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2015-05-01T00:07:14 < ambro718> Is there a download link for a particular release of STM32CubeF4?
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2015-05-01T00:18:51 < karlp> ds2: so, that cmsis-dsp is rolled into standard cmsis these days apparently...
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2015-05-01T00:19:38 < karlp> hooray, they include gcc ld files without licence problems now too
2015-05-01T00:28:59 < ambro718> ARM has linker scripts for stm32?
2015-05-01T00:28:59 < specing> Does anyone know of any stm32 that has a timer(or more timers) with a high amount of output compares tied to pins?
2015-05-01T00:31:11 < ambro718> like, more than 4?
2015-05-01T00:31:51 < specing> I want like 30 such pins
2015-05-01T00:31:54 < ambro718> I just use multiple timers.
2015-05-01T00:32:52 < ambro718> you can get them synchronized "closely" (disable interrupts and start them in succession)
2015-05-01T00:39:24 < ambro718> the F4 chips seem to have: TIM1,TIM8 (4 channels each); TIM2-TIM5 (4 channels each); TIM9-TIM14 (two channels each) = 36
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2015-05-01T00:44:57 < GargantuaSauce> i would use gpios and dma driven by one timer
2015-05-01T00:46:22 < GargantuaSauce> whats the application specing? sounds like you may actually want one of those multichannel led drivers or something
2015-05-01T00:46:43 < specing> driving a lot of rgb leds ;p
2015-05-01T00:47:01 < specing> (obviously)
2015-05-01T00:48:12 < GargantuaSauce> could also use one of those fully integrated ones
2015-05-01T00:49:43 < ambro718> at what frequency/precision do you need to control the LEDs?
2015-05-01T00:50:11 < specing> at human perception
2015-05-01T00:50:28 < ambro718> surely there's no need for even one compare unit then
2015-05-01T00:50:47 < ambro718> drive them in a busy loop
2015-05-01T00:51:03 < ambro718> or a single periodic interrupt where you adjust all of them
2015-05-01T00:52:30 < qyx_> specing: as GargantuaSauce says
2015-05-01T00:52:37 < qyx_> dma to gpio
2015-05-01T00:53:10 < ambro718> you people are crazy using dma to drive LEDs..
2015-05-01T00:53:18 < qyx_> why?
2015-05-01T00:53:20 < qyx_> 0% cpu
2015-05-01T00:53:47 < specing> ;p
2015-05-01T00:53:51 < ambro718> you have fucking 168MHz or something available, that's 1000x more than you need to drive  them in pure software
2015-05-01T00:53:55 < qyx_> you just make a 256-word buffer and initialize dma in circular mode
2015-05-01T00:54:14 < GargantuaSauce> yeah assuming driving leds is ALL you want the mcu to do ambro718
2015-05-01T00:54:16 < qyx_> and adjust the buffer to generate nice pwm waveform
2015-05-01T00:54:21 < qyx_> vawe
2015-05-01T00:54:23 < qyx_> meh
2015-05-01T00:54:27 < qyx_> wave is correct
2015-05-01T00:54:33 < specing> I also want the mcu to dance
2015-05-01T00:54:46 < specing> shake all its robot parts
2015-05-01T00:54:59 < GargantuaSauce> if you're using the f4 to drive leds you'd better be doing some fancy floaty math to make pretty colours
2015-05-01T00:55:08 < ambro718> indeed
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2015-05-01T00:56:36 < specing> nah, it'll be a flimsy f072
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2015-05-01T00:57:53 < ambro718> one timer interrupt with high priority that sets all the leds to desired values will take like 0% of the CPU and with precise timing
2015-05-01T00:59:50 < ambro718> I even generally do PWM in software with output compares because of the portability
2015-05-01T01:03:50 < qyx_> you would need at least 8bit pwm at 200Hz for LEDs without flickering
2015-05-01T01:04:11 < qyx_> that means interrupt at ~50kHz
2015-05-01T01:04:50 < ambro718> which is ok unless your ISR is particularly inefficient
2015-05-01T01:05:05 < qyx_> wat
2015-05-01T01:05:09 < ambro718> wait, 50kHz?
2015-05-01T01:05:17 < ambro718> how did you get from 200Hz to 500kHz?
2015-05-01T01:05:39 < qyx_> 200Hz at 8bit pwm -> 256 possible values
2015-05-01T01:05:50 < qyx_> ie. turning on/off at 256 possible times
2015-05-01T01:06:06 < qyx_> i am talking about doing software only pwm
2015-05-01T01:06:40 < ambro718> well, no one is forcing you to do 254 useless interrupts when only 2 are needed per cycle (turn on, turn off)
2015-05-01T01:07:04 < ambro718> here's the meat of my soft-pwm implementation: https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/printer/pwm/SoftPwm.h#L122
2015-05-01T01:07:05 < qyx_> and how would you schedule such interrupts for eg. 50 leds?
2015-05-01T01:07:44 < ambro718> qyx_: with output compares. Keep a running time and increment it every time you get the interrupt, write it to the channel to set up the interrupt at that time.
2015-05-01T01:08:16 < qyx_> ok, so now you have like 5x more lines of code
2015-05-01T01:09:04 < qyx_> and i still don't get your approach
2015-05-01T01:09:27 < ambro718> interrupt in state LED-Off-> turn led ON, set state to LED-On, time:=time+on_time; schedule interrupt at time;   interrupt in state LED-On -> turn LED off, set state to LED-Off, time:=time+off_time; schedule interrupt at time;
2015-05-01T01:09:31 < qyx_> which may possibly indicate that i am dumb
2015-05-01T01:09:53 < ambro718> "schedule interrupt" just means set the compare register to that time
2015-05-01T01:09:53 < qyx_> ok, thats for one led
2015-05-01T01:10:17 < ambro718> true, it doesn't scale well to many leds
2015-05-01T01:10:28 < qyx_> so back to 30+ leds
2015-05-01T01:11:12 < ambro718> well yes, then the "inefficient" way may actually be more efficient
2015-05-01T01:12:21 < qyx_> whatever
2015-05-01T01:12:26 < qyx_> but abusing dma+gpio is fun
2015-05-01T01:15:22 < ambro718> value=0; if (cycle<led1_level) { value |= mask_for_led1; } ... do it for all the leds ...  some_gpio_register = value;
2015-05-01T01:19:13 < ambro718> 48MHz/50kHz ~= 1000 cycles per interrupt when interrupts take all CPU. I think for 30 LEDs it shouldn't take more than 100 cycles
2015-05-01T01:20:41 < ambro718> or maybe 200, don't know how fast the ARM stuff is
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2015-05-01T02:16:10 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-05-01T02:16:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: but which arduino is it, the real or the fake one
2015-05-01T02:16:26 < dongs> now you have eto make sure!!!
2015-05-01T02:18:11 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/518000367/lunowear-nature-inspired-nature-made/ lol alibaba watch
2015-05-01T02:18:17 < dongs> they made some nice cash tho
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2015-05-01T02:41:40 < englishman> i dont get it
2015-05-01T02:41:46 < englishman>  this is a $5 mall stand watch
2015-05-01T02:42:18 < englishman> Funding for this project was suspended by Kickstarter about 3 hours ago.
2015-05-01T02:42:54 < englishman> dongs did you see latest 2015 fashion
2015-05-01T02:43:09 < englishman> http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/2015-New-Arrival-mens-women-spring-autumn-swearter-emoji-doge-sweatshirt-lobo-funny-cute-dog-sweatershirt/32259214256.html
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2015-05-01T02:46:17 < specing> ...
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2015-05-01T03:13:48 < dongs> heh
2015-05-01T03:17:51 < kakimir> doongs
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2015-05-01T03:22:37 < ambro718> I'm having problems getting ADC to work (DMA circular mode). Can someone see a problem with my code? https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4Adc.h
2015-05-01T03:24:31 < ambro718> it's a little abstract, but the most important parts are lines 288-298, 174-199, 253-258, 261-272
2015-05-01T03:27:17 < dongs> dat c++
2015-05-01T03:27:22 < dongs> holy fuck
2015-05-01T03:27:24 < dongs> nice macros bro
2015-05-01T03:27:44 < zyp> it's weird as fuck
2015-05-01T03:27:52 < dongs> whoever allowed multiline macros should burn in fucking hell
2015-05-01T03:28:18 < dongs> foreach helper
2015-05-01T03:28:19 < dongs> wut
2015-05-01T03:28:21 < ambro718> to save you time   ListForEachForward<AdcList>(LForeach_init(), c); meand to call start() on each Adc<>
2015-05-01T03:28:22 < dongs> do you even step, bro
2015-05-01T03:28:40 < dongs> ambro718: have you ever looked through your c ode in a debugger
2015-05-01T03:28:42 < ambro718> same for ListForEachForward<AdcPinList>(LForeach_init(), c);  calls init() on each AdcPin<>   ...
2015-05-01T03:28:42 < dongs> or do you just printf
2015-05-01T03:29:15 < ambro718> I just do assertions, if it stops I usually find the bug by code review ;)
2015-05-01T03:30:17 < ambro718> my code is actually supposed to be a HAL contrary to the ST code :D
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2015-05-01T03:36:29 < ambro718> seriously, please help with the ADC :)  I'm not sure what's happening all I know now is that the adc_values[] just has zeros
2015-05-01T03:38:42 < englishman> do you have to start gpio clock as well
2015-05-01T03:40:28 < ambro718> I start all of the gpio clocks somewhere else. I also set the gpio to analog on line 255 (this translates to setting the appropriate MODER bits to 3)
2015-05-01T03:40:50 < ambro718> and PUPDR pins to 0
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2015-05-01T04:10:22 < dongs> i think the problem is you covered your code with so much syntaxic sugar nobody actually wants to wade through it to figure out what is wrong
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2015-05-01T04:11:19 < ambro718> it's easy to see how the hardware is interfaced
2015-05-01T04:12:02 < dongs> i couldnt get past the insane multiline define
2015-05-01T04:12:37 < ambro718> I'm guessing, you wouldn't, rather than couldn't ;)
2015-05-01T04:12:55 < kakimir> sup ladies
2015-05-01T04:13:56 < kakimir> R2COM: to last conversation just to point out 2 extremes
2015-05-01T04:15:15 < englishman> what do adc and gpio registers look like in your debugger
2015-05-01T04:15:49 < dongs> which part of your code actually adds the channels by rank etc
2015-05-01T04:16:12 < ambro718> dongs: what do you mean by rank? what is rank?
2015-05-01T04:16:22 < dongs> ambro718: adc channel rank. when you add it into the scan group
2015-05-01T04:17:03 < ambro718> dongs: here the bits for each channel are added to SQRx and SMPRx, https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4Adc.h#L257
2015-05-01T04:17:10 < dongs> i.e. stdperiph version of ADC_RegularChannelConfig
2015-05-01T04:19:26 < ambro718> which is done in a loop for each channel at line 182
2015-05-01T04:21:54 < dongs> R2COM: what do you think of this code https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4Adc.h
2015-05-01T04:22:40 < dongs> give me your pro opinion
2015-05-01T04:27:44 < ambro718> R2COM: you could be helpful and tell me why it doesn't work :)
2015-05-01T04:28:49 < ambro718> ah then, I'll finish tomorrow, good night
2015-05-01T04:29:18 < dongs> R2COM: i got a duder to write me that hdmi splitting stuff hdl
2015-05-01T04:29:27 < dongs> ended up being like ~50 lines of actual code
2015-05-01T04:29:35 < dongs> 1k paypalz well spent
2015-05-01T04:30:46 < dongs> comes with a signal generator too
2015-05-01T04:30:57 < dongs> that just displays a shimmering xor pattern
2015-05-01T04:31:10 < dongs> R2COM: makes the original 2800xwhatever 'signal'
2015-05-01T04:31:16 < dongs> instead of live feeding from hdmi
2015-05-01T04:31:27 < dongs> since the guy didnt't have a hdmi receiver ;d
2015-05-01T04:32:53 < dongs> nah, its an actual module i can plugin in front of hte splitter code
2015-05-01T04:32:58 < dongs> instead of connecting to hdmi receiver
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2015-05-01T04:33:28 < dongs> it is a testbench of sorts in the sense that it makes some known timing/etc
2015-05-01T04:33:47 < dongs> but he just did it cuz he had no way to get hdmi input into the board.
2015-05-01T04:34:43 < dongs> nope
2015-05-01T04:34:46 < PeterM> how can you have no way of getting hdmi into a board?
2015-05-01T04:34:48 < dongs> i dont evne have a board still
2015-05-01T04:35:15 < dongs> PeterM: like, not having hardware with hdmi rx IC on it and shit.
2015-05-01T04:35:51 < PeterM> ahh
2015-05-01T04:38:23 < dongs> R2COM: i can read the hdl and it makes sense. ill test probably within a month or so
2015-05-01T04:50:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ZIQ76MC.jpg
2015-05-01T05:04:25 < dongs> http://pastebin.ca/2986247 awesome
2015-05-01T05:07:11 < ReadError> This is not C.
2015-05-01T05:07:14 < ReadError> -- dongs
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2015-05-01T07:24:43 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-Silicone-High-Voltage-Banana-to-Banana-Plugs-Test-Leads-Cable-5-Color-1500V-/151363992160 are these actually this expensive?
2015-05-01T07:25:40 < kakimir> yes if I go to local electronics store I pay that for one
2015-05-01T07:35:07 < GargantuaSauce> if they're actually rated for 1500V then yeah that's a pretty damn good price
2015-05-01T07:35:25 < GargantuaSauce> i wouldn't be uh, touching them though
2015-05-01T07:35:41 < jadew> I have to buy something that's $80 - suggestions?
2015-05-01T07:37:02 < jadew> let's make $80-100 and has to be lab equipment
2015-05-01T07:37:06 < jadew> doesn't have to be nice
2015-05-01T07:37:12 < jadew> but useful
2015-05-01T07:38:01 < ReadError> wait what
2015-05-01T07:38:10 < ReadError> you just want to spend 80-100$ on anything?
2015-05-01T07:38:16 < jadew> yeah
2015-05-01T07:38:29 < englishman> good liquor
2015-05-01T07:38:38 < englishman> gram of blow
2015-05-01T07:38:44 < jadew> something I can enjoy
2015-05-01T07:38:48 < englishman> blowjob, two
2015-05-01T07:38:59 < jadew> hehe
2015-05-01T07:39:04 < jadew> I'm good on bj for now
2015-05-01T07:39:06 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB9FIEY/
2015-05-01T07:39:09 < englishman> rj
2015-05-01T07:39:18 < jadew> haha
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2015-05-01T07:39:32 < englishman> one tag-connect including shipping
2015-05-01T07:39:40 < upgrdman> ?
2015-05-01T07:40:02 < englishman> upgrdman you have $80 you must spend or i shoot you in the face. wat buy
2015-05-01T07:40:31 < jadew> I could get a cheap PSU
2015-05-01T07:40:39 < jadew> but I already have 4
2015-05-01T07:41:01 < upgrdman> hmmm. 80-100$. i might buy another pair of very nice earbuds
2015-05-01T07:41:12 < jadew> R2COM, I'm looking to buy a nice one too
2015-05-01T07:41:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol. i actually JUST did that.
2015-05-01T07:41:21 < englishman> buy some sulfuric acid and a hotplate to decap some shit
2015-05-01T07:41:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, a month ago i tried HCl + H2O2 as an etchant
2015-05-01T07:41:38 < jadew> was looking at hotplates really
2015-05-01T07:41:43 < upgrdman> today my delivery of 35% H2O2 arrive.
2015-05-01T07:41:45 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KWHRRNY better
2015-05-01T07:42:03 < englishman> DER EE lcr meter is in your price range
2015-05-01T07:42:07 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, that looks hilareous
2015-05-01T07:42:21 < jadew> englishman, already have it
2015-05-01T07:42:27 < upgrdman> holy shit. never been so scared before. mixed up half/half... etched some 1oz copper clad... in under two seconds. violently.
2015-05-01T07:42:28 < englishman> another one then
2015-05-01T07:42:36 < jadew> I barely use this one lol
2015-05-01T07:42:38 < englishman> for measuring 3 phase at the same time
2015-05-01T07:42:40 < GargantuaSauce> now drop some tinfoil in there upgrdman
2015-05-01T07:42:46 < ReadError> upgrdman i was going to try that on aluminum
2015-05-01T07:42:51 < ReadError> for ghettofab stencils
2015-05-01T07:43:00 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, what happens? :) violently dissolves?
2015-05-01T07:43:16 < GargantuaSauce> oh i am thinking of FeCl3 actually
2015-05-01T07:43:18 < englishman> you could go back in time and buy $80 of AAPL in 1995
2015-05-01T07:43:46 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, i have some FCl. does it hate aluminum foil?
2015-05-01T07:43:49 < englishman> then get a letter from steve jobs apologizing for losing so much money
2015-05-01T07:43:53 < jadew> if I could go back in time, I'd probably do something else
2015-05-01T07:44:35 < jadew> you have to be careful with time travel tho, wrong period and you could get hanged for knowing so much stuff
2015-05-01T07:44:39 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it's more exothermic than the reaction with copper
2015-05-01T07:44:49 < upgrdman> oh nice
2015-05-01T07:45:05 < englishman> if i have access to time travel, being careful will become my middle name
2015-05-01T07:45:17 < englishman> i aint going nowhere without some serious disinfectant and large guns
2015-05-01T07:45:34 < upgrdman> im saving up to buy a house. can't wait until i can do dangerous shit in my backyard instead of risked my kitchen/bedroom like i have to now
2015-05-01T07:45:50 < jadew> englishman, I was thinking more like small guns, so they think you're magic, rather than the long stick
2015-05-01T07:46:09 < englishman> i think if guns are unrecognizable it will be unimportant their size
2015-05-01T07:46:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, not at that level
2015-05-01T07:46:29 < upgrdman> but
2015-05-01T07:46:45 < upgrdman> like, if i want to do anything high power, its a big risk indoors
2015-05-01T07:46:53 < upgrdman> like that induction heater i made...
2015-05-01T07:47:26 < upgrdman> carpet, drywall, etc are flammable.
2015-05-01T07:47:29 < upgrdman> dirt isn't
2015-05-01T07:47:35 < upgrdman> concrete slab isnt
2015-05-01T07:48:05 < upgrdman> i worn on a 12"/300mm ceramic tile, but that doesn't protect anything but my desk
2015-05-01T07:48:11 < jadew> I want a house so I can have a place dedicated to metal working
2015-05-01T07:48:14 < upgrdman> s/worn/work
2015-05-01T07:48:20 < jadew> where I don't have to worry about loose shrapnel
2015-05-01T07:48:33 < upgrdman> that too. i want a damn mill
2015-05-01T07:48:39 < jadew> same here
2015-05-01T07:48:50 < jadew> R2COM, I don't know...
2015-05-01T07:48:59 < jadew> but currently I can't even drill properly
2015-05-01T07:49:05 < jadew> I'm sure I can find something to do
2015-05-01T07:49:08 < jadew> I want a lathe
2015-05-01T07:49:36 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/vcnctLI.gifv
2015-05-01T07:50:22 < jadew> he's an import
2015-05-01T07:50:52 < jadew> that's how they say "congratulations" in botswana
2015-05-01T07:51:36 < jadew> who's coin is calls "pula" which means penis in romanian
2015-05-01T07:51:49 < jadew> *called
2015-05-01T07:53:34 < jadew> meh, screw this, I'm not getting anything
2015-05-01T07:54:18 < jadew> for $80? it's gotta be one hell of a beer
2015-05-01T07:54:39  * jadew goes to get a beer
2015-05-01T07:57:10 < jadew> cheers
2015-05-01T07:57:17 < jadew> this beer is great, my second fav.
2015-05-01T07:57:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/gallery/Et7mLsT
2015-05-01T07:58:05 < jadew> hoe gaarden - the name of the beer
2015-05-01T07:58:29 < upgrdman> looks like a metal sphere is bounced up
2015-05-01T07:58:45 < upgrdman> his balls?
2015-05-01T07:59:08 < jadew> it looks like they're using some sort of compressed air to shoot them up
2015-05-01T07:59:28 < jadew> they're japanese, we don't ask such questions
2015-05-01T07:59:49 < upgrdman> ^ this
2015-05-01T07:59:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSm3jezPSY
2015-05-01T08:02:55 < jadew> R2COM, they seem to have no problem abusing people
2015-05-01T08:05:15 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc1XFLyiIzI
2015-05-01T08:05:16 < jadew> YouTube: japanese ski resort punk&#39;d
2015-05-01T08:07:52 < jadew> the second half is way better
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2015-05-01T08:45:53 < kakimir> http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/1112/f4/1feb4ade5580.jpg tell me about swastika dongs
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2015-05-01T08:46:39 < kakimir> and why there is copper plates around it
2015-05-01T08:47:10 < kakimir> hey those are routings not fillings
2015-05-01T08:47:56 < kakimir> but coppers.. pcb capacitors?
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2015-05-01T09:00:08 < jadew> doubt that
2015-05-01T09:00:13 < jadew> they're probably for heat dissiaption
2015-05-01T09:01:44 < jadew> it's so the traces would lose some of the temperature before they reach the other components
2015-05-01T09:02:30 < jadew> that's a very expensive board
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2015-05-01T09:33:40 < qyx_> wut this aprinter code
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2015-05-01T12:04:12 < PeterM> dongs http://i.imgur.com/S1t5lJz.jpg
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2015-05-01T12:16:59 < ReadError> PeterM i love it
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2015-05-01T12:55:28 < dongs> lool
2015-05-01T12:56:55 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/01/tesla_reveals_battery_packs_for_homes_and_cities/ wonder if I can paypal this
2015-05-01T12:57:38 < ReadError> ITAR, you cant have one
2015-05-01T12:57:45 < dongs> bullshit
2015-05-01T12:58:27 < dongs> i can order some to alaska
2015-05-01T12:58:32 < dongs> and stick them in baggage on the way out
2015-05-01T12:59:05 < dongs> 100kg god damn
2015-05-01T13:05:08 < specing> not really
2015-05-01T13:05:29 < specing> faa regulations limit batteries to less than 25g equiv lithium content
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2015-05-01T13:31:35 < dongs> specing: wut, you can handcarry lipos on a flight
2015-05-01T13:31:38 < dongs> rcfgts do taht all the time
2015-05-01T13:32:06 < specing> dongs: 25g lithum content ~= 300 Wh
2015-05-01T13:32:52 < ReadError> lipos gotta be carried on
2015-05-01T13:33:02 < ReadError> 100Wh limit per "battery"
2015-05-01T13:33:12 < ReadError> doubt you can carry on a 100kg battery
2015-05-01T13:33:16 < specing> mh370 had a large lipo shipment on it iirc
2015-05-01T13:35:20 < baird> A mate of mine will most likely be salavating over those.. Not in the least because of the low risk of it becoming another orphan like A123
2015-05-01T13:36:41 < baird> "I'll become Australia's A123 dealer! ...oops." "I'll become Brammo's Australia's dealer! ..fuckit."
2015-05-01T13:38:14 < dongs> OpenSCAM.org - Open-Source Simulation & Computer Aided Machining (Free 3-axis CNC Simulator which understands G-Code)
2015-05-01T13:38:17 < dongs> openscam, haha.
2015-05-01T13:39:33 < baird> Another guy owns a solar PV farm, and earbashed my yesterday about getting into buttcoining. He's got about 4.5k$ of ASIC miners arriving this week, which'll be powered by the farm.
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2015-05-01T13:45:00 < dongs> haha
2015-05-01T13:45:11 < dongs> 4.5k$ of miners wont do fuck all
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2015-05-01T13:47:36 < baird> I told him he should rent out access to his farm to other putzcoiners.
2015-05-01T13:49:35 < baird> Datacentre. At least the electricity would be cheap. He had better do something less ghetto than shipping containers like he mentioned.
2015-05-01T13:52:01 < dongs> where is he geting solar panels
2015-05-01T13:52:15 < dongs> chinese ebay garbage is low wattage shite
2015-05-01T13:52:22 < dongs> i wanna paypal some quality ones
2015-05-01T13:53:57 < baird> He bought it cheap when an Electricity Company could no longer use it as a tax dodge: http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/singleton-solar-farm-big-solar-no-one-wanted-set-to-be-switched-back-on-11405
2015-05-01T13:54:15 < dongs> lol
2015-05-01T13:54:19 < dongs> what teh fuck
2015-05-01T13:54:25 < dongs> tho i headd something similar here
2015-05-01T13:54:32 < dongs> a bunch of dicks built some solar arrays nearby
2015-05-01T13:54:38 < dongs> but nobody wants to actually buy + pay for them
2015-05-01T13:54:46 < dongs> and now people near where they were built are raging
2015-05-01T13:54:51 < dongs> cuz shit is just taking up space
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2015-05-01T13:56:04 < baird> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_j_b/sets/72157650063708601/
2015-05-01T13:57:32 < dongs> 407kW is total output?
2015-05-01T13:57:35 < dongs> isnt that kinda not a lot?
2015-05-01T13:57:40 < dongs> how many panels is there
2015-05-01T13:57:59 < dongs> oh hm or maybe a lot
2015-05-01T13:58:05 < dongs> like 2k panels if its 200W panel each?
2015-05-01T14:01:00 < baird> "A few hundred houses' worth of electricity", or something.
2015-05-01T14:01:18 < dongs> i duno man
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2015-05-01T14:01:30 < dongs> my fucking house manages to waste 5kW+
2015-05-01T14:01:41 < baird> I did count the number of panels on the day, but forgotten now.
2015-05-01T14:01:58 < dongs> nerdstats
2015-05-01T14:02:25 < dongs> nepal needs your help
2015-05-01T14:02:30 < dongs> choose your charity and donate now
2015-05-01T14:03:53 < baird> A Uni researcher hang around with a proper FLIR camera, and found that the +15yo panel were actually in really good shape.
2015-05-01T14:04:12 < dongs> waht do you do wiht flir and panels?
2015-05-01T14:04:15 < dongs> do they heat up if htey're shit or wat?
2015-05-01T14:04:48 < baird> yep. The other cells discharge into the faulty one, and it heats up.
2015-05-01T14:04:52 < dongs> aha
2015-05-01T14:08:55 < baird> The Solar Farm guy gives me the shits, though. His day job is a sharp metals recycling company, and he's the sort who wants In on the bleeding-edge get-rich ideas. (bitcoin, EV transport, ..)
2015-05-01T14:09:20 < baird> *scrap metals
2015-05-01T14:11:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/microsoft-and-arduino-partnership-announced-at-build-2015-30-04-2015/
2015-05-01T14:11:10 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-05-01T14:12:52 < dongs> fake arduino
2015-05-01T14:13:10 < dongs> bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.9.3/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: cannot find -lstdc++_s
2015-05-01T14:13:13 < dongs> bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.9.3/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: cannot find -lsupc++_s
2015-05-01T14:13:16 < dongs> bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.9.3/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: cannot find -lc_s
2015-05-01T14:13:20 < dongs> bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.9.3/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: cannot find -lc_s
2015-05-01T14:13:20 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2015-05-01T14:13:21 < Laurenceb> bbl
2015-05-01T14:13:23 < dongs> lol
2015-05-01T14:13:25 < dongs> fucking opensores trash
2015-05-01T14:15:43 < baird> Android was supposed to do the same thing.
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2015-05-01T14:19:39 < specing> ld.exe?
2015-05-01T14:19:42 < specing> exe?
2015-05-01T14:20:06 < dongs> real OS
2015-05-01T14:20:08 < specing> why are you using lunix tools on non-lunix?
2015-05-01T14:20:14 < specing> get real tools
2015-05-01T14:21:54 < specing> no response -> dongs crashed?
2015-05-01T14:23:26 < Roklobsta> baird: well, my old company had a solar power telemetry station out near singleton.  winter is grim... very cloudy and solar batteries struggled.
2015-05-01T14:24:05 < Roklobsta> maybe it was the 100MHz 8051 cranking the juice.
2015-05-01T14:25:39 < ambro718> I can't get the ADC to work in circular DMA mode on F429. It seems I keep getting the ADC-overrun interrupt, nothing is ever written to memory.   code: https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4Adc.h
2015-05-01T14:26:27 < ambro718> see DMA init on line 177, and start on line 210.   Why would the DMA not be accepting data?
2015-05-01T14:27:38 < ambro718> is there some magic restrictions that I'm missing? I can use any DMA and channel, right?
2015-05-01T14:28:27 < zyp> wrong
2015-05-01T14:28:36 < dongs> yeah, wrong
2015-05-01T14:28:37 < dongs> haha
2015-05-01T14:28:44 < dongs> the dma stuff is in RM i think?
2015-05-01T14:28:52 < dongs> channel->peripheral allocation
2015-05-01T14:28:58 < ambro718> fuck...
2015-05-01T14:29:02 < zyp> each DMA stream have a given list of inputs to the dma trigger mux
2015-05-01T14:29:36 < zyp> on F4, stream refers to parallel DMA jobs, and channel refers to the selected DMA trigger for a stream
2015-05-01T14:29:57 < zyp> so for a particular DMA trigger, you need to use the correct combination of stream and channel
2015-05-01T14:31:00 < baird> Huge weeb joke: https://twitter.com/nwknews/status/594078882489192448
2015-05-01T14:31:15 < zyp> it's extra fun when you want to run multiple jobs at the same time, because then you need to pick stream/channel combos that don't collide
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2015-05-01T14:38:52 < ambro718> at last it works!
2015-05-01T14:45:18 < ambro718> is there anywhere a 64bit linux build of gcc-arm-embedded?
2015-05-01T14:46:38 < ambro718> if I build with -g it crashes with "virtual memory exhaused" when building my templates
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2015-05-01T14:56:00 < dongs> problyh a hint that your code is shit
2015-05-01T14:58:36 < Roklobsta> stm32 doesn't have virtual memory dude.
2015-05-01T14:59:33 < dongs> pretty sure his lunix does
2015-05-01T15:00:08 < Roklobsta> he needs an SSD for a swap partition
2015-05-01T15:00:38 < Roklobsta> ambro718: which verion are you using?  launchpads builds?
2015-05-01T15:00:45 < ambro718> yes
2015-05-01T15:01:11 < Roklobsta> 4.9-2-015-q3?
2015-05-01T15:02:41 < ambro718> 4.9-2015q1-20150306  I just need a 64-bit build.
2015-05-01T15:03:08 < Roklobsta> this PPA alleges 64 bits if you use Ubuntu and compatible.  https://launchpad.net/~terry.guo/+archive/ubuntu/gcc-arm-embedded
2015-05-01T15:03:36 < ambro718> thanks I may try that
2015-05-01T15:10:13 < Roklobsta> ambro718: congrats on finding a weird condition to cause you to run out if VM
2015-05-01T15:10:44 < dongs> not hard
2015-05-01T15:10:47 < dongs> just abuse preprocessor
2015-05-01T15:10:49 < dongs> to do stupid hsit
2015-05-01T15:11:01 < ambro718> I suppose it's because of the template metaprogramming, it results in insanely long symbol names
2015-05-01T15:11:46 < specing> and insanely long compile times
2015-05-01T15:12:31 < Roklobsta> template as in C++ or C trying to be C++ using preprocessor machinations?
2015-05-01T15:12:32 < ambro718> not really, about 35 seconds for the entire thing. It used to be 2.5 minutes but I managed to optimzie the templates.
2015-05-01T15:12:44 < specing> Roklobsta: C++
2015-05-01T15:12:46 < Roklobsta> for an stm32?
2015-05-01T15:12:46 < ambro718> Roklobsta: formet.
2015-05-01T15:13:02 < dongs> Roklobsta: his code looks like this https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4Adc.h
2015-05-01T15:13:25 < ambro718> I was just meaning to paste that link :)
2015-05-01T15:13:44 < Roklobsta> oh man
2015-05-01T15:14:28 < Roklobsta> there is a line in embedded systems where on one side you use c and the other you use c.  clearly you are not even in the same dimension as the line.
2015-05-01T15:14:41 < dongs> :D
2015-05-01T15:14:46 < dongs> thats what I told him
2015-05-01T15:15:49 < Roklobsta> the nice thing about micros, even small arm micros is that you can keep most of it in your head with C and memory maps and direct relations.  trying to abstract away too much is overcomplicating it.
2015-05-01T15:15:56 < ambro718> but I'm not using any of the classic C++ nonsense like constructors, exceptions, standard containers etc :D
2015-05-01T15:16:30 < Roklobsta> i am always generating assembly with gcc to see just WTF is going on.  c is easy to follow in this respect
2015-05-01T15:16:52 < ambro718> Roklobsta: it might surprise you that I don't do any dynamic memory allocation, everything is statically allocated
2015-05-01T15:17:05 < Roklobsta> yeah yeah you use garbage collection
2015-05-01T15:17:08 < ambro718> auto *o = Object::self(c);   <-- actually compiler can figure out the exact address of this
2015-05-01T15:18:20 < Roklobsta> ok i am no c++ weenie but what does all that template stuff buy you?
2015-05-01T15:19:22 < ambro718> abstractions, efficiency, fun!
2015-05-01T15:19:56 < Roklobsta> compiler pain
2015-05-01T15:20:18 < ambro718> for example this ADC HAL thing can accept any pin the user requests, no need to look at the datasheet how it's all mapped, other than which pins are ADC capable in the first place
2015-05-01T15:21:18 < Roklobsta> for an embedded micro a coder should know just what bit's he banging.
2015-05-01T15:21:41 < specing> Roklobsta: that is banned in the UK
2015-05-01T15:21:42 < dongs> ambro718: the point is, anyone needing adc pins most likely already designed the board and knows what pins will be used
2015-05-01T15:21:44 < ambro718> nonsense, it should all be abstracted away!
2015-05-01T15:22:10 < _Sync_> ambro718: dat performance penalty
2015-05-01T15:22:22 < specing> dongs: the arduino community begs to differ!
2015-05-01T15:22:37 < dongs> pssh? who givs a fuck about tarduino community
2015-05-01T15:22:43 < ambro718> my HALs are made to do only what I need them to do, and they do it with sufficient performance...
2015-05-01T15:22:49 < Roklobsta> specing: the arduino community also eats paste, as Linux puts it.
2015-05-01T15:22:55 < Roklobsta> Linus
2015-05-01T15:22:58 < specing> what
2015-05-01T15:23:03 < dongs> doesnt arduino on lunix use some ancient compiler
2015-05-01T15:23:13 < ambro718> 4.6 I think
2015-05-01T15:23:14 < dongs> avr-gcc from 20 years ago
2015-05-01T15:23:34 < Roklobsta> 2.95
2015-05-01T15:23:43 < ambro718> ah, 4.6 is the ARM compiler then
2015-05-01T15:24:25 < Roklobsta> like i said, most micros are small enough to keep in your head so you should be intimately familiar with everything
2015-05-01T15:24:59 < dongs> ^
2015-05-01T15:25:01 < Roklobsta> abstracting just divorces the programmer from WTF is going on
2015-05-01T15:25:05 < ambro718> I like to port my software to as much micros as possible and here a nice HAL is good.
2015-05-01T15:25:20 < dongs> its like that skill surfing thing
2015-05-01T15:26:15 < Roklobsta> i understand the attraction of such abstraction but then the onus on you the abstraction writer to not fuck it up for others.
2015-05-01T15:27:35 < Roklobsta> and certainly don't let the abstractions over complicate things like 6 deep nesting to just get or set a pin state.
2015-05-01T15:27:45 < Getty> abstract what you do often, do not abstract base functions just for the sake of abstraction (like hardware and co.)
2015-05-01T15:28:23 < Getty> it makes a lot of sense to prepare yourself nice good handy abstracted reader/writer for your hardware concept, but you dont need on those functions a HAL to access the hardware
2015-05-01T15:28:30 < Getty> if you have other hardware you just... you know ;)
2015-05-01T15:28:37 < Getty> you just change those functions
2015-05-01T15:28:51 < Getty> i am normally all for abstracting but i crashed so hard on ARM with that ;-)
2015-05-01T15:29:06 < Getty> coming from "unlimited ram web projects" to an ARM can be quiet a ...... big change
2015-05-01T15:29:17 < Roklobsta> set yourself up with a nice basic bunch of #defines and build on that
2015-05-01T15:29:31 < Getty> yes, #defines are awesome!
2015-05-01T15:30:13 < Roklobsta> getty yeah you went from the computer is a magical black box where all problems are solved with more MHz and RAM to, uh, how it really is.
2015-05-01T15:30:23 < Getty> hehehe yes ;)
2015-05-01T15:30:40 < Getty> but i adapted fast, i am a borg ;) and yes, you  have to literally re-think your complete thinking of software development
2015-05-01T15:30:45 < Getty> like the best topic: ID
2015-05-01T15:30:55 < Roklobsta> get jiggy with map files and assembly listings and know what the hell is going on
2015-05-01T15:30:57 < Getty> if you think about "id"'s in your code, then you are doing it wrong, if you are programming an ARM ;)
2015-05-01T15:31:09 < Getty> (while if you dont work with id's in higher level code, you are pretty stupid)
2015-05-01T15:31:31 < Getty> many people think software development is one topic for all and they try to push all shit into their C code
2015-05-01T15:32:40 < Roklobsta> ambro718: honestly, are you going to test that for bugs in any stringent way?
2015-05-01T15:32:54 < Getty> i wouldnt even really say that the abstraction makes debugging harder, in such a small environment that is nearly impossible, but the resource waste........ i mean thats REALLY a HUGE waste... every abstraction cost Flash and many also cost a lot of RAM
2015-05-01T15:33:29 < Roklobsta> right, especially little things like consts really should stay in rom and not be copied to ram
2015-05-01T15:33:47 < Getty> yeah well, doing THAT wrong is just stupid and not a bad abstraction ;)
2015-05-01T15:34:10 < PeterM> [21:59] <Roklobsta> he needs an SSD for a swap partition - if you want to fuck a SSD, sure.
2015-05-01T15:34:16 < Roklobsta> yeah but most people never think about it and wonder why they use so much ram.  boot time rom is copied to ram
2015-05-01T15:34:28 < Getty> mh?
2015-05-01T15:34:36 < Getty> i think we talk about different MCUs right now ;)
2015-05-01T15:35:00 < _Sync_> PeterM: they will still last forever now
2015-05-01T15:35:33 < PeterM> _Sync_, err they last less long now because smaller geometries have smaller write endurance...
2015-05-01T15:35:50 < Roklobsta> depends if you use SLC or MLC
2015-05-01T15:35:51 < ambro718> Roklobsta: I don't do special testing for this code, just fix bugs that I find.
2015-05-01T15:36:09 < _Sync_> yes but they still last long enough
2015-05-01T15:36:18 < _Sync_> I have a ssd in a build system
2015-05-01T15:36:30 < _Sync_> that has written a few hundered TBs
2015-05-01T15:36:34 < _Sync_> still works fine
2015-05-01T15:36:37 < Roklobsta> freertos offers a nice set of abstractions but they kept it simple, it's been tested to hell and lots of people trust it as a result
2015-05-01T15:36:53 < Roklobsta> i notice freertos avoids any device drivers
2015-05-01T15:36:59 < Roklobsta> they aren't stupid
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2015-05-01T15:38:01 < Roklobsta> in the sense they don't provide code that might break one day on a die revision or doesn't deal with an errata
2015-05-01T15:38:40 < Roklobsta> what's an aprinter?
2015-05-01T15:38:51 < ambro718> ? it's the name of the project
2015-05-01T15:39:00 < Roklobsta> hat does it do?
2015-05-01T15:39:08 < Roklobsta> is it a thing?
2015-05-01T15:39:19 < ambro718> you can't read github readme?
2015-05-01T15:39:26 < Roklobsta> wut?
2015-05-01T15:39:28 < Roklobsta> RTFM?
2015-05-01T15:39:32 < Roklobsta> hahaha good one
2015-05-01T15:39:47 < Roklobsta> i can just ask you
2015-05-01T15:40:24 < Roklobsta> nice.  though why would you want to add an axe to your 3d printer?
2015-05-01T15:41:04 < jadew> to smash the result when it's done, because it sucks anyway
2015-05-01T15:41:15 < Roklobsta> "Template metaprogramming is used to implement the abstractions efficiently. No, I do not care if the average C hacker can't read my code."
2015-05-01T15:41:43 < Roklobsta> too lumpy and crumbles under the slightest pressure
2015-05-01T15:41:52 < jadew> lol
2015-05-01T15:43:05 < Roklobsta> i have never seen a 3d printer nor handled it's products but they seem very fragile
2015-05-01T15:43:24 < jadew> I'm in the same situation
2015-05-01T15:43:35 < jadew> the reason I don't have a 3d printer is because I think they suck
2015-05-01T15:44:01 < Roklobsta> A) I think 3d printers suck.  B) Have you seen one?  A) No!
2015-05-01T15:44:32 < jadew> well, there are plenty of videos online
2015-05-01T15:44:51 < jadew> they take hours to print the smallest things and the results leave a lot to be desired
2015-05-01T15:45:07 < Roklobsta> just cnc me the thing
2015-05-01T15:45:19 < jadew> yeah, a much better solution
2015-05-01T15:45:20 < Roklobsta> from a lump of forged iron
2015-05-01T15:45:29 < jadew> I might get a 3d printer once they make them work with silicone
2015-05-01T15:45:34 < jadew> then I can build myself a flashlight
2015-05-01T15:45:35 < Roklobsta> boobs?
2015-05-01T15:45:45 < Roklobsta> fleshlight....
2015-05-01T15:45:47 < jadew> or fleshlight, whatever it's called
2015-05-01T15:46:00 < _Sync_> jadew: if you look at the shit extruding ones, yeah they suck
2015-05-01T15:46:10 < _Sync_> the stereolitho ones are awesome
2015-05-01T15:46:19 < Roklobsta> i am pretty sure dong's engineering bookends are fleshlights.
2015-05-01T15:46:27 < Roklobsta> from the photos he posted
2015-05-01T15:47:22 < jadew> _Sync_, I'll look into it thanks
2015-05-01T15:47:27  * jadew has to run
2015-05-01T15:47:28 < jadew> bye
2015-05-01T15:48:26 < Roklobsta> ambro718: weren't you lurking with this project on #avr?
2015-05-01T15:49:57 < Laurenceb__> https://xkcd.com/882/
2015-05-01T15:49:59 < Laurenceb__> epic fail
2015-05-01T15:50:03 < Laurenceb__>  p>0.05
2015-05-01T15:51:26 < Roklobsta> i think that's what climate change deniers use.
2015-05-01T15:51:29 < ambro718> Roklobsta: it supports lots of micros including AVRs
2015-05-01T15:51:40 < Roklobsta> hence the abstractions
2015-05-01T15:53:46 < ambro718> is there a list of free pins on Discovery boards (not connected to something on the board already)?
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2015-05-01T15:56:06 < Roklobsta> ambro: youshould do it in ada
2015-05-01T15:56:19 < Roklobsta> built in concurrency
2015-05-01T15:56:55 < ambro718> I don't know shit about ada heh
2015-05-01T15:58:45 < Roklobsta> just sayin'
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2015-05-01T16:24:13 < kakimir> http://cooltext.com/Logo-Design?LogoID=1178370985&1178370985_Font=127
2015-05-01T16:24:59 < Laurenceb__> Remember kids, Japanese people are just like us but with pixelated private parts.
2015-05-01T16:26:07 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: what's fail about that xkcd?
2015-05-01T16:26:28 < Laurenceb__>  p value threshold is too high
2015-05-01T16:27:24 < PaulFertser> For a research like that, how do you tell?
2015-05-01T16:27:28 < PaulFertser> I'm honestly curious.
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2015-05-01T17:47:34 < dongs> time to zzz
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2015-05-01T19:34:20 < qyx_> wut 2.5 minute compile time?
2015-05-01T19:54:56 < ambro718> it was some quadratic time manipulation of compile time lists :D
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2015-05-01T20:58:49 < BrainDamage> trollink of the day: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/my-customers-have-predominantly-reacted-positively-cake-depicting-the-911stirs-outcry-in-austria
2015-05-01T20:59:08 < BrainDamage> dongs, see above
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2015-05-01T21:58:04 < ambro718> why would PF6 not work as analog input on STM32F429I-Discovery? It reads as 0 all the time.
2015-05-01T21:58:29 < ambro718> I've enumerated all the internally connected pins on the board and PF6 does not seem to be one of them.
2015-05-01T21:58:33 < rkreis> i set the mask bits in USB_CNTR, enabled the usb interrupt line in the nvic and executed
2015-05-01T21:58:46 < rkreis> 'cpsie i' and my isr isn't called on my stm32l052, what am i missing?
2015-05-01T22:01:54 < specing> lol
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2015-05-01T22:02:28 < specing> < Roklobsta> ambro: youshould do it in ada
2015-05-01T22:02:30 < specing> seconded
2015-05-01T22:02:46 < ambro718> why ada? what's it about ada?
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2015-05-01T22:06:16 < Steffanx> specing is a guy with weird fetishes, ambro718
2015-05-01T22:06:39 < ambro718> "It has built-in language support for design-by-contract, extremely strong typing, explicit concurrency, offering tasks, synchronous message passing, protected objects, and non-determinism. Ada aims to improve the safety and maintainability by leveraging the compiler to find compile-time errors in favor of runtime errors. "
2015-05-01T22:06:44 < ambro718> sounds about right :)
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2015-05-01T22:08:54 < rkreis> ... interrupts, anyone?
2015-05-01T22:24:57  * specing pokes rkreis 
2015-05-01T22:25:17 < rkreis> specing, yes? :)
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2015-05-01T22:33:05 < ambro718> rkreis: what are you trying to do? are you writing your own usb code?
2015-05-01T22:33:50 < rkreis> no, i'm using libopencm3's usb code but i want to add wfi into my polling loop to save some power
2015-05-01T22:34:47 < ambro718> ah then I have no idea..
2015-05-01T22:35:27 < ambro718> does anyone have an idea why ADC3 would not be working (F429)?
2015-05-01T22:36:36 < Fleck> ambro718: checked circuit for discovery? maybe something connected on that pin
2015-05-01T22:36:53 < rkreis> wild guess: the wrong AF is mapped to it?
2015-05-01T22:37:30 < ambro718> Fleck:  I did, but I figured that there are no DMA transfers going on. And no EOC interrupt being raised.
2015-05-01T22:38:06 < ambro718> same code works for ADC1 (with appropriate difference in DMA configuration
2015-05-01T22:38:29 < ambro718> * no overflow interrupt
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2015-05-01T22:44:26 < ambro718> I just tested the pin PC3 with all 3 ADCs, it only works when used with ADC1, not ADC2 and ADC3
2015-05-01T22:50:03 < ambro718> why does stm32f4xx_hal_rcc.h not define __HAL_RCC_ADC2_CLK_ENABLE & __HAL_RCC_ADC3_CLK_ENABLE?
2015-05-01T22:50:13 < ambro718> only __HAL_RCC_ADC1_CLK_ENABLE
2015-05-01T22:50:52 < specing> rkreis: you wanted interrupts
2015-05-01T22:50:58 < specing> rkreis: so I poked you
2015-05-01T22:51:11 < ambro718> I taught since there is only an ADC1 define for this that there is only one clock to be enabled, apparently not..
2015-05-01T22:51:32 < rkreis> ambro718, did you check the AF register?
2015-05-01T22:52:00 < rkreis> specing, i actually wanted information about interrupts :)
2015-05-01T22:52:02 < ambro718> yes, there's bits there
2015-05-01T22:52:28 < ambro718> oh, the "missing" macros are actually in stm32f4xx_hal_rcc_ex.h. Go figure...
2015-05-01T22:55:58 < englishman> jadew, not silicone but there's flexible dildo material you can 3d print with
2015-05-01T22:58:29 < Laurenceb> dildonics
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2015-05-02T01:40:49 < ambro718> Anyone using clang with stm32 or other ARM uC? I managed to do something about a year ago, it worked nice but the resulting code was pretty slower ( https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/commit/65481df1b22a9e741622b09c72c1d850beee2b9c )
2015-05-02T01:42:00 < Roklobsta> that's coz you're using c++ and templates.  ;)
2015-05-02T01:42:39 < ambro718> not really, after the compiler "unfolds" the templates the code is nothing special
2015-05-02T01:43:00 < Roklobsta> how does template code go when it comes to single stepping through gdb?
2015-05-02T01:43:32 < Roklobsta> does the resulting code get untemplefied and the used type subsituted?
2015-05-02T01:43:44 < ambro718> you see big backtraces in gdb (I think it gets shortened)
2015-05-02T01:43:56 < ambro718> not sure about breakpoints, might be hard to set those
2015-05-02T01:44:40 < ambro718> oh the other hand this is really a generic issue not having to do anything with uCs :)
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2015-05-02T01:45:24 < Roklobsta> did you use --funroll-loops?
2015-05-02T01:46:14 < ambro718> I did not, why do you ask
2015-05-02T01:47:09 < Roklobsta> you don't get the joke....
2015-05-02T01:49:28 < ambro718> I've since dropped clang support from my code since clang didn't support constexpr math with floats which I relied on, but a quick test I just did suggests that 3.6 can :)
2015-05-02T01:50:07 < specing> C++ is worse than C
2015-05-02T01:50:17 < specing> don't let the template candy decieve you
2015-05-02T01:51:15 < ambro718> why would it be worse?
2015-05-02T01:51:48 < ambro718> you can do anything with it that you can do with C, and you have an awful lot of features at your disposal
2015-05-02T01:52:30 < specing> because you inherit all the undefined behaviour and implementation definities from C
2015-05-02T01:53:02 < ambro718> that doesn't make C++ worse
2015-05-02T01:53:16 < specing> and in reality you cannot do anything you can do in C
2015-05-02T01:53:24 < specing> take a look at dot initializers
2015-05-02T01:53:46 < ambro718> what?
2015-05-02T01:54:11 < ambro718> you mean the { .foo = bar; } stuff?
2015-05-02T01:54:14 < specing> yes
2015-05-02T01:54:15 < Roklobsta> why use templates when you can use #ifdefs and #defines to make your own!
2015-05-02T01:54:28 < ambro718> true that's a minor annoyance
2015-05-02T01:54:43 < specing> C++ would be an epic language if the undefined behaviour were removed
2015-05-02T01:55:03 < specing> and implementation defined stuff finaly defined in the language standard
2015-05-02T01:55:19 < Laurenceb> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---m3aYqkQ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/zgzw4oiit7idc1gtggqf.gif
2015-05-02T01:55:32 < specing> kinda like Ada has inline assembly as part of the standard
2015-05-02T01:55:41 < Roklobsta> not to mention any magical runrtimes c++ might chuck in
2015-05-02T01:55:55 < ambro718> there's no magical runtimes
2015-05-02T01:57:13 < ambro718> don't use the C++ stdlib, don't use exceptions (-fno-exceptions), you should be at zero overhead compared to C
2015-05-02T01:57:36 < ambro718> oh and -fno-rtti
2015-05-02T01:57:37 < specing> also I like it how you two joined 2 minutes away from eachother and immidiately started arguing
2015-05-02T01:58:59 < ambro718> I'm also curious about getting ASan working on uCs, anyone tried that?
2015-05-02T01:59:26 < Roklobsta> we're having a full and frank exchange of views
2015-05-02T01:59:38 < Roklobsta> and i woke uup on the wrong side of the bed
2015-05-02T02:00:43 < ambro718> I think we can fix that, the disovery boards have gyroscopes
2015-05-02T02:01:06 < ambro718> if we attach it to your head and it makes noises when in the wrong orientation
2015-05-02T02:01:22 < Roklobsta> sweet
2015-05-02T02:03:08 < specing> that time when you wake up on the best side of the bed and realize you are in north korea
2015-05-02T02:06:33 < Roklobsta> they are all ronery
2015-05-02T02:07:20 < Roklobsta> http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/
2015-05-02T02:07:44 < Roklobsta> and http://kimjongunlookingatthings.com/
2015-05-02T02:09:30 < Roklobsta> R2COM woke up on the best side and he's still sour!
2015-05-02T02:12:04 < jadew> Roklobsta, he seems to be very dedicated to those shades
2015-05-02T02:12:30 < ambro718> I have this strange problem with the FPU, my code works fast enough with doubles on slower uCs than STM32F4, but if I want to utilize the FPU, I need to switch to floats reducing precision.
2015-05-02T02:13:09 < jadew> ambro718, that's correct
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2015-05-02T02:13:21 < ambro718> it just... sucks. Want a double FPU!
2015-05-02T02:13:29 < jadew> me too
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2015-05-02T02:28:46 < ds2> arrrggggg cmsis doesn't do atan2
2015-05-02T02:31:38 < ambro718> what do you mean, cmsis? isn't that in the stdlib?
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2015-05-02T02:47:00 < ds2> stdlib?!
2015-05-02T02:47:07 < ds2> CMSIS is the arm library
2015-05-02T02:47:13 < ds2> on Unix/Linux, that is part of libm
2015-05-02T02:48:09 < ambro718> I taught CMSIS is a specification
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2015-05-02T02:50:59 < ambro718> if you don't have you can probably extract it out of newlib with some pain...
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2015-05-02T03:05:32 < Roklobsta> ambro: dude, does an INT32 have the dynamic range and granularity you need for 3d printing?
2015-05-02T03:09:55 < Roklobsta> "What ever you do, don't float" - Yul Brynner
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2015-05-02T03:59:17 < ds2> isn't newlib GPL?
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2015-05-02T04:03:10 < upgrdman> i need to accurately timestamp data from a few different computers, communicating over a LAN. is there a way to get their time offsets with good accuracy? (like within a few milliseconds) ... was tempted to just have each remote pc just echo back a string i send them, and determine the delay, but that would be the roundtrip delay.
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2015-05-02T04:04:29 < Roklobsta> have a look at the thingy protocol for ideas where "thingy" is something i need to google.  brb
2015-05-02T04:05:17 < Roklobsta> thingy is this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Time_Protocol
2015-05-02T04:08:29 < Roklobsta> specificall the syncronisation heading
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2015-05-02T04:10:57 < upgrdman> thx
2015-05-02T04:11:10 < ds2> NTP
2015-05-02T04:12:18 < Roklobsta> PTP might be better, though sntp might be good enough too
2015-05-02T04:15:37 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: what is the network link physical layer?
2015-05-02T04:17:00 < dongs> SLIP over serial
2015-05-02T04:19:02 < upgrdman> just a few PCs on a LAN.
2015-05-02T04:19:10 < upgrdman> cat 5e or cat 6
2015-05-02T04:19:18 < upgrdman> windows vista and 7
2015-05-02T04:19:34 < upgrdman> router might be enterprise-level, not sure
2015-05-02T04:21:06 < dongs> NCC1701 router
2015-05-02T04:23:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jrJHxyh.jpg
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2015-05-02T04:55:28 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/IAdAqRn.jpg
2015-05-02T04:56:58 < jadew> hot
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2015-05-02T05:03:28 < englishman> hey R2COM
2015-05-02T05:03:33 < englishman> how was your fishing trip
2015-05-02T05:03:34 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/lyDD18B.jpg
2015-05-02T05:06:02 < englishman> us navy tilapia
2015-05-02T05:06:13 < baird> 'I shoot fish and i vote'
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2015-05-02T05:11:28 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/IJvTuMa.gif
2015-05-02T05:12:34 < jadew> lol, that other guy started throwing up after that
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2015-05-02T05:22:33 < upgrdman> we need more of these girls  http://i.imgur.com/SbOdDMg.gifv
2015-05-02T05:43:03 < upgrdman> anyone here done socket programming? are they a standard? like, can a server socket in a java app talk just fine to a client socket in c++, etc?
2015-05-02T05:46:49 < ReadError> ofc
2015-05-02T05:47:22 < upgrdman> thought so. just making sure before i fuck myself over.
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2015-05-02T05:50:52 < upgrdman> i actually have to get some shit c# app talking to a java app
2015-05-02T05:51:32 < upgrdman> fucker that wrote the c# app commented it in detail... except for WHAT IT FUCKING DOES. lots of shit like i++; // increment i
2015-05-02T05:54:44 < upgrdman> in java it's like 5 lines of code to get a socket working and be able to read or write text to it
2015-05-02T05:54:50 < upgrdman> is it a bitch in c#
2015-05-02T05:54:50 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/04/17/man-inspired-by-is-video-threatens-to-behead-ex-girlfriend/ lol japs
2015-05-02T05:55:01 < upgrdman> good
2015-05-02T05:56:09 < jadew> wtf is IS?
2015-05-02T05:56:20 < dongs> uhh..
2015-05-02T05:56:35 < upgrdman> islamic state
2015-05-02T05:56:40 < jadew> ah, heard about them
2015-05-02T05:57:07 < upgrdman> >>>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLcF4Y6zcuo
2015-05-02T05:57:57 < jadew> dongs, that site seems like they do some really prefessional reporting: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/01/14/one-pieces-nami-has-silicone-breast-implants-we-have-photo-evidence/
2015-05-02T05:58:19 < englishman> R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-tYAnw9Ts
2015-05-02T06:00:22 < englishman> saw that one, good video
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2015-05-02T06:19:37 < inca> is it normal for FTDI ttl serial devices to screw up over 9600 baud?
2015-05-02T06:20:27 < upgrdman> no
2015-05-02T06:20:36 < upgrdman> i use em at 9600 all the time.
2015-05-02T06:20:41 < upgrdman> and up to 1kBaud too
2015-05-02T06:23:12 < inca> I'm doing a loopback from the ttl serial on the TUMPA (dev 1) to a USB FT232R
2015-05-02T06:23:25 < baird> I've had 110 and below be a problem, though.
2015-05-02T06:24:42 < inca> if I set them to anything about 9600 baud, I can rx on the FT232 (tx on TUMPA), but the tx from FT232 to rx TUMPA is garbled
2015-05-02T06:24:57 < inca> s/about/above/
2015-05-02T06:29:38 < PeterM> R2COM, how does RPG 32 compare to M15?
2015-05-02T06:35:43 < upgrdman> what is a tumpa
2015-05-02T06:36:06 < upgrdman> is it like a oompa lumpa?
2015-05-02T06:37:20 < inca> http://www.tiaowiki.com/w/TIAO_USB_Multi_Protocol_Adapter_User's_Manual
2015-05-02T06:38:53 < inca> I guess FTDI could be lying about the baud rate... via aliasing
2015-05-02T06:39:00 < inca> how the hell do I find out?
2015-05-02T06:44:28 < upgrdman> people use ftdi's at 9600 all the time
2015-05-02T06:45:00 < upgrdman> much more likely the other device isn't clocked right, or your ftdi is a counterfeit
2015-05-02T06:45:03 < inca> I remember using modems at that speed. I could read the text about as fast as it could download
2015-05-02T06:45:24 < inca> wouldn't rts/cts fix that?
2015-05-02T06:45:38 < upgrdman> how would they
2015-05-02T06:45:48 < upgrdman> they dont fix a fucked up clock
2015-05-02T06:46:14 < inca> I need to scope it, I suppose
2015-05-02T06:46:24 < inca> I'm guessing one device has aliased baud rates
2015-05-02T06:46:39 < inca> so that when you set it to the baud rate, it's actually something else
2015-05-02T06:47:39 < inca> and I can loopback to itself, at least
2015-05-02T06:51:00 < inca> hmmm... the FT232 works fine. the TUMPA loopback is garbage
2015-05-02T06:52:13 < inca> bad connection
2015-05-02T06:53:20 < inca> all better =)
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2015-05-02T09:21:29 < dongs> ur aliased
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2015-05-02T09:29:18 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181712225405 zyp what cable does this need? can I just get some kinda sfp? or wahtever loopback cable?
2015-05-02T09:30:09 < dongs> "SINGLE-PORT SFP+"
2015-05-02T09:34:26 < dongs> nvm found a listing for same shit with a cable
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2015-05-02T10:08:03 < zyp> uh, normally you'd buy a couple of SFP+ fiber transceivers, and a fiber cable to go between the transceivers
2015-05-02T10:08:08 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-02T10:08:12 < dongs> thats what i ended up with
2015-05-02T10:08:19 < dongs> they had a set of that card +cable
2015-05-02T10:08:30 < zyp> nice price btw
2015-05-02T10:08:33 < dongs> yep
2015-05-02T10:08:50 < dongs> 80bux for card /wcable
2015-05-02T10:08:55 < dongs> so i bought that + cable-less one
2015-05-02T10:09:00 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181729835000
2015-05-02T10:09:34 < dongs> looks like those are copper tho
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2015-05-02T10:09:36 < dongs> not fiber
2015-05-02T10:09:51 < dongs> as long as shit works i dont care
2015-05-02T10:11:17 < zyp> ah, yeah, that's a direct attach cable
2015-05-02T10:11:51 < zyp> works fine if you don't need more than that 3m cable
2015-05-02T10:12:00 < dongs> nope. dont evne need that much
2015-05-02T10:12:05 < dongs> its like 50cm between 2 racks
2015-05-02T10:12:14 < zyp> should be good then
2015-05-02T10:12:32 < dongs> how does it handle crossover or wahtver
2015-05-02T10:12:41 < dongs> i can just plug in one to one and it works?
2015-05-02T10:12:56 < zyp> cable is already crossed, SFP+ have well defined tx and rx connections
2015-05-02T10:13:03 < dongs> ah ok
2015-05-02T10:22:56 < zyp> hmm, I'm considering buying a couple to have extras, since I already have a switch
2015-05-02T10:23:21 < zyp> but then I'll need SFP+ transceivers as well, all the other gear I have is XFP
2015-05-02T10:25:42 < dongs>  SFP+, supports speeds of 10 Gbps or higher over fiber. XFP is a separate standard that also supports 10-Gbps speeds. The primary difference between SFP+ and the slightly older XFP standard is that SFP+ moves the chip for clock and data recovery into a line card on the host device. This makes an SFP+ smaller than an XFP, enabling greater port density.
2015-05-02T10:25:48 < dongs> looks liek SFP+ is a better choice anwyway
2015-05-02T10:26:48 < zyp> yeah, it's newer
2015-05-02T10:27:36 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/nmouc.JPG <- you see the size difference here
2015-05-02T10:28:28 < zyp> the 24 small ports on the upper switch are SFP, SFP+ are the same size, the 8 big ports are XFP
2015-05-02T10:29:09 < dongs> heh is that a 10gbe switch
2015-05-02T10:29:18 < zyp> yes
2015-05-02T10:29:20 < dongs> nice
2015-05-02T10:29:36 < zyp> some old shit that I got from a pal because his company were throwing it away
2015-05-02T10:29:42 < dongs> i spot a norco case
2015-05-02T10:29:46 < zyp> yep
2015-05-02T10:31:49 < zyp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271489958948 <- looks cheap enough
2015-05-02T10:34:43 < zyp> okay, bought two of those and two cards
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2015-05-02T10:38:14 < dongs> nice, and i guess optical cable is also standard stuff?
2015-05-02T10:38:17 < dongs> with those 2 hole shits
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2015-05-02T10:38:43 < zyp> yeah, all modern stuff is LC
2015-05-02T10:38:59 < zyp> I got a box full of LC-LC multimode cables
2015-05-02T10:40:17 < zyp> which is what's appropriate for 10gbase-SR
2015-05-02T10:40:55 < zyp> and a couple of extra XFP SR transceivers
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2015-05-02T13:02:23 < ambro718> is it possible to read SD card with DMA without having to align destination to 4 bytes?
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2015-05-02T15:07:14 < Fleck> anyone likes to reverse engineer? http://imgur.com/FHn2ucL << LCD controlled using UART from laser printer, If I change single letter from INITIALIZING - there is no output anymore, some kind of checksum at the end, if I change I to H, and N to O - there is output, ideas? :D Also at the end I suspect there is line number also included
2015-05-02T15:08:37 < Fleck> 2nd line is all spaces (20x), and at the end there is 0x03 and 0x15, 3rd line is also spaces, and at the end there is 0x03 and 0x17, 4th line 0x03; 0x19
2015-05-02T15:09:08 < inca> any reason why changing the clock would kill UART?
2015-05-02T15:22:46 < karlp> changes the apb1 speed which is what the uart dividers are based on?
2015-05-02T15:22:52 < karlp> probaly didn't kill it, just cahnged the rate?
2015-05-02T15:29:31 < inca> what a bunch of crap
2015-05-02T15:29:40  * inca sighs
2015-05-02T15:29:54  * inca tries the STM Cube autogenerator
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2015-05-02T15:32:23 < inca> even when I go back to what I believe it was before, it dies. So this code is probably wack
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2015-05-02T15:41:08 < inca> what is PWR_REGULATOR_VOLTAGE_SCALE1?
2015-05-02T15:41:31 < dongs> looks like some cube garbage
2015-05-02T15:41:50 < inca> both the human and robot code reference it, but they differ on opinion
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2015-05-02T15:50:14 < dongs> whats smaller than SC70
2015-05-02T15:50:46 < dongs> hm sot-416 looks
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2015-05-02T16:03:40 < Laurenceb> ur dick
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2015-05-02T16:17:31 < ambro718> why is there no example for sd-card in CubeF4? The stm32f4xx_hal_sd.c even says "Basically, the MSP layer configuration should be the same as we provide in the examples.
2015-05-02T16:18:17 < dongs> just use fatfs, it has a sd / sdio driver
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2015-05-02T16:18:49 < ambro718> I've already written my own FAT32 implementation, just need to write the HAL for the SD card block-level access.
2015-05-02T16:18:55 < dongs> http://www.flyrad.de/ nice
2015-05-02T16:19:42 < kakimir> do you know rdp servers for android?
2015-05-02T16:19:53 < dongs> doesnt exist
2015-05-02T16:19:58 < dongs> none properly work
2015-05-02T16:20:08 < kakimir> I don't want to touch my phone but remotelly control
2015-05-02T16:20:17 < dongs> if you have supported device, teamviewer + remote access pack for your supported device is only way to do it
2015-05-02T16:20:17 < kakimir> shieet
2015-05-02T16:20:26 < kakimir> ok
2015-05-02T16:20:40 < ambro718> front camera with mirror!
2015-05-02T16:20:59 < dongs> teamviewer works well, b ut they have retarded region/device locks for some reason
2015-05-02T16:21:10 < dongs> like HTC remote access pack is supported on my phone, but I couldnt download it in japan.
2015-05-02T16:21:44 < kakimir> there is no justice
2015-05-02T16:22:02 < kakimir> what timezone you are using atm?
2015-05-02T16:24:15 < dongs> wat
2015-05-02T16:24:20 < dongs> israel standard time
2015-05-02T16:24:38 < kakimir> ok
2015-05-02T16:33:02 < Laurenceb> israel standard time?
2015-05-02T16:33:15 < Laurenceb> sounds good for scheduling your airstrikes
2015-05-02T16:35:10 < kakimir> dongs trollzone
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2015-05-02T17:01:09 < inca> how is SW4STM32?
2015-05-02T17:04:32 < inca> it was FLASH_LATENCY_n
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2015-05-02T18:26:00 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10125229
2015-05-02T18:26:03 < Laurenceb> epic trolling
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2015-05-02T18:45:15 < GargantuaSauce> Laurenceb: dude you should have linked directly to the phys.org article
2015-05-02T18:45:43 < GargantuaSauce> makes it marginally harder to dismiss outright
2015-05-02T18:48:40 < Fleck> ok, figured it out, thanks for nothing :D
2015-05-02T18:49:42 < GargantuaSauce> my pleasure
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2015-05-02T19:46:18 < ambro718> is there any meaning of gpio output type and output speed for input pins?
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2015-05-02T19:52:06 < ambro718> is there any practival effect of enabling pull-up/down for output pins?
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2015-05-02T20:02:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> ambro718: Yes to all, otherwise they wouldn't have them?
2015-05-02T20:02:36 < trepidaciousMBR2> oh hang on sorry didn't read properly
2015-05-02T20:03:01 < ambro718> for the latter question I guess it makes sense to have pull-up on an open-drain input?
2015-05-02T20:03:20 < trepidaciousMBR2> ambro718: Yup I was just going to list that as the only one I can think of that does much :)
2015-05-02T20:03:24 < ambro718> but I don't see why one would want a pull-up on a normally driven input
2015-05-02T20:03:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> You mean output?
2015-05-02T20:03:38 < ambro718> yes
2015-05-02T20:04:29 < trepidaciousMBR2> It might make a tiny difference, also not sure why you would want it, or whether it will actually take effect
2015-05-02T20:04:40 < trepidaciousMBR2> If it does work, it will waste a bit of power I guess ;)
2015-05-02T20:05:08 < ambro718> another question, if a pin is configured in alternate-function mode (MODER=2), does that make it an output or can the associated peripheral make it an input?
2015-05-02T20:06:06 < trepidaciousMBR2> Some alternate functions are inputs, and some outputs AFAIK
2015-05-02T20:07:11 < ambro718> so generally if a pin is shown with AF and I want to use it for that, I should set it to AF mode no matter what direction it would use?
2015-05-02T20:08:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yes AFAIK you need to do that, you also need the correct alternate function
2015-05-02T20:08:16 < ambro718> of course, thanks
2015-05-02T20:08:46 < trepidaciousMBR2> np
2015-05-02T20:09:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> I think the output type, speed and pu/pd may still work with alternate functions though
2015-05-02T20:09:44 < trepidaciousMBR2> It's a while since I looked at that
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2015-05-02T20:18:37 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yup I think it's independent, so for example you can set up a UART as open drain, pull-up or push-pull, etc.
2015-05-02T20:18:47 < trepidaciousMBR2> but you still set mode to alternate function
2015-05-02T20:19:02 < trepidaciousMBR2> then depending on the alternate function it will act as either an input or an output
2015-05-02T20:22:41 < ambro718> How can I get the SD-card capacity out of the HAL_SD driver?
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2015-05-03T00:18:31 < rkreis_> interesting, looks like i misunderstood the concept of a low power timer (as found in l0)... according to the ds, it needs 3 times as much current as TIM6
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2015-05-03T02:47:59 < ambro718> I two SDIO pins on the 429-Discovery are used up for the LCD (PC9, PC10 - SDIO pins D2 and D3). If I run the SD in 1-bit mode that would work, right?
2015-05-03T02:49:03 < ambro718> * correction: D1 and D2
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2015-05-03T05:19:45 < englishman> good morning dongs, coffee for you http://i.imgur.com/RIje5qJ.jpg
2015-05-03T05:20:16 < dongs> dongs
2015-05-03T05:20:35 < dongs> is that some allahu akbar shite
2015-05-03T05:21:08 < englishman> look closer
2015-05-03T05:22:04 < englishman> hint: dongs
2015-05-03T05:23:45 < dongs> oh
2015-05-03T05:23:53 < dongs> i sorta assumed it was some arabic shit
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2015-05-03T05:48:27 < kakimir> sweet heavens.. ssd is the way to go
2015-05-03T05:49:13 < kakimir> as my last workstation blew up I gave my ssd to my brother and now I made him buy me new
2015-05-03T05:55:54 < dongs> http://www.hackthings.com/how-to-price-your-hardware-product/
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2015-05-03T06:41:54 < kakimir> it's 6:41 and I'm not going to sleep but waking up
2015-05-03T06:43:12 < kakimir> perfect dongs
2015-05-03T06:44:55 < kakimir> ultimate pricing tip: don't be optimistic + naive
2015-05-03T06:45:04 < kakimir> + do the math
2015-05-03T06:45:53 < englishman> i learned from that article that contour cost $50 to make
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2015-05-03T07:11:47 < kakimir> do you use disk caching with ssds?
2015-05-03T07:11:56 < kakimir> to avoid wear
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2015-05-03T07:32:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jFcBMY71-M
2015-05-03T07:32:45 < kakimir> skrillex
2015-05-03T07:43:16 < kakimir> time for breakfast dongs
2015-05-03T07:45:12 < PeterM> ram is cheap, but more and turn off swap/pageing
2015-05-03T07:45:28 < PeterM> buy
2015-05-03T07:47:03 < kakimir> by cache I meant write cache
2015-05-03T07:48:33 < PeterM> you dont use that either, the ssd hasa apretty large write cacher and is proabbly more efficient than the OS one
2015-05-03T07:49:33 < PeterM> ofcourse if you use the SSD in IDE mode rather than AHCI mode you want the write cache turned on
2015-05-03T07:49:34 < kakimir> it actualyl has 1GB write cache
2015-05-03T07:49:42 < kakimir> my ssd
2015-05-03T07:49:49 < kakimir> just realized
2015-05-03T07:51:14 < PeterM> dafuq
2015-05-03T07:51:56 < kakimir> and execution?
2015-05-03T07:52:31 < kakimir> cool
2015-05-03T07:52:37 < kakimir> syberia
2015-05-03T07:53:35 < kakimir> they used to use siberia as prison
2015-05-03T07:54:28 < kakimir> thousands of miles of traintracks between civilisation and prison camp
2015-05-03T07:54:40 < kakimir> and endless forrest
2015-05-03T07:55:47 < kakimir> when area of finland was under russian rule some finnish dude walked home from siberia
2015-05-03T08:00:51 < kakimir> looked at stars and headed to west
2015-05-03T08:01:21 < kakimir> slept during hot days and walked during chill nights
2015-05-03T08:01:42 < baird> A Commie Rabbit-proof Fence
2015-05-03T08:04:02 < kakimir> sounds like napoleon
2015-05-03T08:04:46 < kakimir> and winter
2015-05-03T08:05:05 < kakimir> seasons always seem to play part
2015-05-03T08:06:58 < kakimir> sauna and morning coffees>
2015-05-03T09:18:37 < akaWolf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNGVMIwamL8
2015-05-03T09:18:44 < akaWolf> R2COM: ^
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2015-05-03T10:44:57 < kakimir> how do you connect sata drives to raid card connectors
2015-05-03T10:45:03 < kakimir> that are some sas shiet
2015-05-03T10:50:13 < kakimir> ok there are adapter cables that convert one connector to 4x sata connector
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2015-05-03T11:40:16 < zyp> kakimir, or just buy a case with a backplane that has one of those for every four sff connector
2015-05-03T11:41:07 < kakimir> show me
2015-05-03T11:41:20 < zyp> I've got a Norco RPC-3216
2015-05-03T11:42:42 < zyp> http://www.norcotek.com/item_detail.php?categoryid=1&modelno=RPC-3216
2015-05-03T11:42:55 < zyp> doesn't look like they got any pics of the backplanes though
2015-05-03T11:43:50 < kakimir> how much you pay for such box?
2015-05-03T11:46:15 < zyp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371297709398
2015-05-03T11:47:01 < zyp> that's the same ebay seller I got mine from, two years ago
2015-05-03T11:47:07 < zyp> same price as well
2015-05-03T11:50:54 < dongs> hm
2015-05-03T11:50:56 < dongs> thats a weird layout
2015-05-03T11:51:04 < dongs> my norcos power supply is on the right side
2015-05-03T11:51:08 < dongs> then fans in center
2015-05-03T11:51:12 < dongs> then slots on left
2015-05-03T11:51:19 < dongs> all the ones ive seen were like that, too
2015-05-03T11:51:31 < dongs> i wonder what advantage is tehre to moving power supply to the left
2015-05-03T11:52:08 < zyp> yeah, I know there's some differences
2015-05-03T11:52:28 < zyp> one of my pals have an older generation RPC-3116
2015-05-03T11:52:37 < dongs> so that backplane directly connects to sff8086?
2015-05-03T11:52:40 < dongs> er 8087
2015-05-03T11:52:43 < zyp> yes
2015-05-03T11:52:46 < dongs> instead of fanout to sata? neat
2015-05-03T11:52:53 < dongs> less garbage to deal with
2015-05-03T11:52:55 < zyp> RPC-3116 is same except with individual sata connectors
2015-05-03T11:53:39 < zyp> which norco do you have?
2015-05-03T11:53:50 < dongs> 4U ones
2015-05-03T11:53:57 < zyp> ah
2015-05-03T11:53:58 < dongs> i have like 3 different generations of htem too
2015-05-03T11:54:03 < dongs> door style changed
2015-05-03T11:54:11 < dongs> and back fan/backplane stuff is different
2015-05-03T11:54:33 < dongs> 4020? i think
2015-05-03T11:54:42 < dongs> and 4220 or soemthing
2015-05-03T11:54:52 < zyp> I think the reason this one has PSU on the left is that it doesn't fit vertically in 3U, and it doesn't fit horizontally beside the motherboard
2015-05-03T11:55:15 < dongs> its horizontal in 4U also
2015-05-03T11:55:29 < zyp> so it hangs over the motherboard, and it's probably better to block a couple of pci slots than blocking the cpu cooler
2015-05-03T11:55:41 < dongs> o wait its not
2015-05-03T11:55:52 < dongs> it is vertical in 4u
2015-05-03T11:56:26 < dongs> i gotta dump some of my ancient raid shit soon
2015-05-03T11:56:35 < dongs> i got 2x chenbro 24port expanders
2015-05-03T11:56:38 < dongs> or was it 36port
2015-05-03T11:56:44 < dongs> and some 3ware/lsi shit
2015-05-03T11:57:21 < dongs> 3ware is dead to me, ever since they sold out to LSI their shit offers nothing special that someone else isnt already doing
2015-05-03T11:57:27 < zyp> heh
2015-05-03T11:58:31 < zyp> I like the LSI 9201-16i I've got in mine
2015-05-03T11:58:57 < dongs> iisnt that just a lunix hba
2015-05-03T11:59:02 < dongs> no raid
2015-05-03T11:59:19 < zyp> yep
2015-05-03T11:59:38 < dongs> fuck that noise
2015-05-03T11:59:54 < dongs> if im gonna lose my data i better blame it on hardware
2015-05-03T12:00:16 < zyp> eh, I wanted a no-bullshit HBA, there's not really any reason to run hardware raid today
2015-05-03T12:00:33 < dongs> what OS supports proepr software raid?
2015-05-03T12:00:41 < dongs> (lunuix is not an option)
2015-05-03T12:01:15 < ReadError> freenas ?
2015-05-03T12:01:20 < dongs> ...
2015-05-03T12:01:23 < dongs> > free
2015-05-03T12:01:25 < dongs> > nas
2015-05-03T12:01:28 < dongs> enjoy your fucking lost data
2015-05-03T12:01:37 < ReadError> its based on freebsd
2015-05-03T12:01:44 < ReadError> i know how you love bsd
2015-05-03T12:02:12 < dongs> huh the board in this box is fucking LGA775 xeon :|
2015-05-03T12:02:14 < zyp> dongs, well, considering I'm running zfs, how about solaris?
2015-05-03T12:02:21 < zyp> :p
2015-05-03T12:03:02 < ReadError> oh god
2015-05-03T12:03:08 < ReadError> solaris ;x
2015-05-03T12:03:24 < zyp> I'm just joking
2015-05-03T12:03:33 < zyp> freenas happens to be built on zfs as well
2015-05-03T12:03:35 < baird_> I'm So Solaris, I Shit 2GB Sticks of RAM!
2015-05-03T12:03:48 < ReadError> zyp ya
2015-05-03T12:03:53 < zyp> I've got a fun story about that actually
2015-05-03T12:04:43 < zyp> I helped a friend (that one with the RPC-3116) rebuild his raid a few weeks ago (by storing his 11TB of data in the mean time)
2015-05-03T12:04:46 < dongs> One PCI Express* x16 connector to be used as a x16 link from chipset (If a VGA adapter is inserted into this slot, the VGA card will only work at PCI Express* x1 speed; this is a chipset limitation.)  heh
2015-05-03T12:05:36 < zyp> he went from freenas to zfs on linux, and for some reason shit got way faster afterwards, even though it was the same hardware and the same drives
2015-05-03T12:06:12 < zyp> we're wondering what caused that
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2015-05-03T12:07:50 < PeterM> who fuckin knows, probably some random tiny config option in a text file hidden 10 directories, completely undocumented
2015-05-03T12:08:23 < zyp> zfs doesn't have those
2015-05-03T12:08:52 < dongs> a test with some ancient hdtach shit had my array doing 500meg/sec reads during initialize so i really dont give a fuck, its faster than I would need it to be
2015-05-03T12:09:06 < zyp> part of it might have been alignment for drives with 4k sectors
2015-05-03T12:09:20 < dongs> i hada choice for that with the raidcard
2015-05-03T12:09:23 < dongs> 4k sectors or 64bit lba
2015-05-03T12:09:30 < dongs> if I chose 4k sectors, i could only have 16tb array
2015-05-03T12:09:33 < dongs> ???????????
2015-05-03T12:09:37 < dongs> so like, no
2015-05-03T12:09:37 < zyp> wat
2015-05-03T12:09:50 < zyp> how's that related?
2015-05-03T12:10:32 < zyp> oh, that would be access to the array itself
2015-05-03T12:11:02 < PeterM> >16tb array
2015-05-03T12:11:06 < PeterM> thats liek 2 drives
2015-05-03T12:12:37 < zyp> heh
2015-05-03T12:13:09 < zyp> guess that means hard drives will run into more fun in a couple of years when they pass 16TB in size :p
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2015-05-03T12:18:48 < dongs> its taking 28 hours to copy 10tb so far
2015-05-03T12:18:51 < dongs> fucking ridiculous
2015-05-03T12:18:58 < dongs> the 10gbe shit will arrive before this copy is over
2015-05-03T12:19:29 < PeterM> dafuq what are you copyign it with?
2015-05-03T12:19:38 < Roklobsta> that's a lot of porn
2015-05-03T12:19:39 < dongs> gbit
2015-05-03T12:19:55 < dongs> i have ~30tb to copy over
2015-05-03T12:20:12 < PeterM> you can't even do link aggregation?
2015-05-03T12:20:22 < dongs> eh i can, and i might do it for the 2nd copy
2015-05-03T12:20:32 < zyp> yeah, we put one of my 10gbe cards in my friend's box when we moved the data over and back, saved some time on that
2015-05-03T12:21:58 < PeterM> just stick in the other raid adaptor if hardware raid
2015-05-03T12:22:03 < PeterM> fuck it
2015-05-03T12:22:42 < zyp> and since we both were using zfs, we just ran zfs replication, which was faster than anything file oriented
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2015-05-03T12:32:00 < qyx_> mhm, usb3 host-to-host mode would be a cheap alternative
2015-05-03T12:32:16 < qyx_> if the drivers & chips supported it
2015-05-03T12:38:32 < PeterM> qyx_, is that a real thing?
2015-05-03T12:38:46 < dongs> on lunix i think
2015-05-03T12:39:16 < dongs> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg58235.html
2015-05-03T12:39:17 < dongs> or not
2015-05-03T12:39:18 < dongs> lol
2015-05-03T12:39:29 < qyx_> no, no suppoer so far
2015-05-03T12:39:32 < dongs> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg58237.html
2015-05-03T12:39:40 < dongs> wut? apparently technically impossible?
2015-05-03T12:40:14 < dongs> oh gregkh is clueless again
2015-05-03T12:40:16 < dongs> waht a shick
2015-05-03T12:40:18 < dongs> shock rather
2015-05-03T12:40:31 < PeterM> http://www.oti.com.tw/OTi%20-%207300.html
2015-05-03T12:40:43 < qyx_> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg58378.html
2015-05-03T12:40:53 < qyx_> this is reply from that inteli usb girl
2015-05-03T12:40:57 < qyx_> *intel
2015-05-03T12:41:06 < dongs> "girl"
2015-05-03T12:41:09 < dongs> more like drama queen
2015-05-03T12:41:37 < dongs> Ours Technology, haha.
2015-05-03T12:43:59 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgvR3y5JCXg
2015-05-03T12:49:16 < specing> dongs: why are you reading linux mailing lists?
2015-05-03T13:06:37 < dongs> i dont
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2015-05-03T15:55:26 < dongs> w3hats the trick to get a shitphone to charge faster
2015-05-03T15:55:29 < dongs> resistors on D+/D- shit?
2015-05-03T15:55:32 < dongs> or is there an actual spec somewehre
2015-05-03T15:56:34 < Fleck> short AFAIK
2015-05-03T15:58:22 < Fleck> but resistor should work as well
2015-05-03T16:02:26 < dongs> oh
2015-05-03T16:02:33 < dongs> apparently shorting is a thing
2015-05-03T16:02:36 < dongs> and resistor is apple thing
2015-05-03T16:02:38 < dongs> lulz.
2015-05-03T16:02:57 < dongs> need to try
2015-05-03T16:04:34 < ambro718> I'm having difficulties getting SD-card to work with STM32F4-Discovery. My connections should be find because it works with MicroPython, but with my own code, it would only work when I leave it in 1-bit-width mode. If I do HAL_SD_WideBusOperation_Config(SDIO_BUS_WIDE_4B) after HAL_SD_Init(), the reads would later fail with SD_START_BIT_ERR error.
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2015-05-03T16:11:36 < dongs> hm phone drawing 1A with d+/- shorted
2015-05-03T16:11:46 < dongs> but not doing "fast" charge as it does with legitcharger
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2015-05-03T16:20:18 < PeterM> TPS2513
2015-05-03T16:20:23 < PeterM> dongs
2015-05-03T16:20:26 < PeterM> dingleberry
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2015-05-03T16:34:53 < Taxman> PeterM: i know this chip. it works great
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2015-05-03T16:37:09 < scrts> anyone have experience with STM43F4 and LCDs?
2015-05-03T16:37:13 < scrts> damn, STM32F4
2015-05-03T16:37:22 < PeterM> theres a 43bit line?
2015-05-03T16:37:38 < scrts> there's a guy in US who has some issues and wishes to pay for help
2015-05-03T16:38:06 < scrts> PeterM-> ofcourse it is... it was before Cortex-A53 release
2015-05-03T16:38:07 < Steffann> Tectu ^^ :P
2015-05-03T16:42:50 < Tectu> scrts, I got some experience on that sector
2015-05-03T16:45:37 < Tectu> how to fix?
2015-05-03T16:46:52 < scrts> Tectu-> gimme your email
2015-05-03T16:55:48 < PaulFertser> dongs: the standard thing is d+/d- short, that means a "wallcharger" which is faster than 100mA anyway. But then, it depends on the particular manufacturer. With samsung, iirc, one would need to set data lines to ~2V with a divider network, for apple it's a different voltage.
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2015-05-03T16:57:25 < dongs> PaulFertser: shorting works good enough for now
2015-05-03T16:57:34 < dongs> tested
2015-05-03T16:57:48 < PaulFertser> That's standard, yeah.
2015-05-03T16:57:54 < dongs> PeterM: clicking
2015-05-03T16:58:30 < dongs> Continuous Current (Max) (A) 99
2015-05-03T16:58:32 < dongs> surely troll?
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2015-05-03T16:59:26 < superbia> sup
2015-05-03T16:59:31 < Taxman> i pimped my usb car adapter with a short circuit
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2015-05-03T17:04:20 < englishman> PeterM: wow, shows the problem with segmentation of current usb spec
2015-05-03T17:04:26 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-03T17:04:28 < englishman> hopefully usb-c will fix this?
2015-05-03T17:04:35 < dongs> 'i wonder if that trash will support ifaggot?
2015-05-03T17:06:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgosYeAymUw musics
2015-05-03T17:06:35 < kakimir> not skrillex
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2015-05-03T17:06:52 < englishman> where do you see 99A dongs
2015-05-03T17:06:59 < englishman> o the table
2015-05-03T17:07:02 < dongs> y
2015-05-03T17:07:11 < englishman> maybe a placeholder since it has nothing to do with vbat line
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2015-05-03T17:08:36 < englishman> it should meet your approval tho http://i.imgur.com/ts1tBQ7.jpg
2015-05-03T17:08:51 < dongs> haha
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2015-05-03T17:13:04 < PeterM> englishman actually it is good pinout
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2015-05-03T17:13:23 < PeterM> you put the chip sideways and you can route it directly to 2x ports
2015-05-03T17:13:46 < PeterM> also lolwut ti
2015-05-03T17:19:12 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/UoxKpK5
2015-05-03T17:20:33 < PeterM> (example)
2015-05-03T17:21:52 < dongs> is that some kikecad footprint
2015-05-03T17:22:22 < PeterM> which one? usbsocket?
2015-05-03T17:22:45 < dongs> nope
2015-05-03T17:22:51 < dongs> the SOT23-6 with a fucking silk outline OUTSIDE the pads
2015-05-03T17:23:43 < PeterM> oh, just some random one i chose for example - not sure which library i got it from
2015-05-03T17:23:43 < dongs> i dont get it
2015-05-03T17:23:46 < dongs> how do you configure that TPS
2015-05-03T17:23:49 < dongs> for different charging shit
2015-05-03T17:23:51 < PeterM> you dont
2015-05-03T17:23:51 < dongs> or is it all automatic
2015-05-03T17:23:56 < PeterM> all automatatic
2015-05-03T17:24:05 < dongs> http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/power_interface/f/204/p/295853/1251396
2015-05-03T17:24:10 < englishman> only choice you have is 5w/10w charger
2015-05-03T17:24:13 < dongs> why is this dick talking about 'configuration'
2015-05-03T17:24:47 < englishman> cuz hes dum
2015-05-03T17:25:02 < englishman> whether your charger is 5w or 10w depends on what charging hardware youre using
2015-05-03T17:25:08 < englishman> not something that would be dynamic
2015-05-03T17:25:27 < englishman> if im getting this correctly
2015-05-03T17:28:58 < PeterM> if you want to use it as a 10W charger you wire the dm/dp the  right way and it will signal 10w capable, if you wire reverse it signals 5w, how hard can it be?
2015-05-03T17:30:01 < PeterM> its not fucking rocket surgery
2015-05-03T17:31:28 < PeterM> GL888F, VP203, EC49021, F75198, EST5198,CW3002D, MAX14630 have the swiching dividers in them but most of them are single port, which youcan "configure" with a resistor", unlike the automatatic TI part
2015-05-03T17:32:27 < dongs> so i just connect dp>dp, dm>dm and all is good right?
2015-05-03T17:32:40 < dongs> this shit is gnna be hooked up to like 50A 5V smps
2015-05-03T17:32:48 < dongs> so shits can draw as much as it wants
2015-05-03T17:32:53 < PeterM> yeah
2015-05-03T17:32:58 < PeterM> dp-dp, dm-dm
2015-05-03T17:33:19 < PeterM> for a shitty 5v 1a wallwart you switch em
2015-05-03T17:35:06 < englishman> then do the 10w configuration
2015-05-03T17:35:45 < englishman> which is the non-swastika one sadly
2015-05-03T17:37:14 < PeterM> also remember the  phone will only charge as fast as its controller will let it, so if you have the phone real hot the controller may limit charge current etc
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2015-05-03T17:43:46 < dongs> well yeah
2015-05-03T17:46:07 < kakimir> 12v charge it
2015-05-03T17:48:50 < ambro718> trying again... I'm having difficulties getting SD-card to work with STM32F4-Discovery. My connections should be find because it works with MicroPython, but with my own code, it would only work when I leave it in 1-bit-width mode. If I do HAL_SD_WideBusOperation_Config(SDIO_BUS_WIDE_4B) after HAL_SD_Init(), the reads would later fail with SD_START_BIT_ERR error.
2015-05-03T17:49:37 < ambro718> here's my code, https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4SdCard.h
2015-05-03T17:51:20 < PeterM> have you tried
2015-05-03T17:51:22 < PeterM> turning it off and on again?
2015-05-03T17:51:28 < ambro718> yes
2015-05-03T17:53:09 < dongs> https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/system/Stm32f4SdCard.h#L454
2015-05-03T17:53:12 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2015-05-03T17:53:15 < dongs> whats with all the fucking \'s
2015-05-03T17:53:21 < ambro718> I see that pins PC10 and PC12 (SDIO: D2 and CK) are connected somewhere to the audio chip, but them, it works with micropython
2015-05-03T17:54:07 < ambro718> dongs: it's just a multi-line macro to reroute the ISRs to my code
2015-05-03T18:10:32 < Taxman> does one know another input power mux like the TPS2112?
2015-05-03T18:23:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNVVUOWZydm1fanM/view?usp=sharing soon I have 4 lines controlling 250amperes.. I don't feel safe
2015-05-03T18:24:14 < kakimir> with wimpy lpc board
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2015-05-03T18:33:52 < kakimir> the thing is I don't know how to exactly drive those lines
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2015-05-03T19:29:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7VrZUhk.png attn
2015-05-03T19:37:48 < Getty> hrhr
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2015-05-03T19:45:12 < emeb_mac> you can tell it's pro - says so right on the board.
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2015-05-03T19:46:17 < Laurenceb> whats the correct terminology for converting say 12 bit to 16 bit variables?
2015-05-03T19:46:23 < Laurenceb> padded?
2015-05-03T19:46:32 < emeb_mac> http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/2/8535259/penis-pothole-activism-wanksy-england
2015-05-03T19:46:52 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to write a manual for some kit, needs to be as untechnical as possible but still get the message across
2015-05-03T19:46:55 < Laurenceb> emeb: old
2015-05-03T19:47:07 < emeb_mac> always
2015-05-03T19:47:56 < Laurenceb> "data is expanded to 16 bit " ?
2015-05-03T19:48:10 < emeb_mac> scaled to fit the available dynamic range
2015-05-03T19:48:38 < emeb_mac> expanded is good too
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2015-05-03T19:49:04 < englishman> soundstage widened technoassistedly
2015-05-03T19:49:20 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-05-03T19:49:33 < Laurenceb> thanks, I hate writing manuals :D
2015-05-03T19:50:22 < emeb_mac> anyone ever tried emulating eeprom with flash on the STM32?
2015-05-03T19:52:31 < dongs> you mean using thier shitty example?
2015-05-03T19:52:48 < dongs> or do youmean just using a page of flash for stuff
2015-05-03T19:52:51 < emeb_mac> Probably not. I've got an app where I need calibration data stored on an f030 - blocksize is 1kB. Seems that the cal data could be stored in an aligned structure with a magic word at the header.
2015-05-03T19:53:03 < emeb_mac>  Scan through the 1kB and find the last valid structure and use that when reading
2015-05-03T19:53:18 < emeb_mac> when writing, don't erase, just tack new structure on the end
2015-05-03T19:53:26 < emeb_mac> only erase when the whole 1kB is used.
2015-05-03T19:54:17 < dongs> sounds good
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2015-05-03T20:03:41 < superbia> sup
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2015-05-03T20:43:26 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/sfXkzH8
2015-05-03T20:47:21 < Steffanx> real mentits
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2015-05-03T20:56:58 < emeb_mac> don't be so crude. the word is "moobs"
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2015-05-03T22:32:01 < Tectu> jpa-, ping
2015-05-03T22:32:15 < superbia> gnu pong
2015-05-03T22:33:29 < Getty> pew pew
2015-05-03T22:34:54 < Steffanx> jpa- is already in dreamland
2015-05-03T22:35:02 < superbia> Steffanx: you use cube on linux right?
2015-05-03T22:35:07 < Steffanx> no
2015-05-03T22:35:26 < Steffanx> cube doesnt work on an os that is not windows
2015-05-03T22:35:39 < Steffanx> that tool before it, microxplorer or something did work on osx/lunix
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2015-05-03T22:38:45 < superbia> heh
2015-05-03T22:38:51 < superbia> i want to try that shite
2015-05-03T22:45:36 < bradfirj> Works tolerably under wine
2015-05-03T22:45:50 < bradfirj> It would work under the linux JVM if they hadn't hardcoded log paths like scrubs
2015-05-03T22:46:55 < superbia> i should learn it..
2015-05-03T22:47:10 < superbia> since i plan to start inovating again
2015-05-03T22:50:17 < ReadError> it seems kinda dumb
2015-05-03T22:50:23 < ReadError> it generates all this HAL trash
2015-05-03T22:50:31 < ReadError> and no documents on it
2015-05-03T23:00:40 < superbia> but its new and awsome
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2015-05-03T23:21:38 < ambro718> Is there something I can put in the linker script to export the address of the end of flash? Here's my current linker script, https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/platform/stm32f4/stm32f407.ld
2015-05-03T23:22:10 < ambro718> I need this to do a runtime check that the part of the flash that I will be using for application data does not overlap with the program data
2015-05-03T23:22:48 < ambro718> (executable code, static data, whatever was put in there by the linker)
2015-05-03T23:23:01 < PaulFertser> ambro718: see how they export the end address of RAM with _end.
2015-05-03T23:23:11 < PaulFertser> And do the same
2015-05-03T23:24:29 < PaulFertser> ambro718: isn't _edata already suitable for your purpose?
2015-05-03T23:24:53 < ambro718> PaulFertser: ah, well, yeah, sorry, wrong question, I did know how to do that. What I want to know is how to get the *end of flash*, so that I do a check that the selected data region also does not fall outside the flash.
2015-05-03T23:26:05 < ambro718> __fini_array_end  is already suitable I think ^^  not _edata because _edata is the remapped thing
2015-05-03T23:26:58 < PaulFertser> ambro718: everything that goes to flash is needed, that edata thing is copied to RAM on start.
2015-05-03T23:27:07 < ambro718> ah no, wrong, need to take into account the .data that is put in flash
2015-05-03T23:27:44 < PaulFertser> Yes
2015-05-03T23:28:05 < ambro718> PaulFertser: I think it is copied from _sidata (flash) into [_sdata, _edata) (ram)
2015-05-03T23:28:23 < ambro718> I suppose I can put a dummy >FLASH section to get the flash address after that
2015-05-03T23:29:59 < ambro718> .dummy : { _eflash = .; } >FLASH
2015-05-03T23:32:44 < PaulFertser> ambro718: I wonder if LOADADDR(_edata) would work, probably not, so probably that dummy section is the best way.
2015-05-03T23:33:50 < PaulFertser> ambro718: PROVIDE (__load_stop_text0 = LOADADDR (.text0) + SIZEOF (.text0));
2015-05-03T23:33:55 < PaulFertser> ambro718: from the ld manual
2015-05-03T23:35:07 < PaulFertser> No need for provide in your case but loadaddr + sizeof seems sensible
2015-05-03T23:35:19 < ambro718> .text0? what would I apply this to?
2015-05-03T23:36:16 < ambro718> I suppose it would work if applied to the laste section that is put in flash  (  LOADADDR (.data) + SIZEOF (.data)  )
2015-05-03T23:36:25 < ambro718> but then I think a dummy section is nicer
2015-05-03T23:36:25 < PaulFertser> ambro718: exactly
2015-05-03T23:36:49 < ambro718> ok so we got this sorted out, now how about the other limit (actual end of flash)?
2015-05-03T23:37:02 < ambro718> same as for _estack?  https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-porting/aprinter/platform/stm32f4/stm32f407.ld#L34
2015-05-03T23:37:37 < ambro718> _end_of_all_flash = ORIGIN(FLASH) + LENGTH(FLASH);
2015-05-03T23:38:10 < PaulFertser> Yes
2015-05-03T23:38:12 < ambro718> then the application would assert that the selected application-data region is within _eflash and _end_of_all_flash
2015-05-03T23:38:21 < ambro718> okay that sounds right, thanks!
2015-05-03T23:39:31 < ambro718> (I suppose I could somehow declare the application-data region in the linker script but I like to avoid putting special configuration into the linker script)
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2015-05-04T00:02:45 < upgrdman> dp?
2015-05-04T00:02:57 < upgrdman> o
2015-05-04T00:03:59 < englishman> 100V is japshit no?
2015-05-04T00:04:43 < englishman> theres 2 bits of info
2015-05-04T00:04:48 < englishman> for 3 possible settings
2015-05-04T00:05:13 < englishman> its cheap chinashit, what do you want
2015-05-04T00:05:41 < englishman> looks like it ya
2015-05-04T00:05:48 < englishman> then 115
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2015-05-04T00:13:45 < upgrdman> well your psu is linear, no?
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2015-05-04T00:17:10 < ambro718> Suppose DMA fills in memory, then I use memcpy to copy it somewhere. Is there a chance the compiler would have a problem with this? Maybe a memory barrier is warranted?
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2015-05-04T01:16:21 < GargantuaSauce> that's why god gave us volatile
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2015-05-04T01:17:14 < ambro718> GargantuaSauce: yes but how do you use volatile properly in this case?
2015-05-04T01:17:32 < ambro718> note that memcpy does not take volatile pointers
2015-05-04T01:18:13 < ambro718> memcpy(dst, (char *)(char volatile *)dma_memory, length);   does casting it to volatile and back help maybe?
2015-05-04T01:18:31 < ambro718> assuming one has    char dma_memory[length];
2015-05-04T01:19:26 < GargantuaSauce> i dont think so
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2015-05-04T01:20:18 < GargantuaSauce> well maybe. all we need to indicate to the compiler is that the value could have changed between memcpy calls right
2015-05-04T01:20:47 < GargantuaSauce> but casting volatile to nonvolatile is undefined behaviour i think
2015-05-04T01:22:03 < ambro718> yes the trick is that the memory couldn't change just at any time, so the memcpy may perfectly treat it as non-volatile "locally"
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2015-05-04T01:26:05 < ambro718> found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6751605/data-memory-barrier-dmb-in-cmsis-libraries-for-cortex-m3s
2015-05-04T01:26:29 < zyp> as long as memcpy is opaque, you're good
2015-05-04T01:27:10 < ambro718> opaque? compilers can and do optimize memcpy.
2015-05-04T01:27:27 < zyp> but if memcpy can be inlined, you run the risk of an optimization step deciding that "this data didn't change since last we copied it"
2015-05-04T01:27:34 < ambro718> currently I have this available in my code:  inline static void memory_barrier (void) { asm volatile ("" : : : "memory"); }
2015-05-04T01:27:55 < zyp> yeah, that should work
2015-05-04T01:28:01 < ambro718> I'm guessing I should make a DMA-aware version that has the dmb instruction. Not sure what it does probably some CPU cache stuff?
2015-05-04T01:28:50 < zyp> not much cache to speak of, but yes
2015-05-04T01:29:05 < Getty> oookkkk http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/231182
2015-05-04T01:30:40 < GargantuaSauce> uh
2015-05-04T01:30:50 < GargantuaSauce> so shaking hands with someone can let them steal your authentication token?
2015-05-04T01:32:04 < ambro718> 18-bit password transmitted in the clear? Wonderful.
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2015-05-04T01:44:44 < upgrdman> i'm waiting for them to come out with version 2.0, a supository.
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2015-05-04T02:59:31 < dongs> 18bit password, haha
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2015-05-04T05:00:09 < inca> is it possible to interface with an LCD controller without a control line, such as through SPI?
2015-05-04T05:00:18 < inca> that is, through just the RGB data lines?
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2015-05-04T05:14:45 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://imgur.com/cQSqosC
2015-05-04T05:33:56 < dongs> looks like japan
2015-05-04T06:02:00 < baird> Not Stonertronics, damn. http://au.element14.com/stontronics/t5584dv/psu-raspberry-pi-5v-2a-micro-usb/dp/2427500?ost=2427500
2015-05-04T06:02:14 < dongs> haha
2015-05-04T06:03:26 < englishman> any newz on pixel panel adapter
2015-05-04T06:32:46 < dongs> chromebook dixel?
2015-05-04T06:32:49 < dongs> i think it works
2015-05-04T06:32:57 < dongs> havent touched it since last revision
2015-05-04T06:36:49 < dongs> R2COM: did you see my new dickstarter
2015-05-04T06:37:01 < upgrdman> hmmm, the white girl rubbing herself?
