--- Log opened Wed Apr 01 00:00:30 2015 2015-04-01T00:03:37 < Laurenceb__> fuuuuuuuuuuu 2015-04-01T00:03:38 < Laurenceb__> process.sh: xrealloc: ../bash/subst.c:658: cannot allocate 411190016 bytes (2781106176 bytes allocated) 2015-04-01T00:05:33 < specing> fun fact: that is 678981 memory pages 2015-04-01T00:05:51 < specing> and it factors into 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 89 2543 2015-04-01T00:07:27 < Laurenceb__> lulwut 2015-04-01T00:07:33 < Steffanx> have more fun facts specing? 2015-04-01T00:07:52 < Laurenceb__> the fact he is an autistic savant? 2015-04-01T00:08:30 < Steffanx> who cares, we all have something. 2015-04-01T00:08:51 < Laurenceb__> i have fail syndrome 2015-04-01T00:08:56 < Laurenceb__> cant even make bash work 2015-04-01T00:09:49 < specing> Laurenceb__: I write thousand line bash scripts 2015-04-01T00:09:58 < specing> Mwahahaaha 2015-04-01T00:10:10 < Steffanx> you have C and write thousands of lines of bash.. where did it go wrong? 2015-04-01T00:10:12 < Laurenceb__> well its how i earn a living 2015-04-01T00:10:13 < Steffanx> *hate 2015-04-01T00:10:43 < specing> Steffanx: Im probably going to migrate to SparForte in the near future 2015-04-01T00:14:41 < superbia> how large is the script 2015-04-01T00:14:45 < superbia> we can fix it 2015-04-01T00:15:21 < specing> you can't fix bash or sh 2015-04-01T00:15:33 < specing> the shit is unfixable by design 2015-04-01T00:15:43 < superbia> try me 2015-04-01T00:19:26 < kakimir> I need to study error situation handling else this is going all the place 2015-04-01T00:19:52 < kakimir> material recommendations? 2015-04-01T00:26:51 < Laurenceb__> im going to move it to another server with more memory :P 2015-04-01T00:26:55 < Laurenceb__> simple fix 2015-04-01T00:28:34 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T00:29:13 < karlp> Laurenceb__: qyx_ the contiki guys have got _lots_ of research proved out on some of the sleep mac synching algorithms, it's something they're good at. there's a bunch of papers otulining the algos they tried and used, and the ones they're using now. 2015-04-01T00:29:28 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-01T00:29:38 < Laurenceb__> thanks, thats interesting 2015-04-01T00:29:52 < Laurenceb__> I _was_ very interested in mine based mesh networks 2015-04-01T00:30:11 < karlp> in fact, as best I can tell, it's what contiki is good at doing :) testbed for proving out various theories on the mac layers :) 2015-04-01T00:30:20 < Laurenceb__> but im worried these guys have got there first http://www.strataworldwide.com/electronic-safety/strataconnect 2015-04-01T00:30:42 < karlp> I would have thought mining would be pretty well covered already honestly, lots of money there, lots of safety concerns 2015-04-01T00:31:01 < Laurenceb__> those nodes run off lithium primary DD cells, ~3 years life aiui 2015-04-01T00:31:46 < Laurenceb__> yeah, I work with a few UK companies that work on mine safety, they claimed there was a gap in the market, but they dont seem to know what they are talking about 2015-04-01T00:32:19 < Laurenceb__> strataconnect supposedly gives 20ft CEP position according to the data I can find 2015-04-01T00:33:03 < Laurenceb__> 802.15.4 BPSK , 20kbps, 300kbps DSSS running on 868mhz 2015-04-01T00:33:17 < Laurenceb__> according to FCC docs :P 2015-04-01T00:33:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-01T00:33:37 < Laurenceb__> looks like its AT86RF212 based 2015-04-01T00:34:11 < Laurenceb__> its probably running contiki lol 2015-04-01T00:36:23 < Laurenceb__> for some reason they are talking about 802.11b there 2015-04-01T00:37:46 < Laurenceb__> but msha.gov has the full info on the different types of node 2015-04-01T00:37:50 < qyx_> karlp: yeah, i know contiki, but my goal is a bit different 2015-04-01T00:38:33 < qyx_> i need to actually transfer some data and not sleep most of the time a sometimes forward one few byte packet 2015-04-01T00:39:19 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T00:40:13 < Laurenceb__> qyx_: what transceiver ic are you using? 2015-04-01T00:40:22 < qyx_> 21:33 < qyx_> Laurenceb: semtech, rfm69 atm 2015-04-01T00:40:22 < qyx_> 21:33 < qyx_> but i have boards for si446x and spirit1 2015-04-01T00:40:41 < Laurenceb__> ah cool 2015-04-01T00:41:07 < Laurenceb__> yeah if you use 446x revision c, you can do the preamble detect/sleep mode thing 2015-04-01T00:41:19 < Laurenceb__> that gives you much lower current than spirit1 2015-04-01T00:41:29 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-01T00:42:18 < Laurenceb__> but i havent tried it - it needs DSA enabled, and i found that gave poor AFC performance 2015-04-01T00:44:54 < Laurenceb__> dunno about semtech, iirc the 2FSK performance isnt amazing 2015-04-01T00:46:35 < qyx_> i am using gmsk 2015-04-01T00:46:55 < qyx_> but i still need to innovate some suitable fec 2015-04-01T00:47:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-45f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-01T00:47:08 < qyx_> golay 24, 12 works great but gives me 1/2 rate 2015-04-01T00:48:04 < Laurenceb__> oh 2015-04-01T00:48:10 < Laurenceb__> are you bypassing the modem? 2015-04-01T00:48:55 < Laurenceb__> if you want to get really hardcore, si446x has a "secret" raw IQ io mode 2015-04-01T00:49:14 < qyx_> no, it oficially supports gmsk 2015-04-01T00:49:39 < Laurenceb__> you turned off the CRC and just read the data then run your FEC? 2015-04-01T00:49:44 < qyx_> yep 2015-04-01T00:50:11 < qyx_> you also need to adjust sync word matching to accept some bit errors 2015-04-01T00:50:19 < qyx_> the only un-fecable byte left is the length byte 2015-04-01T00:51:14 < Laurenceb__> yeah 2015-04-01T00:52:21 < Laurenceb__> ages ago i enabled raw iq mode on chipcon 2015-04-01T00:52:23 < Laurenceb__> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chipcon_cc1020_software_define_radio 2015-04-01T00:52:29 < qyx_> i am also planning to do dsss/psss over gmsk 2015-04-01T00:52:40 < Laurenceb__> some packets http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:waterfall.png?cache= 2015-04-01T00:52:43 < qyx_> using gpio raw data output 2015-04-01T00:53:05 < Laurenceb__> protip: thats gps for my house 2015-04-01T00:53:23 < Laurenceb__> interesting idea 2015-04-01T00:54:01 < kakimir> I hate 3 character variable names 2015-04-01T00:54:22 < kakimir> it's looking like assembly 2015-04-01T00:56:06 < kakimir> even 2characters like using them would wear them 2015-04-01T00:59:39 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-01T01:03:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T01:21:38 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btxodbutktsuztei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T01:26:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-01T01:27:55 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-01T01:38:33 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d415f0.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T01:41:21 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d41e43.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T02:06:44 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T02:21:25 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T02:24:47 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-01T02:28:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T02:47:08 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T02:48:14 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T02:48:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-01T02:58:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T03:05:30 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-01T03:08:59 < PeterM> damnit low value resistrs are so friggin expensive 2015-04-01T03:09:11 < dongs> wot 2015-04-01T03:09:58 < PeterM> like 0.002-3-4 ohm 2015-04-01T03:10:09 < PeterM> fer shunts 2015-04-01T03:10:13 < dongs> o 2015-04-01T03:10:47 < PeterM> shits are liek 20c ea 2015-04-01T03:11:15 < dongs> :( 2015-04-01T03:11:59 < PeterM> and thats in 1k 2015-04-01T03:12:34 < zyp> well, you want shit to be precise 2015-04-01T03:12:43 < PeterM> nah 2015-04-01T03:12:52 < PeterM> i'd be fien with 20% 2015-04-01T03:13:53 < zyp> well, if you don't need it to be precise, you might as well slap a calculated trace on the board 2015-04-01T03:14:23 < PeterM> it *is* tempting 2015-04-01T03:14:51 < PeterM> i mean who cares if 7a or 10a goes through? provided it's not 40a idgaf 2015-04-01T03:15:08 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T03:22:06 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T03:40:03 < dongs> http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-thinking-about-just-packing-up-and-making-exac,38342/ 2015-04-01T03:52:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UWpSqDJ.gifv oh, that is GOOD 2015-04-01T03:55:06 < PeterM> hmm... not a family man? 2015-04-01T03:57:13 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T03:58:08 < englishman> haha you can see his rocks breaking 2015-04-01T03:58:26 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-01T03:59:24 < dongs> guys, can someone give me a quick education in voltage sensing arrays??? I need to be like zano 2015-04-01T04:02:30 < PeterM> step one, take the props off before you take your pants off 2015-04-01T04:05:08 < kakimir> voltage sensing what? 2015-04-01T04:05:44 < dongs> To find the best mix of power efficiency for the digital electronics and performance, the digital supply rail voltage has been adjusted. This change requires a voltage sensing array update to better accommodate the battery voltage sensing. 2015-04-01T04:05:48 < dongs> this 2015-04-01T04:09:35 < englishman> they used 3.0v instead of 3.3v to save power? 2015-04-01T04:09:52 < dongs> so they have to buy 12k more LM1117-3.0's 2015-04-01T04:10:23 < englishman> and have to adjust resistor divider values to match new reference 2015-04-01T04:10:27 < englishman> instead of doing it insoftware 2015-04-01T04:10:35 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/10982417_805535286179700_2212921701744020699_o.jpg 2015-04-01T04:10:38 < dongs> did you see 2015-04-01T04:12:28 < dongs> do youthink its adjustable lm1117 2015-04-01T04:12:30 < englishman> amazing 2015-04-01T04:13:03 < englishman> only finest hubsan props 2015-04-01T04:13:25 < dongs> but 2015-04-01T04:13:29 < dongs> they went through twenty motors 2015-04-01T04:13:31 < kakimir> who cares if you buy 10k of linear regulators not costing anything basically 2015-04-01T04:14:09 < englishman> fuck, my shit is obsolete http://blog.surface.com/2015/03/announcing-surface-3/?ocid=Social_surface_fb_2015-03-31_video_Themis_SizzleVideo_organic 2015-04-01T04:14:30 < dongs> wut 2015-04-01T04:14:36 < dongs> surface 3 NONPRO? 2015-04-01T04:15:48 < kakimir> when do we set up EE commune? 2015-04-01T04:15:53 < kakimir> dongs you in? 2015-04-01T04:17:35 < englishman> im already nude 2015-04-01T04:18:16 < kakimir> it's a good begin 2015-04-01T04:18:25 < dongs> lol englishman surface 3 is $500 2015-04-01T04:18:32 < dongs> probably the new worthelss core-m shite 2015-04-01T04:18:41 < englishman> cheaper than ipad 2015-04-01T04:18:42 < dongs> lol wut 2015-04-01T04:18:44 < dongs> 1920x1280 2015-04-01T04:18:47 < dongs> useless rez too 2015-04-01T04:18:54 < dongs> oh, i t s atom x7 2015-04-01T04:18:57 < dongs> complete shitheap 2015-04-01T04:19:39 < dongs> I need to buy hte pen for mine 2015-04-01T04:19:42 < dongs> is it really that amazing 2015-04-01T04:19:54 < dongs> is it capacitative touch shite, or is it proper digitizer 2015-04-01T04:20:44 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T04:23:13 < upgrdman> >_> http://imgur.com/DJBgH6T 2015-04-01T04:23:26 < dongs> so old 2015-04-01T04:23:51 < dongs> like end of 2014 old 2015-04-01T04:24:09 < upgrdman> still nice 2015-04-01T04:24:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-01T04:26:33 < kakimir> what you need 768khz audio dac for ? 2015-04-01T04:26:48 < gxti> 192khz just doesn't cut it these days 2015-04-01T04:26:55 < gxti> even my grandma can tell the difference 2015-04-01T04:27:06 < kakimir> 192 is crap 2015-04-01T04:27:19 < kakimir> but 768khz really? 2015-04-01T04:28:58 < kakimir> upgrdman: better live in a van 2015-04-01T04:29:03 < PeterM> 768khz? what at like 8 bit/ 2015-04-01T04:29:11 < kakimir> 32bit 2015-04-01T04:29:31 < PeterM> so, what are tehy worth? an organ transplant? 2015-04-01T04:29:39 < gxti> 768khz actual frequency or is that just the internal oversampling rate? 2015-04-01T04:29:50 < gxti> because oversampling is a common way to simplify the design/filters 2015-04-01T04:35:14 < kakimir> sampling rate: 30khz - 768khz 2015-04-01T04:36:55 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4352a.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T04:37:57 < kakimir> yes it takes PCM data up to that rate 2015-04-01T04:38:20 < dongs> clearly 2015-04-01T04:38:28 < dongs> the only use for that stuff is to render 3D on your scope 2015-04-01T04:39:34 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d415f0.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-01T04:41:33 < kakimir> maybe they did it just because they could 2015-04-01T04:43:51 < englishman> dongs: your shit didnt come with a pen? 2015-04-01T04:43:54 < englishman> i dont really use it 2015-04-01T04:43:56 < kakimir> is 120db S/N good for audio adc? 2015-04-01T04:44:01 < englishman> but its pressure sensitive and shit 2015-04-01T04:44:14 < dongs> englishman: well, mine fell off pal's truck 2015-04-01T04:44:17 < dongs> so it didnt come wiht a pen 2015-04-01T04:44:28 < dongs> i know its pressure sensitive, thats why it has jewtooth 2015-04-01T04:44:34 < dongs> but im curious about the digitizer part 2015-04-01T04:44:44 < dongs> if its just one of those cloth tip shits that draw on smartphones 2015-04-01T04:44:49 < dongs> or it has a proper digitizer behind the panel 2015-04-01T04:45:06 < englishman> i dono since it works slightly off the panel too 2015-04-01T04:45:21 < dongs> mmm 2015-04-01T04:45:25 < dongs> so thats gotta be digitizer 2015-04-01T04:46:04 < dongs> With Surface Pro 3, Microsoft hoped to reduce all aspects of the display assembly thickness in order to meet the 9.1mm thickness requirement of the tablet. Among other things, this meant the Wacom EMR layer had to go. Without the ability to induce current in an external pen, Microsoft had to move to an active pen that could interact with the display. Microsoft partnered with NTrig to provide a solution for Surface Pro 3. 2015-04-01T04:46:10 < dongs> hmm 2015-04-01T04:47:35 < dongs> so it still works 2015-04-01T04:47:42 < dongs> and not capacititave shit 2015-04-01T04:51:40 < dongs> bought for $27 shipped 2015-04-01T04:51:42 < amstan> dongs: i'm going to break the party with a competitor i just helped launch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9297935 2015-04-01T04:52:09 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T04:52:36 < dongs> amstan: i duno how this ycombinator shit wokrs, i see a lot of text, can you give me a tldr summary 2015-04-01T04:52:46 < amstan> dongs: http://chrome.blogspot.com/2015/03/more-chromebooks-for-everyone.html 2015-04-01T04:54:57 < amstan> it has an stm32f071 in it as a bonus for people in here, lol 2015-04-01T04:55:57 < dongs> amstan: yeah google has stm32s in random places 2015-04-01T04:56:02 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/pv5kPV9.gifv 2015-04-01T04:57:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T04:58:00 < kakimir> anyone had a mad idea to put some cortex inside of rj45 male with some ethernet phy and energy harvester? 2015-04-01T04:58:45 < dongs> yes, doesnt work 2015-04-01T04:59:04 < dongs> zyp, 1SMB5930BT3G for zener 2015-04-01T04:59:53 < dongs> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/stm32/ 2015-04-01T05:00:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T05:03:08 < dongs> bloggin 2015-04-01T05:03:38 < kakimir> have anyone here ever concidered building own WAN instead of just building own LAN? 2015-04-01T05:06:38 < PeterM> yes 2015-04-01T05:06:52 < dongs> wank around network 2015-04-01T05:07:08 < kakimir> i feel like own wan is essential 2015-04-01T05:07:10 < dongs> http://service.smt.docomo.ne.jp/portal/special/src/special_13.html 2015-04-01T05:07:16 < PeterM> then i realized legal implications 2015-04-01T05:07:25 < PeterM> then decided against 2015-04-01T05:07:42 < PeterM> dongs 2015-04-01T05:07:45 < PeterM> is that your watch 2015-04-01T05:07:48 < dongs> yes 2015-04-01T05:07:53 < PeterM> d(ongs)-Watch 2015-04-01T05:08:08 < PeterM> bitches love the d(-Watch) 2015-04-01T05:08:48 < PeterM> good april fools imo 2015-04-01T05:09:11 < kakimir> when is april fools day? 2015-04-01T05:09:32 < PeterM> i believe it is the first of april 2015-04-01T05:09:48 < PeterM> but internationally, probably +/-1 day 2015-04-01T05:10:36 < dongs> zyp, http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/32215315897/50-Pcs-Per-Lot-1-27mm-2x5-Pin-10-Pin-Male-SMT-Shrouded-PCB-Box-Header.jpg for header 2015-04-01T05:11:57 < PeterM> i like those - but you gotta get the profile just right otherwise they end up a bit wibbly woobly 2015-04-01T05:12:08 < dongs> reflow? 2015-04-01T05:12:24 < dongs> duno this is some trash zyp spec'd 2015-04-01T05:12:27 < dongs> he doesnt like the naked ones 2015-04-01T05:12:30 < dongs> wwithout shroud 2015-04-01T05:13:21 < dongs> amstan: so what competitor? 2015-04-01T05:14:17 < dongs> STM32_I2C_ICR(port) = 0x3F38; 2015-04-01T05:14:18 < dongs> nice 2015-04-01T05:15:05 < PeterM> dongie yes reflow 2015-04-01T05:15:34 < dongs> i would expect that stuff to be hightemp rated since its smt 2015-04-01T05:19:37 < upgrdman> is it safe to heat up ferric chloride in a mic oven? 2015-04-01T05:21:04 < kakimir> why cant all plastic parts have glass filling 2015-04-01T05:21:05 < emeb_mac> yes - be sure to use the same microwave oven you use for cooking 2015-04-01T05:21:15 < upgrdman> k :) 2015-04-01T05:21:25 < emeb_mac> FeCl has lots of beneficial nutrients 2015-04-01T05:21:33 < upgrdman> like iron 2015-04-01T05:23:04 < kakimir> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-filled_polymer 2015-04-01T05:24:56 < kakimir> glass filled plastic just feels and looks good 2015-04-01T05:26:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-01T05:29:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T05:32:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T05:37:37 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-01T05:57:23 < dongs> zyp, headers are done 2015-04-01T05:59:06 < kakimir> ear plug type earphones are opressing 2015-04-01T06:00:54 < kakimir> inventions of hell 2015-04-01T06:01:14 < kakimir> -loss of hearing 2015-04-01T06:01:22 < kakimir> -wax 2015-04-01T06:01:49 < kakimir> -sound is shit no matter what 2015-04-01T06:03:02 < kakimir> -build quality is mostly poor 2015-04-01T06:03:10 < PeterM> kakimir not sure if trolling 2015-04-01T06:04:57 < dongs> beaky should really stop changing nicsk daily 2015-04-01T06:05:00 < dongs> hard to keep track 2015-04-01T06:05:08 < kakimir> repaired my k701 audio plug after a month of use of sub 100eur plugs 2015-04-01T06:05:39 < kakimir> my ears and ear channels start to heal 2015-04-01T06:06:40 < PeterM> ive been using the same pair of ER4S for almost 10 years now *shrugs* 2015-04-01T06:08:13 < kakimir> looks legit by price 2015-04-01T06:09:30 < dongs> micro pro, lol 2015-04-01T06:09:34 < dongs> wtf 250 2015-04-01T06:10:39 < kakimir> I like robustness of my current plugs. nothing comes off 2015-04-01T06:11:15 < PeterM> i got them covered by work, so cost was nothing, woo, PPE (personal protective equiptment) regulations!~ 2015-04-01T06:11:29 < kakimir> twisted thick wires 2015-04-01T06:12:17 < kakimir> god damn sosialistic countriers 2015-04-01T06:12:27 < kakimir> countries 2015-04-01T06:25:25 < kakimir> I want to vommit 2015-04-01T06:27:13 < emeb_mac> there goes that rotten haley's comet - makes me sick.. 2015-04-01T06:35:43 < kakimir> how close it was? 2015-04-01T06:37:06 < kakimir> now it's kakiboot> 2015-04-01T06:40:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-01T06:40:11 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T06:47:25 < upgrdman> lol http://dangerousprototypes.com/2015/03/30/arduino-ide-released-for-esp8266/ 2015-04-01T06:47:52 < dongs> lol 2015-04-01T06:51:12 < PeterM> you can use comment sections/forum topics on posts like that to get a list of people who were dropped on their heads at birth 2015-04-01T06:52:11 < yan_> anyone know if ST makes a low power design recommendations guide? i'm looking at their low power document which generally discusses different clock and sleep modes, but i'm looking more of pcb recommendations.. i.e. if i want 2015-04-01T06:52:18 < yan_> (er sent too early, but) 2015-04-01T06:53:13 < yan_> i.e. if i want lowest power sleep modes, should i forego 32.768 crystal, would using HSE lead to lowest runtime draw, or would having both crystals not negatively effect consumption 2015-04-01T06:59:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T07:08:52 -!- rager is now known as woop 2015-04-01T07:14:30 < dongs> gpd ficlomg da,m 2015-04-01T07:14:36 < dongs> left the fucking metcal running again 2015-04-01T07:14:40 < dongs> 24h 2015-04-01T07:14:41 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4352a.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-01T07:14:54 < emeb_mac> survive? 2015-04-01T07:16:40 < dongs> of course not, tip is thoroughly fucked 2015-04-01T07:18:28 < emeb_mac> and those tips aren't cheap, right? 2015-04-01T07:19:40 < dongs> just going to place a digicrap order for this shit right now 2015-04-01T07:19:41 < dongs> so pissed 2015-04-01T07:20:51 < emeb_mac> I've left my Hakko on for days before - tip seems ok - usually have lots of solder blob on it tho 2015-04-01T07:23:05 < ds2> hmmm? 2015-04-01T07:23:17 < ds2> you don't have the temp reducing stand for the metcal? 2015-04-01T07:23:42 < dongs> ds2: thats what im ordering right nwo 2015-04-01T07:23:46 < ds2> I have no issue with leaving it on that stand for days 2015-04-01T07:23:46 < dongs> fucking pissed off 2015-04-01T07:23:50 < ds2> oh hehe 2015-04-01T07:23:59 < ds2> it is just a magnet in the stand 2015-04-01T07:24:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T07:24:30 < dongs> i tried 2015-04-01T07:24:32 < dongs> doesnt make a differnce 2015-04-01T07:24:40 < dongs> i have a small hdd neomydium magnet thingy 2015-04-01T07:24:47 < dongs> couldnt find any place that makes it cool down 2015-04-01T07:24:49 < dongs> on the handle 2015-04-01T07:25:01 < ds2> maybe stand isn't magnetically conductive enough 2015-04-01T07:25:11 < ds2> the tip is the magic material 2015-04-01T07:25:20 < ds2> magnets cool it down cuz it shifts the curie temp 2015-04-01T07:25:57 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ihmiibtjvluxmxfr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-01T07:29:33 < emeb_mac> how can you tell they're fake? 2015-04-01T07:29:58 < emeb_mac> hardly a certain indicator 2015-04-01T07:30:20 < emeb_mac> yeah - decapping is apparently a thing now 2015-04-01T07:35:44 < upgrdman> R2COM, any idea why some of those silicon inductors are clean spirals and others criss-cross repeatedly at the middle? 2015-04-01T07:36:20 < upgrdman> ooooooh 2015-04-01T07:38:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, what are those things like look like 0.1" header arrays around the inductors? 2015-04-01T07:40:56 < upgrdman> what for? is it like a ground plane? 2015-04-01T07:56:34 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T07:57:57 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-01T08:12:10 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171675149550? lol 2015-04-01T08:12:13 < dongs> found new gaming rig for r2com 2015-04-01T08:17:40 -!- DanteA [~X@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-01T08:20:34 < dongs> < kanupatar> May I know, Is there any version of Linux kernel that follow iso26262 standards? 2015-04-01T08:23:01 < upgrdman> :/ http://i.imgur.com/MsAC0g8.jpg 2015-04-01T08:23:15 < jpa-> upgrdman: your baby? 2015-04-01T08:23:15 < dongs> your new kid? 2015-04-01T08:23:20 < dongs> lo' 2015-04-01T08:23:20 < upgrdman> no 2015-04-01T08:23:23 < jpa-> it's got your nose 2015-04-01T08:33:48 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/PwgJuab 2015-04-01T08:34:35 < upgrdman> ahahaha http://i.imgur.com/ZykpcwT.jpg 2015-04-01T08:36:18 < dongs> http://www.fail.nl/item/russisch-meisje-krijgt-haar-eerste-karmales 2015-04-01T08:37:28 < ReadError> goodday comrades 2015-04-01T08:37:29 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266 2015-04-01T08:37:38 < ReadError> is this paper blog worth buying? 2015-04-01T08:38:34 < upgrdman> dat price 2015-04-01T08:39:12 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Cloning-Read-Error/dp/0521809266 < ReadError this is the one you want 2015-04-01T08:41:48 < upgrdman> so an easy way to reduce noise in a signal is a rolling average. is there a better way (faster responding but ignoring small changes) ? seems like something i'd learn in a statistics class... which i havn't taken yet 2015-04-01T08:41:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-46-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T08:42:33 < jpa-> upgrdman: it depends a lot on the kind of noise you want to remove 2015-04-01T08:42:55 < upgrdman> cheap adc noise :) 2015-04-01T08:43:13 < jpa-> there are many kinds of that also, depending on circuit 2015-04-01T08:43:24 < upgrdman> stm32 2015-04-01T08:43:24 < jpa-> linear filters work well for noise that is on a specific frequency band outside your signal band 2015-04-01T08:43:31 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Dise%C3%B1o-desarrollo-circuitos-impresos-Kicad/dp/8493776912/ <-- for dongs 2015-04-01T08:43:50 < jpa-> for anything else, it gets into the domain of non-linear filtering, where there is infinite amount of variations 2015-04-01T08:44:01 < upgrdman> k 2015-04-01T08:44:24 < upgrdman> what should i google/tube? non-linear filtering? 2015-04-01T08:44:40 < jpa-> you can just type up "if (new_value - avg > threshold) avg = new_value;" and that's already a nonlinear filter 2015-04-01T08:45:05 < upgrdman> hmm 2015-04-01T08:45:30 < jpa-> so basically it is a task of looking at the data and figuring out your own solution 2015-04-01T08:45:37 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T08:45:37 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-01T08:45:37 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T08:45:57 < jpa-> looking at common things like median filters and trimmed mean can give good starting points, but most of the time you'll end up with something custom 2015-04-01T08:46:28 < upgrdman> ok thanks 2015-04-01T09:05:05 < PeterM> created new account for e14 instead of using old scambussiness account - get phonecall from e14 telling me they accidentally deleted the order because the new account hadn't registered before the order when through. 2015-04-01T09:06:28 < emeb_mac> professional business practices 2015-04-01T09:06:34 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=24LCS22A 2015-04-01T09:06:37 < dongs> wat is this bullshit 2015-04-01T09:06:42 < dongs> Upon power-up, the device will be in the Transmit-Only mode, sending a serial bit stream of the memory array from 00h to 7Fh, clocked by the VCLK pin. 2015-04-01T09:07:44 < dongs> oh hm i wonder if its some DDC related trash 2015-04-01T09:09:05 < jpa-> could be useful sometime 2015-04-01T09:11:44 < upgrdman> ddc? 2015-04-01T09:12:10 < PeterM> dongs display contraptions 2015-04-01T09:15:13 < dongs> i like that 2015-04-01T09:17:53 -!- TestNickMy [~akawolf@188.162.64.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T09:20:27 < dongs> 3 out of 5 2015-04-01T09:20:27 < dongs> By nguyenhuynh 2015-04-01T09:20:27 < dongs> Experience: < 1 yr 2015-04-01T09:20:27 < dongs> Design Phase: Research 2015-04-01T09:20:27 < dongs> Location: VIET NAM 2015-04-01T09:20:30 < dongs> about PCA9306 2015-04-01T09:20:32 < dongs> Posted on:November 7, 2013 2015-04-01T09:20:35 < dongs> " I CAN'T USE IT! 2015-04-01T09:20:37 < dongs> I DO NOT KNOW CAUSE ME DO OR DO IC PCA9306 " 2015-04-01T09:20:40 < dongs> Was this review helpful to you?Yes No 2015-04-01T09:20:46 < dongs> No 2015-04-01T09:23:31 < PeterM> HOW DO I SHOT WEB 2015-04-01T09:23:40 < dongs> move to vietnam 2015-04-01T09:24:01 < PeterM> VIET 2015-04-01T09:24:02 < PeterM> NAM 2015-04-01T09:24:12 < dongs> land of proEEs 2015-04-01T09:24:56 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T09:24:57 < PeterM> land of many dongs too 2015-04-01T09:25:22 < dongs> literally 2015-04-01T09:25:30 < PeterM> indeed 2015-04-01T09:26:44 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4352a.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T09:27:36 < dongs> i got taht pca thing for somethign else but looks like it'll work to allow me editing edid eeprom from 3.3V mcu too 2015-04-01T09:28:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-01T09:28:55 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-01T09:32:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T09:33:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T09:33:52 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T09:38:24 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T09:44:15 < Getty> oh god, waking up to imgur replies is like waking up to retardation..... 2015-04-01T09:44:40 < dongs> how is that different from posting on imgur in the first place 2015-04-01T09:44:54 < Getty> true that, i just cant stop it to point out stupid things when i see them 2015-04-01T09:45:06 < Getty> the joke is then, that even MORE stupid people reply to that....... 2015-04-01T09:46:11 < Getty> but this now is really like.... yeah, its really sad that americans actually are allowed to go on the internet ;) 2015-04-01T09:46:19 < Getty> they should make some kind of minimum test before or something, would help 2015-04-01T09:48:36 < dongs> racist 2015-04-01T09:49:46 < ReadError> says the guy posting on an american site ;) 2015-04-01T09:50:43 < Getty> ReadError: well try to avoid this 2015-04-01T09:51:06 < Getty> ReadError: but yeah the last months was all in my head: "i must make a german reddit, i must make a german reddit" 2015-04-01T09:51:36 < Getty> like really GERMAN........ i think alone by the hate we have these days on US cause of the spying, that might be a hit 2015-04-01T09:52:15 < Getty> just today BND (Our own spy agency) admitted to gave like huge amount of analyze data of our DE-CIX (central internet exchange point in germany) to the NSA 2015-04-01T09:52:27 < Getty> \o/ 2015-04-01T09:52:50 < ReadError> isnt 9gag like the german reddit? 2015-04-01T09:52:57 < Getty> ?!?!?!?!? oh dear, no 2015-04-01T09:52:59 < Getty> 9gag is so american 2015-04-01T09:53:10 < ReadError> then why does every damn german browse it ;p 2015-04-01T09:53:12 < Getty> its even more deep american as reddit, as 9gag is even filtering out any intelligence ;) 2015-04-01T09:53:48 < Getty> hey, i have ADD and i need pics, i browse them all ;) but funnily: not the german picture sites, cause they are REALLY boring and massivly "ad-powered" 2015-04-01T09:54:00 < Getty> (and they all exclude a discussion forum) 2015-04-01T09:56:01 < dongs> jpa-: lol, smoothieBORED uses polled gpio for endstops 2015-04-01T09:56:07 < dongs> does LPC not have EXTI-like shit? 2015-04-01T09:56:09 < dongs> what the fucking hell 2015-04-01T09:57:06 < Getty> And Debian makes their jessie release statement on 1. april ;-) today will for sure get a funny day 2015-04-01T09:58:35 < jpa-> dongs: well, considering that they use interrupts and plain GPIO for doing the steps, polling for endstops doesn't seem too crazy 2015-04-01T09:58:44 < jpa-> it does have the benefit that you can assign pins very freely 2015-04-01T10:06:22 < dongs> jpa-: yeah, i heard, LPC only has liek 6 hardware timer outptus 2015-04-01T10:06:24 < dongs> all from ONE timer 2015-04-01T10:06:28 < dongs> so no diffferent period etc 2015-04-01T10:06:34 < dongs> who the fuck actually uses that shit? 2015-04-01T10:08:31 < jpa-> but yeah, now that i see that machinekit on beaglebone costs about the same, i've been wondering 1) why does smoothie project exist 2) why did i ever buy it 2015-04-01T10:09:32 < dongs> jpa-: well, beagleboner is lunix trash 2015-04-01T10:09:44 < dongs> so thats a pretty big showstopper here 2015-04-01T10:09:47 < jpa-> yeah, but i don't mind that 2015-04-01T10:09:51 < jpa-> i'm all for lunix trash 2015-04-01T10:10:23 < jpa-> besides: IIRC smoothieboard USB doesn't work properly for windows 2015-04-01T10:10:42 < dongs> i duno if they ever got the drivers signed 2015-04-01T10:11:07 < jpa-> IIRC there was also some other problems which required to disable usb mass storage on some systems 2015-04-01T10:18:24 < dongs> sounds fucking pro 2015-04-01T10:18:37 < dongs> jpa, which smoothie you goto 2015-04-01T10:18:38 < dongs> the old beta 2015-04-01T10:18:41 < dongs> or the new dickstarted shit 2015-04-01T10:18:44 < dongs> goto=got 2015-04-01T10:19:34 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T10:21:09 < jpa-> dongs: dickstarted one, though after dickstarter 2015-04-01T10:21:16 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T10:24:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.39] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T10:25:31 < Getty> yeah lets make a dickstarter together 2015-04-01T10:25:33 < Getty> \o/ 2015-04-01T10:26:25 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T10:27:45 < PeterM> Getty, thats fine as long as the solderballs dont touch 2015-04-01T10:28:05 < Getty> that would be pretty gay, for sure ;) 2015-04-01T10:28:41 < jpa-> i thought it was that soldermasks don't touch 2015-04-01T10:28:47 < jpa-> that's what tectu told me! 2015-04-01T10:29:54 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T10:30:23 < dongs> jpa, if you dont need it later i can paypal off of you 2015-04-01T10:30:32 < dongs> i got the old beta one 2015-04-01T10:30:33 < dongs> with cut traces 2015-04-01T10:30:37 < dongs> NOT LIKE IM USING IT OR ANYTHING 2015-04-01T10:31:00 < jpa-> heh 2015-04-01T10:31:08 < jpa-> but i'll probably keep it, "you never know" 2015-04-01T10:31:13 < dongs> RIGHT 2015-04-01T10:31:58 < ReadError> dongs gonna put one in the laser? 2015-04-01T10:32:10 < jpa-> i might upgrade something at hacklab, it's still better than the arduino crap 2015-04-01T10:32:22 < dongs> ReadError: no 2015-04-01T10:32:24 < dongs> laser works 2015-04-01T10:42:33 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T10:46:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T11:02:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-46-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-01T11:04:43 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-01T11:06:41 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T11:11:35 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-01T11:11:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T11:12:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T11:15:32 < c10ud> hey, I have a stm32f401 and I'm trying to capture PDM samples from the onboard mic through DMA (triggered by timer1 externally clocked) The same setup works 100% ok if I acquire through i2s, however when acquiring samples directly from gpio the sound has somekind of white noise...Ideas? anyone ever tried this? it looks like the gpio pin captures the wrong samples, or something like that 2015-04-01T11:17:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T11:19:24 < dongs> um 2015-04-01T11:19:28 < dongs> i2s comes from where? 2015-04-01T11:19:34 < dongs> mic has i2s output? 2015-04-01T11:19:46 < dongs> i thought PDM was some encrypted stuff that needed a blob to read it 2015-04-01T11:32:25 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T11:32:28 < c10ud> dongs, it just needs a filter, and i2s is just serial 2015-04-01T11:33:23 < dongs> white noise = completely cant hear anything or occasional noise? 2015-04-01T11:34:40 < c10ud> i can distinctly hear voice, but there's this static noise 2015-04-01T11:34:52 < dongs> oh, maybe youre over/underrunning DMA buffer? 2015-04-01T11:35:03 < c10ud> well, could be 2015-04-01T11:35:21 < c10ud> the stm manual says gpio can only be read as words 2015-04-01T11:35:28 < c10ud> I am starting the dma byte-to-byte 2015-04-01T11:36:17 < dongs> what exactly are you doing? DMAing gpio to memory, triggered by timer? 2015-04-01T11:36:24 < dongs> you only need one pin data? 2015-04-01T11:36:31 < c10ud> yep 2015-04-01T11:36:38 < dongs> is tehre any reason you cant just use input capture? 2015-04-01T11:36:41 < dongs> on that same TIM1 2015-04-01T11:36:49 < dongs> to let hardware handle it yanno 2015-04-01T11:36:52 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-01T11:37:54 < c10ud> well, atm i tried only this way 2015-04-01T11:38:21 < dongs> and as far as I know, yes you will need to do dma in 16bits for gpio. 2015-04-01T11:38:24 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T11:38:51 < dongs> but anywa,y if its square pulses, i'd recommend using input capture 2015-04-01T11:39:00 < dongs> since then you'll actually get exact timing.. 2015-04-01T11:40:27 < jpa-> yeah, input capture might work better, though if you read the GPIO properly it should work also 2015-04-01T11:40:53 < dongs> right, if its DMA clocked off timer there's going to be some neglibible delay that probably doesnt matter 2015-04-01T11:40:58 < jpa-> i would think that input capture with timer could be made with less CPU use, but it's probably less than 2x difference 2015-04-01T11:41:02 < c10ud> do you think it could be the dma actually feeding lower 8 bits and then higher 8 bits while I think I am getting lower8+lower8? 2015-04-01T11:41:06 < dongs> just less crap/cpu 2015-04-01T11:41:18 < dongs> c10ud: no idea, you should read peripherals in thier width 2015-04-01T11:41:34 < dongs> so if youre only intersted in 1bit from 16, you should re-evaluate the way you access it. 2015-04-01T11:41:37 < jpa-> c10ud: IIRC there is a table in the DMA section of ref manual 2015-04-01T11:41:48 < jpa-> c10ud: but that should be easy enough to check in a debugger 2015-04-01T11:42:26 < jpa-> SPI driven by the external clock is probably the most efficient way to capture only a single bit data, but not sure if that is relevant here 2015-04-01T11:43:22 < dongs> he already got it working by doing that wiht I2S 2015-04-01T11:43:36 < c10ud> well it actually is, just thought direct gpio was the easiest to expand e.g. 2, 3,4 .. mics 2015-04-01T11:43:40 < dongs> not sure why would wanna switch tp GPIO 2015-04-01T11:43:45 < dongs> o 2015-04-01T11:43:49 < c10ud> not that I need > 2, but.. 2015-04-01T11:43:59 < dongs> c10ud: how would they all by synched 2015-04-01T11:44:08 < c10ud> by tim1 clock 2015-04-01T11:44:14 < dongs> ah, the mic neesd input clock? 2015-04-01T11:44:21 < c10ud> and Im feeding tim1 with an external 24.576 mhz signal 2015-04-01T11:44:24 < c10ud> yep 2015-04-01T11:44:42 < dongs> 24mhz is pretty high 2015-04-01T11:44:49 < c10ud> I need it for i2s-out 2015-04-01T11:44:51 < c10ud> (dac) 2015-04-01T11:45:03 < jpa-> ah, well yeah if you consider expansion then gpio might make sense 2015-04-01T11:45:39 < jpa-> though timer capture would work equally well for 2 mics 2015-04-01T11:45:57 < dongs> or 3, or 45 2015-04-01T11:45:57 < c10ud> in fact in case of failure spi is the preferred choice 2015-04-01T11:45:59 < dongs> er 4 2015-04-01T11:46:25 < c10ud> i2s limits to 2 and introduces a small delay between channels 2015-04-01T11:46:43 < c10ud> i need to check this 8bit read vs 16bit 2015-04-01T11:49:01 < Getty> i got a new "nick" for Zano: Za-not ;) they actually called for this one with that name 2015-04-01T11:52:12 < PeterM> or just zaNO 2015-04-01T11:57:36 < Getty> ah damn! you are right 2015-04-01T11:59:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-01T12:01:05 < Getty> and its also spreading in german press, its unbelievable, and not one "critic" statement, nothing 2015-04-01T12:01:14 -!- TestNickMy [~akawolf@188.162.64.7] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-01T12:01:18 < Getty> the press is just 1:1 taking all the good stuff and good statements and make an article about it 2015-04-01T12:01:29 < Getty> press is so worthless and still wants protection for their work 2015-04-01T12:13:09 < dongs> Getty: yeah zaNO works, ive been using it 2015-04-01T12:13:29 < ReadError> im waiting for the rage 2015-04-01T12:13:32 < dongs> also flyzaNO 2015-04-01T12:13:37 < ReadError> after customers find out the motors dont last 2015-04-01T12:13:54 < dongs> last? 2015-04-01T12:13:58 < dongs> it won't even take off 2015-04-01T12:14:22 < ReadError> well i mean assuming it does 2015-04-01T12:14:27 < dongs> but it wont 2015-04-01T12:14:33 < ReadError> run time on those little motors is only a few hrs 2015-04-01T12:17:21 < dongs> ivan is making sure its future-proof 2015-04-01T12:17:26 < dongs> with enough amaze for 2 years 2015-04-01T12:17:31 < dongs> he will definitely pick amazing motors 2015-04-01T12:17:34 < dongs> that will last 2 years!!11 2015-04-01T12:17:44 < ReadError> they should have gone brushless then ;p 2015-04-01T12:18:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-01T12:19:35 < ReadError> dongs https://code.google.com/p/afrodevices/downloads/detail?name=afroesc_dist.zip&can=2&q= 2015-04-01T12:19:47 < ReadError> is this pin compat w/ the current ? 2015-04-01T12:19:49 < Getty> dongs: yeah i was really not "seeing" it, i saw you writing zaNO but i was not parsing it really in my brain ;) 2015-04-01T12:20:09 < Getty> zaNOfly..... 2015-04-01T12:20:42 < zyp> dongs, swd headers looks good, current rating on that zener doesn't looks too low to be able to clamp anything 2015-04-01T12:21:03 < dongs> zyp, so the zener is shit? 2015-04-01T12:21:08 < dongs> what would you rather get then 2015-04-01T12:21:14 < dongs> you werent very specific. 2015-04-01T12:21:46 < dongs> cloneError: nmo 2015-04-01T12:21:47 < dongs> no 2015-04-01T12:24:18 < ReadError> im trying to innovate and dont want to put in much effort, fark 2015-04-01T12:25:24 < zyp> dongs, http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/ds19002.pdf <- I was thinking something like this shit, that's actually designed for clamping 2015-04-01T12:25:51 < dongs> so SMBJ16(C)A ? 2015-04-01T12:26:40 < zyp> wait, let me go over the numbers and shit again 2015-04-01T12:26:44 < dongs> ok 2015-04-01T12:26:54 < dongs> chinagirl is gone anywaey, and the rest of your bom will be collected tomrow 2015-04-01T12:26:59 < dongs> so ill tell to swap that one out 2015-04-01T12:29:21 < zyp> hmm, I guess what I want is actually the avalanche effect and not the zener effect, and TVS diodes are utilizing the former 2015-04-01T12:29:50 < dongs> this is just some crap across VCC to stop whatever? 2015-04-01T12:29:53 < dongs> i think tvs goes tehre 2015-04-01T12:30:04 < dongs> across vcc/gnd 2015-04-01T12:30:27 < zyp> across vin, after the polyfuse 2015-04-01T12:30:46 < dongs> k then i duno 2015-04-01T12:30:51 < dongs> youtell me, i'll get it. 2015-04-01T12:32:07 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T12:32:40 < zyp> I think SMBJ15A will be good 2015-04-01T12:33:21 < zyp> hmm, looks like that part name is common across a ton of manufacturers 2015-04-01T12:33:23 < PaulFertser> An offtopic legislation question: if you drive a car in full accordance to the traffic laws, and hit a human who is walking in the middle of the road (violating the rules), are you obliged to pay for the violator's medical treatment or funerals? 2015-04-01T12:34:20 < zyp> PaulFertser, where in the world is it legal to run over a human walking in the road? 2015-04-01T12:34:32 < dongs> russia? 2015-04-01T12:34:37 < Getty> vodka 2015-04-01T12:34:41 < PaulFertser> In Russia if you're driving a car you're responsible for any damage to health or life, irregardless of whether you could have stopped or not. 2015-04-01T12:34:48 < zyp> if it's not, you're not driving in accordance to the traffic laws 2015-04-01T12:34:51 < baird> That's a question on liability, rather than legality.. 2015-04-01T12:35:06 < PaulFertser> But if he survives, he'll then have to pay for the car repair because it'd be his guilt. 2015-04-01T12:35:30 < zyp> uh, that doesn't make sense 2015-04-01T12:35:31 < PeterM> http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Vibe_Therapy/Meridian/1.html classy 2015-04-01T12:35:42 < Getty> in germany its the same in the direction of big to small... so the bigger vehicle-class is always responsible, like car <=> bike, bike <=> pedestrian 2015-04-01T12:36:14 < Getty> but insurances are making all the dealing, less of a big legal thing in germany ;) 2015-04-01T12:36:21 < zyp> yeah, same here 2015-04-01T12:36:29 < dongs> To illustrate its size, we've placed the Meridian next to an NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan X, bigger and blacker does not always mean better! 2015-04-01T12:36:32 < dongs> wut 2015-04-01T12:36:35 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, it's the way I describe. If you're controlling a "dangerous equipment" you're liable for any damage to health or life, unless you can prove the damage was caused because the person had an intent to be damaged. 2015-04-01T12:37:30 < PeterM> dongs techpowerup april fools 2015-04-01T12:37:32 < PaulFertser> Getty: here it doesn't matter if it's a car or motorbike. A bicycle might be considered a "dangerous equipment" probably if collides with a pedestrian on a high speed, but otherwise it's likely not. 2015-04-01T12:37:36 < dongs> PeterM: ah 2015-04-01T12:37:55 < PeterM> got power cnsumption, scope shots of vibe modes etc though 2015-04-01T12:38:10 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-01T12:38:47 < Getty> PaulFertser: you have at least the dashcams, which are technical illegal in germany 2015-04-01T12:41:10 < ReadError> illegal? why 2015-04-01T12:41:16 < Getty> privacy 2015-04-01T12:41:19 < rkreis_> PaulFertser, just keep in mind that "driving in full accordance to the traffic laws" does include slowing down and stopping even if the other person is not following traffic law 2015-04-01T12:41:29 < ReadError> Getty but you are driving in public 2015-04-01T12:41:41 < Getty> you could technical have them but only if you cant access the data without accident and if the data is erased after time X 2015-04-01T12:42:15 < Getty> yeah still, you also cant make security cameras here who see 1 bit of the public areas 2015-04-01T12:42:51 < Getty> (even tho, exceptions are there, but its not allowed by default) 2015-04-01T12:43:01 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T12:43:11 < ReadError> so is taking photos in public illegal? 2015-04-01T12:43:15 < ReadError> seems like an odd law 2015-04-01T12:43:19 < rkreis_> the intention matters 2015-04-01T12:43:45 < rkreis_> using a dashcam to make beautiful videos of the road (like motorcyclists do) is fine, using it to assign guilt in case of an accident isn't 2015-04-01T12:43:55 < Roklobsta> nuclear reactor spotting isn't an excuse. 2015-04-01T12:44:00 < Getty> readerror: well, it depends, yes, its technical illegal to make pictures just by random just because you are in a public area, it must be something where the person "can be expected to be recorded" like events 2015-04-01T12:44:38 < Getty> or you have a clear intention of not "recording", yes, like if you make a beautiful picture of a train station its no problem 2015-04-01T12:44:41 < ReadError> thats fuckin nuts 2015-04-01T12:44:50 < Getty> but running around with the camera and making pictures of everyone randomly is totally illegal 2015-04-01T12:45:19 < Getty> privacy is really BIG here 2015-04-01T12:45:26 < rkreis_> they had an accident a while ago where an (illegal) dashcam recording would've proven someone's guilt, except that it could not be used as evidence 2015-04-01T12:45:42 < Getty> hehe yeah, i can imagine :) 2015-04-01T12:46:04 < rkreis_> (to clarify: i'm also from germany) 2015-04-01T12:46:18 < Getty> i assumed ;) 2015-04-01T12:46:20 < ReadError> Getty Ive noticed germany has a very high percentage of tin foil hat wear'ers 2015-04-01T12:46:26 < Getty> lol 2015-04-01T12:46:29 < ReadError> like people so paranoid to upload a video to youtube 2015-04-01T12:46:37 < ReadError> im not even shitting you 2015-04-01T12:46:45 < Getty> well if you upload a video to youtube you are already half in legal trouble in germany 2015-04-01T12:47:11 < Getty> its nearly impossible not to piss of someone on some level, beside if you really just make a selfie video ;) but even then be careful what you say 2015-04-01T12:47:16 < baird> Odd. There's no 'right to privacy in a public place' in Australia. It's certainly legal to take pics from a public place at a house window. You can still get into trouble using the photos for other means, though. 2015-04-01T12:47:40 < baird> Commonwealth Property and a few other exceptions. 2015-04-01T12:47:41 < ReadError> well half of youtube is probably blocked from good ole GEMA 2015-04-01T12:47:50 < Getty> baird: if i would install a webcam on my window it wouldnt take 24 hours till someone reports to the cops 2015-04-01T12:48:24 < Getty> readerror: GEMA is the pest..... i hope everyone working there dies a horrible death 2015-04-01T12:48:45 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-01T12:49:01 < Getty> the joke is even if you go deeper into understanding GEMA 2015-04-01T12:49:16 < Getty> its not like that the income is shared fair 2015-04-01T12:49:24 < baird> Youtube has a lot of Australian-law violating stuff-- 'hotel sex sounds videos': making a recording where there's a reasonable expectation of privacy. 2015-04-01T12:49:42 < Getty> the big german assets are getting a huge chunk while their work is not in anyway representing that much of the current culture and listening counts 2015-04-01T12:50:08 < rkreis_> someone in my neighbourhood installed a camera that might or might not be pointing at someone else's garden -> court date 2015-04-01T12:50:28 < rkreis_> fun part: it's illegal even if it isn't pointing there, as long as it *looks like it might be* 2015-04-01T12:50:29 < Getty> rkeis_: yes..... and i am so greedy to install one ;-))) 2015-04-01T12:50:39 < Getty> yeah 2015-04-01T12:50:41 < Getty> its pervert 2015-04-01T12:50:54 < baird> GEMA sounds like .au's ARIA. They collect mega-millions a year for legislation mandated fees to spend on all the cocaine they need. 2015-04-01T12:50:58 < Getty> btw that also counts for garden cams if they reach the neighbourhood garden 2015-04-01T12:51:04 < Getty> but thats... more logical, right 2015-04-01T12:51:34 < Getty> baird: well GEMA itself is not taking the money so directly, but the cocaine sniffing german top artist from 20-30 years ago, they get it 2015-04-01T12:52:55 < baird> Anyone wanting to play music in a public area-- even their own, or copyright-free stuff, has to pay a minimum of $1500/yr to ARIA. 2015-04-01T12:53:12 < Getty> yeah but in germany you cant play in public in the first place ;) 2015-04-01T12:53:19 < Getty> but IF you play non-gema music and can prove it, then you are fine 2015-04-01T12:53:28 < Getty> IF you get the allownace of the city to play music 2015-04-01T12:53:45 < rkreis_> as far as i remember, you can't prove that it's non-gema if it's anonymous or so :D 2015-04-01T12:53:55 < Getty> yeah you MUST have a proven artist 2015-04-01T12:54:08 < Getty> and you must be able to prove like anything is legal around that 2015-04-01T12:54:28 < Getty> and if you cant prove it for ONE song, _ALL_ songs are counted as GEMA and you have to pay for the complete event you did 2015-04-01T12:54:46 < Getty> which is now i think 15% of the income of the event 2015-04-01T12:54:47 < baird> To prove all that has to be done in a way that costs you more than the extortion fee in the first place, of course. 2015-04-01T12:55:22 < Getty> well it is a huge chunk they want 2015-04-01T12:55:28 < Getty> its really % of the income of the event 2015-04-01T12:55:39 < Getty> not "listening count" or "amount of songs played" thats all totally irrelevant 2015-04-01T12:56:08 < Getty> and if its a free event i think it comes to the "cost of the event" or something 2015-04-01T12:56:58 < rkreis_> i don't think the basic idea is so bad, but it really should be opt-in (and have competitors) 2015-04-01T12:57:17 < rkreis_> imagine having to deal with every artist remotely involved in an event 2015-04-01T12:57:33 < Getty> the artist has no control whatsoever 2015-04-01T12:57:34 < Getty> none 2015-04-01T12:57:40 < Getty> like really none none, he cant influence anything 2015-04-01T12:57:51 < Getty> he cant say "i want to make a free song for all" this is just disallowed 2015-04-01T12:57:54 < rkreis_> he can opt-out, can't he? which basically means he won't get any money, that's it :) 2015-04-01T12:57:56 < Getty> for the rest of his life!!!!! 2015-04-01T12:57:59 < Getty> no you cant opt out 2015-04-01T12:58:02 < rkreis_> can't you? 2015-04-01T12:58:03 < Getty> gema is a lifetime contract 2015-04-01T12:58:06 < rkreis_> nice 2015-04-01T12:58:11 < Getty> once gema, forever gema 2015-04-01T12:58:18 < Getty> thats why people talk of "gema" and "non gema" artists 2015-04-01T12:58:18 < rkreis_> so i guess i, as a non-artist, could opt out 2015-04-01T12:58:31 < rkreis_> i better do that just in case 2015-04-01T12:58:45 < Getty> what you mean opt out? you dont produce anything so you are not relevant ;) 2015-04-01T12:59:09 < rkreis_> can't i still opt out in case i ever produce something? :) 2015-04-01T12:59:16 < Getty> well you dont need to sign at gema 2015-04-01T12:59:16 < rkreis_> like, in advance? 2015-04-01T12:59:26 < Getty> gema comes to you and let you sign a contract 2015-04-01T12:59:39 < Getty> (or you go to them and tell them you want to, but i think thats not how it works) 2015-04-01T12:59:43 < rkreis_> interesting 2015-04-01T12:59:48 < Getty> normally the publisher and producer and all link that up 2015-04-01T12:59:53 < Getty> like "hey we produce for you, but join gema" 2015-04-01T13:00:04 < Getty> also some events have that as ruleset, only gema artist as then the legal situation is clear 2015-04-01T13:00:10 < Getty> a non gema artist could request whatsoever 2015-04-01T13:00:11 < rkreis_> i thought it's opt-out, but it seems like a completely broken opt-in system 2015-04-01T13:00:27 < Getty> yes you have literally no choice as joining in if you want to make serious business in germany 2015-04-01T13:00:41 < Getty> i dont actually know how it is with outside artist and all that, never heard anything about that 2015-04-01T13:00:51 < Getty> i doubt they actually sign contracts 2015-04-01T13:01:07 < Getty> might be covered over some membership of the producer in the country or something 2015-04-01T13:01:21 < rkreis_> well, i'm not in the business :) 2015-04-01T13:01:41 < Getty> i just saw some documentations about it, i was curious about the details 2015-04-01T13:02:10 < Getty> what i find most funny is that GEMA is not active blocking the content on youtube, its really that youtube just cant make them public cause of no legal base 2015-04-01T13:02:17 < Getty> thats why youtube live doesnt work in germany 2015-04-01T13:02:35 < rkreis_> yes, youtube actually misrepresented that quite a bit 2015-04-01T13:03:04 < Getty> but i must also say: its unfair to point it out ;) if youtube WOULD publish them by their standard concept, GEMA could sue the shit out of them 2015-04-01T13:03:08 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-01T13:03:12 < rkreis_> it's annoying for whoever sits in front of the screen, but if they decide they don't like youtube, it's kind of their decision 2015-04-01T13:03:26 < PaulFertser> rkreis_: you can't stop if you're driving on a highway and a person appears out of the blue trying to cross the road. 2015-04-01T13:03:49 < rkreis_> PaulFertser, of course, you still have to try whatever is reasonable 2015-04-01T13:03:56 < rkreis_> in that case, not very much 2015-04-01T13:04:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btxodbutktsuztei] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-01T13:04:43 < PaulFertser> rkreis_: and in russia, no matter how hard you tried, if you hit that man, you pay for his treatment. 2015-04-01T13:04:56 < Getty> just to give a funny case: if one car crashs into another and that car (B) crashs into a human, then the insurance of B takes care of the human cost 2015-04-01T13:04:58 < rkreis_> i'm not a lawyer, i don't know what'd happen here 2015-04-01T13:05:08 < Getty> (but then rely it directly to A, as if you crash on naother car its ALWAYS your fault) 2015-04-01T13:05:12 < rkreis_> there's that concept of an "operational risk" 2015-04-01T13:05:12 < Getty> thats a nice clean case 2015-04-01T13:05:21 < rkreis_> which is basically injuries casued by cars but with nobody to blame 2015-04-01T13:05:30 < rkreis_> (you can guess who pays for it) 2015-04-01T13:05:34 < Getty> rkreis: yeah what paul says is also in germany 2015-04-01T13:05:41 < Getty> rkreis: but as i said, we dispatch that down 2015-04-01T13:06:06 < Getty> in the case of the person running wild on the road, it gets tough, as there is no insurance th eother insurance can take in 2015-04-01T13:06:07 < rkreis_> so the car's insurance pays, and will or won't get money from the pedestrian? 2015-04-01T13:06:14 < PaulFertser> rkreis_: in this case the one who violated the law by walking on a highway could be blamed (and will be held liable for the damages to car), but it's still the driver who pays for medical treatment. 2015-04-01T13:06:23 < Getty> yes, thats why i asy: THIS is a problem case, i dont actually know how that is handled really 2015-04-01T13:06:43 < ReadError> lol wait 2015-04-01T13:06:48 < Getty> but in the end: the car insurance is responsible and have to pay first, as the insurance stuff is primary 2015-04-01T13:06:48 < ReadError> you cant view any youtube live stream? 2015-04-01T13:06:52 < ReadError> like spacex etc 2015-04-01T13:06:53 < Getty> readerror: correct 2015-04-01T13:06:54 < Getty> readerror: correct 2015-04-01T13:07:11 < ReadError> wow thats super fucked 2015-04-01T13:07:14 * rkreis_ mumbles something about proxies 2015-04-01T13:07:16 < Getty> i think SOME come through, but its not..... often, i think spacex was something i wasnt able to see, right 2015-04-01T13:07:30 < Getty> rkreis_: i deny using a fucking proxy in my own country ;) 2015-04-01T13:07:32 * rkreis_ might or might not watch BBC sometimes 2015-04-01T13:07:40 < Getty> i want to gather the hate 2015-04-01T13:07:46 < rkreis_> you got my hate 2015-04-01T13:07:50 < rkreis_> where should i point it? 2015-04-01T13:07:55 < Getty> i have yet no idea 2015-04-01T13:07:58 < Getty> but if i know i tell you 2015-04-01T13:08:02 < rkreis_> ok 2015-04-01T13:08:05 < rkreis_> until then, i'll just vandalize 2015-04-01T13:08:06 < Getty> whta you can do: 2015-04-01T13:08:08 < Getty> get netflix 2015-04-01T13:08:12 < rkreis_> actually, no need with this kind of weather :/ 2015-04-01T13:08:15 < Getty> get the biggest contract at netflix 2015-04-01T13:08:21 < Getty> just to show your support for the right company 2015-04-01T13:08:26 < rkreis_> nah, that costs money, i'd rather vandalize 2015-04-01T13:08:29 < ReadError> guess most germans use vpns ? 2015-04-01T13:08:38 < Getty> setting the money flows IS vandalize 2015-04-01T13:09:05 < Getty> readerror: rarly, germans are not that into "internet" as you might think based on the represence we have in the software area 2015-04-01T13:09:27 < Getty> readerror: noone i know in real life is reading reddit or anything relevant to the world, most get their informations still from german newssite or german TV 2015-04-01T13:09:51 < Getty> i have to explain them everything.... as they get only false infos 2015-04-01T13:10:06 < rkreis_> heh, i sometimes browse imgur, they talk about reddit sometimes 2015-04-01T13:10:21 < rkreis_> ok, i should stop trolling and go away :) 2015-04-01T13:10:34 < Getty> hahahaa 2015-04-01T13:10:38 < Getty> rkreis: you know what i talk about 2015-04-01T13:10:48 < Getty> rkreis: you have at least IRC data flow and get the news somewhere 2015-04-01T13:10:59 < Getty> rkreis: but..... non-IT people in germany?!!?!... like wookies 2015-04-01T13:11:37 < Getty> that was the one and only good experience i had in america: everyone was using IT like i use IT, they always had a lot of apps on their phone and interact in many ways with the world 2015-04-01T13:11:48 < Getty> "the world"... probably mostly to other americans ;) whatever 2015-04-01T13:11:52 < rkreis_> wow 2015-04-01T13:12:33 < Getty> everywhere also advertisment targetting mobile users and internet users 2015-04-01T13:12:41 < Getty> like not only "BLA"........ 2015-04-01T13:14:40 < rkreis_> i'm so isolated, i rarely see any ads 2015-04-01T13:15:01 < rkreis_> ok, matter of definition, but not the classical ones :) 2015-04-01T13:15:53 < rkreis_> thinking about it, i retract that statement and instead claim that i see fewer ads than... someone 2015-04-01T13:16:11 < Getty> rkreis_: which town you are in? 2015-04-01T13:16:20 < rkreis_> bremen 2015-04-01T13:16:36 < Getty> inner city or outside? inner city is pretty ad free 2015-04-01T13:16:50 < Getty> and outside is just industry actually..... yeah ;) 2015-04-01T13:16:58 < rkreis_> vegesack, but i go the the inside from time to time (like in an hour) 2015-04-01T13:17:11 < Getty> yeah beautiful town 2015-04-01T13:17:18 < Getty> was totally worth the trip i once took 2015-04-01T13:17:46 < rkreis_> where'd you go? 2015-04-01T13:18:09 < Getty> just visiting family of a friend, she was living in cuxhaven, so we just "Jumped" over to there 2015-04-01T13:18:18 < Getty> and they suggested that i should checkout the inner city, and it was totally worth it 2015-04-01T13:19:10 < rkreis_> the very inner part? i go there way too rarely 2015-04-01T13:19:39 < rkreis_> it's mostly trips to uni... where are you from? 2015-04-01T13:19:49 < Getty> Mönchengladbach ;) 2015-04-01T13:20:06 < Getty> couldnt you have guessed basd on the amount i talk that i'm from NRW? 2015-04-01T13:20:52 < rkreis_> i'm not so good with stereotypes :) 2015-04-01T13:21:22 < Getty> ah its fun to embrace them, especially in germany :) its just good fun (beside bavaria... bavaria is no fun, thats just a distortion) 2015-04-01T13:21:40 < rkreis_> i was in köln last week, but i just saw the train station and some rock building 2015-04-01T13:21:52 < rkreis_> (or is it bricks?) 2015-04-01T13:22:23 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mu3IW8MMHA 2015-04-01T13:22:46 < rkreis_> haha :D 2015-04-01T13:23:23 < _Sync_> the dom rkreis_? 2015-04-01T13:23:29 < rkreis_> yes 2015-04-01T13:23:30 < _Sync_> that's sandstone 2015-04-01T13:23:35 < rkreis_> alright 2015-04-01T13:23:45 < Getty> sync: and it gets replaced... piece by piece..... 2015-04-01T13:23:59 < Getty> sync: piece by piece.... since 20-30 years, for the next 80-90 years 2015-04-01T13:24:18 < rkreis_> nice video 2015-04-01T13:24:19 < _Sync_> it also has the smurfs on some of those figurines 2015-04-01T13:24:22 < Getty> rkreis: yes ;) 2015-04-01T13:24:32 < Getty> rkreis: i was living in duesseldorf for 4 years, i leanred to hate cologne 2015-04-01T13:25:04 < rkreis_> hate and avoid? 2015-04-01T13:26:16 < Getty> rkreis: its hard to avoid cologne if you are living next to it and wanna make business...... 2015-04-01T13:26:28 < Getty> rkreis: everytime i have to go to cologne for some reason i get the hate 2015-04-01T13:26:30 < dongs> < ReadError> so is taking photos in public illegal? 2015-04-01T13:26:34 < dongs> this is also true in jp 2015-04-01T13:26:45 < Getty> rkreis: and _NONE_ of my friends will ever drive me there, never ever 2015-04-01T13:26:48 < dongs> especially if you publish, like on a blog or etc 2015-04-01T13:26:58 < rkreis_> sounds like fun 2015-04-01T13:27:08 < Getty> rkreis: the roads are just a pure mess :-/ 2015-04-01T13:27:12 < rkreis_> anyway, i better *hit the road* 2015-04-01T13:27:16 < Getty> ok jack 2015-04-01T13:27:25 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rEsVp5tiDQ 2015-04-01T13:27:27 < rkreis_> :D 2015-04-01T13:27:30 < _Sync_> Getty: "et knallt gleich, doch mitde tür" 2015-04-01T13:27:41 < rkreis_> creepy, i just watched that 2015-04-01T13:27:51 < Getty> sync: what you try to say? :) 2015-04-01T13:28:02 * rkreis_ feels tracked 2015-04-01T13:28:08 < Getty> rkreis: i am just fast in finding them ;) 2015-04-01T13:28:11 < rkreis_> or rather *paranoid* 2015-04-01T13:28:19 < Getty> oh god paranoid people 2015-04-01T13:28:21 < rkreis_> (link, please?) 2015-04-01T13:28:38 < Getty> what link?! 2015-04-01T13:28:40 < _Sync_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DykX1EH_qiA 2015-04-01T13:28:50 < rkreis_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQBttKoetqo (sabbath!) 2015-04-01T13:29:04 < Getty> sync: oh gott............... 2015-04-01T13:29:44 < rkreis_> definitely time to go, see you all :) 2015-04-01T13:29:55 < Getty> sync: please here, listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vtk4s2bgQ just to fix the call of the rap culture of my country 2015-04-01T13:32:18 < dongs> man stop pasting your rap shite 2015-04-01T13:32:21 < dongs> i noticed you like doing that 2015-04-01T13:32:26 < Getty> hehehe 2015-04-01T13:33:27 < karlp> so much chatz 2015-04-01T13:34:41 < ReadError> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/iljo/?pfm=42_iljo 2015-04-01T13:34:56 < Getty> LLLOOOLLLL thats hilarious 2015-04-01T13:36:52 < karlp> heheh 2015-04-01T13:37:06 < dongs> have zano announced anything for april 1 2015-04-01T13:37:28 < dongs> Zano doesn't actually exist or fly 2015-04-01T13:37:43 < ReadError> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/iljr/ 2015-04-01T13:38:09 < zyp> dongs, I thought it was hard to make zano any more of a joke than it already is 2015-04-01T13:38:20 < dongs> zyp, but 12k retards dont know this 2015-04-01T13:38:28 < dongs> they're drooling at every paragraph ivan shits out 2015-04-01T13:39:26 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tiko3d/tiko-the-unibody-3d-printer/description 2015-04-01T13:39:29 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/504/066/08c0f0547aafa8f4359a45e6b9b1d98c_original.JPG?v=1427332716&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=006a3d2f5cd991dd19c0df8f14184c89 2015-04-01T13:39:34 < dongs> garbage chinapcb, and 'ICSP'??? 2015-04-01T13:39:36 < dongs> is taht a fucking PIC 2015-04-01T13:39:41 < dongs> or does failmega have icsp t oo 2015-04-01T13:39:55 -!- DanteA [~X@host-46-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T13:42:10 < dongs> that fucking board is made in eagle 2015-04-01T13:42:12 < dongs> filthy shit 2015-04-01T13:42:21 < dongs> i can see the fucking staggered pin headers from sparkfuck library 2015-04-01T13:45:31 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-01T13:45:34 < dongs> http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Vibe_Therapy/Meridian/images/noise.gif 2015-04-01T13:45:35 < dongs> haha 2015-04-01T13:46:21 < _Sync_> wat the fucking shit 2015-04-01T13:46:34 < _Sync_> they are calling it a seekrut how they integrated the drive belts?! 2015-04-01T13:46:51 < _Sync_> the glued them in 2015-04-01T13:46:53 < _Sync_> fucking retards 2015-04-01T13:48:34 < dongs> zyp, any idea how to get text into 'title' of altidong schematic? 2015-04-01T13:48:43 < dongs> i tried document->options->parameters or whatever 2015-04-01T13:48:48 < dongs> but its not updating' 2015-04-01T13:49:16 < zyp> yeah, you have to actually make a placeholder text box containing «>title» 2015-04-01T13:49:21 < dongs> gah 2015-04-01T13:49:56 < dongs> you mean =Title 2015-04-01T13:49:58 < dongs> bt yeah 2015-04-01T13:50:03 < dongs> wow thats dum 2015-04-01T13:50:23 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-01T13:50:29 < zyp> always ends up unaligned as fuck 2015-04-01T13:51:31 < dongs> for some insane reason default justification is "right" 2015-04-01T13:51:35 < dongs> if you do it left, its ok 2015-04-01T13:51:42 < dongs> but right one + propotional font = lol 2015-04-01T13:54:09 < zyp> did you get what I wrote about the diode btw? 2015-04-01T13:54:18 < dongs> smbja15? 2015-04-01T13:54:52 < zyp> smbj15a, but yeah 2015-04-01T13:55:07 < dongs> already relayed to chinagirl and she'll get it in the morning 2015-04-01T13:55:30 < zyp> ok, cool 2015-04-01T13:55:39 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T13:55:50 < dongs> your shit was getting cached there and will ship tomrorw together wiht headers 2015-04-01T13:55:54 < dongs> which were done ahead of time it seems 2015-04-01T13:57:34 < dongs> illprobly get it just in time wiht pcbs 2015-04-01T13:57:46 < dongs> oh and stencil was ordered today i think. 2015-04-01T13:59:36 < zyp> paid boards and headers now 2015-04-01T13:59:51 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-01T14:01:28 < PeterM> what tactile switches do people use 2015-04-01T14:02:06 < zyp> alps skqg is what dongs recommended last I asked 2015-04-01T14:03:11 < PeterM> deylook nice 2015-04-01T14:04:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T14:13:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-01T14:21:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.86] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T14:22:55 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T14:23:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1581?s_searchtype=reco 2015-04-01T14:23:31 < Laurenceb> why so NRND 2015-04-01T14:26:05 < dongs> its not like anyone has ever used them in a ND anyway. 2015-04-01T14:26:07 < dongs> since there was no docs 2015-04-01T14:28:11 < Laurenceb> is there a way to exclude certain file extensions from scp? 2015-04-01T14:28:27 < Laurenceb> so "scp everything apart from foo*.bar" 2015-04-01T14:28:42 < jpa-> for * patterns, you can use whatever wildcards your shell supports 2015-04-01T14:28:50 < ReadError> Laurenceb use rsync 2015-04-01T14:28:55 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-04-01T14:29:03 < jpa-> for recursive, no, i don't think there is exclude 2015-04-01T14:29:06 < Laurenceb> jpa-: yeah but i need exclude no include 2015-04-01T14:29:06 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-04-01T14:29:07 < jpa-> rsync supports that 2015-04-01T14:29:09 < ReadError> it supports exclude 2015-04-01T14:29:10 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-04-01T14:29:14 < Laurenceb> thanks 2015-04-01T14:29:45 < jpa-> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/216995/how-can-i-use-inverse-or-negative-wildcards-when-pattern-matching-in-a-unix-linu bash etc. has negative wildcards also 2015-04-01T14:29:52 < jpa-> just that no-one remembers them 2015-04-01T14:30:00 < ReadError> rsync is much easier :) 2015-04-01T14:30:35 < jpa-> scp !(*@(.abc|.def)) trollence@server: such easy much lunix 2015-04-01T14:34:36 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-04-01T14:34:56 < Laurenceb> well this is failing epically 2015-04-01T14:35:07 < Laurenceb> rsync -avz -r --exclude=processed_transport_data/*.pz* processed_transport_data/* "transport data" 2015-04-01T14:35:22 < Laurenceb> its copying .pz* stuff 2015-04-01T14:36:24 < Laurenceb> maybe no = 2015-04-01T14:38:10 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-04-01T14:38:24 < Laurenceb> i also need rm not to delete files matching the same regex 2015-04-01T14:38:53 < jpa-> why not just build a list of the files you want to process, and then scp $files foo:bar 2015-04-01T14:39:13 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-04-01T14:39:37 < jpa-> i would just do files=`ls processed/* | grep -v .pz` even though that has many subtle bugs :) 2015-04-01T14:39:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-01T14:40:15 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-04-01T14:40:20 < Laurenceb> basically i have processed_transport_data/ 2015-04-01T14:40:40 < Laurenceb> i want to grab all the folders from it and move them 2015-04-01T14:40:44 < Laurenceb> but not the files 2015-04-01T14:42:10 < ReadError> drop the processed_transport_data/ 2015-04-01T14:42:14 < ReadError> from the exclude 2015-04-01T14:42:22 < ReadError> idk that entire line looks fucky 2015-04-01T14:42:28 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-04-01T14:42:36 < Laurenceb> ive deleted the whole script now lol 2015-04-01T14:42:52 < Laurenceb> im going to go with "mv " 2015-04-01T14:43:01 < Laurenceb> if i can work out how to achieve that 2015-04-01T14:43:45 < Steffanx> use some fancy combination of find/grep/mkdir ? 2015-04-01T14:44:09 < Laurenceb> theres got to be a simpler way 2015-04-01T14:44:19 < Laurenceb> ill ask on #bash 2015-04-01T14:45:12 < jpa-> mv processed_transport_data old; mkdir processed_transport_data; mv old/*.pz processed_transport_data 2015-04-01T14:45:31 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-04-01T14:45:37 < Laurenceb> i dont want to move too much 2015-04-01T14:45:48 < Laurenceb> theres about 50TB of data in there 2015-04-01T14:46:22 < Laurenceb> GPS co-ordinates of all UK ambulances at 1hz for the past 4 years 2015-04-01T14:46:27 < jpa-> huh? mv doesn't move the data 2015-04-01T14:46:30 < jpa-> it should be immediate 2015-04-01T14:46:33 < Laurenceb> ok 2015-04-01T14:47:01 < jpa-> though if you have millions of files, it might take a file 2015-04-01T14:47:03 < jpa-> *while 2015-04-01T14:47:09 < Laurenceb> yeah 2015-04-01T14:47:16 < Steffanx> oh, i misunderstood i guess? You don't want to just copy folder structure..? 2015-04-01T14:47:19 < jpa-> but, you already have ten solutions here 2015-04-01T14:47:30 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-04-01T14:47:52 < Laurenceb> no, i want to copy the files as well 2015-04-01T14:48:00 < Steffanx> i want to grab all the folders from it and move them 2015-04-01T14:48:00 < Steffanx> but not the files 2015-04-01T14:48:00 < Steffanx> :P 2015-04-01T14:48:01 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-84-200.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-01T14:48:09 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-04-01T14:48:22 < Laurenceb> i want to copy data/*/* but not data/* 2015-04-01T14:48:24 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-04-01T14:48:31 < Steffanx> anyway, time to start importing the data into some database :P 2015-04-01T14:48:33 < Laurenceb> maybe i can just use fildcard 2015-04-01T14:48:46 < Laurenceb> yeah, i need to move it all to a database 2015-04-01T14:48:53 < Laurenceb> atm its tons of csv files 2015-04-01T14:48:57 < Steffanx> nosql databases are hawt nowadays. 2015-04-01T14:50:31 < Steffanx> I'm curious. What's the plan with this data Laurenceb? 2015-04-01T14:50:36 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T14:52:16 < Laurenceb> ambulances have GPS in the cab, data is logged, goes to my server and gets processed into lots of nice graphs showing ambulance density, callouts by postcode etc 2015-04-01T14:52:39 < Laurenceb> ive cloned openstreetmap to do the address lookup 2015-04-01T14:54:20 < Steffanx> so, you're also into "big data" nowadays. 2015-04-01T14:54:34 < jpa-> who isn't into big d? 2015-04-01T14:54:36 < Laurenceb> big data more like big csv 2015-04-01T14:54:57 < Laurenceb> yeah i need some sort of database 2015-04-01T14:55:34 < Steffanx> you can keep your big d to yourself, your wife and tectu, jpa- 2015-04-01T14:55:44 < jpa-> though csv is easy to compress and process sequentially, compressed databases are a bit trickier 2015-04-01T14:56:21 < jpa-> Steffanx: that's not nearly enough people for the big d! 2015-04-01T14:56:39 < Steffanx> a fancy database with map/reduce stuff in a cluster is what Laurenceb needs 2015-04-01T14:56:45 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-04-01T14:57:45 < Laurenceb> the address lookup is actually pretty fast with a local openstreetmap server 2015-04-01T14:57:58 < Laurenceb> im using a binary search to do "reverse directions" 2015-04-01T14:58:21 < Laurenceb> so GPS at 1hz -> "travelled 1 mile along road " 2015-04-01T14:59:00 < Laurenceb> it averages only ~300 queries per callout 2015-04-01T14:59:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-01T15:07:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T15:15:37 < Laurenceb> will mv processed_transport_data/*/* "transport data" collapse the folders? 2015-04-01T15:17:50 < Steffanx> try? 2015-04-01T15:17:57 < Steffanx> on dummy data 2015-04-01T15:17:57 < Laurenceb> no lol 2015-04-01T15:18:05 < Laurenceb> yeah ill setup some dummy data 2015-04-01T15:25:59 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T15:27:30 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jobrfrqpfgwrfhnz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T15:29:30 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! 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Intrigued to read just how much tweeking has to be done when one component is altered. Also surprised to read that you plan to have detachable modules for various things sounds even more intriguing. Hope all goes well with the certification and it doesn`t mess up what appears to be a steady progression towards your release date. 2015-04-01T16:50:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-01T16:52:57 < Getty> the certification is actually (at least the CE) mostly about "you dont disturb other devices around you", so at least there the quality doesnt count ;) 2015-04-01T17:04:19 < Steffanx> at least they are hiring a web developer for their out of date website: http://www.flyzano.com/careers/ 2015-04-01T17:05:40 < _Sync_> I mean wtf 2015-04-01T17:06:04 < _Sync_> if they really would make shiet they'd know that you don't have to tweak everything because you change one part 2015-04-01T17:06:05 < Getty> so they want a time traveller? 2015-04-01T17:06:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:10:02 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-01T17:10:40 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:12:11 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:21:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.22] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:22:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:29:19 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-01T17:30:06 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:32:24 < Theremin> I'm glad I made this library to the public. Try, comment, enjoy and use it at your own risk :P 2015-04-01T17:32:24 < Theremin> https://github.com/libusbhost/libusbhost 2015-04-01T17:34:05 < Getty> i feel you make a lot of fans in here with this ;) 2015-04-01T17:38:34 < jpa-> Theremin: no license? 2015-04-01T17:38:48 < jpa-> ah there it is 2015-04-01T17:39:46 < jpa-> looks sane 2015-04-01T17:41:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:41:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-01T17:41:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:41:32 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0014.ethz.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:42:31 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-01T17:44:44 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:45:12 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-01T17:47:04 < zyp> delay_ms_busy_loop <- very deterministic timing on that :) 2015-04-01T17:48:09 < dongs> is that bitbanged USB? 2015-04-01T17:48:10 < dongs> lol 2015-04-01T17:48:11 < zyp> even for example code, you shouldn't make such assumptions on how fast code the compiler will generate 2015-04-01T17:48:21 < zyp> nah, it's dwc_otg in F4 2015-04-01T17:48:25 < dongs> oh wtf 2015-04-01T17:48:26 < dongs> yawn 2015-04-01T17:49:50 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T17:49:53 < Theremin> COPYING.LGPL3 2015-04-01T17:50:15 < mitrax> hello, on the STM32F429 discovery board, how much memory is required for the various LCD frame buffers? lcd_w * lcd_h * 4 (assuming ARGB8888) per layer? i'm confused as to whether the LTDC needs an additional frame buffer to hold the blending result between layer 0 and 1 (i assume not but i see a CONVERTED_FRAME_BUFFER define in the sample files) 2015-04-01T17:50:32 < zyp> Theremin, oh, I didn't notice you dropped out, I wrote a few lines 2015-04-01T17:50:38 < zyp> 16:47:04 < zyp> delay_ms_busy_loop <- very deterministic timing on that :) 2015-04-01T17:50:40 < zyp> 16:48:11 < zyp> even for example code, you shouldn't make such assumptions on how fast code the compiler will generate 2015-04-01T17:51:07 < Theremin> yes,... checked out log :) 2015-04-01T17:51:30 < zyp> lib looks fairly well designed otherwise 2015-04-01T17:51:48 < zyp> have you considered trying to get it merged into libopencm3? 2015-04-01T17:54:10 < dongs> what is xbox 2015-04-01T17:54:44 < Theremin> I actually considered that, but I think it is too soon for that. I think there are many bugs included and don't think it is a good idea for now to merge it. But, you can persuade me.. 2015-04-01T17:55:00 < Theremin> gp_xbox is gamepad XBOX Compatible controller 2015-04-01T17:55:40 < zyp> Theremin, I personally don't care either way, I just think it looks like a good fit :) 2015-04-01T17:56:16 < karlp> the usb device stack came in early, and has had various bug fixes along the way, 2015-04-01T17:56:26 < karlp> hardest thing is finding testers and devices to test with 2015-04-01T17:58:14 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-01T17:58:24 < _Sync_> we currently debug some usb host stuff at work 2015-04-01T17:58:28 < _Sync_> really really annoying 2015-04-01T17:58:44 < _Sync_> also dat usb spec 2015-04-01T17:59:52 < trepidaciousMBR2> We've got USB mass storage host going, it was a pain 2015-04-01T18:00:18 < zyp> I'm planning to do mass storage host for my stack soon 2015-04-01T18:00:56 < trepidaciousMBR2> cool, would be great to have a reliable open source mass storage host lib 2015-04-01T18:01:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> We used the STM code with some fixes, but I think something starting from scratch might be better 2015-04-01T18:01:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> Not that it doesn't work well, just would be nice not to have STM code 2015-04-01T18:02:23 < _Sync_> heh, we tried the CDC ACM stuff from them 2015-04-01T18:02:28 < _Sync_> and it does not work 2015-04-01T18:03:14 < trepidaciousMBR2> I don't mind using STM code as a kind of second datasheet, but I don't really like actually using it directly, some of it seems a little messy 2015-04-01T18:03:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> also just plain weird in terms of code style 2015-04-01T18:03:50 < Theremin> I think it is not only the problem of the libraries. stm32f407 OTG host have many hardware issues.... 2015-04-01T18:04:09 < _Sync_> no, stm32 has many hardware issues 2015-04-01T18:04:14 < _Sync_> ;) 2015-04-01T18:04:23 < trepidaciousMBR2> There are certainly plenty of errata 2015-04-01T18:04:35 < Theremin> see comment usbh_lld_stm32f4.c / 484 ... switched registers... :-/ 2015-04-01T18:05:04 < Theremin> tried to debug it for almost 2 days ... 2015-04-01T18:05:21 < trepidaciousMBR2> Do you think STM are particularly bad, or do you get this stuff on other MCUs? 2015-04-01T18:05:22 < Theremin> and finaly solved it :D 2015-04-01T18:05:38 < trepidaciousMBR2> painful ;) 2015-04-01T18:06:36 < Theremin> Many registers work other way than advertised in datasheets. Speaking of usb host. 2015-04-01T18:07:53 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-01T18:07:56 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-01T18:08:07 < _Sync_> I also hate the lame silicon saving decoders 2015-04-01T18:08:19 < _Sync_> where values from previous registers show up in other registers 2015-04-01T18:09:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-01T18:12:17 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-01T18:13:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-46-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-01T18:13:12 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T18:14:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T18:17:47 -!- DanteA [~X@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T18:22:45 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0014.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-01T18:25:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-01T18:29:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T18:29:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T18:42:08 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-01T18:43:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voixUMWvkV4 rocket stuff 2015-04-01T19:00:33 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plwjwazjhrtefxow] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T19:05:49 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-01T19:07:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T19:12:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-01T19:17:58 < Lux> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oqzinzmcm87zsbz/unknown%20transistor.png any idea what that smd thingie is ? 2015-04-01T19:18:34 < Lux> my smd code google skills aren't the best apparently 2015-04-01T19:22:14 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-01T19:22:55 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-01T19:24:48 < Steffanx> does that other one also have a line above the F Lux? 2015-04-01T19:25:50 < Lux> Steffanx: looks like it, yes 2015-04-01T19:27:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:4dbc:f753:c7c6:3e7d] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T19:27:50 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@84-73-86-125.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T19:46:58 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T19:53:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-01T19:55:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T19:55:52 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T20:07:34 < Getty> wow... its really fascinating about how many things you have to care if its about memory management 2015-04-01T20:09:22 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2015-04-01T20:16:25 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T20:17:32 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T20:19:15 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-01T20:20:20 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T20:59:23 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T21:03:13 < mitrax> with STM32's LTDC (and other lcd controllers) is there a way to avoid or reduce tearing when the LCD you use doesn't provide a TE signal? 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2015-04-01T21:46:20 < mitrax> or did i misunderstand? :) 2015-04-01T21:49:19 < mitrax> hm no stupid me... LTDC generates the VSYNC 2015-04-01T21:59:47 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-01T22:05:33 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:10:32 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:15:40 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f774e6b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-01T22:20:15 -!- HotTopic [~Hot@162.72.70.141] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:22:17 -!- HotTopic [~Hot@162.72.70.141] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-01T22:22:38 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-94.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:36:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-01T22:42:48 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f774e6b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:45:51 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x5f774e6b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:45:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-01T22:46:39 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f774e6b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-01T22:54:16 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T22:55:33 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T23:03:15 < Steffanx> found it yet Lux? 2015-04-01T23:05:28 < superbia> hi stefi 2015-04-01T23:06:52 < Steffanx> Lo rani. 2015-04-01T23:10:11 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-01T23:10:44 < Steffanx> how's life in romanialand today? 2015-04-01T23:13:11 < superbia> stormy 2015-04-01T23:13:26 < superbia> we got your storm :c 2015-04-01T23:16:04 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T23:19:35 < Lux> Steffanx: no luck yet 2015-04-01T23:20:33 < Lux> if it helps, those 2 parts are between batteries and a bluetooth chip 2015-04-01T23:21:43 < Lux> could be some sort of cheap voltage regulator 2015-04-01T23:21:44 < Fleck> https://www.gentoo.org/ 2015-04-01T23:22:27 < superbia> Fleck: april fools? 2015-04-01T23:22:45 < Fleck> yeah 2015-04-01T23:24:01 < superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GRfoTDWkEc 2015-04-01T23:25:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T23:25:45 < superbia> Fleck: for kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpOsXZJIkn4 2015-04-01T23:28:23 < Fleck> ? 2015-04-01T23:29:12 < superbia> openbsd release songs 2015-04-01T23:29:32 < superbia> every release -> new HQ song 2015-04-01T23:33:10 < tkoskine> For mp3s/oggs check http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html 2015-04-01T23:34:07 < Fleck> why me? 2015-04-01T23:35:17 < PaulFertser> Hm, Gentoo Gopher site looks nice to me (viewed with lynx). 2015-04-01T23:36:16 < superbia> PaulFertser: heh w3m here 2015-04-01T23:42:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-01T23:48:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-01T23:57:19 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Apr 02 2015 2015-04-02T00:04:12 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-02T00:05:14 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-02T00:05:56 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T00:08:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:4dbc:f753:c7c6:3e7d] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T00:09:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-02T00:09:33 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4073b.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T00:12:21 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4352a.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-02T00:14:38 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-185-17-207-94.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T00:16:50 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-02T00:17:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T00:30:07 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-17-108.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T00:31:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-02T00:37:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T00:39:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T00:40:18 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T00:40:40 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T00:56:33 < MrCircuitMatt> hm when doing full duplex I2S on the STM32F411, apparently I have to use those extended I2S registers. Do I just configured them exactly the same way as my non _ext I2S apart from the direction? And I don't have to tie BCLK etc. to another pin, this is done internally, right? 2015-04-02T00:58:32 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-02T00:59:03 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T01:10:10 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T01:29:24 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T01:29:46 < Laurenceb__> wtf happened to slashdot 2015-04-02T01:30:02 < Laurenceb__> they went aprils fool mental 2015-04-02T01:30:30 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 2015-04-02T01:46:48 < kakimir> is there any gain using 16bit parameters instead of 32bit? 2015-04-02T01:47:29 < kakimir> by function entry time or anything 2015-04-02T01:47:30 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbrqsqsprqmuwqka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T01:48:28 < kakimir> or even harm? 2015-04-02T01:56:38 -!- Lerg_ [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T01:56:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T02:03:08 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T02:10:40 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T02:14:47 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-89-242.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T02:15:10 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-02T02:15:27 < kakimir> has anything smart happend today? 2015-04-02T02:16:29 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-17-108.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-02T02:20:23 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T02:23:40 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-02T02:26:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T02:29:59 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T02:34:12 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T02:34:49 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-02T02:41:08 < dongs> sup pros 2015-04-02T02:41:40 < Fleck> sup noob? 2015-04-02T02:41:42 < kakimir> been missing you dongs 2015-04-02T02:42:34 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=445 2015-04-02T02:42:35 < dongs> lol. 2015-04-02T02:42:45 < dongs> zano carrying a gopro 2015-04-02T02:43:35 < PeterM> dafuq 2015-04-02T02:44:46 < kakimir> we need jet engine propeled quadcopter with dslr gimbal 2015-04-02T02:45:38 < kakimir> I wouldn't still use quad for gimbal but big heli 2015-04-02T02:45:46 < kakimir> always 2015-04-02T02:46:49 < malinus> dongs: hahaha what a goldmine, thanks! 2015-04-02T02:47:03 < malinus> [Be easy on features - think Apple!] http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=384 2015-04-02T02:54:49 -!- bairdynomnom_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-208-165.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T02:56:29 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-89-242.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-02T03:06:48 < dongs> ya there's a bunch of complete nutjobs there 2015-04-02T03:07:04 < dongs> dreaming up even more insane shit than zano themselves can come up wiht 2015-04-02T03:07:11 < dongs> some idiot wants a thermal camera on it 2015-04-02T03:07:14 < dongs> etc 2015-04-02T03:08:30 < kakimir> just drop in flir mini module 2015-04-02T03:08:39 < kakimir> what is the problems 2015-04-02T03:09:30 < kakimir> nice logo 2015-04-02T03:09:47 < kakimir> pizza slices 2015-04-02T03:13:53 < _Sync_> lel flir mini module 2015-04-02T03:16:37 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-02T03:27:00 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-02T03:30:34 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/pcO771A.gifv 2015-04-02T03:36:33 -!- bairdynomnom_ is now known as baird_ 2015-04-02T03:36:35 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2015-04-02T03:47:52 < kakimir> how mad it would be to move to russia? 2015-04-02T03:48:56 < kakimir> no comming back 2015-04-02T03:49:47 < PeterM> it would be just as mad as seeing a train of fat people on mobility scooters in walmart if you come from sub-saharan africa 2015-04-02T03:50:16 < kakimir> wow 2015-04-02T03:51:13 < dongs> apparently there's some 0.35mm ball pitch bga 2015-04-02T03:51:25 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T03:52:32 < ds2> dongs: are you doing a 1 layer PCB for those? ;) 2015-04-02T03:52:42 < dongs> yes 2015-04-02T03:54:20 < PeterM> thats p[retty standard for csbga is it not? 2015-04-02T03:54:29 < ds2> toaster oven reflow for assembly? :D 2015-04-02T03:57:02 < dongs> tosser oven 2015-04-02T03:57:16 < dongs> so fucking lazy 2015-04-02T03:57:21 < dongs> these d udes wanna pay me in buttcoin 2015-04-02T03:57:24 < dongs> to do a project 2015-04-02T03:57:34 < kakimir> microwave is good enough 2015-04-02T04:02:44 < PeterM> dongs only accepts dongcoin 2015-04-02T04:07:08 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T04:10:14 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d4073b.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-02T04:12:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T04:15:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T04:16:02 < kakimir> I'm serious about moving to another country 2015-04-02T04:21:05 < dongs> move to japan 2015-04-02T04:21:15 < dongs> this will be you www.theonion.com/articles/man-thinking-about-just-packing-up-and-making-exac,38342/ 2015-04-02T04:22:55 < kakimir> no nippon pls 2015-04-02T04:23:06 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T04:23:49 < kakimir> I have changed into perfectly molded piece of machine 2015-04-02T04:24:03 < dongs> wondering wehre i might find spdif output 2015-04-02T04:24:13 < dongs> oh nice 2015-04-02T04:24:18 < dongs> this stupid media streamer still has it 2015-04-02T04:25:32 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x5f774e6b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-02T04:25:57 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plwjwazjhrtefxow] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-02T04:31:15 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T04:38:28 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x5f77709e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T04:44:28 < kakimir> oh I forgot actually here is good to be 2015-04-02T04:44:41 < kakimir> I just need to keep my head chill 2015-04-02T04:44:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbrqsqsprqmuwqka] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-02T04:46:35 < kakimir> with jews 2015-04-02T04:47:31 < kakimir> and what ever different kind there are 2015-04-02T04:53:03 < upgrdman> a project im on at work is the test the safety of a polyfuse substitute for a normal glass fuse. genius spec'd a 33V polyfuse for a 24VAC rail. 2015-04-02T04:53:22 < upgrdman> "try it anyway" 2015-04-02T04:54:05 < upgrdman> it works. until you induce an overcurrent fault. then it fucking arc's over like a god damn welder, while im sitting right next to it. 2015-04-02T04:54:33 < dongs> cirrus logic bought wolfson shit? 2015-04-02T04:59:13 < dongs> i see square wavez 2015-04-02T04:59:39 < dongs> and so much jitter 2015-04-02T05:01:11 < dongs> lol, so fucking pro, this dumb assdroid streamer has that android debug shit in top right corner 2015-04-02T05:01:16 < dongs> with processor load and crap 2015-04-02T05:01:19 < dongs> how the fuck 2015-04-02T05:18:16 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwi6hFGkD4o attn dongs 2015-04-02T05:19:30 < dongs> ... 2015-04-02T05:19:32 < dongs> loling 2015-04-02T05:19:51 < PeterM> well, there goes the somewat usefulness of my youtube suggested videos 2015-04-02T05:21:19 < GargantuaSauce> i have to sanitize my history daily or it gets full of free energy shit 2015-04-02T05:21:48 < PeterM> you CAN make energy from shit though... 2015-04-02T05:31:20 < kakimir> you don't have appreciation for yourselfs 2015-04-02T05:31:39 < kakimir> or your time 2015-04-02T05:33:38 -!- Lerg_ [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-02T05:36:34 < dongs> youre not wrong 2015-04-02T05:42:58 < kakimir> we are much a like then 2015-04-02T05:43:40 < kakimir> but investigating free energy is like watching pendulum swing and sayin "this is important" 2015-04-02T05:46:42 < kakimir> good thing is it's easier than anything to see vanity in it and move on 2015-04-02T05:50:59 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-208-165.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T06:19:24 < englishman> hay R2COM 2015-04-02T06:19:24 < englishman> http://connex.amimon.com/ 2015-04-02T06:22:18 < dongs> zero latency 2015-04-02T06:22:58 < gxti> there's no such thing as zero latency. 2015-04-02T06:24:12 < dongs> extremely full of bullshit 2015-04-02T06:24:14 < englishman> long flowing golden hair 2015-04-02T06:24:16 < dongs> is more like it 2015-04-02T06:25:29 < ReadError> dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiRFUgYshAM 2015-04-02T06:25:42 < ReadError> your 2 fav people 2015-04-02T06:26:08 < dongs> lol 2015-04-02T06:26:22 < dongs> is that chatch and tim 2015-04-02T06:26:27 < englishman> yes 2015-04-02T06:34:57 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-02T06:39:29 < englishman> heh arduino now runs on esp8266 direct 2015-04-02T06:39:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-02T06:40:01 < dongs> the ultimate in faggotry 2015-04-02T06:40:08 < dongs> but does it take 100 cpu cycles to change gpio??? 2015-04-02T06:40:31 < englishman> you mean digitalWrite 2015-04-02T06:40:38 < dongs> yes 2015-04-02T06:40:51 < englishman> did you see android april fools today 2015-04-02T06:41:30 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/z8rQKSt.jpg 2015-04-02T06:50:29 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T06:55:42 < upgrdman> are there any legit uses for c++ trigraphs? 2015-04-02T06:55:52 < dongs> only troll ones 2015-04-02T06:56:32 < gxti> no 2015-04-02T07:01:19 < upgrdman> did some iso/iec dildo just add it in for laughs, or was something nice planned? 2015-04-02T07:03:58 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/a/Cu8fw 2015-04-02T07:05:36 < gxti> trigraphs were invented in a time where keyboards couldn't type all the C symbols 2015-04-02T07:07:06 < upgrdman> srsly? 2015-04-02T07:08:22 < gxti> or even better, on EBCDIC where there it isn't even in the character set 2015-04-02T07:10:51 < gxti> there was a time when even ASCII couldn't be taken for granted 2015-04-02T07:14:40 < englishman> those wide screens are such a scam 2015-04-02T07:14:47 < englishman> 1k for 1440p 2015-04-02T07:14:49 < englishman> fuck offf 2015-04-02T07:26:30 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-55-250.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T07:34:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.26] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T07:54:26 < dongs> he's an apple faggot, he wouldnt know the difference 2015-04-02T07:54:39 < dongs> his effective desktop resolution is like 1700x720 2015-04-02T07:55:06 < dongs> giant menu bars and itunes non-resizable UI taking up half the screen 2015-04-02T07:55:53 -!- rbarris [~rbarris@ip68-4-79-133.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:02:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-66-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:05:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:10:34 < dongs> emeb_mac: ever dicked with WM8804 2015-04-02T08:11:10 < emeb_mac> dongs: not personally. number sounds familiar though... 2015-04-02T08:11:48 < emeb_mac> oh right - that's Wolfson's SPDIF thing 2015-04-02T08:11:52 < dongs> right 2015-04-02T08:12:06 < dongs> its compltely fucking fucktastic 2015-04-02T08:12:24 < dongs> i should have just wired it for hardware mode 2015-04-02T08:12:28 < dongs> software mode is liek audiophool trash 2015-04-02T08:12:39 < emeb_mac> Was looking at that a while back - someone wanted SPDIF 2015-04-02T08:12:48 < dongs> I can only get useful response reading device ID registers 2015-04-02T08:12:51 < dongs> everything else is fucking 0's 2015-04-02T08:12:56 < dongs> even tho datasheet says other shit is default 2015-04-02T08:13:17 < emeb_mac> bizarre 2015-04-02T08:14:11 < emeb_mac> at least the ID regs work so you know your control bus works 2015-04-02T08:14:18 -!- rbarris [~rbarris@ip68-4-79-133.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T08:14:23 < dongs> .. right 2015-04-02T08:14:35 -!- rbarris [~rbarris@ip68-4-79-133.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:14:41 < emeb_mac> too late to hard strap it? 2015-04-02T08:15:08 < dongs> im about to giev up and do it, just trying one last thing 2015-04-02T08:16:49 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:18:58 -!- rbarris [~rbarris@ip68-4-79-133.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T08:22:30 < emeb_mac> dongs: 2-wire or 3-wire? 2015-04-02T08:22:39 < dongs> i2c shit 2015-04-02T08:24:20 < emeb_mac> did you see the statement at the top of pg15? 2015-04-02T08:24:27 < emeb_mac> "Not all registers can be read" 2015-04-02T08:25:25 < dongs> ... lol 2015-04-02T08:25:32 < dongs> i'm trying to read the fucking PWRDN register 2015-04-02T08:25:56 < dongs> but i see lunix code reading it too 2015-04-02T08:26:09 < dongs> maybe they're just using cached value stho.. 2015-04-02T08:26:15 < dongs> damn that is annoying 2015-04-02T08:26:24 < dongs> ill try rx channel info stuff. 2015-04-02T08:26:55 < emeb_mac> only regs 1,2 and 11-17 can be read 2015-04-02T08:29:01 < upgrdman> why would an ASIC designed choose to make a reg write-only? 2015-04-02T08:29:28 < dongs> to save you from hard work of doing read>modify>write 2015-04-02T08:30:14 < emeb_mac> on these crazy serial interfaces it probably saves gates 2015-04-02T08:30:45 < emeb_mac> a lot of the wolfson stuff is write-only. Be glad you get any read regs 2015-04-02T08:31:48 < jpa-> strange if it actually saves enough gates to matter 2015-04-02T08:36:17 < emeb_mac> jpa-: depends on how old the part is 2015-04-02T08:36:32 < emeb_mac> new stuff on dense processes it doesn't matter. 2015-04-02T08:36:43 < emeb_mac> old stuff sometimes they were scraping by 2015-04-02T08:36:56 < dongs> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0473093751_MEMORY_CARD_SOCKET.xml&channel=Products&Lang=en-US 2015-04-02T08:37:00 < dongs> thats a fucked up uSD socket 2015-04-02T08:37:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-02T08:38:39 < emeb_mac> how does that work? 2015-04-02T08:39:39 < dongs> card just goes in contacts parts only 2015-04-02T08:40:03 < ReadError> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/wenpod-sp2-smartphone-gimbal-stabilizer-handheld-gimbal-360-deg-for-iphone-htc-samsung.html 2015-04-02T08:40:24 < dongs> where's taht dickstarter 2015-04-02T08:40:26 < dongs> did they ever deliver 2015-04-02T08:40:30 < dongs> ~same shit 2015-04-02T08:40:45 < ReadError> i duno 2015-04-02T08:40:50 < ReadError> china beat them i guess 2015-04-02T08:40:52 < englishman> ezgimbal 2015-04-02T08:41:44 < dongs> for boners only updates 2015-04-02T08:41:53 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/48127572/easygimbal-an-advanced-gopro-3-camera-stabilizer/description 2015-04-02T08:42:22 < englishman> delivered november looks like 2015-04-02T08:42:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.26] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:43:50 < dongs> $599 lol 2015-04-02T08:43:54 < dongs> for 3d printed garbage 2015-04-02T08:44:37 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/000/869/880/994a8a730aa6b5e3a33bc1f5a064f2d6_original.jpg?v=1377727835&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=fde6716d7f368b58cdd1c42a9247ee35 2015-04-02T08:44:41 < dongs> and martinez trash 2015-04-02T08:47:04 < upgrdman> does this seem like a good price? http://www.amazon.com/AEMC-SL261-Connection-10A-100mV-100A-10mV/dp/B008S07W6Y/ref=sr_1_3?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1427953497&sr=1-3&keywords=dc+current+probe 2015-04-02T08:47:24 < upgrdman> looks like some OEM makes the same current probes for them and Tek, Agilent, Fluke and others. lol. 2015-04-02T08:48:16 < dongs> fuckit 2015-04-02T08:48:23 < dongs> strapping this shit for hwmode in next pcb 2015-04-02T08:48:27 < dongs> not worth my fucking time 2015-04-02T08:50:53 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@2a01:348:99:151:236:21:65:2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T08:55:32 < Getty> Uber Uber Uber Uber.... Uber everywhere...... I should also make a criminal organization to get rich..... 2015-04-02T08:56:32 < PeterM> upgrdman, whats the freq response of that probe? 2015-04-02T08:57:47 < upgrdman> 100kHz 2015-04-02T08:58:04 < upgrdman> not bad for a 100A probe that's cheaper than a car 2015-04-02T08:59:05 < PeterM> yeah, i guess... 2015-04-02T08:59:15 < PeterM> i wonder how sharp its roll off is 2015-04-02T08:59:31 < upgrdman> dunno 2015-04-02T09:00:05 < upgrdman> i use the Tek version of that probe at work. it's nice, but i'm just using it to monitor slow stuff, so never looked past 1kHz 2015-04-02T09:00:47 < PeterM> fair'nuff 2015-04-02T09:00:54 < PeterM> for $500 you cant really go wrong 2015-04-02T09:00:58 < upgrdman> ya 2015-04-02T09:01:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-02T09:04:31 < dongs> remembered why the shit has to be in software mode 2015-04-02T09:04:40 < dongs> cuz i need to edit spdifinmode register to make it just ttl stuff 2015-04-02T09:04:44 < dongs> instead of ac-coupled shit 2015-04-02T09:07:48 < upgrdman> PeterM, they seem to claim -3dB at 100kHz 2015-04-02T09:07:53 < upgrdman> "DC to 100kHz (-3dB with current derating)" 2015-04-02T09:09:17 < upgrdman> http://www.aemc.com/products/pdf/1201.51.pdf 2015-04-02T09:15:15 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:18:29 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-02T09:30:20 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:31:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:31:51 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T09:35:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T09:37:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.26] has quit [] 2015-04-02T09:39:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:40:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.218] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:46:37 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-02T09:47:23 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:51:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-02T09:54:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T09:58:38 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-62-86.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:00:25 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-55-250.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-02T10:00:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T10:00:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:02:35 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:06:35 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-02T10:08:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/renxCcu.gifv japan 2015-04-02T10:10:04 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T10:10:19 < yots> lol why would i need that i can just get my drone to hold it for me 2015-04-02T10:10:33 < dongs> not if your drone is zano 2015-04-02T10:11:06 < yots> especially if it's zano! 2015-04-02T10:15:13 < Getty> actually, thats the plan B of Zano, instead of flying they just put it in the mouth.... its BASICALLY the same 2015-04-02T10:15:45 < englishman> they are going to go ahead with that "as few features as possible" initiative 2015-04-02T10:16:18 < Getty> few features? This is so feature rich! You can attach additional hardware! No drone can hold so much! 2015-04-02T10:16:45 < Getty> Zano the noflydrone with endless possibilities 2015-04-02T10:17:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:17:07 < Getty> i cant stop watching this gif btw...... 2015-04-02T10:19:06 < dongs> you love the cock 2015-04-02T10:19:16 < dongs> englishman: doing your shit this weekend 2015-04-02T10:19:18 < dongs> sending monday 2015-04-02T10:19:27 < englishman> thanks 2015-04-02T10:19:44 < dongs> also sending billz 2015-04-02T10:19:56 < dongs> hopefully you didnt blow all your shitpal on cuban hookers 2015-04-02T10:19:56 < englishman> uh whenever you want no hurry 2015-04-02T10:20:34 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-02T10:21:06 < englishman> no but i bought all these cars for five pesos http://i.imgur.com/0a2EktI.jpg 2015-04-02T10:21:28 < dongs> i think i know that place 2015-04-02T10:21:58 < englishman> across the street from capitol building in havana 2015-04-02T10:23:00 < dongs> i spent a summer there pre-9/11 doing some medical volunteer shit 2015-04-02T10:23:34 < englishman> well, nothing has changed since 1956 2015-04-02T10:23:40 < dongs> no doubt 2015-04-02T10:29:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-02T10:36:36 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:37:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:40:06 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T10:43:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T10:49:09 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-02T10:53:38 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T11:02:24 -!- Laurenceb__ 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2015-04-02T14:26:25 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-02T14:26:58 < Getty> well i dont wanted to add all kind of connectors ;) 1-wire is just "cheap" in pins 2015-04-02T14:27:33 < PaulFertser> But with that 2408 you can have 16 buttons easily it seems. 2015-04-02T14:27:54 < Getty> yeah but then i have to still make a case and the board ;) 2015-04-02T14:30:06 < jpa-> adc + resistors is pretty nice for up to 6 buttons or so 2015-04-02T14:30:34 < jpa-> (assuming you want simultaneous press detection; if only one button at a time, can have tens of buttons) 2015-04-02T14:31:25 < Getty> i think i just need one at a time, i just thought we have some customers who dont have their devices connected to the network all the time 2015-04-02T14:31:31 < Getty> and if they would get some buttons it would help them 2015-04-02T14:33:02 < PaulFertser> I'd bet 1w would get way more common if it wasn't "patented" or some shit like that. 2015-04-02T14:33:30 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/buttons.png 2015-04-02T14:33:41 < PaulFertser> With one at a time you can get like >50 easily with 1% resistors, right? 2015-04-02T14:34:53 < PaulFertser> jpa-: no "enum class {..."? ;) 2015-04-02T14:35:03 < jpa-> that's C 2015-04-02T14:35:57 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gamkzoiascrmiclm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-02T14:36:32 < Getty> and in the case of single pressed you would go like 1k 2k 3k 4k 5k, right? 2015-04-02T14:37:13 < PaulFertser> jpa-: nice code btw, looks rather elegant. What's your opinion wrt using C++ as a more typesafe version of C (plus compile-time code generation facilities) for any new project? 2015-04-02T14:37:25 < Getty> heheh :) 2015-04-02T14:37:38 < Getty> PaulFertser: it feels now a bit like you are on a crusade :) 2015-04-02T14:37:42 * Getty takes the sword 2015-04-02T14:37:54 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T14:37:56 < jpa-> PaulFertser: well i use C++ sometimes, though not for either of those reasons 2015-04-02T14:38:18 < jpa-> when i do use C++, i do it mostly because the problem at hand is nicely represented using classes 2015-04-02T14:38:27 < PaulFertser> Getty: in case of single pressed you can e.g. connect as much as you need same 1% resistors in series and every button would connect the corresponding resistor to ADC input. 2015-04-02T14:39:21 < jpa-> both C and C++ are shoot-yourself-somewhere languages, the added type safety does not help that much IMO - if i need a reliable language, it's something else (but for embedded, the set of "something else" is often empty..) 2015-04-02T14:39:39 < qyx_> ada \o/ 2015-04-02T14:39:52 < Getty> qyx_: hush hush go away ;) 2015-04-02T14:40:04 < PaulFertser> It seems if you're just avoiding some legacy C++ facilities, it's way harder to mess anything up. 2015-04-02T14:40:18 < jpa-> ada's problem is that it is so verbose that my bug count tends to increase due to having more code to comprehend 2015-04-02T14:42:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T14:47:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.218] has quit [] 2015-04-02T14:48:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.218] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T14:58:28 < malinus> yeah, ada or pascal 2015-04-02T14:58:34 < malinus> *powerpascal 2015-04-02T14:58:37 < malinus> :D 2015-04-02T15:00:08 -!- bairdynomnom_ is now known as baird 2015-04-02T15:01:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T15:03:40 < tkoskine> jpa-: Nah, compiler will complain until the code is perfect. ;) 2015-04-02T15:11:19 < tkoskine> The bigger problem is that there really isn't easily installable/useable GNAT for arm/stm32. Adacore offers some GNAT GPL binaries, but I don't like them much and compiling FSF GNAT from scratch + creating a small runtime is quite much work. 2015-04-02T15:12:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:13:36 < tkoskine> (For AVRs the situation is better. You can add some unofficial repos to sources.list, run apt-get install avr-gnat, and compile your blink example with simple "gnatmake -XBOARD=arduino_uno blink.gpr" command.) 2015-04-02T15:17:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-02T15:19:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T15:20:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.218] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:20:40 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:21:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T15:22:47 < Getty> what what? 2015-04-02T15:22:51 < Getty> AVR? simple? what? i am listening 2015-04-02T15:24:49 < Getty> actually i just think i should get a IR receiver 1-Wire, that is sexy 2015-04-02T15:25:32 < qyx_> ir receiver is single wire 2015-04-02T15:25:50 < tkoskine> Getty: Install AVR-Ada, create blink.adb, and compile it with gnatmake using the command I mentioned earlier. 2015-04-02T15:26:17 < Getty> oh you mean Ada?!?! no.. no thanks, no ... i thought generally ;) sorry 2015-04-02T15:26:37 < qyx_> btw instead of messing with 1wire, use some $0.50 f030 with matrix keyboard and usart 2015-04-02T15:27:14 < Getty> qyx_: what you assume? that i play around with some wires? :) There is a product we sold which has a 1-wire connector (and internally also an usart i could use but i want to avoid that as it means customer has to open case) 2015-04-02T15:27:31 < qyx_> nah, 1 wire :S 2015-04-02T15:27:49 < Getty> but technical its just 1 wire to the ARM, so i could just also make it something different ;) 2015-04-02T15:27:55 < Getty> but we named it "1-Wire" now ;) 2015-04-02T15:28:08 < qyx_> i hope you checked (r)(c)(tm) 2015-04-02T15:29:23 < Getty> in the same amount as our component did ;) 2015-04-02T15:29:27 < Getty> aehm opponent 2015-04-02T15:30:04 < Getty> actually even more, cause we say its 1-wire, they just use it and dont tell its 1-wire 2015-04-02T15:30:22 < Getty> with PS/2 connectors...... ) 2015-04-02T15:30:23 < Getty> ;) 2015-04-02T15:38:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:38:39 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-colrfkympyvocooq] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:39:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:42:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T15:44:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T15:59:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T16:01:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-02T16:02:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T16:03:22 -!- DanteA [~X@host-66-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-02T16:09:10 < kakimir> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcTdJT25Rdm9rUms/edit?usp=docslist_api some new gear 2015-04-02T16:13:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T16:15:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T16:16:26 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T16:16:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T16:19:22 < malinus> kakimir: what is it? 2015-04-02T16:19:22 < dongs> nxp, such shit 2015-04-02T16:19:30 < dongs> whatever it is, it cant be good 2015-04-02T16:19:40 < dongs> pal is doing some shit with LPC1768 or something ismilar 2015-04-02T16:19:41 < malinus> haha 2015-04-02T16:19:43 < dongs> and i hear nothing but complaints 2015-04-02T16:19:53 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-223-148.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T16:20:03 < malinus> is that their arm mcu32 implementation? 2015-04-02T16:20:34 < dongs> its m3 i think 2015-04-02T16:21:02 < dongs> whatever itis, periperals are complete trash 2015-04-02T16:21:30 < malinus> does it have a nice programmer/debugger like the stlink2? 2015-04-02T16:22:01 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-24-218.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-02T16:22:04 < Steffanx> the expresso boards have 2015-04-02T16:27:19 < dongs> dem tarduino headers 2015-04-02T16:27:27 < dongs> and U12 looks like 78L05 2015-04-02T16:28:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T16:30:01 < PeterM> why no smps - fuck surely there is a cheap ass solution if you buy in 100k qty 2015-04-02T16:30:45 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-223-148.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-02T16:30:46 < dongs> tarduino headers like literally set back hobby electronics by like a decade if not more 2015-04-02T16:30:59 < dongs> ive seen some 128pin ICs fitted with tarduino headers 2015-04-02T16:31:09 < dongs> let's have 120 I/Os and tehn only use 10 of htem 2015-04-02T16:33:20 < PeterM> why even 0.1" why not atleast fuckign try and 0.05" 2015-04-02T16:37:04 < dongs> havent you read hackaday 2015-04-02T16:37:13 < dongs> everyiem someone puts a devboard with non-.1" headers 2015-04-02T16:37:15 < dongs> there's huge rage 2015-04-02T16:40:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-02T16:42:25 < dongs> is tehre some way to autoarrange designators 2015-04-02T16:44:02 < dongs> oh wow 2015-04-02T16:44:25 < dongs> select some parts, egp, click in center 2015-04-02T16:44:32 < dongs> and OK 2015-04-02T16:44:33 < dongs> amaze 2015-04-02T16:44:57 < dongs> that'll work perfect for sticking them all into assembly layer 2015-04-02T16:48:15 < englishman> dhangs 2015-04-02T16:48:15 < englishman> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/04/01/retina-macbook-benchmark-performance/ 2015-04-02T16:48:25 < dongs> old news bro 2015-04-02T16:48:29 < englishman> pshshshh 2015-04-02T16:48:30 < dongs> what did you expect with a 2W TDP cpu??? 2015-04-02T16:48:42 < englishman> still, nobody will buy surface 2015-04-02T16:49:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T16:49:55 < dongs> $1300 for a heap of shiny junk 2015-04-02T16:50:08 < qyx_> shiny at least 2015-04-02T16:50:49 < Steffanx> hah, the mifare classic crap used as payment stuff for our public transport has been proven to be crappy AGAIN. 2015-04-02T16:51:01 < Steffanx> free transport for everyone. 2015-04-02T16:52:09 < qyx_> their craptographic features broken again? 2015-04-02T16:53:05 < Steffanx> Can't find much about the details yet, but it seems so yes. Takes only a few minutes to crack it. 2015-04-02T16:53:20 < englishman> theres a obvious security hole in the paper day passes that our system uses 2015-04-02T16:53:24 < englishman> can reuse the numbers it provides 2015-04-02T16:53:40 < englishman> but, cant write to paper, so you cant pass the manual (police) checkpoints 2015-04-02T16:53:45 < englishman> so kinda pointless 2015-04-02T16:54:05 < englishman> its easier just to walk around the turnstyles 2015-04-02T16:55:07 < englishman> what transit system uses mifare? i thought this was broken for a while 2015-04-02T16:57:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cys6JKI.jpg 2015-04-02T16:57:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T16:57:54 < Steffanx> Only mifare classic iirc. 2015-04-02T16:58:34 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@84-73-86-125.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-02T17:00:10 < kakimir> what is your street name dongs? 2015-04-02T17:00:26 < Steffanx> oh, this new hack is not mifare classic, its something else, but does use the same protocol as mifare classic. It's about the Infineon SLE 77 now 2015-04-02T17:10:50 < qyx_> doesn't mifare use the iso14433a or whatever compatible nfc protocol? 2015-04-02T17:18:38 < PeterM> dongle did you end up doing anythign with your BGC? 2015-04-02T17:18:49 < dongs> way to lazy/busy 2015-04-02T17:19:30 < dongs> and no dickstarter potential 2015-04-02T17:28:52 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T17:42:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@46.243.86.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-02T17:49:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T17:58:27 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-02T17:59:11 < Laurenceb> lol nice names 2015-04-02T17:59:23 < Laurenceb> sounds really camp.. i mean scary 2015-04-02T17:59:59 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:15:58 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgxpiyqzvxwwproc] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:16:25 -!- DanteA [~X@host-2-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:25:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T18:26:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:28:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:35:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-02T18:37:51 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@84-73-86-125.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:45:32 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-02T18:54:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T18:55:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T18:58:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-2-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-02T18:58:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-2-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:11:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-02T19:13:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T19:14:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:17:58 -!- DanteA [~X@host-2-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-02T19:26:44 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:29:55 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:36:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-02T19:38:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:38ee:0:e8af:3cd1:892e:ea4e] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:42:45 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:38ee:0:e8af:3cd1:892e:ea4e] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T19:45:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:47:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:49:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:49:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T19:50:22 -!- DanteA [~X@host-66-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:53:05 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:54:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:58:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T19:58:50 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:38ee:0:bae8:56ff:fe4a:e370] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T19:59:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:55d4:38ee:0:bae8:56ff:fe4a:e370] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T20:03:54 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-02T20:08:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T20:11:55 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T20:16:07 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T20:20:51 < Laurenceb> can anyone here help me with some linux n00bery? 2015-04-02T20:21:12 < Laurenceb> i need to find files that are present in one file tree but not another 2015-04-02T20:21:24 < Laurenceb> ive tried diff -qr, but its not working 2015-04-02T20:21:39 < MrCircuitMatt> hah I have no clue about ARM but this is something I can do 2015-04-02T20:21:49 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: -Naur could be a start 2015-04-02T20:22:26 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: or do you want to restrict it to presence yes/no only? In that case you could also diff the output of two find commands 2015-04-02T20:22:48 < Laurenceb> just yes/no 2015-04-02T20:22:55 < superbia> Laurenceb: ehm? 2015-04-02T20:23:36 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d42bf0.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T20:24:46 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: so the simple way is find directory1 | sort > foo, then find directory2 | sort > bar, then diff foo bar 2015-04-02T20:25:15 < Laurenceb> what does sort do? 2015-04-02T20:25:28 < MrCircuitMatt> it just makes sure that the stuff appears in the same order 2015-04-02T20:25:46 < superbia> Laurenceb: your powers are fading 2015-04-02T20:26:04 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: because if you have file A but find gives it as first line in the first case and as last line in the last case, your diff would be upset 2015-04-02T20:26:19 < Laurenceb> oh of course 2015-04-02T20:26:20 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d438ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-02T20:26:23 < Laurenceb> kind of importanrt 2015-04-02T20:26:34 < MrCircuitMatt> if you want to do it in memory you might also go for something like diff <( find dir1 | sort ) <( find dir2| sort ) 2015-04-02T20:27:52 < MrCircuitMatt> that's essentially the same but instead of redirecting it into the temporary files foo and bar, you'd evaluate it on the fly, generate two input streams to diff and diff would work with these 2015-04-02T20:29:50 < Laurenceb> hmm 2015-04-02T20:29:51 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: you could also grep the normal diff output for '^Only in ' 2015-04-02T20:29:55 < Laurenceb> still not working 2015-04-02T20:30:14 < Laurenceb> its saying lots of stuff differs when i can see its in both locations 2015-04-02T20:30:26 < Laurenceb> the folder structure differs a lot 2015-04-02T20:30:31 < Laurenceb> will this mess things up? 2015-04-02T20:30:35 < MrCircuitMatt> oh yes 2015-04-02T20:30:43 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-04-02T20:30:51 < Laurenceb> yeah im only interested in the file names 2015-04-02T20:30:52 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: so you want to know whether the files are there but you don't care about their location? 2015-04-02T20:30:57 < Laurenceb> or ideally the file contents 2015-04-02T20:30:59 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-04-02T20:31:06 < Laurenceb> file contents is going to be slower 2015-04-02T20:31:20 < Laurenceb> unless i could somehow just check the first ~1k of each 2015-04-02T20:31:44 < MrCircuitMatt> how much data are we talking here? 2015-04-02T20:31:53 < Laurenceb> ~1TB 2015-04-02T20:32:37 < MrCircuitMatt> hm OK so I would have said hash everything and diff that. depends on how much time you have 2015-04-02T20:33:28 < Laurenceb> about an hour :P 2015-04-02T20:33:48 < MrCircuitMatt> uuh OK... 2015-04-02T20:34:29 < MrCircuitMatt> Laurenceb: is this an option? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duplicate_file_finders 2015-04-02T20:35:06 < Laurenceb> aha thanks 2015-04-02T20:35:12 < MrCircuitMatt> it's a bit of the opposite though 2015-04-02T20:35:27 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah 2015-04-02T20:36:02 < MrCircuitMatt> I imagine that you might be able to take the output from that and run something like a set-minus to get the ones that are not duplicates 2015-04-02T20:36:10 < Laurenceb> heh 2015-04-02T20:36:22 < Laurenceb> theres got to be a way to do this with fairly simple shell scripts 2015-04-02T20:36:34 < superbia> yep there is 2015-04-02T20:36:37 < MrCircuitMatt> there is but it requires a bit of trickery to do it efficiently 2015-04-02T20:37:12 < MrCircuitMatt> I'd meter how long the crude approach would take and go for that if it's acceptable... or maybe superbia has a superb ideal 2015-04-02T20:39:18 < Laurenceb> ill tyre this stuff http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/3555/find-duplicate-files-based-on-size-first-then-md5-hash 2015-04-02T20:40:00 < MrCircuitMatt> hm yeah something along those lines 2015-04-02T20:40:24 < Getty> Ok..... where is the exit? http://9gag.com/gag/awK17LB 2015-04-02T20:41:45 < MrCircuitMatt> Getty: I'm wondering how they shot the very first picture 2015-04-02T20:42:49 < Getty> i also wonder why they dont show the lower half of the picture ;-)))))) 2015-04-02T20:43:17 < Laurenceb> they would in japan 2015-04-02T20:43:58 < MrCircuitMatt> didn't they pass some law in Japan that phones shall make the click-sound when pictures are taken because of similar reasons? Or is that just urban legend? 2015-04-02T20:45:02 < MrCircuitMatt> in any case while I'm at it... sd card reading on the STM32F411. Am I supposed to use the SPI interface or should I use the native stuff / is that available? 2015-04-02T20:45:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.bestgore.com/forum/only-in-japan-fuck-machine-races-t-1280.html 2015-04-02T20:45:40 < Laurenceb> NSFW 2015-04-02T20:45:40 < emeb> "supposed"? 2015-04-02T20:46:00 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: you can use either spi or sdio on an F411 2015-04-02T20:46:22 < MrCircuitMatt> supposed as in what do people do 2015-04-02T20:46:32 < emeb> code for both is out there. The F4 stdperiph distribution has examples for sdio 2015-04-02T20:46:45 < Getty> Laurencb: i..... what?... aehm.....what... where..... who..... 2015-04-02T20:46:47 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: I'm confused because I thought sdio was the 'native' interface, like the non-SPI one 2015-04-02T20:47:06 < superbia> Laurenceb: how many files 2015-04-02T20:47:14 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: there are two ways to access SD card - SPI or SDIO 2015-04-02T20:47:14 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: but some reading suggests that it is more of a GPIO-for-sdcard kind of thing which confused me 2015-04-02T20:47:17 < Laurenceb> ~10^4 2015-04-02T20:47:36 < emeb> I suppose you could bitbang it, but why? 2015-04-02T20:47:45 < Laurenceb> find DIR1 DIR2 -type f -exec sha1sum {} + | sort | uniq -u --check-chars 40 | cut -c 43- 2015-04-02T20:47:49 < Laurenceb> is what im trying 2015-04-02T20:48:15 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: hm no bitbanging would be the least appealing to me 2015-04-02T20:48:40 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: SPI is probably the easiest. Not as fast as SDIO tho 2015-04-02T20:48:44 < MrCircuitMatt> looks like I misunderstood what sdio is, I'm going for another read 2015-04-02T20:49:08 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: it doesn't have to be fast, but it has to be steady. Somebody said that a lot of buffering was required to achieve this 2015-04-02T20:49:23 < emeb> Steady as in hard realtime limits? 2015-04-02T20:49:31 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: I have to read a wav (or similar) file from the card in real time while pushing it out to the I2S bus 2015-04-02T20:49:41 < MrCircuitMatt> I have the I2S part kicking and am addressing the sd card now 2015-04-02T20:49:46 < emeb> Ah - sound player. 2015-04-02T20:49:56 < MrCircuitMatt> yeah something along those lines 2015-04-02T20:50:17 < MrCircuitMatt> it's more of a ham radio repeater but it has to play sound, yes :) 2015-04-02T20:50:26 < emeb> Sample rate is what? 2015-04-02T20:50:35 < superbia> what resource do you have Laurenceb 2015-04-02T20:50:47 < Laurenceb> what do you mean? 2015-04-02T20:51:12 < Laurenceb> well anyway it just finished running 2015-04-02T20:51:21 < MrCircuitMatt> I have the I2S running at 48 kHz and have to keep that sampling rate but if necessary I can go as low as 8 kHz for the wav file. 2015-04-02T20:51:24 < Laurenceb> but i need to exclude some file types :P 2015-04-02T20:52:02 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: yeah - for narrowband FM you don't need more than 8kHz sample rate. You might get SPI to work fine with that. 2015-04-02T20:52:02 < MrCircuitMatt> and the file is mono only. The I2S runs at a depth of 16 bits now, no idea if it still sounds OK if I knock that down 2015-04-02T20:52:28 < superbia> Laurenceb: so you dont need help 2015-04-02T20:52:39 < MrCircuitMatt> I'm happy to go the SDIO route actually. I didn't realize that SDIO was the alternative 2015-04-02T20:52:41 < Laurenceb> no lol 2015-04-02T20:53:09 < emeb> and 8-bit samples should be fine - you don't need more than 48dB SNR for NBFM 2015-04-02T20:53:31 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: I'm still confused about what wikipedia says about SDIO though 2015-04-02T20:53:34 < MrCircuitMatt> A SDIO (Secure Digital Input Output) card is an extension of the SD specification to cover I/O functions 2015-04-02T20:53:44 < MrCircuitMatt> that does not sound like what I want at all 2015-04-02T20:54:05 < rkreis> can anyone clear up the USB D+/D- resistor madness? i've seen 22 ohm, 10 ohm and no resistor at all in various circuits, and i think some people here also said you don't need them, is there an authorative source somewhere? 2015-04-02T20:54:06 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: the F4 SDIO port is just a 4-bit parallel interface to SD cards. 2015-04-02T20:54:12 < rkreis> i can't seem to find anything in the datasheet of my stm32l052 2015-04-02T20:54:22 < emeb> You *can* do I/O on it, but mostly it's just used to access memory cards. 2015-04-02T20:54:35 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: OK that makes sense 2015-04-02T20:54:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-colrfkympyvocooq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-02T20:54:42 < emeb> The SPI approach is 1-bit serial and thus a lot slower. 2015-04-02T20:55:57 < MrCircuitMatt> rkreis: I always understood those resistors as to be part-specific termination resistors in order to meet the impedance required by the USB spec 2015-04-02T20:56:24 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: understood I'll try the SDIO then and will resort to SPI in case of frustration 2015-04-02T20:56:38 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: sounds like a plan 2015-04-02T20:56:56 < rkreis> MrCircuitMatt, that makes sense, but i still don't know what to use for my specific µc :) 2015-04-02T20:57:00 < emeb> rkreis: what resistors you use depend on which STM32 part you use. 2015-04-02T20:57:23 < emeb> The different families have different USB PHY designs - some need resistors, some don't. 2015-04-02T20:57:26 < MrCircuitMatt> rkreis: yes sorry I can't help you on that one I'm completely new to those parts 2015-04-02T20:57:37 < emeb> Generally the newer parts don't need resistors and the older ones do. 2015-04-02T20:57:55 < emeb> You need to consult the datasheet and reference manual for your part to know for sure. 2015-04-02T20:58:06 < rkreis> i'm having trouble finding it, any pointers? 2015-04-02T20:58:16 < emeb> Finding what? 2015-04-02T20:58:19 < qyx_> 0x08001234 2015-04-02T20:58:22 < rkreis> the required resistor value 2015-04-02T20:58:46 < emeb> rkreis: look in the data sheet and reference manuals - they will say exactly what is needed. 2015-04-02T20:58:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-66-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-02T20:58:59 < rkreis> yes, i am doing just that :) 2015-04-02T20:59:19 < emeb> Or, grab the schematics for the ST dev boards / discovery boards. 2015-04-02T20:59:42 < emeb> the board for the nearest part in the family you are using - just do what they did. 2015-04-02T21:00:04 < rkreis> to my defense, the datasheet and RM are huge :) 2015-04-02T21:00:31 < emeb> rkreis: yes. It's a lot to take in, but if you want to be successful you need to spend time with them. 2015-04-02T21:00:49 < superbia> Trollenceb: rsync -n -avun --delete $TARGET $SOURCE will give you a list of files that do not exist in the target-directory. 2015-04-02T21:01:04 < emeb> Generally the requirements for the external circuits will be in the electrical specs section of the datasheet. 2015-04-02T21:01:26 < emeb> but the schematics are pretty good as an authority too. 2015-04-02T21:01:54 < emeb> and in worst case, just put in 22 ohm resistors - it won't prevent the system from working if they're not needed. 2015-04-02T21:02:23 < superbia> Laurenceb: ^ 2015-04-02T21:02:39 < rkreis> the electrical characteristics is actually the first place where i looked, no luck so far :) 2015-04-02T21:02:54 < rkreis> also, at this point, i do want to find it in the datasheet, nowhere else :D 2015-04-02T21:02:56 < Laurenceb> superbai: --delete?! 2015-04-02T21:02:59 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll 2015-04-02T21:03:02 < superbia> its dry run 2015-04-02T21:03:03 < qyx_> lol 2015-04-02T21:03:08 < superbia> rsync dry run 2015-04-02T21:03:11 < Laurenceb> ah 2015-04-02T21:03:14 < MrCircuitMatt> yeah he has -n in there also 2015-04-02T21:03:17 < Laurenceb> well it works now anyway thanks 2015-04-02T21:06:58 < emeb> rkreis: Appendix B in the F411 datasheet shows what's needed to interface to USB. No resistor is specified. 2015-04-02T21:07:32 < emeb> However - If I were you I'd seriously consider putting an ESD limiter on. Look at the schematic for the F4 Discovery for suggestions. 2015-04-02T21:08:11 < rkreis> my stm32l052 datasheet doesn't even have an appendix, and no relevant mention of "resistor" either 2015-04-02T21:08:40 < MrCircuitMatt> emeb: hehe thank you for digging this out for me, that's another thing I would have had to look up at some point :) 2015-04-02T21:08:56 < emeb> MrCircuitMatt: np 2015-04-02T21:09:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T21:10:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-02T21:10:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T21:11:51 < rkreis> so the stm32l1 discovery board actually uses 10 ohm resistors, that's where i saw it :) 2015-04-02T21:18:31 < emeb> rkreis: the schematics in the User Manual for the L0 Discovery board have zero-ohm resistors on the USB DM/DP lines. 2015-04-02T21:18:46 < rkreis> oh, i didn't know there's also an L0 board :) 2015-04-02T21:18:53 < emeb> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00118944.pdf 2015-04-02T21:19:06 < emeb> pg36 2015-04-02T21:19:11 < rkreis> so i guess i can't find anything about any resistors at all because none are needed 2015-04-02T21:19:20 < emeb> :) 2015-04-02T21:19:45 < rkreis> thank you :) 2015-04-02T21:19:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T21:20:09 < rkreis> job done, i guess :) 2015-04-02T21:20:34 < rkreis> so, does anyone know how i can "identify" different kinds of peripherals? for example, stm32f105 and stm32f107 have the same USB periph, does it have a name or so? 2015-04-02T21:21:06 < zyp> in what sense? 2015-04-02T21:21:18 < zyp> the instance is called OTG_FS in ST documentation 2015-04-02T21:21:35 < zyp> the USB core itself is licensed from synopsys, it's dwc_otg 2015-04-02T21:21:53 < rkreis> in that sense :) 2015-04-02T21:22:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T21:22:08 < rkreis> emeb, hi back :) 2015-04-02T21:24:41 < rkreis> looks like i'm not capable of reading datasheets today 2015-04-02T21:26:35 < rkreis> zyp, looks like it's simply "USB" on the stm32l052 2015-04-02T21:26:48 < zyp> yep, and a completely different core 2015-04-02T21:27:49 < rkreis> background: i'd want to use libopencm3's usb support 2015-04-02T21:28:09 < zyp> I think somebody did some work in that regard 2015-04-02T21:28:30 < zyp> the core in L0 is simply a newer generation of the one that dates back to F1 2015-04-02T21:28:50 < rkreis> specifically the one used in the stm32f103? 2015-04-02T21:28:55 < zyp> yes 2015-04-02T21:29:22 < rkreis> so the first step would be just using the stm32f103 driver and hoping for the best :) 2015-04-02T21:29:33 < zyp> the main difference is that they changed how the buffer memory block is mapped on the memory bus 2015-04-02T21:29:35 < rkreis> and then tracking down whoever tried the same 2015-04-02T21:29:51 < rkreis> and crystal-less operation? or is that not really a feature of the USB block? 2015-04-02T21:30:00 < emeb> Looks like it doesn't need external 1.5k pullup either. 2015-04-02T21:30:11 < zyp> crystal-less operation is a feature of the RCC 2015-04-02T21:30:17 < zyp> emeb, it doesn't 2015-04-02T21:30:46 < emeb> nice 2015-04-02T21:30:47 < zyp> I've done a board with it 2015-04-02T21:30:54 < emeb> wish the F3 was like that. 2015-04-02T21:31:14 < emeb> zyp: any notion of where the F070F6 parts are in the pipe? 2015-04-02T21:31:17 < rkreis> with the f103 or l...? 2015-04-02T21:31:25 < emeb> They're on the ST site but nowhere in distribution. 2015-04-02T21:31:26 < zyp> emeb, what's that? 2015-04-02T21:31:40 < emeb> That's a little M0 core with USB in a TSSOP20 pkg 2015-04-02T21:31:40 < rkreis> i'll have a nice stm32l052 board in two weeks or so 2015-04-02T21:31:45 < emeb> for like $1.00 2015-04-02T21:33:41 < zyp> unsure 2015-04-02T21:33:54 < emeb> yah. just have to wait I suppose. 2015-04-02T21:34:03 < zyp> I prefer M0+ due to the lack of SCB_VTOR in M0 2015-04-02T21:34:19 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-02T21:34:58 < zyp> rkreis, I made this some months ago: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/u9XvV.JPG 2015-04-02T21:35:08 < rkreis> oh, i rememver :) 2015-04-02T21:35:31 < rkreis> i showed a schematic of what i'm working on and we went through all the things i forgot 2015-04-02T21:35:40 < zyp> ah, right 2015-04-02T21:36:44 < rkreis> currently having the PCBs made, a first for me! 2015-04-02T21:36:49 < rkreis> and a batch of 12, so they better be ok 2015-04-02T21:36:57 < emeb> zyp: you need SCB_VTOR for bootloader? 2015-04-02T21:37:21 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-02T21:37:32 < zyp> you can do it without, if you really ghetto it up 2015-04-02T21:39:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-02T21:42:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has quit [] 2015-04-02T21:43:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T21:44:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T21:45:54 -!- DanteA [~X@host-66-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T21:47:04 < emeb> oo - F030 breakout PCBs shipped from OSHpark. 2015-04-02T21:48:12 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-02T22:07:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has quit [] 2015-04-02T22:07:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T22:14:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T22:22:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.250] has quit [] 2015-04-02T22:23:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T22:24:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-66-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-02T22:51:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T23:20:00 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-02T23:25:33 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T23:30:27 < woop> anybody familiar with the emw3162 from mxchip? got a few that have been sitting around begging for me to figure them out 2015-04-02T23:35:38 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-02T23:41:58 < malinus> rkreis: can I see? 2015-04-02T23:44:26 < rkreis> malinus, http://i.imgur.com/CCzywvH.png http://i.imgur.com/E6i2kbw.png 2015-04-02T23:46:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-02T23:49:43 < malinus> rkreis: nice. Why is it only one sided? Isn't it better to have a ground/vcc plain? 2015-04-02T23:50:09 < rkreis> cheaper :) 2015-04-02T23:50:39 < malinus> Really? Where? 2015-04-02T23:50:48 < rkreis> everywhere, i think? 2015-04-02T23:50:58 < rkreis> in this case, pcbpool 2015-04-02T23:51:09 < malinus> most places (I've looked), don't even offer 1-sided as a thing 2015-04-02T23:51:26 < rkreis> might be a regional thing *shrug* 2015-04-02T23:52:49 < malinus> rkreis: ah, it seems like you can choose between: 1) high quality, fast, 1sided, expensive 2) cheap, ok-quality, slow, 2sided+silk 2015-04-02T23:52:57 < malinus> 1) local 2) china :D 2015-04-02T23:53:02 < rkreis> yes :) 2015-04-02T23:53:03 < malinus> at least that's how I see it 2015-04-02T23:53:05 < rkreis> uni says "local" 2015-04-02T23:53:25 < malinus> rkreis: how much did you pay for those 12? 2015-04-02T23:53:39 < rkreis> about 100 for the boards plus 500 for the components 2015-04-02T23:53:45 < malinus> 100 what? 2015-04-02T23:53:49 < rkreis> euros 2015-04-02T23:53:53 < malinus> WHAT 2015-04-02T23:54:11 < malinus> jesus christ 2015-04-02T23:54:21 < rkreis> don't tell me :) 2015-04-02T23:54:43 < rkreis> actually, we were going to get an evaluation kit consisting of just *two* boards for the same price 2015-04-02T23:54:47 < malinus> I knew it would be expensive locally. But I didn't expect 10x the price. 2015-04-02T23:54:50 < rkreis> and i was like "we can probably make 10 for that money" 2015-04-02T23:56:42 < superbia> http://www.8devices.com/carambola-2 2015-04-02T23:57:13 < rkreis> sweet 2015-04-02T23:59:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Day changed Fri Apr 03 2015 2015-04-03T00:05:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T00:13:58 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-03T00:20:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-03T00:21:10 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4037c.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T00:23:01 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d42bf0.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-03T00:35:22 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T00:37:38 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgxpiyqzvxwwproc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T00:38:46 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T00:38:49 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-03T00:40:19 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T00:43:52 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmbucgytcvfzydbe] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T00:46:11 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kznwtxhqpuxrxmpv] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:05:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-03T01:06:57 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-03T01:07:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:07:42 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-03T01:12:55 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2015-04-03T01:18:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-2cfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:25:44 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-193-67.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:26:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-03T01:28:36 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:29:01 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:31:05 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T01:38:46 < kakimir> how is your day? 2015-04-03T01:50:59 < englishman> excellent sir 2015-04-03T01:51:04 < englishman> i have been innovating non stop 2015-04-03T01:51:24 < kakimir> I have not 2015-04-03T01:54:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcTdJT25Rdm9rUms/view?usp=sharing I got this from store with some high performance half bridges 2015-04-03T01:54:20 < malinus> LQFP-64, still duable by hand, right? 2015-04-03T01:54:32 < kakimir> still 2015-04-03T01:55:31 < malinus> *doable 2015-04-03T01:56:03 < malinus> still as in - you don't have to move up much more, before it isn't, right? 2015-04-03T01:56:56 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-03T01:57:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-2cfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-03T01:57:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-2cfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T01:59:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-2cfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-03T02:00:49 < kakimir> move up as? 2015-04-03T02:01:06 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@2a01:348:99:151:236:21:65:2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T02:02:26 < englishman> totally doable no prob 2015-04-03T02:03:04 < englishman> tack one or two pins, drag the rest under flux, done 2015-04-03T02:03:22 < kakimir> suprisingly easy 2015-04-03T02:03:36 < kakimir> when part is in place 2015-04-03T02:04:18 < kakimir> but if there is anything under chip it's ruins 2015-04-03T02:04:33 < kakimir> like layer of solder 2015-04-03T02:04:56 < malinus> Well, I've done SOIC packages before 2015-04-03T02:05:10 < malinus> I guess it isn't THAT different. 2015-04-03T02:05:15 < kakimir> get magnifier and good light 2015-04-03T02:05:16 < qyx_> is it 2015-04-03T02:05:19 < qyx_> *it is 2015-04-03T02:05:30 < kakimir> you can do soics blind 2015-04-03T02:05:44 < malinus> haha 2015-04-03T02:05:45 < qyx_> it is much easier to make solder bridges on 0.5mm qfp 2015-04-03T02:05:56 < kakimir> can't you? 2015-04-03T02:06:14 < malinus> well I didn't have problems with SOIC 2015-04-03T02:06:33 < englishman> i had way better luck with solder bridges when switching flux 2015-04-03T02:06:46 < englishman> but i suck at soldering too 2015-04-03T02:07:50 < malinus> I've never really bothered to use flux before (other then what's in the solder). I guess it's a good idea with lqfp. 2015-04-03T02:08:12 < qyx_> surely 2015-04-03T02:09:43 < emeb> qfp is dirt-simple w/ a bevel tip, lots of flux and the drag-solder technique. 2015-04-03T02:10:11 < emeb> Takes me a couple swipes on each side - about a minute total even for a 144-pin. 2015-04-03T02:10:28 < englishman> i use this now http://www.cmlsupply.com/kester-no-clean-electronics-rework-flux-6cc/ 2015-04-03T02:10:58 < emeb> worst part is doing the initial alignment & tack. 2015-04-03T02:12:39 < Theremin> doom on stm32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRNcfsDIc2A 2015-04-03T02:13:11 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-03T02:13:17 < englishman> nice 2015-04-03T02:14:54 < emeb> That's it then - we're done. 2015-04-03T02:15:04 < emeb> once you can run Doom it's all over. 2015-04-03T02:19:09 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T02:21:59 < kakimir> malinus: btw you need flux 2015-04-03T02:22:19 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T02:22:27 < kakimir> I'm pretty sure 2015-04-03T02:22:36 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-03T02:22:55 < malinus> yeah 2015-04-03T02:23:03 < malinus> It 2015-04-03T02:23:20 < malinus> It's not that I don't have flux, I just never even considered using it. 2015-04-03T02:23:45 < kakimir> I saw digital camera in early 00-decade 2015-04-03T02:23:51 < kakimir> running doom 2015-04-03T02:25:58 < kakimir> I bet he is streaming videostream from his computer 2015-04-03T02:26:53 < malinus> kakimir: you can check the source if you want. All on github 2015-04-03T02:27:15 < kakimir> ok cool 2015-04-03T02:27:33 < kakimir> you never concidered using flux? 2015-04-03T02:27:37 < kakimir> U mad? 2015-04-03T02:29:59 < kakimir> never even tried it'0 2015-04-03T02:30:02 < kakimir> ? 2015-04-03T02:31:46 < malinus> no, haha. 2015-04-03T02:33:27 < kakimir> 1) apply 2) master soldering from first second 2015-04-03T02:37:25 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1427240152025.webm 2015-04-03T02:37:39 < kakimir> flux doesn't just make it work, but gives good even joints every time 2015-04-03T02:37:52 < kakimir> *when you do it same way every time 2015-04-03T02:39:27 < kakimir> I use flux every where 2015-04-03T02:39:34 < kakimir> everywhere 2015-04-03T02:40:09 < BrainDamage> for sex too? 2015-04-03T02:40:56 < kakimir> *solo 2015-04-03T02:41:51 < kakimir> malinus: just dont inhale flux vapor 2015-04-03T02:43:15 < kakimir> you don't want to vommit on your work 2015-04-03T02:46:45 -!- FatBack [~Fat@cpe-76-189-106-172.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T02:55:49 < BrainDamage> if you solder a lot, flux fumes can produce asthma 2015-04-03T02:55:58 < BrainDamage> flux is essentially a weak acid 2015-04-03T03:00:50 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T03:05:37 < kakimir> it has fluoride in it 2015-04-03T03:09:33 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-03T03:09:57 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-03T03:12:56 -!- FatBack [~Fat@cpe-76-189-106-172.neo.res.rr.com] has left ##stm32 ["DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ"] 2015-04-03T03:14:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T03:25:03 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T03:29:24 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-03T03:36:10 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-03T03:41:59 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-03T03:45:05 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T03:45:57 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmbucgytcvfzydbe] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-03T03:47:05 < englishman> dongs 2015-04-03T03:47:06 < englishman> http://www.myrcmart.com/openpilot-cc3d-flight-controller-mini-atom-with-free-vibration-damping-plate-antenna-mount-p-8743.html 2015-04-03T03:47:07 < englishman> cloned 2015-04-03T03:47:31 < dongs> awesome 2015-04-03T03:47:49 < dongs> dankers must be super excited 2015-04-03T03:57:22 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-03T03:57:42 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T03:57:46 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T04:01:23 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T04:01:24 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-03T04:02:02 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-03T04:02:18 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T04:06:09 -!- dfgsdja [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T04:09:56 < tonyarkles> R2COM: board layout! 2015-04-03T04:19:11 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d42605.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T04:21:24 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d4037c.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-03T04:39:30 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T04:43:14 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-03T05:04:27 < qyx_> fuk this fatback and its dcc keylogger 2015-04-03T05:05:28 < qyx_> 04:05 Ignoring DCC from * 2015-04-03T05:05:29 < qyx_> solved 2015-04-03T05:05:57 < specing> see, there will always be idiots trying to ruin it for everybody else 2015-04-03T05:06:05 < specing> now you can't DCC anymore. 2015-04-03T05:17:54 < upgrdman> dcc is a file transfer protocol, right? 2015-04-03T05:24:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-03T05:25:05 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T05:32:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T05:49:13 < upgrdman> lolwut http://www.startribune.com/local/east/298506091.html 2015-04-03T05:55:55 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.35.150] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T05:59:01 -!- ReadMobl [uid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlmbcjnearleeldg] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T06:04:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kznwtxhqpuxrxmpv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-03T06:10:39 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-03T06:16:40 < baird> I have it cowboy coffee style. 2015-04-03T06:20:49 < baird> 'Cowboy coffee' is just a camping brewing method-- add off-the-boil water to coffee rounds, add a pinch of salt, and then stir until all the grounds sink. 2015-04-03T06:23:41 < baird> ...with milk 2015-04-03T06:28:59 < emeb_mac> why do people flavor vodka? 2015-04-03T06:29:03 < emeb_mac> senseless 2015-04-03T06:29:45 -!- baird is now known as JohnRLind 2015-04-03T06:29:57 < JohnRLind> ..are you sure you won't have it with milk? 2015-04-03T06:30:03 < emeb_mac> if you want candy, eat candy. If you want alcohol don't screw around. 2015-04-03T06:30:08 -!- JohnRLind is now known as bairdy 2015-04-03T06:35:04 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T06:35:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T06:35:55 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-10-32.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T06:37:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T06:38:11 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp118-211-193-67.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T06:38:49 < baird> Fuck you. I'll drink all the Black Russian coffees I want. 2015-04-03T06:45:55 < Roklobsta> sorry is this #stm32? 2015-04-03T06:51:22 < emeb_mac> why yes. yes it is. why do you ask? 2015-04-03T07:00:03 < dongs> woot 2015-04-03T07:00:07 < dongs> lvds cables are here 2015-04-03T07:01:00 < emeb_mac> yay? 2015-04-03T07:02:14 < dongs> very yay 2015-04-03T07:02:27 < dongs> they're quite kawaii 2015-04-03T07:31:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-100-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T07:34:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.207] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T07:47:15 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dydgjjjycuyykcfh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-03T07:49:31 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufxrpebgzztvtcfa] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T07:53:58 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@203-217-62-86.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T08:01:34 < dongs> and it works 2015-04-03T08:01:34 < dongs> yay 2015-04-03T08:01:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oPKA4iN.jpg 2015-04-03T08:03:37 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-40-230.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:03:55 < DanteA> Is that windows? 2015-04-03T08:04:10 < dongs> no, lunix 2015 2015-04-03T08:04:43 < DanteA> Nice 2015-04-03T08:05:05 < DanteA> What is the board? 2015-04-03T08:05:14 < dongs> that 2015-04-03T08:05:25 < dongs> splits wide into 2 panels. 2015-04-03T08:05:35 < emeb_mac> lunix 2015 haz the windows start button! who knew? 2015-04-03T08:05:43 < DanteA> :) 2015-04-03T08:05:52 < dongs> emeb_mac: lunix has been trying to clone a start button since fvwm95 2015-04-03T08:06:12 < emeb_mac> so hard! 2015-04-03T08:07:29 < DanteA> I saw in Linux many features has been implemented before Windows in UI.. 2015-04-03T08:07:35 < dongs> like what? 2015-04-03T08:07:53 < DanteA> Cairo dock 2015-04-03T08:07:59 < dongs> thew fuck is that 2015-04-03T08:08:19 < dongs> that looks like shit ripped from lunix 2015-04-03T08:08:19 < dongs> err 2015-04-03T08:08:21 < dongs> osx 2015-04-03T08:10:49 < dongs> heh the $10 china hsdpa usb stick has a dual sim/microsd socket 2015-04-03T08:11:00 < dongs> i guess it probly shows up as USB storage if I plug it in.. 2015-04-03T08:12:12 < DanteA> I guess, it was so: mac os -> linux -> windows 2015-04-03T08:18:17 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:21:47 -!- DanteA [~X@host-100-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-03T08:22:06 -!- DanteA [~X@host-100-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:29:04 -!- DanteA [~X@host-100-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-03T08:30:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:32:30 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T08:34:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-03T08:34:58 -!- mranostay [uid68205@pdpc/supporter/active/mranostay] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:35:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:35:28 < mranostay> emeb_mac: omg you are cool here? 2015-04-03T08:36:10 < emeb_mac> mranostay: I am not cool. I am old. 2015-04-03T08:39:21 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ixmtblhaplzqpjyw] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:43:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-03T08:47:02 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T08:48:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:04:13 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:12:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-03T09:13:27 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:14:44 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-03T09:16:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-03T09:17:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.207] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:19:46 < PeterM> dongs 2015-04-03T09:20:00 < PeterM> you upg to 15.1? 2015-04-03T09:20:00 < dongs> dongs 2015-04-03T09:20:07 < dongs> um when did that come out 2015-04-03T09:20:13 < dongs> im on 15.0.15 2015-04-03T09:20:32 < dongs> oh dicks 2015-04-03T09:20:34 < dongs> err 2015-04-03T09:20:38 < dongs> no, i dont se 15.1 either 2015-04-03T09:20:40 < dongs> no changelog 2015-04-03T09:20:40 < dongs> where is it? 2015-04-03T09:20:49 < PeterM> not out yet v.soon 2015-04-03T09:20:58 < PeterM> friend got beta copy 2015-04-03T09:21:04 < dongs> ah 2015-04-03T09:21:07 < PeterM> i noticed feature yoiu wrere complaingin about 2015-04-03T09:21:09 < dongs> i dont see anything awfully brken in .15 2015-04-03T09:21:14 < dongs> which? 2015-04-03T09:21:18 < dongs> decoupled 2d/3d? 2015-04-03T09:21:20 < PeterM> you can set soldermask expansion on holes now 2015-04-03T09:21:28 < dongs> aha, amaze 2015-04-03T09:21:36 < dongs> but thats been tehre 2015-04-03T09:21:42 < dongs> what it needs is copper clerance 2015-04-03T09:22:27 < dongs> damn i think iblew pwm pin on this shit 2015-04-03T09:22:35 < PeterM> fuck 2015-04-03T09:22:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jQleDXV.jpg and both panels work 2015-04-03T09:23:04 < PeterM> nice 2015-04-03T09:23:34 < PeterM> so.... whats the purpose? 2015-04-03T09:23:42 < PeterM> ultrawidescrreen? 2015-04-03T09:23:54 < PeterM> but tha bezzzzelzzz 2015-04-03T09:26:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.207] has quit [] 2015-04-03T09:27:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.207] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:27:17 -!- Theremin [~amir@147.175.181.199] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:27:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.207] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-03T09:32:22 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-03T09:34:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:34:46 -!- Theremin [~amir@147.175.181.199] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-03T09:38:50 < dongs> fucking stm 2015-04-03T09:38:54 < dongs> pwm pin is gone :( 2015-04-03T09:39:04 < dongs> outputs zero 2015-04-03T09:40:07 < dongs> i suppose i can try to replace it 2015-04-03T09:44:19 < PeterM> how you kill it? 2015-04-03T09:44:28 < PeterM> stick 12v in it or sthn? 2015-04-03T09:45:19 < dongs> yes 2015-04-03T09:45:23 < dongs> its right next to 12V lines 2015-04-03T09:45:27 < dongs> on like .4mm pitch connector 2015-04-03T09:45:31 < dongs> and iwas swapping them live 2015-04-03T09:45:44 < PeterM> ahh well 2015-04-03T09:45:50 < PeterM> ownfault.jpg 2015-04-03T09:47:18 < PeterM> i cooked a lt3791 the other day, trying to drive the internal voltage regulator so i could get a stronger fet drive 2015-04-03T09:48:05 < dongs> i only cook via non-pro ways 2015-04-03T09:53:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:55:45 < ReadMobl> Trying 192.168.42.1... 2015-04-03T09:55:46 < ReadMobl> Connected to 192.168.42.1. 2015-04-03T09:55:46 < ReadMobl> Escape character is '^]'. 2015-04-03T09:55:46 < ReadMobl> buildroot login: root 2015-04-03T09:55:46 < ReadMobl> ~ # uname -a 2015-04-03T09:55:46 < ReadMobl> Linux buildroot 2.6.38.8 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jan 12 20:35:25 HKT 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux 2015-04-03T09:55:46 < ReadMobl> ~ # 2015-04-03T09:55:53 < ReadMobl> teheheh ;) 2015-04-03T09:55:59 < ReadMobl> Yi camera has telnet open 2015-04-03T09:56:22 < ReadMobl> oly shit, so many commands avail 2015-04-03T09:57:11 < PeterM> meh, cheap, takes good video i wouldnt be bothered to fuck with it 2015-04-03T09:58:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T09:59:10 < ReadMobl> http://hastebin.com/tohohefeyi.vhdl 2015-04-03T10:04:53 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-03T10:05:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T10:05:49 < dongs> I hope that 0..64 etc timer is microseconds 2015-04-03T10:05:50 < dongs> and not seconds 2015-04-03T10:06:04 < dongs> cuz im not waiting for 64 seconds for camera to boot 2015-04-03T10:06:16 < dongs> also: lunix trash 2015-04-03T10:06:52 < malinus> This is the first time I've seen someone ask "Is this channel x?" 2015-04-03T10:07:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-03T10:07:46 < PeterM> dongs im pretty sure it is near identical hardware to the gobro - lots of people are happy to over pay for that 2015-04-03T10:07:56 < dongs> im sure it is 2015-04-03T10:08:44 < dongs> how much memory is in that fucking thing 2015-04-03T10:08:50 < dongs> 1gb?? 2015-04-03T10:08:53 < dongs> (ram) 2015-04-03T10:09:06 < dongs> wait never mind im stoned 2015-04-03T10:09:09 < dongs> it says 42mb right there 2015-04-03T10:10:18 < dongs> doesnt actually matter anyway, 160 times more ram than zano has 2015-04-03T10:11:04 < jpa-> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/coolest-clock-probably-the-coolest-clock-ever finally they've figured out the dark emitting diodes 2015-04-03T10:11:54 < dongs> is this ritot 2.0 2015-04-03T10:12:04 < jpa-> ritot was plausible compared to this 2015-04-03T10:12:13 < dongs> oh gawd the arduinos 2015-04-03T10:13:15 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T10:16:29 < malinus> haha arduinos+pi ;D 2015-04-03T10:16:43 < ReadMobl> this thing gets pretty damn warm though 2015-04-03T10:18:09 < PeterM> well it does its 1ah battery in an hour, so thats 3.6W 2015-04-03T10:18:23 < dongs> did yall order one 2015-04-03T10:18:30 < dongs> does it do 4k@15fps? 2015-04-03T10:18:36 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-03T10:20:45 < ReadMobl> no dont think 2015-04-03T10:20:51 < ReadMobl> the sensor is capable of that though 2015-04-03T10:20:59 < ReadMobl> same shit that dji uses in the inspire 2015-04-03T10:23:15 < malinus> what 2015-04-03T10:23:16 < malinus> the 2015-04-03T10:23:18 < malinus> fuck https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sonicable-the-world-s-most-advanced-charging-cable 2015-04-03T10:23:41 < PeterM> yeah 2015-04-03T10:23:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T10:23:50 < PeterM> dumb 2015-04-03T10:25:01 < PeterM> switch probably just uses data lines for extra juice or something dumb like that 2015-04-03T10:30:56 < jpa-> probably just switches the data lines together or to a resistor for "battery charging" mode; i.e. charges faster than 500mA nominal in USB data mode 2015-04-03T10:31:10 < dongs> ^ thaT 2015-04-03T10:31:19 < PeterM> that too yes 2015-04-03T10:31:27 < dongs> no, thats all it does 2015-04-03T10:31:54 < jpa-> dual-sided usb is funny though 2015-04-03T10:32:01 < PeterM> for that much i'd expect a tps2513 not a resistor 2015-04-03T10:33:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-03T10:33:40 < dongs> dualsided usb is not new 2015-04-03T10:33:54 < dongs> when my taiwan pal was here lawst time he had a charge canle like that 2015-04-03T10:33:55 < dongs> cable 2015-04-03T10:34:01 < dongs> the inner "tab" for usb was really thin 2015-04-03T10:34:04 < ReadMobl> whats the tradeoff, more fragile? 2015-04-03T10:34:04 < dongs> so you could plug it in either way 2015-04-03T10:34:07 < dongs> yea 2015-04-03T10:34:11 < dongs> the tab is a lot thinner 2015-04-03T10:35:16 < PeterM> on proper designed double sided plug you need the outside metal stamped in such a way that it stops the contacts on the center tab touching the outside metal housing when pushed to the side too 2015-04-03T10:35:47 < dongs> plz. 2015-04-03T10:35:50 < dongs> thats not even on teh design menu 2015-04-03T10:36:30 < PeterM> fine with me if you wanna short out yr charger 2015-04-03T10:38:47 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T10:40:39 < dongs> haha 2015-04-03T10:40:42 < dongs> apparently they had some "legal issues" 2015-04-03T10:40:48 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/slimger-ultra-slim-charger-for-mobile-devices#activity 2015-04-03T10:40:53 < dongs> Those of you that backed our other project, SONICable might have noticed that the campaign page is down. 2015-04-03T10:40:56 < dongs> We read comments that we scammed people out of their money and shut down the campaign. 2015-04-03T10:40:59 < dongs> So to address that: We did not scam anyone and are not holding your funds, the funds are being held by indiegogo until we sort out the legal issues. 2015-04-03T10:41:03 < dongs> wut 2015-04-03T10:41:59 < PeterM> what legal issues would a project/product like that have? did they include someone elses trademarks in the name or somethin 2015-04-03T10:42:13 < dongs> apple refused t o certify them for MFI? 2015-04-03T10:42:26 < PeterM> ahh 2015-04-03T10:42:31 < dongs> (my guess) 2015-04-03T10:42:37 < PeterM> yeah 2015-04-03T10:42:42 < dongs> or tehy s aid "MFI certified" but they havent even considered 2015-04-03T10:42:43 < PeterM> probably 2015-04-03T10:43:19 < dongs> Unfortunately, our campaign was hijacked by a party that falsely claimed that our SONICable infringed on their patent. This is simply not true. Their claim was misleading at best and even possibly intentionally fraudulent. They were trying to scare us and bully us into paying them a licensing fee. 2015-04-03T10:43:24 < dongs> haha 2015-04-03T10:43:47 < malinus> did they use round corners? 2015-04-03T10:44:02 < malinus> Was it apple that was trying to fraud them? 2015-04-03T10:48:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T10:48:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-03T10:50:04 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T10:50:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T10:53:59 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T11:13:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T11:13:59 < dongs> k time to repair this dicks laptop 2015-04-03T11:16:02 < malinus> I love the common misconception about computers getting slower over time. 2015-04-03T11:17:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-03T11:24:13 < PeterM> malinus, wut 2015-04-03T11:32:26 < dongs> im actually replacing the lcd panel 2015-04-03T11:32:34 < dongs> not some newb IT tarsh 2015-04-03T11:32:39 < dongs> install winword.exe 2015-04-03T11:33:25 < PeterM> i usually have to swap out cooked FETs on the battery or ac input 2015-04-03T11:34:32 < malinus> PeterM: people think their computers get slower over time 2015-04-03T11:34:41 < malinus> you never heard that before? 2015-04-03T11:34:59 < malinus> "Oh my computer is getting so slow, I need to buy a new one". 2015-04-03T11:36:20 < PeterM> nope 2015-04-03T11:37:29 -!- akawolf [~akawolf@188.162.64.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T11:37:51 -!