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2015-01-01T04:08:58 < upgrdman_> well from a few minutes ago 2015-01-01T04:18:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@174-17-18-165.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-01T04:24:55 < englishman> Heh cool stdink clone 2015-01-01T04:25:01 < englishman> Looks like usbasp 2015-01-01T04:29:07 < Fleck> I have one of those ... dunno how long :D not new! 2015-01-01T04:36:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@174-17-18-165.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T04:37:31 < upgrdman_> englishman: they're like $4 on ebay. work well too. 2015-01-01T04:51:25 < zyp> too cheap to tag-connect 2015-01-01T04:54:20 < englishman> http://ultrakeet.com.au/write-ups/microcontrollers-not-allowed 2015-01-01T04:54:30 < englishman> Come on, tagconnect is $ 2015-01-01T04:56:32 < zyp> didn't stop me :p 2015-01-01T04:58:18 < zyp> cute IC 2015-01-01T04:59:17 < zyp> a bit disappointed that he didn't use a smaller part, flip chip or something and soldered it to the inner ends of the legs instead 2015-01-01T05:44:34 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-01T05:44:57 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T05:49:39 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T05:51:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-01T06:12:58 -!- hjf_ [~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T06:14:25 -!- hjf__ [~hjf@186.138.149.129] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T06:15:08 -!- hjf [~hjf@186.138.149.129] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-01T06:15:13 -!- hjf__ is now known as hjf 2015-01-01T06:15:25 -!- hjf [~hjf@186.138.149.129] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-01T06:15:25 -!- hjf [~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T06:17:12 -!- hjf_ [~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-01T06:23:19 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-01T06:24:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T06:31:01 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-01T06:31:19 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T06:39:56 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-01T06:52:03 -!- Guest98381 [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-01T06:54:38 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T06:59:58 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:29a0:5f8b:7938:f552] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T07:00:05 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:3da3:7083:7c6a:5bd1] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-01T07:01:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@174-17-18-165.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-01T07:16:28 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-01T07:17:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T07:35:46 < upgrdman> just got a straw (tube?) of tssop stm32f0's. so cute. 2015-01-01T08:06:13 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:29a0:5f8b:7938:f552] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-01T08:41:07 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-01T09:50:17 -!- gxti [~gxti@ada.partiallystapled.com] has quit [Quit: Raspberry Heaven, I'm coming back to you!] 2015-01-01T09:53:38 -!- gxti [~gxti@columbia.partiallystapled.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T10:16:19 < dongs> surface bro is pretty cool 2015-01-01T10:16:37 < englishman> which model did you get 2015-01-01T10:16:39 < englishman> with kb? 2015-01-01T10:23:44 < dongs> well i got from pal 2015-01-01T10:23:51 < dongs> i7/256/with shitykeyboard yea 2015-01-01T10:49:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T10:51:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-01T10:51:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2015-01-01T10:56:43 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-01T11:12:36 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:1892:82ca:6331:710e] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T11:51:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@213-67-2-67-no88.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T11:51:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T11:53:37 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-01T11:54:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.98] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T11:55:53 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@h108.175.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 2015-01-01T11:57:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-01T11:58:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T13:18:09 < trepidaciousMBR> dongs: Cool, I just ordered a surface pro 3 too 2015-01-01T13:18:24 < trepidaciousMBR> just the i5 though 2015-01-01T13:20:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@213-67-2-67-no88.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-01T13:42:23 < dongs> it is nice 2015-01-01T13:42:33 < dongs> the charger that comes wiht it is cool, it has USB port for phones/whatever 2015-01-01T13:42:39 < dongs> so you can charge while you charge 2015-01-01T13:42:44 < dongs> innovation 2015-01-01T13:43:50 < Fleck> ;p 2015-01-01T13:45:07 < decimad> It is a multi charger? Wow! 2015-01-01T13:45:59 < dongs> imagine that 2015-01-01T13:47:05 < decimad> Microsoft Electricity 2.0 2015-01-01T13:53:50 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T14:00:20 < dongs> Intel® LAN- Dual interconnect between the Integrated LAN controller and Physical Layer (PHY) 2015-01-01T14:00:23 < dongs> what the fuck is this 2015-01-01T14:01:35 < dongs> i mean its the MII/RMII shit 2015-01-01T14:01:45 < dongs> why hte fuck would it be "dual" 2015-01-01T14:01:46 < dongs> ??? 2015-01-01T14:03:56 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/mBqZMd46.html 2015-01-01T14:03:57 < dongs> lewl 2015-01-01T14:09:13 < PaulFertser> englishman: (uc not allowed) cool guy. 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have googled before asking ;) 2015-01-01T22:46:30 < trepidaciousMBR> oh god, well I hink I've found it 2015-01-01T22:47:04 < trepidaciousMBR> not really sure quite how it happens though 2015-01-01T22:47:55 < trepidaciousMBR> I think LWIP is telling me it read more data than could go in the buffer I gave it 2015-01-01T22:53:19 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-fuiyzusgkinqirak] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-01T22:53:19 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T22:55:25 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T22:59:45 < trepidaciousMBR> Yup, I officially suck ;) On the plus side, that buffer overflow could have been doing weird things in random places for some time. 2015-01-01T23:00:51 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9f0:21ec:57a9:be6f] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-01T23:03:01 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:1892:82ca:6331:710e] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-01T23:07:11 < 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Our application needed 48dBm, so that wouldn't have been a solution. 2015-01-02T00:49:21 < upgrdman> lolwut http://i.imgur.com/ohJE7Xy.jpg do jew really believe the sun orbits earth? 2015-01-02T00:53:53 < Fleck> stop taking serious everything you see on-line 2015-01-02T00:54:41 < upgrdman> Fleck: i dont :) 2015-01-02T00:54:45 < upgrdman> nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSa4_gJ99vw 2015-01-02T00:58:17 < Fleck> R2COM: лол 2015-01-02T01:07:55 < Fleck> R2COM: reminds me this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmeKWDJT-_Q 2015-01-02T01:10:13 < Fleck> and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcL1H8t6qTo 2015-01-02T01:11:19 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T01:11:22 < dymk> hwody 2015-01-02T01:11:26 < dymk> fak 2015-01-02T01:12:20 < dymk> The timers for the stm32f4, how is it exactly that timers/channels work? 2015-01-02T01:12:30 < dymk> whatwith each timer having multiple channels 2015-01-02T01:13:21 < zyp> what timers are you used to that doesn't have multiple channels? 2015-01-02T01:13:59 < dymk> avr timers? 2015-01-02T01:14:16 < zyp> they do indeed have multiple channels 2015-01-02T01:14:19 < dymk> huh 2015-01-02T01:14:35 < zyp> IC1, OC1, OC2 and so on 2015-01-02T01:15:04 < zyp> on STM32 capture and compare functionality is unified and each channel can be configured as either 2015-01-02T01:15:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@host-90-237-97-180.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-02T01:15:49 < zyp> each timer can have up to four channels, which for instance means you can have four pwm outputs from one timer 2015-01-02T01:16:01 < dymk> Hm, I guess I've got to research timers more generally then 2015-01-02T01:16:17 < zyp> what do you want to use the timers for? 2015-01-02T01:16:51 < dymk> PWM out to four pins (so I'm guessing this means four channels on one timer), and then some timers doing pulse counting 2015-01-02T01:17:33 < dymk> more corporeally, driving two wheels forwards/backwards, and tracking decoders attached to each wheel 2015-01-02T01:17:48 < zyp> simple pulses or quadrature? 2015-01-02T01:18:23 < dymk> I'm not familiar with the term, sorry 2015-01-02T01:18:48 < dymk> I'm going to assume simple though; lemme verify that though 2015-01-02T01:19:21 < zyp> quadrature encoders are when you have two pulses 90 degrees out of phase, which means you can tell the difference between the directions 2015-01-02T01:19:30 < zyp> i.e. count both up and down 2015-01-02T01:19:47 < zyp> of course, the timers can do both simple and quadrature 2015-01-02T01:20:20 < zyp> but that is mostly unrelated to the channel stuff, it's using the main counter register for counting 2015-01-02T01:20:56 < dymk> it looks like the motors (faulhaber's) have quadrature encoders 2015-01-02T01:21:19 < zyp> yeah, it's pretty normal when you want to count both directions 2015-01-02T01:23:04 < dymk> Does this mean that each channel can track an indivudual motor? 2015-01-02T01:23:16 < dymk> or does one need a separate timer for each one being tracked 2015-01-02T01:23:53 < zyp> you need a separate timer for each encoder you're counting, since pulse counting happens in the main counter register and not the channel registers 2015-01-02T01:24:28 < zyp> but for pwm out, you can have four separately controllable outputs from one timer 2015-01-02T01:24:37 < zyp> separate pulsewidth, but same period 2015-01-02T01:25:02 < kakeman> some chips have quadrature decoder 2015-01-02T01:25:16 < zyp> kakeman, the stm32 timers also have a quadrature decoder mode 2015-01-02T01:25:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T01:27:10 < dymk> I'm looking at this: https://fmcc.faulhaber.com/resources/img/EN_IEH2-4096_DFF.PDF It looks like they give the pulses that are 90deg out of phase on separate lines, so I guess that won't work? 2015-01-02T01:27:15 < dymk> Or is that what quadrature is? 2015-01-02T01:27:32 < zyp> that is what quadrature is 2015-01-02T01:28:14 < kakeman> what is funny I myself learned today what quadrature is 2015-01-02T01:28:24 < upgrdman> anyone know of a source for something like this, but with nice wire (silicone, very flexible, etc.) http://www.ebay.com/itm/40PCS-Dupont-Wire-Jumper-20CM-Cables-Male-To-Female-New-Type-/201254435945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2edbb2fc69 2015-01-02T01:28:32 < qyx_> lets quadrate some motors 2015-01-02T01:28:32 < zyp> you can also think of it as two-bit gray code, since it gives you a repeating pattern of 00, 01, 11, 10, 00 2015-01-02T01:29:05 < zyp> upgrdman, I don't know, but I might be interested if you find 2015-01-02T01:29:19 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-02T01:31:24 < dymk> TIL about gray codes as well 2015-01-02T01:36:48 < qyx_> speaking of timers & pwm 2015-01-02T01:37:04 < qyx_> any idea how to generate pha shifted 50% duty signals? 2015-01-02T01:37:09 < qyx_> *phase 2015-01-02T01:37:42 < zyp> for what purpose? 2015-01-02T01:37:50 < qyx_> http://powerelectronics.com/site-files/powerelectronics.com/files/archive/powerelectronics.com/images/OLoughlin_F2.jpg 2015-01-02T01:37:54 < qyx_> like this 2015-01-02T01:37:58 < qyx_> fullbridge with zvs 2015-01-02T01:38:45 < zyp> zvs? 2015-01-02T01:38:50 < qyx_> zero voltage switching converter 2015-01-02T01:39:37 < qyx_> the only difference between it and fullbridge converter is in the method of driving the primary swithes 2015-01-02T01:39:56 < qyx_> instead of varying pwm duty cycle, phase shifting with 50% duty is used 2015-01-02T01:40:58 < qyx_> i considered using two timers, they can be gated together to start counting at the same time 2015-01-02T01:41:04 < qyx_> but phase shift meh 2015-01-02T01:41:04 < zyp> and you need to be able to vary the phase? 2015-01-02T01:41:07 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-02T01:41:23 < qyx_> hm, maybe if there was some pwm toggle mode 2015-01-02T01:41:35 < kakeman> use quadrature dds ship 2015-01-02T01:41:39 < kakeman> or such 2015-01-02T01:42:03 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-5f775919.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-02T01:42:09 < zyp> qyx_, I think you might want to use a single-shot timer triggered off one of the channels of another timer 2015-01-02T01:42:33 < zyp> then use the trigger channel to vary the phase 2015-01-02T01:42:56 < qyx_> mhm 2015-01-02T01:45:22 < qyx_> this still means of using two timers, tim1 and tim8 2015-01-02T01:45:28 < qyx_> because dead time generation is required 2015-01-02T01:45:42 < zyp> you need dead time generation too? 2015-01-02T01:45:58 < zyp> why? 2015-01-02T01:46:46 < zyp> you could just use two output channels for each and set them just above/below 50% as appropriate 2015-01-02T01:46:53 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@178.154.87.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-02T01:46:55 < qyx_> wait what 2015-01-02T01:47:00 < zyp> since duty won't vary anyway 2015-01-02T01:47:22 < qyx_> ok, they are not 50%, they are dead-generated-50% 2015-01-02T01:48:51 < zyp> just use center aligned timing and set one channel at 49% and the other at 51% 2015-01-02T01:49:05 < zyp> the latter with inverted polarity 2015-01-02T01:49:24 < qyx_> yes, doable 2015-01-02T01:49:45 < qyx_> i did it once when i needed to drive 9 half bridges on f3xx 2015-01-02T01:49:55 < zyp> heh 2015-01-02T01:49:55 < qyx_> i used tim1, tim8, 3 channels each 2015-01-02T01:50:08 < qyx_> and then tim3 and tim4 combined to give 3 channels with complementaries 2015-01-02T01:54:33 < kakeman> what is use of zero voltage switching? 2015-01-02T01:54:59 < zyp> this all reminds me that I never did anything useful with the stm32 ESC stuff 2015-01-02T01:56:05 < qyx_> ololol they have toggle mode 2015-01-02T01:56:11 < qyx_> on compare match 2015-01-02T01:56:20 < zyp> oh, nice 2015-01-02T01:56:34 < qyx_> so the whole fullbridge can be implemented on single timer 2015-01-02T01:56:47 < qyx_> even two 2015-01-02T01:56:54 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-02T01:57:07 < qyx_> or maybe not, i don't know iw channel4 complementary output exists 2015-01-02T01:58:27 < qyx_> doesn't seem so 2015-01-02T02:03:40 < kakeman> qyx_: wat you doing? 2015-01-02T02:03:55 < qyx_> just thinking 2015-01-02T02:05:53 < zyp> qyx_, which chip? 2015-01-02T02:06:21 < zyp> hmm, F303 doesn't have CH4N 2015-01-02T02:06:56 < zyp> neither does F4 2015-01-02T02:07:03 < qyx_> F030 2015-01-02T02:07:35 < zyp> I guess they decided it's unnecessary, probably intended only for three phase usage or whatever 2015-01-02T02:08:48 < kakeman> you can use .wav wave files as input and output for ltspice 2015-01-02T02:08:55 < kakeman> did you know 2015-01-02T02:09:32 < yan_> i'm using an stm32l1 with a spi device and an i2c device. They don't share any pins. However, if i have both the SPI device task and a I2C device task enabled, the I2c task never gets the BUSY flag cleared. if i disable the spi task, everything runs successfully. They're both on GPIOB. Can I be missing something in terms of initialization for this to happen? 2015-01-02T02:11:00 < zyp> got some code to look at? 2015-01-02T02:11:21 < yan_> zyp: hm, i probably can extract the init functions out.. one sec let me see 2015-01-02T02:14:31 < yan_> zyp: i notice i'm calling rcc_periph_clock_enable() in two places, which i assumed earlier is a nop if it's already enabled.. (via libopencm3) 2015-01-02T02:14:36 < yan_> noticed* 2015-01-02T02:14:56 < yan_> but these are the funcs: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0435ef56ea35f3189167 .. lines 1-32 are for i2c, 35-end are for spi 2015-01-02T02:14:59 < zyp> should be 2015-01-02T02:17:16 < zyp> what's the values of MS5611_PINS and NRF8001_PINS? 2015-01-02T02:17:44 < zyp> also NRF8001_REQN and NRF8001_RST 2015-01-02T02:18:33 < yan_> NRF8001_RST = GPIO10, RDYN = GPIO11, REQN = GPIO12, SCK = GPIO13, MISO = GPIO14, MOSI = GPIO16, PINS = (SCK|REQN|MOSI|MISO) 2015-01-02T02:19:19 < yan_> MS5611_PINS = (GPIO9 | GPIO8) 2015-01-02T02:21:09 < zyp> I hope you mean MOSI = GPIO15 2015-01-02T02:21:18 < yan_> yep, sorry 2015-01-02T02:21:48 < zyp> does the spi code work when enabled? 2015-01-02T02:22:58 < yan_> on its own, yeah. when they're both enabled, a i2c send locks up everything while busy-waiting for I2C_SR2_BUSY flag to be removed 2015-01-02T02:23:33 < yan_> zyp: sometimes however, if i power cycle the dev board, everything works well 2015-01-02T02:23:39 < zyp> which is enabled first, i2c or spi? 2015-01-02T02:23:55 < zyp> have you tried the opposite order? 2015-01-02T02:24:05 < yan_> zyp: not deterministic, the scheduler starts with both tasks queued 2015-01-02T02:24:42 < yan_> zyp: even if SPI starts successfully, i2c still remains blocked 2015-01-02T02:24:45 < zyp> oh 2015-01-02T02:25:12 < zyp> so you're touching stuff like RCC and GPIO registers from multiple threads without any protection? 2015-01-02T02:26:06 < zyp> or do you have well defined task switch points? 2015-01-02T02:26:20 < yan_> zyp: hm. nope, configuring sans mutexes 2015-01-02T02:26:22 < qyx_> try delaying one task 2015-01-02T02:26:43 < yan_> i can try to place all init behind a mutex 2015-01-02T02:26:51 < zyp> well, I don't imagine configuration takes long enough for anything to be preempted, but it's bad practice either way 2015-01-02T02:34:19 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-02T02:34:21 < yan_> if i disable the peripheral clock for I2C, that shouldn't influence SPI on the same bank, right? 2015-01-02T02:35:49 < kakeman> how 90's it is to use logics to offload microcontroller? 2015-01-02T02:41:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-02T02:43:00 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9f0:21ec:57a9:be6f] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T02:45:14 < Fleck> sooo, the q. asked I believe 10000x times :D suggest a descent lib for SSD1289 & Co. displays 2015-01-02T02:45:50 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9f0:21ec:57a9:be6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T02:46:55 < Fleck> *decent 2015-01-02T02:47:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T02:55:08 < kakeman> one day as I asked what standards are being used in mobile phone displays 2015-01-02T02:55:17 < gxti> what makes you think you will get a different answer than the last N-1 times? 2015-01-02T02:55:47 < Fleck> gxti: shoot 2015-01-02T02:56:10 < Fleck> and that's not the point - maybe I did not "see" last answers :D 2015-01-02T02:56:36 < zyp> did you try Tectu's kawaiigfx yet? 2015-01-02T02:56:42 < kakeman> found something called 18bit rgb link and then such thing called mobile pixel link 2015-01-02T02:56:50 < Fleck> yes, 2nd best zyp? 2015-01-02T02:57:05 < zyp> how the fuck would I know? I've never used any? 2015-01-02T02:57:11 < Fleck> :D 2015-01-02T02:57:19 < zyp> and what's wrong with kawaiigfx? 2015-01-02T02:57:28 < Fleck> have my reasons 2015-01-02T02:57:57 < zyp> yes, those are what I'd like to hear 2015-01-02T02:58:13 < zyp> since I don't have any experience with it myself, I mean 2015-01-02T02:58:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-02T02:58:44 -!- rk[ca] is now known as rk[1] 2015-01-02T02:59:23 < Fleck> reasons are personal, will not share! :D I would have to talk bad about other ppl, so, not cool/will not! 2015-01-02T03:00:34 < zyp> ah, so it's all «Tectu is not kawaii enough» 2015-01-02T03:01:06 < Fleck> I did not say that! :p 2015-01-02T03:02:09 < Fleck> but let's say it this way - you wouldn't care about my reasons, cause I am childish idiot! :) 2015-01-02T03:03:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T03:16:11 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2015-01-02T03:17:51 < kakeman> you are not alone with that 2015-01-02T03:19:09 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9f0:21ec:57a9:be6f] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T03:19:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-190-72-30.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-02T03:22:00 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9f0:21ec:57a9:be6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T03:25:25 < varesa> Is there a way to prevent this from happening? http://i.imgur.com/LXLFNQw.png 2015-01-02T03:25:52 < varesa> I think some other IRC client queries online users from my bouncer which floods my buffers in Konversation 2015-01-02T03:26:13 < Fleck> kinda oftopic :D 2015-01-02T03:26:15 < varesa> Can I disable showing those while leaving joins/etc. 2015-01-02T03:26:22 < varesa> Woops :) 2015-01-02T03:26:33 < zyp> sure, don't use a bouncer 2015-01-02T03:26:43 < varesa> I meant to complain in my IRC client channel, took screenshot here :) 2015-01-02T03:26:44 < varesa> sorry 2015-01-02T03:27:52 < Fleck> I use BNC and have no problems, so don't listen to zyp varesa! :D 2015-01-02T03:28:18 < varesa> Fleck: yeah, not really a bouncer issue, just a stupid IRC client I decided to try 2015-01-02T03:28:27 < Fleck> :p 2015-01-02T03:29:51 < Fleck> ok, 3:30AM, bed time! :P take care ppl! 2015-01-02T03:30:29 < varesa> Fleck: It's 3:30AM here, but I'm still working and 200km drive from home :( 2015-01-02T03:30:48 < Fleck> un-lucky you! :) 2015-01-02T03:35:07 -!- emeb [~ericb@174-17-18-165.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T03:44:58 -!- TDog [~chatzilla@67-1-199-81.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-02T03:55:04 < kakeman> is 200km you daily commuting? 2015-01-02T03:57:20 < kakeman> I was just about to say that people around here can easily have 200km commute a day 2015-01-02T03:57:45 < zyp> where is «here»? 2015-01-02T03:57:58 < zyp> and is that 200km round-trip or each direction? 2015-01-02T03:58:24 < kakeman> then I realized varesa is finnish too *high fives* 2015-01-02T03:58:33 < zyp> ah 2015-01-02T03:58:43 < kakeman> most likelly round 2015-01-02T03:59:06 < zyp> well, he said 200km from home 2015-01-02T03:59:59 < kakeman> maybe he has apartment for work in different place and house in different 2015-01-02T04:01:02 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-02T04:01:04 < zyp> then it wouldn't be a daily commute :p 2015-01-02T04:02:15 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-01-02T04:02:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T04:02:23 < zyp> personally I'd be rather reluctant to have a longer commute than 50km or so, and even that isn't very appealing 2015-01-02T04:03:12 < kakeman> the thing for workers here is to drive that corporation van in 5AM in the morning to work place in middle of nowhere 150km from home.. the thing is to keep right feet down on floor 2015-01-02T04:04:31 < kakeman> speed limit may exceed 2015-01-02T04:04:40 < dongs> jadew: was gonna ask about der5000 you bought or were borrowing 2015-01-02T04:05:04 < zyp> my life is too short to spend hours of it every day driving two or from work 2015-01-02T04:05:18 < kakeman> I agree 2015-01-02T04:06:13 < kakeman> guys. your age? 2015-01-02T04:07:45 < zyp> 26 2015-01-02T04:08:00 < kakeman> oldie 2015-01-02T04:08:08 < kakeman> 24 2015-01-02T04:08:57 < kakeman> I can't believe there is more years ahead 2015-01-02T04:10:31 < kakeman> dongs: what's your age? 2015-01-02T04:13:42 < dongs> 13 2015-01-02T04:13:53 < dongs> (but you already knew that)( 2015-01-02T04:14:22 < kakeman> I'm little bit suprised 2015-01-02T04:14:58 < kakeman> I thought it was 18 or under 2015-01-02T04:19:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T04:19:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-02T04:19:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T04:20:34 < ReadError> bloggin hard 2015-01-02T04:24:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T04:25:05 < kakeman> are you trying out your new weapon system? 2015-01-02T04:26:08 < zyp> no invention, only games 2015-01-02T04:26:25 < kakeman> no invention, just entertainment 2015-01-02T04:26:44 < kakeman> can't blame you 2015-01-02T04:27:23 < kakeman> once I watched whole television series between innovation 2015-01-02T04:27:31 < kakeman> it was a bit fail 2015-01-02T04:27:48 < kakeman> got hooked 2015-01-02T04:28:08 < kakeman> storylines of whole seasons 2015-01-02T04:28:32 < ReadError> gilmore girls ? 2015-01-02T04:31:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T04:32:22 < englishman> that game has terrible graphics 2015-01-02T04:32:24 < kakeman> I propably don't watch anything ever again 2015-01-02T04:32:28 < englishman> why is everything grat 2015-01-02T04:32:29 < englishman> gray 2015-01-02T04:32:37 < englishman> how are you supposed to shoot things 2015-01-02T04:34:34 < kakeman> dongs: do you have your own innovation office? 2015-01-02T04:35:07 < kakeman> studio 2015-01-02T04:35:14 < englishman> dojo 2015-01-02T04:35:37 < kakeman> mojo 2015-01-02T04:35:39 < dongs> rite 2015-01-02T04:40:06 < dongs> oh gr8 2015-01-02T04:40:10 < dongs> i cant login to my jap internet banking 2015-01-02T04:40:13 < dongs> cuz its closed for holidays 2015-01-02T04:40:43 < dongs> yeah, i should 2015-01-02T04:41:01 < ReadError> online banking closes lol?? 2015-01-02T04:41:07 < kakeman> japanese don't really get it 2015-01-02T04:41:21 < englishman> do ATMs close too 2015-01-02T04:41:47 < kakeman> but weird stupid things happen all the place 2015-01-02T04:42:32 < kakeman> I bet not 2015-01-02T04:42:51 < dongs> englishman: yes 2015-01-02T04:42:53 < dongs> at 5pm 2015-01-02T04:42:56 < englishman> wow 2015-01-02T04:43:08 < dongs> cuz usually t here's a jap next to atm 2015-01-02T04:43:09 < ReadError> how do japs pull out money for drugs and hookers then 2015-01-02T04:43:10 < dongs> to explain how it works 2015-01-02T04:43:17 < dongs> so when they go hoem, they needto close the machine too 2015-01-02T04:43:22 < ReadError> lol 2015-01-02T04:43:22 < englishman> wat 2015-01-02T04:43:30 < dongs> not trolling 2015-01-02T04:43:33 < englishman> do debit cards work after 5pm 2015-01-02T04:43:40 < dongs> fortunately, yes 2015-01-02T04:43:44 < englishman> like if you wanna buy panties at a vending machine 2015-01-02T04:43:45 < englishman> ok 2015-01-02T04:43:52 < dongs> that works 24h 2015-01-02T04:43:58 < dongs> but vending machiens only take cash 2015-01-02T04:44:01 < ReadError> do they have little men in jap redbox machines? 2015-01-02T04:44:06 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-02T04:44:17 < kakeman> are you doing biz there dongs? 2015-01-02T04:44:22 < englishman> is there a dude standing next to the used panties vending machine explaining how to use it 2015-01-02T04:44:38 < kakeman> or just something weird? 2015-01-02T04:44:52 < englishman> he's a pro dolphin massacre champ 2015-01-02T04:44:53 < ReadError> englishman hes probably the same guy that 'seasons' them 2015-01-02T04:45:16 < kakeman> :D 2015-01-02T04:45:21 < englishman> most dolphin murders 2001-2009 2015-01-02T04:46:18 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-02T04:46:59 < kakeman> they have like law or something for it 2015-01-02T04:52:39 < kakeman> vending machines are standing next to vending machines 2015-01-02T04:53:19 < kakeman> they have mental amounts of vending machines 2015-01-02T04:57:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T04:57:20 < kakeman> damn it's 5AM 2015-01-02T04:57:26 < zyp> good luck findin a vending machine for panties 2015-01-02T04:58:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T04:58:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-02T04:58:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T04:58:35 < zyp> and if you think japanese porn is weird, try watching korean porn 2015-01-02T04:58:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-02T05:00:29 < kakeman> man I would like to visit jap land 2015-01-02T05:00:38 < zyp> so go there 2015-01-02T05:00:56 < kakeman> no moneys 2015-01-02T05:01:22 < zyp> eh, it's not that expensive 2015-01-02T05:01:29 < zyp> and you guys even have finnair 2015-01-02T05:01:56 < zyp> I mean, it should be cheaper for you than it is for me, and I have to fly to helsinki first 2015-01-02T05:02:04 < zyp> since* 2015-01-02T05:02:44 < dongs> zyp, i saw some @ hotel i was staying at 2015-01-02T05:02:47 < dongs> it was prety boring 2015-01-02T05:03:12 < zyp> dongs, used? 2015-01-02T05:03:13 < zyp> :p 2015-01-02T05:03:52 < dongs> zyp, used wat? 2015-01-02T05:03:54 < dongs> hotel? 2015-01-02T05:04:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T05:04:02 < zyp> you saw what? 2015-01-02T05:04:09 < dongs> < zyp> and if you think japanese porn is weird, try watching korean porn 2015-01-02T05:04:24 < zyp> oh, I thought you talked about panties 2015-01-02T05:04:42 < zyp> korean porn is a fucking joke 2015-01-02T05:05:04 < zyp> quite literally 2015-01-02T05:05:59 < zyp> since porn is outlawed in korea 2015-01-02T05:06:02 < upgrdman> do they have rape fetishs like the japs? 2015-01-02T05:06:02 < dongs> haha 2015-01-02T05:06:10 < dongs> speaking of porn outlaw, yeah, i noticed that 2015-01-02T05:06:17 < dongs> i went to some shitty website from hotel 2015-01-02T05:06:25 < zyp> haha, yes 2015-01-02T05:06:26 < dongs> and it popped up a "this is inappproptiate material website' wearning 2015-01-02T05:06:28 < dongs> warning 2015-01-02T05:06:29 < zyp> I remember that 2015-01-02T05:07:41 < upgrdman> are VPNs prohibited in best korea? 2015-01-02T05:08:44 < upgrdman> oops :) s k, then 2015-01-02T05:09:07 < dongs> upgrdman: they are 2015-01-02T05:09:17 < dongs> upgrdman: i have one, and i have to call in and whitelist the IP 2015-01-02T05:09:18 < zyp> so anyway, since porn is outlawed in korea, the only thing you get to see in korean porn is boobs 2015-01-02T05:09:20 < dongs> before it allows connection 2015-01-02T05:09:36 < zyp> dongs, wat? 2015-01-02T05:09:41 < dongs> (im using ipsec, i dunno if thats what tehy block specifically or if they lety some of the higher level oens through) 2015-01-02T05:09:50 < dongs> zyp: ktnet filters ipsec/gre or whatever 2015-01-02T05:09:53 < zyp> I had no issues using openvpn 2015-01-02T05:10:15 < zyp> nor ssh, which can also tunnel data 2015-01-02T05:10:22 < dongs> yeah, im talking proper vpn 2015-01-02T05:10:37 < ReadError> north korea only has 1024 ips 2015-01-02T05:10:39 < ReadError> suckers 2015-01-02T05:10:40 < dongs> openvpn is some connection/tcp based shit 2015-01-02T05:10:51 < zyp> tcp or udp 2015-01-02T05:10:54 < dongs> right 2015-01-02T05:12:06 < dongs> ipsec is https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ipsec.html 2015-01-02T05:12:18 < zyp> does ipsec even work properly through NAT? 2015-01-02T05:12:35 < dongs> no clue, i dont use nat 2015-01-02T05:12:45 < dongs> it probably doesnt, but it doesnt bother me 2015-01-02T05:13:08 < dongs> i have those yamaha rtx things on 3 ends, and they handle it all properly 2015-01-02T05:13:13 < kakeman> dongs: can you get booze from those vending machines? 2015-01-02T05:13:15 < dongs> kr/jp/jp 2015-01-02T05:13:18 < zyp> uh, if you're at a random hotel in korea, you're behind nat :p 2015-01-02T05:13:35 < dongs> zyp, i wouldnt be using it from a hotel anyway 2015-01-02T05:13:40 < dongs> its permanent connection for work stuff. 2015-01-02T05:13:47 < dongs> i dont need to connect to it. 2015-01-02T05:14:00 < zyp> sure 2015-01-02T05:14:02 < dongs> what im saying is by default that stuff is filtered, so i have to call in to allow it on ip-basis 2015-01-02T05:14:18 < zyp> sounds dumb 2015-01-02T05:15:12 < zyp> and yes, I can see ipsec being great for permanent tunnels 2015-01-02T05:15:20 < upgrdman> is it the gov or the hotel being super anal? 2015-01-02T05:16:57 < dongs> it is probably isp or maybe gov, who knows. 2015-01-02T05:17:26 < dongs> it gets fixed after a call/email, so maybe they're just being careful 2015-01-02T05:17:31 < zyp> probably isp 2015-01-02T05:17:47 < dongs> yea 2015-01-02T05:17:58 < zyp> laws blocking ipsec sounds pointless since there's so many other ways to tunnel stuff 2015-01-02T05:18:35 < zyp> ip filter is probably just some «let's keep away anything that's not tcp/udp/icmp» 2015-01-02T05:18:56 < kakeman> in italy we needed to show our passports to be allowed to use internets 2015-01-02T05:19:13 < ReadError> dongs you have to call the korea ISP ? 2015-01-02T05:19:49 < dongs> the endpoint in korea has to call, yeah 2015-01-02T05:20:19 < dongs> call 2015-01-02T05:20:23 < dongs> and blast ganganam style 2015-01-02T05:24:13 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a45c:4247:310c:2f46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T05:24:27 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9f0:21ec:57a9:be6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T05:27:35 < upgrdman> what is the tip of a solder paste syringe called? nozzle? 2015-01-02T05:27:43 < upgrdman> i need to buy some different sizes 2015-01-02T05:29:28 < kakeman> needle 2015-01-02T05:29:34 < kakeman> `? 2015-01-02T05:32:51 < upgrdman> well i need to ebay some. i dont think searching for a needle is going to net me what im looking for :) 2015-01-02T05:33:44 < upgrdman> o nm. "syringe tip" worked. lol 2015-01-02T05:33:45 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dispensing-Syringe-Tip-Assortment-9-pc-sampler-kit-/230838562223?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bf0cedaf 2015-01-02T05:35:00 < upgrdman> lolwut http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELUXE-EAR-WAX-REMOVER-REMOVAL-SYRINGE-CLEAN-EARS-SAFELY-COLOR-CODED-TIPS-/171625817016?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f5b223b8 2015-01-02T05:42:50 < upgrdman> anyone tried something like these tips? seems like it might be easier to dispense solder since only the end, not an entire tube, is narrow. http://www.ebay.com/itm/60-x-TT-Blunt-Glue-Liquid-Dispenser-Dispensing-Needle-Plastic-Tapered-Tips-/310925632142?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48649ca28e 2015-01-02T05:43:15 < kakeman> I need that ear thing 2015-01-02T05:43:22 < upgrdman> srsly 2015-01-02T05:43:37 < kakeman> it looks like it would give me eargasm 2015-01-02T05:44:13 < upgrdman> lol 2015-01-02T05:44:24 < zyp> upgrdman, being plastic, the tip is thicker for the same hole size, so I imagine you'd lose precision 2015-01-02T05:44:31 < kakeman> actully some animal with long but narrow tongue would do better 2015-01-02T05:44:35 < zyp> i.e. the material around the hole is thicker 2015-01-02T05:44:40 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-02T05:44:48 < upgrdman> zyp: mmmm good point 2015-01-02T05:44:59 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T05:45:07 < upgrdman> this is dirt cheap http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMT-SMD-PCB-Solder-Paste-Adhesive-Glue-Liquid-Dispenser-Dispensing-Needle-50pcs-/371105848734?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5667a1dd9e 2015-01-02T05:45:18 < kakeman> man I got to sleep 2015-01-02T05:45:28 < kakeman> 5:45 2015-01-02T05:45:36 < kakeman> gut nite 2015-01-02T05:46:20 < zyp> so why are you dicking around with that shit anyway? too cheap for stencils? 2015-01-02T05:46:37 < zyp> do you really save much time using paste when you're applying it manually? 2015-01-02T05:46:56 < upgrdman> well i have never made more than 10 of an item, so stencils dont seem cost effective 2015-01-02T05:47:08 < zyp> heh 2015-01-02T05:47:10 < upgrdman> i do lots of pet projects, etc. 2015-01-02T05:47:37 < zyp> I've used stencils for one offs 2015-01-02T05:48:20 < zyp> but that's not what I asked about, I'm thinking more wouldn't it be faster to just hand solder everything instead of using paste? 2015-01-02T05:48:21 < upgrdman> how much do you pay for the stencil? 2015-01-02T05:48:28 < zyp> if you need to touch every single point anyway? 2015-01-02T05:48:52 < zyp> depends how badly I want it 2015-01-02T05:48:56 < upgrdman> not really. often need three hands. iron + wire solder + tweezer 2015-01-02T05:49:54 < zyp> eh, not if you need to touch every single point anyway 2015-01-02T05:51:05 < zyp> exactly, and you have to do that if you're applying paste by hand too 2015-01-02T05:51:43 < upgrdman> ya i use oven or hot air 2015-01-02T05:51:54 < zyp> if you're applying paste with a syringe, you still have to touch every single fucking point with it 2015-01-02T05:52:36 < zyp> see, that's what I'm arguing 2015-01-02T05:55:49 < upgrdman> toothpick works well for you? 2015-01-02T05:56:02 < upgrdman> guess i could try squirting out a load and toothpicking a pcb 2015-01-02T05:56:21 < zyp> I've tried that, didn't get the paste to stick where it should 2015-01-02T05:57:12 < zyp> yeah, I'm only using paste with stencils 2015-01-02T05:57:33 < zyp> razor? 2015-01-02T05:57:46 < zyp> uh 2015-01-02T05:59:23 < ds2> does the razor stick to the paste so it pulls it out of some pads? 2015-01-02T05:59:38 < zyp> shouldn't 2015-01-02T06:08:35 < dongs> i use http://transitionautomation.com/hand.html 2015-01-02T06:08:37 < dongs> they are amaze 2015-01-02T06:09:04 < dongs> http://transitionautomation.com/pop-hand.html 2015-01-02T06:09:18 < dongs> R2COM: you should use them, the one i got was liek $200 2015-01-02T06:09:22 < dongs> yes 2015-01-02T06:09:27 < dongs> thats what stencils should be??? 2015-01-02T06:10:02 < dongs> aids 2015-01-02T06:10:08 < dongs> good luck doing 0.5mm pitch bga with that 2015-01-02T06:10:53 < dongs> you didnt say it worked 2015-01-02T06:16:42 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@h108.175.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T06:18:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T06:21:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T06:23:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T06:25:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T06:28:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T06:33:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T06:34:12 < zyp> hey dongs, can you get me a quote for the old kind of wires at the new place? 2015-01-02T06:35:24 < zyp> I think I'm low/out, but I won't know until I've had a chance to count them next week 2015-01-02T06:36:00 < dongs> yes 2015-01-02T06:36:11 < dongs> do you have apic 2015-01-02T06:36:14 < dongs> that would help 2015-01-02T06:36:21 < zyp> I think you mailed me once 2015-01-02T06:36:27 < dongs> hmm 2015-01-02T06:39:03 < zyp> yeah, you mailed me some pics from the wire place 11feb last year, do you still have them or should I mail you back? 2015-01-02T06:39:46 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/4xcC1.png <- and then there's this shitty mspaint drawing for colors 2015-01-02T06:44:25 < zyp> also, I still owe you for the small stuff/parts/etc… you should tell me how much you want 2015-01-02T06:47:30 < dongs> zyp: mail me back all the tuff 2015-01-02T06:47:32 < dongs> i need to head out 2015-01-02T06:47:35 < dongs> ill forward to chinagirl 2015-01-02T06:47:44 < dongs> color drawing + spec + etc 2015-01-02T06:47:49 < dongs> wire awg also 2015-01-02T06:47:53 < dongs> so i dont have to remember/guess anythign 2015-01-02T06:48:12 < dongs> bbl 2015-01-02T07:02:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T07:07:19 < ReadError> dongs http://i.snag.gy/q7QD4.jpg 2015-01-02T07:07:25 < ReadError> modified that st shit to a 3way 2015-01-02T07:16:40 < jadew> dongs, it was present from my wife 2015-01-02T07:17:07 < jadew> (I asked for it) :P 2015-01-02T07:18:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-02T07:18:22 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T07:19:05 < emeb_mac> w00t - got my Waveshare goodies today. 2015-01-02T07:19:18 < jadew> what did you get? 2015-01-02T07:19:51 < emeb_mac> ethernet PHY interface and breakout board for F407 Disco 2015-01-02T07:20:22 < jadew> nice, I think I have an ethernet PHY interface from them too 2015-01-02T07:20:46 < jadew> I got a breakout board for a spartan 3 from them and it came with a bunch of other goodies 2015-01-02T07:21:08 < emeb_mac> ethernet and DCIM are the last F40x peripherals I haven't tried out 2015-01-02T07:21:42 < emeb_mac> I saw that they had some FPGA stuff. Got plenty of that already tho 2015-01-02T07:22:50 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night 2015-01-02T07:23:08 < emeb_mac> gn 2015-01-02T07:29:21 < zyp> emeb_mac, only ethernet and DCIM? sounds like you're further along than me then 2015-01-02T07:30:05 < emeb_mac> zyp: ah - forgot about CAN 2015-01-02T07:31:08 < Vutral> hum ? 2015-01-02T07:31:34 < emeb_mac> but have used gpio/uart/spi/adc/dac/i2s/i2c/sdio/fsmc/fmc/crc/random/usb(host/device) 2015-01-02T07:31:54 < Vutral> can is funny 2015-01-02T07:32:01 < Vutral> because of the crystal selections 2015-01-02T07:32:01 < Vutral> lol 2015-01-02T07:32:01 < Vutral> and possible bitrates *g* 2015-01-02T07:32:29 < zyp> not really? 2015-01-02T07:32:45 < zyp> I didn't remember that was any sort of issue when I used CAN 2015-01-02T07:33:00 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-02T07:33:20 < zyp> rev 6 of RM0090 appears to claim that F407 has crypto 2015-01-02T07:37:01 < Vutral> eh sure 2015-01-02T07:37:11 < Vutral> the bus onyl works if you hit the right bitrate with a small error 2015-01-02T07:37:16 < Vutral> ^^ 2015-01-02T07:37:20 < Vutral> at least reliable 2015-01-02T07:37:53 < zyp> of course it does, all async buses are like that 2015-01-02T07:38:14 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:2961:c1c0:adf8:1ede] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T07:38:46 < ds2> hmmm 2015-01-02T07:39:13 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a45c:4247:310c:2f46] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T07:39:52 < emeb_mac> huh - thought the crypto was in the 41x parts 2015-01-02T07:40:06 < zyp> actually, since CAN has a well defined sample point and resynch scheme, it's probably better than plain serial to deal with bitrate differences 2015-01-02T07:40:14 < zyp> emeb_mac, yeah, I'm guessing it's a typo 2015-01-02T07:41:01 < ds2> doesn't CAN use the same tricks as LIN to allow for sloppier timing? 2015-01-02T07:41:32 < zyp> emeb_mac, I bet they messed up when adding F42x/F43x 2015-01-02T07:41:52 < upgrdman> lol. the stm32f0xx.c file im using seems to cause a fault and drops me into an infinite loop when using the stm32f030. wonder if this version was written before the little tssop f0's came out. 2015-01-02T07:41:53 < zyp> ah, yeah 2015-01-02T07:42:00 < zyp> it's fixed in rev8 2015-01-02T07:42:24 < zyp> «Removed STM32F405/407xx and STM32F42xx from the whole sections.» 2015-01-02T07:42:47 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-01-02T07:42:53 < upgrdman> what package does stm32f0xx.c come in? stmcube? 2015-01-02T07:42:55 < emeb_mac> gotta keep up with those revs 2015-01-02T07:44:59 < emeb_mac> looks like CAN bitrate tolerance is a function of bitrate and bus length 2015-01-02T07:54:05 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-02T07:58:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-02T08:21:36 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T08:22:48 < upgrdman> any idea why this could happen when stepping through code? seems like the |= line causes it? http://pastebin.com/P6zvdsWA 2015-01-02T08:23:07 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-02T08:28:26 < zyp> it's probably using aliased vectors, so that's probably the generic handler, which means that might be a hardfault 2015-01-02T08:28:36 < zyp> check the value of ipsr 2015-01-02T08:29:00 < zyp> info registers, ipsr is lower bits of cpsr 2015-01-02T08:30:05 < upgrdman> pc 0x800076c 0x800076c 2015-01-02T08:30:05 < upgrdman> xPSR 0x21000003 553648131 2015-01-02T08:30:15 < zyp> yep, that's hardfault 2015-01-02T08:30:31 < zyp> ipsr is 3, and 3 is hardfault 2015-01-02T08:30:48 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-02T08:31:14 < zyp> next check CFSR 2015-01-02T08:31:34 < upgrdman> dont know how 2015-01-02T08:31:40 < zyp> somebody here can probably give you a link to the gdb macros to help decode that 2015-01-02T08:31:51 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-02T08:32:10 < zyp> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb 2015-01-02T08:32:31 < upgrdman> would stm have changes the register layout between the f051 and f030? 2015-01-02T08:33:06 < zyp> possible 2015-01-02T08:33:18 < zyp> I don't have experience with either so I don't know 2015-01-02T08:33:43 < upgrdman> (gdb) print *(unsigned *)0xe000ed28 2015-01-02T08:33:43 < upgrdman> $3 = 0 2015-01-02T08:34:22 < zyp> oh, wait 2015-01-02T08:34:31 < zyp> cortex-m0 dosn't have CFSR 2015-01-02T08:34:41 < zyp> sucks to be you, I guess 2015-01-02T08:34:44 < upgrdman> :) 2015-01-02T08:35:08 < jpa-> use display /i $pc and stepi to see which instruction it crashes on 2015-01-02T08:35:15 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-02T08:35:29 < zyp> stepping by source lines is pretty useless 2015-01-02T08:37:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T08:37:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-02T08:47:13 < upgrdman> zyp: http://pastebin.com/cehx0jFQ 2015-01-02T08:47:43 < dongs> zyp, ok forwarded. stuff is in process 2015-01-02T08:47:50 < dongs> jadew: nice 2015-01-02T08:49:35 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:2961:c1c0:adf8:1ede] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T08:51:38 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:2961:c1c0:adf8:1ede] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T08:58:03 < zyp> upgrdman, you're faulting at the push so I guess your stack pointer is invalid 2015-01-02T08:58:22 < zyp> perhaps assuming a larger sram and pointing outside what actually exists 2015-01-02T08:59:00 < upgrdman> hmm. maybe the linker script then. ok, will poke around. thanks. 2015-01-02T08:59:26 < zyp> though, it's kinda surprising you're actually entering the hardfault handler at that point, I thought it'd just go into lockup 2015-01-02T08:59:47 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-02T09:00:48 < zyp> unless, of course, it's psp that's active and invalid 2015-01-02T09:06:43 < jpa-> looking at 'info registers' and seeing if the sp is invalid would be a reasonable first step 2015-01-02T09:06:53 < upgrdman> LOL.... fixed it. im an idiot. 2015-01-02T09:07:20 < upgrdman> editing my linker script to reflect the new FLASH and RAM sizes. didn't update _estack value. *walk of shame* 2015-01-02T09:07:29 < upgrdman> s/editing/edited 2015-01-02T09:07:39 < zyp> why isn't the _estack value calculated? 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2015-01-02T15:24:38 < Robint91> I can't get to the lowest state 2015-01-02T15:24:59 < Robint91> currently hanging at 5uA should be around 1.5uA 2015-01-02T15:30:29 < jpa-> do you have a regulator or something that might be taking it? 2015-01-02T15:30:39 < jpa-> pull-up resistors can also take surprising amount of current 2015-01-02T15:31:22 < jpa-> some types of electrolytic or tantalum capacitors can also have 1µA of leakage 2015-01-02T15:34:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T15:47:03 < Robint91> jpa-, cr2032 battery directly to vdd to the stm32 2015-01-02T15:47:50 < jpa-> remember to also disconnect the SWD cable 2015-01-02T15:47:56 < Robint91> did that 2015-01-02T15:48:08 < jpa-> hmm 2015-01-02T15:48:09 < qyx_> vbat divider disabled? 2015-01-02T15:48:22 < jpa-> have you configured pull-up/pull-down on all unconnected pins? 2015-01-02T15:48:33 < Robint91> analog inputs 2015-01-02T15:48:37 < Robint91> digital off 2015-01-02T15:48:48 < jpa-> it has analog input option for every pin? ok. 2015-01-02T15:50:18 < Robint91> qyx_, I think so, yes 2015-01-02T15:59:56 < jpa-> wtf is this raisonance doing.. never seen any C project build this slow 2015-01-02T16:00:18 < jpa-> though it is gcc on windows.. maybe they've built it with cygwin or something stupid 2015-01-02T16:01:14 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T16:01:59 < Robint91> raisonance juk 2015-01-02T16:02:35 < dongs> sup innovators 2015-01-02T16:02:48 < Robint91> something else, did anybody here used stm32 with hw encrypt/hash 2015-01-02T16:03:36 < dongs> did they release win8-capable ISE yet 2015-01-02T16:03:45 < jpa-> Tectu: luls, i recommended ugfx for a work project today 2015-01-02T16:03:46 < Robint91> it works on win8 2015-01-02T16:03:50 < dongs> it d oesnt 2015-01-02T16:03:58 < Tectu> jpa-, thank you very much 2015-01-02T16:04:00 < Tectu> jpa-, how comes? 2015-01-02T16:04:06 < Robint91> dongs, it does on my surface pro 3 2015-01-02T16:04:12 < jpa-> Tectu: my boss was very confused by the big red texts on the licensing page, i said "that's only for some open source hippies" 2015-01-02T16:04:20 < Steffanx> haha 2015-01-02T16:04:26 < Tectu> jpa-, thanks :D 2015-01-02T16:04:27 < jpa-> Tectu: it happened to be the only sane mcu graphics library i know 2015-01-02T16:04:33 < Tectu> jpa-, you can also recommend him watching brand new video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ABa9345O4s 2015-01-02T16:04:43 < Tectu> jpa-, glad to hear that 2015-01-02T16:04:45 < dongs> Robint91: youre full of shit. which version did you install? 2015-01-02T16:05:05 < jpa-> though maybe on monday i'll recommend that they do everything on server-side and forget ugfx ;) 2015-01-02T16:05:08 < Robint91> dongs, latest 2015-01-02T16:05:21 < Robint91> dongs, in theory everyone is full of shit 2015-01-02T16:05:22 < dongs> 14.7 ? 2015-01-02T16:05:24 < Tectu> jpa-, ugfx support remote displays with server & client crap ;) 2015-01-02T16:05:28 < Robint91> yep 2015-01-02T16:05:37 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T16:05:37 < dongs> what "works" 2015-01-02T16:05:40 < Tectu> jpa-, anyway, I'd prefer if you wouldn't recommend not using uGFX :P 2015-01-02T16:05:42 < dongs> have you done beyond like, starting ise.exe 2015-01-02T16:05:50 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T16:05:53 < jpa-> Tectu: we'll see how it turns out :P 2015-01-02T16:06:04 < Robint91> dongs, starting ise, synth project, mapping, flashing 2015-01-02T16:06:11 < jpa-> Tectu: they've already written their own cute font routines :) 2015-01-02T16:06:13 < dongs> floorplanner worked? 2015-01-02T16:06:17 < Robint91> yep 2015-01-02T16:06:23 < Robint91> dongs, which part? 2015-01-02T16:06:27 < dongs> any 2015-01-02T16:06:29 < dongs> like starting it 2015-01-02T16:06:32 < dongs> none of that shit worked 2015-01-02T16:06:37 < Robint91> dongs, I only tested, artix 7/coolrunner2 2015-01-02T16:06:40 < dongs> did you install 32 or 64butt version 2015-01-02T16:06:49 < Tectu> jpa-, they can either replace the uGFX font stuff with their stuff or use the "external acceleration" feature for it 2015-01-02T16:06:54 < Robint91> 64bit 2015-01-02T16:07:33 < Laurenceb_> isis.exe 2015-01-02T16:08:56 < jpa-> Tectu: luls no way, it is "cute" as in "naive" 2015-01-02T16:09:07 < jpa-> blocky fonts because they couldn't fit more in flash 2015-01-02T16:09:27 < Robint91> dongs, but I remember that you need to do some fixes 2015-01-02T16:09:38 < Tectu> jpa-, you can tell them that the font stuff is the most awesome thing in uGFX ;-) 2015-01-02T16:09:45 < Tectu> jpa-, really, mcufont is awesome. 2015-01-02T16:09:59 < dongs> Robint91: oh, here comes the FUCKING CATCH 2015-01-02T16:10:06 < dongs> Robint91: i "did" those "fixes" none of the shit workeds. 2015-01-02T16:10:12 < Robint91> dongs, http://forums.xilinx.com/t5/Installation-and-Licensing/ISE-WebPack-14-7-install-on-Windows-8-1-giving-pn-exe/td-p/510515 2015-01-02T16:10:15 < dongs> also god damn FUCK XILINX FOR REQUIRING BULLSHIT REGISTRATION TO DOWNLOAD TRASH 2015-01-02T16:10:19 < Robint91> Rename libPortability.dll to libPortability.dll.orig, and copy libPortabilityNOSH.dll to libPortability.dll. 2015-01-02T16:10:20 < jpa-> Tectu: if i tell that they may just take mcufont and leave ugfx... except they need rounded rectangles also 2015-01-02T16:10:26 < dongs> yeah, i did that 2015-01-02T16:10:27 < dongs> that didnt fix shit. 2015-01-02T16:10:30 < dongs> it broke even more shit. 2015-01-02T16:10:36 < jpa-> basically the needs: 1. text 2. rounded rectangles 3. bitmaps 2015-01-02T16:10:53 < Tectu> jpa-, just go ugfx .__. 2015-01-02T16:11:11 < Robint91> dongs, works for me 2015-01-02T16:11:14 < dongs> 4. lawsuit from apple for rounded rectangles 2015-01-02T16:11:18 < Robint91> dongs, vivado? 2015-01-02T16:11:30 < dongs> Robint91: vivado doesnt support anything useful 2015-01-02T16:11:33 < Robint91> or are you use old dated shait? 2015-01-02T16:11:34 < dongs> like spartan6 2015-01-02T16:11:40 < Robint91> artix 7 bro 2015-01-02T16:11:48 < dongs> yes, i.e. shit noone cares 2015-01-02T16:11:53 < dongs> vivado doesnt support coolrunner either 2015-01-02T16:11:55 < dongs> watcha smoking 2015-01-02T16:12:20 < Robint91> just get a win 7 vm running 2015-01-02T16:12:30 < dongs> did that 2015-01-02T16:12:32 < dongs> too much work 2015-01-02T16:12:43 < dongs> plus cant take it wiht me on my surface 2015-01-02T16:12:50 < jpa-> Tectu: yeah, i said you won't charge much 2015-01-02T16:12:57 < Robint91> do you have also a pro 3? 2015-01-02T16:13:12 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-02T16:13:20 < Robint91> niace 2015-01-02T16:13:38 < jpa-> Tectu: though probably 1000 eur is still "not much" for them :P 2015-01-02T16:13:53 < Tectu> jpa-, I'd say so 2015-01-02T16:14:11 < Tectu> jpa-, are they planing to do a lot or just a couple of devices? 2015-01-02T16:14:37 < jpa-> i think it'll be in 10k units/year range if it succeeds, but it is still on proto stage 2015-01-02T16:14:47 < Tectu> jpa-, cool 2015-01-02T16:15:22 < Steffanx> hmm what 10k units/year product would only need text, rounded rectangles and bitmaps? 2015-01-02T16:15:31 < Tectu> dongs ultra dong 2015-01-02T16:15:40 < Tectu> probably it needs gfxVibrate() 2015-01-02T16:15:59 < jpa-> Steffanx: pretty many such products :P 2015-01-02T16:16:06 < Tectu> :D 2015-01-02T16:16:11 < Steffanx> it at least needs a buttons with gradients 2015-01-02T16:16:37 < Steffanx> ( i assume those text/rectangles are buttons) 2015-01-02T16:16:46 < jpa-> perhaps, but that is not required.. maybe when they see ugfx studio they'll be "moar gradients!!1" 2015-01-02T16:16:58 < jpa-> it has no touch screen so nope 2015-01-02T16:21:14 < Tectu> I imagine that a dildo with a trouchscreen would be rather impractical anyway 2015-01-02T16:21:58 < Tectu> unless it has multi-touch with some advanced gesture recognizion 2015-01-02T16:22:17 < ReadError> i thought it was controlled with a cell phone 2015-01-02T16:23:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T16:26:50 < dongs> im gonna download 14.7 from some fucking romanian site because xilinx are cunts. i ahve 14.6 ISO but i suspect that will work even less on win8 2015-01-02T16:27:39 < dongs> lol 20k/sec. fcccccc 2015-01-02T16:29:59 < Steffanx> That's still faster than your most favourite waveshare.. 2015-01-02T16:30:06 < dongs> lolz 2015-01-02T16:31:19 < dongs> 1meg/sec using 8 connections, hopefully the .ro site won't ban me for leeching 2015-01-02T16:31:31 < dongs> poor jadew probly has no bandwidth left 2015-01-02T16:32:27 < Steffanx> Download Accelerator Plus installed itself on your pc? 2015-01-02T16:32:41 < dongs> with ask.com toolbar, sir 2015-01-02T16:32:52 < englishman> dongs: i can confirm 14.7 doesnt work 2015-01-02T16:33:00 < dongs> i know it fucking doenst 2015-01-02T16:33:15 < dongs> beacuse last time i installed it, i had to format my pc 2015-01-02T16:33:22 < englishman> gotta "fix" software from billion dollar company cuz they dont use win8, fucking fail 2015-01-02T16:33:22 < dongs> because xilinx installed their shit EVERYWEHRE 2015-01-02T16:33:38 < dongs> wiht 3 copies of jvm 2015-01-02T16:33:48 < englishman> jvm r u srs 2015-01-02T16:34:00 < englishman> why does everyone want to install java malware 2015-01-02T16:34:01 < dongs> just search xilinx install dir for javaw.exe 2015-01-02T16:34:07 < dongs> its in there like 20 times 2015-01-02T16:34:32 < englishman> whats even the point of java for windows-only software 2015-01-02T16:34:42 < Steffanx> is it windowso nly? 2015-01-02T16:34:54 < englishman> more like windows barely 2015-01-02T16:35:24 < Steffanx> You better run lunix. 2015-01-02T16:35:27 < dongs> its "crossplatform" 2015-01-02T16:35:41 < dongs> which actually means "sucks on all platforms it 'suports'" 2015-01-02T16:35:49 < englishman> windows 7 AND win 7 pro 2015-01-02T16:37:13 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T16:38:17 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T16:48:01 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/ElderlyGreenFlicker retweet 2015-01-02T16:48:21 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6V2yL_IMAEaNwJ.jpg:large LOL 2015-01-02T16:56:27 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T17:04:24 < Fleck> looks like minecraft 2015-01-02T17:04:38 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ac3dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-02T17:06:33 < Robint91> does the stm32 with crypto have fancy export stuff to the US/ASIA? 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2015-01-02T17:35:16 < Laurenceb_> say i have some tronics enclosure on a table, i can photo it on a white background the crop out the background, but that looks a bit lame 2015-01-02T17:35:36 < Laurenceb_> i want to grab the shadow from under the enclosure then blend off the white 2015-01-02T17:35:39 < Laurenceb_> any ideas how? 2015-01-02T17:41:45 < ReadError> i think you take the photo in a lightbox 2015-01-02T17:42:50 < Robint91> dongs, http://www.j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ 2015-01-02T17:44:12 < dongs> Robint91: whats that for? 2015-01-02T17:44:19 < dongs> you will need to spray entire romanian internet with it 2015-01-02T17:44:22 < Robint91> fixing your download 2015-01-02T17:44:28 < dongs> thats not MY end problem 2015-01-02T17:44:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6BKqHpJ.jpg my internets is ok-ish 2015-01-02T17:45:11 < Robint91> dongs, really? 2015-01-02T17:45:19 < Robint91> a picture 2015-01-02T17:45:22 < Robint91> no screenshot 2015-01-02T17:45:37 < Robint91> also your screen looks dirty 2015-01-02T17:48:36 < dongs> it is 2015-01-02T17:48:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-02T17:49:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T17:51:09 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-02T17:51:47 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T17:54:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T17:56:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-02T18:03:40 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T18:04:05 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T18:09:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@m77-218-251-147.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T18:11:08 < dongs> jadew can start chatting soon, ISE download almost done 2015-01-02T18:13:30 < zyp> heh 2015-01-02T18:14:59 < englishman> did anyone call the number 2015-01-02T18:16:05 < zyp> dongs, ISE is so AIDS that I didn't even want it on my pc 2015-01-02T18:16:13 < zyp> so I set up a dedicated VM for it 2015-01-02T18:16:29 < englishman> lol i had to anyway 2015-01-02T18:16:37 < englishman> cuz ise14 doesnt support the chip i had 2015-01-02T18:16:45 < englishman> and ise10 doesnt support newer than winxp 2015-01-02T18:16:55 < dongs> lolz 2015-01-02T18:17:09 < dongs> and jewvaldo doesnt support anything below $700 altrix trash 2015-01-02T18:17:09 < zyp> wat 2015-01-02T18:17:33 < dongs> zyp, i bet it was xc95 or someshit 2015-01-02T18:17:38 < dongs> tho i think ise14 might still support that 2015-01-02T18:17:43 < zyp> yeah, it does 2015-01-02T18:18:02 < zyp> I used whatever ISE was newest at the time when I was dicking around with my quadrotor board 2015-01-02T18:18:12 < dongs> but that was xc64 2015-01-02T18:18:19 < zyp> no 2015-01-02T18:18:21 < dongs> im talkin about ancient xc95 stuff in plcc 2015-01-02T18:18:36 < dongs> your pld was XC9500? 2015-01-02T18:18:45 < zyp> xc9536xl 2015-01-02T18:18:50 < dongs> wowzer 2015-01-02T18:18:55 < zyp> xl being the newer 3.3V variant 2015-01-02T18:20:46 < dongs> 8358978719 bytes transferred in 6524 seconds (1.22M/s) 2015-01-02T18:23:15 < jadew> dongs, sorry, couldn't reply - the internet stopped for a while 2015-01-02T18:23:21 < dongs> thought so 2015-01-02T18:26:10 < dongs> allright time to get stoned 2015-01-02T18:26:11 < dongs> bbl 2015-01-02T18:31:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-02T18:36:57 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:31b3:dcbc:a8b9:77d7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T18:38:57 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:1e9:63e:5a50:ba9f] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T18:39:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T18:52:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T18:52:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-02T18:59:36 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ac3dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-02T19:02:29 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T19:04:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-02T19:05:08 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T19:12:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ac3dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T19:19:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T19:21:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.127.4] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T19:43:14 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T19:46:49 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: Gone..] 2015-01-02T19:47:51 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T19:55:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@m77-218-251-147.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-02T20:02:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-59f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:02:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-02T20:05:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/wm7v3sX.jpg 2015-01-02T20:05:53 < Laurenceb_> pro shadowz 2015-01-02T20:08:00 < BrainDamage> i'm curious as to when Laurenceb_ will replace the gas in his project with sarin 2015-01-02T20:10:18 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-01-02T20:10:39 * Laurenceb_ is writing use manual for the LabView interface 2015-01-02T20:10:42 < Laurenceb_> *user 2015-01-02T20:11:58 < inca> Laurenceb_: what does it do? 2015-01-02T20:12:52 < Laurenceb_> its a datalogger... thing 2015-01-02T20:13:08 < inca> and btw, technically it's LabVIEW ;) 2015-01-02T20:13:49 < inca> datalogger for chem? 2015-01-02T20:13:51 < Laurenceb_> EGC/EMG/PPG/NIRS/Blood pressure/Temperature/Inertial sensors etc 2015-01-02T20:13:57 < Laurenceb_> medical stuff 2015-01-02T20:13:58 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-110.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:14:04 < inca> ah, bio stuff... cool! 2015-01-02T20:14:53 < Laurenceb_> kind of a bit like this, http://hackaday.com/2014/06/11/thp-entry-the-improved-open-source-tricorder/ 2015-01-02T20:15:00 < Laurenceb_> only better and without stupid hype 2015-01-02T20:16:42 < inca> if things would succeed only by their merits... 2015-01-02T20:18:33 < Robint91> anybody know a ldo (only 25mA) that can work until 36V 2015-01-02T20:18:38 < Robint91> it needs to be small 2015-01-02T20:19:36 < zyp> to which voltage? 2015-01-02T20:20:56 < zyp> for low voltages you're talking of almost 1W dissipated 2015-01-02T20:22:51 < qyx_> also switchers for such high voltages are not small and need larger value inductor 2015-01-02T20:25:36 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:26:01 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:26:17 < Robint91> 5Volt 2015-01-02T20:26:31 < qyx_> lm2936 could fit probably 2015-01-02T20:26:54 < Robint91> I need to only power a pic16f1709 (2mA max) but I want some headroom 2015-01-02T20:30:00 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.132.120] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:33:16 -!- R0b0t1` [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T20:48:58 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-59f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:48:58 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-59f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-02T20:49:06 -!- R0b0t1` [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:53:24 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T20:54:57 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-02T20:57:31 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T21:09:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-23-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T21:18:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-23-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-02T21:23:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-23-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T21:30:47 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-02T21:37:26 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-02T21:39:44 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T21:50:11 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-02T21:56:29 < KreAture> hey guys 2015-01-02T21:56:39 < KreAture> Happy New Year! 2015-01-02T21:56:55 < KreAture> I finally got my chip to stop hardfaulting at odd times 2015-01-02T21:57:15 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T21:57:17 < KreAture> I changed my flash latency to 7 instead of 5 for the 168MHz clock I run 2015-01-02T21:57:32 < KreAture> I think my chip is the first gen silicon 2015-01-02T21:57:59 < KreAture> Seems like even the last gen has a tonn of errata... Man, next time I check errata before I decide on a chip for a design. 2015-01-02T21:58:13 < KreAture> STM32F407 is errata hell 2015-01-02T21:58:15 < KreAture> lol 2015-01-02T22:00:41 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-02T22:02:04 < Simon--> nice 2015-01-02T22:02:16 < Simon--> I found some mismatching docs about that, iirc 2015-01-02T22:02:32 < Simon--> doesn't help that they have too many names for the same clocks 2015-01-02T22:06:46 < jadew> KreAture, I agree 2015-01-02T22:07:08 < jadew> my jaw dropped when I saw the errata for the 407 2015-01-02T22:07:11 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-02T22:07:16 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T22:08:05 < Getty> thats awkward, going back to my problem where a value only works out if i add "random code" in between... the funny part is, it works already proper "before" the random code runs, so it feels that it cant be a timing issue 2015-01-02T22:08:18 < Getty> but i do have to add this random, not doing anything code, to get a proper result.. this is madness 8-) 2015-01-02T22:09:01 < jadew> Getty, does it have to do with register? or is that value a simple variable? 2015-01-02T22:09:11 < jadew> *registers 2015-01-02T22:09:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-23-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-02T22:09:25 < KreAture> jadew now I have my usb code handling random data transfers at 256k to the stm32 2015-01-02T22:09:34 < KreAture> jadew it doesn't seem to be able to go faster though ??? 2015-01-02T22:09:50 < Getty> it is involving reading files, but all steps are like blocking, no direct registers or anything 2015-01-02T22:09:55 < KreAture> running bulk transafer 2015-01-02T22:10:15 < Getty> reading one file, actually, but the code is right ;) i mean it works totally rigt with the random code in hehe 2015-01-02T22:10:51 < jadew> KreAture, didn't deal with USB, sorry 2015-01-02T22:11:14 < KreAture> jadew I have worked with Astaelan and we've fixed a lot of errors in st's libs for usb 2015-01-02T22:11:30 < KreAture> Astaelan have been spending a LOT of time on it 2015-01-02T22:11:43 < KreAture> now we have something that appears to work very smoothly in freertos :) 2015-01-02T22:12:04 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-02T22:15:28 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T22:31:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T22:35:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T22:48:00 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T22:48:03 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-02T22:58:02 < qyx_> chibios/os/various/chprintf.h:69:20: note: expected 'struct BaseSequentialStream *' but argument is of type 'struct BaseSequentialStream *' 2015-01-02T22:58:11 < qyx_> wtf 2015-01-02T23:01:48 < qyx_> also defining a static function in the header, what the hell 2015-01-02T23:02:03 < qyx_> that thing is full of mess 2015-01-02T23:09:49 < Fleck> ;p 2015-01-02T23:18:46 < Laurenceb_> heh chprintf 2015-01-02T23:18:55 < Laurenceb_> the one part of chibios to avoid 2015-01-02T23:31:28 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-02T23:31:29 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-02T23:31:48 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-02T23:36:43 < decimad> didn't they remove the typedef struct crap from C by now? 2015-01-02T23:41:03 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-02T23:41:12 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.226.38] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-02T23:41:33 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.226.38] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sat Jan 03 2015 2015-01-03T00:07:52 < PaulFertser> qyx_: defining a function in a header is the only way to get it inlined (short of macros but those are worse as they do not provide any type-checking at all). And of course it should be static or else it might get double-exported and linking would become ambigous. See https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Inline.html 2015-01-03T00:13:25 < qyx_> and why should you inline printf? 2015-01-03T00:15:18 < qyx_> apart from saving few bytes on the stack 2015-01-03T00:30:20 < zyp> because chprintf is apparently only a wrapper for chvprintf 2015-01-03T00:30:33 < Laurenceb_> heh 2015-01-03T00:30:45 < Laurenceb_> i use rfprintf, but its also nasty 2015-01-03T00:30:59 < Laurenceb_> all printf implementations seem to be nasty 2015-01-03T00:31:29 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/Util/rprintf.c 2015-01-03T00:31:35 < Laurenceb_> attn nasty shit 2015-01-03T00:34:44 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-03T00:39:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.127.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-03T00:41:30 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T00:42:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping 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never cease to astonish 2015-01-03T02:49:13 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T02:49:16 < Simon--> norton diskedit? 2015-01-03T02:49:24 < kakeman> I have difficulty to explain 2015-01-03T02:49:35 < GargantuaSauce_> and google? 2015-01-03T02:50:03 < kakeman> just asecond 2015-01-03T02:50:57 < GargantuaSauce_> i would hazard a guess that more software is written to generate webpages than any other task 2015-01-03T02:51:27 < kakeman> maaann 2015-01-03T02:51:34 < kakeman> web application 2015-01-03T02:51:54 < kakeman> it's getting hot now 2015-01-03T02:52:06 < GargantuaSauce_> you may as well be asking "hey what's that thing with wheels that helps people move around" 2015-01-03T02:52:15 < kakeman> :;D 2015-01-03T02:52:41 < kakeman> I'm looking for web application that generates nice filesystem interface 2015-01-03T02:52:42 < GargantuaSauce_> i hear those are pretty hot these days too 2015-01-03T02:53:11 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-155.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-03T02:53:23 < kakeman> like those galleries but for many kind of files 2015-01-03T02:55:52 < kakeman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_photo_gallery_software 2015-01-03T02:57:19 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-03T02:57:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T02:59:11 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T02:59:34 < kakeman> http://www.dreamcss.com/2009/05/10-free-and-powerful-file-managers-for.html 2015-01-03T03:00:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-59f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-03T03:01:07 < kakeman> gettin close 2015-01-03T03:02:55 < kakeman> everything was php 2015-01-03T03:05:29 < kakeman> http commander seems to be the thing 2015-01-03T03:07:37 < kakeman> and word today was "web file manager" 2015-01-03T03:12:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-190-72-30.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T03:36:06 < kakeman> I think my next project is automated alcohol ferment and distler 2015-01-03T03:37:18 < kakeman> I need inexpensive booze 2015-01-03T03:39:57 < kakeman> then just figure out something to mix pure product with 2015-01-03T04:08:39 < upgrdman> sounds like beaky... 2015-01-03T04:09:14 -!- KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-03T04:09:56 < kakeman> even automatig methanol seperation would be nice 2015-01-03T04:10:24 < kakeman> from point you put mash in 2015-01-03T04:10:51 * KreAture_Zzz wants higher throughput on stm32 usb link 2015-01-03T04:11:11 < KreAture_Zzz> even in bulk rx it doesn't seem to manage more than 256k 2015-01-03T04:11:26 < kakeman> to point you take stainless container full of stuff out 2015-01-03T04:13:39 < KreAture_Zzz> kakeman I wish it was legal to do your own destilling of spirits 2015-01-03T04:13:48 < KreAture_Zzz> would be awsome to make a vacuum still 2015-01-03T04:14:02 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T04:14:13 -!- bezoka [~a@82-160-242-6.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-03T04:14:55 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-03T04:14:58 < kakeman> maybe 2015-01-03T04:15:06 < kakeman> but too much tech there 2015-01-03T04:15:17 < kakeman> when you need just adjustable heater 2015-01-03T04:16:01 < kakeman> some vent and control for cooling that distling pipe 2015-01-03T04:16:18 < kakeman> maybe just submerged in cold water 2015-01-03T04:16:38 < kakeman> KreAture_Zzz: just don't tell anyone 2015-01-03T04:16:53 < KreAture_Zzz> The point of vacstill is to preserve more of the flavour 2015-01-03T04:17:00 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-03T04:17:14 < kakeman> I just do potato mash or such 2015-01-03T04:17:19 < kakeman> but 2015-01-03T04:17:20 < KreAture_Zzz> and it is also safer (assuming you tolerate possible implosions) 2015-01-03T04:17:22 < kakeman> maybe 2015-01-03T04:17:23 < qyx_> you should use some dualcore arm to control it 2015-01-03T04:17:24 < qyx_> at least 2015-01-03T04:17:33 < KreAture_Zzz> kakeman I do grapewine 2015-01-03T04:17:38 < KreAture_Zzz> and apple cider 2015-01-03T04:17:40 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-03T04:17:45 < kakeman> I'm planning to actually 2015-01-03T04:17:56 < KreAture_Zzz> I had a harvest of 48kg grapes this year 2015-01-03T04:17:59 < KreAture_Zzz> err, last year 2015-01-03T04:18:01 < KreAture_Zzz> lol 2015-01-03T04:18:04 < kakeman> it needs good logging and stuff 2015-01-03T04:18:16 < kakeman> do norway have grapes? 2015-01-03T04:18:22 < KreAture_Zzz> yes 2015-01-03T04:18:28 < KreAture_Zzz> but we have a short summer 2015-01-03T04:18:44 < kakeman> we have eternal winter here 2015-01-03T04:18:48 < KreAture_Zzz> due to the cold summer with intense sun we get high sugar and flavour fruit 2015-01-03T04:19:16 < kakeman> and trees are more dense and better for stuff etcetc. 2015-01-03T04:19:17 < KreAture_Zzz> There is a reason why Norwegian strawberries are exported to US, France and Spain 2015-01-03T04:19:37 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T04:19:42 < kakeman> smoke-brb> 2015-01-03T04:19:46 < KreAture_Zzz> but due to anal alcohol politics almost anything you wanna do is illegal 2015-01-03T04:19:47 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe 2015-01-03T04:19:55 < KreAture_Zzz> btw kakeman got the usb running on stm32 2015-01-03T04:19:58 < KreAture_Zzz> in freertos 2015-01-03T04:20:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-03T04:29:55 < kakeman> usb host? 2015-01-03T04:31:02 < kakeman> KreAture_Zzz: break the law 2015-01-03T04:31:10 < KreAture_Zzz> yeah 2015-01-03T04:31:19 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T04:31:24 < KreAture_Zzz> building a new firmware for 3d printers 2015-01-03T04:32:19 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T04:32:37 < dongs> sup innovators 2015-01-03T04:32:53 < dongs> lol, 3d printers 2015-01-03T04:32:55 < kakeman> do you know KreAture_Zzz is there convient ways to measure ethanol in mash? 2015-01-03T04:33:09 < KreAture_Zzz> not convenient no 2015-01-03T04:33:13 < kakeman> repeatedly without 2015-01-03T04:33:14 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-03T04:33:15 < KreAture_Zzz> hey dongs 2015-01-03T04:33:29 < kakeman> dongs: stirled alcohol innovations 2015-01-03T04:33:39 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs I've been spending xmas hunting down and fixing bugs in the stm32 usb stack 2015-01-03T04:33:53 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs now it's actually getting good 2015-01-03T04:33:53 < dongs> KreAture_Zzz: lool. the default ST one? its ful of aids 2015-01-03T04:34:01 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs yes the default one is horrid 2015-01-03T04:34:19 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs cleaned out a lot of it, now it runns 256kbyte/s 2015-01-03T04:34:27 < KreAture_Zzz> no buffer fuckups 2015-01-03T04:34:44 < KreAture_Zzz> what I don't get however is why only 256k as it is mostly running idle 2015-01-03T04:34:53 < dongs> i forgot what I got out of ~default sample MSC driver 2015-01-03T04:34:57 < dongs> it was good enough(tm) for me 2015-01-03T04:35:37 < qyx_> 50 Pulse ethernet transformers for $20 2015-01-03T04:35:40 < KreAture_Zzz> well, default example gace 14k 2015-01-03T04:35:45 < KreAture_Zzz> gave 2015-01-03T04:35:45 < qyx_> better than epcos 3€ each 2015-01-03T04:36:13 < KreAture_Zzz> when you are pumping gcode you need capacity for lots, but normally it's medoum 2015-01-03T04:36:22 < KreAture_Zzz> got it running freertos 2015-01-03T04:36:27 < KreAture_Zzz> :) 2015-01-03T04:36:37 < KreAture_Zzz> playing with thread and hw synching 2015-01-03T04:37:35 < kakeman> qyx_: ebays? 2015-01-03T04:38:33 < kakeman> KreAture_Zzz: is it morning or evening for you in this time of day? 2015-01-03T04:38:53 < KreAture_Zzz> lol 2015-01-03T04:38:56 < KreAture_Zzz> 3:40 am 2015-01-03T04:38:59 < KreAture_Zzz> I gotta get to bed 2015-01-03T04:39:01 < KreAture_Zzz> lol 2015-01-03T04:39:29 < KreAture_Zzz> been making nice progress on the code though, and no asshats calling me to help with their computers, tv's of fucking flowers 2015-01-03T04:39:42 < KreAture_Zzz> I love the night 2015-01-03T04:40:13 < kakeman> before you go 2015-01-03T04:40:17 < kakeman> can you tell me 2015-01-03T04:40:21 < qyx_> No. 2015-01-03T04:40:37 < kakeman> how vacuum distling works in practice? 2015-01-03T04:40:56 < KreAture_Zzz> What level explenation ? 2015-01-03T04:41:06 < KreAture_Zzz> Parents, normal, or chemist ? 2015-01-03T04:41:20 < kakeman> do you need large vacuum volume? 2015-01-03T04:41:25 < KreAture_Zzz> no 2015-01-03T04:41:30 < KreAture_Zzz> Basically 2015-01-03T04:41:47 < kakeman> how do you avoid pumping steams out? 2015-01-03T04:41:48 < KreAture_Zzz> all liquids have a vapour pressure and it's related to temperature 2015-01-03T04:42:06 < kakeman> what temperature is being used? 2015-01-03T04:42:17 < kakeman> for best taste or so? 2015-01-03T04:42:20 < KreAture_Zzz> by loweing pressure you go the other way and boiling point lowers too 2015-01-03T04:42:29 < kakeman> I know physics 2015-01-03T04:42:40 < KreAture_Zzz> at around 1/15 atmosphere you can run it at around 35c 2015-01-03T04:43:20 < kakeman> so you keep it in ferment temperature basically 2015-01-03T04:43:26 < KreAture_Zzz> and you make it so your vacuum is pumped at the end where condensation will have occurred 2015-01-03T04:43:48 < kakeman> ohh 2015-01-03T04:43:49 < KreAture_Zzz> ideally that will be dry 2015-01-03T04:43:58 < KreAture_Zzz> aka all condensation happens before that 2015-01-03T04:44:53 < kakeman> so maybe use relatively cooler cooling pipes 2015-01-03T04:45:56 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/pictures/zubrick098.gif 2015-01-03T04:46:15 < KreAture_Zzz> There is another cool method where the vacuum is reciprocating 2015-01-03T04:46:19 < KreAture_Zzz> through a valve 2015-01-03T04:46:42 < kakeman> how to seperate methanol if needed? just stop process and throw it out and then continue? 2015-01-03T04:46:59 < KreAture_Zzz> on that one yes 2015-01-03T04:48:05 < KreAture_Zzz> On the cool design you would on purpose introduce air into the system through a pressure-valve that for example is set at 1/15 atm and then connect the vessle to a new chamber which is the condenser through a non return valve 2015-01-03T04:48:28 < KreAture_Zzz> To the new chamber you add the extra cooling area etc and then end up at a vacuum port 2015-01-03T04:48:47 < KreAture_Zzz> By applying vacuum you pull any vapour from the evaporation chamber into the condensing chamber 2015-01-03T04:49:18 < KreAture_Zzz> when you release the vac the condensation chamber stays at 1/15 atm and the condensation chamber goes to 1 atm 2015-01-03T04:49:23 < KreAture_Zzz> This causes instant condensation 2015-01-03T04:49:35 < KreAture_Zzz> it's like POP and you have a cloud in it! 2015-01-03T04:49:37 < KreAture_Zzz> lol 2015-01-03T04:50:04 < kakeman> picture doesn't lok like actual production device 2015-01-03T04:50:06 < KreAture_Zzz> By making the design right you can have it settle as droplets and run off 2015-01-03T04:50:13 < KreAture_Zzz> kakeman that one isn't 2015-01-03T04:50:17 < KreAture_Zzz> it's a lab setup 2015-01-03T04:50:20 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe 2015-01-03T04:51:04 < kakeman> I think I won't go under 100litre mash volume 2015-01-03T04:51:21 < kakeman> I don't want to toy with it 2015-01-03T04:51:49 < KreAture_Zzz> lol 2015-01-03T04:51:58 < KreAture_Zzz> can't help you there 2015-01-03T04:52:09 < KreAture_Zzz> but there are a few other benefits from avacstill 2015-01-03T04:52:20 < KreAture_Zzz> firstly it can run till there is 0 alcohol in the source 2015-01-03T04:52:32 < KreAture_Zzz> secondly it can achieve 100% alcohol concentration 2015-01-03T04:52:32 < ReadError> kakeman buy some old sankey kegs 2015-01-03T04:52:53 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T04:53:06 < kakeman> nice idea 2015-01-03T04:53:24 < ReadError> you can install an electric heating element in em 2015-01-03T04:53:30 < ReadError> for hot water tanks etc 2015-01-03T04:53:55 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T04:54:19 < kakeman> inside? 2015-01-03T04:54:56 < ReadError> ya 2015-01-03T04:56:45 < kakeman> KreAture_Zzz: if you go down to 0% doesn't it vaporise some amount of water too? 2015-01-03T04:57:01 < KreAture_Zzz> well technically it always does 2015-01-03T04:57:12 < KreAture_Zzz> but boiling point of water has not moved 2015-01-03T04:57:20 < KreAture_Zzz> ok it has 2015-01-03T04:57:23 < KreAture_Zzz> it is still abowe alc 2015-01-03T04:57:53 < KreAture_Zzz> depending on the alc content of the mash however the ideal temp or vac level will change 2015-01-03T05:00:36 < KreAture_Zzz> at 0.05 atm alcohol boils at 25c 2015-01-03T05:00:42 < KreAture_Zzz> sorry 2015-01-03T05:00:49 < KreAture_Zzz> no right 2015-01-03T05:01:14 < KreAture_Zzz> at same vacuum you get 34c boilingpoint for water 2015-01-03T05:01:51 < kakeman> getting 0% with just temperature wont just happen? 2015-01-03T05:03:15 < KreAture_Zzz> You usually need a reflux ratio of 20 or more it seems 2015-01-03T05:04:00 < kakeman> http://homedistiller.org/image/bujapat1.jpg in kreatures kitchen 2015-01-03T05:05:06 < KreAture_Zzz> It has more to do with the design though 2015-01-03T05:05:11 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe 2015-01-03T05:05:49 < KreAture_Zzz> I'd love to publish my reciprocating design as it's new but alas legal shit 2015-01-03T05:06:00 < KreAture_Zzz> and this really isn't #stills 2015-01-03T05:06:03 < KreAture_Zzz> lol 2015-01-03T05:08:09 < kakeman> yep 2015-01-03T05:10:22 < kakeman> I think I'm done for this night. thanks for valuable information kreature 2015-01-03T05:10:37 < kakeman> zzz now> 2015-01-03T05:10:39 < KreAture_Zzz> vacuum can really be interesting 2015-01-03T05:10:49 < kakeman> I have pump actually 2015-01-03T05:10:52 < KreAture_Zzz> who'd thought nothing could be so important 2015-01-03T05:10:55 < KreAture_Zzz> oooh! 2015-01-03T05:11:12 < KreAture_Zzz> I want to get a new one that goes to a 0.8 torr 2015-01-03T05:11:29 < kakeman> I need to get some higher stage to it 2015-01-03T05:11:57 < KreAture_Zzz> sorry 0.08 2015-01-03T05:12:08 < KreAture_Zzz> really 0.075 to be accurate 2015-01-03T05:13:44 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.jula.no/globalassets/catalog/productimages/739003.jpg?width=1024&height=1024&scale=both&bgcolor=white 2015-01-03T05:14:09 < KreAture_Zzz> it's a tad overkill for distillation 2015-01-03T05:14:11 < KreAture_Zzz> haha 2015-01-03T05:16:04 < kakeman> how mch it's worth? 2015-01-03T05:16:16 < kakeman> does it need another stage? 2015-01-03T05:19:32 < dongs> 4438Acrobat Reader XI is now properly recognized by Altium Designer 2015-01-03T05:19:34 < dongs> well thats good 2015-01-03T05:19:54 < dongs> altidong 15.0.8 is out 2015-01-03T05:20:46 < dongs> oh, atually as of few days ago 2015-01-03T05:20:49 < dongs> i forgot it was 2015 already. 2015-01-03T05:24:54 < kakeman> I think my dual freezer compressor stage will go down to 0.2bar but I need to install some poor mans high stage in series to vacuum buffer tank to get high vacuums 2015-01-03T05:32:09 < upgrdman> lolwut http://i.imgur.com/HCwWySX.jpg 2015-01-03T05:33:40 < englishman> why are you taking pics in the bathroom upgrdman 2015-01-03T05:34:16 < ReadError> heavy flow days 2015-01-03T05:35:23 < upgrdman> for those days when you squirt out a liter of blood 2015-01-03T05:40:34 < oz4ga_> Hi: 2015-01-03T05:40:52 < upgrdman> hi 2015-01-03T05:41:50 < oz4ga_> I', trying to figure out pilse data sreame is compare to how fast I can compare a LCD 2015-01-03T05:43:21 < oz4ga_> how fast a data streame compatre to how fast I can updae a LCCD array 2015-01-03T05:44:45 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host 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and the dodge would have justcome out 2015-01-03T05:57:21 < karlp> and there would ahve been no reason to record a thing 2015-01-03T05:57:25 < karlp> it smells like a setup 2015-01-03T05:57:49 < zyp> I've done a similar thing 2015-01-03T05:58:14 < englishman> saw ranger, immediately knew what would happen 2015-01-03T05:58:24 < zyp> except I didn't rip shit off my car 2015-01-03T05:58:35 < karlp> so.. you just towed someone out? 2015-01-03T05:58:46 < karlp> if shit didn't break, it's not really anything like that vidoe 2015-01-03T06:00:08 < zyp> I was towing a pal up from a ditch, and the road was covered with ice so I didn't get enough traction to gently pull it up 2015-01-03T06:00:25 < zyp> so I backed up a bit to gain some momentum 2015-01-03T06:09:14 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@ip-96-43-226-17.dsl.netrevolution.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T06:09:35 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@ip-96-43-226-17.dsl.netrevolution.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-03T06:09:35 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has 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Getty> what? 2015-01-03T06:22:50 < Getty> wait wait, you expect me to act like a .... person that is outside of the internet? 2015-01-03T06:22:53 < Getty> why? 2015-01-03T06:22:55 < ReadError> dongs usb3 DP adapter? 2015-01-03T06:22:58 < dongs> no 2015-01-03T06:23:02 < dongs> all displayport 2015-01-03T06:23:08 < dongs> surfacebro3 = displayport 2015-01-03T06:23:08 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-03T06:23:48 < Getty> i have a 4 Port DP card laying around here, paid 400 EUR for it..... it has no feature ;) pure desktop card, only needs 40W 2015-01-03T06:24:02 < dongs> nvidia ns510? 2015-01-03T06:24:04 < Getty> but that wasnt really working out for the triple setup...... sadly 2015-01-03T06:24:06 < dongs> i got liek 3 of them 2015-01-03T06:24:12 < Getty> aehm no the other company of nvidia 2015-01-03T06:24:14 < dongs> won't do more than 2 4k screens 2015-01-03T06:24:14 < Getty> PNI? 2015-01-03T06:24:17 < Getty> or what was the name 2015-01-03T06:24:23 < Getty> dont force me to stand up and look at it 2015-01-03T06:24:24 < dongs> yes, but theres only one 4 port nvs 2015-01-03T06:24:28 < dongs> PNY just oems it 2015-01-03T06:24:43 < Getty> yeah! but i have them not as nvidia, i have them as PNY card directly 2015-01-03T06:25:06 < Getty> whatever, its shit 2015-01-03T06:25:19 < Getty> now i got a 200 EUR GTXsomethingwhatever and it works super 2015-01-03T06:25:49 < dongs> i switched form nvs to AMD W4100 2015-01-03T06:26:16 < dongs> its ~same class workstation stuff but will do 3 4k screens at 60hz 2015-01-03T06:26:37 < dongs> all modern nvidia shit is dual slot gamer garbage 2015-01-03T06:26:49 < Getty> the one i have is perfect for 3 2015-01-03T06:26:50 < dongs> with like 2 displayport max 2015-01-03T06:26:52 < dongs> how so? 2015-01-03T06:26:53 < Getty> 4 wouldnt be possible 2015-01-03T06:27:02 < Getty> it works out good, 2 on the DP, and one on the DVI 2015-01-03T06:27:02 -!- blight 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new polygon pour and had to unshelve it to fill 2015-01-03T06:52:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-03T06:52:37 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T07:01:10 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9c0:830d:8534:b602] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T07:01:51 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:31b3:dcbc:a8b9:77d7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-03T07:11:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T07:23:23 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@h108.175.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T07:24:57 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-03T08:00:59 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T08:03:42 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:a9c0:830d:8534:b602] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-03T08:38:18 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[~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-03T08:56:03 < ReadError> damn that blows 2015-01-03T08:56:33 < ReadError> ford?? 2015-01-03T08:56:43 < ReadError> ah 2015-01-03T08:56:55 < PaulFertser> Did you get any error codes from it? 2015-01-03T08:58:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T08:58:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-03T08:58:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T09:05:12 < PaulFertser> R2COM: why don't you want to have something hooked up to its OBD-II so you can know more about what's happening? 2015-01-03T09:06:17 < PaulFertser> BTW, does it have an electrical fan to cool the radiator when idle? Is it turning on? 2015-01-03T10:00:48 < dymk> Hi, question about packaging for small components that I'm getting off of digikey 2015-01-03T10:01:01 < dymk> In the case of this item, is the packaging that it's in SMA? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/V4PAN50-M3%2FI/V4PAN50-M3%2FIDKR-ND/4580794 2015-01-03T10:08:11 < PaulFertser> decimad: LTO with gcc makes debugging problematic, at least for now. 2015-01-03T10:15:58 < dongs> dymk: datasheet tells you 2015-01-03T10:16:15 < dongs> thats a 4A diode, it is "SMPA", which looks to be a huge version of SMA/SMB type shit 2015-01-03T10:16:30 < dongs> DO-221BC 2015-01-03T10:17:00 < dymk> dongs, ah alright, thanks 2015-01-03T10:32:20 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T10:38:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T11:01:47 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T11:02:44 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T11:21:09 < ReadError> dongs are you stoned enough to talk about analog video 2015-01-03T11:26:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-22fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T11:43:33 -!- PodeCoet [~podecoet@124-171-122-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T11:43:43 < PodeCoet> Hello 2015-01-03T11:44:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T11:47:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T11:47:26 < PaulFertser> PodeCoet: hey :) 2015-01-03T11:48:09 < PodeCoet> Hey man, I made it, only 12 hours later than promised :P 2015-01-03T11:48:45 < PaulFertser> Hehe 2015-01-03T11:49:22 < PaulFertser> So, what microcontroller do you prefer to stm32? ;) 2015-01-03T11:50:03 < Fleck> vote number 1 - avr :D 2015-01-03T11:50:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.64.15] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T11:50:12 < PodeCoet> *cough* PIC *cough* 2015-01-03T11:50:19 < PodeCoet> what? who said that? 2015-01-03T11:50:30 < Fleck> PIC is vote number two :D 2015-01-03T11:50:36 < PodeCoet> Heathen! 2015-01-03T11:50:56 < Fleck> morning barthess 2015-01-03T11:51:21 < barthess> morning 2015-01-03T11:51:32 < PodeCoet> Actually I envy AVR's ATTiny microcontrollers a lot 2015-01-03T11:52:07 < PaulFertser> Those without RAM? 2015-01-03T11:52:13 < Fleck> ;p 2015-01-03T11:52:44 < PaulFertser> stm8s seem to be nice, powerful peripherals for real cheap. 2015-01-03T11:52:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T11:53:01 < PaulFertser> I don't really see a niche for avr nowadays. 2015-01-03T11:54:25 < Fleck> stm8... on linux 2015-01-03T11:54:31 < Fleck> meh, have you tried? :P 2015-01-03T11:54:41 < PodeCoet> I honestly don't know terribly much about stm8, the last one I used as an STM8S105 - We had a sales rep from AVNET who would constantly try and sell them to us 2015-01-03T11:54:58 < PodeCoet> Do they have LPC devices, ie: ~8pins? 2015-01-03T11:55:05 < ReadError> when is the discovery f7 coming out? ;o 2015-01-03T11:55:15 < ReadError> not that I have any need 2015-01-03T11:55:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T11:57:44 < PaulFertser> Fleck: not yet, but I've read sdcc works okish. 2015-01-03T11:58:15 < Fleck> yeah, I have read something, but have not tried yet, but I would love to some day! 2015-01-03T11:58:47 < PaulFertser> I think LPC had something 8-pin, yes. 2015-01-03T11:59:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:03:39 < PaulFertser> Hm, I guess no, they don't have that. 2015-01-03T12:05:44 < PaulFertser> lpc800 is available in dip8. 2015-01-03T12:05:53 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-88.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:06:32 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:3d29:9931:8bec:a788] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:08:36 < PaulFertser> LPC810M021FN8 in DIP8, LPC811M001JDH16 and LPC812M101JDH1 in TSSOP16. 2015-01-03T12:09:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-03T12:09:47 < PodeCoet> Holy cow... 16kB of flash and 4kB of SRAM in 8 pins 2015-01-03T12:10:01 < PodeCoet> Damn it if they only had it in SOIC or DFN, it would be /perfect/ 2015-01-03T12:12:30 < PaulFertser> tssop16 is quite small too. 2015-01-03T12:13:04 < qyx_> f030 is also in tssop16 2015-01-03T12:13:07 < PodeCoet> I was just looking at their SOT1341/XSON16 package, 2.5x3.2mm! 2015-01-03T12:13:36 < qyx_> also there are some abusable accelerometers in qfn16 with m0 inside 2015-01-03T12:13:39 < PaulFertser> I personally value the ability to use on-chip debug a lot. Granted, megas and pics have that too, but require expensive special programmer, proprietary tools etc. 2015-01-03T12:14:01 < PaulFertser> ST LIS331EB 3x3x1mm LGA 2015-01-03T12:14:15 < qyx_> also there is f050 in qfn28 2015-01-03T12:14:16 < qyx_> 4x4mm 2015-01-03T12:14:50 < Fleck> PaulFertser: same here, but for small code - you can live w/o it :) 2015-01-03T12:15:05 < PodeCoet> I'll be honest, I've never used debuggers on PICs before - I usually just flash and probe. I kind of got into micros informally, and I'm missing a huge chunk of knowledge 2015-01-03T12:15:12 < Fleck> (and train brain to run code :p ) 2015-01-03T12:15:49 < PaulFertser> Fleck: one can live without a lot of cool stuff. E.g. it wasn't until recently that Linux, the kernel, got integrated debugging facilities. 2015-01-03T12:16:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:16:19 < Fleck> yeah 2015-01-03T12:16:37 < Fleck> I mean - it's not sooo unusable because of that 2015-01-03T12:16:51 < PodeCoet> PaulFertser, could you recommend any docs on getting started with NXP? Re: compilers, IDEs, etc - I've always considered making the jump, but didn't want to re-learn everything 2015-01-03T12:17:21 < PodeCoet> or rather, I didn't have the time to even play with them 2015-01-03T12:18:31 < PaulFertser> PodeCoet: having ability to quickly probe into periph registers, to have breakpoints and watchpoints, to occasionally tweak a variable or a periph control bit runtime is imho valuable even for small projects. And when you have several threads running and whatsnot, it becomes a huge productivity booster. Unless you code everything in some special DSL where you can mathematically prove correctness 2015-01-03T12:18:38 < PaulFertser> and the target device matches the specs perfectly ;) 2015-01-03T12:19:37 < PaulFertser> PodeCoet: I'm rather biased because I do not like proprietary software and hence have to go my own way usually. Also, I personally have considerable experience only with stm32s. I hope others can chime in. 2015-01-03T12:20:28 < PaulFertser> My coworkers are using Eclipse for an IDE, and gcc-arm-embedded for a toolchain. 2015-01-03T12:21:01 < PaulFertser> I personally prefer Emacs + GNU Make + OpenOCD + console gdb. 2015-01-03T12:21:53 < PodeCoet> Thanks for the tips, at least I know where to look to get started 2015-01-03T12:22:07 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.88] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:22:09 < PaulFertser> Hehe, chibios/rt on lpc800: http://theshedworks.org.uk/?p=142 2015-01-03T12:22:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.64.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-03T12:23:20 -!- Robint91 [~teecom@d54c37d92.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:23:24 < Robint91> YO PEEPS 2015-01-03T12:23:40 < Fleck> morning 2015-01-03T12:23:44 < PaulFertser> PodeCoet: I know a smart EE guy who wanted to start using stm32s for his projects. He got a disco board and used CooCox on windows, and that was a smooth and pleasant start for him. So there're different opinions, I can admit that :) 2015-01-03T12:23:46 < PodeCoet> evening 2015-01-03T12:23:59 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: I remember you were using lpc parts, right? 2015-01-03T12:25:26 < PodeCoet> PaulFertser: I'm kind of in between jobs right now, so I've finally got time to look into other solutions and debuggers :P 2015-01-03T12:26:16 < PodeCoet> PaulFertser: 'Burnt the midnight oil' so to speak for the last four years, didn't get any quiet time to do some research 2015-01-03T12:26:42 < PaulFertser> PodeCoet: great, so it's about time for you to try something new :) 2015-01-03T12:27:18 < PodeCoet> PodeCoet: Haha unfortunately it looks like NXP at this point, sorry to disappoint you 2015-01-03T12:27:52 < PodeCoet> PaulFertser: But I wouldn't rule out ST for future work 2015-01-03T12:28:01 < PodeCoet> Damn I addressed myself. 2015-01-03T12:28:33 < PaulFertser> I'm not an ST fan but the ride was relatively nice so far. 2015-01-03T12:29:02 < Robint91> PodeCoet, I don't like NXP because the way they did the flash thing 2015-01-03T12:29:13 < PodeCoet> Robint91: Flash thing? 2015-01-03T12:29:16 < Robint91> PodeCoet, If you are making a bootloader/firmware update 2015-01-03T12:29:35 < Robint91> You will have to copy code into ram to do the update process 2015-01-03T12:29:38 < PodeCoet> PaulFertser: My negative experience with ST might have been more to do with the COSMIC compiler I was using 2015-01-03T12:29:48 < PodeCoet> Robint91, oh damn 2015-01-03T12:29:54 < Robint91> You can't write/exec from flash at the same time 2015-01-03T12:30:01 < Robint91> It can with ST 2015-01-03T12:30:27 < PodeCoet> So they basically don't support self-flash? 2015-01-03T12:30:41 < Robint91> If you exec from ram you can 2015-01-03T12:30:48 < PaulFertser> Robint91: that's relatively easy to workaround by adding a dedicated section into your linker script and marking the few needed functions with an attribute. 2015-01-03T12:31:02 < Robint91> PaulFertser, entire flash 2015-01-03T12:31:07 < PaulFertser> Robint91: don't they actually provide some rom functions for flash? IAP or so? 2015-01-03T12:31:17 < Robint91> those are shitty 2015-01-03T12:31:33 < PaulFertser> Robint91: yes, you can have your linker to place the functions into a section that would be automatically copied to RAM on boot. 2015-01-03T12:31:35 < Robint91> PaulFertser, the problem is that it brings failure modes to your devices 2015-01-03T12:31:58 < Robint91> PaulFertser, using unneccary ram, ... 2015-01-03T12:32:10 < PaulFertser> Robint91: yep, true. 2015-01-03T12:32:21 < PaulFertser> So, does IAP really suck? 2015-01-03T12:32:31 < Robint91> with NXP, yes 2015-01-03T12:33:17 < PaulFertser> TI has their entire support library in mask rom in TivaCs :) 2015-01-03T12:33:37 < PaulFertser> But they often advice against using it. 2015-01-03T12:34:28 < PodeCoet> I donHow would you handle image verification if you're writing the image to flash as it's streamed 2015-01-03T12:34:42 < PodeCoet> *I don't have much experience in self-flash for firmware updates 2015-01-03T12:35:04 < PodeCoet> Or I guess, you'll still be in bootloader if your checksum fails, so there's a chance to re-write 2015-01-03T12:35:34 < Robint91> PodeCoet, I have a USB HID bootloader, that does the bruteforce tacktick and a magic word 2015-01-03T12:35:45 < Robint91> also the bootloader has no internal state 2015-01-03T12:36:02 < Robint91> it just processes data comming from the pc 2015-01-03T12:36:09 < Robint91> most packets are 2015-01-03T12:36:10 < Robint91> like 2015-01-03T12:36:26 < Robint91> write, addr, 32 bytes data 2015-01-03T12:36:28 < Robint91> or 2015-01-03T12:36:32 < Robint91> erase, addr 2015-01-03T12:36:35 < Robint91> or read, addr 2015-01-03T12:37:40 < Robint91> the PC application needs to remember which address he currently needs to write to. It needs also to read out the entire flash again to verify. If that is correct it write a magic byte to the last address of the RAM 2015-01-03T12:38:09 < Robint91> when the MCU starts, it checks for the magic byte and then jumps to the main program 2015-01-03T12:38:31 < Robint91> if you want to update the firmware, you invalidate the magic word 2015-01-03T12:39:02 < Robint91> I have written that bootloader somewhere in 2012, still works flawless today 2015-01-03T12:39:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-03T12:39:27 < Robint91> and the best part is you don't need a software driver for the hardware on the PC/MAC/.. 2015-01-03T12:39:57 < Robint91> the speed is around 32kiB/sec 2015-01-03T12:40:17 < Robint91> 128 takes around 10 seconds, erasing/programming/verification included 2015-01-03T12:40:31 < PodeCoet> Hah! That's actually pretty cool man, so the failure mode would be that it gets stuck in bootloader if there's an interruption during the write process - and because it's HID it's essentially driverless 2015-01-03T12:41:08 < Robint91> PodeCoet, if it fails, the user can just restart the update process 2015-01-03T12:41:22 < Robint91> PodeCoet, the bootloader is in the first 8kiB of the flash 2015-01-03T12:41:28 < Robint91> which is protected 2015-01-03T12:41:41 < PaulFertser> I do not understand why windows users deprive themselves from using libusb with any device without drivers too. It's possible on sane OSes, just not on windows. 2015-01-03T12:42:23 < Robint91> PaulFertser, It is a huge hassle, especially if you have to support PC's where you don't have admin rights on 2015-01-03T12:42:41 < Robint91> PaulFertser, If you have a solution for that, let me know 2015-01-03T12:43:39 < PaulFertser> Robint91: do you mean a windows-specific hassle here? No, afaik HID is the only universal solution available. 2015-01-03T12:43:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:44:13 < PaulFertser> ARM based their CMSIS-DAP USB protocol on HID for exactly that reason I guess. 2015-01-03T12:44:22 < Robint91> PaulFertser, mostly windows, libusb is fairly straight forward on linux, last time I tried 2015-01-03T12:44:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-03T12:45:12 < PaulFertser> Robint91: well, mass storage emulation is another common option. 2015-01-03T12:46:00 < Robint91> PaulFertser, yeah, it depends if how big the bootloader needs to be 2015-01-03T12:46:35 < Robint91> a simple HID things will be smaller as a mass storage I guess 2015-01-03T12:46:54 < PodeCoet> Robint91: Why would the bootloader size be a problem, are we mainly talking throughput? 2015-01-03T12:46:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ac3dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:47:23 < Robint91> PodeCoet, larger bootloader size = less main program space 2015-01-03T12:47:43 < PodeCoet> Oh, derp. I knew that. 2015-01-03T12:48:05 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T12:48:42 < Robint91> PodeCoet, I like my bootloaders small and simple, so I know I will have less bugs, .... 2015-01-03T12:49:53 < PodeCoet> Robint91, I completely agree 2015-01-03T12:51:56 < PodeCoet> Well, I'm off to dinner man 2015-01-03T12:52:02 < PodeCoet> Nice chatting to you all, and thanks for the tips! 2015-01-03T12:52:54 -!- PodeCoet [~podecoet@124-171-122-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-03T13:04:14 < dongs> by erase addr, you mean erase page, amirirte 2015-01-03T13:09:42 < Robint91> dongs, the addr for the erase is the start of the page 2015-01-03T13:09:50 < Robint91> but it works with any address within a page 2015-01-03T13:12:48 < Fleck> https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1461831_591111314287296_440297789_n.jpg?oh=e04ff38c110a7497963543cb5d33b880&oe=552D607C 2015-01-03T13:16:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T13:17:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T13:17:14 < Fleck> http://i.imgur.com/J9IetP9.jpg :D 2015-01-03T13:17:25 < Fleck> (for those who understand russian) 2015-01-03T13:18:28 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-03T13:19:02 < trepidaciousMBR> Anyone had this? "arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lg"? Is that looking for a library "g"? 2015-01-03T13:19:38 < trepidaciousMBR> Ah I think it's OS X breaking my toolchain 2015-01-03T13:21:31 < trepidaciousMBR> Yup, need to extract from command line 2015-01-03T13:23:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T13:30:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-03T13:37:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T13:37:30 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T13:44:56 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-88.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-03T13:57:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-03T13:58:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T14:10:31 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T14:12:11 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-03T14:28:53 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-03T14:29:20 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T14:32:52 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T15:05:34 < Steffanx> what are you doing that os x breaks your toolchain trepidaciousMBR? Never had that issue. 2015-01-03T15:22:05 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T15:42:47 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-88.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T15:52:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-03T15:52:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-190-72-30.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T15:57:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T15:59:11 < KreAture_> dongs I found a nice odd thing in the stm32 usb lib 2015-01-03T15:59:25 < KreAture_> it seems to send a zlp after every transfer even though the transfer was a underfull packet 2015-01-03T15:59:32 < KreAture_> a bug you parhaps have fixed ? 2015-01-03T16:01:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:01:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-03T16:05:41 < jpa-> KreAture_: why would the host even request a packet after a underfull packet? 2015-01-03T16:06:08 < KreAture_> host and hw does as it's told 2015-01-03T16:06:34 < jpa-> i mean, host should stop requesting after receiving short packet? 2015-01-03T16:06:36 < KreAture_> if you say to the hw in the stm32 to prepare for a 2 packet transfer via in endpoint it will give you two interrupts for filling those packets 2015-01-03T16:07:05 < KreAture_> basically you are supposed to tell hw to issue 1 packet if your data fits in 1 and is not a perfect 64 byte fill 2015-01-03T16:07:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-22fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-03T16:07:16 < KreAture_> you only send a zlp when packet was exactly 64 bytes 2015-01-03T16:07:29 < KreAture_> but I think the calculations in the firmware from st is bodged 2015-01-03T16:07:36 < KreAture_> I think they ask for 2 packets 2015-01-03T16:07:42 < KreAture_> the isr just does what it is supposed to 2015-01-03T16:08:03 < KreAture_> it gets a fifo empty isr trigger when there is no more data to send so does the correct thing and fills it with a zlp 2015-01-03T16:08:15 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:08:17 < KreAture_> will see if I am right when I add some debug to the calculation stage 2015-01-03T16:08:39 < Robint91> KreAture_, which ST part? 2015-01-03T16:08:41 < jpa-> hmm, is this F1 or F4? i haven't done much usb work but IIRC it is told only number of bytes, not number of packets 2015-01-03T16:08:46 < Robint91> F1 or F2/F4 2015-01-03T16:09:11 < Fleck> elektrinis labriit 2015-01-03T16:09:28 < KreAture_> Robint91 stm32f407 2015-01-03T16:09:42 < dongs> i remember zyp blogging about this 2015-01-03T16:09:53 < KreAture_> jpa- deeper in the stack there is a calculation that is done to set the registers in the hw 2015-01-03T16:10:06 < Robint91> mhh 2015-01-03T16:10:07 < KreAture_> It seems to be where it miscalculates 2015-01-03T16:10:20 < KreAture_> a 8 byte write there results in 2 packets being requested it seems 2015-01-03T16:10:24 < KreAture_> will digg deeper later 2015-01-03T16:10:46 < Robint91> Is there a good usb stack that combines F1 and F4 ... 2015-01-03T16:11:02 < KreAture_> My logg on the usblyzer and the log in my instrumented cdc layer both show a 8 byte packet being sent, followed immediately by a zlp 2015-01-03T16:11:14 < KreAture_> so I know for a fact it happens 2015-01-03T16:11:20 < KreAture_> bbl 2015-01-03T16:11:38 < KreAture_> dongs a link to zyp blog would be great 2015-01-03T16:11:43 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-03T16:11:47 < KreAture_> bbl for reals 2015-01-03T16:11:53 < dongs> cgit.jvnv.net or someshit like that 2015-01-03T16:13:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-22fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:14:50 < Robint91> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/bbFGjvY.jpg 2015-01-03T16:17:09 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T16:17:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-99-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:18:55 < dongs> nice 2015-01-03T16:18:58 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-03T16:23:40 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:3d29:9931:8bec:a788] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T16:33:43 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:39:18 < ReadError> hello my friend 2015-01-03T16:39:32 < Robint91> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6633039/a95c7a28/dieren_thug_life_compilatie.html 2015-01-03T16:39:47 < ReadError> is there any way to profile an MCU for utilized vs un-utilized clock cycles? 2015-01-03T16:42:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.14] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:42:45 < Robint91> count? 2015-01-03T16:43:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-03T16:44:40 < TheSeven> depends on what you do in the unutilized cycles 2015-01-03T16:44:43 < TheSeven> on most systems the system will be spinning in some idle loop, which possibly includes a wfi instruction 2015-01-03T16:45:30 < ReadError> yea I was just looking for an easy-ish way to form a metric of how much im using the clock cycles 2015-01-03T16:45:42 < ReadError> I know RTOS stuff has tools for this ive seen 2015-01-03T16:46:20 < TheSeven> if you have an RTOS, that will typically keep track of the CPU utilization 2015-01-03T16:46:20 < TheSeven> if you don't, but you have a main loop where you just poll things, you don't have idle time by definition 2015-01-03T16:46:34 < TheSeven> if you have that idle loop but do a wfi there, disable IRQs, snapshot the systick timer, do the wfi, snapshot systick again and calculate the difference, then re-enable IRQs 2015-01-03T16:46:52 < ReadError> well everything is IRQ driven 2015-01-03T16:47:04 < TheSeven> you'll have to take care of systick rollovers of course 2015-01-03T16:48:24 < TheSeven> then build a sum of those captured WFI times, and divide that by the total systick time that has passed, and you have the idle time ratio 2015-01-03T16:48:39 < TheSeven> won't be 100% accurate, but close enough for most purposes 2015-01-03T16:50:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:51:07 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T16:52:57 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-03T17:12:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-99-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-03T17:13:09 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-155.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:21:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-35-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:21:29 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T17:22:21 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:23:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:23:50 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:27:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T17:27:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:29:53 < dongs> Subjectively, Klaudio-cleaned record tend to show across-the-board sonic improvements, most notably in the perceived depth of recording venues, the clarity of images and surrounding areas, and more natural tone, density, and texture on instruments. One example would be Duke Ellington.s Jazz Party In Stereo. The opening track on this record, .Malletoba Spank,. is a horn and percussion festival of dynamic delight. 2015-01-03T17:29:59 < dongs> After I ultrasonically cleaned the disc, the impact, tone, and decay of every percussion instrument had greater clarity and less haze, and the horn section went from a moderate wave of occasionally aggressive sound to a full set of instruments with greater resolution of individual players than I.d heard before. 2015-01-03T17:30:52 < dongs> On this opening track, the percussion instruments closely followed by the horns are the stars of the show, but what.s interesting is that I could also more clearly follow Jimmy Woode.s bass rhythmically plucking along, providing a solid foundation in the center background. 2015-01-03T17:31:37 < Steffanx> Whoa, that is wonderful great news! 2015-01-03T17:31:48 < Steffanx> Can i listen to it on youtube? 2015-01-03T17:31:51 < dongs> http://klaudio.com/kd-cln-lp200-lp-vinyl-record-ultrasonic-cleaner-dryer 2015-01-03T17:31:56 < dongs> im ordering a bunch 2015-01-03T17:33:00 < Steffanx> dongs gots a few boxes with vinyl from the period he was dong jockeying around? 2015-01-03T17:33:14 < dongs> dj dongs 2015-01-03T17:33:49 < KreAture_> LOL 2015-01-03T17:33:58 < KreAture_> didn't know stuff even stuck to vinly 2015-01-03T17:35:12 < Steffanx> Real pros use wood glue 2015-01-03T17:35:55 < elektrinis> hi Fleck 2015-01-03T17:36:12 < elektrinis> labriit is in latvia :) 2015-01-03T17:39:05 < Fleck> I know ;p 2015-01-03T17:40:30 < Fleck> your nick sounds latvian ;p 2015-01-03T17:40:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:41:02 < dongs> does my nick sounds jewish 2015-01-03T17:46:33 < Steffanx> if you say it backwards maybe. 2015-01-03T17:46:58 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:3d29:9931:8bec:a788] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T17:47:02 < dongs> i dont see how that would make it any more jewish 2015-01-03T17:47:06 < dongs> it doesnt end wiht -berg 2015-01-03T17:47:18 < dongs> or -stein 2015-01-03T17:47:40 < Steffanx> berg, stein.. jewish? 2015-01-03T17:47:57 < dongs> yes 2015-01-03T17:49:10 < Laurenceb_> i thought berg was German lol 2015-01-03T17:49:21 < dongs> oh and -katz 2015-01-03T17:49:41 < Steffanx> also german 2015-01-03T17:49:45 < Laurenceb_> Lichtenstein is the true Jewish state 2015-01-03T17:50:25 < Fleck> it is german/dutch 2015-01-03T17:51:25 < elektrinis> Fleck, labriit is good morning :) 2015-01-03T17:51:31 < elektrinis> no really morning 2015-01-03T17:51:41 < elektrinis> btw I'm from lithuania 2015-01-03T17:51:49 < elektrinis> neughbour for latvia 2015-01-03T17:52:08 < Fleck> lol, i know where lt is ;p 2015-01-03T17:52:27 < Tectu> ##stm32 becomes #jewish-geography 2015-01-03T17:52:28 < elektrinis> today is our third day wit euro 2015-01-03T17:52:28 < Tectu> awesome 2015-01-03T17:52:29 < Steffanx> do you like your new euro coins ? 2015-01-03T17:52:30 < elektrinis> with* 2015-01-03T17:52:46 < elektrinis> they are okay 2015-01-03T17:52:53 < Tectu> and deep inside you all wish to have swiss francs <3 2015-01-03T17:53:38 < Steffanx> no way. 2015-01-03T17:53:39 < elektrinis> slight madness with new prices 2015-01-03T17:54:09 < Tectu> elektrinis, what did you have before, if I may ask? 2015-01-03T17:54:30 < dongs> time to get stoned 2015-01-03T17:54:32 < dongs> gnite 2015-01-03T17:54:50 < Steffanx> heh, sounds familiar 2015-01-03T17:54:50 < elektrinis> we had "Litas" 2015-01-03T17:54:54 < elektrinis> national currency 2015-01-03T17:55:06 < elektrinis> 1€ = 3.4528 LTL 2015-01-03T17:55:13 < Tectu> dat decimal precision 2015-01-03T17:55:17 < elektrinis> :) 2015-01-03T17:55:31 < Tectu> did the folks request the change or was it some hitler thing? 2015-01-03T17:55:36 < Tectu> government* 2015-01-03T17:55:44 < Steffanx> but they just did: LTL/ 3 = .. euro? 2015-01-03T17:55:50 < elektrinis> hitler thing :) 2015-01-03T17:55:56 < elektrinis> 40% population are against 2015-01-03T17:56:09 < Steffanx> democrazy . 2015-01-03T17:56:16 < elektrinis> yup. 2015-01-03T17:56:17 < Tectu> rofl, it would be impossible to do such a thing here without the folks not only agreeing but also brining up the idea 2015-01-03T17:56:40 < elektrinis> no one asked 2015-01-03T17:56:50 < elektrinis> we had to comply with several criteria 2015-01-03T17:56:59 < elektrinis> once that is okay, they did it 2015-01-03T17:57:18 < elektrinis> so no average sallary here is like €450 2015-01-03T17:57:22 < elektrinis> \o/ 2015-01-03T17:57:24 < elektrinis> now* 2015-01-03T17:57:36 < Tectu> how exactly does a currency change work? Were you forced to go to the bank or did people come to your door or how does such a thing go? 2015-01-03T17:57:36 < Tectu> what? 2015-01-03T17:57:37 < Tectu> you mean 4500€ ? 2015-01-03T17:57:43 < elektrinis> minimal €290 I think 2015-01-03T17:57:58 < elektrinis> no, 450. 2015-01-03T17:58:08 < ReadError> per week? 2015-01-03T17:58:13 < elektrinis> change goes easy. several ways.. 2015-01-03T17:58:15 < elektrinis> month. 2015-01-03T17:58:17 < ReadError> oh 2015-01-03T17:58:22 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-03T17:58:28 < elektrinis> one way to exchange is ATMs 2015-01-03T17:58:37 < elektrinis> we have many that accept cash 2015-01-03T17:58:45 < Tectu> what the heck... 2015-01-03T17:58:49 < elektrinis> second way is bank, of course 2015-01-03T17:59:01 < elektrinis> and third way is any place, that accepts cash 2015-01-03T17:59:11 < elektrinis> you pay in LTL, and get change in € 2015-01-03T17:59:26 < Tectu> in switzerland 3'743€ is now the minimum salary (per month) set by law for ANYBODY 2015-01-03T17:59:38 < Tectu> average salary is about 5'000€ per month 2015-01-03T17:59:45 < elektrinis> yeah, so it's €290 gere. 2015-01-03T17:59:47 < elektrinis> here* 2015-01-03T17:59:54 < Tectu> and normal higher educated IT person gets around 8'000€ per month 2015-01-03T17:59:57 < Tectu> holy crap 2015-01-03T18:00:13 < elektrinis> well, everything else is a lot cheaper as well 2015-01-03T18:00:23 < Tectu> with 290€ you could barely pay your phone + internet bill here :P 2015-01-03T18:00:32 < elektrinis> like 50m² apartment is ~€250 per month 2015-01-03T18:00:40 < Tectu> oh dear 2015-01-03T18:00:52 < elektrinis> phone bill is €4/mo 2015-01-03T18:00:59 < Tectu> cheapest meal here is 10€ in a self service restaurant nowdays 2015-01-03T18:00:59 < Steffanx> life in switzerland is much more expensive... 2015-01-03T18:01:05 < Steffanx> and more difficult, especially when you have people that force you to go skiing 2015-01-03T18:01:15 < elektrinis> 200mbps fiber optic line is €15/mo 2015-01-03T18:01:19 < Tectu> last month my phone bill (only mobile phone) was 45€ 2015-01-03T18:01:34 < Tectu> 20mbps vdsl copper line is 100€/month here 2015-01-03T18:01:40 < elektrinis> ;] 2015-01-03T18:01:42 < Tectu> I don't have fiber because I can't afford it \o/ 2015-01-03T18:01:44 < elektrinis> so here you have 2015-01-03T18:02:01 < Tectu> is it possible to live in your country while getting swiss salaries? :P 2015-01-03T18:02:01 < elektrinis> by the way we are second or third in the world by speed of internet 2015-01-03T18:02:13 < Tectu> I pay for 20mbps but I only get 10mbps 2015-01-03T18:02:17 < Tectu> internet in switzerland SUCKS 2015-01-03T18:02:20 < elektrinis> for example I have 100mbps line for €9 2015-01-03T18:02:45 < Tectu> *__* 2015-01-03T18:03:06 < elektrinis> food is a little cheaper i guess 2015-01-03T18:03:15 < elektrinis> one liter of wuality milk is ~ €0.95 2015-01-03T18:03:17 < Tectu> in switzerland they reduce your upload speed so nobody can put their own servers at home so you have to pay to a datacenter <3 2015-01-03T18:03:20 < elektrinis> quality* 2015-01-03T18:03:37 < Tectu> even the most rediculous VPS (virtual server, not root, just web frontent) costs 70€ a year 2015-01-03T18:03:54 < Tectu> milk is about 1€ here (one liter as well) 2015-01-03T18:03:56 < Steffanx> beer is cheap too elektrinis? 2015-01-03T18:04:05 < Tectu> beer became supper expensive here 2015-01-03T18:04:10 < Tectu> 0.5L in a bar is now 5€ 2015-01-03T18:04:16 < elektrinis> however all the stuff.. like PCs, phones... still costs the same as in other places of world. and even more expensive. 2015-01-03T18:04:39 < elektrinis> so if you have an iphone here.... you are trying to show you are wealthy :)) lol 2015-01-03T18:04:46 < Steffanx> or gay 2015-01-03T18:05:01 < elektrinis> Steffanx, in supermarket, 0.5 liter of beer is ~€0.7 2015-01-03T18:05:11 < elektrinis> yes, hay is the keyword 2015-01-03T18:05:14 < elektrinis> gay* 2015-01-03T18:06:10 < elektrinis> I actually would not mind if all alcohol would cost 10 times it does now here 2015-01-03T18:06:31 < elektrinis> we were occupied by russians for some time until 1991 2015-01-03T18:06:58 < elektrinis> our folks were broken... 2015-01-03T18:07:27 < elektrinis> many smarter people were exiled 2015-01-03T18:07:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-22fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-03T18:07:45 < elektrinis> only drunks and idiots remained 2015-01-03T18:08:03 < elektrinis> so we do have problems with alcoholism 2015-01-03T18:08:17 < elektrinis> but those people are dying off slowly 2015-01-03T18:08:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-22fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T18:08:46 < elektrinis> young people are happy to be part of EU 2015-01-03T18:09:31 < ReadError> elektrinis I heard many folks in .lt are moving to to UK and such? 2015-01-03T18:09:40 < elektrinis> yes 2015-01-03T18:09:51 < elektrinis> usually not very bright people 2015-01-03T18:09:56 < Tectu> aren't the carambola (embedded computer module) people from .lt? 2015-01-03T18:10:11 < elektrinis> to harvest strawberries, wash dishes, etc 2015-01-03T18:10:44 < Fleck> +1 elektrinis, same here, lv... 2015-01-03T18:11:07 < elektrinis> Tectu, yup 2015-01-03T18:11:23 < elektrinis> Fleck, I've been in Riga couple weeks back 2015-01-03T18:11:28 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T18:11:33 < elektrinis> talked a little with taxi driver 2015-01-03T18:11:52 < elektrinis> asked him how do latvians feel, is it okay to live in latvia 2015-01-03T18:12:09 < elektrinis> he says well... we can't understand why lithuanians live better ;D 2015-01-03T18:14:37 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-03T18:15:52 < Fleck> lol, i don't think so 2015-01-03T18:20:34 -!- scummos [scummos@gateway/shell/kde/x-szszqmjsmjjmtudo] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-03T18:20:35 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T18:30:19 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T18:33:21 -!- Tectu_ is now known as Tectu 2015-01-03T18:39:32 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-135-135-150.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T18:39:45 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-190-72-30.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-03T18:41:49 * TheSeven has a weird problem 2015-01-03T18:42:21 < TheSeven> I haven an STM32F107 listening to a UART signal, looking for a break signal and then firing off DMA to capture a packet 2015-01-03T18:43:00 < TheSeven> the timing of that is a bit tight... 2015-01-03T18:43:52 < TheSeven> however I'm observing an issue where no UART IRQs seem to be handled at all, until I try to look what it's doing in the debugger. then it suddenly starts working 2015-01-03T18:44:52 < TheSeven> things like adding and removing a breakpoint in eclipse makes exactly one IRQ get handled properly 2015-01-03T18:45:09 < TheSeven> I'm not aware of any wfi/wfe instructions getting executed 2015-01-03T18:57:10 < TheSeven> adding some GPIO wiggling to the main background polling loop suggests that it is spinning properly - several thousand times per second 2015-01-03T19:05:03 < Rickta59> Yes PaulFertser I have some lpc parts * sorry haven't been following the conversation 2015-01-03T19:06:14 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: the guy was asking for the guidelines to start. 2015-01-03T19:06:18 < Rickta59> ah 2015-01-03T19:06:29 < Rickta59> i probably do it strangely compared to most 2015-01-03T19:06:44 < Rickta59> c++ code with openocd and an stlink from a discovery board 2015-01-03T19:06:54 < PaulFertser> That's the troll who made a simple logic IC show obscene words to his teacher by hiding a PIC inside. 2015-01-03T19:07:39 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: are you using any library to ease peripherals control? 2015-01-03T19:07:47 < Rickta59> just my own spin on stuff 2015-01-03T19:08:11 < PaulFertser> Ok, I see. 2015-01-03T19:08:36 < Rickta59> i have some stuff up on github but it is far out of date from what i have 2015-01-03T19:08:45 < Laurenceb__> anyone here used qgit? 2015-01-03T19:08:59 < Laurenceb__> i cant seem to make it generate patch files correctly 2015-01-03T19:09:25 < Rickta59> which chips was he going to use PaulFertser ? 2015-01-03T19:09:37 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: lpc8xx I guess 2015-01-03T19:09:58 < Rickta59> yeah i have that stuff locally but i've never pushed it up 2015-01-03T19:10:12 < Rickta59> https://github.com/RickKimball/fabooh/tree/master/include/cortex-m0/core 2015-01-03T19:10:25 < Rickta59> that is some stuff for the lpc1114fn28 2015-01-03T19:11:14 < Rickta59> tbh .. 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I don't use ALL features but... nice one! 2015-01-03T21:05:22 < elektrinis> which one? 2015-01-03T21:05:34 < Fleck> sec 2015-01-03T21:05:44 < elektrinis> MikroTik RB750 RouterOS L4 32MB RAM, 5xLAN, Soho Router, plastic case 2015-01-03T21:05:47 < elektrinis> mmmm 2015-01-03T21:05:54 < elektrinis> €40 2015-01-03T21:06:01 < elektrinis> is this one ok? 2015-01-03T21:06:05 < elektrinis> but no wifi 2015-01-03T21:06:26 < Fleck> I have RB751G-2HnD but that's discontinued I believe 2015-01-03T21:06:44 < Fleck> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4031066817 << at the moment 2015-01-03T21:06:57 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@brmn-4d0ac3dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-03T21:07:29 < qyx_> rb951 if you want something new 2015-01-03T21:07:47 < qyx_> elektrinis: |40 for rb750 is too much 2015-01-03T21:07:47 < qyx_> it is like €23 incl vat 2015-01-03T21:07:48 < Fleck> yeah, I guess so 2015-01-03T21:08:10 < elektrinis> mm 2015-01-03T21:08:15 < elektrinis> ok 2015-01-03T21:08:27 < qyx_> or maybe it is more expensive now 2015-01-03T21:08:36 < qyx_> at least it used to be for that price like 2 years ago 2015-01-03T21:09:02 < PaulFertser> elektrinis: tplink works for months without a crash here. Running OpenWrt of course. 2015-01-03T21:09:10 < PaulFertser> Same about d-link btw. 2015-01-03T21:09:28 < elektrinis> mine was running stock, then I went for openwrt 2015-01-03T21:09:40 < qyx_> openwrt and routeros cannot even compare 2015-01-03T21:09:43 < elektrinis> it was a little better, but still had many crashes 2015-01-03T21:09:54 < Fleck> http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD << this one got gigabit ports 2015-01-03T21:10:06 < elektrinis> so I connected it to timer, to power off during night 2015-01-03T21:10:10 < qyx_> it is true that mikrotik is abusing opensource, but they are doing a good job at it 2015-01-03T21:10:20 < elektrinis> this also gave it a restart once a day 2015-01-03T21:10:24 < PaulFertser> There's also professional gear from Ubiquity. UBNT. 2015-01-03T21:10:29 < Fleck> qyx_: why is that? 2015-01-03T21:10:33 < elektrinis> and still it manages to crash couple time a day 2015-01-03T21:10:54 < qyx_> Fleck: it is just refurbished linux with many proprietary extensions and *usable* CLI 2015-01-03T21:11:02 < PaulFertser> qyx_: oh come on, OpenWrt is a real general-purpose OS, and allows you to do anything reasonably possible. RouterOS is lame. 2015-01-03T21:11:11 < elektrinis> €65 for RB951G is ok? 2015-01-03T21:11:27 < qyx_> PaulFertser: i used both, if we are talking about network gear, i won't use openwrt again 2015-01-03T21:11:31 < Fleck> elektrinis: there are many RB951 models 2015-01-03T21:11:36 < PaulFertser> qyx_: are you probably a cisco cli fan? 2015-01-03T21:11:43 < Fleck> qyx_: so? 2015-01-03T21:11:44 < qyx_> PaulFertser: no, i hate cisco cli 2015-01-03T21:12:02 < elektrinis> http://www.kilobaitas.lt/Beviele_iranga/MikroTik/MikroTik_RB951G-2HnD_RouterOS_/MT_RB951G-2HnD/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_558&ID=486785&L=LT 2015-01-03T21:12:06 < elektrinis> pardon the language 2015-01-03T21:12:17 < elektrinis> 128MB RAM is not bad i guess 2015-01-03T21:12:22 < PaulFertser> qyx_: with OpenWrt you can edit configs with any text editor, have comments inside etc etc. How does that compare with mikrotic shell? 2015-01-03T21:12:36 < qyx_> PaulFertser: you can do the same, even the comments 2015-01-03T21:12:51 < qyx_> and also you have usable gui configuration tool and web interface 2015-01-03T21:13:35 < qyx_> if you mean vim or emacs, then no, you cannot use them 2015-01-03T21:13:38 < qyx_> why would i? 2015-01-03T21:14:07 < PaulFertser> qyx_: well, if you can have comments and temporary/special config versions ok, but what about external packages? Can you run an IRC bouncer there or torrent tracker or some fancy solution to soft-bridge IPv6 if your ISP is a stupid one and gives only a single /64 subnet? 2015-01-03T21:14:36 < qyx_> again, i am talking about network gear 2015-01-03T21:14:45 < qyx_> there should be no such things on a network router 2015-01-03T21:14:57 < PaulFertser> Well, yes, that's one way to go about it. 2015-01-03T21:15:03 < qyx_> (irc, torrents) 2015-01-03T21:15:04 < PaulFertser> From a neteng PoV certainly. 2015-01-03T21:15:46 < qyx_> and it supports ipv4/ipv6 tunnels 2015-01-03T21:15:51 < Robint91> I follow qyx_ on this one, a router needs to do just routing stuff/basic networking 2015-01-03T21:15:54 < PaulFertser> It's not always enough 2015-01-03T21:16:03 < Robint91> dhcp/dns/wifi 2015-01-03T21:16:18 < Robint91> maybe vpn 2015-01-03T21:16:30 < PaulFertser> Robint91: if you already have a powerful computer (inside a soho router) running all the time, why spend electricity and space on another one if the "router" is powerful enough? 2015-01-03T21:16:33 < elektrinis> TP-Link TL-WR941N/ND v2 2015-01-03T21:16:41 < elektrinis> here's what I'm having problems with 2015-01-03T21:16:56 < TheSeven> in an enterprise environment that might be true, for home users who don't have anything besides their router running 24/7 and stability is much less of a concern, openwrt is nice 2015-01-03T21:17:07 < qyx_> but then we are talking about multipurpose home bricks 2015-01-03T21:17:12 < Robint91> PaulFertser, an 600MHz CPU is only enough to do some serious stable routing 2015-01-03T21:17:21 < Robint91> with the movign to gigbit connections 2015-01-03T21:17:22 < qyx_> incl media sharing, printer sharing, etc, etc. 2015-01-03T21:17:47 < Robint91> I HATE UNSTABLE ROUTERS 2015-01-03T21:18:05 < PaulFertser> Robint91: I had an impression that for routing (not NATing!) that's much more than enough. 2015-01-03T21:18:29 < Robint91> PaulFertser, Include NAT 2015-01-03T21:18:40 < qyx_> for example.. i need to restart our openwrt router, because it fails every week and doesn't want to authenticate users using 802.1x 2015-01-03T21:18:47 < PaulFertser> I exclude NAT because it's a dirty useless filthy hack. 2015-01-03T21:19:05 < Robint91> PaulFertser, you can't ditch ipv4 yet 2015-01-03T21:19:22 < qyx_> and i have not that much spare time to investigate and fix the issue if it is running okay on other routers 2015-01-03T21:19:31 < PaulFertser> Robint91: I can leave without gigabit on it. In fact, 600 MHz is probably not enough to do software NAT on gigabit. 2015-01-03T21:20:00 < qyx_> no,, about 300mbit 2015-01-03T21:20:17 < qyx_> but you are usually not natting full gigabit 2015-01-03T21:20:34 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@brmn-4d0acad8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T21:20:45 < Fleck> PaulFertser: probably? :D I can tell you - it's not in software mode! :P 2015-01-03T21:20:46 < qyx_> (300 without firewall rules and nearly empty conntrack table) 2015-01-03T21:20:46 < PaulFertser> If you've choosen the gear wisely, you get serious enterprise-level features with OpenWrt on SOHO equipment. If not, you get crashes. But OpenWrt can seriously compete with Microtik and Ubiquity on their enterprise field. Given proper hardware of course. 2015-01-03T21:21:57 < PaulFertser> Fleck: hw nat acceleration is still not in upstream kernel so meh. Also, there're known issues with it, so soho vendors do provide a user-configurable knob in their shit-firmware. 2015-01-03T21:23:20 < Fleck> also some info you can get here: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/router/view 2015-01-03T21:30:30 < PaulFertser> qyx_: not to troll, but I really wonder if it's a point to consider for a professional environment that if you have a bunch of hardware running OpenWrt and you have issues, you can hire a local dev to fix them, and with proprietary gear you have to count on the vendor? And also that in some cases you might want additional features or probably hacks that are not available in your specific version 2015-01-03T21:30:36 < PaulFertser> for marketing reasons? 2015-01-03T21:31:36 < qyx_> this approach was tested many times (fixing by developers) and generally doesn't work 2015-01-03T21:31:52 < PaulFertser> (regarding proper editors, I meant you can use your favourite editor on your host via ssh/scp) 2015-01-03T21:32:31 < PaulFertser> qyx_: is it problematic to find a qualified dev or problematic to hire him or her? 2015-01-03T21:33:03 < qyx_> the first one 2015-01-03T21:33:12 < qyx_> and it is not cheap 2015-01-03T21:33:12 < qyx_> and all the fixes will vanish with next update 2015-01-03T21:33:12 < qyx_> or at least many of them will be incompatible 2015-01-03T21:34:07 < PaulFertser> But sane devs push fixes upstream? 2015-01-03T21:34:12 < PaulFertser> I really do not know how it works. 2015-01-03T21:34:15 < qyx_> i got really bored with patching and recompiling kernel every time an important update became available 2015-01-03T21:34:27 < PaulFertser> I have no choice here but to use OpenWrt actually, so can't see the full picture. 2015-01-03T21:34:32 < qyx_> meh, sane 2015-01-03T21:34:48 < TheSeven> PaulFertser: making a patch that will get accepted upstream is typically much more work then solving your local problem 2015-01-03T21:35:00 < qyx_> sometimes even enterprise gear don't work 2015-01-03T21:35:05 < qyx_> and actually it is quite often 2015-01-03T21:35:16 < TheSeven> and in many cases it might be controversial whether whatever the patch does is a good idea in the first place 2015-01-03T21:35:46 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: well, I guess I can imagine that, as I had some fixes upstream. 2015-01-03T21:36:24 < qyx_> i just use things which cause as little additional work for me as possible 2015-01-03T21:36:32 < PaulFertser> qyx_: so everything sucks but in the long run enterprise gear sucks less? 2015-01-03T21:36:58 < TheSeven> it's probably also a matter of how much you value the time that you invest into getting things running 2015-01-03T21:37:09 < qyx_> i would rather say that you just don't care anymore if you use ent. gear 2015-01-03T21:37:14 < TheSeven> in an enterprise environment you typically have to get things running quickly, and cost is much less of a factor 2015-01-03T21:37:20 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-03T21:37:24 < PaulFertser> I imagined enterprise can pay for the devs time so the issue gets investigated, discussed, and fixed upstream properly in the end. 2015-01-03T21:37:33 < qyx_> if the nonworking part is really blocking, you just return it and wait 2015-01-03T21:37:43 < TheSeven> for the typical open source developer tinkering with the stuff that he uses at home, time is much less of a factor, but cost often is 2015-01-03T21:38:13 < qyx_> and normally i am not a fant of enterprise setups 2015-01-03T21:38:56 < qyx_> but if i know that when i buy rb433 and insert two rb52 wifi cards inside.. and can make local repeater in ~2mins, i just buy it 2015-01-03T21:39:39 < PaulFertser> Yep, that's a nice think about mikrotik boards. 2015-01-03T21:40:45 < qyx_> also, when i enable DFS mode (802.11h) in mikrotik and it is sold as ETSI certified for that usage, i know that it probably works 2015-01-03T21:40:45 < qyx_> it was pain to get that working on openwrt 2015-01-03T21:40:52 < PaulFertser> qyx_: well, repeater? How do you "repeat" layer 2 in that setup? 2015-01-03T21:41:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T21:41:16 < qyx_> repeater in a more general sense, we were using routing actually with ospf 2015-01-03T21:41:29 < PaulFertser> Regulations really suck, no wonder it took so long for DFS to appear in free software drivers... 2015-01-03T21:41:47 < PaulFertser> Ah, cool, that's sane. 2015-01-03T21:41:51 < qyx_> it connected with 5G radio to a backbone and provided 2.4G to clients 2015-01-03T21:42:23 < qyx_> and backbone was made of rb433 and ubnt routerstations 2015-01-03T21:42:27 < qyx_> with mikrotik & openwrt 2015-01-03T21:42:42 < qyx_> ubnt used to use openwrt wneh they started selling boards 2015-01-03T21:43:05 < PaulFertser> Yes, then switched to proprietary atheros driver etc. 2015-01-03T21:46:41 < PaulFertser> Sometime ago Atheros devs started to contribute to OpenWrt directly, I guess that says something about usefullness of this OS. Seems qualcomm laid the majority of real devs off by now though. 2015-01-03T21:47:09 < qyx_> qualcomm is meh in many ways 2015-01-03T21:48:33 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/k5xrNTP.jpg 2015-01-03T21:48:43 < qyx_> i tied cnc-ing a hammond box 2015-01-03T21:48:54 < qyx_> but the connectors do not fit :S 2015-01-03T21:49:08 < emeb_mac> a buddy of mine worked there for a year. wasn't impressed. 2015-01-03T22:06:42 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@87.19.48.151] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-03T22:13:42 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@87.19.48.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T22:22:24 -!- alan5__ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T22:22:41 -!- alan5__ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-03T22:25:47 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-03T22:44:36 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T22:47:08 < decimad> Rickta59: You're not alone... 2015-01-03T22:47:20 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T22:54:28 * KreAture_ has found the bug causing spurious and unwanted zlp in stm32f407 lib usb stuff 2015-01-03T22:54:30 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-03T22:55:31 < KreAture_> didn't improve throughput more than 1 packet/second 2015-01-03T22:55:35 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-03T23:07:52 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-03T23:10:34 < KreAture_> http://snag.gy/b4Jxi.jpg 2015-01-03T23:10:40 < KreAture_> hurray 411kbyte/s 2015-01-03T23:10:48 < KreAture_> using larger write blocks from windows 2015-01-03T23:11:01 < KreAture_> atleast I know my code wasn't what was holding it back 2015-01-03T23:11:01 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-03T23:11:32 < Fleck> congrats KreAture_! :) 2015-01-03T23:20:35 < KreAture_> still way less than I would hav expected 2015-01-03T23:20:44 < KreAture_> especially since it is hardly sending anything back 2015-01-03T23:22:43 < Laurenceb__> heh hammod 2015-01-03T23:22:51 < Laurenceb__> their shit is always scratched 2015-01-03T23:23:15 < Robint91> KreAture_, that is indeed a bit low 2015-01-03T23:23:31 < Robint91> KreAture_, what is the size of the endpoints? 2015-01-03T23:23:40 < KreAture_> Robint91 but it is higher than most any I find talking about the stm32 2015-01-03T23:23:41 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-03T23:23:56 < KreAture_> I am using my own fifo on the endpoint 2015-01-03T23:24:02 < KreAture_> it is 8k 2015-01-03T23:24:25 < KreAture_> and I am filling it fully before discarding it and answering "ok" 2015-01-03T23:24:26 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-03T23:24:43 < KreAture_> (to avoid turning the channel too much) 2015-01-03T23:24:58 < KreAture_> I had to increase the write size on the host side to 8k too to get good throughput 2015-01-03T23:25:06 < KreAture_> windows maxes out at 16k it seems 2015-01-03T23:25:16 < KreAture_> but I found best performance at 8k 2015-01-03T23:27:17 < Robint91> isn't 8k huge as endpoint size? 2015-01-03T23:27:34 < KreAture_> waddya mean ? 2015-01-03T23:27:42 < KreAture_> the packets are 64k 2015-01-03T23:27:45 < KreAture_> err 64 bytes 2015-01-03T23:28:04 < KreAture_> and I really don't get what you are saying about endpoint "size" 2015-01-03T23:28:20 < KreAture_> the endpoint is a tiny definition in the stm32 that declares it's existance 2015-01-03T23:28:29 < KreAture_> and registers a device class with it and certain callbacks 2015-01-03T23:29:01 < KreAture_> one of my callbacks is the handling of the vcp input fifo buffer 2015-01-03T23:29:29 < KreAture_> I let the actual cdc do the data transfers into the target buffers so as to avoid duplicate movement of data 2015-01-03T23:29:32 < KreAture_> (for speed) 2015-01-03T23:29:47 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-03T23:29:50 < KreAture_> I can adjust the fifo size later 2015-01-03T23:29:56 < KreAture_> right now I just wanted to see it move fast 2015-01-03T23:30:00 < KreAture_> I get same throughput at 4k 2015-01-03T23:30:10 < KreAture_> just have to use 8k writes on the host side 2015-01-03T23:32:55 < Robint91> KreAture_, http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/benchmark_usb_serial_receive.html 2015-01-03T23:34:23 < KreAture_> seen that 2015-01-03T23:34:27 < KreAture_> any using stm32 ? 2015-01-03T23:34:30 < KreAture_> in fs mode ? 2015-01-03T23:34:33 < Robint91> maple 2015-01-03T23:34:38 < KreAture_> maple maby ? 2015-01-03T23:34:39 < KreAture_> haha 2015-01-03T23:34:48 < KreAture_> well I crushed that 2015-01-03T23:34:49 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-03T23:36:14 < KreAture_> what usb stack did maple use then ? 2015-01-03T23:36:29 < Robint91> I guess ST's 2015-01-03T23:36:35 < Robint91> but it is a stm32f103 2015-01-03T23:37:27 < KreAture_> ahh 2015-01-03T23:37:40 < KreAture_> well, the fixes I've done to the stack should help a bit, mostly on stability 2015-01-03T23:37:51 < Laurenceb__> i wonder if anyone has got better than 900k for mass stoRAGE on F103 2015-01-03T23:38:32 < KreAture_> 900k is good, but I don't think f407 is as good 2015-01-03T23:38:37 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-01-03T23:38:53 < Robint91> KreAture_, mhh 407 can go faster 2015-01-03T23:38:55 < Robint91> much faster 2015-01-03T23:39:07 < KreAture_> ONLY in HS mode 2015-01-03T23:39:12 < KreAture_> it's FS stuff sucks 2015-01-03T23:39:52 < KreAture_> omg 2015-01-03T23:39:57 < Laurenceb__> i managed 900k with rewritten st mass storage class stuff 2015-01-03T23:40:07 < Laurenceb__> using DMA for µSD 2015-01-03T23:40:18 < KreAture_> I opened the "creditcard and emergency charge sleeve/holder" I got from my brother for xmas 2015-01-03T23:40:35 < KreAture_> yeah I want to do dma 2015-01-03T23:40:40 < KreAture_> right now it hangs if I try 2015-01-03T23:40:41 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-03T23:40:51 < KreAture_> anyway, this sleeve is thick as a brick! 2015-01-03T23:41:00 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger 2015-01-03T23:41:00 < KreAture_> and what is worse, the usb it contains is a socket 2015-01-03T23:41:05 < KreAture_> you effing have to have a cable! 2015-01-03T23:41:09 < Laurenceb__> some of my abandonware 2015-01-03T23:41:20 < KreAture_> so you have to bring the cardsleeve with a cable and the phone to charge 2015-01-03T23:41:26 < KreAture_> awsome 2015-01-03T23:41:29 < KreAture_> looking 2015-01-03T23:42:14 < KreAture_> anyone wanna buy a neat real leather extra battery and cardholder ? 2015-01-03T23:42:18 < KreAture_> very nice (caugh caugh) 2015-01-03T23:42:35 < KreAture_> http://seyvr.com/ 2015-01-03T23:42:37 < KreAture_> this shit 2015-01-03T23:42:47 < KreAture_> look how thin it is 2015-01-03T23:44:32 < Laurenceb__> lol Fubarino 2015-01-03T23:44:50 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-03T23:44:56 < KreAture_> shit it's worth $100 2015-01-03T23:45:00 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-03T23:45:09 < KreAture_> well, then I better give it away than toss it in a bin 2015-01-03T23:46:33 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYx4f6i0swI 2015-01-03T23:53:00 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-03T23:57:10 < Robint91> anybody know of optimized SHA1 for ARM? 2015-01-03T23:57:21 < Robint91> and HMAC-SHA1? --- Day changed Sun Jan 04 2015 2015-01-04T00:02:52 < zyp> optimized as in timing-attack vulnerable? 2015-01-04T00:03:24 < Laurenceb__> non-homo 2015-01-04T00:04:42 < Robint91> zyp, speed 2015-01-04T00:04:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-04T00:05:27 < Robint91> zyp, timing-attack is no problem 2015-01-04T00:05:52 < KreAture_> hey zyp got 411k on the vcp stack :) 2015-01-04T00:08:24 < zyp> trying to make it as large as possible? :) 2015-01-04T00:10:48 < KreAture_> 411kbyte/s 2015-01-04T00:10:49 < KreAture_> fast 2015-01-04T00:22:12 < zyp> oh, speed 2015-01-04T00:22:27 < zyp> that sounds slow 2015-01-04T00:22:49 < KreAture_> considering soneone saying they got mass storage up to 900 it is 2015-01-04T00:22:56 < KreAture_> they used dma though 2015-01-04T00:23:00 < KreAture_> trying to see if that explains it 2015-01-04T00:23:09 < zyp> dma is pointless for FS 2015-01-04T00:23:25 < KreAture_> after all, from the point I get a note from hw saying I can deliver data to fifo, till I actually get to it, time passes 2015-01-04T00:23:32 < KreAture_> are you sure? 2015-01-04T00:23:39 < zyp> hang on 2015-01-04T00:23:41 < KreAture_> It appears I am too slow, and have to take the next packet slot 2015-01-04T00:23:51 < KreAture_> result is lowering max throughput 2015-01-04T00:24:08 < KreAture_> atleast that's my theory 2015-01-04T00:24:09 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-04T00:24:14 < zyp> I have some traces from when I were playing around with mass storage 2015-01-04T00:24:39 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/5pyzn.png 2015-01-04T00:24:47 < zyp> this is on F4 without DMA 2015-01-04T00:25:00 < KreAture_> My USBlyzer traces show 12.6ms to do a 4096 byte write to the device, and a 2-3ms delay before it prepares next one 2015-01-04T00:25:13 < zyp> the target is a slow SD card and I don't do any sort of prefetching 2015-01-04T00:25:36 < zyp> so the MCU fetches a new sector from the SD card every eight USB packet 2015-01-04T00:26:05 < zyp> the [n POLL] figure is how many times the host polled and got a NAK before finally receiving data 2015-01-04T00:26:31 < KreAture_> see, you are at 69us delta between packets 2015-01-04T00:26:32 < KreAture_> that is fs 2015-01-04T00:26:36 < KreAture_> I am at twice that 2015-01-04T00:26:37 < zyp> and as you see, only the packets that needed to wait for the SD card is not answered n the first poll 2015-01-04T00:26:45 < KreAture_> so I think I simply are missing the triggerpoint 2015-01-04T00:26:50 < KreAture_> and have to fit next packet 2015-01-04T00:27:27 < KreAture_> when you do send data you do so very tightly 2015-01-04T00:27:32 < KreAture_> My traces show I do not 2015-01-04T00:28:37 < KreAture_> I have a systick every 1ms and I log fractional systics in my internal sram log 2015-01-04T00:28:48 < KreAture_> It does appear I am not receiving every packet intervall 2015-01-04T00:29:03 < zyp> anyway, my point it that it's perfectly possible to saturate FS USB without using DMA 2015-01-04T00:29:20 < KreAture_> This may be from the code which is set to prepare a receive of a single 64 byte buffer 2015-01-04T00:29:25 < KreAture_> then if room, receive another 2015-01-04T00:29:26 < KreAture_> etc 2015-01-04T00:29:41 < KreAture_> yes it probably is 2015-01-04T00:29:47 < KreAture_> I am just lookinug at ways to speed up my stack 2015-01-04T00:29:55 < KreAture_> maby it is as simple as the prepare stuff 2015-01-04T00:30:07 < KreAture_> after all, you cannot get packets back 2 back if you prepare fo 1 packet and not a multi transfer 2015-01-04T00:30:17 < KreAture_> I guess I need to prepare for much larger receive 2015-01-04T00:30:28 < KreAture_> which is where endpoint size comes into play I guess 2015-01-04T00:30:33 < zyp> no 2015-01-04T00:30:41 < KreAture_> Unfortunately the code is very rigid on that 2015-01-04T00:30:43 < zyp> you have no choice on endpoint size 2015-01-04T00:30:53 < KreAture_> I did test and I could prepare 128 bytes instead 2015-01-04T00:30:55 < zyp> FS USB bulk dictates 64B 2015-01-04T00:31:02 < KreAture_> no it doesn't 2015-01-04T00:31:08 < KreAture_> it dictates single packet size 64b 2015-01-04T00:31:10 < zyp> sure it does, read the spec 2015-01-04T00:31:18 < KreAture_> NOT how many you want to prepare for a bulk receive on your out endpoint 2015-01-04T00:31:31 < zyp> of course, but that's what endpoint size is 2015-01-04T00:31:41 < KreAture_> if it had it would ignore the total and it doesnot 2015-01-04T00:31:46 < zyp> transfers can be arbitrarly large 2015-01-04T00:31:50 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-04T00:31:53 < KreAture_> but not in the stack I use 2015-01-04T00:31:56 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-04T00:32:05 < KreAture_> it's very rigidly written 2015-01-04T00:32:12 < KreAture_> and it's something I am playing with adjusting 2015-01-04T00:32:24 < zyp> my stack currently only operates with packets 2015-01-04T00:33:02 < zyp> so class driver code needs to take care of transfer logic if required 2015-01-04T00:33:23 < KreAture_> some places it uses VCP_DATA_MAX_PACKET_SIZE which is using CDC_DATA_HS_MAX_PACKET_SIZE 2015-01-04T00:33:33 < KreAture_> err sorry 2015-01-04T00:33:35 < KreAture_> CDC_DATA_FS_MAX_PACKET_SIZE 2015-01-04T00:33:43 < zyp> heh 2015-01-04T00:33:49 < KreAture_> but that is packet size 2015-01-04T00:34:36 < zyp> FS bulk is always 64, HS bulk is always 512 2015-01-04T00:34:57 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-04T00:35:08 < KreAture_> but let's see what happens if I prepare for 8 at a time 8x64 2015-01-04T00:35:15 < KreAture_> instead of one by one 2015-01-04T00:35:22 < zyp> which chip is this? 2015-01-04T00:35:56 < zyp> the dwc_otg core has some transfer logic in hardware 2015-01-04T00:36:58 < zyp> which I'm not using 2015-01-04T00:37:18 < zyp> it's mostly useful when you make room for multiple packets in the fifo 2015-01-04T00:37:29 < KreAture_> stm32f407 2015-01-04T00:37:39 < KreAture_> exactly 2015-01-04T00:37:56 < KreAture_> but you can send faster than you can receive directly 2015-01-04T00:38:05 < KreAture_> after all, as soon as the txfifo is empty you can fill it 2015-01-04T00:38:32 < KreAture_> but when going the other way you prepare for a receive 2015-01-04T00:38:37 < zyp> and as soon as the rxfifo is empty, the host can fill it 2015-01-04T00:38:51 < zyp> there's the same transfer logic there 2015-01-04T00:38:52 < KreAture_> and then when you get the data and prepare for another receive, the hw is nac'ing the request to send more 2015-01-04T00:38:56 < KreAture_> so you loose some package slots 2015-01-04T00:39:02 < KreAture_> no 2015-01-04T00:39:14 < KreAture_> unless you prepare for a receive it cannot fill the fifo again 2015-01-04T00:39:29 < KreAture_> in my code the librray callback has to run first to decide if it wants and can fit another packet 2015-01-04T00:39:34 < KreAture_> meanwhile life passes it by 2015-01-04T00:39:42 < KreAture_> packets are very closely spaced 2015-01-04T00:39:49 < KreAture_> or bandwidth would be lost 2015-01-04T00:39:54 < zyp> like I said, there's transfer logic in the hardware, you can prepare for a multi-packet receive 2015-01-04T00:39:58 < zyp> just like sending 2015-01-04T00:40:36 < KreAture_> maxpacket is 64k on stm32f407 2015-01-04T00:40:42 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-04T00:40:45 < KreAture_> but I am not 2015-01-04T00:40:50 < KreAture_> and it is receive that is too slow for me 2015-01-04T00:40:54 < KreAture_> you are doing send 2015-01-04T00:41:09 < KreAture_> I think it is easier to send tightly 2015-01-04T00:41:13 < zyp> I haven't made any claims towards what you're doing, I'm just saying what the hardware supports 2015-01-04T00:41:20 < KreAture_> because you can do so in a loop actively polling 2015-01-04T00:41:28 < emeryth> since you guys seem to know about USB I have a question: I'm working on a project on F103 that uses USB serial port from the ST USB Lib, and it seems that USB is disrupting some DMA transfers I am performing 2015-01-04T00:41:33 < KreAture_> But you have been very helpfull in pointing me into the right direction 2015-01-04T00:41:44 < emeryth> is it possible to fix it? 2015-01-04T00:41:50 < KreAture_> will be interesting to see a larger rx 2015-01-04T00:42:01 < emeryth> the DMA transfers are for driving WS2811 LEDs so the timing must be tight 2015-01-04T00:42:20 < zyp> emeryth, disrupting how? 2015-01-04T00:43:31 < emeryth> some of the bits get sent wrong, I can see random leds flickering from time to time 2015-01-04T00:43:46 < zyp> I've got a project where I'm driving WS2128B leds with DMA on F303 which has the same usb core, and I haven't had any problems 2015-01-04T00:43:47 < emeryth> I'm transfering from memory to GPIO, DMA triggered by timer 2015-01-04T00:44:11 < emeryth> If I don't enable USB I don't have this effect 2015-01-04T00:44:12 < zyp> oh 2015-01-04T00:44:23 < zyp> why would you do that? 2015-01-04T00:44:51 < zyp> why aren't you using output compare in the timer? 2015-01-04T00:45:31 < emeryth> this way I get lots of parallel channels 2015-01-04T00:46:14 < emeryth> the teensy 3 ws2811 library does it this way, seemed like a good idea 2015-01-04T00:46:21 < zyp> DMA to GPIO means bus contention will have a direct effect on timing, DMA to output compare and preload enabled means you have the full bit period available 2015-01-04T00:47:38 < zyp> it's pretty natural that the timing in your case will be skewed when you have a lot of other traffic on the same memory bus, i.e. usb data 2015-01-04T00:50:28 < emeryth> with the output compare way, can I get 4 simultaneus ws2811 channels? 2015-01-04T00:51:13 < zyp> using a dma job for each, I guess 2015-01-04T00:55:13 < emeryth> OC was my original idea, but I realized there are no hardware DMA triggers for all of the channels of the timer I wanted to use 2015-01-04T01:01:49 -!- Robint91 [~teecom@d54c37d92.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T01:27:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-04T01:29:16 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-04T01:29:29 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-199-255-218-99.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T01:30:51 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-199-255-218-99.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T01:36:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T01:37:23 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC 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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bQ17RQvKTJg#t=108 2015-01-04T02:24:46 < emeb_mac> SHOOT ALL THE THINGS 2015-01-04T02:25:04 < emeb_mac> just take it to Wal-Mart and let the toddlers have at it. 2015-01-04T02:25:50 < qyx_> meh, exactly one transformer is missing :S 2015-01-04T02:26:51 < emeb_mac> on what? 2015-01-04T02:26:54 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-04T02:30:47 < zyp> KreAture_, still seems slow 2015-01-04T02:30:56 < zyp> what does the firmware do with the received data? 2015-01-04T02:31:05 < KreAture_> nothing 2015-01-04T02:31:17 < KreAture_> I tried 16 but no change 2015-01-04T02:31:30 < KreAture_> but 64 to 64*8 was a lot bettere 2015-01-04T02:31:32 < zyp> so it's moved from rxfifo to ram, and then just not used anymore? 2015-01-04T02:31:38 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-04T02:32:02 < KreAture_> done by the library as the target buffer is set to a point inside the fifo 2015-01-04T02:32:25 < KreAture_> Not possible with dma I think due to the 4 byte alignment requirement, yes? 2015-01-04T02:32:53 < zyp> in my stack the callback is called with the data still in the rxfifo, and then it's responsible for reading it if it wants it, otherwise the packet is just dropped 2015-01-04T02:33:06 < KreAture_> yeh 2015-01-04T02:33:15 < KreAture_> still, I was setting up a receive of 64 bytes 2015-01-04T02:33:18 < KreAture_> now I do 8x64 2015-01-04T02:33:29 < KreAture_> that allows it to hook onto multiple packets in a sequence 2015-01-04T02:33:36 < KreAture_> it is definately faster 2015-01-04T02:34:14 < zyp> hmm, I'm kinda tempted to throw together something equivalent with my code and have you compare the results 2015-01-04T02:34:46 < zyp> would you be interested in testing? 2015-01-04T02:34:56 < KreAture_> could do 2015-01-04T02:35:02 < KreAture_> but really this is theoretical 2015-01-04T02:35:10 < KreAture_> I need to use it as I do now for OS compatibility 2015-01-04T02:35:27 < KreAture_> I am running a 1000 systick/sec os in paralell with this, allocating 4 threads 2015-01-04T02:35:41 < KreAture_> one of the threads is synched with a semaphore and is running the receive stuff 2015-01-04T02:36:04 < KreAture_> so far I am not releasing curent thread immediately if the semaphore activates another thread 2015-01-04T02:36:12 < KreAture_> that could speed stuff up 2015-01-04T02:37:23 < zyp> right 2015-01-04T02:37:54 < zyp> well, I don't have time to throw together something now anyway 2015-01-04T02:38:25 < KreAture_> Hmm, no change 2015-01-04T02:38:26 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-04T02:39:00 < KreAture_> I now do the yielding when higher priority thread woke up from my semaphore 2015-01-04T02:39:04 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-04T02:40:21 < zyp> but does the other threads currently do anything? 2015-01-04T02:40:44 < zyp> I'm curious whether this is a device side issue at all, or if it's the host side driver being slow 2015-01-04T02:42:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-04T02:43:03 < Fleck> right? :D 2015-01-04T02:44:13 < KreAture_> zyp yes, check some buttons and stuff 2015-01-04T02:44:22 < KreAture_> zyp I think it is both 2015-01-04T02:44:35 < KreAture_> the bulk receive worked wonders for upping the speed a bit more 2015-01-04T02:44:42 < KreAture_> but I think now I am closer to a new limit 2015-01-04T02:44:48 < KreAture_> I tried larger writes with no luck 2015-01-04T02:44:55 < KreAture_> I also tried chaining larger reads 2015-01-04T02:44:57 < KreAture_> no luck 2015-01-04T02:45:17 < KreAture_> buffering more data just brings me closer to 512kbyte/s 2015-01-04T02:45:24 < KreAture_> which seems to be some magic limit 2015-01-04T02:45:35 < KreAture_> It may be other traffic on the bus though 2015-01-04T02:46:00 < KreAture_> I see by usblyzer I am on same hub as another usb vcp chip 2015-01-04T02:46:07 < KreAture_> and also my debugger 2015-01-04T02:48:28 < KreAture_> I think I need to pull some other wires out from behind my desk 2015-01-04T02:48:29 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-04T02:54:16 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-155.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T03:06:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T03:08:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-04T03:11:50 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-04T03:15:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-99-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-04T03:21:25 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-04T03:32:08 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T03:41:55 < yan_> i'm using stm32l1 and trying to trigger EXTI on a falling edge. I'm running into an issue where the line is already low when exti is configured, and it doesn't trigger until the next cycle. is there a way to force exti to trigger if the input line is already low? 2015-01-04T03:42:25 < yan_> i can just check the pin and call the isr directly, but then it won't be in an isr's context 2015-01-04T03:54:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T04:04:45 < kakeman> what do you think about lattice fpgas? 2015-01-04T04:06:43 < dongs> zyp: 0.215$/ea 2015-01-04T04:08:29 < zyp> so that's approx $100 total plus shipping? 2015-01-04T04:09:54 < zyp> and that's with all the connectors? 2015-01-04T04:13:38 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@brmn-4d0acad8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-04T04:20:55 < karlp> kakeman: iirc, "they're fine, but none of the tutorials and samples and demos out there are for lattice" 2015-01-04T04:21:11 < karlp> upgrdman is doing some stuff with one currently iirc 2015-01-04T04:21:23 < karlp> (but I've never used them) 2015-01-04T04:29:47 < dongs> zyp: correct 2015-01-04T04:29:49 < dongs> 5 days to make 2015-01-04T04:30:25 < dongs> i forgot how much was the other place, but im sure it was rape 2015-01-04T04:31:47 < dongs> wtf vimeo is down 2015-01-04T04:33:34 < gxti> shoulda used REAL PRO site like liveleak 2015-01-04T04:34:27 < kakeman> for what? 2015-01-04T04:34:54 < gxti> ask dongie 2015-01-04T04:41:33 < dongs> zyp, emailing invoice 2015-01-04T04:41:58 < emeb_mac> the bill comes due 2015-01-04T04:42:15 < emeb_mac> render unto dongs the things that are dongs' 2015-01-04T04:42:22 < yan_> are there reasons why exti isr to not be triggrered? i configure exti to trigger on falling edge, print the value of a pin and it's 1. then check the value some time later and it's 0, but the ISR was not triggered 2015-01-04T04:42:55 < yan_> i enable exti irq in nvic, select the gpio source, set trigger, then enable it 2015-01-04T04:44:43 < yan_> i.e. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/922eb7e29f53fd7e9c88 2015-01-04T04:45:00 < yan_> i get the pin changing, but it exti1_isr is not invoked.. (this is using libopencm3 w/ stm32l1) 2015-01-04T04:46:01 < qyx_> wat, gpio13? 2015-01-04T04:46:44 < zyp> dongs, yeah, other place was like $.6 2015-01-04T04:46:51 < dongs> nice 2015-01-04T04:46:53 < qyx_> see the refman, i assume EXTI1 means channel 1 2015-01-04T04:46:55 < dongs> fucking scammers 2015-01-04T04:47:08 < dongs> will surprise if this place will shrinkwrap spade to wire :) 2015-01-04T04:47:12 < dongs> like tehy did on the JST 2015-01-04T04:47:16 < zyp> haha 2015-01-04T04:47:22 < yan_> qyx_: err sorry, it's actually GPIO11, 2015-01-04T04:47:44 < dongs> so you should be using exti9_15 or someshit 2015-01-04T04:47:47 < dongs> not exti1 2015-01-04T04:47:57 < dongs> GPIOxx = EXTIxx = LINExx 2015-01-04T04:48:02 < dongs> where xx is ~same 2015-01-04T04:48:03 < qyx_> yan_: that will trigger on GPIOB1 2015-01-04T04:50:31 < qyx_> also see SYSCFG_EXTICRx registers, there are tables showing assignments of gpio pins to exti channels 2015-01-04T04:51:45 < GargantuaSauce> i guess it implictly enables the syscfg clock? 2015-01-04T04:52:39 < qyx_> mhm, does stm32 pll do spreading? 2015-01-04T04:55:41 < dongs> spread that spectrum 2015-01-04T04:58:24 < yan_> qyx_: hm totally misunderstood how exti works then. not sure why it was working occasionally earlier. i've updated it to be the correct exti channel now though, and i'm getting identical behavior (i.e. edges not being triggered on).. code: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ffc96643c0529898ee8e 2015-01-04T04:59:22 -!- R0b0t1` [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-04T05:00:24 < dongs> that should work. 2015-01-04T05:00:38 < dongs> why thefuck are you printf debugging tho 2015-01-04T05:01:18 < yan_> only have 4bps.. 2015-01-04T05:01:34 < yan_> i'm actually trying to get this damn ble chip working so i can dump messages over ble faster than usart/printf debugging 2015-01-04T05:04:06 < qyx_> exti_enable_request(GPIO11); 2015-01-04T05:04:10 < qyx_> are you sure this is correct? 2015-01-04T05:04:26 < dongs> ya that might be LINE11? 2015-01-04T05:04:28 < dongs> or hweatever 2015-01-04T05:04:33 < dongs> man libopencm3 sucks 2015-01-04T05:04:35 < dongs> shitty syntax 2015-01-04T05:04:40 < qyx_> also exti_select_source(GPIO11, GPIOB); 2015-01-04T05:04:45 < qyx_> doesnt make sense much 2015-01-04T05:04:53 < yan_> GPIO11 is equivalent to EXTI11 so i used that value since it was #defined 2015-01-04T05:05:21 < qyx_> it is totally unreadable this way 2015-01-04T05:07:13 < qyx_> i can't tell you how you should use it as i don't see any api documentation in libopencm3 2015-01-04T05:12:42 < kakeman> should one buy mathlab for personal use before losing student status? 2015-01-04T05:13:06 < kakeman> I see it's like 36eur + something 2015-01-04T05:15:13 < kakeman> never used it properly 2015-01-04T05:15:16 < kakeman> yet 2015-01-04T05:15:19 -!- R0b0t1` [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T05:17:32 < dongs> methlab 2015-01-04T05:17:59 < kakeman> let's do methlab running cortex A9 and linux 2015-01-04T05:18:13 < kakeman> nice demo job 2015-01-04T05:18:28 < emeb_mac> kakeman: you mean matlab? 2015-01-04T05:19:07 < kakeman> certainly 2015-01-04T05:19:19 < emeb_mac> what's the student price? 2015-01-04T05:20:34 < kakeman> http://se.mathworks.com/pricing-licensing/index.html?intendeduse=student 2015-01-04T05:21:25 < kakeman> suite 100eur inc.vat 2015-01-04T05:21:36 < dongs> MATLAB .4,475 2015-01-04T05:21:37 < dongs> MATLAB Suite .8,950 2015-01-04T05:21:44 < dongs> like $30 cuz yen sux 2015-01-04T05:22:01 < emeb_mac> not bad 2015-01-04T05:22:37 < emeb_mac> considering it's several kilobux for non-student 2015-01-04T05:22:55 < emeb_mac> I'm paying $1800/year just to keep my license alive 2015-01-04T05:23:17 < kakeman> personal? 2015-01-04T05:23:47 < kakeman> what kind of stuff you do with it? 2015-01-04T05:25:07 < kakeman> lattice has 1.5mm x 1.5mm fpga 2015-01-04T05:25:10 < kakeman> mental 2015-01-04T05:26:20 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.136.43] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T05:28:18 < kakeman> that is perfect for my projects.. all 11 or so ios 2015-01-04T05:36:40 < qyx_> some wlcsp16? 2015-01-04T05:37:17 < dongs> hah 2015-01-04T05:37:19 < dongs> digikey is cool 2015-01-04T05:37:22 < dongs> A lower unit price is available at a higher quantity: Unit Price Extended Price 2015-01-04T05:37:25 < dongs> 1,000 609-4050-1-ND (Cut Tape) 0.46136 $461.36 2015-01-04T05:37:28 < dongs> 1,500 609-4050-2-ND (Tape & Reel) 0.33554 $503.31 2015-01-04T05:37:30 < dongs> You Save: 0.12582/Unit 2015-01-04T05:39:40 < kakeman> qyx_: yes 2015-01-04T05:41:05 < kakeman> 16wlcsp^2 2015-01-04T05:41:56 < kakeman> oh it's just notion there 2015-01-04T05:42:02 < kakeman> ^2 2015-01-04T05:42:35 < qyx_> hm, that glowing indicator in the wall switch causes the cfl to blink 2015-01-04T05:42:38 < qyx_> wneh it ispowered off 2015-01-04T05:44:51 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-04T05:45:01 < kakeman> must have some nasty electronics inside 2015-01-04T05:45:11 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T06:07:41 < kakeman> it seems that lattice chips are more energy conservative than altera ie. 2015-01-04T06:09:19 < kakeman> I like low power usage no matter the case 2015-01-04T06:09:34 < kakeman> zz> 2015-01-04T06:19:10 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-04T06:20:33 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T06:34:21 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T07:04:08 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:c08d:bfee:4ee1:411b] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T07:04:36 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:9098:5c48:5d9:41f7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-04T07:21:35 < emeb_mac> a county in CA 2015-01-04T07:21:52 < englishman> R2COM: why do you drive inferior american car and not trabant 2015-01-04T07:22:33 < emeb_mac> haha 2015-01-04T07:25:51 < emeb_mac> http://www.vice.com/read/a-visit-to-the-town-of-yolo-california 2015-01-04T07:27:56 < englishman> not lada niva? 2015-01-04T07:28:40 < englishman> :( 2015-01-04T07:29:00 < englishman> yes drive kamaz for commute every day 2015-01-04T07:29:06 < englishman> show russian might to coworkers 2015-01-04T07:31:22 < englishman> not TOPOL? 2015-01-04T07:37:21 < GargantuaSauce> put it in H 2015-01-04T07:37:41 < GargantuaSauce> ugh dont make me find the clip 2015-01-04T07:38:39 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.dula.tv/watch.php?file=homer-buys-car-from-crazy-vaclavs.flv 2015-01-04T07:40:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-04T07:48:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T07:52:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-65-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T07:55:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T07:55:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T09:00:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-04T09:04:28 < dongs> zyp, oops, i sent invoice back to chinagirl instead of you by mistake. now you ahve it. 2015-01-04T09:08:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-65-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-04T09:48:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T09:51:02 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813455003 stupid is contagious 2015-01-04T09:53:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-04T09:56:20 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arjmhiwnhnstwzqz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T10:04:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T10:15:17 < dongs> http://www.linear.com/product/LTC2000 2015-01-04T10:18:36 < ReadError> wow 2015-01-04T10:18:38 < ReadError> video encoder? 2015-01-04T10:33:49 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-04T10:36:26 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T10:40:04 < dongs> draws 1.2A, nice 2015-01-04T10:46:31 < ReadError> im interested in this video encoding/decoding shit 2015-01-04T10:46:42 < ReadError> h264 1080p60 2015-01-04T10:46:49 < ReadError> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX6D#prettyPhoto[iframes]/0/ 2015-01-04T10:47:34 < ReadError> Video Encode 2015-01-04T10:47:34 < ReadError> 1080p30 H.264 BP/ Dual 720p encode 2015-01-04T10:47:37 < ReadError> hmm conflicting info 2015-01-04T10:56:48 < ReadError> http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/video-decoders/adv7280/products/product.html?doc=ADV7280.pdf 2015-01-04T10:57:03 < ReadError> The ADV7280 converts the analog video signals into a 4:2:2 component video data stream that is compatible with the 8-bit ITU-R BT.656 interface standard. The ADV7280-M converts the analog video signals into a mobile industry processor interface (MIPI®) CSI-2 (8-bit YUV) output video stream. 2015-01-04T10:57:07 < ReadError> i need this 2015-01-04T11:00:29 < dongs> jesus fuck stop wasting time and go back to arduino pro mini 2015-01-04T11:08:00 < ReadError> what 2015-01-04T11:08:15 < ReadError> i want to make a dvr with this 2015-01-04T11:08:47 < ReadError> analog vid -> adv7280-M -> hummingboard CIS-2 -> SSD 2015-01-04T11:09:24 < GargantuaSauce> dude do the video encoding onboard and transmit that 2015-01-04T11:11:02 < ReadError> not applicable for all my applications 2015-01-04T11:11:10 < ReadError> would be nice though to dick around with 2015-01-04T11:12:18 < ReadError> jeeze dongs you yell at me for cloning 2015-01-04T11:12:24 < ReadError> then when i try to innovate you yell at me more 2015-01-04T11:21:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-65-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T11:23:03 < GargantuaSauce> we're not all well-established protrolls ya know 2015-01-04T11:24:28 < ReadError> im just a pro blogger bored at work 2015-01-04T11:32:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-65-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-04T11:32:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.150] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T11:43:48 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:f004:855c:ba78:e20c] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T12:02:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-43fa70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T12:22:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T12:22:48 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T12:42:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-43fa70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-04T12:55:11 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T12:55:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [] 2015-01-04T13:33:52 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acad8.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T13:43:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-83-227-153-146.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T13:51:32 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-04T13:52:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T14:05:00 < zyp> dongs, paid 2015-01-04T14:35:28 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T15:16:22 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T15:18:11 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-04T15:32:10 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-04T15:37:48 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T15:41:14 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-04T16:05:20 < KreAture_Zzz> hoy ReadError 2015-01-04T16:05:26 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-04T16:05:36 < KreAture_> how's the xmas been ? 2015-01-04T16:09:28 < ReadError> i was sick most of xmas and NY ;( 2015-01-04T16:09:41 < ReadError> stage 4 ebola aids or something 2015-01-04T16:11:30 < KreAture_> me to 2015-01-04T16:11:40 < KreAture_> Had my 2 year old niece visiting 2015-01-04T16:11:54 < KreAture_> 2 days after they arrived I was sick as a dog 2015-01-04T16:11:56 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-04T16:12:09 < Fleck> as dongs? :D 2015-01-04T16:12:15 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-04T16:12:16 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-04T16:12:58 < ReadError> yea bad timing 2015-01-04T16:13:08 < KreAture_> no 2015-01-04T16:13:16 < KreAture_> it's kids that just started daycare 2015-01-04T16:13:21 < KreAture_> they are all like tyfoid Mary 2015-01-04T16:13:36 < KreAture_> bringers of doom 2015-01-04T16:14:27 < ReadError> haha yea 2015-01-04T16:14:30 < Fleck> here we go again... txt's I don't get :D 2015-01-04T16:15:28 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQGC3ppdP3k 2015-01-04T16:15:45 < KreAture_> This is like installing windows 8 on a old pc, it just won't fit! 2015-01-04T16:15:49 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-04T16:16:25 < Fleck> this is like installing windows on ANY pc :D 2015-01-04T16:26:26 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-04T16:26:53 * KreAture_ finally got his floors tidied up and can now again do the vacuuming 2015-01-04T16:26:58 < KreAture_> (while sitting at the pc) 2015-01-04T16:27:08 < KreAture_> robotic vacs are awsome 2015-01-04T16:29:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T16:36:00 < ReadError> hows KreFlight going KreAture_ 2015-01-04T16:36:12 < KreAture_> working on 3dprinter code 2015-01-04T16:36:30 < KreAture_> besides, with the h7 and x10 you can play with those till I bother doing anything 2015-01-04T16:36:31 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-04T16:36:54 < KreAture_> I am using the 3d printer coding to get more familiar with the barebones compiler and em::blocks 2015-01-04T16:37:00 < ReadError> i make little FPV one 2015-01-04T16:37:10 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-XKxwNkQ/0/X3/CA_12201413053816-X3.jpg 2015-01-04T16:37:16 < ReadError> not as small, 135mm 2015-01-04T16:37:20 < KreAture_> hihi 2015-01-04T16:37:31 < KreAture_> someone hacked a x10 for fpv 2015-01-04T16:37:55 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i2mPLER_w0 2015-01-04T16:41:23 < ReadError> wow very cool 2015-01-04T16:41:31 < KreAture_> yup 2015-01-04T16:41:57 < KreAture_> anyway, I have freertos running on the stm32f407 now with quite good performance on the usb receieving 2015-01-04T16:42:44 < KreAture_> working on the step system now to just get up the basic pulsegenerator 2015-01-04T16:44:18 < KreAture_> ReadError https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt6kYWbMQIM 2015-01-04T16:44:24 < KreAture_> good vid on rolling your own tx 2015-01-04T16:44:26 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-04T16:44:43 < ReadError> ew flitetest 2015-01-04T16:46:55 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T16:49:23 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T16:50:26 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T16:53:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-04T16:58:28 < karlp> dongs: http://imgur.com/gallery/qYbVxQo 2015-01-04T17:15:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T17:21:57 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-04T17:28:09 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T17:29:35 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T17:34:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T17:37:30 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:c08d:bfee:4ee1:411b] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-04T17:55:52 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T17:56:38 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T18:00:24 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-04T18:00:50 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T18:09:50 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T18:11:28 < ReadError> dongs thanks for the link 2015-01-04T18:11:33 < ReadError> i purchased the hummerboard 2015-01-04T18:26:53 < Steffanx> have more monies to waste? 2015-01-04T18:28:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-04T18:36:52 < ReadError> Steffanx, ebay dollars 2015-01-04T18:46:27 < emeb_mac> it's not real money 2015-01-04T18:48:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-04T19:04:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-65-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T19:04:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-04T19:12:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T19:15:57 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T19:24:49 < Laurenceb__> anyone know a simple way to export RTF syntax highlighted code? 2015-01-04T19:25:27 < Laurenceb__> so windoze people can see syntax highlighting 2015-01-04T19:34:31 < Steffanx> rtf syntax hightlighted wtf is that? 2015-01-04T19:39:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-65-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-04T19:41:09 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arjmhiwnhnstwzqz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-04T19:49:29 < Laurenceb__> looks like highlight can do it 2015-01-04T19:49:47 < jpa-> why not use html? 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2015-01-04T20:49:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-04T20:50:41 < kakeman> 2015-01-04T20:54:57 < karlp> ReadError: either eclipse based, or visual studio based, or _maybe_ outside edge, netbeans based. 2015-01-04T20:55:06 < karlp> can't see anyone building their own ide these days 2015-01-04T20:55:33 < ReadError> VS would be okay 2015-01-04T20:55:39 < ReadError> eclipse would be horrible 2015-01-04T20:55:50 < karlp> vs would be shit because it doesn't run on anything but windoes 2015-01-04T20:57:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T20:57:45 < ReadError> ya but any lunix user would roll there own anyways i would guess 2015-01-04T21:01:54 < karlp> wat? 2015-01-04T21:10:41 < Laurenceb_> i just use gedit 2015-01-04T21:10:44 < Laurenceb_> works fine for me 2015-01-04T21:12:34 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T21:13:01 < bvernoux> hi 2015-01-04T21:27:43 < Tectu> vim <3 2015-01-04T21:27:46 < Tectu> works for everybody 2015-01-04T21:29:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T21:30:12 < Fleck> yeah, I used vim for a year, then I found out how to exit it! 2015-01-04T21:31:38 < Tectu> lol : 2015-01-04T21:31:39 < Tectu> :D 2015-01-04T21:32:16 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-04T21:34:29 < englishman> vs would be shit because it doesn't run on anything but windoes 2015-01-04T21:34:31 < englishman> not an issue 2015-01-04T21:34:46 < englishman> no lunix user would use it anyway 2015-01-04T21:35:58 < ReadError> VS would be tight 2015-01-04T21:36:07 < englishman> agreed 2015-01-04T21:36:18 < englishman> i havent tried visualgdb yet but looks like its almost there 2015-01-04T21:37:37 < ReadError> there is already over 9000 eclipse based IDEs for this 2015-01-04T21:37:45 < ReadError> why would they make another 2015-01-04T21:39:06 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:f004:855c:ba78:e20c] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T21:39:27 < jpa-> to give it the special ST quality level 2015-01-04T21:39:56 < Fleck> +1 jpa- 2015-01-04T21:42:49 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:f004:855c:ba78:e20c] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-04T21:59:24 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-04T22:01:21 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T22:16:10 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-04T22:22:08 < Tectu> jpa-, does not seem to know that ST is using eclipse based IDEs all over the place 2015-01-04T22:22:26 < Tectu> (eg. SPCStudio and ChibiStudio (yes chibistudio was developed at ST)) 2015-01-04T22:34:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-04T22:38:43 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Quit: pokðt] 2015-01-04T22:54:20 < karlp> englishman: says who? if it was well integrated and functional, sure I' duse it. 2015-01-04T22:56:48 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T23:21:13 < Fleck> +1 karlp 2015-01-04T23:22:23 < englishman> vi or die 2015-01-04T23:22:46 < zyp> I've heard emacs is good 2015-01-04T23:24:58 < qyx_> flame! 2015-01-04T23:25:29 < Fleck> ;p 2015-01-04T23:31:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-04T23:34:42 < KreAture_> hoy guys 2015-01-04T23:35:13 < KreAture_> anyone of you experienced unexplainable hardfaults that come and go by code relocation? 2015-01-04T23:35:44 < zyp> unexplainable how? have you checked the fault cause registers? 2015-01-04T23:35:48 < zyp> what kind of fault is it? 2015-01-04T23:36:16 < KreAture_> a direct hardfault 2015-01-04T23:36:26 < KreAture_> basically it comes and goes when I do a change and recompile 2015-01-04T23:36:48 < KreAture_> I've been struggling with it since I started stm32's on anything but iar (at work) 2015-01-04T23:36:56 < KreAture_> using em::blocks 2015-01-04T23:36:58 < zyp> a what? 2015-01-04T23:37:12 < KreAture_> for example, code runns fine and I am doing usb tests 2015-01-04T23:37:15 < zyp> what does SCB_CFSR say? 2015-01-04T23:37:21 < KreAture_> clear 2015-01-04T23:37:26 < KreAture_> please let me finish 2015-01-04T23:37:40 < qyx_> what? 2015-01-04T23:37:46 < qyx_> is that you with em::blocks? 2015-01-04T23:37:50 < KreAture_> Then I add a simple global variable = 0, type change in a isr and that adds a tiny bit of code 2015-01-04T23:37:54 < qyx_> ir was it someone else? 2015-01-04T23:38:11 < KreAture_> so, now it hardfaults on first call to sprintf 2015-01-04T23:38:21 < KreAture_> long before initing usb or any os 2015-01-04T23:38:30 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-04T23:38:33 < qyx_> i would suppose you have resolved those issues 2015-01-04T23:38:43 < qyx_> it was maybe 2 weeks ago 2015-01-04T23:38:48 < KreAture_> the problem appeared to go away when we moved usb init into the freertos thread for usb 2015-01-04T23:38:58 < KreAture_> been happilly developing 2015-01-04T23:39:02 < KreAture_> every once in a while it appears 2015-01-04T23:39:26 < KreAture_> I can just change the size of a static variable in main (like a log buffer) and it goes away again 2015-01-04T23:39:38 < zyp> consistent on multiple devices? 2015-01-04T23:39:42 < KreAture_> the variable is allocated in bss for zeroing 2015-01-04T23:39:56 < KreAture_> Before it was consistent on one I have at work and this one 2015-01-04T23:40:01 < KreAture_> since the hollidays I only have this one 2015-01-04T23:40:05 < KreAture_> will order more though 2015-01-04T23:40:14 < KreAture_> The one I have here is a A revision chip 2015-01-04T23:40:18 < KreAture_> not sure what work one is 2015-01-04T23:40:38 < KreAture_> a guy I have been developing with has tried it on his though, and he is not getting the same hardfaults 2015-01-04T23:40:42 < KreAture_> his zhip is a Z model 2015-01-04T23:40:51 < KreAture_> seems to me there may be silicon crap here? 2015-01-04T23:41:04 < KreAture_> I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this 2015-01-04T23:41:38 < KreAture_> just like everything with TI, they refuse to divulge plans on errata fixes, and usually refuse to admit it's a bug untill ppl have been screaming for a while 2015-01-04T23:41:48 < zyp> I don't think so, and I think my F4 parts are also revision A 2015-01-04T23:41:48 < KreAture_> so it's hard to get a confirmation 2015-01-04T23:41:58 < zyp> heh 2015-01-04T23:41:59 < KreAture_> I know they have A, Z and 1 2015-01-04T23:42:02 < KreAture_> for F407 2015-01-04T23:42:03 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-04T23:42:11 < zyp> I just opened the errata sheet 2015-01-04T23:42:14 < KreAture_> and the errata list is very long, but I cannot see my issue there 2015-01-04T23:42:34 < KreAture_> I've used it to go check for anything that may be pertinent to my application 2015-01-04T23:42:52 < KreAture_> The problem is, it never happens on very very simple stuff 2015-01-04T23:43:11 < KreAture_> Only a bit more complex, that is why I cannot provide a simple test where it works and where it fails, it has to be a bit complex 2015-01-04T23:43:56 < KreAture_> failing to call a simple library function in early lines of main is not simple though, because you can't easily tell if it's a linker thing, a missing library thing or if it's something other 2015-01-04T23:44:17 < qyx_> have you checked your stacks? 2015-01-04T23:44:39 < KreAture_> I have thought numerous times it must be a lib issue and my build environ, but this time the build environ was first set up by someone else, and worked fine, then rebuilt by another party and worked fine untill project got some size 2015-01-04T23:44:59 < KreAture_> yes, I even tried giving it insane ammounts even though I knew it needed tidbits 2015-01-04T23:45:02 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-04T23:45:10 < KreAture_> mostly my app so far buffers some usb and such 2015-01-04T23:45:18 < zyp> I think it sounds weird that you can even get a hardfault without any bits in CFSR being set 2015-01-04T23:45:22 < KreAture_> very little variable sizes, but it's not on stack 2015-01-04T23:45:30 < zyp> I mean, what other causes are there? 2015-01-04T23:45:47 < KreAture_> yeah, usually I could find that it had had an hardfault and was now halted there, but the userfault and such were all clear 2015-01-04T23:45:57 < KreAture_> exactly 2015-01-04T23:46:07 < KreAture_> I followed guides online on how to determine cause 2015-01-04T23:46:21 < KreAture_> and was left with the last line it executed before jumping, and NO reason for a fault 2015-01-04T23:46:39 < qyx_> uhm, thumb/nothumb jumps? 2015-01-04T23:46:41 < KreAture_> I have had it failing repeatedly and then just changed the value for memory init though 2015-01-04T23:47:01 < qyx_> but it is just dumb guess 2015-01-04T23:47:21 < zyp> no 2015-01-04T23:47:23 < KreAture_> It was the other day and I just couldn't get it to run with the test I prepared even though it was just a tweak of what ran before. Then I went into mem config and set the latency to 7 instead of 5 2015-01-04T23:47:25 < zyp> they cause INVSTATE 2015-01-04T23:47:40 < KreAture_> suddently the problem-code run 2015-01-04T23:47:51 < KreAture_> I hoped it was a magic bullet fix though, but it wasn't 2015-01-04T23:47:58 < KreAture_> still getting the problems now and then 2015-01-04T23:48:16 < KreAture_> I really hope the new boards I got are later rev 2015-01-04T23:48:57 < KreAture_> what pisses me off the most is that this board was bought via Farnell, and they should not be shipping old silicon 2015-01-04T23:49:19 < KreAture_> This happened to me before too, on a st drv8811 chip, I got chips from a revoked silicon revision 2015-01-04T23:49:42 < KreAture_> st and Farnell cleaned up then and reimbursed me for the trouble it caused 2015-01-04T23:50:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-04T23:51:05 < zyp> uh, shouldn't latency be 7 anyway? 2015-01-04T23:51:38 < KreAture_> Not according to the cube config tool 2015-01-04T23:51:39 < zyp> IIRC it's one per 24 MHz 2015-01-04T23:51:53 < KreAture_> I didn't set it up 2015-01-04T23:51:59 < KreAture_> but I complained about it 2015-01-04T23:52:00 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-04T23:52:02 < zyp> hang on, let me check the RM 2015-01-04T23:52:15 < KreAture_> 168 MHz system clock, avter /2 2015-01-04T23:52:18 < KreAture_> after 2015-01-04T23:52:24 < zyp> yes 2015-01-04T23:52:29 < KreAture_> using 8 mhz crystal 2015-01-04T23:53:23 < KreAture_> I think it's set to divide by 8, then multiply by 336 and finally divide by 2 for system clock, divide by 7 for usb clock 2015-01-04T23:53:32 < KreAture_> just off the top of my head 2015-01-04T23:53:33 < zyp> yeah, I do exactly the same 2015-01-04T23:53:51 < KreAture_> I see Farnell now selling a STM32F407VGT6J in addition to the STM32F407VGT6 2015-01-04T23:53:59 < KreAture_> note the J 2015-01-04T23:54:25 < zyp> hmm, my code is setting five wait states 2015-01-04T23:54:36 < KreAture_> exactly 2015-01-04T23:54:54 < KreAture_> but I have a proof setup that actually hardfaults with 5 and not with 7 on my chip 2015-01-04T23:54:58 < zyp> ah, it's 30 MHz at 3.3V 2015-01-04T23:55:07 < KreAture_> I even committed it to my git repo to record it for posterity 2015-01-04T23:55:26 < zyp> which voltage is it running at? 2015-01-04T23:55:44 < KreAture_> it's a dicovery board 2015-01-04T23:55:49 < KreAture_> I assume 3 something 2015-01-04T23:55:55 < KreAture_> runns of usb 2015-01-04T23:56:00 < TheSeven> f4discovery is running at 3.0 2015-01-04T23:56:01 < zyp> if you're running at less than 2.7V it reqires 7 2015-01-04T23:56:13 < KreAture_> thanks TheSeven 2015-01-04T23:56:13 < zyp> 3.0 should be good at 5 2015-01-04T23:56:16 < TheSeven> and those tend to drop to 2.8-2.9-ish 2015-01-04T23:56:31 < KreAture_> TheSeven yeah I have a early discovery board so maby shitty regulator 2015-01-04T23:56:39 < KreAture_> could do something about that I guess 2015-01-04T23:56:42 < KreAture_> maby that would help 2015-01-04T23:56:49 < KreAture_> atleast take a scope and look at the rails 2015-01-04T23:57:17 < TheSeven> the decoupling cap placement on the discovery isn't great either 2015-01-04T23:58:13 < KreAture_> well, ppl put too much into decoupling cap placements 2015-01-04T23:59:01 < KreAture_> we have a special guy at work who has a doctorate in that shit and it's amazing what ppl think cause issues 2015-01-04T23:59:07 < KreAture_> but which don't --- Day changed Mon Jan 05 2015 2015-01-05T00:00:30 < KreAture_> ST is not documenting the extra J on the order code, but it does appear on their site 2015-01-05T00:04:23 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-05T00:08:17 < TheSeven> that J variant has been apprearing in PCNs since at least march 2013 2015-01-05T00:08:27 < TheSeven> not sure what it means... 2015-01-05T00:09:27 < karlp> sure it's not just tray vs tape or something? 2015-01-05T00:09:58 < KreAture_> well 2015-01-05T00:10:13 < KreAture_> when did the z or 1 come out ? 2015-01-05T00:10:19 < KreAture_> They are not very clear on that either 2015-01-05T00:10:45 < KreAture_> btw, I have a miniproject for a smaller stm32 I have here 2015-01-05T00:10:58 < TheSeven> the J variant is a 90-part tray as well 2015-01-05T00:11:04 < TheSeven> so it mist be a different part in some way 2015-01-05T00:11:09 < KreAture_> a translator between a standard minilcd and the output for Neato Robotics lcd panels 2015-01-05T00:11:13 < KreAture_> They use i2c 2015-01-05T00:11:43 < KreAture_> Plan is to use a almost same size display that runs over spi 2015-01-05T00:12:16 < KreAture_> just emulate the old display (I have the controller spec) and drive the new display 2015-01-05T00:12:30 < KreAture_> Bonus is my Neato will then have selectable color display hehe 2015-01-05T00:12:48 < TheSeven> sounds like a job for an f030f4p6 or something ;) 2015-01-05T00:12:52 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-05T00:12:55 < KreAture_> I have some f030 2015-01-05T00:13:06 < KreAture_> I have 30 of em 2015-01-05T00:13:08 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-05T00:13:13 * TheSeven has more :P 2015-01-05T00:13:19 < KreAture_> I am making a watering-robot minion army 2015-01-05T00:14:00 < TheSeven> I think there are around 105-115 f030 chips in this room somewhere ;) 2015-01-05T00:14:02 < KreAture_> anyway, will be a fun project and it would make a LOT of neato owners very happy as currently there are NO alternative displays to use 2015-01-05T00:14:15 < TheSeven> + about 95 breakout boards for them 2015-01-05T00:14:28 < KreAture_> and a LOT of the cv-11 and 25's have dead displays showing just backlight 2015-01-05T00:24:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-05T00:29:03 < kakeman> watering bot? 2015-01-05T00:29:11 < qyx_> watering bot? 2015-01-05T00:29:30 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-05T00:29:32 < kakeman> minion, 2015-01-05T00:29:33 < kakeman> ? 2015-01-05T00:29:52 < KreAture_> measure moisture level and turn on /off a srip supply 2015-01-05T00:29:56 < KreAture_> drip 2015-01-05T00:30:05 < KreAture_> had a solar cell to charge itself and a battery 2015-01-05T00:30:15 < KreAture_> and a microservo for the actuation 2015-01-05T00:30:50 < qyx_> pics 2015-01-05T00:30:59 < qyx_> and schematic of course 2015-01-05T00:31:04 < kakeman> why you do everything nice? 2015-01-05T00:31:12 < kakeman> and I dont 2015-01-05T00:31:20 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-05T00:31:20 < qyx_> you are lazy 2015-01-05T00:31:29 < KreAture_> 3d printed housing ofcource 2015-01-05T00:31:47 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/waterbot/waterbot_v0.3_b.jpg 2015-01-05T00:31:49 < qyx_> ok, downvote on this part 2015-01-05T00:31:52 < KreAture_> early protoprint 2015-01-05T00:33:10 < qyx_> how do you charge it? 2015-01-05T00:33:17 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/waterbot/waterbot_v0.3_a.jpg 2015-01-05T00:33:28 < KreAture_> scrap cell placed there to test 2015-01-05T00:33:49 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:31f2:38c2:4fb0:edb1] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T00:33:53 < KreAture_> Design is ment to fit the cell comfortably so it needed expanding 2015-01-05T00:34:00 < KreAture_> once cell is in you pour epoxy over it 2015-01-05T00:34:01 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-05T00:34:04 < KreAture_> (and under it 2015-01-05T00:34:06 < KreAture_> ) 2015-01-05T00:34:11 < KreAture_> isngle cell 2015-01-05T00:34:13 < KreAture_> single 2015-01-05T00:34:46 < qyx_> the question still apply 2015-01-05T00:34:52 < KreAture_> it charges itself 2015-01-05T00:34:56 < qyx_> how do you charge lipo from single solar cell? 2015-01-05T00:35:01 < KreAture_> boost converter 2015-01-05T00:35:06 < qyx_> without mppt? 2015-01-05T00:35:09 < KreAture_> driven by the stm32f030 2015-01-05T00:35:13 < KreAture_> with mppt 2015-01-05T00:35:16 < KreAture_> ofcource 2015-01-05T00:35:16 < qyx_> ou 2015-01-05T00:35:19 < KreAture_> or it would not be fun! 2015-01-05T00:35:31 < qyx_> http://qyx.krtko.org/projects/solar-pmm/ 2015-01-05T00:35:32 < qyx_> like this? 2015-01-05T00:35:46 < KreAture_> much less parts 2015-01-05T00:36:00 < qyx_> this is including voltage/current measurements 2015-01-05T00:36:05 < KreAture_> only 1 fet, diode and cap 2015-01-05T00:36:11 < TheSeven> can it boostrap from solare if it's completely discharged? ;) 2015-01-05T00:36:11 < KreAture_> no boost converter ic 2015-01-05T00:36:12 < qyx_> on solar input, battery in/out, vout output 2015-01-05T00:36:19 < KreAture_> TheSeven no 2015-01-05T00:36:19 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:f004:855c:ba78:e20c] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-05T00:36:22 < qyx_> TheSeven: no 2015-01-05T00:36:27 < KreAture_> You have to give it a 2.7v cell or better 2015-01-05T00:36:37 < qyx_> if it is completely discharged, you have another problem 2015-01-05T00:36:46 < KreAture_> yes, dead lipo 2015-01-05T00:36:47 < qyx_> the lipo will not probably revive itself 2015-01-05T00:36:49 < KreAture_> LOL 2015-01-05T00:37:06 < KreAture_> anyway, My design uses minimal parts simply because it is supposed to be cheap 2015-01-05T00:37:11 < KreAture_> it uses a single cell to reduce work 2015-01-05T00:37:19 < qyx_> yep, BOM of this one is 4€ 2015-01-05T00:37:20 < KreAture_> The cell is also maximizing active area 2015-01-05T00:37:28 < qyx_> passives are not that expensive 2015-01-05T00:37:32 < KreAture_> My cells are a few dollars for a packet of 100 2015-01-05T00:37:42 < KreAture_> 19mm tall 2015-01-05T00:37:42 < qyx_> ebayed? i have some too 2015-01-05T00:37:48 < qyx_> 76x19 or something like that 2015-01-05T00:37:49 < KreAture_> yeah, 17% 2015-01-05T00:37:51 < KreAture_> yup 2015-01-05T00:37:54 < KreAture_> lovely cells 2015-01-05T00:38:02 < KreAture_> fragile as virginity 2015-01-05T00:38:15 < qyx_> yep, i know 2015-01-05T00:38:15 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T00:39:02 < qyx_> i was trying to charge yestarday 2015-01-05T00:39:03 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/4uenp 2015-01-05T00:39:04 < KreAture_> anyway, another fun project 2015-01-05T00:39:12 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-05T00:39:15 < KreAture_> awsome 2015-01-05T00:39:18 < KreAture_> I love logs! 2015-01-05T00:39:20 < KreAture_> where's the graph! 2015-01-05T00:39:32 < qyx_> but i need to optimize self consumption a bit 2015-01-05T00:39:37 < qyx_> no graph 2015-01-05T00:39:47 < KreAture_> are you using a hunting algorithm or ideal voltage target tracking ? 2015-01-05T00:40:26 < qyx_> incremental conductance method 2015-01-05T00:40:40 < KreAture_> so hunting 2015-01-05T00:40:42 < KreAture_> ? 2015-01-05T00:41:05 < KreAture_> I found I can run a algo targeting the ideal load voltage directly as one can assume much about temp 2015-01-05T00:41:05 < qyx_> i don't know what do you mean by hunting, but yes, tt hunts for the maximum power 2015-01-05T00:41:41 < KreAture_> basically it doesn't change that much so by just targeting a ideal voltage at some practical temperature it is enough to get it to a few % of peak 2015-01-05T00:42:08 < qyx_> it is just 50 lines more code 2015-01-05T00:42:14 < qyx_> you still have to measure u/i 2015-01-05T00:42:40 < KreAture_> yes but hunting wastes energy 2015-01-05T00:42:48 < KreAture_> if you assume you know what you need 2015-01-05T00:43:03 < qyx_> in what sense? 2015-01-05T00:43:10 < KreAture_> The cool thing is, you can do a slight deviation and verify and if it is incorrect you have now found that the temp was shifted 2015-01-05T00:43:23 < KreAture_> how long time does it take to test where peak is? 2015-01-05T00:43:33 < qyx_> it tests incrementally 2015-01-05T00:43:49 < KreAture_> yes, and while it is not close it wastes energy it could have charged with 2015-01-05T00:43:49 < qyx_> basically it is measuring slope, it has to be zero 2015-01-05T00:44:12 < KreAture_> if a cloud drops the energy to 10% how fast does it react ? 2015-01-05T00:44:15 < qyx_> not close = maybe a fraction of % 2015-01-05T00:44:30 < KreAture_> That is why I like my design, as it is about instant 2015-01-05T00:45:04 < qyx_> why should it react of the MPP doesn't change? 2015-01-05T00:45:07 < qyx_> *if 2015-01-05T00:45:15 < qyx_> it is not that stupid algo 2015-01-05T00:46:01 < KreAture_> the duty cycle of the booster will change 2015-01-05T00:46:05 < KreAture_> and my circuit controls it 2015-01-05T00:47:26 < qyx_> of course some improvements could be made but basically i am happy with this algo 2015-01-05T00:47:42 < KreAture_> sure 2015-01-05T00:48:03 < KreAture_> I just say I am having some fun with simply loading down the cell to a fixed voltage of which I know is very close to the peak power 2015-01-05T00:48:21 < KreAture_> The cool thing is then that it can react fast and almost correcto to high chnages in influx 2015-01-05T00:50:40 * KreAture_ moves the keyboard to stop mistyping 2015-01-05T00:52:14 < KreAture_> anyway 2015-01-05T00:52:30 < KreAture_> I am having issues on that design as well, but not stm related 2015-01-05T00:53:52 < KreAture_> It's designing a reliable pinchvalve operated by microservo 2015-01-05T01:01:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-05T01:05:58 -!- DLPeterson_ [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T01:06:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T01:06:32 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-05T01:13:34 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acad8.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-05T01:39:07 < kakeman> KreAture_: are you planning some kind of self-sufficiency?= 2015-01-05T01:39:37 < kakeman> I think bot garden would be nice 2015-01-05T01:40:20 < kakeman> some rails and sleds driving thru with tools doing stuff 2015-01-05T01:42:04 < qyx_> uhm 2015-01-05T01:43:04 < kakeman> or even better train tracks and two engines driving with long bar placed between 2015-01-05T01:44:04 < kakeman> actual tractor pulled tools connected to sled 2015-01-05T01:44:22 < kakeman> electrically operated ow course 2015-01-05T01:44:28 < kakeman> *of 2015-01-05T01:48:04 < kakeman> distance between engines would be like 100m 2015-01-05T01:48:09 < Steffanx> So any schematics of your solar charger design or isn't it public, KreAture_ ? 2015-01-05T01:48:24 < Steffanx> + codes 2015-01-05T01:48:31 < KreAture_> kakeman I am making em for my moms greenhouse 2015-01-05T01:48:48 < KreAture_> so far not public 2015-01-05T01:48:51 < Steffanx> or link to used algorithm? 2015-01-05T01:49:54 < KreAture_> There was a simple appnote a few years ago 2015-01-05T01:50:09 < KreAture_> using a switchmode boost converter wires to track the input voltage 2015-01-05T01:50:15 < KreAture_> don't remember the make 2015-01-05T01:51:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-1-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T01:51:06 < KreAture_> http://i.stack.imgur.com/AiJXI.jpg 2015-01-05T01:51:09 < Steffanx> :( 2015-01-05T01:51:13 < KreAture_> This pic basically shows how small the change is 2015-01-05T01:52:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-83-227-153-146.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-05T01:52:55 < KreAture_> Trick is to target a tad high on the load as underloading looses more than overloading 2015-01-05T01:52:58 < KreAture_> up to a point 2015-01-05T01:54:38 < oz4ga> !seen tectu 2015-01-05T01:55:24 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-05T01:56:20 < kakeman> are we talking about maximum power point tracking? 2015-01-05T01:56:58 < oz4ga> got my greedy fingers on on one of the mini-m4-stm2 from mikroelectronica in serbia. They are mainly a PIC companyny, but their stm32 line seeem kewl+++ 2015-01-05T01:57:32 < Steffanx> /msg nickserv info tectu , works better oz4ga 2015-01-05T01:58:13 < oz4ga> Steffanx: thnx. Know tectu from emblock.org 2015-01-05T02:01:46 < oz4ga> just wanted to poke him, if he was around 2015-01-05T02:07:32 < dongs> karlp: lol'd 2015-01-05T02:07:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T02:09:52 < qyx_> Steffanx: main.c 2015-01-05T02:09:55 < qyx_> uhm, or maybe not 2015-01-05T02:10:02 < qyx_> https://github.com/iqyx/solar-pmm/blob/master/fw/main.c 2015-01-05T02:10:03 < qyx_> this one 2015-01-05T02:10:44 < qyx_> theres also a schematic 2015-01-05T02:10:49 < qyx_> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/iqyx/solar-pmm/master/pcb/rev1/output/solar-pmic-sch2.png 2015-01-05T02:10:56 < qyx_> not much innovation there 2015-01-05T02:11:53 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-145-97-31.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-05T02:14:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T02:25:21 < dongs> ReadError: why teh fuck would you order that shit 2015-01-05T02:28:03 < dongs> http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/04/norwegian-cargo-ship-sinks-off-vietnam-18-crew-members-missing/ RIP zyp 2015-01-05T02:29:11 < qyx_> filipino crew members.. 2015-01-05T02:30:22 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T02:34:56 < dongs> did you think i actually clicked the link 2015-01-05T02:39:41 < kakeman> foxnews 2015-01-05T02:43:28 < kakeman> gives me cancer without opening url 2015-01-05T02:43:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-05T02:45:03 < TheSeven> qyx_: looking at your schematics, hooking up VDDA2 to PA6 might allow even more precise measurements (cancelling out various tolerances) ;) 2015-01-05T02:49:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T02:55:08 < qyx_> TheSeven: hm, good point 2015-01-05T02:56:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T02:57:02 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bevadwpowthuiltz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T03:07:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-05T03:48:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T04:02:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-05T04:04:09 < qyx_> 50pcs of STM32F103C8T6 for $117, not that bad 2015-01-05T04:08:52 < dongs> it is bad 2015-01-05T04:08:59 < dongs> its cheaper than that even at wvshare?? 2015-01-05T04:09:01 < dongs> for CB 2015-01-05T04:09:48 < dongs> oh 2015-01-05T04:09:48 < dongs> maybe not 2015-01-05T04:09:59 < dongs> wtf, they raised hte price 2015-01-05T04:10:17 < qyx_> this is from utsource 2015-01-05T04:12:03 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/product/STM32F103C8T6.html still cheaper at wvshare 2015-01-05T04:12:08 < dongs> unles 117 is shipped. 2015-01-05T04:13:25 < qyx_> $2.1/100 2015-01-05T04:13:53 < qyx_> ok, wvshare is cheaper 2015-01-05T04:59:56 < upgrdman> lol http://www.mtv.com/news/1952169/potato-birth-control/ 2015-01-05T05:23:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T05:35:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T05:38:27 < dongs> http://covert.codes/freqwatch/index.html lunix 2015-01-05T05:44:56 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-05T05:45:19 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T06:08:15 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/ZPUve.png 2015-01-05T06:18:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-05T06:19:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T06:22:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-28-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T06:28:20 < dongs> aroseks.com has pretty decent selection 2015-01-05T06:28:24 < dongs> of stuff >= 8" 2015-01-05T06:46:33 < upgrdman> LOLOL http://fillerdeals.com/listing-332-usb-air-purifier-ionizer-for-laptops.html 2015-01-05T06:55:54 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-05T06:59:35 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:714c:96ee:ec4:7b56] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T07:00:34 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:31f2:38c2:4fb0:edb1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-05T07:02:03 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-05T07:04:27 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:714c:96ee:ec4:7b56] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-05T07:39:49 < emeb_mac> R2COM: not much - you? 2015-01-05T07:41:22 < dongs> http://julianfrost.co.nz/things/magic-photocopier/ lol'd 2015-01-05T07:50:49 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-05T07:51:02 < emeb_mac> R2COM: haven't looked at that one 2015-01-05T08:00:08 < emeb_mac> I suppose those are handy if you don't want to do ZIF 2015-01-05T08:00:33 < emeb_mac> but the PGA and LPFs are more interesting 2015-01-05T08:02:45 < emeb_mac> hetero if you use the direct mixer outs 2015-01-05T08:02:53 < emeb_mac> homo if you go through the LFPs 2015-01-05T08:03:11 < emeb_mac> AKA zero IF (ZIF) 2015-01-05T08:03:27 < emeb_mac> that's why they include DC offset adjust 2015-01-05T08:03:41 < emeb_mac> to null the residual carrier 2015-01-05T08:03:52 < emeb_mac> nope 2015-01-05T08:04:06 < emeb_mac> LO input is at center freq of received signal 2015-01-05T08:04:17 < emeb_mac> so I/Q out is centered 2015-01-05T08:04:26 < emeb_mac> ya 2015-01-05T08:05:49 < emeb_mac> sure 2015-01-05T08:06:03 < emeb_mac> have another 1st conversion out front 2015-01-05T08:06:55 < emeb_mac> yeah, probably best to assume that's needed 2015-01-05T08:07:57 < emeb_mac> but this one has wide enough input range that it could be used for single conversion 2015-01-05T08:09:52 < emeb_mac> not categorically 2015-01-05T08:09:59 < emeb_mac> why do you think so? 2015-01-05T08:10:11 < emeb_mac> ah 2015-01-05T08:10:38 < emeb_mac> what flexibility do you mean? 2015-01-05T08:11:57 < emeb_mac> well, ZIF does have some imaging issues 2015-01-05T08:13:23 < emeb_mac> in some cases, but the frequency steps and filter bandwidths can limit the results 2015-01-05T08:14:03 -!