2015-05-04T06:37:14 < dongs> R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/An2QnbO.png
2015-05-04T06:38:21 < upgrdman> Math.Random()
2015-05-04T06:38:50 < PeterM> dongs with a supply rail like that im not sure the tps2513 even needs that 0.1uf
2015-05-04T06:39:03 < dongs> heh
2015-05-04T06:39:08 < inca> sw4stm32
2015-05-04T06:39:23 < dongs> PeterM: i need to charge 100 phones at once
2015-05-04T06:39:29 < dongs> which is what this is for
2015-05-04T06:39:40 < dongs> goin to stack them
2015-05-04T06:39:45 < inca> Anker!
2015-05-04T06:39:57 < upgrdman> for some china girls to shill rate apps?
2015-05-04T06:40:00 < dongs> yes
2015-05-04T06:40:05 < dongs> excatly
2015-05-04T06:40:12 < PeterM> going to have a 5v 200a supply or a 24v 50a supply?
2015-05-04T06:40:32 < dongs> 5V 200A
2015-05-04T06:40:40 < dongs> already have, got pics somewhere i think its like 300A or someshit
2015-05-04T06:40:42 < dongs> it is huge
2015-05-04T06:40:45 < englishman> only 100? not 1000? shame on your family
2015-05-04T06:41:09 < PeterM> dongs does it have remote sense?
2015-05-04T06:41:15 < dongs> whazzat
2015-05-04T06:41:29 < englishman> putting feedvack sensors not at the psu
2015-05-04T06:41:39 < englishman> to account for transmission loss
2015-05-04T06:41:41 < englishman> etc
2015-05-04T06:41:46 < PeterM> remote sense, to sense the voltage remotely so it can regulate voltage at the load
2015-05-04T06:41:49 < englishman> with 9000 pcbs all in a row
2015-05-04T06:41:59 < dongs> englishman: they will be stacked
2015-05-04T06:42:03 < dongs> so not in a row
2015-05-04T06:42:06 < englishman> parallel
2015-05-04T06:42:08 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-04T06:42:10 < englishman> paralol
2015-05-04T06:42:26 < dongs> those +/- shits will hae a copper pole connecting them vertically
2015-05-04T06:42:39 < englishman> massive buttcoining operation
2015-05-04T06:42:43 < dongs> yes
2015-05-04T06:42:43 < PeterM> have you considerd putting PTCs o nthe usb ports, ya know, to prevent the obvious fire hazard
2015-05-04T06:42:50 < dongs> PeterM: not at all
2015-05-04T06:43:16 < dongs> dickstarter people wont care
2015-05-04T06:43:19 < PeterM> im sure you could find chinagirl 6v 2a 0805 PTC for less than 5c ea
2015-05-04T06:43:30 < dongs> the project is already funded, so no problem
2015-05-04T06:43:46 < PeterM> really?
2015-05-04T06:43:51 < englishman> thats why itl be a successful dickstarter proj
2015-05-04T06:43:54 < dongs> pretty sure 2A would be 1206 or so
2015-05-04T06:44:10 < dongs> do oyu think i should add it?
2015-05-04T06:44:29 < englishman> itl just cause problems
2015-05-04T06:44:40 < englishman> as long as the fire isnt where you live, its an acceptable fire
2015-05-04T06:44:48 < dongs> R2COM: < dongs> PeterM: i need to charge 100 phones at once
2015-05-04T06:44:50 < PeterM> i'd add the ptcs yeah, unless you want metled usb cables and shit
2015-05-04T06:45:06 < dongs> me
2015-05-04T06:45:16 < englishman> the people you pay to give you facebook likes
2015-05-04T06:46:03 < englishman> i hope you brought them back
2015-05-04T06:48:29 < PeterM> https://www.kickstarter.com/supercharger-pro lank dasnt wark
2015-05-04T06:48:49 < dongs> doesnt need to
2015-05-04T06:48:50 < dongs> ^
2015-05-04T06:48:52 < dongs> what he said
2015-05-04T06:50:42 < PeterM> R2COM, gonna eat some chips?
2015-05-04T06:51:02 < englishman> minicircuits has the most delicious filters
2015-05-04T06:52:01 < PeterM> i wonder how many 0603 passives you could eat without health issues
2015-05-04T06:52:10 < PeterM> apart from shitting sand
2015-05-04T06:52:29 < englishman> probably a few reels if theyre rohs
2015-05-04T06:52:37 < dongs> PeterM: 0.06$
2015-05-04T06:52:39 < dongs> close enough
2015-05-04T06:53:34 < PeterM> on 100 ports that $6 to the bom...hmm...nah, jsut risk the fire
2015-05-04T06:54:25 < dongs> ya, totally not adding to order.
2015-05-04T06:55:09 < dongs> > quality device
2015-05-04T06:55:11 < dongs> > kickstarter
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2015-05-04T06:56:19 < dongs> these fuckfaces did
2015-05-04T06:56:20 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-meter-charge-your-smartphone-92-faster
2015-05-04T06:56:28 < dongs> they actually finished all deliveries on the month they advertisd
2015-05-04T06:56:39 < dongs> but thats because they were just selling a working product
2015-05-04T06:56:47 < dongs> (at much ripoff prices at that)
2015-05-04T06:56:49 < dongs> sure
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2015-05-04T06:57:53 < dongs> probly using the same TI part
2015-05-04T06:58:17 < PeterM> R2COM, depending on the device they probably jsut pull 2.5a and dotn care
2015-05-04T06:58:31 < PeterM> dongs i dunno, it seems to be able to say what "mode" it is in
2015-05-04T06:58:45 < englishman> maybe they draw 2.5a and sink extra that phone doesnt draw
2015-05-04T06:58:54 < dongs> bunch of boards now have yellow usb plugs
2015-05-04T06:58:58 < dongs> with high current capability
2015-05-04T06:59:00 < PeterM> R2COM, thats spec but ususally mobos only hve one PTC per hub
2015-05-04T06:59:49 < englishman> qi charging sucks balls
2015-05-04T07:00:02 < PeterM> what do you expect from inefficient power transfer? ofcourse its gonna be hot
2015-05-04T07:10:27 < dongs> nah it looks dumb
2015-05-04T07:12:42 < PeterM> dongs will wait for DJI multirotor hovercar
2015-05-04T07:13:24 < englishman> my rascal scooter has instant power too and doesnt cost $140k
2015-05-04T07:15:03 < englishman> this is cheaper than tesla http://i.imgur.com/GP1zmCM.jpg
2015-05-04T07:16:28 < englishman> not with that attitude
2015-05-04T07:16:47 < PeterM> englishman make custom electric gokart
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2015-05-04T07:59:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/sty9O4i.gifv
2015-05-04T08:08:00 < PeterM> genius
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2015-05-04T08:48:48 < upgrdman> awesome... found a bug in a serial port library, it was fixed in 2 days. open source community FTW
2015-05-04T08:56:45 < jpa-> "if it was closed sores, there wouldn't have been a bug in first place!!1"
2015-05-04T08:57:01 < upgrdman> "that's a feature, not a bug."
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2015-05-04T09:11:49 < Devilholk> "Your use case is outside of what we made this for so we wont fix that"
2015-05-04T09:13:58 < PeterM> nah, there would jsut be a tested, certified and approved workaround
2015-05-04T09:14:19 < Devilholk> Really?
2015-05-04T09:14:43 < Devilholk> Maybe I can call the manufacturer of my printer and tell them it doesn't work in linux, you think they will compile something that works for me?
2015-05-04T09:15:31 < Devilholk> I have strong urges to either stab it with a very large knife, set it on fire and/or throw it in the manufacturers front window
2015-05-04T09:15:55 < upgrdman> is this a newish printer?
2015-05-04T09:16:17 < upgrdman> didnt know printers were still made that didnt have at least ps or pcl emulaton support
2015-05-04T09:16:46 < Devilholk> Bought it few years back
2015-05-04T09:17:03 < PeterM> at the same time, printers are like the fax machien of the computer world
2015-05-04T09:17:17 < Devilholk> Never got it to work then, tried it the other day, never got it to work now. Spent 2 hours, found guys spent 6 hours with no success
2015-05-04T09:17:34 < Devilholk> Even tried it in windows 7 running from virtualbox
2015-05-04T09:17:48 < Devilholk> spooler told me it was printing but it wasn't. Lying drivers.
2015-05-04T09:17:50 < upgrdman> PeterM, not really. paper is often needed or helpful. fax's are just dumb in the age of email
2015-05-04T09:18:06 < Devilholk> I wanted to print labels to catalog all my junk
2015-05-04T09:18:13 < Devilholk> Had to do it with ruler and pencil ^^
2015-05-04T09:18:38 < Devilholk> cups at least told me errors occured
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2015-05-04T09:20:08 < PeterM> upgrdman, but the mechanics, reliability and build quality have gotten worse rather than better so you just want to smash em
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2015-05-04T09:21:01 < Devilholk> Smashing is not a good idea unless you remove the toner cartridge first =)
2015-05-04T09:21:25 < upgrdman> PeterM, true to an extent. i've had good luck when spending $150+ on laser printers. but ya, on the cheap end, they're complete trash.
2015-05-04T09:25:53 < PeterM> upgrdman, yeah i've got a pretty neat xerox phaser that does colour and duplexing, was  around $700 US but worth every cent
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2015-05-04T09:26:39 < upgrdman> nice
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2015-05-04T09:31:26 < upgrdman> dat faraday cage   http://i.imgur.com/6tfgl2u.jpg
2015-05-04T09:32:16 < upgrdman> from  http://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyPorn/comments/34b6pl/apollo_lunar_communications_relay_unit_lcru_with/
2015-05-04T09:32:42 < baird> ..and then I crashed the Postie... https://i.imgur.com/Y6RpLET.jpg
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2015-05-04T09:36:31 < PeterM> upgrdman, surely there is a btter way
2015-05-04T09:37:17 < upgrdman> duct tape
2015-05-04T09:37:51 < PeterM> or metalized paint
2015-05-04T09:40:30 < jpa-> that metal foil probably has more to do with space radiation (charged particles) than EMI
2015-05-04T09:41:01 < jpa-> hmm, reddit link says thermal cover
2015-05-04T09:41:24 < jpa-> i wonder where that was installed
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2015-05-04T09:57:01 < upgrdman> nice  https://i.imgur.com/ccgnvjm.gifv
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2015-05-04T12:03:11 < kakimir> stm32 cs:go some time
2015-05-04T12:03:12 < kakimir> ?
2015-05-04T12:04:13 < jpa-> cs does run somewhat ok on stm32 with external ram, but i haven't seen go ports
2015-05-04T12:05:10 < kakimir> :P
2015-05-04T12:05:51 < kakimir> I think you need to multithread it and connect some parraler mcus
2015-05-04T12:10:33 < ReadError> http://brands.aliexpress.com/?spm=2114.11010108.15.2.h0dj4Y
2015-05-04T12:11:04 < ReadError> quad core 2.3ghz atom w/ 4gb ram lol
2015-05-04T12:11:10 < ReadError> cuz every phone needs that
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2015-05-04T12:15:24 < PeterM> CS:GOAWAY
2015-05-04T12:16:16 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_bHUAJXS-I
2015-05-04T12:18:04 < dongs> terrorists win
2015-05-04T12:18:27 < PeterM> flippityfloop
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2015-05-04T12:26:15 < kakimir> I don't understand. When I play cs:go russians yell at me and then kick me
2015-05-04T12:28:38 < kakimir> "I-DI-OOT!! RUSH!! RUSH!! LEFT!! RIGHT!! *russian cursing* kick him!"
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2015-05-04T12:39:17 < kakimir> do you know where to buy copper paint
2015-05-04T12:39:21 < kakimir> spray bottle
2015-05-04T12:39:25 < kakimir> ?
2015-05-04T12:39:29 < kakimir> or is there any
2015-05-04T12:39:47 < kakimir> if I want to paint insides of plastic cases and stuff
2015-05-04T12:43:41 < ReadError> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/protective-coatings/emi-rfi-shielding/super-shield-nickel-841/
2015-05-04T12:43:55 < kakimir> have you used it?
2015-05-04T12:44:27 < kakimir> oh it's nickel
2015-05-04T12:44:39 < kakimir> must be expensives
2015-05-04T12:44:48 < ReadError> its like 35$ a can
2015-05-04T12:45:20 < kakimir> not bad
2015-05-04T12:45:49 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-843-340G-Conductive-Coating/dp/B00SJDYOHK/
2015-05-04T12:47:39 < kakimir> ok that is silver coated copper flake
2015-05-04T12:47:54 < kakimir> and another one is nickel
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2015-05-04T13:06:14 < kakimir> is there real alternative for lt spice when usin lunix
2015-05-04T13:06:40 < jpa-> depends on what you consider real
2015-05-04T13:06:57 < jpa-> qucs works ok for me
2015-05-04T13:07:10 < kakimir> what ever works for you
2015-05-04T13:07:16 < kakimir> works for me too
2015-05-04T13:07:59 < kakimir> looks nice
2015-05-04T13:08:53 < jpa-> finding component models (or parameters) for qucs is somewhat annoying
2015-05-04T13:09:12 < jpa-> though same applies to ltspice if you want something other than linear technology parts
2015-05-04T13:11:50 < kakimir> sounds fun
2015-05-04T13:16:21 < kakimir> jpa-: have pulseview team concidered to make launcher for pulseview?
2015-05-04T13:16:26 < kakimir> in lunix
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2015-05-04T13:19:24 < kakimir> sweet thing in this lunix desktop is you don't need launchers just write name to search field and enter executes
2015-05-04T13:21:07 < kakimir> away>
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2015-05-04T14:14:15 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_Manipulation_Instruction_Sets#Parallel_bit_deposit_and_extract
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2015-05-04T14:28:15 < Getty> Ah, the developer scene has something to talk about today ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvK0UzFNw1Q&feature=youtu.be
2015-05-04T14:32:38 < ReadError> that guy is moving so much you can see his entire body jiggling
2015-05-04T14:36:03 < karlp> cutting his hair was a good idea though
2015-05-04T14:36:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
2015-05-04T14:36:12 < karlp> decent comments though, can't complain there
2015-05-04T14:36:26 < Getty> Laurenceb: HHAHAHAHA good comment
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2015-05-04T14:37:32 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/MyoRyrR.jpg
2015-05-04T14:37:36 < ReadError> best china practice
2015-05-04T14:38:06 < Laurenceb> wtf is that?
2015-05-04T14:38:16 < Laurenceb> thermal fuse?
2015-05-04T14:38:17 < ReadError> silk under the legs
2015-05-04T14:38:21 < ReadError> rather than pads
2015-05-04T14:38:29 < ReadError> guess to route under??
2015-05-04T14:38:44 < Laurenceb> oh lol i see
2015-05-04T14:46:14 < karlp> that's exactly how the discovery boards have silk on the parts
2015-05-04T14:46:15 < Laurenceb> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Steve_Ballmer
2015-05-04T14:47:26 < ReadError> karlp silk where pads should be?
2015-05-04T14:47:54 < qyx_> uhm, does it work?
2015-05-04T14:48:11 < ReadError> qyx_ i guess it works
2015-05-04T14:48:23 < ReadError> they are just using the mask to NC the leg
2015-05-04T14:48:29 < ReadError> and routing shit through
2015-05-04T14:48:35 < ReadError> just never seen before
2015-05-04T14:50:19 < karlp> hang on, what now? I thought you were saying you didn't approve of the silk under the legs instead of the pads, where do you want the silk line to go? between case an pads (under legs), through the pads, or outside pads?
2015-05-04T14:52:14 < ReadError> huh
2015-05-04T14:52:23 < ReadError> im not saying i approve/disprove of anything
2015-05-04T14:52:27 < ReadError> i just never seen this done
2015-05-04T14:53:00 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/bfGBd.jpg
2015-05-04T14:53:22 < karlp> because using mask over the pad sounds like a different discussion altogether :)
2015-05-04T14:53:42 < ReadError> look at pic
2015-05-04T14:53:48 < karlp> hang on, are you pointing out _silk_ being used on just those legs?
2015-05-04T14:54:05 < ReadError> im saying they replaced the pads with silk
2015-05-04T14:54:05 < karlp> I thought you were talking about the line tight aroudn the edge of the ic case
2015-05-04T14:54:09 < ReadError> no
2015-05-04T14:54:14 < karlp> right ok, now I understand :)
2015-05-04T14:54:18 < karlp> thanks for clarifying
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2015-05-04T15:33:00 < englishman> dongs:
2015-05-04T15:33:00 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porhgJ5Znrc
2015-05-04T15:33:03 < englishman> check out those feeders
2015-05-04T15:33:07 < englishman> at 5:00 or so
2015-05-04T15:33:42 < ReadError> he only started the code a few months ago
2015-05-04T15:33:52 < ReadError> sure it might have support for others later
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2015-05-04T15:34:45 < dongs> complete garbagef
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2015-05-04T17:26:09 < mtbg> hi
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2015-05-04T18:08:31 < dongs> getting stoned
2015-05-04T18:08:33 < dongs> sup mtbg
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2015-05-04T19:01:29 < synic> dongs: you're in japan?
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2015-05-04T21:38:07 < Laurenceb> http://carlyfiorina.org/
2015-05-04T21:38:09 < Laurenceb> lolz
2015-05-04T21:39:48 < Steffanx> only funny when you know who Carly Fiorina is.
2015-05-04T21:40:06 < Fleck> +1 Steffanx
2015-05-04T21:40:14 < Steffanx> i thought it was a "funny" way to write carlifornia
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2015-05-04T21:50:01 < englishman> In 2005, Fiorina resigned from HP.[3] Since then she has been described as one of the worst tech CEOs of all time.[4][5][6][7]
2015-05-04T21:50:06 < englishman> hehe
2015-05-04T21:50:16 < englishman> perfect candidate for prez of america
2015-05-04T21:50:30  * [7] slaps englishman
2015-05-04T21:50:42 < englishman> !!
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2015-05-04T21:52:12 < Steffanx> lol [7]
2015-05-04T21:56:38 < Fleck> lol
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2015-05-04T22:04:50 < PaulFertser> гн77777777777777777777777777777??????????"""""4~4~4~4~Ьь
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2015-05-04T22:07:14 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: cat? :)
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2015-05-04T22:18:51 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: indeed. Totally unqualified to comment on stm32 issues apparently.
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2015-05-04T23:27:14 < [7]> hm, "Warn : Cannot identify target as a STM32 family." on f042...
2015-05-04T23:27:34 < [7]> some new device ID that openocd isn't aware of yet?
2015-05-04T23:27:53 < qyx_> mh, f042?
2015-05-04T23:28:00 < [7]> 0x10006445
2015-05-04T23:28:18 < superbia> strange indeed
2015-05-04T23:28:30 < [7]> openocd 0.8.0, might be too old
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2015-05-04T23:28:51 < [7]> or my HW might be bugged, but it did detect the cortex m0 core properly from what it looks like
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2015-05-04T23:33:57 < [7]> anyone aware of an openocd 0.9.0rc1 windows build?
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2015-05-04T23:37:38 < karlp> [7]: what's the contents of 0xE000ED00 ?
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2015-05-04T23:39:13 < karlp> yarh, never mind, it's a missing case
2015-05-04T23:39:32 < karlp> nope, there it is.
2015-05-04T23:39:44 < karlp> should have found it in current code, so yeah, oocd 0.8 is just too old
2015-05-04T23:39:51 < karlp> case 0x445: /* stm32f04x */
2015-05-04T23:43:23 < [7]> yes, 0.9.0rc1 seems to work
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2015-05-05T00:02:34 < [7]> ok, looks like the basic soc init seems to work
2015-05-05T00:02:46 < [7]> let's have have a look at USB...
2015-05-05T00:03:36 < [7]> for some reason the USB peripheral on f0 series doens't seem to be a GPIO AF on those pins
2015-05-05T00:03:51 < [7]> I guess it will grab the pins by itself if I power it up?
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2015-05-05T02:53:55 < englishman> attn innovators http://www.nikolalabs.co
2015-05-05T02:55:28 < [7]> errr... eating away your data signal ;)
2015-05-05T02:55:57 < [7]> seems rather crazy, doubt it will work in any useful way :P
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2015-05-05T05:49:54 < PeterM> yerp
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2015-05-05T06:39:34 < emeb_mac> start innovating
2015-05-05T06:39:34 < upgrdman> no chatz?
2015-05-05T06:39:45 < emeb_mac> stop whining
2015-05-05T06:39:53 < emeb_mac> "be the change"
2015-05-05T06:39:54 < englishman> all our innovation devices are still recharging on free rf signals
2015-05-05T06:41:07 < emeb_mac> I'm in your near field, bogartin' ur wattz
2015-05-05T06:44:06 < englishman> you need a dog
2015-05-05T06:44:11 < englishman> or maybe a hampster
2015-05-05T06:45:21 < PeterM> or a fleshlight
2015-05-05T06:45:40 < PeterM> ... actually, hes probably alreadygot one
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2015-05-05T07:02:42 < PeterM> nope, never met him, probably should be shipped off to siberian prison
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2015-05-05T07:26:29 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/w5a44h6.jpg
2015-05-05T07:26:34 < PeterM> old
2015-05-05T07:26:39 < PeterM> but a nice reminder
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2015-05-05T08:37:55 < freakuency> I have a little problem I'd like to share, but I don't know where to begin but it's simply like this: I've designed a pcb and got it shipped to me, I soldered an stm32f405 on it, managed to get it programmed with SWD and took it home. There I wanted to try continue coding but SWD don't work anymore. Well, gave up and took another PCB since I got copies, did the same again and took it home then it stopped working, but this one is still running th
2015-05-05T08:37:55 < freakuency> e program, lighting 4 LED  up, anyonw familiar with something strange as this?
2015-05-05T08:38:54 < upgrdman> is your code reassinging the SWD pins?
2015-05-05T08:38:59 < upgrdman> may need to connect-under-reset
2015-05-05T08:39:02 < freakuency> no, not at all
2015-05-05T08:39:13 < upgrdman> k
2015-05-05T08:39:23 < freakuency> connect under reset I don't think I've tried
2015-05-05T08:39:37 < upgrdman> well i'd try connect-under-reset with official stlink program. if it wont work, i'd probe pins and look for logic on the swd-clk/io lines
2015-05-05T08:40:05 < upgrdman> and i mean probe the pins, not some test point or whatever. might be a bad solder joint, etc.
2015-05-05T08:40:52 < Devilholk> upgrdman: Does swd work while reset is asserted? Could you just tie it down and run SWD?
2015-05-05T08:40:55 < freakuency> We tried unsolder it an solder it again though, witoout luck
2015-05-05T08:41:05 < upgrdman> no
2015-05-05T08:41:12  * freakuency is rigging the project
2015-05-05T08:41:16 < upgrdman> i dont think swd works while under reset
2015-05-05T08:41:45 < Devilholk> I am not really following connect-under-reset then
2015-05-05T08:41:48 < upgrdman> but if your code reassigns the swd pins, or does something like sleep the mcu, you need to reset the mcu very shortly before attempting to SWD it
2015-05-05T08:42:16 < freakuency> http://i.imgur.com/gBFKhs3.png
2015-05-05T08:42:21 < freakuency> looks like that btw
2015-05-05T08:42:25 < upgrdman> exit reset -> mcu "listens" for swd for a short period of time -> if not swd shit, start running firmware
2015-05-05T08:42:57 < freakuency> hmm, but unfortunately, the program only set up  some LEDs though
2015-05-05T08:43:48 < upgrdman> i had freakuency's exact problem when i had my firmware reuse the SWD pins as GPIOs. "yay i can program them" ... only once ;)
2015-05-05T08:43:48 < freakuency> yeah I don't have anything else on those pins at all :/
2015-05-05T08:44:02 < Devilholk> upgrdman: How did you solve it?
2015-05-05T08:44:09 < upgrdman> connect-under-reset
2015-05-05T08:44:16 < freakuency> hmm
2015-05-05T08:44:35 < upgrdman> and to salt my wounds, at the time openocd's connect-under-reset was broken :) they were nice enough to fix it quick tho
2015-05-05T08:45:10 < Devilholk> freakuency: When I tried to talk to your board I used openocd, perhaps that version suffered that brokenness
2015-05-05T08:45:26 < upgrdman> this bug was fixed ~1.5yr ago
2015-05-05T08:45:31 < Devilholk> Also, is there a special procedure to "connect-under-reset" or does openocd do that when you specify the program command?
2015-05-05T08:45:45 < freakuency> Devilholk, I use 0.8.0
2015-05-05T08:46:10 < upgrdman> Devilholk: i uncomment this line in my openocd config file:
2015-05-05T08:46:11 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/stm32f0-empty-project/blob/master/config_openocd_stm32f0.cfg
2015-05-05T08:46:34 < upgrdman> #reset_config srst_only srst_nogate connect_assert_srst
2015-05-05T08:47:04 < freakuency> hmm so maybe I should try that
2015-05-05T08:47:13 < Devilholk> Interesting
2015-05-05T08:47:24 < jpa-> when connect under reset doesn't work, just hold down the reset button for the first few seconds after you start openocd
2015-05-05T08:48:28 < upgrdman> note to self: don't forgot reset buttons
2015-05-05T08:49:10 < jpa-> freakuency: so, works in place X, doesn't work at home? maybe the problem is with your pc or programmer at home?
2015-05-05T08:49:27 < freakuency> jpa-, no they're the same
2015-05-05T08:49:44 < jpa-> upgrdman: on discovery boards, the reset button on board is connected to the pin header; quite useful
2015-05-05T08:50:10 < upgrdman> nice
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2015-05-05T09:22:25 < freakuency> I just tried with st-flash, didn't wotk, got "unknown chip id!"
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2015-05-05T09:24:27 < PaulFertser> freakuency: if you show -d3 log from openocd, I'll try to help
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2015-05-05T09:27:14 < freakuency> PaulFertser, is -d3 something I put in the command line?
2015-05-05T09:27:46 < akaWolf> freakuency: yes
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2015-05-05T09:30:04 < freakuency> i just don't know how to i use st-flash and it takes  [--debug] [--reset] and so on... :/
2015-05-05T09:30:17 < PaulFertser> freakuency: why use stflash when there's openocd?! Why?!
2015-05-05T09:30:45 < freakuency> PaulFertser, because openocd didnt work, thought I'd give it a try with stflash
2015-05-05T09:31:21 < emeb_mac> if openocd didn't work then ur doin it rong
2015-05-05T09:31:45 < freakuency> emeb_mac, then why did it work 1 time?
2015-05-05T09:32:05 < emeb_mac> mostly rong? :)
2015-05-05T09:32:24 < freakuency> You're spelling it rong
2015-05-05T09:32:27 < freakuency> hehe
2015-05-05T09:32:50  * emeb_mac fails at teh funneh
2015-05-05T09:33:27 < freakuency> PaulFertser, ohh im in a wake/sleep state, saw you wrote in openocd, ofc
2015-05-05T09:35:15 < PaulFertser> freakuency: so, what's your specific issue?
2015-05-05T09:36:08 < freakuency> PaulFertser, i programmed 2 PCB with an stm32f405 succesfully, but after I brought them home I can't use SWD nomore with openocd, same computer same stlink
2015-05-05T09:36:18 < freakuency> i got the report, let me paste and link
2015-05-05T09:38:21 < freakuency> PaulFertser, paste.debian.net/171499/
2015-05-05T09:40:23 < PaulFertser> freakuency: try adding "reset_config srst_nogate connect_assert_srst"
2015-05-05T09:41:21 < freakuency> PaulFertser, that's the line upgrdman uncommented in his file
2015-05-05T09:41:40 < PaulFertser> freakuency: but that's not present in your log
2015-05-05T09:41:40 < freakuency> I was just looking for that file whenn i stopped for trying stlink instead
2015-05-05T09:41:53 < freakuency> ok, I'll try and find that file again
2015-05-05T09:41:57 < PaulFertser> freakuency: you do not need any file, just add that to your -c
2015-05-05T09:42:02 < freakuency> aha
2015-05-05T09:42:05 < freakuency> ok
2015-05-05T09:42:23 < PaulFertser> freakuency: and "srst_only" too
2015-05-05T09:42:40 < PaulFertser> freakuency: and of course you should have hardware reset signal connected between your adapter and target board.
2015-05-05T09:43:48 < PaulFertser> freakuency: openocd -f interface/stlink-v2.cfg -f target/stm32f4x_stlink.cfg -d 3 -c "init; reset; exit" turns to openocd -f interface/stlink-v2.cfg -f target/stm32f4x_stlink.cfg -d 3 -c "reset_config srst_only srst_nogate connect_assert_srst; init; reset; exit"
2015-05-05T09:47:45 < freakuency> PaulFertser, hmm no, but i got this log paste.debian.net/171500/
2015-05-05T09:48:17 < freakuency> dammit, forget that one
2015-05-05T09:48:24 < freakuency> ill be back, im making coffe xD
2015-05-05T09:50:42 < akaWolf> freakuency: can you paste links with http? :)
2015-05-05T09:51:14 < freakuency> PaulFertser, http://paste.debian.net/171501/
2015-05-05T09:51:21 < freakuency> akaWolf, hehe sure, sry
2015-05-05T09:51:56 < PaulFertser> freakuency: are you sure you've hardware reset connected?
2015-05-05T09:52:00 < PaulFertser> freakuency: is that a custom board?
2015-05-05T09:54:23 < freakuency> PaulFertser, you mean if i have NRST wired to the stlink? If so yes
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2015-05-05T09:54:33 < freakuency> and yeah, it's my own http://freakuenzy.imgur.com/all/
2015-05-05T09:54:41 < freakuency> looks like that in the stm area
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2015-05-05T09:55:29 < freakuency> it's the first time I ever put an stm on a board, with atmel there has been no challenge
2015-05-05T09:56:02 < PaulFertser> freakuency: does you target firmware remap GPIOs used for SWD or enables some sleep mode etc?
2015-05-05T09:56:50 < freakuency> nope, i dont use any sleep at all, and nope it doesnt remap either
2015-05-05T09:57:00 < freakuency> there's nothing else on those pins :/
2015-05-05T09:57:57 < PaulFertser> freakuency: because usually when stlink says it can't connect to the target it means either the target is not properly powered or it's sleeping or it's disconnected for real.
2015-05-05T09:58:31 < PaulFertser> freakuency: and if it can't do that even with srst pulled low, that means your firmware is not to blame (because it can't affect anything)
2015-05-05T10:02:59 < freakuency> PaulFertser, hmm i noticed something interesting, that SWDIO is high 3.3V
2015-05-05T10:03:15 < freakuency> i don't know if that's normal, but it feels it isnt
2015-05-05T10:03:25 < PaulFertser> freakuency: it's normal in idle state.
2015-05-05T10:03:31 < freakuency> damn it =D
2015-05-05T10:03:36 < freakuency> well ok
2015-05-05T10:03:57 < jpa-> freakuency: if you have a reset button, try holding it down while connecting to see if you atleast get a different error message
2015-05-05T10:04:04 < PaulFertser> freakuency: can you try checking if you see a pulse on srst line? And if your target board has srst connected to reset and not jtrst?
2015-05-05T10:07:39 < freakuency> jpa-, same if reset is down, also same if it wasnt even connected at all, 'transport' and 'init'
2015-05-05T10:07:51 < freakuency> PaulFertser, I only know about 1 reset :/
2015-05-05T10:08:08 < freakuency> I could, if I just learned how to trigger with my oscilloscope
2015-05-05T10:09:11 < PaulFertser> freakuency: stm32f4 has a full jtag interface and there's another reset line called TRST there. They shouldn't be confused.
2015-05-05T10:11:42 < freakuency> PaulFertser, I use pin 7, njtrst seems to be pin 56
2015-05-05T10:12:22 < jpa-> freakuency: hmm, and you said your previous code is running ok on the chip?
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2015-05-05T10:12:29 < PaulFertser> freakuency: so that's at least not the issue then
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2015-05-05T10:12:54 < jpa-> i would verify the soldering on the SWD lines then
2015-05-05T10:13:04 < PaulFertser> Yep
2015-05-05T10:13:11 < jpa-> beep through with multimeter from the programmer all the way to the chip
2015-05-05T10:13:13 < PaulFertser> And all the Vcc and gnd lines too.
2015-05-05T10:13:33 < PaulFertser> Better probe right on the chip pins, yes.
2015-05-05T10:13:57 < jpa-> if code is running, it is unlikely to be Vdd, decoupling or boot0 issue
2015-05-05T10:14:23 < jpa-> i once had boot0 badly soldered and floating, really fun effects when it sometimes boots ok and sometimes not
2015-05-05T10:14:39 < freakuency> hmm, but seems strange 2 brakes just on my way home :/
2015-05-05T10:14:49 < freakuency> will check connectivity again
2015-05-05T10:15:07 < Devilholk> freakuency: But you only did program each board once, right?
2015-05-05T10:16:06 < freakuency> Devilholk, yep, but the second I programmed the same program 3 times in a row to check and it worked
2015-05-05T10:16:23 < Devilholk> The plot thickens..
2015-05-05T10:16:24 < freakuency> then I thought the first one just broke and I had bad luck
2015-05-05T10:16:42 < Devilholk> You do seem to have lots of bad luck with your ebay purchases as well
2015-05-05T10:16:44 < freakuency> hehe
2015-05-05T10:17:11 < freakuency> haha indeed, gave me a pink stlinkve, not brown as promised >:/
2015-05-05T10:17:45 < jpa-> freakuency: is there anything different between the two places? power supply or cables or something?
2015-05-05T10:18:22 < freakuency> nope, and I use and cp2102 for power
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2015-05-05T10:18:41 < freakuency> that cheap serial-bridge
2015-05-05T10:18:52 < jpa-> hmm.. that might be quite at limit for STM32F4
2015-05-05T10:19:26 < Devilholk> I tried to power a wifi module from cp2102, it would reenumerate and crash the wifimodule because of current rush
2015-05-05T10:20:09 < jpa-> Devilholk: everyone goes around doing that, you are the fourth person i hear learning that :)
2015-05-05T10:20:24 < Devilholk> I knew it could happen, just had to try it =)
2015-05-05T10:20:30 < freakuency> lol
2015-05-05T10:20:33 < Devilholk> But using external power supply itit worked nicely
2015-05-05T10:20:38 < freakuency> never try never know!
2015-05-05T10:20:43 < Devilholk> But first time you program the stm32 you don't need to erase the chip
2015-05-05T10:20:48 < Devilholk> Maybe erasing the chip requires more current
2015-05-05T10:21:00 < freakuency> hmm
2015-05-05T10:21:17 < Devilholk> though one would think it would be able to get the ID from the chip anyway..
2015-05-05T10:22:13 < jpa-> though programming three times should still work the same, the tools just erase anyway
2015-05-05T10:22:27 < jpa-> and also that
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2015-05-05T10:23:01 < elektrinis> hi
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2015-05-05T10:23:55 < elektrinis> short question about CRC... Is it possible to calculate new CRC without knowing all data, only new fragment of data and old data fragment, that is overwritten?
2015-05-05T10:24:32 < elektrinis> I need a quick way to update CRC without reading all memory each time
2015-05-05T10:24:36 < freakuency> connectivity confirmed
2015-05-05T10:25:15 < scummos> are you asking whether you can calculate a checksum without looking at every bit of the data you want the checksum of? you cannot, that would throw the basic idea of a checksum overboard
2015-05-05T10:25:58 < elektrinis> what I have: big chunk of data and CRC of that data. I also have one byte of new data, that replaces one old byte
2015-05-05T10:26:06 < jpa-> elektrinis: you can update crc incrementally, yes
2015-05-05T10:26:21 < jpa-> but only from the end, i.e. adding more data
2015-05-05T10:26:24 < elektrinis> thats the keyword, thanks
2015-05-05T10:26:32 < Roklobsta> i think you just need to keep a record of the state
2015-05-05T10:26:34 < elektrinis> hm, but I can not remove?
2015-05-05T10:26:43 < Roklobsta> you can't do a running crc
2015-05-05T10:26:45 < jpa-> if you replace a part in the middle i don't think there is any simple way to update it
2015-05-05T10:26:50 < Roklobsta> or sliding window crc
2015-05-05T10:27:08 < jpa-> some other kind of checksum will work for that, rsync uses something for sliding window
2015-05-05T10:27:12 < Roklobsta> you can do a sliding window checksum
2015-05-05T10:27:23 < jpa-> and simple XOR or SUM checksums are easy to update
2015-05-05T10:27:34 < elektrinis> hmm, sounds interesting
2015-05-05T10:27:48 < Roklobsta> elektrinis: everything you can think of asking has been done, just google it.
2015-05-05T10:28:05 < elektrinis> yes, I just needed some keywords. thanks
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2015-05-05T10:30:22 < elektrinis> talking about SUM checkum (for logs in EEPROM), how is normal CRC better?
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2015-05-05T10:32:23 < jpa-> it detects errors more reliably
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2015-05-05T10:32:37 < jpa-> for any checksum, there is always a chance that the data is corrupted but checksum matches
2015-05-05T10:33:10 < jpa-> for XOR or SUM, even just swapping two bytes around gives the same checksum
2015-05-05T10:33:52 < jpa-> but on the other hand, for eeprom writing the typical failure mode would be partially written data, which would be quite easy to detect with any checksum
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2015-05-05T10:43:10 < freakuency> CRC is something i want to try, I never used it, I'll check into stm:s peripheral this week
2015-05-05T10:44:26 < Roklobsta> here is rolling crc on a plate with some garnish on the side.  and hot chips.  https://gist.github.com/noct/5260518
2015-05-05T10:44:40 < Roklobsta> like i said, everything has been done already
2015-05-05T10:45:17 < freakuency> fast crc, is it some smart solution making it faster Roklobsta
2015-05-05T10:45:50 < Roklobsta> fast just means some steps have been rolled up.  or unrolled.
2015-05-05T10:47:22 < freakuency> alright, I think I'll start at wikipedia then right into st:s library
2015-05-05T10:47:24 < jpa-> usually it means a lookup table for nibble/byte/word sized blocks
2015-05-05T10:47:47 < jpa-> pycrc is nice, also the CRC peripheral but the CRC peripheral can only do one specific kind of CRC
2015-05-05T10:48:33 < freakuency> i bet I'll use pycrc in the other end now that you mentioned it
2015-05-05T10:51:56 < Laurenceb> yeah stm32 CRC is useless
2015-05-05T10:52:31 < jpa-> the IDR register is great, though
2015-05-05T10:54:53 < freakuency> upgrdman, PaulFertser, jpa- , thanks for the help, I'll have to look into it more, I'll recieve version2 of my board within 2 weeks, we'll see how that goes but thanks for all the input anyway even if I, or we, didn't solve it this time :/
2015-05-05T10:55:21 < jpa-> freakuency: if you have boot0 and usart accessible, you can try programming through that
2015-05-05T10:56:03 < freakuency> jpa-, haha, there's a bootloader too xD, doens't work
2015-05-05T10:56:14 < freakuency> therefore I was glad when SWD worked
2015-05-05T10:56:21 < freakuency> i put both there
2015-05-05T10:57:09 < jpa-> humm
2015-05-05T10:57:29 < jpa-> the fact that boot0 bootloader does not work might point to some larger problem in your circuit
2015-05-05T10:57:36 < freakuency> don't remember what it said then, maybe Devilholk remembers?
2015-05-05T10:57:46 < freakuency> boot0 was the first that was tried
2015-05-05T10:58:21 < Devilholk> I don't think I have used stm32flash with that MCU so I couldn't rule out that the version used just didn't support that MCU
2015-05-05T10:58:25 < freakuency> jpa-, but it was so simple though, nothing else connected to the pins, only MCU mounted on the PCB
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2015-05-05T11:00:30 < jpa-> freakuency: do you have the decoupling caps for the internal regulator in place? all vdds and gnds connected? boot0 and boot1 with pull-up/pull-down as appropriate?
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2015-05-05T11:01:27 < freakuency> jpa-, yes, and I can measure VCAP to around 1.20V which is right according to datasheet
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2015-05-05T11:01:48 < freakuency> boot0 and 1 both have pulldowns
2015-05-05T11:02:16 < freakuency> new version I'm about to order, after I've trying some motrodrivers todau is this one: http://i.imgur.com/gBFKhs3.png
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2015-05-05T12:10:48 < kakimir> if world affairs were handled in cs:go..
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2015-05-05T12:11:39 < _Sync_> the better cheat would win
2015-05-05T12:11:56 < kakimir> ruling elite of 12 year old russian boys all fucking everybodi right into pussy
2015-05-05T12:13:42 < kakimir> their families would buy them personal nuclear wars
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2015-05-05T12:36:24 < PeterM> _Sync_, nah, but gaben would be rich from people paying himj to remove their vac ban
2015-05-05T12:38:18 < _Sync_> lel
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2015-05-05T12:56:03 < kakimir> their parents money
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2015-05-05T13:08:02 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/flex-cam-pic-bringing-flexibility-into-your-life lol
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2015-05-05T13:13:46 < akaWolf0> dongs: when we will see your project, dongie? :)
2015-05-05T13:14:00 < dongs> im way too lazy
2015-05-05T13:17:04 < Laurenceb__> http://lolpic.se/pics/6919.jpg
2015-05-05T13:17:25 < Laurenceb__> looks like a dongs project
2015-05-05T13:18:29 < akaWolf0> how the black face can give a money?
2015-05-05T13:18:41 < Laurenceb__> http://memepics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/troll-physics-magnet-car-300x191.png
2015-05-05T13:18:44 < Laurenceb__> dongsmobile
2015-05-05T13:19:52 < akaWolf0> xD
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2015-05-05T13:27:13 < karlp> so, do I want to bother hooking up sigrok to this riglol?
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2015-05-05T13:39:20 < _Sync_> wat the actual fuck dongs
2015-05-05T13:44:08 < dongs> _Sync_: im guessing something from aliexpress
2015-05-05T13:45:34 < ReadError> dongs http://www.miniquadbros.com/
2015-05-05T13:45:45 < ReadError> you sell them legit distro boards and they sell fake naze?
2015-05-05T13:45:58 < dongs> clonez
2015-05-05T13:46:00 < dongs> super obvious
2015-05-05T13:46:21 < dongs> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0655/6655/products/P1010865_4ad7409d-b6d0-434a-b487-e3b44b6ee60f.jpg?v=1427345035 soldering on missing parts and no logo
2015-05-05T13:46:29 < ReadError> 36x36 Abusemark PDB for mini quadcopters
2015-05-05T13:46:44 < Laurenceb__> lol quad bros?!
2015-05-05T13:46:54 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ its only 1 guy lol
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2015-05-05T14:04:07 < akaWolf0> PeterM: lol, do you got own ban already? :)
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2015-05-05T14:06:14 < akaWolf0> PeterM: I'm pretty sure, there is a some of cheats, that are not detecting by vac..
2015-05-05T14:07:17 < _Sync_> akaWolf0: yes, all that are actually worth their shit
2015-05-05T14:07:23 < _Sync_> because they inject themself into ring0
2015-05-05T14:07:28 < _Sync_> and trololo
2015-05-05T14:07:42 < dongs> ReadError: yea hes buying pdbs
2015-05-05T14:08:07 < dongs> and cloning acros ;p
2015-05-05T14:08:10 < ReadError> lol
2015-05-05T14:08:16 < ReadError> ya just thought that shit was funny
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2015-05-05T14:10:02 < akaWolf0> _Sync_: looks like there are many people have experiense with CS and cheats :)
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2015-05-05T14:13:58 < _Sync_> akaWolf0: well, there is money to be made
2015-05-05T14:14:22 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/SrQlgKI.jpg for dongs
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2015-05-05T14:36:03 < PeterM> ReadError, that looks like your typical skyrim players desk
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2015-05-05T14:37:31 < akaWolf0> PeterM: there is also knife
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2015-05-05T16:33:18 < ReadError> what are the tubes for??
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2015-05-05T16:35:41 < Getty> So someone already played with this? http://ponylang.org/
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2015-05-05T17:00:32 < Taxman> has anyone used a COT regulator for 3.3V buck?
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2015-05-05T17:15:22 < PeterM> taxman huh?
2015-05-05T17:15:29 < PeterM> like a module or something?
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2015-05-05T18:08:24 < Taxman> PeterM: Constant On Time, a regulator principle e.g. used in the MP2161
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2015-05-05T18:16:27 < PeterM> oh, i thought you meant COTS (commercial, of the shelf) - yes, i've used constant on time regulators, that specific chip you linked though offers no real customizeability though, so from your prespective it should be just like any other buck regulator
2015-05-05T18:19:09 < Taxman> i use currently a SC189
2015-05-05T18:19:23 < Taxman> it is not bad, but the voltage mode technology is sloooooow
2015-05-05T18:19:55 < Taxman> when i insert a microSD card, there is a voltage drop of 170mV for around 4 microseconds
2015-05-05T18:20:28 < Taxman> it is acceptable but i wonder how the MP2161 would behave
2015-05-05T18:22:16 < PeterM> Taxman, that is unexpectedly bad - did you oversize the inductor or something?
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2015-05-05T18:23:50 < Taxman> 1,5µH inductor and 10µF output capacitance
2015-05-05T18:24:17 < gxti> SC189 is cheap but i really hate foldback current limiting
2015-05-05T18:24:53 < gxti> if you briefly overload it, even just from inrush when something is connected, it goes into foldback mode and won't leave until the load is removed completely
2015-05-05T18:25:54 < Taxman> or the load cap is charged
2015-05-05T18:26:26 < PeterM> Taxman that's pretty close to optimal, that is surprising
2015-05-05T18:26:36 < gxti> no, the base load exceeded the threshold to leave foldback so it got stuck
2015-05-05T18:26:49 < gxti> in my case.
2015-05-05T18:27:34 < gxti> not sure how it happened exactly... i could have added a voltage supervisor to hold all the big stuff in reset whenever it was flipping out, but i ended up just switching to something else
2015-05-05T18:28:41 < PeterM> gxti, i think a slightly bigger inductor to reduct inductor ripple current may have helped but as taxman showed, ikt slows transient response a buttload
2015-05-05T18:29:07 < PeterM> swithcing to a different reg is probably easier 9 times out of 10 than debugging what you've got
2015-05-05T18:29:15 < PeterM> so i dont blame you at all
2015-05-05T18:29:19 < gxti> i just don't like the idea of a current-limited mode that requires current drop way low in order to resume
2015-05-05T18:30:01 < PeterM> yeah fb rising hystersis
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2015-05-05T18:30:46 < PeterM> needs the FB pin to rise in a certain amount of cycles otherwise will remain in folbdback
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2015-05-05T18:31:05 < Taxman> hehe
2015-05-05T18:31:19 < Taxman> well what do you recommend for 1A 5V -> 3.3V?
2015-05-05T18:31:22 < PeterM> which doesn't help if you're in foldback because it can't fucking put power throug hto the load to lift the FB vltage
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2015-05-05T18:35:30 < gxti> holding current for 5->3.3v is 50mA, vs limit of 2A, totally silly
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2015-05-05T18:37:01 < gxti> anyway the only other nice part i found is some tiny CSBGA that is a pain in the dick to solder
2015-05-05T18:38:24 < PeterM> gxti the cool thing about the tiny csbga regulaors though is even thoug  they're like 0.4mm pitch you can still do the mon standard pcb service because yuou don't need to breakthem out
2015-05-05T18:38:41 < gxti> yeah, not so hard to breakout. but still a pain in the dick to solder.
2015-05-05T18:39:13 < gxti> maybe just needed to adjust the footprint but i was getting like 50% yield on toaster oven reflow
2015-05-05T18:39:35 < PeterM> did you do with paste or without?
2015-05-05T18:39:49 < gxti> no paste, just a dab of paste flux
2015-05-05T18:40:01 < Taxman> pitch?
2015-05-05T18:40:17 < gxti> not so accurate but there was no way i could get stencil apertures that small to work reliably
2015-05-05T18:40:24 < gxti> Taxman: 0.4mm
2015-05-05T18:40:46 < Taxman> hardcore
2015-05-05T18:40:58 < PeterM> yeah, i did my isl91110s with no paste, jsut flux and they weren't too bad, i think i wassomethign like 8/10
2015-05-05T18:41:04 < gxti> the chip is only 1.2x0.8mm
2015-05-05T18:41:15 < gxti> 3x2 grid, no encapsulation
2015-05-05T18:41:58 < gxti> bbl lunchtime
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2015-05-05T18:43:39 < Taxman> gxti: Just checked sc189 datasheet. fb current limit mode is entered only after 32 consecutive cycles so it will not apply here
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2015-05-05T18:45:54 < Taxman> maybe i should enlarge the output cap to 22µ
2015-05-05T18:48:05 < PeterM> taxman my rough calcs said 1.1uH and 16uF
2015-05-05T18:48:20 < Taxman> 16 real µF?
2015-05-05T18:48:37 < PeterM> yeah
2015-05-05T18:48:39 < PeterM> real
2015-05-05T18:48:42 < Taxman> from 16µ X7R is not a lot of remaining at 5V
2015-05-05T18:48:55 < PeterM> and all of them henries are real too
2015-05-05T18:49:15 < PeterM> none of these henries at 0 current
2015-05-05T18:50:36 < Taxman> hehe
2015-05-05T18:50:43 < Taxman> yeah
2015-05-05T18:51:23 < PeterM> i think a 22uF 1210 X7R wouldld be pretty close to 16uF at 5v, 1206 would be a bit less though
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2015-05-05T18:55:30 < Taxman> X7R 1206 10V is available
2015-05-05T18:55:48 < PeterM> 1210 you need the ceramic cubez
2015-05-05T18:56:20 < PeterM> the bigger the cube the lower the capacitance loss wiht dc bias
2015-05-05T19:00:08 < Taxman> yeah
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2015-05-05T19:35:17 < Laurenceb__> Taxman: you need EEStor
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2015-05-05T20:22:00 < Laurenceb__> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/?s=548304619006
2015-05-05T20:26:10 < karlp> dude, do we need another one every couple of days?
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2015-05-05T20:47:43 < Laurenceb__> http://www.heartlight.co.uk/
2015-05-05T20:47:50 < Laurenceb__> now that is a startup website
2015-05-05T20:49:34 < Laurenceb__> wtf is going on
2015-05-05T20:49:47 < Laurenceb__> I just got emailed by a company called heartlight ltd
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2015-05-05T21:36:24 < kakimir> 21:36 PM
2015-05-05T21:36:47 < kakimir> bed time dongs
2015-05-05T21:37:01 < superbia> kek
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2015-05-05T22:05:38 < varesa> can any altium pro guess why this is happening? http://i.imgur.com/lWbtLHV.png
2015-05-05T22:06:12 < varesa> A single component fails to get added to the PCB without an error message
2015-05-05T22:11:20 < varesa> oh, apparently it doesn't like '|' in the footprint name, ("MPU6500|9250")
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2015-05-05T22:43:56 < ambro718> Can I use the OTP memory as generic read/write storage for application configuration?
2015-05-05T22:45:32 < qyx_> otp memory?
2015-05-05T22:45:48 < qyx_> isn't otp meant to be "one time programmable"?
2015-05-05T22:47:04 < ambro718> so then there is nothing built-in that I can use for configuration storage? Assuming the device has only one bank of flash.
2015-05-05T22:47:23 < qyx_> eeprom, backup registers, backup sram
2015-05-05T22:47:50 < qyx_> it depends on the chip/family
2015-05-05T22:47:58 < ambro718> F407 and/or F429
2015-05-05T22:48:16 < qyx_> also.. flash sectors can be erased independently
2015-05-05T22:48:36 < ambro718> the former has only one flash, which means I can't program it while running code from flash, I think
2015-05-05T22:48:41 < ambro718> *one bank
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2015-05-05T23:21:18 < ambro718> Any attempt to read the Flash memory on STM32F4xx while it is being written or erased, causes the bus to stall. Read operations are processed correctly once the program operation has completed. This means that code or data fetches cannot be performed while a write/erase operation is ongoing.
2015-05-05T23:21:53 < ambro718> so I can't program the flash while code is running from flash
2015-05-05T23:26:30 < ambro718> ah I missed that part, "Read operations are processed correctly once the program operation has completed"
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2015-05-06T00:48:10 < Getty> lol, the ezcast is so much a chromecast copy, that they even were to lazy to replace the logo on the device
2015-05-06T00:48:17 < Getty> thats.... impressive ;)
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2015-05-06T05:24:18 < karlp> zyp: can you have a look at https://github.com/karlp/laks/tree/l1_support some time?  I've got a little blink demo based on your l0 demo working,
2015-05-06T05:24:37 < karlp> only issue is that syscfg.h is in both rcc/ and in syscfg/ for f4 vs l0...
2015-05-06T05:25:21 < karlp> I've got the best makefile ever now too: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/218842/87910714/
2015-05-06T05:25:34 < karlp> (because I can type make in vim/gdb, but not scons)
2015-05-06T05:27:06 < dongs> scons..........
2015-05-06T05:29:31 < dongs> bout to shutdown one of raidshits and see if it'll read drives from older 3waer card
2015-05-06T05:29:40 < dongs> or rather, older card reading metadata from newer drives
2015-05-06T05:38:42 < karlp> zyp: I'm not entirely sure Time::sleep(1000) is doing the right timing though...
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2015-05-06T05:47:42 < karlp> zyp: how are interrupts meant to be declared for other targets? you seem to only have a single interrrupt.h file?
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2015-05-06T05:55:36 < karlp> zyp: oh, one mor ething before bed, here's the sample blink (with pll) for l1 disco: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/218846/30880899/
2015-05-06T06:04:53 < dongs> itr worked
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2015-05-06T06:46:27 < upgrdman> i worry about doing this when i go bowling  http://imgur.com/gallery/v7d1p4p
2015-05-06T06:51:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.imgur.com/sltMspW.gifv
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2015-05-06T07:26:09 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121239108728 wow 50megapixelz for <$5
2015-05-06T07:26:12 < dongs> must alert zano
2015-05-06T07:27:38 < dongs> furiosuly baking
2015-05-06T07:28:33 < GargantuaSauce> Maximum static pixel: 50.0M pixels (2560x1920, 2848x2800, 3648x2736, 4000x3000, 6000x8000) the pixel need to install software CD.
2015-05-06T07:29:10 < dongs> yes
2015-05-06T07:37:45 < akaWolf> dongs: 5.0 Mp
2015-05-06T07:41:31 < PeterM> R2COM, go to bed, give your face a laptop tan (fall asleep with laptop screen in your face)
2015-05-06T07:43:14 < PeterM> go outsie and shoot some stuff
2015-05-06T07:43:20 < PeterM> outside
2015-05-06T07:44:55 < PeterM> damn, around here ammunition is too expensive to shoot for fun
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2015-05-06T07:58:38 < dongs> not much
2015-05-06T07:58:40 < dongs> assburgering
2015-05-06T08:03:30 < dongs> https://www.dropbox.com/s/py3w88n1h2a5iqs/Spending_Timeline-01.png?dl=0
2015-05-06T08:03:31 < dongs> hehe
2015-05-06T08:03:35 < dongs> dickstarter is awesome
2015-05-06T08:04:16 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch/posts/1221663
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2015-05-06T08:08:25 < jpa-> i wonder why the manufacturer would want such a contract
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2015-05-06T08:17:33 < dongs> saying e-dick delivered 20% falulty screens sounds pretty shitty for that manufacturer
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2015-05-06T10:33:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zbEijQ2.jpg got this by fax
2015-05-06T10:37:56 < Roklobsta> wow that's novel
2015-05-06T10:38:18 < Roklobsta> usually all the old people i know around here i tell them to tell the "windows" guy to fuck off and hang up.
2015-05-06T10:38:51 < jpa-> that's at most a short story, not a novel
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2015-05-06T11:15:28 < Roklobsta> actually it's quite helpful.  they aren't asking for anything
2015-05-06T11:15:49 < Roklobsta> though it's 2015, who the hell uses fax?
2015-05-06T11:18:14 < akaWolf> oldfags
2015-05-06T11:28:55 < Viper168> the japanese
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2015-05-06T12:04:18 < jpa-> http://hextechsecurity.com/?p=123   lunix security
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2015-05-06T12:09:57 < akaWolf> jpa-: well it's not a "lunix security", it's just about level of developers of such device.
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2015-05-06T12:10:57 < jpa-> i know, just trolling
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2015-05-06T12:11:04 < jpa-> this is ##stm32 anyway
2015-05-06T12:11:41 < akaWolf> ok :)
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2015-05-06T12:25:32 < zyp> karlp, interesting
2015-05-06T12:25:44 < zyp> I just have a scons alias in gdb for building
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2015-05-06T12:28:21 < karlp> zyp: ah, vim can highlight line numbers, I didn't get around ti pulling it into netbeans
2015-05-06T12:28:46 < zyp> karlp, so far I haven't cared about interrupts for other targets
2015-05-06T12:29:18 < karlp> I see that things like os/* are all compiled in by default, is it not planned or so far just not needed to have just the periph code, without any os stuff?
2015-05-06T12:29:36 < karlp> I was sort of looking at this to use as a periph layer with freertos
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2015-05-06T12:29:54 < karlp> or at least, that was my first plan last night, before I found that there wasn't l1 support yet :)
2015-05-06T12:30:05 < karlp> how did you get all your usb stuff on l0 without interrupts there?
2015-05-06T12:30:22 < zyp> I'm not using interrupts for usb
2015-05-06T12:30:45 < zyp> you just poll usb.process() periodically
2015-05-06T12:31:16 < karlp> time::sleep was definitely not sleeping for 1 second either :|
2015-05-06T12:31:36 < karlp> systick and clock registers were the same as on my "reference" but blink rate was ~4-5 times too fast
2015-05-06T12:32:25 < zyp> well, did you set STK.LOAD right? :p
2015-05-06T12:33:11 < zyp> also STK.CTRL
2015-05-06T12:33:19 < karlp> yup
2015-05-06T12:33:33 < karlp> matched them on reflashing another device
2015-05-06T12:33:44 < karlp> and with that wrong it should have been way off,
2015-05-06T12:33:48 < zyp> there's a bit in STK.CTRL that selects between sysclk and a vendor-defined external input, which on f-series is sysclk/8
2015-05-06T12:34:07 < karlp> yeah, same on l1, and I set that for /8, as I had on my other code
2015-05-06T12:34:27 < karlp> I don't believe it's 8 times as fast, but I guess it could be,
2015-05-06T12:35:01 < karlp> are you doing polled i21c and spi and usarts too? or have you only needed that on the platform you have interrupts for now?
2015-05-06T12:35:28 < zyp> hmm
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2015-05-06T12:36:51 < zyp> actually, I think the irq numbers just have happened to match f1 for the irq's I've used on f4 and f3
2015-05-06T12:38:22 < zyp> the goal will probably be to have a separate header for each target family, with an enum of IRQ names
2015-05-06T12:38:51 < zyp> and then I've been thinking about doing some template magic to build the vector table without explicit listing of names
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2015-05-06T12:39:49 < zyp> after all, the symbols doesn't contain the name as it is now, IRQ handler symbols are encoded like void interrupt<(Interrupt::IRQ_t)0> and so on
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2015-05-06T12:41:39 < zyp> so I imagine I can write a template function that can generate those
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2015-05-06T12:44:05 < zyp> hmm, but I'm not sure I can generate the default weak symbols
2015-05-06T12:44:21 < zyp> maybe I'll just resort to code generation
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2015-05-06T12:53:25 < zyp> or maybe a macro trick
2015-05-06T12:53:26 < jpa-> x-macros! :)
2015-05-06T12:54:05 < zyp> hmm, actually, the number of default weak symbols generated doesn't matter, they all just alias to the default handler
2015-05-06T12:54:32 < zyp> and doesn't consume any target resources
2015-05-06T12:59:22 < karlp> would be nice to see :)  I was looking at this to maybe teach myself a bit more c++, but I don't think I can contirbute anything meaningful on that portion :)
2015-05-06T12:59:35 < karlp> copying exsting stuff for the periphs isn't to difficult though :)
2015-05-06T13:01:17 < zyp> I'm not sure how easy it would be to make it an independent peripheral layer though
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2015-05-06T13:01:34 < zyp> at some point that means I'd have to make a wrapper layer around the OS core, to allow it to be replaced
2015-05-06T13:02:04 < zyp> for drivers that depend on stuff like Time::sleep() and Thread::yield()
2015-05-06T13:04:11 < zyp> regarding interrupts and usb, I've been thinking about having the driver run in it's own thread, and build a mechanism that'll let the interrupt handler wake up the thread when there's something to do
2015-05-06T13:04:20 < jpa-> could also just be a build-system switch that allows custom time.h and thread.h
2015-05-06T13:04:57 < zyp> true
2015-05-06T13:05:42 < karlp> there's also things like the built in svc and systick handlers, not just some headers
2015-05-06T13:06:06 < zyp> I've also been thinking about making the scheduler optional, for small projects that don't need it
2015-05-06T13:07:11 < zyp> but I'm not sure there are significant savings compared to just having the scheduler and a single thread
2015-05-06T13:07:47 < zyp> and when I finish up the proper scheduling sleep/wakeup stuff, it's even going to be useful with a single thread
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2015-05-06T13:16:45 < karlp> unless you've already got one. though, not wedded to freertos at all, I actually just didn't know you had more os stuff available :)
2015-05-06T13:17:55 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/log/?h=scheduler_improvements <- there's some fun stuff here
2015-05-06T13:18:03 < zyp> that I haven't fount time to do anything with yet
2015-05-06T13:18:44 < zyp> I wrote it to pass time on a couple of long flights, and it's therefore only been tested in qemu :p
2015-05-06T13:19:15 < zyp> haven't done a project that calls for sleep support yet, so the code has just been sitting in the repo unused since
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2015-05-06T17:18:57 < dongs> http://www.vulnerability-lab.com/get_content.php?id=1418
2015-05-06T17:23:28 < Getty> vulnerability-lab running with php... oh the irony
2015-05-06T17:25:11 < Getty> its really sad how bad the applications are made which are used by million people
2015-05-06T17:26:42 < karlp> whatever perl boy ;)
2015-05-06T17:27:55 < ReadError> ironic part is everyone using the app is looking to backdoor someone
2015-05-06T17:28:02 < aandrew> LOL!
2015-05-06T17:28:38 < Getty> karlp: every language is more right as PHP, i dont care which other one
2015-05-06T17:28:39 < karlp> not true, some want to be backdoored themselves.
2015-05-06T17:33:35 < scummos> javascript?
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2015-05-06T18:12:56 < jpa-> Getty: how about visual basic?
2015-05-06T18:13:04 < jpa-> it's been used to program web applications also
2015-05-06T18:13:17 < Getty> well in compare?....... yeah i would say yes
2015-05-06T18:13:29 < Getty> ;)
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2015-05-06T18:24:28 < umquant> Have any of you had to do any type of file compression on a stm32 device?
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2015-05-06T18:26:13 < zyp> I haven't, but that shouldn't be hard
2015-05-06T18:26:26 < zyp> depending on your purpose
2015-05-06T18:26:50 < zyp> what is the nature of the data you're thinking of compressing?
2015-05-06T18:27:50 < zyp> and are you thinking about doing compression or decompression on the device?
2015-05-06T18:29:08 < zyp> an lz77 decompressor is very simple
2015-05-06T18:32:17 < jpa-> lzo compressor & decompressor are quite light also
2015-05-06T18:32:43 < jpa-> but gzip or zip or jpeg usually need a bit of ram
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2015-05-06T18:50:20 < umquant> I am doing some freelance work and the client wants to ZIP a CSV file generated on the platform
2015-05-06T18:50:34 < umquant> I advised not using ZIP but that is apparently a requirement
2015-05-06T18:52:45 < karlp> how do you get a requirement like that?
2015-05-06T18:55:23 < umquant> This is a field device that stores logs on an SD card. The client is worried that any other compression format would confuse the field user
2015-05-06T18:55:45 < umquant> I am looking into this https://code.google.com/p/miniz/
2015-05-06T18:56:09 < karlp> so what, they unzip them and then what? it's no longer confusing?
2015-05-06T18:56:45 < umquant> lol apparently.
2015-05-06T18:56:45 < karlp> if you have a requirement like that, it soudns like something other than zip isn't going to be allowed either :)
2015-05-06T18:56:59 < umquant> Right
2015-05-06T18:57:56 < umquant> It is another wannabe IoT business grad using his dads money. I will gladly take it
2015-05-06T19:01:49 < karlp> not really IoT if it has to write logs to a file locally...
2015-05-06T19:01:56 < karlp> more a T than an Io
2015-05-06T19:03:36 < umquant> Yep. They have an "internal engineer" I guess they just come up with ideas though
2015-05-06T19:04:48 < zyp> is there any requirement on compression ratio?
2015-05-06T19:04:57 < dongs> The San Francisco social network giant lost over $162 million in the first quarter of 2015, about $30 million more than it lost during the same period in 2014.
2015-05-06T19:05:00 < dongs> haha
2015-05-06T19:05:07 < dongs> RIP twatter
2015-05-06T19:05:15 < dongs> Twitter.s own financial records show that it has lost over $1.5 billion between 2010 through 2014
2015-05-06T19:05:30 < Laurenceb__> so you want zip on stm32?
2015-05-06T19:05:37 < zyp> .zip supports multiple compression algorithms, and for any algorithm there's a bunch of different ways to generate compliant output
2015-05-06T19:05:37 < Laurenceb__> lol i had the same problem
2015-05-06T19:05:39 < dongs> 375mil/year down the shitter
2015-05-06T19:05:42 < Laurenceb__> told the to f off
2015-05-06T19:05:47 < Laurenceb__> *them
2015-05-06T19:06:02 < Laurenceb__> just used a folder with fatfs and tell them to drag and drop
2015-05-06T19:07:35 < zyp> hmm
2015-05-06T19:08:17 < zyp> .zip is mainly DEFLATE, apparently
2015-05-06T19:09:40 < dongs> superdumb question
2015-05-06T19:09:43 < dongs> whats 1am + 12 hours
2015-05-06T19:09:46 < zyp> anyway, if you don't care about compression ratio, you can just emit everything as a series of literal sections
2015-05-06T19:09:47 < dongs> is that gonna be 1pm
2015-05-06T19:09:53 < zyp> haha
2015-05-06T19:09:55 < zyp> yes.
2015-05-06T19:09:55 < Laurenceb__> http://code.google.com/p/miniz/
2015-05-06T19:09:57 < dongs> thx
2015-05-06T19:10:05 < Laurenceb__> math fail
2015-05-06T19:11:30 < umquant> Laurenceb__: yes I just need to generate a zip that will consist of csv files
2015-05-06T19:11:41 < Laurenceb__> ah, i had the same problem
2015-05-06T19:11:53 < Laurenceb__> i told the users to f off
2015-05-06T19:11:59 < umquant> Laurenceb__: Thanks for the link. That is the one I found as well
2015-05-06T19:12:20 < Laurenceb__> miniz only seems to do compression aiui
2015-05-06T19:12:33 < Laurenceb__> you still need to encapsulate everything
2015-05-06T19:12:57 < umquant> Can you expand on that?
2015-05-06T19:13:04 < Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_%28file_format%29#/media/File:ZIP-64_Internal_Layout.svg
2015-05-06T19:13:08 < Laurenceb__> doesnt look too hard
2015-05-06T19:13:38 < umquant> https://code.google.com/p/miniz/source/browse/trunk/example5.c
2015-05-06T19:14:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1rDHJ7g.jpg
2015-05-06T19:14:33 < Laurenceb__> isnt that just one file to one file?
2015-05-06T19:15:22 < dongs> wut
2015-05-06T19:15:31 < umquant> oops wrong link sorry. https://code.google.com/p/miniz/source/browse/trunk/example2.c
2015-05-06T19:15:32 < dongs> are you failing to implement deflate/whatever on mcu
2015-05-06T19:15:46 < dongs> shit is super ez
2015-05-06T19:15:49 < umquant> That is their ZIP api
2015-05-06T19:15:50 < Laurenceb__> ooh
2015-05-06T19:15:56 < Laurenceb__> yeah it does archiving
2015-05-06T19:15:59 < Laurenceb__> very nice
2015-05-06T19:16:01 < umquant> dongs: Do you recommend miniz?
2015-05-06T19:16:40 < umquant> I have never done compression stuff on an MCU. The clients requirement is to put some CSV files into a .ZIP
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2015-05-06T19:17:03 < dongs> did they require them to be compressed? :)
2015-05-06T19:17:29 < jpa-> umquant: how large csv's are you making if you need to compress it?
2015-05-06T19:17:43 < dongs> umquant: i dont know, it looks pretty legit, but then again zlib itself isnt that hard to use
2015-05-06T19:17:51 < zyp> sounds like it's more a matter of organization
2015-05-06T19:18:00 < dongs> which is why i asked
2015-05-06T19:18:04 < dongs> if they need them compressed ;d
2015-05-06T19:18:34 < jpa-> yeah; and for organization you can also use the new technology introduced in dos 2.0
2015-05-06T19:18:45 < dongs> directories????????????????????
2015-05-06T19:18:54 < jpa-> yes!!
2015-05-06T19:19:02 < zyp> I just looked at the format specs, looks like it's pretty easy to make something that'll just make an uncompressed zip
2015-05-06T19:19:14 < dongs> right
2015-05-06T19:19:34 < umquant> jpa-: No hard figures for file size. All I have to do is show them that a zip is being compressed. They didn't care too much about my worries of file size
2015-05-06T19:19:38 < Laurenceb__> just stick the files in and generate offsets
2015-05-06T19:19:50 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-05-06T19:20:39 < umquant> words are hard. If I can take a csv, compress it and show that a ZIP file was generated my job is done.
2015-05-06T19:21:08 < umquant> this is a PoC exercise basically.
2015-05-06T19:21:29 < jpa-> sounds silly
2015-05-06T19:21:32 < umquant> it is
2015-05-06T19:21:39 < umquant> But $ is $
2015-05-06T19:21:40 < jpa-> how much ram do you have available for this?
2015-05-06T19:23:13 < dongs> miniz shouldn't need more htan a few k to work
2015-05-06T19:23:20 < umquant> 192KB RAM on chip, 2MB SRAM off chip
2015-05-06T19:23:26 < dongs> sweet
2015-05-06T19:23:47 < jpa-> so you have no worries
2015-05-06T19:24:00 < umquant> Awesome.
2015-05-06T19:24:02 < jpa-> miniz should work, even any .zip library written in C will probably work
2015-05-06T19:24:26 < umquant> Sounds good. I will let you know if I have any issues
2015-05-06T19:24:46 < umquant> Do you guys do develop on stm32s professionally?
2015-05-06T19:25:02 < jpa-> yes
2015-05-06T19:25:04 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/SillyTinyBrant LOL
2015-05-06T19:25:14 < zyp> according to 4.4.5 in https://pkware.cachefly.net/webdocs/casestudies/APPNOTE.TXT, there's a method 0 for storing uncompressed data
2015-05-06T19:25:42 < zyp> so you can just stick zip headers around your plain .csv and call it a .zip
2015-05-06T19:25:56 < umquant> haha
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2015-05-06T19:26:41 < Laurenceb__> yeah, job done
2015-05-06T19:27:32 < umquant> good find zyp!
2015-05-06T19:28:07 < dongs> i said like 30minutes ago
2015-05-06T19:28:16 < umquant> jpa-: Can you tell me a little about what you do in your job?
2015-05-06T19:28:21 < umquant> dongs: whoops. Sorry
2015-05-06T19:28:23 < dongs> < dongs> did they require them to be compressed? :)
2015-05-06T19:28:39 < dongs> you didn't ask me, but I'm a professional internet troll
2015-05-06T19:29:00 < jpa-> umquant: well, most of the time i sit in front of computer, read stack exchange and irc and try to look busy
2015-05-06T19:29:08 < Laurenceb__> haha same here
2015-05-06T19:29:13 < dongs> what do you "read" on stackexchange
2015-05-06T19:29:17 < dongs> trollposts?
2015-05-06T19:29:19 < jpa-> then i spend a few hours debugging some bugs and fix them and everyone is happy
2015-05-06T19:29:44 < jpa-> dongs: anything interesting, such as "is it bad if my children are naked" and "why do my kittens die"
2015-05-06T19:30:02 < umquant> jpa-: What kind of devices do you write code for? Like what is their end use
2015-05-06T19:30:09 < zyp> jpa-, sounds like a typical software job
2015-05-06T19:30:32 < jpa-> umquant: well, i cannot tell much really
2015-05-06T19:30:40 < umquant> Ah okay.
2015-05-06T19:30:42 < gxti> yep
2015-05-06T19:31:05 < jpa-> http://www.optofidelity.com/products-and-services/test-automation/video-playback-performance/video-multimeter/   this was my master's thesis job
2015-05-06T19:31:31 < umquant> awesome
2015-05-06T19:32:41 < umquant> Do you use a windows or linux tool chain at work?
2015-05-06T19:33:07 < jpa-> windows host (due to company it requirements), most of work is done inside virtualbox + ubuntu
2015-05-06T19:33:36 < umquant> So you develop inside a buntu VM?
2015-05-06T19:34:45 < jpa-> yeah
2015-05-06T19:35:04 < jpa-> though sometimes also visual studio on windows; depends on project
2015-05-06T19:35:14 < umquant> What is your toolchain setup like? I've had problems getting a good linux setup
2015-05-06T19:35:32 < jpa-> in current project i'm supposed to be using ride7 on windows, but it totally 100% sucks, so i just use kdevelop on ubuntu
2015-05-06T19:35:40 < zyp> toolchain is usually decided on a project basis, by whoever is starting the project
2015-05-06T19:35:51 < jpa-> text editor + launchpad arm gcc embedded + makefiles + gdb
2015-05-06T19:39:01 < zyp> in the past, I used to have a windows computer next to a linux computer on my desk
2015-05-06T19:40:30 < zyp> that's what happens when you need both for various tools, and the company have a ton of shitty computers
2015-05-06T19:40:32 < umquant> Ah okay. I will check out kDevelop
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2015-05-06T19:41:08 < zyp> cheaper to give each developer two shitty computers than one that's capable of running VMs in a useful way
2015-05-06T19:41:51 < karlp> yech, so muhc more painful to use though
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2015-05-06T19:44:59 < zyp> dunno, I don't think a second computer for windows is very different from a VM in regard to painfulness
2015-05-06T19:45:24 < jpa-> need to have two sets of keyboards etc. on desk
2015-05-06T19:45:46 < zyp> nah, I used to use synergy
2015-05-06T19:45:50 < jpa-> ah
2015-05-06T19:46:34  * emeb uses a KVM switch
2015-05-06T19:46:59 < ReadError> eww
2015-05-06T19:47:31 < ReadError> i wish synergy would fix the g'damn sticky keys
2015-05-06T19:47:37 < umquant> Which RTOS do you guys prefer working with?
2015-05-06T19:47:46 < ReadError> instead of adding useless trash like SSL and android clients
2015-05-06T19:48:02 < zyp> umquant, idk, I haven't found one I like yet
2015-05-06T19:48:13 < jpa-> chibios is fine
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2015-05-06T19:48:57 < umquant> I though chibios was like a hobbyist platform
2015-05-06T19:49:00 < umquant> thought*
2015-05-06T19:49:14 < umquant> zyp: Which ones have you worked with?
2015-05-06T19:49:21 < jpa-> it is quite popular with hobbyists, yes
2015-05-06T19:49:39 < zyp> my former employer wrote their own, and then at another place I worked at they used Enea OSE which I can't really comment on, because I didn't work on that part
2015-05-06T19:49:50 < umquant> Ah okay.
2015-05-06T19:50:06 < umquant> I've worked with the Keil RTOS and FreeRTOS
2015-05-06T19:50:35 < kakimir> have you guys done surge protection?
2015-05-06T19:50:36 < zyp> I tried chibios a few years ago for a hobby project, but the features I wanted to use weren't very mature
2015-05-06T19:54:02 < qyx_> much macro magic inside chibios
2015-05-06T19:54:06 < qyx_> otherwise it is fine
2015-05-06T19:54:22 < qyx_> unless you are not expecting to do things like clock reconfiguration at runtime
2015-05-06T19:54:42 < qyx_> i like freertos+libopencm3 combination
2015-05-06T19:55:15 < umquant> I will have to look into libopencm3
2015-05-06T19:55:19 < umquant> haven't heard ofi t
2015-05-06T20:07:12 < Laurenceb__> i use chibios when i want a work project finished fast
2015-05-06T20:07:51 < umquant> Wow that's awesome to hear it is that mature.
2015-05-06T20:08:04 < umquant> What hardware do you have experience running it on?
2015-05-06T20:08:11 < Laurenceb__> F1 and F4
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2015-05-06T20:08:46 < qyx_> i tried on f1, f4, f3, f0
2015-05-06T20:08:56 < qyx_> l1 too, but not a real project, just some tests
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2015-05-07T00:23:47  * [7] complains about some rather nasty race conditions in the STM32F0 series USB peripheral
2015-05-07T00:24:37 < zyp> how so?
2015-05-07T00:25:53 < zyp> [7], please elaborate
2015-05-07T00:27:33 < [7]> IIUC cancelling a transfer (due to endpoint reconfiguration) could wreak all kinds of havoc
2015-05-07T00:28:17 < [7]> and these "toggle" bits for the endpoint status field (which is basically a 2 bit wide enum) aren't really making much sense either
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2015-05-07T00:29:00 < zyp> oh, those are easy enough
2015-05-07T00:29:22 < zyp> just write current xor desired value to change them to what you want
2015-05-07T00:29:28 < [7]> assume an endpoint is in VALID state and you want to put it into DISABLED, if the transfer finishes during the read-modify-write, it'll end up in STALL state
2015-05-07T00:30:10 < [7]> that toggle thing is basically creating the race condition that it's trying to avoid
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2015-05-07T00:32:18 < zyp> hmm, true
2015-05-07T00:32:22 < zyp> but easy to solve
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2015-05-07T00:32:45 < [7]> well, I guess it can be worked around because the race can only happen once, so just setting it twice would fix it
2015-05-07T00:32:51 < [7]> but seriously...
2015-05-07T00:32:52 < zyp> just flip it from VALID to STALL first, then from STALL to DISABLED
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2015-05-07T00:33:11 < zyp> or just check that it got disabled and flip it again if not
2015-05-07T00:34:00 < [7]> probably the same issue with data toggles
2015-05-07T00:34:23 < [7]> the OTG core on F2/F4 is so much nicer to deal with ;)
2015-05-07T00:34:35 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-07T00:35:10 < zyp> dwc_otg is kinda overwhelming and complex, but it's actually fairly well designed
2015-05-07T00:35:33 < [7]> yes, it's very cleverly designed once you figure it out
2015-05-07T00:36:16 < [7]> has a hell of a lot more possible races etc. due to DMA, multi-packet transfers, etc., but they took care of that properly
2015-05-07T00:36:27 < zyp> from what I've heard it's host mode isn't very good though, compared to proper host controllers
2015-05-07T00:36:43 < [7]> heh, yeah, raspberry pi *grin*
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2015-05-07T00:37:11 < [7]> how many people have been hacking at that for years until they got it to work somewhat reliably?
2015-05-07T00:37:31 < zyp> idk
2015-05-07T00:38:04 < [7]> also the older versions of that DWC core were quite buggy
2015-05-07T00:38:45 < [7]> I think I still haven't nailed down all of the possible lockup cases on cores which have a shared TX fifo
2015-05-07T00:39:30 < zyp> shared TX fifo sounds ugly
2015-05-07T00:40:15 < zyp> sounds like a recipe for a deadlock
2015-05-07T00:40:51 < [7]> well, assuming that endpoints behave independently of each other it might work in theory, just cause unnecessary NAKs
2015-05-07T00:41:17 < [7]> but as soon as you need to bring down an endpoint with an in-flight transfer, you're in bad trouble
2015-05-07T00:41:54 < zyp> do they have independent fifos for EP0 and the others, or do EP0 share the same?
2015-05-07T00:42:01 < [7]> you can't get that junk out of the FIFO without flushing it entirely, thereby potentially eating other packets
2015-05-07T00:42:13 < [7]> no, all TX fifos are shared, including EP0
2015-05-07T00:42:32 < [7]> which is what triggers most of the really messy cases
2015-05-07T00:42:51 < zyp> true, but you can take care of that by just keeping references to all the written data until it is acked
2015-05-07T00:43:32 < zyp> I mean, if you don't care very much about performance, you can keep only one transfer pending in the fifo at any one time
2015-05-07T00:43:50 < [7]> yes, and that is basically the only solution that I haven't seen fail yet :P
2015-05-07T00:44:14 < [7]> but in combination with USB 2.0 high speed on a mass storage device... not a good idea
2015-05-07T00:44:50 < [7]> you really want to offload those ~64K sized bulk transfers to the DMA engine as one huge transfer
2015-05-07T00:45:24 < [7]> which can easily end up jamming EP0
2015-05-07T00:45:28 < zyp> on some of the tests I did on F4, I saw that cpu is fast enough to fill the FIFO after TX to be ready for the next IN token
2015-05-07T00:45:41 < zyp> running in FS mode
2015-05-07T00:46:30 < zyp> so keeping multiple packets in the FIFO isn't very important for FS performance
2015-05-07T00:46:50 < zyp> of course, depending on how fast you can serve the TX completion interrupt
2015-05-07T00:47:05 < [7]> this was on ARM9 running at 192MHz, implementing an FTL + USB mass storage
2015-05-07T00:47:22 < [7]> effective throughput around 10MB/s
2015-05-07T00:47:38 < zyp> in HS then
2015-05-07T00:47:40 < zyp> that sounds slow
2015-05-07T00:48:05 < [7]> with the crappy quad bank NAND flash being the bottleneck
2015-05-07T00:48:16 < [7]> (ipod nano 2g)
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2015-05-07T03:55:13 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I was /8, not sure why I was so convinced.  turns out 0 ws the /8 bit, and 1 was the "undivided" bit, so time::sleep is working properly. (as you suspected)
2015-05-07T03:55:56 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NTD24N06G-TRANSISTOR/1607607929.html ... yeah
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2015-05-07T04:24:25 < dongs> its like COIN, but even less likely right
2015-05-07T04:29:56 < gxti> and still no answer for NFC or chip and pin except "future"
2015-05-07T04:30:02 < englishman> great all the features of a credit card, for only $150
2015-05-07T04:31:04 < gxti> it's almost entirely pointless and apple ate their lunch anyway on "using your nerd dildo to pay for things"
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2015-05-07T04:32:49 < dongs> i was just typing that
2015-05-07T04:32:56 < dongs> that shit sounds almost as amazing as apple pay
2015-05-07T04:33:04 < dongs> get a $700 dildo to buy latte at starbucksd
2015-05-07T04:33:11 < dongs> but you can use apple pay!!!111
2015-05-07T04:33:24 < gxti> hm, now i want to put NFC chip in an actual dildo
2015-05-07T04:33:34 < dongs> and do what with it
2015-05-07T04:33:39 < gxti> pay for coffee duh
2015-05-07T04:33:41 < dongs> ive already got BTLE in mine
2015-05-07T04:33:46 < dongs> oh heh
2015-05-07T04:33:59 < dongs> pretty sure laymen isnt gonna be able to do payment processing with NFC
2015-05-07T04:34:10 < englishman> Oh it didn't work, let me try again bzzzzzzz
2015-05-07T04:34:19 < gxti> no need, just rip it out of an actual credit card
2015-05-07T04:43:04 < ds2> isn't creditcard NFC going away?
2015-05-07T04:47:47 < PeterM> ds2 nope
2015-05-07T04:50:26 < ds2> do they make chipped and NFC combo cards?
2015-05-07T04:50:50 < ds2> they seem to be quietly replacing NFC with the chipped cards
2015-05-07T04:53:41 < PeterM> ds2 yes
2015-05-07T04:53:44 < PeterM> they make them
2015-05-07T04:54:25 < ds2> PeterM: where geographically are you?
2015-05-07T04:54:30 < PeterM> if i recall correctly most visa and mastercard cards in australia are NFC + chip
2015-05-07T04:54:33 < PeterM> australia
2015-05-07T04:54:36 < ds2> ah
2015-05-07T04:54:47 < ds2> maybe the US folks are too green to the chip stuff to do both
2015-05-07T04:54:50 < englishman> replacing nfc with chip?
2015-05-07T04:54:53 < englishman> here, chip is dying
2015-05-07T04:54:58 < englishman> nfc everywhere
2015-05-07T04:55:14 < englishman> anything is usa is back asswards
2015-05-07T04:55:20 < englishman> i have to sign all the time, lol
2015-05-07T04:55:41 < PeterM> englishman nobody ever looks at the back of my card, so i signed it with a dick
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2015-05-07T04:56:12 < ds2> what else do you do when merchants don't have workign chip auth
2015-05-07T04:56:13 < englishman> nobody ever checks my card because i dont even remember the last time i had to sign for a cc transaction outside of usa
2015-05-07T04:56:45 < englishman> havent come across a merchant with nonworking chip auth yet
2015-05-07T04:56:50 < englishman> that would be just as bad as nonworking pos
2015-05-07T04:56:57 < englishman> ie: no transactions til its fixed
2015-05-07T04:57:17 < PeterM> ds2 in australia merchants are required by law to use chip auth in australia, unless the purchase is under $100
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2015-05-07T05:04:02 < englishman> dongs whats your fav clicky microsd card connector
2015-05-07T05:04:06 < englishman> theres a bunch
2015-05-07T05:05:17 < PeterM> most people wouldnt let you swipe that through their machine round here
2015-05-07T05:06:54 < englishman> what problem does it solve
2015-05-07T05:06:59 < PeterM> not gon happen
2015-05-07T05:07:43 < PeterM> mastercard/visa/amex/etc arent going to let it happen
2015-05-07T05:07:44 < englishman> im sure your government is very excited to support it
2015-05-07T05:07:53 < englishman> they will get right on that
2015-05-07T05:08:11 < PeterM> aside from practical issues associated with that too
2015-05-07T05:10:22 < PeterM> all the chips in the card and the switching mechanisms etc]
2015-05-07T05:10:33 < PeterM> i meant that practical side
2015-05-07T05:13:14 < PeterM> better than cash and change though
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2015-05-07T05:24:35 < dongs> englishman: dont have a  clicky one
2015-05-07T05:24:49 < dongs> my shit uses regular push/pull or teh short-ended one thats like board edge mount
2015-05-07T05:25:11 < englishman> found hirose DM3AT-SF-PEJM5
2015-05-07T05:25:15 < englishman> looks ok and hand-solderable
2015-05-07T05:25:25 < dongs> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/S1124650123/Socket.jpg
2015-05-07T05:25:26 < dongs> short one like that
2015-05-07T05:25:33 < englishman> cool
2015-05-07T05:25:43 < dongs> i have that hirose PDF in browser history
2015-05-07T05:25:48 < dongs> im using the nonclicky one from that series
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2015-05-07T07:34:53 < ReadError> dongs http://www.reddit.com/r/Multicopter/comments/3540p4/why_does_this_seller_say_that_the_flight/
2015-05-07T07:41:13 < dongs> haha
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2015-05-07T07:49:59 < PeterM> dongs i dont know why people would use a shitty dji frame anyway
2015-05-07T07:51:53 < englishman> dji is an $8bn company now
2015-05-07T07:52:03 < englishman> why would they produce a frame people would not want to use?
2015-05-07T07:53:55 < PeterM> price != performance
2015-05-07T07:54:39 < PeterM> profits != product performance
2015-05-07T07:55:03 < dongs> just got off the phone with asstechnical twatter guy about zano
2015-05-07T07:55:10 < dongs> hes fairly clueless
2015-05-07T07:55:22 < englishman> like all media
2015-05-07T07:55:25 < dongs> rite
2015-05-07T07:55:33 < englishman> howcome i never get to hear you swear at me over the phone
2015-05-07T07:55:50 < dongs> why do you care so much :(
2015-05-07T07:56:03 < dongs> i didnt swear too much
2015-05-07T07:56:16 < dongs> but hes not a drone expert, and he's NEVER HEARD OF RITOT
2015-05-07T07:56:28 < dongs> so I think as far as a technical writer goes, he's completely useless.
2015-05-07T07:56:50 < dongs> did you see this gem from ritot https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByaY-39vOhX_S2swNFhzRjZXMlk/view?pli=1
2015-05-07T07:56:56 < dongs> they posted altidong schematic
2015-05-07T07:57:21 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch#activity
2015-05-07T07:57:49 < englishman> hes a business reporter not a kickstarter scam reporter
2015-05-07T07:58:07 < englishman> wait, is that the entire schematic
2015-05-07T07:58:11 < dongs> yes
2015-05-07T07:58:17 < dongs> open that sores
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2015-05-07T08:07:10 < dongs> found anythign wrong yet?
2015-05-07T08:11:35 < Bright> i want to be an immersive user experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2015-05-07T08:12:23 < dongs> why not trying to immerse your dick in melted solder
2015-05-07T08:15:59 < dongs> this fucking taiwan cable making guy has been stalling for 3 weeks already
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2015-05-07T08:23:50 < GargantuaSauce> a watch that uses a microcontroller's internal rc oscillator
2015-05-07T08:25:00 < jpa-> and all the chips powered by combination of Vss and GND
2015-05-07T08:25:11 < jpa-> schematic looks totally fake
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2015-05-07T08:26:54 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/YiwxQKy.gifv
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2015-05-07T08:29:25 < upgrdman> nice robot: http://gfycat.com/UnsightlyAngelicBison
2015-05-07T08:30:22 < zyp> karlp, oh, so the chips are not consistent on what's /8 and what's sysclk?
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2015-05-07T09:11:31 < dongs> sup zano bakers
2015-05-07T09:14:23 < jpa-> air is up, zano is down
2015-05-07T09:20:38 < jpa-> client: "my hands are sweating from excitement"  does this mean i have to actually do something today?
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2015-05-07T11:21:30 < dongs> k chiangirl is finally sending the adp2441 shit so i will have them next week
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2015-05-07T12:00:43 < kakimir> cyka
2015-05-07T12:27:31 < akaWolf> ?
2015-05-07T12:27:47 < akaWolf> wtf
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2015-05-07T13:03:45 < kakimir> learning russian
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2015-05-07T13:14:04 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STONITH
2015-05-07T13:18:21 < akaWolf> kakimir: there is many other words in russian
2015-05-07T13:18:31 < akaWolf> not that one
2015-05-07T13:19:14 < zyp> dongs, yeah, I remember laughing about that term the first time I encountered it
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2015-05-07T13:21:02 < dongs> http://www.avx.com/docs/catalogs/discretewtbpokehome9276.pdf
2015-05-07T13:21:11 < dongs> zyp, which one
2015-05-07T13:21:25 < zyp> STONITH
2015-05-07T13:21:42 < dongs> o rite
2015-05-07T13:22:12 < dongs> how is that F4 shite doing
2015-05-07T13:22:13 < dongs> is it working
2015-05-07T13:22:14 < karlp> zyp: no, I think it was jut me misreading the bits.
2015-05-07T13:22:39 < zyp> okay
2015-05-07T13:22:54 < zyp> btw, is the -1 on STK.LOAD right?
2015-05-07T13:23:04 < zyp> I noticed I don't have it :p
2015-05-07T13:23:48 < karlp> ds2: late to the party, but my freshly issued mastercard her ein iceland is nfc+chip
2015-05-07T13:24:01 < karlp> (I haven't actually used the nfs portion yet)
2015-05-07T13:24:22 < zyp> nice
2015-05-07T13:25:36 < zyp> ~all terminals deployed in norway the last few years is said to support it (but used to be disabled)
2015-05-07T13:26:14 < zyp> recently I've started to see terminals stating "insert or touch card", so it's enabled in some locations now
2015-05-07T13:26:23 < zyp> few banks seem to support it yet though
2015-05-07T13:28:50 < zyp> my bank currently issue nfc cards only for their youth cards, adult cards are still issued as plain chip cards
2015-05-07T13:30:00 < karlp> we just had a nice "restructuring" of the payment processors here, resulting a lot of posturing and breakups/changes
2015-05-07T13:30:08 < karlp> no corruption here, none at all.
2015-05-07T13:30:39 < jpa-> here most new cards are issued with nfc
2015-05-07T13:30:52 < jpa-> it actualy works in many places
2015-05-07T13:30:59 < jpa-> in some places it crashes the payment terminal
2015-05-07T13:31:05 < zyp> heh
2015-05-07T13:31:19 < _Sync_> here nfc is only used for payments under 20€
2015-05-07T13:32:30 < zyp> I'm more interested in phone payment though
2015-05-07T13:33:03 < zyp> I've got so many nfc cards in my wallet now that it's simply not going to work swiping the entire wallet
2015-05-07T13:33:14 < zyp> and I don't see the advantage if I have to pull out the card anyway
2015-05-07T13:35:03 < _Sync_> I don't really see any advantage
2015-05-07T13:35:08 < _Sync_> besides haxxoring
2015-05-07T13:35:11 < PeterM> zyp i have 2 nfc paymentcards in my wallet, one sits in the front of my wallet with ID, one sits in the back behind notes, touch with back or front of wallet depending on which is needed
2015-05-07T13:35:19 < mtbg> lol @ that projection watch, these proof of concept videos are done using a normal projector with output perpedicular to skin surface - I wonder how will they make optics that will be able to compensate both keystone effect and position-dependent focus and still fit it into the wristwatch
2015-05-07T13:35:47 < zyp> PeterM, yeah, my wallet have side pockets that's well suited for that
2015-05-07T13:35:56 < zyp> but I already have other nfc cards in both
2015-05-07T13:36:03 < zyp> and more nfc cards inside the wallet
2015-05-07T13:37:12 < zyp> I just did a count, at the moment I have 9 nfc cards in my wallet
2015-05-07T13:37:24 < PeterM> my public transport nfc card uses a different frequency as does my access card so they dont interfere
2015-05-07T13:37:26 < karlp> 9?!
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2015-05-07T13:37:49 < zyp> all mine are 13.56
2015-05-07T13:38:31 < zyp> but they are split across ISO14443A, ISO15693 and ISO18092
2015-05-07T13:38:35 < PeterM> yeah, my payment ones are 13.56 but my others are 470k iirc
2015-05-07T13:39:43 < zyp> karlp, couple of transport cards, access cards, etc
2015-05-07T13:40:09 < zyp> it adds up
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2015-05-07T13:41:28 < zyp> transport cards gets priority for the wallet sides, since the terminals for those are designed to be used while walking past without stopping
2015-05-07T13:41:36 < karlp> I've got one access card, one payment card, the other payment card is old chip, transport... hah, what'sthat?
2015-05-07T13:42:39 < zyp> one of the cards is a payment card as well, but that one's jp only
2015-05-07T13:43:19 < PeterM> karlp you know, the rent-a-snowmobile place?
2015-05-07T13:43:53 < kakimir> just for statistic how russian is this channel?
2015-05-07T13:44:02 < zyp> transport is that thing I'm going to use tomorrow when I go to Oslo and ride a tram :p
2015-05-07T13:44:24 < PeterM> kakimir, not at all, we all seem quite laid back, always blogging, barely ever innovating
2015-05-07T13:44:48 < zyp> and the other transport card is for when I go home and have to ride a bus from the closest train station to my house :p
2015-05-07T13:45:08 < kakimir> by that i mean how many here orginates from east block
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2015-05-07T13:46:45 < PeterM> kakimir, whois and then tracert everyone in the channel?
2015-05-07T13:47:03 < zyp> hah
2015-05-07T13:47:23 < zyp> I don't think that's going to be very accurate
2015-05-07T13:47:47 < PeterM> zyp probably mroe accurate than asking though
2015-05-07T13:48:08 < kakimir> by that i'm irish
2015-05-07T13:48:34 < zyp> yeah, I'd also be somewhere in UK
2015-05-07T13:49:08 < karlp> I'm in the uk by that too :)
2015-05-07T13:49:44 < Fleck> :D
2015-05-07T13:51:17 < PeterM> kakimir, while that is true, im sure most people wouldn't use a vnp to russia by choice
2015-05-07T13:51:21 < PeterM> vpn
2015-05-07T13:51:23 < zyp> karlp, heh, we're both at linode I see, but you're in a completely different ip block :p
2015-05-07T13:51:23 < PeterM> even
2015-05-07T13:52:04 < kakimir> irish have cheap servers
2015-05-07T13:52:05 < zyp> PeterM, but lots of people would probably use a vpn out of russia
2015-05-07T13:52:29 < PeterM> zyp this is also true
2015-05-07T13:53:45 < PeterM> but from asking, so far we have 0 russians, but if you were to whois+ traceroute im sure that number would be higher
2015-05-07T13:56:09 < karlp> r2commie not even a little bit russian?
2015-05-07T13:56:22 < karlp> PaulF is confirmed russian
2015-05-07T13:57:31 < zyp> why does it matter anyway?
2015-05-07T13:59:07 < karlp> kakimir is prejudiced
2015-05-07T13:59:10 < karlp> or jealous, not sure
2015-05-07T13:59:31 < karlp> anyone from the african continent?
2015-05-07T13:59:36 < karlp> or south america?
2015-05-07T13:59:39 < karlp> those are more interesting.
2015-05-07T14:01:41 < PeterM> i think akawolf, and from ip address danteA (if activate_for_moa is different person, the them too), w00die
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2015-05-07T14:15:52 < karlp> well, now that I have a supported logic8 clone, pulseview/sigrok work verynicely. that's going to be helpful
2015-05-07T14:18:12 < zyp> PeterM, not sure about activate, but dantea and akawolf is same person
2015-05-07T14:18:59 < DanteA> Something is wrong?
2015-05-07T14:19:16 < dongs> zyp: activate is also akaWolf
2015-05-07T14:19:17 < PeterM> kakimir> just for statistic how russian is this channel?
2015-05-07T14:19:24 < dongs> much clonez
2015-05-07T14:19:36 < zyp> okay
2015-05-07T14:19:40 < DanteA> Ha ha
2015-05-07T14:19:53 < DanteA> It's not me.
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2015-05-07T14:21:02 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DIY-VR-lcd-display-1080p-1080-1920-dsi-display-mipi-with-hdmi-mipi-board-TC358870-for/1764418_32328183986.html lol china
2015-05-07T14:22:13 < PeterM> i wonder which phone that is from dongs
2015-05-07T14:22:20 < dongs> 6"
2015-05-07T14:22:23 < dongs> some faglet surely
2015-05-07T14:22:32 < dongs> I ordered a 5" amoled panel
2015-05-07T14:22:37 < dongs> before I found out it needs like 20 voltages
2015-05-07T14:22:38 < dongs> to drive it properly
2015-05-07T14:22:54 < PeterM> amoled is garbage because it suffers burnin anyway
2015-05-07T14:23:02 < zyp> does it?
2015-05-07T14:23:05 < PeterM> yes
2015-05-07T14:23:05 < dongs> yes
2015-05-07T14:23:10 < dongs> i had a HTC something
2015-05-07T14:23:11 < karlp> huh, good to know.
2015-05-07T14:23:12 < dongs> desire? or someshit
2015-05-07T14:23:13 < dongs> wiht amoled
2015-05-07T14:23:26 < zyp> oh
2015-05-07T14:23:26 < dongs> i left it on main screen for a while cuz i enabled "leave screen on when usb is connected"
2015-05-07T14:23:39 < dongs> and the shit left the pattern of clock + lines and shit on it forever
2015-05-07T14:23:52 < dongs> maybe its gotten better tho
2015-05-07T14:23:54 < dongs> who knows
2015-05-07T14:24:34 < PeterM> dongs nah, latest nexus 6 still has issues with it
2015-05-07T14:24:45 < zyp> well, it's not like lcd doesn't
2015-05-07T14:25:16 < dongs> http://www.panelook.com/H598QAN02.0_AUO_6.0_CELL_overview_22119.html
2015-05-07T14:25:18 < dongs> i guess its this?
2015-05-07T14:25:21 < PeterM> zyp not to the same degree
2015-05-07T14:25:32 < dongs> wtf no bl
2015-05-07T14:25:47 < PeterM> dongs nah that one is  2560x1440, the one linked was 1920x1080
2015-05-07T14:25:50 < zyp> why would amoled have backlight?
2015-05-07T14:25:55 < dongs> thats not amoled
2015-05-07T14:26:10 < dongs> http://www.panelook.com/H598DAN01_AUO_6.0_CELL_overview_22478.html err this for 1080
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2015-05-07T14:26:56 < dongs> http://www.panelook.com/LH600QH1-SD01_LG%20Display_6.0_LCM_overview_22759.html oh LG has one
2015-05-07T14:27:28 < dongs> 8S leds :(
2015-05-07T14:27:39 < dongs> oh wait thats not so bad
2015-05-07T14:27:40 < PeterM> dayum
2015-05-07T14:27:48 < dongs> chromebook dixel was like 20s
2015-05-07T14:27:55 < dongs> which made it a cunt to f ind a driver for
2015-05-07T14:27:57 < PeterM> but in a phone
2015-05-07T14:28:08 < dongs> 23V
2015-05-07T14:28:11 < dongs> well, you acn always boost it
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2015-05-07T14:28:19 < PeterM> yeah but thats not efficient
2015-05-07T14:28:32 < dongs> no stock anyway.
2015-05-07T14:29:00 < dongs> 7" is much popular
2015-05-07T14:29:17 < zyp> PeterM, why not?
2015-05-07T14:30:05 < zyp> for efficiency, you're going to have a switching constant-current driver anyway, how much worse would a boost topology be?
2015-05-07T14:31:13 < dongs> http://www.panelook.com/LS050T1SX10_SHARP_5.0_LCM_overview_24055.html i guess i should get this
2015-05-07T14:31:16 < dongs> instead of amoled trash
2015-05-07T14:31:20 < dongs> i think i even looked at getting it before
2015-05-07T14:32:06 < zyp> if you're running all leds in a single chain, you can tune the boost voltage to be right above the forward voltage of the chain, minimizing the dissipated power in the linear current limiter
2015-05-07T14:32:29 < dongs> most screens are 2 in paraqllel
2015-05-07T14:32:43 < dongs> top/bottom or whatever
2015-05-07T14:32:48 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-07T14:32:59 < dongs> and they already do that
2015-05-07T14:33:01 < dongs> automatic thing
2015-05-07T14:33:03 < zyp> I know
2015-05-07T14:33:10 < dongs> cuz none of the led driver shits i've seen have a "set" led  voltage
2015-05-07T14:33:30 < zyp> that's because they are designed as current supplies, not voltage supplies
2015-05-07T14:34:08 < dongs> I got 1.3k of those toshiba chips on the way, i better fucking figure out a way to monetize them
2015-05-07T14:34:17 < dongs> TC358870
2015-05-07T14:34:30 < PeterM> zyp because boost requires a much higher switch and inductor current, and has a higher output ripple current
2015-05-07T14:34:55 < dongs> i totally agree with that
2015-05-07T14:35:02 < PeterM> in addition to all output current needing to go through a rectifier
2015-05-07T14:35:13 < dongs> i made 5V>12V boost on my assberrypi board and it was ugly
2015-05-07T14:35:16 < zyp> who cares about output ripple? you're feeding pwmed leds
2015-05-07T14:35:28 < dongs> speaking of inductors
2015-05-07T14:35:39 < dongs> when I took apart a 17" old wled panel from broken laptop
2015-05-07T14:35:47 < dongs> the led driver had coil like 5cm away from the chip
2015-05-07T14:35:54 < dongs> [ chip ] ================ [ coil ]
2015-05-07T14:36:03 < dongs> the == being 2 fat traces
2015-05-07T14:36:12 < PeterM> zyp because you want your leds to get say 20ma, not 200ma at 10% dutycycle
2015-05-07T14:36:42 < Lux> dongs: nice, so you are gonna make hdmi->mipi boards ?