- akawolf is now known as TestMyNick 2015-04-03T11:40:11 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T11:40:15 < malinus> I hear it all the time 2015-04-03T11:45:41 -!- TestMyNick [~akawolf@188.162.64.7] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-03T11:46:37 < trepidaciousMBR2> Computers DO get slower over time, taken as a whole system 2015-04-03T11:47:23 < trepidaciousMBR2> Possibly even on a hardware level, if you consider fluff building up in fans reducing thermal performance and hence causing earlier throttling 2015-04-03T11:48:03 < trepidaciousMBR2> But if you install more crap, they may well run slower, and people do install more crap over time 2015-04-03T11:48:10 < trepidaciousMBR2> so how is it a misconception? 2015-04-03T11:48:23 < trepidaciousMBR2> Sorry I should have put malinus on some of that ;) 2015-04-03T11:49:03 < trepidaciousMBR2> Plus stuff like (mainly older) SSDs performance degrading with use/amount of data stored 2015-04-03T11:50:07 -!- TestNickMy [~akawolf@188.162.64.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T11:50:08 < Getty> I still think that 99.9999% of the world has no idea how bitcoin works http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/leocoin-bitcoin-rival-launches-amid-claims-pump-dump-scam-1494561 2015-04-03T11:53:43 < malinus> trepidaciousMBR2: just because some processes run slower, because you have a terrible operating system you can't maintane, that doesn't magically make your computer slower. It's still running at the same speed. 2015-04-03T11:54:08 < trepidaciousMBR2> malinus: Not on any measure that matters to an end user 2015-04-03T11:54:12 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T11:54:37 < trepidaciousMBR2> plus it may actually be slower as described - e.g. throttling from clogged fan, SSD becoming less efficient due to having to shuffle stuff around as it gets full 2015-04-03T11:54:55 < malinus> trepidaciousMBR2: do you buy a new car instead of changin the oil? 2015-04-03T11:55:04 < trepidaciousMBR2> malinus: If it takes 60 seconds to start up to the point where you can use an app, a computer is slower, even if the clock speed is the same 2015-04-03T11:55:13 < malinus> do you buy new tires (i.e. SSD), or buy a new car? 2015-04-03T11:55:30 < trepidaciousMBR2> malinus: I didn't say they should respond by buying a new PC, just that their statement that their computer gets slower over time is perfectly reasonable 2015-04-03T11:55:41 < trepidaciousMBR2> considered as a system for doing what they want to do, it DOES get slower 2015-04-03T11:56:17 < trepidaciousMBR2> considered as a set of switching gates etc. it doesn't (or might not) get slower, but why should they care? 2015-04-03T11:57:21 < trepidaciousMBR2> Your car gets slower when it's full of junk you don't need, the engine is still the same speed but as a whole it is slower. Of course you don't buy a new car, you remove the junk, but that's no reason to say that the car doesn't actually get slower 2015-04-03T11:57:38 < trepidaciousMBR2> or rather, engine is still the same power (for example) 2015-04-03T12:00:09 < malinus> I guess you are right then. 2015-04-03T12:00:22 < malinus> Computers get slower over time, providing you use windows. 2015-04-03T12:04:43 < dongs> and replaced 2015-04-03T12:04:46 < dongs> works way better 2015-04-03T12:08:57 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T12:09:16 < trepidaciousMBR2> malinus: OS X also seems a bit prone to it :( 2015-04-03T12:09:46 < trepidaciousMBR2> malinus: Linux follows a random path of bugginess and slowness ;) 2015-04-03T12:10:12 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-186-152.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-03T12:12:26 < malinus> true, haha 2015-04-03T12:31:17 < dongs> < ReadMobl> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=1496 dBm 2015-04-03T12:31:26 < dongs> lol'd @ lunix failure 2015-04-03T12:34:08 < dongs> thats over 9000 jiggawatts 2015-04-03T12:37:48 < ReadMobl> yea thats def not right.. 2015-04-03T12:38:32 < dongs> if you google that number 2015-04-03T12:38:37 < dongs> seems liek a common problem wiht cheap lunix trash 2015-04-03T12:38:38 < dongs> loler 2015-04-03T12:38:57 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-03T12:42:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-03T12:50:58 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T12:56:55 < englishman> so blurry arduino photos gets you 1/4 mil 2015-04-03T13:03:26 -!- green1 [~guest@103.247.48.146] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:03:36 -!- green1 [~guest@103.247.48.146] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-03T13:03:36 -!- green1 [~guest@unaffiliated/green1] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:06:59 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T13:08:12 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:08:20 -!- green1 [~guest@unaffiliated/green1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-03T13:09:48 < ReadMobl> dongs: http://hastebin.com/aqefuhimuf.md 2015-04-03T13:09:54 < ReadMobl> see anything fapworthy? 2015-04-03T13:10:21 < dongs> gyro lol 2015-04-03T13:10:25 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T13:10:28 < dongs> that shit looks reay to pilot a quaddonger 2015-04-03T13:10:31 < dongs> ready 2015-04-03T13:11:44 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:22:30 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T13:24:47 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:24:47 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-03T13:24:47 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:25:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.15] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:33:03 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:33:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:36:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-03T13:40:59 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T13:54:38 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@84-73-86-125.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-03T13:56:21 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-03T14:01:14 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T14:15:06 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-03T14:24:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ixmtblhaplzqpjyw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-03T14:25:07 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-10-32.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-03T14:28:09 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:35:35 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:38:11 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:39:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-03T14:40:37 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-03T14:41:09 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-144.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:43:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:47:05 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:47:06 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-03T14:47:06 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:47:06 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-03T14:47:06 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T14:49:33 < Taxman> i have just worked through the F7 datasheet. it seems, that the quad-spi is not usable with existing spi wirings :( 2015-04-03T14:51:28 < dongs> ... 2015-04-03T14:51:33 < dongs> why wouldnt it be 2015-04-03T14:51:41 < dongs> thats the shit that adds extra bits? 2015-04-03T14:53:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-03T14:57:20 -!- TestNickMy [~akawolf@188.162.64.7] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-03T15:04:52 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T15:05:16 < Taxman> two bits at one clock with no extra wires 2015-04-03T15:05:46 < Taxman> for bits with one clock with two extra wires (-hold and -wp reused for data transfer) 2015-04-03T15:05:56 < Taxman> four 2015-04-03T15:06:08 -!- Rickta59_ is now known as Rickta59 2015-04-03T15:08:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nmoggpdwywuescru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T15:41:48 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-03T15:43:01 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T15:44:18 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T16:06:57 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@77-57-115-96.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T16:07:02 < dongs> ohh, its ddr? 2015-04-03T16:07:16 < dongs> maybe i can finally drive those shitty LED drivers 2015-04-03T16:22:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-03T16:23:41 -!- dfgsdja [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-03T16:25:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T16:52:28 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-03T16:53:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T16:54:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-03T17:02:08 < dongs> what would make sense for unused analog inputs on a DAC 2015-04-03T17:02:11 < dongs> ground that shit right? 2015-04-03T17:02:54 < scrts_w> yup 2015-04-03T17:03:16 < scrts_w> but why there are analog inputs in a dac? 2015-04-03T17:03:35 < dongs> its the dac on f43-disco 2015-04-03T17:03:38 < dongs> it also has analog inputs 2015-04-03T17:03:41 < dongs> that you can route into stuff 2015-04-03T17:05:27 < dongs> hmm 2015-04-03T17:05:32 < PeterM> what like ref? 2015-04-03T17:05:37 < dongs> cirrus loldongs actually says 'any unused analog pairs should be left unconnected' 2015-04-03T17:05:41 < dongs> on a different part tho 2015-04-03T17:06:56 < scrts_w> interesting stuff with NC 2015-04-03T17:07:35 < dongs> nothing in the CS43L22 part datasheet tho 2015-04-03T17:07:36 < dongs> hm 2015-04-03T17:08:17 < scrts_w> that's audio dac? 2015-04-03T17:08:22 < scrts_w> maybe it's CODEC? 2015-04-03T17:08:41 < dongs> nah, it has analog shits that can route to amplifier 2015-04-03T17:08:43 < dongs> it does not sample them 2015-04-03T17:08:44 < scrts_w> and analog may have microphone input where they also inject DC for the mic 2015-04-03T17:08:59 < scrts_w> so that's why you couldn't ground it 2015-04-03T17:09:28 < dongs> 4 pairs of stereo analog inputs are provided for applications that require analog passthrough directly to 2015-04-03T17:09:31 < dongs> the HP/Line amplifiers. This analog input portion allows selection from and configuration of multiple combinations 2015-04-03T17:09:34 < dongs> of these stereo sources. 2015-04-03T17:09:37 < dongs> thats all it does. 2015-04-03T17:10:20 < akaWolf> dongs: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/2/21/196 2015-04-03T17:11:50 < dongs> akaWolf: why hsould i carea bout some 3 yers old shit 2015-04-03T17:12:57 < akaWolf> 2years 2015-04-03T17:13:21 < akaWolf> and there is still no supp for secure boot in mainline kernel :) 2015-04-03T17:13:40 < dongs> well, what a fucking shocker 2015-04-03T17:13:41 < dongs> ??? 2015-04-03T17:13:51 < akaWolf> nothing 2015-04-03T17:13:54 < akaWolf> just to know 2015-04-03T17:13:59 < dongs> lunix sucks dick: news at 11 2015-04-03T17:14:04 < akaWolf> nope 2015-04-03T17:14:07 < akaWolf> it's not so 2015-04-03T17:14:21 < akaWolf> Microsoft suck dick 2015-04-03T17:14:31 < akaWolf> will be more right 2015-04-03T17:14:32 < akaWolf> :) 2015-04-03T17:15:07 < dongs> http://www.jamiecraig.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/IMG_1049.jpg thats a pretty awesome fab 2015-04-03T17:17:05 < PeterM> dongs what am i looking at? 2015-04-03T17:17:38 < dongs> PeterM: silk over pads 2015-04-03T17:17:40 < PeterM> is darkwhite soldermask light white silkscreen 1 black silkscreen 2? 2015-04-03T17:17:40 < dongs> left in place 2015-04-03T17:17:50 < PeterM> oh 2015-04-03T17:18:18 < dongs> also, looks like npth holes are painted with mask inside 2015-04-03T17:18:38 < dongs> pretty garbage mask resolution tho 2015-04-03T17:18:48 < dongs> err 2015-04-03T17:18:49 < dongs> registration 2015-04-03T17:19:16 < dongs> apparenetly an UK fab 2015-04-03T17:19:43 < PeterM> oh light white is where there is no copper, \dark white is copper... thats odd, usually because of mask thickness, the area with cpper is lightr or the same with white mask 2015-04-03T17:20:00 < PeterM> and yes, mask down npth, and silk on pads is garbage 2015-04-03T17:20:34 < dongs> zano should use these guys 2015-04-03T17:20:37 < dongs> instead of sending off to china 2015-04-03T17:24:43 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-144.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-03T17:24:50 < ReadError> unless you're actually contributing something (like working code), may I 2015-04-03T17:24:50 < ReadError> politely request you to go fuck yourself, good sir? 2015-04-03T17:24:54 < ReadError> dongs is my hero 2015-04-03T17:25:28 < dongs> im really fucking tired of that drive-by cloning 2015-04-03T17:25:30 < dongs> by those retards 2015-04-03T17:26:09 < PeterM> ReadError, dongs what is that in refrence to? 2015-04-03T17:26:22 < dongs> some dickheads spamming my shitty quadproj 2015-04-03T17:26:39 < superbia> sup 2015-04-03T17:26:50 < PeterM> also, i wonder what fab this guy uses for his boards, tehy looks pretty nice http://blog.komar.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/P1150017.jpg 2015-04-03T17:27:05 < dongs> china 2015-04-03T17:27:10 < dongs> dat steppy silk 2015-04-03T17:27:30 < PeterM> yeah silk looks garbage but enig + matte black 2015-04-03T17:27:33 < ReadError> dongs 2015-04-03T17:27:33 < ReadError> Thanks for that URL as well. It seems this is linked from http://www.dji.com/product/inspire-1/download . Is that where you found it? 2015-04-03T17:27:33 < ReadError> Have you reviewed the user manual, quick start guide, release note, or other documents on that page to see if any of them provide an offer for source code? 2015-04-03T17:27:33 < ReadError> Have you received a DJI Inspire 1 device yourself? If not, do you know someone who has? If so, did it come with any source code or any offer for source code in any of the printed material that accompanied it, or in any included manuals on a CD or similar? 2015-04-03T17:27:33 < ReadError> Thanks for your report! 2015-04-03T17:27:34 < ReadError> Denver Gingerich 2015-04-03T17:27:34 < ReadError> Software Freedom Conservancy (BusyBox's non-profit home) 2015-04-03T17:27:38 < ReadError> im taking down DJI 2015-04-03T17:27:39 < dongs> PeterM: china can do matte black 2015-04-03T17:27:41 < ReadError> GPL style 2015-04-03T17:27:59 < dongs> ive ordred from tehm before in that 2015-04-03T17:28:15 < scrts_w> and the mask price is half the PCB price? 2015-04-03T17:28:20 < dongs> nah 2015-04-03T17:28:24 < PeterM> dongs yeah i use PCBcart for matteblack 2015-04-03T17:28:26 < dongs> it was only a few bucks extra 2015-04-03T17:28:35 < dongs> normal color change is free 2015-04-03T17:28:39 < dongs> still garbage silk tho 2015-04-03T17:28:41 < dongs> so fuckem 2015-04-03T17:28:50 < dongs> plus, i dont wanna ship hundres of kilos of pcbs from china 2015-04-03T17:29:02 < dongs> when you order like 2k boards shit is actually heavy 2015-04-03T17:30:42 < dongs> argh im fixing up this board layout, so much fail on it 2015-04-03T17:31:50 < scrts_w> dongs: where do you assemble your pcbs. 2015-04-03T17:31:51 < scrts_w> ? 2015-04-03T17:31:53 < scrts_w> also china? 2015-04-03T17:31:56 < dongs> no 2015-04-03T17:32:04 < dongs> right next to my desk 2015-04-03T17:40:00 < scrts_w> oh so you have your own pick'n'place machine? :) 2015-04-03T17:40:04 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-03T17:40:17 < dongs> im sure youve seen me in here raging about it 2015-04-03T17:45:08 < scrts_w> emmm no, not really 2015-04-03T17:45:09 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host44-214-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-03T17:45:13 < scrts_w> must be really good :) 2015-04-03T17:47:07 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T17:50:05 < PeterM> scrts_w, he reflows his board in the oven with wifecop isnt makin cookies too; it explains a lot 2015-04-03T17:50:16 < PeterM> when* 2015-04-03T17:51:32 < scrts_w> I've also yesterday tested SFP transceiver laser by shorting some pins with my wifes nail scissors 2015-04-03T17:51:44 < scrts_w> didn't complain at least 2015-04-03T17:57:58 < dongs> https://processing.org/tutorials/electronics/ 2015-04-03T17:58:58 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T17:59:55 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host44-214-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T18:01:45 < dongs> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9090/IMG_2246.jpg 2015-04-03T18:06:37 < englishman> whats taht 2015-04-03T18:06:39 < englishman> a ram card? 2015-04-03T18:06:52 < dongs> intel ssd 2015-04-03T18:07:00 < englishman> neato 2015-04-03T18:07:00 < dongs> 2400meg/sec reads 2015-04-03T18:07:14 < dongs> http://www.anandtech.com/show/9090/intel-ssd-750-pcie-ssd-review-nvme-for-the-client sauce 2015-04-03T18:07:44 < englishman> are pcie broken out to connectors 2015-04-03T18:07:53 < englishman> like usb esata or whatever 2015-04-03T18:09:22 < Laurenceb__> its called thunderbolt 2015-04-03T18:09:39 < englishman> isnt that a mac security vulnerability 2015-04-03T18:09:49 < englishman> thats also a device port used by nothing 2015-04-03T18:09:53 < Laurenceb__> true 2015-04-03T18:10:31 < dongs> thunderdong = displayport 2015-04-03T18:10:35 < dongs> so it is great 2015-04-03T18:10:56 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-04-03T18:12:47 < ReadError> its also a PCI-e plug! 2015-04-03T18:12:52 < ReadError> put that in ur bong stoners 2015-04-03T18:13:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T18:13:19 < zyp> thunderbolt can transport pcie x4 2015-04-03T18:13:37 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-03T18:13:40 < dongs> sup zyp 2015-04-03T18:13:42 < zyp> there's also some other weird nonstandard external pcie shit 2015-04-03T18:13:43 < zyp> sup 2015-04-03T18:13:45 < dongs> did you see my dickstarter update 2015-04-03T18:13:54 < zyp> the mail you sent me? 2015-04-03T18:13:57 < dongs> ya 2015-04-03T18:14:12 < dongs> Precise clock circuits from Cirrus Logic are essential in electronics applications because clock ICs are used to synchronize the components used in professional and consumer audio equipment .and directly improve audio quality. The CS2000 family is unique because it offers both a clock generator feature and clock cleanup in a single clock IC, reducing external components and board space requirements while reducing jitter (noise). 2015-04-03T18:14:16 < zyp> yeah, even forwarded pics to the guys that will be paying 2015-04-03T18:14:21 < dongs> nice 2015-04-03T18:14:29 < zyp> looks nice 2015-04-03T18:14:55 < ReadError> dongs may I have some NDA afroesc schematics 2015-04-03T18:15:01 < dongs> cool 2015-04-03T18:15:03 < dongs> ReadError: afroesc is dead 2015-04-03T18:15:13 < dongs> http://imgur.com/LApTW5K,AAYPRMt 2015-04-03T18:15:17 < dongs> this is teh new nda awesomeness 2015-04-03T18:15:26 < ReadError> yes i just want to use the pinmap 2015-04-03T18:15:30 < ReadError> and not do any work 2015-04-03T18:15:36 < englishman> how many years til theyre out of stock at hk 2015-04-03T18:15:51 < englishman> ReadError: pinmap is in sores 2015-04-03T18:15:55 < dongs> ^ 2015-04-03T18:15:56 < ReadError> yes 2015-04-03T18:16:00 < ReadError> but i like pictures 2015-04-03T18:16:05 < ReadError> and crayons 2015-04-03T18:16:12 < englishman> i have a picture 2015-04-03T18:16:12 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/aifOQYw.gif 2015-04-03T18:16:28 < dongs> is that spin.gif 2015-04-03T18:16:29 < ReadError> i also like cats 2015-04-03T18:16:49 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/CqW2ncu.gif 2015-04-03T18:16:51 < gxti> that SSD is smexy, thinkin about getting one 2015-04-03T18:16:54 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/6ZtOUtT.gif 2015-04-03T18:18:07 < ReadError> dongs y u no help a GPL freedom fighter :( 2015-04-03T18:18:16 < ReadError> im taking down your arch rival 2015-04-03T18:21:08 < PeterM> ReadError its ok just tell us govt that his escs are used in terrist drones, govt will send real drones and n more competition 2015-04-03T18:21:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-03T18:26:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 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it for f7 2015-04-03T19:22:14 < dongs> its not like you actually need qspi for anything 2015-04-03T19:23:03 -!- Theremin [~amir@92-245-198-62.satronet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T19:23:05 < Taxman> no i do not need it, but being able to transfer 4x could improve loading speed, the spi flashes i use support already qspi 2015-04-03T19:23:20 -!- Theremin [~amir@92-245-198-62.satronet.sk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-03T19:23:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T19:23:58 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-03T19:24:26 -!- Theremin [~amir@92-245-198-62.satronet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T19:26:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-03T19:28:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.54.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-03T19:28:49 < Bright> i got my msp432 2015-04-03T19:28:57 < dongs> how shitty is it 2015-04-03T19:28:59 < Rickta59> whoot 2015-04-03T19:29:36 < Rickta59> there is a channel #msp432 if you are interested Bright 2015-04-03T19:29:53 < dongs> is it as dead as msp43x ???? 2015-04-03T19:29:54 < dongs> lol 2015-04-03T19:30:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-03T19:30:03 < Rickta59> no it is an arm with msp430 peripherals 2015-04-03T19:30:14 < dongs> ex tiva ex stellaris 2015-04-03T19:30:20 < dongs> Rickta59: i know what it is 2015-04-03T19:30:21 < Steffanx> msp432 is a trademark you should use ##msp432 :P 2015-04-03T19:30:36 < dongs> ##stoner420 2015-04-03T19:30:37 < Steffanx> as you are not officially related to msp432 2015-04-03T19:30:56 < Steffanx> somewhere deep in the freenode "rules" is something about that # vs ## 2015-04-03T19:31:16 < dongs> that distinction was probably maqde by Lilo before he goe pierced by a giant pink bus shaped like a phallus 2015-04-03T19:31:27 < dongs> while riding his pink bike to his trailer 2015-04-03T19:31:29 < Steffanx> #stm32 still 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kakimir> maybe manager for dma resources 2015-04-04T00:48:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T00:51:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T00:59:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T01:00:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-04T01:03:36 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-04T01:12:59 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@84-73-86-125.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T01:23:52 -!- esmIII [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T01:30:36 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-keriqcfmqyhhghjw] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T01:47:25 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T01:48:33 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-18-144.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 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Steffanx> pro lib kakimir 2015-04-04T02:14:26 < Steffanx> how's it beakying? 2015-04-04T02:17:51 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T02:20:53 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-04T02:29:46 < dongs> sup pros 2015-04-04T02:30:07 < dongs> i see beaky is beaking as usual 2015-04-04T02:30:36 < gxti> sneaky beaky 2015-04-04T02:31:49 < kakimir> hard to be beaky 2015-04-04T02:35:41 < kakimir> but seriously 2015-04-04T02:36:05 < kakimir> how you handle dma resources? just fixed channels and code? 2015-04-04T02:36:34 < kakimir> hard coded 2015-04-04T02:36:39 < kakimir> *wires 2015-04-04T02:36:41 < kakimir> d 2015-04-04T02:44:05 < gxti> ????? 2015-04-04T02:44:44 < gxti> if you can get away with fixed there's no reason not to do it that way. 2015-04-04T02:50:03 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-04T02:50:38 -!- kuldeepdhaka 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maybe i just didn't get enough sleep 2015-04-04T03:14:02 < dongs> nice 2015-04-04T03:14:08 < dongs> scored another RTX810 for $230 2015-04-04T03:14:16 < dongs> less lunix routers = hueg win 2015-04-04T03:15:30 < kakimir> what is that? 2015-04-04T03:15:38 < dongs> google is a godo thing 2015-04-04T03:15:39 < dongs> good, too 2015-04-04T03:15:55 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-04T03:16:56 < kakimir> what is good about it? 2015-04-04T03:17:07 < kakimir> rtx 2015-04-04T03:17:30 < dongs> 1) no lunix 2) actual gbit throughput 3) consistent cli/configuration across all thier devices for the last decade or so 2015-04-04T03:18:54 < qyx_> i would rather get damned cisco than that yamaha trash 2015-04-04T03:19:12 < qyx_> if no lunix was a constraint 2015-04-04T03:19:23 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some standard configuration interface for all network crap 2015-04-04T03:19:29 < qyx_> no 2015-04-04T03:19:36 < qyx_> oh yes, snmp 2015-04-04T03:19:59 < kakimir> every time I have to touch some admin web interface I feel dirty 2015-04-04T03:20:11 < qyx_> i hope you don't buy routers with web interface 2015-04-04T03:20:45 < kakimir> till today every single one 2015-04-04T03:21:16 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-04T03:21:48 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T03:23:20 < dongs> qyx, please show me a gbit throughput damned cisco for <$250 2015-04-04T03:24:02 < dongs> and im not talking the trash they bought off linksys / whatever 2015-04-04T03:24:06 < dongs> cuz thats different class of garbage 2015-04-04T03:24:10 < dongs> and they *all* run lunix 2015-04-04T03:24:24 < gxti> megatrash 2015-04-04T03:24:48 < qyx_> pff, maybe some refurbished 3650 2015-04-04T03:25:03 < dongs> haha 2015-04-04T03:25:07 < kakimir> why japs do not sell their network gear to anyone else? 2015-04-04T03:25:14 -!- Roklobotomy 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dongs> well i do, so it is a legit requirement 2015-04-04T03:28:37 < qyx_> me too, but most of people don't 2015-04-04T03:28:52 < dongs> most people are happy wiht $30 lunix trash from dinksys 2015-04-04T03:28:57 < kakimir> or backend server 2015-04-04T03:29:04 < dongs> i actually saw someone recommending WRT54G in a blog post last year 2015-04-04T03:29:09 < kakimir> for workstation 2015-04-04T03:29:11 < dongs> like w u t 2015-04-04T03:29:29 < qyx_> kakimir: 99% of soho instalations don't have more than one broadcast domain 2015-04-04T03:29:43 < kakimir> what is soho? 2015-04-04T03:29:57 < dongs> google 2015-04-04T03:30:24 < qyx_> small office, home office 2015-04-04T03:30:42 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-04T03:30:59 < dongs> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router/data_sheet_c78-726132.html is this dinksys shit? 2015-04-04T03:31:02 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-04T03:31:36 < englishman> isnt japan on 128k isdn 2015-04-04T03:31:38 < dongs> never mind, its all garbage throughput 2015-04-04T03:31:46 < dongs> 64k 2015-04-04T03:31:51 < englishman> oh right, dual 2015-04-04T03:32:02 < dongs> I have ISDN card for it. 2015-04-04T03:32:42 < kakimir> does some parts of world still use isdn= 2015-04-04T03:36:03 < dongs> yes 2015-04-04T03:36:18 < dongs> I have ISDN in my rack 2015-04-04T03:36:36 < dongs> converting voip to ISDN, then connecting that to a pbx 2015-04-04T03:37:04 < BrainDamage> using lunix? 2015-04-04T03:37:11 < dongs> no, of course not 2015-04-04T03:37:37 < dongs> pbx = hardware 2015-04-04T03:37:52 < dongs> drives key phones 2015-04-04T03:38:07 < BrainDamage> the voièp gateway 2015-04-04T03:38:15 < kakimir> it's just in house? 2015-04-04T03:38:33 < dongs> no, its some RTOS on custom jappo hardware. 2015-04-04T03:38:59 < dongs> voip in, ISDN out 2015-04-04T03:39:04 < dongs> 2 channels of voice 2015-04-04T03:39:07 < kakimir> doesn't sound too good 2015-04-04T03:39:16 < dongs> it works 2015-04-04T03:41:25 < kakimir> is it made by you? 2015-04-04T03:41:34 < dongs> nah 2015-04-04T03:41:55 < dongs> http://www.alexon.co.jp/products/ipgw/via400/via400_spec.html i think its this, or maybe 300SE 2015-04-04T03:41:59 < dongs> too lazy to walk over there to check 2015-04-04T03:45:00 < dongs> er yah its via300 2015-04-04T03:45:05 < dongs> 400 has that useless internets router shit in it 2015-04-04T03:46:26 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-04T03:53:31 < dongs> tombstoning. not if you properly place them and/or properly apply paste 2015-04-04T03:57:31 < kakimir> that's not fun 2015-04-04T04:01:03 < kakimir> next thing it decides to do is to go hang to some other component 2015-04-04T04:19:41 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d426ee.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T04:22:47 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d43981.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-04T04:32:17 -!- 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RIP Nokia 2015-04-04T12:00:48 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T12:06:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.92] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T12:12:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-04T12:20:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T12:37:49 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7bSzroPEuQ 2015-04-04T12:41:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T12:41:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-04T12:41:38 < Tectu> what connectors are you using for your JTAG cable-to-board? 2015-04-04T12:41:40 < Tectu> dongs, zyp ^ 2015-04-04T12:41:57 < dongs> 1.27mm 2x5 stuff 2015-04-04T12:42:08 < Tectu> with DIY cable? 2015-04-04T12:42:14 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf 2015-04-04T12:42:36 < Tectu> wait, did they seriously go word 2010 default template there? 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2015-04-04T12:46:29 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T12:46:39 < specing> BMP? 2015-04-04T12:47:14 < Tectu> specing, http://www.blacksphere.co.nz/main/blackmagic 2015-04-04T12:48:42 < dongs> Tectu: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/FTSH-105-01-L-DV-TR/FTSH-105-01-L-DV-TR-ND/2649983 2015-04-04T12:48:45 < dongs> FTSH series 2015-04-04T12:50:02 < Tectu> dongs, http://ch.farnell.com/samtec/ftsh-105-01-l-dv/stiftleiste-1-27mm-smd-10pol/dp/1667759?ost=FTSH-105-01-L-DV-TR 2015-04-04T12:50:04 < Tectu> awesome, thanks! 2015-04-04T12:50:50 < specing> Tectu: I have no idea 2015-04-04T12:54:24 < Tectu> thanks for being helpful, dongs 2015-04-04T12:55:43 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T12:56:09 < specing> lol, dongs being helpful 2015-04-04T12:56:31 < Fleck> right? :D everyone lols... 2015-04-04T13:04:07 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-146.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T13:05:15 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T13:06:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T13:09:08 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T13:11:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T13:12:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T13:12:54 < Tectu> dongs, the fuck is that 'key' pin? 2015-04-04T13:12:59 < Tectu> and 'gnd detect' 2015-04-04T13:14:12 < dongs> key = NC 2015-04-04T13:15:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/A0rTlOd.png 2015-04-04T13:16:00 < Tectu> dongs, https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/resources/ARM-JTAG-20-10.png 2015-04-04T13:16:22 < Tectu> dongs, key is GND in your schematics 2015-04-04T13:16:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-04T13:16:44 < dongs> it doesnt matter 2015-04-04T13:16:47 < GargantuaSauce> it's usually supposed to be missing outright, but fuck that 2015-04-04T13:16:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T13:16:52 < dongs> ^ 2015-04-04T13:16:59 < Tectu> what is it meant to be used for? 2015-04-04T13:17:01 < Tectu> or was 2015-04-04T13:17:03 < dongs> nothing 2015-04-04T13:17:17 < dongs> 8 is NC on mine because thats TDI that im not using 2015-04-04T13:17:20 < dongs> not because its key 2015-04-04T13:17:26 < Tectu> ok 2015-04-04T13:17:27 < dongs> i just ground everything else on the connector 2015-04-04T13:17:37 < Tectu> so I'll do the same 2015-04-04T13:18:58 < Tectu> dongs, http://screencast.com/t/wco2DH2gKL 2015-04-04T13:19:06 < dongs> screenscat 2015-04-04T13:19:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-04T13:19:15 < dongs> that looks like kikecad 2015-04-04T13:19:20 < Tectu> yep 2015-04-04T13:19:23 < dongs> i only use SWD 2015-04-04T13:19:27 < dongs> so i dont care waht the jtag pin names are 2015-04-04T13:19:45 < Tectu> time to find SWD to JTAG translations then 2015-04-04T13:19:55 < dongs> they're in my screenshotp 2015-04-04T13:20:01 < Tectu> yep 2015-04-04T13:22:22 < Tectu> done 2015-04-04T13:28:48 < Tectu> cu folks 2015-04-04T13:28:52 < dongs> ;eecjer 2015-04-04T13:28:54 < dongs> er 2015-04-04T13:28:55 < dongs> leecher 2015-04-04T13:29:00 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T13:31:52 < dongs> BBQ 2015-04-04T13:32:18 < PeterM> dongs bbq. weiners 2015-04-04T13:34:05 < dongs> wahts he difference between beagleboner and beagleboner rev C 2015-04-04T13:34:06 < dongs> its $1 more 2015-04-04T13:34:08 < dongs> er R10 2015-04-04T13:34:09 < dongs> R1 2015-04-04T13:34:11 < dongs> $ fuck 2015-04-04T13:34:33 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12076 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12857 2015-04-04T13:34:52 < dongs> o, 4gb nand 2015-04-04T13:36:58 < GargantuaSauce> allegedly rev B was priced with no margin at all 2015-04-04T13:44:42 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2015-04-04T13:53:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-04T14:00:18 < Getty> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/ And I thought I can trust the Barracuda.... 2015-04-04T14:08:40 < dongs> lol shittachi 2015-04-04T14:08:43 < dongs> garbage 2015-04-04T14:09:14 < dongs> i gotta build my new raidbox :( 2015-04-04T14:09:24 < dongs> got 16 4T toshiba drives and new card sitting doing nothing 2015-04-04T14:09:27 < dongs> no time 2015-04-04T14:12:01 < superbia> R2COM (~blackops@c-24-60-57-105.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit 2015-04-04T14:12:09 < Getty> yeah the 4TBs are already so outdated ;) 2015-04-04T14:12:42 < Getty> but hey, i can give you hope, i am now finally using the SSD i bought 2 years ago, so..... ;-) 2015-04-04T14:12:50 < dongs> i have liek 3 4U's full of 2TB shite, so i need to get rid of tehm 2015-04-04T14:13:54 < ReadError> you arent going to ruin it by using windows, are you?? 2015-04-04T14:14:46 < dongs> i AM using windows. 2015-04-04T14:17:58 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T14:20:14 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-04T14:29:13 < PeterM> Getty surely for failure rates that bad for the seagates there should be an investigation 2015-04-04T14:35:22 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-100-219.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T14:37:29 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-69-221.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-04T14:38:18 < Getty> i doubt... the last year seagate had a lot of those negative reports and they dont disappear 2015-04-04T14:41:56 < PeterM> you'd trhink that would be more reason for an investigation... 2015-04-04T14:55:54 -!- MrCircuitMatt [~max@84-73-86-125.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T15:00:04 < dongs> i dont think they really give a fuck 2015-04-04T15:01:29 < Getty> it is sad.... but the fact is: the overall return rate is relevat, and even at this provider probably not all went back, some probably might be just "written off" and replaced with bigger ones 2015-04-04T15:01:31 < PeterM> i would if i had to honor warrenty 2015-04-04T15:03:11 < Getty> well if in the end you make +++ money, then who cares? 2015-04-04T15:03:12 < dongs> any idea if using something like a fcc-certified USB wifi dongle inside a product i need to re-certify it? 2015-04-04T15:03:23 < Getty> dongs: for sure 2015-04-04T15:03:48 < PeterM> only if it comes pre-installed 2015-04-04T15:03:55 < dongs> PeterM: it does 2015-04-04T15:04:08 < dongs> as in, i put a USB-A socket on pcb 2015-04-04T15:04:09 < dongs> and plug shit in. 2015-04-04T15:06:06 < PeterM> if you dont plug the plug in you dont have to btu if you do plug it in, you do have to certify it 2015-04-04T15:06:15 < dongs> sucks 2015-04-04T15:09:25 < qyx_> http://goodfuckingdesignadvice.com 2015-04-04T15:09:26 < qyx_> lol 2015-04-04T15:09:29 < qyx_> probably old 2015-04-04T15:19:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-04T15:33:33 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-100-219.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-04T15:42:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T15:43:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-04T15:44:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T15:48:36 -!- green1 [~guest@unaffiliated/green1] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T15:49:11 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-04T15:55:00 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T16:04:57 < Laurenceb__> uh oh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32180744 2015-04-04T16:05:11 < Laurenceb__> well thats the election lost for them 2015-04-04T16:05:29 * Laurenceb__ predicts pr0n riots 2015-04-04T16:08:01 < Steffanx> so soon you have to use some ID check online? 2015-04-04T16:08:03 < Steffanx> Creepy 2015-04-04T16:08:31 < karlp> but they keep voting against national id cards.... 2015-04-04T16:08:59 < Laurenceb__> muh pronzdoms 2015-04-04T16:11:06 < Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_identity_card 2015-04-04T16:11:19 < Laurenceb__> "adding digital signatures into LibreOffice ODF documents " lulwut 2015-04-04T16:11:44 < Laurenceb__> "Libre"Office 2015-04-04T16:20:11 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T16:21:08 < karlp> heh, so when customs held my non-ce marked wireless router, and shipped it back, and aliexpress has refunded me, 2015-04-04T16:21:32 < karlp> I've actually make ~1eur on the currency fluctuations :) 2015-04-04T16:23:11 < PeterM> lolnice 2015-04-04T16:23:53 < scummos> hm? libreoffice is the most used free office thingie overall .. 2015-04-04T16:24:27 < PeterM> how does it compare to pirated copies of microsoft office in useage numbers? 2015-04-04T16:24:30 < superbia> yea.. try caliagra 2015-04-04T16:24:45 < superbia> they have Krita.. which is godlike "photoshop" 2015-04-04T16:24:59 < scummos> calligra is nice as a concept but except for krita I don't see any of it used for serious work 2015-04-04T16:25:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T16:25:27 < scummos> which is not surprising considering krita has like three times the development effort like the rest of the suite combined 2015-04-04T16:26:02 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-146.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-04T16:26:21 < scummos> PeterM: probably not even that badly 2015-04-04T16:27:50 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T16:30:08 < _Sync_> never even heard about krita 2015-04-04T16:31:21 < scummos> it's a painting application, so unless you at some point had to do something with painting it is unlikely that you hear about it 2015-04-04T16:32:30 -!- green1 [~guest@unaffiliated/green1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T16:35:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-04T16:38:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T16:44:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T16:44:24 < PeterM> scummos, how about comapredto mobile office apps, like wps/kingsoft office and polaris office? 2015-04-04T16:44:37 < PeterM> theye'd have massive numbers 2015-04-04T16:44:50 < scummos> no idea about mobile office stuff, I don't see why anyone would want to use that except as a viewer 2015-04-04T16:45:38 < scummos> I'm not much of a mobile person 2015-04-04T16:47:02 < PeterM> its great for stuff like copy of bom with you while assembling and the like 2015-04-04T16:47:29 < superbia> well you can paint, you have layers, and you have effects 2015-04-04T16:48:34 < scummos> well yes, but krita is not really useful if you don't have a graphics tablet 2015-04-04T16:48:52 < scummos> no sane person would use it for photo editing or so ... unlike photoshop :) 2015-04-04T16:49:31 < superbia> most photoshop users are INsane 2015-04-04T16:49:46 < superbia> as are most people anyway 2015-04-04T16:50:17 < scummos> heh yes 2015-04-04T16:56:14 < Steffanx> what some people can do with photoshop is INsane.. 2015-04-04T16:59:52 < Steffanx> i mean such cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6CmaPZnzQ 2015-04-04T17:02:15 < scummos> for such things credits usually should be given to the people doing it, not to the software 2015-04-04T17:02:38 < scummos> some people create incredible art with MS paint 2015-04-04T17:02:40 < Steffanx> for sure, yes. 2015-04-04T17:03:03 < Steffanx> but those people are insane :P 2015-04-04T17:22:35 < dongs> sup bloggers 2015-04-04T17:23:30 < dongs> < superbia> they have Krita.. which is godlike "photoshop" 2015-04-04T17:23:31 < dongs> hahahaha 2015-04-04T17:23:36 < dongs> KDE app, godline? 2015-04-04T17:23:39 < dongs> *like 2015-04-04T17:23:48 < dongs> it probably has more bugs than every piece of windows software combined 2015-04-04T17:23:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T17:23:51 < dongs> in a single app 2015-04-04T17:25:30 < superbia> you are right there 2015-04-04T17:25:45 < superbia> windows is a one bug 2015-04-04T17:25:51 < superbia> while krita has many bugs indeed 2015-04-04T17:27:58 < scummos> krita doesn't have that many bugs really nowadays ... you can usually work with it for hours without anything going wrong 2015-04-04T17:28:37 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-04T17:30:00 < superbia> it also has "PRO" look https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/lutdocker.png 2015-04-04T17:30:41 < dongs> awful 2015-04-04T17:31:02 < scummos> did any of you actually use the application 2015-04-04T17:31:25 < dongs> its a fucking KDE app, waht do you think? 2015-04-04T17:31:37 < dongs> i dont use linsux 2015-04-04T17:32:03 < scummos> krita works on windows as well. anyways, I don't see the point in ranting about an application you never used ;p 2015-04-04T17:32:21 < scummos> but if it's fun to you, go ahead 2015-04-04T17:33:49 < superbia> Wings 3D is written in Erlang, an open source, functional programming language distributed by Ericsson. 2015-04-04T17:34:04 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T17:36:06 < PeterM> ericsson still exist? 2015-04-04T17:36:21 < dongs> last i looked at wings 3d 2015-04-04T17:36:24 < dongs> it lacked basic shit 2015-04-04T17:36:26 < dongs> like boolean ops 2015-04-04T17:36:29 < dongs> so wtf 2015-04-04T17:37:11 < Fleck> [17:25:45] windows is a one bug << +1 superbia! :D 2015-04-04T17:38:14 < dongs> keep mocking 2015-04-04T17:38:24 < dongs> windows is the only OS that moves forward every year 2015-04-04T17:38:30 < dongs> lunix trash takes a couple steps back 2015-04-04T17:38:37 < Fleck> moves deeper in shit? :D ok 2015-04-04T17:38:45 < dongs> ur so funny 2015-04-04T17:38:45 < superbia> +1 Fleck 2015-04-04T17:42:06 < PeterM> how many copies does lunix sell every year? 2015-04-04T17:43:15 < Steffanx> mr lunix only sell shits.. 2015-04-04T17:43:49 < superbia> arguments, what is shit? 2015-04-04T17:43:56 < Steffanx> his talk. 2015-04-04T17:44:11 < superbia> linus torvalds talk is shit? 2015-04-04T17:44:27 < Steffanx> sometimes, yes 2015-04-04T17:44:32 < superbia> that is very mature observation why not to use linux 2015-04-04T17:44:41 < Steffanx> i never said THAT 2015-04-04T17:45:02 < Fleck> Steffanx: well, come on, 99% talk in this chan is shit, now what? 2015-04-04T17:45:56 < dongs> < PeterM> how many copies does lunix sell every year? 2015-04-04T17:46:00 < dongs> zero, cuz its free as in aids 2015-04-04T17:46:08 < dongs> they give that shit away and people dont want it. 2015-04-04T17:46:16 < Steffanx> yeah, i know, but still... Fleck 2015-04-04T17:46:20 < PeterM> sells zero? i guess it is worthless then 2015-04-04T17:46:34 < _Sync_> lurl 2015-04-04T17:46:45 < superbia> yep only facebook and google, and other major datacenters got lobbied into using it 2015-04-04T17:47:10 < Fleck> thanks God they don't use wincrap :DD 2015-04-04T17:47:13 < Steffanx> nah, real pros do freebsd 2015-04-04T17:47:54 < scummos> there are enough copies sold of e.g. redhat linux or suse 2015-04-04T17:48:39 < PeterM> why buy when its free though? lol notr smart 2015-04-04T17:49:12 < Steffanx> my copy on windows was free too 2015-04-04T17:49:22 < Steffanx> *of 2015-04-04T17:49:33 < PeterM> real pros just sit on irc and talk shit all day. 2015-04-04T17:50:01 < Steffanx> welcome to the internet. 2015-04-04T17:50:39 < dongs> youre saying that like its a bad thing 2015-04-04T17:50:41 < Steffanx> How is one supposed to be serious in a "discussion" about lunix with mr dongs? 2015-04-04T17:50:58 < PeterM> saying what like its a bad thing? are you implying im not a real pro? 2015-04-04T17:53:03 < dongs> super pro 2015-04-04T17:53:56 < PeterM> not as pro as dongs. he talks so much shit he uses it to fertalize teh rice next door 2015-04-04T17:54:19 < dongs> ir lol'd 2015-04-04T17:55:53 < Steffanx> :D" 2015-04-04T17:55:59 < scummos> serious discussion about linux? that does not exist 2015-04-04T17:56:01 < scummos> never existed 2015-04-04T17:57:46 < PeterM> how can you have a serious discussion about something as trivial as loonux 2015-04-04T17:58:36 < Steffanx> some people can be quite serious when they discuss lunix related things like systemd. 2015-04-04T17:59:00 < scummos> ahahah 2015-04-04T18:01:05 < superbia> will have to leave chanel (brain hurts when surounded by smart people) 2015-04-04T18:01:22 < Getty> just go to #php, that can help then 2015-04-04T18:01:33 < Steffanx> I'll ask ranewen to take care of you superbia 2015-04-04T18:01:47 < superbia> so much knowladge here Steffanx i cant take it 2015-04-04T18:02:08 < Steffanx> you dont want to learn? 2015-04-04T18:02:52 < Getty> some people have pain when they learn..... how else you explain so many stupid morons? 2015-04-04T18:03:08 < Steffanx> You should move to dutchland to go to some dutch uni superbia 2015-04-04T18:03:12 < Steffanx> many romanians do that 2015-04-04T18:03:25 < superbia> yes study industrial design 2015-04-04T18:04:13 < superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu4bMR2UEmw 2015-04-04T18:05:29 < Steffanx> no sound here 2015-04-04T18:06:01 < superbia> not porn, parents can hear this 2015-04-04T18:06:10 < superbia> sfw 2015-04-04T18:06:35 < Steffanx> im on a semi-public location. 2015-04-04T18:09:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T18:12:26 < superbia> Steffanx: airport? 2015-04-04T18:12:29 < superbia> https://www.flickr.com/photos/9704498@N05/3383841393/ ? 2015-04-04T18:21:09 < Steffanx> fake.. its a lunix screensaver 2015-04-04T18:29:03 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T18:32:10 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-04T18:33:04 -!- superbia1 is now known as superbia 2015-04-04T18:39:22 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-04T18:41:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T18:48:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T18:59:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-04T19:01:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T19:12:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.129] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T19:30:50 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-04T19:41:41 < Laurenceb__> anyone know how i can work out what "TrendCom.exe" does? 2015-04-04T19:41:59 < Laurenceb__> someone have a database of weird windows shits? 2015-04-04T19:42:17 < karlp> fucking old avr board isn't responding to avrdude. 2015-04-04T19:42:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T19:47:27 < karlp> fucking bullllshit 2015-04-04T19:47:34 < karlp> works in a hub port, not plugged in directly. 2015-04-04T19:52:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T19:53:12 < qyx_> did you try lowering the clock speed? 2015-04-04T19:54:02 < Steffanx> avrdude, such a wonderful tool 2015-04-04T19:54:09 < superbia> Laurenceb__: open it in virtualbox 2015-04-04T19:54:09 < qyx_> the hub may insert additional delays if bitbanging some ft232xx 2015-04-04T19:54:20 < karlp> Steffanx: probably actually the usbtiny device being a shitty bitbanged usb device really actually :) 2015-04-04T19:54:52 < Steffanx> i remember the source of avrdude was/is quite messy. 2015-04-04T19:55:03 < qyx_> wut, which programmer? 2015-04-04T19:55:18 < qyx_> does -B 10 option help? 2015-04-04T19:55:42 < karlp> qyx_: nope, I'm used to things like -B 10000, it was not getting a proper connection to the programmer itself, 2015-04-04T19:55:45 < karlp> https://learn.adafruit.com/usbtinyisp 2015-04-04T19:56:06 < karlp> the target is now reprogrammed, worked around my xbee config bugs, have clean standard 802.15.4 without digimesh headers now. 2015-04-04T19:56:10 < karlp> should have done this years ago 2015-04-04T19:57:34 < qyx_> meh those usb bitbanged things 2015-04-04T19:57:38 < qyx_> i would ban them worldwide 2015-04-04T19:59:04 < Steffanx> it's like the only avr based option you had back in those times. 2015-04-04T19:59:20 < Steffanx> unless you went with some external usb stuff 2015-04-04T19:59:34 < superbia> avr studio is not free anymore :C 2015-04-04T20:00:18 < Steffanx> its not? 2015-04-04T20:01:00 < superbia> no. 2015-04-04T20:01:16 < superbia> i wanted to download it while im still on fast internet.. 2015-04-04T20:01:46 < Steffanx> it really costs 2.19$ ?! 2015-04-04T20:01:52 < effractur> wow 2015-04-04T20:02:09 < karlp> wtf?! 2015-04-04T20:02:24 < effractur> yes 2.19 dollar 2015-04-04T20:02:32 < Steffanx> http://www.atmel.com/tools/atmelstudio.aspx?tab=overview .. there are still downloads though 2015-04-04T20:02:53 < effractur> the dvd is 12.19 2015-04-04T20:02:56 < qyx_> they are in a pro realm now 2015-04-04T20:02:57 < effractur> 2.19* 2015-04-04T20:02:58 < qyx_> payware 2015-04-04T20:03:06 < effractur> the download is still free it seems 2015-04-04T20:03:39 < Steffanx> that seems reasonable.. when you want a dvd 2015-04-04T20:05:22 < superbia> they must have propper mcus now 2015-04-04T20:05:41 < superbia> to compete with others 2015-04-04T20:05:49 < Steffanx> their new cortex-m7 doesnt look that bad 2015-04-04T20:15:49 < Laurenceb__> faster than F7 2015-04-04T20:21:28 < superbia> f7? 2015-04-04T20:26:41 < Laurenceb__> stm32f7 2015-04-04T20:27:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T20:30:06 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T20:32:44 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-04T20:38:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-04T20:39:40 < Laurenceb__> heh Bascom AVr has TCP/IP 2015-04-04T20:39:50 < Laurenceb__> who needs LwIP 2015-04-04T20:41:09 < superbia> it exists y 2015-04-04T20:41:35 < Laurenceb__> i have a license somewhere... 2015-04-04T20:41:49 < Steffanx> bascom D: 2015-04-04T20:43:17 < Laurenceb__> im so ashamed 2015-04-04T20:43:24 < Steffanx> " TCP/IP with W3100A/W5100/W5200/W5300 chips." <= ?? 2015-04-04T20:44:47 < Laurenceb__> uh oh 2015-04-04T20:44:48 < Laurenceb__> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:mihab:mihab_1 2015-04-04T20:44:56 < Laurenceb__> my codez are still online 2015-04-04T20:45:42 < Laurenceb__> how embarrassing 2015-04-04T20:52:10 < Steffanx> heh 2015-04-04T20:52:17 < Steffanx> such vars 2015-04-04T20:52:20 < Steffanx> and Eighttoseven :D 2015-04-04T20:52:43 < Getty> Laurenceb__: i dont know how someone would write not embarrasing Bascom code 2015-04-04T20:53:02 < Laurenceb__> oh shit 2015-04-04T20:53:11 < Laurenceb__> if you run that code it will text my phonwe 2015-04-04T20:53:13 < Laurenceb__> oops 2015-04-04T20:53:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T20:53:43 < Steffanx> haha 2015-04-04T20:57:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.193] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T21:04:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-04T21:06:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.193] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T21:07:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T21:09:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.193] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-04T21:11:38 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T21:17:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T21:20:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T21:21:09 -!- DanteA [~X@host-36-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-04T21:21:56 < Laurenceb__> http://www.inmarket.com.au/ 2015-04-04T21:21:57 < Laurenceb__> lolz 2015-04-04T21:24:04 -!- DanteA [~X@host-100-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T21:26:38 < Steffanx> ugfx&co 2015-04-04T21:29:54 < qyx_> too much research on ant-based routing topics and no awesome results so far :S 2015-04-04T22:19:38 < superbia> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/02/smart_meters_explode_in_consumers_homes/ 2015-04-04T22:21:13 < GargantuaSauce> man that would blow. 11kV across everything in your house 2015-04-04T22:26:30 < Steffanx> I'm glad we have almost everything in the ground. So it's very unlikely a high voltage line will touch a lower voltage line. 2015-04-04T22:30:32 < Laurenceb__> is there a way to diff two files that are misaligned? 2015-04-04T22:30:53 < Laurenceb__> i have two csv files, one has lines of junk that have been inserted 2015-04-04T22:31:00 < Laurenceb__> i want to find where the lines of junk are 2015-04-04T22:31:19 < superbia> http://www.electrical-contractor.net/forum/el/gfretwell_xfrmr.jpg 2015-04-04T22:32:40 < Steffanx> isn't int nice superbia? 2015-04-04T22:32:57 < superbia> learn to type 2015-04-04T22:33:28 < Steffanx> i'll learn myself to write /ignore superbia 2015-04-04T22:33:34 < Steffanx> *teach 2015-04-04T22:33:51 < qyx_> Laurenceb__: diff -Naur 2015-04-04T22:34:03 < Laurenceb__> ok 2015-04-04T22:34:04 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-04-04T22:34:05 < Laurenceb__> arg 2015-04-04T22:34:19 < Laurenceb__> its not so simple, i only want to diff the first column of csv 2015-04-04T22:35:37 < qyx_> so prepend cut -d "," -f 1 2015-04-04T22:35:59 < qyx_> but you will lose the rest 2015-04-04T22:44:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-04T22:46:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T22:58:42 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T23:08:19 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@55d40ef1.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T23:10:15 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d426ee.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-04T23:11:26 < upgrdman> i think this pc got hot http://i.imgur.com/Oa2andU.jpg 2015-04-04T23:11:31 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-04T23:13:18 < Steffanx> wtf am i looking at upgrdman? 2015-04-04T23:15:30 < GargantuaSauce> this is why you shouldn't download the necronomicon 2015-04-04T23:16:48 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T23:21:01 < Laurenceb__> someone poured PU resin into it? 2015-04-04T23:21:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-04T23:21:33 < superbia> think someone tried to install linux on it 2015-04-04T23:21:48 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/04/frustrated_magnets_hall_effect/ 2015-04-04T23:21:51 < Laurenceb__> dat dead bug 2015-04-04T23:32:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-04T23:32:31 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T23:35:13 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host44-214-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-04T23:40:07 < upgrdman> Steffanx, was from http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/31g5i3/i_think_this_computer_may_have_an_infection/ 2015-04-04T23:43:38 < Laurenceb__> http://www.amazon.com/Billionaire-Dinosaur-Forced-Me-Gay-ebook/dp/B00MCVVH6G 2015-04-04T23:47:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-04T23:55:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T23:56:42 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host42-227-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-04T23:56:49 < Steffanx> oh it's raspberry pie upgrdman .. 2015-04-04T23:57:08 < upgrdman> :) --- Day changed Sun Apr 05 2015 2015-04-05T00:20:40 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-05T00:32:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T00:36:35 < Getty> there..... there it is..... the zano switch: http://9gag.com/gag/aRPMy3q 2015-04-05T00:37:53 < dongs> sup raspberrypi users 2015-04-05T00:43:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-05T00:44:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.65] has quit [] 2015-04-05T00:46:34 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-05T01:13:39 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-05T01:15:15 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T01:17:52 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:4809:9c2f:ddbe:9aa0] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T01:18:27 < efuentes> hey all 2015-04-05T01:18:38 < efuentes> I'm making a carrier board for an HC-05 2015-04-05T01:18:59 < efuentes> I'm guessing I can't put copper under the test point on the bottom 2015-04-05T01:19:05 < efuentes> is that correct? 2015-04-05T01:19:19 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-05T01:21:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T01:26:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-05T02:01:48 < upgrdman> efuentes, carrier board is a breakout? 2015-04-05T02:01:57 < efuentes> yup 2015-04-05T02:02:06 < efuentes> http://www.dx.com/p/wireless-bluetooth-rs232-ttl-transceiver-module-80711#.VSBseBPF-Hw 2015-04-05T02:02:13 < efuentes> if you look at the second picture, 2015-04-05T02:02:19 < efuentes> there is some exposed copper on the botton 2015-04-05T02:02:21 < efuentes> bottom* 2015-04-05T02:02:40 < upgrdman> i wouldnt evne both with anything below the module 2015-04-05T02:02:47 < upgrdman> i did this ugly one: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic3.jpg 2015-04-05T02:04:48 < upgrdman> also you can buy those hc05 board on ebay for cheaper. i think i got a 2-pack for $9 shipped to usa. 2015-04-05T02:05:02 < efuentes> yeah 2015-04-05T02:05:10 < efuentes> I'm working with a friend who laid out the board 2015-04-05T02:05:53 < efuentes> http://imgur.com/nkPDCZl 2015-04-05T02:06:06 < efuentes> he's got a copper fill 2015-04-05T02:06:15 < efuentes> and traces around that test point 2015-04-05T02:06:24 < upgrdman> oh, that's more than just a breakout board 2015-04-05T02:06:29 < upgrdman> just use soldermask 2015-04-05T02:06:48 < upgrdman> like this 2015-04-05T02:06:49 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic4.jpg 2015-04-05T02:06:51 < efuentes> you don't think it will couple into ground plane? 2015-04-05T02:07:07 < upgrdman> shouldnt couple enough to make a problem 2015-04-05T02:07:28 < TheSeven> hm, is anyone aware of a complete list of existing NRF24L01 clones, and how to use them? 2015-04-05T02:07:47 < efuentes> is that your board? 2015-04-05T02:07:52 < upgrdman> yes 2015-04-05T02:08:01 < efuentes> are you measuring there? 2015-04-05T02:08:07 < efuentes> power and ground? 2015-04-05T02:08:26 < efuentes> oh wait 2015-04-05T02:08:31 < efuentes> that's just a power supply 2015-04-05T02:08:35 < upgrdman> ya 2015-04-05T02:09:03 < efuentes> hmm 2015-04-05T02:09:10 < efuentes> and you haven't had any issues? 2015-04-05T02:09:22 < upgrdman> none 2015-04-05T02:09:29 < efuentes> hmm alright 2015-04-05T02:09:36 < efuentes> that makes me feel a little better 2015-04-05T02:09:48 < efuentes> I just didn't want to drop a couple hundred and run in to issues 2015-04-05T02:10:00 < efuentes> thanks man 2015-04-05T02:10:54 < TheSeven> one kind of non-working NRF modules left... and I just don't get what's wrong with them 2015-04-05T02:11:29 < TheSeven> tx fifo full, yet it's not sending anything (and not claiming to have sent anything either) 2015-04-05T02:11:48 < TheSeven> the register contents suggest that it might be a beken bk2423 chip 2015-04-05T02:13:57 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-222-63.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T02:16:39 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T02:17:42 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T02:19:31 < efuentes> upgrdman, I was taking a look at your website 2015-04-05T02:19:40 < efuentes> the boards you've made looks really good 2015-04-05T02:19:44 < kakimir> why you guys never do ground fills? 2015-04-05T02:19:45 < efuentes> where did you learn to etch? 2015-04-05T02:19:48 < upgrdman> thanks 2015-04-05T02:19:58 < upgrdman> kakimir, i do. look at my other pix 2015-04-05T02:20:01 < efuentes> ground fills for what? 2015-04-05T02:20:10 < upgrdman> but for a pure breakout, no need to fill 2015-04-05T02:20:12 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-05T02:20:14 < kakimir> for principle 2015-04-05T02:20:24 < efuentes> I do fill 2015-04-05T02:20:31 < upgrdman> efuentes, i wathched the youtube vids 2015-04-05T02:20:37 < efuentes> I just hadn't clicked the rats nest 2015-04-05T02:20:46 < upgrdman> coinsidentally... i just made a video on how i make my boards 2015-04-05T02:20:52 < upgrdman> part 1 of 2 is here: 2015-04-05T02:21:06 < efuentes> do any fumes get created? 2015-04-05T02:21:13 < efuentes> trying to figure out if I can do it at home 2015-04-05T02:21:17 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86G8uma-TD8 2015-04-05T02:21:17 < efuentes> or if I should do it in lab 2015-04-05T02:21:20 < efuentes> where they have a fume hood 2015-04-05T02:21:38 < upgrdman> part 2 is waiting for some solder mask film to arrive, will be posted in a few days 2015-04-05T02:21:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T02:21:56 < efuentes> awesome :) 2015-04-05T02:41:10 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:4809:9c2f:ddbe:9aa0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-05T02:41:33 < kakimir> basically need of ground filling in basic mcu boards - questionable 2015-04-05T02:43:45 < upgrdman> using any capacitors on basic mcu boards is also not strictly necessary ;) 2015-04-05T02:44:35 < specing> I feel so chinese, I just copy&paste schematics 2015-04-05T02:45:06 < upgrdman> i often don't even bother to make a schematic for boards with <100 pads 2015-04-05T02:45:45 < upgrdman> there's no schematic for that board i linked to earlier. 2015-04-05T02:49:34 < specing> well... I am a computer scientist by education, not an electrical engineer 2015-04-05T02:50:19 < specing> R2COM: the multiple drivers one? 2015-04-05T02:50:34 < specing> (I don't think it was a question) 2015-04-05T03:13:43 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host42-227-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-05T03:14:38 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host42-227-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T03:22:13 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-05T03:25:19 < kakimir> using of supply lines is not necessity 2015-04-05T03:33:11 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-05T03:51:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T04:09:10 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@55d43b28.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T04:10:11 -!- dekar__ 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2015-04-05T10:35:19 < Fleck> :D 2015-04-05T10:35:25 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-222-63.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-05T10:38:52 < upgrdman> nice front yard http://imgur.com/a/nnjBA 2015-04-05T10:40:13 < dongs> http://indiegogo.com/projects/usb-slayer/ loool 2015-04-05T10:40:20 < dongs> remember when we found this and there was no sores 2015-04-05T10:47:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T10:49:45 < PeterM> $19 ea, id say thats worth it 2015-04-05T10:52:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-05T10:55:40 < dongs> p-chanel 2015-04-05T10:56:40 < upgrdman> they sould make one with a metal case that shocks the fuck out of the user for being so dumb 2015-04-05T10:57:30 < upgrdman> "let's just plug this in here..." "GOD, FUCK! WHAT THE HELL!" 2015-04-05T11:04:10 < PeterM> but stick the usb plug case at the other polarity to the usb socket/chassis ground, so if its resting on their lap, the shock goes throug their entire body 2015-04-05T11:05:07 < Getty> they directly offer the "school class room" set 2015-04-05T11:12:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T11:13:04 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T11:16:37 < PeterM> hmm... flexible funding 2015-04-05T11:16:40 < PeterM> might pick one upo 2015-04-05T11:16:45 < PeterM> i wonder how much shipping is 2015-04-05T11:16:59 < Getty> i wouldn't want one of those in my house 2015-04-05T11:17:10 < Getty> actually i think a detector would make a good 2nd stage product here 2015-04-05T11:17:19 < dongs> haha 2015-04-05T11:17:22 < dongs> a dummy usb port 2015-04-05T11:17:26 < Getty> lol 2015-04-05T11:17:28 < dongs> with a "warning, this thing my fry your shit" 2015-04-05T11:17:32 < Getty> that actually kills the killer??? 2015-04-05T11:17:34 < dongs> my=might 2015-04-05T11:17:52 < Getty> that would be funny... the anti killer port, where you put in this killer and it explodes without doing any harm outside 2015-04-05T11:18:00 < Getty> aehm inside 2015-04-05T11:18:04 < superbia> wat are we talking about 2015-04-05T11:18:11 < Getty> usb killerthing 2015-04-05T11:18:16 < Getty> http://indiegogo.com/projects/usb-slayer/ 2015-04-05T11:18:19 < dongs> clones 2015-04-05T11:18:20 < PeterM> nah i think the inverse of this would be cool - a usb hub thing that cooks anythign you plug into it 2015-04-05T11:18:28 < dongs> haha 2015-04-05T11:18:37 < Getty> PeterM: you can use cheap USB network adapter for this 2015-04-05T11:18:39 < Getty> ;-)))) 2015-04-05T11:18:52 < superbia> The page did not load correctly or in a reasonable time. Sorry for the inconvenience but please try restarting your browser and loading the page again. 2015-04-05T11:19:01 < dongs> stop using lunix 2015-04-05T11:19:02 < PeterM> just plug it in to a colleagues computer or the usb port on a library printer or something 2015-04-05T11:19:37 < superbia> If you continue to receive this message, please notify support@indiegogo.com. 2015-04-05T11:19:39 < PeterM> i thyink the usb slayer *+ a usb otg cable would be awesome 2015-04-05T11:19:54 < PeterM> cookin' phones 2015-04-05T11:22:15 < dongs> my pal manually did this to aphone he didnt like 2015-04-05T11:22:18 < dongs> and wanted to return 2015-04-05T11:23:30 < PeterM> oh,m i just thought it'd be nice to walk into an apple store and cook the display units and walk out 2015-04-05T11:26:48 -!- Theremin [~amir@92-245-198-62.satronet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-05T11:28:04 < upgrdman> this is why we can't have nice things. 2015-04-05T11:28:20 < dongs> wahts nice about apple things 2015-04-05T11:28:50 < upgrdman> displays 2015-04-05T11:28:57 < upgrdman> and battery life 2015-04-05T11:29:05 < upgrdman> that's about it 2015-04-05T11:29:31 < jpa-> and they sometimes work 2015-04-05T11:29:50 -!- Theremin [~amir@92-245-198-62.satronet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T11:31:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T11:34:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-05T11:41:47 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T11:42:50 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-05T11:43:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-05T11:45:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T11:46:16 < ReadError> I wish they made those f0s in a small qfn package 2015-04-05T11:48:25 -!- DanteA [~X@host-100-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-05T11:59:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T12:04:44 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjfdtlzfwntbiyhz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-05T12:06:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-05T12:11:36 < PeterM> ReadError, or even a 4x5bga 2015-04-05T12:12:29 < ReadError> why dont they? 2015-04-05T12:20:41 < upgrdman> guessing the customers who demand smaller packages are expected to pay for the not-bottom-of-the-line mcu? 2015-04-05T12:21:10 < ReadError> yes but they dont sell anything in a super small package do they ? 2015-04-05T12:23:03 < upgrdman> not for the cheapest f0 2015-04-05T12:23:13 < upgrdman> i only see those in lqfp and tssop 2015-04-05T12:24:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T12:44:19 < GargantuaSauce> arent chipscale packages generally more expensive 2015-04-05T12:44:58 < GargantuaSauce> different packaging processes, bonding, etc 2015-04-05T12:49:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-05T12:50:51 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T12:51:21 < qyx_> ReadError: they have some in qfn28 2015-04-05T13:07:33 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-95.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-05T13:19:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-05T13:29:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T13:37:22 -!- w00die [~anton@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T13:55:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T13:55:17 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T13:56:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-05T14:06:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-05T14:07:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.193] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T14:20:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-05T14:21:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T14:58:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-05T14:58:34 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T15:16:28 < Getty> anyone ever made a USB Network device? i mean a device that supplies network via USB? they look so simple, is it probably more a passthrough of the phy? (and so more a driver thing on the resulting system) 2015-04-05T15:17:38 < karlp> there's a a few ways, ECM, EEM, NDIS, with varying levels of smarts 2015-04-05T15:18:00 < karlp> I think zyp made one? and I seem to recall some demo code somewhere 2015-04-05T15:20:26 < Getty> zyp always has a code example somewhere laying around, it seems 2015-04-05T15:20:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T15:23:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-05T15:24:27 < karlp> cdc-ecm is meant to be the "easiest" but it won't have the best performance. 2015-04-05T15:27:32 < Getty> i just saw today a USB hub with SD card reader, and i already got an USB hub with network, and i just thought this complete "things via USB" is actually interesting topic, i anyway wanna make this usb hub 2015-04-05T15:37:35 < PeterM> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Infineon%20PDFs/ADM8511,X.pdf if you dont care about speed 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small then 2015-04-05T21:11:01 < emeb> zyp: yeah - there are smaller ones. but this is a sweet spot for price - smaller seems to get more $$ 2015-04-05T21:11:21 < englishman> cant you get psoc4 in qfn24 2015-04-05T21:11:34 < englishman> qfn16 even 2015-04-05T21:11:50 < englishman> yessir 2015-04-05T21:12:02 < englishman> 3x3 2015-04-05T21:12:21 < zyp> emeb, might be, I haven't received the invoice for the parts yet, for the boards dongs are assembling for me 2015-04-05T21:12:45 < zyp> IIRC I went with 2.5x2 on them 2015-04-05T21:13:33 < englishman> 8MHz? 2015-04-05T21:13:38 < englishman> or 12 2015-04-05T21:15:42 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T21:16:04 < zyp> 25 actually, I already needed that for ethernet, and F4 runs on anything from 4-26 2015-04-05T21:17:32 < emeb> I need to simplify the PHY circuit on my ethernet ifc - ganked most of it from Waveshare and they do some silly stuff. 2015-04-05T21:17:51 < zyp> I ended up not adding any straps at all 2015-04-05T21:19:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-05T21:19:23 < emeb> Waveshare uses a separate 50MHz osc and feeds the clk back to the F4 2015-04-05T21:19:47 < emeb> but the PHY should be able to run from 25 *from* the F4 2015-04-05T21:20:09 < zyp> in RMII mode? 2015-04-05T21:20:23 < emeb> I think so 2015-04-05T21:20:53 < zyp> ksz8081rna have an internal 50MHz oscillator, fed by a 25MHz crystal 2015-04-05T21:20:59 < zyp> which is what I use 2015-04-05T21:21:13 < emeb> that's also an option on this phy chip 2015-04-05T21:21:36 < zyp> F4 requires an external 50MHz input for RMII mode 2015-04-05T21:21:54 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-05T21:21:56 < emeb> well then that would work to. 2015-04-05T21:22:56 < emeb> what do you do for LED drive w/ that Micrel part? 2015-04-05T21:23:01 < zyp> so using a 25MHz crystal and outputting HSE on MCO or just tapping the crystal directly should work 2015-04-05T21:23:19 -!- Theremin 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connect leads? 2015-04-06T02:40:19 < kakeman> like a case but with banana plugs 2015-04-06T02:42:41 < dongs> sup pros 2015-04-06T02:43:52 < kakeman> sup dongle 2015-04-06T02:57:13 < superbia1> sup inventors 2015-04-06T02:58:26 < kakeman> sup 2015-04-06T03:00:55 < qyx_> blogging 2015-04-06T03:01:49 < kakeman> doing nothings 2015-04-06T03:03:15 < kakeman> for too long time 2015-04-06T03:03:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-06T03:05:26 < kakeman> let's download some f-ram datasheets to archive so I have done something today 2015-04-06T03:05:38 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-06T03:07:27 < upgrdman> f-that 2015-04-06T03:08:19 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-06T03:10:44 < upgrdman> anyone tried the eneloop pro cells? 2015-04-06T03:12:26 -!- baird 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stm32flash to sync with my microcontroller, the way i understand it is I just have to hold BOOT0 high and reset the device? 2015-04-06T03:26:43 < dongs> just get LSD batts from hobbyking 2015-04-06T03:26:58 < dongs> dymk: yes 2015-04-06T03:27:15 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25023__Turnigy_Rechargeable_Battery_AA_2400mAh_NiMH.html 2015-04-06T03:27:31 < dymk> huh, still getting the error "Interface serial_posix: 57600 8E1 2015-04-06T03:27:31 < dymk> Failed to init device." 2015-04-06T03:27:43 < dongs> that sounds like lunix issue more than anything 2015-04-06T03:27:51 < dongs> which Fx is it? 2015-04-06T03:27:57 < dymk> Fx? 2015-04-06T03:27:57 < dongs> F1? 2015-04-06T03:28:00 < dymk> Oh, F4 2015-04-06T03:28:03 < dymk> F405RG 2015-04-06T03:28:09 < dongs> is this on your own board? 2015-04-06T03:28:12 < dymk> Yes 2015-04-06T03:28:20 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T03:28:26 < dongs> have you checked bootloader appnote to see what other interfaces it tries 2015-04-06T03:28:44 < dongs> for example if your uart lines arent high at reset, it wil skip them and such 2015-04-06T03:28:50 < dongs> even after entering bootloader 2015-04-06T03:29:03 < upgrdman> lolwut https://i.imgur.com/6AcjKVM.jpg 2015-04-06T03:29:04 < dymk> Oh, huh! I'll check that... 2015-04-06T03:29:18 < dongs> AN2606 2015-04-06T03:29:57 < dongs> also which usart are you on? 2015-04-06T03:30:02 < dymk> USART1 2015-04-06T03:30:28 < dongs> check table 11.1.2 (around page 49 in that appnote) 2015-04-06T03:30:34 < dongs> make sure your hardware matches it. 2015-04-06T03:31:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-06T03:32:50 < dymk> Oh, it's probably because my BOOT1 is floating? 2015-04-06T03:33:54 < dymk> i'm gonna guess that's it 2015-04-06T03:34:08 < dymk> gotta add a jumper to ground then 2015-04-06T03:36:31 < dymk> I don't see anything that says the usart pins need to be held high at reset time though 2015-04-06T03:36:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@174-22-213-23.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-06T03:37:20 < dymk> looks like it just loops around "check 0x7F on usart" -> "check CANx pin" -> "check USB" -> and back again 2015-04-06T03:38:40 < dymk> however, i think I have a better idea: is it possible to jump to the bootloader from user code? 2015-04-06T03:39:49 < upgrdman> nice mouse pad http://imgur.com/HbT9VrR 2015-04-06T03:40:18 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T03:40:40 < dymk> amazon does base searches on past browsing... 2015-04-06T03:40:47 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-06T03:40:47 -!- [1]PeterM is now known as PeterM 2015-04-06T03:42:05 < upgrdman> not my pic 2015-04-06T03:42:27 < upgrdman> but ya, r/wtf does taint my search results 2015-04-06T03:43:23 < kakeman> dymk: still pretending you have privacy with services you use? 2015-04-06T03:44:05 < dymk> kakeman, i try not to assume privacy 2015-04-06T03:44:16 < kakeman> install scriptsafe 2015-04-06T03:44:32 < dymk> where'd that come from? :P 2015-04-06T03:44:45 < dymk> looks like noscript for chrome 2015-04-06T03:45:28 < kakeman> yes, I pretend it gives me some privacy when I don't care myself 2015-04-06T03:45:44 < kakeman> that's how it works 2015-04-06T03:45:59 < dymk> i like ghostry 2015-04-06T03:46:15 < dymk> looks like scriptsafe provides similar functionality 2015-04-06T03:53:22 < dongs> dymk: yeah your boot1 must be fixed. i dont remember wehre i saw the uart requirement, it might be elsewehre in the document 2015-04-06T03:53:41 < dongs> dymk: this 2015-04-06T03:53:42 < dongs> It is recommended to keep the RX pins of unused Bootloader interfaces (USART_RX, 2015-04-06T03:53:42 < dongs> SPI_MOSI, CAN_RX and USB D+/D- lines if present) at a known (low or high) level at the 2015-04-06T03:53:45 < dongs> startup of the Bootloader (detection phase). Leaving these pins floating during the detection 2015-04-06T03:53:48 < dongs> phase might lead to activating unused interface. 2015-04-06T03:54:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T03:54:45 < kakeman> how scriptsafe interface looks https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKb2lDT2tPZEMxd2M/view?usp=sharing 2015-04-06T03:55:11 < dymk> dongs, ah well, this'll all be taken into account for bot v2 2015-04-06T03:56:20 < dongs> kakeman: i had no idea intel ran a demo compo 2015-04-06T03:56:20 < dongs> heh 2015-04-06T03:56:33 < dongs> do you win xeons??? 2015-04-06T03:57:12 < kakeman> no idea 2015-04-06T03:58:41 < dymk> dongs, the board: https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/zmLCRnIRVzIS1eM7OIvoUhitcGZvQaDx/20150405_175801.jpg 2015-04-06T04:00:00 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-06T04:00:05 < dongs> nice 2015-04-06T04:00:28 < dongs> is that a buzzer on it 2015-04-06T04:00:30 < dongs> PUI 2015-04-06T04:00:47 < dymk> yep 2015-04-06T04:01:14 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http://www.au.kddi.com/english/mobile/product/featurephone/shf31/feature/ "Framing adviser" 2015-04-06T08:13:27 < PeterM> >rule of turds 2015-04-06T08:24:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-06T08:26:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-06T08:30:52 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-100-227.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T08:30:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-100-227.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-06T08:39:58 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T08:44:49 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-06T08:46:02 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T09:15:22 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/user/hinamitetu here's the gymnast robot guy 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blown*" 2015-04-06T13:17:57 < _Sync_> dongs: some people just don't like hirarchical schematics 2015-04-06T13:19:20 < Taxman> i don't like them, too 2015-04-06T13:19:28 < Taxman> i work with bussed 2015-04-06T13:19:30 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/2dPWg.jpg 2015-04-06T13:19:31 < Taxman> busses 2015-04-06T13:19:48 < ReadError> is there any useful tool to solve for X or come up with useful R values 2015-04-06T13:20:14 < ReadError> I promised myself I would avoid math 7 years ago 2015-04-06T13:20:31 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T13:22:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-06T13:23:42 < dongs> http://www.google.com/patents/US20120204704 application: means someone tried to patent that shit but it hasnt been acecpted yet? 2015-04-06T13:24:03 < ReadError> application means its pending 2015-04-06T13:24:07 < ReadError> waiting review 2015-04-06T13:24:38 < dongs> k 2015-04-06T13:24:43 < dongs> cuz that shit is pretty obvious 2015-04-06T13:24:50 < dongs> not sure what tehy're patenting there 2015-04-06T13:25:18 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2015/04/06/more-power-for-raspberry-pi-usb-ports/ 2015-04-06T13:25:23 < Laurenceb__> omg 1.2mA 2015-04-06T13:25:51 < ReadError> dongs probably why it hasnt moved in 3 years 2015-04-06T13:26:02 * Laurenceb__ has some patents applied for... 2015-04-06T13:26:14 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-06T13:29:04 < PeterM> >runs LTSpice sim 2015-04-06T13:29:05 < PeterM> >computer bluescreens after about 3mins 2015-04-06T13:29:05 < PeterM> >wonder if computer is over heating 2015-04-06T13:29:05 < PeterM> >looks at fans 2015-04-06T13:29:05 < PeterM> >its like a fucking rug on the heatsink. 2015-04-06T13:29:06 < PeterM> >mfw i havent cleaned my computer for 4 years http://i.imgur.com/rfgrzJ6.gif 2015-04-06T13:29:37 < Laurenceb__> i just blast "air" duster through the cooling ports every month or so 2015-04-06T13:30:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T13:30:07 < Lux> ReadError: srsly ? 2015-04-06T13:30:32 < ReadError> Lux regarding what 2015-04-06T13:30:37 < Lux> calc 2015-04-06T13:30:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-06T13:30:43 < ReadError> oh i just woke up ;) 2015-04-06T13:30:59 < ReadError> i dont want to think hard now still foggy, will look later 2015-04-06T13:31:14 < Lux> ReadError: you just do what's in the text 2015-04-06T13:31:22 < Lux> the equation is allready solved ;) 2015-04-06T13:31:23 < dongs> ive asked for this before 2015-04-06T13:31:36 < dongs> but my request weas something t hat would look for matching Exx series of ressitors 2015-04-06T13:31:50 < dongs> and electrodroid did that 2015-04-06T13:32:06 < Lux> yeah, that android app is pretty useful 2015-04-06T13:34:06 < PeterM> http://mustcalculate.com/ is nifgty too 2015-04-06T13:34:35 < dongs> http://mustcalculate.com/electronics/automaticresistivevoltagedivider.php oooo 2015-04-06T13:34:39 < dongs> handy 2015-04-06T13:36:09 < Lux> very useful 2015-04-06T13:36:23 < Lux> it even calculates the power loss 2015-04-06T13:38:53 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T13:50:16 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-06T13:53:49 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-132-103.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-06T13:57:14 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-06T13:58:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-06T13:59:19 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-06T14:08:37 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T14:12:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T14:20:04 -!- DanteA 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but that doesn't help with debugging 2015-04-06T15:27:29 < rkreis> again, ew, i have no idea how to do that :) 2015-04-06T15:27:40 < PaulFertser> rkreis: gdb stub wouldn't be terribly hard to implement 2015-04-06T15:27:54 < PaulFertser> It's in the official gdb manual. 2015-04-06T15:28:17 < PaulFertser> rkreis: or just debug the old-school printf way. Then get fed up and switch to stm32f0 ;) 2015-04-06T15:28:52 < rkreis> i already have a few stm32f1 in the queue, but this is very very simple, so i thought i probably don't need an arm :) 2015-04-06T15:28:58 < ReadError> lunix desktop users make everything so hard on themself 2015-04-06T15:29:17 < rkreis> hopefully it's so simple that i won't need debugging, but when it's that easy and the hardware is all there, that would be nice 2015-04-06T15:29:33 < rkreis> this isn't a linux desktop, it's a laptop :P 2015-04-06T15:30:17 < PaulFertser> rkreis: for simple tasks you do not need complicated debugging ;) 2015-04-06T15:30:33 < rkreis> i'd want simple debugging :D 2015-04-06T15:30:41 < rkreis> just in case something doesn't work out and it's all stuck 2015-04-06T15:30:44 < PaulFertser> ReadError: you just can't troll, luser 2015-04-06T15:30:54 < PaulFertser> rkreis: printf via UART then.. 2015-04-06T15:31:48 < rkreis> are you sure nobody tried making gdb work yet? 2015-04-06T15:32:52 < rkreis> also, openocd and stlink are gdb stubs for stm32, aren't they? but doesn't gdb itself need to support stm8 for things like 'info reg' or 'disas'? 2015-04-06T15:34:25 < PaulFertser> rkreis: no 2015-04-06T15:35:03 < PaulFertser> rkreis: openocd is a remote gdb server for plenty of targets, not only stm32. 2015-04-06T15:35:20 < PaulFertser> rkreis: and yes, gdb would need stm8 support even if you write a stub. 2015-04-06T15:36:31 < rkreis> sounds like a lot of effort 2015-04-06T15:39:23 < PaulFertser> It is. 2015-04-06T15:41:02 < rkreis> can you give a rough estimate? would you walk me through it a little if i decided to go that way? 2015-04-06T15:42:03 < rkreis> PaulFertser, ^ 2015-04-06T15:44:45 < PaulFertser> rkreis: I'm afraid not, as I do not have experience implementing support for a new target in GDB. Probably that'd be a week of work. But other complicated issues might surface like writing proper unwind code, some sdcc specific stuff (I do not think sdcc-generated elfs were ever used with gdb) etc. 2015-04-06T15:45:53 < rkreis> so... printf is good :) 2015-04-06T16:21:52 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-06T16:22:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-06T16:30:38 < dongs> rkreis: download cosmic 32k free compiler, use STVD ide. 2015-04-06T16:30:52 < dongs> debugging, stepping, live variable inspection, etc all works. 2015-04-06T16:32:29 < rkreis> dongs, thanks, that's at least a fallback option :) 2015-04-06T16:32:39 < dongs> its a perfectly fine development option 2015-04-06T16:33:05 < dongs> printf is ridiculous for many reasons 2015-04-06T16:33:37 < dongs> i've done a bunch of stm8 work and I would never pick that processor if all I could do was tarduino-style dev 2015-04-06T16:35:47 < zyp> is there still a valid reason for picking stm8 at all? 2015-04-06T16:36:15 < dongs> well currently I've got one in 10k/month mass producing device 2015-04-06T16:36:25 < dongs> so when you can get them for 20c, yes 2015-04-06T16:37:14 < dongs> also: it has i2c controller that is not insane :) 2015-04-06T16:39:19 < kakeman> if I have dma channel in occasional use... what values should I set temporary to source and destination addresses? 2015-04-06T16:40:00 < dongs> leave them as is. 2015-04-06T16:40:27 < kakeman> but before there is any addresses 2015-04-06T16:40:44 < dongs> same. 2015-04-06T16:48:24 < zyp> doesn't matter what's in those registers when dma is disabled 2015-04-06T16:50:32 < kakeman> ye 2015-04-06T16:53:40 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Lerg, mumptai_, amstan, _Sync_, sfabris, Devilholk, PeterM, Bright, forrestv, Nutter, (+27 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 2015-04-06T16:54:45 < rkreis> dongs, but but the c compiler isn't libre :) 2015-04-06T16:55:18 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:55:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Abhishek_, Smd_, jadew, CheBuzz, sfabris, mitrax, Simon--, brabo, varesa, forrestv (+5 more) 2015-04-06T16:55:29 < PaulFertser> haha, I guess that's a plus for dongs 2015-04-06T16:55:47 < dongs> rkreis: do you think i really give a fuck? 2015-04-06T16:55:51 < akaWolf> wtf 2015-04-06T16:56:08 < rkreis> dongs, language please (even if i probably get the same response again) 2015-04-06T16:56:16 < PaulFertser> :D 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x5f77709e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- Bright [~brightclo@brightcloudengineering.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:40 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:56:54 < ReadError> lol rkreis 2015-04-06T16:56:54 < ReadError> gl with that ;) 2015-04-06T16:57:18 < dongs> zyp, your shit will be here tomorrow 2015-04-06T16:57:48 < rkreis> dongs, now you're just doing it on purpose, aren't you :) 2015-04-06T16:57:58 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- malinus [~malinus@unaffiliated/malinus] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.46] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- pulsar [ddb3876a0f@memoryleaks.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- Nutter [~hehe@server.mesophase.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- donb [~root@hacked.is] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- _Sync_ [~foobar@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:17 -!- hornang [~quassel@46.29.223.130] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:27 < dongs> rkreis: not at all, stuff working has priority over politics 2015-04-06T16:58:44 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:44 -!- Devilholk [~devilholk@luder.nu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:58:44 -!- synic [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T16:59:40 < rkreis> regarding strong language or regarding software licenses? 2015-04-06T16:59:41 < zyp> dongs, cool, got an invoice for parts yet? 2015-04-06T17:00:02 < dongs> zyp, not really, it was bunched with some of my shit, but ill figure it out 2015-04-06T17:00:27 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Lerg 2015-04-06T17:00:52 < specing> I support dongs's non-discriminating use of vocabulary 2015-04-06T17:01:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lerg 2015-04-06T17:01:16 < rkreis> i haven't decided yet if i pretend to be offended 2015-04-06T17:03:07 < rkreis> either way, enough politics, over and out 2015-04-06T17:06:41 < specing> rkreis: https://dadailydrudgerydayzzz.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/fuck-one-of-the-most-beautiful-words-in-the-english-language-osho/ 2015-04-06T17:07:59 < kakeman> but maybe if I want to be on safe side there would be some address area used that access is not allowed so if something hapens it causes fault 2015-04-06T17:09:51 < kakeman> if something enables dma 2015-04-06T17:10:16 < ReadError> rkreis keep in mind that you are talking to a guy named 'dongs' aka dicks/penis/etc 2015-04-06T17:11:01 < kakeman> isn't dongs like feaces? 2015-04-06T17:11:08 < kakeman> like poops 2015-04-06T17:11:21 < ReadError> lol no 2015-04-06T17:12:12 < kakeman> it's actually sound that big bell makes 2015-04-06T17:12:17 < kakeman> *dong* 2015-04-06T17:12:58 < kakeman> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dong 2015-04-06T17:12:59 < ReadError> altho 2015-04-06T17:13:01 < ReadError> https://www.google.com/search?q=dong&num=30&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch& 2015-04-06T17:13:04 < ReadError> strange.. 2015-04-06T17:40:08 < kakeman> what are these dma counters for? 2015-04-06T17:41:09 < kakeman> terminal count 2015-04-06T17:43:59 < kakeman> does all cortex-m chips have same dma controller base model in use? 2015-04-06T17:44:14 < kakeman> by arm 2015-04-06T18:01:24 < dongs> no 2015-04-06T18:02:41 < kakeman> but dmas still are quite alike 2015-04-06T18:03:41 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs 2015-04-06T18:03:42 < Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Health 2015-04-06T18:04:01 < Laurenceb__> MDG6: Millennium Development Goal 6. Functionality to fight Malaria, Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS. 2015-04-06T18:04:08 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T18:07:58 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-06T18:11:46 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-06T18:20:23 -!- synic [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-06T18:21:55 -!- synic [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T18:38:21 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T18:41:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T18:43:28 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-06T18:43:51 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T18:55:37 < kakeman> if null pointer is something that doesn't have value of any other pointer 2015-04-06T18:55:46 < kakeman> and shouldn't point to anything 2015-04-06T18:56:07 < kakeman> so if my implementation says NULL is pointer to address 0 2015-04-06T18:56:23 < dongs> dang dude. 2015-04-06T18:56:37 < kakeman> doesn't that mean that neather of those apply 2015-04-06T18:56:51 < dongs> i'm about to apply something to you 2015-04-06T18:56:56 < dongs> and its not very nice 2015-04-06T18:56:59 < upgrdman> a pointer is a number. they have to pick some number to imply null 2015-04-06T18:57:05 < kakeman> yes 2015-04-06T18:57:17 < kakeman> dongs rage 2015-04-06T18:57:40 < kakeman> wouldn't there be more safe address than 0? 2015-04-06T18:57:47 < dongs> yes, try -1 2015-04-06T18:58:01 < kakeman> with unsigned address space? 2015-04-06T18:58:28 < dongs> yes so instead of null pointer it generates unsigned address exception 2015-04-06T18:58:32 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-04-06T18:58:34 < Laurenceb__> data[3]=*(uint16_t*)(&((int16_t)*((float*)&dummy_f))); 2015-04-06T18:58:43 < Laurenceb__> does this look mental :P 2015-04-06T18:58:49 < qyx_> yes, no spaces 2015-04-06T18:58:54 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-06T18:59:05 < Laurenceb__> dummy_f is a float stored as uint32_t 2015-04-06T18:59:21 < Laurenceb__> i want to round to int16_t then typecast as uint16_t 2015-04-06T18:59:54 < dongs> Laurenceb__: lrintf 2015-04-06T19:03:59 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: that's a mental way to express thoughts. Just use proper types. BTW, you can probably simplify it easily by omitting second & and * 2015-04-06T19:04:35 < Laurenceb__> ok 2015-04-06T19:04:47 < Laurenceb__> yeah i have to split it to two lines anyway 2015-04-06T19:05:08 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: I think code like this is just asking for trouble. It's conceptually wrong imho. Not one line vs two lines issue. 2015-04-06T19:05:11 < PaulFertser> But typesafety. 2015-04-06T19:05:23 < dongs> or just using lrintf()??? 2015-04-06T19:05:24 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T19:05:38 < Laurenceb__> i need to lurn how to use it lol 2015-04-06T19:05:43 < Laurenceb__> ill rtfm 2015-04-06T19:05:52 < dongs> int faggot = lrintf(somefloat); 2015-04-06T19:05:52 < dongs> done 2015-04-06T19:07:20 < Tectu> do you guys use anything to keep track of what compnents you have flying around in your drawers? 2015-04-06T19:07:34 < Tectu> stuff like PartKeepr or simple spreadsheet? Maybe awesome access crap? 2015-04-06T19:08:02 < dongs> i use shitty partkeepr 2015-04-06T19:08:16 < Tectu> u happy with it? It looks somewhat ugly and blaoted 2015-04-06T19:08:32 < dongs> it is all of those things but it gets the job done 2015-04-06T19:12:56 < Tectu> I'm curious how using excel would work there 2015-04-06T19:14:41 < dongs> too much shit to maintain i think 2015-04-06T19:17:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-06T19:18:07 < Tectu> dongs, I'm trying to figure out what shit that would be 2015-04-06T19:20:28 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T19:21:01 < dongs> i duno, i use a bunch of shit partskeepr does 2015-04-06T19:21:13 < dongs> first of all project reports, of course 2015-04-06T19:21:18 < dongs> then stock history 2015-04-06T19:21:32 < dongs> if you keep shit in excel 2015-04-06T19:21:34 < dongs> and you make something 2015-04-06T19:21:41 < dongs> how do you know if you made it 10 days ago or not? 2015-04-06T19:22:14 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host42-227-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-06T19:24:07 < Tectu> dongs, is partkeepr still alive? last stable release 3 years ago 2015-04-06T19:24:24 < ReadError> maybe it was perfect 2015-04-06T19:24:26 < ReadError> so they stopped 2015-04-06T19:26:13 < Tectu> https://github.com/partkeepr/PartKeepr 2015-04-06T19:31:40 < superbia> lol 2015-04-06T19:35:16 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host84-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T19:36:13 < englishman> wtf 2015-04-06T19:36:26 < englishman> extract partkeepr zip, it wants to overwrite existing files 2015-04-06T19:36:28 < englishman> in a new dir 2015-04-06T19:36:34 < dongs> lunix'd 2015-04-06T19:36:37 < englishman> is there some lunixy symlink garbage going on 2015-04-06T19:36:38 < englishman> i knew it 2015-04-06T19:37:09 < superbia> that shit has nothing to do with lunixry 2015-04-06T19:39:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-06T19:55:12 < dongs> anyone remember that retarded new DRM i blogged about few months ago 2015-04-06T19:55:18 < dongs> something SD card or someshit 2015-04-06T19:55:28 < dongs> i forgot it was toshiba or panasonic or one of those things that came up with it 2015-04-06T19:55:39 < dongs> it was a really dumb name too 2015-04-06T20:00:10 < emeb> Anyone here ever messed with lk? https://github.com/travisg/lk 2015-04-06T20:00:40 < emeb> there's a few targets for STM32 there. I've compiled it and run on my F4 Discovery but it panics on many/most of the built-in tests. 2015-04-06T20:00:43 < dongs> the docs look great 2015-04-06T20:00:55 < emeb> Docs are for the weak apparently. 2015-04-06T20:03:57 < PeterM> dongs wasnt it some shit liie "now you can get yoru music or movies on sd card! because we've never heard of the internet, and because they're on an sd card we can copy protect it!" 2015-04-06T20:04:05 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-06T20:04:08 < dongs> that 2015-04-06T20:04:16 < dongs> and it needed soem special card reader 2015-04-06T20:04:24 < dongs> that you connect to your phone 2015-04-06T20:04:26 < dongs> to play the shit 2015-04-06T20:04:36 < dongs> i cant fucking remember the name i must have been too stoned 2015-04-06T20:04:40 < emeb> SD has always had some kinda security features. Don't know what it takes to turn them on tho 2015-04-06T20:04:43 < dongs> and browser history isnt helping 2015-04-06T20:04:51 < dongs> emeb: this was even MORE secure than that 2015-04-06T20:05:03 < emeb> oooo - superSD 2015-04-06T20:06:49 < PeterM> SeeQVault 2015-04-06T20:06:55 < dongs> damn, thank you sir 2015-04-06T20:07:10 < PeterM> i dont know if thats it 2015-04-06T20:07:15 < dongs> that is it 2015-04-06T20:07:33 < emeb> Share and enjoy 2015-04-06T20:07:42 < emeb> so Douglas Adams 2015-04-06T20:07:50 < PeterM> i remember reading that areticle and thinking "who the fuck would do this when they can just fucking torrent it" 2015-04-06T20:08:14 < emeb> people who don't know about torrent, or think it's only for evil haxxors 2015-04-06T20:08:36 < emeb> or think they'll get viruses from evil haxxors via torrent 2015-04-06T20:08:58 < emeb> ie - 95% of the internet grannies out there 2015-04-06T20:09:15 < PeterM> nah anyone under the age of 25 knows how to got to eztv or whatever the fuck and use utorrent 2015-04-06T20:09:28 < superbia> what is eztv 2015-04-06T20:09:38 < PeterM> "or watever the fuck" 2015-04-06T20:09:39 < Steffanx> private trackers <3 2015-04-06T20:10:01 < emeb> my experience with "muggles" is that they don't know about torrent, but they have a friend with mad skillz who does and gets it all for them. 2015-04-06T20:10:01 < PeterM> yeah,. most people dont give two fucks about that 2015-04-06T20:10:37 < PeterM> lol dongs this article http://mesalliance.org/blog/uncategorized/2015/01/12/seeqvault-eyes-u-s-next/ 2015-04-06T20:10:38 < dongs> i see tehre's way more products now supporting that shit than last time i looked 2015-04-06T20:10:40 < PeterM> "If 2014 is any indication, SeeQVault can look forward to a year where everyone knows the name. In the third quarter of the year, the technology was licensed by 18 total companies, and in Japan six SeeQVault licensee companies released nearly 20 prod" 2015-04-06T20:10:51 < PeterM> yeah fuck right off 2015-04-06T20:11:04 < dongs> PeterM: seeqvalut sounds like lunix on desktop 2015-04-06T20:11:11 < emeb> Right up there with the wonderful Sony Magicgate tech 2015-04-06T20:11:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.218.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T20:11:23 < dongs> "will be popular in $currentyear+1" 2015-04-06T20:11:25 < emeb> hated that crap on my old MD players... 2015-04-06T20:11:53 < PeterM> emeb whats magicgate is that like swapmagic? 2015-04-06T20:12:03 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T20:12:15 < emeb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagicGate 2015-04-06T20:12:18 < dongs> magicgate was sony memorystick shit 2015-04-06T20:12:36 < dongs> before they were too cool for SD 2015-04-06T20:13:32 < PeterM> memory stick was as dumb as fuckin xd picture card 2015-04-06T20:13:53 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-06T20:14:20 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T20:16:09 < PeterM> seriously, i remember gettign a psp and then selling it when i realized it used memory sticks because they were liek $100/gb at the time 2015-04-06T20:16:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T20:18:25 < dongs> SeeQVault opens new possibilities for consumers interested in storing and viewing their high definition content and other data across the .. 2015-04-06T20:19:12 < PeterM> how 2015-04-06T20:19:34 < dongs> spend more on new hardware 2015-04-06T20:19:42 < dongs> to have even less control over your high definition content 2015-04-06T20:19:45 < emeb> give me all your monies 2015-04-06T20:19:47 < dongs> thats how 2015-04-06T20:22:03 < emeb> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/04/06/jye-tech-dso138-is-a-23-diy-oscilloscope-kit/ 2015-04-06T20:23:19 < dongs> proooo 2015-04-06T20:24:59 < emeb> 200kHz BW - super useful 2015-04-06T20:25:37 < PeterM> sounds great for working on your tarduinos digitalWrites 2015-04-06T20:25:47 < emeb> If they'd used an F303 they could have ping-ponged the 5MHz ADCs and gotten sample rate up to 10MSPS 2015-04-06T20:27:03 < specing> emeb: enough for analysing uart, ps2, audio, ... 2015-04-06T20:29:08 < PeterM> what do you call those dip switches that switch on the side? 2015-04-06T20:29:14 < emeb> xprotolab has 2 chls, plus more features for only a little more $ 2015-04-06T20:30:27 < dongs> PeterM: just right angle dip switch 2015-04-06T20:30:38 < dongs> http://store.comet.bg/files/mf/product_images/7310_img_2.jpg 2015-04-06T20:30:39 < dongs> you mean this shit? 2015-04-06T20:31:03 < PeterM> yeah, ive heard it called something else 2015-04-06T20:31:42 < dongs> side actuated? 2015-04-06T20:31:56 < PeterM> piano type 2015-04-06T20:32:26 < dongs> woh. 2015-04-06T20:39:51 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 2015-04-06T20:48:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T20:52:42 < englishman> lol partskeepr comes with a bunch of DIP and BGA footprints and nothing in between 2015-04-06T20:53:41 < emeb> attn dongs: better than kickstarter -> https://stupidhackathon.github.io/ 2015-04-06T20:53:48 < englishman> so i can select between FCBGA-576 and PDIP-8 2015-04-06T20:57:56 < _Sync_> I'd clearly use the fcbga 2015-04-06T21:02:37 < specing> emeb: but it is black and white 2015-04-06T21:02:44 < specing> emeb: I hate black and white screens 2015-04-06T21:04:29 < specing> plus with the $23 scope kit you get an LCD you can use elsewhere and a BNC connector and probe for the same purpose 2015-04-06T21:04:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jznwzpwaavmzfnxy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-06T21:06:17 < specing> xprotolab does have computer software for it 2015-04-06T21:11:14 < specing> the jye has a usb connect so the interface could be done 2015-04-06T21:11:23 < specing> the stm32 software is fairly ugly 2015-04-06T21:12:06 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-06T21:13:56 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host84-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-06T21:19:08 < Fleck> specing: what do you mean by "stm32 software" ? 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2015-04-06T23:52:56 < kakeman> can it happen? 2015-04-06T23:53:29 < superbia> can we trust luniyx? 2015-04-06T23:53:45 < kakeman> more than freebsd 2015-04-06T23:54:23 < superbia> can we trust freebsd developers (all 4 of them) 2015-04-06T23:54:51 < dufa> kakeman: not sure how likely it is, but definately possible 2015-04-06T23:55:03 < PaulFertser> kakeman: cheap ass chinese router with OpenWrt installed wouldn't do that for sure. 2015-04-06T23:55:21 < PaulFertser> Without OpenWrt it's a shit piece of equipment anyway. 2015-04-06T23:55:43 < dufa> I remember i had a usb 4g internet dongle thingy that injected some javascript at the top of all html documents 2015-04-06T23:56:30 < dufa> It was disgusting to find out. Stopped using it imediately. 2015-04-06T23:56:43 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-06T23:56:56 < superbia> if only you knew what else is in your windows box.. 2015-04-06T23:57:55 < dufa> The injected javascript was basically the carriers own google-analytics type script. 2015-04-06T23:58:43 < kakeman> I assume cheap ass routers to call to their masters 2015-04-06T23:58:50 < kakeman> and open back door 2015-04-06T23:59:12 < superbia> its only in the interest of public security and threat detection 2015-04-06T23:59:28 < kakeman> also I assume expensives american routers to call to their masters 2015-04-06T23:59:39 < superbia> 100% security is not possible with 100% privacy --- Day changed Tue Apr 07 2015 2015-04-07T00:00:31 < dufa> true, privacy is a lot about how much hassle you are ok putting up with 2015-04-07T00:01:47 < Tectu> what's the lowest cost STM32 with integrated DAC? 2015-04-07T00:02:16 < dufa> I installed a new router at a friends place. Even after changing the admin password form the configuration panel, you could still log in using telnet and default creds 2015-04-07T00:02:34 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T00:02:40 < superbia> dufa: so? 2015-04-07T00:05:17 < dufa> superbia: Stupid design, since you all the settings were configurable through telnet anyway. So changing the defaut password to something else still didn't prevent unauthorized access. 2015-04-07T00:05:45 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T00:07:14 < superbia> dufa: write a letter to sisco 2015-04-07T00:10:13 < dufa> Nah, it's just junk hacking anyway. If you look at any sufficiently cheap piece of IT equipment it will have security vulnerabilities. 2015-04-07T00:11:17 < dufa> It's often times a business decision not to care about security, since it increases development time and therefore cost . 2015-04-07T00:16:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7afe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-07T00:32:34 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKb05SM0FUajBrdFE&usp=sharing let's transform this piece to be outdoor equipment 2015-04-07T00:33:21 < kakeman> I need bigger case 2015-04-07T00:35:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-07T00:43:00 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T00:44:07 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T00:47:52 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-07T00:51:43 < zyp> heh, love the routing between the soc and the ram chip 2015-04-07T00:52:28 < zyp> wonder who insisted on adding ground between all the signal traces 2015-04-07T00:52:29 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-07T00:53:15 < emeb> with vias no less 2015-04-07T00:53:27 < Steffanx> the auto router setup guy i guess? 2015-04-07T00:53:36 < emeb> conceivable that it helps RFI 2015-04-07T00:53:43 < zyp> well of course they have vias, they need to be stitched to the ground plane 2015-04-07T00:54:44 < zyp> I wonder if it's a two layer board, and a way to give the traces a closer reference ground than the plane on the back side 2015-04-07T00:55:29 < emeb> was thinking that too 2015-04-07T01:03:15 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-68-3.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T01:03:32 -!- chickensk [~chickensk@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-07T01:05:16 < PaulFertser> The traces do not seem to be length-matched, why? 2015-04-07T01:06:16 < PaulFertser> Because it doesn't matter for old SDRAM? 2015-04-07T01:06:48 < PaulFertser> Maximum 200MHz clock rate. 2015-04-07T01:07:24 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-07T01:08:25 < emeb> the F429 Disco SDRAM traces aren't matched. I did an F427 board with SDRAM and didn't match. works fine. 2015-04-07T01:09:09 < zyp> my LPC43xx board isn't matched either, but I don't think I ever wrote the code to test if it worked 2015-04-07T01:09:15 < emeb> It's pretty funny when you see boards with low-speed logic and matched traces. 2015-04-07T01:09:32 < PaulFertser> We have issues getting industrial-grade sdram nowadays. At least the folks who do the sourcing claim so. 2015-04-07T01:09:33 < zyp> like FS USB? :) 2015-04-07T01:09:39 < emeb> it's like "My layout SW will do it, so why not? Looks more Pro!" 2015-04-07T01:10:23 < emeb> PaulFertser: too much capacity going to consumer grade, or just not much SDRAM out there now? 2015-04-07T01:11:24 < PaulFertser> emeb: no idea, they just say that the chips we were using (I guess samsung) are now unobtainable. Time to switch to DDR it seems. 2015-04-07T01:11:36 < zyp> if you're talking about SDR SDRAM, it's probably rather that there's too little consumer grade nowadays 2015-04-07T01:12:32 < zyp> or too little interest in SDR in general 2015-04-07T01:14:00 < emeb> yeah - who needs that low capacity stuff nowadays? 2015-04-07T01:28:45 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T01:31:46 < Laurenceb__> how do people use SWIM on F0 devices? 2015-04-07T01:31:56 < zyp> uh 2015-04-07T01:32:03 < zyp> isn't SWIM strictly for STM8? 2015-04-07T01:32:22 < Laurenceb__> erm 2015-04-07T01:32:25 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-07T01:32:36 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-07T01:34:27 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-07T01:37:04 < emeb> just got some STM32F070CBT6 2015-04-07T01:37:14 < emeb> now to make a breakout 2015-04-07T01:59:03 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkkgizjzbjertvbd] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T01:59:22 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-07T02:00:56 < zyp> what's new/unique about F070? 2015-04-07T02:07:13 < _Sync_> wtf 2015-04-07T02:07:18 < _Sync_> dongs: you seem to be right 2015-04-07T02:07:26 < _Sync_> japanese companies don't want to sell their stuff 2015-04-07T02:08:13 < kakeman> it's their way to do business 2015-04-07T02:09:35 < _Sync_> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/3508fd.pdf that thing is actually pretty cool 2015-04-07T02:14:07 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T02:16:14 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-68-3.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-07T02:17:09 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-07T02:17:44 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-07T02:20:40 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T02:24:00 -!- w00die [~w00die@broadband-109-173-124-250.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com] 2015-04-07T02:31:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-07T02:33:08 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-07T02:36:31 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T02:36:45 < emeb> http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/bbc-accidentally-calls-the-large-hadron-collider-a-hardoncollider--gyQltk9ZkW 2015-04-07T02:36:51 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T02:36:52 -!- [1]PeterM is now known as PeterM 2015-04-07T02:37:18 < emeb> now that's big gay 2015-04-07T02:52:15 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-07T02:55:59 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwkphxnrthbnygjx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-07T02:57:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T02:57:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-07T02:57:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T03:08:09 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T03:28:40 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-07T03:53:56 < kakeman> when you have devices with unnamed testpoints you assume are jtag signals 2015-04-07T03:54:11 < kakeman> how you progress from there 2015-04-07T03:54:38 < kakeman> randomly connecting until connection? 2015-04-07T04:00:40 < kakeman> if I can't rule some of test points out there is brute forcing of 2520 permutations 2015-04-07T04:00:51 < kakeman> for 5 jtag pins 2015-04-07T04:01:17 < kakeman> hmm 2015-04-07T04:01:19 < upgrdman> lol 2015-04-07T04:01:32 < upgrdman> write the firmware and use relays to try out those permutations 2015-04-07T04:01:37 < kakeman> how about utilizing some switchs 2015-04-07T04:01:48 < upgrdman> be hand? sure, why not... 2015-04-07T04:01:54 < kakeman> let's stay in semiconductors 2015-04-07T04:02:23 < upgrdman> i can haz mux 2015-04-07T04:02:27 < kakeman> switch = digital switch 2015-04-07T04:03:14 < kakeman> there should be board design for it 2015-04-07T04:04:22 < kakeman> maybe there is evalution board for some wide enough mux? 2015-04-07T04:09:16 < kakeman> hmm 2015-04-07T04:12:23 < kakeman> just have 8 of 8channel analog muxes 2015-04-07T04:13:09 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T04:13:10 < kakeman> very basic 2015-04-07T04:13:39 < kakeman> it could have own mcu controlled with rs232 2015-04-07T04:19:03 < kakeman> https://hackingbtbusinesshub.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/discovering-jtag-pinouts/ 2015-04-07T04:19:49 < karlp> kakeman: jtagulator 2015-04-07T04:21:02 < upgrdman> anyone here up on their statistics? trying to understand average deviation, standard deviation and variance. is this correct: average deviation is the average distance from the mean, in terms of amplitude? standard deviation is the average distance from the mean, in terms of power? variance is the power of the standard deviation? 2015-04-07T04:22:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T04:28:53 < kakeman> karlp: have one? 2015-04-07T04:36:10 < karlp> no, but thought of it a few times in the past, it's a project ripe for "remaking" 2015-04-07T04:49:41 < kakeman> build yourself? 2015-04-07T04:54:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkkgizjzbjertvbd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-07T05:11:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-07T05:13:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T05:21:43 < zyp> what do you mean «same condition»? 2015-04-07T05:22:08 < zyp> isn't ripple mostly a function of frequency, load and caps? 2015-04-07T05:22:58 < zyp> so you're comparing apples to oranges 2015-04-07T05:24:14 < zyp> heh 2015-04-07T05:24:38 < zyp> so it could be a 200-600kHz difference or a 2.2-2.6MHz difference 2015-04-07T05:24:49 < zyp> your numbers are useless 2015-04-07T05:30:00 < upgrdman> had to go to the DMV today to renew my drivers license. FOUR GOD DAMN HOURS in line. so much pent up rage... 2015-04-07T05:31:19 < zyp> you guys need to renew your drivers licenses? 2015-04-07T05:31:37 < zyp> uh, me 2015-04-07T05:32:30 < zyp> what about it? 2015-04-07T05:34:00 < upgrdman> ya. im in ca usa. i think it's eveyr 3-5 you have to renew. you can usually just pay the fee online and they mail you a new card. but every 10 years they force you to do it in person so they can resample your signature, thumb print and photo. 2015-04-07T05:34:27 < upgrdman> oh, and ya, the basic vision test. 2015-04-07T05:35:11 < dongs> _Sync_: what did you try to buy.; 2015-04-07T05:35:17 < zyp> no such thing here, my card says valid until 2088 2015-04-07T05:35:31 < dongs> more liek 1488 2015-04-07T05:36:40 < upgrdman> while the DMV is usually slow and staffed with lazy people, this time it was particularly bad. the state governement decided to let illegal immagrants register for drivers licenses (ya... wtf?) so the line was full of people who spoke little english 2015-04-07T05:38:46 < upgrdman> cheap labor i guess 2015-04-07T05:38:58 < upgrdman> but we have no shortage of unskilled labor already 2015-04-07T05:39:35 < upgrdman> the liberals in california (and well nationwide too) are trying to buy votes by pandering to the Mexicans. 2015-04-07T05:40:15 < upgrdman> until we kicked their asses and took it. 2015-04-07T05:41:26 < zyp> oh, apparently norwegian license laws changed a couple of years ago, apparently new licenses now are only valid for max 15 years if I'm reading this right 2015-04-07T05:41:32 < upgrdman> i've got nothing against the immigrants, most are nice people. but it's fucked up that our politicians aren't even trying to make it difficult on illegal immigrants 2015-04-07T05:42:29 < zyp> if I'm reading this right, I'll have to renew mine in 2063, even though it says 2088 2015-04-07T05:43:08 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T05:43:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T05:44:43 < zyp> the old rules was that the license was valid until you're 100 years old, but people over 70 would also need to carry a valid medical certificate 2015-04-07T05:45:54 < zyp> the new rules states that you need a medical certificate to renew your license after passing 75, and new validity of license follows validity of the medical certificate 2015-04-07T05:46:08 < upgrdman> R2COM, not me 2015-04-07T05:46:24 < zyp> either way, this is not something I need to care about for a long time :p 2015-04-07T05:47:05 < upgrdman> R2COM, and let's be honest. they're not coming up here to "retake their land" they're coming because their home country is fucked up and work prospects down there suck. 2015-04-07T05:47:43 < upgrdman> they don't want the land. they want the paying jobs. 2015-04-07T05:47:58 < upgrdman> you don't see the illegals camping in the vast wilderness in califronia 2015-04-07T05:48:05 < upgrdman> homesteading, etc. 2015-04-07T05:48:20 < upgrdman> you see them picking strawberries and mowing lawns. for cash. 2015-04-07T05:48:48 < upgrdman> no shit. 2015-04-07T05:48:52 < upgrdman> cheap labor. 2015-04-07T05:49:55 < upgrdman> my first job was at a mcdonalds :) white people who got a job there would be out within 3 - 18 months. if you hire a minority, most hang out for decades. 2015-04-07T05:50:16 < upgrdman> and they wine less about pay and benefits. 2015-04-07T05:50:49 < upgrdman> so less turn over and less pay makes the business owners happy. even the conservative ones who hate illegals. 2015-04-07T05:53:08 < upgrdman> just to be clear: im not claiming all illegals are unskilled. 2015-04-07T05:53:39 < upgrdman> anyway, time for me to find something to watch while eating pizza for dinner 2015-04-07T05:55:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-07T06:02:54 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T06:05:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T06:10:26 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T06:10:46 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T06:10:47 -!- [1]PeterM is now known as PeterM 2015-04-07T06:20:40 < dongs> alt-click=drag? 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2015-04-07T08:00:24 -!- bairdynomnom_ is now known as baird 2015-04-07T08:01:47 < GargantuaSauce> yep 2015-04-07T08:06:32 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T08:20:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T08:45:16 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T08:52:20 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T09:01:39 < dongs> http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/32515-7imx2f.jpg 2015-04-07T09:01:41 < dongs> lol' 2015-04-07T09:01:42 < dongs> d 2015-04-07T09:06:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wwuormbnckmgarji] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-07T09:13:26 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-07T09:22:23 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T09:24:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-07T09:24:22 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-07T09:30:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T09:31:54 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T09:49:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T09:54:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-07T09:57:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-07T10:00:24 < ReadError> man aliexpress is awesome 2015-04-07T10:10:05 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-07T10:10:36 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T10:15:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@p5B2A5A9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T10:15:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@p5B2A5A9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-07T10:15:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T10:17:40 < rkreis_> ReadError, why? 2015-04-07T10:18:02 < ReadError> cheap 2015-04-07T10:18:12 < ReadError> and the sellers bust ass to get you the stuff so they get paid 2015-04-07T10:18:16 < rkreis_> comparable to dx/fasttech/ebay/...? 2015-04-07T10:19:23 < GargantuaSauce> better than ebay on average because of the escrow system 2015-04-07T10:19:36 < GargantuaSauce> depends on the seller though 2015-04-07T10:19:49 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-new-and-origianl-50PCS-LOT-ATMEGA328-ATMEGA328P-ATMEGA328P-AU-ATMEL-2013-TQFP32/1588005542.html 2015-04-07T10:19:52 < ReadError> dont judge me 2015-04-07T10:20:04 < rkreis_> that really is cheap 2015-04-07T10:20:08 < ReadError> but dx/fasttech cant do that 2015-04-07T10:21:54 < rkreis_> waiting for these to arrive: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-ForArduin/32282374854.html 2015-04-07T10:22:08 < rkreis_> (well, i got them over ebay) 2015-04-07T10:22:17 < ReadError> lol for arduino 2015-04-07T10:22:20 < ReadError> HOW?? 2015-04-07T10:22:25 < rkreis_> i have no clue 2015-04-07T10:22:36 < rkreis_> i don't even know what arduino means anymore 2015-04-07T10:22:45 < rkreis_> "it has IO pins"? 2015-04-07T10:23:37 < ReadError> SEO probably 2015-04-07T10:24:11 < rkreis_> that'd make sense 2015-04-07T10:25:44 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-50pcs-lots-STM32F103CBT6-LQFP-44-100-New-original-IC-In-stock/32277909853.html 2015-04-07T10:25:45 < ReadError> not bad 2015-04-07T10:26:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-07T10:26:13 < ReadError> except its missing 4 pins?? 2015-04-07T10:26:25 < jpa-> could be good, could be factory rejects 2015-04-07T10:27:02 < rkreis_> well, have to go, see you all 2015-04-07T10:27:11 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10PCS-STM32F103CBT6-STM32F103-ST-LQFP48-IC/1062491008.html 2015-04-07T10:27:14 < ReadError> these are legit 2015-04-07T10:27:21 < ReadError> but a bit more $$ 2015-04-07T10:28:13 < jpa-> how do you know that they are legit? 2015-04-07T10:28:27 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/B0yMp79.png 2015-04-07T10:28:35 < ReadError> ive bought 100 in the past few months ;p 2015-04-07T10:29:02 < PeterM> ReadError, rkreis_ those small f103 boards say fr arduino because there used to be the mini maple or some shit by leaf labs 2015-04-07T10:29:03 < jpa-> factory rejects can fail in subtle ways down the line 2015-04-07T10:29:32 < jpa-> though so can official parts, so who knows 2015-04-07T10:29:36 < ReadError> jpa- well you can judge a seller by the 'diamonds' 2015-04-07T10:29:47 < ReadError> like this guy is 5 blue diamonds 2015-04-07T10:29:50 < ReadError> so very legit 2015-04-07T10:30:01 < jpa-> umm, and who determines the diamonds? clueless buyers? 2015-04-07T10:30:24 < jpa-> it's not like most buyers verify the chips, especially not against the spec 2015-04-07T10:31:07 < jpa-> i have a bunch of FETs from ebay that i at first thought worked fine, but turned out to have 10x the specified Rds 2015-04-07T10:31:26 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T10:31:38 < ReadError> ive yet to have one DOA or fail, doesnt mean they are real though 2015-04-07T10:32:07 < ReadError> but in todays market, counterfiet drugs make it in to hospitals and pharmacys so who knows 2015-04-07T10:32:36 < jpa-> yep 2015-04-07T10:45:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T10:58:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.134] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T11:00:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.134] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-07T11:03:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T11:15:52 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T11:20:47 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T11:26:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-07T11:41:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T11:48:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T11:51:45 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T11:52:28 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T12:30:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.70] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T12:30:50 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-215-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T12:32:37 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-26-175.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-07T12:38:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T12:43:28 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2015-04-07T12:51:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T12:52:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T12:57:14 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-07T13:01:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-07T13:05:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T13:14:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.134] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T13:18:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-07T13:21:20 < kakeman> is there way to rewrite username when login with putty? 2015-04-07T13:21:36 < kakeman> I typo sometimes 2015-04-07T13:24:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T13:25:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T13:28:39 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T13:29:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.70] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T13:30:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-07T13:35:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T13:47:50 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-07T13:48:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T13:53:31 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwmzqfmjdzeoujrc] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:19:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T14:20:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.134] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:21:11 < _Sync_> dongs: mitsubishi gate drivers 2015-04-07T14:26:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:32:18 -!- brabo [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-07T14:32:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-07T14:32:48 -!- brabo [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:36:10 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-07T14:41:17 < dongs> yea good luck 2015-04-07T14:42:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T14:42:57 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:46:03 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:49:50 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T14:57:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-07T15:00:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-07T15:08:35 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T15:11:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T15:11:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T15:14:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.0] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T15:30:41 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T15:31:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T15:35:28 < mitrax> gah another bug in STM32cube 2015-04-07T15:35:42 < Steffanx> the tool of the HAL stuff? 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I guess you meant the graphical tool? 2015-04-07T15:43:02 < mitrax> i'll report it on the ST forums, but last time i complained that their HAL code for UART didn't check the status register for errors when using DMA code and that it caused the UART to go deaf when debugging and using breakpoint i got an answer like "oh it's designed to be that way, don't use breakpoint" 2015-04-07T15:43:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T15:43:30 < mitrax> Steffanx: no no, not CubeMX, their hardware abstraction layer library for the STM32 line 2015-04-07T15:43:36 < Steffanx> hah. I hope clive5 wasn't the guy who said that? 2015-04-07T15:44:04 < mitrax> hmm i don't think so, the guy has Walter White's face as avatar, his nickname is Einsenberg 2015-04-07T15:44:25 < Steffanx> i get confused by the "new" names all the time, cube this, cube that 2015-04-07T15:45:46 < mitrax> i narrowed down the error... it's in the DMA2D code for doing a blended bit blit using a 8bit alpha source, they have tmp |= ((pLayerCfg->InputAlpha) & 0x00FFFFFF); hdma2d->Instance->FGCOLR = tmp; 2015-04-07T15:45:56 < mitrax> when it should be tmp = ((pLayerCfg->InputAlpha) & 0x00FFFFFF); hdma2d->Instance->FGCOLR = tmp; 2015-04-07T15:46:55 < mitrax> in some case their tmp var has some garbage in the upper byte... and the STM32 manual clearly says Bits 31:24 Reserved, must be kept at reset value 2015-04-07T15:48:12 < mitrax> that caused blended pixels to have the wrong colors, but only in some case... turns out that tmp variable is used to set the offset in the source bitmap... been driving me crazy for the last 6 hours :) 2015-04-07T15:49:56 < mitrax> was starting to worry that it could be "a silicon bug" ... thank god the hardware guy at ST are more competent than the ones writing the crappy libs :) 2015-04-07T15:50:31 < Steffanx> someone here claimed some ST guy said that the libs werent ( or arent) even finished or at least are a rush job. 2015-04-07T15:50:38 < Steffanx> not sure who said that. 2015-04-07T15:51:48 < mitrax> that's true... what's sad is they don't seem to be fixing / improving them 2015-04-07T15:52:46 < mitrax> i can understand the need to overlook some features if they were in a hurry to release something but it's been 2 years or so since the first release 2015-04-07T15:53:36 < Steffanx> 2 years? That includes it's predecessor the ST peripheral lib? 2015-04-07T15:54:43 < mitrax> no, but its replacement (STM32Cube) has been released about 2 years ago if i'm not mistaken 2015-04-07T15:55:40 < Laurenceb_> the HAL is "outsourced" to one of their "design" centers aiui 2015-04-07T15:56:13 < mitrax> ah 2015-04-07T15:57:30 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xnempvbgrgllncxc] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T16:01:53 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T16:01:54 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T16:05:31 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T16:06:18 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-07T16:17:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T16:21:54 < kakeman> anyone r/c hobbyist here? 2015-04-07T16:23:12 < superbia> ##radiocontrol 2015-04-07T16:23:20 < kakeman> thanks 2015-04-07T16:23:27 < superbia> but beware. trolls lurk there 2015-04-07T16:23:38 < kakeman> most certainly 2015-04-07T16:24:29 < superbia> kakeman: are you going to ask question 2015-04-07T16:24:39 < kakeman> maybe 2015-04-07T16:24:49 < superbia> im sitting there just to see them trollink you 2015-04-07T16:24:51 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKakxxOEwyUG5CQmM&usp=sharing I need to pick servos for this size thing 2015-04-07T16:32:53 -!- Getty [getty@clanid.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-07T16:54:26 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T17:08:06 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x5f77709e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T17:11:44 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f77709e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T17:12:02 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet attn kakeman make sure your IP stack suports this 2015-04-07T17:13:38 < dongs> Tectu: beep 2015-04-07T17:13:51 < dongs> Tectu: < dongs> I bet https://youtu.be/s4lJvNUX34U?t=72 is not running tectuGFX confirm/deny 2015-04-07T17:14:27 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-07T17:14:46 < _Sync_> looks like custom shiet 2015-04-07T17:17:47 < dongs> it is very smooooooth 2015-04-07T17:19:42 < Tectu> dongs, no idea, haven't seen it before 2015-04-07T17:21:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-07T17:26:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-07T17:28:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T17:31:36 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-07T17:32:35 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-07T17:35:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T17:36:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T17:39:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T17:43:48 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-07T17:50:00 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T17:58:37 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-07T18:01:49 < baird> Today's programming: Kittie sealed inside a box.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mVY150aUtU 2015-04-07T18:02:06 < Taxman> has anyone already programmed the F4 SPI in non-dma mode? 2015-04-07T18:03:46 < zyp> uh, sure 2015-04-07T18:03:54 < Taxman> i followed the guide in RM0090 2015-04-07T18:04:19 < Taxman> but i think it can't work with interrupts enabled 2015-04-07T18:04:28 < zyp> of course it can 2015-04-07T18:04:29 < superbia> baird: is that the 5$ launchpad 2015-04-07T18:05:46 < zyp> Taxman, I'm going to venture a guess here, you enable the TXE interrupt when you don't actually have data to send, so you get stuck in a loop handling the TXE 2015-04-07T18:05:47 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T18:05:48 < Taxman> zyp: What if interrupted after second TX byte written to data register? then the SPI receives the first byte, then the second, and when the DR buffer is not cleared in the meantime, a overrun occurs, right? 2015-04-07T18:06:05 < Taxman> i do not use SPI interrupts 2015-04-07T18:06:11 < zyp> oh, right 2015-04-07T18:06:19 < Taxman> but other ints are running, like systick or usart 2015-04-07T18:06:54 < zyp> well, of course you have to service RXNE fast enough 2015-04-07T18:07:11 < Taxman> this cannot guaranteed if any interrupt is enabled 2015-04-07T18:07:22 < Taxman> 42 MHz spi clock is really fast ;) 2015-04-07T18:08:14 < zyp> you're still only getting bytes at 5.25 MHz 2015-04-07T18:08:57 < zyp> and most devices tend to not support that fast SPI clocks anyway, so usually you have plenty of time 2015-04-07T18:09:14 < zyp> if you really need to run it at full speed, that's what DMA is for 2015-04-07T18:09:39 < zyp> (or if you're master, simply slowing down a bit when you're interrupted) 2015-04-07T18:09:58 < zyp> if you're master, you can do flow control 2015-04-07T18:10:07 < zyp> on receive 2015-04-07T18:10:23 < Taxman> mhmm 2015-04-07T18:10:36 < Taxman> i am using spi for flash device 2015-04-07T18:10:44 < Taxman> it can do spi at 108 MHz 2015-04-07T18:11:10 < Taxman> i am struggling at the moment with commands like check_busy or read_signature 2015-04-07T18:13:21 < baird> superbia: yup 2015-04-07T18:13:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-07T18:13:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T18:16:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T18:19:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-07T18:20:14 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-07T18:22:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-07T18:25:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T18:29:10 < superbia> baird: i have that one unpacked somewhere in the closet... can you tell me how much does that display cost 2015-04-07T18:36:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T18:44:06 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-07T18:44:24 < dongs> bedtime 2015-04-07T18:48:29 < baird> It was about $30 when I bought it seperately. I think there was a deal of getting it 'for free' bundled with a newer Launchpad recently. 2015-04-07T18:48:40 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T18:52:42 < superbia> hm. 2015-04-07T18:52:48 < superbia> 2much 2015-04-07T18:53:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T18:53:59 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-07T18:55:54 < baird> For an 96x96 SPI, yeah. But it was plug-and-play with the LP, so it saved a lot of time-wasting hassle for me. 2015-04-07T18:56:45 < baird> Didn't have any Nokia-esque displays around, etc. 2015-04-07T18:57:51 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@dhcp-18-111-112-123.dyn.mit.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T19:00:08 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-215-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has left ##stm32 ["Konversation terminated!"] 2015-04-07T19:00:08 < Taxman> ok, spi is now working 2015-04-07T19:00:19 < superbia> congraz 2015-04-07T19:00:24 < Taxman> no continuous data stream but no overrruns 2015-04-07T19:00:56 < Taxman> when in master mode, did you do NCS with GPIO or by SPI peripheral? 2015-04-07T19:01:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T19:21:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T19:22:44 < Taxman> well, now i switched to hardware NSS control, it works 2015-04-07T19:31:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-07T19:35:59 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwmzqfmjdzeoujrc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-07T19:40:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-07T19:45:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T19:46:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T19:47:02 -!- Jamshoot [kvirc@46.0.99.249] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T19:53:28 < Jamshoot> Hello. I try to connect some darlington (uln2003a) to mine devboard and got a problem. Does ground pin should always been connected to stm32? 2015-04-07T19:56:39 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T20:07:39 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-07T20:16:32 < karlp> nah, stm32 lets you fly, never put your feet down again 2015-04-07T20:21:24 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T20:22:55 < superbia> karlp: like this http://stonerdays.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/HIGH-TILL-I-DIE.jpg ??? 2015-04-07T20:28:01 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-07T20:29:19 < Tectu> 10ppm crystal should be sane enought for a living room clock, no? http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/ECS/ECS-327-125-17X-C-TR/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsBj6bBr9Q9aT5UmOL%252b7ji2fV3nug6AZdk%3d 2015-04-07T20:30:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-60-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-07T20:30:07 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T20:32:54 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@dhcp-18-111-112-123.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-07T20:34:16 < PeterM> Tectu, 10ppm is about 5 and a half minutes a year if there is no drift 2015-04-07T20:34:56 < PeterM> but usually it drifts up and down adn over the course of a year they cancel each other out mostly 2015-04-07T20:36:29 < Tectu> PeterM, not sure if I should go for a 8$ TCXO or not 2015-04-07T20:37:19 < Tectu> 5ppm tcxo for 8$ http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/AVX/KR3225Y32768EAW30TAA/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt8oz%2fHeiymAFQDegnDO61jN7wUajtg4vg%3d 2015-04-07T20:38:17 < gxti> only you can determine the level of drift you are willing to accept. 2015-04-07T20:38:22 < PeterM> Tectu, do you have daylight saving time there? if so it doesnt matter because you already adjust the clock twice a year 2015-04-07T20:38:39 < Tectu> PeterM, yes we do 2015-04-07T20:41:14 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-07T20:41:45 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T20:42:04 < englishman> Tectu: just add esp8266 and have it pull internet time 2015-04-07T20:42:13 < englishman> this is 2015 after all 2015-04-07T20:45:37 < Steffanx> IoT -_- 2015-04-07T20:45:43 < PeterM> englishman nah fuck that, maybe a gps module but nah 2015-04-07T20:45:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.207] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T20:46:06 < qyx_> dcf77! 2015-04-07T20:46:18 < Steffanx> that works deep inside te swiss mountains? 2015-04-07T20:46:35 < qyx_> meh 2015-04-07T20:46:40 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-148.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T20:46:41 < englishman> my country broadcasts time on shortwave as well 2015-04-07T20:46:44 < englishman> could use that 2015-04-07T20:46:45 < englishman> :) 2015-04-07T20:47:04 < qyx_> just one sdr is enough 2015-04-07T20:47:12 < qyx_> with software defined antenna! 2015-04-07T20:49:30 < PeterM> put 10ppm in, forget. just adjust with DST. 2015-04-07T20:52:23 < englishman> im sure the swiss adjust clocks every day anyway 2015-04-07T20:52:41 < gxti> and software defined display 2015-04-07T20:52:58 < gxti> and software defined cpu? 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i'm thinking of breaking out the jtag pins to testpoints or a classical JTAG connector, is there a different/better way? 2015-04-07T23:08:42 < effractur> swd 2015-04-07T23:11:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-07T23:12:24 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T23:12:49 < yan_> effractur: is that covered in their prog manual/data sheet? i only see references to which pin swdio/swclk are 2015-04-07T23:14:30 < effractur> proly i don't have a link 2015-04-07T23:14:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T23:15:14 < yan_> effractur: in general though, SWD would let me both program and debug, right? 2015-04-07T23:15:36 < effractur> yes 2015-04-07T23:15:44 < effractur> http://arm.com/products/system-ip/debug-trace/coresight-soc-components/serial-wire-debug.php 2015-04-07T23:17:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-07T23:18:11 < PaulFertser> Also, you can get ITM and ETM data with SWD/SWO. 2015-04-07T23:31:15 < yan_> hm looks like according to the hardware dev app note i just need to break out pins PA13/PA14 2015-04-07T23:32:03 < karlp> don't forget ground... 2015-04-07T23:32:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-07T23:34:08 < yan_> karlp: ah yeah, i'll have the whole board vcc/vdd broken out to a header as well 2015-04-07T23:37:29 < yan_> ok cool, found the reference schematic that includes JTAG conenctor.. going to replace JTAG connector with SWD and bypass the JTAG pulldowns.. speaking of, anyone know if having HSE/LSE oscillators increases power consumption for low power modes? 2015-04-07T23:38:03 < karlp> there's a handy page in the L1 datahseete that lists those figures for you :) 2015-04-07T23:38:27 < qyx_> and they can be powered off too if it is a concern 2015-04-07T23:42:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] --- Day changed Wed Apr 08 2015 2015-04-08T00:04:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-08T00:04:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-08T00:06:12 < yan_> anyone have experience using some low-iq TI LDOs (like TPS780xx) to power their MCU+other ICs? it looks perfect (500nA iq) and should be able to handle 150ma, but i'm concerned about noise 2015-04-08T00:10:18 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhmnnnwpvqtgkxpo] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T00:21:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-08T00:23:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T00:28:21 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1363754907/brick-lamp-reveal-the-light lol 2015-04-08T00:29:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T00:32:35 < dongs> "www.DDoSClub.com - 50Gbps ,Dedicated Servers, Sleek and Unique UI, Latest Methods" 2015-04-08T00:33:38 < englishman> heres one dongs 2015-04-08T00:33:39 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1783883860/unitfi-development 2015-04-08T00:33:52 < englishman> "i can't say what this will do exactly" 2015-04-08T00:37:36 < emeb> No pictures - can't be real 2015-04-08T00:40:35 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Kb4oBpH.jpg 2015-04-08T00:41:02 < Tectu> zyp, dongs, anybody around? 2015-04-08T00:41:50 < zyp> sup? 2015-04-08T00:42:07 < Tectu> zyp, STM32F102CB needs series resistors in USB_DP and USB_DM lines, right? 2015-04-08T00:42:11 < Tectu> 24ohms that was? 2015-04-08T00:42:15 < zyp> 22 2015-04-08T00:42:45 < englishman> does it really need them 2015-04-08T00:43:52 < Tectu> zyp, and on device side I keep that magic pin Nr. 4 (ID) open, right? 2015-04-08T00:44:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-acf970d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T00:45:12 < zyp> uh, that's a cable thing 2015-04-08T00:45:33 < zyp> but yeah, you have nowhere to connect it as F1 isn't OTG capable 2015-04-08T00:49:43 < Tectu> thanks zyp 2015-04-08T00:52:59 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-08T00:56:22 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@dhcp-18-111-112-123.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-08T00:59:51 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-08T00:59:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T01:00:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-08T01:06:52 < dongs> englishman: dat USB footprint 2015-04-08T01:11:45 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.38.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-08T01:13:56 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-148.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-08T01:16:11 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-08T01:16:40 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:591d:b93:dd5:54b6] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T01:24:18 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-08T01:31:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-08T01:36:38 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-08T01:41:38 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-08T01:49:15 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-08T01:53:17 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T01:55:47 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:591d:b93:dd5:54b6] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-04-08T01:57:28 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:591d:b93:dd5:54b6] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T02:04:08 < dongs> http://www.neowin.net/news/here039s-what-happens-when-you-plug-a-surface-3-into-itself 2015-04-08T02:05:02 < emeb> awesome 2015-04-08T02:05:11 < emeb> perpetual motion doesn't work apparently 2015-04-08T02:05:36 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-08T02:06:05 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxldxcmyeuvinqow] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T02:08:02 < kakeman> it's propably looping at 500mA 2015-04-08T02:08:24 < kakeman> boosting it up and stepping it down 2015-04-08T02:09:57 < kakeman> OS checks battery voltage going down and says nein 2015-04-08T02:13:58 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T02:16:48 < dongs> ur a boost 2015-04-08T02:17:56 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-08T02:18:16 < kakeman> this day sucks 2015-04-08T02:18:31 < dongs> im supposed to assembly zyp's trash today 2015-04-08T02:18:44 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T02:19:57 < kakeman> when I went to sleep I was like "tommorow is great day. I feel great. I'm going to do things for certain." 2015-04-08T02:22:03 < kakeman> other people had things for me for whole day as if they knew my motivation was getting right 2015-04-08T02:23:43 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T02:23:59 < kakeman> there is no direction to vent this.. 2015-04-08T02:25:41 < kakeman> better stay non-motivated 2015-04-08T02:28:51 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-1-157.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-08T02:37:03 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:591d:b93:dd5:54b6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T02:42:53 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-08T02:50:04 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:85ce:1152:d937:f1be] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T03:12:53 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:85ce:1152:d937:f1be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T03:13:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-08T03:18:41 -!- kakeman is now known as kakimir 2015-04-08T03:22:14 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f77709e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-08T03:34:39 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0acdde.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T03:45:59 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhmnnnwpvqtgkxpo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-08T03:48:19 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:8d39:c1e3:2f0c:b561] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T03:54:24 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-215-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T04:02:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-08T04:09:36 < emeb> nm 2015-04-08T04:18:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T04:34:32 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-08T04:44:46 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:8d39:c1e3:2f0c:b561] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-08T04:45:25 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-08T04:47:31 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:8d39:c1e3:2f0c:b561] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T04:48:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-08T04:53:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T05:00:22 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufxrpebgzztvtcfa] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-08T05:01:49 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-08T05:02:19 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-08T05:03:31 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T05:09:18 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T05:14:33 -!- sfabris [sid35285@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sptnxznfcllyqzqb] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T05:53:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T05:53:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-08T05:53:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:08:10 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:8d39:c1e3:2f0c:b561] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2015-04-08T06:14:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:17:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iOeBFja.jpg lets see china do this silk 2015-04-08T06:20:53 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-08T06:22:48 < emeb_mac> dafuq is dat? 2015-04-08T06:23:29 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:24:29 < dongs> silk? anniemay. board? some random display crap 2015-04-08T06:25:13 < englishman> nice 2015-04-08T06:25:51 < emeb_mac> the logo - some sort of teapot? 2015-04-08T06:26:27 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-08T06:26:33 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:28:53 < baird> Turn to the left, Miss Jane. 2015-04-08T06:29:11 < dongs> ^ 2015-04-08T06:29:35 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-08T06:29:58 < dongs> not much. feeling extremely unproductive 2015-04-08T06:30:46 < dongs> its the assburgers 2015-04-08T06:41:18 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:51:25 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-08T06:55:06 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:55:45 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edyhxhupunuynytb] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T06:57:51 -!- DanteA [~X@host-240-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T07:08:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-08T07:09:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T07:12:35 < dongs> good 2015-04-08T07:15:43 < dongs> 3A limit is kinda gay but 2015-04-08T07:16:14 < dongs> like 30V/3A is OK, but I kinda expect to be able to do at least 15A @ 5V 2015-04-08T07:16:22 < dongs> but they limit it all at 3A everywehre 2015-04-08T07:17:49 < dongs> i like the measurement stuff on riglol. 2015-04-08T07:18:19 < dongs> no, i mean on the power supply 2015-04-08T07:18:35 < dongs> the shit it replaced had analog dials for settings and very inaccurate volt/ampmeter. 2015-04-08T07:50:45 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:00:39 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-08T08:03:14 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:08:56 -!- DanteA [~X@host-240-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-08T08:13:08 -!- DanteA [~X@host-240-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:20:48 -!- DanteA [~X@host-240-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T08:25:11 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-08T08:28:23 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:34:33 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T08:36:38 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:37:08 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-08T08:39:18 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:44:43 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Quit: brb rebooting] 2015-04-08T08:50:50 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:51:50 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:55:03 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T08:56:57 < ReadError> im happy with mine 2015-04-08T08:57:09 < ReadError> having 3 outputs is handy 2015-04-08T09:03:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-08T09:04:32 < Simon--> I'm still using a DPS-1512M ;) 2015-04-08T09:04:44 < PeterM> it's nice, but you gotta understand its limits - i've got a high current smps one i use for high power stuff, and use the riglol for more precision stuff 2015-04-08T09:05:59 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edyhxhupunuynytb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-08T09:06:37 < PeterM> Simon--, is that a linear unit? 2015-04-08T09:06:51 < Simon--> http://pics.ricardostatic.ch/ImgUsers/2/7/742/74232/7423222/742322274_3_Big.jpg 2015-04-08T09:06:57 < Simon--> yup 2015-04-08T09:07:37 < Simon--> hehe 2015-04-08T09:08:05 < ReadError> dongs my friend 2015-04-08T09:08:34 < ReadError> do you have illustrator and solidworks? 2015-04-08T09:10:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.136] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T09:11:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T09:18:40 < dongs> i dont have soliddongs no 2015-04-08T09:20:53 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-08T09:31:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T09:35:39 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T09:39:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-98-116-183.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-08T09:41:57 < dongs> pal came up with this groundbreaking idea 2015-04-08T09:42:10 < dongs> gravity compensation for 10mhz audiophile reference clocks 2015-04-08T09:42:28 < dongs> nobody has done it yet 2015-04-08T09:43:35 < jadew> lol 2015-04-08T09:43:38 < jadew> 10k a pop 2015-04-08T09:44:20 < dongs> 10k? pssh 2015-04-08T09:44:25 < dongs> normal ones cost 10k 2015-04-08T09:44:33 < dongs> gravity compensated shit would need to be at leat 2-3x more 2015-04-08T09:44:38 < jadew> really? 2015-04-08T09:44:42 < dongs> yes 2015-04-08T09:44:58 < jadew> ffs... some people must be really stupid 2015-04-08T09:45:04 < dongs> http://antelopestore.com/high-end-converters-and-preamps/audiophile-10m-atomic-clock.html 2015-04-08T09:45:09 < dongs> $10k right theer 2015-04-08T09:45:28 < dongs> BEST SOUNDING CLOCK 2015-04-08T09:45:49 < jadew> lol 2015-04-08T09:45:57 < jadew> it actually says that 2015-04-08T09:46:00 < dongs> yes 2015-04-08T09:46:15 < dongs> virtually zero jitter 2015-04-08T09:46:37 < dongs> All aspects of your sound will benefit - staging and imaging will become pin-sharp, and spectral separation and depth will gain clarity, detail, and range. The result will be the analogue immersion, dynamics, and detail that you always wished for. 2015-04-08T09:47:13 < PeterM> i love the sound of 10mhz in the morning... it sounds like... 30 meters of bullshit 2015-04-08T09:47:16 < jadew> do that stuff means anything to anyone? 2015-04-08T09:47:43 < jadew> nice PeterM 2015-04-08T09:48:44 < dongs> my morning poop is wider and more solid 2015-04-08T09:48:46 < dongs> thanks to antelope audio 2015-04-08T09:48:57 < dongs> with crisp transients and a 3D depth of field 2015-04-08T09:49:08 < GargantuaSauce> copious and full-bodied analog warmth 2015-04-08T09:49:24 < PeterM> anal log warmth 2015-04-08T09:49:34 < PeterM> my morning poop is wider and more solid 2015-04-08T09:49:42 < dongs> haha 2015-04-08T09:50:33 < dongs> irl lollin' here. 2015-04-08T09:51:45 < Viper168> I had leopard print poop a month or so ago, that was a new one to me 2015-04-08T09:54:30 < jadew> looks like you might end up getting about 0.1 Hz drift from a 400 Hz tone if your crystal oscillator goes through temperatures 100 degrees appart 2015-04-08T09:54:50 < jadew> so I guess this deffinitely asks for a rubidium freq. std. 2015-04-08T09:55:23 < jadew> that's celsius degrees, don't know how farhrenheit works 2015-04-08T09:55:44 < jadew> *fahrenheit 2015-04-08T10:00:57 < dongs> .. or a tcxo 2015-04-08T10:01:36 < GargantuaSauce> cesium clock has a wider soundstage 2015-04-08T10:01:42 < jadew> heh 2015-04-08T10:02:05 < dongs> jadew: forget temperature changes tho. gravity is where it's at 2015-04-08T10:02:16 < jadew> haha 2015-04-08T10:02:19 < jadew> yeah 2015-04-08T10:02:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.136] has quit [] 2015-04-08T10:03:03 < PeterM> dongs to compensate gravity you need to apply a constant force on it, so make a mini centrifuge for the crystal 2015-04-08T10:03:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.136] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T10:03:33 < PeterM> or just a fullsize centrifuge 2015-04-08T10:04:13 < PeterM> or just tell them you made a centrifuge and put magic rocks in it instead 2015-04-08T10:05:48 < dongs> PeterM: no 2015-04-08T10:05:57 < dongs> youre not thinking outside the box 2015-04-08T10:06:06 < dongs> you put accelerometer in it 2015-04-08T10:06:13 < dongs> make them calibrate it sitting on every edge 2015-04-08T10:06:18 < dongs> then use a variable capacitor for the load caps 2015-04-08T10:06:27 < dongs> and adjust the bias 2015-04-08T10:06:32 < dongs> depending on the orientation 2015-04-08T10:08:14 < PeterM> "why is your sound system running baseflight?" "hurr durr it's to calibate the exceleromomiters" 2015-04-08T10:08:43 < jadew> you can then improve on it by adding gravity filters, which filter the noise induced by fluctuations in gravity 2015-04-08T10:09:01 < dongs> when moon gets closer to earth? 2015-04-08T10:09:30 < jadew> no, that's too low frequency so the accelerator should take care of it 2015-04-08T10:09:35 < PeterM> and for distance from the sun, and have firmware updats for passing asteroids and shit 2015-04-08T10:09:50 < jadew> very small fluctuations that probably can't even be measured 2015-04-08T10:09:59 < jadew> (I don't know if they even exist) 2015-04-08T10:10:02 < PeterM> audiofools would be like "this is amazing customer supports" 2015-04-08T10:10:04 < jadew> so that's a good selling point 2015-04-08T10:10:23 < PeterM> yeah, the customer is supporting my family 2015-04-08T10:10:24 < jadew> lol @ passing asteroids 2015-04-08T10:13:40 < jadew> you know what you could do, give up on rubidium and use GPS locked OCXOs and say they're synced to the caesium (better than rubidium) atomic clocks that are used in sattelites - that will show those antelope guys 2015-04-08T10:17:26 < PeterM> holy shit,i just cleaned my sun glasses with IPA, i thought iut had dried but they were still giving off some fumes, my eyes are watering now. 2015-04-08T10:18:08 < jadew> IPA - is that in the same family with acetone? 2015-04-08T10:18:23 < PeterM> no 2015-04-08T10:19:21 < jadew> smells like acetone tho? 2015-04-08T10:19:37 < jadew> "Isopropyl alcohol can be oxidized to acetone" 2015-04-08T10:19:45 < jadew> that's from the wiki 2015-04-08T10:20:08 < jadew> doesn't it attack plastic? 2015-04-08T10:21:15 < jpa-> nope, does not 2015-04-08T10:21:21 < jpa-> it does smell, but not like acetone 2015-04-08T10:22:17 < jadew> I think I got a bottle a few years back but never used it 2015-04-08T10:22:21 < jpa-> and it does not oxidize to acetone by itself, needs a catalyst 2015-04-08T10:22:34 < jpa-> what do you use to clean flux if not IPA? 2015-04-08T10:22:39 < jadew> acetone 2015-04-08T10:22:50 < jpa-> that definitely does attack plastic and harm plastic parts 2015-04-08T10:23:02 < jpa-> also more toxic than IPA 2015-04-08T10:23:08 < PeterM> ethyl-acetate is pretty good to 2015-04-08T10:23:09 < jadew> didn't know that 2015-04-08T10:23:13 < PeterM> too 2015-04-08T10:24:54 < PeterM> nmmot only is it reasonably non toxic and cheap, it also smells pretty damn good 2015-04-08T10:25:43 < jpa-> PeterM: hmm, interesting 2015-04-08T10:26:42 < jadew> which of these chemicals can clean tonner the best tho? 2015-04-08T10:26:51 < jpa-> acetone 2015-04-08T10:27:05 < jpa-> i haven't found anything else that removes toner well 2015-04-08T10:27:10 < jadew> hoped there'd be something better 2015-04-08T10:27:43 < jadew> ethyl acetate - for flux, eh? 2015-04-08T10:27:50 < jpa-> PeterM: where do you get ethyl-acetate? i buy IPA as "gasoline anti-freeze" 2015-04-08T10:28:06 < jadew> was going to ask my wife if she knows where to get it from 2015-04-08T10:28:55 < PeterM> jpa- i bought it from a lab prep store 2015-04-08T10:29:01 < PeterM> was cheap 2015-04-08T10:29:11 < PeterM> $1/L or something 2015-04-08T10:29:46 < jpa-> hm, all lab chemical suppliers around here are crazy expensive in small quantities 2015-04-08T10:30:08 < PeterM> i only bought 25L to get that price so *shrugs* 2015-04-08T10:30:40 < jpa-> yeah, have to look around 2015-04-08T10:31:14 < jpa-> i wonder if i'm already on some list for looking up the ingredients / MSDS of every chemical bottle in the local hardware store :P 2015-04-08T10:31:25 < PeterM> other solvents that may work for getting rid of toner include toluline and butanone (methyl ethyl ketone), both of these are more nasty than anythign listed before 2015-04-08T10:32:00 < jpa-> yeah, acetone is still pretty friendly if you have a ventilated workspace 2015-04-08T10:32:43 < PeterM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanone#Applications 2015-04-08T10:35:05 < dongs> i use proper shit 2015-04-08T10:35:06 < dongs> flux cleaner 2015-04-08T10:35:22 < jpa-> which is what? 2015-04-08T10:35:45 < jadew> acetone 2015-04-08T10:36:22 < jpa-> http://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-4140-Remover-Boards/dp/B008UH3RDM#product-description-iframe this is apparently etanol, isopropanol and ethyl-acetate 2015-04-08T10:36:48 < dongs> http://www.sunhayato.co.jp/dcms_media/other/FL-300_m104j.pdf 2015-04-08T10:37:28 < PeterM> glorious nippon flux cleaner. cut flux from board with one swift strike. 2015-04-08T10:38:21 < jpa-> such many chemicals 2015-04-08T10:38:29 < jpa-> i wonder if it is really any better than plain IPA 2015-04-08T10:39:09 < jpa-> also spray => probably costs a ton and bottle is empty after 10 boards 2015-04-08T10:39:47 < dongs> only $12 2015-04-08T10:40:17 < jpa-> for 300ml? lols 2015-04-08T10:40:47 < dongs> i have no idea how long it lasts but I use it for cleaning random shit once and a while and probly get a new bottle every 6 months or so 2015-04-08T10:41:15 < jpa-> i pay 1.50 EUR for 1 litre bottle of IPA 2015-04-08T10:41:47 * jadew needs to get on the IPA bandwagon 2015-04-08T10:41:59 < PeterM> [Ethanol] [1 methoxy 2 propanol] [1-Propanol] [Cyclohexane, methyl-] [Ethane, 1,1'-oxybis[2-methoxy-,] [Methane, oxybis-] + Propane or Butane propellant 2015-04-08T10:58:35 < dongs> zano updates almost ground to a halt 2015-04-08T10:58:44 < dongs> i guess its really hard to fake a flying video from something that doeesnt fly 2015-04-08T10:58:45 < dongs> lolo 2015-04-08T11:04:01 < jpa-> nah, they are just building up the excitement 2015-04-08T11:04:10 < jpa-> so that you'll be like total amaze when it flies 2015-04-08T11:05:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:05:39 < dongs> they cane make it fly 2015-04-08T11:05:53 < dongs> er 2015-04-08T11:05:53 < dongs> cant 2015-04-08T11:14:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T11:15:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:20:58 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:28:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-08T11:29:25 < jadew> man... tme sucks when it comes to shipping stuff 2015-04-08T11:29:55 < jadew> if you place your order past 3 or 4 am, they ship it the next day 2015-04-08T11:30:38 < jadew> like when they come to work at 9 am, the order you placed a few hours back is invisible to them 2015-04-08T11:31:46 < jadew> farnell on the other hand has something like "if you buy before 6 pm, we ship it the same day" 2015-04-08T11:33:00 < jadew> and odds are you'll get it the next day 2015-04-08T11:33:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-08T11:33:14 < jadew> wit TME is day of the shipping + transit day + delivery day 2015-04-08T11:33:18 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-njjnptlgqavlmzou] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:33:37 < jadew> so if you place your order after 4 am, it's that day + shipping day + transit day + delivery day 2015-04-08T11:33:53 < jadew> and what makes this even worse is that TME is much much closer to me than farnell 2015-04-08T11:34:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T11:36:20 < jadew> the french couriers also suck ass 2015-04-08T11:36:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:36:34 < jadew> regular post is faster than their couriers 2015-04-08T11:37:52 < jadew> I ordered some shit from france 9 days ago - it's in some hub and hasn't moved for 4 days 2015-04-08T11:38:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:38:29 < jadew> after a few days I bought some accessories for that thing, from UK - so further away from me - via regular post. That shit arrived already 2015-04-08T11:38:33 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:43:52 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T11:45:49 < Viper168> jadew, yeah customs for some places especially can be a bitch 2015-04-08T11:46:04 < jadew> there are no customs within the EU 2015-04-08T11:46:31 < jadew> they just suck 2015-04-08T11:47:01 < jadew> I got a package in 4 days from china 2015-04-08T11:47:02 < Viper168> that's odd, because I've heard of customs in a lot of european countries at least for incoming mail 2015-04-08T11:47:16 < jadew> Viper168, if they come from outside of the EU 2015-04-08T11:47:27 < jadew> the package for china had to go through customs 2015-04-08T11:47:38 < Viper168> oh, are you inside the EU? 2015-04-08T11:47:42 < jadew> yeah 2015-04-08T11:47:53 < Viper168> ok, gotcha 2015-04-08T12:10:05 < dongs> fuck 2015-04-08T12:10:09 < dongs> altidong is making me PLEASE WAIT A MOMENT 2015-04-08T12:10:37 < ReadError> use a real design tool like KICAD 2015-04-08T12:19:17 < PeterM> yeah nah fuck off 2015-04-08T12:20:07 < jadew> is there any EDA tool that can spit out microstrip capacitors of the needed value? 2015-04-08T12:20:16 < jadew> and inductors 2015-04-08T12:21:42 < mumptai> awr microwave office 2015-04-08T12:23:14 < jadew> I know about it but I bet it's super expensive 2015-04-08T12:23:24 < mumptai> it is 2015-04-08T12:31:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.136] has quit [] 2015-04-08T12:31:25 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T12:35:12 < jpa-> hello Tectu 2015-04-08T12:36:12 < Tectu> Hi jpa- 2015-04-08T12:36:14 < Tectu> how is it going? 2015-04-08T12:36:33 < jpa-> lazy 2015-04-08T12:37:01 < Tectu> good, so everything normal 2015-04-08T12:37:02 < jpa-> had to write yet another custom display list renderer 2015-04-08T12:37:12 < Tectu> how comes? 2015-04-08T12:37:33 < jpa-> handling 1200x825 pixels at 7 FPS on 72 MHz cpu is a bit tight 2015-04-08T12:38:20 < jpa-> i'd have enough RAM for framebuffer, but it is external (FSMC) so would be too slow 2015-04-08T12:39:47 < Tectu> sounds like a lot of fun 2015-04-08T12:40:03 < jpa-> it was quite fun actually 2015-04-08T12:40:11 < Tectu> is that eInk magic? 2015-04-08T12:40:12 < jpa-> though only need to render bitmap sprites, so quite trivial 2015-04-08T12:40:58 < jpa-> yeah 2015-04-08T12:41:05 < Tectu> most things are trivial for you 2015-04-08T12:41:18 < jpa-> except trivial things, they are plenty hard 2015-04-08T12:41:44 < Tectu> uGFX now kinda runs on an 8-bit mcu with 2kB RAM 2015-04-08T12:41:52 < Tectu> (the full thing, not just GDISP) 2015-04-08T12:46:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T13:04:44 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxldxcmyeuvinqow] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-08T13:05:08 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-08T13:05:15 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T13:06:10 -!- akawolf [~akawolf@188.162.64.5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T13:06:28 -!- akawolf is now known as MyTestNick 2015-04-08T13:14:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T13:18:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T13:54:31 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T14:05:54 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-08T14:36:14 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T14:42:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T14:51:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T14:56:12 -!- DanteA [~X@host-124-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-08T15:00:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T15:05:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has quit [] 2015-04-08T15:06:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T15:23:12 < jadew> well, looks like you can't put a pin on a 0603 2015-04-08T15:23:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T15:23:57 < jadew> the smallest ammount of strain and it comes off with the entire metal part of the component 2015-04-08T15:28:06 < zyp> well, you could reinforce the area around it with glue 2015-04-08T15:28:40 < jadew> it wouldn't be too reliable 2015-04-08T15:28:56 < jadew> I really didn't have to tilt the pin much in order for the whole thing to break 2015-04-08T15:29:44 < jadew> it would have to be something extremely rigid 2015-04-08T15:30:08 < zyp> epoxy? 2015-04-08T15:33:25 < jadew> never used it, don't know 2015-04-08T15:35:04 < englishman> i dont think that whatever you're doing is going to end up very reliable 2015-04-08T15:35:52 < englishman> can you take signal somwehere else with a wire, that you can securely affix a pin 2015-04-08T15:36:20 < jadew> englishman, I'm trying to make a probe and that would have been its tip 2015-04-08T15:36:24 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T15:36:32 < jadew> I guess I'll just have to make a tiny board for the cap and the pin 2015-04-08T15:38:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T15:43:41 < Laurenceb_> wtf are you trying to do? 2015-04-08T15:44:18 < jadew> a ghetto high frequency probe 2015-04-08T15:44:28 < Laurenceb_> ah 2015-04-08T15:44:43 < Laurenceb_> aint nobody got time fo dat 2015-04-08T15:47:16 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T15:47:52 < jadew> already have another ghetto one: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/T9oc6.png 2015-04-08T15:47:59 < jadew> but it's different construction 2015-04-08T15:48:16 < jadew> and I was hoping for a flatter response 2015-04-08T15:50:07 < Laurenceb_> how are you testing this? 2015-04-08T15:50:21 < jadew> SA + tracking generator 2015-04-08T15:50:52 < jadew> the flattness doesn't matter much, since you can normalize, but it sucks to have to re-calibrate each time you change the span 2015-04-08T15:52:36 < jadew> it's surprising how well the one I showed you is doing, considering it's made witha THT resistor 2015-04-08T15:54:05 < jadew> reading with the probe: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/XtUpV.png 2015-04-08T15:54:07 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-08T15:54:25 < jadew> reading with straight connection: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/1Pgd4.png 2015-04-08T15:54:36 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T16:05:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T16:06:40 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@1.152.96.231] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T16:28:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-08T16:28:22 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@1.152.96.