- elektrinis [~cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T08:14:28 < emeb_mac> no 2015-01-05T08:14:39 < emeb_mac> we used bandpass undersampling 2015-01-05T08:19:01 < emeb_mac> but I've also done systems that are two stage, but with the 2nd conversion done inside the FPGA 2015-01-05T08:19:48 < emeb_mac> so? 2015-01-05T08:20:13 < emeb_mac> IQ needs 2 converters 2015-01-05T08:20:39 < emeb_mac> so 1 conversion at rate x or 2 converters at x/2 2015-01-05T08:21:12 < emeb_mac> depends on the rate 2015-01-05T08:26:25 < emeb_mac> basically 2015-01-05T08:27:03 < emeb_mac> converting a signal centered @ 2160MHz by sampling @ 245MHz 2015-01-05T08:28:25 < emeb_mac> due to aliasing the signal appears centered near 60MHz (Fs/4) 2015-01-05T08:28:51 < upgrdman> pga? 2015-01-05T08:28:54 < emeb_mac> so no mixing - just filtering and sampling 2015-01-05T08:29:32 < emeb_mac> +/-30MHz 2015-01-05T08:29:52 < emeb_mac> actually it was +/-60MHz 2015-01-05T08:30:02 < emeb_mac> yep 2015-01-05T08:31:26 < emeb_mac> if you think 120MHz is narrowband. 2015-01-05T08:33:31 < emeb_mac> zzzzz time. 2015-01-05T08:33:32 < emeb_mac> l8r 2015-01-05T08:33:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-05T08:44:19 < upgrdman> what's pga? im guessing you weren't talking about pin grid arrays 2015-01-05T08:46:57 < upgrdman> oh. thx 2015-01-05T08:47:21 < upgrdman> is LNA fixed gain? 2015-01-05T08:48:43 < dongs> pro golfer association 2015-01-05T08:55:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T08:55:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-05T08:59:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-28-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T09:19:09 -!- DLPeterson_ [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-05T09:30:05 < dongs> Congrats, you just typed 114 wpm! We have to ask everyone who gets over 100 wpm in a race to take a short typing test. This is done to discourage cheaters. Why? 2015-01-05T09:30:09 < dongs> lol 2015-01-05T10:06:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T10:07:57 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.136.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-05T10:09:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-05T10:09:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T10:09:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-05T10:09:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T10:16:07 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T10:20:01 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-05T10:26:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-92-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T10:45:14 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.226.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T10:49:39 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.60.248] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T10:58:22 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:00:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-92-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T11:12:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:16:03 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:19:58 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@h108.175.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 2015-01-05T11:22:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.217] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:24:35 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:24:45 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-05T11:24:45 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:24:45 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-05T11:24:45 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:25:07 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:39:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-05T11:44:04 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:46:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:48:52 -!- _franck__ [56cbdea8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.203.222.168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T11:52:10 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.60.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-05T11:53:57 < karlp> qyx_: you can try USE_OPTS ?= instead of your testing for empty and then explicitly setting it. Might make your makefiles a little shorter and more compact. 2015-01-05T11:59:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-05T12:29:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-83-227-153-146.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T12:39:29 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-01-05T12:42:12 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T12:42:40 < dongs> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_to_storage.htm lool 2015-01-05T12:42:58 < dongs> Penguin Café Orchestra's Union Café has an altogether more natural recorded acoustic. On Scherzo and Trio QNAP1 promoted the leading edge piano transients, following through with a lighter, brighter instrument tone . possibly Steinway-like? The same piano had more lower mid body on QNAP2 and slightly softer hammer impact, perhaps more like a Bosendörfer. 2015-01-05T12:50:30 < Laurenceb_> tldr 2015-01-05T12:50:59 < GargantuaSauce> i have trouble reading audiophile stuff even for comedic value these days 2015-01-05T12:51:06 < GargantuaSauce> 2poe4me 2015-01-05T12:51:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-92-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T12:54:30 < Laurenceb_> time to drop my Thesis off at the library :D 2015-01-05T12:54:39 < Laurenceb_> it should be online for lulz soon 2015-01-05T12:56:28 < GargantuaSauce> whats the title 2015-01-05T13:00:53 < dongs> blogging on irc 2015-01-05T13:14:01 < jpa-> my hand and the fappening 2015-01-05T13:18:58 < ABLomas> need suggestion 2015-01-05T13:19:16 < dongs> use: larduino 2015-01-05T13:19:32 < dongs> http://www.elecrow.com/wiki/index.php?title=Larduino_Mini 2015-01-05T13:19:37 < ABLomas> let's say i have dying motherboard, spare USB headers (2x) onboard + HW COM1, no GPIO's or other I/O 2015-01-05T13:19:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-92-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-05T13:20:00 < ABLomas> at random times USB devices die (needs to be unpowered and powered again to work) 2015-01-05T13:20:11 < ABLomas> i can't turn usb hub from software side 2015-01-05T13:20:13 < dongs> does ithappen in lunix? 2015-01-05T13:20:22 < ABLomas> so i need to insert relay on +5V line 2015-01-05T13:20:27 < ABLomas> yes, it's on linux 2015-01-05T13:20:29 < karlp> is that that atmega8 clone chip? 2015-01-05T13:20:40 < dongs> karlp: ya 2015-01-05T13:20:47 < ABLomas> need some kind of watchdog, to unpower and re-power this again 2015-01-05T13:20:48 < karlp> good times I'm sure. 2015-01-05T13:20:53 < dongs> i checked pricing for lulz 2015-01-05T13:20:55 < dongs> its like .$60 2015-01-05T13:21:01 < dongs> for samples 2015-01-05T13:21:16 < ABLomas> i can do that from scratch, but maybe someone seen smth like that available already (usb passtrough with power control) 2015-01-05T13:21:18 < dongs> about half price of atmega8a 2015-01-05T13:22:35 < dongs> ABLomas: my usb hub has pushbuttons for turng on/off vbus 2015-01-05T13:22:51 < ABLomas> hm 2015-01-05T13:23:08 < dongs> ive not seen oen where you can do port power by software 2015-01-05T13:23:11 < dongs> even tho it is in the spec 2015-01-05T13:23:16 < dongs> and some hub ICs support it 2015-01-05T13:23:21 < dongs> but of course chinaguys never hook that kinda shit upo 2015-01-05T13:24:08 < dongs> https://befinitiv.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/hacking-per-port-power-switching-to-an-usb-hub-2/ 2015-01-05T13:24:23 < ABLomas> thanks 2015-01-05T13:24:31 < ABLomas> can you tell me usb hub model? 2015-01-05T13:24:49 < dongs> its been a while since i looked, it was some IC off digikey, so probably not anything you'll find in cheap dealextreme hubs 2015-01-05T13:24:57 < qyx_> karlp: those are chibios distributed makefiles 2015-01-05T13:25:01 < dongs> just google around for usb hub power control, there hsould be some stuff off hte shelf 2015-01-05T13:25:04 < qyx_> i didn$t modify them 2015-01-05T13:25:31 < dongs> even if IC supports it, it will likely not be hooked up 2015-01-05T13:25:35 < dongs> and you'l ned to hax0r it liek that guy 2015-01-05T13:36:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: hornang, englishman, varesa, GargantuaSauce, johntramp, ABLomas, bsdfox, Cyric, SpaceCoaster, Posterdati 2015-01-05T13:36:43 -!- varesa_ [~varesa@ec2-54-171-127-114.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T13:36:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ABLomas 2015-01-05T13:36:47 < ReadError> ABLomas 2015-01-05T13:36:47 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WTHGL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 2015-01-05T13:36:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Posterdati 2015-01-05T13:36:54 < ReadError> er 2015-01-05T13:36:55 < ReadError> ABLomas 2015-01-05T13:36:57 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WTHGL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 2015-01-05T13:37:15 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-ppplhqeivhdakwsz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T13:37:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hornang, Cyric 2015-01-05T13:38:03 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T13:38:04 < ReadError> haha related device on page http://www.ipadcarts.com/solutions/DS-IP-SC-49.htm 2015-01-05T13:38:11 < ReadError> 49 port 2015-01-05T13:38:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: GargantuaSauce 2015-01-05T13:38:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: englishman 2015-01-05T13:38:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SpaceCoaster 2015-01-05T13:39:20 -!- hjf [~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-05T13:40:47 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T13:41:36 -!- hjf [~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T13:41:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-92-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T13:41:54 < dongs> what hte fuk does that acutally have to do with sncing ipads 2015-01-05T13:42:03 -!- debris` [debris@shells.ohai.su] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T13:42:25 -!- debris` [debris@shells.ohai.su] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T13:42:57 < ReadError> dongs mention ipads, sell 10x the price 2015-01-05T13:42:57 < dongs> i guess if you can afford 49 jewpads, you can probly pay $1100 for that hub 2015-01-05T13:44:06 < dongs> http://www.ipadcarts.com/images/49%20in%20use.jpg haha 2015-01-05T13:47:22 < karlp> qyx_: ah, ok then, nvm 2015-01-05T13:48:18 < karlp> dongs ABLomas I bought cheap dx hubs with buttons for vbus, works "ok" 2015-01-05T13:48:30 < dongs> ya with buttons 2015-01-05T13:48:32 < dongs> he wants automatic 2015-01-05T13:48:36 < karlp> oh right, yeah. 2015-01-05T13:48:37 < dongs> BUT those could be a good starting point 2015-01-05T13:48:41 < dongs> if the chip supports that ppps shit 2015-01-05T13:48:46 < dongs> hack the button out and replace with fet 2015-01-05T13:50:00 < karlp> if it's a bus powered hub, you could just control the power to the hub itself maybe? 2015-01-05T13:50:05 < karlp> depends on teh task of course 2015-01-05T13:50:19 < dongs> that doesnt matter 2015-01-05T13:50:28 < dongs> you'd still need to "disconnect" power 2015-01-05T13:51:12 < jpa-> some usb hub chips have output pins for power disconnect fets 2015-01-05T13:51:19 < jpa-> never seen a hub that actually has that function, though 2015-01-05T13:51:22 < dongs> apparently most of them do 2015-01-05T13:51:25 < dongs> theyre just never hooked up 2015-01-05T13:51:26 < dongs> rite 2015-01-05T13:51:38 < karlp> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4702216/controlling-a-usb-power-supply-on-off-with-linux/18098075#18098075 2015-01-05T13:52:47 < dongs> karlp: that just disconnects the USB device 2015-01-05T13:53:03 < dongs> teh hub/host port actually has to support turning off power 2015-01-05T13:53:06 < dongs> and most dont 2015-01-05T13:55:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T13:57:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T14:06:21 < dongs> http://i1.someimage.com/nartZdk.png 2015-01-05T14:09:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-92-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-05T14:13:51 < karlp> karlp@pojak:/sys/bus/usb/devices$ cat 3-3\:1.0/port3/device/power/runtime_enabled 2015-01-05T14:13:54 < karlp> forbidden 2015-01-05T14:13:59 < karlp> yeah, doesn't work on this one at least :) 2015-01-05T14:18:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T14:21:09 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bevadwpowthuiltz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-05T14:22:32 < GargantuaSauce> dongs: sauce? 2015-01-05T14:22:36 < GargantuaSauce> i wanna know the iterated function 2015-01-05T14:24:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T14:24:43 < ReadError> maybe you can paste the image to wolfram and it will math it 2015-01-05T14:25:11 < GargantuaSauce> heh 2015-01-05T14:25:22 < GargantuaSauce> i think that might be a bit too computationally expensive 2015-01-05T14:25:28 < GargantuaSauce> just a tad 2015-01-05T14:25:34 < GargantuaSauce> pro only 2015-01-05T14:28:08 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: unsure, sauce = irc 2015-01-05T14:28:32 < dongs> looks pretty trippy tho 2015-01-05T14:28:47 < Laurenceb> noninvasive peripheral perfusion monitoring 2015-01-05T14:29:19 < GargantuaSauce> pretty sure it was made in ultra fractal 2015-01-05T14:41:06 < dongs> ultra stoner 2015-01-05T14:42:40 < GargantuaSauce> on that note i'd be interested to see how http://xn--d-bga.su/TREE.png looks on one of your fancy little retina displays in person 2015-01-05T14:43:22 < GargantuaSauce> i think i have an ipad 3 on the shelf but the thought of powering on an apple device turns my stomach 2015-01-05T14:43:38 < dongs> thats not 2048x rez tho 2015-01-05T14:43:51 < GargantuaSauce> hm whats the biggest one i have 2015-01-05T14:43:56 < dongs> it looks pretty OK on my dell 2015-01-05T14:44:02 < dongs> which is also IPS 2015-01-05T14:44:03 < GargantuaSauce> http://xn--d-bga.su/dipolefractal.png 2015-01-05T14:44:44 < dongs> lool 2015-01-05T14:44:47 < GargantuaSauce> i should really start doing these again now that i have access to hardware that can swing 16384^2 2015-01-05T14:44:48 < dongs> thats a nice image 2015-01-05T14:45:09 < Laurenceb> i did it singlehandedly 2015-01-05T14:45:11 < Laurenceb> geddit 2015-01-05T14:45:33 < GargantuaSauce> at least i understand that word 2015-01-05T14:47:43 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: from image sauce > im writing a mandelbrot renderer that uses perturbation theory for fast rendering of deep zooms though 2015-01-05T14:47:58 < GargantuaSauce> oooh custom sauce 2015-01-05T14:48:36 < dongs> > also using a custom multiwave coloring formula 2015-01-05T14:48:39 < dongs> ya :( 2015-01-05T14:49:39 < GargantuaSauce> i thought chaotic dynamics were really pathological for applying perturbation theory 2015-01-05T14:49:41 < GargantuaSauce> is this dude a wizard 2015-01-05T14:50:14 < Laurenceb> wizard as in wizardchan? 2015-01-05T14:50:37 < GargantuaSauce> wizard as in master of the arcane arts 2015-01-05T14:51:19 < GargantuaSauce> i would not necessarily condemn your interpretation to irrelevancy though 2015-01-05T14:52:53 < dongs> unfortunately his shit is for lunix 2015-01-05T14:52:56 < dongs> so i put him on ignore 2015-01-05T14:53:53 < GargantuaSauce> i hope you at least gave him the copypasta 2015-01-05T14:55:40 < dongs> GargantuaSauce, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. 2015-01-05T14:55:46 < dongs> that one? 2015-01-05T14:55:49 < GargantuaSauce> ya 2015-01-05T14:55:54 < dongs> no i did this one 2015-01-05T14:55:57 < dongs> GargantuaSauce, listen. If you do not start some meaningful chats (none of this trolling garbage) as soon as possible, then I am going to come over to your place, find you in a bathroom, hold your head under a sink, and stick at least three ungloved, unlubricated fingers, straight up your ass until one or both of us is throwing up. And honey, let me tell you I've got a strong stomach. Start chatting, asshole. 2015-01-05T14:56:12 < dongs> hm no wrong one :( 2015-01-05T14:56:21 < GargantuaSauce> lol that one's new to me 2015-01-05T14:56:28 < GargantuaSauce> and sounds tittillating 2015-01-05T14:56:52 < dongs> ah, the one is only on the other box 2015-01-05T14:57:21 < dongs> GargantuaSauce, listen. I'm quite disgusted by your non-apology and fakery. I have removed you from all my social contacts. Your naivete is not worth my time. There are a lot of better tech experts out there, experts that surely pay more attention about diversity than YOU DO. 2015-01-05T15:00:43 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: http://i1.someimage.com/BXQymyt.png http://i1.someimage.com/ybyeoUE.png http://i1.someimage.com/JzMmfnH.png 2015-01-05T15:00:46 < dongs> some more shit 2015-01-05T15:01:39 < GargantuaSauce> god damn 2015-01-05T15:02:37 < Laurenceb> lol F1 CRc suckzorz 2015-01-05T15:02:55 < dongs> looks like good kinda shit to see while getting stoned 2015-01-05T15:02:55 < dongs> > its fucking incredible while stoned 2015-01-05T15:02:56 < dongs> > especially when you make zoom movies with it 2015-01-05T15:03:08 < TheSeven> Laurenceb: F1 suckzorz altogether ;) 2015-01-05T15:03:14 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-05T15:03:30 < TheSeven> I had a *lot* of fun porting some F2 code to it 2015-01-05T15:03:50 < Laurenceb> spot the dongs 2015-01-05T15:03:51 < Laurenceb> http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6622765&cid=48734403 2015-01-05T15:06:56 < Laurenceb> http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6622765&cid=48734241 2015-01-05T15:07:01 < Laurenceb> this has to be dongs 2015-01-05T15:12:06 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9373 2015-01-05T15:12:09 < dongs> this is the stonerguy 2015-01-05T15:13:41 < GargantuaSauce> cool 2015-01-05T15:15:15 < dongs> http://filebin.net/whwxt8wpd5/Mandelbrot.test1.1080p60.flac.x264-quaz.mkv 2015-01-05T15:16:05 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T15:16:05 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-05T15:16:05 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T15:16:51 < GargantuaSauce> i have a feeling this is gonna be a half gigabyte well spent 2015-01-05T15:20:36 < Steffanx> link post monday <3 2015-01-05T15:21:55 < dongs> monday is over 2015-01-05T15:22:25 < Steffanx> Not yet. 2015-01-05T15:22:34 < dongs> might as well be over 2015-01-05T15:22:42 < Laurenceb> dongs is from the future 2015-01-05T15:22:47 < Steffanx> Time to get stoned? 2015-01-05T15:23:07 < dongs> already well underway 2015-01-05T15:23:54 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T15:23:54 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-05T15:23:54 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T16:01:12 -!- emeryth [emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T16:02:57 < ABLomas> thanks for links dongs and ReadError, reading now 2015-01-05T16:04:00 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T16:05:26 < dongs> video is pretty cool 2015-01-05T16:07:21 < GargantuaSauce> talking with the dude, apparently much progress made since the video was done too 2015-01-05T16:09:17 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-05T16:10:36 < dongs> how'd you track his chats down 2015-01-05T16:11:08 < GargantuaSauce> the power of imagination 2015-01-05T16:11:41 < dongs> lorf 2015-01-05T16:13:09 -!- emeryth [emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T16:18:29 * Laurenceb is feeling lazy 2015-01-05T16:18:37 < Laurenceb> time for inbox development style 2015-01-05T16:19:07 < Laurenceb> 1) write new firmware 2) release it to download page 3) check inbox for raging 2015-01-05T16:26:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T16:27:40 < ReadError> how much acid do these guys take 2015-01-05T16:28:07 < ReadError> Laurenceb replace #2 with "post zip on forum with megaupload url" 2015-01-05T16:28:57 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-05T16:34:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T16:34:18 < dongs> no 2015-01-05T16:34:22 < dongs> post a .torrent 2015-01-05T16:34:25 < dongs> to .zip of source code 2015-01-05T16:34:35 < dongs> this is how the pros do it 2015-01-05T16:35:40 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-05T16:35:52 < Laurenceb> i distribute .bin and bluetooth uploader 2015-01-05T16:37:25 < dongs> Laurenceb: you need this http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Brief_Illustrated_Guide.pdf 2015-01-05T16:37:39 < Laurenceb> islamhouse... 2015-01-05T16:38:00 < Laurenceb> looks like trolling inboud 2015-01-05T16:38:34 < Laurenceb> wait wtf 2015-01-05T16:38:39 < Laurenceb> Poes law 2015-01-05T16:42:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Q3R2s9L.png 2015-01-05T16:42:51 < dongs> what the fuck 2015-01-05T16:45:12 < karlp> heh: hating on kicad: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6541_-_en_-_saal_2_-_201412281730_-_forging_the_usb_armory_-_andrea_barisani.html#video 2015-01-05T16:45:57 < dongs> jebus 2015-01-05T16:46:03 < dongs> they did a ~8layer bga board in kikecad? 2015-01-05T16:46:18 < dongs> waste of time 2015-01-05T16:46:32 < karlp> dongs: you're forgetting the zip should contain a password protected zip, and text file linking to "download codec pack from this other site, after taking some surveys and clicking on shit" 2015-01-05T16:46:38 -!- emeryth [emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-05T16:46:41 < dongs> ah yes 2015-01-05T16:46:50 < dongs> password protected .rar 2015-01-05T16:47:21 < dongs> karlp: where's kikecad hate 2015-01-05T16:47:27 < dongs> im not really intersted in other shit 2015-01-05T16:47:41 < dongs> tiny leenuks computer 2015-01-05T16:47:53 < karlp> about 13 min or so 2015-01-05T16:48:27 < karlp> 14:40 or so 2015-01-05T16:48:30 < karlp> the fun for you would start 2015-01-05T16:48:33 < dongs> of cores 2015-01-05T16:48:56 < karlp> not just linux, runs deadbsd too! 2015-01-05T16:50:28 < karlp> 16:20 or so to just go to kicad 2015-01-05T16:50:54 -!- emeryth [emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T16:51:57 < dongs> GO FOR PROPER DESIGN RIGHT AWAY 2015-01-05T16:51:58 < dongs> LOL 2015-01-05T16:54:04 < GargantuaSauce> holy fuck a soc on perfboard 2015-01-05T16:54:12 < karlp> well, it didn't work :) 2015-01-05T16:54:20 < dongs> lol 2015-01-05T16:54:21 < GargantuaSauce> "definitely not the right way of doing things" 2015-01-05T16:54:26 < karlp> indeed :) 2015-01-05T16:54:31 < dongs> 'even if the rules passed in kikecad, that doesn't mean you can still manufacture it' 2015-01-05T16:54:37 < karlp> at least they admit that and say, "don't do this, it was dumb" 2015-01-05T16:54:41 < GargantuaSauce> yeah 2015-01-05T16:54:57 < BrainDamage> i guess they never heard of parasitic capacitances and indutances 2015-01-05T16:55:35 < dongs> > anybody can do this 2015-01-05T16:55:53 < karlp> well, they're a software security company, hadn't done any hardware before, or so they claim 2015-01-05T16:56:01 < karlp> btu yeah, "anyone" is kinda a stretch 2015-01-05T16:56:58 < GargantuaSauce> really wish i'd gone to ccc this year 2015-01-05T16:57:29 < karlp> I say that most years :) 2015-01-05T16:58:08 * PaulFertser too, every year since I learnt about it actually 2015-01-05T16:58:14 < BrainDamage> and then drink straight absinth? >_> 2015-01-05T16:58:25 < GargantuaSauce> that is a vital part of the process yes 2015-01-05T17:00:38 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.136.107] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:01:10 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:02:31 < zyp> I might go to the next 2015-01-05T17:02:39 < zyp> but that's what I said a year ago too 2015-01-05T17:03:09 -!- emeryth [emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T17:09:13 < Laurenceb> took him 2 weeks 2015-01-05T17:09:22 < Laurenceb> thats good going 2015-01-05T17:14:42 < dongs> opensores: how to waste time 2015-01-05T17:15:10 < dongs> i bet if he moved something even a little bit it would take a bitch of a time to teardown and relayout the shit 2015-01-05T17:15:17 < Laurenceb> for a n00b 2 weeks is impressive 2015-01-05T17:15:25 < karlp> that was just hte memory 2015-01-05T17:15:31 < dongs> lolz 2015-01-05T17:17:33 < KreAture_Zzz> Hoy! 2015-01-05T17:17:36 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-05T17:17:53 < KreAture_> Checked the STM32F407 discovery board I had at work, and it's a Rev Z chip 2015-01-05T17:18:01 < KreAture_> Rev A: Hardfault on simple stuff sometimes 2015-01-05T17:18:06 < KreAture_> Rev Z: same code no hardfault 2015-01-05T17:18:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T17:18:28 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-05T17:18:31 < Laurenceb> ADc is better too 2015-01-05T17:19:24 * KreAture_ swaps back to Rev A chip and gets hardfault 2015-01-05T17:19:37 * KreAture_ swaps back to Rev Z and....... no hardfault 2015-01-05T17:19:45 * KreAture_ waves a fist at TI 2015-01-05T17:19:53 < KreAture_> This is NOT on the errata! 2015-01-05T17:21:25 < Thorn> TI? 2015-01-05T17:21:47 < englishman> if you bought TI STm32 chips, i found your problem 2015-01-05T17:22:45 < KreAture_> sorry, ST 2015-01-05T17:22:46 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-05T17:22:56 * KreAture_ headpalms 2015-01-05T17:23:03 * KreAture_ needs to read before pressing enter 2015-01-05T17:23:56 < KreAture_> I keep mixing the DRV8811 problems I had and the stm32 issues as same supplier 2015-01-05T17:24:08 < englishman> what are you doing that causes hardfault? 2015-01-05T17:24:14 < KreAture_> well both are 2 letters, and none accept errata untill it's so obvious you can park a train in it 2015-01-05T17:24:34 < KreAture_> calling a routine that was not apparantly at the right place for the prefetch 2015-01-05T17:24:40 < KreAture_> simple init stuff etc 2015-01-05T17:24:55 < KreAture_> like the call to bss clear memory failing on init 2015-01-05T17:25:05 < KreAture_> depended entirely on where linker placed it 2015-01-05T17:25:31 < KreAture_> found many of the issues went away with 7 instead of 5 in the flash latency config but not all 2015-01-05T17:25:40 < KreAture_> turns out the z chip runns the code fine 2015-01-05T17:25:44 < KreAture_> where the a faults 2015-01-05T17:25:51 < KreAture_> same binary 2015-01-05T17:25:57 < karlp> you're still one of the only people seeing this, just so you can feel special :) 2015-01-05T17:26:12 < KreAture_> yes, but atleast now I have some binaries that show the problem 2015-01-05T17:26:18 < KreAture_> and the binary works on one rev and not the other 2015-01-05T17:26:29 < KreAture_> May send the bin/elf to st so they can see it 2015-01-05T17:26:38 < KreAture_> atleast get it on the errata 2015-01-05T17:26:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:27:56 < KreAture_> What led me to start trying diff chips was the blank error registers 2015-01-05T17:28:13 < KreAture_> it was like it had faulted, but none of the regs telling the type of fault had any info 2015-01-05T17:28:26 < KreAture_> no flags set except the halt flag saying that it was triggering a hardfault 2015-01-05T17:28:43 < KreAture_> The errors came and went with code placement 2015-01-05T17:29:04 < KreAture_> and a few of em were flash latency dependant even though the latency was set high enough 2015-01-05T17:29:20 < KreAture_> atleast now I have confirmation 2015-01-05T17:29:52 < KreAture_> what pisses me off is that the devboard I have wasted so much time on was delivered from Farnell and cost a lot, while the devboard that runs it fine is a ebay board from germany for 1/3 the price 2015-01-05T17:30:04 < KreAture_> Needless to say, I ordered a few more from germany :) 2015-01-05T17:31:57 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.136.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T17:32:51 < decimad> KreAture_: Maybe the one specific board you have is simply broken ;) 2015-01-05T17:33:13 < KreAture_> no 2015-01-05T17:33:24 < KreAture_> I got a few ppl to download bins and test 2015-01-05T17:33:33 < KreAture_> I got reports of hardfaults matching mine 2015-01-05T17:33:39 < KreAture_> But not all 2015-01-05T17:33:55 < KreAture_> Those matching must have had Rev A and I can ask em to check that now 2015-01-05T17:34:19 < KreAture_> Others had no faults and could not reproduce what I was seeing and one of them confirmed yesterday he had rev Z 2015-01-05T17:35:16 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh809211983.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 2015-01-05T17:37:44 < decimad> KreAture_: Hrmmm, then consider yourself a lucky one... When was Rev A last produced? Is the problem solely the Flash access? Is it bus contention? 2015-01-05T17:38:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T17:40:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:40:55 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:41:58 < decimad> KreAture_: Did you see this one, considerung you're talking about USB all the time: https://www.aimagin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=421 2015-01-05T17:42:36 < dongs> decimad: what was that inverter shit youre innovating 2015-01-05T17:42:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-05T17:43:02 < decimad> dongs: it shits the shit out of every shitty shit! 2015-01-05T17:43:17 < dongs> :( 2015-01-05T17:43:56 < decimad> dongs: was there anything it particular you were interested? It's just a normal 3 phase inverter... or 3 half bridges, however you prefer. 2015-01-05T17:43:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.124.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:44:34 < dongs> no, just asking 2015-01-05T17:44:39 < dongs> what for? 2015-01-05T17:44:48 < dongs> to connect 3phase AC motor to single phase? 2015-01-05T17:45:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:45:10 < dongs> (and from what I know there's already exisitng products that do that shit and work) 2015-01-05T17:45:29 < KreAture_> yes decimad but the error happens before any usb code is executed 2015-01-05T17:46:26 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh8092122151.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:47:00 < decimad> dongs: Yes. Servo-Controlling a PMSM/BLDCs 2015-01-05T17:47:27 < decimad> dongs: there's hardly anything that a private person can do that noone with more people and more money hasn't done already 2015-01-05T17:47:46 < dongs> thats what innovation is 2015-01-05T17:50:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T17:51:11 < decimad> dongs: where can I buy distributed servo controls and motors for the small pocket? 2015-01-05T17:51:28 < dongs> dont even know what t hat is :) 2015-01-05T17:52:11 < qyx_> they are 200€+ 2015-01-05T17:52:20 < qyx_> for the smallest 2015-01-05T17:53:08 < decimad> I'm trying to get reasonably good at a price point not way above the shitty stepper stuff hobbyists mostly use 2015-01-05T17:53:32 < dongs> ugh 2015-01-05T17:53:45 < dongs> some dick is trying to convince me i should make a CF>sata adapter that fits into a CF slot 2015-01-05T17:53:50 < qyx_> last time i was investigating possibilities 2015-01-05T17:53:56 < qyx_> when i found out that i have to do pfc 2015-01-05T17:53:57 < dongs> surely someone already wasted a few hours of their life to do this 2015-01-05T17:54:25 < qyx_> cf->sata? what for? 2015-01-05T17:54:52 < scrts_w> CF->IDE IDE->SATA 2015-01-05T17:54:57 < scrts_w> already made 2015-01-05T17:55:00 < dongs> CF =~ IDE 2015-01-05T17:55:08 < decimad> I am not trying to sell this, so... also it's behind a pfc dc source... ;) 2015-01-05T17:55:23 < dongs> scrts_w: of course its already made 2015-01-05T17:55:30 < dongs> but is it made in a CF card form factor. 2015-01-05T17:55:49 < qyx_> decimad: any links? 2015-01-05T17:56:04 < qyx_> i will need something from 200Vdc->1phase or 3phase 2015-01-05T17:56:26 < qyx_> isolated 2015-01-05T17:56:57 < decimad> qyx_: no, I don't have any links for 200Vdc, but that's not the power region hobbyist stuff uses 2015-01-05T17:57:10 < dongs> pfffffft 2015-01-05T17:57:16 < dongs> hobbyist not allowed to kill themselves?? 2015-01-05T17:57:49 < qyx_> i assumed it is not for hobbyists 2015-01-05T17:57:51 < qyx_> :( 2015-01-05T17:57:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T17:59:06 < KreAture_> dongs I submitted a case. Let's see if anything happens :) 2015-01-05T17:59:18 < dongs> case to STMicro? 2015-01-05T18:00:11 < dongs> good fucking luck wiht that 2015-01-05T18:00:32 < qyx_> or maybe i coul replace water pump motor with something runnable from dc 2015-01-05T18:00:37 < dongs> they will probably just lol at you 2015-01-05T18:01:18 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/01/05/wait-a-3d-printed-lawn-mower/ 2015-01-05T18:01:21 < Laurenceb> trollfood 2015-01-05T18:01:24 < decimad> qyx_: what are you pumping there in the kW region? 2015-01-05T18:01:39 < qyx_> water 2015-01-05T18:01:56 < dongs> dicks, mostly 2015-01-05T18:02:13 < qyx_> from solar 2015-01-05T18:02:28 < decimad> Do you own a lake? :) 2015-01-05T18:02:40 < qyx_> it doesn't seem sane to me to use 12/24V solar inverter 2015-01-05T18:02:40 < qyx_> with 100A 2015-01-05T18:02:52 < qyx_> and higher voltage ones are expensive 2015-01-05T18:04:31 < decimad> Well, if you're moving the big stuff, you're going to have to pay the big price I fear... Affordable ends at 500W I believe... 2015-01-05T18:04:37 < qyx_> i should repurpose that idea from the past.. no pfc needed this time 2015-01-05T18:06:27 < decimad> Although one might get lucky to find larger motors now that electric bikes sell more... but need luck with chinese 2015-01-05T18:07:13 < qyx_> the pump is about 120€ for 1.5kW 2015-01-05T18:07:21 < qyx_> but wrong type of motor 2015-01-05T18:07:37 < decimad> probably brushed dc? 2015-01-05T18:08:11 < qyx_> no, induction motor 2015-01-05T18:08:24 < decimad> asynch, okay... what's wrong with that? 2015-01-05T18:08:25 < qyx_> squirell cage or how is it called 2015-01-05T18:08:35 < qyx_> doesn't work on dc 2015-01-05T18:08:42 < decimad> heh, yeah^^ 2015-01-05T18:10:50 < qyx_> i need this http://g04.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1deJRFVXXXXbdXXXXq6xXFXXXz/200617564/HTB1deJRFVXXXXbdXXXXq6xXFXXXz.jpg 2015-01-05T18:11:15 < dongs> china make it so eay 2015-01-05T18:11:20 < dongs> easy 2015-01-05T18:13:48 < decimad> Well, the inverter stays the same anyways... just need to replace FETs with IGBTs eventually... but getting the intermediate voltage, I have no expertise... 2015-01-05T18:14:11 < qyx_> weeeheee 0.5MW one 2015-01-05T18:14:19 < Laurenceb> growing weed? 2015-01-05T18:14:31 < decimad> hehe, didn't want to ask ;) 2015-01-05T18:15:09 < qyx_> No. 2015-01-05T18:15:40 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T18:23:48 < KreAture_> dongs what do I get if I succeed against stmicro ? 2015-01-05T18:23:52 < KreAture_> wlel not against, but with ? 2015-01-05T18:23:53 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-05T18:36:40 < rewolff> KreAture_: What CPU? I have a bunch of different CPUs here. 2015-01-05T18:39:49 < KreAture_> stm32f407VGT6 2015-01-05T18:40:08 < KreAture_> The revA one seems to give some odd harsfaults that are not explainable 2015-01-05T18:51:53 -!- Luggi09 [~Luggi09@cnh8092118122.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T18:52:57 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh8092122151.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-05T19:01:46 -!- _franck__ [56cbdea8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.203.222.168] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-01-05T19:15:04 < decimad> dongs: I could take a list of communication protocols and connectors plus a random generator that will spit out any combination... Chances are big that I'll innovate one day or another ;) 2015-01-05T19:16:10 < qyx_> this reminds me 2015-01-05T19:16:14 < qyx_> serial onsole over usb-A 2015-01-05T19:32:14 * KreAture_ sets up a project for his stm32f030f4p6 chips 2015-01-05T19:42:03 < KreAture_> dang 2015-01-05T19:42:13 < KreAture_> can't find my 20 pin breakout boards 2015-01-05T19:42:17 < KreAture_> only 16 2015-01-05T19:42:54 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@50.96.163.86] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T19:58:01 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 2015-01-05T19:58:37 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-ppplhqeivhdakwsz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-05T19:58:44 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:00:49 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-wtltlftkxfcpkkqx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:03:31 < kakeman> build house in hillside 2015-01-05T20:05:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.124.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-05T20:06:26 < Steffanx> isn't that nice kakeman? 2015-01-05T20:08:43 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-05T20:09:08 < kakeman> when you build house hillside you need no pumps 2015-01-05T20:12:28 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:12:32 < Steffanx> zyp lives in a house like that :P 2015-01-05T20:12:32 < Steffanx> or lived 2015-01-05T20:12:33 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-05T20:12:34 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-05T20:13:49 < kakeman> I live in house like that 2015-01-05T20:14:09 < kakeman> 4bar water preasure 2015-01-05T20:15:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:15:48 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:21:14 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-05T20:23:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.212] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:26:08 < karlp> fucking bar, stupid unit 2015-01-05T20:26:20 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:26:59 < kakeman> kilograms per square centimeter 2015-01-05T20:28:28 < qyx_> better than psi 2015-01-05T20:36:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-05T20:37:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-05T20:38:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:38:37 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.123] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T20:38:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-05T20:41:35 < Laurenceb> Pascals FTW 2015-01-05T20:45:05 < decimad> Damn, I didn't innovate on selfie-bars 2015-01-05T20:50:54 < Laurenceb> Mr tarduino is hired 2015-01-05T20:50:57 < Laurenceb> http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/ESB-Recruitment/jobs/Electronic-Circuit-Firmware-Engineer-6aa12ca942fa77c4 2015-01-05T20:51:59 < Steffanx> self motivated lol 2015-01-05T21:01:50 < qyx_> i hope they are not reffering to atmel avr 2015-01-05T21:03:15 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-238.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T21:05:20 < Steffanx> AVRs arent THAT bad.. 2015-01-05T21:11:08 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-238.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-05T21:22:04 < Laurenceb> http://107.2.74.68:8080/df/twincities/bom/bom15.jpg 2015-01-05T21:31:29 < kakeman> are we seeing fall of nations? 2015-01-05T21:34:02 < kakeman> Laurenceb: why you did that? 2015-01-05T21:34:24 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-05T21:34:34 < kakeman> you punk 2015-01-05T21:46:18 < zyp> Steffanx, huh? 2015-01-05T21:48:40 < Steffanx> nothing, all i remember is some rock in your basement :P 2015-01-05T21:49:29 < zyp> oh, right 2015-01-05T21:55:37 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-05T22:01:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-37-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T22:04:10 < qyx_> olol 2015-01-05T22:08:09 -!- jadew [~jadew@86.124.192.99] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-05T22:08:09 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T22:13:13 < kakeman> do you know is there leaked standard papers for sd-card protocol? 2015-01-05T22:13:45 < zyp> leaked? there's enough out there that's open 2015-01-05T22:13:46 < kakeman> I mean faster data transfer 2015-01-05T22:13:52 < zyp> how fast? 2015-01-05T22:14:00 < zyp> UHS-II? 2015-01-05T22:14:06 < kakeman> full speed 2015-01-05T22:14:22 < zyp> SD doesn't have a speed called full 2015-01-05T22:14:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/web/en/press/t3626d <- interesting 2015-01-05T22:15:06 < kakeman> so there is different protocols for different speeds :o 2015-01-05T22:15:53 < zyp> UHS-II is like the usb3 of SD, using completely new communication pins 2015-01-05T22:16:16 < zyp> say, what are you going to interface this with? 2015-01-05T22:16:42 < kakeman> it has to be fpga stuff or so 2015-01-05T22:16:48 < kakeman> just thinking 2015-01-05T22:16:58 < zyp> what's your goal? 2015-01-05T22:17:52 < kakeman> my goal is now to get some papers to my archive 2015-01-05T22:18:27 < zyp> https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/ 2015-01-05T22:18:38 < kakeman> just found stuff 2015-01-05T22:18:49 < zyp> the simplified specs should be comprehensive enough to implement something 2015-01-05T22:19:15 < kakeman> I have lived in illusion that sd card protocols are strictly closed and all you can do is spi 2015-01-05T22:19:33 < zyp> haha, no 2015-01-05T22:19:41 < kakeman> has it been so? 2015-01-05T22:20:00 < zyp> I've done SDIO on stm32 with only the simplified spec 2015-01-05T22:20:22 < zyp> I mean, SD protocol 2015-01-05T22:20:36 < zyp> I think part A2 is the relevant one for that 2015-01-05T22:20:55 < kakeman> I go straight to UHS-II 2015-01-05T22:22:04 < zyp> remember that you wouldn't be able to read legacy cards if you only support UHS-II 2015-01-05T22:22:27 < kakeman> does UHS-II cards lack spi? 2015-01-05T22:22:29 < zyp> personally I've still never owned an UHS-II card or any equipment capable of it :) 2015-01-05T22:22:52 < kakeman> I think I have UHS-I card in my raspi 2015-01-05T22:22:56 < zyp> no, I expect they still support all legacy protocol 2015-01-05T22:23:08 < zyp> yeah, UHS-I is just an extension of the basic stuff 2015-01-05T22:23:18 < zyp> with some mode change commands 2015-01-05T22:23:42 < zyp> cards start out at 3.3V, then they can negotiate down to 1.8V to run UHS-I 2015-01-05T22:24:46 < kakeman> lower power consumption? 2015-01-05T22:24:55 < zyp> no, higher speeds 2015-01-05T22:25:13 < upgrdman> why the lower voltages? 2015-01-05T22:25:17 < zyp> it's similar to how usb2 also changes signalling levels when switching to HS mode 2015-01-05T22:25:36 < zyp> because you can run it faster, of course 2015-01-05T22:25:47 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-05T22:26:12 < kakeman> so are IO 1.8v or even vcc? 2015-01-05T22:26:19 < zyp> IO 2015-01-05T22:26:21 < upgrdman> why? because of limited slew rate? so it can reach 1.8v faster than 3.3v? 2015-01-05T22:26:27 < zyp> I guess 2015-01-05T22:27:00 < zyp> in USB2's case it switches from 3.3V voltage level signalling to current loop signalling with a nominal voltage of 0.6V or whatever it was 2015-01-05T22:35:40 < kakeman> you don't have to have so rigid drivers to run lines 2015-01-05T22:36:05 < kakeman> lower emissions and power consumption 2015-01-05T22:36:12 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acad8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-05T22:59:27 < emeb> whee - got Waveshare LAN8720 board working on an F407 Discovery w/ gcc 2015-01-05T22:59:59 < emeb> now I just need to understand what all that crap is doing... 2015-01-05T23:01:55 < qyx_> ethernetting! 2015-01-05T23:02:49 < qyx_> and it is not that hard, using lwip with socket api you can just copy&paste most of your code 2015-01-05T23:02:54 < qyx_> already working on posix 2015-01-05T23:05:35 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-05T23:07:11 < emeb> yeah - the demo code I ganked is all lwip 2015-01-05T23:41:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-05T23:45:27 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Jan 06 2015 2015-01-06T00:00:40 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:02:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-06T00:04:02 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acad8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-06T00:11:11 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-01-06T00:19:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:20:09 -!- Luggi09 is now known as Lux 2015-01-06T00:20:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-06T00:21:00 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-06T00:21:28 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:21:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:23:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-37-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-06T00:29:25 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-06T00:34:57 * KreAture_ is having issues connecting to the stm32f030 in swd mode 2015-01-06T00:36:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-06T00:39:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:39:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-06T00:39:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:41:24 * qyx_ was not having issues 2015-01-06T00:42:12 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-06T00:42:31 < KreAture_> using connect under reset I can get it to ID the chip corectly 2015-01-06T00:42:35 < KreAture_> but it cannot connect 2015-01-06T00:43:00 < KreAture_> I assume there is some extra pin/solderbridge somewhere on my discovery board 2015-01-06T00:43:09 < KreAture_> I am using the discovery board as a swd debugger 2015-01-06T00:44:23 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-06T00:44:40 < qyx_> have you removed swd jumpers? 2015-01-06T00:45:02 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:45:14 < qyx_> i am using L discovery as debugger 2015-01-06T00:49:18 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-06T00:49:27 < KreAture_> but my board had SB11 fitted 2015-01-06T00:49:48 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:49:57 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-06T00:50:30 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-06T00:50:44 < KreAture_> connections must be ok as it finds the right chip id when I use connect under reset 2015-01-06T00:51:42 < KreAture_> Upgrading swd firmware 2015-01-06T00:51:45 < KreAture_> maby that helps 2015-01-06T00:52:29 < KreAture_> unexpected error 2015-01-06T00:54:28 < KreAture_> Is there any way to set a slow clock or something ? 2015-01-06T00:55:13 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.37.118] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T00:56:32 < KreAture_> This thing runs of internal clock 2015-01-06T01:00:37 < qyx_> what are you doing with it 2015-01-06T01:02:15 < KreAture_> probably crosstalk 2015-01-06T01:02:34 < KreAture_> I am making a emulator for the Neato robotics lcd 2015-01-06T01:07:16 < KreAture_> yep, crosstalk between clk and data 2015-01-06T01:07:26 < KreAture_> I used a 1ft long ribbon cable 2015-01-06T01:08:54 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T01:14:44 < kakeman> :| 2015-01-06T01:15:03 < kakeman> KreAture_: what is your age? 2015-01-06T01:15:08 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T01:15:17 < zyp> 13 2015-01-06T01:15:18 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 2015-01-06T01:15:21 < kakeman> let me guess 2015-01-06T01:16:17 < zyp> KreAture_, sounds like the problem I had with fpga loading 2015-01-06T01:16:47 < kakeman> 27 2015-01-06T01:17:08 < KreAture_> kakeman 36 2015-01-06T01:17:22 * KreAture_ is an old fart 2015-01-06T01:18:24 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/v0OjW.JPG <- the red wire over to the fpga board provides the master clock for the fpga logic, for some reason pushing 84 MHz through it doesn't work all that well :) 2015-01-06T01:19:30 < KreAture_> well, I didn't expect this to try 50 MHz but it is 2015-01-06T01:19:32 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T01:19:36 < KreAture_> hmm 2015-01-06T01:19:41 < KreAture_> something odd again 2015-01-06T01:19:46 < KreAture_> can this be fake chips ? 2015-01-06T01:19:51 < kakeman> by your enthusiasm I can't tell 2015-01-06T01:20:05 < KreAture_> Hardfault on first instruction seems unlikely 2015-01-06T01:20:05 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T01:20:19 < qyx_> trash-your-toolchain 2015-01-06T01:20:38 < qyx_> you are continuously having "unexpected" hardfaults 2015-01-06T01:20:49 < kakeman> esd? 2015-01-06T01:21:01 < qyx_> or maybe its just the aura 2015-01-06T01:21:46 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T01:21:49 < KreAture_> found the issue 2015-01-06T01:21:52 < KreAture_> mem was not programmed 2015-01-06T01:21:53 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T01:21:58 < KreAture_> unknown instruction 2015-01-06T01:21:59 < KreAture_> haha 2015-01-06T01:22:00 < inca> anyone here use the Teensy? 2015-01-06T01:22:42 < zyp> why? 2015-01-06T01:24:01 < KreAture_> zyp you know if the I2C engine in the stm32 can act as a sniffer, aka trigger on any address ? 2015-01-06T01:24:31 < zyp> not off the top of my head 2015-01-06T01:24:45 < zyp> should be easy to look up though 2015-01-06T01:26:06 < zyp> no, it doesn't 2015-01-06T01:26:25 < zyp> you can have it match on two different addrs, but there's no wildcard option 2015-01-06T01:27:25 < zyp> but if you're just going to sniff, I guess you might as well just use SPI 2015-01-06T01:28:39 < KreAture_> well, I am going to emulate the display 2015-01-06T01:28:44 < KreAture_> so I will be acting as a device 2015-01-06T01:28:48 < KreAture_> I am just finding the address first 2015-01-06T01:29:08 < zyp> heh 2015-01-06T01:30:24 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.37.118] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-06T01:30:24 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T01:41:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-83-227-153-146.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-06T01:43:47 -!- rk[1] [~rak@164.107.116.158] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-06T01:46:48 < decimad> A device listening on address access of the internal busses? How does that work? 2015-01-06T01:47:03 < decimad> I mean any access... as in configurable 2015-01-06T01:47:37 < decimad> I mean, obviously they must be listening on the busses, didn't expect there was a way to sniff the traffic? O.O 2015-01-06T01:48:41 < KreAture_> You can enable dual device address and set mask to 7 to get it to acknowledge all addresses 2015-01-06T01:48:54 < KreAture_> zyp 2015-01-06T01:49:16 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-01-06T01:51:59 < zyp> you can? register documentation says nothing about that 2015-01-06T01:53:14 < dongs> on ST? 2015-01-06T01:53:22 < dongs> you mean i paid zyp for software i2c slave for nothing? :) 2015-01-06T01:53:52 < zyp> oh, wow, I forgot I wrote that once 2015-01-06T01:53:56 < KreAture_> :p 2015-01-06T01:54:18 < KreAture_> It sais in the docs that you can enable dual address mode and then set the mask to 7 to ignore all address bits 2015-01-06T01:54:24 < KreAture_> Not got it to work yet though 2015-01-06T01:56:20 < zyp> where does it say that? 2015-01-06T01:58:00 < emeb> code size comparison on the f407 http ethernet project: keil mdk arm v5 42kB (before optimization), gcc 4.9 (-O2) 108kB 2015-01-06T01:58:47 < zyp> heh 2015-01-06T01:59:05 < emeb> wonder if I've got all the options set correctly... 2015-01-06T01:59:09 < zyp> does armcc do LTO? 2015-01-06T01:59:15 < dongs> it could 2015-01-06T01:59:27 < Laurenceb_> dongs never sleeps 2015-01-06T01:59:38 < zyp> it's 9am over there now 2015-01-06T01:59:48 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2015-01-06T02:00:00 < Laurenceb_> i went home from work and did some shopping 2015-01-06T02:00:09 < Laurenceb_> and dongs is already up again 2015-01-06T02:00:21 < Laurenceb_> and back to daily trolling 2015-01-06T02:00:30 < zyp> you need to be awake to innovate 2015-01-06T02:00:42 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-01-06T02:00:42 < emeb> hey - that rhymes! 2015-01-06T02:00:53 < emeb> poet zyp 2015-01-06T02:00:59 < Laurenceb_> new business buzzword/phrase 2015-01-06T02:01:07 < emeb> +1 2015-01-06T02:01:18 < Laurenceb_> I shall promote it immediately 2015-01-06T02:02:11 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T02:02:41 < ds2> hmmmm 2015-01-06T02:04:01 < Laurenceb_> comparing with O2 isnt a fair comparison? 2015-01-06T02:04:43 < zyp> in what way? 2015-01-06T02:04:52 < KreAture_> zyp you remember if slave on stm32 is set up for input or AF ? 2015-01-06T02:04:59 < zyp> AF 2015-01-06T02:05:00 < Laurenceb_> well, what was keil set to? 2015-01-06T02:05:11 < KreAture_> can't seem to get it to go into slave mode 2015-01-06T02:05:17 < emeb> checking keil 2015-01-06T02:05:25 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwww keil 2015-01-06T02:06:18 < zyp> KreAture_, on new style GPIO blocks, AF mode is always AF regardless of whether it's input or output, otherwise it wouldn't know which pin to map to the peripheral 2015-01-06T02:06:32 < KreAture_> yeh 2015-01-06T02:06:37 < KreAture_> I figured 2015-01-06T02:07:09 < zyp> on F1, inputs could be kept as inputs since remaps were handled separately 2015-01-06T02:07:30 < KreAture_> yeh 2015-01-06T02:07:44 < KreAture_> Hmm, I need to set up the clocks I think as I am still not getting squat 2015-01-06T02:08:07 < emeb> keil set for -O1 2015-01-06T02:09:18 < ds2> hey emeb 2015-01-06T02:09:55 < zyp> emeb, comparing arbitrary levels makes for pretty uninteresting benchmarks 2015-01-06T02:10:30 < ds2> emeb: not sure if you have tried this with that receiver project - one comment I got about is a filter might be needed in front of the amp to avoid saturating it 2015-01-06T02:10:36 < zyp> for a useful comparison, both compilers must be set to the settings providing the best results for whatever metric you're comparing 2015-01-06T02:11:07 < emeb> zyp: -O2 gives 40kB on keil 2015-01-06T02:11:21 < emeb> ds2: hey ds2 - whazzup? 2015-01-06T02:11:44 < zyp> emeb, no big difference between -O1 and -O2 then 2015-01-06T02:11:45 < emeb> ds2: yes - filtering prior to a QSD is definitely needed. 2015-01-06T02:12:01 < ds2> emeb: your schematic has a filter after the amp 2015-01-06T02:12:06 < emeb> QSD has serious harmonic imaging issues. 2015-01-06T02:12:50 < ds2> emeb: not my personal comments - I was showing your project as simple RF related FPGA project to someone who knows RF but is startting out on digital 2015-01-06T02:13:16 < emeb> zyp: right. and since this is the code-size limited version of keil I can't link, so who knows what the final binary size would actually be after LTO 2015-01-06T02:13:49 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-06T02:13:59 < emeb> ds2: that board is designed to be part of a larger system with filtering upstream. 2015-01-06T02:14:13 < ds2> ah 2015-01-06T02:15:50 < emeb> I've been looking for a good variable LPF in the 0.5-30MHz range and haven't found anything economical. 2015-01-06T02:16:11 < ds2> what order? 2015-01-06T02:16:22 < emeb> ADI makes some, but they're designed for hooking to dual ADCs and are $$$ 2015-01-06T02:16:45 < emeb> Looking for something ~6th order 2015-01-06T02:16:53 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-06T02:17:08 < ds2> pile of varactors? :D 2015-01-06T02:17:25 < emeb> shyeah - calibrate that sucker. :) 2015-01-06T02:17:44 < ds2> couldn't you throw a F0 in there to handle it? 2015-01-06T02:18:07 < ds2> something like flash in the curves of the varactor then have it adjust it based on temp. 2015-01-06T02:18:42 < emeb> probably. just hunting around for something monolithic before I got that route. 2015-01-06T02:19:29 < emeb> that ZIF chip that R2COM linked last night might work, but again has a lot of other crud I don't need. 2015-01-06T02:20:39 < ds2> I wonder if you can do mechanical tuning by moving the core of a coil in and out to cover that range 2015-01-06T02:20:56 < emeb> interesting idea 2015-01-06T02:20:59 < emeb> bbiab... 2015-01-06T02:21:03 < ds2> or maybe even a Q multiplier thingie 2015-01-06T02:24:54 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-06T02:24:59 < Laurenceb_> this looks relevant to my interests www.canbex.co.uk/ 2015-01-06T02:25:44 < Laurenceb_> awww they reworded the site 2015-01-06T02:26:04 < Laurenceb_> used to say "cannaboid" in large font :P 2015-01-06T02:26:32 < Laurenceb_> so anyway, Kiel pwns GCC? 2015-01-06T02:26:51 < Laurenceb_> which GCC build is this? launchpad one? 2015-01-06T02:27:32 < zyp> emeb, uh, you're measuring code size of unlinked code? 2015-01-06T02:27:51 < Laurenceb_> inb4 argument 2015-01-06T02:30:55 < zyp> when there's a 2.5x difference, I'm pretty sure there's another difference at work than simply «armcc is better than gcc» 2015-01-06T02:34:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2015-01-06T02:34:59 < Laurenceb_> ive benchmarked them as very similar in the past 2015-01-06T02:35:04 < Laurenceb_> tho on simpler projects 2015-01-06T02:35:12 < Laurenceb_> I have Kiel at work 2015-01-06T02:35:19 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2015-01-06T02:35:24 < zyp> also, -Os would be appropriate for gcc if you're measuring size 2015-01-06T02:36:08 < zyp> though, code speed would be more interesting to know 2015-01-06T02:36:13 < zyp> :) 2015-01-06T02:41:06 < ds2> thought armcc is mainly known for faster code? not necessarily smaller code 2015-01-06T02:41:31 < zyp> I don't know, every time this topic comes up, all people talk about is code size 2015-01-06T02:41:48 < ds2> but the armcc sales guys seems to point out speed 2015-01-06T02:44:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-06T02:49:13 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@ip-50-21-138-157.dsl.netrevolution.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T02:49:24 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-06T02:49:28 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@ip-50-21-138-157.dsl.netrevolution.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-06T02:49:28 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T02:51:09 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T02:51:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T02:51:32 < emeb> zyp: I'm going by the code size that the keil linker reports before halting due to the code size limitation. 2015-01-06T02:52:03 < zyp> so it links, measures size, and throws away the result? :) 2015-01-06T02:52:24 < emeb> yes 2015-01-06T02:52:45 < ds2> hmmmm an undelete-able filesystem.... 2015-01-06T02:52:45 < zyp> wonder if it would be possible to just compile with armcc and then link with ld 2015-01-06T02:52:57 < ds2> armcc uses some funky format 2015-01-06T02:52:58 < emeb> -Os on gcc gives 104kB 2015-01-06T02:53:11 < ds2> <-- up to eyeballs with armcc :( 2015-01-06T02:53:17 < zyp> try LTO? 2015-01-06T02:53:41 < emeb> I'm using -ffunction-sections 2015-01-06T02:53:49 < emeb> what else? 2015-01-06T02:54:10 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-06T02:54:19 < zyp> I haven't used LTO myself, so I'm not sure about the exact flags 2015-01-06T02:54:23 < zyp> I think there's an -flto 2015-01-06T02:55:20 < emeb> yes 2015-01-06T02:55:26 < emeb> with that it's 91kB 2015-01-06T02:56:08 < emeb> ah - keil is linking against micro LIB 2015-01-06T02:56:17 < emeb> wonder if there's an equivalent for gcc... 2015-01-06T02:56:20 < zyp> --specs=nano.specs 2015-01-06T02:56:22 < zyp> to the linker 2015-01-06T02:57:33 < emeb> ok - now 88kB 2015-01-06T02:58:20 < zyp> wonder how much of that is your code and how much is libc code 2015-01-06T02:58:21 < emeb> and it still runs on the HW. :) 2015-01-06T02:58:47 < emeb> good question 2015-01-06T02:58:59 < emeb> I think there are some printf() in there 2015-01-06T02:59:10 < emeb> that usually pulls in a lot of junk 2015-01-06T03:00:25 < zyp> I'm kinda curious how armcc would compare to gcc on my code, wonder if I could get it to build :) 2015-01-06T03:00:38 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-06T03:00:38 < zyp> ARM Compiler supports a large subset of the language features of C++11. 2015-01-06T03:03:19 < emeb> wtf - looking through the logs for this channel and R2COM doesn't show up 2015-01-06T03:03:42 < emeb> even in areas where I know I was talking to him. 2015-01-06T03:03:59 < emeb> some sort of NOLOG flag set for him? 2015-01-06T03:04:23 < zyp> isn't the logs from jpa-? I think he has R2COM on ignore 2015-01-06T03:04:41 < emeb> ah - makes sense. 2015-01-06T03:04:54 < emeb> makes it hard to recall links he posted. :P 2015-01-06T03:04:56 < zyp> hmm, looks like all the C++11 features I'm using are supported by armcc 2015-01-06T03:05:06 < emeb> time for experiments 2015-01-06T03:05:49 < zyp> I'd still have to deal with inline assembly and maybe a few gcc-specific attributes, but that shouldn't be too hard 2015-01-06T03:06:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T03:06:51 < emeb_mac> ds2: check out this part: TRF371125 2015-01-06T03:08:14 < emeb_mac> ugh - $23 and non-stock @ DK 2015-01-06T03:08:40 < zyp> hmm, armcc's support for inline assembly looks pretty useless 2015-01-06T03:09:33 < zyp> oh, wait, it has two kinds 2015-01-06T03:09:39 < zyp> inline assembly and embedded assembly 2015-01-06T03:09:58 < ds2> emeb_mac: thought you got a rcvr? 2015-01-06T03:10:29 < emeb_mac> ds2: more interested in the tunable filters in the I/Q output path 2015-01-06T03:11:51 < zyp> embedded assembly looks rather useless too 2015-01-06T03:13:59 < emeb_mac> ds2: here's the ADI part - http://www.analog.com/en/rfif-components/rfif-attentuators-vga-filters/adrf6510/products/product.html 2015-01-06T03:14:49 < emeb_mac> $19 @ DK 2015-01-06T03:15:10 < ds2> ah 2015-01-06T03:15:20 < ds2> 20 sounds steep 2015-01-06T03:16:13 < emeb_mac> yeah 2015-01-06T03:16:40 < emeb_mac> 12th order though 2015-01-06T03:17:16 < englishman> zyp: i was messing with armcc inline asm today 2015-01-06T03:17:18 < englishman> what do you wanna do? 2015-01-06T03:19:15 < zyp> context switch and a few inlineable intrinsics 2015-01-06T03:20:38 < zyp> the constraints of gcc's inline asm is nice to ensure the code behaves right while allowing the compiler to optimize usage of it 2015-01-06T03:21:10 < KreAture_> zyp seems like the display that lists i2c is really using some odd 9 bit system 2015-01-06T03:21:13 < KreAture_> ;( 2015-01-06T03:21:36 < KreAture_> I don't get any hits on the i2c interrupts as it never seems to trigger correctly 2015-01-06T03:21:38 < KreAture_> ;( 2015-01-06T03:21:52 < KreAture_> I can see on the analyser that it's too many bits hehe 2015-01-06T03:22:00 < zyp> armcc's inline asm doesn't have constraints, and might therefore produce weird code, and embedded asm are pretty much asm-only functions for people who are too lazy to put them in a standalone file 2015-01-06T03:22:33 < zyp> KreAture_, how so? i2c is eight bits and ack? 2015-01-06T03:22:59 < KreAture_> shit forgot the ack 2015-01-06T03:23:00 < KreAture_> LOL 2015-01-06T03:23:02 < KreAture_> great 2015-01-06T03:23:04 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-06T03:23:12 < KreAture_> man it's been a while 2015-01-06T03:24:34 * KreAture_ turns the address around 2015-01-06T03:24:54 < zyp> remember that the low bit of the addr is r7w 2015-01-06T03:24:55 < zyp> r/w 2015-01-06T03:29:00 < KreAture_> yeah and it comes in backwards 2015-01-06T03:29:03 < KreAture_> lsb first 2015-01-06T03:29:51 < zyp> uh, isn't i2c msb first? 2015-01-06T03:30:44 < zyp> yeah, it's msb first 2015-01-06T03:31:05 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/owfdR.png <- here's an old screenshot that clearly shows that 2015-01-06T03:31:42 < KreAture_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C2%B2C 2015-01-06T03:32:23 < zyp> quoting that article: «The address and the data bytes are sent most significant bit first.» 2015-01-06T03:32:30 < KreAture_> taht shows 00110010 which is exactly what I get hehe 2015-01-06T03:32:40 < KreAture_> in that order, but it sais it is 0x19 2015-01-06T03:33:11 < zyp> yeah, it's bitshifted 2015-01-06T03:33:28 < zyp> addr is 0011001 which is 0x19, and then r/w bit is 0 2015-01-06T03:33:55 < zyp> that's why addr is the same both in the read and the write cases 2015-01-06T03:33:56 < KreAture_> crap 2015-01-06T03:34:03 < upgrdman> LOL http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FUpvRcQR8Eg/VKpv8nNwxQI/AAAAAAAAAqM/NxNtB7xZQ3M/s1600/steve%2Bo.gif 2015-01-06T03:34:10 < zyp> otherwise it'd show up as 0x32 and 0x33 2015-01-06T03:34:18 < KreAture_> I see 2015-01-06T03:34:19 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-06T03:34:41 < KreAture_> shit I hate those sniffers that doo too much 2015-01-06T03:34:42 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T03:34:53 < zyp> it's an option, I prefer setting it like that 2015-01-06T03:36:06 < zyp> upgrdman, reminds me of a vid I saw once of a person in a plane puking in a bag, right before the plane goes into a dive 2015-01-06T03:36:07 < KreAture_> I need to remember to bitshift it in the stm32 setup struct too 2015-01-06T03:36:08 < KreAture_> shit 2015-01-06T03:36:20 < upgrdman> zyp, nice 2015-01-06T03:36:43 < zyp> I think I've standardized on 7-bit addrs in my lib 2015-01-06T03:37:18 < zyp> but I haven't touched i2c in a couple of years 2015-01-06T03:38:19 < KreAture_> fun it's the same address though ? 2015-01-06T03:38:39 < zyp> what do you mean? 2015-01-06T03:38:53 < KreAture_> I am looking at the traffic here 2015-01-06T03:38:56 < KreAture_> on my scope 2015-01-06T03:39:00 < KreAture_> for the neato lcd display 2015-01-06T03:39:03 < zyp> yes? 2015-01-06T03:39:09 < KreAture_> and it's 0x19 address 2015-01-06T03:39:35 < KreAture_> I think it's continously polling status from the lcd 2015-01-06T03:39:36 < zyp> well, there's only 128 to pick from 2015-01-06T03:40:07 < KreAture_> wish I didn't have so much issues with the debugger though 2015-01-06T03:40:31 < KreAture_> probably too long wires on the swd 2015-01-06T03:40:58 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/drivers/lsm303dlm.h <- in my case, I weren't interfacing with a display :) 2015-01-06T03:41:28 < KreAture_> yeh have a few lsm303 and lis33's 2015-01-06T03:42:20 < zyp> hmm, wait, I don't even think it's that code 2015-01-06T03:44:39 < zyp> no, it's somebody else's code for the f3disco I were testing 2015-01-06T03:46:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-06T03:55:46 < KreAture_> I am missing something 2015-01-06T03:55:51 < KreAture_> like I am not in proper slave mode 2015-01-06T03:56:04 < KreAture_> sbc is 0 2015-01-06T03:57:38 < KreAture_> that is right as I want it to do the rx 2015-01-06T04:05:29 < kakeman> *KreAture_ goes in slave mode* 2015-01-06T04:05:35 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T04:07:39 * kakeman gets the whip 2015-01-06T04:09:39 < kakeman> do you eat lots of salmon KreAture_? 2015-01-06T04:11:41 < emeb_mac> it puts the lotion on its skin... 2015-01-06T04:12:27 < KreAture_> zyp what am I doing wrong here 2015-01-06T04:12:46 < KreAture_> I can see the busy flag being raised and apparantly that happens on address match 2015-01-06T04:13:00 < KreAture_> but no interrupt is firing 2015-01-06T04:19:19 < zyp> what? you should get the ADDR flag on address match, no? 2015-01-06T04:19:31 < zyp> note that I've never done slave mode, so I might be wrong 2015-01-06T04:21:47 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-06T04:22:20 < KreAture_> Not getting anything 2015-01-06T04:22:21 < KreAture_> odd 2015-01-06T04:22:27 < KreAture_> I have clocked the hw 2015-01-06T04:22:32 < KreAture_> I have clocked the io 2015-01-06T04:23:03 < zyp> say, do you see activity on the bus now? :) 2015-01-06T04:23:18 < zyp> I suspect you forgot to set the pins to OD 2015-01-06T04:23:43 < qyx_> i think i am having some dejavu 2015-01-06T04:24:21 < zyp> forgetting to set pins to OD is like a rite of passage for i2c 2015-01-06T04:24:32 < KreAture_> yes the lcd is currently being pummelled 2015-01-06T04:24:40 < KreAture_> They are od 2015-01-06T04:24:52 < KreAture_> pinInit.GPIO_OType = GPIO_OType_OD; 2015-01-06T04:25:03 < zyp> okay 2015-01-06T04:25:30 < KreAture_> and the right AF 2015-01-06T04:25:35 < KreAture_> af 4 for this chip 2015-01-06T04:25:36 < qyx_> pullups? 2015-01-06T04:25:40 < KreAture_> external 2015-01-06T04:25:49 < KreAture_> I am really sitting in paralell with the lcd atm 2015-01-06T04:26:15 < KreAture_> just trying to get the address match and such 2015-01-06T04:26:21 < KreAture_> not getting any int 2015-01-06T04:26:34 < KreAture_> NVIC_InitTypeDef NVIC_InitStructure; 2015-01-06T04:26:34 < KreAture_> NVIC_InitStructure.NVIC_IRQChannel = I2C1_IRQn; 2015-01-06T04:26:34 < KreAture_> NVIC_InitStructure.NVIC_IRQChannelPriority = 1; 2015-01-06T04:26:34 < KreAture_> NVIC_InitStructure.NVIC_IRQChannelCmd = ENABLE; 2015-01-06T04:26:34 < KreAture_> NVIC_Init(&NVIC_InitStructure); 2015-01-06T04:26:37 < KreAture_> ofcource 2015-01-06T04:26:42 < KreAture_> and I2C_ITConfig(I2C1, I2C_IT_ERRI | I2C_IT_TCI | I2C_IT_STOPI | I2C_IT_NACKI 2015-01-06T04:26:43 < KreAture_> | I2C_IT_ADDRI | I2C_IT_RXI | I2C_IT_TXI, ENABLE); 2015-01-06T04:26:59 < KreAture_> still nada 2015-01-06T04:27:17 < KreAture_> isn't there some sort of byte control reg too, for not using dma etc ? 2015-01-06T04:30:40 < KreAture_> Hmm, not swapping data and clock may help 2015-01-06T04:30:42 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-06T04:30:48 < KreAture_> bingo 2015-01-06T04:30:50 < KreAture_> LOLZ 2015-01-06T04:34:25 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@ip-96-43-227-130.dsl.netrevolution.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T04:34:28 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@ip-96-43-227-130.dsl.netrevolution.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-06T04:34:28 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T04:36:00 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-06T05:16:36 < GargantuaSauce> i too am a pro at debugging harware problems in software 2015-01-06T05:32:58 < emeb_mac> whazzat? 2015-01-06T05:35:23 < emeb_mac> what ethernet chip? 2015-01-06T05:36:20 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-06T05:36:40 < emeb_mac> yup 2015-01-06T05:36:55 < emeb_mac> what's the chip near the pmod connector? 2015-01-06T05:38:24 < emeb_mac> nifty 2015-01-06T05:38:31 < emeb_mac> what's in the big module? 2015-01-06T05:38:49 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-06T05:40:21 < emeb_mac> looks fun 2015-01-06T05:40:43 < emeb_mac> that SMD-only micro usb? 2015-01-06T05:41:05 < emeb_mac> rip and tear bruno 2015-01-06T05:41:32 < emeb_mac> no thru-holes = structurally unsound 2015-01-06T05:41:50 < emeb_mac> those things come off if you look at them funny 2015-01-06T05:42:43 < emeb_mac> dunno, but those have a case holdingthem in place 2015-01-06T05:43:11 < emeb_mac> you can get micro A/B with thru-hole pins for the shell 2015-01-06T05:43:18 < emeb_mac> and smd for the signals 2015-01-06T05:43:20 < qyx_> i have 2015-01-06T05:43:28 < qyx_> or you can place vias underneath 2015-01-06T05:44:51 < qyx_> hm, whats that eth phy? 2015-01-06T05:45:01 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-06T05:45:06 < qyx_> or whatever is it 2015-01-06T05:45:08 < qyx_> wfn on the right 2015-01-06T05:45:10 < qyx_> *wfn 2015-01-06T05:45:13 < qyx_> *qfn 2015-01-06T05:45:21 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T05:45:24 < emeb_mac> http://www.wiznet.co.kr/Sub_Modules/en/product/Product_Detail.asp?cate1=&cate2=&cate3=&pid=1193 2015-01-06T05:45:24 < qyx_> too many pins 2015-01-06T05:45:28 < emeb_mac> wiznet 2015-01-06T05:45:30 < qyx_> uhm 2015-01-06T05:45:53 < qyx_> i see now, spi connected 2015-01-06T05:56:20 < qyx_> speaking of innovations 2015-01-06T05:56:39 < qyx_> anyone tried those GaN fets? 2015-01-06T05:56:53 < qyx_> i don't even know if they are available yet 2015-01-06T05:57:26 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-06T05:57:30 < qyx_> i mean power fets, not rf 2015-01-06T05:58:10 < qyx_> http://www.ti.com/ww/en/analog/power_management/gan.html 2015-01-06T05:59:02 < qyx_> nothing, i just saw them today 2015-01-06T06:03:36 < qyx_> seems that only prototypes are available 2015-01-06T06:04:50 < qyx_> http://www.irf.com/product-info/ganpowir/ganpcim.pdf 2015-01-06T06:04:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-06T06:05:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:16:57 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-06T06:18:34 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:27:56 < upgrdman> pretty http://news.3m.com/sites/3m.newshq.businesswire.com/files/press_kit/additional/novec_immersion_cooling_data_center2_0.jpg 2015-01-06T06:28:25 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:34:11 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-06T06:36:16 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@50.96.163.86] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 2015-01-06T06:38:45 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@50.96.163.86] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:40:43 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-199-255-218-99.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-06T06:42:23 < upgrdman> i did 2015-01-06T06:42:37 < upgrdman> dunno 2015-01-06T06:42:54 < upgrdman> both of my scope shipped the next business day 2015-01-06T06:43:12 < upgrdman> i had an 1102 2015-01-06T06:43:15 < upgrdman> and have a 4014 2015-01-06T06:44:14 < ds2> is a rigol better then a used tek? 2015-01-06T06:44:19 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@50.96.163.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-06T06:44:24 < upgrdman> the eevdildos seem to like TEquipment, and they offer an eevblog discount iirc 2015-01-06T06:44:30 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes. 2015-01-06T06:44:42 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-06T06:46:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, my scope is 2gsps for four channels, or 4gsps for one or two channels 2015-01-06T06:46:11 < upgrdman> e.g. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/inductor_waveform.png 2015-01-06T06:46:31 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:46:42 < upgrdman> and http://www.farrellf.com/temp/open-drain-pull-up.png 2015-01-06T06:47:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugbenlnvumrhacwy] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:48:30 < upgrdman> iirc rill can hack the bandwidth 2015-01-06T06:48:35 < upgrdman> err riglol 2015-01-06T06:49:03 < upgrdman> http://gotroot.ca/rigol/riglol/ 2015-01-06T06:49:24 < upgrdman> mmm nm. bw hack for ds2000, not ds4000 2015-01-06T06:50:06 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@50.96.163.86] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:50:31 < upgrdman> i currently don't have a need for it 2015-01-06T06:50:49 < upgrdman> and when i have a need for it, i'll splurge on an MDO or something for like $10k 2015-01-06T06:51:24 < upgrdman> oscope+spec an+log anal 2015-01-06T06:51:33 < upgrdman> iirc dong has a tek mdo 2015-01-06T06:51:55 < upgrdman> http://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/mdo4000-mixed-domain-oscilloscope 2015-01-06T06:52:07 < upgrdman> so you can correlate analog, digital and rf 2015-01-06T06:52:54 < upgrdman> i have no need 2015-01-06T06:52:55 < upgrdman> but 2015-01-06T06:53:08 < upgrdman> for some good examples, check out the TheSignalPathBlog videos on youtube 2015-01-06T06:54:23 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-199-255-218-99.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T06:55:25 < upgrdman> but no correlation 2015-01-06T06:55:43 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-06T06:55:50 < upgrdman> its an hour long :) 2015-01-06T06:56:22 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-06T06:56:37 < upgrdman> correction: 2 hours long 2015-01-06T06:56:38 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyzwS5Ozb7U 2015-01-06T06:57:24 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T07:00:02 < upgrdman> he demos the usefulness 2015-01-06T07:00:10 < upgrdman> again, i have no need, but its a nice tool 2015-01-06T07:04:32 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T07:04:42 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T07:04:54 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-01-06T07:06:43 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-06T07:10:20 < emeb_mac> I've seen some situations where those are very useful 2015-01-06T07:10:33 < emeb_mac> debugging complex wireless comm protocols 2015-01-06T07:11:04 < emeb_mac> but not something I'm likely to need for my personal work 2015-01-06T07:11:29 < emeb_mac> yes 2015-01-06T07:11:49 < emeb_mac> and it can probably speed up debugging when schedules are tight 2015-01-06T07:12:09 < emeb_mac> but you could get by without it if you have time to do things the old fashioned way 2015-01-06T07:12:39 < emeb_mac> yes 2015-01-06T07:12:50 < emeb_mac> combine multiple tools 2015-01-06T07:13:22 < emeb_mac> use labview and/or other control 2015-01-06T07:15:21 < emeb_mac> bunnie describes reverse-engineering some chinese cheap hardware with one of those: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 2015-01-06T07:15:29 < emeb_mac> likes the protocol analysis 2015-01-06T07:17:07 < emeb_mac> but you can get a lot of the functionality with something as simple as the saleae logic analyzer. 2015-01-06T07:28:49 < upgrdman> ya i don't think they design basics 2015-01-06T07:29:12 < emeb_mac> rigol uses regular parts, but often beyond their design spec 2015-01-06T07:29:45 < emeb_mac> IIRC their cheap scopes use fast ADCs overclocked 2015-01-06T07:30:02 < emeb_mac> R2COM: what's to calibrate? 2015-01-06T07:30:22 < emeb_mac> frequency is crystal controlled - should easily be good to 10ppm or better 2015-01-06T07:30:42 < emeb_mac> amplitude may vary slightly, but it's not critical 2015-01-06T07:30:58 < upgrdman> I'm not at all demanding, but my 1102 and 4014 have not shown signs of aging. 2015-01-06T07:31:11 < upgrdman> e.g. no offsets between different volts/div, etc. 2015-01-06T07:32:13 < emeb_mac> R2COM: maybe. I haven't calibrated it in the 8 yrs I've had it 2015-01-06T07:32:17 < emeb_mac> still works fine. 2015-01-06T07:32:46 < emeb_mac> there's even a firmware upgrade for it available but I haven't done it. 2015-01-06T07:33:07 < emeb_mac> needs like 10x 3.5" floppies - :P 2015-01-06T07:33:25 < emeb_mac> phase measurements? 2015-01-06T07:33:34 < emeb_mac> ah 2015-01-06T07:34:01 < emeb_mac> this one has such coarse close-in resolution I don't take those seriously 2015-01-06T07:34:07 < emeb_mac> it's min RBW is 1kHz 2015-01-06T07:35:10 < upgrdman> phase noise would be if the clock is constant in the long term, but frequency varies a bit in the short term? 2015-01-06T07:35:35 < emeb_mac> edge jitter on a square wave 2015-01-06T07:35:50 < emeb_mac> or slight non-sine shapes on a sinewave 2015-01-06T07:36:20 < emeb_mac> R2COM: does it have an automated phs noise test? 2015-01-06T07:36:28 < emeb_mac> some good HP analyzers do 2015-01-06T07:37:30 < emeb_mac> mine doesn't - that's a pretty hefty upgrade. 2015-01-06T07:37:46 < emeb_mac> needs better internal references and extra software 2015-01-06T07:38:10 < emeb_mac> sure, you can fake it but the results are... suspect 2015-01-06T07:38:40 < emeb_mac> you end up measuring the quality of the analyzer itself 2015-01-06T07:41:02 < upgrdman> looks like it measures the external signal's PN. 2015-01-06T07:41:19 < emeb_mac> OT: http://imgur.com/FWfh0wN 2015-01-06T07:41:24 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T07:41:47 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, need a slide whistle butt plug 2015-01-06T07:43:38 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-06T07:43:39 < emeb_mac> rigol ds taking furever to load... 2015-01-06T07:45:35 < upgrdman> even my 60Mbps net connection is rarely taxed my most servers. :( reminds me of the early days of DSL where most servers wouldn't send more than 10-15KBps to you 2015-01-06T07:49:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-101-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T07:52:56 < emeb_mac> yup 2015-01-06T07:52:59 < PeterM_Mobile> Jpa-'s logs are hard to read whenever R2COM is in the conversation. 2015-01-06T07:55:55 < upgrdman> anyone here knowledgable about home electrical wiring / problems? 2015-01-06T07:56:05 < PeterM_Mobile> At first I just thought you were al stoned, blogging, talkin to yourselves 2015-01-06T07:57:17 < upgrdman> have a weird problem when the power will "flicker" or even go off for short periods of time. not on every circuit, but on about half of the circuits. funny thing is that if i turn on my oven, which is on it's very own circuit, the problem goes away temporarily! wtf. 2015-01-06T07:57:26 < PeterM_Mobile> upgrdman you can use http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/vilkus/ to check if they're live 2015-01-06T07:57:45 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T07:57:53 < upgrdman> nice 2015-01-06T07:57:58 < ds2> Neutral 2015-01-06T07:58:13 < ds2> make sure they are properly sized and present seperate from safety ground. 2015-01-06T07:58:40 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-06T07:58:55 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-06T07:58:58 < ds2> where are you geographically? 2015-01-06T07:59:05 < upgrdman> so cal, usa 2015-01-06T07:59:41 < ds2> your power comes into your house as 2 hot 110V lines, 180deg out of phase 2015-01-06T07:59:55 < ds2> most stoves use both of them to draw 220V 2015-01-06T08:00:04 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: we had a problem at our place where one leg of the 2-phase was bad 2015-01-06T08:00:19 < ds2> to use 110V, you have a neutral (bonded to ground at the entrance), it carries the imbalance between the 2 legs 2015-01-06T08:00:21 < emeb_mac> so half the ckts in the house would brown out but the others were OK 2015-01-06T08:01:01 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-06T08:01:16 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, in that case, was it the elec companies problem, or did you have to pay out of pocket? 2015-01-06T08:01:42 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: it was the power company's issue 2015-01-06T08:01:58 < emeb_mac> they fixed it late at night, no charge. 2015-01-06T08:02:00 < ds2> emeb_mac: doesn't working stove preclude your case? 2015-01-06T08:02:27 < emeb_mac> ds2: depends on if the stove has the ctr tap 2015-01-06T08:02:54 < ds2> emeb_mac: hmm? thought all stoves were 220V? 2015-01-06T08:03:01 < upgrdman> i will look into more detail, but my stove have it's now 50A breaker 2015-01-06T08:03:07 < upgrdman> not sure how it's wired. 2015-01-06T08:03:13 < emeb_mac> beats me - I don't know about that high power stuff. :) 2015-01-06T08:03:14 < upgrdman> s/now/own 2015-01-06T08:04:08 < emeb_mac> R2COM: none 2015-01-06T08:04:21 < emeb_mac> I've got an ancient HP sweeper for RF signal gen 2015-01-06T08:04:24 < ds2> spark gap :D 2015-01-06T08:04:35 < emeb_mac> +1 2015-01-06T08:05:16 < emeb_mac> plus custom FPGA + DAC for complex stuff 2015-01-06T08:08:58 < emeb_mac> don't have the number on the top of my head. something from Maxim - dual, 14 bit, 500MSPS 2015-01-06T08:08:59 < ds2> R2R ladder 2015-01-06T08:10:06 < ds2> a "DAC" 2015-01-06T08:14:42 < upgrdman> do people often use a buffer after an R2R? 2015-01-06T08:14:55 < emeb_mac> probably a good idea 2015-01-06T08:15:26 < upgrdman> would an op amp do, or should a purpose built buffer really be used? 2015-01-06T08:15:47 < emeb_mac> op amp should be fine, depending on frequency 2015-01-06T08:16:55 < upgrdman> tempted to make a shitty function generator with my mach xo2 now 2015-01-06T08:17:09 < upgrdman> got their cheap breakout board. it's begging to be fucked with 2015-01-06T08:18:37 < GargantuaSauce> upgrdman: do eet! 2015-01-06T08:19:18 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, ok :) you convinced me. will waste time at work planning it out. 2015-01-06T08:19:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, sure, but they cost money too, no? SMD resistors are ~free 2015-01-06T08:20:10 < upgrdman> you a PTF fag? 2015-01-06T08:20:13 < upgrdman> PTH* 2015-01-06T08:20:42 < upgrdman> SMD resistors are like <$0.01 each 2015-01-06T08:20:46 < upgrdman> so ~free 2015-01-06T08:21:13 < GargantuaSauce> bonus points if you solder them all into a rigid structure with no board 2015-01-06T08:21:23 < upgrdman> deadbug FTW 2015-01-06T08:21:26 < GargantuaSauce> a literal resistor ladder 2015-01-06T08:21:42 < upgrdman> manhattan style would be pretty too 2015-01-06T08:22:49 < upgrdman> ya 2015-01-06T08:23:04 < upgrdman> but i have xo2 board and shit tons of SMD resistors. 2015-01-06T08:23:36 < upgrdman> most of what i do is :) .... :( 2015-01-06T08:24:31 < upgrdman> i had an 1102 which i sold 2015-01-06T08:24:38 < upgrdman> i have a 4014 2015-01-06T08:24:44 < upgrdman> and a anal disco 2015-01-06T08:25:33 < upgrdman> oh, and i have a super old Tek scope that i have never used. CRT era 2015-01-06T08:28:55 < ds2> use an emitter follower 2015-01-06T08:29:07 < ds2> I'd think that has a wonder freq range then an op-amp 2015-01-06T08:33:23 < ds2> everyone should know what an emitter follower is... 2015-01-06T08:34:08 < GargantuaSauce> they didnt teach that when i got my IRC-EE 2015-01-06T08:34:59 < ds2> I'll defer to the analog folks to lecture 2015-01-06T08:35:08 < GargantuaSauce> it's all in the damn name 2015-01-06T08:36:30 < emeb_mac> wikipedia is your friend 2015-01-06T08:37:22 < emeb_mac> but an op-amp in a unity-gain buffer configuration works too 2015-01-06T08:38:46 < GargantuaSauce> the phrase 'unity gain temple' is in my head and i dunno where it came from 2015-01-06T08:39:00 < GargantuaSauce> oh music for programming 2015-01-06T08:40:18 < emeb_mac> unity temple - isn't that a famous FLW building? 2015-01-06T08:40:59 < emeb_mac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Temple 2015-01-06T08:41:45 < GargantuaSauce> cool 2015-01-06T08:44:17 -!- talsit 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well, device physics do impose certain limitations 2015-01-06T08:53:58 < ds2> those 2 specs hide too many things 2015-01-06T08:54:18 < ds2> discrete parts forces a more consciencious design 2015-01-06T08:55:10 < emeb_mac> in what way? 2015-01-06T08:55:40 < ds2> all you get is the worse case "guarnateed" numbers in a lump of silicon with op-amps 2015-01-06T08:55:58 < ds2> with discrete transistors, you are forced to understand the limitations and where they come from 2015-01-06T08:56:21 < ds2> for digital it is fine...for analog, the pile of numbers is just irritating 2015-01-06T08:56:37 < emeb_mac> so rather than spend 15min picking a suitable op-amp, you'd prefer to spend a week designing a discrete amp? 2015-01-06T08:56:52 < emeb_mac> ;) 2015-01-06T08:56:54 < ds2> for anything above like 100KHz, yes 2015-01-06T08:57:09 < ds2> well, maybe above 1MHz 2015-01-06T08:57:37 < emeb_mac> well, above 1MHz there are a lot fewer suitable op amps 2015-01-06T08:57:53 < ds2> yes 2015-01-06T08:57:53 < emeb_mac> but up there you're better off looking at RF specific stuff 2015-01-06T08:58:04 < ds2> find one and then get your behind chewed off cuz of one of those specs 2015-01-06T08:58:34 < ds2> so I much rather spend time getting it right then 15mins picking one and having to do 10 spins 2015-01-06T08:58:36 < ds2> :D 2015-01-06T09:01:44 < emeb_mac> the best RF designer I know uses a lot of integrated amps in his signal paths. 2015-01-06T09:02:09 < emeb_mac> mostly ADI stuff, some maxim, skyworks, etc. 2015-01-06T09:02:29 < emeb_mac> he generally only goes discrete when he needs high power. 2015-01-06T09:03:31 < ds2> *nod* 2015-01-06T09:03:40 < ds2> I am far from that category :D 2015-01-06T09:04:29 < emeb_mac> my concern with discrete amps is that there are a lot of subtle effects there too 2015-01-06T09:04:47 < emeb_mac> things that can bite you just as badly as misunderstanding op-amp specs 2015-01-06T09:11:35 < GargantuaSauce> lots more degrees of freedom to mess up too 2015-01-06T09:12:06 < emeb_mac> exactly 2015-01-06T09:13:54 < emeb_mac> there's actually a fairly substantial market for discrete op amps in the audio production biz 2015-01-06T09:14:19 < emeb_mac> a fair number of folks there use these large potted op-amp modules made from discretes 2015-01-06T09:14:33 < emeb_mac> think it sounds better than the monolithic stuff 2015-01-06T09:14:54 < GargantuaSauce> gotta widen that soundstage 2015-01-06T09:15:05 < emeb_mac> I think it's mostly audiophool superstition, but that's just my opinion... 2015-01-06T09:17:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-06T09:30:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T09:37:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-06T09:44:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-101-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-06T09:46:12 -!- Vutral 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2015-01-06T11:02:43 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:28c8:b1d0:4f5c:7bee] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T11:12:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T11:28:09 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-06T11:39:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-83-227-153-146.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T11:55:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.4.104] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T13:03:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-06T13:12:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T13:12:59 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2015-01-06T13:15:01 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-06T13:16:23 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T13:17:00 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html 4 minutes 2015-01-06T13:19:53 < PeterM_Mobile> 2 mins on youtube 2015-01-06T13:20:02 < GargantuaSauce> fuck 2015-01-06T13:20:04 < GargantuaSauce> held 2015-01-06T13:20:13 < PeterM_Mobile> At 1:20 there was hold 2015-01-06T13:22:34 < PeterM_Mobile> Damn 2015-01-06T13:22:47 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-06T13:32:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-06T13:33:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T13:49:57 < dongs> wassup innovators 2015-01-06T13:50:15 < dongs> wat did i miss 2015-01-06T13:50:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-06T13:51:01 < GargantuaSauce> some sweet actuator drift 2015-01-06T13:51:28 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-06T13:51:46 < Laurenceb> maybe it means they had a leaking hydraulic valve? 2015-01-06T13:52:20 < Laurenceb> tho with kerosene 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dumb enough 2015-01-06T16:57:25 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1351910088/3doodler-20-the-worlds-first-3d-printing-pen-reinv?ref=category 2015-01-06T16:59:47 < dongs> oh fucking wow 2015-01-06T16:59:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/ 2015-01-06T16:59:54 < dongs> 100000% scam 2015-01-06T16:59:58 < dongs> lol @ 2mil GBP 2015-01-06T17:00:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/posts/1099250 < mega lol 2015-01-06T17:00:36 < dongs> they dsont have a *single* video of it flying. 2015-01-06T17:00:49 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh8092118122.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-06T17:00:53 < dongs> also this: 55 grams in weight 2015-01-06T17:02:24 < GargantuaSauce> doesnt the "zano in action" video show it flying? 2015-01-06T17:03:22 < GargantuaSauce> the onboard video is probaby faked but meh 2015-01-06T17:04:44 -!- Amkei 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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1138585372/soft-start-for-electronics-tvs-computers-and-audio 2015-01-06T17:10:33 < dongs> haha 2015-01-06T17:12:24 < GargantuaSauce> ctrl-f certification 2015-01-06T17:12:31 < GargantuaSauce> 0 results 2015-01-06T17:13:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508887039/xtreme-cam?ref=category 2015-01-06T17:14:11 < dongs> someone trying to sell shittycams from aliexpress 2015-01-06T17:15:16 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/809337346/an-elien-concept-the-next-big-thing-in-technology?ref=category 2015-01-06T17:15:18 < PeterM_Mobile> Not even a good one. 2015-01-06T17:15:19 < dongs> free energy 2015-01-06T17:15:38 < Laurenceb> jnaudin.free.fr/ 2015-01-06T17:36:38 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T17:39:52 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-06T17:40:03 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 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Any experiences? 2015-01-06T19:55:24 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-06T20:23:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-06T20:38:08 < Steffanx> does that come with a display Tectu? 2015-01-06T20:46:45 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T20:55:24 < karlp> anyone know what m0/m0+ parts have this shitty multiply? https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2014-10/msg02027.html 2015-01-06T20:57:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T20:59:31 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-06T21:00:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-06T21:01:56 < englishman> 32 cycle MULS O.o 2015-01-06T21:05:57 < karlp> seems it's a silicon option in m0/m0+ from arm, if you want absolutely minimum area... 2015-01-06T21:06:12 < karlp> "We have problems when trying to switch from GCC 4.8.3 to GCC 4.9.0 (arm-eabi thumb1 for arm966e-s core) due to significant code size increase (1-2%). 2015-01-06T21:06:14 < englishman> its not in F0 so probably not used by ST at all 2015-01-06T21:06:15 < karlp> " 2015-01-06T21:06:40 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I just don't think I can even think of an m0 that I've seen with the slow multiplier 2015-01-06T21:06:50 < karlp> I bet it must be in combined/soc style usages. 2015-01-06T21:06:59 < englishman> or *very* low cost shit 2015-01-06T21:07:32 < karlp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0432c/BABBFCGC.html 2015-01-06T21:07:52 < karlp> it abandons the multiply if yuo get an intterupt :) 2015-01-06T21:08:39 < gxti> lol... 2015-01-06T21:09:18 < gxti> of course the compiler won't bother checking if that happened 2015-01-06T21:09:30 < gxti> so you just get crap results i guess? 2015-01-06T21:10:14 < karlp> well, it may just restart it, not really sure 2015-01-06T21:10:23 < karlp> but could be an instruction that never completes then :) 2015-01-06T21:12:06 < gxti> the difference between that and having so many interrupts that it never returns to the main thread at all, is not so great 2015-01-06T21:12:14 < gxti> about 31 instructions difference, in fact. 2015-01-06T21:13:43 < qyx_> significant code size increase 1-2%? 2015-01-06T21:13:46 < qyx_> hum 2015-01-06T21:15:42 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-06T21:16:17 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T21:23:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-06T21:34:28 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T21:35:03 < karlp> qyx_: that's what I thought :) 2015-01-06T21:35:15 < chickensk> hi! I'm trying to flash external stm32f0 using stm32f429 devboard using openocd and have this error: 2015-01-06T21:35:22 < chickensk> http://pastie.org/9816734 2015-01-06T21:37:52 < chickensk> anyone pls? this is getting frustrating 2015-01-06T21:41:09 < PaulFertser> chickensk: means swd or ground not connected 2015-01-06T21:41:19 < PaulFertser> chickensk: or you still have devboard's target connected 2015-01-06T21:42:17 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-06T21:42:33 < chickensk> PaulFertser, devboard's target means the chip on the devboard? 2015-01-06T21:42:43 < PaulFertser> chickensk: yes 2015-01-06T21:43:01 < chickensk> and that is disconnected by removing the two jumpers.. ? 2015-01-06T21:43:12 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-06T21:43:28 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T21:43:37 < PaulFertser> chickensk: yes 2015-01-06T21:43:48 < chickensk> urgh, now i dont even seem to be able to flash the onboard chip 2015-01-06T21:43:58 < chickensk> same error though 2015-01-06T21:44:21 < PaulFertser> The error means the communication with target can't be established. 2015-01-06T21:44:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-06T21:45:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-76-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T21:45:50 < chickensk> when i plug in the dev board via usb, both diodes are on red 2015-01-06T21:45:57 < chickensk> is this expected behaviour? 2015-01-06T21:47:31 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T21:47:46 < PaulFertser> chickensk: I guess so, yes. 2015-01-06T21:49:03 < chickensk> PaulFertser, this is me trying to flash the internal chip 2015-01-06T21:49:03 < chickensk> http://pastie.org/9816779 2015-01-06T21:49:20 < chickensk> same command (except for the elf file), same error 2015-01-06T21:49:33 < chickensk> the setup is deboard->usb port on computer 2015-01-06T21:50:27 < PaulFertser> chickensk: any other mods to the board? 2015-01-06T21:50:35 < chickensk> nope 2015-01-06T21:50:53 < chickensk> just the board, with both the jumpers on 2015-01-06T21:51:26 < chickensk> hold on 2015-01-06T21:51:35 < chickensk> the third jumper was not on 2015-01-06T21:51:55 < chickensk> ok now i have flashed the internal board 2015-01-06T21:52:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T21:53:09 < chickensk> i will now connect the swd back 2015-01-06T21:56:22 < chickensk> ok so now all the *three* jumpers are removed now 2015-01-06T21:57:00 < chickensk> swd connected 2015-01-06T21:57:35 < chickensk> the error looks similar, PaulFertser http://pastie.org/9816806 2015-01-06T22:00:16 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T22:01:01 -!- decimad [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:9972:1d6e:a57f:78a4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-06T22:02:53 < PaulFertser> chickensk: isn't the error exactly same? 2015-01-06T22:03:04 < PaulFertser> chickensk: do you know if the target worked ever? 2015-01-06T22:03:18 < PaulFertser> That f0 chip. 2015-01-06T22:08:10 < chickensk> i dont 2015-01-06T22:08:26 < chickensk> ist just a chip - we bought it, installed on a board 2015-01-06T22:10:02 < chickensk> PaulFertser, 2015-01-06T22:10:16 < KreAture_> Hmm, the i2c hw in stm32 works completely different from what I am used to 2015-01-06T22:10:37 < chickensk> PaulFertser, i'm going to remeasure everything on that board where f0 is 2015-01-06T22:10:41 < chickensk> (again) 2015-01-06T22:10:46 < KreAture_> it's like it knows what st did not write clearly in the docs and makes sure it is something completely different than one would assume 2015-01-06T22:20:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:2d36:0:9cf0:8e67:43af:d2d7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T22:22:22 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-06T22:24:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-76-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-06T22:24:15 * KreAture_ sits down with the reference manual 2015-01-06T22:26:46 < AndreeeCZ> PaulFertser, the connections from swd to the chip are good :-/ 2015-01-06T22:27:07 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T22:32:08 < AndreeeCZ> PaulFertser, any more suggestions? 2015-01-06T22:41:03 < chickensk> PaulFertser, i just have checked vcc, gnd, reset, sdclk and swdio pins, everything is ok, going thru the board to the chip 2015-01-06T22:41:16 < chickensk> PaulFertser, it has not worked so far 2015-01-06T22:41:39 < chickensk> voltage is 3.2V and the chip drains 2.9mA standby 2015-01-06T22:54:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-12-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T23:06:53 * KreAture_ realizes why the data was wrong: wrong manual! 2015-01-06T23:08:14 < Steffanx> lol 2015-01-06T23:08:34 < emeb> seen this? http://thegaragelab.com/introducing-the-tgl-6502-single-board-computer/ 2015-01-06T23:08:51 < emeb> there's a Cortex-M0 in an 8-pin DIP - who knew? 2015-01-06T23:10:08 < Laurenceb_> hackaday... 2015-01-06T23:10:10 < PaulFertser> AndreeeCZ: probably not all Vccs are connected. VDDA is needed too. 2015-01-06T23:10:17 < Laurenceb_> they rant about it once a week or so 2015-01-06T23:11:01 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-06T23:12:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-12-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-06T23:12:59 < chickensk> PaulFertser, thank you, i am going to measure again.. 2015-01-06T23:14:05 < emeb> evidently I don't follow hackaday closely enough 2015-01-06T23:16:17 < chickensk> PaulFertser, i found 2 cold joints, duh... going to repair that 2015-01-06T23:16:42 < chickensk> PaulFertser, good idea btw, as i have normal mA drain, i thought everything was fine 2015-01-06T23:17:14 < PaulFertser> chickensk: heh. One guy at work didn't think "analog" power supply is needed at all if ADC is not used, so left it NC :) 2015-01-06T23:17:50 < gxti> i don't bother giving it its own decoupling capacitor but it stays connected obviously :p 2015-01-06T23:18:09 < chickensk> PaulFertser, this was not the case, I always connect everything, but i had big trouble soldering tqfp64 by hand :] 2015-01-06T23:22:38 < chickensk> PaulFertser, so everything is connected just fine 2015-01-06T23:26:58 < chickensk> PaulFertser, is is the same :/ Error: hl_interface_init_target: target not found: idcode: 0x0bb11477 2015-01-06T23:27:26 < chickensk> PaulFertser, i measured not the pads, but the actual legs of the package, so it is verified that connected everywhere 2015-01-06T23:27:36 < chickensk> PaulFertser, all vccs and vsss 2015-01-06T23:28:34 < PaulFertser> chickensk: different error then? 2015-01-06T23:30:11 < chickensk> PaulFertser, yes, before it was init mode failed 2015-01-06T23:30:29 < PaulFertser> chickensk: please show me the output, probably -d3 output too. 2015-01-06T23:30:34 < chickensk> PaulFertser, biw us target biw found 2015-01-06T23:32:01 < chickensk> PaulFertser, http://pastie.org/private/ayjxvpusmcoxukn4qsfcq 2015-01-06T23:32:44 < PaulFertser> chickensk: please do not run openocd as root, use the udev rules from contrib instead, just copy the whole file to your /etc/udev.d/rules or wherever appropriate. 2015-01-06T23:32:54 < PaulFertser> chickensk: stm32f4x 2015-01-06T23:33:01 < PaulFertser> chickensk: of course it's not if you have f0 connected. 2015-01-06T23:33:06 < PaulFertser> 0x0bb11477 is for f0. 2015-01-06T23:33:17 < chickensk> PaulFertser, oh man, this is that i tried again the internal mcu 2015-01-06T23:36:09 < chickensk> PaulFertser, got it, thank you very much! http://pastie.org/9816980 2015-01-06T23:41:03 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, what happens when VDDA is unconnected? 2015-01-06T23:41:25 < qyx_> it donest work 2015-01-06T23:42:06 < upgrdman> the whole chip? 2015-01-06T23:42:16 < qyx_> even swd for me 2015-01-06T23:42:25 < upgrdman> o lol 2015-01-06T23:43:12 < PaulFertser> Yep 2015-01-06T23:43:29 < PaulFertser> Because internal RC generator doesn't run. 2015-01-06T23:44:33 < PaulFertser> chickensk: welcome :) 2015-01-06T23:47:12 -!- Elek101 [~textual@223.149-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T23:48:43 -!- Elek101 [~textual@223.149-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-06T23:52:18 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-145-213.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-06T23:54:27 < PaulFertser> chickensk: do you think if http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2365/1 was merged by now, it would save you some time? 2015-01-06T23:54:48 < PaulFertser> Or should it be even more clear? 2015-01-06T23:57:59 < chickensk> PaulFertser, sorry but i do not understand what that is 2015-01-06T23:58:37 < qyx_> meh gerrit 2015-01-06T23:58:42 < qyx_> where should i click to see diff? 2015-01-06T23:59:31 < qyx_> http://openocd.zylin.com/gitweb?p=openocd.git;a=commitdiff;h=764b0d5a1765eab60b3bda032aea1cd29caa4e28 2015-01-06T23:59:34 < qyx_> i see --- Day changed Wed Jan 07 2015 2015-01-07T00:00:04 < chickensk> PaulFertser, aha, i understand, init mode failed to be cleared up. yes this would be more helpful 2015-01-07T00:00:54 < chickensk> PaulFertser, i do not know, but maybe it is possible to tell which wire is bad? i am starting the same problem again.... i also switched all cables now 2015-01-07T00:03:47 < PaulFertser> chickensk: alas, no, it's not possible which wire is bad. But I'll try to make the error message regarding mismatched id clearer. 2015-01-07T00:06:07 < chickensk> PaulFertser, ok :] where to start, it the problem is back ? 2015-01-07T00:08:11 < chickensk> PaulFertser, one of my errors read something about reset problem 2015-01-07T00:10:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6dfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-07T00:22:14 < AndreeeCZ> i remember someone suggesting running openocd and connecting gdb to it and then doing some other things, PaulFertser, chickensk 2015-01-07T00:32:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-07T00:41:08 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-07T00:48:02 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-07T00:50:15 < qyx_> chibios/os/hal/include/spi.h:304:8: note: expected 'const struct SPIConfig *' but argument is of type 'const struct SPIConfig *' 2015-01-07T00:50:18 < qyx_> what the hell again 2015-01-07T00:53:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.4.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-07T00:54:09 < qyx_> whats wrong with that 2015-01-07T00:54:33 < qyx_> but investigating the issue it seems that the error should be expected 'const SPIConfig *' but argument is of type 'const struct SPIConfig *' 2015-01-07T00:55:49 < qyx_> so actually the gcc error message is wrong 2015-01-07T01:04:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-07T01:11:58 -!- kakeman [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:16:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.97.196] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:16:15 < zyp> emeb, ah, that's interesting 2015-01-07T01:16:23 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-07T01:18:38 < englishman> wtf, *all* of my debuggers have stopped working now 2015-01-07T01:19:03 -!- CrazySlippers 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stupid. 2015-01-07T01:25:39 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:25:40 < emeb> or it's smart enough that it differentiates between code & data 2015-01-07T01:26:51 < zyp> oh 2015-01-07T01:27:05 < zyp> well, I guess it's .rodata 2015-01-07T01:27:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-07T01:27:29 < zyp> which gets thrown in flash along with code, to not consume ram 2015-01-07T01:27:41 < emeb> lesson learned: if th elink doesn't complete don't trust the results. :P 2015-01-07T01:28:10 -!- Claude [sbnc@h1682708.stratoserver.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:28:22 < emeb> at any rate, gcc isn't actually a pig compared to keil 2015-01-07T01:30:54 * KreAture_ finally has the i2c slave working right :) 2015-01-07T01:30:59 < KreAture_> hey zyp 2015-01-07T01:31:33 < KreAture_> zyp I got my logic analyser to grab the init and update the neato vac does of it's lcd 2015-01-07T01:31:43 < KreAture_> now I gotta figure out which controller it has so I can emulate t 2015-01-07T01:31:44 < KreAture_> it 2015-01-07T01:33:06 -!- pulsar_ [076100cbb2@memoryleaks.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:33:55 -!- pulsar [7d4ea71cf9@memoryleaks.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-07T01:33:56 -!- Claude [sbnc@h1682708.stratoserver.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-07T01:34:29 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wftirntdrzjtcflu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-07T01:37:10 -!- Claude [sbnc@h1682708.stratoserver.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:50:18 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-07T01:50:34 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:51:42 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T01:58:17 < emeb> ds2: seen this article? http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up 2015-01-07T01:58:36 < emeb> It's long but it has some very cool details on why discrete amps are good for audio. 2015-01-07T01:59:51 < kakeman> I need to impement half bridge driving with voltage as low as 3.5volts 2015-01-07T01:59:57 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:00:31 < kakeman> and very low shutdown current 2015-01-07T02:00:51 < kakeman> do you know any chip for such application? 2015-01-07T02:05:05 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:07:19 < upgrdman> kakeman: two nmos, two feet drivers, a handful of passives? 2015-01-07T02:07:36 < upgrdman> s/feet/fet 2015-01-07T02:08:14 < kakeman> gate drivers? 2015-01-07T02:08:19 < upgrdman> yes 2015-01-07T02:08:39 < kakeman> those go lower than half bridge drivers usually? 2015-01-07T02:08:50 < upgrdman> in fact, you only need one gate driver since many are available for dual nmos half-bridge work 2015-01-07T02:09:07 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-07T02:09:19 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-07T02:09:39 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-07T02:10:03 < kakeman> otherwise I would drive fets directly with mcu 2015-01-07T02:10:17 < kakeman> but mcu stays in 3v3 2015-01-07T02:10:25 < upgrdman> http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=IRS2301STRPBFvirtualkey57370000virtualkey942-IRS2301STRPBF 2015-01-07T02:11:03 < upgrdman> if you don't care about Rds-on, you could probably just drive the some logic-level fets directly with the mcu 2015-01-07T02:11:45 < kakeman> I care 2015-01-07T02:14:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-07T02:14:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:14:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-07T02:14:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:17:50 < qyx_> kakeman: which freq? 2015-01-07T02:18:37 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zshjrmdwdhmysqln] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:18:39 < qyx_> if it is for low freq switching application, you can safely drive it from gpio pin 2015-01-07T02:18:51 < qyx_> but depends on the fet 2015-01-07T02:19:10 < qyx_> and gate charge 2015-01-07T02:20:15 < qyx_> i drive n-mosfet at 300kHz directly from the mcu.. although switching losses would be probably high with higher currents 2015-01-07T02:21:40 < qyx_> also at such low voltage you can use n-p mosfet pair and abuse dual low side mosfet driver for both 2015-01-07T02:21:48 < qyx_> if vbus is lower than Vgs 2015-01-07T02:22:02 < kakeman> can you do that? 2015-01-07T02:22:19 < qyx_> i did that for 12V 3phase motor drive 2015-01-07T02:22:31 < kakeman> yes I need fast pulses 2015-01-07T02:22:32 < dongs> sup pros 2015-01-07T02:22:51 < emeb> ethernetting 2015-01-07T02:22:56 < dongs> cool 2015-01-07T02:23:00 < kakeman> but wait 2015-01-07T02:23:03 < dongs> i loadeed solar panels into my car 2015-01-07T02:23:06 < emeb> comparing gcc vs keil with working code 2015-01-07T02:23:11 < dongs> gonna see if I can just negro them outside the windows 2015-01-07T02:23:13 < dongs> without too much work 2015-01-07T02:23:18 < emeb> solardongs 2015-01-07T02:24:33 < kakeman> qyx_: I'm going to use np pair to drive actual power fet gate up and down fast 2015-01-07T02:24:42 < qyx_> why 2015-01-07T02:24:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1741398197/simb2b 2015-01-07T02:25:02 < qyx_> don't do your own totempole, you will fry yourself 2015-01-07T02:25:11 < qyx_> just grab some fet driver 2015-01-07T02:25:18 < kakeman> :) 2015-01-07T02:25:22 < kakeman> damn 2015-01-07T02:25:29 < dongs> i got some chinese grid tie-in inverter thingy 2015-01-07T02:25:29 < kakeman> It gets even easyer 2015-01-07T02:25:35 < kakeman> *easier 2015-01-07T02:25:56 < qyx_> and you still haven't specified what are you going to switch 2015-01-07T02:26:40 < kakeman> flyback stuff with rigid lipo cell 2015-01-07T02:26:51 < kakeman> low side nfet 2015-01-07T02:26:55 < qyx_> dongs: are you gonna use grid-tie inverter in your car without the grid? 2015-01-07T02:27:22 < qyx_> what current and freq for that flyback thing? 2015-01-07T02:28:05 < kakeman> a sec.. 2015-01-07T02:28:06 < dongs> qyx, i mean, i loaded panels in the car to takae to office to hang outside 2015-01-07T02:28:23 < qyx_> aha. 2015-01-07T02:28:36 < qyx_> cos grid-tie inverters don't work without a grid 2015-01-07T02:30:47 < dongs> yep 2015-01-07T02:30:55 < dongs> needs power for some shitty amega644 thats in tehre 2015-01-07T02:31:15 < qyx_> no, it is a requirement 2015-01-07T02:31:18 < kakeman> qyx_: gate should rise and fall in 35ns 2015-01-07T02:31:42 < dongs> ur an early riser 2015-01-07T02:31:54 < qyx_> kakeman: still not enough data 2015-01-07T02:32:00 < kakeman> time: 2:31am 2015-01-07T02:32:10 < kakeman> yours? 2015-01-07T02:32:28 < qyx_> switching 20A at 100V needs totally different driving than like 200mA at 5V 2015-01-07T02:33:03 < kakeman> I'm trying to figure peak current 2015-01-07T02:33:08 < qyx_> but if you are saying lipo, i assume abut 12V 2015-01-07T02:33:27 < qyx_> and if you are sane, you are not doing >100W flyback 2015-01-07T02:34:04 < qyx_> also flyback is not driven with halfbridge 2015-01-07T02:34:19 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251200096.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:34:23 < qyx_> you are probably mixing multiple things 2015-01-07T02:35:00 < kakeman> nope 2015-01-07T02:35:12 < kakeman> but fet that does flyback can be 2015-01-07T02:35:24 < kakeman> and one cell 2015-01-07T02:35:29 < qyx_> can be what 2015-01-07T02:36:15 < kakeman> gate of actuall flyback fet can be but it doesn't have any sense because low side gate driver does the job 2015-01-07T02:37:02 < qyx_> ah, you are referring to 01:33 < qyx_> but if you are saying lipo, i assume abut 12V 2015-01-07T02:37:28 < kakeman> lipo cell as one cell 2015-01-07T02:37:54 < kakeman> this thing is to be step up from one cell to stack 2015-01-07T02:38:11 < qyx_> stack of what 2015-01-07T02:38:16 < kakeman> cells 2015-01-07T02:38:20 < qyx_> how many 2015-01-07T02:38:31 < kakeman> varying amount with limits 2015-01-07T02:38:43 < kakeman> optimal amount! 2015-01-07T02:39:04 < kakeman> you can stack stacks after all 2015-01-07T02:39:39 < qyx_> i better don't ask what is it for 2015-01-07T02:39:57 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251215007.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:40:19 < kakeman> you better not 2015-01-07T02:40:53 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251215007.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-07T02:41:04 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251200096.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-07T02:43:48 < kakeman> but both fet and trasformer can take 10A average 2015-01-07T02:44:12 < ds2> but fet's die on maximum and minium values... 2015-01-07T02:44:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-07T02:46:16 < qyx_> so select suitable fet and according to its driving requirements select driver 2015-01-07T02:47:11 < qyx_> if you manage to find a fet with total gate charge of about 5-10nC at 10A @ Vgs = 3V 2015-01-07T02:47:24 < qyx_> you can probably drive it directly at about 100kHz 2015-01-07T02:47:34 < ds2> isn't Rgs rather critical at 10A? 2015-01-07T02:47:41 < qyx_> but i assume you won't find such mosfet 2015-01-07T02:47:58 < qyx_> it depends on how fast you want to charge your gate 2015-01-07T02:48:11 < kakeman> what A hell I'm doing 2015-01-07T02:48:22 < kakeman> If I drive fet directly 2015-01-07T02:48:32 < kakeman> 3v3 is a ok 2015-01-07T02:48:50 < qyx_> yes, depends on fet, you have to search datasheets 2015-01-07T02:49:16 < qyx_> there are graphs like 2015-01-07T02:49:20 < qyx_> ____/ 2015-01-07T02:49:22 < qyx_> / 2015-01-07T02:49:25 < kakeman> :D 2015-01-07T02:49:30 < kakeman> I found some 2015-01-07T02:50:05 < qyx_> where you get your Rdson based on Vgs 2015-01-07T02:50:15 < qyx_> also find equations to calculate switching losses 2015-01-07T02:50:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-07T02:51:00 < qyx_> they use gate garge values which depends again on your Vgs 2015-01-07T02:51:25 < kakeman> for some reason you have your fet types marked in schematics 2015-01-07T02:51:43 < qyx_> and you will see if you are going to get sane values for losses based on your gate drive strengs 2015-01-07T02:51:52 < kakeman> If your archive has 30fets and you think you can spot it 2015-01-07T02:52:04 < qyx_> who you 2015-01-07T02:54:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:56:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T02:56:36 -!- upgrdman 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2015-01-07T03:06:00 < qyx_> so again, yo have wrong one 2015-01-07T03:06:22 < qyx_> there are fets forking even at 2.5V 2015-01-07T03:06:34 < kakeman> with 100A peak? 2015-01-07T03:06:54 < qyx_> are you going to do 100Apk @ 4V? 2015-01-07T03:06:59 < kakeman> 10A constant 2015-01-07T03:07:05 < qyx_> into flyback transformer? 2015-01-07T03:07:12 < qyx_> andyou are expecting it to work? 2015-01-07T03:07:18 < kakeman> :D 2015-01-07T03:07:47 < kakeman> I just use peak current as figure of performance of fet generally 2015-01-07T03:08:26 < kakeman> alongside with average current 2015-01-07T03:08:29 < qyx_> i think that saturation current must be higher than peak current + some margin 2015-01-07T03:09:04 < kakeman> there is no possibility that fet would pull 100A thru that transformer 2015-01-07T03:10:22 < kakeman> wires pop out of pcb and transformer 2015-01-07T03:10:29 < kakeman> before that 2015-01-07T03:10:46 < upgrdman> pcb fuse.... nice 2015-01-07T03:10:53 < qyx_> read this for example http://www.simonbramble.co.uk/dc_dc_converter_design/flyback_converter/flyback_converter_design.htm 2015-01-07T03:11:00 < qyx_> and then show me your flyback transformer 2015-01-07T03:12:03 < kakeman> looks same but has fets symmetrivcally both sides 2015-01-07T03:12:38 < qyx_> what do you mean by both sides? 2015-01-07T03:13:24 < kakeman> it has 2 seperate sides 2015-01-07T03:13:35 < kakeman> cellside stackside 2015-01-07T03:14:00 < qyx_> call it like 99% of the world 2015-01-07T03:14:01 < kakeman> both can flyback another side 2015-01-07T03:14:03 < qyx_> primary, secondary 2015-01-07T03:14:15 < kakeman> :) 2015-01-07T03:14:57 < qyx_> lipo balancing? 2015-01-07T03:15:13 < dongs> is kakeman = t hat guy w ho was making a SMPS 2015-01-07T03:15:16 < dongs> wahtever the fuck he was 2015-01-07T03:15:37 < qyx_> i don't know but either he is abstracting too much for this conversation to be useful 2015-01-07T03:15:44 < qyx_> or he doesn't know what he is doing 2015-01-07T03:15:47 < qyx_> either way, back to work 2015-01-07T03:17:27 < kakeman> both 2015-01-07T03:17:59 < kakeman> dongs: not me. can you tell who it making SMPS? 2015-01-07T03:18:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2103051925/empathic-yoruba-keyboard-for-ios-8 2015-01-07T03:18:43 < upgrdman> lol http://www.brobible.com/life/article/eat-ass-drivers-license/ 2015-01-07T03:19:07 < dongs> > florida 2015-01-07T03:19:11 < dongs> found the problem 2015-01-07T03:21:45 < upgrdman> creepy http://i.imgur.com/BSLsChz.jpg 2015-01-07T03:23:51 < dongs> aregh 2015-01-07T03:24:11 < dongs> just got some jap twitter password reset shit and reset it, but hte dickhead had zero tweets 2015-01-07T03:25:33 < kakeman> sometimes somebody uses my email to register to twitter 2015-01-07T03:26:04 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-07T03:26:20 < kakeman> then I just go to this twitter page with passwd reset 2015-01-07T03:27:03 < kakeman> and delete it 2015-01-07T03:28:09 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-07T03:28:11 < dongs> im about to do that 2015-01-07T03:28:12 < dongs> in rage 2015-01-07T03:28:23 < dongs> is there 'delete my account' shit? 2015-01-07T03:28:42 < dongs> found 2015-01-07T03:28:55 < dongs> deleted 2015-01-07T03:28:57 < dongs> thank you sir 2015-01-07T03:29:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T03:29:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T03:29:51 < kakeman> you evil 2015-01-07T03:30:04 < dongs> not at all, i fucking hate twitter 2015-01-07T03:30:11 < kakeman> me too 2015-01-07T03:31:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-07T03:32:10 < Steffanx> poor guys. 2015-01-07T03:40:26 < kakeman> rich guys. 2015-01-07T03:40:47 < kakeman> I have finally some time 2015-01-07T03:41:04 < Steffanx> you know what time it is right? :P 2015-01-07T03:41:15 < dongs> bedtime 2015-01-07T03:41:30 < kakeman> :D 2015-01-07T03:41:43 < kakeman> I listen scooter megamix 2015-01-07T03:41:54 < Steffanx> hyper hyper 2015-01-07T03:42:21 < kakeman> hypah hypah 2015-01-07T03:42:28 < kakeman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaAnI5BITdo 2015-01-07T03:42:34 < gxti> ultimate eurotrash 2015-01-07T03:42:44 < kakeman> kill your ears with that 2015-01-07T03:43:06 < gxti> no, i'd have to stop listening to this super smooth prog house 2015-01-07T03:43:12 < gxti> and that would be a damn shame 2015-01-07T03:43:12 < dongs> you're rude 2015-01-07T03:44:18 < dongs> da rude 2015-01-07T03:45:43 < Steffanx> What's next? DJ Paul Elstak? 2015-01-07T03:45:50 < kakeman> found nfet with 1.5V gate threshold, 100A constant package limitted, 400A peak, 1mohm at Vgs3v3 2015-01-07T03:45:56 < dongs> lool 2015-01-07T03:47:22 < gxti> and megafarads of gate charge? 2015-01-07T03:48:02 < kakeman> 91nC :/ 2015-01-07T03:48:21 < kakeman> found another one with 16nC 2015-01-07T03:49:04 < kakeman> and gate threshold 1V 2015-01-07T03:49:15 < kakeman> but half of current 2015-01-07T03:49:48 < qyx_> i would suggest you to do some math 2015-01-07T03:49:57 < qyx_> and stop searching for 1000A fet 2015-01-07T03:50:11 < kakeman> 10X Rds as if 1mohm vs. 10mohm does anything 2015-01-07T03:50:42 < kakeman> this one even has same package my layout already has 2015-01-07T03:50:43 < qyx_> was that question? 2015-01-07T03:50:50 < kakeman> no 2015-01-07T03:51:09 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-07T03:51:55 < kakeman> now I feel like I can leave this for today 2015-01-07T03:52:04 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-07T03:55:15 < qyx_> sir802dp for example 2015-01-07T03:55:40 < qyx_> total gate charge of 10nC @ 2.5V Vgs 2015-01-07T03:55:44 < qyx_> specified for 2.5V Vgs 2015-01-07T03:55:58 < qyx_> 0.0076ohm at 2.5V 2015-01-07T03:56:07 < qyx_> where are you searching? it was like 2 mins 2015-01-07T03:56:24 < kakeman> scooter has some chipmunk sounds 2015-01-07T03:56:28 < kakeman> farnell 2015-01-07T03:56:37 < qyx_> Vds = 20V, Id = 30A 2015-01-07T03:56:40 < kakeman> my internets is my phone 2015-01-07T03:58:26 < dongs> lol farnell 2015-01-07T03:58:58 < qyx_> also prepare for about 10W of dissipated heat at 4V@10A 2015-01-07T04:01:25 < kakeman> brutal 2015-01-07T04:02:13 < kakeman> switching or dc? 2015-01-07T04:02:21 < kakeman> on just prepare 2015-01-07T04:02:23 < kakeman> or 2015-01-07T04:02:25 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-07T04:02:32 < qyx_> all, flyback topology has usually about 80% efficiency 2015-01-07T04:03:19 < qyx_> there will be some heat dissipated on the secondary side (rectification) 2015-01-07T04:03:21 < qyx_> core losses 2015-01-07T04:03:37 < qyx_> capacitors will heat at such high ripple current 2015-01-07T04:03:37 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-07T04:03:42 < kakeman> you mean total power dissipation? 2015-01-07T04:03:52 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-07T04:04:59 < qyx_> i like this fet, i should probably save it somewhere 2015-01-07T04:05:14 < qyx_> for my next gen solar charger 2015-01-07T04:05:33 < kakeman> fet I looked at dissipates 160mW 2015-01-07T04:05:38 < kakeman> 10A 2015-01-07T04:05:39 < kakeman> dv 2015-01-07T04:05:41 < kakeman> dc 2015-01-07T04:06:03 < kakeman> 2,5vgs 2015-01-07T04:06:06 < qyx_> this one 0.76W 2015-01-07T04:06:14 < qyx_> but it will not be the major part of losses 2015-01-07T04:06:20 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-07T04:06:23 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.136.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-07T04:06:59 < kakeman> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/products/discretes/fets/mosfets/FDD3706.html 2015-01-07T04:07:27 < kakeman> kind of scares me to see it's more than decade old chip 2015-01-07T04:08:16 < kakeman> I have illusion that everything made before 2010 is low tech 2015-01-07T04:08:57 < kakeman> or 2005 let say 2015-01-07T04:09:38 < kakeman> transformer has big flat surface so I can bolt aluminium bar there 2015-01-07T04:10:43 < kakeman> it must be intentionally designed all flat 2015-01-07T04:19:15 < kakeman> I think scooter does chipmunks right 2015-01-07T04:25:16 < kakeman> all aerospace is legacy shiet 2015-01-07T04:26:34 < kakeman> some totally leathal weapon systems may have parts and software from 80's or so 2015-01-07T04:26:53 < kakeman> coded with some mental 80's language 2015-01-07T04:27:26 < kakeman> and still developed with same stuff 2015-01-07T04:28:18 < qyx_> they should be redone in .net 2015-01-07T04:29:21 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T04:30:14 < kakeman> maybe they are rewriting with java 2015-01-07T04:36:29 < kakeman> illusions motivate thru shiet 2015-01-07T04:36:47 < kakeman> until you need no illusion 2015-01-07T04:39:11 < kakeman> god Im tired but must write some startup shiet now 2015-01-07T04:40:12 < kakeman> how you know my routines? 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2015-01-07T05:38:00 < qyx_> weehee udp server in lwip is like 10 lines 2015-01-07T05:38:34 < emeb_mac> lwip rules 2015-01-07T05:38:36 < qyx_> it even works 2015-01-07T05:38:46 < emeb_mac> I need to try udp tomorrow 2015-01-07T05:38:52 < emeb_mac> got tcp going today 2015-01-07T05:38:53 < qyx_> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lwip-users/2007-06/msg00078.html 2015-01-07T05:39:08 < qyx_> copy&paste now, it works out of box 2015-01-07T05:41:00 < qyx_> now i can open my valves with < 1ms delay 2015-01-07T05:41:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-07T05:42:44 < kakeman> I have product to make 2015-01-07T05:42:59 < kakeman> lets begam enterpreunereers! 2015-01-07T05:44:14 < qyx_> *entrepreneurs 2015-01-07T05:44:30 < qyx_> damned word 2015-01-07T05:45:07 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-07T05:45:27 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T05:48:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T05:58:47 < kakeman> enertreupneu 2015-01-07T05:59:10 < kakeman> we have word "yrittäjä" 2015-01-07T06:00:11 < gxti> internet of valves 2015-01-07T06:02:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T06:07:41 < dongs> fapshack update http://i.imgur.com/crrN7tR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2gZbP5h.jpg 2015-01-07T06:07:42 < kakeman> fuuk my start up papers are in now there is nothing to do now but wait negative outcomes 2015-01-07T06:08:07 < kakeman> and sleep seriously 2015-01-07T06:15:50 < kakeman> rubber? 2015-01-07T06:15:52 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-07T06:16:09 < kakeman> nite> 2015-01-07T06:16:56 < PeterM_Mobile> Lube 2015-01-07T06:17:01 < dongs> jism 2015-01-07T06:17:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T06:17:19 < PeterM_Mobile> Why not both? 2015-01-07T06:29:07 < dongs> good plan 2015-01-07T06:32:55 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251201010.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T06:38:41 < upgrdman> nice philosophical thought: what if annoyances felt like orgasms... lol 2015-01-07T06:41:03 < PeterM_Mobile> Positive feedback. That would get annoying quick. 2015-01-07T06:49:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251201010.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-07T06:52:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, did you ever decide on what spectrum anal-geyser to buy? 2015-01-07T06:52:15 < dongs> buy my old one 2015-01-07T06:57:13 < PeterM_Mobile> What, no $25k tek 2015-01-07T06:58:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-07T06:59:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T07:02:53 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.253.60] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T07:08:12 < dongs> lunix tool 2015-01-07T07:08:41 < dongs> nuttd 2015-01-07T07:08:42 < dongs> nuttx 2015-01-07T07:08:48 < dongs> i wonder if they ported systemd to nuttx yet 2015-01-07T07:08:56 < dongs> if not, someone should do it asap 2015-01-07T07:09:35 < dongs> no nuttx is fully posix compliant OS for cortex-m 2015-01-07T07:10:09 < dongs> yes 2015-01-07T07:10:11 < dongs> its amazing 2015-01-07T07:10:32 < emeb_mac> hehe 2015-01-07T07:11:02 < dongs> attention: troll in progress 2015-01-07T07:11:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T07:30:14 < englishman> isnt lunix already handicapped 2015-01-07T07:31:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-07T07:37:44 < emeb_mac> troll-lol-lol 2015-01-07T07:40:31 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T07:47:36 -!- Elek101 [~textual@223.149-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T07:49:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6dfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T08:03:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6dfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-07T08:04:48 -!- Elek101 [~textual@223.149-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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http://i.imgur.com/2gZbP5h.jpg 2015-01-07T12:16:51 < dongs> wallpaper printer 2015-01-07T12:17:00 < dongs> pretty pro shit 2015-01-07T12:18:00 < karlp> you feed wallpaper already bought into it? and it gloops it up for you? 2015-01-07T12:18:22 < dongs> yes 2015-01-07T12:22:14 < karlp> is wallpaper "standard" in jap? 2015-01-07T12:22:24 < karlp> it's mostly paint here, wallpaper is relatively uncommon 2015-01-07T12:34:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-199-23-201.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T12:36:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.96.206] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T12:39:53 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-07T12:49:36 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T13:03:36 < jpa-> bah, everything is hating me today 2015-01-07T13:03:45 < jpa-> even had to reboot the monitor 2015-01-07T13:04:33 < jpa-> and now it is stuck in some stupid dynamic contrast mode 2015-01-07T13:04:43 < jpa-> => whole screen flickers when some part of it changes 2015-01-07T13:06:12 < PaulFertser> That's why you need free software display firmware ;) 2015-01-07T13:12:08 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah 2015-01-07T13:12:21 < jpa-> but also openocd or gdb is hating me today 2015-01-07T13:12:42 < karlp> christmas is over, januay hijinks stepping in 2015-01-07T13:12:56 < jpa-> i do "b main" and "run" in gdb, openocd shows "target state: halted" like expected, but gdb never stops 2015-01-07T13:13:44 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T13:14:17 < PaulFertser> jpa-: where does it stops when you C-c then? 2015-01-07T13:17:40 < jpa-> at main() 2015-01-07T13:18:11 < jpa-> then if i try "stepi" i get Cannot execute this command while the selected thread is running. 2015-01-07T13:18:57 < jpa-> if i do "mon halt" then openocd says "Info : The target is not running when halt was requested, stopping GDB. 2015-01-07T13:19:38 < PaulFertser> Nasty :/ 2015-01-07T13:20:09 < PaulFertser> Sounds like the target gets reset after it was halted, probably by watchdog? 2015-01-07T13:23:19 < jpa-> it seems to step etc. fine when i run it from openocd directly 2015-01-07T13:24:08 < jpa-> this is using rlink adapter, so i'm not sure if it is because of that.. but seems strange 2015-01-07T13:25:28 < PaulFertser> Oh, rlink, that's something that wasn't used/tested by anyone recently. Also, no SWD support. Not sure if it might be the reason for the behaviour you observe though. 2015-01-07T13:25:47 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.136.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-07T13:26:26 < PaulFertser> rlink seems to be quite low-level, it just passes jtag commands, so if it works at all, it should work properly, unless you get some CTRL/ABORT errors etc. 2015-01-07T13:27:08 < jpa-> i'm suspecting some gdb problem, though i'm using the launchpad gcc arm embedded 2014q4 which i expect should work 2015-01-07T13:28:13 < PaulFertser> You can see all the gdb traffic with "set debug remote 1" 2015-01-07T13:28:21 < zyp> I was about to suggest that 2015-01-07T13:29:34 < jpa-> hmm, 2014q3 works fine 2015-01-07T13:29:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-07T13:35:14 < kakeman> good afternoon innovators 2015-01-07T13:35:35 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, looks like rlink and openocd works fine, it is just that 2014q4 arm-none-eabi-gdb is somehow broken 2015-01-07T13:37:04 < PaulFertser> jpa-: good to know. BTW, I think most OSes now come with multi-arch gdb, so you do not need specific arm-none-eabi version often. 2015-01-07T13:37:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T13:38:14 < karlp> 2014q4 is a very new gdb too, 2015-01-07T13:38:21 < karlp> there's been problems in the past with oocd compatibility with gdb 2015-01-07T13:38:21 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 lool 2015-01-07T13:38:37 < karlp> oocd blaming gdb, gdb not giving a shit what oocd thinks 2015-01-07T13:39:11 < PaulFertser> karlp: hm, care to elaborate? This was before I got involved apparently, and my own experience talking to GDB devs was strictly positive. 2015-01-07T13:39:36 < karlp> it was to do with xml descriptors and things, oocd didn't support them, gdb would send them, and oocd wouldn'ðt work 2015-01-07T13:39:45 < karlp> this is why people were using texane, 2015-01-07T13:40:03 < PaulFertser> Hm, I guess it was quite a bit different :) 2015-01-07T13:40:14 < karlp> it's "in the past" but I'm just saying it's not unprecedented that new releases of gdb and oocd don't always play together nicely 2015-01-07T13:40:16 < PaulFertser> It's gdb server that should send xml descriptors. 2015-01-07T13:40:21 < PaulFertser> And OpenOCD used to not do that. 2015-01-07T13:40:39 < karlp> it's a long time ago, I don't remember the details all that clearly anymore 2015-01-07T13:40:53 < PaulFertser> And gdb was not to blame, they just followed some particular arm register layout by default in the absence of xml desc. 2015-01-07T13:40:59 < karlp> just that spencer said things like, "it's your problem with your busted gdb" 2015-01-07T13:41:26 < PaulFertser> And that happened to change in the mean time. So OpenOCD "become incompatible" with gdb. But it was easy to fix by using explicit tdesc xml file. 2015-01-07T13:41:29 < karlp> anyway, like I said, all int he past now 2015-01-07T13:41:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-12-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-07T13:41:52 < PaulFertser> Well, gdb did change their defaults afaict, so it was sort of busted. 2015-01-07T13:42:00 < PaulFertser> I do not see how you can deny that ;) 2015-01-07T13:42:23 < karlp> "oocd is the best, oocd is the one true source, oocd is the koolaid" doesn't fly very well with me I'm afraid. 2015-01-07T13:42:27 < PaulFertser> Hm, I guess I should try 2014q4 myself then? Is it known to be broken? 2015-01-07T13:42:43 < PaulFertser> Come on, I'm not saying that :) 2015-01-07T13:43:45 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, that might be it 2015-01-07T13:44:01 < dongs> Did you know? If you're getting mylittlepony results in your google searches, just enable safesearch to make them go away. 2015-01-07T13:44:25 < qyx_> in a conformance with my new year resolution to be positive and nice to others 2015-01-07T13:44:31 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, i tried ubuntu's arm gdb first, but it was totally busted (internal errors as soon as i tried to run anything) 2015-01-07T13:44:44 < qyx_> i am saying that oocd worked for me yesterday! 2015-01-07T13:45:30 < jpa-> i am saying that oocd is the only thing that hasn't given me shit today 2015-01-07T13:45:49 < PaulFertser> jpa-: heh. I've tried Gentoo's system gdb (not arm-specific) and it worked but was slower getting the backtraces iirc. 2015-01-07T13:46:50 < jpa-> what were the best -g options to use? -g -g3 -ggdb -gdwarf-2 do i need those all? 2015-01-07T13:46:51 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T13:48:15 < karlp> -ggdb3 is what I use. 2015-01-07T13:49:09 < jpa-> do you get macros to gdb? 2015-01-07T13:49:23 < karlp> yeah, either -g3 or -ggdb did that, don't remember which 2015-01-07T13:49:34 < PaulFertser> -g3 and -ggdb3 2015-01-07T13:49:42 < PaulFertser> Both are equivalent and provide macro expansion. 2015-01-07T13:50:04 < karlp> hrm, I thought -g3 wasn't enough in the past, but I didn't keep serious notes onit 2015-01-07T13:51:03 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.141.94] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T13:57:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-76-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T13:59:57 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T14:08:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Gm4rDv8.jpg found this 2015-01-07T14:10:38 < karlp> friend? 2015-01-07T14:10:39 < karlp> wtf? 2015-01-07T14:13:24 < GargantuaSauce> speak friend and insert 2015-01-07T14:14:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iUqV6km.png 2015-01-07T14:14:25 < dongs> found this on card 2015-01-07T14:16:40 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T14:18:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-76-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-07T14:20:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-07T14:28:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T14:44:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-12-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T14:46:20 < Laurenceb> where is the stm32f3x4 reference manual? 2015-01-07T14:48:53 < dongs> this USB CF reader i found next to this shit is USB 1.1 2015-01-07T14:48:55 < dongs> lulz 2015-01-07T14:49:03 < dongs> 900k/sec when it feels lucky 2015-01-07T14:49:14 < karlp> only 4meg cf card anyway, who crs 2015-01-07T14:50:30 < Laurenceb> hmm wtf 2015-01-07T14:50:38 < Laurenceb> google cache says reference manual exists 2015-01-07T14:58:05 < Steffanx> because it is just there.. 2015-01-07T15:02:13 < Laurenceb> where? 2015-01-07T15:04:49 < Steffanx> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1576/LN1820/PF259926# there? 334 is the only 3x4 there is not? 2015-01-07T15:07:17 < Laurenceb> oh i see 2015-01-07T15:07:25 < Laurenceb> it want on the main ref manual page 2015-01-07T15:07:27 < Laurenceb> thanks 2015-01-07T15:07:54 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668 this i s what happens when you let sandniggers into your country unchecked 2015-01-07T15:10:58 < Steffanx> You jappies and chinese try to kill us with foodpoisoning so .. i guess we all have something 2015-01-07T15:12:00 < Steffanx> Here in dutchland they just show that video on the news 2015-01-07T15:12:47 < Laurenceb> wtf HRTIM 2015-01-07T15:13:04 < Laurenceb> its just toggling the timer phase, megalame 2015-01-07T15:14:28 < jpa-> why lame? 2015-01-07T15:14:31 < jpa-> useful 2015-01-07T15:14:52 < Laurenceb> i guess... for pwm stuff 2015-01-07T15:15:00 < Laurenceb> i was hoping itd be useful for lidar 2015-01-07T15:15:09 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-07T15:16:39 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-07T15:19:25 < Laurenceb> hmmm 2015-01-07T15:19:51 < Laurenceb> i wonder what the best solution for high speed input capture is 2015-01-07T15:20:06 < Laurenceb> PIC32 has the charge accumulation stamping thingy 2015-01-07T15:23:33 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T15:24:01 < Laurenceb> sensl kit + regular LED should be capable of making a decent lidar 2015-01-07T15:24:16 < Laurenceb> sensl.com/ 2015-01-07T15:26:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T15:27:59 < Laurenceb> could make for some epic quadcopter add on boards... if the input capture issue could be solved 2015-01-07T15:28:20 < jpa-> how fast would it have to be? 2015-01-07T15:29:39 < Laurenceb> dunno :P 2015-01-07T15:29:47 < Laurenceb> nanosecond or so would be good 2015-01-07T15:30:00 < Laurenceb> i guess PIC32 claims ~2ns 2015-01-07T15:30:09 < Laurenceb> but its PIC... :P 2015-01-07T15:30:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-12-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-07T15:30:28 < Laurenceb> and its an analogue single shot thing, so less useful 2015-01-07T15:30:52 < Laurenceb> detects 1 photon then resets 2015-01-07T15:35:42 < _Sync_> Laurenceb: did you look at the driver for the hrtim? 2015-01-07T15:35:49 < _Sync_> super insane 2015-01-07T15:36:05 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-01-07T15:36:17 < Laurenceb> but Ti and Renesas make similar devices 2015-01-07T15:36:34 < Laurenceb> nobody seems to have used it for input capture :-/ 2015-01-07T15:37:32 < _Sync_> I wanted to use it for the intended purpose, smps control but the amount of driver code kinda scares me 2015-01-07T15:38:02 < Laurenceb> huh 2015-01-07T15:38:08 < Laurenceb> surely it needs less driver code 2015-01-07T15:38:47 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-01-07T15:49:55 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-07T16:03:27 < jpa-> hmm, looks like just '-g3' doesn't give debugging symbols, have to use '-g -g3' 2015-01-07T16:03:51 < PaulFertser> afaict, it does 2015-01-07T16:05:46 < jpa-> hmph.. it does if i try to test it alone 2015-01-07T16:06:56 < jpa-> gah 2015-01-07T16:07:07 < jpa-> someone has put -MT there without argument 2015-01-07T16:07:11 < jpa-> so it just eats the next one 2015-01-07T16:29:31 < GargantuaSauce> buildscripts are the best place for cargoculting 2015-01-07T16:30:23 < GargantuaSauce> what esoteric rituals must the aspiring acolyte conduct to appease the compiler gods? 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2015-01-07T17:55:34 < Laurenceb> on the right 2015-01-07T17:55:42 < gxti> yes. 2015-01-07T17:56:41 < Steffanx> for $125 one could just buy some AP that comes with PoE .. 2015-01-07T17:56:49 < Laurenceb> doesnt look very safe pcb design 2015-01-07T17:57:12 < _Sync_> no clearances 2015-01-07T17:57:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-07T17:57:18 < _Sync_> but it probably is also not grounded 2015-01-07T17:57:23 < _Sync_> so #yolo 2015-01-07T17:57:28 < _Sync_> until somebody dies 2015-01-07T17:57:35 < gxti> but it wouldn't be quality apple product Steffanx 2015-01-07T17:57:44 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T17:57:50 < gxti> everything else is chinatrash 2015-01-07T17:57:57 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-07T17:58:07 * Laurenceb has three CE approved products now 2015-01-07T17:58:14 < Steffanx> unifi is almost apple style. It's round, has a fancy led ring. 2015-01-07T17:58:25 < Steffanx> its not glossy though 2015-01-07T17:58:29 < gxti> yes, unifi is a no-brainer 2015-01-07T18:00:32 < Laurenceb> CE is actually pretty easy 2015-01-07T18:01:02 < Steffanx> Yeah, just design a fake logo and put it on your product. 2015-01-07T18:01:03 < Laurenceb> just a load of bullshit and you are done - i now have it semi automated 2015-01-07T18:01:06 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-07T18:01:20 < Laurenceb> with latex +makefiles 2015-01-07T18:03:38 < gxti> my butt is CE approved 2015-01-07T18:03:42 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T18:06:44 < Steffanx> Also done with latex and stuff gxti? 2015-01-07T18:06:58 < gxti> certainly 2015-01-07T18:07:42 -!- scrts2 [b2fa714a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.250.113.74] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T18:07:48 -!- scrts2 [b2fa714a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.250.113.74] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-07T18:07:48 -!- scrts2 [b2fa714a@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T18:07:49 -!- scrts2 [b2fa714a@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-07T18:07:49 -!- scrts2 [b2fa714a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.250.113.74] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T18:08:09 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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He modded it with a small OpenWrt router. 2015-01-07T20:57:12 < PaulFertser> To have remote control via wifi. 2015-01-07T20:57:13 < KreAture_> unfortunately a lot of the models have issues with lcd panels dying 2015-01-07T20:57:21 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.113.89.167] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T20:57:21 < KreAture_> awsome PaulFertser 2015-01-07T20:57:25 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-07T20:57:30 < zyp> KreAture_, yeah, my friend described it as «this thing actually works as opposed to the one we had before» 2015-01-07T20:58:19 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-07T20:58:36 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: but he has a newer model, where we had to solder to USB vias. 2015-01-07T20:58:42 < KreAture_> They use this shitty 128x128 pixels 4 color grayscale display with a chip on glass thing and very bad i2c 2015-01-07T20:59:05 < KreAture_> problem Is the lcd suddently stops displaying anything but the communication is still same 2015-01-07T20:59:12 < KreAture_> Mine has killed two displays 2015-01-07T20:59:18 < KreAture_> I think it happens during init 2015-01-07T20:59:28 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! I just know you're gonna fail.] 2015-01-07T20:59:43 < KreAture_> basically neato sets a few voltage reg values and such during init and with bad io on the i2c you can have corrupted values 2015-01-07T20:59:51 < KreAture_> result could mean damaging the display 2015-01-07T21:00:12 < KreAture_> like setting the voltage booster to max even though you are supplying 3.3v and not 1.8 2015-01-07T21:00:13 < KreAture_> etc 2015-01-07T21:00:30 < KreAture_> anyway, since the displays are so hard to get I am writing a converter 2015-01-07T21:00:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T21:01:06 < KreAture_> it emulates the original display so neato can run as before, but it translates this into different model displays so you can just hook a easily available one up 2015-01-07T21:01:09 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-07T21:01:30 < KreAture_> may be a lot of work just to get my neato working again, but it is so much fun it can hardly be called work 2015-01-07T21:01:48 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: here's half-ready page if you're interested http://xv11hacking.wikispaces.com/Neato%20XV%20series%20WiFi%20remote%20control. 2015-01-07T21:01:57 < KreAture_> read that 2015-01-07T21:01:59 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: cool project btw! 2015-01-07T21:02:05 < KreAture_> The guy didn't follow up on the display 2015-01-07T21:02:29 < KreAture_> but I have dumps of mine with logic analyser and I have identified the controller and even gotten ahold of the actual coding manual for it, not just the reference 2015-01-07T21:02:41 < KreAture_> I have implemented all the i2c slave stuff, including all commands 2015-01-07T21:02:54 < KreAture_> I can decode all the commands coming in and even identify parameters in the opcodes 2015-01-07T21:03:02 < KreAture_> I also get the image data and the addressing stuff 2015-01-07T21:03:08 < englishman> cool 2015-01-07T21:03:13 < KreAture_> I've looked at the data and it is all correct 2015-01-07T21:03:19 < KreAture_> now it just needs to display it 2015-01-07T21:03:43 < KreAture_> http://snag.gy/qKXQ1.jpg 2015-01-07T21:03:53 < KreAture_> small excerpt of data exported to excel and converted to binary 2015-01-07T21:03:58 < KreAture_> hihi 2015-01-07T21:04:16 < KreAture_> each column is actually a byte in binary 2015-01-07T21:04:19 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-07T21:04:24 < KreAture_> as I said: so much fun 2015-01-07T21:04:36 < KreAture_> I think I am happiest whenever I do reverse engineering 2015-01-07T21:04:46 < KreAture_> it is what I enjoy the most I am sure 2015-01-07T21:05:10 < KreAture_> Makes me giggle like a schoolgirl every time I find and verify a new thing 2015-01-07T21:05:36 < KreAture_> Phone company didn't think so back in 1996 though, but all is good 2015-01-07T21:05:40 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-07T21:06:02 -!- Smd__ [~Smd_@79.114.80.120] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T21:06:29 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.113.89.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-07T21:09:08 -!- mumptai 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interesting 2015-01-07T21:47:21 < Simon--> windows CE of course 2015-01-07T21:47:38 < Simon--> d'oh 2015-01-07T21:47:51 < bvernoux> anyway bitbanging was the only solution to do a cool I2C driver on stm32 reaching 1MHz ;) 2015-01-07T21:48:18 < bvernoux> as STM32 have really crazppy I2C since lot of years .... 2015-01-07T21:48:35 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-47.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T21:48:39 < bvernoux> they should look what is done on LPC for example ;) 2015-01-07T21:49:01 < bvernoux> also things like SGPIO will be a must have on STM32 2015-01-07T21:52:19 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.60.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-07T21:54:07 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T21:54:09 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.67.177] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-07T21:54:53 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-47.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-07T21:55:36 -!- Smd_ 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KreAture_> 9 bit mode 2015-01-08T00:53:22 < kakeman> what lcd? 2015-01-08T00:54:05 < KreAture_> old nokia lcd 2015-01-08T00:54:09 < KreAture_> I have a tonn of em 2015-01-08T00:54:16 < KreAture_> they are like 1-2 usd a piece 2015-01-08T00:54:37 < KreAture_> 98x70 pix, color 2015-01-08T00:54:41 < KreAture_> around 1" 2015-01-08T00:54:55 < KreAture_> I had written libs for em before, using avr 2015-01-08T00:55:20 < kakeman> they used spi back then for display? 2015-01-08T00:55:27 < kakeman> 3310 times? 2015-01-08T00:55:32 < KreAture_> but now I removed all the bitbang shit and simply configed the spi to half duplex 2015-01-08T00:55:37 < KreAture_> yes those times 2015-01-08T00:55:42 < KreAture_> this is for nokia 1600 2015-01-08T00:56:05 < KreAture_> The displays are actually quite nice for small stuff 2015-01-08T00:56:19 < KreAture_> I put one in my trolling motor displaying battery, current and amp-hour usage 2015-01-08T00:56:22 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-08T00:56:41 < kakeman> avr bitbanging shiet 2015-01-08T00:56:48 < KreAture_> yeap 2015-01-08T00:56:57 < KreAture_> 9 bit command interface 2015-01-08T00:57:16 < kakeman> I like oled displays 2015-01-08T00:57:23 < KreAture_> stm32 handled it natively on my stm32f030 2015-01-08T00:57:24 < kakeman> cost like hell 2015-01-08T00:57:41 < KreAture_> I have to switch to 8 bit and turn the io to rx for receive though 2015-01-08T00:57:45 < KreAture_> but it's still easy 2015-01-08T00:58:00 < KreAture_> now, I need to add the pwm output for my backlight driver 2015-01-08T00:58:03 < kakeman> do you run graphics or just render text? 2015-01-08T00:58:11 < KreAture_> then it's just a matter of outputting the neato image to the new display 2015-01-08T00:58:12 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-08T00:58:18 < KreAture_> I am making a bridge 2015-01-08T00:58:32 < kakeman> when your cortex enlightenment happend? 2015-01-08T00:58:36 < KreAture_> from Neato Robotics lcd displays in the vacuums to a normal easy-to-get display 2015-01-08T00:58:55 < KreAture_> I mostly done avr work, and msp430 2015-01-08T00:59:03 < KreAture_> and hate the dumb peripherals 2015-01-08T00:59:16 < KreAture_> started to learn stm32 ages ago, but the tools sucked 2015-01-08T00:59:22 < kakeman> when you realized avr is bit meh compared to cortex? 2015-01-08T00:59:27 < KreAture_> at work I use it but mostly just do logic work with iar 2015-01-08T00:59:40 < KreAture_> when I tested my first cortex peripheral 2015-01-08T00:59:42 < KreAture_> a serial port 2015-01-08T00:59:48 < KreAture_> a year ago 2015-01-08T00:59:54 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-08T00:59:57 < KreAture_> I could not believe how much better they were 2015-01-08T01:00:11 < KreAture_> they are smart and don't have to generate ints per byte etc 2015-01-08T01:00:33 < kakeman> I regret I didn't take my friends advice sooner 2015-01-08T01:00:34 < KreAture_> I am used to concurency and planning and with the stm it is just so much easier 2015-01-08T01:00:58 < KreAture_> ppl usually find what I make the avr's do a tad overworked 2015-01-08T01:01:03 < KreAture_> and I have to agree 2015-01-08T01:01:12 < KreAture_> but most have been happy and with very low consumption 2015-01-08T01:01:20 < KreAture_> although modern cortex can whip their ass 2015-01-08T01:01:37 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T01:01:42 < KreAture_> especially when I use the periphs and get that idle and powerdown mode going 2015-01-08T01:01:47 < KreAture_> anyway, works yey! 2015-01-08T01:01:55 < KreAture_> hope I have a pwm output free 2015-01-08T01:02:08 < KreAture_> stm32f030 is restricted in 20 pin package 2015-01-08T01:02:17 < kakeman> you can avoid losing your mind 2015-01-08T01:02:38 < KreAture_> haha 2015-01-08T01:02:39 < KreAture_> awsome 2015-01-08T01:02:44 < KreAture_> I have PA2 left 2015-01-08T01:03:06 < KreAture_> and guess what, TIM15_CH2 is there 2015-01-08T01:03:17 < KreAture_> but no, only on x8 devices 2015-01-08T01:03:18 < KreAture_> dang 2015-01-08T01:03:21 < KreAture_> I have a x6 2015-01-08T01:03:27 < KreAture_> aha! 2015-01-08T01:03:49 < KreAture_> I need to swap pa4 and pa2 then I have what I need 2015-01-08T01:03:50 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-08T01:04:00 < KreAture_> tim14 2015-01-08T01:11:26 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-08T01:13:36 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T01:14:24 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T01:15:36 < kakeman> do you know guys is lipo battery thermistor usually referenced to cell- or cell+? 2015-01-08T01:16:01 < kakeman> I think it's usually cell- but not sure 2015-01-08T01:16:59 < KreAture_> often - yes 2015-01-08T01:20:37 < kakeman> I was blown away of battery management solutions 2015-01-08T01:21:03 < kakeman> amount of different chips 2015-01-08T01:21:33 < kakeman> charger, balancer, cell monitors 2015-01-08T01:22:19 < kakeman> I just rather do cell monitors/balancers myself and connect them to mcu that controls shiet 2015-01-08T01:23:53 < kakeman> I don't bother to do industry standard battery management protocols 2015-01-08T01:26:18 < Simon--> "4.2Vish" 2015-01-08T01:29:08 < kakeman> MO: "4.2?" 2015-01-08T01:29:19 < kakeman> SO: "nope." 2015-01-08T01:30:59 < Laurenceb_> MOPP 2015-01-08T01:31:00 < Laurenceb_> MOOP 2015-01-08T01:34:22 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-137-224.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T01:35:07 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T01:35:44 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-1-145.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T01:38:29 < kakeman> Laurenceb_: morning poop? 2015-01-08T01:39:41 < Laurenceb_> i was laughing at the acronyms 2015-01-08T01:40:36 < kakeman> AIDS 2015-01-08T01:46:07 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 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< kakeman> I didn't quite like those displays back then 2015-01-08T02:23:25 < kakeman> are those better than orginals? 2015-01-08T02:23:29 < KreAture_> no 2015-01-08T02:23:39 < KreAture_> fov is bad 2015-01-08T02:23:40 < KreAture_> etc 2015-01-08T02:23:49 < KreAture_> but for a display to play with it's good 2015-01-08T02:23:49 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-08T02:27:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-08T02:27:58 < kakeman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Serial-SPI-I2C-1-8-256x64-Dots-OLED-Display-Module-for-Arduino-PIC-AVR-ARM-/301220784396 I rather go with single color oled 2015-01-08T02:28:38 < KreAture_> Problem with most of the oleds is the connector sucks and the controller latches up easily 2015-01-08T02:28:54 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-08T02:29:02 < KreAture_> also I needed a square one 2015-01-08T02:29:03 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-08T02:32:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251202102.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T02:34:32 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWFFhN3hRdVJkLUU/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-08T02:42:44 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-48-112.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T02:44:44 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-228-197.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T02:45:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-08T02:45:31 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251208188.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T02:46:07 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251202102.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T02:47:00 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251208188.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-08T02:51:52 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-228-197.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-08T02:54:45 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-25-68.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T02:55:38 < upgrdman> split-phase ac... seem like the neutral wire is usually the same diameter as the two phases. should it be thicker, since it has to carry current for both phases? 2015-01-08T02:57:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:00:03 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-25-68.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T03:02:44 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-186-49.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:07:27 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-08T03:10:01 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-08T03:13:23 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:13:52 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:17:27 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-186-49.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T03:18:16 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124.171.59.120] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:21:29 < PeterM_Mobile> upgrdman no, not if the loading between the phases is even, because then near 0 current returns through the neutral 2015-01-08T03:22:46 < upgrdman> hmmmm ok 2015-01-08T03:32:58 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-08T03:36:15 < kakeman> I can go to sleep 2015-01-08T03:38:33 -!- pulsar_ [076100cbb2@memoryleaks.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-08T03:39:16 < kakeman> anytime 2015-01-08T03:39:41 -!- pulsar [af4f2f00ee@memoryleaks.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:41:36 < upgrdman> dongs, is this kind of wood joint common in .jp or is it just some artisan stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1pvUlQgYtk 2015-01-08T03:42:25 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124.171.59.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T03:44:45 < qyx_> ololol 2015-01-08T03:44:46 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124.171.57.96] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T03:47:37 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah 2015-01-08T03:47:43 < kakeman> in other countries it's made with machines with high speed 2015-01-08T03:48:04 < upgrdman> dongs, yeah, which one? common? 2015-01-08T03:48:10 < dongs> yes 2015-01-08T03:49:00 < upgrdman> looks neat, but wouldn't it be cheaper and stronger with a simple joint + wood glue? 2015-01-08T03:49:01 < qyx_> yep, here the wood is sawn to end in \/\/\/\ 2015-01-08T03:49:04 < qyx_> and then just glued 2015-01-08T03:49:07 < upgrdman> ya 2015-01-08T03:49:11 < kakeman> what a hell it that 2015-01-08T03:49:39 < kakeman> jap is doing puzzle out of structual bar 2015-01-08T03:50:32 < kakeman> they just love details 2015-01-08T03:51:39 < kakeman> is TTIP ok? 2015-01-08T03:57:26 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-08T03:59:44 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-08T04:02:40 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T04:11:41 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T04:15:21 < upgrdman> PeterM_Mobile, with an unbalanced load on split-phase, is it less efficient? like, does the other half of the secondary get hotter? 2015-01-08T04:21:35 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124.171.57.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T04:26:33 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.27.32] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T04:26:46 -!- jef79m_ [~jef79m@124.170.221.128] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T04:26:48 -!- jef79m_ is now known as jef79m 2015-01-08T04:31:35 < dongs> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/robohand.jpg 2015-01-08T04:35:02 < PeterM_Mobile> upgrdman not particularly, no. 2015-01-08T04:35:10 < upgrdman> k thanks 2015-01-08T04:43:01 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d40e1e.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T04:43:58 < kakeman> automagic hand impaller? 2015-01-08T04:44:19 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d41275.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-08T04:55:27 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T05:05:38 < emeb_mac> R2COM: pretty sure it was fr4 2015-01-08T05:05:57 < emeb_mac> I didn't handle the PCB details - that was the other guy on the team 2015-01-08T05:19:32 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T05:45:13 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-08T05:45:34 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T05:53:32 < dongs> sup innovators 2015-01-08T05:53:42 < dongs> R2COM: mine is DP832, i'm too cheap for 832A 2015-01-08T05:54:00 < dongs> plus teh screen on 832A looks retarded 2015-01-08T05:54:06 < dongs> some racecar dash like shit 2015-01-08T05:54:09 < ReadError> dongs i learned 2015-01-08T05:54:16 < ReadError> the 1st color has 2 colors 2015-01-08T05:54:31 < dongs> ReadError: on 832? the monitor is color 2015-01-08T05:54:39 < dongs> they just only have like 3 paleete choices 2015-01-08T05:54:40 < ReadError> ya but I mean on the main 3 panel screen 2015-01-08T05:54:52 < dongs> dur? 2015-01-08T05:54:57 < dongs> you mean dark green and bright gren? 2015-01-08T05:55:01 < dongs> when the segment is enabled 2015-01-08T05:55:08 < ReadError> this is like yellow/orange 2015-01-08T05:56:05 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-XmLbBjd/0/X3/CA_01071522554489-X3.jpg 2015-01-08T05:56:24 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T05:56:36 < dongs> ohh 2015-01-08T05:56:38 < dongs> how did you do thaT? 2015-01-08T05:57:53 < ReadError> picked the 1st color 2015-01-08T05:57:57 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/oVS3h fapshack update 2015-01-08T05:58:20 < ReadError> then upped the contrast 2015-01-08T05:59:03 < dongs> ah cool 2015-01-08T06:01:43 < PeterM_Mobile> dongs what's with the solar panels? You one of those damn hippies? 2015-01-08T06:03:29 < qyx_> dongpie 2015-01-08T06:03:35 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as cmcmanis_home 2015-01-08T06:03:38 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-08T06:05:21 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124.170.221.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-08T06:09:48 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-188-226.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T06:14:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T06:15:45 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T06:15:53 < dongs> R2COM: 832 high resolution programming option is one click away wiht riglol.com 2015-01-08T06:29:06 < dongs> 3 2015-01-08T06:29:15 < ReadError> R2COM you use riglol 2015-01-08T06:29:19 < ReadError> put in serial # 2015-01-08T06:29:22 < ReadError> gives you all the keys 2015-01-08T06:29:45 < dongs> it is 3 channel, and different voltages for al l3 2015-01-08T06:29:48 < dongs> but 3rd channel is 5V/3A max 2015-01-08T06:29:53 < dongs> first 2 are 30V/3A 2015-01-08T06:29:57 < dongs> duno wat it is on 832A. 2015-01-08T06:30:14 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-199-255-218-99.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T06:30:19 < dongs> yeah highres option is just a riglol away. 2015-01-08T06:30:31 < dongs> i dont need it, so I justenabled it for lols 2015-01-08T06:30:42 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T06:31:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T06:32:57 < dongs> yes... 2015-01-08T06:33:34 < ReadError> what difference is there besides the Y split screen 2015-01-08T06:34:36 < dongs> ya :) 2015-01-08T06:36:12 < ReadError> R2COM they have the sores code 2015-01-08T06:36:13 < PeterM_Mobile> R2COM iirc the code generators source is open so if your scared of them seeing through your tin foil hat you can do it yourself. 2015-01-08T06:36:15 < ReadError> so you can do it yourself 2015-01-08T06:36:20 < ReadError> ^ 2015-01-08T06:38:41 < PeterM_Mobile> $100? How will you afford dingles bluetooth dildo then? 2015-01-08T06:40:51 < dongs> i picked up some of those BQ24192 charger shits from nexus5 2015-01-08T06:40:57 < dongs> gonna see if I can blow some lipos up 2015-01-08T07:10:19 < englishman> R2COM: you can download riglol sores code and .exe and make your own key 2015-01-08T07:10:39 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-188-226.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T07:12:26 < englishman> that wood joint is pretty neat 2015-01-08T07:16:49 -!- jef79m_ [~jef79m@124-171-50-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T07:17:39 < dongs> We have sorted out all the issues, just a major problem is the wire bonding of LED's to display the numbers, as LED's are easily about to short circuit because of the large number of LED's in small place. We don't want to make something faulty and ship it and fulfill the orders. we are in the process to solve that problem. 2015-01-08T07:17:44 < dongs> We are truly working hard to launch this product, we don't want to get away with this 300,000$ as we have 15 times more orders are waiting once we launch the product. 2015-01-08T07:18:54 < PeterM_Mobile> What "product" is that? 2015-01-08T07:19:39 < upgrdman> englishman, theres other neat videos that autoplay after that one. lots of nice carpentry. 2015-01-08T07:20:19 < dongs> PeterM_Mobile: smarty ring 2015-01-08T07:20:36 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/189632/files/20131111072958-girl.jpg?1384183798 2015-01-08T07:20:47 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/189710/files/20131111075925-charger.jpg?1384185565 2015-01-08T07:20:48 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-63-204.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T07:20:56 < dongs> metal ring with induction charging 2015-01-08T07:20:57 < dongs> pretty pro shit bro 2015-01-08T07:21:07 -!- jef79m_ [~jef79m@124-171-50-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T07:22:34 < upgrdman> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/189632/files/20131111072958-girl.jpg?1384183798 looks like she want to chop off some balls or something 2015-01-08T07:29:28 < PeterM_Mobile> Wtf leds on that? Why not oled display? 2015-01-08T07:30:07 < dongs> PeterM_Mobile: they used some fucking led matrix driver IC 2015-01-08T07:30:26 < dongs> by "used" i mean, made some pcb that wasnt even flexpcb 2015-01-08T07:30:36 < dongs> and they're individually wirebonding led dies to fpc 2015-01-08T07:30:43 < PeterM_Mobile> Wut. 2015-01-08T07:42:53 < upgrdman> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfFko5qhZtY 2015-01-08T07:49:36 < dongs> seen before 2015-01-08T07:51:09 < upgrdman> nice russian statue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enema#mediaviewer/File:Klizma.jpg 2015-01-08T07:51:34 < upgrdman> "Monument to an enema, a 360-kilogram (790 lb) brass syringe bulb held aloft by three angels, at the "Mashuk" spa in the settlement of Inozemtsevo in Russia. It is the only known monument to the enema." 2015-01-08T07:52:22 < upgrdman> i can 2015-01-08T07:53:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-45-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T08:00:39 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-63-204.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T08:03:08 -!- Hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T08:03:48 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-25-203.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T08:08:12 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-25-203.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T08:10:19 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-12-235.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T08:14:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-12-235.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T08:17:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-206-243.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T08:39:41 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-206-243.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T08:42:19 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-19-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T08:57:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-08T08:59:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-45-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:00:29 -!- cmcmanis_home [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:00:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-45-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:01:04 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:04:17 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:07:37 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:16:30 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:24:02 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-19-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:24:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:27:21 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-8-14.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:33:21 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:35:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:37:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-08T09:38:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-45-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:41:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:53:47 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-8-14.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-08T09:54:14 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:56:52 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-155-83.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T09:56:53 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-08T10:02:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-08T10:04:10 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T10:08:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T10:18:51 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T10:18:51 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-08T10:31:30 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T10:39:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-08T10:40:01 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-155-83.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T10:41:40 -!- scrts2 [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Also, carpet? Not high wear resistance vinyl flooring? 2015-01-08T10:52:39 < dongs> i will hardly ever be tehre, and wat iron? 2015-01-08T10:52:55 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-170-11.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-08T10:53:20 < bgdwiepp> Ahh ok, I just hate shit getting stuck in carpet, that's all. 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2015-01-08T13:21:40 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T13:21:45 < dongs> its like a tiny balcony, they're not flush with window, tehres some extra space 2015-01-08T13:21:52 < dongs> maybe its for hanging jap clothes outside 2015-01-08T13:22:21 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-08T13:22:22 < zyp> that's where you air your futon 2015-01-08T13:22:28 < dongs> rite. 2015-01-08T13:24:01 < karlp> hang out blow up doll to dry after you've washed it with the intensive dildotronics testing 2015-01-08T13:24:46 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T13:24:56 < dongs> rite 2015-01-08T13:25:01 < PeterM_Mobile> Blow up doll? According to a recent paper on the economics of prostitution I thought it might be cheap enough to just use people? 2015-01-08T13:26:34 < karlp> depends on the legal jurisdiction, volume, and what you intend to do with them.... 2015-01-08T13:27:37 < ReadError> how hard could it be to get laid in japan 2015-01-08T13:27:45 < ReadError> women pay just to talk to men over there 2015-01-08T13:28:30 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T13:33:17 < PeterM_Mobile> http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21611074-how-new-technology-shaking-up-oldest-business-more-bang-your-buck?fsrc=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/morebangforyourbuck 2015-01-08T13:34:39 < dongs> haha 2015-01-08T13:34:51 < dongs> very nice research 2015-01-08T13:36:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T13:38:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T13:39:06 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:00:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-08T14:07:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:11:09 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-okacrmghvwjtvoyl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-08T14:18:52 < Laurenceb> relevant to the typical irc user 2015-01-08T14:20:01 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-08T14:21:44 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:21:50 < dongs> http://www.microscoutcam.com/medigus-products/micro-scoutcam-cameras-for-industrial-applications 2015-01-08T14:24:42 < GargantuaSauce> shit those are small 2015-01-08T14:24:58 < Laurenceb> said the hooker at the 3some 2015-01-08T14:25:02 < dongs> perfect for rectal examination 2015-01-08T14:25:21 < PeterM_Mobile> I figure dongs could claim them on tax as a bussiness expense 2015-01-08T14:25:28 < GargantuaSauce> 1.2mm can fit in a lot of more interesting orifices than that 2015-01-08T14:25:51 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/print-edition/20140809_FBC102.png 2015-01-08T14:25:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T14:25:53 < Laurenceb> lolling 2015-01-08T14:27:44 < dongs> only like 200x200 resolutio ntho 2015-01-08T14:27:59 < dongs> http://www.microscoutcam.com/medigus-products/1-2mm-disposable-microcamera 2015-01-08T14:28:01 < dongs> 'disposable' 2015-01-08T14:28:13 < PeterM_Mobile> What's the FOV? 2015-01-08T14:28:59 < dongs> 100º / 130º FOV available. 2015-01-08T14:29:36 < PeterM_Mobile> That is pretty horrible with 200x200 yeah 2015-01-08T14:30:52 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:31:55 < dongs> wonder why not just use optic fiber + a small lens or something on the end and route to a proper sensor 2015-01-08T14:31:57 < GargantuaSauce> the videos look pretty good though, not a lot of noise 2015-01-08T14:32:20 < Laurenceb> yeah i have an Olympus fibre "camera" 2015-01-08T14:32:25 < Laurenceb> ~1.5mm diameter 2015-01-08T14:33:13 < Laurenceb> In 2008 the Republican and Democratic national conventions were held in Minneapolis and Denver respectively. Around 50,000 visitors flocked to each city. Another study by Mr Cunningham and Mr Kendall found that the numbers of advertisements for sex on the now-defunct “erotic services” section of Craigslist, a classified-advertising site, were 41% higher in Minneapolis and 74% higher in Denver 2015-01-08T14:33:18 < Laurenceb> truly epic lulz 2015-01-08T14:34:37 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-08T14:48:24 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:48:43 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:52:02 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:54:53 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 2015-01-08T14:55:56 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh809212324.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T14:56:48 < ReadError> 28.63636MHz 2015-01-08T14:56:56 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.27.32] has quit [] 2015-01-08T14:57:00 < ReadError> how the hell do they come up with this stuff 2015-01-08T15:00:51 < PeterM_Mobile> They decide not to round. 2015-01-08T15:07:20 < GargantuaSauce> there is usually some rhyme and/or reason to those weird clocks 2015-01-08T15:07:32 < GargantuaSauce> lots of strange ones related to NTSC refresh rates for instance 2015-01-08T15:07:45 < GargantuaSauce> that one is 315/11 which might mean something 2015-01-08T15:08:40 -!- elektrinis [~cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-08T15:09:24 < Laurenceb> http://tesladownunder.com/LEDBIKEFront4RearON.jpg 2015-01-08T15:09:32 < Laurenceb> this is how i ride 2015-01-08T15:10:33 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T15:11:19 < BrainDamage> i'd be curious of the irradiated power and the luminance 2015-01-08T15:11:39 < Laurenceb> apparently raw power is 15kw 2015-01-08T15:14:35 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T15:16:36 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T15:18:47 < Steffanx> that brick to keep the bike from falling.. it really is a townie downie bike. 2015-01-08T15:22:52 < Steffanx> but seriously why?! 2015-01-08T15:34:19 < qyx_> hmm, it wouldn't even be that expensive 2015-01-08T15:34:25 < qyx_> 150x 100W led 2015-01-08T15:35:39 < GargantuaSauce> light pressure braking 2015-01-08T15:36:04 < qyx_> 100000 lumens only? 2015-01-08T15:36:11 < qyx_> single 100W led has about 9000 2015-01-08T15:36:17 < qyx_> its not probably 15kW 2015-01-08T15:36:36 < GargantuaSauce> definitely doesnt have the cooling for 15kW 2015-01-08T15:36:50 < qyx_> http://tesladownunder.com/WorldsBrightestBike.htm 2015-01-08T15:36:53 < qyx_> 1500W only 2015-01-08T15:36:54 < PeterM_Mobile> Yeah, nor cabling 2015-01-08T15:37:43 < PeterM_Mobile> Oh only 1500w that's sweet fuck all 2015-01-08T15:39:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.142] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T16:25:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ie0nqNlMw 2015-01-08T16:28:14 < Steffanx> :O 2015-01-08T16:37:35 < Laurenceb> obviously 2015-01-08T16:38:00 < Laurenceb> http://dc699.4shared.com/img/GR2o8UC-/s3/13c3f1d3400/history-channel-alien-guy-meme.jpg 2015-01-08T16:40:08 < qyx_> i was in our local electronics shop today because they have some epcos coilformers and cores on their web for reasonable prices 2015-01-08T16:40:32 < qyx_> the seller didn't know what is coilformer and ferrite core 2015-01-08T16:40:55 < qyx_> he claimed that he has never sold such thing 2015-01-08T16:41:04 < dongs> the fuck is a coilformer 2015-01-08T16:41:11 < qyx_> bobbin or whatever 2015-01-08T16:41:20 < dongs> to wind transformers on? 2015-01-08T16:41:33 < qyx_> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTk4WDcwMA==/z/rTQAAOSw9NxTr2JR/$_35.JPG 2015-01-08T16:41:42 < dongs> http://uk.farnell.com/epcos/b66208b1110t1/coil-former-e25-13-7-valox-420se0/dp/2077544 this is like first hit on google that makes sesne 2015-01-08T16:41:45 < dongs> yeah that 2015-01-08T16:41:47 < dongs> k 2015-01-08T16:42:36 < dongs> bedtime 2015-01-08T16:43:16 < qyx_> i payed 2€ for the whole ETD44 transformer here 2015-01-08T16:43:25 < qyx_> i would have payed like 15€ for that on farnell 2015-01-08T16:51:15 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-08T16:53:37 < Steffanx> Too bad the local EE store here is just some farnell reseller with 20% added to the price 2015-01-08T16:53:56 < Steffanx> 20% added the the price on farnell incl. VAT 2015-01-08T16:54:08 < GargantuaSauce> isnt that basically every brick-and-mortar store ever? 2015-01-08T16:55:00 < GargantuaSauce> with rare exceptions 2015-01-08T16:56:04 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-08T16:56:44 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T16:57:50 < Fleck> http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/01/07/crazy-genius-builds-redstone-minecraft-word-processor << go learn dongs! :D 2015-01-08T16:58:22 < zyp> I don't think dongs plays mein kraft 2015-01-08T16:58:40 < Steffanx> "crazy genius" <-> minecraft ... 2015-01-08T17:02:31 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-wtltlftkxfcpkkqx] has quit [K-Lined] 2015-01-08T17:03:51 < Laurenceb> kotaku?! 2015-01-08T17:04:50 < Laurenceb> inb4 gamergate 2015-01-08T17:08:23 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Quit: brb rebooting] 2015-01-08T17:08:27 -!- Abhishek_ 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are actually into "blocks", i strongly suggest looking at cube.... a 3D engine so simple, i bet you can put it on a microcontroller easily ;) 2015-01-08T17:57:20 < GargantuaSauce> you mean the octree one? 2015-01-08T17:57:44 < GargantuaSauce> there's actually a pretty cool fork of that with modernized lighting, tesseract 2015-01-08T17:57:56 < Getty> there are many forks of it 2015-01-08T17:58:04 < Getty> cube started a cult, sauerbraten, assault cube, so many forks 2015-01-08T17:58:43 < Getty> i was actually a big thing in assault cube ;) making gameserver, partly making 60% of the public gaming traffic 2015-01-08T18:01:00 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T18:15:29 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T18:28:26 < karlp> GargantuaSauce: we have a bricks and mortar store that's _explicitly_ farnell prices * yesterday's currency rate * 1.2 2015-01-08T18:28:41 < karlp> for ordering anything they don't keep in stock. 2015-01-08T18:34:56 < ReadError> i wish i had mouser prime 2015-01-08T18:35:03 < ReadError> 3.99 overnight option ;( 2015-01-08T18:36:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-109-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T18:36:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-08T18:41:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-08T18:44:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T18:45:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.google.com/patents/US3951134 2015-01-08T18:45:18 < Laurenceb> oh yeah 2015-01-08T18:47:34 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T18:55:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-45-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T18:57:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-08T18:58:46 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, here too 2015-01-08T18:58:57 < jpa-> karlp: used to be 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of gain and phase in specific circuit 2015-01-09T00:59:49 < kakeman> in specific frequency 2015-01-09T01:02:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-09T01:03:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T01:07:51 < kakeman> when you drive direcly flyback fet there is pullup in gate driving pins 2015-01-09T01:08:26 < kakeman> during chip start up 2015-01-09T01:08:47 < kakeman> so it does uncontrolled mess there 2015-01-09T01:09:29 < kakeman> I think I put little fet to pull gate down during start up 2015-01-09T01:20:28 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T01:37:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-09T01:52:15 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-09T02:06:53 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: 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world, the professor giving this year's Royal Institution Christmas lectures has warned. Danielle George, Professor of Radio Frequency Engineering, at the University of Manchester, claims that the under 40s expect everything to 'just work' and have no idea what to do when things go wrong. 2015-01-09T02:56:58 < dongs> attn Laurenceb__ 2015-01-09T02:57:15 < dongs> Unlike previous generations who would .make do and mend. now young people will just chuck out their faulty appliances and buy new ones. But Prof George claims that many broken or outdated gadgets could be fixed or repurposed with only a brief knowledge of engineering and electronics. 2015-01-09T02:59:39 < qyx_> heh 2015-01-09T03:17:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T03:20:36 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T03:21:21 -!- talsit2 [~talsit@133.1.248.54] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T03:22:28 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-09T03:23:28 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T03:24:49 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-09T03:25:28 -!- talsit2 [~talsit@133.1.248.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-09T03:42:35 -!- Hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T03:42:47 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T03:48:17 < qyx_> innovating networked valves 2015-01-09T03:48:18 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/TnHC3n6.png 2015-01-09T04:03:26 < _Sync_> wow 2015-01-09T04:06:43 < dongs> i see lunix gui 2015-01-09T04:07:16 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-09T04:13:56 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T04:14:13 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-09T04:41:06 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d432ad.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T04:42:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d40e1e.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-09T04:45:46 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-09T04:47:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-09T04:52:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T05:25:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-09T05:27:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T05:45:18 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-09T05:45:39 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T05:50:52 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-09T06:00:49 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T06:01:16 -!- Roklobsta is now known as Petomane 2015-01-09T06:06:54 < dongs> just got spam invitation for solutions for low power AC-DC SMPS by ST 2015-01-09T06:06:56 < dongs> where's beaky 2015-01-09T06:06:59 < dongs> aka kakeman 2015-01-09T06:07:16 < dongs> and it is a webinar 2015-01-09T06:07:25 < dongs> so he can attend it from his dimly lit basement 2015-01-09T06:08:36 < PeterM_Mobile> How long is it? 2015-01-09T06:09:06 < qyx_> their viper chips? 2015-01-09T06:09:16 < dongs> no clue, i didnt link 2015-01-09T06:09:18 < dongs> 12pmCST or somethign 2015-01-09T06:09:21 < dongs> er link =click 2015-01-09T06:09:22 < qyx_> O_o 2015-01-09T06:09:48 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/seminar/low-power-ac-dc-smps-webinar 2015-01-09T06:10:09 < dongs> looks like 1hour 2015-01-09T06:10:19 < dongs> qyx_: ya viper 2015-01-09T06:10:32 < qyx_> yep with their designsuite 2015-01-09T06:10:43 < qyx_> tried some 5W thing once 2015-01-09T06:10:48 < qyx_> never assembled it 2015-01-09T06:11:55 < qyx_> a should find a source for those small chinamade flyback transformers 2015-01-09T06:12:12 < dongs> probably ; china 2015-01-09T06:13:25 < PeterM_Mobile> qyx_ I hate sourcing those kind of magnetics 2015-01-09T06:13:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-09T06:14:58 < qyx_> if you want something sane here, ferroxcube and epcos are probably the only options 2015-01-09T06:14:58 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T06:15:03 < qyx_> and they usually cost fortune 2015-01-09T06:17:14 < PeterM_Mobile> Yeah, agreed. Even for cores and bobbins most charge a fortune 2015-01-09T06:17:25 < dongs> i think i gotta install outlook 2015-01-09T06:17:33 < dongs> this web gmail shit is starting to piss the fuck out of me 2015-01-09T06:17:46 < dongs> not being able to folder + organize shit is raging me 2015-01-09T06:17:56 < dongs> labels are the most fu cking dumb shit ever created 2015-01-09T06:18:18 < dongs> its like folders, except SHIT 2015-01-09T06:19:08 < qyx_> hm, probably i will try something from aliexpers 2015-01-09T06:19:26 < dongs> R2COM: how come spacex is allowing your NDA designs to go through fucking oshpark 2015-01-09T06:20:19 < PeterM_Mobile> qyx_ I use http://www.aliexpress.com/store/407105 for toroids they seem good 2015-01-09T06:21:10 < qyx_> PeterM_Mobile: thx, bookmarked 2015-01-09T06:21:43 < dongs> wtf 2015-01-09T06:21:46 < upgrdman> does dickpark not let you pick colors other than purple? 2015-01-09T06:21:50 < dongs> i clicked some spasnish link on aliexpress once 2015-01-09T06:21:56 < dongs> and now all fucking aliexpress links are in spanish 2015-01-09T06:21:58 < dongs> even proper ones 2015-01-09T06:22:27 < dongs> which part is the fail? 2015-01-09T06:22:53 < dongs> huh 2015-01-09T06:22:56 < dongs> one of htem teh big circle is gone 2015-01-09T06:22:57 < dongs> lol 2015-01-09T06:22:59 < dongs> yeah.. 2015-01-09T06:23:03 < dongs> how the fuck do you even mess something like that up 2015-01-09T06:23:20 < dongs> so one board has it bvut not the ot her? 2015-01-09T06:23:20 < qyx_> interesting 2015-01-09T06:23:24 < qyx_> mine was also spanish 2015-01-09T06:23:30 < dongs> qyx_: ... 2015-01-09T06:23:36 < ReadError> R2COM 2015-01-09T06:23:36 < dongs> really? 2015-01-09T06:23:40 < ReadError> they got shit that filters it 2015-01-09T06:23:46 < ReadError> if its near a pad or via 2015-01-09T06:23:55 < ReadError> i had some crazy shit happen too 2015-01-09T06:23:56 < dongs> R2COM: um bro, the board below HAS it 2015-01-09T06:24:01 < dongs> it is same gerber 2015-01-09T06:24:08 < dongs> that should have been just arryed or whatever 2015-01-09T06:24:17 < dongs> err R2COM -> ReadError 2015-01-09T06:24:19 < ReadError> oh i see 2015-01-09T06:24:38 < dongs> i dont like silk getting removed over vias anyway 2015-01-09T06:24:46 < dongs> my place doenst do it 2015-01-09T06:25:16 < PeterM_Mobile> Yeah, id prefer them make the board as I give them the gerbs for 2015-01-09T06:25:34 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-CmZLQg2/0/X3/CA_10091406283739-X3.jpg 2015-01-09T06:26:16 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-sgzbTw4/0/X3/CA_09291413165906-X3.jpg 2015-01-09T06:26:24 < ReadError> those, I did the same thing 2015-01-09T06:26:31 < ReadError> and it came out right so, i duno 2015-01-09T06:27:25 < ReadError> the white boxes 2015-01-09T06:27:53 < ReadError> yea the white dot, i know 2015-01-09T06:30:11 < dongs> fucking cloner garbage 2015-01-09T06:31:13 < qyx_> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/lcd-tv-transformer-LCD-20-EFD-_1708766337.html 2015-01-09T06:31:16 < qyx_> interesting form factor 2015-01-09T06:31:51 < upgrdman> reminds me of this: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/fluor_driver_pcb.jpg 2015-01-09T06:33:11 < qyx_> yeah like ccfl inverter transformers 2015-01-09T06:33:44 < ReadError> dongs clones? what? 2015-01-09T06:34:12 < ReadError> thats a readbro original design 2015-01-09T06:37:33 < ReadError> yea 2015-01-09T06:37:40 < ReadError> i try to plan around that now 2015-01-09T06:37:58 < ReadError> you had everyone fucked up 2015-01-09T06:38:06 < ReadError> talking about the spec change that didnt exist 2015-01-09T06:38:22 < ReadError> guy was freaking out 2015-01-09T06:40:04 < ReadError> by the way, did you notice that laen officially rolled back the rules 2015-01-09T06:40:04 < ReadError> its again 6 mil 2015-01-09T06:40:04 < ReadError> 13 drill 2015-01-09T06:40:04 < ReadError> and 7 anus ring 2015-01-09T06:40:05 < ReadError> that 2015-01-09T06:43:37 < ReadError> its always been that way for 2L 2015-01-09T06:45:53 < upgrdman> via short == short between via and nearby plane? 2015-01-09T06:46:10 < ReadError> R2COM 4l is still those specs 2015-01-09T06:46:31 < ReadError> i just ordered 3 diff boards with it 2015-01-09T06:48:43 < ReadError> 4 layer boards also have higher tolerances than 2 layer boards. The 4 layer boards support 5 mil traces and 5 mil spacing, and the smallest drill size is 10 mil, with a 4 mil annular ring. For additional information on drill files, please see our Drill Specs page. 2015-01-09T06:48:51 < ReadError> The minimum specs for 4 layer orders are 5 mil traces with 5 mil spacing, and 10 mil drills with 4 mil annular rings. 2015-01-09T06:48:52 < ReadError> ok then 2015-01-09T06:50:12 < ReadError> https://oshpark.com/pricing 2015-01-09T06:50:15 < ReadError> http://support.oshpark.com/support/articles/122263-4-layer-board-stackup-and-specifications 2015-01-09T06:50:23 < ReadError> yes, thats 2L 2015-01-09T06:50:54 < ReadError> that page has always said that 2015-01-09T06:55:07 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-09T07:03:22 < dongs> hm 2015-01-09T07:03:25 < dongs> their 4L stackup is also chinese 2015-01-09T07:03:32 < dongs> why the fuck 0.5oz in inner layers 2015-01-09T07:03:40 < dongs> its like backwards 2015-01-09T07:03:59 < dongs> it should be 0.5oz on outer layers, 1oz inside 2015-01-09T07:06:54 < upgrdman> sounds right, no? everything starts as 0.5oz, and at the end it's plated (vias and outer layers) another 0.5oz? 2015-01-09T07:15:35 < upgrdman> anyone know of a nice hot glue gun? seems like all of the "quality" ones are big, like for industrial use or big ass crafts. 2015-01-09T07:19:51 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000BYD4U/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 2015-01-09T07:19:54 < ReadError> got that a bit back 2015-01-09T07:20:00 < ReadError> works well, dual temp 2015-01-09T07:21:11 < upgrdman> that looks like a red version of a piece of shit that i have :) but mine has a different brand name. arrow iirc. 2015-01-09T07:21:58 < ReadError> you can shell out 200 for a nice 3m industrial 2015-01-09T07:22:00 < upgrdman> http://www.amazon.com/Surebonder-PRO2-100-100-Watt-Temperature-Industrial/dp/B006IY359K/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1420780900&sr=8-6&keywords=hot+glue+gun ... 100W. that might be enough. 2015-01-09T07:22:16 < upgrdman> there was a 250W model i found earlier too 2015-01-09T07:22:18 < dongs> heh yeah mine is ~!similar 2015-01-09T07:22:27 < dongs> arent teh sticks standard? 2015-01-09T07:22:37 < upgrdman> dongs, to which one? the one i linked? 2015-01-09T07:22:41 < dongs> any of htem 2015-01-09T07:22:43 < dongs> all the "small" ones 2015-01-09T07:22:47 < upgrdman> o ya 2015-01-09T07:23:07 < dongs> the stick is standard size, so youre stuck with either hobby/small shit orpay for a big pro one wihich probly needs a special sized gluestick 2015-01-09T07:25:46 < ReadError> well theres 2 diff 'consumer' size 2015-01-09T07:29:03 < ReadError> the little ones suck 2015-01-09T07:29:12 < ReadError> you gotta keep pumping the trigger to get a good flow goin 2015-01-09T07:30:19 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Install-Bay-HMGS-Black-10-Inch/dp/B0058TX64U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_op_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0FTNRQ43K9JBJA2ADAEC 2015-01-09T07:30:57 < ReadError> that would be nice to have, looks a lot better than dried splooge on stuff 2015-01-09T07:32:29 < upgrdman> lol 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right after 2015-01-09T10:51:08 < jpa-> but when i program from openocd, i need to power cycle - not even pressing NRST reset button helps - it hangs in display driver initialization, waiting for PLL to lock 2015-01-09T10:51:15 < jpa-> i just wonder what the ride7 can do differently 2015-01-09T10:51:23 < jpa-> (same image) 2015-01-09T10:51:55 < zyp> uh 2015-01-09T10:52:05 < zyp> why would it hang waiting for the PLL? 2015-01-09T10:53:00 < jpa-> it's the display driver PLL, on separate chip.. so probably either it fails to reset it (done via GPIO by the code) or FSMC is somehow messed up after programming and it can't communicate 2015-01-09T10:59:25 < zyp> I see 2015-01-09T10:59:36 < zyp> does openocd do a full chip reset? 2015-01-09T11:00:23 < zyp> well, not sure why NRST won't recover from that 2015-01-09T11:02:16 < jpa-> openocd doesn't support NRST reset with rlink, so it does SYSRESETREQ 2015-01-09T11:02:27 < jpa-> but yeah, the hardware button ought to fix anything 2015-01-09T11:04:50 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2015-01-09T11:05:09 < zyp> SYSRESETREQ does a full chip reset 2015-01-09T11:05:19 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T11:05:27 < zyp> IIRC it'll even pulse NRST 2015-01-09T11:11:49 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T11:11:52 < jpa-> ah, good 2015-01-09T11:12:13 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-09T11:12:43 < jpa-> hmm, looks like ride7 uses the rlink in swd mode by default, while openocd does jtag; but NTRST, TMS, TCK, TDI, TDO are all dedicated for jtag connector anyway 2015-01-09T11:12:56 < jpa-> will try ride7 in jtag mode after lunch 2015-01-09T11:13:12 < zyp> sounds weird that that'll even matter 2015-01-09T11:13:48 < jpa-> well, if NTRST wasn't dedicated it would reserve one GPIO; but that's not the case atleast 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pins 2015-01-09T11:59:56 < jpa-> one of which is the command/data control line of the display driver 2015-01-09T12:00:43 < zyp> :) 2015-01-09T12:01:37 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-145-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-09T12:04:31 < jpa-> yeah, works perfectly now 2015-01-09T12:04:47 < jpa-> that damn idiot, always messing up my work :F 2015-01-09T12:06:20 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T12:06:26 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-3-140.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T12:20:44 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-09T12:25:54 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T12:26:08 -!- Hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-09T12:27:19 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T12:35:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/u6Pksy1.png going to do this 2015-01-09T12:40:49 < zyp> heh 2015-01-09T12:43:26 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< dongs> i'd have to ask, not sure why 2015-01-09T12:56:36 < zyp> yeah, last two batches arrived with boards sticking together two and two 2015-01-09T12:56:40 < dongs> oh 2015-01-09T12:56:48 < dongs> hmm 2015-01-09T12:56:50 < dongs> i'll check 2015-01-09T12:57:04 < dongs> oh, STOP breaking apart. 2015-01-09T12:57:11 < dongs> yeah, it should be like that. 2015-01-09T12:57:20 < dongs> does it bother? 2015-01-09T12:57:43 < zyp> not really, I just broke apart half the new batch in a matter of minutes 2015-01-09T12:57:46 < zyp> mostly curious 2015-01-09T12:58:20 < zyp> since three first batches arrived broken apart 2015-01-09T13:00:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T13:09:04 < zyp> dongs, are the pth parts soldered with selective wave soldering? 2015-01-09T13:09:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-169-3-140.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-09T13:09:51 < zyp> looks like the wave has been getting a bit too close to the board edge on some boards, leaving solder on the usb connector housing 2015-01-09T13:10:18 < zyp> mostly on the underside, but I found one board that's got solder inside the connector, preventing me from inserting the plug 2015-01-09T13:10:50 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-09T13:14:10 < zyp> but they've fixed the old usb connector fuckup 2015-01-09T13:14:31 < zyp> just went through half the batch flashing bootloaders, and they all powered up over usb 2015-01-09T13:14:45 < zyp> the one board with solder in the usb connector is the only problem I've found so far 2015-01-09T13:14:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-48-34.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T13:15:01 -!- Petomane [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-09T13:15:11 < zyp> and being that pretty much all defective boards of previous batches have been usb connector problems, that's 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[~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-09T18:29:49 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-09T18:38:11 < Laurenceb> http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6687271&cid=48775483 2015-01-09T18:38:12 < Laurenceb> lolld 2015-01-09T18:40:43 < jpa-> should that link work? 2015-01-09T18:42:18 < kakeman> should one care? 2015-01-09T18:46:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T18:49:51 < Laurenceb> one doesnt just /. beta 2015-01-09T18:50:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-31-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T18:51:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-09T19:03:38 < kakeman> qyx_: lpcs have usually PU or IA 2015-01-09T19:06:06 < qyx_> wut 2015-01-09T19:06:52 < kakeman> 02:22 < qyx_> kakeman: there is a pulldown, not pullup 2015-01-09T19:08:04 < qyx_> ah, misunderstood 2015-01-09T19:08:52 < kakeman> sometimes if no special funtion needed then free I2C pins with IA default state are useful with external PD resistor to keep external peripherals down during start up 2015-01-09T19:12:05 < kakeman> if non inverted ena 2015-01-09T19:20:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-31-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-09T19:40:30 -!- Luggi09 is now known as Lux 2015-01-09T19:41:47 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GWIhpoq1g 2015-01-09T19:51:10 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hubluwcqxhbntmps] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-09T20:06:24 < Steffanx> your camera needs better auto-focus KreAture_ 2015-01-09T20:06:38 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-09T20:06:41 < KreAture_> too close 2015-01-09T20:06:44 < KreAture_> and too dark 2015-01-09T20:06:56 < KreAture_> it's sharp at the end 2015-01-09T20:07:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-cdf270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T20:07:04 < KreAture_> It can actually focus up to 0mm 2015-01-09T20:08:51 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-c2f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T20:09:01 < Steffanx> did you ever finish your submarine? 2015-01-09T20:10:06 < Steffanx> (browsing your videos) 2015-01-09T20:11:58 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-09T20:12:08 < KreAture_> nah, but it's not given up 2015-01-09T20:12:14 < KreAture_> Just too much other stuff 2015-01-09T20:12:32 < KreAture_> I mostly did the ballast thing to demonstrate how I think it could be done 2015-01-09T20:12:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-cdf270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-09T20:12:39 < Steffanx> Will ask again.. 5 years from now. 2015-01-09T20:12:42 < KreAture_> :p 2015-01-09T20:16:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c2f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T20:18:17 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-c2f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 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quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-09T20:58:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T20:59:16 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T21:14:26 < jpa-> Tectu: ramtex is turning out to be your worst competitor! :P 2015-01-09T21:15:00 < Tectu> jpa-, I know. 2015-01-09T21:15:11 < Tectu> jpa-, after all I have several business clients who changed from ramtex to ugfx 2015-01-09T21:15:25 < jpa-> did they have good reasons to switch? 2015-01-09T21:15:45 < Tectu> let me check my notes 2015-01-09T21:16:33 < Steffanx> looking at that website they probably do a better job at giving information and fancy examples 2015-01-09T21:17:17 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:4d63:83ad:5f99:bd14] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T21:17:25 < jpa-> yeah, but never tried it so hard to be sure 2015-01-09T21:18:20 < Tectu> jpa-, clients mentioned that they were not satisfied with the support and the documentation from ramtex. They also mentioned that the API is somewhat weird and that it is just a dead project (I did not verify this) 2015-01-09T21:18:34 < Tectu> jpa-, also because uGFX has some features they needed that ramtex does not have. 2015-01-09T21:18:41 < jpa-> like which? 2015-01-09T21:18:42 < Tectu> ramtex has nice menu things. I should do that for uGFX as well 2015-01-09T21:19:41 < Tectu> jpa-, they wanted a complete "multi media ready framework" 2015-01-09T21:19:45 < Tectu> which ramtex obviously isn't 2015-01-09T21:19:57 < Tectu> jpa-, but as I mentioned earlier: I know that ramtex is pretty good 2015-01-09T21:20:01 -!- decimad2 is now known as decimad3 2015-01-09T21:20:06 < jpa-> ok 2015-01-09T21:21:30 < decimad3> Does it sound reasonable to implement a Tristate-Output by changing the pin-type for 'Z'-value? 2015-01-09T21:21:58 < jpa-> naturally 2015-01-09T21:22:13 < gxti> that's your only choice unless open-drain is sufficient for your application. 2015-01-09T21:22:36 < decimad3> I thought maybe there's hidden overhead changing the type that is not in relation... 2015-01-09T21:22:55 < decimad3> Feels like a 'hack' you know ;) 2015-01-09T21:23:18 < jpa-> decimad3: only problem is that it is not atomic 2015-01-09T21:23:33 < jpa-> so if you change the type from both interrupts and normal code, you need some synchronization 2015-01-09T21:24:12 < decimad3> I would obviously try to prevent that, yes... but if changing the type is as quick as changing the value, okay! thank you 2015-01-09T21:26:05 < Tectu> jpa-, when I remember correctly another clients reason was the custom rendering interface that ugfx provides for each widget 2015-01-09T21:26:18 < Tectu> jpa-, but I can't remember if ramtex has none at all or if it was limited as fuck 2015-01-09T21:26:25 < Tectu> too limited for the clients needs* 2015-01-09T21:26:55 < decimad3> Is 5pF a good value to assume for the parasitary capacitance of inputs? I'm trying to show how bad open drain with pull up really is... 2015-01-09T21:27:58 < jpa-> yeah, that is a typical value 2015-01-09T21:40:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-09T21:42:18 < Tectu> jpa-, some professional customer: 2015-01-09T21:42:21 < Tectu> 2015-01-09T21:42:22 < Tectu> what you found nice on the ramtex libs? 2015-01-09T21:42:22 < Tectu> nah, ramtex just seems to be the best alternative to ugfx 2015-01-09T21:42:22 < Tectu> i think you a wrong... "ugfx is the best alternative to ramtex" for sure 2015-01-09T21:42:23 < Tectu> 2015-01-09T21:48:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-09T21:50:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-09T21:53:15 < emeb> Meh LPC8xx 2015-01-09T21:53:50 < emeb> they're small and cheap, but programming them is kind of a PITA 2015-01-09T21:54:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T21:55:15 < Tectu> how comes? 2015-01-09T21:56:41 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.236] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T21:58:31 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T21:58:34 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:00:07 < emeb> openocd doesn't support them 2015-01-09T22:00:13 < PaulFertser> emeb: oh yes it does 2015-01-09T22:00:17 < PaulFertser> In current git. 2015-01-09T22:00:26 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:00:47 < emeb> hmm... I was browsing the 0.8.0 git and didn't see any of the required scripts 2015-01-09T22:01:07 < PaulFertser> The support was present there for more than a year actually. 2015-01-09T22:01:11 < karlp> 0.8 is archaic by current standards :( 2015-01-09T22:01:18 < PaulFertser> Yes, just configs are lacking, that's true. 2015-01-09T22:01:20 < emeb> *sigh* 2015-01-09T22:01:40 < PaulFertser> LPC800 support was added Tue Jul 16 15:54:17 2013 2015-01-09T22:01:44 < karlp> openocd releases are like debian stable. It's stable, but it probably doesn't do anything you actually want to do. 2015-01-09T22:01:55 < emeb> so, it supports them, but you still have fiddle around and make your own scripts. 2015-01-09T22:02:22 < emeb> of course the people who added the support couldn't upstream their scripts... 2015-01-09T22:02:23 < PaulFertser> I think 0.8.0 supports lpc800 actually. 2015-01-09T22:03:26 < emeb> LPC8xx has a serial bootloader 2015-01-09T22:03:31 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-09T22:03:52 < emeb> most of the stuff out on the lazyweb is based on using that, not SWD. 2015-01-09T22:04:35 < emeb> there's one app for Win that can drive it - FlashMagic, but it doesn't work half the time (esp w/ FTDI serial dongles) 2015-01-09T22:05:39 < emeb> there's source for *nix/OS X/BSD called lpc21isp that will talk to LPC8xx, but it only works once and then requires a power cycle on the target. 2015-01-09T22:07:29 < PaulFertser> emeb: 0.8.0 has the support, just use lpc800 flash variant in the config. 2015-01-09T22:07:41 < emeb> PaulFertser: thx 2015-01-09T22:08:17 < emeb> for future reference what entrails must one examine to find out what's supported? 2015-01-09T22:08:26 < emeb> obviously I was doin' it rong. 2015-01-09T22:08:36 < Steffanx> ask in #openocd or ask PaulFertser ;) 2015-01-09T22:08:44 < emeb> right 2015-01-09T22:08:53 < Steffanx> never ever try to findout something oyu need to know about openocd yourself. 2015-01-09T22:08:58 < emeb> not obvious to the casual observer 2015-01-09T22:09:21 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: or quick git grep -i or git log | grep -i 2015-01-09T22:09:50 < emeb> I though "Oh, if something is supported then there must be appropriate scripts in cpu or chip dirs" 2015-01-09T22:10:00 < emeb> bzzzt - wrong answer. 2015-01-09T22:10:39 < emeb> there aren't even nxp subdirs 2015-01-09T22:10:41 < PaulFertser> emeb: we're trying to have documentation up-to-date, it's a bug the current manual lacks lpc800 variant, thank you for reporting. 2015-01-09T22:10:53 < emeb> even though LPC stuff has been around for decades. 2015-01-09T22:11:26 < emeb> PaulFertser: thanks for helping! 2015-01-09T22:11:40 < emeb> not trying to be an ass... 2015-01-09T22:12:46 < PaulFertser> emeb: can you probably try it right now? I'll provide live assistance then. 2015-01-09T22:13:10 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:14:48 < emeb> PaulFertser: give me a few minutes - I tore my test rig apart. 2015-01-09T22:14:54 < PaulFertser> emeb: cool 2015-01-09T22:17:32 < PaulFertser> emeb: here're some scripts by Rickta59 https://gist.github.com/RickKimball/9009480 , they were made about the same time as 0.8.0, so it's likely you can use lpc8xx parts as is. 2015-01-09T22:19:18 < karlp> PaulFertser: this is a classic example of the docs being completely useless until you know to look in each of the target/cpu/itnerface directories. 2015-01-09T22:19:27 < karlp> http://openocd.sourceforge.net/doc/html/CPU-Configuration.html#CPU-Configuration is _useless_ for seeing what's supported and what's not 2015-01-09T22:20:19 < karlp> and oocd can be as pedantic as it wants and talk about cortex-m vs flash on the soc of the lpc810 or the stm32, but it's tedious pedantry as far as users re concerned 2015-01-09T22:21:23 < PaulFertser> karlp: eh? Target is cortex-m, no matter what flash controller is used. It might be unsupported altogether, but the target will still work fine for debugging. It's the case for e.g. psoc4, people flash it externally and then debug with openocd. 2015-01-09T22:22:27 < karlp> PaulFertser: like I said, that's just pedantry as far as a new user is concerned :) 2015-01-09T22:24:25 < PaulFertser> karlp: when I was rewriting README I hoped it would be more approachable. It lacks LPC800 mention currently, true, but that I consider to be a bug? 2015-01-09T22:31:25 < emeb> PaulFertser: so I've got an LPC822. I assume I just need to tweak the values in lpc812.cfg to match? 