2015-05-07T14:36:52 < dongs> lux, i dont haev a lot of choice
2015-05-07T14:37:05 < dongs> the chips are paid for :d
2015-05-07T14:37:38 < Lux> 1k chips, thats gotta be some money
2015-05-07T14:37:59 < Lux> just out of curiosity how much are those per chip?
2015-05-07T14:38:04 < dongs> paypal that I never saw, just had people pay directly to chinagirl
2015-05-07T14:38:18 < dongs> not too awful
2015-05-07T14:38:20 < dongs> <10
2015-05-07T14:38:32 < dongs> cheaper than waht local tsohiba distributor wanted for them tho.
2015-05-07T14:38:53 < Lux> not bad
2015-05-07T14:39:05 < Lux> it even supports that hdmi encryption garbage
2015-05-07T14:39:17 < dongs> im not sure if the trash im getting is
2015-05-07T14:39:19 < zyp> PeterM, would that really matter? the issue of burning leds is mostly a matter of power, no?
2015-05-07T14:39:32 < dongs> distributor said if I order in trays (260/ea) they cant burn in hdmi keys
2015-05-07T14:39:36 < dongs> but if I order 1k+ i get them
2015-05-07T14:41:26 < PeterM> zyp well if the led is only rated for 20ma, yeah, of course its gonna matter, you're probably going to cook the actual junction or horribly degrade the phosphor
2015-05-07T14:41:54 < dongs> wow the panel datasheet actually lists the type of led used
2015-05-07T14:41:59 < dongs> GM4BN4A3S6A
2015-05-07T14:42:03 < dongs> thats a first
2015-05-07T14:42:12 < dongs> .. and nothing on google
2015-05-07T14:42:59 < dongs> Power supply for analog(-5.5V)
2015-05-07T14:43:00 < dongs> noooooooooooo
2015-05-07T14:43:01 < dongs> fuck
2015-05-07T14:43:06 < zyp> PeterM, if it's rated for 20mA at 100% duty, it can withstand a lot more at 10% duty
2015-05-07T14:43:19 < PeterM> not LEDs
2015-05-07T14:43:50 < zyp> it's just a matter of frequency vs thermal mass
2015-05-07T14:45:01 < zyp> I've had leds that were rated for only 1/16 duty, datasheet stated clearly that they wouldn't handle the same current at 100%
2015-05-07T14:45:02 < jpa-> PeterM: usually you can pulse leds at significantly higher current
2015-05-07T14:45:34 < zyp> they were in a 16x16 matrix, so they would obviously only be run at 1/16 duty max anyway
2015-05-07T14:46:25 < zyp> it is the average power that burns out part, not current by itself
2015-05-07T14:46:43 < zyp> and how long period you average over depends on the thermal mass of the part
2015-05-07T14:46:47 < PeterM> zyp but hgher pulse currents lead tto electromigration
2015-05-07T14:47:08 < zyp> i.e. thermal capacitance
2015-05-07T14:47:10 < PeterM> which leads to junction breakdown or junction opencircuit
2015-05-07T14:47:53 < zyp> yeah, over time
2015-05-07T14:47:56 < PeterM> average power burns it out, but also so does pulsed current
2015-05-07T14:48:12 < dongs> LCD panel: Dispose of as glass waste. This LCD module contains no harmful substances. The liquid crystal panel
2015-05-07T14:48:15 < dongs> contains no dangerous or harmful substances. The liquid crystal panel only contains an extremely small amount of
2015-05-07T14:48:18 < dongs> liquid crystal (approx.100mg) and therefore it will not leak even if the panel should break.
2015-05-07T14:48:57 < PeterM> i understand that is your pulse current is below the failure current you are subject to equal power dissipation requirements, but there are otehr things that suffer aside from thermal issues
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2015-05-07T14:51:12 < zyp> PeterM, so how are you proposing to drive the leds anyway?
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2015-05-07T14:53:17 < PeterM> zyp depends on the application
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2015-05-07T14:53:22 < zyp> you have a mobile device with a lipo battery supplying a variable voltage depending on charge state and you're going to feed n leds with constant current, how do you do it?
2015-05-07T14:56:15 < PeterM> if they are matched LEDs (which is common), i'd run 4P4S rather than 8S2P
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2015-05-07T14:56:53 < PeterM> lowers the  output ripple current, and the peak inductor and switch currents
2015-05-07T14:58:11 < zyp> I remember first rev of dongs ipad lcd adapter
2015-05-07T14:58:35 < zyp> ipad lcd have 12 strings, first rev board had them 2P on a 6 channel driver
2015-05-07T14:59:05 < zyp> that didn't look very uniform on my panel
2015-05-07T14:59:18 < zyp> the new board with two drivers looks better
2015-05-07T14:59:37 < zyp> that's the datapoint I have regarding matched leds.
2015-05-07T14:59:56 < PeterM> the LEDs were probably matched, the drivers probably no
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2015-05-07T16:00:39 < Laurenceb__> well shit i need to move to brazil
2015-05-07T16:00:42 < Laurenceb__> http://www.blogs.findlaw.co.uk/solicitor/2011/05/employment-law-brazilian-woman-wins-right-to-masturbate-at-work.html
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2015-05-07T16:01:49 < mtbg> :>
2015-05-07T16:02:28 < mtbg> every two hours?
2015-05-07T16:03:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2015-05-07T16:06:26 < akaWolf> up to 27
2015-05-07T16:06:30 < akaWolf> up to 47
2015-05-07T16:10:36 < akaWolf> about 2 times in hour :)
2015-05-07T16:30:49 < Laurenceb__> well now i know who to vote for   http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbaetgjuZ41qzaxefo1_500.jpg
2015-05-07T16:32:11 < zyp> that joke is so old it could run for president in the US by now
2015-05-07T16:38:44 < gxti> 2002, got a little ways to go
2015-05-07T16:46:08 < baird> The recent local election was a bit of a giggle m8 https://imgur.com/LtgN3aT
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2015-05-07T16:51:50 < _Sync_> kek baird
2015-05-07T16:52:27 < dongs> (7) Do not display still picture on the display over 2 hours as this will damage the liquid crystal.
2015-05-07T16:56:07 < englishman> what year is it
2015-05-07T16:56:15 < dongs> 2012
2015-05-07T17:02:11 < dongs> Friendly reminder that our What does precision mean for an op amp? 1-hour Google Hangout takes place online on Thursday, May 7th at 4 p.m. CET.
2015-05-07T17:02:14 < dongs> who's attending
2015-05-07T17:06:06 < dongs> TE O Tearing signal output from driver IC
2015-05-07T17:06:10 < dongs> i wonder if that = vsync??
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2015-05-07T17:08:10 < Laurenceb__> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/05/06/powershell-dsc-for-linux-is-now-available.aspx
2015-05-07T17:08:12 < Laurenceb__> rofl
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2015-05-07T17:10:29 < scummos> funny what MS is working on these days
2015-05-07T17:10:32 < scummos> ssh key management
2015-05-07T17:16:07 < _Sync_> hmm tiem to look at zano
2015-05-07T17:16:21 < Laurenceb__> lol trolltiem
2015-05-07T17:16:28 < _Sync_> still no update
2015-05-07T17:17:06 < trepidaciousMBR2> I keep seeing stuff about Zano, it's some quadcopter thing?
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2015-05-07T17:17:34 < dongs> _Sync_: i shatted with some dick from asstechnica on the phone about zanostuff
2015-05-07T17:17:43 < dongs> he visited their offices few weeks ago
2015-05-07T17:17:53 < dongs> "about 20-30 people t here looking very busy doing something"
2015-05-07T17:18:02 < dongs> "i was allowed to touch zano, but they wouldn't fly it for me"
2015-05-07T17:18:11 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZDaoU30UsOw
2015-05-07T17:18:16 < Laurenceb__> wut it flies?
2015-05-07T17:18:23 < dongs> Laurenceb__: status of going to zano offices
2015-05-07T17:18:29 < dongs> Laurenceb__: manually flown off-screen
2015-05-07T17:19:07 < Laurenceb__> but it flies?
2015-05-07T17:19:12 < _Sync_> from the reaction it sometimes looks like a rendering
2015-05-07T17:19:17 < _Sync_> but not suer
2015-05-07T17:19:29 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-05-07T17:20:20 < dongs> Laurenceb__: last word is, they "optimized main power supply for lower battery voltage" :(
2015-05-07T17:20:27 < dongs> they might have removed LM1117
2015-05-07T17:20:41 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ucyBMB_PWr8
2015-05-07T17:20:43 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-05-07T17:21:00 < gxti> but 1117 is what all the pros use
2015-05-07T17:21:20 < Laurenceb__> a UK crackpot convention
2015-05-07T17:21:30 < karlp> Laurenceb__: that's a 12 hour video, what the hell
2015-05-07T17:21:46 < Laurenceb__> oh wait Dallas
2015-05-07T17:21:51 < Laurenceb__> everything makes sense
2015-05-07T17:22:11 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ucyBMB_PWr8#t=18519
2015-05-07T17:22:17 < Laurenceb__> Hilton Anatole
2015-05-07T17:22:39 < Laurenceb__> yeah separated through space and time
2015-05-07T17:30:54 < dongs> https://youtu.be/I7IpLnccNt4?t=219
2015-05-07T17:32:02 < Laurenceb__> more windows than my desktop
2015-05-07T17:32:22 < Laurenceb__> lol footprint tool looks like eagle
2015-05-07T17:32:40 < dongs> eagle has no footprint tool
2015-05-07T17:33:29 < englishman> sweet SN74 action
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2015-05-07T18:05:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng
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2015-05-07T18:10:02 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
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2015-05-07T18:20:01 < kakimir> how healthy fr4 is when inhaled?
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2015-05-07T18:20:10 < dongs> you're already dead
2015-05-07T18:20:28 < kakimir> yes
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2015-05-07T18:21:43 < BrainDamage> as healty as fiberglass
2015-05-07T18:22:40 < kakimir> I try to breathe thru nose
2015-05-07T18:23:05 < kakimir> I need seperate crafting table with downvacuum
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2015-05-07T18:23:21 < _Sync_> just wear a respirator
2015-05-07T18:23:30 < kakimir> anyone have this "clean" table "dirty" table set?
2015-05-07T18:23:42 < kakimir> no way
2015-05-07T18:24:01 < Laurenceb__> i just pulled 5mm of CF out of my finger :S
2015-05-07T18:24:13 < Laurenceb__> been in there for 2 months
2015-05-07T18:24:21 < Laurenceb__> either that or i have morgellons
2015-05-07T18:24:21 < _Sync_> why not
2015-05-07T18:24:37 < _Sync_> yeah I hate that Laurenceb__
2015-05-07T18:24:51 < _Sync_> had some copper wire stuck in my finger for a few months
2015-05-07T18:24:56 < englishman> i do a line of FR4 powder once a month sometimes more on weekends
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2015-05-07T18:25:44 < Laurenceb__> maybe you were born with it...
2015-05-07T18:25:51 < Laurenceb__> maybe it was Morgellons
2015-05-07T18:26:19 < Laurenceb__> fucking chemitrails
2015-05-07T18:26:36 < _Sync_> illuminardi confirmed
2015-05-07T18:27:00 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/3Jl6d6r.png
2015-05-07T18:27:14 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bariumblues.com/
2015-05-07T18:27:30 < kakimir> i hate when they chemtrail
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2015-05-07T18:28:08 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bariumblues.com/black_line.htm
2015-05-07T18:28:21 < Laurenceb__> When I first saw this I thought it was probably just a shadow being cast by the chemtrail
2015-05-07T18:28:31 < Laurenceb__> Some investigators think these dark lines are strongly indicative of particle-beams
2015-05-07T18:28:33 < Laurenceb__> lorf
2015-05-07T18:28:35 < kakimir> it just to bring down rain somewhere and keep sun shining for bosses summer palaces
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2015-05-07T18:30:17 < kakimir> let it rain on foes
2015-05-07T18:31:54 < kakimir> lets spend our time building optimal foil hat
2015-05-07T18:32:24 < englishman> heres your hat http://imgur.com/a/Z5mEB
2015-05-07T18:33:01 < kakimir> they use something like that for polar bears
2015-05-07T18:33:10 < kakimir> a box with piece of meat
2015-05-07T18:33:40 < kakimir> pull meat -> shotgun goes off
2015-05-07T18:33:43 < Laurenceb__> winning at failing
2015-05-07T18:34:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRExlZGpNVHgzaUU/view?usp=sharing
2015-05-07T18:35:50 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer
2015-05-07T18:35:52 < englishman> $9, wat
2015-05-07T18:36:53 < Laurenceb__> 3d printr?
2015-05-07T18:37:11 < zyp> I love that all pics shows only the backside
2015-05-07T18:37:31 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/748/184/10910f1d6be64ae90a67c98a627dbf78_original.jpg?v=1431008990&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=931cdf33a0b2720cf34ac8301f4a3809
2015-05-07T18:37:34 < dongs> there's t opside
2015-05-07T18:37:36 < dongs> its allwhiner A13
2015-05-07T18:37:47 < zyp> oh, didn't get that far down
2015-05-07T18:37:48 < Laurenceb__> lol modules
2015-05-07T18:37:58 < Laurenceb__> they fail at pcb
2015-05-07T18:39:32 < kakimir> when does skynet take over happen?
2015-05-07T18:39:46 < Laurenceb__> when this is turned on  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vcaOKX7Ko7w
2015-05-07T18:40:01 < kakimir> intellectual computing system actually sustaining itself
2015-05-07T18:41:23 < kakimir> in internet nobody knows you are an artificial intelligence living inside cloud systems
2015-05-07T18:42:15 < Laurenceb__> trolltelligent
2015-05-07T18:45:23 < kakimir> who knows how many artifial intelligences there are just living wild in clouds
2015-05-07T18:45:42 < kakimir> and vast organisation networks
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2015-05-07T19:18:00 < TheSeven> zyp: any idea what could cause F042 USB to corrupt received packets?
2015-05-07T19:18:11 < TheSeven> CRS seems to be working, stabilizes at trim 34-35
2015-05-07T19:18:29 < TheSeven> DFU works, if I run my code after that, my code receives the packet fine as well
2015-05-07T19:18:42 < TheSeven> however after a power cycle it starts to corrupt the second half of setup packets
2015-05-07T19:19:36 < TheSeven> after a reset (after running DFU) it still seems to work, while after a power cycle it doesn't... which doesn't leave much that could be retaining any state, and nothing that I could think of would influence USB in any way
2015-05-07T19:22:00 < jpa-> maybe the DFU initializes something that you don't?
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2015-05-07T19:24:23 < englishman> incendiary gas-based audiological processing provides clearer high notes while widening soundstage http://thesoundtorch.com/
2015-05-07T19:25:39 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2awbKQ2DLRE
2015-05-07T19:26:23 < karlp> anyone know what module that CHIP board is using?
2015-05-07T19:26:35 < englishman> module?
2015-05-07T19:26:54 < karlp> it's got an a13 module on it, with the a13 and ram/flash
2015-05-07T19:29:03 < TheSeven> gah, forgot to initialize the count field of the buffer descriptor entry
2015-05-07T19:29:09 < TheSeven> apparently that survives a reset ;)
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2015-05-07T19:30:10 < englishman> i thoguht a13 was a tablet
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2015-05-07T19:39:12 < karlp> a13 is just a cortex a9 soc, it's a cost reduced version of 10 iirc.
2015-05-07T19:40:27 < karlp> cortex a8 sorry
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2015-05-07T20:45:20 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QFt2aZvg3qE#t=45
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2015-05-07T20:59:00 < superbia> sup
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2015-05-07T21:20:57 < TheSeven> hm... can that USB packet buffer memory only be accessed 16 bits at a time?
2015-05-07T21:21:17 < TheSeven> trying to copy data to it 32 bits at a time doesn't seem to work
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2015-05-07T21:26:18 < superbia> Introduction to the STM32 Open Development Environment
2015-05-07T21:41:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcmNkZlZHc2VUMVk/view?usp=sharing sumthing done today
2015-05-07T21:42:24 < superbia> that bending looks like raping
2015-05-07T21:42:55 < kakimir> thanks
2015-05-07T21:43:05 < superbia> the middel one
2015-05-07T21:43:08 < qyx_> whats that
2015-05-07T21:43:21 < superbia> every leg you managed to bend differently
2015-05-07T21:43:39 < kakimir> sorry
2015-05-07T21:43:42 < superbia> simply art
2015-05-07T21:43:52 < kakimir> I don't give a shit
2015-05-07T21:44:15 < kakimir> 3phase triac controller for big oven
2015-05-07T21:44:20 < superbia> we already know this
2015-05-07T21:45:02 < kakimir> good
2015-05-07T21:46:40 < superbia> fail.
2015-05-07T21:47:02 < superbia> i wanted to paste "chinese pcb" picture.. but cant find a fucked up shit.. only nice pcb-s
2015-05-07T21:47:52 < kakimir> why you hate
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2015-05-07T23:22:13 < Steffanx> better ignore him kakimir ;)
2015-05-07T23:25:23 < karlp> what are the big screw connectors for?
2015-05-07T23:25:28 < karlp> zero crossing what?
2015-05-07T23:28:30 < kakimir> gives out zero points on voltage
2015-05-07T23:32:25 < kakimir> reference for trigger point
2015-05-07T23:38:23 < karlp> what uses those triggers?
2015-05-07T23:46:08 < kakimir> board that doesn't yet exist
2015-05-07T23:46:27 < kakimir> cortex-m
2015-05-07T23:46:37 < kakimir> reads thermocouples too
2015-05-07T23:47:24 < kakimir> connection to computerish user front end device with rs232 connection
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2015-05-08T00:18:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yla0JI17Qxk
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2015-05-08T01:15:14 < jadew> does that CHIP thing sounds doable in $9?
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2015-05-08T01:16:21 < jadew> what's their margin? 2 cents?
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2015-05-08T01:22:59 < Taxman> how many layers has the pcb for DDR3?
2015-05-08T01:26:11 < jadew> it's probably a 4 layers board
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2015-05-08T01:48:54 < TheSeven> hm, guess the memory would likely be a PoP given that form factor?
2015-05-08T01:49:08 < TheSeven> I'm really curious how they handle the NAND storage with a mainline kernel though
2015-05-08T01:50:24 < TheSeven> hm, are there any public docs on CMSIS-DAP?
2015-05-08T01:50:24 < TheSeven> also, does CMSIS-DAP offer reasonable performance, given that it's based on HID?
2015-05-08T01:50:24 < TheSeven> if I'd design an on-board debug interface for an STM32 breakout board (similar to the discovery boards), what kind of USB protocol would you recommend?
2015-05-08T02:00:07 < zyp> I'm a fan of how blackmagic probe runs a gdbserver directly on the device, accessed simply over cdcacm
2015-05-08T02:00:20 < zyp> no middleware needed between that and gdb
2015-05-08T02:09:39 < TheSeven> hm, that seems like a rather heavy approach though
2015-05-08T02:10:04 < TheSeven> not sure about the performance impact
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2015-05-08T02:16:15 < TheSeven> btw, I ordered some of these dirt cheap NRF modules, and got them today: http://www.aliexpress.com/item//674686536.html
2015-05-08T02:16:15 < TheSeven> I kinda expected to get some crap, and the PCB is shoddy for sure (they didn't even bother to put any silkscreen on it)
2015-05-08T02:16:15 < TheSeven> however all the usual components are populated, and the modules appear to be working fine
2015-05-08T02:16:15 < TheSeven> looking at the registers they seem like authentic NRF chips, and they are compatible (SPI and radio) with my other (likely authentic) NRF modules
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2015-05-08T05:29:23 < Alexer> push-pull + pull-up/pull-down are valid GPIO configurations, but what would you ever use them for, and why? o.O
2015-05-08T05:30:01 < Alexer> like, "I just felt I wanted that juicy extra 100uA of power consumption per pin", or..?
2015-05-08T05:54:13 < PeterM> kakimir, how "big" of a three phase oven? you might  need heatsinks on those triacs
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2015-05-08T06:03:54 < dongs> sup blogs
2015-05-08T06:03:56 < dongs> just woke up
2015-05-08T06:03:58 < dongs> fucking fail
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2015-05-08T06:28:58 < dongs> time to order some junk
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2015-05-08T06:36:13 < dongs> i gu ess?
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2015-05-08T06:38:46 < dongs> not really, but I have all invoices
2015-05-08T06:38:50 < dongs> i could go and look it up
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2015-05-08T06:59:11 < dongs> um bro
2015-05-08T06:59:16 < dongs> what did you think 10uF 0402 was gonna be awesome?
2015-05-08T07:01:07 < dongs> 10uF 0603 is about as small as I would consider usable
2015-05-08T07:02:08 < PeterM> and even then you may aswell buy 4.7u
2015-05-08T07:03:28 < PeterM> i have notfound that. i have found no crrolation between voltage rating and capacitance at specific voltage
2015-05-08T07:05:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Brfpm6y.gifv
2015-05-08T07:05:43 < dongs> sure
2015-05-08T07:06:54 < dongs> yes
2015-05-08T07:07:00 < PeterM> R2COM, shitty edn article with tiny ass sample size graph http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4402049/2/Temperature-and-voltage-variation-of-ceramic-capacitors--or-why-your-4-7--F-capacitor-becomes-a-0-33--F-capacitor
2015-05-08T07:07:16 < dongs> http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1201519
2015-05-08T07:07:19 < PeterM> "A second interesting point is that, within a package size and ceramic type, the voltage rating of the capacitors seem often to have no effect"
2015-05-08T07:10:07 < englishman> cool PeterM
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2015-05-08T07:21:11 < englishman> thats not voltage rating tho
2015-05-08T07:21:13 < englishman> thats voltage
2015-05-08T07:21:27 < PeterM> englishman no that is rated
2015-05-08T07:21:28 < englishman> oh nvm
2015-05-08T07:21:31 < englishman> i missed some lines
2015-05-08T07:21:31 < englishman> lol
2015-05-08T07:22:05 < englishman> the curves seem pretty close in the <6.3v range
2015-05-08T07:22:21 < englishman> the 25v one is down to 2uF by 9v
2015-05-08T07:23:17 < PeterM> R2COM, i would say that is mroe of an exception than the rule - often lower voltage rated caps will have HIGHER capacitance than higher voltage rated ones for the same XYZ conditions because the dielectric can be thinner
2015-05-08T07:26:31 < PeterM> also rememeber, tolerances for class 2 capacitors can be pretty garbage, so you'd need a massive sample size to get meaningful data, 2 types of cap from the same series from the same manufacturer isn't anywhere near sufficient
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2015-05-08T07:34:32 < PeterM> nah, im just sayin instead of going from 0603 6.3v > 0603 25v, you'd almost certainly be better off going 0603 6.3v > 0805 6.3v
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2015-05-08T07:39:32 < PeterM> in that case you should get a capacitor sample kit from murata or TDK or TY and compare, because you will probably find lower voltage rated caps, on average ahve higher capacitance for same package etc
2015-05-08T07:41:21 < akaWolf> fight!
2015-05-08T07:42:49 < PeterM> R2COM, not fake, they probably just take sticker off x5r put it on y5v and laugh to the bank
2015-05-08T07:43:50 < PeterM> although at 25c ea, that is within the region of legitness
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2015-05-08T07:54:17 < englishman> R2COM: im more curious if it can be legit
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2015-05-08T08:29:22 < dongs> um, '200pc'?
2015-05-08T08:29:26 < dongs> that reel is like 10k
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2015-05-08T08:30:13 < PeterM> they probs just cut from reel
2015-05-08T08:30:19 < dongs> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:801279
2015-05-08T08:30:33 < dongs> $50 for 200 is surely as cam
2015-05-08T08:30:35 < dongs> a scam
2015-05-08T08:32:22 < dongs> PeterM: that reel is $83 from chinagirl
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2015-05-08T08:33:02 < PeterM> i didnt say it was a good deal, i jsut said it was expensive enough to pay for the goods
2015-05-08T08:33:28 < PeterM> if it was $1 for a reel, then you certainly aren't gettinmg what you want
2015-05-08T08:33:33 < dongs> they're $0.116 @ mouser
2015-05-08T08:33:38 < dongs> in `10k/reel
2015-05-08T08:37:00 < PeterM> if you buy 200x in cut tape though you're looking at 25c ea so it matches up
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2015-05-08T08:41:35 < dongs> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Longman.jpg
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2015-05-08T09:00:07 < mtbg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Man_of_Wilmington
2015-05-08T09:00:11 < mtbg> interesting
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2015-05-08T09:47:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6zb5uVM.jpg
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2015-05-08T10:00:27 < ReadError> hah
2015-05-08T10:02:41 < jadew> thrust worthy
2015-05-08T10:03:09 < jadew> would have been funny if they screwed that up too :P
2015-05-08T10:03:27 < emeb_mac> Oh myyyyy.
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2015-05-08T10:14:08  * jadew has been offered a job at NI
2015-05-08T10:14:40 < jadew> sadly it's in a different city, so I'll have to turn it down
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2015-05-08T10:17:32 < jpa-> oh no, you'll miss out on all the labview
2015-05-08T10:18:06 < jadew> jpa-, yeah and probably on playing with some really nice instruments
2015-05-08T10:18:57 < jadew> which would be the main motivation for getting this job
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2015-05-08T20:33:48 < englishman> http://www.ioactive.com/pdfs/IOActive_Advisory_CyberLock.pdf
2015-05-08T20:33:51 < englishman> hardcore
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2015-05-08T22:47:59 < Laurenceb> http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/RvnnK3Z.jpg
2015-05-08T22:49:33 < Steffanx> Dear Laurenceb, you know it's 2015?
2015-05-08T22:50:15 < jadew> heh, yeah, but I was never aware of this reply
2015-05-08T22:50:58 < jadew> dumbest whore ever, accepts monopoly money
2015-05-08T22:52:16 < jadew> speaking of old news, I just found out about microsoft hololens
2015-05-08T22:52:44 < jadew> either that, or I was away when it got launched and the internet was raving about it
2015-05-08T22:53:32 < jadew> either that was preceded in my head by "or maybe I just forgot"
2015-05-08T22:53:34 < englishman> next thing you know there will be screens that react to touch
2015-05-08T22:53:42 < jadew> haha
2015-05-08T22:53:50 < superbia1> sup westerners
2015-05-08T22:54:19 < jadew> can you imagine porn on hololens?
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2015-05-08T22:56:16 < jadew> you can project a woman around your hand
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2015-05-08T22:57:22 < kakimir> when I was preteen I wanted to build a robot of pleasure
2015-05-08T22:58:05 < jadew> instead of posters of naked chicks, you can have real size naked women sitting all over your room
2015-05-08T22:58:25 < jadew> kakimir, a robot would be nice, but I think this is better
2015-05-08T23:03:01 < kakimir> could I reflow a part center pad just by blowing back of board with heat gun?
2015-05-08T23:07:28 < jadew> kakimir, would help if it has vias going through
2015-05-08T23:07:44 < jadew> if it doesn't, it would be better to just heat up the chip
2015-05-08T23:10:11 < kakimir> it has
2015-05-08T23:10:17 < kakimir> measured heat gun
2015-05-08T23:10:20 < kakimir> 310celsius
2015-05-08T23:10:28 < jadew> if it does, touch them with the iron
2015-05-08T23:10:50 < kakimir> not enough heat from iron
2015-05-08T23:11:07 < jadew> why don't you heat up the entire package again?
2015-05-08T23:11:11 < kakimir> I have all copper board
2015-05-08T23:11:23 < kakimir> should =
2015-05-08T23:11:26 < jadew> also, if you heat up the back, make sure you don't keep the board upside down or you'll end up with a bunch of parts on the bench
2015-05-08T23:11:28 < kakimir> should i?
2015-05-08T23:11:44 < jadew> yeah, just heat the whole chip up
2015-05-08T23:11:53 < kakimir> I think I preheat board and then heat whole chip
2015-05-08T23:12:23 < jadew> your choice, in my experience, everything gets hot fairly fast anyway
2015-05-08T23:13:11 < jadew> man... I'm so excited about hololens
2015-05-08T23:13:28 < jadew> I can already imagine a bunch of apps
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2015-05-08T23:28:34 < kakimir> ok I have pin pitch fail
2015-05-08T23:29:07 < kakimir> bor to fail
2015-05-08T23:31:27 < kakimir> I will bug the chip but it sucks
2015-05-08T23:34:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKN1JOSU5kQ1FKY2s/view?usp=sharing tryed to solder with iron those pins and middle ones looked ok and side ones didn't take solder and looked it with magnifier and it's pitch fail
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2015-05-08T23:45:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYV9IWDhsOHgtSEk/view?usp=sharing
2015-05-08T23:52:57 < englishman> annoying
2015-05-08T23:53:01 < englishman> whose fault
2015-05-08T23:53:10 < englishman> you stole eagle footprint instead of making your own?
2015-05-08T23:54:05 < englishman> thats a lot of untented vias
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2015-05-09T00:05:36 < Steffanx> big oops kakimir
2015-05-09T00:06:13 < Steffanx> you didnt fix the non-45 degree wires kakimir :P
2015-05-09T00:06:20 < Steffanx> now your pcb is ugl
2015-05-09T00:06:20 < Steffanx> y
2015-05-09T00:08:04 < kakimir> I die because of this
2015-05-09T00:08:54 < englishman> is there a finnish style of honourable death ala seppuku
2015-05-09T00:09:05 < englishman> maybe walking into the middle of a frozen lake and waiting for it to melt
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2015-05-09T00:10:16 < kakimir> you take some vodka and walk to thin ice
2015-05-09T00:11:05 < kakimir> and fucking survive from icy water
2015-05-09T00:13:00 < kakimir> even icy water is against you
2015-05-09T00:14:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyFg9xoPKk
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2015-05-09T00:23:42 < kakimir> but seriously finnish seppuku/kamikaze is exhaustion death by stressing work
2015-05-09T00:24:50 < kakimir> if anything
2015-05-09T00:27:01 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxOZ8gFbv0A
2015-05-09T00:27:27 < karlp> revving up the specs!
2015-05-09T00:28:40 < englishman> With a potent PSoC5LP chip at its core and an Arduino shield footprint,
2015-05-09T00:28:44 < englishman> just what the world needed
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2015-05-09T02:00:23 < jadew> englishman, atmel released some dev boards with arduino footprint too :/
2015-05-09T02:01:08 < jadew> for some of their SAM A5 MCUs
2015-05-09T02:02:25 < jadew> like people who need a devboard in order to get familiar with the chip and actually use it in a product would even own arduino shields
2015-05-09T02:03:30 < Fleck> right? :D
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2015-05-09T02:23:34 < kakimir> I draw the line to owning arduino shields
2015-05-09T02:23:39 < kakimir> not even once
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2015-05-09T02:26:01 < KreAture_> lol
2015-05-09T02:26:05  * KreAture_ applaudes
2015-05-09T02:26:52 < KreAture_> I dfon't have any problems with people using avr breakout boards of any brand, just don't come to me and ask me to ready your "product" for mass manufacture and call it done.
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2015-05-09T02:27:17 < KreAture_> usually such requests are accompanied with "no time is needed for software development as I made a scetch"
2015-05-09T02:27:43 < KreAture_> and "oh and we just add a camera, screen and ethernet
2015-05-09T02:27:45 < KreAture_> "
2015-05-09T02:28:19 < KreAture_> - without adding cost
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2015-05-09T03:02:30 < _Sync_> KreAture_: we shipped some products with raspis in there because our own stuff was no ready
2015-05-09T03:05:40 < KreAture_> hehe
2015-05-09T03:05:41 < KreAture_> sure
2015-05-09T03:05:47 < KreAture_> for protos and mockups it's fine
2015-05-09T03:06:30 < KreAture_> But imagine the panic if they no longer mfg pi's and you have to deliver 400 units of your system and it doesn't work when ported to a different card and the black block of binary hell is impossible to glare into
2015-05-09T03:11:13 < _Sync_> luckily it was just the first 10 demo units
2015-05-09T03:11:20 < _Sync_> so we could yolo it
2015-05-09T03:13:48 < KreAture_> hehe
2015-05-09T03:16:41 < _Sync_> still not proud
2015-05-09T03:18:51 < karlp> better not say what was in the first ~10 or so of our product then ;)
2015-05-09T03:19:38 < _Sync_> now we are actually trying to ship shit with intel edisons
2015-05-09T03:19:44 < _Sync_> the rage was real
2015-05-09T03:20:47 < _Sync_> ofc not going to work
2015-05-09T03:20:55 < _Sync_> because the spi on it is too slow
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2015-05-09T03:26:39 < KreAture_> hehe
2015-05-09T03:46:05 < Rickta59> intel edison?
2015-05-09T03:46:45 < Rickta59> so i grabbed one of those maple mini clones
2015-05-09T03:47:04 < Rickta59> i've never been a big fan of bootloaders .. some how I don't see the point
2015-05-09T03:47:27 < Rickta59> amazing .. year years ago that stuff was like $50
2015-05-09T03:47:38 < Rickta59> now you get them from ebay for $5 including shipping
2015-05-09T03:48:17 < Rickta59> is there anything glaringly wrong with the stm32f103s?
2015-05-09T03:48:24 < Rickta59> seems fine for everything I've tried
2015-05-09T03:51:06 < zyp> nothing outright wrong
2015-05-09T03:51:23 < zyp> the pin function mapping is a bit unwieldy compared to the newer families
2015-05-09T03:58:10 < dongs> assburgering
2015-05-09T03:58:15 < dongs> yea nothing wrong wiht F103
2015-05-09T03:58:22 < dongs> you dont have to use maple bootlaoder either
2015-05-09T03:58:30 < dongs> pretty sure all maple boards/clones have swd connector on them
2015-05-09T03:58:32 < Rickta59> yeah i have a discovery board connected to it
2015-05-09T03:58:46 < Rickta59> yeah they broke out the swd
2015-05-09T03:59:12 < Rickta59> i ordered one of those clone $4 stlink-v2 just to see if they work
2015-05-09T03:59:52 < dongs> the ones in colored USB stick format?
2015-05-09T04:00:07 < Rickta59> yeah in some aluminum case
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2015-05-09T04:00:54 < Rickta59> i was so focused on the m0+ stuff .. i lost site of the real bargins out there
2015-05-09T04:01:02 < Rickta59> sight
2015-05-09T04:01:45 < Rickta59> it is a good time to be an nerd
2015-05-09T04:01:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1679769003/the-adventures-of-hot-carl-and-dirty-sanchez
2015-05-09T04:01:55 < Rickta59> it is a good time to be an embedded nerd
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2015-05-09T05:12:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/m5rhHGu.gif
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2015-05-09T05:21:25 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-09T05:21:27 < dongs> 1280x480 panel
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2015-05-09T05:22:33 < dongs> oh, cars use that shit
2015-05-09T05:22:36 < dongs> its in tesla S
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2015-05-09T06:21:19 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221673202355
2015-05-09T06:23:04 < PeterM> that... is actualyl not that terrible
2015-05-09T06:23:38 < dongs> yeah just ordered to see whats inside
2015-05-09T06:24:12 < PeterM> i mean, a decent 5v 1-2a single port charger is going to set you back atleast$5 unless you want somethign that'll either kill you or cook your device
2015-05-09T06:24:28 < dongs> right
2015-05-09T06:25:24 < dongs> same shit is sold from USA for like $13
2015-05-09T06:25:29 < dongs> but no free shipping/no shipping to japan
2015-05-09T06:25:33 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141574590304
2015-05-09T06:29:40 < PeterM> hmmm... not sure about it now, the chain version looks like typical china trash, the very similar looking "original" looks legit though
2015-05-09T06:31:40 < dongs> oh?
2015-05-09T06:31:43 < dongs> where's the original
2015-05-09T06:32:06 < dongs> you mean the usa thing is original?
2015-05-09T06:32:38 < dongs> http://img.yunqudao.com/UploadFolder/10335be6-c5d5-4d34-95bc-2eff4cedbf2d/Default/LY118.JPG < lol
2015-05-09T06:33:46 < PeterM> dongs nah i mean they all are clones of things like anker and shit, but the pics are clearly shopped, but you'll probably get something like the pic you linked or like the one in this listing http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/181657711403
2015-05-09T06:34:05 < dongs> ah, thats really shit
2015-05-09T06:34:10 < dongs> i hope i get the one in MY pic ;p
2015-05-09T06:34:15 < PeterM> lol'd
2015-05-09T06:34:32 < dongs> that looks fucking trash
2015-05-09T06:34:39 < PeterM> fuck it, its like $20
2015-05-09T06:34:44 < dongs> plus,
2015-05-09T06:34:49 < dongs> i want the shit that says 'SUPERFAST!"
2015-05-09T06:35:19 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMVgxMDAx/z/HOMAAOSwm8VUxgLV/$_57.JPG hm black version has USB ports backwards???
2015-05-09T06:35:51 < PeterM> nah, the black one had its usb ports stolen, not they only have a sticker of usb ports
2015-05-09T06:35:56 < PeterM> now
2015-05-09T06:35:58 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTgyWDk4Mg==/z/OMoAAOSw1vlUxgMO/$_57.JPG
2015-05-09T06:36:10 < dongs> we'll see
2015-05-09T06:36:16 < dongs> tol them to  either ship to jp or drop at chinagirl office
2015-05-09T06:37:09 < PeterM> [13:25] <dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141574590304 - the last usb port on that ne looks bent AF
2015-05-09T06:37:28 < dongs> haha
2015-05-09T06:37:36 < dongs> holy shit
2015-05-09T06:38:16 < dongs> not to mention no superfast logo
2015-05-09T06:38:20 < dongs> def a scam
2015-05-09T06:38:37 < PeterM> 100%
2015-05-09T06:39:32 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1CxY_CGg
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2015-05-09T13:21:59 < dongs> pitch = 0.12
2015-05-09T13:22:03 < dongs> uhh yea.
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2015-05-09T13:26:56 < mtbg> where?
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2015-05-09T14:26:45 < dongs> https://semitwist.com/articles/article/view/why-i-hate-python-or-any-dynamic-language-really
2015-05-09T14:32:44 < _Sync_> well that is what he gets for using a niche os
2015-05-09T14:41:43 < superbia1> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/41155889.jpg
2015-05-09T14:51:27 < qyx_> that blag is pure rage
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2015-05-09T16:56:23 < dongs> my drycase is kinda too small for current trays of shit that I have. looking into getting something bigger. there's about 50% price increase from 25-50% RH to 10-20% RH cases, for same size. Should I get 10-20 or stick with 25-50 (my current case is 25-50 i think, and it idles at around 23% RH
2015-05-09T17:00:44 < zyp> heh
2015-05-09T17:00:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrQPiXXtF6tQh1bjyFYJ-nj-k82hxaHUu zyp, you need to watch all of these
2015-05-09T17:01:15 < zyp> wat
2015-05-09T17:04:44 < zyp> no, I don't think I will :p
2015-05-09T17:06:39  * karlp laughs
2015-05-09T17:06:48 < karlp> I love the rigourous testing all sizes for drone landing pads
2015-05-09T17:11:09 < _Sync_> de fuk
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2015-05-09T17:15:34 < mtbg> it had to be Japanese
2015-05-09T17:18:48 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG4Q2kq8DAE
2015-05-09T17:21:10 < superbia1> dongs: gps with 9dof?
2015-05-09T17:21:31 < dongs> probly
2015-05-09T17:21:54 < kakimir> I have gps receiver that narrows down to 3cm or so
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2015-05-09T18:00:34 < baird> Gee, I wonder who Pcup-san is..
2015-05-09T18:05:32 < scummos> 3cm with GPS? are you sure that is plausible?
2015-05-09T18:05:48 < scummos> that sounds like the accuracy where e.g. atmosphere temperature plays a role
2015-05-09T18:06:30 < karlp> huh, chibios online docs are for v2.5.1
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2015-05-09T18:20:52 < specing> kakimir: I call bullshit
2015-05-09T18:26:14 < kakimir> averaging accuracy
2015-05-09T18:26:28 < kakimir> in stationary placing
2015-05-09T18:29:53 < kakimir> actual read accuracy comes down below 20cm
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2015-05-09T18:41:19 < dongs> wut
2015-05-09T18:41:24 < dongs> whats the fucking point of a stationary gps
2015-05-09T18:41:28 < dongs> you use dgps for that once and done
2015-05-09T18:41:35 < dongs> and put a pole there
2015-05-09T18:44:20 < kakimir> maybe for stational gps station in contrast to moving station
2015-05-09T18:44:40 < kakimir> for local correction data
2015-05-09T18:45:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPy1geXu4M
2015-05-09T18:47:04 < qyx_> speaking of gps
2015-05-09T18:47:13 < qyx_> any non-digikey source of small ceramic antennas?
2015-05-09T18:50:07 < qyx_> what the hell.. seller rating is not visible anymore on ebay
2015-05-09T18:50:14 < qyx_> you have to click on the seller to check
2015-05-09T18:50:39 < ReadError> mine shows
2015-05-09T18:51:27 < qyx_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261835772479
2015-05-09T18:51:29 < qyx_> this one should work
2015-05-09T18:51:55 < dongs> rating shows here
2015-05-09T18:52:32 < Laurenceb> karlp: chibios doc writers are epically lazy
2015-05-09T18:52:45 < Laurenceb> at one point the wiki hadnt been updated for about 18months
2015-05-09T18:53:22 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/VikqQdT.png
2015-05-09T18:53:24 < Laurenceb> i think they finally got it up to date a few months ago
2015-05-09T19:08:35 < emeb_mac> anyone know if there's such thing as SRAM chips with muxed address / data?
2015-05-09T19:10:44 < qyx_> not enough pins?
2015-05-09T19:11:17 < qyx_> there are sram chips with wuad spi interface
2015-05-09T19:11:22 < qyx_> *quad
2015-05-09T19:11:47 < zyp> just put a latch between the mcu and the sram?
2015-05-09T19:12:59 < emeb_mac> yeah, seems like the only sol'n
2015-05-09T19:13:15 < emeb_mac> trying to think of ways to use FSMC on 100-pin parts
2015-05-09T19:13:22 < emeb_mac> which only allows muxed addr/data
2015-05-09T19:14:12 < emeb_mac> there's PSRAM parts, but those appear to be only available in BGA now
2015-05-09T19:17:21 < dongs> qyx_: you got hacked
2015-05-09T19:17:42 < dongs> whats wrong wiht bga
2015-05-09T19:24:39 < emeb_mac> I don't do BGA.
2015-05-09T19:27:16 < dongs> you should start
2015-05-09T19:27:19 < dongs> even ds2 does them
2015-05-09T19:27:28 < dongs> all the cool kids do bga.
2015-05-09T19:28:55 < Steffanx> time for tom66 to do bga
2015-05-09T19:29:02 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-05-09T19:29:27 < emeb_mac> I feel like I'm living in the future when I do qfn
2015-05-09T19:30:06 < zyp> I've got better experiences with bga than qfn :p
2015-05-09T19:30:26 < emeb_mac> oh?
2015-05-09T19:30:38 < emeb_mac> never had a problem with qfn/dfn/csp
2015-05-09T19:31:30 < zyp> I've had some instances of bad connections and some instances of bridges on qfn
2015-05-09T19:31:57 < dongs> your typical BGA is 1 or 0.8 etc mm pitch,m where a shitty QFN is 0.5 or 0.4mm
2015-05-09T19:32:04 < dongs> so chances of bga fucking up are actually that much less.
2015-05-09T19:32:09 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-09T19:32:20 < Laurenceb> just need to heat it correctly
2015-05-09T19:32:21 < emeb_mac> ya, but the vias to the center pads...
2015-05-09T19:32:28 < dongs> wat vias?
2015-05-09T19:36:40 < emeb_mac> PSRAMs in 8x6 BGA - need vias to get access to center pads
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2015-05-09T20:53:58 < karlp> bleh, copy a chibios makefile, "*** No rule to make target `main.c', needed by `build/obj/main.o'"
2015-05-09T20:54:01 < karlp> wtf
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2015-05-09T21:01:06 < karlp> oh ffs, my "main" was called fmb.c from another project
2015-05-09T21:01:33 < emeb_mac> copypasta
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2015-05-09T21:09:11 < karlp> man, chibios makefiles are pretty happy about remaking things if you touch the makefile
2015-05-09T21:10:08 < qyx_> yes, everything is recompiled
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2015-05-10T00:02:38 < varesa> my stm32f407 just decided to change to a stm32f401xx according to st-link
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2015-05-10T00:24:16 < Tectu> mid-life crisis
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2015-05-10T00:35:00 < kakimir> I have had age crisis since primary school
2015-05-10T00:35:10 < kakimir> or had
2015-05-10T00:35:46 < Steffanx> you always fell in love with older woman?
2015-05-10T00:36:32 < kakimir> no
2015-05-10T00:36:52 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUE5aVFV4NUd0VzA/view?usp=sharing some dones of the day
2015-05-10T00:37:20 < zyp> cute labels
2015-05-10T00:37:51 < kakimir> made myself
2015-05-10T00:38:32 < zyp> what's the goal of that board?
2015-05-10T00:38:57 < Steffanx> heh, did the fw upgrade/hack kakimir?
2015-05-10T00:39:06 < kakimir> amplify load cells in machines I will build
2015-05-10T00:39:18 < kakimir> Steffanx: certainly
2015-05-10T00:39:28 < zyp> I'm just wondering why you're running analog out, rather than slapping an adc on it
2015-05-10T00:39:51 < kakimir> well that must still be the first step
2015-05-10T00:40:19 < kakimir> and I may have some board near by having mcu with exesive amounts of free adc
2015-05-10T00:40:20 < Tectu> some dones of the day from my end:   http://www.screencast.com/users/Tectu/folders/Default/media/fd5ec49c-e058-411b-9682-af6c5fe807da
2015-05-10T00:40:31 < Tectu> (java uni project -.-)
2015-05-10T00:40:39 < kakimir> let's say that will be under 2m away from control board
2015-05-10T00:42:43 < zyp> I still think a local ADC is easy to justify against shielded wiring
2015-05-10T00:42:57 < zyp> hmm
2015-05-10T00:43:11 < zyp> you guys are making me feel unproductive, I haven't done shit today
2015-05-10T00:43:22 < kakimir> I think I just filter 50hz and thats it
2015-05-10T00:43:31 < kakimir> and low pass
2015-05-10T00:44:20 < kakimir> zyp: turn it into strength
2015-05-10T00:44:35 < kakimir> tomorrow you work twice as hard
2015-05-10T00:44:45 < zyp> pfft
2015-05-10T00:44:51 < kakimir> or not
2015-05-10T00:44:59 < kakimir> better relax hard
2015-05-10T00:45:09 < Tectu> zyp, as long as it's just today it shouldn't make you worry :)
2015-05-10T00:45:34 < zyp> hah
2015-05-10T00:45:42 < zyp> as if
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2015-05-10T00:46:48 < kakimir> once I didn't do anything for a year
2015-05-10T00:47:35 < kakimir> about--
2015-05-10T00:48:53 < Steffanx> you must have done something..
2015-05-10T00:49:34 < zyp> if Laurenceb saw this, he'd suggest masturbating
2015-05-10T00:51:18 < toobluesc> So the source code for the st-link/v2-1 isn't public?
2015-05-10T00:51:28 < Laurenceb> i always suggest that
2015-05-10T00:51:37 < toobluesc> I'd really like to make a minature swd debugger + USB uart like my nucelo boards
2015-05-10T00:52:57 < Laurenceb> what i did today  http://i.imgur.com/tbC4STT.png
2015-05-10T00:53:01 < Steffanx> black magic probe is open source :)
2015-05-10T00:53:09 < zyp> toobluesc, you might want to look at black magic probe
2015-05-10T00:53:36 < Steffanx> freecad Laurenceb?
2015-05-10T00:53:44 < Laurenceb> but later  http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Sindarin1000rr/media/south-park-randy-masturbation.jpg.html
2015-05-10T00:53:45 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-05-10T00:56:23 < Steffanx> not sure what im looking at, but i bet it's rockoon related stuff
2015-05-10T00:56:55 < Laurenceb> yup lol
2015-05-10T00:57:06 < Laurenceb> parts for a new bearing design
2015-05-10T00:57:12 < ds2> anyone tried playing with the Lepton and the stm32?
2015-05-10T00:57:44 < Laurenceb> ooh good idea
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2015-05-10T01:00:30 < Laurenceb> building 20krpm bearing turns out to be very hard
2015-05-10T01:00:44 < Steffanx> trollFTPD  .. by Laurenceb?
2015-05-10T01:02:03 < Laurenceb> FTPD?
2015-05-10T01:02:38 < Laurenceb> http://freecode.com/projects/troll-ftpd
2015-05-10T01:03:15 < toobluesc> black magic looks pretty awesome
2015-05-10T01:03:35 < ds2> Laurenceb: what size 20K bearings?
2015-05-10T01:06:14 < Laurenceb> ds2: atm im using http://www.astbearings.com/product.html?product=6705
2015-05-10T01:06:43 < Laurenceb> the tricky bit is the mountings, they have to be vibration damping or the system will shake itself to bits
2015-05-10T01:07:22 < _Sync_> looks like chian bearings
2015-05-10T01:07:34 < _Sync_> no, it just has to be rigid enough
2015-05-10T01:07:50 < Laurenceb> and I need to operate in the highly supercritial regime, meaning that it needs to be very non rigid
2015-05-10T01:08:51 < Laurenceb> which gets... tricky
2015-05-10T01:08:53 < _Sync_> dunno, my grinder spindle I designed runs happily at 40k
2015-05-10T01:09:07 < Laurenceb> jet turbines solve this problem with foil bearings
2015-05-10T01:09:39 < _Sync_> had some virbration problems at first but better balancing and a more rigid case shut it up
2015-05-10T01:09:40 < Laurenceb> im trying silicone foam mounts
2015-05-10T01:10:19 < ds2> that looks bigger then the high speed bearings I know of
2015-05-10T01:10:35 < ds2> dremels have bearings in that 20-30K range
2015-05-10T01:10:35 < Laurenceb> yeah i need to spin a rocket on its principle axis, when its got poorly made reload cartridges stuck in it, with center of mass about 0.5mm off from physical center
2015-05-10T01:11:04 < ds2> doesn't that make interesting 'sounds'?
2015-05-10T01:11:14 < Laurenceb> hehe
2015-05-10T01:11:26 < Laurenceb> yeah its kind of load when it works
2015-05-10T01:11:30 < Laurenceb> *loud
2015-05-10T01:11:41 < Laurenceb> only has to work for 300ms before launching
2015-05-10T01:11:53 < ds2> ah
2015-05-10T01:12:23 < Laurenceb> my current design only works when i clamp the chassis to a workbench
2015-05-10T01:12:23 < _Sync_> err Laurenceb I don't get why you want to have that thing soft
2015-05-10T01:12:23 < ds2> I wonder if you can reuse one of those high speed spindle things... they go for like $100ish and can do up to 100K
2015-05-10T01:12:27 < _Sync_> rigid is the way to go
2015-05-10T01:12:39 < Laurenceb> chassis == other side of the damping
2015-05-10T01:12:48 < ds2> i suspect you don't mean soft.. you mean compliant
2015-05-10T01:12:54 < Laurenceb> _Sync_ Im trying to make a spin stabilised rocket
2015-05-10T01:12:58 < Laurenceb> yes, compiant
2015-05-10T01:13:11 < ds2> so certain directions are rigid
2015-05-10T01:13:17 < Laurenceb> spin stabilised only works if you spin about something called the principle axis
2015-05-10T01:13:27 < ds2> could you do an air bearing?
2015-05-10T01:13:35 < Laurenceb> otherwise the spinning body starts precessing off
2015-05-10T01:13:47 < Laurenceb> ds2: yes, thats my reserve plan if this doesnt work
2015-05-10T01:13:55 < Laurenceb> 2L pop bottle with 150psi air
2015-05-10T01:14:10 < ds2> how big is the rocket?
2015-05-10T01:14:13 < Laurenceb> then a SLS printed turbine on the bototm
2015-05-10T01:14:27 < _Sync_> yeah but I don't see why your bearing cartridge cannot be very rigid
2015-05-10T01:14:32 < Laurenceb> 100grams, 25mm diameter, 210mm long
2015-05-10T01:14:33 < _Sync_> somehow connecting to your rocket
2015-05-10T01:14:58 < Laurenceb> _Sync_ the bearing has to stay behind on the launcher
2015-05-10T01:15:08 < Laurenceb> too heavy to fly with the rocket
2015-05-10T01:15:10 < ds2> air might be the easiest way
2015-05-10T01:15:21 < Laurenceb> yes I think so too
2015-05-10T01:15:30 < ds2> 100g should be doable with air
2015-05-10T01:15:34 < Laurenceb> but as it is I have a ESC and motor setup
2015-05-10T01:15:36 < _Sync_> sure but you can heave a breakaway coupling
2015-05-10T01:15:39 < _Sync_> ~have
2015-05-10T01:15:45 < _Sync_> like a pullstud on the bottom of the rocket
2015-05-10T01:15:49 < _Sync_> that releases
2015-05-10T01:15:51 < Laurenceb> _Sync_ yeah thats what I've designed
2015-05-10T01:15:54 < Laurenceb> sort of
2015-05-10T01:16:03 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/tbC4STT.png
2015-05-10T01:16:08 < ds2> is this designed on a napkin?
2015-05-10T01:16:10 < Laurenceb> bearing and foam arent rendered
2015-05-10T01:16:13 < Laurenceb> lol yes
2015-05-10T01:16:33 < _Sync_> I just don't get the foam
2015-05-10T01:16:34 < _Sync_> that's dumb
2015-05-10T01:16:41 < _Sync_> you want to support the bearing as rigid as you can
2015-05-10T01:16:44 < Laurenceb> those three parts are clips that pop out of the space between the rocket body and bearing
2015-05-10T01:16:52 < Laurenceb> the three central parts
2015-05-10T01:17:19 < _Sync_> I would not trust that releasing but that can work
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2015-05-10T01:17:31 < Laurenceb> _Sync_: if the mount is rigid then the rocket isnt free to rotate around its principle axis
2015-05-10T01:17:42 < Laurenceb> so you may as well not spin it at all :P
2015-05-10T01:18:01 < _Sync_> why can't you just make the bottom mount in line with the axis?
2015-05-10T01:18:06 < Laurenceb> yeah, theres going to have to be some tape around the rocket body for them to jam onto
2015-05-10T01:18:16 < Laurenceb> _Sync_: I could....
2015-05-10T01:18:25 < Laurenceb> then it would have to be balanced like a car wheel
2015-05-10T01:18:29 < Laurenceb> thats another option
2015-05-10T01:18:36 < _Sync_> that's what I'd do
2015-05-10T01:18:48 < ds2> is there any fins at all?
2015-05-10T01:18:49 < _Sync_> because not mounting the bearing rigidly is not the right way
2015-05-10T01:18:54 < Laurenceb> has to be done very accurately to work that way
2015-05-10T01:19:05 < _Sync_> it also has to be your way
2015-05-10T01:19:06 < Laurenceb> _Sync_: its how jet turbines solve this problem
2015-05-10T01:19:19 < _Sync_> because any imbalance will make that thing wobble apart
2015-05-10T01:19:27 < _Sync_> which you could control with rigidity
2015-05-10T01:19:27 < Laurenceb> impossible to keep a jet turbine accurately balanced
2015-05-10T01:19:40 < Laurenceb> the foil bearings are compliant
2015-05-10T01:19:57 < Laurenceb> but they have the right loss tangent to keep the rotor stable, very clever engineering
2015-05-10T01:20:12 < Laurenceb> ds2: no, no fins
2015-05-10T01:20:18 < _Sync_> they are pretty well balanced
2015-05-10T01:20:22 < Laurenceb> its launched at ~40km, so hardly any air
2015-05-10T01:20:32 < _Sync_> but yeah they are designed to give to survive
2015-05-10T01:20:46 < ds2> is this a weapon?
2015-05-10T01:20:46 < Laurenceb> yes, but not nearly balanced enough for rigid bearings to work
2015-05-10T01:20:55 < Laurenceb>  hehe
2015-05-10T01:21:02 < Laurenceb> its is rather weaponisable
2015-05-10T01:21:07 < ds2> 40km... spinstablized....
2015-05-10T01:21:21 < Laurenceb> but my uses are totally innocent
2015-05-10T01:21:30 < _Sync_> with the foamshit it would not hit anything
2015-05-10T01:21:30 < ds2> don't bullets and such also do that ?
2015-05-10T01:21:39 < Laurenceb> it will burnout at 1.5km/s  :D
2015-05-10T01:22:13 < Laurenceb> _Sync_: its doable with foam, I have a foam system working on a  lab bench test setup
2015-05-10T01:22:37 < Laurenceb> ds2: well the design is based off an anti tank round :D
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2015-05-10T01:23:18 < Laurenceb> but the mass is lower and the altitude is higher, so lower air density
2015-05-10T01:23:19 < _Sync_> do you have accurate enough control over ignition timing so that you can do an inertia cluch?
2015-05-10T01:23:22 < ds2> that explains a few things
2015-05-10T01:23:44 < ds2> Laurenceb: what about using rifling to get it to spin?
2015-05-10T01:23:44 < _Sync_> because that would make the rocket spinny thing interface easier
2015-05-10T01:24:11 < Laurenceb> _Sync_: interesting idea
2015-05-10T01:24:28 < Laurenceb> ds2: would need very accurate balancing then
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2015-05-10T01:24:39 < Laurenceb> somewhere i have some pictures of my current setup
2015-05-10T01:24:51 < _Sync_> because that would be the mechanically easiest way to do it
2015-05-10T01:24:55 < ds2> accurate balancing shouldn't be that hard
2015-05-10T01:25:00 < _Sync_> it is.
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2015-05-10T01:25:09 < _Sync_> especially with parts that large
2015-05-10T01:25:19 < _Sync_> and you need dynamic balancing in a lot of axis
2015-05-10T01:25:44 < Laurenceb> hmm not here, but i have cad
2015-05-10T01:25:47 < _Sync_> because then the launch would be speed up rocket, fire ignitor at the right moment
2015-05-10T01:25:51 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/GCmFvgl.png
2015-05-10T01:25:58 < _Sync_> clutch opens at preset speed
2015-05-10T01:26:00 < _Sync_> rocket flies
2015-05-10T01:26:14 < Laurenceb> orange is the rocket
2015-05-10T01:26:36 < _Sync_> that's pretty small
2015-05-10T01:26:47 < _Sync_> compared to the beagle (?)
2015-05-10T01:26:52 < Laurenceb> yup, BBB
2015-05-10T01:27:10 < _Sync_> do you have a low weight limit?
2015-05-10T01:27:17 < _Sync_> overall? probably
2015-05-10T01:27:25 < _Sync_> because then I'd use an air turbine
2015-05-10T01:27:28 < Laurenceb> yeah, 500grams
2015-05-10T01:27:32 < _Sync_> and some carbon HPA tank
2015-05-10T01:27:33 < Laurenceb> hmm interesting
2015-05-10T01:27:44 < _Sync_> rigid rocket interface
2015-05-10T01:27:46 < Laurenceb> thats 2 people suggesting air :P
2015-05-10T01:28:21 < _Sync_> well, it is far easier and cheaper
2015-05-10T01:28:37 < Laurenceb> well anyway, I discovered why this current design is unreliable, it uses PTFE coater silicone foam between the supports and the rocket
2015-05-10T01:29:17 < Laurenceb> turns out that give a negative "loss" tangent under most vibration conditions, due to the physical separation of the foam tabs
2015-05-10T01:29:30 < Laurenceb> so any vibration increases in magnitude without being damped
2015-05-10T01:30:05 < Laurenceb> i just modelled the 5 foam blocks at the top and bottom as generic bearings in matlab, and it worked fine in simulation
2015-05-10T01:30:11 < _Sync_> I'd probably use a alu pipe bored with a threaded plug on the bottom to rigidly mound that shit
2015-05-10T01:30:16 < _Sync_> ~mount
2015-05-10T01:30:22 < Laurenceb> turns out in reality its not so simple
2015-05-10T01:30:24 < _Sync_> and then some shaft with the air turbine
2015-05-10T01:30:33 < _Sync_> and the inertia clutch
2015-05-10T01:30:39 < _Sync_> probably needs to be bored to work
2015-05-10T01:30:48 < _Sync_> but that's the mechanically easiest
2015-05-10T01:30:49 < Laurenceb> _Sync_: yeah, but then its not rotating about its principle axis
2015-05-10T01:30:53 < _Sync_> sure
2015-05-10T01:30:56 < _Sync_> if your interface is
2015-05-10T01:31:21 < Laurenceb> yeah if its really well balanced :P
2015-05-10T01:31:38 < _Sync_> well it only needs to be reasonably balanced
2015-05-10T01:31:38 < Laurenceb> for long thing projectiles, this really ruins your day
2015-05-10T01:31:39 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession#Torque-free
2015-05-10T01:32:31 < Laurenceb> with my rocket, any off center rotation is magnified by a factor of 30 after launch due to the precession
2015-05-10T01:32:43 < _Sync_> you could make the interface compliant
2015-05-10T01:33:17 < Laurenceb> yeah, thats the route I'm going down with the foam
2015-05-10T01:33:33 < Laurenceb> the bearings only weight 7grams
2015-05-10T01:33:46 < Laurenceb> so 7/100*30=2.1
2015-05-10T01:33:51 < Laurenceb> not so bad
2015-05-10T01:34:02 < _Sync_> I dunno, feels wrong with the foam
2015-05-10T01:34:29 < Laurenceb> yeah, the loss tangent needs to be engineered for stability
2015-05-10T01:34:54 < Laurenceb> but I work with mechanically lossy foams in my day job, have lots to choose from :P
2015-05-10T01:35:40 < ds2> Laurenceb: is this classified as an amateur rocket or a model rocket?
2015-05-10T01:35:44 < Laurenceb> its the same with the bump strip in foil bearings, the design is vital for stability, it needs to be lossy
2015-05-10T01:36:08 < Laurenceb> ds2: its using off the shelf HPR reloads
2015-05-10T01:36:11 < Laurenceb> so .. amateur
2015-05-10T01:37:22 < ds2> Laurenceb: are you certified to fly these?
2015-05-10T01:37:30 < Laurenceb> but it still needs to be cleared with FAA/CAA (UK)
2015-05-10T01:37:53 < Laurenceb> well, I am certified to fly them as amateur rockets on the ground
2015-05-10T01:38:04 < Laurenceb> the rules at altitude are unclear in the UK
2015-05-10T01:38:27 < Laurenceb> I might have to travel to US, they have a clear regulatory system for launching similar rockets
2015-05-10T01:38:52 < ds2> ah
2015-05-10T01:39:02 < ds2> Blackrock is a nice launch site
2015-05-10T01:39:13 < Laurenceb> yeah thats where I'd go
2015-05-10T01:39:43 < Laurenceb> its a bit small for balloon launch, might restrict the weather conditions a lot
2015-05-10T01:42:08 < Laurenceb> with a UK launch I'd put a large chute on the launcher and pick weather conditions so that it launched over the sea with the launcher recovered back on land
2015-05-10T01:42:41 < Laurenceb> that or convince the CAA that the rocket poses no hazard
2015-05-10T01:43:03 < Laurenceb> the FAA risk assessment proceedure came out as "non hazardous, 0 risk"
2015-05-10T01:43:11 < Laurenceb> as its only 40 grams at burnout
2015-05-10T01:45:15 < Laurenceb> and simulation tools put it in <100mph freefall by the time it re-enters controlled airspace
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2015-05-10T04:51:36 < dongs> sup pros
2015-05-10T04:51:51 < emeb_mac> wastin' time
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2015-05-10T05:35:22 < emeb_mac> we have always been at war with east asia.
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2015-05-10T05:47:30 < dongs> R2COM: have you installed gtav yet
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2015-05-10T06:12:06 < dongs> i heard they sold it 3 times
2015-05-10T06:12:13 < dongs> old gen consoles, current gen consoles, and pcs
2015-05-10T06:12:16 < dongs> what a fuckign scam
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2015-05-10T08:15:41 < baird> Mother's Day: https://imgur.com/sLgXAxM
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2015-05-10T08:37:14 < upgrdman> baird, http://i.imgur.com/fIyTrBs.jpg
2015-05-10T08:44:06 < ReadError> R2COM https://imgur.com/gallery/qb5Zb7p
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2015-05-10T10:41:57 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fluids_in_art
2015-05-10T10:55:26 < Viper168> you going to start doing menstruation paintings?
2015-05-10T10:58:25 < Roklobsta> not before he gets his own vagina kayak (google it)
2015-05-10T11:04:02 < dongs> pssh, everyone in this channel knows about it
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2015-05-10T12:33:08 < baird> I wish I could be super-unique like an artist.
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2015-05-10T12:55:42 < GargantuaSauce_> think it's more a question of having the right people tell you you aren't full of shit
2015-05-10T12:56:16 < GargantuaSauce_> uh, except that may be counterproductive to the endeavors in question
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2015-05-10T15:57:56 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/IncredibleDifferentElectriceel
2015-05-10T15:57:57 < dongs> haha
2015-05-10T16:05:26 < Laurenceb> i see way too many power lines
2015-05-10T16:05:30 < Laurenceb> predict disaster
2015-05-10T16:06:04 < PeterM> i think its trying to tell him something, maybe giving him a sign
2015-05-10T16:06:28 < Laurenceb> oh no
2015-05-10T16:07:46 < Laurenceb> so who is going to build them a warp drive?
2015-05-10T16:07:48 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/05/08/hackaday-prize-entry-an-em-drive/
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2015-05-10T16:19:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pd0pqa3.jpg
2015-05-10T16:21:02 < PeterM> dongs standard fare
2015-05-10T16:22:44 < zyp> got a new pet?
2015-05-10T16:23:06 < zyp> maybe it can keep away the mice
2015-05-10T16:23:28 < dongs> mice got terminated last year
2015-05-10T16:23:31 < baird> I had one of those crawl out of my scooter's front fairing, onto the windscreen, and right onto my visor.
2015-05-10T16:23:32 < dongs> with some gluetraps
2015-05-10T16:23:57 < dongs> so altidong circuitmaker completely skips  the highspeed routing stuff
2015-05-10T16:24:08 < dongs> but still manages to cost ~$3000
2015-05-10T16:24:45 < dongs> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-19418-219548/PCB+Design+Rules.png
2015-05-10T16:25:23 < dongs> huh and no query in design rules
2015-05-10T16:28:36 < Laurenceb> is it toxic?
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2015-05-10T16:32:50 < dongs> hopefully
2015-05-10T16:33:53 < baird> Ever had chewinggum rubbed into your hair by a dickhead at highschool? Scale that up to a whole side of your entire furry body..
2015-05-10T16:35:14 < dongs> play goat simulator or yandere sim HMMM
2015-05-10T16:35:17 < dongs> or go to sleep
2015-05-10T16:35:27 < Laurenceb> goat simulator?
2015-05-10T16:35:49 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-05-10T16:35:51 < Laurenceb> http://www.goat-simulator.com/
2015-05-10T16:35:53 < specing> ?_?
2015-05-10T16:35:53 < dongs> yes
2015-05-10T16:36:02 < zyp> wow, do you live under a stone?
2015-05-10T16:36:02 < dongs> no not that
2015-05-10T16:36:07 < dongs> er that yeah
2015-05-10T16:38:03 < Laurenceb> this looks good
2015-05-10T16:38:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.t-mobile.com/store/cell-phone-everett-wa-423.html
2015-05-10T16:38:36 < Laurenceb> an Everett Phone
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2015-05-10T16:40:03 < baird> Kenny Everett phone? He was fond of pink too..
2015-05-10T16:40:50 < Laurenceb> for dialling up parallel universes
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2015-05-10T16:45:40 < PeterM> hey dongs my missus wants to know where you got the miniture luggage used for the photo of the stm32f103 dev board in your shop
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2015-05-10T16:50:11 < dongs> lol, on the plane
2015-05-10T16:50:49 < PeterM> like complementary kawaii shit for flying glorious nippon airways?
2015-05-10T16:50:57 < dongs> nah, i think i acutally paid for it
2015-05-10T16:50:59 < dongs> looking for pix
2015-05-10T16:51:18 < dongs> http://asumanga.sakura.ne.jp/kaiyodo/anaex/anaex.htm this has some of the stuff, my box was different tho
2015-05-10T16:52:29 < dongs> http://blog-imgs-27-origin.fc2.com/m/i/t/mitekita02/img01.jpg i think thats the box i had.
2015-05-10T16:54:51 < dongs> hm new goatsim is actually lame cuz you can fucking die in it
2015-05-10T16:54:53 < dongs> wtf is that hsit
2015-05-10T16:55:33 < PeterM> she wtf'd at the figures/dolls  i gave her  a one word explanation "japang"
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2015-05-10T17:03:49 < Laurenceb> http://asumanga.sakura.ne.jp/kaiyodo/anaex/ana12.jpg
2015-05-10T17:03:50 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-05-10T17:06:06 < dongs> .. yeah
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2015-05-10T17:14:58 < baird> https://i.imgur.com/7tgin.jpg
2015-05-10T17:16:29 < PeterM> baird lol'd
2015-05-10T17:17:05 < dongs> fucking aussies
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2015-05-10T17:18:04 < baird> The company has been getting away with that for a while. http://www.twocentsgroup.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/283984_420539191316753_303225975_n.jpg
2015-05-10T17:19:01 < baird> ..and it's a major bricks+mortar store here.
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2015-05-10T17:21:10 < dongs> haha, some random voice in goatsim
2015-05-10T17:21:16 < dongs> "i heard about this goat-see on the internet"
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2015-05-10T17:44:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5dWOEfv.jpg
2015-05-10T17:46:06 < Getty> lol
2015-05-10T17:46:53 < PeterM> is shopped or is real and hijacked?
2015-05-10T17:47:01 < dongs> hoping the latter
2015-05-10T17:47:22 < Steffanx> but its the internet so shopped
2015-05-10T17:47:32 < ReadError> lol thats in atlanta
2015-05-10T17:48:11 < dongs> 404 area code?
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2015-05-10T19:07:05 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/348qpJf.png
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2015-05-10T19:10:29 < mtbg> http://i.imgur.com/8ldjQ7F.jpg
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2015-05-10T19:14:16 < jpa-> mtbg: no, you did it wrong
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2015-05-10T21:02:47 < tr4nce> hi, i'm trying to see if it's possible to bypass the level-1 read protection on an STM32F030. some posts on my.st.com say that code in SRAM can read the flash content, but I wasn't able to do it
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2015-05-10T21:04:24 < tr4nce> don't know if this trick is supposed to work on this chip or if I didn't do it properly. has somebody else tried to bypass RDP?
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2015-05-10T21:53:37 < Laurenceb> tr4nce is a lover of electronic dance music?
2015-05-10T21:56:18 < _Sync_> sikk wobs
2015-05-10T21:56:26 < tr4nce> haha nope
2015-05-10T22:05:19 < upgrdman> computer controlled quads crash in sync... lol   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew_Ih779FwY
2015-05-10T22:07:49 < upgrdman> "A bug in the code dealing with the 802.15.4-communication between the copters caused the CAN-bus to freeze on all copters for two seconds. This, combined with another bug that was not visible before, made all of them give full throttle at once. This is our worst crash so far."
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2015-05-10T22:19:26 < ReadError> http://thenextdigit.com/21449/just-9-chip-smallest-raspberry-killer/
2015-05-10T22:19:34 < ReadError> 9$ lol
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2015-05-10T22:23:47 < Fleck> farcry from rpi killer
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2015-05-10T22:32:12 < gxti> when has anything called a 'killer' actually killed anything
2015-05-10T22:34:40 < BrainDamage> weed killer?
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2015-05-10T23:44:43 < kakimir> could you combine 3d printer, cnc machine and pick and place machine into one frame?
2015-05-10T23:45:49 < kakimir> too maker?
2015-05-10T23:46:38 < ReadError> ehh mechanically a PnP is much diff than a CNC
2015-05-10T23:46:44 < ReadError> you could easily do a laser + PnP
2015-05-10T23:47:21 < ReadError> and 3d printer i guess too
2015-05-10T23:47:45 < gxti> pretty sure someone has tried anyway
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2015-05-10T23:59:50 < kakimir> oh
2015-05-10T23:59:53 < kakimir> and laser too
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2015-05-11T00:00:13 < kakimir> I wonder if I should chose big or small
2015-05-11T00:00:31 < kakimir> using sourcing and facility producing
2015-05-11T00:00:32 < kakimir> or
2015-05-11T00:00:36 < kakimir> being a maker
2015-05-11T00:01:32 < kakimir> use my moneys to  build my own tools
2015-05-11T00:01:35 < kakimir> or
2015-05-11T00:01:53 < kakimir> use my moneys to develop a product
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2015-05-11T00:02:15 < BrainDamage> add a pony since you're there
2015-05-11T00:02:31 < kakimir> I like ponys
2015-05-11T00:02:47 < kakimir> not cartoon ponys but real ponys
2015-05-11T00:04:00 < kakimir> I become pony farmer
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2015-05-11T00:06:48 < kakimir> have you ever concidered building micro dam gerators?
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2015-05-11T00:09:07 < gxti> why not innovate instead of copying other dumb ideas
2015-05-11T00:09:25 < kakimir> yes
2015-05-11T00:10:09 < qyx_> yes, i did
2015-05-11T00:10:12 < qyx_> but no dam available
2015-05-11T00:10:19 < kakimir> it's not dumb idea having micro dams
2015-05-11T00:10:37 < kakimir> it settles water before lakes and such
2015-05-11T00:10:44 < kakimir> particles fall
2015-05-11T00:10:59 < kakimir> lakes have better water then
2015-05-11T00:11:11 < kakimir> + local electricity
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2015-05-11T00:12:45 < kakimir> I think local is hot now
2015-05-11T00:12:57 < MrMobius> whats the easiest way to compile for F4s with GCC?
2015-05-11T00:13:26 < MrMobius> I cant get make working with the file that used to be in the title of this channel
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2015-05-11T00:18:38 < MrMobius> Im trying to do it on Windows btw
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2015-05-11T00:19:32 < ReadError> > install keil
2015-05-11T00:19:33 < ReadError> ;p
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2015-05-11T01:09:03 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/YAfn5kX.gifv
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2015-05-11T01:29:34 < MrMobius> why are there 27 goddamn steps to make this work?
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2015-05-11T01:31:41 < inca> because... that's the freedom to do it 27! different wrong ways before the right way
2015-05-11T01:34:41 < ds2> because 26 steps wasn't enough
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2015-05-11T01:51:23 < kakimir> what does "keep strange hours" mean?
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2015-05-11T03:23:43 < dongs> inca: is that 27 factorial
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2015-05-11T03:37:36 < inca> dongs, yes
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2015-05-11T04:02:08 < englishman> kakimir it means you stay up til 5am on chats working on PCBs with crooked traces
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2015-05-11T04:06:01 < dongs> > on chats
2015-05-11T04:06:02 < dongs> > working
2015-05-11T04:07:57 < inca> sooo... can CubeMX link DMA M2M for external sdram?
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2015-05-11T04:34:19 < dongs> is sdram considered 'm' on 429?
2015-05-11T04:34:21 < dongs> or is it peripheral
2015-05-11T04:37:15 < dongs> http://www.cad-schroer.com/news-events/news-releases/linux-grows-as-free-cad-platform.html haha
2015-05-11T04:41:37 < dongs> Leticia Carter
2015-05-11T04:41:37 < dongs> Re: if you can open this email, you can get LAID
2015-05-11T04:41:42 < dongs> do I open it or not????
2015-05-11T04:48:44 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gingering
2015-05-11T04:50:24 < inca> dongs, 'm'?
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2015-05-11T04:51:56 < inca> damn... cubeMX doesn't let me link DMA easily... not enough User code comment blocks. bah
2015-05-11T04:53:07 < dongs> memory as opposed to peripheral
2015-05-11T04:53:38 < inca> it's both, I think.
2015-05-11T04:54:00 < inca> there's a HAL access, then memory... or is that the DMA?
2015-05-11T04:55:47 < inca> FMC does it. they are memory banks
2015-05-11T04:56:39 < inca> then probably don't need DMA, then, if FMC works...
2015-05-11T04:58:59 < inca> so then perhaps I ought to insert the SDRAM init sequence and find out
2015-05-11T05:03:52 < englishman> this is so perfect https://youtu.be/YNKfNP0GqMs?t=30s
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2015-05-11T05:17:32 < inca> nothing
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2015-05-11T05:22:38 < PeterM> upgrdman, nothing some spackle and paint won't fix
2015-05-11T05:32:08 < inca> so I'm hardfaulting when I attempt to read that memory access.
2015-05-11T05:32:37 < inca> in a parellel codebase, with for what I can tell is the same init code, this works
2015-05-11T06:04:47 < inca> clocks, gpio, hal... what am I missing here
2015-05-11T06:05:18 < upgrdman> PeterM, *nods*
2015-05-11T06:31:50 < inca> dongs, do you use the 429?
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2015-05-11T06:47:28 < inca> wow, CubeMX sucks
2015-05-11T06:48:23 < inca> almost as much as I do. I think that's enough abuse for tonight.
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2015-05-11T07:03:38 < dongs> how do pros do castellated vias in altidong
2015-05-11T07:46:11 < dongs> inca: no, just have the -disco
2015-05-11T08:08:39 < upgrdman> we should show this to kids that are learning how to ride a bike:  http://i.imgur.com/2k5h8qY.gif
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2015-05-11T09:29:40 < dongs> so gonna put a regular via/pad across keepout layer
2015-05-11T09:30:47 < stukdev> anybody got a issue with virtual com usb in stm32? sometimes i can't connect and i get error com locked, but i don't understand why
2015-05-11T09:32:19 < dongs> windows?
2015-05-11T09:32:24 < jpa-> stdperiph?
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2015-05-11T09:34:27 < stukdev> i'm connect with windows yes, but i don't thing is win related, i'm using icuve and coocox
2015-05-11T09:34:40 < stukdev> st cube*
2015-05-11T09:35:59 < dongs> it is windows related, if you have some app opening hte COM (like putty), if y ou debug and drop off vcom and reconnect, it'll start at another COM port cuz the old one is "in use"
2015-05-11T09:36:02 < dongs> until you quit them app
2015-05-11T09:36:33 < dongs> debug = reset mcu/disconnect from USB/reconnect
2015-05-11T09:37:38 < stukdev> dongs: this is a know issue, and yes i know the problem, but here the problem is sometimes when i turn of the board i can't connect on usb, the only way is to reflash with the same software..this is what i don't understand
2015-05-11T09:38:43 < stukdev> turn on the board*
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2015-05-11T10:08:29 < EnginA> I hava a stm32 vl with stm32f100rb chip on it. what is the stlink version on it? can I use it with openocd/mac? where could I have been access this information without getting on IRC?
2015-05-11T10:08:52 < jpa-> it is stlinkv1
2015-05-11T10:08:57 < jpa-> and yes, openocd works fine with it
2015-05-11T10:09:25 < jpa-> openocd information is black magic, it is kept out of public internet so that the evil overlords do not detect our rebellion
2015-05-11T10:09:48 < EnginA> openocd detects it (voltage etc) yet I couldn't download program into it
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2015-05-11T10:10:48 < EnginA> i've followed this http://www.davidrojas.co.uk/stm32f3discovery-on-mac-os-x-using-eclipse-gcc-arm-and-openocd/
2015-05-11T10:11:34 < EnginA> yet I only modified openocd configuration part to make it compatible with stm32f1x and stlinkv1 (I guessed it is v1 by usb pid)
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2015-05-11T10:15:25 < EnginA> this is what happens when I try to debug https://gist.github.com/engina/1ee78a0210d75609c5dd
2015-05-11T10:16:07 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1jiUeVycgk
2015-05-11T10:17:03 < jpa-> EnginA: try holding down reset button while connecting and then releasing it when the first openocd messages start scrolling
2015-05-11T10:17:33 < jpa-> stlinkv1 does not have a separate reset pin so it sometimes has trouble programming chips with empty flash or funny programs in it
2015-05-11T10:19:30 < dongs> oh
2015-05-11T10:21:31 < EnginA> didn't work
2015-05-11T10:21:37 < dongs> it should have
2015-05-11T10:22:16 < EnginA> I push RST, connect USB, run openocd, it shows breakpoints counts etc, then I release RST
2015-05-11T10:22:38 < EnginA> then when I hit debug in eclipse.. it shows the errors I've pasted above
2015-05-11T10:23:09 < dongs> no
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2015-05-11T10:23:23 < dongs> connect usb, push rst, run debug, quickly relese rst.
2015-05-11T10:23:47 < dongs> you want it to be under reset when it actually c onnects to the core
2015-05-11T10:24:01 < jpa-> you can also put "init" and "reset halt" in your script
2015-05-11T10:24:13 < jpa-> so it connects and halts immediately when openocd starts
2015-05-11T10:24:18 < EnginA> jpa it is in the commands section of eclipse
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2015-05-11T10:24:45 < jpa-> but eclipse commands run only after you press "debug" in eclipse.. so if you release reset button before that, it will not help
2015-05-11T10:24:52 < dongs> ^
2015-05-11T10:27:08 < EnginA> dongs: I've tried that with various timings with no success
2015-05-11T10:27:31 < jpa-> could be something totally else
2015-05-11T10:27:41 < jpa-> when PaulFertser wakes up, he will ask you for a -d3 log
2015-05-11T10:27:42 < dongs> has it worked before?
2015-05-11T10:27:54 < EnginA> dongs: no
2015-05-11T10:28:05 < EnginA> first time i'm trying this on a mac
2015-05-11T10:28:08 < dongs> you only have SWD connected right?
2015-05-11T10:28:09 < EnginA> it works in Parallels windows
2015-05-11T10:28:13 < dongs> i mean, not rest of jtag shit?
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2015-05-11T10:28:19 < dongs> and you switched it to swd mode?
2015-05-11T10:28:24 < jpa-> stlinkv1 on discovery doesn't even have jtag
2015-05-11T10:28:27 < EnginA> I don't have anything connected this is a discovery
2015-05-11T10:28:40 < dongs> yeah but i remember tehres some crap in openocd you have to change to make it use swd
2015-05-11T10:28:47 < dongs> duno if its relevant here tho
2015-05-11T10:29:15 < EnginA> hmm actually openocd errors are abour JTAG
2015-05-11T10:29:19 < EnginA> about*
2015-05-11T10:29:28 < dongs>   openocd -f interface/stlink-v2-1.cfg -c "transport select hla_swd" \
2015-05-11T10:29:28 < dongs>           -f target/stm32l0.cfg
2015-05-11T10:29:37 < dongs> ignore v2 part
2015-05-11T10:29:40 < dongs> but the transport thign.
2015-05-11T10:30:13 < jpa-> transport etc. seems to work fine as it gets the chip id
2015-05-11T10:30:42 < dongs> oh hm.
2015-05-11T10:30:46 < jpa-> the "jtag mode invalid" is what i often get when microcontroller goes to sleep or otherwise does not respond
2015-05-11T10:31:07 < dongs> so at "Info : device id = 0x10016420" it already read stuff out?
2015-05-11T10:31:37 < jpa-> yeah
2015-05-11T10:31:53 < jpa-> it made the initial connection, then somehow fails when it tries to reset or halt
2015-05-11T10:32:29 < KiwiTest> can you use Keil to compile for the F4? looks like there is no Lite version any more for ARM...
2015-05-11T10:32:37 < dongs> huh?
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2015-05-11T10:33:21 < dongs> MDK-Lite (32KB) Edition is available for download. It does not require a serial number or license key.
2015-05-11T10:33:27 < dongs> and yes, you can compile for F4 with it
2015-05-11T10:33:47 < dongs> you need either devicepack shit for the new v5 style or legacy cortex support pack + stdperiphlib/whatever you want
2015-05-11T10:33:52 < dongs> https://www.keil.com/demo/eval/arm.htm
2015-05-11T10:34:11 < MrMobius> 32kb limit on compiled filed?
2015-05-11T10:34:16 < dongs> 32k limit on linker
2015-05-11T10:34:24 < dongs> you can compile as big as you want
2015-05-11T10:34:30 < dongs> but if it links > 32k youre doomed
2015-05-11T10:35:39 < MrMobius> fine
2015-05-11T10:35:48 < MrMobius> I just want to compile blinky
2015-05-11T10:35:54 < EnginA> jpa-: the stlink LED blinks when openocd connects so I guess there's no interface problem, right?
2015-05-11T10:35:59 < MrMobius> without 27 goddamn steps and a 5 part tutorial for GCC
2015-05-11T10:36:09 < MrMobius> ST gets a fucking F for user friendliness
2015-05-11T10:36:29 < dongs> wut
2015-05-11T10:36:35 < dongs> with keil shit just worsk
2015-05-11T10:36:37 < EnginA> MrMobius: it would have worked just find if you've used their "supported" toolchain probably :/
2015-05-11T10:36:39 < dongs> it has nothign to do with ST
2015-05-11T10:37:19 < EnginA> during my professional career I've experienced that IAR had the best compiler for ARM -- is it still the same or things has changed after 2 years?
2015-05-11T10:37:19 < MrMobius> is Keil what Im supposed to use? There are 50 seperate listed pieces of software on the ST webpage
2015-05-11T10:37:55 < MrMobius> i just want one thing to install
2015-05-11T10:37:55 < EnginA> MrMobius: their site sucks -- i'd recommend IAR for the best compiler, you can use their Eclipse plugin for a decent IDE too (haven't tested that)
2015-05-11T10:38:00 < jpa-> EnginA: if there is a problem, it is between stlink and the microcontroller
2015-05-11T10:38:20 < EnginA> jpa-: hmm but it works on windows?
2015-05-11T10:38:23 < dongs> IAR ide is garbage
2015-05-11T10:38:28 < MrMobius> EnginA: yes their site sucks
2015-05-11T10:38:31 < EnginA> yup, IDE is garbage.
2015-05-11T10:38:40 < jpa-> EnginA: hmm, i wonder if it is a openocd bug then; ask PaulFertser 
2015-05-11T10:38:55 < MrMobius> Im fine with just command line compiling/linking. any recommendations for that?
2015-05-11T10:38:56 < EnginA> I've developed a firmware which resulted in 66kb size -- when I switched from gcc to IAR it was reduced to 55kb
2015-05-11T10:39:07 < dongs> EnginA: well, lol, thats not hard to do
2015-05-11T10:39:15 < dongs> keil compiles my firmware 10-20k smaller sure
2015-05-11T10:40:10 < jpa-> MrMobius: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+download  is the best gcc toolchain out there
2015-05-11T10:40:11 < EnginA> I haven't tried Keil in a serious setup -- so cannot comment on that
2015-05-11T10:40:36 < MrMobius> jpa-: I have that. How about a makefile for F4 and an example blinky?
2015-05-11T10:40:58 < jpa-> MrMobius: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example/   i have one for STM32F1 here
2015-05-11T10:41:06 < EnginA> jpa-: what do you think is the best way out of my problem right now? where should I look for answers?
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2015-05-11T10:41:32 < jpa-> EnginA: openocd mailing lists probably
2015-05-11T10:42:15 < jpa-> MrMobius: that example has bunch of other crap, but it also blinks :P
2015-05-11T10:43:04 < jpa-> MrMobius: chibios examples are a nice place to start also
2015-05-11T10:43:09 < talsit> i just received today a couple of the stm32f429 discoveries, but one has a busted touch screen
2015-05-11T10:43:23 < MrMobius> jpa-: and i can compile with just gcc and make if i want to?
2015-05-11T10:44:08 < jpa-> MrMobius: sure
2015-05-11T10:44:15 < jpa-> that's what i always do
2015-05-11T10:45:20 < MrMobius> jpa-: thanks
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2015-05-11T10:47:20 < MrMobius> http://i.imgur.com/1PqXyCn.png
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2015-05-11T10:52:46 < EnginA> jpa-: ok did that
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2015-05-11T10:52:49 < EnginA> thanks
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2015-05-11T11:20:47 < talsit> anyone played around with the stm32f429 discovery?
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2015-05-11T11:50:53 < dongs> yes, the guy who's been in here bitching about making it work
2015-05-11T11:50:55 < dongs> for hte last week+
2015-05-11T11:54:41 < dongs> hm cant figure out how ot make DRC ignore vias around kepeout layer
2015-05-11T11:56:41 < dongs> got it
2015-05-11T11:56:43 < dongs> allow short circuit
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2015-05-11T12:00:14 < EnginA> PaulFertser: ping
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2015-05-11T12:31:35 < PaulFertser> EnginA: pong
2015-05-11T12:33:26 < PaulFertser> EnginA: I do not see anything wrong in your paste, everything behaves as expected.
2015-05-11T12:33:46 < PaulFertser> EnginA: probably you want to add "reset halt" command to gdb-attach event handler.
2015-05-11T12:34:03 < PaulFertser> EnginA: or just "halt"
2015-05-11T12:34:11 < dongs> augenmass is amaze: http://i.imgur.com/nx5mi5M.jpg
2015-05-11T12:34:52 < PaulFertser> EnginA: but not everybody wants the target to get halted (or even reset) on attaching gdb, hence it's not default.
2015-05-11T12:35:18 < PaulFertser> EnginA: alternatively, just add "init; halt" to your openocd config or command line. If that's the behaviour you want.
2015-05-11T12:37:28 < PaulFertser> EnginA: for the time being, you also need to not use "reset_config srst_only" (remove it and it will default to none), but it'll be fixed in final 0.9.0 release.
2015-05-11T12:37:38 < jpa-> i wonder why it works for him on windows, if it doesn't work on mac os x
2015-05-11T12:37:40 < PaulFertser> As stlinkv1 doesn't work with srst for whatever reason.
2015-05-11T12:38:23 < PaulFertser> Different config, also his paste doesn't say anything meaningful, it's just that he tries attaching gdb to a running target and the flash memory is not getting examined so flash memory map is not generated and gdb doesn't get it.
2015-05-11T12:38:43 < PaulFertser> Probably he tried on windows after the target got stopped by whatever means earlier.
2015-05-11T12:39:04 < jpa-> could be
2015-05-11T12:39:27 < PaulFertser> Regarding srst and stlinkv1, it was reported just recently.
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2015-05-11T14:04:49 < EnginA> PaulFertser: I've added `-c "init; halt"` it helped easing gdb's pain, though still not working. investigating
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2015-05-11T14:06:46 < PaulFertser> EnginA: share more logs then ;)
2015-05-11T14:07:43 < EnginA> first of all I couldn't find where to remove "reset_config srst_only"
2015-05-11T14:07:53 < EnginA> I've checked my config and all the configes recursively sourced
2015-05-11T14:07:57 < EnginA> it is not in there
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2015-05-11T14:08:36 < EnginA> I see them in some stm32 configs but not mine afai can tell
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2015-05-11T14:08:53 < PaulFertser> EnginA: clearly in the board config
2015-05-11T14:09:12 < EnginA> yes, that's where i could grepped them
2015-05-11T14:09:13 < PaulFertser> EnginA: or you're using another set of configs now, not the same one as the -d3 log you showed.
2015-05-11T14:11:29 < EnginA> did you see my post in the mailing list?
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2015-05-11T14:16:59 < EnginA> aha
2015-05-11T14:17:22 < EnginA> I found it in MY (top) level config file :)
2015-05-11T14:17:30 < EnginA> not in the openocd distributed files
2015-05-11T14:17:42 < EnginA> ok looks like there's a huge progress as I can step in the code etc
2015-05-11T14:17:48 < EnginA> yet it looks like it keeps resetting
2015-05-11T14:19:42 < EnginA> aha... I think it is code related... looks like working.
2015-05-11T14:19:44 < EnginA> thank you very much
2015-05-11T14:19:48 < EnginA> what was the problem though?
2015-05-11T14:23:47 < PaulFertser> EnginA: which one?
2015-05-11T14:23:55 < PaulFertser> EnginA: with srst or with "halt"?
2015-05-11T14:24:11 < PaulFertser> EnginA: both are explained above, please see the backlog
2015-05-11T14:38:43 < zyp> dongs, what was it you said about availability of stm32f427vi?
2015-05-11T14:38:59 < zyp> it sounds like people really want the 2MB flash
2015-05-11T14:39:40 < zyp> the thing is running a webserver, so flash contains a filesystem of static files that consumes a couple hundred kb
2015-05-11T14:39:55 < zyp> everything fits in 1MB flash, once
2015-05-11T14:40:22 < dongs> ah
2015-05-11T14:40:23 < zyp> but people want it to fit twice, to have an extra copy around when doing remote upgrades
2015-05-11T14:40:35 < dongs> um, its agvialable but I think not amazing price
2015-05-11T14:41:06 < dongs> ~$9/ea
2015-05-11T14:41:08 < zyp> I'm not paying, so that's not my problem, I just need to know how much that adds to BOM
2015-05-11T14:41:25 < dongs> er that was 427vg
2015-05-11T14:41:29 < dongs> is vi = even more flash?
2015-05-11T14:41:32 < ReadError> http://thenextdigit.com/21449/just-9-chip-smallest-raspberry-killer/
2015-05-11T14:41:35 < ReadError> seen this dongs
2015-05-11T14:41:39 < zyp> g = 1MB, i = 2MB
2015-05-11T14:42:01 < dongs> i'd hae to ask tomrorw
2015-05-11T14:42:15 < dongs> zyp, why  do they need two copies of >data<
2015-05-11T14:42:20 < zyp> I see both mouser and digikey got it for $15.44@10, $13@100
2015-05-11T14:42:24 < dongs> just partition the flash??
2015-05-11T14:42:34 < dongs> keep the webshite in a separate block of crap
2015-05-11T14:42:43 < dongs> you shoulda added a so-8 spi flash on board
2015-05-11T14:42:52 < dongs> its cheap for like 16-32mbit
2015-05-11T14:42:57 < dongs> for this kinda crap
2015-05-11T14:42:59 < dongs> TOO LATE NOW THO
2015-05-11T14:42:59 < zyp> yeah, I think old avr32 shit had that
2015-05-11T14:43:19 < zyp> I just thought «fuck that, 1MB internal should be plenty»
2015-05-11T14:43:46 < Laurenceb__> ngw100 ftw
2015-05-11T14:44:39 < ReadError> lol i have one of those
2015-05-11T14:44:48 < Laurenceb__> https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:report.pdf
2015-05-11T14:45:31 < zyp> apparently somebody is going to call me about this, so I guess I'll just use mouser prices as a baseline then
2015-05-11T14:45:36 < Laurenceb__> https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:report_v4.pdf
2015-05-11T14:45:44 < Laurenceb__> less lame version lol
2015-05-11T14:45:57 < zyp> I suspect they want to do another qty12 run with 2MB parts
2015-05-11T14:47:41 < dongs> whatever works :)
2015-05-11T14:47:47 < dongs> i should send a bill for hte firs 12, too
2015-05-11T14:47:52 < dongs> btw, as i said
2015-05-11T14:48:01 < dongs> why not partition flash, doenst sound like webserver shit needs to be updated??
2015-05-11T14:48:51 < zyp> we've already went over that before, IIRC there's still not enough room, and webserver shit _can_ be updated
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2015-05-11T14:51:40 < stukdev> stm32 have a default bootloader?
2015-05-11T14:52:28 < zyp> yep
2015-05-11T14:52:35 < zyp> read AN2606 for details
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2015-05-11T14:56:59 < stukdev> zyp: thanks
2015-05-11T15:07:28 < tr4nce> anybody uses SWD with buspirate to talk to a STM32?
2015-05-11T15:08:17 < dongs> not sure why anyone would want to waste time like that
2015-05-11T15:08:37 < dongs> chinese stlinks are $3/ea and there's always jlink/ulink/etc if youre pro
2015-05-11T15:08:58 < dongs> i got a buttpirate and i turned it on like once
2015-05-11T15:09:09 < dongs> noticed it had a PIC on it, lost interest immediately
2015-05-11T15:10:17 < tr4nce> i know, but that's the only thing i have right now :)
2015-05-11T15:11:19 < tr4nce> https://github.com/pfalcon/PySWD works pretty well but i was wondering if there's something better, like a proper SWD support in OpenOCD (with Buspirate)
2015-05-11T15:13:20 < tr4nce> i'm trying to see if the flash read protection of STM32 can be bypassed in some way
2015-05-11T15:15:27 < tr4nce> found posts saying that it might be doable, but can't find how
2015-05-11T15:19:08 < zyp> I tried that once myself, but I didn't have any luck
2015-05-11T15:21:07 < tr4nce> me neither. tried many things like loading code in RAM and try to dump or jump to the flash from there, but I get HardFaults everytime
2015-05-11T15:21:56 < zyp> yeah, what I observed is that as soon as you attach to swd, all access to the flash is blocked off until reset
2015-05-11T15:22:00 < tr4nce> I can't even debug the chip while RDP is on; I can halt the core and inspect RAM/registers, but as soon as I try to resume execution on the flash, a HardFault is generated
2015-05-11T15:22:18 < zyp> yes, it'll hardfault because it can't read code from the flash anymore
2015-05-11T15:22:33 < tr4nce> but until when is it blocked? a local reset doesn't seem to be enough
2015-05-11T15:22:43 < ReadError> programming a PIC is so retarded
2015-05-11T15:22:46 < ReadError> 13v??
2015-05-11T15:22:48 < zyp> a full chip reset, I assume
2015-05-11T15:23:15 < zyp> I tried DMA as well, DMA can't access the flash either when it's blocked off
2015-05-11T15:23:39 < tr4nce> I even tried to power off or reset the SWD-DP port, but same
2015-05-11T15:25:07 < tr4nce> I can read the IDCODE of the DP or MEM-AP through SWD without breaking anything, but as soon as i read RAM or halt the core, the flash can't be read anymore
2015-05-11T15:25:28 < zyp> what I didn't try was to load code through the built-in bootloader instead
2015-05-11T15:25:33 < tr4nce> I don't know how the STM32 detects that a debugger is present
2015-05-11T15:25:59 < zyp> but I suspect that's taken care of as well
2015-05-11T15:26:01 < tr4nce> load code into RAM?
2015-05-11T15:26:06 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-11T15:26:13 < tr4nce> but how would you execute it then?
2015-05-11T15:26:21 < tr4nce> through the "go" command?
2015-05-11T15:26:31 < zyp> maybe, I don't remember the bootloader protocol
2015-05-11T15:26:49 < zyp> you could always reset with boot0 and boot1 both high
2015-05-11T15:27:01 < zyp> that should start execution from ram instead of flash
2015-05-11T15:27:08 < zyp> and reset shouldn't destroy ram content
2015-05-11T15:27:08 < tr4nce> yes, haven't tried that yet
2015-05-11T15:27:34 < zyp> but I suspect that anything but boot0 low will also block off the flash
2015-05-11T15:27:58 < tr4nce> i dumped the bootloader code and disassembled it, hoping to find some kind of vulnerability/backdoor, but nothing
2015-05-11T15:28:29 < zyp> my chip had boot0 soldered directly to ground, and I didn't care to modify the board, so I just did a full chip erase which removes all protections and loaded my own firmware onto it
2015-05-11T15:28:40 < tr4nce> the ST docs state that flash is also disabled when booting from RAM, but folks on the forum say that it's not. it's worth a try
2015-05-11T15:28:56 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-11T15:29:03 < zyp> too late in my case though :)
2015-05-11T15:29:27 < tr4nce> i can access boot0 from mine, will try soon
2015-05-11T15:29:38 < zyp> let me know how that goes
2015-05-11T15:30:09 < tr4nce> no problem :)
2015-05-11T15:31:05 < tr4nce> but i'm not sure how to do a full reset
2015-05-11T15:31:40 < tr4nce> without powering off the board (and loose RAM content)
2015-05-11T15:33:54 < Laurenceb__> http://38.media.tumblr.com/8d89847dd7019d48dff2492bd08e6a62/tumblr_inline_mtnin9qm211qctkcl.jpg
2015-05-11T15:34:55 < Laurenceb__> http://33.media.tumblr.com/a5e48bd02a52b60a387cf490127f1cb8/tumblr_inline_mt8shtDQk11qctkcl.jpg
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2015-05-11T15:43:23 < zyp> tr4nce, SYSRESETREQ should do
2015-05-11T15:43:32 < zyp> or just pulse the nrst pin
2015-05-11T15:43:58 < dongs> Laurenceb__: lol'd at 2nd one
2015-05-11T15:45:53 < tr4nce> zyp, SYSRESETREQ triggers a local reset i think (but maybe it's enough)
2015-05-11T15:47:26 < zyp> no, it does a full chip reset
2015-05-11T15:47:34 < zyp> it even pulses srst for you
2015-05-11T15:48:09 < tr4nce> ok, good to know
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2015-05-11T17:10:30 < mitrax> i connected a supercapacitor on the VBAT pin of my STM32, i use a pin / interrupt to detect when the power supply goes off and from that point i have about 1 sec left before the 3V dies, i only want to maintain the RTC clock and shutdown the core gracefully. What power mode should i enter? stop / standby?
2015-05-11T17:11:06 < dongs> none
2015-05-11T17:11:10 < dongs> just let it die
2015-05-11T17:11:21 < dongs> the whole point of vbat is to keep that circuit running.
2015-05-11T17:11:57 < dongs> define "gracefully" anyway
2015-05-11T17:12:11 < dongs> just do whatever stuff you need to close/whatever on your firmware and just let it power off by itself.
2015-05-11T17:13:15 < mitrax> ok :) thanks
2015-05-11T17:17:34 < stukdev> i've strange problem with spi and stm32...i send 16 bits...but with oscilloscope i see only the second 8bit...not the first...any hint?
2015-05-11T17:19:18 < zyp> are you writing 8 bits at a time without waiting for TXE in between?
2015-05-11T17:20:04 < zyp> or are you writing 16 bits at once, with the peripheral configured for 8 bit operation?
2015-05-11T17:20:10 < stukdev> second
2015-05-11T17:20:21 < stukdev> but spi is configured for 16bit
2015-05-11T17:20:38 < zyp> no, it's not
2015-05-11T17:20:53 < zyp> if it's configured for 16 bits, you're getting 16 bits
2015-05-11T17:21:49 < stukdev> i got 16 bit of clock...so its configured for 16
2015-05-11T17:21:59 < zyp> okay
2015-05-11T17:22:08 < zyp> and you're writing what?
2015-05-11T17:22:13 < zyp> and what shows up on the scope?
2015-05-11T17:23:06 < stukdev> zyp:  i can write everything, but the first 8 is always 0, the second is correctly
2015-05-11T17:23:17 < dongs> are you using stderpiphlib?
2015-05-11T17:23:20 < zyp> what is first and second?
2015-05-11T17:23:25 < dongs> i think SPI_Write() casts to uint8
2015-05-11T17:23:28 < dongs> if i remember
2015-05-11T17:23:41 < stukdev> mmm oh...i'm using hal
2015-05-11T17:23:46 < dongs> look what it does.