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-08T16:28:49 < dongs> sup 2015-04-08T16:28:51 < dongs> you guys still 2015-04-08T16:28:53 < dongs> talking 2015-04-08T16:28:56 < dongs> about flatter response 2015-04-08T16:28:58 < dongs> and wider soundstages 2015-04-08T16:29:31 < superbia> sup maker 2015-04-08T16:29:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T16:29:40 < dongs> im innovating 2015-04-08T16:29:44 < Steffanx> innovator 2015-04-08T16:29:47 < jadew> we moved on, I did enjoy myself reading about awesome audio cables tho 2015-04-08T16:29:47 < Steffanx> (tm) 2015-04-08T16:29:58 < jadew> I do that every once in a while to have a chuckle 2015-04-08T16:30:15 < superbia> any new blogs? 2015-04-08T16:31:07 < dongs> im currently working on gravity-corrected arduino-based gps-satellite-referenced 10MHz audiophile clock source. 2015-04-08T16:31:33 < dongs> just need to finish doing some renders in sketchup and ready to dickstart 2015-04-08T16:31:36 < dongs> hdont need to make hardware 2015-04-08T16:31:39 < Steffanx> finished the ks project page yet? 2015-04-08T16:32:49 < Steffanx> Still no, stm32f7 discovery, why ST is so slow? 2015-04-08T16:33:38 < dongs> i recall it took them a while to get f423 or wahtever discovery with lcd + sdram out too 2015-04-08T16:33:55 < jadew> they came out with stm32f7? 2015-04-08T16:34:04 < dongs> ya 2015-04-08T16:34:04 < Steffanx> it's still in preview,but yes 2015-04-08T16:34:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T16:34:18 < jadew> with docs and shit? 2015-04-08T16:34:33 < jadew> they told me they can't give me any info on it.. like 2 months ago 2015-04-08T16:34:37 < superbia> when will it be availablye 2015-04-08T16:34:44 < superbia> to purchase 2015-04-08T16:34:47 < Steffanx> no reference manual yet, jadew 2015-04-08T16:34:51 < Steffanx> so no real docs 2015-04-08T16:34:56 < jadew> ah 2015-04-08T16:34:57 < dongs> i bet ntfreak has it 2015-04-08T16:35:06 < dongs> he's just a couple levels below clive1 2015-04-08T16:35:12 < Steffanx> they say Q2/2015 2015-04-08T16:35:25 < dongs> Q2/2015 if you buy 100k 2015-04-08T16:35:26 < dongs> today. 2015-04-08T16:35:30 < superbia> will it beat atmel? 2015-04-08T16:35:31 < Steffanx> for series production 2015-04-08T16:35:50 < Steffanx> clockwise speed? Probably not, peripheral wise.. of course :P 2015-04-08T16:35:58 < Steffanx> *clockspeed wise 2015-04-08T16:35:59 < jadew> superbia, atmel didn't come out with their version either, did they? 2015-04-08T16:37:29 < dongs> atmel keeps copypasting those garabge peripherals from atmega8 2015-04-08T16:37:35 < dongs> into thier arm shit 2015-04-08T16:37:41 < dongs> 400ksps ADC, get teh fuck out 2015-04-08T16:37:41 < jadew> but they're awesome 2015-04-08T16:37:45 < jadew> ah 2015-04-08T16:37:47 < jadew> taht 2015-04-08T16:37:52 < dongs> and otehr shit too 2015-04-08T16:37:52 < jadew> the other stuff is great 2015-04-08T16:38:00 < dongs> the timers are garbage 2015-04-08T16:38:02 < jadew> much better than st's 2015-04-08T16:38:09 < dongs> wut 2015-04-08T16:38:16 < dongs> dont forget ST's amazing i2c 2015-04-08T16:38:20 < dongs> atmel cant beat that 2015-04-08T16:38:22 < superbia> troll 2015-04-08T16:38:28 < Steffanx> atmel doesn't do i2c, they do TWI 2015-04-08T16:39:06 < jadew> I wonder how much they're saving by naming it TWI 2015-04-08T16:42:46 < scummos> I wonder how much is paid in licenses to call things "i2c" 2015-04-08T16:43:17 < jadew> whatever it is, if I were Atmel, I wouldn't pay it either 2015-04-08T16:43:39 < scummos> I would pay five dollars a year 2015-04-08T16:43:39 < jadew> being such a big company has the advantage that you can call things whatever you like and it catches on 2015-04-08T16:43:46 < dongs> thats why youre sitting here writing shitty opensores software instead of swimming in cash!!111 2015-04-08T16:43:51 < scummos> xD 2015-04-08T16:44:10 < Steffanx> where's your private yet dongs? 2015-04-08T16:44:16 < Steffanx> can you fly me to japan or sometjing? 2015-04-08T16:44:24 < scummos> stolen by opensores developers 2015-04-08T16:44:54 < dongs> parking for private jets in japan is kinda shitty 2015-04-08T16:45:17 < scummos> parking for private jets is kinda shitty in general I imagine 2015-04-08T16:45:18 < Steffanx> no mountains in japan to park jets? 2015-04-08T16:45:31 < zyp> japan doesn't have much GA at all, does it? 2015-04-08T16:45:32 < scummos> irreversible parking 2015-04-08T16:45:43 < dongs> zyp, i see some pipers flying overheard sometiems 2015-04-08T16:45:47 < dongs> rarely thio 2015-04-08T16:45:47 < superbia> what would u do in japan... 2015-04-08T16:45:52 < scummos> instant disassembly parking 2015-04-08T16:46:03 < Steffanx> visit dongs, what else superbia? 2015-04-08T16:46:10 < scummos> no, wait: "rapid disassembly parking" 2015-04-08T16:46:14 < scummos> that is my new product 2015-04-08T16:46:16 < dongs> zyp refused my visit offer 2015-04-08T16:46:19 < Steffanx> maybe the jet can make a stop in romania for you 2015-04-08T16:46:21 < zyp> aww 2015-04-08T16:46:22 < superbia> who the fuck would do that 2015-04-08T16:46:46 < superbia> Steffanx: if we make an airport 2015-04-08T16:46:53 < zyp> dongs, maybe I'll have time to drop by this summer, I just bought plane tickets :p 2015-04-08T16:46:59 < jadew> superbia, you're from romania? 2015-04-08T16:47:08 < superbia> jadew: jes 2015-04-08T16:47:12 < Steffanx> his friend ranewen is from romania too 2015-04-08T16:47:12 < jadew> ^5 2015-04-08T16:47:20 < dongs> haha 2015-04-08T16:47:25 < dongs> where's beaky from 2015-04-08T16:47:34 < Steffanx> arabia 2015-04-08T16:47:38 < Steffanx> or some where there 2015-04-08T16:47:43 < Steffanx> GAE 2015-04-08T16:47:48 < Laurenceb_> an abandoned badger set at the bottom of my garden 2015-04-08T16:47:53 < dongs> gay arab emurates? 2015-04-08T16:48:59 < Steffanx> never been there so can't tell 2015-04-08T16:49:00 < superbia> id like to visit saigon/bankok 2015-04-08T16:49:12 < Laurenceb_> for ladyboys? 2015-04-08T16:49:21 < superbia> for audiophile experience 2015-04-08T16:49:36 < Laurenceb_> thats even more embarrassing 2015-04-08T16:49:50 < Steffanx> rice paper <3 2015-04-08T16:49:51 < jadew> I'd like to visit japan and china and then the less fortunate part of asia 2015-04-08T16:49:59 < dongs> aids 2015-04-08T16:50:47 < Steffanx> there is a solution for that jadew. Start some random ks project and get some cash 2015-04-08T16:50:57 < Steffanx> and make a reason to go there 2015-04-08T16:51:02 < Steffanx> like fake fabs 2015-04-08T16:51:22 < dongs> fuck 2015-04-08T16:51:26 < jadew> sounds like a plan 2015-04-08T16:51:28 < dongs> i hate wahtever grid altidong starts with by default 2015-04-08T16:51:30 < dongs> its not metric 2015-04-08T16:51:36 < dongs> and if I forget and place a whole bunch of shit 2015-04-08T16:51:41 < dongs> i have to move every component by a litlte 2015-04-08T16:51:45 < dongs> to re-snap to new grid 2015-04-08T16:51:54 < dongs> theres gotta be a "snap all shit to grid" somewehre hmm 2015-04-08T16:52:12 < dongs> In PCB Editor, run command Edit » Align » Align To Grid [Shift+Ctrl+D]. 2015-04-08T16:52:13 < dongs> yes. 2015-04-08T16:52:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-08T16:53:03 < Steffanx> altidongs has no fancy commandline interface that does NLP? 2015-04-08T16:53:29 < dongs> version 16.0 will include "CIRCUIT SIRI" 2015-04-08T16:53:34 < dongs> to answer dumb questions 2015-04-08T16:53:35 < jadew> neuro language programming? 2015-04-08T16:53:40 < dongs> natural i'd guess 2015-04-08T16:53:44 < dongs> and processing 2015-04-08T16:53:45 < Steffanx> yes 2015-04-08T16:53:49 < dongs> so you could like ask shit 2015-04-08T16:53:51 < dongs> and get reply. 2015-04-08T16:54:01 < jadew> ah, neat 2015-04-08T16:55:48 < dongs> zyp, i was supposed to assemble your shit but dicked around instead today. i gotta run machine tomorrow all day, so I think i can queue it in at that time 2015-04-08T16:56:03 < zyp> okay, cool 2015-04-08T16:56:09 < dongs> everything is here 2015-04-08T16:56:12 < dongs> and i fit a couple random things 2015-04-08T16:56:14 < dongs> and they seem OK 2015-04-08T16:56:19 < dongs> ethernet jack 2015-04-08T16:56:23 < dongs> and something else I forget 2015-04-08T16:56:25 < dongs> oh the headerrs 2015-04-08T16:56:31 < zyp> good 2015-04-08T16:57:12 < zyp> did you find the BMP2 boards yet? 2015-04-08T16:57:29 < dongs> i know where they are 2015-04-08T16:57:54 < zyp> okay, just throw them in the box when you ship shit 2015-04-08T16:58:08 < zyp> oh, and I should probably figure out where you should ship it 2015-04-08T16:58:42 < zyp> I'll mail you the addr when I have it 2015-04-08T16:59:42 < Steffanx> such professional business going on here :D 2015-04-08T16:59:50 < zyp> another thing, have you checked whether the supercaps are reflowable? I noticed that some datasheets state they are not 2015-04-08T17:00:01 < dongs> i have seen them in the bag 2015-04-08T17:00:10 < dongs> they're the panasonic ones 2015-04-08T17:00:16 < dongs> ECL whatever 2015-04-08T17:00:24 < dongs> can you check if they will explode in my oven? :) 2015-04-08T17:01:34 < zyp> what's the part number? 2015-04-08T17:01:47 < dongs> argh i todl you before 2015-04-08T17:01:49 < dongs> wait 2015-04-08T17:02:35 < dongs> EEC-EN0F204RL 2015-04-08T17:03:30 < zyp> oh, those are reflowable 2015-04-08T17:03:37 < dongs> excellent 2015-04-08T17:03:45 < dongs> i dont have glue to fix them with tho 2015-04-08T17:03:49 < dongs> so hopefully they wont float around 2015-04-08T17:03:51 < dongs> after placing 2015-04-08T17:04:01 < zyp> «Re-flow soldering method available (250°C)» 2015-04-08T17:04:28 < dongs> cool 2015-04-08T17:04:35 < zyp> wtf 2015-04-08T17:04:37 < zyp> «Maximum Operating Temperature: 3.3VDC» 2015-04-08T17:04:46 < dongs> temprature? 2015-04-08T17:04:52 < dongs> looks legit 2015-04-08T17:08:13 < MyTestNick> :) 2015-04-08T17:10:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-08T17:12:05 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-08T17:12:07 < scummos> be careful to only operate this part with DC temperatures though 2015-04-08T17:14:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-08T17:20:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.200] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T17:21:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T17:30:51 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T17:31:37 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-08T17:33:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ToYycZV.png so clever 2015-04-08T17:35:55 < _Sync_> wow 2015-04-08T17:36:25 < dongs> Note that no sub-addressing is included for the read procedure, and reads start at register offset 00h and 2015-04-08T17:36:29 < dongs> continue byte by byte through the registers until the I2C master terminates the read operation. 2015-04-08T17:36:32 < dongs> lol. 2015-04-08T17:36:32 < dongs> saved: 10 gates 2015-04-08T17:36:34 < dongs> THANK YOU 2015-04-08T17:38:04 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-08T17:40:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.200] has quit [] 2015-04-08T17:45:20 -!- MyTestNick [~akawolf@188.162.64.5] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-08T17:49:51 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T17:49:51 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-08T17:49:51 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T17:52:21 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-215-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-08T17:53:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:10:04 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-08T18:22:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T18:22:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:23:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:23:37 < trepidaciousMBR2> dongs: Hey, that paid for someone's 3rd holiday villa! 2015-04-08T18:29:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:30:20 < yan_> i don't have it next to me, but i can use the stm32l-discovery board as a standalone SWD programmer/debugger, right? there's a jumper iirc 2015-04-08T18:32:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-12-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:33:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-08T18:37:55 -!- DanteA [~X@host-12-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-08T18:39:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T18:42:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:43:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-76-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T18:49:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-76-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-08T18:53:09 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-08T19:04:18 -!- DanteA [~X@host-12-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T19:04:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-08T19:05:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-08T19:12:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-08T19:16:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T19:28:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T19:29:06 < Tectu> dongs, ping 2015-04-08T19:29:08 < Tectu> dongs, around? 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2015-04-08T23:11:01 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-08T23:11:30 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T23:12:22 < Steffanx> No thanks superbia 2015-04-08T23:41:12 -!- Guest15544 [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-08T23:58:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMG9CVV9oXzh4RG8/view?usp=sharing doing something ill 2015-04-08T23:59:47 < Steffanx> need cheap wifi outside? 2015-04-08T23:59:54 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Apr 09 2015 2015-04-09T00:00:00 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-09T00:00:07 < kakimir> for yagi antenna 2015-04-09T00:00:29 < Steffanx> cheap one from ebay? 2015-04-09T00:00:52 < Steffanx> had one once.. they actually worked. 2015-04-09T00:01:06 < kakimir> broadcom soc 2015-04-09T00:01:18 < kakimir> power parts may need some rework 2015-04-09T00:01:22 < superbia> wasnt there a shittier case? 2015-04-09T00:01:25 < Steffanx> no i mean, cheap yagi 2015-04-09T00:01:39 < kakimir> superbia: I paid 4euro for that 2015-04-09T00:02:03 < kakimir> it has even proper sealing 2015-04-09T00:02:35 < superbia> awsome dude 2015-04-09T00:02:53 < superbia> how did you solve the condenzation problem 2015-04-09T00:02:59 < Steffanx> are you also this nice to ranewen superbia? 2015-04-09T00:03:17 < superbia> i was nice enough to your mum hun 2015-04-09T00:03:22 < qyx_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251906491368 2015-04-09T00:03:23 < qyx_> interesting 2015-04-09T00:03:24 < kakimir> I stuff silica bags in it 2015-04-09T00:03:34 < kakimir> there is space for it 2015-04-09T00:03:50 < qyx_> wut condensation 2015-04-09T00:03:59 < qyx_> we had never such problems 2015-04-09T00:04:07 < qyx_> in IP56 boxes and mikrotik boards 2015-04-09T00:04:17 < qyx_> they tend to look like new after 5 years 2015-04-09T00:05:29 < Steffanx> 3G/4G router qyx_? 2015-04-09T00:05:34 < kakimir> stuffing rj45 thru those sealing rings 2015-04-09T00:05:50 < Steffanx> with external 3G/4G module i guess? 2015-04-09T00:05:57 < kakimir> may not leave proper sealing 2015-04-09T00:06:15 < qyx_> Steffanx: it looks more like wifi soc + openwrt 2015-04-09T00:06:43 < superbia> luniyx bloatware 2015-04-09T00:07:38 < qyx_> it may actually wrok for wifi mesh netwrks 2015-04-09T00:07:55 < karlp> heh, dragino has a module finally. 2015-04-09T00:08:11 < karlp> we spoke to them at work about customizing one of their existing boards for us 2015-04-09T00:08:41 < qyx_> tss, ordering one now 2015-04-09T00:09:17 < qyx_> 150mA @ 3.3V meh 2015-04-09T00:09:21 < qyx_> wifi bulk transfer 2015-04-09T00:09:34 < qyx_> which means ~60mbit on 802.11n 2015-04-09T00:09:44 < karlp> I haven't seen the commit for that into openwrt yet, but it's not likely to need much 2015-04-09T00:10:22 < karlp> at that price you can buy carambola2 though. 2015-04-09T00:10:31 < karlp> buy lithuanian instead of chinese :) 2015-04-09T00:14:14 < qyx_> preorders only :S 2015-04-09T00:14:42 < karlp> you can buy a variety of differnt ar9331 modules on aliexpress and friends right now if you want :) 2015-04-09T00:14:59 < qyx_> now i feel like from 1990 2015-04-09T00:15:08 < qyx_> i see them for the first time now 2015-04-09T00:15:22 < qyx_> i never knew such things are already on trhe market 2015-04-09T00:15:32 < karlp> ar9331 is the no longer quite the new hotness now. 2015-04-09T00:15:47 < karlp> mt7620 is where itz at y0 2015-04-09T00:15:58 < karlp> but that's just fine, means there's a pile of ar9331 boards around now :) 2015-04-09T00:16:51 < karlp> this is well regarded in the openwrt dudes http://www.asiarf.com/Smallest-Tiny-Ralink-802-11n-Wireless-AP-Router-Module-Board-AWM002-product-view-375.html 2015-04-09T00:18:15 < qyx_> much ralink 2015-04-09T00:18:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:ac7a:5cd6:fb5a:39f] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-09T00:18:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-09T00:18:32 < karlp> yar, no personal experience on that one. 2015-04-09T00:18:42 < karlp> heh: http://www.dragino.com/products/accessory/item/92-he-expander.html so yo ucan do ethernet and usb on your breadboard... 2015-04-09T00:27:50 < kakimir> karlp: wow that kind of thing I have been looking for 2015-04-09T00:27:50 < kakimir> but 2015-04-09T00:28:14 < kakimir> if it goes under certain price 2015-04-09T00:28:59 < kakimir> I can't install openwrt to this board without mod 2015-04-09T00:29:23 < kakimir> 1MB flash and 8MB dram 2015-04-09T00:30:04 < kakimir> don't know yet if I bother or not 2015-04-09T00:34:14 < dongs> omg 2015-04-09T00:34:21 < dongs> some arstechnica dude followed my twatter 2015-04-09T00:35:00 < dongs> except he seems to favor legalizing marijuana so he's probly a real stoner 2015-04-09T00:35:38 < kakimir> great debate 2015-04-09T00:36:14 < dongs> why do you keep changing nicks, beaky 2015-04-09T00:36:35 < Laurenceb_> lol arstechnica 2015-04-09T00:36:45 < Laurenceb_> dont say anything "bad" 2015-04-09T00:37:11 < dongs> and zano has another meaningless update 2015-04-09T00:37:32 < dongs> My office is slowing filing with boxes of components. I believe as of Friday the last of the component deliveries for the 500 build are expected. It is great to see all the parts arriving. 2015-04-09T00:37:37 < dongs> "slowing 2015-04-09T00:37:40 < dongs> "filing" 2015-04-09T00:37:43 < dongs> is this guy ESL or wat 2015-04-09T00:37:49 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-04-09T00:38:06 < Laurenceb_> prob a welshfag 2015-04-09T00:38:27 < Laurenceb_> crazy freaks refuse to talk english 2015-04-09T00:38:57 < dongs> his office must be pretty fucking tiny 2015-04-09T00:39:07 < dongs> cuz 500 lm1117s barely take up any space 2015-04-09T00:39:11 < dongs> whats this "piling" shit 2015-04-09T00:41:23 < BrainDamage> packaged individually 2015-04-09T00:41:30 < BrainDamage> one per envelope 2015-04-09T00:43:59 < dongs> Regarding the PCB's, one of our suppliers delivered a few panels of v1.3 of the flight frame. We will validate this design and if all is as expected, get a few of these units built and off to our testing and compliance partner for our pre-EMC tests. 2015-04-09T00:44:13 < dongs> i duno about these zano guys but 2015-04-09T00:44:23 < dongs> do you usually "validate your design" before or after its on a PCB? 2015-04-09T00:44:59 < dongs> also, by 1.3, that implies something like at least 3 revisions, wouldn't the changes just be minimal fuckups that you missed the first 2 times? 2015-04-09T00:45:27 < dongs> like HOLES TO SMALL in v.10 2015-04-09T00:45:46 < dongs> ivan used sparkfun eagle library for connectors 2015-04-09T00:48:48 < superbia> ivan? 2015-04-09T00:50:03 < zyp> dongs, have you started waking up earlier? 2015-04-09T00:50:17 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-04-09T00:50:26 < Laurenceb_> raging up 2015-04-09T00:51:05 < zyp> I'm thinking «oh, he's awake already», and then I'm wondering if it's due to DST, and then I remember that DST would produce the opposite effect 2015-04-09T00:51:47 < zyp> I've been following that line of thought multiple times lately :p 2015-04-09T00:53:10 < Laurenceb_> daylight saving trolls 2015-04-09T00:53:32 < zyp> yeah, it's a bunch of bullshit 2015-04-09T00:54:00 < zyp> not that I really care, all clocks I care about handle it transparently nowadays 2015-04-09T00:58:13 < Laurenceb_> wonder how F2 and newer RTC handles DST 2015-04-09T01:03:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-09T01:04:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-09T01:04:30 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T01:05:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T01:08:33 < dongs> i dont think japan has dst 2015-04-09T01:08:46 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T01:09:05 < dongs> superbia: we're talking about zano. 2015-04-09T01:09:48 < superbia> link 2015-04-09T01:14:32 -!- Guest15544 [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-09T01:14:40 < superbia> bedtime 2015-04-09T01:14:44 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-09T01:16:55 < zyp> dongs, exactly, norway does, so the tz difference between norway and japan is different between summer and winter 2015-04-09T01:17:08 < zyp> 8 hours in winter and 7 in summer 2015-04-09T01:17:40 < emeb> Arizona doesn't do DST but almost everywhere else in the US does. We love being different. 2015-04-09T01:18:21 < zyp> there doesn't seem to be much proponents for DST left here, so I wouldn't be surprised if we abolish it in a few years 2015-04-09T01:19:23 < karlp> we've got a couple of nutjobs in parliament at the moment who are insisting on it, for the sake of the children going to school i the morning. 2015-04-09T01:19:27 < emeb> ooo - box from Electronic Goldmine. I ordered on Sunday night and don't remember what I got... 2015-04-09T01:19:46 < karlp> emeb: _part_ of arizona does DST iirc right? 2015-04-09T01:20:03 < emeb> karlp: yes - the Navaho reservation. 2015-04-09T01:21:06 < emeb> and to make things more fun, the Hopi reservation inside the Navaho reservation doesn't do DST. 2015-04-09T01:21:17 < qyx_> lol 2015-04-09T01:22:39 < emeb> fun toys - piezoelectric disc speakers. 2015-04-09T01:22:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T01:24:54 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10081288 2015-04-09T01:25:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T01:26:43 < karlp> nice, retweeting 2015-04-09T01:27:53 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-09T01:32:57 < dongs> The practice of KSing or "Kill Stealing" has risen new prevalence on the internet as a website now lets people steal real money from you by promising to create games or products and then never delivering them. Kickstarter.com is taking KSing to chilling new heights. 2015-04-09T01:35:02 < kakimir> youtube is nowdays about scripted prank videos 2015-04-09T01:35:47 < kakimir> scripted everything 2015-04-09T01:51:46 < mitrax> jpa-: there? 2015-04-09T01:54:32 -!- Guest15544 [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T01:55:12 < mitrax> i'm trying to rotate the display of a LCD by 180°, not sure if LCD drivers usually provide a way to do that, i'm seeing a "display scan direction" and "display shift direction" registers, am i correct in assuming that could be that? 2015-04-09T01:57:59 < kakimir> toggle both and see if it does it 2015-04-09T02:12:39 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T02:16:23 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-09T02:32:26 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-09T02:40:43 -!- Guest15544 [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T02:49:47 < dongs> i would guess "rotate180" would be called mirroring or something 2015-04-09T02:49:53 < dongs> so amybe look for that too 2015-04-09T02:50:34 < Laurenceb_> dongs is writing postscript now? 2015-04-09T02:50:38 < Laurenceb_> omg 2015-04-09T02:50:47 < Laurenceb_> pcb design in postscript with a hex editor 2015-04-09T02:50:52 < Laurenceb_> it makes so much sense 2015-04-09T02:50:53 < dongs> the zano way 2015-04-09T02:51:07 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2015-04-09T02:51:10 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-09T02:51:15 < kakimir> what 2015-04-09T02:51:29 < kakimir> show me 2015-04-09T02:52:34 < dongs> You talked a lot about the Zano Hardware and a little about the SDK but I have never read something about the Firmware and how all the smart stuff Zano does is implemented. 2015-04-09T02:52:37 < dongs> I know that there is a lot of Open Source quadcopter firmware available but the Zano firmware sounds way smarter that most others. (https://www.dronecode.org/) 2015-04-09T02:52:41 < dongs> How far are you with the implementation of the firmware and have you used any available code base? 2015-04-09T02:53:45 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-transparency-report-2014 2015-04-09T02:55:20 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-09T02:58:44 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-09T02:59:01 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T03:04:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.38] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T03:13:59 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-09T03:15:31 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T03:23:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T03:26:28 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T03:34:56 < karlp> damnit, why no fucking continue in lua!$!"#ASDF 2015-04-09T03:40:03 < zyp> heh 2015-04-09T03:41:58 < karlp> no sleep either, which always surprises me... 2015-04-09T03:42:25 < karlp> http://stackoverflow.com/a/24037414 2015-04-09T04:03:34 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Quit: brb] 2015-04-09T04:06:22 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T04:15:50 < dongs> https://www.smtnet.com/library/files/upload/NetTies-and-How-to-Use-Them.pdf thats neat 2015-04-09T04:33:44 < zyp> oh, nice 2015-04-09T04:35:13 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/pcb-silkscreen-artwork/ 2015-04-09T04:35:14 < dongs> wat 2015-04-09T04:35:32 < dongs> wahjts wrong wiht open monochrome bitmap in mspaint and copypaste it? 2015-04-09T04:35:46 < dongs> i wonder if i have eevblag account 2015-04-09T04:35:59 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-njjnptlgqavlmzou] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-09T04:36:07 < PeterM> no fuckin idea 2015-04-09T04:36:42 < zyp> dongs, that's mentioned as an option in first post 2015-04-09T04:37:04 < dongs> However sometimes it works just like I want it to, but more often I just crash my DXP.exe or the converted lines/poly have extremely poor quality. :( < ive had no such problems 2015-04-09T04:37:10 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iOeBFja.jpg lets see china do this silk 2015-04-09T04:37:14 < dongs> this worked just fine 2015-04-09T04:37:19 < dongs> from copypaste from monochrome .png 2015-04-09T04:37:37 < dongs> I bet he had it fabbed in china 2015-04-09T04:37:40 < dongs> where they inkjet the silk 2015-04-09T04:37:44 < dongs> so it lookd like garbage 2015-04-09T04:37:49 < zyp> heh 2015-04-09T04:38:54 -!- DanteA [~X@host-12-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-09T04:39:34 < zyp> oh, that net tie shit is going to come in handy once I get my shit together enough to do that NFC shit I've been thinking about doing for years 2015-04-09T04:39:43 < dongs> heh 2015-04-09T04:44:32 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-09T04:44:59 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T04:45:54 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-156-139.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T04:48:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T04:54:41 < dongs> was looking for net ties in eagle 2015-04-09T04:54:42 < dongs> found this 2015-04-09T04:54:43 < dongs> http://www.obitsforlife.com/obituary/481548/Eagle-Nettie.php 2015-04-09T04:54:56 < englishman> Lol 2015-04-09T04:55:03 < dongs> netcraft confirms it: eagle is dead 2015-04-09T04:56:48 < zyp> I've done trace antennas in eagle, that's sort of like the same thing 2015-04-09T04:57:28 < dongs> in altidong that just results in net antenna violation 2015-04-09T05:02:23 < dongs> R2COM: waht pro stuff are you up to today. 2015-04-09T05:04:04 < dongs> are oyu sure you arent working for zano? 2015-04-09T05:11:49 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-09T05:12:56 < dongs> i'd say if they didnt manage to make it funny by v.5 , its probly a lost cause 2015-04-09T05:13:23 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T05:42:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-09T05:46:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-09T05:49:55 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hkpouquchlerrqth] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T05:51:03 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T06:22:31 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-09T06:25:34 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-09T06:25:42 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T06:34:04 < dongs> bah 2015-04-09T06:34:04 < dongs> wtf 2015-04-09T06:36:06 < PeterM> wot dongs, wot? 2015-04-09T06:44:57 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvgJ2zAxgAY nice abuse of pcie connector 2015-04-09T06:45:21 < dongs> https://youtu.be/uvgJ2zAxgAY?t=478 i mean 2015-04-09T06:45:30 < dongs> cuz really who teh fuck wants to watch 1hr of this dick blagging 2015-04-09T06:45:41 < dongs> i started playing it in background and glance at it while loading dicknplace 2015-04-09T06:46:24 < dongs> http://www.analog.com/en/products/linear-products/matched-transistors/ssm2212.html#product-overview 2015-04-09T06:51:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T07:02:11 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T07:05:28 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T07:07:08 < PeterM> hahaha that same viddya was running in the background for me too 2015-04-09T07:07:33 < PeterM> also, that link. is AD trying to make the package appear real size o nthe monitor because that p[icture is fucking tiny 2015-04-09T07:21:48 < ReadError> when will Timecop plays Altium Designer be back on the air? 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2015-04-09T09:22:17 < dongs> also what the fuck 2015-04-09T09:22:49 < ReadError> livestream some hot PnP action 2015-04-09T09:24:54 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T09:26:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-09T09:28:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-09T09:29:32 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-04-09T09:30:38 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T09:32:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-09T09:33:59 < dongs> heh these F407 clones only have one identifying pin 2015-04-09T09:34:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-09T09:37:17 -!- Guest15544 [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-09T09:39:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.188] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T09:42:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T09:43:18 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T09:43:36 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-09T09:45:39 < jpa-> dongs: F407 clones? 2015-04-09T09:58:29 < dongs> ya, on zypboard 2015-04-09T10:16:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.188] has quit [] 2015-04-09T10:21:49 < dongs> k 2015-04-09T10:22:02 < dongs> fixed all the dicknplace bugs in 1st panel, now i can quickly do the rest 2015-04-09T10:25:20 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T10:28:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.146] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T10:29:41 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:02:03 < dongs> last panel off to oven 2015-04-09T11:13:11 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:27:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.146] has quit [] 2015-04-09T11:27:54 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:28:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.146] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:30:03 < dongs> whoa 2015-04-09T11:30:10 < dongs> assdroid on beagleboner black is horrible 2015-04-09T11:30:15 < dongs> its fucking slow as balls 2015-04-09T11:32:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.146] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-09T11:32:40 < akaWolf> android isnt the best invention of humanity 2015-04-09T11:33:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.146] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:33:51 < ReadError> android ;/ 2015-04-09T11:33:56 < ReadError> my nexus 7 sucks so hard 2015-04-09T11:34:04 < ReadError> if I turn off the screen, nothing run 2015-04-09T11:34:09 < ReadError> shits dead in 3 days 2015-04-09T11:34:11 < dongs> http://beagleboard.org/project/beaglebonebsp/ 2015-04-09T11:34:13 < dongs> holy shit 2015-04-09T11:34:14 < ReadError> tried a bunch of stuff.. 2015-04-09T11:36:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.146] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-09T11:36:34 < dongs> throw it away 2015-04-09T11:36:37 < dongs> upgrade to WINDOWS PHONE 2015-04-09T11:37:56 < akaWolf> dongs: not a case 2015-04-09T11:39:32 < akaWolf> with gnu/linux you are free to implement anythink what you want. the whole system, including kernel 2015-04-09T11:39:53 < superbia> and share under same lic 2015-04-09T11:39:54 < dongs> assuming i have unlimited time 2015-04-09T11:39:55 < akaWolf> and it's totally free 2015-04-09T11:40:02 < dongs> which normal people dont 2015-04-09T11:40:27 < akaWolf> dongs: now I can build the whole image for BBB, typing 1 command 2015-04-09T11:40:49 < dongs> akaWolf: but can you make the graphics not SUCK DICK LIKE ITS 1989 2015-04-09T11:40:56 < akaWolf> :) 2015-04-09T11:41:02 < superbia> now it sucks 16GB ram instead 2015-04-09T11:41:20 < akaWolf> there is already all is good with graphics 2015-04-09T11:41:28 < Steffanx> meanwhile in icelandia ( and because dongs likes air planes): https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11051892_10153172200183618_6970773858850004282_n.jpg?oh=b74354c8106801f3f5e131ba0f71f01d&oe=55AEDE78 2015-04-09T11:41:55 < dongs> akaWolf: its ufcking slow, have you ran assdroid on it? 2015-04-09T11:41:59 < dongs> scrolling is super laggy 2015-04-09T11:42:02 < dongs> and just about everythign esel 2015-04-09T11:42:03 < dongs> else 2015-04-09T11:43:20 < akaWolf> do you want to say, that windows embedded is faster, then qt embedded, running at the gnu/linux with graphical hardware accelerator? 2015-04-09T11:43:23 < akaWolf> :) 2015-04-09T11:43:43 < akaWolf> at the same HW 2015-04-09T11:44:14 < akaWolf> I dont think, that the difference is very big.. 2015-04-09T11:44:17 < dongs> akaWolf: im talking strictly from the position of someone who needs to get XYZ done at normal cost and without spending retarded amounts on unwashed GNU/Hippie coders. Which means, a working + usable assdroid env and some cheap java coder. 2015-04-09T11:44:24 < dongs> akaWolf: its completely unusable 2015-04-09T11:44:35 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:45:16 < akaWolf> dongs: I'm afraid, there is problems with Android, not linux itself... 2015-04-09T11:45:58 < dongs> really now 2015-04-09T11:46:14 < akaWolf> I understand you point.. 2015-04-09T11:46:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T11:50:46 < superbia> guy plugs ethernet cable in new win8.1 laptop 2015-04-09T11:50:56 < superbia> laptop just dies after 15seconds 2015-04-09T11:51:13 < jpa-> is that a joke? where is the punchline? 2015-04-09T11:51:20 < superbia> not even blue screen.. instant death 2015-04-09T11:52:05 < akaWolf> superbia: just install linux :) 2015-04-09T11:52:22 < superbia> seen on defcon/blackhat videos.. 2015-04-09T11:52:36 < superbia> talk about security/dos/attacks 2015-04-09T11:53:08 < superbia> then guy says.. ya know what i got here (new windows 8.1 laptop), lets see how it handles the attack ---> after 30 secs crowd applauds :) 2015-04-09T11:54:56 < akaWolf> :) 2015-04-09T11:56:05 < dongs> i got a better one 2015-04-09T11:56:07 < superbia> but am sure windows patched it after hearing about it 2015-04-09T11:56:11 < dongs> install lunix on a modern PC 2015-04-09T11:56:16 < superbia> done 2015-04-09T11:56:19 < dongs> then spend hours making mouse, sound, video wokr 2015-04-09T11:56:27 < dongs> then hibernate and suspend to ram 2015-04-09T11:56:29 < dongs> LOL!!!!!! 2015-04-09T11:56:30 < dongs> in 2015 2015-04-09T11:56:39 < superbia> today we do hybrid-suspend dongs and it works otb 2015-04-09T11:56:52 < dongs> bonus points for hibernating to a file, instead of making 32gig partition you can't use for anything else 2015-04-09T11:56:57 < dongs> superbia: so funny 2015-04-09T11:57:15 < dongs> i would believe it, but i'd have to switch to text mode before suspending so X doesn't shit itself on resume 2015-04-09T11:57:17 < jpa-> buy a modern pc with windows, then spend hours uninstalling crapware, then spend more hours installing the stuff you need 2015-04-09T11:57:19 < dongs> so im not gonna trey 2015-04-09T11:57:38 < superbia> see my old lappie dongs 2015-04-09T11:57:53 < dongs> old doesnt count 2015-04-09T11:57:58 < dongs> i dont care that your 386/16 can suspend 2015-04-09T11:58:08 < dongs> by 2015, if they haven't figured how to make THAT work, there's no hope 2015-04-09T11:58:41 < Steffanx> when did your hate for lunix start dongs? 2015-04-09T11:58:52 < dongs> since before lunix even existed 2015-04-09T11:58:56 < dongs> preemptive hate 2015-04-09T11:59:37 < superbia> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/operating_systems.png 2015-04-09T11:59:46 < akaWolf> you can't solve your problem with Windows 2015-04-09T11:59:55 < akaWolf> without MS 2015-04-09T12:00:07 < akaWolf> you can solve your problem with Linux 2015-04-09T12:00:16 < akaWolf> without Torvalds 2015-04-09T12:01:23 < akaWolf> Hurd isnt bad :) 2015-04-09T12:02:18 < qyx_> dongs: you will like this http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/04/05/open-source-microsoft-windows/ 2015-04-09T12:02:34 < baird> It was actually quite stable in 1999-- you could 'make world' and get a near-complete X11 Desktop happening, without the system crashing. But then some idiots went "Hurr Gnumach is teh shittor, throw it all out and do something else!" 2015-04-09T12:02:59 < baird> ..and 15 years later, it still hasn't returned to the point it used to be. 2015-04-09T12:03:21 < scummos> how is publishing the source code of windows "giving it up"? ;p 2015-04-09T12:03:36 < akaWolf> qyx_: didnt wotk link 2015-04-09T12:03:46 < Steffanx> and then people started to think about using two screens and X11 baird :P 2015-04-09T12:03:48 < akaWolf> qyx_: sorry, working 2015-04-09T12:04:57 < superbia> archwiki Steffanx 2015-04-09T12:05:10 < dongs> lol arch 2015-04-09T12:05:24 < scummos> <3 arch 2015-04-09T12:05:25 < dongs> guise, the whole fucking reason lunix is shit is tehre are a million different fucking combinations of stuff 2015-04-09T12:05:38 < superbia> and theres arch 2015-04-09T12:06:09 < baird> dongs: go fuck a panda 2015-04-09T12:06:24 < Steffanx> no pinguin? 2015-04-09T12:06:31 < superbia> or a window 2015-04-09T12:07:37 < baird> obviously, I meant a kawaiiii~ panda 2015-04-09T12:08:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T12:09:06 < PeterM> does cadence support lunix? 2015-04-09T12:09:14 < superbia> google it. 2015-04-09T12:09:38 < superbia> 2 aur/cadence-git 20120913-1 (9) 2015-04-09T12:09:40 < superbia> A set of tools useful for audio production. 2015-04-09T12:09:47 < superbia> if this, then yes 2015-04-09T12:10:15 < qyx_> you are not being useful 2015-04-09T12:11:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T12:12:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T12:12:02 < PeterM> just wanna know if you can easily ( key: easily) run allegro or orcad on lunix 2015-04-09T12:12:57 < superbia> package "allegro" yes 2015-04-09T12:13:24 < dongs> why teh hell would you want to 2015-04-09T12:13:38 < PeterM> easily? just p[ress enter + lisencing? 2015-04-09T12:14:05 < dongs> so instead of shitty unaccelerated windows GDI graphics, you'd have shitty unaccelerated lunix graphics underneath a windows>lunix drawing conversion layer 2015-04-09T12:14:57 < dongs> has ocrad dudes figured out how to do accelerated 2d gfx on windows yet? 2015-04-09T12:15:17 < PeterM> i just wanted to know if there was any method of actually being productive on lunix or if it was just hours and hours of fucking around like everything else is 2015-04-09T12:15:33 < dongs> its just fucking around 2015-04-09T12:15:34 < dongs> always 2015-04-09T12:15:39 < dongs> editing some shitty files in /etc 2015-04-09T12:15:43 < dongs> patching kernel against latest 0day 2015-04-09T12:15:47 < dongs> rebooting to apply said fix 2015-04-09T12:15:50 < superbia> better fuck around then get fucked 2015-04-09T12:16:02 < PeterM> nah, get fucked, move on 2015-04-09T12:16:10 < PeterM> do something productive, get paid 2015-04-09T12:16:26 < scummos> can we just conclude that all OS are shit and you have to pick the one which is least shit for you personally 2015-04-09T12:16:43 < superbia> there is openbsd 2015-04-09T12:16:54 < scummos> and GNU/HURD 2015-04-09T12:17:05 < scummos> or haiku 2015-04-09T12:17:07 < scummos> haiku is great 2015-04-09T12:17:18 < dongs> as great as BEOS 2015-04-09T12:17:21 < dongs> (which was shit btw) 2015-04-09T12:17:32 < akaWolf> superbia: there is no esspecial in OpenBSD 2015-04-09T12:18:33 < superbia> have you tried it? 2015-04-09T12:19:15 < dongs> tried what? 2015-04-09T12:19:20 < dongs> i have important things to do 2015-04-09T12:19:28 < dongs> so i can do shit like: make money 2015-04-09T12:19:33 < dongs> when you're in a basement 2015-04-09T12:19:35 < dongs> with no future 2015-04-09T12:19:36 < dongs> and nothign to do 2015-04-09T12:19:39 < dongs> you can sit and try lunix distros 2015-04-09T12:19:52 < superbia> or you can install arch 2015-04-09T12:20:17 < dongs> or you can install $some_shitty_distro_you_havent_installed_yet 2015-04-09T12:20:37 < dongs> something about polishing the turd, etc. 2015-04-09T12:21:06 < dongs> lol WiNCE image for beagleboner is like 10x faster 2015-04-09T12:21:10 < dongs> at scrolling/touch/response/etc 2015-04-09T12:21:19 < PeterM> how will you know if its polished though if the gfx dont work? 2015-04-09T12:22:01 < dongs> ask tectu to port ugfx to lunix framebuffer 2015-04-09T12:22:28 < dongs> Zano firmware or Zano OS as I tend to refer it by, is entirely purpose by built by us for Zano and built in assembly language. There is no use of third party libraries or third party code, nor the use of third party algorithms. Even things like our sin and arc tan functions are build by us. This isn't the easiest way to build something, perhaps its the hardest way but it does result in the very best performance possible from the hardware. 2015-04-09T12:22:50 < dongs> The current state of the Zano OS is that everything has been built and tested. I am currently refining the integration of some of the control systems and tuning the overall system. Forgive me if you are already familiar with, but if you are interested, look up control theory on wikipedia and have a read through PID control (It is a standard control system). 2015-04-09T12:23:07 < dongs> The camera code is working but this is where I will be focusing much of my attention late April. This will be to work on achieving maximum frame rate to the handset, reducing lag and optimising compression, camera settings etc etc. 2015-04-09T12:23:13 < dongs> lol, "optimizing compression" 2015-04-09T12:23:14 < jpa-> custom sin() function, that will make it fly! 2015-04-09T12:23:15 < superbia> note. the source code might contain other gpl licenced parts 2015-04-09T12:24:00 < PeterM> dongs, " look up control theory on wikipedia and have a read through PID control (It is a standard control system), you will need to because we aern't doing fuck all" 2015-04-09T12:24:12 < dongs> besides, PID is boring 2015-04-09T12:24:35 < dongs> for something like zano, with all known parameters/hardware, they could have picked something better 2015-04-09T12:24:39 < qyx_> they will surely get the best performance if doing things on their own 2015-04-09T12:25:14 < PeterM> qyx_ is this zano or lunix we're talking about 2015-04-09T12:25:22 < dongs> haha 2015-04-09T12:25:28 < dongs> is tehre a difference? 2015-04-09T12:25:29 < superbia> bye trolls 2015-04-09T12:25:41 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-09T12:26:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-09T12:29:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T12:31:39 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=456 2015-04-09T12:31:40 < dongs> o shittttttt 2015-04-09T12:31:45 < dongs> goldmine of ivan garbage 2015-04-09T12:32:12 < qyx_> PeterM: zeano 2015-04-09T12:32:13 < qyx_> -e 2015-04-09T12:32:14 < PeterM> if you resist dongs you will get butthurt, but if you let dongs in it will be a painless experience. 2015-04-09T12:32:54 < Laurenceb_> http://img.moonbuggy.org/ultimate-rape-anthems/ 2015-04-09T12:32:59 < dongs> I mentioned on Kickstarter last night that we are taking deliveries and I believe the last components arrive tomorrow for our 500 Zano build. My office is filling up with boxes at the moment ready to do one large shipment to our EMS so they can start the build. All very exciting. 2015-04-09T12:33:07 < dongs> has he never got any components before or something 2015-04-09T12:33:12 < dongs> WOW REELS OF RESISTORS 2015-04-09T12:33:13 < dongs> SO EXCITING 2015-04-09T12:34:16 < dongs> 4. We are getting some footage this week and next week of Zano demonstrating various aspects of the SDK. Things like how to use the SDK to launch Zano and showing the results etc. I think this next chapter of creating Zano will be really cool. It is in production. 2015-04-09T12:34:32 < dongs> why would dumb users care about SDK 2015-04-09T12:34:33 < dongs> at all 2015-04-09T12:34:41 < dongs> they want to pres butan 2015-04-09T12:34:43 < dongs> make the shit fly 2015-04-09T12:34:44 < dongs> the end 2015-04-09T12:35:05 < PeterM> Laurenceb_ http://imgur.com/gallery/aKrFc 2015-04-09T12:35:12 < dongs> Manufacturing a quality product in tens of thousands of units in 6 months is quite an undertaking, one as complex as Zano is even more so. 2015-04-09T12:35:42 < PeterM> >zango 2015-04-09T12:35:46 < PeterM> >quality product 2015-04-09T12:36:08 < dongs> if it was quality, they wouldn't use LM1117 on it rite??? 2015-04-09T12:36:12 < dongs> (or PIC32) 2015-04-09T12:36:30 < jpa-> PIC32 isn't that bad 2015-04-09T12:36:37 < dongs> Backer #5773 (£669 for 2xGITD, 1xLE Red...and extras!) 2015-04-09T12:36:39 < dongs> hahaha 2015-04-09T12:36:47 < dongs> this guy blew 670 gbp on this shit 2015-04-09T12:37:07 < PeterM> UT DONGS, it's an *official* Texas Instruments LM1117! That means its gotta be good, rite? 2015-04-09T12:37:18 < dongs> wonder if he will be super excited to find out that motors will have ~4 hours of flight time 2015-04-09T12:37:20 < qyx_> have you seen? http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015 2015-04-09T12:37:23 < dongs> before the brushes seize 2015-04-09T12:37:50 < dongs> qyx, there are 3 coders in best korea 2015-04-09T12:40:28 < dongs> damn, C is dying 2015-04-09T12:42:37 < ReadError> next time you troll post 2015-04-09T12:42:41 < ReadError> address the brushed motor life issue 2015-04-09T12:42:43 < scummos> dongs: 3 of which are probably trolls 2015-04-09T12:42:44 < scummos> :D 2015-04-09T12:42:48 < ReadError> and how these things will only work for a few hrs 2015-04-09T12:42:56 < ReadError> (assuming they can make it fly) 2015-04-09T12:43:18 < qyx_> we should do some STM32 javascript famework 2015-04-09T12:43:24 < qyx_> framework even 2015-04-09T12:43:39 < scummos> or maybe you shouldn't 2015-04-09T12:47:07 < PeterM> Embedded application developer 2015-04-09T12:47:07 < PeterM> 2.9% 2015-04-09T12:47:18 < PeterM> non representative statistics 2015-04-09T12:53:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T13:02:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-09T13:07:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T13:16:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T13:33:06 -!- Lerg_ [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T13:33:06 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-09T13:40:30 < dongs> sup trolls 2015-04-09T13:41:21 < ReadError> foxconning 2015-04-09T13:43:15 < dongs> plz 2015-04-09T13:44:44 < ReadError> it sucks 2015-04-09T13:44:49 < ReadError> ive built almost 100 of these by hand 2015-04-09T13:45:47 < dongs> 100 of waht did you fucking clone? 2015-04-09T13:46:06 < ReadError> brushed lulfros 2015-04-09T13:46:13 < ReadError> i cant keep up with demands 2015-04-09T13:47:30 < dongs> what the hell 2015-04-09T13:47:40 < dongs> beagleboner CPU can't fucking drive lvds displays? 2015-04-09T13:47:43 < dongs> come the fuck on TI 2015-04-09T13:47:46 < dongs> paralell only 2015-04-09T13:47:50 < dongs> what is this useless 1986 shit 2015-04-09T13:48:02 < ReadError> eh beagleboner is gonna fall 2015-04-09T13:48:15 < ReadError> rpi2 is missing some shit like SATA 2015-04-09T13:48:20 < dongs> to what, closedberrypi? 2015-04-09T13:48:21 < dongs> nothx 2015-04-09T13:48:22 < ReadError> but price point and fanboy wise 2015-04-09T13:48:24 < ReadError> they got it beat 2015-04-09T13:49:26 < qyx_> https://pastee.org/yv7ye 2015-04-09T13:49:28 < qyx_> lunix 2015-04-09T13:49:39 < PeterM> how much you sell the brushed lulfros for? 2015-04-09T13:50:19 < ReadError> directly 60$ shipped, retail 25% off that 2015-04-09T13:50:28 < dongs> scammer 2015-04-09T13:50:29 < PeterM> fuuuuck 2015-04-09T13:50:31 < dongs> thats what, $5 of parts? 2015-04-09T13:50:38 < ReadError> nah quite a bit more 2015-04-09T13:50:39 < dongs> zano-class ripoff 2015-04-09T13:50:40 < PeterM> whats the bm? $10 2015-04-09T13:50:53 < ReadError> the damn TI boost is like 3$ 2015-04-09T13:51:06 < ReadError> 4 layer board 2015-04-09T13:51:16 < ReadError> small batch at osh 2015-04-09T13:51:24 < dongs> eagle cloner 2015-04-09T13:51:34 < dongs> k time to take a bath 2015-04-09T13:51:41 < dongs> cleanse a ll these opensores off of me 2015-04-09T13:51:41 < ReadError> dongs compared to the other shit 2015-04-09T13:51:43 < ReadError> like alienwii 2015-04-09T13:51:46 < ReadError> its teh same price 2015-04-09T13:51:52 < dongs> i was just gonna say 2015-04-09T13:51:53 < ReadError> w/ a lot more features and better hardware 2015-04-09T13:52:00 < dongs> outclone mj666 2015-04-09T13:52:01 < dongs> k bbl 2015-04-09T13:52:28 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-09T13:52:50 < ReadError> PeterM: in my defense 2015-04-09T13:52:55 < ReadError> I release everything as open source 2015-04-09T13:53:03 < ReadError> so anyone can make if they would like 2015-04-09T13:53:11 < ReadError> consider it a lazy fuck tax 2015-04-09T13:53:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T14:00:28 * Getty tries to remember whos horrible code it was that he saw last time ;-)))) 2015-04-09T14:01:03 < karlp> everyone's that wasn't yours? 2015-04-09T14:01:06 < ReadError> qyx_: delgroup dyx ? 2015-04-09T14:01:12 < karlp> what is even the context for that getty? 2015-04-09T14:01:24 < ReadError> err 2015-04-09T14:01:26 < ReadError> groupdel 2015-04-09T14:01:32 < Getty> karlp: ReadError about releasing everything as opensource? ;-) 2015-04-09T14:01:56 < ReadError> Getty all my code is embaraseware 2015-04-09T14:02:01 < ReadError> so its not released :) 2015-04-09T14:02:17 < Getty> hehehe then we are safe ;-) 2015-04-09T14:02:24 < jpa-> Getty: so unreleased bad code is better than released bad code? 2015-04-09T14:02:38 < Getty> jpa-: no no ;) i just joking, release all the kraken 2015-04-09T14:02:42 < Getty> i'm 2015-04-09T14:03:01 < ReadError> void topDawg(void); 2015-04-09T14:03:07 < Getty> but some days ago we had someone here with code examples of him which were so horrible..... i was just reminded of that 2015-04-09T14:03:21 < karlp> nownow, if you can't be nice on the internet.... 2015-04-09T14:03:44 < Getty> thats why i talk about it days later and not while his code was topic ;-)))) 2015-04-09T14:04:13 < jpa-> why talk now? 2015-04-09T14:04:35 < jpa-> bad code is no news 2015-04-09T14:04:40 < Getty> post war syndrome.... http://i.imgur.com/XkhlQZQ.gif 2015-04-09T14:04:42 < jpa-> good code is something worth talking about 2015-04-09T14:07:00 < karlp> damnit, luxembourg beat out iceland on devs per capita 2015-04-09T14:07:11 < karlp> maybe I should have taken the survey too 2015-04-09T14:08:10 < BrainDamage> so you'd have flipped results by 40%? 2015-04-09T14:09:22 -!- Lerg_ [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-09T14:09:31 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T14:09:38 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T14:15:01 < PeterM> ReadError, how much jews do those little brushed miniquads take for the motors? 2015-04-09T14:20:08 < dongs> PeterM: banggood, like $10 for a set of 4 or someshit 2015-04-09T14:20:27 < dongs> unless y ou meant JUICE in which case y ou should look for ZANO specs 2015-04-09T14:20:30 < dongs> 15 minutes @ 350mAh 2015-04-09T14:25:44 < PeterM> at that rate, boost errything to 5v, run motards and fpv from 5v 2015-04-09T14:25:48 < Steffanx> ask tectu to port ugfx to lunix framebuffer <= already done 2015-04-09T14:36:32 < dongs> sad :( 2015-04-09T14:36:37 < dongs> but is the port CLOSED SORES 2015-04-09T14:36:42 < dongs> so it will TAINT MY KERNEL 2015-04-09T14:38:08 < Steffanx> open sores but restrictive license. 2015-04-09T14:38:14 < karlp> DISTRIB_TAINTS="no-all busybox" 2015-04-09T14:39:31 < PeterM> genuinely curious if you could do this on 5mil http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/isl9/isl91117.pdf 2015-04-09T14:39:59 < dongs> $5mil? 2015-04-09T14:40:32 < dongs> god da mn that thing is a beast 2015-04-09T14:40:40 < PeterM> yeah 2015-04-09T14:41:00 < PeterM> the ball layout is good too i think you coulkd do it on 5mil 2015-04-09T14:41:17 < dongs> dont tehy hafve a suggested layout 2015-04-09T14:41:25 < dongs> lol 0.4mm pitch 2015-04-09T14:41:33 < dongs> but anyway 2015-04-09T14:41:40 < dongs> its got all flow through stuff 2015-04-09T14:41:43 < dongs> you dont need any vias under it? 2015-04-09T14:41:46 < PeterM> yeah but no vias needed, no need to break out tracks 2015-04-09T14:41:55 < dongs> right 2015-04-09T14:42:00 < dongs> looks like it'll just work 2015-04-09T14:42:08 < dongs> .4mm is like 15mil. plenty 2015-04-09T14:42:12 < PeterM> top of page 11 2015-04-09T14:42:22 < PeterM> cheap as shit too 2015-04-09T14:42:29 < PeterM> http://www.findchips.com/search/ISL91117 2015-04-09T14:42:34 < dongs> something from intersil cheap? 2015-04-09T14:42:59 < PeterM> and at 2.6mhz you can use your imagination for inductors and caps 2015-04-09T14:43:29 < dongs> 500 fucxking bux for evalboard 2015-04-09T14:43:37 < dongs> maybe its 8 layers of pure awesome 2015-04-09T14:43:42 < PeterM> pffffff 2015-04-09T14:43:54 < PeterM> for $500 you could buy 50-0 fucking chips 2015-04-09T14:43:58 < PeterM> *500 2015-04-09T14:46:56 < PeterM> ReadError, you see this shit? 2015-04-09T14:47:38 < karlp> what's the goal with fixed 5V output by default? 2015-04-09T14:47:51 < karlp> to be the primary boost? then followed by LDOs or what? 2015-04-09T14:48:57 < PeterM> you can get in adj too 2015-04-09T14:50:41 < karlp> yeah, but having the fixed version be 5V is what I was curious about 2015-04-09T14:51:05 < karlp> nice how it's actually a 4.951V reg, but 5V too :) 2015-04-09T14:51:32 < PeterM> yer lol 2015-04-09T14:53:01 < dongs> i guess taht thing is good use for 22uF 0603 caps 2015-04-09T14:53:02 < dongs> from zypboard 2015-04-09T14:53:26 < PeterM> ISL91110 is buck boost version 2015-04-09T14:53:40 < dongs> i use TPS63001 for that 2015-04-09T14:54:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T14:54:33 < PeterM> but this can do 2x the current and cheaper too 2015-04-09T14:55:07 < dongs> Ya 2015-04-09T14:55:16 < dongs> but 0.4mm pitch man 2015-04-09T14:55:22 < dongs> shitty 2 assemble 2015-04-09T14:55:54 < PeterM> yeah true 2015-04-09T14:56:18 < PeterM> for the price im tempted to make a few breakout boards tho 2015-04-09T14:57:17 < ReadError> PeterM whats noise like? 2015-04-09T14:57:33 < ReadError> plus yea, hand assembly might rule it out for me 2015-04-09T14:57:48 < PeterM> 2.5mhz switching freq, wiht 1uh inductor, almost certainly better than that ti part 2015-04-09T14:58:11 < dongs> ya ya 2015-04-09T14:58:19 < dongs> do tehy have a 3.3V version? 2015-04-09T14:58:33 < ReadError> that package is beyond my ability ;( 2015-04-09T14:58:36 < ReadError> BGA 2015-04-09T14:58:47 < ReadError> im still applying paste by hand like a scrub 2015-04-09T14:59:05 < dongs> for $ 60 a piece you can afford an european stencil printer, brah 2015-04-09T14:59:05 < Laurenceb> lol beaglebone 2015-04-09T14:59:09 < PeterM> for one time assy, just flux and reflow with balls only 2015-04-09T14:59:11 < Laurenceb> i totally raged out of that 2015-04-09T14:59:17 < dongs> Laurenceb: does USB host on it work out of the box 2015-04-09T14:59:23 < Laurenceb> lolno 2015-04-09T14:59:28 < dongs> evne with assdroid? 2015-04-09T14:59:32 < dongs> is hardwar just broken? lol 2015-04-09T14:59:33 < Laurenceb> correct 2015-04-09T14:59:33 < PeterM> ReadError, with enig the pads should be flat enough to not need paste 2015-04-09T14:59:35 < dongs> ... 2015-04-09T14:59:38 < Laurenceb> PMIC is clusterfucked 2015-04-09T14:59:43 < Laurenceb> cant do lipo charging 2015-04-09T14:59:46 < Laurenceb> or shutdown 2015-04-09T14:59:55 < Laurenceb> it always draws >150mA 2015-04-09T15:00:04 < dongs> PeterM: wut 2015-04-09T15:00:04 < Laurenceb> i had to add a load of jumpers to fix it 2015-04-09T15:00:07 < dongs> just use the balls? 2015-04-09T15:00:15 < dongs> is that even legit 2015-04-09T15:00:28 < PeterM> dongs yer 2015-04-09T15:00:40 < PeterM> you just need mad flat surface finish, ie no hasl 2015-04-09T15:01:20 < PeterM> wheres Return2Communism when you need him 2015-04-09T15:02:09 < PeterM> also yer comes in 3v3 dongs 2015-04-09T15:03:03 < dongs> he's too busy solving bugs in orcad 2015-04-09T15:03:47 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T15:09:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T15:09:54 < dongs> order intel compute stick w/windows 8.1 y/n/m 2015-04-09T15:11:14 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-txngidgopjvrtvwa] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T15:11:40 < dongs> PeterM: did you fuck wiht xsignal stuff in altidong15 yet 2015-04-09T15:11:42 < Laurenceb> must watch 2015-04-09T15:11:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9IKsH9BXg 2015-04-09T15:12:48 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwGvJblGHRE got this as instream ad 2015-04-09T15:16:22 < dongs> damn 2015-04-09T15:16:26 < dongs> i need to innovate this stuff asap 2015-04-09T15:16:33 < dongs> before poles dickstart it 2015-04-09T15:17:40 < zyp> dongs, yes 2015-04-09T15:18:00 < zyp> F4 can run on anything from 4-26, no need to have two different values in BOM then 2015-04-09T15:19:27 < PeterM> dongs have not used reading now 2015-04-09T15:20:37 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T15:21:37 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-09T15:22:38 < dongs> hm these toshiba hdmi ics have OTP for the key, so i can buy small qty w/o key or 1k with key. meh 2015-04-09T15:22:43 < dongs> useless protection trash 2015-04-09T15:23:35 < _Sync_> get some without key and then just steal some key 2015-04-09T15:24:01 < dongs> the way it sounds OTP is factory-programmed 2015-04-09T15:25:38 < dongs> hm 2015-04-09T15:25:44 < dongs> my 15.6" 4K panel isnt here yet 2015-04-09T15:26:21 < dongs> laff 2015-04-09T15:26:22 < dongs> HK post 2015-04-09T15:26:26 < dongs> posting: apr 4 2015-04-09T15:26:30 < dongs> dispatch from hk: apr 9 2015-04-09T15:26:36 < dongs> the fuck does it take 5 days 2015-04-09T15:26:46 < dongs> to move inside a 100km^2 country 2015-04-09T15:27:36 < _Sync_> ye 2015-04-09T15:29:38 < trepidaciousMBR2> dongs: you can say what you want about HDMI copy protection - it may be a pain but it did completely stop any piracy of digital video! 2015-04-09T15:29:55 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR2: on what planet? 2015-04-09T15:30:07 < trepidaciousMBR2> dongs: Planet sarcasm ;) 2015-04-09T15:36:43 < PeterM> dongs can't you generate your own keys? 2015-04-09T15:37:06 < dongs> *I* can 2015-04-09T15:37:16 < dongs> i have something like 100k hdmi keys from various products i've had access to 2015-04-09T15:37:25 < dongs> but i'm sure they won't let me :p 2015-04-09T15:37:40 < dongs> you buy that shit up in 10k blocks from HDMI licensing shits 2015-04-09T15:37:42 < dongs> DTLA? or something 2015-04-09T15:37:59 < dongs> i guess toshiba allocates them for you when they make 1k lot 2015-04-09T15:39:10 < PeterM> also i\s this for hdcp 1 or 2? 2015-04-09T15:39:22 < dongs> 1 2015-04-09T15:39:27 < dongs> HDMI1.x onl does 1, no? 2015-04-09T15:39:41 < dongs> or did they backport HDCP2 to HDMi1.3/4? 2015-04-09T15:39:58 < dongs> it'd be kinda lame cuz like 99% of things wouldnt support it 2015-04-09T15:40:08 < dongs> just think tho 2015-04-09T15:40:17 < dongs> how much power worldwide hdcp encryption has wasted 2015-04-09T15:40:26 < dongs> all those extra gates 2015-04-09T15:40:28 < dongs> doing XORs 2015-04-09T15:40:33 < dongs> on liek 10gbps stream 2015-04-09T15:40:45 < PeterM> yeah i think its only hdmi 2 2015-04-09T15:40:51 < PeterM> for hdcp 2 2015-04-09T15:40:55 < dongs> thats what i thought 2015-04-09T15:41:04 < dongs> damn 2015-04-09T15:41:11 < dongs> want to use that beagleboner processor in a design 2015-04-09T15:41:17 < dongs> but the shit doesnt even support LVDS lcds 2015-04-09T15:41:20 < dongs> the ufck is this, 1996 2015-04-09T15:41:23 < PeterM> https://github.com/rjw57/hdcp-genkey + http://www.catb.org/esr/hdcp-master.txt *shrug* 2015-04-09T15:41:23 < dongs> parallel RGB wut 2015-04-09T15:41:41 < dongs> haha 2015-04-09T15:46:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T15:49:03 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T15:56:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T15:57:16 < dongs> PTN3700 in Receiver mode offers an optional advanced frame mixing feature, which allows 18-bit displays to effectively display 24-bit color resolution by applying a patent-pending pixel data processing algorithm to the 24-bit video input data. 2015-04-09T15:58:04 < dongs> more magic 2015-04-09T16:12:11 < karlp> another day, another product on my desk running a pic16f. 2015-04-09T16:12:34 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T16:13:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T16:17:02 < trepidaciousMBR2> dongs: Dithering I guess? 2015-04-09T16:18:12 < Steffanx> programming it in assembly karlp? 2015-04-09T16:18:23 < Steffanx> that would make it a perfect day 2015-04-09T16:22:03 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T16:23:56 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-09T16:25:18 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T16:31:39 < mitrax> on the STM32 can you tie any gpio pin to an interrupt? 2015-04-09T16:33:50 < Fleck> datasheet -> search -> external interrupts 2015-04-09T16:36:19 < dongs> "EXTI' 2015-04-09T16:36:45 < mitrax> yeah, was just confused about pins with the same number sharing the same interrupt line, the doc cleared that up, thanks :) 2015-04-09T16:40:35 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-09T16:44:17 < dongs> yes 2015-04-09T16:44:23 < dongs> some people dont notice this 2015-04-09T16:44:34 < dongs> that all exti lines are OR'd together from every gpio port 2015-04-09T16:44:54 < dongs> "I have exti on GPIOA1 and GPIOB1 and it doesnt wokr, wahahhh halp me!!!!" 2015-04-09T16:50:55 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-09T17:01:14 < Steffanx> aj, i have windows style update failures. They fail for some unknown reason. 2015-04-09T17:06:45 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T17:07:19 < superbia> News: Use Arduino to win a trip to space #hackaday 2015-04-09T17:07:58 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T17:08:24 < superbia> Could mess up d ship so we land/crash in japan --> how to get to japan stefan 2015-04-09T17:10:22 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-09T17:17:16 < Laurenceb> what dongs does at day job? 2015-04-09T17:17:18 < Laurenceb> www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/2r5xlp/sex_machine_racing/ 2015-04-09T17:17:59 < Laurenceb> O_o the comments 2015-04-09T17:18:05 < dongs> fucking jhaps 2015-04-09T17:19:22 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/VYL73M7.gif 2015-04-09T17:21:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T17:23:06 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-09T17:24:02 < Laurenceb> lol "Still more entertaining than NASCAR." 2015-04-09T17:26:54 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-09T17:34:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T17:37:18 < karlp> anyone happen to have a favourite 24V+ input buck regulator? looking for all the goodies of cheap, low part count, compact. ripple and quiescant current not super important. 2015-04-09T17:37:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T17:37:51 < karlp> rt8259 looks niceish 2015-04-09T17:43:06 < zyp> depending on how clean your 24V is 2015-04-09T17:44:22 < karlp> yeah, we normally only use 12V, but want to allow 24V 2015-04-09T17:44:49 < karlp> AP3003 is being suggestd, which seems crazy. it's 15kHz switcher, so big coils, and it's a great big package, presumably as it just includes everything else onboard. 2015-04-09T17:45:01 < zyp> 24V from where? 2015-04-09T17:46:34 < Tectu> jpa-, ping 2015-04-09T17:47:00 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-156-139.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-09T17:47:20 < karlp> "someone elses's problem" most likely something like a http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/MDR-10-12/?qs=umBTOZqEewj8b%252b9FxTiARg%3D%3D 2015-04-09T17:48:02 < karlp> only 24V, because I linked the wrong one 2015-04-09T17:52:13 < qyx_> I use L5973d 2015-04-09T17:53:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T17:54:34 < Laurenceb> lunix tiem 2015-04-09T17:54:36 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10082658 2015-04-09T17:55:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T17:58:06 < scummos> lol that looks broken in at least 2 ways :D 2015-04-09T17:59:04 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T18:00:26 < qyx_> karlp: regarding those MDR meanwell supplies, i used them once, during ~2years i replaced 2 of 2 2015-04-09T18:00:44 < qyx_> but i didn't investigate the exact cause 2015-04-09T18:01:46 < qyx_> they also have circuit-breaker-shaped din rail supplies 2015-04-09T18:03:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-09T18:05:20 < qyx_> DR.15 2015-04-09T18:10:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T18:10:50 < dongs> DR.15? 2015-04-09T18:12:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T18:13:42 < qyx_> DR-15 2015-04-09T18:14:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-09T18:27:39 < Tectu> where's jpa when you need him 2015-04-09T18:33:53 < PeterM> karlp how muc hcurrent output? 2015-04-09T18:34:32 < dongs> karlp: that MPS thing is also OK 2015-04-09T18:35:16 < dongs> MP2403 2015-04-09T18:35:28 < dongs> 250kHz tho 2015-04-09T18:35:29 < jpa-> Tectu: playing age of empires 2015-04-09T18:35:48 < dongs> rt8259 has shitty diode 2015-04-09T18:37:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T18:43:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.18] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T18:45:59 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-txngidgopjvrtvwa] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-09T18:50:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0BAkIrX.jpg lol attn Laurenceb 2015-04-09T18:51:44 < karlp> PeterM: ~1.2-1.8 should be enough. 1.5-2 would be more than enough. 2015-04-09T18:52:49 < karlp> yeah, rt8259 had a diode, but it didn't have all the other stuff on one of the other RT ones, with pairs of input and output caps, a rc network for compensation and pullups on an enable pin for instance. 2015-04-09T18:53:40 < dongs> ah right 2015-04-09T18:53:43 < dongs> the compensation trash 2015-04-09T18:53:53 < dongs> and wat, youre too cheap for 100K R? 2015-04-09T18:54:00 < dongs> im sure that costs less than a diode 2015-04-09T18:54:41 < karlp> qyx_: L5973D has all the compensation crap too 2015-04-09T18:54:48 < karlp> no, not cost, just space for all the cruft around it. 2015-04-09T18:55:01 < karlp> I mean, total net cost matters too 2015-04-09T18:55:06 < dongs> have you looked at AOZ stuff 2015-04-09T18:55:18 < karlp> yeah, trying to, their produict selector is teh suck 2015-04-09T18:55:26 < dongs> yes, it fucking is 2015-04-09T18:55:34 < dongs> you have to scroll through the fucking list 2015-04-09T18:55:45 < dongs> and has no drilldown/turn off shit you dont need 2015-04-09T18:55:56 < dongs> http://www.aosmd.com/products/power-ics/ezbuck-dc-dc-buck-regulators/AOZ1281DI 2015-04-09T18:56:02 < dongs> i was looking at this 2015-04-09T18:56:08 < karlp> yeah, mp2403 has the doubled 10uf input and doubled 22uf output too, 2015-04-09T18:56:13 < dongs> didnt like it cuz it w asnt in china 2015-04-09T18:57:03 < dongs> ive used that one on a fpga board running off 24V, seemed OK 2015-04-09T18:57:03 < karlp> that does look great though 2015-04-09T18:57:18 < karlp> stillhas a diode though :) 2015-04-09T18:57:22 < dongs> well yeah. 2015-04-09T18:57:26 < dongs> wasnt my choice at the time 2015-04-09T18:57:33 < dongs> USE OR SHUT UP 2015-04-09T18:57:58 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T18:58:18 < PeterM> karlp what supply you buy shit from? 2015-04-09T18:59:56 < dongs> i bet he uses pros at rscomponents 2015-04-09T19:00:02 < karlp> contract manufacturer in denmark for some of this, hope we sell enought o go elsewhere. 2015-04-09T19:00:19 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T19:00:30 < dongs> the only things i order from RS is Raspberry pies 2015-04-09T19:02:22 < dongs> fucking altidong 2015-04-09T19:02:34 < dongs> dicknplace export for bottom side is mirrored 2015-04-09T19:02:41 < dongs> so i have do do excel formula to fix it up 2015-04-09T19:02:46 < dongs> doing width-xvalue 2015-04-09T19:02:58 < karlp> thanks for the suggestions though, much appreciated. 2015-04-09T19:03:31 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADRR/WorkspaceManager_Dlg-PickPlaceSetup_Form%28%28Pick+and+Place+Setup%29%29_AD 2015-04-09T19:03:36 < dongs> nice SETUP bros 2015-04-09T19:03:45 < PeterM> depending on what you already have on your board, it may be worth while to go rt8110, if you already have generic fets already in bom 2015-04-09T19:04:12 < dongs> > 23V 2015-04-09T19:04:16 < dongs> wasnt his requirement 24V 2015-04-09T19:04:19 < PeterM> 28* 2015-04-09T19:04:29 < PeterM> stop squinting 2015-04-09T19:04:35 < dongs> 8110 datasheet says 23 bruv 2015-04-09T19:04:40 < dongs> http://www.richtek.com/download_ds.jsp?p=RT8110 2015-04-09T19:05:07 < PeterM> *b 2015-04-09T19:05:12 < PeterM> 8110b 2015-04-09T19:05:16 < dongs> o 2015-04-09T19:05:24 < dongs> also: way too many parts outside!!! 2015-04-09T19:05:38 < PeterM> b much lesss 2015-04-09T19:05:51 < karlp> PeterM: nah, this is just to feed a carambola2 lunix module and usb hub in. looking for as little glue as possible 2015-04-09T19:06:26 < zyp> since you're already doing modules, just grab some step down module :p 2015-04-09T19:06:31 < dongs> maybe i should spend the time to learn this report manager shit 2015-04-09T19:06:33 < karlp> yeah, fuck no, that 8110 is crazy 2015-04-09T19:06:39 < karlp> zyp: that's what's on the proto :) 2015-04-09T19:06:42 < dongs> so i dont have to manually edit each dicknplace export 2015-04-09T19:07:02 < karlp> one of those "switching buck in a 3pin reg format" modules. 2015-04-09T19:07:05 < dongs> btw zyp, yyour shit topside is done 2015-04-09T19:07:13 < zyp> cool 2015-04-09T19:07:16 < dongs> i um 2015-04-09T19:07:23 < dongs> ran out of 25mhz xtals 2015-04-09T19:07:26 < dongs> somehow. 2015-04-09T19:07:39 < dongs> for some reaosn i got 20 instead of 24. 2015-04-09T19:07:43 < zyp> haha 2015-04-09T19:07:44 < dongs> not sure if china fuckup or mine 2015-04-09T19:07:52 < dongs> so what i did was 2015-04-09T19:08:05 < dongs> put them on phy as long as i could 2015-04-09T19:08:20 < dongs> or something, i forget 2015-04-09T19:08:26 < dongs> anyway i think you have 10 boards with * on it 2015-04-09T19:08:30 < dongs> and 2 remaining wiht missing stuff. 2015-04-09T19:08:37 < zyp> ok, fair enough 2015-04-09T19:08:49 < dongs> also tehse 407's have only one id dot 2015-04-09T19:09:01 < dongs> like all the sane chips do 2015-04-09T19:09:06 < zyp> maybe ST decided to stop confusing people 2015-04-09T19:09:32 < dongs> shall i tweet pix in here w/infoz covered or in privmsg 2015-04-09T19:09:39 < PeterM> maybe they decided to use allign mark as mold eject pin liek everyone else 2015-04-09T19:09:40 < zyp> privmsg 2015-04-09T19:09:45 < dongs> kk 1 sec 2015-04-09T19:10:43 < zyp> hmm, I guess you could just ship shit to my home addr, just don't declare more than $30 or so 2015-04-09T19:10:51 < karlp> doh, damn norwegian militiarty gadgets for retaking their sub base will never see the light of day now... 2015-04-09T19:11:15 < dongs> zyp: see /notice 2015-04-09T19:11:22 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-09T19:11:42 < zyp> looks nice 2015-04-09T19:11:48 < dongs> ya it turned out prety ok 2015-04-09T19:12:46 < dongs> ill do backside tomrorw or something. hopefully. i got other crap in queue too. but if I dont then it wont ship till monday. 2015-04-09T19:12:55 < dongs> otherwise tomrorw 2015-04-09T19:13:12 < zyp> ok 2015-04-09T19:13:27 < dongs> hopefully the caps wont' fall off on 2nd reflow cycle 2015-04-09T19:13:27 < dongs> huhu 2015-04-09T19:13:40 < dongs> they actually leveld surprisingly well 2015-04-09T19:13:46 < zyp> I'm a bit surprised that you didn't do backside first 2015-04-09T19:13:46 < dongs> centered rather 2015-04-09T19:14:23 < dongs> pssh, if I didnt do topside today it wouldnt be done until next week 2015-04-09T19:14:32 < dongs> cuz i gotta reload dicknplace for other shit 2015-04-09T19:15:02 < dongs> it'll b e fine im sure. 2015-04-09T19:15:14 < dongs> bottom side gets nowhere near teh heat 2015-04-09T19:15:18 < dongs> and its 4L 2015-04-09T19:15:26 < dongs> with 2 heatsink layers for L2/L3 2015-04-09T19:15:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T19:15:39 < zyp> true 2015-04-09T19:17:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T19:17:30 < zyp> uh, the leftmost usb connector on the pic looks a bit skewed 2015-04-09T19:17:58 < dongs> its not 2015-04-09T19:18:10 < zyp> ok, good 2015-04-09T19:18:48 < dongs> oh, fucking hell, it is. i pushed every one of t hose fuckers in. 2015-04-09T19:18:51 < dongs> will fix :) 2015-04-09T19:19:01 < zyp> haha 2015-04-09T19:21:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T19:25:10 < dongs> k zzz time 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2015-04-09T21:44:47 < Laurenceb> no 2015-04-09T21:44:50 < Laurenceb> i get errors 2015-04-09T21:44:54 < karlp> also, that's not a waterfall plot, that's a river! 2015-04-09T21:45:24 < Laurenceb> what OS/viewer? 2015-04-09T21:45:47 < karlp> fedora 20, it opened automatically in gnome print preview 2015-04-09T21:45:53 < Laurenceb> weird 2015-04-09T21:46:15 < Laurenceb> can you pass it through epstoeps 2015-04-09T21:46:19 < Laurenceb> or whatever its called 2015-04-09T21:46:35 < Laurenceb> /usr/bin/epstool --quiet --copy --bbox '/tmp/oct-p9RmB2.eps' 'Graphics/Forehead_spec_2012-12-14T14-47-49.eps' 2015-04-09T21:46:38 < Laurenceb> in and out 2015-04-09T21:46:48 < Laurenceb> segfaults for me 2015-04-09T21:47:10 < karlp> $ eps2eps ~/Downloads/oct-p9RmB2.eps crap.eps 2015-04-09T21:47:11 < karlp> karlp@teros:~/src/openwrt-trunk (master)$ xdg-open crap.eps 2015-04-09T21:47:13 < karlp> works just fine 2015-04-09T21:47:30 < Laurenceb> how strange 2015-04-09T21:47:48 < Laurenceb> any chance you could stick that back on filebin.ca for me to test, thanks for the help 2015-04-09T21:47:57 < qyx_> karlp: 5 passives, not much 2015-04-09T21:48:28 < qyx_> i couldn't find anything better for such high voltages 2015-04-09T21:48:50 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T21:48:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-09T21:49:08 < karlp> I've sent it to the duder doing the layout, he had them all laid out with their parts, we'll see what ends up getting chosen. 2015-04-09T21:51:08 < qyx_> i meant 5 resistors, not passives 2015-04-09T21:51:16 < qyx_> but meh 2015-04-09T21:51:24 < karlp> http://filebin.ca/1xlYnAuI0UK3/crap.eps 2015-04-09T21:51:24 < qyx_> big coil and output caps 2015-04-09T21:52:05 < Laurenceb> ah thanks 2015-04-09T21:52:09 < Laurenceb> that works fine here 2015-04-09T21:53:32 < qyx_> haha, evince doesn't work too 2015-04-09T21:53:42 < qyx_> with the first file 2015-04-09T21:54:20 < Steffanx> it fails here too Laurenceb 2015-04-09T21:54:54 < zyp> here too 2015-04-09T21:55:11 < Laurenceb> interesting, thought somethign was wrong 2015-04-09T21:55:17 < zyp> karlp's file works 2015-04-09T21:55:21 < Laurenceb> only the second one opens in evince for me 2015-04-09T21:55:21 < qyx_> yep 2015-04-09T21:55:44 < qyx_> gs --version -> 9.06 2015-04-09T21:56:04 < qyx_> if that matters 2015-04-09T21:58:42 < karlp> I've got 9.14 2015-04-09T21:59:08 < karlp> why is there even a file called eps2eps?! hwo fucked is eps that that's needed? 2015-04-09T22:00:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.18.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-09T22:01:43 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-04-09T22:01:45 < Laurenceb> very 2015-04-09T22:26:16 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T22:26:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T22:32:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T22:41:14 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kakimir> what motors? 2015-04-09T23:28:44 < superbia> for glider 2015-04-09T23:28:45 < kakimir> 8) ?? 2015-04-09T23:28:52 < kakimir> oh 2015-04-09T23:28:58 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T23:28:59 < kakimir> not yet 2015-04-09T23:29:04 < superbia> didnt you recieve theral aassistance on the ##flyhigh channel? 2015-04-09T23:29:18 < kakimir> typical rc channel 2015-04-09T23:30:11 < kakimir> luckily not chat about quads non stop 2015-04-09T23:30:22 < superbia> shitty quads are shitty 2015-04-09T23:31:48 < superbia> luckily somewrote parrot ar control in .js so you can scan for mac adr, deauth the owner, and drive it (taking it from someone) 2015-04-09T23:32:45 < kakimir> wut 2015-04-09T23:33:25 < superbia> like you buy parrot ar, and i control it 2015-04-09T23:37:04 < kakimir> I won't 2015-04-09T23:38:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-09T23:41:41 < kakimir> I rather buy tools with that money 2015-04-09T23:42:00 < kakimir> /build 2015-04-09T23:42:12 < kakimir> and materials 2015-04-09T23:48:13 < kakimir> how cool. I have 4radios in my posession 2015-04-09T23:51:04 < kakimir> 2 of which are mine 2015-04-09T23:53:01 < superbia> models? 2015-04-09T23:53:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-09T23:55:32 < kakimir> :) 2x turnigy x9 and 2x hitec optic 6 35mhz 2015-04-09T23:55:59 < kakimir> I'm really happy with x9 2015-04-09T23:57:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-09T23:57:07 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host240-219-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-09T23:57:42 < kakimir> I rather not use anything expensives with 35mhz radios --- Day changed Fri Apr 10 2015 2015-04-10T00:04:16 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host240-219-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:04:41 < superbia> nice 2015-04-10T00:06:36 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-10T00:07:43 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:09:15 < kakimir> reveivers are prone to interference 2015-04-10T00:09:21 < kakimir> *receivers 2015-04-10T00:17:29 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-204.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:17:35 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-204.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-10T00:21:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:21:35 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-10T00:26:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1cfe70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T00:34:59 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T00:38:31 < dongs> dicks 2015-04-10T00:38:53 < dongs> < karlp> $ eps2eps ~/Downloads/oct-p9RmB2.eps crap.eps 2015-04-10T00:38:59 < dongs> typical redundant lunix trash 2015-04-10T00:39:14 < dongs> what does that even do 2015-04-10T00:39:20 < dongs> is it another replacement for cat? 2015-04-10T00:39:30 < Steffanx> probably convert from version x to x or something? 2015-04-10T00:40:08 < Steffanx> oh no, just some optimizer 2015-04-10T00:40:29 < dongs> i bet postscript coming out of acrobat printer is pristine 2015-04-10T00:40:34 < dongs> and cannot be any further optimized 2015-04-10T00:40:38 < Laurenceb_> sup 2015-04-10T00:40:46 < dongs> by shitty lunix tools 2015-04-10T00:40:54 < Steffanx> not everyone uses good tools 2015-04-10T00:40:54 < superbia> sup haters 2015-04-10T00:40:56 < Laurenceb_> it fixes screw up in the eps file 2015-04-10T00:41:00 < Laurenceb_> *ups 2015-04-10T00:41:04 < Steffanx> tha sky brah, superbia 2015-04-10T00:41:29 < superbia> is tha another dutch word you say when your high 2015-04-10T00:41:37 < Steffanx> no 2015-04-10T00:42:10 < dongs> high as fuck 2015-04-10T00:42:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.thedose.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/5929AD4D-1087-4885-8DB6-ABAF2D5127FB9.jpg 2015-04-10T00:42:21 < Steffanx> it's something ranewen taught me, superbia 2015-04-10T00:42:43 < Steffanx> ranewen was a nice guy, i miss him 2015-04-10T00:43:35 -!- scummos [scummos@gateway/shell/kde/x-wwpmgyuzvytqsiks] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:43:44 < zyp> Steffanx, how's inventing going? 2015-04-10T00:43:54 < Steffanx> perfect. 2015-04-10T00:44:03 < Steffanx> there? 2015-04-10T00:45:42 < Steffanx> i dont invent btw, i make 2015-04-10T00:45:49 < dongs> MAKE:R 2015-04-10T00:45:57 < dongs> you don't make unless tarduino is involved 2015-04-10T00:46:14 < Steffanx> does porting arduino libs count too? 2015-04-10T00:46:16 < emeb> innovat:r 2015-04-10T00:47:13 < dongs> heh cnx-software.com (some spammy-looking blag site) linked to my ipad display shit, and i've got a bunch more orders than usualy per day for them 2015-04-10T00:47:31 < emeb> saw that a few days back. 2015-04-10T00:47:36 < emeb> ur famous 2015-04-10T00:47:44 < dongs> not nearly hackaday-famous tho 2015-04-10T00:47:54 * emeb submits dongs to hackaday 2015-04-10T00:49:32 < dongs> i havent done much interesting to submit yet 2015-04-10T00:50:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QiU4QOG.jpg 2015-04-10T00:51:18 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.29.38] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:51:45 < zyp> heh 2015-04-10T00:51:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T00:52:04 < emeb> so true - esp the powerlines. 2015-04-10T00:54:16 < superbia> bedtime 2015-04-10T00:54:22 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-10T00:55:25 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/380737413640 2015-04-10T00:56:40 < Steffanx> "Does not ship to Netherlands" .. kind of surprised by that 2015-04-10T00:59:23 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host240-219-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-10T01:00:17 < dongs> is .nl all stonerrs? 2015-04-10T01:00:28 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T01:00:51 < zyp> just like .jp is all animu, I guess 2015-04-10T01:01:06 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host240-219-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T01:01:56 < emeb> article I read recently about how US police are tracking down illegal growers from the RFI that the grow-lights emit. 2015-04-10T01:01:57 < kakimir> dongs dreams of own hydroponic garden? 2015-04-10T01:02:11 < emeb> apparently the cheap chinese ballasts are very noisy 2015-04-10T01:02:23 < zyp> heh 2015-04-10T01:02:50 < dongs> haha 2015-04-10T01:03:17 < dongs> few months ago some dude on #stonertronics wwas looking for a designer to do some super inovative grow light 2015-04-10T01:03:19 < Tectu> enjoy crappy dummy load spam 2015-04-10T01:03:20 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/71d30b5e39b1.jpg 2015-04-10T01:03:23 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/8867e780adf4.jpg 2015-04-10T01:03:26 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/d78057f3398e.jpg 2015-04-10T01:03:42 < dongs> dude 2015-04-10T01:03:49 < dongs> why didnt youjust buy RE:LOAD PRO from dickstarter 2015-04-10T01:04:05 < dongs> http://www.arachnidlabs.com/reload-pro/ 2015-04-10T01:04:11 < Tectu> because. 2015-04-10T01:04:16 < dongs> its only $125. 2015-04-10T01:04:24 < kakimir> growers nature is such you buy cheapest possible lighting 2015-04-10T01:04:26 < dongs> its actually fairly reasonable. 2015-04-10T01:05:09 < dongs> dat load PCB trace looks kidna dodgy 2015-04-10T01:05:12 < dongs> why so thin 2015-04-10T01:05:19 < dongs> not very pro 2015-04-10T01:05:30 < zyp> hardcore smt assembly 2015-04-10T01:06:48 < Tectu> dongs, because it was flying around my desk and I don't need more than a couple of hundert mA 2015-04-10T01:09:35 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-10T01:17:04 < dongs> pssh 2015-04-10T01:17:29 < dongs> I must say that the whole torquing team have real commitment to achieving the end goal. Well done on keeping up the fantastic communication whilst developing such an exciting, innovative product. 2015-04-10T01:17:56 < Steffanx> yw 2015-04-10T01:20:50 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T01:23:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-10T01:24:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-10T01:25:53 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T01:31:06 < jef79m> dongs: "Interesting question. Zano firmware or Zano OS as I tend to refer it by, is entirely purpose by built by us for Zano and built in assembly language. There is no use of third party libraries or third party code, nor the use of third party algorithms. Even things like our sin and arc tan functions are build by us." 2015-04-10T01:31:51 < dongs> saw and twatted that already. 2015-04-10T01:32:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T01:32:47 < jef79m> oh. 2015-04-10T01:37:23 < Steffanx> no third party algorithms ... man, zano comes with dozens of patents? 2015-04-10T01:37:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T01:38:10 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-10T01:40:54 < dongs> Steffanx: i bet he totally didnt reference "PID" article on kikepedia when writing zano OS from scratch in assembly 2015-04-10T01:41:58 < Laurenceb_> Zano OS 2015-04-10T01:42:00 < Laurenceb_> LOL 2015-04-10T01:42:16 < dongs> dont fuck with his proprietary military tech bro 2015-04-10T01:42:35 < Laurenceb_> they reinvented sin and cos from first principles 2015-04-10T01:43:01 < Laurenceb_> also fuck you Pythagoras you cloner 2015-04-10T01:43:03 < dongs> yea because fuck using existing optimized code that works right 2015-04-10T01:43:12 < dongs> write my own sin() cos() in as m 2015-04-10T01:43:15 < dongs> just because i can 2015-04-10T01:43:33 < dongs> i bet even gcc's libm is better than wahtever torquing would shit out 2015-04-10T01:45:06 < Simon--> haha 2015-04-10T01:45:28 < Simon--> I always write my own arctan 2015-04-10T01:45:55 < Simon--> this way I can take 4*atan(1) and have some pi 2015-04-10T01:46:12 < dongs> at least you actually probably could 2015-04-10T01:46:27 < dongs> unlike master conman ex footballer 2015-04-10T01:48:20 < dongs> they'll probvly ship something that wont fly out of the box and come wiht asm-written USB bootloader 2015-04-10T01:48:32 < dongs> and promises that they will deliver amazing autonomous flight code "real soon now" 2015-04-10T01:49:16 < dongs> after they find out they can't actually fly due to LM1117 dropping below 3.3V at throttle up and resetting DICK32, they'll start lines of excuses 2015-04-10T01:51:06 < [7]> well, with some very careful throttling up... 2015-04-10T01:52:40 < dongs> highly optimized assembly throttle up 2015-04-10T01:55:39 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-10T01:55:55 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-10T01:59:33 < englishman> Dongs 2015-04-10T01:59:35 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/IrurN8Zh.jpg 2015-04-10T01:59:40 < englishman> Arrived 2015-04-10T01:59:49 < dongs> haha is that a doge keychain 2015-04-10T01:59:50 < zyp> wow 2015-04-10T02:00:00 < englishman> Very wow 2015-04-10T02:01:41 < dongs> is that new osdoge shipping package 2015-04-10T02:02:26 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.111.102.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T02:10:14 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@rle-eecs-mtl-dhcp-27-231.mit.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T02:10:58 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-10T02:11:00 < englishman> Lol 2015-04-10T02:11:19 < Laurenceb_> doge OS 2015-04-10T02:11:25 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T02:12:12 < Laurenceb_> holy shit 2015-04-10T02:12:14 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dogeos.net/ 2015-04-10T02:12:20 < Laurenceb_> wow internet 2015-04-10T02:13:07 < englishman> :O 2015-04-10T02:13:18 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-10T02:13:30 < Laurenceb_> Ultimate Cloud 2015-04-10T02:14:18 < Laurenceb_> wait is this real 2015-04-10T02:14:30 < Laurenceb_> poes law strikes.... 2015-04-10T02:14:30 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T02:23:41 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-10T02:31:20 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@rle-eecs-mtl-dhcp-27-231.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-10T02:33:38 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@dhcp-18-111-44-62.dyn.mit.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T02:35:07 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T02:37:11 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-10T02:39:59 < dongs> argh 2015-04-10T02:40:14 < dongs> pcb place fuckers put mask into npth holes 2015-04-10T02:42:42 < zyp> wat 2015-04-10T02:42:58 < dongs> like, mask leaked in and covered the hole 2015-04-10T02:43:09 < dongs> it was like ~1mm hole for smt connector alignment peg 2015-04-10T02:43:13 < dongs> (not your shit, some other crap im assembling 2015-04-10T02:43:24 < zyp> oh, good 2015-04-10T02:44:51 < zyp> uh, how does that even happen? I thought mask was applied before holes were drilled 2015-04-10T02:45:10 < zyp> no, wait, that would mean you couldn't do tented vias 2015-04-10T02:47:35 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host240-219-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-10T02:47:55 < dongs> not sure, maybe these holes were too small 2015-04-10T02:48:09 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@95.235.209.120] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T02:48:11 < dongs> oh lolz 2015-04-10T02:48:21 < dongs> i have it as " solder mask tenting" top +_ bottom 2015-04-10T02:48:24 < dongs> on the hole 2015-04-10T02:48:24 < dongs> WTF 2015-04-10T02:48:33 < dongs> so they actualyl just did what they were trold ;p 2015-04-10T02:49:23 < dongs> its a 0.6mm hole 2015-04-10T02:54:13 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@dhcp-18-111-44-62.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-10T03:01:47 < emeb> Waiting around for huge matlab sim to finish 2015-04-10T03:02:49 < emeb> haven't used buck-boost before 2015-04-10T03:03:08 < emeb> I have seen switchers that "talk" to eachother when pulling from the same source. 2015-04-10T03:03:53 < emeb> I've also seen switchers fail when it was attempted to isolate them from the source via a choke 2015-04-10T03:04:30 < emeb> how fail? 2015-04-10T03:04:41 < dongs> uh 2015-04-10T03:04:56 < dongs> sounds like you hooked it up wrong 2015-04-10T03:05:05 < emeb> and if you disconnect one? 2015-04-10T03:09:35 < emeb> That's what the big bypass caps on the inputs are supposed to fix 2015-04-10T03:10:08 < emeb> might need to put several decades apart values - 10uf, 1uf, 0.1uf, etc. 2015-04-10T03:10:52 < dongs> what are they, cascaded? 2015-04-10T03:10:53 < dongs> or wat 2015-04-10T03:10:58 < dongs> or just parallel 2015-04-10T03:11:03 < dongs> to increase current? 2015-04-10T03:11:06 < dongs> or different voltage rails 2015-04-10T03:11:06 < emeb> R2COM: also may need smaller values that are resonant at higher freqs 2015-04-10T03:11:29 < dongs> i've ran some cheap china switchers in parallel (boost, actually), and they were ok 2015-04-10T03:11:46 < emeb> to catch fast edges - your switchers are running at 100kHz - 10MHz ranges so caps need to work there too 2015-04-10T03:13:20 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-10T03:13:30 < emeb> need 'em on input too, where the switchers are actually seeing eachother. 2015-04-10T03:13:54 < emeb> R2COM: did the datasheet spec what type of cap on input? 2015-04-10T03:14:03 < emeb> ie - ESR, freq resp, etc. 2015-04-10T03:14:56 < qyx_> not that common to see tantals at 2.4MHz switchers 2015-04-10T03:16:54 < emeb> hmm.. high damping suggests large ESR which is *not* what you want on the input of your switchers 2015-04-10T03:17:32 < emeb> you want the input caps to be able to dump a lot of current into the switcher when asked. 2015-04-10T03:17:48 < emeb> otherwise there will be a lot of ripple on the input. 2015-04-10T03:17:50 < qyx_> couldn't you decouple the input with some LC magic? 2015-04-10T03:17:57 < emeb> which could confuse the other loads. 2015-04-10T03:18:40 < qyx_> to limit the spike and maintain input reservoir with low esr 2015-04-10T03:22:15 < emeb> R2COM: I see multiple switchers hanging from one source supply often 2015-04-10T03:22:37 < emeb> I've done buck switchers - that ncp part dongs showed me has two switchers in one pkg. 2015-04-10T03:24:05 < qyx_> it was even synchronized from the same clock source iirc 2015-04-10T03:24:11 < qyx_> *they were 2015-04-10T03:24:26 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:bcfe:48b1:fcdd:175d] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T03:30:20 < dongs> huh 2015-04-10T03:30:27 < dongs> are you drawing lots of current or something 2015-04-10T03:30:56 < dongs> aboard a made few weeks ago has 3 switchers on it 2015-04-10T03:31:00 < dongs> dual and single output 2015-04-10T03:31:03 < dongs> all from same vcc 2015-04-10T03:31:20 < dongs> no issues at all.. and i didnt bother simulating anything 2015-04-10T03:31:42 < qyx_> what input caps did you use? 2015-04-10T03:31:58 < qyx_> i mean dongs 2015-04-10T03:32:17 < dongs> qyx_: 10uF 0603 2015-04-10T03:32:22 < dongs> 1 on dual, 1 on single input 2015-04-10T03:32:34 < qyx_> 0603 /o\ 2015-04-10T03:32:53 < dongs> they have 22uF in 0603 2015-04-10T03:32:56 < dongs> i didnt know until zyp ordered some 2015-04-10T03:33:10 < qyx_> they have less than 50% at 3.3v 2015-04-10T03:33:31 < qyx_> capacitance at that size 2015-04-10T03:34:03 < qyx_> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5527 2015-04-10T03:35:00 < qyx_> they too 2015-04-10T03:36:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwkipglahiwmjcgd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-10T03:36:13 < qyx_> i always tend to use 0805 or 1206 for switchers if theres a space for them 2015-04-10T03:36:44 < qyx_> may be 2015-04-10T03:38:16 < qyx_> i tried powering a radio module directly from 1.6MHz buck with 10uF 0603 output cap 2015-04-10T03:38:19 < qyx_> didn't work :S 2015-04-10T03:38:31 < qyx_> ~50mV ripple 2015-04-10T03:38:47 < qyx_> i mean no usable data was received 2015-04-10T03:39:21 < dongs> doesnt that mean you did somethign else wrong 2015-04-10T03:39:28 < qyx_> that too 2015-04-10T03:39:53 < qyx_> but chaining 10uF 1206, 4.7uF 0805 and 1uF 0603 helped a lot 2015-04-10T03:40:09 < qyx_> maybe just luck 2015-04-10T03:40:15 < qyx_> paralel 2015-04-10T03:40:25 < qyx_> to the output, yes 2015-04-10T03:40:44 < dongs> you should used a magic LC filter 2015-04-10T03:41:02 < qyx_> hmpf 2015-04-10T03:41:42 < qyx_> then i grabbed ncl700b lownoise ldo 2015-04-10T03:41:51 < qyx_> *ncp700b 2015-04-10T03:41:52 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T03:42:26 < dongs> nah 2015-04-10T03:42:31 < dongs> just use LM1117 2015-04-10T03:42:33 < dongs> like zano 2015-04-10T03:42:34 < dongs> done 2015-04-10T03:42:47 < qyx_> i should populate this si446x board 2015-04-10T03:42:53 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-10T03:42:54 -!- [1]PeterM is now known as PeterM 2015-04-10T03:42:58 < qyx_> something to learn on 2015-04-10T03:43:12 < qyx_> i prepared some redundant footrpints for saw and lna 2015-04-10T03:44:48 < dongs> i got some of those3 pin shits 2015-04-10T03:45:03 < dongs> EMIFIL somethign 2015-04-10T03:45:24 < dongs> http://www.murata.com/en-global/products/emc/emifil/chip 2015-04-10T03:45:32 < dongs> that circular thing 2015-04-10T03:45:36 < dongs> bottom left in 3 group pic 2015-04-10T03:46:23 < dongs> sharpen that insertion loss 2015-04-10T03:46:27 < qyx_> if i were a super pro i would use rf can too 2015-04-10T03:46:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ozn0Did.jpg looks like this shit reflowed ok 2015-04-10T03:46:56 < dongs> too bad i gotta drive out 2015-04-10T03:47:02 < dongs> or else i can try to make it work 2015-04-10T03:47:03 < qyx_> attenuating such things probably won't help if the inductor is radiating 5cm away 2015-04-10T03:55:04 < kakimir> dongs: is that your stamp on silk? 2015-04-10T03:55:13 < dongs> YES HOW IS IT 2015-04-10T03:55:19 < dongs> THE DONGS FAMILY STAMP 2015-04-10T03:55:31 < kakimir> nice 2015-04-10T03:57:33 < zyp> what's it supposed to be? I can't make out anything but the teapot 2015-04-10T03:58:36 < kakimir> there is a girl sipping tea over the teapot 2015-04-10T03:58:53 < qyx_> Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0115' Unexpected error 2015-04-10T03:58:53 < qyx_> pls 2015-04-10T04:01:42 < ReadError> dongs can your fab do castellated vias? 2015-04-10T04:01:53 < ReadError> during panelization 2015-04-10T04:01:54 < dongs> yes 2015-04-10T04:01:58 < dongs> um 2015-04-10T04:02:04 < dongs> if you panel with routing sure 2015-04-10T04:02:19 < ReadError> if i pay them to panelize it? 2015-04-10T04:02:25 < dongs> it d oesnt cost anything to panel 2015-04-10T04:02:35 < dongs> you just have to have a mspaint 2015-04-10T04:02:38 < dongs> of what you want it to look like 2015-04-10T04:02:55 < ReadError> alright, i might be doing some work for one of ur customers 2015-04-10T04:03:01 < ReadError> who wont care about $$ 2015-04-10T04:04:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HiiN2nH.png 2015-04-10T04:04:02 < dongs> here's example 2015-04-10T04:04:23 < ReadError> oh neat, with osh requires some hax 2015-04-10T04:04:27 < ReadError> since they will add tabs anywhere 2015-04-10T04:04:30 < dongs> if you do like this, you can have castellated vias on the blue lines 2015-04-10T04:04:44 < dongs> but not on orange lines 2015-04-10T04:05:02 < dongs> R2COM: lol, missed chance to shape it into a swastika 2015-04-10T04:05:10 < qyx_> lol 2015-04-10T04:05:24 < kakimir> what fab dongs use? 2015-04-10T04:05:30 < dongs> dongsfab 2015-04-10T04:05:43 < qyx_> wut the drilling 2015-04-10T04:05:45 < qyx_> under the qfn 2015-04-10T04:05:55 < zyp> wtf is up with the holes in that pattern? doesn't orcad support grids? 2015-04-10T04:06:01 < dongs> qyx, ORCAD doens't support grid 2015-04-10T04:06:03 < qyx_> were they drunk? 2015-04-10T04:06:04 < dongs> bah zyp beat me to it 2015-04-10T04:06:05 < qyx_> aha 2015-04-10T04:06:09 < zyp> haha 2015-04-10T04:06:17 < dongs> wut 2015-04-10T04:06:24 < dongs> fuck off 2015-04-10T04:06:29 < qyx_> they don't see very symmetrical 2015-04-10T04:06:30 < dongs> they're clearly drilled byr a drunk chinaman 2015-04-10T04:06:33 < qyx_> seem 2015-04-10T04:06:34 < qyx_> meh 2015-04-10T04:09:32 < qyx_> when i see those microstrips or waveguides 2015-04-10T04:09:39 < qyx_> any recommended dualband n router? 2015-04-10T04:09:42 < zyp> and why does it need 50 holes anyway? are you going to mount a fan to it and use the holes for air cooling? 2015-04-10T04:09:48 < qyx_> *dualradio, not dualband 2015-04-10T04:10:27 < dongs> oshpark is garbage, what a shock 2015-04-10T04:11:41 < ReadError> osh is a good option for quick stuff 2015-04-10T04:11:49 < ReadError> its cheap for a few boards, comes in about 10 days 2015-04-10T04:11:53 < ReadError> cant complain much 2015-04-10T04:12:03 < zyp> «quick» «10 days» 2015-04-10T04:12:38 < dongs> lol 10 days 2015-04-10T04:12:42 < dongs> my shit comes in 2-3 2015-04-10T04:12:47 < dongs> and thats "standard" 2015-04-10T04:12:55 < dongs> i can have it 24h if it was really that important 2015-04-10T04:13:04 < dongs> and usualyl if the factory fucks up thats how they do replacements 2015-04-10T04:13:13 < dongs> i.e. you order 2-3 days protos 2015-04-10T04:13:15 < dongs> tehy fucked them up 2015-04-10T04:13:15 < ReadError> yea but you do paid work and volume 2015-04-10T04:13:18 < dongs> they will redo in 24h 2015-04-10T04:13:45 < qyx_> even seeed does 2 weeks 2015-04-10T04:13:50 < ReadError> last board I put in was 17x16mm 2015-04-10T04:13:50 < qyx_> and the drills are better 2015-04-10T04:13:54 < ReadError> 4L 2015-04-10T04:14:09 < ReadError> what other options do I have if I want to test a few 2015-04-10T04:14:22 < dongs> k driving 4 real 2015-04-10T04:14:22 < dongs> bbl 2015-04-10T04:14:38 < zyp> doesn't seeed also do 4L now? 2015-04-10T04:14:39 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-Drz9GgD/0/X3/CA_04071513012526-X3.jpg 2015-04-10T04:14:47 < ReadError> look at my tarduino dongs 2015-04-10T04:14:58 < zyp> that said, oshpark is better than seeed in my experiences 2015-04-10T04:16:01 < qyx_> much kapton tape 2015-04-10T04:16:12 < ReadError> yea but if you consider, 3 boards = $4.20 shipped 2015-04-10T04:16:17 < ReadError> you cant beat that with a bag of dildos 2015-04-10T04:16:44 < zyp> are those 0402? 2015-04-10T04:16:51 < zyp> the pads looks oversized for the parts 2015-04-10T04:17:30 < ReadError> yes 0402 2015-04-10T04:17:34 < ReadError> but 0603 will fit too 2015-04-10T04:17:48 < ReadError> plus hand paste + hand place 2015-04-10T04:17:56 < ReadError> i have a smaller footprint but its more of a bitch 2015-04-10T04:18:04 < zyp> and hand-rework of tombstones? 2015-04-10T04:18:06 < zyp> really? 2015-04-10T04:18:17 < zyp> I'd think the larger footprint would be more prone to tombstones 2015-04-10T04:18:26 < ReadError> zyp well, i dont need to rework 2015-04-10T04:18:28 < ReadError> hand reflow 2015-04-10T04:18:34 < zyp> with iron? 2015-04-10T04:18:37 < ReadError> hot air 2015-04-10T04:18:48 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-44-151.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T04:18:49 < zyp> can still get tombstones with hot air, no? 2015-04-10T04:19:08 < ReadError> i like to call them component boners 2015-04-10T04:19:12 < ReadError> but yes sometimes 2015-04-10T04:19:27 < zyp> I mean, hot air is probably more prone to tombstoning than IR reflow 2015-04-10T04:19:30 < ReadError> but since its still wet I can just use a tweezer to push it back down 2015-04-10T04:20:17 < zyp> if you say so 2015-04-10T04:20:28 < ReadError> gotta make do with what we got ;) 2015-04-10T04:20:35 < zyp> yeah, that's what I do 2015-04-10T04:20:44 < zyp> I don't think I've had a 0603 tombstone ever 2015-04-10T04:21:20 < zyp> so I'm just going to use that, unless I need to do something super compact 2015-04-10T04:21:56 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-233-207.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T04:22:21 < zyp> there's a 2:3 difference 2015-04-10T04:23:35 -!- Roklobsta|2 [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-233-207.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T04:24:34 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-233-207.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T04:26:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T04:26:35 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-233-207.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-10T04:29:13 < emeb_mac> I've used all of those. It depends on the system. 2015-04-10T04:29:25 < emeb_mac> gardner is the one I'm most familiar with. 2015-04-10T04:31:44 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T04:31:46 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:38e:bcfe:48b1:fcdd:175d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-10T04:33:08 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T04:35:13 -!- Roklobsta|2 [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-233-207.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-10T04:44:14 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-10T04:53:55 < emeb_mac> buzzing tesla coils in tune w/ music is fairly common these days. 2015-04-10T04:54:19 < emeb_mac> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/onetesla/tinytesla-the-little-singing-tesla-coil-anyone-can 2015-04-10T05:33:16 < dongs> dongs 2015-04-10T05:37:45 < ReadError> driving and blogging? 2015-04-10T05:38:01 < dongs> no, im back 2015-04-10T05:38:13 < ReadError> did you see my speksat killer 2015-04-10T05:42:26 < dongs> "killer" would imply cheaper and better 2015-04-10T05:42:30 < dongs> how can anything you clone be either 2015-04-10T05:42:57 < ReadError> its a full range UHF 2015-04-10T05:43:12 < dongs> so it actually has nothign to do with speksat 2015-04-10T05:43:22 < ReadError> well its for that market I guess 2015-04-10T05:43:31 < ReadError> well not market, but that size shit 2015-04-10T05:47:44 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-10T05:47:52 < ReadError> china guy said 2290 pcs hes buying 2015-04-10T05:47:59 < ReadError> guess thats how many fit on 1sq m 2015-04-10T05:59:03 < dongs> talking liek a pro cloner 2015-04-10T06:00:11 < ReadError> no see 2015-04-10T06:00:16 < ReadError> its even easier 2015-04-10T06:00:27 < ReadError> i dont worry about anything or pay any $ 2015-04-10T06:00:59 < dongs> so you've descended into armattan ranks 2015-04-10T06:01:10 < ReadError> eh no 2015-04-10T06:01:14 < ReadError> i just like making stuff 2015-04-10T06:01:28 < ReadError> if others see benefit, i might as well let someone else make/sell them 2015-04-10T06:04:24 < dongs> does usps acutally pickup? 2015-04-10T06:04:26 < dongs> if i schedule it? 2015-04-10T06:04:27 < dongs> how does that work 2015-04-10T06:04:33 < dongs> do i just leave a box at the porch and they grab it? 2015-04-10T06:04:34 < dongs> or wat 2015-04-10T06:04:52 < ReadError> most the time I just put it in the box 2015-04-10T06:04:55 < ReadError> flip up the flag 2015-04-10T06:05:02 < ReadError> and when they drop mail off they pick it up 2015-04-10T06:05:15 < ReadError> i think the scheduled stuff is if you have a big box 2015-04-10T06:05:16 < dongs> you can arrange picku0p on website 2015-04-10T06:05:18 < dongs> afetr dicknship 2015-04-10T06:05:28 < ReadError> and you want them to come ring your doorbell etc 2015-04-10T06:05:37 < ReadError> i never bother with that though 2015-04-10T06:08:16 < dongs> ok, just tried it 2015-04-10T06:08:17 < dongs> will find out if it works 2015-04-10T06:08:35 < dongs> i just said front door 2015-04-10T06:08:39 < dongs> i hope they're smart enough to ring it??? 2015-04-10T06:09:09 < ReadError> how big is the box? 2015-04-10T06:09:30 < ReadError> if i ship a large box, I take a canvas bag, stick it in that 2015-04-10T06:09:31 < dongs> like medium flat rate shite 2015-04-10T06:09:34 < ReadError> and just hang it on my mailbox 2015-04-10T06:09:42 < ReadError> they always pull it out and never had an issue 2015-04-10T06:09:43 < dongs> mailbox is a bit far away from the house 2015-04-10T06:09:50 < dongs> i dont wanna leave shit hanging, some nigs will steal it 2015-04-10T06:10:00 < ReadError> prolly best to just run it to the PO 2015-04-10T06:10:10 < dongs> nah already araranged online shit, will see how it works 2015-04-10T06:10:17 < dongs> i mean worst case the dick will show up at the door and be like ??? 2015-04-10T06:12:45 < ReadError> ya they should come to the door if you scheduled pickup 2015-04-10T06:16:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T06:24:09 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-10T06:24:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T06:46:38 < ReadError> eh ive never had anything ganked 2015-04-10T07:22:56 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T07:28:59 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T07:29:31 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-10T07:29:31 -!- [1]PeterM is now known as PeterM 2015-04-10T07:36:09 < dongs> http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=9319362&convertTo=USD should I bid on this 2015-04-10T07:37:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.234] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T07:38:17 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-10T07:38:51 < ReadError> i want a LLV 2015-04-10T07:43:55 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-10T07:51:49 < dongs> found R2COM's truck http://i.imgur.com/gpNyVy7.jpg 2015-04-10T07:54:08 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-10T07:54:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-10T07:56:05 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-44-151.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-10T07:59:11 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T08:04:04 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T08:21:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T08:25:41 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T08:29:48 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.29.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-10T08:52:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T08:59:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:16:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: zyp: ever done SPI w/ DMA and /CS toggling? 2015-04-10T09:17:12 < jadew> emeb_mac, what's the problem? 2015-04-10T09:17:14 < jadew> and on which chip? 2015-04-10T09:17:44 < emeb_mac> got an 8-chl SPI DAC with 24-bit transfers and CS must toggle to start a transfer 2015-04-10T09:18:00 < emeb_mac> want to DMA many transfers rather than IRQ per byte 2015-04-10T09:18:16 < emeb_mac> but STM32 SPI port doesn't control the /CS line 2015-04-10T09:18:27 < emeb_mac> so that must either be GPIO under SW control, or timer. 2015-04-10T09:18:42 < jadew> wait, you want to toggle CS during a DMA transfer after an arbitrary number of bytes? 2015-04-10T09:18:47 < emeb_mac> just wondering if anyone has an elegant solution that doesn't require close SW supervision. 2015-04-10T09:19:02 < emeb_mac> CS must toggle every 24 bits / 3 bytes 2015-04-10T09:19:54 < jadew> yeah, probably a timer, but if your datarate is high it's gonna suck 2015-04-10T09:20:46 < jadew> one of the joys of ARM, you can't predict timing 2015-04-10T09:21:21 < zyp> hook a timer to sck, have it count 24 pulses, then have overflow trigger another timer that'll generate a pulse with output compare 2015-04-10T09:21:23 < emeb_mac> old Atmel SAM7 parts had spi ports that could control the /cs lines - those you could set up complex DMA on pretty easily. 2015-04-10T09:21:43 < emeb_mac> zyp: neat idea! 2015-04-10T09:21:51 < jadew> yeah, that's a good idea 2015-04-10T09:22:16 < zyp> except that won't get you a pause for the CS toggling 2015-04-10T09:22:26 < jadew> emeb_mac, yeah, but Atmel is Atmel and ST are newbs 2015-04-10T09:22:59 < emeb_mac> zyp: could do a 32-bit transfer and set the PW wide enough, just stuff zeros during CS high 2015-04-10T09:23:01 < zyp> maybe insert a dummy byte in between, then you can use just a single timer to keep CS low during that byte 2015-04-10T09:24:21 -!- av500 [~av500@b2b-46-252-131-98.unitymedia.biz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:25:02 -!- av500 [~av500@b2b-46-252-131-98.unitymedia.biz] has left ##stm32 ["Konversation terminated!"] 2015-04-10T09:26:00 < dongs> < emeb_mac> but STM32 SPI port doesn't control the /CS line 2015-04-10T09:26:02 < dongs> it never does 2015-04-10T09:26:07 < dongs> CS is only for slave mode 2015-04-10T09:26:17 < dongs> master you gotta dick it yourself 2015-04-10T09:26:21 < zyp> he meant compared to other chips 2015-04-10T09:26:30 < dongs> nice idea w/timer lols. 2015-04-10T09:26:52 < zyp> timers must be the most versatile peripheral on stm32 2015-04-10T09:26:56 < emeb_mac> dongs: right - Atmel does. STM32 doesn't 2015-04-10T09:28:26 < dongs> i guess toggling it in DMAC for 3 bytes is kinda lame, right? 2015-04-10T09:28:57 < dongs> er DMA_TC 2015-04-10T09:29:26 < emeb_mac> it works, but if you're trying to cut out dumb ISRs then... 2015-04-10T09:29:46 < dongs> timer solution isnt gonna be 100% auto either, will it? 2015-04-10T09:30:06 < emeb_mac> should be - main issue is getting it synced right 2015-04-10T09:30:06 < dongs> hm or maybe it will 2015-04-10T09:30:15 < qyx_> you can do it the other way around 2015-04-10T09:30:18 < dongs> well if you run it off sck its probly ok 2015-04-10T09:30:18 < qyx_> pwm the cs line 2015-04-10T09:30:23 < qyx_> and trigger the DMA off the interrupt 2015-04-10T09:30:29 < qyx_> but meh 2015-04-10T09:30:53 < qyx_> i meant timer, not interrupt 2015-04-10T09:30:58 < emeb_mac> that was my first thought 2015-04-10T09:31:33 < emeb_mac> doesn't require external clk->timer hookup 2015-04-10T09:31:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:34:11 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:35:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-10T09:35:43 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-10T09:38:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:40:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T09:41:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:41:40 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T09:43:31 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-10T09:46:38 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-10T10:19:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-10T10:23:02 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-10T10:23:19 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T10:23:44 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T10:32:51 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-44-151.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T10:32:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T10:40:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QIrkQ3a.jpg nice 2015-04-10T10:40:14 < dongs> trashworks 2015-04-10T10:41:07 < zyp> time to kickstart rpi ipad kits 2015-04-10T10:41:17 < dongs> ikr 2015-04-10T10:41:45 < zyp> what's up with stacking the boards? 2015-04-10T10:41:56 < dongs> acutally the DP part is just for play 2015-04-10T10:42:08 < dongs> the real thing is customer hdmi splitting stuff into left/right lvds 2015-04-10T10:42:24 < zyp> ah 2015-04-10T10:42:25 < dongs> which was the thing I did last week or whatever 2015-04-10T10:46:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: I hope your next board will have silk inspired by that challenging racing event that was linked here yesterday. 2015-04-10T10:47:44 < dongs> ha ha 2015-04-10T10:51:31 < dongs> this shit is fucking unbelievable. i want ot rage out at the dumb distributor who is handling this hdmi/dp chip stuff. 2015-04-10T10:51:36 < dongs> the excel trash they provided is beyond worthless 2015-04-10T10:52:01 < dongs> datasheet is missing super important details that make the shit unusable unless you KNOW that extra steps need to be done to communicate wiht it 2015-04-10T10:52:31 < dongs> still don't believe theres not a single line of reference code for this shit and just a fucking visual-basic-generating excel shite 2015-04-10T10:53:03 < PaulFertser> How did you manage to start it? 2015-04-10T10:53:40 < malinus> dongs: I want that power supply :( 2015-04-10T10:53:50 < dongs> PaulFertser: because i found LUNIX code for a different chip that happened to mention "oh you need to do this". Then I checked registers, and this one had the stuff in identical place. 2015-04-10T10:54:07 < PaulFertser> btw, dongs, kickstarter is so cool! Allows to start a motorbike without a battery safely and without much effort. Ain't that great? ;) 2015-04-10T10:54:10 < dongs> the datasheet for the new one doesn't even mention anything about these registers 2015-04-10T10:54:29 < malinus> PaulFertser: which one are you refering to? 2015-04-10T10:54:34 < dongs> malinus: .. 2015-04-10T10:54:43 < dongs> do you know what a kickstart is on a bike? 2015-04-10T10:54:47 < malinus> no 2015-04-10T10:54:57 < dongs> its for ghetto motorbikes that have no electric start 2015-04-10T10:55:03 < dongs> you basically push a pedal quickly 2015-04-10T10:55:38 < malinus> I don't get it 2015-04-10T10:55:49 < malinus> Oh 2015-04-10T10:55:51 < malinus> I get it now 2015-04-10T10:55:52 < malinus> hahaha 2015-04-10T10:55:55 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-04-10T10:55:55 < dongs> https://youtu.be/iTPmhwEfobM?t=64 2015-04-10T10:55:59 < dongs> malinus: ^ 2015-04-10T10:56:18 < malinus> yes I had a scooter once. Just had to make the connection in my head 2015-04-10T10:56:56 < dongs> also is that kid like 13 2015-04-10T10:57:54 < dongs> PaulFertser: so i guess you could say if lunix wasn't around i'd be fucked 2015-04-10T10:58:05 < malinus> dongs: that suprises you? http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Images/20101026kidsmx.sflb.ashx 2015-04-10T10:58:16 < malinus> no, those are not dwarfes 2015-04-10T10:58:28 < malinus> *dwarfs 2015-04-10T11:00:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: heh :) probably you'd request some sample code from the manufacturer and get it eventually 2015-04-10T11:01:13 < dongs> PaulFertser: ... i've been doing that since december 2015-04-10T11:01:26 < dongs> all I'm told is "please use the excel to calculate parameters" 2015-04-10T11:01:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T11:04:36 < dongs> well so hm 2015-04-10T11:07:55 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T11:10:25 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:19:26 < ReadError> https://schmiben.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/review-smart-prototyping-com-pcb-fabrication-and-cnc-turning/ 2015-04-10T11:19:29 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:19:35 < ReadError> anyone used? their stuff looks okay for china fab 2015-04-10T11:20:01 < dongs> wow, dat silk 2015-04-10T11:21:00 < ReadError> heh 2015-04-10T11:21:04 < ReadError> ive seen worse (dirtypcb) 2015-04-10T11:25:11 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-10T11:28:32 < ReadError> fatass vias sucks though 2015-04-10T11:28:37 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-10T11:28:43 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:31:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/WOSEvf5.jpg 2015-04-10T11:33:23 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:33:25 < ReadError> you figured after the second kid they would maybe like 2015-04-10T11:33:26 < ReadError> stop having more 2015-04-10T11:34:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPY39zW7jjs niggers gonna nig 2015-04-10T11:35:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.42] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:35:50 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:36:22 < ReadError> hahah so many weaves on the ground 2015-04-10T11:36:23 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-10T11:37:41 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqlxxtstpytrtimf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:39:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:49:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T11:49:47 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T11:59:53 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:02:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-10T12:09:29 < dongs> btw, zyp, your shit is done 2015-04-10T12:09:37 < dongs> i searched my pcb graveyard for bmp shit, and only found one 2015-04-10T12:09:42 < dongs> i thought i had more but duno 2015-04-10T12:09:52 < dongs> wasnt where i thought it would be 2015-04-10T12:11:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:12:34 < zyp> oh, ok 2015-04-10T12:12:39 < zyp> better than none 2015-04-10T12:14:59 < dongs> i might have tossed the rest in a fit of opensource virus rage 2015-04-10T12:15:11 < zyp> haha 2015-04-10T12:24:38 < dongs> seriously when i found out the bootloader self-protects itself immediately after reset that pissed me the fuuck off 2015-04-10T12:26:09 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:26:58 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-10T12:27:07 < zyp> kinda pointless, since a properly written bootloader shouldn't allow overwriting itself anyway 2015-04-10T12:27:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:27:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T12:27:27 < zyp> but shouldn't be a problem 2015-04-10T12:27:56 < zyp> if you need to get rid of it, a mass erase should kill both the protection bits and the flash content 2015-04-10T12:30:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:30:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T12:37:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.42] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:42:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-10T12:44:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.69] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:50:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T12:53:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.221] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T12:58:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-10T12:58:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.221] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T13:05:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-10T13:09:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.92] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T13:13:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T13:15:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T13:19:16 < Laurenceb> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Planes/5a1706180e74753d.png 2015-04-10T13:19:20 < Laurenceb> CIA flight 2015-04-10T13:20:16 < karlp> what is that even? a bad picture of "a plane" 2015-04-10T13:20:22 < Laurenceb> prob fake 2015-04-10T13:20:31 < Laurenceb> if its real... looks a bit dodge 2015-04-10T13:20:42 < karlp> whoah, the CIA have planes? 2015-04-10T13:20:47 < Laurenceb> no windows, small white jet 2015-04-10T13:20:51 < karlp> I mean, what is that even meant to be showing? 2015-04-10T13:21:19 < Laurenceb> its photo from a balloon 2015-04-10T13:22:16 < PeterM> *potato 2015-04-10T13:22:23 * karlp grins at peterm 2015-04-10T13:22:29 < karlp> who needs windows anyway? http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/26/innovations-windowless-plane 2015-04-10T13:23:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-10T13:28:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T13:29:09 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-10T13:29:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-10T13:30:42 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome 2015-04-10T13:32:52 < Steffanx> crappy camera syndrome 2015-04-10T13:33:18 < Laurenceb> better than zano 2015-04-10T13:33:58 < Steffanx> I can't confirm or deny that. Never seen pics from the zano 2015-04-10T13:35:20 < PeterM> Steffanx, no one has because they dont exist 2015-04-10T13:44:34 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-10T14:00:39 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800329/japan-invaded-deadly-redback-spiders-s-obsession-heated-toilet-seats.html rofl 2015-04-10T14:00:42 < dongs> RIP japan 2015-04-10T14:04:31 < PeterM> not my fault, i swear 2015-04-10T14:04:54 < baird> Ha. "Welcome to my world...country" 2015-04-10T14:05:58 < baird> My younger brother and used to rescue them back in primary school.. 2015-04-10T14:06:37 < Roklobsta> i must have about 20 redbacks within 5m of me under the house 2015-04-10T14:14:50 < Laurenceb> anyone here want a "fun" challenge? 2015-04-10T14:14:58 < Laurenceb> http://filebin.ca/1xqI3ojFcXJL/fig.eps 2015-04-10T14:15:06 < Laurenceb> http://filebin.ca/1xqIAzx4ZTio/Forehead_Spect.eps 2015-04-10T14:15:15 < Laurenceb> can you combine those two eps files? 2015-04-10T14:15:25 < Laurenceb> without the file size going over 1meg 2015-04-10T14:17:01 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-13-171.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T14:19:05 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-44-151.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T14:38:29 < Getty> does someone remember the name of this old dualhead gfx card of matrox? i dont mean the G400 series, before that, there was another one with a more hyped name 2015-04-10T14:39:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T14:39:18 < Getty> or was it the G400 and i just remember it wrong.... 2015-04-10T14:39:23 < dongs> Getty: parphlelia or osmeshit? 2015-04-10T14:39:41 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrox_Parhelia 2015-04-10T14:39:43 < dongs> seems like it 2015-04-10T14:39:45 < Getty> yeah not the parphelia.... dont you remember another name? damn it, i had one of those 2015-04-10T14:39:59 < dongs> i only know millenium and that 2015-04-10T14:40:00 < Getty> yeah no, the one i had was with VGA not DVI, so we talk even more previous ;) 2015-04-10T14:40:22 < dongs> mystique? 2015-04-10T14:40:25 < Getty> yeah it was a "special card", like its only feature was the dualhead and it sucked at everything else, thats why i never actually conquered the market 2015-04-10T14:40:44 < Getty> AH! i found a good page 2015-04-10T14:40:44 < dongs> aka matrox mistake 2015-04-10T14:40:47 < Getty> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrox_Graphics 2015-04-10T14:41:21 < Getty> mmhhhh it must be the millenium.... or am i at the wrong company?!?!!? that might explain it 8-) 2015-04-10T14:41:41 < Getty> the joke is, i actually dont care about the gfx card itself, i just want to find the presentation video of it again, cause the music was SO AWESOME ;) 2015-04-10T14:41:58 < dongs> fgt 2015-04-10T14:43:32 < Getty> LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_graphics_chips_and_card_companies 2015-04-10T14:43:54 < dongs> ya man 2015-04-10T14:44:30 < dongs> matrox is now just AMD tarsh reseller 2015-04-10T14:44:45 < Getty> who isn't is easier to answer 2015-04-10T14:45:45 < dongs> http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/graphics_cards/c-series/c420/ this == AMD W4100 lolz 2015-04-10T14:45:49 < dongs> for almost 2x t he price 2015-04-10T14:45:49 < dongs> fucking t rash 2015-04-10T14:46:04 < dongs> even board layout is liek ~same 2015-04-10T14:46:21 < dongs> im gonna buy nvidia K1200 as soon as it drops to around 250$ 2015-04-10T14:46:51 < Getty> i got one of those 4 port cards laying around here 2015-04-10T14:47:10 < Getty> passive, with no capabilities whatsoever, you cant even play 2 videos at once without the complete stuff crunching your system 2015-04-10T14:47:26 < dongs> i got w4100 it works fine for altidong 2015-04-10T14:47:54 < Getty> after that experience i just bought gamer gfx cards, now i got some 3 slot monster and i am fine 2015-04-10T14:48:11 < dongs> not paying for electricity is cool 2015-04-10T14:48:37 < Getty> hehe, i do pay, but i also wanna play on 3240x1920 2015-04-10T14:48:56 < dongs> i ahve 3x 3840x2160 2015-04-10T14:49:01 < dongs> AMD drives it just fine 2015-04-10T14:49:18 < Getty> and you played yet battlefield on it? make a picture! :) 2015-04-10T14:49:41 < dongs> i dont play dumb murder games 2015-04-10T14:49:55 < Getty> Banished? 2015-04-10T14:50:06 < dongs> dont evne know what it is 2015-04-10T14:50:26 < Getty> you missed something ;) the modern day solitaire 2015-04-10T14:51:40 < dongs> oh what the fuck i just saw on the qutoation leadtime for the part i need is like 3 fucking months 2015-04-10T14:51:47 < dongs> time to be a zano and negotiate with distributors 2015-04-10T14:54:42 < dongs> rutronik24, are they trolls? 2015-04-10T14:54:52 < Roklobsta> hmmm, zano, how's that train wreck unfolding? 2015-04-10T14:55:18 < Getty> yesterday i saw no update ;) 2015-04-10T14:55:20 < dongs> Roklobsta: they're writing all firmware in ASM 2015-04-10T14:55:52 < Roklobsta> handrolled h.264 code on a PIC32. It'll work for sure. 2015-04-10T14:56:40 < Roklobsta> didn't they hear of -O3 and --funroll-loops? 2015-04-10T14:57:04 < _Sync_> de fug dongs, where did they say that? 2015-04-10T14:57:17 < Laurenceb> wait wut 2015-04-10T14:57:21 < Laurenceb> h.264? 2015-04-10T14:57:23 < dongs> sync, everywehre 2015-04-10T14:57:39 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=456 2015-04-10T14:57:51 < dongs> Zano firmware or Zano OS as I tend to refer it by, is entirely purpose by built by us for Zano and built in assembly language. There is no use of third party libraries or third party code, nor the use of third party algorithms. Even things like our sin and arc tan functions are build by us. 2015-04-10T14:58:17 < dongs> and on dickstarter updates 2015-04-10T14:58:18 < Getty> those people at zano must be god 2015-04-10T14:58:22 < Roklobsta> remonds me of http://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/ 2015-04-10T14:58:48 < Getty> they can make impossible hardware, and write their own software on it, cause all the worlds software developer are just stupid ;) 2015-04-10T14:59:05 < Getty> http://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/poser.jpg LOL 2015-04-10T14:59:35 < _Sync_> are they fucking idiots dongs 2015-04-10T14:59:48 < _Sync_> why the fuck don't they use libraries 2015-04-10T15:00:03 < Getty> _Sync_: because..... EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!! :D 2015-04-10T15:01:59 < Getty> actually that explains it all, the zano people are actually out of the lego movie...... now it makes sense 2015-04-10T15:03:10 < Roklobsta> Like the world needs a 1004372th incarnation of a buggy arctan ripped from Knuth's tome. 2015-04-10T15:03:36 < dongs> Roklobsta: stfu. its hand optimized by PIC32 coder with over 25 years of experience. 2015-04-10T15:03:40 < dongs> he knows BEST 2015-04-10T15:03:51 < dongs> because not reusing existing, good code is the only way to success 2015-04-10T15:04:02 < Getty> well for PIC people it for sure looks that way 2015-04-10T15:05:04 < Roklobsta> like the F-22 raptors, the thing will instantly flip and plow into the ocean if a zano ever crosses the meridian. 2015-04-10T15:06:49 < Roklobsta> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1791574/posts 2015-04-10T15:09:00 < _Sync_> speaks for the code quality 2015-04-10T15:09:12 < ReadError> i cant wait for the butthurt supporters/fanboys to have dead quads after 3hrs of flying 2015-04-10T15:09:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T15:09:24 < dongs> it won't even fly for 3 hours 2015-04-10T15:09:33 < ReadError> well assuming it flies* 2015-04-10T15:09:37 < Roklobsta> not even apple can make a watch that goes for 3 hours 2015-04-10T15:09:48 < Getty> they actually know its just 15 minutes 2015-04-10T15:10:22 < ReadError> Getty hm? I mean in regards to the lifespan of the motors 2015-04-10T15:10:27 < Getty> OH! 2015-04-10T15:10:30 < Getty> ok ok ;) sorry 2015-04-10T15:10:47 < Roklobsta> don't worry, they will make their real money on the replacement motors 2015-04-10T15:11:06 < _Sync_> ^ 2015-04-10T15:11:26 < Roklobsta> like braun and my flippin' electric toothbrush heads. 2015-04-10T15:11:50 < ReadError> yes but how many people purchasing them are capable of taking it apart and swapping them? :) 2015-04-10T15:12:07 < Roklobsta> none. Gen Z doesn't know how to fix anything. 2015-04-10T15:13:50 < Getty> mh, are there actually copter companies who just attach a power cable to a copter and let it fly forever and see when it crash? ;) 2015-04-10T15:14:08 < Getty> would be an impressive livecam 2015-04-10T15:14:12 < ReadError> DJI did it for like 2015-04-10T15:14:17 < ReadError> a day or something 2015-04-10T15:14:23 < Getty> LOL 2015-04-10T15:14:30 < ReadError> to prove they fixed some shit that would cause the quad to flip and faceplant 2015-04-10T15:15:19 < Getty> everytime i hear quad and flip in a sentence i see a sign error ;) 2015-04-10T15:16:37 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhDAILW9UAE 2015-04-10T15:17:20 < ReadError> kinda bullshit its held in place tho 2015-04-10T15:19:18 * Laurenceb wonders if a ducted coax fan thingy would be a practical zano type vehicle 2015-04-10T15:20:31 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0YG0l_Dmo 2015-04-10T15:20:36 < ReadError> i remember this classic 2015-04-10T15:21:58 < dongs> haha 2015-04-10T15:22:29 < dongs> the start of retarded plastic frames designed without any clue 2015-04-10T15:22:42 < dongs> reiforced into wrong directions and vibrating like crazy 2015-04-10T15:23:02 < ReadError> yes soft plastic wont break 2015-04-10T15:23:06 < ReadError> it also wont fly worth a fuck 2015-04-10T15:33:18 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T15:50:22 < Lux> ReadError: still wobbels a lot that dji stuff 2015-04-10T15:50:52 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T15:51:15 < Laurenceb> kind of like this 2015-04-10T15:51:16 < Laurenceb> https://majdsrour.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/img_20120806_223350.jpg 2015-04-10T15:52:07 < Laurenceb> now this is pro 2015-04-10T15:52:09 < Laurenceb> http://api.ning.com/files/mVad9iZi0UOvY3o8KE**SY8bZWQfNnaEgQTAxDopyXvfZzeitSW8Ss6SxZ5TwpdqX7yMpRnMn1GMtDMuyseJNThVLSfcGi0b/Quadframe.jpg 2015-04-10T15:53:19 < dongs> *fagcopter 2015-04-10T15:58:09 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T16:03:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SM1zruEdHc 2015-04-10T16:04:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T16:07:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T16:14:19 < karlp> that's more impressive than I was expecting 2015-04-10T16:22:33 < baird_> Get the BeachHunter guy one of those.. 2015-04-10T16:25:42 < baird_> 65x optical zoom, and maybe another 8-16 on top of that. 2015-04-10T16:33:37 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-13-171.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-10T16:51:56 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-13-171.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T16:55:37 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-10T17:01:18 < _Sync_> oh dongs that's not bad at all 2015-04-10T17:01:28 < _Sync_> but dat rolling shutter 2015-04-10T17:04:56 < dongs> ur rolling in ur shutter 2015-04-10T17:07:51 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T17:08:31 < Steffanx> im surprised you didn't say "shitter" 2015-04-10T17:09:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T17:11:24 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-13-171.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-10T17:12:48 < dongs> im slipping 2015-04-10T17:12:50 < dongs> too stoned 2015-04-10T17:14:32 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-234-247.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T17:25:45 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T17:27:10 < Steffanx> did you buy one of those grow tents yet? 2015-04-10T17:27:28 < dongs> already shipped 2015-04-10T17:30:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T17:30:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T17:31:24 < dongs> cleaning off my desk 2015-04-10T17:31:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-10T17:44:04 < Laurenceb> ... 2015-04-10T17:44:13 < dongs> not jizz 2015-04-10T17:44:22 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-10T17:44:36 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/PLVFa.jpg 2015-04-10T17:45:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T17:57:48 < emeb> http://hackaday.com/2015/04/10/building-super-small-linux-computers-from-scratch/ 2015-04-10T17:57:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T17:58:29 < emeb> Purple boards with breakaway tabs on edges looks like OSHpark but the design rules appear to be a lot tighter than their process. 2015-04-10T18:04:23 < dongs> uhh 2015-04-10T18:04:24 < dongs> that silk 2015-04-10T18:04:27 < dongs> is proper 2015-04-10T18:04:32 < dongs> where the fuck did he get that made 2015-04-10T18:04:37 < dongs> thats definitely not oshfuck 2015-04-10T18:05:19 < dongs> Both PCB's are 4 layers, I got them from OSH at $10/sq inch and have been happy with it except for how their solder mask is always off by a few mil. Lucky you get three copies for that price though, and I've always had at least one copy which had a soldermask offset to my satisfaction. 2015-04-10T18:05:24 < dongs> wtf 2015-04-10T18:06:29 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-10T18:07:33 < karlp> what, you think OSH was never going to listen to any customer comments ever? 2015-04-10T18:08:19 < dongs> why would they? 2015-04-10T18:08:33 < karlp> hrm, arm9... 2015-04-10T18:08:34 < Steffanx> because they do 2015-04-10T18:08:36 < dongs> they have a basically self-supporting side business that involves no work 2015-04-10T18:08:46 < dongs> just print money 2015-04-10T18:09:06 < Steffanx> isn't that nice? 2015-04-10T18:09:40 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@95.235.209.120] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-10T18:12:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T18:16:20 < _Sync_> lel atmel cpu 2015-04-10T18:16:33 < _Sync_> I found one of these running the GUI on some satcom shit 2015-04-10T18:16:39 < _Sync_> 2.6.blah kernel 2015-04-10T18:16:42 < _Sync_> laggy as fuck 2015-04-10T18:16:58 < _Sync_> and then they dumped two blackfin DSPs in there and a virtex 6 2015-04-10T18:17:03 < _Sync_> I was like wat 2015-04-10T18:17:30 < dongs> i went to some atmel learning trash where they did shit with at91 lunix 2015-04-10T18:17:35 < dongs> walked out of there on first break 2015-04-10T18:17:37 < dongs> zzzz 2015-04-10T18:17:53 < dongs> also, a bunch of atmel peopel are frenchj 2015-04-10T18:18:09 < Steffanx> doesnt atmel have a fab there? 2015-04-10T18:18:23 < dongs> i duno but most of the dudes at that seminar were french 2015-04-10T18:18:24 < Steffanx> or was that ST 2015-04-10T18:18:31 < dongs> st is italian mafia 2015-04-10T18:18:42 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T18:19:56 < _Sync_> st also fabs in france 2015-04-10T18:20:36 < dongs> but must be different fab 2015-04-10T18:20:50 < dongs> when ps3hax happened atmel was out of stock of wahtever attiny the hax0rs used for months 2015-04-10T18:21:17 < karlp> atmega32u4, 2015-04-10T18:21:17 < ReadError> laen is a good dude 2015-04-10T18:21:25 < ReadError> im sure if whoever that was hit them up 2015-04-10T18:21:29 < ReadError> they would be resent free 2015-04-10T18:23:00 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-10T18:23:21 < ReadError> dongs osh silk is nice also.. 2015-04-10T18:24:15 < _Sync_> compared to most matrix printed silks, yeah 2015-04-10T18:24:15 < dongs> it hasnt been before 2015-04-10T18:24:23 < dongs> not on boards ive seen 2015-04-10T18:24:52 < dongs> bedtime 2015-04-10T18:25:10 < Steffanx> but it's 4 vs 2 layers 2015-04-10T18:25:22 < dongs> thats true 2015-04-10T18:26:04 < dongs> 4 layer boards also have higher tolerances than 2 layer boards. The 4 layer boards support 5 mil traces and 5 mil spacing, and the smallest drill size is 10 mil, with a 4 mil annular ring. For additional information on drill files, please see our Drill Specs page. 2015-04-10T18:26:09 < dongs> hmm 2015-04-10T18:26:14 < dongs> maybe ill do something 4L wiht them 2015-04-10T18:26:16 < _Sync_> 0o 2015-04-10T18:26:30 < dongs> i mean thats also my standard 4L spec 2015-04-10T18:26:42 < _Sync_> still looking for some cheap place that does 2oz on all 4 layers 2015-04-10T18:26:43 < dongs> but if I haev something I dont give a shit about to receive a month later that might be a good way 2015-04-10T18:26:59 < dongs> pssh, why does it need to be cheap? 2015-04-10T18:27:00 < dongs> it can be done 2015-04-10T18:27:01 < ReadError> dongs spin time is about a week 2015-04-10T18:27:14 < ReadError> typically from order->delivery is ~10days 2015-04-10T18:27:56 < _Sync_> doesn't need to be all THAT cheap 2015-04-10T18:28:09 < _Sync_> but better than WE direkt would be nice 2015-04-10T18:28:14 < dongs> but do tehy do oval oles 2015-04-10T18:28:36 < _Sync_> I think hackvana can do 2oz on 4 layer, but hmm 2015-04-10T18:28:47 < ReadError> http://smart-prototyping.com/PCB-Prototyping.html 2015-04-10T18:28:50 < ReadError> @ _Sync_ 2015-04-10T18:29:00 < ReadError> 55$ for 2oz/4L 5x5cm 2015-04-10T18:29:02 < ReadError> but shitty vias 2015-04-10T18:29:12 < ReadError> (10boards) 2015-04-10T18:29:21 < dongs> hackvana would take too long 2015-04-10T18:29:24 < dongs> to do anything 2015-04-10T18:29:29 < dongs> and if im going to fab shit in china 2015-04-10T18:29:34 < dongs> i might as well just bypass the middleman 2015-04-10T18:29:52 < ReadError> _Sync_ goldphoenix isnt bad 2015-04-10T18:29:56 < ReadError> depending on what you need 2015-04-10T18:30:03 < _Sync_> I dunno, the last time guys ordered from him it was not too bad dongs, but yeah 2015-04-10T18:30:24 < ReadError> goldphoenix is fast as hell too, 8 days from order til delivery 2015-04-10T18:30:31 < _Sync_> noice 2015-04-10T18:30:51 < ReadError> but you gotta spend atleast $100 2015-04-10T18:31:51 < _Sync_> hmm, the smart prototyping guys only say .5oz on the middle layers 2015-04-10T18:31:57 < _Sync_> might have to email them about 2oz 2015-04-10T18:32:28 < ReadError> the price goes up 25$ 2015-04-10T18:32:31 < ReadError> better have some shit in there 2015-04-10T18:32:40 < ReadError> https://schmiben.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/review-smart-prototyping-com-pcb-fabrication-and-cnc-turning/ 2015-04-10T18:32:45 < ReadError> heres a nice writeup i found earlier 2015-04-10T18:33:32 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2015/04/09/using-lvds-laptop-displays/ haha what is this garbage 2015-04-10T18:34:09 < dongs> i guess my shit is too fucking pro for hackaday 2015-04-10T18:34:13 < dongs> it doesnt have wires hanging off everywhere 2015-04-10T18:34:55 < ReadError> buzzwords 2015-04-10T18:34:58 < ReadError> arduino, rpi 2015-04-10T18:35:03 < _Sync_> I wonder what he uses for the thickness check 2015-04-10T18:35:04 < ReadError> take you to the top 2015-04-10T18:35:20 < ReadError> _Sync_ some german, pretty dope tools though 2015-04-10T18:35:28 < ReadError> i like that measurement cam stuff he had 2015-04-10T18:47:26 < _Sync_> ReadError: lol goldphoenix is shit expensive for 4 layer 2015-04-10T18:47:34 < _Sync_> I can even order in germany and be cheaper :D 2015-04-10T18:47:54 < ReadError> did you submit a RFQ? 2015-04-10T18:47:59 < ReadError> or use the calc shit 2015-04-10T18:57:58 < _Sync_> use the calc shit 2015-04-10T19:06:08 < Laurenceb> https://plus.google.com/photos/+marcinlonglastname/albums/6084477100140148161?authkey=CI7x0czR_vKqowE 2015-04-10T19:06:10 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-04-10T19:06:24 < Laurenceb> i like how it jumps over the bga soldering 2015-04-10T19:07:35 < karlp> is that meant to link to any particular image? 2015-04-10T19:07:48 < Laurenceb> no 2015-04-10T19:08:49 < _Sync_> looks like he soldered and desoldered the bga 2015-04-10T19:09:04 < _Sync_> should have invested in xray gear 2015-04-10T19:09:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T19:12:08 < kakimir> how much you need to pay for proper microscope 2015-04-10T19:12:09 < kakimir> ? 2015-04-10T19:12:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T19:12:31 < kakimir> something you don't need to change after a year 2015-04-10T19:14:36 < _Sync_> mantis elite 2015-04-10T19:14:38 < _Sync_> around 2.5k 2015-04-10T19:19:46 < kakimir> I should do myself "when I get rich(or above the bottom level)" list 2015-04-10T19:20:50 < Steffanx> you don't need to be rich to buy a 2.5k microscope 2015-04-10T19:21:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T19:22:35 < kakimir> I concider myself rich when I just buy 2.5k microscope 2015-04-10T19:23:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T19:23:25 < kakimir> I need to up shit by magnitudes.. 2015-04-10T19:23:32 < Steffanx> sell your car, sell your snow mobile :P 2015-04-10T19:23:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.71] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T19:23:58 < Steffanx> and dont forget the bicycle 2015-04-10T19:24:21 < kakimir> shiet 2015-04-10T19:26:38 < kakimir> I think it would be cool to have personal hacklab in half size converted bus 2015-04-10T19:26:55 < _Sync_> no 2015-04-10T19:27:02 < kakimir> tell me 2015-04-10T19:27:07 < _Sync_> too much temperature and humidity fluctuations 2015-04-10T19:27:28 < kakimir> then just enforce temperature and humidity 2015-04-10T19:27:50 < kakimir> with auxiliary machine 2015-04-10T19:28:39 < _Sync_> right, think about how well insulated a bus is 2015-04-10T19:29:12 < kakimir> *converted 2015-04-10T19:29:27 < kakimir> there is solutions 2015-04-10T19:30:01 < _Sync_> not really, you will always have single pane glass and heat bridges 2015-04-10T19:30:04 < _Sync_> it's gonna suck 2015-04-10T19:30:15 < _Sync_> also why convert a bus when you can just have a house 2015-04-10T19:30:36 < kakimir> those glasses are gone 2015-04-10T19:31:16 < Steffanx> time to get rich kakimir 2015-04-10T19:32:17 < kakimir> I'm not sure at all where I would place my house 2015-04-10T19:33:01 < Steffanx> next to where you currently sleep? 2015-04-10T19:33:31 < Steffanx> or do you want to attact other makers? 2015-04-10T19:33:32 < kakimir> old fashioned way.. 2015-04-10T19:33:58 < kakimir> "build that thing next to this house" 2015-04-10T19:34:04 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T19:34:22 < Steffanx> why not? You have enough space there in finland, not? 2015-04-10T19:35:13 < kakimir> "get yourself a wife from neighbor" 2015-04-10T19:36:04 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-10T19:36:04 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2015-04-10T19:42:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-10T19:54:57 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@8.213.107.89.in-addr.sungardas.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T19:56:34 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T20:00:19 < kakimir> space as absolute measure is not a thing to concider here 2015-04-10T20:01:05 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@8.213.107.89.in-addr.sungardas.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-10T20:01:22 < kakimir> and you can't just buy piece of land where you want neather 2015-04-10T20:08:30 < kakimir> and if you somehow get some property and wish you could just mind your own business you are wrong 2015-04-10T20:13:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T20:15:18 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-10T20:16:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-10T20:19:04 < kakimir> local community starts instinctivelly take a grip of you trying to bind you in it's body 2015-04-10T20:22:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T20:23:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T20:25:25 < Steffanx> poor kakimir :P 2015-04-10T20:28:55 < jpa-> kakimir: not quite true 2015-04-10T20:29:31 < qyx_> why can't you just buy a piece of land? 2015-04-10T20:29:49 < jpa-> because he spent all his money on toys 2015-04-10T20:30:25 < jpa-> land outside cities is quite cheap 2015-04-10T20:30:35 < kakimir> culture of posessing 2015-04-10T20:30:43 < jpa-> ? 2015-04-10T20:31:33 < kakimir> around here even as countryside prices go up and people drive around mad shine in eyes when there is smallest piece of land for sale 2015-04-10T20:32:14 < kakimir> >( 2015-04-10T20:32:20 < jpa-> why do you want to be around there, then? 2015-04-10T20:33:23 < Steffanx> " mad shine in eyes" .. typical finnish uh? :P 2015-04-10T20:33:40 < Steffanx> i imagine jpa- like that, but that could also be a sexy glow. 2015-04-10T20:33:49 < kakimir> jpa is cool 2015-04-10T20:34:00 < jpa-> most of the time i look like "meh" with no shine in eyes or elsewhere 2015-04-10T20:34:10 < kakimir> solid kind 2015-04-10T20:34:30 < Steffanx> Aren't finnish people known for being "cold" ? 2015-04-10T20:34:54 < jpa-> kakimir: but it is pretty easy to find affordable land in finland if you aren't that picky about the exact location 2015-04-10T20:35:11 < jpa-> 50km out of the nearest city and it is dirt cheap 2015-04-10T20:35:22 < qyx_> hhu 2015-04-10T20:35:24 < jpa-> just get internet somehow and work remotely :P 2015-04-10T20:35:50 < kakimir> there is great difference of exact location how your life becomes 2015-04-10T20:35:52 < qyx_> i am moving to finland 2015-04-10T20:36:16 < Steffanx> why? The cz the beer is cheap 2015-04-10T20:36:22 < jpa-> kakimir: maybe, but is it a predictable difference? maybe that is what people are paying for, then? 2015-04-10T20:36:41 < qyx_> everything nearer than 50km from here is ~20-50€/m^2 2015-04-10T20:37:03 < qyx_> Steffanx: thats true, it's a shame i don't drink beer 2015-04-10T20:37:24 < Steffanx> heh 2015-04-10T20:38:25 < qyx_> but i have found a land for 1€/m^2 once.. which can be considered dirt cheap 2015-04-10T20:38:30 < jpa-> my father sold some fields 50km away from 6th largest city, it was 2€/m^2 and that was a good price 2015-04-10T20:38:59 < jpa-> less useful (non cultivated) land would be cheaper and still fine to build on 2015-04-10T20:39:15 < qyx_> it's not that easy here 2015-04-10T20:39:26 < qyx_> the land have to be classified to build on 2015-04-10T20:39:47 < qyx_> and the land with a possibility for such classification is usually more expensive 2015-04-10T20:39:54 < jpa-> so does here when you are in city area, but in countryside you just need a permission and they are quite lenient 2015-04-10T20:40:41 < kakimir> my father paid that for young badly kept forrest to be turned into fields something around 200000-300000m2 of area 2015-04-10T20:42:09 < kakimir> building field costs on top of that 2015-04-10T20:42:49 < Steffanx> i live in the cheapest area of dutchland and it's still 50+ euro / mˆ2 -_- 2015-04-10T20:43:37 < kakimir> you can top that only in luxemburg_ 2015-04-10T20:43:41 < Steffanx> move 30-50km east and it starts from 7e .. but that's in germany 2015-04-10T20:43:51 < kakimir> and vatican 2015-04-10T20:43:51 < jpa-> but who needs so much area? 2015-04-10T20:44:17 < qyx_> i do want a lake 2015-04-10T20:44:31 < qyx_> and a stream there 2015-04-10T20:44:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1crOJg1UkI doing this for few summers 2015-04-10T20:44:47 < Steffanx> i want parking space for my feature ferrari and stuff 2015-04-10T20:45:11 < qyx_> video is private 2015-04-10T20:45:20 < kakimir> thing here is you are not allowed to be rich 2015-04-10T20:46:25 < jpa-> not allowed how, and what's stopping you? 2015-04-10T20:49:28 < kakimir> you can have great posessions and its actually glorified and concidered ideal 2015-04-10T20:49:53 < Steffanx> you should go into mobile game dev kakimir 2015-04-10T20:50:06 < Steffanx> some large players in that business are from finland iirc 2015-04-10T20:50:25 < jpa-> nah the angry birds guys are going bankrupt now ;) 2015-04-10T20:50:46 < Steffanx> supercell isn't, yet 2015-04-10T20:51:02 < Steffanx> and a company going bankrupt doesnt mean you cant get rich 2015-04-10T20:52:17 < kakimir> but if you spend on anything lets say to show off wealth or just enjoy.. you are looked upon like a criminal 2015-04-10T20:53:56 < Steffanx> you should learn to not care :P 2015-04-10T20:54:01 < jpa-> eh, showoffs aren't liked, but why would you care about what strangers think anyway? 2015-04-10T20:54:26 < kakimir> in small town dynamics there is no strangers 2015-04-10T20:54:41 < jpa-> if you want to show off and spend your money on enjoyment, go ahead and have enough self-respect not to mind the looks 2015-04-10T20:54:43 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T20:54:53 < jpa-> sure there are 2015-04-10T20:55:24 < jpa-> i lived my youth in a small town, never learned to know the people and didn't care what they think 2015-04-10T20:55:31 < jpa-> and who forces you to live in a small town? 2015-04-10T20:56:51 < Steffanx> did you meet your wife online jpa-? 2015-04-10T20:58:14 < jpa-> Steffanx: nah, in school 2015-04-10T20:58:34 < jpa-> but i went to that school in a city some way away 2015-04-10T20:59:15 < kakimir> what school_ 2015-04-10T20:59:59 < jpa-> upper secondary school!! 2015-04-10T21:00:07 < kakimir> after that? 2015-04-10T21:00:23 < jpa-> pretty much the silliest english name for a school 2015-04-10T21:00:27 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-10T21:00:48 < jpa-> kakimir: are you trying to rebuild my cv? 2015-04-10T21:00:56 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-10T21:01:00 < kakimir> I become you 2015-04-10T21:01:23 < kakimir> send me your photo 2015-04-10T21:02:16 < jpa-> http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/other/s_cv_201401.pdf photo you won't get but maybe this'll help 2015-04-10T21:03:34 < emeb> Globally Unique! 2015-04-10T21:03:58 < kakimir> it feels like lacking lot of your skill 2015-04-10T21:04:00 < jpa-> and my parent's didn't even use a GUID algorithm! 2015-04-10T21:04:37 < jpa-> kakimir: a cv usually has only factual stuff, because anyone could write "i'm great, lol" 2015-04-10T21:04:47 < qyx_> lol globally unique 2015-04-10T21:05:52 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-10T21:07:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:08:49 < Steffanx> such C# skills jpa- :D 2015-04-10T21:09:55 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.143.71] has quit [] 2015-04-10T21:09:59 < jpa-> much awesome? 2015-04-10T21:10:10 < Steffanx> compared to mcufont/nanopb stuff.. no 2015-04-10T21:10:11 < kakimir> shouldn't you mention your skills with cortex and stuff 2015-04-10T21:12:08 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, unfortunately i don't have much hobby code in C# so very little to show 2015-04-10T21:13:31 < jpa-> still good to have atleast something to show, it's way too easy to just list every programming language you've ever heard about 2015-04-10T21:14:48 < jpa-> kakimir: maybe, though i've got every job i've sought so who cares 2015-04-10T21:14:56 < kakimir> ye 2015-04-10T21:15:46 < qyx_> i dont even have a cv 2015-04-10T21:16:33 < jpa-> you just walk into a job? 2015-04-10T21:17:25 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:17:26 < qyx_> i don't know, jobs usually tend to come to me 2015-04-10T21:18:32 < jpa-> yep.. for me they are usually somewhere else and i don't fancy moving for a job 2015-04-10T21:19:07 < jpa-> not that they are that interesting anyway.. i don't think i've ever seen an interesting job 2015-04-10T21:21:57 -!- qyx__ [~qyx@92.240.229.158] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:22:02 < qyx__> jpa-: that too 2015-04-10T21:22:50 < jpa-> qyx is clearly trying to beat me in the length of the "line" contest 2015-04-10T21:23:20 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-10T21:23:21 < qyx__> nah, interwebs failing 2015-04-10T21:26:50 < Steffanx> you're html/css skills are nice too jpa-.. you even seem to care about IE6 :D 2015-04-10T21:27:19 < jpa-> Steffanx: google doesn't agree, it is complaining that i'm not phone-friendly 2015-04-10T21:27:41 < Steffanx> no responsive design :S 2015-04-10T21:28:07 < qyx__> look at my simple text, fully responsive 2015-04-10T21:29:27 < jpa-> where can i look at it? 2015-04-10T21:29:48 < qyx__> uhm, actually.. you can't atm 2015-04-10T21:30:06 < jpa-> yeah, krtko.org is not very responsive 2015-04-10T21:31:52 < qyx__> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uiqHvWID2eIJ:qyx.krtko.org/projects/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk 2015-04-10T21:33:07 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-10T21:38:38 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:43:09 < akaWolf> 20:00:06 nice to know! 2015-04-10T21:43:09 < akaWolf> 20:03:55 могу ссылку прислать, если интересно :) 2015-04-10T21:43:13 < akaWolf> [20:07:01] [akaWolf(+Zi)] [Act: 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,55,59,61,63,64,65,66,67] 2015-04-10T21:43:17 < akaWolf> [Activate_for_mo] 2015-04-10T21:43:19 < akaWolf> wtf 2015-04-10T21:43:47 < akaWolf> sorry 2015-04-10T21:51:39 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:52:13 -!- ryankarason is now known as rak[1] 2015-04-10T21:53:14 -!- rak[1] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-10T21:54:23 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:54:45 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[1] 2015-04-10T21:55:04 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T21:55:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-10T21:55:23 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2015-04-10T21:56:38 -!- rk[1] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-10T21:59:56 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-10T23:05:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T23:12:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T23:14:31 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T23:29:47 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T23:45:47 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-10T23:46:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-10T23:58:00 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] --- Day changed Sat Apr 11 2015 2015-04-11T00:00:42 -!- qyx__ [~qyx@92.240.229.158] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-11T00:01:05 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T00:22:16 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T00:35:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T00:36:38 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-204.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T00:37:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T00:49:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-11T00:50:13 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-11T01:01:12 -!- Chris_M2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-204-137.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:02:09 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-11T01:02:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-11T01:03:34 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-234-247.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-11T01:08:14 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-204.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-11T01:11:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:16:46 < Tectu> dongs ready for some hentai? 2015-04-11T01:18:55 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:35:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-11T01:36:42 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host98-229-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:40:11 < Laurenceb_> Tectu you dirty bastard 2015-04-11T01:40:12 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:40:13 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:40:22 < Laurenceb_> youll go blind you know 2015-04-11T01:40:29 < Laurenceb_> or in the UK... go to prison 2015-04-11T01:40:31 < Laurenceb_> lulz 2015-04-11T01:43:00 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T01:44:55 < kakimir> really? 2015-04-11T01:50:32 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-11T01:50:44 < kakimir> bless the queen 2015-04-11T01:54:43 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:55:52 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T01:55:52 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T01:55:57 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T01:56:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-64f270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T01:59:53 < scrts2> who understands chinese here? 2015-04-11T02:00:02 < scrts2> even google translator doesn't open the page.. 2015-04-11T02:03:32 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-11T02:10:10 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T02:13:14 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-11T02:16:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-11T02:16:47 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T02:24:31 < Tectu> Steffanx 2015-04-11T02:24:42 < Steffanx> Tectu 2015-04-11T02:24:49 < Tectu> darling 2015-04-11T02:25:03 < Steffanx> jpa-, Tectu is cheating on you. 2015-04-11T02:25:05 < emeb> get a room you two 2015-04-11T02:25:29 < Steffanx> we already have one, but Tectu wants to go public. :( 2015-04-11T02:25:31 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html 2015-04-11T02:25:56 < Tectu> jpa-, no, never! I'm all yours 2015-04-11T02:25:59 < brabo> Tectu: no, i do NOT want to! 2015-04-11T02:26:00 < emeb> Tuesday 02 December 2014 2015-04-11T02:26:19 < Tectu> emeb, yes, the URL indeed was misleading 2015-04-11T02:28:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T02:30:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T02:32:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-11T02:33:11 < kakimir> Laurenceb: where is hentai? 2015-04-11T02:33:15 < kakimir> this sucks 2015-04-11T02:41:25 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T02:44:59 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-11T02:45:24 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T02:51:59 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-11T02:53:25 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-11T02:54:56 < Steffanx> you are 2015-04-11T02:55:54 < Steffanx> howss yankeeland? 2015-04-11T03:01:56 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T03:02:55 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T03:06:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqlxxtstpytrtimf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-11T03:07:29 < emeb> another breakout -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/stm32f070C_breakout_front.jpg 2015-04-11T03:37:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T03:39:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T03:40:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T03:40:51 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T03:45:10 < zyp> emeb, you should hook up the data pins so you can bitbang usb :p 2015-04-11T03:45:34 < zyp> (no, I'm not serious) 2015-04-11T03:46:30 < zyp> oh, wait, they are hooked up 2015-04-11T03:46:33 < zyp> f070 got usb? 2015-04-11T03:48:11 < zyp> oh, right, it got usb, but not crystalless 2015-04-11T03:48:54 < zyp> surface finish? of the render? :p 2015-04-11T04:03:29 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-11T04:22:58 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T04:35:04 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-11T04:36:34 < emeb> I do breakouts just to test fun stuff. 2015-04-11T04:37:03 < emeb> Looking forward to the F070F6 in TSSOP20 - should make a nice alternative to FTDI gizmos. 2015-04-11T04:37:14 < emeb> so this one is "prep" for that. 2015-04-11T04:38:36 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-11T04:45:15 < emeb> zyp: seen preliminary datasheets on Atmel SAMD11 coming soon? 2015-04-11T04:45:41 < emeb> SOIC14 with crystalless USB and Cortex M0+ 2015-04-11T04:47:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-11T04:49:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T04:56:28 < emeb_mac> eeeeewwww... ew ew ew 2015-04-11T05:12:49 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-11T05:45:49 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@2604:a880:800:10::11e:d001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T05:49:55 < dongs> sup trolls 2015-04-11T05:53:06 < dongs> https://youtu.be/AdojIsUTRQY?t=42 2015-04-11T06:06:09 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/6Qr2aMS.gifv 2015-04-11T06:13:54 < zyp> nice 2015-04-11T06:22:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-11T06:23:03 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T06:25:12 -!- Chris_M2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-204-137.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [] 2015-04-11T06:27:04 < dymk> dongs, progress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOD1es49-M 2015-04-11T06:29:08 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-204-137.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T06:37:30 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T06:39:08 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T06:40:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-233-115.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-11T06:42:36 -!- jprimeau [~jonathan@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T06:43:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T06:44:09 -!- jprimeau [~jonathan@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-11T06:47:53 -!- jprimeau [~jonathan@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T06:57:27 -!- jprimeau [~jonathan@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-11T06:59:02 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T07:03:34 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-11T07:04:11 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T07:31:03 -!- DanteA [~X@host-10-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T07:41:31 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2015-04-11T08:15:31 < dongs> dymk: nice. japs often submit micromouse pcbs to make. ive seen some elaborate stuff. 2015-04-11T08:18:40 < dymk> yep, one of the guys coming to the may competition is from taiwan 2015-04-11T08:57:26 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T09:09:14 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T09:11:29 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-7-251.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-11T10:01:44 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-11T10:18:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T10:19:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T10:23:09 < dongs> wtf 2015-04-11T10:23:20 < dongs> i spent a day figuring out why colorbars jittered and it wasnt even relevant 2015-04-11T10:23:26 < dongs> because normal signal doesnt jitter 2015-04-11T10:23:39 < emeb_mac> colorbar gen is jittering? 2015-04-11T10:23:42 < dongs> i guess colorbars test mode jitters 2015-04-11T10:23:43 < dongs> yes 2015-04-11T10:24:01 < dongs> buggy shitty garbage 2015-04-11T10:24:15 < emeb_mac> test equip or builtin? 2015-04-11T10:24:18 < dongs> built in 2015-04-11T10:24:19 < dongs> lol 2015-04-11T10:24:26 < dongs> now im connecting to hdmi generator and it worked fine 2015-04-11T10:26:18 < dongs> also i think i wrecked HDMI input on this laptop 2015-04-11T10:26:25 < dongs> er output 2015-04-11T10:26:32 < dongs> i added some fail custom resolutions 2015-04-11T10:26:40 < dongs> and now anything connected is just a black small screen 2015-04-11T10:34:34 < PeterM> fucked firmward or jsut drivers? 2015-04-11T10:34:43 < PeterM> if firmware jsut warranty it play dumb 2015-04-11T10:36:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.13] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T10:37:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-11T10:43:49 < dongs> probly just windows 2015-04-11T10:51:55 < Roklobotomy> it wouldn't happen in linux 2015-04-11T10:55:28 < PeterM> nah ,lunix would come like that already, pre-fucked 2015-04-11T11:07:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:08:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-11T11:10:05 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:10:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T11:14:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.205] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:18:01 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:19:34 -!- zaytsev_k [~homeuser@PPPoE-78-29-89-168.san.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:24:02 < dongs> almost got the shit running 2015-04-11T11:24:10 < dongs> i see image, but its scrolling like crazy 2015-04-11T11:24:35 < Roklobotomy> what are you making/testing? 2015-04-11T11:26:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fM31gtL.jpg 2015-04-11T11:26:38 < dongs> gotta figure out whats up wiht scrolling tho 2015-04-11T11:26:58 < dongs> i wish i didnt have to change 200 things inside excel file and then copypaste line by line into .c 2015-04-11T11:27:11 < Roklobotomy> oh i recall, is it a hdmi screen extenter? 2015-04-11T11:27:14 < Roklobotomy> extender 2015-04-11T11:30:52 < dongs> https://imgur.com/gallery/bpGKSrm 2015-04-11T11:30:53 < dongs> impress 2015-04-11T11:35:10 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krpiddsqowndyhby] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:35:32 -!- zaytsev_k [~homeuser@PPPoE-78-29-89-168.san.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-11T11:39:07 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:40:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-11T11:46:48 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-11T11:52:18 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T11:53:23 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T11:53:50 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T12:05:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-11T12:14:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T12:15:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T12:31:10 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T12:31:10 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T12:42:53 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-11T12:43:50 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T12:55:15 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:07:33 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:10:46 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:10:52 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:11:37 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-33-208.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:21:55 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:22:08 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T13:24:16 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-11T13:27:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T13:30:47 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-11T13:55:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-11T13:57:46 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-11T14:10:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T14:26:27 < Tectu> enjoy your daily ripple porn (sfw): http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/70e3d2f8be85.jpg 2015-04-11T14:27:47 < _Sync_> dat triangle ripple 2015-04-11T14:31:05 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-11T14:32:27 < Tectu> it's the output stage under 250mA load of one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-LM2596S-Power-module-Step-Down-Module-DC-DC-Buck-Converter-LM2596-/171219013637?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dd72d005 2015-04-11T14:33:10 < baird> Butthurt 43oh.com clicksite owner is butthurt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mVY150aUtU 2015-04-11T14:36:33 -!- alan5 [~quassel@149.3.129.58] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T14:44:14 < Tectu> baird... 2015-04-11T14:44:20 < Tectu> go cycling 2015-04-11T14:45:07 < Steffanx> learn2b nice Tectu 2015-04-11T14:45:57 < Tectu> learn to love OneNote Steffanx 2015-04-11T14:47:08 < Steffanx> buy me a windows license. 2015-04-11T14:47:24 < Steffanx> and office 2015-04-11T14:47:47 < Tectu> invite me to dinner 2015-04-11T14:52:11 < Steffanx> .. 2015-04-11T14:53:41 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/UlMVG.png 2015-04-11T14:56:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T14:58:14 < Tectu> haha :D 2015-04-11T14:58:18 < Tectu> didn't see that one coming 2015-04-11T14:58:50 < Steffanx> you didnt see Laurenceb coming? 2015-04-11T15:01:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-11T15:02:40 < jpa-> you did? 2015-04-11T15:04:02 < Tectu> is "reached deep into my wallet" a proper english "saying"? 2015-04-11T15:04:14 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:04:35 < ReadError> deep in to my pocket 2015-04-11T15:04:46 < ReadError> if you mean like, spending money.. 2015-04-11T15:06:32 < Tectu> thanks ReadError 2015-04-11T15:07:43 < Steffanx> heh new analog website is fucked up 2015-04-11T15:08:21 < Steffanx> when you have multiple tabs open the "bread crumbs" get mixed together. 