2015-01-09T22:33:07 < PaulFertser> emeb: right 2015-01-09T22:33:18 < emeb> not sure what the proper CPUTAPID 0x0bc11477 value should be though 2015-01-09T22:33:38 < emeb> any way to query that? 2015-01-09T22:34:29 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-09T22:34:53 < PaulFertser> emeb: just standard cortex-m0, 0x0bb11477 should be it. 2015-01-09T22:35:07 < emeb> OK - no change 2015-01-09T22:35:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d432ad.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:36:38 < PaulFertser> Unfortunately, lpc800 flash rom size can't be autodetected yet. For the other parts one fellow contributed a table based on pdf manuals. LPC was too cheap to provide some register to read out the flash size from the part itself. 2015-01-09T22:38:15 < emeb> PaulFertser: no prob - I know what that is 2015-01-09T22:38:39 < emeb> PaulFertser: so I've got scripts tweaked. What's best way to just detect a connect? 2015-01-09T22:38:55 < emeb> I don't have a bin to load in yet. 2015-01-09T22:39:45 < PaulFertser> emeb: just openocd -f ... -c "init; flash info 0; shutdown" 2015-01-09T22:40:07 < PaulFertser> If doesn't work, post the output of the same command with "-d3". 2015-01-09T22:40:33 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:40:40 < emeb> seems to have dumped some info on the 16 flash pages 2015-01-09T22:41:25 < PaulFertser> So if it seems reasonable, you should be good to go. 2015-01-09T22:41:29 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-09T22:41:35 < emeb> Yeah. 2015-01-09T22:41:43 < emeb> See if I can do a blinky... 2015-01-09T22:41:53 < emeb> thx for the help 2015-01-09T22:41:59 < PaulFertser> You can probably dump the existing code with "dump_image" and flash it back. 2015-01-09T22:43:40 < emeb> seems to have dumped something 2015-01-09T22:44:03 < emeb> this is a brand-new chip - strange that it had stuff in it. 2015-01-09T22:45:07 < PaulFertser> dump_image would work even without a flash driver, as flash is memory-mapped in hardware. 2015-01-09T22:45:13 < emeb> http://pastebin.com/tbPeSuz8 2015-01-09T22:46:07 < emeb> lunchtime - bbiaw 2015-01-09T22:46:22 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:49:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T22:49:20 < Lerg> Hello people! I just started playing with STM32F0 discovery board. I set up Eclipse with openocd on my Mac and I can run the blinking example. However I have two questions: when I run the code using the debug button, the execution stops at some breakpoint which I didn't set, stops like every iteration of the infinite loop. I had to check the "Don't stop at all breakpoints" menu option. Why? How do I make it normal? 2015-01-09T22:50:47 < Lerg> Second question: I would like to enable printf and see it it's output over the terminal, however I can't find how I should set up the usart for this. 2015-01-09T22:52:35 < PaulFertser> Lerg: I do not think the disco boards provides UART access, or does it? I thought it's only since STLink v2.1 which was introduced with Nucleo. 2015-01-09T22:53:12 < Lerg> I am pretty sure it does... 2015-01-09T22:53:23 < PaulFertser> Lerg: regarding your first question, I can't really tell, last time I tried Eclipse it worked as expected, and I prefer using plain openocd + plain gdb where I understand what's happening. 2015-01-09T22:55:18 < Lerg> Maybe you right about the usart - I might need to buy a USB-Serial adapter to make it work. 2015-01-09T22:55:41 < PaulFertser> Lerg: either that, or just use ARM semihosting. 2015-01-09T22:55:52 < PaulFertser> Or ITM tracing, but that's harder to get working. 2015-01-09T22:56:03 < PaulFertser> While the semihosting is trivial. 2015-01-09T22:56:10 < Lerg> What exactly is ARM semihosting? 2015-01-09T22:56:28 < bvernoux> Lerg: is a debug through JTAG 2015-01-09T22:56:33 < bvernoux> with breakpoint 2015-01-09T22:56:35 < PaulFertser> Lerg: you link with -lrdimon and then use "arm semihosting enable" in OpenOCD config, and that's it, you get your printf output in OpenOCD. 2015-01-09T22:56:37 < bvernoux> very nice 2015-01-09T22:56:49 < bvernoux> tested it with EMBlocks 2015-01-09T22:56:56 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: disco boards use SWD, and also F0 doesn't support jtag anyway. 2015-01-09T22:57:02 < bvernoux> EmBlocks is a must have to replace Eclipse 2015-01-09T22:57:16 < bvernoux> yes SWD or JTAG is same for semi hosting 2015-01-09T22:57:22 < PaulFertser> Yes. 2015-01-09T22:57:22 < bvernoux> personally i use it with SWD 2015-01-09T22:57:28 < bvernoux> on STM32F405 2015-01-09T22:57:46 < bvernoux> very good to display crash log too for example with ultra small code 2015-01-09T22:57:51 < Lerg> EmBlocks website down? 2015-01-09T22:58:11 < bvernoux> if some are interested see my code 2015-01-09T22:58:12 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/hydrafw/blob/master/common/fault_handler.c 2015-01-09T22:58:19 < bvernoux> and 2015-01-09T22:58:19 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/hydrafw/blob/master/common/fault_handler_asm.s 2015-01-09T22:58:32 < PaulFertser> Lerg: just use plain gdb for starters, then you'll be able to understand what's happening with Eclipse or whatever other gdb frontend. 2015-01-09T22:59:53 < bvernoux> anyway i'm impatient to test EmBlocks 3.0 2015-01-09T23:00:04 < bvernoux> but there is no deadline just a roadmap 2015-01-09T23:01:26 < bvernoux> for those interested in how to implement semihosting 2015-01-09T23:01:27 < bvernoux> args[0] = 1; 2015-01-09T23:01:27 < bvernoux> args[1] = (uint32_t)data; 2015-01-09T23:01:27 < bvernoux> args[2] = size; 2015-01-09T23:01:27 < bvernoux> asm( "mov r0, #5\n" 2015-01-09T23:01:29 < bvernoux> "mov r1, %0\n" 2015-01-09T23:01:31 < bvernoux> "bkpt 0x00AB" : : "r"(args) : "r0", "r1"); 2015-01-09T23:01:33 < bvernoux> it's ultra easy ;) 2015-01-09T23:01:53 < bvernoux> also SWV Debug is very nice too 2015-01-09T23:02:02 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: but why if you can just have rdimon do that for you, and support not only printf but also scanf and even fopen and friends? 2015-01-09T23:02:03 < bvernoux> using SWO feature 2015-01-09T23:02:25 < bvernoux> PaulFertser: because my version is probably 10 times smaller ;) 2015-01-09T23:02:37 < bvernoux> I prefer bare metal than using tons of library bloated ... 2015-01-09T23:02:55 < bvernoux> especially with scanf which is heavily buggy ... 2015-01-09T23:02:56 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD implements some limited functionality for ITM tracing with stlinkv2 only... 2015-01-09T23:03:48 < Steffanx> try to beat zyp: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/util/semihosting.h?h=scheduler_improvements 2015-01-09T23:05:04 < bvernoux> Steffanx: it's the same at end 2015-01-09T23:05:15 < bvernoux> check generated asm 2015-01-09T23:05:28 < bvernoux> especially with -O2 2015-01-09T23:06:12 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T23:10:46 < Lerg> When I run openocd it reports "stm32f0x.cpu: hardware has 4 breakpoints, 2 watchpoints", what are those breakpoints? 2015-01-09T23:11:16 < Roklobsta> bvernoux: you're here too! 2015-01-09T23:12:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.123.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-09T23:13:01 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-09T23:13:40 < bvernoux> Roklobsta: yes ;) 2015-01-09T23:14:08 < bvernoux> Lerg: it's HW Breakpoint 2015-01-09T23:14:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-09T23:14:27 < bvernoux> Lerg: Watchpoint are used to spy a change in memory read/write/exec ... 2015-01-09T23:20:50 < Lerg> I've got printf working using the semihosting 2015-01-09T23:23:18 < Roklobsta> is it slow? i used to do semihosting printf with TIDSP and JTAG about 15 years ago. useful, but slow. 2015-01-09T23:23:40 < Lerg> No idea, but it's enough 2015-01-09T23:23:59 < Roklobsta> it was good for reading and writing data from PC for testing. 2015-01-09T23:24:01 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-09T23:24:21 < Steffanx> its still kind of slow 2015-01-09T23:24:47 < bvernoux> Roklobsta: yes it's mainly for slow debug stuff 2015-01-09T23:28:51 < Lerg> Ok, "Skip all breakpoints" is not needed anymore. So when I hit debug it first pauses at start, then at main(), I believe I can make it run automatically using some openocd command? 2015-01-09T23:35:35 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@50.96.163.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-09T23:38:13 < Lerg> I've added "monitor resume" at the end of openocd commands, the program started execution right away as expected. However when I stop the debug session the chip doesn't halt anymore. Fixable? 2015-01-09T23:39:09 < Roklobsta> i just fired up my new stm32l1 discovery. that touch slider is nice. have any of you mucked with touch? 2015-01-09T23:39:52 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Day changed Sat Jan 10 2015 2015-01-10T00:03:14 < qyx_> nah, china connectors here 2015-01-10T00:03:17 < qyx_> they smell like.. china 2015-01-10T00:03:27 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/Ib6ccPx.jpg 2015-01-10T00:11:13 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Anything like this? 2015-01-10T00:26:02 < Roklobsta> you could use ofdm 2015-01-10T00:27:38 < qyx_> your approach is called mfsk, although the "clock band" is meh 2015-01-10T00:27:46 < qyx_> ofdm is overkill 2015-01-10T00:27:50 < Roklobsta> have look at this one FDMDV http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=2458 2015-01-10T00:28:07 < qyx_> simple fsk will do most of the time 2015-01-10T00:28:12 < Roklobsta> and http://n1su.com/fdmdv/ 2015-01-10T00:28:14 < bvernoux> Lerg: you can probably do that with STM32 integrated DAC/ADC too ;) 2015-01-10T00:28:26 < bvernoux> but will requires some HW modifications 2015-01-10T00:28:29 < Roklobsta> fdmdv is faster at the expense of more cpu use 2015-01-10T00:28:50 < Lerg> thanks 2015-01-10T00:30:08 < qyx_> fdmdv is for totally different usecases 2015-01-10T00:30:32 < qyx_> if you want faster communication, you can do qam or whatever 2015-01-10T00:30:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T00:30:58 < qyx_> and use all available bandwidth of a smarphone (assuming 96kHz sampling) 2015-01-10T00:31:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T00:31:33 < Lerg> speed is not critical, probably 8kbps 2015-01-10T00:33:31 < qyx_> maybe you could even feed manchester encoded stream directly to audio in/out 2015-01-10T00:33:41 < qyx_> without any complex modulations 2015-01-10T00:34:22 < qyx_> just keep in mind it is highpass filtered 2015-01-10T00:34:29 < Lerg> interesting, I will look into that 2015-01-10T00:36:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T00:36:36 < qyx_> also no need for adc/dac in this case, you could generate signals using spi 2015-01-10T00:36:48 < qyx_> and detector could probably be built with lpf & comparator 2015-01-10T00:37:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T00:37:55 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has left ##stm32 ["http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Is crt0 fine for flash based systems or should I use something else 2015-01-10T00:57:51 < Roklobsta> ? 2015-01-10T00:58:56 < Roklobsta> with the --specs argument i get build saying: exit.c:(.text.exit+0x2c)||undefined reference to `_exit'| 2015-01-10T00:59:34 < decimad3> define void _exit() { for(;;); } 2015-01-10T00:59:47 < decimad3> Or maybe a reset ;) 2015-01-10T01:02:38 < Roklobsta> decimad3: is this a normal way of dealing with exit()? 2015-01-10T01:03:29 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T01:04:32 < decimad3> well, it should usually not happen for standalone applications 2015-01-10T01:04:59 < decimad3> You decide what happens when your program finishes... 2015-01-10T01:05:02 < Roklobsta> ok so what are the correct build switches for the compiler and linker for stm32 M#? 2015-01-10T01:05:03 < Roklobsta> 3? 2015-01-10T01:05:23 < Roklobsta> ok, so... 2015-01-10T01:05:29 < decimad3> nosys.specs is not unusual to be used 2015-01-10T01:05:38 < decimad3> I do use it ;) 2015-01-10T01:05:40 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T01:05:49 < decimad3> But then it's only me ;) 2015-01-10T01:06:16 < Roklobsta> ok. there must be a pragma i can apply to main() to say this never returns. 2015-01-10T01:07:22 < decimad3> Will you be "embedding" a runtime environment with semihosting? 2015-01-10T01:08:37 < Roklobsta> no i just want to blink some lights! I'll make my own printf to spit data out the serial port at some point and use my cmos/ttl FTDI cable to look at that. 2015-01-10T01:09:26 < decimad3> then use nosys 2015-01-10T01:09:54 < decimad3> Spitting out text at ITM port 0 is easy enough 2015-01-10T01:10:39 < Roklobsta> what is the nosys thing anyway? 2015-01-10T01:10:45 < Roklobsta> i have never seen --specs before 2015-01-10T01:12:12 < decimad3> it changes which runtime libs are linked, if there are multiple version of something 2015-01-10T01:12:41 < decimad3> see http://pabigot.github.io/bspacm/newlib.html maybe 2015-01-10T01:16:04 < decimad3> then there's __attribute__ ((noreturn)) for functions, I wonder if that works or if error calls can bypass that 2015-01-10T01:17:28 < Roklobsta> according to http://www.cryptopp.com/wiki/ARM_Embedded_%28Bare_Metal%29 I have the swicthes right including the --spec 2015-01-10T01:18:01 < Roklobsta> ah yes i used noreturn ages ago for atmega 2015-01-10T01:18:45 < decimad3> but generally, what harm is nosys, it will include an implementation of _exit and some other calls, which will only fail if you happen to call printf and stuff 2015-01-10T01:19:35 < Roklobsta> ok i'll have to do some more homework on it 2015-01-10T01:20:15 < decimad3> those implementation will not even be linked in, since you don't reference them (beside _exit) 2015-01-10T01:20:23 < decimad3> so no harm at all 2015-01-10T01:33:00 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-10T01:43:57 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T02:01:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c2f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-10T02:09:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2015-01-10T02:10:01 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-10T02:10:07 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-10T02:11:44 < ds2> any Keil users know a way to compare compiler flags in 2 uvproj files? 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2015-01-10T02:56:11 < dongs> ds2: if you *really* want to make sure of something you can just add them to custom command line yourself.. 2015-01-10T02:57:40 < ds2> they don't diff well 2015-01-10T02:58:44 < dongs> rly? the settings are just in one place 2015-01-10T02:58:46 < dongs> works for me 2015-01-10T02:58:51 < dongs> what is the problem anyway? 2015-01-10T02:58:54 < ds2> too much cruft 2015-01-10T02:58:56 < dongs> there's so little settings 2015-01-10T02:59:17 < ds2> not sure...trying to figure out some oddness with 2 pieces of code (diff projects) 2015-01-10T02:59:23 < ds2> I'll just punt to someone else 2015-01-10T03:01:41 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-10T03:01:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T03:09:15 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-10T03:14:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-10T03:15:32 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T03:16:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T03:31:16 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-10T03:33:04 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T03:37:25 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-10T03:37:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-10T03:40:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T03:45:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-10T03:46:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T03:46:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-10T03:48:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T04:01:01 -!- R0b0t1` [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T04:04:13 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T04:14:41 -!- R0b0t1` [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T04:36:38 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-10T04:38:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T04:40:39 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d40e95.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T04:41:53 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d432ad.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T05:04:33 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T05:04:38 < dongs> zyp, wires arrived 2015-01-10T05:04:40 < dongs> look good 2015-01-10T05:09:39 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T05:10:31 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-10T05:25:24 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T05:32:47 -!- R0b0t1` is now known as R0b0t1 2015-01-10T05:33:10 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-10T05:34:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T05:34:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-10T05:38:42 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-10T05:39:01 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T05:43:27 < dongs> https://vine.co/v/OpTDuF3tihx holy shit I lol'd 2015-01-10T05:51:39 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-10T06:12:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-10T06:12:57 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-10T06:13:49 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T06:13:55 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T06:21:18 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T06:28:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T06:38:36 < zyp> dongs, paid shipping 2015-01-10T06:46:03 < emeb_mac> tha sky 2015-01-10T06:51:04 < dongs> cxool 2015-01-10T06:54:50 < upgrdman> tempted to format and dispose of a stack of old HDDs. is anything worth saving, other than the magnets? 2015-01-10T06:54:56 < dongs> zyp: gonna email you pix 2015-01-10T06:55:30 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: drill a hole in 'em, shitcan 'em. 2015-01-10T06:56:37 < dongs> finalyl assembled receiver board with R820T2 on it 2015-01-10T06:56:43 < dongs> time to make some test code 2015-01-10T06:56:46 < emeb_mac> kewl 2015-01-10T06:57:01 < emeb_mac> what's it driving? 2015-01-10T06:57:14 < dongs> just japtv demodulator. nothing interesting 2015-01-10T06:57:21 < emeb_mac> :P 2015-01-10T06:57:26 < dongs> usin' it like it was designed to be 2015-01-10T06:57:26 < dongs> huhu 2015-01-10T06:57:43 < zyp> looks nice 2015-01-10T06:57:45 < qyx_> boring 2015-01-10T06:58:03 < emeb_mac> would be awesomer if it was some hackaday crap 2015-01-10T06:58:13 < dongs> hackaday doesnt pay 2015-01-10T06:58:18 < dongs> i dont have blogads 2015-01-10T06:58:19 < emeb_mac> no shit 2015-01-10T06:59:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T07:36:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T07:56:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T08:00:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T08:06:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T08:30:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T08:49:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-10T08:49:21 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T09:00:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-10T09:17:57 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-10T09:48:51 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-10T10:13:30 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 2015-01-10T10:14:12 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T10:19:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-91ff70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T10:21:10 < dongs> http://techreport.com/news/27612/cherry-realkey-tech-promises-uber-responsive-ghost-free-keyboards 2015-01-10T10:21:14 < dongs> wut 2015-01-10T10:21:16 < dongs> lol. 2015-01-10T10:42:18 < PeterM_Mobile> I don't get that graph "explanation" 2015-01-10T10:42:47 < PeterM_Mobile> Wut is the correct terminology 2015-01-10T10:44:58 < dongs> no clue, but its analolg so its beter 2015-01-10T10:52:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-10T10:57:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T11:12:25 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@119.94.78.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-10T11:22:35 < dongs> holy shit 2015-01-10T11:22:45 < dongs> opensource R820T driver is an absolute clusterfuck to read 2015-01-10T11:23:01 < dongs> i wish teh fucking datasheet would just have fucking register reference i nit 2015-01-10T11:23:11 < Roklobsta> yeah, it was made using genetic algorithms 2015-01-10T11:23:29 < zyp> I thought that was business as usual, since you seem to think all opensource is horrible 2015-01-10T11:30:31 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@49.144.100.229] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T11:32:05 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T11:32:07 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T11:32:32 < dongs> well looks like i am reading back chip ID so i probably didnt fuck up too badly. 2015-01-10T11:32:34 < dongs> dinner time 2015-01-10T11:36:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-10T11:43:55 < Roklobsta> dinner? dongs where are you? 2015-01-10T11:46:44 < PaulFertser> Dongsland, obviously. Seeing dongs around himself all the freaking time, no wonder he's obsessed with them. 2015-01-10T11:47:02 < PaulFertser> Jews too, but I do not yet have a theory explaining that. 2015-01-10T11:48:35 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-10T11:51:03 -!- R0b0t1 [~R0b0t1@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-10T11:51:44 < PeterM_Mobile> Shitty ungrounded us butt plugs 2015-01-10T11:57:42 < dongs> i could say same about shitty europlugs 2015-01-10T11:57:52 < dongs> i got a laptop wiht that shit, it needs adapter, half the time adapter doenst make contact 2015-01-10T11:57:58 < dongs> so it runs out of battery and turns off 2015-01-10T11:59:46 < zyp> what europlugs? 2015-01-10T12:00:14 < zyp> the round pin power outlets? 2015-01-10T12:01:00 < zyp> your adapter is pretty shitty if it doesn't make contact 2015-01-10T12:02:30 < dongs> yea big circular thing w/2 poles 2015-01-10T12:02:36 < PeterM_Mobile> I quite like aus plugs - even though they can be ungrounded atleast they're always polarised.... 2015-01-10T12:02:36 < dongs> i m sure my adapter is shitty 2015-01-10T12:02:38 < dongs> but si is the plug 2015-01-10T12:03:13 < zyp> PeterM_Mobile, polarized plugs for AC sounds so weird 2015-01-10T12:03:56 < PeterM_Mobile> Active and neutral 2015-01-10T12:04:15 < PeterM_Mobile> So active always goes active 2015-01-10T12:05:00 < zyp> why would you need that? 2015-01-10T12:06:03 < PeterM_Mobile> So you can always fuse active? 2015-01-10T12:06:18 * PeterM_Mobile shrugs 2015-01-10T12:06:26 < PeterM_Mobile> I dunno 2015-01-10T12:07:02 < zyp> I don't really understand that argument 2015-01-10T12:07:22 < zyp> but then again I'm used to distribution systems without any neutral at all 2015-01-10T12:07:42 < zyp> most of norway is IT, only newer deployments are TN 2015-01-10T12:08:34 < zyp> in IT networks, both lines are «active» 2015-01-10T12:17:55 < PeterM_Mobile> zyp Say you get a device with an isolated power supply, the power supply fails pri>sec short, blows a fuse inside the device but the plug is non polarised so the sec is still live. Unlikely but possible. 2015-01-10T12:19:06 < PeterM_Mobile> I'm sure there are other good reasons too, which are more plausable but Idk 2015-01-10T12:19:22 < zyp> PeterM_Mobile, in 230V IT networks, both lines has nominally 135V to PE 2015-01-10T12:19:38 < PeterM_Mobile> 115 I hope 2015-01-10T12:19:43 < zyp> 135 2015-01-10T12:19:44 < PeterM_Mobile> But yes 2015-01-10T12:19:49 < PeterM_Mobile> Orly 2015-01-10T12:19:59 < zyp> yes, it's 230 / sqrt(3) 2015-01-10T12:20:09 < PeterM_Mobile> Ahhhh 2015-01-10T12:20:21 < zyp> since the ground point is in the middle of three phases 2015-01-10T12:20:25 < PeterM_Mobile> Yes 2015-01-10T12:20:44 < PeterM_Mobile> I didn't think at first 2015-01-10T12:20:45 < zyp> same reason 230V TN networks run with 400V phase-phase 2015-01-10T12:20:48 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T12:21:11 < PeterM_Mobile> Mmhm 2015-01-10T12:21:36 < PeterM_Mobile> I thought you were talkin some dodge us split phase shit 2015-01-10T12:21:40 < zyp> also, the problem you describe is something that's usually solved by RCDs, not fuses 2015-01-10T12:23:16 < zyp> after all, a RCD will trap a 30mA leakage to ground 2015-01-10T12:26:04 < PeterM_Mobile> Sure, but that needs rcds 2015-01-10T12:26:40 < zyp> yes, which is mandatory here 2015-01-10T12:27:03 < PeterM_Mobile> Do they have it retroactive mandatory too? 2015-01-10T12:27:13 < PeterM_Mobile> So old places must upgrade? 2015-01-10T12:27:17 < zyp> no 2015-01-10T12:27:38 < zyp> but all new stuff or upgrades must be 2015-01-10T12:29:05 < zyp> and it's not really a big deal since modern circuit breakers have built in RCDs 2015-01-10T12:31:31 < karlp> _can_ have built in rcds 2015-01-10T12:31:40 < zyp> yes 2015-01-10T12:31:49 < zyp> I'm talking about the ones actually used :p 2015-01-10T12:31:59 < karlp> they don't get used unless someone specified them or they're required by law 2015-01-10T12:32:12 < karlp> people put in the cheapest they can get away with in most cases 2015-01-10T12:32:16 < zyp> http://megaflis.no/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/0/4015081077656.jpg <- I mounted a ton of these when I worked as an electrician 2015-01-10T12:32:18 < PeterM_Mobile> I would still prefer not get that 30ma that's required to trip it though, jussayin 2015-01-10T12:32:26 < karlp> norway has extra money :) 2015-01-10T12:33:07 < karlp> it's certainly standard to install double wide circuit breakers for everything with RCBO just because they're available 2015-01-10T12:33:15 < karlp> certainly _not_ standard 2015-01-10T12:33:45 < zyp> double wide circuit breakers have been mandatory for even longer 2015-01-10T12:34:02 < karlp> maybe in norway :) 2015-01-10T12:34:13 < zyp> of course I'm talking about norway 2015-01-10T12:34:41 < karlp> I ws referring to you saying the problem is usually solved by RCDs.. 2015-01-10T12:35:48 < zyp> right 2015-01-10T12:36:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T12:36:12 < zyp> in that case I'm not sure how failing primary-secondary would blow a fuse 2015-01-10T12:37:10 < PeterM_Mobile> If main switch fails short 2015-01-10T12:37:51 < dongs> < zyp> http://megaflis.no/media/catalog/produc < i read that as megafails.no 2015-01-10T12:38:12 < zyp> probably is, random image from google image search 2015-01-10T12:38:31 < dongs> wow those look weird 2015-01-10T12:39:01 < zyp> in what way? 2015-01-10T12:39:01 < oz4ga> megafis !!! Thats MEGA FART in my language 2015-01-10T12:39:29 < zyp> oz4ga, in norwegian too 2015-01-10T12:39:41 < oz4ga> or totally crap 2015-01-10T12:40:35 < dongs> http://www.mitsubishielectric.co.jp/fa/products/lv_distri/lvc-breakers/img/14lp3nf_t001.jpg jap shit just looks like this 2015-01-10T12:40:39 < dongs> i.e. normal 2015-01-10T12:40:43 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T12:40:57 < zyp> doesn't look that different 2015-01-10T12:40:58 < dongs> also japs have never heard of RCD in outlets 2015-01-10T12:41:20 < zyp> norwegian high current shit looks like that one 2015-01-10T12:41:32 < zyp> i.e. industry 2015-01-10T12:42:08 < zyp> but the others are for individual circuits 2015-01-10T12:42:21 < zyp> http://www.elmo.no/bilder/sikringsskap_1c.jpg <- usually mounted on a rail like this, with a distribution rail mounted under 2015-01-10T12:46:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T12:47:12 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T13:04:50 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T13:05:40 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-10T13:24:09 < dongs> uint32_t bw; /* in MHz */ 2015-01-10T13:24:19 < dongs> you'd think this means 6mhz = 6 in there, right? 2015-01-10T13:24:24 < dongs> nope 2015-01-10T13:24:31 < dongs> it actually means " in Hz " 2015-01-10T13:24:40 < PeterM_Mobile> 6000000? 2015-01-10T13:24:45 < PeterM_Mobile> Wtf 2015-01-10T13:25:22 < dongs> still tracking the shit down, the code is just a complete fucking mess 2015-01-10T13:25:34 < dongs> top copyright said it was taken from lunix driver, i totally believe it 2015-01-10T13:25:43 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T13:25:50 < Roklobsta> why do you want to do R820T with an STM32? 2015-01-10T13:29:51 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T13:31:09 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T13:34:46 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T13:37:40 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-10T13:55:25 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-10T13:58:28 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T14:06:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-10T14:34:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-10T14:42:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T14:43:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-91ff70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-10T14:46:07 < Laurenceb__> grrrr 2015-01-10T14:46:24 < Laurenceb__> my Thesis has been made restricted access 2015-01-10T14:46:37 < Laurenceb__> no lolling at it for anyone 2015-01-10T14:47:33 < Steffanx> you can publish it.. right? 2015-01-10T14:47:44 < Steffanx> you are the author 2015-01-10T14:48:22 < Steffanx> or was it for some company that doesnt want to you to? 2015-01-10T14:48:42 < Steffanx> or was it so bad they dont want anyone to see it? P: 2015-01-10T14:49:18 < Steffanx> or.. 2015-01-10T14:49:53 -!- decimad2_ [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:4885:8aab:64c9:a035] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T14:51:05 < Laurenceb__> its owned by the university 2015-01-10T14:51:09 < Laurenceb__> so its not even my property :S 2015-01-10T14:51:40 < Steffanx> lol wut? What happened to your right as the author? Signed a contract you give away all of your rights? 2015-01-10T14:51:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-10T14:51:54 < Laurenceb__> yup 2015-01-10T14:52:31 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T14:52:55 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T14:53:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-10T14:53:43 < Steffanx> oh, yay 2015-01-10T14:53:49 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T14:55:39 < Steffanx> just accidentilly paste your username/password here 2015-01-10T14:56:51 < zyp> hunter2 2015-01-10T15:01:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:01:28 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:01:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@36.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:01:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@36.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-10T15:01:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:01:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T15:02:36 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:04:37 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T15:07:48 < rewolff1> Laurenceb_ : Where are you? Switzerland, IIRC. Don't you have a copyright law that resembles that of germany. In germany I'm told you cannot sign away your rights as an author..... 2015-01-10T15:08:00 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-10T15:08:04 < qyx_> there are two kind of rights 2015-01-10T15:08:56 < Steffanx> He's from UK land rewolff1 2015-01-10T15:08:59 < qyx_> you can always say you are the author but this doesn't disallow you to "exclusively license" your work to someone else 2015-01-10T15:10:05 < qyx_> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights 2015-01-10T15:11:33 < qyx_> and as this page says in UK moral rights = economic rights, so it is probably perfectly legal here 2015-01-10T15:11:49 < qyx_> we allso differentiate these two 2015-01-10T15:12:25 < PaulFertser> KreAture_Zzz: ping regarding Neato charging circuit, can I privmsg you? 2015-01-10T15:12:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:15:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:16:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-10T15:18:55 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:21:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:22:34 < rewolff1> Steffanx: then, I'm afraid it is possible to sign away your rights..... :-( 2015-01-10T15:23:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:24:11 < Laurenceb__> yeah it is 2015-01-10T15:24:16 -!- perillamint [~perillami@59.187.100.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-10T15:25:19 < Steffanx> so you shouldnt have done htat :P 2015-01-10T15:25:43 -!- perillamint [~perillami@59.187.100.132] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T15:36:59 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-10T15:50:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-10T15:55:02 < PeterM_Mobile> zyp I lolled much at ******* 2015-01-10T16:04:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T16:11:24 < Tectu> ping jpa- 2015-01-10T16:11:33 < jpa-> oh no 2015-01-10T16:11:34 < jpa-> a ping 2015-01-10T16:11:36 < jpa-> right to my irc 2015-01-10T16:11:47 < Steffanx> in public. 2015-01-10T16:11:51 < jpa-> and that 2015-01-10T16:12:04 < jpa-> but it's not nearly the worst thing that Tectu might do in public 2015-01-10T16:13:56 < Tectu> jpa-, can you please explain to Steffanx how to fix my sores 2015-01-10T16:14:49 < zyp> are they open? 2015-01-10T16:15:08 < Steffanx> closed. 2015-01-10T16:15:19 < Steffanx> I cant even get the sores to compile 2015-01-10T16:16:28 < jpa-> maybe they ares brokens 2015-01-10T16:16:48 < jpa-> post them here in public so we can all laugh 2015-01-10T16:17:42 < Steffanx> he would hate me forever 2015-01-10T16:17:53 < jpa-> tell him it was all my fault 2015-01-10T16:18:00 < jpa-> i'm way past his hate 2015-01-10T16:18:05 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/show/2944f74688 2015-01-10T16:18:57 < jpa-> how does it not work? 2015-01-10T16:19:16 < Tectu> I'm sorry, I should probably say that I was kidding the entire time. 2015-01-10T16:19:19 < Steffanx> you wrote that? 2015-01-10T16:19:25 < jpa-> and you know, just because a function is "inline", it doesn't mean you should obfuscate it 2015-01-10T16:19:33 < Tectu> Steffanx, yes, but it is just a modified version of the qgraphicsitem_cast from Qt 2015-01-10T16:19:50 < Tectu> jpa-, it is a 1:1 copy of qgraphicsitem_cast modified to my needs 2015-01-10T16:20:11 < jpa-> source stealer! 2015-01-10T16:20:35 < Tectu> especially if Qt commercial support tells you to do so 2015-01-10T16:20:49 < Steffanx> "modified to my needs" jpa- knows all about that i think 2015-01-10T16:20:56 < Tectu> LOL 2015-01-10T16:23:24 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T16:33:51 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T16:34:29 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-10T16:40:55 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T16:41:16 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-10T16:55:12 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T16:55:25 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-10T17:09:29 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-10T17:09:50 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T17:13:02 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-10T17:13:10 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-10T17:18:12 < PaulFertser> Have you guys seen stm32plus library and its USB support now? MSC, CDC-ACM, HID seem to be implemented. 2015-01-10T17:23:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T17:24:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T17:33:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T17:41:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T17:44:07 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T17:50:03 < dongs> very nice, 820T is succeeding hard 2015-01-10T17:50:17 < dongs> im getting C/N of like 40 where same shit with MXL tuner was ~24-25 at most 2015-01-10T17:51:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T18:00:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-10T18:05:06 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-10T18:08:42 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-10T18:12:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-10T18:15:35 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-10T18:16:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T18:19:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T18:22:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-10T18:32:40 < Laurenceb__> heh "Soresbin" 2015-01-10T18:33:09 < emeb> what's new Laurenceb_ 2015-01-10T18:33:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-10T18:33:38 < Laurenceb__> im filtering away 2015-01-10T18:34:13 < emeb> filtering what? 2015-01-10T18:34:25 < Laurenceb__> IMU data 2015-01-10T18:34:32 < emeb> kewl 2015-01-10T18:34:41 < emeb> kalman filter? :) 2015-01-10T18:34:45 < Laurenceb__> nah 2015-01-10T18:34:51 < Laurenceb__> kalman + complimentary 2015-01-10T18:35:12 < Laurenceb__> I'm trying to calculate the orientation of someone lying in the back of an ambulance 2015-01-10T18:35:25 < Laurenceb__> with only accelerometer and gyroscope (LSM330DL) 2015-01-10T18:35:53 < emeb> any joy? 2015-01-10T18:37:41 < emeb> I suppose that a reference IMU tied to the frame of the ambulance might be helpful, given all the accelerations / turns a vehicle will generate 2015-01-10T18:38:49 < Laurenceb__> yeah 2015-01-10T18:38:58 < Laurenceb__> i have a reference with a magnetometer 2015-01-10T18:39:10 < Laurenceb__> but i think i can do it with just lsm330dl 2015-01-10T18:39:22 < Laurenceb__> as there is centripetal accel as the ambulance turns 2015-01-10T18:39:59 < emeb> yup 2015-01-10T18:40:40 < Laurenceb__> why people laugh at trance: http://www.metrolyrics.com/gamemaster-lyrics-paul-oakenfold.html 2015-01-10T18:41:01 < emeb> heh - I know that tune. 2015-01-10T18:41:14 < emeb> always cringed when I heard those lyrics 2015-01-10T18:41:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-52-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T18:41:59 < emeb> I never thought that PO wrote them tho - seemed more like he sampled some sort of "daily affirmation" new-age neurolinguistic programming thing. 2015-01-10T18:47:31 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T18:49:49 < PaulFertser> emeb: pong 2015-01-10T18:51:25 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-87.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T18:58:09 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-10T19:07:27 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.139.235] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T19:09:22 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-10T19:09:52 < kakeman> new age shiet 2015-01-10T19:11:35 < kakeman> sounds like lady gaga m/v intros 2015-01-10T19:14:16 < _Sync_> o0 Laurenceb__ why would somebody want that 2015-01-10T19:14:55 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-10T19:16:26 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.139.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-10T19:28:58 < decimad2_> Hrmmm, I was just wondering... the ARM v7m manual shows the 32 bit encoding as 2 16 bit values, where the left one starts with values 16 bit instructions don't use (obviously)... On first read through I think I understood it being left as "upper halfword", but that cannot be, since this is little endian and the cpu would have to read ahead a halfword to see if the the instruction is 32 bit or not, right? 2015-01-10T19:31:45 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T19:46:23 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T19:47:45 < Laurenceb__> http://tinyurl.com/nhltpsn 2015-01-10T19:52:49 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T20:11:17 < Steffanx> lovely ear test Laurenceb__ 2015-01-10T20:11:53 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-10T20:17:38 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-87.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-10T20:24:57 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.135.149] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T20:37:29 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-10T20:38:23 < jpa-> decimad2_: don't think them as 32 bits, think it as two 16 bit words; 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People can fetch them for them self if they need it 2015-01-11T01:39:20 < Rickta59> that is what i'm trying to read out of it .. 2015-01-11T01:39:26 < Rickta59> no where did i have to register to download it 2015-01-11T01:39:37 < oz4ga> you don't 2015-01-11T01:39:42 < Rickta59> and it doesn't seem like there is any redistribution clause 2015-01-11T01:39:56 < Rickta59> it is part of that eclipse arm plugin now 2015-01-11T01:39:57 < oz4ga> you have to find it on st.com. That IS the trickey part 2015-01-11T01:40:17 < oz4ga> or get emblocks. it's in there to 2015-01-11T01:40:39 < Rickta59> so i guess if others are distributing and no one at st is whining it is fair game 2015-01-11T01:40:40 < oz4ga> no cube Bulls Shitt in EM::Blocks 2015-01-11T01:41:05 < oz4ga> they may have negotiated a license to do so 2015-01-11T01:41:19 < Rickta59> there is no license in the eclipse stuff 2015-01-11T01:41:28 < Rickta59> don't know about emblocks 2015-01-11T01:41:31 < gxti> from a strictly legal standpoint, 'no license' means you can't do anything 2015-01-11T01:41:48 < Rickta59> from a practical standpoint do you think they care? 2015-01-11T01:41:56 < gxti> not the tiniest bit 2015-01-11T01:42:01 < oz4ga> the publisher may have signed it. I would rerain from distributing the SPL 2015-01-11T01:42:32 < Rickta59> is that the voice of experience? or you are just being cautios oz4ga ? 2015-01-11T01:42:40 < Rickta59> cautious 2015-01-11T01:42:44 < oz4ga> the later 2015-01-11T01:43:28 < Rickta59> i was amazed to see those mini maple clones for like $5 now 2015-01-11T01:43:47 < oz4ga> I gotr mine for $4 :-P 2015-01-11T01:43:53 < Rickta59> or $4 2015-01-11T01:44:27 < Rickta59> do you think the chip on there is a reject? 2015-01-11T01:44:28 < oz4ga> yeah I lik the f103rb / cb 2015-01-11T01:44:48 < Rickta59> i've only tested a few things but those seemed to work 2015-01-11T01:44:51 < oz4ga> no it pirated gerbers 2015-01-11T01:45:07 < oz4ga> puirated and slave labour 2015-01-11T01:45:09 < Rickta59> i don't actually have a maple mini .. but one of the 64k ones 2015-01-11T01:45:13 < oz4ga> for out pleasure 2015-01-11T01:45:30 < oz4ga> the c8 then 2015-01-11T01:45:33 < Rickta59> yeah 2015-01-11T01:46:41 < oz4ga> try to put mbed and newlib (I need float for my project) then 64K is soon gone 2015-01-11T01:46:56 < Rickta59> yeah i'm not going to look at mbed 2015-01-11T01:47:29 < Rickta59> i was just surprised to see the SPL being included with the arm eclipse plugin 2015-01-11T01:48:09 < oz4ga> there is no much into mbed that you can't do your self w. spl. TIM is always trickey, but otherwise it's soon 8-16k wasted for parameter checking 2015-01-11T01:48:54 < Rickta59> i was just looking for a small controller to replace the avr stuff on my 3d printer 2015-01-11T01:49:06 < Rickta59> this seems like it would fit the bill 2015-01-11T01:49:14 < oz4ga> yes yes 2015-01-11T01:49:43 < oz4ga> aa cheapo C8 or a maple mini and you are almost there 2015-01-11T01:50:21 < oz4ga> must show you some ARM pr0n. My latest and greastes toy: 2015-01-11T01:51:16 < oz4ga> http://www.mikroe.com/mini/stm32/ 2015-01-11T01:51:27 < oz4ga> <3 <3 <3 2015-01-11T01:51:47 < oz4ga> a f415 w. 1M flash running @ 169MHz 2015-01-11T01:51:56 < oz4ga> 168 2015-01-11T01:53:22 < Rickta59> yikes $29 2015-01-11T01:53:34 < Rickta59> * at least from mouser 2015-01-11T01:53:47 < oz4ga> not if you get them from farnel or rs-online 2015-01-11T01:54:57 < oz4ga> you still get a long way w. that $4 mini. This is for a remote instrumentation project 2015-01-11T01:56:21 < Rickta59> it is neat though .. just not $4 : ) 2015-01-11T01:56:54 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-11T01:57:53 < oz4ga> next year mabybe 10$ ? from ali.... 2015-01-11T02:02:06 < oz4ga> If I could find some renaonable (price and quality) lowpower spread spectrum serial "gizmos", so I could save the uIP or LwIP part I just might squice my stuff into a $4 mini .... just haven't found them yet. need about 500m range 2015-01-11T02:05:25 < oz4ga> Rickta59: btw. did you look at the STM8's ? they may be even less costly compared to the 103C8? 2015-01-11T02:05:47 < Rickta59> i really don't want to look at non arm stuff 2015-01-11T02:06:17 < oz4ga> fair enough 2015-01-11T02:06:58 < qyx_> Rickta59: stm32f030f4p6 2015-01-11T02:07:27 < Rickta59> the 3d stuff really is happy with chips that have some hard math assist 2015-01-11T02:07:34 < oz4ga> a M0 2015-01-11T02:07:47 < qyx_> and avr does? 2015-01-11T02:07:49 < oz4ga> Rickta59: then you need a M4 2015-01-11T02:07:56 < Rickta59> no it doesn't 2015-01-11T02:08:08 < Rickta59> which is kind of silly as that seems to be what drives most of them 2015-01-11T02:08:10 < oz4ga> M3's don't have fpu 2015-01-11T02:08:16 < oz4ga> you need M4 for that 2015-01-11T02:08:19 < Rickta59> sure but it has hw mul/div 2015-01-11T02:08:24 < qyx_> if you want to go cheap and avr way, f0 is ok 2015-01-11T02:08:41 < Rickta59> i already have the stm32f103 in hand 2015-01-11T02:08:43 < qyx_> or stm32f401 starts at ~4 2015-01-11T02:08:47 < qyx_> ah 2015-01-11T02:08:58 < Rickta59> the whole module with connectors and xtal 2015-01-11T02:09:46 < oz4ga> qyx_: pse url to 401 @ ~4($) i hope ;) 2015-01-11T02:10:11 < qyx_> on farnell it is 4€ and it is not the cheapest one 2015-01-11T02:10:18 < oz4ga> but only fulll boards 2015-01-11T02:10:32 < qyx_> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&keywords=stm32f401ccu6 2015-01-11T02:11:13 < oz4ga> ok thats only a chip. thnaks but no thanks 2015-01-11T02:11:30 < qyx_> uhm board 2015-01-11T02:11:40 < qyx_> yes, thats a chip 2015-01-11T02:12:14 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261472191025 2015-01-11T02:12:18 < Rickta59> that is actually what i got 2015-01-11T02:12:36 < oz4ga> prefereably a board that fit into a dip socket. Just *plop* it in flash new sw when needed and be done 2015-01-11T02:13:13 < oz4ga> yes something like that 2015-01-11T02:13:38 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311248450407 that is probably a better deal if you don't mind the wait 2015-01-11T02:13:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-11T02:14:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T02:15:08 < oz4ga> Rickta59: yes that the one I got. I saved .99 by ordering from aliexpress. took 14 days to arive. even through xmas 2015-01-11T02:15:52 < Rickta59> the one thing i bought on aliexpress took like 50 days to get to me 2015-01-11T02:16:05 < Rickta59> i guess each vendor is different though 2015-01-11T02:16:26 < oz4ga> me pusher shiped next day 2015-01-11T02:17:56 < oz4ga> the has been ton and tons of c8 based board on sale for the last half year. must be some NOS somebody need to get rid off 2015-01-11T02:18:52 < oz4ga> the one in the picture is a baita board (a rip off company) mine seems to work ok 2015-01-11T02:20:06 < oz4ga> blinkeys, semi hosting hellow workld, spi send and recive and i2c target detect worked out of the box 2015-01-11T02:21:02 < oz4ga> I haven't tried my dual adc parallel sampling on it, but I guess it's fine 2015-01-11T02:21:24 < oz4ga> ..... don't know if the are 2 adc on the c8 btw 2015-01-11T02:21:33 < Rickta59> no just one i think 2015-01-11T02:21:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-11T02:22:18 < oz4ga> I do power measuirng hencve I go for the 103RB, the 205's or the 4x5's 2015-01-11T02:23:03 < oz4ga> I need to measure eihter voltagae and current concurrently or forward and reflected power also concurrently 2015-01-11T02:23:18 < Rickta59> actually i take that back .. it has 2 2015-01-11T02:24:27 < oz4ga> i was a bit surprised that you sad only one. AFAIR the C8 is ONLY the size of the flash and maybe the ram 2015-01-11T02:24:51 < Rickta59> same ram 20k 2015-01-11T02:25:01 < oz4ga> oki 2015-01-11T02:25:48 < oz4ga> bbl cheers 2015-01-11T02:26:03 < Rickta59> thanks for the advice 2015-01-11T02:26:25 < oz4ga> n.p. 2015-01-11T02:32:31 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-11T02:33:30 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKR3VvQXhlN0Jxb28/view?usp=sharing last part of my frugal pcb design 2015-01-11T02:34:18 < kakeman> I think I take few millimeters of designs in left and above because those are relativelly loose spaced 2015-01-11T02:34:56 < kakeman> that makes all the differenve 2015-01-11T02:34:57 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-11T02:36:32 < kakeman> I think putting stuff in small area multiplies used time 4times 2015-01-11T02:37:25 < qyx_> what the hell is that 2015-01-11T02:37:34 < qyx_> i would suggest turning off some layers 2015-01-11T02:37:52 < kakeman> but there is certain kind of zen when you mess with it for a week and one day all just finds place 2015-01-11T02:38:45 < qyx_> and what are the 74xx for 2015-01-11T02:38:59 < kakeman> those are flipflops 2015-01-11T02:39:10 < kakeman> low power 2015-01-11T02:39:36 < kakeman> when mcu goes to deep powerdown 2015-01-11T02:39:52 < kakeman> it keeps some states 2015-01-11T02:40:19 < qyx_> i kind of fear of that thing 2015-01-11T02:40:41 < kakeman> I fear of death when I draw this 2015-01-11T02:41:52 < qyx_> i would also fear of turning it on 2015-01-11T02:42:03 < kakeman> opamp will be set in such way that flyback pulse can pull down wakeup pin via diode 2015-01-11T02:42:11 < kakeman> when sleeping 2015-01-11T02:42:21 < qyx_> do you expect those single vias under the transformer to carry your 100A? 2015-01-11T02:42:34 < kakeman> another side of diode goes to rxd 2015-01-11T02:42:48 < kakeman> so data coming in wakes it up too 2015-01-11T02:43:07 < kakeman> 10A cont. 2015-01-11T02:43:15 < qyx_> so good luck with that 2015-01-11T02:43:32 < kakeman> oh those 2015-01-11T02:43:38 < kakeman> lets double 2015-01-11T02:43:45 < qyx_> also which partno is that 2015-01-11T02:43:49 < qyx_> the transformer 2015-01-11T02:43:51 < kakeman> and extra copper always when power stuff 2015-01-11T02:43:55 < qyx_> or core at least 2015-01-11T02:44:08 < kakeman> it's in the picture! 2015-01-11T02:44:15 < kakeman> wurth 2015-01-11T02:45:38 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKR3VvQXhlN0Jxb28/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-11T02:45:40 < kakeman> sorry 2015-01-11T02:45:46 < kakeman> http://fi.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Midcom-Wurth-Electronics/750312504/?qs=J4sk5G6CMwZVyezgowrZZw%3D%3D 2015-01-11T02:46:38 < KreAture_> coookie 2015-01-11T02:47:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-11T02:47:23 < qyx_> i am curious if that will work 2015-01-11T02:47:27 < qyx_> let me know then 2015-01-11T02:47:48 < kakeman> you need to wait hmm.. 2015-01-11T02:47:50 < kakeman> months 2015-01-11T02:48:00 < upgrdman> found this on reddit, but it's a circuit board: http://i.imgur.com/G8qFu8X.jpg what type of inductor is that in the lower-right corner? transformer? 2015-01-11T02:49:11 < qyx_> frog-core inductor 2015-01-11T02:49:34 < KreAture_> ferrite 2015-01-11T02:49:36 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-11T02:49:49 < KreAture_> +frog 2015-01-11T02:50:21 * KreAture_ wonders if frog has any diamagnetic propertys when not dried 2015-01-11T02:50:45 < qyx_> probably it caused excessive heating 2015-01-11T02:50:50 < kakeman> frog capacitor 100uF 2015-01-11T02:50:53 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-11T02:50:57 < KreAture_> no, 100 ribbits 2015-01-11T02:51:35 < KreAture_> a ribbit is equal to capacitance only by means of a fluxgate on paper 2015-01-11T02:51:42 < upgrdman> ya, it sure looks like ferrite, but why the two coils sharing a rod? transformer? 2015-01-11T02:52:00 < upgrdman> and if so, wouldn't a E or torrid be much more efficient? 2015-01-11T02:52:00 < KreAture_> alternative energy freaks keep blabbing on about those and I am sure it can translate the ribbits into capacitance 2015-01-11T02:54:08 < KreAture_> It's a very cheap way to make a insulating coil with extremely high saturation current 2015-01-11T02:54:23 < KreAture_> upgrdman a toroid has less saturation curent due to it being gapless 2015-01-11T02:54:35 < upgrdman> oooooooh 2015-01-11T02:55:22 < upgrdman> so for a given volume of inductor, the rod type will have a higher sat current, but lower inductance, right? 2015-01-11T02:55:33 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-11T02:57:05 < upgrdman> hmmm and it looks like the PCB is connecting to two inner legs of the inductors. 2015-01-11T02:57:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T02:57:17 < upgrdman> so its just an inductor but with two coils spaced apart 2015-01-11T02:58:10 < KreAture_> I think it will still have some coupling 2015-01-11T02:58:21 < KreAture_> long time since I did that kind of stuff 2015-01-11T02:58:28 < upgrdman> coupling to what? 2015-01-11T02:59:02 < qyx_> to each other 2015-01-11T02:59:05 < KreAture_> yep 2015-01-11T03:08:43 < upgrdman> creepy: http://imgur.com/a/Z5mEB 2015-01-11T03:14:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-11T03:15:20 < KreAture_> weir 2015-01-11T03:15:22 < KreAture_> d 2015-01-11T03:18:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T03:18:35 < kakeman> I wouldnt go without barrels 2015-01-11T03:21:00 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-01-11T03:21:10 < kakeman> that thing propably just scalps and burns as it doesnt have any barrel 2015-01-11T03:21:18 < Laurenceb__> if you suck at everything, you can still pwn at killing yourself 2015-01-11T03:21:54 < kakeman> who the hell actually kills him/herself 2015-01-11T03:23:57 < Laurenceb__> upgrdman link 2015-01-11T03:25:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-11T03:26:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T03:26:59 < kakeman> death comes anyhow when it's time 2015-01-11T03:27:15 < kakeman> *anyway 2015-01-11T03:28:40 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__: link to what? 2015-01-11T03:28:58 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/a/Z5mEB 2015-01-11T03:29:12 < upgrdman> oh nm, you were answering kake 2015-01-11T03:29:15 < upgrdman> ya 2015-01-11T03:30:58 < Laurenceb__> kakeman works in the same room? 2015-01-11T03:31:00 < upgrdman> not sure if anyone else in here has an anal disco, but they're working on a cross-platform app for it now. beta win/lin/osx is avail 2015-01-11T03:32:12 < Laurenceb__> what did I just read 2015-01-11T03:33:28 < kakeman> same room as? 2015-01-11T03:35:28 < kakeman> I have one room 2015-01-11T03:35:48 < upgrdman> analog discovery 2015-01-11T03:35:55 < upgrdman> anal disco 2015-01-11T03:36:19 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-11T03:37:56 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T03:39:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-11T03:39:29 < kakeman> Laurenceb__: what is that question if I work in same room? same room as? 2015-01-11T03:41:08 < kakeman> puzzles me 2015-01-11T03:44:12 < Laurenceb__> kakeman/upgrdman confusion 2015-01-11T03:51:24 * KreAture_ wires up his tiny oled 2015-01-11T03:52:12 < KreAture_> DD-160128FC-1A 2015-01-11T03:52:17 < KreAture_> Densitron display 2015-01-11T04:00:32 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-11T04:02:57 < KreAture_> I already made a breakout board for this display ages ago but did not have time to debug it and it was just "dead" 2015-01-11T04:03:13 < KreAture_> Today I had a chance to check and I had just made a simple mistake on a enable signal :) 2015-01-11T04:03:22 < KreAture_> or maby the new datasheet is just better, I dunno 2015-01-11T04:03:35 < KreAture_> we'll soon see 2015-01-11T04:03:37 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-11T04:05:32 < upgrdman> link to display? 2015-01-11T04:06:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-11T04:11:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T04:12:04 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d40b21.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T04:12:56 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d40958.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-11T04:16:18 < KreAture_> http://no.farnell.com/densitron/dd-160128fc-1a/display-oled-rgb-160x128/dp/1498857?ost=149-8857 2015-01-11T04:17:54 < KreAture_> man I just found the tag on the board 2015-01-11T04:17:57 < KreAture_> I made it in 2008! 2015-01-11T04:17:59 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-11T04:18:14 < KreAture_> 7 years 2015-01-11T04:18:15 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-11T04:20:35 < emeb_mac> ancient history 2015-01-11T04:21:38 < KreAture_> yeah 2015-01-11T04:21:43 < KreAture_> almost stone tools 2015-01-11T04:22:25 < KreAture_> Hmm 2015-01-11T04:22:34 < KreAture_> I must learn to put more than one ground pin on breakout boards 2015-01-11T04:22:53 < KreAture_> I'd like another for the oled drive voltage and another for my oscilloscope to look at stuff 2015-01-11T04:51:06 < KreAture_> wow 2015-01-11T04:51:13 < KreAture_> 16k is used fast on a stm32 2015-01-11T04:51:14 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-11T04:52:27 * KreAture_ adds removal and optimizing 2015-01-11T04:52:38 < KreAture_> 13.1k -> 8.3k 2015-01-11T04:52:40 < KreAture_> much better 2015-01-11T04:52:41 < KreAture_> phew 2015-01-11T05:00:19 < upgrdman> re: e and h field probes... h field probes are essentially coils of magnet wire, right? how is an e field probe made? 2015-01-11T05:07:33 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-11T05:18:19 < KreAture_> hall element ? 2015-01-11T05:18:29 < KreAture_> oh no 2015-01-11T05:18:33 * KreAture_ mixes em up 2015-01-11T05:19:04 < KreAture_> e measures a static potential I think 2015-01-11T05:21:30 < KreAture_> dang I mix this up 2015-01-11T05:21:31 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-11T05:21:58 < KreAture_> I was thinking of the third kind 2015-01-11T05:23:38 < KreAture_> e field is just a monopole antenna 2015-01-11T05:24:12 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-11T05:24:49 < upgrdman> what is the third kind? dc magnetic? 2015-01-11T05:25:48 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T05:25:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71105.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-11T05:26:22 < chickensk> hi, 2015-01-11T05:26:30 < chickensk> i have a problem with stm32 programming 2015-01-11T05:26:53 < chickensk> STM32F030 is on custom board, hand soldered tqfp64 2015-01-11T05:27:12 < chickensk> i checked every connection by continuity tester 2015-01-11T05:27:32 < chickensk> i checked every voltage and ground pin by measuring actual voltage 2015-01-11T05:28:18 < chickensk> i have stlinkv2 on F4DISCO, F429DISCO and STLINKv2 original package 2015-01-11T05:28:50 < chickensk> i checked signals from programmers, sometimes i do not have reset signal even if connected in windows7 on stlink utility 2015-01-11T05:29:09 < upgrdman> stink utility does not connect-under-reset by default 2015-01-11T05:29:20 < qyx_> and you don't need reset for programming 2015-01-11T05:29:22 < upgrdman> its a checkbox option. look through the menus, i don't recall exactly where 2015-01-11T05:29:24 < chickensk> upgrdman, hi, i switched that in menu 2015-01-11T05:29:28 < upgrdman> ok 2015-01-11T05:29:42 < qyx_> and whats the problem? 2015-01-11T05:29:55 < chickensk> i managed to somehow flash the mcu once 2015-01-11T05:30:08 < chickensk> some 20 times until that nothing, and from that time nothing as well 2015-01-11T05:30:14 < upgrdman> some (all?) stem LQFPs troll with "two" pin one markers. you sure the chip is in the right orientation? 2015-01-11T05:30:19 < chickensk> all 2015-01-11T05:30:27 < upgrdman> two markers as in a real one, and a molding artifact 2015-01-11T05:30:44 < chickensk> yes that is fail 2015-01-11T05:31:00 < qyx_> chickensk: you did mess with alternate function configuration? 2015-01-11T05:31:00 < chickensk> but as i managed to program the mcu once, and the led blink simple program works 2015-01-11T05:31:06 < qyx_> dodn't you disable your swd? 2015-01-11T05:31:20 < qyx_> in this case you need to connect under reset 2015-01-11T05:31:36 < chickensk> i connected under reset most of the testing 2015-01-11T05:31:45 < chickensk> i am used to this from avr 2015-01-11T05:32:10 < chickensk> i measured longer traces on the pcb, that is only thing that i can imagine problematic 2015-01-11T05:32:16 < chickensk> it is 12pF between them 2015-01-11T05:32:31 < qyx_> what do your program do besides flashning single led 2015-01-11T05:32:38 < chickensk> only that one led 2015-01-11T05:32:59 < chickensk> testing one 2015-01-11T05:33:03 < upgrdman> might help if you take a clear, high-res photo of your board, programmer and wiring. maybe something simple is wrong. 2015-01-11T05:33:08 < qyx_> yep, photo 2015-01-11T05:33:10 < qyx_> and schematic 2015-01-11T05:33:44 < chickensk> ok i will try, i disconnected everything now as i measured everything once again 2015-01-11T05:34:07 < qyx_> also, what happens if you put your mcu to bootloader mode and try to flash? 2015-01-11T05:34:27 < qyx_> (reset with boot0 puled down) 2015-01-11T05:35:03 < chickensk> i am now unable to test that because i have "reworked" all pins and those programming ones got broken by my mistake.... :/ 2015-01-11T05:35:20 < chickensk> boot0 was pulled down by 15k resistor 2015-01-11T05:35:32 < chickensk> reset 15k up, but programmer should manage that 2015-01-11T05:35:47 < qyx_> wait 2015-01-11T05:35:56 < qyx_> i meant pulled high 2015-01-11T05:36:13 < qyx_> my mistake, pulldown is boot from flash 2015-01-11T05:36:21 < chickensk> which one? reset is high when operating, true? 2015-01-11T05:36:31 < upgrdman> reset != boot0 pin 2015-01-11T05:36:31 < chickensk> ant boot0 should be down when internal flash selecte 2015-01-11T05:36:32 < qyx_> boot0 during reset 2015-01-11T05:36:38 -!- djruffkutz [~djruffkut@ool-43563765.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T05:36:56 < qyx_> yep, i say that if you did some firmware fuckup, you can boot to rom bootloader 2015-01-11T05:37:06 < qyx_> like enabling watchdogs or similar 2015-01-11T05:37:13 < chickensk> no watchdogs 2015-01-11T05:37:32 < upgrdman> or just connect under reset, and verify nRST going low with your oscope. 2015-01-11T05:37:35 -!- djruffkutz [~djruffkut@ool-43563765.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-11T05:37:44 < qyx_> yep, either one works 2015-01-11T05:38:04 < chickensk> this is program from example just to test http://pastie.org/9824901 2015-01-11T05:38:15 < chickensk> which managed to get once to mcu 2015-01-11T05:38:48 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-11T05:38:56 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aa0fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T05:39:08 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T05:39:11 < chickensk> i have 16MHz crystal connected 2015-01-11T05:39:17 < chickensk> i will try to send schematic 2015-01-11T05:39:31 < chickensk> nrst seems to be low all the time, i have logic analyzer only 2015-01-11T05:39:38 < chickensk> but i can tie it down 2015-01-11T05:43:00 < upgrdman> if nrst is low, the chip is in reset. 2015-01-11T05:43:06 < upgrdman> if it's always down, something is fucked 2015-01-11T05:43:23 < upgrdman> check power rails, etc. 2015-01-11T05:44:30 < chickensk> what always low reset is sign off? i am going to measure that 2015-01-11T05:45:28 < upgrdman> sign of something being fucked 2015-01-11T05:45:37 < chickensk> ok :D going to measure that 2015-01-11T05:45:37 < upgrdman> check for excessive noise on vdd 2015-01-11T05:46:05 < upgrdman> or solder bridge, etc. 2015-01-11T05:46:32 < chickensk> ripple on vdd is 136mV peak 2015-01-11T05:46:40 < qyx_> huh 2015-01-11T05:46:41 < upgrdman> 3v3? 2015-01-11T05:46:44 < chickensk> y 2015-01-11T05:46:54 < qyx_> switching psu? 2015-01-11T05:46:57 < chickensk> yes 2015-01-11T05:46:57 < upgrdman> should be ok. resets at ~2v iirc 2015-01-11T05:47:12 < chickensk> usb hub powered 2015-01-11T05:47:26 < upgrdman> usb if 5v 2015-01-11T05:47:30 < upgrdman> s/if/is 2015-01-11T05:47:39 < chickensk> i have 1000uF before 3.3V stabiliser, that has 10uF and 1uF after 2015-01-11T05:47:52 < chickensk> 10uF before 2015-01-11T05:48:01 < qyx_> schematic 2015-01-11T05:48:06 < upgrdman> photo 2015-01-11T05:48:34 < chickensk> http://bit.ly/1BUjXcx 2015-01-11T05:48:47 < chickensk> photo of what exactly ? 2015-01-11T05:48:55 < upgrdman> everything. 2015-01-11T05:49:04 < upgrdman> might help if you take a clear, high-res photo of your board, programmer and wiring. maybe something simple is wrong. 2015-01-11T05:49:06 < chickensk> ok mmt 2015-01-11T05:49:42 < qyx_> and pls export schematic again in higher resolution 2015-01-11T05:49:49 < chickensk> as you see the schematic, that is not a simple board to see the fault, but maybe something around 2015-01-11T05:50:36 < qyx_> when you do a schematic like that, divide it into submodules 2015-01-11T05:50:42 < qyx_> it is totally unreadable 2015-01-11T05:50:56 < chickensk> i thought so, but that was only for me only for prototype 2015-01-11T05:51:19 < chickensk> reset is down even held high 2015-01-11T05:51:22 < chickensk> 0.02V 2015-01-11T05:51:40 < qyx_> if you disconnect your programmer, is shouldn't be 2015-01-11T05:51:40 < upgrdman> even if you disconnect your programmer? 2015-01-11T05:52:29 < chickensk> i disconnected, and it is 3.29V 2015-01-11T05:52:55 < chickensk> otherwise the chip draws 4.1mA 2015-01-11T05:53:12 < chickensk> has all filtering from example from datasheet 2015-01-11T05:54:14 < qyx_> i would kill myself if i had to work with this schematic :S 2015-01-11T05:54:25 < chickensk> i will rework that 2015-01-11T05:54:32 < chickensk> should i rework that for you? 2015-01-11T05:54:33 < qyx_> yep, i can see the cap, dip switch and resistor to something not easily identifiable 2015-01-11T05:54:43 < qyx_> probably vdd 2015-01-11T05:54:43 < chickensk> like remove unnecessary and what is not connected 2015-01-11T05:55:10 < chickensk> yes that is connected and working 2015-01-11T05:55:58 < qyx_> and now the photo 2015-01-11T05:56:07 < chickensk> making 2015-01-11T05:58:22 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-11T06:05:30 < chickensk> btw what for is the vdd connection on swd 6pin header ? 2015-01-11T06:06:01 < chickensk> qyx_, upgrdman, uploading photos 2015-01-11T06:08:26 < qyx_> to detect your io voltage 2015-01-11T06:09:44 < chickensk> that is what is displayed in console when uploading via openocd? 2015-01-11T06:11:04 < qyx_> wait wwhat 2015-01-11T06:11:30 < qyx_> you mean on discovery board? 2015-01-11T06:11:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-11T06:11:45 < chickensk> that 6pin connector yes 2015-01-11T06:12:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T06:12:43 < chickensk> i use linux, i tried console applications openocd, st-flash, and on virtualbox (virtual windows7) machine with official st utility which is the one case that worked (out of many under W7) 2015-01-11T06:12:47 < qyx_> see schematic, id does nothing as it is not connected 2015-01-11T06:13:15 < qyx_> openocd displays discovery board vdd 2015-01-11T06:13:27 < chickensk> okay 2015-01-11T06:13:48 < chickensk> now i have connected vdd from 6pin header to voltage probe 2pin header on the board 2015-01-11T06:13:52 < chickensk> as well the ground 2015-01-11T06:14:41 < qyx_> voltage probe? 2015-01-11T06:15:39 < chickensk> on the schematic up right, there are two jumper headers for current and voltage 2015-01-11T06:15:48 < qyx_> and what do you mean by "05:13 < chickensk> as well the ground" 2015-01-11T06:16:02 < chickensk> ground and vcc from board connected to swd ground and vcc 2015-01-11T06:16:12 < qyx_> O_o 2015-01-11T06:16:14 < chickensk> qyx_, upgrdman, photos here, http://bit.ly/1Kxr1SD 2015-01-11T06:16:21 < qyx_> and you didn't have gnd connected? 2015-01-11T06:16:42 < qyx_> did you connect anything between your board and f4 discovery besides sdwio/swclk? 2015-01-11T06:17:19 < chickensk> yes i had, and have now 2015-01-11T06:17:47 < chickensk> qyx_, i connect: reset, swclk, swdio, vcc, gnd 2015-01-11T06:21:53 < qyx_> ok, many things, long wires, no ground plane 2015-01-11T06:22:13 < qyx_> you need to connect at least swdio, swclk and gnd from stlink 2015-01-11T06:22:24 < chickensk> that is connected 2015-01-11T06:22:26 < qyx_> they have to be reasonably short and not connected to other sides of the board 2015-01-11T06:22:31 < qyx_> reasonably = ~20cm 2015-01-11T06:22:58 < chickensk> they are around 22cm 2015-01-11T06:23:12 < chickensk> or 18 i do not measured. 2015-01-11T06:23:39 < qyx_> and where are your decoupling caps? 2015-01-11T06:23:57 < chickensk> on the top of the board, connected thru the board, just behind the chip 2015-01-11T06:25:35 < qyx_> i see now 2015-01-11T06:26:29 < qyx_> also you are going thru half of the board with swd 2015-01-11T06:26:37 < qyx_> again without ground plane 2015-01-11T06:26:45 < chickensk> yes 2015-01-11T06:26:55 < chickensk> that is only two layer board 2015-01-11T06:27:03 < qyx_> this doesn't matter 2015-01-11T06:27:14 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-11T06:27:16 < qyx_> also if you are using ldo, 136mV ripple is too much 2015-01-11T06:27:16 < chickensk> ok 2015-01-11T06:27:28 < qyx_> you said previously that you are using smps 2015-01-11T06:27:35 < chickensk> hm i am going to measure again and post screen 2015-01-11T06:29:28 < qyx_> you have something wrong, the ripple shouldn't be even observable on 50mV/div scope 2015-01-11T06:31:29 < chickensk> same link as before 2015-01-11T06:31:35 < chickensk> ripple.png 2015-01-11T06:32:02 < chickensk> vertical is 100mV per division 2015-01-11T06:32:05 < qyx_> which one 2015-01-11T06:32:06 < chickensk> horizontal is 10uS 2015-01-11T06:32:21 < chickensk> sorry bit.ly/1Kxr1SD 2015-01-11T06:33:07 < qyx_> whats that thing, a sound card? 2015-01-11T06:33:21 < chickensk> bitscope 2015-01-11T06:33:31 < chickensk> 05 the cheapest one 2015-01-11T06:34:41 < qyx_> i probably cannot do more 2015-01-11T06:34:47 < qyx_> you should clear your board first 2015-01-11T06:34:53 < qyx_> also whats that jumper wire 2015-01-11T06:35:20 < qyx_> from pin 1 2015-01-11T06:35:38 < chickensk> that is forgotten connection on the board.... measured and working 2015-01-11T06:36:00 < chickensk> maybe i am going to do another more simple board only for chip and supply... 2015-01-11T06:36:17 < qyx_> are you really sure? 2015-01-11T06:36:43 < qyx_> ah yes, both vdd 2015-01-11T06:36:57 < chickensk> yes 2015-01-11T06:37:02 < chickensk> thank you for your time ! 2015-01-11T06:37:36 < qyx_> and use some flux for smd soldering 2015-01-11T06:37:41 < qyx_> gel preferably 2015-01-11T06:38:13 < chickensk> i look after that 2015-01-11T06:38:17 < qyx_> you should get at least this quality with hand soldering 2015-01-11T06:38:19 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/YGYmRA9.jpg 2015-01-11T06:39:10 < qyx_> also see the ground pour between parts 2015-01-11T06:39:15 < chickensk> is that done by hot air gun ? 2015-01-11T06:39:35 < qyx_> no, normal soldering iron 2015-01-11T06:39:48 < qyx_> only the qfn24 part was done with hot air 2015-01-11T06:39:51 < chickensk> wow 2015-01-11T06:40:03 < chickensk> how the gel works > 2015-01-11T06:40:05 < chickensk> ? 2015-01-11T06:40:25 < qyx_> just apply some amout on the pads, lay down your qfp 2015-01-11T06:40:43 < qyx_> and then drag solder over the whole row 2015-01-11T06:40:56 < qyx_> if it doesn't work, use more gel 2015-01-11T06:41:03 < qyx_> then clean with ipa 2015-01-11T06:41:37 < dongs> qyx, that does NOT look lead-free 2015-01-11T06:41:45 < dongs> you are FIRED 2015-01-11T06:41:59 < qyx_> it is prototype! 2015-01-11T06:42:16 < qyx_> leadfree is meh for hand soldering 2015-01-11T06:42:20 < chickensk> so the gel somewhat help the even distribution of the solder on the pads? 2015-01-11T06:42:48 < qyx_> yep, it also helps the solder to keep .. how is it called 2015-01-11T06:42:57 < chickensk> shine ? 2015-01-11T06:43:03 < qyx_> no 2015-01-11T06:43:09 < qyx_> surface tense or whatever 2015-01-11T06:43:18 < qyx_> tension 2015-01-11T06:43:19 < chickensk> ok, that is where shine comes from 2015-01-11T06:43:39 < chickensk> but yes, surface tension are] better words 2015-01-11T06:44:51 < chickensk> qyx_, thank you! 2015-01-11T06:45:30 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-11T06:54:44 < dongs> thats way more parts than I'd ever wanna manual solder 2015-01-11T06:57:39 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-48-34.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-11T07:02:29 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-48-34.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T07:04:31 < qyx_> beaky mode 2015-01-11T07:04:48 < qyx_> innovating my 4phase buck/boost minigrid bidirectional converter 2015-01-11T07:04:50 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/97hifoT.png 2015-01-11T07:05:33 < qyx_> i will see if there is enough resources on a single stm32 to drive it 2015-01-11T07:09:37 < upgrdman> does 2+ phases reduce ripple on the output? 2015-01-11T07:09:51 < upgrdman> hmmm i guess also easier on the source. 2015-01-11T07:10:28 < dongs> what the hell outputs those schematics 2015-01-11T07:10:50 < upgrdman> looks like dickle? 2015-01-11T07:10:55 < dongs> izit 2015-01-11T07:11:03 < dongs> all eagle scheamtics ive seen were nasty green on black shit 2015-01-11T07:11:30 < qyx_> eagle 2015-01-11T07:11:40 < qyx_> you just have to make settings more sane 2015-01-11T07:11:54 < upgrdman> how is qyx pronounced? quicks? 2015-01-11T07:13:24 < qyx_> yes 2015-01-11T07:13:58 < qyx_> it should reduce input and output ripple considerably 2015-01-11T07:14:14 < qyx_> maybe i wouldn't need all that caps 2015-01-11T07:14:22 < qyx_> those 2015-01-11T07:16:11 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-48-34.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-11T07:17:44 < dongs> ur a cap 2015-01-11T07:18:07 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-11T07:19:46 < qyx_> i want this http://www.gme.cz/img/cache/800x600/821/090/ark124a-2-obrazek-1.jpg 2015-01-11T07:19:49 < qyx_> for awg10/12 2015-01-11T07:19:54 < qyx_> no such thing :/ 2015-01-11T07:26:39 < upgrdman> old but good: http://i.imgur.com/nHAyrso.gif 2015-01-11T07:27:53 < qyx_> Fail. 2015-01-11T07:28:06 < qyx_> http://www.phoenixcontact.com.cn/local_content_images/cc_schraubanschluss_large.jpg 2015-01-11T07:28:17 < qyx_> this thing my heart wants 2015-01-11T07:49:29 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-137-83.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T08:01:37 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-137-83.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-11T08:03:31 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-11T08:04:00 -!- DanteA [~X@host-3-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T08:04:52 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: pong 2015-01-11T08:05:06 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: Hi! 2015-01-11T08:05:13 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: good morning :) 2015-01-11T08:05:24 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: heh - still Sat eve here... 2015-01-11T08:05:53 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: tried to load some code into my LPC822 later on Friday after you'd disappeared. Had some trouble. 2015-01-11T08:06:09 < emeb_mac> Seems like only the 1st 1kB page got programmed. 2015-01-11T08:06:13 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: sorry, had to sleep... 2015-01-11T08:06:23 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: happens. :) 2015-01-11T08:06:31 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-236-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T08:07:33 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: I know Rickta59 used that many times, and I assume it worked better for him. Can you please gather a -d3 log for an unsuccessful programming + verification so I can try to analyse it? 2015-01-11T08:07:57 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: sure - I'll see if I can do that now and pastebin it. 2015-01-11T08:11:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T08:11:30 * emeb fires up testing setup... 2015-01-11T08:18:21 < emeb> PaulFertser: this log is huge - how do you want it? 2015-01-11T08:21:02 < qyx_> ook modulated smoke 2015-01-11T08:21:51 < emeb> here's a Dropbox link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/openocd_lpc822_log.txt 2015-01-11T08:22:57 < emeb> qyx_: ever do anything with that QSD? 2015-01-11T08:23:30 < dongs> yo ucould have zipped it 2015-01-11T08:23:34 < qyx_> you mean that HF receiver? 2015-01-11T08:23:34 < dongs> to make it less hueg 2015-01-11T08:23:51 < emeb> qyx_: yeah 2015-01-11T08:23:52 < qyx_> emeb: i am going to send it to seeed soon 2015-01-11T08:23:58 < qyx_> not yet 2015-01-11T08:24:05 < emeb> nifty 2015-01-11T08:24:33 < emeb> I got some tunable LPFs from Digi-Key the other day. Need to make some boards for those. 2015-01-11T08:24:54 < emeb> 1-30MHz in 1MHz steps. Should be good to get rid of those image problems. 2015-01-11T08:25:45 < qyx_> hm, any links? 2015-01-11T08:26:06 < emeb> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADRF6510ACPZ-R7/ADRF6510ACPZ-R7CT-ND/2615959 2015-01-11T08:26:09 < emeb> not cheap 2015-01-11T08:26:56 < qyx_> O_o 2015-01-11T08:27:04 < qyx_> they have an eval board for 170€ 2015-01-11T08:27:48 < dongs> emeb: i made a japtv receiver w/that R820T2 thing and it is great, i have signal down to like -80dBm (-78 at modulator, probly a couple dB loss over cable) with zero BER 2015-01-11T08:28:00 < dongs> and -96 or something for mobile reception 2015-01-11T08:28:03 < emeb> dongs: kewl! 2015-01-11T08:28:28 < qyx_> also, 260mA at 5V 2015-01-11T08:28:43 < emeb> qyx_: yeah - it's a bit of a pig. 2015-01-11T08:29:13 < emeb> dongs: main problem I've seen with those wideband front ends is that they're very susceptible to strong interferers. 2015-01-11T08:30:08 < emeb> I've got a high-power public service radio (police, fire, etc) about 1/2mi away and when it keys up I can see crap in my R820T-based SDR setup. 2015-01-11T08:30:13 < emeb> no matter where it's tuned. 2015-01-11T08:31:12 < qyx_> call it a feature 2015-01-11T08:31:38 < dongs> emeb: haha 2015-01-11T08:32:12 < qyx_> but i have another toy to play with 2015-01-11T08:32:21 < emeb> whazzat? 2015-01-11T08:32:28 < qyx_> si446x board with saw and repurposed low-power CDMA LNA 2015-01-11T08:33:01 < qyx_> i should order some missing coils and try it 2015-01-11T08:33:17 < emeb> looks like a cute chip 2015-01-11T08:36:54 < PaulFertser> emeb: have you tried doing "reset halt" or "reset init" before "flash write_image"? 2015-01-11T08:37:27 < PaulFertser> Hm, it looks you have. 2015-01-11T08:38:01 < PaulFertser> I'll cross-check the log against the datasheet. 2015-01-11T08:39:43 < emeb> PaulFertser: there's a "reset halt" immediately prior to the flash write_image in my script. 2015-01-11T08:52:37 -!- DanteA [~X@host-3-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-11T08:59:00 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! 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pulled down w/ a 75ohm 2015-01-11T11:48:45 < ReadError> was wondering if i maybe need to attenuate them instead 2015-01-11T11:50:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-11T11:51:50 < dongs> ur doing it wrong 2015-01-11T11:52:56 < ReadError> which part 2015-01-11T11:57:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T11:58:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-11T12:00:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.94.99] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T12:03:32 < ReadError> hmm ya something isnt right, when i switch to the 4th chan my hsync count is jumping up like 15% 2015-01-11T12:04:51 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-35-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-11T12:12:19 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-11T12:12:35 < ReadError> hm now its working 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want to stab 2015-01-11T15:58:30 < PaulFertser> Yourself? 2015-01-11T15:58:36 < dongs> the Creator 2015-01-11T15:59:03 < PaulFertser> Ah, I hoped you integrated enough in the great Japan culture. 2015-01-11T16:02:06 < Tectu> dongs, like directions would matter these days 2015-01-11T16:02:22 < PaulFertser> Seriously speaking, using backward slashes as path separators for DOS was one of the seriously retarded choices. 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It is a disk laser, which I guess you would call solid state, but fiber and direct diode lasers are kind of claiming that name for themselves these days. The lasing medium is a neodymium yttrium aluminum garnet doped disk, of which there are four, one at each end of those glass cylinders. They are pumped by three diode modules each. The whole thing runs off of a 480 volt 60 amp 3 phase power drop, and it requires a h 2015-01-11T20:37:29 < upgrdman> uge external water chiller to provide cooling. The output is coupled to a surprisingly thin fiber optic cable, which is only as big around as my finger." 2015-01-11T20:41:40 < decimad2> These guys could very well destroy themselves if the coupling mirrors are misplaced, right? ;) 2015-01-11T20:41:40 < BrainDamage> looks CW 2015-01-11T20:41:46 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T20:42:01 < BrainDamage> the mirrors would get detroyed too if eg they get dirty 2015-01-11T20:43:27 < decimad2> Still need to develop my insect tracking laser though... 2015-01-11T20:46:26 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T20:48:29 < upgrdman> i also enjoyed that video of incinerating mosquitos via laser 2015-01-11T20:50:36 < chickensk> hi upgrdman, have you soldered fpc connectors by hand? what is the best way? they are from nylon, max peak temp 245C 2015-01-11T20:51:04 < upgrdman> i've soldered those hot-bar style LCD ribbons. 2015-01-11T20:51:23 < upgrdman> not sure what material though, looked like copper on kapton 2015-01-11T20:51:25 < chickensk> i hve 0.5mm FPC lcds here 2015-01-11T20:52:02 < chickensk> they should have connectors, so I am wondering how to solder them 2015-01-11T20:52:23 < upgrdman> chickensk, for example, i soldered this: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/first2layerPcb.jpg lcd ribbon on bottom photo 2015-01-11T20:53:00 < upgrdman> just normal soldering. ~320C, flux, pre-tinner board, reflow, done. 2015-01-11T20:53:15 < upgrdman> *pre-tinned the board 2015-01-11T20:54:28 < PaulFertser> chickensk: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2451/ 2015-01-11T20:55:37 < chickensk> upgrdman, nice work. and the mcu? how that was soldered? 2015-01-11T20:56:07 < upgrdman> paste, hot air, fixed a couple bridges with flux + iron 2015-01-11T20:56:22 < upgrdman> (because i have no paste stencil) 2015-01-11T20:56:30 < qyx_> PaulFertser: i would not delete the "target not found" message 2015-01-11T20:56:41 < chickensk> upgrdman, okay :] thanks 2015-01-11T20:56:50 < upgrdman> sure 2015-01-11T20:56:57 < qyx_> PaulFertser: aha, nvm, i didn't see the unexpected idcode 2015-01-11T21:09:40 -!- decimad2_ [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:30cb:4ce1:d4a9:c6ec] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T21:13:07 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:30cb:4ce1:d4a9:c6ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-11T21:22:38 < decimad2_> Hrmm: MOV LR, PC; BX r4; Wouldn't that put the address of the branching instruction into the link register? Or does it work because reading the PC returns "+4" (I wondered about that already) and both instructions are 2 byte wide? 2015-01-11T21:33:22 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-11T21:34:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T21:35:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-11T21:38:30 < decimad2_> Could the "dynamic" optimization of relative load and stores be considered an advantage of compiler-based development vs. assembler-based one during development? 2015-01-11T21:40:05 < decimad2_> I mean, changes is subsequent ASM-Code could make different instruction sequences in existant code preferrable 2015-01-11T21:42:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T21:46:39 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-cbcenynqhxgzdwyn] has quit [K-Lined] 2015-01-11T21:55:01 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T21:55:56 -!- thoquz [~thoquz@105-237-130-210.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-11T21:56:12 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T22:11:05 < qyx_> any idea how to do "remote" current sensing? 2015-01-11T22:11:32 < qyx_> is current sense resistor connected with 20cm of twisted pair going to work? 2015-01-11T22:12:08 < qyx_> without amplification 2015-01-11T22:12:49 < ReadError> throw an opamp on it? 2015-01-11T22:16:14 < qyx_> yes, but it will be on different board 2015-01-11T22:16:25 < qyx_> i do not want to fry my opamp on the same board (mounted directly on a heatsink with mosfets) 2015-01-11T22:16:27 < qyx_> i do not know if twisted pair or coax is better for that.. or if it is totally dubm idea 2015-01-11T22:22:03 < scrts> TP is fine as long as you balance the opamp input correctly 2015-01-11T22:22:19 < scrts> you'll you a designed current sensing chip or opamp+fet? 2015-01-11T22:23:47 < qyx_> probably just an opamp 2015-01-11T22:24:43 < qyx_> i will need to do low side sensing either way as most of current sense amplifiers do not support ~200V common mode voltage 2015-01-11T22:27:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-11T22:33:48 < Laurenceb_> hall sensor? 2015-01-11T22:34:04 < Laurenceb_> if you are measuring AC a current transformer could work 2015-01-11T22:36:53 < qyx_> no, dc 2015-01-11T22:45:02 -!- barthess1 is now known as barthess 2015-01-11T22:45:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-11T22:53:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T23:08:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-61ff70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T23:08:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-61ff70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-11T23:08:46 -!- debris` [debris@shells.ohai.su] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-11T23:12:55 < decimad2_> qyx_: what kind of currents are you talking about btw? 2015-01-11T23:13:24 < decimad2_> Or rather, which magnitudes are we talking :) 2015-01-11T23:19:46 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-11T23:27:29 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-11T23:36:58 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-236-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2015-01-11T23:37:33 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-236-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T23:47:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-11T23:48:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-11T23:52:35 < Fleck> qyx_: let me know what's your final design is, I am interested! 2015-01-11T23:59:36 -!- debris` [debris@shells.ohai.su] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Mon Jan 12 2015 2015-01-12T00:09:52 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-12T00:14:33 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T00:16:15 < KreAture_Zzz> hoy guys 2015-01-12T00:16:30 < KreAture_Zzz> one thing I have been wondering about... "Vector table relocation" 2015-01-12T00:16:36 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-12T00:16:48 < KreAture_> I seem to get much more hangs and bugs with it on in debugger 2015-01-12T00:16:59 < KreAture_> without it, and with a z chip I see no problems 2015-01-12T00:17:13 < KreAture_> is it usefull or should I just leave it off 2015-01-12T00:17:14 < KreAture_> ? 2015-01-12T00:19:20 < kakeman> day outside 2015-01-12T00:19:25 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-12T00:20:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-12T00:20:38 < kakeman> I like my beard and mustache 2015-01-12T00:20:59 < kakeman> those have a function 2015-01-12T00:21:43 < zyp> KreAture_, huh? 2015-01-12T00:22:11 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-12T00:22:39 < zyp> as a debugger option, you mean? 2015-01-12T00:32:49 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-12T00:34:00 < kakeman> KreAture_: are you a mustache man? 2015-01-12T00:34:15 < KreAture_> hell no 2015-01-12T00:34:31 < zyp> KreAture_, I'm having problems imagining what it even does 2015-01-12T00:34:41 < KreAture_> My brain has better things to do than balance a head that serves as a scaffold for supporting a teastrainer 2015-01-12T00:34:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-12T00:34:58 < KreAture_> zyp it apparantly relocates some vctor table into sram 2015-01-12T00:36:08 < zyp> vector table relocation usually refers to putting some addr into SCB_VTOR to use a vector table situated at a different location than whatever is aliased at 0x0 2015-01-12T00:36:13 < zyp> (usually start of flash) 2015-01-12T00:36:30 < zyp> but I don't see what a debugger has to do with that 2015-01-12T00:38:04 < KreAture_> there's no help associated with it either, and it is on by default on all projects 2015-01-12T00:38:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-12T00:38:55 < zyp> I find it hard to imagine that the debugger is forcing a relocation too 2015-01-12T00:39:21 < zyp> that means it'd have to allocate memory for it elsewhere, which means it'd have to take care to not step on other memory content 2015-01-12T00:40:49 < zyp> so it sounds more likely that it's an option you're supposed to check when your application is using vector relocation, maybe to aid debugging 2015-01-12T00:42:33 < zyp> but I'm not sure what that should achieve anyway 2015-01-12T00:42:41 < upgrdman> >_> http://i.imgur.com/3Njyt92.gif 2015-01-12T00:46:00 < KreAture_> well 2015-01-12T00:46:07 < KreAture_> I am trying to load a cube project into emblocks 2015-01-12T00:46:16 < KreAture_> finding all sorts of odd stuff 2015-01-12T00:46:30 < KreAture_> for example it defines STM32F030x4 but that is not valid in the cube stuff 2015-01-12T00:46:36 < KreAture_> STM32F030x6 seems to be the lowest 2015-01-12T00:46:50 < KreAture_> result is the hal starts bitching 2015-01-12T00:48:16 < KreAture_> really odd the cube code lacks this since I could select the right cpu in the setup of cube 2015-01-12T00:53:00 < KreAture_> odd 2015-01-12T00:53:14 < KreAture_> it seems to use the x6 files but setup mem for the x4 2015-01-12T00:54:41 < zyp> probably same thing, that number/letter is the memory size 2015-01-12T00:54:49 < zyp> so there's probably no other differences 2015-01-12T00:55:25 < zyp> oh, also, f0 being cortex-m0 doesn't support vector relocation 2015-01-12T00:55:55 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-12T01:10:30 < Roklobsta> what's a nice gdb gui debugger? or is there no such thing? 2015-01-12T01:11:21 < upgrdman> eclipse + embsysregview is very nice, but i mostly just use the cli 2015-01-12T01:11:50 < upgrdman> example: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/eclipse_embsys_debugging.jpg 2015-01-12T01:12:22 < upgrdman> my notes: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/ 2015-01-12T01:15:07 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T01:16:36 < Roklobsta> ok 2015-01-12T01:20:49 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-12T01:21:25 < upgrdman> zyp, what benefit does vector relocation provide? 2015-01-12T01:22:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T01:23:43 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-12T01:31:09 < zyp> upgrdman, it means that your vector table doesn't have to reside at the beginning of your flash 2015-01-12T01:31:49 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T01:32:04 < zyp> e.g. because you want to have a bootloader in front of your main binary 2015-01-12T01:34:14 < KreAture_> hmm, which section corresponds to the _sidata section in new hal drivers ? __preinit_array_start, __init_array_start or __fini_array_start 2015-01-12T01:34:18 < KreAture_> I am leaning to the first ? 2015-01-12T01:34:28 * KreAture_ really hates working with linker scripts and shit 2015-01-12T01:35:48 < zyp> neither 2015-01-12T01:36:01 < zyp> looks like _sidata is the LMA of .data 2015-01-12T01:36:09 < KreAture_> ??? 2015-01-12T01:36:17 < KreAture_> do I have to shave it ? 2015-01-12T01:36:26 < KreAture_> or does that only apply to yak's 2015-01-12T01:36:28 < zyp> I imagine it's supposed to mean start of initial .data 2015-01-12T01:37:18 < KreAture_> * start address for the initialization values of the .data section. 2015-01-12T01:37:18 < KreAture_> defined in linker script */ 2015-01-12T01:37:18 < KreAture_> .word _sidata 2015-01-12T01:37:27 < zyp> yeah, exactly 2015-01-12T01:37:50 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/startup/entry.cpp <- it's the same thing I call _data_rom in my code 2015-01-12T01:38:42 < KreAture_> I am using the original linker scrpt from em::blocks and it has nicer names on stuff, but I am still at a loss 2015-01-12T01:38:44 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-12T01:38:54 < zyp> you know how .data works? 2015-01-12T01:38:57 < KreAture_> _etext ? 2015-01-12T01:39:02 < KreAture_> yes partially 2015-01-12T01:39:07 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-12T01:39:10 < KreAture_> but as I said, I do not normally deal with this shit 2015-01-12T01:39:13 < KreAture_> it's someone elses problem 2015-01-12T01:39:17 < zyp> there's an image of the initial contents in flash, which has to be copied to sram during startup 2015-01-12T01:39:49 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T01:40:28 < zyp> and to do that, the startup code needs to know the start of the image, the start of the flash section, and how much to copy (in practice the end of either) 2015-01-12T01:40:59 < KreAture_> there we go 2015-01-12T01:41:10 < KreAture_> I added extra defines in the linker sctipt 2015-01-12T01:41:26 < KreAture_> whenever it came to the point of the correct def I added a extra shadow doe the new cube stuff 2015-01-12T01:41:31 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T01:41:42 < KreAture_> /* All data end */ 2015-01-12T01:41:42 < KreAture_> __data_end__ = .; 2015-01-12T01:41:42 < KreAture_> _edata = .; 2015-01-12T01:41:44 < KreAture_> like that 2015-01-12T01:41:48 < zyp> linker script and startup code should go hand in hand 2015-01-12T01:41:55 < KreAture_> after all, no extra defs in the linker file means no change of address 2015-01-12T01:41:55 < zyp> why are you mixing it? 2015-01-12T01:42:12 < KreAture_> because the cube does NOT provide a linker script for stm32f030 2015-01-12T01:42:34 < KreAture_> I think it puts it in the project file for ewarm 2015-01-12T01:42:47 < zyp> so what? all you need to do is use a script provided by cube or whatever shit you're using, and editing the memory size 2015-01-12T01:43:28 < zyp> porting a whole other linker script is pointless 2015-01-12T01:43:34 < KreAture_> as I said, I cannot find the xcript 2015-01-12T01:43:48 < KreAture_> I can only find the defs in the project file 2015-01-12T01:43:54 < KreAture_> I found no template either 2015-01-12T01:44:00 < zyp> heh 2015-01-12T01:44:30 * KreAture_ looks again 2015-01-12T01:44:47 < KreAture_> anyway, the scripts are mostly the same aren't they, just new names 2015-01-12T01:45:00 < zyp> yep 2015-01-12T01:45:29 < KreAture_> I've scanned all the files in the entire cube output for traces of "_sidata" and it is only mentioned in the startup and freertos demo file 2015-01-12T01:45:54 < KreAture_> doesn't appear to be provided by the cube for that target 2015-01-12T01:45:59 < KreAture_> for ewarm 2015-01-12T01:46:09 < KreAture_> maby if I had chosen a different project as output 2015-01-12T01:46:24 < KreAture_> (I didn't really care as I did not use the files anyway, it being ment for em::blocks) 2015-01-12T01:46:35 < zyp> oh well, I don't have much experience with shitty tools and libs, so I can't really help you out there 2015-01-12T01:46:41 < zyp> I tend to steer clear of those :p 2015-01-12T01:46:49 < KreAture_> so you use cube why ? 2015-01-12T01:46:51 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-12T01:46:55 < KreAture_> cube has aids... 2015-01-12T01:47:01 < KreAture_> anyway, it runns now 2015-01-12T01:47:02 < zyp> I don't use cube 2015-01-12T01:47:06 < KreAture_> it was just the init I was lacking 2015-01-12T01:47:07 < zyp> I use laks 2015-01-12T01:48:53 < Laurenceb_> Anonymous attack ISIS: this time terrorists get attacked by the 72 virgins 2015-01-12T01:49:44 < Steffanx> i wondered about that, no freedom of speech on the interwebs? 2015-01-12T01:49:46 < zyp> Laurenceb_, for once you actually said something funny 2015-01-12T01:50:09 < Laurenceb_> yeah also free speed irony 2015-01-12T01:50:10 < Steffanx> or falls attacking websites also under "freedom of speech" 2015-01-12T01:50:15 < Laurenceb_> erm speech lol 2015-01-12T01:50:20 < Laurenceb_> free speed is good too 2015-01-12T01:52:09 < Steffanx> are you always so mean mr zyp? 2015-01-12T01:52:37 < zyp> Steffanx, you tell me 2015-01-12T01:52:58 < zyp> also, that was a compliment 2015-01-12T01:52:59 < zyp> :p 2015-01-12T01:53:44 < Steffanx> ah yes 2015-01-12T01:57:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T02:00:39 < KreAture_> lol Laurenceb_ 2015-01-12T02:01:26 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-dnklfpkixvqbpvjf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T02:04:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.55] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T02:10:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-12T02:34:39 -!- decimad2_ [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:30cb:4ce1:d4a9:c6ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T02:42:14 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aa0fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T02:56:28 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-12T03:00:45 < dongs> http://maldivianapostates.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/screen-shot-2011-06-08-at-6-51-49-pm.png 2015-01-12T03:03:43 < dongs> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6633930/975ea0da/cow_gets_t_boned.html 2015-01-12T03:12:59 < PeterM_Mobile> That is probably fake, or that is a very young cow 2015-01-12T03:26:33 < Roklobsta> maybe the car had a bull bar 2015-01-12T03:30:59 < kakeman> cars are designed to somewhat withstand crash to large mammals 2015-01-12T03:34:00 < kakeman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8GM5ubWbQg maybe it is or it's not a design parameters varying by brand but certainly you need to test it with some crash test moose dummy 2015-01-12T03:34:20 < kakeman> *one of 2015-01-12T03:47:30 < KreAture_> Hmm 2015-01-12T03:47:43 < KreAture_> Code generated by cube does not activate it's timer for the pwm set up 2015-01-12T03:47:56 < KreAture_> and when attempted to activate it it crashes with int 2015-01-12T03:47:58 < KreAture_> very pdd 2015-01-12T03:48:00 < KreAture_> odd 2015-01-12T03:49:05 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-12T03:54:57 < KreAture_> seems to not start it, and not return the handle it created when initing it 2015-01-12T03:54:59 < KreAture_> very odd 2015-01-12T04:09:57 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d413be.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T04:11:43 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d40b21.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-12T04:40:55 < qyx_> ok, lets try libopencm3 as a preplacement for chibios hal 2015-01-12T04:42:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-12T04:43:12 < qyx_> lets see how will it take to get it working on L1 discovery, i just started 2015-01-12T04:43:15 < qyx_> *long 2015-01-12T04:44:25 < zyp> there's a #libopencm3 for it, btw 2015-01-12T04:46:19 < qyx_> i am not expecting any problems :P 2015-01-12T04:49:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T04:49:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-12T04:49:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T04:52:50 < Roklobsta> does anyone bother setting up the MMU at the start? 2015-01-12T04:53:00 < qyx_> mmu? 2015-01-12T04:53:08 < qyx_> which mcu? 2015-01-12T04:53:10 < Roklobsta> i have an st32l152 2015-01-12T04:53:17 < Roklobsta> the data sheet suggest doing it 2015-01-12T04:53:19 < qyx_> are you sure it has mmu? 2015-01-12T04:53:25 < dongs> uh 2015-01-12T04:53:31 < dongs> pretty sure l151 has not 2015-01-12T04:53:36 < dongs> and not even a mpu 2015-01-12T04:53:43 < qyx_> pretty sure no stm32 has 2015-01-12T04:53:54 < dongs> oh hm 151 does have mpu 2015-01-12T04:56:56 < zyp> no cortex-m has an mmu 2015-01-12T04:57:07 < zyp> that's the distinguishing thing about cortex-m 2015-01-12T05:01:12 < qyx_> meh, no rule to make target elf 2015-01-12T05:01:17 < qyx_> i don't even make 2015-01-12T05:08:16 < qyx_> ok, works 2015-01-12T05:08:25 < qyx_> 28mins 2015-01-12T05:10:06 < qyx_> pls 2015-01-12T05:16:56 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T05:17:16 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T05:23:14 < Roklobsta> hmm, where did i read mmu? 2015-01-12T05:26:39 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T05:27:43 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-12T05:27:43 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2015-01-12T05:31:07 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@49.144.100.229] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T05:31:08 -!- PeterM_Mobile [~Peter@49.144.100.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-12T05:36:21 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@49.144.100.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-12T05:36:30 < Roklobsta> musta been an arm doc 2015-01-12T05:36:59 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@49.144.100.229] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T05:40:40 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-12T05:40:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T05:41:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T05:41:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-12T05:41:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T05:50:21 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1421022733360.gif lol 2015-01-12T05:55:56 < emeb_mac> ouch 2015-01-12T06:05:04 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T06:05:26 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:06:35 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T06:06:54 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:08:29 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T06:08:50 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:10:43 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T06:11:45 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:37:19 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:50:22 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-12T06:55:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:57:03 -!- DanteA [~X@host-49-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T06:57:35 < emeb_mac> R2COM: we were testing a number of different ones - mostly forms of CDMA 2015-01-12T06:57:57 < dongs> qz8501 fdr found 2015-01-12T07:00:31 < emeb_mac> R2COM: neither - we were testing out some PAPR and DPD algorithms 2015-01-12T07:00:43 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-12T07:01:04 < zyp> it's kinda weird that stm32l052 and stm32l053 have separate RMs 2015-01-12T07:01:23 < zyp> and even still, the IDCODE is exactly the same in both 2015-01-12T07:01:29 < emeb_mac> weird 2015-01-12T07:01:38 < dongs> hackercode 2015-01-12T07:01:48 < zyp> I'm about to add support to blackmagic for it 2015-01-12T07:02:14 < zyp> hoping the only difference from l1 is the IDCODE 2015-01-12T07:02:38 < zyp> though, the IDCODE is even in a different location, so I'm not too optimistic :p 2015-01-12T07:03:04 < qyx_> helping opensores instead of sleeping 2015-01-12T07:03:47 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7H3G9TCYAAWj9J.jpg:large 2015-01-12T07:03:55 < zyp> eh, I need to be able to flash this l0 board I built 2015-01-12T07:04:12 < dongs> surely you can do it wiht proper tools 2015-01-12T07:04:18 < dongs> instead of clonermagic 2015-01-12T07:06:08 < qyx_> have they found blackboxes yet 2015-01-12T07:06:17 < dongs> < dongs> qz8501 fdr found 2015-01-12T07:06:30 < qyx_> missed that 2015-01-12T07:06:46 < dongs> soon we will get nice 3d rendered crash replay 2015-01-12T07:07:22 -!- DanteA [~X@host-49-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-12T07:11:25 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: hey. I have to go soon, but a quick question: are you sure your linker script is suitable for that target? 2015-01-12T07:11:46 < PaulFertser> Or have you tried flashing some binary (not elf file) manually? 2015-01-12T07:11:56 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: not sure - how would that affect it? 2015-01-12T07:12:16 < emeb_mac> haven't tried manual, but could try binary. 2015-01-12T07:12:31 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: linker script has a list of sections and physical addresses each should go. So if it's wrong, it'll try to write a section to an unsuitable address. 2015-01-12T07:12:41 < PaulFertser> And different parts have flash at different locations etc. 2015-01-12T07:12:55 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: I'll try bin > 1kB long 2015-01-12T07:15:35 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T07:18:46 < zyp> register map looks identical to l1, except for a few new bits and a few bits that doesn't exist anymore 2015-01-12T07:18:57 < zyp> which isn't used by flash writing 2015-01-12T07:19:48 < zyp> but the register block has a different base addr 2015-01-12T07:25:18 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: tried flash write_image with bin type - still failed. 2015-01-12T07:25:52 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T07:26:53 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: from your log it seems like there were two sections to be written in the elf, and the first was successful, the second got the target algorithm hanging. 2015-01-12T07:27:26 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: I wished I had more time right atm to investigate. If you can, please get me a -d3 log of flashing a binary, I'll take a look later. 2015-01-12T07:29:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-23-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T07:32:27 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: sure - thanks for trying 2015-01-12T07:41:07 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/534988323/line-simulator-2015-welcome-to-next-gen-gaming 2015-01-12T07:43:10 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-12T07:59:38 -!- elektrinis [~cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T08:08:29 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-12T08:10:14 -!- elektrinis [~cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-12T08:14:47 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T08:34:39 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T08:54:18 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T08:54:44 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T09:02:09 < zyp> I thought you liked shitty games 2015-01-12T09:05:07 < qyx_> no tim1 on L1 :/ 2015-01-12T09:06:17 < dongs> http://www.chic-pick.com/product/showproduct.php?lang=en&id=6 wow 2015-01-12T09:06:18 < dongs> innovation 2015-01-12T09:07:38 < qyx_> haha, miners gonna mine 2015-01-12T09:08:25 < dongs> http://www.chic-pick.com/upload/201402/1393132727.jpg 2015-01-12T09:08:32 < dongs> lolling 2015-01-12T09:11:09 < qyx_> thats not usb3 2015-01-12T09:11:10 < dongs> thats not USB3 2015-01-12T09:11:15 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-12T09:11:19 < dongs> hehe 2015-01-12T09:11:33 < jpa-> qyx_: what you mean no tim1? 2015-01-12T09:12:22 < qyx_> jpa-: either i am blind or theres no "advanced timer" on L1 2015-01-12T09:12:32 < dongs> http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/Hiper-Type-R-Mk-II-880W-Power-Supply-Review 2015-01-12T09:12:32 < qyx_> at least not in RM 2015-01-12T09:12:39 < dongs> thats a pretty cool power supply 2015-01-12T09:13:49 < jpa-> qyx_: huh, true; funny that i've never noticed that 2015-01-12T09:14:01 < zyp> I came to the same conclusion recently 2015-01-12T09:18:08 < qyx_> zyp: btw the toggle mode works perfectly 2015-01-12T09:18:41 < qyx_> generates nice phase shifted 50% duty waveforms 2015-01-12T09:18:45 < qyx_> with only one timer 2015-01-12T09:19:18 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T09:24:26 < zyp> oh, l0 have only half as large sectors as l1 2015-01-12T09:24:42 < zyp> so only even sectors got erased :p 2015-01-12T09:27:03 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: back 2015-01-12T09:27:36 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: lemme get that d3 dump for you... 2015-01-12T09:30:34 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-12T09:33:06 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/lpc822_write_bin_log.txt 2015-01-12T09:33:25 < emeb_mac> but bedtime now 2015-01-12T09:33:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-12T09:34:05 < Getty> oh dear, seeing an article on german amazon.... translated back would be: "Really Time Clock" 2015-01-12T09:34:48 < dongs> o'rly time clock 2015-01-12T09:34:53 < Getty> yeah ;) 2015-01-12T09:35:17 < Getty> its the next generation after the "for sure time clock" 2015-01-12T09:36:51 < PaulFertser> Damn, that's missing "reset halt" 2015-01-12T09:37:21 < Getty> dont you mean "start over stop"? ;-) 2015-01-12T09:47:24 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T09:52:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-236-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T09:58:38 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-149-184-208.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:00:03 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T10:03:44 -!- _franck__ [56c1eb86@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.193.235.134] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:13:44 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:13:50 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T10:14:35 < dongs> upgrdman: are you hireable yet for FPGA proj 2015-01-12T10:16:02 < Roklobsta> dongs you in melb or syd? 2015-01-12T10:16:08 < dongs> neither 2015-01-12T10:16:19 < dongs> im in GMT+9 2015-01-12T10:16:32 < Roklobsta> tokyo? 2015-01-12T10:16:52 < dongs> in that general direction, yes. 2015-01-12T10:17:08 < Roklobsta> or sg or hk ... 2015-01-12T10:17:09 < Roklobsta> ok 2015-01-12T10:17:10 < Roklobsta> nevermind 2015-01-12T10:17:39 < Roklobsta> or vladivostok. or pyongyang. 2015-01-12T10:17:51 < dongs> pyongyang, you fucking nailed it. 2015-01-12T10:18:07 < dongs> i'm the dude behind sony hax. 2015-01-12T10:18:42 < Roklobsta> i knew it. good thing i don't have any sony shite. 2015-01-12T10:29:43 < dongs> um 2015-01-12T10:29:55 < dongs> they ARE general purpose lcds. 2015-01-12T10:30:00 < dongs> with lvds/displayport/whatever interface 2015-01-12T10:39:29 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:44:45 < dongs> they just call them because thats what most idiots are searching for 2015-01-12T10:45:03 < dongs> but you can just as well buy the same panel direct from lcd manufacturer, if youre ordering like 10k at a time 2015-01-12T10:45:18 < zyp> yay, managed to get laks-based code running on l0 without crashing 2015-01-12T10:45:23 -!- edmont [~edmont@quagmire.cedint.upm.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:45:31 < zyp> by commenting out everything, leaving main like while() {} 2015-01-12T10:45:51 < zyp> and I still had to fix a lot of shit to even get to that point :p 2015-01-12T10:45:57 < dongs> blame C++ 2015-01-12T10:46:15 < zyp> not really 2015-01-12T10:46:30 < zyp> one thing I fixed was that silly stack initialization 2015-01-12T10:46:58 < zyp> once upon a time I hardcoded it to 20k, since that's how much ram f1 got 2015-01-12T10:47:28 < zyp> and I've never needed more ram or used a device with less until now, so I've left it there 2015-01-12T10:47:42 < dongs> haha 2015-01-12T10:48:37 < zyp> so I finally got over my lazyness and added one line to the linker script to make a symbol for the actual end of memory and one line to vector table to use that symbol instead of hardcoded value 2015-01-12T10:49:35 < zyp> so now I can get started on the fun stuff like getting the new clock shit running 2015-01-12T10:51:02 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-12T10:51:02 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:51:02 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-12T10:51:02 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T10:51:28 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-12T10:51:34 < zyp> max sysclock is 32 MHz 2015-01-12T10:51:46 < zyp> wonder how I'm supposed to generate that from HSI48 2015-01-12T10:52:21 < zyp> oh, I can't 2015-01-12T10:53:38 < zyp> HSI48 can only feed USB and MCO 2015-01-12T10:53:58 < dongs> multiple celocks!111 2015-01-12T10:54:04 < dongs> er, extra 'e' in there osmewhere 2015-01-12T10:54:12 < jpa-> those celocks! always celocking things! 2015-01-12T10:56:27 < zyp> hmm, I guess that means I'm stuck running the USART from HSI16 then 2015-01-12T10:56:54 < zyp> wonder if the precision of that would matter 2015-01-12T10:57:05 < zyp> probably not, HSI is not that bad, is it? 2015-01-12T10:59:37 < zyp> maybe one ought to hook MCO to HSE to feed it back in 2015-01-12T10:59:39 < zyp> :p 2015-01-12T11:00:30 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d413be.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-12T11:00:33 < qyx_> i was tempted to do the same using timer clockj 2015-01-12T11:10:20 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aa0fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:12:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:18:45 < zyp> hey, l0 can do usb and can at the same time 2015-01-12T11:18:56 < zyp> «When the CAN peripheral clock is enabled in the RCC_APB1ENR register, only the first 768 Bytes are available to USB while the last 256 Bytes are used by CAN.» 2015-01-12T11:19:02 < dongs> a,maze 2015-01-12T11:19:15 < qyx_> l0 has can? 2015-01-12T11:19:39 < zyp> good question 2015-01-12T11:19:44 < zyp> the answer is no 2015-01-12T11:19:51 < dongs> wuat 2015-01-12T11:19:52 < zyp> there's no CAN bit in APB1ENR 2015-01-12T11:20:03 < dongs> why is it in theRM then? 2015-01-12T11:20:11 < zyp> because they suck at copypasting 2015-01-12T11:20:13 < dongs> maybne its like F205 with ethernet shit actually there, just not officially 2015-01-12T11:20:22 -!- bgdwiepp [~Peter@49.144.100.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-12T11:20:35 < zyp> nah, they just forgot to remove that part from whatever they copied usb chapter from 2015-01-12T11:21:01 < zyp> so there's some other part out there with both can and usb, and a 1024B packet buffer, I guess 2015-01-12T11:29:54 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-12T11:30:17 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:31:52 < dongs> HEH 2015-01-12T11:33:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.11] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:39:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-23-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T11:43:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:44:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:47:55 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T11:49:28 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-12T11:49:40 < zyp> PLL doesn't seem to lock 2015-01-12T11:50:53 < zyp> oh, duh, I started HSE instead of HSI 2015-01-12T11:50:58 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T11:52:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T11:56:55 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI7tWd7B3iI 2015-01-12T11:57:21 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-12T11:57:40 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T12:01:37 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-12T12:08:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aa0fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-12T12:11:26 < dongs> qyx_: whats that qFP24 ethernet phy you wre using 2015-01-12T12:11:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-87-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T12:14:28 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.220.85] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T12:14:33 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.220.85] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-12T12:14:33 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T12:26:12 < zyp> hey, didn't somebody claim that the buffer layout for usb on f0/l0 were different from f1/f3? 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2015-01-12T13:06:12 < dongs> i thought only 407 did.. 2015-01-12T13:06:20 < dongs> http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=3964 2015-01-12T13:06:27 < dongs> or does this trash uses that SPI eznet shit 2015-01-12T13:07:32 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T13:08:44 < dongs> nvm, it does use that ENC28 trash on SPI 2015-01-12T13:08:49 < dongs> shitty fucking arduino garbage 2015-01-12T13:09:34 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-12T13:10:49 < dongs> i guess its KSZ8081RNDCA 2015-01-12T13:10:51 < dongs> on qyx board 2015-01-12T13:10:53 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T13:11:52 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-12T13:13:00 < zyp> huh 2015-01-12T13:13:24 < dongs> sup 2015-01-12T13:13:34 < zyp> fixed the buffer issue, now the board enumerates, but fails on the first request after enumeration 2015-01-12T13:13:44 < dongs> time for rblog 2015-01-12T13:14:00 < zyp> already checked that 2015-01-12T13:14:31 < zyp> I suspect HSI48 is not stable enough, I haven't enabled the autocalibration yet 2015-01-12T13:15:51 < dongs> https://github.com/screenfreeze/deskcon-desktop/issues/23 lollin' 2015-01-12T13:16:14 < zyp> hmm, this is time based 2015-01-12T13:16:59 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ZmHTd.png <- it handles requests correctly for a few seconds after enumeration, then it shits itself 2015-01-12T13:17:22 -!- DanteA [~X@host-113-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-12T13:17:45 < dongs> u be chirpin 2015-01-12T13:18:26 < zyp> nah, that's HS 2015-01-12T13:38:58 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-51.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T13:40:17 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T13:45:07 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T13:45:45 < zyp> okay, you need to enable VREFINT before enabling HSI48 2015-01-12T13:45:57 < zyp> seems to work fine now 2015-01-12T13:46:10 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T13:48:22 < dongs> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--5fGYr1YpXY/VIDglmoaxcI/AAAAAAAABfg/mvCUBxWrbSU/s0/FatCat_Surprised.png 2015-01-12T13:51:34 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-12T14:17:31 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T14:22:44 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T14:23:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T14:24:34 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-12T14:30:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-12T14:44:12 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T14:53:09 < qyx_> dongs: yep 2015-01-12T14:53:15 < dongs> nice 2015-01-12T14:53:19 < dongs> that was a pretty pro search 2015-01-12T14:53:27 < dongs> i typede in 24-qfn ethernet phy 2015-01-12T14:53:30 < dongs> and that was #1 link 2015-01-12T15:02:26 -!- decimad2 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:c9e4:9f79:d6ec:5200] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:04:06 < englishman> dongs https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1887824999/squatting-dog 2015-01-12T15:04:26 < dongs> > staff pick 2015-01-12T15:04:30 < dongs> what the fuck am i looking at 2015-01-12T15:04:41 < dongs> oh, its made in japan 2015-01-12T15:04:48 < dongs> totally normal. 2015-01-12T15:05:05 < dongs> oh gawd 2015-01-12T15:05:06 < dongs> kawaii pink 2015-01-12T15:05:20 < Steffanx> -_- 2015-01-12T15:05:29 < zyp> we should buy one for Tectu 2015-01-12T15:05:34 < dongs> retweeting everywhere 2015-01-12T15:05:43 -!- 16WAAXUR3 [~quassel@2a02:8108:23c0:13b0:c9e4:9f79:d6ec:5200] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T15:22:20 < englishman> are there any f0 with more than one adc, or is f1 the cheapest i'll find 2015-01-12T15:22:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:22:35 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-12T15:23:37 < zyp> why do you need more than one? 2015-01-12T15:23:56 < englishman> twice the accuracy, right? 2015-01-12T15:24:05 < englishman> :P 2015-01-12T15:24:06 < zyp> uh, what? 2015-01-12T15:26:30 < englishman> i'd like to sample more than one line simultaneously 2015-01-12T15:27:43 < zyp> why aren't you going for f3 if the goal is adc performance? 2015-01-12T15:28:05 < englishman> because another goal is low cost and small size 2015-01-12T15:35:59 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:42:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:48:48 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-149-184-208.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T15:49:11 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:50:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-12T15:53:28 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:55:47 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-171-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T15:58:23 < jpa-> bah; C, the language where one mistyped number can result in hours of debugging fun 2015-01-12T15:58:58 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-12T15:59:03 < Steffanx> mistyped number :S 2015-01-12T15:59:46 < Steffanx> Was it you mr jpa-? 2015-01-12T16:01:16 < jpa-> nope, someone else 2015-01-12T16:01:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-12T16:01:26 < jpa-> apparently didn't break for him (i.e. he had luck) 2015-01-12T16:01:53 < Steffanx> it this a "doctor my friend ..." story? 2015-01-12T16:04:47 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-51.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T16:05:19 < jpa-> no i don't play doctor with him 2015-01-12T16:05:21 < jpa-> only with tectu 2015-01-12T16:06:11 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T16:08:35 < jpa-> hmm, is there any known bug with i2c dma and 1 byte transfers? 2015-01-12T16:11:39 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T16:18:29 < zyp> read or write? 2015-01-12T16:18:47 < zyp> hmm, dunno about dma 2015-01-12T16:19:02 < zyp> but normal 1 byte transfers need special casing 2015-01-12T16:20:11 < jpa-> in what way? 2015-01-12T16:20:22 < jpa-> i'm doing both 1-byte reads and writes 2015-01-12T16:20:26 < zyp> NAK/STOP timing 2015-01-12T16:20:45 < zyp> since you have to set the flags before last byte is transferred 2015-01-12T16:24:31 < jpa-> looks like this guy doesn't bother about the NAK bit 2015-01-12T16:24:44 < jpa-> just goes to generate stop condition after the transfer is done 2015-01-12T16:27:30 < decimad2> I need to invent coffee with a plateau temperature 2015-01-12T16:27:44 < _Sync_> o0 2015-01-12T16:27:50 < zyp> jpa-, for a read? 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I believe they added bool (or rather _Bool) as integral type to C99? Is C99 actually in use? 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all ones? 2015-01-12T22:28:17 < scummos> 0xFFFFFFFF is not significantly longer than this and certainly more readable 2015-01-12T22:28:44 < decimad> scummos: this is in relation to a template generating arbitrary masks 2015-01-12T22:28:51 < Steffanx> cpp doesnt like uint32 x = -1 ? 2015-01-12T22:29:11 < englishman> Wouldn't that just be 0-1 that makes it all 1s 2015-01-12T22:29:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T22:29:23 < englishman> 1<<32 would be 0? 2015-01-12T22:29:42 < decimad> I hope so, but I don't know all the implicit rules C/C++ has on its way :( 2015-01-12T22:29:53 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T22:29:58 < englishman> Are you asking us to do your homework for you 2015-01-12T22:30:17 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T22:30:48 < dekar> how about ~0, or just -1 :D 2015-01-12T22:30:55 < decimad> englishman: for some definition of 'homework', yes 2015-01-12T22:31:08 < Steffanx> working at home work? 2015-01-12T22:31:51 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-12T22:33:03 < decimad> think of constexpr uint32 mask_foo( uint32 top, uint32 bottom ) { return ((1<<(top-bottom+1))-1)< write some const expr that gives you the amount of ones you want decimad :P 2015-01-12T22:33:13 < Steffanx> ^^ 2015-01-12T22:33:15 -!- hjf [~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-12T22:33:44 < decimad> and I had no problems with this, but maybe it will break some day because some compiler crew decides to follow some standard closer 2015-01-12T22:35:35 < decimad> especially shifting the value out of the data type boundaries might be "unspecified" or something 2015-01-12T22:36:06 < Steffanx> i remember some security blog blogging about it, but i thing that was on signed datatypes 2015-01-12T22:36:08 < decimad> because usually everything handy is forbidden by standard ;) 2015-01-12T22:36:17 < Roklobsta> hmmm i just downloaded this stmcube thing. anything of value in it or should i stick with libopencm3 2015-01-12T22:37:37 < BrainDamage> here's the cube's manual: http://timecube.com/ 2015-01-12T22:39:01 < decimad> wtf is this? 2015-01-12T22:39:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-12T22:39:26 < Steffanx> when you're used to and like hte license of libopencm3, i would stick with it. 2015-01-12T22:39:37 < Roklobsta> it's definitely brain damage. 2015-01-12T22:39:46 < decimad> this indeed 2015-01-12T22:39:50 < Roklobsta> you have a belly button so you are a liar. or something. 2015-01-12T22:39:57 < Steffanx> its timecube. 2015-01-12T22:40:48 < Roklobsta> it belong in an asylum. or came from one. 2015-01-12T22:42:05 < decimad> I find libopencm3 would qualify for bsd... it's handy, but mcu hardware is simple enough to bypass the license... 2015-01-12T22:42:14 < qyx_> 21:25 < decimad> hrmm, am I on safe ground when saying (static_cast(1)<<32)-1 and expecting all ones? 2015-01-12T22:42:18 < qyx_> you are kidding 2015-01-12T22:42:45 < decimad> qyx_: ? 2015-01-12T22:43:14 < qyx_> isn't the main goal of c++ and object oriented approach to programming making the code more readable and easier to understand? 2015-01-12T22:43:48 < decimad> qyx_: please see the actual source of the code which I posted only later, I'm sorry to have started with this special situation 2015-01-12T22:45:24 < qyx_> but i am not the right person to object as i know hardly anything about programming 2015-01-12T22:45:41 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T22:50:10 < Steffanx> lolwut qyx_? 2015-01-12T22:53:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a6fd70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-12T22:58:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-12T22:59:04 < decimad> Steffanx: maybe it was a spike against "people like me" ;) 2015-01-12T23:00:01 < Steffanx> I was about to ask how it was going with your lib, but you started to talk about it again :P 2015-01-12T23:02:10 < Roklobsta> what's a good guide on getting openocd and gdb working together? 2015-01-12T23:02:16 < decimad> Steffanx: I got it as far as I wanted for now. You see, I'm not chasing work, it was a study and I can make some points there now. 2015-01-12T23:02:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-12T23:05:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-12T23:09:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T23:22:39 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T23:23:54 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/BF3165QG 2015-01-12T23:25:55 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T23:26:01 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-12T23:28:21 < Steffanx> that's not your thesis Laurenceb_ 2015-01-12T23:28:55 < qyx_> Steffanx: wat 2015-01-12T23:29:26 < Steffanx> i wasn't sure if you were joking 2015-01-12T23:29:35 < qyx_> which part? 2015-01-12T23:30:09 < Steffanx> "but i am not the right person to object as i know hardly anything about programming" that 2015-01-12T23:31:02 < qyx_> of course not 2015-01-12T23:31:49 < Steffanx> That's why you do it for a living 2015-01-12T23:32:02 < Steffanx> so jpa- can rage about your commercial code 2015-01-12T23:47:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-12T23:49:08 < qyx_> i hope he will never see my closed sores :P 2015-01-12T23:50:45 < GargantuaSauce> closed but oozing 2015-01-12T23:51:00 < Roklobsta> and maggotty. 2015-01-12T23:53:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Jan 13 2015 2015-01-13T00:00:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T00:07:08 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T00:18:25 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T00:20:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.178] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T00:20:14 < Tectu> http://hackaday.io/project/3829-turkey-baster-squirting-dildo 2015-01-13T00:24:55 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T00:36:21 < GargantuaSauce> typical hackaday project 2015-01-13T00:39:19 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-13T00:46:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T00:53:37 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-13T01:03:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T01:11:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aa0fe.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T01:38:39 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-54-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-13T01:39:25 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-13T01:41:04 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T01:45:58 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T01:46:03 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-13T01:58:31 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T01:59:16 < kakeman> god.. 2015-01-13T02:02:14 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-13T02:06:33 < kakeman> that was useful information 2015-01-13T02:08:08 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aa0fe.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T02:39:38 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-13T02:45:36 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T02:54:25 < dongs> Does this project spark your interest? [X] Yes [ ] No 2015-01-13T03:02:10 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T03:04:41 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-13T03:10:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-13T03:10:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T03:17:45 < dongs> upgrdman: beep 2015-01-13T03:44:25 < upgrdman> boop 2015-01-13T03:45:14 < upgrdman> sup dongs 2015-01-13T03:45:21 < KreAture_> hoy 2015-01-13T03:47:10 < zyp> 21:33:03 < decimad> think of constexpr uint32 mask_foo( uint32 top, uint32 bottom ) { return ((1<<(top-bottom+1))-1)< that's easy to solve 2015-01-13T03:47:16 < Roklobsta> are all the arm-none-eabi precompiled libraries built for thumb? 2015-01-13T03:47:54 < zyp> just rewrite it as: ((2<<(top-bottom))-1)< while 1<<32 might be undefined, 2<<31 is not 2015-01-13T03:50:30 < dongs> upgrdman: are you hireable for fpga junk yet 2015-01-13T03:50:45 < upgrdman> probably not. what do you need done? 2015-01-13T03:50:52 < dongs> upgrdman: the same shit, video splitter stuff 2015-01-13T03:51:20 < upgrdman> any docs / log anal capture / etc to show what you need done? 2015-01-13T03:51:44 < dongs> hsync+vsync+de+pixclk+data in, cut it in half, output adjusted pixclk/hsync/vsync/data. can buffer / delay by one raster line 2015-01-13T03:52:02 < dongs> i can get some pics later. its standard digital video stuff. 2015-01-13T03:52:48 < upgrdman> i've never done video aside from cheap lcd controller bit banging over 68k/8080... im probably not pro-troll enough for what you want. 2015-01-13T03:53:13 < dongs> ugh 2015-01-13T03:53:23 < upgrdman> i have been meaning to get my ov76760 (or ov-someshit) working one of these days 2015-01-13T03:54:49 < upgrdman> i put my fpga trolling aside for the last few weeks. i've also been working on improving my fapshack. 2015-01-13T03:55:20 < upgrdman> ripped out old kitchen flooring. today i bought some tile and mortar. tomorrow will begin laying tile. 2015-01-13T03:55:31 < dongs> nice 2015-01-13T03:56:29 < upgrdman> d-bags that own this place before me put laminate flooring in the fucking kitchen. because MDF with a thin plastic shell is such a good idea for potentially wet environments. fucking ass holes... 2015-01-13T03:56:50 < dongs> heh 2015-01-13T03:57:07 < upgrdman> hows your fapshack coming along? 2015-01-13T03:57:24 < dongs> all done 2015-01-13T03:58:19 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/M4sCc that waws like last week. and dumped that huge aircon thats in the corner of entrance this weekend. 2015-01-13T03:58:56 < dongs> hm and trim got finished 2015-01-13T03:59:02 < dongs> but yeah, done. 2015-01-13T03:59:05 < upgrdman> nice. is that your workplace, or also live there? 2015-01-13T03:59:23 < dongs> no, just storage for some computers and shit, normally i'd be there like once a month just to check on shit 2015-01-13T03:59:30 < upgrdman> ah 2015-01-13T04:00:06 < zyp> «that's how I keep all my porn away from my wife» 2015-01-13T04:00:11 < dongs> yea 2015-01-13T04:00:56 < emeb> nice digs just for storage 2015-01-13T04:01:27 < dongs> its the official scamcorp 'office' address, so it should look line 2015-01-13T04:01:31 < dongs> er ,look nice 2015-01-13T04:01:56 < zyp> moving from the old one in «ST building»? 2015-01-13T04:02:02 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-13T04:02:05 < dongs> already moved 2015-01-13T04:05:01 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-13T04:06:13 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T04:08:09 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-13T04:08:36 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4206c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T04:11:33 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d413be.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-13T04:20:36 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-13T04:36:16 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T04:51:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T04:58:01 -!- PeterM-Mobile [~bgdwiepp@1.147.7.181] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T04:58:39 < PeterM-Mobile> Went to timecube.com instant "wtf am I reading" 2015-01-13T05:04:37 -!- PeterM-Mobile [~bgdwiepp@1.147.7.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T05:35:36 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T05:37:57 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-13T05:49:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-171-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-13T05:56:01 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-186-163.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T05:59:44 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T06:00:52 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-186-163.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-13T06:02:46 -!- rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:04:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-13T06:04:59 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:10:38 -!- rickta59 is now known as Rickta59 2015-01-13T06:30:07 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T06:30:25 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:31:04 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-13T06:31:47 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:33:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-13T06:35:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:49:55 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:50:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T06:57:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:58:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T06:58:52 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T07:01:31 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-13T07:03:57 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-13T07:07:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-13T07:18:06 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T07:37:29 < emeb_mac> where have all the pros gone? 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2015-01-13T11:15:56 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azbldcaiqdapjjpj] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T11:19:27 < zyp> uh, what? 2015-01-13T11:23:47 < Roklobsta> i am green to gcc and arm. does the linker make the right assumptions where to locate the sections for an M3 STM32L1? 2015-01-13T11:25:20 < zyp> the memory layout is defined in a linker script 2015-01-13T11:25:44 < Roklobsta> right that's what i mean. profile<=>linker script 2015-01-13T11:25:51 < zyp> okay 2015-01-13T11:26:07 < Roklobsta> one needs to supply it. 2015-01-13T11:26:13 < zyp> if you're using a hardware library, it'll usually come with a linker script 2015-01-13T11:26:22 < zyp> otherwise you'll have to make your own 2015-01-13T11:29:04 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T11:30:10 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T11:30:30 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T11:30:30 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T11:33:53 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T11:36:43 < Roklobsta> got it thanks 2015-01-13T11:58:51 < edmont> i'm trying to upgrade one board that uses a 802.15.4 transceiver (SoC) with a RF front-end. The problem is that RF posositive and negative RF terminals are crossed when putting both chips together, and i wouldn't like to make vias for the RF path. What would happen if i connect positive output of the transceiver with negative input of the front-end (and vice versa)? 2015-01-13T12:00:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T12:01:10 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T12:09:48 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-13T12:12:24 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T12:13:56 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T12:15:02 < Roklobsta> what do the data sheets suggest? is the RF path capacitively coupled? 2015-01-13T12:15:11 < Roklobsta> or are they direct connect? 2015-01-13T12:16:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T12:17:27 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T12:22:48 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T12:22:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T12:26:48 < edmont> i've seen both 2015-01-13T12:27:54 < dongs> god damn this is a great drawing 2015-01-13T12:27:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3nzedsC.png 2015-01-13T12:28:30 < edmont> Roklobsta: in my current board there are 22 pF capacitors between SoC pins and balun 2015-01-13T12:29:06 < dongs> edmont: those are quadrature inputs or whatever? 2015-01-13T12:29:10 < dongs> IN_P/IN_Q? 2015-01-13T12:29:26 < dongs> some stuff lets you swap them by register settings, but generally if you wire htem backwards and cant swap then youre fucked 2015-01-13T12:29:28 < edmont> nop, RFp, RFN 2015-01-13T12:29:32 < dongs> well, same shit 2015-01-13T12:29:55 < dongs> your source signal would need to be phase inverted for it to work if it was swapped 2015-01-13T12:30:20 < dongs> edmont: whats the IF frequency? 2015-01-13T12:30:25 < dongs> vias shouldn't be such a big deal 2015-01-13T12:30:28 < edmont> 2.4ghz 2015-01-13T12:30:33 < dongs> thats not IF 2015-01-13T12:30:45 < dongs> im talking about frequency on RFp/n 2015-01-13T12:31:16 < edmont> that's the transceiver frequency 2015-01-13T12:35:40 < edmont> so you suggest using a via? 2015-01-13T12:36:32 < Roklobsta> avoid like the plague 2015-01-13T12:37:01 < edmont> :) 2015-01-13T12:37:15 < Laurenceb> vias on 2.4Ghz == BAD IDEA 2015-01-13T12:37:26 < dongs> im too lazy to even ask what chipset this is 2015-01-13T12:37:28 < edmont> then? 2015-01-13T12:37:30 < dongs> sinec you arnet providing info 2015-01-13T12:37:49 < edmont> atmega256rfr2 2015-01-13T12:38:02 < edmont> not stm32 anyway :) 2015-01-13T12:38:40 < edmont> but i'm using stm32 in the same board, that's why i'm in this channel 2015-01-13T12:39:11 < edmont> and this is the front-end: http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product/935/SE2436L 2015-01-13T12:42:03 < dongs> so it is an amp and it is at 2.4ghz, so no, you cant swap it. 2015-01-13T12:42:14 < dongs> unless your atmega can swap p/n in harwdare. 2015-01-13T12:43:20 < edmont> i don't think so :) 2015-01-13T12:43:22 < edmont> :( 2015-01-13T12:44:17 < edmont> "Pins RFN and RFP require an AC coupling if the external parts (e.g. balun, antenna) have a DC path to ground. Serial capacitances and capacitance of each pin to ground must be < 30 pF." 2015-01-13T12:45:55 < edmont> don't they sell something like a "crossed coupling capacitors pair"? 2015-01-13T12:46:16 < dongs> you can turn it around with a balun i guess 2015-01-13T12:47:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tD0cyiE.png 2015-01-13T12:47:53 < edmont> the front-end has an integrated balun 2015-01-13T12:47:58 < dongs> oopsie. 2015-01-13T12:48:32 < dongs> put chip on oppoisite side and route rf signal through edge of the board with castellated vias 2015-01-13T12:48:40 < dongs> 2015-01-13T12:49:04 < edmont> what's that pic you sent? 2015-01-13T12:49:18 < edmont> i can do that with two capacitors 2015-01-13T12:49:19 < dongs> how i swapped around usb stuff with a 90ohm balun 2015-01-13T12:49:32 < dongs> you could yea 2015-01-13T12:49:40 < dongs> if you can route stuff under it i gues? 2015-01-13T12:49:44 < edmont> 1-4 2-3 2015-01-13T12:49:52 < dongs> ya. 2015-01-13T12:49:58 < edmont> yes, they can't be 0402 2015-01-13T12:50:18 < dongs> you can route 5mil under 0402 2015-01-13T12:50:48 < edmont> is that enough for that frequency? 2015-01-13T12:52:05 < dongs> i duno, youre the rf pcb designer expert 2015-01-13T12:53:25 < edmont> :D 2015-01-13T12:53:55 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-13T12:53:59 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-13T12:53:59 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T12:53:59 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-13T12:53:59 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T12:58:51 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T13:00:00 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T13:13:32 < decimad> Are disassemblers able to differ between commands and placed constants in the binary code? My presumptions is they can try, but it's not possible to 100% certainty? Also padding might be hard to get right? 2015-01-13T13:14:43 < zyp> what sort of disassemblers and what's your starting point? 2015-01-13T13:14:57 < zyp> an elf file with tons of metadata or a plain binary? 2015-01-13T13:15:16 < decimad> Just a plain binary how it ends up in memory 2015-01-13T13:16:00 < decimad> I was about to write that assembler and binary encoded instructions are somewhat "equivalent", but that's hardly correct... 2015-01-13T13:16:10 < zyp> IDA does a pretty good job at analyzing plain binaries 2015-01-13T13:16:23 < decimad> putting aside the loss of identifiers and all 2015-01-13T13:16:47 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4206c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-13T13:17:26 < zyp> it starts from whatever you specify as the entry point and starts disassembling from there, and then it captures references to other areas and resolves them as code or data depending on whether it's read/written or executed 2015-01-13T13:17:39 < decimad> Otoh, if you analyze pc relative loads and stuff you can find out what ought to be constants 2015-01-13T13:17:52 < zyp> yes 2015-01-13T13:18:12 < decimad> So if you're not doing fancy stuff, it should be pretty lossless I guess 2015-01-13T13:18:25 < zyp> data after return instructions won't be executed unless there's something jumping to it 2015-01-13T13:19:57 < decimad> Only thing hard would be if you compute branch locations 2015-01-13T13:20:37 < zyp> IDA recognize and resolve switch/case structures too 2015-01-13T13:20:54 < zyp> which are usually computed branches 2015-01-13T13:21:33 < decimad> zyp: But that's "best effort" on certain cases, it's not really general. It's one thing if I say it's lossless and the other it's mostly lossless ;) I need to be precise 2015-01-13T13:22:18 < zyp> well, if the question is whether there's an 1:1-mapping between assembly and machine code, the answer is no 2015-01-13T13:25:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-13T13:31:45 < jpa-> ride7 asks me: "Do you want to terminate this tool now?" oh how i wish.. but i have to get my work done 2015-01-13T13:32:33 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-13T13:32:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T13:41:10 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azbldcaiqdapjjpj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-13T13:41:37 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-13T13:42:51 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@TOROON12-1279662182.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T13:58:28 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-13T14:04:58 < Laurenceb> dongs spotted 2015-01-13T14:05:00 < Laurenceb> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=105206 2015-01-13T14:07:03 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-13T14:07:24 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T14:11:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T14:17:58 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-13T14:19:28 < dongs> ur a terminated tool 2015-01-13T14:19:49 < dongs> (laurenceb) 2015-01-13T14:27:11 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-13T14:34:19 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T14:53:28 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-13T14:56:14 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@TOROON12-1279662182.sdsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T14:56:21 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T14:58:56 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T15:39:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T15:45:44 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T15:58:20 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-13T16:19:45 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T16:25:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T16:27:56 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T16:57:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-13T17:04:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T17:04:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-13T17:04:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T17:04:46 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T17:09:35 < jpa-> bah why isn't my dma starting 2015-01-13T17:10:58 * Fleck turns on "smart***" , where's the code? 2015-01-13T17:14:18 < jpa-> i'm not that desparate yet 2015-01-13T17:14:26 < jpa-> my reputation will be lost for ever if i show this 2015-01-13T17:14:37 < Fleck> :D 2015-01-13T17:15:36 < Steffanx> we all know it's commercial code 2015-01-13T17:26:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T17:34:55 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2015-01-13T17:35:26 < Tectu> jpa-, it should be open sores 2015-01-13T17:40:43 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/iQ/plain well if someone wants to take a look 2015-01-13T17:41:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FVBqiUS.jpg what aids pcb cad is this 2015-01-13T17:43:15 -!- rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T17:43:17 < Tectu> it's MS Paint with the iPCB plugin 2015-01-13T17:43:38 < Tectu> dongs, is that the dildo PCB? 2015-01-13T17:44:52 < dongs> no, its 3.5mil dickstarter scam 2015-01-13T17:45:12 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone 2015-01-13T17:51:17 < Tectu> more drones yay 2015-01-13T17:51:24 < dongs> more like more retard 2015-01-13T17:51:26 < dongs> read the shit. 2015-01-13T17:51:27 < dongs> its 100% scam 2015-01-13T17:51:31 < dongs> all teh videos on page are scam 2015-01-13T17:51:41 < Tectu> watching now 2015-01-13T17:51:43 < dongs> there's not a single working version, the spec is impossible at that size/weight/battery/etc 2015-01-13T17:51:53 < emeb> > 2M UKP. lol 2015-01-13T17:52:08 < Tectu> tey atleast seem to have some flying stuff 2015-01-13T17:52:12 < dongs> where? 2015-01-13T17:52:22 < Tectu> video at the very top? 2015-01-13T17:52:32 < dongs> um thats a $15 chinadrone 2015-01-13T17:52:39 < dongs> rest is faked 2015-01-13T17:52:42 < Tectu> lul? 2015-01-13T17:52:48 < Tectu> show me 2015-01-13T17:53:27 < Tectu> dongs, I have not read specs yet but looks like wind could become a major issue :P 2015-01-13T17:55:40 < emeb> nah - kalman filters can solve every problem. 2015-01-13T17:56:01 < Lux> lol, pretty sure it's a scamstarter aswell 2015-01-13T17:56:13 < dongs> it is 100% scamstarter 2015-01-13T17:56:45 < dongs> to deshake 5mp in realtime from such small piece of shit wiht brushed motors to get anywhere near usable video is gonna be impossible 2015-01-13T17:56:48 < Tectu> but it glows in the dark... -____- 2015-01-13T17:57:03 < Tectu> not to mention battery life... 2015-01-13T17:58:29 < Lux> i saw the hubsan h107d videos.. pretty unusable 2015-01-13T17:59:11 < Lux> at least their vids look a bit like crappy chinda drone vids after heavy post processing 2015-01-13T17:59:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guMJJeKPR0c 2015-01-13T18:00:45 < Lux> that stuff is also pretty amaze in dollars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_%28drone%29 2015-01-13T18:01:02 < Lux> scored 500.000$ from intel with the same material as zano 2015-01-13T18:01:12 < dongs> 'material'? 2015-01-13T18:01:16 < dongs> haha 45grams 2015-01-13T18:01:17 < dongs> man 2015-01-13T18:01:19 < Lux> presentation 2015-01-13T18:01:21 < dongs> these guys are fucking retarded 2015-01-13T18:01:43 < Lux> nice videos, concept, but no product 2015-01-13T18:02:14 < Lux> "working" product 2015-01-13T18:02:31 < dongs> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Nixie_workshop.jpg loool 2015-01-13T18:03:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:03:59 < gxti> much innovation 2015-01-13T18:04:29 < Tectu> hey have an asian guy, must be good 2015-01-13T18:05:11 < jpa-> Tectu: so did you solve my i2c problem yet? 2015-01-13T18:07:10 < Tectu> jpa-, not even remotely. Blame dongs, he distracted me 2015-01-13T18:07:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.17] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:08:04 -!- Elek101 [~textual@diagenode.socext.ulg.ac.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:09:53 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:11:08 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:11:08 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-13T18:11:08 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:20:45 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T18:21:34 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:22:16 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:27:40 < dongs> hahaha 2015-01-13T18:27:42 < dongs> The final standard battery will be 350mAh as this ensures we keep the official weight below 60 grams, however we will be providing 350, 650 and 800mAh batteries as well. 2015-01-13T18:28:27 < dongs> > wifi > 5mp cam+dsp > 64led matrix > 55grams > 350mAh 2015-01-13T18:29:31 < dongs> The final standard battery will be 350mAh as this ensures we keep the official weight below 60 grams, however we will be providing 350, 650 and 800mAh batteries as well. 2015-01-13T18:29:33 < Laurenceb> wut you trolling about? 2015-01-13T18:29:34 < dongs> hahaha 2015-01-13T18:29:36 < dongs> Everything about Zano is more like your modern smart phone than an RC Quad. Zano is intelligent, monitors its own weight, air temp, compensates for the speed of sound based on air temp for calibration of the sonar etc etc. It also supports low power modes, sleep mode and hibernate all to conserve battery power. On top of that the electronics are different to that of other quads the same size as Zano. We have special characteristics built into the hardware to prolong 2015-01-13T18:29:38 < Lux> and flight times of like 2 minutes 2015-01-13T18:29:43 < dongs> err 2015-01-13T18:29:57 < dongs> lux, probly not even take off at 350mAh 2015-01-13T18:30:10 < dongs> shit, there's a ceramic GPS patch in one of the renderings, that shit alone is like 5-10grams 2015-01-13T18:30:27 < dongs> and they have 4 'IR' senders/receivers on teh corners and shit 2015-01-13T18:30:30 < dongs> "have" 2015-01-13T18:30:37 < dongs> also their main MCU is fucking PIC32 2015-01-13T18:30:46 < englishman> but they have 2.3mil gbp 2015-01-13T18:30:46 < Lux> my micro quad has like 50g with a 380mah battery flight time is 5 min max 2015-01-13T18:30:47 < englishman> do u 2015-01-13T18:31:10 < englishman> i can change my name just as fast as those guys 2015-01-13T18:31:22 < englishman> + move to tobago 2015-01-13T18:31:33 < Lux> but without all that gps crap etc.. yeah their stuff is very scammy 2015-01-13T18:32:25 < dongs> aerial videos = scam 2015-01-13T18:32:33 < dongs> 350mAh powering all the shit listed in features = scam 2015-01-13T18:32:53 < Lux> definetly 2015-01-13T18:33:12 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T18:33:18 < dongs> Ultimately, no one really knows yet. The standard battery (350mAh) is expected to give around 10-15 minutes of flight time, but it will depend on how hard the motors are working (so how fast you are flying, how windy it is and what sort of manouvers you are attempting) so there isn't a straight answer. Once the production models are available, some reference figures (e.g. indoor hover) could be obtained. 2015-01-13T18:33:27 < englishman> lol 2015-01-13T18:33:48 < englishman> it probably couldnt last 15 minutes on the groun 2015-01-13T18:33:58 < englishman> hd cam + wifi? 2015-01-13T18:34:06 < dongs> so each motor draws 15mA at most??? 2015-01-13T18:34:08 < Lux> i might be involved in a quad scamstarter soon :P 2015-01-13T18:34:29 < englishman> can seymour jenkins get involved 2015-01-13T18:34:29 < KreAture_> dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CZopGwmezM 2015-01-13T18:34:47 < KreAture_> dongs Still need to implement all the commands, a few draw errors etc now 2015-01-13T18:35:02 < KreAture_> dongs and find a lcd that matches the original size 2015-01-13T18:35:21 < dongs> wtf is is, a vacuum cleaner? 2015-01-13T18:35:39 < dongs> how is that related to a quad kickstarter 2015-01-13T18:35:49 < englishman> is awesome vacuum cleaner 2015-01-13T18:35:59 < KreAture_> if the awsomest 2015-01-13T18:36:02 < KreAture_> just has a shitty lcd 2015-01-13T18:36:08 < dongs> Regarding batteries, I am still in discussions with our battery manufacturer fleshing out the final specifics of the batteries. As soon as these are finalised, everything including dimensions will be published. Sorry I can not provide more specific information just yet. 2015-01-13T18:36:10 < KreAture_> or shitty comms to the lcd really 2015-01-13T18:37:05 < englishman> Zano is scheduled to ship in June. 2015-01-13T18:37:08 < englishman> placing bets now 2015-01-13T18:37:42 < dongs> englishman: my jap pal went ahead and "ordered" one despite me showing him AQ4Mini on my shelf as an example that what they're advertising cant be done 2015-01-13T18:37:50 < dongs> i suspect he will be crying very soon 2015-01-13T18:38:08 < englishman> nah he'll be crying in 1.5 years 2015-01-13T18:38:14 < englishman> when they finally run out of money without delivering 2015-01-13T18:38:27 < englishman> maybe 2 years 2015-01-13T18:38:39 < dongs> they can run out in a month, just buy a yacht or two 2015-01-13T18:38:53 < Lux> dongs: how much does the autoquad m4 weigh ? 2015-01-13T18:39:02 < dongs> Lux: 60-ish i think, lemme see.. 2015-01-13T18:39:23 < dongs> wait nah 2015-01-13T18:39:26 < dongs> 23 looks like 2015-01-13T18:39:42 < Lux> that's pretty good 2015-01-13T18:40:24 < dongs> it also doesnt have a plastic shell, 64leds array, gps patch antenna, board to board stacked pinheaders, etc. 2015-01-13T18:40:36 < dongs> or a 5mp hdcam + wifi 2015-01-13T18:40:38 < Lux> yeah 2015-01-13T18:41:30 < dongs> oh and sonar/IR shit or whateveer the fuck they're babbling about 2015-01-13T18:42:06 < Lux> parrot has that on their micros, but no gps 2015-01-13T18:42:10 < Lux> sonar 2015-01-13T18:43:02 -!- rickta59 is now known as Rickta59 2015-01-13T18:43:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-13T18:43:14 < Lux> have you tried the m4 yet ? 2015-01-13T18:43:21 < dongs> nope 2015-01-13T18:43:23 < dongs> it needs spektrum 2015-01-13T18:43:31 < dongs> and it doenst bind to my HP6DSM 2015-01-13T18:43:44 < dongs> and I n eed to r eflash one of my turdigy9x so i can put a dsm module in it. 2015-01-13T18:43:54 < dongs> basically, just jerking off instead of doing a ~20minute thing 2015-01-13T18:45:08 < dongs> bedtime 2015-01-13T18:45:45 < Lux> night 2015-01-13T18:47:21 -!- Elek101 [~textual@diagenode.socext.ulg.ac.be] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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anyone know if cortex-m3 supports register watchpoints? i.e. can i break on a register getting a certain value? 2015-01-13T21:37:51 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-13T21:38:59 < jpa-> afaik no 2015-01-13T21:39:25 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T22:08:46 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T22:18:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-13T22:24:45 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-13T22:25:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T22:33:19 < zyp> is that even a thing? 2015-01-13T22:34:21 < zyp> I'm having problems imagining how it's useful, considering how registers hold a lot of unrelated values over the course of a program 2015-01-13T22:35:06 < zyp> if you want to break on a register having a certain value at a certain point, you can use a conditional breakpoint at that point, with the condition being the register value 2015-01-13T22:40:36 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T22:46:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T22:57:49 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T22:57:58 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-13T23:00:25 < Roklobsta> yeah given once optimisation kicks in you may never see your expected value in a register. 2015-01-13T23:01:11 < zyp> well, if you're even considering monitoring registers, you should be debugging on the assembly level, not the source level 2015-01-13T23:06:02 < yan_> zyp: to answer your question, lr register was being corrupted and i have been trying to figure out where that happens.. i.e. it gets a value outside of .text 2015-01-13T23:06:22 < yan_> so i wanted to set a watchpoint on $lr == 0xfffffffd, or something like it 2015-01-13T23:06:25 < yan_> but i've since gotten past it 2015-01-13T23:07:42 < zyp> my bet is that you're misdiagnosing it :) 2015-01-13T23:08:13 < zyp> that's likely EXC_RETURN, which is a magic value 2015-01-13T23:09:01 < zyp> it'll be put into lr on interrupt entry, and when the ISR returns to it, it'll instruct the cpu to perform an interrupt return 2015-01-13T23:10:16 < zyp> see http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0553a/Babefdjc.html#BABDBEII 2015-01-13T23:11:53 < zyp> so what's really happening is probably that you're inside an ISR 2015-01-13T23:14:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-13T23:16:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-13T23:21:25 < Roklobsta> stack overflow? i have had weird register (return value) corruptions when i overflowed the stack on an 8051 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2015-01-14T02:06:17 < dymk> The datasheet doesn't seem to say anything on this, and internet suggests that it requires you to use channels 1 and 2 2015-01-14T02:07:12 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@ip-96-43-226-166.dsl.netrevolution.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T02:08:14 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T02:09:22 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T02:09:23 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T02:09:23 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T02:09:24 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T02:09:42 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@ip-96-43-226-166.dsl.netrevolution.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-14T02:09:42 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T02:09:49 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T02:11:07 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T02:21:50 < dongs> suup innovation 2015-01-14T02:21:55 < dongs> dymk: 1/2 i think 2015-01-14T02:22:20 < dongs> at least thats what I used when doing clicky encoder. 2015-01-14T02:23:28 < dymk> Thanks Dongs, and bummer, TIM2_CH1_ETR and TIM5_CH1 overlap 2015-01-14T02:24:54 < dongs> why etr? 2015-01-14T02:25:06 < dongs> you mean you made schematic not considering ch1/2? 2015-01-14T02:25:45 < dymk> I'm just assigning pins right now 2015-01-14T02:26:00 < dymk> just wanted to verify that I had to use ch1/2 for the quadrature encoders 2015-01-14T02:26:12 < dymk> and I've got no idea what the etr means 2015-01-14T02:26:28 < dongs> external trigger 2015-01-14T02:27:09 < dymk> i'll see what i can get out of the reference manual 2015-01-14T02:28:55 < dongs> if you dont know, you dont need it 2015-01-14T02:29:24 < dongs> etr is just something t hat channel can d, if you don't turn it on then you just use it as regular timer channel for wahtever 2015-01-14T02:29:52 < dymk> alright, in that case I can't figure out which pin is tim2's ch1 2015-01-14T02:30:03 < dongs> that one. 2015-01-14T02:30:19 < dymk> oh, so just ignore the etr part 2015-01-14T02:30:23 < dymk> alright, thanks 2015-01-14T02:30:24 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-14T02:31:45 < dymk> hm, tim5 and tim2 share the same pin for ch2, I guess they can't be used for separate decoders then 2015-01-14T02:34:19 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-14T02:43:44 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T02:45:49 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=106 2015-01-14T02:45:49 < dongs> haha 2015-01-14T02:51:44 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecikamagqchpulbf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T03:07:46 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14T03:11:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9Kpr7aO.jpg 2015-01-14T03:11:43 < dongs> retweet 2015-01-14T03:14:42 < dymk> dongs, that zano looks like a really neat concept 2015-01-14T03:14:50 < dongs> by concept you mean scasm 2015-01-14T03:14:53 < dongs> scam, rather 2015-01-14T03:14:59 < dongs> it is defnitely a very neat scam 2015-01-14T03:15:03 < dymk> yeah, was going to say, now is it a scam or not 2015-01-14T03:17:02 < dymk> dongs, so tim2 ch1 exists on multiple pins, if I'm interpreting this right? 2015-01-14T03:17:09 < dongs> yes 2015-01-14T03:17:19 < dongs> you will set the one its on by AFIO stuff 2015-01-14T03:17:23 < dymk> neat, then i can use tim2 and tim5 for separate encoders 2015-01-14T03:17:36 < dongs> this is 64pin F4? 2015-01-14T03:17:41 < dymk> Yep 2015-01-14T03:17:58 < dongs> yea, you definitely should be able to do at least 5-6 ch1/2 timers at same time on there 2015-01-14T03:18:55 < dymk> great, and thanks for bearing with me, some other team member lost our discovery board, and it's hard for me to actually verify this stuff without it 2015-01-14T03:19:15 < dongs> are you using cubemx for pinout 2015-01-14T03:19:31 < dongs> gui app 2015-01-14T03:19:37 < dymk> no, haven't heard of it 2015-01-14T03:19:40 < dongs> oh dude 2015-01-14T03:19:47 < dongs> it will make your life 100% easier 2015-01-14T03:19:58 < dymk> that sounds like my kinda program then 2015-01-14T03:20:34 < dymk> yt video i'm watching on it looks like it'll be really, really useful 2015-01-14T03:22:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3OiEKun.png 2015-01-14T03:22:14 < dongs> you can do shit like this, and clicking each pin shows which AF is available on it 2015-01-14T03:22:17 < dongs> etc 2015-01-14T03:22:27 < dymk> AF == alternate function? 2015-01-14T03:22:30 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-14T03:22:35 < dongs> like which timer/wahtever shit is there 2015-01-14T03:22:35 < dymk> sweeet 2015-01-14T03:22:49 < dongs> so you can quickly see what's avilable or not 2015-01-14T03:22:55 < dymk> times like this I'm really happy i've got bootcamp set up 2015-01-14T03:23:05 < dongs> its java, might be able to run on mactrash 2015-01-14T03:23:14 < dongs> if you just get it unpacked 2015-01-14T03:23:14 < dymk> hm might indeed 2015-01-14T03:23:22 < dymk> but, :effort: 2015-01-14T03:23:25 < dongs> rite 2015-01-14T03:23:42 < dongs> anyway it is super useful 2015-01-14T03:24:50 < Simon--> short answer: no, it's not available, you already used it for the other feature 2015-01-14T03:25:35 < dymk> Simon--, was that directed at me? 2015-01-14T03:25:46 < Simon--> no ;) 2015-01-14T03:25:50 < dongs> left side also has some preset features you can enable in groups, like the ch1/2 encoder mode 2015-01-14T03:25:57 < dongs> so youcan just let it auto-assign pins for oyu 2015-01-14T03:26:35 < dymk> and it'll figure out alternate pins to use for overlapping ones, etc? 2015-01-14T03:28:07 < dongs> i just tried it, you can do 6 encoders on 64pin F4 2015-01-14T03:28:35 < dongs> tim1/2/3/4/5/8 2015-01-14T03:28:36 < dymk> TIM2&5 in those? those're the 32 bit ones 2015-01-14T03:28:37 < dymk> sweet 2015-01-14T03:28:39 < dongs> ch1/2 are available 2015-01-14T03:28:39 < dongs> yes 2015-01-14T03:29:06 < dongs> PA0/PA1 and PA7/PB3 2015-01-14T03:29:21 < dongs> err 2015-01-14T03:29:27 < dongs> PA5/PB3 2015-01-14T03:29:30 < dongs> for TIM2 2015-01-14T03:30:04 < dymk> this is awesome, it generates initialization code as well 2015-01-14T03:30:14 < dongs> well yea, but that part is not so awesoem 2015-01-14T03:30:41 < dymk> saves me having to write it :P 2015-01-14T03:30:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T03:32:15 < dymk> oh wow and it's nice and detailed about conflicts with other periphs 2015-01-14T03:34:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T03:40:33 < dongs> ya if y ou use default left-side assignment configuration it'll tlel you 2015-01-14T03:40:47 < dongs> it sometimes gets confused if you go out of standard way and assign some stuff manually 2015-01-14T03:40:54 < dongs> if you always choose from the autoconfigurator stuff its ok 2015-01-14T03:41:19 < dongs> but sure beats paging through datasheet and drawing shit on paper/mspaint 2015-01-14T03:48:34 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-14T04:03:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4206c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-14T04:08:18 < johntramp> I have just somehow bricked 3 stm32f4 boards, they are now all telling me 'Error: jtag status contains invalid mode value - communication failure' in openocd 2015-01-14T04:08:47 < johntramp> it seems like I am unable to get them into a halted state, and all registers seem to be 0x0 2015-01-14T04:09:00 < emeb_mac> using stlink-v2? 2015-01-14T04:09:05 < johntramp> yes 2015-01-14T04:09:12 < emeb_mac> got a windows machine handy? 2015-01-14T04:09:25 < johntramp> I am on linux but have access to windows 2015-01-14T04:09:39 < emeb_mac> if so, use the stlink-utility to try to talk to them. 2015-01-14T04:09:49 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T04:09:54 < emeb_mac> that seems smarter than openocd when things get hosed 2015-01-14T04:10:00 < johntramp> ok 2015-01-14T04:10:12 < johntramp> I have tried st-flash (on linux) which doesn't work either 2015-01-14T04:10:28 < johntramp> that gives me "libusb_handle_events() | has_error" 2015-01-14T04:11:38 < johntramp> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF258168 is this it? 2015-01-14T04:12:14 < emeb_mac> yes 2015-01-14T04:12:52 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14T04:14:21 < johntramp> this machine was working fine the other day and is now bricking them 2015-01-14T04:17:31 < dongs> blame lannix 2015-01-14T04:17:51 < emeb_mac> blame canada 2015-01-14T04:18:05 < dongs> i'd have to agree 2015-01-14T04:18:23 < dongs> especially t he french part 2015-01-14T04:20:42 < johntramp> http://pastie.org/pastes/9830496/text?key=j0czpgiulpmhbeddbmisq 2015-01-14T04:33:53 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T04:36:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T04:37:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T04:43:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T04:47:52 < johntramp> same sort of error on the windows machine 2015-01-14T04:47:58 < johntramp> "15:45:24 : Can not read memory! 2015-01-14T04:47:59 < johntramp> Disable Read Out Protection and retry. 2015-01-14T04:48:16 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14T04:48:45 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14T04:50:22 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T04:50:29 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T04:50:33 < emeb_mac> johntramp: did you try disabling? 2015-01-14T04:50:47 < johntramp> how? 2015-01-14T04:50:59 < emeb_mac> should be an option in there somewhere 2015-01-14T04:51:12 < emeb_mac> may have to completely clear the processor 2015-01-14T04:51:53 -!- talsit_roam_ [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dujojddzciajblts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T04:52:00 < johntramp> wiping the mcu doesn't work either 2015-01-14T04:52:21 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecikamagqchpulbf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T04:52:33 -!- talsit_roam_ is now known as talsit_roam 2015-01-14T04:52:46 < emeb_mac> ooo - bad sign. 2015-01-14T04:54:38 < emeb_mac> if you can't clear the mcu w/ stlink-util then there's something bad happening. 2015-01-14T04:54:58 < emeb_mac> all your voltages good? (vcap, etc) 2015-01-14T05:00:47 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T05:01:33 < johntramp> yes, was running off bench psu 2015-01-14T05:02:39 < dongs> Inside the micro controller runs the Zano OS (operating system). This is purpose built in assembly language and handles threading, communications, filtering, image processing, avoidance, audio, GPS and Wi-Fi and more 2015-01-14T05:02:43 < dongs> haha 2015-01-14T05:02:53 < johntramp> how does the readout protection work in the stm? 2015-01-14T05:02:59 < johntramp> is it a one time programmable bit? 2015-01-14T05:03:02 < dongs> no 2015-01-14T05:03:09 < dongs> you can reset it, but it will erase flash after. 2015-01-14T05:03:19 < johntramp> ok that's fine 2015-01-14T05:08:00 < johntramp> all the registers read out as 0x00 2015-01-14T05:13:48 < johntramp> http://pastie.org/pastes/9830676/text?key=68uz2ec5um5psbnsfgtwg 2015-01-14T05:13:52 < johntramp> this is it corrupting the board 2015-01-14T05:14:33 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dujojddzciajblts] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T05:16:45 -!- talsit_roam_ [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akumwsynlltlkptu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T05:17:39 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmurdqgjotrcfqfn] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T05:19:18 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-spkutuosvvyimdxs] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T05:24:42 -!- debris` [debris@shells.ohai.su] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-14T05:42:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d43233.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T05:43:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d43233.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-14T05:46:09 < johntramp> emeb_mac: should I have had a voltage brownout mid-flash, what could that have done? 2015-01-14T05:46:54 < emeb_mac> johntramp: probably nothing good 2015-01-14T05:49:10 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T05:49:28 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:00:00 -!- talsit_roam_ [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akumwsynlltlkptu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-14T06:07:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T06:08:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T06:08:45 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:10:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:20:00 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mu-thermal-camera-a-great-tool-to-save-on-energy-costs#activity oh look 2015-01-14T06:20:04 < dongs> muoptics is closing shop 2015-01-14T06:20:04 < dongs> lol 2015-01-14T06:20:49 < dongs> blaming: seek thermal 2015-01-14T06:24:28 < ds2> well, closing shop will definitely save on energy costs :D 2015-01-14T06:24:40 < emeb_mac> closing shop? 2015-01-14T06:25:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T06:26:22 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T06:26:33 < dongs> read the last few updates 2015-01-14T06:32:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:33:05 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-14T06:35:33 < upgrdman> sweet drifting http://gfycat.com/EasyDaringIrukandjijellyfish 2015-01-14T06:40:14 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:40:47 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:45:57 < dongs> no 2015-01-14T06:46:02 < dongs> you just declare failure in some cute way 2015-01-14T06:46:08 < dongs> and maybe offer some discounts on your next scam 2015-01-14T06:46:27 < dongs> yes 2015-01-14T06:46:30 < dongs> thats how a ll dickstarter shit works 2015-01-14T06:47:42 < qyx_> you are accepting the risk of losing your money if they don't deliver 2015-01-14T06:47:49 < qyx_> basically 2015-01-14T06:47:50 < dongs> R2COM: basically, yes 2015-01-14T06:48:09 < dongs> dickstarter is not a store 2015-01-14T06:48:13 < dongs> you are not paying for products 2015-01-14T06:48:24 < qyx_> but crowdfunding is not only about money 2015-01-14T06:48:24 < dongs> you're paying for MAYBE someone delivering something that resembles original advertised shit. 2015-01-14T06:50:48 < dongs> im furiosuly waiting for the next part of your sentence 2015-01-14T06:55:13 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T06:55:13 < qyx_> hh 2015-01-14T06:55:35 < qyx_> it can be seen as a tool to investigate interest of your product 2015-01-14T06:55:59 < Roklobsta> i'd say it's a mix of dodgy money grabbers, people who'd like to have the time/money to actually finish an idea and truly altruistic people. 2015-01-14T06:56:04 < qyx_> if people are brainlessly backing your shitty thing, it may probably have some potential to be sold 2015-01-14T06:56:15 < qyx_> *in your products 2015-01-14T06:56:36 < Roklobsta> it's just another thing to invest in and take some risk of losing your money. 2015-01-14T06:57:19 < Roklobsta> the only time i'll ever get involved with a kickstarter is if i have something to be made 2015-01-14T07:00:11 < Roklobsta> i threw some money 18 months ago at a nascent project to do another version of the game Dungeon Keeper. This mornings update is looking really good. 2015-01-14T07:00:19 < englishman> johntramp: for some reason ive killed both a legit st-dink and a segger clone 2015-01-14T07:00:27 < englishman> im down to one ulink clone 2015-01-14T07:12:22 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T07:12:42 < dongs> the baby will be dead before that thermal camera delivers 2015-01-14T07:12:49 < dongs> of old age 2015-01-14T07:13:23 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-14T07:21:57 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzoB6xBWOI 2015-01-14T07:26:42 -!- talsit_roam_ [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oofuccgomamamtii] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T07:30:00 < PeterM> i was hoping that would go badly 2015-01-14T07:35:40 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T07:44:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T07:47:34 < dongs> laff 2015-01-14T07:49:14 < emeb_mac> ya - they surely would have put it up on ewetoob if it hadn't worked favorably 2015-01-14T07:50:18 < dongs> haha 2015-01-14T07:50:27 < dongs> watch our boss get murdered 2015-01-14T07:50:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-71-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T07:52:51 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T07:53:07 < PeterM> dongs: the problems wit that and self employment 2015-01-14T08:17:55 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:18:57 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-14T08:22:07 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:24:13 < emeb_mac> Russia ammo is the best ammo 2015-01-14T08:24:14 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:25:25 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-14T08:25:27 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:26:27 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-d9bbf0ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:26:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:31:23 < englishman> good use of eyepro by the shooter 2015-01-14T08:33:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T08:33:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:41:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-14T08:43:07 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-d9bbf0ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-14T08:48:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T08:49:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T08:52:58 < dymk> so I know of FTDI's line of chips for communicating with a chip over UART, but do similar adapters exist for USART? 2015-01-14T08:54:04 < jpa-> i think FTDI has some chips that can do pretty much anything 2015-01-14T08:54:10 < jpa-> FT232H or somesuch 2015-01-14T08:54:29 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-14T08:54:33 < dymk> I thought that USART required a clock line though? 2015-01-14T08:54:42 < dymk> these seem to only have the RX and TX pins 2015-01-14T08:55:45 < jpa-> what chip are you looking at? 2015-01-14T08:56:10 < jpa-> (and who uses non-spi synchronous serial port anymore anyway) 2015-01-14T08:57:04 < dymk> eh this isn't my field of study, I'm a programmer kinda thrust into the hardware wing 2015-01-14T08:57:30 < dymk> I'm using the STM32F407RG with probably the FT232R 2015-01-14T08:58:07 < dymk> I just need to be able to program the stm over the comms line, doesn't matter to me what protocol, but I saw in the datasheet that usart1 can be used to program the chip 2015-01-14T08:58:19 < dymk> s/the comms line/any comms line/ 2015-01-14T08:58:29 < jpa-> sure, it is just regular RS232 2015-01-14T08:58:41 < jpa-> i.e. UART, even though the USART1 supports synchronous also 2015-01-14T08:59:07 < dymk> okay, so don't need the clock line, but I'd prefer the speed increase of USART over UART if possible 2015-01-14T08:59:38 < jpa-> most probably the flash speed of the STM32 is the limiting factor 2015-01-14T09:00:01 < jpa-> UART can easily do 1Mbit/s over short distances 2015-01-14T09:00:10 < dymk> Hm, well in that case 2015-01-14T09:00:41 < dymk> would you recommend a better way of programming the chip though? I also plan on exposing the SWD pins 2015-01-14T09:01:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T09:01:39 < jpa-> well for development i would definitely use SWD so that debugging is possible 2015-01-14T09:01:55 < jpa-> BOOT0 bootloader is fine for production programming and in-the-field firmware upgrades 2015-01-14T09:02:00 < zyp> what jpa- said 2015-01-14T09:02:11 < zyp> developing without debugger access is a waste of time 2015-01-14T09:03:25 < dymk> hmkay, and it can be programmed over swd? 2015-01-14T09:03:51 < dymk> also, when you say boot0 bootloader, that's the one that'll program the chip over uart1/3? 2015-01-14T09:04:06 < jpa-> yes, the one you activate with the boot0 pin 2015-01-14T09:04:13 < dymk> and yeah i'd imagine it'd be hell without a debugger 2015-01-14T09:04:48 < jpa-> not really, been there done that, but would not design a board without swd myself 2015-01-14T09:06:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T09:09:38 < zyp> also, why would you even use an FTDI 2015-01-14T09:09:40 < zyp> ? 2015-01-14T09:09:59 < dymk> used them before, know how to use them 2015-01-14T09:10:02 < zyp> STM32F4 supports native USB, and even the built in bootloader supports flashing over that 2015-01-14T09:10:09 < dymk> ...oh 2015-01-14T09:10:32 < zyp> so you can hook up the chip pretty much directly to an USB port and flash it 2015-01-14T09:10:49 < dymk> can i put it into the bootloader from USB directly, or does it require a soft reset w/ boot0 high and all that? 2015-01-14T09:11:08 < zyp> that depends on your application 2015-01-14T09:11:13 < dymk> fair enough 2015-01-14T09:11:18 < zyp> you can have a command in your application that switches to the bootloader 2015-01-14T09:11:35 < dymk> oh, that's true 2015-01-14T09:13:57 < dymk> would that be USB_OTG_FS in Device only mode? 2015-01-14T09:14:23 < jpa-> humm; looks like I2C DMA blocks until i reset the ADDR bit by reading SR1 & SR2 2015-01-14T09:14:32 < zyp> dymk, yep 2015-01-14T09:14:37 < dymk> zyp, thanks :) 2015-01-14T09:14:53 < zyp> dymk, you probably want to read AN2606 2015-01-14T09:14:59 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00167594.pdf 2015-01-14T09:15:21 < dymk> oh perfect, thanks 2015-01-14T09:15:36 < dymk> the relevant documentation for these chips isn't the easiest to find imo 2015-01-14T09:15:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-71-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T09:15:50 < zyp> you get used to it 2015-01-14T09:18:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T09:20:05 < dongs> dymk on timecube: 2015-01-14T09:20:06 < dongs> < dymk> yt video i'm watching on it looks like it'll be really, really useful 2015-01-14T09:20:15 < dongs> < dymk> this is awesome, it generates initialization code as well 2015-01-14T09:20:30 < zyp> haha 2015-01-14T09:21:09 < dymk> i thought timecube was something different than mxcube? 2015-01-14T09:21:58 < dymk> anyways, passout time, nn 2015-01-14T09:22:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T09:22:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-14T09:22:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T09:22:11 < zyp> hey dongs, I still owe you money 2015-01-14T09:22:12 < dymk> thanks again, i'll be back tomorrow to noob it up some more 2015-01-14T09:22:29 < zyp> you still haven't told me how much 2015-01-14T09:23:20 < zyp> for the l0 stuff and the other parts 2015-01-14T09:30:00 < dongs> ah right 2015-01-14T09:30:10 < dongs> i think it waw sjust l0 + RS485 sdhit, the rest was written off already logn time ago 2015-01-14T09:30:21 < dongs> ill deal with it later 2015-01-14T09:30:23 < dongs> i need to innovate some shit 2015-01-14T09:31:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T09:33:01 < zyp> wasn't l0 like $1? 2015-01-14T09:33:21 < zyp> so I guess $25 will cover everything, so I'll just paypal you that 2015-01-14T09:34:15 < zyp> done 2015-01-14T09:34:29 < dongs> asshole ;p 2015-01-14T09:34:30 < dongs> k 2015-01-14T09:37:43 < dongs> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn 2015-01-14T09:37:45 < dongs> :rolleyes: 2015-01-14T09:38:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-116-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-14T09:44:46 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14T09:46:00 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T09:46:16 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:01:02 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:09:04 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14T10:12:29 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:15:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T10:15:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:18:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2015-01-14T10:19:12 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:21:05 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:23:59 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-14T10:31:21 < zyp> «you asshole, fuck you for giving me money» :p 2015-01-14T10:34:49 < dongs> mostly cuz i couldn charge you more :) 2015-01-14T10:35:26 < zyp> I can send you another $25 if you rather wanted $50 2015-01-14T10:43:33 < dongs> no its cool 2015-01-14T10:43:38 < dongs> im too busy to figure out proper invoice anyway 2015-01-14T10:43:48 < dongs> i gotta innovate some shit I already sold thaT I need to deliver in 3 weeks 2015-01-14T10:43:51 < dongs> and I dont evne ahve schematic :( 2015-01-14T10:45:47 -!- edmont [~edmont@quagmire.cedint.upm.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T10:47:35 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! 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I found a suitable linker .ld for stm32L152B, so next, what is a good startup.s to use or is whatever gcc does safe for mucking about? 2015-01-14T12:49:06 < zyp> startup code should go hand in hand with linker script 2015-01-14T12:49:55 < zyp> also, it doesn't have to be written in assembly, cortex-m is designed to start directly into C (by initializing the stack in hardware before executing the reset handler) 2015-01-14T12:50:38 < zyp> if you're determined to write everything on your own from ground up, you can easily do your own startup code 2015-01-14T12:50:57 < zyp> and if not I'm recommending that you'll select a library that comes with usable linker scripts and startup code 2015-01-14T12:51:37 < zyp> libopencm3 is probably a good option for the latter 2015-01-14T12:56:11 < Roklobsta> ok 2015-01-14T12:56:33 < Roklobsta> i am poking around the STMcubr stuff, the Truestudio templates has the goodies. 2015-01-14T12:57:40 < Roklobsta> it's been 5 long years since i did anything like this so i am scraping off the rust, so to speak. 2015-01-14T13:03:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T13:04:08 < Roklobsta> oh i see, vector.c in libopencm3 2015-01-14T13:12:23 < dongs> ur a vector.c 2015-01-14T13:12:55 < dongs> so, i trolled on zano forum, my post got 'sorta' replied to in a tone-argument kinda way, my internet lawyer friend says I should be emailing gawker/hackaday/drop-kicker immediately 2015-01-14T13:13:23 < karlp> are you deepblue? or don't you want to say in public? 2015-01-14T13:13:37 < dongs> haha no im dongs 2015-01-14T13:13:42 < dongs> deepblue is what made me sign up 2015-01-14T13:15:33 < zyp> zano? 2015-01-14T13:15:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone 2015-01-14T13:16:07 < zyp> oh, heh 2015-01-14T13:16:51 < zyp> so, what's wrong with it? 2015-01-14T13:16:55 < zyp> looks heavy for the size 2015-01-14T13:17:05 < dongs> eveything 2015-01-14T13:17:53 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=137&start=60#p2218 i outlined some of whats wrong here, though not everything. biggest roadblock is mcu>wifi connection + claims of streaming live video 2015-01-14T13:18:54 < dongs> the guy immediately posted a huge ragepost and locked hte thread ;p 2015-01-14T13:21:07 < dongs> All I can see you have done is try to launch an attack on me, my company and our reputations without once saying who you are, who you work for and what your affiliations are. 2015-01-14T13:21:15 < dongs> i really dont see how this is relevant 2015-01-14T13:21:20 < dongs> he kept repeating that shit to deepblue also 2015-01-14T13:21:22 < dongs> "identify yourself" 2015-01-14T13:21:23 < dongs> wtf is that shit 2015-01-14T13:21:48 < zyp> sounds like conspiracy theorist bullshit 2015-01-14T13:21:52 < dongs> Dongs, Esq. Professional IRC Troll for over 2 decades. 2015-01-14T13:22:20 < zyp> «oh no, people from competitors are out to ruin our reputation» 2015-01-14T13:22:30 < dongs> ya but 2015-01-14T13:22:46 < dongs> before i brought it up there was no mention their trash was using PIC32MZ, huhu 2015-01-14T13:22:47 < Roklobsta> dongs: scroll down to the "Some warning signs.." bit. http://www.ka9q.net/crackpots/index.html 2015-01-14T13:23:32 < dongs> haha 2015-01-14T13:24:09 < Roklobsta> KA9Q works at Qualcomm and has seen it all. 2015-01-14T13:27:00 < Roklobsta> the kickstarters are getting good at the shiny. 2015-01-14T13:27:10 < dongs> http://comicneue.com/ 2015-01-14T13:30:35 < Roklobsta> "without once saying who you are," Well, if he doesn't know who dongs is he's camping. 2015-01-14T13:32:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-14T13:35:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T13:35:49 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has left ##stm32 ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 2015-01-14T13:35:58 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T13:36:21 < Roklobsta> dongs: their head of marketing is a footballer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reece_Crowther 2015-01-14T13:37:28 < Roklobsta> and https://www.linkedin.com/pub/reece-crowther/a9/12/a1b 2015-01-14T13:38:12 < dongs> surely just a name coincidence? 2015-01-14T13:38:38 < Roklobsta> same guy, look at linkedin 2015-01-14T13:38:58 < dongs> laff 2015-01-14T13:39:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T13:39:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T13:39:29 < Roklobsta> you'd need to look up torqing group to see if they have cred, been around since 1990 apparently. 2015-01-14T13:40:05 < dongs> i did, i found nothing useful 2015-01-14T13:40:19 < dongs> just some retarded PRs, apparently the biggest thing they did was integrating some dudes tax package wiht some other shit 2015-01-14T13:40:30 < zyp> hmm, so that thing is not an outright scam, it just won't deliver all the features they claim 2015-01-14T13:41:30 < Roklobsta> it's a great idea. 2015-01-14T13:41:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T13:41:56 < dongs> zyp, video link wont happen, image / cv stuff wont happen on PIC 2015-01-14T13:42:02 < zyp> the power consumption you're citing should still be less than the motors, so it doesn't really seem like an absolute dealbreaker 2015-01-14T13:42:22 < zyp> yeah, no chance of doing any proper cv 2015-01-14T13:42:38 < karlp> cv means what in this context? 2015-01-14T13:42:41 < dongs> zyp, of course, but at 350mAh thats like 2.1A for 10 minutes, in one of hte demo videos he has props cycling front/back and the ammeter on the power supply jumps between 1.6-3A 2015-01-14T13:42:42 < zyp> but a poor video link shouldn't be all that impossible 2015-01-14T13:42:50 < dongs> karlp: computer vision, shit they claim 2015-01-14T13:42:56 < dongs> object tracking, face recognition, bla bla 2015-01-14T13:43:02 < Roklobsta> er, how does the wifi work to your phone when you are out in woop woop and there is no ap? does the device act like an AP station? 2015-01-14T13:43:09 < Roklobsta> i mean bridge? 2015-01-14T13:43:14 < dongs> Roklobsta: device becomes shitty AP 2015-01-14T13:43:21 < zyp> or phone could be 2015-01-14T13:43:21 < dongs> all the current shit does this 2015-01-14T13:43:25 < zyp> or it could do ad-hoc 2015-01-14T13:43:32 < dongs> obviously you lose internet connectivity with your current AP if you had any 2015-01-14T13:43:38 < Roklobsta> i don't know if iphones to adhoc 2015-01-14T13:43:38 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-14T13:43:41 < Roklobsta> do 2015-01-14T13:44:04 < zyp> well, wifi to device shit already exists, that's nothing new 2015-01-14T13:44:31 < Roklobsta> ok but it has to act as an ap 2015-01-14T13:44:36 < zyp> yes 2015-01-14T13:44:43 < zyp> that's what my gopro does, for instance 2015-01-14T13:45:01 < Roklobsta> ok 2015-01-14T13:45:06 < Roklobsta> 802.11n 300Mbit? 2015-01-14T13:45:26 < zyp> probably 150 2015-01-14T13:45:52 < zyp> IIRC each n stream is 150, and 300 is just a marketing term for 2x2 MIMO 2015-01-14T13:46:05 < Roklobsta> yep 2015-01-14T13:46:27 < Roklobsta> well, how would it home back to your iphone? 2015-01-14T13:46:35 < Roklobsta> gps i guiess 2015-01-14T13:46:38 < dongs> Roklobsta: 150mbit from AP, but link from AP to mcu (on that particular module) is very bandwidth limited 2015-01-14T13:47:01 < dongs> 900k max if using usb, otherwise pathetic ~100k 2015-01-14T13:47:09 < zyp> dongs, what about SDIO? 2015-01-14T13:47:12 < Roklobsta> dongs: yeah i can see that. they'd be better off using some mega DSP/ARM thing from TI. 2015-01-14T13:47:34 < Roklobsta> still to stream you need mp4 2015-01-14T13:47:37 < dongs> zyp, he didnt adress that part, just the camera>usb bridge shit :) 2015-01-14T13:47:48 < zyp> I mean SDIO for wifi 2015-01-14T13:47:48 < dongs> zyp, it seems theres no sdio? 2015-01-14T13:47:54 < dongs> yes, but the module hes using has no sdio 2015-01-14T13:48:05 < zyp> idk what module he's using 2015-01-14T13:48:12 < dongs> Serial Interface 2015-01-14T13:48:12 < dongs> Two Serial CMOS Ports 1200 to 921.6 Kbps 2015-01-14T13:48:20 < Roklobsta> h264 is not exactly cheap computationally. 2015-01-14T13:48:22 < dongs> USB 2.0 (12 Mbps) Full Speed Device port interfaces for connection to an upstream USB 2015-01-14T13:48:25 < dongs> host device. 2015-01-14T13:48:33 < dongs> Configurable master SPI interface that can be clocked at 30MHz 2015-01-14T13:48:34 < dongs> huh 2015-01-14T13:48:36 < dongs> Master SPI? 2015-01-14T13:48:43 < dongs> http://www.lantronix.com/pdf/xPico-Wi-Fi_UG.pdf 2015-01-14T13:50:31 < Roklobsta> well June isn't far away 2015-01-14T13:50:38 < dongs> or even end of january 2015-01-14T13:50:44 < dongs> when they claim will deliver "real" video 2015-01-14T13:53:06 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d43233.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-14T13:59:50 < Roklobsta> TI Davinci DSP can do real time h.264 2015-01-14T14:00:12 < Roklobsta> 1080P@30fps on DM368 2015-01-14T14:00:27 < dongs> how much power does it need while doing that 2015-01-14T14:01:33 < Roklobsta> Read this over your ramen. http://www.ti.com/product/tms320dm368?keyMatch=dm368&tisearch=Search-EN 2015-01-14T14:01:35 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:01:35 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-14T14:01:35 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:02:41 < Roklobsta> I'm trying to find valid examples of embedded h.264 2015-01-14T14:05:33 < dongs> theres single chip stuff from ITE 2015-01-14T14:05:42 < dongs> they tried to sell it to me at last years broadcast expo 2015-01-14T14:05:48 < dongs> its asic or wahever, single purpose stuff 2015-01-14T14:05:51 < dongs> TI shit is DSP 2015-01-14T14:06:20 < dongs> ITE stuff was actually not horible 2015-01-14T14:06:24 < dongs> other than a giant tqfp package 2015-01-14T14:06:27 < dongs> it was like 14x14 or someshti 2015-01-14T14:07:10 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-14T14:07:22 < dongs> Roklobsta: one of my pals clients is linked to that goale guy 2015-01-14T14:07:25 < dongs> lulz 2015-01-14T14:07:34 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:07:44 < Roklobsta> it's a small world. 2015-01-14T14:07:54 < Lerg> Hi. I am trying to use USART with STM32F0 discovery. I am using Eclipse as the IDE for arm. I am following a tutorial on the internet. Everything seems fine, the source is compiling, however it is not linking. The error is "undefined reference to `USART_Init'", I am assume I need to somehow specify linking library, but I don't know which or how exactly. 2015-01-14T14:08:01 < Lerg> Any help is appreciated. 2015-01-14T14:08:10 < dongs> you need to link stdperiphlib 2015-01-14T14:08:11 < dongs> for f0. 2015-01-14T14:08:30 < Lerg> like -lstdperiphlib ? 2015-01-14T14:08:41 < Roklobsta> ITE? like the ISA bus chip guys? 2015-01-14T14:08:41 < dongs> no, its stuff you might have a very hard time finding from ST 2015-01-14T14:08:45 < dongs> Roklobsta: yes 2015-01-14T14:08:52 < dongs> they make a bunch of video rlated shit 2015-01-14T14:08:57 < dongs> hdmi/displayport/analog etc 2015-01-14T14:09:08 < dongs> i think their video shit came from honetech or someshit when they bought it, i duno 2015-01-14T14:09:12 < dongs> anyway, they do make it. 2015-01-14T14:09:45 < dongs> Lerg: http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257884 2015-01-14T14:09:50 < Roklobsta> well whatever it is, a kickstarter won't have it. 2015-01-14T14:10:04 < dongs> Lerg: http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/st_prod_software_internet/resource/technical/software/firmware/stm32f0_stdperiph_lib.zip 2015-01-14T14:10:10 < dongs> dat url 2015-01-14T14:10:19 < Lerg> dongs: I have the source files for that lib, but I can't setup eclipse to use it 2015-01-14T14:10:30 < dongs> just add teh needed ones to project 2015-01-14T14:10:34 < Lerg> it is compiling, but not linking 2015-01-14T14:10:40 < dongs> huh, sure it is 2015-01-14T14:10:45 < dongs> maybe theres a _conf 2015-01-14T14:10:50 < Roklobsta> add the path? 2015-01-14T14:10:50 < dongs> where you need to enable stuff 2015-01-14T14:11:09 < Lerg> hm 2015-01-14T14:11:09 < dongs> .conf.h that has USE_USART type shit 2015-01-14T14:11:15 < dongs> i duno if f0 had that 2015-01-14T14:11:23 < Lerg> no conf file 2015-01-14T14:13:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:15:26 < dongs> The format of the photos taken will be JPEG (JPG) and the videos currently are MPG. 2015-01-14T14:15:29 < dongs> haha 2015-01-14T14:15:32 < dongs> wat 2015-01-14T14:15:34 < dongs> MPG 2015-01-14T14:15:43 < Roklobsta> 2?4? 2015-01-14T14:15:48 < Roklobsta> 1? 2015-01-14T14:15:55 < dongs> MJPEG, progbably 2015-01-14T14:15:56 < dongs> lulz 2015-01-14T14:15:57 < Roklobsta> mpeg 2015-01-14T14:15:59 < Roklobsta> hahah 2015-01-14T14:16:05 < dongs> on a 200mhz dickPIC 2015-01-14T14:16:06 < Roklobsta> animated gifs 2015-01-14T14:17:09 < zyp> dongs, fun fact: «pikk» is the norwegian spelling of dick, which is pronounced like PIC 2015-01-14T14:17:51 < dongs> heh 2015-01-14T14:21:55 < pulsar> Lerg: open project properties -> c/c++ general -> Paths and Symbols -> Source Location Tab, edit the 2nd filter in that list. *_usart.c will be "blacklisted" here. 2015-01-14T14:23:59 < Lerg> pulsar: thank you! 2015-01-14T14:27:12 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-14T14:27:12 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:28:16 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:29:33 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14T14:33:05 -!- 17WAAW6ZV [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T14:44:05 < Roklobsta> hello thursday 2015-01-14T14:44:06 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-14T14:44:13 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14T14:49:51 < karlp> donggyland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NewiSNS-vLk 2015-01-14T14:52:43 < dongs> w t f 2015-01-14T15:18:04 < Steffanx> how its "w t f" isn't it regular jappystuff? 2015-01-14T15:18:47 < Steffanx> even a jewish kippah at the end 2015-01-14T15:36:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T15:42:37 < PeterM> i dont even know how the cookware performed, or if the thing tasted any good, or if any boobs were shows, what is the purpose of this video? 2015-01-14T15:47:45 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T15:48:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T15:50:56 < GargantuaSauce> the purpose was GOOD JOB 2015-01-14T15:51:19 < GargantuaSauce> it's deep social commentary u wouldnt get it 2015-01-14T15:52:13 -!- debris` [debris@static.6.251.243.136.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T15:53:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T16:03:16 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T16:07:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-14T16:11:07 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-14T16:12:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T16:38:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T16:40:40 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T16:48:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T16:59:49 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T17:02:50 < dongs> lol guise look wat i found 2015-01-14T17:02:50 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m769081.aspx 2015-01-14T17:05:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T17:06:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14T17:08:00 < Steffanx> google detective. 2015-01-14T17:08:08 < Steffanx> (R)(TM) 2015-01-14T17:09:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T17:13:54 < dongs> hm no, reading it, PMP is actually more like FSMC than DCMI 2015-01-14T17:14:03 < dongs> its just address/data bus + some timing crap 2015-01-14T17:14:49 < dongs> and 99% of examples out there are using it to drive LCD 2015-01-14T17:18:40 < Laurenceb> lulweut 2015-01-14T17:18:42 < Laurenceb> http://www.vmsk.org/ 2015-01-14T17:19:34 < emeb> VMSK is bunk 2015-01-14T17:19:53 < Laurenceb> shannon says it cant work 2015-01-14T17:20:00 < dongs> dat websait 2015-01-14T17:20:03 < emeb> I actually saw a presentation by that guy at a conference once - he's a total snake-oil dude 2015-01-14T17:20:05 < dongs> much old 2015-01-14T17:20:51 < emeb> rebuttal (also old) -> http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/critique.html 2015-01-14T17:21:13 < Laurenceb> haha 2015-01-14T17:21:14 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_minimum_shift_keying 2015-01-14T17:21:17 < Laurenceb> ragepage 2015-01-14T17:23:54 < emeb> basically the reason he thinks it's narrowband is that there's so much energy in the clock that when you look at it on a spectrum analyzer it's easy to miss the data carrying portion which is way down in the noise. 2015-01-14T17:24:16 < emeb> IOW it's horribly inefficient. 2015-01-14T17:24:45 < _Sync_> hhat the srs fuk 2015-01-14T17:25:07 < _Sync_> emeb: because his analyzer is shitty 2015-01-14T17:25:26 < _Sync_> if he'd use a proper TDM spec he'd probably see what he wants 2015-01-14T17:25:45 < emeb> http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/critique.html 2015-01-14T17:25:57 < emeb> derp 2015-01-14T17:26:05 < emeb> haha -> http://m.myfoxal.com/myfoxal/db_330638/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=kMnMIwAZ 2015-01-14T17:26:31 < emeb> "that's not funny" 2015-01-14T17:28:15 < dongs> https://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/x264-devel/2014-September/010800.html 2015-01-14T17:29:40 < emeb> that's rich 2015-01-14T17:30:09 < englishman> dongs: very high quality trolling in zano thread 2015-01-14T17:30:55 * Laurenceb awards PhD in trolling 2015-01-14T17:32:03 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airdroids/the-pocket-drone-your-personal-flying-robot oh did these dicks ever deliver? 2015-01-14T17:32:07 < dongs> just opened front page, checking UPDATES 2015-01-14T17:32:19 < dongs> Estimated delivery: Jun 2014 2015-01-14T17:32:30 < dongs> We are also proud that our project has been selected from numerous other hardware innovations as a finalist at the TechCrunch Hardware Battlefield 2014 at Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas 2015-01-14T17:32:46 < dongs> Jan 14 2015 Pocket Drone Shipping and Setup 2015-01-14T17:32:47 < dongs> LOL 2015-01-14T17:33:17 < dongs> well looks lik they at least made someshit 2015-01-14T17:33:22 < dongs> half a yuear later 2015-01-14T17:33:34 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/003/006/460/ae776344c19b027206e04a94ab1712dd_large.jpg?1417668830 2015-01-14T17:33:38 < dongs> ohhh 2015-01-14T17:33:38 < dongs> atmega2560 2015-01-14T17:33:40 < dongs> fucking innovation 2015-01-14T17:33:43 < dongs> god damn 2015-01-14T17:33:57 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/923/164/82c99b6366e8b0ceb953bb193efa15f6_large.JPG?1416206222 2015-01-14T17:34:00 < dongs> haha 2015-01-14T17:34:05 < dongs> tarduplanner 2015-01-14T17:34:08 < dongs> k, closing page. 2015-01-14T17:35:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-14T17:37:34 < emeb> http://imgur.com/a/i2Kjj 2015-01-14T17:37:49 < dongs> god damn 2015-01-14T17:37:55 < dongs> i kept seeing that fucking 'imgur best of' shit on top 2015-01-14T17:38:00 < dongs> i thought all the crap people were linking was from that 2015-01-14T17:38:03 < dongs> turned out it was some fucking ad 2015-01-14T17:38:12 < emeb> trolled 2015-01-14T17:38:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T17:39:24 < Laurenceb> i keep seeing this stupid foxcatcher trailer on youtube 2015-01-14T17:39:47 < Laurenceb> need to swap "a coach is" for "a PhD supervisor is" 2015-01-14T17:39:53 < dongs> what does the bsdfox say~~~ 2015-01-14T17:40:26 < karlp> nothing, it's dead? 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2015-01-14T18:07:57 -!- indy_ is now known as indy 2015-01-14T18:08:42 < Laurenceb> hmm managed to get the timing right 2015-01-14T18:08:43 < Laurenceb> (gdb) break main.c:62 2015-01-14T18:08:43 < Laurenceb> No source file named main.c. 2015-01-14T18:08:45 < Laurenceb> WTF 2015-01-14T18:08:52 < dongs> try man.c 2015-01-14T18:08:54 < Laurenceb> any idea whats screwed? 2015-01-14T18:08:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-14T18:11:14 < Laurenceb> (gdb) info sources 2015-01-14T18:11:14 < Laurenceb> Source files for which symbols have been read in: lib/CMSIS_CM3/startup/gcc/startup_stm32f10x_md.s 2015-01-14T18:11:16 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-14T18:11:25 < Laurenceb> its not entering main 2015-01-14T18:11:40 < dongs> ZaNOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s 2015-01-14T18:12:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-32-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T18:14:45 < 17WAAW6ZV> Laurenceb: I think the VMSK guy is currently teaming up with that italian rossi to produce the carrier energy... 2015-01-14T18:14:56 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-14T18:15:35 < Laurenceb> i see the problem now 2015-01-14T18:15:40 -!- 17WAAW6ZV is now known as decimad 2015-01-14T18:15:42 < Laurenceb> i have no isr_vectors section 2015-01-14T18:15:57 < decimad> maybe it's called startup 2015-01-14T18:16:08 < decimad> somehow the script I have in use calls it that way 2015-01-14T18:16:52 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T18:19:45 -!- Elek101 [~textual@223.149-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T18:20:42 -!- Elek101 [~textual@223.149-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-14T18:20:56 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-14T18:21:00 < Laurenceb> this is very odd 2015-01-14T18:21:18 < decimad> But it is good to know that I only have to output Megawatts on a single spectrum line for my circuits to be approved by RCC 2015-01-14T18:23:49 < Laurenceb> ive got two projects, one builds fine and one has no isr_vectors 2015-01-14T18:23:56 < Laurenceb> perplexing 2015-01-14T18:28:19 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T18:28:41 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/tree/master 2015-01-14T18:28:55 < Laurenceb> anyone want to pull this and find the error? 2015-01-14T18:29:23 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/tree/master <-screwed 2015-01-14T18:29:29 < Laurenceb> erm 2015-01-14T18:29:35 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/dis.asm 2015-01-14T18:30:37 < dongs> y u dis 2015-01-14T18:31:12 < Laurenceb> to find the error - it should start at 0x800000000000000000000000000000000000 2015-01-14T18:31:39 < Laurenceb> but theres no isr_vectors 2015-01-14T18:31:59 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.253.55] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-14T18:33:12 -!- e-motion [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T18:34:38 < Laurenceb> it should be setup as an exact replica of one of my other projects 2015-01-14T18:34:46 < Laurenceb> i cant see any changes :S 2015-01-14T18:44:23 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T18:47:23 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9831701 2015-01-14T18:47:28 < Laurenceb> does that look sane? 2015-01-14T18:55:07 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-14T19:04:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-14T19:14:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.189] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T19:15:57 < Laurenceb> hmm ok i misunderstood 2015-01-14T19:16:00 < Laurenceb> but still 2015-01-14T19:16:08 < Laurenceb> info sources is only showing the startup file 2015-01-14T19:17:41 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-d9bbf0ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T19:19:13 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14T19:30:28 < Laurenceb> ok its a GCC problem 2015-01-14T19:30:35 < Laurenceb> GCC isnt generating debugging info 2015-01-14T19:30:41 < Laurenceb> ill pastebin 2015-01-14T19:31:09 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9831797 2015-01-14T19:31:53 < Laurenceb> any ideas? 2015-01-14T19:34:32 < jpa-> maybe because you are not giving it '-g' anywhere? 2015-01-14T19:34:39 < Laurenceb> i am 2015-01-14T19:34:47 < jpa-> not in the paste of the linker line 2015-01-14T19:35:07 < jpa-> IIRC it strippity strips the debugging stuffies if you link with gcc without -g 2015-01-14T19:35:07 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-14T19:35:15 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-14T19:35:28 < jpa-> i always just give CFLAGS to linking step also 2015-01-14T19:37:58 < Laurenceb> ah it worked 2015-01-14T19:38:00 < Laurenceb> thanks 2015-01-14T19:38:12 < jpa-> have fun debugging 2015-01-14T19:41:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-14T19:45:26 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T19:48:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T19:56:02 < Laurenceb> if i can get that far 2015-01-14T19:56:09 < Laurenceb> st-util is failing epically 2015-01-14T20:05:30 < Laurenceb> in fact 2015-01-14T20:05:43 < Laurenceb> st-util might as well be unconnected to gdb 2015-01-14T20:05:50 < Laurenceb> for the amount of sensoe its making 2015-01-14T20:08:41 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:08:43 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:10:02 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:17:21 < zyp> I guess that's why everybody else already stopped using st-util 2015-01-14T20:18:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-98f670d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:20:00 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twyiybgrforisblf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-14T20:42:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T20:43:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:47:08 -!- Luggi09 [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:47:27 -!- e-motion [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T20:48:42 < Getty> zyp: what is the alternative? 2015-01-14T20:48:52 < Getty> zyp: openocd? 2015-01-14T20:49:11 < zyp> people say it's better nowadays 2015-01-14T20:49:29 < Getty> i will retry that as i have a lot of problems recently with st-util and st-flash 2015-01-14T20:49:54 < Getty> which i didnt had before, but since i am into the bootloader thing it seems that my shenenigans there are making him hate me 2015-01-14T20:50:25 < Getty> SHE.... st-util must be a she... for sure..... 2015-01-14T20:51:52 -!- e-motion [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T20:52:44 < jpa-> openocd is pretty good nowadays after you bother to write the script 2015-01-14T20:54:27 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T21:07:21 < PaulFertser> Getty: also, OpenOCD is in active development and has a wide user community. 2015-01-14T21:09:36 < PaulFertser> I'm told texane stlink is getting confused by flaky SWD connection, OpenOCD used to have this issue too, but it's fixed now, you can fully disconnect the target and then reconnect, and OpenOCD will pick it up. 2015-01-14T21:10:48 < PaulFertser> In the most typical usecase you do not even need to write a script, just specify your adapter and your target. 2015-01-14T21:11:44 < Getty> st-util actually doesnt work more like randomly... no matter what i restart or reconnect or power cycle ;-) 2015-01-14T21:12:11 < Getty> if its in bitch mode it just reports unknown chip all the time, and .... yeah ... i tried all combinations... i made me mad 2015-01-14T21:13:59 < PaulFertser> Getty: so just switch to something that's supported ;) BTW, ST is contributing to OpenOCD directly nowadays. 