2015-05-11T17:23:53 < stukdev> HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive
2015-05-11T17:24:00 < dongs> yeah, so look at the sores
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2015-05-11T17:33:05 < stukdev> the problem is here hspi->Instance->DR = *((uint16_t*)hspi->pTxBuffPtr);
2015-05-11T17:34:46 < stukdev> if i set DR = 0x1234; i don't get the correct value
2015-05-11T17:37:17 < zyp> so what's DR declared as?
2015-05-11T17:40:18 < stukdev> __IO uint32_t DR;
2015-05-11T17:42:11 < zyp> which chip is this?
2015-05-11T17:42:39 < stukdev> stm32f4
2015-05-11T17:42:52 < zyp> should be fine then
2015-05-11T17:43:20 < zyp> you must be doing something wrong elsewhere
2015-05-11T17:45:18 < stukdev> if (HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive(pHandleSPI, (uint8 *)&spi_inp.tx[0], (uint8 *)&spi_inp.rx[0], 1, 100) == HAL_OK)
2015-05-11T17:45:25 < stukdev> maybe the size is incorrect
2015-05-11T17:45:58 < zyp> what's with all the casting?
2015-05-11T17:47:15 < stukdev> zyp: uint8 tx[3];
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2015-05-11T17:57:42 < kakimir> you can trick yourself you are working when you chat
2015-05-11T17:57:50 < kakimir> when actually nothing happens
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2015-05-11T18:24:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbzlFa2FGOENVLVU/view?usp=sharing pi addition board... why I do this..
2015-05-11T18:24:51 < kakimir> it has level shifting for i2c and rtc
2015-05-11T18:25:03 < kakimir> buck for 5v and 3v3
2015-05-11T18:25:37 < dongs> hurry the fuck up and dickstart it
2015-05-11T18:26:05 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-05-11T18:26:10 < kakimir> no way
2015-05-11T18:26:18 < zyp> that looks about useless enough to be a successful kickstarter
2015-05-11T18:26:19 < Laurenceb__> i should make a datalogger with i2c breakout
2015-05-11T18:26:48 < kakimir> and see how dc plug actually floats
2015-05-11T18:27:10 < Laurenceb__> tom66 mode
2015-05-11T18:27:17 < zyp> all the vias makes it look like it's designed for hardcore rf
2015-05-11T18:27:37 < dongs> that fucking barrel plug
2015-05-11T18:27:38 < dongs> is like
2015-05-11T18:27:40 < dongs> wtf
2015-05-11T18:27:44 < dongs> floating over the pcb
2015-05-11T18:27:47 < dongs> 'super pro
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2015-05-11T18:51:58 < mitrax> on the STM32F429 discovery board do i need to do anything special to be able to use the RTC clock?
2015-05-11T19:03:31 < mitrax> i assumed that since there's no 32Khz xtal oscillator it's configured by default to use the internal RC oscillator
2015-05-11T19:05:51 < kakimir> deflux recommendations?
2015-05-11T19:06:39 < kakimir> stuff I have used is not powerful enougth
2015-05-11T19:08:58 < kakimir> mitrax: learn datasheet
2015-05-11T19:09:42 < kakimir> and get into it
2015-05-11T19:10:27 < englishman> intel atom in easy to solder qfp http://img.banggood.com/images/upload/2014/04/w64/14.jpg
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2015-05-11T19:14:01 < mitrax> kakimir: well according to the board datasheet it seems to be configured to use the internal oscillator, but the RTC fails to initialize
2015-05-11T19:16:19 < gxti> englishman: ok but where's the mil-spec CDIP
2015-05-11T19:22:23 < Bright> englishman: there's also no space for it on the board it's hovering above
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2015-05-11T19:25:41 < englishman> im sure the chinese would hotglue it on and greenwire every pin
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2015-05-11T19:59:25 < kakimir> mitrax: you use cmsis initialization for device?
2015-05-11T20:01:26 < Steffanx> y no cooling at ethernet usb thingy of the rpi, that part gets hot too!
2015-05-11T20:01:29 < Steffanx> mr kakimir ?
2015-05-11T20:01:55 < Steffanx> what are you recording with the camera?
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2015-05-11T20:14:30 < kakimir> those are generally cheap cameras
2015-05-11T20:14:37 < kakimir> I plan to connect it to fpga
2015-05-11T20:15:19 < kakimir> did you know that rpi has capacitive sensing?
2015-05-11T20:15:37 < kakimir> touch that ethernet chip with finger and whole thing freezes
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2015-05-11T20:17:22 < PaulFertser> EnginA: please post an update mail to the ML so that the others would learn the cause and the solution.
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2015-05-11T21:18:07 < mitrax> kakimir: (re my RTC clock problem) i use STM32Cube HAL library, when i derive the clock from HSE and use it as clock source for the RTC it succeeds, otherwise it timeouts when polling for the RTC ISR register INITF flag
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2015-05-11T21:29:35 < Steffanx> did you enable the lsi and stuff mitrax?
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2015-05-11T21:31:57 < mitrax> Steffanx: *cough* erm... well ok i did now :)
2015-05-11T21:32:13 < mitrax> that should help
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2015-05-11T22:09:46 < kakimir> http://fi.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Techspray/1638-54G/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvJqaFk9BIivz97Mkiy9G9ykN%2fNGMSxnUs%3d I wound my deflux
2015-05-11T22:09:49 < kakimir> *found
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2015-05-12T01:00:57 < TheSeven> hm, I'm observing some weird behavior with the F0 usb core again
2015-05-12T01:01:56 < TheSeven> there's that LP_MODE flag that's supposed to reduce power consumption while still being able to detect a wakeup sequence
2015-05-12T01:02:08 < TheSeven> however, if I enable that, the core fails to detect wakeups, and only detects resets
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2015-05-12T01:10:16 < TheSeven> errata only says that battery charger detection might fail below -20°C, doubt that's related ;)
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2015-05-12T01:13:39 < TheSeven> hm... interesting
2015-05-12T01:13:59 < TheSeven> apparently one may not set both FSUSP and LP_MODE in the same register write access
2015-05-12T01:14:23 < TheSeven> setting FSUSP, then LP_MODE immediately afterwards, but in a second access, seems to fix it
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2015-05-12T02:34:56 < MrMobius> Any opinions on OpenSTM32?
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2015-05-12T02:47:09 < Bright> http://www.clickhole.com/article/hacktivism-gone-too-far-anonymous-just-leaked-pres-2409
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2015-05-12T03:11:41 < MrMobius> Im looking at this for Keil http://www.keil.com/appnotes/files/apnt_230.pdf
2015-05-12T03:11:49 < MrMobius> any idea why there is no Blinky in 5.14?
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2015-05-12T05:33:04 < dongs> PeterM: china fucking delivered
2015-05-12T05:33:11 < dongs> USB bank exactly as pictured
2015-05-12T05:33:16 < dongs> even has superfast! on it
2015-05-12T05:35:24 < dongs> MrMobius: what are you looking for, what 'blinky'?
2015-05-12T05:36:09 < dongs> didyou install F4 device pack
2015-05-12T05:36:16 < dongs> and  f4-disco deevice pack or hwatever
2015-05-12T05:36:22 < dongs> that stuff will bring in local examples
2015-05-12T05:40:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0bugsQ3.jpg
2015-05-12T05:42:05 < MrMobius> dongs, right. its just that they had a plain old blinky which is gone now and another blinky based on their RTOS trash
2015-05-12T05:42:30 < dongs> MrMobius: if you want hte plain old blinky, install legacy cortex pack
2015-05-12T05:42:41 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/legacy/
2015-05-12T05:42:55 < dongs> that has the pre-devicepack-pre-rtos shit from keil 4.x
2015-05-12T05:50:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cFtp1aK.jpg
2015-05-12T06:06:08 < PeterM> dongs nice, now try pull 8 amps frm it and see if it smokes, superfast
2015-05-12T06:06:59 < PeterM> also, lol "off the charts power!"
2015-05-12T06:07:15 < PeterM> english on it is surprisingly good
2015-05-12T06:09:04 < dongs> hehe
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2015-05-12T09:59:43 < dongs> lack of chats today
2015-05-12T09:59:43 < dongs> whats up
2015-05-12T10:01:23 < emeb_mac> tha sky bro
2015-05-12T10:01:44 < emeb_mac> waiting for prototype PCBs to show up in the mail
2015-05-12T10:02:12 < dongs>  /* #warning "No compass = less profit for Invensense. Lame." */
2015-05-12T10:02:18 < dongs> ^ official invensense sores
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2015-05-12T10:36:56 < stukdev> is this http://bit.ly/1H0jpDc not commit to the development? i got an issue qit usb and solve with this workaround
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2015-05-12T10:55:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MODsvqE.jpg 38*2tb
2015-05-12T10:55:04 < dongs> ~25kg
2015-05-12T10:55:29 < specing> that is not how you pack HDDs
2015-05-12T10:57:09 < dongs> hey, it was a perfect fit
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2015-05-12T11:07:08 < mitrax> can the LSI RC oscillator keep running on the STM32 when it's only powered through VBAT? or do i have to use LSE ?
2015-05-12T11:07:44 < mitrax> (i want to maintain the RTC clock)
2015-05-12T11:10:16 < Cyric> guys why i get this error when i try to shft a register Owire.c:67:31: error: invalid operands to binary >> (have 'volatile uint32_t *' and 'uint32_t')
2015-05-12T11:10:31 < mitrax> ah i guess not ... "Be aware that LSI is not in the backup power domain"
2015-05-12T11:10:47 < Cyric> i have this instruction
2015-05-12T11:10:50 < Cyric> CRLT = ((&GPIOx->MODER>> k) & 0x01);
2015-05-12T11:12:01 < jpa-> Cyric: because you are shifting a pointer
2015-05-12T11:12:07 < jpa-> not the value of the register
2015-05-12T11:13:30 < Cyric> oh you are right... thanks jpa-
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2015-05-12T11:16:19 < Cyric> i was tring to port the DALLAS onewire library (found on internet) from the F version to the L version but is not worth... probably is faster to rewrite them from the beninning...
2015-05-12T11:16:35 < specing> heh
2015-05-12T11:16:55 < Cyric> there are so many register that are different..
2015-05-12T11:17:44 < Cyric> for example the CRL and CRH in the F version have been replaced with the OSPEEDR and MODR
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2015-05-12T11:19:13 < jpa-> yes, GPIO control is pretty different
2015-05-12T11:19:30 < jpa-> would make sense that they would just have a few functions to separate that layer from other logic
2015-05-12T11:20:11 < Cyric> i was tring to cheat the code by "recreating" the CRL and CRH registers
2015-05-12T11:20:48 < jpa-> yeah, not worth it
2015-05-12T11:21:02 < jpa-> why does it have to do that much messing around anyway?
2015-05-12T11:21:17 < jpa-> AFAIK it could just configure it to open-drain output once and let it be
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2015-05-12T11:22:28 < Cyric> i downloaded the f version form the forum here https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/DispForm.aspx?ID=27035&Source=/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Tags.aspx?tags=1wire
2015-05-12T11:22:46 < Cyric> and i noticed that actually they have been ported from the arduino version...
2015-05-12T11:23:39 < Cyric> i just need to read one temp sensors... but it seems that there are CRC checks, involved and other messy functions
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2015-05-12T11:28:37 < jpa-> Cyric: i have my implementation of the onewire search & crc functions here: https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/openwrt/monitord/onewire.c
2015-05-12T11:29:03 < jpa-> basically you'd need to change the stuff below "1-wire bus access functions" so that it wiggles the gpio instead of speaking to i2c
2015-05-12T11:36:27 < Cyric> thanks jpa- i will give a look at it
2015-05-12T11:38:30 < Cyric> jpa-: but is onewire and i2c compatible?
2015-05-12T11:38:47 < Cyric> i mean you are using the same i2c read for the one wire
2015-05-12T11:39:23 < jpa-> i'm using DS2482, which is I2C-conneted 1-wire adapter
2015-05-12T11:40:09 < jpa-> it mostly just provides commands for "write bits to 1-wire" and "read bits from 1-wire"
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2015-05-12T11:47:02 < Cyric> ok ok thanks
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2015-05-12T11:57:23 < stukdev> someone have issue with stm32f4 and hal spi?
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2015-05-12T12:04:26 < dongs> nope, did you look at the sores like i told you yesterday?
2015-05-12T12:08:51 < stukdev> dongs: yes
2015-05-12T12:08:59 < dongs> and
2015-05-12T12:09:02 < dongs> what was the result of that inspection
2015-05-12T12:09:11 < stukdev> and nothing its put out wrong byte
2015-05-12T12:09:37 < stukdev> HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive() looking from .net what i don't understand is the meaning of Size parameter in that function
2015-05-12T12:10:43 < stukdev> doc says Size: amount of data to be sent , but someone use size for number of byte to sent + number of byte to receive
2015-05-12T12:11:05 < dongs> its pretty fucking obvious you didn't actuyally look at source of HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive()
2015-05-12T12:11:14 < dongs> because if you did, you would know what the parameter does!
2015-05-12T12:11:22 < jpa-> in spi, the number of transmitted bytes is always the same as the number of received bytes
2015-05-12T12:12:00 < stukdev> its bla bla bla
2015-05-12T12:12:01 < stukdev>  hspi->RxXferSize  = Size;
2015-05-12T12:12:01 < stukdev>     hspi->RxXferCount = Size;
2015-05-12T12:12:17 < dongs> i thougth the problem was sending 8bit instead of 16
2015-05-12T12:12:17 < stukdev> i see that the size is set on rx and tx buffer as the same
2015-05-12T12:12:25 < c10ud> size is in 8bit words looking at the code
2015-05-12T12:12:54 < stukdev> HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive(SPI_HandleTypeDef *hspi, uint8_t *pTxData, uint8_t *pRxData, uint16_t Size, uint32_t Timeout)
2015-05-12T12:13:01 < stukdev> its 16 bit
2015-05-12T12:13:38 < c10ud> yes, 16 bit var counting 8bit words
2015-05-12T12:15:56 < stukdev> i'm using if (HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive(pHandleSPI, (uint8 *)&spi_out.tx[0], (uint8 *)&spi_out.rx[0], 1, 100) == HAL_OK)
2015-05-12T12:16:01 < stukdev> i set size 1
2015-05-12T12:16:12 < stukdev> for send 16 bit
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2015-05-12T12:19:32 < c10ud> as far as i see it it's size 2 for 16bit mode
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2015-05-12T12:24:30 < zyp> «Join our free STM32F7 hands-on workshop.»
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2015-05-12T12:24:50 < zyp> so F7-disco will be available soon
2015-05-12T12:25:02 < dongs> hangs-on
2015-05-12T12:25:03 < dongs> what will be on it
2015-05-12T12:25:21 < zyp> dunno
2015-05-12T12:25:35 < jpa-> hands on dongs
2015-05-12T12:25:54 < dongs> only has retardeed packages
2015-05-12T12:26:43 < stukdev> i set array uint8[4] like {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04} and send with size 2, i see on oscilloscope the value 0x00,0x04,0x02,0x01
2015-05-12T12:27:50 < dongs> have you tried havign an array of 0xaaaa, 0x5555,
2015-05-12T12:27:54 < jpa-> can F7 memory map the quad spi flash?
2015-05-12T12:29:00 < stukdev> dongs: yes, the first byte is always 0
2015-05-12T12:29:53 < c10ud> if you send with size 2 i hardly see how can it send 4 bytes
2015-05-12T12:31:39 < zyp> jpa-, I suspect so, looks like quadspi is it's own slave on the ahb matrix
2015-05-12T12:31:57 < stukdev> c10ud: 2 bytes*
2015-05-12T12:32:16 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, would be nice, and would give some purpose to the caches
2015-05-12T12:32:33 < zyp> it's sitting right next to the FMC in the block diagrams
2015-05-12T12:32:42 < Laurenceb__> jpa-: can't you use usart for onewire or something?
2015-05-12T12:32:52 < Laurenceb__> iirc there in an avr app note that does that
2015-05-12T12:33:07 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: yeah
2015-05-12T12:33:25 < zyp> jpa-, ah, data brief explicitly states «Memory mapped mode» as well
2015-05-12T12:33:25 < jpa-> though you could also use timers
2015-05-12T12:33:33 < jpa-> or you can just be lazy and wiggle gpios :P
2015-05-12T12:33:42 < Laurenceb__> or use ur mum
2015-05-12T12:33:54 < zyp> Up to 256 Mbytes external flash are memory mapped, supporting 8, 16 and 32-bit access.
2015-05-12T12:33:57 < zyp> Code execution is supported.
2015-05-12T12:34:14 < zyp> The opcode and the frame format are fully programmable. Communication can be either in
2015-05-12T12:34:17 < zyp> Single Data Rate or Dual Data Rate.
2015-05-12T12:34:24 < jpa-> now if there just was a quad spi ram also :P
2015-05-12T12:41:18 < c10ud> stukdev, the size of your array is 4
2015-05-12T12:41:36 < stukdev> c10ud: its 16bit configured spi
2015-05-12T12:46:32 < c10ud> oh, then counting is done as 16bit while ptr is treated as 8bit, get rid of 16bit mode then, for startes
2015-05-12T12:46:35 < c10ud> starters*
2015-05-12T12:48:23 < c10ud> also your timeout is kind of low for testing purposes imo
2015-05-12T12:49:13 < stukdev> c10ud: what? the spi is configured for 16bit mode, so it do hspi->pRxBuffPtr+=2; and its correct, timeout is not a problem, the function return HAL_OK, so no error
2015-05-12T12:49:59 < stukdev> c10ud: and i can't use 8 bit, becouse the slave use 16 bit mode
2015-05-12T12:52:19 < c10ud> do you have any interrupts enabled?
2015-05-12T12:52:46 < jpa-> stukdev: how does the slave know if you sent one 16-bit word or two 8-bit ones? :)
2015-05-12T12:53:30 < stukdev> jpa-: its a chip that want 16 bit, and use 2 send from 8 cause timing error
2015-05-12T12:54:42 < jpa-> umm, timing error how?
2015-05-12T12:54:46 < jpa-> spi is master-synchronous
2015-05-12T12:59:10 < stukdev> but its the same using 8 bit mode
2015-05-12T12:59:16 < stukdev> the first byte is always 0
2015-05-12T12:59:20 < stukdev> don't know why
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2015-05-12T13:21:13 < dongs> Where are the sample shots that were apparently being taken? It has certainly been decided upon by now. Considering this was marketed as a "selfie drone" you would think the camera would be quite an important part of the device yet a month out from shipping and we know nothing.
2015-05-12T13:21:18 < dongs>  Its a shame how little information we have gotten as time has gone on. I dont wan't to be cynical but there has to be a reason for not showing the video and pictures, its not something you would forget to do, especially considering this thread has been around for over 2 weeks and has been completly ignored yet the team members have each logged in several times since then.
2015-05-12T13:25:12 < jpa-> lol do they still claim they'll ship in a month?
2015-05-12T13:25:33 < _Sync_> > implying they will ship
2015-05-12T13:25:46 < jpa-> not implying anything
2015-05-12T13:26:14 < jpa-> just that they'll not ship in a month, but i'm surprised they haven't announced some "unexpected delays" yet
2015-05-12T13:26:23 < _Sync_> yeah
2015-05-12T13:26:57 < _Sync_> http://www.kvh.com/Commercial-and-OEM/Gyros-and-Inertial-Systems-and-Compasses/Gyros-and-IMUs-and-INS/Fiber-Optic-Gyros/DSP-1760.aspx that's actually not bad!
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2015-05-12T13:30:36 < dongs> jpa, yes they're 100% on schedule
2015-05-12T13:30:39 < dongs> to ship in june
2015-05-12T13:30:41 < dongs> by their own words
2015-05-12T13:30:50 < jpa-> luls
2015-05-12T13:31:07 < jpa-> so they've already enroute to their hideaway
2015-05-12T13:33:32 < dongs> i have no idea
2015-05-12T13:33:40 < dongs> i talked to the arstechnica dude who visited thier offices few weeks ago
2015-05-12T13:33:45 < dongs> as in on the phone
2015-05-12T13:33:58 < dongs> and he said there was like 20-30 "people" there "looking busy"
2015-05-12T13:34:03 < dongs> they showed him some pcbs
2015-05-12T13:34:06 < dongs> but wouldnt fly it
2015-05-12T13:34:14 < jpa-> sounds normal, i'm also here just looking busy
2015-05-12T13:34:20 < dongs> haha
2015-05-12T13:34:21 < dongs> right
2015-05-12T13:34:51 < dongs> i mean if they're planning to ship something like 10k things by june
2015-05-12T13:34:56 < dongs> they should already have them all assembled
2015-05-12T13:34:59 < dongs> at this point
2015-05-12T13:35:09 < dongs> they're still dicking with resistors on pcb
2015-05-12T13:35:26 < jpa-> well, atleast they should have a final prototype assembled and fully working :P
2015-05-12T13:35:29 < dongs> v1.3 also provides 8% higher peak radiated intensity from the obstacle avoidance systems, this will result in even more sensitive sensing.
2015-05-12T13:35:40 < dongs> translation: we deecreased resistor going to IR led
2015-05-12T13:35:51 < jpa-> hey i've been there done that
2015-05-12T13:35:52 < dongs> so amaze
2015-05-12T13:36:00 < jpa-> i got 100% higher sensitivity sensing
2015-05-12T13:37:09 < dongs> http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/news/compnews/6041.html allwhiner even has an action camera SoC
2015-05-12T13:37:16 < dongs> i guess trhy're trying to compete with ambareela etc
2015-05-12T13:37:22 < dongs> and novataek and whatever otehr chink trashes make camera stuff
2015-05-12T13:37:38 < dongs> odd choice of 70fps
2015-05-12T13:37:46 < dongs> almost sounds like overclock result
2015-05-12T13:37:56 < dongs> would be more interesting if it was like 1080@120fps
2015-05-12T13:41:43 < Laurenceb__> lol ambareela
2015-05-12T13:41:56 < Laurenceb__> gopro shit fails more often than it works
2015-05-12T13:42:18 < dongs> thats lun iux 4 u
2015-05-12T13:42:19 < Laurenceb__> heh zano have no excuse now
2015-05-12T13:42:43 < Laurenceb__> they could just use all weiner
2015-05-12T13:42:58 < dongs> oh looks like my adp2441 samplesa re here
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2015-05-12T13:59:39 < dongs> gah
2015-05-12T13:59:44 < dongs> retarded resistor for 1MHz switching freq
2015-05-12T13:59:48 < dongs> 92.5K WTF
2015-05-12T14:00:41 < dongs> i suppose i can just use 100k and have like ~925kHz
2015-05-12T14:00:43 < dongs> close enough
2015-05-12T14:01:15 < karlp> sounds like a sensible choice.
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2015-05-12T14:01:57 < jpa-> oh, i need cuiciut location!
2015-05-12T14:02:02 < dongs> me2
2015-05-12T14:02:21 < karlp> anyone got any opinions on what's easier/"better" quite a few separate .c files one for each board variant, or hacking on "hardware.c" file with #defines and compiling the same file multiple times?
2015-05-12T14:02:23 < jpa-> my ideals are open source and Tectu
2015-05-12T14:02:38 < dongs> karlp: you can put hardware stuff into #defines
2015-05-12T14:02:45 < dongs> like BUTTON_PORT, BUTTON_PIN etc
2015-05-12T14:02:51 < dongs> then just have a hardware_revision.h
2015-05-12T14:03:00 < karlp> yeah, that's what I've got now,
2015-05-12T14:03:05 < dongs> nothing wron wiht that i think
2015-05-12T14:03:10 < karlp> but it's rebuilding all the source for each variant and it takes a while.
2015-05-12T14:03:48 < dongs> make a hal or something?
2015-05-12T14:03:51 < jpa-> what does it matter? you probably develop for only one board at a time, and the build server will be happy to have some work for 5 minutes
2015-05-12T14:03:54 < zyp> uh, wouldn't it have to do that anyway?
2015-05-12T14:04:09 < karlp> zyp: shouldn't have to rebuild the common code, and the freemodbus layers and stuff,
2015-05-12T14:04:21 < jpa-> if you want to have the hardware-specific stuff inlined, you'll have to recompile
2015-05-12T14:04:22 < zyp> then that's just your build system being dumb
2015-05-12T14:04:23 < dongs> freemodBUGS
2015-05-12T14:04:35 < dongs> its probably gcc
2015-05-12T14:04:35 < dongs> :(
2015-05-12T14:04:46 < zyp> also what jpa said
2015-05-12T14:04:52 < dongs> put all hardware stuff into runtime variables
2015-05-12T14:05:00 < dongs> then assign them at startuP!!11
2015-05-12T14:05:10 < dongs> then you dont need to recompile ANYTHING
2015-05-12T14:05:11 < karlp> zyp: indeed, that's what I'm trying to fix, I'm curious whether it would be better to make the dumb build system recompile the same source file multipel times, or split it into multiple source files.
2015-05-12T14:05:18 < karlp> don't really care about inlining anything.
2015-05-12T14:05:34 < zyp> ifdefs vs separate files should not matter on build times at all
2015-05-12T14:06:06 < dongs> http://www.corepcb.com/s--224.html
2015-05-12T14:06:08 < karlp> more curious about my time making a dumb build system do one vs the other
2015-05-12T14:06:11 < dongs> that was spam from tehse dudes
2015-05-12T14:06:21 < zyp> there's no real difference between file with define X and file with define Y vs file X and file Y
2015-05-12T14:06:43 < karlp> other than how you tell make about it
2015-05-12T14:06:46 < jpa-> karlp: if inlining is not needed, i would just make it runtime configurable
2015-05-12T14:06:54 < jpa-> perhaps with autodetection if possible
2015-05-12T14:07:12 < zyp> and you can go from one to the other by making a common file that got ifdef includes, or two files that sets defines and includes a common file
2015-05-12T14:07:27 < zyp> so in the end it's the same thing really
2015-05-12T14:07:28 < karlp> that would have been nice, yes, but no, can't autodetect the hardware.
2015-05-12T14:08:03 < dongs> the pcb guys skype profile lists him as "quilt, pillow manufacturer"
2015-05-12T14:08:12 < dongs> from www.cozyhardware.com
2015-05-12T14:09:16 < zyp> karlp, also, are you talking about sources or headers?
2015-05-12T14:10:38 < dongs> if you have hardware_revision.h and hardware_dongs.c, which has stuff like main_led_turn_on(bool onoff) { }, which in turn toggles stuff defined by MAIN_LED_PORT/_GPIO, then you only need to recompile the hardware_dongs.c and rest of code uses main_led_turn_on()
2015-05-12T14:11:15 < dongs> (but im sure you knew this)
2015-05-12T14:11:46 < karlp> zyp: could be either, that's the decision on what way would be easier to get make to play along with
2015-05-12T14:11:52 < dongs> bool we_get_signal(void);
2015-05-12T14:12:31 < zyp> karlp, the distinction is important
2015-05-12T14:12:42 < karlp> dongs: yeah, I'm doing that split out now, that seems to be the easiest way, recompile hardware.c multiple times with the hardware definitions
2015-05-12T14:13:09 < karlp> make sure the rest of the code only uses things in the hardware_xxx.o and hardware_yyy.o
2015-05-12T14:13:18 < zyp> also, when you say multiple times, does that imply that you always want to build all variants?
2015-05-12T14:13:33 < karlp> I do.
2015-05-12T14:13:52 < karlp> maybe I shouldn't, but whatever, I want to make sure I didn't miss paths if I'm refactoring,
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2015-05-12T14:14:04 < zyp> okay
2015-05-12T14:14:08 < zyp> hmm
2015-05-12T14:14:29 < karlp> and I think this is small enough that if I stop recompiling _everything_ and jsut recompile the bits that are needed, it should be fast enough
2015-05-12T14:14:48 < karlp> but this is arguably just wankery and I should get back to work on features/bugs instead...
2015-05-12T14:14:51 < zyp> yeah, but that's what's going to be the ugly part
2015-05-12T14:15:11 < dongs> open sores wankery
2015-05-12T14:15:13 < karlp> hence why I asked if anyone had any advice on this sort of thing.
2015-05-12T14:15:25 < dongs> what youre doing now sounds pretty sane
2015-05-12T14:15:35 < karlp> well, it works, it just rebuilds a lot
2015-05-12T14:15:35 < dongs> to me anyway. but i'm not pro like zyp
2015-05-12T14:15:53 < karlp> I get a directory for each hardwares's objects and it's allgood, just takes a little longer to build than I'd like.
2015-05-12T14:15:54 < dongs> well, the more you edit the less it will be building
2015-05-12T14:16:03 < dongs> get a faster lunix pc
2015-05-12T14:16:07 < zyp> traditionally you have the *.c -> *.o relationship, but if you build multiple times with different flags, you end up with multiple .o for one .c
2015-05-12T14:16:32 < zyp> which sounds pretty ugly
2015-05-12T14:16:55 < karlp> yeah, which is why I thought it _might_ be easier to have multiple .c files, and make the list of objects different for each hardware instead.
2015-05-12T14:17:30 < zyp> yes, that might be cleaner, but that might also be a hassle to get right
2015-05-12T14:17:41 < karlp> yeah, that's why I'ðm not finished already ;)
2015-05-12T14:18:01 < karlp> it started with, "this should be easy" and now it's in the "this is tedious and not much fun" basket
2015-05-12T14:18:55 < zyp> in scons I'd probably just use the variant build feature, which results in a separate build dir for each variant
2015-05-12T14:19:05 < zyp> but that more or less implies rebuilding everything
2015-05-12T14:20:02 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/SConstruct?h=multivariant <- I experimented with it once
2015-05-12T14:20:22 < zyp> and for anything that takes an insignificant amount of time to build, I'd just do that
2015-05-12T14:20:50 < karlp> yeah, that's what I hav enow, I just call make multiple times with a different outpuyt dir and the top level ahrdware define.
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2015-05-12T14:21:11 < karlp> it has just gotten a little longer than I'd like as the number of hardware variants has grown and the number of source files has grown.
2015-05-12T14:21:18 < karlp> but maybe I'll just leave it for a while.
2015-05-12T14:21:38 < zyp> I think it's possible to persuade scons into only separating parts of a build into variants
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2015-05-12T14:33:30 < jpa-> i would build common stuff to one .a and link it to the board-specific stuff
2015-05-12T14:35:34 < dongs> that would require 'common stuff' to not touch hardware
2015-05-12T14:35:49 < dongs> or have it touch hardware through the abstraction
2015-05-12T14:45:06 < jpa-> yep
2015-05-12T14:45:20 < jpa-> like any solution does
2015-05-12T14:50:52 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-H8-Mini-Headless-Mode-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-975808.html zano clone
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2015-05-12T15:02:32 < Getty> i really want this http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00EXWW62Q/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_r=1DS6F4HDNG520533B5QP&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455353807&pf_rd_i=301128 (or anything in that direction) as Bluetooth, could it be i hunt a unicorn?
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2015-05-12T15:18:21 < Laurenceb__> uh oh im famous on the internets
2015-05-12T15:21:06 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/rO7PuJl.jpg
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2015-05-12T17:07:28 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ where is the raccoon
2015-05-12T17:07:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/xs5wEUT.jpg
2015-05-12T17:08:08 < Laurenceb__> i dont follow
2015-05-12T17:08:44 < ReadError> you said before one of your space baloons would have a raccoon on it
2015-05-12T17:08:52 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-05-12T17:09:07 < Laurenceb__> rockoon
2015-05-12T17:10:14 < ReadError> no no, i specifically remember a raccoon with a brushless motor on him
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2015-05-12T17:46:52 < ReadError> dongs https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903888394/arduboy-card-sized-gaming/video_share
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2015-05-12T17:59:38 < PeterM> dongs have you ever had marmite/vegemite?
2015-05-12T18:07:46 < MrMobius> yay! blinky is working.
2015-05-12T18:08:29 < MrMobius> Does using the HAL_ functions/defines for flipping pins add any bloat?
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2015-05-13T00:14:43 < Laurenceb_> http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1383/08/1383085364806.png
2015-05-13T00:14:47 < Laurenceb_> linux penguin?
2015-05-13T00:16:46 < scummos> elf or ELF
2015-05-13T00:17:40 < Laurenceb_> thats the question
2015-05-13T00:27:53 < Rickta59> i know you guys are anti everything .. but i'm pretty pleased with this:
2015-05-13T00:28:09 < Rickta59> probably heresy to talk about the A word here ..
2015-05-13T00:28:21 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=113&p=889#p889
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2015-05-13T01:26:52 < kakimir> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUWVNaEpZSkI3TUk/edit maker fever doesn't cool down
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2015-05-13T01:27:53 < kakimir> let's utilize shitty chinaleds and old lamp frame
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2015-05-13T02:24:12 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Light-L250-5_8G-250mW-VTX-FPV-Transmitter-For-Gopro-3-p-933197.html
2015-05-13T02:27:03 < dongs> there's no way that takes HDMI input, right
2015-05-13T02:27:17 < dongs> there's probly composite signal over one of those ports on gobro?
2015-05-13T02:27:25 < dongs> and hdmi shit is just there for stability inserting it
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2015-05-13T02:33:11 < dongs> Torquing Group and Zano is about giving a large deal of technology and awesomeness to the masses, and be able to grow our engineering and dev teams so we can provide you with great software/app updates, and modules and device integration (wifi range, apple watch, docking station ?).
2015-05-13T02:35:26 < englishman> dongs the usb port is special 10pin with composite out
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2015-05-13T02:43:03 < dongs> englishman: yeah, i can tell from backside of pcb
2015-05-13T02:43:27 < englishman> why does anyone fucking use skype
2015-05-13T02:45:42 < Lux> it was okish before ms took over
2015-05-13T02:46:14 < Simon--> gotta love when people phone in and have 100x gain noise since they haven't said anything yet
2015-05-13T02:47:40 < dongs> Simon--: why i can no longer use alt-number to switch windows
2015-05-13T02:48:43 < Simon--> does escape <number> work?
2015-05-13T02:49:03 < Simon--> I still see people accidentally typing space /win 12 to channels, so maybe you were over-innovating
2015-05-13T02:49:13 < dongs> yes
2015-05-13T02:49:24 < dongs> escape+num woirks
2015-05-13T02:49:28 < dongs> i wonder waht teh fuck is up with alt
2015-05-13T02:49:39 < Simon--> new windows 10 meta key?
2015-05-13T02:53:06 < dongs> im guessing there's some modal error dialog hidden on top of desktop
2015-05-13T02:53:09 < dongs> that i am not seeing
2015-05-13T02:53:13 < dongs> thats grabbing keys
2015-05-13T02:58:36 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-13T02:58:38 < dongs> its only THIS window
2015-05-13T02:58:42 < dongs> oh its owrking now
2015-05-13T03:01:33 < dongs> closed some windows and probly fixed it
2015-05-13T03:02:19 < dongs> I find it interesting that there are more autonomous drones coming to market. Clearly this is becoming a trend!
2015-05-13T03:02:23 < dongs> I just saw a web site for https://www.lily.camera/ which appears to have similar capabilities to the Zano. They are taking pre-orders for $499 with a retail price of $999.
2015-05-13T03:03:48 < englishman> its the same guyes i bet
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2015-05-13T03:07:26 < kakimir> o/ dongs: /nick zanofan
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2015-05-13T03:09:15 < kakimir> my first order from mouser directly
2015-05-13T03:09:20 < kakimir> I'm exitement
2015-05-13T03:09:51 < kakimir> does it really work you have your shit in 3days, to your door and pay less total
2015-05-13T03:10:45 < karlp> Rickta59: what's the diff between stlink and stlink debug?
2015-05-13T03:10:52 < englishman> digikey is 17 hours for me
2015-05-13T03:10:54 < specing> I opened mouser and it wanted to charge me 80 euro shipping
2015-05-13T03:12:26 < kakimir> some said mauser has free shipping over some total
2015-05-13T03:12:41 < kakimir> in fin
2015-05-13T03:13:09 < kakimir> I'm seriously used to have my stuff 2weeks after order
2015-05-13T03:13:17 < kakimir> some times 3weeks to month
2015-05-13T03:13:25 < kakimir> I feel stupid
2015-05-13T03:13:37 < kakimir> need to get this thing flying
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2015-05-13T03:24:50 < Rickta59> with stlink i just uplaod karlp with stlink debug I upload then launch the eclipse cdt standalone debugger
2015-05-13T03:25:43 < Rickta59> the thing i'm showing is the cdt standalone debugger integrated with arduino karlp for the stm32f103 stuff
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2015-05-13T03:36:22 < dongs> damn sourceforge is c ompletely usless snow
2015-05-13T03:36:46 < dongs> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mmcsdspibasedriver/files/v1003/ this seems somewhat useful but cant_tell until you fucking download .zip
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2015-05-13T03:44:27 < kakimir> have you ever ordered some part in magnitudes greater number you wanted?
2015-05-13T03:44:39 < kakimir> typo some 00 there
2015-05-13T03:44:40 < dongs> yes, i always order caps/res on reels
2015-05-13T03:44:42 < dongs> even if I need 10
2015-05-13T03:44:56 < kakimir> how about shunts that cost 1eur piece
2015-05-13T03:44:58 < dongs> because fuck $6 vs rage needed to re-reel it
2015-05-13T03:45:16 < dongs> where the fuck are you buying your shunts, last 0.1R resistor I bought was liek 5c/ea
2015-05-13T03:45:34 < kakimir> hmm I should look for cheaper ones
2015-05-13T03:45:56 < kakimir> 0.2 1% 1206 shunt is half an euro
2015-05-13T03:46:07 < kakimir> @1
2015-05-13T03:48:06 < kakimir> half of my cart is polymer caps
2015-05-13T03:48:21 < dongs> 0.1 ohm 1% 2010	SMD	20	$0.03	$0.60
2015-05-13T03:48:46 < dongs> duno wat 2010 is, 0805? i think
2015-05-13T03:49:30 < kakimir> ok need to check it out
2015-05-13T03:49:43 < kakimir> I have actually once bought 4euro shunts
2015-05-13T03:49:57 < kakimir> but those have some amperage
2015-05-13T03:50:15 < kakimir> still stypid money
2015-05-13T03:50:36 < kakimir> when shunt was actually a piece of wire
2015-05-13T03:54:05 < zyp> dongs, if those are made for shunts, they are probably actually 2010, not 2010 metric
2015-05-13T03:54:14 < dongs> zyp, probably
2015-05-13T03:54:20 < dongs> they were on the lvds board
2015-05-13T03:54:22 < dongs> they were kinda big
2015-05-13T03:54:55 < dongs> holy shit  i found a bug
2015-05-13T03:55:17 < zyp> around same as the polyfuse you put on my board? that was 1812
2015-05-13T03:55:30 < zyp> 2010 would be a bit longer and a bit narrower
2015-05-13T03:55:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RuGvxWc.jpg
2015-05-13T03:56:13 < zyp> is it inspecting your pin mapping?
2015-05-13T03:56:17 < dongs> yes
2015-05-13T04:00:30 < kakimir> does mouser have vat0 prices?
2015-05-13T04:01:50 < kakimir> ok so yes
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2015-05-13T04:09:14 < kakimir> budget roof is comming at me 24% faster I expected
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2015-05-13T04:42:26 < dongs> http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/chips.htm haha
2015-05-13T04:43:51 < MrMobius> does ST make any of the implants?
2015-05-13T04:43:58 < dongs> i bet they do
2015-05-13T04:44:05 < dongs> thats what STM32W was for
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2015-05-13T04:47:02 < MrMobius> this guy came to lecture for us in undergrad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube
2015-05-13T04:47:12 < MrMobius> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn2UCqL5qyo
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2015-05-13T04:50:04 < dongs> whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2015-05-13T04:50:08 < dongs> ritot posted a TECHNICAL UPDATE
2015-05-13T04:50:12 < dongs> On this pictures shown the data from accelerometer when user do arm movement (unidirectional abrupt movements, single circular movement to switch on/off and series of two movements to switch on/off the functionality) and also the result of processing of these data directed to recognition of movements of switching on/off.
2015-05-13T04:50:20 < dongs> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByaY-39vOhX_NnhaZXdzdXM1ak0/view
2015-05-13T04:50:23 < gxti> are they technically fucked
2015-05-13T04:50:47 < kakimir> are you australian dongs ?
2015-05-13T04:50:53 < dongs> no im jewish
2015-05-13T04:51:10 < kakimir> shalom.
2015-05-13T04:52:55 < kakimir> ended up 100pcs of 5% shunts for 5,5euro
2015-05-13T04:53:02 < dongs> gj
2015-05-13T04:53:06 < kakimir> thanks
2015-05-13T04:53:10 < dongs> 5% shunt is bout as useful as zano for taking selfies
2015-05-13T04:53:14 < dongs> wait, DRONIES
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2015-05-13T04:53:48 < kakimir> just calibrate with software
2015-05-13T05:00:08 < kakimir> I bought a kit of resistors from ebay saying 1%
2015-05-13T05:00:46 < dongs> passives sample books are fucking great
2015-05-13T05:02:03 < kakimir> what is suprising is that those resistors are actually 1% or even greatly under 1%
2015-05-13T05:02:25 < kakimir> and got of course cheapest possible 1% kit
2015-05-13T05:03:24 < dongs> its probably harder to make shitty tolerant stuff I'd iamgine
2015-05-13T05:03:35 < dongs> its like you ahve to try hard to fuck up
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2015-05-13T05:04:10 < kakimir> they try to come up with quality b but quality a just keeps comming
2015-05-13T05:16:40 < dongs> spider update http://i.imgur.com/Kj1VtY4.jpg
2015-05-13T05:18:37 < kakimir> next step there is no image or dongs whatsoever
2015-05-13T05:18:42 < englishman> dongs
2015-05-13T05:18:43 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YLxGFLpOl0
2015-05-13T05:18:45 < englishman> ^_^
2015-05-13T05:18:52 < dongs> why is it private
2015-05-13T05:19:08 < dongs> oh this is their dickstarteeer vid
2015-05-13T05:19:19 < dongs> englishman: first thought occurred to me when they power it up and ith as no gps lock
2015-05-13T05:19:23 < dongs> and they 'throw' it
2015-05-13T05:19:30 < dongs> and it saves home coords as somewhere in chian
2015-05-13T05:19:35 < dongs> and tries to position hold
2015-05-13T05:19:36 < dongs> lolo
2015-05-13T05:19:41 < englishman> wouldnt be the first time!
2015-05-13T05:20:48 < dongs> btw alreeady posted on zano forums
2015-05-13T05:20:56 < dongs> which is wheree my tweet was from like 3 hours ago
2015-05-13T05:21:57 < englishman> they are hiring Embedded Firmware Engineer
2015-05-13T05:22:23 < dongs> ohhh
2015-05-13T05:22:25 < dongs> i be tter get hired
2015-05-13T05:22:35 < jadew> damn chinglish, I just figured out the key to this manual!
2015-05-13T05:22:39 < dongs> take their money and RUN
2015-05-13T05:22:46 < kakimir> wow
2015-05-13T05:22:47 < englishman> Tools: Altium Designer
2015-05-13T05:22:55 < kakimir> that thing seems to do it
2015-05-13T05:23:08 < dongs> Strong knowledge of bus protocols such as I2C, SPI, UART and SDIO
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2015-05-13T05:23:58 < jadew> a 1 bit register, that can be any value from 0 to 200
2015-05-13T05:24:10 < jadew> and you control it by writing a 16 bit value to it
2015-05-13T05:24:18 < jadew> lower 8 bits logical
2015-05-13T05:24:25 < jadew> the high 8 bits illogical
2015-05-13T05:24:29 < jadew> get it?
2015-05-13T05:24:37 < dongs> fuck, I dont have a CV
2015-05-13T05:24:58 < dongs> ohh
2015-05-13T05:24:59 < dongs> linkedin URL
2015-05-13T05:25:01 < englishman> but Gary Niger does
2015-05-13T05:25:02 < englishman> hehe
2015-05-13T05:25:05 < jadew> it's a 1 byte register that when you program, you have to write a 16 bit value to it
2015-05-13T05:25:07 < dongs> yes, just saw that
2015-05-13T05:25:11 < dongs> hahagithub url
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2015-05-13T05:25:13 < jadew> where the higher 8 bits don't matter
2015-05-13T05:25:18 < jadew> hence, illogical
2015-05-13T05:26:06 < kakimir> do you guys "activelly maintain" linkedin profile?
2015-05-13T05:26:19 < jadew> why?
2015-05-13T05:26:26 < dongs> I do https://www.linkedin.com/pub/gary-niger/52/862/775
2015-05-13T05:27:32 < kakimir> I do not and I wont
2015-05-13T05:27:40 < jadew> I think we'll see a lot more of these kickstarter drone with with a camera thingies
2015-05-13T05:28:11 < kakimir> some organisations require you to have up to date linkedin profile in order to work with them
2015-05-13T05:28:41 < dongs> https://jobs.lever.co/lily/7486c134-8e54-4d75-9491-cad326ebf3b7
2015-05-13T05:28:42 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-05-13T05:28:47 < dongs> i think these guys dont actually have anything
2015-05-13T05:28:56 < dongs> and they're just trying to hire peopel TO DO THEIR JOB
2015-05-13T05:28:59 < kakimir> I see dongs uses this account to stalk business ladies
2015-05-13T05:29:09 < jadew> lol
2015-05-13T05:29:17 < jadew> nice find dongs
2015-05-13T05:29:22 < jadew> how did you came across that?
2015-05-13T05:29:35 < dongs> jadew:  < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YLxGFLpOl0
2015-05-13T05:29:41 < dongs> https://www.lily.camera/
2015-05-13T05:29:44 < dongs> ^ jobs link on bottom
2015-05-13T05:32:57 < kakimir> what do you think the pay is at that job?
2015-05-13T05:33:26 < dongs> lets ask R2COM
2015-05-13T05:33:34 < dongs> R2COM: found a job 4 u https://jobs.lever.co/lily/7486c134-8e54-4d75-9491-cad326ebf3b7
2015-05-13T05:33:44 < dongs> kakimir: they will pay you wantever you want with the hopes of acutally delivering the shit they're trying to make
2015-05-13T05:34:43 < kakimir> is that video real action or someone with rc radio behind camera?
2015-05-13T05:34:52 < dongs> rc obviously
2015-05-13T05:35:16 < kakimir> they should hire zano
2015-05-13T05:38:03 < kakimir> so they have hand in investors pockets and they need someone to do the tricky part
2015-05-13T05:38:29 < dongs> roffel
2015-05-13T05:38:35 < dongs> i tweeted lily link to a pal
2015-05-13T05:38:48 < kakimir> did you apply yet dongs
2015-05-13T05:38:50 < dongs> <pal> I trolled coworker into buying lily so will see
2015-05-13T05:38:50 < dongs> <pal> if/when they ship
2015-05-13T05:38:53 < dongs> kakimir: i dont have a CV
2015-05-13T05:43:32 < kakimir> good
2015-05-13T05:49:18 < dongs> < GregRobCA> You gotta try what you can, because you never know what is going to work.
2015-05-13T05:49:23 < dongs> what do you think this guy is talking about
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2015-05-13T06:01:41 < dongs> got SMT splicing tape
2015-05-13T06:06:20 < dongs> oh, isee what they did theree
2015-05-13T06:06:25 < dongs> its just an applicator
2015-05-13T06:06:31 < dongs> for 2 pieces of tape
2015-05-13T06:06:40 < dongs> with bumps to align it with perforation
2015-05-13T06:06:53 < dongs> this might work
2015-05-13T06:06:56 < dongs> but not what i expected
2015-05-13T06:10:07 < dongs> SIGNIFICANTLY NOT AS DESCRIBED
2015-05-13T06:10:35 < dongs> R2COM: ADP2503 = win??
2015-05-13T06:10:47 < dongs> wait no
2015-05-13T06:11:32 < dongs> you zano'd the layout
2015-05-13T06:12:48 < kakimir> let's sleew for few hours
2015-05-13T06:12:50 < dongs> it draws *more* current, no?
2015-05-13T06:13:11 < dongs> in bosost mode maybe
2015-05-13T06:13:13 < dongs> boost
2015-05-13T06:13:40 < dongs> you gotta see which mode zano will spend most of the time flying
2015-05-13T06:13:43 < dongs> buck or boost
2015-05-13T06:13:48 < dongs> to see which part to pick for efficiencty
2015-05-13T06:14:11 < dongs> to maximizee that 8% flight time
2015-05-13T06:14:15 < GargantuaSauce_> so i just discovered my bench ps' current meters go fucking crazy if i key my radio
2015-05-13T06:14:17 < GargantuaSauce_> this is entertaining
2015-05-13T06:14:55 < dongs> GargantuaSauce_: like physical panel meters?
2015-05-13T06:15:10 < dongs> analol'g
2015-05-13T06:15:14 < GargantuaSauce_> no shitty standalone lcd ones
2015-05-13T06:15:17 < dongs> o
2015-05-13T06:15:20 < dongs> rar
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2015-05-13T08:10:36 < dongs> Hello everybody! I want to know if the seminal fluid or sperm that has been ejaculated out into the environment can become worms or not.
2015-05-13T08:11:33 < emeb_mac> the stupid - it burns
2015-05-13T08:12:07 < dongs> But you know what, they can move!
2015-05-13T08:13:37 < dongs> dicknplace currently trashing expensive vregfs
2015-05-13T08:13:49 < dongs> because it cant figure out how to fucking bottom camera pins of SOT23-5
2015-05-13T08:13:53 < dongs> fuck japan
2015-05-13T08:13:55 < jpa-> there are a lot of worms on the ground here today
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2015-05-13T08:14:31 < dongs> (the whole reason I even need to bottom camera it is beacuise the fucking side camera cant properly detect its orienataion and places the tarsh at like 15" angle
2015-05-13T08:14:35 < dongs> fuck japan again
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2015-05-13T08:20:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/btkuyR1.gifv
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2015-05-13T08:52:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.amateurradio.com/inside-the-802-11bgn-amazon-dash-button/
2015-05-13T08:52:25 < Laurenceb_> stm32
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2015-05-13T08:54:04 < dongs> OH NO
2015-05-13T08:54:07 < dongs> ITS THE XPICOWIFI
2015-05-13T08:55:58 < Laurenceb_> clearly they should have used the efm thing
2015-05-13T08:57:56 < Laurenceb_> ESP8266 t
2015-05-13T08:58:26 < dongs> pssh no
2015-05-13T08:58:37 < dongs> esp8266 is not pro (c) r2com
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2015-05-13T08:59:09 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-05-13T09:13:13 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2015-05-13T09:13:14 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36313.2680
2015-05-13T09:13:17 < Laurenceb_> so many pages
2015-05-13T09:15:06 < Laurenceb_> in an early experiment the "discovery" of a "gravity-like-force-altering-the-local-environment"... but after that there was a mention of another "unexplained force emerging from the opposite side of the disk that had a catastrophic effect (fatal) on any living tissue within the path of the emergent beam
2015-05-13T09:15:08 < Laurenceb_> yaman
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2015-05-13T09:29:26 < dongs> lol emdrive drama
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2015-05-13T09:35:00 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: nasa discovered microwaves? :)
2015-05-13T09:35:11 < emeb_mac> experimental error
2015-05-13T09:35:48 < emeb_mac> if the effect is so weak that it can be mistaken for noise in the setup, it's unlikely to have commercial potential
2015-05-13T09:37:04 < jpa-> impossible to say about likelity based on that when the effect is not even understood
2015-05-13T09:37:41 < jpa-> you cannot expect that the arrangement they arrived at by random would be optimized in any way for the unknown effect
2015-05-13T09:42:04 < PeterM> dongs that cat gif - wtf, its 'like the cat had a seizure and ecided to do backflips off the table
2015-05-13T09:42:27 < dongs> ya
2015-05-13T09:42:29 < dongs> pretty pro
2015-05-13T09:42:40 < dongs> trying to debug this LPC1768 faggotry
2015-05-13T09:42:45 < dongs> unbelievable garbage
2015-05-13T09:42:55 < dongs> shit cannot be reset, it always goes into ISP mode
2015-05-13T09:43:00 < dongs> regardless of pin status
2015-05-13T09:43:04 < dongs> ISP pin that i s
2015-05-13T09:43:28 < jpa-> isp?
2015-05-13T09:43:34 < dongs> like rom bootloader shit
2015-05-13T09:43:40 < jpa-> ah
2015-05-13T09:43:43 < dongs> i can step into it, but that also dies after like 5 steps
2015-05-13T09:43:45 < dongs> not sure if thats related
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2015-05-13T09:44:20 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/19Hjja56.html
2015-05-13T09:44:30 < dongs> looks somewhat legit, 1fff0000 is 8k bootloader rom
2015-05-13T09:44:39 < dongs> but not sure why it would die after that last step tho
2015-05-13T09:45:36 < stukdev> man i got something strange with stm32 and usb, sometimes but its really random, i can't connect with the usb, on windows i get com locked.
2015-05-13T09:45:37 < jpa-> i wonder what is R4
2015-05-13T09:45:43 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/OfNGk662.html
2015-05-13T09:45:46 < dongs> this is before str
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2015-05-13T09:45:52 < dongs> looks kinda garbage
2015-05-13T09:45:53 < jpa-> on STM32, the bootloader disables SWD IIRC
2015-05-13T09:45:54 < stukdev> but if i reflash the software all works, same software....this is the strange
2015-05-13T09:45:57 < dongs> o wait thats peripherals
2015-05-13T09:46:00 < dongs> 40000000
2015-05-13T09:46:39 < jpa-> yea
2015-05-13T09:47:06 < jpa-> now in gdb you would type   info symbol $r4   and know what peripheral
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2015-05-13T09:47:22 < dongs> pssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2015-05-13T09:47:52 < dongs> its rom bootlaoder so i dont really care
2015-05-13T09:48:02 < dongs> its always jumping into it, whic his a proble
2015-05-13T09:49:58 < stukdev> can a usb virtual port being locked from stm32?
2015-05-13T09:50:10 < dongs> stuk, i already fuckign told you this like 2 days ago
2015-05-13T09:50:12 < dongs> did you read what i said?
2015-05-13T09:50:31 < stukdev> dongs: you said is windows...
2015-05-13T09:50:37 < dongs> and youre on lunix?
2015-05-13T09:50:39 < stukdev> you are wrong...is not windows
2015-05-13T09:50:53 < dongs> well, im sorry to hear that
2015-05-13T09:51:05 < stukdev> i'm on windows, but i'm try on linux and its the same...cannot open com port
2015-05-13T09:51:09 < jpa-> "When there is no valid user code (determined by the checksum word) in the user flash or the ISP enable pin (P2.10) is pulled low on startup, the ISP mode will be entered and the boot code will setup the PLL with the IRC."
2015-05-13T09:51:16 < jpa-> dongs: maybe your checksum is wrong?
2015-05-13T09:52:14 < jpa-> stukdev: why not just use usb analyzer (either software or hardware side, shouldn't matter much for this) and see what is going on?
2015-05-13T09:52:41 < dongs> jpa, i erased the chip several teimes
2015-05-13T09:52:44 < dongs> for good measure
2015-05-13T09:52:47 < dongs> it is blank as shit.
2015-05-13T09:52:52 < stukdev> jpa-: ok, i try thanks
2015-05-13T09:53:02 < jpa-> dongs: so, it is going to bootloader like it should?
2015-05-13T09:53:11 < dongs> jpa, i should be able to flash via swd/jtag tho
2015-05-13T09:53:17 < jpa-> yeah, after reset
2015-05-13T09:53:21 < dongs> right
2015-05-13T09:53:34 < jpa-> what goes wrong when you try?
2015-05-13T09:54:17 < dongs> jpa, it cant halt/flash anythign
2015-05-13T09:54:27 < dongs> does isp fucking kill swd/jtag
2015-05-13T09:54:32 < dongs> if so fuck nxp
2015-05-13T09:56:07 < jpa-> you can step through the first few instructions, so swd is working that far, so you should be able to flash at that point
2015-05-13T09:56:23 < dongs> oh, right
2015-05-13T09:56:23 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-13T09:57:02 < Viper168> try a gke4 or an lmnop
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2015-05-13T10:00:36 < jpa-> however the lpc1768 checksum thing seems weird.. i wonder how it is generated in build process
2015-05-13T10:00:53 < dongs> i think theres some actual extra command shit
2015-05-13T10:00:59 < dongs> i duno, its not  even getting to flashing
2015-05-13T10:01:30 < dongs> driving to another office with some tools in it, cant do fuckall at a place without even a scope
2015-05-13T10:03:45 < dongs> zyp, for your next jp trip https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckf6se38ov6wab1/A%20Glossary%20of%20Japanese%20Gay%20Terminology.pdf?dl=0#
2015-05-13T10:08:20 < stukdev> mmm nothing can sniffer from com port...only com is open...com is closed
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2015-05-13T10:10:33 < dongs> where the hell is nxp header like stm32f103.h
2015-05-13T10:10:39 < dongs> that describes all the peripheral addresses and shit
2015-05-13T10:12:30 < dongs> 0x400F C000 is "peripheral 31, "system control"
2015-05-13T10:12:47 < jpa-> yeah, but couldn't find any reg at C3..
2015-05-13T10:12:51 < dongs> me neither
2015-05-13T10:12:57 < dongs> not in RM anyway
2015-05-13T10:13:19 < jpa-> https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothieware/blob/edge/mbed/src/vendor/NXP/cmsis/LPC1768/LPC17xx.h  here is the file FWIW
2015-05-13T10:15:23 < jpa-> seems like some hidden fuckup register
2015-05-13T10:16:37 < dongs> seems that way
2015-05-13T10:17:30 < dongs> bizzare.. old hardware worked
2015-05-13T10:17:43 < dongs> all new one did was breakout that ISP pin and put uart0 on a header
2015-05-13T10:17:48 < dongs> (for the purposes of ISP, lol)
2015-05-13T10:18:00 < dongs> anyway, need to get to a plce with usbserial thing to see if the isp trash is even working
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2015-05-13T10:18:22 < jpa-> i can't see the checksum stuff in smoothie's vector table; i wonder if i'm reading the refman correctly that it won't boot the code if the vector table doesn't have that checksum
2015-05-13T10:18:57 < dongs> http://www.lpcware.com/content/faq/lpcxpresso/image-checksums
2015-05-13T10:19:10 < dongs> checksum is jsut vector table
2015-05-13T10:19:15 < dongs> so they probvly precalculated it
2015-05-13T10:19:21 < dongs> hm o wait, thats dynamic
2015-05-13T10:19:24 < dongs> cuz addresess
2015-05-13T10:19:49 < jpa-> yea
2015-05-13T10:19:56 < ReadError> mike sen
2015-05-13T10:19:57 < ReadError> 1.In fat fetishism, someone who prefers men over 100 kilograms
2015-05-13T10:19:58 < ReadError> lol
2015-05-13T10:20:07 < jpa-> though hmm, smoothie is programmed using some usb bootloader thingy, maybe that does it
2015-05-13T10:20:18 < jpa-> would also explain why i had trouble programming from .elf with openocd
2015-05-13T10:20:29 < jpa-> though my trouble might have been something totally else, didn't check
2015-05-13T10:20:47 < jpa-> aaaah
2015-05-13T10:20:51 < jpa-> i'm silly
2015-05-13T10:21:00 < jpa-> of course only the custom usb bootloader needs the checksum
2015-05-13T10:21:12 < dongs> @ 0?
2015-05-13T10:21:16 < jpa-> yea
2015-05-13T10:21:43 < dongs> hurr, im trying to flash a random .hex
2015-05-13T10:21:46 < dongs> not even at zero
2015-05-13T10:21:48 < dongs> COULD THAT BE IT
2015-05-13T10:21:48 < dongs> lol
2015-05-13T10:22:18 < dongs> how the fuck did lpc shit even get chosen for mbed
2015-05-13T10:22:22 < dongs> the cpus are fucking complete garbage
2015-05-13T10:22:28 < dongs> shit cores, shit peripherals, shit everythign
2015-05-13T10:22:30 < jpa-> yea
2015-05-13T10:22:37 < dongs> im guessing $$ / sucking dick was involved
2015-05-13T10:22:48 < jpa-> like 3 timers and ADC crappier than tarduino
2015-05-13T10:22:51 < dongs> "we have this dying line of shit, can you plz make it popular"
2015-05-13T10:22:52 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-13T10:22:59 < dongs> 3 timers and only 6 hardware pwm outputs, LOL
2015-05-13T10:25:13 < dongs> http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11145494306 lol
2015-05-13T10:25:17 < ReadError> https://developer.mbed.org/platforms/Y5-LPC11U35-MBUG/
2015-05-13T10:25:20 < ReadError> thats kinda cute
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2015-05-13T10:30:24 < PaulFertser> jpa-: in openocd when you flash an lpc chip openocd calculates the checksum on its own during the process.
2015-05-13T10:31:21 < jpa-> good to know :)
2015-05-13T10:31:42 < jpa-> but indeed it couldn't have been that anyway, probably some weird interaction with their custom (mbed) bootloader or mri
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2015-05-13T10:56:09 < dongs> jpa-: same fail
2015-05-13T10:56:13 < dongs> jflash actually adds checksum
2015-05-13T10:56:15 < dongs> automatically also
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2015-05-13T10:57:34 < ReadError> http://www.amateurradio.com/inside-the-802-11bgn-amazon-dash-button/
2015-05-13T10:57:36 < ReadError> pretty neat
2015-05-13T10:57:46 < ReadError> 99cents wifi/stm32 f205
2015-05-13T10:57:51 < dongs> 14:52 < Laurenceb_> http://www.amateurradio.com/inside-the-802-11bgn-amazon-dash-button/
2015-05-13T10:57:54 < dongs> 16:57 < ReadError> http://www.amateurradio.com/inside-the-802-11bgn-amazon-dash-button/
2015-05-13T10:57:58 < dongs> ReadError: old
2015-05-13T10:58:04 < dongs> ReadError: also, its same shit thats inside XPICOWIFI
2015-05-13T10:58:10 < dongs> and its liek 2x smaller
2015-05-13T10:58:13 < dongs> zano is so fucked LOL
2015-05-13T10:58:18 < jpa-> dongs: once it goes to the bootloader, maybe print out the first few bytes of flash to check that the checksum is there?
2015-05-13T10:58:22 < ReadError> but but, is it 99cents?
2015-05-13T10:58:33 < dongs> jpa, flash fails
2015-05-13T10:58:52 < jpa-> a
2015-05-13T10:58:52 < jpa-> h
2015-05-13T10:59:09 < jpa-> maybe use openocd for flash wins
2015-05-13T10:59:20 < dongs> .. it works on old hardware
2015-05-13T11:00:30 < ReadError> on an unrelated note, has anyone ever had any luck combining 2 hex files in to 1 ?
2015-05-13T11:00:38 < ReadError> ive heard hexmate will do it
2015-05-13T11:00:42 < jpa-> yes, pretty trivial
2015-05-13T11:00:52 < jpa-> basically just strip the last line of first file and mash them together
2015-05-13T11:01:06 < ReadError> basically just make sure the addresses dont overlap and use hexmate to regen the checksum?
2015-05-13T11:01:21 < ReadError> or is the checksum only on each line
2015-05-13T11:01:22 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/Makefile#L69   i do that here
2015-05-13T11:01:35 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2015-05-13T11:01:37 < jpa-> checksum is per line, for most uses overlaps wouldn't matter
2015-05-13T11:01:42 < dongs> plot thuckens
2015-05-13T11:01:46 < dongs> thickens, too
2015-05-13T11:01:50 < dongs> flash *succeeds*
2015-05-13T11:01:53 < dongs> but its garbage
2015-05-13T11:02:08 < dongs> example hex is like
2015-05-13T11:02:15 < dongs> e0 7f 00 10 cd 00 00 00 35 1c 00 00 etc
2015-05-13T11:02:28 < dongs> flash containts 10 00 1f fc 1f ff 00 81 00 00 00 00
2015-05-13T11:02:29 < dongs> ...
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2015-05-13T11:09:37 < dongs> what the fuck flashed contents are completely different
2015-05-13T11:09:39 < dongs> giving the mfuck up
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2015-05-13T11:39:41 < jpa-> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/745/146/deb35ad84fa539a0437f26c8104bb53e_original.jpg?v=1430957981&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=525be2c0224cc7adcfe97740f2fee0d6   such resolution
2015-05-13T11:41:29 < PeterM> all 800 of those pickcells
2015-05-13T11:41:57 < PeterM> (don't actually know if its 800x600 but it looks like it)
2015-05-13T11:42:04 < jpa-> more like 720x576 probably
2015-05-13T11:42:15 < jpa-> it's composite video, the favourite tech of 2015
2015-05-13T11:43:04 < PeterM> is it? it looks like a hdmi cable - but i can' tell because the image has as much resoluion as the screen in the image
2015-05-13T11:43:37 < jpa-> humm you are right
2015-05-13T11:43:49 < jpa-> really crappy if it gets that bad resolution over hdmi also
2015-05-13T11:45:56 < PeterM> pfft, the chip is probably desaigned to drive a 320x240 phone screen, its not unlikely that it spits hsit out over hdmi
2015-05-13T11:46:07 < jpa-> true
2015-05-13T11:47:44 < _Sync_> jpa-: we just got some time clocks at $twerkplace
2015-05-13T11:48:01 < _Sync_> they have a cheapshit LCD with composite in
2015-05-13T11:48:06 < _Sync_> and a raspi
2015-05-13T11:48:13 < _Sync_> running some laggy java gui
2015-05-13T11:49:20 < jpa-> time clocks? as opposed to space clocks?
2015-05-13T11:50:05 < _Sync_> yes.
2015-05-13T11:50:16 < _Sync_> no, the ones logging the time you are at work
2015-05-13T11:50:49 < jpa-> ah those
2015-05-13T11:51:35 < _Sync_> just took one apart because why not
2015-05-13T11:51:42 < jpa-> previous workplace had similar but with some thinclient running remote desktop connection to windows server
2015-05-13T11:52:02 < jpa-> previous to that had simple 2x16 text LCD driven by some microcontroller and guess what - it actually worked!
2015-05-13T11:52:47 < PeterM> previous workplace used the building access control system for time clocks - was actually pretty neato
2015-05-13T11:53:36 < _Sync_> well, that doesn't work when you have to go outside for some work
2015-05-13T11:53:48 < jpa-> current workplace just has us to input hours in web app
2015-05-13T11:54:14 < jpa-> every day  7.5 hours IRC^H^H^HImplementing important features
2015-05-13T11:54:15 < _Sync_> ^
2015-05-13T11:57:52 < dongs> PeterM: i think 800x yea
2015-05-13T11:57:58 < dongs> A13 can drive that size lcd
2015-05-13T11:58:07 < dongs> useless shite
2015-05-13T11:59:02 < dongs> it is hdmi
2015-05-13T11:59:08 < dongs> they're using rgb>hdmi converter on that shield thing
2015-05-13T11:59:16 < dongs> but max that shit can drive over rgb is 800x480
2015-05-13T11:59:20 < dongs> so youre fukd anyway
2015-05-13T12:00:37 < PeterM> 800x480? not eben 800x600? what is this fucking shit, are you even trying? do you think this is a fucking game?
2015-05-13T12:01:00 < dongs> game? well for games all you need is 128x64: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903888394/arduboy-card-sized-gaming
2015-05-13T12:01:02 < jpa-> actually playing old dos games is probably the only thing it would be ok for
2015-05-13T12:01:20 < dongs> unfuckingbelievable
2015-05-13T12:01:22 < dongs> i2c oled + tarduino
2015-05-13T12:01:26 < dongs> marketed as "games computer"
2015-05-13T12:01:36 < dongs> you can barely code up something like crap invaders on that shit
2015-05-13T12:01:45 < dongs> with that amazing 1k ram and garbage processor
2015-05-13T12:02:42 < PeterM> $29-39 you can buy shitty chain android phone, r u srs
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2015-05-13T12:29:08 < dongs>  http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF261270
2015-05-13T12:29:12 < dongs> this was in todays ST spam mail
2015-05-13T12:29:31 < _Sync_> oh wait dongs
2015-05-13T12:29:37 < dongs> not bad but: fail switching freq; fail current
2015-05-13T12:29:39 < _Sync_> they have a rgb>hdmi converter on there?
2015-05-13T12:29:44 < dongs> yeah?
2015-05-13T12:29:49 < dongs> on the hdmi baseboard
2015-05-13T12:29:53 < dongs> the native thing just has parallel rgb breakout
2015-05-13T12:30:01 < dongs> the extra $25 thing that get syou hdmi out
2015-05-13T12:34:51 < _Sync_> the srs fuck
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2015-05-13T17:19:45 < dongs> damn
2015-05-13T17:19:48 < dongs> R2PRO wasnt kidding
2015-05-13T17:19:53 < dongs> ADI evalboards are fucking rich
2015-05-13T17:20:01 < dongs> 77 bucks for a fucking switcher and a coil on a pcb
2015-05-13T17:20:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iN78oIx.jpg wtf is this
2015-05-13T17:22:19 < dongs> ah its 4L PCB
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2015-05-13T17:41:13 < PeterM> dongs for those prices i'd  make money cloning eval boards ey
2015-05-13T17:42:11 < dongs> ya
2015-05-13T17:43:17 < gxti> good luck with that
2015-05-13T17:43:17 < dongs> coilcrap website is retarded
2015-05-13T17:43:25 < dongs> have they not heard about web 3.0
2015-05-13T17:44:43 < PeterM> or parametric searches
2015-05-13T17:48:11 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs was jetman dubai here yet?
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2015-05-13T19:18:28 < dongs> holy fuck
2015-05-13T19:18:41 < dongs> NXP has like 3 BGA packages for LPC176x
2015-05-13T19:18:46 < dongs> and they're ALL PIN INCOMPATIBLE
2015-05-13T19:19:15 < kakimir> thats why they have 3 not 1
2015-05-13T19:21:03 < MrMobius> is the HAL stuff any slower for slipping GPIOs?
2015-05-13T19:21:29 < MrMobius> like HAL_GPIO_WritePin
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2015-05-13T19:24:03 < dongs> lol um
2015-05-13T19:24:10 < dongs> well it does go through like 2-3 function calls
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2015-05-13T19:24:30 < dongs> personally i just have a macro that does shit like digitalHi(a,b) a->BSRR = b; or whatever
2015-05-13T19:24:33 < Tectu> Hello, people from this channel
2015-05-13T19:24:39 < dongs> sup kawaii Tectu
2015-05-13T19:24:55 < Tectu> bit horny, otherwise good. How about you, dongs?
2015-05-13T19:25:10 < MrMobius> thats absolutely awful
2015-05-13T19:25:19 < MrMobius> that shit should resolve to macros
2015-05-13T19:25:24 < MrMobius> not ever be a function
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2015-05-13T19:26:37 < Tectu> dongs, what are you up to?
2015-05-13T19:26:47 < dongs> fapping as usual
2015-05-13T19:26:54 < Tectu> link=
2015-05-13T19:26:55 < Tectu> ?
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2015-05-13T19:27:56 < dongs> you want twitch.tv link to my dick?
2015-05-13T19:29:02 < Tectu> at my current mental state I'm open for almost anything
2015-05-13T19:29:13 < Tectu> but it will most likely (and hopefully) not last for longer tham 30 minutes
2015-05-13T19:29:47 < ReadError> what about those fancy swiss escorts you where talking about
2015-05-13T19:30:24 < Tectu> money
2015-05-13T19:30:31 < Tectu> became an issue
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2015-05-13T19:48:58 < PaulFertser> MrMobius: s/macros/inline function/ for the sake of type safety
2015-05-13T20:02:47 < englishman> dont copy that floppy http://venom.crowdstrike.com/
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2015-05-13T20:05:53 < MrMobius> are the hardware registers not defined in a header somewhere?
2015-05-13T20:05:58 < MrMobius> GPIOA_MODER etc
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2015-05-13T21:22:47 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEbA6cUWMAAWskx.jpg
2015-05-13T21:22:49 < dongs> haha
2015-05-13T21:25:14 < akaWolf> dongs: is it your homework? :)
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2015-05-13T21:31:54 < BrainDamage> this is more dongs' style: http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/gadgets/selfie-vibrator-with-hd-camera-nsfw.asp
2015-05-13T21:32:21 < dongs> but does it have bluetooth
2015-05-13T21:40:54 < Steffanx> i still didnt see a product website of the one you made dongs
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2015-05-14T00:35:05 < qyx_> swpmi single wire protocol, wut
2015-05-14T00:35:53 < qyx_> some new peripherals in the L4 series
2015-05-14T00:37:01 < qyx_> "The LPUART has a clock domain independent from the CPU clock,"
2015-05-14T00:37:02 < qyx_> \o/
2015-05-14T00:37:30 < qyx_> also all USARTS
2015-05-14T00:38:44 < qyx_> also they can be used to wake from stop modes
2015-05-14T00:39:14 < zyp> «The Single wire protocol master interface (SWPMI) is the master interface corresponding to the Contactless Frontend (CLF) defined in the ETSI TS 102 613 technical specification.»
2015-05-14T00:39:18 < zyp> whatever that is
2015-05-14T00:39:53 < zyp> looks like some smart card protocol
2015-05-14T00:40:02 < qyx_> never heard of it
2015-05-14T00:40:42 < zyp> http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102600_102699/102613/07.03.00_60/ts_102613v070300p.pdf
2015-05-14T00:41:51 < zyp> sounds kinda useless if it supports master only
2015-05-14T00:42:00 < zyp> unless you want to make a chip card reader :p
2015-05-14T00:42:48 < qyx_> SAI with SPDIF O_o
2015-05-14T00:43:13 < zyp> that's not new, f42x can also do that AFAIK
2015-05-14T00:43:57 < qyx_> and quadspi DDR support
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2015-05-14T00:51:30 < qyx_> "The device embeds a Firewall which protects code sensitive and secure data from any
2015-05-14T00:51:34 < qyx_> access performed by a code executed outside of the protected areas."
2015-05-14T00:51:36 < qyx_> huh
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2015-05-14T01:23:05 < Laurenceb_> this is a troll right?
2015-05-14T01:23:06 < Laurenceb_> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/05/13/1647212/new-device-could-greatly-improve-speech-and-image-recognition
2015-05-14T01:23:17 < Laurenceb_> reads like turboencabulator
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2015-05-14T02:09:00 < kakimir> ok mouser doesn't ship from europe
2015-05-14T02:09:11 < kakimir> but from tx, murica
2015-05-14T02:11:56 < kakimir> have you guys used fet as shunt?
2015-05-14T02:12:28 < kakimir> when fet is power switch, not switching
2015-05-14T02:14:10 < zyp> is rds_on constant enough that you can do that?
2015-05-14T02:14:28 < zyp> I'd expect rds_on to vary with temperature and whatnot
2015-05-14T02:15:27 < kakimir> temperature is known*
2015-05-14T02:16:19 < zyp> sounds like a lot of hassle
2015-05-14T02:17:09 < zyp> also, how do you handle the voltage across the fet when it's switched off?
2015-05-14T02:17:39 < kakimir> I had to triple amount of low rds fets to get heat production down when I realized my shunt has resistance tenfolds
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2015-05-14T02:18:19 < kakimir> I'm just thinking about it..
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2015-05-14T02:22:11 < kakimir> there is no solution
2015-05-14T02:22:29 < kakimir> or simple enough solution
2015-05-14T02:23:09 < kakimir> some input switches and clamping of inputs but
2015-05-14T02:23:31 < kakimir> not stylish enough
2015-05-14T02:25:24 < kakimir> what do you think?
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2015-05-14T02:27:08 < kakimir> let's call it a day>
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2015-05-14T05:16:19 < dongs> R2COM: not much i found ADI evalboard for like $77 yeesterday
2015-05-14T05:16:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iN78oIx.jpg
2015-05-14T05:16:27 < dongs> such ripoff
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2015-05-14T05:57:02 < dongs> ADP product, obviously
2015-05-14T05:57:14 < dongs> eh duno some random shit off idgikey
2015-05-14T05:57:30 < dongs> just agreeing its expensive
2015-05-14T05:57:35 < dongs> for a shitty switcher + some caps
2015-05-14T06:02:22 < PeterM> R2COM r u srs all they do is copy pasta the recommended layout from the datasheet
2015-05-14T06:02:30 < PeterM> trollface.jpg
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2015-05-14T06:36:29 < dongs> https://developer.mbed.org/teams/mbed/code/mbed-HDK/file/13c12e0fb57f/NXP/LPC1768/LPC1768.pdf ... how the fuck do I download this stupid fucking PDF
2015-05-14T06:40:20 < PeterM> that is a fuckn amazeing question
2015-05-14T06:43:20 < dongs> i ended up sucking it up and downloading the fucking eagle .sch
2015-05-14T06:43:24 < dongs> cuz i could copypaste that shit
2015-05-14T06:43:26 < dongs> cuz its xml
2015-05-14T06:43:28 < dongs> fucking aids
2015-05-14T06:43:42 < dongs> i have eagle6.3, you cant even drag and drop .sch on top of it
2015-05-14T06:43:43 < dongs> to open the shit
2015-05-14T06:43:47 < dongs> what the fuck its 2015
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2015-05-14T06:47:19 < PeterM> i opened eagle to look at a schematic the other day and was like its 2015 and i can't jsut unselect all tools/commands, and click on something to select it?
2015-05-14T06:47:28 < dongs> no
2015-05-14T06:47:39 < PeterM> peice of shit
2015-05-14T06:47:42 < Roklobotomy> Zis is nicht how ze Germans do tings.
2015-05-14T06:47:42 < dongs> i still dont know how to click on a net ein eagle
2015-05-14T06:47:50 < dongs> and highlight all connected wires
2015-05-14T06:48:08 < dongs> ie. eequiv of alt-click in altidong
2015-05-14T06:49:06 < PeterM> there atleast should be the equivient of u->n though, RIGHT?
2015-05-14T06:49:32 < dongs> you'd hopw so
2015-05-14T06:50:19 < dongs> holy fuck
2015-05-14T06:50:24 < dongs> this dude made footprint
2015-05-14T06:50:30 < dongs> none of the pins are on grid
2015-05-14T06:50:38 < dongs> its like the whole thing is made on grid1
2015-05-14T06:52:03 < PeterM> nah brahg its on a 0.0001mm grid for sure
2015-05-14T06:52:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TlX8wkh.png also has amaze like this
2015-05-14T06:53:55 < PeterM> dafuq
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2015-05-14T06:55:32 < dongs> ya man i dont even
2015-05-14T06:57:25 < dongs> damn none of his symbols are on grid
2015-05-14T06:57:27 < dongs> this is fucking aids
2015-05-14T07:00:00 < dongs> also, lol @ nxp. USB connect signal (the one to pullup 1.5K to 3.3V is active LOW
2015-05-14T07:00:10 < dongs> so you need to waste space for inverter or transistor
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2015-05-14T07:16:12 < MrMobius> so the blinky from the GCC plugin for Eclipse uses trace_printf for debugging
2015-05-14T07:16:37 < MrMobius> any idea how i should get that debug info?
2015-05-14T07:16:54 < dongs> printf debugging is pretty dumb
2015-05-14T07:16:58 < dongs> just use the debugger?????????????
2015-05-14T07:18:09 < MrMobius> i suppose
2015-05-14T07:18:14 < MrMobius> i was just curious whats going on
2015-05-14T07:33:52 < dongs> sounds dumb and american
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2015-05-14T08:01:04 < dongs> wtff
2015-05-14T08:01:15 < dongs> when i update layouf from this idiots schema
2015-05-14T08:01:22 < dongs> all parts end up like million places around screen
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2015-05-14T08:23:55 < dongs> lolz
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2015-05-14T08:54:32 < dongs> SWDIO voltage is like 3.3V irght?
2015-05-14T08:54:40 < dongs> it doesnt do any funny half-level signalling shit?
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2015-05-14T09:31:53 < PaulFertser> dongs: SWDIO voltage is Vcc
2015-05-14T09:32:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, no tricks, just logical 0 and 1.
2015-05-14T09:32:24 < dongs> weird
2015-05-14T09:32:29 < dongs> these fucking boards are like 2.1V
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2015-05-14T09:33:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rXbJkHN.jpg
2015-05-14T09:33:11 < dongs> lol
2015-05-14T09:35:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: what debug adapter is that? Does it follow target's Vcc?
2015-05-14T09:35:25 < dongs> jlink ya
2015-05-14T09:35:29 < dongs> and targetvcc is set
2015-05-14T09:37:11 < PaulFertser> What do you mean set?
2015-05-14T09:37:16 < dongs> as in
2015-05-14T09:37:18 < dongs> its connected
2015-05-14T09:37:21 < dongs> 3.3V from target
2015-05-14T09:37:28 < dongs> to the target vcc sense pin of jtag shit
2015-05-14T09:37:41 < PaulFertser> Weird
2015-05-14T09:39:12 < PaulFertser> dongs: probably that idle level is totally ok, just nobody drives the line hard. But that glitch near the end is worrying.
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2015-05-14T09:42:43 < GargantuaSauce_> it's got a funny shape
2015-05-14T09:45:32 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-14T09:45:45 < dongs> incidentally, the board fucks up in a bunch of bizzare ways
2015-05-14T09:46:04 < dongs> like flashing and then reading back gets back totally different data
2015-05-14T09:46:05 < dongs> huhu
2015-05-14T09:46:05 < PaulFertser> Coincidence?
2015-05-14T09:46:20 < PaulFertser> ;)
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2015-05-14T09:58:13 < ReadError> dongs im bored, will timecop plays Altium Cloner be on today?
2015-05-14T09:58:52 < dongs> oh i might
2015-05-14T09:58:55 < dongs> i need to do this d umb lpc board
2015-05-14T09:58:57 < dongs> breakout
2015-05-14T10:00:50 < PeterM> i want to see glorious nippon ninja pcb layout
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2015-05-14T10:03:54 < dongs> haha
2015-05-14T10:03:56 < dongs> its more like
2015-05-14T10:04:01 < dongs> "this shit doesnt work, so do this schematic on 2L
2015-05-14T10:04:03 < dongs> to see what we fucked up
2015-05-14T10:04:06 < dongs> so we stop burning 4L boards on it
2015-05-14T10:11:15 < dongs> http://www.twitch.tv/timecop1818 boring trash in progress
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2015-05-14T10:12:23 < ReadError> \o/ \o\ /o/
2015-05-14T10:14:11 < ReadError> the grid background does some trippy shit on twitch
2015-05-14T10:14:29 < GargantuaSauce_> yeah periodic patterns like that are pathological for h.264
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2015-05-14T10:18:23 < GargantuaSauce_> damn that looks cool though
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2015-05-14T10:28:18 < dongs> THAT FUCKING BUG
2015-05-14T10:28:27 < dongs> drag a god damn room and copper stays
2015-05-14T10:29:14 < ReadError> cant lock them together?
2015-05-14T10:29:58 < dongs> fucking garbage
2015-05-14T10:30:01 < dongs> one will move one wont lo'
2015-05-14T10:31:56 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-14T10:32:00 < dongs> halp
2015-05-14T10:32:20 < dongs> huhu
2015-05-14T10:32:29 < dongs> !?!?!?!?
2015-05-14T10:34:35 < ReadError> theres no lock group feature?
2015-05-14T10:36:04 < dongs> tehre is
2015-05-14T10:36:05 < dongs> it doenst work tho
2015-05-14T10:36:38 < dongs> i got it tho
2015-05-14T10:36:49 < dongs> select all in room, unselect room, manually add pours, reslect room
2015-05-14T10:36:50 < dongs> done
2015-05-14T10:36:51 < PeterM> i'd comment but my internet is too shit to watch
2015-05-14T10:38:55 < ReadError> my biggest frustration with Altium is my libs
2015-05-14T10:39:15 < ReadError> fuckin PITA to migrate things over or boring as hell rather
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2015-05-14T10:46:37 < ReadError> plus my bootleg copy throws fuckin errors out sometimes
2015-05-14T10:46:39 < ReadError> memory access etc
2015-05-14T10:47:32 < varesa> I got fed up with the altium "misc devices" footprints for resistors caps etc. Spent an hour creating a lib with a bunch of footprints from some IPC pdf
2015-05-14T10:47:51 < dongs> i never used default libs
2015-05-14T10:47:54 < dongs> idnt even know they existed
2015-05-14T10:47:57 < dongs> all my shit is custom
2015-05-14T10:48:04 < dongs> it was way faster to make shit i needed to use
2015-05-14T10:48:06 < dongs> than uh
2015-05-14T10:48:09 < ReadError> yea why cant there just be like a lib with useful shit
2015-05-14T10:48:11 < dongs> look for someone elses shit
2015-05-14T10:48:16 < dongs> beacuse you dont need one
2015-05-14T10:48:18 < dongs> its SUPER EASY OT MAKE
2015-05-14T10:48:22 < ReadError> yea the footprint stuff is much easier
2015-05-14T10:48:22 < varesa> mine is beginning to be self made too
2015-05-14T10:50:38 < varesa> Like this library I've got has footprints "C0805", "6-0805_[L|M|N]" and something like "0603". wtf?
2015-05-14T10:51:57 < varesa> and the schematic symbols had comments on like "Res" or "Cap"
2015-05-14T10:52:14 < varesa> not using those anymore :p
2015-05-14T10:58:46 < ReadError> grr why the fuck is altium using 50% CPU
2015-05-14T10:58:48 < ReadError> and not doing shit
2015-05-14T10:58:57 < GargantuaSauce_> mining bitcoins
2015-05-14T10:59:10 < ReadError> i have it in a VM not connected to internet
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2015-05-14T11:01:12 < PeterM> readerror probably the dodgy russian pirate version using your computer in btnet
2015-05-14T11:01:22 < ReadError> hmm how do you even add stuff to a library, like if I have a component that is good and has the symbol/footprint/package/model etc
2015-05-14T11:01:58 < ReadError> PeterK thats why i run sketchy stuff in a VM w/o networking ;)
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2015-05-14T11:02:16 < PeterM> implying russians can't un-airgap
2015-05-14T11:02:28 < PeterM> also, you need to press tab again
2015-05-14T11:02:41 < ReadError> oh god damnit
2015-05-14T11:02:47 < ReadError> theres only room for 1 Peter here
2015-05-14T11:03:00 < GargantuaSauce_> yeah and it's me
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2015-05-14T11:04:00 < varesa> ReadError: you want to copy a component from library to another or what?
2015-05-14T11:04:19 < ReadError> yea, taking useful stuff and putting it in to my own
2015-05-14T11:04:45 < stukdev> anyone have some problem using spi on stm32f4? when i send data with the hal the first byte is always zero
2015-05-14T11:05:27 < varesa> open the library you want to copy from. If it's a intlib say "Extract sources". Go to the "PCB Library"/"Schematic library"/... tabs and copy whatever you want. Go to your own library and paste
2015-05-14T11:05:35 < varesa> That's pretty much what I do
2015-05-14T11:08:57 < PeterM> i made a shedload of passives for my library with a keyboard record prgram, text file with e192 values, duplicate last component, properties, delete value, text file, cut first line of text, altium, paste in value field, ok,  duplicate last component....
2015-05-14T11:10:41 < PeterM> also GargantuaSauce_, for sure you name is peter too?
2015-05-14T11:10:52 < GargantuaSauce_> last i checked, yeah
2015-05-14T11:11:03 < Lux> dongs: doing 3d printer stuff ?
2015-05-14T11:11:36 < dongs> no
2015-05-14T11:11:51 < dongs> fixing someones fuckup to see what they did wrong
2015-05-14T11:12:39 < Lux> ah ok, looks like a fun board to route
2015-05-14T11:12:41 < PeterM> GargantuaSauce_, then get out,3s acrowd
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2015-05-14T11:12:45 < dongs> no, its dumb
2015-05-14T11:12:48 < dongs> most of the shit isnt even connected
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2015-05-14T11:15:42 < GargantuaSauce_> no u
2015-05-14T11:17:11 < PeterM> mate, im a REGISTERED Peter, sit down.
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2015-05-14T11:17:34 < GargantuaSauce_> i propose a dick-waving contest to settle this matter
2015-05-14T11:21:53 < PeterM> GargantuaSauce_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsA8C0zqIYc
2015-05-14T11:22:21 < GargantuaSauce_> that is a launched dick, not a waved one
2015-05-14T11:22:39 < GargantuaSauce_> this is an important distinction
2015-05-14T11:23:35 < PeterM> it waved as it hit teh face
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2015-05-14T11:45:06 < dongs> done
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2015-05-14T12:06:43 < dongs> haha
2015-05-14T12:06:47 < dongs> twitch muted some of my audio
2015-05-14T12:06:58 < dongs> COPYRIGHT INFINGED
2015-05-14T12:13:44 < dongs> A Hollywood actor, Lindsay Lohan turns to Islam
2015-05-14T12:14:23 < ReadError> oh god
2015-05-14T12:14:29 < dongs> dead srs
2015-05-14T12:14:34 < dongs> internets seems to agree
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2015-05-14T12:31:09 < Laurenceb__> the register will have to change their project names
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2015-05-14T12:31:24 < Laurenceb__> to avoid NSA attention
2015-05-14T12:32:15 < ReadError> how the fuck do i make altium run faster
2015-05-14T12:32:20 < ReadError> it seems balls slow
2015-05-14T12:32:29 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ you seen that cc1310 ?
2015-05-14T12:32:46 < Laurenceb__> looking
2015-05-14T12:32:58 < Laurenceb__> ooh M3, nice
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2015-05-14T12:33:36 < ReadError> ya looks pretty cool
2015-05-14T12:33:48 < Laurenceb__> not the best sensitivity for ballooning
2015-05-14T12:34:25 < ReadError> eh ya -121
2015-05-14T12:34:35 < ReadError> how well is LoRa even doing in reality ?
2015-05-14T12:34:41 < Laurenceb__> dunno
2015-05-14T12:34:46 < ReadError> ive heard mixed things regarding its claimed performance
2015-05-14T12:34:59 < Laurenceb__> but im within 6dB of 18bps lora with 200bps silabs
2015-05-14T12:35:10 < Laurenceb__> so it doesnt seem worth it
2015-05-14T12:35:33 < ReadError> 4463 or w/e?
2015-05-14T12:35:39 < Laurenceb__> 4463
2015-05-14T12:36:52 < ReadError> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/RFPA3800TR7/689-1077-1-ND/2567206
2015-05-14T12:36:59 < ReadError> gonna try this next
2015-05-14T12:37:11 < ReadError> should have learned up more on P1dB
2015-05-14T12:37:19 < Laurenceb__> wow nice
2015-05-14T12:37:43 < ReadError> i figure that on the output of a si4432 should give me okay output
2015-05-14T12:50:41 < Laurenceb__> http://38.media.tumblr.com/4d32711fd1f0262669aa61d3548ba1ae/tumblr_inline_mubrkiFiIJ1qctkcl.jpg
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2015-05-14T13:12:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0bd6xa2.jpg what LG 6" 1080p thing is this
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2015-05-14T13:57:44 < ReadError> grrr
2015-05-14T13:57:46 < ReadError> rage rage rage
2015-05-14T13:57:47 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/wypqP.jpg
2015-05-14T13:57:52 < ReadError> why the fuck cant i delete shit
2015-05-14T13:57:57 < ReadError> is there some magic that needs to happen
2015-05-14T14:00:56 < ReadError> oh its a designator
2015-05-14T14:01:03 < ReadError> dumb
2015-05-14T14:02:09 < ReadError> w/e that means
2015-05-14T14:06:20 < dongs> click, hide
2015-05-14T14:06:25 < dongs> in pcb inspector
2015-05-14T14:06:29 < dongs> you fucking clonerfaggot
2015-05-14T14:06:33 < ReadError> yea i can do that but i rather just delete it
2015-05-14T14:06:43 < ReadError> i dont need this text all over
2015-05-14T14:07:45 < ReadError> guess its not possible
2015-05-14T14:10:07 < dongs> its useful
2015-05-14T14:10:11 < dongs> you can always move it to another layer
2015-05-14T14:10:18 < dongs> you think like a cloner, not a designer
2015-05-14T14:11:03 < Laurenceb__> http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5b1npuzjw1qctkcl.jpg
2015-05-14T14:11:14 < dongs> so fucking old
2015-05-14T14:11:36 < ReadError> dongs well my idea was, i could make a pcb file w/ each pattern i use frequently to avoid re-drawing
2015-05-14T14:14:37 < dongs> ... wat
2015-05-14T14:14:40 < dongs> redrawing what?
2015-05-14T14:14:50 < ReadError> all my customs pads and footprints
2015-05-14T14:14:54 < dongs> ...?
2015-05-14T14:15:00 < dongs> put them in a custom library and use them in all your projects???
2015-05-14T14:15:09 < ReadError> from diptrace
2015-05-14T14:15:15 < ReadError> theres no migration path
2015-05-14T14:15:53 < dongs> sure there is, if you are THAT BORED, you can just write a converter and/or loader from diptrace ascii into altidong
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2015-05-14T14:16:11 < dongs> but WHY
2015-05-14T14:16:17 < dongs> you can redraw it like in 5 seconds
2015-05-14T14:16:39 < dongs> dicktrace lib editor was great but I didnt miss it for a second, altidong is like 1000x better
2015-05-14T14:17:34 < ReadError> i just need to figure out how to copy the components from the pcb into a PcbLib component
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2015-05-14T14:18:23 < dongs> d->p
2015-05-14T14:18:28 < dongs> then copypaste those parts.
2015-05-14T14:19:07 < ReadError> woh
2015-05-14T14:19:42 < ReadError> that was amazing
2015-05-14T14:20:54 < dongs> bro do you even rtfm
2015-05-14T14:20:59 < dongs> i mean this shit is in menus
2015-05-14T14:23:07 < zyp> heh
2015-05-14T14:24:06 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/DGehz.jpg
2015-05-14T14:24:11 < ReadError> got my sweet solder jumper
2015-05-14T14:25:18 < ReadError> this mouse scrolling towards the edge shit is obnoxious though
2015-05-14T14:25:43 < dongs> dude drawing that is 30 seconds
2015-05-14T14:25:45 < dongs> 3 polygons
2015-05-14T14:25:48 < dongs> and they'll be aligned to grid
2015-05-14T14:25:58 < dongs> and not some aids shit from dicktrace that thinkgts 2.9999 and 3.0 is same
2015-05-14T14:26:06 < dongs> this pissed me off the most about dickterace
2015-05-14T14:26:11 < ReadError> haha yea
2015-05-14T14:26:16 < dongs> enter value, reload again and its 2.999998 or someshit
2015-05-14T14:26:16 < ReadError> make a part then when you go to place it
2015-05-14T14:26:18 < ReadError> its impossible
2015-05-14T14:26:18 < dongs> get the FUCK OUT
2015-05-14T14:26:26 < ReadError> this one I did in solidworks
2015-05-14T14:26:42 < zyp> dongs, sounds like standard floating point precision
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2015-05-14T14:27:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fAj8efG.png and I drew this in altidong like in no time
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2015-05-14T14:29:56 < dongs> zyp, i don't care, then they can work in 64bit coordinates and use fixedpoint
2015-05-14T14:30:06 < dongs> like allow 5 decimal places after 5 and just * 100000 all teh shit
2015-05-14T14:30:23 < dongs> but showing these kinda numbers in UI is just bad
2015-05-14T14:30:30 < dongs> i dont care if its delphi problem or whatever excuse
2015-05-14T14:31:51 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-14T14:32:14 < dongs> for a cad thats not really excusable
2015-05-14T14:32:45 < ReadError> well fortunately I think this d->p thing will save me some time on a fair # of parts
2015-05-14T14:32:55 < ReadError> is there any other useful keycombos like a tl;dr site
2015-05-14T14:33:07 < ReadError> all the youtube shit is either annoying ass dave or some russians
2015-05-14T14:33:17 < ReadError> or people that dont talk and type in notepad
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2015-05-14T14:54:37 < varesa> ReadError: just learn the initials of the tools you use often, almost never have to move the mouse outside of the "drawing area" during general schematic/pcb work
2015-05-14T14:57:15 < dongs> enable menu hotkey underline in windows
2015-05-14T15:01:16 < ReadError> ya i got that enabled
2015-05-14T15:03:22 < baird_> Missing from my life: a desoldering station. I'm guessing that SMDish 'rework' stations are suboptimial for through-hole work? (like 1980s computer repair)
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2015-05-14T15:05:52 < englishman> why no tag-connect header dongs
2015-05-14T15:05:59 < dongs> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/020/685/848/848685020_625.jpg
2015-05-14T15:05:59 < dongs> lol
2015-05-14T15:06:03 < dongs> glorious certificates
2015-05-14T15:06:14 < englishman> those dix never replied to my scam email for a free one :(
2015-05-14T15:06:28 < karlp> this lily dronecam thing is allll over my facebook feed today
2015-05-14T15:06:48 < englishman> how many did you guy
2015-05-14T15:06:49 < ReadError> the next person that mentions that damn lily....
2015-05-14T15:06:55 < englishman> buy
2015-05-14T15:06:56 < ReadError> get a hug
2015-05-14T15:06:59  * karlp didn't buy none
2015-05-14T15:07:08 < englishman> wtf dont you want to be cool too
2015-05-14T15:07:13 < dongs> didn't buy none, so you bought some?
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2015-05-14T15:09:28 < dongs> got another private message on zano forumz
2015-05-14T15:09:40 < dongs> subject: notice
2015-05-14T15:11:36 < dongs> didn't read it, replied and said to stop sending me privatae messages
2015-05-14T15:14:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6XGUojR.jpg latest zano revision
2015-05-14T15:15:21 < dongs> week 15 of 2015
2015-05-14T15:15:33 < dongs> Week 15April 6, 2015April 12, 2015
2015-05-14T15:18:42 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td5fZhGNz9M
2015-05-14T15:20:56 < dongs> Also how about swarmed Zano doing co-ordinated filming from multiple viewpoints. That would be a feature other drones at this price point don't offer.
2015-05-14T15:21:11 < dongs> these idiots still think zano will 'swarm'
2015-05-14T15:22:07 < ReadError> did the mask flake off?
2015-05-14T15:22:17 < dongs> where?
2015-05-14T15:22:21 < dongs> no thosea re "charging pads"
2015-05-14T15:23:14 < dongs> there are like ~25 caps+rs on teh board
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2015-05-14T16:21:35 < trepidaciousMBR2> Anyone done anything with Allwinner socs? Seems like they are in a lot of SBCs
2015-05-14T16:22:41 < dongs> sure
2015-05-14T16:22:52 < dongs> its just a trashy assdroid soc with almsot no support
2015-05-14T16:23:05 < dongs> that you can copypaste reference design from and stick into anywhere
2015-05-14T16:23:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yup, seems like it :)
2015-05-14T16:23:32 < dongs> anyway, i ahve hardware made with A10 and A20
2015-05-14T16:23:38 < dongs> settopbox/tv related trash
2015-05-14T16:23:57 < dongs> really buggy, firmware coders are idiots plus they're doing it wiht assdroid, so its even more aids
2015-05-14T16:23:59 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ah cool, Android or plain Linux?
2015-05-14T16:24:05 < dongs> assdroid
2015-05-14T16:24:14 < trepidaciousMBR2> ah crap, I was worried that it would all be buggy as hell
2015-05-14T16:24:28 < trepidaciousMBR2> Have you used anything else that's been less of a pain?
2015-05-14T16:24:38 < dongs> cant beat the cost factor so
2015-05-14T16:24:41 < dongs> what are you trying to do?
2015-05-14T16:24:45 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yeah they seem super cheap
2015-05-14T16:24:46 < dongs> there's always american OMAP etc shit.
2015-05-14T16:24:55 < dongs> if its a oneoff just buy a gumstix and done
2015-05-14T16:24:57 < trepidaciousMBR2> touchscreen interface for a device
2015-05-14T16:25:06 < dongs> get a $50 chinese tablet
2015-05-14T16:25:09 < dongs> take case off
2015-05-14T16:25:12 < dongs> mount in your srhit
2015-05-14T16:25:12 < dongs> done
2015-05-14T16:25:17 < dongs> like seriously
2015-05-14T16:25:24 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yeah that was what we were thinking, but then you have to find a decent table
2015-05-14T16:25:26 < trepidaciousMBR2> t
2015-05-14T16:25:54 < dongs> no, it doesnt need to be decent
2015-05-14T16:25:57 < dongs> it just needs to be < $50
2015-05-14T16:26:53 < trepidaciousMBR2> Price isn't too much of a problem, even Atom stuff seems to be relatively cheap now. The main thing is we'd like to be able to source the same thing for a while, wondering whether a chinese manufacturer might give us something "OEM"
2015-05-14T16:29:04 < trepidaciousMBR2> We don't want to end up spending all our time working around bugs, or having to change tablet every year
2015-05-14T16:29:09 < dongs> if you're paying they will certainly. its cheaper for them to sell you a lcd + pcba without case and shit
2015-05-14T16:29:18 < Laurenceb__> why are you making a tablet?
2015-05-14T16:29:41 < trepidaciousMBR2> Laurenceb__: Not making a tablet, basically just mounting one to a device
2015-05-14T16:29:57 < Laurenceb__> ah
2015-05-14T16:30:10 < trepidaciousMBR2> For me it would be easier to just give it bluetooth and let people use their own devices, but it has to be bolted on :)
2015-05-14T16:30:43 < trepidaciousMBR2> use their own tablet/phone I mean
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2015-05-14T16:34:53 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR2: anyway, it is certainly possible to roll your own with A10/A20 shit, it doesnt take a lot of effort, the bringup/lunix image building trash is mostly there / opensores / random build tools here and there, just dont expect any support
2015-05-14T16:35:16 < dongs> plenty of example schematics/layouts for the stuff, allwinner provided some layout files for SoC + DDR2, so most peopel just copypaste that and declare victory
2015-05-14T16:35:20 < dongs> you can do it on 4L board easily
2015-05-14T16:35:36 < dongs> their companion PMIC thing, AXP206? or soemthing i dont remember, makes all the voltages the shit need
2015-05-14T16:35:45 < dongs> after that its just wahtever gpio/lcd/wahtever shit you wanna hookup to it and done
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2015-05-14T16:36:30 < dongs> it'll do lvds lcd up to 1080p so .
2015-05-14T16:36:36 < trepidaciousMBR2> dongs: Doesn't sound too bad, I mostly just worry about all the messing about with random linux stuff and waiting an hour to get a broken build ;)
2015-05-14T16:36:47 < dongs> correct
2015-05-14T16:36:56 < dongs> the software side is aids
2015-05-14T16:37:01 < dongs> hardware you can copypaste in liek a day, literally
2015-05-14T16:37:04 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yup
2015-05-14T16:37:51 < dongs> https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents/tree/master/A20
2015-05-14T16:37:52 < dongs> wow
2015-05-14T16:37:56 < dongs> allwhiner has a shithub
2015-05-14T16:38:00 < dongs> with *recent* datasheets
2015-05-14T16:38:00 < dongs> lo
2015-05-14T16:40:27 < akaWolf> looks like you are a bit surprised
2015-05-14T16:40:28 < akaWolf> :)
2015-05-14T16:42:07 < trepidaciousMBR2> There are about a million arduino clones on Kickstarter, someone should start one to get decent linux/android support for a cheap fast SoC board
2015-05-14T16:42:47 < dongs> theres a shitload of A20 hardware
2015-05-14T16:42:55 < dongs> cubieboard/bananapi/wahtever the fuck
2015-05-14T16:42:59 < dongs> all opensores-ish
2015-05-14T16:43:05 < dongs> plus tons of china clones of above
2015-05-14T16:44:49 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yup, just make another clone of one of them, but promise a decent dev environment and get everything into Linux trunk, or at least just one repository somewhere with up to date build instructions and some docs.