2015-04-11T15:10:30 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-11T15:11:05 < ReadError> anyone done a pogopin based test board/flasher? 2015-04-11T15:11:21 < Steffanx> dongs 2015-04-11T15:11:26 < ReadError> was wondering if 2 boards are required to keep things solid and in alignment 2015-04-11T15:11:46 < ReadError> or just blob up enough solder and hope for the best 2015-04-11T15:11:50 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:13:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-11T15:16:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:25:49 < karlp> anyone know what U3 is on emeb's f070 breakout? U2 is regulator, but U3? usb protection device? 2015-04-11T15:30:30 < Tectu> karlp, link? 2015-04-11T15:30:43 -!- alan5 [~quassel@149.3.129.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-11T15:31:03 < Steffanx> must be protection.. cannot think of anything else 2015-04-11T15:31:05 < Steffanx> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/stm32f070C_breakout_front.jpg Tectu 2015-04-11T15:31:39 < Tectu> karlp, that's an USB TVS protection chip 2015-04-11T15:31:56 < Tectu> it's basically a set of diodes 2015-04-11T15:32:40 < Tectu> karlp, olimex loves to use this one: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1690354.pdf 2015-04-11T15:33:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-11T15:38:56 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:42:57 < karlp> yeah, thanks. 2015-04-11T15:53:00 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-204-137.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T15:53:09 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:53:25 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-204-137.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:54:59 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T15:55:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T16:27:26 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T16:29:49 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-11T16:44:14 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 2015-04-11T18:42:14 < superbia> kakimir: ordered the motorren? 2015-04-11T18:42:59 < kakimir> no 2015-04-11T18:43:18 < superbia> want to see it in action :/ 2015-04-11T18:44:59 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-218.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T18:45:42 < kakimir> glider 2015-04-11T18:45:43 < kakimir> ? 2015-04-11T18:45:59 < kakimir> I have no glider 2015-04-11T18:46:22 < superbia> so that thing you showed wasnt from you? 2015-04-11T18:46:37 < kakimir> it's more like acro 2015-04-11T18:56:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T19:15:45 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@eduroam-117-58.zdv.uni-mainz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-11T19:17:13 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T19:17:30 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2015-04-11T19:22:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 2015-04-11T19:29:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T19:33:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T19:38:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T19:49:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T19:56:07 < Tectu> http://www.venkel.com/part/PHCR2512-107DKB 2015-04-11T19:58:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T19:59:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:08:34 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:08:44 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:09:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.82] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:16:22 < kakimir> anyone here played with broadcom socs? 2015-04-11T20:16:51 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-11T20:17:13 < kakimir> is there any datasheets anywhere for such available? 2015-04-11T20:19:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:20:40 < Steffanx> lol. 2015-04-11T20:20:48 < Steffanx> doesn't everyone knows broadcom is nothing but NDA? 2015-04-11T20:21:15 < kakimir> that's what I thought 2015-04-11T20:22:17 < kakimir> reverse engineering 2015-04-11T20:23:11 < kakimir> required 2015-04-11T20:23:35 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2015-04-11T20:27:05 < jadew> I really wonder what's the point of NDA from the perspective of a chip manufacturer 2015-04-11T20:27:34 < jadew> it's not like his competitors can't get their hands on their NDA documents 2015-04-11T20:27:45 < jadew> they're equally big so they have equally big friends 2015-04-11T20:28:21 < kakimir> there is no newbtards asking stupid questions 2015-04-11T20:28:39 < jadew> they don't have to answer them 2015-04-11T20:29:03 < kakimir> it doesn't quite work that way 2015-04-11T20:29:57 < kakimir> they may want to restrict use of their products to vendors they like 2015-04-11T20:30:09 < kakimir> that fill their requirements 2015-04-11T20:30:30 < kakimir> * pass? 2015-04-11T20:32:13 < Laurenceb_> why would you bother 2015-04-11T20:32:32 < Laurenceb_> if they want to be NDA, they can take a ride 2015-04-11T20:32:42 < Laurenceb_> its not like they make anything useful 2015-04-11T20:32:51 < Laurenceb_> unless you want a cheap phone i guess 2015-04-11T20:33:08 < jadew> maybe it has to do with operating systems 2015-04-11T20:33:10 < kakimir> routers have like billion of their chips 2015-04-11T20:33:55 < jadew> altho, that doesn't make sense either 2015-04-11T20:34:16 < jadew> if they already sold the device with X OS, they don't care if you put another OS on it 2015-04-11T20:34:25 < jadew> or do they? 2015-04-11T20:35:09 < jadew> it cuts in the app market revenues, but this wasn't a thing until recently, so there's definitely something else at play 2015-04-11T20:35:23 < jadew> maybe it has to do with government controlled technology that exists in the chip 2015-04-11T20:35:34 < jadew> like encryption and crap like that 2015-04-11T20:35:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-11T20:36:49 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-11T20:36:57 < kakimir> their world domination club 2015-04-11T20:37:14 < jadew> no, the silly things that are export controlled 2015-04-11T20:39:12 < kakimir> the thing is you limit and restrict use of your assets all the ways you can afford to 2015-04-11T20:39:21 < jadew> so maybe they're forced to go the NDA route because it's the only whay in which they're allowed to offer those documents 2015-04-11T20:39:35 < kakimir> maybe they just can 2015-04-11T20:40:06 < jadew> let's ask google 2015-04-11T20:43:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:43:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-11T20:43:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:43:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-11T20:44:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T20:44:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-11T20:47:09 < jadew> couldn't find anything useful 2015-04-11T20:47:20 < jadew> now I'm bored 2015-04-11T20:53:53 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-11T21:01:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T21:01:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-11T21:01:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T21:08:42 < superbia> later phds 2015-04-11T21:08:45 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 1.1.1"] 2015-04-11T21:27:41 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-218.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-11T21:29:23 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T21:29:33 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-11T21:30:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T22:03:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.82] has quit [] 2015-04-11T22:08:18 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T22:22:23 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T22:34:40 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-11T22:34:41 < englishman> What's the point of NDA chips on raspberry pi 2015-04-11T22:35:15 < Laurenceb_> make money for broadcom 2015-04-11T22:35:30 < Laurenceb_> aka raspberry pi foundation 2015-04-11T22:36:15 < superbia> and look smart 2015-04-11T22:36:33 < Steffanx> what's the point of not NDAing them englishman? 2015-04-11T22:36:52 < Steffanx> Was it ever supposed to be open on such low level? 2015-04-11T22:37:13 < englishman> I dono, I thought it was restrictive for lunix dudes early on 2015-04-11T22:37:22 < englishman> And they ended up releasing some shit 2015-04-11T22:43:36 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-11T22:44:26 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T22:54:25 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-11T23:13:46 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-11T23:25:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-11T23:35:40 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-11T23:53:46 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ --- Day changed Sun Apr 12 2015 2015-04-12T00:25:14 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-12T00:26:51 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@198.199.71.166] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T00:29:44 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-12T00:29:47 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T00:29:53 < Tectu> how's ready for some cuddling? 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2015-04-12T01:02:58 < kakimir> integrated part of a sensor? 2015-04-12T01:03:28 < Laurenceb_> https://vimeo.com/124457762 2015-04-12T01:03:33 < Laurenceb_> is dat some nokia lcd 2015-04-12T01:03:41 < Laurenceb_> bet its running bascom avr 2015-04-12T01:06:08 < _Sync_> why the fuck is he wearing gloves 2015-04-12T01:06:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-12T01:07:10 < _Sync_> kakimir: ceramic hybrids 2015-04-12T01:07:52 < qyx_> kakimir: chip on board, http://www.datamath.org/Personal/Images/PM-140_COB.jpg 2015-04-12T01:08:57 < qyx_> http://maf-ffo.de/en/media/images/Chip_on_board_980x350.jpg 2015-04-12T01:09:16 < kakimir> why would you do that? 2015-04-12T01:09:35 < qyx_> Because i can. 2015-04-12T01:09:55 < qyx_> why not, probably because its cheaper for mass volume production 2015-04-12T01:11:24 < kakimir> you useem? 2015-04-12T01:11:57 < _Sync_> cheaper and more robust in some cases 2015-04-12T01:14:51 < kakimir> how about moisture? 2015-04-12T01:17:22 < _Sync_> what would that do? 2015-04-12T01:17:46 < _Sync_> the blobs are also some epoxy 2015-04-12T01:17:49 < Laurenceb_> what the fuuuuuuuuuu reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/adultnursing/ 2015-04-12T01:23:21 * Laurenceb_ wonders if all the posts are by Tectu 2015-04-12T01:44:37 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T01:44:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-146-188-73.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-12T01:47:27 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0acdde.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-12T02:09:43 < Laurenceb__> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/idronelink-433mz-european-version-now-shipping 2015-04-12T02:09:46 < Laurenceb__> smart idea 2015-04-12T02:17:57 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-12T02:24:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T02:28:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-12T02:30:48 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-12T02:32:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T02:32:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-12T02:32:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T02:34:01 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T02:36:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krpiddsqowndyhby] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-12T02:48:17 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-12T02:51:02 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-12T02:52:06 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T02:55:25 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-12T02:56:26 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-12T02:59:04 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T03:12:53 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-12T03:41:31 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-12T03:48:23 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-12T04:02:46 < dongs> < Laurenceb__> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/idronelink-433mz-european-version-now-shipping 2015-04-12T04:02:49 < dongs> european version 2015-04-12T04:02:53 < dongs> so it comes as a kit wiht loose parts in a bagf? 2015-04-12T04:02:58 < dongs> that you have to finish soldering? 2015-04-12T04:03:09 < dongs> to avoid CE & faggotry 2015-04-12T04:04:21 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-12T04:17:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-12T04:23:04 < ReadError> Laurenceb BLE bridge would have been better 2015-04-12T04:23:13 < ReadError> but I guess people wouldnt buy ur product 2015-04-12T04:51:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHXx3orN35Y amaze 2015-04-12T04:57:43 < dongs> maybe you missed the part wehre the original runs on a trash8088 2015-04-12T04:58:43 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T05:04:04 < upgrdman> damn, HCL + H2O2 etchant is fast. any idea what ratio this guy might have used? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwPPoiRBe4 2015-04-12T05:04:26 < upgrdman> my hcl+h2o2 is about as slow as ferric chloride 2015-04-12T05:16:12 < dongs> i think he did get one pcb fabbed 2015-04-12T05:16:22 < dongs> but i guess $10 is to omuch for him 2015-04-12T05:16:41 < upgrdman> i just dont want to wait 10 days 2015-04-12T05:16:56 < upgrdman> it's cheap to have china fab them. im not doing this for moneu 2015-04-12T05:22:41 < upgrdman> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9qnhKYt4f0 2015-04-12T05:23:21 < upgrdman> ^ because poland 2015-04-12T05:25:09 < PeterM> got the tree out, tractor seems to still work. i'd call it a success. i mean, i wouldnt do it that way, but still. 2015-04-12T05:26:25 < upgrdman> 10/10 would do again 2015-04-12T05:31:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T05:31:29 < dongs> We would like nothing more that to have a big clock counting down the seconds until the very first Zano gets boxed at the end of the production line and shipped to the lucky backer who receives it. 2015-04-12T05:31:34 < dongs> However, this is just not possible. There are so many steps still to take, and that date is literally shifting daily. We slip a few days late because the lead time on a component gets delayed, then we claw back a few days through negotiations with another supplier.. We were running slightly behind schedule, but now we are back on track. it's just the nature of the beast. 2015-04-12T05:31:39 < dongs> i need to find these suppliers 2015-04-12T05:31:42 < dongs> where i can claw back dates 2015-04-12T05:31:51 < dongs> anyone got some??? 2015-04-12T05:32:35 < dongs> Although I am not a baker (found Zano too late), and I have not yet purchased (being disappointed from other hyped projects, like Bebop, AirDog, Hexo+, and quite some more), looking at the project status and the technical depth of the updates, I will definitely order! 2015-04-12T05:32:59 < dongs> i am not a baker :( 2015-04-12T05:34:24 < englishman> Cx10 continues to deliver more LEDs and longer flight time 2015-04-12T05:36:20 < dongs> but it doesnt cost 299GBP 2015-04-12T05:36:24 < dongs> so not pro 2015-04-12T05:36:49 < dongs> also: doesnt glow in the dark 2015-04-12T05:44:16 < upgrdman> lol 2015-04-12T05:44:30 < upgrdman> im not DIY'ing pcb to be cheap. DIY costs more than china 2015-04-12T05:44:38 < upgrdman> i just want same day turnaround 2015-04-12T05:44:42 < upgrdman> for little pet projects. 2015-04-12T05:44:56 < upgrdman> then fab any shit that actually turns out to be decent 2015-04-12T05:45:45 < upgrdman> no i mean, same day im ready to populate the pcb 2015-04-12T05:45:51 < upgrdman> not just ship in 24hrs 2015-04-12T06:10:37 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-12T06:21:57 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-12T06:22:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T06:31:08 < dongs> http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/76008solaemon/index.htm 2015-04-12T06:35:55 < dongs> http://www.pitsco.com/Grades_9-12/Software/Rocket_Board_3-D_Accelerometer_and_Software attn R2COM 2015-04-12T06:37:36 < PeterM> needlessly large board 2015-04-12T06:37:51 < PeterM> needlessly high price 2015-04-12T06:40:40 < englishman> Smt USB can take 800G? 2015-04-12T06:41:17 < dongs> i'm hoping its $299 cuz there's a 1000G accelerometer on it 2015-04-12T06:41:23 < englishman> And DIP PIC 2015-04-12T06:47:11 < PeterM> can an SMD crystal take that much stress? wouldnt internalyl the crystal shear off the support wires? 2015-04-12T06:52:53 < dongs> http://chinahopson.en.made-in-china.com/product/PXrxsDhcCJVZ/China-1000kg-Drum-Bulk-Pack-Cyanoacrylate-Adhesive.html what happens when you spill this 2015-04-12T06:59:19 < PeterM> everyoneseyes start wateriong and they start coughing 2015-04-12T07:00:45 < englishman> Ca takes forever to dry 2015-04-12T07:01:02 < englishman> But try to mop that shit up and your mop might glue to the floor 2015-04-12T07:01:03 < englishman> Lol 2015-04-12T07:01:11 < PeterM> mop would probably catch fire 2015-04-12T07:01:31 < PeterM> ca reacts with moisture and gets hot as it reacts 2015-04-12T07:04:06 < PeterM> also not that geat with some natural organic fibers 2015-04-12T07:05:20 < upgrdman> nice conversation piece http://imgur.com/748E7Bb 2015-04-12T07:07:18 < PeterM> nice 2015-04-12T07:07:21 < dongs> vag not pixelated, cant be from japan 2015-04-12T07:08:02 < PeterM> rofl 2015-04-12T07:12:26 < englishman> That's enough ca to glue Ukraine to Russia 2015-04-12T07:18:40 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazon-Kindle-Paperwhite-LCD-Screen-ED060XC3-LF-Replacement-Touch-Digitizer-/261590299155?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce7ff3213 2015-04-12T07:18:43 < dongs> is that epaper 2015-04-12T07:22:20 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-12T07:26:58 < ReadError> dongs 2015-04-12T07:26:59 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/QYnrs 2015-04-12T07:27:05 < ReadError> any idea what could have fucked up? 2015-04-12T07:27:49 < dongs> you mean why top one doesnt have holes/ 2015-04-12T07:28:32 < ReadError> yea and the plugged vias 2015-04-12T07:30:25 < dongs> what, its same board out of a bigger batch? 2015-04-12T07:30:30 < dongs> or they were all fucked? 2015-04-12T07:30:36 < dongs> the vias arent pluggfed, tehre are no holes 2015-04-12T07:30:41 < dongs> no drilling happend. 2015-04-12T07:31:04 < ReadError> nah it was some of the boards randomly 2015-04-12T07:31:09 < ReadError> some okay, some fucked 2015-04-12T07:32:18 < PeterM> why no drills on neg pad both boards? 2015-04-12T07:32:47 < ReadError> PeterM that array of vias is for th neg pad 2015-04-12T07:32:49 < ReadError> the* 2015-04-12T07:33:00 < ReadError> layer 4 is my raw battery layer 2015-04-12T07:33:12 < ReadError> so i have extra vias to carry current 2015-04-12T07:33:53 < ReadError> the box of vias is the source (fet) 2015-04-12T07:34:26 < PeterM> i mean on the flying leads pads 2015-04-12T07:36:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/GWYXOlH.png 2015-04-12T07:39:26 < dongs> http://www.mobileread.mobi/forums/attachment.php?s=9a85ab3e3bd90621003711aea0c560b3&attachmentid=112667&d=1380753547 2015-04-12T07:39:29 < dongs> cute 2015-04-12T07:39:32 < dongs> where are lal the traces??? 2015-04-12T07:39:59 < ReadError> clone protection 2015-04-12T07:40:05 < dongs> ya 2015-04-12T07:41:24 < ReadError> need flying probe + opencv + $algorithms on your PNP 2015-04-12T07:42:17 < PeterM> ReadError, so if wires are soldered to bottom, all curren flows through single PTH and only thing holding copper to board is single PTH, extra PTH gives more mech str on both topside pads and bottom side pads, and gives better current handleing to bottom side sodlered leads too 2015-04-12T07:42:32 < ReadError> no 2015-04-12T07:42:35 < dongs> i think its his brushed clone trash 2015-04-12T07:42:36 < ReadError> wires are soldered on top 2015-04-12T07:42:41 < dongs> it doesnt draw that much to matter 2015-04-12T07:42:42 < ReadError> that pic is from the bottom 2015-04-12T07:42:47 < PeterM> well whjy are there p[ads on bottom then? 2015-04-12T07:42:58 < ReadError> connector option 2015-04-12T07:43:06 < ReadError> thats what the bigger holes are for 2015-04-12T07:43:34 < PeterM> http://www.multirotorsuperstore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/u/lulfro2.jpg motor pads on bottom 2015-04-12T07:44:31 < PeterM> but also, PTH adds much mroe mech str to pad 2015-04-12T07:45:00 < ReadError> yea basically i used the same footprint on top and bottom 2015-04-12T07:45:26 < ReadError> doesnt hurt anything, could have added mask but w/e 2015-04-12T07:45:48 < PeterM> i could easiyl see that neg pad being pulled off board if a motor disconnected from frame, even if soldered top side 2015-04-12T07:46:38 < ReadError> PeterM yea, could use some more PTH for strength 2015-04-12T07:46:57 < ReadError> not heard of anything getting ripped off, the wires on these motors would break before that but good idea 2015-04-12T07:47:19 < PeterM> plus, vias/pth are free 2015-04-12T07:47:29 < PeterM> well atleast with oshpark 2015-04-12T07:55:22 < dongs> oh looks liek jpa covered haxing some of this epaper shit in his blog 2015-04-12T07:55:28 < dongs> nice 2015-04-12T07:56:14 < ReadError> dongs your pogopin flasher 2015-04-12T07:56:24 < ReadError> did you use 2 boards to keep the shaft straight? 2015-04-12T07:56:32 < ReadError> or just blobs of solder and hope its okay 2015-04-12T07:56:37 < dongs> waht 2 boards 2015-04-12T07:56:43 < dongs> i plugged it in when i wa smaking connections 2015-04-12T07:56:54 < dongs> ReadError: why are you talking about production flashing if youre not cloning 2015-04-12T07:56:58 < ReadError> yea if you have 2 boards it will keep the shafts in alignment 2015-04-12T07:57:02 < dongs> "personal use" does not warrant a pogopin flasher 2015-04-12T07:57:06 < ReadError> dongs for flashing these lulfros 2015-04-12T07:57:09 < dongs> uh huh 2015-04-12T07:57:28 < ReadError> but i wanted to have pogos for testing everything 2015-04-12T07:57:37 < ReadError> each fet, pwm/serial input etc 2015-04-12T07:58:30 < GargantuaSauce> is it just me or is TI's site broken as fuck 2015-04-12T07:58:39 < GargantuaSauce> search not working, google links 404'd 2015-04-12T07:59:22 < dongs> looks ok to me 2015-04-12T07:59:26 < dongs> they did recently gay it up 2015-04-12T07:59:28 < dongs> with web 3.0 2015-04-12T08:00:04 < GargantuaSauce> guess chromium is being saucy again 2015-04-12T08:21:05 < dongs> http://meuk.spritesserver.nl/foto/foto/misc16/eink-grays.jpg sweet 2015-04-12T08:46:47 -!- Gunirus_ [sid20073@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yydxvdgkuswnwxtl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T08:49:00 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T08:49:04 -!- RaYmAn_ [rayman@rayman.dk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T08:49:16 -!- funnel_ [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T08:49:19 -!- Matt_soton [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T08:53:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: rkreis_, forrestv, reportingsjr, Gunirus, funnel, RaYmAn, mattbrejza 2015-04-12T08:53:58 -!- funnel_ is now known as funnel 2015-04-12T08:54:23 -!- Gunirus_ is now known as Gunirus 2015-04-12T08:55:18 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Quit: brb reboot] 2015-04-12T08:56:02 < upgrdman> dat lack of contrast 2015-04-12T08:59:56 < dongs> ur lack 2015-04-12T09:00:53 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@2604:a880:800:10::11e:d001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T09:01:35 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T09:05:22 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T09:58:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-12T10:19:12 < Devilholk> dongs: Your eink stuff? 2015-04-12T10:26:36 < dongs> not mine 2015-04-12T10:26:55 < dongs> i picked up a 1024x758 panel tho, might dick with it when i have free time 2015-04-12T10:30:04 < zyp> do you ever have free time? :p 2015-04-12T10:32:01 < Devilholk> dongs: Ah ok, nice 2015-04-12T10:32:25 < Devilholk> Can hobbyist source cheap eink displays yet? 2015-04-12T10:32:36 < Devilholk> Or do you have to order a container of them custom made to get them cheap? 2015-04-12T10:35:09 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261590299155 40 was cheap enough to just waste 2015-04-12T10:35:48 < zyp> heh, that's half of the price of a full kindle 2015-04-12T10:36:04 < dongs> izzit? i have no idea waht those things run 2015-04-12T10:36:25 < Devilholk> That's not too bad, though it is still a week of food 2015-04-12T10:36:37 < dongs> $139 without "special offers" 2015-04-12T10:36:43 < zyp> I paid 7800 jpy when I bought mine two years ago 2015-04-12T10:36:47 < zyp> without adshit 2015-04-12T10:36:50 < dongs> crazy 2015-04-12T10:36:56 < dongs> was it a deaL? 2015-04-12T10:37:01 < dongs> or was JPY that good back then 2015-04-12T10:37:20 < zyp> no, I think they just shitted up pricing since 2015-04-12T10:37:20 < dongs> speacil offers display when youre not reading 2015-04-12T10:37:21 < dongs> lulz 2015-04-12T10:38:52 < zyp> probably because enough assholes buy kindles and load them up with pirated books 2015-04-12T10:39:10 < dongs> pssh, do pirates even read 2015-04-12T10:39:17 < zyp> idk 2015-04-12T10:39:26 < dongs> i thoguht they buy them then install lunix on it 2015-04-12T10:39:34 < zyp> my kindle was pretty much free, compared to how much I've spent on books for it since I bought it :p 2015-04-12T10:41:20 < Devilholk> Pirates do read 2015-04-12T10:41:23 < Devilholk> Well, some of them 2015-04-12T10:53:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:07:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:14:28 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:14:45 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:24:37 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:27:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-12T11:35:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:35:59 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:38:18 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhyabwmpsejvqmdm] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:39:29 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:40:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.175] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:40:26 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-12T11:40:50 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T11:42:03 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-12T11:42:21 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T12:02:43 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T12:14:34 < baird> My Mum's into that in a big way. When she got a Mobi converter for the iPad, the first book in the converted directory was "50 Shades of Grey". She read about 1/3rd of it, and told me "The author of that book is a Virgin :|" 2015-04-12T12:17:09 < zyp> heh 2015-04-12T12:21:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T12:32:29 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-12T12:40:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-12T12:41:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-12T12:45:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T12:49:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T12:53:18 < dongs> it was only first cuz the directory was alphabetically sorted 2015-04-12T12:53:41 < dongs> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11129786_971989222813945_5085849496686567996_n.jpg?oh=137e0f4e263e0c5862163b1c583bf02f&oe=55B4D72F&__gda__=1440606507_5150cf4a5d3e84cee049ab3e952ae59f 2015-04-12T12:53:46 < dongs> looks legit 2015-04-12T12:56:14 < englishman> dongs 2015-04-12T12:56:17 < PeterM> works long enough to drive it to the mechanic 2015-04-12T12:56:18 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/q545ZiC.png 2015-04-12T12:56:29 < englishman> pug life 2015-04-12T12:57:29 < PeterM> $5 says shopped 2015-04-12T12:57:38 < dongs> phantom owners arent exactly bright 2015-04-12T12:58:39 < PeterM> i dont see the dog pissing itself in fright so proabbly shopped 2015-04-12T13:00:59 < ReadError> hello bloggers 2015-04-12T13:01:14 < ReadError> what medium do yall use in ultrasonic baths to clean pcbs 2015-04-12T13:02:21 < englishman> cum 2015-04-12T13:02:36 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T13:02:49 < ReadError> how do you source all that?? 2015-04-12T13:03:00 < englishman> has to be fresh, ideally from a young boy 2015-04-12T13:20:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-12T13:22:21 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T13:23:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T13:33:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-12T13:34:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T13:46:47 < _Sync_> ReadError: citrus based stuff works very well 2015-04-12T13:47:24 < englishman> ^ eat a lot of pineapple 2015-04-12T13:48:03 < ReadError> isopropyl work? 2015-04-12T13:48:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-12T13:48:40 < _Sync_> yeah, but very yolo 2015-04-12T13:48:51 < _Sync_> because you are creating an explosion hazard 2015-04-12T13:48:56 < _Sync_> I use tickopur tr3 2015-04-12T13:50:04 -!- Matt_soton is now known as mattbrejza 2015-04-12T13:52:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-12T13:53:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T13:56:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.197.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-12T14:12:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-12T14:16:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhyabwmpsejvqmdm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-12T14:36:34 < Getty> oh god, this manufacturer for the electronics is really exactly the type of company i like. family business, and on friday i sent the information for calucluation, and TODAY on sunday he replies, at 10 am 2015-04-12T14:36:54 < Getty> thats the spirit 2015-04-12T14:37:53 < Getty> but totally funny i gave him like all the informations and everything, i just forgot the main number: how many we want 2015-04-12T14:39:00 < specing> Getty: or you know... they could just be working weekends and have 5 days free per week 2015-04-12T14:39:19 < Getty> specing: no, its the boss personally, it is really their main working mentality 2015-04-12T14:39:20 < specing> my ideal job 2015-04-12T14:39:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T14:40:05 -!- RaYmAn_ is now known as RaYmAn 2015-04-12T14:41:27 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-200.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T14:42:33 < Steffanx> i call it work-a-holic .. 2015-04-12T14:45:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-12T14:52:40 < Getty> i dont really think its workaholic, its just like... i am the same, when i get up on sunday and see a customer email, i reply and/or try to help 2015-04-12T14:53:03 < Getty> its not like that i wanna hard work that day then, but if its on the table and you are the only one who can answer, why not? it makes the customer happy 2015-04-12T14:53:17 < Getty> on the other side, dont expect me to react proper at 8 oclock on a monday ;-) 2015-04-12T14:53:18 < Steffanx> Love the wonderful Idd vd Vdd figures in the L0 datasheet 2015-04-12T14:54:30 < Steffanx> must be excel.. uA written as x.xE-6 and 1.8V written as 1.80E+00 2015-04-12T14:56:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-12T15:04:05 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-12T15:06:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.239] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T15:13:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-12T15:24:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.111] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T15:31:55 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T15:33:04 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T15:48:34 < Laurenceb__> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/autoblow-2-a-realistic-robotic-oral-sex-simulator-for-men 2015-04-12T15:48:37 < Laurenceb__> 622% .... 2015-04-12T15:50:10 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-12T15:50:47 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T15:53:13 < dongs> nice 2015-04-12T15:53:16 < dongs> your next trollproj 2015-04-12T15:55:48 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.wp.com/www.brobible.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sex-robot-cesar-vonc-soubrobotte.jpg?resize=640%2C359 2015-04-12T15:55:50 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2015-04-12T15:56:09 < dongs> proo 2015-04-12T15:56:15 < Laurenceb_> is that an RC glow engine 2015-04-12T15:57:53 < dongs> heh 2015-04-12T15:58:16 < dongs> http://i0.wp.com/www.brobible.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sex-robot-cesar-vonc-soubrobotte.jpg 2015-04-12T15:58:20 < dongs> dont give a retarded resize link then 2015-04-12T16:07:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-12T16:10:09 < Getty> wow..... at first i thought thats a human centipede simulation robot 2015-04-12T16:13:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ebf070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-12T16:16:35 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@178.62.100.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-12T16:20:33 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-200.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-12T16:20:40 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@h88-150-252-200.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T16:23:50 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T16:24:10 -!- jprimeau [~textual@modemcable184.133-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I don't care about model look 2015-04-12T17:30:43 < ReadError> I could turn that in to many pieces, very quick 2015-04-12T17:31:33 < kakimir> such possibility 2015-04-12T17:35:10 < GargantuaSauce> i have a skywalker x8 that i plan on making autonomous 2015-04-12T17:35:18 < GargantuaSauce> when i get around to assembling the damn thing... 2015-04-12T17:35:43 < kakimir> I think I want to do tracking antennas to ground station and to plane 2015-04-12T17:35:59 < GargantuaSauce> lol a gimballed antenna on the plane too? 2015-04-12T17:36:00 < kakimir> just 2.4ghz wlan 2015-04-12T17:36:25 < kakimir> and video and other stuff over ip 2015-04-12T17:36:30 < kakimir> so sweet 2015-04-12T17:37:05 < kakimir> at least in one axis I think 2015-04-12T17:37:16 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-blmswzugvqwcgjjn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T17:37:20 < GargantuaSauce> interesting 2015-04-12T17:38:01 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@192.3.203.101] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T17:39:55 < kakimir> how about one physical axis and another using antenna array 2015-04-12T17:40:08 < kakimir> madness 2015-04-12T17:40:31 < Laurenceb_> sounds tricky 2015-04-12T17:40:36 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-12T17:40:43 < Laurenceb_> 2.4GHz seems a poor choice for telemetry 2015-04-12T17:40:50 < Laurenceb_> id use 434mhz 2015-04-12T17:41:04 < Laurenceb_> or maybe 868 2015-04-12T17:41:20 < kakimir> if you want serious data over it? 2015-04-12T17:41:53 < kakimir> take hires photos, get them instantly? 2015-04-12T17:42:40 < Lt_Lemming> 868 isn't ISM, 900 is 2015-04-12T17:43:02 < Lt_Lemming> 900 to 928 in most countries, 915 to 928 in Region 2 countries 2015-04-12T17:43:03 < kakimir> there would be another channels for control and telemetry certainly 2015-04-12T17:46:54 < karlp> SRD instead of ISM, but effectivelty the same right? 2015-04-12T17:46:59 < kakimir> hmm a disk mounted over plane having a rotating yagi inside 2015-04-12T17:47:51 < kakimir> some servos tilting disk when banking 2015-04-12T17:49:28 < qyx_> Lt_Lemming: huh? 2015-04-12T17:49:41 < qyx_> etsi is 868 and around 2015-04-12T17:50:05 < Lt_Lemming> ISM == Industry, Science and Medical 2015-04-12T17:50:09 < qyx_> actually karlp is rignt 2015-04-12T17:50:11 < qyx_> srd 2015-04-12T17:50:15 < Lt_Lemming> radio bands that are free to use without a license 2015-04-12T17:50:53 < qyx_> yes, but ~900 is allocated to mobile in eu 2015-04-12T17:51:06 < kakimir> you are free to you any channel as long you don't get noticed and caught 2015-04-12T17:51:25 < baird> The 828 band overlaps with AU's 3G mobile, too 2015-04-12T17:51:48 < baird> Very easy to get caught (and triangulated) when you interfer with mobile.. 2015-04-12T17:52:03 < Lt_Lemming> qyx_, yeah it's 900 to 910 for 3G mobile, that's why you use 915 to 928 2015-04-12T17:52:07 < _Sync_> just move around a lot baird 2015-04-12T17:52:16 < Lt_Lemming> 828 isn't an ISM band baird 2015-04-12T17:52:31 < Lt_Lemming> unless you mean 928? in which case, nope, no mobile signal there 2015-04-12T17:52:39 < qyx_> Lt_Lemming: see EN 300 220, there is no 915-928 in ETSI countries 2015-04-12T17:52:50 < qyx_> there is 863-870MHz 2015-04-12T17:53:02 < qyx_> which is what is commonly reffered to as 868MHz band 2015-04-12T17:53:50 < dongs> ugh 2015-04-12T17:53:50 < kakimir> 868 is free to use around here 2015-04-12T17:53:53 < dongs> im failing @ C 2015-04-12T17:53:55 < kakimir> I think 2015-04-12T17:54:05 < kakimir> sleep dongs 2015-04-12T17:54:06 < dongs> how the fuck do I make this work (i < len / 4) 2015-04-12T17:54:07 < _Sync_> innovated too much dongs 2015-04-12T17:54:19 < Lt_Lemming> qyx_, got a source for that? 2015-04-12T17:54:27 < qyx_> Lt_Lemming: google for en 300 220 2015-04-12T17:54:34 < Lt_Lemming> Australia an ETSI member and we have 915 to 928 ism bands 2015-04-12T17:54:36 < qyx_> Table 1: Frequency bands commonly designated to Short Range Devices within 25 MHz to 1 000 MHz 2015-04-12T17:54:56 < qyx_> dongs: add ()? 2015-04-12T17:55:17 < dongs> qyx, pretty sure thats not the problem 2015-04-12T17:55:52 < dongs> if len is 0..3 i want result to be 1, if 4..7, 2.. etc 2015-04-12T17:56:20 < dongs> but if I +1 it breaks at 3, 6, etc 2015-04-12T17:56:29 < dongs> i think i want like 'round down' or osmething thing. 2015-04-12T17:56:36 < qyx_> wut 2015-04-12T17:56:45 < qyx_> dongs: (n >> 2) + 1? 2015-04-12T17:57:08 < qyx_> or simply n / 4 + 1 2015-04-12T17:57:19 < dongs> i thought i did that and it didnt work 2015-04-12T17:57:40 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T17:58:39 < GargantuaSauce> this sounds more like a log than a constant division 2015-04-12T17:59:02 < GargantuaSauce> like the place value of the first 1 in the number 2015-04-12T17:59:06 < GargantuaSauce> er power 2015-04-12T17:59:24 < dongs> maybe im too stoned, it works now 2015-04-12T17:59:29 < dongs> ~_~ 2015-04-12T17:59:39 < GargantuaSauce> no no the stoned emoticon is e_e 2015-04-12T18:00:11 < qyx_> which one works now 2015-04-12T18:02:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-12T18:05:37 < dongs> qyx, maybne adding parenthesis fixed it 2015-04-12T18:09:06 < qyx_> this i << len / 4? 2015-04-12T18:09:23 < dongs> < qyx_> or simply n / 4 + 1 2015-04-12T18:09:28 < dongs> i dunno actually why it didnt work before 2015-04-12T18:09:31 < dongs> maybe i didnt evne change anythign 2015-04-12T18:09:52 < qyx_> hm, no paranthesis should be needed 2015-04-12T18:10:03 < qyx_> anyway, meh 2015-04-12T18:12:33 < dongs> ya weird 2015-04-12T18:12:37 < dongs> shit is all working now 2015-04-12T18:12:42 < dongs> better not mess with it again 2015-04-12T18:15:20 < Tectu> sounds like freertos code 2015-04-12T18:17:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T18:17:51 < dongs> for NonASSR panel, need a HW stripping please contact TI to get more information 2015-04-12T18:17:52 < dongs> cute 2015-04-12T18:18:06 < dongs> why do i find this shit in fucking lunix sores 2015-04-12T18:18:09 < dongs> and nowehre in datasheet 2015-04-12T18:19:41 < qyx_> yes, freertos needs much trying to get working properly 2015-04-12T18:20:10 < qyx_> even more than chibios :S 2015-04-12T18:23:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T18:24:58 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-12T18:25:03 < dongs> bedtime 2015-04-12T18:28:02 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-12T18:28:08 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@178.62.117.109] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T18:36:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T18:41:46 < bradfirj> Is there an "even lighter" lightweight RTOS, for when FreeRTOS is too "jesus christ what is this how what kill me" 2015-04-12T18:42:39 < GargantuaSauce> i am pretty sure software development is "jesus christ what is this how what kill me" all the way down 2015-04-12T18:42:57 < GargantuaSauce> and all the way up 2015-04-12T18:43:10 < bradfirj> That was certaintly my reaction upon first exposure to STMCube and the HAL libs 2015-04-12T18:43:19 < GargantuaSauce> heheh 2015-04-12T18:43:26 < bradfirj> Coming from a linux background where everything is documented to fuck 2015-04-12T18:45:59 < bradfirj> Does anyone use STMCubeMX for the startup generation, and is it me or are they needlessly complex 2015-04-12T18:47:48 < GargantuaSauce> it is well-known that timecube is awful 2015-04-12T18:47:59 < bradfirj> Lovely 2015-04-12T18:49:06 < qyx_> what did you say? 2015-04-12T18:49:11 < bradfirj> :ducks: 2015-04-12T18:49:34 < qyx_> linux background with documentation? 2015-04-12T18:50:01 < bradfirj> When you're working with the kernel APIs stuff is very well defined 2015-04-12T18:50:06 < bradfirj> well, in my experience anyway 2015-04-12T18:50:16 < bradfirj> Other developers adhering to those definitions, not so much 2015-04-12T18:50:24 < bradfirj> but at least there _is_ a standard even if everyone ignores it 2015-04-12T18:50:34 < karlp> heh, linux is documented... 2015-04-12T18:57:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-12T19:01:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T19:04:59 < emeb_mac> hey - there's even a whole directory tree called "Documentation" in the kernel source. 2015-04-12T19:05:07 < emeb_mac> what are you complaining about? 2015-04-12T19:05:22 < emeb_mac> 2015-04-12T19:06:04 < GargantuaSauce> the documentation is great unless you are looking at the parts with bad documentation 2015-04-12T19:13:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-12T19:14:46 < emeb_mac> a few years back I wanted to add my own codec to an embedded Linux SoC. I spent a few weeks digging around in the audio drivers before giving up. 2015-04-12T19:15:48 < emeb_mac> basically the only way this is possible is if you sit in a cubicle between a top-grade kernel guy and the guy who designed the SoC and someone can pay your salary for a year. 2015-04-12T19:16:18 < GargantuaSauce> multimedia is invariably a clusterfuck 2015-04-12T19:16:48 < emeb_mac> lets just say that linux kernel audio is... Baroque and leave it at that. 2015-04-12T19:16:48 < englishman> Linux supports audio now? 2015-04-12T19:19:18 < GargantuaSauce> i dunno man i worked with directshow a bit too, not like that's any better 2015-04-12T19:19:44 < GargantuaSauce> i havent looked at the newer windows apis but i suspect they just got shittier and added more drm support 2015-04-12T19:35:16 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T19:39:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-12T19:40:27 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-12T19:41:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-12T19:41:51 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T19:43:39 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-12T19:44:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T19:54:36 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-12T19:58:12 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-12T20:08:08 -!- pilper4ahov [~cinch@ec2-52-11-101-244.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-12T20:18:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-12T20:23:03 < karlp> emeb: yeah, all the ar9331 modules around have i2s support, and "slic" but I havne't seen anything useing it that isn't proprietary. 2015-04-12T20:28:32 < emeb> karlp: I started out trying to add an audio codec to the Beaglebone before the TI guys got around to it. 2015-04-12T20:29:04 < emeb> the Linux ALSA SoC driver is a complicated mess of interlocking drivers and it's hard to figure out where to start. 2015-04-12T20:32:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.239] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T20:34:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T20:39:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-12T20:49:08 < Laurenceb_> haha beaglebone 2015-04-12T20:49:20 < Laurenceb_> what a clusterfuck 2015-04-12T20:50:06 < karlp> better than pi through right? no-one even attempts to do things there? 2015-04-12T20:50:28 < Laurenceb_> heh well with a lot of hacks its capable of credible lipo operation 2015-04-12T20:50:33 < Laurenceb_> and maybe even RTC 2015-04-12T20:50:42 < Laurenceb_> tho i didnt get that far before raging out 2015-04-12T20:50:49 < Laurenceb_> USB host is still broken tho 2015-04-12T20:51:58 < Laurenceb_> there are stupid mistakes like tying the battery voltage monitoring ADC line to the 3.3v pin next to the battery monitor pin on the PMIC 2015-04-12T20:52:17 < Laurenceb_> managed to fix that one with some careful drilling 2015-04-12T20:59:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-12T21:07:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T21:18:37 < akaWolf> [17:06:44] Black Cat: Вообщем, ты слишком плохо относился к Кате 2015-04-12T21:18:41 < akaWolf> [17:07:28] akaWolf: в каком смысле?) 2015-04-12T21:18:43 < akaWolf> [17:07:44] Black Cat: Заставлял убирать, стирать, готовить, трахался 2015-04-12T21:18:46 < akaWolf> [17:07:47] akaWolf: и 2015-04-12T21:18:49 < akaWolf> [17:07:53] Black Cat: Ну вот 2015-04-12T21:18:50 < karlp> bad paste day again akawolf 2015-04-12T21:18:51 < akaWolf> wtf 2015-04-12T21:18:54 < akaWolf> ! 2015-04-12T21:20:44 < Fleck> :D 2015-04-12T21:21:38 < akaWolf> karlp: + 2015-04-12T21:22:03 < akaWolf> putty have bad ability: paste at right mouse click 2015-04-12T21:22:26 < Fleck> isn't that settable in settings? 2015-04-12T21:22:32 < karlp> s/bad/good and yeah, it's a setting 2015-04-12T21:23:18 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T21:24:51 < akaWolf> Fleck: yeah, found it. 2015-04-12T21:25:38 < Steffanx> Black Cat, akaWolf .. are they more animals in the gang akaWolf? 2015-04-12T21:25:53 < Steffanx> *there 2015-04-12T21:25:59 < Fleck> ;p 2015-04-12T21:26:07 < Fleck> who treat woman badly... 2015-04-12T21:27:31 < akaWolf> we are not animals... 2015-04-12T21:30:22 < Laurenceb_> anyone here any good with wine (linux emulation stuff) ? 2015-04-12T21:30:29 < Laurenceb_> I have some weird maths errors 2015-04-12T21:30:43 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to run http://www.eznec.com/demoinfo.htm 2015-04-12T21:30:53 < Laurenceb_> but all the numbers are off by ~ 10^20 2015-04-12T21:31:25 < akaWolf> Laurenceb_: you can install VirtualBox.. 2015-04-12T21:31:41 < Fleck> akaWolf: I doubt that, he can't :D 2015-04-12T21:31:41 < Laurenceb_> do i need a windows image to run inside it? 2015-04-12T21:32:14 < akaWolf> Laurenceb_: inside VBox? yes 2015-04-12T21:32:22 < Laurenceb_> dont have one lol 2015-04-12T21:32:36 < akaWolf> Laurenceb_: download from torrent ;) 2015-04-12T21:32:38 < Fleck> americans... :D 2015-04-12T21:33:06 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-12T21:33:16 < ReadError> lunix desktops are great!!! 2015-04-12T21:34:17 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2015-04-12T21:34:21 < Laurenceb_> sometimes it works 2015-04-12T21:34:22 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-04-12T21:34:35 < Laurenceb_> i just need to re enter all the numbers a few times 2015-04-12T21:34:47 < ReadError> or you can just use windows where shit works (tm) 2015-04-12T21:34:48 < Laurenceb_> i think stuff is being broken going too-from the gui 2015-04-12T21:35:01 < jpa-> often you can get windows for free from dreamspark or msdn, if you work or study somewhere 2015-04-12T21:35:56 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-12T21:36:49 < Laurenceb_> i only troll 2015-04-12T21:37:15 < jpa-> https://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads or you can download one of these, of course against license to use it for other things, though 2015-04-12T21:39:23 < Fleck> also there is something as weird as https://www.reactos.org 2015-04-12T21:39:54 < jpa-> though if something doesn't work with wine, chances are it won't work with reactos either 2015-04-12T21:40:22 < Fleck> yep 2015-04-12T21:40:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2015-04-12T21:40:56 < Laurenceb_> seems to be working now 2015-04-12T21:41:04 < Laurenceb_> if i refresh the gui a bit 2015-04-12T21:42:38 < BrainDamage> try xnec2c 2015-04-12T21:43:13 < BrainDamage> it'll work natively in loonix 2015-04-12T21:43:48 < BrainDamage> my main gripe with nec editors is that the geometry editor isn't much better than editing the file by hand 2015-04-12T21:45:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2015-04-12T21:45:37 < Laurenceb_> ah thanks, this looks good 2015-04-12T21:45:46 < Laurenceb_> is there a way to add inductors? 2015-04-12T21:45:59 < Laurenceb_> or are these things antenna only? 2015-04-12T21:46:17 < BrainDamage> add an helix 2015-04-12T21:46:30 < Laurenceb_> heh 2015-04-12T21:46:41 < Laurenceb_> ah "L Network" 2015-04-12T21:49:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.252] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T21:57:11 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-12T22:10:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-12T22:46:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-blmswzugvqwcgjjn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-12T22:48:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-12T22:55:44 < upgrdman> flyback, weird video. and why does the cyborg girl have concave nipples? 2015-04-12T22:56:39 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuynizztmuuiitml] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T22:58:39 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T23:18:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T23:33:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-12T23:49:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.210.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T23:54:59 -!- Amperture [~Amp@107-207-76-17.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-12T23:56:59 < Laurenceb_> omg flyback --- Day changed Mon Apr 13 2015 2015-04-13T00:02:13 < Laurenceb_> hes alive 2015-04-13T00:02:21 < Laurenceb_> omg how can there be 16meg of code 2015-04-13T00:03:09 < superbia> go sleep man 2015-04-13T00:03:35 < Laurenceb_> double precision matrices 2015-04-13T00:03:37 < Laurenceb_> wtf man 2015-04-13T00:04:21 < superbia> how you dare to interupt my audiophile experience Laurenceb_ 2015-04-13T00:04:23 < superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdSNhY-DKKI 2015-04-13T00:04:29 < superbia> hope it helps you too 2015-04-13T00:07:04 < Laurenceb_> interesting, SPC56L has flexray 2015-04-13T00:10:56 < Steffanx> it could've been worse superbia 2015-04-13T00:11:24 < superbia> song or Laurenceb_ ? 2015-04-13T00:11:35 < Steffanx> sonh 2015-04-13T00:11:35 < Steffanx> g 2015-04-13T00:11:46 < superbia> check song description aka intellectual property 2015-04-13T00:36:43 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-13T00:39:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.210.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-13T00:47:15 < kakimir> http://fi8.eu.apcdn.com/full/129454.png 2015-04-13T00:49:16 < Steffanx> who are those blue/white star people kakimir? 2015-04-13T00:50:11 < Steffanx> *balls/marbles/whatever 2015-04-13T00:52:03 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp137.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T00:53:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:588a:2384:6c5e:67ed] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-13T00:57:04 < kakimir> http://cafe-powell.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Stars-and-Stripes-Forever.jpg would it be western power 2015-04-13T00:59:21 < scummos> https://i.imgur.com/rZYoB3m.jpg isn't it pretty 2015-04-13T00:59:25 < scummos> and it works, even 2015-04-13T00:59:28 < scummos> ... mostly 2015-04-13T00:59:44 < Getty> what is the purpose of those .... pacman lines? 2015-04-13T01:00:22 < scummos> RF shielding 2015-04-13T01:00:32 < kakimir> that looks heavy 2015-04-13T01:00:44 < scummos> heavy in what sense? ;) 2015-04-13T01:00:49 < Getty> so like streets between the rf parts? 2015-04-13T01:01:00 < Getty> and thats why they have those hole inside, to better reflect? 2015-04-13T01:01:09 < Getty> s/hole/holes/ 2015-04-13T01:01:12 < zyp> it's for mounting shields on top 2015-04-13T01:01:19 < Getty> ah ok 2015-04-13T01:01:19 < zyp> holes are to connect to ground plane 2015-04-13T01:01:19 < scummos> that was part of the idea as well, yes 2015-04-13T01:01:21 < Getty> that makes more sense 2015-04-13T01:01:28 < scummos> although I will probably not do it 2015-04-13T01:01:47 < scummos> the vias alone are effective in reducing coupling between the sections 2015-04-13T01:01:49 < Getty> well the holes are pretty..... pointless for holding, as you see they dont go really into the board 2015-04-13T01:01:55 < kakimir> scummos: by tech in it 2015-04-13T01:01:58 < Getty> its just missing material ;) 2015-04-13T01:02:03 < zyp> Getty, uh 2015-04-13T01:02:05 < scummos> kakimir: yes, it sort of is 2015-04-13T01:02:08 < zyp> they are plated through 2015-04-13T01:02:30 < scummos> Getty: yes the idea of the holes is that they are plated through to the ground plane 2015-04-13T01:02:40 < scummos> and force the strips to ground firmly 2015-04-13T01:02:43 < kakimir> what it does? 2015-04-13T01:03:03 < scummos> kakimir: effectively it's a receive-only SDR for around 1.4 GHz with ~6 MHz bandwidth 2015-04-13T01:03:17 < Getty> do we talk about the same thing? 2015-04-13T01:03:42 < scummos> kakimir: it downconverts and amplifies the 1.4 GHz signal and samples it with ~12 MSa/s and sends the raw samples out through USB 2015-04-13T01:04:07 < scummos> Getty: not sure? I tried to explain the purpose of the vias in the silver-ish lines 2015-04-13T01:04:20 < kakimir> https://plus.google.com/116404289183233935726/posts got you from photo search "lpc4333" 2015-04-13T01:04:28 < scummos> haha really 2015-04-13T01:04:35 < kakimir> saw your board at second row or so 2015-04-13T01:04:42 < scummos> that's kind of ridiculous 2015-04-13T01:05:16 < scummos> haha like 30% of the search results in google images are from me ._. 2015-04-13T01:05:33 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/BuEFOqO.jpg?2 i mean this here 2015-04-13T01:05:44 < zyp> scummos, are the usb traces length matched and impedance controlled? :p 2015-04-13T01:05:47 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-13T01:05:49 < scummos> zyp: yes sort of 2015-04-13T01:05:58 < scummos> you see the wiggle :D 2015-04-13T01:06:02 < zyp> looks kinda pointless for that distance, even if you're doing HS :p 2015-04-13T01:06:08 < zyp> yeah, and the trace width 2015-04-13T01:06:10 < scummos> zyp: yes, I think it's kind of pointless 2015-04-13T01:06:14 < scummos> but better safe than sorry 2015-04-13T01:06:26 < scummos> Getty: yes. those are vias to ground, they connect the silver track on top to ground 2015-04-13T01:06:34 < scummos> and provide sort of a "fence" for radiation 2015-04-13T01:06:54 < zyp> love the resistor on the sot23 footprint 2015-04-13T01:07:02 < scummos> :D 2015-04-13T01:07:04 < Getty> ah so like there is a connection under the silver, and the holes i see are just where like where there is NO connection to the ground 2015-04-13T01:07:16 < scummos> zyp: I forgot that resistor but noticed I don't need the diode I wanted there 2015-04-13T01:07:24 < zyp> Getty, do you know what a plated via is? 2015-04-13T01:07:26 < scummos> Getty: no? the holes are plated 2015-04-13T01:07:36 < scummos> the inner side of the drill is plated with metal 2015-04-13T01:08:09 < Getty> yes i looked at the picture, yeah but there is no drill where i point to, thats why i am so confued 2015-04-13T01:08:22 < Getty> http://www.ellwest-pcb.com/images/durch.gif you mean this, right? 2015-04-13T01:08:43 < scummos> ah I see what you mean 2015-04-13T01:08:48 < scummos> that looks confusing on the picture, there's actually a hole there 2015-04-13T01:08:51 < Getty> ah good :) 2015-04-13T01:08:54 < Getty> oh! ok :D 2015-04-13T01:08:59 < Getty> then it makes sense again 2015-04-13T01:09:35 < qyx_> whats the purpose of this board? 2015-04-13T01:09:44 < Getty> and the parts where there are no holes, means that there probably is some layer having an in/out connection there? 2015-04-13T01:09:52 < scummos> Getty: yes, exactly 2015-04-13T01:10:00 < Getty> ha, now it all makes sense! 2015-04-13T01:10:05 < scummos> qyx_: radio astronomy 2015-04-13T01:10:15 < Getty> but pacman lines is a good name ;) 2015-04-13T01:10:28 < scummos> qyx_: effectively it samples a ~6 MHz wide band at 1.4 GHz 2015-04-13T01:10:31 < qyx_> some super pro super low NF receiver? 2015-04-13T01:10:51 < scummos> no, the low-noise preamplifier is on an extra board 2015-04-13T01:11:11 < scummos> this is just the mixer, intermediate frequency, and data acquisition part 2015-04-13T01:11:27 < BrainDamage> think of an RTL dongle, but a bit better 2015-04-13T01:11:33 < scummos> ... hopefully a bit better 2015-04-13T01:11:50 < qyx_> i was about to ask why so many components 2015-04-13T01:11:55 < scummos> but yes it sort of exactly works like this 2015-04-13T01:12:00 < qyx_> is that ad92831 or whatever s it? 2015-04-13T01:12:13 < scummos> AD9283, it's a 50 MSa/s 8 bit ADC 2015-04-13T01:12:19 < scummos> but I only use it at 12 2015-04-13T01:12:39 < BrainDamage> y u no external clock source 2015-04-13T01:12:47 < scummos> nah, TCXO is good enough 2015-04-13T01:13:06 < scummos> the signal I effectively want to see is ~100 kHz+ wide anyways 2015-04-13T01:13:12 < BrainDamage> but muh interferometry 2015-04-13T01:13:52 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@h88-150-252-200.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T01:13:52 < scummos> I think the clocks should be stable enough for that 2015-04-13T01:13:56 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-200.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T01:14:01 < scummos> if I correlate, say, 100ms pieces of data 2015-04-13T01:14:47 < scummos> BrainDamage: or do you think otherwise? I never tried 2015-04-13T01:14:58 < scummos> (but I plan to) 2015-04-13T01:15:23 < BrainDamage> what's the tcxo stability? 2015-04-13T01:15:29 < BrainDamage> allan deviation pls 2015-04-13T01:16:00 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T01:16:23 < scummos> data sheet says 2.5ppm over temperature, 0.3ppm over supply volatage 2015-04-13T01:16:32 < scummos> initial tolerance 1.5ppm 2015-04-13T01:17:17 < kakimir> hydrogen line receiver? 2015-04-13T01:17:24 < scummos> yes 2015-04-13T01:17:37 < kakimir> what does that mean? 2015-04-13T01:17:57 < BrainDamage> hyperfine transition levels of molecular hydrogen 2015-04-13T01:18:02 < BrainDamage> google that 2015-04-13T01:18:22 < scummos> yes, wikipedia probably explains it best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_line 2015-04-13T01:18:55 < BrainDamage> think of the hydrogen atom as some sort of equivalent of a quartz oscillator 2015-04-13T01:19:26 < scummos> this has a nice picture :D https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Hydrogen-SpinFlip.svg/374px-Hydrogen-SpinFlip.svg.png 2015-04-13T01:19:50 < BrainDamage> scummos: your clocks will be off by 12 samples, worst case scenario, at the end of your acquisition window 2015-04-13T01:20:27 < scummos> worst case scenario as in, the temperature changes by 80 degrees within 100ms? 2015-04-13T01:21:03 < BrainDamage> no, i assumed a 1°C variation, and twice the initial tollerance in opposite direction 2015-04-13T01:21:10 < kakimir> is it to be connected to those big ass antennas? 2015-04-13T01:21:26 < BrainDamage> you don't need a gigantic antenna to receive the hydrogen line 2015-04-13T01:21:34 < Steffanx> Does scummos share the schematics somewhere on the web? 2015-04-13T01:21:36 < BrainDamage> a c band dish should do ok 2015-04-13T01:21:43 < scummos> yes, I have 1.2m dish, that does okay 2015-04-13T01:21:47 < scummos> but the spatial resolution is not great 2015-04-13T01:21:54 < scummos> Steffanx: I will publish them but I first need to clean it up 2015-04-13T01:22:03 < BrainDamage> think of it as a 1-pixel camera 2015-04-13T01:23:10 < scummos> BrainDamage: I guess the initial tolerance can be calibrated away 2015-04-13T01:23:35 < scummos> by stretching the data a bit and searching for the best correlation 2015-04-13T01:23:44 < BrainDamage> yes, but then phase noise will make the oscillators wander 2015-04-13T01:24:11 < BrainDamage> so you either repeat the test regularry, eg with a switch at the rf input 2015-04-13T01:24:12 * Laurenceb_ was solving similar problems for tracking applications 2015-04-13T01:24:24 < Laurenceb_> used GPS and silabs clock gen ic 2015-04-13T01:24:28 < scummos> BrainDamage: I would do that test for each single set of data points I correlate 2015-04-13T01:24:33 < scummos> I mean I see whether they are correlated and by how much 2015-04-13T01:24:39 < Laurenceb_> with RTL dongle 2015-04-13T01:24:43 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 0.4.2"] 2015-04-13T01:24:50 < scummos> I can just move and stretch them until I find the best correlation 2015-04-13T01:25:48 < scummos> I think that's how it is done professionals as well, at least the moving 2015-04-13T01:25:52 < scummos> *by professionals 2015-04-13T01:25:54 < BrainDamage> alternatively you could FDM the antennas 2015-04-13T01:26:03 < BrainDamage> and a single receiver 2015-04-13T01:26:18 < BrainDamage> ( or even just switch fast enough ) 2015-04-13T01:26:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-74-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-13T01:26:34 < scummos> huh? you would need to switch really fast 2015-04-13T01:26:51 < scummos> faster than a coherence period of the radiation, which is like ... 100 MHz at least, no? 2015-04-13T01:27:29 < BrainDamage> didn't you say 100kHz bandwith 2015-04-13T01:28:07 < BrainDamage> which would make a 10MHz switch quite ok 2015-04-13T01:28:13 < scummos> hmm, yes, but the signal becomes decoherent after, I don't know, maybe 10 periods of the original signal I think 2015-04-13T01:28:21 < scummos> at least it's like that for thermal radiation and this is probably similar in that regard 2015-04-13T01:29:20 < scummos> if you could switch with 10 MHz, that would mean that after 0.1us the original signal is still correlated to what it was like before, and I don't believe that is the case 2015-04-13T01:32:02 < scummos> but I must admit that I am still, after all these years, quite confused about the coherence length of such a signal 2015-04-13T01:32:12 < scummos> I'm just not sure how it works 2015-04-13T01:32:43 < BrainDamage> btw, the professionals have gpsdos with stable oscillators so they actually are quite close to begin with :p 2015-04-13T01:32:48 < BrainDamage> and timestamp packets 2015-04-13T01:33:31 < BrainDamage> otherwise shit like very long baseline interferometry becomes an absurd task 2015-04-13T01:33:32 < scummos> but not accurate enough to phase-sync two 70 GHz signals across the globe 2015-04-13T01:33:54 < scummos> I think somebody told me they just correlate it, and look for the peak 2015-04-13T01:34:05 < BrainDamage> you still have to peak-correlate 2015-04-13T01:34:41 < BrainDamage> it just makes the task less daunting because the drift is tiny 2015-04-13T01:34:55 < scummos> yes, and I presume in my case it will be similar 2015-04-13T01:35:24 < scummos> there will be a constant offset between the oscillators and a constant frequency difference but both will not change substantially across the acquisition period 2015-04-13T01:35:41 < scummos> or so I imagined this to work ;p 2015-04-13T01:37:54 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4UsqLGXdE0 2015-04-13T01:42:18 < scummos> BrainDamage: in any case, spatial resolution will probably not be terribly good with amateur equipment :( 2015-04-13T01:44:15 < scummos> maybe I can persuade somebody at Effelsberg to let me use that one for a moment *grin* 2015-04-13T01:44:17 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T01:44:22 * Laurenceb_ is trying to do ~400km baseline with two 434mhz stations 2015-04-13T01:44:36 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T01:44:40 < Laurenceb_> for rocket tracking 2015-04-13T01:44:44 < BrainDamage> for your space dildo tracking? 2015-04-13T01:44:45 < BrainDamage> ah 2015-04-13T01:44:46 < scummos> ooh cool 2015-04-13T01:44:47 < Laurenceb_> yup lol 2015-04-13T01:45:04 < scummos> and does it work yet? 2015-04-13T01:45:14 < scummos> how do you sync the oscillators, GPS? 2015-04-13T01:45:45 < BrainDamage> you can literally sync on place and then move 2015-04-13T01:45:54 < BrainDamage> tracking the movement by keeping the gps on 2015-04-13T01:47:43 < scummos> it's definitely a fascinating topic and I'd be very happy if I would get it to work at some point 2015-04-13T01:47:44 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-13T01:48:04 < Laurenceb_> yes 2015-04-13T01:48:18 < scummos> just seeing a few fringes would be enough already ;) 2015-04-13T01:48:25 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/C2TdSn8.jpg 2015-04-13T01:48:40 < scummos> pretty 2015-04-13T01:48:50 < scummos> with "LOL" imprint *g 2015-04-13T01:49:17 < scummos> huh, are the SMA connectors not soldered on? 2015-04-13T01:49:22 < scummos> er, BNC 2015-04-13T01:49:56 < BrainDamage> gold plated for better soundstage resolution 2015-04-13T01:50:35 < BrainDamage> or skin effect, either works 2015-04-13T01:51:04 < Laurenceb_> heh 2015-04-13T01:51:23 < scummos> gold plated for the looks 2015-04-13T01:51:27 < scummos> gold on black just looks great ;) 2015-04-13T01:51:45 < scummos> what does this board do? 2015-04-13T01:52:04 < Laurenceb_> input is from ublox GPS, output goes to a SDR 2015-04-13T01:53:35 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_%28satellite%29 2015-04-13T01:53:42 < Laurenceb_> its running this in reverse 2015-04-13T01:53:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-13T01:55:30 < scummos> okay 2015-04-13T01:58:56 < Laurenceb_> _slightly_ easier than running custom GPS on a rocket 2015-04-13T01:59:33 < Laurenceb_> this is actually decent http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM2098/SC963/SS1534/LN1829/PF248307 2015-04-13T01:59:50 < Laurenceb_> ChibiOS support 2015-04-13T01:59:53 < scummos> do you use that? 2015-04-13T01:59:56 < scummos> for your rocket 2015-04-13T02:00:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what is that? 2015-04-13T02:00:39 < Laurenceb_> scummos: I use matlab :D 2015-04-13T02:00:45 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: whats what? 2015-04-13T02:01:31 < kakimir> in imgur jpg 2015-04-13T02:01:49 < Laurenceb_> silabs reclocking board 2015-04-13T02:03:11 < Laurenceb_> not the most amazing functionality :P 2015-04-13T02:03:36 < BrainDamage> what's the chip? 2015-04-13T02:05:53 < kakimir> not too dense board 2015-04-13T02:06:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.silabs.com/products/clocksoscillators/clock-buffer/Pages/zero-delay-buffers.aspx 2015-04-13T02:06:21 < scummos> I still wonder about the connectors, are they not soldered on? 2015-04-13T02:07:17 < kakimir> does that power itself from dc component? 2015-04-13T02:08:42 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: it can do 2015-04-13T02:09:06 < Laurenceb_> scummos: not when photo was taken 2015-04-13T02:09:07 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp137.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-13T02:09:10 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2015-04-13T02:09:47 < scummos> ah ;) 2015-04-13T02:09:50 < scummos> bye 2015-04-13T02:12:34 < dongs> sup pros 2015-04-13T02:13:51 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-13T02:21:36 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-252-200.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-13T02:36:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuynizztmuuiitml] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-13T02:51:06 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T02:52:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T02:54:13 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-13T02:54:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-13T03:03:04 < dongs> pro chats 2015-04-13T03:03:06 < dongs> dicknplace time 2015-04-13T03:04:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T03:04:37 < kakimir> what is your favorites foods dongs? 2015-04-13T03:09:40 < kakimir> god.. 2015-04-13T03:10:04 < kakimir> my favorite kebab is iskender 2015-04-13T03:19:48 < kakimir> fat person inside me screams 2015-04-13T03:20:10 < kakimir> when I look at photos of kebab dishes 2015-04-13T03:43:51 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-13T03:56:15 < dongs> ur a kebab dish 2015-04-13T04:08:20 < Getty> here in germany kebab is so big, they replace mcdonalds and subways ;) 2015-04-13T04:09:23 < Getty> even more pervert they sell chicken kebab now ;) 2015-04-13T04:09:32 < Getty> (and i LOVE chicken kebab, its just awesome!) 2015-04-13T04:11:42 < karlp> scummos: what's the second jtag header on your board for? 2015-04-13T04:16:12 < upgrdman> isnt a kabob just any food jammed on a stick and cooked over flame? 2015-04-13T04:17:58 < Getty> these days, yes 2015-04-13T04:18:18 < Getty> the biggest perversion is the steak kebab in US.... that is just perversion of both things 2015-04-13T04:19:40 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-13T04:22:04 < karlp> fear that which you don't understand.... 2015-04-13T04:33:00 < kakimir> swedes aparently like pizzas having banana in it 2015-04-13T04:33:38 < kakimir> or maybe it was just pizza in the zoo 2015-04-13T04:37:21 < kakimir> if you are american you can put nutella in it 2015-04-13T04:42:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T04:44:08 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-veubjubiplvgpzjt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T04:55:12 -!- DanteA [~X@host-95-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T04:55:29 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T04:55:47 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-13T04:56:16 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T04:56:31 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-121-224.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-13T05:10:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-13T05:12:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T05:26:30 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-13T05:43:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T05:44:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-13T05:45:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T05:54:20 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T06:09:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dDBGBr0.jpg 2015-04-13T06:12:05 < upgrdman> fucked up the solder mask, but here's my latest innovation: http://farrellf.com/temp/bldc_controller.jpg 2015-04-13T06:12:46 < emeb> impressive. whazzat? 2015-04-13T06:13:15 < upgrdman> my super amature attempt at a brushless, sensorless dc motor controller. 2015-04-13T06:13:28 < GargantuaSauce> nice smd fet 2015-04-13T06:13:28 < GargantuaSauce> s 2015-04-13T06:13:33 < upgrdman> ya :) 2015-04-13T06:13:41 < upgrdman> to220 is SMD if you try hard enough 2015-04-13T06:13:46 < emeb> those brass pipes are connectors? 2015-04-13T06:13:58 < dongs> yas thats RC connectors 2015-04-13T06:14:07 < dongs> fits like 4mm banana plugs i think 2015-04-13T06:14:20 < GargantuaSauce> they look kinda flimsy 2015-04-13T06:14:26 < upgrdman> ya, 4mm 2015-04-13T06:14:32 < GargantuaSauce> like the copper will delaminate if you knock them 2015-04-13T06:14:35 < upgrdman> ya, this pcb is just a proof-of-concept 2015-04-13T06:14:41 < GargantuaSauce> cool 2015-04-13T06:14:50 < upgrdman> hence 1-layer, made at home, etc. 2015-04-13T06:15:03 < upgrdman> im editing the video of me making it too. 2015-04-13T06:15:12 < upgrdman> should be on youtube tonight or tomorrow 2015-04-13T06:15:21 < GargantuaSauce> done the software yet? 2015-04-13T06:15:52 < dongs> is that F030 2015-04-13T06:16:01 < upgrdman> got the firmware like 20% done. 2015-04-13T06:16:11 < upgrdman> dongs, yes. the futureelec ones 2015-04-13T06:16:25 < upgrdman> http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/semiconductors/microcontrollers/32-bit/Pages/3038310-STM32F030F4P6.aspx?IM=0 2015-04-13T06:16:28 < dongs> righjt 2015-04-13T06:16:37 < dongs> does that have motor control junks 2015-04-13T06:16:39 < upgrdman> i have a straw of them, do using them everywhere 2015-04-13T06:16:42 < upgrdman> err tube 2015-04-13T06:16:59 < upgrdman> it has a 4ch timer 2015-04-13T06:17:13 < upgrdman> i dont thing it has all the pins for proper use tho 2015-04-13T06:17:32 < upgrdman> e.g. not sure about the TIM_BKIN, _N pins, etc 2015-04-13T06:17:36 < upgrdman> but i dont care 2015-04-13T06:17:49 < dongs> meh 2015-04-13T06:18:21 < upgrdman> i really just want to see if i can make it work. i have no need for this now, but i see future robots benefits from these baby steps 2015-04-13T06:18:31 < upgrdman> benefitting 2015-04-13T06:21:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-13T06:21:10 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T06:26:04 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.162.71.222] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T06:26:12 < hesperaux> hi guise ;D 2015-04-13T06:26:12 < hesperaux> I would like to know if anyone has a great schematic of minimum connections for an STM32F* for debugging? 2015-04-13T06:26:47 < hesperaux> otherwise i'm gonna copypasta from the Discovery board datasheets. But I would love to avoid the extra work of removing what is not needed from the discovery schematic 2015-04-13T06:27:12 < upgrdman> to debug you need swd-clock, swd-data and ground 2015-04-13T06:27:22 < upgrdman> it's also nice to have reset and 3V3 2015-04-13T06:27:35 < hesperaux> and then what, 100nF caps on every VDD? 2015-04-13T06:27:55 < upgrdman> yes 2015-04-13T06:28:00 < hesperaux> btw this is for making a PCB layout that utilizes an STM32 2015-04-13T06:28:03 < upgrdman> and a regulator, bulk caps, etc. 2015-04-13T06:28:11 < hesperaux> obviously lots of stuff will be connected other than the minimums 2015-04-13T06:29:06 < hesperaux> upgrdman, ;D You help me so I give you this smiley 2015-04-13T06:29:18 < upgrdman> :) 2015-04-13T06:29:27 < dongs> um 2015-04-13T06:29:31 < dongs> all you need is 2015-04-13T06:29:38 < dongs> stm + bypass cap on every vcc/gnd pair 2015-04-13T06:29:47 < dongs> boot1/boot0 resistors 2015-04-13T06:29:58 < dongs> swdio, swdclk, nreset + resistor 2015-04-13T06:30:05 < dongs> thats all. 2015-04-13T06:30:17 < dongs> and crystal + crystal caps if you are using external one. 2015-04-13T06:30:22 < hesperaux> ah, boot0. forgot about that 2015-04-13T06:30:30 < hesperaux> do I need tantalum caps on something too? 2015-04-13T06:30:34 < dongs> no. 2015-04-13T06:30:36 < dongs> 0.1uf shit. 2015-04-13T06:30:50 < dongs> if its F4 2015-04-13T06:30:55 < dongs> there's some VCAP stuff also 2015-04-13T06:30:58 < dongs> keep a note of that. 2015-04-13T06:31:00 < dongs> 2.2uF 2015-04-13T06:31:08 < dongs> for F1, not needed. 2015-04-13T06:31:23 < hesperaux> oh that's for F4? 2015-04-13T06:31:26 < upgrdman> what's vcap for? internal LDO? 2015-04-13T06:31:31 < hesperaux> what about F3? that's a M4 2015-04-13T06:31:41 < hesperaux> I'm using an STM32F303VCT6 2015-04-13T06:31:53 < dongs> f3 doesnt need it afaik 2015-04-13T06:31:57 < dongs> not 48pin version i used. 2015-04-13T06:32:18 < hesperaux> ok 2015-04-13T06:32:25 < hesperaux> do they detail this sufficiently in the datasheet? 2015-04-13T06:32:47 < dongs> there's an appnote 2015-04-13T06:32:56 < dongs> checklist for connecting 2015-04-13T06:33:09 < hesperaux> sweet, I"ll have to scour the ST site until I find it xD 2015-04-13T06:33:15 < hesperaux> they have such good organization on there 2015-04-13T06:33:32 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00164185.pdf 2015-04-13T06:33:36 < dongs> there should be a similar one for F3 2015-04-13T06:33:41 < dongs> or else, 99% would apply to F3 anyway 2015-04-13T06:33:43 < hesperaux> dongs, you are an excellent dongs 2015-04-13T06:34:03 < upgrdman> 100% pure dongs. organic, free-range. 2015-04-13T06:34:06 < hesperaux> lol 2015-04-13T06:34:16 * hesperaux actually lold 2015-04-13T06:37:18 < hesperaux> the title of the doc helped: http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00070391.pdf?s_searchtype=keyword 2015-04-13T06:37:36 < dongs> cool 2015-04-13T06:37:42 < dongs> yeahj i didnt remember it either 2015-04-13T06:37:50 < dongs> so i just rsearched for keywords I remembered from teh doc. 2015-04-13T06:37:55 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-13T06:38:29 < dongs> iuf yo dont use analog stuffs you can get away from not decoupling it too much 2015-04-13T06:38:42 < dongs> the 4.7uF on vdd/vss is also optional 2015-04-13T06:40:30 < hesperaux> not sure yet if I"ll want to use analog so I'll probably throw that in 2015-04-13T06:41:23 < GargantuaSauce> seems to me the clock generation is off the vdda rail too so bear that in mind 2015-04-13T06:44:39 < hesperaux> ok I will do so 2015-04-13T06:57:01 < hesperaux> how've you guys been? 2015-04-13T06:57:05 < hesperaux> long time no see 2015-04-13T06:59:44 < PeterM> upgrdman, check out lm5109 instead of ir2301 if you're not driving mains hbridge 2015-04-13T07:02:39 < PeterM> iirc ti part is good to 100v~ vs 600 of ir but 3x drive capability of the ir part and cheaper too - pin compatible iirc too 2015-04-13T07:11:27 < dongs> i rememvber me and simon had some problems with that LM part 2015-04-13T07:11:30 < dongs> i forgot what it was 2015-04-13T07:11:44 < dongs> Simon--: ping 2015-04-13T07:18:12 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.162.71.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-13T07:20:49 < upgrdman> PeterM, thanks. bookmarked the ti datasheet. 2015-04-13T07:42:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@93-81-26-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T07:42:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@93-81-26-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-13T07:42:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@93-81-26-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T07:43:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@93-81-26-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-13T07:44:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.252] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T07:46:15 < dongs> R2COM: aware, so im asking specific question 2015-04-13T07:46:34 < dongs> they don'd do "many drills in sequence" slots. 2015-04-13T07:46:38 < dongs> no mention of G85 slot. 2015-04-13T07:52:59 < dongs> time to post on TI forums 2015-04-13T07:53:08 < dongs> jew2jew community 2015-04-13T07:54:52 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T07:56:36 < upgrdman> g85 slot? 2015-04-13T07:59:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T08:02:06 < dongs> and why the fuck does my.TI comes up in jap 2015-04-13T08:02:09 < dongs> fucking uselesss garbage 2015-04-13T08:02:15 < dongs> half the text on the page isnt visible in jap mdoe 2015-04-13T08:02:17 < dongs> because they cant HTML 2015-04-13T08:02:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:02:28 < dongs> if youre going to localize shit at least fucking make sure its readable 2015-04-13T08:03:18 < dongs> haha countrY: JAPAN (JAPANESE) 2015-04-13T08:03:22 < dongs> as in , the language 2015-04-13T08:08:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-13T08:10:56 -!- Mjam [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:11:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.252] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:12:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-95-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-13T08:15:53 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in] 2015-04-13T08:16:19 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:21:45 -!- Mjam [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-13T08:22:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:22:14 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2015-04-13T08:35:09 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-13T08:35:58 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2015-04-13T08:40:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-13T08:41:13 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:45:38 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-13T08:45:57 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T08:48:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T08:48:57 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T09:23:21 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T09:29:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T09:30:08 < dongs> not much innovation chat 2015-04-13T09:30:11 < dongs> whats happening 2015-04-13T09:30:24 < jpa-> waiting for todays zano news 2015-04-13T09:31:22 < dongs> lets see 2015-04-13T09:31:28 < dongs> o jpa 2015-04-13T09:31:34 < dongs> i ordered a 1024x epaper thingy 2015-04-13T09:31:41 < dongs> i will surely be bugging you about it later. 2015-04-13T09:31:55 < dongs> Martin Roberts about 18 hours ago 2015-04-13T09:31:55 < dongs> We were meant to get an update but I assume very busy with tooling and development. Really looking forward to next update. 2015-04-13T09:32:09 < dongs> i think he misspelled "trolling" 2015-04-13T09:32:12 < dongs> when he said "tooling" 2015-04-13T09:32:28 < jpa-> dongs: nice, you're going to drive it with stm32? 2015-04-13T09:32:49 < dongs> yep 2015-04-13T09:32:53 < PeterM> gonds, if you're that curious about the slots from oshpark just send a tiny board wiith just the slot, it will be like $5 or some shit - will probably be quicker than asking in irc 2015-04-13T09:33:02 < jpa-> dongs: get some saner smps chip than the one i used 2015-04-13T09:33:03 < dongs> PeterM: lol, no shit 2015-04-13T09:33:18 < jpa-> dongs: i mentioned some MAX.... chip in the comments IIRC, wouldn't waste as much power 2015-04-13T09:33:30 < dongs> jpa-: yeah, i peeked around briefly, max had some epaper-specific all in one thing 2015-04-13T09:33:37 < jpa-> yeah 2015-04-13T09:33:41 < dongs> assuming i can actaulyl buy it and its not retardedly expensive 2015-04-13T09:34:30 < dongs> i'll get to that when i actually get the stuff and have some time to dick with it 2015-04-13T09:34:43 < dongs> i think your screen was 800x600, i gues the only driving difference would be clocking out more shit 2015-04-13T09:34:53 < dongs> with the extra CS lines 2015-04-13T09:34:54 < dongs> or wahtever 2015-04-13T09:35:07 < jpa-> yeah, the CS/GMODE lines can be in some other way 2015-04-13T09:35:15 < dongs> its same series 2015-04-13T09:35:20 < dongs> just 'X' insead of S 2015-04-13T09:35:27 < dongs> ED060XC3 2015-04-13T09:35:39 < dongs> grabbed datasheet from panelook.lol 2015-04-13T09:36:18 < jpa-> yeah, but it'll probably have move gate/source driver chips; may need some trial & error for the gmode/cs lines if it doesn't work right away 2015-04-13T09:36:29 < dongs> right 2015-04-13T09:36:43 < dongs> how does grayscale work on tehse? 2015-04-13T09:36:54 < dongs> this shit is like 16grayscale 2015-04-13T09:36:58 < dongs> do you just clock out 4 bits per pixel? 2015-04-13T09:38:35 < jpa-> nope 2015-04-13T09:38:42 < jpa-> you have to do funny stuff with the timing 2015-04-13T09:38:49 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-13T09:38:58 < jpa-> sprite_tm said it wasn't particularly hard, but i haven't tried myself 2015-04-13T09:40:06 < dongs> ya i saw grayscale stuff in his blogue 2015-04-13T09:40:33 < jpa-> the timing necessary for grayscale is somewhat temperature dependent also 2015-04-13T09:40:59 < dongs> lol wtf 2015-04-13T09:41:03 < jpa-> eink gives to real buyers these huge 64kB "waveform files" that have some lookup table 2015-04-13T09:41:09 < dongs> oh 2015-04-13T09:41:12 < dongs> datasheet mentioned that 2015-04-13T09:41:16 < dongs> there's addresses in eeprom 2015-04-13T09:41:19 < dongs> for wavefgorm stuff 2015-04-13T09:41:25 < dongs> you can read it out via spi i guess 2015-04-13T09:41:26 < jpa-> it has eeprom on panel? 2015-04-13T09:41:29 < dongs> yes 2015-04-13T09:41:41 < jpa-> yeah; no-one knows the format though 2015-04-13T09:41:57 < dongs> heh 2015-04-13T09:42:22 < dongs> the display is 2015-04-13T09:42:22 < dongs> capable to display images at 2-16 gray levels (1-4 bits) depending on the display controller and the 2015-04-13T09:42:25 < dongs> associated waveform file it used. 2015-04-13T09:44:31 < jpa-> 256 grayscale would be totally feasible also, though the difference probably isn't very visible 2015-04-13T09:46:07 < jpa-> basically two ways to do it: 1) 4 cycles per each row, each 1/2 of the time of the previous one 2) 16 cycles per each row, each the same time i think 2) is less sensitive to temperature etc. 2015-04-13T09:46:12 < jpa-> 1) is faster though 2015-04-13T09:49:33 < dongs> kk, will deal wiht this when it gets here and shit is made 2015-04-13T09:54:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-13T09:55:16 < dongs> also they used less insane connector on this one 2015-04-13T09:55:21 < dongs> single row stuff 2015-04-13T10:06:16 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-13T10:06:57 < dongs> heh the dude who was considering using whatever TI processor is in beagleboner comes to work today and his beagleboner is frozen up 2015-04-13T10:07:02 < dongs> shit was just running over weekend 2015-04-13T10:07:08 < dongs> im not sure hes gonna wanna use it now 2015-04-13T10:07:22 < dongs> doing nothing, just idling at assdroid front screen 2015-04-13T10:08:40 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/198 holy fuck 2015-04-13T10:09:45 < PeterM> bongs, maybe you should put more shit like that on your stre, and use your tarduino domain for your store instead 2015-04-13T10:10:14 < dongs> ya, but http://www.ebay.com/itm/400565980256 2015-04-13T10:10:21 < upgrdman> dat price. and who the fuck still uses macro usb connectors other than printer makers 2015-04-13T10:11:03 < PeterM> dunno, people who buy from sparkfuck 2015-04-13T10:11:18 < upgrdman> *dickfun 2015-04-13T10:12:37 < PeterM> you could make what, 100 breakout boards for the cp2102 for $200, you'd only need to sell 10 to break even, fuckin give the rest away with your naze boards who knows 2015-04-13T10:16:10 < dongs> sparkfun still has MPU6050 breakout for $29.95 2015-04-13T10:16:20 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11028 2015-04-13T10:16:20 < dongs> wait no 2015-04-13T10:16:21 < dongs> 39.95 2015-04-13T10:16:23 < dongs> lol 2015-04-13T10:19:59 < PeterM> step 1) buy sparkfuck.com domain 2015-04-13T10:19:59 < PeterM> step 1) buy sparkfuck.com domain 2015-04-13T10:19:59 < PeterM> step 2) clone website but with new sparkfuck penis logo 2015-04-13T10:19:59 < PeterM> step 3) sell same stuff 2015-04-13T10:19:59 < PeterM> step 4) profit 2015-04-13T10:20:55 < dongs> 5) get DMCA from sparkfun :( 2015-04-13T10:21:07 < dongs> https://twitter.com/PongoChina 2015-04-13T10:21:10 < dongs> not sure what this guys are doing 2015-04-13T10:21:13 < dongs> but i wanna follow them 2015-04-13T10:21:58 < dongs> https://twitter.com/PongoChina/status/533412548779864064 also wat 2015-04-13T10:22:22 < akaWolf> dongs: I guess, only if you are a resident of USA 2015-04-13T10:24:42 < dongs> http://d1.ourdev.cn/bbs_upload782111/files_38/ourdev_629787L1X14V.pdf 2015-04-13T10:24:43 < dongs> haha 2015-04-13T10:26:45 < PeterM> dongs 6) tell them to sparkfuckoff 2015-04-13T10:33:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-13T10:35:17 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T10:39:16 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T10:47:16 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T10:50:59 < dongs> Is there some way to have the Zano perform a follow-me tether with a device other than a smart phone? For instance - a RFID tag that could be attached to my dog's collar, so that the Zano will follow her around the yard keeping the camera keyed in on the tag. I am sure that there might be a way to create a powered RFID type tag sized item that could be then attached to an individual or to a animal. 2015-04-13T10:51:07 < dongs> Laurenceb_: lol, beagleboner at work froze over weekend 2015-04-13T10:51:11 < dongs> just idling @ assdroid main screen 2015-04-13T10:51:28 < dongs> guy not so excited to use it 2015-04-13T10:52:02 < Laurenceb_> no suprise 2015-04-13T10:52:44 < dongs> we'll probly take something from amlogic 2015-04-13T10:54:05 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T10:55:49 < dongs> PeterM: btw, 4L testboard wonuldn't be $5 2015-04-13T10:55:55 < dongs> @ oshfuck 2015-04-13T10:59:23 -!- jubatus [~mirc@unaffiliated/jubatus] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T11:03:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-13T11:13:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T11:22:41 -!- alan5 [~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/alan5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-13T11:23:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-13T11:30:10 < jubatus> does this thing work ? 2015-04-13T11:32:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T11:36:22 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T11:36:41 * jubatus taps the microphone 2015-04-13T11:37:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-13T11:48:35 < scummos> karlp: the one labeled JTAG is for JTAG 2015-04-13T11:49:04 < scummos> the other one has UART, reset and the ISP pin to flash the part via UART 2015-04-13T11:49:56 -!- jubatus [~mirc@unaffiliated/jubatus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-13T12:09:12 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMB-1] 2015-04-13T12:09:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T12:21:52 < dongs> hey wut 2015-04-13T12:21:56 < dongs> trhres some innovation in jewpad panels 2015-04-13T12:22:08 < dongs> ipad air 5 has 9.7" panel with way better brightness/contrast rating 2015-04-13T12:22:21 < dongs> LP097QX2-SPAV 2015-04-13T12:22:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-13T12:35:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-13T12:36:03 < ReadError> dongs is AD 15.1 amazeballs? 2015-04-13T12:51:23 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T12:52:03 < dongs> oh i duno is it out yet 2015-04-13T12:52:08 < dongs> time to upgrade 2015-04-13T12:52:27 < dongs> wut 2015-04-13T12:52:30 < dongs> where is this 15.1 shit 2015-04-13T12:53:10 < dongs> Altium Designer 15.1 will introduce several new features for improved design productivity, documentation outputs, and high-speed design efficiency. 2015-04-13T12:53:13 < dongs> oh my 2015-04-13T12:54:27 < dongs> The introduction of 3D PDF output documentation in Altium Designer 15.1 makes it easy for anyone on the team, designer or not, to view a PCB design in 3D from any compatible PDF viewer. 2015-04-13T12:54:29 < karlp> scummos: so you're not actually using jtag on this at all then? just the uart flashing? is that because tool support for the 4300 isn't good enough or what's the motivation for that path? 2015-04-13T12:54:32 < dongs> fuck yeah 2015-04-13T12:54:58 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/11-6-Inch-Cube-I7-Windows-8-1-Tablet-PC-Intel-Core-M-4GB-RAM-128GB/32278924703.html 2015-04-13T12:55:01 < karlp> kakimir: you can get pizza with nuttella in italy too 2015-04-13T12:55:02 < ReadError> lol surface clone?? 2015-04-13T12:55:17 < dongs> > ubunto 2015-04-13T12:55:18 < dongs> rofl 2015-04-13T12:55:26 < scummos> karlp: I just didn't solder the JTAG header on yet, and the ISP interface is ... simpler, so I use that first 2015-04-13T12:55:53 < scummos> now that I've seen everything works with the ISP, I will start using JTAG more 2015-04-13T12:57:07 < dongs> ReadError: i dont think its out yet 2015-04-13T12:57:11 < dongs> i dont seee release notes 2015-04-13T12:57:13 < dongs> on the site 2015-04-13T12:57:24 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer+15 2015-04-13T12:57:25 < dongs> it would be here 2015-04-13T12:57:27 < dongs> if it was out 2015-04-13T12:58:23 < ReadError> oh ya maybe its not out 2015-04-13T12:58:31 < ReadError> explains why i couldnt find a bootleg 2015-04-13T13:01:59 < dongs> you filthy pirate 2015-04-13T13:02:15 < dongs> btw there's zero shit in 15.1 that would be useful for you 2015-04-13T13:02:23 < dongs> my cloner pal still uses winter 2010 2015-04-13T13:02:26 < ReadError> when you buy a kilo of blow, dont you want to sample the goods before you purchase?? 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2015-04-13T14:03:03 < dongs> i think those are some medical penis straps 2015-04-13T14:03:06 < dongs> Laurenceb is into that shit 2015-04-13T14:03:36 < Laurenceb> why the animals 2015-04-13T14:04:47 < Laurenceb> stencil overkill 2015-04-13T14:04:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/17131430012/lightbox/ 2015-04-13T14:04:54 < dongs> > lightbox 2015-04-13T14:05:15 < dongs> chinapcb stencil found 2015-04-13T14:05:37 < Laurenceb> costs $23 apparently 2015-04-13T14:06:04 < dongs> sounds about right 2015-04-13T14:14:49 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T14:19:38 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T14:43:50 < PeterM> Laurenceb, dats why you get a stencil for your panelized boards 2015-04-13T14:44:45 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-veubjubiplvgpzjt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-13T15:12:40 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-13T15:19:28 < Laurenceb> british airways now has free candy 2015-04-13T15:19:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.davewheelerphotography.com/galleries/Aviation/photos/DSCN1702.jpg 2015-04-13T15:20:28 < akaWolf> oh! 2015-04-13T15:20:34 * akaWolf buying a tickets 2015-04-13T15:22:37 < Laurenceb> dateline: to catch a pilot 2015-04-13T15:22:41 < dongs> i dont get it 2015-04-13T15:22:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T15:23:40 < Laurenceb> he looks more than a bit peado 2015-04-13T15:23:56 < Laurenceb> oh shit i was right 2015-04-13T15:23:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.davewheelerphotography.com/galleries/Aviation/photos/IMGP5792a.jpg 2015-04-13T15:24:51 < Steffanx> because when you give someone candy you are pedo.. -_- 2015-04-13T15:48:42 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T15:49:32 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2015-04-13T15:55:23 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T16:30:41 < malinus> Those airplanes 2015-04-13T16:30:52 < malinus> Must be some very short flights with like 10 people 2015-04-13T16:37:51 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@178.62.117.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-13T16:39:27 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T16:41:20 < _Sync_> malinus: island hopping 2015-04-13T16:45:35 < malinus> Is that what young people do? 2015-04-13T16:52:08 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.29.38] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T16:52:51 < Steffanx> No young people clan hop in mobile games. 2015-04-13T16:53:00 < Steffanx> *mobile phone games 2015-04-13T16:53:57 < malinus> Do people actually play mobile phone games? I thought that fad was over 2015-04-13T16:55:46 < Steffanx> young people.. 2015-04-13T16:57:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-13T16:58:54 < reportingsjr> Steffanx: old people too 2015-04-13T17:03:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T17:10:51 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-13T17:13:18 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T17:14:39 < dongs> lol fucking altium single-threaded garbage 2015-04-13T17:14:50 < dongs> trying to drag a silk overlay and its "pegging" cpu at 15% 2015-04-13T17:15:36 < dongs> haha 2015-04-13T17:15:37 < dongs> found why it was slow 2015-04-13T17:15:41 < dongs> "PCB List" was open 2015-04-13T17:15:48 < dongs> (not shown, just open) 2015-04-13T17:30:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-13T17:31:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T17:32:16 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojktoioclhoznmuc] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T17:33:05 < dongs> Shop now! The NEW TI Store is open for business 2015-04-13T17:42:02 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-13T17:46:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.183] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T17:46:23 < dongs> Our latest HyperFET Gen2 technology has pushed the envelope of what's possible today. Nothing in its class, or size, can deliver up to 3 Amps of power. The PRO has been future proofed to meet the ever increasing power demand of smartphones today and tomorrow. 2015-04-13T17:48:33 < dongs> attn jpa-, missed dickstarter opportunity https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1372954669/e-paper-display-hat-for-the-raspberry-pi?ref=category 2015-04-13T17:55:06 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1473132493/apple-watch-charging-station?ref=category 2015-04-13T17:58:29 < zyp> hat? 2015-04-13T17:58:41 < zyp> «fuck shields, let's call it hats» 2015-04-13T17:58:43 < dongs> hat is the name for approved assberypi accesories 2015-04-13T17:58:44 < dongs> yes 2015-04-13T17:59:02 < zyp> not like beaglebone and their capes are any better :p 2015-04-13T18:00:03 < BrainDamage> are dongs' extension boards called condoms? 2015-04-13T18:00:14 < Steffanx> viagra.. 2015-04-13T18:01:49 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/land-boards/ultimate-i-o-hat-for-the-raspberry-pi?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:02:57 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/infinitbyte/infinitbyte-fastest-highest-capacity-flash-drive-a?ref=category nobody is buying these, wat a surprise 2015-04-13T18:03:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-13T18:08:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8bf270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:12:37 < kakimir> what is it 2015-04-13T18:12:51 < dongs> USB3 uSD card reader. 2015-04-13T18:12:53 < dongs> maybe dual cards. 2015-04-13T18:13:04 < kakimir> is it good? 2015-04-13T18:13:59 < dongs> its absoolutely amazing 2015-04-13T18:14:51 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1772533341/apple-watch-friend-finder?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:15:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-13T18:15:32 < PeterM> $60 for a usb microsd card reader 2015-04-13T18:15:36 < PeterM> the fuck 2015-04-13T18:16:25 < kakimir> how does it hold water when there is a hole 2015-04-13T18:16:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:17:10 < dongs> found upgrdman's dickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/352894282/dual-motor-controller-arduino-compatible?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:17:25 < kakimir> sandisk imagemate all-in-one was the shit few years back 2015-04-13T18:18:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-13T18:22:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-13T18:22:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1783883860/unitfi-development?ref=category not a single backer yet 2015-04-13T18:22:34 < dongs> i pasted this a week ago 2015-04-13T18:22:34 < dongs> poor guy 2015-04-13T18:22:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:23:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-13T18:23:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-6-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:24:01 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/298672499/the-mb87x-let-there-be-light?ref=category wuyt 2015-04-13T18:25:29 < kakimir> can you stop promoting crap? 2015-04-13T18:26:16 < dongs> can you create a non-crap dickstarter 2015-04-13T18:27:13 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1072252336/indechat?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:27:44 -!- DanteA [~X@host-6-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-13T18:28:02 < ReadError> dongs https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2040441468/phenox-2-a-programmable-drone-and-platform?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:28:09 < dongs> saw 2015-04-13T18:28:10 < dongs> didnt click 2015-04-13T18:28:12 < dongs> looked dumb 2015-04-13T18:28:23 < dongs> lol zync 2015-04-13T18:28:24 < dongs> fuck off 2015-04-13T18:28:25 < dongs> closing page 2015-04-13T18:28:40 < kakimir> let dickstarter destroy itself 2015-04-13T18:29:07 < dongs> oh, japs 2015-04-13T18:30:13 < dongs> ReadError: hey look its a working zano 2015-04-13T18:30:18 < dongs> with actual object tracking 2015-04-13T18:30:19 < dongs> lol 2015-04-13T18:30:24 < kakimir> I need something that converts voltage difference of 2 inputs into 0 ground referenced output. what is it called? 2015-04-13T18:30:31 < kakimir> *1 2015-04-13T18:30:46 < BrainDamage> differential amplifier 2015-04-13T18:30:54 < Steffanx> why this zync phobia dongs? 2015-04-13T18:31:31 < dongs> wait 2015-04-13T18:31:34 < dongs> brushless motors? 2015-04-13T18:31:38 < dongs> Steffanx: cuz filthy lunix 2015-04-13T18:31:40 < dongs> + xilinx tools 2015-04-13T18:31:47 < dongs> its like crap + crap 2015-04-13T18:32:44 < Steffanx> but its a project by jappies, so must be good right? 2015-04-13T18:32:55 < dongs> wwwwwwwno 2015-04-13T18:33:03 < Steffanx> "Super Creator Certification" included 2015-04-13T18:33:29 -!- DanteA [~X@host-6-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:36:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:37:53 < ReadError> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/658903329/perf-the-perfboard-reinvented?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:37:54 < ReadError> hahah 2015-04-13T18:38:00 < kakimir> BrainDamage: how about when inputs may go bellow gnd level and I need output to be in 0 - +supply range? 2015-04-13T18:38:25 < gxti> then give it a negative supply. 2015-04-13T18:38:57 < kakimir> damn. 2015-04-13T18:39:39 -!- DanteA [~X@host-6-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-13T18:39:59 < BrainDamage> that's only a shift, sum up x v and you'll be set 2015-04-13T18:40:03 < ReadError> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2106137791/autonomous-robot?ref=category 2015-04-13T18:40:06 < ReadError> this has to be a joke.. 2015-04-13T18:40:22 < dongs> tom66-class project 2015-04-13T18:43:19 < dongs> ReadError: better not tell zano dudes about this phenox shit 2015-04-13T18:43:52 < dongs> I can't spot any LM1117 on their board :( 2015-04-13T18:43:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T18:44:36 < dongs> bedtime 2015-04-13T18:45:29 < zyp> heh, usb wifi 2015-04-13T18:45:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:45:55 -!- DanteA [~X@host-79-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:45:57 -!- zaytsev_k [~konstanti@93-81-158-220.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T18:50:28 < Laurenceb> thanks for cheering me up 2015-04-13T18:50:37 < Laurenceb> i know at least ill never fail that hard 2015-04-13T18:50:43 < Laurenceb> no matter how much i fail 2015-04-13T18:51:40 < Getty> ReadError: this is like a truly honest kickstarter 2015-04-13T19:08:23 < PeterM> zyp dont need to certify if you use usbwifi 2015-04-13T19:08:38 < zyp> true 2015-04-13T19:08:40 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-13T19:10:25 < kakimir> anyone tested how accurate shunts can be made with copper trace? 2015-04-13T19:11:27 < PeterM> kakimir, what % you aiming for? 20%? 2015-04-13T19:11:30 < PeterM> 50% 2015-04-13T19:11:32 < PeterM> ? 2015-04-13T19:12:20 < kakimir> ok so nope 2015-04-13T19:13:25 < Steffanx> lol. 2015-04-13T19:17:41 < zyp> uh, way more accurate than 50% I guess? 2015-04-13T19:18:52 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-13T19:19:57 < PeterM> it depends on the physical attributes of the trace, i mean if he made a 6mil long 6 mil wide trace as a shunt, etching tolerances etc would play a big part, if he made it the same resistance but larger, say 20mil x 20mil, etching tolerances, heating effects and copper thickness would be more accurate oin average 2015-04-13T19:20:27 < zyp> yes 2015-04-13T19:21:53 < PeterM> you may come to a point where area on the board taken up by the shunt is more expensive than a component shunt of the same value and accuracy/tolerance 2015-04-13T19:22:12 < PeterM> *may* being the operative word 2015-04-13T19:22:34 < zyp> heh 2015-04-13T19:29:52 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2015-04-13T19:30:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.210.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T19:31:30 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T19:32:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T19:33:59 < Simon--> dongs: I think the main problem with the lm5109 was just that it pulled up the output quite a bit. still worked 2015-04-13T19:34:22 < Simon--> (for future awake dongs) 2015-04-13T19:35:32 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-8bf270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T19:35:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8bf270d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-13T19:35:40 < Getty> first customer cancelled \o/ "the product software is like shit!" 2015-04-13T19:35:55 < Getty> pfff :) he will be surprised trying out the opponent products 2015-04-13T19:37:22 < PeterM> Simon--, what do yu mean by "pulled up the output quite a bit"? 2015-04-13T19:37:22 < PeterM> you mean too much drive current + voltage? 2015-04-13T19:38:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-13T19:39:50 < Simon--> PeterM: hi :) err, so I guess there's enough leakage/current from HB to HS that HS floats up without some fairly strong pull-downs to ground .. which is kind of odd, since HS being close to ground at "idle" is needed to charge the bootstrap cap 2015-04-13T19:40:12 < Simon--> it still worked, but it tripped my dead fet detector code 2015-04-13T19:41:53 < Simon--> whereas with a typical ir2101 or similar, any typical brushless esc sense resistor divider is enough to keep the outputs at 0V when everything is logic off 2015-04-13T19:44:11 < PeterM> Simon--, ahh i see, though in a normal application that probably wouldnt be an issue, since the bottom fet would be pulling HS down prety heavily 2015-04-13T19:45:46 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-13T19:46:00 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojktoioclhoznmuc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-13T19:46:34 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T19:48:22 < PeterM> also Simon--, have you seen the RT9629B before? its intended for DC-DC applications but i think it could be quite nice for motor cotrol 2015-04-13T19:49:24 < Simon--> PeterM: sure, but you'd have to be careful with ordering, since the bootstrap cap might not charge (and break the high side) unless you leave the low side on or have enough drain elsewhere.. 2015-04-13T19:50:18 < Simon--> nope. that's cool.. I've seen some before, but they're usually more than 3 single drivers 2015-04-13T19:51:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.183] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T19:51:49 < PeterM> that driver is cheap as chips 2015-04-13T19:58:12 < zyp> huh, looks like it'd be nice for ESCs 2015-04-13T19:58:20 < PeterM> Simon--, i dont think ordering would be an issue, just make sure that when the motor isn't being actively driven, all bottom fets are on 2015-04-13T19:59:18 < Simon--> you can't just do that though without causing regeneration if the motor is spinning 2015-04-13T19:59:41 < Simon--> eg, it's not safe to initialize an esc and blindly turn on the low side 2015-04-13T20:00:00 < Simon--> well, you can turn them all on (eg: 100% "brake") 2015-04-13T20:00:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-13T20:00:52 < Simon--> I suppose a lot of them don't care about regeneration very much, though.. 2015-04-13T20:01:14 < zyp> hmm, RT9629B can't leave both transistors on a channel off? 2015-04-13T20:01:34 < PeterM> when the motor is commutating it would refesh the "pulled down" gate on the top fet enough to not bother it 2015-04-13T20:01:34 < PeterM> zyp yes 2015-04-13T20:02:03 < zyp> well, if you don't leave one of the poles floating, you can't measure back-EMF, right? 2015-04-13T20:02:21 < Simon--> yes, but there's the idle state to running state that can be bad.. like if the bootstrap cap is charged to just around the gate threshold voltage 2015-04-13T20:03:15 < PeterM> zyp headline feature 2015-04-13T20:03:15 < PeterM> "Tri-state PWM input for Output Shutdown" 2015-04-13T20:03:57 < Simon--> yeah. I've been doing that with the ncp5911 with the help of an external pull-down 2015-04-13T20:04:07 < Simon--> I assume you just tristate the port to get "off"? 2015-04-13T20:04:11 < zyp> right, just saw it 2015-04-13T20:04:45 < PeterM> Simon--, 100% brake until you recieve go signal, commutate as normal, reading back emf for motor sped, when motor stops spinning, 100% brake again. not ideal but certainly workable software solution 2015-04-13T20:05:11 < Simon--> sure, like what you get right now if you enable MOTOR_BRAKE (in my case) :) 2015-04-13T20:06:16 < Simon--> anyway, as I said, it still works.. the sense dividers we had were strong eonugh to not cause charge problems, but output phases sat at 2.somethingV 2015-04-13T20:06:40 < PeterM> yeah - i dont think this wold be an issue at all for rc aircraft, for things like e-bikes etc it wouldn't be nice 2015-04-13T20:06:46 < Simon--> hehe 2015-04-13T20:06:52 < Simon--> "you're all stop and go" 2015-04-13T20:08:31 < PeterM> that and the heat 2015-04-13T20:09:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-13T20:09:56 < Simon--> you can also be crafty and sink on the sense pins until you need to start inputting from them 2015-04-13T20:10:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-13T20:16:55 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-13T20:18:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-13T20:19:21 < PeterM> that is true - im curius about the source of the leakage though - that doesn't seem like a reasonable situation 2015-04-13T20:19:32 < PeterM> anyway, its early morning, im off 2015-04-13T20:32:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T20:46:16 * Laurenceb has assembled his rockoon 2015-04-13T20:46:18 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/1HAdz6g.jpg 2015-04-13T20:47:04 < Steffanx> when is the launch? 2015-04-13T20:47:17 < Laurenceb> when its ready 2015-04-13T20:47:26 < Steffanx> what's yellow stuff? Tape? 2015-04-13T20:47:32 < Laurenceb> yes 2015-04-13T20:47:42 < Laurenceb> the bottom part isnt finished yet 2015-04-13T20:56:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T20:58:12 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T21:00:23 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-13T21:01:20 -!- Lerg_ [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T21:02:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.55] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T21:02:44 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-13T21:03:32 -!- Lerg_ is now known as Lerg 2015-04-13T21:14:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-13T21:14:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-13T21:15:39 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-13T21:22:04 -!- Viper168 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2015-04-14T02:53:10 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-14T02:54:39 < dongs> zyp, shipped last week, need to get label out of car to give you tracking 2015-04-14T02:55:06 < zyp> oh, right 2015-04-14T02:55:22 < dongs> there 2015-04-14T02:55:33 < zyp> thanks 2015-04-14T02:55:43 < dongs> left jp 3 days ago seems 2015-04-14T02:55:47 < dongs> probly in norgay soon 2015-04-14T02:55:58 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-14T02:56:07 < zyp> I'm away until sunday, so there's no hurry 2015-04-14T02:56:16 < dongs> should be fine then 2015-04-14T02:57:32 < zyp> I need invoice for assembly and the rest of the parts whenever you have time to put that together 2015-04-14T02:57:43 < dongs> Ya 2015-04-14T02:57:47 < dongs> you and a bunch of ot her people 2015-04-14T02:57:51 < dongs> keep forgetting shit 2015-04-14T02:57:53 < dongs> will get to it 2015-04-14T02:58:32 < zyp> well, I assume you want your money back :p 2015-04-14T03:00:05 < englishman> hes not a very good jew 2015-04-14T03:01:46 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-14T03:06:31 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T03:08:08 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-14T03:12:17 < dongs> Another vendor forum success 2015-04-14T03:12:33 < dongs> TI E2E reply directly by employee in less than 12 hours from posting 2015-04-14T03:26:13 < dongs> R2PRO 2015-04-14T03:29:11 < dongs> does anyone even care about console ports at this point 2015-04-14T03:29:18 < dongs> take shitty game that already sucked, make it run on PC 2015-04-14T03:29:20 < dongs> yawn 2015-04-14T03:30:59 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-build-an-indie-game-studio 2015-04-14T03:32:21 < kakimir> these people are 5years late 2015-04-14T03:33:00 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T03:34:23 < kakimir> wow reasonable budget 2015-04-14T03:34:59 < kakimir> nigeria? 2015-04-14T03:38:32 < kakimir> dongs you ever had a cabin fever? 2015-04-14T03:38:38 < dongs> a wat 2015-04-14T03:40:02 < kakimir> when you are isolated in cabin or so 2015-04-14T03:40:54 < kakimir> and you lose it 2015-04-14T03:43:05 < kakimir> or feel like it 2015-04-14T03:44:34 < kakimir> falling 2015-04-14T03:48:46 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T03:49:28 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T03:50:02 < englishman> dongs takes long expensive trips just to be isolated 2015-04-14T03:51:42 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-14T03:52:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-14T03:55:09 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T03:55:38 < kakimir> for studio 2015-04-14T03:56:00 < kakimir> nigerian first game studio 2015-04-14T03:57:22 < kakimir> no 2015-04-14T03:57:32 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkyaeghlserekabk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T03:57:46 < kakimir> you lose 500$ 2015-04-14T04:00:12 < dongs> do they make clone ammo? 2015-04-14T04:05:39 < kakimir> holy 2015-04-14T04:06:55 < englishman> cool 2015-04-14T04:07:22 < englishman> i need this for personal protection while going to the grocery store 2015-04-14T04:11:09 < dongs> its not like its very hard to make a gun 2015-04-14T04:11:15 < dongs> how can you make a shit gun 2015-04-14T04:11:21 < dongs> i mean it either works and shoots shit 2015-04-14T04:11:24 < dongs> or explodes in your face 2015-04-14T04:12:01 < kakimir> it would be nice to own some proper rifle 2015-04-14T04:12:15 < dongs> 3D print it 2015-04-14T04:12:26 < kakimir> certainly 2015-04-14T04:13:35 < englishman> kikeman arent you in .fi 2015-04-14T04:13:46 < englishman> .fi has lots of guns doesnt it 2015-04-14T04:14:12 < dongs> if so why isnt lunix toreballs dead yuet 2015-04-14T04:18:11 < kakimir> I actually have gun licences for .308 rifle and shotgun 2015-04-14T04:22:30 < kakimir> did he come back? 2015-04-14T04:25:05 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-219-11.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T04:26:09 < englishman> found panel with dongsworthy pixels http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sharp-not-even-joking-announces-5.5-inch-4K-IGZO-display-with-mind-blowing-806ppi-pixel-density_id68189 2015-04-14T04:26:39 < dongs> old 2015-04-14T04:26:47 < dongs> saw taht 24h ago 2015-04-14T04:27:10 < dongs> did you know jewpad5 panel is different from 3/4 2015-04-14T04:27:33 < dongs> http://www.panelook.com/LP097QX2-SPAV_LG%20Display_9.7_LCM_overview_21631.html different connector, and 200 more contrast ratio 2015-04-14T04:27:53 < kakimir> what uses for that panel there is? 2015-04-14T04:28:12 < dongs> duno, people in japan like to make submonitors out of htem 2015-04-14T04:28:13 < kakimir> it's not for human eyes obisiously 2015-04-14T04:29:56 < dongs> edp = displayport 2015-04-14T04:30:14 < englishman> is there already a 5th maxipad 2015-04-14T04:30:15 < dongs> works with pc/wahtever, or you can use dsi>edp converter to connect to shit like OMAP etc 2015-04-14T04:30:20 < dongs> englishman: yea apparently 2015-04-14T04:30:23 < dongs> 5th gen 2015-04-14T04:30:33 < englishman> uselesser and uselesser 2015-04-14T04:30:37 < dongs> yeah really 2015-04-14T04:30:44 < ds2> dongs: you got a simple to use ePD driver? 2015-04-14T04:31:00 < dongs> ds2: epaper? no. ask jpa- 2015-04-14T04:31:09 < dongs> i think the "simples" ones are i.MX shits with built in controller. 2015-04-14T04:31:28 < dongs> R2COM: like 50 bucks 2015-04-14T04:32:35 < dongs> nah, shit is on ebay etc 2015-04-14T04:32:39 < dongs> that site is just info site 2015-04-14T04:32:41 < dongs> you dont buy anythign there 2015-04-14T04:34:16 < dongs> USA shipping is probly $%100 2015-04-14T04:34:35 < dongs> no i mean 2015-04-14T04:34:40 < dongs> the $100 onesa re shipped from usa 2015-04-14T04:34:49 < dongs> where $50 is from chinatown 2015-04-14T04:34:56 < dongs> anyway, you still need to drive backlight on it 2015-04-14T04:35:03 < dongs> and find matching connector 2015-04-14T04:35:29 < dongs> I think its some LSMTron shit, I've got one on the way so I'll have to do some measuring again like I had to do on ipad mini panel 2015-04-14T04:35:40 < dongs> electrically yes 2015-04-14T04:35:54 < dongs> but connector is some .4mm pitch board to board junk 2015-04-14T04:36:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1ZvhwKj.jpg 2015-04-14T04:37:07 < dongs> right 2015-04-14T04:37:19 < dongs> and you provide it backlight + power + displayport video. 2015-04-14T04:37:26 < dongs> no 2015-04-14T04:37:28 < dongs> separate 2015-04-14T04:37:33 < dongs> digitizer is in the glass on jewpad 2015-04-14T04:37:50 < dongs> yes 2015-04-14T04:38:23 < dongs> http://photos.appleinsider.com/13.08.09-iPad5_Digi-1.jpg 2015-04-14T04:38:37 < dongs> yes, similar shit 2015-04-14T04:38:44 < dongs> teh bezel + front glass has the touchscreen stuff. 2015-04-14T04:38:56 < dongs> with like 100 connectors 2015-04-14T04:39:01 < dongs> for the touch array 2015-04-14T04:39:04 < dongs> that goes into wahtever 2015-04-14T04:39:51 < dongs> look at the pic of the shit you linked. 2015-04-14T04:39:56 < dongs> it has that wide gold connector 2015-04-14T04:39:58 < dongs> split into 2 parts 2015-04-14T04:41:04 < dongs> 0.5/0.4 or so last i looked 2015-04-14T04:41:09 < dongs> and not exactly wel ldocumented 2015-04-14T04:41:18 < dongs> i saw some blogs 2015-04-14T04:41:27 < dongs> its just the x/y array 2015-04-14T04:41:33 < dongs> of capacitative matrix shit 2015-04-14T04:41:59 < dongs> http://mikesmods.com/mm-wp/?p=112 this dude did some blogging about it 2015-04-14T04:43:59 < dongs> well, touchscreen part is standard 2015-04-14T04:44:16 < dongs> i mena,, you connect that x/y array of shit to something that can deal wiht capacititive touch screens 2015-04-14T04:45:05 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/data-acquisition-touch-screen-controllers/2557134 2015-04-14T04:45:56 < dongs> i guess, if youre willing to depend on crapple continuing to make it after a year or two 2015-04-14T04:46:40 < dongs> eww 2015-04-14T04:46:44 < dongs> all those controllers are resistive touch 2015-04-14T04:46:45 < dongs> hmm 2015-04-14T04:46:52 < dongs> where are capacitative touchscreen controllers 2015-04-14T04:47:21 < dongs> heh a tmel has somethign 2015-04-14T04:47:58 < dongs> atmel 2015-04-14T04:47:59 < dongs> duhj 2015-04-14T04:48:24 < dongs> > Better operation with noisy chargers 2015-04-14T04:48:26 < dongs> huhuhuhuuhhu 2015-04-14T04:48:35 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/products/TouchSolutions/touchscreens/unlimited_touch.aspx 2015-04-14T04:48:36 < dongs> right 2015-04-14T04:48:37 < dongs> no 2015-04-14T04:48:47 < dongs> no, they dont 2015-04-14T04:48:49 < dongs> why would they 2015-04-14T04:50:09 < dongs> looks like all atmel touch trash is NDA 2015-04-14T04:53:49 < dongs> noner 2015-04-14T04:53:53 < dongs> i'm using them 2015-04-14T04:53:56 < dongs> my adapter works with them. 2015-04-14T04:54:12 < dongs> im gonna try the QX2 (the new brighter one) 2015-04-14T04:55:29 -!- blight_ [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-14T04:56:22 < dongs> nah, about same. i was paying 45? or something for qx1 and i asked chinaguy to send me a test qx2 one it was liek 48 2015-04-14T04:58:23 < dongs> connectors for QX1 are standard molex, but QX2 and ipad mini use lsmtron shit, so I have to get ripped by ipad dealerz for cloned connectors 2015-04-14T05:02:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-14T05:03:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T05:08:31 < emeb_mac> ahola R2COM 2015-04-14T05:13:56 < dongs> when emeb is on a mac, he's far from pro 2015-04-14T05:14:21 * emeb_mac is always far from pro 2015-04-14T05:14:57 < emeb_mac> haven't been doing much true comms lately 2015-04-14T05:15:15 < emeb_mac> control systems is on the front burner 2015-04-14T05:20:03 -!- Devilhol1 is now known as Devilholk 2015-04-14T05:20:15 < emeb_mac> rf pa bias control 2015-04-14T05:44:55 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T05:57:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T05:57:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-14T05:57:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T05:58:02 < upgrdman> hi 2015-04-14T06:06:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: forrestv, Simon--, Mr_Sheesh, yots_, saltiresable 2015-04-14T06:07:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has 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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sharp-not-even-joking-announces-5.5-inch-4K-IGZO-display-with-mind-blowing-806ppi-pixel-density_id68189 2015-04-14T07:10:37 < dongs> so old 2015-04-14T07:10:42 < dongs> and it was already 24h old back then 2015-04-14T07:11:54 < englishman> meanwhile $1000 macbook is still 1080p with 0.3mp camera 2015-04-14T07:12:36 < dongs> is that what fgttime camera is? 2015-04-14T07:12:59 < PeterM> jeez, any modern smartphone has a 1080p screen anda much better than 0.3mp ffc 2015-04-14T07:13:26 < PeterM> apple get your shit together and stop makin laptops that have smartphone specs 2015-04-14T07:13:51 < PeterM> srsly apple, you made it charge via usb too? serious smartphone laptop rite there 2015-04-14T07:14:02 < dongs> new macbook is useless anyway. 2015-04-14T07:14:06 < dongs> only idiots would buy it 2015-04-14T07:14:46 < dongs> you must work around some dumb people 2015-04-14T07:14:53 < dongs> no wonder spacex keeps crashing thier shit 2015-04-14T07:16:32 -!- 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it being the ONLY FUCKING PORT ON IT you have to automatically buy a $80 adapter if you want to use any acutal USB devices wiht it 2015-04-14T07:28:05 < upgrdman> i know. im not buying one. fuck that. 2015-04-14T07:28:23 < upgrdman> but LOTS of people don't own a drawer full on dongles, etc. 2015-04-14T07:29:34 < upgrdman> think of it like this: does your mom (or grandparent or whatever) give a shit about usb? no. their shit inkjet printer is wifi. they own few if any usb gadgets. 2015-04-14T07:31:58 < dongs> i went to dell.jp to buy a laser printer 2015-04-14T07:32:00 < dongs> and t hey have none 2015-04-14T07:32:01 < dongs> ridiculous 2015-04-14T07:32:30 < upgrdman> im honestly a bit surpised the new macbook doesn't have qi wireless charging. 2015-04-14T07:32:51 < upgrdman> built into a little fan unit that mac fags can place on their desk. 2015-04-14T07:34:25 < PeterM> lenobo yoghurt 3 > crackbook 2015-04-14T07:35:49 < baird_> I expect all the Radio Astronomers will get majorly pissed-off when wireless recharge goes mainstream. 2015-04-14T07:36:01 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oivlvtsuhblueomp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-14T07:37:18 < upgrdman> lol http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mRWGaU2TZho/UvQIE8KwmfI/AAAAAAAAH58/-DJKcRGevio/s1600/waftgif2.gif 2015-04-14T07:37:35 < PeterM> baird_, that shit is like 80-300khz with ferrite slapp on either side 2015-04-14T07:37:38 < PeterM> slapped 2015-04-14T07:37:41 < dongs> PeterM: eh, i duno. yoga3 is shite. yoga 2 pro is OK but screen is trash. surfacepro3 is like bestest. 2015-04-14T07:38:38 < baird_> PeterM: pure longwave rape in a can 2015-04-14T07:38:56 < PeterM> baird_, 'side from dat ferrite shielding 2015-04-14T07:39:10 < PeterM> dongs still doenst change yoghurt 3 > crackbook 2015-04-14T07:39:53 < dongs> well yes 2015-04-14T07:41:08 < PeterM> surface pro 3 is nice but i like a fixt keyboard 2015-04-14T07:46:36 < emeb_mac> I've got something similar. 2015-04-14T07:46:53 < emeb_mac> acer, win8.1, touchscreen - nothing fancy 2015-04-14T07:47:09 < emeb_mac> runs all the basic stuff just fine 2015-04-14T07:48:11 < emeb_mac> what are you convolving with - just boxcar? 2015-04-14T07:49:00 < emeb_mac> interesting 2015-04-14T07:49:29 < emeb_mac> well, convolution will give you a fully filtered output sample for every input sample 2015-04-14T07:49:45 < emeb_mac> while int/dump requires you to know the timing interval in advance 2015-04-14T07:50:18 < emeb_mac> so convolution may have advantages if you need to sync clock 2015-04-14T07:51:05 < emeb_mac> it's simpler to implement and if you have some other way to establish timing then it's a win to use 2015-04-14T07:51:40 < emeb_mac> what? 2015-04-14T07:51:49 < emeb_mac> integrate/dump just requires accumulator 2015-04-14T07:51:53 < emeb_mac> no mults 2015-04-14T07:52:23 < emeb_mac> you have a very different definition of integrate/dump than I do then. 2015-04-14T07:54:18 < emeb_mac> well, that's not an int/dump I've ever used. 2015-04-14T07:55:12 < dongs> haha china WTF http://www.njytouch.com/products/568-en.html 2015-04-14T07:55:25 < dongs> they couldnt make it any bigger???????? 2015-04-14T07:56:50 -!- DanteA [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T07:57:27 < emeb_mac> sure 2015-04-14T07:57:38 < emeb_mac> I understand the math. 2015-04-14T07:57:52 < emeb_mac> it's like a convolution with just one time offset. 2015-04-14T07:58:17 < emeb_mac> or, you might also call it window & accumulate 2015-04-14T08:02:42 < emeb_mac> convolution is just FIR filter. it gives you an output sample for every input sample 2015-04-14T08:02:51 < dongs> lenovo store accepts paypal, lol 2015-04-14T08:06:08 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T08:07:50 < upgrdman> wtf. my luck with T&M gear is shit. just bought a current probe for my oscope. some shit inside is rattling around. 2015-04-14T08:10:22 < upgrdman> Simon--, you've made some ESCs right? many have a wide voltage range, like 2-8S LiPo. how do they do the voltage dividers and still have decent ADC resolution? multiple dividers, clamped with zeners? 2015-04-14T08:12:03 -!- DanteA [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-14T08:12:17 < upgrdman> 'MERICA http://imgur.com/dUzLXUq 2015-04-14T08:12:26 < dongs> upgrdman: no 2015-04-14T08:12:30 < dongs> we made a 60V ESC 2015-04-14T08:12:33 < dongs> used same divider 2015-04-14T08:12:35 < dongs> worked fine 2015-04-14T08:12:50 < upgrdman> even when run at like 8V? 2015-04-14T08:12:55 < dongs> 47K/4.7K divider 2015-04-14T08:13:05 < dongs> ours was rated 3S..12S. 2015-04-14T08:13:17 < dongs> 8V is kinda hard cuz 2015-04-14T08:13:22 < dongs> you need to boost gate driver supply and shit. 2015-04-14T08:13:31 < dongs> its easier to just ignore that range. 2015-04-14T08:13:33 < upgrdman> ok, so 11V. 2015-04-14T08:13:38 < dongs> Ya 2015-04-14T08:14:21 < upgrdman> so that voltage divider gives you 9% of the input voltage, right? 2015-04-14T08:14:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T08:15:06 < dongs> soudns about right 2015-04-14T08:15:11 < upgrdman> so 5.4V out if 60V in. isn't that going to pop the ADC? 2015-04-14T08:15:23 < dongs> not on atmega 2015-04-14T08:15:30 < upgrdman> 5v vdd? 2015-04-14T08:15:37 < dongs> also it wont be that high 2015-04-14T08:15:53 < dongs> ya failmega is 5V 2015-04-14T08:23:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-14T08:23:28 -!- Jakb [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T08:35:01 < Simon--> upgrdman: the stuff I've worked with is all comparator-based.. so working with comparator offset as the limit vs adc resolution 2015-04-14T08:35:21 < upgrdman> ah 2015-04-14T08:35:29 < upgrdman> make sense then 2015-04-14T08:35:46 < Simon--> I think the feedback from that is more useful than that of "fast" ADCs.. even my avr code samples the comparator at >1MHz 2015-04-14T08:38:56 < Simon--> a typical method is slope estimation/integration, but it has to be pwm-aligned, and then it gets sensitive to fet and motor properties etc 2015-04-14T08:39:42 < upgrdman> so for comparator setup you feed 1/2 VDD to one input, and one phase to the other input, right? 2015-04-14T08:40:29 < Simon--> no, emulated neutral to one side..resistor star from each sense line 2015-04-14T08:41:33 < Simon--> you can do 1/2 Vdd if you do symmetric pwm 2015-04-14T08:41:48 < Simon--> which has some benefits.. 2015-04-14T08:47:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-14T08:48:30 -!- Jakb [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-14T08:48:44 -!- DanteA [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T09:00:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-14T09:32:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has 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dongs> all SMT ones are vertical only 2015-04-14T10:33:19 < specing> im sure you could find horizontal ones if you spoke chinese 2015-04-14T10:35:21 < dongs> nope 2015-04-14T10:39:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T10:39:25 < PeterM> fuck i hate smd + th connectrs 2015-04-14T10:39:25 < PeterM> its like 2015-04-14T10:39:33 < PeterM> i got smd parts so i could avoid any annoying assembly 2015-04-14T10:39:40 < PeterM> but noooooo 2015-04-14T10:39:41 < dongs> right 2015-04-14T10:39:53 < dongs> hmm 2015-04-14T10:40:12 < dongs> buy 260 parts from Japan distributor using real money, wait 3 months for delivery 2015-04-14T10:40:21 < dongs> or buy 1300 from china, 2 weeks leaditme. 2015-04-14T10:40:23 < dongs> price is same. 2015-04-14T10:40:25 < dongs> HMMM 2015-04-14T10:40:40 < specing> lol 2015-04-14T10:42:55 < PeterM> japan? real money? ithought you bought everything with stamps or some shit over there 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2015-04-14T10:48:15 < ReadError> dont atms close too 2015-04-14T10:49:00 < PeterM> soo.... what happens to people that i dunno... work? 2015-04-14T10:49:24 < dongs> they work until midnight 2015-04-14T10:49:26 < dongs> and when they get off work 2015-04-14T10:49:30 < dongs> they dont give a fuck that ATM is closed 2015-04-14T10:49:43 < dongs> they are too stoned to do anything besides crawl into htier capsule hotel and fall asleep 2015-04-14T10:50:14 < ReadError> why do atms close?? 2015-04-14T10:50:23 < dongs> because banks do 2015-04-14T10:50:33 < dongs> internet banking closes too. 2015-04-14T10:50:39 < dongs> i cant login into my fucking bank before 89am 2015-04-14T10:50:40 < dongs> 8am 2015-04-14T10:50:54 < dongs> fuck if i ever tried to access their shit from abroad 2015-04-14T10:50:54 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-14T10:50:59 < dongs> TIMEZONES U NO??? 2015-04-14T10:51:09 < ReadError> whats the logic behind this?? 2015-04-14T10:51:15 < dongs> HEY HONEY WHY ARE YOU UP PAST MIDNIGHT 2015-04-14T10:51:25 < dongs> OH IM WAITING FOR JAPAN TO GET 8AM SO I CAN LOGIN TO ONLINE BANKING AND PAY FOR SHIT 2015-04-14T10:52:26 < specing> you can't even login to online banking when they are closed? 2015-04-14T10:52:56 < dongs> right 2015-04-14T10:53:02 < dongs> it says "you cant use this shit at this time" 2015-04-14T10:53:27 < specing> why no paypal? 2015-04-14T10:53:54 < ReadError> japan has gimp paypal 2015-04-14T11:02:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-14T11:06:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T11:11:19 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@118.209.98.205] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T11:19:24 < dongs> lol GTAV fails to run if your windows username has non-ascii characters 2015-04-14T11:19:35 < dongs> way to copy lunix, dickheads 2015-04-14T11:20:53 < jpa-> linux would break only on spaces, otherwise it would be happy to allow newlines in your username 2015-04-14T11:21:13 < dongs> doubtful 2015-04-14T11:21:33 < dongs> lunix stores all shit as char[] 2015-04-14T11:21:45 < jpa-> so? 2015-04-14T11:21:45 < dongs> and breaks at anything other than7bit ascii 2015-04-14T11:21:51 < jpa-> nope 2015-04-14T11:21:57 < jpa-> it just passes anything 8 bit through happily 2015-04-14T11:22:15 < jpa-> it's the problem of the gui to display it however it wants (i.e. usually as garbled text) 2015-04-14T11:25:21 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/8LWcqlw.jpg 2015-04-14T11:27:48 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T11:31:55 < ReadError> what ever happened to that polish game 2015-04-14T11:32:00 < ReadError> hatred or w/e 2015-04-14T11:32:33 < dongs> something to do wiht nazi shit? 2015-04-14T11:32:56 < ReadError> http://store.steampowered.com/app/341940/ 2015-04-14T11:33:06 < ReadError> i think you just run around killing african americans 2015-04-14T11:33:16 < dongs> motherfucker 2015-04-14T11:33:20 < dongs> it asked for age 2015-04-14T11:33:22 < dongs> i chose 1999 2015-04-14T11:33:26 < dongs> it says i cant view this material at this time 2015-04-14T11:33:28 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3PhvCf_Jg 2015-04-14T11:33:31 < dongs> and it saved the shit in a cookie 2015-04-14T11:33:33 < ReadError> there 2015-04-14T11:33:35 < dongs> too lazy to figure out 2015-04-14T11:33:40 < yots> incognito? 2015-04-14T11:33:43 < ReadError> seems like something you would be in to 2015-04-14T11:33:50 < ReadError> chrome -> developer 2015-04-14T11:33:53 < ReadError> cookies 2015-04-14T11:33:55 < ReadError> delete cookie 2015-04-14T11:35:30 < baird_> There was a realease of SunOS4 that allowed filenames of ?64kB and arbitary characters-- which got patched out on our Uni systems when the VT100 ASCII sheepfucking animation did the rounds.. 2015-04-14T11:35:43 < ReadError> surprised pony loving gaben let this in his precious steam store 2015-04-14T11:35:59 < dongs> when is it out? 2015-04-14T11:36:06 < ReadError> q2 2015 2015-04-14T11:36:10 < ReadError> so next 2 months? 2015-04-14T11:36:12 < dongs> just liek zano???????? 2015-04-14T11:36:12 < dongs> k 2015-04-14T11:39:47 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T11:40:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T11:41:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T11:44:49 < PaulFertser> jpa-: filesystems usually used with Linux, the kernel, allow arbitrary characters (usually but \0), spaces included. I've had to create a filename lately which had only \n in its name (to please a broken TFTP client on an old subnotebook). 2015-04-14T11:45:09 < PaulFertser> So yes, dongs is not right here :) 2015-04-14T11:45:45 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-14T11:46:30 < PaulFertser> Handling filenames with spaces might require some additional consideration when you deal with shell expansion or some traditional tools (find and xargs have -0 to work with that). 2015-04-14T11:47:51 < dongs> lunix, where everything is a FAIL 2015-04-14T11:48:05 < PaulFertser> Where do you see a fail here? 2015-04-14T11:49:28 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T11:53:22 < _Sync_> PaulFertser: additional fun when you generate a second .. file 2015-04-14T11:53:36 < _Sync_> or files with an actual empty file name 2015-04-14T11:53:58 < dongs> cat /dev/failure 2015-04-14T11:55:01 < _Sync_> yeah as if the windows eventpump legacy fuckup is better 2015-04-14T11:55:11 < dongs> pssh 2015-04-14T11:55:52 < PaulFertser> To play back animation on a modern system: ( while true; do read a || break; echo $a; sleep .05; done ) < whatever.vt 2015-04-14T11:57:16 < PaulFertser> Saner version: ( while read a; do echo $a; sleep .05; done ) 2015-04-14T11:57:46 < PaulFertser> Can't find the sheepfucking animation though 2015-04-14T11:58:01 < dongs> wat 2015-04-14T11:58:22 < dongs> that does fuck all 2015-04-14T11:58:43 < dongs> trying it in CMD.EXE in POSIX MODE 2015-04-14T11:58:51 < dongs> just to be an asshole 2015-04-14T12:03:45 < _Sync_> yeah PaulFertser I looked for it too but cannot find it 2015-04-14T12:08:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T12:09:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-14T12:11:17 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-14T12:13:39 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:14:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:20:14 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-14T12:26:46 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:31:09 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:36:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:47:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:53:59 -!- obarb [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T12:58:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T13:02:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: twixx, Roklobsta, PeterM, brabo 2015-04-14T13:05:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-14T13:06:35 -!- obarb is now known as brabo 2015-04-14T13:10:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T13:15:53 < Laurenceb> http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/these-things-exist-4.jpg 2015-04-14T13:33:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-14T13:34:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T13:45:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T13:52:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T13:54:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T13:55:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-15-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-14T14:04:08 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T14:04:31 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T14:10:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T14:13:45 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-14T14:19:10 < Getty> that awkward moment in industry where buying the protective sheet for a grill is 3 times the price of the actual grill ;) 2015-04-14T14:24:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T14:33:47 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-243-24.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-14T14:36:33 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-14T14:49:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-14T15:00:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T15:04:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T15:29:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-14T15:33:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T15:35:48 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T15:37:10 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/v3ejoAp.jpg 2015-04-14T15:40:07 < Devilholk> I have a really weird problem. When I flash my stm32f4 discovery board everything works, but pressing reset and it is completely dead. I compared flash with bin and there is one difference, the initial stack pointer on the flash is the beginning of RAM but the bin file says end of RAM which is reasonable for a fully descending stack 2015-04-14T15:40:19 < Devilholk> Does this mean flash is corrupt? Have anyone else had this problem? 2015-04-14T15:40:38 < PaulFertser> That article got so much pun in it, those journalists who wrote it must be really talented! 2015-04-14T15:41:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.155] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T15:42:14 < jpa-> Devilholk: how do you flash it? 2015-04-14T15:42:47 < jpa-> some flashers set the initial state of CPU based on .elf information, which may be different than what goes into flash 2015-04-14T15:42:55 < jpa-> also if you have a bootloader, it may do funny things 2015-04-14T15:43:02 < Devilholk> st-flash --reset write $(TARGET_BIN) 0x08000000 2015-04-14T15:43:13 < Devilholk> I don't have a boot loader for now 2015-04-14T15:43:37 < Devilholk> And TARGET_BIN is the path to my binary file from arm-none-eabi-objcopy 2015-04-14T15:43:41 < jpa-> st-flash = texane/stlink? 2015-04-14T15:44:34 < jpa-> so when you read back the data, it comes out different? but does the verify after flashing go ok? 2015-04-14T15:45:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T15:45:30 < Devilholk> Package manager says upstream link is https://github.com/texane/stlink 2015-04-14T15:45:37 < Devilholk> The verification says ok 2015-04-14T15:45:46 < Devilholk> But when reading back, first word is different 2015-04-14T15:47:34 < Devilholk> I'm downloading the reference manual, maybe it says something about flash cycles 2015-04-14T15:47:39 < jpa-> sounds pretty strange, though texane/stlink does have strange bugs sometimes 2015-04-14T15:47:44 < jpa-> i would try openocd 2015-04-14T15:48:42 < jpa-> (it'll require a bit more options than texane/stlink for flashing, copy e.g. from here https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example/blob/master/Makefile#L20) 2015-04-14T15:49:14 < Devilholk> Thanks, I'll try it 2015-04-14T15:54:23 < Devilholk> jpa-: Interesting 2015-04-14T15:54:31 < Devilholk> Now verification fails where I manually detected the difference 2015-04-14T15:54:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.113.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-14T15:54:57 < jpa-> try running "mass erase" on it 2015-04-14T15:55:04 < jpa-> perhaps it has some protection bits set 2015-04-14T15:55:19 < Devilholk> Yeah, doing that 2015-04-14T15:55:29 < PaulFertser> jpa-: btw, with the current version -c "program filename.elf exit" should work as well. 2015-04-14T15:55:41 < jpa-> PaulFertser: just that? nothing else? 2015-04-14T15:55:48 < Devilholk> eh.. now I got > 128 differences.. 2015-04-14T15:56:02 < jpa-> Devilholk: so, your flashing is not flashing things :) 2015-04-14T15:56:18 < PaulFertser> jpa-: -f interface -f target before that. 2015-04-14T15:56:29 < jpa-> yeah, but still cool :) 2015-04-14T15:56:35 < PaulFertser> But no init, reset etc. 2015-04-14T15:56:41 < jpa-> i'll have to update that makefile sometime (tm) 2015-04-14T15:58:06 < Devilholk> PaulFertser: I tried that but I get an error, says image.base_address option value ('exit') is not valid 2015-04-14T15:58:16 < PaulFertser> I see you have verify there too, so it would be program filename verify exit. Should work this way with current git and soon-to-be-released 0.9.0 2015-04-14T15:58:47 < PaulFertser> Devilholk: what version is that? With older you need to omit exit, it's implied. 2015-04-14T15:59:09 < jpa-> maybe i'll wait until it is sometime-ago-released 0.9.0, otherwise i'll get too much questions about why it doesn't work ;) 2015-04-14T15:59:11 < Devilholk> seems to be about one year old 2015-04-14T15:59:16 < Devilholk> 0.8 2015-04-14T15:59:23 < PaulFertser> Devilholk: ok, just omit exit then. 2015-04-14T16:00:02 < Devilholk> That's freaking weird 2015-04-14T16:00:14 < Devilholk> Now it programmed it and verification was ok and everything works! 2015-04-14T16:00:19 < PaulFertser> Haha 2015-04-14T16:00:35 < jpa-> so, another texane/stlink bug 2015-04-14T16:00:50 < jpa-> don't worry, it'll be fixed next week and replaced with a new funny bug 2015-04-14T16:02:09 < Devilholk> Thanks for the help guys 2015-04-14T16:02:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T16:02:17 < Devilholk> Yeah, I'll use openocd now instead 2015-04-14T16:28:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T17:02:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-14T17:11:25 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T17:12:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T17:13:16 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtmuqzapkpnybpgb] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T17:13:38 < karlp> heh, usbip over websockets... 2015-04-14T17:16:31 < PeterM> dafuw 2015-04-14T17:16:34 < PeterM> q 2015-04-14T17:17:14 < karlp> well, it includes poco c++ libs, so it is highly unlikely to ever merge, but neat idea :) 2015-04-14T17:22:45 < mitrax> say i have downloaded a firmware image through a bluetooth link, verified with checksums and all, and have it sitting in external ram (sdram on the board), is it possible for the STM32 to reflash itself safely (assuming no power-off) or do self upgrading hardware usually require external components? 2015-04-14T17:23:53 < zyp> mitrax, sure it is 2015-04-14T17:24:05 < zyp> but what do you refer to by «safely»? 2015-04-14T17:24:31 < mitrax> safely as in, reliable :) but then again i guess there's only one thing that can go wrong, power problem while flashing 2015-04-14T17:24:38 < dongs> you can always keep around a bootloader (that may use some tricks to update itself), but you can have the bootloader checksum/verify/wahtever main boot image before passing control to it 2015-04-14T17:24:52 < zyp> there's multiple things that can go wrong 2015-04-14T17:25:05 < zyp> what do you do if you flash a defective image, how do you recover from that? 2015-04-14T17:25:08 < mitrax> zyp: well i mean besides a fucked up firmware, but then i'm the only to blame 2015-04-14T17:25:14 < mitrax> err only one 2015-04-14T17:25:17 < jpa-> mitrax: there are a few things that can go wrong: 1) communication errors (your CRC should take care of that) 2) power failure 3) bug in flashing code 4) bug in new firmware 2015-04-14T17:26:05 < qyx_> you could solve some of them with external nonvolatile memory & bootloader 2015-04-14T17:26:11 < mitrax> yeah well 3) and 4) can be avoided i guess, and 1) with some CRC / hash whatever should be safe 2015-04-14T17:26:27 < zyp> qyx_, you don't need an external memory, you could just use separate flash sectors 2015-04-14T17:26:37 < jpa-> at work, we have solved all 4 by having 2x the flash needed, and flashing bank2 while running from bank1 etc. 2015-04-14T17:26:41 < mitrax> qyx_: with a default firmware so the thing can recover from a failed upgrade ? 2015-04-14T17:26:58 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, we did something similar in a work project 2015-04-14T17:27:00 < qyx_> zyp: or that if you have enough space to store backup copy 2015-04-14T17:27:21 < PaulFertser> stm32l even has special rom bootloader that can boot either bank depending on its "properness" automatically. 2015-04-14T17:27:22 < jpa-> you could also have a bootloader that is just enough to download firmware 2015-04-14T17:27:40 < zyp> mitrax, on one of the boards I made, I have a usb bootloader 2015-04-14T17:27:54 < zyp> which always runs before the main application 2015-04-14T17:28:27 < zyp> if main application is damaged in any way, you can force bootloader mode by holding down a button combination 2015-04-14T17:28:51 < mitrax> i see 2015-04-14T17:28:56 < zyp> so any problem with the main firmware is resolvable by forcing bootloader mode 2015-04-14T17:29:50 < mitrax> thanks guys 2015-04-14T17:30:51 < karlp> just make sure the support phone number is someone else... 2015-04-14T17:31:04 < mitrax> ahahah 2015-04-14T17:31:07 < jpa-> IMO it is ok if over-the-air firmware upgrade can only handle 1), but 2-4) should not result in brick and should be fixable by the user with a usb cable or similar 2015-04-14T17:31:51 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-14T17:32:14 < mitrax> jpa-: btw regarding my screen tearing problem, LTDC has a CDSR register with a VSYNCS bit, so vsync polling can be done before bit blitting, also there's a "line interrupt" that you be triggered when LTDC outputs a specific line 2015-04-14T17:32:17 < qyx_> i was tring to solve all and partially succeeded with backup copies, last-known-working firmware, check hash & code signing, watchdog 2015-04-14T17:32:20 < qyx_> but meh 2015-04-14T17:32:30 < qyx_> that doesn't solve bugs in the bootloader 2015-04-14T17:32:53 < zyp> if I did OTA, I'd probably keep a first stage usb-bootloader, with an additional «verify and write image»-mode 2015-04-14T17:32:54 < qyx_> and if you have some trigger as zyp and jpa- says, its okay 2015-04-14T17:32:55 < mitrax> jpa-: works nicely, so thanks for giving me pointers :) 2015-04-14T17:33:08 < zyp> then I'd download the image in the main application and store it 2015-04-14T17:33:14 < zyp> and trigger the bootloader to write it 2015-04-14T17:33:40 < qyx_> yep, same here 2015-04-14T17:33:43 < zyp> the image could even just be stored in ram, if you have enough 2015-04-14T17:33:55 < qyx_> except that i am a bit oldschool and used xmodem instead of usb 2015-04-14T17:33:56 < mitrax> yeah i have 8MB 2015-04-14T17:34:29 < zyp> qyx_, usb is probably the cheapest solution nowadays 2015-04-14T17:34:57 < zyp> usb-capable chips costs ~nothing and needs almost no extra external parts 2015-04-14T17:35:38 < zyp> if you already have an usb connector for charging, you just hook up the data lines too 2015-04-14T17:35:57 < qyx_> i am planning to do some serial-over-console, but then i need some other trigger 2015-04-14T17:36:04 < qyx_> *serial over usb console 2015-04-14T17:45:04 -!- DanteA [~X@host-97-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T17:45:11 < mitrax> i plan to design an STM32 board that mimics pretty much what's on the discovery card (minus the ST/LINK) + a 4.3" screen, and re-use it in several products (we do custom stuff, not so many units), the problem is there are plenty of 24bits RGB interface screens out there but all with different connectors / pin out... i guess there's no way around choosing one and sticking to it? a generic 2015-04-14T17:45:11 < mitrax> connector with an adapter would be a bad idea? what do you think? 2015-04-14T17:45:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T17:45:23 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T17:48:53 < qyx_> pick some most common and prepare multiple connector/flex cable footprints on the same board 2015-04-14T17:49:08 < qyx_> the pinouts are not that different 2015-04-14T17:49:34 < qyx_> also.. 24bit rgb interface? 2015-04-14T17:49:44 < mitrax> well i don't use 24bits only 18 2015-04-14T17:50:09 < qyx_> aha, stm32 with lcd controller 2015-04-14T17:50:20 < mitrax> yeah 2015-04-14T17:52:10 < jpa-> mitrax: they also change every few years 2015-04-14T17:52:29 < mitrax> jpa-: ah :/ 2015-04-14T17:55:07 < jpa-> one way to go would be just use one of these http://www.mikroe.com/mikromedia/stm32-m4/ ($99) 2015-04-14T17:55:27 < mitrax> yeah i saw those 2015-04-14T17:55:42 < mitrax> they seem really nice 2015-04-14T17:57:41 < zyp> $99 sounds expensive 2015-04-14T17:58:17 < zyp> for F4 and some shitty old lcd 2015-04-14T17:58:35 < karlp> no programmer hours bro 2015-04-14T17:58:38 < karlp> german quality 2015-04-14T17:58:57 < karlp> runs mikroebasic if you want it to 2015-04-14T17:59:01 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T17:59:43 < mitrax> i'd be more comfortable with using our own board though 2015-04-14T17:59:57 < mitrax> not so much a cost issue... misplaced pride maybe :) 2015-04-14T18:00:37 < zyp> NIH syndrome 2015-04-14T18:00:59 < qyx_> :D 2015-04-14T18:01:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-97-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-14T18:01:11 < mitrax> yeah :/ 2015-04-14T18:03:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:17:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:20:32 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@118.209.98.205] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:22:42 < rbino> hi everybody 2015-04-14T18:23:14 < kakimir> is steel wire spongle any good? 2015-04-14T18:23:36 < kakimir> for tip cleaning 2015-04-14T18:23:52 < kakimir> or brass 2015-04-14T18:23:58 < rbino> I'm trying to use libopencm3 but I can't flash my STM32F4-Discovery with the Makefiles (using st-util) 2015-04-14T18:24:14 < rbino> while if I take the .bin and flash it with QStLink2 it works 2015-04-14T18:24:51 < rbino> I followed the instructions on the github examples but I can't get it to work, does anyone have any idea of what could be wrong? 2015-04-14T18:24:53 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@118.209.98.205] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-14T18:24:56 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-14T18:26:08 < rbino> st-utils says "Flash written and verified! jolly good!" but the status led keeps blinking red-green and nothing happens on the board 2015-04-14T18:26:41 < zyp> rbino, you might try ##libopencm3 2015-04-14T18:26:58 < rbino> zyp, ok thanks, I'll try it 2015-04-14T18:27:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:28:49 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host98-229-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-14T18:41:23 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:46:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T18:49:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:52:19 < jpa-> mitrax: own board has advantages, but you lose many of those if you try to design a generic own board 2015-04-14T18:52:47 < jpa-> mitrax: perhaps design a generic base, but manufacture pcbs per project.. that way you can customize what is needed 2015-04-14T18:55:36 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-14T18:57:38 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T18:57:50 -!- mumptai_ [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-14T19:07:09 < mitrax> jpa-: yeah i guess i could do that 2015-04-14T19:08:46 < Steffanx> waveshare style or less generic jpa-? 2015-04-14T19:18:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-14T19:21:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T19:29:04 < jpa-> Steffanx: well any kind of generic board, either it'll 1) make it difficult or impossible to use some of the MCU resources or 2) always require manufacturing an extra board "shield" to actually fit any application, at which point you might just put the MCU on the same board 2015-04-14T19:29:20 < jpa-> manufacturing a simple PCB is not much cheaper than manufacturing a complex pcb 2015-04-14T19:45:57 < kuldeepdhaka> jpa-, but the rule do not apply to components. complex pcb means more parts :) 2015-04-14T19:46:39 < jpa-> so? at most you save the pcba startup costs 2015-04-14T19:47:12 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T19:53:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-14T19:58:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TWGAqtg5sE you don't need to spend your summer in workshop anymore 2015-04-14T20:02:17 < kakimir> car culture of rally age 2015-04-14T20:06:08 < Steffanx> boring.. it even tells you if you put the right part at the right place. 2015-04-14T20:17:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-14T20:17:26 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T20:24:29 < Laurenceb> fuuuu 2015-04-14T20:24:34 * Laurenceb just fried an stm32 2015-04-14T20:24:42 < Laurenceb> dropped 12V lead onto jtag 2015-04-14T20:24:45 < Laurenceb> smoke everywhere 2015-04-14T20:25:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T20:27:01 < karlp> Laurenceb: https://youtu.be/NXn0Cao8jm4?t=11 2015-04-14T20:27:14 < superbia> why you have 12V leads 2015-04-14T20:27:20 < Laurenceb> for powering motors 2015-04-14T20:27:26 < superbia> facepalmus 2015-04-14T20:27:42 < superbia> trying to enter the sex-market ? 2015-04-14T20:27:44 < Laurenceb> and pcb is on meltable plastic :-/ 2015-04-14T20:27:55 < Laurenceb> going to have to spend hours reflowing 2015-04-14T20:28:00 < superbia> yep motors-plastic -> sex market 2015-04-14T20:28:09 < Laurenceb> wel dismantling + reassembly 2015-04-14T20:29:39 < Steffanx> i fried my good old avr dragon like that. 12V leads <3 2015-04-14T20:30:00 < superbia> yep good ol times when atmel studio was free 2015-04-14T20:31:35 < Laurenceb> hmf 2015-04-14T20:31:41 < Laurenceb> now my gopro has cr5ashed again 2015-04-14T20:31:48 < Laurenceb> works about 10% of the time 2015-04-14T20:31:53 < superbia> crapolaware 2015-04-14T20:32:20 < _Sync_> ambarella = best hardware 2015-04-14T20:33:16 < Laurenceb> arggg 2015-04-14T20:33:21 < Laurenceb> everything is epic fail 2015-04-14T20:33:44 < superbia> Laurenceb: why motors? 2015-04-14T20:33:47 < superbia> why gopro? 2015-04-14T20:33:58 < Laurenceb> balloon project 2015-04-14T20:34:09 < Laurenceb> tried balloon project with nonfunctional camera 2015-04-14T20:34:12 < Laurenceb> *fried 2015-04-14T20:34:22 < superbia> motors for parachute? 2015-04-14T20:40:58 < Steffanx> what are you doing with the gopro that is crashes Laurenceb? Don't hear many others complain about that 2015-04-14T20:41:09 < Steffanx> but that could be because im not really in the gopro scene 2015-04-14T20:43:41 < Laurenceb> i dont know 2015-04-14T20:43:45 < Laurenceb> it just fails 2015-04-14T20:43:53 < Laurenceb> either wont boot, wont connect to usb 2015-04-14T20:43:59 < Laurenceb> randomly wont power down 2015-04-14T20:44:00 < Laurenceb> etc 2015-04-14T20:44:10 < Laurenceb> shit tons of errors in dmesg 2015-04-14T20:44:16 < Laurenceb> the usb is screwed 2015-04-14T20:44:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.91] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T20:44:48 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkyaeghlserekabk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-14T20:45:48 < superbia> dmesg 2015-04-14T20:45:55 < superbia> http://wallpapers.wallhaven.cc/wallpapers/full/wallhaven-191132.jpg 2015-04-14T20:50:52 < Laurenceb> tl;dr : everything gopro is fucked 2015-04-14T20:56:01 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtmuqzapkpnybpgb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-14T21:07:17 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-14T21:08:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.210.161] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T21:11:46 -!- dufa [~jarmo@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-14T21:38:10 < Laurenceb> oh god 2015-04-14T21:38:12 < Laurenceb> /* Wait till LSE is ready */ 2015-04-14T21:38:12 < Laurenceb> while (RCC_GetFlagStatus(RCC_FLAG_LSERDY) == RESET) { ; } 2015-04-14T21:38:17 < Laurenceb> code is looping there 2015-04-14T21:38:22 < Laurenceb> this is really really bad 2015-04-14T21:39:11 < fbs> ur really really bad 2015-04-14T21:39:36 < Laurenceb> yup 2015-04-14T21:39:39 < Laurenceb> i fail at life 2015-04-14T21:39:43 < Laurenceb> and holding 12v lines 2015-04-14T21:39:50 < Laurenceb> could a xtal be fried by 12v? 2015-04-14T21:46:41 < jpa-> somehow i would say "no" as they don't generally conduct dc 2015-04-14T21:48:39 < jpa-> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat 2015-04-14T21:49:20 < Laurenceb> hmmm 2015-04-14T21:49:25 < Laurenceb> this is very weird 2015-04-14T21:49:28 < Laurenceb> d 2015-04-14T21:49:46 < Steffanx> must be a dongs project 2015-04-14T21:51:37 < Laurenceb> very weird and very bad 2015-04-14T21:52:05 < Laurenceb> ill tyr to scope it 2015-04-14T21:53:59 < zyp> 360 noscope it 2015-04-14T21:55:04 < Laurenceb> ok so one output goes to 2v 2015-04-14T21:55:08 < Laurenceb> the other is ground 2015-04-14T21:57:59 < Laurenceb> thats bad right? 2015-04-14T21:58:09 < jpa-> output? 2015-04-14T21:58:32 < Laurenceb> sorry 2015-04-14T21:58:37 < Laurenceb> one side of the xtal 2015-04-14T21:58:55 < mitrax> any clue why enabling the FMC clock through the AHB3ENR register (i.e setting the FSMCEN bit) would cause the Bank5_6 registers to be initialized with incorrect values? i have FMC_SDCR1 / FMC_SDTR set to strange values whenever i turn the clock on 2015-04-14T21:58:59 < jpa-> how does it go to ground? or did you burn the chip that it is connected to? 2015-04-14T21:59:11 < qyx_> seems like this 2015-04-14T22:00:06 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acyoecjazaplkket] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T22:00:20 < Laurenceb> jpa-: ive replaced the stm32 2015-04-14T22:00:30 < Laurenceb> it connects via jtag and boots up ok 2015-04-14T22:00:43 < Laurenceb> but ends up waiting forever for the LSE xtal to start 2015-04-14T22:00:50 < jpa-> is your crystal somehow connected to ground? 2015-04-14T22:01:11 < Laurenceb> no 2015-04-14T22:01:16 < Laurenceb> ill double check 2015-04-14T22:01:54 < Laurenceb> yeah infinity ohms 2015-04-14T22:04:30 < yan_> i've asked this before here, but i'm still not 100% clear: if low power consumption is #1 goal, is it better to forego HSE oscillator? 2015-04-14T22:05:06 < qyx_> yan_: there is a power consumption section in the datasheet 2015-04-14T22:05:18 < qyx_> which lists operation with HSI/HSE and various power saving modes 2015-04-14T22:05:35 < qyx_> ou, hse 2015-04-14T22:05:42 < qyx_> but that too 2015-04-14T22:05:57 < yan_> qyx_: i've checked it out, but i wasn't sure if that included power for actual oscillator or just the MCU power consumption while using it 2015-04-14T22:06:24 < yan_> that and it appears that the only benefit behind having HSE/LSE is accuracy, is that right? 2015-04-14T22:07:14 < jpa-> yes 2015-04-14T22:10:32 < Laurenceb> so, should i try xtal replacement? 2015-04-14T22:11:14 < qyx_> yan_: for F401 there is a table Table 37. HSE 4-26 MHz oscillator characteristics (1) 2015-04-14T22:11:38 < qyx_> it says that HSE with CL=10pF at 25MHz eats 530uA 2015-04-14T22:12:01 < qyx_> and HSI is 60uA 2015-04-14T22:12:08 < qyx_> (table 39) 2015-04-14T22:13:55 < Laurenceb> aha 2015-04-14T22:13:56 < yan_> i'm looking at L151, and looks like HSE oscillator power consumption is 500uA and 2.5m at startup 2015-04-14T22:13:59 < yan_> sounds like a lot 2015-04-14T22:13:59 < Laurenceb> dry joint 2015-04-14T22:14:27 < yan_> LSE is 600nA so much more paletable :) 2015-04-14T22:15:01 < yan_> and HSI power consumption is 100uA 2015-04-14T22:17:16 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T22:18:30 < bradfirj> Obviously being in ##stm32 I've got my asbestos underpants on, but has anyone here used Freescale, ARM or NXP mcus instead? 2015-04-14T22:18:48 < bradfirj> And if so, would you mind extoling the virtues and caveats of why one should pick one or the other 2015-04-14T22:18:57 < bradfirj> I can't find a non-biased resources, as you would expect 2015-04-14T22:19:09 < bradfirj> s/ARM/Atmel/ 2015-04-14T22:19:34 < yan_> bradfirj: i looked at freescale MCUs before, but found stms to have better documentation, and more people online used them, which made asking questions in a place like ##stm32 easier.. that and they had significantly lower power consumption 2015-04-14T22:19:52 < yan_> although it doesn't really matter.. just pick something you'll enjoy using and go with it 2015-04-14T22:20:17 < bradfirj> The attraction of the pratcially free STMFxDiscovery boards is partially why I'm here 2015-04-14T22:21:08 < bradfirj> And the fact that it turns out openocd + st-linkv2 can program other SWD targets, well that just expands my options 2015-04-14T22:21:39 < yan_> bradfirj: yep, i use openocd, and libopencm3 and normal gcc to write code.. i like it 2015-04-14T22:22:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.91] has quit [] 2015-04-14T22:22:24 < bradfirj> I'm using the ST HAL libs atm but I'm a big fan of the gcc/make/openocd workflow 2015-04-14T22:22:43 < yan_> i'm sorta afraid that i'll hit limitations of libopencm3 if i need to do anything exotic, but it's been working out just fine 2015-04-14T22:22:56 < bradfirj> Makes you fairly portable too I would guess 2015-04-14T22:23:30 < yan_> yep, everything has been nice.. 2015-04-14T22:23:56 < bradfirj> I assume work has slowed on that since ST relicenced the HAL though 2015-04-14T22:24:23 < bradfirj> Generally these nice FOSS projects spring up because there's a nasty restrictive licence, like the StdPeripheral was 2015-04-14T22:25:16 < yan_> bradfirj: last i checked the st libraries were essentially in the public domain.. i haven't moved over yet since i found working with their source slightly harder.. i.e. i couldn't just point to a git submodule and have everything build cleanly 2015-04-14T22:25:33 < yan_> and i remember them having you go through stm32cube for this 2015-04-14T22:25:52 < bradfirj> Yeah they're BSD now 2015-04-14T22:25:55 < bradfirj> BSD 3-clause 2015-04-14T22:26:06 < bradfirj> iirc it was a reaction to Atmel BSDing the entire ASF 2015-04-14T22:26:29 < yan_> do you know if it's easy to get it now, or you still have to make an account and get a huge tarball with everything in it 2015-04-14T22:26:40 < bradfirj> I'll up the tar for you if you like ;) 2015-04-14T22:26:46 < bradfirj> No what I did was dl the STM32Cube 2015-04-14T22:26:56 < bradfirj> make 3 dummy projects, one for CM0, 3 and 4 2015-04-14T22:26:56 < yan_> bradfirj: heh thanks, i'll look into it later probably 2015-04-14T22:27:15 < bradfirj> it downloads the library packages and extracts them into ~/STM32Cube/ 2015-04-14T22:27:21 < bradfirj> then that's it, all the sources are in there 2015-04-14T22:27:37 < bradfirj> I think there are links buried somewhere on st.com but I didn't findthem 2015-04-14T22:27:44 < karlp> bradfirj: work slowed because it was nearly "complete" for most people :) 2015-04-14T22:27:56 < yan_> i found them at one point, but libopencm3 worked so i didn't bother continuing 2015-04-14T22:27:58 < karlp> but sure, the hanged license of the vendor ilbs also helped :) 2015-04-14T22:28:10 < karlp> ack, with better typing 2015-04-14T22:28:19 < bradfirj> keyboards how do they work :) 2015-04-14T22:28:23 < yan_> and karlp still pushes commits to libopencm3 afaik 2015-04-14T22:28:28 < karlp> cold fingers, just came in off the bike 2015-04-14T22:28:36 < bradfirj> Yeah when I was first debating MCUs I intially went with SAMd20 2015-04-14T22:28:45 < bradfirj> but ASF is a clusterfuck without atmel studio 2015-04-14T22:28:53 < bradfirj> And atmel studio = windows = nope 2015-04-14T22:29:03 < karlp> bradfirj: nowadays libopencm3 tends to get more pulls for newer devices, different vendors, more obscure peripherals, and more higher level stuff 2015-04-14T22:29:08 < yan_> anyone know why so few models are available from mouser/digikey? i'm looking at a stm32l151's in 48 pin variation and both of them only have like one or two models of them available in small quantities 2015-04-14T22:30:37 < bradfirj> Farnell UK are swimming in them 2015-04-14T22:30:39 < bradfirj> if you're stuck 2015-04-14T22:30:45 < bradfirj> 2955 available 2015-04-14T22:30:49 < bradfirj> in the LQFP48 2015-04-14T22:31:27 < karlp> I think he means all the different flash size variations and temp ratings 2015-04-14T22:31:39 < bradfirj> oh right I thought he meant the specific part 2015-04-14T22:32:01 < bradfirj> They've all got the "NEW PRODUCT YEY" flag on them so perhaps production is still ramping? 2015-04-14T22:55:33 < yan_> yeah i meant flash variations.. and was looking at the UQFPN48 package 2015-04-14T23:06:11 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-14T23:07:39 < bradfirj> What's the smallest STM32 with an LCD driver, do any of the M0s have the pins for it? 2015-04-14T23:08:47 < Steffanx> l053 2015-04-14T23:16:22 < bradfirj> cheers 2015-04-14T23:17:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.210.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-14T23:32:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-14T23:57:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] --- Day changed Wed Apr 15 2015 2015-04-15T00:04:36 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-15T00:05:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-15T00:08:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T00:11:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-15T00:16:52 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T00:22:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-15T00:24:14 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-15T00:24:14 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T00:29:54 < kakimir> dongs: http://www.helipal.com/fineco-fx-1-nano-drone.html?osCsid=mvq7n2a9vges8kcflp5o5hh6l7%20this%20or%20http://www.amazon.com/Cheerson-2-4GHz-6-Axis-Quadcopter-Bright/dp/B00KHGXDMO/ref=pd_sim_t_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=03J9Z7QCTQ5CR7WQ1WNX 2015-04-15T00:32:14 < yan_> kakimir: does that use an stm32 variant? 2015-04-15T00:35:08 < karlp> bradfirj: yeah, another remaining reason people use locm3 and friends is the friendlier environment for people wanting makefiles and git 2015-04-15T00:35:23 < karlp> and some people just don't like the ST code at all. (bugs have been found) 2015-04-15T00:35:55 < bradfirj> Fair, thanks :) 2015-04-15T00:36:22 < karlp> quite a few people wrote their own layers with varying levels of abstraction too. 2015-04-15T00:36:53 < karlp> there's #libopencm3 if you want to ask anythign specific about that too. 2015-04-15T00:37:15 < bradfirj> It still surprises me how many manufactuers are still entirely wedded to Keil or IAR etc etc 2015-04-15T00:37:39 < karlp> is it the manufacturers or the major customres? 2015-04-15T00:37:47 < bradfirj> That's the question I suppose 2015-04-15T00:38:27 < karlp> anyway, it sure appears to have vastly imrpoved options for free/libre development options in the last few years at least. 2015-04-15T00:38:35 < bradfirj> I work for a top10 tech company on SANs, and the build environment for what is one of the big 3 storage vendors is gcc and make 2015-04-15T00:38:45 < karlp> ST even provides a win/mac/linux cross platform app for updating the firmware on their stlink devices now. 2015-04-15T00:38:50 < karlp> much improved from a windows only binary 2015-04-15T00:38:59 < bradfirj> So it's surprising that down in the emdedded lands, windows IDEs seem to be the favourite 2015-04-15T00:39:29 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-15T00:39:52 < karlp> I would hazard at gcc+make being populare at the very big and very small, and "pro" for the middle sized where they need the help and can afford it, but if you get too big, the licensing can be problematic, and your own company is bigger than the vendor. 2015-04-15T00:39:55 < Taxman> i think they want do address beginners/low skilled ones 2015-04-15T00:40:07 < bradfirj> But as you say, maybe the difference is an electronic engineer who does a bit of firmware programming != a software engineer who does a bit of electronics 2015-04-15T00:40:23 < karlp> bradfirj: yeah, that too. 2015-04-15T00:40:24 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T00:40:40 < karlp> devices get bigger and smarter, more software, people want more traditional software tools? 2015-04-15T00:41:07 < bradfirj> Well partly because what I work on, the management layer is just linux 2015-04-15T00:41:18 < bradfirj> then kernel modules to control the big iron 2015-04-15T00:41:35 < bradfirj> So I guess those who came before were probably linux hackers who started a company 2015-04-15T00:41:38 < bradfirj> hence gcc/make/vim 2015-04-15T00:42:17 < karlp> jpa-: that kosherswitch is madness 2015-04-15T00:42:49 < karlp> bradfirj: particularly in the networking space, yeah, 2015-04-15T00:44:16 < bradfirj> karlp: Now I've googled that and I'm both amazed and confused 2015-04-15T00:44:28 < bradfirj> I knew about the lightswitch rules for shabbat but good lord that's one hell of a loophole 2015-04-15T00:44:40 < yan_> bradfirj: i think the randomness is what makes it okay 2015-04-15T00:45:22 < yan_> bradfirj: but then again, i don't really know, i just asked a friend of mine who is educated in this 2015-04-15T00:45:49 < karlp> whoever linked my summer car, that's madness too... 2015-04-15T00:46:17 < bradfirj> Arguably a capactive touch sensor would be electronically isolated too 2015-04-15T01:03:45 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icjbnfatdcsllfgs] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T01:06:08 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T01:21:19 < kakimir> I feel ancient doing manual job with components 2015-04-15T01:22:03 < kakimir> *in design software 2015-04-15T01:23:00 < kakimir> creating them. giving names and numbers to pins, choosing pin types and then linking it to package 2015-04-15T01:23:21 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-15T01:23:46 < kakimir> and everybody does this by own or by group of company or such 2015-04-15T01:24:37 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-15T01:25:01 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-15T01:25:26 < kakimir> in future there may be parametric design softwares that desing whole blocks of hw without interrupt by user 2015-04-15T01:30:09 < qyx_> in the future, the life will be asesome 2015-04-15T01:30:16 < qyx_> *awesome 2015-04-15T01:30:19 < bradfirj> heh, one day FPGAs may be so dense and cheap, you don't need application specific chips anymore 2015-04-15T01:30:32 < qyx_> *small 2015-04-15T01:30:35 < bradfirj> every manufacturer just makes fpgas, and you download whatever core you want onto it 2015-04-15T01:30:44 < bradfirj> size, also size 2015-04-15T01:31:01 < qyx_> if there were fpgas in qfn16.. \o/ 2015-04-15T01:31:22 < bradfirj> as price goes down you see the less dense pin count devices 2015-04-15T01:31:31 < bradfirj> idk is a 16pin fpga possible, ignoring cost? 2015-04-15T01:31:43 < bradfirj> I haven't usedthem so I don't know how many pins are reserved for housekeeping 2015-04-15T01:32:09 < qyx_> it depends, i tried only some hello-world examples 2015-04-15T01:32:15 < specing> bradfirj: nope 2015-04-15T01:32:25 < specing> bradfirj: fpga will never be as fast and efficient as ASICs 2015-04-15T01:32:26 < qyx_> why 2015-04-15T01:32:52 < qyx_> aha, previous question 2015-04-15T01:33:10 < kakimir> in future application specific chips are so low power and small and cheap you don't even know if it's there 2015-04-15T01:33:27 < specing> kakimir: the future is now 2015-04-15T01:33:43 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-15T01:34:14 < specing> kakimir: I bet you didn't know all intel processors starting with core2 embed a hardware backdoor running on a seperate processor inside the northbridge 2015-04-15T01:34:45 < bradfirj> Anyone used the Altera FPGAs? 