2015-01-14T21:14:36 < Getty> i was just using it as it was literally in the makefile and i had a working setup right there, i didnt actually picked it really, but since i had the trouble now (really first time) anything goes ;) 2015-01-14T21:15:22 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-14T21:23:19 < PaulFertser> emeb: does erase work? 2015-01-14T21:23:30 < PaulFertser> emeb: I'm now looking at your last log line-by-line. 2015-01-14T21:23:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-14T21:23:40 < PaulFertser> But it doesn't seem to contain erase. 2015-01-14T21:26:18 < PaulFertser> emeb: it indeed seems like only the first 1024 bytes get flashed, I'll try to understand what happens next. 2015-01-14T21:30:18 < qyx_> dongs: meh, this R820T has weird sensitivity 2015-01-14T21:30:41 < qyx_> i mean, china mate E4000 dongle or whatever is it is much more sensitive than china mate R820T dongle 2015-01-14T21:30:44 < qyx_> *made 2015-01-14T21:33:32 < emeb> PaulFertser: Erase seems to work 2015-01-14T21:33:59 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T21:34:08 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T21:34:14 < emeb> in my coding makefile I have the 'erase' option set, and when I use the erase command it works too. 2015-01-14T21:34:24 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Ydxwgbw.jpg 2015-01-14T21:34:29 < Laurenceb> secret project 2015-01-14T21:34:34 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T21:34:44 < emeb> purty 2015-01-14T21:38:45 < qyx_> Laurenceb: whats that 2015-01-14T21:38:51 < qyx_> tracker? 2015-01-14T21:39:01 < Laurenceb> yeah, balloon board 2015-01-14T21:42:15 < qyx_> and hows your software gps? 2015-01-14T21:45:29 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-14T21:50:56 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-14T21:51:01 < Laurenceb> yeah one day maybe 2015-01-14T21:51:05 < Laurenceb> its got ublox on it 2015-01-14T21:51:26 * Laurenceb is having DMA issues 2015-01-14T21:51:31 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c 2015-01-14T21:51:50 < Laurenceb> line 572 2015-01-14T21:52:00 < Laurenceb> i never get a DMA complete interrupt 2015-01-14T21:52:12 < qyx_> where did you steal this code? 2015-01-14T21:53:09 < Laurenceb> I wrote it all 2015-01-14T21:53:39 < qyx_> nice, i am going to steal it from you then 2015-01-14T21:53:44 < Laurenceb> heh go ahead 2015-01-14T21:53:52 < Laurenceb> the DMA callback needs fixing 2015-01-14T21:53:58 < Laurenceb> but ill keep you updated 2015-01-14T21:54:12 < Laurenceb> so far I've got it sending one command then failing as DMa is in the wrong state 2015-01-14T21:54:26 < qyx_> i will see if my lazyness level lowers a bit 2015-01-14T21:54:26 < Laurenceb> silabs is alive - i see it toggling the CTS line 2015-01-14T21:54:32 < gxti> what kind of moron steals code from Laurenceb 2015-01-14T21:54:34 < gxti> oh wait, i do 2015-01-14T21:54:37 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-14T21:54:47 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T21:55:29 < Laurenceb> DMA isr is in the disassembly 2015-01-14T21:55:33 < Laurenceb> * is in 2015-01-14T21:58:50 < Laurenceb> oh wait 2015-01-14T21:59:03 < Laurenceb> i need to hook up the DMA request to the peripheral 2015-01-14T22:07:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T22:08:38 < Laurenceb> i seem to have write only comms to st-util 2015-01-14T22:08:50 < Laurenceb> it sets breakpoints then doesnt break in gdb :S 2015-01-14T22:08:54 < Laurenceb> board clearly breaks 2015-01-14T22:11:57 < Laurenceb> st-util== unusable 2015-01-14T22:12:31 < Steffanx> st-util is texane stuff not? 2015-01-14T22:13:41 < Steffanx> lol your code Laurenceb 2015-01-14T22:13:56 < Laurenceb> ive been trying to connect for 45minutes 2015-01-14T22:14:02 < PaulFertser> emeb: so what I can tell you at the current point: it looks like the log and the current code correspond to the documentation nicely. The code is using ROM functions to flash. The first IAP call (prepare sectors) succeeds. The next call (write sectors) doesn't, it ends up in hardfault. One possible reason would be that LPC violated their own doc and is using more than 148 bytes of stack. That 2015-01-14T22:14:08 < PaulFertser> would be trivial to check by using more stack if you edit lpc2000_info->iap_max_stack assignment in lpc2000.c. 2015-01-14T22:14:25 < Steffanx> lets set the same byte to 0x00 three times @ line 387 Laurenceb? 2015-01-14T22:14:35 < PaulFertser> emeb: if that doesn't help, I'd manually fill in the necessary IAP parameters and would try to use gdb instruction stepping to follow the IAP code. 2015-01-14T22:15:13 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: come one, current OpenOCD works better with stlink than texane. It also outputs more info to help debugging issues. 2015-01-14T22:15:18 < Laurenceb> hmm well spotted 2015-01-14T22:15:26 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: ok thanks 2015-01-14T22:15:28 < Steffanx> you do it on multiple places :P 2015-01-14T22:15:31 < Laurenceb> ill try that tomorrow 2015-01-14T22:15:36 < bvernoux> BlackMagic Probe work fine too 2015-01-14T22:15:38 < Laurenceb> c&p issues 2015-01-14T22:16:07 < Laurenceb> yeah ill buy a blackmagic 2015-01-14T22:16:11 < PaulFertser> emeb: as I do not have your board handy, I can't do that usual tinkering this-and-that process to find the real culprit, unfortunately. 2015-01-14T22:16:22 < Laurenceb> im going to rage and smash up my F4discovery at this rate 2015-01-14T22:16:26 < bvernoux> Laurenceb: I have just ported blackmagic for HydraBus ;) 2015-01-14T22:16:34 < bvernoux> it work like a charm 2015-01-14T22:16:35 < Laurenceb> interesting 2015-01-14T22:16:54 < bvernoux> but I recommend buying black magic probe as it's an amazing project to support the author 2015-01-14T22:16:55 < gxti> Laurenceb: i have some spares that i made if you want to buy one 2015-01-14T22:17:13 < Laurenceb> ok thanks 2015-01-14T22:17:16 < Laurenceb> maybe later 2015-01-14T22:17:28 < Laurenceb> i want to try to make st-util work so i can try debugging the dma fixes 2015-01-14T22:17:34 < Laurenceb> but time is not on my side 2015-01-14T22:17:38 < Steffanx> better do it today Laurenceb .. the less yo rage the happier you will be 2015-01-14T22:17:45 < Laurenceb> i only have 10 minutes befor ei have to catch a train 2015-01-14T22:18:00 < Laurenceb> st-util is still failing :-/ 2015-01-14T22:18:21 < bvernoux> I had tons of problems using st-util 2015-01-14T22:18:28 < bvernoux> like flashing problems 2015-01-14T22:18:30 < bvernoux> crash ... 2015-01-14T22:18:40 < bvernoux> EmBlock is very nice too with a STLink debugger 2015-01-14T22:18:47 -!- e-motion [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Quit: pokðt] 2015-01-14T22:18:49 < bvernoux> but work only on Windows ... 2015-01-14T22:18:58 < bvernoux> v3.00 shall work on Linux/MacOS IIRC 2015-01-14T22:19:12 < Steffanx> v3 will be released in 2040 2015-01-14T22:19:28 < bvernoux> yes :( 2015-01-14T22:19:39 < Laurenceb> (gdb) step 2015-01-14T22:19:39 < Laurenceb> Cannot execute this command while the selected thread is running. 2015-01-14T22:19:43 < Laurenceb> ^what does that mean? 2015-01-14T22:19:47 < bvernoux> I check all the time the tickets for 3.00 and nothing change since 3 months ago 2015-01-14T22:20:19 < bvernoux> Steffanx: do you know some guy who work on it as it's very strange there is no access to source code ... 2015-01-14T22:20:32 < bvernoux> it's open source but no access to source code ... 2015-01-14T22:21:45 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-14T22:21:54 < Laurenceb> nope st-util is unfixable 2015-01-14T22:22:04 < Laurenceb> breakpoints etc work fine 2015-01-14T22:22:14 < Laurenceb> but there is no communication back to gdb 2015-01-14T22:22:26 < Laurenceb> so gdb thinks nothing is happening 2015-01-14T22:23:07 < Laurenceb> gxti: I'll be around later, will paypal you 2015-01-14T22:26:49 < PaulFertser> emeb: I'll be back tomorrow. 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2015-01-14T23:40:30 < kakeman> then cofee pours in a container 2015-01-14T23:40:37 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14T23:40:39 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14T23:41:30 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T23:42:01 < Roklobsta> powder in a bag? 2015-01-14T23:43:12 < kakeman> you put a paper bag in it 2015-01-14T23:43:27 < kakeman> then you put coffee powder in a bag 2015-01-14T23:43:41 < Roklobsta> oh a drip filter 2015-01-14T23:44:15 < Roklobsta> it makes bland weak coffe. you need something that forces bioling water through at pressure to extract all flavour and caffeine. 2015-01-14T23:48:31 < kakeman> this will do 2015-01-14T23:54:04 < kakeman> this has thermos bottle so coffee stays warm for hours 2015-01-14T23:54:39 < kakeman> *can? 2015-01-14T23:55:15 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-14T23:55:31 -!- rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-14T23:55:41 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14T23:55:46 -!- rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-14T23:56:11 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14T23:57:01 -!- rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Jan 15 2015 2015-01-15T00:09:39 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T00:12:35 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-15T00:13:51 < kakeman> have you guys set up wireless bridge? 2015-01-15T00:14:18 < kakeman> done set up for* 2015-01-15T00:17:23 < qyx_> yes 2015-01-15T00:17:25 < englishman> kickstarter project just for dongs https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1455085270/the-movie-box 2015-01-15T00:17:32 < kakeman> just wondering if I need to set SSID of bridge side router according to wireless AP side router in order it to work 2015-01-15T00:18:11 < kakeman> in bridge only mode 2015-01-15T00:18:23 < qyx_> what is bridge only mode 2015-01-15T00:18:45 < qyx_> and yes, you usually need to set client ssid the same asi ap ssid to form an association 2015-01-15T00:18:46 < kakeman> there is AP and bridge mode 2015-01-15T00:19:03 < kakeman> but AP mode has bridge features 2015-01-15T00:19:09 < qyx_> which router 2015-01-15T00:19:59 < qyx_> and "bridge mode" differs from "ap infrastructure" mode only in wds 2015-01-15T00:20:11 < qyx_> if you use wds for bridging 2015-01-15T00:20:32 < kakeman> TP-LINK TD-W8960N 2015-01-15T00:20:42 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-210-18.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-15T00:20:46 < qyx_> stock firmware? 2015-01-15T00:20:54 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-15T00:21:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-15T00:21:03 < qyx_> then you probably need to investigate yourself 2015-01-15T00:21:34 < kakeman> lightning destroyed dsl side so I try to find use for this 2015-01-15T00:23:41 < kakeman> i try to change ssid brb> 2015-01-15T00:26:28 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-d9bbf0ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T00:34:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nmhumfmnaxcnjbng] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T00:37:03 < esden> Hey, stupid question: did anyone here use the stm32f429 discovery board together with black magic probe instead of stlink? 2015-01-15T00:42:51 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:3233:0:c885:19c9:5807:335a] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T00:47:15 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-dnklfpkixvqbpvjf] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-15T00:47:15 -!- johntramp [john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T00:47:15 -!- johntramp [john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-15T00:47:15 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-dnklfpkixvqbpvjf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T00:53:16 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh8092114187.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 2015-01-15T00:53:31 < emeb> why? 2015-01-15T00:53:44 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-15T00:54:03 -!- Luggi09 is now known as lux 2015-01-15T00:54:39 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-15T00:54:39 -!- lux is now known as Lux 2015-01-15T00:59:15 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-15T01:06:10 < Laurenceb_> sup 2015-01-15T01:06:14 * Laurenceb_ is back 2015-01-15T01:06:32 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-15T01:06:58 < emeb> yay? 2015-01-15T01:08:13 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T01:10:40 < Laurenceb_> no yay 2015-01-15T01:10:44 < Laurenceb_> just epic rage 2015-01-15T01:10:48 < Laurenceb_> gxti: ping 2015-01-15T01:10:54 < emeb> porque el rage? 2015-01-15T01:11:12 < Laurenceb_> st-util being wierd 2015-01-15T01:11:21 < Laurenceb_> i was struggling for like 3 hours or so 2015-01-15T01:11:28 < emeb> how? 2015-01-15T01:11:34 < Laurenceb_> st-util would connect fine 2015-01-15T01:11:42 < Laurenceb_> then i connect with gdb, no problem 2015-01-15T01:11:47 < Laurenceb_> i set a breakpoint and run 2015-01-15T01:11:51 < Laurenceb_> everything fine 2015-01-15T01:12:15 < Laurenceb_> board obviously reaches breakpoint from LEDs, and st-util debug shows it reached breakpoint 2015-01-15T01:12:25 < Laurenceb_> gdb shows... nothing 2015-01-15T01:12:29 < Laurenceb_> completely dead 2015-01-15T01:12:48 < emeb> hmm. 2015-01-15T01:12:52 < Laurenceb_> so i cant restart it and have to power cycle everything 2015-01-15T01:12:58 < Laurenceb_> repeat a million times 2015-01-15T01:13:28 < emeb> I'm not familiar with using st-util w/ gdb. 2015-01-15T01:13:35 < Laurenceb_> i recently upgraded to new gcc.gdb 2015-01-15T01:13:45 < Laurenceb_> and rearranged my workbench 2015-01-15T01:13:58 < Laurenceb_> there seems to be some noise on the antistatic mat... 2015-01-15T01:14:12 < emeb> only ever used openocd or bmp w/ gdb. 2015-01-15T01:15:02 < emeb> noise on the anti-static mat? wtf? 2015-01-15T01:15:03 < gxti> Laurenceb_: $15 shipped sound ok? 2015-01-15T01:15:19 < Laurenceb_> wow very nice thanks 2015-01-15T01:16:49 < Laurenceb_> do you have paypal? 2015-01-15T01:17:07 < Laurenceb_> emeb: yeah , office power with ground via the earth pin 2015-01-15T01:17:19 < Laurenceb_> i think i may have swapped the ground to another circuit 2015-01-15T01:18:09 < emeb> not good 2015-01-15T01:18:57 < Laurenceb_> like ~5V RMS 50hz 2015-01-15T01:19:24 < emeb> :P 2015-01-15T01:20:54 < emeb> probably very high impedance though 2015-01-15T01:22:23 < qyx_> when i touch my led lamp with scope probe i get 340Vpp 2015-01-15T01:22:30 < Laurenceb_> yeah ... something I've done has screwed things 2015-01-15T01:22:40 < qyx_> and i can even feel it when i touch it 2015-01-15T01:22:44 < Laurenceb_> unless latest gdb changed the protocol :P 2015-01-15T01:24:08 < qyx_> how is that even possible, pri-sec capacitor leak? 2015-01-15T01:24:52 < emeb> qyx_: parasitic capacitance in the power supply. 2015-01-15T01:25:55 < emeb> couples the AC line to the isolated supply. Very high impedance, not enough current to hurt, but it is detectable. 2015-01-15T01:26:16 < emeb> most cheap chinese switching wall-warts will do this. 2015-01-15T01:34:48 < Laurenceb_> unless.... 2015-01-15T01:35:01 < Laurenceb_> i think VCC from my discovery board got broken 2015-01-15T01:35:35 * Laurenceb_ checks discovery schematic 2015-01-15T01:35:44 < emeb> the VCC line in the 6-pin SWD cable isn't actually used on the disco boards 2015-01-15T01:38:57 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2015-01-15T01:39:14 < Laurenceb_> on F4discovery its monitored through a diode 2015-01-15T01:40:43 < emeb> but R13 on the other side of that diode is NA 2015-01-15T01:42:10 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/160514/STM32F4_Discovery_EEPROM-1.jpg 2015-01-15T01:42:14 < Laurenceb_> hmm wtf 2015-01-15T01:42:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2015-01-15T01:42:34 < Laurenceb_> R2 is unpopulated 2015-01-15T01:43:03 < Laurenceb_> back to ground loop hypothesis 2015-01-15T01:43:48 < Laurenceb_> about 1% of the time everything works ok, so its something intermittent 2015-01-15T01:45:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T01:50:07 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-15T01:50:43 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T01:50:45 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T01:51:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T01:53:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-15T01:54:03 * KreAture got all the i2c , spi and adc code in now and still 8.3k used, the hal libs from stm32 cube was using 13k with full optimize and only a few adc things in 2015-01-15T01:54:09 < KreAture> That init shit is so bloated 2015-01-15T02:04:14 < Laurenceb_> thanks for the error spotting Steffanx 2015-01-15T02:05:35 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/commit/6d6cc8e561e4d1c9cd1b8df1852297a95d0bde4f 2015-01-15T02:13:09 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-15T02:13:11 < dymk> Laurenceb_, you seem to have a build artifact checked into your repo 2015-01-15T02:13:17 < dymk> main.map 2015-01-15T02:14:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah lol 2015-01-15T02:15:07 < Laurenceb_> time to fix gitignore :D 2015-01-15T02:19:35 < KreAture> anyone else noticing the hal libs init seems to add a lot of unused code ? 2015-01-15T02:20:58 < qyx_> ok, how do i load stack pointer in c? 2015-01-15T02:21:03 < KreAture> I think it's due to the pointer style init structs now containing the resource reference so that compiler can't see which "if" in the init is actually executed so has to include it all. Since the init contains multiple versions for different resources it gets much larger than if there had been a init for each :) 2015-01-15T02:23:17 < qyx_> am dumb, nvm 2015-01-15T02:24:47 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T02:26:03 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-15T02:26:03 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2015-01-15T02:29:35 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-15T02:29:40 < qyx_> register uint32_t msp __asm("msp"); 2015-01-15T02:30:06 < qyx_> this works but i get "variable msp set but not used" 2015-01-15T02:32:10 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T02:33:55 < gxti> does volatile shut up those warnings? 2015-01-15T02:34:29 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-01-15T02:34:50 < dongs> qyx_: well, the trash pcb + parts + etc could be afactor too 2015-01-15T02:37:43 < qyx_> gxti: i added (void)mst; 2015-01-15T02:37:45 < qyx_> *msp 2015-01-15T02:37:58 < qyx_> no, i can't do volatile with register 2015-01-15T02:38:21 < gxti> that would have been my second choice 2015-01-15T02:41:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:3233:0:c885:19c9:5807:335a] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-15T02:44:47 < gxti> what instruction does that assignment generate? all the startup code and rtos i've seen have an asm block that calls msr directly 2015-01-15T02:45:11 < dongs> there is __MSR() in cmsis i thought? 2015-01-15T02:45:19 < dongs> or someshit 2015-01-15T02:46:33 < qyx_> it is implemented the same 2015-01-15T02:46:42 < qyx_> __set_MSP 2015-01-15T02:46:59 < qyx_> oh, dongle works, bad gain settings 2015-01-15T02:47:11 < qyx_> ok, actually it is better, higher snr 2015-01-15T02:47:23 < dongs> aye 2015-01-15T02:47:33 < dongs> also T2 > T 2015-01-15T02:47:49 < dongs> i hotaired 820T2 on my T dongle and that also dropped liek 10dB from noise 2015-01-15T02:48:17 < qyx_> Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner 2015-01-15T02:48:19 < qyx_> just T 2015-01-15T02:48:24 < dongs> ya 2015-01-15T02:48:29 < dongs> they're pin/command compatible 2015-01-15T02:48:33 < dongs> just better hardware 2015-01-15T02:49:39 < qyx_> meh, i can see about 30dB of LO on output 2015-01-15T02:55:06 < Simon--> ooh. should I haxor my 820T? 2015-01-15T02:55:22 < dongs> only if you have T2, but not really 2015-01-15T02:55:33 < dongs> it was pretty hard to solder that double-sided mess 2015-01-15T02:55:44 < Simon--> I pretty much only use it to figure out why stupid fobs aren't working 2015-01-15T02:55:59 < Simon--> (for which it's actually pretty handy) 2015-01-15T03:06:15 < englishman> Simon--: lol i was doin that last night 2015-01-15T03:06:18 < englishman> saved me $250 :) 2015-01-15T03:06:59 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/SI028GQ.jpg 2015-01-15T03:07:01 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-15T03:07:34 < emeb> dongs: what do those R820T2 cost? 2015-01-15T03:18:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-15T03:21:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T03:22:23 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has quit [] 2015-01-15T03:24:35 < dongs> emeb_mac: um.. samples were like ~nothing 2015-01-15T03:24:43 < dongs> 1-2$ or someshit lemme see 2015-01-15T03:24:51 < emeb_mac> not bad 2015-01-15T03:24:54 < dongs> o 2015-01-15T03:24:55 < dongs> R820T2 QFN24 16 $2.50 2015-01-15T03:24:59 < dongs> well, close enough 2015-01-15T03:25:02 < emeb_mac> kewl 2015-01-15T03:25:26 < emeb_mac> I think I've got a datasheet for those around somewhere. 2015-01-15T03:25:38 < emeb_mac> too bad they're only available from china 2015-01-15T03:26:00 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1420589569683.gif 2015-01-15T03:26:01 < dongs> lool 2015-01-15T03:26:43 < emeb_mac> didn't think that one through all the way 2015-01-15T03:27:18 < emeb_mac> most common thing on the internet: cats 2015-01-15T03:27:26 < emeb_mac> next most: guys doing stupid stuff 2015-01-15T03:29:34 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/IdealisticBelatedBasilisk loool 2015-01-15T03:30:12 < englishman> i got one for you dongs 2015-01-15T03:30:12 < englishman> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7be_1421205519 2015-01-15T03:31:07 < qyx_> apparently nobody got hit 2015-01-15T03:31:34 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Quit: ] 2015-01-15T03:31:51 < dongs> what teh lol 2015-01-15T03:32:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T03:32:47 < emeb_mac> two pedestrian hit&run plus two low-impact rear-enders. 2015-01-15T03:32:53 < emeb_mac> nobody got hit? 2015-01-15T03:33:09 < englishman> emeb probably referring to the rally gif 2015-01-15T03:33:18 < emeb_mac> ah 2015-01-15T03:33:23 < emeb_mac> that was a mess 2015-01-15T03:37:36 < emeb_mac> so any guesses on how long before we can buy an F7 disco? 2015-01-15T03:37:53 < englishman> wasnt it Q2 or Q3 2015? 2015-01-15T03:38:37 < emeb_mac> sounds about right 2015-01-15T03:39:01 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1420723831264.gif murika 2015-01-15T03:39:39 < emeb_mac> fuck yeah 2015-01-15T03:41:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034423012/aura-the-first-ever-wirelessly-powered-christmas-l/description 2015-01-15T03:42:46 < Simon--> englishman: nice ;) 2015-01-15T03:46:10 < englishman> :) 2015-01-15T03:52:30 < emeb_mac> lol japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NewiSNS-vLk 2015-01-15T03:53:44 < dongs> seen 2015-01-15T03:53:49 < dongs> apparently some frying pan commercial 2015-01-15T03:53:58 < Laurenceb_> wohoo 2015-01-15T03:54:13 < Laurenceb_> got my written PhD feedback from examiners 2015-01-15T03:54:40 < dongs> lemme guess: failed? 2015-01-15T03:54:45 < dongs> Laurenceb_: did you see my zano trolling 2015-01-15T03:54:51 < emeb_mac> Dr. Laurenceb yet? 2015-01-15T03:55:18 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=137&start=60#p2218 2015-01-15T03:55:48 < Laurenceb_> "In my optinion this is the most well written and argued I have had the pleasure of examining" 2015-01-15T03:55:54 < Laurenceb_> LikeABoss 2015-01-15T03:56:02 < dongs> Laurenceb_: pffft 2015-01-15T03:56:56 < Laurenceb_> Graduation is 15th March 2015-01-15T03:58:45 < emeb_mac> english - always so polite & complementary. 2015-01-15T03:58:45 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2015-01-15T03:59:22 < emeb_mac> they say "good", they mean "bad". 2015-01-15T03:59:37 < emeb_mac> they say "excellent", they mean "ok" 2015-01-15T04:00:03 < emeb_mac> they say "OMG MOST AWESOME", they mean "good, i guess" 2015-01-15T04:00:59 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T04:03:31 < englishman> cool Laurenceb_ 2015-01-15T04:03:41 < englishman> congrats 2015-01-15T04:09:04 -!- decimad [~quassel@95.91.227.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T04:09:44 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T04:11:44 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T04:12:58 < englishman> found dongs thesis http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guide-Racism-C-Dalton/dp/1592404308/ 2015-01-15T04:21:18 < dongs> attn Laurenceb_ http://www.amazon.com//dp/0781701538/ 2015-01-15T04:39:21 < PeterM> englishman are you sure it isn't http://www.amazon.com/Am-Better-Than-Your-Kids/dp/1439182868/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0C75BWCB3WH6W8VHEKNN 2015-01-15T04:40:00 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nmhumfmnaxcnjbng] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-15T04:53:17 < qyx_> introducing win98-like 32bit systick overflow bug 2015-01-15T05:12:17 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[1] 2015-01-15T05:35:41 < dongs> innovating pretty furiosuly 2015-01-15T05:37:47 < dongs> japtv shit 2015-01-15T05:38:04 < dongs> sold something and need to deliver in 3 weeks and dont even have hardware made 2015-01-15T05:38:57 < dongs> or enclosure 2015-01-15T05:38:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T05:38:57 < dongs> lol. 2015-01-15T05:39:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T06:03:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-15T06:03:03 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T06:05:35 < englishman> hopefully no fpga shit needed 2015-01-15T06:06:37 < dongs> i got some dude looking at my video shit @ 70hr 2015-01-15T06:06:39 < dongs> /hr 2015-01-15T06:06:48 < dongs> R2JEW is missing out 2015-01-15T06:07:10 < englishman> 70/hr doesnt get you a meeting with r2com 2015-01-15T06:07:23 < dongs> thats what it sounds like 2015-01-15T06:07:37 < dongs> meeting wiht R2COM would be like the helicopter in the interview 2015-01-15T06:15:08 < englishman> so much can-butt in volvo 2015-01-15T06:15:31 < englishman> window roller buttons are connected to central power door module via canbutt 2015-01-15T06:15:37 < dongs> nice 2015-01-15T06:15:51 < englishman> steering wheel buttons are connected to central electronics module with canbutt 2015-01-15T06:15:53 < englishman> radio has canbutt 2015-01-15T06:15:56 < englishman> tailgate has canbutt 2015-01-15T06:15:59 < englishman> seat has canbutt 2015-01-15T06:16:24 < dongs> thats what it was designed for 2015-01-15T06:16:24 < englishman> yeah, its cool 2015-01-15T06:16:24 < englishman> multiple busses too 2015-01-15T06:17:25 < englishman> security stuff is separate from general interior electronics 2015-01-15T06:17:27 < dongs> power windows is mission critical 2015-01-15T06:17:33 < englishman> engine stuff is on separate high-speed canbutt 2015-01-15T06:18:15 < qyx_> your steering lags while opening windows 2015-01-15T06:19:40 < englishman> seat controls get values from wireless security system and send commands to mirror control systems so when you unlock with your key the seat and mirrors move to your preset 2015-01-15T06:21:15 < englishman> and this is for a 15-year-old, $35k car 2015-01-15T06:21:17 < englishman> neat 2015-01-15T06:22:43 < qyx_> i would give him a bike 2015-01-15T06:25:44 < emeb_mac> once drove a volvo thru Mexico City. Every time you'd get near the airport the engine would die. 2015-01-15T06:26:13 < emeb_mac> it was like clockwork - must have been something about the radar / comms 2015-01-15T06:26:32 < qyx_> not enough twisting on the canbutt? 2015-01-15T06:26:48 < emeb_mac> who knows 2015-01-15T06:27:16 < emeb_mac> must have made the messicans laugh tho - see a couple of white muricans pushing a volvo down the street 2015-01-15T06:28:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-15T06:35:58 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T06:39:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T06:43:54 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-15T06:50:08 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: so I still suspect a stack size issue. I do not have an lpc822 anywhere handy, so I can either try to guide you through exploring this issue yourself, or if you can arrange me with an ssh access to your gear, that'd work too. 2015-01-15T06:52:29 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: what would you recommend as the first thing I should try? 2015-01-15T06:53:12 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: the first thing would be recompiling from the sources with lpc2000_info->iap_max_stack = 148 changed to some considerably bigger value. 2015-01-15T06:54:20 < PaulFertser> The flashing procedure is generic for all lpc8xx parts (and other lpc parts) and afaict it matches the docs, so the most immediate reason for the IAP call to hardfault might be lack of enough stack. The docs say 148 is enough but who knows. 2015-01-15T06:54:47 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: any chance that updating to latest sources would help? 2015-01-15T06:55:16 < emeb_mac> this is a fairly old copy 2015-01-15T06:55:41 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: the only relevant thing there is that stlink driver got SWD WAIT handling, it might be barely related but I doubt it. Anyway, if you're on os x with homebrew, it's trivial to compile --HEAD instead of 0.8.0 2015-01-15T06:57:43 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: the machine that I've been doing the LPC stuff on is Fedora 17 Linux 2015-01-15T06:59:21 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: self-compiling there from the sources should be straightforward as well. Just install libusb-1.0 dev package, clone the repo, do ./bootstrap; ./configure; make 2015-01-15T06:59:47 < PaulFertser> No tricky parameters needed, stlink support is auto-enabled if you have "libusb-1.0" installed.. 2015-01-15T06:59:58 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: sounds like a good idea 2015-01-15T07:00:32 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: in order to tweak the stack size what's needed? 2015-01-15T07:01:08 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: a text editor and ability to run make (and optionally make install) again. 2015-01-15T07:01:25 < PaulFertser> If you do not want to make install, just run ./src/openocd from the build directory. 2015-01-15T07:01:36 < emeb_mac> ya 2015-01-15T07:01:49 < emeb_mac> I'll head over to that machine and give it a go. 2015-01-15T07:01:53 < emeb_mac> bbiab 2015-01-15T07:01:54 < PaulFertser> It'll use the already installed cfg files by default, but you can change that too when needed with -s option pointing to the tcl directory in the sources. 2015-01-15T07:02:11 < emeb_mac> kk 2015-01-15T07:02:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-15T07:03:08 < dongs> .. tcl 2015-01-15T07:04:38 < PaulFertser> I would choose Lua nowadays. 2015-01-15T07:05:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, did you ever have a need to have an interpreter on a microcontroller? What did you use, probably Forth? 2015-01-15T07:06:03 < PaulFertser> New Lua version was released recently, got official integer support finally. 2015-01-15T07:08:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T07:08:18 < emeb> back 2015-01-15T07:16:51 < dongs> PaulFertser: not yet, but yeah probly lua 2015-01-15T07:16:59 < dongs> definitely not PYTHON 2015-01-15T07:17:04 < dongs> or other similar tarsh 2015-01-15T07:17:08 < dongs> at least lua is readable 2015-01-15T07:20:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T07:26:11 < emeb> PaulFertser: OK - grabbed the 0.9.0 sources, built and trying with the LPC822 2015-01-15T07:28:44 < emeb> trying to get a simple info and not working -> http://pastebin.com/gsevUEtp 2015-01-15T07:29:24 < emeb> using same scripts as before 2015-01-15T07:30:30 < PaulFertser> emeb: yes, please use cortex_m instead of hla_target in your config now. 2015-01-15T07:32:47 < emeb> PaulFertser: OK got a little further, but still error -> Error: 174 7 core.c:1385 adapter_init(): An adapter speed is not selected in the init script. Insert a call to adapter_khz or jtag_rclk to proceed. 2015-01-15T07:35:02 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-15T07:35:31 < emeb> ragequit :) 2015-01-15T07:37:05 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T07:43:06 < emeb> R2COM: no you don't. :) 2015-01-15T07:45:12 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T07:46:10 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-15T07:53:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T07:54:03 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-15T08:06:15 < akaWolf> emeb: just Insert a call to adapter_khz or jtag_rclk to proceed. 2015-01-15T08:06:42 < emeb> akaWolf: yes - adapter_khz did the trick 2015-01-15T08:06:53 < emeb> jtag_rclk doesn't work on stlink-v2 2015-01-15T08:07:02 < akaWolf> mm 2015-01-15T08:08:40 < emeb> anyway - upping the stacksize seems to have made the flash write_image get a little further. 2015-01-15T08:09:12 < emeb> now it writes the whole image, but for some reason it's not erasing the 1st page 2015-01-15T08:09:27 < emeb> so that's mismatching 2015-01-15T08:11:10 < ds2> someone is caching images in a local variable? 2015-01-15T08:11:36 < emeb> hey ds2. 2015-01-15T08:11:42 < emeb> what's new & exciting? 2015-01-15T08:11:52 < ds2> more BBB hacking :D 2015-01-15T08:12:00 < emeb> w00t! 2015-01-15T08:12:09 < ds2> the ADC on the AM335x is WEIRD 2015-01-15T08:12:11 < emeb> Haven't turned on my BBBs for a few months 2015-01-15T08:12:30 < emeb> ds2: yes - 10 bits, 1.8V range 2015-01-15T08:12:43 < ds2> 12bit 2015-01-15T08:12:46 < emeb> I think it was designed for interfacing to resistive touchscreens 2015-01-15T08:12:51 < ds2> but it seems like the range is 0-0.9V 2015-01-15T08:13:06 < ds2> 0.7V generates codes in the 3000 range 2015-01-15T08:13:28 < ds2> had to tweak my bias down to about 0.5V to get codes in the low 2000 range 2015-01-15T08:13:33 < ds2> (mic interface) 2015-01-15T08:14:23 < ds2> lots of games to get the noise level down...don't recall needing that on other platforms like 68HC11's 2015-01-15T08:15:09 < ds2> emeb: how's the year going? 2015-01-15T08:15:15 < emeb> ds2: I'll bet substrate noise on that SoC is horrific 2015-01-15T08:15:38 < emeb> ds2: things are off to a slow start. My main day-job contract is "on hiatus" 2015-01-15T08:15:48 < emeb> so I'm getting lots of me-time lately. 2015-01-15T08:16:44 < ds2> Oh :( 2015-01-15T08:16:56 < ds2> so lots of projects getting more attention? 2015-01-15T08:17:14 < akaWolf> ds2: do you still use Angstrom? 2015-01-15T08:17:16 < emeb> yeah. doing an STM32F427 in a BBB form-factor 2015-01-15T08:17:47 < ds2> akaWolf: sort of 2015-01-15T08:17:49 < emeb> got some of those ADI spi-programmable filters & will make a breakout for that to use on that HF radio experiment. 2015-01-15T08:18:08 < ds2> I use a custom setup so it is not pure Angstrom but it is nothing like debian if that is your point 2015-01-15T08:18:21 < ds2> Ooooh HF radio 2015-01-15T08:18:40 < ds2> i wish I had time to go back to playing with HF radios 2015-01-15T08:18:41 < akaWolf> ds2: yeah, something debian-like is my poing 2015-01-15T08:18:42 < akaWolf> t 2015-01-15T08:19:04 < ds2> not a fan of debian 2015-01-15T08:19:21 < ds2> doing embedded stuff takes twice as long 2015-01-15T08:19:38 < akaWolf> depends on goals 2015-01-15T08:19:39 < ds2> emeb: is the 427 the one with a DDR interface? 2015-01-15T08:19:45 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acc83.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T08:19:50 < akaWolf> at* 2015-01-15T08:20:04 < emeb> ds2: it has ordinary single-rate SDRAM interface. 2015-01-15T08:20:04 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-15T08:20:09 < ds2> akaWolf: I customize things 2015-01-15T08:20:28 < ds2> emeb: can you still get SDR memory easily? 2015-01-15T08:20:40 < jpa-> regular sdram? sure 2015-01-15T08:20:52 < emeb> ds2: sure - cheap on Digi-Key. 2015-01-15T08:20:57 < jpa-> not in the gigabyte sizes, but in like 8-64MB/chip 2015-01-15T08:21:04 < emeb> for small sizes 2015-01-15T08:21:59 < ds2> good to know...thought they had gone the way of async dram 2015-01-15T08:22:45 < emeb> micron, ISSI make 'em in TSSOP54 pkgs 2015-01-15T08:23:02 < emeb> see the backside of the F429 Discovery for example. 2015-01-15T08:23:38 < jpa-> asynchronous dram is also still available 2015-01-15T08:24:20 < ds2> they are? stuff like 4164? 2015-01-15T08:24:42 < akaWolf> ds2: there is also exist capability to use something like buildroot 2015-01-15T08:25:10 < ds2> buildroot is nice but not as flexible as OE 2015-01-15T08:25:28 < akaWolf> OpenEmbedded? 2015-01-15T08:25:36 < ds2> the SDK build from OE and license management features are nice 2015-01-15T08:25:40 < ds2> yeah... Angstrom is built from OE 2015-01-15T08:25:55 < jpa-> ds2: nah, not that old :P 2015-01-15T08:26:22 < ds2> jpa-: 41256? 2015-01-15T08:26:27 < emeb> you can still get those old 41-series DRAM from Jameco 2015-01-15T08:26:49 < jpa-> ds2: i was thinking about http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MSM51V17405F-60TDKX/MSM51V17405F-60TDKX-ND/2695010 and similar 2015-01-15T08:26:57 < emeb> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_41662_-1 2015-01-15T08:27:01 < akaWolf> ds2: buildroot is more clear for me 2015-01-15T08:28:31 < ds2> akaWolf: it is straightforward if that's all you need. uCLinux uses that by default 2015-01-15T08:28:56 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T08:35:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T08:57:52 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T08:58:15 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T09:04:00 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-15T09:04:35 < dongs> uclunix 2015-01-15T09:24:38 < upgrdman> time for me to buy a new mouse. anyone have a mouse they love or really want to get? i have a logitech m705 and like it, but haven't really looked around. 2015-01-15T09:25:50 < upgrdman> that look, uh, "interesting" 2015-01-15T09:25:50 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T09:26:27 < upgrdman> oh, and wired only? gay 2015-01-15T09:26:56 < upgrdman> never had a reliable problems with a modern wireless mouse 2015-01-15T09:27:29 < upgrdman> i live in so cal. 2015-01-15T09:27:35 < upgrdman> and am forever alone 2015-01-15T09:28:54 < upgrdman> g602 looks like a candidate 2015-01-15T09:29:10 < upgrdman> wish it had a better battery life. 250hrs... wtf. my m705 get like 3 years. 2015-01-15T09:29:27 < upgrdman> why 2015-01-15T09:29:50 < upgrdman> huh? as in the "hump" is too lhigh? 2015-01-15T09:36:41 < PaulFertser> emeb: so, how big the stack size needs to be actually? If you're flashing elf, the mismatch in the first sector is expected as the checksum is calculated by OpenOCD before flashing and is part of the vector table. 2015-01-15T09:39:55 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T09:49:28 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acc83.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-15T09:51:31 < dongs> over 9000 DPI 2015-01-15T10:10:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-15T10:15:39 < ReadError> r2com be cloning my mouse now too 2015-01-15T10:17:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T10:21:30 < dongs> Regarding the PIC32MZ??? 2015-01-15T10:21:30 < dongs> It includes a 4 data line SD card interface capable of 200Mbs (or 25Meg BYTE/s) transfer rate, which is more than adequate to stream 1080p 30fps onto the SD card. 2015-01-15T10:21:33 < dongs> loool 2015-01-15T10:29:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T10:46:16 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-15T10:48:35 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T10:58:27 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T11:01:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T11:16:01 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=106&p=2393#p2393 2015-01-15T11:16:07 < dongs> i got banned once from zano already. 2015-01-15T11:16:22 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-15T11:17:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T11:18:57 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpohiyqyoojsqkny] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T11:23:38 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=106&p=2394#p2394 2015-01-15T11:23:44 < dongs> he deleted a bunch of my posts 2015-01-15T11:23:48 < dongs> and banned me liek 4 times already 2015-01-15T11:23:50 < dongs> lollin' 2015-01-15T11:23:54 < dongs> guy REALLY has somethin to hiide 2015-01-15T11:27:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: well, by not calling this scam explicitly you might have prolonged your trolling for a bit ;) 2015-01-15T11:27:23 < Taxman> hi all 2015-01-15T11:35:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d404f1.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T11:47:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: but what else would I call it, if not scam? 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2015-01-15T12:25:31 < dongs> would they be giving a shit? 2015-01-15T12:26:39 < Roklobsta> didn't they help bring down a dodgy kickstarter recently or is that my imagination? 2015-01-15T12:27:11 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-15T12:28:58 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-15T12:29:11 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T12:32:44 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T12:32:59 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T12:34:57 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T12:44:12 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-15T12:44:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.217.240] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T12:44:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.217.240] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-15T12:44:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T12:45:37 < dongs> holy shit, i get it 2015-01-15T12:45:51 < dongs> they're stalling until end of month to finsih dickstarter cash procesing 2015-01-15T12:46:02 < dongs> once they recveive funds they will announce a delay/unexpected problem wiht prototypes 2015-01-15T12:46:09 < dongs> and stall for a couple weeks 2015-01-15T12:46:15 < dongs> while moving the cash out of thier account 2015-01-15T12:46:24 < dongs> then they will just start trolling everyone with wahtever shit once the money is gone 2015-01-15T12:46:27 < dongs> LOL 2015-01-15T12:48:36 < Laurenceb> ok back ot trying to force st-util to work 2015-01-15T12:49:06 < Laurenceb> lol same failure as yesterday 2015-01-15T12:49:13 < qyx_> surprised? 2015-01-15T12:49:59 < Laurenceb> no 2015-01-15T12:50:08 < Laurenceb> I'm out of ideas for fixing this :( 2015-01-15T12:50:49 < qyx_> but yes, i also hate things which are not willing to fix themselves 2015-01-15T12:50:50 < Laurenceb> seems st-util and gdb just dont want to talk to each other 2015-01-15T12:51:14 < Laurenceb> as far as gdb is concerned st-util isnt saying anything 2015-01-15T12:51:19 < Laurenceb> maybe wireshark can help 2015-01-15T12:52:03 < Laurenceb> it can hook up to localhost right? 2015-01-15T12:58:00 < Laurenceb> someone has surely seen this problem before... 2015-01-15T13:00:44 < Laurenceb> hmf just a shitton of issues showing up with google :-/ 2015-01-15T13:01:11 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: duh, why don't you just use openocd? 2015-01-15T13:01:18 < PaulFertser> Really, man. 2015-01-15T13:01:22 < Laurenceb> heh ok 2015-01-15T13:01:30 < Laurenceb> last time i gave up 2015-01-15T13:01:45 < Laurenceb> do i need a bazillion config scripts in undocumented formats? 2015-01-15T13:01:47 < PaulFertser> I'll try to help if you get stuck. 2015-01-15T13:01:49 < PaulFertser> No! 2015-01-15T13:01:55 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-15T13:01:58 < PaulFertser> Check README :) 2015-01-15T13:02:02 < Laurenceb> what do i need to install? 2015-01-15T13:02:34 < PaulFertser> If you have stlink, I suggest you install from current git as 0.8.0 didn't have the feature that enabled auto reconnection when swd communication was unstable. 2015-01-15T13:02:59 < PaulFertser> Or just use 0.8.0 from your distro repo. Your choice. But self-compiling is trivial. 2015-01-15T13:02:59 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-15T13:03:04 < PaulFertser> And I'm here to help if you have any issue. 2015-01-15T13:03:34 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/ntfreak/openocd <- that? 2015-01-15T13:04:05 < PaulFertser> Nope, that's his private fork. 2015-01-15T13:04:12 < PaulFertser> Well, not fork, temp branches and stuff. 2015-01-15T13:04:33 < Laurenceb> oh sourceforge? 2015-01-15T13:04:42 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: http://openocd.org/sourceforge.net/p/openocd/code/ or http://repo.or.cz/w/openocd.git 2015-01-15T13:04:52 < Laurenceb> thanks 2015-01-15T13:05:49 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: install libusb-1.0-dev before running ./configure, and then everything you need gets enabled automatically. 2015-01-15T13:08:33 < Laurenceb> penOCD configuration summary 2015-01-15T13:08:33 < Laurenceb> -------------------------------------------------- 2015-01-15T13:08:33 < Laurenceb> MPSSE mode of FTDI based devices no 2015-01-15T13:08:33 < Laurenceb> ST-Link JTAG Programmer no 2015-01-15T13:08:37 < Laurenceb> thats bad 2015-01-15T13:09:48 < Laurenceb> do you know what arguments I need to pass to configure? 2015-01-15T13:10:28 < karlp> means you didn't have libusb detected 2015-01-15T13:10:30 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: what linux are you running? 2015-01-15T13:10:39 < Laurenceb> ubuntu 2015-01-15T13:10:48 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-15T13:11:06 < Roklobsta> just get the openocd 0.8 .deb from ubuntu 2015-01-15T13:11:43 < Laurenceb> hmf 403 errors 2015-01-15T13:11:49 < Roklobsta> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openocd 2015-01-15T13:11:50 < qyx_> Laurenceb: ./configure --help 2015-01-15T13:11:50 < Laurenceb> I need to fix my pc first :( 2015-01-15T13:11:56 < qyx_> probably --enable-stlink 2015-01-15T13:11:58 < qyx_> or similar 2015-01-15T13:12:11 < Laurenceb> yeah but i am missing libusb-dev 2015-01-15T13:12:15 < karlp> qyx_: should have been autoenabled if libusb was found, and if libusb wasn't found, enabling it won't help 2015-01-15T13:12:20 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: i used the 0.8 deb in Mint 17 with no problems. 2015-01-15T13:12:24 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-15T13:12:31 < qyx_> karlp: mhm it wasn't ehan i compiled last time 2015-01-15T13:12:33 < Laurenceb> i need to upgrade this ubuntu, its old 2015-01-15T13:12:35 < qyx_> only bitbanging things 2015-01-15T13:12:45 < Roklobsta> didn't even need to mess with udev to get it working 2015-01-15T13:12:47 < Laurenceb> ill go back to trying to fix st-util 2015-01-15T13:12:53 < Laurenceb> spend a few hours on it :-/ 2015-01-15T13:12:56 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:13:16 < Roklobsta> let me fix that for you. ill go back to trying to banging my head against the wall. 2015-01-15T13:13:21 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-15T13:13:26 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-15T13:13:57 < Laurenceb> guess i should udgrade ubuntu 2015-01-15T13:14:04 < Roklobsta> reinstall would be faster 2015-01-15T13:14:10 < Roklobsta> and less messy 2015-01-15T13:21:51 < qyx_> upgrade is one line and then one hour sleep 2015-01-15T13:22:32 < qyx_> or 5 min if you don't have insanely bloated distribution 2015-01-15T13:22:40 < qyx_> like ubuntu 2015-01-15T13:26:44 < Laurenceb> hmm i fixed st-util 2015-01-15T13:26:50 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-15T13:26:52 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: no configure parameters needed, told you. 2015-01-15T13:26:54 < Laurenceb> it doesnt like kill/run 2015-01-15T13:26:58 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: just install libusb-1.0 dev package. 2015-01-15T13:27:11 < Laurenceb> yeah im behind a proxy 2015-01-15T13:27:12 < PaulFertser> Roklobsta: I suggest current git for a reason. 2015-01-15T13:27:21 < Laurenceb> and upgrade has been broken... 2015-01-15T13:27:23 < PaulFertser> Roklobsta: see commit fb5e099af83a17821e6962b6e632582cb5033a66 2015-01-15T13:27:32 < Laurenceb> ill fix it all later :P 2015-01-15T13:29:52 < Tectu> does anybody know a free SPI port on the F407-Discovery board out of his mind? 2015-01-15T13:30:02 < karlp> SPI2 2015-01-15T13:30:04 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:30:21 < karlp> (and you're a fool if you want to just rely on the internet's answer instead of just checking) 2015-01-15T13:31:02 < Tectu> thanks 2015-01-15T13:31:06 < Tectu> and you're probably right, yeah 2015-01-15T13:31:20 < Laurenceb> ok... 2015-01-15T13:31:32 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-15T13:31:40 < Laurenceb> I've got DMA apparently alive, but its not sending the data 2015-01-15T13:32:00 < Laurenceb> DMA1_CNDTR3 is staying at 6 2015-01-15T13:32:13 < Laurenceb> its supposed to send 6 bytes via spi 2015-01-15T13:33:41 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-15T13:33:43 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-15T13:33:48 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c line 572 2015-01-15T13:34:23 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:38:32 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T13:40:11 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:44:46 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T13:45:49 < Laurenceb> aha 2015-01-15T13:45:53 < Laurenceb> SPI mode fault 2015-01-15T13:46:02 < Laurenceb> all is explained.. sort of 2015-01-15T13:46:07 < ReadError> Laurenceblogs 2015-01-15T13:46:08 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:46:15 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-15T13:50:41 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T13:53:38 < Laurenceb> has anyone used SPi with hardware NSS? 2015-01-15T13:53:57 < Laurenceb> I'm wondering if it requires a pull up resistor 2015-01-15T13:54:51 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:56:39 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T13:56:47 < Laurenceb> arg wtf 2015-01-15T13:56:53 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/CD00161566.pdf 2015-01-15T13:57:06 < Laurenceb> figure 35, NSS is an input ?! 2015-01-15T13:58:41 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T13:59:18 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-15T13:59:38 < Laurenceb> lulz, its an issue with st periph lib 2015-01-15T13:59:54 < Laurenceb> NSS can be input or output, periph lib limits it to input 2015-01-15T14:00:21 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T14:03:14 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:03:46 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:04:00 < trepidaciousMBR> Depends whether you are SPI master or slave? 2015-01-15T14:05:38 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T14:07:03 < karlp> Laurenceb: have you not ever paid attention to anything anyone ever said? 2015-01-15T14:07:08 < karlp> use software CS, 2015-01-15T14:07:19 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T14:07:32 < karlp> someone managed to get the NSS to work, but it does not _ever_ go high again until you do spi_disable()/spi_enable()= again 2015-01-15T14:07:41 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:09:26 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-15T14:10:44 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:12:34 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T14:12:39 < Laurenceb> i know 2015-01-15T14:13:11 < Laurenceb> i want to avoid delays waiting for GPIO 2015-01-15T14:13:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-15T14:13:43 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:14:03 < Steffanx> "waiting for gpio"? 2015-01-15T14:14:36 < qyx_> i would say that radio mod/demod delays are much longer than "gpio delay" 2015-01-15T14:14:37 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:14:40 < Laurenceb> well... on F1 its not instant 2015-01-15T14:14:52 < jpa-> what is this gpio delay you are talking about? 2015-01-15T14:15:07 < Laurenceb> yeah probably doing over the top here, but as its interrupt driven I want it to be fast 2015-01-15T14:15:10 < jpa-> from gpio cs set to spi start? 2015-01-15T14:15:14 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-15T14:15:19 < jpa-> never needed any delay 2015-01-15T14:15:23 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-15T14:15:30 < jpa-> how much delay are you needing? 2015-01-15T14:15:34 < Laurenceb> i guess a few cycles is all thats needed? 2015-01-15T14:15:47 < Laurenceb> just a microsecond or so 2015-01-15T14:15:51 < jpa-> i would expect the spi periph does not start immediately either 2015-01-15T14:16:15 < qyx_> ou, i forgot my rfm69 fifo read problem 2015-01-15T14:16:21 < jpa-> of course some chips have requirements for CS to SCLK setup time, but that is chip-specific 2015-01-15T14:16:22 < qyx_> maybe you will find out that dma is not usable 2015-01-15T14:16:36 < Laurenceb> qyx_: what was the problem? 2015-01-15T14:16:46 < qyx_> at least that sx1231 or whatever it was didn't like it 2015-01-15T14:17:11 < Steffanx> did you ever communicate that to semtech qyx_? 2015-01-15T14:17:14 < karlp> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58103694.jpg 2015-01-15T14:17:19 < Steffanx> Or was that stuff already somewhere in the docs? 2015-01-15T14:17:31 < qyx_> no, i "fixed" it with small delays between bytes 2015-01-15T14:17:42 < Laurenceb> lol karlp 2015-01-15T14:17:47 < Steffanx> and not using dma 2015-01-15T14:18:12 < Laurenceb> isnt that semtech? 2015-01-15T14:18:17 * Laurenceb is using silabs 2015-01-15T14:18:21 < qyx_> it is, i know 2015-01-15T14:19:09 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-15T14:20:15 < Steffanx> so what's the stm32 going to launch Laurenceb? 2015-01-15T14:20:27 < Laurenceb> the internet of dicks 2015-01-15T14:20:45 < Laurenceb> but srsly, its a secret project 2015-01-15T14:20:59 < Steffanx> with open sores? 2015-01-15T14:21:02 < Laurenceb> yup 2015-01-15T14:21:46 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-15T14:23:44 < Steffanx> love your wonderful memcpys and how you're totally screwed when 7*sizeof(uint8_t) is not 7 :P 2015-01-15T14:25:17 < qyx_> ou, F401 has wlcsp49 3x3mm 2015-01-15T14:26:44 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:27:59 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-15T14:28:31 < dekar> PaulFertser, I've been using Lua (5.1 - 5.2) on a product for years, performance (as in double) was never an issue since the critical parts are C anyway. 2015-01-15T14:29:37 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:29:55 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:30:50 < dekar> Also Lua is quite weird at time IMO, conversion from bool to int goes like "myBool and 1 or 0" 2015-01-15T14:31:03 < dekar> *at times 2015-01-15T14:32:54 < PaulFertser> Hehe 2015-01-15T14:34:48 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-15T14:35:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:37:16 < dekar> PaulFertser, also I had to patch Lua quite a bit to allow cross compilation, the bytecode on 32bit x86 is actually the same as on 32bit little endian ARM, but changes were needed to have x64 generate the same code. 2015-01-15T14:37:38 < karlp> dekar: I've had shitty performance with lua 5.1, 2015-01-15T14:37:55 < karlp> and the tooling for doing anything bigger than a simple script is sucktastical 2015-01-15T14:41:31 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-15T14:42:20 < dekar> Yeah, I basically wrote my own basic IDE for it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screen%20Shot%202015-01-15%20at%2013.40.55.png 2015-01-15T14:42:29 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:44:51 < dekar> But performance really never was an issue, still about 1 million Lua instructions per second on a STM32F1 at 72Mhz 2015-01-15T14:45:19 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:45:26 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T14:45:30 < Steffanx> even code completion :) 2015-01-15T14:47:54 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-15T14:48:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T14:49:12 < dekar> Yeah we have several people working on those scripts, so I felt like spending time on things like syntax highlighting and auto-complete was warranted. Besides leveraging Qt it wasn't that much work anyway. 2015-01-15T14:51:51 < Fleck> looks nice dekar 2015-01-15T14:52:51 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-15T15:03:45 < karlp> we've had no problems with perf of lua plugins in a c app, but writing the app in lua and dealing with json has so far been a bit sucky, it appears to just be too many tables created and destroyed, but profiling lua is teh suck 2015-01-15T15:04:54 < karlp> and writing my own ide wasn't my idea of a good time :) 2015-01-15T15:18:49 < jpa-> it would be interesting to try out C# on stm32 some time 2015-01-15T15:18:59 < jpa-> now that mono has some support for it also 2015-01-15T15:19:15 * Devilholk nearly parted 2015-01-15T15:19:26 < jpa-> why? 2015-01-15T15:19:32 < Devilholk> I don't like C# =p 2015-01-15T15:19:40 < jpa-> seems a bit biased 2015-01-15T15:19:47 < Devilholk> That's why I said "I" 2015-01-15T15:20:23 < jpa-> IMO it is one of the better languages in existence nowadays 2015-01-15T15:20:37 < Devilholk> I guess everyone has their preferences 2015-01-15T15:21:02 < jpa-> there are also some facts 2015-01-15T15:23:48 < Devilholk> Are you saying it is wrong of me not to enjoy C#? 2015-01-15T15:24:00 < jpa-> of course 2015-01-15T15:24:07 < jpa-> i'm the one who gets to decide things like this 2015-01-15T15:24:10 < qyx_> you are a bit biased 2015-01-15T15:24:14 < jpa-> also: no-one is interested in your preferences 2015-01-15T15:25:08 < Devilholk> Really? 2015-01-15T15:25:10 < Steffanx> Devilholk please tell me you dont prefer JAVA over C# 2015-01-15T15:25:15 < Devilholk> I am interested in others preferences 2015-01-15T15:25:24 < Devilholk> Steffanx: Haha, ofcourse not 2015-01-15T15:25:28 < karlp> jpa-: do you meant anything more than the .net micro that's already targetted to stm32? 2015-01-15T15:25:35 < Steffanx> pfffiew 2015-01-15T15:26:18 < Devilholk> jpa-: You said something about facts, I am interested in hearing them 2015-01-15T15:26:23 < jpa-> karlp: nope 2015-01-15T15:27:10 < Steffanx> any link about that mono stuff jpa-? 2015-01-15T15:27:10 < jpa-> Devilholk: nah, i'm not bored enough 2015-01-15T15:27:17 < Steffanx> *to 2015-01-15T15:27:33 < Devilholk> I see 2015-01-15T15:28:27 < jpa-> Steffanx: just this: http://forums.netduino.com/index.php?/forum/12-mono/ 2015-01-15T15:28:32 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T15:28:35 < karlp> http://www.mountaineer.org/netmf-for-stm32/ ? 2015-01-15T15:28:45 < karlp> they have it for f1 and f4 2015-01-15T15:29:33 < jpa-> yeah, though i probably wouldn't run it as the main operating system of the mcu 2015-01-15T15:29:52 < jpa-> IIRC netmf was tick-only scheduled, i.e. not realtime in any manner 2015-01-15T15:30:10 < jpa-> could still be fine if one thread is enough or for gui etc. 2015-01-15T15:30:48 < Devilholk> What is the difference of realtime and tick-only? 2015-01-15T15:31:28 < jpa-> realtime operating systems switch threads immediately when e.g. interrupt happens 2015-01-15T15:31:58 < jpa-> netmf only checks status of things at every systick, which is usually 1kHz or so 2015-01-15T15:32:17 < Devilholk> And the tick-only will just serve the interrupt and go back to the thread it was at? 2015-01-15T15:32:24 < jpa-> yeah 2015-01-15T15:32:51 < jpa-> so it is not possible to create a thread that releases control for time less than 1 tick 2015-01-15T15:33:24 < jpa-> but i expect that it would be possible to run netmf (and all of its threads) inside one thread of some RTOS 2015-01-15T15:33:37 < jpa-> allowing C code for the realtime stuff 2015-01-15T15:34:22 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-15T15:35:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T15:35:56 < Laurenceb> is it necessary to write to the spi data register with a dummy byte to allow new data to be clocked in? 2015-01-15T15:36:22 < jpa-> yes 2015-01-15T15:36:27 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-01-15T15:36:30 < jpa-> with spi you need to transmit to receive 2015-01-15T15:36:35 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-15T15:36:45 < Laurenceb> that explains why my code is timing out :P 2015-01-15T15:36:48 < jpa-> unlike with stm32 i2c, where you have to read random status flags to receive 2015-01-15T15:37:20 < Devilholk> Not with dma, right? 2015-01-15T15:37:32 < jpa-> even with dma 2015-01-15T15:37:41 < jpa-> not all the time 2015-01-15T15:37:44 < Devilholk> I don't remember that but it was a while ago 2015-01-15T15:37:46 < jpa-> but to make it start 2015-01-15T15:38:02 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-15T15:38:04 < jpa-> i had this problem just earlier this week :P 2015-01-15T15:38:04 < Devilholk> But I remember that if a slave is holding the bus down you need to manually clock it to release the bus 2015-01-15T15:38:08 < Laurenceb> so you can read one byte? 2015-01-15T15:38:30 < jpa-> well kind-of but the errata is such annoyance that i don't bother 2015-01-15T15:38:35 < Laurenceb> or do you need a second dma 2015-01-15T15:38:40 < Laurenceb> ok ill setup a second dma 2015-01-15T15:38:46 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T15:38:50 < jpa-> ah yeah, for spi you need second dma 2015-01-15T15:44:09 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-15T15:44:18 < Laurenceb> time to rewrite all my code :P 2015-01-15T15:44:54 < qyx_> thankfully i didn't steal it 2015-01-15T15:45:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-15T15:49:31 -!- PeterM1 [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T15:49:48 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T15:52:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T16:02:42 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T16:03:30 < Laurenceb> yeah its going to be a while before this is ready, need to get a HackRf One to test uplink and stuff 2015-01-15T16:04:17 < Steffanx> dont we all have some rtl dongle? 2015-01-15T16:05:35 < Laurenceb> yeah but it cant transmit 2015-01-15T16:07:05 < Steffanx> oh, yeah 2015-01-15T16:26:32 < kakeman> my coffee maker makes nice tea 2015-01-15T16:27:46 < kakeman> do you guys know any ultimatelly extreamelly inexpensive chinese wireless bridges with 2 antennas? 2015-01-15T16:29:26 -!- PeterM1 [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T16:30:40 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T16:31:00 < qyx_> my .text increased from 1K to 49K :S 2015-01-15T16:31:53 < kakeman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tenda-N301-300Mbps-Wireless-N-Router-WiFi-Range-Extender-Repeater-Bridge-802-11n-/281380663217 2015-01-15T16:34:18 < kakeman> fixed antennas bah.. smas were too expensive 2015-01-15T16:35:45 < Getty> I love it how they always make extra big antennas on those bridges which then are by themself always very small devices 2015-01-15T16:35:51 < Getty> like an inverted t-rex ;) 2015-01-15T16:36:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-15T16:37:42 < kakeman> well it's most efficient way to archive performance to use proper antennas 2015-01-15T16:38:29 < qyx_> how can i see which part of my sources dragged this printf shit inside? 2015-01-15T16:38:57 < karlp> get a better printf and stop caring? (all I've ever done is looked at objdump to see where it calls from) 2015-01-15T16:39:16 < Getty> kakeman: yeah but the industry cant put those on the real router? ;-) I just remember the huge boost of the linksys extra antennas 2015-01-15T16:39:19 < qyx_> no printf is used 2015-01-15T16:39:33 < Getty> which was funny as those antennas were actually later more expansive as the actual router, as they were produced less 2015-01-15T16:39:36 < qyx_> only strncpy and similar 2015-01-15T16:40:08 < kakeman> how sadistic it would be to design own wireless lan board with 2 antennas and one ethernet 2015-01-15T16:40:19 < karlp> very 2015-01-15T16:40:40 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-15T16:41:02 < kakeman> very very stupid 2015-01-15T16:44:28 < jpa-> definitely not cheap atleast 2015-01-15T16:45:00 < jpa-> i fail to see why any random cheap wlan box with two antennas wouldn't be cheap and simple solution 2015-01-15T16:45:20 < jpa-> though wifi bridging in itself has its own problems 2015-01-15T16:45:47 < kakeman> it stinks 2015-01-15T16:45:58 < jpa-> also, soldering connectors in place of existing antennas is pretty trivial 2015-01-15T16:46:05 < kakeman> it's poor mans connection certainly 2015-01-15T16:46:58 < jpa-> i wonder if real wifi mesh network would work better than bridged AP network 2015-01-15T16:47:07 < jpa-> i have had some ARP trouble with the latter 2015-01-15T16:49:14 < jpa-> though even that trouble was only because i had so many virtual machines behind the bridge 2015-01-15T16:49:41 < kakeman> how many? 2015-01-15T16:54:13 < Laurenceb> hmf 2015-01-15T16:54:17 < Laurenceb> my spi is utterly dead 2015-01-15T16:54:51 < Laurenceb> DMA is completing and stuff 2015-01-15T16:55:09 < Laurenceb> but according to scope there is nothing on the bus, and the DMa receive reads 0xff 2015-01-15T16:55:29 < Laurenceb> can anyone spot any config errors? https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c 2015-01-15T16:55:31 < Laurenceb> line 45 2015-01-15T17:02:01 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T17:22:38 < Laurenceb> aha found the bug 2015-01-15T17:22:48 < Laurenceb> this is bad, looks like silabs cant handle dma 2015-01-15T17:23:19 -!- e-motion [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T17:25:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T17:25:40 < Steffanx> sounds familiar uh? 2015-01-15T17:27:57 * KreAture just got a recall of his car 2015-01-15T17:28:54 < Laurenceb> (gdb) p/x rx_buffer 2015-01-15T17:28:54 < Laurenceb> $5 = {0xff, 0xfc, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0} 2015-01-15T17:29:06 < Laurenceb> that should be the part id data 2015-01-15T17:31:43 < Steffanx> and what care does mr KreAture have? 2015-01-15T17:31:51 < Steffanx> *car 2015-01-15T17:31:59 < KreAture> eUp 2015-01-15T17:32:11 < KreAture> apparantly the airbag can explode in my face at random 2015-01-15T17:32:14 < KreAture> lol 2015-01-15T17:32:30 < Steffanx> a real VW 2015-01-15T17:32:35 < KreAture> :) 2015-01-15T17:33:54 < Steffanx> always nice to know that can happen 2015-01-15T17:34:16 < KreAture> well, they want to have the car in so they can check it and possibly replace the airbag 2015-01-15T17:34:35 < KreAture> They apparantly also want to replace the charge-connector locking actuator 2015-01-15T17:34:41 < KreAture> (for unknown reason) 2015-01-15T17:46:50 < qyx_> found the problem, my weak assert_function symbol with printf is not overriden 2015-01-15T17:57:08 -!- johntramp [john@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-dnklfpkixvqbpvjf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T18:07:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.114] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T18:13:22 < e-motion> hi 2015-01-15T18:13:34 < e-motion> what do you think about company name 'linergus' 2015-01-15T18:19:32 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T18:19:45 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T18:20:33 < kakeman> does it say something? 2015-01-15T18:21:20 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T18:26:54 < e-motion> no 2015-01-15T18:30:41 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T18:31:36 < kakeman> what company? 2015-01-15T18:37:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-15T18:37:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T18:37:51 < e-motion> does it matter 2015-01-15T18:38:33 < kakeman> certainly 2015-01-15T18:40:11 < kakeman> and what country and what market 2015-01-15T18:40:29 < e-motion> worldwide 2015-01-15T18:40:43 < e-motion> energy market 2015-01-15T18:46:30 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-15T18:46:50 < kakeman> it sounds scandinavian 2015-01-15T18:48:48 < kakeman> and more like banking / holding / acatemical 2015-01-15T18:51:06 < e-motion> mm, thanks 2015-01-15T18:51:13 < e-motion> but not offending anyone? 2015-01-15T19:06:53 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-15T19:29:07 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-15T19:35:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T19:40:20 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-15T19:50:22 < emeb> PaulFertser: ping 2015-01-15T19:52:21 < PaulFertser> emeb: pong 2015-01-15T19:52:40 < emeb> PaulFertser: increasing the stack to 208 made writing work 2015-01-15T19:53:02 < PaulFertser> emeb: that's cool. How did you find that value? 2015-01-15T19:53:21 < emeb> PaulFertser: just used 208 from one of the other processor specs 2015-01-15T19:53:30 < emeb> it might be OK with something smaller 2015-01-15T19:53:56 < PaulFertser> LPC43xx has that, yes. I think it's reasonable to increase it to that value, yes. 2015-01-15T19:54:02 < emeb> Now for some reason the 1st 512B of flash isn't getting properly erased. 2015-01-15T19:54:21 < emeb> so when I write & dump the first chunk mismatches 2015-01-15T19:54:30 < emeb> everything else appears OK tho 2015-01-15T19:54:43 < PaulFertser> emeb: are you sure it's not checksum verification error when you're flashing elf? 2015-01-15T19:55:06 < emeb> PaulFertser: it's the entire 512B section that's wrong, not just the checksum at 01C 2015-01-15T19:55:37 < PaulFertser> emeb: can you check if that region is really erased after you erase the first sector? 2015-01-15T19:56:10 < emeb> PaulFertser: I've tried just doing an erase_address cmd and it still doesn't erase that 2015-01-15T19:56:36 < PaulFertser> emeb: strange, can you please post -d3 log for that too? 2015-01-15T19:57:10 < emeb> Sure 2015-01-15T20:01:05 < emeb> PaulFertser: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/erase_log.txt 2015-01-15T20:02:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-15T20:05:06 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T20:06:35 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbF9NLWF0VGVnSEE/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-15T20:07:11 < Steffanx> eagling much? 2015-01-15T20:07:23 < kakeman> eagling to death 2015-01-15T20:07:25 < emeb> like a boss 2015-01-15T20:08:04 < kakeman> let's throw away those diodes 2015-01-15T20:08:12 < kakeman> and put some active shiet there 2015-01-15T20:08:37 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-15T20:10:30 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-01-15T20:10:54 < Laurenceb> me has si446x driver running 2015-01-15T20:11:01 < Laurenceb> */ 2015-01-15T20:11:12 < Laurenceb> silabs silicon bugs :P 2015-01-15T20:11:21 < Laurenceb> fixed it using tarduino code 2015-01-15T20:12:18 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f2f170d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T20:13:26 < kakeman> some use of tarduino all the random code for it 2015-01-15T20:13:29 < kakeman> *is 2015-01-15T20:14:01 < PaulFertser> emeb: heh, and the log looks perfectly fine. What's actually in the 0th sector now? 2015-01-15T20:14:09 < kakeman> gym< 2015-01-15T20:16:10 < emeb> PaulFertser: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/raw.hex 2015-01-15T20:18:50 < emeb> PaulFertser: thinking of firing up the on-chip bootloader and trying to erase from there. 2015-01-15T20:23:05 < PaulFertser> emeb: I wonder how the hell IAP might be so buggy :/ 2015-01-15T20:23:10 < PaulFertser> emeb: it looks like it should work. 2015-01-15T20:25:38 < emeb> PaulFertser: yeah - seems like it should. 2015-01-15T20:26:02 < emeb> perhaps the flash got write protected somehow. Need to do a full wipe or something. 2015-01-15T20:36:58 < PaulFertser> emeb: this might be related: http://www.lpcware.com/content/forum/lpc800-iap-cant-erase 2015-01-15T20:40:15 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T20:40:37 < emeb> PaulFertser: Yeah - looks like it's doing something similar 2015-01-15T20:40:59 < emeb> Smells like a V0.1 problem... 2015-01-15T20:42:38 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-15T20:44:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-15T20:51:43 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T20:52:25 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T20:52:39 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T20:53:40 < petus> oh no... amazing or mad? https://twitter.com/chiptronCZ/status/555799260126789633 2015-01-15T20:57:27 < emeb> don't do drugs kids 2015-01-15T21:04:02 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-15T21:07:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.106.182] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T21:09:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T21:12:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-15T21:14:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T21:17:35 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acc83.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T21:19:32 < PaulFertser> emeb: hm, no, I guess it's system memory remap register. 2015-01-15T21:20:00 < PaulFertser> emeb: please do "reset halt" and then "mdw 0x40048000" 2015-01-15T21:20:59 < zyp> emeb, which lpc part are you working with? 2015-01-15T21:24:16 < PaulFertser> zyp: lpc822 2015-01-15T21:28:21 < emeb> PaulFertser: I added the mdw ... to my erase script (reset halt was already in there) and that doesn't seem to have made any difference. 2015-01-15T21:30:00 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpohiyqyoojsqkny] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-15T21:36:04 < PaulFertser> emeb: mdw is for diagnostic :))) please use that mdw before erase and after erase and tell me the value you see. 2015-01-15T21:36:15 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T21:37:37 < emeb> kk 2015-01-15T21:38:27 < emeb> PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/cMTSZ3X9 2015-01-15T21:38:33 < emeb> 0 at each 2015-01-15T21:40:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-15T21:40:57 < PaulFertser> emeb: mww 0x40048000 2; and then read the first 512 bytes again. 2015-01-15T21:45:09 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-15T21:54:34 < PaulFertser> emeb: the reset value is 2 according to the datasheet. But when bootloader gets activated, it's 0, like you see. And section 3.6.1 is even more confusing as it says "after any reset". 2015-01-15T21:55:00 < PaulFertser> emeb: to sum up: i think everything works fine now, just verification fails because you see part of the bootloader mapped to the first 512 bytes. 2015-01-15T21:55:49 < emeb> PaulFertser: Interesting. I'll try it... 2015-01-15T21:57:00 < emeb> PaulFertser: Yep - that was it. I put the mww in my dump script and get back all ff 2015-01-15T21:58:43 < zyp> why does verification fail? why is it reading the aliased area and not the actual flash area? 2015-01-15T22:00:12 < emeb> yes 2015-01-15T22:00:20 < emeb> :) 2015-01-15T22:01:15 < emeb> seems that the bootloader always runs @ reset and then remaps & jumps to user code. 2015-01-15T22:04:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:04:50 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-15T22:05:07 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-01-15T22:05:07 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-01-15T22:05:39 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:06:04 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:07:12 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:09:50 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:11:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-15T22:11:14 < emeb> PaulFertser: With that mww in place it verifies correct except for the checksum. I guess things are fine now. 2015-01-15T22:11:39 < emeb> The only thing I changed was the stack size. 2015-01-15T22:12:11 < PaulFertser> emeb: great, thank you. I'll push a patch for review soon. Should I add Reported-by tag with your real name and email or just "reported on IRC by emeb" in commit message is fine? 2015-01-15T22:12:36 < emeb> irc by emeb is just peachy. Thx for your help. 2015-01-15T22:12:52 < emeb> I need to figure out how to work all these details into a usable flash script now... 2015-01-15T22:14:59 < PaulFertser> emeb: I guess -c "init; reset init; mww 0x40048000 2; flash write_image erase your.elf; verify_image your.elf 0; shutdown" 2015-01-15T22:15:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-15T22:15:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:25:00 < PaulFertser> emeb: reset init handler in the current lpc1xxx.cfg does exact same mww btw. We really need to extend it to lpc8xx devices. 2015-01-15T22:25:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-15T22:26:47 < PaulFertser> emeb: duh, my bad, I have missed this existing patch: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2442/ 2015-01-15T22:27:07 < PaulFertser> Still lacks config, but that's another matter. 2015-01-15T22:28:50 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-15T22:36:32 -!- e-motion [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-15T22:39:01 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-15T22:41:55 < qyx_> can i ged rid of .data.__malloc_av_ and .data.impure_data? 2015-01-15T22:42:05 < qyx_> or - do they have to be in the data section? 2015-01-15T22:42:34 < qyx_> i found this https://sourceware.org/ml/newlib/2010/msg00616.html 2015-01-15T22:42:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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Let them try first. 2015-01-16T01:13:10 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:27 < Laurenceb_> heh 2015-01-16T01:13:28 -!- ds2 [noinf@rehut.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:28 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:28 -!- zoobab [~zoobab@ks3271128.kimsufi.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:28 -!- oz4ga [niphredil@tux.nerdheaven.dk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:41 -!- mattbrejza [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:41 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:51 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:4f1:0:a01d:2e65:6cd0:fd9b] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:13:52 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop is either a con or elon is insane 2015-01-16T01:13:57 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-16T01:14:02 < Laurenceb_> I'm putting my money on con 2015-01-16T01:14:03 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@sleipnir.jaeckel.eu] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T01:14:03 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:14:07 -!- amstan_ [~amstan@206-248-178-246.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T01:14:07 -!- amstan_ [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:14:20 < Laurenceb_> as the "paper" is full of errors and fudged maths 2015-01-16T01:14:39 < Laurenceb_> its almost as bad as minimum shift keying 2015-01-16T01:14:54 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:15:02 < Laurenceb_> even if it would work its solving a nonexistent problem, its easy to run maglev down a tube 2015-01-16T01:15:39 -!- funnel [~funnel@81.4.123.134] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T01:15:39 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:18:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acc83.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-16T01:21:10 < Roklobsta> as long as it uses STM32F7 it's all good. 2015-01-16T01:21:26 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-01-16T01:21:53 < Laurenceb_> I took hyperloop to be a psyops program to advertise his businesses 2015-01-16T01:23:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:24:01 < Roklobsta> I can't wait for someone to put a penny on the track. 2015-01-16T01:25:16 < Laurenceb_> erm its in a tunnel 2015-01-16T01:25:20 < Laurenceb_> tube even 2015-01-16T01:25:34 < Laurenceb_> but he claims steel tube is best, the first epic fail 2015-01-16T01:25:52 < Laurenceb_> itd just sqish up like a toothpaste tube 2015-01-16T01:26:15 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop is 2015-01-16T01:26:37 < Laurenceb_> kickstarter level idiocy 2015-01-16T01:26:38 < Roklobsta> Al Gore invented it and he said it's a series of tubes. 2015-01-16T01:27:48 < Laurenceb_> haha 2015-01-16T01:27:56 < Laurenceb_> yeah its Al Gore level is over 9000 2015-01-16T01:28:34 < Laurenceb_> "we will get rid of waste heat by using it to boil water from an onboard tank" 2015-01-16T01:28:54 < Laurenceb_> THEN WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH THE STEAM GENIUS???? 2015-01-16T01:29:57 < Roklobsta> steam assisted propulsion. 2015-01-16T01:30:25 < Roklobsta> or send it to a high pressure coffee maker. 2015-01-16T01:32:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:32:47 < Laurenceb_> http://ambivalentengineer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/hyperloop-heat-balance-fixed.html 2015-01-16T01:32:58 < Roklobsta> anyway, steam is lighter than water. 2015-01-16T01:32:59 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop : distroyed 2015-01-16T01:33:54 < Roklobsta> this should be called #naysayers. You with hyperloop and dongs with Kickstarter projects. 2015-01-16T01:35:44 < Roklobsta> thanks tomaw. Though I really think you should use somethign else other than your Mum's old Linksys ADSL firewall. 2015-01-16T01:38:06 < Laurenceb_> who? 2015-01-16T01:40:57 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T01:40:58 < oz4ga> is proggy around? tried to pm him 2015-01-16T01:41:24 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-16T01:43:57 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-16T01:45:39 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:08:21 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-16T02:12:25 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-16T02:13:17 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:14:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-16T02:14:32 -!- 7GHAAMDYE [~Viper@28.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-16T02:22:58 < kakeman> series or movie recommends anyone? 2015-01-16T02:25:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:27:22 < dongs_> sup pros 2015-01-16T02:27:28 -!- dongs_ is now known as dongs 2015-01-16T02:31:39 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-16T02:34:16 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:35:32 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:39:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T02:40:31 < kakeman> dup dongs 2015-01-16T02:40:37 < Laurenceb_> pro as in the oldest profession 2015-01-16T02:44:52 < kakeman> :) 2015-01-16T02:45:06 < kakeman> are you speaking of you or dongs? 2015-01-16T02:45:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:47:44 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T02:49:09 < kakeman> can you recommend any movie or series? 2015-01-16T02:49:11 -!- LeelooMinai_ is now known as LeelooMinai 2015-01-16T03:11:09 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T03:13:48 -!- hydra [~hyda@109.233.115.223] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-16T03:13:56 < upgrdman_> delicious RF carrying cables http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg 2015-01-16T03:17:24 < englishman> what is dielectric constant of snake 2015-01-16T03:20:56 < Roklobsta> Indeed. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5786916-3x2-940x627.jpg 2015-01-16T03:29:29 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-16T03:44:12 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T03:44:43 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYmg1NGtWSEhSRFk/view?usp=sharing it needs some fitting now 2015-01-16T03:50:21 * emeb gives up on LPC8xx 2015-01-16T03:51:07 < kakeman> what you tried to do with that? 2015-01-16T03:51:52 < emeb> Saw that they were fairly small and cheap, bought a couple and tried to see if I could get "blinky" up and running. Problems every step of the way. 2015-01-16T03:53:00 < kakeman> not too comfortable to work with then 2015-01-16T03:53:24 < emeb> There aren't a lot of resources out on the web for using the higher-end parts. 2015-01-16T03:53:45 < emeb> LPC810 - the little 8-pin DIP version is all the rage now and lots of projects based on that. 2015-01-16T03:54:02 < qyx_> "little" and "dip" together on the same line 2015-01-16T03:54:03 < emeb> but the bigger parts aren't well supported. 2015-01-16T03:54:48 < emeb> I've been trying to get an LPC822 in a TSSOP-20 to work. Got a lot of help from PaulFertser on making openocd talk to it. 2015-01-16T03:55:16 < emeb> needed some patches for that to go and there are still some issues with verifying. 2015-01-16T03:55:17 < qyx_> you can try woth F030 in tssop20 now \o/ 2015-01-16T03:55:30 < emeb> qyx_: yeah - should do that. 2015-01-16T03:56:18 < emeb> Getting GCC to compile a binary that will actually run on the thing is the next step and I'm not enough of a GCC wizard to figure out the startup code, cmd line options, linker crap etc. that's needed for that. 2015-01-16T03:57:12 < emeb> Thought I had a build but when I programmed it via openocd it just sits there. gdb thru openocd doesn't see anything happening. 2015-01-16T03:59:16 < emeb> So, save that until someone who understands it better has it figured out. 2015-01-16T04:02:27 < emeb> qyx_: looks like the 030 in TSSOP20 is actually cheaper than the LPC82x 2015-01-16T04:02:56 < emeb> faster CPU speed, same memory, and I know how to program those. :P 2015-01-16T04:05:27 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-16T04:07:35 < kakeman> that's why I wont go below lpc1111 2015-01-16T04:07:43 < emeb> heh 2015-01-16T04:07:58 < kakeman> almost same price and somewhat more solid thing 2015-01-16T04:08:15 < emeb> exactly 2015-01-16T04:08:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:4f1:0:a01d:2e65:6cd0:fd9b] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T04:09:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-16T04:13:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T04:18:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d43e8f.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T04:19:02 < kakeman> lpc8xx seems like dumb chip you put in product produced in millions and what it does may be something simple like button power switch with some special feature 2015-01-16T04:21:28 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T04:21:58 < kakeman> and effort paid is really inrelevant once you get that one thing work right 2015-01-16T04:23:13 < Roklobsta> embed have a look at the libopencm3 and libopecm3-examples for examples of projects, linker make files and so on for the lpc family. 2015-01-16T04:23:29 < Roklobsta> the startup code is all in there too. 2015-01-16T04:24:02 < Roklobsta> i just got blinky working from libopencm3-examples working on my stm32L1-discovery board. That's enough for today, time to open the beer up. 2015-01-16T04:24:09 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: thanks - I'll do that when I feel like banging my head on the wall some more. :) 2015-01-16T04:24:35 < Roklobsta> it's sort of spelt out for you. spoon fed and bum wiped for you. 2015-01-16T04:24:58 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: heh - about my speed right now 2015-01-16T04:25:16 < emeb_mac> R2COM: maybe it's not workday there? 2015-01-16T04:25:51 < Roklobsta> R2COM: it's 13:25 here in australia, 1/2 the workers are now at the pub on an extended and boozy lunch. 2015-01-16T04:26:01 < emeb_mac> lol 2015-01-16T04:26:33 < Roklobsta> when i worked in germany they had much the same thing. 2015-01-16T04:26:46 < qyx_> huh beer during lunch? 2015-01-16T04:26:57 < Roklobsta> you americans deny yourselves of too much pleasure. 2015-01-16T04:27:04 < Roklobsta> it's not all work then death you know. 2015-01-16T04:27:27 < dymk> cubemx is complaining that "PLL mux should have the HSE crystal as input", is it not possible to use the internal osc as a source for the PLL? 2015-01-16T04:27:54 < Roklobsta> every white collar engineering company i worked at we'd always go off for a long boozy lunch on friday. 2015-01-16T04:28:44 < Roklobsta> and working in South Melbourne you had plenty of pubs and restaurants to choose from. 2015-01-16T04:30:34 < Roklobsta> one of my clients the boss buys a case of beer and they all sit around in the office boozing it up on friday afternoon. 2015-01-16T04:30:36 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: my sister lives in Melbourne area 2015-01-16T04:31:07 < emeb_mac> want to get down and visit there some day. looks nice. 2015-01-16T04:31:38 < Roklobsta> she enjoys her mandated 4 weeks vacation plus public holidays. 2015-01-16T04:31:49 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: seems that libopencm3 doesn't directly support LPC8xx 2015-01-16T04:33:23 < emeb_mac> just LPC13, LPC17, LPC43 2015-01-16T04:34:03 < Roklobsta> i am just saying use them as a reference to make your own .ld and make files 2015-01-16T04:34:07 < Roklobsta> i am sure not much has to change 2015-01-16T04:34:50 < Roklobsta> you might only have to change some memory ranges and sizes in the .ld file - leave everything else alone. 2015-01-16T04:35:11 < emeb_mac> heh - already did that with the files from NXP for the LPC824. 2015-01-16T04:35:30 < Roklobsta> ok. as you were. resume hand banging. 2015-01-16T04:35:32 < Roklobsta> head 2015-01-16T04:35:40 < emeb_mac> lol 2015-01-16T04:35:50 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I play the field? :) 2015-01-16T04:36:21 < kakeman> pick more than one? 2015-01-16T04:36:35 < Roklobsta> next he'll be using atmel. 2015-01-16T04:36:43 < Roklobsta> avr32? 2015-01-16T04:36:45 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I've learned my lesson - I will no longer stray! 2015-01-16T04:36:56 < qyx_> avr? 2015-01-16T04:36:57 < qyx_> oh 2015-01-16T04:37:00 < Roklobsta> avr is ok. i think it's time for 8bit to die. 2015-01-16T04:37:11 < Roklobsta> execpt for button and LED apps. 2015-01-16T04:37:39 < Roklobsta> 8051 can burn in the fires of hell. 2015-01-16T04:37:54 < emeb_mac> +1 2015-01-16T04:38:00 < emeb_mac> can't stand those 2015-01-16T04:38:22 < Roklobsta> avrstudio? 2015-01-16T04:38:31 < Roklobsta> yeah i mean that 2015-01-16T04:38:36 < emeb_mac> arduino! 2015-01-16T04:39:03 < Roklobsta> i had a shit of a time with the jtag debuggers and that. the debugger firmware is always borked. 2015-01-16T04:39:09 < Roklobsta> avrstudio4 seemed to work well 2015-01-16T04:39:21 < emeb_mac> that 2015-01-16T04:40:05 < Roklobsta> arduino ide is apalling 2015-01-16T04:43:17 < kakeman> what blows my mind is that st has arm chips series other that stm32 2015-01-16T04:43:23 < qyx_> hm, at least sam4n or whatever is it is cheaper on farnell than comparable stm32f301 2015-01-16T04:43:41 < qyx_> *401 2015-01-16T04:45:32 < kakeman> it has something to do with school projects 2015-01-16T04:48:26 < kakeman> they do some sensor capturing with arduino I guess 2015-01-16T04:52:52 < kakeman> attiny2313 2015-01-16T04:53:45 < qyx_> atk89c2051 \o/ 2015-01-16T04:53:52 < emeb_mac> haha 2015-01-16T04:54:02 < emeb_mac> 6502 was my first computer 2015-01-16T04:54:02 < qyx_> *at 2015-01-16T04:54:08 < qyx_> and then 68hc11 2015-01-16T05:05:40 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-16T05:10:00 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-esnjkxyhmgyjxlev] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-16T05:12:27 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T05:12:36 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T05:12:50 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-16T05:14:50 < qyx_> oh, libopencm3 has flash routines ready 2015-01-16T05:47:56 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-16T06:06:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-16T06:06:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T06:11:29 < dymk> hello 2015-01-16T06:11:58 < dymk> Can the PLL can take its input from the internal crystal? I'm seeing conflicting evidence for this 2015-01-16T06:12:25 < dymk> cubemx says no, datasheet seems to say yes 2015-01-16T06:12:54 < qyx_> it can 2015-01-16T06:13:08 < dymk> great, so no need for an external osc then 2015-01-16T06:13:28 < qyx_> no 2015-01-16T06:13:30 < qyx_> which mcu? 2015-01-16T06:13:53 < qyx_> actually "no" is not correct answer, it depends 2015-01-16T06:14:19 < dymk> 405RG 2015-01-16T06:15:36 < qyx_> if you want usb or you are clocking ethernet phy from mco or whatever, you need HSE 2015-01-16T06:15:54 < dymk> ah, yeah we are using usb 2015-01-16T06:16:13 < dymk> bummer, why can't the internal osc be used? 2015-01-16T06:16:38 < qyx_> because of its tolarence 2015-01-16T06:16:44 < emeb_mac> not accurate enough 2015-01-16T06:16:49 < dymk> oh 2015-01-16T06:16:57 < dymk> well, time to rearrange some pins 2015-01-16T06:27:41 < englishman> what were you planning to use osc pins for? 2015-01-16T06:28:41 < qyx_> time to find space for this http://www.jdr.com//v/vspfiles/photos/OSC1.0-2T.jpg 2015-01-16T06:28:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T06:30:05 < qyx_> mhm, i installed adblock addon and suddenly i can't see half of the internets 2015-01-16T06:30:26 < qyx_> the pages look so empty without ads 2015-01-16T06:41:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T07:01:22 < dongs> why do you steal from other people 2015-01-16T07:02:27 < PeterM> sup dingle 2015-01-16T07:02:32 < qyx_> who 2015-01-16T07:02:49 < PeterM> dongs 2015-01-16T07:02:55 < dongs> qyx, you 2015-01-16T07:03:02 < dongs> what makes you think adblocking is ethical 2015-01-16T07:03:13 < dongs> there are people who depend on the ads being shown to survive 2015-01-16T07:03:22 < qyx_> i don't care 2015-01-16T07:03:24 < dongs> PeterM: not much, innovating hard 2015-01-16T07:03:41 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-16T07:03:47 < PeterM> fair nuff, i guess not much bloggin on the zano forums? 2015-01-16T07:03:54 < dongs> got banned 2015-01-16T07:03:59 < dongs> not much to blog 2015-01-16T07:04:02 < dongs> + IP banned later 2015-01-16T07:04:09 < dongs> after I made "ivan_is_a_tool" username 2015-01-16T07:04:19 < qyx_> as if that was a problem 2015-01-16T07:04:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T07:04:37 < dongs> waiting until end of jan to see how they will pretend to have shit working 2015-01-16T07:04:44 < dongs> ovp sensor does have some mjpeg hardware encoder 2015-01-16T07:04:57 < dongs> so they could grab pre-encoded stuff, save to sdcard as mjpeg 2015-01-16T07:05:03 < qyx_> uhm 2015-01-16T07:05:05 < dongs> (i.e. wat $20 chinadrones w/camera do now) 2015-01-16T07:05:13 < qyx_> 1080p mjpeg 2015-01-16T07:05:14 < dongs> but they cant do any processing etc on that. 2015-01-16T07:05:18 < dongs> qyx_: yea, that. 2015-01-16T07:05:22 < dongs> @ 30fps no less. 2015-01-16T07:05:40 < dongs> tehy could maybe stream it at like 1fps. 2015-01-16T07:06:37 < PeterM> doesn't matter, thing will be out of battery before they getachance to lookat the video 2015-01-16T07:06:42 < dongs> haha 2015-01-16T07:06:46 < dongs> also true 2015-01-16T07:08:20 < dongs> i think one of the posts they said they didnt hbave a video cuz "most of our contracts are military and we have strict rules against cellphone recording" 2015-01-16T07:08:45 < PeterM> pffffff 2015-01-16T07:09:39 < PeterM> this is the dumbest arguement ever: http://pastebin.com/23C5p2uU (the ivan dude said) 2015-01-16T07:09:51 < qyx_> this thing became popular among china/jap tourist recently 2015-01-16T07:09:52 < qyx_> http://www.rollei.com/products/tripods/smartphone-selfie-accessories/selfie-stick-arm-extension,p158962 2015-01-16T07:09:58 < qyx_> works without batteries 2015-01-16T07:10:18 < PeterM> i thought theywere invented centuriesago 2015-01-16T07:10:24 < PeterM> fucking monopods 2015-01-16T07:10:44 < qyx_> hm, it seems that it has some trigger for "selfie app" 2015-01-16T07:11:33 < PeterM> i thought if it had sometrigger it was a tumblr user. 2015-01-16T07:12:14 < dongs> 55 eur,gtfo 2015-01-16T07:12:45 < dongs> that site is racist, no shipping t o UK 2015-01-16T07:13:30 < qyx_> didn't even see the price 2015-01-16T07:15:57 < dongs> We have much to achieve and are really gaining momentum. 2015-01-16T07:18:35 < PeterM> is that an ivan quote or a dongie origonal 2015-01-16T07:19:18 < dongs> ivanquote 2015-01-16T07:20:29 < PeterM> ahh, was hard to tell, could have been talking about your MANipulator 2015-01-16T07:21:44 < dongs> im getting production quote on 1k of them 2015-01-16T07:22:31 < PeterM> noice, using food safe rubber? 2015-01-16T07:24:59 < dongs> enclosure is not my problme :) 2015-01-16T07:33:03 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 2015-01-16T07:38:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.106.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-16T07:39:01 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-16T07:44:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-10-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T07:49:12 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T08:08:58 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7bf770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T08:19:43 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T08:20:04 < jpa-> i'm doing STM32F4 ADC 3 channel regular conversion sequence and transferring data to RAM using circular DMA, handling data in interrupt on HTIF and TCIF 2015-01-16T08:20:54 < jpa-> is it possible that when DMA gets overloaded it skips one channel and the channels lose sync (1. becomes 2. etc.)? 2015-01-16T08:20:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7bf770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-16T08:21:02 < jpa-> and is there any way to detect that condition? 2015-01-16T08:21:42 < jpa-> adc overrun flag? 2015-01-16T08:22:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-16T08:23:04 < emeb_mac> I've not seen that 2015-01-16T08:23:26 < emeb_mac> but I may not have run DMA hard enough to overload it 2015-01-16T08:24:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-10-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-16T08:24:55 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T08:25:53 < jpa-> i have now seen it once in 3 years 2015-01-16T08:26:03 < jpa-> or atleast suspect it 2015-01-16T08:26:25 < jpa-> of course i'm not checking any error flags 2015-01-16T08:29:13 < emeb_mac> if that happens it would be pretty bad 2015-01-16T08:30:00 < emeb_mac> all the places I use ADC DMA of sequential channels could end up swapping things around 2015-01-16T08:35:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T08:35:25 < emeb_mac> suppose you could look at DMEIFx 2015-01-16T08:36:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-74-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T08:37:13 < jpa-> in theory DMA is guaranteed 1/2 of the APB2 access cycles; my APB2 freq is 84MHz, so atleast 42 MHz access freq; DMA is running at 600kHz 2015-01-16T08:37:25 < jpa-> does not seem like it should be anywhere close to capacity 2015-01-16T08:37:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-16T08:42:57 < jpa-> of course i have also configured the fastest DMA stream of my system on the lowest priority 2015-01-16T08:43:20 < jpa-> it's still rate monotonic scheduling, right? :P 2015-01-16T08:50:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d43e8f.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-16T09:23:15 < qyx_> i like this iwdg 2015-01-16T09:28:53 < dongs> jpa, on the F1-based ESC ADC runs at max msps and I've never seen that happen 2015-01-16T09:29:12 < qyx_> O_o 2015-01-16T09:29:21 < qyx_> are you sensing back-emf with adc? 2015-01-16T09:29:21 < dongs> also how would it even be technically possible to reorder ? 2015-01-16T09:29:25 < dongs> qyx_: yea 2015-01-16T09:29:34 < dongs> adc + average up etc. 2015-01-16T09:31:39 < qyx_> i like this idea 2015-01-16T09:35:49 < zyp> I remember I was outputting the ADC samples and graphing them 2015-01-16T09:35:57 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/w7OMR.png <- like this 2015-01-16T09:36:29 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/jLtfb.png 2015-01-16T09:39:31 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/GiRzr.png <- I think this is from adjusting the commutation point 2015-01-16T09:42:10 < qyx_> usually it is implemented with just comparator and external interrupt 2015-01-16T09:42:23 < qyx_> or internal one 2015-01-16T09:42:55 < qyx_> this is more pro 2015-01-16T09:43:44 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, my problem was probably due to bad dma priority 2015-01-16T09:43:58 < jpa-> the SPI to SD card had higher priority.. so maybe it starved the adc dma 2015-01-16T09:44:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/UErRM.png <- I think this is was a transition from fixed commutation to closed loop feedback 2015-01-16T09:44:24 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-16T09:44:33 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/0wW9G.png <- and I don't know wtf this was 2015-01-16T09:45:31 < zyp> I guess it missed after switching to closed loop feedback and stalled the motor 2015-01-16T09:45:41 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T09:47:04 < zyp> hmm, now I got tempted to revive that project 2015-01-16T09:54:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T09:58:04 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T10:05:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-74-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-16T10:21:02 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-16T10:25:41 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T10:31:06 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T10:57:52 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-16T11:03:32 < dongs> what hteh lel 2015-01-16T11:03:37 < dongs> 47nF 0402 caps 2015-01-16T11:05:14 < PeterM> aaaaand? 2015-01-16T11:05:21 < dongs> seems hard 2 find 2015-01-16T11:05:27 < dongs> either in 47nF or 47000pFD 2015-01-16T11:05:29 < dongs> either in 47nF or 47000pF 2015-01-16T11:08:48 < PeterM> http://www.digikey.com.au/product-search/en?pv13=1178&pv13=437&pv13=33&pv13=823&pv16=4&FV=fff40002%2Cfff8000b&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500 2015-01-16T11:10:09 < dongs> ohh 2015-01-16T11:13:24 < qyx_> lets innovate xmodem from its '80 to 2015 2015-01-16T11:14:26 < dongs> xmodem? fuck off 2015-01-16T11:14:27 < dongs> zmodem > * 2015-01-16T11:15:42 < qyx_> too complex 2015-01-16T11:29:19 < PaulFertser> kermit? 2015-01-16T11:32:05 < PaulFertser> EMSI! 2015-01-16T11:34:28 < PaulFertser> Chatting with the SysOp during file transfer, wasn't that cool? 2015-01-16T11:35:12 < PaulFertser> FidoNet was the real thing! 2015-01-16T11:38:37 < ReadError> i hate how digikey and mouser do that 2015-01-16T11:38:48 < ReadError> they should have a box to just type in and it converts 2015-01-16T11:45:00 < qyx_> Unpacking systemd (215-8) ... 2015-01-16T11:45:02 < qyx_> rage 2015-01-16T11:46:16 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-16T11:49:01 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T11:59:17 < kakeman> having coffee maker next to bed 2015-01-16T12:00:07 < kakeman> when first alarm wakes me up I put it on 2015-01-16T12:00:18 < qyx_> 1987 zmodem C code 2015-01-16T12:00:24 < qyx_> lot of gotos 2015-01-16T12:00:28 < kakeman> second alarm I drink it all 2015-01-16T12:00:52 < qyx_> and every second variable defined as register 2015-01-16T12:02:33 < PaulFertser> kakeman: you should connect it to alarm. With an stm32 board of course ;) 2015-01-16T12:03:25 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-16T12:03:56 < kakeman> even better would be replacing orginal mcu 2015-01-16T12:04:27 < kakeman> then hack in some bluetooth or such 2015-01-16T12:08:14 < PaulFertser> ESP8266 wifi :) Or just some hame mpr-a15 clone which costs 10$. 2015-01-16T12:09:02 < kakeman> when I booted my chrome window upper bar has emerged little button with little person figure 2015-01-16T12:11:03 < dongs> kakeman: yes. i removed it instantly 2015-01-16T12:11:14 < dongs> about://flags, ctrl+f 'avatar' and d isable 2015-01-16T12:11:34 < kakeman> what a hell it is? 2015-01-16T12:11:39 < dongs> some google spyware 2015-01-16T12:11:45 < dongs> whlie you're at it, goto settings->disconnect google account 2015-01-16T12:11:47 < kakeman> fuuukkkkk 2015-01-16T12:12:00 < zyp> heh, I also removed that shit when I saw it yesterday 2015-01-16T12:12:00 < dongs> new version auto-signs you in also 2015-01-16T12:12:05 < dongs> zyp: lol 2015-01-16T12:12:07 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-16T12:12:15 < kakeman> google got to stop this shit 2015-01-16T12:12:26 < dongs> yeah, they make s omething halfway decent then shit it up 2015-01-16T12:12:37 < zyp> actually, I like the sync shit, I prefer having my workstation synced with my laptop and phone 2015-01-16T12:12:51 < zyp> but the profile selection shit is pointless when there's only a single profile 2015-01-16T12:12:59 < kakeman> phew I don't have my account logged in 2015-01-16T12:14:04 < kakeman> it would be mad if chrome would log in automatically by sniffin user/ passwd 2015-01-16T12:14:07 < dongs> kakeman: odd. the new trash logged me in without asking 2015-01-16T12:14:19 < dongs> just as that shitty icon showed up 2015-01-16T12:18:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:20:05 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-16T12:20:18 < kakeman> it be gone now 2015-01-16T12:42:03 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T12:42:03 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:42:03 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T12:42:03 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:46:57 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:50:47 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-16T12:56:29 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:57:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T12:57:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:57:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T12:57:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T12:59:37 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-16T13:04:17 < dongs> The Game Changer: Pre-Qualified PCB Libraries You'll Use Today 2015-01-16T13:04:17 < dongs> Take the pain and time-consuming task of PCB footprint and schematic symbol generation off your plate. Optimum Design Associates' pre-qualified PCB library symbols and footprints not only meet but, in many cases, exceed user requirements. 2015-01-16T13:11:12 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:20:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T13:21:21 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-16T13:21:37 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:22:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:27:30 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:27:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:32:12 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:39:19 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-16T13:39:53 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:44:50 < zyp> heh 2015-01-16T13:45:09 < zyp> «these pcb footprints are too good for you!» 2015-01-16T13:46:42 < jpa-> i hate status registers that clear automatically :F 2015-01-16T13:46:58 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-16T13:47:12 < Steffann> lol i was also annoyed by that chrome figure, but too lazy to google how to remove it 2015-01-16T13:47:28 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, that's annoying 2015-01-16T13:47:43 < zyp> I prefer w1_c 2015-01-16T13:48:11 < zyp> being completely explicit about what to clear makes the most sense 2015-01-16T13:50:25 < jpa-> yeah, as long as it is all w1_c then 2015-01-16T13:51:14 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T13:51:22 < jpa-> seems that stm32f1 i2c has every type... auto clear, auto clear when you read something else, write 0 to clear.. no w1c it seems 2015-01-16T13:53:28 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-16T13:54:04 < zyp> right way to handle stm32 i2c is to read both status registers in your processing function, and then handle all possible flags you care about since they are now cleared 2015-01-16T13:56:44 < jpa-> yeah 2015-01-16T13:56:59 < jpa-> but some smartass was reading SR1 somewhere totally else to detect i2c hangs 2015-01-16T14:12:22 < dongs> heh 2015-01-16T14:12:28 < dongs> in another thread? 2015-01-16T14:12:37 < dongs> nice 1 2015-01-16T14:14:39 < jpa-> well originally it was blocking on i2c dma inside interrupt 2015-01-16T14:15:16 < jpa-> so i guess if you do all i2c blockingly inside interrupts, the other code cannot disturb it :) 2015-01-16T14:18:27 < Laurenceb_> lol blocking interrupts 2015-01-16T14:18:33 < Laurenceb_> tarduino style 2015-01-16T14:18:47 < Laurenceb_> actually no - they dont know what an interrupt is 2015-01-16T14:18:48 < Steffann> no tarduinos poll 2015-01-16T14:18:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah lulz 2015-01-16T14:23:35 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-16T14:31:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T14:41:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T15:04:23 < dongs> tarduino core has some systick-esque shit doenst it? 2015-01-16T15:04:29 < dongs> inside timer0 or someshit 2015-01-16T15:04:43 < dongs> that they're using for millis() and shit 2015-01-16T15:05:23 < dongs> http://parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/18323/consequences-of-smoking-marihuana-during-pregnancy-especially-first-weeks 2015-01-16T15:15:55 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2015-01-16T15:33:22 < Tectu> didn't know dongs is pregnant 2015-01-16T15:36:21 < Tectu> anyway. StackExchange became a strange place 2015-01-16T15:37:17 < Steffanx> why? It's parenting.stackexchange.com .. 2015-01-16T15:39:22 < dongs> more like parenting.stacksexchange 2015-01-16T15:40:24 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T15:44:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-16T15:47:17 < Tectu> http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/71855/why-do-elevator-doors-close 2015-01-16T15:58:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-16T16:05:49 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T16:06:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T16:11:29 -!- rewolff [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T16:43:47 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-16T16:44:44 < dongs> http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07783507 2015-01-16T16:44:45 < dongs> lol 2015-01-16T16:44:50 < dongs> they are on goat street 2015-01-16T16:44:53 < dongs> i called up that number 2015-01-16T16:45:02 < dongs> 'hey man i wanna speak to ivan' 2015-01-16T16:45:06 < dongs> some kid picked up 2015-01-16T16:45:08 < dongs> sounds about 20ish 2015-01-16T16:45:16 < dongs> he's uh.. not here rigth now 2015-01-16T16:45:34 < Laurenceb> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=gropecunt+lane&hl=en&sll=53.994854,-4.064941&sspn=10.268036,19.753418&t=h&gl=uk&hnear=Grope+Ln,+Shrewsbury+SY1+1XS,+United+Kingdom&z=16 2015-01-16T16:45:35 < dongs> any idea when he gonna be back? not too important i just wanna shoot some shit 2015-01-16T16:45:49 < dongs> 'uhh can you hold on' 2015-01-16T16:46:00 < englishman> getting a ring from dongs is a trolling right of passage 2015-01-16T16:46:02 < dongs> like 5 seconds later' uh i duno hes not here, duno when hes back' 2015-01-16T16:46:19 < dongs> told them ill call back later 2015-01-16T16:46:22 < dongs> englishman: now your turn 2015-01-16T16:47:01 < englishman> i am a much lower level troll 2015-01-16T16:47:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30844699 2015-01-16T16:47:33 < Laurenceb> lolz 2015-01-16T16:47:45 < Laurenceb> dat MS Outlook 2015-01-16T16:48:27 < englishman> Incorporation date 22/09/2011 2015-01-16T16:48:37 < dongs> check out their assets 2015-01-16T16:48:56 < dongs> 31k gbp is like wat, a decent scope? 2015-01-16T16:49:10 < Laurenceb> heh companies house 2015-01-16T16:49:12 < Laurenceb> yup 2015-01-16T16:54:29 < englishman> but they used to have 46k last year 2015-01-16T16:54:33 < englishman> so maybe they bought a scope 2015-01-16T16:54:50 < dongs> not with what they have in the videos 2015-01-16T16:55:03 < dongs> behind their dickstarter videos they got like shelves with waht looks like drawers for DIP parts 2015-01-16T16:55:19 < englishman> arduino starter kit and 5,000 breadboards 2015-01-16T16:55:21 < dongs> http://www.hse.gov.uk/notices/recipient/recipient_details.asp?SV=4063158 2015-01-16T16:55:40 < dongs> same addy 2015-01-16T16:56:40 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-16T16:57:07 < englishman> looks like his mom is on the board of directors 2015-01-16T16:57:12 < dongs> yes 2015-01-16T16:57:52 < dongs> http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Why+the+world+will+soon+be+talking+about+Torquing%3B+Ivan+Reedman+began...-a0285893839 2015-01-16T16:58:02 < Laurenceb> it could be his wife 2015-01-16T16:58:09 < dongs> dude's like 25 2015-01-16T16:58:16 < dongs> also torquing has been aroudn for 25 yeras!!111 2015-01-16T16:58:20 < englishman> he Adelaide-born 36-year-old 2015-01-16T16:58:29 < dongs> englishman: i think they got some facts wrong 2015-01-16T16:58:33 < englishman> did he have english accent or aussie accent 2015-01-16T16:58:36 < dongs> the australia is the footballer guy 2015-01-16T16:58:42 < englishman> lol wat 2015-01-16T16:58:47 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/reece-crowther/a9/12/a1b 2015-01-16T16:58:48 < dongs> this 2015-01-16T16:58:51 < Laurenceb> where I work we have zero money 2015-01-16T16:59:09 < Laurenceb> http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08112962/HEARTLIGHT-SYSTEMS-LIMITED 2015-01-16T16:59:31 < englishman> taxes are nicer when you make no money 2015-01-16T16:59:40 < dongs> At 14 he registered himself as a business under the name Torquing. He worked as a digital forensics specialist and an expert witness By the time he reached his early 30s he decided he had "hit a ceiling" of what he could do in Australia and he moved to the UK, to London initially where he found a job with an IT company. 2015-01-16T16:59:45 < dongs> haha 2015-01-16T17:00:03 < dongs> ok so maybe they're both from austrlia 2015-01-16T17:00:08 < dongs> reece + other guy. 2015-01-16T17:00:36 < englishman> must be wife 2015-01-16T17:00:48 < englishman> anna dietrich -> anna reedman after name change 2015-01-16T17:01:18 < Laurenceb> wifecopter 2015-01-16T17:01:23 < englishman> plus two people both named philip busby 2015-01-16T17:01:47 < Steffanx> Still zanoing much dongs? 2015-01-16T17:02:15 < Laurenceb> xorbing? 2015-01-16T17:02:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLNGsz6eu70 2015-01-16T17:03:11 < englishman> have you checked out the other two companies listed as part owners 2015-01-16T17:03:31 < dongs> http://ces15.mapyourshow.com/6_0/exhibitor/exhibitor-details.cfm?ExhID=T0002481 2015-01-16T17:03:32 < dongs> ah 2015-01-16T17:03:50 < Laurenceb> haha 2015-01-16T17:03:53 < dongs> thats the place they moved 'into' 2015-01-16T17:03:54 < dongs> http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=&parent_directory_id=104&id=23974&language= 2015-01-16T17:03:58 < Tectu> http://i.imgur.com/CCjxv0l.jpg 2015-01-16T17:04:02 < Tectu> attn dongs, jewish crap 2015-01-16T17:05:02 < englishman> http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/phil-busby/41/792/96 2015-01-16T17:05:36 < dongs> trailer solutions 2015-01-16T17:05:49 < Laurenceb> more like trailertrash 2015-01-16T17:06:01 < dongs> just what i was thining 2015-01-16T17:06:19 < dongs> skills: petrochemical 2015-01-16T17:06:48 < englishman> https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/reece-crowther/a9/12/a1b 2015-01-16T17:06:54 < dongs> pasted that already 2015-01-16T17:06:56 < dongs> the footlabber 2015-01-16T17:06:58 < dongs> baller, too 2015-01-16T17:07:03 < englishman> oh right 2015-01-16T17:07:04 < Steffanx> soccer 2015-01-16T17:07:10 < dongs> is there a difference 2015-01-16T17:07:11 < englishman> hes this guy http://companycheck.co.uk/company/09150702/ROCKFORD-LANE-LIMITED/directors-secretaries 2015-01-16T17:07:24 < Steffanx> just in case some yankee is lurking here 2015-01-16T17:07:37 < englishman> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Reece_Crowther.jpg 2015-01-16T17:08:08 < dongs> thats the guy 2015-01-16T17:08:21 < dongs> why is he on wikipedo 2015-01-16T17:08:30 < englishman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reece_Crowther 2015-01-16T17:08:40 < dongs> haha 1988 2015-01-16T17:08:42 < dongs> fucking kids 2015-01-16T17:09:07 < englishman> new ssd arrived, time to upgrade to win7 2015-01-16T17:09:16 < dongs> you mean windows 8.1 2015-01-16T17:09:23 < englishman> nope thats what i have now 2015-01-16T17:09:41 < dongs> win7 is EOL 2015-01-16T17:10:54 < englishman> do you have to run all installaers as administrator 2015-01-16T17:10:57 < englishman> so annoying 2015-01-16T17:11:01 < dongs> wat 2015-01-16T17:11:06 < dongs> UAC?? 2015-01-16T17:11:08 < englishman> this is win8 shit 2015-01-16T17:11:14 < dongs> uac works fine 2015-01-16T17:11:20 < dongs> some installers dont need elevation 2015-01-16T17:11:23 < dongs> if they're made properly 2015-01-16T17:11:24 < dongs> for win8 2015-01-16T17:11:31 < dongs> installing into local appdata or hwatver 2015-01-16T17:11:46 < dongs> k, theory 2015-01-16T17:11:53 < dongs> gps dudes + lantronix financed some of this scam 2015-01-16T17:12:24 < dongs> cuz liek, who the fuck uses lantronix 2015-01-16T17:12:27 < englishman> oh wow, you're not kidding, win7 support ended jan 13 2015-01-16T17:12:30 < dongs> and that gps module uses sirfstar 2015-01-16T17:12:38 < dongs> which is shit that noone uses also 2015-01-16T17:12:46 < dongs> englishman: correct, i saw some tweets about it 2015-01-16T17:13:48 < ReadError> win7 is already perfect 2015-01-16T17:13:51 < ReadError> who needs support 2015-01-16T17:14:02 < englishman> i can try win10 thru dreamspark 2015-01-16T17:14:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-16T17:14:14 < ReadError> you dont even need that 2015-01-16T17:14:23 < ReadError> plus win10 has a keylogger 2015-01-16T17:14:44 < ReadError> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/windows-10-technical-preview-contains-keylogger-06-10-2014/ 2015-01-16T17:15:14 < ReadError> “Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.” 2015-01-16T17:15:21 < dongs> zzzz 2015-01-16T17:16:06 < Steffanx> yeah, just ignore the facts 2015-01-16T17:16:23 < englishman> collecting evidence of trolling 2015-01-16T17:16:53 < ReadError> they are trying to compete with google 2015-01-16T17:17:04 < ReadError> info = $$$$ 2015-01-16T17:17:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6UYFpdIDXc#t=45 left to right: 2015-01-16T17:17:29 < dongs> ivan, ivans wife, footballer, and that rockford wahtever dude + his wife 2015-01-16T17:17:48 < dongs> phil busby 2015-01-16T17:18:01 < dongs> hm no 2015-01-16T17:18:05 < dongs> he doenst have gray hair 2015-01-16T17:18:09 < dongs> need to figure out who that is 2015-01-16T17:19:46 < englishman> theres another dietrich 2015-01-16T17:20:44 < Steffanx> busby does have grey hair dongs 2015-01-16T17:20:54 < Steffanx> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/philip-v-busby/60/7a6/705?trk=pub-pbmap totally grey 2015-01-16T17:21:12 < dongs> haha, o shit 2015-01-16T17:22:54 < englishman> close up on the wine glasses 2015-01-16T17:23:00 < englishman> make sure audience knows theyre having FUN 2015-01-16T17:23:13 < dongs> cuz drinking is the fun 2015-01-16T17:26:01 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20121011073617/http://www.torquingrobotics.com/ 2015-01-16T17:26:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T17:27:06 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20121011230853/http://www.torquinggroup.com/index.php?page=tg1 2015-01-16T17:27:32 < dongs> We also offer a tailored service of bespoke .Dashboard Views. which are built to show the data how you wish to see it. This can be against other key performance indicators from your business such as Energy cost per Job, Energy Cost per shift. 2015-01-16T17:27:36 < dongs> energy cost per shit 2015-01-16T17:27:46 < dongs> news for turds, stuff that splatters 2015-01-16T17:32:24 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20121029080438/http://www.torquingtechnology.com/index.php?page=tt13 2015-01-16T17:32:41 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20121029080443/http://www.torquingtechnology.com/index.php?page=tt8 2015-01-16T17:32:47 < dongs> XML Web Programming 2015-01-16T17:32:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T17:34:01 < dongs> they claim to be iso9001 certified, Laurenceb isnt that shit public 2015-01-16T17:34:21 < dongs> tho io guess its easy to get certified when you dont do anything 2015-01-16T17:34:31 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol 2015-01-16T17:34:34 < englishman> 100% of 0% 2015-01-16T17:34:35 < Laurenceb> iso9001 is bullcrap 2015-01-16T17:34:40 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-16T17:34:47 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9835433 <- whats wrong with my usb device? 2015-01-16T17:34:58 < Laurenceb> does that mean 0 comms took place with the processor? 2015-01-16T17:35:00 < dongs> Stuart Reedman founded Sensio Solutions after continuing requests from companies for his assistance in solving production problems. Stuart has wide range of electronic design and manufacturing experience as a qualified professional electronics engineer, and has used this experience to assist customers with a diverse range of product designs from secure entry systems and industrial process controllers, through to Military and Humanitarian large scale mine clearance sy 2015-01-16T17:35:20 < emeb> http://imgur.com/gallery/vToOnPa 2015-01-16T17:43:19 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T17:43:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T17:43:27 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/angela-reedman-polinski/5b/461/400 2015-01-16T17:43:30 < dongs> holy fucking lol 2015-01-16T17:43:39 < dongs> you know why all you can find from torquing is press release??? 2015-01-16T17:43:44 < dongs> I provide freelance professional writing services to corporate and government clients globally writing: 2015-01-16T17:43:47 < dongs> Press Releases & Media Communications 2015-01-16T17:44:45 < gxti_> dongs on a witchhunt? 2015-01-16T17:44:53 < dongs> more like on a lolhunt 2015-01-16T17:44:58 < dongs> im ssitting here giggling 2015-01-16T17:45:24 < dongs> http://www.training.com.au/ed/apprenticeship-programs-in-it/ 2015-01-16T17:47:21 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-16T17:47:32 < Laurenceb> can anyone advice me how to debug a failing usb device? 2015-01-16T17:47:37 < dongs> rblog 2015-01-16T17:47:39 < gxti_> 240VAC 2015-01-16T17:47:40 < Laurenceb> wireshark maybe? 2015-01-16T17:47:47 < dongs> Laurenceb: ask zyp, he uses some pro shit 2015-01-16T17:47:56 < dongs> i saw him paste a super cute usb protocol analysis thing 2015-01-16T17:48:01 < dongs> of his m0+ USB shit failing 2015-01-16T17:48:31 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-16T17:48:40 < Laurenceb> maybe i have a hardware issue 2015-01-16T17:49:39 < Laurenceb> I've ported my datalogger project to another board, but http://pastie.org/9835433 2015-01-16T17:50:30 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-16T17:52:16 < Laurenceb> maybe i broke the PLL 2015-01-16T18:02:42 < Laurenceb> can two interrupts have the same priority settings? 2015-01-16T18:08:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-16T18:12:04 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-16T18:17:50 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/lib/CMSIS_CM3/system_stm32f10x.c 2015-01-16T18:17:56 < Laurenceb> does line 672 look ok? 2015-01-16T18:18:20 < gxti_> yes interrupts can have the same priority 2015-01-16T18:23:57 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-16T18:24:03 < Laurenceb> hmm I cant see my error then 2015-01-16T18:24:19 < Laurenceb> PLLMUL4 from 12mhz xtal should be ok 2015-01-16T18:24:29 < Laurenceb> i disabled DIV1.5 for the usb 2015-01-16T18:24:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.110] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T18:25:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T18:25:37 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-16T18:31:58 < BrainDamage> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 2015-01-16T18:32:27 < dongs> opensores. 2015-01-16T18:34:41 < ReadError> do they just use github for readme.md files or some shit? 2015-01-16T18:37:22 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T18:38:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: have you read the description? Steam's proprietary code is so shitty that they managed to delete all the user's files. That wasn't open source code, that was something written by "professionals" on salary. 2015-01-16T18:40:07 * Laurenceb gets back into full rage mode 2015-01-16T18:42:03 < Laurenceb> guess itd make sense to quit faffing with code and check my hardware 2015-01-16T18:43:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-16T18:44:45 < PaulFertser> Also, note how professionally Valve reacts to that. 2015-01-16T18:45:08 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-16T18:45:26 < Laurenceb> at least they sacked Jeri 2015-01-16T18:46:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T18:46:31 < dongs> more like jerry 2015-01-16T18:46:38 < dongs> speaking of that 2015-01-16T18:46:43 < dongs> how is that vr trash doing 2015-01-16T18:46:45 < dongs> i already forgot its name 2015-01-16T18:47:50 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-16T18:48:55 < englishman> CastAR 2015-01-16T18:49:02 < englishman> rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"* could be evaluated as rm -rf "/"* if $STEAMROOT is empty 2015-01-16T18:49:11 < englishman> yay lunix 2015-01-16T18:49:14 < dongs> yes, io saw that and closed page 2015-01-16T18:49:51 < PaulFertser> englishman: isn't it the same in every other Unix-like system? 2015-01-16T18:50:00 < Laurenceb> lol I think i found my problem 2015-01-16T18:50:07 < englishman> (l)unix 2015-01-16T18:50:14 < Laurenceb> screwed up my reflow oven 2015-01-16T18:50:17 < englishman> GNU+Lunix 2015-01-16T18:50:22 < Laurenceb> there are unreflowed joints 2015-01-16T18:50:31 < Laurenceb> GOAT+Luoonix 2015-01-16T18:51:54 < PaulFertser> englishman: so some retarded professional proprietary programmers decided to write a shell script for unix, made a horrible beginner's mistake, screwed their users, Valve didn't apologise, and that's all because "*nix sucks"? If you read more of the comments there, you'll see they did similar shit on Windows before. 2015-01-16T18:52:13 < englishman> still lold 2015-01-16T18:53:28 < PaulFertser> btw, if they didn't have useless * in there, GNU rm version would refuse to proceed (as a non-standard safety measure). 2015-01-16T18:54:34 < dongs> http://www.google.com/patents/WO2014064431A2?cl=en 2015-01-16T18:54:53 < GargantuaSauce> also if you havent had steam clobber your system under windows, you havent been using steam long enough 2015-01-16T19:06:51 < Laurenceb> holy shit 2015-01-16T19:06:53 < Laurenceb> https://vine.co/u/1167773680030359552 2015-01-16T19:06:55 < Laurenceb> so epic 2015-01-16T19:07:47 < emeb> better luck next time 2015-01-16T19:09:05 < emeb> "rapid unscheduled disassembly" 2015-01-16T19:09:36 < dongs> http://listings.findthecompany.co.uk/l/167656630/Sensiotech-Limited-in-Haverfordwest-United-Kingdom 2015-01-16T19:11:38 < emeb> meanwhile, in my front yard: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/IMG_0232.JPG 2015-01-16T19:12:04 < dongs> looks exciting 2015-01-16T19:12:04 < Laurenceb> thats deep 2015-01-16T19:12:09 < emeb> > 8' 2015-01-16T19:14:35 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://vine.co/v/hTPhwBUHzvJ 2015-01-16T19:18:32 < PaulFertser> I've held a board with stm32f7 in my hands today. 2015-01-16T19:18:48 < dongs> how long was the errata 2015-01-16T19:18:51 < dongs> could you FEEL IT 2015-01-16T19:19:01 < dongs> also, pics or it didnt happen 2015-01-16T19:19:55 < Laurenceb> I wonder how fast it is in reality 2015-01-16T19:19:58 < PaulFertser> dongs: my phone is Openmoko Freerunner, it got no camera. Didn't see the errata. The board looked like a pretty standard ST big eval board with LCD and some such, with STM32F7 in BGA. 2015-01-16T19:20:24 < dongs> we should start a #stm32 donate PaulFertser a phone that isn't a piece of shit fund 2015-01-16T19:20:28 < dongs> maybe a dickstarter 2015-01-16T19:20:55 < PaulFertser> The ST engineer said he hopes there'd be some chip that's faster than 200MHz, meaning he was a bit disappointed with the current specs. But I guess that's just a MHz-urge, nothing more. 2015-01-16T19:21:21 < emeb> PaulFertser: cool! Looking forward to trying some of my DSP out on that. 2015-01-16T19:22:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: yeah, neo900 is quite expensive, I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford it once it's out ;) 2015-01-16T19:23:15 < Laurenceb> supposedly there will be a 400MHZ ONE 2015-01-16T19:23:40 < emeb> seems like with the M7 CPU upgrades the MIPS/MHz is about 50% better than M4. 2015-01-16T19:23:42 < PaulFertser> I wonder how they claim same performance from RAM and Flash, no matter how smart the accelerator is, can it really always avoid the wait cycles? 2015-01-16T19:42:15 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Falcon 2015-01-16T19:48:07 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-16T19:48:54 < Steffanx> enjoy Laurenceb 2015-01-16T19:49:06 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-16T19:53:35 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-16T19:53:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T20:00:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-16T20:10:56 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-01-16T20:28:55 -!- Devilhol1 is now known as Devilholk 2015-01-16T20:29:31 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T20:32:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T20:35:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-16T20:39:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T20:51:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T20:52:50 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-01-16T20:53:31 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T20:58:46 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acc83.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T21:15:43 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-16T21:16:40 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T21:27:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T21:32:20 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-01-16T21:34:01 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T21:36:52 < dymk> Is it possible to get away with no Rext on the HSE crystal, and just have the two load caps? 2015-01-16T21:38:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-16T21:43:07 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-01-16T21:44:02 < PaulFertser> dymk: have you seen http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00221665.pdf ? 2015-01-16T21:44:03 < Laurenceb> what logic analysers do people here use? 2015-01-16T21:44:12 < Laurenceb> I'm going to have to get one to fix my spi code :-/ 2015-01-16T21:44:20 < Laurenceb> no use raging at a keyboard for weeks 2015-01-16T21:44:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:3e8f:0:c1ca:6e51:a8cf:1ec3] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T21:44:44 < dymk> PaulFertser, yep, seems l like I can, but eh, probably should use one anyways 2015-01-16T21:45:46 < Steffanx> Laurenceb cheap arse seleaeaeae clone 2015-01-16T21:45:55 < PaulFertser> dymk: I think the ref design lacks Rext, check some disco board schematics and such. It depends on the particular quartz you're going to use too. 2015-01-16T21:46:33 < Laurenceb> like which one? 2015-01-16T21:46:38 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/crystal-load-wisdom.txt 2015-01-16T21:47:39 < Laurenceb> I guess this looks ok 2015-01-16T21:47:41 < Laurenceb> http://sigrok.org/wiki/MCU123_Saleae_Logic_clone 2015-01-16T21:47:48 < Laurenceb> dunno if it will help 2015-01-16T21:47:59 < Laurenceb> after 2 weeks work all I can make is an spi echo device 2015-01-16T21:48:12 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T21:56:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:00:54 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:02:57 < englishman> Laurenceb, what Steffanx said 2015-01-16T22:03:45 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-16T22:03:55 < englishman> $8-12 on aliexpress/ebay 2015-01-16T22:09:15 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-16T22:09:37 < Laurenceb> do interrupts that fire when global interrupts are disabled get run when interrupts are re anbled? 2015-01-16T22:09:51 < Laurenceb> __disable_irq() stuff 2015-01-16T22:16:14 < Steffanx> yes 2015-01-16T22:17:03 < gxti_> disabling prevents it from being called but it remains pending 2015-01-16T22:19:34 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-16T22:23:39 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-16T22:27:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:28:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-16T22:29:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.91] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:34:24 -!- scrts_ [~quassel@46.17.57.19] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T22:34:24 -!- scrts_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:38:08 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:39:48 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T22:41:31 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-16T23:19:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-16T23:19:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T23:19:49 < englishman> for dongs https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sonicable-the-world-s-most-advanced-charging-cable 2015-01-16T23:19:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-16T23:19:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T23:24:29 < englishman> castAR completely flawless according to hackaday 2015-01-16T23:29:52 < Steffanx> completely is impossible, but would it be that weird that it works? 2015-01-16T23:36:27 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-16T23:36:29 < Tectu_> what did I just see 2015-01-16T23:36:43 < Tectu_> they say the cable is 25% thicker and that this is a good thing because the cable is more durable - nice. 2015-01-16T23:36:44 < Tectu_> wtf 2015-01-16T23:36:53 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-16T23:38:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-16T23:42:39 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-16T23:47:59 < _Sync__> 25% thicker than what 2015-01-16T23:48:02 < _Sync__> apples? 2015-01-16T23:50:47 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-16T23:52:18 < zyp> than your dick 2015-01-16T23:59:38 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sat Jan 17 2015 2015-01-17T00:11:46 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-17T00:14:22 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T00:15:27 < emeb> zing! 2015-01-17T00:18:45 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T00:23:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7bf770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T00:35:47 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@180-150-98-89.cust.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T00:36:06 < KreAture_Zzz> anyone had any issues with portf (pf0 and pf1) on stm32f030 ? Mine doesn't wanna do output 2015-01-17T00:36:35 < zyp> are they supposed to? 2015-01-17T00:36:38 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-17T00:36:45 < zyp> is that the pins normally used for oscillator? 2015-01-17T00:37:03 < KreAture_Zzz> yes but I set them to gpio and as outputs 2015-01-17T00:37:08 < KreAture_Zzz> they are 5v tolerant io 2015-01-17T00:37:14 < KreAture_Zzz> according to datasheet 2015-01-17T00:37:23 < KreAture_Zzz> cannot find any mention of them not being io ok 2015-01-17T00:37:49 < KreAture_Zzz> and yes they are osc-in and osc-out if you enable the osc 2015-01-17T00:38:39 < KreAture_Zzz> They seem to act oddly 2015-01-17T00:39:13 < KreAture_Zzz> after reset they are both at 1.8v 2015-01-17T00:40:50 < KreAture_Zzz> They don't seem to change with config 2015-01-17T00:42:24 < zyp> are you sure there's no mode override anywhere? 2015-01-17T00:42:50 < zyp> also, did you remember to enable GPIOF in RCC? :) 2015-01-17T00:45:44 < KreAture_Zzz> yes 2015-01-17T00:45:46 < KreAture_Zzz> I enabled it 2015-01-17T00:45:50 < KreAture_Zzz> I suspect I have burned it 2015-01-17T00:45:57 < KreAture_Zzz> I found that one of em was shorted to gnd 2015-01-17T00:46:13 < KreAture_Zzz> I only used low drive but they are probably not short circuit safe 2015-01-17T00:46:27 < KreAture_Zzz> dang 2015-01-17T00:46:37 < KreAture_Zzz> atleast I found the short for one 2015-01-17T00:46:45 < KreAture_Zzz> The other is ok though, so maby they died together 2015-01-17T00:47:55 -!- scrts_ is now known as scrts 2015-01-17T00:52:43 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T00:52:55 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T01:21:52 < trepidaciousMBR> KreAture_Zzz: I don't know about the 030, but on the f4's I think the OSC pins CAN be used as GPIO, but they have a few notes about worse specs 2015-01-17T01:22:00 < trepidaciousMBR> I think they can sink/souce less current, etc? 2015-01-17T01:22:10 < KreAture_Zzz> maby 2015-01-17T01:22:17 < KreAture_Zzz> I remapped to some other pins for this one 2015-01-17T01:22:21 < KreAture_Zzz> will test new chip later 2015-01-17T01:22:26 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-17T01:22:52 < trepidaciousMBR> I haven't actually used them as GPIO on the F4, the datasheet kind of put me off ;) 2015-01-17T01:26:07 < englishman> 1.8v output... sounds like xtal is enabled 2015-01-17T01:28:04 < KreAture_> englishman may be 2015-01-17T01:28:07 < KreAture_> will hunt it down later 2015-01-17T01:28:13 < KreAture_> just wanna get this oled working :) 2015-01-17T01:42:56 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@180-150-98-89.cust.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-17T01:43:59 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-17T01:44:08 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-17T01:45:39 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-17T01:50:26 < emeb> lol - playing with an F401 Discovery... used default system_stm32f4xx w/ F407 clock settings. Ran fine at 168MHz... 2015-01-17T01:50:36 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T01:50:56 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T01:51:28 < trepidaciousMBR> Nice :) 2015-01-17T01:51:55 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T01:56:48 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T01:59:41 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-17T02:00:03 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-17T02:00:45 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d7fa70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T02:02:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7bf770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-17T02:02:06 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d7fa70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-17T02:03:26 < zyp> how fast is it rated for? 2015-01-17T02:03:57 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T02:05:14 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-17T02:06:15 * KreAture_ is being bested by this oled 2015-01-17T02:06:32 < KreAture_> The docs are horrid, and I am making all mistakes I can 2015-01-17T02:06:34 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-17T02:06:43 < zyp> sounds fun 2015-01-17T02:07:16 < KreAture_> I think I have the spi mode correct now, and I have checked my rs, cs and reset lines work correct 2015-01-17T02:07:30 < KreAture_> my pwm based boost converted generates a beautifull 13v for the VDDHV 2015-01-17T02:07:48 < KreAture_> It's actually generated from the same mcu that is controlling the system 2015-01-17T02:07:56 < KreAture_> may not be a bright idea but we'll see 2015-01-17T02:08:31 < KreAture_> (It will be running i2c state machine receiving data, converting and sending on spi while running adc and adjusting pid for the display power 2015-01-17T02:08:32 < KreAture_> ) 2015-01-17T02:08:48 < KreAture_> hehe 2015-01-17T02:09:52 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T02:17:09 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T02:19:14 < dongs> wassup innovators 2015-01-17T02:19:33 < dongs> < emeb> lol - playing with an F401 Discovery... used default system_stm32f4xx w/ F407 clock settings. Ran fine at 168MHz... 2015-01-17T02:19:40 < dongs> what 401 runs at? 72? 2015-01-17T02:20:07 < dongs> 84 2015-01-17T02:20:09 < dongs> pfft 2015-01-17T02:20:55 < KreAture_> hey dongs 2015-01-17T02:21:11 * KreAture_ is still fiddling with his oled 2015-01-17T02:21:32 < KreAture_> combine bad docs with fiddly interface and you have a sure winner 2015-01-17T02:22:35 < emeb> dongs: ya - 401 is cheapo F4. Slower, less flash & SRAM. 2015-01-17T02:23:04 < emeb> but seems to work at the higher speed, at least at room temp & full voltage. 2015-01-17T02:23:07 < qyx_> emeb: really? 2015-01-17T02:23:10 < emeb> yep 2015-01-17T02:23:18 < zyp> with your particular part ;) 2015-01-17T02:23:29 < qyx_> i have some boards with f401 here, should try 2015-01-17T02:23:33 < zyp> and whatever task it was doing 2015-01-17T02:23:33 < emeb> zyp: yes - many qualifications. Wouldn't ship this. 2015-01-17T02:24:23 < zyp> hmm, I should probably look into how to turn on the HSI48 calibration stuff on L0 2015-01-17T02:24:57 < emeb> kinda surprised that ST shipped the firmware pkg for the F401 with the F407 clock setup in it by default... 2015-01-17T02:25:32 < zyp> last time I dicked around with L0 I just got usb to work with uncalibrated HSI48 and then stopped caring 2015-01-17T02:26:43 < Laurenceb_> zyp: have you had usb running on F1? 2015-01-17T02:27:07 < Laurenceb_> I've just ported my datalogger project to a new board running at 48mhz, but no luck with the usb 2015-01-17T02:27:31 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/9835433 2015-01-17T02:27:48 < zyp> sure 2015-01-17T02:28:00 < zyp> F1, F3, F4, L0 so far 2015-01-17T02:28:27 < Laurenceb_> so cpu at 48mhz, usb clocked directly should just work? 2015-01-17T02:28:37 < Laurenceb_> 48mhz sysclock 2015-01-17T02:29:05 < zyp> IIRC there's a divide by 1.5 flag that you're supposed to use when cpu is running at 72 2015-01-17T02:29:12 < zyp> so make sure that's not set, I guess 2015-01-17T02:29:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah I spotted and fixed that 2015-01-17T02:29:20 < zyp> (in RCC) 2015-01-17T02:29:32 < zyp> I think that should be only difference 2015-01-17T02:29:46 < Laurenceb_> ok 2015-01-17T02:30:57 < Laurenceb_> any idea from the log I pasted? 2015-01-17T02:31:12 < Laurenceb_> it the USB peripheral basically dead ? 2015-01-17T02:31:24 < zyp> oh, missed that you posted a log 2015-01-17T02:31:35 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-17T02:31:57 < Laurenceb_> ok, I've tested the board it all seems fine 2015-01-17T02:32:08 < zyp> as far as I can tell, host spots the d+ resistor and starts enumerating, but all commands it's trying is failing 2015-01-17T02:32:11 < Laurenceb_> I'll have to hook it up to debug 2015-01-17T02:33:20 < Laurenceb_> maybe I just did something stupid like leaving interrupts disabled 2015-01-17T02:34:09 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-17T02:34:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T02:37:22 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-17T02:45:11 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-17T02:55:11 < dongs> This is where the Zano OS runs. The Zano OS is fully secured, closed source, and is the T.G. group's Intellectual Property. 2015-01-17T02:55:18 < dongs> fully secured closed source 2015-01-17T02:58:15 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-17T03:01:53 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T03:06:23 < dongs> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2021908 2015-01-17T03:06:30 < dongs> cool ST WLCSP 2015-01-17T03:06:52 < englishman> You are not authorized to access this page. 2015-01-17T03:06:57 < dongs> eh rly 2015-01-17T03:06:58 < englishman> but wlcsp is always cool 2015-01-17T03:08:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UwF8zJu.jpg 2015-01-17T03:11:10 < dongs> zano lantronix module peaks out at 72mbps in ofdm mode, and drops to 11mbps in dsss mode when signal is shit 2015-01-17T03:11:12 < englishman> nice routing, like it was laid out with ballpoint pen without a ruler in reach 2015-01-17T03:11:46 < dongs> since thats a F205 i doubt there's gonna be any mbps-class transmission there going at all 2015-01-17T03:12:05 < dongs> shit probably maxes at few 100k/sec 2015-01-17T03:12:07 < englishman> is that zano-related board? 2015-01-17T03:12:10 < dongs> yes 2015-01-17T03:12:14 < dongs> thats its wifi module 2015-01-17T03:12:14 < englishman> on fcc.gov? 2015-01-17T03:12:16 < dongs> y 2015-01-17T03:12:19 < englishman> oh module, k 2015-01-17T03:12:25 < dongs> R68XPICOW 2015-01-17T03:12:41 < qyx_> whats the flash for 2015-01-17T03:13:48 < englishman> http://fccid.net/document.php?id=2021912 2015-01-17T03:13:53 < englishman> this looks like a very boring job 2015-01-17T03:14:33 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T03:15:06 < englishman> qyx_: its a "device server" so i guess its for storing your killer app 2015-01-17T03:16:08 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTzBfa2NrM2xNZmM/view?usp=sharing driving friends cars with "a ok" tires is always profit 2015-01-17T03:16:16 < englishman> module looks like 122k 2015-01-17T03:16:43 < qyx_> i can see some show 2015-01-17T03:16:46 < qyx_> *snow 2015-01-17T03:17:31 < englishman> dongs: also 230mA at minimum tx power, hehe 2015-01-17T03:18:27 < kakeman> do you have friends tha you can't just win with? 2015-01-17T03:18:50 < englishman> in my country they push the snow off the roads 2015-01-17T03:19:17 < dongs> englishman: no shit? 2015-01-17T03:19:21 < dongs> i didnt read that far 2015-01-17T03:19:48 < kakeman> in some countries they pour extream amounts of salt on snow 2015-01-17T03:20:01 < englishman> did you read about amazing CastAR success, perfect flawless product 2015-01-17T03:20:04 < kakeman> or cities 2015-01-17T03:20:12 < dongs> englishman: did you see 'beta' glasses pics 2015-01-17T03:20:14 < dongs> they're fucking HUGE 2015-01-17T03:20:16 < dongs> frames 2015-01-17T03:20:16 < dongs> lol 2015-01-17T03:20:25 < dongs> all that jerry amazing miniaturization???? 2015-01-17T03:20:34 < dongs> wat about castar success tho? 2015-01-17T03:20:35 < kakeman> new york ie. it doesn't really matter because sea is salt anyways 2015-01-17T03:20:36 < dongs> did it happen 2015-01-17T03:20:50 < englishman> hackaday can find no flaws in their product 2015-01-17T03:22:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-17T03:24:48 < Roklobsta> coz it doesn't use a PIC32 2015-01-17T03:25:34 < kakeman> who uses pic32? 2015-01-17T03:25:51 < Roklobsta> dongs: fill him in. 2015-01-17T03:28:57 < englishman> it wasnt a pic 2015-01-17T03:29:01 < englishman> but a pic lobsta! 2015-01-17T03:29:04 < englishman> ooo ooo ooo ooo 2015-01-17T03:29:26 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVUIzU3g0VkFPV0k/view?usp=sharing this thing is great for 9$ or so what I paid for it 2015-01-17T03:30:38 < kakeman> real deal 2015-01-17T03:36:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sosqvhwnofrthwbl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T03:38:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T03:42:54 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-17T03:43:39 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-17T03:45:50 < dongs> < englishman> hackaday can find no flaws in their product 2015-01-17T03:45:52 < dongs> which product 2015-01-17T03:47:46 < dongs> englishman: sauce on 230mA thing 2015-01-17T03:48:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-17T03:50:12 < dongs> < qyx_> whats the flash for 2015-01-17T03:50:18 < dongs> qyx_: looks like you can store webpaegs on flash 2015-01-17T03:50:21 < dongs> for it to serve 2015-01-17T03:50:36 < dongs> some random InternetOfDicks shit 2015-01-17T03:50:41 < englishman> dongs: i just googled that pn and found some datasheet shit 2015-01-17T03:51:10 < dongs> no mention of actual bandwidth anywhwere 2015-01-17T03:51:21 < englishman> 122k 2015-01-17T03:51:23 < dongs> but I doubt with F205 in the middle its going to be doing anything near 30mbps 2015-01-17T03:51:25 < dongs> where? 2015-01-17T03:51:28 < dongs> 122kbit? 2015-01-17T03:51:32 < englishman> same datasheet 2015-01-17T03:51:33 < englishman> ya 2015-01-17T03:51:36 < dongs> wtf url 2015-01-17T03:51:39 < dongs> i saw nothing like that 2015-01-17T03:51:40 < qyx_> olol 2015-01-17T03:51:51 < dongs> http://www.lantronix.com/pdf/xPico-Wi-Fi_UG.pdf ??? 2015-01-17T03:52:15 < englishman> no 2015-01-17T03:53:12 < englishman> http://www.lantronix.com/pdf/xPico_IG.pdf 2015-01-17T03:54:39 < qyx_> which page, i can't find it 2015-01-17T03:54:43 < dongs> i see 230ma 2015-01-17T03:54:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T03:55:18 < qyx_> no 122K except pullupo resistors 2015-01-17T03:55:43 < dongs> it doesnt matter, its a F205 2015-01-17T03:55:56 < dongs> you have data incoming that will need to go through tcp/ip stack + shit 2015-01-17T03:56:07 < dongs> you might be able to dma/zerocopy some of it 2015-01-17T03:56:13 < dongs> its gonna be slow 2015-01-17T03:56:49 < qyx_> i got ~5mbit on F107 over ethernet with TCP 2015-01-17T03:57:46 < dongs> thats pretty good 2015-01-17T03:58:15 < ds2> holy crap 2015-01-17T03:58:17 < dongs> what was it doing? 2015-01-17T03:58:21 < dongs> ping -f? 2015-01-17T03:58:36 < qyx_> nothing, outputting data over tcp connection 2015-01-17T03:58:37 < ds2> cpu boards are dirt cheap 2015-01-17T03:59:14 < qyx_> and then i tried fetching 64K jpeg image in loop from webserver on f107 2015-01-17T03:59:21 < qyx_> it was ~2.5mbit/s 2015-01-17T04:02:05 < qyx_> i should benchmark it again and document properly 2015-01-17T04:05:23 < dongs> do it, and i'll retweet it from my ZANO IS FUCKED blogpost 2015-01-17T04:05:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4114f.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T04:07:33 < kakeman> is zano by dongs? 2015-01-17T04:07:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:3e8f:0:c1ca:6e51:a8cf:1ec3] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-17T04:08:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-17T04:08:23 < englishman> The domain that you requested, zanoisfucked.com, is still available! 2015-01-17T04:14:07 < dongs> No match for "ZANOSUCKS.COM". 2015-01-17T04:18:05 < dongs> No match for "NOFLYZANO.COM". 2015-01-17T04:19:37 < oz4ga> in whois @ resellelr or dNS? 2015-01-17T04:20:24 < kakeman> when were first commercial quadcopters? 2015-01-17T04:21:04 < oz4ga> whois and toplevel admins normally are pretty fst (<8 hours) 2015-01-17T04:21:30 < kakeman> when was first popular culture reference to quadcopter? 2015-01-17T04:21:51 < oz4ga> rest of the nes could take up to 72 hours to upgrade .... or more 2015-01-17T04:23:01 < oz4ga> quads are difficult. but 5-10 years back wouldn't surprice me 2015-01-17T04:24:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-17T04:25:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T04:25:50 < englishman> some opensores projects are 7+ years old 2015-01-17T04:26:18 < kakeman> I won lego mindstorms set from drawing competition for children back in 2002 2015-01-17T04:26:19 < englishman> tail gyros were used before that 2015-01-17T04:26:33 < kakeman> guess what I draw? 2015-01-17T04:26:53 < englishman> a dick? 2015-01-17T04:26:57 < oz4ga> a dino? 2015-01-17T04:27:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T04:27:38 < kakeman> *innovation drawing competition 2015-01-17T04:27:51 < englishman> a really big veiny dick 2015-01-17T04:27:57 < kakeman> :) 2015-01-17T04:28:15 < oz4ga> asnswer still stands : a dino w. errection? 2015-01-17T04:28:54 < englishman> futuristic dick, with valves and pipes and shit 2015-01-17T04:29:14 < kakeman> quad with camera, mcu, rf, battery 2015-01-17T04:29:19 < kakeman> no lie 2015-01-17T04:29:30 < oz4ga> mastubating wille bombing hogwards and a deadthstar with .... from a quadcopter 2015-01-17T04:29:54 < kakeman> sketch like certainly 2015-01-17T04:30:58 < kakeman> good innovation days back then 2015-01-17T04:32:06 < oz4ga> my mom envisionend something like the self driving car, that google is trying to implement now. That was 80 years ago 2015-01-17T04:32:51 < kakeman> okay 2015-01-17T04:33:22 < kakeman> hos old she was? 2015-01-17T04:33:27 < kakeman> how* 2015-01-17T04:33:32 < oz4ga> hes is still alivea and kicking 2015-01-17T04:33:47 < oz4ga> 8-10 years then 2015-01-17T04:33:57 < kakeman> best innovation days 2015-01-17T04:34:02 < kakeman> 10years old 2015-01-17T04:34:22 < kakeman> dongs: hire kids now 2015-01-17T04:35:29 < oz4ga> that old girls stil has her driving license, she has ipasd and the works and can still swing a hammer 2015-01-17T04:35:41 < oz4ga> ipads 2015-01-17T04:35:57 < kakeman> oz4ga: did you envision in same way as 10year old? 2015-01-17T04:38:53 < oz4ga> i was mainly focused on boobs at that age. hasn't changed much since. but it have my "movements" mainly in stm 32, remote controling and digital processing stuff 2015-01-17T04:39:58 < oz4ga> not movements mote visions ;) 2015-01-17T04:40:48 < oz4ga> regular geeks stuff 2015-01-17T04:43:37 -!- amstan_ is now known as amstan 2015-01-17T04:55:57 < qyx_> huh, my 200line xmodem implementation works on the first try 2015-01-17T04:56:20 < dongs> cool 2015-01-17T04:56:36 < qyx_> time to innovate some flashing routines 2015-01-17T04:56:36 < emeb_mac> conga-rats! 2015-01-17T04:57:15 < oz4ga> kwl 2015-01-17T04:57:29 < qyx_> although it is not complety tested 2015-01-17T04:57:37 < qyx_> i should try to disconnect serial few times 2015-01-17T05:01:48 < qyx_> ok, NAK doesn't work :S 2015-01-17T05:06:02 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/5tKXH72.jpg 2015-01-17T05:06:39 < dongs> how long until bottom pic is in goat simulator as achievement 2015-01-17T05:07:47 < emeb_mac> PeterM: better than tubgirl 2015-01-17T05:08:03 < PeterM> but think of the orange juice! 2015-01-17T05:08:28 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/y5YzVPk.gif 2015-01-17T05:08:51 < emeb_mac> oooookaaaaaay 2015-01-17T05:09:27 < dongs> upgrdman: http://gfycat.com/SpiffyWiltedCanary 2015-01-17T05:19:44 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has 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2015-01-17T07:25:49 < upgrdman> found a cordless hot glue gun/pen. but decent, lithium, not some AA trash. 2015-01-17T07:26:33 < upgrdman> cant wait to jizz hot glue over all of my caps/inductors/wiring. 2015-01-17T07:50:47 < dongs> http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/Invensense-MPU6050-6d-MEMS-IMU-gyroscope-accelerometer 2015-01-17T07:50:51 < dongs> nice 2015-01-17T08:10:26 < upgrdman> pretty mems 2015-01-17T08:20:29 -!- kakemen [~janne@78-27-103-253.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-17T08:26:10 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T08:37:01 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T08:39:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-17T08:39:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-17T08:58:24 < ABLomas> ql 6050 2015-01-17T09:02:59 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 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wahtever one on -disco would be cheapest probly 2015-01-17T13:41:30 < zyp> hmm, I don't assume ethernet phys are expensive? 2015-01-17T13:41:33 < dongs> and huge 2015-01-17T13:41:38 < dongs> zyp, that shit qyx? was using was like <$1 2015-01-17T13:41:46 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-17T13:41:59 < qyx_> ksz8081rnaca/rndca 2015-01-17T13:42:22 < zyp> hmm, it'll probably end up farly cheap 2015-01-17T13:42:52 < dongs> probly < $10 for bom 2015-01-17T13:42:58 < qyx_> also china sockets and magnetics, amphenol & epcos was ~3€ 2015-01-17T13:43:00 < zyp> question is whether it'll have enough sram or need external 2015-01-17T13:43:06 < dongs> for wat 2015-01-17T13:43:09 < dongs> gaymer shit? 2015-01-17T13:43:38 < qyx_> with lwip & chibios i had 32K free of 64K 2015-01-17T13:43:40 < zyp> nah, some existing application people are talking about porting 2015-01-17T13:43:58 < qyx_> with default lwip config 2015-01-17T13:44:58 < zyp> «the current platform we're using for this is too expensive, can you make a custom board tailored for this?» 2015-01-17T13:45:53 < zyp> but since they're talking about <100 qty, I guess my time is going to be the most expensive part either way 2015-01-17T13:45:59 < _Sync__> yeah 2015-01-17T13:46:12 < _Sync__> gawd this HRTIM shit 2015-01-17T13:55:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-17T14:10:09 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-17T14:12:01 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T14:16:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.91] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T14:40:22 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T14:40:33 < dongs> gah, finding an integrated led driver + boost for 50V is proving to be difficult 2015-01-17T14:40:51 < dongs> most multichannel shit tops out at ~40-48V 2015-01-17T14:41:16 < dongs> the other way is separate boost + sink drivers 2015-01-17T14:42:17 < Steffanx> or be happy with 48V? 2015-01-17T14:42:32 < dongs> that isnt gonna work 2015-01-17T14:42:48 < dongs> min is 48.5, typ 52, max 55.3 2015-01-17T14:42:57 < dongs> so it has to be a ~60V driver 2015-01-17T14:48:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T14:55:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T15:10:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-17T15:13:28 < Steffanx> even the LT ones dont suite your needs dongs? Or do you want to do it all without external fets etc.? 2015-01-17T15:13:52 < dongs> lt ones cant be bought tho 2015-01-17T15:14:46 < Steffanx> yeah, probably 2015-01-17T15:14:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T15:15:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-17T15:15:43 < Steffanx> even your china girl cant get them? 2015-01-17T15:17:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.36] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T15:18:43 < dongs> all LT shit is fake stuff in chian 2015-01-17T15:33:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqhisfrbrrvwdixm] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T15:51:58 < _Sync__> dongs: just put a couple of diodes infront of your input 2015-01-17T15:52:50 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@87.19.48.151] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-17T15:53:17 < dongs> um yeah 2015-01-17T15:53:18 < dongs> lemme get right on that 2015-01-17T15:53:51 < _Sync__> :3 2015-01-17T15:56:26 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@87.19.48.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:09:08 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com] 2015-01-17T16:09:42 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:15:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-17T16:21:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:21:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-17T16:21:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:21:57 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-17T16:34:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-17T16:39:50 < Laurenceb_> hmm I think I found my USB issue 2015-01-17T16:39:59 < Laurenceb_> APB1 is only 3Mhz on my new board 2015-01-17T16:42:12 < Laurenceb_> "Due to USB data rate and packet memory interface requirements, the APB1 clock frequency must be greater than 8 MHz " 2015-01-17T16:42:14 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-01-17T16:42:19 -!- kakemen [~janne@89-166-121-109.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:42:30 < Laurenceb_> no wonder it fails 2015-01-17T16:45:40 < zyp> heh 2015-01-17T16:46:28 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:47:39 < Laurenceb_> on the + side its crazy low power now 2015-01-17T16:47:45 < Laurenceb_> like 14mA max current 2015-01-17T16:48:14 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:48:18 < Laurenceb_> but thats irrelevant when its running off USB - I need to set up two clocking options 2015-01-17T16:48:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-17T16:51:25 < Steffanx> that's pretty high :P 2015-01-17T16:51:40 < Steffanx> i consider 14uA pretty low 2015-01-17T16:52:51 < jpa-> the usb peripheral takes like 10mA static current anyway - i think it is due to the analog electronics or something 2015-01-17T16:54:49 < dongs> Re: Will Zano Support Bluetooth (LE)? 2015-01-17T16:54:49 < dongs> Postby matc » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:12 pm 2015-01-17T16:54:50 < dongs> It's not an additional module, so no additional weight. I think BT is basically similar to WiFi, just different frequency and protocol. Therefore it's mostly software related and the costs shouldn't be much higher - maybe a few cents. 2015-01-17T16:55:14 < dongs> the world is hopeless 2015-01-17T16:55:20 < Laurenceb_> thats 14mA with ECG data collection running 2015-01-17T16:56:01 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-17T16:57:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T16:57:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.113] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:00:38 < Steffanx> hah dongs 2015-01-17T17:13:24 < PeterM> dongs this chinatrash is pretty cheap + available http://www.xlsemi.com/product.html for led driving 2015-01-17T17:13:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:15:26 < dongs> all pretty garbage switching freq :( 2015-01-17T17:15:50 < PeterM> what kinda garbage specs are you looking for? 2015-01-17T17:16:15 < dongs> 120mA/string, but something better than 100kHz switching so the shit doesnt need inductor the size of wtc 2015-01-17T17:16:35 < PeterM> they have a few that are 400k 2015-01-17T17:16:56 < dongs> isl97686 sc5014 and ADD5211 lok promising but none of those are buyable 2015-01-17T17:17:43 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:17:45 < dongs> hm and needs huge alu caps on output 2015-01-17T17:18:05 < PeterM> for LEDs? nah 2015-01-17T17:18:54 < PeterM> ahh i see what you're lokin for yeah 2015-01-17T17:19:30 < dongs> richtek just released 8576A 2015-01-17T17:19:34 < dongs> er, RT8576A 2015-01-17T17:19:36 < dongs> that would be perfect 2015-01-17T17:19:39 < dongs> except it just came out this month 2015-01-17T17:19:54 < dongs> there's also a separate boost + sink driver stuff from RT, tahts most likeyl what i'll end up doing 2015-01-17T17:19:59 < dongs> unless I find some integrated hsit 2015-01-17T17:28:32 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:30:55 < PeterM> whassit for? backlight or sthn? 2015-01-17T17:40:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.113] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-17T17:42:13 -!- booly-yam-2645 [~cinch@bzq-79-178-15-163.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:42:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.123.90] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:43:57 < PeterM> yeah after lookin i would get the sink driver from Richtek but not the boost, its not available anywhere 2015-01-17T17:45:02 < PeterM> wait, nope, sink driver is not avail either is it 2015-01-17T17:45:12 < Laurenceb_> lol I know a uni team how are trying to make an LED "crop"lamp 2015-01-17T17:45:37 < Laurenceb_> two years an a shitton of cash later they are still failing :P 2015-01-17T17:45:49 < Laurenceb_> using Ti drivers and 700mA/string 2015-01-17T17:47:10 < PeterM> pfff 2015-01-17T17:47:23 < Laurenceb_> they have 8 prototypes 2015-01-17T17:47:25 < Laurenceb_> all failed 2015-01-17T17:47:29 < PeterM> you're gonna need more juice than that to grow crops underartificial light 2015-01-17T17:48:51 < Laurenceb_> yeah lulz 2015-01-17T17:48:59 < Laurenceb_> they are obsessed with passive cooling 2015-01-17T17:49:10 < PeterM> IS31LT3117 looks like a decent sink driver but also not buyable 2015-01-17T17:49:37 < PeterM> you can do passive cooling, but you want a massive fuck off heatsink 2015-01-17T17:49:42 -!- booly-yam-2645 [~cinch@bzq-79-178-15-163.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-17T17:50:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah they used a ~40cm square thing 2015-01-17T17:50:55 < Laurenceb_> but then put the electronics enclosure ontop of it 2015-01-17T17:51:01 < Laurenceb_> on the last version 2015-01-17T17:51:38 < Laurenceb_> I think they have given up on the project now :P 2015-01-17T17:52:02 -!- inca_ is now known as inca 2015-01-17T17:52:52 < PeterM> dumbasses 2015-01-17T17:53:15 < Laurenceb_> they discovered the huge heatsinks would need to be twice again as large, and exceed the loading for the greenhouse roof 2015-01-17T17:53:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T17:54:13 < PeterM> must be a shit roof, if you're usin grow lamps it doesnt need to be transparent so doesnt need to be that huge 2015-01-17T17:54:38 < PeterM> *so shouldnt be that weak 2015-01-17T17:55:20 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ all they need is some insight from you. 2015-01-17T17:55:49 < Laurenceb_> I suggested CFD to model the cooling or water cooling 2015-01-17T17:55:55 < Laurenceb_> but "too complicated" 2015-01-17T17:59:13 < Laurenceb_> tbh I donts see the point of LED lighting 2015-01-17T17:59:25 < Laurenceb_> fluorescent outperforms it 2015-01-17T18:00:03 < Steffanx> the good old light bulb outperforms everything, but the sun. 2015-01-17T18:00:09 < emeb_mac> outperforms on what criteria? 2015-01-17T18:00:18 < emeb_mac> uses more power 2015-01-17T18:00:23 < emeb_mac> puts out more heat 2015-01-17T18:00:32 < emeb_mac> dies more quickly 2015-01-17T18:00:52 < emeb_mac> contains more mercury 2015-01-17T18:01:27 < Laurenceb_> lumens per watt 2015-01-17T18:01:34 < Laurenceb_> and lifetime 2015-01-17T18:01:50 < Laurenceb_> the mercury is pretty irrelevant 2015-01-17T18:01:59 < Laurenceb_> like a few milligrams 2015-01-17T18:06:28 < emeb_mac> hmm - all the sources I see suggest LED is about 1/2 the lumens/watt of CFL 2015-01-17T18:06:43 < emeb_mac> and lifetime is about 5x longer 2015-01-17T18:07:22 < emeb_mac> err 2x the lumens/watt 2015-01-17T18:07:37 < emeb_mac> eg: http://www.designrecycleinc.com/led%20comp%20chart.html 2015-01-17T18:08:00 < Laurenceb_> you need to compare real world figures 2015-01-17T18:08:31 < Laurenceb_> LED cooling is a pita, most fitting run hot 2015-01-17T18:08:35 < Laurenceb_> *fittings 2015-01-17T18:08:41 < emeb_mac> so you're saying the internet is full of lies? 2015-01-17T18:09:14 < Laurenceb_> yup 2015-01-17T18:09:39 < Steffanx> At least ##stm32 is a part of the internet 2015-01-17T18:09:51 < emeb_mac> probably also depends on the quality of the bulbs one buys 2015-01-17T18:09:54 < Laurenceb_> lab tests of LED are about 50% better Lumens per watt than good fluorescent 2015-01-17T18:10:00 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqhisfrbrrvwdixm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-17T18:10:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah, there is a massive range of fluorescent 2015-01-17T18:10:15 < emeb_mac> I've had crap CFLs 2015-01-17T18:10:36 < Laurenceb_> high quality GE long tubes with decent drivers beat any LED system on the market atm 2015-01-17T18:10:41 < emeb_mac> and I have been careful to buy decent LEDs 2015-01-17T18:11:02 < Steffanx> source of that claim Laurenceb_ .. ? 2015-01-17T18:11:35 < Laurenceb_> reading the datasheets for everything I can find 2015-01-17T18:11:51 < emeb_mac> reading data sheets is "real world" :) 2015-01-17T18:12:23 < englishman> Wot. Fluorescent is dead 2015-01-17T18:12:28 < Laurenceb_> they give wall to light in real world 2015-01-17T18:13:07 < Laurenceb_> just cuz hipsters and LED lamp manufacturers say so doesnt mean its true 2015-01-17T18:15:49 < emeb_mac> well, I've got a reading lamp here that used to have CFL in it and now has LED. LED runs considerably cooler than CFL for the same light. That's my real world experience. 2015-01-17T18:16:36 < Laurenceb_> sure CFL is quite low efficiency 2015-01-17T18:16:42 < emeb_mac> as in I can wrap my hand around the running bulb and hold it there w/ LED whereas CFL was too hot to touch. 2015-01-17T18:16:49 < Laurenceb_> I'm talking about stuff with linear tubes and decent drivers 2015-01-17T18:17:08 < emeb_mac> Ah - industrial/commercial installations. 2015-01-17T18:17:08 < zyp> but are you sure it's the «same light»? 2015-01-17T18:17:23 < zyp> i.e. not more focused 2015-01-17T18:17:27 < emeb_mac> zyp: same lumens 2015-01-17T18:17:38 < dongs> PeterM: yeah, its sorta available-ish but dodgy, but i might be able to get direct from richtek or as samples or something 2015-01-17T18:17:41 < emeb_mac> spectrum is different of course 2015-01-17T18:17:45 < zyp> HF CFLs is pretty good shit 2015-01-17T18:17:56 < dongs> i read some fucking onsemi appnote, they had a tranformer + flyback shit to do boost 2015-01-17T18:18:09 < dongs> transformer was mounted in a square hole on pcb 2015-01-17T18:18:12 < dongs> like inline 2015-01-17T18:18:17 < dongs> cool but NOTHANKS 2015-01-17T18:18:37 < emeb_mac> but who sells hf cfl? 2015-01-17T18:18:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/aPlsyaW.png 2015-01-17T18:18:53 < dongs> loool 2015-01-17T18:18:53 < zyp> I mounted a bunch when I worked as an electrician 2015-01-17T18:21:16 < emeb_mac> ah - I seem many CFL these days are HF due to switching ballasts. 2015-01-17T18:22:12 < zyp> yeah, and T5 tubes are more efficient 2015-01-17T18:23:02 < Laurenceb_> best T5 is ~110lumens/watt and 40k hours life 2015-01-17T18:23:06 -!- Intelaida [d5578844@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.136.68] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T18:23:20 < Laurenceb_> hard to find that in a LED lighting system 2015-01-17T18:23:40 < Laurenceb_> some get up to 200lumens/watt, but you cant buy that yet and thats in lab conditions 2015-01-17T18:26:01 < englishman> Sounds great 2015-01-17T18:26:12 < englishman> If I wanted to light a lab 2015-01-17T18:26:14 < englishman> :-P 2015-01-17T18:27:18 < Laurenceb_> cooled to 25C with low current and massive binning 2015-01-17T18:27:37 < zyp> I remember tearing down twenty something light fixtures from a lab ceiling once and replacing them with nine T5 fixtures 2015-01-17T18:40:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-17T18:41:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T18:45:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b2f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-17T18:59:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@dslb-178-005-121-159.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T18:59:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@dslb-178-005-121-159.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-17T18:59:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T19:09:58 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T19:15:52 -!- Intelaida [d5578844@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.136.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-17T19:36:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-17T19:44:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T19:50:51 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T19:54:48 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-17T20:00:35 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-17T20:00:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T20:00:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-17T20:00:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T20:23:42 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-17T20:45:56 < jpa-> englishman: you can install T5's behind a trim board, just like you would with LEDs.. neither is nice to look at 2015-01-17T20:47:07 < zyp> it's not nice to look into the sun either 2015-01-17T20:47:41 < jpa-> that's why i don't install sun in my appartment either 2015-01-17T20:48:16 < jpa-> otherwise i definitely would.. just think of the niiiice heat 2015-01-17T20:48:35 < zyp> just put it behind a trim board 2015-01-17T20:49:30 < jpa-> ah, good ide 2015-01-17T20:51:02 < jpa-> can't find sun on ebay :F 2015-01-17T20:51:15 < jpa-> maybe there are some shipping restrictions 2015-01-17T20:52:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T20:53:08 < emeb> don't need sun here - too much as it is. 2015-01-17T20:53:59 < emeb> get a skylight w/ a heliostat. 2015-01-17T20:54:08 < jpa-> there is a hill to the south of my workplace so that the sun doesn't rise above local horizon even at noon 2015-01-17T20:55:22 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T20:55:42 < englishman> i just eat vitamin d all day and live in the basement 2015-01-17T20:55:49 < emeb> jpa-: nuke it. 2015-01-17T20:59:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@174.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T20:59:49 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@174.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-17T20:59:49 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T20:59:54 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T21:16:29 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T21:22:44 -!- alex20032 [b894ccba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.148.204.186] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T21:23:06 < alex20032> I want to work with USB, but I was wondering how can I use CDC, PC side. I don't want user of my device need to lookup everytime in taskmanager to see which com port he is using 2015-01-17T21:23:13 < alex20032> With hid, i can use libhid. With that library, I can choose my device based on PID, VID and serial 2015-01-17T21:23:19 < alex20032> But i can't find a way to do that in CDC 2015-01-17T21:25:09 < jpa-> if you want to communicate with custom software, why not use custom usb device and libusb? 2015-01-17T21:26:46 < alex20032> jpa-: dont know how to make the descriptor and device side if i do custom 2015-01-17T21:27:03 < jpa-> you can look at how it is done for cdc, it is not that difficult 2015-01-17T21:27:33 < jpa-> the advantage with custom usb device is that you can transfer as packets, instead of continuous byte stream 2015-01-17T21:27:44 < jpa-> so no need to do custom framing etc. 2015-01-17T21:28:13 < alex20032> which class is what you are trying to describe? 2015-01-17T21:28:20 < jpa-> none 2015-01-17T21:28:27 < alex20032> which sort of transfer is that? Isochro(dont remember how its spelled) 2015-01-17T21:28:29 < alex20032> or bulk? 2015-01-17T21:28:43 < jpa-> interrupt or bulk, depending on your needs 2015-01-17T21:28:54 < jpa-> typically you would use bulk 2015-01-17T21:28:59 < alex20032> I have no experience with usb 2015-01-17T21:29:15 < gxti_> and you never will until you do :P 2015-01-17T21:29:19 -!- gxti_ is now known as gxti 2015-01-17T21:29:25 < jpa-> it's not particularly difficult 2015-01-17T21:29:39 < alex20032> Do you know some nice info on how to do that? 2015-01-17T21:30:04 < Roklobsta> have a look here http://www.allusb.com/usb-explained 2015-01-17T21:30:06 < jpa-> usb in a nutshell is good; but i don't know any hands-on tutorials 2015-01-17T21:30:45 < Roklobsta> and http://www.usbmadesimple.co.uk/ 2015-01-17T21:30:56 < Roklobsta> oh and the nutshell site too 2015-01-17T21:34:00 < alex20032> Currently, i am working with msp430 (but i intend to move on stm32 latter on) 2015-01-17T21:34:29 < alex20032> My mcu usb library support HID, MSC, CDC and PHDC(or something like that, a protocol almost not used) 2015-01-17T21:35:06 < alex20032> If i do custom, it mean i need to implement my own usb stack, and thus go trough all the mcu datasheet related to usb 2015-01-17T21:35:41 < alex20032> And its true with other mcu as well 2015-01-17T21:37:54 < jpa-> you don't have source code for the usb library? 2015-01-17T21:38:47 < jpa-> most usb stacks are designed so that you can implement custom usb devices with minimal effort 2015-01-17T21:40:07 < jpa-> http://www.ti.com/tool/msp430usbdevpack looks like it will generate the descriptors also 2015-01-17T21:41:30 < alex20032> this is what i wanted to use 2015-01-17T21:41:38 < alex20032> support HID, MSC, CDC and PHDC 2015-01-17T21:43:04 < jpa-> i bet it supports also custom devices 2015-01-17T21:43:51 < jpa-> and seems it has the source code also, so you can just look how CDC is done, and copy and adapt for your needs 2015-01-17T21:44:46 < alex20032> http://pastebin.com/WzNeVkiH 2015-01-17T21:44:59 < alex20032> This is the header for usb.h 2015-01-17T21:45:18 < alex20032> all other file are specific for either hid, cdc or msc 2015-01-17T21:45:42 < alex20032> which function, declared in that .h, could be used to implement my own protocol? 2015-01-17T21:47:41 < jpa-> look in usbcdc.c 2015-01-17T21:47:56 < alex20032> this is what i am doing 2015-01-17T21:48:32 < alex20032> but still, i dont know how to transform cdc in not cdc, and then use it 2015-01-17T21:48:55 < jpa-> well, you can even just use CDC and give it a custom VID/PID if that is what you want 2015-01-17T21:49:28 < jpa-> if you don't mark it as CDC class in the descriptor no-one will know it works like CDC; but it depends totally on what kind of access you want to provide to your device 2015-01-17T21:50:00 < jpa-> most probably windows/linux/whatever also has an API where you can query a list of the USB devices and see which COM port is assigned to CDC devices 2015-01-17T21:50:34 < alex20032> But then, like i said, how can, from PC side, not choose CDC by com port, but by PID/VID? 2015-01-17T21:50:35 < jpa-> but generally if you try to do more complex stuff over CDC, you'll end up doing more work than with a custom device type 2015-01-17T21:50:52 < jpa-> by listing them by PID/VID, using the operating system APIs? 2015-01-17T21:52:03 < alex20032> and libusb don't support CDC class, its much more lower level than that 2015-01-17T21:53:11 < jpa-> cdc is not that high level anyway, just one bulk pipe in and one out; but if you want to work over a serial port, you can use the serial port APIs after you use the PID/VID to find out which port the device is assigned to 2015-01-17T21:54:48 < alex20032> do you know some library for serial that also allow to check PID/VID of port? 2015-01-17T21:56:56 < jpa-> if windows is what you use, just use windows ddk and setupapi, like this: https://github.com/todbot/usbSearch/blob/master/listComPorts.c 2015-01-17T21:58:34 < alex20032> i prefer cross platform 2015-01-17T21:59:30 < jpa-> then find one that does it cross platform or write your own set 2015-01-17T22:00:42 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/tWvyfya.jpg 2015-01-17T22:01:42 < jpa-> has to be pretty shaky 2015-01-17T22:02:18 < jpa-> though interestingly the geometry is actually pretty good for image stability 2015-01-17T22:02:21 < Steffanx> "OLDD" 2015-01-17T22:03:01 < jpa-> hie stef 2015-01-17T22:03:14 < Steffanx> Hello Pet. 2015-01-17T22:13:12 < alex20032> What do you guy here think about IDE, like Em::Blocks, CoIDE, emIDE ? 2015-01-17T22:23:52 < Roklobsta> i tried muckign with code::blocks I might still use it 2015-01-17T22:30:38 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-17T22:36:39 < dymk> Is there a standard way to tell if 0805, 0603, etc, are referring to metric or imperial units? 2015-01-17T22:39:42 < jpa-> usually "0805" is imperial, "M0805" is metric 2015-01-17T22:41:01 < jpa-> another way is to see if "1206" is in the list, because that doesn't exist as metric value 2015-01-17T22:44:46 < dymk> Hm alright, thank you 2015-01-17T22:45:25 < dymk> yep, odd, the sparkfun lib did have 0805 imperial, even though nearly everything else they've got is metric 2015-01-17T23:01:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T23:01:54 < _Sync__> we got trolled once with ordering metric when we wanted imperial 2015-01-17T23:02:42 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T23:13:41 < Lux> does 0805 0603 even exist as metric ? 2015-01-17T23:13:50 < Lux> would be tiny i guess 2015-01-17T23:14:47 < jpa-> 0603M is listed atleast on wikipedia 2015-01-17T23:14:59 < jpa-> and 0102 imperial is not that uncommon 2015-01-17T23:15:09 < jpa-> *0201 2015-01-17T23:16:36 < Lux> that would suck mixing those up 2015-01-17T23:16:44 < Lux> as tiny as a sand corn 2015-01-17T23:17:15 < Lux> i mean sand grain 2015-01-17T23:18:10 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T23:21:30 < _Sync__> yes 2015-01-17T23:21:34 < _Sync__> that happened with us Lux 2015-01-17T23:21:53 < _Sync__> we were like "nowai, that small reel is not 0805" 2015-01-17T23:21:57 < _Sync__> and it wasn't 2015-01-17T23:22:05 < Lux> heh 2015-01-17T23:22:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-17T23:23:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-17T23:38:39 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-17T23:56:56 -!- alex20032 [b894ccba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.148.204.186] has left ##stm32 [] --- Day changed Sun Jan 18 2015 2015-01-18T00:02:08 < emeb> Several times I've accidentally bought metric 0603 and ended up with 0201. Always small qty of cheap stuff thankfully. 2015-01-18T00:15:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.123.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-18T00:19:32 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4114f.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T00:20:17 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4114f.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T00:24:16 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-18T00:24:23 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-18T00:41:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-18T01:01:47 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-18T01:13:12 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T01:23:32 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2015-01-18T01:31:02 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T01:35:01 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-18T01:35:45 < dekar__> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20141207_180710.jpg 2015-01-18T01:36:50 < dekar__> The pic is quite blurry, but I found that place last time I was in China: SCENT of a WOMEN 2015-01-18T01:40:43 < upgrdman> they sell fish? 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2525 is size? 2015-01-18T04:10:42 < qyx_> not that small, wait 2015-01-18T04:10:51 < qyx_> i have some in notes 2015-01-18T04:11:27 < qyx_> inductor IHLP2525CZER220M11 6.9*6.5*3mm 22uH 2.5A 2015-01-18T04:11:32 < qyx_> 2.5A only :S 2015-01-18T04:11:39 < qyx_> inductor XAL5050-223MEC 5.5x5.5x5.1mm 22uH 3.4A 2015-01-18T04:12:06 < dongs> nice 2015-01-18T04:12:09 < qyx_> 4A saturation current? 2015-01-18T04:12:19 < dongs> i dont really need 4A anyway, i think this led shit is less 2015-01-18T04:12:26 < dongs> im just looking at the stuff evalboard used, 2015-01-18T04:13:10 < dongs> ugh, faggotdroid locked up while copying ~8gigs of pics from DCIM\ to PC 2015-01-18T04:13:16 < dongs> assdroid 5.0 is such gigantic fail 2015-01-18T04:13:42 < dongs> XAL is gona be xpensive as shit 2015-01-18T04:13:45 < dongs> being coilcraft and all 2015-01-18T04:13:45 < dongs> huhu 2015-01-18T04:13:52 < dongs> ill check my chinaclones i just need to remember wtf their name was 2015-01-18T04:15:39 < qyx_> its 0.92€/100 @ farnell :S 2015-01-18T04:16:48 < qyx_> if you find something suitable, i would probably accept some too 2015-01-18T04:17:23 < qyx_> i need 22uH/2.5A for my 100W 4phase solar regulators 2015-01-18T04:18:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-18T04:18:51 < dongs> ah 2015-01-18T04:18:52 < dongs> sunlord 2015-01-18T04:18:55 < dongs> lesseee 2015-01-18T04:19:17 < dongs> they make super nice cloens 2015-01-18T04:20:22 < dongs> SWPA series 2015-01-18T04:22:26 < dongs> http://www.sunlordinc.com/pdfcatalog.aspx#For Power Line 2015-01-18T04:23:00 < dongs> 26W max on my leds 2015-01-18T04:23:15 < dongs> @52V, shit, i need nowhere near 4A 2015-01-18T04:27:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T04:46:52 < qyx_> your leds will have much wider colors with 4A inductors 2015-01-18T04:58:56 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-50-129-64-145.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T05:12:28 < dongs> whiter whites and blacker blacks, for sure 2015-01-18T05:15:34 < dongs> "Dark-skinned people in this film are treated like furniture, scattered in the background like props." 2015-01-18T05:26:59 < dongs> making only kawaii leds 2015-01-18T05:28:31 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-01-18T05:30:19 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T05:39:39 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T05:47:48 < PeterM> dongs do you own that chinaclone company? their banner looks like it could be your, http://www.sunlordinc.com/sunlord/images/B_Others.jpg "Innovator in Electronics" 2015-01-18T05:55:00 < dongs> haha 2015-01-18T05:55:58 < dongs> i started using thier 10uH 6020 stuff on ipad adapters 2015-01-18T05:56:06 < dongs> and some 3.3/6.8uH stuff in random dcdc things 2015-01-18T06:08:48 < kakeman> today my friend vomited in my car 2015-01-18T06:09:29 < kakeman> as I said yesterday.. with some people you can't just win 2015-01-18T06:10:02 < PeterM> so, im trying to find an alternative to the tps2513 - shit is expensive. found a few chinaclones and alternatives but cannot find any with stock - GL888F, VP203, EC49021, F75198, EST5198,CW3002D, MAX14630 are all unicorn shit 2015-01-18T06:21:11 < dongs> lets see what tps2513 does 2015-01-18T06:21:16 < dongs> ah usp charging 2015-01-18T06:21:27 < dongs> why not just buy THAT from china? 2015-01-18T06:21:33 < dongs> surely it's gonna be like 30.40c or so 2015-01-18T06:21:39 < dongs> how cheap do you want it? 2015-01-18T06:26:58 < PeterM> nvm, last time (3months ago) i asked around my chinafriend cheapest they could do was ~$1, now they can for $0.55 - much better 2015-01-18T06:28:44 < dongs> your chinapals are chatting now? 2015-01-18T06:28:54 < dongs> i need to pay my chinagirl more to stay at work on weekends 2015-01-18T06:30:16 < PeterM> nah, sent email yesterday didnt bother checkin until just now 2015-01-18T06:30:40 < PeterM> still weekend tho :S 2015-01-18T06:32:25 < dongs> saturday is ok 2015-01-18T06:38:37 < kakeman> swedes finally said that they are bit concerned about russia or 2015-01-18T07:01:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-18T07:02:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T07:02:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-18T07:03:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T07:04:50 < kakeman> then people in land area between russia and sweden just had a deep sigh 2015-01-18T07:19:53 < kakeman> PeterM: very useful list of parts by the way 2015-01-18T07:23:53 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T07:28:38 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T07:47:39 < dongs> this should be in the stm32 trollwiki 2015-01-18T07:48:47 < dongs> > indian switches are not like chinese switches chinese switches are normally open, normally closed, and they sometimes forget whats normal and you have to replace them 2015-01-18T07:48:50 < dongs> > indian switches are mostly open, mostly closed, if you slap it the right way you can make it fully open or closed and if you wanted a working switch why didnt you buy a chinese one in the first place 2015-01-18T07:49:52 < dongs> (not this, but list of alternatives to TPS2513) 2015-01-18T07:59:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.142] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T08:18:50 < ReadError> R2COM 2015-01-18T08:18:55 < ReadError> i found a linux distro for you 2015-01-18T08:18:57 < ReadError> https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX 2015-01-18T08:19:22 < ReadError> touch now operates asynchronously. Some files simply don't want to be touched, and that's perfectly fine. Do not worry when the file does not get created after executing the touch command — the file will tell you when it has allowed consent to be touched. 2015-01-18T08:20:16 < dongs> zyp, do you remember that blog about reverse-bluetooth-keyboard shit. 2015-01-18T08:20:20 < dongs> i linked iodata or buffal or something crap 2015-01-18T08:20:24 < dongs> cant find it now. 2015-01-18T08:21:34 < ReadError> http://samy.pl/keysweeper/ 2015-01-18T08:24:36 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T08:29:14 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T08:31:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-18T08:46:57 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T08:57:21 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T09:04:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T09:05:42 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T09:13:43 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T09:18:58 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=550ocEt4Gg4 2015-01-18T09:26:38 < MrMobius> R2COM, definitely not. they would have stolen his wallet and left him lying there. 2015-01-18T09:29:34 < MrMobius> <-used to live in Russia 2015-01-18T09:31:57 < Roklobsta> i used to know a german who had a flair for languages and martial arts. he went to russia in the early 90's to study russian and dressed as a bum to be left alone. still he was held up with a gun, knocked the two guys out, threw the gun in the river and snapped their wrists while they were passed out. 2015-01-18T09:38:02 < akaWolf> amazing! 2015-01-18T09:40:24 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T09:43:38 < upgrdman> seems like mcus are often used to drive FETs. why don't they have built in gate drivers? like a few gpios with their own vcc_io and able to do ~100mA? 2015-01-18T09:44:49 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-18T09:46:29 < upgrdman> would not it be cheaper than the wafer space for separate mcu and gate drivers? 2015-01-18T09:47:03 < upgrdman> well, wouldn't it still be cheaper to put gate drivers in an mcu? 2015-01-18T09:48:30 < jpa-> i often drive FETs directly from the IO pin 2015-01-18T09:49:10 < upgrdman> don't even most logic-level fets still have highish Rds when driven by 3.3v? 2015-01-18T09:49:13 < jpa-> i think that the electronics for +12V drive may require a different, high-voltage process than the low-voltage CMOS CPUs 2015-01-18T09:49:22 < upgrdman> o ok 2015-01-18T09:49:28 < upgrdman> that makes sense 2015-01-18T09:49:38 < PeterM> if you need to drive fets from your micro and need mroe gate drive, spend 4c and buy a BSS84 and a 2n7002 and stick a pushpull on that shit 2015-01-18T09:49:41 < jpa-> i usually use BSH105 2015-01-18T09:50:00 < jpa-> it is 0.2 ohms at 2.5V drive 2015-01-18T09:50:54 < upgrdman> well ya, that's a 1A fet, right? 2015-01-18T09:51:10 < jpa-> yes 2015-01-18T09:51:12 < upgrdman> im thinking like power fets. lots of mcus have timers designed for 3phase, etc. 2015-01-18T09:51:25 < upgrdman> so driving some 50-100A fets 2015-01-18T09:51:58 < jpa-> and then the next guy comes and is like "what about IGBTs and what about this and that"; when it is separate, you can optimize it separately 2015-01-18T09:51:59 < upgrdman> but yes, i have no problem wiht using gate drivers or just rigging up an n+p as a inverting buffer for driving gates 2015-01-18T09:52:06 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-18T09:52:20 < PeterM> http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/BSS84/BSS84TR-ND/244213 + http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/2N7002P,235/568-11588-2-ND/2779619 $0.08 FET driver 2015-01-18T09:53:18 < jpa-> PeterM: how are you going to drive the BSS84 from io pin if you want 12V drive for the big fet? 2015-01-18T09:53:20 < upgrdman> but would that limit you to a gate drive voltage being the same as the mcu vcc? 2015-01-18T09:54:20 < PeterM> jpa- its gate is super light, use a 600r pullup anda 2nd 2n7002 for fulldown 2015-01-18T09:54:59 < jpa-> doesn't fit in the budget! this shit is going to cost atleast $0.2! 2015-01-18T09:55:09 < PeterM> fuuuuu 2015-01-18T09:55:37 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/6fSCjRo 2015-01-18T09:56:09 < upgrdman> ya i've done that before 2015-01-18T09:56:33 < upgrdman> i have bags of npn, pnp, n-channel and p-channel signal transistors laying around 2015-01-18T09:57:00 < jpa-> getting a big fet drive through EMC tests can require some effort also, so may be easier to use a pre-designed chip that offers controlled slew rate 2015-01-18T09:57:23 < upgrdman> and i think you forgot the base resistor :) 2015-01-18T09:57:25 < PeterM> or you just change your $0.0001 resistors 2015-01-18T09:58:05 < PeterM> upgrdman: yeah but you fuck off the 2n2222 and stick in a 2n7000 again 2015-01-18T09:58:17 < upgrdman> :) 2015-01-18T09:58:49 < jpa-> last time i did npn/pnp driver, the whole shit exploded :) 2015-01-18T09:59:44 < PeterM> jpa- i just imagine now, jpa- plugs in big rc lipo pack and theres the sound of popcorn and womanly screams 2015-01-18T10:00:09 < jpa-> nah, i think i was already past puberty at that point 2015-01-18T10:02:13 < upgrdman> i was kinda nervious when i first powered my 100W boost converter from a lipo instead of a lab psu 2015-01-18T10:03:59 < PeterM> upgrdman: use thick leads and plug in the battery end - your project may explode but it wont haveany troubles clearing the short :P 2015-01-18T10:04:42 < upgrdman> unless the solder melts and the thick leads short 2015-01-18T10:05:08 < PeterM> use thicker leads 2015-01-18T10:05:25 < upgrdman> that just shorts the lipo better 2015-01-18T10:05:36 < PeterM> nah vaorize that solder bridge! 2015-01-18T10:05:38 < upgrdman> use magnet wire, so the wire acts as a fuse ;) 2015-01-18T10:06:09 < PeterM> done that before, had a nice sear line along my arm and it smelt horrible 2015-01-18T10:06:42 < jpa-> somehow cooked meat smells a lot worse when it is your own 2015-01-18T10:06:56 < jpa-> though if you have a lot of skin hairs, they'll smell bad also when they burn 2015-01-18T10:07:15 < PeterM> yeah, and the enamel too 2015-01-18T10:10:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.123.90] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T10:12:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.123.90] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T10:20:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.17.170] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T10:28:51 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/IZ8J6fR.webm 2015-01-18T10:31:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T10:34:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.142] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T10:36:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T10:41:11 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T10:45:23 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T11:09:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T11:13:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T11:24:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Pp8B4Ar.jpg 2015-01-18T11:24:57 < dongs> < upgrdman> seems like mcus are often used to drive FETs. why don't they have built in gate drivers? like a few gpios with their own vcc_io and able to do ~100mA? 2015-01-18T11:25:04 < dongs> upgrdman: silabs did exactly that 2015-01-18T11:25:14 < dongs> they have high drive 5V IOs that can do 100mA /ea or someshit 2015-01-18T11:25:23 < dongs> and you can hook the up to motor control block 2015-01-18T11:25:35 < dongs> via the gpio matrix shit they have where any pin->any function 2015-01-18T11:25:55 < dongs> if i remember correctly they also have separate high drive vcc stuff 2015-01-18T11:39:52 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrkgufogjghpkqke] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T11:42:30 -!- hesperaux_ [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T11:42:30 -!- hesperaux_ [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T12:01:50 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T12:02:01 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T12:30:06 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T12:34:51 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T12:35:58 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T12:56:58 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T12:58:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.17.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T13:00:15 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T13:00:34 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:12:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.58.159] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:13:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.58.159] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T13:18:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-18T13:20:15 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-18T13:24:31 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:24:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:24:49 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-18T13:24:49 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:24:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-18T13:24:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:30:43 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T13:39:52 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-18T13:55:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.58.159] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T14:04:24 < qyx_> mhm serial speed is ~10000B/s raw, flashing speed over xmodem is 8300B/s using 128 byte blocks 2015-01-18T14:04:35 < qyx_> so it flashes about 65 blocks in about 170ms 2015-01-18T14:05:09 < qyx_> which gives about 49KB/s flashing speed 2015-01-18T14:05:53 < qyx_> and this is using 1B writes 2015-01-18T14:23:14 < dongs> http://wondermark.com/c/2015-01-09-1091garage.png 2015-01-18T14:24:32 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T14:37:08 < Tectu> hello jpa- 2015-01-18T14:58:29 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T15:01:48 < PeterM> dongs you use altium, have you upgraded to 15? much changed/any new features? 2015-01-18T15:01:56 < dongs> upgraded. 2015-01-18T15:02:01 < dongs> not used anything new from 15 yet 2015-01-18T15:02:11 < dongs> i think they actually fixed somehthing I hit in it tho 2015-01-18T15:02:15 < dongs> forgot wat it was. 2015-01-18T15:03:10 < PeterM> mmhm 2015-01-18T15:04:03 < dongs> they're maintaining 14 too wiht bugfixes 2015-01-18T15:04:08 < dongs> oh tehes something in it that rages me tho 2015-01-18T15:04:15 < dongs> in <= 15 3d view was attached to 2d view 2015-01-18T15:04:37 < dongs> and remembered its orientation, if you flipped board, in 2d, 3d will flip too 2015-01-18T15:04:48 < dongs> now 3d is separate viewport, it will switch to wahtever you left it at last. 2015-01-18T15:05:00 < PeterM> fuuuuu 2015-01-18T15:05:35 < dongs> they actually called it a *feature* 2015-01-18T15:05:56 < PeterM> lol gj gaiz 2015-01-18T15:06:10 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T15:06:34 < PeterM> actually... if you could have 2d open with 3d view open on another monitor it may be useful 2015-01-18T15:06:35 < zn414> hello, how to work around wear leveling in sd card with mikroc fat16 ? 2015-01-18T15:07:01 < dongs> why dont you freakin ask microC guise? 2015-01-18T15:07:02 < PeterM> sdcard has controller built in usually that handles that shit 2015-01-18T15:07:08 < dongs> or use fatfs 2015-01-18T15:07:11 < dongs> (and not care) 2015-01-18T15:07:45 < zn414> i see, thank you two. 2015-01-18T15:08:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T15:15:10 < Laurenceb_> found a girlfriend for dongs 2015-01-18T15:15:12 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Randi_Harper 2015-01-18T15:15:43 < Laurenceb_> zn414: you dont need to wear level a SD card 2015-01-18T15:15:47 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T15:16:00 < dongs> that name sounds familiar 2015-01-18T15:16:02 < dongs> oh that shit 2015-01-18T15:16:06 < dongs> yeah, garbage 2015-01-18T15:16:51 < Laurenceb_> freeBSDgirl lolz 2015-01-18T15:17:20 < zn414> Laurenceb_, supose I creat a file and keep writing to it , doesn't the sector get wear out ? 2015-01-18T15:17:34 < dongs> no 2015-01-18T15:17:44 < dongs> < PeterM> sdcard has controller built in usually that handles that shit 2015-01-18T15:17:45 < Laurenceb_> theres a controller on the card 2015-01-18T15:17:47 < Laurenceb_> yup 2015-01-18T15:18:49 < zn414> i see ok. 2015-01-18T15:19:09 < PeterM> zn414: if you really want to getinto it, twach this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPEzLNh5YIo 2015-01-18T15:19:40 < zn414> i see, thank you PeterM . 2015-01-18T15:20:13 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-18T15:35:44 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/8/89/The_Blocklist_Code.png 2015-01-18T15:37:11 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T15:37:59 < dongs> Laurenceb_: http://childswork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Fetal-Alcohol-Syndrome1.jpg 2015-01-18T15:40:05 < PeterM> http://www.coolantarctica.com/gallery/whales_whaling/images/harpoon_gun.jpg 2015-01-18T15:40:24 < Laurenceb_> heh 2015-01-18T15:42:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/efJR06L.jpg 2015-01-18T15:43:15 < PeterM> idonteven 2015-01-18T15:43:38 < PeterM> it'd be pretty hard to not break the glass 2015-01-18T15:45:09 < PeterM> you'd get water everywhere too 2015-01-18T15:45:57 < Laurenceb_> is dat dongs ircing? 2015-01-18T15:46:04 < dongs> pretty much 2015-01-18T15:47:02 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-18T15:59:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/456763017/designed-for-healthy-eating-foodini-a-3d-food-prin 2015-01-18T16:01:19 < dekar_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20141212_203954.jpg 2015-01-18T16:01:20 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T16:01:44 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/PALxw.jpg 2015-01-18T16:03:18 < PeterM> dunno about you but 3d printed food seems like it would take longer than normal food, cost more and taste worse. i dun geddit 2015-01-18T16:03:58 < scummos> ^ that was my exact thought :D 2015-01-18T16:04:09 < dongs> since when anything on dickstarter makes sense 2015-01-18T16:07:22 < dongs> http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/11/29/buffalo/ ah, this 2015-01-18T16:07:24 < dongs> fucking ordering 2015-01-18T16:07:30 < dongs> no time to dick up my own of t hese things 2015-01-18T16:07:36 < zn414> i expected a 3d printed fish bun. 2015-01-18T16:13:46 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T16:15:08 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T16:22:22 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T16:27:22 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-18T16:32:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T16:39:59 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T16:47:31 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-18T16:48:15 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-50-129-64-145.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-18T16:54:56 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:00:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-18T17:00:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-18T17:03:43 -!- Smd__ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:03:59 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-18T17:04:10 -!- Smd__ is now known as Smd_ 2015-01-18T17:04:38 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:07:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:08:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-18T17:08:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:09:31 < zn414> wb kuldeepdhaka 2015-01-18T17:15:41 < jpa-> qyx_: using "B" (the standard symbol for 'byte') for block is quite confusing 2015-01-18T17:16:09 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-18T17:16:33 < jpa-> qyx_: or else your speeds were otherwise confusing 2015-01-18T17:17:20 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:17:21 < jpa-> qyx_: ah, never mind, understood it now 2015-01-18T17:20:06 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-18T17:20:24 < dongs> http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/gadgets/google-to-halt-sale-of-google-glass/article6799208.ece 2015-01-18T17:20:28 < dongs> lol 2015-01-18T17:20:29 < dongs> glassholes, die 2015-01-18T17:20:50 < ReadError> tool goggles 2015-01-18T17:27:10 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T17:33:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-18T18:08:09 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-18T18:36:23 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrkgufogjghpkqke] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-18T19:01:46 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:02:18 < Tectu> in a project report when you want to say what you would change in the future and what additions you would made (new features) - what is a good title for that chapter/section? 2015-01-18T19:02:28 < Tectu> "Future Improvements" ? 2015-01-18T19:03:48 < Getty> Cloud 9 ;) 2015-01-18T19:03:54 < BrainDamage> try also "opt-in dildos", but future improvements sounds good 2015-01-18T19:04:36 < Getty> yeah opt-in dildos is much better, i would vote for that 2015-01-18T19:05:02 < Tectu> My professor will be thankful that I don't care about ##stm32 votes :P 2015-01-18T19:07:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T19:08:26 < Getty> well, some people just dont admire quality 2015-01-18T19:09:11 < Tectu> can somebody explain that english 'opt-in' expression to me anyway? 2015-01-18T19:09:23 < Tectu> I hear it "quite a lot" but I never understood the real meaning of it 2015-01-18T19:13:35 < Rickta59> it is the opposite of opt-out 2015-01-18T19:13:44 < Rickta59> which means you don't want to be a part of something 2015-01-18T19:13:59 < Rickta59> so opt-in means you explicitly want to be part of something 2015-01-18T19:14:41 < Rickta59> opt-in typically used with the acceptance of email from someone 2015-01-18T19:17:01 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.51.21] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:17:01 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.51.21] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-18T19:17:01 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:21:37 < Tectu> Rickta59, thanks. 2015-01-18T19:21:56 < Tectu> Rickta59, I know this is annoying but can you give an example phrase of using 'opt-in' in that mail scenario? 2015-01-18T19:25:09 < Getty> "If you want to opt-in to this newsletter, click this link!" 2015-01-18T19:25:16 < Tectu> ah, I see 2015-01-18T19:25:17 < Tectu> thanks 2015-01-18T19:25:27 < Tectu> so "opt-in dildos" would basically mean that we should add dildos to the desing...? 2015-01-18T19:25:32 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:25:56 < Getty> no it says that you show a lot of future improvements, which are all dildos, and you made them all optional 2015-01-18T19:26:59 < Tectu> do you really want to life in a world where dildos are optional and not mandatory? 2015-01-18T19:27:47 < Getty> depends on your sexual orientation ;-))))))))) 2015-01-18T19:29:38 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.102] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:30:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.58.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-18T19:33:06 < Rickta59> sometimes people use "Lessons Learned" as a section where you describe what you would change in the future based on what you learned in this version Tectu 2015-01-18T19:42:25 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-18T19:43:08 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:43:55 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T19:45:34 < Tectu> Rickta59, thanks! 2015-01-18T19:47:16 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T19:49:27 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-18T20:00:03 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T20:03:44 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T20:16:31 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T20:21:23 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T20:23:05 < Tectu> does zyp happen to be around? 2015-01-18T20:25:11 < GargantuaSauce> beep beep i'm a zyp 2015-01-18T20:26:45 < Steffanx> no such thing as a zyp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/zyp 2015-01-18T20:27:28 < GargantuaSauce> you're a zyp 2015-01-18T20:28:05 < Tectu> watch your words, GargantuaSauce 2015-01-18T20:28:19 < GargantuaSauce> go zyp yourself 2015-01-18T20:29:04 < Steffanx> bored much GargantuaSauce? :P 2015-01-18T20:29:18 < GargantuaSauce> maybe a zyp 2015-01-18T20:32:16 -!- barthess1 is now known as barthess 2015-01-18T20:47:58 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-232-156.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T20:50:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T21:09:58 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T21:11:48 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T21:12:03 < kakeman> I realized why coffee maker companies like to make thermos coffee makers 2015-01-18T21:12:38 < kakeman> it lacks heater under can totally 2015-01-18T21:12:45 < kakeman> just plastic 2015-01-18T21:14:25 < Steffanx> didnt you do proper research before you bought your coffee maker thing mr kakeman? 2015-01-18T21:15:27 < kakeman> I hate it when I can't reheat my coffee 6hours after filtering 2015-01-18T21:15:53 < Steffanx> lol like you WANT to do that 2015-01-18T21:15:57 < Roklobsta> filter coffee = weak dishwater 2015-01-18T21:16:24 < Roklobsta> you need to have coffee so strong that it will put hair on your back. 2015-01-18T21:16:34 < Steffanx> no thanks. 2015-01-18T21:16:45 < kakeman> Roklobsta: I just use more powder 2015-01-18T21:17:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T21:17:48 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-18T21:17:53 < Roklobsta> i have 3 large scoops going on the stove now in an italian stove espresso pot. 2015-01-18T21:18:14 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T21:21:21 < kakeman> show me 2015-01-18T21:22:01 < Roklobsta> i just poured it into a large mug. no coffee = not stm32 hacking 2015-01-18T21:22:26 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [shutting down] 2015-01-18T21:23:15 < kakeman> agree 2015-01-18T21:23:15 < BrainDamage> heating constantly coffee triggers secondary chemical reactions which makes for bitter coffee, having it go cold after a while is not that bad thing 2015-01-18T21:23:57 < Roklobsta> uh yeah, this american thing of having weak filter coffee stay warm for hours getting more and more bitter is no really coffee to enjoy. 2015-01-18T21:24:39 < Steffanx> where is mr Roklobsta from? 2015-01-18T21:24:50 < kakeman> just were to ask same thing 2015-01-18T21:24:56 < Roklobsta> a 14 hour flight from usa 2015-01-18T21:25:01 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-232-156.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-18T21:25:01 < Roklobsta> 20 hours from europe 2015-01-18T21:25:09 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T21:25:09 -!- ServerMode/##stm32 [+o ChanServ] by wilhelm.freenode.net 2015-01-18T21:25:23 < kakeman> australia 2015-01-18T21:25:38 < Steffanx> yikes. 