2015-05-14T16:45:00 < dongs> that requires actual work
2015-05-14T16:45:04 < trepidaciousMBR2> yeah :(
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2015-05-14T16:45:19 < dongs> i had to deal with some of the allwhiner trash code in the kernel and god damn
2015-05-14T16:45:31 < dongs> lunix sucks already, these guys took what was worst and made it even worse
2015-05-14T16:45:44 < dongs> "lets disregard shit thats already in lunix and invent our own shit instead"
2015-05-14T16:45:50 < dongs> (and make it broken too)
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2015-05-14T16:49:54 < zyp> heh
2015-05-14T16:51:00 < karlp> by my understanding, both allwinner and rockhip are becoming a _lot_ closer to upstream kernel with cleaner code, because their customers started bitching them out about updates to their archaic grossly forked android kernels
2015-05-14T16:51:14 < karlp> they decided it was less work to go upstream than handling BSP updates
2015-05-14T16:51:55 < dongs> right
2015-05-14T16:53:34 < karlp> of course, that's largely only applying to their _newer_ devices.
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2015-05-14T16:55:11 < dongs> heh
2015-05-14T16:55:37 < dongs> A20 has enough hardware out in the open for someone to keep bothering them until shit works
2015-05-14T16:58:27 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/qzt1w.jpg
2015-05-14T16:58:40 < ReadError> fuckin redic
2015-05-14T16:58:52 < dongs> teh fuck
2015-05-14T17:02:03 < zyp> what is? the fact that chrome sandboxes every tab in it's own process space?
2015-05-14T17:02:17 < zyp> remember when visiting certain sites would crash your entire browser?
2015-05-14T17:02:19 < dongs> is this macos or somethign
2015-05-14T17:02:23 < ReadError> no, that a tab w/ a text file needs atleast 17mb
2015-05-14T17:02:58 < zyp> better switch to elinks then
2015-05-14T17:03:31 < trepidaciousMBR2> I was wondering about getting an A20 board to mess about with
2015-05-14T17:03:53 < ReadError> lol irccloud tab is using 740MB
2015-05-14T17:04:17 < dongs> i bet
2015-05-14T17:04:22 < dongs> that javascript aids
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2015-05-14T17:10:27 < ReadError> hahah http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2015/may/12/testing-the-selfie-drone-in-central-park-video
2015-05-14T17:10:31 < ReadError> dongs @ 0:52
2015-05-14T17:10:43 < dongs> when it bites his hands with props?
2015-05-14T17:10:44 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-14T17:10:44 < dongs> s aw that
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2015-05-14T17:11:12 < ReadError> bout flew in to his face
2015-05-14T17:11:27 < dongs> thats naza 4 u
2015-05-14T17:12:57 < akaWolf> dongs: fonkraft was deleted from Indiegogo
2015-05-14T17:16:02 < dongs> akaWolf: olde news
2015-05-14T17:16:14 < dongs> not just cancelled, but deleted wiht prejudice
2015-05-14T17:16:15 < dongs> good.
2015-05-14T17:16:53 < akaWolf> yeah
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2015-05-14T17:29:17 < Laurenceb__> dongs spotted irl  http://i.imgur.com/EkJpdmS.jpg
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2015-05-14T17:30:23 < dongs> http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/tisfkh.png
2015-05-14T17:30:25 < dongs> haha
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2015-05-14T17:40:08 < akaWolf> lol
2015-05-14T17:40:09 < akaWolf> 17:31:40 <achlama> Jesus said that there is hellfire that people go to forever if they say no to him and his work on the cross as a payment for their sin. Search this in google "Jesus is savior" and click on how to be saved
2015-05-14T17:40:48 < dongs> must be trolling
2015-05-14T17:41:11 < akaWolf> maybe
2015-05-14T17:43:19 < akaWolf> too many words for trolling, I think
2015-05-14T17:43:36 < akaWolf> http://paste.akawolf.org/view/f4bof
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2015-05-14T17:54:09 < PeterM> dongs if you're still ooking for what phone/tablet that LG screen is from it may be the LG G Pro 2 - my sister has one
2015-05-14T17:54:26 < dongs> yeah, my pro indian pal with gsmarena skillz found that shit
2015-05-14T17:54:30 < dongs> it was g pro 2
2015-05-14T17:55:24 < PeterM> so youhavereplacement LCD + Digitizer but dont know what phone it is for, why?
2015-05-14T17:55:39 < dongs> gonna hook it up to my HDMI shit
2015-05-14T17:56:38 < PeterM> ahhh
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2015-05-14T17:57:08 < PeterM> also, youever going to do anythign with the chromebook dixel board?
2015-05-14T18:01:00 < dongs> yeah its done. just need to relayout so its acutally usable.
2015-05-14T18:01:37 < dongs> now cable is bent retardedly
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2015-05-14T18:17:01 < Laurenceb__> reprap users are happy  http://www.st.com/web/en/news/n3636
2015-05-14T18:18:19 < gxti> sounds good but can i get it in DIP
2015-05-14T18:18:28 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-05-14T18:18:42 < Laurenceb__> those n00bs need to learn to use servo motors
2015-05-14T18:20:10 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJmTIIpUvDQ
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2015-05-14T19:06:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> How come no one has written a decent serial terminal? Screen has no history, coolterm apparently only processes about 100 characters per second, then just buffers them up and switches to slide-show mode, gtkterm is ok but lunix only :(
2015-05-14T19:06:19 < dongs> uh putty?
2015-05-14T19:06:41 < dongs> just connect to comport as usual
2015-05-14T19:06:53 < trepidaciousMBR2> I'm on OS X :)
2015-05-14T19:06:59 < trepidaciousMBR2> Commence mocking ;)
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2015-05-14T19:08:48 < gxti> what do you mean "screen has no history"?
2015-05-14T19:08:58 < dongs> (it does)
2015-05-14T19:08:59 < gxti> as in you want client-side line editing?
2015-05-14T19:09:13 < trepidaciousMBR2> gxti: I must just be missing something
2015-05-14T19:10:00 < gxti> there's always minicom. it's kludgy and weird but it does anything you'd ever need
2015-05-14T19:10:06 < trepidaciousMBR2> ctrl-a [ maybe?
2015-05-14T19:10:06 < Laurenceb__> wordows is ok
2015-05-14T19:10:10 < Laurenceb__> *windows
2015-05-14T19:12:31 < dongs> you can scroll screen
2015-05-14T19:16:11 < trepidaciousMBR2> I was trying to get that to work, I don't seem to have much history
2015-05-14T19:16:15 < trepidaciousMBR2> I tried -h
2015-05-14T19:16:20 < trepidaciousMBR2> I should google ;)
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2015-05-14T19:34:53 < varesa> trepidaciousMBR2: I think ^A Esc goes to "copy mode" in screen
2015-05-14T19:36:09 < varesa> then you can Pg-up/pg-down or use arrow keys to move the cursor
2015-05-14T19:39:20 < karlp> trepidaciousMBR2: picocom is pretty decent.
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2015-05-14T21:36:01 < karlp> norway does slow tv on boats, australia on trains, iceland gives you 24 hours of streaming lambing http://www.ruv.is/frett/beint-fra-burdi-0
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2015-05-14T22:26:47 < kakimir> if I use fet as shunt I'm more worried about gate charge changing by amperage than temperature
2015-05-14T22:27:30 < kakimir> it can and propably will fluctuate fet
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2015-05-14T22:30:25 < kakimir> I decided to do that fet shunt thing
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2015-05-14T22:42:06 < varesa> ReadError: don't worry, a genuine altium also throws DLL errors. I'm trying to generate NC Drill files but am getting "External exception EEDFADE at 7589C42D. KERNELBASE.dll, Base Address: 75890000."
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2015-05-14T23:27:06 < karlp> jpa-: any hint on what USARTD2 is in chibios? https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/paatti-chibios/chibios/testhal/STM32/UART/main.c I've got something like that, but it just... doens't put any output out, nor trigger the rx handler, and I'm curious how it knows/chooses what usart pins that is
2015-05-14T23:28:44 < karlp> I don't see how any pads are set to AF or anything?
2015-05-14T23:29:59 < qyx_> gpio init is usually in the board.c/board.h files
2015-05-14T23:30:24 < qyx_> include $(CHIBIOS)/boards/OLIMEX_STM32_P103/board.mk
2015-05-14T23:30:39 < qyx_> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/paatti-chibios/chibios/boards/OLIMEX_STM32_P103/board.h
2015-05-14T23:31:55 < jpa-> yeah, in board.h
2015-05-14T23:32:21 < karlp> it fills me with confidence that the only person I can find on google using the uart driver is you.
2015-05-14T23:32:21 < jpa-> also am i a chibios mirror now? :D
2015-05-14T23:32:40 < karlp> is that not your code? is that standard code?
2015-05-14T23:32:51 < jpa-> yeah, the whole chibios subdir is just the chibios repo
2015-05-14T23:32:52 < karlp> because there's no demos in the chibios release that use the uart driver
2015-05-14T23:33:03 < qyx_> sure there are some
2015-05-14T23:33:04 < karlp> no the GPT driver, the other one I was looking at.
2015-05-14T23:33:31 < karlp> grep uartS demos disagrees
2015-05-14T23:33:49 < qyx_> https://github.com/ChibiOS/ChibiOS/tree/stable_2.6.x/testhal/STM32F1xx/UART
2015-05-14T23:34:05 < karlp> yeah, I had never seen this testhal before,
2015-05-14T23:34:05 < qyx_> there are two drivers, uart and serial
2015-05-14T23:34:18 < karlp> I thought it was jpa's test code to test chibios as there were no demos :)
2015-05-14T23:34:36 < karlp> yes, I'm pretty sure I want uart, not serial, but I may try it both ways.
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2015-05-14T23:35:15 < jpa-> i don't think i've ever used the uart driver
2015-05-14T23:35:56 < qyx_> me too, but for some async tasks it may be handy
2015-05-14T23:36:16 < jpa-> yeah, or for large amounts of data
2015-05-14T23:36:19 < karlp> this is for my experiments on porting freemodbus to a variety of OSs
2015-05-14T23:37:04 < qyx_> uhm, you cannot do TXEN with serial driver
2015-05-14T23:37:14 < qyx_> if the hw doesn't support it
2015-05-14T23:38:22 < karlp> kinda why I thought the uart driver was the right choice.
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2015-05-14T23:40:10 < karlp> so, https://github.com/ChibiOS/ChibiOS/blob/stable_2.6.x/boards/ST_STM32L_DISCOVERY/board.h#L277 means that no matter what you put in mcuconf.h to enable things, you _must_ modify that file?
2015-05-14T23:40:21 < karlp> or I guess I have to just do the pad af init myself,
2015-05-14T23:40:28 < karlp> nice hal..
2015-05-14T23:41:04 < qyx_> uhm, 5 different things
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2015-05-14T23:41:20 < qyx_> enable the submodule and the actual peripheral in the chconf and mcuconf
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2015-05-14T23:41:25 < karlp> done and done.
2015-05-14T23:41:26 < qyx_> then change board.h
2015-05-14T23:41:41 < qyx_> optionally change board.c, there is remapping (MAPR) if you need it
2015-05-14T23:41:41 < karlp> gross.
2015-05-14T23:42:06 < qyx_> then define const structure for peripheral config
2015-05-14T23:42:19 < qyx_> and finally use all that to init the peripheral in the main
2015-05-14T23:42:26 < karlp> yeah, that was done too, it was the board bit in the middle that wasn't being done.
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2015-05-14T23:42:55 < qyx_> personally i tend to use "empty" board files
2015-05-14T23:43:05 < qyx_> and do the things in the main
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2015-05-14T23:43:27 < karlp> well, this was using the provided discovery board file, and expecting to be able to use the peripsh, as the only code I could find didn't do anythign else :)
2015-05-14T23:44:37 < karlp> chibios port has taken _wayyy_ longer than freertos :)
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2015-05-14T23:45:30 < zyp> karlp, what are you working on? evaluating various options?
2015-05-14T23:45:41 < karlp> zyp: yeah.
2015-05-14T23:46:02 < qyx_> nah, working with freertos for the first time was pain too
2015-05-14T23:46:04 < karlp> raw+libopencm3 and freertos+libopencm3 both work nicely, looking at chibios now.
2015-05-14T23:46:13 < karlp> qyx_: this was my first time working with freertos,
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2015-05-14T23:46:30 < zyp> 20:36:01 < karlp> norway does slow tv on boats, australia on trains, iceland gives you 24 hours of streaming lambing http://www.ruv.is/frett/beint-fra-burdi-0
2015-05-14T23:46:32 < karlp> honestly, it's been learning how chibios hal has been (un)documented that's been the slwo bit.
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2015-05-14T23:46:40 < zyp> the first slow tv project here was also trains
2015-05-14T23:46:41 < qyx_> it took me almost half a day to do blinky led with freertos+libopencm3 on f401
2015-05-14T23:46:55 < qyx_> zyp: bergenline?
2015-05-14T23:46:59 < zyp> yep
2015-05-14T23:47:02 < qyx_> i like it
2015-05-14T23:47:04 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: I've used the chibios UART driver
2015-05-14T23:47:39 < karlp> trepidaciousMBR2: so, are all the callbacks in the uart config considered to be in an interrupt context? the docs aren't clear on that.
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2015-05-14T23:48:33 < karlp> what is the "offset" for in palSetGroupMode? isn't it jsut bits? instead of a single bit?
2015-05-14T23:49:02 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: Gimme a sec - although normally the interrupt context is indicated by the name of the function, I thought? I could be remembering wrongly
2015-05-14T23:49:24 < trepidaciousMBR2> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/concepts.html
2015-05-14T23:49:24 < qyx_> yeah, hal callbacks are executed directly from the interrupts
2015-05-14T23:50:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: Ah no, I'm answering the wrong question sorry, at least qyx_  knows ;)
2015-05-14T23:50:45 < karlp> trepidaciousMBR2: np, thanks :)
2015-05-14T23:51:35 < qyx_> but trepidaciousMBR2 is right too, you can use I suffixed functions here
2015-05-14T23:51:39 < qyx_> *there
2015-05-14T23:51:55 < qyx_> like with freertos
2015-05-14T23:52:16 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yup certainly my code uses chSysLockFromIsr and "I" methods in e.g. txBufferEmpty, rxEnd etc.
2015-05-14T23:52:17 < karlp> yeah, I knew I would neither either I or not I, I jsut didn't knwo what context I was being called in :)
2015-05-14T23:52:30 < karlp> _need_ either
2015-05-14T23:59:20 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: There are demos for most stuff somewhere, just maybe not for the board you have - hopefully the code for other boards should be pretty easily portable though
2015-05-14T23:59:46 < karlp> yeah, I've found test hal stuff for uart, that's it
2015-05-14T23:59:55 < karlp> not too concerned abotu looking for other boards, I knwo they're mostly similar
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2015-05-15T00:00:09 < karlp> just would like to work out how to do the palpadmod dance to get this uart to work
2015-05-15T00:00:13 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: Yup tends to be just different pins, linker etc.
2015-05-15T00:00:18 < karlp> and we've got output
2015-05-15T00:00:20 < karlp> yay
2015-05-15T00:00:26 < karlp> 	palSetPadMode(MB_USART_PORT, 2, PAL_MODE_ALTERNATE(7) | PAL_STM32_OTYPE_PUSHPULL);
2015-05-15T00:00:33 < karlp> needed the extra OTYPE_PUSHPULL at the end.
2015-05-15T00:00:42 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: Cool. Should just be the board files as qyx said, plus maybe halconf and mcuconf
2015-05-15T00:01:38 < karlp> yeah, I was planning on _not_ touching the existing shipped stuff, so I thought I only needed to modify halconf and mcuconf and chconf in my own project.
2015-05-15T00:01:58 < karlp> I've got manual uart output and rx interrupt now, I can go back to the freemodbus pieces :)
2015-05-15T00:02:20 < karlp> there's a _whole_ lot of different ways of using timers from chibios though, lots of methods there
2015-05-15T00:03:37 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: It's pretty flexible, if you want to you can also avoid the HAL, you're not forced to use it
2015-05-15T00:04:07 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: Just make sure you don't use the timer for anything in halconf, then poke stuff into registers yourself
2015-05-15T00:05:09 < karlp> yeah, trying to _only_ use chibios provided code, no other definitions or libs anywhere.
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2015-05-15T00:13:10 < kakimir> http://www.migaloo-submarines.com/
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2015-05-15T00:13:54 < kakimir> when yacht doesn't cut it
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2015-05-15T01:33:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKb0FOck44UzhTdlU/view?usp=sharing sad makerism continues
2015-05-15T01:36:38 < kakimir> planned to add one red strip for night mode
2015-05-15T01:37:22 < zyp> wat
2015-05-15T01:37:55 < kakimir> so when rotation knob is rotated ccw beyond zero point it lights red instead
2015-05-15T01:38:53 < Laurenceb_> i see bolts
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2015-05-15T01:39:21 < kakimir> weight to keep strips down
2015-05-15T01:39:28 < kakimir> while epoxy hardens
2015-05-15T01:39:34 < Laurenceb_> ah
2015-05-15T01:40:17 < kakimir> paint I used must be shittiest
2015-05-15T01:40:45 < qyx_> wtf happened to wolfson?
2015-05-15T01:41:08 < qyx_> nearly all of their codecs are out of stock on farnell
2015-05-15T01:41:52 < Laurenceb_> wolfram alpha?
2015-05-15T01:41:55 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2015-05-15T01:42:12 < qyx_> O_o acquired by cirrus logic
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2015-05-15T02:47:50 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-05-15T02:48:20 < kakimir> mein niger o/
2015-05-15T02:50:26 < dongs> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/ lol zano
2015-05-15T02:50:49 < kakimir> zano dies soon?
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2015-05-15T03:24:24 < Simon--> dongs interviewed via voip ;)
2015-05-15T03:25:52 < gxti> "TC" claimed to be living in Japan, called from a 505 number in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and said he was originally from a small town that he declined to name in "northwest Alaska."
2015-05-15T03:26:04 < gxti> surprised they did not mention his black jewish heritage and enourmous afro.
2015-05-15T03:26:59 < dongs> haha
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2015-05-15T03:34:34 < Rickta59> whois gxti
2015-05-15T03:34:42 < gxti> i am a potato
2015-05-15T03:34:53 < Rickta59> heh .. i was trying to see if you are the BMP guy
2015-05-15T03:38:42 < dongs> hes a pro hacker
2015-05-15T03:38:53 < Rickta59> the potato?
2015-05-15T03:39:01 < Rickta59> or the BMP guy
2015-05-15T03:39:05 < dongs> gxti
2015-05-15T03:42:44 < zyp> dongs, haha
2015-05-15T03:44:31 < dongs> i'm a pro twatterer now
2015-05-15T03:44:43 < dongs> ffff, already need to turn on aircon in office
2015-05-15T03:44:47 < dongs> fucking sticky shit weather
2015-05-15T03:44:59 < Simon--> http://abusemark.com/#hell.no
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2015-05-15T03:57:19 < dongs> http://haxiomic.github.io/GPU-Fluid-Experiments/html5/?q=UltraHigh whoaa trippy
2015-05-15T03:58:09 < GargantuaSauce_> "We’re not selling hardware, we’re selling a service," Reedman said. The CEO sees the company’s primary way to make money down the line as in-app purchases. These would vary, adding on new flight features like the ability to fly upside down or related services
2015-05-15T03:58:31 < dongs> 'related services' to 'flying upsiede down'
2015-05-15T03:58:35 < dongs> can you think of any??????????????
2015-05-15T03:59:06 < GargantuaSauce_> paid2crash
2015-05-15T03:59:18 < GargantuaSauce_> woah that thing is great, someone needs to remake plasma pong as a webgame from it
2015-05-15T03:59:35 < dongs> zanodude replies are hilarious
2015-05-15T03:59:38 < dongs> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2075197-follow-ups.html
2015-05-15T04:00:13 < dongs> 2bad they're posted as images and i cba to retype the stuff
2015-05-15T04:01:00 < zyp> I love the combination of using the lantronix module and writing 100% asm
2015-05-15T04:01:16 < dongs> why not write wifi stack in asm????
2015-05-15T04:01:19 < dongs> it would be 400% faster
2015-05-15T04:01:22 < dongs> makes no sense
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2015-05-15T04:03:39 < zyp> «You can get substantial increase in battery life because you can do the same work with a much slower processor.»
2015-05-15T04:04:11 < GargantuaSauce_> #justPICthings
2015-05-15T04:06:46 < zyp> this guy must be a professional bullshitter
2015-05-15T04:07:02 < GargantuaSauce_> background in commercial law
2015-05-15T04:07:40 < dongs> oh if you click 'text' tab on documentcloud shit, it OCRs it
2015-05-15T04:07:59 < dongs> horribly tho
2015-05-15T04:08:08 < GargantuaSauce_> most ocr is
2015-05-15T04:08:08 < dongs> considering original is a fucking outlook printed email or somethign
2015-05-15T04:08:23 < dongs> It can concurrently run in client mode and soft ap mode. Soft AP being a soft access point mode. So
2015-05-15T04:08:26 < dongs> the xpioo can connect to your home wifi as well as broadcast its own access point, It runs
2015-05-15T04:08:30 < dongs> 802.11/g/bln
2015-05-15T04:08:42 < dongs> just liek a week ago he was talking about  they have that 900mhz "local rf" for swarming
2015-05-15T04:08:54 < dongs> but he tells asstechnica its by the xpico module HMM
2015-05-15T04:09:07 < dongs> also, "its already FCC certified"
2015-05-15T04:09:11 < GargantuaSauce_> maybe they figured out that 915mhz is only an ism band in some regions
2015-05-15T04:09:13 < dongs> then why would they add thier own RF
2015-05-15T04:09:18 < dongs> they said it was dual
2015-05-15T04:09:24 < dongs> 800/900 or someshit.
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2015-05-15T04:10:48 < dongs> A question about frequency range of control. Firstly you task Zano not control it :-) It is tasked over WIFI running at 2.4G using 802.11b/g/n. Zano does have a second radio transceiver that runs at 915MHz or 868MHz. The frequency is region specific. North America is one frequency, Europe is another. This local RF as we call it, is not used to task Zano, it is used for Zano to share its position and speed information with other Zano.s in the local vicinity.
2015-05-15T04:15:34 < emeb> anyone ever done any IR decoding?
2015-05-15T04:15:47 < dongs> i think i used the IR decoder peripheral thing
2015-05-15T04:21:45 < emeb> Looks like this remote has a NEC protocol - 560us pulse followed by 560 or 1680 deadtime to send 0 or 1
2015-05-15T04:22:00 < emeb> but I'm trying to decode on an F030
2015-05-15T04:22:11 < emeb> so no IR peripheral - need to do in SW
2015-05-15T04:22:53 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00267896.pdf
2015-05-15T04:22:57 < dongs> here u go
2015-05-15T04:23:10 < dongs> has RC5, but you can probly steal enough ideaz
2015-05-15T04:23:23 < dongs> using input capture obv
2015-05-15T04:24:45 < karlp> heh, chibios debug error tells me "misplaced I class call", replace it with the non-I call, now it tells me misplace lock, from inside the non-I call I made.
2015-05-15T04:25:25 < dongs> emeb: usable?
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2015-05-15T04:28:46 < emeb> dongs: read that already - it's got some good ideas, but the protocols they discuss aren't directly compatible with the one I've got.
2015-05-15T04:29:10 < emeb> this has some more directly applicable stuff -> http://www.developermemo.com/1992505/
2015-05-15T04:29:54 < emeb> but it's a tutorial, so the important code is "left as an exercise for the student"
2015-05-15T04:30:06 < dongs> heh, i fired up XP VM with aliexpress messenger on it that I use to troll random chinks, the thing auto-updated and installed some taobaoprotect shit that uses up 100% cpu
2015-05-15T04:30:34 < dongs> R2COM: left to right, lawyer, soccer player, random unrelated guy
2015-05-15T04:30:38 < dongs> thats why
2015-05-15T04:31:01 < dongs> the sony badge is like, they picked him up at some trade show
2015-05-15T04:31:12 < dongs> "hey we need a 3rd guy for this group pic, stand here and pretend you belong
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2015-05-15T04:42:42 < GargantuaSauce_> but did they use THE CLOUD?
2015-05-15T04:44:10 < dongs> they did!
2015-05-15T04:44:23 < dongs> that amazing HPC
2015-05-15T04:44:28 < dongs> that draws over 9000kW
2015-05-15T04:45:10 < dongs> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1723659/
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2015-05-15T04:58:28 < kakimir> aand decided it's night of no sleep
2015-05-15T05:02:43 < kakimir> when I think about all that bacon
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2015-05-15T05:16:27 < englishman> MINISTRY OF INNOVATION / BUSINESS OF TECHNOLOGY
2015-05-15T05:16:27 < englishman> With a July launch, Europe’s largest Kickstarter still won’t show working drones
2015-05-15T05:16:27 < englishman> It raised $3.4M in two months, but questions remain about Torquing Group's Zano drone.
2015-05-15T05:16:27 < englishman> by Cyrus Farivar (UK) - May 14, 2015 10:02am EDT
2015-05-15T05:16:27 < englishman> 49
2015-05-15T05:16:28 < englishman> (Comparatively) small stakes
2015-05-15T05:16:29 < englishman> Whispers about feasibility aside, Zano's motivations are readily apparent. If the company can deliver and be successful, it stands to make a sizable profit from hardware alone—nevermind its software aspirations. Shawn DuBravac, the chief economist for the Consumer Electronic Association, famously told the assembled crowd at the 2015 Consumer Electronics Show that the global market for consumer drones will climb to $1 billion by as early a
2015-05-15T05:16:34 < englishman> s 2018.
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2015-05-15T05:16:36 < englishman> "It’s still a nascent market, and when you have a nascent market and a lot of experimentation you have a lot of projects like [Zano]," DuBravac told Ars.
2015-05-15T05:16:39 < englishman> Enlarge / The DJI Phantom 3 was unveiled in April 2015.
2015-05-15T05:16:41 < englishman> Ron Amadeo
2015-05-15T05:16:43 < englishman> DJI, maker of the Phantom, reportedly pulled in about $500 million in revenue last year. It's currently on pace to nearly double that in 2015. If these numbers are accurate, that would mean the entire drone market could blow projections like DuBravac's out of the water. Sources close to DJI told Ars that the China-based drone manufacturer is a "leader in the space" on track to make $1 billion in revenue in 2015, and it controls only 70 percent
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2015-05-15T05:16:48 < englishman> or so of the consumer drone market.
2015-05-15T05:16:52 < englishman> "I think it has to do with the robotics tech leadership that they're demonstrating and the platform opportunity that they're going to build," said Miles Clements, a vice president at industry analysts Accel Partners, which recently invested $75 million in DJI. "From a technology standpoint, it's a gross misperception that it's a knockoff tech and that it's easy to build. We're backing a [research and development] team of 600 people, where the
2015-05-15T05:16:57 < englishman> budget is bigger than the revenue of the next biggest competitor."
2015-05-15T05:16:59 < englishman> Nearly all of the drone industry analysts we spoke with had not heard of Torquing Group, nor of the Zano.
2015-05-15T05:17:01 < englishman> oh fffffffffffff
2015-05-15T05:17:03 < englishman> sorry
2015-05-15T05:20:45 < gxti> pro paste
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2015-05-15T05:40:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DaInuaZz08
2015-05-15T05:40:25 < kakimir> musics
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2015-05-15T06:24:19 < kakimir> some swedish shiet
2015-05-15T06:29:20 < GargantuaSauce_> oh it's time for musicspam is it?
2015-05-15T06:29:22 < GargantuaSauce_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd49X3dGZbw
2015-05-15T06:34:01 < GargantuaSauce_> sweet bass
2015-05-15T06:35:02 < PeterM> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGHvB6B2hbc
2015-05-15T06:35:19 < PeterM> (i understand its czech)
2015-05-15T06:35:22 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSboz9yGCok
2015-05-15T06:35:27 < ReadError> for kakimir
2015-05-15T06:42:57 < kakimir> I need bacon>
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2015-05-15T07:01:16 < dongs> fuck i hate 0.4mm pitch QFP
2015-05-15T07:01:32 < dongs> thats at the point where ytou just wonder why didnt these dicks just put it in a bga
2015-05-15T07:02:50 < dongs> as5060 is what? chinaoven?
2015-05-15T07:02:53 < dongs> ...
2015-05-15T07:03:29 < dongs> yes you need paste for bga, lolz.
2015-05-15T07:03:35 < GargantuaSauce_> balls are touching
2015-05-15T07:04:35 < GargantuaSauce_> are you at least using flux when you do that
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2015-05-15T07:10:07 < ReadError> dongs
2015-05-15T07:10:14 < ReadError> if i draw a wire between some pins
2015-05-15T07:10:18 < ReadError> and move the package
2015-05-15T07:10:24 < ReadError> why the fuck does the wire stay
2015-05-15T07:10:34 < dongs> pcb?
2015-05-15T07:10:37 < ReadError> sch
2015-05-15T07:10:43 < dongs> ctrl+drag i think, or md
2015-05-15T07:11:02 < dongs> but i can think of very little reasons for this to be needed
2015-05-15T07:11:23 < ReadError> oh md does it
2015-05-15T07:11:40 < ReadError> still dumb default behavior
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2015-05-15T07:15:16 < ds2> what's wrong with 0.4mm qfp?
2015-05-15T07:16:23 < ds2> 0 problems with them using non regulated toaster oven assembly
2015-05-15T07:20:17 < dongs> pics or it didnt happen
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2015-05-15T07:23:14 < ds2> don't see how picts will make a difference
2015-05-15T07:23:38 < ds2> mpu6500a
2015-05-15T07:23:50 < ds2> but that can't prove it worked or not
2015-05-15T07:24:09 < ds2> this isn't a question of was it fab'ed but rather a question of did it assemble right
2015-05-15T07:24:17 < dongs> thats QFN
2015-05-15T07:24:18 < dongs> not QFP
2015-05-15T07:24:20 < dongs> lrn2read
2015-05-15T07:24:40 < ds2> what's the difference?
2015-05-15T07:24:46 < ds2> from an assembly point of view
2015-05-15T07:25:45 < ds2> unless you have bent the leads
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2015-05-15T07:31:47 < GargantuaSauce_> isnt bridging way easier for qfp
2015-05-15T07:34:50 < ds2> why would that be?
2015-05-15T07:37:16 < dongs> because it is
2015-05-15T07:38:33 < GargantuaSauce_> the qfn leads are recessed a bit right? so the package is sitting right on the soldermask
2015-05-15T07:39:11 < GargantuaSauce_> so there's an actual solid barrier between the pads instead of just air
2015-05-15T07:47:30 < ReadError> dongs how do you change layers while routing on a kb w/o a numpad??
2015-05-15T07:47:38 < ReadError> everything i read is like numpad +/-
2015-05-15T07:47:51 < dongs> l
2015-05-15T07:48:31 < ReadError> ya that just beeps
2015-05-15T07:48:47 < dongs> did you drop a via??????????????
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2015-05-15T07:54:06 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/3fhBy.jpg
2015-05-15T07:54:12 < ReadError> shit went full retard on me
2015-05-15T07:56:33 < dongs> pebkac
2015-05-15T07:57:33 < ReadError> is there no way to do it diptrace style where you can cycle between layers w/ 1,2,3,4 and it drops a via on change?
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2015-05-15T08:05:52 < ReadError> hm now it works
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2015-05-15T08:23:05 < dongs> pt, route, click , click, 2 to drop via, l to switch to layer, continue routing etc.
2015-05-15T08:23:17 < dongs> and stop using a fucking macbook
2015-05-15T08:28:29 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311358879686 please tell me this is not a $7000 power supply lol
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2015-05-15T09:10:01 < dongs> twatch.tv interface is so fucking dumbv omg
2015-05-15T09:14:13 < ReadError> are you going to live stream the seriouslyWANK cloning?
2015-05-15T09:15:46 < dongs> i forgot what i was gonna do but it wasnt that
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2015-05-15T09:42:53 < stukdev> everyday when i turn on my stm32f4 board, and try connect to the usb virtual com port i get unable to connet port is locked....everyday :) The solution is refalsh the firwmare...the same firmare...
2015-05-15T09:42:58 < stukdev> firmware*
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2015-05-15T09:45:15 < PeterM> [15:28] <dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311358879686 please tell me this is not a $7000 power supply lol
2015-05-15T09:45:40 < PeterM> its a source measure unit
2015-05-15T09:45:56 < PeterM> power supply, true current source, DMM, arbitrary waveform generator, V or I pulse generator with measurement, electronic load, and trigger controller - all in one instrument
2015-05-15T09:46:39 < PeterM> current and voltage supply with 6-8 digit accuracy
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2015-05-15T10:01:46 < akaWolf> PeterM: nice one thing
2015-05-15T10:03:32 < dongs> hooly shit
2015-05-15T10:03:46 < dongs> i didnt set master volume on CS43L22
2015-05-15T10:03:53 < dongs> so i thought it was kinda crappy and quiet
2015-05-15T10:04:06 < dongs> cranked that shit up and the litte garbage speaker I have is bouncing off the desk
2015-05-15T10:04:40 < dongs> tjere
2015-05-15T10:04:47 < dongs> there's like "pcm" volume and i thought that was it
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2015-05-15T10:06:53 < PeterM> dongs 1W iss surprisingly large amount of power for small speaker
2015-05-15T10:07:19 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-15T10:07:33 < dongs> gonna hook it up to one of these chink bone transmission speakers
2015-05-15T10:08:29 < PeterM> lulz
2015-05-15T10:22:03 < dongs> hm wtf
2015-05-15T10:22:05 < dongs> doesnt do anythign
2015-05-15T10:22:44 < dongs> hm its 5ohm
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2015-05-15T10:35:45 < dongs> oh
2015-05-15T10:35:52 < dongs> my hdmi audio was dum
2015-05-15T10:36:00 < dongs> works
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2015-05-15T11:29:49 < kakimir> do you ever have like this vision how you die?
2015-05-15T11:31:06 < kakimir> it get instresting when you see how you end up in that situation
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2015-05-15T11:36:16 < kakimir> and you need to pay attension to your moves
2015-05-15T11:48:44 < kakimir> whole thing may be hallucination
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2015-05-15T12:06:41 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbjloV0lRSkROWXc/view?usp=sharing bit lame for 20W
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2015-05-15T12:07:17 < kakimir> what you expect for chinaleds
2015-05-15T12:08:17 < kakimir> but will definitelly light the bench
2015-05-15T12:08:34 < kakimir> I just need 35V psupply
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2015-05-15T12:13:33 < Cyric_>  a stm32 running a 3.3 v...is also 5 volt tollerant?
2015-05-15T12:13:52 < Cyric_> can i apply 5 v pulses on it or i need to shift it down?
2015-05-15T12:17:52 < PaulFertser> dongs: solved the weird swdio riddle yet?
2015-05-15T12:18:00 < PaulFertser> Would be interesting to know the culprit.
2015-05-15T12:18:16 < dongs> PaulFertser: i made a pcb with just the chip + shit to test it out.
2015-05-15T12:18:17 < PaulFertser> Cyric_: check the datasheet, some (most) pinst are 5V tolerant. But not all of them.
2015-05-15T12:18:25 < Cyric_> ok thanks
2015-05-15T12:18:49 < Cyric_> i am already doing that... worst case i use two resistors
2015-05-15T12:19:21 < PaulFertser> Would be silly to waste time on that if the pin in question is capable.
2015-05-15T12:20:42 < Cyric_> sure
2015-05-15T12:23:33 < Cyric_> great it is :)
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2015-05-15T13:16:16 < dongs> sup zano bakers
2015-05-15T13:16:37 < ReadError> just stoning
2015-05-15T13:16:42 < dongs> not surprised
2015-05-15T13:16:44 < dongs> except
2015-05-15T13:16:52 < dongs> < ReadError> just cloning
2015-05-15T13:16:53 < dongs> is wat i saw
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2015-05-15T13:17:44 < ReadError> hardly, theres nothing worth cloning lately
2015-05-15T13:18:12 < dongs> lol
2015-05-15T13:34:03 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/15/rockblock_compo_poll/
2015-05-15T13:34:13 < Laurenceb_> should be called ISLAM ?
2015-05-15T13:34:36 < Laurenceb_> based on recent news
2015-05-15T13:40:11 < ReadError> gdamn how long are they going to blog about that
2015-05-15T13:40:18 < ReadError> just send the plane to space already
2015-05-15T13:55:30 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-05-15T13:55:38 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used freecad?
2015-05-15T13:56:13 < dongs> yes, it sucsk
2015-05-15T13:56:19 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-05-15T13:56:20 < dongs> use solvespace instead
2015-05-15T13:56:23 < dongs> seriously
2015-05-15T13:56:24 < ReadError> get solidworks
2015-05-15T13:56:27 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting "fillet error"
2015-05-15T13:56:29 < ReadError> fuck freetard CAD tools
2015-05-15T13:56:34 < Laurenceb_> dunno why my fillet is wrong
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2015-05-15T13:56:41 < dongs> Laurenceb_: solvespace
2015-05-15T13:56:52 < Laurenceb_> ok I'll take a look
2015-05-15T13:56:58 < ReadError> or if you really hate yourself, openscad
2015-05-15T13:57:11 < Laurenceb_> nooo
2015-05-15T13:57:15 < Laurenceb_> dont like that
2015-05-15T13:57:22 < dongs> jesus fucking christ
2015-05-15T13:57:26 < dongs> zano forums got a new skin
2015-05-15T13:57:34 < dongs> using thier retarded yellow/black branding
2015-05-15T13:57:34 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2015-05-15T13:57:39 < Laurenceb_> i might have an idea
2015-05-15T13:57:41 < dongs> i reloaded page and almost shit myself
2015-05-15T13:57:47 < Laurenceb_> my fillet goes inside another shape
2015-05-15T13:57:50 < Laurenceb_> rage
2015-05-15T14:00:58 < Laurenceb_> shrug I'll fix it later
2015-05-15T14:01:08 < Laurenceb_> fillet works if i dont do intersecting shaped
2015-05-15T14:01:37 < Laurenceb_>  "fillet error", so informative
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2015-05-15T14:48:14 < englishman> solvespace is pretty neat
2015-05-15T14:48:24 < englishman> sometimes I want to fucking destroy solidworks
2015-05-15T14:56:51 < ReadError> why does altium max out at 50% CPU
2015-05-15T14:57:18 < ReadError> only uses 1 core?
2015-05-15T14:57:30 < zyp> do you only have a dual core cpu?
2015-05-15T14:57:41 < zyp> and yes, single threaded processes is normal
2015-05-15T14:57:53 < ReadError> well its in parallels, I have more than 1 allocated
2015-05-15T14:58:15 < ReadError> I have 2 on this virtual
2015-05-15T14:58:25 < zyp> there you have it then
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2015-05-15T14:58:46 < zyp> what are you doing that consumes that much cpu anyway?
2015-05-15T14:58:53 < ReadError> trying to remove installed libs
2015-05-15T14:58:55 < zyp> I don't think I've ever looked at altium's cpu load
2015-05-15T14:59:01 < ReadError> it just fuckin hangs
2015-05-15T14:59:05 < ReadError> and uses a dickload of cpu
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2015-05-15T15:15:04 < ReadError> guess I was trying to remove too many at once
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2015-05-15T15:34:51 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/l7Jig.jpg
2015-05-15T15:35:02 < dongs> cloner
2015-05-15T15:35:08 < ReadError> is there a good way to view side-by-side sch vs pcb file?
2015-05-15T15:35:13 < ReadError> to verify pinmap
2015-05-15T15:35:34 < ReadError> like i would expect, i click a pin, and the shit turns red in the lower right
2015-05-15T15:35:39 < dongs> double click footprint
2015-05-15T15:35:49 < dongs> top right pin map
2015-05-15T15:36:07 < ReadError> yea but thats just #s
2015-05-15T15:36:40 < ReadError> like you know in diptrace where it has the scheme graphic on the left, and the footprint on the right
2015-05-15T15:36:43 < ReadError> something similar to that
2015-05-15T15:36:44 < dongs> there is not
2015-05-15T15:36:49 < dongs> dont make shit footprints
2015-05-15T15:37:00 < ReadError> right but its a nice sanity check
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2015-05-15T15:53:14 < GargantuaSauce_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGjVW9QsoD4
2015-05-15T16:09:15 < PeterM> ReadError, what version of altium are you using that is so fuill og bugs and shit?
2015-05-15T16:09:40 < ReadError> 15.0
2015-05-15T16:09:58 < ReadError> now I need to figure out how to put text on top of my 3d rendered parts
2015-05-15T16:10:06 < ReadError> like =Value
2015-05-15T16:10:14 < ReadError> so I can make sweet 3d renders
2015-05-15T16:12:22 < PeterM> if you're only on 15.0 then thers youre problem, you should have been notifiedthat all the versions from then have basically been bug fix versions
2015-05-15T16:12:51 < ReadError> 15.0.15 Build 41991
2015-05-15T16:12:55 < ReadError> thought it was new
2015-05-15T16:13:21 < PeterM> 15.1.8 is latest iirc
2015-05-15T16:13:34 < PeterM> 44021
2015-05-15T16:15:27 < ReadError> wtf didnt 15.1 just come out?
2015-05-15T16:15:35 < ReadError> and they are up to 15.1.8
2015-05-15T16:19:02 < dongs> wut
2015-05-15T16:19:06 < dongs> 15.0.8 you mean
2015-05-15T16:19:17 < dongs> er 15.0.15 is mine latest
2015-05-15T16:19:28 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer+Version+15.0
2015-05-15T16:20:27 < dongs> where the fuck is 15.1?
2015-05-15T16:20:28 < dongs> that shit isnt out
2015-05-15T16:20:33 < ReadError> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer+Version+15.1
2015-05-15T16:20:36 < ReadError> apparently it is?
2015-05-15T16:20:42 < ReadError> and they are up to 15.1.9 lol
2015-05-15T16:20:42 < dongs> oh da fuq
2015-05-15T16:20:47 < dongs> how did you get that url
2015-05-15T16:21:05 < dongs> 6266Altium Designer no longer hangs after setting 3D Body height in 3D mode.
2015-05-15T16:21:06 < dongs> haha
2015-05-15T16:21:07 < ReadError> i just changed the 0 to 1
2015-05-15T16:23:51 < dongs> k downloading 15.1.9
2015-05-15T16:23:55 < dongs> ive been missing out
2015-05-15T16:24:09 < PeterM> since altium said they'd continue  doing bugfixes for 14, im still on 14.somethingbullshit
2015-05-15T16:24:17 < ReadError> I need to wait on R2COM's boys to give me a copy
2015-05-15T16:24:52 < PeterM> ReadError, do you go to university or something? you m,ight be able to ya know, actually get a legit copy...
2015-05-15T16:25:04 < ReadError> PeterM I have an .edu email address
2015-05-15T16:25:14 < PeterM> you need a bit mroe than that unfortunately
2015-05-15T16:25:17 < ReadError> but im not enrolled
2015-05-15T16:25:41 < dongs> readstoner doesnt go to school
2015-05-15T16:25:52 < ReadError> readstoner finished school, bish
2015-05-15T16:26:08 < ReadError> professional software engineer
2015-05-15T16:26:12 < ReadError> lul
2015-05-15T16:29:05 < PeterM> >professioonal
2015-05-15T16:29:07 < PeterM> >software
2015-05-15T16:29:25 < GargantuaSauce_> i too am a "professional" "software" "engineer"
2015-05-15T16:29:40 < dongs> I'm a professional internet troll, without ""'s
2015-05-15T16:29:56 < dongs> and now I'm also a reputabl drone advisor for asstechnica
2015-05-15T16:30:11 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/4nO6f.jpg
2015-05-15T16:30:16 < GargantuaSauce_> did you just talk about the battery or did they cut out like 95% of your rant
2015-05-15T16:30:16 < ReadError> found a bug
2015-05-15T16:30:20 < ReadError> huhuh
2015-05-15T16:30:29 < dongs> ReadError: looool.
2015-05-15T16:30:31 < ReadError> lol dongs is the article up?
2015-05-15T16:30:34 < dongs> ReadError: yes
2015-05-15T16:30:38 < ReadError> link?
2015-05-15T16:30:40 < dongs> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/
2015-05-15T16:30:49 < dongs> GargantuaSauce_: i talked about a bunch of shit, but it was like 95% over that guys head
2015-05-15T16:31:00 < dongs> i said if he wanted more info he should chat to some local pro EE
2015-05-15T16:31:41 < GargantuaSauce_> shoulda told him to sit in #acrotards for a day
2015-05-15T16:32:24 < dongs> he's too pro of a twitter user for irc
2015-05-15T16:32:38 < ReadError> There’s also an active (albeit poorly followed) Twitter user (@zanoconspiracy) devoted to exposing the alleged scheme. When Ars contacted this person, he chose to remain quite mysterious. "TC" claimed to be living in Japan, called from a 505 number in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and said he was originally from a small town that he declined to name in "northwest Alaska." His e-mail address,
2015-05-15T16:32:38 < ReadError> timecop@gmail.com, turns up on GitHub and on an RC discussion forum, and TC claims to have expertise in Zano's technical area.
2015-05-15T16:32:52 < ReadError> wow way to dox
2015-05-15T16:33:00 < ReadError> they where searching up info on you?
2015-05-15T16:33:07 < dongs> well, he has my email from twatter
2015-05-15T16:33:13 < dongs> i didnt ask for it to be published tho :p
2015-05-15T16:34:52 < GargantuaSauce_> at least they didn't tie you to other past organizations
2015-05-15T16:35:02 < GargantuaSauce_> that would have been an interesting callout.
2015-05-15T16:35:06 < dongs> hahaha
2015-05-15T16:35:21 < dongs> damn, missed opportunity
2015-05-15T16:36:02 < ReadError> you should gave gone with Gary Nigger
2015-05-15T16:36:06 < ReadError> gave them your linkedin
2015-05-15T16:36:17 < dongs> right right, i was told that yesterday alrady.
2015-05-15T16:36:35 < dongs> next time, when they do a folow up after zano fails to deliver
2015-05-15T16:36:38 < dongs> and I'll be like told you so
2015-05-15T16:37:17 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6 new zano forum skin is idiotic
2015-05-15T16:37:53 < Laurenceb__> looks kind of cool
2015-05-15T16:38:02 < dongs> yeah if youre a tool
2015-05-15T16:38:04 < dongs> who backed zano
2015-05-15T16:38:06 < dongs> then it looks great!
2015-05-15T16:38:14 < Laurenceb__> error: horizontal dimensions mismatch (4x1 vs 5x2)
2015-05-15T16:38:18 < Laurenceb__> fuck yeah matlab
2015-05-15T16:39:25 < PeterM> called from a 505 number in Albuquerque, New Mexico,
2015-05-15T16:39:46 < GargantuaSauce_> such investigation
2015-05-15T16:39:50 < Laurenceb__> its the aliens man
2015-05-15T16:40:01 < Laurenceb__> that place if ufo central
2015-05-15T16:40:03 < dongs> i duno i called from my awesome desk phone
2015-05-15T16:40:03 < Laurenceb__> *is
2015-05-15T16:41:18 < PeterM> is there some tor equivilent for phones? that'd be neat
2015-05-15T16:41:47 < PeterM> it'd be great to fuck with people
2015-05-15T16:41:48 < dongs> um my ip provider can set wahtever caller id
2015-05-15T16:42:06 < dongs> i used to have a script that just set it to the number im calling
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2015-05-15T16:42:37 < PeterM> sure, but ya know, that always has the same voip>real world endpoint
2015-05-15T16:43:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ws0BD1C.jpg
2015-05-15T16:43:08 < dongs> well i've got nothing to hide
2015-05-15T16:43:12 < Laurenceb__> holy fuck
2015-05-15T16:43:19 < Laurenceb__> 6k line matlab file is erroring
2015-05-15T16:43:25 < dongs> oops
2015-05-15T16:43:29 < dongs> good luck
2015-05-15T16:43:33 < Laurenceb__> whyyyyyyyy
2015-05-15T16:43:50 < Laurenceb__> hmm maybe its just cuz i made it multithreaded
2015-05-15T16:44:25 < PeterM> dongs i see your shitty chinaquad on the left tehre "OMG TIMECOP WORKING FOR ZANGO"
2015-05-15T16:44:54 < dongs> haha
2015-05-15T16:45:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/411SQtY.png ended up with this for ADP layout
2015-05-15T16:45:36 < dongs> will probly regret it
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2015-05-15T16:45:58 < dongs> about 9.5x9.5mm
2015-05-15T16:46:04 < dongs> could fit a couple LM1117s in there
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2015-05-15T16:47:42 < GargantuaSauce_> just mount them vertically like a through-hole one
2015-05-15T16:48:09 < GargantuaSauce_> design for unmanufacturability
2015-05-15T16:48:22 < dongs> thats zano
2015-05-15T16:48:27 < dongs> you know wat else
2015-05-15T16:48:35 < dongs> theyve got all those dip pin headers
2015-05-15T16:48:47 < dongs> someone is gonna sit and handsolder 12k of htem
2015-05-15T16:48:58 < GargantuaSauce_> i still wanna know how they're going to make that poor pic crank out all that video
2015-05-15T16:48:58 < ReadError> in the UK, right?
2015-05-15T16:49:00 < dongs> or they have to setup selective soldering stuff
2015-05-15T16:49:11 < dongs> ReadError: yes
2015-05-15T16:49:14 < dongs> in wales.
2015-05-15T16:49:16 < dongs> at camtronics
2015-05-15T16:49:19 < ReadError> hm right
2015-05-15T16:49:35 < Laurenceb__> sheep shagging land
2015-05-15T16:49:59 < Laurenceb__> http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2247744/82549141.jpg
2015-05-15T16:50:17 < Laurenceb__> one of the left is a peado
2015-05-15T16:50:21 < Laurenceb__> *on
2015-05-15T16:50:32 < PeterM> dongs, placement seems logical
2015-05-15T16:50:32 < dongs> Laurenceb__: quick, photoshop some sheep into this http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_4893-640x480.jpg
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2015-05-15T16:50:49 < Laurenceb__> loool
2015-05-15T16:50:53 < dongs> (thats zanoguys)
2015-05-15T16:51:07 < PeterM> bloody hell they look like a bunch of tossers
2015-05-15T16:51:40 < ReadError> cool lanyard bro, i bet you never lose your keys
2015-05-15T16:51:55 < Laurenceb__> http://assets.meanwhilein.org/hashed_silo_content/2b8/92a/8df/resized/meanwhile-in-wales-5f62c6.jpg
2015-05-15T16:51:56 < dongs> i dont think the guy on the right is related to them
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2015-05-15T16:54:43 < dongs> PeterM: yeah a couple things i dont like but this shit willprobably just work
2015-05-15T16:54:50 < dongs> 4x4 inductor
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2015-05-15T16:54:59 < dongs> all their samples were liek for 300-500khz switching freq
2015-05-15T16:55:06 < dongs> with hueg inductor
2015-05-15T16:55:15 < dongs> im just gonna use chinaclone  swpa4020 thing
2015-05-15T16:56:34 < Laurenceb__> woot matlab fixed
2015-05-15T16:56:37 < Laurenceb__> user error :D
2015-05-15T16:57:28 < dongs> stonererrror
2015-05-15T16:58:09 < dongs> ohhh
2015-05-15T16:58:13 < dongs> multi-line pcb text support
2015-05-15T16:58:16 < dongs> is that new in 15.1
2015-05-15T16:58:25 < dongs> oh snapo
2015-05-15T16:58:28 < dongs> orcad 16 import
2015-05-15T16:58:40 < dongs> finally i can stop bothering my pal to resave shit for me
2015-05-15T16:59:12 < PeterM> >implying you havent just pirated a copy of orcad so you can resave your own shit
2015-05-15T16:59:24 < dongs> eh, i dont wanna even touch that shit
2015-05-15T16:59:32 < PeterM> it is pretty aids
2015-05-15T16:59:33 < dongs> i considered setting up a VM for it but its just not worth it
2015-05-15T17:00:05 < dongs> if i wanna watch 2D cad that cant figure out how to redraw itself, i can just fire up eagle
2015-05-15T17:00:56 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Schematic+Symbol+Generation+Tool
2015-05-15T17:01:00 < dongs> oh this is nice
2015-05-15T17:01:34 < dongs> nice, and better integration with smartpaste
2015-05-15T17:01:36 < dongs> that is good
2015-05-15T17:03:03 < dongs> pad templates, NICE
2015-05-15T17:03:10 < dongs> finally i can save some mounting holes and shit
2015-05-15T17:03:34 < dongs> tho i just made a bunch in my component library, including all the copper/mask keepout polygons and shit
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2015-05-15T17:10:57 < PeterM> i wish they made these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251646183798 but with M.2/NGFF sockets not mSATA
2015-05-15T17:11:10 < dongs> they do
2015-05-15T17:11:16 < dongs> i have one
2015-05-15T17:11:45 < dongs> http://www.microsatacables.com/sata-iii-to-m-2-ssd-x-2-raid-card-with-2-5-9-5mm-new-housing
2015-05-15T17:12:09 < dongs> without usb3 tho :(
2015-05-15T17:14:29 < PeterM> huh.... thats odd, i could not find, i guess my  gogoel fu sucks
2015-05-15T17:14:43 < PeterM> google enevn
2015-05-15T17:15:36 < dongs> that one you got is pretty great
2015-05-15T17:15:41 < dongs> (ebay l;ink)
2015-05-15T17:15:50 < dongs> thtas what iw as loking for, with built in usb3
2015-05-15T17:15:57 < dongs> but couldnt find so settled for the otehr shit in usb3 enclosure
2015-05-15T17:16:31 < PeterM> also im looking for a M.2/NGFF to microsata (1.8 inch sata) that i cant find
2015-05-15T17:19:06 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Inch-Micro-SATA-NGFF-Adapter/dp/B00K0QPQEE ???
2015-05-15T17:19:08 < dongs> 1st google hit
2015-05-15T17:19:13 < dongs> unless you want the opposite or something?
2015-05-15T17:20:17 < dongs> http://www.microsatacables.com/1-8-inch-micro-sata-to-m-2-ngff-ssd-adapter same shoppe has it too
2015-05-15T17:20:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thelightphone/the-light-phone/
2015-05-15T17:20:50 < dongs> damn
2015-05-15T17:20:57 < dongs> another fucking asshole stole my idea.
2015-05-15T17:21:15 < PeterM> my gogole is probably just fucked because i searched for that and i skipped through some pages  and it was on like the 3rd page fuck you google
2015-05-15T17:23:10 < dongs> btw
2015-05-15T17:23:17 < dongs> that litephone is totally a repcakge of http://www.dx.com/p/mini-i8-super-slim-gsm-card-phone-w-1-0-screen-quad-band-and-single-sim-light-green-138222
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2015-05-15T17:32:11 < dongs> http://www.dx.com/p/1-77-lcd-screen-dual-sim-card-quad-band-gsm-bar-phone-w-mp3-fm-red-black-349361
2015-05-15T17:32:16 < dongs> $14.6 holy shit
2015-05-15T17:33:29 < PeterM> and people want to buy/sell a tarduino shitgame ofor $30
2015-05-15T17:33:34 < dongs> yea
2015-05-15T17:41:35 < Laurenceb__> thats actually decent
2015-05-15T17:41:52 < Laurenceb__> wonder what lcd viewing is like
2015-05-15T17:42:01 < Laurenceb__> nice low mass
2015-05-15T17:42:21 < Laurenceb__> would be good for a quadcopter recovery thing
2015-05-15T17:43:20 < PeterM> "if youi find me, use this phone to call me and tell me where the fuck i am"
2015-05-15T17:43:26 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-05-15T17:43:35 < Laurenceb__> i means hacked to gps
2015-05-15T17:43:39 < PeterM> nah
2015-05-15T17:43:44 < Laurenceb__> but its probably too poorly documented to hack
2015-05-15T17:44:12 < Laurenceb__> jus tmake a fake keypad i guess
2015-05-15T17:44:19 < PeterM> mmhm
2015-05-15T17:44:46 < Laurenceb__> its cheaper than GSM module and has power management
2015-05-15T17:45:35 < Laurenceb__> back in the day
2015-05-15T17:45:36 < Laurenceb__> https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:mihab:p4290016.jpg?w=500&tok=088fb3
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2015-05-15T17:53:54 < dongs>  PaulFertser board with just cpu + swd on it = same problem
2015-05-15T17:54:41 < Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett_III#Death_and_legacy
2015-05-15T17:54:42 < Laurenceb__> fail
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2015-05-15T18:04:12 < dongs> PaulFertser: http://i.imgur.com/aOXsK7E.jpg lol
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2015-05-15T18:09:25 < ReadError> i remember what I hate about digikeys parametric
2015-05-15T18:09:35 < ReadError> it doesnt show what things you selected and you cant unselect just 1
2015-05-15T18:11:11 < PeterM> dongs wow that looks like ass
2015-05-15T18:11:42 < dongs> thats swdio
2015-05-15T18:15:13 < Laurenceb__> whats that?
2015-05-15T18:15:19 < Laurenceb__> oh
2015-05-15T18:15:20 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-05-15T18:15:53 < jadew> looks like the output of a smps
2015-05-15T18:16:12 < gxti> looks like ur probin it rong
2015-05-15T18:16:13 < jadew> well, a DC-DC, I don't know how other SMPSs do it
2015-05-15T18:16:43 < jadew> is there an adapter involved?
2015-05-15T18:16:53 < jadew> maybe there's something else going on
2015-05-15T18:17:19 < dongs> adapter works wiht every other board.
2015-05-15T18:17:24 < dongs> its jsut a 2x5 1.27mm pitch cable
2015-05-15T18:17:25 < jadew> ah ha!
2015-05-15T18:17:29 < jadew> oh
2015-05-15T18:17:38 < dongs> like standard cortex thing.
2015-05-15T18:18:04 < jadew> I noticed similar behavior with bidirectional buffers, when they have too drive too much of a capacitive load
2015-05-15T18:19:07 < jadew> as they try to drive it, they figure that they're being driven from the other side and switch directions, causing weird oscillations like that
2015-05-15T18:20:26 < Laurenceb__> someone made a pro balloon
2015-05-15T18:20:28 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/pico-tracker/
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2015-05-15T18:21:50 < jadew> *when they have to
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2015-05-15T18:23:53 < ReadError> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?FV=fff40003%2Cfff80013%2C4c03e7&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=-46&page=1&stock=1&pbfree=0&rohs=0&quantity=&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500
2015-05-15T18:24:07 < ReadError> what is it about this size that only makes it comes in stupidly small packages?
2015-05-15T18:26:26 < Laurenceb__> this is horrifying http://www.enasco.com/product/LF01206U
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2015-05-15T18:57:04 < trepidaciousMBR2> Laurenceb__: I knew I shouldn't have clicked on that :(
2015-05-15T18:58:29 < dongs> Laurenceb__: that comment
2015-05-15T18:58:51 < dongs> also, fuck PJRC but https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13635
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2015-05-15T19:02:41 < trepidaciousMBR2> I just saw that, I think it's a bit much to claim you need to be a designer to say "make it pink"
2015-05-15T19:08:05 < PeterM> why so free scale
2015-05-15T19:11:01 < trepidaciousMBR2> I don't really get the teensy, it's ok but AFAIK you can't get the source
2015-05-15T19:12:02 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/Xpc8R8l.jpg
2015-05-15T19:14:53 < PeterM> ReadError, lolled
2015-05-15T19:16:49 < Laurenceb__> pmsl
2015-05-15T19:21:54 < PeterM> i thought you grew out of that Laurenceb__
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2015-05-15T22:06:20 < superbia> state(8) = dfuMANIFEST-WAIT-RESET, status(0) = No error condition is present
2015-05-15T22:06:21 < superbia> Done!
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2015-05-15T22:15:20 < Steffanx> stop hacking superbia
2015-05-15T22:16:33 < superbia> bro maple mini arived here after 3 months from hong kong
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2015-05-15T22:17:35 < Steffanx> And you now have some beer to celebrate?
2015-05-15T22:17:43 < superbia> i have blinky
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2015-05-15T22:18:34 < Steffanx> even better.
2015-05-15T22:19:15 < superbia> shame maple is deprecated
2015-05-15T22:19:35 < superbia> essentially this is from 09
2015-05-15T22:20:00 < Steffanx> Did it come with a cloned f103?
2015-05-15T22:20:51 < superbia> cbt6
2015-05-15T22:21:10 < superbia> looks geniue
2015-05-15T22:30:58 < superbia> Steffanx: ?
2015-05-15T22:31:28 < Steffanx> superbia ?
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2015-05-15T22:33:34 < Steffanx> Do stm32 clones even exist?
2015-05-15T22:36:40 < Rickta59> did you try using 128k on it? superbia
2015-05-15T22:37:04 < Rickta59> i was surprised with my f103c8 was able to use it 128
2015-05-15T22:37:12 < Rickta59> i was surprised with my f103c8, it was able to use it 128
2015-05-15T22:37:29 < Steffanx> try again Rickta59
2015-05-15T22:37:45 < Rickta59> i thought maples were stm32f103cb ?
2015-05-15T22:37:51 < Rickta59> never mind ..
2015-05-15T22:37:59 < Rickta59> i should read before write
2015-05-15T22:38:51 < Rickta59> is that common behaviour with the smt32f103c8 chips... that you can use more than the documented 64k?
2015-05-15T22:40:15 < superbia> hmz
2015-05-15T22:40:37 < englishman> yes
2015-05-15T22:40:43 < englishman> they are probably binned or something
2015-05-15T22:40:49 < englishman> but all 128k is there and addressable
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2015-05-15T23:08:13 < MrMobius> and you can be sure there isnt a defect in one of the 64k halves?
2015-05-15T23:10:24 < englishman> of course you cant
2015-05-15T23:10:40 < englishman> for the 2nd half at least
2015-05-15T23:10:44 < englishman> the 1st half you paid for
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2015-05-15T23:12:39 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/5dWOEfv.jpg
2015-05-15T23:12:43 < jadew> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/someone-hacked-a-billboard-in-atlanta-to-display-goatse
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2015-05-15T23:19:30 < Laurenceb_> grrr
2015-05-15T23:19:39 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to write an SLS packer
2015-05-15T23:19:50 < Laurenceb_> so I can pack stl files into SLS build volume
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2015-05-16T00:00:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: looks like ringing to me, when termination is inadequate.
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2015-05-16T00:15:58 < PaulFertser> dongs: tried adding a 47 Ohm resistor in series?
2015-05-16T00:16:46 < PaulFertser> Those "strange" pulses are likely ok, just TRN (direction change).
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2015-05-16T00:59:41 < Laurenceb_> does texane support atmel?
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2015-05-16T01:32:36 < baird> I've pulled apart a $10 keyboard from the supermarket, and broke-out the pins to the F5 key. Going to collect a stomp switch from a mate later today..
2015-05-16T01:32:56 < Laurenceb_> lol
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2015-05-16T02:03:26 < Laurenceb_> https://www.chatbots.org/chatbot/sexy_boy/
2015-05-16T02:03:27 < Laurenceb_> wut
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2015-05-16T03:58:30 < Getty> btw with lily there is actually now a realistic zano ;)
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2015-05-16T04:32:30 < Rickta59> .names
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2015-05-16T04:59:09 < kakimir> soon there will be bacon
2015-05-16T05:07:53 < kakimir> how easy fat filesystem libraries are to access and read one file?
2015-05-16T05:08:40 < kakimir> I plan to write quickly some flasher code that flashes spi flash from sd card
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2015-05-16T05:09:12 < kakimir> or maybe I should just use uart and write transmission program for it
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2015-05-16T05:58:41 < dongs> zano finally banned my 2nd forum account
2015-05-16T05:58:46 < gxti> kakimir: easy enough
2015-05-16T05:58:49 < dongs> after i complained about the new retarded as fuck yellow color scheme
2015-05-16T05:59:04 < dongs> these guys are going far
2015-05-16T05:59:11 < dongs> if their answer to criticism is silencing
2015-05-16T06:00:15 < gxti> i greatly enjoy anytime some drawn-out scampaign gets scopped by somebody else
2015-05-16T06:00:33 < gxti> who finally actually builds something (even if it's something dumb like selfie quadcopters)
2015-05-16T06:01:14 < kakimir> I suggest we set zano autoban to this channel
2015-05-16T06:01:45 < dongs> time to try altidong 15.1.9 after lunch
2015-05-16T06:02:19 < kakimir> as hearing about zano constantly sets back innovation
2015-05-16T06:02:27 < gxti> oh lol, shipping february for $999
2015-05-16T06:02:30 < gxti> rofllllll.
2015-05-16T06:02:59 < gxti> kakimir: it inspires me to not make useless shit
2015-05-16T06:03:07 < gxti> i don't know about you.
2015-05-16T06:05:18 < kakimir> good
2015-05-16T06:13:47 < dongs> zano devboards
2015-05-16T06:13:51 < dongs> is that from usa boardhouse
2015-05-16T06:13:53 < dongs> silk looks nasty
2015-05-16T06:14:15 < dongs> can orcad not make round copper pour cutouts??
2015-05-16T06:14:48 < kakimir> how can you sleep your nights dongs if zano is always in your mind?
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2015-05-16T06:23:43 < dongs> haha what a fucking rip
2015-05-16T06:23:48 < dongs> 2L?
2015-05-16T06:23:55 < dongs> still a rip
2015-05-16T06:25:31 < dongs> color change is expensive here to, but not that expensive
2015-05-16T06:25:57 < dongs> the ENIG?
2015-05-16T06:26:05 < dongs> or is taht OSP
2015-05-16T06:26:11 < dongs> i cant tell if gold or white-looking
2015-05-16T06:26:25 < dongs> if its more white, its OSP
2015-05-16T06:27:58 < dongs> i sure hope youre not hand-soldering 100 boards
2015-05-16T06:28:05 < dongs> lolo
2015-05-16T06:29:00 < dongs> oshpark is enig
2015-05-16T06:29:05 < dongs> then youre doing it wrong/have wrong solder
2015-05-16T06:29:15 < dongs> cuz enig w/flux-core solder is way easier to solder to
2015-05-16T06:29:19 < dongs> with a proper tip and temperature
2015-05-16T06:29:53 < dongs> anyway OSP is ~enig in terms of flatter pads, etc, but cheaper
2015-05-16T06:30:36 < PeterM> osp doesnt last as long in storage as enig though
2015-05-16T06:30:44 < dongs> that also.
2015-05-16T06:30:52 < dongs> hm apparently there is immersion silver
2015-05-16T06:32:03 < dongs> local place started doing matte black for mask, and damn that looks good
2015-05-16T06:32:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CLK8AjX.jpg
2015-05-16T06:32:15 < dongs> im doing my next production panel in that for sure, extra price is not much diff
2015-05-16T06:34:03 < dongs> k time to install altidong
2015-05-16T06:34:18 < dongs> 15.1
2015-05-16T06:34:23 < dongs> R2COM: it looks real nice i duno
2015-05-16T06:34:32 < dongs> has a kinda texture to it
2015-05-16T06:35:10 < dongs> you'd trust dongspcb with your NDA boards?
2015-05-16T06:36:10 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-16T06:36:12 < dongs> tab font changed
2015-05-16T06:36:14 < dongs> in 15.1
2015-05-16T06:36:20 < dongs> maybe they updated the firefox core
2015-05-16T06:36:22 < dongs> and it now uses lunix fonts
2015-05-16T06:36:25 < dongs> instead of windows stuff, ugh
2015-05-16T06:37:08 < dongs> hm switching to 3D/2D mode feels way fastre
2015-05-16T06:37:35 < PeterM> matte black mas klooks awesopme, except if handsoldered, the nflux makes it look like shit
2015-05-16T06:38:00 < dongs> havent tried, cant you just wash it with flux cleaner?
2015-05-16T06:38:27 < dongs> oops, looks like i put one of the ESD protectors on backwards
2015-05-16T06:38:43 < dongs> i onyl had like 6 left so i wasnt gonna put them in machine
2015-05-16T06:38:51 < dongs> they dont matter tho cuz vidirectional
2015-05-16T06:38:54 < PeterM> yeah you can but then any residue stands out like dogs balls
2015-05-16T06:40:57 < jadew> man... adobe is evil
2015-05-16T06:40:59 < dongs> meh
2015-05-16T06:41:01 < dongs> ill find out
2015-05-16T06:41:13 < jadew> I'm making a pdf parser and check this
2015-05-16T06:41:21 < dongs> why
2015-05-16T06:41:29 < dongs> there's like pdf.js, and a million opensores shits
2015-05-16T06:41:31 < jadew> they have something called streams
2015-05-16T06:41:31 < dongs> to deal with pdf
2015-05-16T06:41:41 < jadew> so you have
2015-05-16T06:41:43 < dongs> why would you zano it and do your own
2015-05-16T06:41:43 < jadew> stream
2015-05-16T06:41:45 < jadew> random bytes
2015-05-16T06:41:50 < jadew> endstream
2015-05-16T06:42:03 < jadew> thing is, before the opening tag, there is an array that defines the stream
2015-05-16T06:42:07 < jadew> one of its properties is length
2015-05-16T06:42:13 < jadew> so you know how much to read
2015-05-16T06:42:36 < jadew> in that property, they write a reference to another object that contains the length
2015-05-16T06:42:41 < jadew> which is AFTER the stream
2015-05-16T06:42:50 < PeterM> [13:41] <dongs> why would you zano it and do your own
2015-05-16T06:43:22 < jadew> so you have length is [there] stream random number of bytes in any format you want endstream [here is the number]
2015-05-16T06:43:47 < jadew> how stupid is that?
2015-05-16T06:43:51 < englishman> dongs how many fureai kippu have you earned this week
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2015-05-16T06:44:04 < dongs> jadew, about as stupid as writing your own PDF parser in 2015
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2015-05-16T06:44:10 < jadew> I want to do my own because I don't want to pay for it
2015-05-16T06:44:20 < dongs> pdf.js is free.
2015-05-16T06:44:27 < jadew> pdf.js is shit
2015-05-16T06:44:30 < jadew> I need speed
2015-05-16T06:44:33 < dongs> https://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/
2015-05-16T06:44:37 < dongs> yes, so rewrite it in C
2015-05-16T06:44:38 < dongs> or whatever
2015-05-16T06:44:53 < jadew> that's what I'm doing
2015-05-16T06:45:18 < jadew> but after the pdf specs
2015-05-16T06:47:13 < jadew> I just checked that pdf.js thing, it's scary how many files it has considering it's js
2015-05-16T06:47:57 < jadew> nice effort tho
2015-05-16T07:28:20 < dongs> fuckj
2015-05-16T07:28:27 < dongs> upgrading 15.0 to .1 fucked up 2D transparent display
2015-05-16T07:28:47 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-16T07:28:50 < dongs> or they made it dumber
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2015-05-16T07:29:00 < dongs> custom net colors are too bright in transparent 2D now
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2015-05-16T07:35:47 < upgrdman> anyone here messed with PIC24's? seems that when clocks with the internal oscillator, the UART maxes out at 115200 baud, but with a crystal i can do 2M baud... is this common for pic trash?
2015-05-16T07:36:02 < dongs> ask ian reedman
2015-05-16T07:36:07 < dongs> he's pro at pic32
2015-05-16T07:36:17 < dongs> upgrdman: i guess its possible, too bad STM32 doesnt have that restriction LOLZ
2015-05-16T07:36:24 < upgrdman> ya i know
2015-05-16T07:36:42 < dongs> what is the issue? you can't configure uart PLL or whatever above 115k when it uses intrc?
2015-05-16T07:36:47 < upgrdman> i told the senior engineer that i use a $0.58 stm32f0 at 1Mbaud and no xtal, and he was shocked
2015-05-16T07:37:08 < upgrdman> dongs, the #use rs232() shit generates a compiled time error
2015-05-16T07:37:19 < dongs> hah
2015-05-16T07:37:21 < dongs> picbasicPRO
2015-05-16T07:37:29 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-05-16T07:37:48 < dongs> so because yo ahve #use intrc + that, it wont work?
2015-05-16T07:37:53 < dongs> but if  you do ext crystal it lets you?
2015-05-16T07:38:00 < upgrdman> exactly
2015-05-16T07:38:18 < upgrdman> just changed #use delay(internal....) to #use delay(xtal...) and it works
2015-05-16T07:38:37 < upgrdman> luckily they put a 32MHz oscillator on the board, so no biggy, but lol
2015-05-16T07:40:21 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m605087.aspx
2015-05-16T07:40:22 < dongs> lol
2015-05-16T07:41:39 < dongs> looks like PIC pros love assembler
2015-05-16T07:42:39 < ds2> mips lackies
2015-05-16T07:42:49 < dongs> I thought pic24 was just .. PIC
2015-05-16T07:42:54 < dongs> mips is the 32bit shit
2015-05-16T07:43:23 < ds2> right...
2015-05-16T07:43:38 < ds2> cortex-m0, m3. m4 makes so much more sense ;)
2015-05-16T07:43:39 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-16T07:43:43 < dongs> i dont like new altidong colors
2015-05-16T07:43:48 < dongs> gonna clean install just in case
2015-05-16T07:48:59 < dongs> yep, they fucked it up
2015-05-16T07:49:06 < dongs> net color override is now solid even in transparent mode
2015-05-16T07:49:12 < dongs> fail
2015-05-16T07:50:22 < dongs> no reason to use transparent 2D now, it does nothing different just makes shit dimmer
2015-05-16T07:54:24 < dongs> 5227The legacy .Use Transparent Layers. option is now automatically disabled in place of new layer transparency system
2015-05-16T07:55:52 < dongs> k found
2015-05-16T07:55:55 < dongs> can still adjust
2015-05-16T07:56:06 < dongs> they fucked defaults tho
2015-05-16T07:58:14 < upgrdman> is there a pic channel on freenode?
2015-05-16T07:58:59 < jadew> I don't think so
2015-05-16T07:59:11 < jadew> I remember looking for it too at some point
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2015-05-16T08:00:11 < upgrdman> k
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2015-05-16T08:29:14 < dongs> probably stonertronics or arduino has the same kinda idiots that'd use pic
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2015-05-16T08:31:46 < dongs> Development and production schedules are right on track for June delivery. Things are are certainly getting very exciting around ZANO HQ right now.
2015-05-16T08:31:49 < dongs> haha
2015-05-16T08:33:37 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/p600x600/11174448_830551877011374_4040289483205236083_o.jpg
2015-05-16T08:33:41 < dongs> haha, they already made carrying cases
2015-05-16T08:33:58 < jadew> any pictures of the drone?
2015-05-16T08:34:07 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/q83/p600x600/11144927_832783423454886_5895325725647135012_o.jpg sure
2015-05-16T08:34:18 < dongs> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11203091_826786904054538_6199251581707349801_n.jpg?oh=5f4c4b5546ce1574c7b99fa3817310ae&oe=560CBF6D&__gda__=1443133148_fc380ebe8462798cf3b21669568ed434
2015-05-16T08:34:25 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/q86/s960x960/10862460_805535289513033_4311983720485208833_o.jpg
2015-05-16T08:36:01 < jadew> any pictures of it flying?
2015-05-16T08:36:43 < dongs> just the pingpong video
2015-05-16T08:36:57 < dongs> doesnt have to be zano cuz its fuzzy as fuck
2015-05-16T08:38:40 < jadew> I don't know that one
2015-05-16T08:41:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDaoU30UsOw
2015-05-16T08:50:17 < jadew> so it does fly
2015-05-16T08:50:52 < jadew> how does it know how high it should stay?
2015-05-16T08:50:58 < jadew> does it have a barometer?
2015-05-16T08:51:17 < jadew> and if it does, what happens when you go uphill
2015-05-16T08:51:55 < jadew> altho, I don't think you can find barometers that sensitive
2015-05-16T08:54:38 < dongs> it "has" sonar
2015-05-16T08:55:18 < dongs> also baros are 5-10cm sensitive these days
2015-05-16T09:00:45 < upgrdman> do those barometers get fucked up when idiots turn up the bass on their rap?
2015-05-16T09:00:52 < dongs> yes
2015-05-16T09:00:55 < dongs> also when you close door
2015-05-16T09:00:58 < dongs> in a room
2015-05-16T09:01:00 < upgrdman> lol
2015-05-16T09:01:01 < dongs> etc
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2015-05-16T09:16:36 < dongs> jadew: that video isnt showing anything that opensores shit didnt have done years ago
2015-05-16T09:16:54 < dongs> jadew: and even that looks faked because it's not "avoiding" anything, theyre stepping back before it bounces
2015-05-16T09:17:07 < dongs> if it was truly avoiding something, it would not have that much inertia going back
2015-05-16T09:17:27 < dongs> and for sonar, that altitude hold looks absolutely shit
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2015-05-16T09:44:11 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/Sxk708D
2015-05-16T09:48:57 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_P-54lzDc
2015-05-16T09:49:17 < upgrdman> dongs, nice vid
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2015-05-16T09:55:27 < dongs> Yep
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2015-05-16T10:04:53 < upgrdman> i should see if theres a junk xray tube assembly at work. we use a 55kV 300uA multiplier in them...
2015-05-16T10:05:12 < upgrdman> could be "useful"
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2015-05-16T10:54:30 < jadew> that video is a joke, right?
2015-05-16T10:58:17 < jadew> dongs, I noticed they had to get back too
2015-05-16T11:00:10 < jadew> I suppose that could be fixed with better sensors and better code
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2015-05-16T11:09:53 < jadew> lmfao, I just found a picture describing the serial adapter from an instrument that's exactly the same picture I found in the manual of another instrument of a different brand
2015-05-16T11:10:25 < jadew> the adapters look different, but the wiring is the same since it's sort of a standard
2015-05-16T11:10:38 < jadew> I wonder where the image originated
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2015-05-16T11:35:41 < GargantuaSauce_> dongs are your probes really rated for 20kV e_e
2015-05-16T11:36:46 < GargantuaSauce_> also nothing exploded you need moar current
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2015-05-16T11:39:42 < PeterM> dongs i use a similar method like that to fix things like scratched camera lenses, horrible battery life etc. just do that ,send it back under warrenty, brand new phone returned.
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2015-05-16T11:52:21 < dongs> PeterM: thats what it was for lol
2015-05-16T11:52:23 < Alexer> < jadew> which is AFTER the stream
2015-05-16T11:52:33 < Alexer> read the xref section? :P
2015-05-16T11:52:58 < jadew> Alexer, yeah... but that's at the end
2015-05-16T11:53:06 < jadew> you have to parse backwards
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2015-05-16T11:53:28 < jadew> well, until you find the startxref thing
2015-05-16T11:53:29 < Alexer> well only for like 20 bytes to get the offset
2015-05-16T11:53:30 < jadew> but still
2015-05-16T11:53:53 < jadew> yeah, I suppose they didn't do it because they were evil
2015-05-16T11:53:58 < jadew> just stupid
2015-05-16T11:54:22 < jadew> I ended up reading a bit on the issue and apparently there's much more to PDF than this
2015-05-16T11:54:30 < jadew> you can have tons of garbage in it
2015-05-16T11:54:34 < jadew> and it shouldn't matter
2015-05-16T11:54:36 < Alexer> what are you making it for? I wrote one so I could parse the register maps on the STM32F4 reference manual :P
2015-05-16T11:54:50 < jadew> hah, nice
2015-05-16T11:55:16 < jadew> I want to extract the text
2015-05-16T11:55:24 < Alexer> (the way all the tables are made in the stm pdfs is horrible, the lines don't even align properly, you can even see it if you just zoom in...)
2015-05-16T11:55:51 < jadew> I didn't get that far
2015-05-16T11:56:19 < jadew> anyway, since I talked about this several hours ago, I stumbled upon another project that does it
2015-05-16T11:56:23 < Alexer> what language are you making it in?
2015-05-16T11:56:26 < jadew> so I think I'll give up on the parser after all
2015-05-16T11:56:30 < jadew> c++
2015-05-16T11:56:33 < PeterM> dong noice
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2015-05-16T11:57:06 < Alexer> yeah, there are multiple projects you could use
2015-05-16T11:57:31 < jadew> thing is all the ones I initially found were commercial
2015-05-16T11:59:37 < Alexer> I just figured I'll probably write the pdf parser faster than I'll learn to use an existing one well enough to do what I want ;)
2015-05-16T12:00:23 < jadew> yeah, it's a surprisingly easy specification
2015-05-16T12:00:23 < Alexer> (not that I'm that fast a coder, I just take really long to figure out how to use software ;P)
2015-05-16T12:00:38 < jadew> :)
2015-05-16T12:00:44 < Alexer> plus it's always more fun to do it yourself, right :]
2015-05-16T12:00:54 < jadew> definitely
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2015-05-16T12:27:33 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/Xpc8R8l.jpg
2015-05-16T12:27:38 < ReadError> you missed my pic ;(
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2015-05-16T12:30:22 < PeterM> readerror  http://boards.4chan.org/diy/thread/812563
2015-05-16T12:30:48 < ReadError> i dont browse 4chan
2015-05-16T12:30:56 < ReadError> too much assburgers and pedos
2015-05-16T12:31:26 < PeterM> diy is a blue board
2015-05-16T12:31:36 < PeterM> no pedos, just assburgers
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2015-05-16T12:36:37 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: haha, texane, lol, still using that trash? ;)
2015-05-16T12:37:07 < kakimir> assburgers and some fukups nobody really knows about
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2015-05-16T12:37:26 < PeterM> At what point CAN one call it a drone?
2015-05-16T12:37:28 < PeterM> When its a fixed wing aircraft that is semi automomous and your killing people with it, or when you want people to think your an uninformed fuckhead
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2015-05-16T12:38:27 < kakimir> 99% gay
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2015-05-16T12:41:37 < kakimir> it doesn't need to kill anyone but to be operated in professional, sophisticated fashion
2015-05-16T12:42:52 < PeterM> jrone
2015-05-16T12:43:40 < kakimir> tyrone
2015-05-16T12:45:18 < ReadError> tydrone
2015-05-16T12:45:54 < kakimir> marmalade
2015-05-16T12:54:47 < ReadError> hm so altium pros
2015-05-16T12:55:00 < ReadError> is there a way to change the default behavior of moving an object in PCB view
2015-05-16T12:55:16 < ReadError> like when you move something it doesnt originate from where the mouse is clicked
2015-05-16T12:55:23 < ReadError> so shit jumps like crazy
2015-05-16T12:55:32 < bairdynomnom_> The healing cannot begin until a Feminist Apollo 13 movie is made
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2015-05-16T13:06:59 < dongs> http://www.hdsx.audio/ whoa
2015-05-16T13:07:12 < dongs> HDSX® expands the sound at the highest level. No artificial effects are added to the original audio. The sound expansion is created solely through the patented process from the DNS of the original audio material.
2015-05-16T13:12:37 < kakimir> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fidelity
2015-05-16T13:13:02 < kakimir> HI-FI used to be a thing
2015-05-16T13:13:56 < specing> these new ultrabooky machines have shit speakers so they have to compensate with software
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2015-05-16T13:45:59 < Tectu> sup dongs
2015-05-16T13:46:07 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-05-16T13:48:36 < Bright> i thought you were talking to yourself b/c you both are same colour in my client and its hard to read and also the same length
2015-05-16T13:48:47 < dongs> haha
2015-05-16T13:51:08 < ReadError> dongs http://imgur.com/a/tt0Ma your competition
2015-05-16T13:51:11 < ReadError> 50$
2015-05-16T13:51:55 < zyp> what's the f1 on the bottom for?
2015-05-16T13:52:06 < ReadError> failsafe MCU
2015-05-16T13:52:36 < zyp> so now there's not only one, but two mcus that can fail
2015-05-16T13:52:40 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-16T13:52:44 < dongs> dixhawk never made much sense
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2015-05-16T13:59:13 < ReadError> i just dont get how its even worth while to make and sell something like that for so little $$
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2015-05-16T14:08:39 < zyp> yeah, better to overprice everything
2015-05-16T14:09:49 < ReadError> well in terms of BOM cost
2015-05-16T14:10:05 < ReadError> unless they have some 'fell off a truck' stuff
2015-05-16T14:10:26 < ReadError> last I checked an f405 was like 6$ in china alone
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2015-05-16T14:11:32 < zyp> oh, that's f427vi
2015-05-16T14:11:40 < ReadError> yea
2015-05-16T14:11:46 < dongs> looks like 407 to me
2015-05-16T14:11:54 < zyp> zoom in, it's f427vi
2015-05-16T14:12:00 < dongs> oh, ok
2015-05-16T14:12:04 < dongs> whats special in 427
2015-05-16T14:12:09 < dongs> half hte pins arent even hooked up on that dumb board
2015-05-16T14:12:13 < dongs> what a fuckign waste of package
2015-05-16T14:12:18 < zyp> it's the 2MB flash one I've asked about before
2015-05-16T14:12:24 < dongs> ah
2015-05-16T14:12:32 < zyp> 42x isn't available in smaller than 100qfp either
2015-05-16T14:13:39 < ReadError> but the cost alone on that, least on aliexpress is like $10-15
2015-05-16T14:13:55 < ReadError> maybe they get better deals domestic
2015-05-16T14:14:05 < zyp> wonder why they're using f42x though, if it's just for the extra flash/ram, or if it's for the peripherals
2015-05-16T14:14:15 < dongs> waht peripherals
2015-05-16T14:14:17 < dongs> nothing is hooked up
2015-05-16T14:14:20 < zyp> exactly
2015-05-16T14:14:30 < dongs> i see SPI flash
2015-05-16T14:14:35 < ReadError> well its based off the full one which has a dickload of periphs
2015-05-16T14:14:37 < dongs> and a bunch of i2c or spi sensors
2015-05-16T14:14:37 < zyp> largest difference is SDRAM support, but they don't have that
2015-05-16T14:14:41 < ReadError> and they wanted to keep it code compat
2015-05-16T14:15:24 < dongs> is there a -427 disco that uses that part?
2015-05-16T14:15:32 < dongs> is that the one with sdram and lcd?
2015-05-16T14:15:32 < zyp> no
2015-05-16T14:15:37 < dongs> or was that 417
2015-05-16T14:15:39 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-05-16T14:15:40 < zyp> that's f429
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2015-05-16T14:16:11 < zyp> IIRC f429 is f427 plus that lcd driver peripheral
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2015-05-16T14:34:44 < Laurenceb_> this guy sounds like someone from irc
2015-05-16T14:34:46 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Konopka
2015-05-16T14:35:13 < Laurenceb_> Occupation 	Computer system administrator
2015-05-16T14:35:14 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-05-16T14:35:20 < dongs> 4chan user
2015-05-16T14:37:07 < qyx_> sounds like eastern-eu surname
2015-05-16T14:40:47 < baird> 2002 would've made him a Goon.
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2015-05-16T15:40:50 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-05-16T15:40:52 < dongs> loading dicknplace
2015-05-16T15:40:55 < dongs> for tomrorow aids
2015-05-16T15:45:35 < ReadError> dongs http://i.snag.gy/F05Ty.jpg
2015-05-16T15:45:43 < ReadError> is there any way to change that behavior when moving shit
2015-05-16T15:45:51 < ReadError> how it jumps to the origin of the part
2015-05-16T15:46:02 < dongs> no
2015-05-16T15:46:04 < dongs> why would you want to
2015-05-16T15:46:04 < zyp> what behavior?
2015-05-16T15:46:05 < ReadError> like if you click the middle or bottom pad and drag it will snap
2015-05-16T15:46:09 < ReadError> to the origin
2015-05-16T15:46:16 < dongs> yes, because that makes S ENSE
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2015-05-16T15:47:55 < ReadError> guess i should move my patterns so the origin is in the middle
2015-05-16T15:48:04 < dongs> ....... yes
2015-05-16T15:48:08 < zyp> wat
2015-05-16T15:48:12 < dongs> lol
2015-05-16T15:48:17 < zyp> are you making parts without the origin in the middle?
2015-05-16T15:48:18 < zyp> haha
2015-05-16T15:48:23 < dongs> hes not making shit
2015-05-16T15:48:28 < dongs> hes importing gerbers from dicktrace
2015-05-16T15:48:31 < dongs> and copying pads or something dumb
2015-05-16T15:48:34 < ReadError> no not gerbers
2015-05-16T15:48:40 < zyp> how do you expect P&P machines to deal with that?
2015-05-16T15:48:48 < ReadError> but yes, import
2015-05-16T15:49:05 < zyp> sounds like a waste of time
2015-05-16T15:49:18 < ReadError> well i had a lot of 1-off and custom patterns
2015-05-16T15:49:34 < ReadError> and i hate drawing that stuff
2015-05-16T15:49:36 < dongs> sounds liek they were shit already
2015-05-16T15:49:38 < zyp> why do you care about old 1-offs?
2015-05-16T15:49:46 < dongs> he's recloning in altidong
2015-05-16T15:49:53 < dongs> for reasons unknown
2015-05-16T15:50:00 < zyp> waste of time
2015-05-16T15:50:13 < ReadError> no im not re-cloning
2015-05-16T15:50:18 < ReadError> im freshly innovating
2015-05-16T15:57:15 < karlp> I thought you'd put the origin where ever made it easier to do the measurements from the datasheet from, guess that was wrong
2015-05-16T16:04:03 < dongs> karlp: you could, but you can easily reset it after youre done
2015-05-16T16:04:10 < dongs> altidong even has that feature
2015-05-16T16:05:34 < karlp> makes sense.
2015-05-16T16:05:48 < karlp> now, where's my fucking weekend newspaper. I didn't sleep in this long to not have a paper to read
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2015-05-16T16:09:23 < trepidaciousMB-1> dongs: Well, I got a Banana Pro, seems like debian runs like ass on it, web browsing is nearly unusable :)
2015-05-16T16:12:45 < dongs> shocked
2015-05-16T16:12:48 < dongs> lunix, failing
2015-05-16T16:12:54 < dongs> does debian even have accelerated graphics
2015-05-16T16:12:58 < dongs> i thought that was assdroid only
2015-05-16T16:13:01 < dongs> cuz its too closed sores
2015-05-16T16:20:49 < Laurenceb_> probably less fail than BBB
2015-05-16T16:20:57 < Laurenceb_> how do i power management
2015-05-16T16:21:18 < dongs> well its pretty hard to fail with A20 power managfement
2015-05-16T16:21:31 < dongs> you copypaste AXP206 design from allwhiner and its done
2015-05-16T16:21:36 < dongs> its singlechip made for that purpose
2015-05-16T16:21:41 < Laurenceb_> BBB managed to fail epically despite having full documentation
2015-05-16T16:22:03 < Laurenceb_> battery monitor connected to the wrong pin...
2015-05-16T16:22:16 < Laurenceb_> never shuts down.. rtc gets turned off etc
2015-05-16T16:22:34 < Laurenceb_> i think they confused eMMC with RTC
2015-05-16T16:22:47 < Laurenceb_> eMMC is always on, ~50ma continuous current draw
2015-05-16T16:23:07 < dongs> haha
2015-05-16T16:23:37 < Laurenceb_> i managed to fix almost all the bugs with scalpel and lots of jumped wires
2015-05-16T16:24:24 < Laurenceb_> ROFL  https://learn.adafruit.com/adding-a-real-time-clock-to-beaglebone-black/overview
2015-05-16T16:24:51 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg we heard you liked fail
2015-05-16T16:34:29 < karlp> heh, was looking at playign with an optical mouse sensor, found one in my box of trash, found a usb mouse cable with a mating 5 pin connector to the board...
2015-05-16T16:34:33 < karlp> got a bit hot...
2015-05-16T16:34:44 < karlp> I guess it's not the actual cable, just another cable with the same connector :)
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2015-05-16T16:52:32 < karlp> dongs: what were you actually doign zappign that galaxy note?
2015-05-16T16:52:48 < dongs> karlp: getting ready to take it in under warranty
2015-05-16T16:53:50 < karlp> what had already broken?
2015-05-16T16:54:27 < dongs> baseband
2015-05-16T16:54:31 < dongs> its not 'broken'
2015-05-16T16:54:36 < dongs> its a known issue in ones made before feb 2015.
2015-05-16T16:54:46 < dongs> it randomly drops off LTE after few days of uptime
2015-05-16T16:54:52 < dongs> those made after feb are OK.
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2015-05-16T16:59:38 < karlp> teh suck
2015-05-16T17:09:30 < karlp> fuck yeah, autotools are amaze: https://pastee.org/k7t9r
2015-05-16T17:10:57 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0GBeOnxA4M
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2015-05-16T17:12:43 < dongs> oh thats where that gif was from
2015-05-16T17:12:54 < karlp> got him yes!
2015-05-16T17:13:35 < zyp> dongs, yeah, I found the gif on an imgur prowl, and the video was linked in the description
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2015-05-16T17:47:13 < Steffanx> is that that zano video real? looks more like its moving forwards and backwards and they move their hands a bit.
2015-05-16T17:47:21 < Steffanx> mr dongs knows it all
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2015-05-16T20:11:21 < DrLuke> Does anybody know if all the pinouts of different devices are available somewhere?
2015-05-16T20:11:37 < fabulouSSuperbia> wtf
2015-05-16T20:11:42 < DrLuke> Preferrably in a parsable format
2015-05-16T20:12:57 < DrLuke> For example, Xilinx has these: http://www.xilinx.com/support/packagefiles/s6packages/6slx4cpg196pkg.txt
2015-05-16T20:18:03 < Rickta59> you might look at the cubemx stuff that is xml driven DrLuke
2015-05-16T20:18:43 < DrLuke> Rickta59: Thanks, I'll take a look
2015-05-16T20:23:53 < DrLuke> Oh snap, won't that put me in a bad licensing situation?
2015-05-16T20:24:04 < Rickta59> i
2015-05-16T20:24:14 < Rickta59> am not a lawyer
2015-05-16T20:25:01 < DrLuke> Eh, it's only an executable
2015-05-16T20:25:15 < DrLuke> can't install on my linux machine :(
2015-05-16T20:25:23 < Rickta59> yeah well there is that ..
2015-05-16T20:25:30 < Rickta59> once you install there are xml files
2015-05-16T20:25:54 < Rickta59> maybe you should ST
2015-05-16T20:25:57 < Rickta59> ask ST
2015-05-16T20:26:01 < DrLuke> Rickta59: Would you mind uploading them somewhere?
2015-05-16T20:26:05 < Rickta59> o
2015-05-16T20:26:05 < DrLuke> like pomf.se
2015-05-16T20:26:10 < Rickta59> i'm running linux ..
2015-05-16T20:26:13 < DrLuke> dang
2015-05-16T20:26:21 < Rickta59> i just ran windows one time to see what it was all about
2015-05-16T20:26:32 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-05-16T20:27:00 < fabulouSSuperbia> Rickta59: did you like it ?
2015-05-16T20:27:11 < Rickta59> it felt dirty
2015-05-16T20:27:14 < fabulouSSuperbia> i mean the windows
2015-05-16T20:27:37 < Rickta59> yeah that is what i meant windows made me feel dirty
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2015-05-16T20:33:11 < Rickta59> http://dpaste.com/28S8VCM that is a sample of what one looks like
2015-05-16T20:34:41 < Rickta59> @ DrLuke
2015-05-16T20:35:12 < DrLuke> Rickta59: I see
2015-05-16T20:36:18 < DrLuke> I just asked a friend of mine to install it
2015-05-16T20:36:21 < DrLuke> he's gonna send me the files
2015-05-16T20:36:44 < DrLuke> my ultimate goal will be to write a little program that converts the data into kicad libraries
2015-05-16T20:36:54 < DrLuke> but ultimately it should be extendable to any CAD
2015-05-16T20:37:02 < Rickta59> http://dpaste.com/1WD9ZD5 ..
2015-05-16T20:37:10 < Rickta59> using an online xml to json converter
2015-05-16T20:38:03 < DrLuke> Rickta59: This is fantastic!
2015-05-16T20:38:29 < DrLuke> I'm glad to find a new coding project :)
2015-05-16T20:38:39 < DrLuke> one that might actually come in handy
2015-05-16T20:38:50 < Rickta59> http://www.utilities-online.info/xmltojson/
2015-05-16T20:45:15 < DrLuke> I got the data, I'm having a datagasm right now
2015-05-16T20:45:27 < DrLuke> why the hell isn't this available outside of the tool
2015-05-16T20:45:46 < Rickta59> probably is .. you should ask ST
2015-05-16T20:45:55 < DrLuke> I guess I'll write a program, and state in the readme that one has to manually fetch the files from the tool
2015-05-16T20:46:01 < DrLuke> that way I can avoid any licensing foo
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2015-05-17T00:53:28 < qyx_> "This battery is equipped with an NFC antenna, allowing your handset to communicate with other devices.."
2015-05-17T00:53:31 < qyx_> wut
2015-05-17T00:53:39 < Geleia> guys, I want to have the DMA read from GPIO to memory on F1 series, but only the MSB of GPIO port
2015-05-17T00:53:43 < Geleia> is that even possible?
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2015-05-17T00:56:16 < qyx_> it is
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2015-05-17T00:56:29 < qyx_> configure dma for 8 bits and set address accordingly
2015-05-17T00:57:10 < Geleia> qyx_: you mean using the port address plus 1 or something like this?
2015-05-17T00:57:46 < qyx_> yep
2015-05-17T00:58:30 < Geleia> so I would use the peripheral address something like GPIOB->IDR + 1, right?
2015-05-17T00:59:50 < qyx_> right
2015-05-17T01:00:37 < Geleia> I see, thanks a lot
2015-05-17T01:00:40 < Geleia> :3
2015-05-17T01:01:36 < qyx_> actually more like +2 or +3
2015-05-17T01:02:09 < qyx_> as only 16 lsb are used
2015-05-17T01:02:51 < qyx_> wait what
2015-05-17T01:02:53 < qyx_> i said nothing
2015-05-17T01:02:55 < qyx_> little endian
2015-05-17T01:03:04 < Geleia> isn't 1 for each byte?
2015-05-17T01:03:36 < Geleia> +1 would get the data from port 8~15, wouldn't it?
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2015-05-17T01:04:06 < qyx_> yes it would, i confused myself
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2015-05-17T01:42:54 < inca> any AC6 system workbench users in here?
2015-05-17T01:43:19 < inca> my gdb does not appear to be loading my elf file
2015-05-17T01:45:34 < inca> sorry, it does not appear to be building the right elf
2015-05-17T01:45:35 < inca> hmm
2015-05-17T01:48:10 < Laurenceb_> omg
2015-05-17T01:48:11 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/cuspaceflight/m2-electronics/blob/master/m2r/firmware/audio_data.c
2015-05-17T01:49:34 < qyx_> recordings of "zero", "one", etc.?
2015-05-17T01:50:13 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-05-17T01:50:18 < Laurenceb_> insANE
2015-05-17T01:50:53 < qyx_> why?
2015-05-17T01:52:22 < Laurenceb_> cuz they use it for FM telemetry
2015-05-17T01:52:45 < qyx_> lol
2015-05-17T01:52:51 < Geleia> qyx_: that didn't work :/
2015-05-17T01:53:21 < qyx_> post your code
2015-05-17T01:53:54 < Geleia> just a minute
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2015-05-17T01:55:41 < Geleia> qyx_: wait, maybe I made it work
2015-05-17T01:55:47 < Geleia> let me check :p
2015-05-17T01:56:18 < Geleia> nope
2015-05-17T01:56:20 < Geleia> not working
2015-05-17T01:56:43 < Geleia> qyx_: http://pastebin.com/FFA7jywT
2015-05-17T01:57:44 < Geleia> I get a constant value on Buffer, even after changing the inputs
2015-05-17T01:59:41 < Geleia> GPIOB->IDR is a 16 bit register
2015-05-17T02:00:16 < Geleia> the core address data in 8bits or 16 bits?
2015-05-17T02:01:48 < qyx_> mhm, this should work
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2015-05-17T02:04:51 < Geleia> the value at buffer is always 16 with this code
2015-05-17T02:05:16 < Geleia> even changing the inputs
2015-05-17T02:07:06 < Geleia> if I change the buffer to 16 bits, and uses the GPIOB->IDR and HalfWord
2015-05-17T02:07:11 < Geleia> it works alright
2015-05-17T02:09:58 < qyx_> maybe you messed up the & * pointer part
2015-05-17T02:12:49 < Geleia> yep, looking into that
2015-05-17T02:14:45 < qyx_> http://www.ebay.com/itm//400847279578
2015-05-17T02:14:47 < qyx_> lol 5000mAh
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2015-05-17T02:25:43 < Geleia> qyx_: I did a test here and I don't know what's happening, lol
2015-05-17T02:26:10 < Geleia> I've put the address of the input in a variable
2015-05-17T02:26:27 < Geleia> I then incremented the variable by one and set this as the address to DMA
2015-05-17T02:26:47 < Geleia> then I watched the variable value in the debugger
2015-05-17T02:27:01 < Geleia> it was 0x40010c08
2015-05-17T02:27:09 < Geleia> and went to 0x40010c09 after incrementing
2015-05-17T02:27:27 < Geleia> but the DMA is putting the lower byte of the input in the buffer
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2015-05-17T03:02:24 < inca> the MODER3 register for GPIOD corresponds with PD3, correct?
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2015-05-17T04:39:02 < dongs> http://makezine.com/2015/05/16/arduino-adafruit-manufacturing-genuino/ haha
2015-05-17T04:39:15 < dongs> a truly honorable solution would have been to kill the fucking brand off
2015-05-17T04:44:31 < MrMobius> do you still need caps and power connections for Vdda and Vssa if you arent doing anything with analog?
2015-05-17T04:49:42 < dongs> you need power, but not necessarily c aps.
2015-05-17T04:50:00 < dongs> just stick one cap there, then you have 1 in each 4 corners
2015-05-17T04:54:38 < karlp> is adafruit actually manufacturing in manhattan?!
2015-05-17T04:55:10 < dongs> the idiot bought some samsung dicknplace
2015-05-17T04:55:17 < dongs> to write off taxes lastr year
2015-05-17T04:55:24 < dongs> but i'm 99% sure all the trash is actually in chinatown
2015-05-17T04:55:28 < dongs> cuz thier boards look like ass
2015-05-17T04:58:48 < dongs> sweet
2015-05-17T04:58:50 < dongs> my supercharger PCBs are here
2015-05-17T04:59:03 < dongs> time to dickstart
2015-05-17T05:00:07 < dongs> i even have a stencil for it
2015-05-17T05:08:47 < MrMobius> hmmm, any idea why DesignSpark doesnt have any F2 or F4?
2015-05-17T05:11:57 < dongs> wtf is dsignspark
2015-05-17T05:12:16 < dongs> oh lol somr freetard PCB thing from RS?
2015-05-17T05:12:22 < dongs> cant you make your own components there?
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2015-05-17T05:12:58 < MrMobius> maybe...
2015-05-17T05:13:24 < MrMobius> first PCB. maybeishould just go straight to KiCAD or something.
2015-05-17T05:14:43 < dongs> or straight not to kikecad
2015-05-17T05:18:09 < MrMobius> what would be even more freetarded than that?