2015-04-15T01:34:53 < specing> bradfirj: ##fpga 2015-04-15T01:34:58 < bradfirj> ty 2015-04-15T01:35:17 < qyx_> specing: what does it do 2015-04-15T01:35:29 < specing> qyx_: gives remote access like any other back door. 2015-04-15T01:35:46 < zyp> qyx_, lattice makes fpgas in WLCSP16 2015-04-15T01:36:01 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acyoecjazaplkket] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-15T01:36:03 < kakimir> specing: nsa is screenviewing 2015-04-15T01:36:17 < zyp> qyx_, and qfn32 2015-04-15T01:36:19 < qyx_> specing: is it capable if injecting into ethernet or whatever? 2015-04-15T01:36:19 < specing> qyx_: the exact functionality is not known because it is all closed-source 2015-04-15T01:36:50 < qyx_> zyp: uhm, but lattice meh 2015-04-15T01:36:50 < specing> qyx_: it has transparent access to everything 2015-04-15T01:37:37 < qyx_> yes, i assume so, but it's not that easy to understand all host-device protocols and internet-wise protocols 2015-04-15T01:37:45 < qyx_> vpns and stuff 2015-04-15T01:37:49 < specing> qyx_: it can suspend the execution of your OS, modify it in system memory, tranparently access the network chip,... 2015-04-15T01:37:50 < zyp> qyx_, IIRC the whole point of their ice40 series is to be small and cheap for comparably simple stuff 2015-04-15T01:38:09 < specing> qyx_: it doesen't have to. It can see whole RAM 2015-04-15T01:38:18 < kakimir> ok I'm going with amd next 2015-04-15T01:38:19 < specing> qyx_: and with that, encryption keys 2015-04-15T01:38:38 < qyx_> specing: again, yes, but what can it do with it, just sit there and see and nothing.. yes, modify, but what 2015-04-15T01:38:50 < qyx_> i'll give you a flash chip, what will you do? 2015-04-15T01:38:50 < zyp> what's up with the tinfoil hat discussion? 2015-04-15T01:39:24 < kakimir> how you build your security when there is unknown parts in every part? 2015-04-15T01:39:26 < qyx_> you can look at hexdumps for years even with your brain-powered heuristics 2015-04-15T01:39:41 < qyx_> and see nothing 2015-04-15T01:39:44 < kakimir> I need to build stm32 firewall 2015-04-15T01:39:45 < qyx_> but meh 2015-04-15T01:40:01 < specing> kakimir: you stop using known bad parts 2015-04-15T01:40:06 < specing> kakimir: the rest are lottery 2015-04-15T01:40:33 < specing> qyx_: it can suspend the execution of your OS, modify it in system memory, tranparently access the network chip,.. 2015-04-15T01:40:57 < qyx_> i understand, but what to do with that? 2015-04-15T01:41:01 < qyx_> it is suspended, what now? 2015-04-15T01:41:04 < qyx_> it is still suspended 2015-04-15T01:41:13 < qyx_> uh, should i send it over network? 2015-04-15T01:41:18 < specing> it can copy entire ram and send it over to the nsa 2015-04-15T01:41:27 < qyx_> yes, and how 2015-04-15T01:41:29 < specing> or it can provide a remote shell for them 2015-04-15T01:41:38 < qyx_> it has to know network settings 2015-04-15T01:41:50 < qyx_> it has to know vpn settings 2015-04-15T01:41:58 < qyx_> => it has to understand internet protocols 2015-04-15T01:42:03 < specing> qyx_: the OS has already taken care of that 2015-04-15T01:42:10 < qyx_> which os? 2015-04-15T01:42:15 < specing> qyx_: it does understand them 2015-04-15T01:42:17 < specing> all OS 2015-04-15T01:42:53 < qyx_> so this tiny "coprocessor" is actually a huge blob of knowledge and certainty of future things 2015-04-15T01:42:57 < qyx_> so it can predict everything 2015-04-15T01:43:00 < kakimir> let's think you are nsa and have billions of taxpayers money to spend 2015-04-15T01:43:02 < qyx_> all the changes in the os itself 2015-04-15T01:43:13 < specing> qyx_: at boot, a 5.5 MB binary is loaded into it 2015-04-15T01:44:04 < qyx_> still a abstract-as-fuck idea of doing everything and accessing everything 2015-04-15T01:44:28 < kakimir> you decide to create a software suite using all backdoors in propiertary software and hardware 2015-04-15T01:44:53 < kakimir> enabling highest possible access percentage 2015-04-15T01:45:04 < qyx_> i do get that it has unbound possiblities, but what 2015-04-15T01:46:02 < specing> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware 2015-04-15T01:47:08 < qyx_> still, too muchc paranoia hurts 2015-04-15T01:47:27 < kakimir> oh that one 2015-04-15T01:48:02 < kakimir> I assumed some secret processor 2015-04-15T01:50:21 < qyx_> ok, there are multiple risks in a local environment and bla bla, exploit spreading and such 2015-04-15T01:51:12 < qyx_> but seeing nsa-like threats in every possible piece of technology is a bit ill 2015-04-15T01:51:45 < qyx_> i should stop using stm32 righ now because there MIGHT be a secure coprocessor tied to a MAC 2015-04-15T01:52:04 < specing> qyx_: < specing> kakimir: you stop using known bad parts < specing> kakimir: the rest are lottery 2015-04-15T01:52:06 < qyx_> allowing someone to suspend it and send the whole sram over thernet 2015-04-15T01:52:18 < zyp> how did this discussion start? 2015-04-15T01:52:38 < qyx_> 00:34 < specing> kakimir: I bet you didn't know all intel processors starting with core2 embed a hardware backdoor running on a seperate processor inside the northbridge 2015-04-15T01:52:54 < zyp> oh, that's not true 2015-04-15T01:53:20 < zyp> at least on recent gens only Q-variant chipsets have AMT support 2015-04-15T01:53:38 < qyx_> and regarding known bad parts - whats actually bad on amt? 2015-04-15T01:53:41 < specing> zyp: but all processors have the management engine and it cannot be turned off 2015-04-15T01:54:11 < specing> "cannot be turned off" as in the processor will not boot without the firmware loaded into it 2015-04-15T01:54:22 < qyx_> and wtf 2015-04-15T01:54:33 < qyx_> a coffee machine won't boot without its processor 2015-04-15T01:54:45 < specing> qyx_: there is no transparency with amt 2015-04-15T01:54:47 < zyp> specing, so that's something completely different from AMT then? 2015-04-15T01:54:50 < qyx_> which implicates there is a *possibility* of someone exploiting it 2015-04-15T01:55:01 < qyx_> and overdosing you with a coffeine 2015-04-15T01:55:08 < qyx_> you should stop using coffee machines 2015-04-15T01:55:12 < specing> zyp: AMT is only the version where they additionaly let you benefit from the backdoor 2015-04-15T01:56:08 < zyp> so if every variant supports it, why do only specific variants have AMT support? 2015-04-15T01:56:15 < specing> $$$ 2015-04-15T01:56:23 < specing> pay more to have it 2015-04-15T01:56:32 < zyp> actually, you pay less 2015-04-15T01:56:44 < specing> how so? 2015-04-15T01:57:17 < zyp> the K-variant CPUs doesn't support AMT, the non-K variands does 2015-04-15T01:57:25 < zyp> and the K variants are more expensive 2015-04-15T01:58:06 < zyp> I deliberately bought a 4670 over a 4670K a couple of years ago, because I wanted AMT 2015-04-15T01:58:42 < specing> all support AMT, they just don't let you have both 2015-04-15T01:58:54 < zyp> again, why not? 2015-04-15T01:58:59 < specing> because Intel 2015-04-15T01:59:04 < zyp> and both what? 2015-04-15T01:59:12 * specing has been left wondering for ages 2015-04-15T01:59:28 < specing> K parts also do not support the IOMMU 2015-04-15T01:59:39 < kakimir> have anyone been in big companies having thousands of computers? 2015-04-15T01:59:54 < zyp> okay, so if even you don't understand it, maybe there's a possibility that you're wrong? 2015-04-15T02:00:00 < zyp> ever considered that? 2015-04-15T02:00:03 < specing> zyp: of course 2015-04-15T02:01:01 < specing> but until I see the source (and can compile it into the same binary), I will expect the worst possible scenario 2015-04-15T02:01:38 < qyx_> expecting the worst possible scenario i won't ever leave the home 2015-04-15T02:01:48 < kakimir> couldn't there be some bread and butter type manufacturer on cpu market this Intel - AMD world bores and annoys me 2015-04-15T02:01:53 < BrainDamage> but what if your compiler is infected :J 2015-04-15T02:01:58 < zyp> expect the worst possible scenario and preach it as truth 2015-04-15T02:02:08 < specing> qyx_: yes, but I doubt you can live a life without ever leaving the home 2015-04-15T02:02:23 < specing> qyx_: but here, you can just use AMD's parts, or de-ME'd core2duos 2015-04-15T02:02:24 < qyx_> and i doubt you can live a life without computers nowadays 2015-04-15T02:02:35 < qyx_> so cope with it, take it as it is 2015-04-15T02:02:37 < specing> qyx_: AMD. 2015-04-15T02:02:41 < zyp> heh 2015-04-15T02:02:43 < qyx_> heh 2015-04-15T02:02:52 < zyp> why would AMD parts be any more trustworthy? 2015-04-15T02:03:02 < specing> security unfortunately means making some sacrifices 2015-04-15T02:03:10 < qyx_> you should wait for those china processors 2015-04-15T02:03:11 < kakimir> they are barelly alive thats why 2015-04-15T02:03:14 < qyx_> zero nsa backdoors 2015-04-15T02:03:20 < qyx_> if you can stand the china ones 2015-04-15T02:03:20 < specing> zyp: < specing> kakimir: you stop using known bad parts 2015-04-15T02:03:31 < kakimir> they don't have time to fuck with you 2015-04-15T02:03:44 < zyp> specing, «known bad» 2015-04-15T02:03:52 < specing> zyp: kakimir: there are no glaring issues with AMD 2015-04-15T02:03:59 < specing> "glaring" 2015-04-15T02:04:15 < zyp> there is nothing more bad about intel parts than amd parts 2015-04-15T02:04:23 < zyp> you know jack shit about how bad either are 2015-04-15T02:04:36 < specing> Anyway, I do not feel this discussion is going anywhere 2015-04-15T02:04:59 < specing> I have told you what I know and I leave you to decide for yourselves 2015-04-15T02:05:05 < kakimir> is arm computing going to take over someday? 2015-04-15T02:05:13 < kakimir> in workstations 2015-04-15T02:05:17 < bradfirj> Look, at the end of the day, if the NSA really wanted to get into your computer, they don't need intel's help to do so 2015-04-15T02:05:45 < bradfirj> If it has a network connection, there are probably enough 0-days in both linux and windows the international intelligence community are saving up for that very reason 2015-04-15T02:05:58 < kakimir> maybe intel may want to have a look too`? 2015-04-15T02:06:13 < bradfirj> If you're important enough for them to burn one of those on your, well, good luck sir 2015-04-15T02:06:20 < bradfirj> Because the black van is probably on its way too 2015-04-15T02:06:27 < zyp> kakimir, as of today, the performance gap is too wide for it to be realistic 2015-04-15T02:07:17 < zyp> but time will tell 2015-04-15T02:07:53 < GargantuaSauce> there is nothing more bad about intel parts than amd parts 2015-04-15T02:07:57 < GargantuaSauce> simd performance! 2015-04-15T02:08:04 < GargantuaSauce> or rather the other way around i guess 2015-04-15T02:08:14 < zyp> :p 2015-04-15T02:08:27 < GargantuaSauce> uh...uh....low-end cost-effectiveness 2015-04-15T02:08:46 < zyp> how is amd vs intel performance nowadays? I thought intel beat amd on everything except price 2015-04-15T02:08:52 < bradfirj> number-present-in-videogame-consoles 2015-04-15T02:08:54 < GargantuaSauce> basically that 2015-04-15T02:09:13 < bradfirj> Ehh top end you can get more cores in an opteron than a Xeon 2015-04-15T02:09:22 < bradfirj> if your app is truely parallel, the opteron will beat it 2015-04-15T02:09:27 < kakimir> hasn't amd always been the stove runnning 1/4 more power and 1/4 more clock? 2015-04-15T02:09:30 < zyp> and considering long term cost due to power consumption, I'm not sure amd is even winning on price 2015-04-15T02:09:39 < bradfirj> That said, if it's that parallel, stick a gpu in, do it 100x quicker 2015-04-15T02:09:56 < GargantuaSauce> if it's that parallel you'll run out of memory bandwidth anyway 2015-04-15T02:10:20 < bradfirj> Depends on the application really 2015-04-15T02:10:45 < GargantuaSauce> yeah. gpgpu definitely wins for most i think 2015-04-15T02:10:45 < bradfirj> One way reduction-style algorithms, in particular medical imaging can use very high one-way bandwidth 2015-04-15T02:10:47 < kakimir> holy clock is already 2am 2015-04-15T02:10:59 < zyp> eh, parallel computing is different from gpgpu 2015-04-15T02:11:00 < bradfirj> Because you're reducing a high res image to a value 2015-04-15T02:11:04 < kakimir> lets move to bed> 2015-04-15T02:11:35 < zyp> an 8-thread parallel app can do 8 different things at once, a gpu can't 2015-04-15T02:11:50 < GargantuaSauce> actually these days they definitely can 2015-04-15T02:11:52 < bradfirj> Oh yeah sure 2015-04-15T02:12:18 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, but at that point you might as well compare single thread performance, where the gpu lose out anyway 2015-04-15T02:12:30 < GargantuaSauce> muh branch prediction 2015-04-15T02:12:40 < zyp> what gpus are good at is doing the same operation to a ton of data at once 2015-04-15T02:12:45 < bradfirj> I wonder where the opterons stand on high density vm deployments 2015-04-15T02:12:47 < bradfirj> like VDI 2015-04-15T02:12:57 < bradfirj> Probably still worse than the Xeon because AMD 2015-04-15T02:13:21 < bradfirj> Though I think that's what HP are targeting with stuff like Moonshot 2015-04-15T02:13:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-15T02:14:29 < zyp> I got some old dual-socket opteron board last week that I'm not sure what to do with 2015-04-15T02:14:39 < zyp> it came with 32G of RAM, so it should be useful for something 2015-04-15T02:15:33 < zyp> but each of the cpus have less than half the coremarks of the 4670 I have in the other box 2015-04-15T02:15:49 < zyp> at the same TDP each :p 2015-04-15T02:16:18 < GargantuaSauce> maybe a nas or something that would benefit from a stupidly large fs cache? 2015-04-15T02:16:37 < zyp> that's what the 4670 box is doing, it also got 32G 2015-04-15T02:16:51 < GargantuaSauce> heh 2015-04-15T02:17:00 < qyx_> much data 2015-04-15T02:17:01 < GargantuaSauce> yeah does sound kinda rendundant then 2015-04-15T02:17:21 < qyx_> virtualization host for.. meh, playing 2015-04-15T02:17:33 < zyp> the 4670 does virtualization too 2015-04-15T02:17:44 < qyx_> are the rams compatible? 2015-04-15T02:17:56 < zyp> no, it's old enough to be ddr2 2015-04-15T02:18:07 < zyp> and 32G is max for the 4670 anyway 2015-04-15T02:18:29 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:19:11 < GargantuaSauce> whatever, 100% efficient space heater 2015-04-15T02:19:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-15T02:20:25 < zyp> yeah, except that I house my servers in uninsulated crawlspace so the heat goes to waste anyway :p 2015-04-15T02:20:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:23:58 < qyx_> the rock has very low remperature resistance 2015-04-15T02:25:24 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-15T02:25:43 < zyp> :) 2015-04-15T02:25:57 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/nmouc.JPG <- upgraded my rack a couple of weeks ago 2015-04-15T02:26:08 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:26:24 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-15T02:26:30 < kakimir> what kind of loads we are talking about when we can talk about heat production? 2015-04-15T02:26:39 < GargantuaSauce> the switchgear looks a little excessive 2015-04-15T02:26:40 < zyp> I didn't want to keep running 10gbe point to point, so I obviously got a 56-port switch cluster to bridge it to my 1g network 2015-04-15T02:27:50 < zyp> kakimir, the problem isn't heat production in itself, the problem is the power bill all that wasted power racks up 2015-04-15T02:27:52 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:28:12 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-15T02:29:13 < karlp> problems with AMD are lots of bios' lock out the virt support. 2015-04-15T02:29:25 < zyp> kakimir, if that heat instead went into the living areas, the thermostate controlled heaters would run equivalently less, and they'd be essentially free to run 2015-04-15T02:29:53 < zyp> karlp, the board I got were some supermicro dual socket server board, should be good 2015-04-15T02:30:18 < zyp> if that doesn't allow virt stuff, I don't know what does :p 2015-04-15T02:30:31 < kakimir> would there be a way to use local server cells as electric heaters in nordic areas ? 2015-04-15T02:30:42 < karlp> yeah, it's more of an issue with the OEMs not with amd per se. 2015-04-15T02:30:57 < kakimir> directly in households 2015-04-15T02:31:10 < kakimir> not via heat distribution 2015-04-15T02:31:20 < karlp> a friend had to do some weird bios hack to enable it on his laptop as it wasn't "designed for such advanced features, you should hav ebought model XXX" 2015-04-15T02:31:23 < BrainDamage> place in the house 2015-04-15T02:31:29 < zyp> karlp, by the way, was it you who did sfp stuff? 2015-04-15T02:32:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:32:12 < zyp> I'm thinking it was either you or jpa- 2015-04-15T02:32:26 < karlp> no, that's ds2 isn' tit? 2015-04-15T02:32:36 < karlp> SFP networkign plug things you mean? 2015-04-15T02:32:40 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-15T02:32:56 < karlp> ds2 or dymk maybe? 2015-04-15T02:33:00 < karlp> d something iirc. 2015-04-15T02:33:03 < zyp> somebody here did workstuff for rewriting eeproms on SFP modules, or something like that 2015-04-15T02:33:11 < dymk> lo 2015-04-15T02:33:26 < dymk> probably wasn't dymk 2015-04-15T02:33:44 < zyp> of course, I could just grep logs 2015-04-15T02:34:13 < zyp> ah, it was dekar 2015-04-15T02:34:22 < qyx_> ah we also did it 2015-04-15T02:34:31 < qyx_> to enable monitoring on some sfp transceivers 2015-04-15T02:35:14 < qyx_> but it was long ago 2015-04-15T02:37:29 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-15T02:48:33 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@pD9EF16E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:48:37 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@pD9EF16E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-15T02:48:37 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:51:30 < GargantuaSauce> latchup? 2015-04-15T02:51:59 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-15T02:52:05 < englishman> hm i just made some of those 2015-04-15T02:52:15 < englishman> tps 6300x 2015-04-15T02:53:00 < englishman> what psu R2COM 2015-04-15T02:53:32 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-15T02:56:22 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvrxaipbcvochqsp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T02:56:41 < ds2> huh? 2015-04-15T02:56:46 < ds2> SFP? 2015-04-15T02:56:48 < ds2> what did I do? 2015-04-15T03:10:57 < englishman> which bench supply 2015-04-15T03:11:19 < englishman> i had one that tripped out kinda as it switched between voltage sources 2015-04-15T03:11:58 < GargantuaSauce> i've definitely gotten mine to oscillate 2015-04-15T03:13:25 < englishman> ADP2504? 2015-04-15T03:13:36 < Laurenceb_> the world’s first smart drone 2015-04-15T03:13:42 < GargantuaSauce> no my shitty linear bench ps 2015-04-15T03:13:44 < Laurenceb_> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2391450 2015-04-15T03:13:58 < englishman> no i was asking R2COM lol 2015-04-15T03:14:04 < GargantuaSauce> durr 2015-04-15T03:14:19 < englishman> trollenceb youre kinda late to the party 2015-04-15T03:14:28 < qyx_> Only drone to stream wireless HD video from GoPro direct to iOS/Android devices 2015-04-15T03:14:34 < qyx_> i may be wrong 2015-04-15T03:14:35 < Laurenceb_> almost as bs as zano 2015-04-15T03:14:40 < GargantuaSauce> zano killer ight there 2015-04-15T03:14:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-15T03:14:51 < qyx_> but sint this able with the gopro itself? 2015-04-15T03:14:55 < qyx_> *isn't 2015-04-15T03:14:58 < qyx_> *possible 2015-04-15T03:15:02 < englishman> qyx_: technically correct, since dji inspire uses its own 4k camera not a gobro 2015-04-15T03:15:19 < englishman> no this isnt possible in gobro 2015-04-15T03:15:32 < qyx_> i am pretty sure that i did this 2015-04-15T03:15:40 < englishman> sure at like 1fps 320x240 2015-04-15T03:15:43 < qyx_> although maybe it wasn't hd 2015-04-15T03:16:19 < englishman> thing is 3dr recently got an additional $50m capital 2015-04-15T03:16:23 < englishman> unlike zano 2015-04-15T03:19:01 < Laurenceb_> lol GoPro 2015-04-15T03:19:07 < Laurenceb_> wonder if it will boot 2015-04-15T03:24:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-15T03:38:30 < GargantuaSauce> gobro definitely does that but it sucks 2015-04-15T03:38:46 < GargantuaSauce> my rule of thumb is if a device acts as a wireless ap, it sucks 2015-04-15T03:39:12 < GargantuaSauce> and if it tries to push video over that tenuous wifi connection it suck even more 2015-04-15T03:41:27 < qyx_> maybe they used the same lantronix things as zano 2015-04-15T03:41:32 < englishman> hey, thats zanos idea! 2015-04-15T03:41:40 < englishman> trolo 2015-04-15T03:55:04 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T03:58:05 < PeterM> [10:04] i managed to get only 3.3mVpp ripple @ 410mA 2015-04-15T03:58:05 < PeterM> [10:04] but higher ripple on lower loads 2015-04-15T03:58:05 < PeterM> [10:04] much higher on even lower loads 2015-04-15T03:58:26 < PeterM> thats because the inductor stays the saem size... 2015-04-15T04:00:39 < PeterM> 2 reasons why, lower current means lower on time, so more spikeyu current wave form, and lower current means you need a higher source impedance to achieve the same output voltage, but since you dont change the inductor, the source impedance stys the same 2015-04-15T04:24:58 < PeterM> thats pretty significant 2015-04-15T04:26:20 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T04:26:21 < PeterM> 3.3mv p-p @ 410 i'd say 15mv-20mv at 300ma wiht same inductor 2015-04-15T04:27:21 < PeterM> yeeesh 2015-04-15T04:27:39 < PeterM> thats a bit higher, yeah 2015-04-15T04:27:53 < PeterM> but 15-20 shouldnt be 8unexpected 2015-04-15T04:28:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-15T04:29:17 < PeterM> 3v to 3v3 is basically burning electricity 2015-04-15T04:30:36 < ds2> how many amps do you need? 2015-04-15T04:30:56 < ds2> what range? 2015-04-15T04:31:15 < ds2> hmm? 2015-04-15T04:31:22 < ds2> +/-50mA on 300 would be 250-350 2015-04-15T04:31:46 < dongs> sup pros 2015-04-15T04:31:51 < ds2> look at the efficiency curve on the datasheet 2015-04-15T04:31:55 < ds2> it should give you some idea 2015-04-15T04:32:13 < PeterM> usually ptimal is somewhere 40-70% range 2015-04-15T04:32:22 < PeterM> sup dongs 2015-04-15T04:32:29 < ds2> 40-70? I have seen stuff claiming 70-90 2015-04-15T04:32:33 < dongs> blogging' 2015-04-15T04:32:49 < PeterM> i mean 40-70% load range is optimal 2015-04-15T04:33:03 < ds2> oh load range :D 2015-04-15T04:33:25 < ds2> what's the resistance of the inductor you using? 2015-04-15T04:33:30 < ds2> and what's the peak switching current? 2015-04-15T04:33:53 < ds2> IIRC, the inductor needs to be able to accomodate the peak switching current not your current in use 2015-04-15T04:34:01 < ds2> otherwise, saturation and bad things happen 2015-04-15T04:34:22 < PeterM> if rippple is better at higher currents, generally you need more inductance but the numbers that R2COM is suggesting is much worse than ballpark calculations would sugest 2015-04-15T04:34:40 < ds2> what about scoping the wave forms on the inductor? 2015-04-15T04:34:50 < ds2> make sure it isn't saturating for some unknown odd reason 2015-04-15T04:35:44 < ds2> does TI tina help? 2015-04-15T04:36:02 < ds2> it is just spice with their libraries 2015-04-15T04:36:31 < PeterM> dongs, ordered a bunchg of the isl9110s and a few shitty boards from oshpark, gonna see how this shit goes 2015-04-15T04:36:45 < dongs> PeterM: did you add some G85 slots to them 2015-04-15T04:36:45 < ds2> but then you have to find models unless you want LT parts ;) 2015-04-15T04:37:00 < PeterM> dongs nah thought yu were doin that 2015-04-15T04:37:29 < PeterM> >considering lt parts 2015-04-15T04:37:36 < PeterM> what are you, made of money 2015-04-15T04:37:55 < PeterM> other people make switchers too 2015-04-15T04:38:15 < PeterM> what is the exact ti part you're replacing and i'll see what i can fing 2015-04-15T04:39:19 < dongs> PeterM: im not ordering a 4L board with just a single slot in it 2015-04-15T04:44:45 < dongs> waht the fuck is a .pcb file 2015-04-15T04:46:19 < dongs> http://www.njr.com/semicon/audio_video/dsp.php?cat=3300 2015-04-15T04:46:20 < dongs> wut 2015-04-15T04:49:00 < dongs> http://www.cccccc.com.tw/ 2015-04-15T04:49:16 < PeterM> dongs NJU26060-03A seems your product, Doge Surround, Featuring such WOW HD 2015-04-15T04:49:59 < dongs> srs tru volume 2015-04-15T04:50:02 < dongs> wow 2015-04-15T04:50:08 < PeterM> HD 2015-04-15T04:50:35 < dongs> the fuck is eala 2015-04-15T04:50:45 < dongs> and not east african legislative assembly 2015-04-15T04:51:49 < dongs> these are teh fucks that made that .pcb 2015-04-15T04:51:54 < dongs> trying to figure out waht the fuck software they used. 2015-04-15T04:52:47 < dongs> those ugly colors is wat 2015-04-15T04:52:48 < dongs> orcad? 2015-04-15T04:53:07 < dongs> or maybe mental graphcis 2015-04-15T04:53:37 < dongs> 11 people workin there 2015-04-15T04:53:54 < dongs> with > 2 years expeirence each 2015-04-15T04:54:17 < dongs> 6-8 days to route 6L board 2015-04-15T04:54:20 < ds2> what are you driving with the boost regulator? 2015-04-15T04:54:45 < ds2> then why do you care so much about the ripple? 2015-04-15T04:55:01 < dongs> R2COM: whats orcad default net names 2015-04-15T04:55:05 < dongs> when you dont explicitly name them 2015-04-15T04:55:20 < dongs> no 2015-04-15T04:55:23 < dongs> net name 2015-04-15T04:55:29 < dongs> when you connect say resistor to a pad on IC 2015-04-15T04:55:38 < dongs> res pin1 -> IC pin 10 or wahtever 2015-04-15T04:55:42 < dongs> waht would be the net name 2015-04-15T04:57:23 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q=2FE18320-6448-11d1-A412-000000000000 2015-04-15T04:57:24 < dongs> great 2015-04-15T04:57:28 < dongs> its some chink PCB 2015-04-15T04:57:30 < dongs> or something 2015-04-15T04:57:30 < PeterM> U1_10? 2015-04-15T04:57:56 < dongs> fuck 2015-04-15T04:57:57 < dongs> it is PADS 2015-04-15T04:57:58 < dongs> lol 2015-04-15T04:58:00 < PeterM> dongs that looks like mental graphics 2015-04-15T04:58:03 < dongs> aye 2015-04-15T04:58:36 < dongs> of course altidong wont import it unless the dicks saved it in .ascii format 2015-04-15T04:59:09 < dongs> What is the PADS Viewer? 2015-04-15T04:59:09 < dongs> Free download! 2015-04-15T04:59:09 < dongs> No time limit 2015-04-15T04:59:09 < dongs> Reads designs from PADS2007.x, PADS 9.x, and PADS VX 2015-04-15T04:59:13 < dongs> no time limit 2015-04-15T04:59:19 < dongs> hoyl fuck, I would ope so 2015-04-15T04:59:20 < dongs> hope 2015-04-15T04:59:32 < dongs> you make your shitty warez, the viewer better be free 2015-04-15T05:00:45 < dongs> > Why are you downloading the PADS Viewer? 2015-04-15T05:00:47 < dongs> Some dickhead sent me a .pcb file 2015-04-15T05:01:12 < dongs> conference over 1-900 number right 2015-04-15T05:01:35 < dongs> 1-900 is like pay per minute 2015-04-15T05:01:39 < dongs> duno if its still around 2015-04-15T05:01:43 < dongs> used to be for porn chat lines and shit 2015-04-15T05:01:47 < dongs> back in 1990 2015-04-15T05:02:11 < dongs> no, i ran the service 2015-04-15T05:02:19 < PeterM> dongs, pads viewer requires activation and shit 2015-04-15T05:02:24 < PeterM> it makes me wanna raeg 2015-04-15T05:02:26 < dongs> PeterM: just noticed that 2015-04-15T05:02:34 < dongs> they emailed it to my +spam account tho 2015-04-15T05:02:47 < dongs> i once gave my real work email to thse fucks 2015-04-15T05:02:50 < PeterM> activation code valid for liek 5 days or soem shit 2015-04-15T05:02:52 < dongs> i keep getting emails from tehse indians 2015-04-15T05:03:01 < dongs> HOW TO IMPROVE YOUR HIGH SPEED PCB LAYOUT 2015-04-15T05:03:03 < dongs> and hshit 2015-04-15T05:04:15 < dongs> yes 2015-04-15T05:04:17 < dongs> it loaded 2015-04-15T05:05:03 < dongs> damn 2015-04-15T05:05:06 < dongs> the UI is so terrible 2015-04-15T05:05:07 < dongs> shit flickers 2015-04-15T05:05:10 < dongs> on everyt change 2015-04-15T05:05:16 < dongs> drawing is slow as shit too 2015-04-15T05:06:11 < PeterM> looks like 1990 cad program wiht ui elements shoehorned in from a mroe modern operating sustem, like windows 98 2015-04-15T05:08:14 < dongs> and these assholes 2015-04-15T05:08:19 < dongs> didnt set origin to anything sane 2015-04-15T05:08:24 < dongs> all the parts on teh board are like negative offset 2015-04-15T05:08:28 < dongs> still cant figure out from what point tho 2015-04-15T05:08:48 < dongs> oh 2015-04-15T05:08:53 < dongs> origin is top right of the pcb. 2015-04-15T05:09:03 < dongs> that totally makes sense 2015-04-15T05:09:25 < dongs> R2PRO: where do you set your design origin 2015-04-15T05:09:42 < dongs> I need to know so i can be more pro 2015-04-15T05:12:00 < dongs> jpa-: haha did you hear, smoothieBORED PRO will use LPC43xx, and V2 PRO will use fucking intel edison + FPGA 2015-04-15T05:12:17 < dongs> FPGA for step generation 2015-04-15T05:12:27 < dongs> what the fuck how about just using something that works yanno like a proper driver 2015-04-15T05:13:05 < PeterM> or just fuckign use a micro properly 2015-04-15T05:13:25 < dongs> well, they might be fucked with LPC anyway 2015-04-15T05:13:38 < dongs> it only has like one hardware output timer 2015-04-15T05:13:44 < dongs> the 17xx anyway that they're using 2015-04-15T05:13:47 < dongs> with 6 pwm outputs 2015-04-15T05:13:52 < dongs> that all have to be same period 2015-04-15T05:13:56 < dongs> so fucking pro 2015-04-15T05:14:17 < dongs> I just got spam from freescale/NXP merger thing 2015-04-15T05:14:23 < dongs> unfortunately they're not killing off kinetis 2015-04-15T05:14:30 < dongs> at least, they aren't saying it right away. 2015-04-15T05:14:38 < PeterM> dongs atleast not entirely 2015-04-15T05:15:00 < PeterM> they nrnd'd about 150 chips though 2015-04-15T05:15:18 < dongs> oh yea? of kinetis? 2015-04-15T05:15:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T05:16:13 < englishman> lol so gay 2015-04-15T05:16:17 < dongs> R2COM: if you buy Star Citizen, you can later spend $10k real money to buy an in-game star cruiser 2015-04-15T05:17:07 < PeterM> mmhm, i did a search all cortex m4, sort by price and was like "huh... aweful lot of freescale in hte bargin bin, i wonder why, oh, nrnd" 2015-04-15T05:20:10 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-15T05:23:23 < dongs> realistic dongs 2015-04-15T05:23:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T05:26:23 < dongs> o well. this layout is pretty pro 2015-04-15T05:26:26 < dongs> i wonder how much these guys charge for it 2015-04-15T05:26:31 < dongs> only problem of course is they use pads 2015-04-15T05:35:36 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32313599 2015-04-15T05:36:01 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvrxaipbcvochqsp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-15T05:39:00 < PeterM> In July 2013, Asiana Airlines flight 214 from Incheon crashed on landing at San Francisco airport after its tail clipped a sea wall. 2015-04-15T05:39:04 < PeterM> Three people died in the crash - including one Chinese teenager who was run over by a firefighting vehicle in the chaos. 2015-04-15T05:39:13 < PeterM> lol'd 2015-04-15T05:41:08 < PeterM> the luck - "phew, survived crash, o shi-" *firetruck* 2015-04-15T05:42:14 < dongs> i think i fly aznana to best korea 2015-04-15T05:42:22 < dongs> i hope they dont try this shit while im on board 2015-04-15T05:44:01 < PeterM> >joke 2015-04-15T05:44:08 < PeterM> >i couldnt live without dongs 2015-04-15T05:44:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-15T05:46:13 < dongs> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/117/484/1jrp.jpg 2015-04-15T05:49:52 < englishman> theres video of the truck running over the kid 2015-04-15T05:49:56 < englishman> its so fucking dumb 2015-04-15T05:50:00 < englishman> someone pulls her out 2015-04-15T05:50:04 < englishman> then just leaves her there 2015-04-15T05:50:13 < englishman> and everyone else assumes she is already dead 2015-04-15T05:50:15 < englishman> super pro 2015-04-15T05:51:16 < englishman> R2COM: efficiency curve of adp is horrible compared to tps 2015-04-15T05:51:18 < englishman> wonder why 2015-04-15T05:51:57 < englishman> oh maybe ti curve is "power save mode" without telling you 2015-04-15T05:52:10 < englishman> as it resembles adp "power save mode" efficiency 2015-04-15T05:52:18 < dongs> whoa dont feel like doing ANYTHING today. 2015-04-15T05:52:49 < PeterM> go take a quad for a swim 2015-04-15T05:53:24 < dongs> all the old dudes near here died 2015-04-15T05:53:40 < dongs> out of ~10 rice fields in front of my place only 2 are growing this year 2015-04-15T05:53:47 < dongs> so no more quad splashdowns 2015-04-15T05:54:18 < englishman> can i buy cheap property and be your neighbour 2015-04-15T05:55:27 < englishman> its warm where you are right 2015-04-15T05:55:48 < dongs> 23C avg this week 2015-04-15T05:57:05 < englishman> it was -20 at the beginning of last month 2015-04-15T05:57:18 < englishman> yesterday it was 22 2015-04-15T06:05:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-15T06:05:44 < dongs> cool 2015-04-15T06:06:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T06:23:26 < dongs> > japan 2015-04-15T06:23:27 < dongs> > fun 2015-04-15T06:23:30 < dongs> > do anything 2015-04-15T06:23:32 < dongs> wat 2015-04-15T06:23:53 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T06:24:40 < dongs> cuz theytre old 2015-04-15T06:25:26 < dongs> assburgers 2015-04-15T06:30:25 < dongs> god damn 2015-04-15T06:30:30 < dongs> this chink sent me shitty wires right 2015-04-15T06:30:39 < dongs> i send email with pics "you used cloned shit, explain" 2015-04-15T06:31:13 < dongs> there are 2 types of connectors on each end. he used clonez for #1 end and original f or #2. I tell him, you used fakes for #1. He replies back "Yes, do not worry, we used originals for #2". 2015-04-15T06:31:17 < dongs> no shit 2015-04-15T06:32:40 < englishman> R2COM: theres a 1A version of adp too 2015-04-15T06:33:11 < englishman> ah 2015-04-15T06:33:23 < englishman> and theres no lower ver of tps 2015-04-15T06:34:48 < dongs> why ou dont do like zano 2015-04-15T06:34:50 < dongs> LM1117, done 2015-04-15T06:35:37 < dongs> simulating caps, wow 2015-04-15T06:35:39 < dongs> much pro 2015-04-15T06:36:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-15T06:36:33 < englishman> then you go buy cheap china fakes for production 2015-04-15T06:36:37 < GargantuaSauce> can it tell you how it's gonna perform after sitting at 70C for two years? 2015-04-15T06:37:32 < englishman> can you simulate how it will work after sitting at 5000C for five minutes 2015-04-15T06:42:59 < dongs> simulate the troll instead 2015-04-15T06:53:35 < dongs> nice permissions bro 2015-04-15T06:53:48 < dongs> upload your photos/media/files over unrestricted network connection and watch your wifi status 2015-04-15T06:54:00 < dongs> oh and read device ID and call info 2015-04-15T06:54:03 < dongs> surely needed for a game 2015-04-15T06:59:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T07:04:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-15T07:05:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T07:06:26 < dongs> apparently ccccccc.tw charged like 900bux for 2L layout 2015-04-15T07:06:37 < dongs> for 90x150mm board 2015-04-15T07:06:51 < dongs> not my project 2015-04-15T07:07:22 < dongs> no that one i linked before 2015-04-15T07:07:28 < dongs> < dongs> http://www.cccccc.com.tw/ 2015-04-15T07:07:29 < dongs> but yeah 2015-04-15T07:07:58 < dongs> it means C & C CAD AND CAM 2015-04-15T07:08:16 < dongs> hm, extra Cs 2015-04-15T07:08:18 < dongs> no idea then 2015-04-15T07:08:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T07:08:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-15T07:08:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T07:08:26 < dongs> the're cccccccccccontradicting themselves. 2015-04-15T07:09:25 < PeterM> corn chips, cad, cam, command and conquer 2015-04-15T07:18:33 < dongs> < dongs> R2PRO: where do you set your design origin 2015-04-15T07:20:18 < englishman> at 0,0 2015-04-15T07:21:33 < PeterM> -.- 2015-04-15T07:23:24 < dongs> i set mine at ^_^ 2015-04-15T07:28:23 < PeterM> seriously though, bottom left 2015-04-15T07:29:13 < dongs> god damn 2015-04-15T07:29:18 < dongs> i just learned the SUPER AWESOME excel hax 2015-04-15T07:29:30 < dongs> if ytou wanna negate a bunch of numbers in a table 2015-04-15T07:29:38 < dongs> put "-1" in a empty cell somewehre, copy it 2015-04-15T07:29:45 < dongs> select shit you wanna negate, paste special 2015-04-15T07:29:50 < dongs> then choose multiply, and OK 2015-04-15T07:29:53 < dongs> boom insta negate 2015-04-15T07:30:48 < dongs> .. ^ fucking orcad queer 2015-04-15T07:32:14 < PeterM> for round boards or boards with no flat edges i set origin ot board centre 2015-04-15T07:38:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.124] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T07:41:13 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-15T07:45:25 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-15T07:48:01 < upgrdman> dongs, not sure if you or simon would know the answer, but: regarding BLDC motors, some have shafts that spins freely, like a BB, while most have that strong magnetic "detent" type of feel when you turn the shaft by hand. guessing it's due to the magnets and shape of the armature? and is there a trade off between the free-spinning style and the normal style? 2015-04-15T07:54:51 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T07:57:40 < dongs> upgrdman: it is just how strong/close the mangets are 2015-04-15T07:57:51 < upgrdman> sure 2015-04-15T07:57:52 < upgrdman> but 2015-04-15T07:57:58 < dongs> i am not sure if one is better than another 2015-04-15T07:58:05 < upgrdman> is there a benefit to .. 2015-04-15T07:58:06 < upgrdman> o ok 2015-04-15T08:02:00 < PeterM> closer magnets would result in better efficiency/coupling no? but further out magnets would give more torque 2015-04-15T08:02:57 < Simon--> upgrdman: I've heard some varying theories on that when it comes to efficiency.. there was some stuff on endless-sphere.com forums I think about flux ring thickness, etc.. 2015-04-15T08:03:20 < upgrdman> there's only magnets in the rotor, correct? 2015-04-15T08:03:23 < upgrdman> err 2015-04-15T08:03:26 < Simon--> you can also get coreless inrunners etc too 2015-04-15T08:03:27 < upgrdman> permanent magnets 2015-04-15T08:03:36 < upgrdman> ya 2015-04-15T08:03:50 < dongs> lol zano is posting from shill accounts 2015-04-15T08:03:56 < dongs> I live in Pembrokeshire and managed to have a visit to Torquing today - and WOW! 2015-04-15T08:03:59 < dongs> Ivan showed me around and I was really impressed to see the level of commitment to quality and development that really will be market-leading when deliveries start. 2015-04-15T08:04:02 < dongs> Zano is even better in real life and I can't wait - I just have to check my order to make sure I've ordered the deluxe case and high capacity batteries - plus a power stick. 2015-04-15T08:04:06 < dongs> I'm already thinking of things I can't wait to do. 2015-04-15T08:04:08 < dongs> One thing though - everyone is really busy so don't try to just turn up as it wouldn't be fair. 2015-04-15T08:04:12 < dongs> It's going to be fun! 2015-04-15T08:04:41 < PeterM> for real? 2015-04-15T08:05:30 < dongs> who tehfuck visits a place 2015-04-15T08:05:34 < dongs> and the only thing he can say is 2015-04-15T08:05:41 < dongs> "will be market-leading" 2015-04-15T08:05:51 < PeterM> NDA 2015-04-15T08:05:51 < dongs> also: that guy signed up in jan 2015, only backed zano, and only has one comment 2015-04-15T08:05:54 < dongs> totally legit 2015-04-15T08:05:55 < PeterM> but still shill 2015-04-15T08:15:24 < upgrdman> oh japan http://i.imgur.com/SmmJJcd.jpg 2015-04-15T08:17:31 < dongs> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/14/mom-batted-away-bee-when-stroller-went-into-canal-killing-18-month-old-twins/?intcmp=latestnews 2015-04-15T08:17:46 < dongs> upgrdman: old 2015-04-15T08:18:04 < dongs> its some fucking festival 2015-04-15T08:18:08 < dongs> around end of march/start of april 2015-04-15T08:18:09 < dongs> or something 2015-04-15T08:18:10 < dongs> i duno 2015-04-15T08:18:12 < dongs> useless shit 2015-04-15T08:19:01 < PeterM> it is clearly your festival dongs 2015-04-15T08:20:54 < dongs> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100914142928AAyTBBe 2015-04-15T08:21:38 < upgrdman> dongs, you might like this quad camera video: http://i.imgur.com/ivu7txP.gifv 2015-04-15T08:22:59 < dongs> at leat not DJI 2015-04-15T08:25:44 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T08:26:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-15T08:26:45 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T08:45:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-15T08:45:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T08:51:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-15T08:52:00 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T08:52:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.124] has quit [] 2015-04-15T08:56:17 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-15T08:56:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.60] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T08:59:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-15T09:08:58 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T09:24:20 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-15T09:24:47 < dongs> is it common for 3.3V oscillators to run down to 1.8V 2015-04-15T09:30:24 < dongs> http://wondermark.com/c1114/ 2015-04-15T09:30:45 < PeterM> no idea but i could see it - i see a lot of mcus that are 1.8-3v3 so it makes sense for oscillators that follow 2015-04-15T09:34:19 < dongs> i got one hjere i guess i can nigger up 1.8V supply and try it 2015-04-15T09:34:22 < dongs> and see if it still oscilaltez 2015-04-15T09:41:03 < PeterM> do you got a datashit for the oscillator? 2015-04-15T09:41:33 < dongs> > china 2015-04-15T09:41:38 < dongs> she doesnt even know the maker/brand/anythign 2015-04-15T09:41:46 < PeterM> fairy snuff 2015-04-15T09:42:14 < dongs> so pro it hurts 2015-04-15T09:42:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T09:43:31 < PeterM> shenzhen oscillator and crystal co limtied 2015-04-15T09:46:37 < dongs> works 2015-04-15T09:47:00 < dongs> orderin' reel 2015-04-15T09:48:53 < PeterM> did you test a bit lwer than 1.8 too , like 1.6, and did you hit it with the hot air jsut to make sure shes still good at above ambient 2015-04-15T09:49:01 < PeterM> or you dont give fuck 2015-04-15T09:49:24 < dongs> surely not at this point 2015-04-15T09:49:29 < dongs> had to employ spawn to hold scope probe in place 2015-04-15T09:49:38 < PeterM> hahahaha 2015-04-15T09:49:44 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-15T09:49:46 < dongs> while i was pressing 1.8V source to power the shit 2015-04-15T09:49:55 < dongs> into 3225 package 2015-04-15T09:50:05 < ReadError> shouldnt they be in school playing with those wood sliding calculators!?! 2015-04-15T09:50:16 < emeb_mac> now there's a reason to have kids that I'd not thought of 2015-04-15T09:50:25 < PeterM> you dont have copius amounts of thin magnet wirew sittin around? 2015-04-15T09:50:34 < ReadError> kynar <3 2015-04-15T09:50:59 < PeterM> kynar is crap because you have top strip it, mahgnet wire is great because you can jsut burn off the thin coating 2015-04-15T09:51:05 < dongs> i dont wanna ruin the oscillator 2015-04-15T09:51:08 < dongs> i will be using them later. 2015-04-15T09:51:11 < dongs> so i didnt wanna solder shit down. 2015-04-15T09:51:19 < ReadError> PeterM i actually got some good strippers a bit back 2015-04-15T09:51:23 < ReadError> they will strip it nice 2015-04-15T09:51:25 < PeterM> you're ordering a reel, who gives a fuck 2015-04-15T09:51:36 < ReadError> before i was just melting and that was a pita ;9 2015-04-15T09:53:28 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-243-24.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T09:54:50 < dongs> http://makezine.com/2015/03/19/massimo-banzi-fighting-for-arduino/ bahaha 2015-04-15T10:04:13 < baird> "Those millions are rightfully mine!" 2015-04-15T10:04:35 < baird> slas 2015-04-15T10:09:12 < dongs> haha classy 2015-04-15T10:09:25 < dongs> the e-paper screen came pre-loaded with some chinese advertisement on it 2015-04-15T10:10:24 < PeterM> "tangu fo buying from nihao e-paper display shenzhen co ltd" 2015-04-15T10:11:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnPaQ9B2A8 lol'd 2015-04-15T10:12:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-15T10:20:41 < jpa-> dongs: they always do, proves that they work ;) 2015-04-15T10:20:49 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T10:21:21 < dongs> jpa-: right lol 2015-04-15T10:22:42 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T10:23:30 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T10:37:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-15T10:37:21 < ReadError> question, is there an ADC thats affordable and fast enough to be used for noise detection on power? 2015-04-15T10:37:34 < ReadError> sub 1MHz 2015-04-15T10:37:49 < jpa-> stm32f3? 2015-04-15T10:39:08 < ReadError> hmm suppose that could sample fast enough, need divider 2015-04-15T10:40:27 < ReadError> 5 Msps 2015-04-15T10:40:29 < ReadError> oh wow, okay 2015-04-15T10:40:40 < dongs> wut 2015-04-15T10:40:49 < jpa-> there are two of them, you can interleave for 10 MSps 2015-04-15T10:41:46 < ReadError> app note mentions 4 instances 2015-04-15T10:41:54 < jpa-> well yeah, depends on model 2015-04-15T10:42:55 < ReadError> that should work nice, need to find some SD/filesystem stuff to use now and ill be in business 2015-04-15T10:45:05 < dongs> zano it up 2015-04-15T10:45:10 < dongs> meaure noise of OLM1117 2015-04-15T10:46:39 < jpa-> ReadError: if you plan to log at high speed to SD card, remember to reserve enough buffer ram (atleast for 100ms of data, but preferrably 500ms) 2015-04-15T10:47:06 < ReadError> yes i am trying to log power noise dongs 2015-04-15T10:47:06 < dongs> jpa, zano guys didnt know this 2015-04-15T10:47:32 < ReadError> in terms of getting usable data, should I have a filtered channel and then the 'raw' ? 2015-04-15T10:47:34 < jpa-> dongs: it has bitten me also 2015-04-15T10:48:02 < dongs> jpa, but you don't have 3 mil gbp 2015-04-15T10:48:05 < jpa-> ReadError: depends on what you want to find 2015-04-15T10:48:17 < jpa-> dongs: yeah :( 2015-04-15T10:51:31 < dongs> Innovation Profile: The ZANO, A Personal Micro-Drone | #Drones and Society http://bit.ly/1bNvhR3 @FlyZANO 2015-04-15T10:52:01 < dongs> "innovation profile" added to my vocabulary 2015-04-15T10:52:29 < jpa-> "visionary" used to mean "impractical", now it means kickstarter 2015-04-15T10:53:49 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luEaqIl_VOc attn zyp 2015-04-15T10:56:40 < ReadError> hrm wtf 2015-04-15T10:56:41 < ReadError> https://github.com/firepick-delta/firepick-delta/commit/74f1a491d9bd600db2aca21263e07a53228c2f5f 2015-04-15T10:56:47 < ReadError> is github rendering STLs for yall? 2015-04-15T10:56:59 < ReadError> or do i have some unknown plugin installed 2015-04-15T10:58:05 < PeterM> i sure dont have a plugin and it renders 2015-04-15T10:58:51 < jpa-> yep, renders here also 2015-04-15T10:58:59 < ReadError> wow alright thats new i guess 2015-04-15T11:04:15 < RaYmAn> ReadError: https://github.com/blog/1465-stl-file-viewing ;) 2015-04-15T11:04:37 < ReadError> 2013, guess I never noticed.. 2015-04-15T11:11:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.253] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:16:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:26:15 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-15T11:28:40 < dongs> rendering 2015-04-15T11:29:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-15T11:30:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.253] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:38:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-15T11:38:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.253] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:42:53 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:50:21 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-15T11:51:13 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:52:22 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/2FL6wvD.jpg 2015-04-15T11:52:32 < ReadError> some of these drills are pretty off 2015-04-15T11:53:09 < ReadError> is it a good practice to use a larger ring to compensate for fab tolerances? 2015-04-15T11:54:21 < jpa-> well, you should be able to trust the fab specifications 2015-04-15T11:54:44 < PeterM> ReadError, theres no breakout so thats considered "fine" but yah, there is a drill tolerance spec published from the fab that you should always take into account 2015-04-15T11:54:47 < jpa-> also even though those are quite much off, it is no danger to the operation 2015-04-15T11:55:27 < ReadError> yea these seem fine but another mil or so off and it would be outside of the ring 2015-04-15T11:55:37 < jpa-> i would be more worried about how the silkscreen texts are mirrored ;) 2015-04-15T11:55:37 < ReadError> was just wondering about best practices really 2015-04-15T11:55:56 < ReadError> oh thats my shitty usb camera, dont have software installed so using photobooth 2015-04-15T11:55:56 < PeterM> ReadError, if they broke out you could just tell them to remake the boards because you were workign wihtin their specified capabilities 2015-04-15T11:55:57 < qyx_> jpa-: :D 2015-04-15T11:56:12 < jpa-> best practice is to use a fab that can meet and exceed its promises 2015-04-15T11:56:17 < PeterM> ^ 2015-04-15T11:56:19 < ReadError> it makes moving it around fun 2015-04-15T11:56:27 < jpa-> though you can of course downgrade the specs of bad fabs 2015-04-15T11:57:12 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T11:57:22 < PeterM> but, with OSHpark if you have issues and your design meets their rules you can tell em to remake and they will 2015-04-15T11:57:31 < PeterM> that doesnt help if they waste your time but still 2015-04-15T11:57:48 < jpa-> what i wouldn't do, however, is making some vias larger because "they can fit in this point and it decreases the probability of fails" - that's something pretty common with DIY pcbs but shouldn't be necessary with real fabs 2015-04-15T11:58:12 < ReadError> PeterM my last batch apparently the drill broke 2015-04-15T11:58:23 < ReadError> and ended up missing a bunch of holes on some boards 2015-04-15T11:58:44 < ReadError> feel worse for the people with more expensive boards that didnt notice 2015-04-15T11:59:05 < PeterM> thats shitty QC from oshparks fabs right there 2015-04-15T11:59:18 < qyx_> huh, no electrical check? 2015-04-15T12:00:08 < ReadError> qyx_ well it was 1 size drill I guess 2015-04-15T12:01:14 < _Sync_> so what? 2015-04-15T12:01:22 < _Sync_> every pcb drill has drill breakage detection 2015-04-15T12:01:31 < _Sync_> somebody just pushed the continue button 2015-04-15T12:01:39 < ReadError> oh ;/ 2015-04-15T12:02:06 < PeterM> usually they autochange on breakage and mark the board 2015-04-15T12:02:31 < PeterM> obvs someone didnt give a fuck 2015-04-15T12:04:21 < _Sync_> yup 2015-04-15T12:06:26 < PeterM> ReadError, despite it not being a big deal, i'd still expect a "remake" 2015-04-15T12:09:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-15T12:09:39 < ReadError> http://lag.lt/screens/misc/lektuveliai/oshpark_mosd_4layer.jpg 2015-04-15T12:09:43 < ReadError> this passed QA too ;p 2015-04-15T12:10:03 < ReadError> route inside the outline 2015-04-15T12:10:26 < qyx_> wat 2015-04-15T12:10:39 < qyx_> is this supposed to be a puzzle? 2015-04-15T12:11:13 < ReadError> heh 2015-04-15T12:11:30 < ReadError> well you can see where the rats teeth are, that should be where the board online was 2015-04-15T12:11:42 < ReadError> but the router did an inside profile instead of outside I guess.. 2015-04-15T12:12:00 < ReadError> worst part is, nobody noticed and still sent 2015-04-15T12:16:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:17:44 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-15T12:23:11 < _Sync_> idiots 2015-04-15T12:23:57 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:26:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-15T12:27:37 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:28:05 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:29:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-15T12:29:38 < PeterM> well thats *one*way of getting your holes castellated 2015-04-15T12:31:57 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-15T12:33:12 < dongs> < ReadError> route inside the outline 2015-04-15T12:33:18 < dongs> this looks more like eagle cockup than anything else 2015-04-15T12:33:33 < ReadError> dongs no 2015-04-15T12:33:44 < ReadError> it was the same gerbers i had made sucessfully 2015-04-15T12:33:50 < ReadError> he ordered the shared project 2015-04-15T12:33:53 < ReadError> fab screwed it up 2015-04-15T12:48:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:50:07 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:53:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.61] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T12:58:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-15T13:01:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.61] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T13:02:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-15T13:24:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-15T13:36:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.189] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T13:54:27 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-15T13:55:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-15T13:56:18 < karlp> any of you chibios users have any input on how far apart chibios 2.6.x stable and chibios 3.x have diverged? 2015-04-15T13:57:32 < jpa-> i haven't actually tried 3.0 yet in practice, but i would say significant amount of changes, but most of them quite small and simple 2015-04-15T13:57:58 < jpa-> not much new to learn but will take some work to port code 2015-04-15T13:59:39 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T14:02:05 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-15T14:18:07 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-15T14:20:48 < bradfirj> So with NXP buying Freescale, will they merge the Cortex-M lines, or will there be no difference as far as the end user is concerned? 2015-04-15T14:32:38 < jpa-> i would assume merge in new products, no immediate effect on old products 2015-04-15T14:33:44 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=46&v=_cktlY8JfvQ how to be cool 2015-04-15T14:34:39 < kakimir> just ball bearings installed under pallet 2015-04-15T14:34:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icjbnfatdcsllfgs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-15T14:36:41 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T14:37:36 < kakimir> I bet it's illegal 2015-04-15T14:39:16 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-15T14:39:48 < zyp> of course it's illegal, everything fun is 2015-04-15T14:40:12 < qyx_> lol it's here 2015-04-15T14:40:49 < qyx_> but old 2015-04-15T14:41:19 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T14:41:19 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-15T14:41:19 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T14:59:51 < dongs> bradfirj: i hope othey kill off kinetis, PeterM said they already NRND'd like 150 of them. 2015-04-15T15:00:28 < zyp> wonder what'll happen with the vybrid 2015-04-15T15:00:44 < dongs> vywhat 2015-04-15T15:00:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-15T15:00:45 < dongs> wtf is that? 2015-04-15T15:00:58 < bradfirj> dongs: Like, since the merger or prior 2015-04-15T15:01:04 < dongs> bradfirj: since merger 2015-04-15T15:01:27 < zyp> dongs, that hybrid shit with A5 and M4 2015-04-15T15:01:36 < bradfirj> Well optimistically, smaller product portfolio + more fab capacity = lower unit price 2015-04-15T15:01:39 < bradfirj> :crosses fingers: 2015-04-15T15:01:50 < dongs> why are you using either of those thigns anyway 2015-04-15T15:01:59 < dongs> NXP mcus blew ass, and kinetis was trash too 2015-04-15T15:02:15 < bradfirj> Really? Interesting 2015-04-15T15:02:25 < bradfirj> Like I said yesterday in here, I've yet to see an objective comparison 2015-04-15T15:02:30 < zyp> eh, NXP seems decent enough 2015-04-15T15:02:36 < bradfirj> If I went to ##lpc (or whatever the channel is) would I get the same reaction? :) 2015-04-15T15:02:51 < dongs> try #arduino in stead 2015-04-15T15:03:12 < bradfirj> Yeah they love LPC because they ship a PDIP and soldering is hard 2015-04-15T15:03:22 < bradfirj> Not exactly what I was asking 2015-04-15T15:03:28 < zyp> LPC got some peripherals that STM32 lacks, but they also do some dumb shit that STM32 doesn't 2015-04-15T15:03:54 < zyp> built in HS USB PHY is also nice 2015-04-15T15:04:20 < zyp> but the pin mapping is a complete mess 2015-04-15T15:04:22 < bradfirj> Then you have the Atmel offerings, but given their track record with production capacity and dropping parts within 5 years I wouldn't be sure 2015-04-15T15:04:22 < dongs> have you done anything with that board other than blinkkng leds 2015-04-15T15:04:40 < zyp> no, I never bothered dealing with the fucking pin mapping :p 2015-04-15T15:04:42 < dongs> you can always go use TI Stellaris^WTiva^WMSP432 2015-04-15T15:06:50 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Awxwi <- here's the lpc43xx pin map, to illustrate what I'm talking about 2015-04-15T15:07:30 < zyp> note how gpio number is a completely different thing from pin number, and gpio isn't even mapped on the same function on all pins 2015-04-15T15:08:37 < zyp> so you even need a table of which function gpio is on each pin, just to say «set this pin to gpio mode» 2015-04-15T15:10:18 < zyp> on stm32, most peripherals have all their signals on a particular AF number, so you can usually just make a list of pins for that peripheral and say «set all these pins to AF7» 2015-04-15T15:10:48 < bradfirj> Yarp, it's good 2015-04-15T15:10:56 < bradfirj> Is the kinetis like that or like the nxp I wonder 2015-04-15T15:11:19 < zyp> dunno, never touched one 2015-04-15T15:11:41 < zyp> I think the TI chips are like stm32 2015-04-15T15:12:01 < zyp> but the TI chips have completely dumb USB :p 2015-04-15T15:13:05 < zyp> «here's a packet on EP0 for you, oh, I don't know if it's a SETUP packet or a data packet, I hope you keep track of what you expect yourself» 2015-04-15T15:13:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-15T15:13:44 < Fleck> ;p 2015-04-15T15:13:55 < zyp> as if you always know what to expect 2015-04-15T15:13:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T15:14:44 < zyp> good luck coping with the host not sending you that data it said it would but doing another setup packet instead 2015-04-15T15:15:30 < zyp> or something like that, it's been a few years since I touched it 2015-04-15T15:17:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T15:25:03 < bradfirj> Heh youshould try fibre channel drivers 2015-04-15T15:25:54 < bradfirj> Not only may the target device be sending me weird shit, every intermediate hop on the path is an active device which can send messages to you as well 2015-04-15T15:37:50 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T15:37:50 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-15T15:37:50 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T15:48:30 < zyp> bradfirj, what do you mean? 2015-04-15T15:49:01 < zyp> I used to run fibre channel, I'm not sure what you refer to :p 2015-04-15T15:50:15 < dongs> maybe hes talking layer 0 2015-04-15T15:58:24 < dongs> dicknplacing some shit before NEST faggot wastes the rest of my week 2015-04-15T15:58:38 < zyp> heh 2015-04-15T15:59:16 < karlp> some good splats if you're into that kinda thing: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-15/big-swell-at-margaret-river-pro/6395384 2015-04-15T16:00:49 < baird> 'straya 2015-04-15T16:01:32 < karlp> no, that weird place on the left that's sorta similar, but all the plants and animals are subtley different. 2015-04-15T16:01:53 < karlp> stroya perhaps? 2015-04-15T16:03:32 < baird> It's south of Perth, 'straya it is. 2015-04-15T16:03:51 < PaulFertser> dongs: first pic on "NEST faggot" on google: https://encrypted.google.com/url?q=http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4607772/Not%2Bthe%2Bbees/64&sa=U&ei=kGEuVfSOGsu3sQGWrYH4BQ&ved=0CBUQ9QEwAA&usg=AFQjCNE6ay-eAHZWYl7eOF3hGmpOgHBlYA 2015-04-15T16:04:15 < dongs> PaulFertser: i blogged earlier. 2015-04-15T16:04:20 < dongs> some dickhead who thinks hes t he next NEST 2015-04-15T16:04:26 < dongs> with some shitty dehumifidier project 2015-04-15T16:05:06 < dongs> internet enabled assdroid-running IoT garbage 2015-04-15T16:05:12 < dongs> its almost liek a real-life dickstarter 2015-04-15T16:05:30 < baird> A Talbot Bay Pro would be Gnarly. 2015-04-15T16:10:46 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-15T16:10:58 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T16:11:23 < karlp> baird: I know where the margaret river was, I trying to make a WA<->rest of aus jok. nvm though :) 2015-04-15T16:15:56 < baird> I've observed that Western Australia was populated by guys avoiding their ex-wives. A few of them got custody of their daughters, so a near-viable population was able to form. 2015-04-15T16:18:28 < bradfirj> zyp: I was referring to working at the interface layer between FC ans FCoE, the manuals call it layer 2.5 :p 2015-04-15T16:18:48 < bradfirj> We had issues with PFC that has to be debugged in the driver, less than fun 2015-04-15T16:19:48 < zyp> oh, heh 2015-04-15T16:34:22 < Laurenceb> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=2_days&mc=-40.92967,-218.51366 2015-04-15T16:34:28 < Laurenceb> approaching aussieland 2015-04-15T16:48:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ESY7jLaegCA 2015-04-15T16:51:12 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bkmxqgojqgetsrom] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T17:00:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-15T17:12:42 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/617/823/c35c50f7099862e5b1b188bb3889cde8_original.jpg?v=1429102598&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=5be920746f938485ed1af069e8267bc3 2015-04-15T17:12:45 < dongs> ohhh 2015-04-15T17:12:48 < dongs> new zano PCBs 2015-04-15T17:12:58 < dongs> still just as dumb 2015-04-15T17:13:18 < Laurenceb> see if they used ambarella 2015-04-15T17:13:27 < Laurenceb> they could try to make it less fail than gopro 2015-04-15T17:13:30 < dongs> Our goal with the modifications on this iteration was to increase the electronic noise immunity, as well as reduce the operating voltage of the main electronic circuitry in order to further optimise the flight time 2015-04-15T17:13:34 < dongs> haha 2015-04-15T17:13:41 < dongs> translation: we found out lipo drops below 3.3V 2015-04-15T17:13:45 < dongs> and LM1117 doens't work so well 2015-04-15T17:13:47 < zyp> haha 2015-04-15T17:14:01 < dongs> (they still kept lm1117 2015-04-15T17:14:25 < Laurenceb> sepic all the way 2015-04-15T17:14:34 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/617/829/d988ed27df62c730c001c91a600cde1d_original.jpg?v=1429102672&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=12abceefdce6fb14a82e90dcd8506a11 2015-04-15T17:14:40 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/617/830/466dca5e91b5aaad7239ad88372b33e8_original.jpg?v=1429102685&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=110e6845327a7c040ceb11d6dcadd99f 2015-04-15T17:14:44 < zyp> septic 2015-04-15T17:14:49 < dongs> they're g etting ready to do zano flight videos 2015-04-15T17:15:05 < _Sync_> kek 2015-04-15T17:15:11 < Laurenceb> lawl second life 2015-04-15T17:15:13 < kakimir> zano the game? 2015-04-15T17:16:55 < dongs> With over 30 years of experience in manufacturing consumer electronics, the wealth of knowledge Camtronics has brought to the table has been vital in ensuring that we have preempted any potential hiccups that may occur in the manufacturing process and may slow us down. 2015-04-15T17:17:04 < dongs> how fucking long does it take with 30 years of experience 2015-04-15T17:17:10 < dongs> that PCB would take me like half a day to setup on my dicknplace 2015-04-15T17:17:22 < dongs> they've been talking about this 500 "pilot build" since like january 2015-04-15T17:17:24 < dongs> its fucking april 2015-04-15T17:18:14 < _Sync_> je 2015-04-15T17:18:36 < dongs> The rest of Creating ZANO Part 6 will focus on the SDK and the communication protocol which allows developers to be able to interact and develop applications for ZANO. 2015-04-15T17:18:48 < dongs> pretty sure none of the idiots who backed give a shit about SDK 2015-04-15T17:22:31 -!- vvirag [~vvirag@unaffiliated/vvirag] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T17:23:36 < dongs> camtronics site says they've got 20 years of experience 2015-04-15T17:23:45 < dongs> did partnering with zaNO automatically added 10?? 2015-04-15T17:23:56 < _Sync_> yep 2015-04-15T17:23:57 < _Sync_> ofc 2015-04-15T17:25:09 < Laurenceb> lol SDK 2015-04-15T17:25:15 < Laurenceb> this reminds me of steorn 2015-04-15T17:25:16 < vvirag> hey! sry for asking a stupid question, my electrical knowledge is still quite small.. if i would like to power up a stm32f4-discovery board from an external power supply, then should i connect it to the 5V pin, or the VDD? what is / if any difference? 2015-04-15T17:25:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.steorn.com/ 2015-04-15T17:27:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-15T17:27:29 < dongs> vvirag: uh, yeah, you better connect to 5V pins on the edge of the board 2015-04-15T17:27:40 < dongs> the ones on 2 long headers. 2015-04-15T17:27:49 < dongs> look at the datasheet/layout 2015-04-15T17:35:39 < vvirag> dongs, i tried to look at the datasheet, but it was more confusing than helping in my case :) 2015-04-15T17:37:46 < vvirag> dongs, i don't really see what are you referring as "2 long headers, on the edge of the board" :/ 2015-04-15T17:39:51 < _Sync_> vvirag: the two long rows of pins 2015-04-15T17:47:56 < dongs> yea man, if you dunno waht two rows of pins on the discovery board look like 2015-04-15T17:47:59 < dongs> you might be beyond help 2015-04-15T17:49:50 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T17:51:32 < vvirag> dongs, ok, i thought you meant something else :) 2015-04-15T17:52:00 < vvirag> dongs, i was looking for something more complicated :/ 2015-04-15T17:52:47 < vvirag> dongs, anyway, so what's the difference between powering up from the 5V pin or the VDD? or the VDD is might not two-way, but only output? :/ 2015-04-15T17:54:19 < dongs> i have no idea as im not gonna read datasheet for you but my uneducated guess would be VDD is 3.3V 2015-04-15T17:54:27 < dongs> you 're welcome to connect 5V to it, just don't come crying here after 2015-04-15T17:58:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-15T17:58:55 < vvirag> dongs, i don't want you to read the manual for me, i'm just confused what to look for in the manual. so typically 5V and 3V pins on a board are 2-way pins? so if the board already has power, then it outputs the corresponding voltage on the pin, and if the board is not powered up, then it can take the corresponding power from the exact same pins? 2015-04-15T17:59:35 < vvirag> vvirag, do i understand that part correctly, or not? 2015-04-15T17:59:44 < dongs> correct. 2015-04-15T17:59:47 < _Sync_> they are electrically connected 2015-04-15T17:59:54 < _Sync_> there is no input output bullshit 2015-04-15T18:00:48 < vvirag> dongs, and VDD could be totally different, it means the actual operating voltage, right? 2015-04-15T18:00:59 < _Sync_> look at the schematic 2015-04-15T18:01:25 < dongs> i dont fucking know - i am NOT reading datasheet for you 2015-04-15T18:02:25 < dongs> im loading dicknplace 2015-04-15T18:02:54 < vvirag> _Sync_, dongs, fine, thx anyhow. (i did not expect to give me the actual value, i was just trying to ask general questions about what VDD means) 2015-04-15T18:03:44 < _Sync_> it's the voltage on the drain 2015-04-15T18:03:49 < _Sync_> but it is just a label 2015-04-15T18:04:03 < _Sync_> it could have Votto written on it 2015-04-15T18:04:10 < _Sync_> so you always have to look at the schematic 2015-04-15T18:04:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T18:08:49 < dongs> sssh 2015-04-15T18:08:51 < dongs> pro joined 2015-04-15T18:09:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.122] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T18:12:50 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-243-24.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-15T18:16:47 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T18:27:36 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-15T18:27:51 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T18:30:58 < vvirag> _Sync_, dongs: sry for the stupid questions - i have no electrical background, so it's not so easy to interpret a power supply scheme. but i'm trying. 2015-04-15T18:31:55 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/588355053104267264 2015-04-15T18:35:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-15T18:38:38 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T18:41:11 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-15T18:41:53 < yan_> how does everyone make custom dev boards? do you break out jtag/swd or just use a bootloader to flash the mcu via uart/spi/etc? 2015-04-15T18:43:05 < karlp> I'd hazard that most of us use jtag/swd, and often a bootloader as well. 2015-04-15T18:43:09 < dongs> "dev" would be the key here. 2015-04-15T18:43:15 < dongs> you don't "develop" with uart bootloader 2015-04-15T18:43:22 < karlp> yeah, what he said 2015-04-15T18:43:30 < dongs> unless you can debug, whats the point of 'development" board 2015-04-15T18:43:42 < PeterM> swd/jtag, shit even on production break that out, its like 6 pins or some shit 2015-04-15T18:43:46 < zyp> bootloaders are for user firmware upgrade 2015-04-15T18:44:02 < zyp> and even in production, I use swd for initial loading of the bootloader 2015-04-15T18:44:55 < englishman> yan_: swd with the cortex swd header placed somewhere 2015-04-15T18:45:04 < englishman> its a little 10 pin 1mm pitch header 2015-04-15T18:45:10 < dongs> 1.27 2015-04-15T18:45:13 < englishman> ^ 2015-04-15T18:45:17 < englishman> rounded 2015-04-15T18:45:29 < PeterM> what does the pro do? 2015-04-15T18:45:29 < englishman> 0.05" 2015-04-15T18:45:31 < dongs> you must work for spacex 2015-04-15T18:45:41 < PeterM> spaysex? 2015-04-15T18:45:41 < dongs> R2pro? 2015-04-15T18:45:54 < dongs> he probably uses CAN bootloader 2015-04-15T18:46:06 < PeterM> emeb_2pro 2015-04-15T18:46:09 < karlp> nah, spi from his magic usb-spi dongles with c# apps 2015-04-15T18:46:19 < dongs> aardvark USB2SPI 2015-04-15T18:46:34 < dongs> http://www.totalphase.com/products/aardvark-i2cspi/ tghis 2015-04-15T18:46:57 < PeterM> ...$275 2015-04-15T18:47:08 < PeterM> dongs why havent you cloned that shit 2015-04-15T18:47:11 < dongs> buy 10 for only 261.25 2015-04-15T18:47:14 < PeterM> why isnt it in your store 2015-04-15T18:47:15 < dongs> /each 2015-04-15T18:47:47 < dongs> i duno its too pro for me 2015-04-15T18:48:09 < dongs> I2C master and slave up to 800 kHz. 2015-04-15T18:48:09 < dongs> I2C multi-master support 2015-04-15T18:48:09 < dongs> SPI master up to 8 MHz 2015-04-15T18:48:09 < dongs> SPI slave up to 4 MHz 2015-04-15T18:48:09 < englishman> im sure theres a huge market for usb2spi adapters 2015-04-15T18:49:34 < PeterM> make 10, sell one, already broken even 2015-04-15T18:49:59 < dongs> Low Cost 2015-04-15T18:49:59 < dongs> The Aardvark adapter comes complete with a royalty-free API. 2015-04-15T18:50:00 < dongs> The low cost makes it affordable for a company to provide every developer with their own interface. The benefits of every developer having their own interface are: 2015-04-15T18:50:06 < dongs> this is on their "features" page 2015-04-15T18:50:09 < tonyarkles> I realize that I mostly lurk here 2015-04-15T18:50:31 < dongs> but I work for Aardvark and I'm angry about this conversation 2015-04-15T18:50:33 < tonyarkles> but I can say that the single totalphase product I own has been really awesome 2015-04-15T18:50:39 < tonyarkles> ahahaha 2015-04-15T18:50:48 < tonyarkles> nah :P 2015-04-15T18:50:51 < yan_> englishman: is that supported by something like st-link? 2015-04-15T18:51:01 < englishman> you need a little adapter 2015-04-15T18:51:07 < englishman> st-link talks swd yes 2015-04-15T18:51:21 < tonyarkles> i looked at their SPI adapters and stuff and came to the same conclusion... 2015-04-15T18:51:26 < PeterM> tonyarkles, whats the totalphase product you own 2015-04-15T18:51:27 < tonyarkles> "i could use a bus pirate for that!" 2015-04-15T18:51:28 < englishman> like this https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/ 2015-04-15T18:51:29 < tonyarkles> http://www.totalphase.com/products/beagle-usb12/ 2015-04-15T18:51:59 < tonyarkles> bought it to debug a usb stack I put together on an stm32f042 2015-04-15T18:52:06 < tonyarkles> so it's even relevant to the channel! 2015-04-15T18:52:06 < tonyarkles> :D 2015-04-15T18:52:20 < yan_> hm ok might do that then.. was going to just expose the 3 swd pins via a custom header and wire it up to an st-link 2015-04-15T18:52:35 < englishman> you can do that, but know that a standard header exists :) 2015-04-15T18:52:37 < PeterM> tonyarkles, i dont think we're worried about offtopic here... 2015-04-15T18:52:43 < tonyarkles> hahaha so I've noticed 2015-04-15T18:52:53 < englishman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf 2015-04-15T18:52:54 < PeterM> also, whats that like as far as useability goes compared to say.. http://openvizsla.org/ 2015-04-15T18:52:57 < tonyarkles> i should start actually contributing more here 2015-04-15T18:53:39 < englishman> we can start you off on zano trolling 2015-04-15T18:53:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-15T18:53:48 < dongs> i heard openvizsla finally shipped 2015-04-15T18:54:08 < PeterM> nah, we hear enoug hzango news from dingle over here 2015-04-15T18:54:15 < dongs> funded dec 2010 2015-04-15T18:54:18 < tonyarkles> from the openvizsla docs that I can see, the beagle seems way more straightforward to use 2015-04-15T18:54:29 < tonyarkles> plug it in, run the software, click "record" 2015-04-15T18:54:29 < PeterM> >not surprised 2015-04-15T18:54:36 < PeterM> >open in the name 2015-04-15T18:54:43 < PeterM> >vs 2015-04-15T18:54:47 < PeterM> >not open in the name 2015-04-15T18:54:48 < tonyarkles> and you start seeing all of the bus traffic flowing through the device 2015-04-15T18:55:14 < PeterM> tonyarkles, do you like lunix 2015-04-15T18:55:19 < tonyarkles> yup! 2015-04-15T18:55:23 < PeterM> fuck off 2015-04-15T18:55:25 < dongs> when i was shopping for usb shit I considered beagle also but picked ellisys instead, forgot wat the reason was 2015-04-15T18:55:26 < tonyarkles> hahahaha 2015-04-15T18:55:28 < dongs> this eas a while ago 2015-04-15T18:55:40 < tonyarkles> although i'm pretty equal opportunity 2015-04-15T18:55:44 < dongs> i think gui looked less shit 2015-04-15T18:55:59 < PeterM> fair nuff 2015-04-15T18:56:01 < tonyarkles> currently chatting on irssi on my linux box, connected over ssh from a windows box 2015-04-15T18:56:10 < tonyarkles> and there's a macbook sitting about 3 feet from me 2015-04-15T18:56:18 < Laurenceb> yeah but iso9001 2015-04-15T18:56:24 < PeterM> im typing on my keyboard and pressing enter 2015-04-15T18:56:29 < PeterM> cool 2015-04-15T18:56:31 < yan_> btw, anyone know if there exists a bluetooth/ble bootloader? 2015-04-15T18:56:38 < dongs> ? 2015-04-15T18:56:47 < dongs> wouldnt that be just serial 2015-04-15T18:56:52 < dongs> wiht some BT>serial thing 2015-04-15T18:56:58 < yan_> dongs: well you'd have to negotiate a ble connection 2015-04-15T18:57:10 < dongs> which stm32 chip has BLE hardware? 2015-04-15T18:57:14 < PeterM> yan_ probably. probably documented like someone wiping their ass with a newspaper though 2015-04-15T18:57:57 < PeterM> can't imagine it to be complex tho 2015-04-15T18:58:00 < yan_> dongs: it doesn't, it'd be external to it.. thinking of writing a custom bootloader 2015-04-15T18:58:22 < Laurenceb> ive done bluetooth bootload using the built in bootloader 2015-04-15T18:58:37 < PeterM> Laurenceb, smoked many chips today? 2015-04-15T18:59:19 < Laurenceb> no lol 2015-04-15T18:59:33 < Laurenceb> lesson: use shrouded headers 2015-04-15T18:59:50 < dongs> wot 2015-04-15T18:59:51 < Laurenceb> and dont drop 12V lines onto the PCB 2015-04-15T19:00:09 * Laurenceb dropped a 12V banana connector onto a jtag header 2015-04-15T19:00:13 < dongs> nice 2015-04-15T19:00:18 < Laurenceb> smoke everywhere 2015-04-15T19:00:20 < dongs> i bet 2015-04-15T19:00:40 < Laurenceb> yan_: http://pastie.org/10094147 2015-04-15T19:02:25 < Laurenceb> .PHONY: upload 2015-04-15T19:02:25 < Laurenceb> upload: all 2015-04-15T19:02:25 < Laurenceb> @python jtag/stm32loader.py -p $(STM32LDR_PORT) -b $(STM32LDR_BAUD)\ 2015-04-15T19:02:25 < Laurenceb> -e $(STM32LDR_VERIFY) -w main.bin 2015-04-15T19:02:39 < Laurenceb> like so in the makefile if you want to do make upload 2015-04-15T19:03:09 < PeterM> Laurenceb, smoke everywhere? what do you get your 12v supply from? car batteries? 2015-04-15T19:03:16 < Laurenceb> lulyes 2015-04-15T19:03:34 < Laurenceb> experimenting with high power brushless motors 2015-04-15T19:03:37 < dongs> he's too pro for a riglol power supply 2015-04-15T19:04:00 < dongs> bedtime 2015-04-15T19:04:14 < DanteA> Early! 2015-04-15T19:10:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-15T19:16:13 < PeterM> Laurenceb, these are cheap and pretty decent http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-0-32V-Adjustable-Switching-DC-Power-Supply-10A-300W-SMPS-Switchable-110V-95-132V-and/2031152329.html 2015-04-15T19:17:41 < Laurenceb> i need about 100A 2015-04-15T19:18:17 < PeterM> you're deving, running motors under load? 2015-04-15T19:20:36 < karlp> englishman: http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBMPSSE.htm 2015-04-15T19:20:51 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T19:23:53 < Laurenceb> PeterM: yes 2015-04-15T19:24:03 < yan_> looks like i'm going with a cortex debug connector.. but going to wire Vcc to be behind the Vreg 2015-04-15T19:24:12 < Laurenceb> im trying to make some self aligning high speed spinning kit 2015-04-15T19:24:47 < Laurenceb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cul0k4vyy28ilor/photo%2015.4.2015%2019.09.29.jpg?dl=0 2015-04-15T19:24:48 < Laurenceb> drool 2015-04-15T19:29:31 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-15T19:31:13 < karlp> yan_: vcc on the debug connector is normally an output from the target, so that you debug adapter can determine the voltage and scale signals appropriately. 2015-04-15T19:33:06 < yan_> karlp: ah. that would have been a stupid mistake. i now see some other descriptions label that as Vtref, which makes more sense 2015-04-15T19:39:04 < englishman> karlp: nice, and only $30 2015-04-15T19:49:55 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T19:56:22 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-15T19:57:23 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-15T20:00:59 < inca> how hard is it to flash nor memory from stlink2 to stm32f4/external nor flash? 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2015-04-15T23:14:21 < gxti> i doubt it 2015-04-15T23:29:03 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-15T23:30:24 < PaulFertser> yan_: wrong. 2015-04-15T23:30:35 < PaulFertser> yan_: njrst is TRST, jtag state machine reset. 2015-04-15T23:32:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-15T23:46:00 < yan_> PaulFertser: so then that goes to regular ~RESET? 2015-04-15T23:46:47 < PaulFertser> yan_: nrst == reset, jrst == trst 2015-04-15T23:47:26 < yan_> PaulFertser: k, the dbg connector doesn't include a trst pin, so i'm connecting its nreset to stm32 nreset 2015-04-15T23:48:13 < PaulFertser> yan_: why do you need jtag at all? 2015-04-15T23:48:39 < PaulFertser> yan_: yes, you can basically leave target's trst floating, np with that with stm32. 2015-04-15T23:49:23 < PaulFertser> yan_: (jtag) I mean, why not SWD? 2015-04-15T23:49:59 < yan_> PaulFertser: i can use swd, i actually asked for debugging advice, ended up choosing to use the cortex debug connector, which includes jtag and swd 2015-04-15T23:50:14 < yan_> asked for debugging advice here that is, a few pages up in scrollback 2015-04-15T23:50:20 < PaulFertser> yan_: of course, since swd reuses some of jtag lines. --- Day changed Thu Apr 16 2015 2015-04-16T00:09:31 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-16T00:14:24 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMB-1] 2015-04-16T00:16:30 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T00:36:05 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bkmxqgojqgetsrom] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-16T00:36:58 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-16T00:42:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-16T00:43:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:8182:8f72:44be:c89d] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-16T00:46:24 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T00:49:02 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-110-86.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T00:49:24 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-16T00:54:59 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:04:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:08:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e8f070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:11:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-16T01:11:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:17:09 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:19:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-16T01:21:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e8f070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T01:21:13 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-e8f070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:24:46 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-16T01:27:25 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-16T01:29:05 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-110-86.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-16T01:32:03 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fudupajdmuktxyjx] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:32:42 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:39:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e8f070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T01:39:51 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-e8f070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T01:41:33 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e8f070d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T01:57:55 < dongs> sup sblogs 2015-04-16T02:03:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-16T02:06:03 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:09:26 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMSzC1crr0 2015-04-16T02:09:31 < yan_> hm does ST not publish a hardware guide to connecting a usb connector to stm32 ics? i assume it's not as simple as wiring D+ to USB_DP and D- to USB_DM 2015-04-16T02:09:33 < Laurenceb_> dat oscillating control loop 2015-04-16T02:09:46 < Laurenceb_> almost like they put an ardupilot on the thing 2015-04-16T02:10:05 < Laurenceb_> yan_: check the device datasheet iirc? 2015-04-16T02:10:12 < Laurenceb_> i cant remember lol 2015-04-16T02:10:19 < Laurenceb_> maybe there is an app note 2015-04-16T02:10:20 < dongs> some needs 22R some d ont 2015-04-16T02:10:24 < dongs> some have internal 1.5K pulup some done 2015-04-16T02:10:27 < dongs> dont 2015-04-16T02:10:28 < Laurenceb_> but the matching depends on which one 2015-04-16T02:10:32 < Laurenceb_> what dongs said 2015-04-16T02:12:39 < ds2> expanding upon them... do any of the stm32's include the ESD protection for the USB interface? 2015-04-16T02:12:56 < dongs> of course not 2015-04-16T02:13:05 < Laurenceb_> i suspect they have normal ESD? 2015-04-16T02:13:17 < Laurenceb_> like the rest of the ic ? 2015-04-16T02:13:18 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:13:51 < yan_> dongs: i don't see that info in the datasheet. there's info on needing HSE for USB, that it can do 12mbps, and the voltage ranges 2015-04-16T02:31:37 -!- zygron_ [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:32:19 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:33:05 -!- GargantuaSauce_ [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:34:09 < zyp> yan_, which chip? 2015-04-16T02:34:44 < yan_> zyp: stm32l151c8u6 .. i found a reference design of one of the F series chips which use 10ohm series termination 2015-04-16T02:34:53 -!- karlp_ [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:35:07 < zyp> you can't go by a different chip, this shit is different for each 2015-04-16T02:35:07 < _Sync_> boom Laurenceb_ 2015-04-16T02:35:11 -!- funnel_ [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:35:22 < yan_> zyp: yep, it was just the only thing i found :) 2015-04-16T02:35:26 < _Sync_> but I'm amazed how much control the thing has 2015-04-16T02:35:28 < Laurenceb_> the boom doesnt make much sense 2015-04-16T02:35:36 < Laurenceb_> looks like a high order explosion 2015-04-16T02:35:45 < zyp> I think l1 is old enough that they couldn't figure out how to do internal pullup properly, so you probably need that externally, and probably termination as well 2015-04-16T02:35:47 < _Sync_> even though it seems to hit the limit in the beginning 2015-04-16T02:35:59 < zyp> so three external resistors should do it 2015-04-16T02:36:17 < yan_> zyp: but is 10ohm the correct termination? other designs used 22, others yet 15 2015-04-16T02:36:28 < zyp> I tend to use 22 2015-04-16T02:36:47 < yan_> zyp: also, are the L1s nearing the end of their product cycle? i know L4 came out, but they're not carried yet 2015-04-16T02:36:55 < zyp> 22 is correct according to USB spec, assuming there's no internal termination 2015-04-16T02:37:04 < Laurenceb_> doubt it 2015-04-16T02:37:10 < Laurenceb_> ST will carry stuff for years 2015-04-16T02:37:24 < Laurenceb_> apart from stm32w 2015-04-16T02:37:26 < Laurenceb_> :P 2015-04-16T02:37:30 < zyp> dunno, have any stm32 chips been EOLed at all, apart from stm32w 2015-04-16T02:37:47 < Laurenceb_> dont think so 2015-04-16T02:38:04 < Laurenceb_> there is the "10 year commitment" on loads of stuff too 2015-04-16T02:38:11 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:38:12 -!- rigid_ [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:38:27 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:38:27 -!- malinus [~malinus@unaffiliated/malinus] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:38:27 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:38:27 -!- karlp [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:38:32 -!- funnel_ is now known as funnel 2015-04-16T02:38:36 < zyp> IMO f1 should be killed off so we can get rid of that gpio block, but I guess there's way too many users for that to happen :p 2015-04-16T02:38:56 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:39:04 < zyp> l1 is probably good too 2015-04-16T02:39:23 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:24 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:25 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:26 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:26 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:26 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:39:28 -!- rigid_ is now known as rigid 2015-04-16T02:39:28 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-16T02:39:28 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:39:34 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:39:35 < zyp> even when l4 is out, not all projects will call for an l4 2015-04-16T02:40:09 < zyp> yan_, what's your project? why have you selected l1? 2015-04-16T02:40:54 -!- malinus [~malinus@185.53.129.20] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:41:14 < yan_> zyp: i'm doing extremely light number processing (very basic filtering), collecting sensor data, then dumping to flash.. power draw was my #1 concern 2015-04-16T02:41:17 -!- malinus is now known as Guest10996 2015-04-16T02:41:50 < zyp> and what's your goal for usb? 2015-04-16T02:41:57 < yan_> zyp: working on a logging, BLE-connected altimeter with some alarms 2015-04-16T02:42:08 < yan_> zyp: just to have it, in case i want to dump data via USB 2015-04-16T02:42:20 < yan_> trying to finish a dev board now and will continue firmware dev once this works 2015-04-16T02:42:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:42:39 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:42:55 < zyp> have you considered l053? it will do USB without external parts 2015-04-16T02:43:11 < zyp> not sure how well it suits your application otherwise 2015-04-16T02:43:45 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/u9XvV.JPG <- suited mine pretty fine 2015-04-16T02:44:01 < yan_> yea, l053 is a m0+ core, i am fairly sure it will end up consuming more power overall while doing filtering 2015-04-16T02:44:23 < zyp> that might be true 2015-04-16T02:44:51 < ds2> zyp: including no ESD diodes? 2015-04-16T02:44:57 < zyp> I have no experience designing for battery power, so I haven't been concerned about that stuff :) 2015-04-16T02:45:16 < zyp> ds2, yeah 2015-04-16T02:45:40 < Laurenceb_> will there be normal ESD protection onboard the stm? 2015-04-16T02:45:51 < zyp> speaking of ESD diodes, I've sold around 500 of those HID controlelr boards, and they don't have external ESD diodes either 2015-04-16T02:46:07 < zyp> and I haven't heard about anybody killing a board with ESD yet 2015-04-16T02:46:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah i dont have protection on my dataloggers 2015-04-16T02:46:23 < Laurenceb_> have similar number in use for several years 2015-04-16T02:46:24 < zyp> the pins obviously have their internal protection stuff 2015-04-16T02:46:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2015-04-16T02:46:48 < Laurenceb_> and on F1 there is 22ohms in the way 2015-04-16T02:46:59 < Laurenceb_> that probably takes the edge off ESD 2015-04-16T02:47:17 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T02:47:32 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2015-04-16T02:47:37 < zyp> well, external diodes for usb are preferred because of potential differences between host and device before you connect them 2015-04-16T02:47:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2015-04-16T02:48:17 < zyp> but then consider that the connectors are designed so that ground mates first 2015-04-16T02:48:20 < yan_> speaking of, why can we connect the +5V DM/DP pins directly to an MCU even when running at 2.8 or 3v 2015-04-16T02:48:32 < zyp> huh? 2015-04-16T02:48:33 < zyp> they are not 2015-04-16T02:48:42 < zyp> FS USB is using 3.3V signalling 2015-04-16T02:48:48 < yan_> ah.. TIL 2015-04-16T02:49:21 < zyp> and HS USB is using even lower signalling voltages, I think it's some sort of current loop 2015-04-16T02:50:11 < zyp> but yeah, you can't run USB when you supply the chip with less than 3.3V, datasheet states that 2015-04-16T02:50:34 < zyp> IIRC that's part of the reason why l0 has a separate vddio for some of the pins 2015-04-16T02:50:49 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:50:55 < yan_> ah well, then i'm going to forego using USB data 2015-04-16T02:51:01 < yan_> as i'm powering from 3v 2015-04-16T02:52:42 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/CD00277537.pdf 2015-04-16T02:52:44 < zyp> page 93 2015-04-16T02:52:45 < qyx_> wat 2015-04-16T02:53:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-16T02:53:07 < dongs> yan must be from zano 2015-04-16T02:53:08 < zyp> to use USB, Vdd must be in the range 3-3.6V 2015-04-16T02:53:11 < dongs> reducing digital voltage 2015-04-16T02:53:21 < dongs> to compensate for LM1117 f ail 2015-04-16T02:54:19 < yan_> dongs: i'm using a TI LDO to drop to 3.. and i only settled on 3 since a few parts i'm using (including stm32l1) showed reduced draw at 3 2015-04-16T02:54:41 < zyp> well, if you have a stable 3V, you're still good 2015-04-16T02:54:41 < qyx_> they draw even less at 1.8... 2015-04-16T02:55:06 < yan_> qyx_: not all the parts i'm using can run below 3 and i don't want to add extra vregs 2015-04-16T02:55:08 < zyp> doesn't the discovery boards actually use 3V? 2015-04-16T02:55:15 < qyx_> yep 2015-04-16T02:55:16 < zyp> or are they just too lazy to spell out 3.3V? 2015-04-16T02:55:20 < qyx_> atleast some 2015-04-16T02:55:25 < qyx_> they report 2.9~ 2015-04-16T02:55:30 < zyp> okay 2015-04-16T02:55:52 < qyx_> probably caused by some diode woodoo 2015-04-16T02:57:42 < qyx_> yep, my china-quality uni-t dmm shows 2.96V on L1 disco 2015-04-16T02:57:56 < dongs> pro 2015-04-16T02:58:11 < qyx_> vreg is 3.3V 2015-04-16T02:58:21 < qyx_> then theres a diode on its output 2015-04-16T02:58:25 < dongs> heh 2015-04-16T03:00:04 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-16T03:11:56 < kakimir> looking for smaller alternative to sma in low frequency analog signal use 2015-04-16T03:12:15 < dongs> 2.54mm male headers 2015-04-16T03:12:48 < kakimir> and + coax 2015-04-16T03:13:30 < kakimir> and with some kind of solid locking 2015-04-16T03:13:48 < kakimir> is there any alternative :/ 2015-04-16T03:16:08 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-16T03:16:39 < kakimir> smas weight like grams 2015-04-16T03:19:53 < dongs> ohhh 2015-04-16T03:19:57 < dongs> new ritot update 2015-04-16T03:20:02 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch#activity 2015-04-16T03:20:04 < dongs> hahaha 2015-04-16T03:20:07 < dongs> MSP420 launchpad 2015-04-16T03:23:54 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597971461/mastur-plan 2015-04-16T03:26:54 < kakimir> you want to try it dongs 2015-04-16T03:27:54 < kakimir> *dickstarting and truckload of moneys 2015-04-16T03:30:50 < dongs> huh 2015-04-16T03:31:07 < dongs> why so low ripple at 2.5V 2015-04-16T03:31:30 < dongs> is it operating in dropout mode 2015-04-16T03:31:34 < dongs> without oscillating 2015-04-16T03:31:39 < dongs> whats your vcc 2015-04-16T03:31:48 < dongs> oh vin 2015-04-16T03:31:52 < dongs> its booster? 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I have hit the libopencm3 dfu bootloader, is it alright? 2015-04-16T05:35:09 < Geleia> ReadError: there are no girls on the internet until proven wrong :3 2015-04-16T05:49:52 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T05:50:07 < karlp> assume truth until proven otherise rightÐ 2015-04-16T05:50:15 < karlp> so... dickpics in the mail... 2015-04-16T06:14:04 < GargantuaSauce_> sounds shitty unless you have a super expensive display with a really wide viewing angle 2015-04-16T06:14:52 < ReadError> who wants to reach all the way to their monitor 2015-04-16T06:15:38 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/v4WeADk.jpg 2015-04-16T06:15:41 < ReadError> assume the position 2015-04-16T06:16:28 < ReadError> you IRL 2015-04-16T06:17:26 < GargantuaSauce_> [citation needed] 2015-04-16T06:17:36 < ReadError> lul 2015-04-16T06:34:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T06:37:21 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-110-86.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T06:54:12 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T06:59:30 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-16T07:02:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-16T07:03:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T07:08:28 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/yPgvNIe.jpg 2015-04-16T07:15:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.59] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T07:24:43 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 2015-04-16T07:30:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.59] has quit [] 2015-04-16T07:31:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.59] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T07:36:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-16T07:38:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T07:43:37 < emeb_mac> yep 2015-04-16T07:52:53 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T07:54:29 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T07:54:37 < DanteA> Я тут :) 2015-04-16T08:08:14 < upgrdman> lolwut http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/04/10/three-tourists-arrested-for-molestation-in-japan-after-thinking-it-was-normal-behavior/ 2015-04-16T08:09:41 < jpa-> i've always wondered if that happens :) 2015-04-16T08:09:59 < jpa-> there are also people who believe that japan tv is all about porn gameshows 2015-04-16T08:23:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T08:23:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T08:26:32 < PeterM> upgrdman, the guy in the adult shop who copped a feel was probably like " i thought iwas part of the shops services" 2015-04-16T08:26:41 < upgrdman> lol 2015-04-16T08:30:56 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/nSNpQQY 2015-04-16T08:34:58 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-16T08:35:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T08:36:38 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/whm75Vh 2015-04-16T08:36:47 < ReadError> why do japs have the best kittehs 2015-04-16T08:41:11 < PeterM> >best kitteh 2015-04-16T08:41:15 < PeterM> >not dead 2015-04-16T08:42:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-16T08:42:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T08:52:10 < upgrdman> reading the reviews on this page... do people actually drink hydrogen peroxide? http://www.amazon.com/Hydrogen-Peroxide-Certified-Bottle-Dropper/dp/B00PBB268M/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1429163262&sr=8-9&keywords=hydrogen+peroxide 2015-04-16T08:52:31 < ReadError> yea 2015-04-16T08:53:01 < upgrdman> why 2015-04-16T08:54:52 < PeterM> an ero? 2015-04-16T08:54:55 < ReadError> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080708215046AALIw6A 2015-04-16T08:55:50 < ReadError> haha 2nd post 2015-04-16T08:57:41 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T08:59:42 < upgrdman> lol 2015-04-16T09:26:12 < akaWolf> PeterM: "some graduate as scholars, others drop out as legends!" 2015-04-16T09:33:38 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-16T09:34:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T09:40:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-16T09:58:12 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T09:58:54 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T09:59:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-16T10:09:29 -!- Guest10996 is now known as malinus 2015-04-16T10:09:39 -!- malinus [~malinus@185.53.129.20] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-16T10:09:39 -!- malinus [~malinus@unaffiliated/malinus] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T10:14:22 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqzlaymgxxkmddeu] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T10:19:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.7.22] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T10:20:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.17.7.22] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T10:23:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.119] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T10:24:20 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T10:35:00 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T11:10:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-16T11:10:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:17:34 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:21:15 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:22:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:22:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-16T11:22:52 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:22:53 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-16T11:22:53 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:34:17 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:37:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-16T11:39:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T11:40:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-16T11:42:49 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-16T12:29:01 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T12:54:29 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T12:55:42 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T13:40:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-16T13:50:03 < Laurenceb__> anyone here ever used ffmpeg? 2015-04-16T13:50:22 < Laurenceb__> i cant get it to extract frames from video 2015-04-16T13:50:58 < jpa-> i would use gstreamer 2015-04-16T13:51:07 < GargantuaSauce_> i'd use vlc 2015-04-16T13:51:07 < Laurenceb__> ok 2015-04-16T13:51:13 < Steffanx> i did that once, but it was AGE ago 2015-04-16T13:51:15 < Steffanx> *AGES 2015-04-16T13:51:24 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-16T13:51:27 < Laurenceb__> ffmpeg -i GOPR0073.MP4 -r 24 -f image2 -s svga -vframes 200 -ss 0:0:11 gopro72_frames/image-%d.jpeg 2015-04-16T13:51:33 < Laurenceb__> what i have atm, doesnt work 2015-04-16T13:51:41 < Laurenceb__> no output 2015-04-16T14:01:28 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-16T14:17:21 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T14:31:00 < akaWolf> gopro 2015-04-16T14:31:04 < akaWolf> nice cam 2015-04-16T14:31:07 < akaWolf> ;) 2015-04-16T14:34:13 < Laurenceb__> fail camera 2015-04-16T14:34:20 < Laurenceb__> nice optics and DSP 2015-04-16T14:34:25 < Laurenceb__> epic fail firmware 2015-04-16T14:34:33 < akaWolf> haha 2015-04-16T14:34:43 < Laurenceb__> it runs linux 2015-04-16T14:34:46 < Laurenceb__> inb4 dongs 2015-04-16T14:34:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-16T14:35:16 < Laurenceb__> copied video off camera again 2015-04-16T14:35:20 < Laurenceb__> now it works :-/ 2015-04-16T14:35:43 < akaWolf> magic? 2015-04-16T14:35:58 < Laurenceb__> usb driver is failing 2015-04-16T14:36:18 < akaWolf> hm 2015-04-16T14:37:20 < akaWolf> is that non standart usb mass storage device? 2015-04-16T14:37:22 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-16T14:37:36 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-04-16T14:37:38 < Laurenceb__> yeah maybe 2015-04-16T14:37:42 < Laurenceb__> it breaks linux 2015-04-16T14:37:47 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-16T14:38:00 < Laurenceb__> windows7 with the "gopro software" installed seems to work 2015-04-16T14:38:35 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T14:40:54 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ why not Yi it up?? 2015-04-16T14:41:04 < Laurenceb__> Yi ? 2015-04-16T14:41:26 < akaWolf> some option? :) 2015-04-16T14:41:34 < akaWolf> to ffmpeg? 2015-04-16T14:41:49 < Laurenceb__> akaWolf: the file was corrupted during usb copy 2015-04-16T14:42:02 < ReadError> http://www.mi.com/yicamera/ 2015-04-16T14:42:05 < akaWolf> Laurenceb__: nice... 2015-04-16T14:42:10 < ReadError> you can telnet to the damn thing 2015-04-16T14:42:13 < ReadError> and rsync shit off or w/e 2015-04-16T14:42:16 < Laurenceb__> checked in dmesg 2015-04-16T14:42:22 < Laurenceb__> and yup it was erroring 2015-04-16T14:42:51 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/LJ3j9sv.jpg 2015-04-16T14:42:53 < Laurenceb__> interesting 2015-04-16T14:42:54 < ReadError> put it on a kitteh 2015-04-16T14:43:30 < akaWolf> cat-spy 2015-04-16T14:43:45 < ReadError> they must have given kitteh valium 2015-04-16T14:43:51 < ReadError> dont think cats like wearing harnesses 2015-04-16T14:44:01 < ReadError> he looks a little high 2015-04-16T14:48:32 < Laurenceb__> looks like they use some sort of standards breaking usb storage class type thing 2015-04-16T14:48:45 < Laurenceb__> linux thinks its mass storage 2015-04-16T14:48:50 < Laurenceb__> but its not .. quite 2015-04-16T14:49:08 < akaWolf> you should install appropriate driver instead? 2015-04-16T14:49:24 < Laurenceb__> yeah, im guessing thats how windows7 manages it 2015-04-16T14:50:15 < akaWolf> it's strange.. why then device is using a atandart classes.. 2015-04-16T14:50:22 < akaWolf> s* 2015-04-16T14:50:55 < Laurenceb__> sometimes it works 2015-04-16T14:51:10 < Laurenceb__> but i get corrupt files and a ton of errors still in dmesg 2015-04-16T14:51:20 < akaWolf> ow... 2015-04-16T14:51:22 < Laurenceb__> the SCSI emulation is all broken 2015-04-16T14:52:17 < _Sync_> Laurenceb__: I just pull the SD card 2015-04-16T14:52:48 < akaWolf> in cardreader, yeah 2015-04-16T14:52:52 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats what i did 2015-04-16T14:52:57 < Laurenceb__> worked fine 2015-04-16T15:03:22 < Laurenceb__> http://www.st.com/web/en/press/p3678 2015-04-16T15:03:24 < Laurenceb__> nice 2015-04-16T15:17:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T15:28:32 -!- vvirag [~vvirag@2001:67c:10ec:3185:8000::10e9] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T15:28:32 -!- vvirag [~vvirag@2001:67c:10ec:3185:8000::10e9] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-16T15:28:32 -!- vvirag [~vvirag@unaffiliated/vvirag] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T15:30:52 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-16T15:31:06 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T15:32:27 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/3dKbaSJ.jpg 2015-04-16T15:33:39 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@84.246.161.118] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T15:37:28 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-16T15:47:48 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T15:55:29 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-16T15:58:18 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T16:02:50 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@84.246.161.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-16T16:14:40 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T16:21:34 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-16T16:26:58 < dongs> fsup pros 2015-04-16T16:27:15 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.36.56] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T16:28:40 < dongs> intersting 2015-04-16T16:28:46 < dongs> there's a new F30x stdperiphlib 2015-04-16T16:28:53 < dongs> from feb 27 2015-04-16T16:28:58 < dongs> i expected that garbage to have been all cubified 2015-04-16T16:33:51 < Laurenceb__> 4 corners square 2015-04-16T16:34:04 < Laurenceb__> one cubic day makes you 2015-04-16T16:34:28 < Laurenceb__> puny humans, you are educated stupid 2015-04-16T16:36:34 < karlp> " 2015-04-16T16:36:36 < karlp> For maximum design freedom, the DA14680 can execute code from Flash or one-time programmable (OTP) memory. Flash offers the potential for unlimited execution space and over-the-air (OTA) updates, while OTP provides a simple cost-down path." 2015-04-16T16:36:46 < karlp> unlimited whee! 2015-04-16T16:37:23 < Laurenceb__> pebble SDK looks very cool 2015-04-16T16:37:32 < karlp> huh, it does have 8meg of flash though, that is kinda hardcore 2015-04-16T16:37:40 < Laurenceb__> seems to be FreeRTOS based, but very polished 2015-04-16T16:47:11 < _Sync_> 0o 2015-04-16T16:48:51 < dongs> feertos based 2015-04-16T16:52:57 < dongs> i can use _N channels of a timer without using regular cahnnels right? 2015-04-16T16:53:01 < dongs> just for simple PWM trash 2015-04-16T16:55:52 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T16:55:52 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-16T16:55:52 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T17:09:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.98] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T17:17:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-16T17:18:48 < dongs> attn zyp http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3040009/Women-Japan-tying-RIBBONS-breasts-boost-cleavage-s-inspired-curvy-cartoon-character.html 2015-04-16T17:19:12 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-16T17:19:20 < Laurenceb__> fapfapfap 2015-04-16T17:20:20 < PeterM> i'll take "things that i am ok with" for 500 alex 2015-04-16T17:22:25 < Laurenceb__> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toshiba-AC100-10U-PDN01E-00500EE-wbr-N-Black-Spot-on-Screen-working-fine-Used-/261853691533?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 2015-04-16T17:22:27 < Laurenceb__> wtf 2015-04-16T17:22:34 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T17:22:47 < dongs> someone tried to ram thier cock into some eroge 2015-04-16T17:23:04 < Laurenceb__> looks like its shopped 2015-04-16T17:23:24 < dongs> uh wat 2015-04-16T17:23:28 < dongs> tegra netbook? 2015-04-16T17:23:33 < dongs> not evne worth 50gbp 2015-04-16T17:23:36 < dongs> hole in screen or not 2015-04-16T17:23:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T17:24:06 < Laurenceb__> def worth £50 2015-04-16T17:24:07 < Steffanx> or this boy used his toy again.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTLVQ1eiik 2015-04-16T17:24:11 < Laurenceb__> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/mecam.htm 2015-04-16T17:24:37 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T17:25:05 < PeterM> yeah thats legit, probably had a bottle cap or ring on keyboard and closed the lid 2015-04-16T17:25:48 < Laurenceb__> thought it would have knocked out some rows or something 2015-04-16T17:25:55 < Laurenceb__> lulwtf 2015-04-16T17:25:56 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-2hgsdeYyo&feature=player_embedded 2015-04-16T17:26:08 < Laurenceb__> not sure if troll 2015-04-16T17:36:36 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/QDPsQ 2015-04-16T17:55:41 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:02:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:02:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-16T18:03:49 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T18:04:00 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@84.246.161.118] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:06:48 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thefutureisnow/car-prototype-alternative-vehicle-fuel-source?ref=category 2015-04-16T18:06:51 < dongs> lol 2015-04-16T18:08:01 < dongs> > currant fuel prices 2015-04-16T18:10:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.89] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:10:37 < PeterM> dongs, i hear it is berry expensive 2015-04-16T18:10:54 < Laurenceb__> lawl 2015-04-16T18:10:59 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-110-86.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-16T18:13:09 -!- trepidaciousMB-1 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMB-1] 2015-04-16T18:13:34 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:17:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T18:17:13 < gxti> punz 2015-04-16T18:21:45 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@84.246.161.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T18:23:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-16T18:26:39 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:31:26 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:37:43 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2015-04-16T18:38:16 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:39:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:40:34 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T18:40:51 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T18:42:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T18:43:49 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-16T18:51:28 < emeb> hrhrhr 2015-04-16T18:54:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fudupajdmuktxyjx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-16T18:58:31 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-16T18:59:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T19:25:29 < Laurenceb__> http://micro.apitech.co.uk/uk/products/nuclear-event-detector/ 2015-04-16T19:25:30 < Laurenceb__> lulz 2015-04-16T19:30:42 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T19:30:48 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-19-180-18.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-16T19:40:41 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T19:42:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-16T19:43:41 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-16T19:43:57 -!- vvirag [~vvirag@unaffiliated/vvirag] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-16T19:44:19 < Steffanx> april fools? 2015-04-16T19:45:19 < emeb> seems legit (really) 2015-04-16T19:47:01 < Laurenceb__> http://rs2img.memecdn.com/meanwhile-in-russia_c_5059211.jpg 2015-04-16T19:49:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.153] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T19:50:16 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T19:50:37 < karlp> that's the glitter bomber from yesterday isn'ðt it? 2015-04-16T20:12:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.73] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T20:31:01 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-16T20:44:30 < qyx_> does anyone have experience with tindie.com? 2015-04-16T20:44:48 < jpa-> is it the tinder for indies? 2015-04-16T20:44:56 < qyx_> it's some diy/ardiuno/rpi shop 2015-04-16T20:49:07 < Steffanx> you want to sell stuff or buy stuff? 2015-04-16T20:49:21 < Steffanx> It's a shop where everyone can sell things not? 2015-04-16T20:50:17 < qyx_> i want to buy a smoothieboard 2015-04-16T20:50:28 < qyx_> but the original EU seller doesn't have them in stock 2015-04-16T20:50:34 < qyx_> *official 2015-04-16T20:51:24 < Steffanx> smoothie.. you should ask jpa- about his opinion about it first 2015-04-16T20:51:33 < qyx_> jpa-: ^ 2015-04-16T20:51:48 < Steffanx> iirc he is happy with the board, less happy about the community behind it/code/repo/development 2015-04-16T20:52:00 < jpa-> well i'm unhappy about wolfmanjm :P 2015-04-16T20:52:20 < jpa-> but machinekit seems more promising overall, though smoothie is easier to setup 2015-04-16T20:52:42 < qyx_> machinekit is just the hw? or the whole "platform" with sw too? 2015-04-16T20:52:51 < jpa-> it's linuxcnc on beaglebone 2015-04-16T20:52:58 < qyx_> pfffff 2015-04-16T20:53:03 < Steffanx> i looked at that machinekit website once, it looked so weird. And i failed to find a "how to start with all this" 2015-04-16T20:53:21 < qyx_> i hate that linuxcnc thing 2015-04-16T20:53:26 < jpa-> using xenomai rtos for driving the hardware, combined with linux for the higher-level stuff 2015-04-16T20:53:38 < qyx_> and thats the reason why 2015-04-16T20:54:10 < jpa-> yeah, definitely not simple to start like smoothie 2015-04-16T20:55:13 < jpa-> https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothieware/pull/632#issuecomment-78001722 this is how the community is like 2015-04-16T20:55:15 < qyx_> what about this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/261813722234 2015-04-16T20:55:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-16T20:55:52 < jpa-> probably quite similar to smoothieboard 2015-04-16T20:56:22 < jpa-> somewhat expensive 2015-04-16T20:58:09 < qyx_> actually cheaper 2015-04-16T20:58:16 < qyx_> smoothieboard is ~170$ 2015-04-16T20:58:42 < jpa-> ah.. i paid something like 130 EUR but the exchange rates have changed so maybe that's why 2015-04-16T20:59:11 < jpa-> what are you planning to drive with it? 2015-04-16T21:00:00 < qyx_> we have that china-made 6040 cnc 2015-04-16T21:00:16 < qyx_> with linuxcnc & parallel stuff atm 2015-04-16T21:00:35 < jpa-> so pretty similar to my 3020 2015-04-16T21:01:01 < jpa-> note that more advanced gcode stuff like what is done by g-code ripper will not work with smoothie 2015-04-16T21:01:11 < jpa-> auto probing etc. 2015-04-16T21:01:34 < qyx_> i am using pycam for gcode generation 2015-04-16T21:01:56 < jpa-> i never liked that one, slow and limited; blendercam ftw 2015-04-16T21:02:34 < qyx_> thats true 2015-04-16T21:02:48 < jpa-> also smoothie's main code has quite a few bugs that cause lost steps when driving leadscrew machines at high speeds.. though probably doesn't matter unless you are 3d printing with your cnc, like i am 2015-04-16T21:02:49 < qyx_> i just need something for converting dxf/dwg to gcode 2015-04-16T21:03:02 < jpa-> ah yeah, if you do 2d stuff then pycam is fine 2015-04-16T21:03:35 < qyx_> yes, mostly 2D model parts from hps/polystyrene sheets 2015-04-16T21:04:07 < jpa-> why do you want to replace current setup? 2015-04-16T21:04:47 < qyx_> because of linuxcnc and that parallel shit 2015-04-16T21:04:54 < qyx_> and it is not working anymore 2015-04-16T21:05:40 < jpa-> ok 2015-04-16T21:05:42 < qyx_> one axis started to miss steps and is totally dead now 2015-04-16T21:05:53 < jpa-> using the original electronics? 2015-04-16T21:05:56 < qyx_> yep 2015-04-16T21:06:00 < jpa-> yeah, total shit 2015-04-16T21:06:04 < qyx_> i could replace just the broken parts, but meh 2015-04-16T21:06:19 < jpa-> not worth it, more will break 2015-04-16T21:06:45 < jpa-> also the huge heatsinks for the stepper drivers.. i'm driving the same current with smoothie and no heatsinks at all 2015-04-16T21:06:48 < qyx_> what are you using to drive the induction spindle motor? 2015-04-16T21:06:58 < jpa-> 3020 has simple DC motor 2015-04-16T21:07:04 < qyx_> aha 2015-04-16T21:07:19 < qyx_> this one has some 190V 3phase induction or whatever 2015-04-16T21:07:32 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-16T21:07:33 < qyx_> i assume that a standard 3phase inverter will do 2015-04-16T21:07:59 < jpa-> yeah, if the frequency range is suitable 2015-04-16T21:09:35 < jpa-> funny to think how you are milling polystyrene on 6040 with a real spindle, and i'm milling aluminum with 3020 and the crappy spindle :P 2015-04-16T21:09:42 < qyx_> i don't know if theres some sensorless speed feedback now or what, it can regulate the speed 2015-04-16T21:09:59 < jpa-> maybe it is brushless dc and not an induction motor? 2015-04-16T21:10:22 < qyx_> no, the spindle can rotate freely 2015-04-16T21:10:33 < qyx_> if bldc, then without iron cores 2015-04-16T21:10:47 < qyx_> which would be a bit weird 2015-04-16T21:10:52 < jpa-> hmm 2015-04-16T21:18:17 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T21:24:12 < Laurenceb__> http://www.coated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/robot-inventor.jpg 2015-04-16T21:25:01 < kakimir> when I was small I wanted to build myself a sex robot 2015-04-16T21:25:31 < Steffanx> young and small? 2015-04-16T21:25:32 < qyx_> ok, buying that milkshake board 2015-04-16T21:25:40 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-16T21:26:55 < Steffanx> may i ask how young/old you are kakimir? 2015-04-16T21:26:59 < kakimir> 24 2015-04-16T21:27:15 < kakimir> summers as we say here 2015-04-16T21:27:21 < Steffanx> i expected you to be older :P 2015-04-16T21:28:01 < kakimir> that is suprising 2015-04-16T21:28:06 < zyp> what gives you the impression that kakimir is older than you? 2015-04-16T21:28:13 < Steffanx> not sure. 2015-04-16T21:29:19 < Steffanx> some of the things he said made me think that, don't ask me what things. 2015-04-16T21:29:42 < kakimir> I turned from young fellow to a granpa in one summer 2015-04-16T21:29:53 < Steffanx> meth? 2015-04-16T21:29:58 < kakimir> kind of 2015-04-16T21:30:26 < Steffanx> that sucks 2015-04-16T21:30:32 < kakimir> no way. 2015-04-16T21:30:47 < kakimir> but hitting the shit always wears you 2015-04-16T21:32:55 < Steffanx> :( 2015-04-16T21:33:01 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T21:35:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.89] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T21:36:28 < kakimir> still I'm better than ever! 2015-04-16T21:36:35 < kakimir> o/ 2015-04-16T21:36:40 < kakimir> \o 2015-04-16T21:36:57 < Steffanx> \o/ 2015-04-16T21:39:31 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T21:40:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T21:50:23 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T21:51:30 < Getty> Customers and their precise statements 2015-04-16T21:52:05 < qyx_> "it doesn't work.." 2015-04-16T21:52:34 < Getty> yeah more like i told him in the email to NOT re-connect power and just hit reset if it doesnt work after SOME TIME 2015-04-16T21:52:41 < Getty> and replies back with "I reconnected the power and hit reset" 2015-04-16T21:52:47 < Getty> and he 2015-04-16T21:53:17 < Getty> just to say: if he hits reset DIRECTLY after power connection (which i also wrote in the email) he makes a factory reset 2015-04-16T21:59:37 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T22:06:16 < Steffanx> is it really that easy to do a factory reset Getty? 2015-04-16T22:06:29 < karlp> you should do long press 2015-04-16T22:06:55 < Getty> well the reset button was actually just supposed to be for factory reset 2015-04-16T22:07:06 < Getty> that it has become a "somehow" regular debugging step was not intended 2015-04-16T22:07:29 < Getty> and its ONLY after connecting with the power, you cant factory reset when its once empowered 2015-04-16T22:07:50 < Getty> so even if you reset after reset its not factory resetting, only power on goes into the bootloader (and firmware upgrades) 2015-04-16T22:07:57 < Getty> (and there is no power switch) 2015-04-16T22:13:11 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T22:13:39 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T22:18:40 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T22:19:06 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T22:20:37 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T22:21:01 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T22:21:40 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T22:22:05 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T22:23:20 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2015-04-16T22:23:47 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T22:24:03 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T22:35:20 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-16T22:53:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-16T23:05:48 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T23:22:50 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T23:30:52 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T23:33:46 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-16T23:43:56 < kakimir> do you change bearings to parkflyer motors as you crash them or just new motors? 2015-04-16T23:44:48 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ae859.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-16T23:44:56 < specing> I don't use motors, have monopole magnets for lift 2015-04-16T23:46:12 < superbia> i winch my gliders 2015-04-16T23:52:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-16T23:55:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-16T23:56:02 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqzlaymgxxkmddeu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Day changed Fri Apr 17 2015 2015-04-17T00:02:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-17T00:13:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.73] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-17T00:28:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T00:32:18 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-17T00:52:23 -!- Amperture [~Amp@107-207-76-17.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-17T00:55:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-17T00:57:21 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-17T01:00:46 < englishman> attn GargantuaSauce_ https://www.facebook.com/jim.meng.946/videos/1654304758123313/ 2015-04-17T01:04:34 < GargantuaSauce_> old 2015-04-17T01:05:00 < GargantuaSauce_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM sauce 2015-04-17T01:05:40 < englishman> :'( 2015-04-17T01:06:27 < GargantuaSauce_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebJ59TcYlQ 2015-04-17T01:06:36 < GargantuaSauce_> not the walky kind of hexapod but still 2015-04-17T01:09:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T01:10:39 -!- Amperture [~Amp@107-207-76-17.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T01:16:37 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-17T01:18:16 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-17T01:20:23 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-17T01:24:07 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T01:24:11 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-17T01:31:12 < BrainDamage> imagine the arachnid hexapod jumping at your face and using that mill 2015-04-17T01:49:47 < dongs> sup pros 2015-04-17T01:55:33 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-17T01:55:48 < englishman> the future of cosmetic surgery 2015-04-17T01:56:10 < kakimir> lord dongs, how is your day? 2015-04-17T01:56:25 < englishman> lord OF the dongs 2015-04-17T01:56:52 < englishman> a novel by william goldongs 2015-04-17T02:01:13 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-17T02:02:16 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-17T02:05:41 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-17T02:05:43 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T02:06:10 -!- zygron_ is now known as mitrax 2015-04-17T02:16:07 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-17T02:25:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-151-42-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-17T02:41:13 < dongs> hoho dem relays are clickin 2015-04-17T02:44:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-17T02:46:59 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T02:48:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-17T02:49:59 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-17T02:50:06 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@95-210-220-65.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-17T02:53:26 < kakimir> where? 2015-04-17T02:59:21 < kakimir> can't find relays in too many places 2015-04-17T03:24:55 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: bye] 2015-04-17T03:26:35 < dongs> The 2015-04-17T03:26:36 < dongs> checksum byte is calculated using a CRC generator polynomial of x8 + x5 + x4 + 1, with an initialization of 0x00. 2015-04-17T03:26:40 < dongs> da fuq is this? 2015-04-17T03:27:28 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T03:27:40 < dongs> oh its some TI 8bit crc shit 2015-04-17T03:27:45 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-upedjkwztviohhlt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T03:29:41 < kakimir> is't there like some most efficient one? 2015-04-17T03:41:17 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wyneuiuzhnedxwpx] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T03:55:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T04:06:28 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.36.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-17T04:18:48 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-17T04:20:00 < dongs> loler 2015-04-17T04:20:04 < dongs> was copying arduino code 2015-04-17T04:20:07 < dongs> for this temp/rh sensor 2015-04-17T04:20:11 < dongs> didnt read datasheet 2015-04-17T04:20:26 < dongs> tarduino was calling tempreature measurement in "clock stretching while measuring" mode 2015-04-17T04:20:43 < dongs> totally tripped my bitbanging i2c 2015-04-17T04:32:06 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T04:53:30 < kakimir> what is this age 2015-04-17T04:56:59 < PeterM> wut 2015-04-17T04:58:33 < kakimir> just trippin 2015-04-17T04:59:20 < PeterM> sit down son 2015-04-17T04:59:32 < PeterM> before you hurt yourself 2015-04-17T05:07:48 < kakimir> just thinking how silicon stormed the world in 90s and after 2015-04-17T05:09:58 < PeterM> anyone here use element14 much? 2015-04-17T05:10:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mw3T8Hh.jpg which april 2015-04-17T05:10:49 < PeterM> socket 370 2015-04-17T05:11:42 < dongs> prerty sure thats socket 7 2015-04-17T05:12:35 < PeterM> theyre both visually quite similar, let me count 2015-04-17T05:13:10 < PeterM> i think 370, too many pin for socket 7 imho 2015-04-17T05:13:12 < dongs> http://www.ultraimg.com/images/c9ver.jpg 2015-04-17T05:13:38 < dongs> > ubuntu touch 2015-04-17T05:13:40 < dongs> > iphone killer 2015-04-17T05:13:44 < dongs> delusional much? 2015-04-17T05:13:46 < PeterM> pfffffffffffffft 2015-04-17T05:14:26 < PeterM> very delusional, much lunix, such sores 2015-04-17T05:15:53 < PeterM> if goggle assdroid can't kill crapples ibone what delusional person thinks regular neckbeard lunix can? 2015-04-17T05:16:34 < dongs> to kill itrash assdroid would need to actually stop sucking 2015-04-17T05:16:43 < dongs> wifecops nexus5 has been rebooting fucking daily 2015-04-17T05:16:49 < dongs> since upgrading to lollipop trash 2015-04-17T05:16:55 < dongs> what the fuck, on google-approved hardware 2015-04-17T05:17:15 < dongs> and then about 50% of the time during reboot it will go throug hthat fuciking "optimizing applications" step 2015-04-17T05:18:29 < PeterM> now imagine if they couldnt even get that far... 2015-04-17T05:18:40 < dongs> ... and you ahve ubuntu phone? 2015-04-17T05:20:27 < PeterM> i flashed ubonertube to a nexus 7 and tried it for a bit 2015-04-17T05:20:34 < PeterM> garbage 2015-04-17T05:21:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T05:24:54 < emeb> heh - f030 driving cheapo 128x64 I2C OLED display. 2015-04-17T05:29:34 < emeb> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/2015-04-16%2019.27.25.jpg 2015-04-17T05:30:50 < PeterM> pfffffff 2015-04-17T05:31:00 < emeb> no big thang 2015-04-17T05:31:59 < ReadError> lol dongs 2015-04-17T05:32:11 < ReadError> every android fanboy be like "oh my stuff works fine!!" 2015-04-17T05:32:14 < ReadError> always bullshit 2015-04-17T05:32:25 < ReadError> theres a reason when you hold the power button there is a 'reboot' option 2015-04-17T05:32:36 < ReadError> if shit worked it wouldnt need to be rebooted 2015-04-17T05:33:56 < PeterM> actually, speaking of 030, courier just dropped off a few tubes of em :S 2015-04-17T05:36:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-17T05:41:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T05:48:19 < PeterM> emeb_mac, you need to fix up the bom document for your 030 breakout board, it says the footprint is LQFP 48 not tssop20 2015-04-17T05:48:38 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-04-17T05:49:23 < PeterM> actually, n general the .xls is spotty 2015-04-17T05:50:36 < emeb_mac> anything in particular aside from the fact that it's sparse on detail? 2015-04-17T05:54:58 < PeterM> for your 0.1" headers you just say jumperx/connectorx, it doesnt say anything (i know its obvious if you look at the board but still), text field allignment, mix of upper and loweercase etc 2015-04-17T05:55:18 < PeterM> just looks unprofessional/messy as fuck 2015-04-17T05:56:46 < emeb_mac> worth every penny it cost you. :) 2015-04-17T05:58:42 < emeb_mac> re the connectors though - that's a good question. I use breakaway headers that come in strips of 40 and just cut off what I need. How would you put that into a BOM? 2015-04-17T05:59:31 < emeb_mac> I've seem some folks actually buy headers with the exact number of pins needed - seems like a waste of $$ for DIY stuff. 2015-04-17T06:02:30 < PeterM> I'd just say Generic XX Position Unshrouded 2.54mm Header, but just put builders choice in the supplier thing, i agree with buying 40pin strips and breaking them off, but "jumper_15" is a pretty shitty descriptin.... 2015-04-17T06:03:33 < emeb_mac> yeah - just grabbed raw output from the schematic too - didn't do much to it. 2015-04-17T06:06:02 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-upedjkwztviohhlt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-17T06:21:22 < PeterM> the designators dont match with the schematic either 2015-04-17T06:22:41 < PeterM> I was gnna re-do the bom but I CBF 2015-04-17T06:32:00 < emeb_mac> I'll take a closer look - admit that I was rushing through it. 2015-04-17T06:36:38 < emeb_mac> PeterM: is the footprint column even of any use? 2015-04-17T06:37:01 < emeb_mac> usually when I'm working on BOMs I just blow that away 2015-04-17T06:39:11 < dongs> dong that away 2015-04-17T06:50:14 < PeterM> emeb_mac, it's useful if you want to assemble a design that isn't your own, yes. "did he choose the QFN footprint for that or did he get the QFN one?" etc 2015-04-17T06:50:46 < PeterM> derp replace one of the QFN with TSSOP 2015-04-17T06:50:49 < PeterM> or something 2015-04-17T06:51:23 < emeb_mac> I nuked it and put the FP info into the device column 2015-04-17T06:53:03 < PeterM> C1,2,3 are marked as 10 UF but on sch C1,2,4 are the 10 UF, and C1 links to a 6.3v rated part, but in the board descriptin you say capable of 4.1-10v input 2015-04-17T07:01:17 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-17T07:02:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T07:06:31 < emeb_mac> PeterM: grab that bom again and let me know if you see anything that could be improved. 2015-04-17T07:09:07 < dongs> pro geda bom management 4 u 2015-04-17T07:09:38 < dongs> i really dislike footprints for ICs with silk outline OUTSIDE pads. 2015-04-17T07:09:48 < dongs> like, sop/etc style shits 2015-04-17T07:10:19 < emeb_mac> it takes up a lot of space 2015-04-17T07:11:07 < PeterM> looks good - only thing i'd add if i add anyting is add the voltage rating of the caps in the value column but thats pretty minor since it is in the reccomended component link 2015-04-17T07:11:28 < emeb_mac> cool - thanks for the suggestions. 2015-04-17T07:12:07 < PeterM> dongs i put the silk inside he pins, except on the ends where i have it stuck out a tiny bit so you can see the pin 1 mark 2015-04-17T07:12:33 < dongs> PeterM: ya im talking about the geda default nasty footprints 2015-04-17T07:12:36 < dongs> that tom66 used 2015-04-17T07:14:32 < PeterM> thats dicksgusting 2015-04-17T07:26:55 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/wJAKBod (potentially nsfw) 2015-04-17T07:44:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T07:52:55 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@79.136.64.6] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T08:03:50 < dongs> wtf 2015-04-17T08:03:55 < dongs> F302RB have TIM3 or not? 2015-04-17T08:04:18 < jpa-> they have TIM3 on wednesdays but not on sundays 2015-04-17T08:04:28 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-17T08:04:31 < dongs> so it seems 2015-04-17T08:05:04 < dongs> there's STM32F302x8 define 2015-04-17T08:05:11 < dongs> for defining IRQns 2015-04-17T08:05:15 < dongs> but that one is missing T IM3 2015-04-17T08:06:03 < jpa-> x8 or xB? 2015-04-17T08:06:09 < dongs> x8 2015-04-17T08:06:10 < dongs> theers no xB 2015-04-17T08:06:31 < jpa-> maybe you have outdated file if it doesn't have the xB? 2015-04-17T08:06:40 < dongs> nope 2015-04-17T08:06:42 < dongs> i just downloaded it 2015-04-17T08:06:47 < jpa-> maybe st is just fail 2015-04-17T08:06:48 < dongs> feb 27th stdpierphlib 2015-04-17T08:06:53 -!- Cyric_ [~quassel@cm-84.215.74.80.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-17T08:06:54 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/eegzRT59.html 2015-04-17T08:07:13 < dongs> but i see that paste now 2015-04-17T08:07:19 < dongs> i just need to define STM32F303xC 2015-04-17T08:07:21 < dongs> for 302RB 2015-04-17T08:07:22 < dongs> heh 2015-04-17T08:07:26 < dongs> intuitive. 2015-04-17T08:07:55 < jpa-> yeah, x8 isn't even supposed to have TIM3 2015-04-17T08:07:59 < dongs> right 2015-04-17T08:14:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T08:15:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-160-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T08:24:34 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-17T08:39:11 -!- DanteA [~X@host-160-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T08:53:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-224-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T09:00:22 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-116-179.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T09:02:49 < emeb_mac> future has pretty decent prices on some of those F3xx parts 2015-04-17T09:03:01 < emeb_mac> (for small qty) 2015-04-17T09:04:01 -!- kuldeepdhaka 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opensource, just it made not sense for him in a business way, he was just calculating ;) 2015-04-17T14:34:54 < Getty> the same with apple, they have no point in supporting opensource or caring about any opensource culture on their products 2015-04-17T14:43:38 < RaYmAn> Apple actually open source quite a lot of cool things 2015-04-17T14:46:12 * karlp cheers for clang 2015-04-17T14:46:33 < jpa-> microsoft seems to open source quite a lot lately 2015-04-17T14:47:38 < karlp> the heady days of dumping code. 2015-04-17T14:51:10 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T14:51:39 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2015-04-17T14:55:05 < Fleck> Getty: you have a broken shift key, check it! :D 2015-04-17T14:56:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.137.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T14:56:44 < akaWolf> jpa-: Win 10, maye 2015-04-17T14:56:44 < akaWolf> b 2015-04-17T14:57:41 < Fleck> mayeb? :D 2015-04-17T14:57:58 < akaWolf> Fleck: awww... 2015-04-17T14:58:15 < Fleck> heh 2015-04-17T14:58:20 < Fleck> kak ono akaWolf? 2015-04-17T14:58:28 < akaWolf> norm, drug 2015-04-17T14:59:13 < Fleck> :) 2015-04-17T14:59:50 < akaWolf> russian is popular here.. 2015-04-17T15:01:39 < Getty> FLECK: SHIFT IS TOTALLY OVERRATED! 2015-04-17T15:01:57 < Fleck> I can see that :D 2015-04-17T15:02:45 < akaWolf> looks like, it's Caps now.. 2015-04-17T15:02:56 < akaWolf> you have a problem with your Caps, man 2015-04-17T15:03:11 < ReadError> capslock is the dumbest key ever 2015-04-17T15:03:22 < ReadError> why do they still make keyboards with it 2015-04-17T15:03:30 < akaWolf> ReadError: sometimes it's usefull 2015-04-17T15:03:43 < ReadError> akaWolf i just hold shift and type out of habit though 2015-04-17T15:04:12 < BrainDamage> that won't work well with non-latin letters tough 2015-04-17T15:04:27 < akaWolf> you can release one of your fingers... 2015-04-17T15:04:33 < akaWolf> it's advantage 2015-04-17T15:04:46 < BrainDamage> shift + à becomes ° here, while caplock + à becomes À 2015-04-17T15:04:47 < ReadError> i only type in 'murican 2015-04-17T15:04:53 < ReadError> ;) 2015-04-17T15:05:32 < ReadError> i know some folks remap capslock to control 2015-04-17T15:05:40 < ReadError> but not sure if i could get used to that 2015-04-17T15:08:59 < ReadError> dongs http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyefg9h57b1r7rtiio1_500.gif 2015-04-17T15:09:01 < ReadError> what are they saying 2015-04-17T15:09:30 < akaWolf> ya-ya 2015-04-17T15:09:31 < akaWolf> ) 2015-04-17T15:34:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-17T15:39:18 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbvyitpvdxjqudpc] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T15:41:46 < PeterM> ReadError, anhero 2015-04-17T15:43:52 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/500W-220V-electric-iron-pistol-outside-the-hot-flat-head-p-934687.html 2015-04-17T15:44:03 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@84.246.161.118] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T15:44:13 < _Sync_> 11/8 would solder with 2015-04-17T15:44:28 < PeterM> i own one 2015-04-17T15:44:34 < dongs> http://img.banggood.com/thumb/large/2014/chenchaorong/01/SKU191073/55f20be1-cff6-b034-8abe-f92de8d5718d.jpg 2015-04-17T15:45:20 < PeterM> it's good for thick battery leads and stuff 2015-04-17T15:47:22 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-17T15:48:01 < dongs> these pro nest-wannabe faggots are really pro 2015-04-17T15:48:06 < dongs> the board they brought had a bunch of hardware bugs 2015-04-17T15:48:16 < dongs> shit like connecting opamp GND to VCC 2015-04-17T15:48:21 < dongs> and leaving VCC not c onnected 2015-04-17T15:49:01 < dongs> also: using F303 wit built in opamps and then hooking up an external one 2015-04-17T15:49:07 < dongs> ???? 2015-04-17T15:49:51 < dongs> (just to get a 4x current amplifier) 2015-04-17T15:49:55 < dongs> err, voltage 2015-04-17T15:52:57 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T15:53:42 < _Sync_> wat 2015-04-17T15:54:07 < _Sync_> the people with the malfunctioning smoke detectors? 2015-04-17T15:57:51 < Laurenceb__> where did you find this? 2015-04-17T16:00:03 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@84.246.161.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T16:00:12 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T16:02:43 < Laurenceb__> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/usUtskhI5yvbGgIU.medium 2015-04-17T16:02:45 < Laurenceb__> i see TI 2015-04-17T16:03:37 < dongs> nah these are like dickstarter-like dudes who think they're the next nest 2015-04-17T16:03:52 < dongs> not actual nest 2015-04-17T16:03:55 < dongs> but tehre's IoT and assdroid involved 2015-04-17T16:04:22 < superbia> sup inventors 2015-04-17T16:04:37 < kakimir> what is that thinge 2015-04-17T16:04:53 < dongs> interwebs-enabled-spying-on-you thermostat 2015-04-17T16:05:12 < kakimir> there are such already 2015-04-17T16:05:58 < _Sync_> kek 2015-04-17T16:06:19 < superbia> GOOGLE'S NEST THERMOSTAT has been rooted by hackers at the Black Hat Conference in Las Vegas. 2015-04-17T16:06:21 < superbia> In the demonstration that the team has replicated on Youtube, Daniel Buentello from the University of Central Florida shows how he is able to gain root access and remote control over a Nest thermostat via USB in 15 seconds. 2015-04-17T16:06:37 < superbia> fail 2015-04-17T16:06:45 < superbia> he needs USB to hack it 2015-04-17T16:06:48 < superbia> looser 2015-04-17T16:08:14 < karlp> yeah, getting pretty sick of those sorts of hacks 2015-04-17T16:08:14 < kakimir> with danfoss thermostat you can access from anywhere in the world 2015-04-17T16:08:25 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-17T16:08:45 < karlp> there was even a talk at one of the conferences saying to stop suggesting talks that involved, "so I dismantled it and I could reflash it! omg 0wnz" 2015-04-17T16:09:06 < _Sync_> wow! 2015-04-17T16:09:52 < superbia> heh 2015-04-17T16:10:20 < superbia> light sensor in case -> selfdestruct 2015-04-17T16:10:35 < superbia> costs $0.2 2015-04-17T16:12:55 < dongs> > hackers 2015-04-17T16:12:57 < dongs> > basements 2015-04-17T16:13:05 < dongs> i don't think a light sensor would work very well 2015-04-17T16:13:54 < _Sync_> superbia: that means 20ct less profit! 2015-04-17T16:13:57 < ReadError> whats the big deal 2015-04-17T16:14:11 < ReadError> if someone breaks in to your house and only fucks with the thermostat 2015-04-17T16:14:15 < ReadError> well, consider yourself lucky 2015-04-17T16:14:17 < superbia> you fuck him 2015-04-17T16:14:24 < superbia> right ReadError ? 2015-04-17T16:14:33 < ReadError> depends how cute 2015-04-17T16:14:37 < ReadError> tehehehehehe 2015-04-17T16:14:58 < superbia> ReadError: if dongs breaks in your basement, what would you do 2015-04-17T16:15:07 < ReadError> harakiri 2015-04-17T16:15:38 < karlp> I'd ask him how he got there, I didn't know I had a basement! 2015-04-17T16:15:51 < kakimir> self destructing electronics.. have you concidered putting small pieces of high explosives to your ram chips and then connecting it to motherboards i2c bus or so 2015-04-17T16:16:11 < superbia> have you ever tried using non-explosives to destruce electronics? 2015-04-17T16:16:37 < superbia> i think Laurenceb__ likes to put high voltages on his pcbs, and it works just as well as an explosive would 2015-04-17T16:16:45 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-17T16:17:08 < karlp> that usb danger plug just used low voltages... just very low... 2015-04-17T16:17:33 < dongs> I got a better idea 2015-04-17T16:17:49 < superbia> for? 2015-04-17T16:18:20 < _Sync_> just use milspec processors with selfdestruct feature 2015-04-17T16:19:42 < PeterM> just make garbage product so nobody buys, since nobdy buys, nobody can hack, simple 2015-04-17T16:20:27 < _Sync_> ^ 2015-04-17T16:23:10 < superbia> _Sync_: what milspec procs have selfdestruct 2015-04-17T16:23:16 < superbia> enlighten me pls 2015-04-17T16:23:59 < _Sync_> some motorola trash 2015-04-17T16:24:02 < superbia> btw 2 steps ahead of lunix http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/16/http_sys_exploit_wild_ms15_034/ 2015-04-17T16:24:11 < superbia> _Sync_: destruct when doin what? 2015-04-17T16:24:22 < _Sync_> writing the self destruct register 2015-04-17T16:24:35 < superbia> _Sync_: have you ever studied some chip probing? 2015-04-17T16:24:50 < _Sync_> yes 2015-04-17T16:24:53 < superbia> every year theres a talk on blackhat/defcon 2015-04-17T16:31:44 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvndzzzgggpvrdbp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T16:43:57 < dongs> faghat 2015-04-17T16:44:03 < dongs> those meets are fucking useless 2015-04-17T16:46:03 < Laurenceb__> any zano news? 2015-04-17T16:52:19 < dongs> nope 2015-04-17T16:56:45 < englishman> on track for february delivery? 2015-04-17T16:58:41 < englishman> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/617/829/d988ed27df62c730c001c91a600cde1d_original.jpg?v=1429102672&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=12abceefdce6fb14a82e90dcd8506a11 2015-04-17T17:04:18 < Laurenceb__> http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/ 2015-04-17T17:04:20 < Laurenceb__> troll 2015-04-17T17:08:25 < dongs> 1retimileD912% 2015-04-17T17:08:25 < dongs> funded 2015-04-17T17:08:26 < dongs> $669,436 2015-04-17T17:08:26 < dongs> pledged 2015-04-17T17:08:26 < dongs> 27 2015-04-17T17:08:28 < dongs> days to go 2015-04-17T17:08:30 < dongs> what 2015-04-17T17:08:36 < dongs> "retimile" 2015-04-17T17:09:01 < Laurenceb__> wut 2015-04-17T17:10:22 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/587/484/71a66d1e76bbe79b49387992f369f60c_original.gif?v=1428615511&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bbbe1f49fa20f985fc8ca437dc32245a 2015-04-17T17:10:27 < dongs> want to stab 2015-04-17T17:10:31 < dongs> fucking hipsters 2015-04-17T17:10:35 < dongs> latte-sipping faggots 2015-04-17T17:12:42 -!- 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2015-04-17T17:21:44 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-17T17:21:47 < dongs> what the fuck are these trash specs 2015-04-17T17:21:54 < dongs> not even extreme i7 2015-04-17T17:22:02 < dongs> not even broadwel lor wahtever the fuck is current gen shti 2015-04-17T17:22:07 < PeterM> and like 2x 780s? really? 2015-04-17T17:22:09 < dongs> PLZ GIEV ME 4.5K ON OLD SHIT 2015-04-17T17:23:19 < Laurenceb__> wait wut 2015-04-17T17:23:32 < Laurenceb__> he wants people to buy him a gayming machine 2015-04-17T17:23:39 < dongs> basically 2015-04-17T17:32:02 < PeterM> Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like? 2015-04-17T17:32:21 < Laurenceb__> no 2015-04-17T17:37:19 < karlp> anyone knwo what sort of wireless power/comms this is likely to be? http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/carlogavazzi-teardown-pics/IMG_9205.jpg ? 2015-04-17T17:37:47 < karlp> comms is via that yellow coil glued into the wall 2015-04-17T17:43:46 < dongs> atmega???????????????????????? 2015-04-17T17:43:52 < dongs> maybe some low-khz NFC shite? 2015-04-17T17:44:09 < dongs> what does it actually talk to 2015-04-17T17:47:26 < dongs> Laurenceb__ busted http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Man-sex-dog-film-accidentally-sent-video/story-26343344-detail/story.html 2015-04-17T17:48:43 < Laurenceb__> "the cloud" 2015-04-17T17:48:50 < dongs> blame the cloud 2015-04-17T17:49:16 < Laurenceb__> "He spends most of his time at home drawing or playing XBox" 2015-04-17T17:49:21 < Laurenceb__> typical irc user 2015-04-17T17:49:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-160-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T17:49:50 < Laurenceb__> £80 victim surcharge 2015-04-17T17:49:51 < dongs> £80 victim surcharge. 2015-04-17T17:49:51 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-17T17:49:52 < dongs> haha 2015-04-17T17:50:17 < Laurenceb__> lol the trollments 2015-04-17T17:51:21 < dongs> haha 2015-04-17T17:51:28 < dongs> nothing about animal cruelty 2015-04-17T17:51:30 < dongs> true, 2015-04-17T17:51:34 < dongs> they should have charged him for that, too 2015-04-17T17:51:43 < dongs> also the burning question was it a female or male dog 2015-04-17T17:51:50 < Laurenceb__> but what if the dog enjoyed it 2015-04-17T17:52:11 < Laurenceb__> they would have to watch the video to find out... 2015-04-17T17:52:25 < scrts_w> dong licked the balls! 2015-04-17T17:52:27 < scrts_w> sorry, dog 2015-04-17T17:53:18 < dongs> tehy probably did anyway 2015-04-17T17:53:27 < dongs> but the girlfriend obviosuly didnt enjoy it 2015-04-17T17:53:30 < dongs> maybe shew got jealous 2015-04-17T17:53:46 < dongs> like, his sticking his dong into this dog, but not into may 2015-04-17T17:53:50 < dongs> er , may=me 2015-04-17T17:54:07 < scrts_w> the conclusion is: dog is more beautiful than she is 2015-04-17T17:54:15 < scrts_w> aaand.. has a better hole 2015-04-17T17:55:12 < Laurenceb__> ewww 2015-04-17T18:00:28 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand 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there any nice readings I can do on this sort of thing? are there any standard methods? 2015-04-17T18:08:03 < karlp> how do you get the signal back out of modulated power? 2015-04-17T18:09:02 < karlp> can you get bidir that way? 2015-04-17T18:09:25 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-36-207.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-17T18:09:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T18:31:25 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T18:31:29 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-17T18:32:08 < jpa-> anyone ever used this? http://www.pulsonix.com/ 2015-04-17T18:32:17 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T18:33:11 < zyp> never heard about it 2015-04-17T18:33:36 < jpa-> me neither; a friend is considering buying it for his business 2015-04-17T18:33:54 < jpa-> he's too cheap for altium :P 2015-04-17T18:33:58 < zyp> how's it priced? 2015-04-17T18:34:19 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-17T18:34:19 < jpa-> apparently sub-$1000, not sure which of the licenses though 2015-04-17T18:34:33 < zyp> heh, they have licenses limited by pin count 2015-04-17T18:34:39 < zyp> 1000-pin, 2000-pin 2015-04-17T18:34:46 < jpa-> yeah :D 2015-04-17T18:34:57 < jpa-> well, makes more sense than by board size like eagle :) 2015-04-17T18:35:12 < zyp> which makes me wonder how many pins my typical designs have 2015-04-17T18:35:36 < zyp> well, for board complexity, sure 2015-04-17T18:37:55 < PeterM> think about how many pins resisors and caps take up 2015-04-17T18:39:27 < jpa-> well, 100 for typical mcu, assume each pin is connected to something else, and that something else to ground; total 300 pins 2015-04-17T18:39:38 < jpa-> then 2x if 100 pin fpga on board etc. 2015-04-17T18:39:54 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- I'm counting 585 on this, if I remember the bottom side right 2015-04-17T18:39:59 < Getty> the fire tv stick is really a joke, at first it requires real power, usb power is NOT enough, and then even installing a free app create an amazon order (so email triggering and all that) 2015-04-17T18:40:47 < Getty> and the thing itself is more like a sales platform, first thing: activate kids security against payment, cause you have 50% buttons where you have to pay extra.... just wow, and i thought chromecast was bad direction 2015-04-17T18:40:54 < zyp> and that's a fairly simple design, it just an fpga and two 16-bit wide data buses 2015-04-17T18:43:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> Anyone done any work with stepper motors? I've got a weird behaviour where driving at a high step rate is smooth, but stepping slowly is terrible - moves in big jumps that seem like multiple steps 2015-04-17T18:44:12 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: I like chromecast, what about it did you not like? 2015-04-17T18:44:58 < Getty> it reaction time was horrible, and the feature set was .... pretty limited 2015-04-17T18:45:41 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: Reaction time? I just use mine for streaming video and occasionally mirroring screen which seems to work well 2015-04-17T18:45:43 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: hook up a logic analyzer and see if the step stream looks good? 2015-04-17T18:46:25 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: other cause may be mechanical "stiction", if it is not just a stepper sitting on your table 2015-04-17T18:46:28 < zyp> trepidaciousMBR2, are you sure the steps aren't just bigger than what you expect? 2015-04-17T18:46:40 < Getty> trepidacious: changing volume, skip, play, anything 2015-04-17T18:46:45 < trepidaciousMBR2> trepidaciousMBR2: Yup I could give that a go. I'm using an L6742 so it should pretty much just do its own thing ;) 2015-04-17T18:46:46 < Getty> the delay was like horrible 2015-04-17T18:47:44 < trepidaciousMBR2> zyp: They seem right, 1.8 degrees. When going fast the movement speed is right, but when going slowly I get maybe two big jumps per revolution 2015-04-17T18:48:01 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: Yup it's just setting on my desk, not really driving anything 2015-04-17T18:48:51 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: Ah right, it wasn't too bad for me, but I mainly just use it for streaming. I can imagine it's suboptimal as an external display for android 2015-04-17T18:49:10 < jpa-> hmm, yeah, it's a bit more confusing if you get that with L6472 2015-04-17T18:49:37 < Getty> trepidacious: i was very disappointed that google actually sold this without feeling bad 2015-04-17T18:49:41 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: I've tried different drive currents, can't think of much else to change 2015-04-17T18:49:55 < zyp> I got a chromecast a while back to dick around with, enabled dev mode on it 2015-04-17T18:49:58 < zyp> neat little thing 2015-04-17T18:50:00 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: Really? I bought one, really liked it and bought more for family, they're pretty good with it too 2015-04-17T18:50:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: I've got an Apple TV I don't use any more because the chromecast works better, even on iOS 2015-04-17T18:50:32 < Getty> i must have a different device ;) 2015-04-17T18:50:35 < trepidaciousMBR2> on android it's even better due to better notification stuff 2015-04-17T18:51:01 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: Maybe it's a wifi issue? Wireless can be weird ;) 2015-04-17T18:51:16 < zyp> the only thing that I didn't really like is the fact that it's designed exclusively to be a slave device 2015-04-17T18:52:00 < zyp> it's essentially just a web browser, so it'd be neat if you could configure it to boot directly to a given page 2015-04-17T18:52:05 < trepidaciousMBR2> I thought it was quite a neat approach, AFAIK it's much more open than Apple TV since you can get pretty much any app or streaming service to work with it 2015-04-17T18:52:05 < Getty> trepidaciousMBR2: i must find it again, i just throw it around somewhere 2015-04-17T18:52:15 < Getty> but the amazon thing is "instant" on anything ;) at least that 2015-04-17T18:52:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: Maybe you had old firmware, it might update and fix itself you never know ;) 2015-04-17T18:52:35 < zyp> trepidaciousMBR2, any streaming service that works with html5 2015-04-17T18:53:07 < zyp> telling a chromecast to run an app is essentially «navigate to this webpage» 2015-04-17T18:53:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> I'm not as keen on Amazon, last time I checked they didn't have many subtitles and the annual subscription is weird 2015-04-17T18:53:15 < Getty> i dont know apple tv, i cant compare to that ;) but i hoped for it being a good way to send my youtube to the TV or using Kodi and send to there, i thought it might be more reliable as my TV-internal computer 2015-04-17T18:53:22 < trepidaciousMBR2> zyp: Yup it's a nice way to do streaming without reinventing the wheel 2015-04-17T18:53:32 < zyp> true 2015-04-17T18:53:40 < Getty> and EXACTLY THAT was like totally not working with this delay 2015-04-17T18:53:56 < Getty> its really sad that wired network is so out even for that kind of stationary devices 2015-04-17T18:54:05 < zyp> Getty, duh, that's what it's designed to do, of course it works 2015-04-17T18:54:15 < trepidaciousMBR2> Getty: I only used mine briefly with mirroring just to see if it worked, it seemed ok but I didn't use it for long 2015-04-17T18:54:37 < Getty> zyp: as said, i had a horrible horrible delay when i used it, made me crazy 2015-04-17T18:54:44 < emeb> zyp: oh master of timers - is there any way to get an STM32 timer to generate a fixed number of pulses after triggering and then stop? 2015-04-17T18:54:46 < trepidaciousMBR2> Pretty much everything is going wireless though, you can't fight it ;) 2015-04-17T18:54:48 < zyp> maybe you should fix your wlan then 2015-04-17T18:55:17 < zyp> emeb, hmm, good question 2015-04-17T18:56:17 < zyp> emeb, I would assume you could have a oneshot timer for the full duration, and a slave timer making the pulses 2015-04-17T18:56:38 < emeb> zyp: so use one timer to gate another. 2015-04-17T18:56:44 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-17T18:56:55 < emeb> sounds feasible 2015-04-17T18:57:16 < zyp> yeah, gated mode should work 2015-04-17T18:57:35 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-17T18:57:42 < emeb> zyp: cool - I'll study that. 2015-04-17T18:58:06 < emeb> still trying to figure out a way to make SPI run from DMA unattended by SW. 2015-04-17T18:58:22 < emeb> with /CS not coming from gpio 2015-04-17T18:59:16 < emeb> a pal has figured out how to do it on an F4 by triggering one DMA from three output channels of a timer, but that mode isn't available on other STM32Fx families. 2015-04-17T19:00:14 < zyp> looks like gated mode is the only slave mode that can stop a timer 2015-04-17T19:01:54 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats how i did OFDM 2015-04-17T19:03:57 < emeb> Laurenceb__: what did you do? 2015-04-17T19:05:11 < Laurenceb__> its on my github somewhere 2015-04-17T19:05:37 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Timer.c 2015-04-17T19:06:34 < Laurenceb__> it should be possible to make it do quadrature too 2015-04-17T19:06:44 < Laurenceb__> but i only needed fixed phases 2015-04-17T19:07:32 < Laurenceb__> so theoretically you could add a tight analogue filter and then a mixer, for IQ -> RF with no DSP overhead 2015-04-17T19:08:09 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5d8003a7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T19:08:37 < zyp> that's surely useful for generating CS between bytes for DMA SPI transfers 2015-04-17T19:09:12 < trepidaciousMBR2> zyp: I needed that for this L6472, it has odd SPI. To my shame I just send individual bytes and toggle GPIO :) 2015-04-17T19:09:46 < Laurenceb__> emeb: output is here https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/hardware/tek00003-phasetest.png 2015-04-17T19:10:18 < emeb> Laurenceb__: I have no idea what I'm looking at there. 2015-04-17T19:10:44 < Laurenceb__> pwm -> analogue filtering -> free space optical link 2015-04-17T19:10:57 < Laurenceb__> thats after filtering 2015-04-17T19:13:38 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: why not just have IRQ toggle the gpio at start & end of transfer? 2015-04-17T19:13:45 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-17T19:13:51 < Laurenceb__> "too obvious" 2015-04-17T19:14:13 < Getty> Achmed is real: http://www.thepcmdgazette.com/islamic-suicide-bomber-trainer-accidentally-blows-up-his-entire-class/ 2015-04-17T19:14:17 < emeb> jpa-: I'm trying to do the same thing - auto generated /CS for a SPI device. 2015-04-17T19:14:29 < emeb> The idea is to have unattended DMA-generated output 2015-04-17T19:14:30 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: It's under ChibiOS so I can just run it in a thread and it's not really a problem, just seems messy 2015-04-17T19:14:49 < Laurenceb__> ok 2015-04-17T19:14:50 < emeb> so the CPU doesn't have to manage everything and can work on other stuff while data streams out auto. 2015-04-17T19:14:58 < Laurenceb__> cant you trigger dma from timers? 2015-04-17T19:15:21 < emeb> Laurenceb__: yes, but for a 24-bit transfer things get interesting 2015-04-17T19:15:34 < Laurenceb__> 24bit ?! 2015-04-17T19:15:50 < qyx_> mhm, couln't you abuse i2s mode? 2015-04-17T19:16:06 < emeb> yes - TI SPI DAC requires 24 bit transfer for 16 bits of data - 8 bit control word + 16 data 2015-04-17T19:16:07 < qyx_> and lrclk or whatever to generate cs 2015-04-17T19:16:28 < Laurenceb__> isnt that three signal byte transfers? 2015-04-17T19:16:34 < emeb> Laurenceb__: yep 2015-04-17T19:17:02 < Laurenceb__> surely gated timers would work 2015-04-17T19:17:29 < emeb> Laurenceb__: that's what zyp and I were discussing 2015-04-17T19:17:58 < emeb> qyx_: can't use I2S because clock runs continuous and that confuses the DAC chip 2015-04-17T19:18:26 < Laurenceb__> so one timer gates its output 2015-04-17T19:18:29 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-04-17T19:18:40 < Laurenceb__> the gate needs to be delayed 2015-04-17T19:18:49 < Laurenceb__> maybe not actually 2015-04-17T19:19:05 < Laurenceb__> you could start the two timers off with a count offset 2015-04-17T19:19:05 < jpa-> clearly we need QSPI for all these hacks 2015-04-17T19:19:22 < jpa-> so that we can abuse one bit for CLK :P 2015-04-17T19:19:37 < Laurenceb__> so first timer starts at zero, second is half way through its count at init 2015-04-17T19:19:42 < jpa-> or maybe some future STM32 will have a small FPGA on board ;) 2015-04-17T19:19:46 < qyx_> lol 2015-04-17T19:19:58 < Laurenceb__> second one resets in ~1/3rd the time of the first 2015-04-17T19:20:07 < Laurenceb__> so it loops three times 2015-04-17T19:20:25 < Laurenceb__> and first timer triggers DMA to the GPIO 2015-04-17T19:20:32 < Laurenceb__> something like that anyway... 2015-04-17T19:21:32 < emeb> jpa-: did you ever see those crazy ADUC parts from Analog Devices - they had a tiny chunk of RAM-based PAL on-chip for such logic. 2015-04-17T19:22:31 < zyp> jpa-, I suspect LPC SGPIO could do this 2015-04-17T19:24:18 < zyp> qyx_, I was thinking about that myself 2015-04-17T19:24:31 < zyp> actually, if you need a pulse between each 24-bit word, that should work 2015-04-17T19:24:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbvyitpvdxjqudpc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-17T19:36:21 < ds2> those aduc parts from adi are neat 2015-04-17T19:36:55 < emeb> They were neat 10 years ago 2015-04-17T19:38:17 < emeb> Almost used one in a product back then but the ARM7 core in it was soooo sloooow and the peripherals (SPI, etc) were poorly thought out. 2015-04-17T19:39:01 < ds2> depends on how you see it 2015-04-17T19:39:20 < ds2> the analog on there is better then the psoc stuff 2015-04-17T19:39:31 < ds2> but they lack tools to program the PAL on there 2015-04-17T19:40:57 < emeb> The PAL was simple enough that it wasn't too tough to do by hand. 2015-04-17T19:41:20 < emeb> nice for routing timers and IRQs around at least. 2015-04-17T19:44:25 < qyx_> has anyone tried to control a standard bipolar stepper the bldc sensorless way? 2015-04-17T19:44:27 < kakimir> what is the shit atm for patch of ~10 2sided 10x10 pcbs? is there any new pcb shops worth try? 2015-04-17T19:45:22 < qyx_> both are similar by design, they just have different number of phases 2015-04-17T19:45:27 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T19:45:37 < zyp> qyx_, are they really? 2015-04-17T19:45:48 < qyx_> coils & magnets 2015-04-17T19:46:07 < zyp> in that case, all electromotors are similar :p 2015-04-17T19:46:16 < qyx_> nah 2015-04-17T19:46:24 < qyx_> they are both permanent magnet synchronous motors 2015-04-17T19:46:36 < jpa-> yeah, just 2 phase vs. 3 2015-04-17T19:46:39 < _Sync_> qyx_: you mean, microstepping it? 2015-04-17T19:46:53 < qyx_> _Sync_: no, i mean drive them with feedback just like bldc 2015-04-17T19:46:58 < _Sync_> hm 2015-04-17T19:47:05 < _Sync_> dunno what the benefit would be 2015-04-17T19:47:07 < jpa-> why not just use bldc at that point 2015-04-17T19:47:11 < _Sync_> but should be entirely reasonable 2015-04-17T19:47:14 < qyx_> i am not seeking any benefit 2015-04-17T19:47:24 < qyx_> but micro steppers are available for cheap on ebay 2015-04-17T19:47:31 < qyx_> bldcs aren't 2015-04-17T19:47:34 < zyp> qyx_, where would you measure the feedback? 2015-04-17T19:47:48 < _Sync_> BLDCs are cheep on ebay 2015-04-17T19:47:57 < qyx_> zyp: sensorless, driving one coil and measuring the other 2015-04-17T19:48:04 < _Sync_> just got three yaskawa 100W ones for 25€ each 2015-04-17T19:48:15 < zyp> qyx_, how would you measure it? 2015-04-17T19:48:16 < qyx_> _Sync_: i mean something like ~10mm dia 2015-04-17T19:48:35 < qyx_> zyp: adc? just like bldc controllers are doing this 2015-04-17T19:48:56 < qyx_> they are measuring voltage on the floating phase compared to a "virtual neutral" 2015-04-17T19:49:24 < qyx_> but there is a difference as on 2phase steppers, the two coils are not electrically conencted 2015-04-17T19:49:26 < zyp> bldc controllers are measuring voltage in a single point between two windings, you're proposing to measure a winding not connected to anything 2015-04-17T19:49:45 < qyx_> yes 2015-04-17T19:49:55 < qyx_> i mean, you are right 2015-04-17T19:49:57 < zyp> and that's why I'm asking how you'll measure it 2015-04-17T19:50:01 < _Sync_> you can also do it the proper way and just measure phase current 2015-04-17T19:50:51 < qyx_> if one coil is energized, you could measure voltage on the second coil 2015-04-17T19:50:58 < zyp> I assume you could measure it by applying a load and measuring the voltage across the load 2015-04-17T19:51:00 < qyx_> between its terminals 2015-04-17T19:51:20 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-17T19:51:37 < zyp> eh, you can't measure voltage without a load 2015-04-17T19:51:44 < _Sync_> well, what would you measure? :D 2015-04-17T19:52:20 < qyx_> wut 2015-04-17T19:52:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T19:54:15 < zyp> hmm, disregard 2015-04-17T19:54:38 < qyx_> did you mean the current? 2015-04-17T19:54:53 < zyp> no 2015-04-17T19:55:25 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T19:55:50 < qyx_> meh 2015-04-17T19:59:49 < englishman> jpa-: yes ive tried it out 2015-04-17T20:00:00 < englishman> apparently Matrox uses it along with mentor 2015-04-17T20:00:06 < englishman> so it must be pro 2015-04-17T20:02:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-17T20:03:09 -!- caspinol [~caspinol@remote.airspeed.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-17T20:33:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-17T20:35:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T21:00:42 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-17T21:01:47 < emeb> zyp: can the repetition counter allow you more than one pulse in one-pulse mode? 2015-04-17T21:02:24 < zyp> is there a repetition counter? 2015-04-17T21:02:37 < emeb> yes. 2015-04-17T21:02:47 < zyp> huh, hang on, let me check the RM 2015-04-17T21:04:46 < zyp> oh, that's an advanced feature 2015-04-17T21:04:51 < zyp> TIM1/8 only 2015-04-17T21:06:16 < emeb> ah 2015-04-17T21:07:30 < zyp> but yeah, that might be possible 2015-04-17T21:07:47 < zyp> the RM doesn't state it conclusively either way 2015-04-17T21:07:49 < emeb> kind of hard to tell from the docs. 2015-04-17T21:07:54 < emeb> try and see I guess 2015-04-17T21:08:02 < zyp> yep, let me know how that goes 2015-04-17T21:08:05 < emeb> :) 2015-04-17T21:08:44 < zyp> the repetition counter is a sort of divider on the update event frequency, and the one pulse mode is supposed to stop at the first update event 2015-04-17T21:08:58 < emeb> yes 2015-04-17T21:09:07 < zyp> so it just depends on whether it gets the event before or after that optional division 2015-04-17T21:10:24 < zyp> since nothing is stated and either is plausible, I wouldn't even want to guess :) 2015-04-17T21:10:32 < emeb> heh 2015-04-17T21:10:58 < emeb> another dumb question - I'm having a hard time figuring out how you control which output channel generates the internal trigger output 2015-04-17T21:11:05 < emeb> pointer? 2015-04-17T21:11:09 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T21:11:53 < zyp> isn't there a table somewhere? 2015-04-17T21:13:26 < zyp> oh, channels 2015-04-17T21:13:33 < zyp> I was thinking how the timers are linked 2015-04-17T21:13:39 < emeb> every timer that's slave-capable has a table telling what timers its ITRs come from. 2015-04-17T21:13:56 < emeb> but it just says "TIMx" - not which output. 2015-04-17T21:14:05 < zyp> yeah, right 2015-04-17T21:14:28 < zyp> hang on 2015-04-17T21:14:36 < emeb> reading Laurenceb__ 2015-04-17T21:14:57 < zyp> CR2.MMS selects TRGO function 2015-04-17T21:15:32 < emeb> ah - there it is. right in front of me. :P 2015-04-17T21:16:25 < emeb> ok - time to figure this out. 2015-04-17T21:17:23 < zyp> if you're using two timers, you probably want to just use MMS=1 on the one-shot timer and SMS=5 on the slave 2015-04-17T21:17:37 < zyp> that way, the slave will stop as soon as the master stops 2015-04-17T21:18:49 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T21:18:54 < emeb> hmmm 2015-04-17T21:19:02 < karlp> yeah, I found working out that internal trigger stuff confusing too 2015-04-17T21:19:06 < emeb> but I want the master to be running continously 2015-04-17T21:19:20 < zyp> no, it's the slave that will be running continously 2015-04-17T21:19:31 < zyp> or? 2015-04-17T21:20:43 < emeb> master generates /CS with a fixed duty cycle and period. falling edge triggers slave to generate 3 pulses. If possible. 2015-04-17T21:21:04 < emeb> of low state enables slave to generate three pulses 2015-04-17T21:21:12 < emeb> that cause DMA loads to SPI 2015-04-17T21:21:15 < zyp> oh, you need two CS signals? 2015-04-17T21:21:20 < emeb> no just one 2015-04-17T21:23:02 < zyp> why would master be running continously? shouldn't it be limited by number of bytes? 2015-04-17T21:23:11 < zyp> or are you doing circular DMA? 2015-04-17T21:23:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-17T21:23:37 < emeb> circular 2015-04-17T21:23:46 < zyp> okay 2015-04-17T21:23:59 < zyp> okay, then I agree 2015-04-17T21:24:14 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-17T21:25:18 < zyp> MMS=2 (update event to TRGO), SMS=6 (start on TRGI) 2015-04-17T21:25:58 < zyp> or you could use one of the channels instead of update if you would like to offset it 2015-04-17T21:26:05 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T21:26:13 < emeb> yes, that's what I was thinking 2015-04-17T21:26:20 < emeb> (channel for offset) 2015-04-17T21:26:57 < zyp> either is possible 2015-04-17T21:27:20 < zyp> hmm, wait 2015-04-17T21:27:25 < zyp> no, that won't work :p 2015-04-17T21:27:59 < zyp> that would only give you one event on slave, you want three 2015-04-17T21:29:40 < emeb> If rep ctr allows slave to run 3x then that would work. 2015-04-17T21:29:51 < zyp> better idea: MMS=4-7 (OCx to TRGO), SMS = 5 (gated mode) 2015-04-17T21:29:59 < zyp> both timers continous 2015-04-17T21:30:10 < emeb> yes - that's the alternative if rep ctr doesn't work. 2015-04-17T21:30:22 < zyp> pulse width of OCx on master must equal three times the period of slave 2015-04-17T21:30:32 < emeb> yes - otherwise there will be precession 2015-04-17T21:31:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T21:31:29 < zyp> and you also need to make sure the generated events are spaced appropriately to give enough delay between first/last bit and CS edges 2015-04-17T21:32:27 < zyp> hmm, there's another way as well 2015-04-17T21:32:30 < emeb> yes, although the FIFO on the SPI input will ensure that the data doesn't get lost 2015-04-17T21:32:40 < emeb> if pulses happen too close 2015-04-17T21:32:46 < emeb> what's alternative? 2015-04-17T21:33:09 -!- dario [~dario@31-178-249-8.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T21:33:57 < zyp> hmm, no, what I had in mind would require three timers, that's just dumb :p 2015-04-17T21:34:15 < emeb> :( 2015-04-17T21:34:43 < zyp> you could have master trigger dma, another timer counting pulses from that, trigging a third timer in oneshot mode to pulse CS 2015-04-17T21:35:20 < zyp> that would also require enough space between every byte for a possible CS pulse 2015-04-17T21:35:50 < emeb> doable if max frequency isn't an issue 2015-04-17T21:39:40 < dario> I am a novice in this field. I use (arm-none-EABI-gcc). I noticed a strange situation: when I type "st-flash write blinky.bin 0x8000000" is ok, but as I turn the reset button - everything goes. ??? 