2015-01-18T21:25:38 < Roklobsta> and it's 625am coffee time 2015-01-18T21:25:59 < kakeman> its 0925pm coffee time 2015-01-18T21:26:06 < Steffanx> 6.25 is sleep time 2015-01-18T21:26:22 < Roklobsta> buy one of these pots. great coffee. tastes as good as anything out of a $500 machine. http://www.espressozone.com/coffee-makers/stovetop-espresso-makers 2015-01-18T21:26:37 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T21:27:09 < BrainDamage> holy shit that export markup, here the mokas cost 5€ 2015-01-18T21:27:32 < Roklobsta> i am using that as an example. mine cost $10 from aldi. 2015-01-18T21:27:45 < Steffanx> Aldi in aussieland? :O 2015-01-18T21:27:54 < Roklobsta> yes loads of aldi 2015-01-18T21:28:04 < Laurenceb_> troll science 2015-01-18T21:28:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459 2015-01-18T21:28:08 < Steffanx> Lidl too? 2015-01-18T21:28:25 < Roklobsta> i can get my pfefferknusse and apfelkohl hit. 2015-01-18T21:28:36 < Roklobsta> no just aldi 2015-01-18T21:28:36 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-18T21:29:09 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T21:30:40 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T21:31:50 < Steffanx> Had your daily dose of yosemite yet? 2015-01-18T21:32:07 < Steffanx> i mean Vegemite lol 2015-01-18T21:32:59 < Roklobsta> yeah i might later today 2015-01-18T21:39:59 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.io/project/3886-co2-reducer 2015-01-18T21:40:07 < Laurenceb_> oh man why didnt I think of that 2015-01-18T21:40:11 < Laurenceb_> thats genius 2015-01-18T21:40:53 < kakeman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvPa4edZ-Eg test pilot job fun 2015-01-18T21:44:48 < kakeman> aviation industry moves kinda slow 2015-01-18T21:45:08 < kakeman> 20year delay 2015-01-18T21:57:09 < Laurenceb_> nice recovery 2015-01-18T21:57:10 < Laurenceb_> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/microcontrollers/MAX32600.html 2015-01-18T21:57:15 < Laurenceb_> interesting 16bit ADC 2015-01-18T21:57:16 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-18T21:57:54 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: stop. you're using up the internet. 2015-01-18T21:58:57 < kakeman> typical design would be atomized before landing 2015-01-18T22:00:04 < kakeman> rivets just popping off and aluminum sheets shreading apart 2015-01-18T22:02:14 < Steffanx> Someone with STM insiders info knows that the F8 is about? 2015-01-18T22:02:18 < Steffanx> *STM32F8 2015-01-18T22:02:23 < Steffanx> and maybe the L4 2015-01-18T22:07:31 < zyp> STM32A5 2015-01-18T22:07:38 < Steffanx> also dont remember seeing the F446 before 2015-01-18T22:08:44 < kakeman> how to add professional smell in your room or office: coffee maker and coffee and filters and cups lying around 2015-01-18T22:09:36 < Steffanx> finished the professionality in your office by coffee rings on your desk 2015-01-18T22:09:39 < Steffanx> -ed 2015-01-18T22:10:09 < kakeman> another thing is to heat circuit boards with heater 2015-01-18T22:10:34 < kakeman> so that nice pcb smell starts to float around 2015-01-18T22:10:44 < kakeman> may cause cancer 2015-01-18T22:10:47 < kakeman> or not 2015-01-18T22:11:39 < kakeman> also you need a drop of delicate smart sweat smell 2015-01-18T22:12:05 < Steffanx> professional man cave. 2015-01-18T22:12:19 < kakeman> :) 2015-01-18T22:13:07 < Laurenceb_> an F8 2015-01-18T22:13:08 < Laurenceb_> omg 2015-01-18T22:14:07 < GargantuaSauce> stm32F35 joint strike controller 2015-01-18T22:15:26 < Steffanx> Yeah, this guy working for ST says he is responsive for the verification of IP for ... STM32 F8 .. 2015-01-18T22:15:43 < zyp> responsible 2015-01-18T22:15:50 < Steffanx> responsible indeed 2015-01-18T22:16:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-18T22:19:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T22:20:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-18T22:23:36 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-41-13.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T22:34:55 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-18T22:39:02 < Laurenceb_> ooh F446 looks nice 2015-01-18T22:39:02 < Laurenceb_> 180mhz in 64pin 2015-01-18T22:39:02 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-18T22:46:41 < Laurenceb_> It is said STM32F8 series is this: Built 8MBFlash, 0.8MB SRAM 2015-01-18T22:47:15 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T22:47:18 < Laurenceb_> It is said STM32F8 series is this: 2015-01-18T22:47:19 < Laurenceb_> Built 8MBFlash, 0.8MB SRAM. 2015-01-18T22:47:19 < Laurenceb_> Using 88nM production process. SRAM in operation at speeds up to 800MHz, power consumption of 18mA. 2015-01-18T22:47:19 < Laurenceb_> Price 18 yuan RMB @ 8Mpcs 2015-01-18T22:47:20 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2015-01-18T22:47:53 < Devilholk> Easy to remember those values =P 2015-01-18T22:49:41 < Laurenceb_> http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://bbs.21ic.com/icview-227717-1-1.html&prev=search 2015-01-18T22:49:44 < Laurenceb_> so much BS 2015-01-18T22:50:05 < Laurenceb_> "f103 will not do" lol 2015-01-18T22:53:46 < Laurenceb_> sjh262626 published in 2011-4-1 23:05:16 | Show This Author | Returns forum 2015-01-18T22:53:46 < Laurenceb_> Today is April 1 2015-01-18T22:53:49 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz 2015-01-18T22:57:06 * KreAture_ is starting to hate his oled display 2015-01-18T23:00:51 < Steffanx> because you're doing it wrong or .. why? 2015-01-18T23:01:10 < zyp> obviously because he's doing it wrong 2015-01-18T23:01:18 < zyp> if he did it right, it'd just work 2015-01-18T23:03:16 < Steffanx> the right thing can also be wrong. 2015-01-18T23:07:02 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: what controller does it have? 2015-01-18T23:08:30 < KreAture_> seps525 2015-01-18T23:08:33 < KreAture_> I use it in spi mode 2015-01-18T23:08:36 < KreAture_> or trying to 2015-01-18T23:08:59 < PaulFertser> I have an ssd1325-based device. 2015-01-18T23:09:26 < KreAture_> Problem is the seps525 in spi mode has no readback support so I cannot confirm if it is working 2015-01-18T23:10:07 < PaulFertser> Assuming you can at least turn it on, you should see garbage on screen from its uninitialised internal framebuffer? 2015-01-18T23:10:15 < KreAture_> no 2015-01-18T23:10:21 < KreAture_> I cannot activate the array at all 2015-01-18T23:10:46 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T23:11:01 < KreAture_> I follow spec on the reset procedure, then init the display, finally clear the ram and then activate the hv drive (13v) before letting it settle and then enable display 2015-01-18T23:11:03 < KreAture_> no result 2015-01-18T23:11:11 < KreAture_> Looked at different libs online and all do it same way 2015-01-18T23:11:20 < KreAture_> really annoying 2015-01-18T23:11:26 < Fleck> morning ppl! 2015-01-18T23:12:04 < PaulFertser> With ssd1325 hv drive can be permanent, and I could actually enable the display right after some very basic configuration, without clearing the ram. 2015-01-18T23:13:10 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-18T23:13:14 < KreAture_> I can probably do that too 2015-01-18T23:13:20 < KreAture_> My point is, nothing happens 2015-01-18T23:13:27 < KreAture_> I don't think the internal oscillator even starts 2015-01-18T23:13:54 < KreAture_> Displays are delivered from reputable distributor 2015-01-18T23:13:57 < KreAture_> (Farnell/Newark) 2015-01-18T23:14:24 < KreAture_> and I have spares so after doublechecking everything and even using a logic analyser on the io, and finding it all good, I tested a diff display 2015-01-18T23:14:26 < KreAture_> still nothing 2015-01-18T23:17:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-18T23:20:18 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: can you check all the signals and connections one-by-one on the connector itself cross-checking against the module datasheet and reference schematics? Also, is pin assignment order correct? 2015-01-18T23:20:26 < PaulFertser> (just wildly guessing here) 2015-01-18T23:21:36 < KreAture_> I did that twice PaulFertser 2015-01-18T23:21:51 < KreAture_> scope shows me very nice signals 2015-01-18T23:22:06 < KreAture_> everything i as I expect it except the oscillator tuning resistor 2015-01-18T23:22:12 < KreAture_> it shows no signal 2015-01-18T23:22:22 < KreAture_> I assume that is because it is not starting right 2015-01-18T23:22:33 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-18T23:25:37 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T23:25:45 < PaulFertser> I assume you've read both the module datasheet, and the controller one too. Meh, it's really strange then. Might be a defective batch, unlikely, but still. Or the reference schematics incorrect. 2015-01-18T23:27:34 < KreAture_> been through allyes 2015-01-18T23:27:37 < KreAture_> really annoying 2015-01-18T23:27:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-18T23:28:32 < KreAture_> Hmm 2015-01-18T23:28:46 < KreAture_> Datasheet sais to leave enable high when using spi, and use chipselect 2015-01-18T23:28:58 < KreAture_> but I suspect that some of the other breakoutboards that work pull it low 2015-01-18T23:31:21 < qyx_> don't suspect things like that 2015-01-18T23:31:44 < zyp> do suspect things like that, and try it out yourself to confirm 2015-01-18T23:31:54 < zyp> that's how you get around documentation errors 2015-01-18T23:32:15 < KreAture_> well, I could buy a adafruit breakout board, or use my own 2015-01-18T23:32:17 < qyx_> i mean its better to say "i measured it and it works while datasheet says it shouldn't" 2015-01-18T23:32:22 < KreAture_> my own follows datasheet on those pinns 2015-01-18T23:32:28 < KreAture_> ada does not, and pulls em low 2015-01-18T23:32:30 < KreAture_> but hers work 2015-01-18T23:32:36 < KreAture_> atleast from the videos online 2015-01-18T23:33:27 < qyx_> which oled is that? 2015-01-18T23:33:45 < KreAture_> http://no.farnell.com/densitron/dd-160128fc-1a/display-oled-rgb-160x128/dp/1498857?ost=149-8857 2015-01-18T23:35:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-159-210.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-18T23:36:06 < kakeman> who uses square vias and why? 2015-01-18T23:36:30 < zyp> square vias? 2015-01-18T23:37:29 < gxti> qyx_: so is xmodem great for bootloadering? 2015-01-18T23:38:01 < gxti> i was thinking about doing that. have spi flash for loading over net from inside the app, and xmodem in bootloader as a fallback 2015-01-18T23:38:03 < zyp> over what? 2015-01-18T23:38:18 < zyp> isn't tftp more usual? 2015-01-18T23:38:37 < gxti> sure, but then i need a full network stack in the bootloader. and i have to deal with config compatibility between bootloader and app. 2015-01-18T23:39:07 < zyp> why is that different from xmodem? 2015-01-18T23:39:23 < qyx_> KreAture_: and your schematic? 2015-01-18T23:39:54 < qyx_> gxti: it is usable 2015-01-18T23:39:55 < gxti> don't need any configuration in a serial bootloader 2015-01-18T23:39:56 < KreAture_> My schematic is same as the others 2015-01-18T23:41:44 < gxti> and even when it's working tftp is still hard for stupid people to use, better to have a web upload 2015-01-18T23:41:56 < qyx_> gxti: i mean that besides the people thinking it is so '80, it works great 2015-01-18T23:42:33 < qyx_> and i am also using the same approach, spi flash for firmware storage 2015-01-18T23:42:47 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-18T23:42:48 < qyx_> you can also store multiple firmware images and last known working configuration here 2015-01-18T23:43:05 < zyp> oh, I thought you meant xmodem over tcp 2015-01-18T23:43:05 < gxti> yes, and maybe static web assets to serve up as well 2015-01-18T23:43:09 < gxti> haha no 2015-01-18T23:43:11 < qyx_> no 2015-01-18T23:43:14 < qyx_> serial 2015-01-18T23:44:01 < gxti> i didn't even realize that existed until i started poking around yesterday, seems useless 2015-01-18T23:48:03 < qyx_> a did this yesterday https://github.com/iqyx/ubload/blob/master/common/xmodem.c 2015-01-18T23:48:49 < qyx_> but pulling out the cable for a while during firmware upgrade seems to mess things a bit 2015-01-18T23:49:04 < qyx_> i assumed it should handle this situation without problems 2015-01-18T23:49:33 < qyx_> apparently xmodem is not that great in handling similar situation when one of the control characters occurs in the middle of packet data 2015-01-18T23:50:20 < qyx_> also this thing as a whole is messy now, i need to rewrite some parts 2015-01-18T23:53:19 < qyx_> and also license meh 2015-01-18T23:53:53 < gxti> maybe even xmodem is more than i need. mostly i want something that a half-clueful windows user could figure out without poking their eye out, but hopefully never needs to use. 2015-01-18T23:57:56 < qyx_> i am tempted to do dfu, but need to find a way of breaking boot process 2015-01-18T23:59:34 < qyx_> and another minor problem is that this board doesn't have usb --- Day changed Mon Jan 19 2015 2015-01-19T00:00:05 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxsqilroazobrwvv] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T00:03:05 * KreAture_ /me found a newer revision datasheet for the oled 2015-01-19T00:03:09 * KreAture_ found a newer revision datasheet for the oled 2015-01-19T00:05:25 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T00:06:04 < Laurenceb_> lulz 2015-01-19T00:06:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Using-999-sex-line-Man-sentenced-court-phoning/story-25884327-detail/story.html 2015-01-19T00:09:57 < KreAture_> dang, no help 2015-01-19T00:17:12 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T00:31:02 < upgrdman> nice http://i.imgur.com/3UivLI0.jpg 2015-01-19T00:31:05 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-41-13.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T00:32:27 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T00:35:06 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T00:37:27 < KreAture_> ? 2015-01-19T00:37:50 < KreAture_> tad tight parhaps 2015-01-19T00:38:21 < KreAture_> worse ? http://www.refinedguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Odd-Urinals-9-e1338877104446.jpg 2015-01-19T00:39:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T00:41:17 < KreAture_> upgrdman http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/thermochromic_urinal.jpg 2015-01-19T00:41:31 < KreAture_> This one I'd like to try, although alone so I can have some fun 2015-01-19T00:41:43 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-19T00:41:53 < upgrdman> yes 2015-01-19T00:42:02 < upgrdman> even if i wasnt alone, i'd pee all over the place 2015-01-19T00:42:26 * KreAture_ imagines spelling his name 2015-01-19T00:42:42 < upgrdman> pro tip: if you have a thermal camera, watch your pee going into a toilet.... looks like a metal foundry pouring liquid metal 2015-01-19T00:42:51 < upgrdman> best use of my Flir to date. 2015-01-19T00:42:58 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-19T00:43:02 < KreAture_> I have a Fluke 2015-01-19T00:43:21 * KreAture_ is still pissed at this oled 2015-01-19T00:43:34 < KreAture_> I hope my other displays come tomorrow in mail, I am tired of this shit 2015-01-19T00:48:29 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db70f8e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-19T00:49:48 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T00:50:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T00:52:49 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-19T01:25:14 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T01:33:11 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T01:33:51 < kakeman> what is idea of having dc2dc converter in isolator? 2015-01-19T01:34:19 < gxti> use your imagination kakeman 2015-01-19T01:35:01 < kakeman> of course no need of local regulator 2015-01-19T01:35:07 < kakeman> but apart from that 2015-01-19T01:35:13 < gxti> it's an isolated power supply 2015-01-19T01:35:28 < gxti> unless you're talking about something different, but since you didn't link to anything... 2015-01-19T01:35:36 < kakeman> I don't mean isolated ps 2015-01-19T01:36:16 < kakeman> when one or both of seperate blocks have integrated regulation of supply 2015-01-19T01:36:33 < kakeman> wondering if there is performance benefits 2015-01-19T01:37:22 < kakeman> wait 2015-01-19T01:37:29 < kakeman> it's actually isolated supply 2015-01-19T01:37:36 < kakeman> I read it wrong 2015-01-19T01:49:38 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-19T01:49:44 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T01:59:02 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T02:01:07 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T02:01:45 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-19T02:09:45 < dongs> sup innovative bunch 2015-01-19T02:09:57 < dongs> kakeman just /nick beaky already and get on with your stm32 SMPS 2015-01-19T02:13:14 < dongs> http://www.shanghai-zhuting.com/img/HomeGarden/SH-HG-561/ebay(1)/you/SH-HG-561-2.jpg 2015-01-19T02:13:17 < dongs> niiice 2015-01-19T02:16:24 < kakeman> nope.exe 2015-01-19T02:17:11 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T02:19:41 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-19T02:25:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-19T02:28:01 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T02:28:16 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-19T02:33:16 < Fleck> ;p :D 2015-01-19T02:38:45 < kakeman> is it normal that projects just 2015-01-19T02:38:54 < kakeman> delay foever 2015-01-19T02:45:24 < dongs> its called assburgering 2015-01-19T02:50:26 < englishman> the dixus panels dongs 2015-01-19T02:50:31 < englishman> still assburgering on those? 2015-01-19T02:51:03 < dongs> yeah, its just sitting here. along with all the other shit 2015-01-19T02:51:09 < dongs> i guess its done, last version wokred good enough 2015-01-19T02:51:18 < englishman> so much shit, right 2015-01-19T02:51:21 < englishman> just piles up 2015-01-19T02:51:27 < dongs> yepo 2015-01-19T02:51:43 < englishman> im getting low on that latest proj 2015-01-19T02:51:58 < englishman> gotta innovate some new shit quick 2015-01-19T02:53:30 < dongs> http://image.rakuten.co.jp/tokusan-hin-2/cabinet/kanban.gif 2015-01-19T02:54:49 < dongs> i bought BT HID transmitter from them 2015-01-19T02:54:59 < dongs> soon I will be able to type on my phone with PC keyboard. 2015-01-19T02:56:25 < Fleck> airdroid? 2015-01-19T02:56:28 < dongs> no, phone binds to a dongle in your PC 2015-01-19T02:56:40 < dongs> and mouse+keyboard of pc works on phone w/some hotkey 2015-01-19T02:56:50 < dongs> i got fucking RSI on my thumb from sliding on the garbage google keyboard 2015-01-19T02:59:06 < dongs> Fleck: sounds useless 2015-01-19T02:59:39 < Fleck> dunno, I use it, now and then 2015-01-19T02:59:41 < Fleck> like it! 2015-01-19T03:00:02 < englishman> airdroid is pretty nice 2015-01-19T03:00:13 < englishman> does it do kb stuff? 2015-01-19T03:00:26 < Fleck> no :D but you can send sms in web :D 2015-01-19T03:01:06 < englishman> oh, thats new 2015-01-19T03:01:36 < Fleck> riiight! 2015-01-19T03:01:37 < englishman> do i need "airdroid windows" or can i do it in web interface 2015-01-19T03:01:49 < Fleck> in web 2015-01-19T03:01:59 < englishman> been using airdroid for a few years but just to transfer files basically and install apks 2015-01-19T03:02:11 < englishman> oh there it is 2015-01-19T03:02:12 < englishman> neat 2015-01-19T03:02:33 < englishman> R2COM: airdroid 2015-01-19T03:02:38 < englishman> and web browser on desktop 2015-01-19T03:02:48 < dongs> * in android sucks 2015-01-19T03:03:05 < dongs> 5.0 is a complete shitheap 2015-01-19T03:03:08 < englishman> ^ 2015-01-19T03:03:09 < englishman> yes 2015-01-19T03:03:15 < englishman> no silent mode 2015-01-19T03:03:20 < englishman> kb sucks 2015-01-19T03:03:26 < englishman> lock screen with tons of shit 2015-01-19T03:03:33 < englishman> argh yes 2015-01-19T03:03:47 < englishman> no matter how many times i add shitfuck to dictionary 2015-01-19T03:03:47 < dongs> the dictionary is filled with words nobody fucking uses 2015-01-19T03:04:41 < englishman> dono, iphone is smaller, lighter and used probably cheaper 2015-01-19T03:05:02 < englishman> last thing i need is a 2lb 6" phone screen with shit camera, like google phones 2015-01-19T03:06:01 < Fleck> there we go again... iphone vs ... :D 2015-01-19T03:06:29 < englishman> its just that nexus phones suck so bad 2015-01-19T03:06:52 < englishman> ive never owned an iphone 2015-01-19T03:07:34 < englishman> DynaTAC 2015-01-19T03:07:40 < Fleck> just5 2015-01-19T03:08:20 < Fleck> http://www.just5.com/worldwide/en/brick/brick-black << best phooone ever! 2015-01-19T03:09:09 < dongs> fleck, they stoly my design 2015-01-19T03:09:12 < dongs> from 200x 2015-01-19T03:09:17 < Fleck> :) 2015-01-19T03:09:31 < Fleck> where? :D 2015-01-19T03:09:31 < dongs> 24601 May 16 2004 phone.png 2015-01-19T03:09:40 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/artwork/phone.png 2015-01-19T03:09:43 < Fleck> there is NO design! :) 2015-01-19T03:10:00 < englishman> lies, theres no external antenna 2015-01-19T03:10:24 < dongs> thats a stylus for adding shit to addressbook 2015-01-19T03:10:25 < englishman> and, it has java i bet 2015-01-19T03:10:25 < Fleck> :D 2015-01-19T03:10:29 < dongs> INNOVATIVE 2015-01-19T03:10:57 < englishman> "design by drawing on paper" i have that 2015-01-19T03:11:13 < englishman> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Pr0bbKX4L._SY300_.jpg 2015-01-19T03:12:34 < dongs> englishman: ius that spigen 2015-01-19T03:12:46 < englishman> wot? 2015-01-19T03:12:51 < dongs> case 2015-01-19T03:12:52 < dongs> by spigen? 2015-01-19T03:12:54 < dongs> looks similar 2015-01-19T03:12:57 < englishman> ringke 2015-01-19T03:13:02 < dongs> eh same shit 2015-01-19T03:13:02 < dongs> k 2015-01-19T03:13:40 < englishman> it looks cool 2015-01-19T03:13:41 < Fleck> that's slow! :D 2015-01-19T03:13:53 < dongs> MTK 2015-01-19T03:13:57 < dongs> trah chipset 2015-01-19T03:13:57 < englishman> assdroid is always slow no matter what 2015-01-19T03:14:02 < dongs> loks like they're just rebranding some chinese garbage 2015-01-19T03:14:34 < dongs> also 5", too huge 2015-01-19T03:14:56 < dongs> i never got any thumb pain wiht dixus4, but 5 and this HTC shit are too big to comfortably use 2015-01-19T03:15:11 < Fleck> nah, 5'' is ok! I got 5.5'' and love it! 2015-01-19T03:15:39 < englishman> got an offer on my subaru for $280 2015-01-19T03:16:00 < Fleck> anyway - bedtime, take care guys! 2015-01-19T03:16:06 < englishman> bai 2015-01-19T03:16:23 < englishman> yes 2015-01-19T03:17:11 < englishman> i was asking $500 2015-01-19T03:17:22 < englishman> thats why i dont buy shitty cars 2015-01-19T03:19:21 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T03:20:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T03:23:15 < kakeman> I miss something about murica 2015-01-19T03:24:44 < kakeman> sounds and smells of a forrest 2015-01-19T03:25:08 < kakeman> nuts falling to road from trees 2015-01-19T03:25:22 < englishman> fat people on rascals smoking marlboro 2015-01-19T03:25:35 < kakeman> eating in places 2015-01-19T03:26:11 < englishman> glorious mcdonalds, that you are never more than 50 miles from 2015-01-19T03:26:11 < kakeman> sun shine almost a month in row 2015-01-19T03:26:23 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxsqilroazobrwvv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-19T03:26:28 < kakeman> while it was snowing in finland 2015-01-19T03:26:46 < englishman> finland? i thought you were russian 2015-01-19T03:26:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-19T03:27:01 < englishman> you get the sun for a month straight though... literally, without night 2015-01-19T03:27:31 < kakeman> smell of sewers and laundry in boston night 2015-01-19T03:27:53 < kakeman> I got lost in boston 2015-01-19T03:28:12 < kakeman> just riding bicycle all night 2015-01-19T03:29:21 < kakeman> didn't have service in my phone 2015-01-19T03:33:47 < kakeman> you live there? 2015-01-19T03:34:59 < kakeman> in what range? 2015-01-19T03:35:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T03:35:21 < kakeman> 50miles? 2015-01-19T03:35:25 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqcnabwzbesrtgyk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T03:36:00 < kakeman> * didn't have service or battery 2015-01-19T03:42:41 < kakeman> did I fail if I didn't visit new york? 2015-01-19T03:43:18 < dongs> < englishman> glorious mcdonalds, that you are never more than 50 miles from 2015-01-19T03:43:19 < dongs> uhh' 2015-01-19T03:43:22 < dongs> more like 5 amirite? 2015-01-19T03:43:30 < dongs> isnt that shit everwehre 2015-01-19T03:44:18 < kakeman> why eat in mcdonalds 2015-01-19T03:45:38 < BrainDamage> depending where you are, eating at mcdonalds isn't always a terrible idea, eg in angola i'd imagine mcdonalds would hold an higher hygienic standard than local restaurants :p 2015-01-19T03:45:40 < kakeman> I know 2015-01-19T03:46:17 < kakeman> there are food deserts in muricas so that mcdonalds can be best option 2015-01-19T03:46:27 < kakeman> in some areas 2015-01-19T03:46:47 < kakeman> are you born american? 2015-01-19T03:49:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T03:52:23 < kakeman> R2COM: did I fail when I didn't? 2015-01-19T03:54:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-19T03:55:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T03:56:24 < kakeman> good 2015-01-19T04:00:19 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-19T04:00:30 < dongs> holy shit LSM303DTR is fucking out EVERYWEHRE 2015-01-19T04:00:35 < dongs> fucking ST 2015-01-19T04:00:40 < dongs> mouser has 20k on order lol 2015-01-19T04:01:10 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T04:02:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T04:02:24 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d42153.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T04:02:55 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-19T04:05:08 < englishman> R2COM: mass. is cool 2015-01-19T04:05:14 < englishman> nice countryside 2015-01-19T04:05:51 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4320e.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T04:20:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-19T04:20:36 < dongs> R2COM: making more of old project. some train display shit from last year 2015-01-19T04:23:08 < kakeman> train display= 2015-01-19T04:23:12 < kakeman> ? 2015-01-19T04:23:38 < dongs> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/PlaneTrain_Display.JPG/1280px-PlaneTrain_Display.JPG 2015-01-19T04:23:41 < dongs> this kinda trash 2015-01-19T04:24:24 < dongs> yes 2015-01-19T04:24:45 < dongs> actually thats funny, it is exactly part for that train 2015-01-19T04:24:52 < dongs> its the atlanta one 2015-01-19T04:24:59 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plane_Train 2015-01-19T04:25:52 < dongs> ya 2015-01-19T04:27:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T04:36:26 < dongs> pcie lanes dont need to be length matched? 2015-01-19T04:36:29 < dongs> lane to lane 2015-01-19T04:44:21 < GargantuaSauce> a pc motherboard would have to be like 40 layers if they did 2015-01-19T04:44:41 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: heh no shit. just googled up a powerpoint by pci-sig 2015-01-19T04:44:52 < dongs> Trace length matching between pairs 2015-01-19T04:44:52 < dongs> is not required 2015-01-19T04:44:52 < dongs> ¸Embedded clock simplifies 2015-01-19T04:44:53 < dongs> routing rules 2015-01-19T04:45:09 < dongs> neat 2015-01-19T04:45:20 < dongs> cuz this intel card just has them routed all over the board at random 2015-01-19T04:45:50 < dongs> * Manage loss and jitter to meet budget 2015-01-19T04:46:35 < dongs> https://www.pcisig.com/developers/main/training_materials/get_document?doc_id=6d37ec2f8543fc1f9d8ace6264d08b469f57e5f1 2015-01-19T04:46:38 < dongs> some cool stuff in tehre 2015-01-19T04:46:56 < dongs> o 90° bends; impact to loss and jitter budgets 2015-01-19T04:47:01 < dongs> ^ more misinformation!!! 2015-01-19T04:47:06 < dongs> 90 degree traces add JITTER 2015-01-19T04:47:47 < GargantuaSauce> well i guess crosstalk can manifest as jitter? 2015-01-19T04:48:45 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T04:49:02 < dongs> OEMs free to innovate independent solutions 2015-01-19T04:49:03 < GargantuaSauce> i didnt realize it was ac coupled, always thought those were resistors 2015-01-19T04:49:16 < dongs> eh, of course it is 2015-01-19T04:52:27 < englishman> 90 degree should only add jitter at jiggahurtz 2015-01-19T04:52:40 < englishman> thats far beyond what your soundstage can handle 2015-01-19T04:52:53 < GargantuaSauce> how about 16GT/s? 2015-01-19T04:54:38 < GargantuaSauce> i'd be interested to see how these guidelines changed for pcie 3.0 and 4.0 2015-01-19T04:54:46 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-19T04:55:26 < GargantuaSauce> also surprised to see public docs like this, i thought they liked sitting on their secret sauce 2015-01-19T04:55:39 < GargantuaSauce> didn't they DMCA wikipedia over the pci page? 2015-01-19T04:56:50 < dongs> whats a T 2015-01-19T04:56:58 < dongs> to get 16GT/s 2015-01-19T04:57:06 < englishman> transfer 2015-01-19T04:59:14 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.pcisig.com/developers/main/training_materials/get_document?doc_id=a1e5e6ab35cf97a8a8dbc9f84f62104f721583dc 2015-01-19T04:59:22 < dongs> what is that in furlongs per fortnight 2015-01-19T05:00:23 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d41c17.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T05:00:37 < GargantuaSauce> well 2.0 uses 8b/10b not sure about 3/4 2015-01-19T05:00:47 < GargantuaSauce> 128b/130b 2015-01-19T05:00:49 < dongs> i think 3.0 did like 12312/113123 b 2015-01-19T05:00:49 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-19T05:00:55 < dongs> got moar 2015-01-19T05:01:05 < dongs> there's pcie4 now? 2015-01-19T05:01:09 < GargantuaSauce> apparently 2015-01-19T05:01:24 < GargantuaSauce> lets just say 2GB/s because math is for chumps 2015-01-19T05:01:36 < dongs> is that per lane now 2015-01-19T05:01:39 < GargantuaSauce> yes 2015-01-19T05:01:48 < dongs> much speed 2015-01-19T05:02:05 < GargantuaSauce> pretty far into masochism territory as far as design goes 2015-01-19T05:02:40 < GargantuaSauce> your impedance makes my penis harder 2015-01-19T05:03:09 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d42153.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T05:04:46 < dongs> heh page 38 of that pdf 2015-01-19T05:06:04 < dongs> nice, scraped some LSM303 from bottom of chinese barrels 2015-01-19T05:10:06 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13233 2015-01-19T05:10:08 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T05:25:29 < dongs> tehre's a groupbuy for those for $200 2015-01-19T05:25:33 < dongs> the rest is shitfun tax 2015-01-19T05:25:49 < dongs> https://groupgets.com/campaigns/58-flir-lepton-thermal-imager-w-optional-breakout-board-batch-5#discussion 2015-01-19T05:26:01 < dongs> err 2015-01-19T05:26:12 < dongs> https://groupgets.com/campaigns/58-flir-lepton-thermal-imager-w-optional-breakout-board-batch-5 2015-01-19T05:27:08 < dongs> teh sensor is kinda garbage, 2fps 2015-01-19T05:27:25 < dongs> maybe mipi part is faster 2015-01-19T05:28:58 < dongs> no 2015-01-19T05:29:04 < dongs> nobody gave a shit, nobody does still 2015-01-19T05:33:49 < kakeman> if you have extra money why not 2015-01-19T05:34:32 < dongs> I am also one of the majority of backers who have faith in Torquing Group. The company has been delivering successful UAVs to the most demanding customers for years. The company also has plans for new UAVs for military, police and firefighters. Torquing Group is clearly a reliable company. A company like this would never risk its future by messing up a Kickstarter campaign. 2015-01-19T05:34:35 < Roklobsta> Because, like the subject matter of too many iphone apps, everyone wants to do this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FOM_2kCOaM 2015-01-19T05:34:37 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T05:34:46 < dongs> R2COM: also fake 2015-01-19T05:35:04 < dongs> err 2015-01-19T05:35:07 < dongs> Roklobsta: ^ 2015-01-19T05:38:28 < Roklobsta> donb: how's your tally of lies for that project coming along? 2015-01-19T05:38:50 < dongs> oh, its completely and thoroughly fucked 2015-01-19T05:39:20 < dongs> dorquing group havent done anything of value 2015-01-19T05:39:25 < dongs> since he was 14 2015-01-19T05:39:31 < englishman> Roklobsta: wow, thats an old video 2015-01-19T05:39:40 < dongs> I started Torquing as a small business when I was 14 and living in Australia. I closed this business when I changed fields to another business, which grew into a small company. 2015-01-19T05:39:43 < dongs> I left Australia and came to the UK where I started Torquing Technology Ltd in memory of Torquing my business I started and ran for years during my early stages in my career. If I wanted to hide anything, why would I deliberately tie my entire life together? 2015-01-19T05:39:51 < englishman> dongs: wow who the fuck wrote that and what affiliation do they have? 2015-01-19T05:40:05 < dongs> englishman: which the 1st or 2nd paste 2015-01-19T05:40:07 < englishman> 1st 2015-01-19T05:40:10 < dongs> 1st is some dick on teh forum 2015-01-19T05:40:17 < englishman> clearly affiliated with torquinggroup 2015-01-19T05:40:19 < dongs> but lemme see if hes a moderator 2015-01-19T05:40:26 < Roklobsta> it's his Mum. 2015-01-19T05:40:31 < Roklobsta> astroturfing 2015-01-19T05:40:37 < englishman> astrotorquing 2015-01-19T05:40:56 < Roklobsta> she's doing it because her love for him is blind. 2015-01-19T05:45:51 < GargantuaSauce> holy shit they got >2M gbp in the end 2015-01-19T05:48:33 < Roklobsta> yep 2015-01-19T05:50:14 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: did you see mu thermal closed shop 2015-01-19T05:50:20 < dongs> blaming seekthermal, lol 2015-01-19T05:50:25 < GargantuaSauce> yeah 2015-01-19T05:52:02 < dongs> Anyway, I won't be responding to these acquisitions anymore. 2015-01-19T05:52:02 < dongs> We are simply going to focus on delivering what you all want and what we have promised to do. Yes, videos are coming and soon. 2015-01-19T05:52:18 < dongs> nobody is going to be acquiring a scamcorp anyway 2015-01-19T05:52:20 < PeterM> Torquing will close shop with the money and blame dongie and his quadildo, The MANaze32 2015-01-19T05:52:46 < dongs> im thinking of whether to write up a hueg blog post on tarduino.cc about it or write it up and email to drop-kicker 2015-01-19T05:52:57 < dongs> the latter would probly get more exposure 2015-01-19T05:52:58 < qyx_> do both 2015-01-19T05:53:08 < qyx_> write once, use twice 2015-01-19T05:53:11 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T05:53:14 < PeterM> write up and email dropkicker, and after a while (maybe a day or so put it on the blag 2015-01-19T05:53:34 < englishman> drop-kicker gets viwez 2015-01-19T05:53:54 < dongs> the faith poster was one of the dudes on dickstarter 2015-01-19T05:53:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/comments 2015-01-19T05:54:10 < dongs> backed 455 other projects 2015-01-19T05:54:11 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T05:54:18 < englishman> whoa 2015-01-19T05:55:15 < GargantuaSauce> sounds like he made shilling a fulltime job 2015-01-19T05:55:16 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/933564703/splitter-bring-life-to-your-wifi-dead-spot 2015-01-19T05:55:23 < dongs> how do i certified 2015-01-19T05:56:21 < GargantuaSauce> i am so glad that didnt get funded 2015-01-19T05:56:23 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/101624252 2015-01-19T05:56:38 < dongs> that guy seems like a good indicator of failprojects to watch 2015-01-19T05:56:53 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/abel-acuna/pootime-the-mobile-app-for-people-that-poo 2015-01-19T05:58:14 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1553148706/the-fantastic-megadom-megacube-arduino-clone 2015-01-19T05:58:55 < dongs> pretty sure this guy jsut donats $1 to troll 2015-01-19T05:58:57 < englishman> $43 for avr and breakout board 2015-01-19T05:59:10 < dongs> unless he's that dumb 2015-01-19T05:59:21 < dongs> i wonder if tehre's dickstarter endorsement services 2015-01-19T05:59:24 < dongs> like buy facebook likes 2015-01-19T05:59:29 < dongs> instead y ou buy dickstarter likes 2015-01-19T05:59:35 < dongs> and guys like this post positive shit 2015-01-19T05:59:51 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T05:59:51 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1288504402/spider-wifi-router-2-x-24ghz-one-box-100-devices 2015-01-19T06:00:01 < dongs> yeah saw that didnt even click 2015-01-19T06:00:03 < dongs> looked ridiculous 2015-01-19T06:00:27 < PeterM> Make a kickstarter account for The Onion and pretend to be an onion reporter in the comments 2015-01-19T06:01:51 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/analogartistry/leo-vintage-analog-sound-from-any-modern-device 2015-01-19T06:01:55 < GargantuaSauce> yesssss 2015-01-19T06:02:02 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T06:02:15 < dongs> gaping-wide soundstage 2015-01-19T06:02:37 < dongs> All analog design 2015-01-19T06:02:37 < dongs> 3.5 mm stereo audio-in and headphone-out 2015-01-19T06:02:37 < dongs> Frequency response: 2-200 kHZ (3 dB) 2015-01-19T06:02:52 < dongs> but made in eagle 2015-01-19T06:02:55 < dongs> instantly disqualified 2015-01-19T06:03:15 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T06:03:18 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T06:03:54 < qyx_> square vias and 90° traces? 2015-01-19T06:04:06 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T06:04:21 < PeterM> 2-200khz lol 2015-01-19T06:04:54 < PeterM> i assume meant 2hz-200khz, unless is fulltard 2015-01-19T06:05:50 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/788/186/4ed2f858b5a551f984b7ff0a7c5ac4c5_large.png?1414048457 2015-01-19T06:06:13 < qyx_> lol i was almost right 2015-01-19T06:06:17 < dongs> Leo brings a presence to music, as if listening to a live performance. The tonal quality provides warmth and power while preserving delicate high frequencies. Leo brings out the best performance from any pair of headphones. 2015-01-19T06:06:37 < englishman> audiophile drivel never ceases to amaze me 2015-01-19T06:06:55 < dongs> If you are interested in ordering your own power adapter for your specific needs the adapter must deliver between 7V DC and 12V DC and have a 5.5mm x 2.1mm center positive barrel connector to plug into Leo. 2015-01-19T06:06:58 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/252587878/cake-board-new-lego-friendly-solderless-breadboard forgot about this one 2015-01-19T06:07:17 < dongs> more like kakemanboard 2015-01-19T06:07:28 < dongs> hey they fucking suceeded 2015-01-19T06:07:30 < dongs> its that scam japco 2015-01-19T06:08:52 < GargantuaSauce> i cant find it but i remember them mentioning that it only works for like 10 insertions before the holes get too loose 2015-01-19T06:09:24 < dongs> thats cuz its ART 2015-01-19T06:09:26 < dongs> you dont appreciate it 2015-01-19T06:09:27 < englishman> >mom joke 2015-01-19T06:10:47 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1812459948/minispartan6-a-powerful-fpga-board-and-easy-to-use 2015-01-19T06:10:57 < GargantuaSauce> oh man check out the ide 2015-01-19T06:12:06 < qyx_> why are they reinventing the ise 2015-01-19T06:12:20 < GargantuaSauce> too many buttons 2015-01-19T06:12:21 < GargantuaSauce> 3 max 2015-01-19T06:16:50 < PeterM> >SPARTAN-6 2015-01-19T06:16:54 < PeterM> >0.1"headers 2015-01-19T06:17:02 < dongs> >hdmi in *and* out 2015-01-19T06:17:05 < dongs> maybe OK if 320x240 2015-01-19T06:17:14 < dongs> not enough to do > 720p while doing anything else 2015-01-19T06:17:37 < dongs> PeterM: i bought some chian lx9 breakout for ~$25 shipped 2015-01-19T06:17:38 < dongs> it also had headers 2015-01-19T06:17:39 < dongs> handy 2015-01-19T06:18:15 < emeb_mac> can you do hdmi on lx9? 2015-01-19T06:18:19 < dongs> yes 2015-01-19T06:18:50 < emeb_mac> I/O is fast enough? 2015-01-19T06:18:54 < dongs> ya 2015-01-19T06:19:00 < dongs> theres hardware serializer shits 2015-01-19T06:19:01 < dongs> ytou can stack 2015-01-19T06:19:16 < dongs> tehres some crap on dickaday doing hdmi in with spartan6 2015-01-19T06:19:24 < emeb_mac> yeah - little ones in the IOBs. Didn't know they were fast enough for hdmi 2015-01-19T06:19:28 < PeterM> http://forums.xilinx.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/20209i69F586E84A736E77?v=mpbl-1 2015-01-19T06:19:34 < PeterM> >ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS 2015-01-19T06:19:40 < dongs> arduino headers? 2015-01-19T06:19:41 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T06:20:35 < emeb_mac> PeterM: how about this -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc_s6/index.html 2015-01-19T06:23:09 < emeb_mac> dongs: screw hackaday - here's the Xilinx appnote on it: http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/application_notes/xapp495_S6TMDS_Video_Interface.pdf 2015-01-19T06:23:42 < PeterM> emeb_mac: it's got an LED for when it's DONE with your shit 2015-01-19T06:23:56 < emeb_mac> yep 2015-01-19T06:24:18 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T06:25:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T06:54:29 < englishman> thats $80k more than i made last year 2015-01-19T06:55:15 < englishman> protein powder and arduinos 2015-01-19T06:57:11 < englishman> and homemade beer 2015-01-19T06:58:40 < englishman> i will make nixie tube daughterboard for arduino 2015-01-19T06:59:17 < englishman> russian superiority 2015-01-19T06:59:41 < dongs> emeb_mac: you're way too late to the game 2015-01-19T06:59:42 < dongs> http://arduinix.com/ 2015-01-19T06:59:44 < dongs> err englishman ^ 2015-01-19T06:59:55 < englishman> well thats cool 2015-01-19T06:59:55 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-19T07:00:00 < englishman> i can just put that on kickstarter 2015-01-19T07:00:05 < dongs> http://arduinix.com/images/Main/News/2013/NES.jpg 2015-01-19T07:00:07 < dongs> HAHA THIS 2015-01-19T07:00:18 < englishman> so retro 2015-01-19T07:01:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T07:01:24 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-19T07:01:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1756272518/attoduino-turbocharged-wireless-arduino-compatible 2015-01-19T07:01:46 < dongs> still going dowen the list of that shillguy 2015-01-19T07:01:55 < dongs> there's some amazing garbage on there 2015-01-19T07:02:35 < dongs> > We.ve been successfully designing, building, and selling electronic devices for years. The experience let us go quickly from concept to a working device, in a few short months 2015-01-19T07:02:39 < dongs> > https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/865/201/43392317622417353c672c367be2f420_large.png?1397170529 2015-01-19T07:02:50 < dongs> > traces look like they were shitted out by an eagle user 2015-01-19T07:03:35 < englishman> they didnt say the electronics were good 2015-01-19T07:03:53 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2065435222/pcbgrip-probe-clamp-for-your-electronics-projects 2015-01-19T07:03:56 < dongs> ??? 2015-01-19T07:04:03 < dongs> watching video, cuz still screenshot doesnt help 2015-01-19T07:05:38 < qyx_> lol wtf 2015-01-19T07:05:52 < dongs> looks like addon for something else I still dont understand the point of 2015-01-19T07:06:03 < dongs> when I need more probes held in place i just call kids 2015-01-19T07:06:38 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-19T07:07:26 < englishman> needs spring or something 2015-01-19T07:07:27 < englishman> ya 2015-01-19T07:07:30 < dongs> http://www.e-z-hook.com/images/custom/large/custom_XKMcable.jpg 2015-01-19T07:07:55 < dongs> R2COM: if you need a probe constantly connected to a masked trace, y ou fucked up your desing 2015-01-19T07:08:06 < PeterM> solder/tack turned pin socket to where you need to probe - stick tip in, fuckin done 2015-01-19T07:10:39 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T07:12:54 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T07:26:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T07:33:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T07:50:16 -!- MrM0bius is now known as MrMobius 2015-01-19T07:52:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T07:55:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T07:55:33 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db70f8e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T08:05:39 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-124.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T08:07:40 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-143-55-254.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T08:09:33 < PeterM> dongs http://imgur.com/gallery/tKzJ41R 2015-01-19T08:11:01 < dongs> clickien 2015-01-19T08:11:06 < dongs> god damn fucking old 2015-01-19T08:11:55 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-19T08:12:39 < dymk> What services do you guys use for your low volume PCB fab? 2015-01-19T08:12:59 < dymk> also, damn, that's one hell of a job, dildo vein painter 2015-01-19T08:14:34 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T08:15:22 < dymk> dirtypcbs seems like it might work, but faster fab would be nice 2015-01-19T08:15:33 < dymk> they'd be like, minimum two and a half weeks 2015-01-19T08:18:24 < qyx_> i use seeed, no problem so far 2015-01-19T08:18:52 < emeb_mac> eeeee 2015-01-19T08:20:08 < dymk> oh man a black pcb would look so awesome 2015-01-19T08:20:42 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T08:25:54 < dongs> https://twitter.com/j_millerworks/status/556151534736932866 2015-01-19T08:27:43 < dymk> lol 2015-01-19T08:31:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.14] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T08:42:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T08:49:07 < PeterM> dymk pcbcart is more pricey and not as friendly for 1-10 qtys but are pretty good for more than 50 and have lots of options 2015-01-19T08:49:27 < dymk> PeterM, thanks for the advice, we're much lower quantity than that though 2015-01-19T08:49:52 < dymk> only need a few of this board, but at some point we'll need to get a "nice" one made. for now, cheap prototypes though 2015-01-19T08:55:54 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-19T08:57:22 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T09:02:50 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T09:07:36 < dongs> whats that standard 2.54mm connector thats white/shrouded shit 2015-01-19T09:07:39 < dongs> is that JST-XH? 2015-01-19T09:07:53 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T09:07:58 < dongs> chinas are caling it 'wafer' 2015-01-19T09:11:24 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T09:14:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-19T09:15:52 < dongs> fucking 2015-01-19T09:16:02 < dongs> like 3rd time i clicked 'close all other windows' instead of "close current window" in altidong 2015-01-19T09:16:12 < dongs> fucking kikes for not properly doing ctrl+f4 2015-01-19T09:16:22 < dongs> ctrlf4 seems to work half hte time 2015-01-19T09:23:25 < qyx_> you would certainly like ctrl+q (quit) and ctrl+w (close tab) conbination 2015-01-19T09:28:03 < qyx_> *m 2015-01-19T09:32:25 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T09:36:47 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T09:37:30 < dongs> thats lunix trash 2015-01-19T09:42:58 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T09:43:27 < qyx_> firefox, ctrl+q is not that common 2015-01-19T09:44:05 < qyx_> also, who could even make up ctrl+f4 2015-01-19T09:44:20 < qyx_> you need to strech your fingers like when calling on 6" phone 2015-01-19T09:45:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-19T09:46:40 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T09:47:36 < dongs> youre just a hater 2015-01-19T09:49:47 < dongs> http://rapere.io/ 2015-01-19T09:49:48 < dongs> great name 2015-01-19T09:50:57 < dongs> http://poop.bike/ 2015-01-19T09:55:29 < qyx_> and thats may be actually goot for it 2015-01-19T09:55:38 < qyx_> -s 2015-01-19T09:55:43 < qyx_> s/t/d 2015-01-19T09:55:51 < qyx_> too much morning 2015-01-19T09:56:15 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-169-83-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-19T09:56:23 < dongs> R2COM: the only slow part is syncing sch->pcb 2015-01-19T09:56:47 < dongs> multirouting is BLAZING FAST on my I7 GAMING RIG 2015-01-19T09:57:51 < dongs> pffffft 2015-01-19T10:03:46 < akaWolf> nice 2015-01-19T10:04:21 < akaWolf> I'm still think, that MG is better. 2015-01-19T10:10:52 < akaWolf> do you want to say, that they are equal? 2015-01-19T10:13:20 < akaWolf> mm, ok 2015-01-19T10:13:38 < akaWolf> well, I understand your point 2015-01-19T10:14:09 < jadew> I find it weird that a company like Altium can't keep up 2015-01-19T10:14:38 < jadew> no 2015-01-19T10:15:06 < jadew> when you have lots of money, not being able to come up with a top-notch product is a sign of poor management and/or dumb team leaders 2015-01-19T10:15:19 < jadew> or dumb software architects 2015-01-19T10:16:02 < jadew> R2COM, there's a level after which it doesn't matter how much money you have, you already have enough to do whatever you want 2015-01-19T10:16:12 < jadew> altium was in that position for a very very long time 2015-01-19T10:16:23 < Roklobsta> protel was fine. i did 8 layer boards in protell99se no problem. 2015-01-19T10:16:39 < qyx_> = higher communication burden 2015-01-19T10:16:43 < jadew> R2COM, that's the thing, they already had enough money to hire enough people to get the job done 2015-01-19T10:16:44 < qyx_> = lower effectivity 2015-01-19T10:17:05 < qyx_> ok, no. 2015-01-19T10:17:50 < jadew> R2COM, not to mention that if I had a team of 10 developers that I'd hand pick, in a year I could make something a lot better than Altium 2015-01-19T10:18:14 < jadew> (I never used Cadence of Mentor Graphics, so I can't say anything about them) 2015-01-19T10:18:21 < jadew> R2COM, absolutely 2015-01-19T10:18:28 < qyx_> so you are wrong 2015-01-19T10:18:33 < jadew> I could do it by myself in about 3 years 2015-01-19T10:19:02 < jadew> R2COM, that's another thing I wanted to say, more money usually means more staff that doesn't produce value 2015-01-19T10:19:10 < jadew> R2COM, I never used ocrad 2015-01-19T10:19:20 < jadew> but I can beat Altium in 3 years by myself, yes 2015-01-19T10:19:30 < qyx_> uhm 2015-01-19T10:20:10 < jadew> well, that's what I was saying, with a good team, Atlium should have been able to keep up 2015-01-19T10:20:12 < jadew> they had the money 2015-01-19T10:20:21 < jadew> you don't even need a big team, just a good one 2015-01-19T10:20:52 < Roklobsta> when protel became altium the price shot up to $7000. they called my boss and he laughed at them and said call him back when it was $2500. A few weeks later they sold it to him for $2500. 2015-01-19T10:20:57 < jadew> well, that was my original point :) poor management or shitty team leaders/architects 2015-01-19T10:21:45 < Roklobsta> MBA's 2015-01-19T10:22:10 < Roklobsta> fire everyone, sell the assets, jack up the share price. walk away with bonus. Repeat. 2015-01-19T10:22:49 < jadew> oh, hey Roklobsta, was just thinking about you the other day 2015-01-19T10:23:06 < Roklobsta> jadew i am surprised to see yo uhere from #avr. 2015-01-19T10:23:22 < jadew> Roklobsta, I'm everywhere :P 2015-01-19T10:23:30 < Roklobsta> how is your CRO? 2015-01-19T10:23:37 < jadew> got a new one 2015-01-19T10:23:40 < Roklobsta> which one? 2015-01-19T10:23:44 < jadew> the 1104Z 2015-01-19T10:23:46 < Roklobsta> ah 2015-01-19T10:23:52 < Roklobsta> hacked? 2015-01-19T10:24:24 < jadew> no, I bought the 1074Z when it came out, but when I got to the store to pick it up, they didn't have it, so they gave me the 1104Z instead 2015-01-19T10:24:32 < Roklobsta> nice 2015-01-19T10:24:33 < jadew> as a free upgrade :D 2015-01-19T10:24:47 < Roklobsta> it's the same thing with 1 bit difference in the config file 2015-01-19T10:24:53 < jadew> yeah 2015-01-19T10:25:25 < jadew> anyway, was thinking that it all started with you recommending that scope 2015-01-19T10:25:29 < Roklobsta> yes and 2015-01-19T10:25:47 < Roklobsta> you were struggling to do things with printf. 2015-01-19T10:25:54 < Roklobsta> that you needed a cro for 2015-01-19T10:25:58 < jadew> heh, not even - I never used printf :P 2015-01-19T10:26:09 < jadew> not on AVR anyway 2015-01-19T10:26:40 < Roklobsta> ok you were guessing. 2015-01-19T10:26:47 < Roklobsta> and praying 2015-01-19T10:26:51 < jadew> pretty much 2015-01-19T10:27:05 < Roklobsta> prayer is the worst debug tool ever 2015-01-19T10:28:06 < Roklobsta> so you were thinking about me... 2015-01-19T10:28:10 < jadew> heh, yeah 2015-01-19T10:28:20 < jadew> since the first scope, things have kinda gotten out of hand 2015-01-19T10:28:40 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T10:29:28 < Roklobsta> how so? do you not sleep any more? 2015-01-19T10:29:39 < jadew> I spent about 6k on instruments last month :D 2015-01-19T10:30:43 < jadew> mainly because I wasn't sure which SA to get, so I bought 3 2015-01-19T10:31:03 < Roklobsta> ow 2015-01-19T10:31:13 < jadew> gonna sell 2 of them eventually 2015-01-19T10:33:13 < jadew> anyway, I love this hobby and I think it wouldn't have happened if I didn't meet you - I wasn't so sure I want a scope at that time 2015-01-19T10:35:13 < dongs> man i gotta stop assburgering 2015-01-19T10:37:12 < jadew> dongs, that sounds like a gay thing 2015-01-19T10:37:25 < dongs> no its called having tons of projects in qeuue and failing all of them 2015-01-19T10:37:35 < dongs> but yes, it is a very gay thing 2015-01-19T10:37:44 < dongs> cuz it prevents me from getting paid on a lot of htem 2015-01-19T10:40:15 < jadew> I'm in the same boat 2015-01-19T10:40:44 < jadew> I recently learned some LA company has been stealing ideas from my LA software so I reorganized my priorities this weekend 2015-01-19T10:41:02 < jadew> I'm gonna start working on a new LA to rule them all 2015-01-19T10:44:37 < jpa-> "stealing ideas" 2015-01-19T10:44:51 < jpa-> you can own ideas now? 2015-01-19T10:45:12 < jadew> jpa-, well, you can come up with them and then see them showing up in competing software 2015-01-19T10:45:36 < jpa-> yes, which is normal and how technological progress has always worked 2015-01-19T10:45:48 < jpa-> usual term is "taking ideas" 2015-01-19T10:47:56 < jadew> however you put it, they copied several of my ideas so it's hard to stay positive about it 2015-01-19T10:48:41 < zyp> unless they came up with them on their own 2015-01-19T10:48:45 < jadew> luckly they did a poor job and I can tell they're skill less, which means not a lot of harm was done 2015-01-19T10:49:10 < jadew> zyp, no, they didn't, even some of the windows look the same 2015-01-19T10:49:16 < jadew> and the overall functionality 2015-01-19T10:49:30 < jadew> there's even discussion on their forum regarding what to copy from my software 2015-01-19T10:51:01 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T10:51:14 < dongs> stealing innovations 2015-01-19T10:51:34 < dongs> jadew: outsource hardware stuff to me, so dirty romanian PCB fab doesnt steal your IP 2015-01-19T10:51:59 < jadew> heh, I'm not gonna make them in Romania, our PCB fab houses suck 2015-01-19T10:52:22 < dongs> yes, but made in glorious nippon sounds way better 2015-01-19T10:52:26 < dongs> than made in filthy chinese pcb house 2015-01-19T10:53:30 < jadew> I was planning to assemble them in-house tbh 2015-01-19T10:54:02 < dongs> http://wiring.org.co/img/splash_3.jpg 2015-01-19T10:54:05 < jadew> I don't think I'll sell that many that I won't be able to do it 2015-01-19T10:54:46 < jadew> what's Wiring? 2015-01-19T10:56:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T10:58:10 < dongs> tarduino garbage 2015-01-19T11:02:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T11:09:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T11:10:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-19T11:13:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T11:17:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-19T11:19:44 < dongs> http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/18/asia/north-korea-defector-changes-story/ 2015-01-19T11:19:46 < dongs> trolled 2015-01-19T11:25:49 < dongs> jadew: if youre planning to only hand-assemble a few, you've already failed 2015-01-19T11:27:35 < jadew> dongs, well I'll see how many I'm going to sell 2015-01-19T11:28:11 < jadew> I'll just get an oven and do batches of 10 or so, can't be that bad 2015-01-19T11:28:42 < dongs> 500MHz? lots of sample ram? arduino compatible? fuck yes you will sell way more than 10 2015-01-19T11:29:00 < jadew> arduino compatible? hehe 2015-01-19T11:29:09 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T11:37:13 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T12:27:29 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T12:30:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T12:31:18 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d41c17.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-19T12:40:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-19T13:02:13 < dongs> hooleefuck 2015-01-19T13:02:19 < dongs> im doing 12 trace multirouting in altidong 2015-01-19T13:02:27 < dongs> and its slower than diptrace with highrez doge stencil 2015-01-19T13:02:35 < dongs> like 20x slower 2015-01-19T13:02:45 < dongs> it takes 3 seconds to update traces 2015-01-19T13:03:10 < dongs> attn R2COM 2015-01-19T13:05:59 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:09:51 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T13:10:13 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:10:13 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-19T13:10:13 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:14:23 -!- phantone [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:19:04 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:19:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:31:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.14] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T13:34:55 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-19T13:43:30 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-19T13:49:18 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-19T13:56:50 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T14:00:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T14:03:37 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-mod-multivibrating-open-source-dildo 2015-01-19T14:05:15 < akaWolf> dongs: ho many are you buy? 2015-01-19T14:08:06 < akaWolf> dilduino 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < dongs> you arent asking if im the creator? 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < dongs> :) 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < akaWolf> hmmm 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < akaWolf> are you creator? )) 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < englishman> chief test subject 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < dongs> looks pretty fail anyway 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < dongs> cuz arduino 2015-01-19T14:09:11 < dongs> https://www.comingle.io/dilduino 2015-01-19T14:09:29 < akaWolf> there is should ne any ability for programming in such kind of things anywat 2015-01-19T14:09:30 < akaWolf> y 2015-01-19T14:09:53 < dongs> should be or shouldnt be?> 2015-01-19T14:10:00 < akaWolf> last 2015-01-19T14:10:06 < dongs> shrug 2015-01-19T14:12:15 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1124015/files/20141230221248-OSSW-Logo_Small_.png?1420006368 2015-01-19T14:12:15 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T14:12:15 < akaWolf> looks fun 2015-01-19T14:12:15 < dongs> Want to have a fun sexy party. For $25 we.ll send you some condoms and lube with our logo on them, as well as some stickers and temporary tattoos that you can use to boldly proclaim your support of open-source sex tech. 2015-01-19T14:12:15 < Getty> electronic sex toys are actually for sure on my TODO list..... but i would head more towards the bigger stuff ;) 2015-01-19T14:12:17 < englishman> we know. 2015-01-19T14:12:31 < Getty> i mean, seriously seen, there is a lot of cash in it, but if you make a massproduction you have to be very cheap 2015-01-19T14:13:01 < Getty> while if you are like into the furniture and complex structure stuff, you can go towards single customers per production, as they pay the big amount 2015-01-19T14:13:05 < Getty> just..... saying ;) 2015-01-19T14:14:27 < akaWolf> ..a new sex toys baron 2015-01-19T14:14:27 < Getty> the production of a good cross can be done with 100 EUR, while they are sold for 400-500 EUR, just saying 2015-01-19T14:14:27 < akaWolf> ...a rising 2015-01-19T14:14:50 < Getty> btw, anyone here ever had the situation of "upgrading" an existing product? like.... adding "modern networking" to a toaster ;) 2015-01-19T14:14:56 < Getty> not single, i mean production 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < Getty> i really feel like that i want to write to all german producers of those cheap stuff who are not capable of extending to the modern markets and ask them if they want to make a cheap try 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < jadew> a networked toaster? 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < jadew> who is pushing in the bread? 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < Getty> yeah, just an example ;) 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < Getty> a better example is like washing machine 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < Getty> adding bluetooth to allow the mobile to attach to it, for seeing when its done (as simple solution) 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < Getty> i bet the people who produce those classical machines, are mostly not capable of jumping on the IoT 2015-01-19T14:17:25 < jadew> I suppose it would be useful if you have hearing issues, otherwise I think it's one of those things that you don't want to know that they're not done 2015-01-19T14:17:41 < Getty> well, all those things actually exist, but at a price range which shows "we are the modern shit!" 2015-01-19T14:17:41 < jadew> probably, but unless it's really cheap, I don't think there's a market for it 2015-01-19T14:17:41 < Getty> thats my point 2015-01-19T14:17:49 < jadew> I never heard my wife say "shit, I forgot the washing machine was running" 2015-01-19T14:17:57 < Getty> hehe 2015-01-19T14:18:09 < Getty> the point is, the machine already cost 400-500-600 EUR 2015-01-19T14:18:30 < Getty> adding this capability would be a selling point, and cost.... "some EUR" to add 2015-01-19T14:19:24 < Getty> what is more to think about here: its not about a specific solution, actually i would love to talk with those producers what they want 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> as they have the customer feedback (and the sales risk so they know where to risk) 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Laurenceb> did someone say IoT? 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> LOL 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> yes i said it to describe a lot of shit with less chars ; 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Laurenceb> www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> hahahaha, already such an evil buzzword? ;) 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> should i write "internet related electroncis"? ;) 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> IRE 2015-01-19T14:21:31 < Getty> oh its actually NRE cause its more like "network related electronics" 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < jadew> here's an idea, social network for household appliances 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < Getty> dude, that is on my private list on top 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < jadew> they can share their status 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < Getty> facebook page for the household appliances which tell all the time what they do 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < Getty> https://twitter.com/gettysroom ;) 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < Getty> its actually right now deactivated ;) but i did that 2015-01-19T14:23:38 < jadew> I was joking of course 2015-01-19T14:24:42 < Getty> i am not ;) 2015-01-19T14:24:45 < trepidaciousMBR> Getty: The trouble with intelligent devices is that all the manufacturers get a mad gleam in their eyes, and come up with an incompatible, proprietary interface, then write a god-awful iOS app, then wait a few years and abandon the whole thing 2015-01-19T14:24:56 < trepidaciousMBR> Except Philips with Hue, they got it right 2015-01-19T14:25:11 < Getty> trepidaciousMBR: thats why i want to contact them 2015-01-19T14:25:24 < Getty> i bet there are a lot of companies who tried it and failed cause of cost as they went that totaly braindead way 2015-01-19T14:25:33 < Getty> (which of course we never heard of) 2015-01-19T14:25:58 < jadew> I'd enjoy a device for my TV, that can watch it for me and call me when it spots awesome boobs, nudity or any kind of hotness 2015-01-19T14:26:14 < Getty> offering them a cheap option of a partner/supplier who cares only about that for them inside their structure, is probably really a big potential 2015-01-19T14:27:21 < jadew> and then they'll be like, so.. we have what? 100 developers and engineers, can we do the same simple thing and save $1 for every product we sell? 2015-01-19T14:27:26 < jadew> ok then, do it 2015-01-19T14:27:32 < Getty> "hardware agency"...... 2015-01-19T14:27:49 < Getty> yeah well the reality is so, that for example i know a company who has no electronican anymore even tho they sell electronic products ;) 2015-01-19T14:28:27 < Getty> i thnk more the situation is like that not many companies really do "big development" as its a committment with a lot of money 2015-01-19T14:28:29 < jadew> so they don't make them 2015-01-19T14:28:38 < Getty> they do make them 2015-01-19T14:28:50 < jadew> I don't think manufacturers can't do this by themsleves if they want to 2015-01-19T14:28:50 < Getty> they can reproduce them 2015-01-19T14:28:52 < trepidaciousMBR> Getty: In my experience big companies find it very hard to do that 2015-01-19T14:28:54 < Getty> they just dont evolve anymore 2015-01-19T14:29:22 < Getty> yes, and if we offer them a more pricy solution 2015-01-19T14:29:30 < Getty> thats the point 2015-01-19T14:29:37 < jadew> afk 2015-01-19T14:29:56 < Getty> just saying that there is a huge market that might be very "greedy" for what people with our capabilities can offer 2015-01-19T14:30:06 < Getty> but they dont know it...... 2015-01-19T14:30:24 < Getty> some do! those people are actually those who make all those kickstarters 2015-01-19T14:30:38 < Getty> having an idea, finding an electronican friend, make a startup 2015-01-19T14:30:48 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-19T14:31:01 < Getty> those people realize that "making a device" is not a "decade mission" 2015-01-19T14:31:12 < Getty> not anymore 2015-01-19T14:31:33 < Getty> but those who invested decades to come up with a washing machine, they dont know ;) yet ;) we must tell them! :D 2015-01-19T14:32:50 < Getty> a good example is the device i am working on right now, the customer saw no option, he really found us by random, else he would have waited till china had him offered that 2015-01-19T14:34:30 < Getty> and back to the sex toys: imagine the possibilities if you find a partner with existing sex toys production....... the possibilities!!!! 2015-01-19T14:41:28 < PeterM> yeah man, you could put a pump with spurt mode in one of those dragon dildos 2015-01-19T14:41:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-19T14:41:34 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@5.204.126.200] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T14:41:56 < PeterM> i was going to put /sarcasm on the ned of that, but tbh iu think it'd sell 2015-01-19T14:43:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T14:48:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:09:59 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy 2015-01-19T15:13:27 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-19T15:15:48 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:27:03 < ReadError> lol 2015-01-19T15:27:08 < ReadError> did you make a twatter account for this 2015-01-19T15:29:15 < dongs> yes 2015-01-19T15:29:18 < dongs> there is more to come 2015-01-19T15:29:20 < dongs> much more 2015-01-19T15:29:30 < dongs> i figured 2015-01-19T15:29:33 < dongs> isntead of trolling this on nirc 2015-01-19T15:29:37 < dongs> where its falling on deaf ears 2015-01-19T15:29:42 < dongs> im just gonna tweet all the trash 2015-01-19T15:29:45 < dongs> and tag it with #FlyZano 2015-01-19T15:31:42 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-19T15:32:37 < englishman> what does the name mean? 2015-01-19T15:32:46 < dongs> read it 2015-01-19T15:32:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.133.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-19T15:33:02 < englishman> ohh, my pronounciation was off 2015-01-19T15:33:09 < englishman> figured it was something like that 2015-01-19T15:33:10 < englishman> very nice 2015-01-19T15:33:49 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:35:24 < ReadError> you need an avatar dongs 2015-01-19T15:35:24 < ReadError> nobody will take the egg srs 2015-01-19T15:35:24 < ReadError> then spend like 10$ to buy a bunch of followers 2015-01-19T15:35:32 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T15:35:34 < dongs> wlel 2015-01-19T15:35:36 < dongs> im torn on the logo 2015-01-19T15:35:44 < dongs> tinfoil hat / bob dobbs 50/50 2015-01-19T15:35:52 < dongs> did a bob dobbs w/tinfoil hat but that looked ugly 2015-01-19T15:35:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.128.128] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:36:48 < ReadError> you should holla at jef or a photoshop master 2015-01-19T15:37:05 < dongs> mm ya 2015-01-19T15:37:18 < PeterM> or just use DJI logo for maximum overtroll 2015-01-19T15:37:32 < dongs> the people who baked zano are tools, the wouldnt know what a dji or quadrotor is 2015-01-19T15:37:56 < dongs> http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/this-week-in-drone-news-with-alyonamink/547db245fe3444f57c000010 2015-01-19T15:38:12 < dongs> haha the guy said "we packed a bunch of sensors into zano," 2015-01-19T15:38:18 < Steffanx> Sorry for the inconvenience. We're having trouble showing you the latest data. 2015-01-19T15:38:20 < dongs> i *think* i heard him say heart pressure sensor wat 2015-01-19T15:38:38 < PeterM> use this guys pic https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/101624252 LOL 2015-01-19T15:38:56 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T15:40:27 < dongs> all those data fusing algorithms man 2015-01-19T15:40:54 < dongs> how hte fuck does retweet work can I not add my own text to it 2015-01-19T15:41:07 < dongs> http://www.wikihow.com/Retweet reading 2015-01-19T15:42:01 < dongs> Know when to use manual retweeting. Manual retweeting, also known as classic retweeting, is when you copy and paste a tweet into the text box and tweet it from your own account. It is generally thought of as a better way to retweet, as it allows you to add your own questions and comments to the tweet (as long as you keep the entire thing under 140 characters). 2015-01-19T15:42:06 < dongs> manual retweeting wow 2015-01-19T15:43:15 < Steffanx> dongs has one follower \o/ 2015-01-19T15:44:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.128.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-19T15:44:28 < akaWolf> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/323324338/zenegg-create-time-for-yourself -- $111k 2015-01-19T15:44:28 < Laurenceb> I've got an spi transfer completing via dma, but the data in memory isnt changing 2015-01-19T15:44:31 < Laurenceb> any ideas? 2015-01-19T15:44:35 < Laurenceb> spi error? 2015-01-19T15:46:09 -!- amstan_ [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:46:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.115] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:49:20 < dongs> Investigators hope to finish a preliminary report on the crash early next week. The full report could take up to a year, but will not include the entire cockpit voice transcript. "In Indonesia it remains undisclosed," said Tatang Kurniadi, chief of the NTSC. "Just some important highlights will be included in the report." 2015-01-19T15:49:25 < dongs> well thats bullshit 2015-01-19T15:49:26 < dongs> i wanted to hear allahuakbar 2015-01-19T15:49:27 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-19T15:49:40 < dongs> i want mp3 of the fucking cvr 2015-01-19T15:49:44 < PeterM> muhumman jiha 2015-01-19T15:50:15 < PeterM> release it as your hit single 2015-01-19T15:52:17 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-19T15:52:18 < Laurenceb> (gdb) p/x *0x40013000 2015-01-19T15:52:18 < Laurenceb> $35 = 0x4ffffff 2015-01-19T15:52:23 < Laurenceb> wut happened to my spi1 2015-01-19T15:52:31 < dongs> gdb, why you must fucking 2015-01-19T15:52:41 < dongs> also cant you just do *SPI1 2015-01-19T15:52:42 < dongs> or someshit 2015-01-19T15:52:43 < dongs> jesus 2015-01-19T15:52:48 < dongs> who remembers fucking addresses 2015-01-19T15:52:49 < dongs> for peripherals 2015-01-19T15:52:57 < dongs> opensores insanity 2015-01-19T15:53:08 < dongs> < Laurenceb> $35 = 0x4ffffffu 2015-01-19T15:53:10 < dongs> ^ ftfu 2015-01-19T15:55:03 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T15:55:05 < Steffanx> i hate i2c.. especially when two devices have the same address 2015-01-19T15:55:23 < karlp> cvr == cockpit voice recorder? 2015-01-19T15:56:04 < dongs> y 2015-01-19T15:58:42 < Laurenceb> is SSM==SSI==1 ok in master mode spi? 2015-01-19T15:58:48 < Laurenceb> with gpio slave select 2015-01-19T15:59:06 < dongs> pretty s ure slave shit is ignored in master 2015-01-19T16:01:04 < Steffanx> its ok Laurenceb 2015-01-19T16:01:11 < karlp> dongs: broadcom is promoting tweets abouta micro drone in association with parrot for me now 2015-01-19T16:01:17 < Laurenceb> hmf 2015-01-19T16:01:22 < karlp> I don't think I got those until I looked at zano stuff on twitter 2015-01-19T16:01:29 < Laurenceb> 2weeks of slaving away and no si446x success 2015-01-19T16:01:32 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T16:01:43 < dongs> Laurenceb: uh, shit sitll doesnt work? 2015-01-19T16:01:48 < Laurenceb> nope 2015-01-19T16:01:51 < dongs> cpha/etc shit is correct? 2015-01-19T16:01:52 < Laurenceb> sometimes it works 2015-01-19T16:01:54 < dongs> oh 2015-01-19T16:01:56 < Laurenceb> a few % of the time 2015-01-19T16:01:58 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-01-19T16:02:02 < dongs> rusure it is correct. 2015-01-19T16:02:05 < dongs> cuz that owuld do it 2015-01-19T16:02:08 < dongs> how about speed? 2015-01-19T16:02:17 < dongs> tried nice and slow? 2015-01-19T16:02:20 < Laurenceb> yeah speed and stuff all checked 2015-01-19T16:02:26 < Laurenceb> ill try that now 2015-01-19T16:03:12 < Laurenceb> iirc speed changes the behaviour 2015-01-19T16:03:20 < Laurenceb> but not the probability of it working 2015-01-19T16:03:29 < Steffanx> Also scoped the signal? 2015-01-19T16:04:41 < Laurenceb> yeah at low speed its all 0xff 2015-01-19T16:04:49 < Laurenceb> no - too hard to probe 2015-01-19T16:05:02 < Laurenceb> I guess I should solder on some breakout wires... 2015-01-19T16:05:14 < Laurenceb> if i cant fix it by end of this afternoon Ill try that 2015-01-19T16:05:14 < dongs> sounds like you tweeted yourself into a corner 2015-01-19T16:05:16 < Steffanx> Also checked the pin speed? 2015-01-19T16:05:22 < dongs> no test points 2015-01-19T16:05:24 < Laurenceb> yes, pin speed is ok 2015-01-19T16:05:24 < dongs> fail pcb design 2015-01-19T16:05:25 < dongs> using lunix 2015-01-19T16:05:27 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-19T16:05:28 < dongs> using gdb 2015-01-19T16:05:32 < dongs> the odds are against you 2015-01-19T16:05:47 < Laurenceb> heh 2 true 2015-01-19T16:05:57 < Laurenceb> I should send board to a pro developer :P 2015-01-19T16:06:20 < Laurenceb> I guess I could tyr this code 2015-01-19T16:06:24 < Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/mNM2utjg 2015-01-19T16:06:29 < Laurenceb> but its L1 atm 2015-01-19T16:06:43 < dongs> SPI peripheral is like same everyhwere 2015-01-19T16:07:31 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-01-19T16:07:38 < Laurenceb> I'll try adding huge delays everywhere 2015-01-19T16:07:47 < dongs> if your code wasnt trash 2015-01-19T16:07:52 < dongs> you'd just need to add it in one place 2015-01-19T16:07:55 < dongs> or why not just fucking step it 2015-01-19T16:08:50 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-19T16:08:59 < Laurenceb> yeah behaviour changed again now 2015-01-19T16:09:02 < Laurenceb> this is very weird 2015-01-19T16:09:18 < Laurenceb> only the lower 4 bits are ever set 2015-01-19T16:09:28 < Laurenceb> i'm suspecting silabs issues 2015-01-19T16:10:29 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9840233 <- code is there 2015-01-19T16:10:35 < dongs> i suspect shittycode issues 2015-01-19T16:10:57 < dongs> god damn what hte fuck is going on there 2015-01-19T16:12:31 < dongs> Just for info, for those sceptic people: If this is pure air, then why would an company, like Lantronix, get in the boat? They provide their xPico Wifi module for ZANO! And since Lantronix was created in 1989, you can't say their a ghost too...! PS: Lantronix, Inc. (NASDAQ: LTRX) is a global leader of secure communication technologies. 2015-01-19T16:12:39 < dongs> lantronix hasnt been relevant since 2001 2015-01-19T16:12:51 < dongs> which was when their stock tanked from $60/share to $2 2015-01-19T16:12:56 < dongs> and stayed tehre for the last 15 years 2015-01-19T16:13:11 < dongs> they probably blamed jews/wtc on it but oh well 2015-01-19T16:14:23 < Steffanx> was lantronix ever interesting? 2015-01-19T16:14:26 * Laurenceb epic raging 2015-01-19T16:14:32 < dongs> no 2015-01-19T16:14:35 < dongs> and their module is ugly 2015-01-19T16:14:42 < Laurenceb> anyone seen any si446x codez? 2015-01-19T16:14:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UwF8zJu.jpg such wasted space 2015-01-19T16:14:57 < dongs> and t hose giant crystals and shit 2015-01-19T16:15:04 < dongs> i mean if I was going for a super miniature wifi shiz 2015-01-19T16:15:10 < dongs> couldprobly do it in half that size 2015-01-19T16:15:38 < qyx_> global leader in secure communication? 2015-01-19T16:15:52 < Steffanx> marketing <3 2015-01-19T16:16:00 < ReadError> dongs i think your riglol has lantronix shit in it 2015-01-19T16:16:57 < dongs> I'm going to be global leader in blogging 2015-01-19T16:16:58 < PeterM> shirley that board cant be serious.. 2015-01-19T16:17:15 < PeterM> why so many 0 ohm resistors 2015-01-19T16:17:30 < PeterM> si much wasted space on left and right 2015-01-19T16:17:42 < PeterM> massive crystals 2015-01-19T16:18:10 < dongs> 0R shit makes no sense 2015-01-19T16:18:31 < dongs> nor those resistor blocks 2015-01-19T16:18:38 < dongs> like next to 0R's on the left 2015-01-19T16:18:40 < dongs> the fuck are those for? 2015-01-19T16:18:46 < dongs> they must have via-in-pad 2015-01-19T16:19:12 < PeterM> and yet still massive waste of space 2015-01-19T16:19:17 < ReadError> http://www.lex18.com/story/27874751/teen-posing-as-obgyn-not-charged 2015-01-19T16:19:25 < ReadError> found your long lost son dongs 2015-01-19T16:19:28 < PeterM> LOLOL 2015-01-19T16:20:06 < dongs> wow, tahts great 2015-01-19T16:21:31 < Laurenceb> any idea why I have to use hex addresses in gdb? 2015-01-19T16:21:38 < Laurenceb> rather than say DMA1 ? 2015-01-19T16:24:47 < Fleck> ouch 2015-01-19T16:30:12 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T16:33:58 < dongs> kawaii gdb errors 2015-01-19T16:34:42 < zyp> anyone done rtc with a supercap? 2015-01-19T16:35:14 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/document-redirector?doc=http://www.digikey.com/Web%20Export/Supplier%20Content/CooperBussmann_283/PDF/CooperBussmann_PowerStor_KSeries.pdf 2015-01-19T16:35:56 < zyp> sure, just curious about practical experiences 2015-01-19T16:36:12 < dongs> marketing > experience #FlyZano 2015-01-19T16:36:21 < zyp> :p 2015-01-19T16:45:49 < Laurenceb> grrr 2015-01-19T16:45:54 < Laurenceb> (gdb) p/x rx_buffer $71 = {0xff, 0xff, 0x22, 0x44, 0x61, 0x0, 0x86, 0x0, 0x0, 0x6, 0x0, 0x0} 2015-01-19T16:46:01 < Laurenceb> sometimes it works fine.. but why 2015-01-19T16:46:13 < karlp> hold times for chip select? 2015-01-19T16:46:19 < karlp> inter request timings? 2015-01-19T16:46:36 < karlp> or the classic, not reading enough, so it gets stuck mid state machine 2015-01-19T16:48:21 < Laurenceb> interesting 2015-01-19T16:48:24 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-19T16:48:31 < Laurenceb> you have to read out the data?! 2015-01-19T16:48:44 < Laurenceb> hmm that may well explain my issues 2015-01-19T16:48:50 < Laurenceb> ok ill rewrite it 2015-01-19T16:49:19 < englishman> Laurenceb: i have some working si4463 codez 2015-01-19T16:49:45 < englishman> hardware nss on master never worked for me 2015-01-19T16:50:15 < Laurenceb> yeah I couldnt get it to work either 2015-01-19T16:50:32 < englishman> si466x api is fucking annoying 2015-01-19T16:50:41 < Laurenceb> 2 true 2015-01-19T16:50:41 < englishman> 446x whatever 2015-01-19T16:50:47 < englishman> shit is all over the place 2015-01-19T16:50:55 < englishman> 70% undocumented 2015-01-19T16:51:00 < englishman> "just use what wds says to use" 2015-01-19T16:51:01 < englishman> k 2015-01-19T16:51:07 < Laurenceb> I found secret app notes on chinese sites 2015-01-19T16:51:17 < Laurenceb> this is how I start up 2015-01-19T16:51:19 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9840315 2015-01-19T16:51:46 < englishman> the one guy i know who has it working well is basically just using it as a freq multiplier, with vcxo instead of xtal :) 2015-01-19T16:52:33 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T16:53:38 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T16:53:46 < englishman> my shit ended up ok for a ~2wk project 2015-01-19T16:54:09 < englishman> half-duplex 2-way stuff 2015-01-19T16:54:13 < dongs> same amount of time Laurenceb has been beating his head against teh wall 2015-01-19T16:54:18 < dongs> trying to figure out cpha 2015-01-19T16:54:44 < englishman> i plugged in $8 saleaeclone to figure that out, took 1.4 seconds 2015-01-19T17:01:55 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T17:03:16 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-98.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T17:26:23 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqcnabwzbesrtgyk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-19T17:35:03 < dongs> got a twitter background pro to do me some artwork 2015-01-19T17:38:58 < Steffanx> no mlp fan art? 2015-01-19T17:39:27 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-98.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-19T17:39:37 < dongs> would be kinda inappropriate 2015-01-19T17:39:46 < dongs> i'm trying to run a professional troll biz here. 2015-01-19T17:40:05 < Steffanx> oh i forgot, it's a serious twitter account 2015-01-19T17:40:22 < dongs> > serious 2015-01-19T17:40:24 < dongs> > twitter 2015-01-19T17:40:28 < _Sync__> srsbnz 2015-01-19T17:40:33 < karlp> still only 3 followers. 2015-01-19T17:40:34 < Steffanx> so who is Phil Miasup supposed to be? 2015-01-19T17:40:40 < dongs> try reading the name 2015-01-19T17:40:51 < karlp> I tried, but I am but a single person. 2015-01-19T17:41:06 < zyp> «fill my ass up» 2015-01-19T17:41:18 < gxti> it only makes sense with weird jap pronunciation 2015-01-19T17:41:22 < Steffanx> -_- 2015-01-19T17:41:42 < dongs> what a kawaii name 2015-01-19T17:41:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-19T17:42:55 < Laurenceb> are interrupts generated inside disable_irq enable_irq block handled? 2015-01-19T17:43:13 < gxti> didn't you ask that already Laurenceb 2015-01-19T17:43:24 < zyp> sure, as soon as you hit enable_irw 2015-01-19T17:43:25 < Laurenceb> maybe... 2015-01-19T17:43:29 < Laurenceb> hmm ok 2015-01-19T17:44:46 < jpa-> only one per interrupt request 2015-01-19T17:45:19 < petus> very low-cost development board for STM8S https://twitter.com/chiptronCZ/status/557160023038906368 2015-01-19T17:45:26 < zyp> jpa-, depends how your ISR is clearing the IRQ 2015-01-19T17:45:50 < jpa-> and somewhat on the peripheral also.. but assuming the most common styles 2015-01-19T17:46:21 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-19T17:46:28 < zyp> jpa-, if you have multiple interrupt flags enabled for only one IRQ, and you're only handling/clearing one of them at a time, it'll retrigger until everything is cleared 2015-01-19T17:46:43 < jpa-> true 2015-01-19T17:46:52 < jpa-> didn't think of that 2015-01-19T17:47:51 < karlp> petus: still stm8 => still deader than bsd or something... 2015-01-19T17:48:16 < karlp> I'm very suspicious about your accounting too. 2015-01-19T17:49:24 < zyp> dongs, you wouldn't happen to have any upcoming 4L panels? 2015-01-19T17:49:44 < dongs> zyp, maybe, or you can submit and wait as usaul 2015-01-19T17:52:06 < dongs> attn zyp https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10671332_10152688960225980_2156612148030157587_n.jpg?oh=c82058d25745228c30e5e01cb3cccfbf&oe=55684B16 2015-01-19T17:52:31 < zyp> not sure I'm going to bother with assembling protos myself, putting a F4 with ethernet on a board shouldn't be so hard that I wouldn't get it right on the first try 2015-01-19T17:52:43 < dongs> haha 2015-01-19T17:52:56 < dongs> you could also just pay for the boards :) 2015-01-19T17:53:01 < dongs> this sounds like workshit 2015-01-19T17:53:06 < zyp> ya 2015-01-19T17:55:47 < petus> karlp, yes, it's not popular as stm32, but dead not :-) 2015-01-19T17:56:58 < zyp> well, workshit as in I'd be getting paid to do it 2015-01-19T17:57:50 < zyp> situation is «this board is too expensive and has too much shit we don't need, we need a cheap module we can drop in instead that we can port our software to» 2015-01-19T17:58:51 < emeb> I've got an F4 + ethernet board just about to go out for fab. 2015-01-19T17:58:59 < dongs> copypaste time 2015-01-19T17:59:05 < dongs> emeb for prototyper 2015-01-19T17:59:09 < dongs> but is it 4L? 2015-01-19T17:59:15 < dongs> btw why would it even need to be 4L 2015-01-19T17:59:25 < emeb> nah. 4x7 2015-01-19T17:59:27 < dongs> i'm fucking lazy to route it on 2L 2015-01-19T17:59:33 < zyp> exactly 2015-01-19T17:59:36 < zyp> :p 2015-01-19T17:59:42 < emeb> oh wait - board is 4L 2015-01-19T17:59:49 * emeb not awake 2015-01-19T18:00:17 < zyp> I haven't even decided on 4L yet, just curious whether I'd be able to get in on a 4L panel soon if I did 2015-01-19T18:00:28 < zyp> hmm 2015-01-19T18:00:32 < Laurenceb> anyone know wtf is going on? 2015-01-19T18:00:33 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9840539 2015-01-19T18:00:42 < dongs> zyp, 2L would be much more likely 2015-01-19T18:00:44 < karlp> failing 2015-01-19T18:00:47 < zyp> how large is the cost difference between 2L and 4L in normal production? 2015-01-19T18:00:51 < Laurenceb> dma has completed but no interrupt 2015-01-19T18:00:52 < dongs> recent 4L orders haev all been full production panels 2015-01-19T18:00:54 < dongs> instead of sample shit 2015-01-19T18:01:00 * karlp is dealing with silabs fail today too 2015-01-19T18:01:05 < dongs> zyp, very little but you'd be getting 100+ boards 2015-01-19T18:01:07 < emeb> zyp: or they could just buy an F4 Disco and some waveshare crap. $60 2015-01-19T18:01:14 < karlp> fucking OTP rom on cp2104 shitz are not gigglez 2015-01-19T18:01:18 < zyp> emeb, nah 2015-01-19T18:01:29 < dongs> karlp: wassup? 2015-01-19T18:01:31 < emeb> that's how I'm testing ethernet now 2015-01-19T18:01:33 < zyp> emeb, this is for production hardware, not ghetto crap 2015-01-19T18:01:53 < dongs> does it onl let you write it once?? 2015-01-19T18:02:00 < karlp> dongs: need to enable gpio2 as rs485 driver enable, which is OTP, and requires some shitty "manufucturing support library" craptastic 2015-01-19T18:02:19 < dongs> works in windows right??? 2015-01-19T18:03:07 < zyp> dongs, so less than 100 qty doesn't make sense for 4L? 2015-01-19T18:04:43 < dongs> zyp, less than full FR4 or wahtever that makes up in size. 11x9cm board = 56 per fr4 2015-01-19T18:05:06 < dongs> ~approximately 2015-01-19T18:05:10 < zyp> ah 2015-01-19T18:05:51 < zyp> hmm, I know I asked about the price of F4 the other day, but how much is F407RG actually? :p 2015-01-19T18:06:02 < zyp> VG* 2015-01-19T18:06:03 < dongs> ill have to check. 2015-01-19T18:06:18 < dongs> you can ref wvshare price and it will be a bit less 2015-01-19T18:06:29 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/product/STM32F407VGT6.html 2015-01-19T18:06:45 < zyp> ah, okay 2015-01-19T18:07:11 < karlp> dongs: works in windows, sure, but the device is attached to a tiny linux board, with no screen. 2015-01-19T18:07:15 < zyp> heh, they don't even have R 2015-01-19T18:07:21 < emeb> noticed that 2015-01-19T18:07:24 < dongs> 64pin? 2015-01-19T18:07:38 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-19T18:07:45 < dongs> is there a 407RG? 2015-01-19T18:07:47 < dongs> cuz i dont think thre is 2015-01-19T18:07:51 < dongs> 405RG on the other hand.. 2015-01-19T18:08:00 < zyp> hmm, idk 2015-01-19T18:08:05 < dongs> wel, tehy dont have that either 2015-01-19T18:08:31 < zyp> doesn't matter, it's not like I need it to be small 2015-01-19T18:08:33 < dongs> http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/238337/AutoCharge-TR.pdf 2015-01-19T18:11:07 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9840640 2015-01-19T18:11:17 < Laurenceb> seems to be missing the interrupt? 2015-01-19T18:15:14 < zyp> uh, you know interrupts aren't handled during single stepping? 2015-01-19T18:15:47 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-19T18:16:17 < zyp> (you'd be interrupted by systick and what not all the time, making it impossible to make sense of whatever you're trying to debug) 2015-01-19T18:17:15 < Laurenceb> I see 2015-01-19T18:17:19 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-19T18:17:38 < Laurenceb> i dunno how to debug this 2015-01-19T18:17:51 < Laurenceb> remove __WFI(); so I can see where its getting stuck? 2015-01-19T18:18:57 < karlp> dongs neat research! 2015-01-19T18:19:47 < Laurenceb> yeah the interrupt is missed for DMA spi completion 2015-01-19T18:22:05 < Laurenceb> looks like __disable_irq is screwing it up 2015-01-19T18:23:07 < gxti> you can't "lose" an interrupt, once it is flagged it will be delivered as soon as you let it 2015-01-19T18:23:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-19T18:23:18 < gxti> unless you clear it yourself 2015-01-19T18:23:29 < dongs> oh gawd 2015-01-19T18:23:31 < dongs> twitter hilarity 2015-01-19T18:23:37 < dongs> was looking for lantronix to follow 2015-01-19T18:23:38 < dongs> Showing results for mantronix 2015-01-19T18:23:39 < dongs> Search instead for lantronix 2015-01-19T18:24:10 < gxti> sounds like something you'd be interested in, dongs 2015-01-19T18:24:15 < dongs> indeed! 2015-01-19T18:24:48 < Laurenceb> gxti: your right 2015-01-19T18:24:49 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-19T18:25:00 < Laurenceb> how can i just lose an interrupt, shit makes no sense 2015-01-19T18:25:38 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-19T18:25:47 < Laurenceb> I'm going to have to give up before I go full rage 2015-01-19T18:26:04 < Laurenceb> another day and only negative progress made 2015-01-19T18:26:17 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:26:28 < dongs> 01:24 < Laurenceb> gxti: your right 2015-01-19T18:26:29 < dongs> 01:24 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-19T18:27:49 < Laurenceb> I wanna know where the hell my interrupts went 2015-01-19T18:29:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:30:50 < Laurenceb> must be a GCC fail 2015-01-19T18:31:27 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7WjmvYCYAAt7ei.png:large 2015-01-19T18:31:43 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-19T18:32:24 < dongs> It's well known that trolls pledge the lowest amount and try to talk down projects (competitors and others). Below is a comment from another project as an example: 2015-01-19T18:32:28 < dongs> "For those new to Kickstarter (and I suppose for you veterans as well!), we are sorry that we do not have a means of preventing these $1 new account pledge trolls from popping up and trying to create a negative atmosphere. If you scroll through the comments of our last Kickstarter campaign, you will see an identical behavior by these types of individuals. 2015-01-19T18:32:33 < dongs> Our legal department was able to trace several of them from our previous campaign back to competitors in the 3D printing field. Our company's efforts to lower the cost of 3D Printers for the general public (or rather lower the extremely high markups that companies have put on 3D printers) has rattled some cages." 2015-01-19T18:32:58 < Laurenceb> yet the interrupt handlers are there in the disassembly 2015-01-19T18:32:59 < Laurenceb> WTF 2015-01-19T18:37:37 < Laurenceb> aha found it 2015-01-19T18:37:43 < Laurenceb> transfer error flags 2015-01-19T18:37:46 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-19T18:38:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@228.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:38:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@228.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-19T18:38:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:39:07 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:39:13 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:43:46 < dongs> waht the HELL altium 2015-01-19T18:44:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:44:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/eSnAAkS.png 2015-01-19T18:44:54 < dongs> the fuck does it want to short C32 and GND?! 2015-01-19T18:45:10 < dongs> and no there's not a tiny gnd track there 2015-01-19T18:45:33 < Lux> isn't that some error marker ? 2015-01-19T18:45:40 < dongs> yes 2015-01-19T18:45:44 < zyp> it's the unconnected net marker 2015-01-19T18:45:49 < dongs> right... 2015-01-19T18:45:53 < dongs> except its conencted 2015-01-19T18:46:02 < zyp> so it does indeed think that NetC32_1 should be connected to GND 2015-01-19T18:46:26 < Laurenceb> DMA_ISR reading 0x77770 is bad right? 2015-01-19T18:46:32 < zyp> sounds like a schematic fuckup 2015-01-19T18:46:37 < dongs> zyp, its not 2015-01-19T18:46:47 < Laurenceb> or not... 2015-01-19T18:47:13 < zyp> dongs, so what happens if you hook that net to GND? does it pass DRC then? 2015-01-19T18:48:14 < zyp> dongs, is that marker even for this side of that board? 2015-01-19T18:48:29 < zyp> what does the DRC error list say? 2015-01-19T18:48:30 -!- pulsar [af4f2f00ee@memoryleaks.org] has quit [Quit: *click*] 2015-01-19T18:48:40 -!- pulsar [525ee87924@memoryleaks.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:49:01 < dongs> Un-Routed Net Constraint: Net GND Between Pad C34-2 (1413.386,814.646mil) And Track on layer Top Layer (1452.756,802.835mil) 2015-01-19T18:49:04 < dongs> exactly that 2015-01-19T18:49:25 < dongs> it wont let me connect to it of course 2015-01-19T18:49:32 < ReadError> dongs how do i stop component boners 2015-01-19T18:49:51 < dongs> its even color coded differently 2015-01-19T18:49:54 < dongs> so it cant be same net 2015-01-19T18:50:24 < dongs> componentbonerswat 2015-01-19T18:52:24 < GargantuaSauce> tombstoning? 2015-01-19T18:52:51 < Laurenceb> anyone want to try building my project? 2015-01-19T18:53:14 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce ya 2015-01-19T18:53:16 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@5.204.126.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-19T18:53:19 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-19T18:53:34 < ReadError> i think this gone to shit, its pretty much done anyways 2015-01-19T18:54:07 < ReadError> prolly doesnt happen in an oven tho 2015-01-19T18:54:19 < ReadError> w/ proper ramping and even heat 2015-01-19T18:54:22 < Laurenceb> anyone want to try building https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/ ? 2015-01-19T18:54:33 < Laurenceb> DMA2/3 interrupt handlers are never called 2015-01-19T18:54:44 < Laurenceb> they were calling fine this morning... 2015-01-19T18:54:55 < gxti> dongs: i think if it wanted you to connect those pads it would not be pointing at some random segment further down, it always finds the shortest distance 2015-01-19T18:55:31 < dongs> theres nothing there 2015-01-19T18:55:34 < dongs> fucking nothign 2015-01-19T18:57:36 < Laurenceb> use kiCAD 2015-01-19T18:57:51 < dongs> kikecad doesnt evne have working drc 2015-01-19T19:00:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-19T19:03:42 < dongs> gonna restart altidong 2015-01-19T19:04:02 < zyp> «have you tried turning it off and on again?» 2015-01-19T19:04:14 < dongs> well motherfucker 2015-01-19T19:04:19 < dongs> Rule Violations : 0 2015-01-19T19:04:30 < zyp> heh 2015-01-19T19:04:47 < dongs> thats hilarious, the airwire is still there. 2015-01-19T19:04:54 < dongs> but its no longer in drc 2015-01-19T19:05:38 < dongs> repoured pours, and its gone for good 2015-01-19T19:05:38 < dongs> k 2015-01-19T19:05:39 < dongs> nice 2015-01-19T19:05:46 < englishman> professional tools 2015-01-19T19:05:59 < dongs> where's R2COM to praise ocrad 2015-01-19T19:13:09 < dongs> who said via stitching sucked? 2015-01-19T19:13:15 < dongs> seems towork pretty dam good 2015-01-19T19:13:23 < dongs> exept I just added 300 vias, i bet i'll get raped on drilling fee 2015-01-19T19:14:44 < ReadError> what brand of LEDs has the arrow like a |> 2015-01-19T19:14:47 < ReadError> triangle 2015-01-19T19:14:59 < dongs> 3botom you mean? 2015-01-19T19:15:10 < dongs> in green? 2015-01-19T19:15:12 < ReadError> nah 0603 LED 2015-01-19T19:15:14 < ReadError> green triangle 2015-01-19T19:15:23 < ReadError> i hate that |- tiny shit 2015-01-19T19:15:27 < dongs> yea, you mean on the bototm? to show polarity? 2015-01-19T19:15:30 < ReadError> ya 2015-01-19T19:15:41 < dongs> i duno all mine are everlight and they weer all that, even 0402 2015-01-19T19:15:51 < dongs> i thought that was standard 2015-01-19T19:17:04 < ReadError> ahh kingbright does 2015-01-19T19:17:11 < dongs> ya, them too 2015-01-19T19:17:12 < Simon--> Laurenceb: where you do you init DMA2/3? I only see DMA1 in dma.c 2015-01-19T19:17:26 < dongs> eh? there's on ly one DMA 2015-01-19T19:17:28 < dongs> on F103 2015-01-19T19:18:22 < Laurenceb> i only use dma1 2015-01-19T19:18:26 < Simon--> maybe he means DMA1_Channel2/3 2015-01-19T19:18:43 < dongs> who's he 2015-01-19T19:18:46 < dongs> cuz it was you who asked 2015-01-19T19:18:52 < Laurenceb> me 2015-01-19T19:19:07 < dongs> < so stoned, makes no difference 2015-01-19T19:29:11 < Laurenceb> I'm just stoned on my fail level 2015-01-19T19:29:14 < Laurenceb> its over 9000 2015-01-19T19:31:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1anP4Ly.png when in doubt, just add vias 2015-01-19T19:32:30 < Laurenceb> harder I work, the harder I fail 2015-01-19T19:33:42 < dongs> i better sleep 2015-01-19T19:35:29 * emeb hates footprints that specify oval holes 2015-01-19T19:37:42 * Laurenceb hates everything 2015-01-19T19:39:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-19T19:39:44 < Laurenceb> WTF 2015-01-19T19:39:45 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/commit/71574b5fd4a5ef246a997906fcfcd4d7ae15c450 2015-01-19T19:39:49 < Laurenceb> this fixes it 2015-01-19T19:40:01 < Laurenceb> and its not line 120 2015-01-19T19:41:09 < Laurenceb> i.e. old version sort of works 2015-01-19T19:44:55 < Laurenceb> WTF is the problem? 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2015-01-19T23:53:59 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-19T23:58:54 < bilboquet_> hi, i ve never yet used external flash memory. Is M25P32 a good choice for a new design ? thanks --- Day changed Tue Jan 20 2015 2015-01-20T00:00:16 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-20T00:00:35 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-4-23.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-20T00:00:47 < kakeman> for stm32? 2015-01-20T00:00:57 < bilboquet_> yes 2015-01-20T00:01:20 < bilboquet_> i use an stm32F103 2015-01-20T00:01:23 < kakeman> do you have internal flash? 2015-01-20T00:01:34 < bilboquet_> yes :) 2015-01-20T00:01:36 < kakeman> I guess it's yes 2015-01-20T00:03:32 < kakeman> compare it to this: at45db321 2015-01-20T00:04:24 < bilboquet_> thanks kakeman, i'll do. 2015-01-20T00:05:34 < kakeman> narrow package, lower voltages, faster maximum 2015-01-20T00:05:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-20T00:06:29 < kakeman> oh same package 2015-01-20T00:07:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T00:08:05 < kakeman> but hey, micron one is half the price 2015-01-20T00:08:44 < qyx_> they are all the same 2015-01-20T00:08:48 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-20T00:08:56 < qyx_> at least those on SO8 2015-01-20T00:09:09 < kakeman> does those have even same pin layout? 2015-01-20T00:09:33 < bilboquet_> i thinks micron 'll win so :). Thanks it helped me 2015-01-20T00:09:54 < qyx_> i didn't check at45 but all 25xxx do 2015-01-20T00:10:21 < qyx_> also see spansion parts 2015-01-20T00:10:29 < qyx_> they are cheap too 2015-01-20T00:10:46 < qyx_> and there are multiple versions depending on sector/block size 2015-01-20T00:10:53 < qyx_> some have uniform sectors, some don't 2015-01-20T00:12:20 < kakeman> I think I change to VFQFPN8 from SO8 2015-01-20T00:12:34 < kakeman> SO8 looks just dumb there 2015-01-20T00:18:46 < bilboquet_> I never really welded cms yet. but i's time. Thanks qyx_ i going to look about that 2015-01-20T00:20:02 < bilboquet_> May be i should buy or make reflow oven. 2015-01-20T00:20:53 < bilboquet_> or at least one blowtorch. 2015-01-20T00:22:57 < qyx_> cms? 2015-01-20T00:28:29 < bilboquet_> yes ? i learn on a discovery board and i come from avr (through hole). until now I did my circuits with a cnc machin. 2015-01-20T00:29:48 < bilboquet_> Anyway, If you have any advice for soldering. 2015-01-20T00:30:51 < ds2> you CNC'ed PCBs? 2015-01-20T00:32:04 < bilboquet_> yes, with kicad an pcb2gcode. but for lqfp 0.5mm :( i'can't. 2015-01-20T00:32:47 < bilboquet_> I'm going to call a PCB SHOP 2015-01-20T00:34:38 < bilboquet_> he is better than me if that work ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDkmtq26Hi0 2015-01-20T00:37:25 < kakeman> exposed pad ruined it that 8VDFPN takes actually more area 2015-01-20T00:37:38 < kakeman> than so8 you can run wires under 2015-01-20T00:38:40 < kakeman> I mean 8VFQFPN 2015-01-20T00:38:42 < bilboquet_> oh sorry qyx_ cms = smd in french. 2015-01-20T00:43:08 < bilboquet_> CNC is greet to make quick test or litle project when no space constraint. 2015-01-20T00:45:12 < zyp> CNC is like self etching, just is a bit less tedious and requires more expensive equipment 2015-01-20T00:45:34 < zyp> good for when you need simple stuff fast, pointless for everything else 2015-01-20T00:49:21 < ds2> what kind of machine? 2015-01-20T00:55:07 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d41c17.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T00:58:27 < bilboquet_> it's a cnc 3020. Zyp i hate self etching but with acid i think you can engrave more slim. 2015-01-20T00:59:41 < ds2> what's the top speed on the cnc3020 spindle? 2015-01-20T01:00:02 < bilboquet_> just a link about acid : :http://www.instructables.com/id/Stop-using-Ferric-Chloride-etchant!--A-better-etc/ 2015-01-20T01:01:06 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T01:01:14 < bilboquet_> i have a Kress but the speed is not connected to the command box: i put it near the max for pcb. 2015-01-20T01:03:09 < bilboquet_> this is a new model of my kress : http://www.kress-elektrik.com/Outillage-electroportatif.71+M5cfeba7f8ab.0.html?&tx_commerce_pi1%5BcatUid%5D=17&tx_commerce_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=33 2015-01-20T01:04:09 < KreAture_> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/448269.pdf 2015-01-20T01:04:10 < KreAture_> gaaaah 2015-01-20T01:04:26 * KreAture_ found the schematics for his oleds breakoutboard from Farnell 2015-01-20T01:04:44 < KreAture_> Why do they use the diode and resistor on VSDH? 2015-01-20T01:04:50 < KreAture_> It's not mentioned in datasheets 2015-01-20T01:04:58 < KreAture_> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/302911.pdf 2015-01-20T01:05:02 < KreAture_> growl 2015-01-20T01:08:33 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-20T01:20:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-20T01:27:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T01:31:35 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-01-20T01:31:51 < Laurenceb__> I think my silabs si446x issues are related to TCXO clocking 2015-01-20T01:32:03 < Laurenceb__> that would explain why its erratic 2015-01-20T01:32:43 < emeb> what's wrong with the clock? 2015-01-20T01:32:56 < Laurenceb__> is 1.45v peak to peak 2015-01-20T01:32:58 < Laurenceb__> maybe more 2015-01-20T01:33:09 < Laurenceb__> spec is 600mv to 1.4v peak to peak for TCXO drive 2015-01-20T01:33:16 < emeb> marginal 2015-01-20T01:33:29 < Laurenceb__> theres some spiky ripple on it, my scope is probably taking off the edges 2015-01-20T01:33:40 < emeb> frequency? 2015-01-20T01:33:45 < Laurenceb__> 26Mhz 2015-01-20T01:33:57 < Laurenceb__> but theres ripple in the 500Mhz range 2015-01-20T01:34:15 < emeb> is that just edge ringing? 2015-01-20T01:34:17 < KreAture_> check your load caps 2015-01-20T01:34:19 < Laurenceb__> yes 2015-01-20T01:34:20 < Laurenceb__> oh 2015-01-20T01:34:28 < Laurenceb__> yeah there are load caps on the silabs 2015-01-20T01:34:30 < emeb> can you pad it down or is it a direct connection? 2015-01-20T01:34:43 < Laurenceb__> theres a 10nF cap in the middle 2015-01-20T01:35:01 < emeb> series? 2015-01-20T01:35:03 < Laurenceb__> I'll try swapping it for a few tens of pF 2015-01-20T01:35:05 < Laurenceb__> yeah 2015-01-20T01:35:06 < KreAture_> sounds low 2015-01-20T01:35:12 < KreAture_> oh! 2015-01-20T01:35:13 < KreAture_> nf! 2015-01-20T01:35:15 < KreAture_> dang 2015-01-20T01:35:16 < Laurenceb__> heh 2015-01-20T01:35:17 < emeb> yeah - make it smaller, increase the impedance 2015-01-20T01:35:24 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'll try tomorrow 2015-01-20T01:35:42 * KreAture_ will be getting an "offichial" oled breakout board tomorrow 2015-01-20T01:35:44 < Laurenceb__> with a scope connected to the TCXO it boots much more often 2015-01-20T01:35:50 < KreAture_> maby my effing oleds will work then 2015-01-20T01:36:11 < emeb> Laurenceb__: good sign 2015-01-20T01:36:15 < Laurenceb__> also sometimes it boots ok, but later it goes mental during some of the transactions 2015-01-20T01:36:24 < Laurenceb__> it never goes mental then recovers ok 2015-01-20T01:36:52 < Laurenceb__> and the TCXO modulation tends to shift by a few tens of mv over a few second sfollowing power on 2015-01-20T01:37:13 < Laurenceb__> I'm wondering if thats the problem - its a borderline TCXO signal 2015-01-20T01:37:46 < Laurenceb__> I've got a logic analyser on it now, signals look fine 2015-01-20T01:38:00 < emeb> LA won't tell you diddly about analog of course 2015-01-20T01:38:09 < Laurenceb__> stm32 sends POWER_UP, CTS goes low and never recovers, ~99% of the time 2015-01-20T01:38:38 < Laurenceb__> app notes say CTS goes low for "an extended period" following POWER_UP 2015-01-20T01:38:43 < emeb> if there's nasty edge ringing then it could be generating runt pulses in the clock tree 2015-01-20T01:38:50 < Laurenceb__> so I'm guessing CTS high is the "all ok" signal 2015-01-20T01:39:03 < Laurenceb__> yeah 2015-01-20T01:40:01 < emeb> or if the Silabs part runs of its own bootup osc then waits for the PLL to stabilize it may never come up 2015-01-20T01:40:13 < Laurenceb__> yeah it has its own RC oscillator 2015-01-20T01:40:15 < emeb> if the XO input to the PLL is out of range the PLL won't lock 2015-01-20T01:40:21 < Laurenceb__> ah 2015-01-20T01:40:45 < Laurenceb__> well I stuck the TCXO into a high spec frequency counter and its spot on 26Mhz 2015-01-20T01:40:59 < Laurenceb__> and the POWER_UP command is def setting 26Mhz 2015-01-20T01:41:10 < Laurenceb__> so it _should_ work ok 2015-01-20T01:41:25 < emeb> yeah, but if as you say the levels are out of spec then it could be overdriving the input amp and generating harmonics 2015-01-20T01:41:34 < emeb> which would look out of spec to the PLL 2015-01-20T01:41:46 < Laurenceb__> time to try cap swaps tomorrow :D 2015-01-20T01:41:50 < emeb> yup 2015-01-20T01:43:48 < emeb> those silabs parts look fun. you do your own board or use someone else's breakout? 2015-01-20T01:44:14 < Laurenceb__> my own board 2015-01-20T01:44:54 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/Ydxwgbw.jpg 2015-01-20T01:45:20 < emeb> cute 2015-01-20T01:45:23 < emeb> like the antenna 2015-01-20T01:46:00 < Laurenceb__> I _think_ it needs a ferrite adding to it 2015-01-20T01:46:05 < Laurenceb__> to stop common mode 2015-01-20T01:46:37 < Laurenceb__> I have everything working now... apart from the silabs :P 2015-01-20T01:46:43 < emeb> you solder that by hand, oven or someone else do it? 2015-01-20T01:46:44 < Laurenceb__> the most important bit :D 2015-01-20T01:46:51 < Laurenceb__> I have an oven at work 2015-01-20T01:47:03 < Laurenceb__> and smtstencils.co.uk 2015-01-20T01:47:10 < emeb> kewl 2015-01-20T01:47:31 < emeb> what do you use for layout sw? 2015-01-20T01:48:52 < Laurenceb__> eagle 2015-01-20T01:49:03 < Laurenceb__> theres a µSD card on the other side for flight logging 2015-01-20T01:49:04 < BrainDamage> url is invalid 2015-01-20T01:49:13 < emeb> thought so - the octagonal silk around the headers... 2015-01-20T01:49:30 < emeb> Laurenceb__: is this for balloons? 2015-01-20T01:50:25 < BrainDamage> also, is it shrdlu's business? 2015-01-20T01:50:32 < Laurenceb__> yes, shrdlu 2015-01-20T01:50:45 < Laurenceb__> emeb: yeah, secret balloon project :P 2015-01-20T01:50:53 < BrainDamage> the correct url btw is http://www.smtstencil.co.uk/ 2015-01-20T01:51:03 < Laurenceb__> thats the one 2015-01-20T01:51:12 < Laurenceb__> -s 2015-01-20T01:51:40 < emeb> so what kind of range you get from those silabs transceivers? 2015-01-20T01:51:47 < ds2> yikes 29000RPM for PCB milling :/ 2015-01-20T01:51:54 < Laurenceb__> we use shrdlu for work projects now :P 2015-01-20T01:52:07 < Laurenceb__> emeb: to the horizon usually 2015-01-20T01:52:11 < Laurenceb__> ~800km 2015-01-20T01:52:16 < emeb> wow 2015-01-20T01:52:20 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T01:52:40 < BrainDamage> directive antennas i assume? 2015-01-20T01:52:46 < BrainDamage> for the receiver that is 2015-01-20T01:52:47 < Laurenceb__> yeah, yagi on the ground 2015-01-20T01:53:04 < emeb> but those things put out +20dBm - not bad. 2015-01-20T01:54:46 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-20T01:57:03 < kakeman> should get one A4 of all kinds of parts 2015-01-20T01:58:34 < kakeman> does anyone have nice file for such? 2015-01-20T02:00:00 < kakeman> building my own oven + heat blower 2015-01-20T02:00:07 < kakeman> hell I'm stupid 2015-01-20T02:00:33 < kakeman> just get the money and buy the shiet 2015-01-20T02:00:45 < kakeman> get to the point 2015-01-20T02:02:13 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-20T02:03:55 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-20T02:04:38 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T02:04:46 < kakeman> planing to control speed of fan and power of heater of typical heat pistol 2015-01-20T02:04:56 < kakeman> with triacs maybe 2015-01-20T02:05:31 < kakeman> measure with couple 2015-01-20T02:06:03 < kakeman> then 2kw preheater element under the board 2015-01-20T02:07:17 < kakeman> just optimize the process 2015-01-20T02:08:27 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-20T02:08:33 < kakeman> anyone else with such a project? 2015-01-20T02:14:47 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-20T02:28:34 < emeb> ds2: what you milling PCBs for? 2015-01-20T02:29:02 < ds2> emeb: nothing specific... want something easier then sending it off and paying through the nose for a 5 day turn 2015-01-20T02:29:24 < emeb> Home-made LPKF? 2015-01-20T02:30:17 < ds2> something like that 2015-01-20T02:31:02 < emeb> seeing lots of projects like that out there. 2015-01-20T02:31:16 < ds2> what I really want is a PCB printer that can do 0.5mm pitches 2015-01-20T02:31:31 < emeb> that would be handy 2015-01-20T02:31:38 < ds2> want to play with some fpc designs 2015-01-20T02:34:02 < emeb> Just can't get excited about all the chemicals. 2015-01-20T02:34:06 < kakeman> how about chinese laser? 2015-01-20T02:34:22 < kakeman> ebay "40w chinese laser" 2015-01-20T02:34:42 < kakeman> could you tune that beam so? 2015-01-20T02:42:39 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-20T02:47:25 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-20T02:48:30 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T03:29:18 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T03:34:24 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-20T03:50:32 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-20T03:52:59 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T03:53:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-20T03:56:09 < kakeman> so goog to be back on code 2015-01-20T03:56:41 < kakeman> board layouts are killing me 2015-01-20T03:58:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T03:59:08 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T04:03:29 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-20T04:07:48 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-20T04:20:00 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-20T04:32:00 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T04:33:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-20T04:39:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T04:39:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-20T04:39:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T04:41:39 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@dslb-088-074-131-108.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T04:42:39 < bilboquet_> If someone can tell me what is the U3 component near the usb connector. And does i need it to use cdc acm. thanks. 2015-01-20T04:43:02 < dongs> damn so stoned 2015-01-20T04:43:07 < bilboquet_> olimex board https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/ST/STM32-H405/resources/STM32-H405_sch.pdf 2015-01-20T04:43:07 < dongs> slept in until 11am 2015-01-20T04:43:30 < dongs> bilboquet_: if I had to guess without looking at their nasty eagle schematic its ESD protection diodes 2015-01-20T04:43:40 < dongs> annnd, i looked and they are 2015-01-20T04:44:00 < bilboquet_> thanks very much 2015-01-20T04:44:08 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM114/CL1137/SC1489 2015-01-20T04:44:09 < dongs> stuff like this 2015-01-20T04:45:16 < bilboquet_> yes it's great 2015-01-20T04:45:25 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-144-214.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T04:45:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hy0hjJF.jpg 2015-01-20T04:46:52 < bilboquet_> :) 2015-01-20T04:56:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-20T05:00:05 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d40a3c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T05:01:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d41c17.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T05:02:34 < dongs> R2COM: man, you were so right 2015-01-20T05:02:40 < dongs> i tried to multiroute 12 tracks in altium 2015-01-20T05:02:42 < dongs> it was fucking ridiculous 2015-01-20T05:02:49 < dongs> im talking 2+ seconds to refresh 2015-01-20T05:02:55 < dongs> and it kept sticking them in wrong places 2015-01-20T05:02:59 < dongs> what the fuck 2015-01-20T05:03:26 < kakeman> try eagle 2015-01-20T05:03:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T05:03:41 < dongs> i just gave up trying to multiroute that segment 2015-01-20T05:03:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-20T05:03:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T05:03:48 < dongs> did it in halfs 2015-01-20T05:03:51 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-20T05:03:54 < dongs> haha 2015-01-20T05:04:01 < dongs> i wonder what made it particularly bad with 12 on mine 2015-01-20T05:04:03 < dongs> it was nothing special 2015-01-20T05:04:05 < dongs> 5 mil traces, 5 mil spacing 2015-01-20T05:04:08 < dongs> just a 12bit bus 2015-01-20T05:05:54 < dongs> isnt that super old 2015-01-20T05:05:56 < dongs> did they deliver anything yet 2015-01-20T05:07:25 < dongs> i open page 2015-01-20T05:07:25 < dongs> i see 2015-01-20T05:07:30 < dongs> dumb/dumb + dumb embedded 2015-01-20T05:07:37 < dongs> in pink 2015-01-20T05:07:46 < Getty> hahahaha 2015-01-20T05:08:12 < Getty> its like the double pack of the dumb and dumber series ;) 2015-01-20T05:09:07 < dongs> of course 2015-01-20T05:09:52 < kakeman> they should place pci-e port there 2015-01-20T05:10:03 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T05:10:16 < dongs> yea, dumb 2.0 2015-01-20T05:10:18 < kakeman> pros use pci-e 2015-01-20T05:10:26 < dongs> did you know? every video on their shit is sped up 2015-01-20T05:10:27 < dongs> like 5x 2015-01-20T05:11:55 < kakeman> do yankees make any sensible stuff anymore or is it all just cool stuff? 2015-01-20T05:12:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T05:13:26 < kakeman> hmm.. 2015-01-20T05:13:50 < kakeman> were moonflights sensible? 2015-01-20T05:14:15 < dongs> faked 2015-01-20T05:15:28 < kakeman> if you try to leave earth does spacecraft crash into invisible wall? 2015-01-20T05:16:05 < dongs> wall of text 2015-01-20T05:16:10 < kakeman> just the moment you see moon and stars duct taped into sky 2015-01-20T05:16:55 < Getty> duct tape is the best 2015-01-20T05:17:03 * Getty just fixed his phone with it 2015-01-20T05:19:25 < kakeman> http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/saa/kuopio how is your local weather? 2015-01-20T05:20:39 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-20T05:20:48 < Getty> who doesnt want to be a pirate? 2015-01-20T05:21:36 < kakeman> nope. 2015-01-20T05:21:48 < kakeman> certainly a sailor 2015-01-20T05:22:14 < kakeman> big boat that is actually a house 2015-01-20T05:23:11 < Getty> but if you got that boat, why not play pirate? 2015-01-20T05:23:18 < Getty> come on! 2015-01-20T05:23:37 < kakeman> I sink pirates on my way 2015-01-20T05:25:14 < kakeman> no 2015-01-20T05:25:34 < kakeman> actually I just rob pirates 2015-01-20T05:26:26 < Getty> if you rob pirates..... you are a pirate 2015-01-20T05:26:32 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-20T05:37:32 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T06:00:31 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-20T06:01:30 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T06:17:47 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-20T06:42:27 < dongs> k time to innovate... NES cartridge 2015-01-20T06:51:07 < Getty> ok..... buf[0] = num & 255; num >>= 8; this line kills my system..... ... ok... i should sleep 2015-01-20T06:52:34 < dongs> why are there two statements in that one line 2015-01-20T06:58:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T06:59:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T07:01:23 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T07:07:19 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-20T07:11:57 < Getty> this is btw the function where it happens: https://github.com/vonBienenstock/tinycdbff/blob/master/cdb_make.c#L16-L23 just if someone might be interested ;) the reading works fine just the making doesnt... whatver, now sleep ;) 2015-01-20T07:29:39 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit 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2015-01-20T07:44:28 < qyx_> lines 91, 92, 2K stack space trashed 2015-01-20T07:45:08 < qyx_> and malloc 2015-01-20T07:45:24 < GargantuaSauce> is this even embedded code? i dont think so 2015-01-20T07:45:57 < qyx_> using fatfs, i assume so 2015-01-20T07:46:06 < GargantuaSauce> huh i guess it is. welp 2015-01-20T07:47:27 < GargantuaSauce> something about the way you do control flow is very unpleasant 2015-01-20T07:48:06 < qyx_> i hope that nobody will see my codez 2015-01-20T07:53:20 < GargantuaSauce> also there's thumb2 instructions to do endian swapping, use that instead of badly done bit twiddling 2015-01-20T07:56:40 < GargantuaSauce> which i guess is irrelevant if you're passing a bad pointer into the function anyway 2015-01-20T07:57:52 < GargantuaSauce> this code made me die a little inside 2015-01-20T07:58:00 < GargantuaSauce> your invoice is in the mail 2015-01-20T07:58:42 < GargantuaSauce> think you just fucked up the pointer math 2015-01-20T08:00:49 -!- upgrdman 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2015-01-20T08:07:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T08:09:52 < dongs> wtf is CDB anyway 2015-01-20T08:11:07 < GargantuaSauce> there's a manpage in that repo 2015-01-20T08:12:14 < dongs> i dont read MANpages 2015-01-20T08:12:49 < GargantuaSauce> it's just an immutable db of key value pairs 2015-01-20T08:13:13 < dongs> maybe its faster cuz a bunch of statements are on same line 2015-01-20T08:14:03 < GargantuaSauce> it doesnt look like it was ever intended for embedded use 2015-01-20T08:14:33 < GargantuaSauce> there are python,perl,go bindings available 2015-01-20T08:14:36 < GargantuaSauce> ruby 2015-01-20T08:14:37 < GargantuaSauce> etc 2015-01-20T08:17:10 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ifjjbkhssjbzaabs] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T08:17:15 < jpa-> doesn't look too bad 2015-01-20T08:17:23 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@133.1.248.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-20T08:17:41 -!- talsit 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2015-01-20T08:21:14 < GargantuaSauce> i am quite sure dongs is correct 2015-01-20T08:21:46 < jpa-> probably was faster on some ancient architecture 2015-01-20T08:22:06 < GargantuaSauce> https://github.com/vonBienenstock/tinycdbff/blob/master/cdb_make_put.c#L112 2015-01-20T08:22:08 < GargantuaSauce> dat control flow 2015-01-20T08:22:27 < dongs> seeked 2015-01-20T08:22:44 < dongs> jebus 2015-01-20T08:22:52 < dongs> if youre going to nest that many ifs/fors/etc 2015-01-20T08:22:56 < dongs> you better fucking use {} 2015-01-20T08:23:01 < dongs> generally I don't care for { on single-line ifs 2015-01-20T08:23:04 < dongs> but that shit is hard as fuck to read 2015-01-20T08:23:07 < GargantuaSauce> who gives a shit about that 2015-01-20T08:23:21 < GargantuaSauce> it's the returns, continues, and goto inside ifs and switches in a doubly nested loop 2015-01-20T08:23:23 < GargantuaSauce> that are a problem 2015-01-20T08:23:34 < dongs> well i didnt get that far 2015-01-20T08:23:37 < jpa-> atleast it is indented 2015-01-20T08:23:45 < dongs> jpa-: barely 2015-01-20T08:23:52 < dongs> i didnt see the switch until i saw continues 2015-01-20T08:23:54 < GargantuaSauce> at the style level it is tolerable 2015-01-20T08:25:16 < jpa-> maybe i'm just made "meh" by all the shit code i see daily, but it doesn't seem that terrible 2015-01-20T08:25:41 < jpa-> fatfs is a lot worse IMO 2015-01-20T08:25:59 < jpa-> and still everyone uses it happily because it *works* 2015-01-20T08:26:09 < GargantuaSauce> i guess this just has a different flavour from the shit code i am used to 2015-01-20T08:26:24 < GargantuaSauce> bit nutty. 2015-01-20T08:26:33 < emeb_mac> that 2015-01-20T08:27:16 < GargantuaSauce> ive been looking at it for an hour and don't understand it any more than when i started 2015-01-20T08:27:19 < emeb_mac> not my style, therefor harder to read. not bad, just not easy 2015-01-20T08:28:10 < dongs> jpa, but nobody *reads* fatfs.c 2015-01-20T08:28:14 < jpa-> what i would protest most to is allocating 2kB on stack in cdb_make_finish_internal().. clearly not designed for microcontrollers :P 2015-01-20T08:28:22 < jpa-> dongs: why are people reading this shit? :D 2015-01-20T08:28:29 < dongs> duno some dude pasted it 2015-01-20T08:28:32 < jpa-> i know 2015-01-20T08:28:49 < emeb_mac> lulz 2015-01-20T08:28:58 < emeb_mac> point & laugh 2015-01-20T08:29:59 < jpa-> now, why is F1 nacking the last byte correctly when i read from one I2C device, but acks it when i read from other, locking up the bus 2015-01-20T08:30:42 < GargantuaSauce> i was bitching about that a few months ago and was told i was crazy 2015-01-20T08:30:47 < emeb_mac> cause F1 I2C sux? 2015-01-20T08:30:58 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.57] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T08:31:14 < GargantuaSauce> for some things you have you clear the ack bit a byte early and i never figured out why 2015-01-20T08:31:59 < emeb_mac> can you clear them all early? 2015-01-20T08:32:11 < GargantuaSauce> i am not sure i actually tried that 2015-01-20T08:32:19 < emeb_mac> or do you have to guess & check? :P 2015-01-20T08:32:24 < jpa-> i'm using dma which is supposed to do it automatically 2015-01-20T08:32:53 < dongs> lol i2c with DMA 2015-01-20T08:32:54 < jpa-> but yeah, F1 I2C is the sucks 2015-01-20T08:32:58 < dongs> is there even a point 2015-01-20T08:33:06 < emeb_mac> I was wondering... 2015-01-20T08:33:08 < jpa-> no, absolutely none 2015-01-20T08:33:09 < dongs> you cant transfert more than a couple bytes with that shit before it cries and asks for itnerruption 2015-01-20T08:33:16 < jpa-> except that F1 I2C without DMA is apparently even worse 2015-01-20T08:33:52 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T08:33:54 < jpa-> because then you have to do that "set ACK here but not there and if you are late everything crashes" 2015-01-20T08:34:20 < jpa-> the errata recommends "if using I2C without dma, set I2C interrupts to highest priority of the system 2015-01-20T08:34:20 < GargantuaSauce> well according to the information you've provided, that is the case anyway 2015-01-20T08:34:24 < emeb_mac> bitbang all the things 2015-01-20T08:34:31 < dongs> seriosuly 2015-01-20T08:34:48 < dongs> bitbang i2c takes up almost no space and *works* 2015-01-20T08:34:49 < dongs> lolol 2015-01-20T08:34:56 < jpa-> not a bad idea 2015-01-20T08:35:09 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_i2c_soft.c 2015-01-20T08:35:17 < ReadError> std periph i2c was horribad 2015-01-20T08:35:18 < GargantuaSauce> i read dongs' i2c state machine in baseflight, went "fuck thats seems way more complicated than it has to be" and did it myself 2015-01-20T08:35:23 < GargantuaSauce> and it ended up almost identical 2015-01-20T08:35:26 < GargantuaSauce> i was pissed 2015-01-20T08:35:31 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: by 'dongs' you mean 'laurenceb' 2015-01-20T08:35:35 < emeb_mac> I've done i2c on several architectures - stm32 is the worst 2015-01-20T08:35:36 < dongs> cuz thats where bulk of that shit came form 2015-01-20T08:35:39 < jpa-> luls 2015-01-20T08:36:00 < GargantuaSauce> i see 2015-01-20T08:37:07 < emeb_mac> when microchip PIC seems elegant by comparison you know you've failed 2015-01-20T08:37:21 < dongs> PIC32MZ 2015-01-20T08:37:22 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-20T08:37:23 < dongs> for best i2c 2015-01-20T08:38:11 < jpa-> maybe i'll steal a timer somewhere and DMA bitbang the I2C 2015-01-20T08:38:28 < jpa-> then the next guy will look at it like "whhaaaaat" and replace it all with stdperiph crap again 2015-01-20T08:38:38 < GargantuaSauce> that wont work because clock stretching 2015-01-20T08:38:51 < jpa-> i don't care about clock stretching 2015-01-20T08:38:59 < GargantuaSauce> any slave can do it 2015-01-20T08:39:01 < GargantuaSauce> at any time 2015-01-20T08:39:11 < jpa-> most don't use it 2015-01-20T08:39:13 < jpa-> it's a horrible misfeature 2015-01-20T08:39:33 < dongs> dong 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theres like 5-8mm difference from narrowest to widest 2015-01-20T13:23:36 < dongs> and they're all called "300mil wide" 2015-01-20T13:23:37 < jpa-> i bet some manufacturer was like "oops our chip is 2x larger than the competitor.. let's just call it SO8 and no-one will know it is larger!" 2015-01-20T13:23:39 < dongs> fucking garbage 2015-01-20T13:24:17 < dongs> making NES cartridge, needed 64kbit sram 2015-01-20T13:24:25 < dongs> apparently only like one still in production, some cypress shit 2015-01-20T13:27:05 < jpa-> can't you just put a bigger one? 2015-01-20T13:27:44 < dongs> yeah but there's gonna be a point where > 64kbit will be > $1.50 that 64k sells for 2015-01-20T13:27:50 < dongs> and i dont have time to lookup what that point is 2015-01-20T13:30:15 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T13:45:04 < dongs> With the swift and violent development of economy, the demand and electrical load of electricity consumption increase sharply, the harmonic wave is as influencing the most important index in the electric wire netting at present, it is heavy to produce the impact on electric system more and more. Gather and analyze the harmonic data through network transmission, in order to realize to harmonic effective monitoring, benefit and control the danger to the electronic syst 2015-01-20T13:45:11 < dongs> This text provides Ethernet based on STM32F207 and DM9161A and realizes the scheme specifically, offer the convenient efficient network implement method for electric system equipment. 2015-01-20T13:52:30 -!- phantone [~destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T13:54:01 < dongs> some poeple here had lwip running on STM32Fx right? 2015-01-20T13:54:06 < dongs> whats hte max througput you ever got 2015-01-20T13:54:16 < dongs> im reading st.com forums and some guy says ~20mbit over wire 2015-01-20T13:54:30 < dongs> on F429 2015-01-20T13:54:34 < dongs> that seems prety shit 2015-01-20T13:54:58 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T13:55:18 < dongs> ran some tests again on my product, I can DL (from network to SD) at around 100KB/s and UL (from SD to network) at 550KB/s. Note that in my case the SD is limiting the performances as it is connected using a single wire (D0) for data. Before becoming short of IO, I ran SDCard with 4 data wires, write performance still was 100KB/s, and read reached around 2MB/s (with FTP/TCP/IP overhead it is near to 20Mb/s on the wire). 2015-01-20T13:56:00 < dongs> im also not sure how hes getting 2meg/sec out of 20mbit 2015-01-20T13:57:01 < dongs> i guess he means the .5 is in overhead 2015-01-20T13:57:04 < dongs> must be german or something 2015-01-20T13:59:06 < karlp> what is "swj-ism" ? 2015-01-20T13:59:17 < dongs> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW 2015-01-20T14:00:49 < superbia> A social justice warrior reads an essay about a form of internal misogyny where women and girls insult stereotypical feminine activities and characteristics in order to boost themselves over other women. 2015-01-20T14:01:43 < karlp> ah, sjw, I was searching for swj 2015-01-20T14:02:07 < dongs> haha 2015-01-20T14:02:12 < dongs> swj is serial wire jtag?? 2015-01-20T14:02:24 < dongs> i guess a bit more re levant for this channel 2015-01-20T14:02:33 < karlp> hence my wondering why someone was ragequitting over swj-isms.. 2015-01-20T14:02:38 < dongs> lolol 2015-01-20T14:03:36 < dongs> http://www.amobbs.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&action=printable&tid=3862304 2015-01-20T14:03:38 < dongs> nice! 2015-01-20T14:06:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T14:07:06 < zyp> heh, I like how throughput is going down with larger packet sizes 2015-01-20T14:07:21 < dongs> Packet size 4k bytes: 1511 KByte/s Tx, 3825 KByte/s Rx. 2015-01-20T14:07:25 < dongs> this is pretty good i think 2015-01-20T14:07:27 < dongs> for F107 2015-01-20T14:09:11 < zyp> I bet the MAC is fast enough to do shuffle data at wire speed, so it's probably just software slowing it down 2015-01-20T14:09:29 < dongs> surely 2015-01-20T14:09:37 < dongs> but you cant do much without software 2015-01-20T14:09:59 < dongs> i wonder whose RF chip dildonics is using in that xwifi thing 2015-01-20T14:10:23 < zyp> in the news today: people calling the police to complain that it's snowing 2015-01-20T14:11:29 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-20T14:14:43 < jpa-> bah, now i2c dma is triplicating bytes.. i see C2 02 on line and the 4-byte transfer completes after that with C2 02 02 02 in the buffer 2015-01-20T14:15:24 < dongs> http://shop.leopardimaging.com/product.sc?productId=89&categoryId=16 2015-01-20T14:17:53 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T14:22:30 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T14:34:47 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-20T14:35:06 * Laurenceb has a mysteriously resetting datalogger 2015-01-20T14:35:42 < Laurenceb> anyone know what voltage the RTC will operate down to ? 2015-01-20T14:35:47 < Laurenceb> on F103 2015-01-20T14:35:58 < Laurenceb> or does the brownout thingy reset it? 2015-01-20T14:36:30 < dongs> http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/picviewbig.asp?Image_ID=14907&language= can someone identify what scope is that 2015-01-20T14:36:46 < dongs> looks like that uh... werd brand 2015-01-20T14:36:47 < dongs> weirds 2015-01-20T14:37:08 < dongs> fuck i cant remember 2015-01-20T14:37:16 < dongs> lecroy 2015-01-20T14:37:41 < dongs> hm nope not lecroy 2015-01-20T14:37:42 < Laurenceb> lipo was at 3.9v, device ran for 2 hours... shit i should log lipo voltage whilst these things are running 2015-01-20T14:37:54 < Laurenceb> then two days later it reset.... 2015-01-20T14:38:07 * Laurenceb wonders if its just a loose power connector 2015-01-20T14:47:52 -!- oz4ga [niphredil@tux.nerdheaven.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-20T15:00:42 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T15:10:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T15:17:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T15:17:53 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-20T15:18:26 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T15:18:43 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T15:23:29 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-20T15:26:08 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T15:39:36 < dongs> just made a staggered 0.635mm pitch connector in ~30 seconds in altidong 2015-01-20T15:40:14 < dongs> make one pad, copy. paste array with 1.27mm pitch. select pins 26..50, edit,move by xy. define offset interactively. jl to 0.635,0, enter. done 2015-01-20T15:51:27 < dongs> https://twitter.com/CommissarOfGG/status/557534360996708352 2015-01-20T15:52:37 < ReadError> dongs https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/557188173101424642/A9WVJBxT.png 2015-01-20T15:52:38 < ReadError> lol 2015-01-20T15:53:04 < dongs> ya man 2015-01-20T15:53:16 < dongs> i got a twitter pro to do background/header/avatar for me 2015-01-20T15:53:51 < jpa-> bah who the heck configures a 64kB MEM2MEM DMA transfer as very high priority? 2015-01-20T15:53:59 < dongs> you :D 2015-01-20T15:54:03 < jpa-> wasn't me!! 2015-01-20T15:54:08 < jpa-> pretty much blocks all other DMA on the system 2015-01-20T15:54:10 < dongs> 64k is a lot, 2015-01-20T15:54:11 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-20T15:54:12 < dongs> no kidding 2015-01-20T15:54:18 < dongs> why need move so 2015-01-20T15:55:26 < jpa-> from framebuffer to display 2015-01-20T15:55:46 < jpa-> (double buffered screen drawing, external sram for framebuf) 2015-01-20T15:56:01 < dongs> ooo yea 2015-01-20T15:56:02 < dongs> prooo 2015-01-20T15:56:07 < dongs> you can do mem2mem from fsmc? 2015-01-20T15:56:14 < jpa-> sure 2015-01-20T15:56:17 < dongs> cool 2015-01-20T15:57:02 < jpa-> what is surprising (not really) is that i2c cannot cope with dma being blocked 2015-01-20T15:57:11 < jpa-> because normally it just stops receiving if you don't read DR 2015-01-20T15:57:39 < zyp> it's known that there's potential i2c issues if you can't service it fast enough 2015-01-20T15:57:44 < dongs> yep 2015-01-20T15:57:48 < dongs> even IRQs have to be fairly high priority 2015-01-20T15:57:52 < dongs> or else it chokes 2015-01-20T15:58:18 < jpa-> apparently 2015-01-20T15:58:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-20T16:01:25 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T16:06:41 < PeterM> dongs dingle it looks like a tek dsa 70000 series 2015-01-20T16:10:23 < dongs> thre's no fucking reason astrotorquing group would have that 2015-01-20T16:13:24 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T16:14:26 < PeterM> probably took picture at a university or something by the looks of the background 2015-01-20T16:15:07 < dongs> cuz that board needs a 33ghz scope 2015-01-20T16:15:15 < dongs> looks like a fucking RJ45 breakout 2015-01-20T16:15:19 < PeterM> the board isnt connecteds to anything 2015-01-20T16:15:27 < dongs> right 2015-01-20T16:15:39 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T16:15:44 < PeterM> the scope is showing noise floor 2015-01-20T16:15:47 < PeterM> g fuckign g 2015-01-20T16:16:23 < karlp> fucking arduino pins everywhere 2015-01-20T16:17:27 -!- phantone [~destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T16:17:55 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T16:23:48 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T16:32:51 < dongs> cute. this ancient CF card reader ignores voltage keying and sends card 5V 2015-01-20T16:33:49 < zyp> heh 2015-01-20T16:37:30 < karlp> moah powah, moah sp33d 2015-01-20T16:38:35 < kakeman> coide fucking died and won't load workbench anymore. just when I was getting on 2015-01-20T16:41:36 < Steffanx> Want to talk about it kakeman? 2015-01-20T16:42:41 < kakeman> no 2015-01-20T16:43:05 < kakeman> i restarted it three times and workbench came back 2015-01-20T16:43:38 < dongs> how is your smps doing 2015-01-20T16:43:50 < kakeman> my? 2015-01-20T16:44:00 < kakeman> I don't have smps 2015-01-20T16:44:13 < kakeman> but I have been thinking about it 2015-01-20T16:49:26 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T16:53:37 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-20T16:55:00 < kakeman> universal smps 2015-01-20T16:55:54 < kakeman> input anything, output anything 2015-01-20T16:55:55 < PeterM> kakeman whats this simspons of yours? 2015-01-20T16:58:11 < kakeman> none yet 2015-01-20T16:58:27 < Steffanx> Dont forget the ethernet. 2015-01-20T16:58:46 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-20T16:58:49 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-20T16:58:57 < kakeman> ethernet - check 2015-01-20T17:02:26 < Getty> qyx, GargantuaSauce: that is a patch for tinycdb, tinycdb is like... years old and in every distribution 2015-01-20T17:02:38 < Getty> qyx, GargantuaSauce: i just replaced the calls for FILE to FIL for FatFs 2015-01-20T17:02:58 < Getty> qyx, GargantuaSauce: awkward that like noone knows that CDB exist, did you guys really thought someone made that code from scratch?!?!?!? 2015-01-20T17:03:29 < Getty> and what is the problem with if (fr || bw == 0) return -1; ?` 2015-01-20T17:03:36 < Steffanx> weirder things have happened Getty 2015-01-20T17:04:27 < jpa-> umm.. pretty sure *someone* made it from scratch :) 2015-01-20T17:04:35 < Getty> yeah well, would be nice if people would give one serious hint, instead of using 20 lines to point out things that are irrelevant ;) 2015-01-20T17:04:42 < Getty> jpa: yeah, 10 years ago 2015-01-20T17:05:06 < jpa-> people don't know the actual problem 2015-01-20T17:05:10 < jpa-> we just like to bash code 2015-01-20T17:05:18 < Getty> jpa: i explained it before ;) 2015-01-20T17:05:47 < Getty> someone should now start explaining to me why a bitshifting can crash the CPU, that would be helpful ;) 2015-01-20T17:12:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T17:13:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T17:15:19 < kakeman> why would it? 2015-01-20T17:16:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-20T17:16:43 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-20T17:19:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-20T17:21:46 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-20T17:22:02 < dongs> isnt there a million much better key/value db engine for embedded 2015-01-20T17:23:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T17:24:27 < Getty> dongs: name on 2015-01-20T17:24:28 < Getty> e 2015-01-20T17:24:38 < Getty> kakeman: no idea, but it does? 2015-01-20T17:25:10 < Getty> dongs: CDB is actually MADE for this case, just when CDB was made there was no microcontroller in existence 2015-01-20T17:25:20 < Getty> (or at least not so big that someone would put something like that on it) 2015-01-20T17:26:00 < kakeman> I don't know what happens in bitshift in cortex mcu but I can't see reason why it would crash anything 2015-01-20T17:26:34 < kakeman> it's like if multiply would crash your mcu 2015-01-20T17:27:05 < Getty> kakeman: exactly my thought, so i am standing here, watching this cdb_pack function, which is CLEARLY the moment when it crashs.... and just dont know what todo 2015-01-20T17:27:19 < Getty> sadly gdb doesnt work anymore, it doesnt want to go past the rtc setup when i use it 2015-01-20T17:27:34 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-01-20T17:28:01 < Getty> the code itself around should be failure free, its like a 10 years old lib.... last update 3 years ago, its in every distribution, the main code is fine, even tho i made those changes regarding the fatfs 2015-01-20T17:28:30 < kakeman> can you debug exact values before crash? 2015-01-20T17:28:38 < Getty> yeah well i can print them out 2015-01-20T17:28:44 < Getty> it crashs when num = 0 2015-01-20T17:29:43 < Getty> i dont even know if its supposed to be called with num = 0 but i dont see a reason why my modifications LEADED to that 2015-01-20T17:29:59 < Getty> dongs: still waiting ;) 2015-01-20T17:30:13 < dongs> Getty: im way too busy innovating, no t ime for that 2015-01-20T17:30:25 < Getty> dongs: then dont make such stupid statements ;) 2015-01-20T17:30:33 < dongs> you must be new here 2015-01-20T17:30:37 < Getty> dongs: all other are not capable to run on a microcontroller 2015-01-20T17:30:45 < englishman> dongs: looks like a tek specan 2015-01-20T17:30:48 < Getty> dongs: i am, i am..... dont mess with me ;-) 2015-01-20T17:30:52 < englishman> or mdo 2015-01-20T17:30:55 < dongs> englishman: already named @ PeterM 2015-01-20T17:31:10 < englishman> o 2015-01-20T17:31:23 < PeterM> its ted DSA 70000 seriez brah 2015-01-20T17:31:35 < englishman> ah yes it looks good 2015-01-20T17:31:48 < englishman> knew it was tek from the fucking cd drive, probably runs winxp 2015-01-20T17:31:55 < PeterM> http://www.dragonwake.com/download/tek/DSA71254.JPG 2015-01-20T17:31:59 < PeterM> windiz 2015-01-20T17:32:21 < Getty> dongs: so just to also explain it you: no there are actually not many who dont start with "copy index into memory" ;) 2015-01-20T17:32:21 < PeterM> btw it's DVD u neaderthal scum 2015-01-20T17:32:37 < dongs> oh wow dvd 2015-01-20T17:32:45 < Getty> dongs: CDB is the only key-value database which also allows you to generate a file with less than 1k 2015-01-20T17:32:54 < englishman> is it really 2015-01-20T17:32:58 < englishman> i assumed 2x cd 2015-01-20T17:33:13 < PeterM> dongs such dvd, much pixels wow 2015-01-20T17:33:25 < englishman> Front-panel CD-R/W, DVD-R drive 2015-01-20T17:33:26 < englishman> wow! 2015-01-20T17:33:29 < englishman> high tech 2015-01-20T17:33:37 < dongs> does it let you write captured screenshots to cd-r 2015-01-20T17:33:41 < dongs> in track-at-once mode 2015-01-20T17:34:03 < englishman> i assume itd use the 500gb hd for that 2015-01-20T17:34:17 < dongs> i got my new tek hooked up to lan 2015-01-20T17:34:23 < dongs> so it just saves shit to D: on desktop now 2015-01-20T17:34:26 < dongs> instead of fucking with usb sticks 2015-01-20T17:34:43 < dongs> they should make auto upload to imgur app 2015-01-20T17:34:45 < dongs> for it 2015-01-20T17:34:52 < dongs> + post on twitter 2015-01-20T17:35:57 < englishman> sounds like a top hackaday post covering the new innovations 2015-01-20T17:36:15 < Taxman> ls 2015-01-20T17:36:40 < Taxman> hehe, ww 2015-01-20T17:37:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-20T17:38:03 < BrainDamage> it should also automatically add the arduino compatible logo to every screenshot 2015-01-20T17:38:36 < Getty> why? 2015-01-20T17:38:56 < Getty> "also kids can play with it" buttons? ;) 2015-01-20T17:39:05 < dongs> opensauce hardware logo 2015-01-20T17:39:06 < BrainDamage> for blog cred 2015-01-20T17:39:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T17:46:52 < PeterM> dongs what happened to your iec 60320 c14 arduino shield 2015-01-20T17:48:41 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-20T17:48:47 < Laurenceb> I was lookign for that the other day 2015-01-20T17:50:49 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T17:52:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-20T17:55:26 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-20T17:59:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T18:03:02 < dongs> cyou mean this ? http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png 2015-01-20T18:03:20 < dongs> finally finished mapping CF card connector pins, i hope im not wrong 2015-01-20T18:03:28 < dongs> there's like zero arduino guys doing CF master 2015-01-20T18:03:34 < Laurenceb> yess 2015-01-20T18:03:39 < Laurenceb> now I can troll again 2015-01-20T18:04:50 < dongs> im putting atmega2560 inside CF card 2015-01-20T18:05:03 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T18:08:23 -!- elektrinis [cisrcuit@88-119-29-128.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: pokðt] 2015-01-20T18:09:19 < PeterM> why 2015-01-20T18:14:43 < Getty> PeterM: the question is more like "why not?" 2015-01-20T18:15:25 < PeterM> we keep trying to see if we could, but never bother to ask if we should. Innovating 2015-01-20T18:15:39 < KreAture_> hey guys 2015-01-20T18:15:55 < KreAture_> found the problem with my oled, was the breakout board that somehow has a problem 2015-01-20T18:16:09 < PeterM> hows you fuck it up/ 2015-01-20T18:16:14 < KreAture_> will have to go through it again, pin by pin to see if it has a layout error or if it's a short 2015-01-20T18:16:44 < KreAture_> atleast I get a nice display with the breakout I got today, even if the docs suck 2015-01-20T18:24:56 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: but you said you're checking every pin on the oled connector itself, right? 2015-01-20T18:25:20 < Getty> after having some similar chip in every simcard........ ;) 2015-01-20T18:25:24 < KreAture_> I was 2015-01-20T18:25:36 < KreAture_> but as I said PaulFertser there are two pins with wrong signal level 2015-01-20T18:25:39 < KreAture_> and I suspect they are shorted 2015-01-20T18:26:01 < KreAture_> road was full of snow and under was ice 2015-01-20T18:26:27 < KreAture_> no problem though, I had the correct speed and I had front wheel drive so it pulled the car around and off I went 2015-01-20T18:26:52 < KreAture_> initially the car only completed around 40 degrees of my wanted 90 deg turn even if I was going at a creep 2015-01-20T18:27:23 < KreAture_> there was simply no traction and it was a turn accross oncoming lane in a downwards slope 2015-01-20T18:27:45 < KreAture_> still, I had insane fun 2015-01-20T18:27:46 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-20T18:29:23 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYCnEom12yw 2015-01-20T18:29:27 < KreAture_> This is how it was today 2015-01-20T18:36:46 < KreAture_> am I the only one who loves driving in slippery conditions ? 2015-01-20T18:37:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-20T18:38:02 < KreAture_> oooh! My first sentence is missing: 2015-01-20T18:38:02 < GargantuaSauce> Getty: i told you exactly why it's breaking 2015-01-20T18:38:05 * KreAture_ me had a fun drive today, 2ft of snow during morning hours! 2015-01-20T18:38:08 < KreAture_> there 2015-01-20T18:38:11 < KreAture_> ;) 2015-01-20T18:38:11 < GargantuaSauce> a bad pointer is being passed in to buf 2015-01-20T18:38:15 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T18:38:43 < GargantuaSauce> it was also pointed out that it randomly uses 2k of stack. maaaaybe the two things are related! 2015-01-20T18:38:53 < superbia> KreAture_: winter tires are a premium nowdays.. 2015-01-20T18:38:57 < KreAture_> dongs arduino and CF ? wtf! 2015-01-20T18:39:02 < dongs> i no rite 2015-01-20T18:39:19 < KreAture_> superbia we are used to snow here 2015-01-20T18:39:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T18:39:27 < KreAture_> superbia but today was very slippery 2015-01-20T18:39:52 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-20T18:40:01 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: i see a lot of guessing, but nothing precise 2015-01-20T18:40:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Wu6Sw96.png glorious 2015-01-20T18:40:17 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: i remind again: the base of the code is included in all distributions 2015-01-20T18:40:28 < _Sync__> KreAture_: awd ftw. :3 2015-01-20T18:40:42 < GargantuaSauce> yes to run on platforms with an operating system and four orders of magnitude more memory 2015-01-20T18:40:49 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: you cant just point to some code (which runs on thousands of machines) and say "that must be it", that is not "exactly" 2015-01-20T18:40:50 < KreAture_> _Sync__ I drive an e-up 2015-01-20T18:40:54 < Getty> did you actually informed yourself about it? 2015-01-20T18:41:01 < Getty> or are you just spitting around random sentences that sounds logical to you? 2015-01-20T18:41:02 < GargantuaSauce> maybe you should get your debugger working 2015-01-20T18:41:24 < _Sync__> ew KreAture_ 2015-01-20T18:41:24 < _Sync__> ew. 2015-01-20T18:41:26 < Getty> yeah thats another option ;) but it will not help me much as i know exactly which command break it already i can debug all vars before 2015-01-20T18:41:52 < GargantuaSauce> well have fun with that 2015-01-20T18:42:01 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: you made some "vague" statements about indian problems but nothing specific, that might be a reasoning here 2015-01-20T18:42:23 < KreAture_> _Sync__ for a city car it is great 2015-01-20T18:42:25 < Getty> btw, you should read up about CDB, its actually precise made for exactly this 2015-01-20T18:42:31 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-20T18:42:40 < KreAture_> _Sync__ it pulls well on the slick too 2015-01-20T18:42:55 < _Sync__> not really, I know the people who developed it 2015-01-20T18:42:59 < Getty> cdb_seek and cdb_make are concepts which are never needing more than the size of a key as ram, thats why i specifically used this 2015-01-20T18:43:00 < _Sync__> and it is underpowered 2015-01-20T18:43:00 < dongs> the way sata signals are routed is fucking retarded 2015-01-20T18:43:05 < dongs> err, CF i mean 2015-01-20T18:43:13 < dongs> the pin order makes no snse 2015-01-20T18:43:14 < KreAture_> LOL 2015-01-20T18:43:33 < dongs> 16bit parallel bus is split into 2 parts, across half the cartridge 2015-01-20T18:43:41 < dongs> and not in order 2015-01-20T18:43:42 < KreAture_> _Sync__ the e-up is definately not underpowered 82 hp on 1 metric tonne is fine 2015-01-20T18:43:52 < _Sync__> it is 2015-01-20T18:43:58 < KreAture_> _Sync__ city car, not drag racing 2015-01-20T18:44:00 < dongs> is this #carfags 2015-01-20T18:44:00 < _Sync__> the car is also about 1200kg 2015-01-20T18:44:11 < KreAture_> lol with you in it parhaps 2015-01-20T18:44:18 * KreAture_ rolls off chair 2015-01-20T18:45:07 < _Sync__> curb weight according to EU specs 2015-01-20T18:45:21 < _Sync__> 1214kg 2015-01-20T18:45:39 < _Sync__> which includes 68 kg driver + 7 kg luggage 2015-01-20T18:46:08 < GargantuaSauce> [11:11:19] someone should now start explaining to me why a bitshifting can crash the CPU, that would be helpful ;) 2015-01-20T18:46:19 < GargantuaSauce> the answer is the second parameter is zero or garbage 2015-01-20T18:46:24 < GargantuaSauce> you know how pointers work right?? 2015-01-20T18:47:25 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: you mean more like the pointer points tos omething relevant and gets killed through the action? or do you really think its relevant that the buffer contains .... something before it actually gets sets through this function? 2015-01-20T18:47:44 < KreAture_> _Sync__ exactly, so car does not weight that empty 2015-01-20T18:48:03 < KreAture_> _Sync__ anyways, I am comparing it to other cars with similar weight 2015-01-20T18:48:14 < KreAture_> _Sync__ I find it nice to drive, so that works for me 2015-01-20T18:48:31 < _Sync__> dunno, there are three infront of our institute 2015-01-20T18:48:33 < GargantuaSauce> the former 2015-01-20T18:48:35 < _Sync__> and I find them annoying 2015-01-20T18:48:42 < englishman> haha how could anyone say 85hp is overpowered 2015-01-20T18:48:46 < GargantuaSauce> it could also hold an address that isnt even in ram 2015-01-20T18:48:46 < englishman> thats honda del sol range 2015-01-20T18:48:55 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: that was also my thought at first, butt hen i dont understand why this code runs for other people 2015-01-20T18:49:13 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: there must be some failure/arch-dependent thing before that leaded to the pointer being wrong 2015-01-20T18:49:16 < _Sync__> yeah 70HP/ton is not too much englishman 2015-01-20T18:49:22 < GargantuaSauce> because other people dont run it on microcontrollers 2015-01-20T18:49:34 < GargantuaSauce> are you sure the mallocs are even returning non-zero? 2015-01-20T18:49:57 < Getty> that would be the deeper analyze of today, but so far what i analyzed every malloc was returning something 2015-01-20T18:50:24 < englishman> oh its a vw 2015-01-20T18:50:28 < GargantuaSauce> how big is your stack 2015-01-20T18:50:34 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T18:50:46 < _Sync__> yeah, it's an up with an electric motor shoved in there 2015-01-20T18:50:53 < Getty> you mean my ram? i got 64k and a lot of stuff free 2015-01-20T18:50:57 < GargantuaSauce> no 2015-01-20T18:51:00 < GargantuaSauce> i mean your stack 2015-01-20T18:51:00 < englishman> 2600lbs hmh 2015-01-20T18:51:23 < Getty> what stack you mean? sorry i am confused 2015-01-20T18:51:39 < englishman> _Sync__: what kind of hybrid? 2015-01-20T18:51:46 < _Sync__> no hybrid 2015-01-20T18:51:51 < _Sync__> fully electric 2015-01-20T18:52:03 < englishman> with generator? like chevy volt? 2015-01-20T18:52:31 < _Sync__> nope, purely battery driven 2015-01-20T18:52:47 < _Sync__> but yes it has a MGU so it can recuperate 2015-01-20T18:52:51 < englishman> right 2015-01-20T18:53:07 < englishman> wait whats a mgu 2015-01-20T18:53:18 < englishman> chevy volt is electric drive with gas generator to extend range 2015-01-20T18:53:18 < _Sync__> motor generator unit 2015-01-20T18:53:23 < englishman> ok 2015-01-20T18:53:26 < englishman> diesel? or gas 2015-01-20T18:53:30 < _Sync__> nothing 2015-01-20T18:53:40 < englishman> powered by free energy? 2015-01-20T18:53:41 < dekar> has anyone experience with MDIO? I've implemented it in software and now I see slaves/MMDs cutting the TA (turnaround) short during read accesses 2015-01-20T18:53:41 < _Sync__> don't you understand? 2015-01-20T18:53:48 < _Sync__> battery and electric motor 2015-01-20T18:53:48 < englishman> clearly not 2015-01-20T18:53:50 < _Sync__> nothing else 2015-01-20T18:53:56 < _Sync__> an *electric* car 2015-01-20T18:54:16 < englishman> regernerative braking is pretty standard on that type 2015-01-20T18:54:21 < _Sync__> yes it is 2015-01-20T18:54:40 < englishman> no doubt perceived power is due to very low end torquiness 2015-01-20T18:54:45 < superbia> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ 2015-01-20T18:54:48 < _Sync__> but in the early days that was an advanced feature 2015-01-20T18:55:33 < _Sync__> yup it's not bad out of the hole 2015-01-20T18:55:44 < _Sync__> but anything after that is awful 2015-01-20T18:55:59 < englishman> which markets is it available? and whats range like 2015-01-20T18:56:10 < englishman> it solves the problem of commuting and burning fuel tho 2015-01-20T18:56:20 < englishman> which imo is pretty dumb 2015-01-20T18:58:02 < englishman> Range, NEDC cycle (miles) 93 2015-01-20T18:58:04 < englishman> thats plenty 2015-01-20T18:58:09 < _Sync__> they claim around 160km range but in reality it is more like 100km 2015-01-20T18:58:13 < _Sync__> at least when I drive 2015-01-20T18:58:46 < englishman> yeah that's probably single sustained efficient speed with a/c turned off 2015-01-20T18:58:53 < englishman> downhill with a tailwind 2015-01-20T18:59:31 < _Sync__> it's mostly standstill takeoffs that eat energy 2015-01-20T18:59:34 < englishman> if you're driving 100km to work, there's problems 2015-01-20T18:59:42 < dongs> get a new job 2015-01-20T18:59:54 < dongs> this jap i know used to take 1hr of train daily to work 2015-01-20T19:00:03 < dongs> something like 80km 2015-01-20T19:02:40 < englishman> A safe, powerful and tech savy vehicle that charges faster than a smartphone, 2015-01-20T19:02:45 < englishman> i certainly hope so 2015-01-20T19:02:50 < englishman> 5W charging would take a while 2015-01-20T19:02:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T19:03:10 < englishman> also nice typo in vw copy 2015-01-20T19:06:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-20T19:06:40 < dekar> I feel like the red area is wrong, yet it gets me the expected values: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/mdio.png 2015-01-20T19:09:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T19:11:37 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T19:12:37 < KreAture_> I never said it was overpowered, I'd love more, but I think it is enough for daily city use 2015-01-20T19:13:02 < KreAture_> hell I can't even go abowe 49 mph legally here 2015-01-20T19:14:53 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T19:15:22 < qyx_> how much is 49mph in normal units? 2015-01-20T19:15:42 < qyx_> 78kmh, quite slow 2015-01-20T19:16:43 < karlp> Getty: you know how I've complained about your claims and statements only being understood by you, and not clear enough for anyone else? You're going to get more of that here :) 2015-01-20T19:17:50 < qyx_> ou, cdb again? 2015-01-20T19:23:27 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-20T19:26:12 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T19:28:24 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0af27b.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T19:39:33 < Getty> karlp: nah, also one day they will learn to ask a bit more the questions needed... like i never defined any stack size or heap size, i use newlib, so i just dont know (if he meant that) 2015-01-20T19:39:51 < Getty> karlp: for me the problem is clear: i dont know which part i need to tell to give the complete picture ;) 2015-01-20T19:41:07 < karlp> well, in case you haven't gotten the picture yet, if you believe the problem is clear, but you're still getting crashes with bitshifting, claiming that you know where the problem is, and taht everyone else is wrong for not using cdb isn't going to win friends and influence people :) 2015-01-20T19:42:08 < Getty> karlp: the problem is thta people say "its made for x86 thtas why it cant be used on microcontroller" which is just wild guessing and not actually true 2015-01-20T19:42:27 < Getty> karlp: there are ports of cdb to other microcontroller there are rewrites of it, i am just one of those guys using one lib 2015-01-20T19:42:57 < karlp> I think you hear things that you think people say, without reading what they actually say.... 2015-01-20T19:42:59 < Getty> karlp: so what i just miss is understandment, like noone pointed me specific to this problem about indian, i dont know what they talk about where an indian (hardware dependent problem) can influence that 2015-01-20T19:43:33 < Getty> karlp: oh i saw some hints, yes, indian conversion problems, but where are those? i mean where can those come up at all? its like you know they think i CAN understand what they say 2015-01-20T19:44:13 < Getty> i am still learning ;) slowly 2015-01-20T19:44:18 < Getty> and its a pain in the ass 2015-01-20T19:44:33 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-20T19:45:45 < Getty> karlp: but its no problem, i will do now more debugging, i learned that i just drop it in the channel, and then debug myself further, i dont expect an answer for everything, i know that something can be pretty vague ;) 2015-01-20T19:46:33 < Getty> i will now restructure the code as i also find it ugly, and spice it with more debugging, and we will see :) i should also find out why the gdb usage is crashing at rtc_setup() 2015-01-20T19:47:39 < karlp> nah, that's probably completely irrelevant.... 2015-01-20T19:52:53 < Getty> the code structure? 2015-01-20T19:54:51 < Getty> btw, is it thought stupid, if i just do a malloc/free combination before all that to find out how much ram i have? 2015-01-20T19:55:02 < Getty> like malloc 1K blocks till i cant and then free them all again? 2015-01-20T19:55:16 < Getty> is that a good way to find out about whats left? 2015-01-20T19:58:58 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T20:10:42 < Getty> yeah it is the memory probably! i really need to fizzle with that, or not use the cdb make stuff 2015-01-20T20:16:24 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ifjjbkhssjbzaabs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-20T20:27:39 < Getty> interesting, now when i tested around malloc actually crashed the system, now i freed some memory, made some things smaller, and it actually works out all of it 2015-01-20T20:29:20 -!- upgrdman [42a6d414@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T20:30:24 < upgrdman> planning to buy some basic decoupling caps. ~10uF. seems like ceramic would be the best choice? is this a decent option: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata-Electronics/GRM219R61E106KA12D/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvsSlwiRhF8qn%2fMY8sF09EM2nCL%2faf08gOf32uftSYZnQ%3d%3d 0805, 10uF, 25V, $0.07 each if you buy 100... 2015-01-20T20:31:06 < upgrdman> x5r is ok for decoupling, right? 2015-01-20T20:32:32 < upgrdman> shit, those aren't in stock. 2015-01-20T20:33:09 < upgrdman> 1206 35v version is in stock though http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata-Electronics/GRM319R6YA106KA12D/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvsSlwiRhF8qljTNKshxdOIMm354Q%252bo24s%3d 2015-01-20T20:35:30 < zyp> decoupling what? 2015-01-20T20:35:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-20T20:36:38 < zyp> I regard 100nF as basic decoupling caps 2015-01-20T20:38:28 < upgrdman> well like input to v reg 2015-01-20T20:38:43 < upgrdman> also, iirc my mems gyro and accel each want 10uF 2015-01-20T20:39:17 < upgrdman> but ya, i have a reel of 100nF for sprinkling all over the place 2015-01-20T20:39:34 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T20:41:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-20T20:41:58 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-20T20:43:08 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-20T20:43:24 < jpa-> hmm -25 C again tomorrow morning.. maybe i'll have to put on långa kalsonger 2015-01-20T20:44:17 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T20:52:44 < Steffanx> wrong channel jpa- .. this is not Tectu-qeury 2015-01-20T20:52:47 < Steffanx> *query 2015-01-20T20:53:28 -!- upgrdman [42a6d414@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-01-20T20:53:42 < superbia> qeureka 2015-01-20T20:53:48 < superbia> how are you Steffanx 2015-01-20T20:53:58 < Steffanx> i miss my friend ranewen. 2015-01-20T20:54:04 < superbia> me2 2015-01-20T20:54:21 < superbia> so.. any new projects from the office of Steffanx? 2015-01-20T20:54:22 < jpa-> Steffanx: but tectupie is not here 2015-01-20T20:54:33 < jpa-> Steffanx: and i think you'll ignore me if i start massaging you 2015-01-20T20:54:39 < jpa-> *messaging 2015-01-20T20:55:01 < Steffanx> no i only do that with superbia 2015-01-20T20:55:15 < superbia> sorry jpa- :( 2015-01-20T20:55:39 < jpa-> no problem, i recognize when i've lost 2015-01-20T20:55:55 < jpa-> atleast i'll always have tectu 2015-01-20T20:56:15 < Steffanx> i meant the ignoring part, nog the massaging. 2015-01-20T20:56:20 < Steffanx> *not 2015-01-20T20:56:32 < superbia> dont pretend like you didnt enjoy it Steffanx 2015-01-20T20:56:49 < jpa-> wait, Steffanx does ignoring also? 2015-01-20T20:56:51 < BrainDamage> do you like have cold weather competitions with him since you mentioned the temperature? 2015-01-20T20:56:52 < jpa-> i thought i was the only one 2015-01-20T20:57:17 < jpa-> most of the hilights on this channel are superbiatching about how the logs are hard to read because of my ignores 2015-01-20T20:57:34 < Steffanx> you only ignore R2COM not? 2015-01-20T20:57:43 < jpa-> and beaky 2015-01-20T20:58:01 < BrainDamage> wait, beaky is still around? 2015-01-20T20:58:08 < Steffanx> he was, 6 days ago 2015-01-20T20:58:08 < jpa-> no idea 2015-01-20T21:04:10 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-20T21:04:39 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T21:04:48 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T21:30:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-20T21:31:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T21:35:35 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T21:46:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T21:51:58 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T21:53:32 -!- superbia is now known as svperbia 2015-01-20T21:53:52 -!- svperbia is now known as superbia 2015-01-20T22:04:01 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-20T22:14:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:a3c:0:5589:fb2:bc16:a0fa] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T22:19:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-20T22:21:23 < kakeman> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=conan+jordan+schlansky 2015-01-20T22:21:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T22:26:54 < Tectu> has anybody here ever worked with keil uVision stuff? 2015-01-20T22:27:01 < Tectu> how on earth can one add subdirectories (groups?) 2015-01-20T22:27:05 < Tectu> when I have a project structure (external library) like this: module_a/foo.h, module_b/foo.h, module_c/foo.h and so on, how on earth does he understand that when he puts everything into the same level directory? 2015-01-20T22:27:37 < zyp> stop naming all your headers foo.h 2015-01-20T22:28:16 < kakeman> asd.h? 2015-01-20T22:28:46 < Tectu> zyp, too bad if it's a 3rd party library 2015-01-20T22:28:56 < Tectu> is there really no solution? 2015-01-20T22:29:22 < zyp> you can't expect a serious answer from me, I have no experience with uvision 2015-01-20T22:29:31 < Steffanx> wait for dongs to wake up 2015-01-20T22:29:33 < zyp> ask dongs when he wakes up 2015-01-20T22:30:05 < Tectu> when is that - usually? 2015-01-20T22:30:44 < zyp> well, it's 05:30 in jp right now 2015-01-20T22:32:15 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-20T22:34:04 < Tectu> I read "it's 05:30 in jpa- right now" 2015-01-20T22:35:18 < Steffanx> Why uvision Tectu? 2015-01-20T22:35:26 < superbia> wanna be pro 2015-01-20T22:35:52 < Tectu> pro mode activated 2015-01-20T22:36:13 < Steffanx> you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wSr7h_pjxs ? 2015-01-20T22:36:41 < Tectu> I don't know, I stopped clicking random links in ##stm32 since Laurenceb 2015-01-20T22:37:17 < Steffanx> this is not random 2015-01-20T22:41:11 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-20T22:41:42 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T22:42:22 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-20T22:43:58 < Tectu> dongs, wake up 2015-01-20T22:44:04 < Tectu> knock knock 2015-01-20T22:51:04 < kakeman> should make code that checks if any gpio is short circuited one by time 2015-01-20T22:52:09 < scrts> and the reason for that is? 2015-01-20T22:53:36 < kakeman> see if small mcu packs have solder bridges mainly 2015-01-20T22:55:26 < scrts> what mcu in particular? 2015-01-20T22:57:19 < kakeman> universally but meh 2015-01-20T22:57:26 < kakeman> no too much of need 2015-01-20T22:57:37 < scrts> well, if it has JTAG, you can do this test using JTAG only 2015-01-20T22:57:53 < kakeman> :O me stupid 2015-01-20T22:58:27 < scrts> OTOH if the footprint is made well and the PCB quality is good, you will have solder bridges extremely rarely 2015-01-20T22:58:46 < kakeman> I was thinking if there was something that does the thing 2015-01-20T22:58:47 < scrts> the bigger problem is not having enough solder and the pin becomes flying. 2015-01-20T22:58:54 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-20T22:58:57 < scrts> you can access every pin using JTAG 2015-01-20T22:59:00 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-117.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T22:59:07 < scrts> the main purpose of JTAG was that 2015-01-20T22:59:09 < scrts> I think 2015-01-20T22:59:10 < scrts> :) 2015-01-20T22:59:46 < scrts> you can also track current draw and set pin to output using jtag to see what's happening 2015-01-20T23:01:01 < scrts> we also test all small value resistors using this method: put two test points in series on each side of the resistor. One pair of jigs will put current through the resistor, another pair will measure voltage. This will prove the value of the resistor and check if it's ok 2015-01-20T23:01:08 < PaulFertser> scrts: not every 2015-01-20T23:01:27 < kakeman> once vias under fpga got solder on them 2015-01-20T23:01:32 < kakeman> regulator vias 2015-01-20T23:01:45 < kakeman> fucked it up 2015-01-20T23:02:27 < kakeman> whole chip became floating 2015-01-20T23:02:50 < zyp> I just blackbox-test boards 2015-01-20T23:03:02 < kakeman> 4levels of ground no effect of using soldering iron 2015-01-20T23:03:23 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/JAkIb.JPG <- repurposed one board into a testing board, with all inputs and outputs swapped in code 2015-01-20T23:03:24 < kakeman> then I destroyed fpga pads trying to bind it down 2015-01-20T23:04:43 < zyp> I've found one cracked resistor and a couple of PTH bridges with that setup 2015-01-20T23:05:11 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-20T23:05:32 < Tectu> that's very fancy / interesting 2015-01-20T23:05:38 < zyp> I've went through almost 500 boards like that, and I don't think I've found a single bridge on the MCU yet 2015-01-20T23:05:42 < kakeman> that's pro way 2015-01-20T23:05:57 < kakeman> what are those? 2015-01-20T23:05:59 < zyp> the only MCU error I've found was one that was mounted 180 degrees rotated 2015-01-20T23:06:17 < zyp> usb hid adapters for arcade game controllers 2015-01-20T23:06:30 < Tectu> aka dance dance revolution cheat controller 2015-01-20T23:06:32 < kakeman> you get those from factory? 2015-01-20T23:06:39 < zyp> yes 2015-01-20T23:07:15 < Tectu> zyp, did you tell them about swapped MCU? 2015-01-20T23:07:16 < kakeman> used to play stepmania with that foam thing 2015-01-20T23:07:20 < zyp> Tectu, a friend of mine actually stuffed a couple of those into real DDR pads 2015-01-20T23:07:33 < Tectu> zyp, I know, I've seen the dirty pictures 2015-01-20T23:08:01 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/7vvBf.jpg <- not what it's designed for, but it worked :p 2015-01-20T23:18:15 < kakeman> it needs cleaning 2015-01-20T23:21:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-20T23:24:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-20T23:27:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-20T23:34:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-20T23:35:46 < Tectu> zyp, when does dongs usually show up in our time zone? 2015-01-20T23:35:56 < Steffanx> 1-2 2015-01-20T23:36:02 < Steffanx> oh, im not zyp sorry. 2015-01-20T23:37:24 < zyp> I'm not keeping track of that 2015-01-20T23:37:29 < Steffanx> Just add a highlight to "sup stoners", "sup innovators" or just "sup *" and you will know. 2015-01-20T23:40:49 < Tectu> zyp, you're useless 2015-01-20T23:41:08 < zyp> cool 2015-01-20T23:41:58 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-20T23:42:41 < BrainDamage> or blog 2015-01-20T23:43:03 < BrainDamage> also, more like 2015-01-20T23:51:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Day changed Wed Jan 21 2015 2015-01-21T00:02:45 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwjilzfczwournow] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T00:05:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T00:06:16 < Tectu> dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs 2015-01-21T00:06:27 < Tectu> sup bloggerz, smoking w33d? 2015-01-21T00:06:32 < Tectu> affro dongs still asleep? 2015-01-21T00:07:03 -!- theAdib [~theadib@bband-dyn32.95-103-11.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T00:19:39 < Laurenceb__> dreaming of GNAA 2015-01-21T00:28:43 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0af27b.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-21T00:35:15 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-21T00:36:31 < gxti> so needy 2015-01-21T00:37:39 < englishman> whats innovating fellow innovators 2015-01-21T00:39:26 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-117.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-21T00:40:52 < Laurenceb__> im failing at si446x 2015-01-21T00:42:25 < englishman> what up 2015-01-21T00:42:33 < englishman> do you at least have spi working 2015-01-21T00:44:09 < kakeman> what is the most efficient way to do 2^X on cortex-M3 ? 2015-01-21T00:44:33 < kakeman> is there one instruction power of function? 2015-01-21T00:45:04 < kakeman> or should I go with 2instruction bitshifting? 2015-01-21T00:45:59 < kakeman> it may take only one idk. 2015-01-21T00:48:03 < kakeman> googolin it 2015-01-21T00:48:13 < zyp> 2**x is equivalent to 1 << x 2015-01-21T00:48:28 < zyp> for x >= 0 2015-01-21T00:49:02 < kakeman> by compiler? 2015-01-21T00:49:18 < zyp> huh? 2015-01-21T00:49:39 < kakeman> does it compile it all the same output? 2015-01-21T00:49:48 < zyp> compile what? 2015-01-21T00:50:04 < zyp> there's no ** operator in C/C++ 2015-01-21T00:50:26 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-21T00:50:27 < zyp> I just wrote that since that's the normal convention to distinguish power from xor 2015-01-21T00:50:35 < kakeman> in math something 2015-01-21T00:50:39 < Laurenceb__> spi works, and si446x works.. sometimes 2015-01-21T00:50:42 < kakeman> is pow but 2015-01-21T00:50:50 < zyp> that would be silly 2015-01-21T00:50:51 < Laurenceb__> ah well - more fun tomorrow 2015-01-21T00:52:34 < zyp> pow probably looks something like this: 2015-01-21T00:52:44 < kakeman> should download cortex-m3 reference and see if there is something fun operations 2015-01-21T00:53:40 < zyp> pow(x, y) { r = 1; while(y) {if(x & 1) { r *= x; } x *= x; y >>= 1; } return r; } 2015-01-21T00:54:03 < zyp> i.e. a bunch of multiplications and shit 2015-01-21T00:54:56 < kakeman> nasty 2015-01-21T00:54:58 < zyp> 2**n is a special case, and I wouldn't expect a compiler optimization to be able to recognize that complex of a pattern 2015-01-21T00:55:27 < zyp> so just write 1< if you don't understand why those are equivalent, consider this: 2015-01-21T00:56:25 < kakeman> I understand 2015-01-21T00:56:40 < zyp> a decimal digit-shift of a number is equivalent to x * 10**n 2015-01-21T00:56:54 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-21T00:57:01 < zyp> which means that a bitshift is equivalent to x * 2**n 2015-01-21T00:57:18 < zyp> and with x being 1, you get 1 << n == 2**n 2015-01-21T00:57:27 < kakeman> that's smart 2015-01-21T01:00:09 -!- theAdib [~theadib@bband-dyn32.95-103-11.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-21T01:06:07 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.48.131] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T01:06:07 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.48.131] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-21T01:06:07 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T01:09:53 < kakeman> my operator doesn't like torrenting over 3G 2015-01-21T01:10:57 < kakeman> or actually excess traffic 2015-01-21T01:11:02 < Steffanx> neither do you at the end of the month when you find the bill in your mailbox 2015-01-21T01:11:31 < kakeman> download some gigabytes and connection starts to jam 2015-01-21T01:19:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T01:23:34 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T01:23:46 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.102] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T01:23:51 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.102] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-21T01:23:51 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T01:25:16 < kakeman> it's nothing but operator not wanting to deliver what they say they are selling 2015-01-21T01:26:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T01:26:50 < kakeman> but you kind of assume that with 9eur month price 2015-01-21T01:30:52 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-21T01:31:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-21T01:41:08 < GargantuaSauce> i do sometimes wonder what would happen if they weren't allowed to oversell 2015-01-21T01:44:45 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-21T01:47:05 < zyp> it wouldn't make sense 2015-01-21T01:47:31 < jadew> kakeman, are you sure you're not simply hitting the download limit and your bandwith gets reduced? 2015-01-21T01:48:47 < jadew> I have free mobile internet and that's how it works, I get like 5 Gb of traffic at about 7 Mbps or something like that and everything after 5 Gb drops to 256 kbps or something like that 2015-01-21T01:58:29 < dongs> supdongs 2015-01-21T01:58:40 < dongs> 05:43 < Tectu> dongs, wake up 2015-01-21T01:58:43 < dongs> doesnt work at 6am 2015-01-21T01:59:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:a3c:0:5589:fb2:bc16:a0fa] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-21T01:59:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d40a3c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T02:03:50 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/36BWAca.jpg 2015-01-21T02:08:13 < dekar> is that a japanese thing? 2015-01-21T02:09:44 < dekar> I heard in China they have black person toothpaste 2015-01-21T02:10:03 < dekar> https://newglobalperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/img_2718.jpg 2015-01-21T02:14:57 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T02:15:43 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-21T02:17:30 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-21T02:18:56 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T02:20:02 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T02:27:36 < dongs> lols 2015-01-21T02:31:31 < zyp> you better call Tectu and wake him up, he really wanted to talk to you 2015-01-21T02:31:51 < zyp> apparently to ask how to make subdirs in keil 2015-01-21T02:32:04 < dongs> filters? 2015-01-21T02:32:10 < zyp> idk 2015-01-21T02:32:15 < dongs> heh heh 2015-01-21T02:45:45 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T02:53:32 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-21T03:22:52 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-21T03:22:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T03:23:22 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-21T03:24:58 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T03:25:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T03:35:06 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-21T03:35:32 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T03:48:12 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KQPPG30 do i want this 2015-01-21T03:50:49 < Getty> dongs: i am confused..... thats not really a question here......... ;) 2015-01-21T03:50:59 < dongs> yes, it is 2015-01-21T03:51:07 < Getty> dongs: why you wouldnt want this???? 2015-01-21T03:51:15 < dongs> thats what im sayin 2015-01-21T03:52:07 < Getty> i saw a video of a gopro attached to a RC car, that was really awesome footage 2015-01-21T03:56:17 < dongs> < dekar> I feel like the red area is wrong, yet it gets me the expected values: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/mdio.png 2015-01-21T03:56:20 < dongs> nice screenshot 2015-01-21T03:56:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T03:56:59 < dongs> is that made by scope protocol analyzer module 2015-01-21T03:57:02 < dongs> or did you draw the stuff 2015-01-21T04:02:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T04:05:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-21T04:16:17 < dongs> we are the supplier of SIEMENS for 7 years,so our quality must be will good. 2015-01-21T04:16:17 < dongs> Kindly check if there is any chance we can build business relation, welcome to contact with me freely. 2015-01-21T04:18:18 < dongs> replying with: But can you make silkscreen that looks like this?http://i.imgur.com/jQa8wh8.jpg 2015-01-21T04:19:56 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-182-24.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T04:20:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T04:21:11 < dongs> This is a value added item which we custom assemble or package. In most instances we can assemble or package this item specifically for your order and ship it the same day. If you place this item on your order it will show up backordered. We will contact you if we are unable to fulfill your order. 2015-01-21T04:30:05 < GargantuaSauce> you didn't tell them you wanted their siemens? 2015-01-21T04:35:06 < dongs> need like 1.5mm tall FFC/FPC connector hmm 2015-01-21T04:35:33 < dongs> wonder if I should go super ghetto and just solder to pads on PCB 2015-01-21T04:35:37 < dongs> like those oled dispaly dudes do 2015-01-21T04:38:37 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T04:49:06 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-21T05:00:13 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4028c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T05:00:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d40a3c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-21T05:05:58 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4028c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-21T05:15:33 < dongs> haw haw 2015-01-21T05:15:55 < dongs> china: yours is litho process, ours is screen printing, we cna't do it as nice as you 2015-01-21T05:31:48 < dongs> name: jucy zhao 2015-01-21T05:32:00 < dongs> sounds kinky 2015-01-21T05:36:50 < englishman> Getty: whose video was it 2015-01-21T05:36:58 < englishman> fpv trucks are kinda fun 2015-01-21T05:37:33 < Getty> englishman: from an englishman ;) but it i doubt you know him, was not a viral video, want me to seek it out again? 2015-01-21T05:37:45 < englishman> sure, always fun 2015-01-21T05:38:05 < PeterM> i tried to FPV my losi 5ivet, it made me feel sick 2015-01-21T05:38:45 < englishman> yeah it needs to be really stable 2015-01-21T05:38:53 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/lcSt0vo.jpg 2015-01-21T05:38:54 < englishman> mine 2015-01-21T05:39:40 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vptealjzmlnatawu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T05:41:39 < englishman> used to be like this http://i.imgur.com/Lnpi7yF.jpg 2015-01-21T05:42:11 < Getty> http://vimeo.com/hexten/videos here are several now by him 2015-01-21T05:42:19 < Getty> scroll a bit down then you see them directly 2015-01-21T05:44:00 < englishman> looks fun 2015-01-21T05:44:01 < PeterM> vimeo loads like dick for evewry one i know in australi 2015-01-21T05:44:10 < PeterM> is it shit for you too? 2015-01-21T05:44:32 < Getty> this is btw really cool fun he made http://vimeo.com/97972562 2015-01-21T05:44:33 < englishman> vimeo is always and has always been shit 2015-01-21T05:45:04 < Getty> agree 2015-01-21T05:45:08 < Getty> i dont know why it exist 2015-01-21T05:45:47 < PeterM> good, i thought it was just shit here 2015-01-21T05:45:47 < englishman> blgimbals are mega cheap for about 2? years now 2015-01-21T05:45:51 < Getty> the people who created vimeo were like "lets make something like youtube, but totally horrible.... and lets call it the future of video! " 2015-01-21T05:45:52 < englishman> since china started making them 2015-01-21T05:46:11 < englishman> and dont forget to charge money for uploads and make uploads super slow otherwise 2015-01-21T05:46:23 < englishman> also dont tell anyone your video is in a wrong format until after the 1hr upload wait 2015-01-21T05:46:49 < Getty> when i first uploaded a video to youtube i was blown away..... 2015-01-21T05:47:16 < Getty> i never expected such a powerful interface 2015-01-21T05:47:36 < Getty> uploaded this monster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEiJCpTDMw 2015-01-21T05:49:25 < PeterM> almost as good as 4 hours of sitting and smiling 2015-01-21T06:02:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T06:04:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T06:09:03 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fohenbsqftclatyr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T06:13:13 < dongs> heh 2015-01-21T06:13:38 < dongs> < PeterM> vimeo loads like dick for evewry one i know in australi 2015-01-21T06:13:40 < dongs> vimeo is just shit 2015-01-21T06:13:44 < dongs> only artsy faggots use that shit 2015-01-21T06:13:53 < dongs> cuz tehy can just hit pause, then take a huge bonghit 2015-01-21T06:13:55 < dongs> and come back in liek 15 mins 2015-01-21T06:13:57 < dongs> when its loaded 2015-01-21T06:16:37 < Getty> ey 2015-01-21T06:16:59 < Getty> the weed smokers doesnt want to get associated with vimeo watchers ;) 2015-01-21T06:17:08 < Getty> that discriminating 2015-01-21T06:20:26 < englishman> how's the german smoke 2015-01-21T06:21:58 < kakeman> what is not shiet 2015-01-21T06:27:04 < Getty> englishman: always good 2015-01-21T06:29:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T06:32:49 < englishman> dongs: ooh the zano twatter trolling has started 2015-01-21T06:33:24 < englishman> but it doesnt show up anywhere 2015-01-21T06:33:30 < englishman> goddamn twitter is so difficult to use 2015-01-21T06:34:28 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T06:34:41 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T06:52:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T06:53:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-21T06:57:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-21T06:58:58 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T07:01:37 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251201165.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T07:07:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-27-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T07:10:41 < dongs> yea man 2015-01-21T07:10:47 < dongs> its fucking useless 2015-01-21T07:10:52 < dongs> it doesnt even show up in @FlyZano page?!?!?? 2015-01-21T07:11:00 < dongs> i thought all the twats when you @fagot automatically went there 2015-01-21T07:11:02 < dongs> fucking rage 2015-01-21T07:12:04 < dongs> Regarding motor reversal. Your quite right, we can perform a proper flip. Some UAV's have a similar function but they gain altitude and then flip but rotate around a axis that is some distance from the UAV. With reversible motors we could flip front-back or left-right of even diagonals with the axis around the dead centre of Zano. 2015-01-21T07:15:05 < PeterM> 'cept you gotta deal with a little sonmethign called momentum 2015-01-21T07:15:30 < PeterM> reversing a motor from one direction allthe way the other is pretty hard 2015-01-21T07:16:30 < englishman> oh man those little brushed shits have no momentum 2015-01-21T07:16:56 < englishman> even modern brushless controllers support reversal 2015-01-21T07:17:11 < englishman> but i doubt itd actuate fast enough to be useful in a flip, that much is true 2015-01-21T07:17:21 < englishman> also, need bidirectional props which SUCK 2015-01-21T07:17:43 < englishman> symmetric airfoil for prop = lol 2015-01-21T07:18:08 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-159-210.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-21T07:18:09 < englishman> not even up/down symmetric but fwd/back symmetric 2015-01-21T07:18:34 < GargantuaSauce> i bet they are developing all their features in isolation and then expecting them all to work together in the final product 2015-01-21T07:19:31 < ReadError> dongs did you twitterscam some followers yet? 2015-01-21T07:19:47 < dongs> Good morning everyone, Hey David, Hey Simon: Regarding the RGB landing leds, not at the moment, sorry. The LEDS are controlled by three FETs (electronic switches) so they are VERY bright, if they were to be individually controllable, I would need 12 FET's and the board space is already very tight, I just couldn't fit the extra components. 2015-01-21T07:20:03 < dongs> not 12 fets, noo!!!!! 2015-01-21T07:20:32 < PeterM> englishman: there is very little momentum,but by the time its slowed down and then reversed, theflipiusalreadydone,and nowyou're falling 2015-01-21T07:21:25 < PeterM> wtf? can't fit 12fets? 2015-01-21T07:21:59 < ReadError> PeterM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbavHsTsXPQ&feature=youtu.be 2015-01-21T07:22:40 < dongs> is that variavble pitch 2015-01-21T07:23:00 < ReadError> no 2015-01-21T07:23:04 < dongs> fuck off 2015-01-21T07:23:07 < dongs> thats not reversing motors 2015-01-21T07:23:11 < ReadError> yes it is 2015-01-21T07:23:18 < dongs> no way 2015-01-21T07:23:25 < ReadError> http://www.leap3dquad.com/ 2015-01-21T07:23:29 < ReadError> sazbo is a 3d heli pro tho 2015-01-21T07:23:33 < GargantuaSauce> i love the sound they make 2015-01-21T07:23:37 < ReadError> results may vary 2015-01-21T07:23:40 -!- DanteA [~X@host-27-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-21T07:23:54 < ReadError> http://www.leap3dquad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/LQ45001A_1.jpg 2015-01-21T07:24:00 < dongs> oh yeah, turned sound on 2015-01-21T07:24:07 < PeterM> also do note that thatisthe scale where power density vsweight peaks... 2015-01-21T07:24:21 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T07:24:51 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-21T07:24:51 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2015-01-21T07:24:56 < englishman> dongs youve not seen quads fly like that? 2015-01-21T07:25:46 < englishman> you can see they're pretty good at little flips but suck at tictocs and stuff 2015-01-21T07:26:18 < GargantuaSauce> yeah tick-tocks are pretty solidly in variable pitch territory 2015-01-21T07:29:07 < ReadError> i would never go variable pitch 2015-01-21T07:29:11 < ReadError> too much mechanical shit 2015-01-21T07:29:19 < englishman> helis are awesome tho 2015-01-21T07:29:19 < ReadError> #sadcrash 2015-01-21T07:29:27 < englishman> flybarless is tits 2015-01-21T07:29:41 < englishman> your 250 flies like a champ 2015-01-21T07:30:28 < ReadError> did you ef pee vee it yet? 2015-01-21T07:30:39 < englishman> no :( 2015-01-21T07:30:46 < englishman> the parts are sitting on it tho 2015-01-21T07:31:07 < dongs> spliced tape working good 2015-01-21T07:44:31 < dongs> Hey Hauvert: Regarding solar cells. It's a good idea, the issue is that current silicon solar cells lack the energy density to power something like the Zano. However, they could certainly be use to keep Zano powered if it had landed somewhere to video something if they were built into the top of Zano. 2015-01-21T07:44:54 < dongs> current estimate is ~200-250mA to record 1080p to sd card in mjpeg 2015-01-21T07:45:44 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T07:49:12 < dongs> Regarding examples photos and videos. Absolutely. I'll take and post videos and photos indoor under Fluro lighting, halogen light, outdoor in full sun assuming the sun comes out soon, cloudy conditions etc. I have to complete the PCB revisions first to keep to our schedule. I can then capture this content for you all. 2015-01-21T07:49:53 < dongs> this should be my next excuse when wifecop wants me to wash dishes 2015-01-21T07:50:00 < dongs> i have to complete the pcb revisions first to keep schedule 2015-01-21T07:50:03 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-21T07:53:26 -!- perillamint [~perillami@59.187.100.132] has quit [Quit: Quit - Powered by ZNC] 2015-01-21T07:55:02 < PeterM> "what schedule? your innovative blogging schedule?" 2015-01-21T07:55:06 -!- perillamint [~perillami@59.187.100.132] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T07:56:13 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T07:58:16 < dongs> i';m the Chief Blogging Officer 2015-01-21T07:59:05 < dongs> wondering if I should purcahse astrotorquing.com and make a meme out of it or its irrelevant enough to not care and will soon fade into obscurity like matchboxarm 2015-01-21T07:59:09 < ds2> 1080p in MJPEG?! didn't think they made SD cards that fast 2015-01-21T07:59:27 < englishman> zano has a bit more cash than matchboxarm 2015-01-21T07:59:29 < dongs> bro, with proprietary ip anything is possible 2015-01-21T08:00:16 < dongs> as long as its written in assembly on PIC32MZ 2015-01-21T08:00:20 < dongs> dont you fucking doubt me 2015-01-21T08:00:37 < dongs> The firmware that is required to support the MicroSD card is more complicated. We have to build the File allocation table handling code, implement relevant timestamps as well as allow the firmware to playback the recorded video or photos through the app so you don't have to remove the MicroSD card to get the content. 2015-01-21T08:00:45 < dongs> not the file allocation table, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 2015-01-21T08:01:08 < dongs> we could jsut use irrelevant timestamps 2015-01-21T08:01:17 < dongs> last time i implemented fatfs i just set time/date to like 13:37 2015-01-21T08:02:17 < dongs> I will continue to try and respond as quickly as I am able too in-between working on the production revisions of the PCB's and the Firmware. So If I go quiet for a little while, please know I will respond as soon as I take a break. Kind Regards, Ivan Reedman 2015-01-21T08:02:35 < dongs> i thought he had employees 2015-01-21T08:02:36 < dongs> to do pcbs 2015-01-21T08:02:37 < dongs> and firmware 2015-01-21T08:02:38 < dongs> and shit 2015-01-21T08:03:00 < dongs> cuz torquing is on the leading edge of global innovation in nanodrones 2015-01-21T08:03:49 < englishman> for 25 years 2015-01-21T08:04:13 < dongs> don't forget they have a combined experience of over 47 years (c) reedman 2015-01-21T08:04:23 < dongs> (this was on archive.org /about page from like 2008 torquing.com 2015-01-21T08:04:30 < PeterM> i guess it seems like theyve been torquing out their ass 2015-01-21T08:05:04 < dongs> same guys 2015-01-21T08:05:08 < dongs> the 3 mil dickstarter 2015-01-21T08:07:02 < dongs> Hey SungLi: That is a really good suggestion. The Zano Black will now have the RGB display at the front on a black PCB. 2015-01-21T08:07:41 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-130-194.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:08:18 < PeterM> wut 2015-01-21T08:08:32 < ReadError> black will reflect the light much better 2015-01-21T08:08:34 < ReadError> #science 2015-01-21T08:09:02 < dongs> Hey Wei: HDR through software is something we may look into later on after launch, with the post processing capabilities we are offering through our dedicated ZANO HPC (Supercomputer), the usual editing, compensation and correction capabilities should all be there so though the raw content may not have the dynamic range adjusted, the post processed version certainly could do. 2015-01-21T08:09:12 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:09:48 < dongs> Hi Kendrick, Post processing optic compensation through our HPC will be able to remove the fish eye effect. We are looking at the fish eye option in order create a wider field of view for maximum "windowing" possibility. 2015-01-21T08:09:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251201165.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T08:10:10 < dongs> I.m here in the UK, never having been to CES and believe me, I want to see the video as much as anyone. Just a little update, we have the electricians in both yesterday and today installed two 3 Phase 30Amp supplies into our server room for one of our HPC nodes (development). These HPC nodes use serious energy but do delivery enormous processing power. Once that is all installed and built, we have to assemble the node next, I would expect in the next two weeks this s 2015-01-21T08:11:23 < dongs> Right, I have only a handful of PCB traces left to lay and I desperately want to get the 3D rendering to you all today. Also, Robin (one of our software engineers) is popping in and out of the forums today to answer SDK related questions. Its all coming together. Have a great morning. 2015-01-21T08:13:46 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:16:14 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T08:16:38 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:20:16 < GargantuaSauce> wait what they're doing video processing saas? 2015-01-21T08:20:29 < dongs> just reg'd noflyzano.com 2015-01-21T08:22:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-21T08:23:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-21T08:24:38 < jpa-> hmm nice 2015-01-21T08:24:54 < jpa-> some of the STM32F103 errata is fixed in the pin-compatible 1024kB ROM "XL-density" versions 2015-01-21T08:25:18 < jpa-> such as FSMC DMA1 vs. DMA2 conflict 2015-01-21T08:26:48 < GargantuaSauce> wait holy fuck are they implementing autonomy with that saas 2015-01-21T08:27:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:28:10 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: in his dreams maybe 2015-01-21T08:28:17 < GargantuaSauce> yeah ok just video processing 2015-01-21T08:28:26 < dongs> 'just' 2015-01-21T08:28:28 < GargantuaSauce> "just" 2015-01-21T08:28:49 < dongs> also, zano is access point. 2015-01-21T08:28:55 < dongs> your phone connects to it. 2015-01-21T08:29:14 < GargantuaSauce> you mean, your phone disconnects from it 2015-01-21T08:29:25 < dongs> ardrone2 uses h264 streaming 2015-01-21T08:29:30 < dongs> 4mbit recording to sd 2015-01-21T08:29:32 < dongs> 1mbit streaming 2015-01-21T08:29:41 < dongs> but it has a proper application processor that can do that 2015-01-21T08:29:45 < dongs> not a fucing pic32 2015-01-21T08:30:00 < dongs> its also not 50grams 2015-01-21T08:30:42 < dongs> going to do a "Has Zano flying video been posted yet"? "No" on noflyzano.com 2015-01-21T08:30:55 < dongs> one of those hasxxxhappenedyet.com clonez 2015-01-21T08:31:38 < GargantuaSauce> i am still baffled that they're compounding the dubious featureset with video processing saas over mobile radio 2015-01-21T08:32:02 < englishman> whatever sells on dickstarter 2015-01-21T08:32:06 < dongs> ^ 2015-01-21T08:32:07 < GargantuaSauce> i mean if they partered with youtube or something i could sort of believe it 2015-01-21T08:32:21 < englishman> it doesnt fucking matter 2015-01-21T08:32:25 < englishman> since they dont have to deliver shit 2015-01-21T08:32:29 < dongs> no, hes gonna run 60A 3phase circuit into his mancave instead 2015-01-21T08:32:34 < dongs> and run HPC there 2015-01-21T08:32:37 < dongs> (wahtever teh fuck that is) 2015-01-21T08:33:18 < GargantuaSauce> i am gonna guess its an nvidia tesla or something 2015-01-21T08:33:33 < englishman> powered by 350mah battery 2015-01-21T08:33:40 < PeterM> agoodway to blow $3mil on useless shit 2015-01-21T08:34:07 < GargantuaSauce> i bet he's downloading wowza as we speak 2015-01-21T08:34:57 < dongs> like attending CES 2015-01-21T08:35:13 < dongs> attend CES without flying 2015-01-21T08:35:15 < dongs> ???? 2015-01-21T08:35:38 < PeterM> i dunno why he hasnt bought a yacht yet and pissd off 2015-01-21T08:35:57 < dongs> maybe he';ll pull a ritot end of january 2015-01-21T08:36:01 < dongs> 'we're having problems with our bank' 2015-01-21T08:36:21 < dongs> haha 2 months ago last upadte on ritot 2015-01-21T08:36:25 < dongs> yacht: purchased 2015-01-21T08:39:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-21T08:39:53 < dongs> Ignasius Jonan told a parliamentary hearing in Jakarta that flight QZ8501 had ascended at a speed of 6,000ft (1,828m) per minute. 2015-01-21T08:39:56 < dongs> oops 2015-01-21T08:40:27 < bilboquet> Hi, is some one can explain to me what is the meaning of NA in a schema ? 2015-01-21T08:40:36 < dongs> context? 2015-01-21T08:41:14 < PeterM> bilboquet: probably meansnorth america 2015-01-21T08:41:23 < PeterM> or "nahhhh mate" 2015-01-21T08:41:47 < bilboquet> i look to the shema of STM32F4DISCOVERY 2015-01-21T08:41:47 < PeterM> or no asians (they dont want stuff made in china) 2015-01-21T08:42:05 < dongs> im not gonna fucking search 2015-01-21T08:42:06 < dongs> post a .png 2015-01-21T08:42:08 < dongs> on imgur 2015-01-21T08:42:11 < dongs> then i might be bothered 2015-01-21T08:42:14 < dongs> to click it 2015-01-21T08:42:20 < bilboquet> ok sorry 2015-01-21T08:43:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:43:23 < bilboquet> I thought it was a classic term 2015-01-21T08:44:31 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-21T08:44:32 < PeterM> NA usually means not applicable 2015-01-21T08:44:59 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:45:42 < dongs> not a blog 2015-01-21T08:46:40 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T08:46:58 < GargantuaSauce> there are a few resistors that arent fitted, is it one of those? 2015-01-21T08:47:23 < bilboquet> ok thanks 2015-01-21T08:49:04 < englishman> dongs: i saw that too, about airasia 2015-01-21T08:49:11 < englishman> no idea how a jetliner can even climb that fast 2015-01-21T08:49:13 < englishman> thats just nuts 2015-01-21T08:49:24 < dongs> it hit a phantom 2015-01-21T08:49:29 < dongs> and pilot raged out 2015-01-21T08:49:57 < GargantuaSauce> they do fly ridiculously conservatively, way way way behind any edges of the flight evelope 2015-01-21T08:50:11 < englishman> yes, but 2015-01-21T08:50:14 < GargantuaSauce> 30 m/s up does seem a bit high though 2015-01-21T08:50:18 < englishman> thats a fucking crazy climb 2015-01-21T08:50:19 < englishman> yes 2015-01-21T08:50:27 < englishman> the pilot would have to had ignore every warning 2015-01-21T08:50:32 < englishman> then, kill airspeed 2015-01-21T08:50:34 < dongs> apparently he did 2015-01-21T08:50:36 < englishman> then, fall back to ocean 2015-01-21T08:50:41 < dongs> the recording was full of beeps 2015-01-21T08:50:41 < englishman> all without transmitting 2015-01-21T08:51:43 < englishman> yes mechanical failure of elevator is something i thought of when reading that 2015-01-21T08:52:12 < englishman> then poor cockpit organization resulting in no transmissions 2015-01-21T08:54:17 < GargantuaSauce> also that might just be altitude calculated from barometric pressure and not gps 2015-01-21T08:54:41 < GargantuaSauce> in which case flying into a storm and into lower pressure air may be a factor 2015-01-21T08:55:10 < GargantuaSauce> that may be a ridiculous statement i cba to do the napkin math to compare the two effects 2015-01-21T08:55:35 < GargantuaSauce> think it's kind of silly that they're releasing tidbits like that a week before the actual report 2015-01-21T08:55:42 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T08:55:47 < englishman> iirc it wasnt blackbox data that led to that statement 2015-01-21T08:55:58 < GargantuaSauce> ah 2015-01-21T08:55:59 < englishman> but i cant find that info now 2015-01-21T08:56:27 < englishman> Earlier at a parliamentary hearing, he said radar data showed the Airbus A320-200 appeared at one point to be climbing at a rate of 6,000 feet (1,800 metres) a minute 2015-01-21T08:56:27 < englishman> aha 2015-01-21T09:00:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:00:51 < PeterM> "Mate, it's an A320 not a SR-71 you fuckwit" 2015-01-21T09:01:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:02:23 < englishman> well sr71 climb rate i see at 60m/s or twice 1800m/min 2015-01-21T09:02:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-21T09:02:46 < englishman> f-22 appears to be 350m/s 2015-01-21T09:02:47 < PeterM> yeah man, SR71 at 30m/s would be nice and gentle, not upset the passengers at all 2015-01-21T09:03:58 < PeterM> i wonder what F35B climbrate is? it's probably easier to express in $1,000,000s/m 2015-01-21T09:04:42 < englishman> heh 2015-01-21T09:04:47 < GargantuaSauce> joint suck fighter 2015-01-21T09:05:08 < PeterM> *an expensive flying trash bin 2015-01-21T09:05:27 < GargantuaSauce> swiss army knives are way more useful 2015-01-21T09:05:33 < dongs> i thought that was the new mac pro 2015-01-21T09:05:33 < GargantuaSauce> can you open a wine bottle with an f35? 2015-01-21T09:05:37 < dongs> expensive trash bin 2015-01-21T09:05:38 < englishman> "why would i use my pocket knife when my screwdriver set is on the shelf over there" 2015-01-21T09:05:55 < PeterM> dongs lol, yeah, upgrade from expensive hceese grater 2015-01-21T09:06:18 < englishman> GargantuaSauce: you can, by smashing it on the side of the nose before maiden flight 2015-01-21T09:06:37 < GargantuaSauce> think the skin is too fragile for that 2015-01-21T09:06:42 < GargantuaSauce> it cant fly in rain 2015-01-21T09:07:09 < englishman> a-10 is actually ground fighter tho 2015-01-21T09:07:14 < englishman> a-10 is a bathtub 2015-01-21T09:07:28 < GargantuaSauce> that is one of the roles the f35 is supposed to fill 2015-01-21T09:07:28 < englishman> with a gun as big as a car 2015-01-21T09:07:44 < GargantuaSauce> that's where the "joint" comes in 2015-01-21T09:07:50 < GargantuaSauce> but really i just means the designers were stoned 2015-01-21T09:08:41 < PeterM> A-10 is not an aircraft. A-10 is "10 accessories...for GAU-8" 2015-01-21T09:09:33 < englishman> single engine = cant even reach russia from america 2015-01-21T09:10:00 < englishman> when engine dies over canadian wasteland, plane also dies 2015-01-21T09:10:10 < GargantuaSauce> yeah they dont send f-16s over the arctic 2015-01-21T09:10:41 < Getty> when engine dies over canadian wasteland it says sorry 2015-01-21T09:10:47 < PeterM> i gots to say 2015-01-21T09:11:43 < PeterM> mang shouldhave just Su-37 2015-01-21T09:12:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:16:09 < PeterM> so we come to the consensus cool aircraft are cool and we all like cool aircraft rite? 2015-01-21T09:17:20 < PeterM> eyy way cool as cool, but also shit is hot 2015-01-21T09:17:39 < PeterM> not real words 2015-01-21T09:17:51 < dongs> The video will be MJPEG from Zano as this allows us to perform all manner of higher compression level filters etc over the content but if you want the best quality video, this will be stored natively on the SD card. 2015-01-21T09:18:05 < dongs> From there, the app will allow you to stream this content over WIFI from Zano and re-compress into any of the standard formats and save onto your phone, or upload to the HPC if you wish, its your choice. 2015-01-21T09:18:40 < PeterM> thing that sound dumb. ^^that and the F-35 2015-01-21T09:18:59 < dongs> Regarding a flat battery, when the load is turned off (motors, leds and most functions), the battery voltage will recover quite a bit and this will allow the speaker and other HELP ME Zano functions to stay active as long as possible. 2015-01-21T09:19:22 < dongs> (has 1W class D audiophool-grade amp on board) 2015-01-21T09:19:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/torquing/comments 2015-01-21T09:19:49 < PeterM> is gon usemotors as speakers or gon put shit spkr on thing 2015-01-21T09:20:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-21T09:21:37 < dongs> http://thingsfittingperfectlyintothings.tumblr.com/ 2015-01-21T09:21:42 < dongs> R2COM: yes 2015-01-21T09:23:04 < PeterM> he used magics 2015-01-21T09:23:09 < GargantuaSauce> mega hype 2015-01-21T09:23:17 < PeterM> the same way he is going to make zanoi work 2015-01-21T09:23:22 < PeterM> macigs 2015-01-21T09:23:43 < dongs> no 2015-01-21T09:23:50 < dongs> theres not even a single video of it flying 2015-01-21T09:23:57 < dongs> no, its imposible 2015-01-21T09:23:58 < dongs> read the specs 2015-01-21T09:24:11 < PeterM> yes 2015-01-21T09:24:13 < dongs> yes, as of ~couple weeks ago 2015-01-21T09:24:37 < PeterM> as i said earlier, im surprised no yacht yet 2015-01-21T09:24:41 < dongs> hes still stringing them along 2015-01-21T09:25:30 < PeterM> maybe he has yacht andsat phone for internets 2015-01-21T09:26:45 < dongs> man my trolling domains portfolio is sad 2015-01-21T09:26:49 < dongs> and none are monetizing :( 2015-01-21T09:27:53 < ReadError> dont you have lolwat 2015-01-21T09:28:05 < GargantuaSauce> your srs blog on tarduino.cc is best 2015-01-21T09:28:14 < GargantuaSauce> keep doing that 2015-01-21T09:28:59 < jadew> dongs, what domains do you have? 2015-01-21T09:29:25 < jadew> unpossible, that's mine 2015-01-21T09:30:01 < jadew> I don't know what you're talking about 2015-01-21T09:30:35 < jadew> :D 2015-01-21T09:32:10 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:34:07 < dongs> http://noflyzano.com/ rate my http skillz 2015-01-21T09:34:25 < dongs> or was taht html 2015-01-21T09:34:25 < dongs> i dunno 2015-01-21T09:35:02 < PeterM> http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/egypt-protests-helicopter.jpg 2015-01-21T09:35:31 < dongs> The rescaling used was a very simple process, not even a proper reconstructive rescale like the one we can implement on the HPC in which case I doubt anyone without serious forensic examination would distinguish the difference. Interesting isn't it? 2015-01-21T09:35:37 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-21T09:36:18 < dongs> 1. Your user account is completely sandboxes without our HPC. There is no way for your data to leak to other users. 2. I'm completely paranoid about network and data security and the HPC runs fully patched and updated Linux virtual machines that are created and destroyed as we need them. The HPC also sits behind full IDS and UTM security hardware devices. IDS means intrusion detection system, this monitors authentication, IP addresses, login cookies, total flow of da 2015-01-21T09:36:24 < dongs> LOGIN COOKIES BRO 2015-01-21T09:36:28 < dongs> UTM means unified threat management device. This also has an IDS component but also firewall, packet inspection, real time virus scanning etc. 3. We comply with the UK data protection act. 2015-01-21T09:37:00 < dongs> Regarding the HPC, yes, it is extremely expensive. The HPC we have now costs £2,000 per month in electricity alone. We are planning to keep it free of charge permanently. 2015-01-21T09:44:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:44:33 < qyx_> dongs: no doctype. 2015-01-21T09:46:29 < jadew> donb, can you post the kickstarter link again? I /clear ed 2015-01-21T09:46:37 < dongs> < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/torquing/comments 2015-01-21T09:46:38 < dongs> End of Lastlog 2015-01-21T09:46:46 < jadew> thanks 2015-01-21T09:47:55 < jadew> is the presentation video fake? 2015-01-21T09:48:06 < dongs> absolutely, plus it doesnt realyl show anything of value 2015-01-21T09:48:40 < jadew> so a 2 million pounds scam 2015-01-21T09:48:42 < jadew> nice 2015-01-21T09:48:45 < dongs> pretty much 2015-01-21T09:49:13 < dongs> a family scam 2015-01-21T09:51:51 < dongs> http://thingsfittingperfectlyintothings.tumblr.com/post/99615776007/laptop-baking-tin-apple-pie-fit-found-by 2015-01-21T09:52:08 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:52:12 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T09:57:21 < dongs> Yes, Zano has a PDM (Pulse Density Modulation) digital microphone. The propellor noise will be an issue, however we will release in 2015 a functionality update to implement noise cancelling for the microphone so it can be used during flight. 2015-01-21T09:58:31 < dongs> The HPC (Super computer) is a 100 blade dual quad core xeon monster. Let me expand on that, it means each blade has two Xeon CPU's and each CPU has four cores. Each blade has 16GB of local memory and 73GB RAID 15,000rpm drives. All connected to a 15TB fibre channel NAS (Network storage) via multiple multi-gigbit connections. 2015-01-21T09:58:51 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-21T10:00:57 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T10:01:20 < dongs> Zano already does a digital version of OIS so rather than moving the lens, it moves a digital window within the camera itself based on inertial sensors so the stability should be very good. 2015-01-21T10:01:24 < dongs> haha whaat 2015-01-21T10:01:57 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T10:02:11 < dongs> LOL regarding the job vacancy. I am however always looking for good software engineers, software developers. I also need a personal assistant. 2015-01-21T10:02:19 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T10:02:42 < dongs> Regarding uncompressed photos. You can choose the compression level used by the camera JPEG engine so if you want to turn it off, you can and Zano will store a HUGE image on the SD card but your quite right, the quality would be optimal. 2015-01-21T10:02:47 < dongs> hahaha 2015-01-21T10:03:25 < dongs> so he claims to be able to process raw 1080p/720p @ 96mhz pixel clock with a 200mhz pic32, writing to SD card, al;l while dealign with those pesky 'file allocation tables' and 'relevant timestamps' 2015-01-21T10:03:30 < dongs> daym 2015-01-21T10:03:32 < dongs> this guy is fucking pro 2015-01-21T10:04:03 < dongs> (all this while streaming 720p to your iphone, deshaking video, uploading to 300 xeon HPC cluster, etc e tc 2015-01-21T10:04:17 < dongs> we have a TRUE INNOVATOR here 2015-01-21T10:04:30 < Roklobsta> dongs: I' 2015-01-21T10:04:40 < Roklobsta> dongs: I'll be your PA if I can have unlimited ramen. 