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2015-05-17T05:19:48 < dongs> you could try diptrace, since its actually usable
2015-05-17T05:21:10 < MrMobius> dicktrace it is
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2015-05-17T05:33:58 < dongs> k supercharger is in the oven
2015-05-17T05:33:59 < dongs> cant wait
2015-05-17T05:34:02 < dongs> holding my dick
2015-05-17T05:34:47 < dongs> wonder if my S6 will claim its charging using "fast charge" with that shit
2015-05-17T05:48:04 < dongs> hm
2015-05-17T05:48:08 < dongs> S6 charging at 1.1A
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2015-05-17T05:58:08 < englishman> Doesn't samdongs have yet another charging protocol
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2015-05-17T08:25:56 < kakimir> gay
2015-05-17T08:27:17 < kakimir> there is no bacon
2015-05-17T08:27:31 < kakimir> I'm pissed
2015-05-17T08:28:31 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYXZpLW1YWXZJaFU/view?usp=sharing
2015-05-17T08:30:14 < dongs> haha
2015-05-17T08:30:15 < dongs> kikecae
2015-05-17T08:30:18 < dongs> kikecad
2015-05-17T08:38:53 < kakimir> baby's first net names
2015-05-17T08:41:47 < dongs> wow
2015-05-17T08:41:55 < dongs> i murdered all 4 of those usb charge management things
2015-05-17T08:42:02 < dongs> fff
2015-05-17T08:42:05 < dongs> have to resolder them all
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2015-05-17T08:55:32 < dongs> k entire bar works, nice
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2015-05-17T09:52:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zyTJTE4.jpg
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2015-05-17T09:52:27 < Doge32> Hey
2015-05-17T09:52:39 < dongs> doge32, really
2015-05-17T09:52:55 < Doge32> There are many stm32s, which one should i start with?
2015-05-17T09:53:01 < dongs> all of them
2015-05-17T09:53:05 < dongs> pick any -discovery board and use it
2015-05-17T09:53:10 < jpa-> anything except F1
2015-05-17T09:53:14 < dongs> eh, F1 is great
2015-05-17T09:53:15 < Doge32> So doesn't matter?
2015-05-17T09:53:36 < jpa-> i would say L1 or L0 if you want low battery usage, F4 if you want high performance
2015-05-17T09:53:54 < jpa-> but they are pretty similar all of them, so easy to switch later
2015-05-17T09:54:01 < jpa-> same programmer works for all etc.
2015-05-17T09:54:05 < PeterM> Doge32, dickscoveries ar cheap get an f0, f4 and l0/1
2015-05-17T09:54:11 < Doge32> How much of a difference in battery usage are we talking about?
2015-05-17T09:54:24 < PeterM> f0 for cheap shit, l1/0 for low power and f4 for speeeeed
2015-05-17T09:54:36 < jpa-> Doge32: well, between L1 and F4, a lot; like 10x
2015-05-17T09:54:42 < Doge32> Damn
2015-05-17T09:54:43 < jpa-> but same goes for performance
2015-05-17T09:55:37 < PeterM> also dongs with that usbchargeboard who not populate all components on bottom and then use wave? or is sot 23 6 too small for wave?
2015-05-17T09:56:08 < dongs> i duno, im not gonna be making 10000 of them so its not a big deal
2015-05-17T09:56:17 < PeterM> fair'nuff
2015-05-17T09:56:22 < dongs> my dickstarter is only 98% funded
2015-05-17T09:56:53 < Doge32> Where do you buy stms?
2015-05-17T09:57:02 < PeterM> www.findchips.com
2015-05-17T09:57:06 < dongs> off the back of the truck
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2015-05-17T09:57:09 < Doge32> Dongs what you dickstarting?
2015-05-17T09:57:17 < dongs> Doge32: < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zyTJTE4.jpg
2015-05-17T09:57:31 < jpa-> Doge32: whatever electronics store you buy rest of your stuff from
2015-05-17T09:57:40 < jpa-> digikey, farnell, tme, whatever
2015-05-17T09:57:55 < Doge32> I live in sweden jpa-
2015-05-17T09:58:11 < Doge32> So i buy stuff from a shitty gadget store
2015-05-17T09:58:15 < Doge32> They are very limited
2015-05-17T09:58:25 < jpa-> behold the magic of online stores
2015-05-17T09:58:39 < PeterM> behold the magic of free shipping
2015-05-17T09:58:46 < Doge32> dongs parallel charging?
2015-05-17T09:58:54 < Doge32> Of usb devices?
2015-05-17T09:58:56 < dongs> sure
2015-05-17T09:58:58 < jpa-> you can use this thing called "internet" to submit orders and then they'll do some magic with cars & shit to move the items to your home or nearest post office
2015-05-17T09:59:13 < Doge32> jpa- shit man that sure sounds awesome
2015-05-17T10:00:20 < Doge32> https://m.fasttech.com/products/0/10011401/1982101-arm-cortex-m3-stm32f103c8t6-stm32-microcontroller
2015-05-17T10:00:23 < jpa-> tme.eu and digikey are probably the best at the moment, but prices vary etc.
2015-05-17T10:00:30 < PeterM> Doge32, also my link www.findchips.com is an actual like
2015-05-17T10:00:36 < PeterM> 'real thing
2015-05-17T10:00:53 < jpa-> 1 senior timer luls
2015-05-17T10:01:14 < PeterM> Doge32, fasttech is only ghood for manchildren and people who need batteries
2015-05-17T10:01:44 < Doge32> PeterM rule number 1 of fasttech: don't get their batteries
2015-05-17T10:02:12 < PeterM> doge32 they're fine if you dont get cheap shit
2015-05-17T10:02:48 < Doge32> Depends on what you use them for though :)
2015-05-17T10:03:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gQHFeKZ.jpg i really need a crystal and stm32 on that board
2015-05-17T10:03:39 < Doge32> So is stm all i need? Or will it need something external to work?
2015-05-17T10:03:44 < PeterM> dongs yeah, i mean, that led aint gonna blink itself...
2015-05-17T10:04:02 < dongs> i hope i have it on a timer
2015-05-17T10:04:07 < dongs> so io can do some amazing pulsating
2015-05-17T10:04:25 < jpa-> Doge32: it will run by itself, but of course it'll need stuff to actually do whatever you want it to do
2015-05-17T10:04:38 < Doge32> Cool
2015-05-17T10:04:50 < dongs> PA12, completely worthless
2015-05-17T10:04:50 < dongs> damn
2015-05-17T10:04:53 < dongs> i failed
2015-05-17T10:04:59 < PeterM> Doge32, http://www.tme.eu/fi/details/stm32f4discovery/stm-kehityspaketit/st-microelectronics/# + http://www.tme.eu/fi/details/stm32f0discovery/stm-kehityspaketit/st-microelectronics/#
2015-05-17T10:05:20 < PeterM> fi -> se
2015-05-17T10:05:34 < Doge32> PeterM 18 euro shot
2015-05-17T10:05:37 < Doge32> Shit**
2015-05-17T10:05:41 < dongs> ...
2015-05-17T10:05:44 < dongs> you gotta pay to paly
2015-05-17T10:05:46 < dongs> play, too
2015-05-17T10:06:05 < Doge32> Is it that much better than the f1 on fasttech?
2015-05-17T10:06:17 < PeterM> do you even need to ask?
2015-05-17T10:06:26 < dongs> what do you need to do?
2015-05-17T10:06:48 < Doge32> For now, just learning to use the stm
2015-05-17T10:06:49 < jpa-> Doge32: well, for one, it has a debugger on board
2015-05-17T10:07:01 < jpa-> so you better have atleast one discovery board around
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2015-05-17T10:07:13 < jpa-> but yeah, for most cases F4 is overkill
2015-05-17T10:07:24 < PeterM> thats why i linked f0 disco too
2015-05-17T10:08:05 < dongs> wtf
2015-05-17T10:08:05 < PeterM> they come with enig protoboard which nobody every uses, which is nice
2015-05-17T10:08:19 < dongs> this shitty video card isnt providing DP3.3V
2015-05-17T10:08:20 < dongs> ...
2015-05-17T10:08:49 < PeterM> dongs whut rly? how does it detect montirs thaty are turned off?
2015-05-17T10:08:51 < dongs> wait maybe its the monitor that should be doing that
2015-05-17T10:08:55 < PeterM> no
2015-05-17T10:08:56 < dongs> i duno
2015-05-17T10:09:03 < dongs> im getting zero fucking volts
2015-05-17T10:09:12 < PeterM> card should p[rovide 3v3 so it can read eeprom for edid or whatever
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2015-05-17T10:11:36 < dongs> well whoops
2015-05-17T10:11:40 < dongs> theres definitely no 3V.
2015-05-17T10:11:41 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-05-17T10:12:04 < Doge32> I got many volts. Wanna borrow some?
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2015-05-17T10:13:59 < dongs> yes.
2015-05-17T10:14:54 < Doge32> Ok i charge 10$ per volt and hour
2015-05-17T10:15:40 < PeterM> Doge32, barrrrrrgin
2015-05-17T10:16:04 < Doge32> These are the finest volts in town. Hand made.
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2015-05-17T10:17:10 < dongs> Pin 20, PWR Out, must provide between +3.3V+/-10% with a maximum current of 500 mA and a
2015-05-17T10:17:13 < dongs> minimum power capability of 1.5 watts.
2015-05-17T10:17:15 < dongs> what teh fuck
2015-05-17T10:17:18 < dongs> none of DP devices i have are doing it
2015-05-17T10:18:50 < dongs> Figure 4-14 shows the wiring of an external cable connector assembly. The standard external cable connector
2015-05-17T10:18:54 < dongs> assembly must not have a wire on pin 20, DP_PWR.
2015-05-17T10:19:10 < PeterM> well, i know my vidya card does it, i checked when i hacked up a few active dp->dl-dvi convertters so they didnt need a usb cable for power
2015-05-17T10:19:31 < dongs> why the fuckingfuck would a cable not have power?!
2015-05-17T10:19:45 < PeterM> fucked if i know
2015-05-17T10:20:07 < dongs> so its for like adapters that plug directly into the port?
2015-05-17T10:21:08 < PeterM> its for a few things, its to power active dp adapters adn also to power the flash/eeprom in monitors so it can read edid etc when monitor is turned off
2015-05-17T10:23:02 < dongs> so my short 30cm chinacable i had custom made works...
2015-05-17T10:23:07 < dongs> it has 3V connected.
2015-05-17T10:23:16 < dongs> none of hte other dp cables carry power
2015-05-17T10:23:18 < dongs> fffff
2015-05-17T10:23:23 < dongs> this is fucking bullshit
2015-05-17T10:27:25 < dongs> Pins 13 and 14 of the box-to-box receptacle connector of DisplayPort Source and Sink Devices must be
2015-05-17T10:27:28 < dongs> weakly pulled down with 1M. resistors.
2015-05-17T10:27:30 < dongs> Those two pins of a DisplayPort device with a source function that uses power from DP_PWR must be
2015-05-17T10:27:33 < dongs> shorted by a . 100 . resistor.
2015-05-17T10:27:36 < dongs> oh.
2015-05-17T10:28:28 < dongs> hm thats sink
2015-05-17T10:31:13 < dongs> 3.2.2 DP_PWR Wire
2015-05-17T10:31:13 < dongs> A standard DisplayPort cable must have no wire for the DP_PWR pin.
2015-05-17T10:31:13 < dongs> Only captive cables supplied with cable powered Branch Devices or cables permanently attached to Sink
2015-05-17T10:31:16 < dongs> Devices are permitted to have the wire for DP_PWR. These captive/attached cables must have a standard
2015-05-17T10:31:19 < dongs> DisplayPort plug connector (as specified in Section 4.2.1) on one end only. The other end must either be
2015-05-17T10:31:23 < dongs> permanently attached or have a custom connector.
2015-05-17T10:31:27 < dongs> k, so that answers it. non-china cable isnt evne gonna have that shit.
2015-05-17T10:31:29 < dongs> fuck, that is dumb
2015-05-17T10:31:58 < dongs> PeterM: displaycock doesnt have EDID
2015-05-17T10:32:02 < dongs> not in eeprom anyway
2015-05-17T10:32:16 < dongs> there's aux channel thats worthless until youre powered up
2015-05-17T10:34:41 < dongs> looks like if I ever dickstart this i'll just have to get china to make me some 1:1 cables
2015-05-17T10:35:39 < PeterM> dongs i thought it wasn't initially part of  the spec but because doublepenetration has backwards compatibiloity with dvi it was added for compatibility
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2015-05-17T10:36:24 < dongs> you must be thinking HDMI
2015-05-17T10:36:29 < dongs> which does have a constant 5V
2015-05-17T10:36:30 < dongs> without faggotry
2015-05-17T10:36:34 < dongs> and is DVI compatible
2015-05-17T10:36:39 < dongs> since TDMS and shit.
2015-05-17T10:36:49 < dongs> DP is its own faggotry
2015-05-17T10:42:42 < dongs> anywayt wahtever im pissed
2015-05-17T10:42:54 < dongs> i have a 3V pad on this thing but i was hoping not to have ot dick with it
2015-05-17T10:43:13 < dongs> shelving until rage subdues
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2015-05-17T11:03:00 < kakimir> why wouldn't one implement usb charge control with mcu?
2015-05-17T11:03:09 < dongs> because its dumb
2015-05-17T11:03:36 < kakimir> if it's just a charger then it's dumb
2015-05-17T11:03:52 < kakimir> but if there is usb connection then it's smart
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2015-05-17T11:06:51 < kakimir> do you know if android has some simple serial protocol over usb?
2015-05-17T11:07:06 < kakimir> to control devices with applications
2015-05-17T11:07:44 < kakimir> wait no.. to control applications with devices..
2015-05-17T11:07:52 < kakimir> when there is no otg
2015-05-17T11:08:53 < kakimir> use media interface and move data to applications in files!
2015-05-17T11:09:51 < kakimir> maybe I just have to let it go... and buy modern android device
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2015-05-17T11:20:43 < upgrdman> kakimir, not sure. but some phones have uart via headphone jack
2015-05-17T11:20:49 < upgrdman> e.g. nexus 4
2015-05-17T11:21:38 < kakimir> sick
2015-05-17T11:21:59 < kakimir> they propably use audio dac and adc for it
2015-05-17T11:22:04 < upgrdman> no
2015-05-17T11:22:13 < upgrdman> true uart peripheral
2015-05-17T11:22:19 < kakimir> cool
2015-05-17T11:22:37 < zyp> idk if it counts as simple, but there's an «android open accessory» protocol
2015-05-17T11:22:45 < zyp> http://source.android.com/accessories/custom.html
2015-05-17T11:23:16 < upgrdman> kakimir, also with android you definitely could do serial over bluetooth
2015-05-17T11:24:11 < kakimir> yes but if I charge my phone with usb same time in this device
2015-05-17T11:24:42 < upgrdman> qi FTW
2015-05-17T11:24:52 < kakimir> ?
2015-05-17T11:25:39 < upgrdman> wireless charging
2015-05-17T11:25:51 < upgrdman> i place my phone on a mat. it charger. fucking magic.
2015-05-17T11:25:58 < upgrdman> well, magic... or inductors.
2015-05-17T11:26:17 < kakimir> can it move data
2015-05-17T11:26:22 < kakimir> same time
2015-05-17T11:26:23 < PeterM> inb4 kakimir buys http://www.dynamism.com/notebooks/viliv-n5.shtml and it fits in his trenchcoat pocket
2015-05-17T11:26:36 < zyp> no
2015-05-17T11:26:49 < kakimir> nfc for data?
2015-05-17T11:27:00 < upgrdman> bt for data
2015-05-17T11:27:03 < kakimir> can you move data over nfc
2015-05-17T11:27:06 < zyp> I mean, qi does some handshaking with the charger, but there's no api for transmitting custom shit
2015-05-17T11:27:28 < zyp> nfc can move data, but I'm not sure you can run it at the same time as qi
2015-05-17T11:27:44 < zyp> bluetooth is probably a better choice
2015-05-17T11:28:15 < kakimir> PeterM: is that phone or what?
2015-05-17T11:28:40 < PeterM> nah its a 4.8" laptop
2015-05-17T11:28:59 < kakimir> atom smells
2015-05-17T11:29:06 < upgrdman> 4.8" hardcore gaming rig
2015-05-17T11:29:15 < upgrdman> with CCFL lighting and window
2015-05-17T11:29:27 < upgrdman> water cooled, etc.
2015-05-17T11:29:27 < kakimir> play 10year old games
2015-05-17T11:31:50 < PeterM> i wondewr how well the newer atom SoCs (z3780 etc) perform for running windows instead of assdroid
2015-05-17T11:32:59 < PeterM> *z3580
2015-05-17T11:34:21 < ReadError> http://www.asus.com/Phones/ZenFone_2_ZE551ML/
2015-05-17T11:34:25 < ReadError> like on that?
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2015-05-17T11:47:33 < upgrdman> dongs, beaky has been hard at work:  https://imgur.com/a/KhxA6
2015-05-17T11:48:07 < dongs> aopen? that image is ancient as fuck
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2015-05-17T11:49:18 < ReadError> seems canadian
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2015-05-17T11:50:35 < upgrdman> dongs, ok, how about this http://i.imgur.com/gEX4Xl0.jpg
2015-05-17T11:50:52 < upgrdman> the beaky is strong in that one
2015-05-17T11:51:09 < dongs> thats a good one
2015-05-17T11:51:14 < dongs> retweeting
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2015-05-17T12:00:34 < ReadError> wow people sell their kidneys for like $6k
2015-05-17T12:00:37 < ReadError> idiots
2015-05-17T12:01:35 < PeterM> ReadError, yeah, that SoC, it's x86 so making shit work on it should be a peice of piss
2015-05-17T12:02:03 < ReadError> they are pretty cheap too
2015-05-17T12:02:05 < PeterM> wow? only 6k? man, in that cawse i've got reels of components worth mroe than that
2015-05-17T12:02:10 < ReadError> 200-300$
2015-05-17T12:02:22 < dongs> which soc
2015-05-17T12:02:28 < PeterM> yeah but i mean dont use it in a phone, put it on an assberrypi size board or soemthing
2015-05-17T12:02:36 < PeterM> atom z3580
2015-05-17T12:02:56 < ReadError> heh it takes 9v input for fastcharge
2015-05-17T12:03:22 < PeterM> ReadError, thats nice, means your shit usb cable doesnt catch fire
2015-05-17T12:08:22 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/XcH0OcZ
2015-05-17T12:09:20 < PeterM> also, 9v fast charge is nice in that if you have shitty charger and go over 5v5 by accident you dont cook your phone because input is 9v tolerant
2015-05-17T12:11:17 < ReadError> yea but 9v AC->USB adapters probably arent very common
2015-05-17T12:11:35 < ReadError> I guess if they made a car charger it might be useful
2015-05-17T12:12:50 < PeterM> i assume the one they provide is 5v + negotiate to 9v
2015-05-17T12:13:22 < ReadError> The 18W BoostMaster adapter is included with 2.3GHz/4GB ZenFone 2 model only
2015-05-17T12:13:29 < ReadError> hm odd
2015-05-17T12:13:35 < ReadError> think there is 3 models of that phone
2015-05-17T12:13:54 < PeterM> but anyway, i reckon a z3580 board would smash the shit out of the apeberry pi and related shit
2015-05-17T12:14:20 < ReadError> that is a pretty stout little phone for the $$
2015-05-17T12:14:34 < ReadError> and about half the price of other retail droids in the states
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2015-05-17T12:29:07 < dongs> < ReadError> heh it takes 9v input for fastcharge
2015-05-17T12:29:08 < dongs> oh
2015-05-17T12:29:11 < dongs> is that what samsung shit does
2015-05-17T12:29:42 < dongs> about phone shit says rated DC 9V, 1670mA
2015-05-17T12:29:59 < dongs> ya lols..
2015-05-17T12:30:06 < dongs> thats how it does 'fast' charge.
2015-05-17T12:33:22 < mtbg> 6n
2015-05-17T12:33:30 < mtbg> oops, sorry
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2015-05-17T12:44:22 < dongs> why is microusb3 such a garbage fucking connector god damn
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2015-05-17T13:07:41 < PeterM> [19:44] <dongs> why is microusb3 such a garbage fucking connector god damn
2015-05-17T13:07:54 < PeterM> how can they call it "micro" when its liek a fucking mile wide
2015-05-17T13:08:33 < dongs> that too but its so fucking shitty
2015-05-17T13:08:45 < dongs> i have some chinatown usb3> gige +hub shit
2015-05-17T13:08:49 < dongs> it was connected with micro shit
2015-05-17T13:08:58 < dongs> it fucking trahsed itself, only 2.0 part works if i want ethernet
2015-05-17T13:09:03 < dongs> such shit, fuck
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2015-05-17T13:09:45 < dongs> i have to copy 60gigs of gta5 at the office and the only thing I have with working gigabit is a fucking mac mini
2015-05-17T13:09:56 < dongs> all these fucking trash ultrabooks have only worthless faggot wifi
2015-05-17T13:10:42 < PeterM> i hate that shit
2015-05-17T13:10:56 < dongs> i will dickstart a laptop with SFP+ port
2015-05-17T13:11:08 < dongs> i dont give a fuck if it makes it 10mm thicker than the latest faggotbook air
2015-05-17T13:11:33 < PeterM> it's like "ac1750 wireless, thats 1750mbps!" yeah right, fuck off, i'd like to see you getting more than 200mbit out of that shit\
2015-05-17T13:11:40 < dongs> 200?
2015-05-17T13:11:46 < dongs> i dont think i ever seen that shit going more than 50
2015-05-17T13:11:56 < dongs> sitting right next to wifiNigger accesspoint
2015-05-17T13:12:11 < PeterM> well ac 1750 is like 1000mbit 5ghz + 750mbit on 2.4ghz or something
2015-05-17T13:12:26 < PeterM> so i assumed that it could do atleast 50 on each
2015-05-17T13:19:04 < PeterM> hey dongs
2015-05-17T13:19:31 < PeterM> http://ec.hakko.com/searchlist.php?skey=1&searchword=FX1001-81
2015-05-17T13:19:48 < PeterM> that is supposedly compatible with metcal
2015-05-17T13:22:08 < qyx_> mhm, i saw some cheap ac router benchmarks recently
2015-05-17T13:22:24 < qyx_> it was something like 900mbit speed over ethernet and 350mbit over wifi
2015-05-17T13:22:40 < PeterM> what a fucking joke
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2015-05-17T13:24:08 < qyx_> but n-lite at work can do ~70 mbit certainyl
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2015-05-17T13:24:42 < PeterM> thats sstill fuckign trash
2015-05-17T13:24:56 < PeterM> 350mbit and don't provide copper gige port
2015-05-17T13:25:21 < PeterM> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/614/546/8e1.jpg
2015-05-17T13:26:11 < qyx_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/06/review_round_up_802_11ac_routers/?page=6
2015-05-17T13:27:54 < zyp> dongs, got the 10gbe cards yet?
2015-05-17T13:28:54 < PeterM> qyx_, great so at less than 1m, with a macbook is the only time you're going to get good speeds with wireless, and even then its less than 1m so you may aswell use a fuckign cable
2015-05-17T13:33:13 < qyx_> true
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2015-05-17T14:25:33 < dongs> zyp, they're in jp i think
2015-05-17T14:25:40 < dongs> but its iparcel trash, probly mid-next week
2015-05-17T14:27:34 < zyp> ah
2015-05-17T14:27:43 < zyp> I haven't received mine yet either
2015-05-17T14:27:53 < zyp> but the fiber transceivers showed up on friday
2015-05-17T14:29:12 < dongs> yeah the consolidated shipping from USA shit is some super slow aids
2015-05-17T14:29:19 < dongs> the UAAwhatever shit tracking
2015-05-17T14:32:04 < dongs> zyp,
2015-05-17T14:32:06 < dongs> USB q
2015-05-17T14:32:13 < dongs> trying to get that trasth working on this LPC shit
2015-05-17T14:32:42 < zyp> yeah?
2015-05-17T14:32:46 < dongs> upllaing pic
2015-05-17T14:32:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/z1HyEiY.jpg
2015-05-17T14:32:55 < dongs> get this on usb lines
2015-05-17T14:33:01 < dongs> just super slow dicking
2015-05-17T14:33:11 < dongs> shit says error getting device descriptor or somsuch
2015-05-17T14:33:21 < zyp> which line is that?
2015-05-17T14:33:41 < dongs> either dp or dm i dont remember.
2015-05-17T14:33:46 < dongs> but they should be same~ish anyway isnt it?>
2015-05-17T14:33:51 < dongs> or is that important
2015-05-17T14:34:16 < zyp> well, my best bet would be that you fucked up and swapped dp/dm
2015-05-17T14:34:22 < dongs> no, that part is correct
2015-05-17T14:34:56 < zyp> screenshot looks like it should be dp, so if that's dm, that's how you fucked up
2015-05-17T14:35:46 < dongs> it is dp
2015-05-17T14:35:48 < dongs> just checked
2015-05-17T14:35:49 < zyp> get device descriptor is typically the first request any host will do, so if that fails, it usually means that data transmission is not working at all
2015-05-17T14:35:57 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-17T14:36:07 < dongs> so could it be PLL fail hsit?
2015-05-17T14:36:14 < dongs> like core not running at 12mhz properly etc
2015-05-17T14:36:30 < zyp> yeah, that's plausible
2015-05-17T14:36:33 < dongs> who will initiate this pulsing of stuff, is that host?
2015-05-17T14:36:34 < dongs> or device
2015-05-17T14:36:45 < dongs> who's doing those low pulses
2015-05-17T14:37:24 < zyp> well, usb is bidir, but since host is master, device will only respond when asked to
2015-05-17T14:37:31 < dongs> o right
2015-05-17T14:38:43 < zyp> the long low period is the bus reset, and then host is probably sending a bunch of SETUP tokens indicating the start of a control request packet
2015-05-17T14:39:15 < zyp> if the device doesn't recognize and ack them, the host will retry until it times out
2015-05-17T14:39:20 < dongs> right ok
2015-05-17T14:39:24 < dongs> time to check PLL shit on this
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2015-05-17T14:40:33 < zyp> difference between dp and dm is that dm is low when idle, i.e. before the reset, since FS has the pullup on dp
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2015-05-17T14:44:30 < dongs> hm USB pll is separate from sysclk
2015-05-17T14:56:09 < Steffanx> what "LPC shit"  is dongs workin with?
2015-05-17T15:07:58 < dongs> total and complete shit
2015-05-17T15:09:42 < dongs> fuck
2015-05-17T15:09:50 < dongs> newegg product search doesnt evne show ethernet as option
2015-05-17T15:09:51 < dongs> for laptops
2015-05-17T15:09:53 < Steffanx> lpc43xx or something?
2015-05-17T15:09:54 < dongs> waht a fucking joke
2015-05-17T15:09:56 < dongs> Steffanx: no 1768
2015-05-17T15:10:00 < dongs> even worse
2015-05-17T15:10:04 < Steffanx> aj.. yay.
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2015-05-17T20:20:00  * TheSeven wonders if anyone here has experience with eMMCs
2015-05-17T20:21:05 < dekar_> TheSeven, are they any different from SD-cards?
2015-05-17T20:21:33 < TheSeven> apparently... the one that I'm messing with seems to only support plain MMC commands, not SD commands
2015-05-17T20:21:37 < TheSeven> so different init sequence etc.
2015-05-17T20:21:47 < TheSeven> I'm trying to recover data from a dead phone
2015-05-17T20:22:08 < TheSeven> dead bugged the eMMC and hooked it up to an STM32's SDIO
2015-05-17T20:22:30 < TheSeven> I can do basic enumeration, and it seems to respond properly (but needs 100ms extra delay after CMD0 for some reason)
2015-05-17T20:22:53 < TheSeven> and CMD9 (read CSD) times out
2015-05-17T20:29:00 < PeterM> would you not have better luck hooking it up to a 99999 in 1 card reader that supports mmc?
2015-05-17T20:29:08 < PeterM> and it be quicker?
2015-05-17T20:29:28 < TheSeven> my SD readers don't seem to like it
2015-05-17T20:29:56 < TheSeven> and I don't think >2GB SD has ever hit the consumer market
2015-05-17T20:30:02 < TheSeven> er, >2GB MMC
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2015-05-17T21:52:52 < _Sync_> allegedly up to 16G TheSeven
2015-05-17T21:53:14 < TheSeven> yeah, but have you ever seen one of those?
2015-05-17T21:53:25 < TheSeven> I don't think I've even seen a >128MB one
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2015-05-17T22:10:14 < inca> why would configuring the FMC GPIO cause SDRAM to not work?
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2015-05-17T22:17:11 < inca> ah... it's changing speed
2015-05-17T22:23:19 < Austin__1> Sorry, i'm new to arm controllers. If i have an STM32F0 chip, and i want to use the SWD programming and debugging funtionality, do i only need to connect SWDCLK, SWDDAT and GND to an STLINK?
2015-05-17T22:23:46 < Austin__1> There's no other pin similar to Microchip's ICSP that needs to be pulled to a high voltage to enter debugging/programming mode?
2015-05-17T22:23:54 < Austin__1> or something similar?
2015-05-17T22:28:26 < TheSeven> Austin__1: depending on your debugger's configuration you might also need nRST
2015-05-17T22:29:07 < TheSeven> you can typically get away without that, unless you need to get it out of sleep mode or have reconfigured the SWD pins to be GPIOs
2015-05-17T22:29:29 < Austin__1> So the SWD pins default to SWD functionality on reset?
2015-05-17T22:29:56 < TheSeven> yes
2015-05-17T22:30:15 < Austin__1> i'll bring that pin to the header aswell. Does ST or ARM provide recommended circuit layouts for this header?
2015-05-17T22:30:25 < zyp> yes
2015-05-17T22:30:37 < zyp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2015-05-17T22:31:26 < Austin__1> i cant see any schematics on that page...
2015-05-17T22:32:02 < zyp> page 2 has the pinout for the 10-pin cortex debug connector, which is the modern standard
2015-05-17T22:32:05 < inca> Austin__1: it's a pinout
2015-05-17T22:32:23 < Austin__1> i meant something along the lines of http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/30277d.pdf page 2-9
2015-05-17T22:32:54 < inca> Austin__1: connect the pins to a debugger's pins of the same name =)
2015-05-17T22:32:55 < zyp> uh, you don't need anything else in between
2015-05-17T22:32:57 < Austin__1> zyp: but i'll be using SWD
2015-05-17T22:33:08 < zyp> Austin__1, good
2015-05-17T22:33:12 < Austin__1> zyp: ah, thats what i needed to know
2015-05-17T22:34:01 < inca> e.g. STLinkV2
2015-05-17T22:36:20 < Austin__1> I saw those on the ST site, I've got an STM32 discovery board in the post. Is the only benefit of 10-pin JTAG debugging over SWD; speed?
2015-05-17T22:36:36 < zyp> no
2015-05-17T22:37:06 < zyp> in my own experience, swd is slightly faster than jtag
2015-05-17T22:37:25 < Austin__1> oh, so whats the benefit of using JTAG?
2015-05-17T22:37:28 < zyp> none
2015-05-17T22:37:51 < TheSeven> support for multiple devices on the same debug bus
2015-05-17T22:37:52 < zyp> swd is a newer standard, where the whole point is to provide the same functionality as jtag with a lower number of pins
2015-05-17T22:38:05 < zyp> TheSeven, swd supports that too
2015-05-17T22:38:22 < zyp> although the implementation in older stm32s doesn't :)
2015-05-17T22:38:27 < TheSeven> it does? as in multiple separate chips?
2015-05-17T22:38:35 < zyp> multidrop swd is a thing
2015-05-17T22:39:18 < zyp> ref. http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/25872.php
2015-05-17T22:39:23 < Austin__1> zyp: oh, normally assume more pins == greater functionality
2015-05-17T22:39:46 < zyp> nah, that's not true in general either
2015-05-17T22:40:29 < Austin__1> i'll be sure to knock that misconception on the head
2015-05-17T22:40:44 < zyp> usually the whole point of fewer pin standards is to get the pincount down without losing functionality
2015-05-17T22:40:58 < zyp> just compare ulpi vs utmi and rmii vs mii and so on
2015-05-17T22:43:38 < qyx_> the ultimate goal is to make a 0-wire bus
2015-05-17T22:43:46 < qyx_> we are near with 1-wire
2015-05-17T22:44:40 < zyp> for fast buses, it's usually a matter of data rate
2015-05-17T22:45:06 < zyp> fewer pin buses needs to run at a faster signalling rate, setting stricter requirements on routing
2015-05-17T22:45:20 < Austin__1> heh, i suppose ARM mbed helps remove sections of that 1 wire?
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2015-05-17T22:55:15 < Taxman> and i was so happy to have a jtag dongle for my AVRs, FPGAs and STM32's ;)
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2015-05-17T23:32:10 < zyp> hmm, I wondered if I should play around with sigrok today and write a custom hardware driver
2015-05-17T23:32:43 < zyp> but shit doesn't seem to want to compile
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2015-05-18T01:56:45 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-05-18T03:44:11 < dongs> not much
2015-05-18T03:45:30 < dongs> i need to code some stuff and run dicknplace
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2015-05-18T04:23:52 < DrLuke> Weee
2015-05-18T04:24:11 < DrLuke> I managed to generate a kicad library with all STM32 MCUs in them
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2015-05-18T04:24:21 < DrLuke> atleast the one that are in the cubeMX xml files
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2015-05-18T04:25:43 < karlp> hehe, isn't there some weird license on the xml files?
2015-05-18T04:26:05 < dongs> who ccares
2015-05-18T04:26:10 < dongs> kiekcad could use all teh help they can get
2015-05-18T04:26:13 < dongs> since like nobody use it
2015-05-18T04:26:39 < DrLuke> karlp: shush! ;P
2015-05-18T04:29:41 < karlp> zyp: yeah, sigrok is a lot of moving pieces, but I did this over the weekend: http://imgur.com/Z8FmQGi
2015-05-18T04:30:21 < karlp> it's also the sort of license I wouldn't feel bad abotu violating, seems absurd to provide parseable data with limits on it like that
2015-05-18T04:30:46 < dongs> HEH
2015-05-18T04:31:24 < dongs> free as in aids, yay!!!
2015-05-18T04:31:50 < DrLuke> karlp: The good thing is that if I ever just release the library, they won't know it's from their files
2015-05-18T04:32:00 < DrLuke> I can just claim that I have manually parsed the data from their PDFs
2015-05-18T04:34:02 < DrLuke> and even if, I highly doubt that they're going to sue me for making their product more usable
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2015-05-18T04:41:06 < ReadMobl> R2COM: when will your comrades have a copy of AD 15.1.9 for me?
2015-05-18T04:41:27 < ReadMobl> dongs: did you get like, memory errors a lot on the previous one?
2015-05-18T04:41:41 < ReadMobl> box pops up sometimes, doesnt crash
2015-05-18T04:41:47 < dongs> wut?
2015-05-18T04:41:48 < dongs> altidong?
2015-05-18T04:41:54 < dongs> no man
2015-05-18T04:42:02 < dongs> shit *never* crashes for me
2015-05-18T04:42:15 < ReadMobl> no not crashes
2015-05-18T04:42:21 < dongs> yes, i know
2015-05-18T04:42:24 < ReadMobl> but pops up w/ the box w/ some error
2015-05-18T04:42:27 < dongs> the catched exception thing
2015-05-18T04:42:29 < ReadMobl> ya
2015-05-18T04:42:30 < dongs> that is a crash too
2015-05-18T04:42:32 < dongs> doesnt happen.
2015-05-18T04:43:04 < ReadMobl> once you save a file in a newer version
2015-05-18T04:43:11 < ReadMobl> does it kill the ability to open it in previous ones?
2015-05-18T04:43:15 < dongs> dude
2015-05-18T04:43:16 < ReadMobl> solidworks style
2015-05-18T04:43:20 < dongs> altium format hasnt changed
2015-05-18T04:43:22 < dongs> for like 5+ years
2015-05-18T04:43:25 < ReadMobl> ok good
2015-05-18T04:43:26 < dongs> so no.
2015-05-18T04:43:37 < ReadMobl> those solidworks kikes put out a new version each year
2015-05-18T04:43:43 < ReadMobl> and you cant open them in previous ones
2015-05-18T04:43:49 < ReadMobl> its a scam to make people upgrade
2015-05-18T04:44:06 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/ap44LpB.jpg
2015-05-18T04:44:23 < ReadMobl> haha
2015-05-18T04:45:50  * karlp grins
2015-05-18T04:46:14 < karlp> here, let's make fun of another country: https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/2811
2015-05-18T04:46:35 < PeterM> also, ReadError I run 14.3.17 on my laptop and 15.1.9 on my workstation and have no issues
2015-05-18T04:47:52 < PeterM> karlp " The kiwi's colour represents our mixed race society, a" the kiwis colour and shape also represents shit
2015-05-18T04:48:46 < PeterM> it looks 100% like a turd
2015-05-18T04:49:02 < PeterM> a rainboiw turn may i add
2015-05-18T04:51:14 < ReadMobl> where is the love
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2015-05-18T05:05:49 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6TxnsWj6Q
2015-05-18T05:15:20 < ReadMobl> dongs: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2Qc3y3I9/IMG_1333.JPG
2015-05-18T05:23:35 < dongs> wat is it
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2015-05-18T05:38:19 < gxti_> organic nutrients
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2015-05-18T05:50:45 < dongs> makes you feel like an irradiated jap?
2015-05-18T05:59:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/860572097/a-brony-and-pegasister-dating-social-website ror'd
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2015-05-18T06:10:18 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/17/us/texas-shooting/ murika
2015-05-18T06:26:12 < GargantuaSauce_> iron dome on his roof
2015-05-18T06:26:17 < GargantuaSauce_> calibrated to fire at dji only
2015-05-18T06:32:42 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with xplane
2015-05-18T06:33:05 < upgrdman> its a flight sim
2015-05-18T06:33:34 < upgrdman> my uni has an extravegent setup with an F5 cockpit (real one) and some projectors
2015-05-18T06:33:51 < upgrdman> research
2015-05-18T06:33:53 < upgrdman> srsly
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2015-05-18T06:34:12 < upgrdman> they plan to distract the pilot with games, and see how the pilot's performance suffers
2015-05-18T06:34:34 < upgrdman> e.g. "fly to 20,000 feet" and playing tic-tac-toe or someshit
2015-05-18T06:34:41 < upgrdman> s/and/while
2015-05-18T06:35:06 < upgrdman> to see how distrancted a pilot can get, without adversely effecting his/her ability to fly safely
2015-05-18T06:35:48 < upgrdman> the uni hired me to write some shit that logs shit from xplane and the games
2015-05-18T06:36:19 < upgrdman> fuck if i no
2015-05-18T06:36:32 < upgrdman> but it seems to work well enough for what they want
2015-05-18T06:36:38 < upgrdman> dcs?
2015-05-18T06:37:25 < upgrdman> neat
2015-05-18T06:37:42 < upgrdman> my uni has some f5 cockpit, surrounded by three high ass projectors
2015-05-18T06:37:49 < upgrdman> and fuck it gets hot in that room quick
2015-05-18T06:38:02 < upgrdman> s/high/huge
2015-05-18T06:40:19 < upgrdman> what does it do? track the movement of your arm as you jack off?
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2015-05-18T06:57:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwi6hFGkD4o
2015-05-18T06:58:55 < dongs> so fucking old
2015-05-18T06:58:56 < dongs> damn
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2015-05-18T07:03:31 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371126149646 whoaa pro
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2015-05-18T07:40:58 < upgrdman> dongs, do you know if there are any ICs that make it easy for an MCU or FPGA to interface with an HDMI monitor? like an IC that gives you a pixel buffer + docuemented registers?
2015-05-18T07:52:38 < angry_specing> there probably exist HDMI PHYs
2015-05-18T07:53:07 < upgrdman> just found an article on generating hdmi with an fpga. seems reasonable.
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2015-05-18T07:59:32 < dongs> um
2015-05-18T07:59:37 < dongs> upgrdman: FPGA is a pixel buffer
2015-05-18T07:59:52 < upgrdman> ya
2015-05-18T08:00:02 < upgrdman> but not for 1080p easily
2015-05-18T08:00:19 < upgrdman> anyway, it seems easy enough to bit bang hdmi with an fpga, so i might go that route
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2015-05-18T08:00:45 < dongs> ....
2015-05-18T08:00:57 < upgrdman> i've been wanting an easy way for interface an mcu with a 1080p monitor. might just make an mcu->fpga->hdmi board
2015-05-18T08:01:10 < dongs> or just buy a fucking hdmi transmitter IC
2015-05-18T08:01:17 < upgrdman> ?
2015-05-18T08:01:19 < dongs> and give it parallel RGB+clock+whatever
2015-05-18T08:01:33 < upgrdman> do they have pixel buffers?
2015-05-18T08:01:40 < dongs> ....
2015-05-18T08:01:45 < dongs> FPGA is your pixel buffer
2015-05-18T08:02:08 < upgrdman> i want to do mcu -> 1080p. the fpga thought was just if i had to bit bang hdmi.
2015-05-18T08:02:28 < upgrdman> but i guess i could use an fpga as a buffer for the ic. seems like a waste of an fpga tho
2015-05-18T08:02:29 < dongs> not happening.
2015-05-18T08:02:38 < dongs> using it to bitbang HDMI is even dumber
2015-05-18T08:02:55 < dongs> hdmi transmitter with "pixel buffer" = lunix SoC with HDMI OUt
2015-05-18T08:03:10 < jpa-> you could probably just put STM32F42x + hdmi chip
2015-05-18T08:03:27 < jpa-> though 1080p would reduce framerate a bit
2015-05-18T08:03:51 < jpa-> not like you'll render 1080p video at 30fps on microcontroller anyway
2015-05-18T08:04:11 < upgrdman> i dont need to draw graphics. i just want like a fucking massive HD44780. instead of 2x16, make it like 50x100
2015-05-18T08:04:12 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tfp410
2015-05-18T08:04:14 < dongs> this is cheap and works
2015-05-18T08:04:28 < dongs> jpa-: how to create pixelclock+rgbdata+timing etc?
2015-05-18T08:04:32 < dongs> just buttbang gpio?
2015-05-18T08:05:14 < jpa-> nah it has the rgb controller thingy, right?
2015-05-18T08:05:22 < dongs> oh lol
2015-05-18T08:05:42 < dongs> hmm
2015-05-18T08:05:46 < dongs> im not sure if that has hsync/vsync stuyff
2015-05-18T08:05:57 < dongs> oh it has
2015-05-18T08:05:58 < dongs> lool
2015-05-18T08:06:02 < dongs> hmm i should make somethign with that
2015-05-18T08:07:03 < dongs> whats the max rez on taht shit
2015-05-18T08:07:12 < dongs> i see some polish site saying it has 640x480 lcd hooked up to it
2015-05-18T08:07:21 < dongs> http://en.radzio.dxp.pl/stm32f429idiscovery/tft-lcd-controller.html
2015-05-18T08:09:11 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a6nkJ7V5SY
2015-05-18T08:09:18 < dongs> 640x480 is one of usable HDMI modes, too
2015-05-18T08:09:57 < dongs> hm that code isnt even using chromart
2015-05-18T08:09:58 < dongs> wut
2015-05-18T08:11:08 < dongs> up to svga looks like
2015-05-18T08:11:10 < jpa-> "Supports up to XGA (1024x768) resolution"   hmm yeah, no full-hd
2015-05-18T08:11:19 < dongs> thats still good
2015-05-18T08:11:28 < dongs> you'll need framebuffer in sdram obviously
2015-05-18T08:12:02 < jpa-> or sram
2015-05-18T08:12:06 < dongs> ..
2015-05-18T08:12:12 < dongs> got 1024x768?
2015-05-18T08:12:14 < dongs> good luck
2015-05-18T08:12:15 < dongs> er, for
2015-05-18T08:12:34 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-05-18T08:12:37 < upgrdman> "As a result, DDR SDRAM memories achieve twice the bandwidth as SDR SDRAM memories without increasing the signal integrity requirements in the system."
2015-05-18T08:12:40 < jpa-> 4 megabytes? not that bad, though sdram is cheaper yeah
2015-05-18T08:12:48 < upgrdman> how does DDR not require better signal integrity
2015-05-18T08:12:56 < dongs> it does
2015-05-18T08:13:33 < jpa-> only if you look only at frequencies it does not
2015-05-18T08:13:37 < jpa-> but in practice it does
2015-05-18T08:14:54 < dongs> jpa, where do you see 1024x
2015-05-18T08:14:59 < jpa-> refman
2015-05-18T08:15:03 < dongs> i am reading some ST powerpouint and it says up to 800x600
2015-05-18T08:15:04 < dongs> svga
2015-05-18T08:15:06 < dongs> hur realy
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2015-05-18T08:18:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyjokUTBt4k
2015-05-18T08:18:58 < dongs> thats reptty good
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2015-05-18T08:29:06 < dongs> http://masterherald.com/search-teams-for-flight-mh370-discover-19th-century-shipwreck-instead-of-missing-plane/16902/
2015-05-18T08:30:16 < pixcb> hi! Incremental read of 24cxx limited to page size 32 bytes?
2015-05-18T08:30:25 < dongs> no
2015-05-18T08:31:00 < dongs> hm then again i duno, i never read it in autoincrement mode, i just resend the usual repeat start read thing w/address
2015-05-18T08:31:06 < dongs> did you try datasheet? :)
2015-05-18T08:31:53 < upgrdman> LOL  http://i.imgur.com/stqh07N.gifv
2015-05-18T08:32:22 < dongs> loled
2015-05-18T08:35:19 < pixcb> in datasheet written only about write size, it's limited to page size. No info about read size, so i think, can i read example 64/128 bytes at one request
2015-05-18T08:35:36 < dongs> oh, in one request
2015-05-18T08:35:40 < dongs> yeah, i dont see why not
2015-05-18T08:35:41 < dongs> just try it
2015-05-18T08:36:03 < dongs> i do read like 64bytes at once on a 24LC02 if that helps
2015-05-18T08:36:17 < pixcb> ok, thank you ^^
2015-05-18T08:36:18 < dongs> but thats only cuz my i2c driver limits stuff to 64
2015-05-18T08:40:25 < upgrdman> LOL  http://i.imgur.com/zted7Fq.gifv
2015-05-18T08:41:43 < dongs> nice
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2015-05-18T08:47:30 < dongs> do you ahve a pro yoke/joystick
2015-05-18T08:47:35 < dongs> and pedals
2015-05-18T08:47:36 < dongs> and shit
2015-05-18T08:47:46 < dongs> you need to get yourself one of those chairs
2015-05-18T08:47:58 < dongs> that will actually spin you around 360"
2015-05-18T08:48:17 < upgrdman> link?
2015-05-18T08:48:23 < dongs> google, nigga
2015-05-18T08:48:33 < upgrdman> link to google?
2015-05-18T08:48:43 < dongs> is there a .fu domain
2015-05-18T08:48:45 < dongs> st.fu would be great
2015-05-18T08:48:50 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-05-18T09:01:47 < dongs> yo
2015-05-18T09:01:59 < dongs> no
2015-05-18T09:02:01 < dongs> TFT lol
2015-05-18T09:02:03 < dongs> fuck off
2015-05-18T09:02:08 < dongs> 2415Q is same price
2015-05-18T09:02:15 < dongs> and NOT openbox
2015-05-18T09:02:24 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6R42TP7293&cm_re=P2415Q-_-24-260-237-_-Product
2015-05-18T09:02:32 < dongs> and IPS etc.
2015-05-18T09:02:46 < dongs> its 24
2015-05-18T09:03:28 < dongs> sure
2015-05-18T09:03:34 < dongs> anyway, its by far better deal than that anus
2015-05-18T09:04:16 < dongs> not for cheap, no
2015-05-18T09:04:58 < dongs> read fineprint on anus too
2015-05-18T09:05:02 < dongs> it might not to 4k@60hz
2015-05-18T09:05:10 < dongs> cuz HDMI is surely limited to 4K@30
2015-05-18T09:05:21 < dongs> and that looks fucking awful
2015-05-18T09:06:01 < dongs> y
2015-05-18T09:06:22 < dongs> yes, correct.
2015-05-18T09:07:12 < dongs> god damn assburering pretty badly today
2015-05-18T09:07:17 < dongs> i did get stuff done in morning tho
2015-05-18T09:07:20 < dongs> but afternoon has been a waste of time
2015-05-18T09:08:20 < dongs> looks like it
2015-05-18T09:08:45 < dongs> ya its same as 24" version
2015-05-18T09:09:25 < dongs> 24" has it too
2015-05-18T09:09:28 < dongs> USB3
2015-05-18T09:09:39 < dongs> does it have a sd card shit too?
2015-05-18T09:09:47 < dongs> it uses same usb upstream port for the sd cardr
2015-05-18T09:10:22 < dongs> http://www.mikroe.com/click/speakup/
2015-05-18T09:10:23 < dongs> hah
2015-05-18T09:18:42 < dongs> only displayport
2015-05-18T09:18:47 < dongs> hdmi wont do > 30hz
2015-05-18T09:19:07 < GargantuaSauce_> http://www.flappyplane.net/
2015-05-18T09:19:58 < upgrdman> there any 6k or 8k monitors out yet? i hope they one-up apple's 5k trash
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2015-05-18T09:20:25 < jpa-> how is it trash?
2015-05-18T09:20:37 < dongs> GargantuaSauce_: ror
2015-05-18T09:20:42 < dongs> how is wat trash
2015-05-18T09:20:47 < upgrdman> the annoying apple logo and oversized lower bezel
2015-05-18T09:21:01 < dongs> me 2
2015-05-18T09:21:04 < dongs> thats as far as igot
2015-05-18T09:21:23 < upgrdman> they need to make a 5k imac that looks bezel-less or at least without the annoying apple "bar" at the bottom gaying it up
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2015-05-18T10:30:04 < stukdev> anybody know why every morning when i turn on my stm32f4 with usb virtual com port, i get port locked? every day! i have to reflash the firmware and i can open correctly the port. The next day when i retry open, i reget the com port locked! its incredible :D
2015-05-18T10:31:20 < akaWolf> it's a mignight magic.
2015-05-18T10:31:21 < dongs> i blame lunix
2015-05-18T10:32:08 < akaWolf> stukdev: why do you need to reflash fw? just power off/on didn't help?
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2015-05-18T10:34:25 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/chadlickey/ghost-hunter-1 proooo
2015-05-18T10:34:45 < stukdev> akaWolf: no just power off/on not solve the problem
2015-05-18T10:35:02 < dongs> impossile
2015-05-18T10:35:18 < stukdev> dongs: nothing is impossible with software :D
2015-05-18T10:36:12 < dongs> well, ghost hunting surely is
2015-05-18T10:36:24 < jpa-> stukdev: how are you flashing? does reset button fix it?
2015-05-18T10:36:25 < akaWolf> stukdev: hm, can you try next time problem is occured to connect to device from another PC?
2015-05-18T10:36:46 < stukdev> now i got the problem
2015-05-18T10:36:50 < stukdev> port locked
2015-05-18T10:36:57 < akaWolf> jpa-: power off/on better, than reset.
2015-05-18T10:36:59 < stukdev> turn on/off-> port locked
2015-05-18T10:37:01 < dongs> what is "locked"
2015-05-18T10:37:02 < dongs> btw
2015-05-18T10:37:07 < dongs> do you write stuff over vcom
2015-05-18T10:37:08 < jpa-> akaWolf: no, it is different
2015-05-18T10:37:10 < dongs> while nobody is "listening"?
2015-05-18T10:37:24 < dongs> like printf() dump or etc
2015-05-18T10:37:26 < stukdev> press reset -> port locked
2015-05-18T10:37:31 < jpa-> akaWolf: for example, if there is some initial power spike, pressing reset button or flashing later could fix it
2015-05-18T10:37:45 < akaWolf> jpa-: indeed..
2015-05-18T10:38:11 < jpa-> stukdev: when it works, will it stop working if you power off and on?
2015-05-18T10:38:37 < PeterM> dongs is this your dildo https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ascentaerosystems/sprite-the-portable-rugged-totally-different-small?ref=category
2015-05-18T10:39:14 < dongs> no but i laughed at that few days ago when doing my daily dickstarter scouting
2015-05-18T10:39:48 < PeterM> its jsut a coaxial helicopter with shitty dildo body
2015-05-18T10:39:59 < PeterM> not a JRONE
2015-05-18T10:40:20 < stukdev> jpa-: i think yes
2015-05-18T10:40:35 < jpa-> stukdev: how are you flashing your device?
2015-05-18T10:41:18 < stukdev> jpa-: two ways, cooIde and STLink
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2015-05-18T10:41:53 < akaWolf> stukdev: then it's a problem with your device, not PC...
2015-05-18T10:42:02 < jpa-> "duh"
2015-05-18T10:42:11 < jpa-> is your code otherwise working ok when usb appears locked up?
2015-05-18T10:42:15 < stukdev> akaWolf: 100% sure that is a problem of board :) or software board
2015-05-18T10:42:37 < stukdev> jpa-: what you mean by locked up?
2015-05-18T10:43:12 < jpa-> well the issue you are seeing
2015-05-18T10:44:14 < stukdev> jpa-: my sw have to open the com port to download/upload some settings, so if the port is locked, i can't open, and i can't download/upload settings
2015-05-18T10:45:09 < stukdev> but what i don't understand is why the problem is solved if i reflash the firmware and not turn off the board?
2015-05-18T10:45:29 < akaWolf> reset?
2015-05-18T10:45:35 < akaWolf> as jpa- guess..
2015-05-18T10:45:44 < stukdev> akaWolf: reset button? not works
2015-05-18T10:45:47 < akaWolf> hm
2015-05-18T10:45:48 < jpa-> does reset button also make it stop working?
2015-05-18T10:46:11 < stukdev> jpa-: yes its reset the board
2015-05-18T10:46:29 < akaWolf> and after it's stop working?
2015-05-18T10:46:44 < stukdev> ok, i reflash the sw now i can open the port
2015-05-18T10:46:57 < jpa-> so it only works when directly executed after flashing, any reset will break it?
2015-05-18T10:47:18 < stukdev> now i'm reset the board with button reset, re connect, ok no probelm with com
2015-05-18T10:47:28 < akaWolf> nice
2015-05-18T10:47:35 < jpa-> are you using SWO, ITM tracing, semihosting or other debugging-related features from your code?
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2015-05-18T10:48:04 < stukdev> now i turn off /on the cable..and com is locked :D
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2015-05-18T10:48:32 < akaWolf> maybe you program running from RAM?
2015-05-18T10:48:34 < akaWolf> :)
2015-05-18T10:48:38 < stukdev> jpa-: not in software that have write me, i don't know if iCube generate some default settings
2015-05-18T10:49:23 < stukdev> akaWolf: hehe, the program just blink a led, and when usb is locked the led is blinking so the software is running
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2015-05-18T10:49:39 < akaWolf> hm
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2015-05-18T10:50:26 < stukdev> akaWolf: can be some usb low energy profile that prevent usb to connect is some way?
2015-05-18T10:50:37 < stukdev> in some way*
2015-05-18T10:51:53 < dongs> doesnt sound likely
2015-05-18T10:52:13 < akaWolf> reflashing isnt change usb profile, I think
2015-05-18T10:52:39 < stukdev> akaWolf: so...this is very strange problem
2015-05-18T10:53:18 < akaWolf> all problems are strange before explanation..
2015-05-18T10:54:05 < stukdev> so what can i do for investigate the problem?
2015-05-18T10:54:19 < dongs> use a debugger?
2015-05-18T10:54:25 < dongs> thats a pretty obvious one
2015-05-18T10:56:40 < stukdev> debugger is not simply, becouse when debug the stm32 the usb is breaking in windows, so i can't open the port
2015-05-18T10:56:48 < jpa-> stukdev: what did the usb analyzer show?
2015-05-18T10:56:59 < stukdev> jpa-: what is usb analyzer?
2015-05-18T10:57:17 < jpa-> also you mean that usb to your debugger does not work either?
2015-05-18T10:57:36 < jpa-> maybe use a second PC to run the debugger then, if it really manages to stop all usb on the system
2015-05-18T10:57:58 < jpa-> stukdev: usb analyzer is either hardware or software that shows you the usb packets going in/out of your device
2015-05-18T10:58:11 < jpa-> usbpcap for example
2015-05-18T10:58:28 < dongs> stukdev: why?
2015-05-18T10:58:48 < dongs> i've debugged USB and it was fine
2015-05-18T10:59:41 < jpa-> yeah, should work fine if you are not stopping the CPU for too long time (minutes)
2015-05-18T10:59:50 < stukdev> jpa-: no its not a question about using 2 pc, the problem is if i set breakpoint in the st sw, windows not found the usb device, i think some interrupt is freeze couse i'm in debug
2015-05-18T11:00:05 < jpa-> stukdev: it should find it after you continue
2015-05-18T11:00:20 < jpa-> well, you shouldn't breakpoint during the usb enumeration
2015-05-18T11:00:25 < jpa-> as that has pretty short timeout
2015-05-18T11:00:35 < dongs> ^
2015-05-18T11:00:37 < jpa-> maybe use tracing instead, like zyp's blog
2015-05-18T11:00:42 < dongs> you can breakpoint anything after tho
2015-05-18T11:00:45 < dongs> and it will be fine
2015-05-18T11:00:59 < jpa-> stukdev: is your device however enumerating ok always?
2015-05-18T11:01:13 < jpa-> (in windows seeing enumeration is a bit annoying, on linux you'll see it on dmesg)
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2015-05-18T11:02:03 < stukdev> jpa-: its ok when i'm not debug (like have you said the enumeration have pretty short timeout)
2015-05-18T11:02:08 < MrMobius> not to interrupt but i just started with the GCC plugin for eclipse and it gives me a project based on HAL. When I tried to include these files which i think are StdPeriph stuff gcc wont compile because a bunch of stuff is redefined in the HAL headers. http://stm32f4-discovery.com/2014/08/library-24-virtual-com-port-vcp-stm32f4xx/
2015-05-18T11:02:43 < MrMobius> anything i can do or I just have to find a HAL example?
2015-05-18T11:03:13 < jpa-> don't reinclude the stdperiph part of it?
2015-05-18T11:03:36 < jpa-> (do i remember wrong or wasn't st's "HAL" layered atop stdperiph?)
2015-05-18T11:03:54 < MrMobius> i dont think so. isnt it a separate thing?
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2015-05-18T11:06:00 < dongs> < jpa-> (do i remember wrong or wasn't st's "HAL" layered atop stdperiph?)
2015-05-18T11:06:02 < dongs> it is kinda sorta
2015-05-18T11:06:13 < dongs> its extra indirection on top of stdlib
2015-05-18T11:06:15 < dongs> fucking garbage
2015-05-18T11:06:32 < stukdev> i'm using hal usb
2015-05-18T11:07:23 < MrMobius> stukdev: where did you get your example?
2015-05-18T11:07:36 < stukdev> MrMobius: what example^
2015-05-18T11:07:37 < stukdev> ?
2015-05-18T11:07:51 < MrMobius> HAL virtual com port code i mean
2015-05-18T11:08:36 < stukdev> MrMobius: i think there a doc on st site, that explain all the possibility for the usb, virtual com port, hid,ecc..
2015-05-18T11:09:13 < MrMobius> right but did you make everything from those pieces or did you find a file with the com port working already?
2015-05-18T11:09:40 < stukdev> MrMobius: i generate the project using ICube and coocoox
2015-05-18T11:10:07 < stukdev> i've to restart pc
2015-05-18T11:10:09 < MrMobius> i see
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2015-05-18T11:13:55 < MrMobius> this is kind of a clusterfuck
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2015-05-18T11:45:15 < stukdev> this is log when port is locked http://pastebin.com/6yscZTHR and this when port is ok http://pastebin.com/YsM2STeL
2015-05-18T11:50:45 < kakimir> does gasoline leave residue when used as cleaner?
2015-05-18T11:51:06 < jpa-> stukdev: so, dig deeper into that last transfer etc.
2015-05-18T11:51:54 < jpa-> kakimir: try?
2015-05-18T11:52:59 < kakimir> I don't have gear for such measurement
2015-05-18T11:53:26 < kakimir> residue might be minor and invisible
2015-05-18T11:54:27 < stukdev> jpa-: i've to find where is called that function in the hal driver
2015-05-18T11:55:02 < jpa-> kakimir: piece of glass? probably there will be additives & dissolved stuff in the gasoline
2015-05-18T11:55:31 < kakimir> I think so too
2015-05-18T11:55:36 < jpa-> what is so sensitive to residue?
2015-05-18T11:55:55 < kakimir> clueing stuff to surfaces
2015-05-18T11:56:18 < kakimir> I think I go with water after gasoline and then with acetyline
2015-05-18T11:56:28 < kakimir> then it's properly cleaned
2015-05-18T11:57:00 < jpa-> IPA has been enough for most, acetone should be enough also if the surface can take it
2015-05-18T12:01:35 < kakimir> if I had ipa
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2015-05-18T12:02:12 < jpa-> well, even just soap and water is enough for most cases
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2015-05-18T12:12:28 < mtbg> car grade gasoline will probably leave some oily residue
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2015-05-18T12:26:38 < dongs> surprise buttsex
2015-05-18T12:28:18 < Laurenceb__> ur an oily residue
2015-05-18T12:33:41 < Laurenceb__> new more realistic call of duty:
2015-05-18T12:33:49 < Laurenceb__> level 1: you fail all your exams
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2015-05-18T12:42:17 < kakimir> been there
2015-05-18T12:42:45 < kakimir> then I build myself place in old cowhouse
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2015-05-18T13:25:19 < dongs> stukdev: did you see how I solved my USB problem on another devboard I made ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6TxnsWj6Q
2015-05-18T13:26:28 < zyp> love the swd header
2015-05-18T13:27:01 < dongs> ya the dumb pcb didnt even have one
2015-05-18T13:27:07 < dongs> LPC idiots dont expect to debug
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2015-05-18T13:28:53 < zyp> haha, love your note 4 vid as well
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2015-05-18T13:29:47 < dongs> gotta pay more attention that was over 48 hours ago tweet :d
2015-05-18T13:30:22 < zyp> I haven't been at a computer most of the weekend
2015-05-18T13:30:27 < dongs> nice
2015-05-18T13:30:30 < dongs> thats the way to go
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2015-05-18T13:37:08 < ReadMobl> dongs: what vids you been posting on zano ?
2015-05-18T13:38:23 < dongs> no zano vids
2015-05-18T13:38:30 < dongs> tho i should fix this fucking spektrum trnasmitter
2015-05-18T13:38:38 < dongs> and try flying that autoquad m4
2015-05-18T13:38:46 < dongs> at least that flies better than zano!!11
2015-05-18T13:39:19 < ReadMobl> lol i dont get why they dont sell the motor motor adapters
2015-05-18T13:39:27 < dongs> who?
2015-05-18T13:39:30 < ReadMobl> or atleast didnt when i looked a while back
2015-05-18T13:39:31 < dongs> clonequad?
2015-05-18T13:39:32 < ReadMobl> autoquad
2015-05-18T13:39:35 < dongs> shruggin
2015-05-18T13:39:41 < dongs> there's crazyflie2.0
2015-05-18T13:39:43 < dongs> which is like same shit
2015-05-18T13:39:45 < dongs> without bill's tax
2015-05-18T13:39:55 < ReadMobl> ya its FOSH
2015-05-18T13:40:05 < dongs> < ReadMobl> ya its SHIT
2015-05-18T13:40:07 < dongs> ftfy
2015-05-18T13:40:10 < ReadMobl> lul
2015-05-18T13:40:16 < dongs> they also have motor mounts
2015-05-18T13:40:22 < ReadMobl> well the onboard charging is kinda nice, but their control stuff is fucking dumb
2015-05-18T13:40:27 < dongs> whose?
2015-05-18T13:40:29 < dongs> buttcraze?
2015-05-18T13:40:32 < ReadMobl> ya
2015-05-18T13:40:34 < dongs> shrug
2015-05-18T13:40:36 < kakimir> wohoo mouser package
2015-05-18T13:40:45 < dongs> not much better than fucking spektrum trash on autoquad
2015-05-18T13:40:59 < dongs> oh what hte fuck
2015-05-18T13:41:01 < dongs> they have NRF51 on there
2015-05-18T13:41:03 < dongs> for control
2015-05-18T13:41:04 < dongs> lool
2015-05-18T13:42:56 < dongs> haha they still using kikecad
2015-05-18T13:43:09 < ReadMobl> ya but it doesnt support a real tx I dont think
2015-05-18T13:43:15 < dongs> of course not
2015-05-18T13:43:17 < ReadMobl> only computer or tablet control cap
2015-05-18T13:43:18 < ReadMobl> crap
2015-05-18T13:43:19 < dongs> just like autoquad
2015-05-18T13:44:01 < ReadMobl> did they add the spek code on the f4? or separate mcu for that?
2015-05-18T13:44:09 < ReadMobl> or some SoC
2015-05-18T13:44:12 < dongs> no he fucking LICENSED it from deltang
2015-05-18T13:44:15 < dongs> as binary
2015-05-18T13:44:16 < ReadMobl> oh lol
2015-05-18T13:44:24 < ReadMobl> thats what i was thinking
2015-05-18T13:44:47 < ReadMobl> do people still use autoquad? dont hear much about it these days
2015-05-18T13:44:58 < dongs> duno
2015-05-18T13:45:07 < dongs> nobody even wnats to clone it
2015-05-18T13:46:36 < ReadMobl> well there was that one disgusting clone
2015-05-18T13:46:40 < ReadMobl> the eagle one
2015-05-18T13:47:26 < ReadMobl> https://github.com/multigcs/openfc
2015-05-18T13:48:09 < dongs> damn those are some german PCBs
2015-05-18T13:48:12 < dongs> matte green
2015-05-18T13:48:16 < dongs> where did that shit come from
2015-05-18T13:48:56 < dongs> looks likwe that shit jsut runs tarducopter
2015-05-18T13:49:44 < dongs> LM1117 on it
2015-05-18T13:49:50 < dongs> immediately sensing pro
2015-05-18T13:52:43 < ReadMobl> ya some germans
2015-05-18T13:58:49 < _Sync_> dongs: probably würth
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2015-05-18T14:35:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbzdyQjdRZTdlQWs/view?usp=sharing polymer caps for obsolete raspi board
2015-05-18T14:37:15 < stukdev> dongs: burn the chip?
2015-05-18T14:42:10 < dongs> not at all
2015-05-18T14:42:12 < dongs> fixed usb
2015-05-18T14:43:00 < stukdev> dongs: ?
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2015-05-18T15:16:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> How can autoquad have open source firmware with closed source hardware? Surely at the point they give you a physical board and the firmware, it doesn't take a genius to work out most of what is going on?
2015-05-18T15:16:26 < Laurenceb__> Rpi
2015-05-18T15:16:44 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ah yeah I guess if you just can't buy the chips :)
2015-05-18T15:16:50 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: the fact that you know what is going on does not mean you have rights to the design
2015-05-18T15:17:15 < jpa-> many closed source apps are trivially decompilable
2015-05-18T15:17:17 < ReadMobl> well before they used all these hipster analog sensors
2015-05-18T15:17:29 < ReadMobl> now its all common digital parts
2015-05-18T15:17:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: True, but I'm not sure you can get any IP on connecting the right pins of an off the shelf MCU to some off the shelf sensors etc.
2015-05-18T15:18:20 < trepidaciousMBR2> Maybe in the US if you make the patent confusing enough ;)
2015-05-18T15:18:59 < karlp> are you talking about whether you could be sued for making compatible hardware? or just moaning that they didn't give you loadable design files to remake it as is?
2015-05-18T15:20:34 < ReadMobl> its kind of a dumb model
2015-05-18T15:20:40 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: I'm not complaining, I just don't really get why they would bother. You're right though, maybe they just mean that the layout isn't available.
2015-05-18T15:20:45 < ReadMobl> it was so expensive that only like 5 people bought them
2015-05-18T15:21:06 < ReadMobl> so how 2 get good code when not many want to drop 400 euro on a board
2015-05-18T15:21:15 < ReadMobl> or more contributors*
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2015-05-18T16:51:34 < mike_1991> anyone worked with hardware breakpoint? I have the issue that it trigger himself many times. Can anyone give me a hint how to resolve?
2015-05-18T16:55:52 < kakimir> himself? itself
2015-05-18T16:56:14 < mike_1991> itself xD
2015-05-18T16:56:18 < mike_1991> i mean it just retrigget
2015-05-18T16:56:55 < mike_1991> kakimir: I have set an hardware breakpoint to an syscall
2015-05-18T16:57:15 < mike_1991> kakimir: I new syscall
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2015-05-18T18:35:26 < synic> so is rust something that would be appropriate for MCs?
2015-05-18T18:37:38 < synic> hrmm, looks like it may be: https://github.com/neykov/armboot/blob/master/main.rs
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2015-05-18T19:12:49 < GargantuaSauce_> let RCC = RCC();  let GPIOD = GPIOD();   let TIM2 = TIM2();   let NVIC = NVIC();
2015-05-18T19:12:53 < GargantuaSauce_> bluhhhhh
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2015-05-18T20:01:42 < jpa-> gah
2015-05-18T20:01:43 < jpa-> grah
2015-05-18T20:02:17 < jpa-> does msvc++ really make sizeof(bool) different for C++ boolean vs. C stdbool.h.. no, because it has no stdbool.h.. never mind
2015-05-18T20:03:00 < jpa-> aha, this guy has downloaded some freebsd stdbool.h and stuck it in the include folder; that explains it all
2015-05-18T20:03:30 < karlp> hrm, do I fiddle with this swo decoder to tell me what interrupts these are in exception trace, or do I just use sigrok and jpa's plugin?
2015-05-18T20:04:06 < jpa-> karlp: maybe you'll fiddle my plugin so that it can easily be used for stand-alone decoding also ;)
2015-05-18T20:05:47 < karlp> what doyou mean by "standalone" decoding?
2015-05-18T20:06:22 < karlp> I've got a bunch of "hwardware source, address 1, value = xxx, size=2 bytes" I need to turn back into interrupts and timings, or at least, that was the plan.
2015-05-18T20:09:55 < karlp> jpa-: aren't you meant to be able to get timestamp with dwt exception trace?
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2015-05-18T20:15:12 < jpa-> karlp: by standalone, i mean getting the serial data by other means than logic analyzer
2015-05-18T20:16:41 < jpa-> IIRC you can configure DWT to emit cycle counts on events, yeah
2015-05-18T20:16:52 < karlp> oh, yeah, it's an extra config isn't it.
2015-05-18T20:16:56 < jpa-> yeah
2015-05-18T20:17:02 < jpa-> because it's also 4 extra bytes on line
2015-05-18T20:17:16 < karlp> I'm using "swodec" from zapb on the oocd channel, but it's only giving me https://pastee.org/x6rfk
2015-05-18T20:17:28 < karlp> and the exception numbers don't seem to make much sense
2015-05-18T20:18:15 < jpa-> http://sigrok.org/gitweb/?p=libsigrokdecode.git;a=blob;f=decoders/arm_itm/pd.py;h=e32cce3b7256cb32d8ed8ac1c30872b1f975ab8f;hb=HEAD#l25   they should match these
2015-05-18T20:18:30 < karlp> hrm, trying to use sigrok, but I need to know what the final baud rate the stlink chose was
2015-05-18T20:18:43 < jpa-> stlink chooses your baudrate??
2015-05-18T20:19:43 < jpa-> the ITM exception numbers are actually logical, as it is just vector number; the ETM ones are totally crazy :)
2015-05-18T20:20:00 < karlp> I guess I needed to do a plus 15 to get the exception numbers I care about
2015-05-18T20:20:14 < jpa-> no i think you more likely need to minus 16
2015-05-18T20:20:15 < karlp> 15 is systick, that's fine, what's "thread" mean though? oh, return to thread mode.
2015-05-18T20:20:20 < jpa-> yeah
2015-05-18T20:23:19 < karlp> what am I not stacking properly in sigrok? I've got uart decoding, then arm tpiu?
2015-05-18T20:25:44 < karlp> it's howing up as dwt_watchpoint?
2015-05-18T20:28:29 < jpa-> do you have tpiu enabled on the mcu side or not? (if you do, everything should show up as 16 byte packets)
2015-05-18T20:28:42 < jpa-> screenshot might help :P
2015-05-18T20:28:53 < karlp> I'm probing the swo pin going tot he stlink,
2015-05-18T20:29:22 < jpa-> IIRC the stlink's SWV stuff usually does not enable the tpiu
2015-05-18T20:29:35 < jpa-> so leave that out of the stack then
2015-05-18T20:29:57 < karlp> this is with oocd running and dumping trace currently,
2015-05-18T20:30:17 < jpa-> oocd configuring the tracing also?
2015-05-18T20:30:26 < karlp> yeah, then me tweaking a few things afterwards
2015-05-18T20:30:33 < karlp> what could possibly go wrong :)
2015-05-18T20:30:59 < jpa-> does it enable TPIU? is TPI->FFCR 0x100 (disabled) or 0x102 (enabled)?
2015-05-18T20:31:43 < karlp> I can have it either way, I saw your code turned it on,
2015-05-18T20:31:57 < karlp> ok, that makes your tpiu decoder work better :)
2015-05-18T20:32:03 < jpa-> yeah, my sigrok decoders can have it either way also :)
2015-05-18T20:32:29 < jpa-> just need to stack or not stack the tpiu decoder, as i don't know a robust way to autodetect it
2015-05-18T20:32:36 < karlp> welll, sort of.
2015-05-18T20:32:59 < karlp> oh, ok, I can have it off, and then not stack the tpiu decoder, and just have the what, itm decoder I presume?
2015-05-18T20:33:14 < jpa-> yeah, uart -> itm direct
2015-05-18T20:33:49 < jpa-> tpiu is a bit figgly to sync if you have a lot of data coming through, so i usually only use it if i'm also using etm
2015-05-18T20:34:24 < jpa-> (when you typically take logic captures of just a few second long, having a sync packet come every 4 seconds doesn't help much)
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2015-05-18T20:35:41 < karlp> there we go, got the baud rate right now.
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2015-05-18T20:40:22 < karlp> nop,e now I'm crashing sigrok :(
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2015-05-18T21:05:01 < englishman> Not hard to crash sigrok
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2015-05-18T21:14:50 < zyp> I just managed to get sigrok to build earlier today, so now I'm considering writing that analyzer core I've been thinking about before
2015-05-18T21:15:46 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/v0OjW.JPG <- i.e. for this
2015-05-18T21:17:03 < zyp> just make a simple core on the fpga to capture data into bram, then make a thin usb driver on the stm32 to read out the contents from that, and a sigrok driver to grab it
2015-05-18T21:21:51 < GargantuaSauce_> i didn't know there was a bmp2
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2015-05-18T21:22:07 < GargantuaSauce_> oh emeb made it?
2015-05-18T21:22:32 < zyp> yes
2015-05-18T21:23:00 < zyp> it's just a different layout of the standard bmpm design
2015-05-18T21:23:36 < GargantuaSauce_> cool
2015-05-18T21:23:41 < zyp> with features such as sticking it into a board like that
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2015-05-18T22:04:03 < karlp> zyp: what's the purpose of such a shovel vs the fx2lafw for instance? just to have a better tool base for doing more advancced things later?
2015-05-18T22:04:36 < karlp> bleh, brough a jtag multi format breakout, the "small" 10 pin header isn't the cortex one, it's 2mm or somethign maybe
2015-05-18T22:04:47 < zyp> in what sense?
2015-05-18T22:04:49 < karlp> and the 6 pin and 4 pin single inline headers aren't stlink compatible either.
2015-05-18T22:04:57 < GargantuaSauce_> 2mm headers are the bane of my existence
2015-05-18T22:05:07 < GargantuaSauce_> both too small and too big
2015-05-18T22:06:00 < zyp> karlp, my goal is to add LA capability to a board/firmware that already has an active usb connection that's used for other purposes
2015-05-18T22:06:05 < karlp> my own fault, didn't read the description properly: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-J-link-ULINK2-Emulator-V8-all-ARM-Adapter-Converter-for-JTAG-TQ2440-MINI2440-/291346187932?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=5uV4rkiSty2HH4YKSFMLZWKVdj4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
2015-05-18T22:06:15 < karlp> zyp: fair enough,
2015-05-18T22:06:18 < zyp> currently the usb connection is mainly used for loading the fpga, but I'll add more to it later
2015-05-18T22:06:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.artik.io/hardware/artik-5
2015-05-18T22:06:46 < Laurenceb_> looks good for zano type thing
2015-05-18T22:07:00 < karlp> that was days ago laurence
2015-05-18T22:07:04 < karlp> it was even up on elreg
2015-05-18T22:08:11 < zyp> karlp, and I'm hoping that writing a simple thing that just uses a few control requests to trigger capture and fetch data is not really more work than making a firmware that mimicks fx2lafw
2015-05-18T22:09:40 < karlp> ah, it's this damn board that brough tout this 10pin 2mm shit http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/mini2440
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2015-05-18T22:11:54 < zyp> ew
2015-05-18T22:12:06 < zyp> well, it's not cortex
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2015-05-18T22:12:23 < zyp> so you can't complain too much about it not having the standard cortex debug connector
2015-05-18T22:14:30 < karlp> yeah, like I said, my bad for not reading properly.
2015-05-18T22:19:27 < kakimir> http://www.en.net.ua/diaz/emotor/zipmanager.php?an=images/img_motor3.zip&fn=img_motor3/m3_f23_b.jpg some motor control
2015-05-18T22:23:36 < GargantuaSauce> must be some pretty damn beefy motors
2015-05-18T22:24:20 < qyx_> the caps are weird
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2015-05-18T22:29:23 < kakimir> ukraines doing it their own way
2015-05-18T22:29:48 < kakimir> their html is from early millenium
2015-05-18T22:30:14 < kakimir> http://www.en.net.ua/diaz/emotor/
2015-05-18T22:36:30 < karlp> hrm, https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/dKFx4ckD is probably what I really wanted,
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2015-05-19T00:15:21 < DrLuke> does anybody know if there's a download link to ALL stm32 datasheets?
2015-05-19T00:15:29 < DrLuke> as in, one that includes all of them :P
2015-05-19T00:16:49 < synic> knowing st's site, if such a thing did exist, it would take 3 days to download it
2015-05-19T00:16:59 < Steffanx> wrote some python code to download them all once, but it's too ugly and crappy to share
2015-05-19T00:17:33 < Steffanx> it's better to be up-to-date anyway :P
2015-05-19T00:18:15 < DrLuke> Steffanx: Doesn't matter if it's crappy if it gets the job done
2015-05-19T00:18:44 < Steffanx> partially. iirc, it failed very often
2015-05-19T00:19:07 < DrLuke> Steffanx: What kind of pattern am I looking for? Are the downloadlinks numbered sequentially?
2015-05-19T00:19:18 < Steffanx> i think i used.. let me find it
2015-05-19T00:23:59 < Steffanx> i cant find it, but iirc i used some json data that contained urls to pages and extracted the ref manuals/datasheets
2015-05-19T00:24:15 < Steffanx> using regex magic
2015-05-19T00:24:28 < DrLuke> http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/resourceSelector/app?page=fullResourceSelector&doctype=datasheet&SubClassID=1169
2015-05-19T00:24:30 < DrLuke> I found this
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2015-05-19T00:27:56 < DrLuke> They have that fantastic thingmagic for finding the correct PDF, but didn't think about including a "Download All" button
2015-05-19T00:27:58 < DrLuke> sheesh
2015-05-19T00:28:54 < Steffanx> clone their entire website. dekar did that once
2015-05-19T00:29:34 < DrLuke> Steffanx: That sucks though
2015-05-19T00:29:45 < DrLuke> It's 72 pdfs, I'll just manually download them
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2015-05-19T00:31:49 < Steffanx> enjoy
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2015-05-19T00:43:53 < zyp> fucking make bullshit
2015-05-19T00:47:47 < zyp> or maybe libtool is to blame
2015-05-19T00:48:17 < zyp> for some reason I'm getting a .la file out of this, instead of the expected .a/.dylib combo
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2015-05-19T01:19:26 < DrLuke> Steffanx: With some fiddling around I got it :)
2015-05-19T01:19:44 < DrLuke> Probably would've been faster to do it manually, but this definitely was easier :P
2015-05-19T01:19:56 < DrLuke> gonna put it on git in a second
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2015-05-19T03:05:42 < ReadMobl> http://i.snag.gy/ifl7r.jpg
2015-05-19T03:05:52 < ReadMobl> whoever made this should be dragged out and shot
2015-05-19T03:15:51 < dongs> what the fuck is taht
2015-05-19T03:16:17 < dongs> pretty easy to draw but thats a weird ass package
2015-05-19T03:16:40 < dongs> pitch is 1.91 wut
2015-05-19T03:17:23 < kakimir> are you psycho dongs?
2015-05-19T03:17:38 < dongs> and 1.65 on teh bottom
2015-05-19T03:17:39 < dongs> huhu
2015-05-19T03:17:41 < dongs> ReadMobl: wat is it
2015-05-19T03:17:54 < ReadMobl> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/472/SKY65116_200510I-371353.pdf
2015-05-19T03:18:01 < ReadMobl> dongs: yea but the way they drew it
2015-05-19T03:18:06 < ReadMobl> is fucking dumb
2015-05-19T03:18:30 < dongs> cute
2015-05-19T03:18:47 < ReadMobl> im still able to draw it here but my brain is fried and i have to like think
2015-05-19T03:19:00 < dongs> getting stoned is bad
2015-05-19T03:26:07 < ReadMobl> this will have to wait until another day
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2015-05-19T03:55:16 < englishman> atn dongs http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/05/18/bitcoin-startup-21-unveils-product-plan-embeddable-mining-chips/
2015-05-19T03:56:03 < englishman> buttcoin isnt dead, it lives in your phone
2015-05-19T03:56:06 < englishman> eating your batteriez
2015-05-19T03:56:41 < englishman> The product launch reflects 21’s view that “bitcoin will ultimately be seen as a fundamental system resource on par with CPU, bandwidth, hard drive space and RAM,”
2015-05-19T03:58:29 < BrainDamage> or the fucking electric power stolen by that shit
2015-05-19T03:59:14 < ReadMobl> lol
2015-05-19T03:59:21 < ReadMobl> that phone gon run for like 20 mins
2015-05-19T04:00:18 < BrainDamage> you don't embed it on a phone, you do it on a appliance that's  connected to the power grid, like a tv
2015-05-19T04:00:26 < englishman> correction
2015-05-19T04:00:29 < englishman> you dont need that shit
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2015-05-19T05:43:57 < dongs> damn
2015-05-19T05:44:01 < dongs> EMS succeeded pretty good
2015-05-19T05:44:13 < dongs> i shipped a box 5/8 (friday), it was delivered to new york 5/11
2015-05-19T05:45:06 < zyp> EMS tends to be nicely processed by norwegian customs too, usually no bullshit
2015-05-19T05:47:44 < zyp> that's a pretty good description
2015-05-19T05:51:05 < zyp> couple of weeks ago I bought some shit, didn't realize that the product group were subject to an actual customs fee in addition to the normal 25% vat I usually have to pay
2015-05-19T05:51:53 < dongs> that soundws pretty rapey
2015-05-19T05:51:56 < zyp> paid around 1200 NOK for the shit I ordered, had to pay 1500 in customs, vat and processing fees
2015-05-19T05:52:01 < dongs> can you claim back 25% shit as a business later or whatever?
2015-05-19T05:52:11 < zyp> yeah, if I were a business
2015-05-19T05:53:30 < zyp> I've considering registering one for the small scale dicking around that I do, but I don't want that messing with my unemployment rights now, so I haven't bothered yet
2015-05-19T05:53:30 < PeterM> EMS to most of ausstralia is just as fast as DHL/UPS(fuck ups) and TNT
2015-05-19T05:53:51 < zyp> heh
2015-05-19T05:54:02 < zyp> I have pretty good experiences with UPS here
2015-05-19T05:54:09 < zyp> and bad with DHL
2015-05-19T05:54:57 < zyp> I mean, DHL is fast as fuck, but they tend to shit up the customs processing, and charge a steeper fee for doing that than the other companies
2015-05-19T05:55:02 < PeterM> DHL dont service my area, so they pass it on to the govt run postal system, so it arrives the same as EMS, except i have to pay a $20-40 out of area fee
2015-05-19T05:55:48 < zyp> EMS never charges any processing fee, UPS is a bit inconsistent
2015-05-19T05:56:53 < zyp> DHL is also the only company with their own coverage of my area, everybody else comes with the govt run postal system
2015-05-19T05:57:07 < zyp> neither UPS nor fedex charges extra for that
2015-05-19T05:57:51 < PeterM> UPS service my area, but they also charge a out of area fee, assholes
2015-05-19T05:59:42 < zyp> huh
2015-05-19T06:01:28 < zyp> when I order from e.g. digikey, shipping is free for orders over 525 NOK, then when the packet arrives, I usually only pay the 25% vat, no processing fees or anything
2015-05-19T06:02:01 < zyp> and it ships with UPS which usually means less than 48 hours from order placed until it's delivered at my door
2015-05-19T06:02:07 < PeterM> yeah, same for me and DK, DK cops teh out of area fee, but for everyone else, they ask me to pay
2015-05-19T06:02:54 < PeterM> no
2015-05-19T06:02:55 < zyp> R2COM, that's what customs fees are for
2015-05-19T06:03:05 < zyp> vat applies to everything that's sold in a country
2015-05-19T06:06:05 < PeterM> vat = sales tax
2015-05-19T06:06:14 < dongs> 25% sales tax is fucking insane  tho
2015-05-19T06:06:27 < dongs> are salaries 25% higher too
2015-05-19T06:06:44 < zyp> higher than what?
2015-05-19T06:06:55 < dongs> to compensate for extra 25% spending
2015-05-19T06:07:09 < dongs> so you see a $10 shit at the store
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2015-05-19T06:07:14 < dongs> but you know it will cost you $12.50
2015-05-19T06:07:16 < dongs> ???
2015-05-19T06:07:18 < zyp> no
2015-05-19T06:07:29 < zyp> all prices are always displayed with vat included
2015-05-19T06:07:43 < zyp> nobody cares about the price of a product without vat
2015-05-19T06:07:45 < dongs> so your shit is just expensive
2015-05-19T06:07:51 < zyp> yes
2015-05-19T06:08:14 < dongs> in alaska sales tax is zero
2015-05-19T06:08:18 < dongs> and i think 2-3 other states
2015-05-19T06:08:33 < dongs> the amount is different for each state
2015-05-19T06:08:37 < zyp> I remember it went from 5 to 8% in japan last year
2015-05-19T06:08:55 < dongs> yep :(
2015-05-19T06:09:20 < zyp> well, I.
2015-05-19T06:09:26 < PeterM> the australian equivilent is 10%, but the cool thing is, on imports it only applied to goods over $1000
2015-05-19T06:09:47 < zyp> norway has free education, free healthcare, good unemployment benefits and so on
2015-05-19T06:10:38 < zyp> I have a university degree which cost me a grand total of $300 in administration fees or something, rather than thousands in tuition
2015-05-19T06:11:29 < PeterM> but zyp you can't  buy 44 gallon drums of soda from  burger donalds chicken for $1 made by mexicans
2015-05-19T06:11:35 < zyp> I didn't know we were counting grants
2015-05-19T06:13:28 < zyp> I also got a state funded scholarship of around $14000 or so, i.e. 40% of my student loan which I don't have to pay back
2015-05-19T06:13:38 < zyp> which is what I lived on while in uni
2015-05-19T06:14:15 < zyp> 40% of your loan gets turned into a scholarship when you pass
2015-05-19T06:14:29 < dongs> damn man, youre just scamming left and right
2015-05-19T06:15:18 < zyp> dongs, nah, that's just how living in a decent country works
2015-05-19T06:15:35 < dongs> implying glorious nippon isnt a decent country
2015-05-19T06:16:11 < zyp> norway is expensive as fuck tax wise, but the benefits is pretty well worth it IMO
2015-05-19T06:16:35 < dongs> solution: dont make a lot of money
2015-05-19T06:16:44 < zyp> R2COM, so what?
2015-05-19T06:17:30 < zyp> that's a bullshit argument
2015-05-19T06:17:47 < zyp> they'll still have plenty left to enjoy
2015-05-19T06:18:46 < PeterM> ?????????
2015-05-19T06:18:48 < zyp> I don't remember the specific numbers for the max tax rate, but I don't think it's ever over 50%
2015-05-19T06:19:10 < zyp> so even if you earn a fuckton of money, you'll still have over half a fuckton left to enjoy after taxes
2015-05-19T06:19:41 < PeterM> R2COM, you already have
2015-05-19T06:20:14 < PeterM> 35% where taxable income exceeds $335,000
2015-05-19T06:21:56 < zyp> of course it does
2015-05-19T06:22:01 < zyp> or did
2015-05-19T06:22:59 < zyp> I think it's a well established fact that full blown communism doesn't work, but neither does full blown capitalism
2015-05-19T06:23:22 < dongs> how about full blown judaism
2015-05-19T06:23:26 < zyp> well, just look at USA :p
2015-05-19T06:25:08 < zyp> poverty? national debt? etc…
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2015-05-19T06:25:42 < zyp> american healthcare seems like a fucking third world country from my perspective
2015-05-19T06:26:15 < zyp> for society
2015-05-19T06:26:35 < PeterM> R2COM if all the dumb people die from poor healthcare, who is going to pick up your trash, who is going to flip your burgers?
2015-05-19T06:27:08 < PeterM> not if they're all dead
2015-05-19T06:27:26 < PeterM> why? if healthcare is too expensive
2015-05-19T06:27:50 < zyp> R2COM, yeah, I heard that's been working out well for africa
2015-05-19T06:28:06 < PeterM> i heard that worked well for the plague
2015-05-19T06:30:32 < zyp> what if you made ten times as much food as you could eat?
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2015-05-19T06:31:30 < zyp> yes, and tomorrow you make ten times as much again
2015-05-19T06:31:42 < zyp> now you've eaten two meals and have 18 in the fridge
2015-05-19T06:31:55 < zyp> how do you sell money for money? I don't get your analogy now
2015-05-19T06:32:14 < dongs> i got up to 3 in flappyplane
2015-05-19T06:32:31 < zyp> I passed 4 or something before I got tired
2015-05-19T06:32:55 < zyp> R2COM, but if food is an analogy for income, how do you sell your spare income for money?
2015-05-19T06:33:34 < zyp> yeah, that's what I do, I invest it in my country's future
2015-05-19T06:35:00 < zyp> I don't mind
2015-05-19T06:35:24 < zyp> that means people would give their extras to me too
2015-05-19T06:35:45 < zyp> say, do you have any sort of insurance?
2015-05-19T06:36:09 < zyp> okay, say you have an insured car
2015-05-19T06:36:28 < zyp> when other people break their cars, your insurance money are given to them.
2015-05-19T06:36:32 < zyp> same thing.
2015-05-19T06:38:01 < zyp> sure it is
2015-05-19T06:38:34 < zyp> like you say, car insurance is calculated from the value of your car
2015-05-19T06:38:58 < zyp> tax is calculated from the value of me, i.e. my personal wealth
2015-05-19T06:39:23 < zyp> how is that not fair?
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2015-05-19T06:40:50 < zyp> I didn't say 50%, I said less than 50%
2015-05-19T06:42:07 < zyp> idk, if you sum up the insurance paid over the lifetime of a car, I'm sure it's not exactly cheap
2015-05-19T06:43:06 < zyp> keep in mind that insurance companies are usually run for profit too
2015-05-19T06:43:23 < zyp> a part of the income makes it way to the shareholders
2015-05-19T06:44:00 < zyp> so the amount of money that makes it back to the customers is smaller than the amount of money paid by the customers
2015-05-19T06:44:29 < zyp> which means that on average, you pay more than you get back from insurance
2015-05-19T06:44:47 < zyp> yep
2015-05-19T06:45:29 < zyp> but on the other hand, my country is not a for profit company with shareholders
2015-05-19T06:46:02 < zyp> so the amount of money paid by the people goes back to the people, not to shareholders
2015-05-19T06:46:38 < zyp> what are you basing that argument on?
2015-05-19T06:47:16 < zyp> I can't personally do that, please tell me what would happen and why
2015-05-19T06:47:59 < zyp> why?
2015-05-19T06:48:44 < PeterM> zyp R2COM is clearly trolling
2015-05-19T06:50:42 < zyp> R2COM, why not? I don't see the amount of unemployed people changing even if the total number is
2015-05-19T06:52:18 < zyp> meanwhile, the free education would lead to more/better educated people, leading to a greater amount of workers, leading to increased production, leading to more money for all
2015-05-19T06:55:16 < zyp> how much what huh?
2015-05-19T06:56:19 < zyp> I haven't said that
2015-05-19T06:56:42 < zyp> I'm saying that free education leads to less unemployed people.
2015-05-19T06:58:45 < zyp> oh, there's tax funded stuff that funds startup companies as well
2015-05-19T06:59:05 < zyp> so my tax goes towards funding new companies too
2015-05-19T06:59:56 < zyp> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation_Norway for instance
2015-05-19T07:01:37 < zyp> I think there was talk about some funding for that project I did an f4 board for recently coming from there
2015-05-19T07:02:22 < zyp> idk, you didn't ask for numbers
2015-05-19T07:02:45 < zyp> you haven't provided any numbers for how many jobs are created by people with money either
2015-05-19T07:05:44 < zyp> so what is it you want me to do now? list norwegian companies in similar roles?
2015-05-19T07:06:45 < dongs> what the fuck is R2COM torlling about
2015-05-19T07:06:49 < dongs> this stuff was boring so i left
2015-05-19T07:06:51 < dongs> and hes still talking
2015-05-19T07:07:47 < zyp> he's still going on about how being an egoistic capitalist purportedly leads to a good society
2015-05-19T07:11:45 < zyp> R2COM, actually, I'm not sure how people with money leads to more jobs either
2015-05-19T07:12:41 < zyp> surely what leads to more jobs is more company income, coming from better production, coming from better educated workers
2015-05-19T07:14:45 < zyp> and on the topic of investors, I'm sure you can also consider better production -> better ROI -> less risk -> more investors
2015-05-19T07:22:40 < zyp> what people will they hire when they run out of educated people?
2015-05-19T07:23:05 < zyp> and what's saying there's no competition here?
2015-05-19T07:23:10 < PeterM> not dumb people, buecause under R2COMs world they're all dead
2015-05-19T07:23:58 < zyp> also, I don't see why people here wouldn't want to make more.
2015-05-19T07:24:26 < zyp> what?
2015-05-19T07:24:41 < zyp> have I ever said I don't want to make more?
2015-05-19T07:25:03 < PeterM> somethign something hybrid system somethign something no extreme works something somethign jetfuel something something steel beams
2015-05-19T07:26:10 < zyp> I'm saying I'm happy to pay taxes when I'm considering what I get in return for them
2015-05-19T07:27:02 < zyp> of course, I'd rather prefer to earn twenty times what I'm earning now, and I wouldn't mind paying taxes on that too
2015-05-19T07:31:30 < emeb> F030-based synth module w/ PCB front panel -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/cheep_mod_hw_front.jpg
2015-05-19T07:32:37 < dongs> is front panel oshpark pcb
2015-05-19T07:32:53 < zyp> haha, cute
2015-05-19T07:33:19 < PeterM> why img load sidewaz
2015-05-19T07:33:33 < emeb> was rightside up for me.
2015-05-19T07:34:09 < zyp> looks right here too, but it loaded from right to left rather than top down
2015-05-19T07:34:20 < zyp> or was it left to right
2015-05-19T07:34:21 < PeterM> ^
2015-05-19T07:34:28 < PeterM> right left
2015-05-19T07:34:31 < zyp> yeah
2015-05-19T07:34:34 < zyp> it's normal
2015-05-19T07:34:41 < emeb> It's an F030 with a 12-bit SPI DAC and some pots, switch & control voltage input.
2015-05-19T07:34:50 < emeb> need to write some code to generate audio
2015-05-19T07:34:58 < zyp> camera stores the image in landscape orientation, then sets a metadata flag to display it in portrait
2015-05-19T07:35:01 < emeb> probably do an oscillator
2015-05-19T07:35:04 < ds2> is that front piece another PCB?
2015-05-19T07:35:07 < zyp> instead of rotating the image before compressing it
2015-05-19T07:35:13 < dongs>  < dongs> is front panel oshpark pcb
2015-05-19T07:35:13 < emeb> ds2: yes
2015-05-19T07:35:15 < dongs> ds2: youre late
2015-05-19T07:35:29 < ds2> dongs: yes I am... I just finished dinner :P
2015-05-19T07:35:41 < emeb> cheaper to get it made w/ PCB material than to get it from Front Panel Express.
2015-05-19T07:36:03 < dongs> no doubt
2015-05-19T07:36:33 < emeb> also really easy to do mounting holes in same tool that I did layout
2015-05-19T07:39:56 < zyp> yeah, I guess if you added more layers you could even add it to the footprint
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2015-05-19T07:40:56 < ds2> M-E-CAD
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2015-05-19T07:44:49 < dongs> muzak
2015-05-19T07:46:48 < emeb> R2COM: I do modular synth design as a side project.
2015-05-19T07:47:06 < emeb> Usually other guys do the HW and I do the SW. This is my own HW>
2015-05-19T07:50:58 < emeb> Nah - this isn't pro audio
2015-05-19T07:51:03 < emeb> this is musical instruments
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2015-05-19T08:24:01 < jpa-> bah.. "Features: Reading and writing an arbitrary amount of data per call (max. 1500 bytes per single call)"
2015-05-19T08:24:06 < jpa-> how arbitrary is that :D
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2015-05-19T09:21:40 < dongs> Hi Schluss,
2015-05-19T09:21:41 < dongs> Any heat generated in electronics is a waste of energy. At Torquing, we've tracked these inefficiency and designed the electronics to minimise the heat losses.
2015-05-19T09:21:44 < dongs> The motors we've fitted on Zano and the way they are controled is substantially better than what we have observed in the competition with drones of the same size. You'll be able to come to the same conclusion if you touch the Zano motors after a few minutes of continuous flight, and if you do the same (at your own risks) with any other drone of the same size, and compare the temperature felt
2015-05-19T09:21:50 < dongs> hahahahaha
2015-05-19T09:21:50 < dongs> wow, zano invented a new way to drive brushed motors
2015-05-19T09:21:54 < dongs> holy fucking shit.
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2015-05-19T09:26:45 < PeterM> dongs they drive them with fans o nthem that blow gcold air over them, amaze
2015-05-19T09:28:57 < dongs> no way
2015-05-19T09:30:55 < dongs> 2 more weeks of this shit
2015-05-19T09:31:13 < dongs> and they will need to start delivering huhu
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2015-05-19T10:27:33 < dongs> hm
2015-05-19T10:27:40 < dongs> i thought i fixed this castellated via vs keepout layer shit
2015-05-19T10:27:42 < dongs> but its still not working
2015-05-19T10:27:46 < dongs> getting drc violations
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2015-05-19T14:23:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doayee/bluetooth-audio-link audiophile alert
2015-05-19T14:23:44 < englishman> only finest-quality audiophile-grade oshpark pcbs
2015-05-19T14:24:04 < PeterM> it gives the soudn a purple tinge, do not like 0/10
2015-05-19T14:24:21 < ReadMobl> im more sober today, need to try and draw this damn part
2015-05-19T14:24:27 < ReadMobl> with math
2015-05-19T14:25:22 < PeterM> read no need for math, jsut move the origin with every pad
2015-05-19T14:25:27 < PeterM> then when your done centre
2015-05-19T14:26:59 < ReadMobl> http://i.snag.gy/ifl7r.jpg
2015-05-19T14:27:06 < ReadMobl> this is why its a real pain in the dick
2015-05-19T14:27:41 < ReadMobl> i need to like draw it out on paper and annotate the dimensions that actually matter
2015-05-19T14:28:15 < ReadMobl> hmm on second thought it looks easier today
2015-05-19T14:36:09 < dongs> christ youre still bitchin gabout it
2015-05-19T14:36:14 < dongs> this is a 5 minute job in altidong
2015-05-19T14:36:19 < karlp> no, he only just got up again :)
2015-05-19T14:37:15 < ReadMobl> dongs: is there a way to move the origin of a pad, the current way i can like specify where on the grid, but then i have to math half the length of the pad
2015-05-19T14:37:26 < ReadMobl> i was too stoned yesterday
2015-05-19T14:37:29 < dongs> > math
2015-05-19T14:37:30 < dongs> > half
2015-05-19T14:37:31 < dongs> god damn
2015-05-19T14:37:32 < ReadMobl> now im not
2015-05-19T14:37:34 < dongs> calc.exe bro
2015-05-19T14:37:39 < ReadMobl> im just tired and lazy ;(
2015-05-19T14:37:49 < ReadMobl> ya thats what im doing now
2015-05-19T14:37:54 < ReadMobl> just figured there might have been a way
2015-05-19T14:39:43 < ReadMobl> wish there was a mirror function that would be nice
2015-05-19T14:58:30 < ReadMobl> http://i.snag.gy/lH2yg.jpg \o/
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2015-05-19T15:07:46 < dongs> there is,
2015-05-19T15:07:50 < dongs> mirror
2015-05-19T15:07:52 < dongs> you fucking suck
2015-05-19T15:13:30 < ReadMobl> theres too many god damn buried options
2015-05-19T15:23:38 < englishman> will oshpark even try to print that narrow ass silk
2015-05-19T15:26:38 < ReadMobl> maybe not, i can fatten
2015-05-19T15:26:54 < ReadMobl> but for now, im just doing Read1LFab
2015-05-19T15:29:21 < Laurenceb__> dongs toilet (NSFW) http://s03.tcuniverse.com/vkmedia_store/2014/02/giQOJig6xYZRu82d/sizes/clean/pic_014_clean_790.jpg
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2015-05-19T15:36:26 < dongs> very safe
2015-05-19T15:36:28 < dongs> wtfg you talkin about
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2015-05-19T16:20:33 < dongs> anyone know if I can broadcast a message in canbus and (lets say) a bunch of devices will receive it, am i gonna get  shitstorm of acks/replies, or will it just work
2015-05-19T16:26:17 < qyx_> can is source/data addressed
2015-05-19T16:26:38 < qyx_> every client registers which id it wants to receive
2015-05-19T16:26:42 < dongs> right
2015-05-19T16:26:44 < dongs> but theres broadcast
2015-05-19T16:26:53 < qyx_> uh
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2015-05-19T16:34:09 < dongs> god damn
2015-05-19T16:34:13 < dongs> these docs are utterly worthless
2015-05-19T16:34:29 < dongs> fuck toshiba and their engrish docs with zero useful info and retarded excel files for calculating shit
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2015-05-19T16:36:58 < dongs> https://youtu.be/rBJ2wGC_Hhk?t=39
2015-05-19T16:37:00 < dongs> this just happened
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2015-05-19T16:39:05 < qyx_> wat, what did he do
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2015-05-19T16:40:17 < dongs> set himself on fire in front of chinq equivalent of whitehouse type thing
2015-05-19T16:40:23 < dongs> some govt building
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2015-05-19T16:43:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skGpojxr4qI aftermath
2015-05-19T16:44:04 < dongs> idiot 80% burned
2015-05-19T16:46:36 < karlp> better off dead :(
2015-05-19T16:46:46 < dongs> agreed
2015-05-19T17:26:44 < PeterM> ReadMobl, x flips on x axis, y flips on y axis
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2015-05-19T17:35:07 < dongs> so hard
2015-05-19T17:35:20 < ReadMobl> nah i mean like solidworks style
2015-05-19T17:35:39 < ReadMobl> where you can mirror about a reference line
2015-05-19T17:35:46 < dongs> yes, you can
2015-05-19T17:36:15 < dongs> that is how i make footprints for shit like connectors and stuff with 2 or more rows of shit
2015-05-19T17:36:21 < dongs> mirror across Y or wahtever
2015-05-19T17:36:21 < PeterM> uhh make selection, pick up selection ,press x
2015-05-19T17:36:44 < PeterM> the selections position is then flipped on that axis...