2015-04-17T21:39:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T21:40:02 < dario> wtf 2015-04-17T21:40:04 < dario> ??? 2015-04-17T21:40:43 < emeb> "turn the reset button" what does that mean? 2015-04-17T21:43:24 < dario> przycisk reset (używam stm32f4-discovery) 2015-04-17T21:43:48 < dario> :-) reset button (use stm32f4-discovery) 2015-04-17T21:44:39 < zyp> you mean «press reset» 2015-04-17T21:45:27 < dario> or take out the usb cable from the port 2015-04-17T21:45:33 < zyp> so what you're saying is that your program works right after programming, but not after reset? 2015-04-17T21:45:45 < dario> yes press reset 2015-04-17T21:46:38 < dario> zyp exactly 2015-04-17T21:46:41 < zyp> sounds like you're making some assumption about system state that's true after programming, but not after a full system reset 2015-04-17T21:47:20 < zyp> I suggest checking with gdb where it gets stuck 2015-04-17T21:49:51 < zyp> emeb, hmm, I wonder if you used DMA to write to DMA registers, if you could use that to implement a full turing machine :p 2015-04-17T21:50:12 < emeb> zyp: haha 2015-04-17T21:50:48 < emeb> a selection of switchers -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/2015-04-17%2011.47.19.jpg 2015-04-17T21:51:23 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T21:52:16 < zyp> that last module looks like «hey, let's cut out the power regulation part of this board» 2015-04-17T21:52:35 < emeb> last on left or right? 2015-04-17T21:52:43 < zyp> rightmost 2015-04-17T21:52:58 < emeb> the little leadless module. 2015-04-17T21:53:04 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-17T21:53:09 < emeb> I know some guys using that - apparently they're fragile. 2015-04-17T21:53:36 < zyp> I mean, the module itself consumes as much board area as the individual parts would 2015-04-17T21:53:37 < emeb> the label is on top of a ferrite bobbin and it cracks & falls apart if you look at it funny. 2015-04-17T21:53:43 < emeb> true 2015-04-17T21:53:43 < zyp> not counting other layers 2015-04-17T21:54:01 < emeb> ya 2015-04-17T21:54:33 < emeb> the other two are designed as drop-in replacements for 780x 3-terminal TO-220 devices. 2015-04-17T21:55:12 < emeb> all less than $5 in qty1 2015-04-17T21:55:22 < emeb> the black one is like $2 2015-04-17T21:55:26 < zyp> hmm, I wonder how the regulator on that last board I designed is going to perform 2015-04-17T21:55:41 < emeb> what was it? 2015-04-17T21:55:49 < zyp> some richtek part 2015-04-17T21:56:08 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/j6lhi.png 2015-04-17T21:56:35 < zyp> looking forward to see how the supercap stuff will perform as well 2015-04-17T21:57:25 < emeb> this is the one that just has to last while the battery is swapped? 2015-04-17T21:58:32 < zyp> uh, nobody specified how long it needs to last, it was more of a «the previous solution had rtc backup, so this must too» 2015-04-17T21:58:52 < emeb> ah. is the supercap on that schematic? 2015-04-17T21:59:08 < zyp> no, I hadn't drawn the symbol yet, it's parallel to C33 2015-04-17T21:59:21 < emeb> right - 100n didn't seem too super. 2015-04-17T21:59:35 < zyp> it's 200m 2015-04-17T21:59:38 < zyp> the supercap 2015-04-17T21:59:44 < emeb> big 2015-04-17T21:59:55 < emeb> what's the physical size? 2015-04-17T22:00:13 < zyp> 6.8mm diameter 2015-04-17T22:00:24 < zyp> but flat 2015-04-17T22:00:25 < emeb> pretty smalll akshully 2015-04-17T22:01:01 < emeb> I put a battery on a recent STM32 design for giggles. 2015-04-17T22:01:31 < emeb> just used a BAT54C to mux VDD and battery onto VBAT. 2015-04-17T22:01:52 < zyp> why? there's an internal mux for backup domain 2015-04-17T22:02:32 < emeb> because the datasheet says to tie VBAT to VDD if it's not used. 2015-04-17T22:02:45 < emeb> and I wouldn't always have a battery there. 2015-04-17T22:02:59 < zyp> no, I'm pretty sure it says you can leave it unconnected 2015-04-17T22:03:12 < zyp> because that's what I've always done 2015-04-17T22:03:30 < emeb> ah. for some reason I recall the suggestion to tie it. 2015-04-17T22:03:35 < Steffanx> i've always connected it to VDD 2015-04-17T22:08:02 < zyp> oh, right, F4 RM actually says it's recommended to connect it to Vdd 2015-04-17T22:08:07 < zyp> I read that as not required :p 2015-04-17T22:09:01 < Steffanx> datasheets says it too. 2015-04-17T22:09:06 < Steffanx> -s 2015-04-17T22:09:32 < zyp> hmm, F3 RM says it's required 2015-04-17T22:09:53 < zyp> wonder where I read it was not 2015-04-17T22:11:44 < zyp> oh, another place it says recommended 2015-04-17T22:16:14 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-17T22:41:56 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T22:44:25 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-36-207.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T22:48:20 -!- ColdKeyboard [~coldkeybo@cable-188-2-2-174.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T22:48:48 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a tutorial on how to use Netbeans IDE and GNU Tools ARM Embedded? 2015-04-17T22:48:53 < ColdKeyboard> for Windows 2015-04-17T22:49:27 < ColdKeyboard> I just got STM32F103C8 dev board and I would love to try and compile at least hello world tonight :) 2015-04-17T22:51:20 < qyx_> uh, netbeans? 2015-04-17T22:51:45 < ColdKeyboard> NetBeans IDE :) 2015-04-17T23:01:24 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone? :\ 2015-04-17T23:03:00 < Steffanx> it shouldnt be that different from using any other toolchain 2015-04-17T23:03:45 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T23:11:25 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T23:12:15 < emeb> zyp: repetition counter + one pulse mode works to generate N pulses! 2015-04-17T23:12:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-17T23:13:25 < qyx_> i doubt that anyone here is using netbeans to do embedded development 2015-04-17T23:13:27 < qyx_> but i may be wrong 2015-04-17T23:14:17 < emeb> Isn't the Microchip MPLAB X IDE based on netbeans? 2015-04-17T23:24:29 < ColdKeyboard> emeb: Yes it is 2015-04-17T23:26:34 < ColdKeyboard> qyx_: What IDE for ARM GCC would you recommend for windows? 2015-04-17T23:26:50 < _Sync_> emacs 2015-04-17T23:27:07 < ColdKeyboard> If possible that you can just select platform/chip and just start coding 2015-04-17T23:27:34 < _Sync_> lel 2015-04-17T23:28:37 < specing> ColdKeyboard: Linux 2015-04-17T23:30:02 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-17T23:31:23 < ColdKeyboard> Yeah, great advice. Thanks. 2015-04-17T23:32:35 < emeb> ColdKeyboard: I've found em::blocks to be a nice ARM / GCC IDE for windows 2015-04-17T23:32:58 < ColdKeyboard> That is the same one as the emIDE? 2015-04-17T23:33:08 < emeb> dunno 2015-04-17T23:33:18 < ColdKeyboard> Looks like CodeBlocks 2015-04-17T23:33:25 < emeb> yup 2015-04-17T23:33:31 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying it now, not sure if it will work 2015-04-17T23:33:45 < emeb> works for me 2015-04-17T23:33:51 < emeb> why wouldn't it work? 2015-04-17T23:35:03 < ColdKeyboard> I'm setting up ARM GCC to work with windows :) 2015-04-17T23:36:39 < emeb> Just install em::blocks - it installs gcc too. 2015-04-17T23:37:41 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T23:38:06 < ColdKeyboard> Ok, thanks! 2015-04-17T23:39:39 < englishman> ColdKeyboard: keil 2015-04-17T23:39:46 < englishman> not all arm but most 2015-04-17T23:39:58 < englishman> free trial for <32k 2015-04-17T23:40:04 < englishman> or as russian hackerz for keygen 2015-04-17T23:40:21 < ColdKeyboard> englishman: Keil is ok but without pro licence it's useless... They have bunch of libs that you can't use :\ 2015-04-17T23:40:37 < englishman> you can also not use those libs in em::blocks 2015-04-17T23:40:39 < englishman> :) 2015-04-17T23:41:59 < ColdKeyboard> That's true :) 2015-04-17T23:46:46 < Steffanx> qyx_: iirc karlp uses netbeans 2015-04-17T23:46:59 < Steffanx> or used to use it 2015-04-17T23:49:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T23:51:35 < qyx_> O_o 2015-04-17T23:52:16 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-36-207.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-17T23:52:52 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-17T23:59:22 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-17T23:59:22 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-17T23:59:22 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sat Apr 18 2015 2015-04-18T00:02:02 -!- Theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-18T00:03:08 < trepidaciousMBR2> ColdKeyboard: I use arm toolchain and eclipse CDT, it's not too difficult to set up (you just need the Makefile really) 2015-04-18T00:03:24 < trepidaciousMBR2> ColdKeyboard: Although it may not do a brilliant job of code completion etc. unless you fiddle with it 2015-04-18T00:03:47 -!- dario [~dario@31-178-249-8.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 2015-04-18T00:03:54 < ColdKeyboard> trepidaciousMBR2: Thanks. I'll google for some tutorials on how to setup eclipse. 2015-04-18T00:04:05 < ColdKeyboard> Right now I'm trying the medicine on Keil to see if it works :) 2015-04-18T00:04:26 < ColdKeyboard> They have MDK libraries but the MDK-PRO is the gold :) 2015-04-18T00:04:31 < trepidaciousMBR2> You may have more luck than me, but I really really hate teh commercial IDEs 2015-04-18T00:04:41 < trepidaciousMBR2> MDK? 2015-04-18T00:04:48 < ColdKeyboard> +1 2015-04-18T00:04:54 < ColdKeyboard> Their standard libraries 2015-04-18T00:05:00 < trepidaciousMBR2> ah ok 2015-04-18T00:05:22 < ColdKeyboard> MDK-PRO has the libraries for FS, SDCARD, TFT, TCP/IP and etc. :) 2015-04-18T00:05:40 < trepidaciousMBR2> I use ChibiOS, I think a lot of people use libopencm3 or something like that 2015-04-18T00:06:21 < trepidaciousMBR2> ColdKeyboard: ChibiOS has fatfs, sdio, lwip for tcp/ip, there's a graphics library as well, ugfx 2015-04-18T00:06:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> I've not tried drivign a screen myself 2015-04-18T00:06:48 < trepidaciousMBR2> I guess something like this https://github.com/mprymek/ChibiOS-uGFX 2015-04-18T00:08:34 < ColdKeyboard> I'll look into that. I just started with the ARM. Actually I didn't even start yet, I just got my first mcu and now I'm looking for ide, toolchain, documentation and so on 2015-04-18T00:09:10 < trepidaciousMBR2> ColdKeyboard: Which board do you have? 2015-04-18T00:09:36 < trepidaciousMBR2> ah sorry I just scrolled up 2015-04-18T00:09:45 < ColdKeyboard> I have some minimal STM32F103C8 dev board 2015-04-18T00:09:50 < trepidaciousMBR2> Cool 2015-04-18T00:10:38 < ColdKeyboard> I'm going to order Nucleus and some other boards as soon as I grasp on ARM families, compilers, programmers/debugers and etc 2015-04-18T00:10:48 < trepidaciousMBR2> I'd also recommend something like the 407 discovery board, they're very cheap and capable. The 429 disco board is probably even better value. Both of them are a bit more modern than the 103, although its very widely used 2015-04-18T00:10:55 < trepidaciousMBR2> Nucleo are good too 2015-04-18T00:11:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> TBH you might actually be better jumping straight to something like the 407, AFAIK the 103 is a bit different and I'm not sure it's recommended for new designs (not to put you off!) 2015-04-18T00:11:33 < ds2> why is it that important to "know" a given architecture given that a compiler is used? 2015-04-18T00:12:16 < trepidaciousMBR2> ds2: It helps to know something about it I guess, doesn't seem like you need to know all the details to do useful stuff 2015-04-18T00:13:13 < ds2> trepidaciousMBR2: wouldn't that be more of the specific chip instead of a core? 2015-04-18T00:13:34 < ds2> keep seeing posts along the lines of wanting to learn "ARM" 2015-04-18T00:14:01 < trepidaciousMBR2> ds2: It's probably people who are using AVR wanting to move to some ARM chip, and they group them all together? 2015-04-18T00:14:55 < trepidaciousMBR2> ds2: I agree that most of what I needed to learn is C, the peripherals and the larger scale stuff like memory layout etc. not the core, although I'm sure there are some areas where really knowing about the core helps 2015-04-18T00:15:06 < trepidaciousMBR2> ds2: e.g. when debugging I guess 2015-04-18T00:21:35 < zyp> emeb, good to know 2015-04-18T00:21:41 < emeb> yup 2015-04-18T00:23:18 < ds2> AVR vs ARM...they aren't that different unless you start screwing with assembly 2015-04-18T00:25:20 < zyp> there's plenty of difference from AVR8, considering it's an 8-bit MCU 2015-04-18T00:25:25 < zyp> from AVR32, not so much 2015-04-18T00:25:50 < ds2> zyp: from someone wanting to do Hello World? 2015-04-18T00:26:00 < ds2> a lot of the differences are hidden in the compiler 2015-04-18T00:26:25 < zyp> you don't need to do very advanced stuff before you run into the differences in type sizes 2015-04-18T00:27:26 < ds2> maybe we have come from different paths... that doesn't seem to be that big of a deal 2015-04-18T00:27:33 < zyp> it's way easier to overflow int inadvertedly when it's 16bit rather than 32bit 2015-04-18T00:28:12 < zyp> on 32bit archs, everybody uses 32 bit types without thinking about it, because it's the native size for the cpu and doesn't hurt speed 2015-04-18T00:28:14 < ds2> yes but part of that is proper coding 2015-04-18T00:28:23 < ds2> there are provisions you can use to handle that 2015-04-18T00:28:34 < zyp> on avr, you wouldn't pick a 32bit type unless the variable actually called for it 2015-04-18T00:28:45 < zyp> and I'd say that's a significant difference 2015-04-18T00:29:03 < ds2> if that is that critical - uint16_t, int16_t, etc :) 2015-04-18T00:29:07 < ds2> not a fan of them but... 2015-04-18T00:29:28 < zyp> I'm not saying it's critical, I'm saying you have to mind it to a much larger degree 2015-04-18T00:29:52 < zyp> on avr, sizeof(int) == 2 2015-04-18T00:29:54 < ds2> fair point... something like that should be trained out of folks in the first place 2015-04-18T00:30:07 < zyp> trained out how? 2015-04-18T00:30:14 < ds2> <-- still irked at people assiming sizeof(int *) == sizeof(int) 2015-04-18T00:30:32 < zyp> so what are you suggesting? 2015-04-18T00:30:39 < ds2> people should not make assumptions on the size of types. if it is that important, check sizeof() 2015-04-18T00:31:08 < zyp> well, to be fair, sizeof(int*) is also 2 on most avr chips, IIRC 2015-04-18T00:31:24 < zyp> only the larger ones have memory spaces large enough to call for larger pointers 2015-04-18T00:31:28 < ds2> yes and making that assumption is really really bad 2015-04-18T00:31:47 < ds2> leads to all sorts of crap happening (spent a lot of time fixing things to get 32bit code working on 64bit) 2015-04-18T00:31:52 < zyp> either way, this is tangential to my point 2015-04-18T00:32:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T00:32:59 < ds2> anyways...back to tracing down a double free on a LPC chip :( 2015-04-18T00:33:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T00:33:08 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T00:36:02 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvndzzzgggpvrdbp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-18T00:54:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-18T00:56:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-18T01:05:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T01:15:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T01:21:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T01:31:04 -!- DanteA [~X@host-224-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T02:05:31 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-18T02:07:10 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-18T02:13:25 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-18T02:21:53 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T02:45:43 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T02:48:45 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asbdprragusqthkg] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T02:49:30 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-18T02:52:33 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-18T03:09:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-18T03:11:33 -!- ColdKeyboard [~coldkeybo@cable-188-2-2-174.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [] 2015-04-18T03:16:21 < specing> ds2: that is what you get for programming in C :) 2015-04-18T03:17:58 < emeb> hacking on spi/dma/timers to get auto /CS 2015-04-18T03:18:27 < emeb> looks like it works but need to optimize timing for max sample rate 2015-04-18T03:18:43 < emeb> also seeing a weird rotation of the DMA buffer by one byte. 2015-04-18T03:20:30 < englishman> R2COM: i tested some tpsxxxx today 2015-04-18T03:20:37 < englishman> saw your 2.x volt problem 2015-04-18T03:20:45 < englishman> what was the current limit on your bench psu? 2015-04-18T03:21:00 < englishman> it needs some significant startup current 2015-04-18T03:21:02 < englishman> like 250mA 2015-04-18T03:21:08 < englishman> but just for a moment 2015-04-18T03:21:19 < englishman> if you were current limiting it would drop voltage and dick it up 2015-04-18T03:21:29 -!- DanteA [~X@host-224-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-18T03:30:35 < englishman> hm, i got instastart 2015-04-18T03:30:40 < englishman> after some threshold voltage 2015-04-18T03:33:24 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-04-18T03:46:09 < dongs> still failing wiht switcherfs i see 2015-04-18T04:22:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T04:43:46 < dongs> hmwtf 2015-04-18T04:43:53 < dongs> i cant set a breakpoint inside a irq handler 2015-04-18T04:47:00 < dongs> o, name was wrong 2015-04-18T04:47:14 < dongs> * For a painless codes migration between the STM32F3xx device product * 2015-04-18T04:47:15 < dongs> * lines, the aliases defined below are put in place to overcome the * 2015-04-18T04:47:15 < dongs> * differences in the interrupt handlers and IRQn definitions. * 2015-04-18T04:47:15 < dongs> * No need to update developed interrupt code when moving across * 2015-04-18T04:47:15 < dongs> * product lines within the same STM32F3 Family * 2015-04-18T04:47:17 < dongs> 2015-04-18T04:47:20 < dongs> thanks ST 2015-04-18T04:47:22 < dongs> this didnt actually work 2015-04-18T04:57:00 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-18T05:01:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T05:04:05 < dongs> askapro.com 2015-04-18T05:04:47 < ds2> $#@$!@#@!#@!$#$#@$@# RTX 2015-04-18T05:05:04 < ds2> I hate keil so very very much 2015-04-18T05:07:48 < dongs> wat 2015-04-18T05:07:52 < dongs> you usuck 2015-04-18T05:07:55 < dongs> whats it not doign 2015-04-18T05:09:25 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-18T05:09:48 -!- inca [~inca@63.142.161.3] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T05:12:09 < dongs> fuck 2015-04-18T05:12:23 < dongs> if I dont have PWM'able rgb led, what are all the colors i can make with it 2015-04-18T05:12:27 < dongs> trying to figure out waht to g oogle 2015-04-18T05:13:53 < zyp> dongs, duh, with three bits, there's 8 combinations 2015-04-18T05:13:57 < dongs> zyp: i know 2015-04-18T05:14:00 < zyp> off being one of them 2015-04-18T05:14:02 < dongs> i want names for htem 2015-04-18T05:14:09 < dongs> yes, i am that lazy 2015-04-18T05:14:15 < dongs> like I think red + green = yellow right 2015-04-18T05:14:16 < dongs> etc. 2015-04-18T05:14:23 < zyp> black, red, yellow, green, cyan, blue, magenta, white 2015-04-18T05:14:53 < dongs> hokay 2015-04-18T05:15:48 < dongs> you received your shit yet? 2015-04-18T05:15:50 < dongs> or still payrtying 2015-04-18T05:16:05 < zyp> in numeric order assuming r=1, g=2 and b=4 they would be black, red, green, yellow, blue, magenta, cyan, white 2015-04-18T05:16:20 < zyp> arrived a couple of days ago, but I'm away until sunday 2015-04-18T05:16:51 < zyp> so I'll pick them up on monday 2015-04-18T05:19:26 < inca> uVision5 looks pretty neat... I like the Pack Installer 2015-04-18T05:19:43 < dongs> thats like the worst part of it. 2015-04-18T05:19:45 < dongs> the new pack shit is idiotic 2015-04-18T05:20:20 < inca> I really need a ULINK 2015-04-18T05:20:57 < dongs> ulink is OK if you only use keil 2015-04-18T05:21:06 < ds2> the RTX library doesn't handle mbx cleanly 2015-04-18T05:21:06 < dongs> and if you dont need production programming later 2015-04-18T05:21:15 < ds2> so as a result, double frees :( 2015-04-18T05:21:18 < dongs> jlink is better for being compatible wiht more shit 2015-04-18T05:21:34 < zyp> dongs, you could just change later? 2015-04-18T05:21:57 < zyp> using one debugger adapter doesn't tie you to it in any way, does it? 2015-04-18T05:22:08 < inca> keil is the only one that "just works" last I looked at the scene 2015-04-18T05:22:11 < dongs> na, not at all 2015-04-18T05:22:15 < ds2> just use CMSIS-DAP 2015-04-18T05:22:20 < dongs> yeah or that 2015-04-18T05:22:21 < inca> our deliverable requires Atollic which is a heaping pile 2015-04-18T05:22:35 < dongs> i used to use ulink then it shitted itself in weird times so i went back to my jlink-edu and its been working great 2015-04-18T05:22:42 < ds2> sick and tired of encumbered tools with all the licensing crap 2015-04-18T05:23:04 < inca> ds2: doesn't matter if someone else foots the bill 2015-04-18T05:23:13 < inca> in that case it's all about time 2015-04-18T05:24:36 < zyp> how well does CMSIS-DAP work in practice? 2015-04-18T05:24:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asbdprragusqthkg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-18T05:25:04 < dongs> unsure :p 2015-04-18T05:25:08 < dongs> i tihnk you can load c msisdap firmware on ulink 2015-04-18T05:25:12 < dongs> i never tried 2015-04-18T05:25:21 < dongs> stanadards are good right 2015-04-18T05:25:26 < zyp> I read the spec once, it kinda seems like the thing vendors will shit up and make pointless, like DFU 2015-04-18T05:26:15 < ds2> inca: it does if I have to lug it back and forth 2015-04-18T05:26:40 < ds2> zyp: for the atmel samd20, it, IMO, worked better then stlink 2015-04-18T05:26:50 < zyp> that's not a great feat 2015-04-18T05:26:54 < ds2> :D 2015-04-18T05:27:10 < ds2> I don't ask for much in my debuggers 2015-04-18T05:27:33 < ds2> did the jlink folks changed their licensing terms in the last few years? 2015-04-18T05:27:39 < dongs> no 2015-04-18T05:27:52 < dongs> but theres some cheaper stuff 2015-04-18T05:27:56 < ds2> dev boards used to have an on board jlink with jumpers so you can hook it to your own board 2015-04-18T05:28:00 < dongs> and you can technically use jlink-ob without feeling too bad 2015-04-18T05:28:00 < dongs> yes 2015-04-18T05:28:16 < ds2> now they got rid of the jumpers and have a nasty note about the debuggering being for that board only 2015-04-18T05:28:28 < zyp> I weren't very impressed with jlink-ob on the nrf51 board 2015-04-18T05:28:29 < ds2> so it is not jlink but the chip makers? 2015-04-18T05:28:49 < inca> segger just seems so cold 2015-04-18T05:28:56 < dongs> i duno, jlink base/plus is priced reasonably 2015-04-18T05:28:56 < zyp> but then again I didn't use it with keil, I used the gdbserver so I could work in the way I were used to 2015-04-18T05:28:57 < ds2> zyp: how so? I have used a real jlink and the on board one for the nRF51 and it seems the same 2015-04-18T05:29:08 < dongs> it is same 2015-04-18T05:29:17 < dongs> maybe zyp just tried to use it with GDB 2015-04-18T05:29:19 < dongs> or some other garbage 2015-04-18T05:29:25 < ds2> I use it with gdb too 2015-04-18T05:29:47 < zyp> I forgot the specifics, it's a year and a half since I touched it 2015-04-18T05:31:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-18T05:32:22 < ds2> to be fair the nRF51 has an odd ball way of doing SWD 2015-04-18T05:32:31 < dongs> does it? 2015-04-18T05:32:37 < dongs> i duno i used it for debugging the dildo shit 2015-04-18T05:32:39 < dongs> and it seemed to work 2015-04-18T05:32:43 < zyp> yeah, reset on one of the swd lines IIRC 2015-04-18T05:32:44 < dongs> i was using jlink 2015-04-18T05:32:45 < ds2> yes, the SWDIO line is also the reset line 2015-04-18T05:32:51 < dongs> hm. 2015-04-18T05:32:54 < dongs> i didnt need to do anything special 2015-04-18T05:32:57 < ds2> even jlink needs a reasonably new firmware 2015-04-18T05:33:00 < dongs> maybe it autodetected 2015-04-18T05:33:01 < dongs> ah 2015-04-18T05:33:09 < dongs> yeah i usually just update it whenver i update to new keil binary 2015-04-18T05:33:15 < dongs> which brings in new jlink trash sometimes 2015-04-18T05:33:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T05:34:43 < ds2> this sucks... I need to clear out monday to debug a doublefree that is most likely due to a problem with RTX :( 2015-04-18T05:37:05 < inca> every done a spansion S29GL nor flash? 2015-04-18T05:37:22 < inca> s/every/ever/ 2015-04-18T05:38:30 < dongs> nor flash? 2015-04-18T05:38:34 < dongs> what is there to "do" about it 2015-04-18T05:38:36 < dongs> its just parallel right? 2015-04-18T05:38:46 < dongs> hookup to FSMC, declare victory 2015-04-18T05:38:54 < dongs> or even hookuip to gpio 2015-04-18T05:39:00 < dongs> as long as you got a lot of it 2015-04-18T05:40:01 < inca> I'm doing a bringup with OpenOCD -> stlink-v2, copied an init sequence that supposedly worked before (IAR -> J-Link) but it is not coming up 2015-04-18T05:40:19 < inca> stm32f429 2015-04-18T05:40:47 < dongs> does jlink-commander or jlink gdb see the device? 2015-04-18T05:41:00 < dongs> also by default it needs target_vcc connected 2015-04-18T05:41:06 < inca> I don't have a jlink. do those work with stlink-v2? 2015-04-18T05:41:13 < dongs> 429? should 2015-04-18T05:41:21 < inca> the jlink-commander 2015-04-18T05:41:26 < dongs> i mean, 429-disco has stlinkv2 2015-04-18T05:41:42 < dongs> -commander/-gdbserver are jlink tools 2015-04-18T05:41:45 < inca> ah, right... this is custom board. external stlink-v2 2015-04-18T05:41:49 < inca> word 2015-04-18T05:43:12 < inca> this one appears to be FMC rather than FSMC. 2015-04-18T05:43:18 < zyp> same thing 2015-04-18T05:43:41 < zyp> the S means static, they removed that in f42x since it now also supports dynamic memories 2015-04-18T05:44:09 < inca> anyway, what's the fastest way to test read/write the flash on a foreign stm32f429 board? 2015-04-18T05:44:31 < zyp> foreign? 2015-04-18T05:44:44 < inca> zyp: that's weird that the RM has both terminologies FSMC and FMC 2015-04-18T05:44:49 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-18T05:44:58 < zyp> the RM covers both f40x and f42x 2015-04-18T05:45:02 < zyp> check the start of either chapter 2015-04-18T05:45:05 < inca> foreign as in, it runs blinky but that's about all I have seen it do so far 2015-04-18T05:45:26 < inca> fair enough 2015-04-18T05:45:50 < zyp> well, any board like the f429-disco that's already got an SDRAM chip hardwired to the FMC is unlikely to have the FMC pins broken out as well 2015-04-18T05:45:55 < inca> I'll take your word on it. 1700 pages, what's one caveat? 2015-04-18T05:45:59 < zyp> so the FMC is probably not available for you 2015-04-18T05:47:13 < inca> both the SDRAM and nor flash are connected to the FMC 2015-04-18T05:47:33 < zyp> oh, right 2015-04-18T05:47:44 < zyp> I thought you were talking about hooking up a chip manually 2015-04-18T05:47:51 < inca> ah, gotcha 2015-04-18T05:48:18 < zyp> if it's already hooked up, you just need to configure the pins for FMC use, then program the FMC 2015-04-18T05:48:41 < inca> I have a dev board that needs brought up... I wrote a quick openocd script to init the registers and such, but it won't recognize the flash bank. what other tools are they to do this sort of thing quickly? 2015-04-18T05:48:57 < dongs> what "flash bank"? 2015-04-18T05:49:05 < dongs> are you trying to access the nor flash through ocd or something? 2015-04-18T05:49:14 < inca> yes 2015-04-18T05:49:23 < zyp> uh, the flash is external, you can't access it without configuring the FMC 2015-04-18T05:49:34 < inca> http://openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Commands.html 2015-04-18T05:49:55 < zyp> openocd got some support for it, but you should probably know what you're doing before trying to use them :p 2015-04-18T05:50:05 < dongs> inca: so uhl, you will need to configure fmc accordingly.. by writing wahtever stuff to registers 2015-04-18T05:50:21 < dongs> then figure out how to make ocd access it through stm32 2015-04-18T05:50:39 < zyp> inca, why do you want to write the flash through openocd anyway? 2015-04-18T05:51:13 < inca> https://github.com/arduino/OpenOCD/blob/master/tcl/board/stm3210e_eval.cfg 2015-04-18T05:52:30 < inca> zyp: because it's the fastest way to test it. literally three commands and I can see whether or not I can write/probe the flash 2015-04-18T05:52:48 < zyp> haha, no 2015-04-18T05:52:52 < inca> openocd uses CFI, which I presume I'd use anyway 2015-04-18T05:53:03 < zyp> what's CFI? 2015-04-18T05:53:10 < inca> common flash interface 2015-04-18T05:53:13 < dongs> common flash something or other 2015-04-18T05:53:32 < zyp> common for what? 2015-04-18T05:53:42 < dongs> jedec standard shite 2015-04-18T05:53:54 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Flash_Memory_Interface 2015-04-18T05:54:19 < inca> so you don't need custome firmware driver for the flash, basically. but it still needs configured 2015-04-18T05:54:43 < zyp> oh, just metadata stored on the chip itself? 2015-04-18T05:55:20 < inca> yes, like ACPI tables (I think) 2015-04-18T05:56:29 < zyp> heh 2015-04-18T05:57:04 < zyp> so why not start by writing the software to configure the FMC so you can read out the CFI data? 2015-04-18T05:57:28 < zyp> getting sane data out of that would be the easiest way to prove you got reading right 2015-04-18T05:57:36 < zyp> then you can worry about writing later 2015-04-18T05:58:44 < inca> true... I'm being lazy and asking for advice on which is the laziest path... such as ST having a magical external flash loader app demo that does automagic and just works 2015-04-18T05:59:05 < inca> or ARM, or something I am missing 2015-04-18T05:59:06 < dongs> lol 2015-04-18T05:59:08 < dongs> you wish 2015-04-18T05:59:16 < inca> I can dream, can't I? =) 2015-04-18T05:59:22 < zyp> how would that help you? 2015-04-18T05:59:53 < zyp> presumably the hardware works, since it was probably designed by somebody who knew how to hook up nor flash to stm32 2015-04-18T05:59:57 < inca> copy, paste, tweak, run, celebrate 2015-04-18T06:01:15 < inca> FYI, I am coming from a state of ignorance in terms of the complexity of setting up FMC and all that. it looks like about 12 registers or so, roughly speaking. 2015-04-18T06:01:30 < inca> so it's nice to start from things that work 2015-04-18T06:01:57 < zyp> IIRC there's 4 or so per bank 2015-04-18T06:02:20 < zyp> and all except one are device timings, which are of lesser importance 2015-04-18T06:02:33 < zyp> the main concern is bus widths and memory type 2015-04-18T06:02:38 < zyp> which is all in one register 2015-04-18T06:02:48 < zyp> along with the enable bank bit 2015-04-18T06:03:25 < inca> 2 bytes 2015-04-18T06:03:36 < inca> memory type, as in nor/nand? 2015-04-18T06:03:45 < inca> ok 2015-04-18T06:03:49 < inca> I see it 2015-04-18T06:04:12 < inca> FSMC_BCRx 2015-04-18T06:07:58 < inca> it seems to be correct to me. 0xA0000000 0x00001059 => bank 1, enable flash, enable bank, NOR flash MTYP, 16 bit MWID, 2015-04-18T06:08:32 < zyp> assuming it's hooked up to bank 1 2015-04-18T06:09:15 < inca> how do I tell? the select line? 2015-04-18T06:09:29 < zyp> yep 2015-04-18T06:09:37 < zyp> FMC_NE1 would be bank 1 2015-04-18T06:10:32 < inca> FMC_NE1 is on the NOR flash 2015-04-18T06:10:47 < inca> oddly, there are no other FMC_NEx for the SDRAM 2015-04-18T06:11:07 < inca> it's FMC_SDNE0 2015-04-18T06:11:33 < zyp> yeah, it's independent 2015-04-18T06:11:37 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@189.69.193.41] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T06:12:15 < zyp> you might want to change the init code so that the sdram stays disabled 2015-04-18T06:12:42 < zyp> it might confuse the flash comms if it's floating and gets selected 2015-04-18T06:13:03 < zyp> why didn't you get example code along with the board? 2015-04-18T06:13:12 < zyp> complain to your board vendor 2015-04-18T06:13:26 < inca> makes sense... PC2 high, lookin 2015-04-18T06:13:51 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@189-69-193-41.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-18T06:14:01 < inca> it was a contractor on another continent who doesn't respond to email, phone calls, or whatever 2015-04-18T06:14:13 < inca> finally got a code dump and nothing works 2015-04-18T06:15:27 < inca> nevertheless, duly noted. will complain 2015-04-18T06:16:42 < inca> I'll try his init code next with a blinky. then maybe openocd can tickle the NOR flash 2015-04-18T06:18:57 -!- DanteA [~X@host-160-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T06:19:03 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@189.69.193.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T06:19:29 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@189-69-193-41.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T06:21:18 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@189-69-193-41.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T06:24:13 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@189-69-193-41.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-18T06:26:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T06:27:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T06:40:39 < dongs> proooo 2015-04-18T06:42:47 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T06:44:24 < dongs> http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-vs-apple-iphone-argument-ends-in-stabbing-601926/ 2015-04-18T06:56:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-18T06:56:06 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T07:00:37 < upgrdman> finally got a fun task as an EE intern... i get to write some firmware! "here's the ide, docs, and a starting point for the firmware" ... they're using pic24 :( 2015-04-18T07:04:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T07:07:20 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-18T07:16:03 < ds2> sounds more like a class project 2015-04-18T07:20:31 < upgrdman> no, better. im being paid to do it. 2015-04-18T07:21:23 < PeterM> whats wrong wiht liek a f303 or some shit 2015-04-18T07:21:28 < upgrdman> and my direct boss is more knowledgable than any prof i've had at the university 2015-04-18T07:22:02 < upgrdman> PeterM, senior engineer knows pics. and some fucking intern isn't going to steer the ship elsewhere. 2015-04-18T07:22:38 < upgrdman> for the current task, an f030 would be more than powerful enough 2015-04-18T07:33:06 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T07:34:11 < ReadError> R2COM http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-court-bans-internet-porn-under-century-old-international-convention-1879392 2015-04-18T07:35:46 < emeb> heh - f030 generating 500kSPS 16-bit sinewave data to a TI SPI DAC now. 2015-04-18T07:37:31 < upgrdman> 16bit sine? LUT? 2015-04-18T07:41:18 < emeb> interpolated 1ksample LUT 2015-04-18T07:41:36 < emeb> (linearly interpolates between entries) 2015-04-18T07:42:06 < emeb> only uses about 55% of CPU. not bad. 2015-04-18T07:54:53 < ds2> emeb: what's the spectrum look like? 2015-04-18T07:55:21 < PeterM> a straight line drawn by michael j fox. 2015-04-18T07:55:44 < upgrdman> ~ 2015-04-18T07:58:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-18T07:59:02 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.29.38] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T10:02:11 < dongs> < upgrdman> they're using pic24 :( 2015-04-18T10:02:13 < dongs> fucking owned 2015-04-18T10:02:26 < upgrdman> :( 2015-04-18T10:03:14 < emeb_mac> pic24 isn't all bad 2015-04-18T10:03:29 < emeb_mac> I've done a few things with them and they work fine for certain things 2015-04-18T10:04:07 < upgrdman> is the CCS C Compiler as shitacular as it looks? 2015-04-18T10:05:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-18T10:26:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T10:27:02 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T10:27:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T10:27:25 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2015-04-18T10:30:29 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T10:44:20 < dongs> it is terrible 2015-04-18T10:49:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T10:49:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T10:58:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.198] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T11:00:46 < Roklobsta> indeed 2015-04-18T11:01:14 < Roklobsta> sorry are we talking about zano? 2015-04-18T11:02:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.198] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-18T11:02:09 < dongs> yep 2015-04-18T11:02:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.198] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T11:13:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T11:19:25 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T11:23:03 < Roklobsta> been to www.flyzano.com ? 2015-04-18T11:24:01 < Roklobsta> i guess you might have 2015-04-18T11:24:31 < dongs> yteah its amazing 2015-04-18T11:24:38 < dongs> click here to watch zano in action 2015-04-18T11:26:19 < dongs> https://github.com/torquing 2015-04-18T11:26:20 < dongs> lol. 2015-04-18T11:26:36 < Roklobsta> that's just abuse of git 2015-04-18T11:26:42 < dongs> totally. 2015-04-18T11:27:06 < Roklobsta> some australian marketing type must have just installed tortoisegit 2015-04-18T11:28:20 < dongs> 19 hours ago 2015-04-18T11:28:21 < dongs> to be exact 2015-04-18T11:29:09 < dongs> Hi I hope June will arrive soon. I really want to try Zano really soon!! 2015-04-18T11:29:09 < dongs> In the meantime I'm glad to see next week same new video of Zano I think it's the time to see more and I understand also the team working hard to ship everything on schedule . Next week a good video for us please !!! Thanks I appreciate take care at all of Zano team 2015-04-18T11:32:52 < Roklobsta> Denile is also a river in Egypt. 2015-04-18T11:33:05 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/4-Wheels-GlassWooden-Sliding-Door-Roller-Pulley-Door-Hanging-Wheel-p-938613.html 2015-04-18T11:33:09 < Roklobsta> Denial. Well, that fell a bit flat. 2015-04-18T11:33:44 < Roklobsta> that shit will rust and seize up as soon as it gets wet 2015-04-18T11:34:19 < dongs> isnt it for indoors 2015-04-18T11:35:03 < Roklobsta> ok as soon as the dog whizzes on it or the kids spills coke on it 2015-04-18T11:41:37 < ReadError> is there any other way to remove lockbit protection on AVR other than decapping and witchcraft? 2015-04-18T11:41:51 < dongs> you god damn fucking cloner 2015-04-18T11:42:17 < ReadError> ;( 2015-04-18T11:42:21 < ReadError> im asking for science 2015-04-18T11:42:24 < dongs> no youre not 2015-04-18T11:42:29 < dongs> you just wanna clone shitty eurotrash esc 2015-04-18T11:42:33 < dongs> pathetic 2015-04-18T11:42:55 < ReadError> why when i could just put atmega8 on 2015-04-18T11:44:20 < Steffanx> erase it ReadError? 2015-04-18T11:44:43 < ReadError> come on now, you know what i mean 2015-04-18T11:45:08 < Steffanx> of course, but .. :P 2015-04-18T11:49:49 < Roklobsta> ReadError: I fucken' inadvertantly locked the bits on an AVR and threw the thing out. The convoluted solution involving an AVR Dragon and 12V wasn't worth the effort. 2015-04-18T11:54:47 < ReadError> i didnt find much about that 2015-04-18T11:54:53 < Steffanx> You're talking about the lock bits? Not some clock settings bits or whatever fuse bits you can set? 2015-04-18T11:55:05 < ReadError> only thing that really came up is russian paid service 2015-04-18T11:55:17 < ReadError> Steffanx yes, read protection etc 2015-04-18T11:55:43 < Steffanx> yeah, i cannot remember you can clear those with high voltage programming method. 2015-04-18T11:55:59 < Steffanx> would be weird if you could 2015-04-18T11:59:19 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-18T12:04:56 < ReadError> oh dongs 2015-04-18T12:04:57 < ReadError> http://3dprint.com/50561/bbb-ez3d-kickstarter/ 2015-04-18T12:06:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T12:07:03 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T12:08:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-18T12:10:39 < PeterM> ReadError, if you intend to make real money from it http://russiansemiresearch.com/en/service/ maybe worth it (probably not though) 2015-04-18T12:11:01 < ReadError> PeterM lol nah just for fun 2015-04-18T12:12:07 < Steffanx> $1300 .. doesnt fit in your just for fun budget? 2015-04-18T12:13:12 < ReadError> no ;/ 2015-04-18T12:13:18 < ReadError> not for something this boring 2015-04-18T12:14:02 < dongs> PeterM: lol do they take paypal 2015-04-18T12:14:35 < Steffanx> for $2500 they even convert it back to tarduino code. 2015-04-18T12:14:40 < dongs> really? 2015-04-18T12:14:44 < Steffanx> no lol :P 2015-04-18T12:15:11 < PeterM> dngs it seems so 2015-04-18T12:15:12 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T12:15:18 < dongs> bookmarked 2015-04-18T12:15:35 < dongs> oh what hte fuck 2015-04-18T12:15:40 < dongs> the new bookmark maanager in chrome 2015-04-18T12:15:43 < dongs> is even gayer than before 2015-04-18T12:15:48 < ReadError> says they do 2015-04-18T12:16:41 < dongs> where 2015-04-18T12:16:45 < dongs> their site is os fucking broken 2015-04-18T12:16:57 < dongs> o yea 2015-04-18T12:16:58 < dongs> on about us 2015-04-18T12:17:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T12:17:00 < PeterM> hey talsit, can you decap micros and read out their loacked/prtected eeproms? 2015-04-18T12:17:12 < dongs> i doubt it 2015-04-18T12:17:15 < dongs> hes pretty non-pro 2015-04-18T12:17:22 < dongs> he stopped cahtting here cuz i trolled him too much :( 2015-04-18T12:17:35 < Steffanx> wut? You even did real business with him 2015-04-18T12:17:43 < dongs> tru 2015-04-18T12:17:49 < dongs> you mean paypal business 2015-04-18T12:17:57 < dongs> When ordering MCU read, translated into assembler is free.* 2015-04-18T12:17:57 < Steffanx> isn't that real 2015-04-18T12:18:16 < Steffanx> just with some warezed copy of ida i guess? 2015-04-18T12:18:43 < dongs> or objdump? lol 2015-04-18T12:18:45 < PeterM> Steffanx, for the amount they charge they could probably buy idapro aftera few chips 2015-04-18T12:19:05 < dongs> after a few? 2015-04-18T12:19:13 < dongs> im renewing but I dont think its even that much 2015-04-18T12:19:28 < Steffanx> of course they could, but .. they're russian not? 2015-04-18T12:19:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-18T12:19:47 < dongs> my anual renewal is around 1600$ 2015-04-18T12:19:55 < dongs> but I dont pay for LUNIX VERSION 2015-04-18T12:20:04 < dongs> they started charging extra for that shit a few years ago 2015-04-18T12:20:39 < dongs> VAT exempt according to the article 21 §3 °7 of the VAT code 2015-04-18T12:20:44 < dongs> somehow they're avoiding paying eurotax 2015-04-18T12:21:15 < Steffanx> sure about the linux vs windows price? Here it seems to be the same. 2015-04-18T12:21:27 < dongs> it is same but if you buy both then youre paying 2x 2015-04-18T12:21:39 < Steffanx> oh 2015-04-18T12:21:50 < PeterM> it depends on what dissassembler options you get too iirc 2015-04-18T12:21:54 < dongs> yea 2015-04-18T12:22:10 < dongs> but point is few years back you'd get lunix+mac+windows under one license 2015-04-18T12:22:16 < dongs> then they separated, and separarely priced teh shit 2015-04-18T12:22:37 < Steffanx> not important anyway, who uses lunix.. 2015-04-18T12:22:41 < Steffanx> ? 2015-04-18T12:22:47 < dongs> exactly 2015-04-18T12:22:57 < dongs> or mac 2015-04-18T12:25:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-18T12:26:20 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T12:26:40 < ReadError> OSX is nice 2015-04-18T12:26:47 < ReadError> its like lunix but with real apps 2015-04-18T12:27:04 < PeterM> so its not like luix at all 2015-04-18T12:33:35 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T12:34:24 < Steffanx> heh, our fav russian has to defend his fellow russians 2015-04-18T12:35:02 < ReadError> condoleezza rice saw he was talkin shit and turned off his internet 2015-04-18T12:36:18 < PeterM> he decided to Return2Communism 2015-04-18T12:40:04 < Steffanx> lol 2015-04-18T12:43:10 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T12:50:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-18T13:04:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:12:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.70] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:13:02 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:13:45 < baird> Dammit. I think up a neat way to do efficient text display on the Sharp bitmap LCD, and when I go to code, I find that thing has been zapped. 2015-04-18T13:16:27 < baird> The big LCD for the F4 Disco is fucked too. :/ 2015-04-18T13:19:59 < Steffanx> zapped how? 2015-04-18T13:20:06 < Steffanx> lightning? 2015-04-18T13:22:10 < qyx_> 12V wires hanging around? 2015-04-18T13:23:07 < Steffanx> at least Laurenceb__ doesnt do that 2015-04-18T13:24:33 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:24:54 < dongs> writing dvd-r dl 2015-04-18T13:25:00 < dongs> 25mins remaining lol 2015-04-18T13:25:02 < dongs> what the fuck is this 2015-04-18T13:25:04 < dongs> 2015 2015-04-18T13:25:27 < specing> dongs: what are you doing with DVDs in 2015? 2015-04-18T13:25:42 < specing> next you'll be whining how floppy drives are slow 2015-04-18T13:26:09 < dongs> ya man 2015-04-18T13:26:11 < dongs> i recorded this shit in 4K 2015-04-18T13:26:14 < dongs> and t hese people are liek 2015-04-18T13:26:17 < dongs> "can y ou put this on dvd plz" 2015-04-18T13:26:19 < dongs> what 2015-04-18T13:26:27 < Steffanx> "no".. 2015-04-18T13:26:32 < specing> "no" 2015-04-18T13:26:55 < ReadError> dont touch the mouse while its burning or else it might fuck up 2015-04-18T13:27:48 < dongs> not using lunix 2015-04-18T13:27:50 < dongs> so not a big deal 2015-04-18T13:28:19 < ReadError> do mice even work on lunix? 2015-04-18T13:28:26 < specing> no 2015-04-18T13:28:29 < specing> only cats 2015-04-18T13:28:30 < dongs> not if you plug htem in after boot 2015-04-18T13:28:40 < dongs> or unplug while its running 2015-04-18T13:28:47 < dongs> then you gotta restart X 2015-04-18T13:28:47 < Laurenceb_> trolls trollin trolls 2015-04-18T13:28:50 < dongs> and edit some shitty file 2015-04-18T13:28:53 < baird> Steffanx: probably picking it up while wearing lycra undies. 2015-04-18T13:28:54 < dongs> to specify new mouse type 2015-04-18T13:30:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/17/makerbot_staff_redundancies/ 2015-04-18T13:30:06 < Laurenceb_> lulz 2015-04-18T13:30:18 < dongs> > makerbot 2015-04-18T13:30:20 < dongs> > redundancies 2015-04-18T13:32:59 < dongs> wat happens when you put diode on a switcher backwards 2015-04-18T13:33:18 < dongs> do you get Vin into Vout? 2015-04-18T13:34:08 < PeterM> no 2015-04-18T13:34:21 < dongs> fucking dickhead here assembled something with it backwards 2015-04-18T13:34:30 < PeterM> if its a buck you get a short circuit and if its a boost you get terrible ringing 2015-04-18T13:34:34 < dongs> shit was drawing 200+mA and CC'ing power supply 2015-04-18T13:34:42 < dongs> so instead of carefully looking around 2015-04-18T13:34:45 < dongs> he started tearing off parts 2015-04-18T13:34:46 < dongs> (like BGA) 2015-04-18T13:35:01 < PeterM> g fucking g 2015-04-18T13:35:11 < dongs> ok so sounds like shorting then 2015-04-18T13:35:13 < dongs> cuz it was a buck 2015-04-18T13:35:37 < dongs> so diode would been dissipating the short right? 2015-04-18T13:35:43 < dongs> fucking idiot shoulda just pointed a thermalcam on it 2015-04-18T13:35:45 < PeterM> diode or fet 2015-04-18T13:35:55 < dongs> internal fet, so the switcherpackage 2015-04-18T13:35:55 < PeterM> or traces 2015-04-18T13:35:58 < dongs> rite 2015-04-18T13:35:58 < PeterM> antyhing really 2015-04-18T13:36:10 < PeterM> but all aaround that area 2015-04-18T13:36:15 < Laurenceb_> anyone here know how CO2 cartridges are weighed? 2015-04-18T13:36:25 < Laurenceb_> grams == grams of CO2 ? 2015-04-18T13:36:39 < dongs> o well 2015-04-18T13:36:44 < dongs> hes now baking a second one 2015-04-18T13:36:59 < PeterM> [20:34] fucking dickhead here assembled something with it backwards 2015-04-18T13:37:00 < Laurenceb_> nvm its the CO2 2015-04-18T13:37:04 < PeterM> is that your spawn 2015-04-18T13:37:07 < dongs> nah 2015-04-18T13:37:07 < PeterM> lool 2015-04-18T13:37:08 < dongs> lolol 2015-04-18T13:37:27 < dongs> not there yet 2015-04-18T13:41:36 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T13:41:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:43:24 < dongs> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.hit_point.nekoatsume 2015-04-18T13:43:32 < dongs> doenst work on any mof my phones 2015-04-18T13:44:02 < PeterM> me either 2015-04-18T13:44:31 < GargantuaSauce_> http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4844334158 2015-04-18T13:44:37 < dongs> im guessing it only works on kawaii jappu phonez 2015-04-18T13:44:49 < dongs> GargantuaSauce_: haha 2015-04-18T13:45:26 < PeterM> lolwut 2015-04-18T13:46:37 < dongs> lol, the 3 authors are some bloggers 2015-04-18T13:46:43 < dongs> their "homepages" are liek twitter and hatena 2015-04-18T13:46:51 < dongs> and some freeweb trash 2015-04-18T13:47:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.70] has quit [] 2015-04-18T13:47:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.70] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:49:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:49:58 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:49:58 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T13:49:58 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T13:50:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T13:51:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-18T13:53:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-18T14:01:41 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-18T14:12:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.198] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T14:18:09 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T14:21:00 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-18T14:23:17 < ReadError> whats the rule of thumb regarding caps and max voltage, if any 2015-04-18T14:23:35 < ReadError> like if you are 1v over, generally okay? 2015-04-18T14:27:52 < Steffanx> afaik over is never ok. 2015-04-18T14:28:27 < PeterM> ReadError depends on the type of cap 2015-04-18T14:28:36 < PeterM> and your current 2015-04-18T14:30:07 < ReadError> hmm 2015-04-18T14:30:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T14:30:22 < ReadError> the jump from 25 to 35 gets pretty steep 2015-04-18T14:31:01 < ReadError> max voltage is only 0.2V over so im torn 2015-04-18T14:31:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T14:31:21 < PeterM> dis for ESClone? 2015-04-18T14:31:43 < ReadError> nahh 2015-04-18T14:32:05 < ReadError> little LC filter + 5/12 buck 2015-04-18T14:32:25 < ReadError> "GoBuckYourself" or "BuckYeah", still working on name 2015-04-18T14:32:30 < baird> D'oh. Found the reason why the Sharp LCD wasn't working. A Vcc jumper had came off. 2015-04-18T14:32:42 < PeterM> 25.2v into 5/12v buck? 2015-04-18T14:32:54 < ReadError> PeterM worst case 2015-04-18T14:33:10 < ReadError> the AO bucks are rated to 26V 2015-04-18T14:33:26 < ReadError> 4.2*6=25.2 2015-04-18T14:33:38 < PeterM> buck input current waveform is ugly. id defsgo 35v 2015-04-18T14:35:30 < ReadError> I have the LC before the buck 2015-04-18T14:35:38 < ReadError> shouldnt that help? 2015-04-18T14:36:14 < PeterM> yeah but the filter itself needs to be able to handle it... 2015-04-18T14:36:36 < ReadError> yea im allocated pretty well there current/voltage wise 2015-04-18T14:38:46 < ReadError> I guess I can just hook it up to PSU and hit it with 26V and let it run for a bit 2015-04-18T14:38:51 < dongs> lol... 2015-04-18T14:38:54 < dongs> cloneerror 2015-04-18T14:38:56 < dongs> cloning it hard 2015-04-18T14:38:58 < dongs> fuck EE pro advice 2015-04-18T14:39:13 < ReadError> learn through mistakes 2015-04-18T14:39:27 < ReadError> atleast im trying ;) 2015-04-18T14:40:50 < Steffanx> and then you but a new batch of caps and get screwed because they explode in your face 2015-04-18T14:41:04 < dongs> he orders alibaba special caps 2015-04-18T14:41:06 < dongs> perfect for cloning 2015-04-18T14:41:10 < ReadError> no, mouser 2015-04-18T14:41:12 < dongs> new in bag, what could go wrong 2015-04-18T14:41:16 < zyp> perfect for blowing up 2015-04-18T14:41:39 < dongs> hm 2015-04-18T14:41:43 < dongs> idiots switcher is still failing 2015-04-18T14:41:46 < dongs> outputting Vin on Vout 2015-04-18T14:41:51 < ReadError> electrolytic is rated to 35 so not worried about that 2015-04-18T14:42:00 < ReadError> just these decoupling ceramics 2015-04-18T14:42:20 < dongs> ReadError: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55556__Quanum_Power_Distribution_Board_and_Dual_UBEC_In_One.html 2015-04-18T14:42:23 < dongs> done 2015-04-18T14:42:40 < ReadError> Size: 52x52x1.6mm 2015-04-18T14:42:41 < ReadError> useless 2015-04-18T14:44:51 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jsatjslkilowxijh] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T14:45:08 < ReadError> 2 layer board of 0.93x0.61 inches (23.65x15.39 mm). 2015-04-18T14:45:23 < ReadError> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/94ZKGHi3 2015-04-18T14:49:39 < dongs> ... 2015-04-18T14:49:43 < dongs> the idiot didnt put input cap 2015-04-18T14:49:45 < dongs> on the switcher 2015-04-18T14:50:33 < dongs> this guy is on R2COM pro-level 2015-04-18T14:50:34 < ReadError> i will assume you are talking about another idiot 2015-04-18T14:50:38 < ReadError> and not me 2015-04-18T14:50:52 < dongs> just so you know, ReadError I've had you on ignore for quite a while now. 2015-04-18T14:51:15 < ReadError> [dongs PING reply]: 1sec 2015-04-18T14:51:27 < ReadError> just so you know, i am not new to the interactive blogging networks 2015-04-18T14:52:46 < GargantuaSauce_> What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the IRCEE, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on ripple voltage, and I have over 300 confirmed buck converters. 2015-04-18T14:53:16 < ReadError> ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 2015-04-18T14:54:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o GargantuaSauce_] by ChanServ 2015-04-18T14:57:43 <@GargantuaSauce_> about time 2015-04-18T15:02:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-18T15:15:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-18T15:18:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T15:18:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T15:36:32 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-18T15:47:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.73] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T15:49:21 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T16:04:47 < dongs> LOL 2015-04-18T16:04:53 < dongs> is that all it takes to get ops? 2015-04-18T16:07:44 -!- mode/##stm32 [-v dongs] by GargantuaSauce_ 2015-04-18T16:07:45 <@GargantuaSauce_> do not diminish my radiance 2015-04-18T16:09:00 < dongs> GargantuaSauce_, listen. I'm quite disgusted by your non-apology and fakery. I have removed you from all my social contacts. Your naivete is not worth my time. There are a lot of better tech experts out there, experts that surely pay more attention about diversity than YOU DO. 2015-04-18T16:09:56 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T16:15:35 < ReadError> Hi! It looks like you're blogging on IRC. Would you like to: [Add Comments] [e-Mail this to a Friend] [Digg This!] [Submit to Slashdot] [Add to del.icio.us] [Commit suicide because nobody cares] 2015-04-18T16:15:55 < dongs> is del.icio.us even around anymore 2015-04-18T16:16:08 < dongs> lol seems 2015-04-18T16:16:09 < dongs> useless. 2015-04-18T16:16:09 <@GargantuaSauce_> stumbleupon is where it's at 2015-04-18T16:21:12 < Steffanx> dongs wants to be OP too? 2015-04-18T16:21:38 < dongs> no you can just ban beaky*!*@* 2015-04-18T16:21:56 < Steffanx> no one here called like that 2015-04-18T16:25:08 -!- DanteA [~X@host-160-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-18T16:26:39 < ReadError> pre-emptive 2015-04-18T16:26:53 < ReadError> altho i thought dongs was anti-banning anyone 2015-04-18T16:31:41 < akaWolf> ow... 2015-04-18T16:31:53 < akaWolf> wtf happening there? :) 2015-04-18T16:38:02 < jpa-> just blogging 2015-04-18T16:38:20 < dongs> heh 2015-04-18T16:38:23 < dongs> adding cap to input worked 2015-04-18T16:41:08 < PeterM> [21:33] buck input current waveform is ugly. 2015-04-18T16:44:16 < dongs> rite 2015-04-18T16:44:23 < dongs> apparently this is not the first time he fucked this up 2015-04-18T16:44:31 < dongs> last year made same dumb mistake on another board 2015-04-18T16:44:34 < dongs> and learned nothing 2015-04-18T16:44:45 < dongs> i might be an irc pro but at least i have caps on input on my stuff!!11 2015-04-18T16:45:13 < ReadError> why dont they just have you do the board? cheap? 2015-04-18T16:46:09 < PeterM> dongs you'd think any tard can copy a typical application circuit 2015-04-18T16:46:29 < ReadError> <-- case and point 2015-04-18T16:49:51 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T16:59:44 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T17:14:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ck0fwsb.png fucking REALLY? 2015-04-18T17:15:49 < PeterM> automated spam to prevent automated spam 2015-04-18T17:18:18 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T17:18:20 < dongs> OMFG 2015-04-18T17:18:22 < dongs> i went through like 20 of htem 2015-04-18T17:18:30 < dongs> either just clicking retryt cuz it was insane 2015-04-18T17:18:34 < dongs> or typign waht i thought it was 2015-04-18T17:18:36 < dongs> not even one hit 2015-04-18T17:18:38 < dongs> what the fuck man 2015-04-18T17:18:39 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T17:18:49 < dongs> teh audio one is evne more worthless 2015-04-18T17:21:00 < dongs> closing page. 2015-04-18T17:21:03 < dongs> not worth my time 2015-04-18T17:22:28 < PeterM> when in the philippines if i ever used mobile data i got hammered by captchas 2015-04-18T17:23:06 < dongs> i bet 2015-04-18T17:34:14 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-18T17:44:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.134] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T17:45:58 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-18T17:46:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jsatjslkilowxijh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-18T17:50:11 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-18T17:54:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T17:57:08 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T18:02:28 < dongs> hm 2015-04-18T18:02:30 < dongs> more switcher drama 2015-04-18T18:02:37 < dongs> seems to be current limiting 2015-04-18T18:02:44 < dongs> 12V in, ~360mA output max 2015-04-18T18:02:50 < dongs> 5V in, 880mA output max 2015-04-18T18:03:05 < dongs> AOZ1280CI 2015-04-18T18:03:17 < dongs> englishman: did you measure how much you can draw off that shit max 2015-04-18T18:04:03 < englishman> quite a bit 2015-04-18T18:04:06 < dongs> hm 2015-04-18T18:12:49 < PeterM> 12/5 in how much out? 2015-04-18T18:13:15 < englishman> whats output set to dongs 2015-04-18T18:13:35 < PeterM> also how much inductance 2015-04-18T18:13:58 < PeterM> if yuhave 12v in and like 1.8 out and very little inductance, inductor ripple current is hueg 2015-04-18T18:15:31 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has quit [Quit: User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's] 2015-04-18T18:18:16 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T18:23:56 < dongs> 3.3 2015-04-18T18:24:18 < PeterM> and atleast 3.3uH? 2015-04-18T18:25:11 < dongs> i think 4.7, lemme see wat was ordered 2015-04-18T18:25:27 < PeterM> 4.7 should be fine then 2015-04-18T18:25:42 < PeterM> whats it look like on scope? 2015-04-18T18:27:56 < dongs> oh, looks like its solved. input cap was the 1st problem and the "current limiting" is... lol 2015-04-18T18:28:02 < dongs> i was measuring from input side 2015-04-18T18:28:13 < PeterM> pfffffff 2015-04-18T18:28:22 <@GargantuaSauce_> that would explain the reduced current 2015-04-18T18:28:25 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-18T18:28:51 <@GargantuaSauce_> i am rescinding your ircee 2015-04-18T18:29:33 < dongs> not my project :( 2015-04-18T18:29:37 < dongs> just ragetweeting about it 2015-04-18T18:29:42 < PeterM> abuse of power! someone, quick, take away his ops! 2015-04-18T18:31:12 < dongs> looks like I didnt link this yet https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/description 2015-04-18T18:31:15 < dongs> what fucking shite 2015-04-18T18:31:25 < dongs> you can buy a cheaper netbook/tablet 2015-04-18T18:31:27 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T18:32:02 <@GargantuaSauce_> you can get one of those android dongles for like 50 bucks 2015-04-18T18:32:05 <@GargantuaSauce_> that's literally the same thing as this 2015-04-18T18:32:12 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T18:32:15 < dongs> not really cuz: this thing is a shitty celeron 2015-04-18T18:32:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-18T18:32:49 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-18T18:32:56 < PeterM> isn't celeron like 99% water? 2015-04-18T18:33:05 < PeterM> wait thats celery 2015-04-18T18:33:13 < dongs> The full version of Endless OS is only available on an Endless Computer. We are targeting specific hardware and do not provide a general purpose installer at this time. If you're interested, most of our software source code is available for download at http://github.com/endlessm. In the future, we plan to make disk images available as well. 2015-04-18T18:33:35 <@GargantuaSauce_> dat gpl violation 2015-04-18T18:34:14 < PeterM> oh noes, callthe internets police! 2015-04-18T18:34:28 < dongs> https://github.com/endlessm/eos-desktop 2015-04-18T18:34:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-3-232-65.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-18T18:34:30 < dongs> w o w. 2015-04-18T18:34:38 < dongs> they've been at it for liek 3 years 2015-04-18T18:34:41 < dongs> according to commit history 2015-04-18T18:34:46 < dongs> making lunix desktop shittier: check 2015-04-18T18:34:56 < dongs> and its mostly in jewascript 2015-04-18T18:34:58 < dongs> da fuq 2015-04-18T18:35:02 <@GargantuaSauce_> based on gnome2? 2015-04-18T18:35:07 < dongs> wtf 7 years ago 2015-04-18T18:35:09 < dongs> no, gnome 3 2015-04-18T18:35:25 < dongs> what does gnome do with javascript 2015-04-18T18:35:29 < dongs> is that how you write lunix apps now? 2015-04-18T18:35:37 -!- emeb_mac 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like a plan 2015-04-19T03:52:45 < kakimir> should g500 be armored? 2015-04-19T03:54:16 < englishman> give me kamaz or give me death 2015-04-19T04:15:21 < kakimir> what do you think is corporate-military complex has technology decades ahead of free market stuff? 2015-04-19T04:15:27 < kakimir> *if 2015-04-19T04:17:42 < kakimir> I don't quite believe so 2015-04-19T04:20:44 < ReadError> R2COM im sure your comrades can get you a good deal on a stolen one that was shipped over in a container ship 2015-04-19T04:25:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T04:27:38 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T04:29:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-19T04:32:36 < kakimir> what if dinosaurs did not stop excisting`? 2015-04-19T04:38:16 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecgicwhmkfxeowqk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T04:38:25 < BrainDamage> related: https://i.imgur.com/gggOOGk.png 2015-04-19T04:42:12 < Getty> you got a picture of his real inner beauty... just wonderful 2015-04-19T04:42:33 < ReadError> R2COM how are your fellow comrades dealing with the porn ban 2015-04-19T04:44:49 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-19T04:45:32 < karlp> upgrdman: *shrugs* I prefer it to eclipse, but I can't say I'm a huge fan or anything, learnt how it works enough to get by these days. 2015-04-19T04:46:37 < ReadError> just go with mbed 2015-04-19T04:46:42 < ReadError> develop in the CLOUD 2015-04-19T05:42:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T05:43:02 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-180-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-19T05:48:47 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T06:55:00 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has 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when you index out of bounds with [] 2015-04-19T10:51:42 < upgrdman> when i step over that line, i get to "std::vector >::operator[]() at stl_vector.h:751 0x402370 " and if i step over again, the program terminates. 2015-04-19T10:51:53 < upgrdman> k 2015-04-19T10:52:40 < jpa-> you can probably do like vector > myvector(16, vector(16)); to initialize it to 16x16 size 2015-04-19T10:53:04 < upgrdman> k 2015-04-19T11:00:38 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-19T11:11:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T11:13:08 -!- Amperture [~Amp@107-207-76-17.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-19T11:19:40 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T11:27:45 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T11:38:08 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T11:48:52 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How can i see how much ram i have left on stm32f4-disco? 2015-04-19T13:54:46 < jpa-> for static allocations, arm-none-eabi-size -t foobar.elf will tell you the used amount 2015-04-19T13:55:15 < jpa-> for stack, you need to fill the stack with some 0xAAAAAAAAAA value and check how much of it gets used up at runtime 2015-04-19T14:04:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-19T14:17:45 < AndreeeCZ> jpa-, thank you! 2015-04-19T14:19:09 < AndreeeCZ> jpa-, how do i read it? 2015-04-19T14:19:09 < AndreeeCZ> http://pastie.org/10101264 2015-04-19T14:28:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T14:34:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecgicwhmkfxeowqk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-19T14:43:46 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-19T14:47:11 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-19T14:53:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T14:55:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T15:03:25 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T15:08:34 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-19T15:08:50 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T15:23:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.233] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T15:53:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-19T16:02:16 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbkxbvinmyfprpzd] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T16:04:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T16:04:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-224-156-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-19T16:04:53 -!- DanteB [~X@host-58-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T16:14:49 -!- DanteB [~X@host-58-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-19T16:19:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-122-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T16:31:40 < dongs> hm 2015-04-19T16:31:55 < dongs> zyp: how doyou jump to app on bootloader without __asm 2015-04-19T16:32:15 < zyp> you can do func ptr 2015-04-19T16:32:24 < dongs> but need to do something with mspright? 2015-04-19T16:32:46 < zyp> yeah, and I prefer doing it all in one statement 2015-04-19T16:32:59 < dongs> got a paste? 2015-04-19T16:33:07 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n19 2015-04-19T16:33:24 < dongs> .... "without asm" 2015-04-19T16:33:36 < dongs> you know cmsis has __setMSP and stuff. 2015-04-19T16:33:41 < zyp> yeah, that's whad I don't prefer :p 2015-04-19T16:34:26 < dongs> i wonder if I need to kill interrupts 2015-04-19T16:34:28 < dongs> before all that 2015-04-19T16:34:54 < zyp> after resetting the stack pointer, you've fucked up the stack, so if the compiler tries using the stack before jumping to the reset vector, it'll fail 2015-04-19T16:35:06 < zyp> uh 2015-04-19T16:35:15 < _Sync_> or works if you are very very lucky 2015-04-19T16:35:23 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ldDPAw71.html 2015-04-19T16:35:38 < zyp> I do this directly after reset, before enabling any interrupts 2015-04-19T16:36:45 < zyp> I always do a full reset after bootloader mode, before jumping to main 2015-04-19T16:39:56 < dongs> oh 2015-04-19T16:40:05 < dongs> i bet this fuck doesnt set SCB_VTOR 2015-04-19T16:40:44 < zyp> ah, that'll fuck up interrupts 2015-04-19T16:42:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T16:45:43 < qyx_> i did this but also withut disablink interrupts and setting vtor https://github.com/iqyx/ubload/blob/master/common/fw_image.c#L57 2015-04-19T16:46:36 < qyx_> vtor is set in the app itself 2015-04-19T16:49:09 < zyp> jumping to app without using assembly is a nice way to write code that will only work when built with optimizations enabled 2015-04-19T16:51:18 < qyx_> which part should fail? 2015-04-19T16:52:42 < dongs> msp should be pointing to what? 2015-04-19T16:52:46 < dongs> start of user flash? 2015-04-19T16:59:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-19T16:59:22 -!- DanteA [~X@host-122-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-19T17:00:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-122-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T17:07:42 < dongs> ugh 2015-04-19T17:07:45 < dongs> setmsp and shit freezes 2015-04-19T17:07:49 < dongs> wat 2do 2015-04-19T17:11:40 < dongs> lol R14, R15 are pointing to 0xDEADDEAD 2015-04-19T17:11:42 < dongs> and 0xDEADDEAC 2015-04-19T17:12:35 < _Sync_> 0o 2015-04-19T17:12:47 < _Sync_> troles at ARM? 2015-04-19T17:18:06 < dongs> deaddead might be a keil stack thign 2015-04-19T17:21:40 < _Sync_> hmm 2015-04-19T17:21:42 < _Sync_> eventually 2015-04-19T17:40:03 < Laurenceb> lol seen same in texane 2015-04-19T17:44:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-19T17:44:14 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T17:56:01 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T17:57:45 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T18:06:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T18:12:00 < zyp> dongs, well, you could always do asm :p 2015-04-19T18:22:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-69-161.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T18:34:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-19T18:37:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.233] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T18:48:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-19T18:50:02 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T18:50:19 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-19T18:53:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T18:53:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-69-161.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-19T18:54:13 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T19:04:50 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbkxbvinmyfprpzd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-19T19:21:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-19T19:28:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T19:36:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-19T19:38:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-19T19:43:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T19:43:28 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-19T19:43:59 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-19T19:45:37 < dongs> http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pakistani-man-sets-wife-on-fire-for-leaving-house-without-permission-756306 2015-04-19T19:46:08 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T19:48:34 < Tectu> how's zano? 2015-04-19T19:51:15 < Tectu> dongs ^ 2015-04-19T19:51:22 < PeterM> lol tectu doesnt care about people setting people on fire, most important to him is zango. 2015-04-19T19:51:46 < Tectu> exactly 2015-04-19T19:51:52 < Steffanx> too bad we still dont have videos of zano 2015-04-19T19:52:02 < Steffanx> and yet they'll ship in july 2015-04-19T19:52:09 < Tectu> you missed the kickstarter video then, Steffanx 2015-04-19T19:52:25 < Steffanx> they admitted that was with a wire 2015-04-19T19:52:40 < Tectu> woohoo 2015-04-19T19:52:51 < Steffanx> you mean their first promo video right? 2015-04-19T19:52:56 < Tectu> yes 2015-04-19T19:53:53 < Laurenceb> lawl 2015-04-19T19:54:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-19T20:03:31 < ReadError> is there any fab that will do 1oz inner layers on 4L ? 2015-04-19T20:03:36 < ReadError> that doesnt bring the rapes 2015-04-19T20:08:33 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-19T20:08:38 < _Sync_> some china fabs will do that 2015-04-19T20:08:48 < _Sync_> they will also do 2oz on inners 2015-04-19T20:10:19 < ReadError> im a simple oshpark scrub 2015-04-19T20:10:24 < ReadError> they only do 1/2oz inners 2015-04-19T20:12:17 < ReadError> safepcb has 2oz option but its expensive until you get a decent amount 2015-04-19T20:13:08 < Tectu> Laurenceb :-* 2015-04-19T20:19:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.233] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T20:21:25 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T20:32:50 < Laurenceb> http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/Transport/Motorcycles/Sunbeam/Deloford2.jpg 2015-04-19T20:33:16 < Laurenceb> from the makes of zano 2015-04-19T20:37:26 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-19T20:38:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-19T20:42:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-19T20:48:38 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T20:51:20 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T20:53:25 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T20:55:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.41] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T20:58:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-19T21:03:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T21:06:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T21:09:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T21:10:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-19T21:11:20 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-19T21:20:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T21:33:30 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-19T21:35:16 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T21:44:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-19T22:00:25 -!- GargantuaSauce_ [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-19T22:02:09 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T22:03:53 -!- GargantuaSauce is now known as GargantuaSauce_ 2015-04-19T22:03:55 < GargantuaSauce_> nuuuu my ops 2015-04-19T22:04:06 < zyp> fix your internets 2015-04-19T22:04:26 -!- GargantuaSauce_ is now known as GargantuaSauce 2015-04-19T22:04:39 < GargantuaSauce> thats what i was doing 2015-04-19T22:05:16 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o GargantuaSauce] by ChanServ 2015-04-19T22:05:18 <@GargantuaSauce> much better 2015-04-19T22:05:24 < Steffanx> next time kick yourself when shit happens. 2015-04-19T22:09:06 < Steffanx> Do we need another OP anyway? Izua is gone, dekar is semi-gone 2015-04-19T22:09:11 < Steffanx> and im getting busyish lately 2015-04-19T22:09:37 < Steffanx> not that much shit happens here, but .. just in case? 2015-04-19T22:13:23 <@GargantuaSauce> yeah add me to the list if you want 2015-04-19T22:14:03 <@GargantuaSauce> not familiar with freenode's channel services but i'll figure it out 2015-04-19T22:15:50 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o GargantuaSauce] by ChanServ 2015-04-19T22:17:10 < zyp> Steffanx, you could always add me, I tend to behave 2015-04-19T22:17:23 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o GargantuaSauce] by ChanServ 2015-04-19T22:17:32 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o GargantuaSauce] by GargantuaSauce 2015-04-19T22:18:15 < Steffanx> so now GargantuaSauce and zyp have the power. 2015-04-19T22:18:38 < Steffanx> enjoy 2015-04-19T22:18:47 < gxti> rip 2015-04-19T22:19:21 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o zyp] by ChanServ 2015-04-19T22:19:22 < GargantuaSauce> a new world order 2015-04-19T22:19:24 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o zyp] by ChanServ 2015-04-19T22:19:25 < zyp> works 2015-04-19T22:24:27 < kakimir> can somebody explain new world order? 2015-04-19T22:24:40 < kakimir> who is to gain 2015-04-19T22:30:10 < Steffanx> uh what kakimir? 2015-04-19T22:36:43 < gxti> beaky will lead us to victory 2015-04-19T22:38:59 < Steffanx> is beaky still alive? 2015-04-19T22:39:23 < Steffanx> Haven't seen him ask anything about ethernet powered smps lately 2015-04-19T22:50:39 < Fleck> found dongs project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode_bridge#/media/File:Hand_made_diode_bridge.jpg :) 2015-04-19T22:53:06 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T22:53:58 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-19T23:02:46 < qyx_> if you recall my slightly stupid question if there's any algo to find "how much something is there" 2015-04-19T23:02:57 < qyx_> or "is something there with at least this probability?" 2015-04-19T23:03:02 < qyx_> then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter 2015-04-19T23:10:06 < Laurenceb_> found a bearing for dongs https://www.cromwell.co.uk/images/product/FAG/670/FAG6701730B_0.jpg 2015-04-19T23:23:21 < Fleck> ;p 2015-04-19T23:29:22 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-19T23:36:56 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-19T23:37:18 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-19T23:37:27 < Laurenceb_> uh oh 2015-04-19T23:37:40 < Laurenceb_> just realised i have top secret DARPA project on my camera 2015-04-19T23:37:45 < Laurenceb_> imguring 2015-04-19T23:38:37 < Laurenceb_> 4 the lulz 2015-04-19T23:39:23 -!- saltiresable [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Quit: *screeeeeeeeech* *vrrroooooommmmm*] 2015-04-19T23:39:41 < Laurenceb_> so slow 2015-04-19T23:40:43 < Steffanx> too slow 2015-04-19T23:41:56 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/YOncNLR 2015-04-19T23:42:52 < qyx_> much dip 2015-04-19T23:43:00 < Steffanx> and what is it? 2015-04-19T23:43:13 < Steffanx> except for a secret DERPA project 2015-04-19T23:43:15 < Laurenceb_> top secret nuclear fallout fingerprinting system 2015-04-19T23:43:24 < Laurenceb_> tells you who dropped the nuke 2015-04-19T23:44:08 < Laurenceb_> now im going to gitmo lulz 2015-04-19T23:44:20 < Laurenceb_> actually it all unclassified :P 2015-04-19T23:44:21 < Steffanx> better build a system that defends you against nukes 2015-04-19T23:44:23 < Laurenceb_> *its 2015-04-19T23:44:33 < Laurenceb_> and involves less dip 2015-04-19T23:44:53 < _Sync_> sma shiet 2015-04-19T23:45:08 < Laurenceb_> its designed to be "handheld" 2015-04-19T23:45:12 < qyx_> lol 2015-04-19T23:45:19 < Laurenceb_> handle is on the right hand side 2015-04-19T23:47:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-19T23:47:47 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-19T23:52:33 < _Sync_> wat 2015-04-19T23:56:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Mon Apr 20 2015 2015-04-20T00:02:53 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-20T00:08:50 < kakimir> do you know if there is device that makes lipo pack virtually seem thru terminals like nimh pack? 2015-04-20T00:09:25 < kakimir> so that nimhs could be replaced in devices 2015-04-20T00:10:02 < kakimir> could be charged with what ever charger etc.etc. 2015-04-20T00:13:36 < kakimir> having voltage range conversion for application 2015-04-20T00:14:24 < kakimir> so that it's charge is measureable without modifications 2015-04-20T00:14:43 < _Sync_> that would be hugely inefficient 2015-04-20T00:15:49 < kakimir> meh some pro coils and pro fets 2015-04-20T00:15:55 < kakimir> +90 2015-04-20T00:16:42 < kakimir> but voltage conversion would be possible to be disabled 2015-04-20T00:17:07 < kakimir> when outputting power 2015-04-20T00:17:31 < qyx_> why would you do that? 2015-04-20T00:18:00 < qyx_> having all that stuff inside an "adapter cell" would give you probably even worse characteristics than the nimh cell has 2015-04-20T00:18:01 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T00:18:13 < kakimir> :/ 2015-04-20T00:18:21 < superbia> sup 2015-04-20T00:18:23 < kakimir> innovation of day https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKeHhwTDBrYmZVcE0&usp=sharing 2015-04-20T00:18:44 < kakimir> some turn wheels and small rope and its dones 2015-04-20T00:19:10 < kakimir> no. it's not a finnish house 2015-04-20T00:20:09 < kakimir> and not my bike. that's why it's a test piece 2015-04-20T00:20:12 < superbia> kakimir: nice guerilla installations 2015-04-20T00:20:36 < _Sync_> wow, such innovation 2015-04-20T00:21:27 < kakimir> Ifelt like a man when I used nail gun to put 2 wood pieces together 2015-04-20T00:22:43 < kakimir> maybe I do some more things 2015-04-20T00:23:03 -!- DanteA [~X@host-122-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-20T00:26:00 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T00:27:26 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T00:27:34 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-20T00:27:58 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T00:29:01 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-20T00:29:49 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T00:31:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-84fc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-20T00:32:05 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-20T00:33:12 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-20T00:52:05 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-20T00:53:15 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-20T00:57:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-20T01:02:04 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-20T01:03:30 -!- Vutral [~ss@p5B2A55BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T01:03:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@p5B2A55BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-20T01:03:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T01:11:27 < Getty> some of you might know ExtJS, the distribution of the soon upcoming 6.0.0 version is unpacked 587 MB.... i just wanted to drop that information 2015-04-20T01:12:20 < qyx_> for much js awesomness 2015-04-20T01:12:44 < qyx_> are you using extjs for that storm/rain simulator? 2015-04-20T01:12:51 < Getty> no 2015-04-20T01:13:21 < Getty> for setting this low amount of variables i dont need a goliath 2015-04-20T01:13:36 < Getty> also that would never work out, as i cant prevent extjs from loading TONS of assets 2015-04-20T01:13:51 < qyx_> i only used jqueryui, it was few kB 2015-04-20T01:14:20 < Getty> jquery ui also has some assets that get loaded uncontrolled, but yeah its pretty minimal 2015-04-20T01:14:32 < Getty> in the end, if you have a good gfx guy, then you dont need any js framework ;) 2015-04-20T01:14:47 < Getty> at least not for "overall", you just pick the "tool frameworks" that come in handy 2015-04-20T01:16:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T01:18:40 < englishman> can i have ops too, i was a 1st-day zano backer so you know i am trustworthy and qualified 2015-04-20T01:20:53 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2015-04-20T01:20:58 <@englishman> <3 2015-04-20T01:22:30 < qyx_> be nice to all of us 2015-04-20T01:23:18 <@englishman> suggesting things to the ops, thats a kickban 2015-04-20T01:24:00 < qyx_> the same apply to requesting an op 2015-04-20T01:24:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o GargantuaSauce] by englishman 2015-04-20T01:24:32 <@englishman> come rule with me fellow canadian 2015-04-20T01:27:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gmlbdwrwobmbitlm] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T01:39:56 < upgrdman> so who actually started this channel? 2015-04-20T01:41:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-20T01:41:24 < Laurenceb_> jcoxon 2015-04-20T01:41:27 < Laurenceb_> back in 2006 2015-04-20T01:42:00 < Laurenceb_> wait this isnt #highaltitude 2015-04-20T01:42:02 < Laurenceb_> epic fail 2015-04-20T01:43:30 < zyp> I heard failing is a bannable offense now 2015-04-20T01:44:02 < Laurenceb_> lol 2015-04-20T01:44:13 < Laurenceb_> mixing up mah tabs 2015-04-20T01:56:02 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-207-47.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-20T02:01:12 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T02:07:26 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-20T02:25:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T02:28:28 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone recommend development IDE with code completition for STM32F1? :) 2015-04-20T02:28:58 < specing> vim 2015-04-20T02:29:05 < specing> + ctags 2015-04-20T02:29:11 < _Sync_> ^ 2015-04-20T02:29:30 < ColdKeyboard> I forgot to say, for Windows :) 2015-04-20T02:29:36 <@englishman> notepad++ and a keyboard capable of typing 2015-04-20T02:30:31 <@englishman> this is supposed to be cool but i never tried http://visualgdb.com/toolchains/embedded 2015-04-20T02:37:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-20T02:43:10 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T02:46:16 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T02:46:37 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-20T03:13:10 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-20T03:13:16 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-188-127-70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T03:14:08 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-04-20T03:15:29 <@englishman> Sup normo 2015-04-20T03:15:31 < dongs> < Steffanx> and yet they'll ship in july 2015-04-20T03:15:33 < dongs> june 2015-04-20T03:22:46 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-20T03:31:06 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T03:32:06 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-20T03:33:15 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T03:54:24 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-20T03:59:01 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@113-61-74-207.static.vic.dsl.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T04:00:06 -!- PeterM-Mobile [~bgdwiepp@1.145.158.118] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T04:00:40 -!- PeterM-Mobile [~bgdwiepp@1.145.158.118] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-20T04:01:38 < upgrdman> russian dash cam videos on youtube... i love this shit 2015-04-20T04:01:49 < upgrdman> i could watch idiots crashing their shit cars for hours 2015-04-20T04:03:53 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@1.152.97.92] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T04:04:40 < amstan> upgrdman: throw some ice in the mix 2015-04-20T04:05:51 < upgrdman> ice? 2015-04-20T04:05:57 < upgrdman> oh, winter crashes? 2015-04-20T04:06:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@113-61-74-207.static.vic.dsl.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-20T04:07:35 < upgrdman> sure. im not blaming russia or anything. 2015-04-20T04:07:40 < upgrdman> but they have cams! 2015-04-20T04:08:04 < upgrdman> so i get to enjoy their crashes 2015-04-20T04:17:20 < Getty> tanks with gopro is much better 2015-04-20T04:17:40 < Getty> that russian dashcam stuff is so not pro 2015-04-20T04:18:49 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T04:24:56 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@1.152.97.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-20T04:26:53 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-20T04:48:12 < PeterM> upgrdman, i watched a bunch of australian ones the other day - was good 2015-04-20T05:03:19 < PeterM> R2COM, IIRC, their early ones are absolute garbage but their latest one is fine 2015-04-20T05:07:22 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR0TM3eitNk a bit slow but the guy knows what hes talking about 2015-04-20T05:36:15 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone please share a makefile for STM32F103 and GCC for ARM? I found one at http://hertaville.com/2012/05/28/gcc-arm-toolchain-stm32f0discovery/ and make works, but make clean doesn't :\ 2015-04-20T06:08:08 -!- chrysn [~chrysn@prometheus.amsuess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-20T06:08:57 -!- chrysn [~chrysn@prometheus.amsuess.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T06:23:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-20T06:39:12 < upgrdman> i bet this end well http://i.imgur.com/VZ0kk0m.jpg 2015-04-20T06:39:37 < upgrdman> ColdKeyboard, my make clean just deletes a .bin and .elf 2015-04-20T06:40:06 < upgrdman> clean: 2015-04-20T06:40:06 < upgrdman> rm -rf $(EXECUTABLE) 2015-04-20T06:40:06 < upgrdman> rm -rf $(BIN_IMAGE) 2015-04-20T06:40:39 < dongs> make EXECUTABLE=/ 2015-04-20T06:53:39 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-20T06:53:46 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T07:10:02 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-20T07:10:04 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T07:12:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T07:51:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-58-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T07:57:45 < upgrdman> dunno. was on r/wtf 2015-04-20T08:01:38 < upgrdman> people still use yahoo? 2015-04-20T08:02:33 < upgrdman> gmail is nice 2015-04-20T08:04:00 < DanteA> Are you working already, R2COM? 2015-04-20T08:07:09 < DanteA> Do you have flexible hours? 2015-04-20T08:07:43 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T08:10:02 < dongs> there's a .black tld 2015-04-20T08:11:30 <@englishman> theres a .sucks 2015-04-20T08:11:56 < dongs> its pre-register 2015-04-20T08:12:03 < dongs> Binding Pre-Order (est): 2015-04-20T08:12:04 < dongs> General Availability: Q3/2015 2015-04-20T08:12:24 < dongs> Daren Han about 2 hours ago 2015-04-20T08:12:24 < dongs> What if some kids want to shoot down the drone using rubber band? Can Zano avoid the attacks on itself or it require manual intervention ? 2015-04-20T08:13:03 < dongs> the kind of retard that backed zano 2015-04-20T08:13:09 < dongs> so im sure he thinks it spossible 2015-04-20T08:14:01 <@englishman> anything is possible 2015-04-20T08:14:04 <@englishman> with zanocom 2015-04-20T08:14:13 < dongs> R2COM: they already promised someting 2015-04-20T08:14:16 < dongs> using IR sensors tho 2015-04-20T08:14:19 < dongs> which is completley useless 2015-04-20T08:14:34 < dongs> yes 2015-04-20T08:14:48 < dongs> thats one of thier big sales points dude 2015-04-20T08:14:57 < dongs> there's a bunch of dudes on teh forum 2015-04-20T08:15:12 < dongs> "i dont want any other drons cuz only zano has obstacle avoidance 2015-04-20T08:15:44 < dongs> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/t31.0-8/11136087_820111591388736_2067460541639203386_o.jpg 2015-04-20T08:15:56 < dongs> they keep taking pics of those shitty fucking mockups 2015-04-20T08:15:59 < dongs> from like 6 months ago 2015-04-20T08:16:05 < dongs> yet they havent figured out how to do a flying video yet 2015-04-20T08:19:33 < dongs> june 2015 2015-04-20T08:19:35 < dongs> soon 2015-04-20T08:20:09 < dongs> they might try to pull the certification thing 2015-04-20T08:20:37 < dongs> claiming CE/FCC is making them delay 2015-04-20T08:21:04 < dongs> but they would be fucked if they actually went ahead with either one, because if they're late, and they say tehy're certifying, but they're not and actaully frantically trying to make it fly, then certify, t hen they're fucked 2015-04-20T08:21:13 < dongs> there's also been some mention of "local rf" that it uses to 'swarm' 2015-04-20T08:21:47 < dongs> but then oteh posts saying it will "swarm with wifi" 2015-04-20T08:21:55 < dongs> of course any of it can be bullshit cuz its not doable anywayt :p 2015-04-20T08:23:45 < dongs> After many hours of testing and refining our previous PCBs, we are confident the changes we have made will be 100% effective and this will be our final PCB iteration, allowing us to move onto the the "pilot" build of 500 ZANOs at the end of the month. 2015-04-20T08:23:59 < dongs> I want a job at zano 2015-04-20T08:24:01 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-20T08:24:03 < dongs> "PCB refiner" 2015-04-20T08:24:11 < dongs> i could spend many hours being very busy 2015-04-20T08:24:13 < dongs> doing nothing 2015-04-20T08:24:18 < dongs> and describing all the things im not doing 2015-04-20T08:25:44 < dongs> ya well 2015-04-20T08:25:49 < dongs> so tell me 2015-04-20T08:25:54 < dongs> how effective are your PCB changes 2015-04-20T08:25:55 < jpa-> you can't now? 2015-04-20T08:26:00 < dongs> on the scale of say 0 to 100% 2015-04-20T08:27:17 <@englishman> tighten up those graphics on level 3 2015-04-20T08:27:38 < dongs> but i bet you never had to reduce the operating voltage of the main electronic circuitry in order to further optimise the flight time 2015-04-20T08:27:49 < dongs> underclock that PIC32 2015-04-20T08:28:36 < dongs> but then your flight time is suboptimal 2015-04-20T08:29:31 < jpa-> maybe it'll get one frame encoded before the battery fails 2015-04-20T08:31:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-58-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-20T08:31:13 < dongs> unlikely 2015-04-20T08:31:18 < dongs> camera encodes frames. 2015-04-20T08:31:24 < dongs> but they dont have enough ram to buffer even one 2015-04-20T08:31:26 < dongs> at reasonable quality 2015-04-20T08:31:34 < dongs> they would need to dump it directly to SD 2015-04-20T08:31:40 < dongs> and they odnt hav enough ram to buffer those writes either 2015-04-20T08:31:44 < dongs> so they're fucked no matter what 2015-04-20T08:32:12 < dongs> good idea 2015-04-20T08:32:16 < dongs> when you wake up, hopefully zano is dead 2015-04-20T08:33:00 < dongs> We have spoken about the "pilot" build before, however, this is an important part of the manufacturing process. The pilot build allows for us to accurately measure the consistency of our manufacturing and quality control processes, as well as giving us vital information allowing for us an opportunity to optimise the efficiency of our manufacturing line prior to moving into mass-production of ZANO 2015-04-20T08:33:10 < dongs> they already had made 2-3 iterations of shit there? 2015-04-20T08:33:14 < dongs> how much "refining" do they need 2015-04-20T08:33:36 < dongs> once the fucking m,achine is setup, youre done 2015-04-20T08:42:07 < PeterM> [15:33] once the fucking m,achine is setup, youre done 2015-04-20T08:42:17 < PeterM> no, once the fucking machie is set up, you're ready to fuck 2015-04-20T08:43:12 < emeb_mac> you've been looking at "certain" websites again? 2015-04-20T08:44:32 < PeterM> yeah man, their motor cntrol is garbage, and the controllers are all wires and in shitty housings, i mean what the fuck guys, hey your shit together 2015-04-20T08:44:38 < PeterM> get 2015-04-20T08:44:40 -!- 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2015-04-20T10:24:21 < dongs> i wonder if zano ordedred injection molds yet for the outer shell. 2015-04-20T10:24:28 < dongs> those things will take like a month to make 2015-04-20T10:24:29 < dongs> maybe even more 2015-04-20T10:24:45 < dongs> not sure if vacuum forming ones are quicker 2015-04-20T10:25:03 < Bright> i should make a kickstarter 2015-04-20T10:25:17 < dongs> what will it be about 2015-04-20T10:25:29 < dongs> you're already 50% there 2015-04-20T10:25:33 < ReadError> that potato salad bastard made a fortune 2015-04-20T10:25:34 < dongs> you're on #stonerstonics, oshpark and stm32 2015-04-20T10:25:38 < dongs> 50k? 2015-04-20T10:25:43 < dongs> thats gonna last him what , a couple months 2015-04-20T10:25:50 < dongs> he probably already pissed it all away 2015-04-20T10:26:08 < ReadError> the oatmeal guy made a dickload' 2015-04-20T10:26:11 < ReadError> w/ those cards 2015-04-20T10:26:16 < Bright> i dunno, some project idea and make it into something 2015-04-20T10:26:17 < ReadError> 12mil? 2015-04-20T10:27:03 < Bright> it's hard because i have to either have a novel idea or compete on something else like cost or features 2015-04-20T10:27:24 < dongs> if you hang around here, there's tons of novel ideas 2015-04-20T10:27:31 < dongs> you just have to monetize them 2015-04-20T10:28:44 < ReadError> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1887824999/squatting-dog/description my fav 2015-04-20T10:29:17 < dongs> "kawaii green" 2015-04-20T10:30:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.132] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T10:30:46 < akaWolf> dongs: why do you spend so many time for non-interesting projects like zano? 2015-04-20T10:30:57 < dongs> akaWolf: because i have assburgers 2015-04-20T10:31:02 < dongs> i focus on dumb shit that doesnt amtter 2015-04-20T10:34:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-20T10:42:55 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 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Getty: but this is way better - it allows you to several troll anyone that has this device! :D 2015-04-20T19:27:01 < ReadError> dongs, http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-5VpjbHf/0/X2/CA_04201512252845-X2.jpg 2015-04-20T19:27:08 < ReadError> does that look different than yours? 2015-04-20T19:27:20 < dongs> yes mine is YELLOW 2015-04-20T19:27:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3t1rHcB.jpg 2015-04-20T19:27:59 < dongs> you got garbage 2014 version 2015-04-20T19:28:02 < dongs> mine is 2015!!!! 2015-04-20T19:29:03 < ReadError> my mfg date is after tho lol 2015-04-20T19:29:09 < Getty> "DESIGNED FOR LASER MACHINES" pew pew 2015-04-20T19:29:25 < dongs> anyway it looks just as shit 2015-04-20T19:29:32 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-20T19:29:33 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-6rFG2Cj/0/X2/CA_04181510500328-X2.jpg 2015-04-20T19:29:44 < ReadError> "using the pure water" 2015-04-20T19:30:06 < dongs> bedtime 2015-04-20T19:40:21 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released a new song "So Many Pros"? ;-) 2015-04-21T03:52:02 < dongs> sorry i dont keep track of niggers 2015-04-21T03:55:23 < kakimir> :D 2015-04-21T04:01:54 -!- caspinol [~caspinol@80.111.164.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-21T04:18:06 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T04:39:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-21T04:46:03 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dshvpbvkrxqrxpqh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-21T04:50:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T05:04:47 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orllgqmxahextmiz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-21T05:05:21 < kakimir> 0805 instead? 2015-04-21T05:09:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T05:09:42 < emeb_mac> R2COM upsizes all the things 2015-04-21T05:13:42 < englishman> 0603 is gigantic 2015-04-21T05:13:48 < englishman> why using such large parts 2015-04-21T05:13:58 < englishman> russian surplus? 2015-04-21T05:14:03 < englishman> so is 0402 2015-04-21T05:14:08 < englishman> pick up many at once 2015-04-21T05:14:17 < englishman> blow off finger, lands on pcb 2015-04-21T05:14:31 < englishman> if you have inferior technique 2015-04-21T05:15:15 < englishman> drink 3 shots of vodka and a large coffee 2015-04-21T05:15:24 < englishman> gives you the stability and attention you need 2015-04-21T05:15:43 < englishman> to focus 2015-04-21T05:15:47 < englishman> you can also sniff some blow 2015-04-21T05:15:58 < englishman> your pcb will be assembled in no time 2015-04-21T05:20:54 < englishman> busy developing zano firmware 2015-04-21T05:30:35 < englishman> so stoned 2015-04-21T05:47:57 < jadew> R2COM, is the mantis really just 1.5k? 2015-04-21T05:49:34 < jadew> that's not bad 2015-04-21T05:49:55 < jadew> I got a microscope recently and it was close 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< jadew> it's ok, but not great and considering that's what I'm using most of the time it's a bit annoying 2015-04-21T06:00:20 < jadew> oh, that's what I used to think too 2015-04-21T06:00:24 < jadew> things quickly changed 2015-04-21T06:00:37 < jadew> I was able to do some amazing rework with it 2015-04-21T06:00:52 < jadew> no to mention some mechanical stuff that I wouldn't have dreamt of doing 2015-04-21T06:03:00 < jadew> in the first day I got it I told my wife to come quick cuz I found some hidden inscriptions on our coins 2015-04-21T06:03:22 < jadew> I was able to write in the O in ROMANI on a coin like this one: http://media1.allnumis.com/314/09-02-2012/5-bani-2012_314_03842763cf37e51fL.jpg 2015-04-21T06:03:47 < jadew> the message was "Blowjob?" 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measn, srs, they have oilers for the washing machine 0o 2015-04-21T09:22:59 < dongs> wut 2015-04-21T09:23:30 < PeterM> ReadError, now set it up to toast bread 2015-04-21T09:26:13 < dongs> death to lightboxes 2015-04-21T09:26:18 < dongs> that dont allow rightclick to paste image link 2015-04-21T09:26:22 < dongs> fucking newfags 2015-04-21T09:53:32 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T09:59:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-21T10:03:47 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-21T10:13:27 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T10:15:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T10:18:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-21T10:22:44 -!- perillamint [~perillami@61.72.142.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 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Anyone know why? :\ 2015-04-21T16:49:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-21T16:52:10 < karlp> is eclipse compiling or do you have a makefile that's compiling? 2015-04-21T16:52:23 < karlp> code complete has nothing to do (unfortuntely) with what you're building 2015-04-21T16:52:27 < Laurenceb__> omg eclipse 2015-04-21T16:52:30 < Laurenceb__> no thanks 2015-04-21T16:52:35 < superbia> proclipse 2015-04-21T16:52:38 < karlp> that's something netbeans does well, it parses compiler command lines :) 2015-04-21T16:53:16 < PeterM> eclipse/proclipse/prolapse all the same 2015-04-21T16:53:27 < Laurenceb__> goatclipse 2015-04-21T16:53:58 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: I have gcc arm plugin for eclipse and it created makefile that compiles the project 2015-04-21T17:02:43 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: undefined reference is a linking error, not compile. 2015-04-21T17:03:52 < ColdKeyboard> Any ideas how can I fix it? Or can someone share makefile I could use? :\ 2015-04-21T17:06:54 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-21T17:10:02 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: read your makefile and add there the source file that has USART_GetITStatus() function. 2015-04-21T17:10:21 < dongs> http://i03.c.aliimg.com/img/ibank/2015/131/893/2056398131_185520797.jpg 2015-04-21T17:10:24 < dongs> what the lol 2015-04-21T17:12:55 < dongs> zyp, for the rest of production cost I'd say it will be very close to arcin 2015-04-21T17:13:02 < dongs> so you can use that number. 2015-04-21T17:13:21 < zyp> hmm? 2015-04-21T17:13:32 < dongs> "to assemble the rest of htem" 2015-04-21T17:13:38 < dongs> (answering your question) 2015-04-21T17:13:39 < zyp> ah, right 2015-04-21T17:13:58 < zyp> and parts? 2015-04-21T17:13:58 < dongs> cause the quantity is similar, and manual DIP vs doublesided will be about same 2015-04-21T17:14:12 < dongs> lemme see what I paid for this shit so far 2015-04-21T17:14:14 < dongs> it wasnt much 2015-04-21T17:15:03 < zyp> one of the guys got sick, so the meeting today was postponed until next week 2015-04-21T17:15:20 < dongs> excellent 2015-04-21T17:15:20 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:16:06 < dongs> zyp: this was for 12 + mouser price for yellow led + Ethernet 2015-04-21T17:16:21 < dongs> i had to get MOQ on a couple shits like PMEG2005 or wahtever 2015-04-21T17:16:34 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: I'm not that comfortable with makefiles :\ 2015-04-21T17:16:52 < dongs> lol @ tact switch price 2015-04-21T17:16:53 < dongs> just noticed it 2015-04-21T17:16:59 < dongs> i guess the 100 for $2 pack on ebay was legit 2015-04-21T17:17:06 < zyp> haha 2015-04-21T17:17:11 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-21T17:17:21 < ColdKeyboard> I tried adding ../system/src/stm32f1-stdperiph/stm32f10x_uart.c to the makefile but that line get's deleted everytime I hit build :\ 2015-04-21T17:18:27 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-21T17:18:29 < zyp> so the rest of the BOM is cheaper than the F4, that's nice 2015-04-21T17:18:37 < dongs> heh right 2015-04-21T17:18:45 < dongs> except PHY maybe? 2015-04-21T17:18:51 < zyp> ah, right 2015-04-21T17:18:56 < dongs> and F4 gets a bit cheaper, but not much I guess 2015-04-21T17:19:01 < dongs> until you start getting trays 2015-04-21T17:19:06 < dongs> i think 200/ in 64qfp 2015-04-21T17:19:29 < dongs> what else was from mouser? thats it right? 2015-04-21T17:19:50 < zyp> I think so 2015-04-21T17:19:51 < dongs> other than led but thats cuz i didnt wann buy a reel of yellow to nver use again 2015-04-21T17:20:10 < zyp> yeah, I noticed it was way higher than the other ones :p 2015-04-21T17:20:19 < dongs> brighter? 2015-04-21T17:20:27 < zyp> no, physically higher 2015-04-21T17:20:27 < dongs> or like height 2015-04-21T17:20:28 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: then ask those who care about that eclipse plugin that overwrites your makefile. 2015-04-21T17:20:28 < dongs> o 2015-04-21T17:20:42 < zyp> I haven't checked the brightness yet, only that awfully bright power led :p 2015-04-21T17:21:25 < Laurenceb__> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM2098/SC963/SS1690/LN1871/PF260827?icmp=pf260827_pron_mat20-launch-eiger_apr2015&sc=spc58ne84-pr 2015-04-21T17:21:30 < Laurenceb__> this is hardcore 2015-04-21T17:21:44 < dongs> < Laurenceb__> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM2098/SC963/SS1690/LN1871/PF260827?icmp=pf260827_pron_mat20-launch-eiger_apr2015&sc=spc58ne84-pr 2015-04-21T17:21:51 < dongs> well now I know why Laurenceb__ subs to ST newsletter 2015-04-21T17:22:06 < Laurenceb__> for pron? 2015-04-21T17:22:09 < dongs> y 2015-04-21T17:23:41 < PeterM> Marketing Status 2015-04-21T17:23:44 < PeterM> Proposal 2015-04-21T17:25:18 < Laurenceb__> no info on core speed 2015-04-21T17:25:40 < PeterM> because it oesnt exist 2015-04-21T17:25:45 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-21T17:25:53 < PeterM> no fucking shit 2015-04-21T17:25:56 < dongs> if you hover over the purple thing 2015-04-21T17:25:59 < dongs> read the text 2015-04-21T17:26:05 < dongs> 'no committment to make or do anything with this shit" 2015-04-21T17:26:09 < dongs> it's gonna be another STM32W 2015-04-21T17:26:28 < Laurenceb__> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ 2015-04-21T17:26:31 < Laurenceb__> who is awesome 2015-04-21T17:27:54 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-04-21T17:28:52 < ColdKeyboard> Where can I find example makefiles for stm32f1 and gcc? 2015-04-21T17:29:29 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: e.g. libopencm3-examples 2015-04-21T17:30:02 < ColdKeyboard> Thank you 2015-04-21T17:32:48 < Laurenceb__> dat web 2.0 2015-04-21T17:45:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:48:30 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:49:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:51:12 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqpzximthmnyvohj] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:52:06 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-21T17:53:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:54:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T17:57:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-21T18:18:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T18:19:53 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtuervlkfjkkpxug] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T18:21:09 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-21T18:23:41 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T18:29:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-21T18:32:25 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T18:39:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-21T18:41:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T18:51:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-21T18:54:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.84] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T18:56:18 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:02:51 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Quit: *screeeeeeeeech* *vrrroooooommmmm*] 2015-04-21T19:03:33 < Laurenceb__> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7379605760/h655704F6/ 2015-04-21T19:05:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-21T19:06:19 < _Sync_> Laurenceb__: not sure if trol 2015-04-21T19:06:46 < Laurenceb__> doh 2015-04-21T19:06:50 < Laurenceb__> apparently its troll 2015-04-21T19:07:02 < Laurenceb__> first posted before the date 2015-04-21T19:07:45 < Laurenceb__> http://www.snopes.com/graphics/quiz2.jpg 2015-04-21T19:09:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:14:10 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f776aa6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:14:45 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-21T19:19:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-21T19:19:46 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:22:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:27:01 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:27:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-21T19:33:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:37:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2015-04-21T19:39:33 -!- caspinol [~caspinol@remote.airspeed.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-21T19:44:06 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:45:27 < Tectu> is it a bad idea to put your RTC crystal next to the inductor of a SMPS? http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/0f86518883e8.jpg 2015-04-21T19:45:33 < Tectu> SMPS frequency is 1.4 MHz 2015-04-21T19:49:37 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:52:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-21T19:56:07 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T19:56:41 < qyx_> uh? electrolytic capacitors on 1.4MHz smps? 2015-04-21T19:58:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T20:00:49 < Tectu> qyx_, woops, wrong package. Thanks! 2015-04-21T20:00:58 < Tectu> qyx_, anyway, the original question is still around 2015-04-21T20:07:56 < rkreis_> Tectu, if you consider current loops, i don't see the problem 2015-04-21T20:08:19 < rkreis_> so what's left is stray magnetic fields 2015-04-21T20:09:17 < rkreis_> i can't give a better answer than "personally, i'd go for it" 2015-04-21T20:11:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-21T20:12:08 < Tectu> rkreis_, thanks! 2015-04-21T20:12:16 < Tectu> I hope somebody else will give his 5 cents to this 2015-04-21T20:12:44 < rkreis_> where did that nice render come from anyway? 2015-04-21T20:13:12 < Tectu> KiCAD 2015-04-21T20:13:20 < Tectu> #ProTools 2015-04-21T20:14:37 < rkreis_> is that a channel? 2015-04-21T20:15:28 < Tectu> sorry, it was ment to be a sarcastic parody of todays 14 years old twitter teens 2015-04-21T20:15:52 < Tectu> and sarcastic beacuse KiCAD is as far away from pro-tool as you can probably get 2015-04-21T20:16:09 < rkreis_> ok, that didn't arrive :) 2015-04-21T20:16:49 < Tectu> I'm sorry :P 2015-04-21T20:16:57 < Tectu> I'm usually not like that 2015-04-21T20:17:31 < rkreis_> i've been wanting to go from eagle to kicad for a while, so far i've been too lazy 2015-04-21T20:17:49 < Steffanx> from eagle to kikad isn't a bad choice imho 2015-04-21T20:18:08 < Tectu> I'd recommend to go for alitum 2015-04-21T20:18:15 < Steffanx> Tectu pays 2015-04-21T20:18:18 < Steffanx> the license 2015-04-21T20:18:22 < Steffanx> He did that for me too 2015-04-21T20:18:46 < Tectu> yep 2015-04-21T20:19:04 < Tectu> you get a free altium license including 3 years vault access if you purchase an ugfx license 2015-04-21T20:20:59 < Laurenceb__> channel level: Tectu https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt22faJm4vzO3IvA_eXmzkQ 2015-04-21T20:21:45 < Tectu> qyx_, are you around? 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2015-04-21T21:15:49 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@179.99.49.177] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T21:15:50 < Tectu> datasheet says that standard 4.7uF ceramic types will work just fine 2015-04-21T21:15:56 < Tectu> afaik tantalums are better in ESR crap, no? 2015-04-21T21:21:09 < qyx_> Tectu: half-around 2015-04-21T21:21:11 < jpa-> only in the aspect that they have larger ESR 2015-04-21T21:21:32 < jpa-> i would definitely use ceramic for such high-freq smps 2015-04-21T21:21:33 < qyx_> if the datasheet says ceramic, just use them 2015-04-21T21:21:42 < qyx_> they are even cheaper than tantal 2015-04-21T21:21:44 < Tectu> thanks guys 2015-04-21T21:21:47 < jpa-> you can add larger tantalum input cap if your battery has high ESR 2015-04-21T21:22:30 < Tectu> after the given 4.7uF input and 22uF output caps that are recommended in the datasheet - is it a bad habit to add further electrolythic caps? 2015-04-21T21:23:04 < jpa-> well they are useless on the output side 2015-04-21T21:23:15 < jpa-> on the input side it depends totally on the ESR of the battery 2015-04-21T21:23:50 < jpa-> ok well, actually not totally useless on output if you have some very annoying load like GSM module that takes 2A peaks 2015-04-21T21:25:05 < jpa-> note that the 4.7µF input cap is specified for stability, but it assumes you have a supply capable of feeding the largest peaks your system will take - so check if that is true and add caps if not 2015-04-21T21:28:16 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T21:36:21 < Tectu> Thanks 2015-04-21T21:36:35 < Tectu> jpa-, on the input side is a 12VDC maxwell AC/DC PSU 2015-04-21T21:36:58 < Tectu> meanwell* --> http://store.sure-electronics.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/s/ps-sp11535_2_b.jpg 2015-04-21T21:37:21 < Tectu> jpa-, the CR2032 crap is really just for RTC backup 2015-04-21T21:48:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T22:12:48 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T22:15:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T22:19:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-21T22:20:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T22:23:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T22:25:34 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-21T22:26:03 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtuervlkfjkkpxug] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-21T22:29:27 < gxti> every time i see meanwell all i can think is "they screwed it up, but at least they meanwell" 2015-04-21T22:32:26 < Tectu> thankyou for ruining my life 2015-04-21T22:33:23 < gxti> btw don't put any electro/tant caps on rtc battery, the leakage is too high 2015-04-21T22:33:35 < gxti> or even huge ceramics. 2015-04-21T22:34:30 < Tectu> gxti, there are none. But thanks for the hint! 2015-04-21T22:34:41 < Tectu> battery is directly and only connected to VBAT pin of stm32 crap 2015-04-21T22:35:55 < rkreis_> gxti, their name really is meant that way 2015-04-21T22:36:15 < rkreis_> (not including "screwing it up", of course) 2015-04-21T22:37:58 < gxti> i'm sure the original chinese lacked that connotation 2015-04-21T22:43:13 < qyx_> gxti is probably right 2015-04-21T22:43:27 < qyx_> they are china made, but higher quality than average china-made supplies 2015-04-21T22:44:13 < qyx_> they have proper filtering, proper datasheets, etc. 2015-04-21T22:49:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-21T22:55:39 < Laurenceb_> getting low RTC consumption is quite tricky 2015-04-21T22:55:56 < Laurenceb_> some of my dataloggers were drawing 125µA :-/ 2015-04-21T22:59:12 < Laurenceb_> LTC1844 helped a lot 2015-04-21T22:59:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:03:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.231.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-21T23:04:13 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@191.17.41.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:04:37 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@179.99.49.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-21T23:09:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-21T23:14:20 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jophatuyvujapyhg] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:19:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.44.88.247] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:20:58 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-21T23:22:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-21T23:30:35 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:38:48 < karlp> how did ltc1844 help? not that stellar at 35uA Iq... 2015-04-21T23:42:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.44.88.247] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-21T23:53:17 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:54:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah but i needed pretty good performance 2015-04-21T23:54:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-21T23:56:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-21T23:57:28 < Laurenceb_> after that i swapped to a low Iq 2.7v LDO and 3v SEPIC 2015-04-21T23:59:27 < Laurenceb_> but with 1.3Ah lipo its fine for a few years --- Day changed Wed Apr 22 2015 2015-04-22T00:05:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-22T00:15:54 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b4fd70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T00:15:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b4fd70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-22T00:16:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-22T00:27:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-22T00:32:39 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f776aa6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-22T00:37:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-22T00:40:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T00:41:42 -!- e_c [cpascoe@nat/google/x-xjobbwbovgqiktnd] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T00:42:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T00:45:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b4fd70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T00:45:40 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b4fd70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-22T00:56:42 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-22T00:58:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-22T01:19:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b4fd70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-22T01:26:06 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jophatuyvujapyhg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-22T01:26:51 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T01:27:10 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-22T01:31:48 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-22T01:37:20 -!- bourbon is now known as `backtick` 2015-04-22T01:42:00 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T01:43:02 < kakimir> http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html http://denyhost.sourceforge.net/faq.php what.. 2015-04-22T01:43:18 < kakimir> it's all copypaste 2015-04-22T01:43:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyiqbnvqbwmeqvop] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T01:53:24 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 2015-04-22T01:56:15 < scummos> who runs ssh with password login anyways 2015-04-22T01:56:47 < scummos> also the text is weird :D 2015-04-22T01:57:11 < kakimir> I do :p 2015-04-22T01:57:32 < scummos> why 2015-04-22T02:00:58 < kakimir> I have always had it so 2015-04-22T02:01:00 < Getty> cause of the fucking day where you are somewhere and want into your system?! ;) 2015-04-22T02:01:13 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-22T02:01:29 < Getty> i remember that.... i once had key-only police, after that password-crack shit 2015-04-22T02:01:30 < kakimir> I'm somewhere 2015-04-22T02:01:41 < Getty> and then it was like... A WEEK later..... 2015-04-22T02:01:49 < Getty> i was somewhere without my private key, and needed to get on the system 2015-04-22T02:03:45 < kakimir> my systems are not that critical 2015-04-22T02:03:58 < scummos> you could have a smartcard 2015-04-22T02:04:01 < scummos> but yes I understand the problem 2015-04-22T02:04:12 < scummos> "upload the private key to github and protect it with a passphrase" 2015-04-22T02:04:14 < scummos> :D 2015-04-22T02:04:15 < kakimir> that someone would pay effort to find out 1. my login name 2015-04-22T02:04:23 < kakimir> 2. my password 2015-04-22T02:04:31 < scummos> there are scripts which do that .. 2015-04-22T02:04:44 < scummos> just look at your sshd logs 2015-04-22T02:05:06 < kakimir> are they already found my login name 2015-04-22T02:05:47 < scummos> dunno, it just feels good to me to have everyone who even attempts password login immediately rejected. ;p 2015-04-22T02:07:03 < kakimir> when I looked at it when started denyhosts there was nothing but root attempts but now as there is different number of attempts for root, users and users that are not existing 2015-04-22T02:07:36 < scummos> I have attempts for all kinds of weird user names in there 2015-04-22T02:08:38 < kakimir> that is an issue when there is different number of attemps for different usernames 2015-04-22T02:08:49 < kakimir> and exact number everytime 2015-04-22T02:09:01 < BrainDamage> setup a list of OTP 2015-04-22T02:09:03 < scummos> see, all this doesn't matter for me since I just disconnect everyone who does not offer a private key. 2015-04-22T02:09:07 < kakimir> they might just get my login name right 2015-04-22T02:09:23 < scummos> (and nobody ever offers a private key) 2015-04-22T02:12:14 < kakimir> nothing but root here 2015-04-22T02:12:20 < kakimir> there scripts are dumb 2015-04-22T02:12:22 < scummos> interesting 2015-04-22T02:12:24 < kakimir> these 2015-04-22T02:12:32 < scummos> yeah but I guess they still have some success 2015-04-22T02:12:37 < kakimir> maybe your server is more priorized target 2015-04-22T02:12:56 < scummos> I guess not, it doesn't really run anything except my personal email 2015-04-22T02:13:14 < kakimir> finding password for root? there is no root in this system 2015-04-22T02:13:24 < kakimir> I hope 2015-04-22T02:13:37 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-22T02:13:41 < kakimir> sudoers clan 2015-04-22T02:13:49 < scummos> you can remove the root user without breaking everything? ;P 2015-04-22T02:13:57 < scummos> dunno, in any case you can just disable root login in sshd.conf 2015-04-22T02:14:08 < kakimir> at least there should not be password for root :/ 2015-04-22T02:14:13 < scummos> or that 2015-04-22T02:14:22 < kakimir> idk 2015-04-22T02:14:31 < scummos> well, I have a password for root and I also have root login enabled and I always log in as root 2015-04-22T02:14:37 < scummos> but password auth is off 2015-04-22T02:14:54 < kakimir> well I have root access disabled from ssh 2015-04-22T02:15:03 < scummos> ok then 2015-04-22T02:15:32 < kakimir> they need to find my login name and try then 2015-04-22T02:16:42 < scummos> probably good enough. but it's one of the few things you can at least configure to be basically unbreakable if everything works right, so I use that opportunity ;p 2015-04-22T02:19:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-22T02:19:39 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-22T02:23:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T02:25:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-22T02:27:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T02:28:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-22T02:31:24 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-22T02:32:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-22T02:34:03 < karlp> heh, 16bit pid space not big enough, thanks samsung: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/4/21/413 2015-04-22T02:35:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T02:35:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-22T02:35:23 < zyp> haha 2015-04-22T02:39:01 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-22T02:42:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T02:44:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-22T02:44:58 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-22T02:45:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-22T02:46:14 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T02:47:51 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-22T02:49:07 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T02:52:18 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-22T03:22:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-22T03:50:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T03:57:51 < dongs> lol, zano posted a "flying" video 2015-04-22T04:00:39 < kakimir> virtual flight? 2015-04-22T04:11:09 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDaoU30UsOw 2015-04-22T04:11:23 < dongs> wiht obstacle avoidance even omg 2015-04-22T04:11:24 < dongs> they're so pro 2015-04-22T04:11:28 < dongs> 2 minute sflight time, cool 2015-04-22T04:13:51 < kakimir> horrible sound 2015-04-22T04:14:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T04:14:31 < kakimir> like attack of tens of thousands of bees 2015-04-22T04:15:44 < dongs> thats what happens when you have props spinning at like 10k rpm 2015-04-22T04:16:03 < kakimir> they should do some honeycomb pcb with kevlar surfaces 2015-04-22T04:18:36 < kakimir> wait, integrate components inside honeycomb 2015-04-22T04:20:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T04:23:02 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T04:23:12 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-22T04:24:54 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-22T04:25:01 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T04:28:02 < Lux> seems like zano hit the 10% done mark 2015-04-22T04:29:26 < dongs> still only 2 minutes flight time tho 2015-04-22T04:29:40 < dongs> and that sonar althold looks worse than naze 2015-04-22T04:29:51 < Lux> is that really sonar ? 2015-04-22T04:29:56 < dongs> apparently 2015-04-22T04:30:00 < Lux> i bet it works better on naze =) 2015-04-22T04:30:04 < dongs> the bottom facing shit is sonar 2015-04-22T04:30:27 < Lux> the new bepop does amaze althold, like 1cm 2015-04-22T04:30:40 < dongs> iasnt it also like $1.2k 2015-04-22T04:30:57 < Lux> 500$ without the special remote 2015-04-22T04:31:08 < Lux> 900$ with it 2015-04-22T04:32:08 < dongs> i was just linked some jap scamshop selling and it was aroudn 1.2k, i didnt care enough to research further 2015-04-22T04:32:33 < Lux> still far to expensive for what you get 2015-04-22T04:32:47 < Lux> especially with that half working wifi 2015-04-22T04:35:12 < PeterM> whats up with the exksbawks controller down the bottom? does zango play ecksbawks nao? 2015-04-22T04:36:25 < zyp> that vid doesn't make sense 2015-04-22T04:37:04 < dongs> not much posted by zano makes sense 2015-04-22T04:48:20 < dongs> R2COM: super hard to tell with shitty vidoe 2015-04-22T04:48:31 < dongs> doesnt look very autonoumous, it wobbles all over the place 2015-04-22T04:52:29 < dongs> and that 2 minute flight time 2015-04-22T04:52:46 < dongs> anyway, none of this is hard 2015-04-22T04:52:55 < dongs> quads used IR stuff for stabilization/shit in like 2000 2015-04-22T05:24:35 < englishman> dongs: i saw some azns at local park flying bebop 2015-04-22T05:24:44 < englishman> some dad yelling at his kid not to smash it 2015-04-22T05:24:47 < englishman> such hover very amaze wow 2015-04-22T05:32:34 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T05:42:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-22T05:44:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T05:58:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-22T06:01:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T06:02:48 < PeterM> if the distributor is decent they shlould take it for warrenty for you even if it has to be sent to rigol 2015-04-22T06:06:39 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 2015-04-22T06:13:32 < PeterM> dunno, not from the 'unided states of murca' 2015-04-22T06:17:19 < PeterM> is it? i dont buy shit from them 2015-04-22T06:17:31 < PeterM> internatiponal ship[ping kills any "deal" 2015-04-22T06:19:19 < PeterM> dunno bout that, shipping frm USA -> Australia is canola 2015-04-22T06:19:31 < dongs> 12:10 < R2COM> someone = marshallh lol 2015-04-22T06:19:35 < dongs> he's a doge stoner 2015-04-22T06:19:40 < dongs> wouldn't take too much shit he says seriosuly 2015-04-22T06:20:21 < PeterM> if they take papal he probably has 2015-04-22T06:21:02 < dongs> never heard of them 2015-04-22T06:26:58 < dongs> papal 2015-04-22T06:43:44 < englishman> im not a eevblog member but they gave me the disbout 2015-04-22T06:43:47 < englishman> its 6% 2015-04-22T06:43:57 < englishman> and the company is ok i guess 2015-04-22T06:44:17 < englishman> id prefer to deal with them than rigol probably 2015-04-22T06:45:51 < englishman> lol 2015-04-22T06:46:01 < englishman> they took like a week to ship my shit 2015-04-22T06:46:07 < englishman> i livechatted them twice 2015-04-22T06:46:18 < dongs> better than a month that china took 2015-04-22T06:46:28 < PeterM> englishman, did you ask for shoe on head? 2015-04-22T06:46:30 < englishman> whats taht in reference to? 2015-04-22T06:46:42 < dongs> duno i bought riglol power supply from ebay 2015-04-22T06:46:43 < englishman> its not video chat 2015-04-22T06:46:45 < dongs> wiht fedex shipping 2015-04-22T06:46:46 < englishman> :( 2015-04-22T06:46:50 < dongs> like last year 2015-04-22T06:46:50 < englishman> heh 2015-04-22T06:46:56 < englishman> 3A is so lame 2015-04-22T06:46:57 < dongs> it came by EMS a month later 2015-04-22T06:46:58 < englishman> for $500 2015-04-22T06:46:59 < dongs> yeah it is 2015-04-22T06:47:04 < PeterM> englishman, fair nuf 2015-04-22T06:47:11 < dongs> but: pretty and paypal 2015-04-22T06:47:17 < dongs> and multioutputs is useful 2015-04-22T06:47:29 < englishman> i got a new ruler http://i.imgur.com/BmsYtdS.jpg 2015-04-22T06:47:52 < englishman> not for the price 2015-04-22T06:48:05 < englishman> of dp832 2015-04-22T06:48:06 < PeterM> R2COM, dio yu want linear or is smps fine? 2015-04-22T06:48:24 < dongs> my biggest complaint about it is 3A limit for *all* voltage ranges 2015-04-22T06:48:28 < PeterM> ahhh 2015-04-22T06:48:37 < PeterM> yeah, not much choise then 2015-04-22T06:48:52 < dongs> i dont see why it can do 30V@3A but cannot do 5V/18A 2015-04-22T06:48:53 < PeterM> dongs, it's a linear, whaddya expect 2015-04-22T06:48:56 < dongs> is it? 2015-04-22T06:48:59 < englishman> i have ebay 36v 5a power supply for $100 2015-04-22T06:49:00 < PeterM> yers 2015-04-22T06:49:02 < englishman> with nice interface 2015-04-22T06:49:04 < englishman> could get 5 of those 2015-04-22T06:49:21 < dongs> hokay 2015-04-22T06:49:24 < englishman> :) 2015-04-22T06:49:34 < dongs> o well, for 60V/30A i have the wwii supply 2015-04-22T06:49:42 < dongs> that dims lights when I power it up 2015-04-22T06:50:23 < englishman> dp832 you can hax unlock all features too 2015-04-22T06:50:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/J0MuFjL.jpg 2015-04-22T06:50:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Byfxtaf.jpg 2015-04-22T06:51:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-22T06:51:31 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T06:51:35 < dongs> i regret haxing highrez measuring into mine 2015-04-22T06:51:35 < PeterM> R2COM, cd key gen 2015-04-22T06:51:45 < PeterM> like 1999 2015-04-22T06:51:47 < dongs> the accuracy is useless 2015-04-22T06:52:14 < dongs> i dont wanna see that its outputting 5.0001 volts 2015-04-22T06:52:33 < dongs> 5.00 is fine 2015-04-22T06:53:01 < englishman> is it even that precise 2015-04-22T06:53:16 < englishman> no, youre haxing it not buying it 2015-04-22T06:54:37 < PeterM> nah for opamps and shit you just need low noise 2015-04-22T06:55:40 < englishman> then why look at $500 psu 2015-04-22T06:55:57 < PeterM> if your tuning bias, currents are low, jsut use low noise pot + multimeter 2015-04-22T06:56:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T06:56:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-142-96-127.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-22T06:56:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T07:25:50 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111625120317 this thing is massive 2015-04-22T07:28:19 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@191.17.41.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-22T07:31:43 < englishman> whoa 2015-04-22T07:32:24 < dongs> R2COM: email to lame sent a week ago 2015-04-22T07:32:26 < dongs> still no response 2015-04-22T07:32:29 < dongs> about G85 slots 2015-04-22T07:32:32 < dongs> amazing customer service 2015-04-22T07:32:35 < dongs> he can go fuck hiimself 2015-04-22T07:32:55 < ReadError> dongs its on their site 2015-04-22T07:33:21 < ReadError> http://support.oshpark.com/support/solutions/articles/134889-internal-cutouts-and-slots 2015-04-22T07:33:32 < dongs> it isnt motherfucker 2015-04-22T07:33:42 < dongs> ctrl+f for g85: NOT FOUND 2015-04-22T07:33:42 < ReadError> but small slots, came out as holes 2015-04-22T07:33:50 < ReadError> fwiw 2015-04-22T07:34:02 < englishman> i know this happens 2015-04-22T07:34:06 < englishman> due to usb pattern 2015-04-22T07:34:11 < englishman> fucking oshpark 2015-04-22T07:34:43 < englishman> dongs he officially doesnt support plated slots 2015-04-22T07:34:53 < englishman> but you can make it happen if you do some specific bullshit or something 2015-04-22T07:35:15 < englishman> like do the slot on keepout layer and drill hit inside it 2015-04-22T07:35:51 < englishman> ^ 2015-04-22T07:36:17 < ReadError> dongs did you submit a support ticket? 2015-04-22T07:36:22 < ReadError> they always got back to me fast 2015-04-22T07:36:22 < englishman> Not Supported: Plated slots (larger than 40 mil) 2015-04-22T07:36:24 < englishman> right on that page 2015-04-22T07:36:53 < dongs> just got reply email back after bumping it. 2015-04-22T07:36:56 < dongs> no G85 2015-04-22T07:37:00 < dongs> fuckem 2015-04-22T07:37:03 < dongs> will take my business elsewhere 2015-04-22T07:37:12 < englishman> upload your eagle files somewhere else 2015-04-22T07:38:03 < ReadError> eh its good for what it is 2015-04-22T07:38:17 < ReadError> protos n trash 2015-04-22T07:39:19 < ReadError> englishman 2015-04-22T07:39:20 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/6xrXoyE.png 2015-04-22T07:39:24 < ReadError> cacks sent me this?? 2015-04-22T07:39:34 < englishman> he should lay off the blow 2015-04-22T07:39:47 < dongs> Officially, no, but the fab does them. Look at the "Plated slots" section of that document to find a method that usually works. 2015-04-22T07:39:50 < dongs> Also, the document claims that overlapping drill hits doesn't work and are removed by the fab, but it actually does work if you can't do the other way. 2015-04-22T07:39:53 < ReadError> tim is making him use eagle tehehehe 2015-04-22T07:39:58 < englishman> dongs: lies 2015-04-22T07:40:01 < englishman> i did this 2015-04-22T07:40:04 < englishman> it didnt work 2015-04-22T07:40:09 < englishman> whats his face resent 2015-04-22T07:40:14 < englishman> like 2 months to get working boards 2015-04-22T07:40:31 < dongs> lol @ cleanflight 2015-04-22T07:40:31 < PeterM> dongs, did you use the ame dongs on the support ticket so they knew you meant bussiness? 2015-04-22T07:40:37 < dongs> PeterM: yes 2015-04-22T07:40:42 < dongs> 'dongie' actually. 2015-04-22T07:40:44 < dongs> for more kawaii 2015-04-22T07:41:00 < PeterM> damn, i dunno whtaelkse you coulkd sya *shrugs* 2015-04-22T07:41:03 < englishman> am i still banned from pro-iran channel 2015-04-22T07:41:06 < PeterM> what else 2015-04-22T07:41:43 < PeterM> fuck it im buying this nerw kayboard 2015-04-22T07:41:53 < dongs> k dickplace loaded time to start 2015-04-22T07:42:37 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T07:42:55 < PeterM> 3 2015-04-22T07:42:56 < PeterM> 2 2015-04-22T07:42:57 < PeterM> 1 2015-04-22T07:43:00 < PeterM> innovate! 2015-04-22T07:45:38 < emeb_mac> in-not-vate 2015-04-22T07:47:12 < englishman> new video games look fun http://i.imgur.com/0N8MO43.gif 2015-04-22T07:47:19 < PeterM> innovladimir 2015-04-22T07:48:12 -!- Brozo [~Brozo@174-31-137-190.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 2015-04-22T07:59:49 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-67-188-127-70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-22T08:13:11 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-22T08:22:53 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-22T08:25:13 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T08:26:53 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T08:33:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-22T08:37:58 < ReadError> dongs http://ajw.asahi.com/article/business/AJ201504210048 2015-04-22T08:38:01 < ReadError> #japthings 2015-04-22T08:47:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.104] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T08:53:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T09:09:37 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T09:38:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T09:39:56 < dongs> at high mhz and high Vin efficiency goes to shit right? 2015-04-22T09:40:01 < dongs> (buck converter) 2015-04-22T09:40:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T09:40:47 < emeb_mac> depends on how lossy your switches are 2015-04-22T09:45:41 < PeterM> the higher the freq the lwer efficiency because you have more switching sycles meaning more gate charge/.discharge and mroe time spent in the linear and ohmic regions 2015-04-22T09:46:43 < PeterM> higher Vin means worse efficiency too because the regulator/controllers internal LDO to run the switchign logic etc, also the more losses in your inductor 2015-04-22T09:47:03 < dongs> ah 2015-04-22T09:47:05 < dongs> right 2015-04-22T09:47:19 < dongs> hm finally ordering some more NCP1532. the few 100 i bought from mouser is running out 2015-04-22T09:48:03 < dongs> i guess they also dont make any HV stuff in small packages 2015-04-22T09:48:24 < dongs> trying to make like 32V > 5V stepdown in the space of SO-8 2015-04-22T09:48:50 < dongs> wlcsp all teh things 2015-04-22T09:48:54 < PeterM> how much current? 2015-04-22T09:49:06 < dongs> < 1A 2015-04-22T09:49:17 < dongs> good luck, right 2015-04-22T09:49:24 < PeterM> is 32v real or max? 2015-04-22T09:49:35 < dongs> around 32 2015-04-22T09:49:38 < dongs> usauly probly 24 2015-04-22T09:50:30 < PeterM> you might be able to do it 2015-04-22T09:55:55 < PeterM> im looking into it 2015-04-22T10:02:58 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-22T10:05:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-22T10:10:59 < PeterM> how slose to 1A? like >500ma<800ma? 2015-04-22T10:12:28 < PeterM> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/isl8/isl85410.pdf or http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADP2441.pdf might do 2015-04-22T10:13:58 < PeterM> do note you may have a heartettack on reading price 2015-04-22T10:15:53 < dongs> ooo 2015-04-22T10:15:55 < dongs> isl part looks nice 2015-04-22T10:18:08 < dongs> actually both are nice 2015-04-22T10:19:19 < PeterM> if they dont deliver enough juice, you can use https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/FD/FDMC8030.pdf + http://www.micrel.com/_PDF/MIC2101_02.pdf 2015-04-22T10:19:38 < dongs> wow, chiangirl has 2441 2015-04-22T10:19:56 < PeterM> how much? $5 ea? 2015-04-22T10:20:00 < dongs> finding out 2015-04-22T10:20:12 < dongs> much parts @ micrel 2015-04-22T10:20:50 < PeterM> yeah micro is much parts but if your integrated switch regulator can't provide your juice what choice do you have? 2015-04-22T10:20:56 < PeterM> micrel even 2015-04-22T10:21:05 < dongs> PeterM: 2.50/ea for samples 2015-04-22T10:21:13 < PeterM> wow, thats pretty good 2015-04-22T10:22:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-22T10:22:32 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@180-150-98-89.cust.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:22:45 < dongs> how much is that shit @ digidong 2015-04-22T10:22:46 < dongs> checking 2015-04-22T10:22:52 < dongs> ah not bad 2015-04-22T10:22:54 < dongs> so its reel price basically 2015-04-22T10:22:57 < dongs> -ish 2015-04-22T10:23:06 < PeterM> yeah 2015-04-22T10:23:20 < dongs> it must be acutally used in places 2015-04-22T10:23:22 < dongs> since china has stock 2015-04-22T10:23:33 < dongs> and no diode 2015-04-22T10:23:34 < dongs> this is lovely 2015-04-22T10:23:37 < PeterM> mmhm 2015-04-22T10:23:59 < dongs> much efficient at high load too 2015-04-22T10:24:16 < PeterM> still, 1A, 5V 80% is still 1W heat 2015-04-22T10:24:40 < dongs> where is it going to go? 2015-04-22T10:24:45 < PeterM> for a 3x3 that shits gonna get hot 2015-04-22T10:25:01 < PeterM> has exposed thermal pad 2015-04-22T10:25:11 < PeterM> you best be via + ground planethat shit bro 2015-04-22T10:25:22 < dongs> yuh 2015-04-22T10:25:31 < PeterM> otherwise shit is gonna roast 2015-04-22T10:35:03 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:37:01 < dongs> dam txb0402 is retarded package 2015-04-22T10:37:18 < dongs> yeah its actualyl 0.4mm pitch ugh 2015-04-22T10:38:09 < dongs> er txb0104 2015-04-22T10:38:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-22T10:38:59 < dongs> i got the 27mhz shits here 2015-04-22T10:39:03 < dongs> will know soon how good they work @ 1.8V 2015-04-22T10:39:08 < dongs> about to dicknplace 2015-04-22T10:40:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:48:50 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:50:13 < dongs> k adp samples on teh way will see how bad they suck 2015-04-22T10:51:08 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:53:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-22T10:54:14 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-04-22T10:54:14 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-04-22T10:54:24 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-22T10:54:50 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:55:05 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T10:58:13 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T11:01:27 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T11:07:02 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@200-148-9-88.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T11:08:24 < ReadError> woh 2015-04-22T11:08:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@153.109.1.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-22T11:09:06 < akaWolf> jpa-: hiew analog for linux? 2015-04-22T11:13:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/O4oG1RQ.jpg 2015-04-22T11:13:21 < dongs> god damn that is awesome 2015-04-22T11:16:02 < akaWolf> dongs: amazing. 2015-04-22T11:19:51 < dongs> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KCJ7YZfGzEU/VIRpfJ8IifI/AAAAAAAABW4/e15RsHRsdHs/s1600/fitboagh.jpg more of same 2015-04-22T11:23:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-104-204.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-22T11:26:19 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-04-22T11:26:34 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T11:32:11 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-22T11:33:55 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T11:36:58 < dongs> 27MHz thing looks OK 2015-04-22T11:37:53 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-40-230.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T11:40:24 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-22T11:40:31 < dongs> had my s cope in 20mhz bw limited mode before from some analog dicking earlier and was wondering why it was a sinewave 2015-04-22T11:55:19 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:01:20 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:04:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-22T12:20:43 < ReadError> dongs your fav person is in a movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4047350/ 2015-04-22T12:20:46 < ReadError> weev 2015-04-22T12:21:28 < ReadError> Jaime 'asshurtmacfags' Cochran ...Self 2015-04-22T12:21:29 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-22T12:23:49 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-22T12:26:26 -!- caspinol [~caspinol@remote.airspeed.ie] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:31:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:33:03 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:33:03 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-22T12:33:03 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:33:55 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-04-22T12:33:55 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2015-04-22T12:34:26 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:34:41 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:39:39 < Laurenceb__> lol sounds lame 2015-04-22T12:39:46 < Laurenceb__> but the answer is obviously weev 2015-04-22T12:40:55 < malinus> ReadError: is that a epic movie? 2015-04-22T12:41:23 < ReadError> i duno lol 2015-04-22T12:41:28 < ReadError> i just crosstweeted it 2015-04-22T12:41:48 < ReadError> I might watch it sometime just for funs 2015-04-22T12:42:00 < Laurenceb__> epically lame movie 2015-04-22T12:42:09 < Laurenceb__> 2 hours of people trolling on irc i bet 2015-04-22T12:42:32 < Laurenceb__> see you should watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799949/ 2015-04-22T12:43:26 < Laurenceb__> lol 2% http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/epic_movie/ 2015-04-22T12:45:09 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T12:51:38 < PeterM> [19:41] I might watch it sometime just for funs 2015-04-22T12:51:43 < PeterM> [19:42] 2 hours of people trolling on irc i bet 2015-04-22T12:51:50 < PeterM> [19:41] epically lame movie 2015-04-22T12:52:05 < PeterM> how does this at all change from what you currently do? 2015-04-22T12:52:11 < ReadError> ^ 2015-04-22T12:52:19 < Laurenceb__> it doesnt thats the point 2015-04-22T12:52:33 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-22T12:53:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-22T12:59:39 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T13:02:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-22T13:03:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T13:03:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CFgADWt.png limit mask stuff on scope is pretty neat 2015-04-22T13:04:41 < dongs> can tell where shit is changing between different packets 2015-04-22T13:05:29 < dongs> changed some address bits and can see where they are 2015-04-22T13:08:02 * Laurenceb__ is getting very confused by eps files 2015-04-22T13:08:34 < Laurenceb__> anyone want to look at some graphics for me and tell me if they think its got an embedded jpeg? 2015-04-22T13:09:24 < Laurenceb__> http://filebin.ca/1zCFFcKZsNfI/Vibration_speed_stats_edit.eps 2015-04-22T13:12:36 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-04-22T13:12:43 < Laurenceb__> ocular reader says its vector 2015-04-22T13:12:54 < Laurenceb__> but inkscape converts to jpeg when i open 2015-04-22T13:12:56 < Laurenceb__> RAGE 2015-04-22T13:13:58 < dongs> Laurenceb__: its all vector 2015-04-22T13:14:01 < dongs> what format do you need it in 2015-04-22T13:14:02 < dongs> lol 2015-04-22T13:14:37 < Laurenceb__> vector format 2015-04-22T13:14:55 < Laurenceb__> i want to change some colours so it can be printed in black and white 2015-04-22T13:15:14 < dongs> wait 2015-04-22T13:15:17 < dongs> there's an iamge tehre 2015-04-22T13:15:19 < ReadError> dongs do you use some package tracker site/app ? 2015-04-22T13:15:42 < dongs> teh fuck is package tracker 2015-04-22T13:15:46 < dongs> lunix packages?? 2015-04-22T13:16:14 < ReadError> no like, mail 2015-04-22T13:16:21 < dongs> huh no 2015-04-22T13:16:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T13:16:24 < dongs> i just have japanpost boomarked. 2015-04-22T13:16:32 < dongs> Laurenceb__: the huge pink graph is JPEG 2015-04-22T13:16:41 < Laurenceb__> ah 2015-04-22T13:16:47 < Laurenceb__> rage 2015-04-22T13:16:56 < Laurenceb__> going to have to start again from scratch 2015-04-22T13:17:12 < dongs> not really 2015-04-22T13:17:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/STAL2bZ.png 2015-04-22T13:17:15 < dongs> its like this 2015-04-22T13:17:31 < dongs> if you can figure out how to fill the stuff again 2015-04-22T13:17:37 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-22T13:17:39 < dongs> then you can do vector without 2015-04-22T13:17:40 < Laurenceb__> too much trouble 2015-04-22T13:17:43 < dongs> mkay 2015-04-22T13:17:46 < Laurenceb__> back to gnuplot 2015-04-22T13:17:48 < Laurenceb__> thanks 2015-04-22T13:17:51 < dongs> nigplot 2015-04-22T13:23:45 < karlp> that limit mask looks neat dongs 2015-04-22T13:27:34 < dongs> i think riglol has it too 2015-04-22T13:27:55 < dongs> or maybe not 2015-04-22T13:28:12 < dongs> anyway, its handy to quickly figure out fields 2015-04-22T13:28:35 < dongs> i can set it up, then send something like address 0..255 and it'll draw yellow fuzzies exactly around the bits in question 2015-04-22T13:31:02 < dongs> http://www.manualslib.com/manual/498179/Rigol-Ds1000ca-Series.html?page=131 ah it does 2015-04-22T13:32:46 < karlp> yeah, don't think that's in my old riglogl 2015-04-22T13:33:18 < dongs> teh new ones arent awful 2015-04-22T13:33:31 < dongs> they stole a bunch of stuff from tek/agilent 2015-04-22T13:33:46 < dongs> UI-wise anyway 2015-04-22T13:33:49 < ReadError> im pretty happy with my rigol, for the price it wokrs well enough 2015-04-22T13:33:54 < ReadError> UI is easy 2015-04-22T13:34:56 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-22T13:38:21 < _Sync_> Laurenceb__: wtshit is that graph about? 2015-04-22T13:38:23 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-22T13:39:10 < Laurenceb__> _sync_: vehicle vibration and driver exposure 2015-04-22T13:39:26 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T13:41:35 < _Sync_> hmm 2015-04-22T13:41:47 < _Sync_> reminds me of my chassis dynamics class 2015-04-22T13:43:31 < Laurenceb__> vehicle chassis? 2015-04-22T13:43:38 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-22T13:43:38 < dongs> blogger dynamics 2015-04-22T13:43:48 < Laurenceb__> sounds interesting 2015-04-22T13:44:04 < _Sync_> where the lecturer went to claim that you cannot drive a car without abs and esp because that would be unsafe 2015-04-22T13:44:11 < Laurenceb__> heh 2015-04-22T13:44:13 < _Sync_> nearly had to leave right there 2015-04-22T13:44:48 < _Sync_> well basically it was all basic stuff 2015-04-22T13:45:00 < _Sync_> most of the lecture dealt with noise coupling into the drivers compartment 2015-04-22T13:45:05 < _Sync_> which is super boring 2015-04-22T13:45:11 < Laurenceb__> heh 2015-04-22T13:45:16 < _Sync_> if you want to know shit about chassis dynamics 2015-04-22T13:50:39 < _Sync_> and basically the takeaways were, hurr softer sidewalls, hurr, magnetic suspension and softer bushings 2015-04-22T13:50:48 < Laurenceb__> heh# 2015-04-22T13:50:52 < _Sync_> and wooohoo stiffness engineered chassis 2015-04-22T13:50:59 < _Sync_> magic. 2015-04-22T13:51:12 < _Sync_> but nothing that'd really help you 2015-04-22T13:51:24 < _Sync_> especially if you are trying to get more performance out of a chassis 2015-04-22T13:53:02 < BrainDamage> reading forhead vibrations made me think of: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/jaden-smith-forehead-meme.jpg 2015-04-22T13:55:15 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T13:58:21 < dongs> zyp: im gonna get some 2520 crystals sent to you i guess 2015-04-22T13:58:26 < PeterM> esp? extra sensory perception? 2015-04-22T14:00:48 < Laurenceb__> lol 2015-04-22T14:00:52 < _Sync_> electronic stability program 2015-04-22T14:01:12 < _Sync_> also called "we did not want to spend as much money to develop the chassis dynamics" 2015-04-22T14:04:48 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyiqbnvqbwmeqvop] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-22T14:06:47 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T14:12:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T14:13:49 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32409253 2015-04-22T14:13:54 < Laurenceb__> lolling hard 2015-04-22T14:14:07 < Laurenceb__> "he apparently shot himself by accident" 2015-04-22T14:25:54 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-22T14:35:28 < dongs> bbc is giving me error 500 2015-04-22T14:35:33 < dongs> some lunix coder fucked up 2015-04-22T14:37:05 < superbia> http://forums.oce.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3095 2015-04-22T14:48:10 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYRydundnt8 2015-04-22T15:01:58 < dongs> any way to setup scope to trigger x times 2015-04-22T15:02:19 < dongs> ah maybe sequence trigger 2015-04-22T15:30:05 < mervaka> sup 2015-04-22T15:30:34 < mervaka> anyone familiar with usb flow control here? 2015-04-22T15:31:45 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@180-150-98-89.cust.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-22T15:35:18 < dongs> i bet zyp is 2015-04-22T15:35:38 < dongs> hes familiar with shit people who wrote usb spec arent familiar wiht 2015-04-22T15:36:52 < mervaka> hmmm 2015-04-22T15:37:09 < mervaka> well for benefit of when he reads this: 2015-04-22T15:37:40 < mervaka> I'm having problems NAKing shit being thrown at a USB MIDI bulk endpoint 2015-04-22T15:38:22 < mervaka> i'm trying to just NAK everything, but every packet send eventually gets validated somehow 2015-04-22T15:39:03 < ColdKeyboard> Could someone give me a hand with my makefile for STM32F103C8 -> http://pastebin.com/2N14LCSe 2015-04-22T15:39:12 < ColdKeyboard> I get errors like C:\Users\Sale\AppData\Local\Temp\ccvqgLKw.s:488: Error: registers may not be the same -- `strexb r0,r0,[r1]' when I try to compile 2015-04-22T15:44:42 < dongs> makefile giving you assembly errors? niiice 2015-04-22T15:45:25 < dongs> gnu/buttlix 2015-04-22T15:48:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T15:52:41 < ColdKeyboard> Helpful comments... as always 2015-04-22T15:53:38 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@200-148-9-88.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: :3] 2015-04-22T15:55:57 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@200-148-9-88.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T15:59:07 < karlp> looks like grue/windows to mee dongs 2015-04-22T15:59:32 < karlp> ColdKeyboard: that soundsd like you have an out of date cmsis lib 2015-04-22T15:59:53 < ColdKeyboard> I downloaded it 2 days ago from STM website... :\ 2015-04-22T16:00:01 < ColdKeyboard> I found the fix on this website http://www.atollic.com/index.php/kb/1-kb_building/117-kb_error_in_strexb 2015-04-22T16:00:32 < karlp> yeah, but you have two stdperiph libs in your makefile... 2015-04-22T16:00:52 < karlp> the fact that atollic's fix is for the old one should remind you that you have an old one. 2015-04-22T16:02:06 < karlp> stop making both hex and bin output all the time, you probably don't need either, and you definitely don't need both 2015-04-22T16:03:33 < ColdKeyboard> I commented line for .bin now 2015-04-22T16:03:46 < ColdKeyboard> I don't see any newer libraries than 3.5.0 on STM website :\ 2015-04-22T16:05:23 < mervaka> void EP3_OUT_Callback( void ) { //PMAToUserBufferCopy((u8 *)USBRxBuffer, ENDP3_RXBufAddr, GetEPRxCount(ENDP3)); SetEPRxStatus(ENDP3, EP_RX_NAK); 2015-04-22T16:05:26 < mervaka> } 2015-04-22T16:05:30 < mervaka> surely that should just NAK everything? 2015-04-22T16:10:53 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/uek6B0i << got sheilds?:D 2015-04-22T16:18:57 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: Could you take a look at this error please -> http://pastebin.com/rBHhfjJz 2015-04-22T16:18:58 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-40-230.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2015-04-22T16:19:50 < zyp> dongs, that would be nice 2015-04-22T16:25:34 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-40-230.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T16:29:38 < karlp> ColdKeyboard: don't use ld to link, use gcc, also, that doesn't show the command line that you used, it's only showing the error 2015-04-22T16:30:12 < ColdKeyboard> How can I change that? I'm using this makefile http://pastie.org/10107416 2015-04-22T16:30:54 < zyp> mervaka, what do you mean, NAKing shit? 2015-04-22T16:31:32 < zyp> mervaka, are you receiving this data? 2015-04-22T16:32:50 < karlp> ColdKeyboard: I think you need a space after the -W gc sections, and before the -T$(LDSCRIPT) 2015-04-22T16:33:05 < karlp> and no comma 2015-04-22T16:33:57 < zyp> mervaka, the NAK/ACK/STALL handshake is performed by the usb peripheral as it receives the data, the peripheral needs to know in advance which handshake to reply 2015-04-22T16:33:57 < mervaka> zyp: yeah, an OUT endpoint so PC to device 2015-04-22T16:34:05 < mervaka> oh 2015-04-22T16:34:21 < zyp> you can't receive a packet and then NAK it 2015-04-22T16:34:42 < mervaka> i thought i read the reference manual differently, but that may explain it 2015-04-22T16:34:58 < zyp> what are you trying to do? 2015-04-22T16:35:07 < mervaka> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/CD00171190.pdf, p621 2015-04-22T16:35:16 < mervaka> receiving USB MIDI data 2015-04-22T16:36:33 < mervaka> " After the received data is processed, the application software should set the 2015-04-22T16:36:33 < mervaka> STAT_RX bits to .11 (Valid) in the USB_EPnR, enabling further transactions. While the 2015-04-22T16:36:36 < mervaka> STAT_RX bits are equal to .10 (NAK), any OUT request addressed to that endpoint is 2015-04-22T16:36:37 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: Now it's throwing errors "no such file or directory" :\ 2015-04-22T16:36:39 < mervaka> NAKed, indicating a flow control condition: the USB host will retry the transaction until it 2015-04-22T16:36:42 < mervaka> succeeds" 2015-04-22T16:36:42 < mervaka> er, that didn't paste well :( 2015-04-22T16:36:47 < mervaka> sorry 2015-04-22T16:37:12 < zyp> ah 2015-04-22T16:37:25 < zyp> STAT_RX controls reception of the next token 2015-04-22T16:37:33 < karlp> ColdKeyboard: so, make sure the file exists... 2015-04-22T16:37:55 < mervaka> i see, so the current one would still be ACKed? 2015-04-22T16:38:07 < zyp> you set it back to valid once you're done processing the packet you just received, when you're ready to receive the next packet 2015-04-22T16:38:15 < mervaka> i see 2015-04-22T16:38:21 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: It throws error that main.c and main.o don't exist... main.c is right there in the main dir :\ 2015-04-22T16:38:24 < mervaka> that makes a lot more sense. 2015-04-22T16:38:28 < zyp> yes, the current one was already ACKed before you got notified about it 2015-04-22T16:38:45 < mervaka> so i need to set the status to NAK the second my buffers are full 2015-04-22T16:38:58 < zyp> no, that happens automatically when a packet is received 2015-04-22T16:39:08 < mervaka> oh ok cool 2015-04-22T16:39:16 < zyp> you just need to set it back to valid once you're ready to handle more 2015-04-22T16:39:29 < zyp> i.e. whenever you've read the data out of the usb packet buffer 2015-04-22T16:39:40 < mervaka> yeah 2015-04-22T16:39:46 < emeb> fun with USB MIDI 2015-04-22T16:40:04 < mervaka> so i could blindly do that at the read end of the usb rx buffer 2015-04-22T16:40:09 < mervaka> indeed emeb 2015-04-22T16:40:21 < mervaka> been a while since i've been active on irc :) 2015-04-22T16:40:25 < zyp> mervaka, check this: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/f1_usb.h 2015-04-22T16:40:28 < zyp> it's a bit messy 2015-04-22T16:40:42 < emeb> mervaka: how goes? still at $MIXERCORP? 2015-04-22T16:40:55 < zyp> line 117 calls the OUT handler callback, which is expected to read the data it needs 2015-04-22T16:41:18 < zyp> then after the callback returns, the buffer content is considered freed up, and line 123 sets the endpoint back to valid 2015-04-22T16:42:26 < zyp> the API is a bit dumb, but it works 2015-04-22T16:42:40 < zyp> today I'd make a transfer oriented API instead 2015-04-22T16:42:57 < mervaka> emeb: all good, nearly two years in now :) 2015-04-22T16:43:16 < emeb> mervaka: must be doing something right 2015-04-22T16:43:53 < mervaka> currently tidying up a fuckton of legacy code that blindly accepts all incoming data :( 2015-04-22T16:44:04 < mervaka> except i know FA about USB 2015-04-22T16:44:22 < emeb> get paid to learn. bonus. 2015-04-22T16:44:25 < mervaka> indeed 2015-04-22T16:44:41 < zyp> emeb, isn't that essentially what having a job is? 2015-04-22T16:44:57 < emeb> zyp: ideally. 2015-04-22T16:45:01 < mervaka> zyp: what if handle_out can't process its data? 2015-04-22T16:45:09 < emeb> not so much if you're a short-order cook I'd imagine. 2015-04-22T16:45:41 < zyp> mervaka, then the endpoint should have been paused earlier 2015-04-22T16:45:48 < mervaka> i see 2015-04-22T16:45:55 < zyp> but yeah, that's the dumb part of this API 2015-04-22T16:46:24 < mervaka> so basically i need to ACK stuff when i read out the other end of the buffer 2015-04-22T16:47:27 < zyp> for a transfer oriented API, you'd pass in a buffer when scheduling a transfer, usb stack automatically copies data from usb buffer to user buffer and ACKs endpoint until it's full or done, then returns buffer to user 2015-04-22T16:47:52 < zyp> that way, the endpoint would only be set to valid whenever a user buffer is ready to handle it 2015-04-22T16:48:07 < zyp> and the user code don't need to worry about individual packets in a transfer 2015-04-22T16:48:26 < zyp> this is similar to how the libusb api work on host side 2015-04-22T16:48:54 < zyp> I'm planning to rework my usb code to work in this way 2015-04-22T16:49:17 < mervaka> it's not quite transfer orientated at the moment though :/ 2015-04-22T16:49:24 < emeb> so the client code doesn't need to know about ACKs at all 2015-04-22T16:49:29 < zyp> I weren't very familiar with usb when I started on my stack, so writing it was quite a learning experience 2015-04-22T16:50:02 < zyp> so it's only natural that I did things I wouldn't do today ;) 2015-04-22T16:50:09 < mervaka> i call a function that parses the four byte packet, and only conditionally adds it to the buffer anyway 2015-04-22T16:50:46 < emeb> don't forget that there can be multiple 4-byte pkts in a buffer 2015-04-22T16:50:46 < mervaka> in fact i think it separates sysex messages 2015-04-22T16:50:59 < mervaka> well the buffer's only 4 bytes long 2015-04-22T16:51:23 < emeb> I mean a 64-byte USB message 2015-04-22T16:51:41 < mervaka> yeah, but i put in the descriptor that it's only 4 bytes long 2015-04-22T16:51:48 < emeb> interesting 2015-04-22T16:51:57 < Getty> Wow youtube changed the text for "GEMA protected" videos to actually show that its just a missing contract and not that GEMA is active protecting the content 2015-04-22T16:52:06 < emeb> wonder if that impacts the overall throughput 2015-04-22T16:52:16 < mervaka> it's only midi :) 2015-04-22T16:52:39 < mervaka> it probably does, but over usb2 i'm not exactly bothered 2015-04-22T16:52:52 < emeb> I've found a USB host can generate MIDI data a lot faster than old serial style. 2015-04-22T16:53:05 < mervaka> of course 2015-04-22T16:53:09 < emeb> and reduced BW means latency. musicians hate latency. 2015-04-22T16:53:19 < mervaka> that's why i'm trying to throttle the USB host 2015-04-22T16:53:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.172] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T16:54:17 < emeb> I'm unclear on many USB details. does USB only send one packet to a device per SOF? 2015-04-22T16:54:31 < mervaka> not that i've observed 2015-04-22T16:55:24 < mervaka> but there's a frame marker, then quite a lot of packets 2015-04-22T17:01:25 < zyp> emeb, depends on the EP type 2015-04-22T17:01:36 < emeb> bulk? 2015-04-22T17:01:39 < zyp> interrupt and isochronous is limited to one per EP per frame 2015-04-22T17:01:49 < zyp> bulk and control can do as many as will fit 2015-04-22T17:02:12 < emeb> then limiting pkt size probably won't have a huge effect on bulk bw. 2015-04-22T17:03:30 < zyp> small packets means that you lose a lot to overhead 2015-04-22T17:04:03 < zyp> not to mention that small packets would be smaller than MPS and thus each their own transfer 2015-04-22T17:04:16 < zyp> which means lots of work on the host side to set up new transfers 2015-04-22T17:07:37 < mervaka> here's a thought though 2015-04-22T17:07:48 < mervaka> i can not ever ACK or NAK in my code 2015-04-22T17:08:00 < mervaka> and it will still eventually ACK somehow, after a few NAKs 2015-04-22T17:16:35 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T17:17:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-22T17:17:51 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@200-148-9-88.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-22T17:18:19 < mervaka> oh wait 2015-04-22T17:18:39 < mervaka> i think i've found the problem. a "watchdog" was implemented. how fucking useful ¬_¬ 2015-04-22T17:19:11 < karlp> damnit, I've lost gdb macro printing again. 2015-04-22T17:25:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.172] has quit [] 2015-04-22T17:25:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.172] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T17:26:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-22T17:56:14 < karlp> oops, sizeof(array) instead of ARRAY_LENGTH(array) 2015-04-22T17:56:22 < karlp> byebye important shit on the stack. 2015-04-22T17:56:28 < karlp> let me trample that for you... 2015-04-22T17:59:56 -!- DanteA 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2015-04-22T18:35:48 < englishman> Russia Strength: 1,000,000 Casualties: 323,000 2015-04-22T18:37:16 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T18:38:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-67-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-22T18:40:09 < kakimir> men were send to their deaths from soviet side 2015-04-22T18:40:55 < kakimir> there was no proper leading so they were constantly ambushed 2015-04-22T18:41:45 < kakimir> and no proper winter gear so they froze to death 2015-04-22T18:46:04 < kakimir> also fierce defender 2015-04-22T18:48:56 < englishman> they were defeated by the smell of surströmming 2015-04-22T18:49:52 < englishman> ... or the equivalent 2015-04-22T18:50:33 < kakimir> they were discusted to death by finns eating mämmi 2015-04-22T18:51:19 < englishman> to death 2015-04-22T18:52:40 < kakimir> first thing finnish person does when he/she has foreign guest is to drive to store and buy mämmi and salmiakki and koskenkorva 2015-04-22T18:54:15 < PeterM> first thing australian person does when he/she has foreign guest is check whether they are still alive or not 2015-04-22T18:54:47 < kakimir> force feeding mämmi to guest is the greatest pleasure for host 2015-04-22T18:55:25 < kakimir> then naked to sauna no obligations 2015-04-22T18:59:15 < karlp> no objections you mean? 2015-04-22T18:59:26 < kakimir> yes I thought so 2015-04-22T18:59:34 < kakimir> objections 2015-04-22T19:01:47 < Getty> mh, the amazon fire stick needed a full power cycle before it was able to understand the wifi again, it was behaving 100% normal, just said it had no wifi, and any try connecting it failed 2015-04-22T19:01:57 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-94-53.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T19:02:04 < Getty> not enough flash to trigger a reset of the wifi chip? ;) 2015-04-22T19:04:37 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp118-211-222-17.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-22T19:06:14 -!- baird 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around + shipping time 2015-04-23T00:24:27 < ds2> for test boards, I don't care what color they are 2015-04-23T00:24:48 < upgrdman> ya 2015-04-23T00:25:09 < upgrdman> bbl 2015-04-23T00:25:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-23T00:26:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-23T00:27:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T00:31:09 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-23T00:33:13 < Abhishek_> I found elecrow good 2015-04-23T00:35:09 < ds2> Abhishek_: aren't they based in asia? 2015-04-23T00:35:48 < Abhishek_> China specifically 2015-04-23T00:37:14 < Abhishek_> However they do DHL 2015-04-23T00:37:21 < ds2> Abhishek_: so shipping is easier for you in that case 2015-04-23T00:37:40 < ds2> i seem to get all sorts for delays from non domestic fabs 2015-04-23T00:38:04 < Abhishek_> It 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Lux> f3 even has opamps 2015-04-23T02:04:34 -!- brabo [brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-23T02:05:02 < Lux> or is 1msps too little for motor control ?, hence comparators being better ? 2015-04-23T02:06:17 < Laurenceb_> the opamps are a bit noisy 2015-04-23T02:06:31 < Laurenceb_> i did look at the noise.. iirc microamps per root hz 2015-04-23T02:06:35 < Laurenceb_> volts even 2015-04-23T02:06:39 < Simon--> yah, opamps are nice 2015-04-23T02:06:59 < Simon--> the f3 thing I did uses them 2015-04-23T02:08:42 < Simon--> the project I worked on with f3 used just a shunt with direct connection to a comparator input against a dac output for timer break (eg: overcurrent protection with no software involvement after enabling), and also to lowpass and opamp for longer term current regulation target 2015-04-23T02:09:00 < Simon--> and another just voltage sense to comparator and other dac channel output for regeneration protection 2015-04-23T02:09:20 < Simon--> those are certainly useful features since you can just randomly short wires together then and stuff generally doesn't break 2015-04-23T02:10:14 < Simon--> even if the oscillator hangs or motor wires fall off or whatever, it won't fry 2015-04-23T02:11:10 < Simon--> well, assuming watchdog eventually turns off pwm ;) 2015-04-23T02:11:53 < Simon--> relevant: http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00080497.pdf 2015-04-23T02:12:05 < Lux> sounds nice 2015-04-23T02:12:28 < Lux> i bet the psoc5 could make building an esc easy too 2015-04-23T02:13:29 < Simon--> (err, watchdog not needed, timer break still works) 2015-04-23T02:14:44 < Lux> cool feature 2015-04-23T02:27:36 -!- Cyric [~quassel@cm-84.215.74.80.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-23T02:32:50 -!- Cyric [~quassel@cm-84.215.74.80.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T02:40:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-23T02:46:34 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married women and young girls. 2015-04-23T04:31:54 < dongs> attn Laurenceb__ 2015-04-23T04:36:56 < jef79m> wow. lucky he didnt get ebolaids. 2015-04-23T04:44:08 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T04:46:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-23T04:50:59 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-23T05:06:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gocyvqpsudosjcaz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-23T05:20:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cbrizcaejufvnjvq] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T05:34:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T05:45:09 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-222-17.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-23T05:53:13 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-23T05:53:34 -!- brabo 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2015-04-23T07:38:02 < dongs> who 2015-04-23T07:39:10 < emeb_mac> dongs: super pro audio. 2015-04-23T07:39:20 < dongs> yes 2015-04-23T08:03:34 < englishman> nobody needs more than 8 bit audio 2015-04-23T08:05:57 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-222-17.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T08:06:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.130] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T08:06:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9mXupe8.png 2015-04-23T08:08:03 < PeterM> englishman 8bit from dac without filter is pretty harsh, btu decently tuned filter is fiiine 2015-04-23T08:08:31 < englishman> if your music consists of more than beeps then you're doing it wrong 2015-04-23T08:09:03 < PeterM> beeps are fine but my dog doesnt like the harmonics 2015-04-23T08:09:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHXx3orN35Y 2015-04-23T08:13:43 < englishman> woa. 2015-04-23T08:14:41 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T08:25:33 -!