2015-01-21T10:05:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T10:05:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-21T10:06:52 < dongs> Yes, libZano will be closed source because any undisclosed protocols, and the HCP communication stack for image processing. LibZano is presented as a single header 'libZano.h', and a library file. We'll have a build farm setup to quickly do builds for every possible OS/Hardward combination we have access to. 2015-01-21T10:09:01 < jadew> build farm - lol 2015-01-21T10:09:12 < jadew> for a single library that does close to nothing 2015-01-21T10:09:16 < dongs> yeah man 2015-01-21T10:09:23 < dongs> gotta justify paying 2000gbp/month 2015-01-21T10:09:27 < dongs> for 300 core blade xeon server 2015-01-21T10:10:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T10:10:24 < dongs> this guy is *always* like that. watch this vid http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/SQ-4-RECON-Micro-UAV-AUVSI-Unma 2015-01-21T10:10:32 < dongs> he talks absolutely senseless gibberish 2015-01-21T10:11:39 < jadew> the video doesn't work, but I'll take your word for it 2015-01-21T10:11:52 < Roklobsta> crash? 2015-01-21T10:12:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-21T10:12:37 < jadew> ffs... kickstarter blows 2015-01-21T10:12:58 < jadew> they're operating for so long already and they still only support only a handful of countries 2015-01-21T10:13:34 < Roklobsta> jadew: what are you making with your AVR's and STM32s? 2015-01-21T10:14:05 < jadew> Roklobsta, I don't know, lots of stuff, currently I have no ongoing projects that use any of them 2015-01-21T10:15:18 < jadew> actually I only used stm32 for a single project, but I stock several of them now for quick projects 2015-01-21T10:18:05 < Roklobsta> for fun or profit? 2015-01-21T10:18:21 < dongs> < jadew> the video doesn't work, but I'll take your word for it 2015-01-21T10:18:24 < dongs> jadew: video works fine for me 2015-01-21T10:18:28 < dongs> its worth a watch, really 2015-01-21T10:18:54 < jadew> Roklobsta, trying to go for profit lately 2015-01-21T10:19:09 < dongs> to profit you need to innovate 2015-01-21T10:19:28 < jadew> I kinda ran out of projects that nobody else would need :) 2015-01-21T10:22:53 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T10:23:09 < Tectu> dongs, are you around? 2015-01-21T10:23:16 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T10:23:23 < Tectu> dongs, you uVision pro? 2015-01-21T10:23:28 < dongs> and keil has no folders, just add shit to include path and make filters in project list 2015-01-21T10:23:36 < jpa-> luls 2015-01-21T10:23:43 < Tectu> dongs, "make filters"? 2015-01-21T10:23:50 < dongs> like, to group stuff 2015-01-21T10:24:03 < dongs> i guess they call it groups 2015-01-21T10:24:08 < dongs> right click project name-> add group 2015-01-21T10:24:14 < dongs> same like filter in vstudio etc 2015-01-21T10:24:26 < Tectu> dongs, yep, but no sub-groups there 2015-01-21T10:24:42 < dongs> yeah, who the hell needs that much organization 2015-01-21T10:24:45 < Tectu> dongs, isn't that like the most brain-dead IDE on the planet?! 2015-01-21T10:24:47 < dongs> nope 2015-01-21T10:24:49 < dongs> its amazing 2015-01-21T10:24:55 < Tectu> dat trolling 2015-01-21T10:24:57 < dongs> its opensores shit that needs 300 folders to organize stuff 2015-01-21T10:28:51 < Tectu> please stop using keil thanks 2015-01-21T10:29:23 < dongs> To be honest, the production version is so different to the prototype there really is no comparison. The prototype used a different camera, smaller motors and less refined firmware so its a bit like chalk and cheese. 2015-01-21T10:29:31 < dongs> The production camera will give you video virtually identical to that of an iPhone 5 or 6. 2015-01-21T10:29:47 < dongs> Just speaking for myself, I have spent on average 4 hours a day responding to queries and comments and I have done so willingly. 2015-01-21T10:29:48 < Tectu> talking about the fag drone? 2015-01-21T10:30:07 < dongs> Tectu: ya, did you see new troll developments: http://noflyzano.com/ 2015-01-21T10:30:22 < Tectu> dongs, lol :D 2015-01-21T10:30:52 < Tectu> dongs, but again - it glows in the dark 2015-01-21T10:31:35 < Tectu> dongs, latest in trolling is this shit http://www.penguin.cz/~fojtik/keil/CtorFailure.gif 2015-01-21T10:32:00 < Tectu> I don't understand where they got their popularity from - it's the worst freakin' IDE on the planet 2015-01-21T10:32:09 < dongs> > ancient uvision 2015-01-21T10:32:11 < dongs> > dumb operator 2015-01-21T10:32:14 < dongs> > opensores project 2015-01-21T10:32:19 < dongs> you see where im heading with this? 2015-01-21T10:32:27 < dongs> uvision is on 5.x now 2015-01-21T10:32:42 < Tectu> dongs, I have 5.12 here 2015-01-21T10:32:46 < dongs> me too 2015-01-21T10:32:54 < dongs> or maybe .13 2015-01-21T10:32:54 < dongs> it works 2015-01-21T10:32:56 < Tectu> did you too pay for it? 2015-01-21T10:33:16 < Tectu> dongs, it works as long as you have a project which only consists of flashing an LED and therefore does not need more than three files 2015-01-21T10:33:35 < dongs> you can write Zano OS in assembly in 3 files, bro 2015-01-21T10:33:50 < Tectu> not when it is supposed to glow in the dark 2015-01-21T10:34:12 < dongs> me paying or not for keil is not your concern tho, I do pay for software that I use which makes me substantial amount of $, and until that happens I evaluate the said software. 2015-01-21T10:34:35 < Tectu> :D 2015-01-21T10:34:39 < Tectu> time to do other stuff, ya 2015-01-21T10:34:43 < Tectu> (thanks for your help, dongs) 2015-01-21T10:35:00 < Tectu> btw, dongs, http://www.flyzano.com/ 2015-01-21T10:35:10 < Tectu> how on earth do they power that high power LED array? 2015-01-21T10:35:13 < Tectu> array/cluster 2015-01-21T10:35:13 < dongs> tectu, thats the troll site 2015-01-21T10:35:18 < dongs> Tectu: with a 350mAh lipo 2015-01-21T10:35:25 < dongs> Tectu: with a wifi module that draws 230mA at lowest transmit power 2015-01-21T10:35:29 < Tectu> so light for 10min? 2015-01-21T10:35:35 < Tectu> lulz? 2015-01-21T10:35:35 < dongs> with a camera module that draws 100mA while encoding 720p @ MJPEG 2015-01-21T10:35:41 < dongs> with a mcu that draws 90mA 2015-01-21T10:35:49 < Tectu> well, still possible - 2min 2015-01-21T10:36:08 < dongs> impossible in 55grams regardless 2015-01-21T10:36:23 < Tectu> original footage https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/820/432/b3d362eb4fec4a06c8891b43b66c1554_large.png?1414603078 2015-01-21T10:36:44 < dongs> fucking shopped 2015-01-21T10:36:53 < Tectu> no, that would be unfair 2015-01-21T10:37:25 < Tectu> dongs, LOL! http://www.flyzano.com/zano-fuel/ 2015-01-21T10:37:32 < dongs> the guy in the picture is that footballer guy 2015-01-21T10:37:41 < dongs> ya man 2015-01-21T10:37:49 < Tectu> dongs, 2.2Ah -> 4 to 5 times 2015-01-21T10:37:49 < dongs> they're rolling with spamcessories 2015-01-21T10:37:52 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-21T10:37:55 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has quit [] 2015-01-21T10:38:04 < dongs> Tectu: their main battery is 350mAh (c) torquing group 2015-01-21T10:38:18 < dongs> i.e. the kind battery chinee $20 quads fly 10-15mins on 2015-01-21T10:38:28 < Tectu> probably they got ultra bro glow-in-the-dark jewish battery that can handle it 2015-01-21T10:38:33 < dongs> without wifi, without camera, without 64led RGB matrix, etc 2015-01-21T10:38:41 < Tectu> wait, that's even RGB? 2015-01-21T10:38:43 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T10:39:00 < ReadError> also 2015-01-21T10:39:05 < ReadError> those motors are tiny 2015-01-21T10:39:13 < ReadError> 7mm 2015-01-21T10:39:31 < Tectu> you know what's also tiny and only lasts for two minutes? 2015-01-21T10:39:40 < dongs> no dongs jokes please 2015-01-21T10:39:47 < Tectu> ok :( 2015-01-21T10:40:11 < dongs> http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-brj95j3p/products/81/images/283/ZANO_Props_black__25195.1421337554.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 2015-01-21T10:40:14 < dongs> haha 2015-01-21T10:40:16 < dongs> man 2015-01-21T10:40:17 < dongs> where do these guys get off 2015-01-21T10:40:42 < Tectu> dongs, that paper cover at the top looks like printed on a fucking laser printer on usual office paper :D 2015-01-21T10:41:15 < jadew> \:D/ just got more gifts from china 2015-01-21T10:41:22 < Tectu> time to leave 2015-01-21T10:41:24 < Tectu> have a good one guys 2015-01-21T10:41:27 < jadew> bye 2015-01-21T10:41:31 < Tectu> don't troll too much, dongs 2015-01-21T10:41:38 < qyx_> troll more 2015-01-21T10:41:47 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-21T10:42:12 < jadew> tect, looks more like printed on inkjet 2015-01-21T10:42:46 < dongs> ohh, iut has a 2W audio amp 2015-01-21T10:42:59 < dongs> Unlimited colour RGB 8*8 pixel front display supporting animations, icons etc - Which doubles as a camera flash!\ 2015-01-21T10:44:33 < dongs> Regarding a night shot. Unfortunately we have not taken any and the development Zano.s here are in pieces as we are flat out working on getting the production version ready. The night photography will be remarkably similar to most smart phones at night as they all have fairly similar low light performance. 2015-01-21T10:48:44 < Laurenceb__> boring 2015-01-21T10:48:50 < dongs> Regarding weather measurements. Interesting idea. Zano has onboard temperature, air pressure and could probably calculate wind speed and direction. What a cool use. 2015-01-21T10:48:56 < Laurenceb__> someone said footballer guy and I expected Ched Evans 2015-01-21T10:49:08 < dongs> Laurenceb__: youre in the wrong business 2015-01-21T10:49:15 < dongs> you need to get into weather measurements with drones 2015-01-21T10:49:20 < Laurenceb__> heh 2015-01-21T10:49:21 < dongs> gettin dat windspeed and direction 2015-01-21T10:50:20 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T10:50:28 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T11:02:50 < Getty> dongs: you should stay on #lwip else it will never get going ;) (just saw you were there) 2015-01-21T11:06:58 < qyx_> dongs: do you want throughput numbers on that f107 & lwip? 2015-01-21T11:10:41 < dongs> qyx_: that would be nice 2015-01-21T11:10:46 < dongs> Getty: no shit 2015-01-21T11:11:57 < dongs> BREAKING ZANO NEWS: all 4 props replaced with http://www.sciencekids.co.nz/images/projects/anemometer.jpg 2015-01-21T11:13:02 < dongs> https://fat.gfycat.com/GiddySinfulAllensbigearedbat.webm lolwat 2015-01-21T11:13:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T11:21:14 < ReadError> that kid has drank waaay too much 2015-01-21T11:21:47 < dongs> The boolean logic error is one that is so easy to do x = y && x compared with x = y || x is so hard to spot when buried in code and you.ve been working at it all day. :-) 2015-01-21T11:21:50 < dongs> waht 2015-01-21T11:22:26 < qyx_> uhm 2015-01-21T11:22:32 < ReadError> i think the bigger question here is 2015-01-21T11:22:38 < ReadError> why is ' being replaced with . 2015-01-21T11:22:55 < dongs> blame lunixcuz he uses some faggot unicode ' 2015-01-21T11:23:15 < ReadError> oh, I assumed you where on a real OS. sorry 2015-01-21T11:25:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T11:25:23 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-21T11:25:47 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T11:29:22 < qyx_> k, writing test codez 2015-01-21T11:30:58 < dongs> I am not a 3D mapping expert so my understanding is moderately limited but Zano does provide detailed inertial navigation data and distance data for all sensors hundreds of times per second. If all this information was fed into a mapping system, building a 3D model with some clever mathematics should definitely be possible. 2015-01-21T11:35:09 < qyx_> distance data? 2015-01-21T11:35:24 < qyx_> how does it measure distance? 2015-01-21T11:35:41 < dongs> he says he has infrared pointing in 4 places and bototm-facing sonar 2015-01-21T11:35:49 < dongs> just let this guy innovate, he's a super pro 2015-01-21T11:36:22 < dongs> Hey everyone, I have a few updates for you. 1. The MicroSD card is in the new design and all connected up. It is in the back of Zano and the MicroSD card is easily accessible from the rear of Zano. 2015-01-21T11:36:26 < dongs> haha 2015-01-21T11:36:29 < dongs> there was not even a SD caard until jan 3td 2015-01-21T11:36:31 < dongs> 3rd 2015-01-21T11:39:13 < dongs> Not sure what is happening with the site for you. I have issues from time to time with me home internet service. General rebooting the router helps as it stops forwarding DNS requests (resolves a web site name to an IP address). 2015-01-21T11:43:25 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200971182733 2015-01-21T11:43:28 < dongs> thats pretty innovative 2015-01-21T11:47:43 < dongs> Police stop a Pakistani in his transit van on the motorway. Policeman says "Do you know the limit is 70?" The driver leans into the back and says: "Hear that. Three of you have got to get out!" 2015-01-21T11:48:34 < zyp> heh 2015-01-21T11:56:25 < qyx_> qyx@qyx3:~$ netcat 192.168.0.35 6000 | pv > /dev/null 2015-01-21T11:56:25 < qyx_> 8.46MiB 0:00:06 [1.41MiB/s] [ <=> ] 2015-01-21T11:56:30 < qyx_> shit 2015-01-21T11:56:36 < qyx_> dongs: ^ 2015-01-21T11:56:41 < qyx_> stm32 -> pc 2015-01-21T11:56:47 < qyx_> using tcp, socket api 2015-01-21T11:56:55 < qyx_> writing in 256B chunks 2015-01-21T11:58:25 < qyx_> 1.86MB/s when writing in 512B chunks 2015-01-21T11:59:25 < qyx_> apparently it just places data directly into packets, wiresharking them i can see exactly 512B of data 2015-01-21T12:00:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251210065.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T12:00:51 < karlp> kakeman: re your gpio short circuiting, isn't that what jtag boundary test is for? 2015-01-21T12:00:51 < qyx_> but writing in larger chunks causes lwip to fragment them, it can send 1072B max 2015-01-21T12:01:05 < zyp> qyx_, heh, strange 2015-01-21T12:01:28 < zyp> that should still be far below MTU 2015-01-21T12:02:15 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-21T12:02:26 < qyx_> it seems to be fastest with 512B 2015-01-21T12:02:50 < qyx_> 15mbit is still quite good number for F107 2015-01-21T12:04:32 < qyx_> codez here https://github.com/iqyx/valve-controller/blob/speed_test/fw/main.c 2015-01-21T12:04:39 < qyx_> lets try udp with raw api 2015-01-21T12:04:47 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251211219.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T12:08:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251210065.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-21T12:09:19 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T12:12:54 -!- Intelaida [d5578991@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.137.145] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T12:15:00 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-21T12:15:16 < qyx_> 57700kbit/s sending, 1024B, UDP 2015-01-21T12:16:56 < zyp> I suspect that what makes tcp slow is how much unacked data you have buffers to store 2015-01-21T12:17:11 < qyx_> 59400, somehow i can't get past this 1072B limit 2015-01-21T12:17:12 < zyp> since speed is limited by max unacked data / rtt 2015-01-21T12:17:28 < zyp> you don't have a weird MTU setting? 2015-01-21T12:17:49 < qyx_> no 2015-01-21T12:17:58 < qyx_> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 2015-01-21T12:18:07 < qyx_> and in lwip, i don't know 2015-01-21T12:18:10 < zyp> on the lwip, side of course 2015-01-21T12:18:12 < qyx_> grepping sources 2015-01-21T12:18:30 < zyp> sounds almost like it's 1072 2015-01-21T12:19:05 < qyx_> #define IP_FRAG_MAX_MTU 1500 2015-01-21T12:20:09 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251211219.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T12:20:52 < qyx_> 19mbit using 64B packet size, 23Kpps 2015-01-21T12:21:11 < qyx_> not bad, i assume that F4 would be able to use full 100mbit 2015-01-21T12:22:22 < dongs> very nice 2015-01-21T12:23:46 < qyx_> and this is even using chibios, without context switches between lwip thread and my udp thread it could be faster 2015-01-21T12:25:12 < dongs> Hey Robert. Regarding additional videos. I am looking through our archives of early prototypes where I know we took some decent footage of avoidance etc. When I find these, I will make these available. 2015-01-21T12:26:19 < dongs> However, for Zano, bandwidth isn.t so critical as range might be and the range tests we have done at 2km where using 802.11b at 11mbps and >87% signal strength. 2015-01-21T12:26:22 < dongs> hahaah 2015-01-21T12:26:32 < dongs> 2km 802.11b off a 55gram quadcopter 2015-01-21T12:26:35 < dongs> with pcb antenna 2015-01-21T12:26:44 < dongs> ground-fucking-breaking 2015-01-21T12:27:18 < jpa-> maybe if the groundstation is tracking it with a dish antenna :) 2015-01-21T12:30:01 < dongs> > The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days 2015-01-21T12:30:14 < dongs> he forgot the "living in thier parents basements" part 2015-01-21T12:33:50 < dongs> econdly, battery chemistry is a funny thing. If you draw twice as much current, you typically get less than half as much time. The more you draw, the less capacity the battery has. This is made even worse with low frequency switching electronics like the speed controllers on many cheap small UAV.s. 2015-01-21T12:34:52 < dongs> There bigger and more expensive UAV.s and Zano, use filtering to even out the load on the battery which does have a noticeable albeit small impact of flight time. Zano does one thing more and switches motors out of phase to each other to further even out battery load and prolong the capacity of the battery to deliver. 2015-01-21T12:37:08 < dongs> Regarding motor life. Unlike other quads of the same size, the motors fail due to brush wear, now this is caused as much through arching as it is through friction. We sort a lot of the arching issues out with hardware design and as such have significantly longer motor life. 2015-01-21T12:37:16 < Lux> iirc someone did a range test with a esp8266 module, they got like 350m range with omni antennas and the pcb antenna, but 2km must be a lie 2015-01-21T12:38:00 < Lux> maybe with a very high gain directional antenna on the ground it's possibly 2015-01-21T12:38:04 < Lux> *possible 2015-01-21T12:40:40 -!- Intelaida [d5578991@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.137.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-21T12:41:37 < qyx_> dongs: that out of phase swithing might not be that dumb idea 2015-01-21T12:41:42 < dongs> Absolutely. We have a fully html5 and css3 user interface for one of our UAV.s running on a PHP backend on a LAMP (Linux Apache, MySQL PHP) server. This uses the SDK to render an entire dynamic and smooth UI for your browser. 2015-01-21T12:42:44 < karlp> digital version of OIS? so, not OIS then at all.... 2015-01-21T12:43:23 < qyx_> uhm, are they using brushed motors? 2015-01-21T12:43:27 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T12:43:40 < dongs> what else are you gonna use on a 55gram quad 2015-01-21T12:44:12 < qyx_> they should have innovated something 2015-01-21T12:46:25 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T12:48:13 < dongs> i went to print out all the comments from torquing on their dickstarter page 2015-01-21T12:48:15 < dongs> 162 pages 2015-01-21T12:48:20 < dongs> literally a novel has been written 2015-01-21T12:48:44 < qyx_> why 2015-01-21T12:49:12 < dongs> qyx, i wanna put all the text and links into something that will cross reefence it. show multiple mentions of rarely used words for a topic mapr oseo mthing 2015-01-21T12:49:43 < qyx_> too much time trashed 2015-01-21T12:50:36 < PeterM> dude you can't do this, yu have to work on your pcb revision to keep schedule 2015-01-21T12:51:04 < PeterM> you can't even do the washing up dongs! why are you wasing time? 2015-01-21T12:52:50 < dongs> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6obTnNhsMxJVjZLd0tvdFo5WU0/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-21T12:52:58 < dongs> check this shit out 2015-01-21T12:53:04 < dongs> i can just stick this on lulu/amazon instant printing 2015-01-21T12:53:08 < dongs> its like a fucking book 2015-01-21T12:53:27 < PeterM> has this faggot heard of paragraphs? 2015-01-21T12:54:12 < PeterM> i excuse myself, it isn't right to call him a faggot. he is gramatically challenged 2015-01-21T12:54:42 < PeterM> probably built his office from walls of text6 2015-01-21T12:57:22 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T12:58:55 < zyp> «The marketing around Zano is about taking selfies.» 2015-01-21T12:59:43 < dongs> The only expansion options are to remove the RGB display, this exposes +3v3, GND and a 85mbps SPI channel. 2015-01-21T13:00:06 < zyp> heh 2015-01-21T13:00:36 < zyp> if only it were qspi, it might have been believable 2015-01-21T13:01:03 < dongs> I have a surprise for you :-) We use a small WIFI module that has its own ARM7 processor on board and can run CGI/PERL code directly. This module has direct serial access to the Zano main processor and subsequently the Zano OS. 2015-01-21T13:06:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T13:08:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T13:18:21 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T13:26:08 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T13:26:24 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwjilzfczwournow] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-21T13:31:33 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-21T13:32:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vhjwlbhpcwbhfbex] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T13:35:15 < dongs> We have with a 6" square phased array antenna on 2.4g, controlled our prototype from nearly 2km away. 2015-01-21T13:39:52 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T13:40:00 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-21T13:40:24 < Laurenceb> wut 2015-01-21T13:40:31 < Laurenceb> 6" ... phased array 2015-01-21T13:40:32 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-21T13:40:52 < dongs> We are accessible, accountable, professional and passionate. As time progresses, I am confident we will deliver on all our promises. 2015-01-21T13:41:25 < dongs> We have also done extensive work on the Zano PCB layout, making tracks as wide as possible and as short as possible, all helps maximise efficiency and minimise heat. 2015-01-21T13:44:41 < Laurenceb> http://xavianthaze.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/20-illuminating-performances-from-robin.html 2015-01-21T13:44:55 < Laurenceb> cutting your arm and choking yourself while jacking off is a popular sexual practice amongst elite rich white dudes. This less than macho way to die is also usually covered up by the coroner's verdict. 2015-01-21T13:45:27 < Laurenceb> the troll level is over 9000 2015-01-21T13:46:45 < Laurenceb> "Williams, like other dead celebrities, was murdered by the Illuminati and details of the hit were hidden in a Family Guy episode that revealed his death by suicide before it happened" 2015-01-21T13:46:46 < Laurenceb> lolld 2015-01-21T13:48:32 < Laurenceb> lol the comments 2015-01-21T13:49:31 < Laurenceb> holy fucking lol 2015-01-21T13:49:33 < Laurenceb> http://houseofilluminatiriches.webs.com/ 2015-01-21T13:51:53 < Steffanx> lol dongs, you made that rip off report ? 2015-01-21T13:53:41 < Steffanx> *wrote 2015-01-21T13:54:10 < Laurenceb> I think he wrote that blog 2015-01-21T13:54:17 < dongs> Hey Jens: Yes, Zano has some remarkable capabilities. In the event of a failed motor, Zano can actually reverse the direction of the opposing motor in less than 200ms (fifth of a second). 2015-01-21T13:54:23 < dongs> Laurenceb: ^ attn 2015-01-21T13:54:27 < Laurenceb> lul 2015-01-21T13:56:05 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T13:58:47 < zyp> I fail to see what that's going to achieve 2015-01-21T13:59:16 < Lux> more amaze crashing 2015-01-21T13:59:35 < dongs> The question about range is dependant on the device but please also remember that Zano complies with region by region legislation on the use of UAV's/drones. Technically it is possible to fly Zano over 1km away by using a special antenna however that would not comply with legislation in urban areas in the UK, Australia, USA etc. 2015-01-21T13:59:54 < zyp> if one motor fails and the opposing motor is then used to keep it level, you've lost all yaw authority and it'll spin out of control 2015-01-21T14:00:11 < dongs> right, i.e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHryqnvyYA 2015-01-21T14:01:18 < zyp> okay, you'll probably be able to soften the crash a bit 2015-01-21T14:01:33 < Laurenceb> interesting 2015-01-21T14:01:59 < Lux> there is also a paper explaining it in more detail 2015-01-21T14:03:47 < Lux> outdoor footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421782837&x-yt-cl=84359240&v=ek0FrCaogcs 2015-01-21T14:04:01 < Lux> http://youtu.be/ek0FrCaogcs 2015-01-21T14:05:21 < zyp> not bad 2015-01-21T14:05:38 < dongs> for sure assburgerzano wouldn't be capable of implementing that tho 2015-01-21T14:05:52 < dongs> not ot mention that the stuff doesn't require 'reversing a motor in 200ms' 2015-01-21T14:06:10 < Lux> http://flyingmachinearena.org/wp-content/publications/2014/mueIEEE14.pdf 2015-01-21T14:06:23 < Lux> yeah, that's complete bs 2015-01-21T14:06:25 < dongs> 'or three'? haha 2015-01-21T14:09:43 < dongs> You are blocked from following @FlyZANO and viewing @FlyZANO's Tweets. Learn more 2015-01-21T14:09:47 < dongs> haha 2015-01-21T14:10:09 < Steffanx> busted 2015-01-21T14:10:14 < dongs> achievement ulocked 2015-01-21T14:10:18 < dongs> unlocked, too 2015-01-21T14:11:04 < dongs> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/ZANO-Mini-Swarming-Drone-Funded 2015-01-21T14:15:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T14:16:05 < ReadError> http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ZANO-Torquing-Group/internet/ZANO-Torquing-Group-Ivan-Reedman-Reece-Crowther-ZANO-kickstarter-scam-vaporware-doe-1202412#comment_6 2015-01-21T14:16:13 < ReadError> who is sharing your tweets dongs? 2015-01-21T14:16:20 < dongs> man i wish i could see that fucking site 2015-01-21T14:16:22 < dongs> its blocked from japan 2015-01-21T14:16:26 < dongs> and im to lazy to remote into usa box 2015-01-21T14:16:28 < zyp> wat 2015-01-21T14:16:47 < ReadError> obviously someone here 2015-01-21T14:16:52 < ReadError> logs are atleast 2015-01-21T14:18:02 < jadew> we have a spy 2015-01-21T14:18:41 < Steffanx> no we have public logs 2015-01-21T14:18:51 < Steffanx> Hi all, im DudeC \o/ 2015-01-21T14:18:58 * jadew just picked up a mini-circuits RF mixer from the post office - bought it for $10, because the seller mis-catalogued it as a splitter :D 2015-01-21T14:19:54 < ReadError> Steffanx well what are the odds of someone not here finding them and posting? 2015-01-21T14:20:08 -!- Intelaida [d5578991@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.137.145] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T14:20:12 < jadew> if they're public, pretty high 2015-01-21T14:20:32 < jadew> because they could have googled " scam" 2015-01-21T14:20:54 < jadew> and dongs would be the first result on google 2015-01-21T14:21:09 < dongs> lets try this 2015-01-21T14:21:12 < Steffanx> the logs aren't indexed very well 2015-01-21T14:21:23 < dongs> lol ripoffreport is there 2015-01-21T14:21:34 < Steffanx> even "dongs zano" does show the logs. 2015-01-21T14:22:01 < Steffanx> *doesnt 2015-01-21T14:22:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaKZOLSqBYI 2015-01-21T14:22:56 < Steffanx> "How to spot a Kickstarter scam" > ask Dongs .. isn't that the only good answer to that question without question mark? 2015-01-21T14:23:43 < jadew> or, come here spend an hour on the channel and if dongs doesn't mention it, it's fine :P 2015-01-21T14:24:02 < ReadError> http://askdongs.com/is-zano-legit 2015-01-21T14:24:07 < jadew> haha 2015-01-21T14:24:39 < Steffanx> lol 2015-01-21T14:25:02 < PeterM> i like how just askdongs.com = hell no 2015-01-21T14:25:30 < zyp> http://askdongs.com/is-windows-useful 2015-01-21T14:25:39 < dongs> ^ troll 2015-01-21T14:25:44 < zyp> :D 2015-01-21T14:32:08 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T14:32:25 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T14:33:00 < Laurenceb> I detect auzzi accent 2015-01-21T14:33:10 < Laurenceb> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/SQ-4-RECON-Micro-UAV-AUVSI-Unma 2015-01-21T14:33:38 < dongs> yeah i pasted that 2015-01-21T14:33:44 < dongs> he just uses a bunch of random words 2015-01-21T14:33:46 < dongs> that make no sense 2015-01-21T14:34:11 < PeterM> sounds like a bloody wanker 2015-01-21T14:34:26 < Laurenceb> lol thats not a capped camera 2015-01-21T14:34:58 < Laurenceb> "selective integration" 2015-01-21T14:35:00 < Laurenceb> ROFL 2015-01-21T14:35:31 < Steffanx> oh, you are John and posted some log from here on that scam report website dongs.. 2015-01-21T14:35:43 < Steffanx> or someone else in your timezone 2015-01-21T14:36:00 < Laurenceb> "the integration" 2015-01-21T14:36:05 < Laurenceb> "flying test harness" 2015-01-21T14:36:07 < Laurenceb> yaman 2015-01-21T14:36:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T14:36:34 < Laurenceb> hahaha neural interface 2015-01-21T14:36:42 < dongs> i no rite?? 2015-01-21T14:36:46 < dongs> that guy is just so full of it 2015-01-21T14:37:00 < dongs> Steffanx: i cant evne open that site, never mind posting nayhting on it 2015-01-21T14:37:01 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-21T14:37:03 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-21T14:37:08 < Laurenceb> lol wifi 2015-01-21T14:37:12 < dongs> theres this paranoid dude whos chatting me via bitmessage 2015-01-21T14:37:21 < dongs> i sent him some of the technical impossibiltieis 2015-01-21T14:37:24 < Steffanx> then someone in here IS spying on us. Or at least posting talks from here on that scam report website 2015-01-21T14:38:05 < dongs> Laurenceb: on the scale of 1/10 what would you rate that guys troll capabilities 2015-01-21T14:38:12 < Laurenceb> hehe BCB international ltd 2015-01-21T14:38:21 < Laurenceb> def 10 2015-01-21T14:38:38 < dongs> how about actual capabitlity of delivering a drone 2015-01-21T14:39:00 < dongs> did you dig those 3000kv turnigy motors 2015-01-21T14:39:03 < dongs> and 3blade gWS props 2015-01-21T14:39:26 < Steffanx> How's your lidar going Laurenceb? 2015-01-21T14:39:30 < dongs> and the short sample of it "flying" is totally manual 2015-01-21T14:39:31 < Laurenceb> BCB international, also known as 2015-01-21T14:39:32 < Laurenceb> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/7/8/1247062561244/Only-Fools-and-Horses-001.jpg 2015-01-21T14:39:35 < Steffanx> They need some of your lidar skills 2015-01-21T14:39:46 < Laurenceb> lidar is a pita 2015-01-21T14:39:52 < dongs> Laurenceb: bcb didn't sound very legit 2015-01-21T14:39:54 < Laurenceb> i dunno how to pulse lasers 2015-01-21T14:40:34 < dongs> i mean... their core competence seems to be in military cooking equipment, gloves, etc. 2015-01-21T14:40:37 < dongs> http://www.bcbin.com/products/military.php 2015-01-21T14:40:41 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T14:40:55 < Laurenceb> bushcraft 2015-01-21T14:41:14 < Laurenceb> wtf the KIS thing 2015-01-21T14:41:23 < qyx_> you mean kiss? 2015-01-21T14:41:30 < Laurenceb> http://www.bcbin.com/images/product-theme-kis.jpg 2015-01-21T14:41:52 < qyx_> disco steam generator? 2015-01-21T14:41:58 < qyx_> or how is it called 2015-01-21T14:41:58 < Laurenceb> looks like it 2015-01-21T14:42:58 < Laurenceb> hahahaha 2015-01-21T14:42:59 < Laurenceb> https://web.archive.org/web/20110207191223/http://www.torquinggolf.com/ 2015-01-21T14:43:02 < jpa-> hmm, PN532 protocol is cute.. i can send ACK after received frames but it changes nothing - but apparently it makes the chip happier to know that the data was received 2015-01-21T14:44:53 < Laurenceb> haha wtf dudeA 2015-01-21T14:46:03 < karlp> jpa-: yeah, one of the i2c temp sensors I had does that too 2015-01-21T14:46:54 < jpa-> ack 2015-01-21T14:50:18 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-21T14:54:31 < Steffanx> Happier? As in it will give you a nicer temperature next time or .. how should i interpret "happy"? 2015-01-21T14:56:09 < BrainDamage> happy to see him 2015-01-21T14:58:20 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=282 haha what 2015-01-21T14:59:52 < dongs> Using the full capacity of the PIC32MZ, maximum write speed is 200mbps or 25MB/s as Shaun has stated. (Effectively 4 times 50MHz channels). We have clocked these channels much faster than the data sheet specification without issue so the possibility is there to increase this further. 2015-01-21T14:59:52 < Steffanx> That's a good thing, so people will at least get something to play with. 2015-01-21T15:00:08 < dongs> However, 1080p Video frames stored in MJPEG (every frame stored in one file compressed by JPEG) with decent compression can result in each frame being 150KB, so 30FPS is 4.5MB per second. Our goal will be to maximise write speed, compare each frame to the previous frame and store the changes. 2015-01-21T15:00:14 < dongs> hahahaha what 2015-01-21T15:00:20 < dongs> compare each frame to the previous frame 2015-01-21T15:00:40 -!- Intelaida [d5578991@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.137.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-21T15:01:01 < dongs> The PIC32MZ has 512KB of SRAM, 400KB is what we have allocated to video/photos. If we reduce the frame compression and the frame exceeds 200KB then we will need to dynamically adjust the frame buffer to the full 400KB. This will result in a much higher required bit rate to the SD card as we won't have enough buffer space to compare frames. 2015-01-21T15:01:26 < dongs> what are tehy comparing, compressed jpeg? 2015-01-21T15:02:10 < dongs> Most (>95%) of the processing power of the PIC32MZ is being allocated to video/photo processing. The actual stability, navigation, GPS handling etc is current using less than 1% of processor time leaving quite a bit to work with for the important tasks of video and photography. Communications is also extremely light, if running in heavy burst mode, we are using less than 1% with that as well. This means our current processor overhead without video/photos is less than 2015-01-21T15:04:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-21T15:06:11 < dongs> hahaha 2015-01-21T15:06:12 < dongs> 4. The prototype that was built had a faulty MEMS sensor on it (never seen this particular issue so its a new one to us), on of our production engineers believes it may have been as a result of incorrect package from the supplier and moisture ingress into the MEMS sensor itself. Either way, it isn't working, so we have built a brand new one using another one of out initial 10 prototypes. 2015-01-21T15:06:18 < dongs> it has begun 2015-01-21T15:06:53 < ReadError> they cant swap a sensor? 2015-01-21T15:07:05 < ReadError> kids in china can do that 2015-01-21T15:08:42 < Laurenceb> wtf @ video 2015-01-21T15:08:53 < Laurenceb> mjpeg.. with frame comparison 2015-01-21T15:09:19 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-21T15:09:21 < qyx_> comparing frame 2015-01-21T15:09:22 < qyx_> s 2015-01-21T15:10:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T15:11:14 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/dropkickerblog 2015-01-21T15:11:20 < Laurenceb> time for tweeetur 2015-01-21T15:11:43 < dongs> oh shiiit 2015-01-21T15:11:48 < dongs> doh 2015-01-21T15:11:52 < dongs> hes not active tehre ither 2015-01-21T15:18:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T15:21:21 < dongs> lol BREAKING ZANO NEWS: they hired tom66 to solder thier prototypes 2015-01-21T15:21:41 < Laurenceb> 4realz? 2015-01-21T15:23:45 < dongs> well, who fails a sensor out of 10 boards???? 2015-01-21T15:23:51 < dongs> (tho tom66 woul fail 10/10 2015-01-21T15:27:35 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T15:48:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T15:50:14 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T15:52:34 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T15:53:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-21T15:58:12 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T15:58:43 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T15:59:34 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T16:02:25 < Steffanx> kakeman its time for coffee 2015-01-21T16:22:18 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T16:22:19 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-21T16:22:19 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T16:25:33 < englishman> Laurenceb: how are si446x innovations 2015-01-21T16:26:25 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-21T16:27:31 < Laurenceb> its working lol 2015-01-21T16:27:36 < Laurenceb> some init issues 2015-01-21T16:27:48 < Laurenceb> I need to test uplink - need a hackrf or something 2015-01-21T16:30:09 < englishman> heh, stupid si446x 2015-01-21T16:30:21 < englishman> using pkt handler? 2015-01-21T16:32:15 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-21T16:32:20 < Laurenceb> have you used it? 2015-01-21T16:32:27 < englishman> yeah 2015-01-21T16:32:36 < Laurenceb> do you know if its necessary to read all of the command buffer after each command? 2015-01-21T16:32:54 < englishman> no but you have to clear it to reset some flag 2015-01-21T16:33:15 < englishman> extremely fickle chip 2015-01-21T16:33:15 < Laurenceb> clear it? 2015-01-21T16:33:18 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-21T16:34:19 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2015-01-21T16:35:27 < englishman> let me see my rx code 2015-01-21T16:36:19 < englishman> yes need to send clear fifo command 2015-01-21T16:37:10 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-21T16:37:18 < Laurenceb> thats for reading fifo, something different 2015-01-21T16:37:36 < englishman> oh command buffer 2015-01-21T16:37:38 < englishman> sorry, its coming back to me 2015-01-21T16:37:42 < englishman> no you dont 2015-01-21T16:37:43 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T16:37:48 < Laurenceb> ok thanks 2015-01-21T16:37:56 < englishman> but i set up an api 2015-01-21T16:38:00 < englishman> with lengths and stuff 2015-01-21T16:38:02 < englishman> so it always does 2015-01-21T16:38:16 < Laurenceb> yeah - for the field 1,2,3 etc stuff 2015-01-21T16:38:18 < englishman> pretty fast spi, wanst an issue for me 2015-01-21T16:38:19 < englishman> yeah 2015-01-21T16:38:24 < Laurenceb> i set zero in rx length? 2015-01-21T16:38:36 < Laurenceb> in the rx mode command? 2015-01-21T16:38:49 < englishman> ? 2015-01-21T16:38:54 < englishman> start_rx? 2015-01-21T16:39:00 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-21T16:39:29 < englishman> ah i didnt 2015-01-21T16:39:48 < englishman> but if its zero, it uses another register for length 2015-01-21T16:40:09 < Laurenceb> yeah aiui it does 2015-01-21T16:40:57 < englishman> i had fixed pkt length (or predetermined) so it was simpler for me 2015-01-21T16:41:06 < Laurenceb> yeah me too 2015-01-21T16:41:15 < Laurenceb> but I want to use CRC as well 2015-01-21T16:43:34 < englishman> yes then you need to set up pkt_len and pkt_field and shit 2015-01-21T16:44:12 < englishman> imo start with basic shit and add on stuff later 2015-01-21T16:47:07 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T16:49:36 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c 2015-01-21T16:49:53 < Laurenceb> I have a state machine - line 410+ 2015-01-21T16:52:12 < Laurenceb> TX is 50 baud RTTY via USART3 2015-01-21T16:52:28 < Steffanx> y u no enummed your states Laurenceb? 2015-01-21T16:52:41 < Laurenceb> cuz too lazy to come up with names 2015-01-21T16:53:06 < Laurenceb> but yeah I need to do that + use defines for the GPIO and peripherals 2015-01-21T17:07:01 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-229.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T17:13:27 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T17:17:07 < dongs> guys i want to record 1080p30 to SD card on STM32, but the catch is I want to compare each encoded jpeg frame with previous frame by binary comparison is that a good idea??? 2015-01-21T17:20:26 < PeterM> no, an hero 2015-01-21T17:24:45 < Laurenceb> trollin 2015-01-21T17:24:50 < scrts_w> :)) 2015-01-21T17:25:07 < Laurenceb> they need the ASIC out of GoPro 2015-01-21T17:25:32 < scrts_w> what do you want to do? 2015-01-21T17:25:38 * scrts_w currently works with video processors 2015-01-21T17:26:02 < dongs> scrts_w: However, 1080p Video frames stored in MJPEG (every frame stored in one file compressed by JPEG) with decent compression can result in each frame being 150KB, so 30FPS is 4.5MB per second. Our goal will be to maximise write speed, compare each frame to the previous frame and store the changes. 2015-01-21T17:26:34 < scrts_w> you wish... 2015-01-21T17:26:35 < Laurenceb> they need this 2015-01-21T17:26:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.ambarella.com/uploads/docs/A7LS-Brief-121713.pdf 2015-01-21T17:26:52 < scrts_w> well, might be possible, but the quality would be so crappy... 2015-01-21T17:26:53 < PeterM> what dongs is trying to say is he should have gotten a mobius 2015-01-21T17:27:08 < scrts_w> 120Mbps is more reasonable 2015-01-21T17:27:26 < dongs> but that won't work on my PIC32MZ @ 200MHz :( 2015-01-21T17:27:49 < scrts_w> try ardumbino! 2015-01-21T17:28:02 < Laurenceb> or Ambarella H1 2015-01-21T17:28:04 < dongs> Laurenceb: the guy just admitted all his "autonoumous" nav code is using 1% of 200Mhz 2015-01-21T17:28:07 < Laurenceb> iirc thats in the GoPPro4 2015-01-21T17:28:13 < dongs> can you say complementary filter and no nav routines?? 2015-01-21T17:28:14 < dongs> lol 2015-01-21T17:28:17 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T17:28:34 < Laurenceb> yeah I maxed out an F1 with simple kalman 2015-01-21T17:28:35 < dongs> Most (>95%) of the processing power of the PIC32MZ is being allocated to video/photo processing. The actual stability, navigation, GPS handling etc is current using less than 1% of processor time leaving quite a bit to work with for the important tasks of video and photography. 2015-01-21T17:28:50 < dongs> 'important tasks' 2015-01-21T17:28:59 < Laurenceb> Taulabs Kalman stuff uses a big fraction of an F4 2015-01-21T17:29:19 < PeterM> dongs, he's takin DJIs route, it doesnt matter if it crashes, so long as it can take video 2015-01-21T17:29:43 < scrts_w> dongs: so they're supplying 1080p30 to PIC32? Really? 2015-01-21T17:30:10 < Laurenceb> worse than that, transcoding 2015-01-21T17:30:13 < PeterM> and if its not fast enough they're going to try overclock it iirc 2015-01-21T17:30:35 < dongs> scrts_w: camera has onboard jpeg encoder 2015-01-21T17:30:44 < Laurenceb> GoPro can run Lua scripts 2015-01-21T17:30:44 < dongs> they've got a ~8bit parallel bus from camera sensor to pic 2015-01-21T17:30:47 < Laurenceb> or be rooted 2015-01-21T17:30:57 < scrts_w> ok, so let's say omnivision allows that 2015-01-21T17:30:59 < Laurenceb> why dont they try hacking a gopro as flight computer 2015-01-21T17:31:04 < Laurenceb> that should get them started 2015-01-21T17:31:15 < scrts_w> but it won't perform 1080p30 2015-01-21T17:31:30 < scrts_w> could be lower resolution or less frames 2015-01-21T17:31:41 < scrts_w> do you know what imager they're using? 2015-01-21T17:31:50 < dongs> ov5640 2015-01-21T17:31:50 < scrts_w> I have access to omnivision and aptina 2015-01-21T17:32:03 < PeterM> scrts_w: nah that just wont do, eneed to then send that encoded video over wifi from the pic to a phone 2015-01-21T17:32:15 < dongs> i downloaded soem china datasheet , it had enough info about jpeg stuff but not much detail 2015-01-21T17:32:24 < Laurenceb> who cares 2015-01-21T17:32:39 < dongs> https://www.leopardimaging.com/uploads/LI-OV5640-MIPI-AF_SPEC.pdf these guys give fps specs @ jpeg encoder, it does do 1080p30 apparently, no idea at what quality and shit 2015-01-21T17:32:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-21T17:32:44 < dongs> they recommend using mipi for anything serious 2015-01-21T17:33:16 < scrts_w> we are using YUV parallel for 1200x960p30 2015-01-21T17:33:23 < Laurenceb> if Rpi had documentation that could use it 2015-01-21T17:33:23 < scrts_w> anything beyond that erquires MIPI 2015-01-21T17:34:13 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-21T17:36:28 < scrts_w> still not convincing that PIC32 is capable of doing that stuff 2015-01-21T17:36:40 < scrts_w> does it have SDRAM connected? 2015-01-21T17:36:44 < scrts_w> or any other memory? 2015-01-21T17:37:44 < PeterM> nah, 2015-01-21T17:37:56 < dongs> scrts_w: no 2015-01-21T17:37:58 < dongs> 512k sram 2015-01-21T17:38:01 < dongs> lols 2015-01-21T17:38:12 < dongs> that they're using 400k out of to do double-buffering-compare-faggotry 2015-01-21T17:38:17 < dongs> so 200k/frame max 2015-01-21T17:38:26 < dongs> receive from imager, compare to previous frame, save diff 2015-01-21T17:38:28 < qyx_> high quality photo 2015-01-21T17:38:30 < dongs> (binary compary) 2015-01-21T17:38:53 < dongs> qyx, i did some tests, 1080p gets around 150-200k/frame at like 60% compression 2015-01-21T17:38:56 < dongs> er 60% quality 2015-01-21T17:38:58 < scrts_w> ok so let's say you need to store 1920x1080 with 8 bits per pixel, that's 16.58Mbits? :) 2015-01-21T17:39:00 < dongs> for like simple frames 2015-01-21T17:39:11 < dongs> scrts_w: its already compressed to jpeg by the sensor 2015-01-21T17:39:12 < scrts_w> ah, compressed stuff... 2015-01-21T17:39:17 < scrts_w> forgot that already 2015-01-21T17:39:19 < dongs> 150-200k/frame max 2015-01-21T17:39:23 < Laurenceb> compressed diff 2015-01-21T17:39:25 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-21T17:39:26 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T17:39:29 < Laurenceb> how can that work 2015-01-21T17:39:32 < dongs> it doesnt 2015-01-21T17:39:33 < qyx_> cant 2015-01-21T17:39:37 < dongs> thats the point 2015-01-21T17:39:39 < qyx_> dongs: uh 60% 2015-01-21T17:39:41 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T17:39:46 < qyx_> am i gonna look at squares? 2015-01-21T17:39:49 < dongs> hte fact that he even mentioned that on a public fucking forum 2015-01-21T17:39:53 < dongs> qyx, basically 2015-01-21T17:40:04 < dongs> qyx_: + vibrating camera platform + outdoor (grass, etc) = lol 2015-01-21T17:40:51 < qyx_> i would like to know how are they going to do that stabilization 2015-01-21T17:40:55 < qyx_> without decompressing stuff 2015-01-21T17:41:01 < dongs> qyx, they can't 2015-01-21T17:41:12 < dongs> well, his current claim is 2015-01-21T17:41:13 < qyx_> although those omnivision things have hardware winwoding 2015-01-21T17:41:15 < dongs> they're using data from "imu" 2015-01-21T17:41:20 < dongs> to move hardware window 2015-01-21T17:41:25 < qyx_> yes 2015-01-21T17:41:29 < qyx_> but huh 2015-01-21T17:41:30 < dongs> i don't think thats going to work anywhere near usefulness 2015-01-21T17:41:36 < dongs> cuz thats just x/y movement 2015-01-21T17:41:37 < dongs> you dont rotate it 2015-01-21T17:41:59 < gxti> stand back, i know matrix transforms 2015-01-21T17:42:07 < dongs> o ya????????????????????????? 2015-01-21T17:42:15 < qyx_> on dct + huffman data? 2015-01-21T17:42:18 < qyx_> nice matrices 2015-01-21T17:42:27 < gxti> ololol 2015-01-21T17:43:44 < qyx_> my spi doesn't clock 2015-01-21T17:43:51 < dongs> ask Laurenceb 2015-01-21T17:43:53 < dongs> hes spi pro 2015-01-21T17:44:19 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-21T17:45:06 < qyx_> git blame on libopencm3 code instantnyl 2015-01-21T17:45:13 < qyx_> who wrote that example code 2015-01-21T17:45:31 < qyx_> of course it doesn't work 2015-01-21T17:48:46 < karlp> my shit? or can I laugh at something else with you? 2015-01-21T17:48:55 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=283bDqu92PY 2015-01-21T17:49:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T17:49:27 < Laurenceb> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/buddy_III/p1050599.jpg 2015-01-21T17:49:41 < Laurenceb> loldongs 2015-01-21T17:50:00 < dongs> wats this 2015-01-21T17:50:04 < qyx_> karlp: not yours, spi_init_master expects SPI_CR1_BAUDRATE_FPCLK_DIV_2 but example lists simply 1000000 2015-01-21T17:50:10 < Laurenceb> New breed of Putin soldiers! While americans are testing some stupid imitation of a dog for being a mule to hault american soldiers cargo... here we see the real thing riding a combat vehicle! 2015-01-21T17:50:20 < dongs> haha 2015-01-21T17:50:56 < qyx_> is that ps/2 keyboard connector? 2015-01-21T17:51:14 < Laurenceb> ok that thing is scary 2015-01-21T17:51:19 < Laurenceb> but it doesnt do much 2015-01-21T17:51:39 < PeterM> not does it do it fast 2015-01-21T17:51:45 < PeterM> *nor 2015-01-21T17:52:48 < Steffanx> that guy just builds his robots with the junk he has. 2015-01-21T17:53:05 < Laurenceb> who? Putin? 2015-01-21T17:53:36 < Steffanx> your mom 2015-01-21T17:55:14 < dongs> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Uiyh08xOai0/VLYRlAsb2PI/AAAAAAAAF-c/ZtkXK8NHBow/s2560/IMG_20150114_115213.jpg 2015-01-21T17:57:14 < karlp> oh yeah, I saw that one recently, I think I even filed a bug to fix it, I didn't have time at the time. 2015-01-21T17:57:23 < karlp> you're not the only person to have hit that :( 2015-01-21T18:03:07 < dongs> At 20 mph, I would think near 10 miles up? If the ZANO flies up at 20 mph and retains enough power to hover, take a picture, free fall and then complete a safe landing I am thinking a safe height of 8 miles would be possible? That means over 42,200 feet. 2015-01-21T18:04:19 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=143&start=10#p3186 2015-01-21T18:04:19 < dongs> haha 2015-01-21T18:04:21 < dongs> ivan replied 2015-01-21T18:08:23 < PeterM> it was a worthless reply too 2015-01-21T18:09:02 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-21T18:09:17 < dongs> hysteresis coomprssion what 2015-01-21T18:11:55 < emeb> buzzword the buzzword 2015-01-21T18:14:37 < PeterM> say "no im not sure i do understand, i see a lot of different words each with their own unique meaning but somehow you've managed to arrange them in such a way they say nothing meaningful at all" 2015-01-21T18:14:56 < dongs> haha, well, that's not a QUESTION tho 2015-01-21T18:15:01 < dongs> see, they don't reply to non-questions 2015-01-21T18:15:06 < dongs> thats one of hte rules. 2015-01-21T18:15:14 < dongs> lemme find teh definition 2015-01-21T18:15:36 < PeterM> add to the end of it, "would you care to explain it again but with a little mroe detail?" 2015-01-21T18:15:46 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-229.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-21T18:15:47 < dongs> If you have genuine questions of our company or it's history, please head on over to the forums at torquinggroup.com/forum/ and we'll be more than happy to answer any questions, in as much detail as you like! 2015-01-21T18:16:28 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vhjwlbhpcwbhfbex] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-21T18:16:32 < PeterM> at worst you get get a dubious quote generator... 2015-01-21T18:17:09 < dongs> A detective from the Nevada state police was on the scene within half an hour, he filed a police report, which I have requested be posted to me. I will be more than happy to publish this report when I receive it! 2015-01-21T18:17:19 < karlp> what now? 2015-01-21T18:17:33 < dongs> oh thats old. their laptop at ces was stolen 2015-01-21T18:17:36 < Laurenceb> who is zendomax? 2015-01-21T18:17:38 < dongs> thats why they couldn't "fly" 2015-01-21T18:17:39 < dongs> Laurenceb: me 2015-01-21T18:17:46 < dongs> i got ipbanned 2015-01-21T18:17:49 < dongs> +accountbanned 2015-01-21T18:17:52 < dongs> had to make a new one 2015-01-21T18:17:53 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T18:28:19 < qyx_> ok, my spi is meh 2015-01-21T18:28:23 < qyx_> TXE never gets cleared 2015-01-21T18:30:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.94.42] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T18:34:22 < dongs> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/video/news/ces-2015-attack-zano-nano-drones 2015-01-21T18:34:23 < dongs> haha 2015-01-21T18:34:26 < dongs> they're trolling everyone 2015-01-21T18:42:37 < dongs> do you think lantronix is open at 8.45am 2015-01-21T18:42:58 < dongs> Hours: 6:00am - 5:00pm Pacific Time 2015-01-21T18:42:58 < dongs> Mon. - Fri. (excluding holidays) 2015-01-21T18:42:59 < dongs> damn. 2015-01-21T18:43:03 < dongs> 6am??! 2015-01-21T18:43:06 < dongs> are tehy outsourcing to india 2015-01-21T18:44:45 < dongs> wut 2015-01-21T18:44:49 < dongs> their shit is just for home crap 2015-01-21T18:45:26 < dongs> all our tech support representatives are currently assisting other callers 2015-01-21T18:48:11 < qyx_> karlp: is there any known working spi master code? 2015-01-21T18:50:48 < dongs> asking lantronix 2015-01-21T18:50:51 < dongs> for benchmarks 2015-01-21T18:50:53 < dongs> of xpico wifi 2015-01-21T18:50:59 < dongs> on the line with some tech dude 2015-01-21T18:51:06 < dongs> i wonder if he can find shit now, or if hes gonna tell me to call back later or meail me later. 2015-01-21T18:51:08 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-21T18:51:26 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T18:51:32 < englishman> in it for the long troll 2015-01-21T18:52:53 < Tectu> time to slap somebody 2015-01-21T18:54:36 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T18:54:50 < dongs> done 2015-01-21T18:55:20 < dongs> FAE will be in contact wiht me shortly 2015-01-21T18:55:24 < dongs> with benchmarks 2015-01-21T18:58:55 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T19:00:30 < englishman> dongs none of your fucking hashtag tweets show up on the hashtag page 2015-01-21T19:01:16 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T19:01:17 < dongs> i dont know why 2015-01-21T19:01:19 < dongs> fucking racist 2015-01-21T19:01:24 < englishman> Have you confirmed your email address? Make sure you have completed your account set-up and that you have a confirmed email address associated with it. 2015-01-21T19:01:27 < dongs> yes 2015-01-21T19:01:54 < Laurenceb> GNAA 2015-01-21T19:01:58 < englishman> Are your name and bio filled in? Twitter people search surfaces results with preference to those users who have a complete name, username, and bio on their profile. Please note that it may take a few days for changes to your profile information to be reflected in search. 2015-01-21T19:02:11 < dongs> aha 2015-01-21T19:02:20 < englishman> First, check your profile settings to make sure your Tweets are publicly available: 2015-01-21T19:02:35 < englishman> http://www.quora.com/Why-dont-my-tweets-show-in-hashtag-feeds 2015-01-21T19:03:59 < dongs> Your email address timecop+twater@gmail.com has already been confirmed. 2015-01-21T19:04:09 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T19:04:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-21T19:04:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T19:04:46 < Laurenceb> is there a way to soft reset µSD cards? 2015-01-21T19:04:57 < Laurenceb> using spi commands 2015-01-21T19:05:05 < dongs> nope 2015-01-21T19:05:19 < Laurenceb> lolfail 2015-01-21T19:06:15 < GargantuaSauce> might be autoflagged as a spam account because its only been around for a couple days and has posted a bunch of links maybe? 2015-01-21T19:06:18 < dongs> 2) New or Low Activity Account: 2015-01-21T19:06:19 < dongs> You might not yet have tweeted much, thus not looking like a legitimate account or your account might be brand-new. 2015-01-21T19:06:53 < Laurenceb> call yourself ChedEvans 2015-01-21T19:09:30 < dongs> Laurenceb: shut up and follow my twatter so i look more legit 2015-01-21T19:09:37 < gxti> Laurenceb: sd cards are dumb crap so you should add a pfet to turn the vdd off to reset them 2015-01-21T19:09:46 < Getty> so.... the Edison marketing is mostly targetting the "Edison Arduino Kit" as it seems..... 2015-01-21T19:09:55 < Laurenceb> I see 2015-01-21T19:09:57 < dongs> how do I gpio via i2c expander 2015-01-21T19:10:01 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-21T19:10:13 < Getty> oh yeah sure, i get a giant CPU with GPIO.... to attach to a stupid CPU with GPIO..... makes sense 2015-01-21T19:10:31 < englishman> twitter is all about spam 2015-01-21T19:11:02 < dongs> of course 2015-01-21T19:11:21 < Getty> twitter is ok, the spam must be under 140 chars ;) 2015-01-21T19:11:52 < GargantuaSauce> its not spam if it makes THEM money!1 2015-01-21T19:12:35 < englishman> dongs i bought a riglol mso 2015-01-21T19:12:36 < dongs> 8==========================================================================================================================================D 2015-01-21T19:12:47 < dongs> here's y our twitter-approved spam 2015-01-21T19:12:53 < dongs> englishman: cool, which one 2015-01-21T19:13:04 < Getty> i need to tweet that now 2015-01-21T19:13:05 < englishman> mso1074z 2015-01-21T19:13:16 < dongs> e> 70mhz 2015-01-21T19:13:17 < dongs> wat 2015-01-21T19:13:24 < Getty> https://twitter.com/raudssus/status/557949049018777600 2015-01-21T19:13:26 < Getty> so ;) 2015-01-21T19:13:34 < dongs> Getty: did it fit exactly 2015-01-21T19:13:39 < dongs> and why are you not following MY twitter yet 2015-01-21T19:13:39 < Getty> yes! 2015-01-21T19:13:44 < englishman> unlock to 100m 2015-01-21T19:13:48 < Getty> what is yours? 2015-01-21T19:13:52 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy 2015-01-21T19:14:14 < Getty> LOL totally active? ;) 2015-01-21T19:14:53 < dongs> it will be soon! 2015-01-21T19:14:55 < Getty> you just started with twitter? ;) a bit late for the show! 2015-01-21T19:15:06 < dongs> i'm preparing for my twitter IPO 2015-01-21T19:15:12 < Getty> but i think it fits perfect for you, packing your wisdom in 140 chars 2015-01-21T19:15:19 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-21T19:15:26 < Getty> (so we dont need to read more) 2015-01-21T19:15:29 * Getty runs 2015-01-21T19:16:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T19:17:10 < ReadError> maybe you need to buy some followers 2015-01-21T19:18:52 < dongs> pfft 2015-01-21T19:19:26 < dongs> k bedtime, 2am, enough zano trollin for today. 2015-01-21T19:19:39 < dongs> gotta flash 1k boards tomrorow 2015-01-21T19:19:39 < dongs> fuck 2015-01-21T19:19:46 < emeb> yay? 2015-01-21T19:20:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-21T19:20:30 < emeb> finally sent to fab: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stbone/index.html 2015-01-21T19:20:54 < emeb> only been sitting on that for the last 8mo 2015-01-21T19:23:47 < gxti> ah nice 2015-01-21T19:24:08 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T19:25:03 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T19:25:15 < emeb> wanted to do something with ethernet 2015-01-21T19:25:31 < emeb> got the waveshare stuff so I could confirm one way that works. 2015-01-21T19:26:06 < Getty> emeb: LEDs of the ethernet port....... just telling you, you will remember once you are there ;) 2015-01-21T19:26:27 * Getty will send out first 100 devices with very awkward LED behaviour 8-) 2015-01-21T19:26:27 < emeb> Getty: enigmatic much! 2015-01-21T19:26:32 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T19:26:57 < Getty> we still dont know whats the problem but we dont have time to fix it now and the customer literally doesnt care 2015-01-21T19:27:12 < emeb> I triple-checked that the LEDs were right. What did you find? 2015-01-21T19:27:44 < Getty> well if i disconnect the cable the activity LED is flashing like a flashlight 2015-01-21T19:27:54 < Getty> if i connect it i just get LED on network activity 2015-01-21T19:28:04 < emeb> LAN8720A? 2015-01-21T19:28:07 < Getty> and the "link" LED is not working at all anymore even tho that worked on the board before 8-) 2015-01-21T19:28:29 < Getty> AEHM, STM32F107 with the same network chip that is on the STM32F107 EVAL-C board, and actually the same wiring ;) 2015-01-21T19:28:45 < Getty> TI, i dont know the number of the chip 2015-01-21T19:29:02 < emeb> Right - the ST eval boards use a different PHY 2015-01-21T19:29:15 < emeb> This one has its own oddness. 2015-01-21T19:29:23 < Getty> we ACTUALLY just used that one cause we needed reference and the EVAL board is reference we had so... you get where i am coming from 2015-01-21T19:29:42 < emeb> Yep. 2015-01-21T19:29:42 < Getty> we could replace it with something else on the next production line 2015-01-21T19:29:57 < Getty> orbetter not.... 2015-01-21T19:29:59 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-21T19:30:06 < Getty> just making that LEDs right..... 2015-01-21T19:30:20 < emeb> This one uses the LED connections to strap some power-up behavior 2015-01-21T19:30:22 < Getty> a bit shameful but seriously: we got so many real problems that those cosmetic problems look like a joke ;) 2015-01-21T19:30:42 < emeb> and theoretically inverts as required. 2015-01-21T19:31:08 < emeb> and the Waveshare demo board I got doesn't make sense. 2015-01-21T19:31:25 < emeb> so I followed the datasheet rather than the Waveshare schematic 2015-01-21T19:31:44 < gxti> never had any problems with the LED on the micrel part i'm using 2015-01-21T19:32:08 < Getty> well with the ATXMEGA and the ENC before it was working perfect 2015-01-21T19:32:23 < Getty> we CAN make LED right... (which is now superfunny cause we make a LED controlling device.... DOH!) 2015-01-21T19:32:27 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-21T19:33:01 < emeb> derp 2015-01-21T19:37:31 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0af27b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T19:41:08 < Getty> ok.... lwIP httpd i am coming! 2015-01-21T19:41:16 * Getty puts on war-gear 2015-01-21T19:41:50 < emeb> I did the ST lwip httpd example 2015-01-21T19:41:53 < emeb> worked fine 2015-01-21T19:42:20 < emeb> about 90kB - 60kB of which is web-page data 2015-01-21T19:42:29 < Getty> yeah well always depends on what you need ;) 2015-01-21T19:42:37 < Getty> yeah.... i have rewrite that i have my own webpage data concept 2015-01-21T19:43:04 < englishman> ethernet enabled led controlling device? 2015-01-21T19:43:06 < englishman> sounds cool 2015-01-21T19:43:07 < emeb> I added a makefile target to regenerate the data 2015-01-21T19:43:21 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-21T19:43:32 < Getty> englishman: we sell those also for reseller :) right now we made this for this one guy and he is like greedy to get it (100er series) 2015-01-21T19:43:34 < emeb> since it's got a ROM fs 2015-01-21T19:43:51 < Getty> englishman: we will then make more series for him of it, and another smaller LED controller with buttons only (ATMEGA128) 2015-01-21T19:44:14 < Getty> but we can also produce them for other people if they dont are related to aquaristic ;) 2015-01-21T19:44:53 < Getty> XT60 connector for the high power, can handle 20A (and more), 8 LED to control 2015-01-21T19:45:06 < Getty> RTC for the time.... nice thing 2015-01-21T19:45:18 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-21T19:45:39 < englishman> oh its for aquariums? 2015-01-21T19:45:40 < englishman> cool 2015-01-21T19:45:52 < englishman> german pal has a nice automated setup with web interface and shit 2015-01-21T19:45:56 < Getty> http://imgur.com/a/5Q9ZH 2015-01-21T19:46:03 < Getty> englishman: i know them all ;) 2015-01-21T19:46:12 < Getty> englishman: i _MADE_ one... whcih didnt sold :( www.aquariumhive.com 2015-01-21T19:46:31 < Getty> i got 3 prototypes... i am using one for controlling a RGB LED stripe..... just cause its there 2015-01-21T19:46:53 < englishman> 525eur wow 2015-01-21T19:47:20 < Getty> yeah well we orientated by the enemy who has far less features for 900 EUR 2015-01-21T19:47:30 < englishman> https://aquariumhive.com/img/teamlev.jpg 2015-01-21T19:47:37 < englishman> green hair, right 2015-01-21T19:47:52 < Getty> yeah he is not there anymore ;) i am the one in the middle 2015-01-21T19:47:57 < Getty> the full crazy on 2015-01-21T19:47:57 < Getty> e 2015-01-21T19:48:01 < englishman> taht was my 2nd guess 2015-01-21T19:48:15 < englishman> nice shirt 2015-01-21T19:48:30 < Getty> i only got tv show shirts..... 2015-01-21T19:48:37 < englishman> what's the competing product? 2015-01-21T19:48:58 < Getty> against aquariumhive? 2015-01-21T19:49:04 < Getty> that would be GHL aquariumcomputer.com 2015-01-21T19:49:04 < englishman> ya 2015-01-21T19:49:16 < Getty> very classical product line, with windows software 2015-01-21T19:49:19 < Getty> they JUST start making cloud 2015-01-21T19:49:23 < englishman> their website has more whitespace, no wonder its selling 2015-01-21T19:49:29 < Getty> but we could have made better (i am coming from cloud web development bla bullshit area) 2015-01-21T19:49:33 < emeb> wouldn't have guessed that aquarium lighting was such a big deal. interesting. 2015-01-21T19:49:33 < Getty> LOL 2015-01-21T19:49:43 < Getty> well..... thats the problem 2015-01-21T19:49:47 < Getty> its "a deal" 2015-01-21T19:49:47 < englishman> emeb as much as for weed production, maybe more 2015-01-21T19:49:57 < englishman> doubly so if your tanks have plants 2015-01-21T19:50:03 < Getty> like..... many people buy GHL cause of the controlling element but just also wants then nice light 2015-01-21T19:50:05 < emeb> grow lights? 2015-01-21T19:50:12 < Getty> so they dont spend the money on the light just on the controlling 2015-01-21T19:50:16 < Getty> GHL is a pure rip off 2015-01-21T19:50:20 < Getty> you have to pay extra for every shit 2015-01-21T19:50:23 < englishman> also aquariums are often display pieces and need to look nice 2015-01-21T19:50:39 < Getty> most iontrest came from the breeder 2015-01-21T19:50:42 < emeb> seems like a possible app for WS2812 parts 2015-01-21T19:50:45 < Getty> they want a cheap solution 2015-01-21T19:50:48 < Getty> FishHive.com ;) 2015-01-21T19:50:53 < emeb> those things are pretty bright... 2015-01-21T19:50:59 < englishman> wavelength is important too tho 2015-01-21T19:51:06 < Getty> but also those wre not really into giving cash they wanted it cheap, best free 2015-01-21T19:51:10 < Getty> the m arket is HUGE but not rich of money 2015-01-21T19:51:13 < englishman> typical breeders 2015-01-21T19:51:29 < Getty> for breeders the light is btw crucial 2015-01-21T19:51:32 < Getty> more light => more fuck 2015-01-21T19:51:57 < Getty> but trhat is as simple as it is: they dont need CONTROL they just need REALLY bright light 2015-01-21T19:55:44 < Getty> i know now everything about that topic........... like really 2015-01-21T20:05:00 < qyx_> what does that aquarium thing do 2015-01-21T20:05:04 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T20:05:38 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T20:07:29 < Getty> taking values doing stuff with them 2015-01-21T20:07:50 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-21T20:07:52 < Getty> it controls power (via gembird usb) has webinterface and blabla... its aquarium, very boring ;) 2015-01-21T20:08:14 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-21T20:09:02 < Getty> messuring PH, Redux and stuff.... 2015-01-21T20:09:19 < qyx_> when i see that xt60 dyi-level connector 2015-01-21T20:09:32 -!- Intelaida [d557866f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.134.111] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T20:09:48 -!- Intelaida [d557866f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.134.111] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-21T20:10:28 < Getty> qyx: what then? :) actually we checked for a connector who can handle enough power and that was the only direction that made sense 2015-01-21T20:10:40 < Getty> if you got other suggestions, we are open, the xt60 handle 60A 2015-01-21T20:10:52 < qyx_> your pcb will fry at 60amps 2015-01-21T20:11:00 < Getty> yes of course ;) 2015-01-21T20:11:21 < qyx_> and besides that there are wago clamps for awg10 for example 2015-01-21T20:11:33 < Getty> what do they handle? 2015-01-21T20:11:41 < Getty> and how expansive are they? 2015-01-21T20:11:42 < qyx_> 40amps or so iirc 2015-01-21T20:11:50 < Getty> the XT60 are 1 EUR for a pair 2015-01-21T20:11:58 < qyx_> if you are selling a product for ~500e 2015-01-21T20:12:02 < Getty> no 2015-01-21T20:12:03 < Getty> 100 2015-01-21T20:12:11 < Getty> 100er productions 2015-01-21T20:12:24 < qyx_> its just meh 2015-01-21T20:12:52 < qyx_> like doing super pro hardware and placing arduino shield socket on it 2015-01-21T20:13:15 < Getty> the customer actually likes it especially that the connector is so widely avaiable on the market 2015-01-21T20:13:29 < qyx_> or doing mil grade octocopter and using rc lipo packs with hanging wires 2015-01-21T20:13:31 < Getty> (on the consumer market) 2015-01-21T20:13:47 < Getty> hey link me up to those you suggest, and i will look up 2015-01-21T20:14:06 < qyx_> search for wago clamps on farnell/dk/mouser or whatever 2015-01-21T20:14:16 < qyx_> i spend whole day last time finding suitable connectors 2015-01-21T20:14:18 < qyx_> *spent 2015-01-21T20:14:36 < Getty> i think the little connectors of us are wago 2015-01-21T20:15:06 < qyx_> yes, 16A 2015-01-21T20:15:11 < qyx_> there are also cheap 25A versions 2015-01-21T20:15:27 < qyx_> and you certainly do not need 25A 2015-01-21T20:15:31 < Getty> wait wait, you dont mean that clamp clamp system, or? 2015-01-21T20:15:38 < Getty> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31q%2B7ISr8mL._SL500_AA300_.jpg 2015-01-21T20:15:51 < qyx_> no 2015-01-21T20:15:56 < Getty> i thought so just wanted to be sure ;) 2015-01-21T20:16:18 < qyx_> http://www.designworldonline.com/uploads/Imagegallery/WAGO-804-Series-Push-Button-PCB-Terminal-Blocks.jpg 2015-01-21T20:16:22 < qyx_> i men those 2015-01-21T20:16:24 < qyx_> *mean 2015-01-21T20:16:56 < Getty> yeah wait, we exactly dont wanted that 2015-01-21T20:17:21 < Getty> the target was specific to supply the consumers with "stick together", so they get the power supply directly with the xt60 and the device with the xt60 connector, stick in, done 2015-01-21T20:17:50 < Getty> and if they dfont want to use our power supply they can buy own xt60 and solder them to their alternative power supply 2015-01-21T20:18:20 < Getty> (beside that there is a small power connector on the other side, also fitting to our power supply but fits like all stuff in) 2015-01-21T20:18:27 < qyx_> why are you using screw terminals then 2015-01-21T20:18:34 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-21T20:20:24 < Getty> thats because our customer decided that they can do this themself, the big problem was always the power supply for the people, the LEDs are less a big deal for that 2015-01-21T20:20:33 < Getty> in _my_ plan i also said: attach the connectors directly to the LEDs 2015-01-21T20:20:54 < Getty> but thats then a cost thing, he sells at low margin and doesnt want to go higher in price for adding the connector to all LED even if they dont use our device 2015-01-21T20:20:59 < Getty> so.... yeah tricky situation 2015-01-21T20:22:11 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T20:23:50 -!- INtelaida [d557866f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.134.111] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T20:24:32 -!- INtelaida [d557866f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.134.111] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-21T20:53:00 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T20:54:04 < jadew> lmfao: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sonicable-the-world-s-most-advanced-charging-cable 2015-01-21T20:54:09 < jadew> dongs ^ 2015-01-21T20:54:40 < jadew> an USB cable with a switch to disconnect the data lines 2015-01-21T20:56:18 < jadew> When the switch is OFF: Its like a normal USB cable, charge and sync. 2015-01-21T20:56:18 < jadew> When the switch is ON: All of the power is focused on charging, sync/data is disabled. 2015-01-21T20:56:52 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T21:06:51 < Simon--> that's nuts 2015-01-21T21:07:52 < Lux> insane, 200k for that shit 2015-01-21T21:08:10 < jadew> and there are 34 days left lol 2015-01-21T21:10:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T21:10:47 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-21T21:10:54 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T21:11:50 < Getty> Dual Sided USB? that exist? and still not every cable use those?... 2015-01-21T21:16:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-21T21:22:35 < qyx_> okay, 200B/s writing speed to flash memory cannot be considered success 2015-01-21T21:22:58 < Getty> huehue 2015-01-21T21:22:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T21:24:10 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T21:28:30 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-229.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T21:45:04 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T21:48:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.94.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T21:54:35 < kakeman> is cortex-m1 anything? 2015-01-21T21:57:14 < zyp> yes 2015-01-21T21:57:18 < zyp> fpga softcore 2015-01-21T21:57:32 < zyp> same ISA as cortex-m0 2015-01-21T22:00:56 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-01-21T22:02:07 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-229.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-21T22:09:22 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T22:29:40 -!- DanteA [~X@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T22:30:38 -!- DanteA [~X@akawolf.org] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-21T22:33:51 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-21T22:42:20 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T22:45:21 < kakeman> antivirus is pissing me off 2015-01-21T22:45:42 < zyp> get some antiantivirus then 2015-01-21T22:46:27 < kakeman> it was running arm-gcc in screening mode 2015-01-21T22:47:01 < kakeman> and didn't tell about it until it was about done 2015-01-21T22:48:02 < kakeman> it was screening debugger and didn't tell about it 2015-01-21T22:49:39 < kakeman> douchebag antivirus 2015-01-21T22:50:35 < Laurenceb__> arm-gcc is a virus 2015-01-21T22:50:48 < kakeman> basically 2015-01-21T22:51:48 < Getty> all part of those terrorist operation systems with black screen 2015-01-21T22:52:08 < kakeman> shieet 2015-01-21T22:52:21 < kakeman> antivirus went mad 2015-01-21T22:52:47 < Getty> think about a bool flip on "infected, remove directly!" and "clean" ;) 2015-01-21T22:53:14 < kakeman> gcc caused some kind of loop 2015-01-21T22:53:27 < kakeman> it's just kept investigating forever 2015-01-21T22:58:12 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-21T22:58:27 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T22:58:45 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-21T22:58:45 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:00:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-21T23:10:26 -!- MjrTom [MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:10:58 < Laurenceb__> so David Carradine gives me an idea for Kickstarter 2015-01-21T23:11:11 < Laurenceb__> an automated noose winch 2015-01-21T23:11:19 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:11:29 < Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carradine#Death 2015-01-21T23:11:37 < Steffanx> Whoa, Laurenceb__ is talking with ghosts? Totally something for ks 2015-01-21T23:11:47 < kakeman> is there any way to retrive chip with swd if your code fails? 2015-01-21T23:11:56 < Laurenceb__> kill ? 2015-01-21T23:12:21 < zyp> run 2015-01-21T23:12:25 < zyp> will restart it 2015-01-21T23:12:27 -!- stormbytes [~textual@173-22-8-161.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:12:49 < stormbytes> looking to get my feet wet in ARM, so.. figured i'd ask here: should i get a dev board for stm32 or tiva-c ? 2015-01-21T23:12:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:13:14 < Steffanx> stm32 2015-01-21T23:13:14 < zyp> I'd say stm32 2015-01-21T23:13:19 < stormbytes> i've played around with PIC, arduino, rpi, that's about it 2015-01-21T23:13:26 < zyp> but we're kinda biased 2015-01-21T23:13:26 < kakeman> if I use ISP pin 2015-01-21T23:13:35 < BrainDamage> you'll get a totally unbiased answer by asking in ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:13:35 < kakeman> should I get swd back 2015-01-21T23:13:36 < kakeman> ? 2015-01-21T23:13:52 < stormbytes> ok, why stm32 over Ti's MPS430, Tiva-C, etc? 2015-01-21T23:13:56 < Laurenceb__> what did you expect us to say 2015-01-21T23:13:59 < kakeman> let's try 2015-01-21T23:14:02 < BrainDamage> msp430 is not arm 2015-01-21T23:14:07 < zyp> stormbytes, MSP430 is easy, it's shit 2015-01-21T23:14:11 < stormbytes> sorry, scratch that 2015-01-21T23:14:34 < stormbytes> what, if any are the main diffs between Tiva-C & STM32's ? 2015-01-21T23:14:39 < BrainDamage> one of the biggest selling points of stm32 is that they are cheap, and the dev boards too 2015-01-21T23:14:45 < zyp> I've only barely touched tiva, when it was still called LM4F 2015-01-21T23:15:17 < kakeman> stormbytes: first of all. cortex core 2015-01-21T23:15:22 < zyp> my experience from LM4F was that it seemed overall ok, except the USB peripheral was shit 2015-01-21T23:15:25 < Steffanx> and was still luminary zyp? 2015-01-21T23:16:06 < stormbytes> how's the toolchain? support? 2015-01-21T23:16:22 < zyp> any cortex-m would use the same toolchain 2015-01-21T23:16:44 < zyp> and I'm personally not interested in vendor libs from any vendor 2015-01-21T23:17:23 < stormbytes> i've only known mplan + arduino iDE 2015-01-21T23:17:24 < kakeman> it worked. ISP pin down and swd is back 2015-01-21T23:17:28 < stormbytes> sorry, mpLab 2015-01-21T23:17:46 < stormbytes> so does stm offer a compiler? 2015-01-21T23:17:58 < zyp> no, neither does ti 2015-01-21T23:18:15 < zyp> you either use gcc or keil 2015-01-21T23:18:25 < zyp> (or maybe iar if you're weird) 2015-01-21T23:18:36 < stormbytes> tiva-c has an arduino-like IDE 2015-01-21T23:18:43 < stormbytes> i forget what its called 2015-01-21T23:19:07 < zyp> yeah, which probably just bundles gcc 2015-01-21T23:19:28 < stormbytes> indeed 2015-01-21T23:19:48 < stormbytes> so, where do you get gcc for STM32? 2015-01-21T23:20:05 < zyp> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded 2015-01-21T23:20:16 < zyp> that one is appropriate for any cortex-m, including tiva 2015-01-21T23:21:46 < stormbytes> hah! that's the one from Tiva-C I referred to... its called Tiva Launchpad 2015-01-21T23:22:02 < zyp> no, it's completely unrelated 2015-01-21T23:22:05 < stormbytes> so bascialy they are just bundling GNUs compiler? 2015-01-21T23:22:17 < zyp> launchpad.net is a code hosting site 2015-01-21T23:22:21 < BrainDamage> really, there's no reason to associate an ide or a compiler to a platform 2015-01-21T23:22:53 < BrainDamage> just use what you want, and if you never had experience with interfacing with toolchains before, it'll be learning experience too 2015-01-21T23:23:42 < stormbytes> BrainDamage I used my own txt editor with ino (arduino) rather then their clunky IDE -- if that's what you mean by interfacing with a toolchain 2015-01-21T23:23:46 < Roklobsta> i am trying to get code::blocks working with it 2015-01-21T23:24:01 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-21T23:24:03 < Roklobsta> it seems like a light and decent IDE that works with gdb 2015-01-21T23:24:13 < zyp> stormbytes, see, that's the point 2015-01-21T23:24:30 < zyp> you don't want vendor supplied clunky IDEs 2015-01-21T23:24:50 < kakeman> stormbytes: have you concidered nxp lpc? 2015-01-21T23:25:02 < stormbytes> kakeman never heard of either 2015-01-21T23:25:14 < zyp> have you considered atmel sam? 2015-01-21T23:25:16 < zyp> efm32? 2015-01-21T23:25:20 < zyp> etc… 2015-01-21T23:25:27 < zyp> there's tons of cortex-m options 2015-01-21T23:25:38 < stormbytes> i'm looking at this board but its awfully expensive http://www.mikroe.com/easymx-pro/stm32/ 2015-01-21T23:26:02 < kakeman> stm32 is really the easy way 2015-01-21T23:26:11 < zyp> uh, that looks silly 2015-01-21T23:26:36 < zyp> rather buy one of the waveshare devboard packages if you want something comprehensive and flexible 2015-01-21T23:26:42 < Roklobsta> start with a discovery kit 2015-01-21T23:27:00 < stormbytes> Roklobsta i'm also thinking that... cheaper then anything else 2015-01-21T23:27:09 < kakeman> easy,cheat,fast 2015-01-21T23:27:13 < kakeman> cheap 2015-01-21T23:27:30 < Roklobsta> i have a discovery L1 here. cortextm3, LCD, touch sensors. $30 delivered to my door. 2015-01-21T23:27:32 < stormbytes> so google STM32 discovery? 2015-01-21T23:27:41 < stormbytes> holy crap thats cheap 2015-01-21T23:27:45 < BrainDamage> yeah, if you want an lcd or a button matrix you can always wire yourself 2015-01-21T23:27:51 < Roklobsta> that was from element14 too 2015-01-21T23:28:01 -!- MjrTom [MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-21T23:28:04 < kakeman> it's like under an hour to get it going I think 2015-01-21T23:28:05 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:28:10 < zyp> http://www.wvshare.com/column/STM32_DevelopmentBoard.htm <- the «open» series here is nice 2015-01-21T23:28:13 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-21T23:28:26 < BrainDamage> the stlink onboard isn't the nicest programmer/debugger out there 2015-01-21T23:28:30 < BrainDamage> but it gets you started 2015-01-21T23:28:36 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@72.183.123.165] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:28:45 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@72.183.123.165] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-21T23:28:45 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:29:00 < Roklobsta> ST have a nice big library to driver their peripherals but you can use libopencm3 too 2015-01-21T23:29:11 < BrainDamage> also, since you're coming from arduino world, having a proper debugger will be a radical experience ... 2015-01-21T23:29:34 < stormbytes> gonna check that out zyp, thanks 2015-01-21T23:30:05 < Roklobsta> stormbytes: the discovery boards have the JTAG USB debugger built in too. no moe serial cable crap 2015-01-21T23:30:10 < Roklobsta> arduino is menta 2015-01-21T23:30:11 < Roklobsta> l 2015-01-21T23:30:18 < Roklobsta> worst IDE ever 2015-01-21T23:30:24 < stormbytes> indeed 2015-01-21T23:31:02 < Roklobsta> still you could have got an Atmel Dragon JTAG debugger cheap and used the fre atmelstudio 2015-01-21T23:31:39 < stormbytes> there are so many discovery kits 2015-01-21T23:31:39 < stormbytes> http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/stmicroelectronics-stm32-kits/1495?WT.srch=1&WT.medium=cpc&WT.mc_id=IQ72619299-VQ2-g-VQ6-53968145115-VQ15-1t1-VQ16-c 2015-01-21T23:32:42 < BrainDamage> get the F4 discovery 2015-01-21T23:32:43 < zyp> buy them all ;) 2015-01-21T23:32:56 < Roklobsta> depends on what you want to do. the L1 board seems like a good replacement for any kind of AVR project that isn't attiny 2015-01-21T23:33:02 < zyp> I think I have most of the newer ones 2015-01-21T23:33:26 < BrainDamage> the only one you shouldn't get is the VL 2015-01-21T23:33:51 < BrainDamage> it mounts an old st-link chip firmware which require some crap because it abuses the usb protocol 2015-01-21T23:34:09 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:34:16 < stormbytes> my head's exploding 2015-01-21T23:34:34 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0af27b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-21T23:34:44 < zyp> BrainDamage, how many discovery boards are there now actually? 2015-01-21T23:35:22 < zyp> I have F4, F3, F0, L1, F429, F072 and L0 2015-01-21T23:35:30 < zyp> I know I don't have VL 2015-01-21T23:35:33 < zyp> are there more? 2015-01-21T23:35:57 < Steffanx> yes http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/LN1848?icmp=ln1848_pron_pr-stm32f446_dec2014&sc=stm32discovery-pr 2015-01-21T23:36:08 < stormbytes> i'm trying to find docs on the F4 but just coming up with digikey's site 2015-01-21T23:36:17 < zyp> ah, that's a nice list 2015-01-21T23:36:30 < BrainDamage> the st site is written by monkeys on LSD 2015-01-21T23:36:35 < BrainDamage> so it's normal 2015-01-21T23:37:32 < zyp> so apparently I'm missing F3348, F401, F411 and L100 2015-01-21T23:37:57 < zyp> hmm, or was L100 the original L1 board? 2015-01-21T23:38:18 < BrainDamage> no, the original L1 had an lcd 2015-01-21T23:38:34 < BrainDamage> which is the L152 2015-01-21T23:38:36 < zyp> yeah, that's the one I have 2015-01-21T23:39:02 < zyp> ah F3348 is the one with switching power stuff 2015-01-21T23:39:18 < BrainDamage> "gonna catch 'em all" 2015-01-21T23:39:44 < zyp> F401 and F411 looks like F4, just with a different part 2015-01-21T23:40:10 < stormbytes> st's "marketing" is about as user-friendly as the latin liturgy 2015-01-21T23:40:12 < zyp> and L100 just looks boring 2015-01-21T23:40:33 < zyp> stormbytes, who cares about marketing? read the technical datasheets instead 2015-01-21T23:41:21 < stormbytes> walk -> run 2015-01-21T23:41:44 < stormbytes> need to establish some sort of contexts for the platform, chips, families, differences, etc 2015-01-21T23:42:00 < stormbytes> it would be nice if they had an overview of their offering 2015-01-21T23:42:09 < zyp> sure, it's here: http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169?sc=stm32 2015-01-21T23:43:30 < stormbytes> the way the information is presented is a first-class disaster. I had to magnify the page by a factor of 4x just to read the text 2015-01-21T23:44:33 < stormbytes> compare that page with this: http://www.ti.com/tool/ek-tm4c123gxl 2015-01-21T23:45:01 < zyp> I don't see how a product page compares to an overview page 2015-01-21T23:45:24 < zyp> I mean, ST have product pages too: http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF252419 2015-01-21T23:45:32 < stormbytes> i'm just saying, to me, st's site is completely unusable 2015-01-21T23:45:48 < stormbytes> ok that's a little better 2015-01-21T23:46:39 < stormbytes> stuff like this should be front-and-center, its funny how large companies miss this sort of thign 2015-01-21T23:49:03 < stormbytes> i can't see any real difference between Tiva-C's discovery kit and ST's 2015-01-21T23:49:40 < zyp> did you expect to find any? 2015-01-21T23:49:56 < zyp> or rather, what differences did you expect to see? 2015-01-21T23:51:30 < stormbytes> honestly I had no idea what to expect -- i've zero experience with either. My only exposure was to TIva-c through a project we worked on last eyar 2015-01-21T23:51:31 < stormbytes> year 2015-01-21T23:51:41 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2015-01-21T23:51:58 < zyp> any cortex-m mcu is going to be a bunch of peripherals slapped onto a cortex-m cpu core 2015-01-21T23:52:22 < zyp> and they are all going to have the same basic stuff; timers, uarts, spi, i2c and so on 2015-01-21T23:52:42 < stormbytes> so then, what real difference is there between ti & st? 2015-01-21T23:52:46 -!- abc_ [524834a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.72.52.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:52:57 -!- abc_ [524834a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.72.52.160] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-21T23:52:58 < zyp> who gets your money 2015-01-21T23:52:58 -!- beanbag [~beanbag@75-151-253-121-Pennsylvania.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-21T23:52:59 < stormbytes> i mean, if its production, price that sort of thing is fine too 2015-01-21T23:52:59 < beanbag> http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1325355& 2015-01-21T23:53:16 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2015-01-21T23:53:27 < stormbytes> fair enough :) 2015-01-21T23:53:44 < zyp> consider this; what's the difference between having an intel cpu or an amd cpu in your computer? 2015-01-21T23:54:35 < BrainDamage> the periferials they add to the chip make a difference, and any eventual lib they supply for 2015-01-21T23:54:48 < zyp> yep 2015-01-21T23:54:52 < BrainDamage> buuut the latter tend to suck 2015-01-21T23:55:11 < BrainDamage> and for some specific instances, the first too 2015-01-21T23:55:12 < zyp> but the peripherals are largely equivalent in features too 2015-01-21T23:55:30 < BrainDamage> yeah, there's a set of features that are super common 2015-01-21T23:55:35 < BrainDamage> can, i2c,spi, adc, etc 2015-01-21T23:55:45 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-21T23:55:57 < stormbytes> the question assumes familiarity with the general context of processors, etc 2015-01-21T23:56:03 < zyp> the differences will only appear when you start comparing specific features 2015-01-21T23:56:27 < zyp> e.g. atmel and nxp have parts with built in high speed usb transceivers, st and ti doesn't 2015-01-21T23:56:28 < stormbytes> i don't know very much at all about AMR chips, but.. i just realized i have my old tiva-c launchpad board (thought we chucked it) 2015-01-21T23:57:13 < stormbytes> i can deduce that the differences become more pronounced with additional experience and application-specific reqs 2015-01-21T23:57:39 < zyp> if high speed usb is something you need, that's a thing that might influence the decision 2015-01-21T23:58:02 < zyp> but on general basis it's hard to pick one vendor as better than others 2015-01-21T23:58:21 < stormbytes> that's fair 2015-01-21T23:58:40 < stormbytes> right now i'm just looking to get my feet wet and to begin to understand the ARM ecosystem 2015-01-21T23:59:00 < zyp> one reason I like stm32 is because they have a wide selection of parts, targetting anything from low cost or low power to high performance 2015-01-21T23:59:30 < zyp> and the peripherals are largely the same between the families, so knowledge carries over 2015-01-21T23:59:37 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-21T23:59:54 < zyp> I'm not sure how TI is in that regard --- Day changed Thu Jan 22 2015 2015-01-22T00:00:27 < stormbytes> TI seems to have a lot by way of entry-level material for beginners, which afaic is pretty relevant 2015-01-22T00:00:37 < zyp> not to me :) 2015-01-22T00:00:44 < stormbytes> understandably :) 2015-01-22T00:01:08 < stormbytes> i think i'll start with the board i have (didn't realize i still had it) 2015-01-22T00:01:23 < stormbytes> play with it, then come here to harass you guys with my questions ;) 2015-01-22T00:01:44 < zyp> bear in mind that this is not a TI support channel 2015-01-22T00:01:46 < stormbytes> i take it there's a tiva support channel somewhere as well? 2015-01-22T00:01:52 < zyp> no idea 2015-01-22T00:02:01 < stormbytes> fair enough ;) will keep it in mind 2015-01-22T00:02:09 < stormbytes> thanks for the help 2015-01-22T00:03:34 < zyp> I'm not sure this is a stm32 support channel either, this is more like #people-who-use-stm32-but-mostly-spend-time-talking-shit-about-unrelated-stuff 2015-01-22T00:04:58 < beanbag> haha 2015-01-22T00:05:05 < Getty> which is fine! offtopic is cool! 2015-01-22T00:05:36 < Getty> but seriously, one of ST here wouldbe cool, just for the sake of 2015-01-22T00:05:42 < Getty> i mean... how many are working at ST? 2015-01-22T00:06:12 < zyp> I used to work for ST-Ericsson, if that counts 2015-01-22T00:06:30 < Getty> on the other hand, if he would reveal himself i would probably tell him every day that the examples are horrible, just for the sake of 2015-01-22T00:08:17 < Roklobsta> zyp every channel is like that 2015-01-22T00:09:18 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcvuauvnbyjrdufg] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T00:10:17 < englishman> stormbytes: thanks to awesome tools like keil, that are backed by st examples that "just work" on their devboards, and awesome debugging, st is pretty nice to get started with 2015-01-22T00:10:27 < englishman> theres some shit that sucks but i guess that's inevitable 2015-01-22T00:11:23 < stormbytes> from what i've seen, st seems to be geared towards experienced makers/engineers. I haven't come across anything on their site that seems fitting for beginners 2015-01-22T00:11:29 < englishman> also, even cheap chips have tons of handy periphs 2015-01-22T00:11:50 < englishman> nucleo is just for that, though new 2015-01-22T00:11:58 < BrainDamage> i have a friend that works for st and did optimizations on the power supply part of the f2, i constantly mock him about it :p 2015-01-22T00:11:58 < englishman> even had arduino pattern shit 2015-01-22T00:12:34 < Laurenceb__> any here done datalinks with si446x? 2015-01-22T00:12:58 < Laurenceb__> I'm wondering if I need to fiddle with the Rx filter / CIC filter stuff 2015-01-22T00:13:07 < BrainDamage> Roklobsta: not every channel, i'm in few channels with strict ontopic rules, wander off and you get banned fast 2015-01-22T00:13:12 < englishman> stormbytes: when you want to graduate from ancient retarded arduino garbage, and actually write stuff instead of copypasting, then st is nice 2015-01-22T00:13:23 < Roklobsta> i wonder what the payback is for supporting the hobby market? Does it translate after 5-10 years to people having jobs that order 10,000's parts? 2015-01-22T00:14:13 < BrainDamage> i think arduino was the first example of large scale hobby market that connected with industry 2015-01-22T00:14:14 < englishman> imo thats part of why ti is so successful 2015-01-22T00:14:21 < englishman> a nice samples/hobby program 2015-01-22T00:14:31 < englishman> get em hooked young, like a dealer 2015-01-22T00:14:40 < englishman> then later on in life, they have their sources in mind 2015-01-22T00:15:22 < englishman> same with st and free/dirt cheap devboards instead of $50 or $150 2015-01-22T00:15:23 < gxti> that, and building a 'community' around your products might not help directly but it does make it more likely that commercial users might be inclined to pick it just out of familiarity and access to libs and example code to copypasta 2015-01-22T00:15:51 < BrainDamage> enterprise quality code 2015-01-22T00:15:58 < gxti> haha yeah right 2015-01-22T00:16:02 < gxti> everything is shit 2015-01-22T00:16:03 < Getty> real men have own boards ;) 2015-01-22T00:16:26 < Getty> its no fun until your Network LEDs go crazy! 2015-01-22T00:25:25 -!- beanbag [~beanbag@75-151-253-121-Pennsylvania.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-22T00:45:59 < Laurenceb__> omg tarduino 2015-01-22T00:46:00 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Yveaux/RadioHead/blob/master/RadioHead/RH_RF24.cpp 2015-01-22T00:49:16 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2015-01-22T01:00:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-22T01:10:37 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T01:11:57 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRGhIS2hwTnV1clE/view?usp=sharing getting it going 2015-01-22T01:12:28 < kakeman> next ntc dividers to celsius 2015-01-22T01:27:46 < ds2> zyp: were you involved with the STM32 seminars? 2015-01-22T01:31:44 < zyp> hmm? 2015-01-22T01:33:11 < ds2> zyp: was wondering if I ever saw you at those seminars since you worked for them 2015-01-22T01:33:29 < zyp> uh, I said ST-Ericsson 2015-01-22T01:33:40 < zyp> they never had anything to do with STM32 2015-01-22T01:33:44 < ds2> what's the difference? 2015-01-22T01:34:03 < ds2> <--- lost regarding the names used for ST* 2015-01-22T01:34:06 < zyp> daughter company, joint venture with Ericsson 2015-01-22T01:34:27 < ds2> oh... thought they were the same thing 2015-01-22T01:34:35 < ds2> what is the company name that does the STM32? 2015-01-22T01:34:51 < zyp> that would be ST itself, I guess 2015-01-22T01:35:34 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-22T01:35:44 < ds2> I see 2015-01-22T01:36:11 < ds2> is ST the proper name or is that shortened? I recall there used to be a SGS Thompson 2015-01-22T01:36:19 < zyp> I have no idea 2015-01-22T01:36:24 < ds2> (kind of like TI is really Texas Instruments) 2015-01-22T01:37:20 < zyp> ah, ST is the product of a merger between SGS and Thomson 2015-01-22T01:37:47 < zyp> as per wikipedia: «At the time of the merger the company was known as SGS-THOMSON but took its current name in May 1998 following the withdrawal of Thomson SA as an owner.» 2015-01-22T01:38:06 < zyp> current proper name is STMicroelectronics 2015-01-22T01:38:14 < Laurenceb__> heh 2015-01-22T01:38:24 < Laurenceb__> lsusb says SGS-Thomson 2015-01-22T01:39:31 < ds2> hmmm 2015-01-22T01:39:35 < dongs> < jadew> dongs ^ 2015-01-22T01:39:41 < dongs> jadew: i linked this like few days ago 2015-01-22T01:40:55 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-182-24.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-22T01:41:35 < Laurenceb__> has anyone used si446x here? 2015-01-22T01:41:44 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-22T01:53:43 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-22T01:55:30 < Laurenceb__> this is horrifying 2015-01-22T01:55:31 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Yveaux/RadioHead/blob/master/RadioHead/RH_RF24.cpp 2015-01-22T01:55:46 < Laurenceb__> set all the properties 2015-01-22T01:57:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T01:57:19 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-22T01:57:50 < Steffanx> / This list also generated with convert.pl <3 2015-01-22T01:58:36 < Laurenceb__> I'm gunna do it by hand 2015-01-22T01:59:07 < Laurenceb__> a lot of it is ok with the default config, but it _seems_ that the whole Rx path needs to be configured 2015-01-22T01:59:12 < Laurenceb__> bit of a pita 2015-01-22T02:00:51 < Steffanx> stealing tarduino code Laurenceb__? 2015-01-22T02:01:13 < Laurenceb__> nah screw this horrifying mess 2015-01-22T02:01:19 < Laurenceb__> ill use WDS 2015-01-22T02:01:27 < Laurenceb__> pity it doesnt boot under wine 2015-01-22T02:21:05 < kakeman> is there any use of using byte instead of 32bit variable? 2015-01-22T02:21:25 < kakeman> with cortex-m 2015-01-22T02:21:29 < kakeman> 3 2015-01-22T02:23:29 < kakeman> or using word 2015-01-22T02:23:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T02:24:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T02:25:19 < gxti> huh 2015-01-22T02:25:45 < Laurenceb__> cortex has byte based addressing 2015-01-22T02:25:47 < Laurenceb__> so yes 2015-01-22T02:26:05 < Laurenceb__> iirc old skool arm you may as well use 32 bit for everything? 2015-01-22T02:26:19 < zyp> what are you talking about? 2015-01-22T02:26:57 < kakeman> so mem goes by 32addressing but core operation level can pick individual byte? 2015-01-22T02:27:31 < zyp> of course it can 2015-01-22T02:28:11 < zyp> for reads, it grabs a whole 32 bits, and then just picks out the 8 you want 2015-01-22T02:28:19 < zyp> for writes, there are byte lane enables 2015-01-22T02:28:39 < kakeman> does it happen in same time than 32bit? 2015-01-22T02:28:53 < zyp> of course 2015-01-22T02:29:19 < zyp> what you want to avoid is unaligned reads/writes 2015-01-22T02:29:28 < kakeman> how about words? 2015-01-22T02:29:33 < zyp> i.e. multi-byte read/writes that crosses a 32-bit boundary 2015-01-22T02:29:54 < kakeman> why? 2015-01-22T02:30:01 < kakeman> cycles? 2015-01-22T02:30:02 < zyp> because those will either get decomposed into two operations or outright fail 2015-01-22T02:30:03 < gxti> use your imagination, kakeman 2015-01-22T02:30:14 < zyp> depending on whether your platform supports unaligned operations 2015-01-22T02:30:25 < gxti> also 'word' means 32bit in ARM land because it's the native word size. if you mean 16bit accesses, yes you can do that too. 2015-01-22T02:30:28 < zyp> m3/m4 does, m0 doesn't 2015-01-22T02:35:45 < kakeman> so anything can be done safely with m3 2015-01-22T02:37:45 < zyp> actually, I think it's a vendor option 2015-01-22T02:38:06 < kakeman> do you prefer to use all 32 when there is plenty of memmory? 2015-01-22T02:38:24 < zyp> for what? 2015-01-22T02:38:48 < gxti> write whatever you feel is the appropriate size and let the compiler figure it out 2015-01-22T02:38:59 < gxti> it's not going to allocate unaligned variables unless you force it to 2015-01-22T02:39:54 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-22T02:39:55 < zyp> yeah, small types will usually be padded anyway 2015-01-22T02:40:09 < kakeman> padded as using 32? 2015-01-22T02:40:25 < kakeman> pointer size allocation? 2015-01-22T02:40:27 < gxti> yes, but if you have multiple small vars they can be packed together 2015-01-22T02:41:39 < kakeman> gcc is smarter than me anyways 2015-01-22T02:42:48 < zyp> speed enters the question when you consider overflows 2015-01-22T02:44:05 < zyp> when you're doing stuff that might have different results depending on the data type, the compiler have to mask the result to match your type size 2015-01-22T02:46:38 < zyp> consider bool foo(T x, T y) { return x + y; } 2015-01-22T02:47:24 < zyp> if T is 32-bit, that's a simple add, and then make a return value from the zero flag 2015-01-22T02:47:53 < zyp> if T is 8-bit, you'll have to mask the result 2015-01-22T02:48:08 < zyp> since a result of 0x100 also will be zero 2015-01-22T02:48:29 < zyp> but this is microoptimalizations 2015-01-22T02:49:21 < zyp> you shouldn't care about stuff like that until you have a reason to optimize 2015-01-22T02:49:52 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-22T02:49:58 < zyp> in general you can use 32-bit for any short term variables since they'll mostly live in registers anyway 2015-01-22T02:50:09 < zyp> and use whatever makes sense for long term variables 2015-01-22T02:52:17 < kakeman> that's useful tip 2015-01-22T02:52:34 < kakeman> got the point there 2015-01-22T02:52:39 < kakeman> thanks 2015-01-22T02:54:24 < englishman> Laurenceb__: what are you failing at now 2015-01-22T02:58:50 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T03:01:10 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T03:10:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-22T03:16:52 < Laurenceb__> englishman: the rx chain 2015-01-22T03:17:00 < Laurenceb__> check my github 2015-01-22T03:17:04 < englishman> link pl0x 2015-01-22T03:17:15 < Laurenceb__> am i doing it right? do you have to use WDS to setup all the filter config? 2015-01-22T03:17:22 < englishman> github.com/bestmlpfan/ 2015-01-22T03:17:32 < englishman> yes 2015-01-22T03:17:32 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c 2015-01-22T03:17:39 < Laurenceb__> eww horrible 2015-01-22T03:17:45 < englishman> yes 2015-01-22T03:17:56 < englishman> so much undocumented shit 2015-01-22T03:18:03 < englishman> you dont have to use their code tho just their settings 2015-01-22T03:18:10 < englishman> so blob it up 2015-01-22T03:18:16 < englishman> shove into spi 2015-01-22T03:18:16 < englishman> done 2015-01-22T03:18:29 < englishman> add comments accordingly 2015-01-22T03:18:35 < Laurenceb__> yeah 2015-01-22T03:18:40 < Laurenceb__> including MODEM_CHFLT_RX1_CHFLT_COE1_7_0 ? 2015-01-22T03:18:44 < Laurenceb__> thats horrible 2015-01-22T03:18:50 < englishman> yep 2015-01-22T03:19:08 < englishman> large polynomials there 2015-01-22T03:19:21 < Laurenceb__> ok 2015-01-22T03:19:26 * Laurenceb__ zzz 2015-01-22T03:19:29 < Laurenceb__> thanks for the help 2015-01-22T03:19:37 < englishman> hit me up whenever 2015-01-22T03:20:56 < englishman> oh frequency setting is super dumb 2015-01-22T03:21:03 < englishman> if you want a frequency channel setup 2015-01-22T03:21:04 < qyx_> my bootloader overflown past 16K :/ 2015-01-22T03:21:12 < qyx_> has 2015-01-22T03:21:13 < englishman> its not easy like si443x 2015-01-22T03:22:36 < gxti> qyx_: anything in particular about 16K? compatibility, or code protection, or it just makes you feel bad? 2015-01-22T03:22:52 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-22T03:24:18 < qyx_> i feel bad and i need to allocate another 16K sector for it 2015-01-22T03:24:44 < gxti> sector in what sense? 2015-01-22T03:24:46 < qyx_> or trash malloc and printf-like stuff, which should free 4K 2015-01-22T03:24:48 < qyx_> sector on stm32 2015-01-22T03:24:57 < gxti> erase page? 2015-01-22T03:25:01 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-22T03:25:04 < gxti> f0? 2015-01-22T03:25:08 < qyx_> f401 2015-01-22T03:25:17 < gxti> hrm, f107 uses 2k 2015-01-22T03:25:19 < qyx_> 16, 16, 16, 16, 64, 128 2015-01-22T03:25:32 < gxti> those are the erase pages?! 2015-01-22T03:25:38 < gxti> sounds more like code protection 2015-01-22T03:26:11 < qyx_> i would be confused now if i wasn't giving those numbers to erase functions 2015-01-22T03:26:24 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcvuauvnbyjrdufg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-22T03:26:59 < gxti> that's dumb. on f107 it's a uniform 2k. there's something like that for protecting pages, which i don't use because i trust my code to not wipe itself out... 2015-01-22T03:27:24 < gxti> also because i put the bootloader at the end (except for the first page) 2015-01-22T03:27:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-22T03:27:47 < qyx_> no point in putting it at the end here 2015-01-22T03:27:53 < qyx_> 16K trashed anyway 2015-01-22T03:27:56 < gxti> guess not 2015-01-22T03:28:07 < gxti> see i thought i was super clever but i guess it won't work on f4! 2015-01-22T03:28:29 < qyx_> but this is F401, maybe other F4s have it different 2015-01-22T03:29:04 < qyx_> 3.3 section in the RM, only sector and mass erase 2015-01-22T03:29:11 < qyx_> 6 or 8 sectors (128K or 256K) 2015-01-22T03:36:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T03:36:22 < qyx_> cli help is 4K :( 2015-01-22T03:39:50 < dongs> i remember someone in here was talking about sd card writes stalling (due to controller processing stuff or someshti), might have been Laurenceb__ 2015-01-22T03:40:09 < dongs> like it would write fast for x times/seconds then become slow(er) then back to normal sleep 2015-01-22T03:40:12 < dongs> er speed 2015-01-22T03:40:22 < qyx_> i experienced the same thing 2015-01-22T03:40:41 < qyx_> but it wasn't me 2015-01-22T03:42:13 < dongs> Fastest Data Logging? With SD Card? - Page 2 - Arduino Forum 2015-01-22T03:42:13 < dongs> forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=98898.15 2015-01-22T03:42:17 < dongs> yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2015-01-22T03:42:25 < englishman> sounds like buffer filling up 2015-01-22T03:42:48 < dongs> ..pls mind an sdcard can have ~250ms writing latency, so you need a buffer where you can store 250ms worth of data.. sdcard is not a linear memory you can push data at given rate into.. if you need a data logger for submicroseconds events you must know: 2015-01-22T03:42:55 < dongs> 250ms, where is that number from i wonder 2015-01-22T03:43:00 < dongs> he does haev a lot of posts 2015-01-22T03:43:08 < dongs> maybe he knows waht hes talking about !!!! 2015-01-22T03:43:08 < englishman> on forum.arduino.cc 2015-01-22T03:43:11 < dongs> yes 2015-01-22T03:43:18 < dongs> so quite legit 2015-01-22T03:43:30 < qyx_> yes, seems sane 2015-01-22T03:43:36 < englishman> you have 15000 posts on encyclopediadramatica, you must know what you're talkinga bout 2015-01-22T03:43:54 < englishman> 250ms is amazingly long 2015-01-22T03:44:12 < dongs> zano will be dropping frames :( 2015-01-22T03:44:30 < dongs> SADPANDA 2015-01-22T03:45:03 < qyx_> lto saved another 1K 2015-01-22T03:46:51 < qyx_> dumb idea here 2015-01-22T03:47:11 < qyx_> decompress itself to sram \o/ 2015-01-22T03:48:16 < gxti> sure why not 2015-01-22T03:48:53 < qyx_> meh, lzma can do 17K->10K 2015-01-22T03:48:56 < qyx_> not much optimization 2015-01-22T03:49:15 < qyx_> i was expecting like 1K! 2015-01-22T03:51:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T03:53:10 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T03:54:36 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T03:57:03 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-22T03:57:31 < kakeman> have you used binary compressors? 2015-01-22T03:59:19 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zshjrmdwdhmysqln] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:00:21 -!- LeelooMinai_ [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:00:38 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nrfgxmlzhftskzqs] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:01:16 < dongs> you should try hysteresis compression 2015-01-22T04:01:20 < dongs> i heard its all the rage 2015-01-22T04:01:24 -!- arturo182_ [~arturo182@188.226.158.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:01:29 < dongs> it can reduce sequentially shot jpeg frames down to almost nothing 2015-01-22T04:01:53 < gxti> sounds pretty pro 2015-01-22T04:02:00 -!- Luggi09 [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:03:16 < dongs> invented by torquing ltd 2015-01-22T04:05:58 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcF9UdGgydmtsOWc/view?usp=sharing ntc resiustance table interpolating works 2015-01-22T04:06:02 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:06:03 -!- arturo182 [~arturo182@188.226.158.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:06:03 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:06:03 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:06:03 -!- arturo182_ is now known as arturo182 2015-01-22T04:06:41 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:07:21 < kakeman> temperature measured under my bed 2015-01-22T04:08:37 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:09:50 < kakeman> stables at 12.87celsius 2015-01-22T04:10:10 < qyx_> cold bed 2015-01-22T04:11:18 < dongs> sounds liek typical room temperature in japan 2015-01-22T04:11:51 < englishman> dont you live in the south, with dolphins and palm trees and shit 2015-01-22T04:12:04 < englishman> 12 degrees you have a winter jacket on 2015-01-22T04:12:11 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:12:59 < kakeman> dongs: sounds like 2015-01-22T04:13:14 < kakeman> they yse all kind of heater stuff 2015-01-22T04:13:36 < kakeman> even burners in a pockey 2015-01-22T04:13:48 < kakeman> pocket 2015-01-22T04:14:16 < kakeman> water bottles 2015-01-22T04:14:26 < kakeman> burning fire under a table 2015-01-22T04:15:17 < kakeman> LNG room heaters 2015-01-22T04:15:34 < dongs> try krerosene 2015-01-22T04:15:45 < dongs> got one in my office right now as a matter of fact 2015-01-22T04:15:47 < dongs> burning that O2 2015-01-22T04:16:25 < kakeman> or kerosene 2015-01-22T04:16:55 < kakeman> you feel dizzy as it fills room with gases? 2015-01-22T04:17:15 < dongs> dizzy/sleepy/lazy/etc 2015-01-22T04:17:43 < kakeman> I added ventilation to my room and general efficiency and mood 1000% 2015-01-22T04:19:11 < qyx_> what is lng room heater 2015-01-22T04:19:21 < dongs> im guessing liquid natural gas 2015-01-22T04:19:24 < kakeman> liquid gas 2015-01-22T04:19:33 < dongs> sounds very safe 2015-01-22T04:19:50 < emeb_mac> stoned on carbon monoxide 2015-01-22T04:19:53 < qyx_> natural gas is not liquidifable under common conditions 2015-01-22T04:19:54 < dongs> Having backed a number of projects, some of which have delivered as promised, and others absolutely not, I can say that, thus far, Ivan, Reece and the team have filled me with total confidence. 2015-01-22T04:20:04 < kakeman> I find using such devices in other than cabin use questionable 2015-01-22T04:20:06 < qyx_> afaik it is called cng 2015-01-22T04:20:08 < qyx_> at least here 2015-01-22T04:20:19 < kakeman> and old school 2015-01-22T04:20:26 < qyx_> or lpg then 2015-01-22T04:20:45 < dongs> no those are different 2015-01-22T04:20:49 < dongs> LNG != LPG 2015-01-22T04:20:52 < kakeman> liquid propaine gas? 2015-01-22T04:20:53 < qyx_> i know 2015-01-22T04:21:13 < qyx_> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v8/1721660289_2/LPG_cylinder_12_5kg_bottle_bouteille_de.jpg 2015-01-22T04:21:14 < emeb_mac> if you wanna get warm, down on the farm, propane 2015-01-22T04:21:24 < qyx_> lpg is sold in those cyllinders 2015-01-22T04:21:34 < dongs> rite 2015-01-22T04:21:38 < emeb_mac> if your cousin is hot, but your fingers are not, propane 2015-01-22T04:21:41 < kakeman> jippons have all that ground thermal and sunshine 2015-01-22T04:21:55 < dongs> i had one temporarily hooked up to my 32kW clothes dryer until they wired the proper line into bigger tanks outside the house 2015-01-22T04:22:19 < kakeman> 32kW sounds nice 2015-01-22T04:22:25 < dongs> 10L jar lasted about a week 2015-01-22T04:22:33 < qyx_> *clothes fryier 2015-01-22T04:22:35 < dongs> kakeman: up to 30kg of shit dry in ~40minutes 2015-01-22T04:22:40 < dongs> cant go wrong wiht that 2015-01-22T04:22:43 < qyx_> -i 2015-01-22T04:23:31 < qyx_> some of our buses use cng, but those cylinders are much smaller in diameter 2015-01-22T04:23:38 < gxti> in theory you can burn natgas indoors as long as it combusts completely, but best case you're still filling your house with water vapor that's gonna condense in the walls and make mold, and worst case it doesn't burn completely and you die 2015-01-22T04:23:56 < dongs> taxis and shit here are all driving on cng 2015-01-22T04:24:52 < talsit> is that why forkifts use it? 2015-01-22T04:25:07 < gxti> yes, it's fine in a big warehouse 2015-01-22T04:25:25 < qyx_> talsit: no, forklifts use lpg cylinders 2015-01-22T04:25:42 < qyx_> http://www.missiongas.com/images/forkliftcylinderservices.jpg 2015-01-22T04:25:56 < qyx_> cng = methane 2015-01-22T04:26:21 < qyx_> lpg = propane/butane 2015-01-22T04:27:30 < qyx_> cng is high pressure compressed gas, lpg is low pressure liquid gas 2015-01-22T04:27:40 < talsit> right 2015-01-22T04:28:04 -!- LeelooMinai_ is now known as LeelooMinai 2015-01-22T04:33:39 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T04:33:39 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:33:39 < kakeman> ground thermal and sunshine 2015-01-22T04:33:39 < kakeman> whops puttypaste 2015-01-22T04:33:39 < kakeman> or somethn 2015-01-22T04:40:13 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T04:40:13 < englishman> emeb_mac: lol @ clapton 2015-01-22T04:40:42 < emeb_mac> englishman: Pinkard & Bowden - Propane 2015-01-22T04:40:59 < englishman> heh its a real thing 2015-01-22T04:41:07 < emeb_mac> ya 2015-01-22T04:41:52 < englishman> i have one of those cannon propane heaters down on the farm :x 2015-01-22T04:44:20 < kakeman> you have a farm? 2015-01-22T04:45:07 < englishman> the farm is not mine 2015-01-22T04:45:14 < englishman> but in 5 months i am moving there and living on it 2015-01-22T04:45:25 < kakeman> cool 2015-01-22T04:45:30 < kakeman> in england? 2015-01-22T04:45:34 < englishman> wot 2015-01-22T04:45:50 < englishman> i thought england only has shires and commons 2015-01-22T04:46:17 < kakeman> just making assumpiton 2015-01-22T04:48:52 < gxti> aliexpress homepage always has white girls on it. i wonder if they 'internationalize' it depending on where you connect frmo. 2015-01-22T04:54:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-22T04:55:34 < kakeman> englishman: why you go to the farm? 2015-01-22T04:55:45 < kakeman> livin there 2015-01-22T04:55:53 < englishman> its nice 2015-01-22T04:57:31 < ReadError> hes starting a shed and breakfast / kitteh resort 2015-01-22T04:58:49 < emeb_mac> gxti: test it - use a reflector in an asian locale 2015-01-22T04:59:09 < talsit> i also get "white girls" 2015-01-22T04:59:43 < englishman> my new place http://i.imgur.com/3uHkJNb.jpg 2015-01-22T05:00:01 < kakeman> englishman: are we talking about distant farm or farm close to town or such? 2015-01-22T05:00:40 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-22T05:00:42 < englishman> not too close, not too far 2015-01-22T05:00:54 < englishman> i'll be able to see stars at night 2015-01-22T05:01:13 < kakeman> is it you in a picture? 2015-01-22T05:01:30 < ReadError> yea 2015-01-22T05:03:59 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T05:04:29 < kakeman> englishman: what country we are talking about? if states - what state? 2015-01-22T05:05:16 < englishman> english country, northern hemisphere 2015-01-22T05:08:48 < kakeman> not england? :/ 2015-01-22T05:13:09 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-22T05:16:02 < englishman> ive never been 2015-01-22T05:16:29 < kakeman> canada? 2015-01-22T05:37:09 < englishman> what makes you say that, the poverty or the cold 2015-01-22T05:47:37 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T05:50:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-22T05:58:32 < kakeman> cold 2015-01-22T06:00:25 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T06:11:55 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-22T06:13:57 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T06:16:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-22T06:19:39 < bilboquet_> Is there a big difference in term of power consumption bitwen an f103 and a f373 at the same clock ? 2015-01-22T06:20:13 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-22T06:20:36 < bilboquet_> Read datasheet ok :) 2015-01-22T06:20:37 < englishman> attn dongs: canadian content http://i.imgur.com/bIbuIrq.jpg 2015-01-22T06:21:26 < bilboquet_> wich town ? 2015-01-22T06:22:56 < englishman> phalluston 2015-01-22T06:22:56 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T06:23:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T06:24:20 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T06:24:50 < bilboquet_> I did not know. but canada remember me good memories 2015-01-22T06:26:27 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-22T06:28:25 < bilboquet_> no !!! the stm32f373 is cheapest. 2015-01-22T06:29:29 < bilboquet_> How it is made 2015-01-22T06:41:56 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T06:43:02 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-22T06:51:35 < bilboquet_> and it seem the stm32f373 consumes less. I think I'll change.fo it.. 2015-01-22T06:52:33 < bilboquet_> bye 2015-01-22T06:57:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-22T06:58:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T07:15:18 < dongs> oops 2015-01-22T07:15:22 < dongs> need to fly to best korea today 2015-01-22T07:15:28 < dongs> much trolling will be missed 2015-01-22T07:16:36 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T07:19:09 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T07:19:47 < emeb_mac> srsly? 2015-01-22T07:19:55 < dongs> y 2015-01-22T07:19:56 < dongs> flight in5 hr 2015-01-22T07:20:27 < emeb_mac> wtf you do in NK? 2015-01-22T07:20:37 < dongs> check up on sony hax status 2015-01-22T07:20:47 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-01-22T07:21:03 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 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Opposed to most examples on the web, it doesn't have SYSCFG and the examples provided don't show anything remotely close to it :(. Could anyone point me in the right direction? 2015-01-22T10:54:44 < yots> STM32F106* 2015-01-22T10:57:46 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T10:58:13 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T10:59:23 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T11:01:58 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T11:02:00 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-22T11:02:00 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T11:02:00 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-22T11:02:00 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T11:02:27 < jpa-> stm32f106 is a thing? 2015-01-22T11:04:12 < jpa-> yots: where did you get stm32f106 from? even st.com doesn't know about it 2015-01-22T11:05:31 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@87.19.48.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-22T11:12:11 < yots> sorry, 105! and nevermind, I think I have it figured out. I accidentaly configured the GPIO as analog in instead of input with pull-up/down 2015-01-22T11:18:58 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host33-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T11:20:04 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T11:25:18 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-22T12:17:51 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-22T12:18:59 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T12:34:50 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-22T12:51:47 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T12:58:18 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T13:05:25 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T13:08:54 < Steffanx> zyp, in your qemu laks stuff you use a core freq. of 12.5MHz, which seems to be actually frequency, but where does it come from 2015-01-22T13:09:31 < Steffanx> or is that actually the default freq. for that particular mcu and is it something from the datasheet? 2015-01-22T13:09:38 < zyp> I don't remember 2015-01-22T13:09:48 < Steffanx> :( 2015-01-22T13:10:15 < zyp> might be 100/8 2015-01-22T13:12:46 < Steffanx> never used qemu before, so thought i could be used to do some profiling, but it doesnt seem to be easier in qemu than on an actual target. 2015-01-22T13:13:57 < Steffanx> *it 2015-01-22T13:20:30 < zyp> I think it'll even be easeri on an actual target :p 2015-01-22T13:21:08 < zyp> I'm not sure qemu implements DWT 2015-01-22T13:22:07 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T13:26:55 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T13:27:15 < jpa-> yeah, usually easier on actual target 2015-01-22T13:28:03 < jpa-> qemu isn't cycle-accurate anyway, so any divisions and float operations will take too short time 2015-01-22T13:38:32 -!- yots [~yotams@server554.seedhost.eu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-22T13:40:42 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T13:45:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-22T13:47:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.179] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T13:52:35 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-7.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T13:53:49 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-22T14:05:55 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T14:06:05 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-22T14:06:21 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T14:23:04 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T14:31:19 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-22T14:47:42 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:352c:0:a009:3271:a5ad:6062] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T14:51:52 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T14:53:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:352c:0:a009:3271:a5ad:6062] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-22T14:56:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4352c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T15:05:42 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T15:15:23 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4352c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-22T15:16:37 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4352c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T15:27:44 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4352c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-22T15:30:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4352c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T15:38:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T15:40:17 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-22T15:46:31 -!- rk[1] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-22T16:55:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-22T16:58:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T17:20:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-22T17:34:51 < kakeman> is there good cortex core simulators? 2015-01-22T17:35:13 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-22T17:35:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T17:36:53 < kakeman> I think such thing is $$$$ 2015-01-22T17:37:04 < englishman> theres one that comes free with every cortex chip 2015-01-22T17:37:05 < englishman> :) 2015-01-22T17:37:18 < englishman> you can get academic license of cortex-m0 hdl i think 2015-01-22T17:37:42 < englishman> for free 2015-01-22T17:38:47 < Getty> well if you simulate the core itself, you are not that much helping anyone ;) 2015-01-22T17:43:33 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-22T17:44:09 < Steffanx> qemu not good enough kakeman? 2015-01-22T17:44:48 < kakeman> let's see 2015-01-22T17:45:02 < Steffanx> except its an emulator, not a simulator :P 2015-01-22T17:45:07 < karlp> BrainDamage: re: "the stlink onboard isn't the nicest programmer/debugger out there" what sort of things do you find to be problematic with it? 2015-01-22T17:46:24 < englishman> yeah i think it's pretty sweet 2015-01-22T17:46:37 < englishman> cheap, low number of needed pins, fast 2015-01-22T17:51:23 < BrainDamage> karlp: sorry, i think there's a miscomunication, it works and it does it's job, i've just needed full jtag protocol few times to interface with other things, but for stm32 works ok 2015-01-22T17:51:36 < BrainDamage> by nicest i mean "most featureful" 2015-01-22T18:00:18 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/commit/fa0b5781886b3861c1f96c1a0792e547a7902aa7 2015-01-22T18:00:20 < Laurenceb> funtimes 2015-01-22T18:00:25 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-01-22T18:01:03 < Steffanx> wonderful great magic values. 2015-01-22T18:01:52 < Laurenceb> its actually possible to work out a lot by tweaking them 2015-01-22T18:02:11 < Laurenceb> I'm betting itd be possible to make some nice decoders 2015-01-22T18:02:20 < Laurenceb> like APRS uplink should be feasible 2015-01-22T18:08:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-22T18:16:43 < englishman> Laurenceb: thats what aadamson is using his for 2015-01-22T18:16:53 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-01-22T18:17:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T18:17:20 < englishman> hab shit 2015-01-22T18:18:03 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T18:18:43 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2015-01-22T18:19:10 -!- yan__ is now known as yan_ 2015-01-22T18:19:18 < emeb> why disable IRQ around all the spi ops? 2015-01-22T18:19:37 < Laurenceb> to stop the state machine nesting inside itself 2015-01-22T18:20:04 < emeb> seems like there'd be a better way 2015-01-22T18:20:27 < Laurenceb> yeah i could swap to the blocking routine 2015-01-22T18:20:32 < Laurenceb> for the config stuff 2015-01-22T18:20:46 < Laurenceb> a search/replace job :D 2015-01-22T18:21:45 < emeb> are all those tx_buffer values unknown magic from the mfg? 2015-01-22T18:22:00 < Laurenceb> not completely unknown - they have names 2015-01-22T18:22:07 < englishman> lol 2015-01-22T18:22:11 < Laurenceb> there are three filters on the Rx path 2015-01-22T18:22:22 < Getty> are we in the fight club? "HE HAS A NAME!!!" 2015-01-22T18:22:23 < Laurenceb> most of the values are filter coefficients 2015-01-22T18:22:32 < emeb> aha. 2015-01-22T18:22:50 < Laurenceb> theres a CIC then two other more complex thingies 2015-01-22T18:23:02 < emeb> love me some CICs 2015-01-22T18:23:10 < Laurenceb> I've set them all to 500hz - ultra tight 2015-01-22T18:23:10 < emeb> use 'em all the time in the day job 2015-01-22T18:23:27 < emeb> probably some FIRs to do spectral correction too... 2015-01-22T18:23:36 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-01-22T18:23:41 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T18:23:44 < emeb> it's a common architecture 2015-01-22T18:23:46 < Laurenceb> that would explain why theres a ton of coefficients 2015-01-22T18:24:20 < Laurenceb> need to get a dev board set up before i can test it 2015-01-22T18:24:23 < emeb> indeed. Would be interesting to cook up some Matlab for filter design just for this. 2015-01-22T18:24:49 < emeb> this the the SiLabs si44xx transceiver? 2015-01-22T18:24:52 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T18:24:54 < Laurenceb> ill probably use a silabs dev board for the ground side 2015-01-22T18:24:59 < Laurenceb> 446x 2015-01-22T18:25:01 < emeb> ya 2015-01-22T18:25:15 < emeb> couldn't you use your board w/ different firmware? 2015-01-22T18:25:25 < englishman> what's a CIC? 2015-01-22T18:25:33 < emeb> Cascaded Integrator Comb 2015-01-22T18:25:38 < emeb> a type of decimating filter 2015-01-22T18:25:42 < englishman> ooh, long words 2015-01-22T18:25:52 < englishman> thanks 2015-01-22T18:25:55 < emeb> aka Hogenauer filter 2015-01-22T18:26:23 < emeb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascaded_integrator%E2%80%93comb_filter 2015-01-22T18:26:39 < englishman> yes i'm there 2015-01-22T18:26:39 < englishman> neat 2015-01-22T18:27:07 < emeb> very low-complexity way to do high decimation / interpolation rates. 2015-01-22T18:27:43 < emeb> downside is that it has crappy frequency response 2015-01-22T18:27:47 < Laurenceb> yeah I could use my board... 2015-01-22T18:28:00 < Laurenceb> need to order some more parts :D 2015-01-22T18:28:52 < emeb> ya 2015-01-22T18:29:58 < Laurenceb> guess i could stick chibios on there and use its simple usb stuff 2015-01-22T18:30:12 < emeb> you have usb on your board? 2015-01-22T18:30:16 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-22T18:30:23 < emeb> almost done then. 2015-01-22T18:30:33 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-22T18:30:42 < Laurenceb> chibios uses systick for kernel right? 2015-01-22T18:30:54 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-7.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2015-01-22T18:30:57 < emeb> got me - not a chibios guy 2015-01-22T18:30:57 < Laurenceb> so regular interrupts/NVIC should run ok? 2015-01-22T18:30:59 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-22T18:32:43 -!- stormbytes [~textual@173-22-8-161.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2015-01-22T18:35:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T18:47:49 < emeb> there's an amazing amount of crap inside those si446x chips 2015-01-22T18:48:55 < kakeman> guys is there way to run parts of code so that swd goes mute at that time and comes back when it's done 2015-01-22T18:49:20 < kakeman> because it seems that swd causes some serious latencies to program 2015-01-22T18:49:52 < kakeman> is it semihosting hmm 2015-01-22T18:50:04 < kakeman> actually semihosting may be that 2015-01-22T18:50:08 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like i can run chibios as a simple USB driver 2015-01-22T18:50:10 < Laurenceb> lolz 2015-01-22T18:50:24 < Laurenceb> does ST have example USB CDC code for F1? 2015-01-22T18:51:17 < englishman> yes i think so 2015-01-22T18:51:33 < englishman> for one of their boards that isnt a disco? 2015-01-22T18:51:58 < Laurenceb> for my board lol 2015-01-22T18:52:08 < englishman> yes i was being pensive 2015-01-22T18:52:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-22T18:56:55 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.179] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T18:58:01 < emeb> ST has _lots_ of USB examples 2015-01-22T18:58:16 < emeb> I've done CDC serial w/ bare metal no problem. 2015-01-22T18:58:24 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-22T19:00:42 < PaulFertser> kakeman: semihosting slows down the target a fair bit, that's for sure. 2015-01-22T19:01:25 < PaulFertser> kakeman: afaict even regular polling, without semihosting, can slightly affect execution timings (but not timers etc). 2015-01-22T19:01:27 < kakeman> but is it just during write and read or all the time? 2015-01-22T19:01:38 < zyp> only during read and write 2015-01-22T19:01:49 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-22T19:01:57 < zyp> semihosting calls are implemented through a bkpt instruction which traps in the debugger 2015-01-22T19:02:23 < PaulFertser> zyp: I think I've seen it with a 'scope that just having JTAG connected and the target being polled affected busy-loops measurably. 2015-01-22T19:02:23 < zyp> so the entire cpu stops while the debugger processes the call 2015-01-22T19:02:38 < kakeman> semihosting looks like 9600baud serial 2015-01-22T19:02:46 < kakeman> and feels like 2015-01-22T19:02:54 < zyp> PaulFertser, I'd like a source on that if that's true 2015-01-22T19:03:51 < PaulFertser> zyp: I do not have a source, but I can probably redo measurements at work after my vacation is over. It was probably an l152 target in background JTAG polling. 2015-01-22T19:04:11 < zyp> jtag polling for what? 2015-01-22T19:04:26 < PaulFertser> CPU state, if it's halted or not. 2015-01-22T19:04:38 < PaulFertser> How else would debugger know the target has stopped. 2015-01-22T19:04:43 < zyp> oh, right 2015-01-22T19:05:27 < PaulFertser> kakeman: if you disable line buffering, and flush only when really needed, it can be way faster. 2015-01-22T19:09:34 < KreAture_> Hurray, got my stm32f030c8 chips 2015-01-22T19:09:36 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-22T19:09:40 < KreAture_> Moah memory! 2015-01-22T19:11:56 < Steffanx> You can always use spi ram KreAture_ :) 2015-01-22T19:12:06 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-22T19:12:11 < KreAture_> I needed flash 2015-01-22T19:12:19 < KreAture_> you can load code from sd card and execute though 2015-01-22T19:12:21 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-22T19:12:23 < Steffanx> oh, but spi flash :P 2015-01-22T19:12:27 < Steffanx> or sd card indeed 2015-01-22T19:12:30 -!- stormbytes [~textual@71.39.80.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T19:13:00 < emeb> 256kB on an M0 seems... unbalanced. 2015-01-22T19:13:56 < Laurenceb> less mental than atmega2561 2015-01-22T19:14:25 < emeb> *nod* 2015-01-22T19:16:17 < kakeman> sometimes when I do something on computer same time I debug program can halt even for a second 2015-01-22T19:16:49 < kakeman> as I have 2leds switching I see it 2015-01-22T19:17:15 < kakeman> oepning pdfs and stuff 2015-01-22T19:17:20 < kakeman> train station> 2015-01-22T19:17:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.196] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T19:17:33 < kakeman> bbl 2015-01-22T19:23:21 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-22T19:24:27 < KreAture_> emeb my stm32f030 has 16k 2015-01-22T19:24:35 < KreAture_> tight 2015-01-22T19:24:47 < KreAture_> just the init from st's libs takes 12k 2015-01-22T19:24:50 < KreAture_> lol 2015-01-22T19:25:03 < emeb> whoa 2015-01-22T19:25:17 < emeb> which libs? 2015-01-22T19:25:36 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T19:26:11 < KreAture_> spi, i2c, usart, clock, adc 2015-01-22T19:26:17 < KreAture_> generated by the cube 2015-01-22T19:26:20 < KreAture_> it's horrid 2015-01-22T19:26:31 < KreAture_> writing it myself with the old libs makes 8k code 2015-01-22T19:26:43 < KreAture_> I had to do that so I could fit my state machine etc 2015-01-22T19:27:06 < KreAture_> The problem is the new cube libs 2015-01-22T19:27:22 < KreAture_> they have a single init routine for timers, and a IF inside for every timer 2015-01-22T19:27:54 < KreAture_> since you pass in a pointer to a struct and the struct has a pointer to a timer, the compiler doesn't see that the input is really static and cannot remove all the if blocks never executed 2015-01-22T19:28:17 < KreAture_> old code is so much smaller since you give it a pointer to a resource directly, thus the if's are stripped out 2015-01-22T19:28:26 < KreAture_> major mistake in my book 2015-01-22T19:28:43 < KreAture_> the new libs have hal_ in the filenames 2015-01-22T19:28:48 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: have you tried libopencm3 instead? 2015-01-22T19:29:05 < KreAture_> no 2015-01-22T19:29:21 < KreAture_> I'd need cm4 though ? 2015-01-22T19:29:27 < KreAture_> sorry, for my other projects I mean 2015-01-22T19:29:32 < PaulFertser> They support cm0 and cm4 too. 2015-01-22T19:29:36 < PaulFertser> AFAICT 2015-01-22T19:29:42 < KreAture_> f030 and and f407 2015-01-22T19:29:45 < bvernoux> yes opencm3 is wrong ;) 2015-01-22T19:29:50 < bvernoux> it means opencmx 2015-01-22T19:29:57 < KreAture_> :) 2015-01-22T19:30:01 < emeb> That tears it - not using the cube 2015-01-22T19:30:07 < bvernoux> I have never unrestood why they named it cm3 2015-01-22T19:30:20 < bvernoux> even if in history it was only for cortex M3 2015-01-22T19:30:23 < emeb> bad enough that StdPeriph has so much overhead - new stuff sounds worse 2015-01-22T19:30:32 < KreAture_> emeb I use the cube tool to see where I should put my pin mappings 2015-01-22T19:30:32 < englishman> lol timecube sure makes some bloat 2015-01-22T19:30:37 < KreAture_> then I do it manuallt 2015-01-22T19:30:38 < KreAture_> y 2015-01-22T19:30:41 < emeb> KreAture_: yeah - that's handy 2015-01-22T19:30:43 < englishman> on a f1 i had like 22k empty project 2015-01-22T19:30:43 < bvernoux> depending on what you need stm32cube is very good too 2015-01-22T19:30:52 < englishman> yes that's also true 2015-01-22T19:30:57 < KreAture_> englishman yeah 2015-01-22T19:31:11 < bvernoux> as libopencm3 is sometimes too low level for simple things (and needs lot of call ...) 2015-01-22T19:31:16 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: if you don't hate C++ you can probably also try https://github.com/andysworkshop/stm32plus 2015-01-22T19:31:25 < KreAture_> the cube code also lacks a few user code block entrys 2015-01-22T19:31:30 < KreAture_> none in some of the layers at all 2015-01-22T19:31:37 < englishman> and simple settings too 2015-01-22T19:31:40 < englishman> like timer pwm setting 2015-01-22T19:31:43 < KreAture_> hehe PaulFertser I do hate c++ 2015-01-22T19:31:49 < englishman> also lacking documentation for f3 and older chips 2015-01-22T19:31:50 < bvernoux> there is lot of example with cube 2015-01-22T19:31:57 < bvernoux> but you need to check in different platform 2015-01-22T19:32:01 < KreAture_> I find many embedded projects waste too much codespace on abstractions 2015-01-22T19:32:23 < bvernoux> I recommend stm32cube especialy for USB or SDcard as it is more advanced than any other lib 2015-01-22T19:32:26 < PaulFertser> Modern C++ is about providing abstractions without overhead, it's not your old C++98 OOP shit. 2015-01-22T19:32:27 < KreAture_> I agree that it may be ok on a 1 Meg flash core4 but I'd never do it on a small 8 bit mcu 2015-01-22T19:32:36 < emeb> I've got an app for F100 that's 7.6kB w/o StdPeriph. About 2x that with. 2015-01-22T19:32:47 < KreAture_> bvernoux the usb stuff is tainted with ebola anyways 2015-01-22T19:33:01 < bvernoux> ?? 2015-01-22T19:33:30 < KreAture_> Astaelan and I went through the libs and the stack and ended up correcting a lot of stuff 2015-01-22T19:33:38 < KreAture_> now we have a usb stack that doesn't fuck up 2015-01-22T19:33:50 < KreAture_> we can push large data ammounts too, 512 Kbyte/s 2015-01-22T19:34:10 < KreAture_> using regular usb, not highspeed 2015-01-22T19:34:47 < KreAture_> (aka full speed) 2015-01-22T19:34:54 < bvernoux> yes it's main problem with all STM32 MCU there is no integrated HS Phy :( 2015-01-22T19:35:01 < KreAture_> although, 512 kbyte/s is far from what we were hoping 2015-01-22T19:35:01 < bvernoux> it requires ULPI in best case 2015-01-22T19:35:35 < emeb> KreAture_: your improved USB available to others? 2015-01-22T19:35:40 < KreAture_> emeb not yet 2015-01-22T19:35:57 < KreAture_> will be publishing the codebase soon I think 2015-01-22T19:36:01 < emeb> kewl 2015-01-22T19:36:01 < bvernoux> KreAture_: have you compared with stmcube ? especially DMA version ? 2015-01-22T19:36:07 < KreAture_> just want to get some more of the proof of concept code done 2015-01-22T19:36:08 < bvernoux> I doubt it's slow 2015-01-22T19:36:13 < bvernoux> especially bulk in/out 2015-01-22T19:36:23 < KreAture_> bvernoux no I have not tested vs the dma version 2015-01-22T19:36:27 < KreAture_> but I have used the cube code 2015-01-22T19:36:34 < bvernoux> anyway to have good perf DMA is mandatory 2015-01-22T19:36:43 < KreAture_> the problem we found was not with dma or not, but with buffer handling in general 2015-01-22T19:36:44 < bvernoux> and also avoiding too much IRQ ... 2015-01-22T19:37:07 < KreAture_> it has unchecked buffer errors, and it overwrites it's own write commands 2015-01-22T19:37:15 < bvernoux> ha ok not good 2015-01-22T19:37:27 < bvernoux> which version have you checked ? 2015-01-22T19:37:29 < KreAture_> trying to send too fast with dma results in some of the blocks you try to send being skipped 2015-01-22T19:37:44 < bvernoux> anyway DMA requires buffer aligned too 2015-01-22T19:37:45 < KreAture_> we looked through many of em, and dl'ed the latest cube a few weeks ago 2015-01-22T19:37:57 < bvernoux> IIRC 32 or 64bytes alignment 2015-01-22T19:38:03 < KreAture_> yes 2015-01-22T19:38:09 < KreAture_> Only works on larger sends 2015-01-22T19:38:24 < KreAture_> and the unfull packet at the end has to be edone by exception 2015-01-22T19:38:30 < bvernoux> I plan to switch to stmcube for my next version of hydrafw 2015-01-22T19:38:37 < KreAture_> without it you end up pc host never seeing the data you send 2015-01-22T19:38:46 < bvernoux> for USB bulk raw & masstorage & USB CDC 2015-01-22T19:38:49 < KreAture_> causes lagg 2015-01-22T19:56:30 -!- stormbytes [~textual@71.39.80.161] has left ##stm32 ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] 2015-01-22T20:02:04 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0af27b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T20:02:35 < Laurenceb> massstoRAGE 2015-01-22T20:07:02 < bvernoux> I would love st have better USB hw ;) 2015-01-22T20:08:21 < zyp> internal HS transceivers in high end chips would be nice 2015-01-22T20:08:30 < bvernoux> yes 2015-01-22T20:08:32 < bvernoux> like NXP 2015-01-22T20:08:48 < bvernoux> as ULPI cost too much pins ... and space ... 2015-01-22T20:09:14 < bvernoux> or even why not USB 3.0 ;) even if it is limited to 200MB/s ;) 2015-01-22T20:09:29 < bvernoux> for ultra realtime ;) 2015-01-22T20:11:36 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T20:15:18 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-01-22T20:17:31 < Laurenceb> anyone here had issues with fatfs before? 2015-01-22T20:17:45 < Laurenceb> I'm getting disk err when I open a second file 2015-01-22T20:17:50 < Laurenceb> first file seems ot be ok 2015-01-22T20:19:29 < bvernoux> there is lot of issues on old version of fatfs 2015-01-22T20:19:41 < bvernoux> but with latest I have never had any problems 2015-01-22T20:19:41 < jpa-> where is the error coming from? 2015-01-22T20:20:24 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T20:22:07 < Laurenceb> f_open 2015-01-22T20:22:17 < Laurenceb> I'm just checking the filesystem for errors... 2015-01-22T20:22:29 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-22T20:22:31 < Laurenceb> its clean 2015-01-22T20:23:27 < bvernoux> maybe you have flash error ? 2015-01-22T20:23:39 < bvernoux> it's sdcard or nandflash ? 2015-01-22T20:23:43 < Laurenceb> sd card 2015-01-22T20:24:02 -!- ryankarason [~rak@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T20:24:02 < bvernoux> could be also just a buffer overflow somewhere 2015-01-22T20:24:04 < Laurenceb> well the first file I open is always ok 2015-01-22T20:24:32 < Laurenceb> but for some reason the device is read only 2015-01-22T20:24:37 < Laurenceb> on my pc 2015-01-22T20:24:39 < bvernoux> it's the latest fatfs version ? 2015-01-22T20:24:40 < Laurenceb> very odd 2015-01-22T20:24:43 < Laurenceb> no 2015-01-22T20:24:51 < Laurenceb> an old version, but it usually works fine 2015-01-22T20:25:05 < Laurenceb> up until yesterday it was working for me too 2015-01-22T20:25:18 < bvernoux> and there is lot of files / dir in the sd ? 2015-01-22T20:25:41 < Laurenceb> about 50 2015-01-22T20:25:59 < Laurenceb> but its <1% full 2015-01-22T20:26:53 < jpa-> Laurenceb: i mean, step through it in a debugger and see what line generates the error 2015-01-22T20:27:15 < Laurenceb> eeek 2015-01-22T20:27:18 < Laurenceb> ok ill try it 2015-01-22T20:27:23 < Laurenceb> could i use watchpoints? 2015-01-22T20:27:33 < jpa-> s, enter, hold it down :) 2015-01-22T20:27:39 < jpa-> then just read back to see what happened 2015-01-22T20:27:59 < bvernoux> and try to patch your fatfs with latest version ;) 2015-01-22T20:28:03 < bvernoux> as there is some ugly bug 2015-01-22T20:28:18 < bvernoux> mainly when you delete file where cluster is badly deallocated ... 2015-01-22T20:28:22 < bvernoux> or even corrupt the fs 2015-01-22T20:32:18 < Laurenceb> interesting 2015-01-22T20:32:24 < Laurenceb> but I doubt thats my bug 2015-01-22T20:32:32 < Laurenceb> as I havent seen issues on my other projects 2015-01-22T20:32:42 < bvernoux> could you do a dump of SD ? 2015-01-22T20:32:46 < bvernoux> raw dump 2015-01-22T20:32:50 < bvernoux> and zip it 2015-01-22T20:33:14 < jpa-> most likely reason for FR_DISK_ERR is an error in your own diskio.c 2015-01-22T20:33:34 < Laurenceb> ah yeah 2015-01-22T20:33:49 < Laurenceb> I've rewritten that from my other projects 2015-01-22T20:34:28 < jpa-> one strategy is to set a breakpoint on each line that returns FR_DISK_ERR, if gdb stepping takes too long 2015-01-22T20:35:26 < Laurenceb> yeah I'll need that 2015-01-22T20:35:32 < Laurenceb> gdb stepping will take forever 2015-01-22T20:35:51 < Laurenceb> guess i should just use finish 2015-01-22T20:35:55 < jpa-> usually a minute or two, you only need to hold down enter :P 2015-01-22T20:36:06 < TheSeven> speaking of trouble with SD cards... are they supposed to be capable of sharing an SPI bus with other devices? while that seems to be working just fine with most cards, I have one particular type that doesn't seem to like it, and I'm wondering who is at fault there... 2015-01-22T20:36:10 < jpa-> finish is not very useful as you don't see what lower level function caused the error 2015-01-22T20:36:11 < Laurenceb> its still in touppper 2015-01-22T20:36:36 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: they hold the bus 2015-01-22T20:36:50 < Laurenceb> you have to declock them, a pita 2015-01-22T20:37:55 < TheSeven> well... what do they have a CS pin for then in the first place? (in SPI mode) 2015-01-22T20:38:43 < Laurenceb> follow_path.lto_priv.14 (dj=dj@entry=0x20004ecc, path=) at Util/fat_fs/src/ff.c:1942 2015-01-22T20:38:43 < Laurenceb> 1942 ns = *(dj->fn+NS); 2015-01-22T20:38:43 < Laurenceb> Value returned is $32 = FR_DISK_ERR 2015-01-22T20:38:49 < Laurenceb> found it.. sort of 2015-01-22T20:40:18 < jpa-> so from dir_find()? 2015-01-22T20:40:28 < jpa-> still doesn't tell the actual source 2015-01-22T20:42:23 < Laurenceb> no 2015-01-22T20:43:39 < Laurenceb> I'll reformat the card 2015-01-22T20:44:29 < jpa-> yeah, the way to get reliable software: every time something unexpected happens, do random things until the bug disappears for a while 2015-01-22T20:44:59 < Steffanx> lol 2015-01-22T20:45:15 < Laurenceb> well debugging and shit can screw the filesystem 2015-01-22T20:45:32 < Laurenceb> it was working 100% and I havent touched the sd code 2015-01-22T20:46:36 < jpa-> FR_DISK_ERR isn't the typical error returned for corrupted fs, though 2015-01-22T20:46:43 < Laurenceb> Error mounting: mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock 2015-01-22T20:46:46 < Laurenceb> eeek 2015-01-22T20:47:45 < jpa-> umm.. since when does fat even have a superblock? 2015-01-22T20:48:44 < Laurenceb> now its dead 2015-01-22T20:48:52 < TheSeven> it probably means the BPB 2015-01-22T20:49:11 < jpa-> or maybe someone forgot -t vfat 2015-01-22T20:49:12 < TheSeven> dmesg? ;) 2015-01-22T20:49:29 < jpa-> could be totally dead card also, though 2015-01-22T20:50:19 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-01-22T20:50:26 < Laurenceb> PC card slot says its dead too 2015-01-22T20:50:47 < jpa-> so your circuit is destroying SD cards now? wrong voltage? 2015-01-22T20:50:59 < Laurenceb> its 3.3v 2015-01-22T20:51:54 < Laurenceb> PC says 2015-01-22T20:51:56 < Laurenceb> Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sdb1 is write-protected, mounting read-only 2015-01-22T20:51:56 < Laurenceb> mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock 2015-01-22T20:52:10 < jpa-> what about dmesg? 2015-01-22T20:53:31 < Laurenceb> sd 408:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on 2015-01-22T20:53:40 < Laurenceb> FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdb1) 2015-01-22T20:53:40 < Laurenceb> [31970787.232463] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) 2015-01-22T20:53:52 < Laurenceb> it should be usable 2015-01-22T20:54:21 < Laurenceb> but id need to make it writable 2015-01-22T20:56:24 < TheSeven> and this isn't by any chance the tab sliding into the locked position while inserting the card into the slot? 2015-01-22T20:59:46 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: I had usb flash thumb drives going read-only after a year of working with ext2 in a weather station. They were revivable with vendor-specific windows shit-tools. 2015-01-22T21:00:17 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:01:03 < Tectu> somebody tell ARM to make faster Cortex-M0 thanks 2015-01-22T21:02:08 < _Sync__> "no" 2015-01-22T21:03:34 < TheSeven> just use M3? 2015-01-22T21:03:35 < Tectu> you're not helpful, _Sync__ 2015-01-22T21:03:49 < Tectu> TheSeven, customer decision so "no" 2015-01-22T21:04:43 < TheSeven> ...which would likely be "no" for a faster M0 then as well, assuming that it costs more ;) 2015-01-22T21:05:27 < Tectu> it's more about battery life here$ 2015-01-22T21:05:49 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:05:51 < TheSeven> well, speed is generally your enemy then :P 2015-01-22T21:06:00 < gxti> st pls make a F100 that runs at 4.0ghz quad core and x86 instruction set also for half the cost thanks 2015-01-22T21:06:51 * TheSeven would rather say "ST please stop manufacturing F100s to finally force all those board designers into using something sane" :P 2015-01-22T21:07:14 < TheSeven> F1 chips are a real nightmare compared to F0/F3/F4 2015-01-22T21:07:28 < gxti> i guess? 2015-01-22T21:07:46 < gxti> f100 is pretty weird but f107 is fine enough 2015-01-22T21:07:56 < Tectu> stop using any F1* 2015-01-22T21:08:04 < Tectu> F1 has the biggest buggy peripheral set of all time 2015-01-22T21:08:13 < gxti> could be, but it's cheap and has etherbutts 2015-01-22T21:08:22 < gxti> does f3 have etherbutts yet? 2015-01-22T21:08:26 < TheSeven> not just buggy, just braindead, looking at all that GPIO/AFIO and DMA mess 2015-01-22T21:08:45 < Tectu> TheSeven, isnt' that pretty much the same as with all the other F series?! 2015-01-22T21:08:51 < TheSeven> gxti: I'd only use F2/F4 series chips for ethernet these days... usually F205 which is cheaper than F107 btw 2015-01-22T21:08:57 < Tectu> and imho it's pretty clean 2015-01-22T21:09:09 < Tectu> I always go for F407 :P 2015-01-22T21:09:22 < TheSeven> Tectu: not at all. F0/2/4 has a sane GPIO controller, not that hilarious mess 2015-01-22T21:09:38 < gxti> you seem strongly opinionated about it, but i'm not 2015-01-22T21:09:56 < TheSeven> I made the mistake to build a board with an F107 chip once. I'll never do that again. 2015-01-22T21:10:32 < TheSeven> I used to use F2/F4 series and went for F107 because (unlike the F205) it officially supports ethernet in LQFP64, but that was the biggest mistake ever 2015-01-22T21:11:03 < TheSeven> oh, and why on earth does it need USB Vbus to be connected to PA9? 2015-01-22T21:11:20 < gxti> if it doesn't officially support ethernet then why did you bring it up 2015-01-22T21:11:33 < gxti> i'm not going to make a bigger board just so i can use a different part. 2015-01-22T21:11:50 < gxti> and you still haven't brought up any actual reasons, just gesticulating wildly... 2015-01-22T21:12:09 < TheSeven> because I built another version of that board, just swapping that F107 for an F205, and it just worked like a charm 2015-01-22T21:12:15 < gxti> i already wrote the code, convince me why i should care 2015-01-22T21:12:48 < TheSeven> well if you have already adapted to that piece of junk then so be it. but I wouldn't ever want to write that code in question... 2015-01-22T21:13:04 < TheSeven> that hardware is just horribly unflexible, especially wrt. pin mapping 2015-01-22T21:13:25 < TheSeven> along with that huge list of errata 2015-01-22T21:13:26 < Tectu> fpga <3 2015-01-22T21:13:46 < Tectu> TheSeven, ever seen the errata of that ENC chip from MicroChip? :P 2015-01-22T21:15:50 < TheSeven> well, a rather funny erratum is that "second flash bank returns corrupted data if USB is in use" on F42x/F43x series ;) 2015-01-22T21:16:41 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:18:44 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:20:03 < Tectu> o.O 2015-01-22T21:22:28 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-22T21:26:50 -!- Luggi09 is now known as Lux 2015-01-22T21:30:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-22T21:32:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:37:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-22T21:42:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-22T21:45:11 -!- stephendwyer [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:50:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T21:51:06 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-22T21:52:55 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T22:00:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.196] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-22T22:05:48 < kakeman> just realized coocox has it's own drivers for chips 2015-01-22T22:06:53 < Steffanx> dont forget their os 2015-01-22T22:07:56 < kakeman> so if I go with this I get traped in their environment 2015-01-22T22:13:13 < kakeman> their drivers are not too bad 2015-01-22T22:13:24 < kakeman> I think I go with it 2015-01-22T22:16:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-22T22:16:53 < kakeman> thi 2015-01-22T22:16:54 < kakeman> IOCON_PIO1_9 &= ~IOCON_PIO1_9_FUNC_MASK; 2015-01-22T22:16:56 < kakeman> IOCON_PIO1_9 |= IOCON_PIO1_9_FUNC_CT16B1_MAT0; 2015-01-22T22:17:12 < kakeman> versus 2015-01-22T22:17:14 < kakeman> IOCON_SetPinFunc(IOCON_PIO1_9, PIO1_9_FUN_CT16B1_MAT0); 2015-01-22T22:17:29 < TheSeven> well, using one shouldn't prevent you from using the other 2015-01-22T22:17:49 < kakeman> there is always work 2015-01-22T22:17:49 < TheSeven> but apart from that, that naming looks horrible ;) 2015-01-22T22:18:39 < kakeman> first is something and second is coocox 2015-01-22T22:19:05 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.48.142] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T22:19:05 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.48.142] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-22T22:19:05 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T22:28:04 < TheSeven> hm, these two might not even be functionally equivalent if you take a closer look 2015-01-22T22:28:25 < TheSeven> the setPinFunc probably does the change atomically, in contrast to the other one which writes the reg two times 2015-01-22T22:36:39 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-22T22:46:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b1fb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-22T23:02:03 -!- varesa_ is now known as varesa 2015-01-22T23:23:48 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-22T23:34:27 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Day changed Fri Jan 23 2015 2015-01-23T00:02:47 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-23T00:07:40 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:10:23 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T00:12:03 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:20:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T00:22:42 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:41:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:46:30 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-23T00:47:03 -!- w00die_ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:47:27 -!- Angmar26 [~Oshikuru@217.20.81.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-23T00:49:23 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-23T00:49:42 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:52:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-23T00:57:12 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T00:57:43 < Laurenceb__> back 2015-01-23T00:57:44 < Laurenceb__> and this isn't by any chance the tab sliding into the locked position while inserting the card into the slot? 2015-01-23T00:57:50 < Laurenceb__> no, this is µSD 2015-01-23T00:58:14 < Laurenceb__> also it has the same problem when connected to stm32 and mass storage class driver 2015-01-23T00:59:35 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-23T01:00:34 * TheSeven had locking tabs on µSD to SD adapters slide into locked position way too often :P 2015-01-23T01:01:08 < TheSeven> but yeah, I've heard of bricking SD cards by software means as well 2015-01-23T01:01:30 < TheSeven> whether due to card firmware bugs or due to inappropriate security commands being sent (by accident) 2015-01-23T01:02:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T01:04:54 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-23T01:05:33 -!- brabo [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T01:09:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-23T01:09:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T01:12:17 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d42d70.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T01:13:16 < Laurenceb__> ah 2015-01-23T01:13:30 < Laurenceb__> yeah maybe i screwed it with bad debugging 2015-01-23T01:13:46 < Laurenceb__> it started acting up some point yesterday whilst i was debugging 2015-01-23T01:13:55 < Laurenceb__> RTC timestamped files FTW :P 2015-01-23T01:14:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d4352c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T01:15:04 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T01:15:46 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-23T01:20:00 < kakeman> coide keeps crashing 2015-01-23T01:20:37 < kakeman> maybe 4GB ram is not ok with java 2015-01-23T01:21:40 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T01:26:22 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-01-23T01:26:50 < Laurenceb__> this might explain how my perman00b friend managed to "fry" over 9000 µSD card 2015-01-23T01:27:02 < Laurenceb__> by debugging it 2015-01-23T01:28:28 < Laurenceb__> I presumed he was just connecting it to 240v or something 2015-01-23T01:29:37 < Laurenceb__> http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/48831-micro-sd-card-stuck-in-read-only/ 2015-01-23T01:29:46 < Laurenceb__> Edit 3: card accepts first write, others are deleted 2015-01-23T01:29:49 < Laurenceb__> sounds like mine 2015-01-23T01:30:04 < Laurenceb__> AND DO NOT tell me to switch the lock switch, I came here for the μelp of intelligent people and you should all know micro and mini sd cards have no locks 2015-01-23T01:30:07 < Laurenceb__> teehee 2015-01-23T01:30:47 < englishman> but you should - oh 2015-01-23T01:31:07 < englishman> what if its in a microsd adapter 2015-01-23T01:31:16 < Laurenceb__> identical 2015-01-23T01:31:24 < Laurenceb__> ive tried all these :P 2015-01-23T01:31:37 < Laurenceb__> theres got to be a way to fix it, looks like a card firmware issue 2015-01-23T01:31:58 < Laurenceb__> lol I should look in the bin at work for all the cards my colleague chucked 2015-01-23T01:32:05 < englishman> ebay microsd doesnt work, boo hoo 2015-01-23T01:32:43 < Lux> i wonder if a micro sd for 0.8$ shipped from china would work :) 2015-01-23T01:32:51 < Lux> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Micro-SD-card-memory-card-128MB-4GB-8GB-16GB-32GB-64GB-TF-card-real-capacity-pass/32254006294.html 2015-01-23T01:33:33 < gxti> a 128MB one? sure 2015-01-23T01:34:13 < Lux> 128mb for data logging still is plenty 2015-01-23T01:34:27 < gxti> well, it's still crap 2015-01-23T01:35:18 < gxti> but almost certainly the full 128MB of crap 2015-01-23T01:35:36 < englishman> its not like they can slip a smaller microsd card inside, and some weights 2015-01-23T01:35:50 < Lux> ya, but for datalogging etc it should suffice 2015-01-23T01:36:09 < gxti> as long as you don't really want your data back, sure 2015-01-23T01:36:25 < gxti> and don't need things like "durability" or "not corrupting everything if the power is lost" 2015-01-23T01:36:54 < gxti> and you don't write to it more than a few hundred times 2015-01-23T01:37:39 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-23T01:37:56 < gxti> which would be an odd sort of datalogger 2015-01-23T01:40:17 < bilboquet_> is tha summon-arm-toolchain can install ready lib for gcc on linux ? I launched the script but it's long. 2015-01-23T01:40:27 < zyp> don't use it 2015-01-23T01:40:40 < zyp> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded <- use this toolchain 2015-01-23T01:41:27 < bilboquet_> in fact i just want the stm32lib with exemple for linux gcc 2015-01-23T01:42:17 < bilboquet_> zyp your link is my tools too 2015-01-23T01:42:56 < zyp> then there's no reason to use summon-arm-toolchain, it won't give you anything extra 2015-01-23T01:42:58 < bilboquet_> i need stm32lib to test other lib. but i ve never used it yet 2015-01-23T01:43:50 < bilboquet_> it's because of LIBSTM32_EN=1 option ? 2015-01-23T01:45:21 < bilboquet_> doesn't exist the lib with clean makefile for gcc ? 2015-01-23T01:45:43 < Laurenceb__> I'm using Lexar, Sandisk and swissbit 2015-01-23T01:46:16 < Laurenceb__> Lexar == no issues at all, swissbit == breaks all the time, Sandisk == one or two break 2015-01-23T01:46:33 < Laurenceb__> I need to grab some more cards 2015-01-23T01:49:34 -!- w00die__ 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2015-01-23T02:47:49 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251213072.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-23T02:48:21 < kakeman> so changing registers of peripheral without clock is useless 2015-01-23T02:48:53 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251202132.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-23T02:50:23 < englishman> heh :) 2015-01-23T02:50:51 < kakeman> code examples I saw would not have worked 2015-01-23T02:51:16 < kakeman> hmm I guess 2015-01-23T02:51:40 < kakeman> having clk set in init function somewhere in the middle 2015-01-23T02:52:52 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-01-23T02:52:57 < Laurenceb__> ur lurning 2015-01-23T02:52:59 < Laurenceb__> sd 408:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on 2015-01-23T02:53:02 < Laurenceb__> oops 2015-01-23T02:53:19 < Laurenceb__> I'm failing at copypaste 2015-01-23T02:53:31 < englishman> still on sd cards? 2015-01-23T02:56:02 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWGdVZ2lUOWR0blU/view pwm says hello 2015-01-23T02:57:39 < BrainDamage> is your scope a SJW? it has been trigger'ed 2015-01-23T02:58:31 < BrainDamage> also, to reduce the inductive kick on the edges, use the spring clip instead of the ground alligator clamp 2015-01-23T03:00:49 < kakeman> SJW=? 2015-01-23T03:00:57 < kakeman> I know 2015-01-23T03:01:09 < kakeman> I should try 2015-01-23T03:01:26 < BrainDamage> social justice warrior 2015-01-23T03:02:30 < bilboquet_> Hi, what is the diference beetwen startup_stm32f10x_cl.s startup_stm32f10x_hd.s startup_stm32f10x_ld.s ... md, md_vl.. in CMSIS 2015-01-23T03:02:38 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-01-23T03:02:52 < Laurenceb__> englishman: yeah im busy failing 2015-01-23T03:03:08 < englishman> BrainDamage: loll 2015-01-23T03:03:24 < Laurenceb__> haha rigol 2015-01-23T03:03:29 < Laurenceb__> why you use that trash 2015-01-23T03:03:58 < englishman> hey 2015-01-23T03:03:59 < englishman> i just got one 2015-01-23T03:04:03 < kakeman> bought it back then 2015-01-23T03:04:14 < kakeman> no use for anything else 2015-01-23T03:04:18 < kakeman> yet 2015-01-23T03:04:51 < kakeman> the thing I do with scope is analyzing various pwms 2015-01-23T03:05:35 < Laurenceb__> i guess its cheap... 2015-01-23T03:05:39 * Laurenceb__ zzz 2015-01-23T03:09:00 < kakeman> whatahell 2015-01-23T03:09:20 < kakeman> board temperature ramped up 2015-01-23T03:10:57 < kakeman> smell and everything 2015-01-23T03:11:48 < kakeman> smell and everything 2015-01-23T03:16:29 < kakeman> it's mcu 2015-01-23T03:16:38 < kakeman> put some cleaner on parts 2015-01-23T03:16:52 < kakeman> mcu dried a circle in package 2015-01-23T03:17:01 < kakeman> latched cmos? 2015-01-23T03:18:38 < kakeman> pin I was probing was right in side of Vin capacitor + side 2015-01-23T03:18:44 < kakeman> R.I.P 2015-01-23T03:18:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T03:36:37 < kakeman> Vin is 12volts 2015-01-23T03:37:05 < gxti> new pro SMPS model? 2015-01-23T03:42:54 < kakeman> :) 2015-01-23T03:43:58 < kakeman> you think I'm somebody with new nick? 2015-01-23T03:44:17 < kakeman> not first time 2015-01-23T03:45:45 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T03:47:38 < gxti> if you say so, beaky 2015-01-23T03:50:52 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-23T03:55:46 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-23T03:57:30 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T03:59:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-242-215-132.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-23T03:59:41 < kakeman> do you know something about this becky that would proof me a different person? 2015-01-23T04:02:43 < kakeman> beaky sounds like an english name 2015-01-23T04:04:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-23T04:05:52 < kakeman> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beaky :) 2015-01-23T04:10:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T04:12:55 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d428f6.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T04:13:26 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d42d70.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-23T04:15:00 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-18-123.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T04:47:14 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T04:53:07 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-23T05:16:12 < Viper168> ack 2015-01-23T05:16:18 < Viper168> becky is a terrible name 2015-01-23T05:16:42 < qyx_> beaky too 2015-01-23T05:16:44 < Viper168> I even dated a terrible person with the name 2015-01-23T05:17:01 < Viper168> what a cunt she was 2015-01-23T05:21:38 < englishman> you dated a girl named beaky? 2015-01-23T05:22:52 < qyx_> he said person 2015-01-23T05:23:33 < englishman> a person who is a she 2015-01-23T05:24:00 < qyx_> hopefully if he is a he 2015-01-23T05:36:13 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T05:40:42 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T05:49:45 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T05:56:42 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-23T06:25:10 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-01-23T06:35:33 < kakeman> does usually blank device support swd in default boot up? 2015-01-23T06:40:21 < kakeman> okay I have problem with board as I replaced mcu 2015-01-23T06:40:49 < kakeman> ISP mode, default mode - nothing 2015-01-23T06:45:30 < kakeman> nope.exe 2015-01-23T06:46:35 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRGswcmRrMWhHYW8/view?usp=sharing I think board is ok 2015-01-23T06:47:59 < kakeman> winter scenery https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKamJoM3ZGYmhmR0E/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-23T06:51:23 < PeterM> kakeman: you solder that by covering it in paste, dipping it in the junk parts bin and throwing it on a hotplate? 2015-01-23T06:52:24 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T06:53:01 < kakeman> don't like it? 2015-01-23T06:55:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-23T06:56:39 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T06:59:27 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-23T06:59:42 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T07:01:54 -!- w00die__ 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dead 2015-01-23T07:20:42 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T07:21:13 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T07:23:23 < kakeman> ust a sec 2015-01-23T07:26:03 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcWlzWDgyTkZ2cWc/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-23T07:26:22 < kakeman> it must go smaller 2015-01-23T07:26:51 < kakeman> - - - - - line is for cutting for final size 2015-01-23T07:30:02 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWUcwbTU3Vk80RzQ/view?usp=sharing 3d 2015-01-23T07:31:46 < kakeman> should mark revisions on boards 2015-01-23T07:32:56 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-23T07:33:18 < kakeman> R2COM: why you want to look like a russian? 2015-01-23T07:34:58 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T07:42:28 < kakeman> 7:40AM, is it sleepy time yet. have been drinking coffee all 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platforms and form factors. 2015-01-23T08:39:48 < upgrdman> but it is sad that the prof is a paid ms employee. 2015-01-23T08:40:12 < upgrdman> we have to make several small games, and at least one must be posted to the official windows app store. gay. 2015-01-23T08:40:13 -!- w00die__ [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-01-23T08:41:22 < upgrdman> i think i make a game with the linux penguin and bsd daemon jizzing all over the ms flag or someshit 2015-01-23T08:42:00 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-23T08:44:55 < qyx_> kakeman: those are the 10A inductors? 2015-01-23T08:44:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-23T08:45:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T08:45:37 < dongs> hey pros 2015-01-23T08:45:49 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/23/hands_on_with_the_hololens_or_how_facebook_wasted_2bn_on_oculus/ 2015-01-23T08:45:52 < dongs> castar must be furious 2015-01-23T08:45:53 < dongs> lol 2015-01-23T08:46:17 < emeb_mac> dongs in DPRK? 2015-01-23T08:46:53 < dongs> y 2015-01-23T08:47:09 < emeb_mac> behave 2015-01-23T08:47:09 < dongs> catching up on latest drama 2015-01-23T08:48:41 < dongs> i saw some tanks driving by 2015-01-23T08:48:54 < emeb_mac> that's entertainment! 2015-01-23T08:50:00 < dongs> uploading 2015-01-23T08:50:13 < emeb_mac> 300 baud 2015-01-23T08:50:42 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/z6R3j 2015-01-23T08:51:08 < ReadError> dongs did your baros come 2015-01-23T08:51:16 < dongs> ReadError: yeah like 2-3 days ago 2015-01-23T08:51:25 < dongs> already used 2015-01-23T08:51:49 < emeb_mac> fun times 2015-01-23T08:51:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-23T08:57:25 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 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http://imall.iteadstudio.com/tools-and-equipment/measurement-and-diagnostic.html 2015-01-23T13:57:20 < Steffanx> None, get saleae clone on ebay for $5-10 2015-01-23T13:58:28 < Steffanx> or ILOGICX016 2015-01-23T13:58:40 < Steffanx> i guess, looks like the one with the "best specs" 2015-01-23T14:01:29 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-23T14:02:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T14:04:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-23T14:05:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T14:05:49 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-01-23T14:05:55 < Laurenceb> thanks 2015-01-23T14:07:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-23T14:07:30 < Laurenceb> the ebay probes are horrible 2015-01-23T14:08:49 < Laurenceb> pity they all have horrible clips 2015-01-23T14:09:11 < Steffanx> Aren't all china probes/clips horrible? 2015-01-23T14:09:17 < Laurenceb> yes lol 2015-01-23T14:09:22 < Laurenceb> who sells decent ones? 2015-01-23T14:09:44 * Laurenceb is buysing airspy from iteadstudio 2015-01-23T14:09:52 < Laurenceb> do they sell anything worth buying? 2015-01-23T14:10:11 < Steffanx> i bet bvernoux will be glad to hear that 2015-01-23T14:11:04 < Laurenceb> hmm i cant see anything worth buying 2015-01-23T14:20:38 < ABLomas> ummm, small offtopic... Got few SAN storage controllers (working well, but too old to be usefull), disassembling for parts... Anything usefull to keep from this board? 2015-01-23T14:20:40 < ABLomas> http://lag.lt/screens/misc/hsv100_int.jpg 2015-01-23T14:21:18 < ABLomas> (only PSU are usefull so far, 100A+) 2015-01-23T14:21:49 < ABLomas> ...prob too specific stuff to be usefull, so just toss it away and done 2015-01-23T14:22:09 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-23T14:22:15 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T15:25:58 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T15:48:12 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T15:55:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T16:09:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-23T16:09:19 < qyx_> ABLomas: heatsinks \o/ 2015-01-23T16:10:02 < Laurenceb> yo dawg I heard you like FPGA 2015-01-23T16:13:40 < Laurenceb> lol ebay 2015-01-23T16:13:43 < Laurenceb> Buy 8 bowls of rice for 8 hungry children 2015-01-23T16:14:07 < ABLomas> qyx_: yes, heatsinks. Done! 2015-01-23T16:14:11 < ABLomas> also some tantalum caps 2015-01-23T16:14:31 < ABLomas> but eh, everything else is sooooo useless... Meh 2015-01-23T16:20:41 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T16:21:45 < karlp> fucking cp2104 rx line is idling low. 2015-01-23T16:24:27 < zyp> heh 2015-01-23T16:26:01 < gxti> pro IC. was thinking about using some. 2015-01-23T16:26:37 < zyp> so what are you saying, is it inverted logic? 2015-01-23T16:33:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T16:34:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-23T16:38:12 < karlp> fucks me, a little tired of it's shit honestly. 2015-01-23T16:38:41 < karlp> I've got it's rs485 mode with invert turned on, 2015-01-23T16:39:15 < karlp> given that it's the only usb to single uart chip they sell with native rs485, I've got no fucking clue why it doesn't ship with rs485 mode on by default 2015-01-23T16:39:45 < karlp> so we add a 4.7uf for "programming" functionality, and get it right first go, because yay, OTP programming 2015-01-23T16:40:23 < karlp> not sure yet whether we're meant to be providing an external rx pullup or not, just more little niggles 2015-01-23T16:42:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T16:46:37 < qyx_> karlp: ft232rl has native rs485 too 2015-01-23T16:46:40 < qyx_> enabled by default 2015-01-23T16:47:21 < qyx_> nvm, i misunderstood what you saifd 2015-01-23T16:54:45 < karlp> yeah, it does, just way more $$ 2015-01-23T16:56:55 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-226.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T16:57:05 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T16:57:21 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-226.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-23T16:57:52 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-23T17:00:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-23T17:03:23 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T17:09:53 < BrainDamage> http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tm-shovel.jpg laurenceb-grade link 2015-01-23T17:14:52 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-23T17:15:52 < Laurenceb> today i used goto 2015-01-23T17:16:24 < zyp> cool 2015-01-23T17:17:34 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T17:17:49 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-23T17:19:05 < qyx_> how do i enforce strict enum type checking? 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(like square wave, triangle, sine) 2015-01-23T22:22:30 < jpa-> just those three? 2015-01-23T22:23:27 < jpa-> i would probably calculate rise time between 10-90% and then same for the 1st derivative 2015-01-23T22:23:50 < jpa-> someone might take fft and do something funny 2015-01-23T22:24:34 < alex20032> I have a class that our teacher said we will make a testbench near the end of the session 2015-01-23T22:24:53 < alex20032> He said us to start looking over the web to see how could we detect different waveform 2015-01-23T22:25:32 < alex20032> This is not university level class, we didnt saw FFT and other advanced math like that 2015-01-23T22:25:39 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-23T22:25:57 < alex20032> Altought i know what FFT do, i don't know how to do it, and we never did dsp 2015-01-23T22:26:24 < jpa-> one trivial way is also to calculate RMS and peak-to-peak voltages and compare them 2015-01-23T22:27:02 < alex20032> The goal of the course is diagnosis problem and debug 2015-01-23T22:27:17 < alex20032> Not math or advanced programming 2015-01-23T22:27:29 < jpa-> 100% for square, 70% for sine and 60% for triangle 2015-01-23T22:27:50 < alex20032> But yeah, RMS could do what i need, i could even know by how many % i am off from what i should see 2015-01-23T22:30:54 < alex20032> i think you mean peak voltage, not peak to peak 2015-01-23T22:31:12 < alex20032> the rms of a sine is 70% of peak voltage 2015-01-23T22:31:16 < jpa-> one is half of the other, whatever 2015-01-23T22:37:58 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-23T22:40:06 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T22:46:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T22:47:42 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-23T22:48:02 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-23T22:48:16 < qyx_> http://pastie.org/9855228 2015-01-23T22:48:19 < qyx_> am i missing something? 2015-01-23T22:48:49 < jpa-> where do you want your malloc()s to take their ram from? 2015-01-23T22:50:17 < qyx_> actually there was no need to mess with it, it automagically worked with libocm3 2015-01-23T22:50:26 < zyp> I thought libnosys would include sbrk 2015-01-23T22:50:27 < qyx_> until i migrated it to scons 2015-01-23T22:51:18 < jpa-> maybe the order on the linker command line is wrong? 2015-01-23T22:51:36 < jpa-> i can't bother to look because it has no linebreaks 2015-01-23T22:51:53 < zyp> might be, the undefined reference is in libg_s, whatever that is 2015-01-23T22:52:54 * Laurenceb__ still has weird FatFS errors 2015-01-23T22:53:06 < jpa-> is your sd card still broken? 2015-01-23T22:53:10 < Laurenceb__> I can replicate it with different cards 2015-01-23T22:53:33 < Laurenceb__> but same code works fine on other hardware 2015-01-23T22:53:43 < Laurenceb__> I dont think its a hardware issue as card init works ok 2015-01-23T22:53:51 < Laurenceb__> and first file opens and writes ok 2015-01-23T22:53:58 < Laurenceb__> I havent tested large writes 2015-01-23T22:54:56 < Laurenceb__> I'm wondering if it is APB speed related - on the new hardware I am running APB1 at only 3Mhz, but APB2 is at 12 2015-01-23T22:55:15 < Laurenceb__> the spi is off APB1, and the CS GPIO is on APB2 2015-01-23T22:56:44 < qyx_> ok, wroks 2015-01-23T22:56:49 < qyx_> zyp: jpa-: bad ordering 2015-01-23T22:57:07 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-23T22:57:09 < qyx_> libopencm3 has to be before -lc -lgcc -lnosys 2015-01-23T22:57:59 < jpa-> or within your --start-group --end-group 2015-01-23T22:58:12 < jpa-> i usually just put all the shit in --start-group --end-group 2015-01-23T22:58:21 < jpa-> no more thinking 2015-01-23T23:05:39 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-23T23:23:56 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-23T23:26:02 < qyx_> continuing with scons 2015-01-23T23:26:04 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/62tpk 2015-01-23T23:26:09 < qyx_> doesn't work :S 2015-01-23T23:26:57 < jpa-> it creates nothing 2015-01-23T23:27:20 < jpa-> put target = something there and get rid of those depends lines 2015-01-23T23:27:22 < jpa-> err 2015-01-23T23:27:22 < zyp> the Depends-line is pretty useless 2015-01-23T23:27:26 < jpa-> there is target.. 2015-01-23T23:27:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-23T23:28:41 < jpa-> how does it not work? 2015-01-23T23:28:52 < qyx_> apparently quite easily 2015-01-23T23:29:06 < jpa-> i mean, what does it do or not do? 2015-01-23T23:29:06 < qyx_> elf = Program(blah..) 2015-01-23T23:29:17 < qyx_> id doesn't run size on the output 2015-01-23T23:29:26 < qyx_> however scons elfsize works 2015-01-23T23:29:56 < zyp> let's see 2015-01-23T23:30:38 < qyx_> running scons elf elfsize does everything as expected 2015-01-23T23:30:54 < jpa-> so 'scons elf' does not work and that is your problem? 2015-01-23T23:31:15 < qyx_> of course it does 2015-01-23T23:31:25 < jpa-> so plain 'elf' does not work? 2015-01-23T23:31:26 < qyx_> but it doesn't run elfsize after build 2015-01-23T23:31:27 < jpa-> err 2015-01-23T23:31:29 < zyp> works for me 2015-01-23T23:31:42 < qyx_> wat 2015-01-23T23:31:44 < zyp> with only env.Command 2015-01-23T23:31:46 < jpa-> qyx_: 'elfsize' depends on 'elf', but as soon as 'elf' is done the 'scons elf' exits 2015-01-23T23:31:58 < zyp> qyx_, do you have a Default-statement? 2015-01-23T23:32:04 < gxti> scones 2015-01-23T23:32:04 < qyx_> yes 2015-01-23T23:32:22 < zyp> IIRC AlwaysBuild only affects currency tracking, not whether something should be built by default or not 2015-01-23T23:32:29 < zyp> so you should add elfsize to Default 2015-01-23T23:32:34 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/gy5tf 2015-01-23T23:32:44 < qyx_> this is the whole thing 2015-01-23T23:32:53 < zyp> Default(elf, elfsize) 2015-01-23T23:33:12 < qyx_> ok, then i assume that depends is actually needed 2015-01-23T23:33:19 < zyp> no 2015-01-23T23:33:22 < qyx_> to order things 2015-01-23T23:33:32 < zyp> the source is already a dependency 2015-01-23T23:33:39 < qyx_> makes sense 2015-01-23T23:33:56 < qyx_> ok, works now 2015-01-23T23:34:05 < zyp> and you can remove AlwaysBuild, since elfsize won't exist as a file 2015-01-23T23:35:03 < jpa-> another way is to do env.Alias('elf', 'elfsize') if you want that 'elfsize' is always done when 'elf' is done 2015-01-23T23:35:03 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-23T23:35:22 < qyx_> i also removed the .bin alias 2015-01-23T23:36:01 < gxti> my scons crap ended up pretty messy. still better than the makefiles it replaced though. 2015-01-23T23:39:19 < qyx_> you could laugh at mine --- Day changed Sat Jan 24 2015 2015-01-24T00:06:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:10:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T00:17:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:20:50 < Getty> anyone a funny idea what todo with 100 microSD->SD adapters? ;) 2015-01-24T00:21:17 -!- znnn [~zn414@103.247.48.158] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:23:22 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-24T00:23:52 < kakeman> got them cheap I guess? 2015-01-24T00:24:43 < kakeman> making new design with standard size sd -> mmeh? 2015-01-24T00:24:54 < kakeman> new cards come all with adapter I guess 2015-01-24T00:26:18 < Getty> you cant buy microsd without them, thats more like the point 2015-01-24T00:26:30 < Getty> the cheapest microsd we can get (without waiting for china) are all delivered packed with the adapter 2015-01-24T00:26:33 < kakeman> Getty: carry them in your pocket and throw them anywhere one at the time 2015-01-24T00:26:46 < Getty> hehe just to drive some people mad? 2015-01-24T00:26:55 < kakeman> make sure every relative has at least one 2015-01-24T00:27:14 < Getty> or i make a breadcrumb towards some shop who sell SD cards 2015-01-24T00:27:21 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-24T00:27:25 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-24T00:27:42 < kakeman> little shops 2015-01-24T00:27:51 < kakeman> big ones have delivery chain 2015-01-24T00:28:06 < Getty> like laying arrows 2015-01-24T00:28:09 < Getty> "DONT GO HERE" 2015-01-24T00:28:15 < Getty> or text ;) 2015-01-24T00:28:19 < Getty> hehe 2015-01-24T00:28:49 * Getty just broke one..... 2015-01-24T00:28:51 < kakeman> just get rid of them 2015-01-24T00:28:55 < Getty> because i CAN! 2015-01-24T00:29:04 < kakeman> those will drive you mental 2015-01-24T00:29:12 < kakeman> keep 10 or so 2015-01-24T00:29:24 < Getty> i have at least 4 spare already 2015-01-24T00:29:36 < Getty> while i STILL store every microsd i own in an adapter 2015-01-24T00:29:54 < Getty> they are like a pest 2015-01-24T00:30:40 < kakeman> jsut throw those in some lobby that have potential users 2015-01-24T00:31:05 < Getty> the problem really is that noone needs those ;) 2015-01-24T00:31:24 < Getty> you cant buy a microsd without adapter, and i would bet only 15-20% need the adapter at all 2015-01-24T00:32:03 < kakeman> some stupid kid will take the whole lot and end up in same situation 2015-01-24T00:32:45 < Getty> heheh 2015-01-24T00:32:46 < kakeman> and when it goes around country it actually gains more adapters 2015-01-24T00:33:13 < Getty> then we should make an actual Burning Adapter event, where we worldwide burn all the useless adapters 2015-01-24T00:33:38 < kakeman> plastic is cheap 2015-01-24T00:33:46 < Getty> yeah well there are wires in there 2015-01-24T00:33:46 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-24T00:33:52 < Getty> hehehhee 2015-01-24T00:34:04 < Getty> "wires".... things that forward electricity ;) 2015-01-24T00:34:18 < kakeman> copper plated something 2015-01-24T00:34:24 < kakeman> *gold 2015-01-24T00:34:34 < Getty> gold?................. 2015-01-24T00:34:36 < Getty> you say 2015-01-24T00:34:42 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-24T00:35:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-24T00:39:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T00:46:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:47:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:52:15 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:56:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T00:57:32 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T00:57:51 < ds2> another friday... 2015-01-24T00:59:09 < kakeman> yet another 2015-01-24T00:59:15 < kakeman> it's good day to work 2015-01-24T01:00:53 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T01:11:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T01:15:12 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T01:28:37 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T01:29:04 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T01:30:11 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T01:36:23 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-24T01:40:31 -!- bvsh_ is now known as bvsh 2015-01-24T02:18:59 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-24T02:27:02 < kakeman> do you have recommendation of temperature range of led linear power modulation from 100% to 0% ? 2015-01-24T02:27:05 < kakeman> power led 2015-01-24T02:27:40 < kakeman> 55 to 75? 2015-01-24T02:28:47 < kakeman> celsius 2015-01-24T02:29:42 < kakeman> let's see crees recommendations 2015-01-24T02:30:49 < kakeman> at junction temperature output light power is 100% 2015-01-24T02:35:00 < kakeman> I think at junction temperature current should be ramped down 2015-01-24T02:35:32 < kakeman> so I ramp it down so at junction temperature it's 0 2015-01-24T02:36:16 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T02:36:18 < kakeman> already at 0. it's safe side then 2015-01-24T02:36:34 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-24T02:36:50 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T02:37:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T02:40:09 < kakeman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_management_of_high-power_LEDs#mediaviewer/File:CFD_LED_Free_Convection_Heat_Sink_Design.gif nice CFD 2015-01-24T02:55:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-24T02:59:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T03:45:37 < kakeman> hello 2015-01-24T04:00:26 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T04:01:06 < emeb_mac> look out - the swedish R2COM 2015-01-24T04:05:46 -!- alex20032 [b894ccba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.148.204.186] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-24T04:19:38 < kakeman> can I turn semihosting on/off in code level? 2015-01-24T04:19:57 < kakeman> #define SOMETHINGLIKENOSEMIHOSTING 2015-01-24T04:20:26 < kakeman> I think it's not the way to do it 2015-01-24T04:24:40 < kakeman> as I get board back alive I check if removing of semihosting includes and calls does something 2015-01-24T04:39:22 < kakeman> it seems that semihosting in use board doesn't work without debuger 2015-01-24T04:39:44 < emeb_mac> true 2015-01-24T04:40:02 < emeb_mac> I think it depends on what libs you link it to 2015-01-24T04:40:15 < emeb_mac> so it probably needs to be turned off at compile time 2015-01-24T04:40:22 < kakeman> ok 2015-01-24T04:40:49 < kakeman> so only by turning libs off from link configuration does the thing 2015-01-24T04:41:20 < emeb_mac> ifinkso 2015-01-24T04:51:04 < Getty> I AM BLIND I AM BLIND..... 2015-01-24T04:51:18 < Getty> just tested our device with 8 high powered LED stripes and made the mistake to look at them 2015-01-24T04:51:24 < Getty> now i see purple sprinkels...... 2015-01-24T04:55:58 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-24T05:03:30 < kakeman> that is something like what one person I know said to me on phone right after he tried to figure out why fuse wire of old explosive wont ignite 2015-01-24T05:04:02 < kakeman> it was internally burning fuse wire 2015-01-24T05:04:32 < Getty> hihi 2015-01-24T05:05:59 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-24T05:08:25 < kakeman> he has some near misses in his life 2015-01-24T05:09:54 < Getty> darwin will catch them all 2015-01-24T05:10:04 < kakeman> and he always tells that near miss doesn't count and little hits won't kill 2015-01-24T05:12:34 < kakeman> it's actually insightful 2015-01-24T05:13:31 < Getty> what doesnt kill you just doesnt tried hard enough 2015-01-24T05:15:18 < kakeman> let's stay alive Getty 2015-01-24T05:15:41 < kakeman> for a while 2015-01-24T05:15:48 < Getty> staying alive.. staying alive... ah ah ah ah staying aallllllliiiiiiiivvvvvveeeee 2015-01-24T05:16:05 < kakeman> I had death experience once 2015-01-24T05:16:23 < Getty> i had a "nearly lose all fingers" experience........................... 2015-01-24T05:16:31 < kakeman> *near 2015-01-24T05:16:45 < Getty> its now like 15 years ago and i still remember it like it was yesterday 2015-01-24T05:17:11 < kakeman> what you were doing? 2015-01-24T05:17:23 < Getty> having the hand at the wrong position on the car 2015-01-24T05:17:37 < Getty> and the car door just slammed like 1ms after i took them away 2015-01-24T05:18:14 < Getty> but since then i realized how important my fingers are for my life, not only job, but also chat, digital communication and shit 2015-01-24T05:18:46 < Getty> and i appreicate my fingers and protect them double, even my friends value my fingers special and dont ask me for work (like carrying stuff) that might hurt my fingers 2015-01-24T05:19:04 < gxti> are you a hand model 2015-01-24T05:19:11 < Getty> no but software developer ;) 2015-01-24T05:19:18 < Getty> do you think my hand is less worthy??? ;) 2015-01-24T05:21:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-24T05:21:57 < Getty> my other friend is working in print, we stated already that he just needs his arm and a finger to click the one button of his mouse..... he was not amused.... apple people ;) 2015-01-24T05:22:19 < kakeman> :D 2015-01-24T05:22:55 < kakeman> when I was kid I slammed car door on my fingers 2015-01-24T05:23:03 < kakeman> for no reason 2015-01-24T05:23:14 < kakeman> nails came off and stuff 2015-01-24T05:23:22 < Getty> yeah fuck dude 2015-01-24T05:23:33 < Getty> oh dear 2015-01-24T05:24:14 < kakeman> could not help it 2015-01-24T05:24:27 < kakeman> ate snails and shit literally 2015-01-24T05:24:53 < Getty> and you are no psychopath? 2015-01-24T05:25:05 < kakeman> who said I wasn't? 2015-01-24T05:25:08 < Getty> or lets say, felt "American Psycho" like a normal life to you? 2015-01-24T05:25:29 -!- bezoka [~a@dial-279.jgora.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T05:25:29 < kakeman> somewhat 2015-01-24T05:27:55 < Getty> are you working in military or medical areas? 2015-01-24T05:28:54 < kakeman> nope 2015-01-24T05:28:57 < Getty> good 2015-01-24T05:29:07 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-24T05:30:17 < Getty> but i am doing irc while in the bath, so what do i know 2015-01-24T05:31:32 < kakeman> I do irc in sauna 2015-01-24T05:31:54 < kakeman> 80celsius and rh% around 100 2015-01-24T05:32:14 < kakeman> water proof phone certainly 2015-01-24T05:36:59 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-24T05:42:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T05:57:21 -!- bezoka [~a@dial-279.jgora.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-24T05:57:24 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T06:01:07 -!- znnn [~zn414@103.247.48.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T06:06:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-24T06:12:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T06:15:03 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dowqkunbvoulibft] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T06:24:15 < Getty> ..... i did a last test..... 2015-01-24T06:24:32 * Getty tries to grab the sprinkels with his hands 2015-01-24T06:28:30 < kakeman> 6:30AM 2015-01-24T06:28:36 < kakeman> maybe morning coffee soon 2015-01-24T06:53:12 < kakeman> after the coffee 2015-01-24T06:53:33 < kakeman> stimulants first, dry run next 2015-01-24T06:53:54 < kakeman> not today 2015-01-24T06:54:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-24T06:55:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T07:11:54 < upgrdman> lolwut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lft51kJdDxc 2015-01-24T07:20:13 < PeterM> what are you doing wiht your time R2COM? 2015-01-24T07:20:41 < PeterM> clearly not makin helicopters 2015-01-24T07:25:11 < PeterM> R2COM: would you fly in that deathtrap? 2015-01-24T07:26:16 < PeterM> isure as hell would too 2015-01-24T07:30:39 < PeterM> that gun is more ofa canon 2015-01-24T07:30:47 < PeterM> ive seen it shot before 2015-01-24T07:30:55 < PeterM> havent had the pleasuremyself though 2015-01-24T07:31:51 < PeterM> "survived" 2015-01-24T07:33:49 < PeterM> i'd have liked to see some nice front on shots imho 2015-01-24T07:37:53 < PeterM> thats not an imac and thats not a 20mm 2015-01-24T07:40:10 < PeterM> i remember seeing this a while ago...‌ vimeo tho 2015-01-24T07:40:32 < PeterM> http://vimeo.com/28968265 2015-01-24T07:43:23 < PeterM> l2 use a drill lol 2015-01-24T07:47:44 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-24T07:55:01 < kakeman> when it goes to drilling and bending iphones 2015-01-24T07:55:18 < kakeman> and magicians 2015-01-24T07:55:35 < kakeman> meh 2015-01-24T08:04:45 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-24T08:14:52 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T08:33:16 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-24T08:47:35 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:04:19 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:11:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.58] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:17:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-24T09:22:40 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-24T09:27:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:55:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:57:22 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-24T09:57:46 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:59:33 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T09:59:33 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-24T09:59:33 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T10:24:02 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199.195.151.246] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-24T10:41:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T10:48:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T10:48:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-24T10:48:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T10:55:27 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-24T10:57:26 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T11:14:08 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T11:42:11 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-24T12:26:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T12:27:35 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-24T12:28:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-24T12:34:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-24T12:40:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.28.236] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T12:54:00 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVm1Ecl9ackE2czA/view?usp=sharing mini360 buckdown module idle current 2015-01-24T12:55:01 < kakeman> that chinese meter has even uA range with scope kind of 2015-01-24T12:56:34 < kakeman> I didn't believe when psu said 0.02A 2015-01-24T13:05:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.28.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-24T13:24:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T13:26:17 < qyx_> what is mini360 2015-01-24T13:27:32 < kakeman> chinese innovation 2015-01-24T13:27:42 < kakeman> dc-dc 2015-01-24T13:30:09 < kakeman> maybe if I cap it heavily idle current drops and output ripple be gone 2015-01-24T13:32:15 < Roklobsta> low esr don't forget 2015-01-24T13:32:30 < Roklobsta> maybe not 2015-01-24T13:32:43 < Roklobsta> how's the cap coming off the inductor? 2015-01-24T13:33:53 < kakeman> I think it's one size bigger than 0805 2015-01-24T13:34:16 < kakeman> few micros I guess 2015-01-24T13:34:50 < kakeman> not sufficient with non fancy buck driver 2015-01-24T13:36:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.6.222] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T13:37:07 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM0p0ZkRibmR5dFk/view?usp=sharing it's just too long 2015-01-24T13:37:10 < kakeman> to look ok 2015-01-24T13:38:12 < Roklobsta> bike light? 2015-01-24T13:38:13 < kakeman> but length can be faded with design of case 2015-01-24T13:38:29 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-24T13:38:34 < qyx_> do you know that your cap is useless with that long traces? 2015-01-24T13:38:39 < qyx_> also.. 1 cap.. 2015-01-24T13:39:01 < Roklobsta> yeah cap must be close to inductor 2015-01-24T13:39:12 < qyx_> also.. where is output cap? 2015-01-24T13:39:15 < qyx_> *output caps 2015-01-24T13:39:33 < Roklobsta> it's a radio jammer now 2015-01-24T13:39:45 < kakeman> board has like 2 sides 2015-01-24T13:39:49 < kakeman> and 4layers 2015-01-24T13:39:54 < qyx_> and what 2015-01-24T13:40:05 < qyx_> are capacitors hidden? 2015-01-24T13:40:17 < kakeman> there is output caps under 2015-01-24T13:40:27 < kakeman> something like 10micros per channel 2015-01-24T13:40:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-24T13:40:43 < kakeman> if I remember right 2015-01-24T13:41:14 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-24T13:41:26 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T13:41:30 < kakeman> also shunts under 2015-01-24T13:41:31 < qyx_> and i like your single vias on the inductors 2015-01-24T13:42:04 < qyx_> or maybe thats just feedback 2015-01-24T13:42:51 < kakeman> it doesn't put amps out anyways hmm 2015-01-24T13:43:11 < kakeman> but let me se 2015-01-24T13:43:17 < qyx_> these inductors look like 2A at least 2015-01-24T13:44:14 < kakeman> there 100uH inductors saturated at 5.7Amps or so 2015-01-24T13:44:17 < kakeman> these 2015-01-24T13:44:50 < kakeman> little value inductors in same package went to 10A 2015-01-24T13:45:55 < kakeman> i think 330uH was only few amps 2015-01-24T13:46:09 < qyx_> next revision must be 10x20mm max 2015-01-24T13:47:12 < qyx_> and handle 2A 2015-01-24T13:49:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T13:49:28 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-24T13:49:28 < kakeman> it has to go shorter 2015-01-24T13:49:28 < kakeman> maller inductors 2015-01-24T13:49:28 < kakeman> smaller 2015-01-24T13:49:41 < kakeman> that one cap is right another side of quad driver 2015-01-24T13:49:51 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T13:50:17 < kakeman> and has 5micros of ceramics right at the side of it 2015-01-24T13:51:39 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nrfgxmlzhftskzqs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T13:52:27 < kakeman> smaller resistors 2015-01-24T13:52:40 < kakeman> tssop opamp 2015-01-24T13:53:41 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-79-249.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-24T13:54:52 < kakeman> everything smaller 2015-01-24T13:56:13 < kakeman> i need faster switching and faster adc 2015-01-24T13:56:47 < kakeman> better mcu to save space and costs in other parts 2015-01-24T14:04:48 -!- bezoka [~a@78.8.101.255] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T14:07:42 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-24T14:08:18 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T14:10:27 -!- cyber37 [~mathieu@190.72.132.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T14:14:07 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T14:14:23 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ucgsqpdyifverbqp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T14:26:39 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T14:27:57 < jadew> does anyone has any experience with buying from taobao? 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and what speed? 2015-01-24T16:11:25 < Laurenceb__> stoRAGE 2015-01-24T16:12:23 < Laurenceb__> whats the speed? 2015-01-24T16:12:37 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/gpgy5 2015-01-24T16:12:41 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/vmfga 2015-01-24T16:12:45 < qyx_> 3.4K/sec :P 2015-01-24T16:12:50 < Laurenceb__> lawl 2015-01-24T16:12:58 * Laurenceb__ managed 900K 2015-01-24T16:13:08 < qyx_> thats writing speed over 115200 baud xmodem 2015-01-24T16:13:18 < qyx_> direct programming goes at about 8K/s 2015-01-24T16:13:34 < qyx_> but this is caused by metadata reads 2015-01-24T16:22:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@m83-185-244-43.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T16:26:54 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T16:57:50 -!- cyber37 [~mathieu@190.72.132.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2015-01-24T17:00:52 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-24T17:10:43 < Fleck> is there a documentation for tehnical terms? like... 3-stage pipeline for example? 2015-01-24T17:11:53 < jpa-> for all technical terms in the world? 2015-01-24T17:12:00 < jpa-> sure, google.co 2015-01-24T17:12:25 < Fleck> no, stm :D 2015-01-24T17:20:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T17:20:45 < qyx_> 3-stage pipeline is a generic term 2015-01-24T17:21:03 < qyx_> as jpa said 2015-01-24T17:21:58 < Fleck> I know what is 3-stage pipeline :D not the point... 2015-01-24T17:21:59 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T17:22:07 < Fleck> just example :/ 2015-01-24T17:25:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.6.222] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T17:27:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T17:39:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T17:50:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T18:31:25 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T18:32:30 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.6.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-24T18:39:35 -!- bezoka [~a@78.8.101.255] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T18:48:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-24T18:58:23 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T18:58:55 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T19:01:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.178] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T19:11:04 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T19:11:21 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T19:29:28 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-24T19:43:40 < yan_> i'm seeing weird behavior when loading my binary via openocd/gdb. $sp is set to an incorrect value. I made sure that _stack (variable that is set to the first word of the isr vector) is correct. dumping symbols on the elf correctly says it's at 0x20004000. however, when i load and start the binary, _stack is assigned a seemingly random value of 0x2638c1a4 .. any thoughts on what can be corrupting it? 2015-01-24T19:59:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T20:06:34 < PaulFertser> yan_: hey 2015-01-24T20:06:47 < PaulFertser> yan_: are you sure your ld script is correct 2015-01-24T20:07:00 < PaulFertser> yan_: are you flashing the binary with gdb "load"? 2015-01-24T20:07:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@m83-185-244-43.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T20:09:10 < PaulFertser> yan_: and what openocd version is that? 2015-01-24T20:10:15 < PaulFertser> yan_: also, how do you check the contents of _stack, is it a variable even? I thought it's just a virtual symbol set by linker, not a real variable. Better do stepi once and check $sp contents. 2015-01-24T20:15:36 < yan_> PaulFertser: ld script hasn't changed since it worked.. it also looks accurate. i'm flashing with gdb's "load" 2015-01-24T20:16:47 < yan_> PaulFertser: and $sp is set to: $1 = 0xe0042300 2015-01-24T20:17:13 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! I just know you're gonna fail.] 2015-01-24T20:19:01 < yan_> PaulFertser: it's already set in reset_handler 2015-01-24T20:26:44 < PaulFertser> yan_: current openocd version does "reset halt" after you load. 2015-01-24T20:28:18 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T20:29:09 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-24T20:30:14 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-24T20:32:35 < yan_> PaulFertser: why would that corrupt $sp so bad? and any way to revert that? 2015-01-24T20:35:31 < PaulFertser> yan_: are you sure you really observe it after starting to stepi through the reset_handler code? 2015-01-24T20:35:58 < PaulFertser> yan_: also, what openocd version is that? 0.8.0 or 0.7.0? 2015-01-24T20:37:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T20:38:16 < yan_> PaulFertser: 0.8.0 2015-01-24T20:38:18 < yan_> PaulFertser: and: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b06ae047cee8f78bf01c 2015-01-24T20:39:55 < PaulFertser> yan_: ok, so 0.8.0 does "reset halt" so it's the target cpu that sets $sp, and it does so based on the first word of 0x08000000 . What do you see if you try "p/x *0x08000000" ? 2015-01-24T20:40:27 < yan_> PaulFertser: it's set correctly..: $2 = 0x20004000 2015-01-24T20:41:02 < PaulFertser> yan_: what's the $pc value right after load and after a single stepi? 2015-01-24T20:41:10 < PaulFertser> And sp value after that? 2015-01-24T20:41:46 < yan_> PaulFertser: $pc = 0x08003922 , and $sp = 0xe0042300 2015-01-24T20:42:22 < yan_> PaulFertser: info symbol 0x08003922 -> reset_handler + 2 in section .text 2015-01-24T20:44:47 < PaulFertser> yan_: hm, really weird 2015-01-24T20:46:45 < yan_> PaulFertser: this also worked previously in this exact configuration.. i wonder if it could be a hardware issue 2015-01-24T20:48:17 < yan_> PaulFertser: hah, i just tried changing the Idd measure jumper 2015-01-24T20:48:18 < yan_> and it worked 2015-01-24T20:50:39 < PaulFertser> :-o 2015-01-24T21:02:30 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:02:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-24T21:06:31 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:11:16 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:21:23 < yan_> on an unrelated note, has anyone had success with nordic's library for the nrf8001 w/ the stm32? i'm close to rewriting their library 2015-01-24T21:28:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@m83-185-244-43.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:31:32 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:31:32 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-24T21:31:32 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:33:34 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-24T21:35:11 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-24T21:37:40 < Roklobotomy> nope 2015-01-24T21:37:50 < Roklobotomy> it'd be a rare combination 2015-01-24T21:38:21 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-24T21:38:40 < qyx_> ok, adding read cache actually slowed the filesystem down 2015-01-24T21:39:24 < zyp> due to lack of pipelining/prefetching? 2015-01-24T21:39:29 < zyp> or just overhead? 2015-01-24T21:40:06 < qyx_> due to bad design 2015-01-24T21:40:30 < qyx_> or rather too simple design 2015-01-24T21:43:13 < qyx_> ok, lets call it a feature and rollback \o/ 2015-01-24T21:44:23 < yan_> Roklobotomy: why rare? 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2015-01-25T00:45:04 < zyp> stm32f3? 2015-01-25T00:45:10 < kakeman> high speed I mean something around 2msps or so 2015-01-25T00:45:22 < zyp> 2msps per channel? 2015-01-25T00:45:33 < zyp> i.e. at least 16msps in total 2015-01-25T00:45:38 < kakeman> 8ch mux 2015-01-25T00:45:45 < zyp> that's what I mean 2015-01-25T00:45:46 < kakeman> one adc 2015-01-25T00:46:01 < kakeman> just 2msps adc 2015-01-25T00:46:12 < zyp> so only 250 ksps per channel? 2015-01-25T00:46:27 < zyp> doesn't almost any stm32 fit that bill? 2015-01-25T00:50:10 < kakeman> more like 1msps or more per channel for 2channels 2015-01-25T00:50:29 < kakeman> but 7channels total need 2015-01-25T00:50:38 < kakeman> lower speed stuff on others 2015-01-25T00:51:08 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1576/LN1531/PF258876 <- stm32f303 apparently has two adcs that can do 5msps each 2015-01-25T00:51:57 < kakeman> cortex M4 doesn't sound too low end but ehm.. 2015-01-25T00:52:03 < kakeman> if it does the job 2015-01-25T00:52:23 < zyp> well, no 2015-01-25T00:53:17 < zyp> but stm32f3 is designed with analog stuff in mind, so it's the family with the best analog performance 2015-01-25T00:55:38 < Laurenceb__> anyone want to find the fail in my project? 2015-01-25T00:55:40 < Laurenceb__> Silabs/Si446x_thread.c:270:8: error: 'GBIOB_NIRQ' undeclared (first use in this function) 2015-01-25T00:55:51 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Tx_board 2015-01-25T00:57:02 < zyp> GBIO? 2015-01-25T00:57:11 < zyp> british io? 2015-01-25T00:57:22 < kakeman> price is reasonable 2015-01-25T00:57:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T00:57:41 < kakeman> it has opamps so that I could connect shunts directly? 2015-01-25T00:58:02 < zyp> provided you don't exceed the voltage limits on the pins 2015-01-25T00:58:13 < Laurenceb__> omg 2015-01-25T00:58:19 < Laurenceb__> I fail so hard 2015-01-25T00:58:27 < Laurenceb__> thqanx 2015-01-25T00:59:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T01:01:38 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ traded his brains for a phd? 2015-01-25T01:01:46 < Laurenceb__> yup 2015-01-25T01:12:04 -!- bezoka [~a@78.8.101.255] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-25T01:17:07 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T01:17:34 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-25T01:19:19 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T01:24:02 < upgrdman> zyp, how would someone use those dual 5MSps ADCs on a 72MHz uc? just DMA to RAM and only run the ADCs in bursts? 2015-01-25T01:25:09 < zyp> depends on your application 2015-01-25T01:37:01 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T01:37:45 < kakeman> you sample voltages and currents in power control application 2015-01-25T01:37:55 < kakeman> at high speed 2015-01-25T01:38:54 < zyp> there's a continous mode, so you can just set an appropriate sample rate and process data as they flow in 2015-01-25T01:39:31 < zyp> or you could indeed run small bursts trigged by something 2015-01-25T01:40:08 < zyp> I guess you'd want to do the latter if your application calls for having the samples grouped closely together in time 2015-01-25T01:44:24 < upgrdman> well i just mean, how do you process 10M samples with a 72MHz uc? 7ish cycles, at best (not counting ISR overhead, etc.) to do anything with them. 2015-01-25T01:44:49 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-25T01:44:52 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-25T01:45:38 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-25T01:45:47 < kakeman> certainly not trying to 2015-01-25T01:50:07 < zyp> upgrdman, well, you have DMA 2015-01-25T01:50:18 < zyp> but I'm not sure where you would DMA them to :p 2015-01-25T01:50:23 < upgrdman> :) 2015-01-25T01:50:56 < zyp> FS USB wouldn't be able to keep up with that, and I don't think there's anything else in F3 that would either 2015-01-25T01:51:22 < upgrdman> wonder what the ENOB of those 12bit 5MSps ADCs are... 6? 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have you ever killed mcu with heat trying to remove it etc.? 2015-01-25T05:16:52 < kakeman> just put a biggest solder lumb possible to mcu an heated pins for like a 45seconds 2015-01-25T05:23:40 < kakeman> and it took few tries 2015-01-25T05:30:55 < upgrdman> use hot air. 2015-01-25T05:31:29 < upgrdman> that said, i have successfully reused lqfp64 chips that i removed with an iron, but i don't think i took "45 seconds" like you did. 2015-01-25T05:31:37 < upgrdman> maybe 20 2015-01-25T05:35:55 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-106-92.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:36:55 -!