2015-05-19T17:39:00 < ReadMobl> that x,y stuff must not be mapped by default
2015-05-19T17:39:55 < PeterM> not sure if stupid or trolling
2015-05-19T17:40:24 < ReadMobl> http://i.snag.gy/AmESz.jpg
2015-05-19T17:40:47 < PeterM> [00:39] <PeterM> not sure if stupid or trolling
2015-05-19T17:42:03 < PeterM> drag box around everything
2015-05-19T17:42:35 < PeterM> click and "lift" as if to move it, prss x or y
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2015-05-19T17:45:42 < dongs> FUCK TOSHIBA; TOSHIBA SUX; TOSHIBA IS DYING; TOSHIBA IS DEAD TO ME; TOSHIBA HIT WTC
2015-05-19T17:48:03 < PeterM> LAPTOP FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS
2015-05-19T17:48:26 < PeterM> ReadMobl, you qwork that shit out?
2015-05-19T17:48:29 < ReadMobl> PeterM: i see the problem
2015-05-19T17:48:37 < ReadMobl> that command works in the pcb editor
2015-05-19T17:48:40 < ReadMobl> but not pcb lib
2015-05-19T17:48:45 < dongs> ...
2015-05-19T17:48:50 < dongs> like hell it doesnt
2015-05-19T17:49:03 < dongs> i should twat.tv making footpring for that readerror trash
2015-05-19T17:49:05 < dongs> in like 2 minutes
2015-05-19T17:49:59 < ReadMobl> i finished that
2015-05-19T17:50:06 < ReadMobl> im holding the pad, its white
2015-05-19T17:50:07 < PeterM> uhh i tried it in pcb lib to make sure tehre was nothign you could fuck up before i typed it
2015-05-19T17:50:15 < ReadMobl> i hit x/y and not dick ahppens
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2015-05-19T17:52:06 < ReadMobl>  http://i.snag.gy/RsbqA.jpg
2015-05-19T17:52:21 < ReadMobl> see its mapped to deselect or w/e
2015-05-19T17:52:30 < dongs> i just tried
2015-05-19T17:52:31 < dongs> to hit X
2015-05-19T17:52:32 < PeterM> ahh i see your problem, you try mirror single selected pad, and your thing auto snaps to centre of part, so when it flips, it looks like ntohing happens, but it does flip, but since your selection point is centred
2015-05-19T17:52:33 < dongs> on that fucking
2015-05-19T17:52:35 < dongs> shortcuts window
2015-05-19T17:52:47 < dongs> too stoned
2015-05-19T17:53:15 < ReadMobl> o
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2015-05-19T17:54:47 < ReadMobl> it works in pcb editor though
2015-05-19T17:54:51 < karlp> dongs: "< b0b> holy crap! I thought you were kidding...
2015-05-19T17:54:59 < karlp> < b0b> that really is someone on fire....
2015-05-19T17:55:02 < dongs> lol
2015-05-19T18:00:03 < ReadMobl> PeterM: i just made some shit w/ the hole offset
2015-05-19T18:00:11 < ReadMobl> and ya, it does do the same shit as hitting spacebar
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2015-05-19T18:03:33 < PeterM> no spacebar rotates, this mirrors, ie, if you space twice when its set to 90degrees, and pin one was at the top, it will be down the bottom now, if you mirror not spacebar, pin 1 will be up the top
2015-05-19T18:05:15 < ReadMobl> ohhh i see, what i was trying to do was like
2015-05-19T18:05:28 < ReadMobl> say i have a row of pins at x=-4
2015-05-19T18:05:37 < ReadMobl> and i wanted to mirror them about the origin to x=4
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2015-05-19T18:14:04 < PeterM> thats easy, select parts e>r 90/270 select point to rotate them around
2015-05-19T18:14:43 < PeterM> e-m-r
2015-05-19T18:15:26 < PeterM> e-m-o fuck
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2015-05-19T18:25:10 < dongs> ince, is imgur dead for anyone else
2015-05-19T18:26:22 < dongs> hm it works now
2015-05-19T18:26:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iOAacD6.jpg
2015-05-19T18:29:29 < zyp> 2560x800?
2015-05-19T18:29:37 < zyp> horizontally tiled 2560x1600?
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2015-05-19T18:31:59 < dongs> nope
2015-05-19T18:32:05 < dongs> horizontally split 1280x800
2015-05-19T18:32:15 < zyp> oh, right
2015-05-19T18:32:24 < dongs> second panel isnt hooked up
2015-05-19T18:32:38 < zyp> I thought you only did decent panels :p
2015-05-19T18:32:45 < dongs> i do wat pays
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2015-05-19T18:32:50 < dongs> and this allows me to do some other stuff
2015-05-19T18:34:18 < PeterM> also, ewww hdmi
2015-05-19T18:34:41 < PeterM> can you even do 4x 60fps on hdmi?
2015-05-19T18:34:51 < dongs> 4x or what
2015-05-19T18:34:53 < dongs> er of
2015-05-19T18:34:57 < dongs> its only 2x split
2015-05-19T18:35:06 < PeterM> 4k
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2015-05-19T18:35:19 < PeterM> 4k not 4x
2015-05-19T18:36:55 < dongs> nope
2015-05-19T18:39:51 < PeterM> can it do 2560x1600 at 60fps at least?
2015-05-19T18:41:13 < zyp> my monitor can't
2015-05-19T18:41:37 < zyp> it's 2560x1440 on DL-DVI or DP, but limited to 1920x1080 on HDMI
2015-05-19T18:41:52 < zyp> but there's newer HDMI standards that's faster
2015-05-19T18:42:36 < karlp> I don'tsuppose there's a way to get the commit message back from a commit that was reset?
2015-05-19T18:43:10 < zyp> sure it is
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2015-05-19T18:43:31 < karlp> reflog somewhere I guess?
2015-05-19T18:43:41 < karlp> yes! aweomse
2015-05-19T18:43:42 < zyp> yes, use the reflog to find the commit hash
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2015-05-19T18:45:36 < zyp> any time a commit is deleted (either explicitly or because it's edited and ends up with a different hash), it still tends to stick around in your repo until it's garbage collected
2015-05-19T18:46:16 < zyp> and you can dig up unreferenced commit ids in the reflog, allowing you to recover them in full
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2015-05-19T18:51:57 < dongs> < PeterM> can it do 2560x1600 at 60fps at least?
2015-05-19T18:51:58 < dongs> yes
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2015-05-19T18:52:44 < dongs> PIXEL CLOCK				260.726 	MHz
2015-05-19T18:52:51 < dongs> < 297MHz for 1.4 HDMI
2015-05-19T18:53:41 < dongs> so
2015-05-19T18:53:48 < dongs> i got this fucking official excel from toshiba
2015-05-19T18:53:52 < dongs> with shit to calculate for this chip
2015-05-19T18:53:56 < dongs> and i typed all teh shit in and it doenst work
2015-05-19T18:54:03 < dongs> i used crap from opensores lunix trash
2015-05-19T18:54:04 < dongs> and it works
2015-05-19T18:54:06 < dongs> fucking great
2015-05-19T18:54:17 < PeterM> dongs wow, so basicalyl 2560x1600 at 60fps is the highest "real" resolution it can do, thats fukken shit
2015-05-19T18:55:27 < dongs> well or amazing 4K @30p
2015-05-19T18:55:28 < dongs> keke
2015-05-19T18:55:44 < PeterM> yeah nah
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2015-05-19T18:57:37 < dongs> hm
2015-05-19T18:57:47 < dongs> i get glitches in lvds clock every 854ns
2015-05-19T18:57:50 < dongs> 1.171MHz
2015-05-19T18:57:57 < dongs> i wonder if thats my DC/DC switching frequency
2015-05-19T19:00:43 < dongs> the fucking switcher is right
2015-05-19T19:00:49 < dongs> i get glitches on 1.2V with same shit
2015-05-19T19:00:52 < dongs> fff
2015-05-19T19:01:28 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DjjwioW.png
2015-05-19T19:02:34 < dongs> do i need to r2com  this shit
2015-05-19T19:03:03 < PeterM> heh... odd rising edge ringing
2015-05-19T19:04:07 < dongs> now i need to see how that correlates to pixels
2015-05-19T19:05:42 < dongs> PeterM: what should it look like
2015-05-19T19:05:53 < dongs> for power supply ripple
2015-05-19T19:06:56 < PeterM> buck usually rings more when it switchs off than when it switchs on
2015-05-19T19:07:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ZjLIHU7.png
2015-05-19T19:07:49 < dongs> thats overall
2015-05-19T19:07:51 < dongs> looks pretty nasty
2015-05-19T19:08:06 < dongs> i should just stick a bunch of caps on output
2015-05-19T19:08:50 < dongs> k gonna see if 1.2mhz = ~180pixels
2015-05-19T19:08:53 < PeterM> prob wont help much
2015-05-19T19:09:38 < dongs> 19.673us for horizontal line
2015-05-19T19:09:51 < dongs> its there 9 times
2015-05-19T19:10:15 < PeterM> i'd consider more/better input capacitance because it seems like the mosfet isn't turnign on cleanly
2015-05-19T19:11:19 < dongs> ya i jsut have a single 10uF cap on input.
2015-05-19T19:11:30 < dongs> .. 0603 10uF cap
2015-05-19T19:11:43 < dongs> so its prolbly like 5uF
2015-05-19T19:12:45 < dongs> o wait switcher is 2.25mhz
2015-05-19T19:13:02 < dongs> those noises are /2 that
2015-05-19T19:14:15 < PeterM> not even a .1/.47 uf?
2015-05-19T19:14:25 < dongs> on input?
2015-05-19T19:14:28 < PeterM> yer
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2015-05-19T19:14:32 < dongs> ya nothin just that
2015-05-19T19:15:07 < dongs> man shading in altidong 15.1 is really broken
2015-05-19T19:15:10 < dongs> transparent stuff
2015-05-19T19:15:13 < dongs> they fucked with defaults
2015-05-19T19:15:16 < dongs> stuff looks too bright now
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2015-05-19T19:19:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/B999c9Q.png both 3V and 1.2V have that noise
2015-05-19T19:20:28 < dongs> in phase, i thought it runs stuff out of phase
2015-05-19T19:22:22 < PeterM> what switcher?
2015-05-19T19:23:03 < dongs> ncp1532
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2015-05-19T19:26:13 < PeterM> is pin 6 high or low?
2015-05-19T19:26:30 < dongs> high
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2015-05-19T19:28:31 < PeterM> and i assume you went 2uh2 and 10uf?
2015-05-19T19:28:46 < dongs> yep
2015-05-19T19:28:50 < dongs> "10"uf
2015-05-19T19:32:48 < PeterM> i dont think more output capacitance would help much, if current draw is very stable, i'd just bump up the inductor
2015-05-19T19:33:20 < PeterM> also i assume you're using that little coil to probe, not the long ground lead
2015-05-19T19:33:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2IKrjBB.png this is my input 5V
2015-05-19T19:33:30 < dongs> (lol)
2015-05-19T19:33:38 < PeterM> hoyl fuck
2015-05-19T19:33:45 < PeterM> more input cap for sure
2015-05-19T19:36:38 < dongs> still fugring out what the glitch every 180pixels is related to this switching shit or not
2015-05-19T19:37:13 < PeterM> what are 10uf 0603 worth these days?
2015-05-19T19:37:19 < dongs> 21$/reel
2015-05-19T19:37:25 < dongs> -ish
2015-05-19T19:37:52 < gxti> nothing, because they're trash
2015-05-19T19:37:59 < dongs> heh heh
2015-05-19T19:38:22 < PeterM> just stick another on, fuck it they're like sand
2015-05-19T19:38:34 < gxti> better make it 4
2015-05-19T19:38:50 < PeterM> with a 5v rail wit h400mv noise, sure why not
2015-05-19T19:38:55 < dongs> since i have to redo these boards anyway im just gonna stick a bunch EVERYWHRE
2015-05-19T19:38:58 < gxti> or better yet upgrade to a single 1206 and actually get the rated value
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2015-05-19T19:39:05 < gxti> not -60% under bias.
2015-05-19T19:40:46 < PeterM> 1206 at 5v is still like 80% (so -20)
2015-05-19T19:41:07 < dongs> or i could put some tantalols on
2015-05-19T19:41:18 < dongs> or even some alu
2015-05-19T19:41:22 < PeterM> no alu
2015-05-19T19:41:35 < dongs> yellow tants make board look super pro
2015-05-19T19:41:48 < PeterM> nah get the black ones then people think they're diodes
2015-05-19T19:43:59 < gxti> eh, i seem to remember more like -10% for 1206 but i could be wrong
2015-05-19T19:46:32 < PeterM> anyway, clean up the input, garbage in = garbage out, sim surprised the output is that nice
2015-05-19T19:47:04 < dongs> heh yeah
2015-05-19T19:47:40 < dongs> ah, ill try feeing it 5V from riglol
2015-05-19T19:47:43 < dongs> instead of this chink usb hub
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2015-05-19T19:52:51 < dongs> 5V from riglol doesnt look any better
2015-05-19T19:52:55 < dongs> the switcher is raping it
2015-05-19T19:52:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yOrLRZl.png
2015-05-19T19:53:15 < dongs> ther'es 2 of htem actually running off same 5V
2015-05-19T19:53:22 < dongs> that dual and 1521
2015-05-19T19:55:48 < PeterM> jesus fuck
2015-05-19T19:56:36 < dongs> 100mv/div thats what.... 500mV worth of crap?
2015-05-19T19:56:48 < PeterM> yeah
2015-05-19T19:58:17 < PeterM> just solder shitty old 470uf electro to the 0.1" header where yo uhookthe power supply up and see how much diff that mnakes
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2015-05-19T19:59:29 < PeterM> sht ddnt realize top board adn botto mboard have seperate power
2015-05-19T19:59:41 < _Sync_> dongs: need to put the scoep into fastacq to get a real representation of the noise
2015-05-19T20:00:25 < dongs> not separate
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2015-05-19T20:00:51 < dongs> i used USB for bottom 5V but its linked to the top one 5V pin
2015-05-19T20:00:57 < dongs> thats where I put riglol
2015-05-19T20:01:03 < dongs> _Sync_: will do
2015-05-19T20:02:01 < _Sync_> noticed that with my mdo
2015-05-19T20:02:14 < _Sync_> that it always does intensity grading
2015-05-19T20:02:21 < _Sync_> which fucks everything up
2015-05-19T20:02:32 < PeterM> but yer, if you have no local bulk storage, just the little decoupling your rails are going to lok liek shit
2015-05-19T20:02:36 < dongs> hehe
2015-05-19T20:02:42 < dongs> 330uF alu reduced it by about half
2015-05-19T20:02:45 < dongs> i think its too far from the switchers
2015-05-19T20:03:05 < PeterM> doesn't matter, it serves different purpose
2015-05-19T20:04:42 < dongs> heh no meausrements of anything in fastacq
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2015-05-19T20:05:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kTdLqsl.png and shitty cursors
2015-05-19T20:06:29 < _Sync_> yeah the FW on the scopes is not really pro
2015-05-19T20:06:31 < _Sync_> but pfft
2015-05-19T20:06:47 < _Sync_> you could decrease the timebase a lot
2015-05-19T20:06:53 < _Sync_> but yeah
2015-05-19T20:06:54 < _Sync_> sucks
2015-05-19T20:07:59 < dongs> looks prety regardless
2015-05-19T20:08:41 < _Sync_> I complained to Tek that the fucking position knob is mislabeled
2015-05-19T20:08:48 < _Sync_> it says push to center
2015-05-19T20:08:57 < _Sync_> which it only does in delay mode
2015-05-19T20:09:23 < dongs> position which? trigger?
2015-05-19T20:09:35 < _Sync_> yeah
2015-05-19T20:11:37 < dongs> it works here
2015-05-19T20:11:38 < dongs> i guess
2015-05-19T20:12:14 < dongs> at least every time i used it, it worked
2015-05-19T20:12:40 < dongs> instead of randomly scrolling triger level knob
2015-05-19T20:12:43 < dongs> just push it and its there.
2015-05-19T20:13:12 < _Sync_> no the horiz. position
2015-05-19T20:13:37 < dongs> my horizontal isnt clickable
2015-05-19T20:14:04 < _Sync_> oh
2015-05-19T20:15:04 < dongs> yotaphone2 on dickstarter
2015-05-19T20:15:08 < dongs> just to raise fundz for usa release
2015-05-19T20:15:19 < dongs> i'd buy it if I didnt already have too many phones
2015-05-19T20:15:29 < dongs> bedtime
2015-05-19T20:16:54 < englishman> $700
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2015-05-19T20:17:45 < englishman> comes with assdroid 4.4
2015-05-19T20:17:50 < englishman> such innovative wow
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2015-05-19T23:26:51 < kakimir> how about music spamming?
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2015-05-19T23:39:30 < Steffanx> are you ther bored mr kakimir?
2015-05-19T23:39:34 < Steffanx> *that
2015-05-19T23:40:49 < kakimir> I just like musics
2015-05-19T23:42:26 < kakimir> it's adventure
2015-05-19T23:43:36 < Steffanx> then try this: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6656157/025adaf0/finse_punk_op_esf15.html real finnish people
2015-05-19T23:46:14 < kakimir> I try to distract myself from that atm. Steffanx
2015-05-19T23:46:40 < Steffanx> hah, like you should
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2015-05-19T23:52:17 < kakimir> eurovision is weird.. countries from east and balkan you don't hear about ever
2015-05-19T23:52:55 < kakimir> and they have political relations so they vote 12points for each other no matter what their show are
2015-05-19T23:54:24 < kakimir> typically cliche ballad
2015-05-19T23:55:46 < kakimir> singed every year in their own languages
2015-05-19T23:57:00 < Steffanx> and countries like finnishland try to beat them with fancy acts :P
2015-05-19T23:57:57 < kakimir> i didn't watch it Steffanx
2015-05-19T23:58:07 < kakimir> I'm scared
2015-05-19T23:59:43 < kakimir> does any woman have beard this year?
2015-05-19T23:59:57 < Steffanx> dont know
--- Day changed Wed May 20 2015
2015-05-20T00:00:07 < kakimir> or was it man with beard looking like woman i don't remember
2015-05-20T00:00:16 < kakimir> wurst
2015-05-20T00:03:19 < kakimir> Steffanx: it's called freak show not fancy act.. other western countries do that fancy act thing
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2015-05-20T00:10:04 < kakimir> wow that was actually rough performance
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2015-05-20T00:55:16 < Laurenceb_> ooh apple tv has launched
2015-05-20T00:56:32 < Laurenceb_> info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_TV
2015-05-20T00:57:02 < kakimir> is apple still alive?
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2015-05-20T02:39:50 < karlp> Steffanx: what the fuck is this kutcookiewt.nl bullshit that you tried to link to?!
2015-05-20T02:41:30 < kakimir> you choose wrong button
2015-05-20T02:42:45 < karlp> I didn't press any fucking buttons in a language I can't read.
2015-05-20T02:42:51 < karlp> I opened the link he pasted
2015-05-20T02:43:17 < zyp> looks like it's opposition to that dumb cookie law
2015-05-20T02:43:27 < zyp> http://www.cookiesok.com/ <- one of the links links here
2015-05-20T02:43:48 < zyp> and I guess the other is just an «I accept that this site is using cookies»
2015-05-20T02:44:07 < karlp> yeah, web masters can go fuck themselves if they think it's ok to redirect to a whole othre domain. like that
2015-05-20T02:44:08 < zyp> or probably «this bunch of sites»
2015-05-20T02:44:40 < kakimir> dutch is horrible language
2015-05-20T02:44:46 < kakimir> writen and spoken
2015-05-20T02:44:51 < karlp> fucking sick of this monster desstruction of the web with "cookies are ok right? you'd better click on this fucking enormous shitstorm of popups forever now to agree that I can use them"
2015-05-20T02:45:20 < zyp> karlp, yeah, I think that's the point that site is trying to make too
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2015-05-20T02:45:55 < karlp> it might have been, but I can't read it, so I was asking steffan what he was realllly trying to link to
2015-05-20T02:46:03 < karlp> I'm guess it was sad faces that the finnish band didn't get through?
2015-05-20T02:46:14 < karlp> I think they deserved to at least get through to the final
2015-05-20T02:47:04 < zyp> a vid of some guy screaming on stage
2015-05-20T02:49:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Y0HOPL5GU youtube version
2015-05-20T02:53:46 < dongs> sup pros
2015-05-20T02:54:04 < karlp> thanks kakimir
2015-05-20T02:54:19 < karlp> our turn on thursday.
2015-05-20T02:57:09 < kakimir> oh there is 2 turns
2015-05-20T02:59:02 < dongs> hmm i can do 3840x1080 still with HDMI, so splitting into 2 1080p screens is also doable
2015-05-20T03:00:32 < kakimir> what color bits?
2015-05-20T03:00:58 < kakimir> what frequency?
2015-05-20T03:02:26 < kakimir> I think dongs has me in ignore
2015-05-20T03:03:23 < dongs> what, normal
2015-05-20T03:03:28 < dongs> rgb888 / 60hz
2015-05-20T03:07:40 < kakimir> 30bit colors are ok
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2015-05-20T03:16:03 < Thorn> hello
2015-05-20T03:16:08 < Thorn> is openvizsla dead?
2015-05-20T03:18:57 < dongs> i thikn they shipped
2015-05-20T03:19:04 < dongs> but it was obsolete on arrival
2015-05-20T03:21:53 < zyp> idk about obsolete, are there any competitors around?
2015-05-20T03:23:16 < zyp> I've received mine, but I haven't done anything with it but look at it and then put it back into the box
2015-05-20T03:23:40 < zyp> I might have cared more about it, if it weren't for the fact that I have access to a beagle
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2015-05-20T03:32:00 < dongs> do you have the FS or HS one?
2015-05-20T03:32:02 < dongs> (beagle)
2015-05-20T03:36:09 < zyp> HS
2015-05-20T03:37:02 < zyp> and I'm still only borrowing it :p
2015-05-20T03:37:22 < dongs> from the job you no longer have?
2015-05-20T03:37:28 < Thorn> what was this about https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/itic/professional-usb-20-ls-fs-hs-protocol-analyzer-mod
2015-05-20T03:37:39 < zyp> no, from a pal
2015-05-20T03:38:06 < dongs> im making 5 supercharger bars
2015-05-20T03:38:09 < zyp> Thorn, dunno, I don't think anybody tweeted it here
2015-05-20T03:38:14 < dongs> i did
2015-05-20T03:38:26 < zyp> tweet better
2015-05-20T03:39:02 < Thorn> >It took me about 4 years to complete the 1480A USB 2.0 LS/FS/HS Protocol Analyzer design.
2015-05-20T03:39:11 < dongs> pro designs take time
2015-05-20T03:40:12 < zyp> I've been wondering how hard it really is to build a fast LA
2015-05-20T03:41:09 < zyp> I mean, ram is cheap as fuck, can't I just slap a shit ton of ram and a fpga on a board?
2015-05-20T03:41:17 < dongs> team up with jadew and dickstart one
2015-05-20T03:41:23 < dongs> i'll pay for it
2015-05-20T03:42:06 < zyp> could just slap a couple of ddr3 slots or whatever on it
2015-05-20T03:42:27 < dongs> is that fast enough tho
2015-05-20T03:44:11 < Thorn> I've got an investor here who seems interested in funding and marketing a project. wondering if a usb analyzer is too complicated to tackle or too narrow a niche
2015-05-20T03:44:28 < dongs> too duimb
2015-05-20T03:44:32 < dongs> make him invest into something useful
2015-05-20T03:44:37 < dongs> like a fast logic analyzer
2015-05-20T03:44:40 < dongs> + cheap + good software
2015-05-20T03:44:44 < dongs> (sigrok is not an option)
2015-05-20T03:45:06 < zyp> dongs, a midrange ddr3 chip is 64-bit wide, 1600MT/s
2015-05-20T03:45:55 < zyp> idk how much overhead you'll have, but that should be plenty fast by a huge margin :p
2015-05-20T03:45:58 < dongs> why do people use sram then
2015-05-20T03:46:11 < dongs> there must be a catch
2015-05-20T03:46:13 < zyp> latency
2015-05-20T03:46:24 < Thorn> saleae seems to have some fast analyzers
2015-05-20T03:46:26 < zyp> but that doesn't matter for capture, capture is just a long sequential stream
2015-05-20T03:47:06 < zyp> the new ones looks a bit neat, but the channel count is still a bit low, and I think it still relies on streaming the data over usb
2015-05-20T03:47:23 < Thorn> yes, usb 3.0 I think
2015-05-20T03:48:36 < zyp> I'd like something that doesn't rely on there being usb bw available for streaming
2015-05-20T03:48:45 < zyp> but with a decent capture buffer
2015-05-20T03:49:27 < dongs> saleae has something with usb3 now?
2015-05-20T03:49:31 < dongs> isi t like $5000
2015-05-20T03:49:35 < zyp> it would be great if I could just throw a common cheap 8GB stick or whatever into a board and get 2GS for 32 channels
2015-05-20T03:49:39 < Thorn> minus one zero
2015-05-20T03:49:58 < karlp> throw a bit more money at sigrok sw wouldn't hurt.
2015-05-20T03:50:25 < dongs> but sigrlok = lunix filth
2015-05-20T03:50:28 < dongs> do they evne have windows builds?S?
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2015-05-20T03:50:57 < dongs> > or installing the WinUSB driver you can use the Zadig executable from the libwdi project. There are two versions, one for Windows XP (zadig_xp.exe), and another one for all other (Vista or higher) supported Windows versions (zadig.exe). Both 32 and 64 bit Windows versions are supported. The sigrok-cli and PulseView installers ship with both Zadig executable files for convenience (they're located in the installation directory of the respective application).
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2015-05-20T03:51:03 < dongs> stopped reading here
2015-05-20T03:51:04 < dongs> fuck anything that advocates zadig
2015-05-20T03:51:04 < zyp> I've got a sort of mixed opinion of sigrok
2015-05-20T03:51:34 < zyp> lots of stuff is very unfinished, especially pulseview
2015-05-20T03:51:36 < karlp> pulseview hasn't progressed at all in the last year or so, unfortunately.
2015-05-20T03:51:48 < zyp> but there's also some decent potential
2015-05-20T03:54:18 < zyp> also, every time I touch source code using glib, I'm remined of why I prefer C++ over C
2015-05-20T03:54:34 < dongs> i thought it was kde trash
2015-05-20T03:54:43 < dongs> sigrok
2015-05-20T03:55:13 < dongs> PulseView is a Qt based logic analyzer, oscilloscope and MSO GUI for sigrok.
2015-05-20T03:55:14 < dongs> yes
2015-05-20T03:55:17 < dongs> QT
2015-05-20T03:55:45 < zyp> do you rather prefer gtk?
2015-05-20T03:55:57 < dongs> i'd rather prefer no lunix filth to begin wiht
2015-05-20T03:56:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ztd0d34.jpg ready to dickstart
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2015-05-20T03:56:52 < zyp> haha wat
2015-05-20T03:57:02 < zyp> that looks kinda neat
2015-05-20T03:57:24 < ReadMobl> Lol you actually made it
2015-05-20T03:57:35 < dongs> ReadMobl: ... i said it was for work shit
2015-05-20T03:58:09 < zyp> what's the chip?
2015-05-20T03:58:27 < dongs> TPS2513A
2015-05-20T03:58:34 < zyp> esd protection?
2015-05-20T03:58:38 < dongs> no
2015-05-20T03:58:42 < dongs> DCP1.2 or whatever
2015-05-20T03:58:44 < dongs> usb charging shite
2015-05-20T03:58:56 < zyp> ooh, right
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2015-05-20T04:01:20 < zyp> also, is that a polyfuse on vbus?
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2015-05-20T04:01:29 < dongs> so now i just need to stack them with some plastic standoffs and run 14awg-ish copper through +/- and im done
2015-05-20T04:01:42 < dongs> zyp: yea, suggested by PeterM to avoid smoking the stack when something shorts
2015-05-20T04:02:07 < dongs> tehy were like 5c so whatever
2015-05-20T04:02:09 < zyp> I see datasheet suggests TPS2561A for current limiting
2015-05-20T04:02:15 < dongs> heh, i bet
2015-05-20T04:02:24 < dongs> but that one only went to 500mA iirc
2015-05-20T04:02:40 < zyp> 2.8A according to datasheet
2015-05-20T04:02:46 < karlp> what are you charging so many of that you need a stack of them?
2015-05-20T04:02:54 < karlp> you're not buttcoining are you?
2015-05-20T04:03:08 < zyp> charging all his ipads
2015-05-20T04:03:08 < dongs> haha buttcoin cmon
2015-05-20T04:03:10 < dongs> ^
2015-05-20T04:03:18 < zyp> that he's using to shoot videos
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2015-05-20T04:04:11 < dongs> zyp, status of dickstarting cheap fast LA
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2015-05-20T04:04:18 < dongs> dickstart first, prototype product later
2015-05-20T04:04:23 < zyp> haha
2015-05-20T04:04:24 < dongs> deliver 2 years late
2015-05-20T04:04:35 < dongs> still bettter than 90% of dickstarters out there
2015-05-20T04:04:39 < Thorn> what would you use a 2GS logic analyzer for? some kind of differential/LVDS busses?
2015-05-20T04:04:50 < dongs> just looking at them bits
2015-05-20T04:04:54 < dongs> at high speed
2015-05-20T04:04:55 < zyp> 2GS sample depth, not 2GSPS
2015-05-20T04:05:58 < zyp> useful for capturing ten seconds at 200MHz, for instance
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2015-05-20T04:07:04 < zyp> and 200MHz is not that fast of a sample rate, when you consider that you need to sample a few times faster than the signal rate of whatever you're looking at
2015-05-20T04:07:28 < dongs> yeah
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2015-05-20T04:07:41 < dongs> ive hit 200mhz limit on my junk enough times
2015-05-20T04:07:51 < dongs> where i'm measuring something >100mhz and it looks shit
2015-05-20T04:07:54 < dongs> and missing pulses
2015-05-20T04:08:33 < zyp> anyway, it's the sample depth that needs real improvement
2015-05-20T04:08:43 < dongs> right
2015-05-20T04:08:46 < dongs> cuz shitty sram junk
2015-05-20T04:08:57 < zyp> isn't it like 18M on the one you have?
2015-05-20T04:09:01 < dongs> yes
2015-05-20T04:09:04 < dongs> with 72m? max
2015-05-20T04:09:07 < zyp> yes
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2015-05-20T04:18:18 < Thorn> looks like you can use ddr2/3 dimms with a cyclone V https://www.altera.com/en_US/pdfs/literature/hb/external-memory/emi_plan_board_dual_ddr2.pdf
2015-05-20T04:18:42 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bYdSwga.jpg zyp spotted
2015-05-20T04:18:50 < dongs> Thorn: um of course you can
2015-05-20T04:20:11 < dongs> Gary: Natural Intelligence, Microsoft and amdocs are looking for candidates like you.
2015-05-20T04:20:22 < dongs> Software Architect-TED
2015-05-20T04:20:22 < dongs> Microsoft
2015-05-20T04:20:23 < dongs> Israel
2015-05-20T04:20:24 < zyp> yeah, I believe there's a bunch of fpga devboards around with dimm slots
2015-05-20T04:20:32 < zyp> so I might pick one up and prototype it some time
2015-05-20T04:20:33 < dongs> microsoft israel is lookin for jobs
2015-05-20T04:20:56 < zyp> dongs, so kawaii
2015-05-20T04:21:08 < dongs> ^_^
2015-05-20T04:23:23 < zyp> hmm, wonder how fast/wide the memory controller in the zynq is
2015-05-20T04:23:44 < dongs> zynq = lannex
2015-05-20T04:23:49 < dongs> fail on arrival
2015-05-20T04:25:18 < zyp> overview says ddr2/ddr3, so if it can do 64-bit wide, just slap a dimm socket on it
2015-05-20T04:26:05 < zyp> then just make some simple logic to grab data and feed it into the system memory, and some software for the arm to grab it out and feed it over gige or whatever
2015-05-20T04:26:15 < dongs> so tehse bga lpc1768s i got as s amples before were some kinda custom die/job
2015-05-20T04:26:20 < dongs> they have extra marking on the bottom
2015-05-20T04:26:21 < zyp> shame it doesn't have usb3
2015-05-20T04:26:23 < dongs> and they didnt work
2015-05-20T04:26:38 < zyp> nice
2015-05-20T04:26:45 < zyp> scammed by china
2015-05-20T04:26:55 < dongs> not rly scammed, but lots of time wasted yes
2015-05-20T04:27:06 < dongs> i wonder where teh fuck that shit came from
2015-05-20T04:27:14 < dongs> NXP can probably customize stuff for customers?
2015-05-20T04:27:17 < zyp> well, if they didn't work, how do you even know it was lpc1768 in there? :p
2015-05-20T04:27:24 < dongs> well, it ansawered jtag ID
2015-05-20T04:27:30 < dongs> but you couldnt flash shit into it
2015-05-20T04:27:33 < dongs> or do anything
2015-05-20T04:27:34 < dongs> lolo
2015-05-20T04:27:45 < dongs> and no it wasnt ROP protected etc
2015-05-20T04:29:21 < dongs> The LPC176x devices typically have the following top-side marking:
2015-05-20T04:29:21 < dongs> LPC176xxxx \n xxxxxxx \n xxYYWWR[x]
2015-05-20T04:29:28 < dongs> the chinashit i have has 4 rows
2015-05-20T04:29:36 < dongs> last row being 1700PV06-MPW_X
2015-05-20T04:30:16 < dongs> http://www.mpwservices.com/custom_innovations
2015-05-20T04:30:20 < dongs> maybe these guys?
2015-05-20T04:30:40 < dongs> custom vacuum cleaner SoC
2015-05-20T04:32:05 < zyp> haha
2015-05-20T04:35:08 < dongs> doing custom innovations
2015-05-20T04:35:18 < dongs> R2COM: I got some switcher issues
2015-05-20T04:35:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kTdLqsl.png http://i.imgur.com/yOrLRZl.png http://i.imgur.com/B999c9Q.png
2015-05-20T04:35:56 < dongs> B999 = 1.2 & 3.3V output noise
2015-05-20T04:36:07 < dongs> first 2  = input 5V noise
2015-05-20T04:37:08 < dongs> ya
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2015-05-20T04:37:24 < dongs> quality american stuff
2015-05-20T04:37:29 < dongs> NCP1532
2015-05-20T04:37:38 < dongs> load = low, ~200mA @ 5V
2015-05-20T04:38:30 < dongs> 10uF 0603 on input
2015-05-20T04:38:52 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-20T04:39:03 < dongs> pssh some samsung shit
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2015-05-20T04:39:51 < dongs> CL10A106MQ8NNNC
2015-05-20T04:39:54 < dongs> haha no
2015-05-20T04:39:57 < dongs> 6.3
2015-05-20T04:40:24 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CL10A106MQ8NNNC/1276-1119-1-ND/3889205
2015-05-20T04:40:40 < dongs> i think im gonna start by soldering a bunch of htem on top
2015-05-20T04:40:41 < dongs> of each other
2015-05-20T04:40:48 < dongs> that should fix it right
2015-05-20T04:42:18 < dongs> just normal capture. and i tried both long gnd lead and short test clip, its ~same
2015-05-20T04:42:34 < dongs> should be dc
2015-05-20T04:43:13 < dongs> no and no
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2015-05-20T04:43:45 < dongs> mm, that characteristics pdf on samsung cap looks nice
2015-05-20T04:44:00 < dongs> so -60% @ 5V....
2015-05-20T04:44:04 < dongs> its gonna be like 4uF?
2015-05-20T04:44:15 < dongs> awesome
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2015-05-20T04:46:44 < dongs> are tehre 16V 0805 22uF?
2015-05-20T04:48:08 < dongs> I got my form in the email and I am excited to get my Zano flying but do we have an ETA on the arrival of our aerial selfie sticks?
2015-05-20T04:50:17 < dongs> haha
2015-05-20T04:50:21 < dongs> so it'll be 10uF at 5V
2015-05-20T04:50:55 < dongs> why do i need 22uF mlcc and xxuF tant
2015-05-20T04:51:00 < dongs> cant i just have a tant on there to start with
2015-05-20T04:51:24 < dongs> 10gbe cards are here
2015-05-20T04:54:34 < zyp> dongs, nice, let me know how they work for you
2015-05-20T04:54:39 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181712225405
2015-05-20T04:55:01 < zyp> I assume you're going to be using then with windows? :p
2015-05-20T04:55:08 < dongs> zyp, of course
2015-05-20T04:55:22 < dongs> i doubt they have lunix drivers
2015-05-20T04:55:31 < zyp> haha
2015-05-20T04:55:42 < dongs> R2COM: why not?
2015-05-20T04:55:45 < dongs> not in lunix, probly
2015-05-20T04:56:18 < dongs> shrug
2015-05-20T04:56:23 < dongs> ohh
2015-05-20T04:56:25 < dongs> my K1200 just arrived too
2015-05-20T04:56:29 < zyp> the ones I bought before had fairly good driver support for anything
2015-05-20T04:56:36 < zyp> I mean, they even work in OS X
2015-05-20T04:57:35 < zyp> R2COM, it's used
2015-05-20T04:58:05 < zyp> it's probably being thrown out in favor of 40gbe or 100gbe
2015-05-20T04:58:14 < zyp> 10gbe is already outdated in modern datacenters
2015-05-20T04:59:18 < zyp> have you seen my rack?
2015-05-20T04:59:21 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/nmouc.JPG :D
2015-05-20T05:00:07 < zyp> porn
2015-05-20T05:00:57 < zyp> I mean, it doesn't really run much, it's mostly just storage
2015-05-20T05:01:33 < zyp> there's also a couple of VMs there, one containing the xilinx toolchain, that's an fpga buildserver
2015-05-20T05:01:55 < englishman> are tehre any dlink routers with 40gbe
2015-05-20T05:02:05 < englishman> running dd-wrt
2015-05-20T05:02:07 < zyp> R2COM, uh, that's infiniband, not ethernet
2015-05-20T05:03:05 < zyp> englishman, haven't seen any, but there's a bunch of cheap-ish stuff that has a couple of 10gbe ports
2015-05-20T05:03:26 < englishman> i was trolling but thats neat
2015-05-20T05:04:25 < zyp> mikrotik has a couple of routerboard devices like that
2015-05-20T05:05:04 < dongs> < englishman> running dd-wrt
2015-05-20T05:05:07 < dongs> that was the joke
2015-05-20T05:05:11 < zyp> http://routerboard.com/CRS210-8G-2SplusIN <- I considered buying this, because it's the only fanless switch I've seen with 10gbe ports
2015-05-20T05:05:13 < englishman> yes
2015-05-20T05:05:58 < zyp> just so I don't have to run cables for both 10gbe and 1gbe into the server closet because that's where the noisy 10gbe switch is
2015-05-20T05:07:16 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-05-20T05:07:30 < dongs> your nvidia quadro k1200 purchase qualifies you to receive a bonus PNY CS1111 120GB ssd
2015-05-20T05:07:43 < dongs> fill the shit below tyo receive your ssd at no additional cost
2015-05-20T05:07:46 < dongs> i'm down for that!
2015-05-20T05:07:48 < zyp> haha, wat
2015-05-20T05:08:00 < zyp> how much did you pay for the k1200?
2015-05-20T05:08:08 < dongs> um 350bux or something
2015-05-20T05:08:09 < dongs> newegg
2015-05-20T05:08:47 < zyp> and that's a card capable of running 4x4k?
2015-05-20T05:08:56 < dongs> ya
2015-05-20T05:09:03 < zyp> neat
2015-05-20T05:09:17 < dongs> 4x 4k MST, also
2015-05-20T05:09:19 < englishman> what are the old ones youre getting rid of
2015-05-20T05:09:22 < dongs> tho im gonna swap my MST trash for SSD
2015-05-20T05:09:25 < dongs> er SST
2015-05-20T05:09:33 < englishman> is w4200 ok for gfx at all, like can i play freespace 2
2015-05-20T05:09:38 < dongs> NVS510 x3 and W4100
2015-05-20T05:10:00 < dongs> time to run drivercleaner to wipe AMD shit
2015-05-20T05:11:41 < englishman> whats wrong with the nvs510 again
2015-05-20T05:11:50 < dongs> max 2 4k screens w/mst
2015-05-20T05:12:03 < englishman> so 2 cablez for 4 screenz
2015-05-20T05:12:24 < dongs> max 4 sc=reens by driver/hardware/wahtever limitations
2015-05-20T05:12:29 < dongs> and each mst counst as 2
2015-05-20T05:12:32 < englishman> that doesnt sound as shitty as you made it out to be
2015-05-20T05:13:45 < dongs> was closing windows
2015-05-20T05:13:49 < dongs> i had liek 20 c alc.exe's running
2015-05-20T05:14:13 < zyp> heh
2015-05-20T05:14:42 < dongs> 22uF 0805 16V is CL21A226MOFNNNE
2015-05-20T05:14:48 < dongs> cant even find non-china links for it
2015-05-20T05:14:53 < dongs> ah, samsung also
2015-05-20T05:17:39 < dongs> k time to put this junk in
2015-05-20T05:17:42 < dongs> bbl
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2015-05-20T05:44:23 < dongs> whoa
2015-05-20T05:44:29 < dongs> K1200 can rotate MST screens
2015-05-20T05:44:33 < dongs> portrait/landscape
2015-05-20T05:44:41 < zyp> congratulations
2015-05-20T05:46:35 < dongs> only problem is
2015-05-20T05:46:41 < dongs> the shit only shipped with a fucking lowprofile bracket
2015-05-20T05:46:50 < zyp> haha
2015-05-20T05:50:14 < dongs> where the fuck do i actually get one
2015-05-20T05:51:38 < zyp> if you bought it new and it didn't come with both, it's probably only made with lowprofile
2015-05-20T05:51:58 < dongs> correct
2015-05-20T05:52:06 < zyp> and yes, that sounds extremely dumb
2015-05-20T05:56:09 < zyp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231539225829 <- suspect this might fit
2015-05-20T05:57:04 < zyp> I mean, if you already have NVS510, you can just check that
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2015-05-20T05:57:42 < dongs> hmm, if its NV that might actually be not a bad idea
2015-05-20T05:57:56 < dongs> they probly copypasted reference design and hopefully htey'ert aligned
2015-05-20T05:58:05 < dongs> i checked wiht AMD i pulled out and the holes were about 2mm offset
2015-05-20T05:58:05 < dongs> haha
2015-05-20T05:58:18 < dongs> except... those cards are at my other trash office
2015-05-20T05:58:55 < zyp> so just remove the bracket and run without for now :p
2015-05-20T06:01:53 < dongs> rage
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2015-05-20T06:27:29 < dongs> 3
2015-05-20T06:28:05 < dongs> ya
2015-05-20T06:29:20 < dongs> only if you play fullscreen??
2015-05-20T06:38:04 < dongs> lol
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2015-05-20T06:42:27 < dongs> no i sort by price
2015-05-20T06:42:29 < dongs> and get cheapest
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2015-05-20T06:53:37 < englishman> dongs how much for used jap nvs510
2015-05-20T06:53:43 < englishman> i can pay you in fureai kippu
2015-05-20T06:58:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, i like how newegg's photo of your video card has a VERY loose screw on the DVI connector
2015-05-20T07:06:53 < PeterM> upgrdman, so many pictures of pcbs from MFG hand bent pins and shit, i am always surprised.
2015-05-20T07:07:02 < PeterM> have*\
2015-05-20T07:07:39 < PeterM> dongs is dp not connected on like half the ports here http://i.imgur.com/Ztd0d34.jpg?
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2015-05-20T07:09:57 < dongs> bottom lo
2015-05-20T07:11:50 < PeterM> could have easily routed entire thing on one side zzz
2015-05-20T07:12:08 < PeterM> unnessecarily uglu too
2015-05-20T07:12:35 < PeterM> unnecessarily ugly
2015-05-20T07:21:20 < dongs> trash
2015-05-20T07:21:26 < dongs> like 100 extra pixels for 10x price
2015-05-20T07:21:28 < dongs> who cares
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2015-05-20T08:14:20 < upgrdman> 8K or GTFO
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2015-05-20T08:23:40 < baird> Luckily for me, Hackaday won't use Twitter links-- made an F5 footswitch for teh lulz .. https://twitter.com/Chris_J_Baird/status/600892377906159616
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2015-05-20T08:31:16 < upgrdman> nice
2015-05-20T08:31:23 < upgrdman> what does f5 do?
2015-05-20T08:35:10 < jpa-> executes program in visual basic, of course
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2015-05-20T09:06:15 < baird> Silly me, Hackaday would've only touched it if included a $30 hobbyist mcu doing software usb.  Maybe if I pushed the ghetto-keyboard-from-a-dumpster angle, and appealed to some kind of Hipster chic.
2015-05-20T09:07:32 < jpa-> why would you care about hackaday touching it?
2015-05-20T09:09:14 < baird> It would implicate me into its Internet Degeneracy.   And they'd pull in about $45,000 in advertmonies from a posting about fucking stupid idea
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2015-05-20T09:11:13 < baird> Clickbaitaday.com
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2015-05-20T09:15:05 < jpa-> baird: how is having more content on the internet degenerating it?
2015-05-20T09:15:17 < dongs> more worthless contente
2015-05-20T09:15:45 < jpa-> it's not like the worthy content is any less or harder to find than it ever was - just the opposite
2015-05-20T09:16:34 < jpa-> in 90s on most topics you could find only mirrors of crappy usenet FAQs
2015-05-20T09:23:27 < baird> And in the 10s, we have leading niche media reposting the same shit on a regular cycle.
2015-05-20T09:23:49 < baird> HAY GUISE ANOTHER 6502 PROJEKT!
2015-05-20T09:25:54 < jpa-> meh, reading through a few rows of fluff is not bad to pick up the interesting ones
2015-05-20T09:26:20 < jpa-> in any expanding niche, there will always much more newbies than people at your particular level
2015-05-20T09:26:25 < jpa-> no matter what is your particular level.
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2015-05-20T09:29:47 < baird> All those 'newbies' always seem to be 40+ year olds.. HEY I DISCOVERED HOW COOL THIS ELECTRONICS STUFF IS! ... OH, SORRY FOR IGNORING FOR 30 YEARS!  MORE SOLDERING TUTORIALS PLZ.
2015-05-20T09:32:56 < jpa-> uh what, in your opinion people shouldn't learn new stuff at 40 years old?
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2015-05-20T09:33:28 < jpa-> truth is that learning electronics is a lot easier and cheaper now than e.g. 20 years ago, so of course there are more people getting into the hobby now
2015-05-20T09:37:10 < baird> Filthy Casuals. Back in my day, I /walked/ to the local library and read their Electronics Today International and Electronics Australia magazines.
2015-05-20T09:38:32 < jpa-> most of those magazines were quite crappy also
2015-05-20T09:39:03 < jpa-> but are you now angry that things have become better?
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2015-05-20T09:43:12 < baird> ETI Australia was awesome-- staffers did things like DIY Hayes-compat modems, will full artwork & etc. all there for copying onto boards. A good mix of begin/intermed/advanced projects. 'Silicon Chip' hardly compares.
2015-05-20T09:44:25 < baird> Unfortunately, it and EA died off when Australia's indigenous electronics industry collapsed.
2015-05-20T09:44:38 < jpa-> i never found much interest in those kind of "copy this design to make it yourself" projects
2015-05-20T09:44:50 < jpa-> if i want something predesigned, i can just buy it
2015-05-20T09:48:02 < baird> The Essential tool for every 21st Century Hacker: a credit card...
2015-05-20T09:49:24 < jpa-> also when i do something predesigned, i do not call myself "hacker", "maker" or even "hobbyist"
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2015-05-20T09:49:41 < jpa-> well maybe hobbyist in the sense that constructing premade kits is also a hobby
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2015-05-20T09:54:54 < baird> The ETI articles at least were 80% explaining how the things worked, hardly rote building instructions. You'd learn how to do your own things from them. I especially like the microprocessor projects for that reason.
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2015-05-20T09:59:29 < jpa-> of course, that's the point of any build log
2015-05-20T09:59:42 < jpa-> and often very well accomplished by many hackaday posts also
2015-05-20T10:01:21 < stukdev> About stm32f4, is there a way to enable default bootloader whitour using boot0 pin?
2015-05-20T10:02:09 < dongs> ?
2015-05-20T10:02:12 < dongs> you mean jump to it?
2015-05-20T10:02:19 < dongs> you can jump to it from usercode, sure
2015-05-20T10:02:28 < stukdev> dongs: yes,
2015-05-20T10:02:28 < baird> You're full of shit. You can usually follow what the bloggers are doing, but in general they don't do a good job of explaining how things work.
2015-05-20T10:02:30 < dongs> if your code is already running
2015-05-20T10:02:54 < jpa-> baird: yeah, they are not paid-for journalists; that's part of the reason why you don't have to pay to read that stuff
2015-05-20T10:03:09 < jpa-> it's also a learning experience for the writers
2015-05-20T10:03:27 < stukdev> dongs: oh, perfect, i  simply jump to address 0x1FFF0000 and after use dfu utility?
2015-05-20T10:04:40 < jpa-> stukdev: yeah; but if you implement your flashing that way, there will be no way to recover from failed firmware
2015-05-20T10:05:12 < dongs> stukdev: whatever bootlaoder memory is, and you might wanna stop all interrupts and shit beforehand
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2015-05-20T10:05:26 < stukdev> jpa-: mmm so what can be the best pattern to use the default bootloader?
2015-05-20T10:05:37 < jpa-> stukdev: a hardware button on boot0
2015-05-20T10:05:39 < dongs> jumper/btton on board to short
2015-05-20T10:06:07 < stukdev> jpa-: mmm this is not the same as jumo to that address?
2015-05-20T10:06:11 < stukdev> jump*
2015-05-20T10:06:13 < dongs> ?
2015-05-20T10:06:19 < dongs> > hardware button
2015-05-20T10:06:23 < dongs> it samples it at boot
2015-05-20T10:06:31 < dongs> before anything runs
2015-05-20T10:06:32 < jpa-> stukdev: no, because having boot0 set on reset will take you to the bootloader no matter how crashed up your firmware is
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2015-05-20T10:07:27 < stukdev> jpa-: mmm becouse the board will setup in a box, is not simply for user access to that button...
2015-05-20T10:07:45 < jpa-> is the user supposed to upgrade firmware?
2015-05-20T10:08:01 < stukdev> jpa-: yes/no :D
2015-05-20T10:08:17 < jpa-> is the usb used for other stuff than just upgrading firmware?
2015-05-20T10:08:27 < stukdev> jpa-: yes
2015-05-20T10:08:36 < jpa-> you could put a fet so that if usb is connected on boot, then it goes to bootloader
2015-05-20T10:08:49 < dongs> vusb?
2015-05-20T10:08:53 < stukdev> dongs: yes
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2015-05-20T10:09:06 < jpa-> vusb??
2015-05-20T10:09:15 < stukdev> virtual com port
2015-05-20T10:09:24 < dongs> jpa-: i mean, fet on what, vusb or something?
2015-05-20T10:09:47 < dongs> if the unit is powered by usb only thats kinda a boner
2015-05-20T10:10:18 < jpa-> ah, yeah, vbus
2015-05-20T10:10:28 < jpa-> yeah, it depends on device of course
2015-05-20T10:11:00 < stukdev> so, for summary: 1) turn on the board with boot0 pn , this go to booloader mode (is there a way to understand that board in on bootloader? 2) jumo to bootloader address
2015-05-20T10:11:01 < jpa-> for a moment i though you meant "vusb" as in the avr crap
2015-05-20T10:11:25 < jpa-> stukdev: does the device have any accessible buttons?
2015-05-20T10:11:38 < stukdev> jpa-: not at moment
2015-05-20T10:12:09 < jpa-> yeah; then you are somewhat out of luck with trying to make reliable firmware upgrade with the built-in bootloader
2015-05-20T10:12:26 < dongs> you can't tell taht ROM bootloader is running
2015-05-20T10:12:30 < jpa-> you could mess with watchdog or similar to implement recovery
2015-05-20T10:12:34 < dongs> on my shit, I turn on leds before userspace jumps to BL, that works
2015-05-20T10:12:41 < dongs> but if you start in BL, of course tehre's no way to contorl anything
2015-05-20T10:12:56 < jpa-> yeah, only way to indicate bootloader is to have something activate when the processor pins are high-z
2015-05-20T10:13:08 < jpa-> like a fet + led with pull-up that puts it on, then your code turns it off
2015-05-20T10:13:08 < stukdev> jpa-: high-z?
2015-05-20T10:13:17 < dongs> thats a cool idea
2015-05-20T10:13:18 < jpa-> input, not connected, whatever
2015-05-20T10:13:23 < dongs> it'l probly momentarily flicker
2015-05-20T10:13:25 < dongs> as shit boots tho
2015-05-20T10:13:26 < dongs> huhu
2015-05-20T10:13:53 < jpa-> in my case i indicate it by having the LCD screen display crap as it doesn't get initialized :)
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2015-05-20T10:15:19 < stukdev> jpa-: mmm otherwise the only problem is if i failed to write program with jump to address, i can't reflash without using boot0
2015-05-20T10:16:25 < jpa-> stukdev: or the power was cut between "erase" and "flash", or windows crashed, or the firmware crashes before jump
2015-05-20T10:17:49 < stukdev> jpa-: sure, if the firmware is not complete, than its fails to go to boot. Maybe a possibility is to used twice, a jump with usb software, and if its break a button inside board
2015-05-20T10:19:24 < jpa-> yeah, it is a reasonable tradeoff
2015-05-20T10:19:40 < jpa-> the risk depends on number of devices and how often the firmware gets upgraded
2015-05-20T10:19:59 < jpa-> but just remember that in general people are not happy if their device becomes a brick
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2015-05-20T10:23:13 < stukdev> jpa-: sure but here the problem is not the brick, is if he can't reflash device :) becouse brick can occours whit boot0 :)
2015-05-20T10:24:08 < jpa-> well, usually it is not considered a brick if repeating the exactly same thing fixes it   "i pressed this button to flash, it went wrong; now i press it again and now it works"
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2015-05-20T10:25:10 < jpa-> instead of "i ran this program to flash; now nothing works and i do not know about any secret buttons inside the device"
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2015-05-20T11:04:14 < stukdev> jpa-: sure, but the boot0 have to press while the sw is flashing or only at startup?
2015-05-20T11:04:57 < jpa-> only at reset
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2015-05-20T11:37:50 < stukdev> jpa-: good, and is there some doc api to create custom application that send data with dfu mode?
2015-05-20T11:38:47 < jpa-> what?
2015-05-20T11:38:54 < jpa-> ah, programmer app?
2015-05-20T11:38:58 < stukdev> jpa-: yes
2015-05-20T11:38:59 < jpa-> st has some libraries for windows
2015-05-20T11:39:14 < jpa-> the dfu protocol is also documented somewhere, and there are some open source apps
2015-05-20T11:39:52 < jpa-> i have used the st's windows libraries with C#.. they work fine, most annoying part is driver installation on windows (many of my users have systems without internet so windows update doesn't get them automatically)
2015-05-20T11:40:24 < stukdev> jpa-: sure, the main app is c# app
2015-05-20T11:40:39 < stukdev> jpa-: driver installation for what?
2015-05-20T11:40:43 < jpa-> for dfu
2015-05-20T11:40:59 < stukdev> jpa-: oh, need dfu driver? i don't know that
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2015-05-20T11:41:32 < stukdev> jpa-: but maybe can be attach to the main application?
2015-05-20T11:41:48 < stukdev> jpa-:  i mean a folder that contain driver for dfu
2015-05-20T11:42:37 < jpa-> yes
2015-05-20T11:42:39 < jpa-> that's what i do
2015-05-20T11:42:46 < stukdev> ok, perfect
2015-05-20T11:42:49 < jpa-> and then call the funny windows apis for driver installation
2015-05-20T11:42:58 < jpa-> anyway, took better part of a week to make that upgrade app
2015-05-20T11:43:15 < jpa-> and unfortunately no, i cannot open-source it :P
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2015-05-20T12:03:12 < dongs> screen shot?
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2015-05-20T12:07:33 < stukdev> jpa-: i think user is able to install driver :)
2015-05-20T12:10:50 < stukdev> in a dfu file is possible set bitlock for protect the cpu from reading?
2015-05-20T12:12:57 < jpa-> yes, but it would be useless
2015-05-20T12:13:02 < jpa-> the dfu protocol is not encrypted
2015-05-20T12:13:13 < jpa-> it is trivial to grab the firmware using an usb analyzer
2015-05-20T12:13:35 < jpa-> if you want encrypted firmwares, you need to use a custom bootloader
2015-05-20T12:14:20 < stukdev> jpa-: sure but i mean, a dfu file contain that lock bit or is separate file?
2015-05-20T12:15:27 < jpa-> who cares?
2015-05-20T12:15:31 < jpa-> you can check yourself
2015-05-20T12:15:48 < jpa-> the manual is not there just for fun
2015-05-20T12:15:52 < stukdev> now i read about a dialog in dFuseDemo that where user can set user lock, but i don't understand if this can be applied to the dfu file or not
2015-05-20T12:16:25 < jpa-> why would you use the st's own dfu file format anyway?
2015-05-20T12:16:43 < jpa-> you'll need separate conversion step from .bin and there are not much advantages
2015-05-20T12:19:44 < stukdev> jpa-: becouse i read using usb dfu, i need dfu file :)
2015-05-20T12:19:53 < Laurenceb__> dont olimex have tool for this?
2015-05-20T12:19:57 < Laurenceb__> im sure ive used it
2015-05-20T12:20:30 < jpa-> stukdev: you want to use the st's premade program instead of your own?
2015-05-20T12:21:49 < jpa-> might as well use dfu-util or similar command line program at that point, less confusing than the ST gui
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2015-05-20T12:22:57 < stukdev> jpa-: now, i'm trying understand all the functionalitty
2015-05-20T12:23:11 < jpa-> why?
2015-05-20T12:23:22 < jpa-> and why is it our job to understand it for you?
2015-05-20T12:25:14 < stukdev> stukdev: why understand? becouse we need use it :D what question is this?!
2015-05-20T12:26:07 < stukdev> jpa-: if i can set lock bit, i can send dfu file to user, and user can use st, or another app for flashing, otherwise i need to set that lock bit, or change bootloader
2015-05-20T12:26:49 < jpa-> so see if you can do that, if you can't you can't, that's the answer; why bother us by asking?
2015-05-20T12:27:00 < jpa-> but if you are sending firmware around, why do you need to protect against reading?
2015-05-20T12:27:02 < jpa-> it's no use
2015-05-20T12:29:21 < stukdev> jpa-: ok, i understand i've to try it thnaks
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2015-05-20T14:32:01 < zyp> looks like my 10gbe cards also arrived today
2015-05-20T14:32:24 < zyp> I got a message they've been dropped off in my mailbox, so I guess I just have to go outside to get them :p
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2015-05-20T14:35:01 < englishman> norway in june, put on your jacket and strap on your skis
2015-05-20T14:36:04 < zyp> right now it's more like «put on pants», I just got up from bed
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2015-05-20T14:50:39 < karlp> unemployed bum
2015-05-20T14:50:52 < karlp> up all night drinking and celebrating with the eurovision faghags
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2015-05-20T14:53:09 < jpa-> in finland we have temperatures above zero now
2015-05-20T14:53:16 < jpa-> yay summertime
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2015-05-20T15:11:19 < Laurenceb__> wtf  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-32801974
2015-05-20T15:11:33 < Laurenceb__> i take a bus to work that can easily do 126mph
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2015-05-20T15:44:00 < Lux> englishman: it's snowing here :P
2015-05-20T15:44:12 < Lux> at leat at >1000m asl
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2015-05-20T15:44:14 < englishman> Lux: well thats a side effect of living at 9000ft
2015-05-20T15:44:52 < Lux> i live at around 600m
2015-05-20T15:45:29 < Lux> 9000ft would be on top of some mountain ^^
2015-05-20T15:48:20 < englishman> last week at 9000ft it was still 10C http://i.imgur.com/vgv4JL9.jpg
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2015-05-20T15:49:41 < Lux> nice
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2015-05-20T16:12:36 < Rickta59> i'm looking at the schematics for the stlink connections on a nucleo board
2015-05-20T16:12:58 < Rickta59> i thought they had 22R inline resistors but looking again i'm not sure
2015-05-20T16:13:14 < Rickta59> is anyone familiar with the proper resistors for the SWDCLK and SWDIO pins?
2015-05-20T16:13:32 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/download/file.php?id=48 there is a picture of a portion of the schematic
2015-05-20T16:13:51 < Rickta59> * the php link is really a png
2015-05-20T16:14:56 < Rickta59> it seems like when you connect the jumper between SB8 and SB10 .. that becomes a 22R pulldown
2015-05-20T16:15:08 < Rickta59> and for SB4 SB6 a 22R pullup
2015-05-20T16:15:15 < Rickta59> but that doesn't sound right
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2015-05-20T16:19:47 < Rickta59> ah .. nm .. sb8 is open
2015-05-20T16:24:20 < jpa-> Rickta59: there should be no need to have any resistors on swdclk/sdwio on the processor board
2015-05-20T16:24:27 < jpa-> the programmer device has some pull-ups IIRC
2015-05-20T16:24:44 < Rickta59> yeah this isn't about the board
2015-05-20T16:24:52 < jpa-> what is it about?
2015-05-20T16:24:57 < Rickta59> i was building a bmp clone
2015-05-20T16:25:02 < Rickta59> so i am the programmer
2015-05-20T16:25:06 < jpa-> ah
2015-05-20T16:25:13 < Rickta59> so it should have pull ups?
2015-05-20T16:25:15 < jpa-> what does the original bmp use?
2015-05-20T16:25:23 < Rickta59> it doesn't show any
2015-05-20T16:25:35 < jpa-> then you don't need any, i would say
2015-05-20T16:25:46 < Rickta59> when i don't have anything .. it won't connect
2015-05-20T16:25:57 < Rickta59> when i put scope probe on there it started working
2015-05-20T16:26:07 < Rickta59> take the probe away .. no workee
2015-05-20T16:26:12 < Rickta59> so i figure it needs something
2015-05-20T16:27:27 < jpa-> what are you driving it from?
2015-05-20T16:27:38 < Rickta59> driving what?
2015-05-20T16:27:47 < jpa-> or is it just a straightforward bmp clone? ie just own pcb, same firmware?
2015-05-20T16:27:57 < jpa-> sounds like a signal integrity issue anyway
2015-05-20T16:27:59 < Rickta59> just a clone board from ebay
2015-05-20T16:28:07 < Rickta59> stm32f103c8t6
2015-05-20T16:28:19 < Rickta59> firmware is from the github
2015-05-20T16:28:26 < Rickta59> modified to work with this board
2015-05-20T16:28:50 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=122
2015-05-20T16:29:42 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321569700934 that board
2015-05-20T16:29:46 < jpa-> stlinkv1 on stm32f1 discovery has 22R series resistors, probably to avoid reflections
2015-05-20T16:30:15 < jpa-> might not be a bad idea, even though pretty much the same can be done with the configurable drive strength on the cpu
2015-05-20T16:30:32 < Rickta59> i do have the pins set at 50MHz ..
2015-05-20T16:30:45 < Rickta59> hmm
2015-05-20T16:30:49 < jpa-> did you put the resistors said in that post?
2015-05-20T16:30:59 < Rickta59> yeah
2015-05-20T16:31:31 < Rickta59> and i started with the stlink platform ..
2015-05-20T16:31:39 < Rickta59> so that would make sense if they have the resistor on there
2015-05-20T16:32:22 < Rickta59> although looking at the code .. the native one also uses 50MHZ
2015-05-20T16:32:45 < Rickta59> i am on a breadboard so that is probably causing issues
2015-05-20T16:33:10 < Rickta59> i should pop it off there and try without
2015-05-20T16:33:22 < qyx_> 15:25 < Rickta59> when i put scope probe on there it started working
2015-05-20T16:33:27 < qyx_> what about gnd connection?
2015-05-20T16:33:50 < Rickta59> i have it ground connected between the bmp board and the target
2015-05-20T16:33:56 < Rickta59> 100mm wire
2015-05-20T16:34:01 < kakimir> soldering station died
2015-05-20T16:34:05 < jpa-> i have seen long wires (30cm or so) cause trouble for the discovery board programmer also
2015-05-20T16:34:08 < qyx_> you mean gnd connected to the scope, no probe - not working, probe - working?
2015-05-20T16:34:34 < Rickta59> the gnd for the scope was connected to both to the bmp board
2015-05-20T16:34:42 < Rickta59> the gnd for the scope was connected to the gnd to the bmp board
2015-05-20T16:35:08 < qyx_> i am asking if the probe gnd connections has any influence on that
2015-05-20T16:35:28 < Rickta59> hmm ..
2015-05-20T16:35:29 < qyx_> what does "take the probe away" mean?
2015-05-20T16:35:34 < Rickta59> disconnect
2015-05-20T16:35:38 < Rickta59> un hook
2015-05-20T16:35:45 < Rickta59> remove it from pin PA4
2015-05-20T16:35:55 < qyx_> ok, gnd left conencted?
2015-05-20T16:35:58 < Rickta59> yeah
2015-05-20T16:36:03 < qyx_> mh
2015-05-20T16:38:34 < jpa-> probably large breadboard capacitance at other end => large current spike => reflection from the other end, scope adds extra capacitance => reflected spike reduced a bit
2015-05-20T16:39:59 < Rickta59> yeah ..
2015-05-20T16:40:06 < Rickta59> ok so i took it off the breadboard
2015-05-20T16:40:12 < Rickta59> and just connected with 100mm wires
2015-05-20T16:40:14 < Rickta59> it just works
2015-05-20T16:40:16 < Rickta59> thanks
2015-05-20T16:40:45 < jpa-> if bmp has an option to adjust the swclk frequency, lowering that can help
2015-05-20T16:41:21 < Rickta59> i'll check into that
2015-05-20T16:41:37 < Rickta59> so programmers typically don't pull down the clk and pull up the dio?
2015-05-20T16:41:43 < Rickta59> * found that info on another post
2015-05-20T16:48:11 < Rickta59> i had it on the breadboard so i could make a voltage divider for the Target VIN .. doh
2015-05-20T16:48:54 < jpa-> why you need that?
2015-05-20T16:49:03 < Rickta59> you really don't
2015-05-20T16:49:18 < Rickta59> it just shows the voltage of the target in gdb
2015-05-20T16:49:43 < Rickta59> it isn't used for anything
2015-05-20T16:56:11 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=122&p=1169#p1169 thanks
2015-05-20T16:58:06 < zyp> but it's pretty useful
2015-05-20T16:59:55 < zyp> when you're flashing a batch of boards and one board is failing to attach, it's nice to know whether vcc is present or not
2015-05-20T17:00:38 < zyp> and if it's not, just touch the vreg to determine whether it's because vcc is shorted or because vin is not present
2015-05-20T17:06:56 < karlp> isn't either the programmer or the target meant to provide pullups/downs on swdclk/swdio? so, normally the debugger side?
2015-05-20T17:08:45 < zyp> I'm pretty sure the target is supposed to have them, so the lines aren't floating when the programmer is detached
2015-05-20T17:09:09 < zyp> also, as far as I know, that's built into stm32, so there's no need for external parts
2015-05-20T17:09:28 < Rickta59> how do you even test for something like that
2015-05-20T17:09:41 < Rickta59> just touching a measuring device to it will affect it no?
2015-05-20T17:10:20 < Rickta59> * not a hw guy
2015-05-20T17:11:04 < zyp> why test? why not just read the documentation?
2015-05-20T17:12:24 < karlp> yeah, hardware designe guidelines for stm32l says they're built in at least.
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2015-05-20T17:14:35 < Rickta59> thanks zyp good suggestion
2015-05-20T17:15:32 < Rickta59> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00164185.pdf#page=19
2015-05-20T17:23:20 < Laurenceb__> http://thenakedconvos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/237814.jpg
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2015-05-20T17:27:34 < karlp> Rickta59: page 19
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2015-05-20T17:33:05 < Rickta59> that was a question karlp ?
2015-05-20T17:33:44 < Rickta59> in chrome at least .. #page=19 will open a pdf document and go to that page
2015-05-20T17:37:10 < karlp> no, I was saying the information you were looking for was 19, not 18, I meant to have a ;) after it.
2015-05-20T17:37:23 < karlp> also, who lets their browser open pdfs inside themselves, fuck that
2015-05-20T17:40:04 < Rickta59> I find it really useful when you click on internal pdf links inside the pages
2015-05-20T17:41:13 < Rickta59> and on linux .. the docviewer thing sucks as does the adobe reader
2015-05-20T17:41:36 < karlp> gnome has a stupid "documents" thing, but you clik options "open" and it opens in something that actuall behaves properly
2015-05-20T17:41:46 < gxti> evince is ok
2015-05-20T17:41:50 < karlp> no fucking clue what "documents" is meant to be doing, but I agree it'sfucking less than useless
2015-05-20T17:42:09 < Rickta59> evince is what i meant when i said docviewer thing
2015-05-20T17:42:26 < gxti> then i dunno what the proper thing karlp is talking about is
2015-05-20T17:42:56 < gxti> i hate how gnome rebrands shit with generic names so you don't know which program it even is.
2015-05-20T17:43:07 < karlp> "document viewer" is evince
2015-05-20T17:43:35 < karlp> "documents" is some useless shit that gnome opens ifyou press the windows key, search for a pdf, and then open it from the results
2015-05-20T17:43:58 < gxti> oic
2015-05-20T17:44:15 < gxti> even less helpful, a generic name that sounds exactly like a different generic name
2015-05-20T17:44:32 < karlp> and I can't take a screenshot of it, because gnome won't take a screenshot of what's on the screen, but what it thinks is on the screen instead
2015-05-20T17:44:46 < karlp> the screen flashed helpfully and everything, but the resulting image is what was there before hand.
2015-05-20T17:44:49 < karlp> fucking shit
2015-05-20T17:45:17 < karlp> gnome's "we know way better than and we're doing it to make your life better, and you'd better fucking believe us, we fucking told you it's better this way" is kinda tedious
2015-05-20T17:45:33 < gxti> yeah i tossed that shit years ago
2015-05-20T17:45:53 < gxti> sticking to that delightful 2003 vibe with xfce
2015-05-20T17:49:44 < kakimir> what you think about ultrasonic residue cleaning?
2015-05-20T17:49:55 < kakimir> with water + alcohols combo
2015-05-20T17:50:18 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/bugs/gnome-teh-awesome.jpg
2015-05-20T17:50:30 < karlp> they don't like having bugs filed abotu the different search results either
2015-05-20T17:50:39 < kakimir> does it bash your crystals?
2015-05-20T17:50:59 < karlp> and don't mention that the screen fucking shuffles while it "finds" extra results, so even after you've seen the one you want to click, it might hve moved or no longer been shown by the time you move the mouse to it.
2015-05-20T17:54:45 < PeterM> http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-p34NPrs/0/1050x10000/i-p34NPrs-1050x10000.jpg
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2015-05-20T19:36:30 < MrMobius> my life is being ruined by some program called 'eclipse'
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2015-05-20T19:42:09 < zyp> karlp, it's a shame there's no better pdf readers for linux than evince, because evince is not really all that great
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2015-05-20T19:43:10 < zyp> 16:37:24 < karlp> also, who lets their browser open pdfs inside themselves, fuck that
2015-05-20T19:43:22 < zyp> I do, for smaller documents such as that one
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2015-05-20T19:43:49 < karlp> well, I've generally been disappointed with the browser pdf readers, but admittedly, I've not tried them for a while.
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2015-05-20T19:44:27 < zyp> chrome's pdf viewer is pretty decent, only thing I don't like about it is that copying text from it results in dumb formatting
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2015-05-20T19:44:49 < karlp> copying text from a pdf is always a shot in the dark
2015-05-20T19:45:05 < zyp> i.e. linebreaks where they appear in the document, instead of just grabbing paragraphs as line
2015-05-20T19:45:19 < zyp> dunno, os x' pdf reader is pretty good at it
2015-05-20T19:46:00 < zyp> oh, and the main thing chrome's pdf reader lacks is TOC
2015-05-20T19:46:07 < zyp> but that's irrelevant for small docs
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2015-05-20T19:52:52 < karlp> bleh, new version of eagle is trying to find libssl 1.0.0
2015-05-20T19:54:45 < zyp> the fuck is eagle using libssl for?
2015-05-20T19:55:02 < karlp> fucked if I know.
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2015-05-20T19:55:17 < karlp> Iu sed to be able to just link 1.0.1k to 1.0.0, and it was ok,
2015-05-20T19:55:30 < karlp> but eagle 7 is whining still
2015-05-20T19:57:45 < tonyarkles> as a curiosity, has anyone successfully jumped into the stm32f042 bootloader without setting the boot pins?
2015-05-20T19:58:04 < tonyarkles> i feel like i'm really close, watching it with gdb shows that it's getting into the bootloader and executing some instructions, but it craps out and resets early on
2015-05-20T19:58:19 < tonyarkles> and i'm not particularly inclined to work through the disassembly
2015-05-20T19:59:47 < tonyarkles> i'm trying to do it cleanly, but my next attempt is to have my application code just wipe flash sector 0 and reset to let the "unflashed device" logic jump to the bootloader instead
2015-05-20T20:00:36 < karlp> heh, so eagle7 actually uses 64bit libs, instead of requiringt he 32bit libs
2015-05-20T20:00:55 < karlp> but the error message when it can't find them says it needs the 32bit libs
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2015-05-20T20:13:57 < qyx_> karlp: isn't it only the installer which needs 32bit libs?
2015-05-20T20:14:10 < qyx_> or i don't remember that correctyl
2015-05-20T20:14:34 < karlp> in 6.x at least, it used the 32bit libs,
2015-05-20T20:14:49 < karlp> today, the way I fixed 6.x didn't work, and I uninstalled the 32bit libs, and symlinked the 64bit libs and it worked.
2015-05-20T20:19:31 < zyp> tonyarkles, if the bootloader uses any interrupts, it's probably not going to work
2015-05-20T20:20:22 < zyp> M0 doesn't let you set the vector base addr to anything but 0, so any firmware wanting to use interrupts needs to have it's vector table mapped to 0
2015-05-20T20:20:32 < zyp> which is what happens when you use boot0 to select the bootloader
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2015-05-20T20:22:29 < zyp> if there's «unflashed device» logic in the chip, that'll probably work
2015-05-20T20:22:48 < zyp> because that would probably trigger the same memory remap that boot0 does
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2015-05-20T20:28:26 < jpa-> zyp, tonyarkles: here on page 14 it is explained how to jump to bootloader: http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00167594.pdf
2015-05-20T20:29:54 < zyp> exactly what on page 14 do you refer to?
2015-05-20T20:30:08 < jpa-> "In addition to patterns described above, user might execute Bootloader by performing a
2015-05-20T20:30:09 < jpa-> jump to system memory from user code"
2015-05-20T20:31:10 < zyp> ah, right
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2015-05-20T20:33:03 < jpa-> tonyarkles: but when i had to reboot to my own firmware in another bank, i never figured out all the trouble; so i set a bit in CRC->IDR as a notifier flag, and then did the jump as first thing in reset before initializing anything
2015-05-20T20:33:20 < jpa-> that way you can make sysreset do the work for you and no need to go manually disabling peripherals and interrupts
2015-05-20T20:33:47 < zyp> jpa-, page 88 says «Eecute DFU bootloader using USB interrupts»
2015-05-20T20:34:27 < zyp> and like I said, interrupts in bootloader is not going to work on M0
2015-05-20T20:34:32 < jpa-> hmm.. true
2015-05-20T20:34:32 < zyp> after jumping to it
2015-05-20T20:34:48 < jpa-> F0 has usb bootloader?
2015-05-20T20:34:50 < zyp> unless the bootloader knows an internal trick to force the memory remap
2015-05-20T20:35:04 < zyp> the usb capable ones do
2015-05-20T20:35:25 < zyp> and tonyarkles is asking about f042
2015-05-20T20:35:56 < jpa-> yeah, looks like you are correct
2015-05-20T20:36:03 < zyp> hmm
2015-05-20T20:36:36 < jpa-> so indeed seems that empty flash is the way to go
2015-05-20T20:36:38 < zyp> AN2606 also says that SWCLK pin us used for USART2_RX, so the debugger would crap out either way
2015-05-20T20:37:01 < jpa-> ah, that explains why debugger always craps out when i happen to go to boot0
2015-05-20T20:38:32 < zyp> dropping SCB_VTOR from M0 is the dumbest thing ever :p
2015-05-20T20:39:16 < jpa-> dumber than dropping HFSR?
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2015-05-20T20:49:56 < zyp> IMO yes
2015-05-20T20:50:43 < zyp> CFSR is mostly useful for debugging crashes, not useful when you don't have code that crashes
2015-05-20T20:51:13 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/zGHxF.jpg hey zyp is there a better way to do this?
2015-05-20T20:51:20 < zyp> VTOR is required any time you want to have any sort of switchable firmwares
2015-05-20T20:51:32 < ReadError> basically keepouts just for copper pours
2015-05-20T20:51:36 < zyp> ReadError, «this» being what?
2015-05-20T20:51:45 < ReadError> but w/o all the other ugly 'x' stuff
2015-05-20T20:53:17 < zyp> you want to keep the polygon pour out of the pink area?
2015-05-20T20:53:27 < ReadError> yea, the keepout is keeping it out
2015-05-20T20:53:31 < zyp> but don't want DRC errors from the other traces
2015-05-20T20:53:34 < ReadError> but it makes the DRC go apeshit
2015-05-20T20:54:06 < zyp> of course it does, you're not keeping out of the keepout area
2015-05-20T20:54:34 < zyp> if you only want to limit the polygon, do a polygon subtraction or something
2015-05-20T20:54:35 < ReadError> I guess what im looking for is a keepout just for copper pours, i guess i can craft some filter/rule thing and make a new layer just for that
2015-05-20T20:56:11 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- the layer counter in the top left corner here is using some trick like that
2015-05-20T20:56:29 < zyp> plane layers are dumb, so layers 2/3 are plain signal layers with polygons
2015-05-20T20:56:43 < zyp> and then I'm using subtraction to punch out a hole in those
2015-05-20T20:56:48 < zyp> IIRC
2015-05-20T20:57:53 < zyp> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Polygon+Pours+and+Copper+Regions#PolygonPoursandCopperRegions-PolygonCutouts
2015-05-20T20:58:20 < ReadError> ohhhh now that looks better
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2015-05-20T21:00:44 < ReadError> thanks
2015-05-20T21:01:29 < zyp> np
2015-05-20T21:01:51 < gxti> also you can do curves if you use shift-space to switch the line style
2015-05-20T21:02:12 < gxti> i wish you could do it by drawing a track and converting though.
2015-05-20T21:03:18 < ReadError> looks much nicer w/o all the keepout drc error :)
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2015-05-20T21:37:50 < tonyarkles> jpa-, zyp: awesome, thanks, things to read through
2015-05-20T21:38:18 < tonyarkles> was afk, i'm curious reading through this
2015-05-20T21:38:26 < tonyarkles> the debugger seems to work fine with boot0 on here
2015-05-20T21:38:48 < tonyarkles> i can even single step through the bootloader (without access to the source, of course)
2015-05-20T21:39:13 < tonyarkles> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQCzDoXdVGs+i2SY+2PjDvSDml8eYbC/moz0HzPKXFTELl/0bJZys8/OEFON9/mo6FJtHpHrQA4wGd2F7q4DSW0lrDBS5JpAULG94BTs3aHlIMeFHlPyqvrmTHzXHCcphIBMvIhlSTbMbHuuO+/eBjV+bFT5831xEYy9g3BfIS4mOm+6FjOl7nrFG+9FhH5yKntl53noLQq/kqaeN8uyvepP/2a68NmGQXcl3x3ReBl33pwSznmlb9Wzou66GDLA49yJdOvuRGTKnwaElCKhLCK0xU6ywYwDd4r0v99Rt3DAlB8xDZGFXBEz5+u22ibumU2iu8i253zK7yxMq8vMaZxH bzabos@osx.local
2015-05-20T21:39:22 < tonyarkles> oops
2015-05-20T21:39:29 < tonyarkles> well good thing that's the public key
2015-05-20T21:41:24 < _Sync_> trolled
2015-05-20T21:49:32 < tonyarkles> zyp: bits 1 and 0 in SYSCFG_CFGR1 can be used to remap between flash and system memory
2015-05-20T21:50:21 < tonyarkles> right now my reset code turns on the syscfg clock, updates the syscfg_cfgr1 bits to do the remap, and then sets up the SP to 0x00000000 and then jumps to 0x00000004
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2015-05-20T21:51:13 < tonyarkles> rather, sets the SP to the value at 0x00000000 and jumps to the value at 0x00000004
2015-05-20T21:51:30 < tonyarkles> (which appear to correctly change to the bootloader stack address and entry point)
2015-05-20T21:52:02 < tonyarkles> it's so weird... i can watch it execute some of the bootloader, and then it spontaneously resets, which drops me back into my own code
2015-05-20T21:55:39 < zyp> oh, right, there's a SYSCFG_REMAP
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2015-05-20T21:55:45 < zyp> that should be good then
2015-05-20T21:56:03 < zyp> and yes, whet you're doing sounds good
2015-05-20T21:56:18 < zyp> but then there's the part about the bootloader killing swclk
2015-05-20T21:56:59 < zyp> are you sure the debugger is not hitting the reset line when it loses the swd connection?
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2015-05-20T22:59:14 < tonyarkles> zyp: oh my god, i wonder if that's what it is
2015-05-20T22:59:28 < tonyarkles> i'll lose my mind if it is
2015-05-20T22:59:47 < zyp> :)
2015-05-20T23:03:01 < tonyarkles> nope, does the same thing with the debugger disconnected
2015-05-20T23:03:03 < tonyarkles> hmmm
2015-05-20T23:03:34 < tonyarkles> well i'm pulled the bootloader firmware and ran it through a decompiler, maybe i can find the source of the reset and divine what's going on around it
2015-05-20T23:04:40 < zyp> are you sure you don't have any interrupts firing into the bootloaders vectors?
2015-05-20T23:04:50 < zyp> or other stuff configured that the bootloader doesn't like
2015-05-20T23:06:33 < tonyarkles> i suppose i could turn the syscfg clock off again after i swap what it's using for flash
2015-05-20T23:07:25 < Austin___> Is there a consensus WRT choice of IDE and compiler when developing for ARM chips?
2015-05-20T23:07:26 < tonyarkles> but it's really just turning on the syscfg clock, swapping the flash, loading the sp, and jumping
2015-05-20T23:07:40 < tonyarkles> Austin___: my consensus is gcc+makefile :)
2015-05-20T23:07:50 < tonyarkles> and then emacs as an editor
2015-05-20T23:07:56 < tonyarkles> but i realize that I hold a minority opinion
2015-05-20T23:08:13 < Austin___> can i ask why? I've asked this question in a few places and got very different results
2015-05-20T23:08:22 < Austin___> moving from PIC's :)
2015-05-20T23:08:36 < Austin___> PICs*
2015-05-20T23:09:09 < tonyarkles> a couple of reasons
2015-05-20T23:09:26 < tonyarkles> my build machine is often not the same as my work machine, so being able to do a build over ssh is a win for me
2015-05-20T23:09:44 < tonyarkles> (e.g. i'm on a windows laptop right now, but my target device and debugger are plugged into the linux box downstairs)
2015-05-20T23:09:58 < zyp> Austin___, if you're using gcc, this is the build you want: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2015-05-20T23:10:25 < tonyarkles> also, it's the easiest to automate. I like setting up automatic builds so that as soon as I commit to a tag on my git repository, it automatically generates a build for me
2015-05-20T23:11:21 < zyp> yeah, tying build stuff into a specific IDE is bad
2015-05-20T23:12:35 < Austin___> zyp: thanks, ive been pointed to that quite a few times
2015-05-20T23:12:42 < Austin___> i really like the idea of using GCC
2015-05-20T23:13:06 < Austin___> but how do i go about debugging? I'm used to doing that in an IDE (MPLAB)
2015-05-20T23:13:23 < zyp> there's gdb in that toolchain package
2015-05-20T23:13:45 < zyp> and if you dislike commandline gdb, there's a bunch of frontends around
2015-05-20T23:13:52 < Austin___> toolchain package? as in gcc-arm-embedded?
2015-05-20T23:13:56 < zyp> yes
2015-05-20T23:14:07 < Austin___> and gdb is commandline based?
2015-05-20T23:14:10 < zyp> yes
2015-05-20T23:14:40 < zyp> personally that's what I prefer
2015-05-20T23:14:48 < Austin___> hmm, sounds cumbersome to use. But i'm sure ill be proved wrong
2015-05-20T23:15:20 < zyp> dunno, I think a graphical interface is in many cases more cumbersome
2015-05-20T23:15:42 < Austin___> so is there a go-to UI for gdb?
2015-05-20T23:15:48 < Austin___> for those that use it
2015-05-20T23:16:03 < zyp> dunno, there's gdb-tui and ddd
2015-05-20T23:16:11 < zyp> and a bunch of IDEs have gdb integration
2015-05-20T23:16:31 < zyp> I don't use either, so I can't give any advice on those
2015-05-20T23:16:40 < Austin___> ah, you answered my next question
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2015-05-20T23:16:54 < Austin___> I'm convinced. I'll give gcc a shot
2015-05-20T23:16:58 < zyp> I don't really think having the debugger in the source view is all that useful
2015-05-20T23:17:09 < Austin___> I'm using an STM32F4 discovery. I imagine that's supported?
2015-05-20T23:17:27 < zyp> because it's not the source you're debugging, you're debugging the machinecode output from that
2015-05-20T23:17:33 < zyp> sure, entire stm32 range is supported
2015-05-20T23:17:37 < Austin___> lovely
2015-05-20T23:18:18 < Austin___> oh, ik, i suppose i prefer it so i can quickly flick through code in the same window
2015-05-20T23:18:21 < zyp> although, the toolchain does not come with a way to connect gdb to the debugger on the discovery board
2015-05-20T23:18:22 < tonyarkles> zyp: it sounds like we have very similar opinions
2015-05-20T23:18:46 < zyp> most people use openocd as a go between, to get gdb to talk to the st-link
2015-05-20T23:18:47 < tonyarkles> yeah, I'm not sure if there's alternative approaches, I use openocd
2015-05-20T23:18:52 < tonyarkles> hah
2015-05-20T23:18:58 < zyp> tonyarkles, yeah, except I use a real editor like vim ;)
2015-05-20T23:19:01 < tonyarkles> ;)
2015-05-20T23:19:09 < qyx_> pfff, vimism
2015-05-20T23:19:25 < qyx_> another minority opininion :P
2015-05-20T23:19:30 < qyx_> -in
2015-05-20T23:20:00 < zyp> tonyarkles, I'm also not a fan of make
2015-05-20T23:20:21 < zyp> I'm using scons for my own projects
2015-05-20T23:21:50 < Austin___> thanks all, I think thats enough to get me started
2015-05-20T23:22:37 < Austin___> anyone here use chibiOS (i'll ask while i'm here)?
2015-05-20T23:22:45 < zyp> some people do
2015-05-20T23:23:48 < Austin___> im really new to the idea of an RTOS, but it sounds very appealing. Just wanted to guage peoples opinion
2015-05-20T23:26:11 < tonyarkles> Austin___: chibi has been on my list of things to try out, but hasn't made it to the top yet
2015-05-20T23:26:42 < tonyarkles> yeah, make is pretty clunky. Definitely a "devil you know" situation so far.
2015-05-20T23:26:52 < tonyarkles> it's painful, but not painful enough to spend time learning something else
2015-05-20T23:26:56 < bvernoux> Austin___, RTOS means also wasting lot of cycles for nothing on some tasks ;)
2015-05-20T23:26:58 < tonyarkles> I used cmake for a project and was pretty happy with it
2015-05-20T23:27:23 < Austin___> tonyarkles: any particular feature that makes you want to try it out?
2015-05-20T23:27:36 < Austin___> the peripheral libraries are what do it for me
2015-05-20T23:28:32 < bvernoux> Austin___, main problem today is driver which are not really designed for realtime stuff ...
2015-05-20T23:28:53 < bvernoux> too much IRQ for nothing ...
2015-05-20T23:29:13 < bvernoux> IRQ is the biggest problem of MCU ...
2015-05-20T23:29:46 < qyx_> if you are abusing them, yes
2015-05-20T23:30:02 < bvernoux> everyone are abusing them
2015-05-20T23:30:05 < Austin___> because of context switching when an interrupt is flagged?
2015-05-20T23:30:05 < bvernoux> chibios ...
2015-05-20T23:30:32 < bvernoux> result at end you have a poor sw doing only IRQ and context save/restore ...
2015-05-20T23:30:51 < bvernoux> i do not even speak if you have in addition multiple tasks ;)
2015-05-20T23:31:19 < bvernoux> and even worse if you have enabled HW FPU on M4F ;)
2015-05-20T23:31:44 < bvernoux> when MCU will be events driven that will solve definitely this IRQ problem !
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2015-05-20T23:34:01 < qyx_> lets return back to reality
2015-05-20T23:34:20 < Austin___> Hmm, i've noticed a few projects doing some pretty time critical stuff using chibiOS which makes me thing that it can't be that bad?
2015-05-20T23:34:26 < Austin___> think*
2015-05-20T23:34:39 < qyx_> Austin___: an interrupt doesn't necessarilly mean context switch
2015-05-20T23:34:56 < qyx_> it is not that bad
2015-05-20T23:35:15 < qyx_> although its hal was the reason to move to libopencm3
2015-05-20T23:35:18 < qyx_> (for me)
2015-05-20T23:35:23 < bvernoux> Austin___, I use chibios and when i want to do critical stuff I disable it
2015-05-20T23:35:34 < zyp> Austin___, it's not that bad, bvernoux is known for being wrapped up in his own world :p
2015-05-20T23:35:58 < bvernoux> anyway to blink led IRQ work fine with a MCU @40Mhz ;)
2015-05-20T23:36:27 < zyp> Austin___, but unless you need multithreading, I suggest just starting with something simple, like plain libopencm3
2015-05-20T23:36:33 < bvernoux> now try doing some SW PWM with IRQ with speed > 1MHz on a 40MHz MCU ;)
2015-05-20T23:36:34 < Austin___> qyx_: ah, i'll have to read some of the documentation then to understand the intricacies
2015-05-20T23:36:42 < qyx_> uuuh
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2015-05-20T23:37:07 < Austin___> ill just google libopencm3
2015-05-20T23:37:26 < qyx_> keep in mind that chibios documentation is not always current
2015-05-20T23:37:28 < bvernoux> main problem with RTOS is to avoid doing tons of tasks for nothing
2015-05-20T23:37:51 < bvernoux> lot of problem can be solved without any task and to avoid big headhache especially if you have never used a RTOS
2015-05-20T23:38:11 < qyx_> main problem of this reasoning is that you need microsecond-precision timing while using your cpu at nearly 100%
2015-05-20T23:38:12 < Austin___> Yer, I'll do some reading and better understand what's going on, then im sure i'll be able to pick it for the right circumstance
2015-05-20T23:38:25 < qyx_> *you are trying to achieve
2015-05-20T23:39:00 < qyx_> there are situations where you want to make things modular and nice
2015-05-20T23:39:18 < qyx_> and obfuscating your code to gather another 10% speed improvement is not your goal
2015-05-20T23:39:31 < tonyarkles> zyp: this reverse engineering process has surprisingly been fruitful
2015-05-20T23:39:45 < tonyarkles> i've at least narrowed down where it's resetting, and what it's doing immediately before it
2015-05-20T23:39:48 < bvernoux> qyx_, for MCU sometimes modular and nice is not equal with fast/efficient ;-)
2015-05-20T23:39:58 < qyx_> i am saying the same
2015-05-20T23:40:05 < qyx_> and fast/efficient is not always your goal
2015-05-20T23:40:08 < bvernoux> but it depends for what
2015-05-20T23:40:11 < qyx_> *your only goal
2015-05-20T23:40:14 < bvernoux> hehe
2015-05-20T23:40:22 < tonyarkles> looks at the Flash Option Byte Register and checks values in it
2015-05-20T23:40:29 < bvernoux> MCU are by definition used for realtime stuff
2015-05-20T23:40:31 < tonyarkles> now time to compare what happens with boot0 vs now
2015-05-20T23:40:33 < bvernoux> else use a CPU
2015-05-20T23:40:34 < zyp> fast/efficient is usually not my goal
2015-05-20T23:40:37 < bvernoux> or an arduino ;)
2015-05-20T23:40:38 < tonyarkles> bvernoux: or cost :)
2015-05-20T23:40:59 < bvernoux> yes cost and embedded realtime stuff ;)
2015-05-20T23:41:13 < bvernoux> if it's just to blink led it's a total fail ;)
2015-05-20T23:41:15 < zyp> usually for what I do, the code doesn't need to be all that fast, just fast enough
2015-05-20T23:41:39 < Austin___> thanks for the pointer to libopencm3. Looks like exactly what i need to get started
2015-05-20T23:41:42 < tonyarkles> yup, it's the same with this project. I receive usb packets and do some stuff with them
2015-05-20T23:41:53 < tonyarkles> mostly just reconfigure pwm registers
2015-05-20T23:41:57 < zyp> Austin___, yes, their examples should be a good starting point
2015-05-20T23:41:58 < bvernoux> Example USB stack in MCU is a total waste of time
2015-05-20T23:41:58 < tonyarkles> a few other things
2015-05-20T23:42:04 < bvernoux> USB on MCU = TOTAL Fail
2015-05-20T23:42:12 < qyx_> bvernoux pls
2015-05-20T23:42:25 < tonyarkles> how else are you going to connect a PC to the outside world for $2?
2015-05-20T23:42:32 < bvernoux> and it's only FS in lot of case ;)
2015-05-20T23:42:43 < tonyarkles> i only need 2000 30 byte packets/sec
2015-05-20T23:42:48 < qyx_> tonyarkles: you need quadcore app cpu for controlling monitor backlight
2015-05-20T23:42:56 < tonyarkles> qyx_: oh, of course!
2015-05-20T23:42:59 < tonyarkles> what was I thinking?!
2015-05-20T23:43:15 < qyx_> because you need to adjust it at 1MHz
2015-05-20T23:45:12 < bvernoux> maybe it is done in java with a jvm in MCU ;)
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2015-05-20T23:45:25 < bvernoux> using 800KB of flash
2015-05-20T23:45:47 < bvernoux> I have seen a demo like that of java embedded for MCU
2015-05-20T23:47:40 < tonyarkles> see, now that's a terrible idea
2015-05-20T23:47:58 < Austin___> i think im going to like this channel
2015-05-20T23:48:10 < bvernoux> I just like to speak about extreme stuff ;)
2015-05-20T23:48:14 < tonyarkles> but in my case, it's an stm32f042 with a bunch of analog stuff, and usb to connect it to the host :D
2015-05-20T23:48:17 < Austin___> i gathered
2015-05-20T23:48:20 < bvernoux> as in MCU world lot of people think it's like coding stuff on windows
2015-05-20T23:48:24 < bvernoux> doing malloc ...
2015-05-20T23:48:38 < tonyarkles> straight C, if it makes you feel any better about the implementation ;)
2015-05-20T23:49:11 < bvernoux> and if people say they MUST have malloc in MCU it's first step to the dark side ;)
2015-05-20T23:51:10 < zyp> I've been wondering the feasability of a small ip stack without dynamic memory buffers
2015-05-20T23:51:15 < bvernoux> also a big disppointing things is in ST driver they have no driver for direct DMA without IRQ ;)
2015-05-20T23:51:40 < bvernoux> example for streaming or fast debug in non intrusive way
2015-05-20T23:51:58 < qyx_> bvernoux: i do malloc
2015-05-20T23:52:08 < qyx_> when its appropriate
2015-05-20T23:52:36 < bvernoux> qyx_, in some case it can be useful ;)
2015-05-20T23:52:37 < qyx_> even misra/jpl guidelines don't forbid that in certain cases
2015-05-20T23:52:51 < bvernoux> main problem is to manage it correctly
2015-05-20T23:53:05 < bvernoux> to do not have hole and malloc error during tons of malloc/free
2015-05-20T23:53:31 < qyx_> zyp: i tried once (udp
2015-05-20T23:53:47 < qyx_> i mean zerocopy
2015-05-20T23:53:52 < bvernoux> ip stack can be done without malloc
2015-05-20T23:53:57 < bvernoux> it's just limited
2015-05-20T23:53:59 < zyp> bvernoux, sure it can
2015-05-20T23:54:02 < tonyarkles> qyx_: yeah, i did one once on an avr
2015-05-20T23:54:06 < tonyarkles> it had a single packet buffer :)
2015-05-20T23:54:14 < tonyarkles> for udp
2015-05-20T23:54:31 < zyp> at my previous employer, we had lwip running with a set of fixed-size pools rather than a heap
2015-05-20T23:54:33 < tonyarkles> for each direction
2015-05-20T23:54:35 < zyp> in a project
2015-05-20T23:55:03 < bvernoux> yes fixed size pool is a good way
2015-05-20T23:55:16 < qyx_> mhm i was thinking that it uses preallocated pools by default
2015-05-20T23:55:20 < zyp> depends
2015-05-20T23:56:10 < zyp> fixed pools have the advantage that they don't fragment, and one pool being full doesn't affect memory availability for other purposes
2015-05-20T23:57:35 < zyp> but you have to size each pool for it's maximum requirement, which means that every pool that's currently not full is wasting a bit of memory that could otherwise be used for other stuff
2015-05-20T23:58:01 < zyp> and if you deal with varying element sizes, you're also wasting memory for each element
2015-05-20T23:58:30 < zyp> depending on the application, this might be worse than the fragmentation you'll get in a heap
2015-05-20T23:59:52 < zyp> and on a platform with much more memory than you're utilizing anyway, it's a moot point
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2015-05-21T00:51:06 < tonyarkles> zyp: if you're curious, I'm making more progress
2015-05-21T00:51:26 < tonyarkles> there's a BOOT_SEL bit in the option bytes
2015-05-21T00:52:21 < tonyarkles> and the bootloader does a check that is basically (if BOOT_SEL = 1 and not BOOT0 pin , reboot)
2015-05-21T00:52:36 < tonyarkles> haven't worked out all the logic yet for what it does when BOOT_SEL = 0
2015-05-21T00:53:32 < tonyarkles> there's a few different cases for what it does
2015-05-21T00:53:37 < tonyarkles> this feels like progress!
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2015-05-21T01:51:50 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toolguide-868D-2-in1-SMD-Soldering-Iron-Desoldering-Station-Hot-Air-Rework-Gun-/221733310060 is this any goof?
2015-05-21T02:01:08 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/20/maps_white_house/
2015-05-21T02:01:11 < Laurenceb_> pmsl
2015-05-21T02:04:07 < Laurenceb_> never saw that one coming
2015-05-21T02:07:55 < kakimir> black house
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2015-05-21T03:35:19 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8KGatsPTNo cool
2015-05-21T03:46:44 < emeb> Word to the wise regarding I2s_ext ports...
2015-05-21T03:47:04 < emeb> always enable the _ext (slave) port prior to enabling the main (master) port.
2015-05-21T03:47:22 < emeb> failure to do this results in possible bit alignment issues between TX and RX
2015-05-21T03:47:46 < zyp> heh
2015-05-21T03:48:25 < emeb> was wondering why my codec adc data had a gain of 16.
2015-05-21T03:49:41 < emeb> annoying thing was that this code had worked fine with a different codec. changed the hardware and suddenly problems appear.
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2015-05-21T04:07:07 < kakimir> I rather use swo
2015-05-21T04:12:20 < karlp> nice trick thorn
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2015-05-21T04:26:01 < dongs> PNY replied to my tweet about low-profile-only bracket for K1200
2015-05-21T04:26:07 < dongs> "This video card is low profile ONLY. You cannot obtain a full height bracket for it."
2015-05-21T04:26:10 < dongs> what a fucking joke
2015-05-21T04:26:22 < dongs> who makes a LP card in 2015 and DOESNT provide both brackets???
2015-05-21T04:26:41 < dongs> i mean, obviously, PNY, but still
2015-05-21T04:26:42 < dongs> fucking lol
2015-05-21T04:27:17 < emeb> R2COM: I2S works fine, but it's finicky about how you start it up and the dox don't really indicate what's needed.
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2015-05-21T04:30:01 < dongs> < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8KGatsPTNo cool
2015-05-21T04:30:02 < dongs> what
2015-05-21T04:30:12 < dongs> cant you just count inside idle thread
2015-05-21T04:30:21 < dongs> to get cpu usage
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2015-05-21T04:47:21 < karlp> man, chibios is not playing well fo rme.
2015-05-21T04:55:39 < karlp> I can receive whole frames with this modbus library, but when it switches to sending, it's all busted
2015-05-21T04:55:58 < karlp> this is what I get for only looking at it for an hour or two too many nights apart
2015-05-21T05:06:03 < karlp> well, it is encouraging me to not look much further at chibios, it's been a generally painful experience
2015-05-21T05:06:11 < karlp> though it's all been chibios hal, not the os
2015-05-21T05:06:22 < karlp> I had the same project workign with freertos much faster
2015-05-21T05:07:54 < karlp> that's definitely it.
2015-05-21T05:08:19 < gxti> don't you have real pro EE stuff to do R2COM
2015-05-21T05:11:52 < dongs> fucking altidong
2015-05-21T05:11:59 < dongs> still cant get old transparency settings back
2015-05-21T05:12:07 < dongs> vias wiht override color look fucking solid
2015-05-21T05:12:09 < dongs> fucking garbage
2015-05-21T05:12:12 < dongs> kids trash EDA
2015-05-21T05:12:21 < dongs> deleding this trash and installing orcadcocks
2015-05-21T05:12:28 < dongs> (hi R2COM)
2015-05-21T05:14:57 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/WguM6.jpg
2015-05-21T05:15:05 < ReadError> ReadError here, resident altidong pro
2015-05-21T05:15:48 < ReadError> stoning/baking up new clones
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2015-05-21T05:17:34 < ReadError> iduno ;(
2015-05-21T05:19:34 < ReadError> dongs why you hates me
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2015-05-21T05:27:21 < upgrdman> damn. got a new monitor at work. ips. i've seen non-ips panels with better viewing angles and contrast.