- DanteA 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2015-04-23T11:15:22 < PeterM> im not sure whatr to say dongle 2015-04-23T11:15:34 < PeterM> it doesnt seem that cheap 2015-04-23T11:15:38 < dongs> 40 bux? 2015-04-23T11:15:46 < PeterM> yeah? 2015-04-23T11:15:55 < dongs> shrug, i thought that was fairly impressive 2015-04-23T11:16:20 < dongs> also has AC smps 2015-04-23T11:16:35 < dongs> the whole thing is barely bigger than phone charger brick 2015-04-23T11:17:10 < PeterM> mmmhm, but it is essentially just 1 chip in a box with a ac-dc and a hdmi socket 2015-04-23T11:23:36 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/grTeVbE.png 2015-04-23T11:23:45 < ReadError> sometimes you just gotta carry a dongle around in your pocket 2015-04-23T11:24:37 < PeterM> despite them advertising it being able to fit in her pocket, i think that would be uncomfortable as fuck in your pocket 2015-04-23T11:25:25 < PeterM> especially in those shorts 2015-04-23T11:27:05 < ReadError> oh, you dont carry an android dongle when you go run or to the gym? so unconnected. 2015-04-23T11:27:43 < PeterM> oh i carry a dongle, but i only carry the stick dongles, not the cube dongles 2015-04-23T11:28:07 < PeterM> they sit in the pocket easier 2015-04-23T11:39:17 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T11:41:22 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-23T11:41:22 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T11:41:22 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-23T11:41:22 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T11:41:40 < ReadError> dongs you grabbed the WEEV DOCUMENTARY ? 2015-04-23T11:41:43 < ReadError> its ok 2015-04-23T11:55:39 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T11:55:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.194] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T12:11:52 -!- barthess 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(i don't know if the Cortex-M4 FPU even has its own power/clock domain or not - if not, the difference will be very small) 2015-04-23T13:32:17 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T13:32:32 < jpa-> sterna_work: what i do know, though, is that doing float operations without FPU will take more energy than doing them with FPU :) 2015-04-23T13:34:11 < sterna_work> jpa-, yeah, that's what we also concluded here 2015-04-23T13:34:40 < DanteA> Sounds logically 2015-04-23T13:34:48 < sterna_work> and the question is if you can manage without the floats, but would say it's probably not worth it 2015-04-23T13:34:58 < sterna_work> the system is still going to be asleep most of the time 2015-04-23T13:36:33 < jpa-> yeah, faster to develop is usually better 2015-04-23T13:37:36 < sterna_work> yes 2015-04-23T13:40:32 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T13:50:15 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 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anyway, dongs thinks she's hot 2015-04-23T14:44:03 < Roklobsta> i mean iwatch 2015-04-23T14:44:14 < Roklobsta> which i am sure has an stm32 in it 2015-04-23T14:45:07 < Laurenceb__> doubt it 2015-04-23T14:45:22 < Laurenceb__> probably has an atom 2015-04-23T14:46:09 < Roklobsta> i'm just trying to stay on topic 2015-04-23T14:46:40 < Laurenceb__> ok, ontopic 2015-04-23T14:46:50 < Laurenceb__> how do i set the properties of a network drive in ubuntu? 2015-04-23T14:47:06 < Laurenceb__> i need to swap the login details for some samba stuff 2015-04-23T14:48:19 < scrts_w> Laurenceb__: /etc/samba/smb.conf ? 2015-04-23T14:48:49 < Laurenceb__> .smbcredentials 2015-04-23T14:48:53 < Laurenceb__> found it thanks 2015-04-23T14:50:31 < Laurenceb__> dunno how to make it do anything tho 2015-04-23T14:50:41 < Laurenceb__> unmount error 16 = Device or resource busy 2015-04-23T14:50:44 < Laurenceb__> funtimes 2015-04-23T14:54:40 < scrts_w> somebody has logged in? 2015-04-23T14:54:48 -!- talsit_roam 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[~A@213.87.137.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-23T19:43:12 < zyp> I don't think you'll have any more luck by asking here too :) 2015-04-23T19:44:02 < Steffanx> he asked it it more than 3 channels now? :P 2015-04-23T19:44:52 < dirty_d> i dont think you can do that 2015-04-23T19:44:59 < karlp> was the general advice to fix your hardware so far? 2015-04-23T19:45:24 < dirty_d> if you could, it would be in user flash, and since that pin would make it boot to something other than user flash... 2015-04-23T19:45:57 < zyp> karlp, I can't see any other option, at least 2015-04-23T19:46:17 < dirty_d> brianjaod, why cant you change the hardware? 2015-04-23T19:46:19 < qyx_> maybe device locking can disable bootloader access? 2015-04-23T19:46:40 < zyp> qyx_, no, I checked, there's no option bytes to disable the bootloader 2015-04-23T19:46:49 < qyx_> then, meh 2015-04-23T19:47:29 < brianjaod> zyp and steffanx: yes, sorry, i'm trying to be thorough with finding a solution for this problem. we've got 1500+ boards that we're trying to avoid doing hardware mods on and so I'm trying to find a software only fix 2015-04-23T19:48:08 < dirty_d> ouch 2015-04-23T19:48:27 < karlp> someone didn't read the "getting started with stm32 hardware designs" before actually getting started :) 2015-04-23T19:48:57 < zyp> hey, it's easy to forget 2015-04-23T19:49:22 < brianjaod> qyx: that's an interesting idea. surely there must be a way to lock down the device (i.e. security bits, etc) so that it can't be messed with in the field? 2015-04-23T19:49:49 < zyp> brianjaod, read protection just disables the ability to read out the software through the bootloader 2015-04-23T19:49:59 < zyp> the bootloader will still run, just with reduced features 2015-04-23T19:50:04 < brianjaod> karlp: yep, you're right, and that someone was a previous junior engineer. i've been brought on to fix the problem, hopefully 2015-04-23T19:50:34 < qyx_> you could go Laurenceb__-style and apply 12V to the boot0 pin 2015-04-23T19:50:41 < qyx_> and hope to make internal short to gnd 2015-04-23T19:50:46 < dirty_d> lol i was thinking something like that 2015-04-23T19:50:46 < karlp> this only matters if boot1 is also high right? otherwise the system bootloader runs, timesouts and then boots normally? 2015-04-23T19:50:59 < zyp> is there a timeout? 2015-04-23T19:51:21 < brianjaod> zyp: ok, gotcha, thanks 2015-04-23T19:51:23 < zyp> I thought it'd sit and wait for commands indefinitely 2015-04-23T19:52:15 < brianjaod> karlp and zyp: good points, i'll look into a timeout possibility 2015-04-23T19:52:33 < PaulFertser> brianjaod: what's attached to its uart? Probably you can program that other device to make bootloader run your code? :) 2015-04-23T19:54:11 < zyp> karlp, I can't see anything about a timeout in AN2606, according to the flow chart it'd just be stuck in a loop waiting for the sync byte 2015-04-23T19:54:12 < PaulFertser> brianjaod: btw, what specific part is that? 2015-04-23T19:54:20 < zyp> f103rc 2015-04-23T19:54:37 < karlp> zyp: yeah, you're right, no timeout I can see either 2015-04-23T19:54:40 < Steffanx> afaik there is no timeout.. 2015-04-23T19:56:17 < brianjaod> PaulFertser: unfortunately those usart pins aren't connected to anything useful 2015-04-23T19:56:34 < Steffanx> i guess there is only one solution brianjaod. 2015-04-23T19:56:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.44.88.247] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T19:56:41 < Steffanx> the solution you dont want to hear :P 2015-04-23T19:56:58 < Steffanx> or the solution your boss doesn't want to hear 2015-04-23T19:57:47 < brianjaod> wow, this is kind of crazy to me, that the stm32 doesn't have a simple configuration bit to disregard boot0. i'm guess i'm too used to the reconfigurability of PSOCs 2015-04-23T19:58:05 < karlp> go on, sook in a corner. 2015-04-23T19:58:13 < zyp> like I said before, assuming PB8 and PB9 is unused the least-effort workaround is to just bridge pins 60-63 2015-04-23T19:58:17 < brianjaod> Steffanx: yes, i think you're right, thanks! 2015-04-23T19:58:19 < karlp> i want a pin that forces bootloader mode, but I don't actually want to force bootloader mode 2015-04-23T19:58:41 < Steffanx> i love the boot0 pin and not having a way to disable it. I don't like to lock myself out 2015-04-23T19:58:54 < dirty_d> its probably so you cant brick it 2015-04-23T19:58:57 < brianjaod> and thanks to all of you for your help and input! i tried a post on the ST forums, but no response. Thank goodness for IRC :) 2015-04-23T19:59:05 < karlp> what, you don't want to have a buy a special magic device, or some high voltage programmer or something weird? 2015-04-23T19:59:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-23T20:00:05 < zyp> I like the fact stm32 doesn't have a lot of option bits that affects what state it is in after reset, like the avr fuse bits 2015-04-23T20:00:17 < dirty_d> zyp, wouldnt PB8 and PB9 be floating too? 2015-04-23T20:00:22 < brianjaod> yes, good points about not allowing a brick mechanism, i agree. always tradeoffs with different architechtures 2015-04-23T20:01:02 < zyp> dirty_d, pin 63 is vss, pin 60 is boot0, if the two pins between are unused you could just bridge all four with a solder blob 2015-04-23T20:01:19 < dirty_d> oh ok 2015-04-23T20:01:23 < _Sync_> yeah that'd work 2015-04-23T20:01:45 < karlp> but but but, then the greenwire wouldn't be green! 2015-04-23T20:01:48 < dirty_d> damn that sucks though, 1500+ boards 2015-04-23T20:02:00 < karlp> look on the bright side, it's only 1500 :) 2015-04-23T20:02:06 < brianjaod> dirty_d: yep, sucks 2015-04-23T20:02:25 < brianjaod> karlp: haha, yes, good optimism! :) 2015-04-23T20:02:30 < zyp> brianjaod, if I might ask, how come this wasn't discovered before you had 1500 of them made? :) 2015-04-23T20:02:55 < karlp> made one, floated the right way, made 1500, never ever reviewed the schematics :) 2015-04-23T20:03:03 < jpa-> maybe he had enough stray conductance in a proto board :) 2015-04-23T20:03:47 < englishman> how do you intend to flash the chips with your code? 2015-04-23T20:04:09 < zyp> jtag/swd like everybody else, I would guess 2015-04-23T20:04:16 < zyp> how is that relevant? 2015-04-23T20:04:17 < englishman> ah yes 2015-04-23T20:04:33 < englishman> i dono, usually i dont put those in finished designs 2015-04-23T20:04:42 < jpa-> what does boot0 do when flash is read & write protected? 2015-04-23T20:04:54 < zyp> jpa-, starts the bootloader 2015-04-23T20:05:02 < jpa-> makes sense 2015-04-23T20:05:05 < brianjaod> karlp: that's actually exactly it. it tends to typically float down and so it wasn't really noticed before. i was actually just barely brought onto the project and was the one that discovered the hardware design oversight, so now, just trying to come up with a solution that's the least painful 2015-04-23T20:05:12 < zyp> as far as I know, bootloader is still capable to do a full chip erase at that point 2015-04-23T20:05:21 < jpa-> ah, true 2015-04-23T20:05:22 < zyp> which will remove both read and write protection 2015-04-23T20:05:27 < karlp> if you're targetting a library that is bsd, but requires a port layer, how are you meant to reconcile the fact that port.h is lgpl?! 2015-04-23T20:05:39 < englishman> isnt there lock 1 and lock2, and the 2nd prevents erase 2015-04-23T20:06:06 < karlp> why would you prevert erase? that's just burning chips 2015-04-23T20:06:24 < karlp> if someone wants to reuse it, why should they be locked out? 2015-04-23T20:06:37 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-23T20:06:39 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T20:06:46 < gxti> just because *you* want to erase it dosen't mean they want you to :P 2015-04-23T20:06:52 < dirty_d> any idea when there will be a stm32f7discovery? 2015-04-23T20:06:52 < gxti> seems mostly useless though 2015-04-23T20:07:08 < zyp> if somebody is dedicated enough to reflash a chip on your board, they might just as well desolder it and drop in a blank one 2015-04-23T20:07:21 < zyp> so erase protection is useless 2015-04-23T20:07:40 < jpa-> zyp: unless the chip UID is secret 2015-04-23T20:07:42 < gxti> well, that's quite a lot messier than poking some pins with a jtag adapter 2015-04-23T20:07:46 < gxti> or better yet the UART. 2015-04-23T20:08:22 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-222-17.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-23T20:08:59 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-23T20:09:13 < zyp> englishman, also, why not swd? 2015-04-23T20:09:34 < englishman> i dono 2015-04-23T20:09:39 < englishman> its on dev products of course 2015-04-23T20:09:41 < gxti> imagine some lazy company wants to buy some cheap hardware from a competitor, reflash it, and sell it 2015-04-23T20:10:04 < zyp> englishman, I'm just curious what the perceived advantages by not using swd is 2015-04-23T20:10:17 < englishman> well i leave in the header pads if i have space 2015-04-23T20:10:24 < gxti> i used to always put down boot0 stuff but i eventually stopped doing it because it was never useful 2015-04-23T20:10:28 < englishman> but its the first to go on small boards 2015-04-23T20:10:32 < _Sync_> gxti: well, if you can pull that off, just rework the chip 2015-04-23T20:10:35 < zyp> both swd and uart is two pins each 2015-04-23T20:10:46 < gxti> _Sync_: that's a lot more work to do at scale, or in the field 2015-04-23T20:10:52 < _Sync_> depends 2015-04-23T20:11:01 < zyp> and swd doesn't need a bootloader trigger 2015-04-23T20:11:12 < _Sync_> if you can get boards very cheap the labor to replace the chips might be worthwhile 2015-04-23T20:11:12 < jpa-> yeah, swd is smaller and more useful 2015-04-23T20:11:20 < _Sync_> although that'd be interesting if you can do that legally 2015-04-23T20:12:05 < gxti> i'm not saying it's a huge problem, but i can imagine some cases where it would apply 2015-04-23T20:12:15 < gxti> i'd never use it myself (not that i use read protection either) 2015-04-23T20:12:27 < jpa-> i think it is more likely to be a requirement in some standard 2015-04-23T20:12:39 < jpa-> so that they can inspect a device and mark "this is inspected and cannot be modified anymore" 2015-04-23T20:12:41 < gxti> yeah, 99% of it is just going to be "some bigwig customers demand it" 2015-04-23T20:12:58 < gxti> practical concerns not applicable 2015-04-23T20:13:41 < zyp> englishman, how small is a small board? I'm using swd on this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/u9XvV.JPG 2015-04-23T20:14:37 < _Sync_> jpa-: mostly bosses "hurr competition is going to steal our IP" 2015-04-23T20:15:01 < _Sync_> same in the company where I was an intern 2015-04-23T20:15:08 < jpa-> same everywhere 2015-04-23T20:15:20 < _Sync_> I just said, well, they'll just send it to chian and get it probed for under 10k 2015-04-23T20:15:21 < gxti> well, read protection is what "protects" your IP 2015-04-23T20:15:37 < gxti> write protection would just be to annoy someone repurposing the hardware (commercially or otherwise) 2015-04-23T20:15:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T20:16:12 < zyp> I once replaced the firmware of some stm32-based product I bought 2015-04-23T20:16:28 < zyp> it was read protected, which I was a bit sad about 2015-04-23T20:16:46 < englishman> zyp: cool :) 2015-04-23T20:16:59 < englishman> with the 10pin header on other side? 2015-04-23T20:17:05 < englishman> is that 600V usb destroyer? 2015-04-23T20:17:47 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-23T20:18:01 < zyp> I was hoping I could disassemble it to look for potentional buffer overflows, that I could exploit to load a bootloader that would allow me to reflash it over usb instead of having to hook up a debugger 2015-04-23T20:18:13 < _Sync_> hah 2015-04-23T20:18:14 < superbia1> go on 2015-04-23T20:18:27 < zyp> englishman, no, it's the 6-pin tag connect 2015-04-23T20:18:41 < zyp> you see the positioning holes between the usb socket and the chip 2015-04-23T20:19:23 < englishman> oh tagconnect 2015-04-23T20:19:31 < zyp> and the other end is RS485 in usb A form factor 2015-04-23T20:19:48 < zyp> it's weird, but meant to plug into something with RS485 in such a connector 2015-04-23T20:20:06 < jpa-> it's silly that you have the same side twice there, the other board should be upside down :) 2015-04-23T20:20:15 < zyp> true 2015-04-23T20:21:40 < zyp> I'll grab a new photo for you ;) 2015-04-23T20:21:44 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/doglight/soldered.jpg i have both SWD and USART here 2015-04-23T20:24:22 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG 2015-04-23T20:24:48 < jpa-> now that's better :) 2015-04-23T20:25:09 < jpa-> but what's up with that usb connector? why are the ground pads so funny? 2015-04-23T20:25:28 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-23T20:25:30 < zyp> IIRC datasheet specified it like that 2015-04-23T20:26:39 < zyp> there's four pins that goes into holes, a smt tab out from each side, and datasheet also called for two pads underneath the connector body 2015-04-23T20:27:08 < zyp> not sure why the latter is not one big pad, probably has something to do with how the solder flows during reflow 2015-04-23T20:28:10 -!- caspinol [~caspinol@remote.airspeed.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-23T20:31:04 < zyp> so far I'm pretty happy with it, compared to certain all-smt usb sockets 2015-04-23T20:31:23 < zyp> of course, it still comes off if you're violent enough: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/s177m.JPG 2015-04-23T20:31:47 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-23T20:32:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-23T20:32:17 < englishman> where do you get tagconnect stuff? digikey? 2015-04-23T20:32:27 < gxti> DK carries some, you can buy direct from manuf 2015-04-23T20:32:34 < zyp> I think I got it directly from the store 2015-04-23T20:32:43 < zyp> paying more in shipping than for the cable itself :p 2015-04-23T20:32:54 < gxti> i believe DK didn't have the cortex ones at the time i bought, but check 2015-04-23T20:32:55 < englishman> is that the FCI thruhole usb connector 2015-04-23T20:32:59 < englishman> good stuff 2015-04-23T20:33:21 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T20:33:45 < zyp> but considering I've flashed ~500 boards with my tag connect cable so far, the per-board cost is pretty low by now :) 2015-04-23T20:33:45 < jpa-> i've been thinking about just using some test hooks for smallest boards; there are some quite nice 0.5mm hooks on digikey 2015-04-23T20:34:01 < Steffanx> i love the raging about the atmel ice on the tag connect website 2015-04-23T20:34:02 < englishman> but, doesnt the datasheet specify large pads on the side 2015-04-23T20:34:10 < zyp> jpa-, takes too much time when you're doing batch flashing 2015-04-23T20:34:15 < jpa-> zyp: sure 2015-04-23T20:34:23 < englishman> for tarduinos i have a pogo pin adapter 2015-04-23T20:34:27 < zyp> englishman, it specifies a weird shape on the side that's joined with one of the holes 2015-04-23T20:34:32 < englishman> hold down, click flash, watch for blinky led, done 2015-04-23T20:34:38 < jpa-> zyp: but all i do at home is just one-off :) 2015-04-23T20:34:43 < zyp> I was too lazy to make a weird shape 2015-04-23T20:34:48 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iivcmulxpxmfosrd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-23T20:34:55 < englishman> oh, i love making weird shapes in cad programs 2015-04-23T20:35:05 < englishman> its one of those useless things that takes time away from real work 2015-04-23T20:35:07 < englishman> but i like it 2015-04-23T20:35:12 < zyp> I don't, I prefer getting shit done :p 2015-04-23T20:35:13 < gxti> it's easy if you use Real EE Pro Soft 2015-04-23T20:35:17 < englishman> :P 2015-04-23T20:35:40 < _Sync_> zyp: pffft 2015-04-23T20:35:51 < _Sync_> but then you'd actually have to innovate 2015-04-23T20:35:54 < _Sync_> instead of innovating 2015-04-23T20:35:58 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T20:37:40 < englishman> does tagconnect clip itself in 2015-04-23T20:38:01 < zyp> not this variant 2015-04-23T20:38:16 < gxti> you can get a clip that attaches to the bottom, it works pretty well 2015-04-23T20:38:22 < zyp> the variant with legs is ugly 2015-04-23T20:38:23 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-23T20:38:26 < gxti> ugly and huge 2015-04-23T20:38:28 < zyp> except I lose the clips all the time 2015-04-23T20:38:35 < Laurenceb__> there are a few variants, check the site 2015-04-23T20:39:36 < zyp> if board area is not a concern, and I'm doing a board for development, I'll use the FTSH-105 instead 2015-04-23T20:40:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T20:40:11 < zyp> on arcin, I kept the FTSH footprint next to the TC, because I had no other use for that board area 2015-04-23T20:40:21 < zyp> it's just unpopulated on production boards 2015-04-23T20:40:23 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T20:41:17 < zyp> ref. http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QTIae.JPG 2015-04-23T20:51:41 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-23T21:18:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6efc70d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T21:21:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.177] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T21:44:24 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T21:45:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T21:46:16 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-23T21:46:32 < karlp> hrm, this library has all sorts of warnings with more modern flags turned on. 2015-04-23T21:52:41 < dirty_d> what are modern flags? 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2015-04-23T22:54:13 < englishman> if you make the rod holes tight will it keep the plug in? or you have to keep pressure on it / use a clip?> 2015-04-23T22:55:25 < englishman> the cable isnt too much money but $30 just for the 6 pin adapter, ugh! 2015-04-23T22:56:21 < _Sync_> deal with it 2015-04-23T22:56:34 < _Sync_> or just make yourself one with some pogopins 2015-04-23T22:56:43 < _Sync_> and spend moar money due to the time invested 2015-04-23T22:56:48 < englishman> and hotglue! 2015-04-23T22:58:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T23:09:15 -!- dirty_d [~dirty_d@50-205-178-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-23T23:14:37 < zyp> englishman, TC2030-CTX-NL 2015-04-23T23:17:34 < qyx_> lol, swd = single wire debug? 2015-04-23T23:20:10 < zyp> serial wire debug 2015-04-23T23:20:18 < zyp> IIRC 2015-04-23T23:20:20 < gxti> englishman: there's a separate clip with press-fit sockets 2015-04-23T23:20:37 < qyx_> yep, but they have "single" in their datasheets 2015-04-23T23:20:50 < gxti> FR4 isn't a good material for securely gripping a pin :p 2015-04-23T23:21:12 < zyp> I used a piece of protoboard once 2015-04-23T23:21:39 < gxti> as a separate clip it might work as a disposible thing 2015-04-23T23:22:22 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yLKZr.JPG 2015-04-23T23:22:33 < zyp> it worked there and then, but it's not something I would recommend 2015-04-23T23:22:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.44.88.247] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-23T23:25:44 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-23T23:26:16 < zyp> englishman, what adapter are you talking about? 2015-04-23T23:26:30 < zyp> the CTX variant has a standard 50mil 10pin connector 2015-04-23T23:27:37 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-23T23:27:38 < zyp> of course, if your debugger only has the old 100mil 20pin connector, that's another matter :p 2015-04-23T23:28:00 < zyp> but adapters for that are available elsewhere 2015-04-23T23:29:09 < zyp> gxti, oh, they actually sell that too 2015-04-23T23:29:10 < zyp> http://www.tag-connect.com/TC-FRICTION 2015-04-23T23:29:55 < zyp> hmm, but those are not for the 2030 2015-04-23T23:38:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-23T23:42:47 < yan_> if having a super precise main clock isn't very important, are there any reasons of going with an HSE? 2015-04-23T23:43:18 < zyp> in what sense? 2015-04-23T23:43:56 < qyx_> i can't see any 2015-04-23T23:44:43 < zyp> isn't there a lower maximum rated speed for PLL operation on HSI? 2015-04-23T23:48:31 < yan_> when /is/ primary clock accuracy important? i can see why having a precise LSE is important (RTC-based interrupts, scheduling, etc), but how is having +/- a few percent in main clock variation important? i guess for processing periodic sensor readings 2015-04-23T23:49:04 < zyp> uh, no 2015-04-23T23:49:24 < qyx_> it is important for some interfaces 2015-04-23T23:49:28 < zyp> what it tends to matter most for is async comms 2015-04-23T23:49:33 < qyx_> usb, usarts, ethernet (if you use mco for that) 2015-04-23T23:49:42 < yan_> ahh right right, usb needs HSE 2015-04-23T23:51:29 < zyp> FS USB requires a reference clock with around twice the accuracy of what the HSI is rated for 2015-04-23T23:51:54 < zyp> IIRC it was 0.25% vs 0.5% 2015-04-23T23:52:24 < zyp> HS USB is much stricter 2015-04-23T23:52:56 < yan_> since i'm not going with USB, probably going to forego HSE altogether.. just checked consumpgtion, it's almost identical 2015-04-23T23:53:02 < yan_> power consumption* 2015-04-23T23:53:43 < zyp> what are you making, and which chip are you using? 2015-04-23T23:54:11 < yan_> stm32l151 series, and i'm working on an altimeter (reading a few sensors at ~10hz and logging to external flash) 2015-04-23T23:54:36 < yan_> and trying to emphasize low power consumption 2015-04-23T23:54:46 < zyp> so that's all sync comms 2015-04-23T23:54:53 < yan_> yeah, it's all SPI 2015-04-23T23:55:03 < yan_> should be fine with HSI/MSI 2015-04-23T23:55:10 < zyp> probably 2015-04-23T23:55:24 < yan_> heh, what issues do you foresee me running into? 2015-04-23T23:55:41 < zyp> oh, I didn't mean it that way 2015-04-23T23:56:08 < qyx_> if you have some spare space, keep the footprint for the xtal 2015-04-23T23:56:15 < karlp> death to crystals 2015-04-23T23:56:18 < yan_> qyx_: good call 2015-04-23T23:56:24 < karlp> if you're going to leave a footprint, leave one for lse 2015-04-23T23:56:31 < qyx_> that too 2015-04-23T23:56:31 < yan_> karlp: i'm using LSE 2015-04-23T23:56:44 < yan_> i'm trying to keep accurate time/date 2015-04-23T23:57:18 < yan_> model is to be able to run this for a few months off of 150mah lipo cell.. where it wakes up every second or so, takes a reading and goes back to sleep.. and have a few 5-10 minute 'run' modes a month 2015-04-23T23:57:23 < zyp> I designed a l0 board without a crystal, it does usb 2015-04-23T23:57:32 < yan_> zyp: but l0's do xtal-less usb 2015-04-23T23:57:42 < zyp> yes, it has some clock recovery thing 2015-04-23T23:57:55 < karlp> both jpa and I have usb on l1 without crystals too, it's just not recommended :) 2015-04-23T23:58:03 < zyp> which I haven't bothered enabling yet, I just hacked up some shit and sent it to the guy who wanted it 2015-04-23T23:58:04 < qyx_> yan_: how are you measuring the altutiude 2015-04-23T23:58:06 < qyx_> *altitude 2015-04-23T23:58:18 < zyp> actually, I sent the board to him first, then I hacked up the firmware for it :p 2015-04-23T23:58:19 < yan_> qyx_: barometric pressure sensor.. using ms5611 specifically 2015-04-23T23:58:44 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-23T23:58:52 < zyp> according to the guy, it worked nicely for hours, then started having usb errors 2015-04-23T23:59:00 < zyp> which I believe is related to temperature 2015-04-23T23:59:16 < qyx_> yan_: nice component 2015-04-23T23:59:35 < yan_> qyx_: yeah, it looks great by spec.. i've played with it, but i need to finish this dev board first before i can do any real testing 2015-04-23T23:59:40 < karlp> hrm, docs for porting say, "this function should block until an event is ready" example code is non-blocking, just returns a flag for the event ready. 2015-04-23T23:59:43 < zyp> so he just pointed a fan at it, and then it ran fine --- Day changed Fri Apr 24 2015 2015-04-24T00:00:14 < zyp> karlp, gotta love consistent documentation :) 2015-04-24T00:01:35 < yan_> does anyone remember off the top of their head where SysTick is derived from? high speed clock or low speed? 2015-04-24T00:01:45 < yan_> (ref manual is taking forever on public wifi) 2015-04-24T00:01:47 < zyp> from sysclock 2015-04-24T00:02:23 < yan_> ty 2015-04-24T00:02:36 < englishman> zyp: i mean the adapter to jdink/stdink 2015-04-24T00:02:38 < zyp> there's a mux on the systick input, one option is systick directly, the other is vendor specific 2015-04-24T00:02:55 < zyp> and vendor specific is sysclk/8 on stm32, IIRC 2015-04-24T00:03:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-24T00:03:59 < zyp> englishman, nothing TC-specific about that 2015-04-24T00:04:21 < zyp> TC2030-CTX is using the standard cortex debug connector pinout 2015-04-24T00:04:23 < englishman> http://www.tag-connect.com/TC2050-ARM2010 2015-04-24T00:04:25 < englishman> o 2015-04-24T00:04:37 < englishman> so i can use the adapter i already ahve 2015-04-24T00:04:39 < englishman> yay! 2015-04-24T00:04:58 < zyp> yeah, I plug it directly into my bmp 2015-04-24T00:05:10 < zyp> that's why there are different cable variants in the first place 2015-04-24T00:05:52 < zyp> that said, I've seen other vendors use footprints for TC2050-IDC 2015-04-24T00:06:17 < englishman> other cable vendors? 2015-04-24T00:06:20 < englishman> so, cloners? 2015-04-24T00:06:21 < zyp> both TI launchpad and nrf51 demoboards have those for flashing the onboard programmer 2015-04-24T00:06:24 < englishman> oh 2015-04-24T00:06:28 < zyp> no, board vendors 2015-04-24T00:06:36 < englishman> handy 2015-04-24T00:06:54 < zyp> note that TC2050 is a 10-pin footprint, TC2030 is a 6-pin footprint 2015-04-24T00:06:59 < englishman> yeah 2015-04-24T00:07:04 < englishman> 2050 for jtag 2015-04-24T00:07:21 < zyp> IDC is straigtht through, CTX is wired for 10-pin cortex debug connector 2015-04-24T00:08:28 < zyp> there shouldn't be much reason to use JTAG over SWD nowadays, so I'm happy to save area by having only 6 pins 2015-04-24T00:08:43 < englishman> ooh i can scam a free one out of them 2015-04-24T00:08:57 < englishman> they dont have Pulsonix in their footprint lib 2015-04-24T00:09:01 < zyp> haha 2015-04-24T00:09:14 < karlp> is there any "right" way of 'unsigned char *x = "blah"' or uint8_t *x = "blah" ? I get -Wpointer-sign warnings, 2015-04-24T00:09:16 < ds2> zyp: do folks still do boundary scan any more? 2015-04-24T00:09:36 < zyp> no idea, I've never seen anybody do it 2015-04-24T00:09:51 < karlp> and unsigned char x[] = { 'b', 'l', 'a', 'h' , \0} is tedious... 2015-04-24T00:10:00 < zyp> but then I don't work in large scale production either 2015-04-24T00:10:48 < qyx_> karlp: just cast it? 2015-04-24T00:11:15 < qyx_> unsigned char *x = (unsigned char *)"hello"; 2015-04-24T00:11:16 < qyx_> uhm 2015-04-24T00:11:16 < karlp> yar, just wonderif if you could declare a literal unsigned char 2015-04-24T00:11:27 < qyx_> doesn't seem it would work 2015-04-24T00:12:04 < karlp> meh strlen complaiins too, fuc, it, I'll use it as "char" and cast on the interface call instead. 2015-04-24T00:12:52 < zyp> well, there's -funsigned-char 2015-04-24T00:13:02 < zyp> which is probably dumb 2015-04-24T00:15:28 < zyp> C++11 got user defined literals, you could probably make some suffix that would cast it 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[~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-24T02:38:32 < kakimir> why I'm 100% angry when I design pcb? 2015-04-24T02:41:31 < karlp> Getty: where did you get firetv for 20 eur? 2015-04-24T02:42:03 < Getty> oh wait, i mean fire tv stick 2015-04-24T02:42:08 < Getty> not the big one, sorry for confusion 2015-04-24T02:42:14 < Getty> i had 50% special deal for preordering 2015-04-24T02:53:21 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T02:54:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-24T02:56:45 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-24T03:20:49 < kakimir> heist for pocket money 2015-04-24T03:22:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T03:47:42 < superbia> what happens next' 2015-04-24T03:51:06 < zyp> R2COM, such innovating 2015-04-24T03:51:22 < superbia> still your squad is inferior to http://image.blingee.com/images19/content/output/000/000/000/7e9/805626701_885848.gif 2015-04-24T04:06:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghvwrtdbfxzucuzd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-24T04:15:30 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/Gb9Lzny.gif 2015-04-24T04:19:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T04:21:45 < kakimir> work harder 2015-04-24T04:23:30 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-24T04:24:24 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-24T04:25:29 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T04:26:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T04:27:45 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdjjyurvaqhtnday] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T04:30:40 < dongs> hello dongs 2015-04-24T04:31:00 < dongs> [ Steal $15 ] 2015-04-24T04:31:03 < dongs> R2COM: is it really worth it 2015-04-24T04:31:13 < dongs> i bet you'll spend more on bullets 2015-04-24T04:31:48 < dongs> wtf is FireTV 2015-04-24T04:31:58 < englishman> amadongs 2015-04-24T04:32:00 < dongs> lol amazon garbage 2015-04-24T04:32:10 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/XiaoMi-Mi-Box-Mini-Smart-H_265-Decoder-Google-TV-Player-HTPC-p-972857.html 2015-04-24T04:32:17 < dongs> this is way better 2015-04-24T04:32:19 < englishman> i guess people havent learned yet that amadongs products suck balls 2015-04-24T04:32:55 < dongs> $40 for chinq shit, 1/10th the size of amadong garbage, and isn't tied to some bezos DRM shite 2015-04-24T04:34:03 < dongs> Video: H.263, H.264, MPEG4-SP, VC1 2015-04-24T04:34:06 < dongs> not even HEVC?? 2015-04-24T04:34:07 < dongs> waht the fuck 2015-04-24T04:34:11 < dongs> when did this crap come out 2015-04-24T04:34:14 < dongs> 2010? 2015-04-24T04:34:27 < dongs> Release date 2015-04-24T04:34:27 < dongs> April 2, 2014 (United States 2015-04-24T04:34:30 < dongs> obsolete on arrival 2015-04-24T04:34:33 < dongs> WAY 2 GO AMAZON 2015-04-24T04:34:35 < englishman> EU plug? :( 2015-04-24T04:34:42 < dongs> eu plug on wat 2015-04-24T04:34:47 < englishman> mimi 2015-04-24T04:34:49 < dongs> chinkshit? 2015-04-24T04:34:52 < dongs> uh, the pics show flat american one 2015-04-24T04:34:59 < dongs> it folds in 2015-04-24T04:35:17 < englishman> o 2015-04-24T04:35:23 < englishman> and eufags need adapter 2015-04-24T04:35:25 < englishman> heh 2015-04-24T04:35:41 < dongs> look at bottom of page 2015-04-24T04:35:41 < dongs> yes 2015-04-24T04:35:42 < englishman> Note:We will send you the free plug adapter according to your country. 2015-04-24T04:35:45 < dongs> right 2015-04-24T04:35:59 < dongs> its a media palyer 2015-04-24T04:36:05 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-24T04:36:13 < dongs> no idea 2015-04-24T04:36:19 < ReadError> is the OS all chinglish too? 2015-04-24T04:36:22 < dongs> i stopped caring about mediaplayers when tehy all switched to faggotdroid 2015-04-24T04:36:22 < ReadError> or chinese 2015-04-24T04:36:30 < englishman> i got a rageberrypi2+openelec 2015-04-24T04:36:33 < englishman> works 2015-04-24T04:36:44 < dongs> the last of sigma designs players that used custom GUI were still usable 2015-04-24T04:36:50 < dongs> then shit all went android and it became shit 2015-04-24T04:36:58 < dongs> instead of making shit work they just tell you "install some apps" 2015-04-24T04:37:07 < dongs> and none of faggotdroid shit is designed to be used from remote etc 2015-04-24T04:37:26 < dongs> so youre switching between some bullshit mouse mode and trying to brign up rage UI in a shitty player thats designed for touch 2015-04-24T04:37:40 < englishman> openelec works great especially for finding subtitles 2015-04-24T04:37:55 < dongs> LOL MEDIA PLAYER WITH LUNXI + RAGEBERRY 2015-04-24T04:38:00 < englishman> yes 2015-04-24T04:38:05 < dongs> maybe next youre gonna tell me xbmc is greaT? 2015-04-24T04:38:12 < englishman> its not called that anymore 2015-04-24T04:38:15 < dongs> dont care 2015-04-24T04:38:16 < englishman> :) 2015-04-24T04:38:17 < dongs> its still shit 2015-04-24T04:38:26 < englishman> and its not xbmc its kodi or something 2015-04-24T04:38:33 < Getty> its now called after a low budget german supermarket 2015-04-24T04:38:55 < englishman> and yes when i tried xbmc a few years ago it was bad 2015-04-24T04:38:56 < Getty> http://www.kodi.de/ 2015-04-24T04:38:59 < englishman> but now, its good 2015-04-24T04:39:14 < Getty> its "slighty less bad" but crashs more often now 2015-04-24T04:39:42 < englishman> rly, mine has been on for like 2 months now 2015-04-24T04:40:11 < englishman> got samba set up to play from fileserver 2015-04-24T04:40:31 < englishman> sonarr+openelec = no need for traditional tv 2015-04-24T04:40:38 < kakimir> ordered my first two esp8266s 2015-04-24T04:40:53 < dongs> aids. 2015-04-24T04:41:03 < dongs> opensores aids 2015-04-24T04:41:15 < kakimir> where did you got yours? 2015-04-24T04:41:23 < dongs> me? esP? 2015-04-24T04:41:39 < dongs> i just had th em added to my order of random crap from china. 2015-04-24T04:41:45 < dongs> still havent even turned the shit on 2015-04-24T04:41:49 < dongs> i heard it supports arduino now 2015-04-24T04:41:54 < englishman> dongs is a lantronix pro 2015-04-24T04:41:55 < dongs> so I should be able to get it to work easily. 2015-04-24T04:41:57 < dongs> yeah 2015-04-24T04:42:31 < kakimir> I wish I get my curtains and lights running without moving my ass 2015-04-24T04:42:52 < dongs> how can something "unreliably" transmit data 2015-04-24T04:42:57 < dongs> it will either work or not 2015-04-24T04:43:07 < englishman> with tcp its reliable im sure 2015-04-24T04:44:26 < dongs> pssh 2015-04-24T04:44:31 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T04:45:23 < dongs> http://www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=160 2015-04-24T04:45:28 < dongs> We did not use module and instead directly used RT5350. RT5350 can be had for $1.75. SDRAM is $0.85, Flash $0.40. It is definitely possible to build for $5.00. 2015-04-24T04:45:31 < dongs> lol 2015-04-24T04:45:33 < dongs> lunixxxxxxxxxxxxx 2015-04-24T04:51:05 < kakimir> what do you think that few usd worth of chip with simple serial interface does? 2015-04-24T04:54:16 < kakimir> 54mbps is wlan speed not actual speed 2015-04-24T04:55:21 < kakimir> it's good for stuff like home automation 2015-04-24T04:55:36 < kakimir> not for real time media blasting 2015-04-24T04:59:50 < kakimir> it's pleasure to pay usd2.5 to get my colored lights and curtains moving 2015-04-24T04:59:59 < kakimir> or what ever 2015-04-24T05:04:52 < zyp> advertising real world throughput on wifi gear would be rather useless, since it varies wildly depending on local conditions 2015-04-24T05:06:10 < zyp> theoretical max is determined by whatever is the bottleneck, and should be documented 2015-04-24T05:06:56 < dongs> dont forget that before anything happens with wifi, you gotta /2 the advertised speed 2015-04-24T05:07:00 < dongs> cuz shit is halfduplex 2015-04-24T05:07:10 < dongs> so "300mbit" is 150 before the packets even leave it. 2015-04-24T05:07:19 < zyp> oh, and it's pretty useful to have a device that's using a faster radio mode than what the local interface is using 2015-04-24T05:07:20 < dongs> then it drops exponentially the further youre away from the shit 2015-04-24T05:07:27 < dongs> so liek 1meter away from AP you'd be lucky to get ~50mbit 2015-04-24T05:07:40 < zyp> because that means your transmission doesn't take so much airtime, freeing up the shared medium for other traffic 2015-04-24T05:08:43 < zyp> if every device only used a modulation mode fast enough for it's own use, rf spectrum would be even more overcrowded than what it already is 2015-04-24T05:09:58 < zyp> dongs, AFAIK time slots aren't reserved like that, and one direction can use over 50% of capacity 2015-04-24T05:10:16 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T05:10:26 < zyp> on the other hand, 300Mb/s usually refers to 150Mb/s with 2x2 MIMO 2015-04-24T05:10:33 < dongs> zyp, maybe in N, i duno 2015-04-24T05:10:38 < dongs> at least in b/g it has been that 2015-04-24T05:10:45 < dongs> fuck knows, wifi is dumb 2015-04-24T05:11:00 < dongs> companies fucking suck for removing ethernet from like EVERYTHING 2015-04-24T05:11:04 < zyp> dunno 2015-04-24T05:12:06 < zyp> the wifi thing I slapped in my ceiling works pretty well 2015-04-24T05:12:33 < kakimir> do you know if I can have 2 seperate networks with 2T2R? 2015-04-24T05:12:41 < kakimir> in seperate antennas 2015-04-24T05:13:05 < zyp> covers entire apt and garden, with decent speeds for what it is 2015-04-24T05:13:27 < zyp> then again, there seems to be little interference around here 2015-04-24T05:13:57 < zyp> I have like only three or four other wlans in range, in addition to my own 2015-04-24T05:15:39 < dongs> i have zero and its still awful 2015-04-24T05:18:24 < zyp> maybe you shouldn't buy shit gear then 2015-04-24T05:19:09 < dongs> couldnt find any wifi that didnt ran lunix 2015-04-24T05:19:13 < dongs> i'm 99% sure thats the problem 2015-04-24T05:21:42 < kakimir> I'm going tu put lunux in my router 2015-04-24T05:23:59 < kakimir> when I get ram and flash for it 2015-04-24T05:24:14 < kakimir> then some solar cells 2015-04-24T05:24:22 < zyp> hmm, looks like my wlan is pushing around 70 Mb/s 2015-04-24T05:25:40 < zyp> [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth 2015-04-24T05:25:40 < zyp> [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 85.8 MBytes 71.7 Mbits/sec 2015-04-24T05:26:46 < zyp> which is more than enough for what I use it for 2015-04-24T05:27:59 < zyp> if I need to stream HD porn with a higher bitrate than that, I've got 10gbe to my desktop computer 2015-04-24T05:29:09 < kakimir> high speed wlan would be good for remote desktop 2015-04-24T05:29:28 < kakimir> and stuff 2015-04-24T05:30:29 < zyp> heh 2015-04-24T05:30:48 < kakimir> I think wlan should be avoided when possible 2015-04-24T05:31:16 < zyp> I think wlan should be used when convenient 2015-04-24T05:31:50 < kakimir> but it's just convient to have laptop in bed and surfing and doing remote stuff on other computer 2015-04-24T05:31:59 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-24T05:32:06 < kakimir> it's 5:31AM 2015-04-24T05:32:14 < zyp> I have an internet radio on the nightstand next to my bed 2015-04-24T05:32:37 < zyp> it does support wired lan, but fuck running a wire into my bedroom for just that 2015-04-24T05:34:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-24T05:35:01 < kakimir> how cool it would have been in 90's 2015-04-24T05:35:09 < kakimir> or early 2000 2015-04-24T05:35:27 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-87-60.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T05:36:13 < zyp> I don't tend to use my laptop in bed, so I don't have anything else in the bedroom that does wired lan 2015-04-24T05:36:30 < kakimir> that's good decision 2015-04-24T05:36:35 < zyp> just phone and kindle 2015-04-24T05:36:40 < kakimir> meeeeh 2015-04-24T05:38:00 < zyp> eh, it's not really a decision, it's just that I don't see a point in bringing the laptop to bed when I can just get comfy in front of the desktop computer in the living room instead 2015-04-24T05:38:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T05:38:39 < kakimir> my laptop supply heats my feet 2015-04-24T05:39:06 < zyp> in other words, I just don't go to bed before I'm done using the computer for the day/night 2015-04-24T05:39:20 < kakimir> I need to go 2015-04-24T05:40:03 < zyp> when I'm sleeping somewhere away from home, I tend to take the laptop to bed, however 2015-04-24T05:40:14 < kakimir> god damn I'm still high on caffeine.. 2015-04-24T05:40:35 < kakimir> no proper work desk and monitors and stuff? 2015-04-24T05:40:45 < kakimir> that's why it happens 2015-04-24T05:41:19 < zyp> yeah, when I'm using the laptop anyway, I might as well bring it to bed 2015-04-24T05:41:35 < zyp> but when available, the desktop computer is a better option 2015-04-24T05:42:29 < kakimir> need to go> 2015-04-24T05:42:34 < kakimir> zzz 2015-04-24T05:45:29 < dongs> 70mbits? 2015-04-24T05:45:30 < dongs> fucking useless 2015-04-24T05:46:14 < zyp> for what? 2015-04-24T05:46:20 < dongs> anything 2015-04-24T05:46:56 < dongs> need gigabit 4 irc 2015-04-24T05:47:01 < zyp> heh 2015-04-24T05:48:21 < dongs> zyp why do i see some usb shite connecting plug shield via caps to GND plane 2015-04-24T05:48:26 < dongs> caps and/or FB sometime 2015-04-24T05:48:27 < zyp> sometimes I plug in the laptop when I'm copying a couple gigs of vids to pass time on a flight or something 2015-04-24T05:48:41 < zyp> to reduce noise, I guess 2015-04-24T05:49:05 < zyp> I'm not pro enough to care about that :( 2015-04-24T05:49:34 < zyp> I think there's some recommandations in usb spec 2015-04-24T05:50:07 < dongs> ive only seen kooky japs do it 2015-04-24T05:58:04 < dongs> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gyrocopter-pilot-doug-hughes-monitored-into-capitol-washington/ 2015-04-24T05:58:07 < dongs> roffle 2015-04-24T06:20:56 < zyp> isn't that last week's news? 2015-04-24T06:22:07 < dongs> im reviwing some jap tv capture looking for errors and that was in it 2015-04-24T06:22:10 < dongs> so its problyh old 2015-04-24T06:22:41 < zyp> oh, article is about the aftermath 2015-04-24T06:23:30 < dongs> newer news is radiation-laced dji landing on japan prime minister house roof 2015-04-24T06:23:51 < dongs> just as funny 2015-04-24T06:23:59 < zyp> heh 2015-04-24T06:32:17 < englishman> Isn't everything in Japan radiation-laced 2015-04-24T06:36:31 < Fleck> morning ppl! 2015-04-24T06:49:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-24T06:49:31 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T06:56:35 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch/posts/1203110 2015-04-24T06:56:39 < dongs> lol 2015-04-24T06:59:28 < PeterM> dafuq 2015-04-24T06:59:44 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch/posts/1198383 previous one is nice too 2015-04-24T07:00:05 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T07:07:35 < zyp> that's what happens when you apply too much pressure to the top of a bare die :p 2015-04-24T07:09:18 < zyp> dongs, hahaha, love the part about the van 2015-04-24T07:09:55 < dongs> the update is from few days ago... 2015-04-24T07:09:57 < dongs> what do you think??? 2015-04-24T07:11:58 < zyp> looks like they kinda know what they're doing though 2015-04-24T07:13:11 < PeterM> groundskeeper hose somewhere probably 2015-04-24T07:14:52 < dongs> i wanna do a dickstarter that delivers before its over 2015-04-24T07:14:55 < dongs> but too lazy 2015-04-24T07:15:29 < PeterM> broken dreams 2015-04-24T07:16:40 < dongs> R2COM: whatever 2015-04-24T07:17:28 < dongs> i mean wahtever i would do i would have realistic expectations about cost/delivery/production/etc 2015-04-24T07:18:13 < dongs> i cant really ship shit before its over because dicks are not obligated to pay 2015-04-24T07:18:19 < dongs> they can just delete their card from amadong payments 2015-04-24T07:18:28 < dongs> and it will fail when dickstarter is over and it actualyl tries to charge 2015-04-24T07:18:55 < dongs> thats how potato salad guy had like 300k or wahtever 2015-04-24T07:19:05 < dongs> but onyl got 50k 2015-04-24T07:19:12 < zyp> «only» 2015-04-24T07:19:18 < dongs> shrug 2015-04-24T07:19:24 < dongs> thats not a lot. 2015-04-24T07:19:25 < PeterM> a dildo that says lord of the rings quotes, call it dildo baggins, kickstarter that shit 2015-04-24T07:19:39 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad/ 2015-04-24T07:19:40 < zyp> 50k is a lot of potato salad 2015-04-24T07:19:42 < dongs> lol @ jumps 2015-04-24T07:21:07 < zyp> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad/posts/1002577 <- looks like potato salad guy also has problems delivering 2015-04-24T07:26:48 < dongs> sure 2015-04-24T07:27:01 < dongs> or just making stuff once the funding is > cost or whatever 2015-04-24T07:27:16 < dongs> its not like i actually need dickstarter money to deliver something.. 2015-04-24T07:28:09 < zyp> say, is f42x pin compatible with f40x? 2015-04-24T07:29:36 < dongs> probably to gnd/vcc pins 2015-04-24T07:30:53 < zyp> firmware guy working on the board I made just messaged me, complaining that there's not enough ram and flash 2015-04-24T07:31:00 < dongs> wut 2015-04-24T07:31:04 < dongs> the ehternet shit? 2015-04-24T07:31:09 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-24T07:31:11 < dongs> wtf 2015-04-24T07:31:14 < zyp> probably just bloated bullshit 2015-04-24T07:31:18 < dongs> must be using gcc 2015-04-24T07:32:30 < zyp> no, it's using a horrible software arch 2015-04-24T07:32:47 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/saverefrigerator wtf 2015-04-24T07:34:08 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elite-pcs/the-pi-z0ne 2015-04-24T07:34:58 < PeterM> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wipy/the-wipy-the-internet-of-things-taken-to-the-next i see this an think "why py?" 2015-04-24T07:35:24 < dongs> wwwwwfuck python 2015-04-24T07:35:48 < dongs> MCU: Cortex-M4 @ 80MHz (TI CC3200) 2015-04-24T07:35:49 < dongs> lool 2015-04-24T07:36:00 < dongs> well, at least TI doesn't have a history of randomly renaming the CCxx line 2015-04-24T07:38:22 < zyp> dongs, I think it sounds stupid to switch to a larger chip, but if you don't mind, please get me a quote for stm32f427vi (or 429 in case that happens to be cheaper) when you have time 2015-04-24T07:38:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-24T07:38:35 < dongs> for like ~100? 2015-04-24T07:38:45 < zyp> I'd like to know just how more expensive it will be when I'm arguing that it's dumb and that he should fix his bloat 2015-04-24T07:38:51 < dongs> ok 2015-04-24T07:38:54 < dongs> lemme c heck 2015-04-24T07:39:20 < dongs> vi is the 100tqfp? 2015-04-24T07:39:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T07:39:26 < zyp> yes 2015-04-24T07:39:29 < dongs> you're not remaking the board 2015-04-24T07:39:32 < dongs> you already have like 250 here 2015-04-24T07:39:35 < zyp> fuck no 2015-04-24T07:40:21 < dongs> .. doesnt the 405 shit have like 512k flash and 192k ram? 2015-04-24T07:40:25 < dongs> and he managed to run out of it already? 2015-04-24T07:40:30 < zyp> I may consider switching to f42x for assembly if it's directly compatible and reasonably priced 2015-04-24T07:40:46 < zyp> 1M and 128k+64kCCM 2015-04-24T07:40:52 < dongs> ... 2015-04-24T07:41:03 < dongs> tell him to stop coding shit 2015-04-24T07:42:35 < zyp> hmm, you can check price for vg as well, I can't understand that he has managed to fill flash 2015-04-24T07:44:14 < dongs> checking 2015-04-24T07:44:41 < englishman> cc3200 is pretty neat 2015-04-24T07:44:55 < dongs> well fucking great 2015-04-24T07:44:57 < dongs> excel crashes on startup 2015-04-24T07:45:00 < dongs> for no fucking reason 2015-04-24T07:45:12 < zyp> blame linux 2015-04-24T07:45:53 < dongs> zyp, neither of those is avialble and the price is retarded 2015-04-24T07:46:02 < dongs> VG is $9 2015-04-24T07:46:24 < dongs> VI no stock 2015-04-24T07:46:36 < dongs> still cheaper than tray @ digikey but still retarded 2015-04-24T07:46:49 < zyp> heh 2015-04-24T07:51:45 < dongs> he's welcome to pay for stupid tho :) 2015-04-24T07:52:11 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-24T07:52:48 < englishman> submitted pulsonix footprint to scam-connect 2015-04-24T07:52:50 < zyp> I just don't want to take the time to check compatibility before people insist that they want to pay for it 2015-04-24T07:54:04 < PeterM> You're thinkin of kikecad there [14:45] i think Altium corrupted his system files 2015-04-24T07:55:38 < PeterM> zyps firmware guy: "so i just finished porting the tarduino to f427 and i got about half way throug the ethernet and its full" [14:40] .. doesnt the 405 shit have like 512k flash and 192k ram? 2015-04-24T07:56:32 < zyp> actually, it's being ported from avr32 2015-04-24T07:56:40 < PeterM> altium > kikecad now, kikecad in 3 years > altium 2015-04-24T07:57:19 < PeterM> bvut in 3 years, its still going to be altium > kikecad now, kikecad in 3 years > altium because nothing fucking happens in opensores 2015-04-24T07:57:30 < zyp> avr32, with an external sram chip (running at 20 MHz IIRC) that people used for both some of the code and data 2015-04-24T07:58:50 < zyp> when we measured ram usage, it seemed like it should fit nicely within 128k though, so I'm not sure what's up now 2015-04-24T07:59:25 < zyp> and even if code size between archs are different, it shouldn't affect ram usage 2015-04-24T08:00:10 < PeterM> the firmware dude was probably like "jeez, woulkd be a shame to have all this ram adn flash and not use it, better start spewing otu some shit" 2015-04-24T08:00:18 -!- Dan2 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are you building that you ran out of memory on an f405? 2015-04-24T08:04:08 < PeterM> [15:01] well, from previous discussions with the guy, I know we have different opinions on what «small» means 2015-04-24T08:04:17 < PeterM> probably something to do with penises from that cmment 2015-04-24T08:05:25 < emeb_mac> 100-pin F4 doesn't bring out enough of the FSMC to access much RAM 2015-04-24T08:05:49 < dongs> such ram 2015-04-24T08:06:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-24T08:07:52 < emeb_mac> wait for the F7 parts - almost pin compatible with F4 but more on-chip SRAM 2015-04-24T08:09:26 -!- Dan2 [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-24T08:20:11 < zyp> guy didn't know about CCM, might get it to fit anyway 2015-04-24T08:21:14 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T08:22:40 < emeb_mac> what's he doing - emulating the avr32? 2015-04-24T08:23:20 < zyp> probably a ton of network buffers or something 2015-04-24T08:24:13 < zyp> which doesn't explain why the firmware is hundreds of kb 2015-04-24T08:24:21 < emeb_mac> yeah 2015-04-24T08:24:40 < emeb_mac> I did the webserver ethernet demo and it only takes about 40kB of code 2015-04-24T08:25:18 < zyp> apparently 1M flash is only too small if you want to store two copies of the firmware to have a recovery copy for bootloader 2015-04-24T08:25:18 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20110811081519/http://home.comcast.net/~fbui/ lunix 2015-04-24T08:25:30 < zyp> but still :p 2015-04-24T08:25:33 < emeb_mac> ah - that would do it. 2015-04-24T08:25:45 < zyp> apparently he had 64k reserved for bootloader 2015-04-24T08:25:47 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-24T08:25:49 < zyp> … 2015-04-24T08:26:04 < emeb_mac> that's a big bootloader 2015-04-24T08:26:28 < zyp> yeah, I think that was what we discussed that time I concluded we had a differing view of «small» 2015-04-24T08:26:41 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T08:26:49 < zyp> considering his «small» bootloader was ten times larger than mine 2015-04-24T08:28:16 < dongs> i recall there being some limitaions for bootloader on F4 2015-04-24T08:28:20 < emeb_mac> *eyeroll* 2015-04-24T08:28:21 < dongs> the first bank flash pages are huge 2015-04-24T08:28:28 < dongs> but i duno if they're 64k/ea huge 2015-04-24T08:29:30 < zyp> IIRC the first pages are small and the latter ones are huge 2015-04-24T08:30:07 < emeb_mac> first four sectors are 16kB each 2015-04-24T08:30:30 < emeb_mac> then one 64, the rest are 128 2015-04-24T08:31:35 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-24T08:35:03 < zyp> yeah, so you can't reserve less than 16k 2015-04-24T08:35:10 < zyp> that's still pretty huge 2015-04-24T08:40:56 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T08:43:26 -!- Activate_for_moa 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zano will be saved 2015-04-24T10:27:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.177] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T10:27:47 < zyp> by python 2015-04-24T10:28:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sae9jQ2RidI 2015-04-24T10:28:30 < dongs> omng 2015-04-24T10:28:34 < dongs> mjpeg streaming over wifi 2015-04-24T10:28:53 < dongs> is thata quadcopter in background 2015-04-24T10:29:17 < ReadError> ya 2015-04-24T10:29:22 < ReadError> its one of those brushed shits 2015-04-24T10:29:27 < dongs> i dont think so 2015-04-24T10:29:31 < dongs> looks like talon frame 2015-04-24T10:29:35 < dongs> one of those dum hobbyking shits 2015-04-24T10:29:41 < dongs> or is that smaller 2015-04-24T10:29:50 < dongs> ohh wait yeah 2015-04-24T10:29:52 < dongs> i see the motor guards 2015-04-24T10:30:08 < dongs> yea and small props 2015-04-24T10:30:50 < ReadError> are you going to buy a zano if it ever comes out? 2015-04-24T10:32:03 < zyp> «lolno» 2015-04-24T10:33:44 < ReadError> #zaNO 2015-04-24T10:38:17 -!- 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What is the 2nd jumper on the top left for? 1st one is for boot and I don't know what for is the second one http://www.ebay.com/itm/321569700934 2015-04-24T15:27:53 < karlp> if you didn't get a schematic with the board, contact your vendor, 2015-04-24T15:28:04 < karlp> if you can't get a reply, toss it in the bin and buy something that is documented. 2015-04-24T15:28:28 < karlp> it's likely to be boot0/boot1 2015-04-24T15:28:36 -!- jadew [~jadew@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-24T15:31:06 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T15:32:46 -!- PeterM-Mobile [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T15:34:14 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-24T15:35:02 < ColdKeyboard> It's connected to PB2 via 100K resistor. It is indeed Boot1 :) 2015-04-24T15:35:29 < ColdKeyboard> I couldn't find the magnifier to look where it was connected to :) 2015-04-24T15:41:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.36] has quit [] 2015-04-24T15:42:38 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-24T15:49:05 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T15:53:22 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kfdgscnpgfjfdckx] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T16:12:22 < karlp> that openmv looks neat 2015-04-24T16:19:59 < kakimir> it's been run with heavy subsampling? 2015-04-24T16:25:26 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-24T16:40:52 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T16:46:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-24T16:47:31 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-24T16:48:38 -!- jadew [~jadew@86.126.1.244] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T16:49:05 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T16:52:11 < Getty> ok i am confused, how the hell does that work? or is that fake?! http://9gag.com/gag/aXpRVLv 2015-04-24T16:54:04 < PeterM> expressport is basically just a card slot with some pci-e laners broken out onto it 2015-04-24T16:54:06 < kakimir> mini pcie or that new thunderbolt or whatever 2015-04-24T16:54:11 < PeterM> i assume that laptop has 2 slots 2015-04-24T16:54:20 < PeterM> so 2x pcie slots 2015-04-24T16:54:28 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@192.3.203.101] has quit [Quit: Wheeee....] 2015-04-24T16:54:48 < PeterM> some decent cables for diff signals, some driovers and a dock and you're good to go 2015-04-24T16:54:57 < kakimir> how they run framebuffer back from there? 2015-04-24T16:55:04 < Getty> i am still confused, how does th epicture get bcak? 2015-04-24T16:55:08 < PeterM> accross pci-e 2015-04-24T16:55:24 < kakimir> needs some hacks? 2015-04-24T16:55:25 < Getty> wow..... and ... wow... i am really so oldschool... this looks like pure blackmagic to me 2015-04-24T16:55:32 < kakimir> sw hacks 2015-04-24T16:55:44 < PeterM> not terribly big hacks 2015-04-24T16:55:50 < Getty> so i know for sure what i checkup with my next laptop 2015-04-24T16:55:54 < Getty> that is REALLY a use case i would LOVE 2015-04-24T16:56:22 < Getty> just making my laptop into a serious gaming station for events is just epic, and AlienWare is not like an option ;) 2015-04-24T16:56:54 < ReadError> Getty they have been doing it on macbooks for a while 2015-04-24T16:57:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T16:57:15 < Getty> then i could directly buy the alienware ;) 2015-04-24T16:57:18 < PeterM> yeah. it is surprisingly well supported because soem laptops come with say intel integrated grphics + nvidia dedicated graphics, intel for low power nvidia for gaming 2015-04-24T16:57:31 < Getty> so i need to check for ExpressPort? 2015-04-24T16:57:35 < Getty> and best 2 of them? 2015-04-24T16:57:56 < PeterM> expressport works but also pci-e mini also works (the kind used for wifi dongles etc) 2015-04-24T16:57:58 < _Sync_> well the external graphicscard thing is not new 2015-04-24T16:58:17 < Getty> yeah well for me its new ;) i really never knew that we are already so far 2015-04-24T16:58:30 < Getty> i mean its not like i am a hardcore gamer and cared so much, but its really... wow... 2015-04-24T17:00:50 < _Sync_> wat 2015-04-24T17:01:04 < _Sync_> you do also not know that pcie was specifically made for transmission over cables? 2015-04-24T17:01:10 < Getty> i think what confuses me most, or what i just didnt realized is the fact that the picture comes back 2015-04-24T17:01:38 < Getty> Sync: its not about the PCIe its about the complete topic, i mean that the picture also can come back on there, and all that 2015-04-24T17:02:17 < Getty> i mean... its just.... yeah these days all that is there, i just never saw that you can actually combine it without the laptop being really prepared for this 2015-04-24T17:04:09 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-24T17:04:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMBc8UZCSns musics 2015-04-24T17:09:27 -!- dufa [~jarmo@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:09:49 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-24T17:11:35 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:24:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:29:56 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@178.62.1.167] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:46:45 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRysne3UdKs 2015-04-24T17:47:56 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:48:51 < englishman> whoa 2015-04-24T17:49:30 < englishman> the fucking floor is covered in blood 2015-04-24T17:50:12 < Getty> i hope htey have at least a minimum set of rules of engagement 8-) 2015-04-24T17:51:02 < Getty> holy moly... http://battleofthenations.ua/index.php/unified-international-rules.html 2015-04-24T17:53:51 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-24T17:54:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:54:17 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@178.62.1.167] has quit [Quit: Departing...] 2015-04-24T17:54:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-24T17:54:33 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@178.62.1.167] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T17:56:47 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-24T18:01:05 < Laurenceb__> wtf 2015-04-24T18:01:16 < Laurenceb__> what "sport " is this 2015-04-24T18:05:46 < karlp> looks likesomeone strapped mma dudes into armour 2015-04-24T18:05:54 < karlp> they're still grappling like mma wrestlers 2015-04-24T18:06:04 < karlp> I take it rules say no thrusting? 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This shield adds specialized ICs that perform various cryptographic operations which will allow you to add a hardware security layer to your Arduino project. 2015-04-24T18:12:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T18:13:40 < karlp> hhah 2015-04-24T18:15:57 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T18:20:17 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-24T18:21:01 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T18:26:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T18:29:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-24T18:48:21 < Laurenceb__> omg 2015-04-24T18:48:23 < Laurenceb__> http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/22/christina-hoff-sommers-lecture-leads-to-trigger-warnings-and-safe-spaces-at-oberlin-and-georgetown/ 2015-04-24T18:48:32 < Laurenceb__> poes law overdrive 2015-04-24T18:48:46 < Laurenceb__> i thought the people with signs were trolls 2015-04-24T18:51:51 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T18:52:02 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T19:01:29 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T19:11:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQ085cVhRQ0FrVUU/view?usp=sharing fruit of my madness 2015-04-24T19:19:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:29cd:56c2:c8de:cdba] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T19:22:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.100] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T19:26:19 < karlp> only 667 errors, nice 2015-04-24T19:26:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-24T19:26:46 < qyx_> ready for mass production 2015-04-24T19:28:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T19:29:00 < kakimir> :D 2015-04-24T19:29:21 < kakimir> it's fukin ready 2015-04-24T19:29:57 < kakimir> I hope I won't do this stupid thing ever again 2015-04-24T19:34:12 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T19:34:48 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kfdgscnpgfjfdckx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-24T19:37:51 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-24T19:42:21 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f770171.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T19:43:03 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-24T19:47:15 < qyx_> how dare you call it fukin ready if there is nonzero number of errors 2015-04-24T19:52:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-24T19:52:09 < Steffanx> it needs moar vias kakimir 2015-04-24T19:52:28 < kakimir> it has almost 2000 2015-04-24T19:52:32 < kakimir> already 2015-04-24T19:53:05 < Steffanx> also needs some proper angle fixing around the lpc 2015-04-24T19:53:25 < Steffanx> 45 degrees <3 2015-04-24T19:53:34 < kakimir> eagle cant doo 2015-04-24T19:53:44 < qyx_> what? 2015-04-24T19:53:45 < Steffanx> sure eagle can do 2015-04-24T19:53:59 < kakimir> turn components 45 2015-04-24T19:54:10 < qyx_> that too 2015-04-24T19:54:16 < kakimir> how 2015-04-24T19:54:17 < qyx_> but we are talking about traces 2015-04-24T19:54:18 < Steffanx> but that's not what i meant 2015-04-24T19:54:37 < qyx_> kakimir: using the rotate command 2015-04-24T19:54:43 < qyx_> quite obvious 2015-04-24T19:54:57 < Steffanx> you should do like the people from at91bootstrap and call: make mrproper 2015-04-24T19:54:57 < kakimir> wut 2015-04-24T19:56:12 < kakimir> holy shit I can input angle freely 2015-04-24T19:56:28 < Steffanx> YES YOU CAN 2015-04-24T19:57:13 < kakimir> this is useful for placing mcus 2015-04-24T19:57:21 < kakimir> *and routing 2015-04-24T19:57:33 < qyx_> for routing theres a 45° mode 2015-04-24T19:57:47 < kakimir> yes 2015-04-24T19:57:58 < kakimir> I go to gym now> 2015-04-24T19:58:24 < PeterM> too much 45 looks liek shit thoigh, be warned 2015-04-24T19:58:51 < englishman> a proper swastika will be at 45 degrees 2015-04-24T20:07:27 < karlp> first day of summer, better mow the lawn: https://www.facebook.com/100005273587751/videos/vb.100005273587751/398608333658283/?type=2&theater 2015-04-24T20:07:29 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:10:12 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-24T20:10:29 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:10:33 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T20:10:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.44.88.247] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:11:09 < PeterM> that mower is probably fucked now 2015-04-24T20:12:16 < karlp> why? 2015-04-24T20:12:26 < karlp> not that much snow 2015-04-24T20:12:45 < karlp> probably barely even had the blades in it, just fanned it 2015-04-24T20:14:50 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:15:17 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-87-60.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:16:48 < PeterM> if 4 stroke 0 oil and very cold running = super weqar 2015-04-24T20:20:04 < karlp> heh, a) not all that cold, and who has 4 stroke lawn mowers anyway? 2015-04-24T20:20:17 < karlp> isn't "0 oil" always super wear? what' 2015-04-24T20:20:36 < karlp> s so special about being in the cold? you have oil for just that sort of thing in cars. 2015-04-24T20:20:50 < zyp> yeah, but do you have it in your lawnmower? 2015-04-24T20:20:51 < karlp> sure, they probably don't run winter oil in their lawn mower, 2015-04-24T20:21:12 < karlp> still, I don't think it's cold enough anyway to be "super wear" surely 2015-04-24T20:23:08 < karlp> charts online show almost all of them going down to 0, -5 or so 2015-04-24T20:23:37 < rkreis> so how do i tell if two peripherals from two chips are the same or not? libopencm3 hints at the spi in stm32f0 and stm32f1 being different, karlp, how did you figure that out? 2015-04-24T20:23:41 < zyp> that vid reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmwkNLu0Pzc 2015-04-24T20:23:52 < rkreis> is there a better way than comparing the reference manuals? 2015-04-24T20:24:04 < zyp> it's like something he could decide to do 2015-04-24T20:26:24 < karlp> rkreis: just comparing ref manuals, it's relatively easy to see that it's a different periph, if you compre the sections in devices where they are the same, you can see all the same charts and register diagrams 2015-04-24T20:26:42 < karlp> f0/f3 spi isn't a _huge_ change, but it's got differences 2015-04-24T20:26:58 < rkreis> alright :) 2015-04-24T20:27:04 < karlp> zyp: heh, that dude is hilarious 2015-04-24T20:27:14 < zyp> yeah, I know 2015-04-24T20:27:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-24T20:29:21 * rkreis is hunting for the stm32l0 SPI 2015-04-24T20:29:40 < rkreis> the block diagram looks very different from stm32f1 at least 2015-04-24T20:35:56 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:40:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:44:02 < karlp> if you get an IWDG reset, will ram be cleared or not? it will run my full reset handler won't it? 2015-04-24T20:45:44 < englishman> winter oil in lawnmower. lol 2015-04-24T20:46:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.100] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T20:46:38 < karlp> well, "high" summer temps here are only 15-20C, so it's going to be basically winter oil already 2015-04-24T20:46:50 < karlp> reykjavik record is only 24.7 or something 2015-04-24T20:48:38 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T20:53:12 < englishman> dongs: found zano prototype http://i.imgur.com/Nnm2dP5.jpg 2015-04-24T20:53:34 < englishman> they are claimimg 15min hover 2015-04-24T20:53:48 < ReadError> but 5 minute motor life 2015-04-24T20:56:17 < kakimir> those motors are quickly worn 2015-04-24T20:56:56 < ReadError> i cant wait for the butthurt rage about it 2015-04-24T20:57:07 < englishman> we all are waiting 2015-04-24T20:57:10 < ReadError> a little motor i use for >1second over and over 2015-04-24T20:57:16 < ReadError> is already fuckin shit 2015-04-24T20:57:24 < ReadError> and thats just a stupid tester motor 2015-04-24T20:59:41 < kakimir> they need to go coreless 2015-04-24T21:00:48 < kakimir> price skyrockets 2015-04-24T21:00:59 < englishman> do you mean brushless 2015-04-24T21:01:43 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T21:01:47 < kakimir> nope 2015-04-24T21:10:27 -!- caspinol [~caspinol@31.193.218.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-24T21:10:58 < ReadMobl> Still brushes to burn out though ? 2015-04-24T21:15:37 < stephendwyer> karlp: yes ram is cleared i am pretty sure 2015-04-24T21:16:21 < stephendwyer> also, anyone, what do you look at to find out why you jump to a signal handler? 2015-04-24T21:18:44 < kakimir> wouldn't brushless be too heavy? 2015-04-24T21:19:21 < stephendwyer> (on cortex m3/stm32f1) 2015-04-24T21:21:19 < ReadError> kakimir, no 2015-04-24T21:25:40 < kakimir> what do you think should I control battery pack switchin in rc plane with P + N mosfer pair or something else? 2015-04-24T21:27:27 < stephendwyer> karlp: at least on F1 the iwdg reset is a system reset, which is the same as an external pin reset, software reset, low power reset 2015-04-24T21:28:14 < stephendwyer> but maybe you don't actually lose ram contents unless the reset handler clears it? not sure about that... 2015-04-24T21:28:18 < superbia1> anyone sells breakoutboards ? 2015-04-24T21:28:22 < superbia1> like http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Sold-New-STM32-ARM-Cortex-M3-Leaflabs-Leaf-Maple-Mini-Module-For-Arduino-/311248450407?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4877da7367 2015-04-24T21:28:57 < gxti> karlp: stephendwyer: correct, reset does not clear RAM 2015-04-24T21:29:20 < stephendwyer> gxti: yes, makes sense 2015-04-24T21:29:31 < gxti> there's rather a lot of it and having a reset line on every cell would be expensive :p 2015-04-24T21:30:00 < gxti> plus you can do dumb tricks like have "uninitialized" variables that don't get cleared by crt0, and use it to pass information from one lifetime to the next 2015-04-24T21:30:25 < gxti> i use that in my bootloader because undoing whatever cpu/peripheral setup it does is harder than just starting over. 2015-04-24T21:31:34 < superbia1> didnt someone here sell brakeout boards cheaply? 2015-04-24T21:32:17 < stephendwyer> gxti: ah yes - i use bkpdr registers for that... 2015-04-24T21:49:09 < karlp> yar, I was just looking at it before I left work, and was thinking of maybe using a few bkup registers, ws just looking at counting watchdog resets 2015-04-24T21:49:50 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-99-2.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T21:51:43 < stephendwyer> karlp: exactly what i use them for 2015-04-24T21:51:52 < stephendwyer> so after too many i can roll back firmware 2015-04-24T21:52:19 < gxti> that's probably more straightforward than what i did, but for reference: https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware/blob/master/bootloader/src/main.c#L25 https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware/blob/master/bootloader/ports/STM32F107xB.ld#L65 2015-04-24T21:52:32 < karlp> heh, I was just going to check it was working, but it's probably worth being one of the many things I should acutally properly track. 2015-04-24T21:52:55 < karlp> was fixing some modbus code this week that seems to have dramatically reduced the failure rate of modbus requests. 2015-04-24T21:53:08 < karlp> if I'd had proper stats collection I would have noticed it way earlier 2015-04-24T21:53:13 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-87-60.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-24T21:53:17 < karlp> instead of just "yeah, they timeout occasionaly" 2015-04-24T21:53:27 < PaulFertser> karlp: found any freemodbus bugs? 2015-04-24T21:53:45 < karlp> no _bugs_ per se yet. 2015-04-24T21:53:57 < karlp> this was bugs in my modbus implementation, which was part of why I was looking at freemodbus :) 2015-04-24T21:54:20 < karlp> freemodbus is much more layered so harder to get quickly started on your own target, and the porting guide is less than clear. 2015-04-24T21:54:44 < karlp> but I found that the user callbacks in freemodbus get address+1 (reg num) sent in a variable called address. 2015-04-24T21:55:03 < karlp> was rather curiious why I set up a table at 0x2000 for 10 values, and could only read 9 of them! 2015-04-24T21:55:19 < karlp> freemodbus is explicitly +1 on the address it received, which I found rather odd. 2015-04-24T21:58:20 < PaulFertser> Heh. I don't remember details, we're using it for many years by now. No bugs found in there, just buggy handling of interrupts etc in my coworkers' code :) 2015-04-24T22:13:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.100] has quit [] 2015-04-24T22:24:43 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying to burn flash onto 32F103C8 with the following command "STMFlashLoader.exe" -c --pn 18 -p --dwp --drp -i STM32F1_Med-density_64K -d --fn "c:\Users\Sale\Desktop\flash.hex" --v" 2015-04-24T22:25:02 < ColdKeyboard> But I keep getting errors, even when I remove --dwp and --drp :\ 2015-04-24T22:28:05 < trepidaciousMBR2> superbia1: Breakout boards for what? It's hard to get much cheaper than the discovery/nucleo boards? 2015-04-24T22:29:25 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: just use OpenOCD instead of some questionable proprietary software 2015-04-24T22:29:39 < trepidaciousMBR2> I was going to say that but I didn't want to sound harsh 2015-04-24T22:29:55 < ColdKeyboard> Do I need ST-Link for OpenOCD? 2015-04-24T22:30:13 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: not necessarily, plenty of other JTAG and SWD adapters supported. 2015-04-24T22:30:25 < akaWolf> ColdKeyboard: you are free to use any supported hw debugger 2015-04-24T22:30:48 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: if you need to talk to the uart bootloader, then there's stm32flash project for that. 2015-04-24T22:30:56 < ColdKeyboard> Alright. I'll try it out. I'm waiting for ST-Link2 to arrive :\ 2015-04-24T22:31:03 < trepidaciousMBR2> I guess a lot of people do use stlink v2 or clones though? 2015-04-24T22:31:52 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: That's the app I was asking for but instead of using GUI I used command line one, it's more convenient to use 2015-04-24T22:32:08 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: https://code.google.com/p/stm32flash/ ? 2015-04-24T22:33:35 < ColdKeyboard> Pretty much the same except this one is directly from STM 2015-04-24T22:34:29 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: how do you tell it's the same if that's a completely independent project? 2015-04-24T22:35:33 < ColdKeyboard> I meant to say they do the same thing 2015-04-24T22:36:08 < trepidaciousMBR2> ColdKeyboard: STM code can be a bit variable 2015-04-24T22:36:36 < trepidaciousMBR2> ColdKeyboard: Plus open source is open source, so you can go see what it's doing, and you don't get stuck if support stops, etc. 2015-04-24T22:37:39 < ColdKeyboard> I agree. I asked to see if anyone is by any chance using the same programming app that I got. GUI works like a charm so I'm guessing command line should work fine too but I never used it before... :) 2015-04-24T22:37:57 < ColdKeyboard> I'll try the one PaulFertser suggested, at least until stlink clone arrives :) 2015-04-24T22:41:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-24T22:42:01 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T22:53:26 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-24T22:58:33 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T23:02:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@37.44.88.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-24T23:05:05 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T23:05:55 -!- scrts2 [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-24T23:27:40 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T23:42:16 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-24T23:43:29 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@178.62.1.167] has quit [Quit: Departing...] 2015-04-24T23:43:40 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T23:44:16 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T23:51:46 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-24T23:57:07 < Fleck> morning Tectu 2015-04-24T23:57:18 < Tectu> Hey Fleck! 2015-04-24T23:57:21 < Tectu> how is it going? 2015-04-24T23:57:32 < Fleck> great. you? 2015-04-24T23:58:29 < Tectu> too, thanks 2015-04-24T23:58:34 < Tectu> working heavily on ugfx-studio 2015-04-24T23:59:11 < Fleck> ;) --- Day changed Sat Apr 25 2015 2015-04-25T00:00:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:29cd:56c2:c8de:cdba] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T00:07:31 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f770171.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-25T00:10:23 < Tectu> and what are you up to these days, Fleck ? 2015-04-25T00:17:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-25T00:23:10 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T00:24:02 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T00:33:12 < kakimir> can you recommend any network file servers? 2015-04-25T00:34:10 < Roklobsta> freenas 2015-04-25T00:34:18 < superbia1> that is complicated 2015-04-25T00:34:44 < Roklobsta> ok, ubuntu server with a basic samba setup 2015-04-25T00:34:55 < Roklobsta> freenas is easier imho 2015-04-25T00:35:00 < superbia1> or arch 2015-04-25T00:36:11 < kakimir> I mean device 2015-04-25T00:36:35 < superbia1> any x86 motherboard bundle + drives + psu 2015-04-25T00:36:57 < kakimir> maybe old dual core athlon x2 or whatever does 2015-04-25T00:37:05 < kakimir> I have one there 2015-04-25T00:37:06 < Roklobsta> oh just go find one of these networked harddisks 2015-04-25T00:37:06 < superbia1> no. 2015-04-25T00:37:28 < superbia1> get c2d or q4c 2015-04-25T00:37:51 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-25T00:38:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T00:38:41 < kakimir> I don't get another full spec computer 2015-04-25T00:38:50 < kakimir> wait 2015-04-25T00:38:56 < kakimir> I have c2d there 2015-04-25T00:39:09 < kakimir> motherboard fried 2015-04-25T00:39:17 < superbia1> replace 2015-04-25T00:40:29 < kakimir> righty then 2015-04-25T00:40:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T00:40:48 < superbia1> ebay -> and avoid jdm 2015-04-25T00:41:48 < kakimir> that c2d would be better workstation than this I have now 2015-04-25T00:41:52 < kakimir> :) 2015-04-25T00:42:30 < superbia1> almost anything with arch is better than windows pest 2015-04-25T00:43:11 < kakimir> I need mo monitors 2015-04-25T00:43:33 < superbia1> i think my window manager supports 255 monitors 2015-04-25T00:46:10 < yan_> how does everyone choose the value for R_ext when using an LSE crystal? i'm using the formula in the oscillator guide, and getting a value of 300k, wayy under the suggested 20m value 2015-04-25T00:46:29 < yan_> Using 1/2*pi*F*C2, where C2 is 15pF and F is 32768 2015-04-25T00:48:41 < Roklobsta> hey, this might be #stm32 but the first rule of #stm32 is you do not talk about stm232. 2015-04-25T00:52:34 < kakimir> it's been months since I have talked about stm32 2015-04-25T00:53:24 < superbia1> kek 2015-04-25T00:53:32 < superbia1> i just ordered som 2015-04-25T00:53:54 < qyx_> yan_: just copy it from the discovery board schematic 2015-04-25T00:54:00 < kakimir> ssd would be sweet when playing with these libs 2015-04-25T00:54:01 < qyx_> you probably won't find any r_ext here 2015-04-25T00:54:08 < kakimir> and datasheets 2015-04-25T00:54:11 < qyx_> i have never used any either 2015-04-25T00:54:44 < qyx_> the same apply to 390R series resistor on HSE crystal 2015-04-25T00:54:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-25T01:00:53 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@p5B2A48BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-25T01:09:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T01:13:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T01:22:44 -!- PeterM-Mobile [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-25T01:32:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T01:32:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T01:33:25 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-25T01:40:28 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-25T01:58:32 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-25T02:00:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T02:00:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T02:03:50 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-25T02:08:32 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T02:08:49 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-25T02:16:27 < karlp> stm32flash had better find a new home soon 2015-04-25T02:17:23 < dongs> whyso 2015-04-25T02:17:28 < dongs> is it on googlechoat? 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When I programm the chip and select run user application after programing, then it runs ok. But when I change boot0 to 0 and reset, the device doesn't boot up :( 2015-04-25T03:01:20 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone had a similair issue? 2015-04-25T03:03:33 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T03:03:39 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:04:52 < karlp> you probably don't have a linker script and reset handler all matching together. 2015-04-25T03:05:07 < karlp> so it hasn't flashed all the bits you need/think 2015-04-25T03:06:46 < ColdKeyboard> Darn it :\ 2015-04-25T03:08:25 -!- emeb1 [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:09:53 < ColdKeyboard> How can I fix this? :\ 2015-04-25T03:11:13 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-66-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-25T03:11:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-25T03:20:51 -!- emeb1 is now known as emeb 2015-04-25T03:21:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T03:23:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:26:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fscfglbuncmtvgmi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-25T03:31:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-25T03:36:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:40:58 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-25T03:42:54 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-04-25T03:47:50 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:51:59 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:52:05 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-25T03:53:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T03:53:12 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T03:54:37 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1664603222/cell-phone-headband-flashlight 2015-04-25T03:55:17 < karlp> PaulFertser: I don't suppose you know ifyou use the freemodbus report slave id function at all? it doesn't respond "promptly" unlike the other functions, and i don't get it... 2015-04-25T04:00:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T04:00:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T04:05:19 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-25T04:11:18 < dongs> http://www.ultraimg.com/images/Boxa3679.jpg 2015-04-25T04:12:11 < dongs> globalsources made it? 2015-04-25T04:12:18 < dongs> isnt globalsources some china market place 2015-04-25T04:14:01 < dongs> ohh zano has a new trollvideo 2015-04-25T04:14:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTFfB7w_KSU 2015-04-25T04:17:30 < dongs> holy shit ramble ramble ramble 2015-04-25T04:18:09 < dongs> THATS ACTUALLY NOT CONTROLLING THE MOTORS AT ALL 2015-04-25T04:18:43 < Getty> hu? they made videos??? 2015-04-25T04:19:52 < kakimir> zanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozanozano 2015-04-25T04:20:00 < kakimir> zano 2015-04-25T04:20:50 < kakimir> 4:20 time to sleep 2015-04-25T04:21:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T04:21:46 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T04:24:08 < Getty> dongs: WTF? there is a zano flying?! 2015-04-25T04:24:28 < Getty> dongs: does that count now?! 2015-04-25T04:26:26 < dongs> Getty: its not doing anything $10 cheerson doesn't do 2015-04-25T04:26:39 < dongs> and it still doesnt have 15 minutes promised flight time 2015-04-25T04:26:46 < dongs> or a working camera 2015-04-25T04:26:55 < dongs> or working autonoumous flight etc. 2015-04-25T04:28:42 < ReadError> how are they doing the avoidance stuff? LED feedback? 2015-04-25T04:29:56 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T04:29:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T04:30:14 < Getty> dongs: this avoidance stuff? 2015-04-25T04:30:20 < Getty> readerror: yeah thtas what i remember they said 2015-04-25T04:30:33 < Getty> dongs: i thought they already cant put that working 2015-04-25T04:30:53 < ReadError> it worked in the vid 2015-04-25T04:30:59 < ReadError> they where playing handballs with it 2015-04-25T04:32:59 < Lux> seems like zano fails at pid tuning 2015-04-25T04:33:26 < Lux> althold looks horrible for sonar 2015-04-25T04:35:57 < karlp> PaulFertser: yeah, I did just find a bug in freemodbus report slaveied function. 2015-04-25T04:36:16 < karlp> it doesn't correctly include the byte count of the reply. Clearly not a commonly used function! 2015-04-25T04:36:34 < karlp> I was _not_ expecting that :| 2015-04-25T04:46:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T04:48:57 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T04:48:59 < karlp> PaulFertser: https://github.com/karlp/fmb-demo/commit/7770f73f3c0b65e8be6ae50af56333ed07eae5ec 2015-04-25T04:48:59 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-25T04:49:07 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T04:49:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d9f370d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T04:55:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T04:55:47 -!- esmIII [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T04:59:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T05:04:48 < dongs> magic of opensores 2015-04-25T05:05:03 < inca> no kidding 2015-04-25T05:05:26 < ReadError> dongs 2015-04-25T05:05:34 < ReadError> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13183 2015-04-25T05:05:36 < dongs> now lemme fork that project and cleancode it 2015-04-25T05:05:40 < dongs> ReadError: is that teh security shiedl 2015-04-25T05:05:41 < ReadError> you missed my new product annoucement 2015-04-25T05:05:43 < ReadError> ;p 2015-04-25T05:05:45 < ReadError> ya ofc 2015-04-25T05:05:49 < dongs> already tweeted and lol'd 2015-04-25T05:05:52 < dongs> you're behind the times. 2015-04-25T05:06:08 < inca> I just bricked an stm32f429 disco board's STLink 2015-04-25T05:06:15 < dongs> no worries 2015-04-25T05:06:19 < dongs> there's .hexes for that stuff 2015-04-25T05:06:29 < dongs> you can swap the chip if you fried it and reflash 2015-04-25T05:06:54 < inca> I'm too lazy to connect a real stlink to it to fix it 2015-04-25T05:06:59 < dongs> no doubt 2015-04-25T05:07:04 < dongs> i bet you run lunix too 2015-04-25T05:07:16 < inca> windows 2015-04-25T05:07:22 < ReadError> DeFuckUpgrade ? 2015-04-25T05:07:33 < inca> I bricked it running a fucking demo for god's sake 2015-04-25T05:07:35 < ReadError> update 2015-04-25T05:07:39 < dongs> wwwwwwwwwhow? 2015-04-25T05:07:42 < dongs> what did you actually do 2015-04-25T05:08:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-25T05:08:49 < inca> plugged in usb, click build all (chibios demo for the board), click openocd stlink-v2, select config file for stm32f429 board... it doesn't work. fuck around with windows libusb driver. openocd works. 2015-04-25T05:09:15 < inca> click flash run. it gets up to main. click continue. bricked. 2015-04-25T05:09:18 < dongs> > windows libusb driver 2015-04-25T05:09:25 < inca> right 2015-04-25T05:09:27 < dongs> I hope you had a system restore point 2015-04-25T05:09:31 < dongs> your USB stack is now fucked 2015-04-25T05:09:33 < dongs> thanks to unsigned opensores 2015-04-25T05:09:47 < inca> eh... zadig seems to manage well enough 2015-04-25T05:09:49 < dongs> they added a USB filter driver on top of EVERY DEVICE 2015-04-25T05:09:52 < dongs> ahahahahahahahahahahah zadig 2015-04-25T05:10:46 < inca> all horror shows all the time 2015-04-25T05:11:05 < inca> all I want to do is fucking move some bits from here to there and maybe a few back if they don't suck 2015-04-25T05:11:24 < dongs> purchase a j-link edu and/or jlink clone off ebay 2015-04-25T05:11:30 < dongs> fuck that openocd and stlink garbage 2015-04-25T05:11:35 < inca> I have a j-link 2015-04-25T05:11:38 < dongs> then use it 2015-04-25T05:11:44 < karlp> magic of opensores is that it could be fixed, when the author dumped it 5 years ago to start selling it instead. 2015-04-25T05:13:34 < inca> something about segger annoys me. I have an aversion to their style. don't know what it is 2015-04-25T05:13:56 < dongs> maybe its the "our shit works" style 2015-04-25T05:14:01 < inca> probably 2015-04-25T05:14:09 < dongs> you dont feel the need to dick 2015-04-25T05:14:12 < dongs> to get something working 2015-04-25T05:14:19 < dongs> instant turn off for opensaoce dudez 2015-04-25T05:14:41 < inca> isn't that the point of linux? to have broken things to fix? 2015-04-25T05:14:55 < ReadError> jlink was kind of a PITA to setup 2015-04-25T05:15:04 < dongs> ReadError: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 2015-04-25T05:15:11 < ReadError> well i have a bootleg china thing 2015-04-25T05:15:14 < dongs> plugging it in, downloading .exe and using it anywhere was hardr??? 2015-04-25T05:15:55 < ReadError> ulink/stlink i just plug in and shit magically works 2015-04-25T05:16:11 < dongs> duno, so does jlink 2015-04-25T05:16:13 < inca> it's a little bit pathetic that opensource can't repeat what segger has done... even though they've been selling the same shit for a decade now 2015-04-25T05:17:19 < ReadError> i think i want to start using that tagconnect shit on my boards 2015-04-25T05:17:46 < ReadError> seems nice 2015-04-25T05:17:49 * inca installs J-Link 2015-04-25T05:19:22 < inca> now what... I need to translate OpenOCD to segger script 2015-04-25T05:20:11 < ReadError> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/sex/mom-hosted-teen-sex-drugs-party-876421 2015-04-25T05:20:25 < ReadError> Lehnardt, the sponsor told cops, said her daughter “felt guilty” that her boyfriend initiated sexual contact with her mother because “the 16 yr old was 10 inches long and huge” and she could not accommodate him. 2015-04-25T05:23:22 < inca> I agree with ReadError. J-Link is complicated setup. Definitely no drop in, ready go. 2015-04-25T05:24:32 < dongs> .. script what 2015-04-25T05:24:50 < dongs> are you the dude with some weird shit that needs to setup sdram on debug connect 2015-04-25T05:26:11 < inca> yes 2015-04-25T05:26:15 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T05:26:30 < inca> weird external memory shit 2015-04-25T05:26:36 < inca> because who the fuck would do that 2015-04-25T05:29:10 < dongs> next you're probably going to run uclunix on it 2015-04-25T05:31:13 < Roklobsta> that sounds like an accusation 2015-04-25T05:33:27 < inca> me? no wai! even better... we're going to run emWin on it 2015-04-25T05:33:43 < dongs> that's segger garbage 2015-04-25T05:33:47 < dongs> i thought you didnt like them!!1111 2015-04-25T05:33:55 < inca> I don't 2015-04-25T05:34:08 < inca> somebody else does 2015-04-25T05:36:26 * inca wires JTAG to stlink 6 pin swd 2015-04-25T05:36:45 < englishman> ReadError: china hax jlink is kinda complicated to get set up 2015-04-25T05:36:50 < englishman> but i made step by step instructions 2015-04-25T05:36:56 < englishman> no more wading thru forum posts 2015-04-25T05:37:05 < englishman> can run latest jlink sw 2015-04-25T05:38:11 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-25T05:38:21 < englishman> openocd on windows??? 2015-04-25T05:38:37 < inca> englishman: yes 2015-04-25T05:39:27 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T05:42:38 < inca> do I need to do some solder bridge crap in order to flash the stm32f103 stlink on the disco board? 2015-04-25T05:45:01 < inca> no stlink detected for direct usb connection. why did I pick electrical engineering again? 2015-04-25T05:45:54 < englishman> definitely should have stuck with lunix sysadmin 2015-04-25T05:48:21 < ReadError> englishman rink? 2015-04-25T05:48:43 < englishman> hm is tehres somewhere i can post .hex and texts 2015-04-25T05:49:08 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-25T05:49:39 < ReadError> dropbox folder? 2015-04-25T05:50:49 < inca> looks like dongs was right. mangled drivers. awesomesauce 2015-04-25T05:50:56 < englishman> something public but not identifying 2015-04-25T05:51:14 < englishman> il fwd email to u 2015-04-25T05:51:17 < ReadError> ohh 2015-04-25T05:51:19 < ReadError> wait 2015-04-25T05:51:26 < ReadError> englishman that site they use for blheli suite 2015-04-25T05:51:33 < englishman> mediafail? 2015-04-25T05:51:56 < ReadError> oh requires reg 2015-04-25T05:51:59 < ReadError> megaupload? 2015-04-25T05:52:21 < englishman> haha 2015-04-25T05:52:29 < englishman> sent 2015-04-25T05:52:47 < inca> all better. no restore needed. just delete the device manager driver 2015-04-25T05:52:49 < ReadError> ya all i knew it was a PITA 2015-04-25T05:52:56 < ReadError> maybe the real deal is easier 2015-04-25T05:53:28 < englishman> well its all about changing the banned serial number 2015-04-25T05:53:39 < englishman> once tahts done, you can upgrade thru jlink 2015-04-25T05:53:42 < englishman> use all jlink features 2015-04-25T05:53:59 < inca> hmm... openocd doesn't work with the real stlink driver? 2015-04-25T05:54:04 < englishman> wat 2015-04-25T05:54:16 < englishman> doesnt it use its own zadig-based opensores garbage 2015-04-25T05:54:22 < englishman> and you have to destroy your stdink 2015-04-25T05:54:24 < englishman> or something 2015-04-25T05:54:48 < inca> I just fixed it by deleting the zadig driver in device manager 2015-04-25T05:54:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmtiqgjdiyyotfes] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-25T05:57:11 < inca> so STM32 STLink uses WinUSB 1.1.1... let's see what 6.1.76 does for everyone 2015-04-25T05:58:19 < inca> closer 2015-04-25T05:59:04 < inca> stm's software loses it's mind 2015-04-25T05:59:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T05:59:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T06:04:33 < karlp> goddamn asserts, code halves as soon as you add NDEBUG. 2015-04-25T06:04:57 < inca> karlp: gotta love the macro layers 2015-04-25T06:48:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T06:48:38 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-25T07:09:47 -!- rbarris [~rbarris@ip68-4-79-133.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T07:45:10 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13183 2015-04-25T07:45:34 < englishman> so OOLDD 2015-04-25T07:46:05 < GargantuaSauce> fuck 2015-04-25T07:46:24 < GargantuaSauce> good to know readerror's twittersphere overlaps mine 2015-04-25T07:59:12 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T07:59:27 -!- rbarris [~rbarris@ip68-4-79-133.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: rbarris] 2015-04-25T08:22:28 < PaulFertser> englishman: libusb-1.0 on windows uses the regular microsoft WinUSB kernel driver, Zadig is just an installer, come on, stop spreading BS! 2015-04-25T08:22:58 < englishman> unsigned installer 2015-04-25T08:23:06 < englishman> requiring hula hoops 2015-04-25T08:23:09 < PaulFertser> Nope 2015-04-25T08:23:23 < PaulFertser> It's a signed microsoft driver. 2015-04-25T08:24:50 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-99-2.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-25T08:25:37 * akaWolf watching Seventeen Moments of Spring 2015-04-25T08:28:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: libusb-1.0 on windows is not a driver, you're thinking about old libusb-win32 but it's not relevant since long. After microsoft introduced their WinUSB, the libusb library just started using that. No unsigned drivers mess, no anything. WinUSB straight from MS. 2015-04-25T08:29:48 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-25T08:29:58 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f770171.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T08:31:13 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T08:45:11 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, i like how dickfun offers a discount if you buy 100+ 2015-04-25T08:47:32 < emeb_mac> been a long time since I got anything from sparkfun 2015-04-25T08:50:08 < ReadError> i like their usb cables 2015-04-25T08:50:23 < ReadError> the 3-in-1 one 2015-04-25T08:50:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-25T09:03:27 < upgrdman> link? 2015-04-25T09:05:38 < ReadError> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12016 2015-04-25T09:06:04 < ReadError> has a hub in it, so you can use all at the same time if you wanted 2015-04-25T09:06:55 < upgrdman> neat. i saw something like that at fry's, 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joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T14:03:49 < ReadError> ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ 2015-04-25T14:03:51 < ReadError> does that work? 2015-04-25T14:03:56 < trepidaciousMBR2> Wow yeah 2015-04-25T14:04:08 < ReadError> haha 2015-04-25T14:05:32 * trepidaciousMBR2 copies that one for later... 2015-04-25T14:14:33 -!- Devilhol1 is now known as Devilholk 2015-04-25T14:19:09 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-40.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-25T14:19:21 < ColdKeyboard> My device doesn't boot after reset but if I programm it and check "run code after programming" it runs the program like it should :\ How can I fix this? 2015-04-25T14:20:24 < jpa-> use a debugger to see what makes it fail after reset 2015-04-25T14:21:01 < ColdKeyboard> I don't have one at the moment :\ 2015-04-25T14:21:09 < jpa-> how do you program then? 2015-04-25T14:21:17 < ColdKeyboard> usart bootloader 2015-04-25T14:21:42 < jpa-> so, do you pull BOOT0 low when you reset? otherwise it'll just go into the bootloader 2015-04-25T14:22:36 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T14:23:27 < ColdKeyboard> I pull boot0 low after reset and that's when it won't run. When Boot0 is high and after bootloader finishes programming, it runs the code from 0x80000 and it runs smoothly but 2015-04-25T14:23:35 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T14:23:46 < ColdKeyboard> not when I do a reset and boot0 is low 2015-04-25T14:24:08 < jpa-> check your vector table, especially 0x0000 and 0x0004 (stack pointer and reset addr) 2015-04-25T14:26:50 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-25T14:27:17 < ColdKeyboard> Where should I look for that? In linker files or? 2015-04-25T14:30:34 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-25T14:33:32 < ambro718> where does one find gnu linker scripts? The ones that come with STM32F4Cube have a bad licence (you can only use them with some IDE). 2015-04-25T14:34:37 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: in the file you are writing to the flash 2015-04-25T14:36:23 < jpa-> ambro718: they are usually specific to the crt0 you are using.. i think newlib comes with some examples, chibios has ready-made scripts, so does libopencm3 etc. 2015-04-25T14:36:55 < ambro718> I want to use just gcc-arm-embedded with the STM32F4-HAL code 2015-04-25T14:37:08 < ambro718> the bad-licenced one does work though 2015-04-25T14:37:14 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: I have .hex file after compiling but I don't know how to find those vectors in there :\ 2015-04-25T14:37:41 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: use some hex file viewer 2015-04-25T14:38:08 < jpa-> ambro718: maybe just write your own based on it? very little of it is copyrightable 2015-04-25T14:38:23 < ambro718> yeah I'll probably do that, thanks 2015-04-25T14:44:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.83] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T14:46:00 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: I can open it with hex editor but I don't know what (where) I'm looking for? :\ 2015-04-25T14:47:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d406e155.06-327-67626725.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T14:54:08 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-04-25T14:54:20 * superbia is listening to Safe & Sound (Tommie Sunshine rmx) - 074 Capital Cities ::: 074 Capital Cities - Safe & Sound (Tommie Sunshine rmx).mp3 ::: 02:17/05:53 @ 320kbps 2015-04-25T14:55:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T14:57:17 -!- errebino is now known as rbino 2015-04-25T14:59:34 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-04-25T14:59:47 < Laurenceb> new irc spammer mp3 player? 2015-04-25T15:00:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-25T15:00:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.83] has quit [] 2015-04-25T15:03:52 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-04-25T15:11:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T15:12:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T15:20:42 < superbia> its like i wrote a script 2015-04-25T15:20:49 < superbia> but in reality i just manually wrote that shit 2015-04-25T15:25:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.19] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T15:28:33 -!- ehsanv [~chatzilla@2.176.183.18] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T15:31:09 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: address 0x0000 should contain initial stack pointer and 0x0004 the code start address 2015-04-25T15:31:33 < ehsanv> hi. i used an tcon ic (hx8817) and lcd driver (ssd1963) to drive an analog tft lcd (480x234). it's OK when use tcon ic's own color bar tests... but when i want to use ssd1963 to show image on screen, 1/3 of screen is black and nothing show's there :( 2015-04-25T15:32:17 < ehsanv> and plus, i don't know the back porch and front porch for the lcd, how could i get these values? and is my problem because of bad back and front porch values set?! 2015-04-25T15:33:11 < ehsanv> i can picture the results and put links here, if helps 2015-04-25T15:34:31 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: Well it seems that 0x0000=3A and 0x0004=30h 2015-04-25T15:37:09 < jpa-> 32 bit values of course 2015-04-25T15:37:19 < jpa-> (little-endian) 2015-04-25T15:37:50 < jpa-> you can also just post screenshot or paste 2015-04-25T15:38:24 < jpa-> ehsanv: it could be because of wrong vsync settings; trial and error can help 2015-04-25T15:38:41 < jpa-> ehsanv: IIRC front porch and back porch affect the horizontal borders, vsync affects vertical 2015-04-25T15:41:45 < ehsanv> jpa-: what is IIRC? 2015-04-25T15:45:38 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: here is the screenshot of the hex file http://snag.gy/YrZCe.jpg 2015-04-25T15:45:44 < ehsanv> jpa-: ok, thanks 2015-04-25T15:45:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-25T16:05:06 < Laurenceb> http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ujOMp5Q.jpg 2015-04-25T16:06:03 < superbia> u sick 2015-04-25T16:06:05 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: viewing an ihex file with a hex viewer? :))) 2015-04-25T16:06:08 < superbia> see a doctor Laurenceb 2015-04-25T16:06:51 < Laurenceb> hey its not my sign 2015-04-25T16:07:08 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: I'm desperate... I don't know whats wrong with my code and jpa- told me to take a look at .hex :) 2015-04-25T16:07:20 < superbia> kek 2015-04-25T16:08:10 < superbia> +1 for the eclipse 2015-04-25T16:10:57 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: where did you get the ld script from? 2015-04-25T16:11:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T16:12:26 < ColdKeyboard> From Eclipse ARM GCC Plugin :\ 2015-04-25T16:12:42 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: for your specific chip? Is RAM size matching? 2015-04-25T16:13:29 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: I selected 64kb medium density device 2015-04-25T16:13:48 < ColdKeyboard> I also have one from the STM but I can't include (enough) folders to make eclipse work :\ 2015-04-25T16:14:00 < ColdKeyboard> I would code in notepad++ but I like code-complete feature :) 2015-04-25T16:14:55 < superbia> all pros love eclipse <3 2015-04-25T16:15:25 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: what's RAM size of your actual chip? 2015-04-25T16:15:43 < ColdKeyboard> superbia: My sarcasm detector is broken :P 2015-04-25T16:16:11 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: STM32F103C8, it should be 64kb flash 20kb ram 2015-04-25T16:16:45 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: stack pointer is correct for 20*1024 RAM size. 2015-04-25T16:17:16 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: and your reset vector should be at 0x080002e5 which seems sane too. 2015-04-25T16:19:03 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: so what's the exact symptom? You pull boot0 high, talk to the bootloader, flash, it's all fine, reset through the bootloader, your target firmware runs fine. Then you cut power, pull boot0 low, attach power and it doesn't run? 2015-04-25T16:19:04 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: So I guess it included wrong ld script? :\ 2015-04-25T16:19:07 < dongs> im pointing at ur stack 2015-04-25T16:19:26 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: exactly that 2015-04-25T16:19:33 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: you're sure you've got 20kb RAM and you stack pointer is at the end of the RAM, nothing wrong with that. 2015-04-25T16:20:30 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: is it possible your target firmware depends on anything external or some configuration to run? Or is it the most primitive "just turn the led on" one? 2015-04-25T16:21:45 < superbia> dongs: http://images.rapgenius.com/9384168dea991692868f168503f14340.320x240x1.jpg on topmost or lowermost element of my stack ? 2015-04-25T16:22:24 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: I just started learning. It's supposed to init usart, timer2 and gpio, nothing special... 2015-04-25T16:22:42 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: too much for starters I'd say. Try something really trivial. 2015-04-25T16:23:05 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser: I already did blinking led and usar1 in separate projects :) 2015-04-25T16:23:21 < ColdKeyboard> I'm just using Timer2 as timebase for 1ms interrupt so I can have delayms() funstion 2015-04-25T16:23:25 < ColdKeyboard> *function 2015-04-25T16:32:44 -!- ehsanv [~chatzilla@2.176.183.18] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 2015-04-25T16:35:07 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: try turning on a led as the first thing in your firmware - then you'll know if it gets atleast that far 2015-04-25T16:35:16 < jpa-> no need to even blink it 2015-04-25T16:35:45 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: I'm doing it now. Seems that usart1 send string function is causing errors 2015-04-25T16:36:46 < jpa-> buy a 10 EUR discovery board to use as a debugger 2015-04-25T16:36:50 < jpa-> it'll save you a ton of time 2015-04-25T16:37:59 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: Waiting for debugger to arrive :) 2015-04-25T16:38:16 < jpa-> :) 2015-04-25T16:42:40 < ColdKeyboard> Also I would like to check one more thing with you guys, just to check if I got it right. Device clock is 72MHz. If I setup Timer2 as follows: Prescaler=18, Mode=Up, ClockDiv=4, and Period=1000. It will overflow every 1ms? 2015-04-25T16:43:44 < ColdKeyboard> 72000000/(18*4)=1000000 and if it overflows when it reaches 1000 => 1000000/1000 = 1000 so it should be 1ms right? 2015-04-25T16:50:39 < dongs> kooky 2015-04-25T16:51:07 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: why not simply have prescaler=72-1 2015-04-25T16:51:12 < dongs> period = 1000-1 2015-04-25T16:51:18 < dongs> what is this clockdiv shit 2015-04-25T16:52:22 < ColdKeyboard> Basiclly it adds up to the same thing, right? :) 2015-04-25T16:53:20 < dongs> yes 2015-04-25T16:53:25 < dongs> but keep in mind -1 thing 2015-04-25T16:53:33 < dongs> cuz prescaler starts from 0 2015-04-25T16:53:42 < dongs> or else y ou'll end up with like 999ms or omsehit 2015-04-25T16:53:50 < dongs> you';ll see it on the scope if you check. 2015-04-25T16:54:30 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T16:56:28 < ColdKeyboard> Alright, thank you :) 2015-04-25T17:00:33 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T17:05:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T17:15:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T17:20:19 < Tectu> how's Zano? 2015-04-25T17:25:03 < kakimir> is there way to set macro defined amount of nops without using loop 2015-04-25T17:25:48 < kakimir> some precompiler thing 2015-04-25T17:26:05 < zyp> sure, but why? 2015-04-25T17:26:41 < ColdKeyboard> it seems USART1_putch() is hanging my application :\ 2015-04-25T17:26:45 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T17:26:50 < kakimir> I just want macro defined sampling interval 2015-04-25T17:27:01 < kakimir> few nops 2015-04-25T17:27:36 < zyp> what's wrong with a loop? 2015-04-25T17:28:29 < kakimir> when it's about single nops 2015-04-25T17:29:35 < zyp> at that point, you're doing something wrong 2015-04-25T17:29:49 < Tectu> how do you call these things in english? http://de.farnell.com/productimages/standard/de_DE/2295580-40.jpg 2015-04-25T17:30:09 < ReadError> ring terminal 2015-04-25T17:30:25 < Steffanx> no such thing in english: http://en.farnell.com/productimages/standard/de_DE/2295580-40.jpg 2015-04-25T17:30:50 < Steffanx> oh needs en_EN too 2015-04-25T17:30:59 < Steffanx> or whatever farnell uses 2015-04-25T17:31:13 < Tectu> thanks ReadError 2015-04-25T17:31:15 < kakimir> zyp: nope that is accurate sampling 2015-04-25T17:32:29 < zyp> yeah, because instruction timing is so accurate 2015-04-25T17:32:48 < ColdKeyboard> How come usart1_putch() is working after programming but doesn't work after reset? :\ 2015-04-25T17:33:11 < zyp> are you forgetting to turn on USART1 in RCC? 2015-04-25T17:33:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0YzKXiQ.png 2015-04-25T17:34:28 < kakimir> when you have slow mcu let's say 8mhz 2015-04-25T17:35:07 < kakimir> sample timing matters 2015-04-25T17:38:10 < zyp> I hope your 8mhz mcu got deterministic instruction timing then 2015-04-25T17:38:21 < zyp> why aren't you programming it all in assembly? 2015-04-25T17:39:08 < zyp> if you care about instruction timing, you must care about which instructions you're actually executing 2015-04-25T17:42:35 < emeb> wtf is wrong with using a timer? 2015-04-25T17:43:48 < jpa-> kakimir: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ED060SC4_driver/blob/master/gdisp_lld.c#L80 you can use this hack, but everything zyp says is true 2015-04-25T17:44:08 < emeb> zyp: funny story - I got that timer-based SPI/DMA system working so I could use a cheap SPI DAC on an F030. Told one of my clients about it and he got all excited to use low-end CPU for a product... 2015-04-25T17:44:49 < emeb> He started designing, then decided he wanted a better DAC. The price went up to the point where it was cheaper to use an F302 + I2S audio DAC instead. 2015-04-25T17:44:58 < zyp> haha 2015-04-25T17:45:31 < dongs> them cheap asses 2015-04-25T17:45:55 < emeb> Accurate SPI DACs are surprisingly expensive. 2015-04-25T17:46:13 < emeb> once you get > 10 bits the cost goes up over $3-4 2015-04-25T17:46:26 < emeb> s/10/12/ 2015-04-25T17:48:21 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-25T17:48:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d406e155.06-327-67626725.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T17:59:00 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T18:00:59 < ColdKeyboard> Am I forgetting something in this usart1 init? -> http://pastie.org/10113371 2015-04-25T18:01:14 < ColdKeyboard> It works after programming but not after reset :( 2015-04-25T18:03:11 < emeb> enable clocks on GPIOA? 2015-04-25T18:03:33 < ColdKeyboard> RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_GPIOB, ENABLE); is set on GPIO_Setup() 2015-04-25T18:03:47 < emeb> but this is GPIOA 2015-04-25T18:03:59 < ColdKeyboard> Darn it :( 2015-04-25T18:04:09 < ColdKeyboard> This transition from PIC/AVR to ARM is really kicking my ass :) 2015-04-25T18:04:26 < emeb> everyone makes this mistake. 2015-04-25T18:04:37 < emeb> over and over and over... :) 2015-04-25T18:05:19 < zyp> I haven't been doing it for a while 2015-04-25T18:05:20 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T18:05:27 < ColdKeyboard> Thanks guys, now it works :) 2015-04-25T18:05:30 < zyp> but that's probably just because I haven't done a new project recently :p 2015-04-25T18:05:48 < emeb> I always include the clock enable code for every periph I use even if I know that I enabled it in another setup somewhere else. 2015-04-25T18:05:53 < ColdKeyboard> Making backup of this one while it still works :D 2015-04-25T18:05:56 < emeb> that way the code is more easily reused. 2015-04-25T18:07:44 < ColdKeyboard> emeb: I guess you shouldn't enable all peripherial clocks only if you want low power consumtion? :) 2015-04-25T18:08:54 < Geleia> I'm trying to upload new code to a stm32, the st-link says it has been uploaded but the old code continues to run 2015-04-25T18:08:57 < dongs> god damn why is assdroid such fucking garbagfe 2015-04-25T18:09:03 < Geleia> wut is habening 2015-04-25T18:09:08 < dongs> chose a short .wav file as notification 2015-04-25T18:09:11 < dongs> DOESNT WORK 2015-04-25T18:09:17 < dongs> choose a longer .wav file: WORKS 2015-04-25T18:09:56 < dongs> assdroid should realyl fucking allow parametric notification sound generation 2015-04-25T18:09:57 < Tectu> use GAUDIO 2015-04-25T18:09:59 < emeb> ColdKeyboard: yeah - only enable what you'll use. 2015-04-25T18:10:17 < dongs> i just want simple but memorizable beeps/chirps/etc 2015-04-25T18:10:40 < emeb> ColdKeyboard: on the dsPIC the peripheral clocks are enabled by default @ poweron. You have to manually go through and disable the ones you don't want for lower Pdiss. 2015-04-25T18:10:50 < dongs> i could just go wiht some square/saw wave sources + some knobs to dick it 2015-04-25T18:10:58 < dongs> emeb: you should make something and sell it on dickstarter 2015-04-25T18:11:07 < Geleia> damn 2015-04-25T18:11:08 < dongs> oldskool ringtone generator 2015-04-25T18:11:10 < emeb> dongs: make what? 2015-04-25T18:11:12 < Geleia> I'm an idiot 2015-04-25T18:11:16 < ColdKeyboard> emeb: Why is the baudrate halved? I set 57600 but the actuall baudrate is 28800? 2015-04-25T18:11:18 < ColdKeyboard> :\ 2015-04-25T18:11:29 < Geleia> I forgot my nucleo board is also an st-link 2015-04-25T18:11:29 < dongs> < emeb> ColdKeyboard: on the dsPIC the peripheral clocks are enabled by default @ poweron. You have to manually go through and disable the ones you don't want for lower Pdiss. 2015-04-25T18:11:34 < dongs> makes total fucking sense 2015-04-25T18:11:41 < Geleia> the PC must have been burning to the wrong device... 2015-04-25T18:11:46 < dongs> lets turn on everything at power up 2015-04-25T18:11:54 < dongs> and let user t urn it off. 2015-04-25T18:11:56 < emeb> dongs: It's Microchip - what did you expect? 2015-04-25T18:12:11 < ColdKeyboard> dongs: I agree, it's dumb :) 2015-04-25T18:12:16 < dongs> i think they're dying 2015-04-25T18:12:19 < dongs> oh oh 2015-04-25T18:12:25 < dongs> i was chatting to some dude here 2015-04-25T18:12:34 < dongs> he says apparently why microchip has no arm/cortex stuff 2015-04-25T18:12:39 < dongs> arm refused to sell them arm cores 2015-04-25T18:12:41 < dongs> for duno wat reason 2015-04-25T18:12:43 < emeb> dongs: Yeah - got a buddy who works there. Says the place is like a funeral 2015-04-25T18:13:08 < dongs> so they got stuck with that mips garbage 2015-04-25T18:13:31 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-205-128.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T18:13:32 < emeb> Yep - half as fast, twice the power and twice the codespace. 2015-04-25T18:13:33 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have an idea why my baudrate is halved? :\ 2015-04-25T18:13:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d406e155.06-327-67626725.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T18:15:17 < emeb> ColdKeyboard: does your system have the right value for SystemCoreClock? 2015-04-25T18:15:24 < dongs> zano will pull mchp out of death bed 2015-04-25T18:15:32 < dongs> with amazing innovation 2015-04-25T18:16:07 < dongs> actually i duno, thier stock isnt doing so awful 2015-04-25T18:16:10 < ColdKeyboard> emeb: I just left it with the values that stm libraries initialize it to. I guess it's 24MHz :\ 2015-04-25T18:17:11 < dongs> atmel stock on the other hand 2015-04-25T18:17:50 < emeb> Arduino isn't saving the day? 2015-04-25T18:18:02 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T18:18:10 < dongs> circuitmaker openbeta will save the day 2015-04-25T18:18:13 < dongs> for everyone 2015-04-25T18:18:59 < dongs> http://blog.circuitmaker.com/#Blogs/LED-Display-SPI check out this amazing shit you can do 2015-04-25T18:19:03 < emeb> dongs: Android media handling is horrible 2015-04-25T18:19:09 < dongs> emeb: it fucking is 2015-04-25T18:19:13 < dongs> but not surprpise 2015-04-25T18:19:16 < dongs> its based on lunix 2015-04-25T18:19:23 < dongs> probably pulseaudio and/or alsa and/or wahtever other garbage 2015-04-25T18:19:27 < dongs> gstreamer 2015-04-25T18:19:29 < emeb> when you send a short .wav it probably has so much delay that the audio system doesn't power up before the sound is finished. 2015-04-25T18:19:34 < dongs> emeb: haha 2015-04-25T18:20:33 < emeb> http://superpowered.com/androidaudiopathlatency/#axzz3YKodc0ku 2015-04-25T18:21:23 < emeb> It's not pulseaudio, but they have their own custom equivalent "AudioFlinger" 2015-04-25T18:22:20 < emeb> But linux ALSA doesn't help. 2015-04-25T18:22:31 * emeb dislikes ALSA 2015-04-25T18:22:52 < emeb> I used to work on linux audio drivers back when the previous low-level OSS drivers were used. 2015-04-25T18:23:02 < emeb> those were a lot simpler and easier to manage. 2015-04-25T18:25:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T18:26:51 < dongs> i remember tring to understand alsa audio mixer 2015-04-25T18:27:12 < emeb> nightmare 2015-04-25T18:27:24 < dongs> i think most who tried just end up using oss emulation laer to set volume of shit 2015-04-25T18:27:28 < dongs> cuz the native way is obscure as fuck 2015-04-25T18:27:42 < dongs> you have lists of lists of lists or someshit where you get capabilities/some otehr shit, i forget it was like 10+ yearsa go 2015-04-25T18:27:59 < dongs> but it was megadum 2015-04-25T18:28:44 < emeb> Yeah - it's pretty clear that the original architects of ALSA were software guys 2015-04-25T18:29:13 < emeb> they love huge complex structures, lots of HAL layers, pointers to functions, etc. 2015-04-25T18:29:39 < emeb> it was more important to create an "elegant" rather than efficient system. 2015-04-25T18:30:26 < emeb> Granted - the state of PC audio at the time ALSA was designed was pretty fucked up. 2015-04-25T18:30:40 < dongs> duno 2015-04-25T18:30:43 < dongs> asio was around back then 2015-04-25T18:30:44 < dongs> the end 2015-04-25T18:30:59 < emeb> Back then most mobos didn't have onboard audio and there were hundreds of different ways to get sound out of a machine. 2015-04-25T18:31:36 < dongs> yaman i paid like 300bux for sound blaster awe32 2015-04-25T18:31:43 < dongs> non-pnp isa version 2015-04-25T18:31:43 < emeb> dongs: I know guys who design digital audio software for PCs - they *hate* ASIO. 2015-04-25T18:32:01 < dongs> super pro 2015-04-25T18:32:09 < dongs> then got some 30pin simms for 2megs memory 2015-04-25T18:32:17 < dongs> so i could load up some hardcore mod sa mples 2015-04-25T18:32:23 < emeb> yep - who remembers "sound cards" ? 2015-04-25T18:32:25 < emeb> so dumb 2015-04-25T18:32:31 < dongs> tehy still make them 2015-04-25T18:33:37 < englishman> i still got an audiophile-grade onkyo sound card 2015-04-25T18:33:46 < englishman> imported from japan 2015-04-25T18:33:52 < dongs> is that the shit with gold caps 2015-04-25T18:33:57 < dongs> and opamps in sockets 2015-04-25T18:33:57 < englishman> no 2015-04-25T18:34:17 < dongs> wavio something 2015-04-25T18:34:23 < englishman> i think wavio yes 2015-04-25T18:34:49 < englishman> http://www.jp.onkyo.com/wavio/se_200pci_series/ 2015-04-25T18:34:51 < dongs> ii think they use some cretive labs shit 2015-04-25T18:34:55 < englishman> so pro 2015-04-25T18:34:57 < englishman> yeah 2015-04-25T18:35:05 < dongs> > PCI 2015-04-25T18:35:08 < dongs> gtfo 2015-04-25T18:35:13 < dongs> so 1996 2015-04-25T18:35:14 < englishman> well it was a while ago 2015-04-25T18:35:40 < englishman> http://www.jp.onkyo.com/wavio/se_200pci_series/ 2015-04-25T18:35:41 < dongs> at least yoiu can make awesome 3D renderings on your scope 2015-04-25T18:35:42 < englishman> more modern 2015-04-25T18:35:47 < dongs> smae link 2015-04-25T18:35:49 < dongs> but yeah 2015-04-25T18:35:53 < dongs> se3000 probly 2015-04-25T18:35:54 < dongs> er 300 2015-04-25T18:35:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-25T18:36:01 < englishman> http://www.jp.onkyo.com/pcaudio/pciedigitalaudioboard/se300pcie/index.htm 2015-04-25T18:36:02 < englishman> ya 2015-04-25T18:36:12 < englishman> powered by creative 2015-04-25T18:36:16 < dongs> lol 2015-04-25T18:36:19 < dongs> all NRND 2015-04-25T18:36:31 < dongs> both models production finished. 2015-04-25T18:36:40 < dongs> about onyko: dead as *BSD 2015-04-25T18:37:00 < superbia> *BSD is alive 2015-04-25T18:37:02 < englishman> yeah they make budget home theatre receivers now and shit 2015-04-25T18:40:48 < dongs> https://source.android.com/devices/audio/latency_measurements.html emeb 2015-04-25T18:41:29 < emeb> lol - 345ms on nexus 2015-04-25T18:41:51 < englishman> nexus1 is old as shit tho 2015-04-25T18:41:59 < dongs> so is lunix 2015-04-25T18:42:06 < englishman> but it remains old 2015-04-25T18:42:17 < englishman> at least nexus1 has the grace to fucking die 2015-04-25T18:42:20 < ReadError> https://source.android.com/devices/audio/testing_circuit.html 2015-04-25T18:42:25 < ReadError> figured google had better gear for testing shit 2015-04-25T18:42:46 < englishman> rigol ds1102e 2015-04-25T18:42:47 < englishman> pro 2015-04-25T18:43:04 < englishman> maybe android audio is someones 20% projcet 2015-04-25T18:43:15 < emeb> probably the guys doing the testing are just software folk 2015-04-25T18:43:42 < emeb> not hardware engrs who'd know good test equip if they stubbed their toes on it. 2015-04-25T18:44:12 < emeb> but yeah - 30-40ms seems to be about as good as it gets. 2015-04-25T18:44:28 < emeb> would be interesting to see equivalent tests on iOS 2015-04-25T18:44:49 < dongs> the youtube video is even better 2015-04-25T18:44:49 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f95S2IILBJY 2015-04-25T18:44:53 < dongs> dat fucking 240p quality 2015-04-25T18:44:58 < dongs> maybe he reocrded it wiht nexus one 2015-04-25T18:45:15 < englishman> 144p 2015-04-25T18:45:20 < englishman> O.o 2015-04-25T18:47:19 < emeb> http://superpowered.com/latency/#axzz3YKodc0ku 2015-04-25T18:47:28 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-25T18:47:42 < emeb> iOS latency 5-10ms 2015-04-25T18:50:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-25T18:51:20 < dongs> 171ms 2015-04-25T18:51:24 < dongs> on this shitphone 2015-04-25T18:52:06 < dongs> haha 2015-04-25T18:52:10 < dongs> .wav file is 2015-04-25T18:52:15 < dongs> 1542 samples @ 44k/16bit/stereo 2015-04-25T18:52:52 < dongs> or ~0.034036 seconds 2015-04-25T18:53:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.139.100] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T18:54:45 < emeb> 34ms 2015-04-25T18:54:49 < emeb> less than latency 2015-04-25T18:54:52 < emeb> there you go 2015-04-25T18:54:59 < dongs> and i guess thats roundtrip to mic 2015-04-25T18:55:04 < dongs> so playback latency is /2 that 2015-04-25T18:55:05 < emeb> true 2015-04-25T18:55:07 < dongs> but still over file length 2015-04-25T18:55:41 < emeb> dongs: put 150ms of silence at front of .wav file 2015-04-25T18:55:42 < dongs> nright 2015-04-25T19:13:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-25T19:15:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T19:17:03 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-25T19:17:23 -!- ohama [~ohama@cicolina.org] has joined 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2015-04-25T21:00:44 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T21:03:30 < ColdKeyboard> How come if I didn't modify ANYTHING from the standard STM Peripherial Driver library, the baudrate of usart1 is actually 2 times slower than it should be? :) 2015-04-25T21:04:00 < ColdKeyboard> Also library says that it should initialize device in high speed, but it's in 24MHz instead of max 72MHz :) 2015-04-25T21:04:07 < ColdKeyboard> OR did I read something wrong 2015-04-25T21:06:30 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-25T21:09:17 < emeb> did you look in the startup code to make sure it's really enabling 72MHz? 2015-04-25T21:12:33 < ColdKeyboard> It's enabling 24MHz instead of 72MHz 2015-04-25T21:14:46 < ColdKeyboard> Also how can I use printf for usart1? I created putch() to output on usart1 and it's working. What else? :) 2015-04-25T21:18:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Activate_for_moa, yan_ 2015-04-25T21:20:06 -!- superbia1 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T21:23:59 -!- yan_ [~yan@162.243.0.148] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T21:28:48 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T21:32:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T21:37:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-25T21:39:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T21:50:50 < karlp> ColdKeyboard: I forgot how it all works on stdperiph lib, bu you probably need to implement _write like this: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/l1/stm32l-discovery/button-irq-printf-lowpower/main.c#L112-L127 2015-04-25T21:51:04 < karlp> and just replace the "usart_send_blocking" call with the putch() call you write 2015-04-25T22:14:38 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T22:15:16 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-205-128.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-25T22:37:47 < upgrdman> it's becoming painfully clear why so many coding good practices exist. reading through some firmware my boss wrote. entire project is in one .c file. all 6500 lines of it. FML. 2015-04-25T22:39:11 < upgrdman> err, not my boss, one of my boss's bitches 2015-04-25T22:41:54 < _Sync_> YOLO 2015-04-25T22:43:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-25T22:48:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-25T23:24:39 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: Thank you. I'll look at it now. I was afk for a while :\ 2015-04-25T23:44:41 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: Just adding _write() doesn't work :( 2015-04-25T23:48:34 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-25T23:59:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] --- Day changed Sun Apr 26 2015 2015-04-26T00:09:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T00:11:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-26T00:15:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d406e155.06-327-67626725.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T00:31:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-26T00:36:21 < upgrdman> nice http://i.imgur.com/P6s266l.gifv 2015-04-26T00:39:13 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-26T00:45:04 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T00:52:09 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-26T00:57:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-63f170d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T01:00:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-26T01:02:32 < Steffanx> and 20 years old upgrdman :P 2015-04-26T01:06:16 < superbia1> does anyone have a selfie stick 2015-04-26T01:14:55 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T01:16:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-26T01:37:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-63f170d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T01:42:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T02:05:28 -!- LeelooMinai_ is now known as LeelooMinai 2015-04-26T02:08:49 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-26T02:11:38 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2015-04-26T02:12:10 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T02:13:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-26T02:17:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/eZLS6EU.png 2015-04-26T02:17:37 < dongs> http://exiii.jp/eng.html wat 2015-04-26T02:18:56 < kakimir> japs have nuclear weapons 2015-04-26T02:20:14 < ambro718> I'm trying to set up usb serial port but the code stops/crashes here: USBD_Init(&USBD_Device, &VCP_Desc, 0); 2015-04-26T02:20:41 < ambro718> I've copied and adjusted a lot of the example code to get to this point (usbd_{conf,desc}.{c,h}) 2015-04-26T02:21:29 < dongs> using ST VCP demo stuff? 2015-04-26T02:21:45 < dongs> which series ? 2015-04-26T02:21:48 < ambro718> dongs: yes I'm trying to make it work on STM32F429-Discovery 2015-04-26T02:21:55 < dongs> oh F429 2015-04-26T02:22:06 < dongs> are you using example code for F4? 2015-04-26T02:22:18 < ambro718> I'm actually not doing any VCP/CDC yet, just the basic USB setup 2015-04-26T02:22:35 < ambro718> it crashes in USB_Init, before USBD_RegisterClass 2015-04-26T02:22:45 < dongs> have you tried debugging it? 2015-04-26T02:22:53 < ambro718> dongs: I've somehow combined the example code for F4 with the VCP demo 2015-04-26T02:23:15 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-26T02:23:50 < ambro718> in particular the usb_conf.{c,h} is from the F4 example 2015-04-26T02:24:08 < ambro718> uh not yet, I need to set it up 2015-04-26T02:24:14 < dongs> anyway, debug and see. step into usbd_init and find out what its fucking up. 2015-04-26T02:26:23 < ambro718> I was hoping someone would have I hint what I messed up :) 2015-04-26T02:26:32 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T02:26:39 < dongs> nob ody except your debugger knows 2015-04-26T02:27:14 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T02:28:15 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T02:30:02 < Laurenceb> whats a debugger 2015-04-26T02:30:07 < Laurenceb> /tarduino 2015-04-26T02:30:45 < Laurenceb> dongs is doing adverts now http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ujOMp5Q.jpg 2015-04-26T02:31:22 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T02:31:46 -!- dymk [~dymk@2605:6400:20:cbb9:22:6d8:bb6f:9ff5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T02:31:55 < kakimir> do you use filterin with basic rotation encoderS? 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2015-04-26T02:54:54 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-26T02:58:44 < ambro718> arrrgh, fatal error: USBD_CDC.h: No such file or directory 2015-04-26T02:58:49 < ambro718> stupid windows developers 2015-04-26T03:03:06 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T03:07:58 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-26T03:12:23 < Laurenceb> developers developers developers developers 2015-04-26T03:14:17 < ambro718> I enabled the CDC code but still nothing, the device doesn't register on the host PC 2015-04-26T03:15:06 -!- _Getty is now known as Getty 2015-04-26T03:15:44 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-35-226.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T03:17:16 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-83-238.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-26T03:18:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T03:19:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T03:31:07 < dongs> dpes 429 have built in 1.5k pulup resistor for usb 2015-04-26T03:33:03 < ambro718> what should that mean to me? 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2015-04-26T05:59:05 < emeb_mac> heh 2015-04-26T05:59:21 < emeb_mac> guy is probably a mid-level mgr in some no-name indian sweatshop now 2015-04-26T05:59:23 < dongs> http://alumni.nitrkl.ac.in/index.php/cb-profile/userprofile/14535 2015-04-26T05:59:28 < dongs> he did get that masters 2015-04-26T05:59:29 < emeb_mac> wouldn't make a bit of difference 2015-04-26T05:59:32 < dongs> ya 2015-04-26T06:01:03 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-26T06:01:04 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T06:02:26 < emeb_mac> see those pix the other week of finals week at an indian university - relatives scaling the walls to give cheat-sheets to the students inside. 2015-04-26T06:02:33 < dongs> rite 2015-04-26T06:15:27 < emeb_mac> wonder how much of that the developers got 2015-04-26T06:18:07 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-26T06:33:13 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-98-205.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-26T06:48:18 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T06:50:57 < PeterM> yeah but arma 3 you run ural over tiny rock, ural does backflip. arma 3 is good sometimes, buggy as fuck others. 2015-04-26T06:51:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-26T06:52:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T07:25:54 < dongs> PeterM: still no altidong 15.1 2015-04-26T07:27:36 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-224-80.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T07:44:29 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T08:12:21 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-26T08:12:44 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T08:14:09 < Bright> who is satan and what does he have to do with stm32 2015-04-26T08:16:09 < Roklobsta> ARM ISA is the work of the devil, that's what. 2015-04-26T08:37:57 -!- ohama [~ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-26T08:43:03 < englishman> Dongs your dream of fat gabe being hated by the internet are coming true 2015-04-26T08:43:38 < englishman> Almost overnight, steam made the entire blogosphere hate them 2015-04-26T08:49:15 < dongs> oh yeaH? 2015-04-26T08:49:17 < dongs> what did they do 2015-04-26T08:50:04 < dongs> http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/26/valve-adding-pay-what-you-want-option-to-steam-workshop-mods this? 2015-04-26T08:57:36 < englishman> Ya 2015-04-26T08:57:45 < dongs> whats hte tl;dr 2015-04-26T08:57:49 < englishman> $100 for horse testicle mods 2015-04-26T08:57:50 < dongs> i dont actually use steam so i dunno what this implies 2015-04-26T08:57:55 < englishman> 75% to valve 2015-04-26T08:58:04 < dongs> haha 2015-04-26T08:58:07 < dongs> THATs a good one 2015-04-26T09:00:38 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-35-226.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:04:03 < emeb_mac> dongs: did you find a good source for those rgb rotary encoders? 2015-04-26T09:04:29 < dongs> jap shop has them, chinagirl couldnt find any 2015-04-26T09:05:32 < dongs> emeb_mac: so i didnt researc hfurther 2015-04-26T09:05:36 < dongs> wow, dat price http://www.ebay.com/itm/251891252837 2015-04-26T09:05:42 -!- ohama [~ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:06:20 < PeterM> wow, nice 2015-04-26T09:06:39 < dongs> i mean intl shipping kills it but for usapeeps thats pretty good 2015-04-26T09:07:10 < dongs> lol @ people giving them offers 2015-04-26T09:07:12 < dongs> and getting accepted 2015-04-26T09:07:15 < dongs> how much cheaper do they want it lulz 2015-04-26T09:07:23 < emeb_mac> dongs: sparkfun has those rgb encoders for $4 but I could have sworn I saw them cheaper elsewhere. 2015-04-26T09:08:06 < dongs> http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gP-05773/ japz have it for $3-ish 2015-04-26T09:08:13 < PeterM> dongs i thinik if you bought 10 they'd probably drop the shipping to $60 ttal or something, so $6 shipping each is pretty decent 2015-04-26T09:08:15 < dongs> but yeah 2015-04-26T09:09:00 < dongs> i buy 30packs from chinamen for about double that :( 2015-04-26T09:09:39 -!- ohama [~ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-26T09:10:17 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:23:34 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-26T09:37:17 -!- ohama [~ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:42:32 -!- ohama [~ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-04-26T09:44:10 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:45:22 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:45:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-26T09:50:53 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-27-31.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T09:52:43 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-35-226.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-26T09:58:11 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-26T10:02:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-26T10:39:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.218] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T10:39:42 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T11:06:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T11:21:36 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T11:23:55 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-26T11:26:31 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T11:27:16 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T11:30:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-26T11:46:02 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T11:46:09 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-26T11:50:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T12:03:02 -!- Taxman [~sk@chaph.opaya.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T12:12:35 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T12:22:53 < ambro718> I just can't get USB device to work on STM32F429-Discovery. The host doesn't notice anything (dmesg). I think it's an electrical thing. 2015-04-26T12:23:43 < ambro718> shouldn't it be detecting that the cable is connected at least, even if non of the communication is working? 2015-04-26T12:24:07 < ambro718> when I plug the cable the green LED at the USB connector does light up 2015-04-26T12:24:14 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ladjdxcbbftqcbop] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T12:38:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.26] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T12:38:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:03:37 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:08:27 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmoiudvavqzgykgb] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:17:23 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-26T13:19:57 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:22:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-26T13:29:24 < Laurenceb> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/ 2015-04-26T13:33:51 < PeterM> disgusting. i like it 2015-04-26T13:34:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.154] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:36:59 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:38:11 < dongs> what is a 'CLO' 2015-04-26T13:38:19 < dongs> chief lamer officer? 2015-04-26T13:38:53 < specing> chiel loser of the office 2015-04-26T13:38:56 < specing> chief* 2015-04-26T13:38:57 < dongs> what the fuck is that shit even 2015-04-26T13:39:02 < dongs> i read entier page 2015-04-26T13:39:05 < dongs> and i have no idea what they're selling 2015-04-26T13:39:39 < Laurenceb> hint, try F5 2015-04-26T13:41:50 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:42:31 < ReadError> it generates random startup companies 2015-04-26T13:42:45 < dongs> ReadError: http://basic.butt.care/~ohsix/images/peewee/?c3VjayBteSBkaWNr 2015-04-26T13:43:01 < ReadError> ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ 2015-04-26T13:43:41 < dongs> cant_unicode 2015-04-26T13:44:14 < ReadError> use a real terminal then, it works on OSX! 2015-04-26T13:44:23 < dongs> > osx 2015-04-26T13:44:24 < dongs> > real 2015-04-26T13:44:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pfy09ic.png 2015-04-26T13:44:44 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1229:3401:933:932c:eabb:681a] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T13:44:53 < Laurenceb> wtf 2015-04-26T13:45:04 < Laurenceb> oh superscript 2015-04-26T13:45:11 < dongs> super wat 2015-04-26T13:45:23 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/dX9X3.jpg 2015-04-26T13:45:33 < dongs> rolf 2015-04-26T13:45:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-26T13:47:30 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1229:3401:933:932c:eabb:681a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-26T13:50:16 < Tectu> kawaii$ 2015-04-26T13:58:37 < qyx_> lol dongs is using irssi 2015-04-26T13:58:43 < qyx_> much opensores 2015-04-26T13:59:48 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-26T14:01:07 < ambro718> Please help me with my USB-CDC problem. It's not working on STM32F429-Discovery, the host just does not detect a new USB device. I just tried porting the code to STM32F4-Discovery, it works! 2015-04-26T14:01:16 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:01:55 < ambro718> what difference between the chips/boards could be causing problems? 2015-04-26T14:02:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.26] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:03:11 < ReadError> qyx_ putty too 2015-04-26T14:11:47 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-27-31.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-26T14:12:01 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-26T14:12:12 < ambro718> Here's my code.: https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/stm_test.cpp https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/tree/stm-porting/aprinter/platform/stm32f4 2015-04-26T14:32:40 < ambro718> wait this board has the USB port wired to the fucking HS post 2015-04-26T14:32:46 < ambro718> *port 2015-04-26T14:34:34 < ambro718> the schamatics say: OTG_FS_DP-->PB15 OTG_FS_DM-->PB14 which are actually the OTG_HS pins on the chip !? 2015-04-26T14:35:00 < jpa-> ? 2015-04-26T14:35:13 < ambro718> the STM32F429I-Discovery board 2015-04-26T14:35:32 < ambro718> I can't get the USB to work. Same code works on STM32F4-Discovery (STM32F407 chip). 2015-04-26T14:35:39 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-26T14:35:44 -!- Matt_soton is now known as mattbrejza 2015-04-26T14:36:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ladjdxcbbftqcbop] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-26T14:36:44 < dongs> there's 2 usb cores on F4 2015-04-26T14:36:46 < jpa-> ambro718: the usb controller called "OTG_HS" also has full speed usb 2015-04-26T14:36:48 < dongs> the HS one neesd PHY 2015-04-26T14:37:04 < jpa-> i think you can use the HS without phy for fs 2015-04-26T14:37:24 < dongs> i think so too 2015-04-26T14:37:25 < ambro718> I'm using the STM32F429I-Discovery thing, I just need to know how to get the USB port wired there working 2015-04-26T14:37:36 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:37:37 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-26T14:37:45 < jpa-> ambro718: there are two usb ports on the chip, maybe you are trying to use the wrong one? 2015-04-26T14:38:11 < ambro718> yes I remember something about HS_IN_FS_MODE mentioned in those usb_conf "configuration" files 2015-04-26T14:39:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-26T14:39:38 < ambro718> can I just use the HS mode though? 2015-04-26T14:40:11 < jpa-> not without phy 2015-04-26T14:41:48 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has quit [Quit: Departing...] 2015-04-26T14:42:12 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:42:57 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T14:43:21 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:45:04 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T14:45:32 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:46:00 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T14:46:20 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:48:03 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:50:26 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T14:50:54 -!- bradfirj [~bradfirj@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:55:11 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-10.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T14:59:51 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-10.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-26T15:06:20 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-26T15:27:12 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-218-76.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T15:29:32 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-224-80.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-26T15:34:06 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-218-76.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T15:38:11 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-218-76.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-26T15:48:49 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-103-52.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T15:51:08 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-218-76.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-26T16:19:44 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T16:24:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-26T16:25:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T16:27:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3cf570d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T16:35:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T16:53:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.90] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T16:54:59 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T17:10:57 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Or do I have to define it? 2015-04-26T18:16:44 < ColdKeyboard> In project properties I have HSE_VALUE=8000000 defined inside preprocessor 2015-04-26T18:20:59 < jpa-> look into the code of RCC_GetClocksFreq and check if it is doing what you expect it to 2015-04-26T18:21:12 < jpa-> also read the clocks chapter of reference manual 2015-04-26T18:22:01 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-26T18:22:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-26T18:23:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T18:26:05 < ColdKeyboard> For some reason it doesn't have setup 72mhz for Medium_VL devices, even thou it can run on 72mhz :\ 2015-04-26T18:26:54 < ColdKeyboard> If I want to switch PLL (while using HSE + PLL) I have to switch to HSI, disable PLL, change PLL value, switch to HSE and enable PLL? 2015-04-26T18:37:10 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T18:39:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-26T18:41:49 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T18:48:19 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-26T19:10:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T19:11:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.26] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T19:13:09 < Laurenceb> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=609420594293 2015-04-26T19:13:10 < Laurenceb> lolz 2015-04-26T19:13:51 < ReadError> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=69612115395 2015-04-26T19:13:51 < ReadError> omg 2015-04-26T19:13:52 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-26T19:13:58 < ReadError> WORLD'S MOST LOYAL BLACK. 2015-04-26T19:13:59 < ReadError> We use blacks to dream things that matter. 2015-04-26T19:14:22 < ReadError> We searched through a lot of providers and plans to find a good fit for our business. Blackn made it easy to find the right fit for my business and my budget. 2015-04-26T19:14:25 < ReadError> o.o 2015-04-26T19:15:55 < Laurenceb> hahaha 2015-04-26T19:16:41 < qyx_> Your nothing. Confident. 2015-04-26T19:18:03 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T19:19:53 < Tectu> hmm... http://screencast.com/t/KpCxeg8Bn 2015-04-26T19:19:59 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-26T19:25:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T19:30:36 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pecdqvbnfqccyaro] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T19:32:20 < PeterM> Tectu, i see we have the same organizational styles Junk, Junk 2, New Folder, New Folder (2), New Folder (3) 2015-04-26T19:49:26 < Tectu> PeterM, not at all. I never do anything but junk 2015-04-26T19:49:37 < Tectu> PeterM, I am highly organized. junk is really just stuff that I throw out 2015-04-26T19:49:44 < Tectu> PeterM, also not going to be backed-up etc. 2015-04-26T19:52:44 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T19:57:43 < _Sync_> pffft 2015-04-26T20:01:54 -!- errebino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T20:03:09 < PeterM> Tectu, spoken like someone in denial 2015-04-26T20:04:12 -!- errebino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-26T20:05:26 < Steffanx> you've obviously have never been in mr Tectu's room PeterM 2015-04-26T20:07:24 < PeterM> how kawaii is it? 2015-04-26T20:07:52 < Steffanx> c'est tres kawaii 2015-04-26T20:09:03 < Tectu> PeterM, should I take some pictures for you? 2015-04-26T20:09:07 < PeterM> as expected 2015-04-26T20:09:22 < PeterM> id prefernot 2015-04-26T20:10:30 < PeterM> something something mystery 2015-04-26T20:10:42 < Tectu> how comes? 2015-04-26T20:11:19 < Tectu> PeterM, I found a picture from one of my cupboard thingies from probably a year ago: http://i.imgur.com/tCxr8I6.jpg 2015-04-26T20:11:32 < Tectu> it's still the same, just that some of the unlabeled blue boxes now have labels too 2015-04-26T20:12:07 < PeterM> was genuinely expecting something like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/677635/skyrim.jpg 2015-04-26T20:16:45 < PeterM> i think my stuff was that neat for about a week after a big clean up and has progressivly gotten strewn around the place 2015-04-26T20:18:07 < Tectu> PeterM, I took the liberty of taking a picture anyway: http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/9d5d3d643841.jpg 2015-04-26T20:18:14 < Tectu> just moved the chair back - nothing else 2015-04-26T20:19:06 < ReadError> way too organized 2015-04-26T20:20:03 < Tectu> it's not organized. I just don't leave stuff that I don't need anymore flying around 2015-04-26T20:21:32 < _Sync_> can't be a pro 2015-04-26T20:21:43 < _Sync_> http://m.eet.com/media/1155372/291880-jim_williams_in_his_lab_2007.jpg 2015-04-26T20:21:49 < _Sync_> pro lab right there 2015-04-26T20:22:22 < Tectu> yeah, totally productive environment 2015-04-26T20:23:38 < PeterM> i gotta say, mine looks much more like jims than tecus 2015-04-26T20:23:48 < _Sync_> jim probably was more productive than you 2015-04-26T20:23:59 < PeterM> he almost certainly was 2015-04-26T20:26:21 < Tectu> well, when I am doing some hardware work it obviously does look a bit messier too but when I'm done I put all the cables back in their boxes etc. 2015-04-26T20:26:42 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-27-31.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T20:26:43 < PeterM> i mean, i dont think he ever trolled irc, but i wouldnt be surprised if it was newsgroups instead 2015-04-26T20:28:00 < zyp> heh 2015-04-26T20:29:31 < _Sync_> the idea behind his pile of shit was that it is much faster to have everything there than to put shit in drawers 2015-04-26T20:29:43 < _Sync_> especially when you are multiprojecting like mad 2015-04-26T20:31:08 < Tectu> so then show pictures of yours, guys 2015-04-26T20:31:50 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-26T20:33:57 < zyp> that's the idea behind my pile of shit too 2015-04-26T20:34:58 < ReadError> germans have commited suicide after seeing my work bench 2015-04-26T20:35:29 < zyp> of course, there's a sweet spot between wasting too much time searching for stuff in a pile of mess and wasting too much time organizing and putting stuff away 2015-04-26T20:35:33 < Tectu> I'm not german so go for it, ReadError 2015-04-26T20:35:53 < ReadError> Tectu, geographically close enough 2015-04-26T20:36:10 < Tectu> really? That's your follow-up? 2015-04-26T20:36:33 < ReadError> well, its nowhere as clean as yours 2015-04-26T20:37:45 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-86HpX8L/0/X2/CA_01211510392664-X2.jpg 2015-04-26T20:37:46 < ReadError> sample 2015-04-26T20:40:48 < PeterM> this is my "clean" http://i.imgur.com/mCYG12W.jpg computer desk, you can guess what my workbench is like from that 2015-04-26T20:41:48 < PeterM> i thik it would be fairly similar to ReadErrors 2015-04-26T20:41:54 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/rRYHp.JPG <- here's how my desk looks today 2015-04-26T20:42:10 < ReadError> bic pen tube....what are you up to there??? 2015-04-26T20:42:35 < Tectu> how on earth... 2015-04-26T20:42:59 < PeterM> osx86 bruh 2015-04-26T20:43:11 < Tectu> so do you guys make your stuff messy on purpose or...? 2015-04-26T20:43:19 < zyp> no, why? 2015-04-26T20:43:52 < ReadError> lol 2015-04-26T20:43:56 < PeterM> bic pen tube? 2015-04-26T20:44:02 < qyx_> heh, seeed's box? 2015-04-26T20:45:11 < PeterM> the best thing about ReadErrors bench is that its powered up 2015-04-26T20:45:36 < Tectu> oh, I didn't even notice that there was a bench underneath... 2015-04-26T20:45:50 < PeterM> you just give the pile a shove and hope no shorts 2015-04-26T20:46:13 < ReadError> heh 2015-04-26T20:46:29 < ReadError> ya that stuff was a PITA to debug wiring wise 2015-04-26T20:46:35 < ReadError> so i ghettofabbed a 1layer board 2015-04-26T20:48:23 < PeterM> zyp is that a film scanner? 2015-04-26T20:48:35 < zyp> what is? 2015-04-26T20:48:55 < ReadError> label printer maybe 2015-04-26T20:48:59 < PeterM> the most right thing on the dest thats white with black top 2015-04-26T20:49:04 < PeterM> ahh yeah 2015-04-26T20:49:04 < zyp> ah, yeah, that's a label printer 2015-04-26T20:49:06 < Steffanx> yeah was going to say label writer too 2015-04-26T20:49:24 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-26T20:49:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-26T20:50:18 < zyp> I think we scared away Tectu 2015-04-26T20:50:20 < PeterM> i got one of those dymo hand held shits 2015-04-26T20:50:46 < zyp> I bought this for printing shipping labels 2015-04-26T20:51:04 < ReadError> i have a little brother one for printing labels for components 2015-04-26T20:51:09 < ReadError> my handwriting is too bad 2015-04-26T20:51:45 < Steffanx> tectu had to finish home work 2015-04-26T20:52:20 < PeterM> i just use lable shees and a normal printer for shipping lables 2015-04-26T20:52:32 < zyp> ew 2015-04-26T20:52:38 < Steffanx> have one of those ubs label writers too, but no drivers for os x nor lunix, so "useless" 2015-04-26T20:52:44 < Steffanx> *usb 2015-04-26T20:53:00 < zyp> this one has pretty decent drivers 2015-04-26T20:53:17 < Steffanx> brother p-something 2015-04-26T20:53:24 < zyp> does custom cuts of continous tape 2015-04-26T20:53:27 < ReadError> Steffanx, hmm really? 2015-04-26T20:53:31 < Steffanx> yes 2015-04-26T20:53:32 < ReadError> I use my brother on OSX 2015-04-26T20:53:34 < zyp> this is a brother ql-700 2015-04-26T20:53:40 < ReadError> p-something too 2015-04-26T20:53:49 < Steffanx> yes some have drivers, but this one doesn't. 2015-04-26T20:58:35 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T21:01:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.154] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T21:04:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-26T21:14:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmoiudvavqzgykgb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-26T21:19:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T21:31:29 -!- sklv [~sklv@80.229.16.48] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T21:34:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=555&v=x8nbHYOc8ns 2015-04-26T21:34:56 < kakimir> wrong url 2015-04-26T21:35:25 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSnlNZzUzb3hLbTA/view?usp=sharing wound my c2d and it becomes my workstation 2015-04-26T21:39:22 < sklv> s 2015-04-26T21:39:31 < sklv> oops sorry 2015-04-26T21:42:41 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-126-97.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T21:44:29 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-27-31.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-26T21:48:37 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T21:58:22 -!- jadew [~jadew@86.126.1.244] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T22:18:38 < kakimir> what lunix desktop you prefer atm.? 2015-04-26T22:19:29 < Steffanx> opensuse 2015-04-26T22:20:23 < kakimir> desktop as desktop environment 2015-04-26T22:20:29 < kakimir> not as distro 2015-04-26T22:20:54 < effractur> suse :D 2015-04-26T22:21:08 < qyx_> xfce 2015-04-26T22:26:36 < kakimir> xfce it is 2015-04-26T22:31:23 < bvernoux> xubuntu rulez ;) 2015-04-26T22:31:31 < bvernoux> (with xfce) 2015-04-26T22:33:38 < kakimir> mint with xfce 2015-04-26T22:36:48 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T22:52:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-26T23:01:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T23:03:44 < qyx_> Laurenceb: did you see si4468? 2015-04-26T23:03:57 < qyx_> -133dBm @ 100bps 2015-04-26T23:05:13 < Laurenceb> ooh 2015-04-26T23:05:16 < Laurenceb> missed that 2015-04-26T23:05:34 < Laurenceb> but i get slightly better at 200 with 4463 2015-04-26T23:05:38 < Laurenceb> -134 2015-04-26T23:05:51 < Laurenceb> with AFC and dual filters 2015-04-26T23:24:57 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T23:31:33 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T23:33:32 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-103-52.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-26T23:40:03 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-147-206.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-26T23:59:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@71-36-178-187.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Mon Apr 27 2015 2015-04-27T00:00:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.196.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-27T00:02:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-27T00:06:05 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pecdqvbnfqccyaro] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-27T00:07:53 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-27T00:08:36 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-27T00:18:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-27T00:31:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3cf570d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-27T00:35:07 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-147-206.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-27T00:39:10 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f770171.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2015-04-27T00:39:49 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T00:50:23 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-27T00:54:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@71-36-178-187.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T01:01:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-27T01:08:49 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-27T01:15:01 < inca> does anyone know where __IO comes from? 2015-04-27T01:15:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T01:16:30 < inca> volatile 2015-04-27T01:17:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xo8qckXgNNw 2015-04-27T01:17:19 < Laurenceb> lol the comments 2015-04-27T01:17:20 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/04/26/a-deadbugged-gpsglonassgeiger-counter/ 2015-04-27T01:17:35 < Laurenceb> fukin russians … what cant they do? Balance their economy? Not kill and rape their neighbors? 2015-04-27T01:18:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@71-36-178-187.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T01:21:56 -!- DanteA [~X@host-104-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T01:24:34 < kakimir> russians love their portable geigers 2015-04-27T01:25:37 < emeb> Be prepared - you never know when you might come across an abandoned nuclear waste dump. 2015-04-27T01:27:00 < Fleck> ;) 2015-04-27T01:29:30 < Fleck> SD card was SO EASY! :D 2015-04-27T01:29:45 < emeb> spi or sdio? 2015-04-27T01:29:56 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T01:30:25 < Fleck> atmega and sdio? I doubt that ;D 2015-04-27T01:30:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T01:31:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-divzxbdesbwpbrxb] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T01:43:57 < upgrdman> neat http://media.timeout.com/blogimages/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/invisible-bike-helmet-video-GIF.gif 2015-04-27T01:46:25 < emeb> who 2015-04-27T01:46:48 < emeb> 's using atmega on the #stm32 channel? 2015-04-27T01:50:49 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-27T01:51:52 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-27T01:52:53 < Fleck> emeb: [01:17:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xo8qckXgNNw 2015-04-27T01:56:25 < emeb> oh lord 2015-04-27T01:57:04 < Fleck> :D 2015-04-27T01:57:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-27T01:59:23 < inca> is it just me, or are there circular #ifdef dependencies in ST's std peripheral library? 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2015-04-27T03:36:32 < baird> It used to be a case of AUDIOSERVER=remote:0.0 2015-04-27T03:37:04 < kakimir> let's say my lunix workstation is running movie and I want to lay in bed and use my laptop as "soundcard" 2015-04-27T03:37:39 < specing> karolyn may be right 2015-04-27T03:37:54 < Getty> was that ever in question? 2015-04-27T03:38:18 < kakimir> I don't want to learn lunix but it keeps coming 2015-04-27T03:55:39 < dongs> coming in your butt 2015-04-27T03:56:27 < englishman> lunix has audio now? 2015-04-27T03:56:54 < kakimir> not only audio but multiple audios 2015-04-27T03:57:25 < dongs> lol lunix auadio 2015-04-27T03:57:39 < kakimir> they always make new one every now and then 2015-04-27T03:58:39 < kakimir> then they bundle them together somehow 2015-04-27T03:58:57 < englishman> dongs do you have this one http://i.imgur.com/q1xpX3G.jpg 2015-04-27T03:59:28 < dongs> no but reweeting 2015-04-27T04:02:30 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/gWnuaNC.jpg 2015-04-27T04:02:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T04:03:22 < dongs> typical apple watch user 2015-04-27T04:05:41 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T04:06:02 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2015-04-27T04:07:43 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-27T04:08:50 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-27T04:08:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T04:13:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TexaQpO.gif 2015-04-27T04:20:14 -!- Gunirus [sid20073@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yydxvdgkuswnwxtl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T04:20:14 -!- ReadMobl [uid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlmbcjnearleeldg] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T04:21:57 -!- ReadMobl [uid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydvvyvvwgwodmwmc] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T04:22:51 -!- Gunirus [sid20073@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xecpthzkqifbmmyj] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T04:27:56 < kakimir> how is innovation dongs ? 2015-04-27T04:31:29 < dongs> too busy packing to innovate 2015-04-27T04:34:23 < kakimir> norgay? 2015-04-27T04:38:57 < GargantuaSauce> packing fudge 2015-04-27T04:41:20 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T04:41:22 -!- bsdfox_ is now known as bsdfox 2015-04-27T04:56:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T05:42:09 < upgrdman> lolwut http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/26/remember-your-loved-one-by-putting-their-ashes-in-a-dildo-5168393/?ito=facebook 2015-04-27T05:43:40 < dongs> sounds legit 2015-04-27T05:45:56 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T05:49:34 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host64-223-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T06:23:19 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T06:31:30 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T06:38:16 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T06:50:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T06:51:34 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T06:53:20 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@c-73-133-253-215.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T07:05:08 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T07:12:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsN-4-AWz0U 2015-04-27T07:13:00 < dongs> wow 2015-04-27T07:18:04 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-27T07:26:56 < PeterM> why did i watch that 2015-04-27T07:34:38 < zyp> haha 2015-04-27T07:40:52 < emeb_mac> about as realistic as the dude with the hand-wired gps-geigercounter 2015-04-27T07:41:42 < ds2> gps geigercounter? why? 2015-04-27T07:42:23 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T07:43:45 < dongs> so you know when youre getting some rads that youre in japan 2015-04-27T07:45:27 < PeterM> or ua 2015-04-27T07:50:08 < dongs> http://www.tinsharp.com/ 2015-04-27T07:51:24 < dongs> http://www.tinsharp.com/products_list/&pmcId=6f7cf285-451a-4dd9-b7ce-edd7e66fab21.html 2015-04-27T07:51:27 < dongs> wow 2015-04-27T07:51:30 < dongs> sold 2015-04-27T07:51:32 < dongs> much animu 2015-04-27T07:54:11 < PeterM> why no glorious nippon display? 2015-04-27T07:57:44 < dongs> http://www.zipro.jp/kaihatsu.html 2015-04-27T07:57:47 < dongs> these guys are so pro 2015-04-27T07:57:51 < dongs> http://www.zipro.jp/images/kaihatsu/1_02.jpg 2015-04-27T07:57:56 < dongs> is that a hand-soldered LGA module 2015-04-27T07:58:45 < zyp> tom66 moved to jp? 2015-04-27T07:58:50 < dongs> seems 2015-04-27T07:59:08 < dongs> http://www.zipro.jp/images/kaihatsu/4_03.jpg found clone of zyp's board 2015-04-27T07:59:08 < zyp> not enough flux residue though 2015-04-27T07:59:25 < dongs> o wait no rj45 2015-04-27T07:59:27 < englishman> Looks like RF shield? 2015-04-27T07:59:38 -!- DanteA [~X@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-27T07:59:51 < dongs> http://www.zipro.jp/images/view/2_02.jpg 2015-04-27T08:00:33 < zyp> so what do they do anyway? workaround fuckups? 2015-04-27T08:01:09 < dongs> no they're a hardware design place 2015-04-27T08:01:22 < dongs> i guess they're silly enough to list such dumb fuckups on thier homepage 2015-04-27T08:01:23 < PeterM> dafuq is that a resistor array with allthe resitors in series because theycouldnt find the right value? 2015-04-27T08:01:26 < zyp> heh 2015-04-27T08:02:10 < dongs> and they still call shit 'PWB' 2015-04-27T08:04:47 < dongs> ah i emailed htem for some PCBA shit in 2009 2015-04-27T08:05:03 < dongs> thats why i'm in their psam list 2015-04-27T08:05:06 < dongs> they never replied either 2015-04-27T08:05:07 < dongs> kikes 2015-04-27T08:07:01 < zyp> I have a guy that keeps mailing me some marketing spam even though I've mailed him back and told him to fuck off 2015-04-27T08:07:09 < dongs> japs? 2015-04-27T08:07:36 < zyp> nah, dunno where he's from 2015-04-27T08:07:51 < jpa-> i get those too, i call it "spam" 2015-04-27T08:08:09 < zyp> some guy at qualtre.com 2015-04-27T08:08:16 < dongs> looks like the girl from that pcb place that was spamming me in 2010 got replaced by some other dude 2015-04-27T08:08:23 < dongs> i usuaslly just delete the mails so i duno when they changed 2015-04-27T08:08:32 < dongs> at least its a personal spam, i could probly just reply nad tell them to fuck off and the';ll stop 2015-04-27T08:09:10 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:09:44 < zyp> this qualtre guy is also acting all personal 2015-04-27T08:09:57 < zyp> I think last time I literally told him to fuck off 2015-04-27T08:10:17 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:12:07 < zyp> ooh, right 2015-04-27T08:12:27 < zyp> this time it was qualtre, but he's been mailing from other company names before 2015-04-27T08:12:51 < zyp> so either he's bringing his spamlist with him from job to job, or his employer is changing names often 2015-04-27T08:14:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:17:13 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T08:18:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T08:25:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:29:41 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T08:34:49 < jpa-> zyp: or he is a spam consultant :) 2015-04-27T08:37:49 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:40:18 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T08:47:40 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:48:14 < dongs> ok 2015-04-27T08:48:16 < dongs> pro question 2015-04-27T08:48:24 < dongs> i wanna generate a really random number at startup. 2015-04-27T08:48:29 < dongs> suggestions. 2015-04-27T08:50:08 < zyp> does your chip have an RNG? :p 2015-04-27T08:50:30 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T08:50:35 < dongs> no 2015-04-27T08:50:38 < qyx_> i do it hash-drbg style, entropy is fed from the adc 2015-04-27T08:50:39 < dongs> or ADC 2015-04-27T08:51:03 < qyx_> but it depends what "startup" means, some time is needed 2015-04-27T08:51:15 < zyp> dongs, so what chip do you have? 2015-04-27T08:51:17 < jpa-> if it has eeprom, you can just store seed there 2015-04-27T08:51:27 < dongs> has eeprom, but dont wanna bother storing seed 2015-04-27T08:51:33 < dongs> zyp: some 8bit 8pin trash 2015-04-27T08:51:38 < zyp> oh 2015-04-27T08:51:45 < jpa-> storing seed is the least bothersome way to do it 2015-04-27T08:51:57 < dongs> jpa, yeah, already conisdsreed that 2015-04-27T08:51:59 < dongs> still bothersome 2015-04-27T08:52:03 < jpa-> if pseudo-random is enough 2015-04-27T08:52:12 < dongs> i wanna genrate this random seed at startup. 