- LeelooMinai_ is now known as LeelooMinai 2015-01-25T05:37:44 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:40:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:45:24 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:46:20 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-25T05:48:16 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:49:26 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-25T05:50:52 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:51:07 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-25T05:52:04 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 2015-01-25T05:52:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 2015-01-25T05:52:05 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 2015-01-25T05:53:17 -!- ReadError [~ReadError@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T05:55:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T06:01:21 < kakeman> so my debugger died when I shorted one gpio to 12V 2015-01-25T06:01:28 < upgrdman> lol 2015-01-25T06:01:56 < kakeman> programmed with uart no problems 2015-01-25T06:08:07 < upgrdman> "Buy now, and we'll throw in a FREE Arduino and an ass-vibrator!" 2015-01-25T06:08:08 < upgrdman> lol 2015-01-25T06:08:52 < PeterM> takin mah links R2COM? 2015-01-25T06:09:29 < PeterM> (3:08:55 PM) R2COM: i love dicks 2015-01-25T06:09:47 < PeterM> because of jpa- s logs no one will be any the wiser 2015-01-25T06:10:49 < PeterM> but they will know i didnt say it because the logs will shgow what i said 2015-01-25T06:11:07 < PeterM> ehh 2015-01-25T06:11:15 < PeterM> anyway, funny website 2015-01-25T06:14:49 < PeterM> R2COM: shotting games or chest high wall simulators? 2015-01-25T06:14:56 < PeterM> shootign eve 2015-01-25T06:14:58 < PeterM> even 2015-01-25T06:16:24 < PeterM> battledutymodernwarfield or arma? 2015-01-25T06:17:00 < PeterM> well, cs is ok but overall, agreed 2015-01-25T06:17:52 < PeterM> yeah, arma has the perffect amount of runnign simulation 2015-01-25T06:19:14 < PeterM> yes 2015-01-25T06:19:34 < PeterM> you wasteland or what? 2015-01-25T06:38:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-25T06:50:36 -!- inca_ is now known as inca 2015-01-25T06:50:48 < upgrdman> oh japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5VqXNd2w8&feature=youtu.be 2015-01-25T06:50:55 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-223-24.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-25T06:53:12 < Roklobotomy> upgrdman: really, the world needs to relax and have more of those festivals. 2015-01-25T06:53:26 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-25T06:53:35 < gxti> where's the racoon with the giant balls? 2015-01-25T06:53:58 < upgrdman> i wouldnt mind attenting one of those. bet the after party is fun 2015-01-25T06:54:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T06:54:56 < baird> Sausage Party... 2015-01-25T07:13:48 < englishman> ATTN dongs http://i.imgur.com/bOxBw7q.gif 2015-01-25T07:14:37 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-25T07:18:00 < MjrTom> oh lol idk you are in there :) 2015-01-25T07:18:02 < MjrTom> wc 2015-01-25T07:46:08 < upgrdman> wtf http://youtu.be/tEbgAB269ik?t=3m48s 2015-01-25T07:48:33 < upgrdman> atgm? 2015-01-25T07:49:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-25T07:50:13 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T08:08:58 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T08:17:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-25T08:34:48 -!- ryankara1on [~rak@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-25T08:42:25 -!- ryankarason [~rak@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T09:03:42 -!- effractu1 is now known as effractur 2015-01-25T09:29:25 -!- Devilhol1 is now known as Devilholk 2015-01-25T09:38:10 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-25T09:39:34 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:04:58 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:09:43 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:13:04 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:13:05 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-25T10:19:49 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-25T10:19:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:27:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.202] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:30:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-25T10:32:27 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T10:37:18 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:42:58 < dymk> hey guys, i made a thing http://209.141.47.194/system/dls/micromouse_3.png 2015-01-25T10:43:41 < dymk> which'd be the micromouse robot i've been asking questions about for the past few weeks here 2015-01-25T10:44:27 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:45:03 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:47:04 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-25T10:49:15 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-57-142.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T10:51:36 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T10:55:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:01:28 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-25T11:02:14 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:02:20 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-25T11:02:39 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:03:20 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:09:54 < upgrdman> dymk, looks like a penis with a slot punched out of it 2015-01-25T11:10:18 < dymk> that's exactly what my roommate thinks too 2015-01-25T11:10:54 < upgrdman> should put some big toroid inductors on the end, positioned as the balls 2015-01-25T11:12:18 < jpa-> i thought about putting the toroid in the slot, but then i remembered that is not actually a penis 2015-01-25T11:13:04 < upgrdman> you made a micromouse? got pix? 2015-01-25T11:21:18 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:22:36 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-126-110.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:24:27 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-106-92.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-25T11:39:25 < dymk> upgrdman, getting board fabbed, haven't built it yet 2015-01-25T11:40:51 < jpa-> did you mean: fapped? 2015-01-25T11:44:21 < dymk> that's exactly what i mean 2015-01-25T11:44:37 < dymk> i wasn't entirely sure how to safely get usb power to work with it so i slapped a bunch of diodes on it 2015-01-25T11:44:45 < dymk> and hopefully it'll work 2015-01-25T11:45:50 < dymk> weird that OSH park's render misaligns text on the silkscreen so much 2015-01-25T11:47:24 < zyp> you guys must have some weird penises to think that looks similar 2015-01-25T11:51:35 < qyx_> dymk: bacause you have to use vector fonts 2015-01-25T11:51:39 < qyx_> -because 2015-01-25T11:51:53 -!- bairdynomnom_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-198-41.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T11:53:41 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-126-110.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-25T11:55:01 < qyx_> also 2015-01-25T11:55:07 < qyx_> again.. switching regulator layout 2015-01-25T12:00:31 < jpa-> yeah, the left side ground trace will have significant noise compared to right side 2015-01-25T12:01:28 < qyx_> dymk: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snva021c/snva021c.pdf 2015-01-25T12:16:37 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T12:34:51 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T12:35:08 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T12:43:33 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-25T12:47:59 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T12:50:56 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-66-127.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T12:52:51 -!- bairdynomnom_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-198-41.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-25T12:56:05 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T13:00:52 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-25T13:15:03 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-25T13:18:09 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-25T13:38:02 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T13:43:02 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T13:50:03 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T13:50:03 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-25T13:50:03 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T13:56:56 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T14:03:55 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-01-25T14:04:07 < dongs> im back from innovative best korea trip 2015-01-25T14:05:11 < Steffann> did they enjoy it? 2015-01-25T14:05:41 < dongs> quite 2015-01-25T14:05:49 < dongs> im gonna fire the dildo guy tho 2015-01-25T14:06:00 < dongs> last ~week all he's been talking aobut is PWM wiht 555 2015-01-25T14:06:23 < zyp> heh 2015-01-25T14:06:35 < Steffann> i was almost going to report you missing, no blogs, no zanoconspiracying.. 2015-01-25T14:06:52 < dongs> zano has dug themselves in so deep its going to take a miracle for them to unfuck tehmselves 2015-01-25T14:10:06 < qyx_> did lantronix send you the benchmarks? 2015-01-25T14:10:26 < dongs> nope, which means im calling them monday and asking wtf 2015-01-25T14:10:36 < dongs> they sent a reply to another guy tho 2015-01-25T14:10:41 < dongs> but m,ostly useless 2015-01-25T14:11:26 < dongs> On serial device servers the bottleneck is usually the serial interface. The maximum serial speed supported by the xPico WiFi is 921.6 Kbps. 2015-01-25T14:11:29 < dongs> The maximum transfer rate will be somewhat lower depending on the type of serial flow control being used, the packing algorithm, type of WiFi 2015-01-25T14:11:33 < dongs> network (b/g/n), WiFi Security, distance between the xPico WiFi and the Access Point, EMI in the environment and other variables that make it 2015-01-25T14:11:36 < dongs> impossible to specify a maximum transfer rate. 2015-01-25T14:11:56 < dongs> (nothing i dndt already know, and that wasny reply to MY request) 2015-01-25T14:15:48 < dongs> k bed 2015-01-25T14:19:57 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T14:32:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iytqelnvggpddear] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T14:34:45 -!- Matt_soton is now known as mattbrejza 2015-01-25T14:43:04 < TheSeven> nice erratum: "In USART mode, the Get-Version command (defined in AN3155) returns 0x20 instead of 0x20." 2015-01-25T14:43:04 < TheSeven> (from http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00167594.pdf 5.3.3) 2015-01-25T14:43:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T15:01:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T15:03:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-25T15:03:01 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2015-01-25T15:07:11 < _Sync_> dongs: wat pwm with 555? 2015-01-25T15:11:55 < Laurenceb__> dildo guy? 2015-01-25T15:12:12 < Laurenceb__> automated autoerotic asphyxiation is where its at 2015-01-25T15:22:37 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-25T15:49:53 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-01-25T15:49:59 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T15:56:58 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T16:13:38 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T16:16:39 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T16:17:50 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T16:18:27 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T16:23:49 < TheSeven> hm I could have sworn that there was some information in AN2606 about which pins need to be at which levels (or some just not toggling) for the builtin bootloader to go into a particular mode 2015-01-25T16:24:03 < TheSeven> but it looks like that isn't there anymore in rev20... 2015-01-25T16:24:56 < TheSeven> I'm having trouble with an F205 board not going into DFU mode for some reason, wondering which pin is the culprit 2015-01-25T16:29:08 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2015-01-25T16:31:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T16:37:42 < zyp> I think vbus needs to be present 2015-01-25T16:39:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-25T16:40:43 < TheSeven> no, that only applies to f1xx 2015-01-25T16:41:18 < TheSeven> it works just fine on another f205 board which has different hardware on the uarts, so I guess it's one of those 2015-01-25T16:56:34 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T16:56:54 < Tectu> jpa- ping 2015-01-25T16:58:07 < Tectu> jpa- ping 2015-01-25T16:59:40 < Tectu> jpa- ping 2015-01-25T17:07:17 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-62-169.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T17:08:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-66-127.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-25T17:12:12 < jpa-> oh no 2015-01-25T17:12:12 < jpa-> pong 2015-01-25T17:12:13 < jpa-> pong 2015-01-25T17:12:14 < jpa-> pong 2015-01-25T17:13:58 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-25T17:15:54 < Tectu> jpa-, spa weekend for two 2015-01-25T17:15:57 < Tectu> jpa-, [Y/n] 2015-01-25T17:16:27 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-25T17:26:36 < jpa-> Y 2015-01-25T17:26:51 < emeb_mac> hot & sweaty sauna time? 2015-01-25T17:28:40 < Tectu> jpa-, better get your toe nails ready then 2015-01-25T17:29:09 < jpa-> what, you need toe nails for spa? 2015-01-25T17:29:59 < Tectu> nah, but there will be some foot fetishits be around for sure 2015-01-25T17:30:24 < jpa-> ah, yeah, you were one of those? 2015-01-25T17:30:29 < Tectu> no 2015-01-25T17:30:42 < Tectu> I'm just the regular guy going to have a spa weekend with you 2015-01-25T17:30:48 < Tectu> no fetishisms invovled at all 2015-01-25T17:33:10 < PeterM> hes there purely for the conversation 2015-01-25T17:33:31 < jpa-> Tectu: oh, i thought about spa weekend for two was a gift from you to me and my wife :| 2015-01-25T17:33:59 < Tectu> are you f**king serious? -.-' 2015-01-25T17:34:02 < Tectu> now that is a downer 2015-01-25T17:34:11 < PeterM> you have a wife? how long have you been cheating on him foir? 2015-01-25T17:34:55 < jpa-> what an embarrassing misunderstanding 2015-01-25T17:34:58 < Tectu> the more appropriate question would be whether he's cheating on her or on me 2015-01-25T17:35:09 < Tectu> jpa-, I will clearly never massage you again 2015-01-25T17:35:12 < zyp> you should obviously just go and have a threesome 2015-01-25T17:35:15 < zyp> problem solved 2015-01-25T17:35:33 < jpa-> but then tectu would be cheating on his gf 2015-01-25T17:35:39 < zyp> foursome? 2015-01-25T17:35:56 < Tectu> I'm not sure if jpa- could handle my gf 2015-01-25T17:36:09 < Tectu> (not fat jokes now please - she's anything but fat) 2015-01-25T17:36:50 < jpa-> yeah, too crazy for my taste 2015-01-25T17:37:11 < PeterM> wow, i didnt know you were into balding jewish albino midgets tectu 2015-01-25T17:37:29 < jpa-> not balding! 2015-01-25T17:37:34 < Tectu> wait, what did just happen? 2015-01-25T17:37:43 < PeterM> she's anything but fat 2015-01-25T17:37:47 < jpa-> luls 2015-01-25T17:37:56 < PeterM> that falls into that category 2015-01-25T17:38:24 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T17:38:51 < Tectu> jpa-, so you're trying to tell me that you'd prefer a spa weeked with your wife over a spa weekend with me? 2015-01-25T17:39:06 < PeterM> depends if he couldbring his laptop 2015-01-25T17:39:27 < Tectu> wife wouldn't allow it for sure 2015-01-25T17:39:31 < Tectu> also, humidty... 2015-01-25T17:39:34 < Tectu> humidity* 2015-01-25T17:40:01 < PeterM> you guys havent conformal coated your laptops innards? 2015-01-25T17:40:10 < jpa-> Tectu: of course i would prefer a weekend with you discussing ugfx licenses 2015-01-25T17:40:36 < Steffann> => #ugfx 2015-01-25T17:41:06 < Tectu> jpa-, I'm not sure if that would be the topic for more than 5 minutes 2015-01-25T17:42:12 < jpa-> oh but we've discussed it for years already 2015-01-25T17:42:40 < jpa-> surely you could hold back your lecherous hands for an hour atleast 2015-01-25T17:42:46 < Tectu> so being in a half-nacked spa situation with me would result in having the same conversations as via IRC? 2015-01-25T17:42:57 < PeterM> i guess you two would have to move on to other topics like favourite body butter scents etvc 2015-01-25T17:43:05 < jpa-> why does the spa keep coming up? 2015-01-25T17:43:12 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-25T17:43:16 < Tectu> jpa-, you already agreed 2015-01-25T17:43:24 < Tectu> jpa-, it's not like this is not going to happen 2015-01-25T17:44:48 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2015-01-25T17:44:54 < jpa-> btw, sauna is warming up now 2015-01-25T17:45:18 < jpa-> if you have some 'packets' to 'transmit' my way, now's the time 2015-01-25T17:45:28 < jpa-> i still have a few potatoes to peel before sauna 2015-01-25T17:45:37 < Steffanx> cant you do that there? 2015-01-25T17:45:56 < Tectu> Jesus 2015-01-25T17:45:59 < Steffanx> or just buy pre-peeled potatoes in the shop 2015-01-25T17:46:10 < Steffanx> *supermarket 2015-01-25T17:46:23 < Steffanx> or take wife out for dinner 2015-01-25T17:46:32 < jpa-> what, they sell pre-peeled potatoes? 2015-01-25T17:46:33 < PeterM> thefuck? pre-peeled potatoes? 2015-01-25T17:46:41 < jpa-> dutch are lazy! 2015-01-25T17:46:47 < Steffanx> or efficient 2015-01-25T17:46:59 < Tectu> or too high 2015-01-25T17:47:13 < Steffanx> where not all like dongs 2015-01-25T17:47:29 < Tectu> I've seen all the dongs in your museum in amsterdam... 2015-01-25T17:48:34 < Steffanx> boring. 2015-01-25T17:49:14 < Tectu> I'm curious, have you ever been in there? 2015-01-25T17:49:31 < Steffanx> nope 2015-01-25T17:50:42 -!- obarb is now known as brabo 2015-01-25T17:50:55 < jpa-> gah, i lost a screw 2015-01-25T17:50:59 < jpa-> it was my last one :( 2015-01-25T17:51:15 < Steffanx> hot glue time. 2015-01-25T17:51:37 < Tectu> or any sticky substance that you liek 2015-01-25T17:51:40 < Tectu> like* 2015-01-25T17:51:49 < Steffanx> are you on drugs mr Tectu? 2015-01-25T17:51:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T17:52:17 < Steffanx> fix ugfx 2015-01-25T17:52:38 < Tectu> Steffanx, too many things to fix there 2015-01-25T17:54:08 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fohenbsqftclatyr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-25T17:58:54 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wryuumsjdzzhamys] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T18:03:03 < Steffanx> so you at least know where to start 2015-01-25T18:04:01 < Laurenceb__> http://regmedia.co.uk/2015/01/21/google_internet_explorer.jpg 2015-01-25T18:15:35 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T18:52:42 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: ABLomas] 2015-01-25T18:57:26 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T18:58:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-25T19:06:02 -!- Smd__ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T19:06:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T19:09:45 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T19:11:15 -!- chrysn [~chrysn@prometheus.amsuess.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T19:15:25 -!- Guest94434 [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-25T19:15:25 -!- CrazySlippers [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-25T19:15:49 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: chrysn_, CheBuzz 2015-01-25T19:16:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CheBuzz 2015-01-25T19:18:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iytqelnvggpddear] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-25T19:22:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T19:25:20 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnatlmctbruzotco] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T19:36:24 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnatlmctbruzotco] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-25T19:52:10 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T19:59:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-25T20:01:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-25T20:11:58 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-25T20:13:21 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-25T20:24:33 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T20:33:10 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T20:44:33 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-25T20:51:43 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T20:51:51 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T20:58:37 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T21:14:04 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-25T21:16:01 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-25T21:39:16 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-62-169.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-25T21:41:13 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-25T21:47:42 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T21:51:55 < qyx_> it seems that i simply can't compile with -Werror 2015-01-25T21:52:06 < qyx_> too many warnings in third party code 2015-01-25T21:54:39 < Getty> yeah, its unbelievable how much is in there which is all easy to fix. Most of the time its just a casting that was forgotten 2015-01-25T21:55:04 < qyx_> ultimate goal -Wall -Wextra -pedantic --std=c99 -Wconversion -Werror and few others 2015-01-25T22:02:19 < Getty> yeah when i started to get into the C i also tried to make it with all warnings and everything, and made all my code superclear, no warnings.... 2015-01-25T22:02:25 < Getty> ... then i added the first external lib..... ;) 2015-01-25T22:30:09 < PaulFertser> qyx_: hm, -Wconversion seems interesting 2015-01-25T22:37:10 < qyx_> -Wwrite-strings is also interesting 2015-01-25T22:37:31 < qyx_> it warns you if you pass string literals as non-const function parameters 2015-01-25T22:41:37 < Steffanx> How many of you here compile with -O3? 2015-01-25T22:41:57 < Steffanx> Was playing around with that and it made my code run 50% faster, no weird side effects (yet) 2015-01-25T22:42:05 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wryuumsjdzzhamys] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-25T22:44:50 < qyx_> usually it makes my bin size much bigger 2015-01-25T22:44:59 < qyx_> but yes, i observed similar results few times 2015-01-25T22:45:32 < qyx_> i do -Os most of the time 2015-01-25T22:45:38 < Steffanx> in this case i care more about speed than size 2015-01-25T22:48:08 < Getty> mh noob question, lwip makes this void *arg option to allow you to have some structure around the tcp request. What i do then in the code is: struct http_state *hs = (struct http_state*)arg; 2015-01-25T22:48:34 < Getty> oh wait... i just answered the question myself.... sometimes you just need to talk loud about it 2015-01-25T22:49:14 < Getty> i was thinking if there is no method to "convert" it to struct http_state* without actually making a new pointer, but then i realized that would change it everywhere of course.... yeah sure... wouldnt be much appreciated 2015-01-25T22:50:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-25T23:07:20 < PaulFertser> Getty: in C you can omit that cast, as conversion both to and from void* can be implicit. Not in C++ though, so if one day you decide you want to compile it as C++... 2015-01-25T23:07:42 < Getty> hehe ok 2015-01-25T23:07:58 < Getty> i shouldnt tease the dragon.... 2015-01-25T23:08:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-25T23:16:41 -!- Lt_Lemming_ [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T23:16:41 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-25T23:17:06 -!- Lt_Lemming_ is now known as Lt_Lemming 2015-01-25T23:17:46 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-25T23:34:43 < Taxman> hi all 2015-01-25T23:42:40 -!- scrts_ [~quassel@46.17.57.19] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-25T23:42:40 -!- scrts_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-25T23:42:43 -!- scrts_ is now known as scrts 2015-01-25T23:55:24 < kakeman> so mcu moved with excees heating to other board 2015-01-25T23:55:47 < kakeman> stays mute --- Day changed Mon Jan 26 2015 2015-01-26T00:20:07 < kakeman> never seen spot on ld1117 but this one goes three desimals spot on 2015-01-26T00:36:25 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T00:36:30 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-26T00:39:17 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T00:40:58 < karlp> hehe, dongs == japan erection is awesome :) 2015-01-26T00:42:12 < karlp> heh, upgrdman, that footage of shells landing in ukrain, _same_ footage, was on the tv news here tonight 2015-01-26T00:45:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T00:51:05 < kakeman> have guys implied a mcu reset via full rs232? using some excess pins of rs232? 2015-01-26T00:52:11 < zyp> like arduino? 2015-01-26T00:52:39 < Getty> aaahhh!! he said it, he said it 2015-01-26T00:52:50 < kakeman> lemmesee 2015-01-26T00:53:16 < zyp> I'm not sure why you'd want it though 2015-01-26T00:54:50 < kakeman> for convenience 2015-01-26T00:55:48 < kakeman> ok 100n cap placed between dtr and reset 2015-01-26T00:55:53 < kakeman> smart thing 2015-01-26T00:56:27 < kakeman> +10k resistor to vcc 2015-01-26T00:56:52 < upgrdman> karlp, nice 2015-01-26T00:57:25 < kakeman> so no need for extra programs when com port settings are changed so that dtr goes low when com is active 2015-01-26T00:57:44 < kakeman> triggers reset when connection is made 2015-01-26T00:58:04 < karlp> when in doubt, add a ft232 and call it a duino, who needs debug 2015-01-26T00:59:07 < kakeman> if I just could drive isp pin low too 2015-01-26T00:59:14 < kakeman> without touching it 2015-01-26T00:59:26 < zyp> kakeman, sounds fairly inconvenient to me 2015-01-26T00:59:32 < kakeman> with wires and shiet that can make your board burn 2015-01-26T01:00:33 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euhefaxodhdemkai] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T01:00:54 < zyp> I can't imagine why you'd want to have reset on a serial control line, unless you're trying to do arduino-style bootloading 2015-01-26T01:00:55 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-26T01:01:32 < zyp> and arduino-style bootloading sounds like a waste of time when you have swd for development 2015-01-26T01:01:41 < zyp> and probably a bad idea for deployment 2015-01-26T01:07:28 < karlp> finns can't buy peeled potatos? heathens 2015-01-26T01:07:56 < kakeman> we don't 2015-01-26T01:08:27 < kakeman> some even grow own potatoes 2015-01-26T01:09:19 < kakeman> karlp: are you karl gustaf? 2015-01-26T01:09:41 < karlp> no. but I have a friend called gustaf. 2015-01-26T01:09:46 < zyp> what? peeled potatoes? 2015-01-26T01:09:49 < zyp> is that a thing? 2015-01-26T01:10:27 < kakeman> I think in countries were convenience is main priority 2015-01-26T01:10:36 < karlp> well, I only ever buy them if I'm doing large group cooking for a few select dishes that use peeled potatos 2015-01-26T01:10:45 < karlp> I normally eat the skins 2015-01-26T01:10:54 < karlp> most icelanders peel them all the time. 2015-01-26T01:11:01 < karlp> waste of time and flavour in my opinion 2015-01-26T01:11:18 < kakeman> I used to transport those half done potatoes to kitchens in one winter 2015-01-26T01:11:30 < zyp> I tend to not cook potatos myself, because I'm too lazy to deal with peeling them 2015-01-26T01:11:32 < kakeman> in 20kg vacuums 2015-01-26T01:11:59 < karlp> zyp: just eat the skins 2015-01-26T01:12:09 < kakeman> I got hungry seeing those bags 2015-01-26T01:12:17 < BrainDamage> some people here eat the skin, most don't 2015-01-26T01:12:28 < BrainDamage> remember you can just brush the skin off if you cba to peel 2015-01-26T01:12:33 < zyp> karlp, I had this exact discussion with my friend yesterday 2015-01-26T01:12:34 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T01:12:37 < BrainDamage> steel brush works 2015-01-26T01:12:42 < kakeman> skin is good for early potatoes 2015-01-26T01:12:53 < kakeman> easy to eat and non toxin 2015-01-26T01:13:09 < Steffanx> Dont we all let our moms do the peeling for us? 2015-01-26T01:13:15 < zyp> I'd say that depends on the kind of potato 2015-01-26T01:13:15 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T01:13:28 < zyp> Steffanx, my mom always peeled them before cooking, so yeah 2015-01-26T01:14:02 < karlp> massive waste of time :) 2015-01-26T01:14:13 < kakeman> should get a peeling maschine 2015-01-26T01:14:17 < kakeman> machine 2015-01-26T01:14:30 < kakeman> drop it in comes out peeled 2015-01-26T01:15:02 < zyp> karlp, like I said, it depends on the kind of the potato 2015-01-26T01:15:08 < zyp> some taste better with skin than others 2015-01-26T01:15:24 < zyp> and some dishes goes better with unpeeled potatos than others 2015-01-26T01:16:45 < karlp> indeed 2015-01-26T01:17:04 < Steffanx> And then you have the solanine .. but im not sure how bad that actually is 2015-01-26T01:17:20 < karlp> depends on the person I'm led to believe 2015-01-26T01:19:14 < karlp> got one of these yesterday: http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX10-CX10-Mini-24G-4CH-6-Axis-LED-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-926614.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=nydia&utm_campaign=Src-eu-CX10&gclid=CLq-pfejsMMCFRQatAodbwsAFg 2015-01-26T01:19:19 < karlp> soooo tiny! 2015-01-26T01:19:30 < karlp> way better for playing inside than the older one I had 2015-01-26T01:19:54 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T01:20:50 < Steffanx> hehe, always nice to have gadgets like that 2015-01-26T01:21:54 < karlp> I'm still just as sucky at flying, but the propellers just bend a bit and bend back, and it's more durable by far 2015-01-26T01:22:46 < Steffanx> Was about to say that, looks pretty unbreakable when you dont abuse it. 2015-01-26T01:24:40 < Steffanx> What's next? tiny copter war in the office? 2015-01-26T01:24:45 < zyp> I also bought some cheap stuff once 2015-01-26T01:25:05 < zyp> forgot what it was called 2015-01-26T01:25:38 < zyp> hubsan x4 2015-01-26T01:26:33 < upgrdman> karlp, looks kinda like mine, but with a different shell http://www.farrellf.com/temp/quadcopter.jpg 2015-01-26T01:28:04 < zyp> the hubsan is slightly larger 2015-01-26T01:28:33 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T01:28:34 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T01:33:14 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-26T01:33:34 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T01:38:01 < karlp> so, a guy locally just bought a 130W co2 laser, is that going to be usable for cutting stencils for 0.5mm ? 2015-01-26T01:41:37 < upgrdman> should be. iirc some people wiht 60w lasers were successful 2015-01-26T01:41:47 < upgrdman> well 2015-01-26T01:41:53 < upgrdman> i guess it depends on stencil material 2015-01-26T01:42:03 < upgrdman> could probably make do with 40w if cutting plastic :) 2015-01-26T01:42:12 < dongs> soda pop cans 2015-01-26T01:42:16 < dongs> but WHY FUCKING GHETTO IT 2015-01-26T01:42:22 < dongs> wehn you can get a trash stencil in china for $20 2015-01-26T01:42:29 < dongs> or non-trash one from proper places for more 2015-01-26T01:42:34 < dongs> is your time really that wrothless 2015-01-26T01:42:39 < zyp> > local 2015-01-26T01:42:50 < kakeman> instant 2015-01-26T01:42:50 < dongs> mine are local :p 2015-01-26T01:42:59 < dongs> i don't need the shit THAT fast. 2015-01-26T01:43:00 < kakeman> you live.. in japan? 2015-01-26T01:43:04 < dongs> no, isreal 2015-01-26T01:43:08 < zyp> true 2015-01-26T01:43:19 < kakeman> you seem like a yankee 2015-01-26T01:43:36 < zyp> unless you're ghettoing the board as well, you'd better just have both made at the same time 2015-01-26T01:43:41 < dongs> rite 2015-01-26T01:44:01 < kakeman> does those ghetto lasers cut copper? 2015-01-26T01:44:07 < kakeman> and stainless? 2015-01-26T01:44:29 < zyp> heh, could you etch a board with laser? 2015-01-26T01:44:44 < karlp> dongs: reason is that this is across the street 2015-01-26T01:44:59 < kakeman> ie. pcb prototyping? 2015-01-26T01:45:01 < karlp> I'm hoping to pay ~20 and have one in half the time with local contacts 2015-01-26T01:45:40 < zyp> I guess you'd cut all the way through the FR4 as soon as the laser goes through the copper 2015-01-26T01:45:47 < kakeman> there is value in having some own gear 2015-01-26T01:45:55 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-26T01:46:21 < kakeman> if you don't live let's say new york or tokio 2015-01-26T01:47:08 < zyp> I prefer just pipelining designs 2015-01-26T01:47:32 < zyp> have them properly fabbed, then work on other shit while they are being made 2015-01-26T01:47:40 < kakeman> no-touch product? 2015-01-26T01:47:54 < kakeman> just organize the shiet 2015-01-26T01:48:13 < kakeman> must be nice 2015-01-26T01:48:42 < zyp> I'm almost getting too lazy to ghetto-assemble boards myself too :/ 2015-01-26T01:49:21 < kakeman> some companys have peeps for that 2015-01-26T01:49:39 < kakeman> it's smart 2015-01-26T01:54:44 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T01:57:43 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-26T01:57:44 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-98-231-218-158.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-26T02:10:08 < kakeman> should debugger pull swdio low at making of connection? 2015-01-26T02:10:24 < kakeman> line doesn't trigger 2015-01-26T02:10:54 < kakeman> fortunatelly got uart programming to work 2015-01-26T02:13:11 < kakeman> unfortunatelly my uart code doesn't talk 2015-01-26T02:14:34 < upgrdman> ? as in your mcu wont output text on TXd? 2015-01-26T02:14:40 < kakeman> ye 2015-01-26T02:14:44 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-26T02:14:54 < upgrdman> heres my working but fragile code for the f0: 2015-01-26T02:15:03 < kakeman> shouldn't be too hard to fix 2015-01-26T02:15:18 < kakeman> don't bother 2015-01-26T02:15:29 < kakeman> or was that it? 2015-01-26T02:15:30 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_rs232.c 2015-01-26T02:15:31 < kakeman> :D 2015-01-26T02:16:12 < upgrdman> then just: 2015-01-26T02:16:13 < upgrdman> / Setup RS232 2015-01-26T02:16:13 < upgrdman> rs232_setup(USART2, PA2, 921600); // TX, 921600 Baud 2015-01-26T02:16:42 < upgrdman> rs232_write_string(USART2, "foo"); 2015-01-26T02:17:05 < upgrdman> it's transmit only, fragile, but it works. 2015-01-26T02:18:26 < upgrdman> and it for the f0, assumes 48MHz clock 2015-01-26T02:18:38 < upgrdman> so edit the setup fuction if youre running a different clock 2015-01-26T02:25:35 < Laurenceb__> anyone know what wrong with my chibios shit? 2015-01-26T02:25:46 < Laurenceb__> undefined reference to `chTimeNow' 2015-01-26T02:39:29 < dongs> too many rf iles 2015-01-26T02:39:32 < dongs> too many files 2015-01-26T02:44:22 < kakeman> okay line has some activity 2015-01-26T02:44:41 < kakeman> but putty doesn't just work 2015-01-26T02:46:06 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.238.0] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-26T02:53:04 < kakeman> clinically yes 2015-01-26T02:53:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T02:53:40 < brabo> if you disregard variosu states of out of mindednesss, me too 2015-01-26T02:56:55 < _Sync_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8EDpJhCIAAasM3.jpg:large 2015-01-26T02:58:37 < kakeman> when I woke up today my phone had like +ten unanswered calls and sms 2015-01-26T02:58:49 < kakeman> all kind of shiet 2015-01-26T02:59:46 < kakeman> but also some calls concerning my startup shiet 2015-01-26T03:00:03 < kakeman> good to not to answer those 2015-01-26T03:01:39 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-26T03:04:17 < kakeman> they see my dedication to business in turning down calls 2015-01-26T03:09:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T03:12:55 < kakeman> chibios>freertos? 2015-01-26T03:13:06 < dongs> both suck 2015-01-26T03:13:22 < Steffanx> CoOS \o/ 2015-01-26T03:13:30 < dongs> rtx \o 2015-01-26T03:13:32 < kakeman> real man writes his own os 2015-01-26T03:13:41 < kakeman> rtos 2015-01-26T03:13:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T03:14:49 < kakeman> someone using CoOS :| maybe should try that first as I like coocox libs too 2015-01-26T03:15:49 < Steffanx> iirc gxti did coos stuff 2015-01-26T03:16:59 < dongs> you odnt need coocox libs for coos 2015-01-26T03:17:31 < kakeman> I would still use em 2015-01-26T03:19:40 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ05jc3U4dFJxVjA/view?usp=sharing nothin wrong with uart 2015-01-26T03:22:17 < kakeman> just install proper terminal 2015-01-26T03:27:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-26T03:27:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T03:27:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-26T03:27:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T03:34:00 < dongs> what 'docs' do you need? 2015-01-26T03:34:02 < dongs> it just wokrs 2015-01-26T03:34:55 < dongs> then use dot.shit, who cares 2015-01-26T03:35:02 < dongs> stop surfing around and do your work 2015-01-26T03:35:10 < dongs> the tool doesnt matter its what you do with it 2015-01-26T03:35:13 < dongs> yes 2015-01-26T03:45:03 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T03:58:43 < dongs> so my dual NGFF thing is kinda fail 2015-01-26T03:58:44 < dongs> it draws 1A 2015-01-26T04:00:59 < kakeman> 500mA max? 2015-01-26T04:03:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T04:03:42 < gxti> kakeman: coos is crap, i gave up on it 2015-01-26T04:03:42 < kakeman> that puts out some heat too 2015-01-26T04:05:09 < kakeman> gxti: what rtos you end up with? 2015-01-26T04:05:16 < gxti> freertos 2015-01-26T04:05:31 < dongs> enjoy 300 files to add to project 2015-01-26T04:32:41 < englishman> its just a checkbox in timecube 2015-01-26T04:43:55 < upgrdman> holy shit http://techno-logic-art.com/images4/fc6_2.jpg 2015-01-26T04:58:32 < upgrdman> downloading thr windows 10 dicklickle preview. wonder how bad it will be. 2015-01-26T04:59:01 < dongs> if thats your attitude towards it i'm sure you better off just install jewtunto 13.37 "raging boner" 2015-01-26T04:59:05 < dongs> instead 2015-01-26T04:59:18 < upgrdman> side note, wtf microsoft. you can't upload at >3MBps to me? i get 8MBps for most people 2015-01-26T04:59:23 < kakeman> that must be a clock 2015-01-26T04:59:31 < dongs> anyone in USA wanna bounce about $3k worth of parts for me 2015-01-26T04:59:42 < dongs> preferably from a state that doesnt fucking charge tax with cdiweb 2015-01-26T05:00:06 < upgrdman> does dongs like the metro style of win 8/8.1? 2015-01-26T05:00:30 < dongs> yes 2015-01-26T05:00:31 < dongs> who doesnt? 2015-01-26T05:00:47 < kakeman> bounce? 2015-01-26T05:00:50 < dongs> the new start screen has been teh best shit ever for organizing 2015-01-26T05:00:54 < dongs> kakeman: buy -> send t o me 2015-01-26T05:00:58 < kakeman> nice 2015-01-26T05:01:03 < kakeman> what you innovatin? 2015-01-26T05:05:22 < dongs> dongs 2015-01-26T05:06:15 < kakeman> personal projects 2015-01-26T05:11:02 < kakeman> amount of work goes into simple shiet is amazing 2015-01-26T05:17:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-26T05:37:45 < dongs> http://www.meas-spec.com/news/corporate/TE_and_MEAS.aspx 2015-01-26T05:37:47 < dongs> oh shittt 2015-01-26T05:39:14 < kakeman> will there be one sole corporation doing all electronics by 2025? 2015-01-26T05:42:51 < upgrdman> wtf. even windows 10 is still unable to do high-dpi well. 2015-01-26T05:42:54 < upgrdman> what a fucking joke 2015-01-26T05:43:01 < dongs> ur a joke 2015-01-26T05:43:10 < dongs> im using windows 8.1 on 3 4k monitors 2015-01-26T05:43:11 < dongs> zero problems 2015-01-26T05:43:29 < upgrdman> 4k isn't necessarily high-dpi 2015-01-26T05:43:33 < dongs> do you want to turn your 4k desktop into "virtual 1920x1080" so you can have giant title bars and crispy clear fonts??? 2015-01-26T05:43:40 < upgrdman> iirc you're using, what, 28", monitors? 2015-01-26T05:43:42 < dongs> 24 2015-01-26T05:44:14 < upgrdman> well yes, i do want my text to be more than 1 pixel thick. 2015-01-26T05:44:19 < upgrdman> this is the 1990's anymore 2015-01-26T05:44:20 < dongs> too bad 2015-01-26T05:44:22 < dongs> i dont 2015-01-26T05:44:27 < dongs> enjoy your fuzzy shit 2015-01-26T05:49:13 < kakeman> isn't there still proper antialias for windowz? 2015-01-26T05:50:09 < dongs> there has always been one 2015-01-26T05:50:12 < dongs> unlike iun lunix 2015-01-26T05:50:20 < dongs> but i want my chat fonts pixel perfect 2015-01-26T05:50:25 < dongs> for high resolution chatting 2015-01-26T05:52:58 < kakeman> you have like 1kilolines of chat? 2015-01-26T05:55:52 < dongs> yes 2015-01-26T05:55:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T05:56:39 < kakeman> I have like 10 2015-01-26T05:58:02 < PeterM> yeah, but my 3 year old phoen has mroe resolution than your fucking jewscreen 2015-01-26T06:00:03 < upgrdman> and wtf is up with windows being so damn inefficient with the cpu 2015-01-26T06:00:18 < upgrdman> windows update? ---> max out four cores for half an hour 2015-01-26T06:00:24 < upgrdman> even lunix does it better 2015-01-26T06:00:45 < upgrdman> no wonder winodws laptops have such shit battery life 2015-01-26T06:01:37 < upgrdman> i wonder if microsoft is just trolling and using the windows pc's to mine buttcoins or someshit 2015-01-26T06:08:14 < kakeman> gates is designin new vaccines with your computer 2015-01-26T06:17:38 < kakeman> can definitions have spaces? 2015-01-26T06:22:51 < upgrdman> wut 2015-01-26T06:25:33 < kakeman> can 2015-01-26T06:28:14 < kakeman> #define wut (this can have spaces) 2015-01-26T06:33:00 < upgrdman> the identifier? no 2015-01-26T06:33:05 < upgrdman> #define foo bar 2015-01-26T06:33:06 < upgrdman> is ok 2015-01-26T06:33:23 < upgrdman> which will s/foo/bar 2015-01-26T06:34:04 < kakeman> #define WUT (no>spaces) 2015-01-26T06:34:04 < kakeman> ? 2015-01-26T06:34:36 < upgrdman> ? 2015-01-26T06:38:21 < upgrdman> anything fun lately, R2COM ? 2015-01-26T06:38:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-26T06:38:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T06:39:00 < kakeman> R2COM: yes. and tired. 2015-01-26T06:41:44 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-26T06:43:10 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-26T06:45:01 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T06:47:46 < upgrdman> anal or digital? 2015-01-26T06:48:03 < englishman> you make a square, and you draw some dots 2015-01-26T06:48:11 < englishman> then some circles 2015-01-26T06:48:21 < upgrdman> agilent, errr i mean, dicksight, has a very nice app note on this topic 2015-01-26T06:48:23 < englishman> bigger circles = more noize = lower rates 2015-01-26T06:48:49 < upgrdman> http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5965-7160E.pdf 2015-01-26T06:49:34 < englishman> all dots and circles 2015-01-26T06:51:03 < englishman> trial and error and error and trial and error 2015-01-26T06:51:25 < upgrdman> learning by attrition 2015-01-26T06:52:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-26T06:53:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T06:56:45 < kakeman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs jupiter singing 2015-01-26T07:01:18 < upgrdman> after some burritos, does uranus start to sing? 2015-01-26T07:04:42 < kakeman> if I was a space being I would navigate with these sounds 2015-01-26T07:04:49 < kakeman> certainly 2015-01-26T07:19:57 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T07:20:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2015-01-26T07:35:52 < upgrdman> nice song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyYPdDwEoV0 2015-01-26T07:40:30 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T07:41:06 < PeterM> upgrdman: wtf asscontroll 2015-01-26T07:41:27 < upgrdman> funny, huh? 2015-01-26T07:44:49 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T07:46:28 < upgrdman> more deutschland like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRyjkYdDxM 2015-01-26T07:48:54 < PeterM> and the russians are like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGHvB6B2hbc (i know its actually czech) 2015-01-26T07:49:49 < upgrdman> no no no, this is how the russians are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44 2015-01-26T07:51:23 < PeterM> lolol 2015-01-26T07:53:39 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T08:07:06 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T08:16:13 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T08:18:32 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-26T08:37:00 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-26T08:43:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T08:48:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T08:55:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-26T08:58:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T09:05:11 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T09:15:03 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-26T09:16:25 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T09:20:27 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-26T09:20:57 < ds2> hmmm 2015-01-26T09:25:24 < qyx_> PeterM: lol jozin z bazin 2015-01-26T09:28:21 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-26T09:41:02 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T09:41:38 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-26T09:44:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T09:44:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-26T09:49:09 < dongs> sup innovators 2015-01-26T10:01:16 < PeterM> nm, dongs 2015-01-26T10:01:46 < PeterM> public holiday in australia today 2015-01-26T10:07:45 < dongs> party all day long 2015-01-26T10:14:00 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-26T10:17:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-26T10:23:46 < dongs> why hte fuck is it so fucking hard to find people to do FPGA shit. 2015-01-26T10:23:52 < dongs> i even wave money in front of htier fucking face 2015-01-26T10:23:53 < dongs> damn 2015-01-26T10:24:02 < dongs> i should try asking djdelorie, he should be poor 2015-01-26T10:24:35 < jpa-> why is it so hard to find fpga jobs 2015-01-26T10:25:23 < dongs> is it? 2015-01-26T10:27:11 < jpa-> apparently 2015-01-26T10:27:19 < jpa-> i studied fpga shit and here i am coding c shit 2015-01-26T10:27:40 < jpa-> because the company won't place me in fpga projects as i have no real-world fpga experience 2015-01-26T10:27:41 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@254C5DAE.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T10:28:19 < dongs> well, i got $1k ready in paypal for a simple-for-somoene-who-knows-fpga shit to take rgb video stream and split it in two outputs 2015-01-26T10:29:00 < dongs> i'll even make it super easy by doubling pixel clock of the source + adding lots of hsync space so all thats needed to split is just /2 pixclk and adjust hs/de timing 2015-01-26T10:29:33 < jpa-> i'd do it if my contract wouldn't prohibit working for others :P 2015-01-26T10:29:42 < dongs> see? typical excuse :) 2015-01-26T10:29:48 < jpa-> yep :) 2015-01-26T10:30:29 < jpa-> i've sometimes tried to get these passed through the company, but they are like "what, money, for us? no way, go away!" 2015-01-26T10:33:00 < jpa-> maybe once mortgage is paid off i can just drop out of work and life off these random "i'll pay you to program my arduino" gigs 2015-01-26T10:34:47 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrflegutotxtjjmg] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T10:37:40 < dongs> damn those people who just hate money 2015-01-26T10:40:59 -!- Elek101 [~textual@diagenode.socext.ulg.ac.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T10:47:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-26T10:59:02 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@254C5DAE.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-26T10:59:36 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-26T11:03:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:04:56 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:05:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:13:54 < jadew> dongs, do it yourself, sounds simple enough 2015-01-26T11:17:57 < qyx_> dongs: jpa- you can do it as freetime opensource job! 2015-01-26T11:18:18 < jadew> why does it have to be opensource? 2015-01-26T11:19:01 < qyx_> read what jpa- said 2015-01-26T11:19:29 < jadew> I did 2015-01-26T11:19:37 < jadew> I still can't make the connection tho 2015-01-26T11:20:36 < dongs> i dont even give a shit if its opensores or not 2015-01-26T11:20:40 < dongs> it is trivial 2015-01-26T11:20:43 < dongs> i think 2015-01-26T11:26:46 < jpa-> qyx_: yeah, i could, but dongs is not Tectu :P 2015-01-26T11:27:11 < jpa-> jadew: because why would i do free closed sores job? 2015-01-26T11:32:41 < jadew> jpa-, I do it all the time 2015-01-26T11:32:52 < jadew> it's so you make it hard for other people to copy your shit 2015-01-26T11:33:05 < jpa-> what's the point in that? 2015-01-26T11:33:15 < jpa-> so that your shit becomes even less useful? 2015-01-26T11:33:42 < jadew> source code has a different value than finished products 2015-01-26T11:34:10 < jadew> much, much higher, especially if it's not garbage 2015-01-26T11:34:27 < jpa-> you give finished products for free but keep the sores? 2015-01-26T11:34:31 < jadew> yes 2015-01-26T11:34:51 < jpa-> ever managed to get money for the sores later? 2015-01-26T11:34:54 < jadew> there's a difference between something I put together in a week and a library I worked on for 10 years 2015-01-26T11:35:38 < jadew> I re-use code all the time everywhere, including for work 2015-01-26T11:36:07 < jpa-> but how would it be away from you if other people reused it also? 2015-01-26T11:36:54 < jadew> jpa-, you're giving away your advantage 2015-01-26T11:37:26 < jpa-> so a poor coder + your magic library somehow becomes a great coder? 2015-01-26T11:37:36 < jadew> no, but it becomes competition 2015-01-26T11:37:44 < jpa-> doubt it 2015-01-26T11:38:27 < jpa-> but if the library is unique enough and you use it for paid-for work, then you are basically maintaining a closed sores library for pay 2015-01-26T11:38:35 < jpa-> which is totally normal 2015-01-26T11:38:43 < jadew> as I was saying, I recently had some ideas stolen from an application I gave out for free - I decided to go commercial eventually 2015-01-26T11:38:52 < jadew> the good part here is that their implementation still sucks ass 2015-01-26T11:38:59 < dongs> thats jsut cuz you were too slow 2015-01-26T11:39:00 < jpa-> so, no competition 2015-01-26T11:39:07 < jpa-> also, "ideas stolen", luls 2015-01-26T11:39:14 < dongs> less assburger plz 2015-01-26T11:39:14 < jadew> if I released that thing as opensource, they'd also have my great implementation 2015-01-26T11:39:15 < jpa-> how many ideas have you stolen yourself? 2015-01-26T11:39:19 < dongs> more innovation 2015-01-26T11:39:54 < jadew> jpa-, I don't know, but it's annoying when it happens to you and the market is so small 2015-01-26T11:39:57 < jpa-> jadew: yes, if you intend to sell it, better not release the sores - and if you intend to sell, you are doing it for the prospect of money 2015-01-26T11:40:14 < dongs> i'm doing it for fame and paypal moneys 2015-01-26T11:40:18 < jpa-> sure, get over it, it is how progress happens 2015-01-26T11:40:28 < dongs> Question: 2 days ago I slipped and fell in the shower and landed on my block of soap. It's stuck, um, well you know where. Should I go to the ER? 2015-01-26T11:40:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-26T11:41:12 < jadew> anyway, it kinda proves my point that releasing sources is not always a good idea, especially since most of the time people don't care about making improvements, but about making competing software 2015-01-26T11:41:33 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:41:49 < jadew> dongs, hehe, I bet they hear that all the time 2015-01-26T11:42:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: I've got a personal email from Tiago Schäfer asking me how to "redirect channels" of MultiWii because he damaged some. What should I do with the mail? 2015-01-26T11:44:00 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:45:30 < jpa-> jadew: if the intent is to do "work for free", why would you care about competition? 2015-01-26T11:45:45 < jpa-> jadew: competition only enters the picture when you hope to get paid for it 2015-01-26T11:45:49 < dongs> PaulFertser: if its arduino, hes fucked, because the pwm output shit on that thing is a huge hack 2015-01-26T11:46:30 < dongs> or you can just email him that hes fucked and buy a new thing. 2015-01-26T11:47:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: but why would he ask me about arduino? "MultiWii output to ESC" is the Subject. 2015-01-26T11:47:33 < jadew> jpa-, even if it's for free, I'd rather get contributions and bug reports to my program, not to some other project that's a fork of mine and gets all the glory and fame 2015-01-26T11:47:57 < dongs> PaulFertser: how the hell would I know. did yo u contribute something to multiwii? :) 2015-01-26T11:48:26 < jpa-> jadew: but, without sources, the reality is more often that you get no contributions and only crappy bug reports 2015-01-26T11:48:43 < dongs> jadew: yeah, dickheads that take your shit, rename some stuff, add something then call it thier own is teh sux 2015-01-26T11:48:50 < PaulFertser> dongs: only to your stm32 firmware. 2015-01-26T11:49:00 < dongs> PaulFertser: and was it pwm related? :) 2015-01-26T11:49:34 < jadew> jpa-, nah, you get the same bug reports and the the entire user base that your program can generate 2015-01-26T11:49:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: of course not :) but neither was it arduino related. So I'm trying to understand whom to forward his mail to. 2015-01-26T11:50:06 < jpa-> jadew: not really 2015-01-26T11:50:09 < dongs> that question comes up on forums/google al lteh time, you should just tell the guy to rtfm 2015-01-26T11:50:39 < dongs> on tarduino its basically impossible cuz pwm output stuff is like 1000 lines of #ifdefs and nobody knows how it works 2015-01-26T11:50:45 < jpa-> jadew: if people can add a small thing, it makes the software so much more flexible 2015-01-26T11:50:50 < dongs> on my shit he'd have to edit pwm map and take out damaged cahnnels 2015-01-26T11:51:01 < jadew> jpa-, almost nobody does that 2015-01-26T11:51:03 < dongs> both methods are probly not worth the time involved 2015-01-26T11:51:08 < jpa-> jadew: i do it all the time 2015-01-26T11:51:08 < dongs> just buying new shit is easier. 2015-01-26T11:51:12 < jadew> the benefit is so small, it really doesn't matter 2015-01-26T11:51:22 < jpa-> almost none of the open source crap would be usable if i couldn't fix it 2015-01-26T11:51:34 < jpa-> closed sores apps have to be very high quality to be useful 2015-01-26T11:51:38 < dongs> opensores crap is not usable by definition 2015-01-26T11:51:45 < jpa-> and very few people go to such lengths for free 2015-01-26T11:51:54 < jadew> jpa-, well, ideally, things shouldn't need fixing 2015-01-26T11:51:59 < jadew> you make a bug report, it gets fixed 2015-01-26T11:52:02 < jadew> done 2015-01-26T11:52:08 < jadew> everyone enjoys it 2015-01-26T11:52:24 < jpa-> "this does not work on my custom hardware which you don't have and i don't have the sores to debug, please fix!" 2015-01-26T11:53:15 -!- jadew` [~jadew@188.26.146.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:53:15 -!- jadew` [~jadew@188.26.146.46] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-26T11:53:15 -!- jadew` [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:53:38 < jadew`> anyway, gotta get back to work 2015-01-26T11:53:39 < jadew`> ttyl 2015-01-26T11:53:46 -!- Elek101 [~textual@diagenode.socext.ulg.ac.be] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2015-01-26T11:53:53 < jadew`> (closed source awesomeness) 2015-01-26T11:54:28 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T11:55:24 < dongs> (lol) 2015-01-26T11:55:43 < PaulFertser> dongs: thank you 2015-01-26T11:56:37 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-26T11:56:56 < dongs> ^_^ 2015-01-26T11:59:50 < dongs> does it make sense to use switching regulator to do 12V>10V 2015-01-26T12:01:03 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-26T12:05:38 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-26T12:06:19 < zyp> maybe 2015-01-26T12:07:14 < dongs> still looking for a sensical eXX R1/R2 calculator 2015-01-26T12:07:23 < dongs> i fucking hate manually typing shit into wolframalpha 2015-01-26T12:07:55 < zyp> heh 2015-01-26T12:08:55 < dongs> or else I need a ratio that gets me 11.5 2015-01-26T12:13:52 < jadew`> you need a voltage divider that gets you 10 V? 2015-01-26T12:14:08 < dongs> no 2015-01-26T12:14:26 < dongs> the usual vfb*(1+R1/R2) shit 2015-01-26T12:14:45 < dongs> but it would be REALLY FUCKING NICE if there was a web-based shit that did a search based on constraints given 2015-01-26T12:14:54 < dongs> and give you nice E6 or E12 or so resistor gvalues 2015-01-26T12:16:51 < jadew`> if you have an android device, check out electro droid 2015-01-26T12:17:16 < jadew`> I think you can specify resistor ratios and can generate values with the Ewhatever constraints 2015-01-26T12:17:26 < dongs> apparently i have that insatlled 2015-01-26T12:18:01 < jadew`> yeah, it does have that 2015-01-26T12:18:48 < jadew`> 390k and 33k gets you 11.5 2015-01-26T12:19:32 < dongs> hmmm 2015-01-26T12:19:58 < jadew`> well, 11.82 it seems 2015-01-26T12:21:06 < dongs> yea thats bad 2015-01-26T12:21:24 < dongs> where in teh app is calcaualtor 2015-01-26T12:21:28 < dongs> for that shit 2015-01-26T12:21:58 < jadew`> in my version it says "Ratio calculator" 2015-01-26T12:23:42 < dongs> ah yeah found 2015-01-26T12:23:42 < dongs> nice 2015-01-26T12:23:43 < dongs> very cool 2015-01-26T12:23:50 < dongs> assdroid: useful for something for once 2015-01-26T12:24:24 < jadew`> it's the main reason I use my tablet 2015-01-26T12:27:07 < dongs> im not pro enough to care about this more than once a month or so 2015-01-26T12:27:14 < dongs> still havent found a usecase for tablet 2015-01-26T12:27:19 < dongs> worthless for daily computing 2015-01-26T12:27:25 < jadew`> porn 2015-01-26T12:27:33 < dongs> 150/13 will do 2015-01-26T12:27:37 < dongs> close enough for my shit 2015-01-26T12:27:44 < dongs> and i have 150k in stock 2015-01-26T12:27:46 < dongs> might evne have 13k 2015-01-26T12:27:52 < dongs> for sure have in sample book 2015-01-26T12:49:24 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T12:49:24 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-26T12:49:24 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T12:59:53 < kakeman> sauna, coffee and soup 2015-01-26T13:00:12 < kakeman> as if I woke up in the morning but I didn't 2015-01-26T13:00:59 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T13:01:48 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-78-8-153-63.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T13:04:18 < kakeman> some startup phone calls 2015-01-26T13:05:16 < kakeman> my propeller hat spun few rounds as I told some of my idea 2015-01-26T13:06:25 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrflegutotxtjjmg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-26T13:22:38 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T13:25:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-26T13:29:21 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-waddnnwosvglnjcs] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T13:34:33 < akaWolf> dongs: I think, Open Source is an our future. 2015-01-26T13:34:47 < akaWolf> you can see already such movement 2015-01-26T13:35:08 < akaWolf> symbian, llvm, linux, etc. 2015-01-26T13:35:17 < dongs> you just named 3 things that are shit 2015-01-26T13:35:31 < dongs> symbian = already dead 2015-01-26T13:35:41 < akaWolf> symbian was good one 2015-01-26T13:35:45 < dongs> lunix = on a no-return path to *BSD/death 2015-01-26T13:35:52 < jadew`> symbian sucked 2015-01-26T13:35:54 < dongs> llvm is some gcc clone right? dead by definition 2015-01-26T13:36:00 < zyp> no 2015-01-26T13:36:13 < akaWolf> jadew`: explain? 2015-01-26T13:36:15 < zyp> llvm is pretty dissimilar from gcc 2015-01-26T13:36:19 < jadew`> akaWolf, hard to code for 2015-01-26T13:36:30 < jadew`> which is why it went away 2015-01-26T13:37:05 < akaWolf> there was another reason why it went away 2015-01-26T13:37:11 < akaWolf> marketing.. 2015-01-26T13:37:12 < jadew`> no, that's why 2015-01-26T13:37:42 < jadew`> if it was more developer friendly it would have gotten more software, so it would have been more useful 2015-01-26T13:37:53 < jadew`> instead it remained a resource hog that didn't do too much for the user 2015-01-26T13:37:55 < akaWolf> never heard such version of history with Symbian ;) 2015-01-26T13:38:30 < jadew`> it's why I stoped using it both as a dev and as an end-user 2015-01-26T13:38:44 < jadew`> it all starts and ends with the developers 2015-01-26T13:38:58 * TheSeven wonders if android counts as open source 2015-01-26T13:39:01 < jadew`> no ammount of marketing can keep a shitty product for an unlimited time on the market 2015-01-26T13:39:22 < TheSeven> jadew`: I think microsoft managed to do that ;) 2015-01-26T13:39:24 < akaWolf> jadew`: there is was Qt + POSIX lib + Python... 2015-01-26T13:39:31 < akaWolf> -is 2015-01-26T13:39:42 < qyx_> dongs: remember, one day you will replace your armcc with clang 2015-01-26T13:39:44 < jadew`> TheSeven, it's too soon to know 2015-01-26T13:39:55 < qyx_> and the planes will start to fly backwards 2015-01-26T13:40:18 < dongs> akaWolf: you like to name shitty things in threes huh 2015-01-26T13:40:29 < qyx_> whats shit about qt 2015-01-26T13:40:35 < qyx_> +ty 2015-01-26T13:40:36 < dongs> besides everything? 2015-01-26T13:40:50 < dongs> well lemme start with their nonsense C++ extensions that need special "qt compiler" 2015-01-26T13:40:53 < jadew`> qyx_, it's not shit now, but it's still very poor for something under development for such a long time 2015-01-26T13:40:55 < dongs> continue with their dumb event system 2015-01-26T13:40:59 < dongs> shitty API 2015-01-26T13:41:07 < jadew`> and in the past it didn't use to be such a breeze 2015-01-26T13:41:11 < dongs> python, dont even get me started 2015-01-26T13:41:25 < dongs> i duno what "posix lib" is but cuz it IS posix its automatically shit 2015-01-26T13:41:26 < jadew`> yeah, the event system was a big problem 2015-01-26T13:42:05 < dongs> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/linux-doomsday haha 2015-01-26T13:42:45 < akaWolf> dongs: there is advantage of Qt: extension adds usability 2015-01-26T13:43:35 < zn414> #qt 2015-01-26T13:44:50 < zn414> dongs, which api u think good ? 2015-01-26T13:44:56 < akaWolf> jadew`: my point: there was not so difficult to write under symbian, using things named before 2015-01-26T13:45:07 < kakeman> is there right way to use exact same function with different funtion names and parameter names`? 2015-01-26T13:45:16 < zyp> zn414, MFC 2015-01-26T13:45:21 < akaWolf> also I think, API system of Qt I find very clear and nice 2015-01-26T13:45:34 < kakeman> other than just calling one funtion in all clones 2015-01-26T13:45:42 < TheSeven> dongs: what do you prefer over posix? dos? win9x/me? or what the hell? 2015-01-26T13:45:52 < kakeman> setting parameters in parameters and returning return 2015-01-26T13:46:04 < akaWolf> POSIX is an standart 2015-01-26T13:46:11 < akaWolf> which is also very clear and logical 2015-01-26T13:46:50 * jadew` has nothing against POSIX, except that it's a bit out of date 2015-01-26T13:47:52 < akaWolf> jadew`: last versions dated by 2014 2015-01-26T13:48:19 < jadew`> I mean they didn't keep up with the times 2015-01-26T13:49:49 < trepidaciousMBR> kakeman: Macro or function pointer I guess? 2015-01-26T13:50:10 < akaWolf> llvm, as zyp noticed, isnt gcc clone. it has very different architecture, written in C++ 2015-01-26T13:52:09 < kakeman> trepidaciousMBR: hmm.. I look something even more solid way but I just call function in other I'm pretty sure that gcc cuts excess levels off 2015-01-26T13:53:17 < trepidaciousMBR> kakeman: It might well do, you could also inline it I think? 2015-01-26T13:53:32 < trepidaciousMBR> kakeman: Seems a bit pointless though, why not just use the original function? 2015-01-26T13:54:50 < kakeman> because totally different purposes and names accordingly 2015-01-26T13:54:57 < kakeman> and parameter names 2015-01-26T13:55:06 < kakeman> too hard to find common naming 2015-01-26T13:55:25 < jadew`> func 2015-01-26T13:55:33 < jadew`> should be common enough :D 2015-01-26T13:55:59 < trepidaciousMBR> Seems odd that they are the same function then. But I think just calling one function from another should be fine, if performance is really critical then look at making sure the "wrapper" function is inlined 2015-01-26T13:57:02 < kakeman> I inline it 2015-01-26T13:57:28 < jadew`> I'm watching back to the future 2 2015-01-26T13:57:51 < jadew`> seems like by 21 october of this year we should have flying cars 2015-01-26T14:06:25 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-26T14:11:52 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-26T14:13:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-26T14:19:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.51] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:25:12 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:29:00 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:29:06 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:29:42 < Laurenceb> anyone know wtf is going on? 2015-01-26T14:29:43 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9862051 2015-01-26T14:29:50 < Laurenceb> I never enabled WWDG 2015-01-26T14:30:00 < dongs> i see gcc, i hate 2015-01-26T14:30:19 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-26T14:30:52 < karlp> bad name resolution, they're all just "blocking handler" ? 2015-01-26T14:31:03 < dongs> ya 2015-01-26T14:31:07 < jpa-> yeah, default handler for all interrupts 2015-01-26T14:31:09 < dongs> sounds like youre just hitting any of the shits that are same 2015-01-26T14:31:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-26T14:31:17 < dongs> probably hardfault? 2015-01-26T14:31:24 < jpa-> "info reg" and see what is the codes 2015-01-26T14:32:33 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9862062 2015-01-26T14:39:03 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-26T14:39:05 < Laurenceb> bw=bw@entry=0x0 2015-01-26T14:39:27 < Laurenceb> that looks bad 2015-01-26T14:40:47 < jpa-> so, 3 2015-01-26T14:41:32 < jpa-> hardfault iirc 2015-01-26T14:41:57 < jpa-> take the famous macros from Laurenceb's repo and see what it is about 2015-01-26T14:42:12 < dongs> Laurenceb has famous macros? 2015-01-26T14:42:18 < dongs> i thought he just had shitty code 2015-01-26T14:42:24 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-26T14:50:25 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:50:25 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-26T14:50:25 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:51:02 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:51:13 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@68.179.124.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:51:16 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-26T14:51:17 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-26T14:51:35 -!- pulsar [93401ac3ef@memoryleaks.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-26T14:51:49 -!- pulsar [c38e60f533@memoryleaks.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T14:52:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.139.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-26T14:52:39 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-26T14:55:05 < Laurenceb> well this is odd 2015-01-26T14:55:14 < Laurenceb> my µSD cards only work with debugger connected 2015-01-26T14:55:19 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-26T14:56:29 < TheSeven> hm, timing? supply voltage stability? 2015-01-26T14:56:38 < TheSeven> how do they fail if they don't work? 2015-01-26T14:56:40 < Laurenceb> voltage looks ok 2015-01-26T14:56:41 < TheSeven> sdio or spi? 2015-01-26T14:56:43 < Laurenceb> spi 2015-01-26T14:57:02 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/main.c 2015-01-26T14:57:15 < Laurenceb> im not sure what the failure is as I dont have debugging lol 2015-01-26T14:57:20 < dongs> Laurenceb: what fet are you using to turn them on/off 2015-01-26T14:57:22 < Laurenceb> nut no files are written 2015-01-26T14:57:29 * Tectu throws some spaces at Laurenceb 2015-01-26T14:57:34 < Laurenceb> dongs: they are on dedicated rail 2015-01-26T14:57:40 < dongs> and its 3.3V? 2015-01-26T14:57:42 < dongs> with enough current? 2015-01-26T14:57:43 < Laurenceb> yup 2015-01-26T14:57:55 < dongs> sdcards shit themselves very funnily at low voltages 2015-01-26T14:58:21 < Laurenceb> ill try different breakpoints 2015-01-26T14:58:41 < TheSeven> does it work even if you insert no breakpoints at all? 2015-01-26T14:58:53 < Getty> reminds me of this awkward moment where the programmer voltage seemed enough to program the chip while device unpowered.... (ok ok, it was high powered before, was probably some "left") 2015-01-26T14:58:56 < Laurenceb> dunno yet... 2015-01-26T14:59:05 < TheSeven> if yes, what about if you attach the debug interface, but don't actually start a debugger? 2015-01-26T15:04:17 < Laurenceb> got it 2015-01-26T15:04:18 < Laurenceb> FR_NOT_READY 2015-01-26T15:04:33 < Laurenceb> for some reason card needs power to be applied for a while 2015-01-26T15:04:44 < Laurenceb> even tho VCC ramps up in ~10ms 2015-01-26T15:04:50 < Laurenceb> I'll add some delay 2015-01-26T15:04:55 < TheSeven> well the controller needs to boot 2015-01-26T15:05:58 < Laurenceb> according to FatFS spec I should be ok 2015-01-26T15:06:01 < Laurenceb> very odd 2015-01-26T15:07:52 < Getty> i have the same problem sometimes, that the SD card init hangs for quiet a while till the disk init is ready 2015-01-26T15:08:10 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-01-26T15:08:15 < TheSeven> After supply voltage reached 2.2 volts, wait for one millisecond at least. Set SPI clock rate between 100 kHz and 400 kHz. Set DI and CS high and apply 74 or more clock pulses to SCLK. The card will enter its native operating mode and go ready to accept native command. 2015-01-26T15:08:20 < TheSeven> ...but who complies to that... 2015-01-26T15:08:21 < Getty> you do a while loop till its ready? 2015-01-26T15:08:29 < Getty> or do you like init it and then just wait a sec and go on? 2015-01-26T15:08:55 < Laurenceb> I'll try a 140ms delay after VCC on 2015-01-26T15:09:21 < Laurenceb> this is tricky to test as I cant power cycle correctly with debugger connected 2015-01-26T15:14:46 < Laurenceb> hmmm 2015-01-26T15:14:49 < Laurenceb> maybe works 2015-01-26T15:17:02 < Laurenceb> nope 2015-01-26T15:17:15 < Laurenceb> only works with the debugger :-S 2015-01-26T15:22:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.130.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T15:23:18 < Laurenceb> ill try an init loop 2015-01-26T15:28:23 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-26T15:28:33 < Laurenceb> it alternates between working and failing 2015-01-26T15:28:39 < Laurenceb> init loop achieves nothing 2015-01-26T15:29:39 < Getty> i have the feeling you hvae something wrong ;) 2015-01-26T15:29:40 < dongs> http://livi-design.ca/ lol 2015-01-26T15:33:10 < Laurenceb> yeah but wut 2015-01-26T15:33:30 < Laurenceb> ill lower the spi speed, but its already 3mhz 2015-01-26T15:34:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T15:35:36 < Laurenceb> no its not the speed 2015-01-26T15:36:33 < Laurenceb> and its not the startup delay 2015-01-26T15:38:59 -!- ak4rp1 [~Thunderbi@152.66.80.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T15:42:28 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-26T15:54:48 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.73.83] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T15:59:02 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@152.66.73.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-26T16:01:00 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T16:09:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-26T16:31:00 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T16:32:16 < dongs> holy fucking LOL 2015-01-26T16:32:20 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HIGH-RESOLUTION-SLA-3D-PRINTER-MACHINE-3D-INDUSTRIAL-GRADE-HIGH-PRECISION-Rapid-prototyping/32225984717.html 2015-01-26T16:32:29 < dongs> Black Print Speed: fast 2015-01-26T16:32:29 < dongs> Brand Name: Brand new 2015-01-26T16:32:49 < Steffanx> lol 2015-01-26T16:32:55 < Steffanx> How's it zanoing dongs? 2015-01-26T16:33:03 < dongs> (and picture is Form1 dickstarter pic) 2015-01-26T16:33:11 < Laurenceb> has dongs ever used µSD with spi? 2015-01-26T16:33:16 < dongs> yes 2015-01-26T16:33:24 < dongs> a couple projects 2015-01-26T16:33:26 < dongs> always worked 2015-01-26T16:33:34 < dongs> well 1st one didnt work cuz i used faggot pfet 2015-01-26T16:33:34 < Laurenceb> hmf 2015-01-26T16:33:50 < Laurenceb> it didnt like voltage ramp rate? 2015-01-26T16:33:59 < dongs> no, rdson was garbage 2015-01-26T16:34:07 < dongs> i was getting liek 2.x v at the card 2015-01-26T16:34:10 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-26T16:34:23 < dongs> Steffanx: on hold waiting for flying videos 2015-01-26T16:38:11 < Tectu> dongs, zano yet? 2015-01-26T16:40:34 < dongs> lols 2015-01-26T16:40:38 < dongs> i found dickstater 2015-01-26T16:40:54 < dongs> of the dudes im currently making hdmi/dp board for 2015-01-26T16:40:54 < dongs> lulz 2015-01-26T16:40:59 < dongs> they failed it back in 2013 2015-01-26T16:52:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T16:52:17 < Laurenceb> ok found the error 2015-01-26T16:52:33 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9862456 2015-01-26T16:52:55 < Laurenceb> send_cmd(ACMD41, 1UL << 30) is always true 2015-01-26T16:53:07 < qyx_> too much spaces this time 2015-01-26T16:53:15 < Steffanx> copied. 2015-01-26T16:53:43 < dongs> da fuq 2015-01-26T16:53:45 < dongs> that code 2015-01-26T16:54:33 < Laurenceb> hmmm 2015-01-26T16:54:39 < Laurenceb> maybe I should comment it out... 2015-01-26T16:54:59 < Laurenceb> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m572718.aspx 2015-01-26T16:58:01 < Laurenceb> omfg 2015-01-26T16:58:02 < Laurenceb> http://www.at91.com/discussions/viewtopic.php/f,15/t,20736.html 2015-01-26T16:58:17 < Laurenceb> "In ACMD41 you need to pass the that the host supports SDHC cards and you need to pass which voltage is handled" 2015-01-26T16:58:21 < Laurenceb> prob my issue 2015-01-26T17:00:22 < dongs> i just used uhh... 2015-01-26T17:00:26 < dongs> some reference stm32/dma code 2015-01-26T17:00:43 < Laurenceb> me too 2015-01-26T17:00:50 < Laurenceb> its probably card related 2015-01-26T17:01:00 < Laurenceb> some implimentation sowrk... 2015-01-26T17:01:03 < dongs> MMC/SDSC/SDHC (in SPI mode) control module for STM32 Version 1.1.6 */ 2015-01-26T17:01:07 < dongs> (C) Martin Thomas, 2010 - based on the AVR MMC module (C)ChaN, 2007 */ 2015-01-26T17:01:09 < dongs> this trash 2015-01-26T17:01:12 < Laurenceb> yup 2015-01-26T17:01:12 < dongs> worked flawlessly 2015-01-26T17:01:21 < Laurenceb> what brand cards? 2015-01-26T17:01:40 < Laurenceb> honestly if civil engineers took their work as seriously as consumer electronics engineers then most people would die of structures falling on them 2015-01-26T17:01:47 < dongs> um one proj was specific to sandisk 1gb shits, we orderd liek 1000 of htem 2015-01-26T17:01:55 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-01-26T17:01:55 < dongs> the other was just random microsd 2015-01-26T17:02:02 < Laurenceb> yeah I have 4GB, SDHC 2015-01-26T17:02:03 < Tectu> dongs, I use FatFS on a regular basis and I use the ChibiOS/RT and uGFX provided wrappers with no problem at all for a long time 2015-01-26T17:02:10 < Tectu> dongs, I tried up to 32GB with no issues 2015-01-26T17:02:19 < Laurenceb> previously I have only used it with Lexar SDHC 2015-01-26T17:02:31 < Laurenceb> works ok with those 2015-01-26T17:02:39 < dongs> 4gb doesnt really warrant a sdhc 2015-01-26T17:02:47 < dongs> its kinda lamea its hard to buy NON-SDHC cards these days 2015-01-26T17:03:01 < dongs> i had to ask chinagirl for these 1gb sandiskss 2015-01-26T17:03:26 < Steffanx> all fake.. 2015-01-26T17:03:34 < dongs> its pretty hard to fake 1gb 2015-01-26T17:03:41 < dongs> thats usually how big most fakes are 2015-01-26T17:06:07 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T17:06:07 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-26T17:06:07 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T17:06:40 < dongs> ha man lol 2015-01-26T17:06:43 < dongs> this dickstarter had it all 2015-01-26T17:06:49 < dongs> articled on engadget 2015-01-26T17:06:53 < dongs> tons of blog coverage 2015-01-26T17:06:55 < dongs> loawl 2015-01-26T17:06:58 < dongs> (still failed) 2015-01-26T17:07:14 < dongs> got 83k out of 300k 2015-01-26T17:10:54 < Laurenceb> oh fail 2015-01-26T17:11:03 < Laurenceb> "For ACMD41 command in SD mode as argument i have to pass voltage, but not in the SPI mode" 2015-01-26T17:14:44 < Laurenceb> hmf 2015-01-26T17:14:50 < Laurenceb> I havent a clue then 2015-01-26T17:23:52 < qyx_> dongs: any news on the lantronix issue? 2015-01-26T17:24:16 < dongs> npoe, lemme ping them right now 2015-01-26T17:25:35 < dongs> good news is they created an account for me 2015-01-26T17:25:36 < dongs> on suport system 2015-01-26T17:26:15 < qyx_> heh 2015-01-26T17:26:25 < dongs> so i can use that to retweet them 2015-01-26T17:26:27 < dongs> doing so: now 2015-01-26T17:34:44 < gxti> dongs: so what's cheapest sd size? 1gb? 2015-01-26T17:35:08 < dongs> gxti: 1g was pretty cheap yeah 2015-01-26T17:35:13 < dongs> it was bigsd also 2015-01-26T17:36:48 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Plus-2GB-Card/dp/B000EWI8IK 2015-01-26T17:36:49 < dongs> haha 2015-01-26T17:36:53 < dongs> this is NEW 2 ME 2015-01-26T17:37:39 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-26T17:37:47 < Laurenceb> same card works in other boards 2015-01-26T17:37:48 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-26T17:38:27 < Laurenceb> how important are decoupling caps close to the card? 2015-01-26T17:38:34 < Laurenceb> mine are ~15mm away 2015-01-26T17:38:41 < dongs> doesnt matter 2015-01-26T17:38:43 < dongs> at least on mine 2015-01-26T17:38:53 < dongs> do you have a bulk ap too? 2015-01-26T17:38:55 < dongs> er cap 2015-01-26T17:38:57 < Laurenceb> VCC looks fine 2015-01-26T17:38:58 < dongs> liek 10uf or so 2015-01-26T17:39:00 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-26T17:39:09 < Laurenceb> I have 100nF and 10uF 2015-01-26T17:39:29 < dongs> should be fine 2015-01-26T17:41:35 < Laurenceb> hmmm 2015-01-26T17:41:37 < Laurenceb> /* Select the card and wait for ready */ 2015-01-26T17:41:37 < Laurenceb> DESELECT(); 2015-01-26T17:41:37 < Laurenceb> SELECT(); 2015-01-26T17:41:53 < Laurenceb> ^maybe thats going screwy due to my APB settings 2015-01-26T17:41:57 < Laurenceb> theres no delay lol 2015-01-26T17:42:24 < Laurenceb> according to avrfreaks "Leaving the CS low at all times during the last command will cause the response to be 0x01 seemingly forever, and the process times out. " 2015-01-26T17:46:24 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-waddnnwosvglnjcs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-26T18:01:40 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-26T18:04:21 < Steffanx> i guess the specs tell you something about the minimal delay Laurenceb .. 2015-01-26T18:04:46 < Laurenceb> no thats not the problem 2015-01-26T18:04:55 < Laurenceb> I've tried adding a delay, same issue :-/ 2015-01-26T18:06:07 < qyx_> pullups, pulldown 2015-01-26T18:06:12 < qyx_> but i had similar problems 2015-01-26T18:06:15 < qyx_> then i gave up 2015-01-26T18:06:32 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-01-26T18:07:20 < Laurenceb> failure is not an option 2015-01-26T18:07:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.130.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-26T18:09:04 < Laurenceb> how can i find the return value of a function in gdb? 2015-01-26T18:09:12 < dongs> it's in EAX 2015-01-26T18:09:19 < Laurenceb> oh finish 2015-01-26T18:09:24 < Laurenceb> or that, yeah 2015-01-26T18:09:52 < Laurenceb> yeah ACMD41 returns 0.01 2015-01-26T18:09:54 < Laurenceb> *0x01 2015-01-26T18:11:30 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.26.146.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T18:13:15 -!- jadew` [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T18:16:12 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T18:24:41 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T18:38:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T18:44:33 < dongs> i wonder if theres a way to make a layer in altium visible but NOT activated so it doesnt try to move lines/text etc thats on it 2015-01-26T18:45:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T18:54:26 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:02:16 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:03:14 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:04:29 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:04:31 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:14:56 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:15:53 < Laurenceb> I wonder if theres a way to make µSD work 2015-01-26T19:16:06 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-26T19:16:06 -!- tonyarkles_ is now known as tonyarkles 2015-01-26T19:16:36 < karlp> nah, they're a fad. never catch on. 2015-01-26T19:36:15 < emeb> I see dongs is in Washington DC -> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/01/26/obama-white-house-device-josh-earnest/22338781/ 2015-01-26T19:37:08 < dongs> old link is old 2015-01-26T19:38:00 < emeb> one hour - I'm so behind the times... 2015-01-26T19:38:54 < dongs> http://dh.elsewhere.org/timecube/ 2015-01-26T19:40:13 < emeb> awesome word salad there 2015-01-26T19:44:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T19:44:55 < qyx_> omg this low memory footprint ed25519 implementation is slow as meh 2015-01-26T19:45:12 < dongs> heh 2015-01-26T19:45:25 < qyx_> it takes 11 seconds to verify a signature on F401 @ 16MHz hsi 2015-01-26T19:45:32 < dongs> thats awesome 2015-01-26T19:45:48 < karlp> hsi because you're trying to validate a new image? 2015-01-26T19:46:07 < qyx_> theres is another available which does about 10 verifications per seconds 2015-01-26T19:46:12 < qyx_> but thats 13KB 2015-01-26T19:46:15 < qyx_> karlp: yep 2015-01-26T19:46:36 < karlp> still, no reason not to hsi->pll right? 2015-01-26T19:46:44 < qyx_> i will do it at 84MHz but now i am too lazy to configure the pll 2015-01-26T19:47:13 < dongs> oh this is in bootlolder? 2015-01-26T19:47:21 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-26T19:47:26 < dongs> move it to userspace? 2015-01-26T19:47:27 < qyx_> 3KB code size 2015-01-26T19:47:38 < qyx_> for assymetric signature verification 2015-01-26T19:47:58 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@t3.evt.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-26T19:48:19 < karlp> are you trying to prevent aunauthed images, or just validate that the image is a "factory approved" one? 2015-01-26T19:48:44 < dongs> clive1 will hack your shit regardless 2015-01-26T19:48:48 < dongs> so might as well just give up 2015-01-26T19:49:01 < qyx_> both, mainly to prevent unauth remote fw upgrade 2015-01-26T19:49:27 < Laurenceb> ok wtf 2015-01-26T19:49:44 < Laurenceb> I found the source of the error - sometimes my spi bus is APB4 2015-01-26T19:49:54 < Laurenceb> *clocked at APB/4 2015-01-26T19:49:59 < Laurenceb> WTF 2015-01-26T19:51:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-26T19:52:25 < qyx_> karlp: hmac will do but having the keys freely readable from the user app excludes any symmetric auth 2015-01-26T19:52:29 < qyx_> *would 2015-01-26T19:52:36 < emeb> Laurenceb: something tweaking the RCC when you're not expecting? 2015-01-26T19:53:00 < Laurenceb> something like that... 2015-01-26T19:54:33 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-78-8-153-63.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-26T19:59:42 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Quit: brb] 2015-01-26T20:02:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T20:03:24 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-26T20:07:07 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-01-26T20:11:21 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-78-8-153-63.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T20:19:09 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [] 2015-01-26T20:22:27 < Laurenceb> does M3 have hardware watchpoints? 2015-01-26T20:24:18 < karlp> yup 2015-01-26T20:25:02 < Laurenceb> doesnt seem to work with st-link 2015-01-26T20:25:14 < Laurenceb> Could not insert hardware watchpoint 16. 2015-01-26T20:26:45 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T20:27:59 < karlp> I could tell you to stop using st-link, but I've done it a few times, and you don't seem to care 2015-01-26T20:28:10 < karlp> watchpoing 16 doesn't raise any bells for you? 2015-01-26T20:28:43 < gxti> a curious number 2015-01-26T20:34:38 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T20:36:45 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfhcmictewyfrpbs] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T20:37:18 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@S0106c03f0e8b63d5.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2015-01-26T20:40:09 < Laurenceb> ok i found the bug in the spi driver 2015-01-26T20:40:18 < Laurenceb> but the card behaviour is only slightly better 2015-01-26T20:40:38 < Laurenceb> it needed while(SPI_SD->SR & SPI_SR_BSY) {;} define touching the control register 2015-01-26T20:43:41 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T20:46:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.130.224] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T20:53:29 < emeb> show me on the register map where the bad man touched you 2015-01-26T20:54:00 < Laurenceb> I fixed it 2015-01-26T20:54:09 < emeb> \o/ 2015-01-26T20:54:13 < Laurenceb> NVIC_SystemReset() if it goes wrong 2015-01-26T20:54:34 < emeb> seems rather extreme 2015-01-26T20:54:39 < Laurenceb> it works lol 2015-01-26T20:54:51 < emeb> how can you tell if it goes wrong? 2015-01-26T20:54:55 < Laurenceb> something is clearly pissing over some registers 2015-01-26T20:55:03 < Laurenceb> ACMD41 times out 2015-01-26T20:55:09 < Laurenceb> bbl 2015-01-26T20:55:22 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-26T20:56:03 < emeb> nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure. 2015-01-26T21:02:24 < ds2> seperate into supervisor mode and non supervisor? 2015-01-26T21:03:45 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/3pms3 2015-01-26T21:03:49 < qyx_> finally wroks \o/ 2015-01-26T21:07:45 < emeb> your firmware has been verified. 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Well, that's a bad idea almost always, by default. 2015-01-26T22:30:35 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 2015-01-26T22:30:37 < PaulFertser> Unless you know for sure that device can't be parasitically powered, as the case for e.g. Tiva C parts. 2015-01-26T22:32:40 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-26T22:34:52 < Laurenceb__> theres no problems on my other boards 2015-01-26T22:34:59 < Laurenceb__> but maybe its borderline 2015-01-26T22:35:54 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/commit/0a9161984331a71c556cdc95c34a235bbf06ec88 2015-01-26T22:36:01 < Laurenceb__> those changes stop the speed going nuts 2015-01-26T22:36:25 < Laurenceb__> but the card doesnt seem to mind, its something else causing the issues 2015-01-26T22:39:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T22:46:45 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-26T22:48:07 < Laurenceb__> hmm that might be the issue 2015-01-26T22:48:23 < Laurenceb__> as my gpio init has changed on the board 2015-01-26T22:48:31 < Laurenceb__> moar debugging fun 2morrow :D 2015-01-26T23:02:11 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-26T23:03:42 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T23:06:01 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T23:06:08 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-26T23:09:23 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T23:10:33 < karlp> qyx_: what's sffs? 2015-01-26T23:11:02 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-26T23:11:24 < karlp> is ubload your bootloader? looks sexy... 2015-01-26T23:12:18 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-12.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T23:12:52 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfhcmictewyfrpbs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-26T23:22:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-26T23:32:47 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-26T23:32:59 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-26T23:48:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-26T23:49:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] --- Day changed Tue Jan 27 2015 2015-01-27T00:22:35 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-27T00:24:28 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T00:28:11 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@netacc-gpn-4-27-240.pool.telenor.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T00:53:59 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T00:58:07 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylovizurgmnhvmxu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T01:21:49 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-78-8-153-63.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-27T01:25:54 < ds2> is it possible to have a hard fault where CFSR = 0 and HFSR = 0x4000 0000. the arm docs says to look at the CFSR but.... 2015-01-27T01:32:48 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-01-27T01:34:42 < emeb> sittin' around. between contracts. nothing going on. 2015-01-27T01:34:50 < dongs> sux 2015-01-27T01:34:55 < ds2> build a coffee can radar 2015-01-27T01:35:00 < dongs> start innovating 2015-01-27T01:35:01 < emeb> kinda nice akshully. 2015-01-27T01:35:11 < emeb> ya - got some ideas percolating 2015-01-27T01:35:16 < dongs> nice 2015-01-27T01:35:24 < dongs> im stuck doing endless shitwork 2015-01-27T01:35:25 < emeb> need to crank out some OSHpark boards & try some stuff. 2015-01-27T01:35:49 < ds2> emeb: do you know anything about image processing/computer vision? 2015-01-27T01:36:06 < emeb> ds2: nothing beyond a class in school and some hobby stuff. 2015-01-27T01:36:28 < emeb> played around with beyer color filter processing years ago. 2015-01-27T01:36:40 < ds2> ah 2015-01-27T01:37:15 < emeb> ds2: what are you looking at? 2015-01-27T01:38:03 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iaifxwngmamhlxsd] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T01:40:07 < ds2> emeb: playing with face detect and object tracking...toying with the idea of building up a small (under 3ft) robot to toy with it 2015-01-27T01:40:23 < ds2> problem for me is they are blackboxes that do magic. feed in image and I get numbers out 2015-01-27T01:40:53 < emeb> lots going on under the hood 2015-01-27T01:41:13 < emeb> opencv? 2015-01-27T01:41:20 < ds2> non opencv 2015-01-27T01:41:26 < ds2> trying to do as little C++ as possible 2015-01-27T01:41:58 < emeb> not a real man's language. :) 2015-01-27T01:42:31 < ds2> it is more of an integration problem 2015-01-27T01:42:51 < ds2> plain C as I want to hook up my camera feed and be able to take that to drive something 2015-01-27T01:42:58 < ds2> classes just gum up the works 2015-01-27T01:43:43 < emeb> what hardware platform? 2015-01-27T01:45:33 < ds2> BBB 2015-01-27T01:45:59 < ds2> done enough with it that I can make it dance on a pinhead if needed ;) 2015-01-27T01:46:56 < emeb> ds2: indeed - they're nice little boards if you know how to make them go. 2015-01-27T01:47:07 < emeb> too bad that CCO is such a shitshow. 2015-01-27T01:48:04 < ds2> I don't do CCO 2015-01-27T01:48:17 < ds2> neither do any of the folks who I worked with to build derivative projects 2015-01-27T01:48:26 < emeb> you get em from Newark/el14? 2015-01-27T01:48:44 < ds2> the official boards? 2015-01-27T01:48:49 < emeb> any 2015-01-27T01:48:57 < ds2> i get them from where ever it is handy 2015-01-27T01:49:04 < ds2> it is just the custom boards I go elsewhere 2015-01-27T01:49:17 < emeb> aha. makes sense. 2015-01-27T01:49:46 < ds2> if I ever have time, I'll make a little board about the size of your F4 board but with the AM335x 2015-01-27T01:50:15 < emeb> ds2: If you want any help with that I'd love to particiate. 2015-01-27T01:50:42 < ds2> 'k I can definitely use help but is all over the place 2015-01-27T01:52:17 < emeb> cool - let me know. 2015-01-27T01:53:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T02:07:22 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-27T02:07:52 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-27T02:19:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYf9HK-rI1s how to overclock 2015-01-27T02:19:48 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylovizurgmnhvmxu] has quit [] 2015-01-27T02:20:00 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzhquevfcvxkkpyx] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T02:23:51 < qyx_> karlp: sffs is my nor flash filesystem parody 2015-01-27T02:24:16 < qyx_> i needed something simple and small and ended up with that.. thing 2015-01-27T02:25:47 < qyx_> and yes, i am writing ubload now 2015-01-27T02:31:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T02:46:00 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-27T03:04:03 < dongs> fucksake 2015-01-27T03:04:27 < kakeman> hello dongs 2015-01-27T03:04:43 < kakeman> 0300 good time to wake up 2015-01-27T03:04:46 < dongs> "where are teh rev1 boards i ordered like a week ago" "oh, i thought you needed to have time to work on rev2" "yeah, by having rev1 in stock" 2015-01-27T03:04:54 < dongs> fucking ffffff 2015-01-27T03:15:12 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T03:47:31 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T03:47:32 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iaifxwngmamhlxsd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-27T03:55:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T03:58:00 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has quit [Quit: Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do] 2015-01-27T03:59:40 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T04:12:10 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-19-180-2.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T04:12:56 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T04:17:35 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-27T04:20:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T04:32:11 < dongs> still not innovating 2015-01-27T04:38:13 -!- ryankarason [~rak@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2015-01-27T04:38:57 < PeterM> just blogging around? any news on lantrondix? 2015-01-27T04:39:46 < dongs> ticket reopened waiting for them to tweetback 2015-01-27T04:40:32 < dongs> Status Updated 2015-01-27T04:40:32 < dongs> Created 01/21/2015 04:30 PM 2015-01-27T04:40:32 < dongs> Updated 01/26/2015 07:28 AM 2015-01-27T04:40:44 < PeterM> damn, their support must be as useless as their products 2015-01-27T04:40:46 < dongs> 5 days no response until i prodded them again 2015-01-27T04:40:46 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-27T04:41:03 < dongs> i was actually twittering around and found something better 2015-01-27T04:41:06 < dongs> in ~same size too 2015-01-27T04:41:10 < dongs> that actually has published speeds 2015-01-27T04:41:12 < dongs> lemme dig the url again 2015-01-27T04:41:47 < dongs> http://www.cdiweb.com/ProductDetail/AMW004WALLABY-ACKme-Networks/493015/ 2015-01-27T04:42:00 < dongs> not to mention way better range 2015-01-27T04:43:23 < PeterM> not bad, not bad 2015-01-27T04:44:13 < PeterM> still garbage but not bad 2015-01-27T04:44:23 < dongs> at least better than dongtronix i think 2015-01-27T04:44:29 < PeterM> yeah 2015-01-27T04:44:52 < PeterM> but thats not hard - the lantronix one is basically a glorified wifi uart 2015-01-27T04:45:46 < dongs> well thats cute 2015-01-27T04:45:51 < dongs> their FCCID isnt in database 2015-01-27T04:46:19 < dongs> or i keep misspelling it 2015-01-27T04:47:22 < PeterM> 2ABPY-61F8D? 2015-01-27T04:47:26 < dongs> ya 2015-01-27T04:47:27 < dongs> found 2015-01-27T04:47:29 < dongs> gcc just sucks 2015-01-27T04:47:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T04:47:47 < dongs> lul no inside pics 2015-01-27T04:47:50 < dongs> all confidential 2015-01-27T04:48:25 < dongs> oo 2015-01-27T04:48:26 < dongs> found 2015-01-27T04:48:40 < dongs> haha wat 2015-01-27T04:48:48 < dongs> "internal photos" = picture of evalboard 2015-01-27T04:48:52 < dongs> wiht module on it 2015-01-27T04:50:01 < emeb_mac> link? 2015-01-27T04:50:49 < dongs> cant link to fccid shit 2015-01-27T04:51:04 < dongs> search fccid for 2ABPY (company c ode) 2015-01-27T04:51:06 < dongs> they have liek 4 things 2015-01-27T04:51:19 < dongs> the 61F8D shit has 2 entries, one has pics + shit one more is just useless crap + confidential letter 2015-01-27T04:52:04 < dongs> haha, dongtronix using same broadcom wifi chip 2015-01-27T04:52:06 < dongs> BCM43362 2015-01-27T04:52:14 < dongs> http://www.sphinxcomputer.de/produktdb/documents/3402_4492.pdf 2015-01-27T04:52:46 < dongs> oh wow 2015-01-27T04:52:50 < dongs> theres so many modules based on that + STM32 2015-01-27T04:52:52 < dongs> lolz 2015-01-27T04:53:02 < dongs> http://www.murata.co.jp/products/microwave/module/lbwb1zzydz/pdf/lbwb1zzydz.pdf 2015-01-27T04:53:04 < dongs> infact... 2015-01-27T04:53:13 < dongs> that looks like 1:1: copy of dongtronix shit 2015-01-27T04:53:14 < dongs> same F205 2015-01-27T04:53:14 < PeterM> why no just use siungle AR9331? 2015-01-27T04:53:51 < dongs> wtf murata thing looks almost same like xpico wifi 2015-01-27T04:53:56 < dongs> also same weird ass board to board connector 2015-01-27T04:54:08 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T04:54:20 < dongs> Customers should layout their PCB for Hirose part number 2015-01-27T04:54:21 < dongs> DF40C(2.0)-40DS-0.4V(51). 2015-01-27T04:54:44 < dongs> ah, little diff 2015-01-27T04:54:52 < dongs> DF23 series on murata 2015-01-27T04:54:59 < dongs> DF40 on xpico 2015-01-27T04:56:07 < dongs> PeterM: l;ol @ AR9331 thats huge + probably draws an amp of current 2015-01-27T04:56:14 < dongs> not ot mention needs external sdram? 2015-01-27T04:56:19 < dongs> doesnt trhat shit run lunix 2015-01-27T04:57:17 < PeterM> you can put whatever the fuck you want on it, its standart mips32 24kc 2015-01-27T04:57:35 < PeterM> disgusting but standart 2015-01-27T04:57:53 < dongs> well, i guess ZANOOS could run on it 2015-01-27T04:57:57 < dongs> cuz PIC32MZ is also MIPS? 2015-01-27T04:57:58 < dongs> i think 2015-01-27T04:57:59 < dongs> ahahha 2015-01-27T04:58:05 < PeterM> also only shit implimentations use 1 amp, about 300ma under full power wifi tx 2015-01-27T04:58:33 < dongs> maybe if it has a parallel camera input port, this will be the way to save zano 2015-01-27T04:58:44 < dongs> xcept they're meeting "suppliers" this week 2015-01-27T04:58:46 < dongs> and FINALIZING BOM 2015-01-27T04:59:02 < PeterM> nah, divine intervention couldnt save zano 2015-01-27T04:59:25 < dongs> We are finalising the production Zano specification. The bill of materials is virtually sorted and rationalised. We have a suppliers day tomorrow Tuesday 27th at Camtronics and all the key suppliers. This is to set expectations for all parties so the suppliers know what we need and they can confirm lead times to meet the two production schedules. This is key to the project plan and will firm up delivery dates for the next 5 months leading up to Zano shipping in June. 2015-01-27T04:59:56 < dongs> i need to hire someone to rationalise my BOMs 2015-01-27T05:00:10 < dongs> suppliers day, is that like a tea party 2015-01-27T05:00:17 < dongs> party @ camtronics, everyone invited 2015-01-27T05:00:23 < dongs> open house 2015-01-27T05:01:08 < dongs> http://www.camtronicsvale.co.uk/ 2015-01-27T05:01:10 < PeterM> firm up deliver date? hows that? gets his missus to give em a bit of rub and tug? 2015-01-27T05:02:06 < dongs> i call BS on the "suppliers meeting production schedules" 2015-01-27T05:02:22 < dongs> 8 weeks lead time on part X = 8 weeks lead time, no amount of sucking cock is g oing to change that 2015-01-27T05:03:30 < PeterM> true dat 2015-01-27T05:04:11 < dongs> camtronics seems to specialize in making led lights 2015-01-27T05:04:16 < dongs> i guess they'll do real good making 8x8 array for zano 2015-01-27T05:05:23 < dongs> We are waiting on pricing on a few items, which when we receive this information hopefully this week, we can publish specifications and pictures of various parts from Zano Fuel, the spare battery charger, carry cases, batteries etc. 2015-01-27T05:05:27 < dongs> like 2015-01-27T05:05:29 < dongs> how the fuck can you design a part in 2015-01-27T05:05:32 < dongs> NOT knowing how much it cost? 2015-01-27T05:05:55 < dongs> > im gonna use this great PIC MCU 2015-01-27T05:06:03 < dongs> > 4 weeks later i find out its $10/chip 2015-01-27T05:06:06 < dongs> > suicide 2015-01-27T05:06:09 < PeterM> if you're fucked because you decided to make something oimpossible and now you're just throing money at it and want it so go away seems about right? 2015-01-27T05:06:28 < kakeman> dongs: how many of those? 2015-01-27T05:06:40 < dongs> how many of wats 2015-01-27T05:06:41 < dongs> We are also finalising bandwidth that will be available for sending video from Zano to your phone as well as putting the final specifications to the Zano OS API and SDK. We plan to release I. The next two weeks an alpha version of the SDK so developers can start playing. 2015-01-27T05:06:49 < dongs> 'finalizing'?? 2015-01-27T05:07:10 < dongs> apparently you had a "flying prototype streaming 720p video" why would you be finalizing anything after thaT? 2015-01-27T05:07:22 < kakeman> I have never had mcu above 10eur/pc 2015-01-27T05:07:26 < dongs> um 2015-01-27T05:07:57 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PIC32MZ2048ECH100-I%2FPT/PIC32MZ2048ECH100-I%2FPT-ND/4500845 2015-01-27T05:08:03 < dongs> i think this is the shit they're using 2015-01-27T05:08:06 < PeterM> wut. finalizing bandwidth? wasnt that shit finalized when you decided to use the lantrondix 2015-01-27T05:08:08 < kakeman> if it ever goes there I need to check what I'm doing 2015-01-27T05:08:24 < dongs> PeterM: thats what im sayin 2015-01-27T05:09:03 < dongs> also lol 2015-01-27T05:09:08 < dongs> availability onthose pic32s looks awful 2015-01-27T05:09:14 < dongs> digikey doesnt have more than 100-150 in stock of any model 2015-01-27T05:09:15 < dongs> lol 2015-01-27T05:09:26 < dongs> where the fuck are they gonna get 12k of them 2015-01-27T05:09:43 < gxti> unlike atmel they actually make stuff 2015-01-27T05:09:53 < dongs> clicking now 2015-01-27T05:10:02 < PeterM> 12k id by from microchip, get them pre-programmed too 2015-01-27T05:10:11 < dongs> In stock (processes immediately): 3,280 2015-01-27T05:10:23 < dongs> ok so mchp has 3k in stock of some rnadom one i pulled 2015-01-27T05:10:24 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-27T05:10:30 < dongs> but not before june 2015 2015-01-27T05:11:29 < dongs> k looks like leadtime is ~2 months on pic stuff when not in stock 2015-01-27T05:11:35 < dongs> estimated ship date: march 9 2015 2015-01-27T05:11:53 < dongs> zano, what else 2015-01-27T05:12:03 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-27T05:12:15 < dongs> they're finalizing trolling themselves 2015-01-27T05:12:19 < dongs> and will soon need to deliver something 2015-01-27T05:12:28 < dongs> or face immense rage 2015-01-27T05:12:38 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T05:12:57 < dongs> um 2015-01-27T05:13:02 < dongs> that would be cool but 2015-01-27T05:13:05 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:13:05 < dongs> its impossible 2015-01-27T05:13:08 < dongs> wiht current technology 2015-01-27T05:13:18 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T05:13:45 < dongs> in the power/weight/size envelope of the shit these dicks are advertising, definitely not 2015-01-27T05:14:08 -!- cmcmanis_ is now known as chuckmcm 2015-01-27T05:14:53 -!- dymk [~dymk@209.141.47.194] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:15:16 < dongs> R2COM: closest thing that comes near what they did is cheerson cx-30w 2015-01-27T05:15:25 < dongs> however it only has f light time of 5 minutes 2015-01-27T05:15:30 < dongs> off a 700mAh battery 2015-01-27T05:15:47 < dongs> these dicks claim 10-15minutes off 350mAh 2015-01-27T05:15:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:15:54 < dongs> with 5mp hd streaming 2015-01-27T05:16:02 < dongs> cheerson streams 320x240 @ like 5fps 2015-01-27T05:17:53 < dongs> also cheerson is like 70bux shipped 2015-01-27T05:18:01 < dongs> these clowns want 200bux 2015-01-27T05:18:08 < dongs> or 250 for retail version 2015-01-27T05:18:59 < dongs> http://www.lantronix.com/support/downloads/?p=XPICOWIFI this trash 2015-01-27T05:19:07 < dongs> which connects to pic by uart 2015-01-27T05:19:11 < dongs> at 921kbps m ax 2015-01-27T05:19:18 < dongs> they want to stream 720p@30fps over that 2015-01-27T05:19:58 < PeterM> 2bit greyscale! 2015-01-27T05:20:01 < dongs> R2COM: inside is STM32F205 2015-01-27T05:20:11 < dongs> running some commercial ipv4 stack 2015-01-27T05:20:28 < dongs> apparently SPI is slave mode only 2015-01-27T05:20:33 < dongs> i.e. for controlling other devices 2015-01-27T05:20:42 < dongs> the datasheet/docs are different about it in several places. 2015-01-27T05:21:50 -!- dekar [~elias@171.217.61.212] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:22:01 < dongs> anyway, it doesnt matter 2015-01-27T05:22:04 < dongs> nope 2015-01-27T05:22:09 < dongs> thats F205's USB-FS 2015-01-27T05:22:12 < dongs> so 12mbit 2015-01-27T05:22:48 < dongs> the kinda dudes who paid for the shit are dumb enough to not know the difference 2015-01-27T05:22:51 < dongs> they see video 2015-01-27T05:22:52 < dongs> they buy 2015-01-27T05:22:55 < dongs> kaching 2015-01-27T05:25:10 < kakeman> is there less troll crowdfunding services? 2015-01-27T05:25:57 < dongs> R2COM: they dont have CPU power to encode anything 2015-01-27T05:26:05 < kakeman> or mcu with video encoder 2015-01-27T05:26:06 < dongs> they're using jpeg encoder on the camera 2015-01-27T05:26:19 < dongs> they don't evne have enough ram to buffer frames and send htem to SD 2015-01-27T05:26:37 < dongs> never mind streaming them 2015-01-27T05:26:46 < dongs> one frame = ~150kbytes in jpeg at shit compression 2015-01-27T05:26:56 < dongs> so they need to upload at 4.5meg/second 2015-01-27T05:26:59 < dongs> to do 30fps streaming 2015-01-27T05:27:01 < dongs> not gonna happen 2015-01-27T05:27:55 < dongs> they cant do 4.5/sec over uart def, and not evne over that "30mhz spi" 2015-01-27T05:28:12 < dongs> and thats absolute minimum, assuming camera creates ~same sized jpegs for any complexity scene (it doesnt) 2015-01-27T05:28:39 < dongs> as far as I know camera doesnt have dual encoders either, so they cant encode shit version for streaming and real v ersion for saving to SD 2015-01-27T05:28:43 < dongs> so they're fucked no matter how you look at it 2015-01-27T05:29:16 < dongs> they also dont have cpu power or ram to decode image 2015-01-27T05:29:19 < dongs> and re-encode it into somethign else 2015-01-27T05:30:33 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:30:36 < dongs> they would need to use some smartphone-ish SoC 2015-01-27T05:30:42 < dongs> maybe SAMA5 type thing 2015-01-27T05:30:51 < dongs> and code lots of bare-metal stuff very carefully 2015-01-27T05:31:06 < dongs> and they would still need to start with minimum 700mAh batt 2015-01-27T05:31:11 < dongs> and stop claiming 15 mins flight time 2015-01-27T05:31:44 < dongs> and they'd probly need to buy that broadcom wifi chip directly 2015-01-27T05:31:46 < dongs> without module garbage 2015-01-27T05:31:56 < PeterM> id lol if we saw zano with ballswinner or mediatek or rockshit 2015-01-27T05:31:57 < dongs> to get anywhere near 4+meg/sec 2015-01-27T05:32:08 < dongs> PeterM: right, running assdroid 2015-01-27T05:32:19 < dongs> 8x8 lcd will display 'booting' logo for 3 minutes eery pwoer on 2015-01-27T05:32:22 < dongs> while battery drains to 50% 2015-01-27T05:32:38 < dongs> R2COM: not that i know of 2015-01-27T05:32:51 < PeterM> hahaha 10/10 would expect zeno to do that 2015-01-27T05:32:55 < dongs> SAMA5 is pretty neat but I'm way too deep into failing innovations to try somethin with that 2015-01-27T05:35:03 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:41:44 < dongs> eh, too much dumb shit 2015-01-27T05:46:57 < kakeman> just scrolling thru crowdfunding projects 2015-01-27T05:47:12 < dongs> < kakeman> just trolling thru crowdfunding projects 2015-01-27T05:47:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T05:47:33 < dongs> R2COM: here's some rage for you 2015-01-27T05:47:35 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens 2015-01-27T05:47:44 < kakeman> just some iproduct looking shit page after page 2015-01-27T05:51:41 < kakeman> how many headsets and speakers 2015-01-27T05:52:32 < dongs> they probably filled twatter with that garbage 2015-01-27T05:52:41 < dongs> or sent some pre-advertisement shit to faggot game bloggers 2015-01-27T05:53:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T05:58:38 < kakeman> kickstarter and indiegogo are just too murican and too hipster 2015-01-27T05:58:57 < kakeman> every page have some charging cable for iphone 2015-01-27T05:59:51 < kakeman> there is absolute lack of any serious products 2015-01-27T06:00:29 < kakeman> just lafistyle plastic gadgeds 2015-01-27T06:00:43 < kakeman> laif* life* 2015-01-27T06:01:32 < kakeman> definitelly 2015-01-27T06:02:52 < kakeman> needs? 2015-01-27T06:06:27 < PeterM> make kickstarter for potato salad 2015-01-27T06:06:53 < kakeman> packs of sheep need to consume 2015-01-27T06:12:46 < kakeman> to keep schemes afloat 2015-01-27T06:12:59 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:31bf:a76d:e095:94fc] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T06:16:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2015-01-27T06:17:46 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T06:18:56 < dongs> R2COM: jadew board amde no sense 2015-01-27T06:19:03 < dongs> it was liek a more-difficult-to-use-buttpirate and not opensores 2015-01-27T06:19:06 < dongs> nobody wants that 2015-01-27T06:19:22 < dongs> it wasnt even arduino compatible 2015-01-27T06:19:29 < dongs> or fit into raspberry pi 2015-01-27T06:20:06 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T06:27:03 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:31bf:a76d:e095:94fc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-27T06:35:54 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEFKFiXSx4 this is how you troll 2015-01-27T06:37:16 < kakeman> guys do you know if target speaks very first in swd? 2015-01-27T06:37:26 < dongs> why would it 2015-01-27T06:37:37 < dongs> you clock stuf into debug unit, it replies 2015-01-27T06:37:45 < dongs> it has no way of knowing you 'conencted' 2015-01-27T06:37:45 < kakeman> ok 2015-01-27T06:37:51 < dongs> unless you talk something into it 2015-01-27T06:38:32 < kakeman> just to be sure 2015-01-27T06:39:27 < kakeman> swdio stays high 2015-01-27T06:40:34 -!- Nutter [~hehe@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Nutter] 2015-01-27T06:43:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-27T06:46:57 < dongs> i dunno what it does usually 2015-01-27T06:46:59 < dongs> never bothred to check 2015-01-27T06:47:29 < kakeman> just orderder another debugger 2015-01-27T06:47:29 < dongs> is this on blank board? 2015-01-27T06:47:52 < kakeman> powered target 2015-01-27T06:48:12 < kakeman> semihosting binary 2015-01-27T06:48:20 < dongs> duno about htat 2015-01-27T06:48:43 < kakeman> and all swd pins are driven high by mcu so there is no open circuit 2015-01-27T06:50:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T06:51:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-27T06:51:03 < kakeman> if as control test another debugger works I open another and change level translator chips inside 2015-01-27T06:52:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T06:59:38 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-19-180-2.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2015-01-27T07:11:37 < kakeman> back to work R2COM 2015-01-27T07:11:41 < dongs> really 2015-01-27T07:11:47 < dongs> stop trawling 2015-01-27T07:12:17 < dongs> Will it be possible to dub audio onto recorded video whilst Zano is in flight? I'm thinking of being able to record commentary onto my smartphone which would get transmitted up to Zano and added to the video steram. I guess that there may be a little bit of latency but very little and, if it were a problem, it should be easy enough to sort out in post-processing 2015-01-27T07:12:22 < dongs> Top 2015-01-27T07:12:24 < dongs> loool 2015-01-27T07:15:05 < dongs> Loved TG group from day 1, 110% behind you guys. The detail of the KS comments and the passion behind the replies from Ivan against some stiff opposition has made my support for TG even stronger as it comes across so genuine. Good luck with your work over the next months guys, I think I can safely say we are all waiting with baited breath to see the finished product 2015-01-27T07:15:10 < dongs> ohh yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 2015-01-27T07:15:12 < dongs> 110% 2015-01-27T07:17:09 < Getty> is there btw any board on the market which has a socket for QFP64,100,120 made for STM32 which maps the ports to some pins (of course grouped by sense)? If this not exist, would you like to see that existing? 2015-01-27T07:17:21 < dongs> Getty: exists 2015-01-27T07:17:30 < Getty> dongs: ah ok, any keyword? 2015-01-27T07:17:34 < dongs> lemme link 2015-01-27T07:17:36 < dongs> wvshare has it 2015-01-27T07:17:38 < Getty> thx! 2015-01-27T07:17:57 < dongs> its in a weird category 2015-01-27T07:18:23 < Getty> you mean this? http://www.wvshare.com/column/STM32_Adapter.htm 2015-01-27T07:18:25 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/column/STM32_Adapter.htm 2015-01-27T07:18:25 < dongs> this 2015-01-27T07:18:26 < dongs> yes 2015-01-27T07:18:34 < dongs> it breaks out uart + xtal + power and shit 2015-01-27T07:18:40 < dongs> and you can just drop a chip in to test / flash it 2015-01-27T07:18:41 < Getty> yeah but.... its specific 2015-01-27T07:18:47 < dongs> ... yes specific to stm32... 2015-01-27T07:18:51 < Getty> we actually had a plan for making "all at once" 2015-01-27T07:18:56 < Getty> no i mean the processor sizes 2015-01-27T07:19:03 < dongs> Getty: ............ 2015-01-27T07:19:08 < dongs> R2COM: its a socket 2015-01-27T07:19:13 < Getty> hehe ;) but still good it exists 2015-01-27T07:19:14 < upgrdman> with in-circuit programming, why have LQFP sockets? 2015-01-27T07:19:15 < dongs> those zif sockets are expensive dude 2015-01-27T07:19:35 < Getty> yes sockets are expansive and they are not sold that much ;) 2015-01-27T07:19:38 < Getty> who needs sockets.... 2015-01-27T07:19:43 < dongs> Getty: i dont understand how you're going to make a cheap socket for 48, 64, 100 lqfp 2015-01-27T07:19:54 < Getty> dongs: socket as adapter 2015-01-27T07:20:01 < dongs> < Getty> is there btw any board on the market which has a socket for QFP64,100,120 made for STM32 which maps the ports to some pins (of course grouped by sense)? If this not exist, would you like to see that existing? 2015-01-27T07:20:05 < dongs> what 2015-01-27T07:20:06 < Getty> dongs: so you have the board with the mapping and then a connector for the socket again 2015-01-27T07:20:06 < dongs> then you need to repeat that in english 2015-01-27T07:20:15 < dongs> also done already 2015-01-27T07:20:17 < dongs> the wvshare core board 2015-01-27T07:20:18 < Getty> oh yeah "a socket" was wrong 2015-01-27T07:20:20 < dongs> + all the plugin shits 2015-01-27T07:20:29 < Getty> "socket adapters" 2015-01-27T07:20:35 < Getty> ah ok 2015-01-27T07:20:38 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/column/STM32_DevelopmentBoard.htm#Core407V 2015-01-27T07:20:41 < dongs> all those have same pinout 2015-01-27T07:20:46 < dongs> and they plug into bigger devboards 2015-01-27T07:20:51 < dongs> that breakout peripherals and shit 2015-01-27T07:21:16 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/product/Open407V-D-Standard.htm 2015-01-27T07:21:17 < dongs> like this 2015-01-27T07:21:28 < dongs> well, 2015-01-27T07:21:30 < dongs> that one is for d iscovery 2015-01-27T07:21:33 < dongs> but they have same shit for the core module 2015-01-27T07:21:42 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/product/Open407V-C-Standard.htm ya this 2015-01-27T07:21:43 < Getty> yeah thats really cool 2015-01-27T07:21:55 < dongs> its also very cheap considering PCB space used 2015-01-27T07:22:08 < Getty> yeah, thats a neat price 2015-01-27T07:22:10 < dongs> and comes with cheap accessories for all the peripherals 2015-01-27T07:23:30 < Getty> thanks for the info, i have to get out 2015-01-27T07:25:01 < dongs> you better. 2015-01-27T07:37:13 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T07:40:44 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-27T07:48:21 < kakeman> commas where? 2015-01-27T07:49:01 < emeb_mac> dafuq? 2015-01-27T07:49:03 < emeb_mac> C? 2015-01-27T07:49:51 < emeb_mac> freaky 2015-01-27T07:50:04 < emeb_mac> never used commas in matlab like that. 2015-01-27T07:50:10 < kakeman> matlab looks nasty 2015-01-27T07:50:17 < emeb_mac> and I write a *lot* of matlab 2015-01-27T07:50:29 < emeb_mac> matlab is OK 2015-01-27T07:50:33 < kakeman> is there some scientific librarys for C? 2015-01-27T07:50:35 < emeb_mac> can do a lot with it. 2015-01-27T07:50:40 < kakeman> so that no need of matlab 2015-01-27T07:51:11 < emeb_mac> sure - plenty of ways you could do same thing w/o using matlab. 2015-01-27T07:51:56 < emeb_mac> but it'd need a lot of different libs and would be a nightmare to maintain. 2015-01-27T07:52:16 < kakeman> one lib collection would be nice 2015-01-27T07:52:28 < emeb_mac> doesn't exist AFAIK 2015-01-27T07:52:46 < emeb_mac> there's scipy which comes close 2015-01-27T07:52:51 < emeb_mac> but then, python. 2015-01-27T07:53:14 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-27T07:53:30 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T07:53:36 -!- LostMeteor [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-27T07:53:53 < kakeman> no noo 2015-01-27T07:54:07 < kakeman> altought python is nice, it isn't 2015-01-27T07:54:34 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T07:54:46 < emeb_mac> thing about matlab is that there are a lot of different things pulled into one place - linear algebra, signal processing, statistics, plotting, etc. 2015-01-27T07:55:15 < emeb_mac> good plotting is a huge plus 2015-01-27T07:55:24 < kakeman> R2COM: shape comes before size 2015-01-27T07:55:35 < kakeman> but hell I like tits 2015-01-27T07:56:41 < kakeman> why? 2015-01-27T07:56:51 < emeb_mac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_tit 2015-01-27T08:00:52 < kakeman> birds are stalkers 2015-01-27T08:01:06 < kakeman> great tits and crows 2015-01-27T08:01:54 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has quit [Quit: Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do] 2015-01-27T08:01:57 < kakeman> when I lived in "cabin" kind of thing crows sitted on window panel and behind door at night 2015-01-27T08:02:25 < kakeman> sat yes 2015-01-27T08:04:21 < kakeman> and ones on window panel knocked the window with their ..noses? 2015-01-27T08:10:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.59] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T08:10:32 < PeterM> noses? beaks even 2015-01-27T08:11:38 < kakeman> beaks* sorry 2015-01-27T08:14:18 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.48.169] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T08:14:18 -!- zn414 [~zn414@103.247.48.169] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-27T08:14:18 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T08:22:37 < kakeman> isn't xon/xoff as easy as send of a character that says to pause or continue transmission? 2015-01-27T08:24:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T08:29:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-196-159.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T08:42:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T08:46:35 < jpa-> kakeman: yeah, and hope that it arrives before you run out of buffer space 2015-01-27T08:47:22 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-27T08:50:51 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T08:51:21 < kakeman> have you used it? 2015-01-27T08:52:30 < kakeman> I planned to use it to mute uart when entering tight turns 2015-01-27T08:52:59 < jpa-> tight turns? 2015-01-27T08:56:17 < kakeman> lot's of things happening in small amount of time 2015-01-27T08:56:31 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-27T08:56:55 < kakeman> or longer time even.. relativelly 2015-01-27T08:58:11 < kakeman> let's say milliseconds 2015-01-27T09:01:07 < kakeman> nice tool 2015-01-27T09:01:12 < kakeman> http://codepad.org/ 2015-01-27T09:01:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:03:11 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:05:17 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:05:26 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-27T09:06:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:10:06 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:11:41 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-27T09:15:44 < dongs> cockbad 2015-01-27T09:15:48 < dongs> pad, rather 2015-01-27T09:15:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:15:56 < dongs> kakeman: also ideone.com 2015-01-27T09:16:18 < dongs> supports more languages i think 2015-01-27T09:16:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:16:50 < kakeman> there should be some scrap paper type file in ides 2015-01-27T09:17:00 < dongs> yes 2015-01-27T09:17:00 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-27T09:17:05 < kakeman> write random code there and see what happens 2015-01-27T09:17:10 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-27T09:17:30 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:21:00 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:23:34 < qyx_> 07:52 < kakeman> I planned to use it to mute uart when entering tight turns 2015-01-27T09:23:39 < qyx_> you are doing it wrong 2015-01-27T09:23:42 < dongs> haha 2015-01-27T09:23:47 < dongs> ricer uart 2015-01-27T09:23:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:23:58 < kakeman> qyx_: ? 2015-01-27T09:24:10 < kakeman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzP0Zqxam7E let's have one too many rotors 2015-01-27T09:24:42 < qyx_> how could you expect that the other side stops sending you data when you send xoff? 2015-01-27T09:24:50 < qyx_> too optimistic expectation 2015-01-27T09:25:25 < kakeman> sending right then or sending in general? 2015-01-27T09:26:25 < kakeman> yolocopter 2015-01-27T09:26:36 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:26:50 < qyx_> in general you can't expect anything 2015-01-27T09:27:00 < qyx_> uhm, when i see those rc lipo packs.. 2015-01-27T09:27:09 < kakeman> send xoff multiple times and set buffers to minimum 2015-01-27T09:27:24 < kakeman> and if that doesn't work it doesn't matter 2015-01-27T09:27:52 < kakeman> you can expect even data going thru rs232 2015-01-27T09:27:55 < kakeman> can't 2015-01-27T09:28:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:29:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:29:40 < kakeman> my purposes are to test thing 2015-01-27T09:29:45 < kakeman> not production 2015-01-27T09:31:14 < kakeman> if it was production I would use modem pins 2015-01-27T09:32:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:32:57 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:33:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-27T09:35:06 < jpa-> why don't you just use rts/cts for tests also, it is easier than xon/xoff 2015-01-27T09:35:24 < jpa-> with xon/xoff you need to make sure your data never has xon/xoff characters 2015-01-27T09:37:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-27T09:37:50 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-27T09:38:24 < kakeman> I use numeric data anyway 2015-01-27T09:38:30 < kakeman> but that has a point 2015-01-27T09:50:51 < PeterM> kakeman qyx_ : holy shit RC lipos 2015-01-27T09:51:44 < PeterM> actually... no they look more like 18650s... 2015-01-27T09:56:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T09:59:52 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:01:08 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-27T10:01:15 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T10:03:01 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-27T10:04:21 < kakeman> http://codepad.org/gSQicVZK didn't know that ++ operation returns current value 2015-01-27T10:05:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:12:12 < jpa-> that's pretty basic 2015-01-27T10:12:22 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-27T10:15:51 < Getty> also see i++ vs ++i 2015-01-27T10:16:20 < Getty> "first return then add" vs "first add then return" 2015-01-27T10:16:25 < jpa-> and (i++,++i) 2015-01-27T10:16:52 < Getty> jpa-: is this a very bad smiley joke? ;) 2015-01-27T10:17:14 < jpa-> nope, but guess the value 2015-01-27T10:17:31 < jpa-> then guess if it is defined behaviour or not :P 2015-01-27T10:18:01 < Getty> i wouldnt risk whatever it is ;) but enlighten us! we talk about j = (i++,++i), yeah? 2015-01-27T10:18:14 < jpa-> yeah 2015-01-27T10:18:31 < jpa-> i have no idea; i would guess value is (i+2) and that it is defined behaviour 2015-01-27T10:18:40 < Getty> my first thought would be that it just executes ++i but it doesnt get back 2015-01-27T10:18:51 < Getty> j = i++; ++i; 2015-01-27T10:18:56 < Getty> is what i would imagine 2015-01-27T10:19:07 < jpa-> nah, comma operator returns the right side value IIRC 2015-01-27T10:19:15 < Getty> but i dont know anything about the C parser in that way, i already notice that its...... annoying 2015-01-27T10:19:19 < Getty> ah ok 2015-01-27T10:19:22 < Getty> even more awkward 2015-01-27T10:19:51 < PaulFertser> Hm, an libopencm3-inspired library: https://github.com/mnd/libstm8/ 2015-01-27T10:22:06 < jpa-> i wonder what selling point stm8 has? price? 2015-01-27T10:23:30 < PaulFertser> Yes, price, plus probably lower power consumption? 2015-01-27T10:24:04 < jpa-> not sure on power consumption 2015-01-27T10:24:11 < Getty> i also doubt they just exist as SMD ones ;) 2015-01-27T10:24:18 -!- PeterM1 [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:24:47 < Getty> we would use here ATMEGA for those 8bit cases, but after now learning a bit more about electronics it just makes sense to combine small microcontroller with big ones in many cases 2015-01-27T10:24:54 -!- Fleck [~fleck@ns.rullz.lv] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-27T10:25:36 < Getty> like using 8bit small stupid controller in "plugin hardware" which is managed by real microcontroller in the end central module 2015-01-27T10:25:36 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-27T10:25:40 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:26:11 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-27T10:26:29 < jpa-> Getty: sometimes yeah 2015-01-27T10:26:45 < PaulFertser> Getty: the point is that stm8 both way, way cheaper than megas, and have decent peripherals. 2015-01-27T10:26:48 < Getty> i cant even imagine making the sensoric concepts for a fish breeding farm without using a lot of stupid microcontroller that just gathers the data, cause one "Big one" who manages all of those just gets slowed down on other tasks when he does too much 2015-01-27T10:27:03 < Getty> oh yeah, we just would use atmega as my dad uses them since they exist ;) so its hard to convince him 2015-01-27T10:27:13 < Getty> i am already happy that he accepts that we need stm32 and not xmega for the serious work 2015-01-27T10:27:13 < jpa-> sometimes not; like if you have microcontrollers everywhere, you need to program them in production and maybe also provide means to upgrade 2015-01-27T10:27:43 < Getty> jpa-: oh yeah but the stupid microcontroller we made so far would have never needed any upgrade, but the point is very valid, yes 2015-01-27T10:28:00 < jpa-> ah, "this software is perfect, we'll never need to change it!!" 2015-01-27T10:28:09 < Getty> jpa-: but the plugin case is very good, we had this aquarium hive product plan which was extended via a RS485 bus 2015-01-27T10:28:29 < Getty> jpa-: well, if the sensor just sends out the data he gathers from the sensor out on the uart: yes, that can be pretty perfect 2015-01-27T10:29:20 -!- PeterM1 [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-27T10:29:40 < Getty> and in this plugin system we would have used atmegas on the extension boards which talk over rs485 with the central, very straight forward concept 2015-01-27T10:30:35 < Getty> i think very relevant is to understand that its always good to have the "fitting" thing, if you have too much power you just will come to more complex solutions without noticing 2015-01-27T10:30:48 < PaulFertser> Am I wrong in thinking that almost everywhere where you think of multipoint RS-485 it'd be better to use CAN? 2015-01-27T10:30:54 < Getty> (but you never have enough ram(tm)) 2015-01-27T10:31:20 < Getty> PaulFertser: i didnt read the specs to CAN yet, but can CAN handle 2km distance? 2015-01-27T10:31:25 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:31:28 < Getty> and deliver the power? 2015-01-27T10:31:42 < Getty> i dont know ;) i think its more short range if i remember right 2015-01-27T10:33:13 < jpa-> IMO CAN is often too complex and requires also more hardware 2015-01-27T10:33:25 < PaulFertser> If you go down to 10 kbit/s likely yes, 2km is ok. 2015-01-27T10:33:50 < jpa-> how does the CAN collision stuff handle long distances? 2015-01-27T10:34:38 < PaulFertser> But CAN provides nice automatic bus arbitration and prioritization. Also, CAN controllers have "mailboxes" so you just schedule something to be output, and it'll get out when possible, no need to manually check for collissions, retransmit, etc. 2015-01-27T10:34:56 < Getty> which all means more complex compoments 2015-01-27T10:35:27 < PaulFertser> If you already have a CAN peripheral plus one CAN phy IC, it's the same as RS-485, where you need a phy too. 2015-01-27T10:36:03 < jpa-> how many tiny cheap mcus have CAN peripheral? :P 2015-01-27T10:36:10 < Getty> _if_ you have, yes 2015-01-27T10:36:16 < PaulFertser> Long distances are more problematic, yes, as you have to waste more time on collision detection, but it's all automatic, so in theory easier to write firmware, and works fine if you do not need to get absolute maximum throughput. 2015-01-27T10:36:18 < Getty> good example here is the raspberry pi projects 2015-01-27T10:36:44 < Getty> no raspberry pi projects would have a CAN periphal, as they have "big power" in the raspberry pi and dont would use expansive stuff around attached to it 2015-01-27T10:37:14 < Getty> IF you have it, then it makes sense to NOT add additional hardware todo RS485 2015-01-27T10:37:27 < PaulFertser> But you need additional hardware for rs485 anyway. 2015-01-27T10:37:46 < Getty> if you NOT have it, then RS485 is more simple as adding CAN to the structure, but this is excluding the "we only do CAN" moment, as in specializing, which makes sense 2015-01-27T10:37:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.251] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:38:20 < Getty> so noone will tell you here to start doing rs485 just cause, if you are already keen on CAN and like using CAN hardware 2015-01-27T10:38:44 < Getty> but without any opinion...... i think rs485 is just the little tick more easy, i would even bet that i can get the hardware cheaper for sure 2015-01-27T10:39:04 < Getty> but that must be calculated as usual ;) 2015-01-27T10:41:43 < Getty> i also think CAN is pretty relevant if you combine high powered processors, which is less the thought behind RS485, but thats just a feeling 2015-01-27T10:42:04 < Getty> i wouldnt think of using RS485 to combine 2 STM32 2015-01-27T10:42:06 < PaulFertser> Hm, looks like getting CAN for real cheap is not possible yet. So when you want extremely low price per microcontroller rs485 is the choice. 2015-01-27T10:42:19 < Getty> see, won the bet! \o/ 2015-01-27T10:42:27 < Getty> i mean its logical: the old shit on electronics is ALWAYS a TON cheaper 2015-01-27T10:44:19 < Getty> (if its not yamaha sound chips) 2015-01-27T10:44:40 < Getty> someone wants some? 2015-01-27T10:46:36 < akaWolf> my coworker talked to me, that RS485 isnt cheaper than CAN 2015-01-27T10:47:25 < akaWolf> so there is one natural solution, when you need more than one master at line: to use CAN, not RS-485 2015-01-27T10:47:55 < GargantuaSauce> which ones Getty 2015-01-27T10:48:14 < Getty> GargantuaSauce: must ask my dad, will tell you 2015-01-27T10:48:27 < GargantuaSauce> k 2015-01-27T10:48:36 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T10:48:57 < Getty> he bought them once "Just because they were cheap" 2015-01-27T10:49:01 < Getty> electronicans...... 2015-01-27T10:49:52 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:56:23 < jpa-> akaWolf: though many times you do not need multiple masters 2015-01-27T10:58:07 < akaWolf> jpa-: probably 2015-01-27T10:58:23 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T10:59:40 < Getty> oh stupid question, how many pins does CAN need? are there also in there the option to use less pins at the cost of features? 2015-01-27T10:59:43 < PaulFertser> What I do not like about CAN is the complexity of all the higher level protocols that use CAN for transport. What I do not like about RS-485 is extreme inflexibility of Modbus. 2015-01-27T11:00:36 < jpa-> is there any good standard protocol for non-standard needs? :P 2015-01-27T11:00:48 < Getty> jpa-: are there standard needs???.... 2015-01-27T11:01:21 < Getty> the only thing everybody needs is a clock ;) 2015-01-27T11:02:05 < Getty> oh and grounding... yeah.... forgot about the grounding 2015-01-27T11:02:05 < GargantuaSauce> thats not true, asynchronous digital design is a thing 2015-01-27T11:02:11 < Getty> oh ok.... 2015-01-27T11:02:14 < Getty> so its just grounding 2015-01-27T11:02:21 < Getty> DONT.... say it ;) 2015-01-27T11:02:21 < GargantuaSauce> isolated power supplies? 2015-01-27T11:02:23 < PaulFertser> Well, CANOpen with CanFestival is tolerable, but CANOpen itself is so horribly complicated... 2015-01-27T11:02:27 < Getty> damn it! 2015-01-27T11:03:43 < Getty> btw, as someone who just dived into all this topic.... i must say the protocol "1-Wire" really has a confusing name ;) 2015-01-27T11:03:45 < Getty> just... saying 2015-01-27T11:11:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:13:43 < jadew> why is it confusing? 2015-01-27T11:15:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-27T11:16:38 < Getty> well its 2 wires ;) 2015-01-27T11:16:47 < jadew> the other one is ground 2015-01-27T11:16:55 < Getty> yeah still.... its confusing ;) 2015-01-27T11:20:20 < PaulFertser> Getty: CAN uses two wires (rx and tx) to communicate with the physical layer driver; the bus itself is two wires as well (balanced). 2015-01-27T11:20:35 < Getty> oh cool 2015-01-27T11:21:05 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:22:30 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T11:26:46 < akaWolf> like and RS-485 2015-01-27T11:26:48 < akaWolf> ) 2015-01-27T11:29:52 -!- chuckmcm [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T11:32:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.251] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:34:17 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:40:55 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:41:24 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30994307 2015-01-27T11:41:25 < dongs> racist 2015-01-27T11:42:38 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 2015-01-27T11:45:53 < jadew> lol 2015-01-27T11:54:35 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:55:47 < karlp> PaulFertser: you've gota bunch of "vendor" function codes in modbus if you want to go off-ranch :) 2015-01-27T11:55:55 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-27T11:56:05 < ReadError> dongs today is the evacuation day of auschwitz 2015-01-27T11:56:21 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T11:56:51 < karlp> can is also small packets 2015-01-27T11:58:45 < qyx_> can is also slower being "opendrained differential" 2015-01-27T12:01:40 < karlp> biasing resistors for reliable steady state is a power sucker on rs485 2015-01-27T12:06:44 < PaulFertser> karlp: but no sane facilities for async notifications. 2015-01-27T12:07:53 < karlp> not in modbus no. 2015-01-27T12:11:30 < dongs> modbus more like modbugs 2015-01-27T12:20:26 < qyx_> ok, any hints here? 2015-01-27T12:20:27 < qyx_> http://qyx.krtko.org/projects/ubload/ 2015-01-27T12:24:28 < jpa-> what kind of hints are you looking for? 2015-01-27T12:25:01 < qyx_> mainly if wrong reasoning is spotted 2015-01-27T12:26:28 < PaulFertser> qyx_: probably socat is also an option (in addition to ser2net). 2015-01-27T12:27:14 < jpa-> just a note: asymmetrically encrypted images do not have to be per-device, just have to contain list with the master key encrypted with each device key 2015-01-27T12:27:37 < jpa-> but that still adds no security as extracting any single per-device key allows to decrypt 2015-01-27T12:27:47 < dongs> so youre gonna ship like 10 devices max? 2015-01-27T12:27:59 < PaulFertser> qyx_: I personally do not like the word combination "intellectual property" as it has no well-defined meaning, and is usually used as an umbrella term for many different kinds of legislation, mostly to fool people. 2015-01-27T12:29:30 < qyx_> mhm 2015-01-27T12:29:34 < jpa-> generally yeah, though in this context "this is what this is *not*" it is IMO a good term 2015-01-27T12:29:59 < jpa-> "no matter what definition you apply to intellectual property, this does not protect it" 2015-01-27T12:30:06 < Fleck> qyx_: no "fuck" word! 2015-01-27T12:30:13 < qyx_> yep ot was meant like that 2015-01-27T12:31:03 < jpa-> qyx_: can the firmware communicate to the bootloader (to request upgrade or whatever)? how is that done? 2015-01-27T12:33:12 < qyx_> my first though was that the firmware simply saves a new version of itself in the nor flash 2015-01-27T12:33:33 < qyx_> modifies bootloader configuration value telling it which fw and version is the wanted one 2015-01-27T12:33:36 < qyx_> and reboot itself 2015-01-27T12:33:52 < jpa-> ok 2015-01-27T12:34:28 < jpa-> who manages removing outdated images? 2015-01-27T12:34:36 < qyx_> firmware itself 2015-01-27T12:34:52 < qyx_> i mean, nobody need to do that 2015-01-27T12:35:21 < qyx_> but if a new one is to be saved there and no space is available, old versions need to be removed 2015-01-27T12:37:12 < jpa-> leaves a lot of the difficult things to the firmware 2015-01-27T12:37:34 < qyx_> this could be implemented as a list of available firmware images in a web interface for example 2015-01-27T12:37:44 < qyx_> with simple radiobutton to check the desired one 2015-01-27T13:02:41 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T13:13:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T13:31:42 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-27T13:36:44 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prvkrblyqtjhwnpe] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T13:58:36 -!- Intelaida [6d3cc195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.193.149] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:03:28 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-27T14:06:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:07:23 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-27T14:08:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T14:09:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:11:25 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:11:28 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:14:31 < dongs> anyone have any hintz what to do in photoshop with a PCB im cloning 2015-01-27T14:14:33 < dongs> to see traces better 2015-01-27T14:16:11 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-27T14:16:12 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:25:17 < Laurenceb> happy dongs day 2015-01-27T14:26:01 -!- Intelaida [6d3cc195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.193.149] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-01-27T14:26:22 * Laurenceb has fixed his µSD card 2015-01-27T14:26:32 < dongs> wat was broken 2015-01-27T14:26:45 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9865233#5,8 2015-01-27T14:26:54 < Laurenceb> FatFS code 2015-01-27T14:27:14 < Laurenceb> it works fine if you happen to have 36Mhz APB 2015-01-27T14:28:14 < Laurenceb> but with my setup it was intermittently screwing with the SPI peripheral 2015-01-27T14:28:47 < Laurenceb> also SPI_BaudRatePrescaler_16 should really be a hardware specific define 2015-01-27T14:28:59 < Laurenceb> as the card wont boot unless its in the range 100 to 400khz 2015-01-27T14:35:08 < dongs> When I designed Zano, I specified that all the hardware I could think we would need for the foreseeable future was included. So even if the first firmware version won't make the best use of all the hardware, the fact that we have designed it all in and loaded the parts for every Zano means as our firmware evolves and improves, so will the functionality of your Zano and that will include using all the hardware to the best we can. 2015-01-27T14:36:02 < jpa-> in reality: we will ship bunch of hardware without ever testing if it actually works 2015-01-27T14:41:45 < Fleck> "we" are? 2015-01-27T14:44:47 < jpa-> zano 2015-01-27T14:44:58 < jpa-> imagine quotes around my super funny line 2015-01-27T14:46:25 < dongs> he specced all teh harwdare for 'foreseesable future" but couldnt figure out that 200mhz pic32 isnt gonna cut it for realtime face detection/h264 encoding/video streaming? 2015-01-27T14:48:02 < jpa-> it wasn't foreseeable 2015-01-27T14:49:21 -!- dekar [~elias@171.217.61.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-27T14:50:39 < Steffanx> i wonder if they ever looked at for example OpenMV. It hardly do face recognition with anything larger than 128x96 px. 2015-01-27T14:50:44 < Steffanx> on a stm32f4 2015-01-27T14:51:48 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:52:13 < dongs> pic32mz doesnt even have any real dsp 2015-01-27T14:52:19 < dongs> just a couple retarded multiplier shits 2015-01-27T14:52:56 < dongs> oh hm wait 2015-01-27T14:52:59 < dongs> it has "159 dsp instructions' 2015-01-27T14:53:01 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T14:53:07 < dongs> i was reading elsewehre it was just some boring shit 2015-01-27T14:54:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-27T15:06:32 < dongs> http://wondermark.com/1k96/ 2015-01-27T15:19:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzhquevfcvxkkpyx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-27T15:23:11 < dongs> heh, i saw http://eyevis.de/en/products/omnishapes/ at broadcast expo 2015-01-27T15:23:20 < dongs> didnt think of it until someone else asked me about similar shit 2015-01-27T15:23:34 < dongs> then I looked up the pics i took and found out it was german shit, then noticed it was projection 2015-01-27T15:23:42 < dongs> no wonder tehre's no bezel 2015-01-27T15:23:54 < dongs> i thought it was LCD stuff from just looking at it and not reading the rest of the stuff 2015-01-27T15:24:31 < dongs> of course I only took pics cuz it looked like a dick 2015-01-27T15:24:58 < Laurenceb> my BMP arrived :D 2015-01-27T15:25:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7OVxQwN.jpg 2015-01-27T15:25:40 < Laurenceb> impressive 2015-01-27T15:25:45 < Laurenceb> but wtf is it? 2015-01-27T15:25:49 < Laurenceb> rear projection/ 2015-01-27T15:25:51 < dongs> yes 2015-01-27T15:25:56 < dongs> dlp 2015-01-27T15:25:59 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-01-27T15:27:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk49Xw9u3EM 2015-01-27T15:27:35 < dongs> nice 2015-01-27T15:27:45 < dongs> wow, they've been trying to sell that shit for ages 2015-01-27T15:27:46 < dongs> i thought it was new 2015-01-27T15:27:53 < dongs> (since it was at last years expo 2015-01-27T15:31:19 < Laurenceb> BMP has two ACM devices? 2015-01-27T15:31:26 < dongs> yes 2015-01-27T15:31:27 < Laurenceb> ACM0 is the debug? 2015-01-27T15:31:32 < Laurenceb> nice 2015-01-27T15:31:36 < dongs> one is uart and one is some other trahs i dont remember 2015-01-27T15:31:38 < Laurenceb> so its usb serial as well 2015-01-27T15:31:41 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-27T15:31:42 < dongs> that 2015-01-27T15:31:50 < dongs> uart and the other one is the gdbserver trash 2015-01-27T15:32:07 < jadew> harry potter day \:D/ 2015-01-27T15:35:28 < Laurenceb> its not 2015-01-27T15:35:31 < Laurenceb> its dongs day 2015-01-27T15:36:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lolocaust&defid=4536427 2015-01-27T15:37:15 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-130-194.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T15:38:32 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-130-194.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T15:49:04 < Laurenceb> doens BMP need VCC connecting? 2015-01-27T15:52:20 < Steffanx> depends on your bmp i guess. Mine has a level shifter. 2015-01-27T15:53:46 < Laurenceb> mine doesnt 2015-01-27T15:53:58 < dongs> cloner 2015-01-27T15:56:18 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-27T15:56:21 < Laurenceb> it connects 2015-01-27T15:56:22 < Laurenceb> but 2015-01-27T15:56:24 < Laurenceb> (gdb) flash 2015-01-27T15:56:24 < Laurenceb> Error erasing flash with vFlashErase packet 2015-01-27T15:59:35 < jpa-> does anyone happen to have a set of gcc flags to enable -O1 but without common subexpression elimination and cortex-m if/then instructions, which interfere with breakpoints? 2015-01-27T16:14:22 -!- zn414 [~zn414@unaffiliated/zn414] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-27T16:24:47 < dongs> ur a vflash 2015-01-27T16:25:09 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@254C3737.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T16:34:23 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@254C3737.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-27T16:35:24 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@254C3737.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T16:37:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-222-67.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T16:40:11 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@254C3737.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-27T16:43:52 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-125-193-222-67.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-27T16:54:26 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+does+the+fox+say 2015-01-27T16:55:09 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+does+the+fox+say 2015-01-27T16:55:12 < dongs> err 2015-01-27T16:55:18 < dongs> sorry for double twit 2015-01-27T16:55:52 < ReadError> whats new on the zanoconspiracy 2015-01-27T16:56:36 < dongs> i did some low-quality twits 2015-01-27T16:57:46 < dongs> this is the best part for today 2015-01-27T16:57:47 < dongs> When I designed Zano, I specified that all the hardware I could think we would need for the foreseeable future was included. So even if the first firmware version won't make the best use of all the hardware, the fact that we have designed it all in and loaded the parts for every Zano means as our firmware evolves and improves, so will the functionality of your Zano and that will include using all the hardware to the best we can. 2015-01-27T16:57:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T16:58:33 < englishman> theres his copout 2015-01-27T16:58:54 < dongs> that firmware v1.0 wont have video streaming or gps navigation? 2015-01-27T16:58:58 < englishman> also bro 2015-01-27T16:59:01 < englishman> lrn2tweet 2015-01-27T16:59:03 < dongs> and that its "coming soon" via in app purchasd? 2015-01-27T16:59:09 < englishman> witjoput hashtags nobody will see your shit 2015-01-27T16:59:09 < dongs> sorry mang, please teach me 2015-01-27T16:59:19 < dongs> but hashtags add to teh fucking length 2015-01-27T16:59:24 < dongs> then all i can say is COCKS 2015-01-27T16:59:28 < dongs> and like add 20 hashtags 2015-01-27T16:59:37 < englishman> just #flyzano or whatever 2015-01-27T16:59:41 < dongs> doesnt fit 2015-01-27T16:59:42 < dongs> i know 2015-01-27T16:59:44 < dongs> i added it where i could 2015-01-27T16:59:57 < englishman> your shit is actually showing up in the hashmark search 2015-01-27T17:00:03 < englishman> but you gotta do it 2015-01-27T17:00:06 < dongs> oh nice 2015-01-27T17:00:09 < dongs> yes it finally is showing 2015-01-27T17:00:10 < dongs> cool 2015-01-27T17:01:03 < dongs> suggest me some hot tweets to spread around 2015-01-27T17:01:53 < englishman> #castAR? 2015-01-27T17:02:05 < dongs> more like #microsoftholocube 2015-01-27T17:02:07 < dongs> or whatever teh fuck its called 2015-01-27T17:02:12 < gxti> holodong 2015-01-27T17:02:14 < dongs> castar is deader than jerry's C64 project 2015-01-27T17:02:53 < dongs> gxti: if you have shit in a room and you got some pours in there also, why do pours not move when room moves 2015-01-27T17:03:12 < dongs> rather: it moved once, then i rotated the room and it no longer follows. 2015-01-27T17:03:13 < dongs> wtf. 2015-01-27T17:03:21 < gxti> dunno, rooms are flaky 2015-01-27T17:03:32 < dongs> ya but you'd think by 15.x they would figure it out 2015-01-27T17:10:09 < Laurenceb> hmf 2015-01-27T17:10:11 < Laurenceb> Error erasing flash with vFlashErase packet 2015-01-27T17:10:14 < Laurenceb> wtf BMP 2015-01-27T17:11:20 < qyx_> return to st-util 2015-01-27T17:11:21 < zyp> that's a gdb error 2015-01-27T17:11:31 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-27T17:11:52 < zyp> it simply means «erase failed for some reason, and the protocol doesn't have the means to provide the reason» 2015-01-27T17:12:10 < zyp> I mostly see it when I forget to attach to a target before I try programming it :p 2015-01-27T17:12:42 < Laurenceb> maybe it needs VCC connected 2015-01-27T17:13:19 < zyp> no 2015-01-27T17:13:36 < zyp> it'll report vcc when you do a scan, but it doesn't care otherwise 2015-01-27T17:13:54 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-27T17:14:12 < zyp> so anyway, are you attaching properly? 2015-01-27T17:14:17 < zyp> with scan and attach? 2015-01-27T17:14:28 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9865595 2015-01-27T17:15:12 < zyp> what's that var for? 2015-01-27T17:15:31 -!- MjrTom [MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T17:15:34 < Laurenceb> WDT reset stuff 2015-01-27T17:15:47 < zyp> okay 2015-01-27T17:16:03 < zyp> you don't have locked sectors or something? 2015-01-27T17:16:15 < zyp> erase will fail if you try erasing a locked sector 2015-01-27T17:16:37 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-27T17:16:43 < Laurenceb> how do you solve that problem? 2015-01-27T17:16:58 < Laurenceb> this works with st-link, just swap lines 7 and 8 2015-01-27T17:18:39 < zyp> (and 9 and 10) 2015-01-27T17:18:59 < zyp> sounds weird 2015-01-27T17:19:03 < zyp> what target is it? 2015-01-27T17:19:07 < Laurenceb> stm32f103 2015-01-27T17:21:25 < zyp> tried doing a mass erase? 2015-01-27T17:21:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T17:21:51 < Laurenceb> how? 2015-01-27T17:25:13 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T17:26:05 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9865623 2015-01-27T17:26:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T17:28:43 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T17:29:24 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T17:40:16 < karlp> Laurenceb: can you fix my sd card now? https://pastee.org/ggxwj 2015-01-27T17:41:19 < Laurenceb> interesting alternating errors 2015-01-27T17:42:45 < dongs> lunix 2015-01-27T17:42:49 < dongs> found problem 2015-01-27T17:44:38 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T17:45:43 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-27T17:52:25 < karlp> yup 2015-01-27T17:52:36 < Laurenceb> dunno lol 2015-01-27T17:52:50 * Laurenceb is trying to upgrade his BMP to latest firmware 2015-01-27T17:52:52 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T17:52:54 < Laurenceb> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe python-usb 0.4.2-2 2015-01-27T17:52:54 < Laurenceb> 403 Forbidden 2015-01-27T17:52:57 < Laurenceb> funtimes 2015-01-27T17:52:58 < dongs> good fucking luck 2015-01-27T17:53:20 < gxti> it's pretty ez 2015-01-27T17:53:40 < gxti> on lunix anyway 2015-01-27T17:53:43 < karlp> works here Laurenceb 2015-01-27T17:54:13 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-27T17:54:20 < Laurenceb> I'll talk to my BOFH 2015-01-27T17:56:12 < gxti> can't help you with ubunnypoo problems though 2015-01-27T18:03:42 < brabo> Laurenceb: try apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, then try to install again 2015-01-27T18:04:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:04:25 < Laurenceb> I'm getting 403 on _everything_ 2015-01-27T18:04:34 < Steffanx> 5 hours later and he installed "ubunnypoo 14.9" 2015-01-27T18:05:23 < brabo> Laurenceb: just try the apt-get update alone 2015-01-27T18:05:28 < brabo> then reinsmtall 2015-01-27T18:05:43 < brabo> sometimes when packages are updated, but your apt is not aware 2015-01-27T18:05:48 < brabo> it tries to download old version 2015-01-27T18:05:52 < brabo> which is not there anymore 2015-01-27T18:06:15 < brabo> not a lot lost with trying ;) 2015-01-27T18:07:46 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:07:46 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-27T18:07:46 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:11:06 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:15:20 -!- FransWillem [~quassel@5ED2C8FD.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:18:23 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:18:39 -!- perillamint [~perillami@59.187.100.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-27T18:20:31 -!- perillamint [~perillami@59.187.100.132] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:26:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T18:33:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.29.74] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:42:10 < Laurenceb> ah fixed it 2015-01-27T18:42:19 < Laurenceb> my BOFH sorted out proxy settings 2015-01-27T18:43:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:43:42 < Laurenceb> works now 2015-01-27T18:43:49 < dongs> http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/01/27/AirAsia-Black-Box-Report/ 2015-01-27T18:43:55 < dongs> nice kawaii mood icons 2015-01-27T18:43:56 < Laurenceb> almost like someone flashed it with troll firmware.... 2015-01-27T18:43:59 < dongs> (end of article) 2015-01-27T18:51:45 -!- Guest94434 [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T18:54:03 -!- Smd__ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T18:58:21 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.26.146.46] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-27T18:58:21 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T19:02:09 < Laurenceb> Running the default executable on the remote target failed; try "set remote exec-file"? 2015-01-27T19:02:11 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-27T19:02:17 < Laurenceb> why cant this shit just work 2015-01-27T19:02:29 < Steffanx> Why so interested in this airasia crash dongs? 2015-01-27T19:09:31 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-27T19:11:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T19:27:54 < Laurenceb> this is odd 2015-01-27T19:27:56 < Laurenceb> BusFault: (precise) accessing 0x40020070 2015-01-27T19:28:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BnilPFC.png tada 2015-01-27T19:29:38 < qyx_> pro board 2015-01-27T19:33:18 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T19:33:24 < ReadError> dongs did immersion hit you up before they did their clone board?? 2015-01-27T19:33:53 < englishman> wtf are you up to 2015-01-27T19:34:04 < englishman> do you own a famicom? 2015-01-27T19:34:11 < dongs> as a matter of fact yes 2015-01-27T19:34:21 < englishman> cool 2015-01-27T19:34:25 < englishman> so do i 2015-01-27T19:34:27 < englishman> with zapper! 2015-01-27T19:36:14 < Steffanx> Going to kickstart it dongs? Isn't something like that only for the retro gamers kickstarter gang? 2015-01-27T19:36:45 < dongs> Steffanx: why kickstart im already getting paid for it 2015-01-27T19:37:07 < englishman> why noth both 2015-01-27T19:37:09 < englishman> double dip 2015-01-27T19:37:11 < dongs> haha 2015-01-27T19:42:38 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T19:44:57 < Laurenceb> anyone know why this gives a busfault? 2015-01-27T19:45:00 < Laurenceb> buffer->tail=(uint16_t)(*(uint32_t*)(buffer->head)); 2015-01-27T19:45:10 < dongs> ... 2015-01-27T19:45:13 < Laurenceb> BusFault: (precise) accessing 0x40020070 2015-01-27T19:45:25 -!- faaaaaak [uid56692@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktknbqwzkrihuwcb] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T19:45:27 < dongs> how do i pointer 2015-01-27T19:45:35 < Laurenceb> buffer->head is 0x40020070 2015-01-27T19:46:05 < qyx_> and what are you expecting? 2015-01-27T19:46:21 < Laurenceb> it to be set to the contents of 0x40020070 2015-01-27T19:46:31 < qyx_> is it even valid address? 2015-01-27T19:46:46 < Laurenceb> is DMA 2015-01-27T19:48:13 < qyx_> apparently the bus doesn't like you 2015-01-27T19:48:28 < Laurenceb> buffer->head=&(USART2RX_DMA1->CNDTR) 2015-01-27T19:49:08 < englishman> i have f1 datasheet its cndtr6 wahtever that is 2015-01-27T19:49:15 < englishman> channel 6? 2015-01-27T19:49:21 < qyx_> is it 32bit register? 2015-01-27T19:49:27 < englishman> with 16b value 2015-01-27T19:51:07 < Laurenceb> maybe it needs to be volatile? 2015-01-27T19:51:33 < Laurenceb> yeah channel 6 2015-01-27T19:52:33 < qyx_> does it work "the normal way"? 2015-01-27T19:53:10 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/uvjbb 2015-01-27T19:53:12 < qyx_> interesting 2015-01-27T19:53:25 < qyx_> difference between gcc-4.8 and gcc-4.9 is 3K 2015-01-27T19:54:40 < Laurenceb> i can read it from gdb 2015-01-27T19:56:25 < qyx_> i mean with uint16_t var = USART2RX_DMA1->CNDTR 2015-01-27T19:56:27 < qyx_> or whatever 2015-01-27T19:58:17 < Steffanx> That is with Os, lto and stuff qyx_? 2015-01-27T19:59:23 < Steffanx> 10% a pretty significant change 2015-01-27T19:59:24 < Laurenceb> fixed it 2015-01-27T19:59:37 < Laurenceb> buffer->tail=(uint16_t)(*(volatile uint32_t*)(buffer->head)); 2015-01-27T20:00:49 -!- mattbrejza [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-27T20:02:02 < Laurenceb> dunno why 2015-01-27T20:03:16 < Tectu> anybody got his zano yet? 2015-01-27T20:03:31 < qyx_> Steffanx: yes 2015-01-27T20:03:47 < qyx_> i am about to try if it actually works 2015-01-27T20:05:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-01-27T20:06:18 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-27T20:07:20 -!- mattbrejza [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T20:22:35 -!- Guest94434 is now known as Smd_ 2015-01-27T20:24:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.29.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T20:31:42 -!- toxxin [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-27T20:32:24 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-27T20:33:55 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-27T20:35:13 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-78-8-134-124.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T20:37:56 < karlp> qyx_: iirc, terry guo said in bugs reported against 4.8 about size regressions vs 4.7 or something that 4.8 was mostly getting in some newer features, and the focus hadn't been on code size, and to stick with 4.7, but promised 4.9 would be to stabilize and restore the size optimizations people had become used to 2015-01-27T20:42:25 < qyx_> mhm 2015-01-27T20:48:36 < qyx_> is it possible to statically initialize const variable so that it appears initialized in the .rodata? 2015-01-27T20:52:23 < jpa-> umm.. yes? 2015-01-27T20:52:39 < jpa-> isn't that pretty much how any static (non-stack) const variable works? 2015-01-27T20:57:57 < qyx_> except that it is not initialized 2015-01-27T20:58:05 < qyx_> it works only for zero 2015-01-27T20:58:36 < qyx_> thing like const uint8_t array[] = {0xff} initializes only the first element 2015-01-27T20:58:51 < qyx_> i mean const uint8_t array[32] = {0xff} for example 2015-01-27T21:00:40 < PaulFertser> That's how C works, you need 32 0xffs there 2015-01-27T21:01:54 < qyx_> apparently there is a way, but probably too specific 2015-01-27T21:01:55 < qyx_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2589749/initialize-array-to-0-in-c 2015-01-27T21:03:42 < PaulFertser> Well, if you're using only gcc anyway... 2015-01-27T21:07:12 < qyx_> ok, this seems to work with warnings 2015-01-27T21:18:04 < Tectu> why not memset() ? 2015-01-27T21:18:14 < Tectu> is that not C-Standard? 2015-01-27T21:19:30 < qyx_> i need it at compiletime 2015-01-27T21:20:46 < Tectu> ah sorry, didn't read the whole thing 2015-01-27T21:20:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T21:24:37 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T21:26:40 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-27T21:26:56 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T21:31:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.58] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T21:32:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.58] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-27T21:33:03 < gxti> doesn't the compiler generate calls to memset sometimes? or just memcpy? 2015-01-27T21:54:33 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@71.192.136.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T21:56:22 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T21:57:50 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:00:06 < bvernoux> have you seen soon a new STM32F0 low cost will have USB 2015-01-27T22:00:17 < bvernoux> seems interesting for ultra low cost product 2015-01-27T22:01:11 < bvernoux> 0.57USD for 10K units 2015-01-27T22:01:55 < bvernoux> it's the price of a 8bits micro without USB and 10x slower and more power consumption ... 2015-01-27T22:06:33 < qyx_> time for more advanced and cheaper usb chip china clones 2015-01-27T22:07:32 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prvkrblyqtjhwnpe] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-27T22:12:38 < RaYmAn> qyx_: with no documentation and crappy code :P 2015-01-27T22:13:02 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-27T22:13:50 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: but you can do software usb on avr! 2015-01-27T22:13:52 < PaulFertser> ;) 2015-01-27T22:14:32 -!- pulsar [c38e60f533@memoryleaks.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-27T22:16:57 -!- pulsar [61aacbcea4@memoryleaks.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:17:53 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-111-245.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-27T22:22:43 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@68.179.124.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-27T22:24:02 < Getty> seriously, C is a good language to learn commenting code..... its the first time i feel the urge to really explain every single number i use 2015-01-27T22:24:55 < Simon--> 0b101010 2015-01-27T22:25:47 < Tectu> buffer->tail=(uint16_t)(*(volatile uint32_t*)(buffer->head)); <--- are you sure that you need volatile there? 2015-01-27T22:26:24 < Tectu> PaulFertser, yes you can, but then good luck flashing more than one LED :P 2015-01-27T22:27:18 -!- esden_ [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:28:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:28:38 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:28:49 -!- stephen_d [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:30:29 -!- aadamson_ [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:32:43 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: aadamson, Vutral, esden, stephendwyer, fergusnoble 2015-01-27T22:32:44 -!- aadamson_ is now known as aadamson 2015-01-27T22:32:45 -!- esden_ is now known as esden 2015-01-27T22:33:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fergusnoble 2015-01-27T22:35:58 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@p5B2A53CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:41:58 < PaulFertser> Tectu: avrasp is a good example of a useful project. Fits 8k iirc. 2015-01-27T22:42:37 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: yes, you probably should make buffer a pointer to a volatile struct rather than simply a pointer to struct. Or do you already have it that way? 2015-01-27T22:44:21 < Laurenceb__> I have now :P 2015-01-27T22:44:56 < Laurenceb__> it seems gcc was optimising the read to the DMA registers as half word accesses until i added volatile 2015-01-27T22:45:02 < Laurenceb__> and that caused bus fault 2015-01-27T22:46:16 < gxti> oic 2015-01-27T22:47:04 < Laurenceb__> works now :D 2015-01-27T22:47:18 < Laurenceb__> should be able to fly this thing once my airspy arrives 2015-01-27T22:49:38 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, working on zano? 2015-01-27T22:49:51 < Laurenceb__> wtf is zano 2015-01-27T22:50:58 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T22:51:49 < Roklobsta> wtf is airspy? 2015-01-27T22:51:56 < Roklobsta> i should know, i have 2! 2015-01-27T22:54:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06f770d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-27T22:55:15 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-27T22:56:11 < Laurenceb__> oh that thing that will never fly 2015-01-27T22:56:25 < Laurenceb__> yo dawg i heard you like pager motors 2015-01-27T22:58:36 < Roklobsta> yeah they got all the money 2015-01-27T22:58:40 < Roklobsta> so who cares now 2015-01-27T22:59:03 < Roklobsta> totally different mentality to airspy. 2015-01-27T22:59:50 < Laurenceb__> creating semi decent mini cameras is serious business 2015-01-27T22:59:54 < Laurenceb__> look at GoPro 2015-01-27T23:00:02 < Laurenceb__> thats no PIC32 2015-01-27T23:00:46 < Roklobsta> PIC32 is MIPS innit? 2015-01-27T23:01:58 < Laurenceb__> yup 2015-01-27T23:02:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-27T23:02:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-27T23:03:13 < Laurenceb__> " the idea for a consumer version of this Nano UAV technology was first raised in October 2013 at the weekly Torquing Group team meeting" 2015-01-27T23:03:14 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-01-27T23:03:37 < Laurenceb__> such drama 2015-01-27T23:04:36 < Roklobsta> The meeting was at the pub on a Friday night. The concept arrived at 2am after much drinking. 2015-01-27T23:04:45 < Laurenceb__> heh 2015-01-27T23:06:04 < Laurenceb__> ZANO's aesthetic is complete 2015-01-27T23:06:13 < Laurenceb__> how do i grammar 2015-01-27T23:06:45 < Roklobsta> well... 1) Marketing Idea 2)? 3) Profit! 2015-01-27T23:08:23 < Roklobsta> v1 won't work as promised, much feigned disappointment by the developers. set up kickstarter for Zano 2 (It'll work fo' shizzle this time version). 2015-01-27T23:21:22 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-27T23:34:19 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-27T23:49:10 < Laurenceb__> so anyone know how to fix this with blackmagic probe? 2015-01-27T23:49:11 < Laurenceb__> Running the default executable on the remote target failed; try "set remote exec-file"? --- Day changed Wed Jan 28 2015 2015-01-28T00:00:22 < ds2> -ENOMAGIC? 2015-01-28T00:02:41 < Laurenceb__> huh? 2015-01-28T00:02:53 < Laurenceb__> there should be command line arguments to gdb? 2015-01-28T00:04:20 < Roklobsta> lots 2015-01-28T00:04:42 < Roklobsta> i just managed to get code::blocks working with gdb 2015-01-28T00:04:48 < Roklobsta> not that it's hard 2015-01-28T00:05:27 < Laurenceb__> hmf wtf 2015-01-28T00:05:32 < Laurenceb__> st-link just works 2015-01-28T00:05:45 < Laurenceb__> once you have gdbinit setup 2015-01-28T00:09:46 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-28T00:11:54 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T00:25:16 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-78-8-134-124.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-28T01:12:49 -!- dekar [~elias@171.216.68.33] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T01:18:14 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-01-28T01:28:33 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-124.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-28T01:54:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-124.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T02:03:01 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T02:04:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-28T02:04:45 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjcnmmfifmalnifl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T02:05:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-220-234.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-28T02:17:44 -!- dekar [~elias@171.216.68.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-28T02:21:20 -!- Cyric_ [~quassel@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-28T02:24:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251206152.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T02:26:34 -!- Cyric [~quassel@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T02:30:03 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-28T02:42:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251206152.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T02:58:46 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T03:12:09 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-28T03:18:11 < dongs> Wouldn't it be awesome to toss the Zano and use some hand gesture that resembles a rectangle for framing and it would focus/center the shot on that? 2015-01-28T03:18:14 < dongs> Will this be a software feature or will it be something not possible with the current hardware setup? 2015-01-28T03:18:25 < dongs> should i ruin his dreams 2015-01-28T03:21:41 < PeterM> dongs anything related to zeno is clearly ruined dreams, i see no reason why not. 2015-01-28T03:23:47 < PeterM> "zano will be lucky to fly, let alone do anything else" 2015-01-28T03:24:02 < dongs> bbbut 2015-01-28T03:24:06 < dongs> they chose the BEST hardware 2015-01-28T03:24:10 < dongs> to future-proof it 2015-01-28T03:24:24 < dongs> to enable future updates via in-app-purchases 2015-01-28T03:24:38 < dongs> maybe flight will be a paid option in the future 2015-01-28T03:25:40 < PeterM> yeah, buy a cx-10 2015-01-28T03:26:00 < PeterM> ora ladybird if you want somethign decent 2015-01-28T03:30:22 -!- dekar [~elias@171.217.61.212] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T03:30:27 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T03:37:15 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ad7ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T03:50:45 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db704ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T04:01:06 < dongs> or CX-30W 2015-01-28T04:01:11 < dongs> which has all the currently claimed features of zano 2015-01-28T04:01:14 < dongs> and actually works 2015-01-28T04:01:22 < dongs> except 5 minute flight time 2015-01-28T04:01:40 < dongs> has toss to launch, crappy video streaming over wifi, 55grams, 700mAh battery, etc 2015-01-28T04:01:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T04:01:51 < dongs> for $70 comes with a RC remote and phone clip for it 2015-01-28T04:03:49 < dongs> It would definitely be possible to let the phone do computer vision and recognize gestures. don't know if zano can do it on board 2015-01-28T04:03:55 < dongs> computer vision at <1fps oh ya 2015-01-28T04:06:40 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T04:13:05 < dekar> that zano surely seems to be an awesome product -.- 2015-01-28T04:13:24 < dongs> no kidding right? such great features 2015-01-28T04:13:32 < dongs> i want a swarm of them in my office 2015-01-28T04:13:50 < dongs> happily buzzing around for 15 minutes at a time, taking stabilized 5mp photos 2015-01-28T04:15:24 < dekar> speaking of crowdfunding, what happened to that guy who was promising carbon nanotube based capacitors as AAA battery replacements that charge in 30s? 2015-01-28T04:15:57 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shawnpwest/30-second-charging-rechargeable-battery 2015-01-28T04:16:00 < dongs> got 20k 2015-01-28T04:16:15 < dongs> top secret update only 2015-01-28T04:16:33 < dongs> Well it seems like the $$ I risked got spent in ways not associated with the project...Zero updates and zero results. Shawn you're a disappointment and a danger to the crowd funding trust levels. 2015-01-28T04:16:38 < dongs> rolf 2015-01-28T04:17:12 < dongs> I was saddened to see the family snap from Shawn on his Facebook page, as it was more evidence of his blatant theft of our trust and money. 2015-01-28T04:17:16 < dongs> oh my 2015-01-28T04:20:35 < dongs> i sure wanna know whats in that topsecret update 2015-01-28T04:20:41 < dongs> i think thats racist they dont let everyone view them 2015-01-28T04:21:11 < dekar> I have to agree with that logic 2015-01-28T04:22:10 < dekar> You should suggest those zano guys to use these batteries :D 2015-01-28T04:23:43 < dongs> great idea 2015-01-28T04:24:48 < Getty> lwip drives me nuts... i have no idea what i do wrong.... after http_sent it doesnt continue sending the rest of the buffer (if i fill it up more or not)... grmbl 2015-01-28T04:27:25 < dongs> lets see if altium pcb lib has a DIP32 600mil i can steal 2015-01-28T04:27:45 < dongs> noooo 2015-01-28T04:27:46 < dongs> damn 2015-01-28T04:28:24 < dongs> they have cerdip 40 and 28 but NOT 32 2015-01-28T04:28:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-28T04:28:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T04:29:52 < dongs> http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/download-model.aspx?catalogid=1023&id=193 yess 2015-01-28T04:30:24 < emeb_mac> how much did altium cost? 2015-01-28T04:33:03 < dongs> To configure or download a supplier certified model, you are required to allow the supplier to contact you. You have currently selected not to be contacted by suppliers. To change this setting, please click below. If you choose not to be contacted, you are still able to download models contributed by other 3D ContentCentral users. 2015-01-28T04:33:08 < dongs> hah, sneaky 2015-01-28T04:33:13 < dongs> emeb_mac: cern lib, not altium vault lib. still don't have that :p 2015-01-28T04:34:13 < emeb_mac> dongs: so you like altium better that diptrace so far? 2015-01-28T04:34:31 < dongs> yeah i totally stopped using dicktrace except for old shit and moving old shit to altium 2015-01-28T04:34:46 < dongs> now each time i have to do something in it it just rages me 2015-01-28T04:34:53 < dongs> everything neesd fucking mouse clicks 2015-01-28T04:35:03 < emeb_mac> true - lotsa clickin 2015-01-28T04:35:27 < emeb_mac> I only use diptrace for stuff I'm doing for clients 2015-01-28T04:36:48 < gxti> not using Real Pro EE software like cadence? 2015-01-28T04:37:24 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-01-28T04:37:29 < emeb_mac> bring $$ 2015-01-28T04:55:39 < ds2> it is not that $$$ 2015-01-28T04:55:48 < ds2> they have offers that makes it a lot more affordable 2015-01-28T05:01:13 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:02:56 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-01-28T05:18:18 < dongs> i think im gonna fire bluetooth dildo customer. last few weeks the only thing I hear is WHY MCU SO EXPENSIVE CANT WE JUST PWM WIHT A 555 TIMER TO SAVE COST?? 2015-01-28T05:18:37 < dongs> (nrf51 is fucking $1.8 or someshit in the retarded small qty he wants to buy it in 2015-01-28T05:18:52 < dongs> (never mind that 555 doesnt have bluetooth either) 2015-01-28T05:19:06 < ds2> isn't there a cheap chinese clone of the nrf51 yet? :D 2015-01-28T05:19:36 < dongs> shit, 1.80 is cheaper than F103, i mean i could just use that shit as a general purpose mcu and ignore BT part and its still a win 2015-01-28T05:19:52 < ds2> that isn't compareable 2015-01-28T05:19:58 < ds2> nRF51 is a M0, F103 is a M3 2015-01-28T05:20:05 < dongs> pfft 2015-01-28T05:20:07 < dongs> 'general purpose' 2015-01-28T05:20:10 < ds2> :D 2015-01-28T05:20:16 < dongs> where you're using 1% cpu for scanning buttons and blinking leds 2015-01-28T05:20:41 < dongs> i mean i have stm32 on boards just to read a button and pwm backlight driver 2015-01-28T05:20:52 < dongs> im sure i can do same shit with some attiny garbage but then i'd have to install arduino 2015-01-28T05:21:06 < ds2> BAH 2015-01-28T05:21:15 < ds2> I used ATTiny26's baremetal 2015-01-28T05:21:36 < ds2> traffic clear, bbl 2015-01-28T05:21:51 < dongs> you also run lunix on F103 2015-01-28T05:21:58 < dongs> so your opinion is instantly invalid 2015-01-28T05:22:07 < dongs> even R2COM would agree 2015-01-28T05:22:39 < dongs> any pro spacex stories to share 2015-01-28T05:22:57 < dongs> i finally got a stoner looking at my video split shit 2015-01-28T05:23:23 < dongs> i even made it super easy, by having 2x ppixel clock on input 2015-01-28T05:23:27 < dongs> and wide hsync 2015-01-28T05:23:47 < dongs> so all he has to do is /2 pixclk and adjust hs timing, and copy shit over line by line 2015-01-28T05:24:12 < dongs> probably easist $1k the dude will ever make 2015-01-28T05:24:24 < PeterM> dongle if thats allyou're doin with the F103then why dont you use a F030 or someshti 2015-01-28T05:24:41 < dongs> PeterM: cuz: no stock, price, availability etc 2015-01-28T05:24:48 < dongs> i have trays upon trays of F103 here 2015-01-28T05:27:11 < dongs> whoa 2015-01-28T05:27:14 < dongs> your latest trollproj? 2015-01-28T05:27:28 < dongs> is that an i2c lcd 2015-01-28T05:27:29 < PeterM> nice straight swdheader 2015-01-28T05:27:34 < dongs> i think i used one of those 2015-01-28T05:27:41 < dongs> from uhhh. those guys who like to spam me 2015-01-28T05:27:43 < dongs> newhaven display 2015-01-28T05:27:59 < dongs> who used to be proudly american and now they're all fucking 'we're closing for china holidays, sorry!!!!!' 2015-01-28T05:28:10 < englishman> is this how stuxnet got put on iranian networks 2015-01-28T05:29:57 < dongs> NHD-C0216CiZ-FN-FBW-3V 2015-01-28T05:30:02 < dongs> this is wat i got from them in 2009 2015-01-28T05:30:03 < dongs> that i2c shit 2015-01-28T05:30:35 < dongs> yours has that extra white shit on teh side tho 2015-01-28T05:30:47 < dongs> http://www.newhavendisplay.com/nhdc0216cizfnfbw3v-p-2301.html haha nonstocked 2015-01-28T05:31:28 < dongs> yeah, cuz they're all chinafail now 2015-01-28T05:31:36 < dongs> no more american quality 2015-01-28T05:32:06 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:36:28 < emeb_mac> German engineering FTW 2015-01-28T05:37:08 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T05:37:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:40:09 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T05:41:09 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:41:42 < dongs> Phil Miasup, See your week in review. 2015-01-28T05:41:43 < dongs> These Tweets helped you make connections, got people excited, and started your friends talking. 2015-01-28T05:42:41 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-28T05:43:33 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:45:22 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:45:45 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T05:46:13 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:46:51 < dongs> R2COM: depends on qty, but yeah, i can do sourcing/assembly of stuff 2015-01-28T05:47:04 < dongs> zyp has done a bunch of boards 2015-01-28T05:47:41 < dongs> i think ds2 got some pcbs made then paid megabux to assemble in california 2015-01-28T05:47:45 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T05:47:47 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@p5B2A53CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-28T05:48:17 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:48:17 < emeb_mac> mouser.com : The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later. 2015-01-28T05:49:03 < dongs> that better not affect their shipping of shit 2015-01-28T05:49:09 < dongs> as i got something on the way from there 2015-01-28T05:49:57 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T05:50:11 < PeterM> probs not, iirc most of mousers stuff is automated 2015-01-28T05:50:12 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T05:50:26 < emeb_mac> backend != frontend 2015-01-28T05:50:26 < GargantuaSauce> and their website isnt? 2015-01-28T05:50:32 < PeterM> nah 2015-01-28T05:50:46 < PeterM> they have guys on the phone yelling onezero one zero at each other 2015-01-28T05:57:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T06:10:59 < dongs> ya no problem just mention on your dickstarter 2015-01-28T06:11:05 < dongs> made in glorious japan 2015-01-28T06:12:00 < dongs> it really depends oin proj 2015-01-28T06:12:37 < englishman> could be as high as ten dollars 2015-01-28T06:12:40 < englishman> few can afford it 2015-01-28T06:12:51 < englishman> stick with arduino 2015-01-28T06:13:01 < PeterM> dongs http://imgur.com/xaFpA1s 2015-01-28T06:13:02 < englishman> lol 2015-01-28T06:13:34 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/nYcqRqU.jpg 2015-01-28T06:13:59 < dongs> min rules are like 5/5 for 2L, 4/4 for 4L 2015-01-28T06:14:23 < dongs> 0.3/0.5mm via std, 0.1 like +30% or something. 2015-01-28T06:14:32 < dongs> 0.254 passes through OK generally 2015-01-28T06:14:50 < dongs> if you're making pro arduino shields this should be no problme 2015-01-28T06:15:32 < GargantuaSauce> just arduino bootloader then 2015-01-28T06:15:44 < dongs> baremetalduino 2015-01-28T06:15:54 < dongs> i was taking a shit yesterday and a had a grand dickstarter idea then i forgot it :( 2015-01-28T06:19:57 < englishman> like launching rocmkets in usa 2015-01-28T06:19:59 < englishman> that should be done in china 2015-01-28T06:20:49 < englishman> using communist parts anyway 2015-01-28T06:21:11 < englishman> they do 2015-01-28T06:21:17 < englishman> might as well keep it communist 2015-01-28T06:21:24 < englishman> no value added by launching in usa 2015-01-28T06:22:54 < PeterM> but RD-180 is filled with murican parts 2015-01-28T06:23:08 < englishman> fuel 2015-01-28T06:23:10 < PeterM> FREEDOM 2015-01-28T06:23:27 < PeterM> the russianshave it all 2015-01-28T06:24:15 < PeterM> yeah it lefct earth with the RD-=180s, thats why there is availability issues with the RD-180 2015-01-28T06:25:06 < PeterM> no RD-180s either 2015-01-28T06:28:59 < PeterM> glorious nippon weather? 2015-01-28T06:34:22 < dongs> no japan fucking sucks 2015-01-28T06:34:43 < emeb_mac> move to Best Korea? 2015-01-28T06:34:50 < dongs> heh hell no 2015-01-28T06:35:18 < emeb_mac> Mother Russia - where everything is better! 2015-01-28T06:35:48 < dongs> you can try cuba for that light touch of communism 2015-01-28T06:35:55 < dongs> or nigeria if you wanna get torched by muslims 2015-01-28T06:37:15 < dongs> move to tax-free alaska 2015-01-28T06:37:23 < dongs> and you get free $2k/year dividend too 2015-01-28T06:37:39 < dongs> theres non-cold places in alaska 2015-01-28T06:37:40 < dongs> anchorage isnt bad 2015-01-28T06:37:49 < dongs> and you can drive to lower48 by car 2015-01-28T06:38:12 < dongs> or juneau, even mroe south i think 2015-01-28T06:38:26 < englishman> non-cold, for 2 months a year 2015-01-28T06:39:23 < dongs> there = alaska? 2015-01-28T06:39:24 < dongs> its retarded 2015-01-28T06:39:29 < dongs> like 10 hours 2015-01-28T06:39:32 < dongs> because airlines are dumb 2015-01-28T06:39:42 < dongs> they fly over anchorage, then land in seattle 2015-01-28T06:39:43 < dongs> doing a curve 2015-01-28T06:39:47 < dongs> then come back up 2015-01-28T06:40:51 < dongs> and get shot down 2015-01-28T06:40:59 < dongs> also, i dont think they sell fuel for that with paypal 2015-01-28T06:41:43 < englishman> when you buy mig-31 on ebay ask for a full tank 2015-01-28T06:41:48 < dongs> lulz 2015-01-28T06:48:03 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-28T06:48:11 < dongs> also you have possibility of getting ISIS'd 2015-01-28T06:48:59 < dongs> attn emeb_mac Good question. The first version we will implement is likely to be a series of tuned filters. Things like band pass filters. This means removing frequencies above or below the band pass range. Typical human voice has fairly limited frequencies and the propeller noise consists of many frequencies well above this human voice range. In this case a low pass filter, such as a FIR (finite impulse response) filter with the correct filter array can remove large 2015-01-28T06:49:06 < dongs> Rapid beating in the recorded noise can also be removed fairly easily much like pop filters used when converting old analogue recordings from vinyl. 2015-01-28T06:49:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: It's just so simple - the magic of FIR filters! 2015-01-28T06:50:04 < dongs> yes 2015-01-28T06:50:14 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-28T06:50:15 < emeb_mac> where's that from? 2015-01-28T06:50:20 < dongs> zano of course 2015-01-28T06:50:32 < dongs> they have a PDM mic onboard 2015-01-28T06:50:38 < emeb_mac> haha 2015-01-28T06:50:46 < englishman> at least he spent a whole five seconds on wikipedia 2015-01-28T06:50:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T06:51:04 < emeb_mac> plenty of propeller noise in the same frequency range as voice 2015-01-28T06:51:26 < emeb_mac> I'm sure it won't 2015-01-28T06:52:11 < dongs> to futureproof it 2015-01-28T06:52:13 < emeb_mac> might work if you had a directional mic, or some sort of array that could also sample just prop noise to subtract. 2015-01-28T06:52:18 < emeb_mac> but that takes some DSP 2015-01-28T06:54:06 < dongs> i thought zanoteam was BS pro 2015-01-28T06:54:17 < emeb_mac> that ^ 2015-01-28T06:55:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PteTeja.png 2015-01-28T06:55:09 < dongs> thjis is from cheerson 2015-01-28T06:55:13 < dongs> whats the voice frequnecy range? 2015-01-28T06:56:06 < dongs> depending on prop loa it would also sometimes stuff shit around all between 800-1200khz 2015-01-28T06:56:10 < dongs> load 2015-01-28T06:56:19 < GargantuaSauce> 300-3300 2015-01-28T06:57:03 < GargantuaSauce> so yeah you cant just use a notch filter unless you track it to the speed of the props or something 2015-01-28T06:57:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T06:57:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-28T06:57:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T06:58:21 < GargantuaSauce> and even then it would sound pretty wonky as the dominant prop noise crossed any of the voice formants 2015-01-28T06:58:38 < dongs> but bro 2015-01-28T06:58:50 < dongs> we will however utilise experts in DSP and audio technology to work on the noise cancelling algorithm which will be released as a free update to everyone. 2015-01-28T06:58:57 < dongs> !!! 2015-01-28T06:59:29 < GargantuaSauce> if only you could buy a magic wand for $1M 2015-01-28T06:59:31 < dongs> dorkqing technology 2015-01-28T07:00:04 < GargantuaSauce> i hope you're maintaining a full list of strictly untenable features 2015-01-28T07:00:21 < GargantuaSauce> wait they are doing it for you i guess...the ks page 2015-01-28T07:01:35 < PeterM> they say "yes" to all the features because they're just waiting long enoug hto take the money and run, they dont care 2015-01-28T07:01:38 < dongs> yes 2015-01-28T07:01:40 < dongs> haha 2015-01-28T07:02:38 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T07:02:46 < dongs> if dickstarter shuts them off i guess it's gonna be one hell of a stink with refunds and shit 2015-01-28T07:02:51 < dongs> no, UK 2015-01-28T07:02:54 < dongs> "team" 2015-01-28T07:03:28 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T07:03:45 < chickensk> dongs, send me a link to their campaign please 2015-01-28T07:03:57 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone?ref=category 2015-01-28T07:04:09 < dongs> also, swarming 2015-01-28T07:04:15 < dongs> with wifi 2015-01-28T07:04:17 < dongs> lolz 2015-01-28T07:04:30 < dongs> 2.3 million gbp 2015-01-28T07:04:36 < dongs> its over, liek 2 weeks ago 2015-01-28T07:04:40 < dongs> so that number isnt getting better 2015-01-28T07:04:52 < dongs> and i think they're going to receive the cash ~soon 2015-01-28T07:04:54 < dongs> if not already 2015-01-28T07:05:55 < PeterM> i thought 30 days was standart 2015-01-28T07:06:00 < chickensk> and what is the problem there? 2015-01-28T07:06:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-28T07:06:15 < chickensk> PeterM, you can choose how long 2015-01-28T07:06:16 < dongs> PeterM: you can set any number of days 2015-01-28T07:06:23 < dongs> you can make it as short as like 10 days 2015-01-28T07:06:25 < PeterM> ahh 2015-01-28T07:06:28 < dongs> i think up to 90 or something? 2015-01-28T07:06:34 < dongs> ive seen stuff 60 days for sure 2015-01-28T07:06:38 < chickensk> dongs, 60 i think 2015-01-28T07:11:25 < englishman> on indiegogo you can have Forever Funding 2015-01-28T07:16:02 < chickensk> englishman, is that true that indiegogo is invisible on US market? kickstarter has so big name ther 2015-01-28T07:16:21 < englishman> kickstarter is bigger no doubt 2015-01-28T07:16:28 < englishman> indiegogo is somehow even more scammy 2015-01-28T07:16:30 < dongs> indiegogo is very well known for scams 2015-01-28T07:16:31 < dongs> yes 2015-01-28T07:16:37 < dongs> mainly due to "flexible funding" shit 2015-01-28T07:16:39 < englishman> but indiegogo is actually older 2015-01-28T07:16:49 < dongs> you pay more fees, but you get to keep the cash even if you dont reach your "goal" 2015-01-28T07:17:00 < englishman> after kickstarter success, copied kickstarter page and became successful 2015-01-28T07:19:03 < chickensk> englishman, dongs so you think it is a good idea to go kickstarter for music product 2015-01-28T07:19:27 < englishman> ooh is it some audiophile grade shit 2015-01-28T07:19:43 < chickensk> englishman, no, its a digital synthesizer 2015-01-28T07:20:35 < englishman> why not both 2015-01-28T07:20:41 < englishman> push whichever one takes off first 2015-01-28T07:24:08 < chickensk> interesting ide 2015-01-28T07:24:09 < chickensk> a 2015-01-28T07:24:44 < chickensk> but the problem is, then when people maybe divide into two groups, there will be more problem in reaching the goal 2015-01-28T07:24:46 < emeb_mac> what kind of synth? 2015-01-28T07:25:36 < chickensk> emeb_mac, digital hardware box with no keyboards, usb host, symmetrical audio outputs etc :] 2015-01-28T07:26:01 < emeb_mac> what's the price goal? 2015-01-28T07:26:44 < chickensk> normal msrp price will be 500eur, on kickstarter (or elsewhere) it should be from 340eur and up 2015-01-28T07:27:11 < dongs> what does it do that doesnt 2015-01-28T07:27:46 < chickensk> goal is around 50k eur to build 200pcs 2015-01-28T07:27:58 < emeb_mac> so what's the advantage of this vs something like the dsi morpho, or any of the other cheap synths you can buy from any music store? 2015-01-28T07:28:17 < PeterM> feels like its made from melted down soda cans, this one doesnt 2015-01-28T07:28:28 < dongs> them feels 2015-01-28T07:28:41 < chickensk> it sounds awesome, has new synthesis you can not find anywhere on the market, will be open source and open hardware 2015-01-28T07:28:43 < PeterM> the feels suit the market 2015-01-28T07:28:44 < dongs> how about soundstage , is it gaping like hello.jpg 2015-01-28T07:28:51 < dongs> bzzzty 2015-01-28T07:28:55 < dongs> opensauce+openhardware 2015-01-28T07:29:00 < dongs> you might as well just publish shit online 2015-01-28T07:29:03 < PeterM> nah its mroe of a colourful tubgirl.jpg 2015-01-28T07:29:03 < emeb_mac> chickensk: interesting 2015-01-28T07:29:06 < dongs> on homepages.yahoo.com 2015-01-28T07:29:10 < dongs> and call it done 2015-01-28T07:29:26 < dongs> chickensk = R2COM? or wat 2015-01-28T07:29:37 < chickensk> dongs, what is that? 2015-01-28T07:29:53 < dongs> oh no nothing, i thought you were R2COM's phone cilent or something 2015-01-28T07:30:01 < dongs> cuz you joined and asked for zano dickstarter 2015-01-28T07:30:32 < emeb_mac> chickensk: synths are really a crowded market these days - some of my clients were just at NAMM and there are so many folks selling stuff now. It will be interesting to see how well you can do. 2015-01-28T07:30:38 < chickensk> dongs, no i am just interested in campaigns as we will have to do one ourselves 2015-01-28T07:31:03 < PeterM> dongs, sounds like a trolling R2COM 2015-01-28T07:31:09 < chickensk> emeb_mac, yes I know :] thanks. 2015-01-28T07:32:51 < emeb_mac> chickensk: one of the things we've found is that "open source - program it yourself" basically boils down to people buying things who have no idea how to program - then they sit around and wait for someone to program new stuff for them 2015-01-28T07:33:03 < emeb_mac> and are disappointed when it doesn't happen 2015-01-28T07:34:13 < chickensk> emeb_mac, this is not the case. it is normal synth, that has its code, that is tuned to get most interesting and variable results like any other normal digital. just it is open source, that means you can adjust even the parameters that are not accessible, or you can reprogramm it if you want to use it just as a HW devkit 2015-01-28T07:34:14 < englishman> well the trouble with projects like that is they charge a price similar to shit that is complete, when its incomplete 2015-01-28T07:34:29 < englishman> so you pay 500eur for nonworking shit and you have to program it yourself? 2015-01-28T07:35:02 < chickensk> no. englishman this it how it will sound like, one of many possible sounds, we just do not have many more videos yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dWhEc84ndg 2015-01-28T07:35:02 < englishman> where $highprice for shit that is complete, but opensource (like zano) is different story 2015-01-28T07:35:12 < emeb_mac> if it's functional from day 1 then that's not a problem 2015-01-28T07:35:48 < englishman> i dont get it 2015-01-28T07:35:56 < englishman> sounds like super mario 2015-01-28T07:37:00 < chickensk> englishman, it has sounds that are harmonically rich if you set them to be. normal square is also possible if somebody wants that. 2015-01-28T07:37:05 < dongs> wait is that f4disco 2015-01-28T07:37:10 < dongs> why is it 500 eur 2015-01-28T07:37:23 < englishman> i knew it had to be audiophile quality 2015-01-28T07:37:24 < chickensk> dongs, that is disco, because the hardware is now in the development process. 2015-01-28T07:37:40 < dongs> yes, i mean, so the synth hardware = F4? 2015-01-28T07:37:45 < dongs> or is that just used for trolling 2015-01-28T07:37:48 < dongs> and theres otehr shit elseweher 2015-01-28T07:37:51 < emeb_mac> chickensk: how does it compare to this -> http://axoloti.be/ 2015-01-28T07:38:04 < emeb_mac> also open source, also runs on STM32F4 2015-01-28T07:38:13 < chickensk> dongs, F4 is the main chip, then there will be two more F0s probably for controllers. 2015-01-28T07:38:25 < emeb_mac> has a nice front-end w/ graphic algorithms 2015-01-28T07:39:25 < chickensk> axoloti doesn't have usb host, only device, no CVs and you have to programm it before playing. 2015-01-28T07:40:28 < dongs> chickensk: so i can plugin my prokeys88 into it? 2015-01-28T07:41:03 < emeb_mac> if you've got USB MIDI device then USB MIDI host is pretty easy to support 2015-01-28T07:41:04 < chickensk> dongs, yes, anything that has usb midi 2015-01-28T07:41:32 < emeb_mac> I've got a product in development that does both 2015-01-28T07:41:37 < dongs> axoloti looks pretty cool but I see python and github and shit, ugh 2015-01-28T07:41:46 < dongs> -> page closed 2015-01-28T07:41:49 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-01-28T07:41:53 < chickensk> emeb_mac, cool, any info on that ? 2015-01-28T07:42:05 < dongs> chickensk: emeb_mac worksr on top secret NDA projects 2015-01-28T07:42:14 < dongs> that are tightly closed sores 2015-01-28T07:42:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: haha 2015-01-28T07:42:31 < chickensk> :d 2015-01-28T07:43:15 < emeb_mac> chickensk: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/synthesis-technology-e620-midi-usb-host-device 2015-01-28T07:43:45 < dongs> i hope youre not making that in GEDA 2015-01-28T07:43:57 < emeb_mac> dongs: nah - diptrace 2015-01-28T07:44:01 < dongs> nice ^ 2015-01-28T07:44:21 < englishman> muffwiggler.com 2015-01-28T07:44:22 < chickensk> nice 2015-01-28T07:44:23 < englishman> awesome 2015-01-28T07:44:36 < emeb_mac> I'm mainly doing the firmware - client does most of the hardware. 2015-01-28T07:45:34 < chickensk> I use geda, what is the problem with that 2015-01-28T07:45:35 < chickensk> > 2015-01-28T07:46:01 < chickensk> I do hardware, a friend of mine program USB stuff. 2015-01-28T07:46:04 < emeb_mac> chickensk: I use gEDA/PCB for personal projects. Nothing wrong with it. 2015-01-28T07:46:22 < dongs> chickensk: nothing much, other than its barely usable for any serious work 2015-01-28T07:46:28 < emeb_mac> dongs just likes to razz folks who use FOSS 2015-01-28T07:46:39 < dongs> i mean if bashing your head against the wall is your thing, then geda is perfect 2015-01-28T07:46:44 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-01-28T07:46:49 < dongs> i prefer not to spend 5 hours a day entering footprints in vi 2015-01-28T07:46:55 < dongs> using perl and python scripts 2015-01-28T07:47:40 < chickensk> i do it in pcb directly, works 2015-01-28T07:48:02 < emeb_mac> chickensk: done with gEDA -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32f4_codec_v2/index.html 2015-01-28T07:48:16 < dongs> who wtf 2015-01-28T07:48:19 < dongs> you upgraded that thing a big 2015-01-28T07:48:22 < dongs> er a bit 2015-01-28T07:48:24 < dongs> since last time i see nit 2015-01-28T07:49:14 < GargantuaSauce> emeb_mac do you have video of you messing around with that and related projects? 2015-01-28T07:49:21 < emeb_mac> ya - put some real connectors on that won't rip off, added some pots, encoder, and display. 2015-01-28T07:49:49 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: not really 2015-01-28T07:49:58 < chickensk> emeb_mac, looks nice the pcb 2015-01-28T07:50:05 < emeb_mac> chickensk: thx 2015-01-28T07:50:06 < GargantuaSauce> :( 2015-01-28T07:50:36 < emeb_mac> I've got a whole lot of test code to check out the various features on the board 2015-01-28T07:50:54 < emeb_mac> but haven't put it all together into something that works as a synth or effect yet. 2015-01-28T07:51:33 < GargantuaSauce> the other synth stuff then? didnt realize you were so into it 2015-01-28T07:51:56 < GargantuaSauce> I wanna stalk your youtubes 2015-01-28T07:52:02 < emeb_mac> ya - go up a level on that site. has some of the commercial stuff I did. 2015-01-28T07:52:03 < chickensk> we started with the synth code, and then adjusted the controller layout to that, and all of the hardware, so we are now short on photos of HW but have some demos 2015-01-28T07:53:23 < emeb_mac> that works 2015-01-28T07:54:56 < chickensk> btw I have a problem with SPI here... doesn't seem to send what it is supposed to but works somehow. 2015-01-28T07:55:48 < chickensk> code http://bit.ly/1Lg6a6C analyzer http://bit.ly/1CxdqHi 2015-01-28T07:56:22 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-28T07:56:25 < chickensk> code http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01282015-061707am.php analyzer http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01282015-062257am.php 2015-01-28T07:57:42 < dongs> wat the hell is zimamegz. you never herad of imgur?? 2015-01-28T07:57:57 < emeb_mac> 2nd A5 should be F0? 2015-01-28T07:58:07 < chickensk> zimagez is some french site connected with xfce screenshooter 2015-01-28T07:58:14 < chickensk> emeb_mac, yes 2015-01-28T07:58:16 < dongs> ah, lunix 2015-01-28T07:58:31 < chickensk> dongs, works :D 2015-01-28T07:58:31 < englishman> pouletsk? 2015-01-28T07:58:36 < dongs> that code looks terrible 2015-01-28T07:58:40 < dongs> for many reasons 2015-01-28T07:59:03 < chickensk> dongs, possible, I just started with STM32 two days ago 2015-01-28T07:59:09 < emeb_mac> a lot depends on what's going on in the spi_send() routine 2015-01-28T08:00:06 < chickensk> emeb_mac, i copied this from F3 libopencm3 example and I am using F4DISCO, so I had to adjust some functions that were different 2015-01-28T08:00:43 < dongs> chickensk: my expert evaluation of hte project would not recommend you to dickstart it, or if you do, nowhere near 300-500eur 2015-01-28T08:02:14 < chickensk> dongs, it is really not ready yet and there is no other solution for financing this kind. 2015-01-28T08:02:17 < ds2> gEDA...yuck 2015-01-28T08:02:24 < chickensk> emeb_mac, this is the setup http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01282015-070059am.php 2015-01-28T08:02:33 < ds2> do you want to do cad maintence or do you want to do a design? 2015-01-28T08:02:53 < englishman> dongs: why not, he mas more done than zano did, theres actual code thats been typed 2015-01-28T08:02:57 < chickensk> emeb_mac, only thing i did not managed to exchange for other function is fifo_reception_threshold 2015-01-28T08:02:58 < englishman> clearly a $5m project 2015-01-28T08:03:03 < dongs> englishman: wahts the total height of male 2 pin machine header 2015-01-28T08:03:05 < dongs> like 12mm? 2015-01-28T08:03:13 < englishman> no, less 2015-01-28T08:03:16 < dongs> do tell 2015-01-28T08:03:20 < englishman> since it fits between 2 boards with 10mm standoffs 2015-01-28T08:03:34 < englishman> oh 2015-01-28T08:03:37 < englishman> just the male? 2015-01-28T08:03:40 < dongs> yes 2015-01-28T08:03:43 < englishman> 1sec 2015-01-28T08:03:50 < dongs> the --<|>-- thing 2015-01-28T08:04:05 < chickensk> dongs, male header 2.54mm is 10mm high 2015-01-28T08:04:23 < dongs> chickensk: we're discussing a proj he has parts for, it is something else 2015-01-28T08:04:32 < chickensk> dongs, ok 2015-01-28T08:04:41 < englishman> about 12mm yes 2015-01-28T08:05:05 < dongs> kk 2015-01-28T08:17:45 < dongs> I bought a Snap-on planishing hammer, the head broke, snap-on man refused to replace it on the grounds that I'd been hitting something with it 2015-01-28T08:18:41 < englishman> fucking snap-off 2015-01-28T08:20:33 < dongs> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-all-female-ghostbusters-cast-767610 wuat 2015-01-28T08:22:57 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T08:25:25 < dongs> englishman: osdoge parts shipped 2015-01-28T08:25:30 < englishman> thx 2015-01-28T08:27:19 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-28T08:38:00 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2ZOTOVCUAApADq.jpg:large 2015-01-28T08:41:15 < emeb_mac> nice engrish there 2015-01-28T08:44:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T08:45:57 < talsit> hey, dongs, what RF probes do you use? 2015-01-28T08:48:39 < dongs> for EMI shit? 2015-01-28T08:48:46 < dongs> some garbage that came with my old spectrum analyzer 2015-01-28T08:49:25 < dongs> http://www.ets-lindgren.com/pdf/7405.pdf 2015-01-28T08:49:26 < dongs> this 2015-01-28T08:50:18 < talsit> know of any local suppliers of this type of stuff? 2015-01-28T08:56:05 < dongs> hmm nope 2015-01-28T08:56:11 < dongs> i just scammed it from usa with paypal 2015-01-28T08:56:15 < dongs> what do oyu need htem for? 2015-01-28T08:56:20 < talsit> EMI shit 2015-01-28T08:56:45 < dongs> i think you can just stick a wire into shit and wave it around 2015-01-28T08:57:00 < talsit> not likely for what we're doing 2015-01-28T08:58:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T08:59:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T09:01:03 < talsit> thanks anyway 2015-01-28T09:03:58 < dongs> sry ^_^ 2015-01-28T09:09:00 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T09:29:05 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-28T09:38:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-28T09:40:05 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T10:04:41 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T10:05:44 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 2015-01-28T10:06:07 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-28T10:28:13 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T10:46:31 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T10:46:50 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English 2015-01-28T10:51:39 < dongs> http://www.tek.com/spectrum-analyzer/rsa306 heh 2015-01-28T10:51:47 < dongs> $4k SDR with 40mhz wide channel 2015-01-28T10:51:57 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T10:53:56 < qyx_> whot he hell uses fflash in 2015 2015-01-28T10:54:20 < dongs> hater 2015-01-28T10:59:16 < Roklobsta> i checked earlier today, youtube still uses it 2015-01-28T10:59:23 < Roklobsta> in spite of saying they do't 2015-01-28T10:59:25 < Roklobsta> do not 2015-01-28T10:59:47 < qyx_> no problem with youtube 2015-01-28T10:59:53 < qyx_> i do not have flash and everything works 2015-01-28T10:59:57 < Roklobsta> oh 2015-01-28T11:00:07 < Roklobsta> i just right clicked on the video and it's still flash 2015-01-28T11:00:11 < Roklobsta> i was hoping it'd be html5 2015-01-28T11:00:25 < qyx_> maybe it uses it if it is available 2015-01-28T11:05:12 < ReadError> youtubes html5 stuff sucks 2015-01-28T11:05:19 < ReadError> or did 6months ago when i enabled it 2015-01-28T11:06:14 < dongs> The STM32F091 comes with up to eight USARTs in various 48- to 100-pin packages, including low-thickness WLCSP and BGA variants. 2015-01-28T11:06:18 < dongs> sweet 2015-01-28T11:06:31 < dongs> oo 2015-01-28T11:06:35 < dongs> watchout emeb 2015-01-28T11:06:36 < dongs> Audio features on STM32F4 devices target a large range of audio accessories through a comprehensive set of high-quality post-processing algorithms, all based on ST expertize: sample rate converter, smart volume control (increase volume with no saturation), custom filters such as medium-high/loudness, bass manager (emulate 2.1 with 2.0 speaker system), multi-band graphics equalizer, stereo widening, and dialog clarity enhancer. By releasing the STM32-AUDIO100A softwar 2015-01-28T11:11:26 < jpa-> stm32 will make your cheap speakers into subwoofers! 2015-01-28T11:11:35 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-28T11:15:11 < dongs> spread that soundstage wide 2015-01-28T11:17:49 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T11:18:42 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m65rAfsjllw 2015-01-28T11:21:02 < dongs> now that's a pro synth 2015-01-28T11:21:09 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-28T11:21:24 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T11:33:29 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-28T11:33:44 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T11:43:17 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T11:46:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251207011.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T11:54:01 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251210062.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T11:54:17 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251207011.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-28T12:01:38 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.33.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-28T12:05:15 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@KD182251210062.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T12:11:13 -!- dekar [~elias@171.217.61.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-28T12:13:35 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.94.124] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T12:22:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T12:23:42 -!- dekar [~elias@171.216.69.156] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T12:26:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.137.238] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T12:26:19 < dongs> wat the fuck is the molex part# for the common 2.54mm shrouded single row stuff that looks like JST-XH etc 2015-01-28T12:26:31 < dongs> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1069444848/Wafer-Connector.jpg 2015-01-28T12:26:35 < dongs> chinks call it 'wafer connector' 2015-01-28T12:30:43 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T12:34:12 < Laurenceb> is gxti "partially stapled" ? 2015-01-28T12:34:18 < dongs> i think so 2015-01-28T12:34:24 < dongs> did you end up stealing some code from him? 2015-01-28T12:41:23 < Laurenceb> just a blackmagic 2015-01-28T12:41:28 < Laurenceb> that doesnt work lol 2015-01-28T12:49:23 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:08:49 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-28T13:09:43 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.144.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:23:09 < dekar> speaking of blackmagic, does anyone know where to find a 64bit windows driver for those? 2015-01-28T13:23:42 < dongs> they still ahvent paid to get it signed? 2015-01-28T13:23:55 < dongs> i suppose i could sign for you 2015-01-28T13:24:00 < dongs> if you put the driver .zip somewhere 2015-01-28T13:24:07 < dongs> or link to it 2015-01-28T13:24:17 < PaulFertser> Doesn't windows come with CDC-ACM drivers already? 2015-01-28T13:24:29 < dekar> I don't know, all I know is that my Chinese software developers are unable to find one that works - They wanted to use Windows 2015-01-28T13:24:53 < dongs> PaulFertser: unsigned drivers (typical of filthy opensores developers) are not installed on windows 2015-01-28T13:24:55 < zyp> it does, it just needs an inf-file to tell windows to load it 2015-01-28T13:24:58 < PaulFertser> BMP has an .inf file that basically tells windows to use the driver it already has, what needs to be signed there? 2015-01-28T13:25:04 < dekar> PaulFertser, the zip on the homepage only installs on 32bit, I don't know the details 2015-01-28T13:25:05 < dongs> PaulFertser: the inf 2015-01-28T13:25:05 < PaulFertser> dongs: come on! 2015-01-28T13:25:10 < PaulFertser> inf is not a driver 2015-01-28T13:25:16 < dongs> PaulFertser: it can install code 2015-01-28T13:25:24 < dongs> there are load/install/etc sections 2015-01-28T13:25:28 < dongs> that can call thigns in dll 2015-01-28T13:25:35 < PaulFertser> dongs: wth windows doesn't just bind its cdc-acm driver to whatever is attached if the usb descriptor says so? 2015-01-28T13:25:42 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.144.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-28T13:25:44 < zyp> no 2015-01-28T13:26:10 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:26:16 < dekar> dongs, so the inf has to be signed? 2015-01-28T13:26:31 < zyp> I think only HID and mass storage are recognized by class on windows 2015-01-28T13:26:33 < dongs> dekar: well, a .cat needs to be made out of .inf and the .cat signed 2015-01-28T13:26:33 < dongs> but yes 2015-01-28T13:26:41 < dongs> zyp: and usb audio 2015-01-28T13:26:52 < PaulFertser> How professional 2015-01-28T13:26:53 < zyp> ah, yes, and video 2015-01-28T13:27:01 < dongs> only proper video 2015-01-28T13:27:08 < dongs> too many vendors doing thier own aidsy s hit 2015-01-28T13:27:11 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-28T13:27:25 < dongs> PaulFertser: very professional, unsigned code = shit 2015-01-28T13:27:33 < dongs> generally even isntallers + shit should be signed 2015-01-28T13:27:50 < zyp> heh 2015-01-28T13:27:52 < PaulFertser> dongs: why not just run signed code for ACM devices when the class matches? 2015-01-28T13:28:03 < dongs> PaulFertser: its not important enough to OS functionality 2015-01-28T13:28:09 < dongs> it is a niche device class 2015-01-28T13:28:19 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-28T13:28:27 < PaulFertser> It's not. Just about few years ago ever fucking cellphone exposed one. 2015-01-28T13:28:36 < dongs> mas sstorage or usb audio on the other hand 2015-01-28T13:28:44 < dongs> PaulFertser: and they no longer do, 2015-01-28T13:28:47 < dongs> see the point? 2015-01-28T13:29:01 < PaulFertser> lol 2015-01-28T13:29:22 < dekar> dongs, well if signing is the problem it would be awesome if you could sign it: http://www.blacksphere.co.nz/downloads/bmp_driver_20130819.zip 2015-01-28T13:29:42 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:29:42 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-28T13:29:42 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:30:08 < zyp> isn't signing kinda useless if you can sign anything? 2015-01-28T13:30:41 < dekar> zyp, you need to sign up with m$ for that, once you abuse it they'll revoke your signatures 2015-01-28T13:30:42 < zyp> if it's that easy to sign stuff, what prevents people from signing malicious code? 2015-01-28T13:31:12 < akaWolf> zyp: you are not understand signing.. 2015-01-28T13:31:46 < zyp> how about the guy that signed a driver for usb vid:pid 1234:5678 and put it into windows update? 2015-01-28T13:31:53 < akaWolf> you can sign anything by your certificate 2015-01-28T13:32:03 < qyx_> and what then 2015-01-28T13:32:15 < zyp> akaWolf, thank you, I know how PKI works 2015-01-28T13:32:54 < akaWolf> well, why you are said that.. 2015-01-28T13:32:58 < akaWolf> 14:30:08 < zyp>| isn't signing kinda useless if you can sign anything? 2015-01-28T13:33:11 < akaWolf> answer is: ofcouse not! 2015-01-28T13:33:28 < qyx_> because it is 2015-01-28T13:33:29 < jpa-> zyp: signing does not prevent malicious code, it just means that you have someone to blame :) 2015-01-28T13:33:30 < dekar> akaWolf, zyp has a point, I mean there have been several cases of viruses being signed with stolen certificates 2015-01-28T13:33:46 < qyx_> why is https useless? 2015-01-28T13:33:53 < qyx_> because anyone can buy a cert 2015-01-28T13:34:04 < zyp> heh 2015-01-28T13:34:06 < akaWolf> qyx_: it's not useless 2015-01-28T13:34:12 < qyx_> you are relying on trusted third party to verify you 2015-01-28T13:34:13 < zyp> https is useful even with self-signed certs 2015-01-28T13:34:17 < qyx_> yep 2015-01-28T13:34:20 < qyx_> i mean 2015-01-28T13:34:21 < akaWolf> this certificate only valid for your domain 2015-01-28T13:34:24 < qyx_> you know what i mean 2015-01-28T13:34:27 < zyp> but not for verification 2015-01-28T13:34:33 < qyx_> i mean zyp knows what do i mean 2015-01-28T13:35:17 < qyx_> akaWolf: again, not totally true 2015-01-28T13:35:40 < akaWolf> qyx_: examples? 2015-01-28T13:35:46 < qyx_> or better, yes, it is, but the domein check is performed by a trusted 3rd party 2015-01-28T13:35:51 < akaWolf> yep 2015-01-28T13:35:55 < akaWolf> it's so 2015-01-28T13:36:04 < qyx_> if it fails to check your validity and signs what it shouldnt 2015-01-28T13:36:14 < zyp> I just don't see the value of signed windows drivers when pretty much anybody can sign shit 2015-01-28T13:36:39 < qyx_> and the basic rule for good life is don't trust anyone 2015-01-28T13:37:17 < dongs> what hte fucking fuck 2015-01-28T13:37:21 < dongs> their inf is so broekn 2015-01-28T13:37:21 < dekar> on the other hand I don't see why USB drivers reside inside the kernel on windows to begin with 2015-01-28T13:37:31 < dongs> they have a local copy of usbser.syus for win x86 only 2015-01-28T13:37:32 < dongs> wtfff 2015-01-28T13:37:49 < dekar> that could be the problem :D 2015-01-28T13:40:21 < dekar> dongs, do you think replacing usbser.sys with the 64bit version would be enough, or does it still need to be signed? I really haven't used windows much in years. 2015-01-28T13:40:34 < dongs> no 2015-01-28T13:40:39 < dongs> im fixing the inf hold on 2015-01-28T13:40:44 < dekar> okay, thanks 2015-01-28T13:41:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:45:11 < akaWolf> zyp: jpa- said main point of.. 2015-01-28T13:45:24 < dongs> god damn how could they fuck it up so bad 2015-01-28T13:45:53 < dekar> dongs, "Taken from Linux documentation, modified for Black Magic debug probe" 2015-01-28T13:46:11 < Laurenceb> at least it kind of works 2015-01-28T13:46:16 -!- bezoka [~AndChat44@213.158.222.70] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:46:22 < dongs> dekar: right 2015-01-28T13:46:23 < zyp> dongs, what are you talking about anyway? 2015-01-28T13:46:27 < dongs> broken there too 2015-01-28T13:46:28 < Laurenceb> mine fails when I "run" 2015-01-28T13:46:30 < dongs> zyp, bmp inf is fucked 2015-01-28T13:46:54 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:47:00 < zyp> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/blob/master/driver/blackmagic.inf <- this one? 2015-01-28T13:48:28 < dongs> ues 2015-01-28T13:48:50 < dongs> uesk fixed 2015-01-28T13:50:42 < dongs> dekar: ^ see /notice 2015-01-28T13:51:11 < dongs> the way that .inf is written it won't ev en *try*( installong on64bit shit even if you disable signing 2015-01-28T13:51:14 < dongs> its just broken 2015-01-28T13:51:27 < dongs> it has wrong shit in 64bit sections 2015-01-28T13:54:05 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T13:55:42 < dekar> thanks, I'll have them try it 2015-01-28T13:57:12 < Tectu> dong, Laurenceb builds zano 2015-01-28T13:57:26 < Laurenceb> trollin 2015-01-28T13:58:25 < Steffanx> would be funny though, lying on your kickstarter page just to troll dongs 2015-01-28T13:58:43 < Steffanx> and come with a totally superior platform without all the issues 2015-01-28T13:58:44 < _Sync_> did somebody try out the usb host stuff on the F4? 2015-01-28T13:59:37 < Steffanx> only with some pre-build image by someone else, that doesnt could i guess? 2015-01-28T14:01:32 -!- bezoka [~AndChat44@213.158.222.70] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-01-28T14:02:05 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-28T14:10:15 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T14:19:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94443 2015-01-28T14:20:00 < Laurenceb> rofl 2015-01-28T14:23:27 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T14:23:27 -!- stephen_d [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T14:23:27 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T14:25:09 < _Sync_> de fuk Laurenceb 2015-01-28T14:25:43 < Laurenceb> they went full retard 2015-01-28T14:29:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjcnmmfifmalnifl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-28T14:30:08 < _Sync_> indeed 2015-01-28T14:33:25 < dekar> being in China I have this newfound appreciation for rain: it changed the air quality from "Very Unhealthy" right below "Hazardous" to "Moderate" in just a few hours. 2015-01-28T14:33:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T14:34:03 < Steffanx> too bad that doesnt apply to germany, or are you still in china? 2015-01-28T14:34:15 < dekar> I'm again in China :/ 2015-01-28T14:34:42 < dekar> I'll probably be here every second month for the whole year 2015-01-28T14:34:58 < Steffanx> Business is going well i guess 2015-01-28T14:35:20 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-28T14:43:09 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/W4HWr9g.jpg 2015-01-28T14:43:31 < Roklobsta> dekar: what's the business? 2015-01-28T14:45:51 < dekar> Roklobsta, optical network equipment, it's a cooperation between our German and a Chinese company 2015-01-28T14:47:14 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screenshot_2015-01-27-23-22-55.png 2015-01-28T14:53:50 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crhuhmqknzozwbyb] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:10:20 < kakeman> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZUtyakp4eTlnWHc/edit?usp=docslist_api 2015-01-28T15:13:30 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:18:09 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-28T15:26:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T15:32:42 < dongs> dekar: china sounds like aids 2015-01-28T15:38:20 -!- SIR2 [~SIR@2001:6f8:900:8e8e:218:31ff:fe8d:f7cb] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:38:52 < akaWolf> dongs: new empire! 2015-01-28T15:39:16 < SIR2> hello! :) 2015-01-28T15:41:37 < SIR2> can't install stm32vldiscovery with win8 because board isn't listed in "other devices" or "ports" 2015-01-28T15:41:50 < SIR2> any idea how to go on? 2015-01-28T15:43:41 < dongs> what is there to "install"? 2015-01-28T15:43:44 < dongs> you mean STLink? 2015-01-28T15:43:48 < SIR2> yes 2015-01-28T15:43:59 < dongs> its e ither auto-installed or its a HID device 2015-01-28T15:44:02 < dongs> i forgot which. 2015-01-28T15:44:04 < dongs> there's nothign to install 2015-01-28T15:44:10 < SIR2> i tried to add the port manually but then it couldnt be started 2015-01-28T15:44:15 < dongs> there's no port 2015-01-28T15:44:18 < qyx_> which port 2015-01-28T15:44:41 < SIR2> ok. i have a removable device at the moment 2015-01-28T15:44:51 < dongs> yeah, thats just usual stlink spam 2015-01-28T15:44:57 < dongs> it adds a fake virtualcd with a link to st.com 2015-01-28T15:45:01 < SIR2> (don't know exactly the name because i have german windows) 2015-01-28T15:45:14 < SIR2> yes 2015-01-28T15:45:19 < dongs> its probably alread ytinstalled, just load st-util and start using it 2015-01-28T15:45:39 < dongs> or stm32-util or whtever teh fuck ST's tool is called 2015-01-28T15:45:50 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF258168 2015-01-28T15:45:51 < dongs> this 2015-01-28T15:46:49 < SIR2> thx. i downloaded stsw-stm32102 2015-01-28T15:47:01 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:47:04 < SIR2> vcp v1.4 2015-01-28T15:48:06 < dongs> why dont you download what youre being told to download instead 2015-01-28T15:48:13 < dongs> or you can stop asking for help if you arent going to listen 2015-01-28T15:48:45 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:48:46 < PeterM> yeah, does dongs have to get his bat out and go for a walk over there? 2015-01-28T15:48:49 < SIR2> that was before you told... 2015-01-28T15:48:59 * PeterM rolls eyes 2015-01-28T15:49:09 < qyx_> lol eyes 2015-01-28T15:49:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-28T15:51:30 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:52:27 < SIR2> thank you. stlink-software recognizes the device now and says the firmware is old. visualGDB (visual studio extension) can't connect to it, but i think the problem is they use an old version of stlink and i can fix this 2015-01-28T15:52:35 < SIR2> :) 2015-01-28T15:52:43 < dongs> progress 2015-01-28T15:56:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-28T15:56:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T15:58:39 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-28T16:28:40 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-28T16:38:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.137.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-28T16:41:27 < dongs> fuck 2015-01-28T16:41:35 < dongs> non-generated rooms in altium are completely useless 2015-01-28T16:41:42 < dongs> like place your own shit 2015-01-28T16:41:45 < dongs> then you cant copypaste anything 2015-01-28T16:42:22 < dongs> it only works ok when doing device sheets and crap 2015-01-28T16:44:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T16:45:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T16:53:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T16:53:15 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-28T16:53:41 < kakeman> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-TLE987x-ProductBrief-PB-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=5546d46249a28d750149aee472032794 one chip bldc driving 2015-01-28T16:55:50 < qyx_> no can 2015-01-28T16:56:14 < kakeman> what have they been thinking :/ 2015-01-28T16:57:21 < dongs> is that new 2015-01-28T16:57:31 < kakeman> seems to be 2015-01-28T16:58:17 < kakeman> what is this LIN protocol? 2015-01-28T16:58:23 < dongs> can/lin 2015-01-28T16:58:24 < dongs> useless shit 2015-01-28T16:58:47 < qyx_> pls 2015-01-28T16:59:28 < qyx_> but thats funny 2015-01-28T16:59:39 < qyx_> "i need to upgrade firmware in my water pump" 2015-01-28T16:59:51 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ is now known as kuldeepdhaka 2015-01-28T17:01:31 < kakeman> what is capcom6? 2015-01-28T17:01:39 < dongs> capture compare, BRO 2015-01-28T17:01:57 -!- dekar [~elias@171.216.69.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-28T17:02:30 -!- SIR2 [~SIR@2001:6f8:900:8e8e:218:31ff:fe8d:f7cb] has left ##stm32 ["Verlassend"] 2015-01-28T17:02:53 < kakeman> thanks bro 2015-01-28T17:06:19 < gxti> Laurenceb: it works when not in the presence of a massive fail-aura like yours 2015-01-28T17:06:35 < Laurenceb> hehe 2015-01-28T17:07:05 < Laurenceb> Running the default executable on the remote target failed; try "set remote exec-file"? 2015-01-28T17:07:09 < Laurenceb> any ideas? 2015-01-28T17:07:26 < gxti> what were you doing when it said that 2015-01-28T17:07:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T17:07:30 < Laurenceb> run 2015-01-28T17:07:33 < Laurenceb> after flashing 2015-01-28T17:07:47 < gxti> flashed using 'loadl'? 2015-01-28T17:07:49 < gxti> load* 2015-01-28T17:07:52 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-28T17:08:28 < gxti> usually i flash using a script that ends with 'kill', then i start a session to debug 2015-01-28T17:08:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.123] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T17:08:48 < Laurenceb> start a session? 2015-01-28T17:08:55 < gxti> run gdb not in script mode 2015-01-28T17:08:55 < Laurenceb> you mean you run ? 2015-01-28T17:08:59 < Laurenceb> oh 2015-01-28T17:09:00 < gxti> i don't use run 2015-01-28T17:09:43 < gxti> brb 2015-01-28T17:21:13 < gxti> so yeah, my load looks like: gdb --batch -ex 'tar ext /dev/butts' -ex 'mon swdp_scan' -ex 'att 1' -ex load -ex kill dickbutt.elf 2015-01-28T17:21:27 < gxti> and debug would be: gdb -ex 'tar ext /dev/butts' -ex 'mon swdp_scan' -ex 'att 1' 2015-01-28T17:22:19 < gxti> with a dickbutt.elf on that too of course 2015-01-28T17:25:41 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-01-28T17:26:02 < Laurenceb> I might try later, for the time being I have st-link running 2015-01-28T17:27:53 < Steffanx> hows it openocding Laurenceb? 2015-01-28T17:28:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-28T17:28:24 < Laurenceb> busy trollin 2015-01-28T17:31:07 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T17:40:23 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/I4yFRR4.jpg 2015-01-28T17:41:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T17:42:15 < trepidaciousMBR> Wow 2015-01-28T17:46:51 < _Sync_> wat 2015-01-28T17:51:39 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T17:52:03 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T17:56:19 < dongs> so im discussing layout of some board with this one dick 2015-01-28T17:56:23 < PaulFertser> Does anyone want to try FPU support in OpenOCD: git fetch http://openocd.zylin.com/openocd refs/changes/14/514/17 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD ? 2015-01-28T17:56:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iXjKNk4.png suddenly in latest pic i add doge 2015-01-28T17:56:56 < dongs> whats with the cat 2015-01-28T17:57:05 < emeb> n00b 2015-01-28T17:57:39 < emeb> such inductor, very switching, wow 2015-01-28T17:57:45 < dongs> very copypaste 2015-01-28T18:01:49 < dongs> emeb: 18:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m65rAfsjllw 2015-01-28T18:01:49 < dongs> 18:21 < dongs> now that's a pro synth 2015-01-28T18:02:34 < emeb> dongs: yes, it is. some of my tweeps got to play with it at NAMM last week and were very impressed. 2015-01-28T18:02:36 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T18:03:02 < dongs> aye 2015-01-28T18:03:24 < emeb> inside is ADI Sharc and MCHP PIC32. 2015-01-28T18:03:38 < dongs> oh no, its a zano clone 2015-01-28T18:04:25 < dongs> just add 4 brushe dmotors on the corners 2015-01-28T18:04:39 < dongs> already have speaker and mic 2015-01-28T18:06:43 < emeb> don't forget to duct-tape a gopro on 2015-01-28T18:07:20 < emeb> also pro @ NAMM -> http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7868157/teenage-engineering-pocket-operator-synthesizers 2015-01-28T18:08:23 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T18:09:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crhuhmqknzozwbyb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-28T18:11:39 < karlp> emeb: those look sexy as hell 2015-01-28T18:12:16 < emeb> They sound pretty good too. 2015-01-28T18:12:24 < emeb> and you can't beat the price. 2015-01-28T18:13:11 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-28T18:13:28 < emeb> dunno what MCU they're running - would be interesting to learn more about the hardware. 2015-01-28T18:13:44 < emeb> their other product OP-1 is ADI Blackfin IIRC. 2015-01-28T18:23:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-28T18:25:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T18:25:57 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@5.80.115.9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T18:26:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-124.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-28T18:35:59 < Getty> OH! I GOT IT!... TCP_WRITE_FLAG_COPY .. ... yeah i used a temporary buffer, which was of course gone later, so he was for a split second able to send the first package, but the second was already lost in memory translation..... 2015-01-28T18:38:25 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T18:43:07 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T18:51:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.14.191] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T18:54:45 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T19:05:55 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2015-01-28T19:06:43 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T19:16:17 < Getty> ok i think i need a smokefree chamber for the electronics ;) customer said that he smelt it at the prototypes hehe 2015-01-28T19:25:11 < Steffanx> hell yeah, stop smoking near the products you make 2015-01-28T19:25:59 < Getty> well, when i was a software developer only it was actually not big of a deal ;-))) 2015-01-28T19:54:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T19:57:43 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T20:00:05 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-28T20:04:16 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-28T20:04:54 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T20:11:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.14.191] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T20:28:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-28T20:35:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T20:48:03 < Laurenceb> lolling 2015-01-28T20:48:04 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urofsky_v._Gilmore 2015-01-28T20:49:13 -!- Blarg [~Peter2@2001:470:28:537:ac:4801:a354:290c] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T20:51:23 < upgrdman> lolwut http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/2015/01/28/gustine-students-poop-check-piper/22464951/ 2015-01-28T20:52:13 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T21:14:00 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-28T21:19:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.14.191] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T21:26:59 < upgrdman> anyone know why MLCC loose so much capacitance when exposed to a DC bias? do the "plates" of the cap physically distances themselve more when under a DC bias? 2015-01-28T21:28:06 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.vishay.com/docs/40144/capchange.pdf 2015-01-28T21:28:18 < GargantuaSauce> >The major reason for such a difference is that a ceramic’s dielectric constant significantly changes under applied electrical field strength variations 2015-01-28T21:28:57 < ds2> the material changes under a E field influence 2015-01-28T21:30:31 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-28T21:30:55 < GargantuaSauce> linear lumped models are LIES! 2015-01-28T21:31:09 < GargantuaSauce> wake up shEEple 2015-01-28T21:35:21 -!- Blarg [~Peter2@2001:470:28:537:ac:4801:a354:290c] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-28T21:36:48 < ds2> it is no worse then your imperfect inductors 2015-01-28T21:37:15 < qyx_> let's do things perfectly 2015-01-28T21:37:34 < BrainDamage> i have a box of massless pulleys here 2015-01-28T21:38:00 < ds2> I love those massless pulleys! 2015-01-28T21:38:11 < BrainDamage> altough sometimes the spherical cows tend to chew on them, so some are a bit damaged 2015-01-28T21:39:30 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T21:39:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.14.191] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-28T21:45:26 < upgrdman> mmm spherical cows 2015-01-28T21:45:40 < upgrdman> eat them like donut holes 2015-01-28T22:04:35 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-01-28T22:09:55 -!- woop [~rager@ecsta.cc] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T22:10:43 < woop> hi - I've got an stm32f205 mcu connected to my computer with an rt232rl-based board 2015-01-28T22:11:03 < woop> but I'm rather new to this and not sure how to procede - how might I enumerate the mcu and try to flash it? 2015-01-28T22:11:13 < woop> I'm not even sure what kind of usb device is supposed to show up right now for me 2015-01-28T22:11:15 < woop> I'm on OSX 2015-01-28T22:11:29 < woop> the ft232rl seems to be connected to the mcu on both jtag and serial pins 2015-01-28T22:11:40 < woop> the mcu has a green and red led lit up indicating... something 2015-01-28T22:11:51 < Steffanx> what kind of board is that? Link? 2015-01-28T22:11:52 < woop> the board is this thing: http://www.amazon.com/EMB-WICED-S-EMW3162-Development-Board-WICED/dp/B00PACJ2F2 2015-01-28T22:11:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-28T22:12:01 < woop> and it's an emw3162 I'm poking at 2015-01-28T22:13:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T22:13:28 < PaulFertser> woop: are you sure it's ft232r and not ft232h or somesuch? 2015-01-28T22:15:21 < qyx_> ft232rl is not very usable for jtag 2015-01-28T22:15:31 < qyx_> as it lacks mpsse 2015-01-28T22:15:33 < qyx_> afaik 2015-01-28T22:15:37 < PaulFertser> There's an out-of-tree patch for openocd so it sort of works. 2015-01-28T22:18:07 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-28T22:19:11 < kakeman> is there like endless amount of different wifi modules you have to pick from? 2015-01-28T22:19:47 < kakeman> it seems 2015-01-28T22:21:00 < woop> well, that's unfun 2015-01-28T22:21:06 < woop> I'll look closer 2015-01-28T22:21:28 < qyx_> hard decision has been done https://pastee.org/re7me 2015-01-28T22:21:33 < woop> ah, HL 2015-01-28T22:21:48 < woop> so it's an H, for sure 2015-01-28T22:21:53 < qyx_> thats better 2015-01-28T22:22:49 < woop> that letter was pretty faint 2015-01-28T22:32:47 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T22:36:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-28T22:44:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T22:49:26 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-28T22:55:50 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T22:59:22 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T23:09:17 -!- _Sync_ [~foobar@sync-hv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-28T23:09:57 < qyx_> i like when my bugfree software hangs 2015-01-28T23:10:16 -!- _Sync_ [~foobar@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-28T23:10:21 < Fleck> ;p 2015-01-28T23:13:04 < PaulFertser> woop: so if it's ft232h you can use OpenOCD's ftdi driver. 2015-01-28T23:20:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-28T23:22:19 < Steffanx> cosmic interference is a bitch qyx_ 2015-01-28T23:34:06 < woop> PaulFertser: is that the config openocd/scripts/interface/ftdi/openocd-usb.cfg ? 2015-01-28T23:38:46 < PaulFertser> woop: it might work, yes. 2015-01-28T23:39:06 < woop> cool - it's at least a start 2015-01-28T23:42:00 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/eGYH36w.png 2015-01-28T23:43:00 < PaulFertser> woop: chances are they cloned the jtagkey2 layout or some such. To be really sure you need to inspect the board schematics. Please ping me tomorrow morning as I have to sleep now. 2015-01-28T23:57:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Thu Jan 29 2015 2015-01-29T00:04:04 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fidecxlvtfexspeb] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T00:04:12 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T00:27:59 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T00:28:16 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fidecxlvtfexspeb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T00:28:36 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuvymxjqyqpmhzak] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T00:28:59 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T00:53:20 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-29T01:00:55 < woop> PaulFertser: thanks 2015-01-29T01:15:05 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-29T01:26:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-29T01:27:12 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T01:52:03 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-01-29T01:53:38 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-29T02:01:11 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-29T02:10:46 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T02:11:50 < emeb> here's one for dongs 2015-01-29T02:11:52 < emeb> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/axoloti-a-digital-audio-platform-for-makers 2015-01-29T02:12:01 < emeb> STM32 based 2015-01-29T02:15:30 < Fleck> nice 2015-01-29T02:16:59 < Getty> hihi like buzz 2015-01-29T02:25:08 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-29T02:26:29 < dongs> emeb: we just discussed this like yesterday, no? 2015-01-29T02:26:41 < emeb> dongs: yeah 2015-01-29T02:26:50 < emeb> didn't realize that it was indiegogo tho 2015-01-29T02:27:06 < emeb> looks like they made it though 2015-01-29T02:27:11 < dongs> seems 2015-01-29T02:27:28 < dongs> jesus 2015-01-29T02:27:30 < dongs> 20 eur for shipping 2015-01-29T02:27:33 < dongs> 120 for main board 2015-01-29T02:27:34 < dongs> what hte fuck 2015-01-29T02:27:40 < dongs> are they making it out of gold 2015-01-29T02:27:52 < Fleck> ;p 2015-01-29T02:27:58 < emeb> um - 60eu for one board 2015-01-29T02:28:04 < emeb> 120 for two 2015-01-29T02:28:18 < dongs> oh i thought the prices were sorted ascending 2015-01-29T02:28:36 < dongs> ok then still, shipping is almost half the price of single board? 2015-01-29T02:29:01 < dongs> a 180Mhz ARM Cortex M4 microcontroller with 256kB of SRAM, and 1MB of Flash (STM32F427) 2015-01-29T02:29:04 < dongs> hm 2015-01-29T02:29:09 < dongs> why 427? isnt that the one wiht LCD controller? 2015-01-29T02:29:15 < dongs> hm no thats 429 2015-01-29T02:29:20 < emeb> right 2015-01-29T02:29:47 < dongs> oh just b ecause of 180 vs 168mhz? 2015-01-29T02:29:52 < emeb> and more SRAM 2015-01-29T02:29:55 < emeb> and SAI port 2015-01-29T02:31:02 < emeb> iirc this board also has an F0 or F1 on it for managing buttons, pots, display. 2015-01-29T02:31:22 < emeb> seems dumb to me - plenty of horsepower in the F4 for that too. 2015-01-29T02:33:02 < emeb> dongs: ever work with FM radio stuff - SCA & RDS decoders? 2015-01-29T02:40:05 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-01-29T02:42:54 < dongs> we did FM on the digital radio receiver but japs dont have RDS 2015-01-29T02:43:10 < dongs> so just used i forget what FM chip and didnt bother decoding metadata since tehres isnt any 2015-01-29T02:43:35 < ds2> wtf - 2015-01-29T02:43:53 < ds2> "[Ibrahim] began this project more than a year ago when he realized simple serial JPEG cameras were ludicrously expensive,"??!?!?!?!?! 2015-01-29T02:43:58 < emeb> dongs: working to see if I can do SCA data in an F4 2015-01-29T02:44:15 < dongs> ds2, sounds like ad-a-day 2015-01-29T02:44:35 < ds2> dongs: I been paying $5/each for them.... 2015-01-29T02:44:45 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2015/01/27/parts-io-aims-for-better-component-discovery/ 2015-01-29T02:44:56 < dongs> "Full Disclosure: Parts.io is produced by Supplyframe Inc. Hackaday is an Editorially Independent part of Supplyframe." 2015-01-29T02:45:09 < emeb> ds2: not everyone can get 'em cheap at radioshack firesales. :) 2015-01-29T02:45:36 < ds2> i rarely find their part related articles useful 2015-01-29T02:45:45 < ds2> emeb: even w/o sales... it is $30-$40ish 2015-01-29T02:45:56 < ds2> same ball park as a webcam 2015-01-29T02:45:58 < dongs> http://www.lantronix.com/blog/2015/01/xpico-wi-fi-helped-zano-drone-soar-ces/ 2015-01-29T02:45:59 < dongs> haha 2015-01-29T02:46:02 < dongs> they're still going for that shit 2015-01-29T02:46:46 < ds2> Comment: "How is this any better than a Raspberry Pi +camera?" 2015-01-29T02:46:47 < ds2> hehehe 2015-01-29T02:46:52 < emeb> wait until they disappear with everyone's money 2015-01-29T02:48:30 < dongs> ohhhhhh, i just got a PROMOTED TWEET from cathay pacific 2015-01-29T02:48:48 < dongs> feelin special 2015-01-29T02:48:49 < ds2> you made their no fly list? 2015-01-29T02:48:54 < dongs> almost 2015-01-29T02:50:33 < dongs> I'm sitting 2m from Ivan all day so I can confirm, he is a busy man, but he still takes time to have a look at the new comments on the forum several times a day. To give you the best value, we are not taking it the easy way, we are looking at getting the best of each components of the Zano: motors, propellers, battery, camera module to cite only a few. So although talks about these are in decline on the forum, it is still "hot topics" at the office and we are activel 2015-01-29T02:52:02 < ds2> emeb: came across a place for reasonable priced RFcans today - flat fee for as many as it will fit on roughly 2 sheets of paper 2015-01-29T02:54:31 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 2015-01-29T02:55:08 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-29T02:55:21 < dongs> ragequitter 2015-01-29T02:55:57 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T02:56:10 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-01-29T02:56:21 < dongs> chronic rage quitter 2015-01-29T02:58:20 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T02:58:32 -!- faaaaaak [uid56692@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktknbqwzkrihuwcb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-29T03:03:25 < dongs> http://www.bloomberg.com/404 2015-01-29T03:04:32 < dongs> emeb: 256k on 427 is all DMA'able? no CCM part? 2015-01-29T03:06:38 < PeterM> lolwot 2015-01-29T03:08:16 < dongs> signed up for parts.io using faggot@aol.com email 2015-01-29T03:08:21 < dongs> luckily they dont need account activation 2015-01-29T03:09:13 < dongs> Digikey search is better (and they do not even have one!) 2015-01-29T03:09:14 < dongs> Mouser still remains the best (and theirs sucks in many ways too, but at least it features integer number of pins and ram and flash sizes) 2015-01-29T03:09:18 < dongs> uhhh 2015-01-29T03:09:23 < dongs> this guy thinks mouser search is better htan digikey 2015-01-29T03:09:28 < dongs> he must be a pro arduino user 2015-01-29T03:09:52 < PeterM> digikey search is near perfect 2015-01-29T03:10:11 < PeterM> just a nice big table - all i fucking want 2015-01-29T03:11:45 < PeterM> only problem with digikey is the cart interface - sometimes its dick 2015-01-29T03:15:07 < dongs> feeling assburgery today 2015-01-29T03:15:11 < dongs> dont really wanna innovate anything 2015-01-29T03:15:34 < dongs> got ot d o some layout work on l ike 3 projects 2015-01-29T03:15:41 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-29T03:15:55 < ds2> who needs layout...just autoroute it and upload to fab 2015-01-29T03:15:55 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T03:16:00 < ds2> it'll just "work" 2015-01-29T03:16:57 < PeterM> i've always wondered how ugly you could route some boards with them still working 2015-01-29T03:17:50 < dongs> i bet you could 2015-01-29T03:18:36 < PeterM> it's 90% component placement anyway 2015-01-29T03:18:45 < dongs> rite 2015-01-29T03:18:49 < dongs> im already placed 2015-01-29T03:18:51 < dongs> just need to route 2015-01-29T03:19:12 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T03:22:07 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.94.124] has quit [] 2015-01-29T03:23:34 < PeterM> dongs, go have a fap, shower and a cup of coffee then see if you wanna route 2015-01-29T03:25:27 < dongs> i dont do cofee 2015-01-29T03:26:01 < PeterM> oh, then take some adderall 2015-01-29T03:34:10 < dongs> what happens to a switching converter when Vin = Vout 2015-01-29T03:34:18 < dongs> does it just fail 2 blog 2015-01-29T03:37:42 < PeterM> dependsa on the type of switcher 2015-01-29T03:40:09 < PeterM> boost it still may switch to covre teh diode drop but otherwise wont. buck will just run max duty cycle 2015-01-29T03:41:38 < dongs> yea its buck, i guess if it doesnt do anything it'll just pass VIn -> coil -> vout and do nothing 2015-01-29T03:41:53 < dongs> i think tehre's a diode inside 2015-01-29T03:41:56 < dongs> its ncp1532 2015-01-29T03:47:33 < PeterM> it'll run at 100% on until the top fets gate discharges, then it will hiccup to recharge the top FETs cap, unless it uses PMOS or a built in charge pump- either way though, it will proetty muchg be vin=vout though because it allows up to 100% duty cycle 2015-01-29T03:49:15 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-29T03:49:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuvymxjqyqpmhzak] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-29T03:56:47 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-29T04:00:59 < emeb> ds2: cool news on RF cans 2015-01-29T04:01:14 < emeb> we just got 'em from DK - not too expensive 2015-01-29T04:02:38 < emeb> dongs: 64kB CCM + 192kB regular SRAM (fully DMA-able) 2015-01-29T04:02:48 < emeb> in the F42x / F43x 2015-01-29T04:04:11 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T04:04:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-29T04:06:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T04:07:11 < dongs> so its like 64k extra 2015-01-29T04:07:25 < dongs> they shoulda used PIC32MZ 2015-01-29T04:07:28 < dongs> that has 512k sram 2015-01-29T04:16:42 < englishman> dongs: high quality tweet 2015-01-29T04:17:04 < dongs> tq, we aim to please 2015-01-29T04:17:10 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-29T04:24:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T04:26:46 < emeb_mac> PIC32 sux so hard 2015-01-29T04:29:21 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T04:30:52 < dongs> not when y ou have a team of DSP engineers!!1 2015-01-29T04:36:02 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-neovvlwfmbxbevcp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T04:41:58 < englishman> found zano footage http://gfycat.com/ElatedHappyDungenesscrab 2015-01-29T04:58:40 < zyp> dongs, according to datasheet ncp1532 will leave the p-fet completely on when Vin is too low 2015-01-29T04:59:06 < zyp> and since it's a p-fet, it shouldn't have any problems driving it to saturation either 2015-01-29T04:59:56 < zyp> so the only voltage drop is the resistances in the fet and the inductor 2015-01-29T05:00:01 < dongs> right 2015-01-29T05:00:02 < dongs> kk 2015-01-29T05:00:30 < zyp> looks like a pretty neat part btw 2015-01-29T05:00:37 < dongs> im using it everywehre 2015-01-29T05:00:50 < dongs> pretty compact layout with 0402 also 2015-01-29T05:00:57 < zyp> two channels, bunch of current, few external parts 2015-01-29T05:02:08 < dongs> takes up 1cm62 2015-01-29T05:02:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CT4cGyf.png 2015-01-29T05:02:15 < dongs> er cm^2 2015-01-29T05:03:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T05:03:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-29T05:03:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T05:41:38 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T05:41:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-29T05:43:53 < dongs> im assburgering 2015-01-29T05:47:01 < dongs> flying a drone in front of my monitors instead of routing 2015-01-29T05:54:30 < emeb_mac> improving skillz 2015-01-29T06:02:07 < dongs> recording my anus in 4K HD yes 2015-01-29T06:02:11 < dongs> flying Zano, no 2015-01-29T06:02:36 < dongs> no 2015-01-29T06:02:41 < dongs> all britfags 2015-01-29T06:02:44 < dongs> ex ausfags 2015-01-29T06:03:29 < dongs> With a rich heritage in electronics, robotics and software development, Torquing Group can trace it's origins back to 1990, In Australia, when the company first formed, simply trading as Torquing. Due to greater growth opportunities, operations were relocated to the UK in 2007. 2015-01-29T06:03:33 < dongs> With a 25 year history specialising in technology, robotics, electronics, engineering and programming, Torquing Group has a proven track record in developing innovative solutions for the public and private sectors to an eclectic array of problems. 2015-01-29T06:03:37 < dongs> back in 1990 the guy was 14 2015-01-29T06:05:22 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T06:05:22 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-29T06:05:22 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T06:06:17 < PeterM> cant money backifits already spent 2015-01-29T06:08:40 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/4/1/9/3/9/a7442281-186-IMG_6892.JPG 2015-01-29T06:08:47 < dongs> nice fake empty shells 2015-01-29T06:09:17 < PeterM> "dont fly it. because it cant" 2015-01-29T06:09:25 < dongs> correct 2015-01-29T06:14:22 < dongs> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/poop-inspections_n_6566426.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000022 2015-01-29T06:25:56 < dongs> http://www.rajant.com/pdf/John-Doyle-1014-UnmannedSystems.pdf 2015-01-29T06:28:21 < dongs> Torquing Technology.s Sparrow nano UAV consists of seven circuit boards folded up like a paper roadmap inside the tiny aircraft.s fuselage. 2015-01-29T06:28:24 < dongs> That .baked-in. sensor package includes three dedicated digital signal processors. The processed information is then provided to a 2015-01-29T06:28:27 < dongs> built-in Linux Web server providing a user interface based on HTML5 and Ajax Web programming-based user interface. 2015-01-29T06:28:31 < dongs> loool 2015-01-29T06:31:20 < englishman> R2COM: money back, lol 2015-01-29T06:31:27 < englishman> people are free to demand money back, or whatever they want 2015-01-29T06:31:28 < dongs> yacht back 2015-01-29T06:45:33 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T06:47:27 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-29T06:47:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-29T06:47:49 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T06:47:49 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-29T06:47:49 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T06:48:28 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-01-29T06:48:43 < dongs> http://i1.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/article5853139.ece/alternates/s615/bcb-sq-4-drone.jpg 2015-01-29T06:48:51 < dongs> ohhh a different looking torquing drone 2015-01-29T06:49:10 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-29T06:50:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T06:55:25 < dongs> its a troll 2015-01-29T06:55:35 < dongs> scamvertisement 2015-01-29T06:56:52 < kakeman> has lockheed made any sensible for decades? 2015-01-29T06:58:35 < kakeman> not anato country 2015-01-29T06:58:35 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-29T06:58:54 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T07:02:01 < kakeman> still not buying f-35 2015-01-29T07:04:57 < kakeman> it's going to get stupid but not that stupid 2015-01-29T07:07:10 < kakeman> gripen can take like 2kg of payload 2015-01-29T07:10:42 -!- DanteA [~X@host-114-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T07:14:27 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-29T07:15:05 < PeterM> 2kg of freedom 2015-01-29T07:15:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T07:18:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-29T07:19:44 < GargantuaSauce> death is a sort of freedom in and of itself 2015-01-29T07:21:02 < emeb_mac> and in exchange the native americans gave us... fry bread 2015-01-29T07:26:35 -!- DanteA [~X@host-114-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-29T07:31:27 < kakeman> when I was in muricas there was those stone things with a plate on them 2015-01-29T07:31:41 < englishman> gravestones? 2015-01-29T07:31:57 < PeterM> stone tables? 2015-01-29T07:32:29 < englishman> cool, google identified GHOST bug as a vuln almost a year ago and patched chromeOS 2015-01-29T07:37:12 < kakeman> saying that indians resistance was annihilated in this place year that 2015-01-29T07:39:28 < kakeman> and a settlement was formed 2015-01-29T07:40:07 < kakeman> pretty recently actually just 3centurys or so back 2015-01-29T07:42:59 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-29T07:55:45 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T08:02:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T08:18:54 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T08:19:06 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T08:32:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T09:18:11 -!- dekar [~elias@171.216.69.156] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T09:21:07 < dongs> http://www.decawave.com/products/overview 2015-01-29T09:25:18 < dekar> that quadcopter you like so much totally needs that 2015-01-29T09:27:20 < dongs> i was just thinking that 2015-01-29T09:30:00 < qyx_> 802.15.4 and 10m range 2015-01-29T09:30:10 < dongs> zano deosnt need to f ly far 2015-01-29T09:30:21 < dongs> infact it doesnt need to fly at all 2015-01-29T09:31:15 < qyx_> they have 2 days left 2015-01-29T09:31:36 < dongs> they already hinted it might be "earlyfebrurary' 2015-01-29T09:31:46 < dekar> that's how they do image stabilisation via software update, they disable the motors so there are no more vibrations :D 2015-01-29T09:31:56 < dongs> yes 2015-01-29T09:33:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-29T09:37:59 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-29T09:42:15 < dekar> "ZANO firmware has 200% throttle control for each motor and ZANO hardware allows motors to be driven forward or backwards and can change from nearly 100,000rpm one direction to nearly 100,000rpm the other direction in less than 200ms or less than a fifth of a second." 2015-01-29T09:43:09 < dongs> (c) ivan 2015-01-29T09:43:23 < dongs> that guy is on a (t)roll 2015-01-29T09:44:10 < dekar> it's not even using brushless motors, is it? 2015-01-29T09:44:20 < dongs> brushed of course 2015-01-29T09:45:24 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db704ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T10:04:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-29T10:10:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T10:13:25 < zyp> they really like hyping that 2015-01-29T10:13:53 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T10:14:15 < zyp> «hey, we put in four times as many transistors as required for driving these motors, so you can get this completely useless feature» 2015-01-29T10:15:50 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T10:15:57 < Tectu> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/003/174/425/3132c14eee35a660e22c1a9869781e3c_large.jpg?1421966700 2015-01-29T10:16:05 < Tectu> what is that USB stick thingy? Where do I get one of thsoe? 2015-01-29T10:16:07 < Tectu> those* 2015-01-29T10:16:19 < zyp> ebay? 2015-01-29T10:16:37 < Tectu> what's the name of that thing? 2015-01-29T10:16:40 < zyp> let me know when you find it, I also want one now 2015-01-29T10:17:05 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T10:17:20 < jpa-> "usb power meter" on ebay 2015-01-29T10:17:40 < Tectu> zyp, http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLED-USB-Charger-Current-Voltage-Capacity-Power-Detector-Tester-Meter-Voltmeter-/151336387255?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item233c5a02b7 2015-01-29T10:17:52 < Tectu> zyp, ah, as jpa- pointer out... there are a trillion different ones 2015-01-29T10:18:14 < zyp> that's what I suspected 2015-01-29T10:18:50 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-29T10:18:50 -!- [1]PeterM is now known as PeterM 2015-01-29T10:19:01 < Tectu> zyp, which one will you get? 2015-01-29T10:19:43 < zyp> dunno, I just realized that I don't care to buy one now 2015-01-29T10:20:18 < Tectu> zyp, this one seems to be "the one" and the most popular one at the same time: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLED-USB-Charger-Capacity-power-Current-Voltage-Detector-Tester-Meter-with-Case-/121425835081?pt=US_Computer_Power_Supply_Testers&hash=item1c458b3449 2015-01-29T10:20:51 < GargantuaSauce> oh that looks sweet 2015-01-29T10:20:57 < Tectu> Voltage range: 3.5V-10V (accuracy 1%) 2015-01-29T10:20:58 < Tectu> Current range: 0-3.3A (accuracy 0.4%) 2015-01-29T10:21:02 < GargantuaSauce> i wanna go on an ebay binge but the canadian dollar is so shit right now :/ 2015-01-29T10:21:07 < Tectu> I wonder how accurate those 0.4% are 2015-01-29T10:21:25 < zyp> so apparently I forgot my ebay password 2015-01-29T10:22:04 < jpa-> Tectu: probably 1% 2015-01-29T10:23:08 < Tectu> zyp, you don't believe it... I just wanted to ask here if anybody knows my ebay password 2015-01-29T10:23:17 < jpa-> i do 2015-01-29T10:23:33 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T10:23:36 < zyp> hunter2 2015-01-29T10:24:06 < zyp> well, I remember what my ebay password used to be 2015-01-29T10:24:21 < zyp> but I think they forced a reset last year, and I don't remember what I changed it to 2015-01-29T10:24:41 < Tectu> "Give $1 + provide a safe haven for healing and prevention of child sexual abuse." 2015-01-29T10:25:03 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T10:25:10 < jpa-> zyp: no password manager? 2015-01-29T10:25:57 < zyp> I have lastpass, but I haven't bothered to start using it yet 2015-01-29T10:26:08 < zyp> there's something about not having all the passwords in my head that bothers me 2015-01-29T10:26:23 < Tectu> now what could that be 2015-01-29T10:26:34 < Tectu> zyp should probably get himself mooltipass 2015-01-29T10:26:37 < dongs> yea they forced reset last year 2015-01-29T10:26:37 < zyp> not to mention the inconvenience when I want to log in from other places 2015-01-29T10:26:39 < dongs> after that megahax 2015-01-29T10:26:51 < dongs> pissed me off too 2015-01-29T10:27:10 < zyp> I think I had this problem last time I wanted to buy something too 2015-01-29T10:27:24 < dongs> cant you just reset it 2015-01-29T10:27:29 < Tectu> dongs, can't remember - what happened? 2015-01-29T10:27:31 < zyp> sure, that's what I did 2015-01-29T10:29:53 < dongs> Tectu: dunno, some dumb hax, they made everyone change pass 2015-01-29T10:32:25 < jpa-> zyp: maybe have the password manager on shell server or in your phone? 2015-01-29T10:32:49 < dongs> jus use 'nigger' as a password everywhere 2015-01-29T10:33:05 < zyp> jpa-, sure, but it's not the problem of needing to have it available that I find inconvenient 2015-01-29T10:33:12 < zyp> it's that I have to look it up at all 2015-01-29T10:33:23 < GargantuaSauce> come up with a system 2015-01-29T10:33:45 < Tectu> or do it like my girlfriend and ask your partner to buy anything online for you 2015-01-29T10:33:52 < jpa-> zyp: no-one forbids you from remembering it also :D 2015-01-29T10:34:01 < GargantuaSauce> like a scheme or mnemonic for generating passwords you can remember that are unique per-service 2015-01-29T10:34:28 < Tectu> yes, for example I always use #@§9¦§000#@°|°0¦@°|9#§9 as a seed 2015-01-29T10:35:14 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, that's what I do 2015-01-29T10:35:33 < GargantuaSauce> well you seem to have neglected the "remember" part :o 2015-01-29T10:36:09 < Tectu> and again I have to get my dictionary out :] 2015-01-29T10:36:32 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, well, like I said, I remember the old one 2015-01-29T10:36:59 < zyp> but I obviously couldn't change back to that, so I had to come up with a new one 2015-01-29T10:37:33 < Tectu> should we remember it for you? 2015-01-29T10:37:41 < GargantuaSauce> i volunteer 2015-01-29T10:38:55 < zyp> good idea 2015-01-29T10:38:55 < GargantuaSauce> also, think i'm going to have to start making up big words when talking in tectu's presence 2015-01-29T10:39:08 < zyp> if I only knew it, I'd let you know what it is 2015-01-29T10:45:31 < Tectu> * Notify: h is online (freenode) 2015-01-29T10:45:31 < Tectu> * Notify: h is offline (freenode) 2015-01-29T10:45:48 < zyp> ok 2015-01-29T10:45:48 < Tectu> WHY ON EARTH DID I HAD TO ACCIDENTIALLY ADD A NOTIFICATION ON A FUCKING LETTER!!!! 2015-01-29T10:46:16 < GargantuaSauce> put it in h 2015-01-29T10:46:48 < jpa-> Tectu: maybe you wanted to steal his nick 2015-01-29T10:51:52 < Laurenceb__> http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/comic-475-oh-weve-got-difficulties.html 2015-01-29T10:56:45 < qyx_> lol, whats this page about 2015-01-29T10:57:41 < qyx_> such trolling and hating 2015-01-29T10:58:12 < qyx_> My name is Carl and I used to write about it all the time, then I stopped because I went insane 2015-01-29T11:01:55 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-29T11:23:23 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T11:53:55 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T11:53:55 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-29T11:53:55 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T11:53:55 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-29T11:53:55 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T11:53:58 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-29T11:59:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T12:08:30 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-29T12:28:37 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-29T12:40:06 < karlp> qyx_: related to your help text last night: https://pastee.org/pv3v8 2015-01-29T12:41:18 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-29T12:43:42 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-29T12:43:54 < dongs> wait wat 2015-01-29T12:46:05 -!- Elek101 [~textual@diagenode.socext.ulg.ac.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T12:48:02 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T12:48:02 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-29T12:48:02 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T12:55:36 -!- Elek101 [~textual@diagenode.socext.ulg.ac.be] has left ##stm32 ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] 2015-01-29T13:00:44 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T13:01:45 < karlp> hrm, that usb current voltage thing tectu found is way nicer than mine. 2015-01-29T13:06:18 < dongs> http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=233 i wonder how shit this is 2015-01-29T13:06:20 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T13:10:46 < dongs> well digikey doesnt evne have it 2015-01-29T13:10:48 < dongs> so cant be good 2015-01-29T13:17:44 < dongs> hm maybe hirose DF19 2015-01-29T13:24:15 < dongs> ohhh 2015-01-29T13:24:19 < dongs> hirose MDF76 2015-01-29T13:24:20 < dongs> that is NICE 2015-01-29T13:24:25 < dongs> it mounts into a cutout on pcb 2015-01-29T13:24:32 < dongs> so total height would be 1.5mm 2015-01-29T13:24:52 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-29T13:25:25 < dongs> hgeh 30 pin only 2015-01-29T13:25:25 < dongs> fuck 2015-01-29T13:25:39 < dongs> lvds assholes 2015-01-29T13:25:40 < scrts_w> how many do you need? 2015-01-29T13:25:44 < dongs> like 7 2015-01-29T13:25:44 < dongs> haha 2015-01-29T13:25:58 < dongs> i need to bring SATA out of a 2mm tall enclosure 2015-01-29T13:25:59 < scrts_w> maybe avx/kyocera has something? 2015-01-29T13:26:02 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T13:26:04 < scrts_w> I use them 2015-01-29T13:26:33 < dongs> ya im just going down the list 2015-01-29T13:26:59 < dongs> oh already looked at kyocera 2015-01-29T13:27:29 < scrts_w> http://www.moddiy.com/product_images/w/376/SATA_Data_7-Pin_Male_Right_Angle_Half_Shielded_Connector_(Black)__50571_zoom.jpg 2015-01-29T13:27:34 < scrts_w> what's the height of that? 2015-01-29T13:27:43 < dongs> haha like 4mm 2015-01-29T13:27:57 < dongs> standard wont work 2015-01-29T13:28:09 < dongs> im using 0.4mm pcb 2015-01-29T13:28:22 < dongs> and i have literally like < 1.8mm inside the enclosure for pcb +_ connector 2015-01-29T13:29:25 < dongs> i think DF19 is the most reasonable oen 2015-01-29T13:29:27 < dongs> that has 7 contacts 2015-01-29T13:29:41 < dongs> well, it has 8 but 2015-01-29T13:29:46 < dongs> i can work around that 2015-01-29T13:30:11 < dongs> DF49 is cool too but 2015-01-29T13:30:23 < dongs> 20pin minimum 2015-01-29T13:30:35 < scrts_w> how many lvds pairs you need? 2015-01-29T13:30:40 < scrts_w> two? 2015-01-29T13:30:45 < dongs> sata, yes 2 2015-01-29T13:31:08 < dongs> im just doing samea pinout line gnd|+-|gnd|-+|gnd 2015-01-29T13:31:14 < dongs> so 7 minimum 2015-01-29T13:31:37 < scrts_w> yeah, that's good 2015-01-29T13:31:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-29T13:31:47 < scrts_w> where that cable will go? to the HDD? 2015-01-29T13:31:54 < dongs> another box 2015-01-29T13:31:58 < dongs> w/normal sata plug 2015-01-29T13:32:18 < scrts_w> another box is also custom? 2015-01-29T13:32:20 < dongs> so this is just to braek it out from a thin enclosure 2015-01-29T13:32:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T13:32:24 < scrts_w> or off the shelf? 2015-01-29T13:32:35 < dongs> nah just sata enclosure 2015-01-29T13:32:54 < dongs> ill have another mating versionf of whatever connector I end up choosing on it and a regular sata socket ~like the one you linkd 2015-01-29T13:34:05 < scrts_w> well, you can consider these two options: use flexpcb/flexcable between the boards and have a small connector for that OR 2015-01-29T13:34:22 < scrts_w> do the connector from the PCB itself 2015-01-29T13:34:24 < dongs> ywah, i want to do flexcable but the dickhead who wants this has some problems with it 2015-01-29T13:34:26 < scrts_w> like PCIe is 2015-01-29T13:34:28 < dongs> i think FPC would make much more sense 2015-01-29T13:34:38 < scrts_w> just select proper PCB wthickness 2015-01-29T13:34:48 < dongs> 'from pcb'? 2015-01-29T13:35:09 < scrts_w> PCB connector 2015-01-29T13:35:50 < scrts_w> http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-PCIe-1x-Riser-adapter-b.jpg except SATA instead of PCIe 2015-01-29T13:36:17 < dongs> heh, that PCB is almost as thick as total space I have to work with :p 2015-01-29T13:36:44 < dongs> how about those FPC sockets that don't have a locking tab 2015-01-29T13:36:50 < dongs> just work by pushing stuff in more 2015-01-29T13:39:33 < scrts_w> I only use with lock tab 2015-01-29T13:39:38 < scrts_w> but it's automotive, so... 2015-01-29T13:39:50 < dongs> yeah all i see is lock tab ones 2015-01-29T13:40:18 < dongs> anyway, too stoned, sleepy time 2015-01-29T13:40:18 < dongs> bbl 2015-01-29T13:40:31 < scrts_w> gn8 2015-01-29T13:44:51 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/15/01/28/2254256/one-in-five-developers-now-works-on-iot-projects 2015-01-29T13:46:31 < jpa-> ok, hands up, who is working on iot now? 2015-01-29T13:46:47 < jpa-> _o/ (well.. it is a thing.. and it has internets) 2015-01-29T13:47:27 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-29T13:47:31 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T13:47:46 < karlp> _o/ 2015-01-29T13:48:42 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T13:54:55 < Laurenceb> haha http://beta.slashdot.org/story/06/03/13/0525254/root-password-readable-in-clear-text-with-ubuntu 2015-01-29T13:56:31 < jpa-> "more than 8 years ago" 2015-01-29T13:56:36 < jpa-> you sure are slow to get jokes 2015-01-29T14:03:02 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-29T14:07:25 < scummos> "extremely critical" yes yes sure 2015-01-29T14:11:00 -!- akaWolf1 [~akawolf@188.162.64.21] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T14:13:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T14:44:39 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T14:47:02 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T14:48:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-29T14:48:55 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-01-29T14:48:55 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-01-29T14:49:28 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T14:49:43 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T14:51:13 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-29T14:53:41 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T14:59:06 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-29T15:13:30 < Laurenceb> got my airspy 2015-01-29T15:13:38 < Laurenceb> now i have to install something to use it.... 2015-01-29T15:19:56 < BrainDamage> re: ubuntu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola 2015-01-29T15:19:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T15:20:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-29T15:20:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2015-01-29T15:21:15 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T15:25:20 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-01-29T15:25:30 < Laurenceb> why does git clone give me 403 yet wget work 2015-01-29T15:25:50 < Laurenceb> *ubuntu fail* 2015-01-29T15:26:46 < akaWolf1> Laurenceb: which exactly? 2015-01-29T15:27:08 < Laurenceb> sudo git clone works 2015-01-29T15:27:19 < Laurenceb> now i just have to change ownership of everything 2015-01-29T15:29:45 < Laurenceb> -- Looking for stdint.h - not found 2015-01-29T15:29:52 < Laurenceb> how can something fail so badly 2015-01-29T15:30:08 < akaWolf1> there is clone? 2015-01-29T15:30:31 < Laurenceb> i dont understand you 2015-01-29T15:30:38 < akaWolf1> "git clone"? 2015-01-29T15:30:57 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-01-29T15:31:23 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqksobwypkpyypjc] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T15:31:38 < akaWolf1> Laurenceb: something local 2015-01-29T15:32:19 < akaWolf1> try to remove existing cloning folder 2015-01-29T15:32:25 < Laurenceb> why? 2015-01-29T15:32:25 < akaWolf1> and clone again 2015-01-29T15:32:56 < Laurenceb> im not convinced that will achieve anything, but ill tyr 2015-01-29T15:33:07 < akaWolf1> yeah 2015-01-29T15:33:21 < Laurenceb> how could it possibly make any difference? 2015-01-29T15:33:42 < akaWolf1> looks like it's not a git problem 2015-01-29T15:34:25 < akaWolf1> something regarging your local platform 2015-01-29T15:34:35 < Laurenceb> screw this im giving up 2015-01-29T15:34:41 < Laurenceb> time for windoze 2015-01-29T15:34:45 < akaWolf1> haha 2015-01-29T15:35:13 < akaWolf1> give me full command, I try to execute by yourself 2015-01-29T15:35:14 < Laurenceb> i mean seriously 2015-01-29T15:35:33 < Laurenceb> well git clone fails unless in root 2015-01-29T15:35:35 < Laurenceb> *im 2015-01-29T15:35:40 < Laurenceb> thats my first problem 2015-01-29T15:36:12 < jpa-> Laurenceb: probably you have a root-owned file somewhere there which you cannot write 2015-01-29T15:36:15 < jpa-> or else, read-only 2015-01-29T15:36:42 < Laurenceb> but where would it be? 2015-01-29T15:39:31 < akaWolf1> in your cloning folder 2015-01-29T15:39:46 < Laurenceb> not a chance 2015-01-29T15:39:51 < Laurenceb> its empty 2015-01-29T15:40:09 < akaWolf1> are you sure? 2015-01-29T15:40:26 < akaWolf1> give me ls -lia output 2015-01-29T15:40:50 < Laurenceb> 9363733 drwxr-xr-x 2 laurence laurence 4096 2015-01-29 13:33 . 2015-01-29T15:40:50 < Laurenceb> 4718594 drwxr-xr-x 127 laurence laurence 12288 2015-01-29 13:15 .. 2015-01-29T15:40:56 < akaWolf1> ok 2015-01-29T15:41:23 < akaWolf1> how are you execute git? 2015-01-29T15:41:43 < akaWolf1> whoami output 2015-01-29T15:41:49 < Laurenceb> git clone "foo" 2015-01-29T15:41:59 < Laurenceb> im me :P 2015-01-29T15:42:10 < akaWolf1> which user exactly? 2015-01-29T15:42:17 < brabo> is your root's public key added to your gitub account or so and your users not? 2015-01-29T15:42:48 < Laurenceb> user laurence 2015-01-29T15:43:03 < Laurenceb> brabo: maybe thats it, thanks 2015-01-29T15:43:10 < Laurenceb> but actually no 2015-01-29T15:43:18 < Laurenceb> as im not using my github account 2015-01-29T15:44:01 < BrainDamage> if you clone from one local folder to that one, does it work without sudo? 2015-01-29T15:44:06 < brabo> if you use the ssh clone link you use your pubkeys, if they do not match an account, you could get a 403 i think 2015-01-29T15:44:36 < akaWolf1> ls -lia ~/.gitconfig 2015-01-29T15:44:46 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9871315 2015-01-29T15:45:14 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9871318 2015-01-29T15:46:46 < akaWolf1> git --version 2015-01-29T15:47:11 < Laurenceb> 1.7.0.4 2015-01-29T15:47:40 < akaWolf1> wget https://github.com/airspy/host 2015-01-29T15:48:03 < Laurenceb> works fine 2015-01-29T15:48:12 < BrainDamage> uhhh 2015-01-29T15:48:17 < BrainDamage> you're trying to clone the web page 2015-01-29T15:48:19 < BrainDamage> not the repo 2015-01-29T15:48:24 < BrainDamage> the repo url is https://github.com/airspy/host.git 2015-01-29T15:48:42 < BrainDamage> notice the .git suffix 2015-01-29T15:49:16 < akaWolf1> works for without .git 2015-01-29T15:49:38 < akaWolf1> me 2015-01-29T15:50:28 < Laurenceb> same error 2015-01-29T15:50:34 < akaWolf1> Laurenceb: do you have two-factor authentication error? 2015-01-29T15:50:56 < akaWolf1> oh two-factor authentication enabled 2015-01-29T15:52:18 < akaWolf1> Laurenceb: do you have two-factor authentication enabled? 2015-01-29T15:52:48 < Laurenceb> i dont know 2015-01-29T15:52:49 < akaWolf1> ah that's not yet user authorization yet.. 2015-01-29T15:52:57 < Laurenceb> but this is a simple clone, so shouldnt be needed? 2015-01-29T15:54:16 < akaWolf1> dont even know.. try to upgrade your gir version 2015-01-29T15:54:31 < akaWolf1> 1.8.4.5 for me 2015-01-29T15:54:40 < akaWolf1> git( 2015-01-29T15:57:09 < akaWolf1> wget https://github.com/airspy/host/archive/master.zip instead of cloning xD 2015-01-29T15:58:24 < BrainDamage> having non functional clone for git is a problem that should be addressed regardless of obtaining the lib :p 2015-01-29T15:58:37 < _Sync_> ye 2015-01-29T15:59:07 < BrainDamage> if you pull from an already cloned repo from gayhub, do you still have a 403? 2015-01-29T15:59:11 < akaWolf1> Laurenceb: try git clone -vvv https://github.com/airspy/host 2015-01-29T15:59:21 < akaWolf1> paste-link here 2015-01-29T15:59:50 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-01-29T16:05:46 < karlp> nice descriptive repo name "host" 2015-01-29T16:07:08 < BrainDamage> are you sure you want hw/sw developed by bvrnoux? 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iirc you had problems with apt too 2015-01-29T17:57:23 < qyx_> giving you 403 2015-01-29T18:00:27 < Laurenceb> back 2015-01-29T18:00:50 < Laurenceb> yes, apt was giving 403 2015-01-29T18:01:41 < Laurenceb> but not any more 2015-01-29T18:05:09 < PaulFertser> woop: couldn't? How so? 2015-01-29T18:05:27 < woop> in the sense that I can't figure it out, at least 2015-01-29T18:06:17 < PaulFertser> woop: I can try to help if you show me the board schematics. 2015-01-29T18:06:36 < woop> this here is the datasheet: http://www.joinmx.com/mxchip_down/datasheet-EMW3162-V2.2.pdf 2015-01-29T18:06:54 < woop> I'm not able to find a datasheet on the dev board it's slotted into, though 2015-01-29T18:07:17 < woop> but this one here explains how to drop it into the debug modes 2015-01-29T18:07:19 < woop> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mi212t4y12i5vgj/AD0011_EMW316x_FirmwareUpdate.pdf?dl=0 2015-01-29T18:08:29 < woop> I've got a buspirate I'm going to try as soon as I have time to grab a cable for the jtag 2015-01-29T18:09:48 < woop> the jtag/serial interface is this guy: http://www.amazon.com/EMB-WICED-S-EMW3162-Development-Board-WICED/dp/B00PACJ2F2 2015-01-29T18:10:20 < woop> I can at least say that it's an ft232hl chip tied to the emw3162's jtag and serial lines 2015-01-29T18:11:22 < PaulFertser> woop: if you trace all the connections between ft232hl and the target, I'll get you an OpenOCD config. 2015-01-29T18:11:46 < woop> unplugging, now 2015-01-29T18:12:30 < woop> check that - a 2232hl 2015-01-29T18:12:51 < PaulFertser> woop: 2232hl is even better. And btw you're supposed to complain to the vendor that it doesn't provide you the board schematics. 2015-01-29T18:13:34 < woop> oh, for sure 2015-01-29T18:13:54 < woop> it's a sketchy chinese vendor with the very cheapest cortex-m I've ever seen with wifi, though 2015-01-29T18:14:17 < woop> I've got the continuity probes out now 2015-01-29T18:14:29 < woop> do you want just a mapping from the various jtag pins to pin #'s on the ft2232? 2015-01-29T18:15:09 < karlp> yes, 2015-01-29T18:15:26 < karlp> and he means the vendor of the developmenbt board, not the wireless module 2015-01-29T18:15:44 < woop> in this case, they are one in the same 2015-01-29T18:15:46 < woop> mxchip 2015-01-29T18:17:34 < PaulFertser> woop: yes, mapping to the pin numbers is ok. I've ft2232h datasheet handy :) 2015-01-29T18:17:46 < woop> I'm just using a probe and listening for beeeeeep 2015-01-29T18:20:24 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T18:23:22 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9871696 2015-01-29T18:23:27 < Laurenceb> anyone know whats wrong? 2015-01-29T18:28:47 < Steffanx> sudo apt-get install build-essential ? 2015-01-29T18:30:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.45.228] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T18:30:10 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: missing libc6-dev most probably. 2015-01-29T18:30:32 < Laurenceb> I have build-essential 2015-01-29T18:30:53 < Laurenceb> ah no libc6-dev 2015-01-29T18:32:20 < Laurenceb> no still fails 2015-01-29T18:32:42 < woop> I found these, so far: jtdi - 17 swclk - 16 jtdo - 18 rx - 38 tx - 39 2015-01-29T18:33:06 < woop> njrstand reset seem unconnected, but I have a reset button at my disposal 2015-01-29T18:33:23 < PaulFertser> woop: tms missing. Also would be good to know where the target's trst connected and how reset is handled (it's most likely connected too, probably via a transistor). 2015-01-29T18:35:18 < PaulFertser> woop: also, in this case you should have success with just about any config in ftdi/ provided you do not enable trst and srst. Can you share a log of a test run please (along with an invocation line)? 2015-01-29T18:39:15 < woop> Error: unable to open ftdi device with vid 0403, pid 6010, description 'Dual RS232' and serial '*' 2015-01-29T18:39:35 < woop> from openocd -f /usr/share/openocd/scripts/interface/ftdi/openocd-usb.cfg -f /usr/share/openocd/scripts/target/stm32f2x.cfg 2015-01-29T18:40:45 < woop> I found a pin called "SWDIO" connected to pin 19 on the ft2232 2015-01-29T18:41:23 < PaulFertser> woop: swdio is tms, right. 2015-01-29T18:41:36 < PaulFertser> woop: please show me your lsusb 2015-01-29T18:41:54 < woop> the relevant line: Bus 001 Device 021: ID 0a5c:43fa Broadcom Corp. 2015-01-29T18:42:13 < woop> is it that the stm32 is just acting like it's some sorta serial passthru to the wifi controller? 2015-01-29T18:42:54 < PaulFertser> woop: are you sure? It doesn't look like stock ftdi chip but if it really is, ok. 2015-01-29T18:43:18 < PaulFertser> woop: I suggest you copy tumpa-lite.cfg and change vid and pid there. Do not add ftdi_device_desc. 2015-01-29T18:43:56 < PaulFertser> woop: also, ensure you have rights to access the device. Might try with sudo initially. 2015-01-29T18:44:14 < woop> I've already gotten a root shell, just in case 2015-01-29T18:46:17 < woop> same still happens 2015-01-29T18:46:27 < PaulFertser> woop: it can't be same, really. 2015-01-29T18:46:31 < woop> I was able to get decently close using the nucleo instead 2015-01-29T18:46:37 < PaulFertser> woop: have you changed vid/pid? 2015-01-29T18:46:38 < woop> well, I can take a picture of the chip 2015-01-29T18:46:47 < woop> I haven't - maybe mxchip cloned it and didn't use the same 2015-01-29T18:47:10 < PaulFertser> woop: I mean take tumpa-lite config, change vid/pid in their to those matching your device. 2015-01-29T18:47:48 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.95.217] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-29T18:48:02 < woop> actually - just realized I was using the wrong vid/pid and should have used the lsusb results 2015-01-29T18:48:07 < PaulFertser> woop: btw, when using openocd you can type -f interface/blablbla instead of the full path. 2015-01-29T18:48:10 < woop> "Error: An adapter speed is not selected in the init script. Insert a call to adapter_khz or jtag_rclk to proceed." 2015-01-29T18:48:15 < woop> which is very promising 2015-01-29T18:48:36 < PaulFertser> woop: yes, add -c "adapter_khz 1000" after the end of your line. 2015-01-29T18:49:17 < PaulFertser> woop: hm, no, if you're really sourcing stm32f2x.cfg , it already has adapter_khz 2015-01-29T18:49:21 < woop> http://hastebin.com/opacowujud.vhdl 2015-01-29T18:49:51 < PaulFertser> woop: why target/bcm281xx.cfg ? 2015-01-29T18:49:57 < PaulFertser> woop: and congrats with working JTAG btw. 2015-01-29T18:50:06 < woop> why? because I'm prone to errors. 2015-01-29T18:50:10 < woop> thanks! 2015-01-29T18:50:22 < woop> holy cruds... now to figure out what I'm supposed to do now that I have it 2015-01-29T18:51:36 < PaulFertser> woop: now I'd connect with telnet and use "dump_image backup_stock_firmware.bin 0x08000000 " 2015-01-29T18:51:48 < woop> that sounds pretty smart 2015-01-29T18:52:37 < woop> how do I do that? 2015-01-29T18:52:53 < woop> or rather, does openocd just expose some port while it's running? 2015-01-29T18:52:53 < PaulFertser> woop: do what? 2015-01-29T18:53:04 < PaulFertser> woop: yes, telnet 4444, and remote gdb on 3333. 2015-01-29T18:53:11 < woop> tyty 2015-01-29T18:53:15 < PaulFertser> woop: read the official manual if in doubt ;) 2015-01-29T18:54:04 < woop> I'm actually getting a lot of complaints about configurable speed 2015-01-29T18:54:04 < karlp> (extended-remote on 3333) 2015-01-29T18:59:24 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-220-109.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-29T19:01:15 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-29T19:07:35 < woop> PaulFertser: to confirm, 0x100000 is the number of bits in 1m? 2015-01-29T19:08:40 < woop> oh - 0x100000000 bits 2015-01-29T19:09:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-neovvlwfmbxbevcp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-29T19:10:25 < woop> nvm, I'm bad at math right now, too 2015-01-29T19:10:29 < woop> I'll be back after testing some stuff out 2015-01-29T19:11:54 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-3.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T19:13:46 < woop> http://hastebin.com/satirakaxi.vbs since https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=0x800000+bits+to+mebibytes 2015-01-29T19:16:35 < woop> must be different memory regions for different parts of flash - I saw memory addresses mentioned in some of the literature, but it's mostly in chinese 2015-01-29T19:17:00 < woop> but that part was english 2015-01-29T19:17:06 < woop> anyway, thanks for all the help! 2015-01-29T19:17:09 < PaulFertser> woop: if it's stm32f2, just get the datasheet? 2015-01-29T19:17:33 < PaulFertser> woop: how much flash memory is it supposed to have 2015-01-29T19:17:40 < woop> I've been reading through both mxchip's literature on the emw3162 and st's literature on the stm32f205 2015-01-29T19:17:44 < woop> 1m 2015-01-29T19:18:09 < PaulFertser> woop: so 1M it is, according to your log. 2015-01-29T19:18:10 < woop> this guy: http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1575/LN1433/PF245094 2015-01-29T19:18:22 < PaulFertser> woop: but you request 8x more :) 2015-01-29T19:18:40 < woop> is that usually 1megabit or 1megabyte of flash? 2015-01-29T19:18:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T19:18:56 < woop> oh, silly me - it's got that on the page I linked 2015-01-29T19:19:14 < PaulFertser> woop: MByte means megabyte, yes :) 2015-01-29T19:19:18 < woop> ohhh, double silly me 2015-01-29T19:19:20 < woop> size in bytes 2015-01-29T19:21:33 < PaulFertser> woop: can you please try researching if this board really lacks any connection between ft2232h and the target? Once you figure it out, I'll send a suitable board config upstream so the others would benefit too, ok? 2015-01-29T19:22:02 < woop> what do you mean "lacks any connection"? 2015-01-29T19:22:15 < woop> also, successful dump! 2015-01-29T19:22:16 < woop> dumped 1048576 bytes in 36.165218s (28.314 KiB/s) 2015-01-29T19:23:21 < PaulFertser> woop: neither connected directly nor indirectly :) 2015-01-29T19:23:58 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-29T19:25:06 < woop> `I'll share thoughts on this later 2015-01-29T19:25:07 < woop> first, work 2015-01-29T19:25:11 < woop> gotta run 2015-01-29T19:25:17 < woop> thanks again! 2015-01-29T19:25:56 < PaulFertser> Welcome 2015-01-29T19:33:22 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-29T19:42:33 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 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2015-01-29T20:04:59 < woop> but it's off by one 2015-01-29T20:05:53 < woop> pretending to be one of these: http://se.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Broadcom/BCM943362WCD4_EVB/?qs=s5SkPsIz109hr14XETsOJA%3D%3D&kpid=1206495945&gclid=Cj0KEQiA0aemBRC8p87zv_mc5qYBEiQAiEEMQQtdWkNXrqJJKEPAckrKPwjUid2wuNyqkWUq52ct0IAaAvjg8P8HAQ 2015-01-29T20:05:59 < woop> but with a 3 at the end instead of a 4 2015-01-29T20:06:07 < woop> ie, BCM943362WCD3 2015-01-29T20:13:13 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T20:14:02 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-29T20:27:36 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T20:38:26 < Tectu> so how's beaky doing these days? 2015-01-29T20:38:48 < Steffanx> ask in #electronics 2015-01-29T20:38:59 < Tectu> oh, did he move out? 2015-01-29T20:41:54 < englishman> hows jarick been, i wonder 2015-01-29T20:42:14 < Steffanx> jarick, who's that? 2015-01-29T20:43:44 < englishman> unfunny troll 2015-01-29T20:44:17 < Steffanx> You could consider all trolls unfunny 2015-01-29T20:44:33 < Tectu> Steffanx, still remember that indian guy that came to #chibios twice a day with a different nick and asked for help on ChibiStudio for probably two months? 2015-01-29T20:44:41 < Tectu> fun fact: he didn't ever proceed. 2015-01-29T20:44:57 < Steffanx> i do 2015-01-29T21:11:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-29T21:12:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T21:14:37 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db704ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-29T21:17:19 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-29T21:22:20 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-29T21:23:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 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http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/comic-996-show-me-your-tits.html#comment-form 2015-01-29T23:23:40 < scummos> the guy running this website has serious issues 2015-01-29T23:25:35 < qyx_> seems so 2015-01-29T23:33:08 < Laurenceb__> "Randy's strip is a bulwark in the Western caucasian hegemony, his comma and comic omission doubly doubly so." 2015-01-29T23:46:07 < woop> biggest xkcd fan, ever 2015-01-29T23:56:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxesdfcbbpmzfxxs] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Fri Jan 30 2015 2015-01-30T00:07:58 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-87-48.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T00:08:48 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-87-48.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-30T00:09:03 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-232-217.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-30T00:15:19 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 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dongs> I am thinking about extending the sale an additional 48h since some people have a hard time accessing. Would give people all day Saturday to check out and hopefully ivan can say that this 3d shell should work. The more I can raise now the sooner I can get stuff out, which is why I am having such a big sale so early. If I can have another $1000 in sales this week I should be able to ship hexacharger before zano arives and 3d printed shells shortly after I receive mine 2015-01-30T02:56:43 < dongs> poor guy 2015-01-30T02:59:55 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T03:03:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T03:05:20 < Lux> sounds like some failed supposed to be funny remake 2015-01-30T03:05:51 < Lux> but the film is worth watching imo :-) 2015-01-30T03:11:07 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T03:15:51 < emeb> I think I found R2COM's commuter vehicle -> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/q1bw8yubgleibrv4ubpj.jpg 2015-01-30T03:16:01 -!- Nutter [~hehe@server.mesophase.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T03:18:17 -!- Nutter [~hehe@server.mesophase.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-30T03:18:32 -!- Nutter [~hehe@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:f62c:b508:6f00] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T03:23:26 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-30T03:31:38 < dongs> nice 2015-01-30T03:35:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-30T03:37:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T03:49:41 < Getty> dongs: wut?..... you should watch it..... for sure..... awesome story, awesome style, good acting, impressive ideas.... its just beautiful 2015-01-30T03:49:53 < dongs> people say same shit about 2015-01-30T03:50:00 < dongs> most of tarantino garbage 2015-01-30T03:50:16 < dongs> i.e. pulp fiction 2015-01-30T03:50:18 < Getty> hahaha yeah dont believe all people 2015-01-30T03:50:30 < Getty> pulp fiction is good, but its for sure not in compare to 5th element..... 2015-01-30T03:50:39 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxp8qPEwSXM 2015-01-30T03:51:13 < dongs> unfunny 2015-01-30T03:51:36 < BrainDamage> i tought that was the topic, bad reccomendations 2015-01-30T03:51:45 < Getty> lol 2015-01-30T04:05:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.138.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T04:08:15 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-30T04:08:24 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T04:09:46 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-30T04:15:15 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T04:26:08 < Getty> insane question, just curious, is there something like simple programmer solutions, like something that takes an SD card and has a button for flashing the chip? i mean of course its not hard to make a simple box with a raspberry or something, was just curious if there is that kind of stuff as product 2015-01-30T04:26:28 < dongs> there is for PIC32/Zano 2015-01-30T04:26:34 < dongs> not heard of something like that for STM32 tho 2015-01-30T04:26:38 < dongs> let's dickstart it 2015-01-30T04:26:45 < Getty> hehe :) you think would be useful? 2015-01-30T04:26:55 < dongs> no, but idiots will buy a nything 2015-01-30T04:27:02 < Getty> true 2015-01-30T04:27:16 < dongs> PICKIT or whatever thing has this mode 2015-01-30T04:27:17 < dongs> i believe 2015-01-30T04:27:23 < Getty> i would actually be for a small timeframe really in the position that i could have a use for that 2015-01-30T04:27:31 < dongs> you can 'load' some program file into its flash, then it becomes a 'field programmer' 2015-01-30T04:27:35 < dongs> where you just stick it and push button 2015-01-30T04:27:38 < Getty> yeah 2015-01-30T04:27:43 < Getty> that would be really awesome 2015-01-30T04:28:48 < Getty> just like easy handling in the context of splitted electronic <=> software development department 2015-01-30T04:29:38 < dongs> well, its not hard. all teh required bits are opensores 2015-01-30T04:29:52 < dongs> you can implement both SWD and UART/whatever based flashing 2015-01-30T04:29:57 < Getty> yeah, but then its the same work as setting up that linux pc for him and prepare a script to fire up for him 2015-01-30T04:30:49 < Getty> it actually might be really a cool product if you have an SD card on it with several images and a little display to pick it 2015-01-30T04:31:15 < Getty> but i dont think many companies need it really ;) 2015-01-30T04:31:27 < dongs> the only way it will sell is if it has tarduino flash mode 2015-01-30T04:31:49 < dongs> which is extra shitwork 2015-01-30T04:32:26 < Getty> mh, or you could m ake it just with an USB port where the programmer can be attached 2015-01-30T04:32:31 < Getty> and the software can handle a lot of them 2015-01-30T04:32:36 < dongs> pfft 2015-01-30T04:32:38 < Getty> lol 2015-01-30T04:32:39 < Getty> ;) 2015-01-30T04:33:21 < dongs> and 2015-01-30T04:33:26 < dongs> the BEST product name 2015-01-30T04:33:31 < dongs> FAP = Field Arduino Programmer 2015-01-30T04:33:33 < Getty> oh god what comes now 2015-01-30T04:33:35 < Getty> hahahah 2015-01-30T04:33:58 < dongs> 100k on dickstarter guaranteed 2015-01-30T04:33:59 < Getty> you could alos just do FAP = Flash All Programmer 2015-01-30T04:34:14 < dongs> no arduino in name = not gonna wokr 2015-01-30T04:34:18 < Getty> hheheheh 2015-01-30T04:34:31 < Getty> the FAP1000 2015-01-30T04:34:35 < Getty> heheheheheheheheehehehehehe 2015-01-30T04:34:47 < dongs> also, FAPR - Field Arduino Programmer (also) RaspberryPI 2015-01-30T04:35:00 < dongs> that will be the 200k stretchgoal 2015-01-30T04:35:14 < dongs> (doesnt actually have to do anything with raspberrypi, just print that extra text on pcb) 2015-01-30T04:35:56 < Getty> actually FAP3425 2015-01-30T04:36:21 < dongs> it will also need to include ESP8256 or wahtever 2015-01-30T04:36:24 < dongs> the wifi thing. 2015-01-30T04:36:36 < dongs> so you could do 2015-01-30T04:36:43 < Getty> well thats the second dickstarter 2015-01-30T04:36:54 < Getty> or thats the extra goal 1.000.000$ 2015-01-30T04:37:14 < Getty> "and if we get 1M we also add a fucking wifi chip!!!! WE ARE MAD!!!!" 2015-01-30T04:38:12 < dongs> also claim years and years of previous experience 2015-01-30T04:38:19 < dongs> with military and DoD contracts 2015-01-30T04:38:22 < dongs> that you can't name 2015-01-30T04:38:25 < dongs> cuz yanno, they're military 2015-01-30T04:38:26 < dongs> and thus top secret 2015-01-30T04:38:53 < Getty> ..... we actually can ;) 2015-01-30T04:39:06 < Getty> brazil border protection 2015-01-30T04:39:26 < Getty> but i dont know what hole detection would show here as competence ;) 2015-01-30T04:40:04 < Getty> i think the people dont care what you did before, they throw the money anyway at you if they like the keywords 2015-01-30T04:40:10 -!- Nutter [~hehe@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:f62c:b508:6f00] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-30T04:41:58 -!- Nutter [~hehe@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:f62c:b508:6f00] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T04:47:18 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-30T04:49:54 -!- dymk 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https://i.imgur.com/w3L9eNV.jpg 2015-01-30T05:25:12 < englishman> dongs: 5th element was ok 2015-01-30T05:25:14 < englishman> some funny parts 2015-01-30T05:25:28 < PeterM> needs more klansmen 2015-01-30T05:25:33 < englishman> some really cringe 2015-01-30T05:26:51 < englishman> also that battery drop was intentional 2015-01-30T05:27:00 < englishman> "wanted to see what would happen" 2015-01-30T05:27:30 < englishman> not like this --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3brSqp8_gM 2015-01-30T05:27:40 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-30T05:28:34 < dongs> oh, seen that before 2015-01-30T05:28:52 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T05:29:37 < PeterM> dudes gonna get a shock when he goes throug h there with a harvester 2015-01-30T05:29:49 < englishman> nah thats swamp 2015-01-30T05:29:50 < PeterM> a little bit of fire never hurt anywone 2015-01-30T05:29:51 < englishman> but it would be lol 2015-01-30T05:30:41 < PeterM> i dunno, the rows look a little too regular for a swamp 2015-01-30T05:31:32 < englishman> hm maybe 2015-01-30T05:31:46 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8CMb2Gv44 2015-01-30T05:48:35 < dongs> killchat'd 2015-01-30T05:50:37 < PeterM> dongle whats bloggin' 2015-01-30T05:55:14 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T05:57:27 < englishman> Dongs they are using #zano now 2015-01-30T05:58:02 < englishman> Nobody is seeing #flyzano 2015-01-30T05:59:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxesdfcbbpmzfxxs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-01-30T06:00:28 < dongs> englishman: https://www.zanosalons.com/ 2015-01-30T06:02:20 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T06:05:20 < dongs> englishman: k gonna stArt twitting with #zaNO 2015-01-30T06:05:48 < englishman> Subtle 2015-01-30T06:06:17 < dongs> https://twitter.com/OhhKae_Cheta/status/558318545239801857 2015-01-30T06:07:11 < dongs> how did they edit all their old twats iwth #flyzaNO -> #zano 2015-01-30T06:07:16 < dongs> i thought you cant edit 2015-01-30T06:07:39 < dongs> Can I edit a Tweet once I've posted it? 2015-01-30T06:07:39 < dongs> No, you can.t edit a Tweet once you have posted it, but you can delete it. Read more here. 2015-01-30T06:08:14 < dongs> Retweets are counted toward your 1,000 Tweets per day limit. Read more. 2015-01-30T06:08:15 < dongs> wut 2015-01-30T06:08:19 < dongs> there's a twat per day limit? 2015-01-30T06:10:30 < dongs> ooold 2015-01-30T06:10:58 < dongs> R2COM: no, i didnt make the report 2015-01-30T06:11:03 < dongs> but the guy who authored it is emailing me 2015-01-30T06:11:11 < dongs> i cant fucking view that site, tehy block JP + KR 2015-01-30T06:11:23 < dongs> i opened it through my usa box but it sslow as balls 2015-01-30T06:11:26 < dongs> no idea 2015-01-30T06:11:32 < dongs> i thought it was just jp, but it di dnt work when i was in best korea either 2015-01-30T06:11:47 < dongs> no i think its THEM blocking azns 2015-01-30T06:11:50 < dongs> probably racist 2015-01-30T06:12:09 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanocontrols/status/559779297574281216 2015-01-30T06:12:13 < dongs> oopsie 2015-01-30T06:12:27 < PeterM> it was workin for me the other day but now it isnt either 2015-01-30T06:12:45 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T06:14:35 < englishman> The look on footballer's face as he runs away with everyone's money :  priceless 2015-01-30T06:14:38 < dongs> global.rorcdn.com (54.253.249.146) 2015-01-30T06:14:38 < dongs> hmm 2015-01-30T06:14:40 < dongs> wtf 2015-01-30T06:14:49 < dongs> and it resolves to some amazon compute crap 2015-01-30T06:15:01 < dongs> but :80 to that is filtered 2015-01-30T06:15:44 < englishman> “As Marketing Director, it's my responsibility to release footage as and when I see fit.” 2015-01-30T06:15:44 < englishman> Reece 2015-01-30T06:16:12 < woop> you *go* to best korea? 2015-01-30T06:16:20 < dongs> its an hour flight 2015-01-30T06:16:26 < woop> I'm told my grandfather once went there 2015-01-30T06:16:47 < woop> or rather, was taken from his home and ended up in best korea 2015-01-30T06:17:12 < woop> but aren't those block usually because the gov says that you can get sued for that shit in that country? 2015-01-30T06:18:12 < woop> he's from other korea but got taken north during the war 2015-01-30T06:18:34 < woop> he walked back, eventually 2015-01-30T06:18:39 < woop> these are at least the stories I hear of him 2015-01-30T06:18:43 < dongs> woop: i found something on wikipedo about ripoffreport getting blocked by some random countries govt, but i think this azn block is from their end 2015-01-30T06:19:08 < woop> dongs: what I mean is that the gov decided that the site constitutes defamation in those countries, probably 2015-01-30T06:19:25 < woop> R2COM: he was just a dude living in the south when he got taken as a prisoner 2015-01-30T06:19:46 < woop> I guess he couldn't understand the glory of best korea 2015-01-30T06:19:53 < woop> not fighting 2015-01-30T06:19:55 < woop> just being a dude 2015-01-30T06:20:00 < woop> or not 2015-01-30T06:20:10 < woop> not really sure there - he didn't live that long after he walked home, though 2015-01-30T06:20:14 < woop> like... a handful of years 2015-01-30T06:20:27 < dongs> /wi woop 2015-01-30T06:20:57 < woop> yeah... I think my grandfather was just being, and a war happened, and he wasn't really that young or something 2015-01-30T06:22:18 < woop> not at all 2015-01-30T06:22:21 < woop> life isn't very glorious, though 2015-01-30T06:22:37 < woop> what will be glorious... is finally figuring out this wifi module 2015-01-30T06:22:57 < woop> I picked up this emw3162 recently and hope that it will solve all life's problems for me 2015-01-30T06:23:18 < woop> at least, all of the ones I have that can be solved by a microcontroller that has network accesss 2015-01-30T06:23:39 < dongs> wut 2015-01-30T06:23:43 < dongs> why not ESP8856 or whatever 2015-01-30T06:24:27 < woop> 8266? 2015-01-30T06:24:36 < dongs> whatever is the chinese $4 wifi thing 2015-01-30T06:24:44 < woop> I'll try those, too 2015-01-30T06:24:48 < woop> I'm trying whatever and seeing what works well 2015-01-30T06:24:56 < dongs> https://nurdspace.nl/ESP8266https://nurdspace.nl/ESP8266 that shit yeah 2015-01-30T06:25:01 < woop> the emw3162 is $10 and has a st32f205 2015-01-30T06:25:06 < dongs> ya that is nice 2015-01-30T06:25:13 < dongs> any idea whats on wifi side? 2015-01-30T06:25:17 < dongs> is it broadcom thing? 2015-01-30T06:25:19 < woop> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/EMW3162-WiFi-Module-p-2122.html 2015-01-30T06:25:26 < woop> yeah - supposedly works with wiced 2015-01-30T06:25:34 < woop> I'm still seeing if that's the case 2015-01-30T06:25:36 < dongs> sounds like same shit zano is using then 2015-01-30T06:26:13 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T06:26:25 < dongs> BCM43362 ? 2015-01-30T06:26:31 < woop> think so 2015-01-30T06:26:39 < woop> the broadcom chip does what broadcom does well 2015-01-30T06:26:44 < dongs> ah yeah, in ternet confirms 2015-01-30T06:26:45 < woop> and it's got an ST chip to do what ST does well 2015-01-30T06:26:53 < dongs> broadcom doesnt sell shit to anyone 2015-01-30T06:27:08 < dongs> k so its a zano clone 2015-01-30T06:27:18 < woop> just too bad that the F2 doesn't work with mbed 2015-01-30T06:27:22 < woop> F2xx 2015-01-30T06:27:29 < dongs> why wouldnt it 2015-01-30T06:27:38 < dongs> you mean "not out of the box" 2015-01-30T06:27:40 < woop> at least, it's not on their list of supported platforms 2015-01-30T06:27:42 < dongs> cuz its probly trivial to mod 2015-01-30T06:27:49 < woop> the software? 2015-01-30T06:27:51 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-30T06:28:01 < woop> yeah - check out repo, modify files, push back to mbed.org 2015-01-30T06:28:07 < woop> use modified libs 2015-01-30T06:28:26 < woop> the F2xx series is supposedly pin-compatible with the F4xx series 2015-01-30T06:28:29 < dongs> are tehre sores for the shit running on F2 on that module? 2015-01-30T06:28:32 < woop> but a cortex m3 2015-01-30T06:28:40 < dongs> or is it closedsores 2015-01-30T06:29:04 < dongs> hmpf its connected to broadcom by sdio 2015-01-30T06:29:06 < dongs> thats news 2015-01-30T06:29:10 < woop> https://github.com/willemwouters/EMW3162_WICED 2015-01-30T06:29:12 < dongs> i think lantronix shit used SPI 2015-01-30T06:29:15 < woop> that's what I'm using 2015-01-30T06:29:30 < woop> or rather, the sauce I'm trying to cook up to use 2015-01-30T06:29:50 < woop> I'm getting there 2015-01-30T06:29:57 < woop> this is my first embedded project 2015-01-30T06:30:10 < woop> I haven't done C or C++ in over 10 years 2015-01-30T06:30:16 < dongs> https://github.com/willemwouters/EMW3162_WICED/blob/master/WICED_SRC/WICED/RTOS/NoOS/WWD/Cortex_M3_M4/noos.c 2015-01-30T06:30:19 < dongs> whats this NoOS thing 2015-01-30T06:30:19 < woop> at least, not for more than a few hours at a time 2015-01-30T06:30:45 < woop> * Implementation of wiced_rtos.c for the case where no RTOS is used 2015-01-30T06:30:53 < dongs> oh, helps to read 2015-01-30T06:30:54 < woop> seems pretty straightforward if you read the first line of comments 2015-01-30T06:31:15 < dongs> * This is UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE of Broadcom Corporation; 2015-01-30T06:31:19 < dongs> why is it on shithub 2015-01-30T06:31:23 < woop> lol 2015-01-30T06:31:26 < dongs> sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen 2015-01-30T06:31:32 < woop> good thing I've already cloned it 2015-01-30T06:31:37 < woop> I think I have their version somewhere, too 2015-01-30T06:32:05 < dongs> It's fun to stay at the D-M-C-A 2015-01-30T06:32:05 < woop> what's weird is that the device it ID's itself is just 1 char off from the official wifi boards 2015-01-30T06:32:14 < dongs> core ID? 2015-01-30T06:32:16 < dongs> or something else 2015-01-30T06:32:22 < woop> thems http://www.broadcom.com/images/products/wiced/wiced_BCM943362WCD4.png 2015-01-30T06:32:24 < dongs> does 'wiced' shit run on the ebroadcom chip? 2015-01-30T06:32:31 < dongs> and then F2 runs the ip stack? 2015-01-30T06:32:51 < woop> I currently know nothing about how it works and am still figuring things out 2015-01-30T06:32:56 < woop> the flash apparently holds code for both 2015-01-30T06:33:18 < woop> not really sure how the stm actually controls the bcm stuff yet, tho 2015-01-30T06:34:05 < woop> this will tell you better than I can 2015-01-30T06:34:05 < woop> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mi212t4y12i5vgj/AD0011_EMW316x_FirmwareUpdate.pdf?dl=0 2015-01-30T06:34:09 < woop> especially if you can read chinese 2015-01-30T06:34:14 < woop> I can't 2015-01-30T06:34:28 < woop> wait, no - this one's one of the english ones 2015-01-30T06:34:31 < PeterM> dongs it could be worse, ive seen amazon s3 credentials ongithub lol 2015-01-30T06:35:08 < woop> I only just got jtag up and running thanks to PaulFertser 2015-01-30T06:35:16 < woop> had to leave it all be when I ran off for work 2015-01-30T06:35:38 < woop> oh the model number is BCM943362WCD3 2015-01-30T06:35:40 < woop> vs BCM943362WCD1 2015-01-30T06:35:50 < woop> 3 being this board and 1 being the official wifi one 2015-01-30T06:35:52 < dongs> thats probly just some bullshit 2015-01-30T06:35:53 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-30T06:37:16 < woop> at least, that's what windows thought when I was still on windows 2015-01-30T06:37:22 < woop> it was amusing, at least 2015-01-30T06:39:03 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-30T06:40:09 < woop> poorly documented chinese tech is so exciting, though! 2015-01-30T06:40:41 < dongs> ya, ESP8266 is even better 2015-01-30T06:40:48 < dongs> that shit ONLY came wiht chinese docs 2015-01-30T06:41:03 < dongs> im pretty sure that entire chip is made up of stolen IP 2015-01-30T06:41:33 < woop> at least it's <$5 2015-01-30T06:41:42 < woop> so there isn't a hacker that could resist its call 2015-01-30T06:41:49 < woop> mine are just in transit, still 2015-01-30T06:42:08 < woop> wanted to try out using just the esp8266 without another mcu and see if it's sufficient for this project 2015-01-30T06:42:23 < woop> I'm just driving lights on SPI 2015-01-30T06:42:33 < woop> 900 or so pixels, at first 2015-01-30T06:43:10 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T06:46:28 < woop> and I have an esp8266 on the way that has enough pins out to do lots of stuff 2015-01-30T06:47:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-30T06:48:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T06:50:20 < PeterM> forgot to take your phone wiht you? 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"In August a 16-year-old schoolgirl confessed to decapitating her classmate because she “wanted to dissect someone.”--AFP" 2015-01-30T07:54:44 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T08:22:48 -!- akawolf [~akawolf@188.162.64.11] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T08:23:00 -!- akawolf is now known as akaWolf1 2015-01-30T08:31:47 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-30T08:31:49 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T08:44:46 < woop> curiosity kills the Japanese. 2015-01-30T08:44:57 < woop> sometiems. 2015-01-30T09:01:27 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T09:19:54 < dongs> http://www.i-dong.com/resources/portal/upload/article/image/2011_2/5_19/k2qygnv12ru7.bmp 2015-01-30T09:24:10 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T09:26:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-30T09:26:40 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-30T09:28:35 < akaWolf1> you dong 2015-01-30T09:38:15 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T09:40:45 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T09:43:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-30T09:48:59 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-01-30T09:51:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T09:56:12 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:05:50 < PaulFertser> woop: https://github.com/nekromant/esp8266-frankenstein 2015-01-30T10:11:26 < akaWolf1> "Firmware is unstable and randomly reboots." 2015-01-30T10:11:31 < akaWolf1> nice 2015-01-30T10:12:44 < PeterM> the mark of a good opensores project 2015-01-30T10:13:08 < akaWolf1> :) 2015-01-30T10:13:15 < akaWolf1> it's not so 2015-01-30T10:13:52 < akaWolf1> gnu/linux, for example, using in most modern routers 2015-01-30T10:15:24 < PaulFertser> akaWolf1: "Stored setting from older SDK tend to confuse Espressif's blobs " 2015-01-30T10:15:49 < PaulFertser> PeterM: So in this specific case it's the mark of a usual closed-source project. 2015-01-30T10:16:16 < PaulFertser> PeterM: and nekromant provides an explanation and a usable workaround for it. 2015-01-30T10:16:35 < akaWolf1> PaulFertser: kk 2015-01-30T10:16:57 < akaWolf1> what is "Espressif's blobs"? 2015-01-30T10:17:07 < PaulFertser> The shit that drives wifi parts. 2015-01-30T10:17:39 < akaWolf1> it's the reason of reboots? 2015-01-30T10:18:28 < PaulFertser> Yes, if the blobs from newer SDK see config variables created with older SDK. 2015-01-30T10:18:54 < akaWolf1> ok, it's hard to understand, when just reading the ReadMe 2015-01-30T10:22:03 < PaulFertser> Well, English is not his native language. 2015-01-30T10:22:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-30T10:23:35 < PeterM> PaulFertserbut does the OFW have these random reboots after flashing but not clearing the settings? 2015-01-30T10:24:38 < PaulFertser> PeterM: I would expect so, yes. 2015-01-30T10:25:04 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-30T10:25:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:26:00 < PaulFertser> PeterM: come on, the firmware that comes with the module was only a muddy list of AT commands documented in chinese. What do you expect from an organisation running like that? 2015-01-30T10:26:38 < PaulFertser> s/the firmware/documentation for the firmware/ 2015-01-30T10:26:57 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-30T10:28:07 -!- Mr_Sheesh_AFK [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:28:08 -!- Mr_Sheesh_AFK is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2015-01-30T10:28:45 < PeterM> it to be described as a feature, to alert the user to know to clear the settings, duh. 2015-01-30T10:29:06 < PaulFertser> PeterM: and btw, did you have a chance to compare the code quality of proprietary software vs free software yourself, do you have enough statistics of your own? 2015-01-30T10:29:34 < PeterM> nah, i got more important things to do like type shit in IRC 2015-01-30T10:30:35 < akaWolf1> all clear 2015-01-30T10:30:46 < akaWolf1> no need to say more 2015-01-30T10:31:00 < PaulFertser> I didn't think proprietary software was _that_ horrible until I've seen enough myself. 2015-01-30T10:31:47 < PaulFertser> BTW, did any of you read the expert evidence in the Toyota case? Where he describes the shit-firmware running on the controller that can kill people? 2015-01-30T10:32:39 < PaulFertser> 11000 global variables, 16 tasks running on a RTOS with 0% CPU idle, etc? All that using memory without ECC? 2015-01-30T10:32:58 < PeterM> but it's cool, it's certified 2015-01-30T10:33:57 < PaulFertser> Yes, sort of. 2015-01-30T10:34:16 < PaulFertser> All the glory details: http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/Bookout_v_Toyota_Barr_REDACTED.pdf 2015-01-30T10:34:47 < PaulFertser> Or read "Chip and Skim: cloning EMV cards with the 2015-01-30T10:35:14 < PaulFertser> pre-play attack" http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.2531 , it's about how sane the bank community is, with "unpredictable numbers" etc. 2015-01-30T10:35:37 < akaWolf1> PaulFertser: did you read that document? :) 2015-01-30T10:35:54 < PaulFertser> akaWolf1: yes, every page. 2015-01-30T10:36:50 < PaulFertser> Another illustration, this time about professionally designed electronic locks, 10^7 of them deployed worldwide: http://demoseen.com/bhpaper.html . 2015-01-30T10:37:31 < PeterM> it's surprising how much security relies on security through obscurity rather than actual secure methods and procedures 2015-01-30T10:37:36 < GargantuaSauce> security in general is largely theatrics 2015-01-30T10:40:49 < PaulFertser> There was 18 tasks even, not 16 there. And watchdog was disabled because else it would trigger every now and then as the RTOS had no capacity to perform all those tasks. 2015-01-30T10:43:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-30T10:43:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:43:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-2.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-30T10:43:51 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-30T10:44:40 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:48:14 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:49:15 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:51:38 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:51:40 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-30T10:51:40 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:51:40 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-30T10:51:40 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:51:54 < qyx_> PaulFertser: lol that document 2015-01-30T10:52:05 < qyx_> i have read ~10 pages 2015-01-30T10:52:20 < qyx_> it seems that i will read all 2015-01-30T10:52:51 < woop> I think I hecked up 2015-01-30T10:54:17 < akaWolf1> qyx_: is it so interesting? 2015-01-30T10:54:26 < akaWolf1> qyx_: 81 pages.. 2015-01-30T10:56:46 < qyx_> the toyota one 2015-01-30T10:56:55 < woop> I think I did a bad flash - how would I put things bk again? 2015-01-30T10:57:03 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-30T10:57:21 < woop> I made a backup with: > dump_image backup_stock_firmware.bin 0x08000000 0x100000 2015-01-30T10:59:28 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T10:59:31 < akaWolf1> write_image backup_stock_firmware.bin 0x08000000 2015-01-30T10:59:32 < akaWolf1> no? ) 2015-01-30T11:03:54 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T11:09:28 < dekar> akaWolf1, I just read a bunch of pages, worth a read :) 2015-01-30T11:16:06 < akaWolf1> dekar: I guess so, didnt read 2015-01-30T11:20:16 -!- brabo [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-30T11:32:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T11:36:24 < akaWolf1> ow! 2015-01-30T11:36:28 < akaWolf1> you are here! 2015-01-30T11:37:44 -!- akaWolf1 [~akawolf@188.162.64.11] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-30T11:39:04 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T12:23:30 < qyx_> huh, heavy snow aroud vienna 2015-01-30T12:23:37 < qyx_> you can see it on a traffic map 2015-01-30T12:24:59 < qyx_> sh 2015-01-30T12:25:11 < dongs> lunix 2015-01-30T12:34:20 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T12:34:20 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-30T12:34:20 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T12:36:01 < karlp> Getty: re your flashing thing, both jeelabs and teensy/pjrc have those projects available 2015-01-30T12:45:18 < dongs> fuck teensy and fuck that fat fuck PJRC 2015-01-30T12:45:24 < dongs> fucking shithead for-profit cloner 2015-01-30T12:49:28 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-30T13:01:55 < GargantuaSauce> Dr. Koopman gave an example of a parody bit, an extra bit of information, additional bits of information that were like a partial copy that indicated something was wrong 2015-01-30T13:02:05 < GargantuaSauce> i really like "parody bit" 2015-01-30T13:06:04 < qyx_> lol, reading that too 2015-01-30T13:07:21 < dongs> why is number of tasks redacted 2015-01-30T13:07:41 < GargantuaSauce> because muh proprietary information 2015-01-30T13:08:30 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-30T13:10:49 < PaulFertser> dongs: only that it is not really redacted, they disclose it later by saying there are over 16M combinations of working/stopped tasks :) 2015-01-30T13:11:18 < GargantuaSauce> sooo 24 2015-01-30T13:11:32 < GargantuaSauce> that's pretty funny 2015-01-30T13:12:34 < PaulFertser> Yeah, censors don't know logarithms. 2015-01-30T13:12:48 < dongs> You're 2015-01-30T13:12:48 < dongs> 10 obviously not running Windows in your engine. If you were, 2015-01-30T13:12:48 < dongs> 11 it wouldn't be able to reboot in 11 feet at 60 miles an 2015-01-30T13:12:49 < dongs> 12 hour. 2015-01-30T13:13:09 < GargantuaSauce> i am not sure why he argues resetting on the go is a good thing 2015-01-30T13:13:36 < dongs> So the operating system performs a bit of magic where it time slices and selects, Oh, task 3 for a while, task 4 for a while, task X for a while, task 24 for a while, task 2 for a while. 2015-01-30T13:13:36 < GargantuaSauce> because then you just introduce the possibility of a bug where the computer just resets constantly 2015-01-30T13:13:40 < dongs> oops 2015-01-30T13:13:42 < dongs> not 2015-01-30T13:13:44 < dongs> note redacted 2015-01-30T13:13:59 < PaulFertser> Hehe 2015-01-30T13:17:08 < dongs> it takes that shit 410ms to reboot? 2015-01-30T13:17:10 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-30T13:17:28 < dongs> wait, 11 feet 2015-01-30T13:17:37 < dongs> 125ms 2015-01-30T13:17:40 < dongs> fucking retard units 2015-01-30T13:17:53 < qyx_> lol ynet.sk 2015-01-30T13:18:05 < dongs> hacked? 2015-01-30T13:18:19 < qyx_> no, our network 2015-01-30T13:18:27 < qyx_> sort of campus 2015-01-30T13:21:36 < karlp> what's so funny there? 2015-01-30T13:32:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T13:51:04 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@136.198.broadband11.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T14:05:44 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euhefaxodhdemkai] has quit [] 2015-01-30T14:05:58 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nscijppwiprdzcve] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T14:13:43 < qyx_> nothing really 2015-01-30T14:38:22 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@136.198.broadband11.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-30T14:41:22 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T14:42:12 < mitrax> hello, on the STM32F429, i'm using PA5 (ADC12_IN5) as ADC input, what ADC/channel is that? ADC1 or 2 and channel 5? i'm confused 2015-01-30T14:44:50 < karlp> probaly useable for either adc1 or adc2 2015-01-30T14:45:09 < karlp> check the diagram in the ref manual for adc1 vs adc2 connections 2015-01-30T14:45:26 < mitrax> alright 2015-01-30T14:45:27 < mitrax> thanks 2015-01-30T14:49:10 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.128.176] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T14:57:40 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Jan 30 14:57:40 2015 --- Log opened Fri Jan 30 14:57:46 2015 2015-01-30T14:57:46 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T14:57:46 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 113 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 112 normal] 2015-01-30T14:59:06 -!- Irssi: Join to ##stm32 was synced in 86 secs 2015-01-30T15:05:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-30T15:14:05 < kakeman> too much coffee 2015-01-30T15:18:41 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-30T15:19:47 < GargantuaSauce> is there such a thing?? 2015-01-30T15:20:59 < kakeman> when you have to fight throwing keyboard at monitor and then tipping off a whole table 2015-01-30T15:21:45 < GargantuaSauce> sounds like a typical friday to me 2015-01-30T15:24:18 < kakeman> ehat is interrupt tail chasing? 2015-01-30T15:26:29 < karlp> means it can enter the next ISR without returning first, saves a few cycles. 2015-01-30T15:26:37 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-30T15:26:50 < kakeman> sounds sensible 2015-01-30T15:27:54 < akaWolf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace 2015-01-30T15:33:57 -!- bezoka [~a@78.10.128.176] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-30T15:37:43 < Laurenceb> Cost $1 billion 2015-01-30T15:37:44 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-01-30T15:38:30 < kakeman> it's still going to be shiet 2015-01-30T15:38:44 < kakeman> and take another billion 2015-01-30T15:43:28 < kakeman> so coide doesn't actually change filenames when you change names in projectspace 2015-01-30T15:45:41 < kakeman> rename in explorer and change file location 2015-01-30T15:49:11 < kakeman> it's faster to create new file 2015-01-30T15:49:36 < GargantuaSauce> coide is based on eclipse right? 2015-01-30T15:49:39 < GargantuaSauce> try the refactor submenu 2015-01-30T15:51:39 -!- bezoka [~AndChat44@213.158.222.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T15:51:48 < kakeman> no such thing 2015-01-30T15:51:58 < GargantuaSauce> when you right click? 2015-01-30T15:52:01 < GargantuaSauce> maybe its a java only thing 2015-01-30T15:52:09 < kakeman> not there 2015-01-30T15:52:10 < kakeman> but 2015-01-30T15:52:31 < GargantuaSauce> i tried eclipse for c++ a few years ago. did not last very long. 2015-01-30T15:52:39 < kakeman> what is nasty is when you have error in debuging mode and can't find way to editor mode 2015-01-30T15:53:19 < GargantuaSauce> what is really fun is when you accidentally recurse infinitely and the ui breaks trying to display all the stack frames 2015-01-30T15:53:40 < GargantuaSauce> that is my favourite ide acid test 2015-01-30T15:58:28 < qyx_> 1300 line functions 2015-01-30T15:58:33 < qyx_> huh 2015-01-30T15:59:27 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T15:59:42 < kakeman> sounds fun 2015-01-30T15:59:49 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-30T16:00:25 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T16:09:02 < PeterM> PaulFertser, reading that document - wow, they done fucked up. 2015-01-30T16:09:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.128.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-30T16:09:28 < PeterM> PaulFertser, like even tarduino people wouldn't fuck up that bad. 2015-01-30T16:13:20 < PaulFertser> PeterM: I wouldn't bet on it :) 2015-01-30T16:13:53 -!- bezoka [~AndChat44@213.158.222.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-30T16:14:10 < PeterM> nah, there'd be a single atmega328p for every process 2015-01-30T16:14:24 < GargantuaSauce> all connected with i2c 2015-01-30T16:15:08 < PeterM> nah, they'd be unconnected because who actually needs that 2015-01-30T16:16:40 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-30T16:18:23 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T16:18:37 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T16:19:50 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T16:29:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.128.216] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T16:40:23 -!- brabo [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T16:44:34 < gxti> connected by each having their own ft232 (fake of course) plugged into a $2 hub plugged into a raspberry pi 2015-01-30T17:02:00 < qyx_> i considered buying toyota until now 2015-01-30T17:02:18 < dongs> haha 2015-01-30T17:02:23 < gxti> better not buy anything qyx_ 2015-01-30T17:02:27 < gxti> unless it's a space shuttle 2015-01-30T17:08:07 < kakeman> same thing for space shuttles 2015-01-30T17:12:01 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvVu3qfADgw 2015-01-30T17:13:27 < kakeman> drones every day 2015-01-30T17:13:53 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-30T17:15:12 < kakeman> it's bad for your innovation 2015-01-30T17:15:18 < dongs> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/01/the-insane-camera-rig-being-used-to-shoot-360-degree-oculus-porn/ 2015-01-30T17:15:20 < kakeman> to watch drone videos every day 2015-01-30T17:15:45 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-174.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T17:18:00 < kakeman> dongs: I got thrown at with this https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbW1CMXc1Y2Q0akU/view?usp=sharing 2015-01-30T17:18:54 < kakeman> I'm not too excited to fix and tune it 2015-01-30T17:21:07 < kakeman> not big enough to be a platform 2015-01-30T17:21:50 < kakeman> maybe some flying fun for 5minutes and then collect them pieces and put it into bin 2015-01-30T17:21:53 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-30T17:30:08 < kakeman> what is the difference between defining variable inside main function and before it? 2015-01-30T17:30:46 < kakeman> let's say first of main or last before main 2015-01-30T17:30:58 < kakeman> does binary look all the same 2015-01-30T17:32:38 < karlp> scope 2015-01-30T17:32:42 < kakeman> different scope 2015-01-30T17:32:43 < kakeman> yes 2015-01-30T17:38:33 < qyx_> Q. If we have this example and starts with the driver has their foot on the brake and they never let off the brake, they are trying to get it to stop, how long would this last? 2015-01-30T17:38:44 < qyx_> A. Mr. Arora, Toyota's expert, says it depends on how much fuel you have. 2015-01-30T17:38:46 < qyx_> the best part 2015-01-30T17:39:04 < gxti> typical engineer response 2015-01-30T17:39:52 < qyx_> quite unadequate response when they are asking about braking :> 2015-01-30T17:40:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-30T17:41:25 < kakeman> nice killing features they had 2015-01-30T17:41:41 < kakeman> why not just turn the key? 2015-01-30T17:42:09 < kakeman> or do they have these keyless keys 2015-01-30T17:48:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T17:48:48 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-84-40-254-131.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T17:50:46 < kakeman> is there same kind of global interupt flag in cortex cores than in 8bit avr? 2015-01-30T17:51:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T17:52:28 < kakeman> is there way to control many interrupts at once? 2015-01-30T17:53:14 < gxti> yes 2015-01-30T17:53:36 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-30T17:54:27 < dongs> damn dude 2015-01-30T17:54:30 < dongs> stop beaking around 2015-01-30T17:58:33 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-01-30T18:00:20 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:04:15 -!- dekar [~elias@171.216.69.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-30T18:07:07 -!- obarb [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:07:07 -!- obarb [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-30T18:09:15 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-30T18:09:15 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-30T18:11:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.11] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:18:00 < dongs> https://github.com/ldo/dvd_menu_animator/blob/master/spuhelper.c#L311 holy fuck this indent style 2015-01-30T18:19:23 < dongs> oh god line 400+ 2015-01-30T18:25:47 -!- dekar [~elias@110.184.204.40] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:27:50 < emeb> wait what? indent to the paren, then indent more? 2015-01-30T18:28:16 < dongs> aids, i tell you 2015-01-30T18:28:30 < karlp> that looks like something went wrong pasting it from somewhere else. surely no-one actually typed it like that 2015-01-30T18:28:58 < karlp> hrm, maybe, 478-479 is weird too 2015-01-30T18:29:40 < karlp> big loops inside while {false} suggest to me macro expansion shit or generated code 2015-01-30T18:30:31 < dongs> no, thats the guys style 2015-01-30T18:30:35 < dongs> tehres a huge torllthread about it on lwn.net 2015-01-30T18:30:49 < karlp> why are you reading lwn.net? :) 2015-01-30T18:30:53 < dongs> im not 2015-01-30T18:30:56 < dongs> some dickhead is, and pasting me this shit 2015-01-30T18:30:57 < dongs> likei care 2015-01-30T18:31:00 < dongs> so im just retweeting 2015-01-30T18:31:06 < karlp> where are the trollthreads? 2015-01-30T18:31:15 * jpa- slaps Tectu 2015-01-30T18:31:16 < dongs> http://lwn.net/Articles/627747/ 2015-01-30T18:31:22 < Tectu> jpa-, don't do that. please. 2015-01-30T18:31:33 < dongs> but you have to click somewehre to go to top of the dicusssion 2015-01-30T18:31:35 < jpa-> but but you... 2015-01-30T18:31:37 < dongs> ldo is the guy trolling 2015-01-30T18:32:19 < jpa-> oh hey, it's the same indent style as in nuttx 2015-01-30T18:32:32 < jpa-> as in, totally nutts 2015-01-30T18:33:32 * Tectu slaps jpa- back 2015-01-30T18:33:36 < Tectu> see, you don't like it either 2015-01-30T18:34:22 < qyx_> wat line 424 2015-01-30T18:34:45 < dongs> dvd menus have like 4 color shits 2015-01-30T18:34:52 < qyx_> what the hell is this spaghetti 2015-01-30T18:35:04 < woop> PaulFertser: didn't even realize that I'd accosted you in a completely different channel 2015-01-30T18:37:02 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:41:27 < PeterM> PaulFertser, still reading 2015-01-30T18:41:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-30T18:42:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-30T18:43:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:45:48 < Tectu> dongs, I want to put a compaing on Kickstarter to gather 2M $ to send a swarm of zanos to orbit 2015-01-30T18:46:16 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:46:57 < dongs> do it 2015-01-30T18:47:01 < dongs> no, do a dickstarter for a zano accessory 2015-01-30T18:47:05 < dongs> like a charger 2015-01-30T18:47:13 < dongs> http://oakbanktech.com/ like this guy lol 2015-01-30T18:47:15 < Getty> 2M is not enough, make it 5M! 10M! 1 TRILLION DOLLAR!!!!! 2015-01-30T18:47:28 < Getty> 2015-01-30T18:48:14 < Tectu> how dramatic is the dramatic music in my head supposed to be, Getty ? 2015-01-30T18:49:01 -!- bezoka [~a@dynamic-84-40-254-131.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-30T18:49:08 < Getty> VERY dramatic, and also add dramatic white cat 2015-01-30T18:49:15 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-174.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2015-01-30T18:50:23 < Tectu> done 2015-01-30T18:51:01 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-30T18:53:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T18:53:51 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-30T18:54:03 < dongs> http://wondermark.com/c/2015-01-29-1097right.png 2015-01-30T19:09:24 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T19:10:25 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-30T19:19:17 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T19:19:19 < kakeman> arm64? what is happening? 2015-01-30T19:20:18 < kakeman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#64-bit there must be need to have bigger numbers in phone specs 2015-01-30T19:21:03 < Steffanx> dont all fancy phones already come with a 64bit ARM? 2015-01-30T19:22:07 < kakeman> is there real reasoning behind it? 2015-01-30T19:24:18 < kakeman> maybe to get bigger address space at first 2015-01-30T19:24:40 < kakeman> so than phones with 64GB of ram could be sold 2015-01-30T19:25:21 < karlp> you mean more than 4gig right. 2015-01-30T19:25:44 < jpa-> 4GB ram in tablets is not even rare anymore 2015-01-30T19:25:51 < karlp> aarch64 doesn't hve 64bit addressing anyway iirc, because really, that's silly 2015-01-30T19:25:59 < jpa-> and address space starts to run out even before 4GB 2015-01-30T19:44:43 < Getty> kakeman: but you do know that they also make ARM servers? ;) 2015-01-30T19:46:27 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-30T19:46:31 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-30T19:47:10 < kakeman> for some stuff certainly 2015-01-30T19:47:23 < kakeman> processing clusters 2015-01-30T19:47:58 < dekar> I just started using 16 Mbits of RAM with my STM32, that's more than enough! :D 2015-01-30T19:48:44 < Getty> there is never enough..... 2015-01-30T19:49:41 < kakeman> for what use? 2015-01-30T19:50:45 < Getty> just doing more! 2015-01-30T19:51:23 < Getty> dont bother me with details ;) 2015-01-30T19:54:39 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host33-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-30T19:57:12 < kakeman> less is the thing 2015-01-30T19:57:17 < kakeman> do all with less 2015-01-30T19:57:28 < kakeman> and less is more 2015-01-30T19:59:33 < kakeman> volatile uint32_t adc_cycles = 0; 2015-01-30T20:01:48 < kakeman> puttypaste. and resources are always finite 2015-01-30T20:05:42 < dongs> need more ram for z ano 2015-01-30T20:07:35 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:07:35 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:08:45 -!- Getty [getty@clanid.net] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 2015-01-30T20:08:58 -!- Getty [getty@clanid.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:09:03 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:09:25 -!- ds2 [noinf@rehut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:09:25 -!- gxti [~gxti@columbia.partiallystapled.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:09:25 -!- kakeman [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:10:05 -!- gxti [~gxti@columbia.partiallystapled.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:10:10 -!- kakeman [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:12:19 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:13:08 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host10-3-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:19:25 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:21:24 -!- ds2 [noinf@rehut.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:21:41 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:21:52 < jpa-> http://www.aamulehti.fi/Ulkomaat/1194957250480/artikkeli/pikkutytto+teki+satoja+jalanjalkia+lumeen+parkkipaikalla.html finnish newspaper reports: little girl made footsteps in snow in japan 2015-01-30T20:22:37 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T20:24:03 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-30T20:26:23 < dongs> you guys dont have any murder/etc news to report? 2015-01-30T20:26:43 < kakeman> jpa-: please don't bring fin shiet media here 2015-01-30T20:27:17 < jpa-> dongs: nope, no murders in finland 2015-01-30T20:27:38 < _Sync_> wow. 2015-01-30T20:27:40 < _Sync_> such news 2015-01-30T20:30:24 < jpa-> in other news: 500 EUR per year tuition proposed by goverment, widely opposed; local ice hockey hall turns 50 years old; traffic lights out of operation at one intersection 2015-01-30T20:31:38 < kakeman> what is really fun is that people link all these news on their facebook walls 2015-01-30T20:32:12 < qyx_> still better than 5 died in a car accident, 2 died under a fallen tree, 1 died under an avalanche 2015-01-30T20:32:14 < jpa-> less boring than their lives, surely 2015-01-30T20:59:19 < englishman> its too cold to murder anybody 2015-01-30T21:06:29 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T21:07:39 < Fleck> http://www.buyincoins.com/item/57406.html#.VMvVtc2UcU4 << keywords - "for arduino" :D 2015-01-30T21:13:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-30T21:14:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.119.232] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T21:19:05 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-30T21:32:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T21:32:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T21:41:08 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-87-48.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T21:46:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T22:06:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-30T22:07:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T22:10:41 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T22:21:58 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-30T22:26:45 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: ABLomas] 2015-01-30T22:32:39 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: 500EUR - Bah! In the UK it's over 9000! 2015-01-30T22:33:40 < jpa-> yeah, which is why students here aren't very happy about the tuition idea at all 2015-01-30T22:34:03 < jpa-> once one is in place, easy to raise it without bounds 2015-01-30T22:35:58 < Steffanx> at least you finnish guys know how governments work 2015-01-30T22:36:46 < Steffanx> They are raising it here every year 2015-01-30T22:38:56 < zyp> I also made footsteps in snow yesterday 2015-01-30T22:39:46 < Steffanx> i did it this morning. 2015-01-30T22:40:09 < jpa-> i made only biketracks 2015-01-30T22:43:08 < qyx_> my footsteps today were more like pool steps 2015-01-30T22:43:24 < qyx_> 25cm od snow and suddenly it began to melt 2015-01-30T22:44:16 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/UxJMGTr.jpg 2015-01-30T22:46:58 < qyx_> s/to melt/melting 2015-01-30T22:48:09 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T22:49:26 < jpa-> "began to melt" is grammatically ok also 2015-01-30T22:49:49 < qyx_> mhm, k 2015-01-30T22:54:56 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T22:55:26 < Steffanx> you can always ask GargantuaSauce to turn that sentence is some poetry 2015-01-30T22:55:32 < Steffanx> *in 2015-01-30T22:59:38 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-30T23:12:16 < qyx_> gxti: you did some research for possible chibios replacements, did you find anything useful besides coos and freertos? 2015-01-30T23:12:48 < qyx_> maybe i will try chibios's nil 2015-01-30T23:12:55 < zyp> what part of chibios is it that you'd like to replace? 2015-01-30T23:15:24 < qyx_> scheduler 2015-01-30T23:15:40 < qyx_> with something without too many dependencies 2015-01-30T23:16:05 < qyx_> like calling some systick handler and thats all 2015-01-30T23:16:49 < zyp> you could always roll your own :p 2015-01-30T23:16:57 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T23:17:26 < PaulFertser> qyx_: freertos is pretty minimal already. 2015-01-30T23:17:56 < Roklobsta> i rolled my own scheduler for AVR. not very hard. 2015-01-30T23:18:30 < Roklobsta> the killer is all the pops and pushes. 2015-01-30T23:18:38 < qyx_> ok, nil can't create threads at runtime 2015-01-30T23:18:42 < Roklobsta> on a context switch 2015-01-30T23:19:23 < zyp> nah, I'd say the context switch is the easy part 2015-01-30T23:19:39 < Roklobsta> i mean killer in terms of cpu use 2015-01-30T23:19:42 < qyx_> and yes, then theres some sort of ipc 2015-01-30T23:19:57 < qyx_> which i also need to preplace 2015-01-30T23:20:10 < Roklobsta> mailboxes? 2015-01-30T23:20:45 < qyx_> mutexes, semaphores, message queues 2015-01-30T23:21:05 < Roklobsta> coupla days 2015-01-30T23:21:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.119.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-30T23:26:13 < qyx_> ok, i'll try freertos again 2015-01-30T23:27:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-30T23:27:42 < PaulFertser> I like freertos, it's simple and quite powerful. Has different IPCs, priority inheritance, stack watermarking so you can check if you allocated enough for the task etc. Can't really understand what people don't like about it, apart from the naming scheme. 2015-01-30T23:28:12 < qyx_> yep, the naming scheme, but chibios has even worse one 2015-01-30T23:29:05 < PaulFertser> It's also quite flexible in dealing with hardware ISR priorities, i.e. you can have ISRs that are super-prioritized and can preempt anything but shouldn't call freertos functions, and you can have ISRs that can preempt freertos scheduler (and any running task obviously) and can call scheduler functions. 2015-01-30T23:29:39 < qyx_> hm, have you tried mpu support? 2015-01-30T23:32:20 < PaulFertser> Not yet. 2015-01-30T23:32:55 < PaulFertser> But the sources seem to be quite clean, I'm sure it's way easier than rolling your own. 2015-01-30T23:32:59 < ds2> heh... other folks are looking at uCLinux on the M4 2015-01-30T23:35:21 < qyx_> PaulFertser: actually i am quite surprised - consistent style, readable, documented 2015-01-30T23:36:01 < GargantuaSauce> god damn it i am not eloquent fuck your slander Steffanx 2015-01-30T23:36:57 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-30T23:39:12 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] --- Day changed Sat Jan 31 2015 2015-01-31T00:02:59 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-31T00:03:40 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T00:15:32 < GargantuaSauce> back to reading the toyota thing. holy fuck the incident reports 2015-01-31T00:17:11 < englishman> oooooh 2015-01-31T00:17:13 < englishman> link? 2015-01-31T00:17:20 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/Bookout_v_Toyota_Barr_REDACTED.pdf 2015-01-31T00:17:28 < englishman> i remember a woz blogpost, he said he could recreate 100% 2015-01-31T00:25:37 -!- arturo182 [~arturo182@188.226.158.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T00:26:38 -!- arturo182 [~arturo182@188.226.158.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T00:27:11 < qyx_> i should implement some parody bits in my software 2015-01-31T00:29:33 < GargantuaSauce> irony is functionally equivalent to xor already so you can just rename existing parity checks 2015-01-31T00:30:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T00:30:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-31T00:31:02 < _Sync_> GargantuaSauce: where are they? 2015-01-31T00:31:15 < GargantuaSauce> they start at page 120 or something 2015-01-31T00:31:24 < GargantuaSauce> it's all worth reading though 2015-01-31T00:31:44 < GargantuaSauce> wait no that was 120 on the scanned pages fuck 2015-01-31T00:32:15 < GargantuaSauce> p200 2015-01-31T00:32:43 < PaulFertser> Let's make this phrase a channel meme, and ask the newcomers whether they have used enough "parody bits" or something? :) 2015-01-31T00:32:44 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-31T00:33:30 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T00:33:57 < englishman> While attempting to enter a parking space the 2015-01-31T00:33:57 < englishman> 6 vehicle suddenly accelerated and caused a crash into a 2015-01-31T00:33:57 < englishman> 7 guardrail and wall. 2015-01-31T00:34:01 < englishman> this shit happens all the time 2015-01-31T00:34:05 < englishman> mistake gas with brake 2015-01-31T00:34:33 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-01-31T00:34:39 < _Sync_> most of the people were fucking cocks 2015-01-31T00:34:43 < GargantuaSauce> yeah they're not all unequivocally presented as examples of the same issue 2015-01-31T00:34:55 < englishman> "i mashed the brake but the car sped up" 2015-01-31T00:35:10 < englishman> yeah but why allow that nonsense if its unrelated 2015-01-31T00:35:11 < GargantuaSauce> his testimony of the quality of the design is a lot more damning 2015-01-31T00:35:17 < englishman> some stuff is relevant 2015-01-31T00:35:19 < englishman> yeah 2015-01-31T00:35:22 < englishman> lots of content there 2015-01-31T00:36:33 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T00:36:55 < superbia> j/k 2015-01-31T00:36:59 < superbia> How does Moses make his tea? 2015-01-31T00:37:12 < englishman> jews dont drink tea 2015-01-31T00:37:35 < superbia> englishman: Hebrews it. 2015-01-31T00:37:40 < englishman> sigh :D 2015-01-31T00:38:13 < englishman> She was at a complete stop and the vehicle surged 2015-01-31T00:38:13 < englishman> 19 ahead unexpectedly. She still had her foot on the brake 2015-01-31T00:38:13 < englishman> 20 when the vehicle surged. 2015-01-31T00:38:15 < englishman> cool 2015-01-31T00:39:28 < GargantuaSauce> ha they slipped up and missed a redaction. watchdog frequency is 5Hz 2015-01-31T00:40:50 < GargantuaSauce> and there's a task executed every 1ms, probably not "task X" 2015-01-31T00:41:34 < englishman> My current rate in this case is 525 an hour. 2015-01-31T00:41:35 < englishman> O.o 2015-01-31T00:41:36 < PaulFertser> US drivers are so sloppy, if you already have your foot on the break, just press it damn harder, any consumer engine will not be able to push through full braking. 2015-01-31T00:41:46 < englishman> Probably be thousands of hours. 2015-01-31T00:41:46 < englishman> 22 Q. Like two, three thousand hours? 2015-01-31T00:41:46 < englishman> 23 A. I don't know for sure. 2015-01-31T00:41:52 < GargantuaSauce> expert witnesses make serious bank man 2015-01-31T00:41:55 < englishman> thats a lot of lawyer $ 2015-01-31T00:42:15 < superbia> saleae compatible analyzer costs huw much? 2015-01-31T00:42:20 < englishman> $8 2015-01-31T00:42:21 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-31T00:42:23 < superbia> link? 2015-01-31T00:42:28 < GargantuaSauce> PaulFertser: they note that having the throttle open raises the pressure of the vacuum supply which affects the brakes 2015-01-31T00:42:29 < superbia> cant find on ebay 2015-01-31T00:42:29 < englishman> google.com 2015-01-31T00:42:42 < superbia> i know its some taobao or other chineese shit 2015-01-31T00:42:52 < englishman> aliexpress 2015-01-31T00:42:53 < GargantuaSauce> so there's actually a situation where the throttle overrides the brakes 2015-01-31T00:43:00 < GargantuaSauce> i dont know why they didnt make a stink about tha 2015-01-31T00:43:15 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/351142868115 2015-01-31T00:43:16 < superbia> ty 2015-01-31T00:43:22 < englishman> its $10 sorry 2015-01-31T00:43:41 < superbia> i wanted the 8$ 2015-01-31T00:43:49 < superbia> any place i can get it for 8$? 2015-01-31T00:44:06 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: you can engage brakes even without the vacuum supply altogether. I've driven a car without one for years. 2015-01-31T00:44:15 < englishman> are times that tough superbia 2015-01-31T00:44:23 < GargantuaSauce> i dunno i am just regurgitating what i read 2015-01-31T00:44:33 < GargantuaSauce> might be specific to this design? 2015-01-31T00:44:34 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: imagine the engine shuts of due to lack of fuel, then you're loosing vacuum too, but you still can break. Just push harder. 2015-01-31T00:44:45 < superbia> englishman: why pay more 2015-01-31T00:44:46 < GargantuaSauce> that actually is not always the case 2015-01-31T00:44:59 < englishman> GargantuaSauce: this only really affects power braking, and doesnt change brake pressure when already pressed 2015-01-31T00:45:02 < englishman> it just makes the brakes softer 2015-01-31T00:45:21 < englishman> assuming it uses engine vacuum of course, no reservoir 2015-01-31T00:45:31 < englishman> even 1979 vw rabbit had vacuum reservoir 2015-01-31T00:45:47 < englishman> and modern cars have vac pumps so you can brake all you want 2015-01-31T00:45:49 < GargantuaSauce> that is actually a pretty funny term 2015-01-31T00:45:55 < GargantuaSauce> "in this tank we hold....nothing" 2015-01-31T00:46:01 < englishman> :) 2015-01-31T00:46:10 < _Sync_> wtf 2015-01-31T00:46:18 < _Sync_> why did they redact the amount of tasks they run 2015-01-31T00:46:20 < GargantuaSauce> as much nothing as possible 2015-01-31T00:46:28 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the redactions are stupid 2015-01-31T00:47:04 < englishman> like they redacted maximum throttle plate angle 2015-01-31T00:47:12 < englishman> come on 2015-01-31T00:47:27 < englishman> such industry secret wow 2015-01-31T00:48:13 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 1.1.1"] 2015-01-31T00:49:23 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-01-31T00:49:52 < _Sync_> you just ask keihin what their OEM throttle body does 2015-01-31T00:54:33 < qyx_> i came to a conclusion that its actually those industrial secrets that threaten our lives 2015-01-31T00:55:13 < qyx_> unauditable pieces of junk 2015-01-31T00:56:16 < qyx_> like the "source code room", wtf 2015-01-31T00:57:34 < zyp> better make a gnu car then 2015-01-31T00:57:51 < Laurenceb__> hurd car 2015-01-31T00:58:30 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T01:01:05 < qyx_> i wasn't about to suggest this kind of thing 2015-01-31T01:01:15 < qyx_> but that might work 2015-01-31T01:01:36 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-135-136.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T01:07:25 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-31T01:08:51 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T01:13:27 < englishman> buy 1971 alfa romeo with webbers 2015-01-31T01:15:12 < GargantuaSauce> p253 is funny 2015-01-31T01:25:51 < Steffanx> im sorry GargantuaSauce 2015-01-31T01:25:59 < GargantuaSauce> you better be 2015-01-31T01:30:03 < dekar> http://pastebin.com/pJQVmVud 2015-01-31T01:30:27 < dekar> that frickin' STM32 is pushing nearly 7MB/s 2015-01-31T01:35:27 < qyx_> F4? 2015-01-31T01:35:54 < qyx_> i was testing tcp last time on F107, don't remember exact results 2015-01-31T01:36:23 < Steffanx> Something in me tells me your next goal is SPDY support, dekar 2015-01-31T01:37:13 < dekar> it's an F417 2015-01-31T01:37:30 < dekar> and I also have working CGI with the latest Lua :D 2015-01-31T01:39:18 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp163.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-31T01:40:02 < dekar> http://pastebin.com/FkURxzSw 2015-01-31T01:40:23 < dekar> 8ms for dynamic CGI isn't too bad IMO 2015-01-31T01:41:00 < dekar> but it's not optimized at all, every access re-compiles the Lua to bytecode and starts a new VM 2015-01-31T01:42:34 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-31%2007%3A35%3A52.png 2015-01-31T01:44:06 < dekar> the Lua code: http://pastebin.com/5gCiNPLY 2015-01-31T01:54:25 < Laurenceb__> Yes. So the source code consisted of for a particular vehicle on the order of a million lines of code 2015-01-31T01:54:28 < Laurenceb__> WHYYYYYYYY 2015-01-31T01:54:49 < Laurenceb__> oh maybe for the entire vehicle.. its not clear 2015-01-31T01:55:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-31T02:02:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:15:25 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-135-136.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T02:18:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6efb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:18:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6efb70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-31T02:34:06 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T02:34:37 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:36:47 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-31T02:37:31 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:38:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:38:31 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-31T02:40:16 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T02:40:45 -!- amstan [~amstan@23.91.149.171] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:41:05 -!- amstan [~amstan@23.91.149.171] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-31T02:41:06 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:41:48 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T02:55:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-01-31T03:11:45 -!- Mr_Sheesh is now known as Mr_Sheesh_ 2015-01-31T03:20:28 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2015-01-31T03:26:20 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T03:37:06 -!- MjrTom [MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has quit [Quit: Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do] 2015-01-31T03:38:18 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-31T03:41:19 < dongs> whats new with zano 2015-01-31T03:41:21 < dongs> is it february yet 2015-01-31T03:42:34 < dongs> o shit 2015-01-31T03:42:35 < dongs> new update 2015-01-31T03:42:47 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@5.80.115.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-31T03:45:21 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpq0shCXaM#t=66 bwahahah the zano case looks like a fucking portapotty 2015-01-31T03:45:28 < PeterM> dongs, Update#15 here is some made up computer renderings 2015-01-31T03:46:13 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T03:48:31 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T03:49:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T03:49:16 < PeterM> Jordan Duwa 2015-01-31T03:49:25 < PeterM> Torquing Group Ltd 2015-01-31T03:49:37 < PeterM> anuary 2015 – Present (1 month) 2015-01-31T03:49:38 < dongs> ITILIZE EVERY SINGLE SPACE 2015-01-31T03:49:44 < dongs> um 2015-01-31T03:49:47 < dongs> that render is aaaaancient 2015-01-31T03:49:52 < dongs> thats been around for liek 2 months now 2015-01-31T03:49:56 < dongs> i thought they were redoing everything 2015-01-31T03:50:32 < dongs> i think even their offices are fake 2015-01-31T03:50:34 < Roklobsta> yeah coz they have to pony up a real product now 2015-01-31T03:50:50 < dongs> why the fuck would his desk have nothing on it 2015-01-31T03:51:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-31T03:51:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2015-01-31T03:51:07 < PeterM> because hes only been there a month 2015-01-31T03:51:30 < PeterM> although, my desk is usualyl covered in shit in a month 2015-01-31T03:51:43 < Roklobsta> so is mine 2015-01-31T03:51:45 < Roklobsta> always 2015-01-31T03:52:01 < Roklobsta> blobs of solder, cut bits of wire. 2015-01-31T03:52:09 < Roklobsta> the odd resistor 2015-01-31T03:52:23 < dongs> also 2015-01-31T03:52:26 < dongs> why does that guy even exist??? 2015-01-31T03:52:34 < dongs> ivan has bene posting that he's been routing traces 2015-01-31T03:52:37 < dongs> for last 2 months 2015-01-31T03:52:41 < dongs> where does this guy come in 2015-01-31T03:53:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T03:53:45 < dongs> Right, I have only a handful 2015-01-31T03:53:45 < dongs> of PCB traces left to lay and I desperately want to get the 3D rendering to you all 2015-01-31T03:53:48 < dongs> jan 8 2015-01-31T03:53:51 < dongs> today. 2015-01-31T03:54:05 < dongs> I'm 2015-01-31T03:54:05 < dongs> so excited to get the next version of Zano back, I've got a few traces to lay on the PCB 2015-01-31T03:54:09 < dongs> then off to have the PCB made and Camtronics will load them. Won't be long now until 2015-01-31T03:54:12 < dongs> we can post video of the production version of Zano. 2015-01-31T03:54:15 < dongs> jan 4 2015-01-31T03:54:30 < dongs> You have 2015-01-31T03:54:31 < dongs> about 90 minutes until I need to place the leds and finish drawing all the PCB traces. 2015-01-31T03:54:34 < dongs> jan 3 2015-01-31T03:54:37 < upgrdman> tempted to not be a cheap bastard and buy some top quality pliers, cutters and tweezers. do you guys have any preferences or dislikes? 2015-01-31T03:55:03 < upgrdman> wiha stuff looks nice. esd lineup is pretty. 2015-01-31T03:56:45 < dongs> jap pliers = <3 2015-01-31T03:57:07 < upgrdman> links? 2015-01-31T03:57:29 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-01-31T03:59:01 < dongs> http://www.engineer.jp/index_e.html 2015-01-31T03:59:07 < dongs> looks like they keep thier english page in sync 2015-01-31T03:59:09 < dongs> check pdf catalog 2015-01-31T04:00:25 < upgrdman> poking around their site. cool. i think i have an engineer brand ceramic trim cap tool 2015-01-31T04:00:50 < dongs> tehy make that cheap JST crimper 2015-01-31T04:00:53 < dongs> that sparkfuck used to sell 2015-01-31T04:01:18 < dongs> and their needle pliers/tweezers/nippers and shit are awesome. but anyway, i msure there's a true american brand that makes similar shit at home 2015-01-31T04:02:36 < dongs> that zano guy has never touched a pcb app, obviously 2015-01-31T04:03:01 < dongs> we had to move a lot of components around 2015-01-31T04:03:02 < dongs> for SD card 2015-01-31T04:03:11 < dongs> its got to be in the center 2015-01-31T04:03:12 < dongs> (no, not really) 2015-01-31T04:03:25 < dongs> WE DID MANAGE TO FIT THE SD CARD IN 2015-01-31T04:03:31 < PeterM> dongs, i've gota few pairs of their nippers - they're a pretty popular brand here in australia - even at normal brick and mortar stores 2015-01-31T04:04:15 < dongs> ya, if they have an updated english page it sounds like they're doing more htan japan sales 2015-01-31T04:04:24 < dongs> ive got a few pairs of NZ-10 myself 2015-01-31T04:04:27 < dongs> they're good 2015-01-31T04:06:06 < dongs> lol @ that zano "flying" at the end 2015-01-31T04:06:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T04:06:11 < dongs> just drifting around 2015-01-31T04:06:17 < dongs> TOTALLY AUTONOUMOUS 2015-01-31T04:06:25 < dongs> (more like flown by RC by a newb) 2015-01-31T04:06:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T04:15:18 < dongs> R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpq0shCXaM way more lol 2015-01-31T04:23:40 < dongs> As a recognition of the work accomplished during my early days at Ultra Electronics, I've been promoted from Graduate to Circuit Design Engineer just after 6 months. The change of status has been accompanied with continuous additional responsibilities. 2015-01-31T04:23:44 < dongs> -> I have been principal design engineer for the prototype phase of a project worth nearly half a million pounds. As well as this, I'm developing a new manufacturing process, allowing us to design so called High Density Interconnect boards. 2015-01-31T04:23:49 < dongs> -> I have a designed the electronic layout and mechanical arrangement of one of the best micro-UAV on the market, with sales forecast reaching several millions of pounds (still early days of the program). 2015-01-31T04:23:53 < dongs> hahaha 2015-01-31T04:27:24 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T04:35:25 < dongs> http://www.hscott.net/hack-rifle/ very smart move 2015-01-31T04:41:41 < dekar> upgrdman, http://www.automatedcablesolutions.co.uk/attachments/Image/Knipex_7742115.jpg 2015-01-31T04:42:02 < upgrdman> neat 2015-01-31T04:42:21 < PeterM> dekar they've got the rounded/flattened tips, they're a pain in the ass 2015-01-31T04:42:23 < upgrdman> ugly coloring tho 2015-01-31T04:42:52 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T04:45:35 < dongs> ur mediaum-hard 2015-01-31T04:46:12 < upgrdman> ? 2015-01-31T04:46:42 < PeterM> i think his ass burgers are leaking again 2015-01-31T04:47:16 < dongs> totally 2015-01-31T04:48:02 < dekar> Actually, that's the one I use: http://media1.roseversand.de/product/370/1/4/1459586_1.jpg 2015-01-31T04:48:39 < dekar> the colouring makes it easier to find :) 2015-01-31T04:49:01 < dongs> thats a little better 2015-01-31T04:49:14 < upgrdman> saw some tungstun carbide side cutters online.... 2015-01-31T04:49:22 < upgrdman> such amaze 2015-01-31T04:49:33 < PeterM> i dislike those size nippers/cutters the handles are always too short makes em uncomfortable as fuck 2015-01-31T04:50:20 < upgrdman> http://www.schmitz-zangen.de/produkte.php?art=2&lang=engl 2015-01-31T04:51:16 < upgrdman> http://www.schmitz-zangen.de/zangen_gross/Z_KAT_3421.jpg 2015-01-31T04:53:09 < PeterM> http://www.engineer.jp/_products/np03_04/p/np05.jpg are about perfect 2015-01-31T04:53:34 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-31T05:04:19 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T05:07:27 -!- dekar [~elias@110.184.204.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-31T05:15:12 < Getty> doing some non-C coding right now after days of C and now i REALLY appreciate the append to a string functionality 2015-01-31T05:17:20 < dongs> u sux 2015-01-31T05:17:36 < Getty> i know 2015-01-31T05:17:48 < Getty> i need luxury to survive! 2015-01-31T05:22:44 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-31T05:28:03 < dongs> R2COM: rite, and that dumb 3d rendering has been floating around their wiki for months now 2015-01-31T06:05:43 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T06:07:18 < PeterM> dongs gettin much snow there or you too far south? 2015-01-31T06:08:05 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T06:09:26 < zyp> all the snow that came down in tokyo yesterday is gone already 2015-01-31T06:10:27 < emeb_mac> zyp in jp? 2015-01-31T06:10:35 < zyp> ya 2015-01-31T06:10:41 < emeb_mac> fun times 2015-01-31T06:11:16 < PeterM> zyp only would have been a few inches anyway tho 2015-01-31T06:11:27 < zyp> yeah 2015-01-31T06:12:53 < emeb_mac> jp doesn't know snow like zyp is used to 2015-01-31T06:13:04 < zyp> true 2015-01-31T06:13:19 < zyp> at least not this area of jp 2015-01-31T06:13:21 < emeb_mac> did you go back to the family lighthouse this year? 2015-01-31T06:13:32 < zyp> heh 2015-01-31T06:14:33 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/CWF4YMe 2015-01-31T06:15:06 < emeb_mac> eww 2015-01-31T06:18:15 < emeb_mac> "map filth" 2015-01-31T06:18:41 < PeterM> weird europeans 2015-01-31T06:18:46 < emeb_mac> https://www.flickr.com/photos/p9/3402255989/ 2015-01-31T06:19:03 < PeterM> lol 2015-01-31T06:19:34 < emeb_mac> classic from Kliban 2015-01-31T06:20:55 < PeterM> https://boberi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/africa-trex.jpg 2015-01-31T06:26:56 < Getty> so old 2015-01-31T06:27:14 < Getty> this is so old, it was actually on myspace 2015-01-31T06:27:17 < Getty> ;-) 2015-01-31T06:28:33 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/Ag1ec9m 2015-01-31T06:29:40 < Getty> hehehe good one 2015-01-31T06:30:02 < PeterM> that is so old, it was actually on myspace 2015-01-31T06:30:12 < Getty> i.... see that ;) 2015-01-31T06:31:42 < dongs> zyp, wawht you doing in jp 2015-01-31T06:33:12 < PeterM> bloggin about with his new vending machine ideas 2015-01-31T06:40:48 < zyp> dongs, wasting time and money 2015-01-31T06:41:57 < zyp> just impulse bought tickets when they were discounted a few weeks ago 2015-01-31T06:42:16 < zyp> with no real plans :p 2015-01-31T06:44:31 < dongs> lorf 2015-01-31T06:44:45 < dongs> well, youre in the right place to waste time 2015-01-31T06:45:12 < dongs> im taking advantage of garbage yen to stock up on used panties 2015-01-31T06:45:27 < zyp> yea, that's what I figured 2015-01-31T06:45:30 < zyp> heh 2015-01-31T06:46:01 < zyp> the nok rate is garbage too 2015-01-31T06:46:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-31T06:47:27 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T06:48:58 < zyp> maybe I should head down and troll about in your area 2015-01-31T06:51:33 < englishman> I hear the dolphin murders are awesome 2015-01-31T06:52:16 < dongs> zyp is rolling in paypal moneyz from arcade crap 2015-01-31T06:53:38 < dongs> zyp, it'll cost you like 30000 yen to come over here 2015-01-31T06:54:29 < englishman> So $30 2015-01-31T06:54:35 < dongs> if you're bored, you can come over and do this HDMI splitter shit 2015-01-31T06:54:41 < dongs> i'll pay for your tix 2015-01-31T06:54:46 < zyp> haha 2015-01-31T06:54:57 < Roklobsta> I just need ramen, real ramen. 2015-01-31T06:55:41 < emeb_mac> all-expense paid vacation to dongsland 2015-01-31T06:56:17 < dongs> bring-your-own-sleeping-bag to trolloffice 2015-01-31T06:59:54 < dongs> i got delivered 27" 4K non-tiled panel 2015-01-31T06:59:55 < dongs> IPS 2015-01-31T07:00:04 < dongs> uses 5.4gbps / lane dp 2015-01-31T07:00:41 < dongs> LM270WR2-SPA1 2015-01-31T07:00:45 < dongs> well, i like what people pay for 2015-01-31T07:01:12 < dongs> > panel 2015-01-31T07:01:13 < dongs> you dick 2015-01-31T07:01:13 -!- MjrTom [~MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has quit [Quit: Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do] 2015-01-31T07:08:26 < upgrdman> TIL laptop hdd platters are made of glass. taking apart an old hdd.... "oh these platters are so cute and thin. wonder how flexible they are..." *explodes* 2015-01-31T07:08:36 < dongs> eh, not only laptop 2015-01-31T07:08:40 < dongs> thats just hitachi drives 2015-01-31T07:08:42 < dongs> desktop oens are glass too 2015-01-31T07:08:47 < upgrdman> srsly? 2015-01-31T07:08:51 < dongs> ya 2015-01-31T07:08:59 < upgrdman> i toss like 10 3.5" ones... 2015-01-31T07:09:15 < upgrdman> should have thrown them against a wall or someshit, for the lulz 2015-01-31T07:09:18 < dongs> wlel, i duno who else besides hitachi but I know a lot of thier deathstar drives were glass 2015-01-31T07:09:21 < dongs> yeah 2015-01-31T07:09:23 < dongs> wnat you wanna do is 2015-01-31T07:09:28 < dongs> hookup bldc to like 60V 2015-01-31T07:09:36 < dongs> and see how long it takes to shatter the platter 2015-01-31T07:09:51 < upgrdman> *takes note* 2015-01-31T07:10:28 < PeterM> you'd probablyhit the throttle and the stepper would burst into flames 2015-01-31T07:10:38 < dongs> eh 2015-01-31T07:10:43 < dongs> i had a 3.5" running at around 32V 2015-01-31T07:10:56 < dongs> i need to put it inside a plexoglass/something enclosure incase it does shatter 2015-01-31T07:11:10 < dongs> and point my thermalcam and shit on it 2015-01-31T07:11:12 < PeterM> 60v is a bit of a step up for 32v 2015-01-31T07:14:17 < dongs> hm i need to figure out how to do configurable device sheet in altidong 2015-01-31T07:14:27 < dongs> im placing 3 vregs on board and t he only difference is R1/R2 2015-01-31T07:14:37 < dongs> thers gotta be a way to do it properly 2015-01-31T07:30:58 < upgrdman> dongs, re: tiled lcd's... is tiling noticable to the end user? 2015-01-31T07:35:17 < dongs> no 2015-01-31T07:35:28 < dongs> well, i suppose it could be to some gaymerfaggots 2015-01-31T07:35:31 < dongs> depends how its driven 2015-01-31T07:37:10 < upgrdman> why to gamers? slight timing mismatches between tiles? 2015-01-31T07:37:34 < dongs> i dont know - current gen of stuff uses 2 separate display SoCs to drive them 2015-01-31T07:37:41 < upgrdman> k 2015-01-31T07:43:12 -!- MjrTom [MjrTom@azureus/MjrTom] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T07:54:51 < englishman> dongs 2015-01-31T07:54:59 < englishman> this is what all the cool gamer kids are drooling over 2015-01-31T07:54:59 < englishman> http://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-34UM95 2015-01-31T07:55:05 < englishman> 3440 x 1440 2015-01-31T07:55:06 < englishman> wtf 2015-01-31T07:55:41 < dongs> saw that 2015-01-31T08:02:32 < upgrdman> anyone make one of the ultrawide montiors, but like dual 4k? so, uh, 4000x8000 or whatever? 2015-01-31T08:03:35 < upgrdman> hmmm i suppose current hdmi/dp would struggle with that, huh? 2015-01-31T08:05:32 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T08:05:50 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T08:08:21 < englishman> University of Pennsylvania, via Coursera Open online course 2015-01-31T08:08:24 < englishman> i.e. degree mill 2015-01-31T08:09:06 < englishman> if not just a series of youtube videos 2015-01-31T08:09:44 < upgrdman> > penisvania 2015-01-31T08:26:52 < dongs> ya that new guy is completely worthless 2015-01-31T08:27:04 < dongs> hes go no useful references either 2015-01-31T08:27:11 -!- woop [~rager@ecsta.cc] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T08:27:11 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-31T08:27:16 < dongs> doesn't e ven list what amazing pcb layoutr software he used for zaNO 2015-01-31T08:27:34 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ucgsqpdyifverbqp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T08:27:56 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vyxpahgxlbcrobso] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T08:28:09 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T08:29:01 -!- Guest38918 [~rager@ecsta.cc] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T08:30:47 < emeb_mac> eagle 2015-01-31T08:33:31 < upgrdman> geda 2015-01-31T08:33:43 < upgrdman> go full retard or go home ;) 2015-01-31T08:33:54 < dongs> kikecad 2015-01-31T08:33:55 < dongs> bbl 2015-01-31T08:39:23 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: I resemble that remark 2015-01-31T08:39:37 < upgrdman> :) 2015-01-31T08:40:19 < emeb_mac> some of us prefer stone knives and bearskins 2015-01-31T08:41:52 < upgrdman> walter lewin... damn his physics lectures were good. shame he had to con a girl student into emailing him nude pix. MIT pulled all his videos :( torrenting what i can find. 2015-01-31T08:49:39 < emeb_mac> dude - this is the internet. it's hard to avoid 'em. 2015-01-31T08:50:07 < emeb_mac> get busy downloadin' 2015-01-31T08:51:17 < emeb_mac> warped for life 2015-01-31T08:51:36 < upgrdman> donkey show? 2015-01-31T08:51:56 < emeb_mac> ie boring 2015-01-31T08:53:26 < upgrdman> this was back in mother russia? 2015-01-31T08:54:44 < upgrdman> lol, mil prep was a class? 2015-01-31T08:55:01 < emeb_mac> need to get ready to fend off the yanqui 2015-01-31T08:55:06 < upgrdman> seems weird to have that in an academic setting 2015-01-31T08:55:33 < upgrdman> i guess over here we're just different. not saying your way is wrong. 2015-01-31T08:55:45 < emeb_mac> plus - looks better with the shirt off like emperor putin 2015-01-31T08:56:16 < emeb_mac> I hear he wants E. Germany back now. 2015-01-31T08:57:31 < qyx_> not enough land? 2015-01-31T08:57:38 < upgrdman> does russia really need more land? 2015-01-31T08:58:20 < upgrdman> i'll admit, it would be awesome if they conquered a penis-shaped plot of land in .eu and kept it. maps would be enjoyable. 2015-01-31T08:58:35 < emeb_mac> again with the map filth 2015-01-31T09:00:04 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, but not dangle schlongs like norway/sweden/finland. a plot of land that looks like a big veiny erect penis, ready to blow it's load. 2015-01-31T09:00:46 < emeb_mac> Native Americans are getting their revenge. 2015-01-31T09:00:55 < emeb_mac> Selling cigarettes and running casinos 2015-01-31T09:01:11 < upgrdman> but we keep the native americans poor (as a group) 2015-01-31T09:01:18 < upgrdman> to assrt our dominance 2015-01-31T09:01:46 < emeb_mac> reconquista! 2015-01-31T09:02:00 < upgrdman> iirc the native american abuse drugs more than the blacks 2015-01-31T09:02:53 < emeb_mac> never heard of code talkers eh? 2015-01-31T09:05:52 < emeb_mac> you never know 2015-01-31T09:10:18 < dongs> sup blogs 2015-01-31T09:13:24 < dongs> The kickstarter campaign and several posts by zano staff on the forum reference a June 2015 delivery date. However, the official titter page says "shipping worldwide in July". Will kickstarter backers recieve theirs in June? I'm praying for June because my wedding is at the end of the month and I would like to use Zano to take some unique photos! 2015-01-31T09:13:55 < dongs> indefinitely 2015-01-31T09:15:05 < qyx_> so another ~5 months of bullshit 2015-01-31T09:15:45 < qyx_> they could redo everything during that time 2015-01-31T09:15:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, the military prep classes were only for guys, right? what did the girls do? take sandwich-making classes? 2015-01-31T09:17:01 < upgrdman> what did it cover 2015-01-31T09:17:57 < upgrdman> marksmanship? or too young for that? 2015-01-31T09:19:40 < upgrdman> cool 2015-01-31T09:23:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T09:26:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-01-31T09:27:50 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T09:28:19 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T09:42:32 < dongs> you do realize that gabe newell isnt in that video right 2015-01-31T09:44:36 < dongs> damn 2015-01-31T09:44:39 < dongs> chinese JST-EH clones 2015-01-31T09:44:48 < dongs> $30 for 2k 2015-01-31T09:44:48 < dongs> lol 2015-01-31T09:45:26 < dongs> i presume they're OK, they even have an actual datasheet 2015-01-31T09:45:33 < dongs> and t hey call it 'EH-A' 2015-01-31T09:45:34 < dongs> huhu 2015-01-31T09:49:28 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T10:00:54 -!- DanteA [~X@193.184.24.189] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T10:06:03 -!- DanteA [~X@193.184.24.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T10:06:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T10:06:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T10:08:36 < dongs> status 2015-01-31T10:08:49 < dongs> zyp must be buying through-hole resistors in akikebara 2015-01-31T10:10:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-01-31T10:20:54 < Roklobsta> oh, i used to go to akihabara in the early 80's it was awesome then. 2015-01-31T10:21:35 < dongs> only if you want some through hole resistors and DIP ics 2015-01-31T10:21:53 < dongs> if you want anything modern or innovative youre fucked 2015-01-31T10:21:55 < Roklobsta> my favourite sunday outing was Harajuku on a Sunday plus Kiddy Land and Shakeys pizza. 2015-01-31T10:22:25 < Roklobsta> but i was a kid 2015-01-31T10:22:48 < Roklobsta> did i mention i really miss ramen? 2015-01-31T10:24:32 < Roklobsta> dongs: so you have it in for Zano. What if they are feeding BS to keep the pirates at bay and have the real deal cooking in the back room? 2015-01-31T10:24:45 < dongs> haha 2015-01-31T10:25:41 < Roklobsta> it seems like a feasible product. 2015-01-31T10:25:47 < Roklobsta> with the right talent. 2015-01-31T10:26:21 < dongs> they'd need to drop PIC32 first 2015-01-31T10:26:25 < Roklobsta> i certainly like the concept not so much for selfies but nice pictures from 'pon high. 2015-01-31T10:27:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/io4bmO4.png so innovate 2015-01-31T10:28:01 < Roklobsta> mmm, i'd expect some ARM/DSP/ASIC thing would do the job. 2015-01-31T10:28:29 < Roklobsta> mmm altium 2015-01-31T10:29:01 < dongs> Roklobsta: sure, even samA5 might do it, but most likely some rockchip/mediatek shiz, problem is you wouldn' wanna run lunix on it so it would be kinda hard to get low-level docs 2015-01-31T10:29:13 < Roklobsta> no linux is way overkill 2015-01-31T10:29:26 < dongs> "wouldn't" 2015-01-31T10:29:28 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T10:29:49 < dongs> looks like samA5 mipi csi 2015-01-31T10:29:50 < Roklobsta> i want to whack nerds with a rolled up newspaper when i see linux applied to every application. 2015-01-31T10:29:55 < dongs> but no hardware h264/jpeg etc encoder 2015-01-31T10:29:57 < dongs> so its useless 2015-01-31T10:30:05 < dongs> you'd need a SoC that can encode at least 2 streams realtime 2015-01-31T10:30:08 -!- dekar [~elias@110.184.204.40] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T10:30:12 < dongs> a HQ to SD and crap for streaming 2015-01-31T10:30:18 < dongs> and doall this in <100mA power envelope 2015-01-31T10:30:25 < dongs> to match what zano claims to do 2015-01-31T10:34:40 < dongs> tehy could use somehting like http://www.ambarella.com/uploads/docs/A7LS-Brief-121713.pdf but maybe need some cortex-m like copropcessor for actual flying 2015-01-31T10:35:13 < dongs> no idea on power draw, its > 100mA tho for s ure 2015-01-31T10:35:13 < dymk> Is the VDD pin on SWD expecting the 3.3v supply from the target, or the 5v from the target? 2015-01-31T10:35:17 < dongs> for SoC + DDR etc 2015-01-31T10:35:25 < dongs> dymk: its for sensing target voltage 2015-01-31T10:35:36 < dongs> on probes that support changing io levels 2015-01-31T10:35:43 < dongs> so if your IO is 3.3 then it is 3.3 2015-01-31T10:35:54 < dongs> if your i/o is 5V youre probably frying things 2015-01-31T10:35:54 < dongs> bbl 2015-01-31T10:36:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.128.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-31T10:37:16 < dymk> alright - thanks dongs 2015-01-31T11:09:46 < qyx_> aren't those ambarella things used in gopros? 2015-01-31T11:11:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@213.87.128.152] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T11:51:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:11:18 -!- Nutter [~hehe@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:f62c:b508:6f00] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-31T12:12:49 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:13:05 -!- Nutter [~hehe@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:f62c:b508:6f00] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:22:49 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@5.80.115.9] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:23:23 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-31T12:30:06 -!- Robint91 [~teecom@d54C37D92.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:30:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:30:24 < Robint91> it is done 2015-01-31T12:30:24 < Robint91> http://vmarker.org/en/opensource 2015-01-31T12:30:27 < Robint91> hi all 2015-01-31T12:31:02 < Fleck> morning! 2015-01-31T12:34:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-31T12:37:58 < Robint91> It is quite spooky that people are nosing in my firmware 2015-01-31T12:42:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:43:50 < dongs> sup 2015-01-31T12:44:17 < dongs> Robint91: oh the shit you were making? 2015-01-31T12:45:17 < dongs> omg altium pcbz 2015-01-31T12:45:20 < dongs> downloading 2015-01-31T12:47:01 < Robint91> dongs, datasheets are more intresseting 2015-01-31T12:47:12 < dongs> rly? why 2015-01-31T12:47:16 < dongs> isnt that public nowledge 2015-01-31T12:47:20 < Robint91> nope 2015-01-31T12:47:57 < Robint91> something about ended NDA 2015-01-31T12:50:08 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:50:55 < dongs> wahts hte most complex board there 2015-01-31T12:51:32 < Robint91> latest penpcb 2015-01-31T12:51:43 < Robint91> dongs it isn't complex in HW terms 2015-01-31T12:52:01 < Robint91> that is the beauty of it 2015-01-31T12:52:26 < Robint91> sensorboard has a uBGA on it 2015-01-31T12:53:22 < dongs> whats with panelizing marks 2015-01-31T12:53:26 < dongs> that just drawing? 2015-01-31T12:54:09 < Robint91> yeah 2015-01-31T12:55:19 < dongs> huh? no bga on sensorboard 2015-01-31T12:57:56 < Robint91> it is small 2015-01-31T12:58:00 < Robint91> 15 balls 2015-01-31T12:58:18 < dongs> ir pen>? 2015-01-31T12:58:31 -!- theAdib [~adib@dslb-088-074-134-155.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T12:58:47 < Robint91> https://bytebucket.org/robint91/vmarker-hardware/raw/212bf545da01ae0b976a91a7228cb259b6f10bf9/Vmarker%20Sensor/HW2.0/sensorboard.PDF 2015-01-31T13:00:13 < dongs> on 2.0 2015-01-31T13:00:27 < Robint91> yeah 2015-01-31T13:00:35 < dongs> waz looking at 3.0 2015-01-31T13:00:36 < Robint91> that is the latest production version 2015-01-31T13:00:45 < Robint91> 3.0 is the new one 2015-01-31T13:06:06 < dongs> oh but not too specail 2015-01-31T13:06:08 < dongs> .5mm pitch 2015-01-31T13:06:35 < dongs> heh and it s missing a couple pins in right places 2015-01-31T13:06:41 < dongs> to allow fanout huhu 2015-01-31T13:07:05 < Robint91> dongs, it is not that easy to do by hand 2015-01-31T13:07:52 < dongs> Robint91: you know you can do (InNet('GND') or IsVia) for your polygon connect style and the gnd vias dont look like ass 2015-01-31T13:07:57 < dongs> and make them direct 2015-01-31T13:08:15 < dongs> 4974305206350 2015-01-31T13:08:20 < Robint91> dongs, I'm doing that in later designs 2015-01-31T13:08:27 < dongs> 174018785360 2015-01-31T13:08:31 < Robint91> ? 2015-01-31T13:08:34 < dongs> EM252435618KR 2015-01-31T13:08:41 < dongs> 174018785360 2015-01-31T13:08:57 < dongs> 174018785360 2015-01-31T13:08:59 < dongs> $021208 2015-01-31T13:09:04 < dongs> fucking kids 2015-01-31T13:09:09 < dongs> scanning shit around my office 2015-01-31T13:09:10 < dongs> wiht barcode 2015-01-31T13:09:16 < Robint91> lol 2015-01-31T13:10:22 < dongs> hm your fiducial looks correct 2015-01-31T13:10:34 < dongs> mine are still fucked up i cant make it correctly pullback copper 2015-01-31T13:10:44 -!- Djbx [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T13:10:49 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T13:11:26 < dongs> 0.5 is easy to do by hand, its not like youre soldering ballz 2015-01-31T13:11:43 < dongs> hm is that shit from old altium or something 2015-01-31T13:11:51 < dongs> its got shitload of design violations on load 2015-01-31T13:12:27 < Robint91> missing libs? 2015-01-31T13:12:36 < dongs> that shoulnt affect it, no? 2015-01-31T13:12:41 < Robint91> odd 2015-01-31T13:12:49 < Robint91> which violations 2015-01-31T13:12:55 < Robint91> I ignore silk stuff 2015-01-31T13:13:11 < dongs> clearance on the bga balls for example 2015-01-31T13:13:44 < dongs> ah your rules are 6/6 for clearance 2015-01-31T13:13:52 < dongs> mine is 5/5 standard so that would worked 2015-01-31T13:14:12 < dongs> hmm weird 2015-01-31T13:14:35 < Robint91> soldermask? 2015-01-31T13:14:49 < dongs> oh yeah it is those 2015-01-31T13:14:53 < dongs> well, you can just uncheck that shit 2015-01-31T13:14:58 < dongs> if you dont want it to show up in the list 2015-01-31T13:17:55 < dongs> those are the kinda rules only R2COM likes 2015-01-31T13:18:23 < dongs> i remember he was bitching he couldnt specify how close two tracks of SAME NET could be 2015-01-31T13:18:31 < dongs> like if its same fucking net who cares 2015-01-31T13:23:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-31T13:23:33 -!- Djbx [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T13:23:36 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T13:25:39 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T13:29:36 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T13:36:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-31T13:37:01 -!- theAdib [~adib@dslb-088-074-134-155.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T13:45:02 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T13:48:18 < Laurenceb__> lulwut http://www.picoquant.com/products/category/quantum-random-number-generator/pqrng-150-quantum-random-number-generator 2015-01-31T13:48:52 < dongs> i sense audiophool-quaulity randomness generator 2015-01-31T13:49:18 < Laurenceb__> yup 2015-01-31T13:49:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T13:52:08 < dongs> PC requirementsmin. 1 GHz CPU clock, 512 MB memory 2015-01-31T13:52:18 < dongs> you're buying a fancy box 2015-01-31T13:52:24 < dongs> and CPU does all the random genration 2015-01-31T13:52:32 < dongs> inside; just empty 2015-01-31T13:52:45 < dongs> usb 5V -> R -> led 2015-01-31T13:59:52 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-31T14:12:49 < dongs> Version: 1.2.0 Keil.STM32L0xx_DFP.1.2.0.pack Download 2015-01-31T14:12:49 < dongs> Reworked STM32L0xx Flash Programming Algorithm to improve programming speed. 2015-01-31T14:19:20 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T14:19:22 < Robint91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spZJrsssPA0 2015-01-31T14:23:20 < Robint91> dongs did you opened the pac7010 datasheet? 2015-01-31T14:26:14 < dongs> wow so chinese 2015-01-31T14:26:23 < Robint91> yes 2015-01-31T14:26:26 < dongs> waaaaaaaaaaaaat 2015-01-31T14:26:27 < dongs> 128x64 2015-01-31T14:26:38 < Robint91> it interpolates 2015-01-31T14:30:53 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T14:30:57 < dongs> is it cool because small + UART? 2015-01-31T14:31:04 < Robint91> yep 2015-01-31T14:31:14 < Robint91> and does a lot of image processing onboard 2015-01-31T14:31:33 < Robint91> it spits out X and Y of the IR dots it sees 2015-01-31T14:31:52 < dongs> needs a lens in fornt of it i guess? 2015-01-31T14:31:58 < Robint91> yep 2015-01-31T14:35:14 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-31T14:37:50 -!- ReadError [~ReadError@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-31T14:40:34 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T14:43:50 < dongs> Robint91: so what would that be good for 2015-01-31T14:43:58 < dongs> could ZANO ise ut for fuckface tracking 2015-01-31T14:44:09 < dongs> use it, t oo 2015-01-31T14:44:10 < dongs> so stoned 2015-01-31T14:44:24 < Robint91> if you place a irled on your face 2015-01-31T14:44:25 < Robint91> yes 2015-01-31T14:44:31 < Robint91> you can track irleds in the room 2015-01-31T14:48:33 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db77a0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T14:49:55 < dongs> Robint91: its EOL or something right 2015-01-31T14:50:03 < dongs> thats why HW3 doesnt use that shit anymore? 2015-01-31T14:50:11 < Robint91> dongs, better package 2015-01-31T14:50:27 < Robint91> it is a module on HW3 2015-01-31T14:50:40 < dongs> ah 2015-01-31T14:50:53 < Robint91> but with better specs 2015-01-31T14:51:00 < dongs> whats hte new packge? ssop or something? 2015-01-31T14:51:10 < Robint91> module costs more, but 1 less pcb 2015-01-31T14:51:27 < Robint91> dongs, it comes mounted on a pcb with lens 2015-01-31T14:51:33 < Robint91> see pac7025 2015-01-31T14:51:54 < dongs> buttt 2015-01-31T14:51:56 < dongs> less pixels 2015-01-31T14:52:05 < Robint91> MOAR interpolation 2015-01-31T14:52:17 < Robint91> it is better as the 7010 2015-01-31T14:52:21 < Robint91> even with less pixels 2015-01-31T14:52:24 < dongs> rly 2015-01-31T14:52:36 < Robint91> better adc for the pixels 2015-01-31T14:52:40 < Robint91> I guess 2015-01-31T14:53:33 < kakeman> little uav copters are getting off hand 2015-01-31T14:53:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T14:53:54 < kakeman> now nasa wants to have uav copter in mars 2015-01-31T14:54:48 < dongs> ~dumbcopter 2015-01-31T14:54:54 < Tectu> zyp, ping 2015-01-31T14:55:11 < Tectu> dongs, I wrote a mail to them and recommended to use zano there 2015-01-31T14:55:16 < dongs> zyp is getting drunk in akihabara 2015-01-31T14:55:22 < dongs> Tectu: gg 2015-01-31T14:55:29 < Tectu> oh :( 2015-01-31T14:55:34 < Tectu> are there any other .no people here? 2015-01-31T14:55:42 < Tectu> does probably jpa- speak some .no language? 2015-01-31T14:55:45 < dongs> .not anymore 2015-01-31T14:55:48 < Robint91> zano? 2015-01-31T14:55:55 < Tectu> dongs, how comes? 2015-01-31T14:55:58 < dongs> zano is a scam 2015-01-31T14:56:10 < dongs> Robint91: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone?ref=category read specs sheet 2015-01-31T14:57:11 < Robint91> really .... 2015-01-31T14:58:09 < Robint91> dongs, did someone of ##stm32 make it 2015-01-31T14:58:14 < Tectu> lol nope 2015-01-31T14:58:20 < dongs> 55 grams, 350mAh lipo, realtime object/face tracking, fully autonoumous flight, 5mp camera taking 1080p to sdcard and streaming 720p hd to phone, swarming using 802.11n, 8x8 rgb led array, etc etc 2015-01-31T14:58:29 < Tectu> dongs, it's not fake, the video proofes it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkbhjXTbOE 2015-01-31T14:58:43 < dongs> tectu, video doesnt prove shit 2015-01-31T14:58:51 < dongs> Robint91: no, its actually a scam 2015-01-31T14:59:00 < dongs> not sure where exactly they're goign wiht it now that they have received the funds 2015-01-31T14:59:04 < Tectu> dongs, yes it does. you can't fake a video. 2015-01-31T14:59:13 < dongs> but it is most definitely not doable with the specs/limitations given. 2015-01-31T14:59:51 < Tectu> dongs, how exactly does kickstarter handle scams? There are so many - don't they give a shit at all? 2015-01-31T14:59:54 < Robint91> 139 pound for it 2015-01-31T14:59:57 < Robint91> hahaha 2015-01-31T14:59:59 < Robint91> scam 2015-01-31T15:00:05 < dongs> Tectu: they get a cut so clearly they dont care 2015-01-31T15:00:12 < dongs> 5% of 3.5mil is a fair chunk 2015-01-31T15:00:25 < dongs> just for doing nothing 2015-01-31T15:01:21 < dongs> Robint91: the main/only processor is PIC32MZ 2015-01-31T15:01:24 < Lux> perfect business model 2015-01-31T15:01:43 < dongs> it doesnt even have enough sram buffer to stream 1080p to SD card 2015-01-31T15:01:45 < Tectu> dongs, I don't have any experiences with quad copter control stuff but isn't even a damn STM32F4 which takes a shitload of battery life already very busy doing the usual flight control stuff? 2015-01-31T15:01:48 < dongs> while handling write stalls 2015-01-31T15:01:50 < dongs> never mind anything else 2015-01-31T15:02:08 < dongs> Tectu: depends what youre doing, real shit code will use < 1% of F4 2015-01-31T15:02:09 < Steffanx> so why you went open sores Robint91? Still working on the vmarker is are you done with it? 2015-01-31T15:02:18 < dongs> i.e. simple complementary filter for imu 2015-01-31T15:02:19 < Tectu> dongs, talking about CPU power, not flash 2015-01-31T15:02:24 < dongs> yes, cpu 2015-01-31T15:02:32 < Tectu> okay, thanks 2015-01-31T15:02:35 < Robint91> Steffanx, active dev is almost done for it 2015-01-31T15:02:39 < Lux> Tectu: for basic control even an 8-bit mcu is enoug 2015-01-31T15:02:41 < dongs> or you can use <= 100% with some fancy kalman shit 2015-01-31T15:02:43 < Lux> *enough 2015-01-31T15:02:51 < Tectu> dongs, so they still have 99% cpu power available for the glow in the dark... -.-' 2015-01-31T15:02:51 < Robint91> Steffanx, going to focus on some other projects 2015-01-31T15:03:09 < Tectu> Lux, interesting. I always thought that quad copter stuff needs quite some real-time math 2015-01-31T15:03:12 < Robint91> Steffanx, and I got my investement back 2015-01-31T15:03:17 < dongs> Tectu: you dont push 1080p video (even pre-compressed as jpeg from camera) into 200mhz PIC32 with 512k sram 2015-01-31T15:03:28 < Lux> kalman stuff and gps nav can be pretty intense 2015-01-31T15:03:47 < Lux> iirc autoquad uses 40% 2015-01-31T15:03:48 < jpa-> kalman stuff and gps nav are pretty trivial in terms of computational power 2015-01-31T15:03:51 < Tectu> dongs, I've seen some expensive drones (800$ or something) and their live video as crappy as fuck already 2015-01-31T15:03:52 < dongs> nor do you have any CPU power to decode said jpg at 30fps never mind doing object tracking or etc 2015-01-31T15:03:59 < dongs> Tectu: because its analog 2015-01-31T15:04:34 < Tectu> jpa-, I still suck at geography - isn't .fi next to .no? do you happen to speak some .no? 2015-01-31T15:04:55 < jpa-> jag talar dem alla nordiska språker 2015-01-31T15:05:19 < Laurenceb__> http://slashdot.org/story/15/01/30/2254233/cutting-through-data-science-hype 2015-01-31T15:05:19 < Tectu> I just understood the 'allah' part 2015-01-31T15:05:20 < jpa-> därför att svenska, norska, danska ocksåfort are rikligt all de samma 2015-01-31T15:05:28 < Laurenceb__> If IBM Watson can find hidden correlations that help your business, then why can't IBM Watson stem a 3 year sales drop at IBM? 2015-01-31T15:05:30 < Laurenceb__> i lolld 2015-01-31T15:05:36 < Laurenceb__> lol Tectu 2015-01-31T15:06:13 < Tectu> jpa-, so any idea what "Bruane Brenn" translates to? Google fails horribly 2015-01-31T15:06:25 < Tectu> and if it is some offensive stuff I already apologize upfront. 2015-01-31T15:06:47 < jpa-> sounds like "brown brew" but those are not words familiar to me 2015-01-31T15:07:15 < jpa-> wikipedia does translate that, though 2015-01-31T15:07:23 < Tectu> lol wut 2015-01-31T15:07:37 < dongs> k i think im gonna head off to bed 2015-01-31T15:07:48 < Tectu> enjoy your dong, dongs 2015-01-31T15:07:53 < dongs> plan to 2015-01-31T15:09:00 < Tectu> jpa-, why on earth can wiki tell me what the fuck it is but google translate can't 2015-01-31T15:12:14 < Tectu> jpa-, fun fact: that wiki page really is just from the band that has a song with said name 2015-01-31T15:13:21 < Tectu> so I am wondering if this really is a valid thing in .no 2015-01-31T15:13:38 < Tectu> or just some made up shit like zano 2015-01-31T15:15:54 < Laurenceb__> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6873361&cid=48943401 2015-01-31T15:19:24 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, the fuck is that site 2015-01-31T15:19:27 < Tectu> I don't get it 2015-01-31T15:19:34 < Tectu> reddit for non-hipsters? 2015-01-31T15:19:41 < Laurenceb__> yup 2015-01-31T15:28:06 < kakeman> is there such parameter for compiler that says that multiple lines of code can be concidered as one? 2015-01-31T15:28:28 < Robint91> kakeman, " ; " 2015-01-31T15:28:57 < kakeman> so that execution doesn't have to go line by line 2015-01-31T15:29:11 < Robint91> WHAT 2015-01-31T15:29:16 < Robint91> which compiler 2015-01-31T15:29:20 < Robint91> which language 2015-01-31T15:30:17 < Tectu> Robint91, lol'd 2015-01-31T15:30:23 < kakeman> I mean if I have multiple operations for one register that has multiple lines of code 2015-01-31T15:30:39 < Tectu> kakeman, that's basic optimization. -O 2015-01-31T15:31:02 < Tectu> kakeman, that's just what happens anyway. Your compiler is usually smarter than you 2015-01-31T15:31:05 < kakeman> I don't mind compiler packing that as tight as possible 2015-01-31T15:31:49 < Steffanx> does mr kakeman have a code example? 2015-01-31T15:31:53 < kakeman> no 2015-01-31T15:31:55 < Steffanx> and what he expects the compiler to do? 2015-01-31T15:32:13 < Tectu> kakeman, -Os if you want to "tight as possible" for size reasons 2015-01-31T15:32:29 < kakeman> to do every line of code for that register separetelly and in order 2015-01-31T15:33:55 < kakeman> as writen 2015-01-31T15:35:05 < kakeman> I don't believe compiler would any reason pack those together as registers can have functional stuff that takes many calls to do that stuff 2015-01-31T15:35:47 < qyx_> wat 2015-01-31T15:36:14 < Tectu> w00t? 2015-01-31T15:36:16 < kakeman> I think too much 2015-01-31T15:37:03 < kakeman> I come up with example some day 2015-01-31T15:56:36 < PeterM> 14:30 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#.VMzeDCuVJLB 2015-01-31T16:05:32 < Steffanx> thanks, always nice to see that 2015-01-31T16:05:37 < zyp> dongs, not akihabara, and I only had a couple of beers 2015-01-31T16:05:51 < Laurenceb__> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keumaya-Final-Hyper-AKUMAKO-YAGI-BLACK-GOAT-DAUGHTER-Toy-Figure-Doll-New-In-Box-/251743496215?pt=UK_Collectables_AnimationCharacters_Anime_SM&hash=item3a9d14e817 2015-01-31T16:06:05 < Laurenceb__> did dsomeone say akihabara 2015-01-31T16:06:11 < zyp> no 2015-01-31T16:06:44 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, these arent the antrennas i wass lookign for 2015-01-31T16:07:13 < Laurenceb__> lolz yeah I was looking for antenna 2015-01-31T16:15:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T16:15:23 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-31T16:15:23 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2015-01-31T16:23:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-31T16:26:28 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2015-01-31T16:29:27 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T16:32:08 < jpa-> kakeman: if registers are marked as 'volatile', compiler will not optimize away accesses; otherwise it will pack them 2015-01-31T16:32:43 < jpa-> kakeman: if you have volatile registers but want to pack accesses, do uint32_t regval = FOO->BARREG; regval |= mybit; regval &= mymask; FOO->BARREG = regval; 2015-01-31T16:35:16 < kakeman> oh 2015-01-31T16:36:02 < kakeman> how about peripheral registers? 2015-01-31T16:36:13 < kakeman> concidered as volatile? 2015-01-31T16:37:28 < jpa-> if your header says so (they usually do) 2015-01-31T16:39:26 < kakeman> this clears it 2015-01-31T16:39:28 < kakeman> thanks jpa 2015-01-31T16:40:39 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T16:44:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T16:56:30 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-31T16:57:12 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T16:57:35 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-31T17:00:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T17:12:08 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2015-01-31T17:15:01 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T17:43:10 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-31T17:45:35 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-01-31T17:55:43 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T17:59:13 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-01-31T18:08:24 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:08:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-31T18:09:50 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-01-31T18:17:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:18:32 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T18:20:45 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-31T18:27:48 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:42:29 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-31T18:44:51 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:46:00 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:46:49 < Laurenceb__> http://www.sensl.com/downloads/ds/DS-MicroMseries.pdf 2015-01-31T18:46:58 < Laurenceb__> page 8, lurn 2 flux cleaner 2015-01-31T18:47:10 < Laurenceb__> a tom66 company 2015-01-31T18:50:40 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:55:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T18:55:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-104-219-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-31T18:59:44 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.142.243] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T19:04:02 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T19:09:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-01-31T19:21:53 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-31T19:24:53 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2015-01-31T19:25:59 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T19:32:27 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T19:37:10 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T19:49:31 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T19:50:30 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-31T20:03:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-31T20:09:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:12:08 < Tectu> hmm, when does dongs show up? 2015-01-31T20:12:17 < Tectu> have some q. about magic usb stuff 2015-01-31T20:12:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:12:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-31T20:12:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:13:11 < Getty> this question alone....... ;) 2015-01-31T20:13:58 < Tectu> ? 2015-01-31T20:14:11 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@37-1-169-146.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:14:27 < Getty> if its not funny for you its ok ;) 2015-01-31T20:14:27 < kakeman> nice. flash magic have control for reset and isp 2015-01-31T20:14:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.217] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:14:42 < kakeman> no need of jumper wires and power switching 2015-01-31T20:17:40 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T20:18:18 < kakeman> also realterm has switches for both 2015-01-31T20:19:43 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db77a0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-31T20:20:13 -!- cmcmanis_ [~quassel@50.247.73.12] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:25:12 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:33:16 < Tectu> solved your compiler optimization issue yet, kakeman ? 2015-01-31T20:36:49 < kakeman> check 16:32 2015-01-31T20:37:06 < kakeman> sorry 2015-01-31T20:37:12 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:37:15 < kakeman> different timezones 2015-01-31T20:37:52 < kakeman> check what jpa- said up there^ 2015-01-31T20:50:30 < kakeman> hmm 2015-01-31T20:50:59 < kakeman> how do you think about digital signature generator as project 2015-01-31T20:51:28 < kakeman> maybe in a form of a pen or such with display in side of it 2015-01-31T20:51:42 < kakeman> click it and it gives out codes 2015-01-31T20:52:01 < kakeman> then turns of after a delay 2015-01-31T20:52:03 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/energy_harvesting_the_power_of_touch_internet_of_things/?page=4 2015-01-31T20:52:15 < Laurenceb__> lulz thats a rebranded energy micro board 2015-01-31T20:52:41 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T20:58:21 < qyx_> deleted 90 lines, still working 2015-01-31T20:58:24 < qyx_> i like refactoring 2015-01-31T21:04:15 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T21:17:31 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T21:24:38 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T21:25:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T21:31:08 < Steffanx> You handcrafted those lines with blood, sweat and tears and you like to remove them? :O 2015-01-31T21:31:32 < scummos> everyone likes removing code 2015-01-31T21:31:39 < scummos> code that doesn't exist is the best code 2015-01-31T21:33:39 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T21:36:54 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@p5B2A49CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T21:38:38 < Tectu> I don't know who that scummos guy is and neither have I ever seen him in here but never the less that is truly his best statement so far 2015-01-31T21:38:47 < Tectu> oh wait... scummos... my brain tells me something.. 2015-01-31T21:38:51 < scummos> yes I know you 2015-01-31T21:38:53 < Tectu> wait... scummos... Randa? 2015-01-31T21:38:56 < scummos> yes, haha 2015-01-31T21:38:59 < scummos> hi Tectu :D 2015-01-31T21:39:00 < Tectu> omfg :D 2015-01-31T21:39:02 < Tectu> hi scummos 2015-01-31T21:39:03 < Tectu> how are you? 2015-01-31T21:39:10 < scummos> the world is small 2015-01-31T21:39:15 < Tectu> yeah 2015-01-31T21:39:17 < scummos> I'm fine, you? 2015-01-31T21:39:20 < Tectu> I'm fine too, thanks 2015-01-31T21:39:28 < Tectu> followed your advice that you gave me back then :) 2015-01-31T21:39:41 < scummos> what did I say? :-) 2015-01-31T21:39:47 < Tectu> "just start coding" 2015-01-31T21:40:02 < scummos> ah, yes :) and where did it get you so far? 2015-01-31T21:40:10 < Tectu> scummos, http://ugfx.org 2015-01-31T21:40:20 < Steffanx> a piece of junk he can't get rid of anymore. 2015-01-31T21:40:36 < Tectu> scummos, website does not look that nice, I suck at web stuff. But it's a three years project so far and it has already quite a few industrial customers 2015-01-31T21:40:44 < Tectu> scummos, and yes, basically what Steffanx said :P 2015-01-31T21:40:44 < scummos> sounds awesome 2015-01-31T21:40:58 < Tectu> well, the downside is that I can't rid of it anymore 2015-01-31T21:41:05 < scummos> haha yes I know that problem 2015-01-31T21:41:09 < Tectu> it started as a spare time project and now it became _the_ spare time project 2015-01-31T21:41:23 < scummos> but if it's successful even in industry, that's a great achievement 2015-01-31T21:41:54 < Tectu> indeed. Thank you very much for that advice back then :P 2015-01-31T21:42:18 < Tectu> and how's your kdevelop going? 2015-01-31T21:42:39 < Laurenceb__> lol scum OS 2015-01-31T21:43:07 < scummos> oh, well, it's not exactly improving much recently 2015-01-31T21:43:12 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-205-9.nth.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T21:43:14 < scummos> but I still maintain it 2015-01-31T21:43:17 < Tectu> scummos, I'm sorry to hear that 2015-01-31T21:43:24 < Tectu> scummos, you remember unormal, don't you? 2015-01-31T21:43:28 < scummos> yes of course 2015-01-31T21:43:33 < scummos> well, I got hooked into that microcontroller stuff a bit, which is why I'm here 2015-01-31T21:43:39 < Tectu> scummos, he had to "shut off" his KDE activity recently - not sure if you read his blog. 2015-01-31T21:43:42 < scummos> so I just tend to spend a lot of time on different things 2015-01-31T21:43:52 < scummos> yes, I read planetkde usually 2015-01-31T21:43:59 < Tectu> scummos, I know that feeling. After my short KDE time I went straight for mcu as well 2015-01-31T21:44:07 < Tectu> scummos, but since when are you here? never saw you. 2015-01-31T21:44:16 < scummos> not that long, six weeks maybe 2015-01-31T21:44:19 < scummos> I don't say much either 2015-01-31T21:44:30 < Tectu> I see 2015-01-31T21:44:41 < scummos> basically I once had a problem with USB I needed help with and since then I'm idling and saying stupid comments to offtopic postings 2015-01-31T21:44:42 < Tectu> so randa any time soon again? 2015-01-31T21:44:47 < Tectu> I'm now old enough to bring my own beer ;) 2015-01-31T21:44:51 < qyx_> thats good 2015-01-31T21:44:52 < scummos> hah 2015-01-31T21:44:56 < qyx_> 90% of conversations here are offtopic 2015-01-31T21:45:02 < Tectu> scummos, well, that is 90% of ##stm32 anyway 2015-01-31T21:45:03 < Tectu> lol qyx_ 2015-01-31T21:45:18 < scummos> if randa actually happens and we are invited and it doesn't overlap with something very important I'll come 2015-01-31T21:45:27 < Laurenceb__> Tectu: I see "hardware acceleration" on ugfx site 2015-01-31T21:45:34 < Laurenceb__> it supports DMA2D ? 2015-01-31T21:45:55 < Steffanx> time to make Tectu or qyx_ OP so they can make it 50% or less ? :P 2015-01-31T21:45:57 < Tectu> scummos, I wasn't there the last two years but as you know I am a close friend of unormal. As far as I can tell the randas after "our" weren't that awesome anymore 2015-01-31T21:46:08 < scummos> :( sorry to hear that 2015-01-31T21:46:23 < scummos> I was't there the last two years, either, didn't have time ... I was at akademy though and at various sprints 2015-01-31T21:46:40 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, I have inofficial support for that on my drive. What the website tries to tell you is that it can handle any kind of hardware acc. support. you just have to implement it. 2015-01-31T21:46:54 < Steffanx> lol 2015-01-31T21:46:56 < Laurenceb__> oh lol 2015-01-31T21:47:02 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, there are many people who use "more advanced" / "industrial" LCD controllers which provide hardware accelleration and ugfx allows that. That's all. 2015-01-31T21:47:13 < Laurenceb__> right 2015-01-31T21:47:15 < Steffanx> uGFX: Can get your into space. You just have to implement it. 2015-01-31T21:47:17 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T21:47:27 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-31T21:47:37 < Tectu> scummos, well, the only thing I did after randa was going to the desktop summit in berlin (with unormal, obviously) 2015-01-31T21:47:54 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, Steffanx, hardware acceleration interface are not standardized. I can't provide support for those. 2015-01-31T21:48:05 < Tectu> it's something that is part of the display driver 2015-01-31T21:48:15 < scummos> I've never been to the desktop summit, is it worth it? it seemed nice when it was a joint event of KDE and gnome, which I think I recall it isn't any more or something? 2015-01-31T21:48:17 -!- Peter1 [~Peter2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-31T21:48:27 < scummos> oh it doesn't even take place any more 2015-01-31T21:48:28 < Tectu> and the few display drivers that user and/or I have written were part of a commercial product and somebody paid for it so they were never contributed to the repository. 2015-01-31T21:48:49 < Tectu> scummos, I was there once and it was KDE & Gnome (Afaik the last time). It was very nice 2015-01-31T21:48:59 < Tectu> scummos, meat mark shuttleworth there with unormal 2015-01-31T21:49:03 < scummos> hehe 2015-01-31T21:49:09 < Tectu> scummos, when I remember correctly I was at the last one - sadly 2015-01-31T21:49:18 < Tectu> scummos, but I had a great time there - lots of fun 2015-01-31T21:49:28 < scummos> from what I heard the gnome guys don't want to do it any more or something, quite sad -- I'm sure it is a great idea 2015-01-31T21:49:36 < Tectu> there was this one night where all you can eat BBQ & karaoke night was sponsored by google and intel 2015-01-31T21:49:41 < Tectu> gosh that was a hilarious night 2015-01-31T21:49:45 < scummos> hah, yes, those events are the best 2015-01-31T21:50:02 < Tectu> scummos, I was just glad that there were some same-aged girls there :P 2015-01-31T21:50:07 < scummos> ;D 2015-01-31T21:50:15 < scummos> at such an event! that seems so unlikely 2015-01-31T21:50:23 < Tectu> yes - gnome had some rough time. There were some really rough conversations going on. 2015-01-31T21:50:35 < Tectu> scummos, I assume you remember that zeitgeist guy who was at randa as well? 2015-01-31T21:50:47 < Tectu> scummos, just remember back how that one person could start a fucking group bitch fight 2015-01-31T21:50:47 * scummos searches his memory 2015-01-31T21:50:57 < Tectu> scummos, yes, there weren't many, tho :P 2015-01-31T21:51:03 < Tectu> scummos, but tbh I don't need more than one 2015-01-31T21:51:08 < scummos> :D 2015-01-31T21:51:23 < scummos> I don't explicitly remember the zeitgeist guy, at least not as "the zeitgeist guy" 2015-01-31T21:51:51 < scummos> but the kate/kdevelop fraction is often quite disjoint from most of the rest of people, so I wasn't too much involved with that fight I think 2015-01-31T21:52:58 < Tectu> scummos, most likely due to the fact that the kate/kdevelop fraction was the only one that was really working during that sprint :P 2015-01-31T21:53:03 < Tectu> (beside me, ofc :P) 2015-01-31T21:53:12 < scummos> besides the food team, yes ;D 2015-01-31T21:53:13 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-205-9.nth.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-01-31T21:53:24 < Tectu> gosh, sometimes I was so happy to go to bed :D 2015-01-31T21:53:33 < scummos> I can believe that 2015-01-31T21:53:47 < Tectu> next randa for me is without food. Now that I am a real coder lol 2015-01-31T21:53:55 < Tectu> well, with food but I won't care about it 2015-01-31T21:53:59 < scummos> hah 2015-01-31T21:54:17 < scummos> do you contribute to KDE? 2015-01-31T21:54:43 < scummos> currently I mean 2015-01-31T21:55:02 < Tectu> scummos, not at all. I did start working for the solid stuff back then. But after what I have seen with the KDE / Gnome stuff I got fed up quite quickly (too much politism for my taste - not enough hacking) 2015-01-31T21:55:12 < Tectu> scummos, and I became an embedded person 2015-01-31T21:55:23 < scummos> ah yeah, understandable 2015-01-31T21:55:32 < scummos> luckily we are quite disjoint from any politics 2015-01-31T21:55:57 < Tectu> yes - I told you already back then after several days of spending hours with all the different teams in randa - "yours" was the best 2015-01-31T21:56:07 < scummos> :-) 2015-01-31T21:56:18 < Tectu> too bad I couldn't actually program back then 2015-01-31T21:56:35 < scummos> too bad my current microcontroller project doesn't need UI 2015-01-31T21:56:48 < Steffanx> How can you say that? Everything needs it 2015-01-31T21:56:57 < qyx_> no ui is good ui 2015-01-31T21:57:02 < qyx_> like you said with the code 2015-01-31T21:57:05 < scummos> nah not this, it needs its UI in a computer 2015-01-31T21:57:15 < scummos> yes, that's certainly true to some extent 2015-01-31T21:57:24 < Tectu> scummos, well, just don't forget to take a closer look at ugfx when ever you will need one 2015-01-31T21:57:31 < scummos> I definitely will, Tectu 2015-01-31T21:57:39 < scummos> knowing the maintainer is also always a plus ;) 2015-01-31T21:57:55 < Steffanx> free support is no support 2015-01-31T21:58:00 < Steffanx> like with the code 2015-01-31T21:58:37 < Tectu> scummos, :) 2015-01-31T21:59:01 < Tectu> scummos, oh, I just remember that you're also the guy who showed me awesomeWM 2015-01-31T21:59:09 < scummos> oh yes, right ... I still use it 2015-01-31T21:59:10 < Tectu> scummos, my life changed a lot after knowing you lol 2015-01-31T21:59:19 < Tectu> scummos, I changed to i3 several weeks ago, to be honest 2015-01-31T21:59:21 < scummos> to the better I hope :-) 2015-01-31T21:59:26 < Tectu> but I think of switching back again 2015-01-31T21:59:28 < scummos> yeah, quite similar thing though 2015-01-31T21:59:53 < Tectu> yes, of course ;) 2015-01-31T21:59:58 < scummos> I tried it once 2015-01-31T22:00:00 < Tectu> i3 is basically awesome that works lol 2015-01-31T22:00:12 < Tectu> nah, just kidding. awesome is just "hard" to debug 2015-01-31T22:00:12 < scummos> I think I couldn't minimize windows, that turned me away from it again 2015-01-31T22:00:19 < scummos> somehow that is still part of my workflow 2015-01-31T22:00:40 < Tectu> minimize windows? why on earth would you want to minimize a window when using a multi-tabbed window manager? 2015-01-31T22:00:48 < scummos> yes yes 2015-01-31T22:01:19 < scummos> I know in principle it doesn't make sense but in practice I sometimes want to do it. for the same reason I still use qwertz and not neo 2015-01-31T22:01:40 < Tectu> nobody uses neo 2015-01-31T22:01:47 < scummos> I know people who use neo 2015-01-31T22:01:53 < Tectu> mainly because it's just a brainfuck when you're forced to work on other peoples computers 2015-01-31T22:02:03 < scummos> when their system breaks they can't enter their passphrase for their encrypted hard disk without having a qwertz keyboard as reference 2015-01-31T22:02:13 < scummos> very funny situation 2015-01-31T22:02:24 < Tectu> scummos, I know people who robbed a bank. Knowing people who do something doesn't make that doing that thing right :P 2015-01-31T22:02:35 < Tectu> LOL! 2015-01-31T22:02:45 < scummos> you know people who robbed a bank? "cool" 2015-01-31T22:02:56 < PaulFertser> I use dvorak btw. 2015-01-31T22:03:26 < Steffanx> why qwerty cant be THE standard? 2015-01-31T22:03:27 < Tectu> not really. I typed "raped somebody" first but I figured that it wouldn't leave a good impression of myself 2015-01-31T22:03:39 < scummos> ts ts 2015-01-31T22:03:39 < Tectu> because swiss people need their own layouts!!!!1111elf 2015-01-31T22:03:49 < PaulFertser> qwerty sucks 2015-01-31T22:04:00 < Tectu> PaulFertser, dvorak is the "default" russian stuff, right? 2015-01-31T22:04:40 < PaulFertser> Tectu: no, of course not. 2015-01-31T22:04:54 < PaulFertser> Tectu: it's the most common sane layout for English 2015-01-31T22:05:12 < Tectu> PaulFertser, sorry, I don't really have knowledge about keyboard layouts. I just know that the swiss layout sucks arse 2015-01-31T22:05:16 < Tectu> (for programmers) 2015-01-31T22:05:16 < scummos> Tectu: do you do hardware too or "just" software? 2015-01-31T22:05:24 < Tectu> scummos, hardware too. 2015-01-31T22:05:30 < Tectu> scummos, officially I am a hardware guy, lol 2015-01-31T22:05:34 < scummos> hah 2015-01-31T22:05:39 < scummos> with pcb layout and such? 2015-01-31T22:05:42 < Tectu> yes 2015-01-31T22:05:51 < scummos> cool 2015-01-31T22:05:55 < scummos> what software do you use for pcb layout? 2015-01-31T22:05:59 < Tectu> I used to do 8-layered industrial RF PCBs for quite some time 2015-01-31T22:06:14 < Tectu> scummos, well, for the stuff I just wrote (that was work stuff) I used P-CAD / Altium 2015-01-31T22:06:16 < scummos> very good, then I know whom I can ask about my RF problems 2015-01-31T22:06:20 < Tectu> for my own stuff I use KiCAD 2015-01-31T22:06:20 < scummos> ok 2015-01-31T22:06:26 < scummos> yeah I use kicad as well 2015-01-31T22:06:32 < Tectu> but with KiCAD I have only done some very growded 4 layer so far 2015-01-31T22:06:42 < Tectu> let me get that screenshot... 2015-01-31T22:06:46 < scummos> 8 layer is too expensive for me ;P 2015-01-31T22:08:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-01-31T22:08:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.92.36] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T22:09:00 < Tectu> scummos, http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/5a06d23819ae.jpg 2015-01-31T22:09:04 < Tectu> scummos, http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/10fdef1876d6.jpg 2015-01-31T22:09:21 < jpa-> Tectu: apparently "bruane" is wrong spelling, "bruene" is correct and google knows that one better 2015-01-31T22:09:52 < scummos> Tectu: very nice. what does it do? 2015-01-31T22:09:54 < Tectu> scummos, I am actually doing the 2nd prototype of that thing right now. But I changed the chip(s) that I am using and it now invovles some super fancy BGA crap where 4 layers won't be enough :'( 2015-01-31T22:10:02 < Tectu> scummos, and I hate layouting as fuck 2015-01-31T22:10:07 < Tectu> scummos, it's some waveform generator 2015-01-31T22:10:18 < Tectu> jpa-, thank you very much for doing an eight hours long research on that :) 2015-01-31T22:10:23 < qyx_> Tectu: i can see a bug there 2015-01-31T22:10:37 < jpa-> Tectu: no probs, i'll charge it to the ugfx corporation 2015-01-31T22:10:37 < Tectu> qyx_, there might be many - what do you see? 2015-01-31T22:10:41 < scummos> Tectu: but the advantage of BGA is that it is tiny and makes your board cheaper xD 2015-01-31T22:11:01 < Tectu> scummos, the screenshot you just saw... that layout I did back in 2012 where KiCAD had NO fancy features such as push'n'shove 2015-01-31T22:11:07 < Tectu> scummos, doing that layout was a pain in the arse. 2015-01-31T22:11:14 < qyx_> Tectu: missing sodermask on traces crossing the screening can boundaries 2015-01-31T22:11:23 < scummos> yeah, it takes a lot of time and patience 2015-01-31T22:11:25 < Tectu> scummos, tiny? the chip has 1'200 pins and is proly 50x50mm 2015-01-31T22:11:36 < scummos> 1200 pins, really 2015-01-31T22:11:39 < scummos> what the hell does that do :D 2015-01-31T22:11:52 < Tectu> nah, that's just the one on the devboard that I am using. I'll use some smaller (400) pin version of it 2015-01-31T22:12:02 < Tectu> scummos, it's just some fancy ARM + FPGA in one package thing 2015-01-31T22:12:27 < Tectu> qyx_, "can boundaries" ? 2015-01-31T22:12:29 < jpa-> Tectu: how many waveforms have you generated so far? 2015-01-31T22:12:39 < Tectu> qyx_, soldermask is disabled in that view if I remember correctly 2015-01-31T22:12:40 < Steffanx> 1 2015-01-31T22:12:40 < scummos> ah FPGA, ok 2015-01-31T22:12:55 < jpa-> Tectu: nah, in the actual board; i think we discussed this back in 2012 also 2015-01-31T22:13:01 < Tectu> jpa-, I tend not to count that stuff. This prototype is working and the second one is just working on some FPGA dev board so far (no real analog backend) 2015-01-31T22:13:20 < Tectu> jpa-, I didn't touch that board since then again. It worked so far and that's it. 2015-01-31T22:13:44 < qyx_> Tectu: on the real board i mean 2015-01-31T22:14:25 < qyx_> see the traces going from the DAC 2015-01-31T22:14:32 < Tectu> qyx_, oh, indeed. yes. 2015-01-31T22:14:51 < Tectu> qyx_, there are many more bugs 2015-01-31T22:15:15 < Tectu> qyx_, for example one should have done that ground cage BEHIND the BNC so one can actually put a cover there... 2015-01-31T22:15:34 < qyx_> aha, makes sense 2015-01-31T22:15:35 < qyx_> :> 2015-01-31T22:15:35 < scummos> you should use a less crappy connector than BNC *grin* 2015-01-31T22:15:43 < Tectu> this was my first fancy PCB and I was quite happy how it turned out 2015-01-31T22:15:50 < Tectu> scummos, I plan to use SMA for the next one 2015-01-31T22:16:00 < scummos> +1 2015-01-31T22:16:12 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-31T22:16:15 < scummos> my life improved significantly when I started using SMA for everything instead of BNC 2015-01-31T22:16:27 < Tectu> LOL 2015-01-31T22:17:02 < Tectu> I realized how awesome SMA is when I started using the RF equipment to analyze this board 2015-01-31T22:17:10 < Tectu> that equipment was all SMA and I had that crappy BNC -.- 2015-01-31T22:17:27 < jpa-> i wonder why so many scopes are still bnc 2015-01-31T22:17:55 < scummos> yeah, especially BNC is also quite bad from the electrical perspective. when I can change the signal by wiggling the plug then it's just a crap plug. 2015-01-31T22:18:20 < scummos> yeah, scopes could use N or something 2015-01-31T22:18:23 < jpa-> or maybe you have mixed wrong impedance BNCs 2015-01-31T22:18:29 < jpa-> SMA works fine for scopes 2015-01-31T22:18:46 < Tectu> jpa-, the dsonano stuff had some MXC, right? 2015-01-31T22:18:48 < jpa-> or smb 2015-01-31T22:18:58 < jpa-> Tectu: hmm yeah 2015-01-31T22:19:02 < jpa-> i can't remember these things 2015-01-31T22:19:04 < scummos> U.LF 2015-01-31T22:19:06 < jpa-> i like the mxc 2015-01-31T22:19:07 < scummos> *U.FL 2015-01-31T22:19:09 < jpa-> *mcx 2015-01-31T22:19:19 < Tectu> scummos, did you spot the U.LF connector on my board yet? ;-) 2015-01-31T22:19:34 < Tectu> scummos, I actually used U.LF for the previous patchwork prototype a lot. It's fucking awesome 2015-01-31T22:19:46 < Tectu> scummos, but really just for "internal" connections, tho. 2015-01-31T22:19:55 < scummos> hah yes there it is 2015-01-31T22:20:04 < scummos> yeah, I considered using it for RF test points 2015-01-31T22:20:44 < scummos> but it's difficult to do somehow 2015-01-31T22:20:46 < PaulFertser> karlp: do you think connecting SWO to an Rx of, say, ftdi chip can help anything? 2015-01-31T22:20:50 < Tectu> scummos, lol wut? 2015-01-31T22:20:52 < Tectu> scummos, how comes? 2015-01-31T22:21:00 < scummos> dunno, impedance-wise and stuff 2015-01-31T22:21:06 < Tectu> PaulFertser, stop using ftdi chips, we have to boykott that company! 2015-01-31T22:21:10 < Tectu> bring 'em down! 2015-01-31T22:21:21 < Tectu> scummos, wait... you do RF stuff? 2015-01-31T22:21:24 < scummos> yes 2015-01-31T22:21:36 < scummos> I do radio astronomy as a hobby 2015-01-31T22:21:39 < Tectu> oh 2015-01-31T22:21:39 < Tectu> fancy 2015-01-31T22:21:47 < PaulFertser> Tectu: I'm not going to use one, but does it matter here? Say, prolific chip or what's not. 2015-01-31T22:22:07 < Tectu> I bet that's just a big excuse to have a big arse teleskope on your roof / in your room to spy at your neighbours daugther when showering... 2015-01-31T22:22:07 < scummos> I basically built a SDR for 1.4 GHz-ish 2015-01-31T22:22:18 < Tectu> PaulFertser, I was not that serious, sorry. 2015-01-31T22:22:24 < PaulFertser> :) 2015-01-31T22:22:27 < scummos> sorry to disappoint, my dish is non-reflective at optical wavelengths 2015-01-31T22:22:35 < scummos> also angular resolution is 10 degrees 2015-01-31T22:22:46 < Tectu> should be enough for small boobs, no? 2015-01-31T22:22:56 < Tectu> really big ones* 2015-01-31T22:22:59 < scummos> :D 2015-01-31T22:23:00 < Tectu> meh, that didn't work out :P 2015-01-31T22:23:12 < scummos> no it didn't. but you tried 2015-01-31T22:23:22 < Tectu> I always do, right jpa- ? 2015-01-31T22:23:37 < jpa-> yes 2015-01-31T22:23:43 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-01-31T22:23:54 < Tectu> spank time? 2015-01-31T22:24:04 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T22:24:15 < scummos> http://tinyurl.com/o76bu62 2015-01-31T22:24:19 < scummos> not that big dish 2015-01-31T22:24:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] by ChanServ 2015-01-31T22:24:28 < Steffanx> aaah 2015-01-31T22:24:39 < scummos> basically the biggest you can still carry around without too much problems 2015-01-31T22:26:01 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@139-116.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] by ChanServ 2015-01-31T22:27:58 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-01-31T22:28:34 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T22:30:30 -!- Guest38918 is now known as nothank 2015-01-31T22:49:04 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:01:18 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:08:21 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-205-9.nth.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:08:57 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-31T23:08:57 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:12:09 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-01-31T23:13:38 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:20:33 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:22:53 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-31T23:24:00 -!- DanteA [~X@xdsl-83-150-82-68.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-31T23:25:57 -!- bezoka [~a@78.9.4.31] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:27:04 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-31T23:35:55 -!- ak4rp [~Thunderbi@91.104.110.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-01-31T23:39:52 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TUUaBrhwAQ jpa- 2015-01-31T23:41:30 < Fleck> minus tventish :) 2015-01-31T23:42:26 < englishman> lol 2015-01-31T23:43:33 < englishman> v-conne 2015-01-31T23:43:34 < englishman> lol 2015-01-31T23:44:28 < qyx_> lol 2015-01-31T23:46:01 < Tectu> BrainDamage, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKP7jQknGjs 2015-01-31T23:47:08 < Tectu> check out from 02:30 (especially) 2015-01-31T23:49:17 < Tectu> just check out the entire vid o.O 2015-01-31T23:49:49 < Roklobsta> nice i can't even do a small plain jump without stacking. 2015-01-31T23:50:43 < Tectu> well, you learn the basics in school here lol 2015-01-31T23:52:00 < Roklobsta> then again i have had to put up with australian snow which alternates between sheets of rock hard ice in the morning and becomes a slurpee by lunchtime. 2015-01-31T23:53:29 < englishman> meanwhile in northeast usa http://i.imgur.com/VM3IuCY.jpg 2015-01-31T23:54:58 < Tectu> englishman, it's totally common to do that here 2015-01-31T23:55:10 < Tectu> although we don't have such buildings due to low population :P 2015-01-31T23:55:32 < Tectu> but when I visit my girlfriend I always tend to take the skies to go from her house down the road to the bus stop 2015-01-31T23:55:39 < englishman> sadly it isnt here, but because they plow the roads so fast :( 2015-01-31T23:56:01 < Tectu> well, you can't get rid of 4m of snow on narrow streets 2015-01-31T23:56:07 < Tectu> so they are always covered 2015-01-31T23:56:41 < englishman> .fi? 2015-01-31T23:56:50 < Tectu> .ch 2015-01-31T23:56:53 < englishman> oh 2015-01-31T23:56:57 < Tectu> but alps (mountain) region 2015-01-31T23:57:00 < Tectu> scummos, can tell :P 2015-01-31T23:57:07 < englishman> yes a bit more snow i suppose 2015-01-31T23:57:21 < Tectu> I don't know about the snow situations of .fi 2015-01-31T23:58:25 < kakeman> depends 2015-01-31T23:58:27 < englishman> yeah i dont know how itd be done on skinny eurostreets 2015-01-31T23:59:12 < kakeman> north has a meter and south has like 10cm --- Log closed Sun Feb 01 00:00:05 2015