2015-04-27T08:52:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T08:52:36 < zyp> what sort of device is this? 2015-04-27T08:52:39 < jpa-> is there any user input you could use? 2015-04-27T08:52:43 < jpa-> or network traffic 2015-04-27T08:52:48 < zyp> was about to suggest that 2015-04-27T08:52:49 < PeterM> use a low value cap and big resistor charged from pin, counter till pin goes high? 2015-04-27T08:53:03 < zyp> anything with nondeterministic timing should work 2015-04-27T08:53:16 < dongs> zyp, its someshit to detect cable termination 2015-04-27T08:53:41 < dongs> shit starts up, after random delay pulls down a pin, the other end will see it and know something is there. 2015-04-27T08:53:48 < dongs> no idea how its supposd to work 2015-04-27T08:53:53 < dongs> but requirement is this random timing at start. 2015-04-27T08:54:07 < dongs> or i could use a good reason not to do it this way :p 2015-04-27T08:54:09 < jpa-> for that, just using device UID would be enough 2015-04-27T08:54:20 < zyp> «it's dumb» 2015-04-27T08:54:34 < dongs> zyp, already told that 2015-04-27T08:56:05 < PeterM> dongs doesit run on RC or crystal? rc isprobablky shit enough to eb random anyway 2015-04-27T08:56:37 < dongs> ya rc 2015-04-27T08:56:37 < upgrdman> dongs, was thinking about those cheap ass ipad4 lcds. when you buy from chinamen, do they provide any sort of guarantees? like upgrdman: no idea, but those $25 panels were ship from USA 2015-04-27T08:56:56 < upgrdman> ya i know 2015-04-27T08:57:03 < dongs> i've never seen a panel that had dead pixels on it tbw 2015-04-27T08:57:08 < dongs> (of those ipad shits 2015-04-27T08:57:09 < upgrdman> o ok 2015-04-27T08:57:16 < zyp> mine came with plenty of dead pixels 2015-04-27T08:57:19 < dongs> and i went through a few hundreds of htem 2015-04-27T08:57:27 < dongs> zyp, what garbage place did you buy htem from? :) 2015-04-27T08:57:34 < Roklobsta> maybe use rc4 for pr cycle to help m ix bits up 2015-04-27T08:57:46 < upgrdman> pr? 2015-04-27T08:58:02 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/RYGJP.jpg http://bin.jvnv.net/f/GMuwy.jpg 2015-04-27T08:58:05 < dongs> < PeterM> use a low value cap and big resistor charged from pin, counter till pin goes high? 2015-04-27T08:58:06 < Roklobsta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC4#Pseudo-random_generation_algorithm_.28PRGA.29 2015-04-27T08:58:10 < dongs> wouldnt that be same across all devices? 2015-04-27T08:58:21 < zyp> there were a few nondead pixels in the upper left corner 2015-04-27T08:58:26 < dongs> heh 2015-04-27T08:58:38 < PeterM> nah because capacitance tolerance and resistance tolerance, leakage tolerance etc 2015-04-27T08:58:41 < zyp> random ebay seller 2015-04-27T08:58:47 < zyp> got the money back though 2015-04-27T08:58:49 < PeterM> like 10m resistor and 36pf cap 2015-04-27T08:58:52 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, oh, a PRNG. ok 2015-04-27T08:59:18 < zyp> dongs, and afterwards, I bought one from you :p 2015-04-27T08:59:25 < jpa-> Roklobsta: doesn't help if he doesn't want to store a seed :) 2015-04-27T08:59:36 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T09:06:19 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvcfmhvsulstbqge] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T09:18:55 < Roklobsta> maybe there is a way to use the adc to sample some thermal noise then feed into prng 2015-04-27T09:19:28 < jpa-> the adc which isn't there? 2015-04-27T09:19:31 < Roklobsta> ah 2015-04-27T09:19:49 < dongs> yeah adc isnt there 2015-04-27T09:19:55 < dongs> rc might be random enough i think 2015-04-27T09:20:18 < Roklobsta> 20% tolerance R and a shitty electrolytic 2015-04-27T09:20:26 < jpa-> one could also add another asynchronous rc oscillator to do some randomness, but seems silly for such a silly feature 2015-04-27T09:20:49 < dongs> i dont think it s gonna work at all but he claims it will 2015-04-27T09:21:00 < dongs> and it all hangs on all the devices taking a random delay on startup.. 2015-04-27T09:21:17 < Roklobsta> what is the rnd used for? 2015-04-27T09:21:30 < dongs> "to delay startup" 2015-04-27T09:22:10 < Roklobsta> what is the range of delay desired? 2015-04-27T09:22:20 < jpa-> if it is a bidirectional pulled-up bus, you could use the 1-wire way of device discovery 2015-04-27T09:22:52 < Roklobsta> just use superlow tolerance R and C 2015-04-27T09:22:57 < dongs> jpa-: which is wat 2015-04-27T09:23:49 < Roklobsta> are you trying to spread the startup times across a set of devices or have a startup time that changes a lot each instance on an isolated device? 2015-04-27T09:24:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T09:24:43 < jpa-> dongs: master transmits an address mask, everyone starts responding; the bits are ordered like (bit 7 high), (bit 7 low), (bit 6 high), (bit 6 low), ...; then if both high and low are 0, you know there are two devices with different value for that bit; then the master will rescan with a more specific mask 2015-04-27T09:24:53 < jpa-> requires unique ids for the devices though 2015-04-27T09:25:03 < dongs> ah right, and requires comms to actualyol work 2015-04-27T09:25:07 < dongs> this is literally just pull up or pull down 2015-04-27T09:25:27 < jpa-> what does the random delay accomplish? 2015-04-27T09:25:42 < Roklobsta> no contention 2015-04-27T09:25:45 < Roklobsta> presumably 2015-04-27T09:25:45 < dongs> jpa, so that not all of htem pull the stuff at once after whole thing is powered on 2015-04-27T09:25:48 < dongs> ^ 2015-04-27T09:26:03 < Roklobsta> RC on reset circuit 2015-04-27T09:26:41 < Roklobsta> with crummy R and C tolerances 2015-04-27T09:26:54 < jpa-> dongs: what would it matter if they all pull at once? 2015-04-27T09:26:54 < dongs> right heh 2015-04-27T09:27:09 < dongs> jpa, then it wouldnt work or osmething 2015-04-27T09:27:12 < dongs> i dont know 2015-04-27T09:27:48 < jpa-> do they pull for just a short time? how short? 2015-04-27T09:28:32 < dongs> i doint even understand how its supposed to wokr. you have a bunch of boards wired AB->AB->AB->AB in a line, the 1st A and last B should " know" they're the start/stop. 2015-04-27T09:28:54 < dongs> i said to just plug in a plug with resistor into the far ends but... 2015-04-27T09:29:04 < dongs> apparently wasting $ on a MCU and retarded autodetection scheme is smrter... 2015-04-27T09:29:15 < Roklobsta> are there any registers in the cpu in a random state at reset or powerup? 2015-04-27T09:29:18 < jpa-> umm.. i can't see why that would need a delay 2015-04-27T09:29:59 < jpa-> can't you just put a pulldown on the A and smaller value pull-up on the B? 2015-04-27T09:30:11 < jpa-> then if you see A pulled down immediately on boot you know you are the first 2015-04-27T09:30:20 < jpa-> then delay X milliseconds and start pulling B down 2015-04-27T09:30:22 < dongs> its only one wire 2015-04-27T09:30:26 < dongs> between all of htem 2015-04-27T09:30:53 < jpa-> ummm 2015-04-27T09:31:05 < jpa-> how on earth could it know what is first and what is last if they all connect to same wire? 2015-04-27T09:31:13 < dongs> thats what i said... 2015-04-27T09:31:33 < PeterM> i mean, yu could count how many there were but not who was firs and lst 2015-04-27T09:31:54 < jpa-> dongs: why not just wire them in series then? 2015-04-27T09:32:01 < jpa-> then it would actually work 2015-04-27T09:32:12 < dongs> jpa, they're already ins eires AB is like plugs right 2015-04-27T09:32:14 < dongs> so its like 2015-04-27T09:32:31 < dongs> empty>A B-------------->A B---------->A B-------------> 2015-04-27T09:32:33 < PeterM> draw a diagram or some shit 2015-04-27T09:32:34 < jpa-> so it is not the same wire or is it? 2015-04-27T09:32:38 < dongs> empty>A B-------------->A B---------->A B------------->A B it is 2015-04-27T09:32:47 < jpa-> is A and B connected together on the device connector? 2015-04-27T09:32:54 < PeterM> the wire is connected striahgt thru? 2015-04-27T09:33:05 < dongs> i think so, lemme see 2015-04-27T09:33:20 < jpa-> maybe make it not connected :) 2015-04-27T09:33:40 < dongs> oh, okay, its not connected on device 2015-04-27T09:33:45 < dongs> but it is same wire over the plug 2015-04-27T09:33:49 < dongs> different pullup on A/B parts. 2015-04-27T09:34:52 < dongs> trying to get a pic 2015-04-27T09:40:46 < Roklobsta> is this i2c like? 2015-04-27T09:40:51 < dongs> no 2015-04-27T09:41:06 < dongs> thers no comms on it 2015-04-27T09:41:08 < dongs> its just pull up or pull donw 2015-04-27T09:41:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qkE36IZ.jpg 2015-04-27T09:43:53 < dongs> i've no idea how its supposed to work 2015-04-27T09:44:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.69] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T09:44:43 < _Sync_> does it really need to be random delay dongs? 2015-04-27T09:45:38 < dongs> i guess so for the purpose of htem not doing the same shit at startup 2015-04-27T09:46:00 < jpa-> you could just have everyone pull A after 10 milliseconds and B after 20 milliseconds 2015-04-27T09:46:19 < jpa-> because the devices are not connected together longer than that, it doesn't matter if somewhere else someone else pulls B at the same time 2015-04-27T09:47:34 < _Sync_> can't you read pin state on boot up if it is high wait 2015-04-27T09:47:37 < _Sync_> if it stays high 2015-04-27T09:47:40 < _Sync_> pull B down 2015-04-27T09:47:51 < _Sync_> which then propagates through the chain 2015-04-27T09:47:52 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T09:48:08 < _Sync_> ah kek no 2015-04-27T09:48:22 < _Sync_> but without the delay that'd work 2015-04-27T09:48:59 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-27T09:50:13 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-27T09:50:42 < jpa-> no need to actually propagate anything, as it just wants to detect whether A or B is unconnected 2015-04-27T09:52:18 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T09:52:27 < _Sync_> yeah 2015-04-27T09:53:49 < jpa-> 1. pull A down 2. sleep 5 ms 3. check B 4. sleep 5 ms 5. unpull A, pull B 6. sleep 5 ms 7. check A 8. sleep 5 ms 9. unpull B 2015-04-27T09:53:59 < Roklobsta> random backup like ethernet 2015-04-27T09:54:03 < Roklobsta> backoff 2015-04-27T09:54:08 < jpa-> no need to do any random shit 2015-04-27T10:04:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.69] has quit [] 2015-04-27T10:05:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.69] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T10:07:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T10:07:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T10:08:41 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2015-04-27T10:26:20 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T10:34:46 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-27T10:34:51 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.69] has quit [] 2015-04-27T10:35:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.69] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T10:50:09 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T10:54:17 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T10:56:49 < dongs> http://www.grainger.com/category/ecatalog/N-1z09a64 2015-04-27T10:57:24 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T11:00:48 < Roklobsta> is that where ISIS get them from? 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2015-04-27T12:18:40 < ambro718> I cannot find in the datasheed whether the IF acts as a trigger for the interrupt 2015-04-27T12:24:16 < jpa-> my guess: yes, you need to clear it 2015-04-27T12:26:24 < ambro718> yeah that was my suspicion when I saw my application froze 2015-04-27T12:26:35 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-27T12:26:59 < ambro718> the docs really do just say that a compare match triggers the interrupt and sets the flag, without any indication the flag also triggers the interrupt 2015-04-27T12:27:46 < jpa-> well, that's generally what interrupt flags do :) 2015-04-27T12:27:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T12:28:23 < jpa-> atleast in stm32, most interrupts are level-sensitive on the interrupt flag 2015-04-27T12:28:48 < ambro718> I see, thanks 2015-04-27T12:34:40 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T12:39:00 < ambro718> When I run st-flash it always fails the first time and then I run it again and it succeeds, why? 2015-04-27T12:40:01 < ambro718> it looks like this, http://ideone.com/49QnYK 2015-04-27T12:40:26 < ambro718> now my code runs, when I need to flash an updated build, I do the same thing again 2015-04-27T12:42:57 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-27T12:48:48 < jpa-> use openocd, texane/stlink is pretty random 2015-04-27T12:51:33 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 2015-04-27T12:54:49 < ambro718> I don't have good experiences with openocd, too much manual scripting and head bashing needed 2015-04-27T12:55:39 < jpa-> yeah, figuring out the command line options can be annoying 2015-04-27T12:55:44 < jpa-> copypaste from here: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example/blob/master/Makefile 2015-04-27T12:56:48 < ambro718> the two things I need are uploading the firmware, and uploading the firmware and proceeding to debug. I don't want to type more than one command for any of those things. 2015-04-27T12:57:08 < jpa-> yes, so put them in your makefile 2015-04-27T12:57:09 < ambro718> thanks... 2015-04-27T12:57:52 < ambro718> jpa-: this is all - openocd has the references chip support stuff? 2015-04-27T12:58:20 < jpa-> yeah the files on line 10, "stlink-v1.cfg" etc. come with openocd 2015-04-27T12:58:45 < jpa-> you may have to modify that line to match the version of stlink (v1 or v2, v1 only on F1 discovery) you have and the cpu you are programming 2015-04-27T12:58:51 < ambro718> I see 2015-04-27T12:59:35 -!- green1 [~guest@unaffiliated/green1] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T13:03:44 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-27T13:12:59 < karlp> jpa-: newert openocd you can drop the target/stm32xxx_stlink, the files are empty and just source the plain target files now. 2015-04-27T13:13:10 < karlp> and you can use "Command: program filename [verify] [reset] [exit] [offset]" instead of the flash write stuff manually. 2015-04-27T13:13:54 < karlp> eg: http://openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Programming.html#Flash-Programming 2015-04-27T13:14:32 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T13:17:31 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, i get told that every time 2015-04-27T13:17:53 < jpa-> but if i change it, then the people who i tell to copy-paste will be "i'm using this year old version from apt-get, why not work" 2015-04-27T13:18:15 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T13:18:16 < karlp> at least the stm32f1x_stlink.cfg is totally deprecated, the flash stuff will keep working, (program is just a wrapper around them) 2015-04-27T13:20:38 < jpa-> karlp: do you know since what version the _stlink is not needed, i.e. normal .cfg works for stlink? 2015-04-27T13:20:55 < PaulFertser> jpa-: Debian unstable got 0.9.0-rc1 already ;) 2015-04-27T13:21:43 < jpa-> i kind of agree with the people who don't want to spend hours getting openocd to work and figuring what options to use for their specific version :) 2015-04-27T13:22:28 < PaulFertser> I think we're trying hard to keep it reasonably backwards-compatible. 2015-04-27T13:22:55 < jpa-> i think you are succeeding :) 2015-04-27T13:23:15 < jpa-> but that also means that i'll be using these "deprecated" commands and files because they work :) 2015-04-27T13:23:57 < karlp> you can keep doing it, I just want to let the people youtell know that there may be other options :) 2015-04-27T13:24:17 < jpa-> :) 2015-04-27T13:24:55 -!- green11 [~guest@103.247.48.151] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T13:26:17 -!- green1 [~guest@unaffiliated/green1] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T13:29:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.132.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-27T13:49:12 < Fleck> so, suggest ethernet module to use with F031 2015-04-27T13:50:54 < qyx_> f031 with eth mac + phy costs probably more than f107/f407 with phy 2015-04-27T13:52:59 < dongs> definitely 2015-04-27T13:53:00 < ambro718> I have a problem related to floats. I've written my own function for printing a double[1] which I consider working (x86_64, cortex-m3), but it's not working right with the STM32F4 chip I'm testing with. What could be the problem? I have already fixed the linker script which made sprintf("%g") work but I would like to know why my function is broken. [1] https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/math/FloatTools.h#L89 [2] http:// 2015-04-27T13:53:02 < ambro718> stackoverflow.com/a/28761856/1020667 2015-04-27T13:53:04 < jpa-> also i wonder what ethernet-based design is simple enough that F031 makes sense 2015-04-27T13:53:15 < dongs> pingflooder 2015-04-27T13:53:39 < jpa-> ambro718: how does it fail? 2015-04-27T13:53:50 < Fleck> F031 cause 6x USART's 2015-04-27T13:54:07 < ambro718> I'm compiling with: -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 -mfloat-abi=hard BUT it also fails the same way with just -mcpu=cortex-m3 2015-04-27T13:55:07 < ambro718> jpa-: prints the wrong result. Instead of 20 it prints 20.14558, instead of 30 30.21837. For bigger or smaller numbers (don't know the exact range) it just prints 0. 2015-04-27T13:55:08 < karlp> Fleck: what f031 are you looking at with 6 usarts? 2015-04-27T13:55:10 < dongs> fleck, hang some http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PC16550DN%2FNOPB/PC16550DN%2FNOPB-ND/213002 off a gpio port 2015-04-27T13:55:49 < jpa-> ambro718: what is the idea of line 113? 2015-04-27T13:55:56 < Fleck> 1 UART in DIP40? :D 2015-04-27T13:56:14 < Fleck> karlp: maybe 8... 2015-04-27T13:56:26 < dongs> https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8041/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-12m 2015-04-27T13:56:36 < qyx_> Fleck: bitbang them! 2015-04-27T13:57:09 < jpa-> ambro718: why does it raise 10 to the power of frac_part + 5? 2015-04-27T13:57:10 < karlp> Fleck: no really, what? are you doing software usarts are you? 2015-04-27T13:58:32 < ambro718> jpa-: the idea is to multiply the value with a power of 10 so that it is in a desired range, then you can cast it to an integer and extract the digits from the integer 2015-04-27T13:58:38 < ambro718> jpa-: where +5? 2015-04-27T13:58:51 < dongs> all the F0x0 i see on ST site are max 4 uarts 2015-04-27T13:58:57 < dongs> where hte fuck do you see 6? 2015-04-27T13:58:59 < karlp> f031 is 1 solitary usart, 2015-04-27T13:59:11 < karlp> that's what I was asking, what f03x is 6 usarts?! 2015-04-27T13:59:22 < jpa-> ambro718: pow(10.0, ff - ep) where ff is the fractional part of f, which is some strange constant 2015-04-27T13:59:22 < ambro718> jpa-: generally first it computes what power-of-10 to multiply by, then does that with pow().. I forgot the exact details, but I think the bug is not this code but something else misbehaving. 2015-04-27T13:59:48 < jpa-> ambro718: well instrument the code, i.e. print intermediate values and compare to your working version 2015-04-27T13:59:55 < Fleck> karlp: yes, sorry f030 2015-04-27T13:59:58 < jpa-> then bisect until you find the problem 2015-04-27T14:00:05 < dongs> Fleck: ? 2015-04-27T14:00:25 < jpa-> ambro718: also note that doubles on Cortex-M4 do not use the FPU at all 2015-04-27T14:00:29 < jpa-> ambro718: it will be crazy slow 2015-04-27T14:00:35 < qyx_> Fleck: see the product selection matrix/table on st.com 2015-04-27T14:00:42 < ambro718> I know this is not performance critical 2015-04-27T14:00:47 < dongs> fleck max 4 on there too. 2015-04-27T14:01:16 < Fleck> I need 4 2015-04-27T14:01:37 < karlp> the table shows 6 or 8, but the product selector only ever goes to 4, on the f071.. 2015-04-27T14:02:01 < karlp> hhuh, f030cc has 6 2015-04-27T14:02:10 < karlp> product selector lying bullshit weird 2015-04-27T14:02:17 < qyx_> hm 2015-04-27T14:02:18 < dongs> fleck, F107 has 5 usarts and ethernet 2015-04-27T14:06:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.209] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T14:06:43 < Fleck> yeah 2015-04-27T14:10:12 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T14:13:23 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-27T14:16:26 < ambro718> jpa-: something like this is going on there... 1) use frexp to express x==m*2^e where f in [0,1) and integer e 2) x==m*10^f (f generally not integer, 0.30102==log_base_10(2)) 3) use modf to split exponent f into integer 'fi and fractional parts 4) multiply x with 10^(ff-ep) 2015-04-27T14:16:28 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T14:16:49 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-126-97.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has left ##stm32 ["Konversation terminated!"] 2015-04-27T14:16:55 < ambro718> .. into integer 'fi' and fractional 'fp' parts 4) multiply x with 10^(ff-ep) (ep affects the precision) 2015-04-27T14:17:04 < ambro718> if you're interested :) 2015-04-27T14:17:41 < ambro718> then we cast the thing to an integer and extract digits while printing them, putting the dot in the right place and the exponent at the end 2015-04-27T14:18:58 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T14:23:47 < ambro718> Is Cortex-M4 backward compatible with M3? 2015-04-27T14:27:51 < karlp> only in 2nd and 3rd quarters of the moon. 2015-04-27T14:27:53 < jpa-> cortex-m4 will run any code that m3 runs, yes 2015-04-27T14:28:38 < ambro718> so it doesn't make sense that my code doesn't work on M4 when compiled as M3, when it runs perfectly on M3 compiled as M3 2015-04-27T14:28:58 < karlp> are you sure you're compiling and linking with the same flags? 2015-04-27T14:30:11 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T14:31:09 < ambro718> yes: -mcpu=cortex-m3 -mthumb -fno-math-errno -fno-trapping-math -O2 -T"${LINKER_SCRIPT}" -nostartfiles -Wl,--gc-sections -specs=nano.specs -u _printf_float 2015-04-27T14:31:41 < ambro718> -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections 2015-04-27T14:32:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-27T14:42:46 < specing> why are you not trapping math? 2015-04-27T14:44:22 < PeterM> karlp, st says STM32F030CC and STM32F030RC exist and are "Active: Product is in volume production" but findchips and octopart say no distributors have heard of them. 2015-04-27T14:46:29 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-27T14:46:41 < ambro718> specing: for speed, and because I don't want traps from FP ops 2015-04-27T14:48:24 < ambro718> I just compiled rand ran the same thing for STM32F407 (rather than STM32F429), it works !? 2015-04-27T14:49:00 < karlp> PeterM: yeah, threw me as well, none of the product selector matrices list the high uart counts, but you can download datasheets for them and find them in the "device overview" tables. 2015-04-27T14:50:11 < ambro718> also with -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 -mfloat-abi=hard 2015-04-27T14:50:51 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T14:52:32 < ambro718> why would it not work on 429? Could it be a problem with the linker scripts or startup code? Here's my two linker scripts, they're the same except for memory ranges. https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/tree/stm-porting/aprinter/platform/stm32f4 2015-04-27T15:03:04 < karlp> where did you get that from? 2015-04-27T15:04:42 -!- bezoka [~AndChat44@37.30.241.169.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:04:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-divzxbdesbwpbrxb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-27T15:04:57 < ambro718> I assembled it from various sources 2015-04-27T15:07:30 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T15:09:04 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:09:12 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:09:59 < ambro718> I made a diff of the two startup files from Cube/Drivers/CMSIS, they're the same except for extra IRQ handlers 2015-04-27T15:11:20 -!- bezoka [~AndChat44@37.30.241.169.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-04-27T15:14:35 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:15:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:15:23 < ambro718> could it be due to a difference in the CPU core? 2015-04-27T15:17:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T15:23:46 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:26:14 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-27T15:29:55 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:33:44 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:38:12 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-27T15:41:33 < ambro718> So my code starts working on 429 as well when I remove -ffunction-sections 2015-04-27T15:49:08 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:49:08 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-27T15:49:08 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T15:56:47 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T15:58:15 -!- green11 [~guest@103.247.48.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-27T15:59:58 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-27T16:08:17 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-27T16:11:17 < karlp> fucking "standards" 2015-04-27T16:11:36 < karlp> one device does block check char with a straight sum, one does it with xor sum. no idea how to tell which is which 2015-04-27T16:16:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-27T16:20:56 < _Sync_> try both karlp 2015-04-27T16:30:48 < PeterM> dongs you do lot of "production" you can probably answer this question - i've got a few misc reels of resistors and the tape is white plastic rather thanwhite paper, do you know which manufacturer packages their resistors like this? (they aren't on their origonal reels, i re-reeled them at some stage) 2015-04-27T16:33:33 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-27T16:36:55 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-04-27T16:37:08 < _Sync_> some do PeterM 2015-04-27T16:37:11 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184.175.46.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T16:37:16 < _Sync_> can't really pinpoint it 2015-04-27T16:41:18 < Steffanx> i think dongs is too busy leeching. wvshare downloads going with 3kbps 2015-04-27T16:45:09 < ambro718> I suspect my chip is broken. Would someone be so friendly and try my binary on a STM32F429I-Discovery? You'd just need to flash it and issue 2 commands over usb serial. 2015-04-27T16:46:31 < ambro718> here's the binary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/br260183cvji7jv/aprinter-nixbuild.bin?dl=0 2015-04-27T16:47:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T16:55:39 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2015-04-27T16:57:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.81] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T16:59:37 < karlp> _Sync_: yeah, that's what I think I'm going to hve to do, run both, as long as one of them passes, it's ok. a bit shitty though. 2015-04-27T17:00:25 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:02:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-27T17:08:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:19:47 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-27T17:22:37 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-27T17:27:15 < jpa-> does someone know what is the purpose of the third wire on the "control" connector on a cheap brushless ESC? 2015-04-27T17:27:39 < englishman> third wire? 2015-04-27T17:27:44 < englishman> theres usually 3 2015-04-27T17:27:50 < englishman> inpout signal, 5v output and gnd 2015-04-27T17:28:02 < englishman> 5v output is aka "bec" or battery eliminator circuit 2015-04-27T17:28:15 < jpa-> humm, what is it used for? 2015-04-27T17:28:21 < englishman> cuz old gas guys needed a battery to run their receiver 2015-04-27T17:28:28 < BrainDamage> to supply the controller 2015-04-27T17:28:31 < jpa-> ah 2015-04-27T17:28:41 < englishman> electric guys also had 2 batteries, one flight and one RX, an ESC with BEC meant you had one less battery 2015-04-27T17:28:52 < jpa-> i was kind of hoping for speed feedback :) 2015-04-27T17:29:14 < BrainDamage> you want one with i2c or similar bidirectional busses 2015-04-27T17:29:30 < englishman> yeah 2015-04-27T17:29:32 < englishman> or esc32 2015-04-27T17:29:42 < jpa-> yeah, though i only need it initially for testing 2015-04-27T17:29:57 < jpa-> so i'll just measure the speed using external means 2015-04-27T17:31:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:37:31 < Laurenceb__> third arm 2015-04-27T17:37:47 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:43:59 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:44:40 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhgodwleoayfmfsr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:45:09 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:46:29 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-27T17:48:08 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:54:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3cf570d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T17:56:11 < ReadError> dongs http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=69612115395 2015-04-27T17:57:53 < Laurenceb__> anyone know any good software for editing eps files? 2015-04-27T17:58:09 < karlp> why are you still dicking around with eps?! 2015-04-27T17:58:27 < Laurenceb__> cuz journals 2015-04-27T17:58:41 < Laurenceb__> inkscape sort of works 2015-04-27T17:58:42 < gxti> inkscape ololol 2015-04-27T17:58:50 < Laurenceb__> but its really annoying 2015-04-27T17:58:52 < Steffanx> inkscape can open them, not not really edit can it? 2015-04-27T17:58:58 < Laurenceb__> it can edit 2015-04-27T17:59:07 < Laurenceb__> but everything is an element 2015-04-27T17:59:23 < Laurenceb__> so id have to change over 9000 elements to alter my line properties 2015-04-27T17:59:47 < Steffanx> better redo what you're doing in proper software or properly generated 2015-04-27T18:00:07 < Laurenceb__> its third party graphics :-/ 2015-04-27T18:01:08 < gxti> better use Real Pro Designer Soft 2015-04-27T18:01:22 < Steffanx> Illustrator does work. 2015-04-27T18:02:28 < Steffanx> inkscape is weird on X11 depending software 2015-04-27T18:02:42 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2015-04-27T18:02:50 < Laurenceb__> ill try illustrator on windozer7 2015-04-27T18:05:41 < superbia> krita 2015-04-27T18:07:04 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-27T18:08:39 < BrainDamage> ipe 2015-04-27T18:09:41 < ambro718> I've tried debugging my problem with some double calculations that work on 407 but fail on 429 and have discovered that modf(2.1072099696478683, ..) returns the wrong result 0.10720872881524457 but the right one is 0.1072099696478683 2015-04-27T18:09:58 -!- dirty_d [~dirty_d@50-205-178-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T18:10:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T18:10:25 < ambro718> this is not just rounding, the error is only on the 6th decimal digit 2015-04-27T18:10:39 < dirty_d> anyone else get this error with the latest libopencm3? "fatal error: stdint.h: No such file or directory # include_next " 2015-04-27T18:13:17 < jpa-> sounds like your include path is messed up 2015-04-27T18:13:25 < jpa-> that's a standard C header 2015-04-27T18:14:37 < jpa-> ambro718: strange, can't see where that would occur; you are using newlib libm or something else? 2015-04-27T18:14:55 < jpa-> modf() is just bit twidling 2015-04-27T18:15:01 < karlp> what toolchain dirty_d? there's been one or two people whove' had issues like that, and there's probably places where not all includes are included in the right place, 2015-04-27T18:15:03 < ambro718> jpa-: newlib stuff that comes with gcc-arm-embedded. Tried both nano an normal. 2015-04-27T18:15:31 < dirty_d> karlp, im using the arm-none-eabi-gcc package on archlinux 2015-04-27T18:15:35 < ambro718> it's not just a random input which triggers a bug, it fails on basically all inputs... 2015-04-27T18:15:50 < dirty_d> yea i made a test.c program taht includes stdint.h, same error 2015-04-27T18:15:51 < jpa-> ambro718: https://github.com/eblot/newlib/blob/master/newlib/libm/common/s_modf.c perhaps try debugging it further by calling this function on the failing input 2015-04-27T18:16:08 < Laurenceb__> maybe it is typecasting to float somewhere in your code? 2015-04-27T18:18:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T18:18:34 < ambro718> then when the code proceeds to pow() even stranger things happen 2015-04-27T18:20:25 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T18:22:40 < dirty_d> karlp, if i add -ffreestanding to the Makefile taht error goes away, but not it cant find stdlib.h 2015-04-27T18:25:45 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-27T18:27:20 < dirty_d> karlp, oops my fault, i didnt install arm-none-eabi-newlib 2015-04-27T18:27:27 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T18:30:50 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T18:34:25 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T18:36:16 < karlp> dirty_d: if you can suggest the package names you needed, and the "version" of arch, I can add that to the docs of what's "ssupported/known to work" leave it in an issue on github 2015-04-27T18:38:24 < ambro718> (gdb) p ff >>0.10720872881524457 (gdb) p ep >>-5 ... double diff = ff - ep; ... (gdb) p diff >>5.062500954863431 no you idiot it's 5.107208728815245!! 2015-04-27T18:38:38 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-27T18:38:43 < ambro718> what could be causing all the math stuff to misbehave? 2015-04-27T18:39:00 < dirty_d> karlp, i just needed to install arm-none-eabi-gcc and arm-none-eabi-newlib. there isnt really a version 2015-04-27T18:40:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T18:41:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-27T18:47:11 < dirty_d> oops, think i have a mistake in my linker script, this look right now? http://pastebin.com/jm5pgFYr 2015-04-27T18:51:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T19:01:07 -!- _franck__ [53c557de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.197.87.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-04-27T19:08:17 < karlp> ambro718: given that you compiled all your linker details from "here and there" I'd suspect that first 2015-04-27T19:08:26 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-27T19:09:49 < PaulFertser> karlp: I'd doubt linker script to affect floating point stuff. But who knows. 2015-04-27T19:10:56 < karlp> well, he's got things like DISCARD(libgcc.*) and so on, so how knows what else is being tossed out 2015-04-27T19:11:30 < karlp> I wouldn't either, but when nothing's behaving the way you expect, I'd suspect that you're building what you expect or running what you expect 2015-04-27T19:14:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-27T19:15:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-27T19:17:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-27T19:18:45 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T19:20:57 < ambro718> removing the DISCARD doesn't change anything 2015-04-27T19:22:04 < ambro718> karlp: I think specifying less memory won't hurt you unless you actually need the memory 2015-04-27T19:23:25 < karlp> I wasn't saying the discard was the probolem, I was implying that the presence of a bunch of odd things didn't inspire confidence in the entire package behaving well 2015-04-27T19:23:50 < ambro718> karlp: but, check in the datasheet for the particular part, there is a table (4 Memory mapping --> look under "512-Mbyte block 1 SRAM") 2015-04-27T19:24:34 < ambro718> karlp: do you suggest a particular linker script to try? 2015-04-27T19:24:44 < karlp> I'm talking about your flaoting point stuff, not sure where ram regions came into it. 2015-04-27T19:24:51 < Laurenceb__> i discovered the theme that troll site is ripping off 2015-04-27T19:24:53 < Laurenceb__> https://www.mojomarketplace.com/item/highend-ultimate-multi-purpose-wordpress-theme 2015-04-27T19:25:01 < Laurenceb__> WOOCOMMERCE 2015-04-27T19:25:23 < ambro718> ah sorry that was meant for dirty_d: check in the datasheet for the particular part, there is a table (4 Memory mapping --> look under "512-Mbyte block 1 SRAM") 2015-04-27T19:32:08 < ambro718> I have just tried the illegal linker script (Projects/STM32F429I-Discovery/Templates/TrueSTUDIO/STM32F429I_DISCO/STM32F429ZI_FLASH.ld). Same problem. 2015-04-27T19:33:54 < zyp> how can linker scripts be illegal? 2015-04-27T19:34:11 < ambro718> it may only be used from some IDE 2015-04-27T19:36:21 < zyp> heh 2015-04-27T19:36:36 < zyp> so write your own 2015-04-27T19:36:41 < ambro718> I have... 2015-04-27T19:51:29 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-27T20:03:22 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:03:38 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@67.51.33.29] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-27T20:03:38 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:03:56 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T20:04:04 < ambro718> this must be a compiler bug, the problem disappears if I just add some junk code that calls the problematic function. Then all of the calls to the function behave ok. 2015-04-27T20:09:44 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-27T20:11:13 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T20:11:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:17:54 < karlp> ambro718: I was going to try and look at your build environment, but you've made it rather obtuse for anyone to just checkout and build 2015-04-27T20:18:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:18:59 < ambro718> karlp: on the contrary, it's very easy. python -B config_system/generator/generate.py --config aprinter_config.json --nix | nix-build - -o ~/stm-test 2015-04-27T20:19:08 < karlp> yeah, no. that's obtuse as hell 2015-04-27T20:19:13 < ambro718> I will send you the .json config if you will try 2015-04-27T20:19:13 < GargantuaSauce> every time i've had weird fpu issues it's been because i did something stupid that smashed the stack 2015-04-27T20:19:16 < karlp> also, you've not documented what' sin that config file 2015-04-27T20:19:37 < superbia> obfuse not obtuse 2015-04-27T20:19:45 < karlp> it's just "use this magical web thing that you also need this strange other tool to run that will generate it foryou" 2015-04-27T20:20:19 < ambro718> karlp: the json is made with a web interface, you can run the web interface locally (see readme). It's deployed online but that version has no STM32 support yet ( http://www.aprinter.eu/ ) 2015-04-27T20:20:33 < karlp> yeah, only after installing some package manager ==> not happening. 2015-04-27T20:20:52 < karlp> and clearly I can't use the web version to help you work out what's wrong with the stm32 version... 2015-04-27T20:21:03 < karlp> ././build.sh: line 66: config/*.sh: No such file or directory 2015-04-27T20:21:08 < karlp> not encouraging... 2015-04-27T20:21:57 < ambro718> karlp: you could just install a NixOS vm if you don't want it on your system, https://nixos.org/releases/nixos/latest-ova-x86_64-linux 2015-04-27T20:22:22 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:23:10 < ambro718> the reason I went with Nix is that I can programatically express all the dependnecies and the build process. 2015-04-27T20:23:49 < karlp> clearly it's not helping enough ;) 2015-04-27T20:25:08 < ambro718> karlp: please consider that in my project I support different families of microcontrollers and that management of the building process becomes a nightmare without something like Nix 2015-04-27T20:25:31 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 1.1.1"] 2015-04-27T20:27:31 < ambro718> also you can just look at how I set it up by reading the code :) 2015-04-27T20:28:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-27T20:34:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@p5B2A4DBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:34:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@p5B2A4DBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-27T20:34:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:41:00 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1266:8a01:2cc3:95cb:2e75:2968] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:41:32 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1266:8a01:2cc3:95cb:2e75:2968] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-27T20:43:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2015-04-27T20:44:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-27T20:49:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:58:14 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1266:8a01:2cc3:95cb:2e75:2968] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T20:59:48 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T21:01:35 -!- effractur [~Erik@ip5454c44d.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T21:02:58 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1266:8a01:2cc3:95cb:2e75:2968] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-27T21:09:21 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-27T21:09:40 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T21:24:17 < ambro718> I've found more strangeness... I added a test to the beginning of main for calling this function so the program halts if it returns the wrong result. Now, it generally does halt, except it passed just after flashing new firmware! If I then reset or power cycle the thing, it fails. 2015-04-27T21:25:24 < ambro718> though in this situation that it passes, further calls to the function will still return the wrong result! 2015-04-27T21:29:39 < dirty_d> hmm, just found this in my code, the middle line shouldnt be there right? http://pastebin.com/1T4dyiDs 2015-04-27T21:29:58 < dirty_d> AF1 is TIM2_CH1_ETR 2015-04-27T21:30:17 < ambro718> please someone with STM32F429I-Discovery try my binary. I'm wondering if by board is broken. https://www.dropbox.com/s/br260183cvji7jv/aprinter-nixbuild.bin?dl=0 2015-04-27T21:36:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T21:57:13 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-27T22:00:01 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T22:03:45 < ambro718> So I read back the program with st-flash. And who would have known, the result is different. hexdump diff: http://ideone.com/t5Ni0W 2015-04-27T22:03:51 < ambro718> does that look like a flash error? 2015-04-27T22:04:44 < ambro718> Has anyone else seen broken flash on frash chips? 2015-04-27T22:05:00 < ambro718> funny thing is that the st-flash initial verification has passed 2015-04-27T22:08:13 < PaulFertser> ambro718: why don't you use openocd to flash and verify and debug?.. 2015-04-27T22:08:49 < ambro718> that even explains why it passed my check just after uploading - the stored value was correct for a short time after writing, so both the st-flash verify check passed and my test in main. Later the value changes in the flash. 2015-04-27T22:09:31 < ambro718> I don't have openocd setup, I will probably try. But this does very much look like a broken chip to me. 2015-04-27T22:09:54 -!- sklv [~sklv@80.229.16.48] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T22:09:55 < Fleck> I doubt that! :D 2015-04-27T22:10:34 < Fleck> but... everything is possible 2015-04-27T22:11:23 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T22:11:53 < ambro718> gdb claims that the function at the corrupted region is __aeabi_dadd 2015-04-27T22:13:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-27T22:13:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-27T22:14:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-27T22:15:28 < PaulFertser> ambro718: now it does, indeed. If verification works and then fails after a while... 2015-04-27T22:15:41 < PaulFertser> ambro718: are you sure your board is solid? As in, proper power decoupling etc? 2015-04-27T22:16:24 < ambro718> PaulFertser: it's the STM32F429-Discovery 2015-04-27T22:16:49 < qyx_> any radiation sources around? 2015-04-27T22:16:52 < ambro718> powered over USB ST-LINK port, nothign extra was ever attached that could bork it 2015-04-27T22:17:18 < qyx_> i mean like a flowerpot full of uranium 2015-04-27T22:17:18 < ambro718> not that I'm aware of. The other F4-Discovery board works. 2015-04-27T22:18:14 -!- perillamint [~perillami@61.72.142.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-27T22:21:02 -!- perillamint [~perillami@61.72.142.236] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T22:21:03 < ambro718> hm, can I tell gcc not to put code in the broken region 2015-04-27T22:22:02 < PaulFertser> ambro718: tell ld by amending linker script, yes 2015-04-27T22:27:32 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-115-210.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T22:32:44 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-27T22:37:44 < ambro718> can someone help me with openocd flashing? http://ideone.com/loWjZ4 2015-04-27T22:43:33 < bvernoux> ambro718, addr0 is wrong 2015-04-27T22:43:35 < ambro718> oh I need to flash elf 2015-04-27T22:43:35 < bvernoux> use the elf 2015-04-27T22:43:54 < bvernoux> with a correct ld script to build the elf 2015-04-27T22:44:34 < bvernoux> an other alternative is to use USB DFU 2015-04-27T22:49:04 < ambro718> The st-flash must be broken . When i flash with st-flash, then do a verify with openocd after power cycling, the verify fails. 2015-04-27T22:49:13 < ambro718> Flashing with openocd, the flash remains valid 2015-04-27T22:49:44 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-27T22:51:13 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T22:51:36 < PaulFertser> ambro718: I recommend using -c "program file.elf verify exit" with the current version (without exit with 0.8.0), that way you do not need init, reset init etc. 2015-04-27T22:51:54 < PaulFertser> ambro718: just board config and -c program 2015-04-27T22:52:41 < PaulFertser> ambro718: NixOS seems to be a very nice idea btw. 2015-04-27T22:53:03 < ambro718> it's great, I definitely do not miss Gentoo :) 2015-04-27T22:54:11 < ambro718> there's also a surprising amount of packages, many of which are not in mainstream repos :) 2015-04-27T22:54:18 < ambro718> distros 2015-04-27T22:54:59 -!- dirty_d [~dirty_d@50-205-178-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-27T22:57:59 < PaulFertser> ambro718: if you need help packaging OpenOCD, feel free to ping me :) 2015-04-27T22:58:12 < ambro718> it's already packaged :) 2015-04-27T22:58:44 < PaulFertser> ambro718: I'd like to see the source then. 2015-04-27T22:59:24 < ambro718> I mean, somebody has already done it. 2015-04-27T22:59:26 < ambro718> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/development/tools/misc/openocd/default.nix 2015-04-27T23:00:22 < ambro718> there's a few NixOS devs crazy about embedded stuff apparently :) 2015-04-27T23:01:31 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2015-04-27T23:01:52 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T23:01:56 < PaulFertser> ambro718: cmsis-dap support would be nice, it's getting more common. And some old adapter drivers require libusb0. I'd also add --enable-dummy for testing purposes. 2015-04-27T23:03:09 < ambro718> you can file an issue :) 2015-04-27T23:03:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.17] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T23:04:05 < PaulFertser> ambro718: I'm already trying to care for distros I don't use, adding NixOS to the mix is not something I think I'd like to do. 2015-04-27T23:04:38 < ambro718> ok, I'll take a note then 2015-04-27T23:05:02 < ambro718> thanks for taking a look of course 2015-04-27T23:05:52 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2015-04-27T23:06:19 < PaulFertser> ambro718: :) 2015-04-27T23:08:41 < PaulFertser> ambro718: and btw there's 0.9.0-rc1 version already, probably they want to bump to it. 2015-04-27T23:09:15 < ambro718> not sure, it's not common to update to rc 2015-04-27T23:10:11 < PaulFertser> ambro718: what's the best way to get more testing coverage among Nix users then? ;) 2015-04-27T23:10:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T23:12:03 < ambro718> PaulFertser: tell people about NixOS? :) you have to consider that packages are easy to get to nixpkgs, it generally just takes someone to write the nix-expression and make a pull request. 2015-04-27T23:36:28 < PaulFertser> ambro718: I'm personally doing "github pullrequests" only if I'm really forced to. I consider the way they propose to use Git to be silly and fundamentally broken. 2015-04-27T23:40:51 < ambro718> huh whaterver, I was just saying it's easy to contribute 2015-04-27T23:41:29 < ambro718> I'll try to find some time to package the RC but it may not be accepted by devs (I'm just a NixOS user). 2015-04-27T23:42:39 < ambro718> how do I flash a .bin with openocd? 2015-04-27T23:42:53 < ambro718> program ... ? 2015-04-27T23:46:16 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-27T23:49:59 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-173-181.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-27T23:51:48 < qyx_> flash write_image erase %s 0x08008000 bin 2015-04-27T23:51:55 < qyx_> replace %s with filename 2015-04-27T23:52:01 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-115-210.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-27T23:52:04 < qyx_> and 0x080... with whatever you want 2015-04-27T23:53:06 < ambro718> thanks 2015-04-27T23:55:14 < Fleck> ambro718: where can I search NixOS packages online? 2015-04-27T23:55:44 < ambro718> Fleck: http://nixos.org/ click Packages at the very top 2015-04-27T23:56:02 < Fleck> first try - fail! :D 2015-04-27T23:56:12 < Fleck> 0ad not found :D 2015-04-27T23:58:02 < ambro718> Fleck: that could be because the search is broke :) 2015-04-27T23:58:27 < ambro718> probably has problems with numbers at the beginning... https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/games/0ad/default.nix 2015-04-27T23:58:53 < Fleck> ohh, now you can note another thing then! :D 2015-04-27T23:58:58 < ambro718> actually, that one I have submitted :) --- Day changed Tue Apr 28 2015 2015-04-28T00:02:33 < PaulFertser> qyx_: program is better 2015-04-28T00:03:06 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T00:04:15 -!- bairdynomnom_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-115-247.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T00:04:34 -!- freakuency [~akerlund@mod01.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T00:06:06 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-173-181.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-28T00:06:31 < freakuency> Hi, I'm looking in the reference manual for a stm32f40x specifically looking for the ADC information about sample time considerations and such, I just can't find it and the formula for it again, anyone here that just happends to have that page number in his or her head? 2015-04-28T00:07:15 < freakuency> I've scrolled thorugh the whole ADC chapter in the Ref manual 2015-04-28T00:12:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3cf570d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T00:16:11 < karlp> it's in the datasheet, not the ref man iirc 2015-04-28T00:16:37 < freakuency> karlp, oh, that helps, I'll take another look 2015-04-28T00:20:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T00:27:46 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-28T00:29:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-28T00:30:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-28T00:31:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-28T00:37:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T01:09:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-28T01:11:35 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has quit [Quit: :3] 2015-04-28T01:17:26 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-28T01:20:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T01:23:20 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T01:23:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T01:26:20 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-28T01:41:00 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-28T01:43:58 -!- bairdynomnom_ is now known as baird 2015-04-28T01:46:05 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhgodwleoayfmfsr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-28T02:00:07 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T02:00:51 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T02:02:13 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-28T02:03:33 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-28T02:17:12 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-28T02:26:12 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T02:26:41 -!- sklv [~sklv@80.229.16.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-28T02:26:48 -!- amstan_ is now known as amstan 2015-04-28T02:27:29 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T02:28:48 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T02:29:17 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T02:41:50 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-28T02:44:23 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T02:45:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T02:48:12 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T02:51:17 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-28T03:02:39 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone give me a hadn? I configured SystemTick to be HCLK/8. My AHB is 36MHz/72MHz... What should I set my SysTick value to? 2015-04-28T03:02:54 < ColdKeyboard> *hand 2015-04-28T03:09:24 < ColdKeyboard> By my calculation the value should be 9000 but it's too fast :\ 2015-04-28T03:21:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T03:31:16 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-68-45-16-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-28T03:39:20 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251217062.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T03:47:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-28T03:52:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T03:55:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251217062.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T04:00:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251200023.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T04:04:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251200023.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-28T04:15:04 < kakimir> do you know any ghost stories R2COM? 2015-04-28T04:16:46 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T04:18:50 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T04:19:36 < dongs> sup dongs 2015-04-28T04:20:15 < dongs> PeterM: ive seen them before i wanna answer but I cant remember who the manufacturer was 2015-04-28T04:20:19 < dongs> im thinking maybe stackpole 2015-04-28T04:20:26 < dongs> cuz thats who i bought a lot of on digikey cuz they were cehapest 2015-04-28T04:21:38 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-28T04:23:09 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-27-146.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-28T04:28:53 -!- esmIII [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-28T04:39:35 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T04:39:43 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T04:41:00 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/DC-3V-To-7KV-7000V-High-Voltage-Generator-Boost-Step-up-Power-Module-p-919913.html 2015-04-28T04:44:44 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqbbxdknetiemfpr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T04:44:49 < kakimir> why dongs? 2015-04-28T04:45:17 < kakimir> torture? 2015-04-28T04:49:18 < kakimir> once when I went to my friends house he had build hv torture device for me 2015-04-28T04:50:01 < kakimir> *to be used on me 2015-04-28T04:54:10 < kakimir> involving alien insemination? 2015-04-28T04:54:18 < dongs> attn emeb http://hackaday.com/2015/04/27/slick-six-voice-synth-for-avrs/ 2015-04-28T04:55:44 < emeb> dongs: ewwwww - PWM DACs 2015-04-28T04:56:10 < kakimir> perfect R2COM 2015-04-28T04:58:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T05:00:11 < dongs> ohh a new ritot update 2015-04-28T05:00:12 < dongs> or not 2015-04-28T05:00:25 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1384932/files/20150415052928-002.png?1429100968 2 weeks ago ritot update 2015-04-28T05:00:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T05:02:16 < dongs> feeling super assburgery 2015-04-28T05:02:19 < dongs> dont wanna do anythign 2015-04-28T05:06:50 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD4N5kfx0cU absolutely amazing 2015-04-28T05:10:06 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T05:10:34 < dongs> This is for audiophile enthusiasts. It has a 192kHz HiFi module made out of wood, and it guarantees an excellent sound. It would be considered a sin to listen to mp3 on Fonkraft HiFi and because high-fidelity music takes up a lot of space. We.ve thought about the storage on this device too and pumped it up to 64GB. 2015-04-28T05:10:39 < dongs> LOL 2015-04-28T05:10:41 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fonkraft-modular-smartphone 2015-04-28T05:11:38 < dongs> 192kHz wood module, fuck yeah 2015-04-28T05:11:52 < kakimir> when it walls to floor at station hall and people walk over pieces while you try to collect them 2015-04-28T05:12:05 < kakimir> thats feng sui 2015-04-28T05:12:23 < kakimir> it is 2015-04-28T05:13:41 < kakimir> money 2015-04-28T05:14:36 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1402647/files/20150421085807-Comparison.jpg?1429631887 2015-04-28T05:14:40 < dongs> haha 2015-04-28T05:15:28 < dongs> on waht 2015-04-28T05:15:36 < dongs> its a fucking joke 2015-04-28T05:16:17 < dongs> i wonder if te're british 2015-04-28T05:16:22 < dongs> the guys look similar to the dicks at zano 2015-04-28T05:16:28 < kakimir> if modules were internal cards like chipset on one card and so on it would be.. ok 2015-04-28T05:16:39 < dongs> austria 2015-04-28T05:16:42 < dongs> close 2015-04-28T05:17:20 < dongs> lol 2015-04-28T05:17:24 < dongs> i dndt scroll that far yet 2015-04-28T05:18:15 < kakimir> poop between modules 2015-04-28T05:18:51 < dongs> How exactly modules are being attached? Is it reliable? 2015-04-28T05:18:52 < dongs> Back of every module have pins and mountings. Electric signals are being delivered via pins, while with mountings the modules are securely attached to the Fonkraft frame. Thanks to our currently in patenting process special mounting mechanism modules are held very tightly, they will not be disconnected even under strong impact or fall. 2015-04-28T05:19:18 < dongs> Fonkraft supports LTE? 2015-04-28T05:19:19 < dongs> Yes, Fonkraft supports LTE, as well as other connectivity standarts including GMS/EDGE, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, GPS, GLONASS. 2015-04-28T05:20:55 < kakimir> I have 2 requirements for phone 2015-04-28T05:21:25 < kakimir> ip67 and one button flashlight 2015-04-28T05:21:33 < dongs> it sounds like 2015-04-28T05:21:37 < dongs> you could just use a: flashlight 2015-04-28T05:21:52 < dongs> and dont actually need a phone 2015-04-28T05:22:01 < dongs> for one-button flashlight, you shoiuld get "pressy" 2015-04-28T05:22:08 < kakimir> actually 2015-04-28T05:22:13 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button 2015-04-28T05:22:18 < kakimir> I don't use my phone anymore 2015-04-28T05:22:20 < dongs> amazedickstarter 2015-04-28T05:22:37 < kakimir> I retired my friends 2015-04-28T05:27:44 < kakimir> and deny all incoming calls 2015-04-28T05:29:23 < kakimir> then i just survived 2015-04-28T05:30:06 < kakimir> and kept my integrity 2015-04-28T05:34:17 < dongs> zTouch offers the best of both worlds, effectively solving the "ghosting" problem. By changing the traditional grid layout to a dot matrix layout and developing special algorithms to analyze this new data, it has become the first multi-touch technology that precisely senses conductive objects (like fingers) up to 1.2 inches away from the pad with sub-pixel resolution. 2015-04-28T05:39:18 < Getty> 695.000$ for a button? 2015-04-28T05:39:27 < Getty> for ONE button..... 2015-04-28T05:39:56 < Getty> i am for sure doing it all wrong.. i am very certain 2015-04-28T05:49:21 < dongs> Getty: even better, for one button that china has been selling for like 70c 2015-04-28T05:49:28 < dongs> those dicks wanted liek 20 bux/ea 2015-04-28T05:50:57 < Getty> they should burn in zano hell 2015-04-28T05:54:31 < dongs> st library + some custom junk 2015-04-28T05:54:36 < dongs> i just copypaste shit between projects 2015-04-28T05:56:47 < Getty> aint nobody got time for that 2015-04-28T06:00:56 < dongs> not worth 2015-04-28T06:02:16 < emeb_mac> same here - stdperiph + my code. copypasta ad infinit 2015-04-28T06:02:52 < emeb_mac> some pals use stmcube - seems too heavyweight 2015-04-28T06:02:58 < dongs> i rewrote f1 gpio because it was just nasty 2015-04-28T06:03:05 < dongs> made my own part for that 2015-04-28T06:03:21 < dongs> beyond that i just fallback to register stuff where its needed lik in IRQs and shit 2015-04-28T06:03:27 < dongs> or else just use stdperiph as-is 2015-04-28T06:05:44 < emeb_mac> meh 2015-04-28T06:06:06 < emeb_mac> big bux for toolchain. why? 2015-04-28T06:06:23 < emeb_mac> not really 2015-04-28T06:06:31 < emeb_mac> keil is 15x that 2015-04-28T06:06:48 < emeb_mac> but why pay when free tools work fine? 2015-04-28T06:07:02 < dongs> we must have different definitions of "fine" 2015-04-28T06:07:07 < dongs> i bet "geda" is "fine" too 2015-04-28T06:07:24 < emeb_mac> I wouldn't use geda for stuff that I got paid for 2015-04-28T06:07:29 < emeb_mac> hence diptrace 2015-04-28T06:08:04 < dongs> if "pro software" is ocrad then no 2015-04-28T06:08:12 < dongs> orcad is far from pro 2015-04-28T06:08:29 < emeb_mac> heh - toolwarz 2015-04-28T06:08:56 * emeb_mac lobs grenade and stands back 2015-04-28T06:09:12 < dongs> every year few thousand japs jump in front of trains 2015-04-28T06:09:18 < dongs> does that mean I should follow 2015-04-28T06:09:42 < kakimir> they love their trains 2015-04-28T06:09:52 < dongs> R2COM: china uses what they can pirate, pretty sure they're using 10 years old orcad that keeps being passed from generation to generation 2015-04-28T06:10:07 < dongs> i remember looking at some china website 2015-04-28T06:10:11 < dongs> and under 'company news' they had an item 2015-04-28T06:10:23 < dongs> 'we bought legit license for 2015-04-28T06:10:38 < emeb_mac> oooh - so trustworthy 2015-04-28T06:10:57 < emeb_mac> altidongs + keil 2015-04-28T06:11:22 < emeb_mac> st uses altium for all the disco boards 2015-04-28T06:11:25 < emeb_mac> must be pro 2015-04-28T06:12:11 < emeb_mac> I took allegro training lo these many years ago - never used it tho. 2015-04-28T06:26:12 < emeb_mac> direct access is tighter code and runs faster 2015-04-28T06:26:43 < emeb_mac> but there are lots of good examples in stdperiph to start with 2015-04-28T06:26:57 < emeb_mac> depends 2015-04-28T06:27:14 < emeb_mac> heavy DSP for audio it helps to have fast access 2015-04-28T06:49:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-28T06:49:48 < PeterM> dongs yes was stackpole, cheers 2015-04-28T06:50:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T07:24:36 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T08:04:45 < dongs> cool 2015-04-28T08:10:09 < dongs> the plastic ones were really nice when i was doing cut tape feeders 2015-04-28T08:10:23 < dongs> because they were very easy to cut without knocking parts off 2015-04-28T08:10:31 < dongs> since it was "softer" than paper 2015-04-28T08:10:54 < PeterM> eyah, i found the plastic ones heaps easy to put a leader on etc 2015-04-28T08:11:04 < dongs> what do yo do for leaders 2015-04-28T08:11:17 < dongs> i asked digicocks where tehy get thsoe littel clips they use for adding shit to digireel 2015-04-28T08:11:21 < dongs> they said it was company proprietary information 2015-04-28T08:18:09 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-28T08:21:26 < PeterM> depends on what it is, for splicing i use little brass clips + some kapton tape (thats what the assembly place i use is ok wiht), for leaders i use the clips + some pre-made thigns i found ages ago (basically just some cover tpe with a pretty decent adhesive on it), the brass clips are really good on the plasitc tape though, they bite i wellk 2015-04-28T08:22:51 < dongs> where are these brass clips 2015-04-28T08:31:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T08:37:54 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-28T08:42:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T08:43:10 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/uNYY5Nq.jpg 2015-04-28T08:49:03 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T09:14:17 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2015-04-28T09:14:27 < PeterM> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-SMT-Splice-clip-for-smt-pick-place-machine/32216092993.html $20 for 4k 2015-04-28T09:14:29 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-28T09:14:30 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-224-183-201.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T09:14:37 < dongs> oh fuck me 2015-04-28T09:14:39 < dongs> thank you sir 2015-04-28T09:17:23 < PeterM> ive never tried to crim them without a tool though, here is a link to the tool http://www.aliexpress.com/item/SMT-Splicing-Tool-for-smt-machine/1882684275.html 2015-04-28T09:18:20 < dongs> sweet. 2015-04-28T09:18:23 < dongs> getting chinagirl to pickup botrh 2015-04-28T09:18:32 < PeterM> nice 2015-04-28T09:19:57 < PeterM> i bought them ebcause my assembly people charge out the ass for re-reeling and leaders, so i just prep shit before i gief to them 2015-04-28T09:20:06 < dongs> awesome 2015-04-28T09:20:15 < dongs> what do you do for actual plastic tape stuff? 2015-04-28T09:20:21 < dongs> just strong tape? 2015-04-28T09:20:23 < dongs> i mean to splice it 2015-04-28T09:21:47 < PeterM> jsut strong tpe, but i pre-peel around 2cm so ti starts easier 2015-04-28T09:24:59 < dongs> right 2015-04-28T09:26:00 < zyp> I was waiting for an 18kg UPS shipment yesterday 2015-04-28T09:26:23 < zyp> I was pretty surprised when a delivery guy showed up with a flat light DHL shipment instead 2015-04-28T09:26:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-28T09:26:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T09:28:00 < dongs> waht did you get 2015-04-28T09:28:07 < zyp> I didn't expect any such shipment, so I was searching my memory and couldn't figure out what it could be 2015-04-28T09:28:17 < zyp> until I read the label and saw it was from chinagirl 2015-04-28T09:28:32 < dongs> oh right 2015-04-28T09:28:34 < dongs> the crystals 2015-04-28T09:28:36 < zyp> yep 2015-04-28T09:28:39 < dongs> apparently DHL was cheaper than EMS 2015-04-28T09:29:16 < zyp> yeah, it was shipped as «documents», so for once I don't have to deal with their customs bullshit afterwards 2015-04-28T09:30:08 < PeterM> i've had pcbs shipped as documents before, quick and cheap but fucked the boards 2015-04-28T09:31:00 < zyp> invoice for this says «document of 2520 25mhz» 2015-04-28T09:31:16 < dongs> ror 2015-04-28T09:36:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T09:39:32 < emeb_mac> ror. lol. so meta 2015-04-28T09:41:03 < dongs> whoaaaaa 2015-04-28T09:41:06 < dongs> PeterM: chiangirl found something else 2015-04-28T09:41:25 < PeterM> dp tell 2015-04-28T09:41:28 < PeterM> do even 2015-04-28T09:41:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QCReCqm.jpg 2015-04-28T09:42:01 < PeterM> yeah usually that is for the cover tape onyl though 2015-04-28T09:42:32 < PeterM> but ey if you can get one for the main carrier tape , more the merrier 2015-04-28T09:43:29 < dongs> isnt that for main tape? 2015-04-28T09:43:34 < PeterM> yeah it is 2015-04-28T09:44:39 -!- _franck__ [53c557de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.197.87.222] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T09:45:06 < PeterM> how much is it/are they? 2015-04-28T09:46:01 < dongs> haha the bag of 4k shit is 8.5bucks 2015-04-28T09:46:05 < dongs> for hte metal stuff 2015-04-28T09:47:38 < dongs> heh 2015-04-28T09:47:42 < dongs> 2 bucks for a box of 500 2015-04-28T09:47:46 < dongs> or 3 bux for 12mm 2015-04-28T09:47:59 < dongs> ill try it out 2015-04-28T09:48:08 < dongs> cant be worse than the ghetto shit i sometimes do 2015-04-28T09:48:26 < dongs> like carefully cutting tape and shit 2015-04-28T09:48:33 < PeterM> yeah, true 2015-04-28T09:48:53 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T09:58:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-28T10:00:07 < dongs> lol also chinagirl price for splice tool is onlg 45 2015-04-28T10:02:44 < PeterM> yeah, i just use aliexpress to find the garbage english translations of whatever the chinese call them - otehrwise shits expensive 2015-04-28T10:06:14 < dongs> rite 2015-04-28T10:16:13 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-28T10:25:17 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T10:35:33 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T10:43:56 < jpa-> hmm, i wonder if SPI should be fine with changing clock freq in the middle of transfer 2015-04-28T10:46:17 < zyp> how? 2015-04-28T10:46:22 < zyp> as a master? 2015-04-28T10:46:32 < jpa-> yeah, master, and changing the whole STM32 core clock 2015-04-28T10:46:47 < zyp> oh, core clock 2015-04-28T10:47:05 < jpa-> can't see why not, but i seem to have some random transfer errors near clock changes 2015-04-28T10:47:11 < zyp> that's probably okay, shouldn't affect the peripheral state 2015-04-28T10:47:36 < zyp> but changing the divider might not be 2015-04-28T10:48:09 < jpa-> yeah 2015-04-28T10:48:11 < zyp> at least I know by experience that changing CPHA without disabling first doesn't work 2015-04-28T10:48:26 < jpa-> i know that also, it works funny :) 2015-04-28T10:48:31 < jpa-> 11 bit spi for the win 2015-04-28T10:48:44 < zyp> 12 bit in my case, IIRC 2015-04-28T10:49:08 < zyp> that's probably related to clock rate 2015-04-28T10:49:14 < zyp> since it's some sort of race, I guess 2015-04-28T10:51:48 < jpa-> the symptom i'm seeing is that Tx DMA just never finishes 2015-04-28T10:52:05 < jpa-> as if a DMA request just got dropped somehow 2015-04-28T10:53:35 < zyp> strange 2015-04-28T10:53:55 < jpa-> have to debug further, could be something totally unrelated to the clock change 2015-04-28T10:54:02 < jpa-> this thing is always changing the clocks 2015-04-28T10:55:03 < zyp> chip doesn't have the ability to run peripherals directly from one of the base clocks that doesn't change? 2015-04-28T10:55:11 < zyp> I know some do 2015-04-28T10:57:08 < jpa-> nope, this is F103 2015-04-28T10:57:28 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T10:57:57 < jpa-> also the reason for clock change is because some of the peripherals need higher clock to transfer fast enough, so can't really mess with APB1/APB2 dividers either 2015-04-28T10:58:46 < zyp> so, what's the reason for clocking down? 2015-04-28T11:02:12 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-28T11:04:11 < jpa-> zyp: powersave 2015-04-28T11:04:28 < jpa-> atleast supposedly 2015-04-28T11:04:39 < jpa-> not sure how much it really saves vs. race to sleep 2015-04-28T11:05:25 < jpa-> it does spend quite some time waiting for slow peripherals like I2C, so running at lower clock can actually save some 2015-04-28T11:10:21 < zyp> can't you do dma for that? 2015-04-28T11:11:18 < jpa-> sure it does dma, but just having the core shut off and APB1/APB2 running at high clock might take considerable power 2015-04-28T11:11:42 < jpa-> but haven't really measured these, inherited project 2015-04-28T11:12:36 < jpa-> in my own projects i've never bothered with dynamic clock changes 2015-04-28T11:13:32 < zyp> in my own projects I've never been on a limited power budget :p 2015-04-28T11:14:15 < jpa-> i'm usually always :) 2015-04-28T11:15:09 < zyp> usb is nice like that 2015-04-28T11:15:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T11:21:06 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T11:21:36 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-28T11:21:56 -!- inca_ [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T11:22:09 -!- inca_ is now known as inca 2015-04-28T11:22:35 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T11:23:15 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-28T11:23:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T11:25:06 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T11:25:21 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-28T11:26:18 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T11:26:42 -!- yots is now known as Guest90540 2015-04-28T11:44:37 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-28T11:48:13 -!- kakimir [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-28T11:49:06 -!- kakimir [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T11:49:31 < qyx_> mhm 2015-04-28T11:49:48 < qyx_> jpa-: i did dynamic core clock changing with spi in master mode 2015-04-28T11:49:53 < qyx_> but never observed race conditions 2015-04-28T11:50:17 < qyx_> or better, there were other errors which probably caused i missed some spi-related errors 2015-04-28T11:51:31 < qyx_> the whole thing is meh, i would like to have the spi clocked from some different source 2015-04-28T11:51:54 < qyx_> and usart too.. so i could change the core clock freely 2015-04-28T11:52:31 < qyx_> it is not possible on the f401 at least 2015-04-28T11:54:56 < jpa-> pretty much sums up my experiences with core clock switching :) 2015-04-28T11:56:40 < scrts_w> and the advantage of clock switching is...? lower power consumption? 2015-04-28T11:58:12 < zyp> yes 2015-04-28T11:58:19 < qyx_> sometimes you are required to be in the run mode, but very low freq is enough 2015-04-28T11:58:53 < zyp> in digital circuits, power is consumed mainly on the clock edges, so power consumption is almost proportional to the clock rate 2015-04-28T12:00:24 < Taxman> zyp: Don't know how big the leakage currents are at microcontrollers, but at pc cpus leakage adds a big offset to the frequency part 2015-04-28T12:01:38 < zyp> this also means that for a task that takes a number of cpu cycles, it doesn't really matter whether you run the cpu at a high or low clock rate, that task will consume about as much power anyway 2015-04-28T12:02:12 < zyp> Taxman, big on what scale? 2015-04-28T12:10:13 < jpa-> Taxman: on microcontrollers the leakage is pretty small 2015-04-28T12:10:30 < jpa-> Taxman: usually it is a tradeoff, the higher freq you want to work at, the more leakage 2015-04-28T12:12:43 < zyp> how was the relation between leakage and feature size? 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2015-04-28T13:38:22 < specing> why would anyone need it? 2015-04-28T13:38:32 < specing> you have JTAG to the real thing that is cheap 2015-04-28T13:41:13 < yots> true, but I may want to simulate a larger environment (say dozens of devices) or automate some tests 2015-04-28T13:42:04 < DanteA> Why would anyone need it? You have emulator. 2015-04-28T13:43:06 < yots> you mean the one that comes with Keil? not everyone has thousands to spend on it :P 2015-04-28T13:44:14 < DanteA> It's answer to specing's reply. 2015-04-28T13:51:09 -!- esmIII [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T13:53:19 < jpa-> DanteA: what emulator? 2015-04-28T13:53:26 < jpa-> ah 2015-04-28T13:53:47 < jpa-> yots: there isn't even anything STM32 specific in qemu; just the core 2015-04-28T13:54:10 < DanteA> Qemu 2015-04-28T14:04:09 < yots> jpa-: yeah I know, but some other platorms have out-of-tree machine projects. I found one on github but it seems like a disaster 2015-04-28T14:04:44 < yots> also, for some reason the guy chose to fork QEMU as a whole to implement it 2015-04-28T14:13:02 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-124-217.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T14:15:02 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-115-247.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-28T14:23:46 -!- bairdynomnom_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-88-218.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T14:24:30 < dongs> stonedddddddddddddd 2015-04-28T14:24:38 < dongs> yots: zyp made something 2015-04-28T14:25:11 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-124-217.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-28T14:31:06 < jpa-> IIRC zyp was just running the 'stellaris' config that comes with qemu, to test cortex-m3 code but no peripheral access 2015-04-28T14:37:24 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdghpbbmempjfvvh] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T14:54:50 -!- 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say "ADC_SampleTime: The sample time value to be set for the selected channel." 2015-04-28T15:42:13 < karlp> sure, it would have been easier if it was a register per channel, instead of packed, but whatever 2015-04-28T15:42:18 < freakuency> jpa-, bacuse it says in comment it is 2015-04-28T15:42:24 < jpa-> freakuency: where? paste 2015-04-28T15:42:25 < jpa-> or link 2015-04-28T15:42:48 < jpa-> ah, "Calculate the mask to set" 2015-04-28T15:42:55 < jpa-> is this the first time you see a misleading comment? :) 2015-04-28T15:43:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-28T15:43:35 < freakuency> paste.debian.net/169588/ 2015-04-28T15:43:50 < jpa-> yep, you are just misunderstanding the comment 2015-04-28T15:44:25 < jpa-> anyway i don't understand what is hard to understand? the value given as parameter goes to the register for the given channel 2015-04-28T15:44:32 < freakuency> but if i dont use any channel above 9, then it wont be set? 2015-04-28T15:44:36 < freakuency> that makes no sense 2015-04-28T15:44:39 < jpa-> how so? 2015-04-28T15:45:09 < jpa-> 0..9 goes in SMPR2, 10..18 goes in SMPR1 2015-04-28T15:45:17 < freakuency> then it would be just a negative resistor value according to the foermula 2015-04-28T15:45:28 < freakuency> oh well 2015-04-28T15:45:49 < jpa-> do you understand the formula? it is simply calculating the time required to charge the sample & hold capacitor 2015-04-28T15:46:03 < jpa-> and the time is set in sample time registers 2015-04-28T15:46:43 < freakuency> yeah I get that, Im just rying to figure that register out, but then I gues it can be 3,15,28 ... 112,144,480 2015-04-28T15:47:20 < jpa-> yes 2015-04-28T15:47:56 < freakuency> thats what I've thought from the beginning, but subtracting 0.5 makes very little difference with high numbers, so I was confused about that 2015-04-28T15:48:20 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2015-04-28T15:48:28 < freakuency> also the high samplecycles gives values way over 50k which on another row is said as maximum 2015-04-28T15:48:46 < freakuency> jpa-, thanks! 2015-04-28T15:50:46 < jpa-> the max impedance given there is just a random value 2015-04-28T15:50:47 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/TE1a4EN 2015-04-28T15:50:56 < jpa-> even the io pin input leakage current can throw it off 2015-04-28T15:53:16 < freakuency> jpa-, ah ok, well it refers to that equation in the condition column so maybe you can have hish as 400k then 2015-04-28T15:53:26 < PeterM> ReadError, dafuq 2015-04-28T15:53:28 < freakuency> and i don't really see why why couldnt either so 2015-04-28T15:53:54 < jpa-> freakuency: well, depends on the io pin leakage current 2015-04-28T15:54:05 < ReadError> PeterM i no rite 2015-04-28T15:54:07 < jpa-> it's specified up to 1µA which would throw it off a lot even at 50kohm 2015-04-28T15:55:25 < PeterM> that is very dongs 2015-04-28T15:55:39 < freakuency> jpa-, i don't know much about how such things works :/ 2015-04-28T15:59:17 -!- 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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMiNjHjpunU 2015-04-28T16:26:43 < Laurenceb__> lol ardupilot 2015-04-28T16:28:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-28T16:28:55 < ReadMobl> ? 2015-04-28T16:30:13 < Laurenceb__> looks like it must be powered by one 2015-04-28T16:30:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.81] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T16:32:22 < _Sync_> hmm filter blinking 2015-04-28T16:32:47 < PeterM> _Sync_, i did not know there were actually people who spoke like that, i thought it was jsut a trope 2015-04-28T16:33:06 < _Sync_> like what? 2015-04-28T16:33:10 < _Sync_> completely incoherent? 2015-04-28T16:33:26 < PeterM> the nasally retard kinda voice 2015-04-28T16:33:41 < _Sync_> it happens 2015-04-28T16:37:38 < _Sync_> hm 2015-04-28T16:37:42 < _Sync_> it says course 2 2015-04-28T16:37:57 < _Sync_> I wonder why the camera overlay is so slow 2015-04-28T16:42:10 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 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found something, called uLua 2015-04-28T17:33:31 < akaWolf> ehsanv: https://github.com/elua/elua/tree/master/boards/known 2015-04-28T17:33:56 -!- kakimir [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-28T17:34:08 < akaWolf> I think, you can just get one of the most similar for your hardware board, and do some changes 2015-04-28T17:34:30 -!- kakimir [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T17:34:31 < akaWolf> board config.. 2015-04-28T17:35:03 < ehsanv> akaWolf: thanks 2015-04-28T17:42:18 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Quit: *screeeeeeeeech* *vrrroooooommmmm*] 2015-04-28T17:42:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T17:43:00 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T17:43:27 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-28T17:45:14 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T17:47:22 -!- saltire 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it compiles always on the fly, so far noone was able to tell if you can precompile 2015-04-28T18:15:52 < Getty> which kills somehow the complete purpose if you need XXX ram to compile it to run in X ram amount 2015-04-28T18:18:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:22:53 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T18:23:55 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-28T18:24:40 < karlp> Getty: did you try it? lua itself is portable, it's only things like luajit that are gnarly. 2015-04-28T18:24:52 < karlp> don't forget, lua is "no batteries included" 2015-04-28T18:25:08 < Getty> yeah i know how low lua is, and i still wouldnt make a bet on that 2015-04-28T18:25:24 < Getty> lua _IS_ the lowest, and you might cna port it yourself in a night the little details you might need to fix 2015-04-28T18:25:53 < karlp> look at the elua arch diagraam, "lua" is a tiny tiny portion of it, then the elua low ram patch on top 2015-04-28T18:26:10 < Getty> yeah but that patch is already modifing lua 8-) i mean... isnt that what we talk here? :) 2015-04-28T18:26:22 < Getty> or are you as C developer not seeing that as.... "a new thing" :) i mean ok, its a definition thing 2015-04-28T18:26:51 < Getty> might be really a pure perspective difference here :) 2015-04-28T18:27:27 < karlp> I'm saying that you might not even need the lowram patch, and that's somewhat standalone, elua includes networking, a shell and filesystem, and all the platform code to support adc and pin control and stuff, which is not needed for "running some scripts from sdcard that just call existing c functions" 2015-04-28T18:28:01 < Getty> did you actually tried it? :) isnt that easy to test? :) 2015-04-28T18:28:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:29:14 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:35:06 < karlp> did you? or are you just declaring that it won't work... 2015-04-28T18:36:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:37:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-28T18:37:30 < Getty> i talked with a lua friend, and he felt it would be tight, specific pointing out the RAM, after that talk i found elua (i was before tlaking more general about scripting options) 2015-04-28T18:38:28 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:42:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:43:43 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T18:43:43 -!- RaYmAn [rayman@rayman.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T18:44:25 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T18:47:11 < karlp> Getty: Just bear in mind that elua is lua (with patches) plus _a whole lot of other stuff_ that might not be what you're looking for. 2015-04-28T18:47:21 < karlp> elua is "use lua to write your embedded code" 2015-04-28T18:47:46 < karlp> the guy who isn't even here anymore wanted, "I want to run a lua script calling my existing C stuff" 2015-04-28T18:48:08 < karlp> this is the difference between embedding lua in your code, and your code being embedded lua 2015-04-28T18:49:00 < Getty> but you need to embed lua in case of microcontroller ;) but yeah i get your point, still he would have ended up using the elua-lua, and that is propagated at the base of it 2015-04-28T18:49:36 < Getty> he MIGHT have come up with just using lua..... and just not having a lot of problems elua patches solved, that might be true, but i wouldnt make a bet 2015-04-28T18:50:17 < karlp> but it's important to think of "I need to run lua first" maybe I'll need patches, so the goal is to run lua from elua, but not elua... 2015-04-28T18:50:49 < Getty> yeah well i didnt actually saw elua ever more as that 2015-04-28T18:51:04 < Getty> a thing to run lua that triggers things of my "actual code" 2015-04-28T18:51:24 < Getty> i never saw those "upper features" of elua relevant 2015-04-28T18:52:14 < Getty> but i think i get slowly where you are coming from, more like: lua is the tool in your environment, bend it for your needs 2015-04-28T18:52:35 < Getty> like it MIGHT have been a shorter path to integrate lua in his code and not stump down elua, but it would have been a tight race ;) 2015-04-28T18:52:55 < Getty> in the end, what interests me is still the precompiled part..... 2015-04-28T18:53:20 < Getty> and i dont have any good answer or info to that... its like regulary asked on the #elua channel but there is noone acutally answering anything ;) 2015-04-28T18:53:50 < Getty> there my lua knowledge ends about how the internal processes are abstractable 2015-04-28T18:54:52 -!- _franck__ [53c557de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.197.87.222] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2015-04-28T19:10:48 < yan_> i'm looking at the stm32 oscillator design guide and am trying to calculate the values of C1 and C2. If some oscillators have a Cl of ~6pF, when i subtract the stray capacitance, i end up solving C1*C2/C1+c2 that should equal to 1 (6pF-5pF). does that imply i shouldn't need load caps at all? 2015-04-28T19:14:21 < karlp> that's how most people live their lives :) 2015-04-28T19:14:31 < zyp> rule of thumb, C1 and C2 should be 2*Cl minus some for the stray capacitance 2015-04-28T19:15:06 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-28T19:15:20 < zyp> for a crystal with a Cl of 6pF, I'd throw on some 9pF caps, or whatever the common value in that area is 2015-04-28T19:15:44 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T19:16:22 < yan_> zyp: i assume the values don't need to be precise.. what are the repercussions of me over or underestimating it? 2015-04-28T19:16:47 < zyp> frequency offset 2015-04-28T19:17:36 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-28T19:18:47 < zyp> I once designed an RF board, crystal for the transceiver had a C_L of 16pF or so, and me not knowing the math around load caps just put on 16pF for each 2015-04-28T19:20:18 < zyp> the error it caused was still under 200ppm, but that was enough to move the 2.4GHz RF carrier frequency 0.4MHz away from where it should be 2015-04-28T19:20:40 < zyp> and with a channel width of 1MHz for the RF stuff, that's pretty bad 2015-04-28T19:21:26 < yan_> zyp: if i use a xtal with a CL of ~6-8pF, 9pF caps should be fine? 2015-04-28T19:21:53 < zyp> yeah 2015-04-28T19:22:29 < yan_> zyp: i'm also using a 0ohm resistor, which is okay but suboptimal as far as i can tell 2015-04-28T19:22:31 < zyp> and as long as you're not doing anything like RF, that needs that level of precision, you're probably fine either way 2015-04-28T19:22:39 < zyp> for what? 2015-04-28T19:22:43 < yan_> for LSE 2015-04-28T19:22:55 < zyp> you shouldn't bother with any resistors around that 2015-04-28T19:23:11 < yan_> figured.. i'm going to leave a footprint that i'll bridge 2015-04-28T19:23:31 < zyp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/crystal-load-wisdom.txt 2015-04-28T19:23:34 < yan_> last question, is there anything off about using 0402 decoupling caps? or should i shoot for something bigger? 2015-04-28T19:24:05 < zyp> 0402 is perfectly fine 2015-04-28T19:24:13 < yan_> excellent, thank you again 2015-04-28T19:24:41 < zyp> when you're talking pF, 0402 is pretty enormous 2015-04-28T19:24:56 < zyp> so just use whatever you're comfortable assembling 2015-04-28T19:25:19 < yan_> i was working with the discovery board and a bunch of breakouts, which isn't as usable anymore.. designing the final board now to continue firmware dev and want to make sure i don't make any dumb mistakes that will make the stm32 not start 2015-04-28T19:25:27 < yan_> well, schematics like 95% done, going to lay out soon 2015-04-28T19:26:48 < yan_> zyp: the decoupling caps are .1uf - 1uf (i was asking about decoupling, not load) 2015-04-28T19:26:56 < zyp> oh, sorry 2015-04-28T19:27:09 < zyp> 0402 is plenty huge for 100n too 2015-04-28T19:27:34 < yan_> zyp: thanks. i am goign to go with 0402 components for all decoupling then and struggle with the soldering 2015-04-28T19:28:16 < zyp> personally I'm designing with 0603, just because they don't have the tendency to tombstone during reflow that 0402 has 2015-04-28T19:28:35 < PeterM> plus they aren't really *that* much smaller 2015-04-28T19:28:53 < zyp> I did a board with 0402 once (that was that RF board), and I got pretty tired of fixing tombstones 2015-04-28T19:29:48 < ReadError> component boners* 2015-04-28T19:37:54 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T19:41:04 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-28T20:00:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-28T20:12:37 -!- mtbg [mtbg@k4be.pl] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T20:12:42 < mtbg> hi 2015-04-28T20:13:20 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T20:53:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T20:55:00 < Steffanx> Getty fyi, dekar did lua for stm32 and not elua. It's even used in a commercial product. 2015-04-28T20:55:34 < Getty> Steffanx: wow ok, couldnt imagine 2015-04-28T20:56:43 < Steffanx> another crazy german. 2015-04-28T20:57:34 < Getty> we just like if things are ceritificated for something ;-) 2015-04-28T21:05:11 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:05:46 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone suggest a nRF24L01 library for STM32F103? :\ 2015-04-28T21:22:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:31:06 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-28T21:32:39 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:34:52 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775ce9.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:34:57 < superbia> kek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuOrH9sSykk 2015-04-28T21:35:06 < superbia> sticker covering macbook logo 2015-04-28T21:36:39 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:50:24 -!- Ecco [~user@81-65-82-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:50:29 < Ecco> Hi everyone! 2015-04-28T21:50:36 < superbia> salut 2015-04-28T21:51:50 < GargantuaSauce> write one ColdKeyboard 2015-04-28T21:52:20 < GargantuaSauce> but here's mine http://pastebin.com/Mz6TuYh2 but it's probably shit, also synchronous instead of using spi interrupts or dma like it should 2015-04-28T21:52:45 < Steffanx> How fancy a F4 with mipi .. 2015-04-28T21:53:43 < Steffanx> why you didnt port arduino lib GargantuaSauce? 2015-04-28T21:54:01 < GargantuaSauce> i think i did start with tarduino copypasta 2015-04-28T21:54:04 < GargantuaSauce> i cant remember 2015-04-28T21:54:22 < GargantuaSauce> oh no it was some random chinese code 2015-04-28T21:55:01 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-28T21:55:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@2a02:1205:34e3:1c60:d824:644f:4ae6:ef54] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T21:55:26 < Steffanx> came with the order on a mini-cd? 2015-04-28T21:55:46 < GargantuaSauce> nah came from the googles 2015-04-28T21:56:56 < GargantuaSauce> i like how i have inconsistent naming for nss/csn 2015-04-28T21:56:58 < GargantuaSauce> just noticed that now 2015-04-28T22:05:00 < Ecco> Hi guys 2015-04-28T22:05:09 < Ecco> I'm trying to run code on an STM32 from SRAM 2015-04-28T22:05:17 < Ecco> (bare metal) 2015-04-28T22:05:33 < superbia> swedish metal 2015-04-28T22:05:40 < Ecco> Using openocd + some custom (very very small) C code, just to try it out 2015-04-28T22:05:41 < Ecco> http://pastie.org/10118799 2015-04-28T22:05:52 < Ecco> ^_ Here's what I'm doing (it's probably unconventional) 2015-04-28T22:06:08 < Ecco> For some reason, it always ends up in HardFault as soon as I try to run anything 2015-04-28T22:06:36 < ColdKeyboard> GargantuaSauce: I found one at https://github.com/coldkeyboard/stm32/blob/master/bike-computer/nRF24.c I'll try it now and see if it works :) 2015-04-28T22:07:04 < GargantuaSauce> if you can tolerate stdperiphlib i guess thats ok 2015-04-28T22:07:35 < ColdKeyboard> I'm using stdperiphlib and arm-gcc... it works okay for now :) 2015-04-28T22:07:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-28T22:09:45 < GargantuaSauce> make sure you read the datasheet anyway 2015-04-28T22:09:52 < GargantuaSauce> because there are things to take into account in its usage 2015-04-28T22:12:23 < yan_> can i get a sanity check? specifically how boot0/LSE xtal and USB is hooked up? http://i.imgur.com/F9Bg4AC.png 2015-04-28T22:12:44 < yan_> (USBDM and USBDP have 22ohm resistors inside a hierarchical sheet, and i have decoupling caps elsewhere) 2015-04-28T22:13:10 < yan_> er that and the cortex_dbg_connector 2015-04-28T22:14:25 < GargantuaSauce> maybe add a resistor in series with the reset switch, otherwise the cap does dickall for debouncing 2015-04-28T22:16:31 < GargantuaSauce> usb lines need to be pulled up/down to indicate speed to the host i think 2015-04-28T22:17:01 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@2a02:1205:34e3:1c60:d824:644f:4ae6:ef54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-28T22:17:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T22:18:08 < Steffanx> if you want to be a fullspeed usb device it can be necessary to add a 1.5k resistor on the d+ line yan_ 2015-04-28T22:18:18 < Steffanx> the l151 has it internally but it's not 1.5k 2015-04-28T22:18:23 < Steffanx> see errata 2015-04-28T22:18:51 < Ecco> Damn, you guys seem to know an awful lot about these beasts 2015-04-28T22:19:00 < Ecco> Would you mind spending a few minutes helping a newbie out? 2015-04-28T22:19:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T22:19:50 < yan_> Steffanx: i'm okay with it being a slow device.. i'm not going to be using USB lines initially, just routed them to have them connected in case i add HSE later 2015-04-28T22:20:00 < yan_> but i guess i can add pulldowns and leave out also 2015-04-28T22:20:20 < yan_> GargantuaSauce: would a 10k in series with reset switch be alright? 2015-04-28T22:21:00 < Steffanx> oh, you actually need it yan_, but if you trust the "not perfectly according to usb specs" internal pullup i guess you're ok. 2015-04-28T22:21:12 < Steffanx> for me it worked, for jpa- too iirc 2015-04-28T22:22:05 < GargantuaSauce> yan_: i cant remember what the internal pullup's value is, make sure the external one's small enough for the voltage to cross the low threshold 2015-04-28T22:22:10 < yan_> Steffanx: worked sans pullups? 2015-04-28T22:22:20 < yan_> GargantuaSauce: sorry, i meant 10k in series with NRST switch 2015-04-28T22:22:31 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-04-28T22:22:38 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T22:24:42 < GargantuaSauce> huh i guess the discovery boards don't use a resistor so maybe don't bother 2015-04-28T22:24:52 < Steffanx> yes, but .. don't trust pro irc EEs yan_ :P 2015-04-28T22:25:02 < yan_> GargantuaSauce: yeah, that's what i initially modeled after :P 2015-04-28T22:25:12 < yan_> Steffanx: irc EE > non-EE :) 2015-04-28T22:29:11 < GargantuaSauce> Ecco what exactly do you expect to be at address 0x400 2015-04-28T22:29:38 < Ecco> Nothing :) 2015-04-28T22:29:39 < superbia> dead beef 2015-04-28T22:29:53 < Ecco> I'm just trying to write some (predictable) stuff there 2015-04-28T22:29:57 < Ecco> and read it back using openocd 2015-04-28T22:30:03 < Ecco> to check that my code is actually running 2015-04-28T22:30:19 < Ecco> (thanks a lot for helping BTW) 2015-04-28T22:30:22 < englishman> arent you supposed to use the internal pullup, so you can switch it to disconnect the device? 2015-04-28T22:31:09 < englishman> L1 is pretty new i hope it would have this feature like F4 2015-04-28T22:31:19 < GargantuaSauce> Ecco i mean, what physically do you expect to be written to at that address 2015-04-28T22:31:22 < GargantuaSauce> (hint, there's nothing there) 2015-04-28T22:31:35 < Ecco> GargantuaSauce: Shouldn't it be the SRAM? 2015-04-28T22:31:40 < GargantuaSauce> read the reference manual 2015-04-28T22:31:45 < GargantuaSauce> sram starts at 0x20000000 2015-04-28T22:31:48 < Ecco> Ok, I read that 2015-04-28T22:31:59 < Ecco> but I thought that SRAM was aliased to 0x0 when booting off SRAM 2015-04-28T22:32:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T22:32:18 < Ecco> (but you're right, just to be sure I'll fix this) 2015-04-28T22:32:37 < Ecco> my code seems to crash way earlier though, since the first "step" in openocd yields a HardFault 2015-04-28T22:33:23 < yan_> ok adding 1.5k pull up to USBDP, leaving NRST switch as is (even if it's not debounced -- meh).. and assuming the debug connector is correctly connected 2015-04-28T22:34:15 < englishman> checking L0 discovery schematic theres no 1.5k pullup 2015-04-28T22:35:36 < Steffanx> englishman, the l1 has it, but it's not 1.5K 2015-04-28T22:35:41 < Steffanx> see errata 2015-04-28T22:35:51 < englishman> ya i just realized L1 is older and i dont have any documentation for it 2015-04-28T22:36:05 < GargantuaSauce> Ecco well i'm not familiar with your toolchain at all... is there an entry point missing from the paste or does clang arbitrarily choose a function if main is not defined 2015-04-28T22:36:45 < Ecco> GargantuaSauce: ok, it's lacking explanations I guess 2015-04-28T22:36:59 < Ecco> llvm is generating code based off my (incredibly simple) C code 2015-04-28T22:37:04 < Ecco> turns out, there's only one symbol 2015-04-28T22:37:08 < Ecco> what I'm doing here 2015-04-28T22:37:25 < Ecco> is extracting all the text section from my object file (i.e. all code that has been generated) 2015-04-28T22:37:38 < Ecco> copying it as-is in a .bin file 2015-04-28T22:37:42 < Ecco> and jumping to the first instruction 2015-04-28T22:37:52 < Ecco> given there's only one symbol, I thought it would work 2015-04-28T22:37:52 < GargantuaSauce> how do you know it's a hardfault? 2015-04-28T22:37:58 < Ecco> openocd says so 2015-04-28T22:38:17 < Ecco> (see the end of http://pastie.org/10118799) 2015-04-28T22:38:47 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T22:38:58 < yan_> Steffanx: it wants me to add a pullup to another GPIO, which i don't know if i want to use on this.. thinking of just leaving as is and use as a slow device 2015-04-28T22:39:07 < GargantuaSauce> i am not sure how it detects this but if it's just looking at the instruction pointer then i should point out that if you haven't set up any other handlers they'll probably all point to the same place, including the reset handler 2015-04-28T22:40:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-28T22:40:44 < Ecco> Well, in *theory* I should have set a bunch of handlers (to fake values, see the beginning of http://pastie.org/10118799) 2015-04-28T22:41:10 < Steffanx> low speed also needs the pullup iirc yan_, but on the d- line 2015-04-28T22:42:08 < Steffanx> if you don't want to do "real" disconnects from software you can also do a pullup without gpio 2015-04-28T22:45:16 < GargantuaSauce> and you're writing code.bin to 0x200? 2015-04-28T22:45:31 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T22:45:33 < GargantuaSauce> oh you just catenate htem 2015-04-28T22:45:48 < GargantuaSauce> i still think this is sketchy as fuck 2015-04-28T22:46:06 < Ecco> Yeah, it most definitely is :-D 2015-04-28T22:46:21 < Ecco> I'm trying to do something super simple 2015-04-28T22:46:37 < Ecco> vector table + some dead-stupid code 2015-04-28T22:46:58 < yan_> Steffanx: the discovery schematics just have a straight 1k5 pullup on the DM line, no GPIO or anything else, might just do that 2015-04-28T22:48:11 < Ecco> my "vector table" is 512bytes long (most of it is zero anyway), then I concatenate the resulting code, so I thought that a reset address of 0x200 would make me execute said code 2015-04-28T22:49:47 < GargantuaSauce> are we sure the sram isn't being cleared when oocd resets the target 2015-04-28T22:50:37 < Ecco> Good question 2015-04-28T22:50:40 < Ecco> but i did a dump 2015-04-28T22:50:42 < Ecco> and it seemed allright 2015-04-28T22:50:59 < Ecco> just in case, I also re-uploaded my binary before doing the "step" 2015-04-28T22:51:03 < Ecco> and it does the exact same crash 2015-04-28T22:51:21 < Ecco> At that point I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong since it crashes so early (just a single step!) 2015-04-28T22:51:33 < GargantuaSauce> oh double check that stack pointer 2015-04-28T22:51:39 < GargantuaSauce> isnt that a megabyte after the sram start 2015-04-28T22:51:49 < Ecco> Hmm, yeah it might be 2015-04-28T22:51:56 < Ecco> how would that crash though? 2015-04-28T22:52:05 < GargantuaSauce> how would it not 2015-04-28T22:52:14 < Ecco> well, not on the first instruction :-) 2015-04-28T22:52:31 < GargantuaSauce> what if the first instruction is a push! 2015-04-28T22:52:42 < Ecco> yeah but it's not :) 2015-04-28T22:52:51 < Ecco> 00000000 b082 sub sp, #0x8 2015-04-28T22:52:57 < GargantuaSauce> xPSR: 0x00000003 pc: 0x00000200 msp: 0x200fffe0 2015-04-28T22:53:00 < GargantuaSauce> it's obviously been decremented 2015-04-28T22:53:06 < Ecco> indeed it has 2015-04-28T22:53:51 < Ecco> that's weird BTW isn't it? 2015-04-28T22:54:04 < GargantuaSauce> i dunno man this is hurting my brain 2015-04-28T22:54:08 < Ecco> :-D 2015-04-28T22:54:12 < GargantuaSauce> you should start somewhere saner 2015-04-28T22:54:12 < Ecco> Sorry pal :) 2015-04-28T22:54:32 < Ecco> sub, #0x8 2015-04-28T22:54:36 < Ecco> damned 2015-04-28T22:54:40 < Ecco> sub sp, #0x8 2015-04-28T22:54:49 < Ecco> does mean "sp = sp-8", right? 2015-04-28T22:56:13 < GargantuaSauce> probably. not up on my thumb instructions 2015-04-28T22:56:31 < Ecco> ok :) 2015-04-28T22:57:40 < Ecco> What would be a saner value for SP? 2015-04-28T22:57:47 < Ecco> 0x20008000 ? 2015-04-28T22:58:32 < GargantuaSauce> which mcu 2015-04-28T22:58:59 < Ecco> STM32F429 2015-04-28T22:59:14 < Ecco> (SRAM is at 0x20000000) 2015-04-28T22:59:16 < GargantuaSauce> oh yeah then thats fine 2015-04-28T22:59:25 < Ecco> ok :) Same crash :-/ 2015-04-28T22:59:34 < Ecco> well it's not even a crash it's "HardFault" 2015-04-28T23:01:36 < Ecco> Anyway, you're right, my explanation were too complicated 2015-04-28T23:01:41 < Ecco> I made them a lot simple there : 2015-04-28T23:01:42 < Ecco> http://pastie.org/10118905 2015-04-28T23:02:18 < Ecco> THe first hex dump is what I'm uploading to SRAM at address 0x0 (I'm in the boot-from-SRAM mode, where 0x2000000 is aliased at 0x0) 2015-04-28T23:02:30 < Ecco> I included a disassembly of the relevant part 2015-04-28T23:02:56 < GargantuaSauce> you've gotten it to successfully work booting from flash right? 2015-04-28T23:03:19 < Ecco> yeah 2015-04-28T23:04:02 < rkreis_> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c5d3ffa3528cd121ae4c comment in line 38 by me, is that a bug or why would the flash loader code be like that? 2015-04-28T23:07:57 < ColdKeyboard> How can I enable/disable pull-up/down on STM32F103 via stdperiphlib? I can't find the options in GPIO_InitTypeDef :\ 2015-04-28T23:09:15 < GargantuaSauce> uh, Gpio_PuPd? 2015-04-28T23:11:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3cf570d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T23:15:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-28T23:16:12 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1233:4d01:8ed:a1d7:b076:b1c] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T23:19:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T23:22:39 < Ecco> ok got it figured out thanks to an awesome dude in #openocd :) 2015-04-28T23:22:48 < Ecco> Turns out, the lowest bit of the PC has to be set 2015-04-28T23:22:58 < Ecco> so that the code is interpreted as thumb and not arm 2015-04-28T23:24:43 < GargantuaSauce> ahhhhh 2015-04-28T23:25:04 < GargantuaSauce> oh i see it was PaulFertser being a superstar as always 2015-04-28T23:25:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T23:31:02 -!- daniele12457 [~daniele12@5.175.162.131] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T23:39:11 < ColdKeyboard> GargantuaSauce: In which library do I find Gpio_PuPd? It's not in GPIO and just writting Gpio_PuPd gives an "could not be resolved" notice :\ 2015-04-28T23:39:30 < englishman> which stdlib are you using 2015-04-28T23:40:39 < englishman> you select the GPIOMode_TypeDef to be pu/pd etc 2015-04-28T23:40:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3cf570d5.016-361-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T23:40:58 < englishman> so instead of GPIO_Mode_IN_FLOATING youd choose GPIO_Mode_IPU for example 2015-04-28T23:41:00 < englishman> for f1 2015-04-28T23:41:33 < englishman> for f3 theres its own GPIOPuPd_TypeDef 2015-04-28T23:41:44 < englishman> not sure about other stdperiphlibs 2015-04-28T23:43:33 < Simon--> HOWDo_IwRite_a_STDpEriPHLIB 2015-04-28T23:44:00 < Simon--> what's a C? inline function what? 2015-04-28T23:44:04 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775ce9.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-28T23:46:06 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdghpbbmempjfvvh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-28T23:46:06 < Simon--> ColdKeyboard: eg STM32F30x_StdPeriph_Driver/inc/stm32f30x_gpio.h defines GPIO_PuPd_UP 2015-04-28T23:46:25 < englishman> tehres a super handy .chf included with each stdperiphlib 2015-04-28T23:46:27 < englishman> collect em all 2015-04-28T23:46:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-28T23:46:39 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-28T23:47:04 < englishman> .chm whatever 2015-04-28T23:47:14 < ambro718> Hey. What do the ADC mappings in the alternate function table mean - why is PA4 listed as "ADC12_IN4" ? 2015-04-28T23:47:45 < Simon--> PA4 can be ADC1 or ADC2 input channel 4 2015-04-28T23:47:50 < ambro718> also I see ADC123_IN1, ADC3_IN8.... 2015-04-28T23:48:17 < ambro718> Simon--: there is only one ADC in the chip as far as I can see 2015-04-28T23:48:31 < englishman> which chip 2015-04-28T23:48:50 < zyp> IIRC F303 has four actually 2015-04-28T23:48:56 < ambro718> 429 2015-04-28T23:48:56 < Simon--> yeah, f303 has 4 2015-04-28T23:49:09 < ColdKeyboard> Simon--: I'm using STM32F10x_StdPeriph_Driver and I can't find GPIO_PuPd_UP anywhere :\ 2015-04-28T23:49:13 < zyp> F429 has three 2015-04-28T23:49:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-28T23:49:26 < englishman> ColdKeyboard: thats cuz its f1 2015-04-28T23:49:39 < ColdKeyboard> F1 doesn't have pull-up/down control? 2015-04-28T23:49:41 < englishman> its like the first example 2015-04-28T23:49:43 < englishman> yes 2015-04-28T23:49:44 < englishman> it does 2015-04-28T23:49:48 < zyp> it's dumb 2015-04-28T23:49:49 < englishman> so instead of GPIO_Mode_IN_FLOATING youd choose GPIO_Mode_IPU for example 2015-04-28T23:49:52 < Simon--> but they couldn't figure out how to write a _std_periphlib 2015-04-28T23:49:54 -!- alexn [~alexn@2001:a60:1233:4d01:8ed:a1d7:b076:b1c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-28T23:50:09 < ambro718> ah yes I see... strange things... 2015-04-28T23:50:09 < zyp> ColdKeyboard, for F1, ODR controls whether it's PU or PD in pull mode 2015-04-28T23:50:27 < zyp> IIRC 2015-04-28T23:51:00 < englishman> ColdKeyboard = FreezingCold? 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2015-04-29T00:50:06 < Simon--> uh oh ;) 2015-04-29T00:50:12 < zyp> vim? 2015-04-29T00:50:55 < kakimir> no 2015-04-29T00:51:00 < kakimir> wrong answer 2015-04-29T00:51:13 < kakimir> something that humans use 2015-04-29T00:53:50 < kakimir> and when eclipse is still too heavy 2015-04-29T00:54:43 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-29T00:56:28 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T01:00:13 < kakimir> lets try neatbeans 2015-04-29T01:00:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR2] 2015-04-29T01:08:29 < ambro718> kate/kdevelop obviously 2015-04-29T01:09:22 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-29T01:15:08 < Fleck> kakimir: https://atom.io/ ? 2015-04-29T01:16:44 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-29T01:20:05 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-29T01:29:24 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-29T01:33:55 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T01:34:49 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-133-208-210-99.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-29T01:38:57 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-29T01:42:48 < Laurenceb> i just use gedit 2015-04-29T01:42:50 < Laurenceb> simples 2015-04-29T01:48:57 < GargantuaSauce> someone in here uses qt creator dont they 2015-04-29T01:52:42 < karlp> yeh, he's working ont he bare metal plugin too, who was it again? 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2015-04-29T03:27:25 < dongs> > good 2015-04-29T03:27:28 < dongs> > vnc 2015-04-29T03:27:42 < kakimir> `.9 2015-04-29T03:28:05 < jef79m> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1009724580/sever-the-anti-villain-box 2015-04-29T03:42:46 < GargantuaSauce> i used to use realvnc 2015-04-29T03:42:51 < GargantuaSauce> rdp is definitely superior though 2015-04-29T03:43:04 < dongs> verily 2015-04-29T03:48:42 < GargantuaSauce> lol that kickstarter 2015-04-29T03:48:53 < GargantuaSauce> let's take anonabox and make the claims even more ridiculous! 2015-04-29T03:53:07 < Getty> i am just curious why they added the 10x network speed element 2015-04-29T03:53:08 < karlp> toggling bits 2015-04-29T03:53:44 < Getty> i mean everything else sounds at least like physical possible in some halfdream world, but.. but.... increase network speed? 2015-04-29T03:54:19 < Getty> why?...... why someone put that on there? do they really believe this? is this some weird definition they mean i could not see here? ;) 2015-04-29T04:07:36 < jef79m> perhaps there own internal netowkr has a misconifgured procy that bottlenecks their connection, when testing it internally it bypassed that proxy and they got a 10x speed increase. QED. 2015-04-29T04:07:45 < jef79m> woha. typos. 2015-04-29T04:12:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T04:15:28 < Getty> jef79m: lol 2015-04-29T04:15:31 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T04:15:36 < Getty> jef79m: you know what scares me? you make sense..... 2015-04-29T04:16:31 < jef79m> if I was starting a kickstarter, and the first test I conducted showed a 10x increase in speed, THATS the numbers I'd be quoting. Because i'm a fucking scammer. 2015-04-29T04:16:36 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T04:16:44 < jef79m> no further research needed. 2015-04-29T04:16:53 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-29T04:17:01 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T04:18:28 < jef79m> "Protects against crypto-lockers, malware, and bots" Because you can't download malware over an encrypted connection, right? 2015-04-29T04:19:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-29T04:21:01 < jef79m> I think this is someone's university marketing assignment gone bad. 2015-04-29T04:22:51 < kakimir> scamstarter 2015-04-29T04:36:27 < Getty> if one feature of the kickstarter is worth a complete kickstarter, then it might be a scam ;) 2015-04-29T04:36:31 < Getty> i think thats a good rule of thumb 2015-04-29T04:36:54 < Getty> i would pay 500$ for a device that makes my line 10 times faster ;) 2015-04-29T04:37:05 < Getty> i would pay 1000$ for this! 2015-04-29T04:37:34 < Getty> WHAT ABOUT......... IF WE STACK THEM?????? 8-) 2015-04-29T04:50:28 < kakimir> what about we raise level of this channel by not pointing out every kickstarter scam there is 2015-04-29T04:51:19 < jef79m> kakimir: :( 2015-04-29T05:01:52 < englishman> dongs, altium pro assistance needed 2015-04-29T05:01:59 < englishman> on pcb i have a component off the screen 2015-04-29T05:02:03 < englishman> how do i get it back 2015-04-29T05:02:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-29T05:03:42 < PeterM> englishman rightclick> find similar>type in shit about component > open in pcb inspectr > change co-ords to sane location 2015-04-29T05:03:55 < englishman> i dont know what component it is 2015-04-29T05:03:57 < englishman> its off screen 2015-04-29T05:04:06 < englishman> theres ratlines going to it 2015-04-29T05:05:00 < PeterM> use select outside area then 2015-04-29T05:05:17 < englishman> i tried that, for some reason it selects a polygon pour inside the box i drag 2015-04-29T05:07:05 < PeterM> ctrl+a, then deselet ->inside area? 2015-04-29T05:07:32 < englishman> aha, that worked :) 2015-04-29T05:09:00 < englishman> thanks 2015-04-29T05:10:39 < PeterM> what was it? 2015-04-29T05:11:03 < englishman> decoupling cap 2015-04-29T05:11:19 < englishman> decided to shoot itself 20 inches to the left 2015-04-29T05:29:21 -!- Roklobotomy [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-70-192.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-29T05:43:30 -!- pmartnhoj [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T05:47:40 < englishman> it was pretty funny 2015-04-29T06:19:24 < emeb_mac> hey everyone - let's put on a show for R2COM 2015-04-29T06:41:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T06:48:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-29T06:49:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T06:58:20 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T07:12:42 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T07:37:14 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-27-119.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-29T07:40:48 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T07:50:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-29T07:51:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T07:52:54 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, L1 USB with internal pull-up and HSI only has worked for me on every board (5 so far); only tested in room temperature though 2015-04-29T08:07:23 < dongs> englishman: pcb list or what PeterM said 2015-04-29T08:07:39 < englishman> ya fixxed 2015-04-29T08:08:34 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@180-150-98-89.cust.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T08:17:46 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-29T08:22:39 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T08:22:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-04-29T08:27:13 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T08:36:38 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f776e12.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T08:45:44 < dongs> http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/cool-story-brah-cat.jpeg 2015-04-29T08:47:08 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T09:04:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T09:54:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T10:04:32 -!- Blarg [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T10:04:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.219] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T10:14:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-29T10:15:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T10:24:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-29T10:31:27 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/JACwaSE.gifv 2015-04-29T10:31:28 < ReadError> is that jap 2015-04-29T10:50:24 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:12:53 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:13:01 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-29T11:15:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:23:03 < dongs> openin them sores 2015-04-29T11:24:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:37:01 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@180-150-98-89.cust.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2015-04-29T11:48:55 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-93-131.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:51:26 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:51:34 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T11:59:36 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-29T12:00:00 < daniele12457> Hi guys, Is anyone working on coresight? 2015-04-29T12:00:31 < dongs> define "working" 2015-04-29T12:01:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-29T12:01:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T12:03:17 < jpa-> daniele12457: i have done some ETM/ITM decoding 2015-04-29T12:03:34 < dongs> jpa is hackaday contributor 2015-04-29T12:03:35 < dongs> superpro 2015-04-29T12:03:50 < jpa-> daniele12457: coresight is pretty wide topic, which part are you interested in? 2015-04-29T12:04:16 < daniele12457> programming or doing something or had experience. 2015-04-29T12:04:16 < daniele12457> with ptm etb funnel and so on 2015-04-29T12:04:39 < jpa-> doesn't sound like a question 2015-04-29T12:05:00 < daniele12457> :X, I'm interested in the CTX cross trigger interface 2015-04-29T12:05:29 < jpa-> the pretty limited stuff on stm32 or something else? 2015-04-29T12:05:40 < daniele12457> I want to know if I can halt the processor when I see a swi instruction 2015-04-29T12:05:53 < daniele12457> right know im working on the omap 4460 2015-04-29T12:06:31 < jpa-> can't you just put a breakpoint in the SWI handler? 2015-04-29T12:07:29 < daniele12457> what do you mean? 2015-04-29T12:07:55 < jpa-> swi causes it to jump to the swi handler, right? 2015-04-29T12:07:56 < daniele12457> do you mean put sigint in the in the code? 2015-04-29T12:08:00 < daniele12457> yup 2015-04-29T12:08:11 < daniele12457> I dont want to modify the kernel 2015-04-29T12:08:19 < daniele12457> ok.. 2015-04-29T12:08:19 < jpa-> and then you can just use the debugger (or raw coresight registers if you are hardcore) to set a breakpoint there 2015-04-29T12:08:20 < daniele12457> wait 2015-04-29T12:08:40 < daniele12457> so do you mean I can use the ptm to trace 2015-04-29T12:08:53 < daniele12457> and then set the hardware breakpoint to the swi handler? 2015-04-29T12:09:08 < daniele12457> to halt the processor then the swi handler is called? 2015-04-29T12:09:12 < jpa-> umm yeah, tracing is independent of the breakpoints 2015-04-29T12:09:23 < daniele12457> because when you trace the syscall 2015-04-29T12:09:30 < daniele12457> you dont get the full argument 2015-04-29T12:09:34 < daniele12457> you only get the pointer 2015-04-29T12:09:45 < daniele12457> I want to have the arguments too 2015-04-29T12:10:06 < daniele12457> to my idea is to halt the processor then the swi handler is called 2015-04-29T12:10:11 < jpa-> is it ok to pause the cpu? 2015-04-29T12:10:13 < daniele12457> then dump the memory 2015-04-29T12:10:19 < daniele12457> yes 2015-04-29T12:10:31 < daniele12457> I wan to do malware analisys 2015-04-29T12:10:42 < jpa-> why not just breakpoint SWI_Handler commands 1 bt full; continue; end in gdb? 2015-04-29T12:11:36 < daniele12457> interesting things :X 2015-04-29T12:11:53 < daniele12457> Why didn't i though it before? 2015-04-29T12:12:04 < daniele12457> jpa-, but you mean by mean of jtag right? 2015-04-29T12:12:05 < jpa-> it's pretty useful for many things :) 2015-04-29T12:12:10 < jpa-> jtag or swd, yes 2015-04-29T12:12:34 < daniele12457> so openocd is the right tools... then I put the breakpoint.. 2015-04-29T12:12:57 < daniele12457> you mean hardware breakpoint? 2015-04-29T12:13:03 < jpa-> sure 2015-04-29T12:13:21 < daniele12457> last things 2015-04-29T12:13:34 < daniele12457> how can I find the address of the swi_Handler 2015-04-29T12:14:06 < daniele12457> should I breakpoint at the physical address or the virtual one? 2015-04-29T12:14:15 < jpa-> well, if you have debugging symbols, from there 2015-04-29T12:14:37 < jpa-> i don't have experience in using gdb with processors with MMU, so you'll have to google that question 2015-04-29T12:14:40 < daniele12457> debugging symbols of the android kernel? 2015-04-29T12:14:45 < jpa-> yeah 2015-04-29T12:15:04 < jpa-> if you do not, you can find one SWI instruction, set breakpoint there, then use "stepi" to step until it goes to the handler 2015-04-29T12:15:05 < daniele12457> true, that's interesting xD 2015-04-29T12:15:09 < dongs> lol malware on lunix 2015-04-29T12:15:14 < dongs> does anyone actually care 2015-04-29T12:15:16 < jpa-> then you will know the SWI handler address 2015-04-29T12:15:17 < dongs> i'm guessing: no 2015-04-29T12:15:27 < jpa-> dongs: maybe 80% of smartphone users? 2015-04-29T12:15:30 < dongs> lunix IS malware 2015-04-29T12:15:30 < daniele12457> on android 2015-04-29T12:15:39 < daniele12457> so yes :) 2015-04-29T12:15:43 < daniele12457> people do care 2015-04-29T12:16:17 < dongs> probly same "people" whjo install antivirus on PCs 2015-04-29T12:16:38 < daniele12457> jpa-, Antivirus is a virus. 2015-04-29T12:16:58 < daniele12457> it took a lots of computer resources 2015-04-29T12:17:25 < dongs> isnt there like 2 smartphoines using omap 2015-04-29T12:17:28 < dongs> and nobody uses those 2015-04-29T12:17:39 < daniele12457> it's in general 2015-04-29T12:17:54 < daniele12457> but they use arm cortex anyway 2015-04-29T12:18:03 < daniele12457> so it doesn't depends on the soc 2015-04-29T12:18:18 < daniele12457> more on the debugging capability of the soc, which remain the same 2015-04-29T12:18:37 < daniele12457> jpa-, xD are you some sort of guru? 2015-04-29T12:18:56 < jpa-> nope 2015-04-29T12:19:00 < jpa-> i'm a troll 2015-04-29T12:19:05 < daniele12457> jpa-, are you working on some project anyway? 2015-04-29T12:19:16 < jpa-> no way, i just idle on irc all day 2015-04-29T12:19:30 < daniele12457> really? 2015-04-29T12:19:55 < daniele12457> I'm doing my master thesis on this, and I got little stack here. 2015-04-29T12:20:19 < daniele12457> Since it's a really complicated argument. 2015-04-29T12:21:24 < jpa-> yeah, complicated arguments take a lot of stack to store 2015-04-29T12:21:37 < dongs> daniele12457: jpa's paypal email is jpa@hm.mail.kapsi.fi 2015-04-29T12:21:57 < jpa-> actually it is jpa@pp.mail.kapsi.fi, 'hm' stands for 'homepage' 2015-04-29T12:22:00 < dongs> since youre getting help on homework and such 2015-04-29T12:23:33 < daniele12457> what's is for? 2015-04-29T12:25:24 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-29T12:29:25 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T12:29:50 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T12:37:30 < PeterM> jpa also takes hot stone massages, bubblebaths andblowjobs as payment, pm him for my details 2015-04-29T12:37:55 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f776e12.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-29T12:39:32 < jpa-> PeterM: you may have inflated beliefs of yourself, but you still aren't Tectu 2015-04-29T12:39:56 < PeterM> jpa- i didnt say i was offering payment 2015-04-29T12:40:08 < jpa-> "for my details" 2015-04-29T12:40:17 < PeterM> derp 2015-04-29T12:40:25 < PeterM> my>more 2015-04-29T12:40:40 < jpa-> yeah, see, there are the inflated beliefs again 2015-04-29T12:40:45 < jpa-> "i'm more than more!!!" 2015-04-29T12:40:55 < PeterM> yeah nah fuckoff 2015-04-29T12:45:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.27] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T12:50:09 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac0a4.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T12:50:25 < dongs> looool 2015-04-29T12:50:39 < dongs> i thought 'my details' was intentional too 2015-04-29T12:56:20 < Fleck> lol 2015-04-29T13:05:39 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@gumitek-2.superhosting.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-29T13:10:46 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac0a4.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-29T13:14:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-29T13:23:56 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad10d.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T13:42:29 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T14:43:00 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T14:44:50 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqdwncnragnazjug] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-29T14:45:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-29T14:56:49 < zyp> 11:17:25 < dongs> isnt there like 2 smartphoines using omap 2015-04-29T14:56:49 < zyp> 11:17:28 < dongs> and nobody uses those 2015-04-29T14:57:07 < zyp> there were a ton of smartphones using omap back when it was current gen 2015-04-29T14:58:53 < Lux> came with some stm32f030s ordered from aliexpress: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2397yvuwt12ykoz/IMG_20150429_132001.jpg 2015-04-29T14:59:07 < Lux> first time i see a hand written note from the chinese 2015-04-29T15:00:01 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-93-131.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-29T15:00:58 < daniele12457> Lux, did you order or it's a present? 2015-04-29T15:01:15 < daniele12457> anyway, it's seems a nfc reader 2015-04-29T15:02:00 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T15:02:00 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2015-04-29T15:02:00 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T15:02:12 < ReadError> wow their handwriting is better than mine 2015-04-29T15:03:53 < akaWolf> Nokia, for example 2015-04-29T15:03:55 < akaWolf> used Omap 2015-04-29T15:06:50 < jpa-> yeah, real relevant for current malware ;) 2015-04-29T15:07:39 < zyp> heh, that it's not 2015-04-29T15:07:49 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T15:15:29 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dl6K8ai5J9s 2015-04-29T15:16:08 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-29T15:16:22 < dongs> Lux: lol 2015-04-29T15:22:44 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad10d.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-29T15:34:26 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0add9c.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T15:38:22 < dongs> wtf 2015-04-29T15:38:28 < dongs> i cant figure out how to display cursors in RF mode 2015-04-29T15:38:32 < dongs> on the tek 2015-04-29T15:42:19 < Lux> i was really surprised yeah ^^ 2015-04-29T15:42:31 < Lux> even came in a cardboard box 2015-04-29T15:42:57 < Lux> daniele12457: i ordered it on aliexpress, it's supposed to be a sd-card reader 2015-04-29T15:50:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T15:57:27 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T15:59:34 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T16:03:20 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0add9c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-29T16:05:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3g7y46G.png is this LTE? 2015-04-29T16:08:20 < englishman> dongs, state of lunix security https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1219337 2015-04-29T16:09:35 < dongs> thats from 2013 2015-04-29T16:09:40 < dongs> please tel me they fixed this 2015-04-29T16:09:42 < dongs> by 2015 Q2 2015-04-29T16:10:49 < englishman> > We do plan on backporting monolithic timer support, we just have not had time yet. 2015-04-29T16:10:50 < dongs> y 2015-04-29T16:10:53 < PaulFertser> englishman: how is that linux-related at all? Setting time is a priviledged operation, if ubuntu misconfigures their DEs, it's a ubuntu bug then. 2015-04-29T16:11:04 < dongs> heh 2015-04-29T16:11:11 < dongs> shifting hte blame 2015-04-29T16:12:05 < akaWolf> :) 2015-04-29T16:12:11 < akaWolf> PaulFertser is right 2015-04-29T16:12:14 < PaulFertser> How is that shifting? An OS designer decided that's ok to grant regular users a right to change system time. It's his own fault then. 2015-04-29T16:13:46 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T16:13:58 < akaWolf> it's not linux-related 2015-04-29T16:15:18 < englishman> is ubuntu not lunix 2015-04-29T16:15:21 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f77404b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T16:15:24 < englishman> Is it windows now 2015-04-29T16:15:49 < akaWolf> you are not understand the difference between the kernel and operation system 2015-04-29T16:15:59 < englishman> ok 2015-04-29T16:16:19 < englishman> that's a pretty poor defense 2015-04-29T16:16:25 < specing> what is this 2015-04-29T16:16:38 < specing> how is this related to stm32 2015-04-29T16:16:39 < akaWolf> that's only Ubuntu-related bug, not more 2015-04-29T16:16:44 < superbia> is this lunix chanel 2015-04-29T16:16:47 < superbia> gtfo 2015-04-29T16:16:55 < specing> exactly 2015-04-29T16:16:59 < specing> no lunixing in here 2015-04-29T16:17:00 < englishman> clearly only topics viewed on lkml are lunix-related everything else is just opensores 2015-04-29T16:18:30 < akaWolf> specing, superbia: developing an SF for STM32 is very correlate with Linux as an Designing Station for many of us 2015-04-29T16:18:37 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-29T16:18:57 < akaWolf> SF=firmware 2015-04-29T16:19:07 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T16:21:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.219] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T16:26:03 < specing> sentence parse error. 2015-04-29T16:27:04 < Fleck> ;p 2015-04-29T16:28:52 < superbia> did you write something ? 2015-04-29T16:28:54 < superbia> i got netsplit 2015-04-29T16:29:24 < Fleck> nope, your client sent /quit 2015-04-29T16:32:16 < specing> akaWolf did 2015-04-29T16:32:28 < specing> I could not parse what he/she/it said 2015-04-29T16:33:05 < specing> or more accurately, "meant" 2015-04-29T16:36:06 < akaWolf> developing of firmware is very correlate with GNU/Linux 2015-04-29T16:39:31 < akaWolf> for many of us, since we are using that kind of OS for our projects 2015-04-29T16:39:52 < akaWolf> as host OS 2015-04-29T16:42:58 < specing> semantic error 2015-04-29T16:43:00 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, fuckin lolled 2015-04-29T16:43:21 < akaWolf> specing: gtfo then 2015-04-29T16:43:32 < akaWolf> "it" 2015-04-29T16:46:32 < akaWolf> my english isnt ideal, but it's not give you the right to offend me 2015-04-29T16:52:57 < Fleck> akaWolf: ne biri v golovu, on dumaet shto ochen krut prosto... 2015-04-29T16:53:41 < akaWolf> Fleck: ok :) 2015-04-29T17:04:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-29T17:08:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T17:08:43 < zyp> PaulFertser, in my opinion, system time is not something that should be trusted 2015-04-29T17:09:36 < PaulFertser> zyp: what time can be trusted then? 2015-04-29T17:10:19 < PaulFertser> zyp: setting system time was priviledged operations since like ages, I think. I'm not a UNIX guru but I'd be surprised if it was possible to change system time without root there. 2015-04-29T17:11:37 < zyp> if you trust system time, that kinda implies you trust your ntp server, which is unencrypted and unverified and thus easy to hijack 2015-04-29T17:12:32 < akaWolf> you are free to not using ntp server... 2015-04-29T17:12:56 < PaulFertser> zyp: good point indeed. I think that's one of the reasons sudo switched to using a monotonic timer. 2015-04-29T17:13:03 < zyp> for something like sudo, a combination of CLOCK_MONOTONIC and some sort of token randomized on boot to ensure it's invalidated on a reboot should work 2015-04-29T17:13:09 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-29T17:14:08 < akaWolf> zyp: yeah... 2015-04-29T17:14:24 < PaulFertser> NTPv4 does support crypto auth though. 2015-04-29T17:16:05 < zyp> «it can be done in a secure way» does not imply «it is done in a secure way and we can thus trust it» 2015-04-29T17:17:00 < PaulFertser> Indeed 2015-04-29T17:19:21 < akaWolf> :) 2015-04-29T17:19:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-29T17:19:56 < akaWolf> I think, we can give a freedom to user to use variants... 2015-04-29T17:19:59 < specing> everything is done in an insecure way by default 2015-04-29T17:20:10 < akaWolf> or even we should give... 2015-04-29T17:21:17 < jpa-> though, if someone walks to an unlocked terminal of a sudo-capable user, they can just install a keylogger and wait 2015-04-29T17:25:18 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T17:28:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-29T17:29:20 < gxti> did sumbudy say ntp 2015-04-29T17:32:46 < dongs> heh 2015-04-29T17:34:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-29T17:34:31 < BrainDamage> never tells time 2015-04-29T17:35:03 < Lux> dongs: have you ever tried the rtx rtos that also comes with keil ? 2015-04-29T17:36:26 < akaWolf> Lux: something wrong with RTX? 2015-04-29T17:36:44 < Lux> just asking, as i'm about to try it 2015-04-29T17:37:10 < akaWolf> not so bad choise, I think 2015-04-29T17:38:29 < akaWolf> I tried it few years ago... 2015-04-29T17:38:51 < akaWolf> found it more reliable, than, say, Micrium... 2015-04-29T17:39:19 < dongs> lux, sorta, but not a lot 2015-04-29T17:39:23 < dongs> wasnt my proj 2015-04-29T17:47:01 < Lux> thanks, I'm about to find out =) 2015-04-29T17:47:03 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXSJ7dprzf4 2015-04-29T17:57:44 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f77404b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-29T17:59:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2015-04-29T18:11:06 -!- mumptai [~calle@xd9322dc2.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T18:15:18 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T18:19:42 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-04-29T18:21:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-29T18:24:54 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles_] 2015-04-29T18:26:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T18:31:55 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T18:32:36 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-29T18:43:42 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twwoykcqprineeht] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T18:45:45 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T18:57:21 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T19:00:55 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.27] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T19:05:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T19:10:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T19:13:15 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T19:15:42 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2015/04/28/upgrading-a-microsoft-surface-to-a-1-tb-ssd/ 2015-04-29T19:18:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.155] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T19:22:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMQZk8t4frw lol 2015-04-29T19:25:00 < malinus> dongs: he just need an x-ray machine to double check :) 2015-04-29T19:30:59 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-29T19:34:32 < ReadError> http://happyplace.someecards.com/graffiti/a-graffiti-artist-named-wanksy-found-a-cheeky-way-to-force-his-city-to-fix-potholes/ 2015-04-29T19:35:07 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-29T19:35:40 < PeterM> dongs interesting reballing method 2015-04-29T19:35:50 < dongs> ghettoballing 2015-04-29T19:37:29 < PeterM> ive usually seen it done with stainless steel stencils and paste *shrugs* 2015-04-29T19:37:41 < dongs> ive seen it with stencils and actual balls 2015-04-29T19:40:07 < PeterM> that works too 2015-04-29T19:40:12 < jpa-> but wtf is going on with that video? some crappy deshake? 2015-04-29T19:40:15 < Laurenceb__> wtf 2015-04-29T19:40:19 < Laurenceb__> how could that ever work 2015-04-29T19:40:26 -!- mumptai [~calle@xd9322dc2.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-29T19:40:30 < dongs> never underestimate some guy in turkey with unlimited time 2015-04-29T19:40:44 < dongs> who will get paid $20 for fixing it 2015-04-29T19:40:44 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, i dont see where your problem is? 2015-04-29T19:40:59 < Laurenceb__> i should watch to the end... 2015-04-29T19:41:08 < Laurenceb__> 60% through it looks like fail 2015-04-29T19:41:08 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-29T19:42:21 < Laurenceb__> wtf 2015-04-29T19:42:38 < Laurenceb__> the "balls" will all be different sizes 2015-04-29T19:42:49 < jpa-> close enough 2015-04-29T19:45:08 < PeterM> as jpa- says they will be close enough 2015-04-29T19:47:24 < jpa-> hopefully not too close 2015-04-29T19:47:43 < jpa-> PeterM: also no matter how you keep agreeing, i'm not picking up on your offer 2015-04-29T19:48:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T19:50:05 < PeterM> what offer? 2015-04-29T19:50:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-29T19:50:19 < dongs> that one 2015-04-29T19:50:34 < dongs> bubblebaths and blowjobs 2015-04-29T19:51:52 < PeterM> oh, was not my offer, i was suggesting daniele12457 give you the bubblebath and or blowjob, or, you pass them on to me 2015-04-29T19:52:55 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad729.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T19:53:00 < jpa-> yeah yeah, i know you aren't going to admit it now that Tectus here 2015-04-29T19:53:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-29T19:55:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.155] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T20:17:47 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T20:19:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:f414:676f:48d9:b1c5] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T20:22:50 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T20:29:53 < Thorn> hello 2015-04-29T20:30:02 < Thorn> what's going on with diptrace, no updates for a long time 2015-04-29T20:30:52 < GargantuaSauce> wtf those solder icicles 2015-04-29T20:40:24 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T20:52:20 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T21:19:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.155] has quit [] 2015-04-29T21:20:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.155] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T21:33:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T21:41:44 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.8.8.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-29T21:59:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:f414:676f:48d9:b1c5] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-29T22:06:40 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:09:18 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:12:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:b03c:8e67:4e22:8b1d] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:13:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-29T22:15:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:15:31 < ambro718> I want to use the ADC such that I work with a predefined set of pins and my software may at any time ask for the last value of any pin. What is the best way to do that? 2015-04-29T22:15:56 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-29T22:16:07 < ambro718> Maybe, set it up to read the channels in order into a DMA memory, and I just take the values from there? 2015-04-29T22:17:02 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:19:39 < ambro718> can I do it interrupt-less (have the ADC restart conversion after all channels are converted)? 2015-04-29T22:21:59 < ambro718> ah yes I see CONT, this is wonderful 2015-04-29T22:26:36 < BrainDamage> with the risk of getting an "old", checkmate dongs: https://code.visualstudio.com//Download 2015-04-29T22:32:14 < ambro718> doesn't say which Linux distros are supported 2015-04-29T22:33:12 < englishman> probably not ubuntu, since ubuntu isnt lunix 2015-04-29T22:46:17 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T22:54:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:59:46 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T22:59:50 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 2015-04-29T23:00:08 -!- yots [~yz@dooki.es] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T23:03:14 < zyp> ambro718, yes, that's exactly what you do 2015-04-29T23:03:38 < zyp> ADC in continous mode, circular DMA to where you want the data 2015-04-29T23:03:57 < ambro718> I'll have to read about that DMA but sounds right 2015-04-29T23:10:30 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad729.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-29T23:14:45 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-04-29T23:22:22 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-211.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T23:22:40 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-29T23:23:13 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0af87f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T23:33:25 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-29T23:45:11 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-29T23:47:47 < ambro718> so my C++ template metaprogram will need to arrange user-supplied pins accross the three available ADCs, taking into account restrictions regarding which pins can be connected to which ADCs and the maximum of 16 pins per ADC. FUN! 2015-04-29T23:49:34 < specing> why does it need to be a template metaprogram? 2015-04-29T23:50:06 < ambro718> because that's what I do! see https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter 2015-04-29T23:51:26 < ambro718> most fun was the stuff around runtime configuration options management, like https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/meta/Expr.h --- Day changed Thu Apr 30 2015 2015-04-30T00:04:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.63.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-30T00:06:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-30T00:08:47 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-211.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-30T00:13:38 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T00:13:58 < ambro718> wait this is actually harder than it looks like, if one just assigns pins to ADCs in a greedy manner, this may fail to find a solution that exists 2015-04-30T00:15:17 < zyp> sounds like a waste of time, if I'm allowed to be honest :) 2015-04-30T00:16:36 < ambro718> possibly. I'll just require them to specify which ADC to map a pin to, but still do everything else and check it automatically. 2015-04-30T00:19:42 < ambro718> I find that software the chip vendors call HAL is far from being a HAL, more like C wrappers around registers 2015-04-30T00:24:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:b03c:8e67:4e22:8b1d] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-30T00:28:16 < kakimir> I need inexpensive mcu with gigabit interface or fast ethernet with full throughput. any ideas? 2015-04-30T00:28:50 < zyp> your question doesn't make sense 2015-04-30T00:28:51 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T00:29:12 < zyp> stm32f4 does have fast ethernet, not much stuff has gigabit 2015-04-30T00:29:41 < kakimir> it has fast ethernet but what is actual throughput? 2015-04-30T00:29:55 < kakimir> dma speed 2015-04-30T00:30:00 < kakimir> to emac 2015-04-30T00:30:05 < kakimir> and from 2015-04-30T00:30:25 < zyp> dunno, I'd expect it to be capable of actually running at 100 Mb/s 2015-04-30T00:30:46 < zyp> provided that your software is capable of keeping up with it 2015-04-30T00:31:16 < kakimir> I would use it for media conversion X 2015-04-30T00:31:31 < zyp> uh, between what? 2015-04-30T00:32:08 < kakimir> X 2015-04-30T00:32:27 < zyp> you're not making sense 2015-04-30T00:32:33 < kakimir> from fast/gigabit ethernet to media X 2015-04-30T00:32:43 < zyp> what is media X? 2015-04-30T00:32:49 < kakimir> secret 2015-04-30T00:33:02 < zyp> ok 2015-04-30T00:33:37 < kakimir> expermental stuff 2015-04-30T00:35:56 < GargantuaSauce> finally branching out into teledildonics? 2015-04-30T00:36:32 < englishman> with gigE??????? 2015-04-30T00:36:47 < englishman> plz insert rj45 into crevice 2015-04-30T00:36:51 < GargantuaSauce> high resolution stimulus 2015-04-30T00:38:08 < kakimir> I don't need gigabit for speed but to keep latencies down when nodes are multiplied 2015-04-30T00:38:32 < kakimir> actual media doesn't have that throughput 2015-04-30T00:49:04 < Laurenceb> this sounds hard 2015-04-30T00:49:10 < qyx_> kakimir: stm32f107 can do around 60mbit/s using UDP 2015-04-30T00:49:16 < Laurenceb> even with FPGA you would struggle 2015-04-30T00:49:30 < qyx_> kakimir: grep logs, i did some benchmarking and mentioned it here in the past 2015-04-30T00:49:41 < Laurenceb> sounds like high end FPGA grade stuff 2015-04-30T00:50:03 < qyx_> with chibios/lwip 2015-04-30T00:50:07 < ambro718> where do the chip developers get the ideas for the particular interesting ways that the peripherals are wired together? 2015-04-30T00:50:30 < ambro718> and the various "advanced" features that are in virtually every peripheral 2015-04-30T00:52:16 < kakimir> from practice 2015-04-30T00:56:10 < kakimir> texas has some gigabit mcus 2015-04-30T00:59:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2015-04-30T01:00:23 < kakimir> no those are actually arm processors or socs 2015-04-30T01:03:57 < ambro718> do I need to set ADC_CR2_DDS if I want to achieve continuous conversion with DMA? 2015-04-30T01:04:34 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0af87f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-30T01:06:47 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-30T01:08:04 < ambro718> the docs say that if the ADC overruns I need to handle it by restarting the DMA. Why would the overrun happen in the first place? 2015-04-30T01:16:51 < kakimir> figure it out 2015-04-30T01:20:34 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-30T01:23:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-30T01:36:06 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twwoykcqprineeht] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-30T01:47:39 < qyx_> you are not being helpful 2015-04-30T01:53:43 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2015-04-30T02:03:37 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-30T02:08:29 < kakimir> it's the ultimate way qyx_ 2015-04-30T02:09:10 < kakimir> get on it 2015-04-30T02:09:43 < kakimir> http://www.digikey.fi/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=AM3357 gigabit pieces 2015-04-30T02:11:46 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-30T02:11:55 < kakimir> affordable 2015-04-30T02:12:27 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T02:12:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvptpkrgmqrjzksq] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T02:14:05 < Bright> the answer to every question is 'figure it out' 2015-04-30T02:14:49 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-04-30T02:19:32 -!- ambro718 [~ambro@gentoo/contributor/ambro718] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-30T02:21:16 < Laurenceb> lol 2015-04-30T02:21:20 < Laurenceb> the meaning of life 2015-04-30T02:37:16 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [] 2015-04-30T02:46:36 -!- rkreis_ [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T02:49:38 -!- esmIII [~stan@d149-67-8-103.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-30T02:49:52 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-30T02:49:57 -!- rkreis [~rkreis@unaffiliated/rkreis] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-30T03:03:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T03:07:19 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.72.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-04-30T03:12:20 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.73.96] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T03:13:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2015-04-30T03:27:04 < karlp> damn, ambro left, I wanted to see an example of where he _used_ that mosnter c++ soup 2015-04-30T03:27:37 < GargantuaSauce> it is a little bit grating 2015-04-30T03:27:49 < karlp> I was hoping it at least allowed something else to beautiful, because that meta stuff he shared is just gnarly 2015-04-30T03:29:01 < karlp> hm, cool features: Non-drifting heartbeat LED. Its period is exactly 1 second, subject to the precision of your oscillator. 2015-04-30T03:29:12 < karlp> what is taht used for in a 3d printer firmware? 2015-04-30T03:31:35 < karlp> this visual studio "code" thing only allows debugging in node.js... 2015-04-30T03:31:42 < karlp> this is just somethign else rebranded.... 2015-04-30T03:34:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251206201.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T03:48:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@KD182251206201.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-30T03:56:16 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-196-30.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T03:59:46 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-30T04:13:41 < kakimir> how many spaces you use for tabulator? 2015-04-30T04:15:00 < kakimir> ok kate rulez 2015-04-30T04:17:41 < ColdKeyboard> I can't force two nRF24L01+ to communicate... One is RX and other TX ofcourse, I've set the same address, channel, speed, payload size but they don't seem to communicate :\ Any suggestions what to check? :\ 2015-04-30T04:19:31 < GargantuaSauce> don't leave the tx one in tx mode, the vco can drift out of spec if it's left in tx mode for more than 2ms or something like that 2015-04-30T04:20:28 < GargantuaSauce> verify all the IOs are operating with a scope or la 2015-04-30T04:24:13 < ColdKeyboard> Comm worked just fine between two other mcus. Now I have just replaced RX with STM32F103C8 and it's not working :\ 2015-04-30T04:25:26 < GargantuaSauce> remind me what lib you're using 2015-04-30T04:28:29 < ColdKeyboard> I forked this one https://github.com/coldkeyboard/stm32/tree/master/Nrf24l01 2015-04-30T04:28:55 < ColdKeyboard> I changed some vars to match the TX side like channel, payload size 2015-04-30T04:29:54 < ColdKeyboard> I guess I messed a configuration somewhere because IRQ pin never goes low on RX side 2015-04-30T04:31:21 < dongs> We are writing to you because we need to speak with you regarding a security concern on your American Express. Our records indicate that you recently used your American Express card on April 29, 2015. 2015-04-30T04:31:25 < dongs> For your security, new charges on the accounts listed above may be declined. If applicable, you should advise any Additional Card Member(s) on your account that their new charges may also be declined. 2015-04-30T04:31:29 < dongs> To secure your account , please click log on to : American Express 2015-04-30T04:31:32 < dongs> must protect my card 2015-04-30T04:31:34 < dongs> furiously clicking login 2015-04-30T04:33:30 < GargantuaSauce> what frequency is that spi running at ColdKeyboard? 72MHz /2 /2? 2015-04-30T04:34:32 < ColdKeyboard> GargantuaSauce: nRF24_SPI_Init(SPI_BaudRatePrescaler_2); 2015-04-30T04:34:44 < GargantuaSauce> yes i saw that but what is the core clock 2015-04-30T04:35:43 < ColdKeyboard> 72MHz for core 2015-04-30T04:36:01 < GargantuaSauce> so 18MHz after the apb divider and spi scaler right 2015-04-30T04:36:06 < GargantuaSauce> max for nrf24 is 10 2015-04-30T04:36:37 < GargantuaSauce> does your check function work 2015-04-30T04:37:00 < ColdKeyboard> Yes, it outputs 00=A9 01=01 02=01 03=03 04=03 05=02 06=26 07=0E 08=00 09=01 0A=E7 0B=C2 0C=C3 0D=C4 0E=C5 0F=C6 10=A9 11=10 12=00 13=00 14=00 15=00 16=00 17=11 18=00 19=00 1A=00 1B=00 1C=00 2015-04-30T04:38:26 < GargantuaSauce> i mean uint8_t nRF24_Check(void) 2015-04-30T04:42:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-122-131-189-81.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T04:42:30 < ColdKeyboard> Yes it works, it doesn't send UART_SendStr("Got wrong answer from SPI device.\n"); so I guess it passes that nRF24_Check() 2015-04-30T04:43:17 < ColdKeyboard> Also these values above appear to be the values of the registers of the nRF24 2015-04-30T04:44:28 < GargantuaSauce> verify the spi frequency. i wouldn't expect writes to the tx fifo above its rated rate to work even if config registers do 2015-04-30T04:45:53 < ColdKeyboard> I've set changed it to SPI_BaudRatePrescaler_16 so I guess it should be well in specs now 72/2/16 is under 10MHz rated 2015-04-30T04:46:18 < dongs> heh phones are all about chip coils. apparently 10uH/1A in 2520 size is pretty common 2015-04-30T04:47:33 < dongs> http://www.toko.co.jp/products/pdf/inductors/dfe252012c.pdf wut 2015-04-30T04:47:40 < dongs> 'flat wire' 2015-04-30T04:48:27 < englishman> maybe instead of single strands 2015-04-30T04:48:37 < englishman> they get rolled wire 2015-04-30T04:48:39 < englishman> or something 2015-04-30T04:49:33 < GargantuaSauce> still like half an ohm heh 2015-04-30T04:50:06 < englishman> dongs did you ever look at that thing the other day 2015-04-30T04:50:13 < dongs> englishman: no, still in unread mail folder 2015-04-30T04:50:15 < dongs> sorry, soon 2015-04-30T04:50:38 < englishman> no hurry, thx 2015-04-30T04:51:08 < kakimir> kate really is sweet editor 2015-04-30T04:51:27 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-196-30.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-30T04:51:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-04-30T04:52:03 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it's what i prefer kakimir 2015-04-30T04:52:41 < kakimir> thanks for a tip 2015-04-30T04:53:23 < GargantuaSauce> oh did i tell you to use it? or was that sarcasm. cant remember 2015-04-30T04:53:36 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp118-211-196-30.lns20.syd4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T04:53:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T04:53:54 < dongs> lol garbage 2015-04-30T04:54:19 < GargantuaSauce> yeah sorry we arent as pro as you 2015-04-30T04:54:57 < zyp> kate got vi input mode, should be usable :p 2015-04-30T04:55:42 < dongs> lunix text editor 2015-04-30T04:57:49 < GargantuaSauce> i tried using a different editor and then https://youtu.be/0Q14rHLvMco?t=22 2015-04-30T04:59:41 < GargantuaSauce> lost is too high cinema for you clearly 2015-04-30T04:59:47 < kakimir> notepad++ is only above notepad 2015-04-30T05:01:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcmF1UHVwUjdTNG8/view?usp=sharing it has clear looks and autocomplete 2015-04-30T05:01:56 < kakimir> tabs are shown and todos are marked with black orange 2015-04-30T05:03:30 < kakimir> lunix does multiple screens so well 2015-04-30T05:04:01 < kakimir> I need to figure how to change order of screens without changing primary screen 2015-04-30T05:05:04 < kakimir> need to move right to access left screen 2015-04-30T05:05:28 < kakimir> "only lunix things" 2015-04-30T05:05:46 < zyp> kate is pretty good actually, I used to use it way back 2015-04-30T05:05:56 < GargantuaSauce> i use the nvidia settings for that but xinerama can be configured directly i think 2015-04-30T05:07:22 < GargantuaSauce> you're wrong it's the year of the linux desktop 2015-04-30T05:07:35 < zyp> hmm 2015-04-30T05:07:45 < englishman> how many scripts do you have to edit by hand to support multiple monitors 2015-04-30T05:07:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.155] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-30T05:07:49 < zyp> I didn't have any problems having secondary display on left side 2015-04-30T05:08:18 < englishman> ah yes 2015-04-30T05:08:22 < englishman> same for supporting usb 2015-04-30T05:08:47 < zyp> I mean, I used two monitors with linux like ten years ago 2015-04-30T05:08:56 < zyp> and I've always had secondary monitor on left side 2015-04-30T05:10:29 < englishman> i use multiple ssh at the same time does that count 2015-04-30T05:11:06 < englishman> so i can learn things to make fun of later 2015-04-30T05:11:31 < zyp> englishman, I thought that's why we have R2COM 2015-04-30T05:11:45 < englishman> what colour track pants are you weraing R2COM 2015-04-30T05:12:46 < kakimir> it's xfce4 bug that primary monitor button doesn't work any way 2015-04-30T05:13:05 < zyp> so don't use xfce4 2015-04-30T05:13:11 < zyp> even gnome can get that shit right 2015-04-30T05:13:18 < zyp> and it's not much gnome can get right 2015-04-30T05:13:56 < kakimir> gnome is weird shit nowdays 2015-04-30T05:15:46 < kakimir> let fuk up my program space by installing kde 2015-04-30T05:18:10 < zyp> well, given that you have kate, you probably got at least half of kde already :p 2015-04-30T05:20:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on0jA9DU-Y8 not bad after kde4 2015-04-30T05:26:25 < GargantuaSauce> well it's still got its share of, uh, quirks 2015-04-30T05:27:19 < GargantuaSauce> like how my smb client stopped authenticating properly after i updated 2015-04-30T05:33:38 < kakimir> how many things when from good to totally shit when 3.5 - > 4 ? 2015-04-30T05:37:19 < dongs> lol, lunix dweebs trying ahrd to copy start menu 2015-04-30T05:37:22 < kakimir> 5.3 released a day ago 2015-04-30T06:25:21 < inca> I forgot how to printf to USART in stm32... heh 2015-04-30T06:26:12 < dongs> define a putc() or wahtever? 2015-04-30T06:28:29 < inca> google says I need over 80 lines of code to use a USART... that's kind of... special 2015-04-30T06:30:32 < dongs> to discourage pritf debugging 2015-04-30T06:31:52 < inca> does a shell count as printf debugging? =) 2015-04-30T06:35:11 < inca> ah, there we go. retarget example from GCC ARM Embedded 2015-04-30T06:35:14 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IaCcAJQwY russia as other neighbor and then there is this 2015-04-30T06:38:02 < inca> that's lame... they don't actually give an implementation 2015-04-30T06:41:26 < inca> or semihost... --specs=rdimon.specs -lc -lc -lrdimon 2015-04-30T06:47:45 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-04-30T06:48:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T07:01:30 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T07:01:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T07:01:42 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@142-165-132-47.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 2015-04-30T07:51:12 -!- [1]PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T07:51:49 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@27-33-130-166.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 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2015-04-30T08:40:54 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-body-dryer/ -> http://korean-products.com/2014/03/12/body-refresher-ozwind/ -> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/843763/files/20140908174021-image.jpg?1410223221 -> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/843679/files/20140908164127-image.jpg?1410219687 2015-04-30T08:42:12 < inca> put dollars in? 2015-04-30T08:44:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-30T08:45:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T08:54:35 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T09:01:35 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T09:12:23 < Simon--> dongs: N + 9276 Apr 29 18:30 American Express (0.6K) Irregular card activity 2015-04-30T09:12:32 < Simon--> I guess we have the same american express 2015-04-30T09:13:01 < dongs> rol 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machine shop 2015-04-30T10:03:45 < jadew> lol 2015-04-30T10:03:48 < jadew> that's crazy 2015-04-30T10:05:12 < jadew> I think crowdfunding will fade away soon 2015-04-30T10:05:44 < jadew> it will most likely become something that "was a thing in the 2010s" 2015-04-30T10:06:10 -!- superbia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 2015-04-30T10:06:30 < jadew> mainly because of these boguous campaigns 2015-04-30T10:14:20 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T10:17:38 < PeterM> i hope it stays aroun lng enough foir me to dickstart soemthing and cashout 2015-04-30T10:18:12 < ReadError> in 2016, getting screwed will be called "got zano'd" 2015-04-30T10:18:40 < PeterM> nah man, didn't you see the zango video, it was leggi 2015-04-30T10:18:43 < PeterM> legit 2015-04-30T10:19:37 < ReadError> no, I dont browse gay porn sites so I haven't seen the zano video 2015-04-30T10:24:47 -!- emeb_mac 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2015-04-30T17:25:55 < dongs> looks like there's an update on the cunt kayak http://www.konbini.com/us/entertainment/everyones-favourite-japanese-vagina-sculptor-currently-facing-two-years-prison/ 2015-04-30T17:26:04 < dongs> i like how this is under /entertainment/ 2015-04-30T17:27:22 -!- Roklobsta [~Roklobsta@ppp118-209-70-192.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-30T17:28:19 < _Sync_> $21,025 (2.5m Yen). 2015-04-30T17:28:20 < _Sync_> lel 2015-04-30T17:31:16 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2015-04-30T17:31:31 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T17:31:48 < Laurenceb__> http://chrishecker.com/Kurt_G%C3%B6del_is_Laughing_His_Ass_Off_Right_Now 2015-04-30T17:34:14 < Laurenceb__> http://chrishecker.com/images/5/53/Wolframalpha-crop.png 2015-04-30T17:34:18 < Laurenceb__> pmsl 2015-04-30T17:36:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 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desk 2015-04-30T18:40:39 < dongs> fale 2015-04-30T18:41:08 < superbia> it was a sign dongs 2015-04-30T18:41:21 < PeterM> dongs anywhere you can get locally? 2015-04-30T18:41:31 < dongs> nah im not in a rush, i didnt evne make a board for it yet 2015-04-30T18:43:42 < karlp> yiss, fixed my timing bug with ~1 hour left before a long weekend 2015-04-30T18:45:27 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2015-04-30T18:48:20 -!- aronymous [~aron@ip-95-222-211-249.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T18:48:21 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-40-230.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T18:48:30 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-04-30T18:48:57 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T18:51:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T18:51:28 < dongs> unrelated note, any clever way to do lipo cutoff without mcu? 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http://shaddack.twibright.com/projects/method_SimpleLiPolyOverdischargeCutoff/ 2015-04-30T18:56:50 < dongs> heh 2015-04-30T18:56:55 < dongs> the cons make it pretty much useless 2015-04-30T18:57:42 < PeterM> dw01a + 2 backc to back pfet 2015-04-30T18:58:08 < PeterM> that is standard chinatrash 2015-04-30T18:59:14 < dongs> hm thats just 1S tho 2015-04-30T18:59:33 < PeterM> you didnt say how many cell 2015-04-30T18:59:37 < dongs> but 2015-04-30T18:59:48 < dongs> i could stick that on a balnace plug? 2015-04-30T18:59:52 < dongs> for 1st cell 2015-04-30T19:00:06 < dongs> does that work lol 2015-04-30T19:00:24 < englishman> is this for 6S dildo 2015-04-30T19:00:46 < dongs> it disconnects lowside? 2015-04-30T19:02:26 < BrainDamage> http://www.twiddla.com/2111323 2015-04-30T19:02:51 < BrainDamage> you have to press switch to turn it on first 2015-04-30T19:03:05 < BrainDamage> can't get more chinatrash 2015-04-30T19:04:32 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined 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http://happyplace.someecards.com/graffiti/a-graffiti-artist-named-wanksy-found-a-cheeky-way-to-force-his-city-to-fix-potholes/ 2015-04-30T19:11:14 < dongs> holy shit so old'd 2015-04-30T19:11:33 < BrainDamage> did you see the vs link? 2015-04-30T19:11:34 < PeterM> damn dongs get your shit together 2015-04-30T19:11:36 < karlp> nice timecop badge in the twiddla 2015-04-30T19:18:38 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/7ybfPzj 2015-04-30T19:21:58 -!- aronymous [~aron@ip-95-222-211-249.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2015-04-30T19:22:24 < karlp> I wonder if that rideon has winter oil ;) 2015-04-30T19:34:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: attn, Microsoft partners with Arduino. Do you have a migration plan yet (either from MS windows because windows will become arduino or to arduino if it becomes as great as windows)? 2015-04-30T19:34:22 -!- jon1012 [~jon@81-64-218-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-04-30T19:36:59 < BrainDamage> visual studio is available for lunix now 2015-04-30T19:37:25 < BrainDamage> he'll switch to lunix while lunix will move to hurd 2015-04-30T19:38:10 < Laurenceb__> lul 2015-04-30T19:38:19 < Laurenceb__> linux == kernel 2015-04-30T19:39:16 < BrainDamage> https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6iv087Qqv1qbaj4uo1_500.png 2015-04-30T19:42:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T19:42:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.104] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T19:42:44 < karlp> BrainDamage: that visual studio thing was _not_ visual studio as you knowit, it was visualstudio code, for node.js 2015-04-30T19:42:45 -!- _massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-04-30T19:44:15 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2015-04-30T19:46:34 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-04-30T19:48:11 < specing> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1544/SS1833/LN1864/PF259791 2015-04-30T19:48:18 < specing> True RNG and firewall protection 2015-04-30T19:48:23 < specing> firewall? Wat 2015-04-30T19:48:48 < Laurenceb__> maybe physical firewall 2015-04-30T19:49:00 < Laurenceb__> top of ic is fire retardant 2015-04-30T19:50:23 < specing> yes but what does the RNG have to do with it? 2015-04-30T19:50:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T19:57:15 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@139.116.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T20:03:12 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T20:04:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvptpkrgmqrjzksq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2015-04-30T20:12:25 -!- Lerg_ [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T20:14:02 -!- Lerg [~Lerg@188.226.45.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-04-30T20:20:10 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2stchAmRo 2015-04-30T20:22:58 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2015-04-30T20:25:06 -!- Thorn 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2015-04-30T22:08:42 < Steffanx> hows life in romanialand superbia? 2015-04-30T22:09:15 < superbia> Steffanx: bloggin http://i.imgur.com/eUpbrH6.jpg 2015-04-30T22:09:43 < Steffanx> no numpad? 2015-04-30T22:11:39 < Getty> oh my god, thats so sweet, that those 2 found each other 2015-04-30T22:12:02 < superbia> it goes with dick size 2015-04-30T22:12:04 < superbia> http://i.imgur.com/3tUWOt7.jpg 2015-04-30T22:12:07 < superbia> usa largest 2015-04-30T22:12:09 < superbia> eu 2015-04-30T22:12:11 < superbia> then china 2015-04-30T22:12:16 < superbia> and the hapan in the end 2015-04-30T22:12:19 < Steffanx> all it needs is some sweet Getty on top to finish it? 2015-04-30T22:12:33 < Getty> Steffanx: i dont touch arduino 2015-04-30T22:12:39 < Getty> i am a racist 2015-04-30T22:12:41 < Getty> ;) 2015-04-30T22:18:40 < superbia> https://code.visualstudio.com/Download 2015-04-30T22:19:03 < superbia> By downloading and using Visual Studio Code, you agree to the license terms and privacy statement for Visual Studio Code. When this tool crashes, we automatically collect crash dumps so we can figure out what went wrong. If you don't want to send your crash dumps to Microsoft, don't install this tool. 2015-04-30T22:23:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR2 [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T22:30:56 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T22:31:45 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@cable-188-2-2-174.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-04-30T22:33:26 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T22:33:26 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T22:33:28 -!- Luggi09 [~Luggi09@snowden.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T22:34:35 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@cable-188-2-24-240.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T22:45:37 < qyx_> hah, they are stealing your codez 2015-04-30T22:46:14 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T22:46:23 < superbia> and anal virginity 2015-04-30T22:52:37 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T23:27:29 -!- specing_ [~specing@93-103-134-9.dynamic.t-2.net] has quit [Quit: Oops, wrong button] 2015-04-30T23:28:00 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T23:31:31 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T23:34:08 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurence@host81-151-161-244.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T23:36:36 < ds2> OT: is there a easy way of doing cos(arcsin(X/Z)) w/o having to implement arcsin and cos? 2015-04-30T23:37:44 < ds2> closest I have so far is sqrt(Z^2-X^2)/Z but that moves the problem to having a decent sqrt 2015-04-30T23:37:49 < superbia> http://www.gradualreport.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-4-e1352491396843.jpg 2015-04-30T23:38:26 < karlp> ds2: http://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/DSP/html/group___s_q_r_t.html is good enough right? 2015-04-30T23:38:45 < karlp> sin and cos there too, 2015-04-30T23:39:36 < BrainDamage> ds2: do you have to do it fast or what? you can do a polynomial interpolation or do cordic ( cordic altough is mostly good if your math is int-based ), or if you have plenty of memory, a simple look-up table 2015-04-30T23:39:45 < ds2> know how is it implemented? 2015-04-30T23:40:15 < ds2> BrainDamage: reasonably fast on a M3 or M4 (trying to compute a compass heading from mag/accel sensors) 2015-04-30T23:40:17 < karlp> ds2 it's all opensource... 2015-04-30T23:40:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.141.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-04-30T23:40:28 < ds2> keil is open source?! 2015-04-30T23:40:29 < karlp> I'm just looking at the changelog, I should probably update my packaging of it 2015-04-30T23:40:34 < karlp> no, cmsis-dsp is 2015-04-30T23:40:38 < karlp> that's just a web browser for the api 2015-04-30T23:40:57 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/kcmsis-dsp is my bundling of an earlier version 2015-04-30T23:41:11 < karlp> I like this change log item: "Version 1.4.3 2014/03/12 2015-04-30T23:41:11 < karlp> Undid changes to arm_biquad_cascade_df1_q31.c 2015-04-30T23:41:12 < karlp> " 2015-04-30T23:41:16 < karlp> I wonder what the chagne was 2015-04-30T23:41:21 < ds2> Ohhh so that is not really keil but the free stuff from ARM? 2015-04-30T23:42:39 < ds2> ideally it should work well on a M0 but my luck is running dry as it is 2015-04-30T23:43:05 < BrainDamage> lol @ karlnet 2015-04-30T23:44:23 < GargantuaSauce> i like how it returns argument error for arm_sqrt_f32(0) 2015-04-30T23:45:23 < GargantuaSauce> and then just defers to the stdlib implementation 2015-04-30T23:45:46 < BrainDamage> karlp: i just saw your rant about selinux, have you tried grsec? 2015-04-30T23:46:21 < karlp> ds2: that cmsis-dsp is meant to be "optimized for m0, m0+, m3, m4, m7" 2015-04-30T23:46:39 < karlp> BrainDamage: no motivation of any sort to even _try_ grsec. 2015-04-30T23:46:56 < karlp> I didn't _want_ selinux, I just tried to roll with it as "modern" and try and let it do it's thing 2015-04-30T23:46:59 < karlp> gave up 2015-04-30T23:47:28 < karlp> karlnet was not knowing the right keywords, and it was kinda long ago, when doing it hobby stuff was very uncommon. 2015-04-30T23:47:43 < karlp> before any of those now ubercommon/ubercheap rf modules started flooding around 2015-04-30T23:48:08 < BrainDamage> i didn't mean to criticize the code, i mostly found the name amusing 2015-04-30T23:48:18 < karlp> also, that was before I got to scratch a lot of technical itches by my dayjob, 2015-04-30T23:48:31 < karlp> so I don't spend nearly as much on large long term projects like that anymore 2015-04-30T23:48:44 < BrainDamage> it's still kinda nice scope 2015-04-30T23:49:36 < karlp> some nice ideas there that I use in the day job, but a lot of cruft, aborted experiments, and outdated tech 2015-04-30T23:49:52 < karlp> replaced stomp with mqtt, never ever finished any of the web vis stuff, 2015-04-30T23:50:12 < karlp> this is coming from a "karlnet" node http://imp.guru/f7h 2015-04-30T23:51:39 < BrainDamage> temp 125? is that the adc's relative scale? 2015-04-30T23:52:10 < karlp> nah, that's actually what I suspect is a busted/overlycheap minijack on the pcb, 2015-04-30T23:52:28 < karlp> if I wiggle it the wrong way, it hits the end of the adc 2015-04-30T23:52:44 < karlp> 125 is the celsius reading that it woudl be if it was real 2015-04-30T23:53:04 < karlp> the 125C channel is on a waterproof probe that was used for measuring brewing temps 2015-04-30T23:53:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-04-30T23:55:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2015-04-30T23:55:47 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 --- Log closed Fri May 01 00:00:17 2015