2015-05-21T05:32:17 < dongs> upgrdman: wat
2015-05-21T05:33:01 < upgrdman> R2COM, dont have the model number with me. but it's an LG, $200ish, and one of those dorky 21:9 aspect ratio monitors
2015-05-21T05:33:07 < dongs> >< LG
2015-05-21T05:33:09 < dongs> > $200
2015-05-21T05:33:22 < dongs> found your problem
2015-05-21T05:33:23 < upgrdman> its not bad, but worse than i expected
2015-05-21T05:33:24 < upgrdman> ya
2015-05-21T05:33:32 < upgrdman> employer is cheap when it comes to computing
2015-05-21T05:33:52 < dongs> you got that 27" 4k?
2015-05-21T05:33:56 < dongs> my 2415Q just arrived today
2015-05-21T05:34:06 < dongs> from jewsa
2015-05-21T05:34:16 < englishman> only one?
2015-05-21T05:34:28 < upgrdman> i must say tho, 21:9 is nice for work activities. two "fullscreen" windows side by side, without bezels of dual monitors
2015-05-21T05:34:29 < dongs> first of replacements for 2414
2015-05-21T05:34:35 < dongs> goign to sell off 2414s first
2015-05-21T05:34:49 < dongs> they're doing pretty good on jp auctions around 600+$
2015-05-21T05:35:00 < englishman> wowz
2015-05-21T05:35:05 < englishman> more than 2415
2015-05-21T05:35:12 < dongs> some retard sold one for lieik $150
2015-05-21T05:35:17 < dongs> "it has red line in center"
2015-05-21T05:35:27 < dongs> (nobody told him it was AMD problem)
2015-05-21T05:35:34 < ReadError> lol
2015-05-21T05:35:43 < ReadError> amd, disgusting
2015-05-21T05:35:54 < dongs> K1200 is actally nice
2015-05-21T05:35:58 < ReadError> only thing that kept them alive was buttcoin/altcoin mining
2015-05-21T05:35:59 < dongs> i havent had any standbywake up issues so far
2015-05-21T05:36:19 < dongs> need to figure out this lowprofile bracket thing.
2015-05-21T05:36:43 < ReadError> sounds like you need a 3d printer
2015-05-21T05:36:47 < ReadError> trollool
2015-05-21T05:37:47 < dongs> .. wat
2015-05-21T05:38:14 < ReadError> thats what a reprapist would do
2015-05-21T05:38:17 < ReadError> print a new one
2015-05-21T05:38:32 < englishman> um why you need a bracket
2015-05-21T05:38:35 < englishman> let that shit hang
2015-05-21T05:39:00 < ReadError> ya i mean its locked into the pcie slot but that cable strain doe
2015-05-21T05:39:13 < englishman> lil wanky minidp
2015-05-21T05:39:35 < ReadError> yea you could use one of those little stick on ziptie things
2015-05-21T05:39:39 < dongs> ...
2015-05-21T05:39:49 < ReadError> and ziptie teh cable to the back
2015-05-21T05:39:53 < ReadError> but thats janky as fuck
2015-05-21T05:47:19 < upgrdman> old, but this is why i love russia:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eKOqL10xk&feature=youtu.be
2015-05-21T05:47:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes
2015-05-21T05:47:46 < upgrdman> there's no OLED big monitors yet, right?
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2015-05-21T05:56:38 < dongs> you dont want oled monitors anyway
2015-05-21T06:00:17 < emeb_mac> fade away after a few years
2015-05-21T06:03:49 < dongs> hm need a good low-drop schottky in nonretard package
2015-05-21T06:04:39 < dongs> maybe ill just keep sot23
2015-05-21T06:12:39 < emeb_mac> just use 1/2 of a bat54x?
2015-05-21T06:12:47 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-21T06:12:50 < dongs> but... it is kinda big
2015-05-21T06:13:23 < emeb_mac> true - world needs a schottky in an 0603 pkg
2015-05-21T06:14:38 < emeb_mac> Guy I work with was telling ma about some cheap schottky he's using now. need to ping him and see what it was
2015-05-21T06:14:43 < dongs> PMEG3020EJ,115
2015-05-21T06:14:49 < dongs> maybe steal this from englishman
2015-05-21T06:15:51 < emeb_mac> 510mv typ Vf?
2015-05-21T06:15:56 < dongs> @ 2A
2015-05-21T06:16:02 < emeb_mac> might as well use a regular diode
2015-05-21T06:16:05 < dongs> pssh
2015-05-21T06:16:23 < dongs> got anything betteR?
2015-05-21T06:16:34 < emeb_mac> dunno - just complaining
2015-05-21T06:17:46 < emeb_mac> 300mv @ 100ma. not bad
2015-05-21T06:28:25 < dongs> haha
2015-05-21T06:33:43 < dongs> finally altidong has via templates
2015-05-21T06:36:08 < ReadError> speaking of which
2015-05-21T06:36:29 < ReadError> where the fuck is my 15.1.9 from the ruskis R2COM?
2015-05-21T06:37:56 < dongs> learn to pay for software
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2015-05-21T06:38:46 < ReadError> dongs im not a pro like you though
2015-05-21T06:38:53 < dongs> ReadError: for your clone garabge you should just use circuitmaker
2015-05-21T06:39:01 < dongs> pal got download beta email
2015-05-21T06:39:05 < dongs> says its just fucking altium
2015-05-21T06:39:05 < ReadError> ya its open now
2015-05-21T06:39:07 < ReadError> instant reg
2015-05-21T06:39:09 < ReadError> also
2015-05-21T06:39:10 < dongs> o yea?
2015-05-21T06:39:13 < ReadError> I registered 'Zano'
2015-05-21T06:39:18 < ReadError> so nobody can use that name
2015-05-21T06:39:20 < ReadError> trollll
2015-05-21T06:39:21 < dongs> haha
2015-05-21T06:39:24 < dongs> on circuitblogger?
2015-05-21T06:39:25 < ReadError> ya
2015-05-21T06:39:34 < ReadError> if someone names a project
2015-05-21T06:39:40 < ReadError> nobody else can name theirs that
2015-05-21T06:40:23 < ReadError> R2COM i etched a board today already
2015-05-21T06:40:41 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-5jPB7sm/0/X3/CA_05201517354363-X3.jpg
2015-05-21T06:40:54 < ReadError> i got another i need to do next
2015-05-21T06:41:06 < dongs> that skunkworks power amp
2015-05-21T06:41:13 < dongs> that he took 2 hours to draw footprint for
2015-05-21T06:41:25 < ReadError> no no
2015-05-21T06:41:27 < dongs> (more like 2 days actually)
2015-05-21T06:41:28 < ReadError> once i was unstoned
2015-05-21T06:41:33 < ReadError> it only took like 10 mins
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2015-05-21T06:42:26 < dongs> pro rf
2015-05-21T06:43:12 < ReadError> http://www.rfmd.com/store/downloads/dl/file/id/28403/rfpa3800_data_sheet.pdf
2015-05-21T06:43:16 < ReadError> this is the one im doing now
2015-05-21T06:57:32 < dongs> fucking tokyo bank
2015-05-21T06:57:34 < dongs> cant login into it again
2015-05-21T06:57:37 < dongs> unless I use XP VM
2015-05-21T06:57:39 < dongs> wiht like IE6
2015-05-21T06:57:46 < dongs> wiht their stupid fucking self-signed certigficates
2015-05-21T06:57:50 < dongs> that they update every year
2015-05-21T06:57:54 < dongs> fucking morons
2015-05-21T06:58:06 < dongs> they even marked the trash as non-exportable
2015-05-21T07:05:12 < dongs> i wonder if circuitdonger will live coinstalled with altium
2015-05-21T07:05:20 < dongs> or i better not chance it
2015-05-21T07:08:13 < dongs> intel stole x64 instruction set from AMD
2015-05-21T07:10:53 < emeb_mac> dongs: alternative schottky -> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STPS1L30U/497-2468-1-ND/603850
2015-05-21T07:11:06 < emeb_mac> a bit bigger than the one you linked, but better Vf
2015-05-21T07:11:19 < dongs> haha SMB, that is huge
2015-05-21T07:11:23 < dongs> i think thats evne bigger than SOT23
2015-05-21T07:12:11 < dongs> ya like 5mm
2015-05-21T07:12:43 < dongs> so emeb_mac did you install circuitmaker yet
2015-05-21T07:12:50 < emeb_mac> what's that?
2015-05-21T07:12:55 < dongs> free altidong
2015-05-21T07:15:31 < emeb_mac> interesting. will look
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2015-05-21T07:16:43 < dongs> no mac version tho
2015-05-21T07:16:46 < dongs> :D
2015-05-21T07:17:24 < emeb_mac> s'allright - got me winders too
2015-05-21T07:17:36  * emeb_mac is computer agnostic
2015-05-21T07:17:49 < dongs> apparently you can dragndrop altidong .schdoc
2015-05-21T07:17:51 < dongs> on circuitblogger
2015-05-21T07:17:53 < dongs> and it'll open them
2015-05-21T07:18:07 < emeb_mac> wow
2015-05-21T07:20:02 < dongs> HAHA
2015-05-21T07:20:11 < dongs> if you do drag a .schdoc
2015-05-21T07:20:13 < dongs> you can edit
2015-05-21T07:20:15 < dongs> AND save locally
2015-05-21T07:20:37 < dongs> there's no 'save' but it asks " doyou wanna save changes " when you quit it
2015-05-21T07:20:38 < dongs> haha
2015-05-21T07:20:42 < emeb_mac> how's it compare to true altium?
2015-05-21T07:20:43 < dongs> and it'll save to local file
2015-05-21T07:20:50 < dongs> emeb_mac: i guess same minus highspeed stuff
2015-05-21T07:23:53 < dongs> oh hm
2015-05-21T07:24:07 < dongs> maybe it loads up altidong (real one) via OLE or wahtever windows shit
2015-05-21T07:30:50 < emeb_mac> sneaky
2015-05-21T07:31:38 < dongs> oh never mind. it is  circuitmakear doing open + save
2015-05-21T07:31:42 < dongs> might be worth a try on a clean system
2015-05-21T07:31:57 < dongs> if you drop prjpcb (altidong project) on it, it'll start altium
2015-05-21T07:32:04 < dongs> but schdoc it opens + saves directly
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2015-05-21T08:03:44 < DanteA> Igromаn
2015-05-21T08:07:06 < PeterM> [08:51] <kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toolguide-868D-2-in1-SMD-Soldering-Iron-Desoldering-Station-Hot-Air-Rework-Gun-/221733310060 is this any goof?
2015-05-21T08:07:11 < PeterM> it makes hot air
2015-05-21T08:07:56 < PeterM> i've got one, it works, but i mean, it just makes hot air, its prtty hard to fuck that up
2015-05-21T08:16:08 < ReadError> i have the 858d
2015-05-21T08:16:13 < ReadError> for 50$ its hard to beat
2015-05-21T08:16:36 < ReadError> then some stupid auyoe or w/e shit that sits in a closet
2015-05-21T08:23:58 < PeterM> as i said though, it makes hot air, its pretty hard to fuck it up
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2015-05-21T08:43:53 < dongs> rofl
2015-05-21T08:43:59 < dongs> jpa-: i made wolfjanim ragequit
2015-05-21T08:44:20 < dongs> or not, he was jsut quitting so he can ban me.
2015-05-21T08:45:05 < dongs> that  stupid fuck was trying to tell me I need millimiter-matching on USB-FS trace length
2015-05-21T08:45:15 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-05-21T08:45:16 < dongs> when I linked him to a fucking spec that says it can be up to 45 millimiters
2015-05-21T08:45:22 < dongs> of skew
2015-05-21T08:45:27 < dongs> so his next step was to ban me
2015-05-21T08:45:40 < emeb_mac> "you make hulk saaaad"
2015-05-21T08:45:42 < PeterM> what channel is this? ##electronics or soem shit?
2015-05-21T08:46:10 < dongs> PeterM: no, his stoner 3dprinter channel
2015-05-21T08:46:16 < dongs> not worth the effort
2015-05-21T08:46:23 < PeterM> oh, probably just as trash as ##electronics
2015-05-21T08:46:29 < dongs> worse, cuz they're all experts
2015-05-21T08:46:34 < PeterM> lold
2015-05-21T08:47:20 < PeterM> also, pretty mucjh anything that you can use a cable over say... 50cm long doesn't *need* millimeter matching because there could easily be that much difference in jkust the cable
2015-05-21T08:47:29 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-21T08:47:49 < dongs> like i said...  usb-fs spec, 400ps (60mm) total skew allowed
2015-05-21T08:47:57 < dongs> 100ps of that is allowed for cable mismatch
2015-05-21T08:48:01 < PeterM> you could use fuckkin coathangers for that
2015-05-21T08:48:01 < dongs> leaving 300 for boad mismatch
2015-05-21T08:50:03 < dongs> oh well
2015-05-21T08:50:15 < dongs> i think jpa- had some run-ins with that guy as well
2015-05-21T08:50:19 < dongs> he just hates being wrong
2015-05-21T08:51:39 < PeterM> he must frequent a diner, to keep his assburgers full
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2015-05-21T09:45:37 < ReadError> http://www.himodel.com/FPV_Telemetry/Dualsky_Flight_Controller_FC451_Suit_for_200-300mm_multi-copter.html
2015-05-21T09:45:44 < ReadError> might as well give up now dongs
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2015-05-21T09:46:49 < dongs> pots? what the fuck
2015-05-21T09:46:51 < dongs> 1996 called
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2015-05-21T09:57:58 < stukdev> dongs: about dfu i've a little problem using dfu file manager v3.0.4, i think have some bugs, i use v3.0.3 and works very well
2015-05-21T09:59:19 < dongs> im using wahtever was on ST site and it was ok
2015-05-21T10:00:13 < stukdev> dongs: me too, but version 3.0.4 have some problem, one is create a dfu from hex file, with 3.0.4 don't work
2015-05-21T10:00:56 < dongs> you ahve to give dfu name + select params before clicking hex or s19 buttonm
2015-05-21T10:01:19 < PeterM> ReadError, DAFUQ
2015-05-21T10:03:59 < stukdev> dongs: what param? the problem is a pop up that show unable to create dfu image. i read on forum its a bug, and will correct in the next release
2015-05-21T10:04:43 < stukdev> https://goo.gl/VjGtp4
2015-05-21T10:04:48 < PeterM> $28!?!?
2015-05-21T10:05:07 < dongs> PeterM: well, its china.
2015-05-21T10:05:09 < dongs> nice case tho
2015-05-21T10:05:19 < dongs> but that price is nothing special, they've been sold at around that anyway
2015-05-21T10:05:33 < dongs> tehre was a similar shit in a plsatic case
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2015-05-21T10:06:54 < ReadError> "Original advanced attitude algorithm, better than open source products"
2015-05-21T10:06:55 < PeterM> no i mean holy shit thats expensive
2015-05-21T10:07:02 < dongs> LOL
2015-05-21T10:07:06 < dongs> < ReadError> "Original advanced attitude algorithm, better than open source products"
2015-05-21T10:07:09 < dongs> you mean
2015-05-21T10:07:11 < dongs> stolen from opensource products
2015-05-21T10:10:55 < dongs> o yea t he china superfast is here
2015-05-21T10:11:00 < dongs> looks very quality
2015-05-21T10:11:17 < dongs> AC cable is silicone
2015-05-21T10:11:21 < dongs> very soft/bendy
2015-05-21T10:12:49 < PeterM> that also could be because the wire inside is like 0.1mm and its 90% plastic
2015-05-21T10:13:27 < dongs> pssh
2015-05-21T10:13:30 < dongs> stop hate
2015-05-21T10:15:35 < PeterM> nah mang i just wanna see whats inside this superfast
2015-05-21T10:15:49 < dongs> o yea
2015-05-21T10:15:52 < dongs> i suppose i cant take it apart
2015-05-21T10:16:04 < dongs> i'd need to stop fapping tho
2015-05-21T10:16:24 < dongs> hm not sure how this trash is uspposed to come apart
2015-05-21T10:16:33 < dongs> im guessing clips around case somewhre
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2015-05-21T10:36:10 < stukdev> it' sincredible st bootloader have the problem of the boot0 pin...is there a way to start from bootloader?
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2015-05-21T10:37:19 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32746G-EVAL2/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuo%252bmZx5g6tFPAFZLBxgFZ6K%2fhwk5zo1co%3d
2015-05-21T10:37:22 < ReadError> is this new?
2015-05-21T10:45:16 < qyx_> 746? probably
2015-05-21T10:47:19 < Peter_M> Factory Lead-Time:	14 Weeks
2015-05-21T10:47:33 < Peter_M> i guess its going to be new for  the next 3 months too
2015-05-21T10:47:52 < ReadError> odd that theres nothing on st.com about it
2015-05-21T10:50:54 < Peter_M> i figure its http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1858/LN1902/PF260794
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2015-05-21T10:57:07 < dongs> cool url
2015-05-21T10:57:20 < dongs> l1 cache, nice
2015-05-21T10:58:12 < ReadError> Peter_M for the eval board
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2015-05-21T10:59:43 < jpa-> dongs: luls
2015-05-21T11:00:22 < jpa-> dongs: arguing with wolfmanjm is fun, only sad thing is you can't keep at it for long because he bans or ragequits so easily :)
2015-05-21T11:03:04 < Peter_M> ReadError, yeah no idea, but probably uses that micro
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2015-05-21T11:16:02 < dongs> ya
2015-05-21T11:16:04 < dongs> guy is a real dick
2015-05-21T11:16:10 < dongs> i mean I'm a dick, but he has serious issues
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2015-05-21T11:17:28 < jpa-> dunno how much influence he has among the 3d printer dudes, seems to be quite productive anyway
2015-05-21T11:18:40 < dongs> productive at raging
2015-05-21T11:19:00 < jpa-> and writing ragecomments
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2015-05-21T11:21:09 < dongs> in code?
2015-05-21T11:21:37 < jpa-> yeah
2015-05-21T11:22:46 < jpa-> not as bad as lunix kernel though :P
2015-05-21T11:23:03 < Laurenceb_> haha
2015-05-21T11:23:19 < Laurenceb_> lunix is impossible to read
2015-05-21T11:24:10 < Laurenceb_> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/15/05/21/0139212/secret-files-reveal-uk-police-feared-that-trekkies-could-turn-on-society
2015-05-21T11:24:45 < jpa-> they'd probably be better than the current uk government anyway
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2015-05-21T12:46:45 < stukdev> hey guy a ittle information  about a naming in english. I have a motor cylinder, and i need move until the cyclynder get the zero position. I can do this in 3 mode, with an encoder, with a sensore, and last untile the motor hit the 0 position. This last execution how is call in english? hard homing?
2015-05-21T12:47:20 < stukdev> the only terms i foudn is "bump up agains an hard stop" but i think there's a technical name of this operation
2015-05-21T12:48:51 < dongs> homing maybe yeah
2015-05-21T12:49:44 < stukdev> mmm maybe its called homing hard stop
2015-05-21T12:49:52 < stukdev> dongs: http://granitedevices.com/wiki/Hard-stop_homing
2015-05-21T12:56:24 < jpa-> stukdev: i would call it "homing against mechanical limit"
2015-05-21T13:00:12 < stukdev> jpa-: ok
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2015-05-21T13:04:52 < ReadError> if its a machine '0 position' its homing
2015-05-21T13:05:06 < ReadError> if its a '0 position' in reference to the part, its 'touch off'
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2015-05-21T13:06:42 < jpa-> i wouldn't dare to do touch off without a sensor :P
2015-05-21T13:10:18 < ReadError> you can use a spindle probe inside the cylinder and touchoff from that though
2015-05-21T13:10:44 < ReadError> w/ some gcode to hit 4 sides
2015-05-21T13:11:00 < ReadError> or homing sequence I guess..
2015-05-21T13:11:26 < _Sync_> jpa-: you could watch motor torque
2015-05-21T13:11:33 < _Sync_> and just have a bar in the spindle
2015-05-21T13:12:10 < ReadError> torque from the servo/steppers?
2015-05-21T13:18:38 < _Sync_> servos ofc
2015-05-21T13:18:48 < _Sync_> nobody has a serious mill with steppers
2015-05-21T13:20:12 < dongs> is servo like a stepper running lunix??????????
2015-05-21T13:20:50 < _Sync_> dongs: try harder
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2015-05-21T13:39:35 < Laurenceb__> _Sync_ yeah but perman00bs run 3d printers with steppers
2015-05-21T13:42:11 < jpa-> because it works (tm)
2015-05-21T13:42:25 < dongs> lunix "works"
2015-05-21T13:42:32 < jpa-> yeah, we use that also
2015-05-21T13:42:54 < jpa-> also where is tectu
2015-05-21T13:45:46 < dongs> prettying up in front of kawaii pinku mirror
2015-05-21T13:46:24 < Laurenceb__> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/83133000/jpg/_83133392_466d8f64-9716-49b2-8954-686eed64f92c.jpg
2015-05-21T13:46:26 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-05-21T13:46:49 < Laurenceb__> clarkson is much closer or has massively bigger head?
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2015-05-21T14:28:21 < englishman> dongs: that wolfmanjm guy also told me software backlash compensation doesnt exist and is impossible. and if your machine has backlash you should fix it
2015-05-21T14:28:49 < jpa-> i would actually agree with that :P
2015-05-21T14:28:49 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-05-21T14:28:57 < Laurenceb__> its semi fixable in software
2015-05-21T14:28:59 < jpa-> the latter part that is
2015-05-21T14:29:08 < Laurenceb__> lol me too
2015-05-21T14:29:26 < Laurenceb__> software fix can reduce the problem a lot but not fix it
2015-05-21T14:29:38 < jpa-> yeh
2015-05-21T14:30:17 < jpa-> on the other hand, when his software has bugs his opinion is that HW should be changed to compensate :)
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2015-05-21T14:33:26 < dongs> ya hes never wrong
2015-05-21T14:35:15 < ReadError> thats why i told h3nk not to use that trash englishman
2015-05-21T14:36:34 < englishman> ya seems like typical hostile opensores proj
2015-05-21T14:37:13 < jpa-> seems like just one hostile guy ruining the whole project
2015-05-21T14:39:49 < Laurenceb__> i blame the patriarchy
2015-05-21T14:41:02 < jpa-> plot-twist: wolfmanjm is Laurenceb's father
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2015-05-21T16:50:05 < GargantuaSauce> http://i.imgur.com/zMh8GKK.jpg
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2015-05-21T16:57:45 < dongs> looks good
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2015-05-21T16:59:41 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: https://img1.etsystatic.com/048/0/9190223/il_570xN.676114071_c6n2.jpg
2015-05-21T17:01:03 < GargantuaSauce> early teledildonics apparatus?
2015-05-21T17:01:45 < dongs> no, differnet view of your pic
2015-05-21T17:02:45 < karlp> what's a relaxacisor?
2015-05-21T17:02:58 < dongs> anus probes
2015-05-21T17:05:52 < Laurenceb__> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61u5EtZn09L._SX522_.jpg
2015-05-21T17:06:53 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20150521_151257.jpg
2015-05-21T17:07:11 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20150521_153627.jpg
2015-05-21T17:09:47 < yots> hey, does anyone have experience with CAN error registers on the stm32f10x?
2015-05-21T17:10:40 < yots> I'm trying to clear whatever bits so the interrupt goes away, but no success so far
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2015-05-21T17:23:57 < dongs> have you looked at reference manual or just stm32f_can.c or whatever in stdperiph?
2015-05-21T17:24:05 < dongs> shit, theres even a coupel can examples in stdperiph lib
2015-05-21T17:27:26 < yots> dongs: I have, however it seems that their function to clear on CAN_ESR don't actually make sense. The bits are not being cleared and the reference manual doesn't really say it's writable
2015-05-21T17:27:37 < dongs> is this in ISR?
2015-05-21T17:27:45 < dongs> shouldnt there be some IT_xxx bits to clear?
2015-05-21T17:28:00 < dongs> I'll be fucking with CAN on F3 very soon but I havent looked at it extensively yet
2015-05-21T17:28:27 < yots> yeah, I'm using their CAN_ClearITPendingBit, calling each relevant flag separately
2015-05-21T17:28:38 < yots> (the function doesn't support ORing bits)
2015-05-21T17:29:10 < yots> the same method works fine on the RX IRQ
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2015-05-21T17:31:08 < dongs> hm I don't see e xamples clearing bits in RX IRQ
2015-05-21T17:31:09 < zyp> which bit specifically is it it doesn't work for?
2015-05-21T17:31:13 < zyp> ERRI?
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2015-05-21T17:31:35 < zyp> oh, wait, ESR
2015-05-21T17:31:41 < yots> ok, why don't I take a look at the examples then
2015-05-21T17:31:51 < dongs> is there even a can tx irq?
2015-05-21T17:31:56 < dongs> all exampels I see only use RX irq
2015-05-21T17:32:07 < yots> I was referring to the rx, but yes there's also a tx
2015-05-21T17:32:15 < dongs> RX exampels dont clear it
2015-05-21T17:32:18 < zyp> I guess you're just supposed to clear ERRI in MSR
2015-05-21T17:32:21 < dongs> maybe CAN_Recveive does
2015-05-21T17:32:28 < zyp> since the bits in ESR aren't clearable
2015-05-21T17:32:49 < dongs> nope, it doens't either. oh wel.
2015-05-21T17:32:54 < dongs> thats as much as I know without looking further.
2015-05-21T17:33:48 < yots> zyp: right, looks promising. I was just wondering what the hell's wrong since their library tries to clear bits on ESR
2015-05-21T17:34:49 < zyp> LEC is clearable
2015-05-21T17:34:55 < zyp> everything else is read only
2015-05-21T17:35:38 < dongs> bedtime
2015-05-21T17:35:53 < zyp> yots, have you read the error management section?
2015-05-21T17:36:44 < zyp> as far as I can understand, the hardware will handle errors by itself, unless TEC overflows, which will turn off the bus
2015-05-21T17:37:04 < yots> zyp: I did, it's just not very clear or detailed
2015-05-21T17:37:23 < yots> yup - but I'm trying to get an interrupt on changes to LEC
2015-05-21T17:37:30 < yots> which is possible
2015-05-21T17:37:33 < zyp> sure
2015-05-21T17:37:43 < zyp> and then you just clear MSR to acknowledge that
2015-05-21T17:37:57 < yots> yeah, let's see if the MSR ERRI clearing works :p
2015-05-21T17:39:18 < zyp> as far as I read this, the reason you can't clear it is because the error counters will count up and down automatically
2015-05-21T17:39:46 < zyp> error handling is done in hardware, because CAN spec defines how it should be done
2015-05-21T17:40:13 < zyp> so the only time you need to do anything is when you get so many errors that the counters overflow
2015-05-21T17:44:31 < yots> yes, I know, and it makes perfect sense - but I still want to handle the LEC irq. I tried clearing the ERRI now (which isn't defined in the library btw) and it won't clear :(
2015-05-21T17:45:06 < zyp> how are you going to handle it?
2015-05-21T17:45:41 < zyp> what do you mean «won't clear»?
2015-05-21T17:45:44 < yots> well for now I simply want to print it's value
2015-05-21T17:45:51 < yots> to print new error states
2015-05-21T17:45:56 < zyp> RM defines it as an rc_w1 bit
2015-05-21T17:46:11 < zyp> so clearing it should be as easy as writing a one to it
2015-05-21T17:46:38 < yots> oh. so not a zero
2015-05-21T17:46:46 < yots> ?
2015-05-21T17:46:50 < zyp> correct
2015-05-21T17:46:53 < zyp> read the RM
2015-05-21T17:47:32 < zyp> what the standard library does is irrelevant, the RM is the definitive documentation
2015-05-21T17:48:02 < yots> I apologize, it's my first encounter with a _w1 flag on this platform
2015-05-21T17:48:03 < yots> :P
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2015-05-21T17:48:36 < zyp> lots of clearable status flags are rc_w1, it makes much more sense than rc_w0
2015-05-21T17:48:57 < yots> how come?
2015-05-21T17:49:25 < gxti> you take the value you read out and write it back and it only clears the things you saw.
2015-05-21T17:49:35 < gxti> if some other flag got set a cycle after you read it, it doesn't get lost
2015-05-21T17:49:47 < zyp> yeah, or even just write a single register
2015-05-21T17:50:07 < gxti> you can still do that with w0 but you have to invert the value first, and someone who is not careful will just "= 0"
2015-05-21T17:50:18 < zyp> correct
2015-05-21T17:50:40 < zyp> or even do an RMW like &= ~flag
2015-05-21T17:50:56 < zyp> either has the possibility to create a race condition
2015-05-21T17:51:04 < yots> yeah that's what I was doing previously. thank you, it does seem to work now!
2015-05-21T17:52:44 < zyp> rc_w1 is preferrable imply because it doesn't encourage bad practice that leads to race conditions
2015-05-21T17:57:31 < yots> appreciate your patience
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2015-05-21T22:12:51 < kakimir> hello jews
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2015-05-21T22:25:46 < Steffanx> did you enjoy the eurovision song contest kakimir?
2015-05-21T22:26:08 < kakimir> is it running atm?
2015-05-21T22:27:50 < kakimir> it is
2015-05-21T22:27:57 < kakimir> no I don't
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2015-05-21T22:52:41 < Laurenceb_> wooot
2015-05-21T22:52:45 < Laurenceb_> I'm officially fired
2015-05-21T22:52:53 < Laurenceb_> jobseeker tiem
2015-05-21T22:56:16 < kakimir> why you fires?
2015-05-21T22:57:14 < Laurenceb_> employer ran out of funding :D
2015-05-21T22:57:44 < Laurenceb_> looks like they are going to go bankrupt soon, they arent renewing my contract once it expires at end of the month
2015-05-21T22:58:08 < Laurenceb_> lovely advance notice :P
2015-05-21T22:58:10 < Laurenceb_>  /jk
2015-05-21T22:59:31 < Laurenceb_> now i can be as cool as zyp
2015-05-21T23:01:07 < Laurenceb_> today someone asked me if i wanted to be a named inventor on a paper called "A novel anal probe"
2015-05-21T23:04:04 < kakimir> it's time to drive your van to office and loot
2015-05-21T23:04:30 < Laurenceb_> yup thats the plan
2015-05-21T23:04:44 < Laurenceb_> s/paper/patent
2015-05-21T23:05:31 < kakimir> before investors walk in and loot
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2015-05-21T23:06:58 < englishman> i hear zano is hiring
2015-05-21T23:07:29 < englishman> maybe you can tell them whats what
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2015-05-21T23:18:58 < Laurenceb_> ahaahaha
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2015-05-21T23:21:15 < Geleia> I'm trying to do DMA from GPIO to Memory in STM32F103 using a timer for trigger
2015-05-21T23:21:48 < Geleia> but I get some glitches every now and then (every 18µs at 2MHz)
2015-05-21T23:22:15 < Laurenceb_> whats the processor clock speed?
2015-05-21T23:22:24 < Geleia> if I set the DMA to m2m, I can't control the speed, and it goes to 8MHz sampling without glitches
2015-05-21T23:22:29 < Geleia> 72MHz
2015-05-21T23:22:38 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-05-21T23:22:48 < Laurenceb_> maybe its some sort of bus contention issue
2015-05-21T23:23:06 < Geleia> yep, I was thinking so until I tried M2M
2015-05-21T23:23:25 < Geleia> why can M2M go way to 8MHz and I can't do 2MHz without it?
2015-05-21T23:23:43 < Geleia> I've tried putting the core to sleep while the DMA is ongoing, but it didn't work too
2015-05-21T23:23:59 < bvernoux> F103 is probably limited
2015-05-21T23:24:14 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-05-21T23:24:15 < bvernoux> the best is to have dedicated bank as dest
2015-05-21T23:24:22 < c10ud> afair gpio is m2m
2015-05-21T23:24:33 < Laurenceb_> i dunno then, maybe its not a contention
2015-05-21T23:24:33 < bvernoux> as MCU have top priority on everything and stop DMA
2015-05-21T23:24:48 < bvernoux> if MCU use same bank it freeze the DMA
2015-05-21T23:24:50 < Laurenceb_> what do you mean by a glitch?
2015-05-21T23:24:55 < Geleia> bvernoux: that's why I tried putting the core in sleep while the DMA is ongoing
2015-05-21T23:25:12 < bvernoux> Geleia, maybe it's not supported on F1
2015-05-21T23:25:16 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: I'll take a SS
2015-05-21T23:25:19 < bvernoux> I know it work fine on F405
2015-05-21T23:25:41 < bvernoux> Geleia, which instruction are you using for the sleep ?
2015-05-21T23:26:03 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: http://yakumo.lzzbr.com/temp/glitch.png
2015-05-21T23:26:06 < Laurenceb_> oh, gpio dma is glitchy on F1  ?
2015-05-21T23:26:14 < Geleia> __WFI()
2015-05-21T23:26:42 < Laurenceb_> thats logic analyser of dma from memory to gpio?
2015-05-21T23:26:44 < bvernoux> are you sure the glitch does not corresponds to an interrupt wakeup
2015-05-21T23:26:47 < bvernoux> like a timer ?
2015-05-21T23:27:11 < Geleia> the only interrupt I have enabled is the DMA TC
2015-05-21T23:27:17 < Geleia> and the sysclock?
2015-05-21T23:27:17 < bvernoux> ha ok
2015-05-21T23:27:22 < bvernoux> yes sysclock
2015-05-21T23:27:28 < Geleia> I've tried not setting it up
2015-05-21T23:27:31 < bvernoux> it will wakeup the Core
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2015-05-21T23:27:40 < Geleia> hmmm
2015-05-21T23:27:55 < bvernoux> WFI wait ANY IRQ
2015-05-21T23:27:58 < Geleia> maybe I forgot to disable sysclock when I put the core to sleep
2015-05-21T23:28:07 < Geleia> I'll try it now
2015-05-21T23:28:11 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: yep
2015-05-21T23:28:32 < bvernoux> Geleia, if you have not enough perf for that switch to LPC43xx ;)
2015-05-21T23:28:44 < Geleia> perf?
2015-05-21T23:28:48 < Geleia> ah
2015-05-21T23:28:50 < Geleia> nvm
2015-05-21T23:28:50 < bvernoux> dual core really help doing such stuff ;)
2015-05-21T23:29:06 < Geleia> I wish to have the best I can with THIS MCU
2015-05-21T23:29:07 < bvernoux> or even the best for that is SGPIO
2015-05-21T23:29:12 < Geleia> as it's really really cheap
2015-05-21T23:29:19 < bvernoux> ha yes ;)
2015-05-21T23:29:24 < Geleia> otherwise I was using a better MCU
2015-05-21T23:29:40 < Geleia> I have a couple of STM32F4 around here
2015-05-21T23:29:52 < bvernoux> it's true F4 are very expensive ...
2015-05-21T23:30:06 < bvernoux> except their new 100MHz version which is cheaper
2015-05-21T23:30:12 < zyp> uh
2015-05-21T23:30:26 < zyp> last I checked, lpc43xx were more expensive than stm32f4
2015-05-21T23:30:38 < bvernoux> zyp, check again the flash less version ;)
2015-05-21T23:30:41 < bvernoux> less than 5USD
2015-05-21T23:30:45 < Laurenceb_> I suspect its some coding error
2015-05-21T23:30:59 < Laurenceb_> I have projects that really push F1 DMA to the limit and I dont have issues
2015-05-21T23:31:02 < bvernoux> zyp, lpc4370 FET100 => less than 5USD
2015-05-21T23:31:13 < bvernoux> and QuadSPI cost is 0.5USD ;)
2015-05-21T23:31:15 < Laurenceb_> tho it might be related to GPIO, I've never tried that at high rates
2015-05-21T23:31:29 < bvernoux> and you have 2MB flash
2015-05-21T23:31:42 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: what's bugging me is that M2M it works alright, but when triggered by the timer it does not
2015-05-21T23:31:49 < bvernoux> but yes running code from SPIFI is not recommended too slow and internal cache is only 256Bytes
2015-05-21T23:31:50 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-05-21T23:31:54 < zyp> bvernoux, where? at what qty?
2015-05-21T23:31:58 < zyp> looks like $10 to me
2015-05-21T23:32:07 < Laurenceb_> Geleia: are you 100% sure there isnt a stupid bug somewhere in your code?
2015-05-21T23:32:16 < Laurenceb_> it might be hiding in plane sight
2015-05-21T23:32:27 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: if there's a stupid bug somewhere, I'm a retard
2015-05-21T23:32:40 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2015-05-21T23:32:40 < Geleia> cause I've been looking into this for the last 2 days when I have the time ;-;
2015-05-21T23:32:46 < bvernoux> http://www.newark.com/nxp/lpc4370fet100e/lpc4370fet100-tfbga100-traybdp/dp/97W2329?CMP=AFC-OP?gross_price=
2015-05-21T23:32:56 < bvernoux> by 260 => 5.07USD / unit
2015-05-21T23:33:11 < zyp> «Availability:  0»
2015-05-21T23:33:17 < Geleia> I'm waiting for my DSO Nano to charge again to continue looking for something
2015-05-21T23:33:19 < Laurenceb_> Geleia: are you accessing the GPIO elsewhere in your code?
2015-05-21T23:33:28 < bvernoux> zyp, yes we have bought all stocks with airspy
2015-05-21T23:33:33 < Geleia> I'll try __WFI() without setting up the systick
2015-05-21T23:33:34 < bvernoux> zyp, and it's not a joke
2015-05-21T23:33:51 < Laurenceb_> heh i have an airspy
2015-05-21T23:33:54 < zyp> what stocks? it's even nonstock
2015-05-21T23:33:57 < zyp> «Not Normally Stocked»
2015-05-21T23:33:58 < Laurenceb_> linux drivers suck
2015-05-21T23:33:59 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: IIRC I have disabled any other GPIO interaction
2015-05-21T23:34:02 < Laurenceb_> ok
2015-05-21T23:34:09 < bvernoux> zyp, Mouser have
2015-05-21T23:34:16 < zyp> yes, that's where I got the $10 from
2015-05-21T23:34:20 < bvernoux> zyp, but 9.89USD / unit
2015-05-21T23:34:22 < Geleia> and even tried a while loop with nothing inside while the DMA is ongoing
2015-05-21T23:34:33 < bvernoux> zyp, anyway when you see the spec it's very cheap
2015-05-21T23:35:05 < bvernoux> zyp, running code from SRAM in different bank is REALLY 0 waitstate too
2015-05-21T23:35:12 < bvernoux> zyp, 200MHz => 200MIPS
2015-05-21T23:35:24 < zyp> uh
2015-05-21T23:35:24 < bvernoux> except for some instruction or branch ...
2015-05-21T23:35:36 < zyp> heh
2015-05-21T23:35:45 < bvernoux> code & data shalle be carefully set in different banks
2015-05-21T23:35:51 < bvernoux> it's the key of speed ;)
2015-05-21T23:36:04 < bvernoux> else you divide by 2 the performances when you have lot of data access
2015-05-21T23:37:09 < bvernoux> zyp, it will be just a must to have dual M7 + 1 M0 on a future LPC43xx ;)
2015-05-21T23:37:25 < zyp> «must»
2015-05-21T23:37:29 < karlp> urh, I'd forgotten how difficult it was with bvernoux endless musts
2015-05-21T23:37:37 < bvernoux> hehe
2015-05-21T23:37:50 < bvernoux> I always want more and more yes
2015-05-21T23:38:52 < bvernoux> but yes complexity is more and more too
2015-05-21T23:39:00 < bvernoux> LPC4370 is the MOST complex MCU in world
2015-05-21T23:39:55 < zyp> shame their io map sucks
2015-05-21T23:40:06 < bvernoux> yes
2015-05-21T23:40:17 < bvernoux> it's far from perfection for IO especially USB pins
2015-05-21T23:40:23 < bvernoux> and ADC HS pins
2015-05-21T23:40:28 < bvernoux> placement is badddddd
2015-05-21T23:41:22 < bvernoux> but for the price it's just a must have when you need to do fast / complex things
2015-05-21T23:41:36 < bvernoux> like for example SDR which requires hard realtime streaming
2015-05-21T23:42:10 < bvernoux> but for motor control it shall be great too to drive more and more stuff with realtime information output
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2015-05-21T23:42:37 < zyp> eh, having more cores only helps if your application is running multiple independent threads
2015-05-21T23:42:43 < bvernoux> anyway STM32 are better for motor control more PWM/Timer specialized ...
2015-05-21T23:43:13 < zyp> and if many cores is your thing, you could always go xmos :p
2015-05-21T23:43:30 < zyp> actually, xmos has a chip with both cortex-m and a bunch of xmos cores
2015-05-21T23:44:20 < Laurenceb_> you can achieve the same effect by sticking an stm32 into a turd
2015-05-21T23:44:29 < zyp> :D
2015-05-21T23:45:10 < zyp> hmm, I need to dick around a bit with that freescale board I bought
2015-05-21T23:45:13 < bvernoux> also for those who want to know perfs
2015-05-21T23:45:35 < bvernoux> we can reach 8.4Mbauds/s with a FTDI HS + STM32F4 UART + DMA ;)
2015-05-21T23:46:03 < bvernoux> SPI can even faster but it needs to use dll on PC side
2015-05-21T23:46:07 < bvernoux> +be
2015-05-21T23:46:43 < bvernoux> I have updated details here
2015-05-21T23:46:44 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/hydrafw/wiki/HydraFW-UART-guide
2015-05-21T23:47:07 < bvernoux> thanks to Philippe Teuwen he has found a bug at high speed which was even in ST driver ;)
2015-05-21T23:48:58 < Laurenceb_> even in...
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2015-05-22T00:00:26 < Laurenceb_> I once tried to go an a date with Chris Hanson, unfortunately he turned out to be an underage girl
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2015-05-22T00:07:50 < Geleia> Laurenceb_: is that a bad thing?
2015-05-22T00:07:53 < Geleia> >:3
2015-05-22T00:10:38 < Laurenceb_> http://anti-joke.com/
2015-05-22T00:12:38 < karlp> holy fuck, thought I might try the serial layer in chibios instead, what a zoo
2015-05-22T00:13:16 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-05-22T00:13:27 < Laurenceb_> if you just want it to work its quite helpful
2015-05-22T00:14:50 < Laurenceb_> Three blind mice walk into a pub. They are all unaware of their surroundings, so to derive humor from it would be exploitative.
2015-05-22T00:14:51 < Laurenceb_> pmsl
2015-05-22T00:19:23 < karlp> how the fuck are you meant to wokr out what the EVENT_MASK(x) magic is if you want events on a stream?
2015-05-22T00:20:59 < Laurenceb_> haha that
2015-05-22T00:21:04 < Laurenceb_> read the source
2015-05-22T00:21:48 < karlp> the source just says, "the mask"
2015-05-22T00:22:08 < karlp> I'm pretty close to just saying, "nope, chibios is worthless"
2015-05-22T00:22:21 < karlp> it's got wonderful pictures in the docs,
2015-05-22T00:22:27 < karlp> but nothing actually useful in the docs
2015-05-22T00:27:15 < Laurenceb_> well the HAL is nice, but its a bit limiting
2015-05-22T00:27:19 < Laurenceb_> like all HAL stuff
2015-05-22T00:27:28 < Laurenceb_> but there is nothing to say you cant just use the kernel
2015-05-22T00:27:50 < Laurenceb_> its by far the nicest RTOS I've ever tried to use
2015-05-22T00:27:58 < karlp> yeah, might do that demo too, but the whole point was to "use chibios"
2015-05-22T00:28:20 < karlp> I'm finding it's docs, and particulary it's demos, to be vastly inferior to freertos so far
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2015-05-22T00:32:20 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-05-22T00:32:29 < Laurenceb_> i gave up on using freertos
2015-05-22T00:34:05 < GargantuaSauce> [17:08:33] <Laurenceb_> today someone asked me if i wanted to be a named inventor on a paper called "A novel anal probe"
2015-05-22T00:34:07 < karlp> https://pastee.org/8spf7
2015-05-22T00:34:10 < GargantuaSauce> LIVING THE DREAM
2015-05-22T00:35:09 < _Sync_> Laurenceb_: 11/9 would have name on paper
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2015-05-22T01:04:47 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: I found a combination of docs and demo code to be enough for most stuff
2015-05-22T01:04:54 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: If you ask on the forum you'll probably get an answer (as long as you don't flame them ;)
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2015-05-22T01:23:27 < dongs> this new altidong is pretty shit
2015-05-22T01:23:33 < dongs> trying to quit it, and it crashes on exit
2015-05-22T01:23:42 < dongs> Exception Occurred In
2015-05-22T01:23:42 < dongs> QuitFromEDAClient
2015-05-22T01:23:54 < dongs> so i cant fucking exit it
2015-05-22T01:24:51 < englishman> my shit crashed too entering 3d mode
2015-05-22T01:25:00 < englishman> only lost ~5min work but still
2015-05-22T01:25:06 < dongs> eh, never done that
2015-05-22T01:25:15 < dongs> actually 15.0.whatever latest i was on has been super stable
2015-05-22T01:25:19 < englishman> ya same
2015-05-22T01:25:26 < englishman> no wonder theyre alread on 1.9
2015-05-22T01:25:28 < dongs> 15,1 is kinda doge
2015-05-22T01:25:38 < englishman> kinda dogey
2015-05-22T01:26:03 < dongs> well, fuck, whatever, even closed everythign and STILL cant quit it
2015-05-22T01:26:05 < dongs> killtask tiem
2015-05-22T01:26:15 < dongs> i woke up today to 32 out of 32gb memory used
2015-05-22T01:26:25 < dongs> and shit swapping 120gb of junk to a spinning rust disk
2015-05-22T01:26:33 < dongs> fucking nvidia driver shitted itself I guess
2015-05-22T01:29:36 < kakimir> lunix?
2015-05-22T01:29:58 < dongs> no, thats business as usual for lunix
2015-05-22T01:30:01 < dongs> this is windows.
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2015-05-22T01:37:45 < kakimir> i was
2015-05-22T01:37:57 < kakimir> but nowdays you don't even know it's there
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2015-05-22T02:49:14 < englishman> dongs: wtf http://i.imgur.com/kPQXQhS.jpg
2015-05-22T02:49:21 < englishman> theyre greyed out and i cant dick them
2015-05-22T02:49:55 < dongs> .'template'
2015-05-22T02:50:13 < dongs> now tehres new via template stuff
2015-05-22T02:50:17 < englishman> ah
2015-05-22T02:50:22 < englishman> so i cant dick on the fly
2015-05-22T02:50:31 < dongs> you can, on mine its editable
2015-05-22T02:50:35 < dongs> is this when you pv and hit tab?
2015-05-22T02:50:55 < dongs> or is this editing exisitng one or something
2015-05-22T02:51:00 < englishman> routing, tab
2015-05-22T02:51:52 < dongs> yes ooks like during routing its locked
2015-05-22T02:52:10 < dongs> during PV you can edit it
2015-05-22T02:52:14 < dongs> which will add a new via template
2015-05-22T02:52:17 < dongs> (if you cahnge size)
2015-05-22T02:52:27 < dongs> which you can later select in route+tab
2015-05-22T02:52:37 < englishman> okey
2015-05-22T02:52:38 < dongs> there's probably a generic via template dialog shit now but I havent looked
2015-05-22T02:52:42 < dongs> since it doesnt bother me yet
2015-05-22T02:52:53 < englishman> there is but theres 10,000 defaults
2015-05-22T02:53:08 < dongs> i just use .3/.5 vias and not care
2015-05-22T02:53:12 < englishman> yep
2015-05-22T02:57:34 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/570665058/doge-needed
2015-05-22T02:57:53 < dongs> what's a contend creation
2015-05-22T02:58:03 < englishman> My project will be to make (Meme) Videos of the doge (Shiba inu) and share it over youtube so everybody can laugh.
2015-05-22T02:58:04 < englishman> content
2015-05-22T02:58:28 < englishman> My creativity is infinite,But money is not.
2015-05-22T02:58:28 < englishman> I hope Kick-Starter will be a game changer !
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2015-05-22T03:57:05 < Austin___> Looking at the STM32F030K6, i can use pins 2 & 3 as GPIO right?
2015-05-22T03:57:08 < Austin___> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00088500.pdf
2015-05-22T03:57:19 < Austin___> for the LQFP32 package
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2015-05-22T04:18:31 < englishman> R2COM: wat is point of headtracker in arma? isnt it a fps?
2015-05-22T04:19:12 < englishman> but if you move your head, you're not looking at your screen anymore?
2015-05-22T04:19:19 < englishman> isnt that what strafe is for
2015-05-22T04:19:46 < englishman> oh so its like mechwarrior
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2015-05-22T04:20:15 < englishman> maybe you need wrap-around several screens
2015-05-22T04:20:32 < englishman> or optimus prime whatever that goggles are called
2015-05-22T04:20:40 < englishman> oculus prime
2015-05-22T04:20:58 < englishman> well then cool
2015-05-22T04:21:10 < englishman> i know a dude who is working on that stuff now
2015-05-22T04:21:21 < englishman> imu-based tho
2015-05-22T04:21:39 < englishman> oh cool
2015-05-22T04:22:05 < englishman> so you totally look liek richard simmons dancing around while playing
2015-05-22T04:23:24 < dongs> yeah why not just get a fucking VR headset
2015-05-22T04:23:32 < dongs> so you can puke into your RGB backlit keyboard
2015-05-22T04:24:17 < dongs> I got those LG G2 Pro screens
2015-05-22T04:24:21 < dongs> 6" 1080p
2015-05-22T04:24:27 < dongs> now need to make adapter board for that shit
2015-05-22T04:24:46 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-22T04:24:55 < dongs> around that it was.
2015-05-22T04:25:18 < dongs> well, those i already have
2015-05-22T04:25:24 < dongs> the LG thing is new, i wanna try interfacing to it
2015-05-22T04:25:50 < englishman> isnt the steam vr just a shitty ripoff of castAR
2015-05-22T04:26:38 < englishman> dongs any word on chromebook pixel panelz
2015-05-22T04:26:59 < dongs> englishman: need to rotate eDP connector by 90" then its ready 2 go
2015-05-22T04:27:09 < englishman> can haz>
2015-05-22T04:27:15 < englishman> perfect to complement two new 4k screenz
2015-05-22T04:28:51 < englishman> gonna order 2415q tomorrow
2015-05-22T04:29:02 < englishman> once dongs sells me a nvs510
2015-05-22T04:29:30 < englishman> why so huge
2015-05-22T04:29:43 < dongs> 27" is really retarded
2015-05-22T04:29:44 < englishman> same pixel density as 2011 phone
2015-05-22T04:30:14 < englishman> and they are only $50 more each
2015-05-22T04:34:10 < ReadError> 24"
2015-05-22T04:34:16 < ReadError> 24" seems too small for 4k
2015-05-22T04:34:53 < dongs> except its perfectly fine
2015-05-22T04:35:26 < dongs> uh of course I need 4k
2015-05-22T04:35:29 < dongs> for that exact reason
2015-05-22T04:35:36 < dongs> to see more hsit!
2015-05-22T04:35:38 < dongs> shit, too
2015-05-22T04:35:50 < dongs> yes and?
2015-05-22T04:35:54 < dongs> i have eyes
2015-05-22T04:35:57 < dongs> i can see smal lstuff
2015-05-22T04:36:18 < dongs> no you wotn
2015-05-22T04:36:24 < dongs> pssh
2015-05-22T04:37:37 < englishman> lower eye movement angles = faster subject acquisition
2015-05-22T04:38:55 < englishman> but runs lunix for over 9000ns lag
2015-05-22T04:39:00 < ReadError> idk text is already pretty tiny on 27", cant imagine it on 24
2015-05-22T04:39:08 < dongs> macos problem
2015-05-22T04:39:15 < dongs> mac os has 2 choices for hidpi
2015-05-22T04:39:17 < dongs> "shit you cant see"
2015-05-22T04:39:30 < dongs> or "lets /4 everythign so you get equivalent of 1080piss but with really sharp fonts"
2015-05-22T04:39:31 < ReadError> HDPI support on win7 is sorta shitty too
2015-05-22T04:39:37 < ReadError> some apps fuck it up
2015-05-22T04:39:44 < dongs> duno man i have no problems
2015-05-22T04:39:47 < dongs> but then again i use 8.1
2015-05-22T04:40:12 < dongs> ts already in beta
2015-05-22T04:40:32 < englishman> will 4k be supported on rpi2
2015-05-22T04:40:47 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/AaGKI.jpg
2015-05-22T04:40:50 < ReadError> @ dongs
2015-05-22T04:41:02 < englishman> R2COM: this is why http://imgur.com/p7eQQK3
2015-05-22T04:42:44 < englishman> does win95 support 4k
2015-05-22T04:43:04 < englishman> i should find my win95 floppies so i can install orcad
2015-05-22T04:43:16 < ReadError> R2COM requesting link to ruski 15.1.9
2015-05-22T04:43:18 < dongs> it will still work
2015-05-22T04:43:24 < dongs> since it only uses DrawLine and GDI
2015-05-22T04:43:26 < dongs> for graphics
2015-05-22T04:43:34 < dongs> so you can enjoy it refreshing entire screen in several seconds
2015-05-22T04:43:36 < dongs> as you scroll
2015-05-22T04:43:53 < dongs> englishman: did you see camtastic gerber viewer in altidong?
2015-05-22T04:43:58 < dongs> thats what orcad PCB view looks like
2015-05-22T04:44:00 < dongs> when you scroll it
2015-05-22T04:44:02 < ReadError> lol
2015-05-22T04:44:07 < ReadError> camtastic is shit
2015-05-22T04:44:10 < ReadError> you zoom in
2015-05-22T04:44:11 < dongs> absolutely
2015-05-22T04:44:13 < ReadError> and shit disappears
2015-05-22T04:44:19 < ReadError> then you have to move it around to see it
2015-05-22T04:45:35 < ReadError> i sorta figured it out
2015-05-22T04:45:43 < ReadError> oh ya I have 1 lingering question
2015-05-22T04:45:50 < ReadError> how the fuck to add a node to a polygon
2015-05-22T04:46:00 < ReadError> why cant i just press 'n' and it puts a lil box
2015-05-22T04:46:28 < ReadError> ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
2015-05-22T04:47:09 < dongs> polygon wat
2015-05-22T04:48:25 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/fSeTb.jpg
2015-05-22T04:48:35 < ReadError> like if I wanted to add another box
2015-05-22T04:48:54 < ReadError> all the google searches involved csv and excel
2015-05-22T04:48:58 < ReadError> and pasting
2015-05-22T04:50:07 < dongs> uhhh
2015-05-22T04:50:09 < dongs> wuuuut
2015-05-22T04:50:13 < dongs> just drag those white squares
2015-05-22T04:50:28 < dongs> or white blank ones to add more nodes
2015-05-22T04:50:44 < dongs> blank white will add a new node to drag, filled white will drag just that node
2015-05-22T04:51:09 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/CTaZu.jpg
2015-05-22T04:51:20 < ReadError> like if i wanted to add a box at the start of the green line
2015-05-22T04:51:33 < ReadError> and drag that section up
2015-05-22T04:51:53 < ReadError> figured it would be something easy like, hit 'n' to add a node then magic
2015-05-22T04:52:01 < dongs> wat
2015-05-22T04:52:04 < dongs> what reen line
2015-05-22T04:52:18 < ReadError> the green line in the pic
2015-05-22T04:52:29 < dongs> tehres nothing in green in the pic
2015-05-22T04:52:39 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/CTaZu.jpg ??
2015-05-22T04:52:55 < dongs> ytou just added that
2015-05-22T04:53:11 < dongs> just put mouse on empty space between solid a nd blank white box and drag it left
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2015-05-22T04:55:21 < ReadError> that pic was a bad example
2015-05-22T04:55:28 < ReadError> since yea i could go left
2015-05-22T04:55:28 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/zk4Zw.jpg
2015-05-22T04:55:30 < ReadError> but this
2015-05-22T04:55:38 < ReadError> if I wanted to edit the outline
2015-05-22T04:55:47 < ReadError> theres no way to add 2 nodes to drag just that part up
2015-05-22T04:55:51 < dongs> < dongs> blank white will add a new node to drag, filled white will drag just that node
2015-05-22T04:56:07 < ReadError> how the fuck to add those boxes though
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2015-05-22T04:57:46 < dongs> I TOLD YOU
2015-05-22T04:58:42 < zyp> what dongs say is correct
2015-05-22T04:58:54 < ReadError> are you looking at the one w/ the blue box?
2015-05-22T04:59:18 < ReadError> because if i drag between the solid and blank, it does the hole bottom
2015-05-22T04:59:20 < ReadError> whole*
2015-05-22T04:59:25 < zyp> the non-filled squares in the middle of a line will turn into nodes when you drag them
2015-05-22T05:00:12 < zyp> grab the square directly under blue box, drag it to one corner, grab the next one and drag it to the other, grab the one between them, drag it to one of the upper corners, grab the one on the now diagonal line and drag it to the other upper corner
2015-05-22T05:00:17 < ReadError> ohh
2015-05-22T05:00:21 < zyp> I don't get what you don't get
2015-05-22T05:00:21 < ReadError> you have to shift+space
2015-05-22T05:00:24 < ReadError> to change the mdoe
2015-05-22T05:00:28 < ReadError> mode*
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2015-05-22T05:02:54 < ReadError> idk thats something they could have done better, a simple hotkey to add nodes would have made sense
2015-05-22T05:03:09 < zyp> where would they be added?
2015-05-22T05:03:14 < ReadError> where the mouse is
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2015-05-22T05:04:07 < zyp> I don't see how moving the mouse and pressing a hotkey makes more sense than moving the mouse and dragging a handle to where you want it
2015-05-22T05:05:28 < zyp> and to be honest, I weren't aware that the middle handles had any other mode, I've only ever used them to spawn new nodes, which has always been the default mode for me
2015-05-22T05:08:50 < dongs> if you dont click on the handle, you can just drag that plane horizontally or whatever
2015-05-22T05:09:03 < dongs> if you just click the line connecting [*]----[ ]------[*]
2015-05-22T05:09:21 < zyp> no, default mode is to turn it into a new node
2015-05-22T05:09:41 < dongs> if y ou click +drag the [ ] node, yes
2015-05-22T05:09:49 < dongs> if you click the [*] one it just drags it.
2015-05-22T05:12:52 < zyp> that's what I said
2015-05-22T05:13:05 < dongs> < zyp> no, default mode is to turn it into a new node
2015-05-22T05:13:20 < zyp> 03:59:25 < zyp> the non-filled squares in the middle of a line will turn into nodes when you drag them
2015-05-22T05:13:26 < dongs> o
2015-05-22T05:13:27 < ReadError> yes what you said worked, i just had to shift+space to change the mode
2015-05-22T05:13:27 < dongs> k
2015-05-22T05:13:37 < zyp> anyway, bedtime
2015-05-22T05:13:44 < dongs> youre just a dong
2015-05-22T05:13:51 < dongs> (and cloner)
2015-05-22T05:14:14 < ReadError> ;(
2015-05-22T05:14:45 < ReadError> atleast im not like other cloners that bogart the sources
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2015-05-22T05:15:25 < jadew> it's that time of the year again
2015-05-22T05:15:34 < jadew> when wikipedia asks for donations
2015-05-22T05:15:43 < dongs> ReadError: um, nobody needs your SWJ clone-freeing
2015-05-22T05:15:49 < dongs> er, SJW
2015-05-22T05:15:57 < jadew> what was SJW?
2015-05-22T05:16:07 < dongs> it just makes it easier for retards like clonespy to send off gerbers to china
2015-05-22T05:16:50 < jadew> ah, social justice warrior?
2015-05-22T05:17:51 < dongs> yes
2015-05-22T05:18:16 < ReadError> dongs btw, the chinese have some new OSD shit
2015-05-22T05:18:21 < ReadError> w/ F4 and a max??
2015-05-22T05:18:29 < jadew> is this a thing now? cuz I've just stumbled upon that term a week or so back and I wonder if it's something big or it's just because I watched too many feminist going wild clips on youtube
2015-05-22T05:18:39 < dongs> jadew: the latter
2015-05-22T05:18:50 < dongs> by "feminists" you mean "transgendered game developers"
2015-05-22T05:18:52 < ReadError> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/playuav-osd-on-screen-display-apm-pixhawk-px4-flight-control-support-for-fpv-.html
2015-05-22T05:20:13 < dongs> looks boring
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2015-05-22T05:44:35 < jadew> I donanted earlier
2015-05-22T05:46:56 < jadew> $3 :D
2015-05-22T05:48:44 < jadew> $3 from me, $3 from another gypsie and they buy hosting for a couple of days
2015-05-22T05:48:55 < jadew> or well, for a couple of hours
2015-05-22T05:48:56 < jadew> still
2015-05-22T05:50:05 < jadew> how much did you donate?
2015-05-22T05:50:09 < jadew> and why twice?
2015-05-22T05:56:58  * jadew is playing worms
2015-05-22T05:57:29 < jadew> worms reloaded?
2015-05-22T05:58:24 < jadew> get reloaded
2015-05-22T05:58:58 < jadew> people hate me
2015-05-22T05:59:46 < jadew> much better tho
2015-05-22T06:00:38 < jadew> ok, give me a sec to go pee and I'll buy it
2015-05-22T06:00:51 < jadew> if it's nice, I'll play with you and let you beat me cuz it's going to be my first time
2015-05-22T06:01:04 < englishman> does it support trackIR
2015-05-22T06:01:34 < englishman> whoa
2015-05-22T06:03:08 < jadew> ffs... it's 23 euro
2015-05-22T06:03:29 < jadew> I can donate to wikipedia 7 times! and pay the paypal fees
2015-05-22T06:04:18 < jadew> how come?
2015-05-22T06:05:37 < jadew> the problem is it looks like like worms revolution, which sucked
2015-05-22T06:05:47 < jadew> that one is also newer than reloaded
2015-05-22T06:08:31 < jadew> yeah, I don't like it, sorry
2015-05-22T06:08:50 < jadew> seems to be the same engine they had for worms revolution
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2015-05-22T07:43:08 < dongs> yessss
2015-05-22T07:43:18 < dongs> a couple of my NVS510s are PNY also
2015-05-22T07:43:22 < dongs> fullheight bracket fits!
2015-05-22T07:43:31 < dongs> same dimensions + dp position
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2015-05-22T07:52:50 < PeterM> ReadError, how are you on irc? how do you even manage to work a computer? im reading scrollback about you having trouble moving polygons and im like "this guy must fucking eat paint chips for breakfast or some shit
2015-05-22T07:56:46 < ReadError> moving a polygon?
2015-05-22T07:56:54 < ReadError> I was trying to add nodes
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2015-05-22T08:00:53 < dongs> lmafoooooo
2015-05-22T08:01:16 < PeterM> [14:56] <ReadError> moving a polygon?
2015-05-22T08:01:16 < PeterM> [14:56] <ReadError> I was trying to add nodes
2015-05-22T08:01:24 < PeterM> the process is exactly the fuckign same
2015-05-22T08:01:30 < PeterM> you click the fucking node and move it
2015-05-22T08:01:34 < PeterM> more nodes appear
2015-05-22T08:01:36 < PeterM> the fuck
2015-05-22T08:01:40 < PeterM> is wrong
2015-05-22T08:01:42 < PeterM> withyou
2015-05-22T08:01:48 < ReadError> right, after you HIT SHIFT+SPACE
2015-05-22T08:02:54 < jpa-> PeterM: eh, everyone has trouble with software sometimes
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2015-05-22T08:03:25 < ReadError> and my mom setup my irc client
2015-05-22T08:05:09 < englishman> whats this shift space stuff
2015-05-22T08:05:20 < englishman> i drag the boxes, it makes new corners
2015-05-22T08:05:35 < ReadError> englishman it changes the behavior so you can add new nodes
2015-05-22T08:05:52 < ReadError> if you click a node and hold the button then hit shift space it will do different stuff
2015-05-22T08:05:53 < englishman> no, i think youre missing something
2015-05-22T08:06:01 < ReadError> try it bish
2015-05-22T08:06:06 < englishman> i just did
2015-05-22T08:06:10 < englishman> drag box, new node
2015-05-22T08:06:20 < ReadError> not if you are in another mode
2015-05-22T08:06:24 < englishman> wat mode
2015-05-22T08:06:27 < upgrdman> anyone know what dialect is spoken in Shanghai? manderin?
2015-05-22T08:06:31 < englishman> modes are new to me
2015-05-22T08:06:49 < englishman> drag the [] box not the filled box
2015-05-22T08:06:54 < ReadError> moving edge, breaking edge
2015-05-22T08:07:07 < ReadError> incurving edge
2015-05-22T08:07:10 < englishman> wat
2015-05-22T08:07:18 < dongs> stoner edge
2015-05-22T08:07:32 < englishman> shift+space appears to do nothing
2015-05-22T08:07:37 < englishman> while dragging edge
2015-05-22T08:08:04 < ReadError> no, you click and hold
2015-05-22T08:08:05 < englishman> while dragging corner does stuff
2015-05-22T08:08:10 < ReadError> then hit shift space
2015-05-22T08:08:15 < englishman> but its still apparent youre missing the point
2015-05-22T08:08:15 < ReadError> the popup thing will show the mode
2015-05-22T08:08:31 < englishman> dont drag filled box at corner
2015-05-22T08:08:31 < ReadError> no fucker i just tried, if you are in incurving edge it wont make a new node
2015-05-22T08:08:39 < englishman> drag []  on edge
2015-05-22T08:08:41 < ReadError> im dragging the hollow box
2015-05-22T08:08:56 < englishman> your monitor is not high res enough to hit it apparently
2015-05-22T08:09:01 < dongs> http://www.theenergydetective.com/1000fp I found one of these shits at the office
2015-05-22T08:09:17 < PeterM> you fucking press m>g then click your polygon and mvoe the fuckign nodes how hard can it be
2015-05-22T08:09:51 < englishman> whats that, mg does nothing for me
2015-05-22T08:09:58 < englishman> 15.1 tho
2015-05-22T08:10:07 < PeterM> move>polygon verticie
2015-05-22T08:10:15 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/uzOVu.jpg
2015-05-22T08:10:16 < dongs> you dont even need to do that
2015-05-22T08:10:18 < ReadError> see
2015-05-22T08:10:20 < dongs> you can juts move the fucking vertice.
2015-05-22T08:10:25 < ReadError> if you are in incurving edge
2015-05-22T08:10:32 < ReadError> you can drag and it turns the line purple
2015-05-22T08:10:37 < ReadError> it wont make a new node
2015-05-22T08:10:39 < dongs> select polygon, it already has nodes
2015-05-22T08:11:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/WI52ItN.jpg
2015-05-22T08:11:15 < dongs> this looks like someone's graduation MAKE:r project
2015-05-22T08:14:05 < jpa-> so much space
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2015-05-22T08:18:39 < dongs> englishman: so which nvs you want
2015-05-22T08:20:02 < dongs> never mind found UNOPENED one
2015-05-22T08:20:04 < dongs> you'll jsut have that one
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2015-05-22T08:27:01 < PeterM> wtf is that board you linked dongs - other than a waste of money + space?
2015-05-22T08:37:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSG44AtT0CE this
2015-05-22T08:37:43 < dongs> it shows moneyz used
2015-05-22T08:37:54 < dongs> basically you have a transmitter in y our breaker (clamp + powerline modem)
2015-05-22T08:45:43 < PeterM> im struggling to work out how they arrived at that solution for that problem
2015-05-22T08:46:51 < dongs> saves moneyz man
2015-05-22T08:46:58 < dongs> people will buy anything that will promise to save them money
2015-05-22T08:47:51 < dongs> PNY sent me a "how was our technical support" email survey shit
2015-05-22T08:47:57 < dongs> gonna reply that it was fucking horrible
2015-05-22T08:48:17 < PeterM> "fucking shite m8"
2015-05-22T08:48:18 < dongs> cunts made me drive 20km to find out that bracket from NVS510 fit thier new card that onyl comes with lowprofile bracket
2015-05-22T08:50:52 < dongs> 3. How satisfied were you with the technical support provided
2015-05-22T08:50:53 < dongs> by the PNY representative?
2015-05-22T08:50:56 < dongs> 0 out of 5
2015-05-22T08:51:21 < dongs> Thank you very much for taking the time to help us better serve you.
2015-05-22T08:51:22 < dongs> PNY Technical Support Team
2015-05-22T08:51:25 < dongs> I wonder if they'll follow up
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2015-05-22T09:09:10 < dongs> PeterM: did you have something to do wtih this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/516521822/blu-the-smartphone-made-wearable/
2015-05-22T09:09:15 < dongs> A+ trolling
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2015-05-22T09:14:47 < dongs> http://wearblu.weebly.com/uploads/4/9/6/7/49677271/5542677.png?919
2015-05-22T09:14:56 < dongs> lol @"Flexible" : iPhone 6Plus
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2015-05-22T09:28:07 < PeterM> nope, nothing to do with me, i'm not stupid enough to use qhite on bright fucking blue
2015-05-22T09:28:15 < PeterM> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/674/628/21f8dd29c6a6a412e37bfad8035b34d0_original.png?v=1429944011&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=4ad30a0365c90c840236b1963cbd310d
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2015-05-22T09:30:59 < PeterM> dongs did lol at flexible 6 plus tho
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2015-05-22T09:58:28 < stukdev> with stm32f4 setting read out protection level 2 i read memory read protection enabled and all debug features disabled. So after it can be programmable or not?
2015-05-22T09:59:27 < Laurenceb_> lol "bricked mode"
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2015-05-22T10:00:15 < stukdev> Laurenceb_: its really briked mode?
2015-05-22T10:00:33 < Laurenceb_> i dont know, never used protection
2015-05-22T10:00:38 < Laurenceb_> lol double meaning
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2015-05-22T10:30:40 < dongs> god damn i wish altium would STOP FUCKING WITH MY FUCKING JLINK
2015-05-22T10:30:43 < dongs> im trying to debug
2015-05-22T10:30:50 < dongs> and i get fucking random jlinkdll popups from altium
2015-05-22T10:30:55 < jpa-> what does altium have to do with jlink?
2015-05-22T10:30:57 < dongs> FUCK OFF I AM NOT USING YOUR TRASH TO DEBUG SHIT
2015-05-22T10:31:02 < dongs> jpa-: NO FUCKING IDEA
2015-05-22T10:31:15 < dongs> jpa-: it loads jlinkdll on startup (cuz my -edu pops up a warning about usage every 24h)
2015-05-22T10:31:22 < dongs> and i guess its constantly monitoring the said dll for activity
2015-05-22T10:31:28 < dongs> ....
2015-05-22T10:37:53 < dongs> https://designcontent.live.altium.com/PluginDetail/Device_SEGGER_JLink
2015-05-22T10:38:31 < dongs> http://blog.csdn.net/aping_cs_dn/article/details/16878269 ohh maybe this talks about how to stop using it
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2015-05-22T10:39:31 < dongs> ya that should have been it
2015-05-22T10:57:36 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1102208768/the-lootventure-project i need to do this for my altium trolling twitch channel
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2015-05-22T10:59:55 < dongs> http://lvdscable-edp.com/pic/big/63_0.jpg haha
2015-05-22T11:06:21 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmctGBFw2g << smd... :)
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2015-05-22T11:34:13 < PeterM> Fleck, that "method" is similar to what is used in ham radio, but with less shitty soldering irons and less inhaling of fiberglass fust
2015-05-22T11:34:17 < PeterM> dust
2015-05-22T11:38:42 < Fleck> :D
2015-05-22T11:39:48 < PeterM> i was like "what the fuck is up with that iron? whenever he uses it the lights turn on" i guess hes using a lightbulb as a resistive ballast or some shit.
2015-05-22T11:41:11 < PeterM> dongs, you'd think they'd atleast terminate it into a displayport socket not a plug so you could atleast secure it and then use a real cable...
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2015-05-22T11:43:21 < qyx_> PeterM: those irons have small lightbulbs inside
2015-05-22T11:44:13 < qyx_> http://www.najnakup.sk/ii2.ashx?m=1&k=650904
2015-05-22T11:44:14 < qyx_> like this
2015-05-22T11:45:01 < PeterM> qyx_, dafuk
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2015-05-22T11:45:50 < qyx_> you can work in the dark!
2015-05-22T11:47:42 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/avTUA80.gifv
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2015-05-22T12:24:15 < dongs> thats like that anhero guy
2015-05-22T12:24:34 < dongs> bud dwyer
2015-05-22T12:28:29 < karlp> trepidaciousMBR2: what demo code did you find for chibios that you found useful? the code in the demos of the 2.6.8 release are pretty useless for the HAL
2015-05-22T12:30:41 < jpa-> testhal stuff maybe?
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2015-05-22T12:38:55 < Laurenceb__> time to clear my desk
2015-05-22T12:38:58 < Laurenceb__> funtimes
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2015-05-22T12:57:25 < trepidaciousMBR2> karlp: Nope just the normal demo stuff got me started, plus I guess looking round projects using chibios.
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2015-05-22T14:29:10 < ReadError> http://ukspace2015.co.uk/uploads/y80IwzPABmMzJ0uc2D2l.jpg
2015-05-22T14:29:15 < ReadError> only guy you can take serious
2015-05-22T14:31:02 < qyx_> hh
2015-05-22T14:32:34 < Laurenceb__> this comes to mind  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W1A_%28TV_series%29
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2015-05-22T16:33:31 < karlp> fucking i2c config eeprom for this usb2640 hub is fucked in the head
2015-05-22T16:33:42 < karlp> docs say, "hold the hub in reset and you can program with external tools"
2015-05-22T16:34:23 < karlp> if it's in reset, I can see SDA, but no SCL, if it's not in reset, I can not see SDA, but I can see SCL
2015-05-22T16:34:45 < jpa-> "see"?
2015-05-22T16:34:55 < jpa-> it is pulling scl low in reset?
2015-05-22T16:39:34 < karlp> eyah, looks like it.
2015-05-22T16:39:41 < karlp> despite it saying it high-zs in reset
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2015-05-22T16:57:17 < karlp> I can see the usb hub read the  eeprom when it comes out of reset, both scl and sda toggle and sigrok decodes the expected eeprom commands.
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2015-05-22T16:57:42 < karlp> when I don't have my i2c programmer connected, and run my read script, scl and sda toggle and sigrok decodes the expected commands.
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2015-05-22T21:36:40 < emeb> New board in the works -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/stm32friend_front.jpg
2015-05-22T21:37:06 < emeb> Attempt to provide FTDI Friend function using STM32F042F6
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2015-05-22T21:46:33 < Tectu> any yankees available? upgrdman?
2015-05-22T21:47:44 < jpa-> how bout wankees?
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2015-05-22T21:50:42 < jpa-> fuckquit
2015-05-22T21:50:49 < jpa-> 21:50:01 <Tectu> anyway, I'm at my gf's, I gotta leave
2015-05-22T21:51:13 < englishman> he was lookin for someone to yank off
2015-05-22T21:51:15 < englishman> a yank-ee
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2015-05-22T22:03:05 < Laurenceb__> emeb: you any good with state?
2015-05-22T22:03:07 < Laurenceb__> erm stats
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2015-05-22T22:17:58 < emeb> Laurenceb__: about all I know are mean & variance :)
2015-05-22T22:18:13 < Laurenceb__> ok nvm then :P
2015-05-22T22:18:27 < Laurenceb__> i cant replicate p value produced from octave forge code :-/
2015-05-22T22:18:44 < emeb> someone on another chl was talking about chi-sq the other day. baroo?
2015-05-22T22:20:35 < Laurenceb__> i dont understnad that much :-/
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2015-05-22T23:05:26 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__: one doesnt understand statistics
2015-05-22T23:06:07 < Steffanx> one just applies some different methods and looks which one fits the hypothesis best
2015-05-22T23:06:27 < Steffanx> i mean (dis)proofs or wahtever you want to do
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2015-05-23T00:31:07 < kakimir> allah akbar
2015-05-23T00:32:34 < Steffanx> beaky is that you?
2015-05-23T00:35:24 < kakimir> ل
2015-05-23T00:35:44 < kakimir> وصل لهذه مشارف بـ, و
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2015-05-23T00:36:25 < kakimir> how the hell arabic text comes out with utf8?
2015-05-23T00:37:16 < kakimir> some utf8 magic
2015-05-23T00:37:36 < Steffanx> how are you today mr kakimir?
2015-05-23T00:37:42 < Steffanx> hows the song contest going?
2015-05-23T00:38:28 < kakimir> no idea
2015-05-23T00:40:00 < Steffanx> any innovations today?
2015-05-23T00:45:50 < kakimir> I want to build a castle
2015-05-23T00:46:16 < kakimir> no innovation today
2015-05-23T00:46:31 < Steffanx> lego castle?
2015-05-23T00:47:04 < kakimir> real castle
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2015-05-23T00:48:55 < kakimir> drove tractor all day
2015-05-23T00:49:08 < scummos> haha my client right-aligns the nicknames in those lines
2015-05-23T00:50:01 < kakimir> pic
2015-05-23T00:50:29 < Steffanx> are you a farmer kakimir?
2015-05-23T00:50:45 < scummos> kakimir: https://i.imgur.com/4KjJrn7.png
2015-05-23T00:51:07 < kakimir> you could say I'm
2015-05-23T00:52:26 < Steffanx> bbut..
2015-05-23T00:53:24 < BrainDamage> here it's still left aligned
2015-05-23T00:54:02 < kakimir> I'm not _the_ farmer
2015-05-23T00:54:04 < BrainDamage> is still still left aligned‽
2015-05-23T00:54:16 < BrainDamage> you're the animal
2015-05-23T01:00:53 < kakimir> did you know when you combine superclue and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bicarbonate and superclue you get some hard filling cluing stuff out of superclue
2015-05-23T01:01:13 < kakimir> that fixes all things
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2015-05-23T01:31:38 < upgrdman_> whats the formula for coupling cap frequency? 1/2piC or something like that?
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2015-05-23T01:35:49 < kakimir> anyone from france?
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2015-05-23T01:51:08 < englishman> oue oue
2015-05-23T01:51:17 < englishman> je mange le baguette
2015-05-23T01:51:58 < kakimir> is there something weird in water in france?
2015-05-23T01:52:12 < englishman> jai tue a le bande dessinee
2015-05-23T01:52:38 < englishman> nobody drinks water in france
2015-05-23T01:52:55 < kakimir> only wine
2015-05-23T01:58:27 < kakimir> ok.. you are french living in states and your nick is englishman ?
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2015-05-23T02:10:04 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: flouride?
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2015-05-23T02:12:45 < kakimir> thats murican thing
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2015-05-23T02:24:32 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile at NASA
2015-05-23T02:24:44 < Laurenceb_> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800010907.pdf
2015-05-23T02:27:00 < kakimir> diy ufo here we go!
2015-05-23T02:27:33 < Laurenceb_>  Effects on minerals, plants, animals, and humans should be studied to gain insight into the radiation emitted by UFOs
2015-05-23T02:27:42 < Laurenceb_> need to be safe first
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2015-05-23T02:30:24 < kakimir> safety is for pussies
2015-05-23T02:31:46 < kakimir> just limp back and try again
2015-05-23T02:34:13 < Steffanx> englishman  meant "oui oui"  ?
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2015-05-23T02:43:07 < Getty> This is really brilliant: http://www.yacoset.com/Home/signs-that-you-re-a-good-programmer
2015-05-23T02:52:11 < englishman> Steffanx for posterity in my dialect it is oué oué
2015-05-23T02:52:40 < Steffanx> canadians ... ?
2015-05-23T02:53:15 < englishman> sorry
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2015-05-23T03:48:36 < dongs> Getty: tldr
2015-05-23T03:49:42 < Getty> dongs: you should, totally worth it
2015-05-23T03:50:11 < dongs> dont think so
2015-05-23T03:50:25 < dongs> also that fag probably  advocates "dabbling" in python even tho all you code is C
2015-05-23T03:50:28 < dongs> so fuck him
2015-05-23T03:50:37 < Getty> lol no
2015-05-23T03:51:09 < emeb> latest "innovation" -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32friend/index.html
2015-05-23T03:51:56 < dongs> proo
2015-05-23T03:53:09 < englishman> If you want to get by on the cheap you'll have to be familiar with setting up an ARM GCC toolchain
2015-05-23T03:53:17 < englishman> closed tab
2015-05-23T03:53:59 < emeb> keeps me from getting "HELP" emails from n00bs
2015-05-23T03:54:46 < englishman> who was it here with tag-connect
2015-05-23T03:54:51 < englishman> they never replied to my scam emailz
2015-05-23T03:55:10 < dongs> heh, PNY replied me back
2015-05-23T03:55:19 < dongs> "but using NVS510 bracket is not supported"
2015-05-23T03:55:26 < dongs> ... right
2015-05-23T03:55:27 < englishman> heh
2015-05-23T03:55:43 < dongs> whatever, already downvoted their support into oblivion
2015-05-23T03:55:50 < dongs> 0 out of 5 on all points
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2015-05-23T04:15:44 < upgrdman> whats the formula for a couple capacitor if you want it to pass above some frequency? e.g. if audio, what cap size do you need if you want to pass 20+Hz (-3db...)
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2015-05-23T04:22:22 < dongs> for audio... look no further than gold-plated through-hole caps
2015-05-23T04:22:25 < dongs> the bigger, the better
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2015-05-23T04:23:04 < dongs> http://www.cathedralspeakers.com/images/gainclone/img5.jpg if your audio board doesn't look like this,  you've failed
2015-05-23T04:26:03 < englishman> nichicon has a special audio equipment catalogue section
2015-05-23T04:26:44 < englishman> those capacitors look to be "standard grade"
2015-05-23T04:26:55 < englishman> there is also "high grade" with more gold
2015-05-23T04:27:01 < englishman> and "premium grade" with even more gold
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2015-05-23T06:46:38 < dongs> golder plastic
2015-05-23T06:58:03 < PeterM> emeb_mac, what do you for your board renders? they are painful to look at.
2015-05-23T06:58:27 < emeb_mac> huh?
2015-05-23T06:59:02 < PeterM> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/stm32friend_front.jpg
2015-05-23T06:59:23 < emeb_mac> yeah - I know which one. what's wrong with it?
2015-05-23T07:00:07 < PeterM> i dunno, it makes me feel all 1995 l;ooking at it
2015-05-23T07:02:35 < emeb_mac> you prefer the OSHpark renders? Here ya go -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/stm32friend_top_oshpark.png
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2015-05-23T07:02:45 < emeb_mac> all purple & stuff
2015-05-23T07:04:29 < PeterM> nah, they look garbage too
2015-05-23T07:04:42 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with DFTs or FFTs? how to you specify the equivalent of RBW? like as is it now, if I don't do 1Hz bins, it will miss everything in between.
2015-05-23T07:04:44 < emeb_mac> so what kind of renders do you like?
2015-05-23T07:34:25 < dongs> https://www.artsy.net/artwork/katsu-shithead-1-mark-zuckerberg
2015-05-23T07:34:26 < dongs> lol'd
2015-05-23T07:59:11 < ReadError> figured zuck could buy a hotter wife with all that cash
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2015-05-23T15:52:28 < dongs> ive bene driving all day
2015-05-23T15:53:49 < zyp> driving you crazy?
2015-05-23T15:59:22 < superbia> the kayak..
2015-05-23T16:10:01 < dongs> nah
2015-05-23T16:10:13 < dongs> went to pickup a 24h service pcb
2015-05-23T16:13:24 < ReadError> dedication
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2015-05-23T16:23:05 < dongs> isnt it
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2015-05-23T16:42:08 < dongs> you wish you could clone this good
2015-05-23T16:43:54 < ReadError> i only have a little over a year under my cloning belt
2015-05-23T16:44:04 < ReadError> give me a few and ill be much good
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2015-05-23T16:45:57 < PeterK> cost viable
2015-05-23T16:45:58 < PeterK> international safety regulations
2015-05-23T16:46:00 < PeterK> divirge signiicatly
2015-05-23T16:46:02 < PeterK> a relection is returned
2015-05-23T16:46:04 < PeterK> Because pulses -> Pulses enable the use of higher power
2015-05-23T16:46:06 < PeterK> as defined as one of the target parameters in table Missing reference
2015-05-23T16:46:08 < PeterK> Note that 2
2015-05-23T16:46:10 < PeterK> as can be seen in table
2015-05-23T16:46:12 < PeterK> cost a fortune
2015-05-23T16:46:16 < PeterK> is usually available.
2015-05-23T16:46:18 < PeterK> 2.1 Transmitter design
2015-05-23T16:46:20 < PeterK> end user might not
2015-05-23T16:46:22 < PeterK> this was did not
2015-05-23T16:46:24 < PeterK> emit light in a cone
2015-05-23T16:46:26 < PeterK> precision costs
2015-05-23T16:46:28 < PeterK> surface a beam
2015-05-23T16:46:29 < ReadError> hep tep rog
2015-05-23T16:46:30 < PeterK> supprisingly difficult
2015-05-23T16:46:32 < PeterK> fulfil
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2015-05-23T16:50:31 < dongs> daym
2015-05-23T16:50:34 < jpa-> i wonder what that was about
2015-05-23T16:50:34 < dongs> nice NDA ragepaste
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2015-05-23T17:27:49 < dongs> clone dicknplaced and in the oven
2015-05-23T17:29:45 < emeb_mac> send in the clones
2015-05-23T17:37:07 < Laurenceb_> dongs runs his programs from pogROM
2015-05-23T17:45:36 < dongs> and it works
2015-05-23T17:45:38 < dongs> time to get paid
2015-05-23T17:46:11 < ReadError> im gonna turn my old 3d printard into a PnP
2015-05-23T17:46:19 < ReadError> well the electronics
2015-05-23T17:47:17 < dongs> hardware isnt waht makes a usable pnp
2015-05-23T17:52:19 < ReadError> yea im gonna try openPNP
2015-05-23T17:52:58 < dongs> good luck
2015-05-23T17:58:09 < dongs> PeterM: adp is success
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2015-05-23T17:58:37 < ReadError> you picknplaced a seriouslyWANK?
2015-05-23T17:59:04 < dongs> yes
2015-05-23T17:59:30 < ReadError> post some fap material
2015-05-23T17:59:48 < dongs> nope. nda
2015-05-23T18:01:21 < ReadError> aww
2015-05-23T18:03:04 < ReadError> http://seriouslypro.com/img/slider/background3.jpg
2015-05-23T18:03:10 < ReadError> this will have to do for now
2015-05-23T18:14:31 < dongs> last time i posted shit, chatch was messaging me within hours
2015-05-23T18:15:12 < ReadError> i wont share it
2015-05-23T18:15:24 < ReadError> i guess it will be on websites soon anyways can wait
2015-05-23T18:16:48  * ReadError puts away the lotion
2015-05-23T18:18:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gXvvdMu.jpg wank away
2015-05-23T18:21:00 < ReadError> jap porn'd
2015-05-23T18:22:38 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/GYfOxHb.jpg jef will enhance it for me
2015-05-23T18:23:09 < dongs> haha
2015-05-23T18:23:13 < dongs> a classic
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2015-05-23T18:26:01 < dongs> well, enough innovation for today.
2015-05-23T18:26:06 < dongs> pretty good time-to-clone
2015-05-23T18:26:09 < dongs> PCB was routed at 9pm thursday.
2015-05-23T18:26:21 < dongs> board was assembled around 11pm saturday
2015-05-23T18:26:41 < ReadError> china aint got shit on you
2015-05-23T18:26:53 < dongs> there's a rumor china does 24h pcb too
2015-05-23T18:26:56 < ReadError> i think it took hydra 6 months
2015-05-23T18:27:03 < dongs> i hope not
2015-05-23T18:28:12 < ReadError> https://github.com/cleanflight/cleanflight/commit/650389afb67098a65a0c58559c7fd3e0f25a8d10
2015-05-23T18:28:14 < ReadError> atleast 4
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2015-05-23T18:42:04 < dongs> http://fi8.eu.apcdn.com/full/130556.jpg
2015-05-23T18:48:25 < Laurenceb_> must be japanese
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2015-05-23T18:55:27 < kakimir> should I bother so intensivelly with my analog reference voltages that I set shunt regulator to guard supply voltage and enable reference when some level is reached?
2015-05-23T18:55:51 < kakimir> until that 3v3 adc supplied via schottky from supply
2015-05-23T18:56:39 < kakimir> so that there is never more than some 0v2 volts difference!
2015-05-23T19:02:08 < kakimir> or just let adc reference power up instantly while 3v3 step down starts delayed
2015-05-23T19:09:04 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2015-05-23T19:09:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1222506/Pillow-talk-cost-marriage-The-daring-new-TV-couples-reveal-true-feelings.html
2015-05-23T19:09:15 < Laurenceb_> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/23/article-1222506-06E62BE2000005DC-349_468x257.jpg
2015-05-23T19:09:21 < Laurenceb_> i had this guy as a lecturer
2015-05-23T19:11:56 < kakimir> world is small
2015-05-23T19:13:18 < Laurenceb_> but whyyyy
2015-05-23T19:13:47 < Laurenceb_> what were they thinking
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2015-05-23T19:21:05 < kakimir> age melts you
2015-05-23T19:21:24 < kakimir> you go yolo
2015-05-23T19:23:10 < kakimir> you get your swag on
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2015-05-23T19:29:38 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/759/682/b5eec84c78d41519e982b7efe852543f_original.jpg?v=1431183597&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=b619841c98aed4f978c37e8fbf4a262a
2015-05-23T19:29:48 < dongs> looks like altidong
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2015-05-23T19:31:46 < dongs> http://41.media.tumblr.com/c2de6bc23b11484869124843b696f71b/tumblr_nnmo3k7cMf1uusu3ro1_1280.jpg
2015-05-23T19:31:55 < dongs> this looks like a hacked E4
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2015-05-23T19:35:46 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11212607_836427206423841_7550791292836927649_o.jpg
2015-05-23T19:35:49 < dongs> haha
2015-05-23T19:37:47 < dongs> Keep your eye out for Creating ZANO - Part 7 which will focus on ZANO's onboard camera! Cheers, Reece.
2015-05-23T19:37:50 < dongs> oh boy
2015-05-23T19:37:53 < dongs> i cant wait
2015-05-23T19:39:09 < dongs> the whole pic32 thing is a troll, and zano is running on ambarella as7
2015-05-23T19:39:23 < dongs> with a nuclear reactor to power it for 20 minutes
2015-05-23T19:41:27 < ReadError> dongs, any pointers on a SMPS that can do ~4A
2015-05-23T19:41:32 < ReadError> w/o an external fet
2015-05-23T19:41:39 < dongs> no
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2015-05-23T19:49:39 < ReadError> well fuck guess i need to go that route
2015-05-23T19:59:05 < Laurenceb_> wait its really running ambarella?
2015-05-23T19:59:06 < PeterM> ReadError, step up or down? 4a at what voltage vin vout
2015-05-23T19:59:37 < ReadError> around 12in, 7.2V out
2015-05-23T19:59:57 < ReadError> I think this amp sucks in about 3A or something stupid high
2015-05-23T20:02:24 < PeterM> http://www.ti.com/product/lm22677/description not sync so requires schottky but 5a int fet
2015-05-23T20:02:32 < PeterM> 1mhz too
2015-05-23T20:03:22 < ReadError> not bad at all
2015-05-23T20:03:34 < PeterM> unfortunately XBOX HUED TO-263
2015-05-23T20:03:40 < PeterM> *HUEG
2015-05-23T20:03:53 < ReadError> not a size critical thing at all fortunately
2015-05-23T20:04:23 < ReadError> guess ill need to get a stout inductor too
2015-05-23T20:04:43 < Fleck> http://www.pcjs.org/devices/pc/machine/5160/cga/256kb/win101/
2015-05-23T20:06:29 < PeterM> why no external; fets just curious? that really limits devices
2015-05-23T20:06:44 < PeterM> i mean, no ext fet, but ext diodes is OK why?
2015-05-23T20:07:16 < ReadError> PeterM, its not a deal breaker
2015-05-23T20:07:32 < ReadError> was just trying to minimize components
2015-05-23T20:07:37 < ReadError> but that allows many more options
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2015-05-23T20:10:46 < PeterM> where dfo yo ubuy parts from? mouser?
2015-05-23T20:10:51 < PeterM> digikey?
2015-05-23T20:11:21 < ReadError> ya mouser
2015-05-23T20:11:25 < ReadError> paypal+notax
2015-05-23T20:11:59 < PeterM> lemmeh have a look and see what they got then
2015-05-23T20:12:23 < ReadError> right now im just gonna stick a bunch of these linear regs together to test heh
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2015-05-23T20:24:37 < PeterM> http://au.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/AP65403SP-13/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvAX9OfPh%252b2NROz%2fKij9vsBPnPLHdkgi%2fM62qxDctmiZQ%3d%3d seems t osuit your needs
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2015-05-23T20:27:32 < ReadError> ahh nice no diode
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2015-05-23T21:18:31 < GargantuaSauce> ughhh got flux smoke in my eye
2015-05-23T21:19:15 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce, dont mix the flux and iso
2015-05-23T21:19:18 < BrainDamage> wash it with some ipa like a real man
2015-05-23T21:19:23 < ReadError> or that
2015-05-23T21:19:43 < GargantuaSauce> i only have lager
2015-05-23T21:20:26 < BrainDamage> india pale ale containing isopropilic alcohol would explain why they taste so shitty
2015-05-23T21:24:25 < GargantuaSauce> ReadError: lm2679
2015-05-23T21:24:54 < GargantuaSauce> you'll need a pretty big inductor though so there isnt much space saved in not having an external fet
2015-05-23T21:25:12 < ReadError> hmm wait fuck me
2015-05-23T21:25:18 < ReadError> i think i have a bunch of those china boards
2015-05-23T21:25:24 < ReadError> didnt know it was that stout
2015-05-23T21:25:27 < GargantuaSauce> those are 2650, 3A
2015-05-23T21:25:32 < ReadError> oh
2015-05-23T21:26:23 < GargantuaSauce> put two in parallel and see what happens :D
2015-05-23T21:26:47 < ReadError> lol no thanks ;)
2015-05-23T21:27:02 < ReadError> I was gonna chain gang like 2-4 of these linear ones I got though
2015-05-23T21:27:10 < ReadError> just until i finish the actual board
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2015-05-23T22:16:24 < varesa> why does this code go to TIM3_IRQHandler? http://hastebin.com/lokejayeyo.c
2015-05-23T22:16:55 < varesa> Neither of the two timers are enabled at that point. TIM2 works as I'd expect but TIM3 doesn't
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2015-05-23T22:30:32 < varesa> fixed by clearing the interrupt flags before enabling the interrupts
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2015-05-24T01:01:16 < Laurenceb_> no suprise its on a mac
2015-05-24T01:13:18 < [7]> is it a known issue that (fairly long) ACK payloads aren't received in like 80% of the attempts on NRF24L01P if auto-retransmit count on the PTX side is 0? can anyone confirm that? with 1 retransmit it's perfrectly fine, and I don't think the RF connection is the problem here... more likely the PTX side is leaving RX mode too early or something
2015-05-24T01:14:59 < angry_specing> Does anyone here do ada on f0?
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2015-05-24T02:54:37 < upgrdman> what's "ada"?
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2015-05-24T03:11:42 < dongs> sup pros
2015-05-24T03:34:00 < dongs> ttp://www.rotarywoofer.com/howitworks.htm
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2015-05-24T03:52:32 < angry_specing> upgrdman: A programming language meant for safety applications (medical, space, military)
2015-05-24T03:53:04 < upgrdman> oh that, ya.
2015-05-24T03:53:20 < upgrdman> but they use it for embedded stuff too?
2015-05-24T03:53:24 < upgrdman> did not know.
2015-05-24T03:54:32 < dongs> nobody serious "uses" it
2015-05-24T03:54:42 < dongs> its another of those wank fictional write-only languages
2015-05-24T03:55:32 < angry_specing> upgrdman: yeah
2015-05-24T03:55:46 < dongs> show me one serious opensores or commercial project using ada
2015-05-24T03:55:46 < angry_specing> dongs: I disagree
2015-05-24T03:56:05 < angry_specing> dongs: commercial: boeing planes
2015-05-24T03:56:32 < angry_specing> dongs: opensores: Muen seperation kernel, proven flawless
2015-05-24T03:58:46 < upgrdman> angry_specing, not trolling, genuinely curious: what makes ada better than c for safety-critical applications?
2015-05-24T04:01:11 < angry_specing> It is very strict
2015-05-24T04:02:49 < angry_specing> at the same time, it can do much more than C++, it has generics (templates), objects, packages, built-in threading capabiltiies (for embedded the Ravenscar runtime),
2015-05-24T04:03:06 < angry_specing> the standard defines how to insert assembly code
2015-05-24T04:03:49 < angry_specing> there are no (or I have discovered no) undefined behaviour landmines yet
2015-05-24T04:04:10 < angry_specing> C is full of them... the K&R book is 10% "This is implementation defined"
2015-05-24T04:04:23 < angry_specing> C++ inherits all of C's problems
2015-05-24T04:04:51 < angry_specing> Ada can do runtime overflow checking among other stuff and will throw an exception
2015-05-24T04:05:21 < angry_specing> it has built-in support for modular types as well as arbitrary array ranges
2015-05-24T04:06:59 < angry_specing> e.g. array intarr is array (-10 .. 5) of Integer;
2015-05-24T04:07:10 < angry_specing> now you can index it from -10 to 5
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2015-05-24T04:08:30 < angry_specing> you can specify exact ranges for types and how much space you want them to occupy:
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2015-05-24T04:15:47 < karlp> yeah, ada's great, like lisp.
2015-05-24T04:15:54 < karlp> perfect, admired by it's fans,
2015-05-24T04:16:04 < karlp> and you've got to do it all yourlsef, because no-one elses uses it.
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2015-05-24T04:23:45 < specing> well I am done wasting my time with C and C++
2015-05-24T04:23:56 < specing> after circa 10 years coding in those two
2015-05-24T04:24:54 < specing> and yes, the lack of Ada developers is unexplainable
2015-05-24T04:26:51 < specing> sad :(
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2015-05-24T04:41:19 < specing> ah I see my text got cut in the disconnect
2015-05-24T04:41:29 < specing> .. type my10 is range 0..9; for my10'Size use 4;
2015-05-24T04:41:37 < specing> using GNATProve you can probe your programs to be without certain classes of programmer errors
2015-05-24T04:41:45 < specing> prove*
2015-05-24T04:41:50 < specing> prove*
2015-05-24T04:41:56 < specing> http://blog.adacore.com/tetris-in-spark-on-arm-cortex-m4
2015-05-24T04:42:05 < specing> ^ the SPARK subset of Ada
2015-05-24T04:42:09 < specing> the safer safety
2015-05-24T04:42:30 < dongs> fuck anything gnat
2015-05-24T04:42:56 < specing> GNAT is the defacto standard Ada compiler
2015-05-24T04:44:18 < specing> and while the command line options could be picked more wisely, has a much better front-end than the ones for C and C++
2015-05-24T04:49:47 < dongs> any gcc pros here
2015-05-24T04:50:00 < dongs> when I haev a makefile that just prints shit like CC faggot/build.o
2015-05-24T04:50:05 < dongs> can I make it dump full command line instead
2015-05-24T05:05:29 < inca> dongs: make -d
2015-05-24T05:05:56 < inca> is there a way to reset the counter timer without triggering the interrupt?
2015-05-24T05:09:29 < dongs> turn off interrupt first? :)
2015-05-24T05:09:39 < dongs> then reset and turn on? i duno
2015-05-24T05:09:40 < inca> nvm... my I2C was randomly reseting
2015-05-24T05:09:58 < inca> yeah, write CNT to zero... weee
2015-05-24T05:11:59 < inca> not sure why IOE_Init() and I2Cx_Init() are getting called twice
2015-05-24T05:12:16 < inca> after I2Cx_MspInit() they get called again
2015-05-24T06:09:27 < dongs> lol HAL
2015-05-24T06:09:47 < dongs> it has a bunch of undocumented weakfuncs it calls
2015-05-24T06:10:01 < dongs> if your userspace implements it, it'll cal
2015-05-24T06:18:37 < dongs> god damn fuck gcc
2015-05-24T06:18:53 < dongs> and retards who abuse linker scripts
2015-05-24T06:19:09 < dongs> linker trash has like
2015-05-24T06:19:52 < dongs> rom: origin= 16k, length = 512k-16k, t hen they have rom_size = length(rom); but then the extern vars they're using for this are uint8_t
2015-05-24T06:20:09 < dongs> its like they end up being at that "address" and then pointer to them is taken or something
2015-05-24T06:20:12 < dongs> fucking stupid fuck
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2015-05-24T06:29:11 < dongs> haha, later they have proper defines for the stuff in another header
2015-05-24T06:29:11 < PeterM> ReadError, lm2679 is a peice of shit, dont even consider it
2015-05-24T06:29:14 < dongs> man, such aids
2015-05-24T06:29:26 < dongs> i swear opensores software is the worst crap
2015-05-24T06:36:48 < dongs> simple donger
2015-05-24T06:37:16 < dongs> wats wrong wiht it other than hueg
2015-05-24T06:37:31 < dongs> PeterM: did you see my tweet, adp stuff works pretty good
2015-05-24T06:37:59 < dongs> " Superb product, requires simple external components and works great. Very stable throughout the range. Noticed a drop of just around 20mV even while drawing 4 Amps. "
2015-05-24T06:38:19 < dongs> fuck, only indians comment on TI forums
2015-05-24T06:43:04 < dongs> > good
2015-05-24T06:43:05 < dongs> > forums
2015-05-24T06:43:05 < dongs> no
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2015-05-24T06:46:01 < englishman> yes, ##stm32
2015-05-24T06:47:31 < PeterM> dongs noice on the adp
2015-05-24T07:01:28 < dongs> debug this LPC garbage or play GTA5 #firstworldproblems
2015-05-24T07:31:27 < PeterM> play gtav, its weekend
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2015-05-24T07:52:54 < dongs> pssh
2015-05-24T07:52:58 < dongs> gtalauncher is selling me it CANNOT START
2015-05-24T07:53:32 < upgrdman> so we have "time domain" and "frequency domain" ... would it be retarded to call a histogram the "voltage domain" ? (not joking)
2015-05-24T08:10:28 < ReadError> dongs are you cloning the smoothie?
2015-05-24T08:10:47 < dongs> already cloned
2015-05-24T08:11:06 < dongs> do you fucking subscribe to my shithub and watch me like a hawk?
2015-05-24T08:11:08 < dongs> cloneHAWK
2015-05-24T08:11:13 < ReadError> nah like
2015-05-24T08:11:20 < ReadError> i remember you doing twitch
2015-05-24T08:11:26 < ReadError> saying it was some 3d printer shit
2015-05-24T08:11:28 < ReadError> then LPC
2015-05-24T08:11:34 < dongs> o, that was just test board right
2015-05-24T08:11:40 < dongs> real clone is alreay made
2015-05-24T08:12:01 < ReadError> i put 4+20 together and blz'd it
2015-05-24T08:12:04 < ReadError> did i call good money??
2015-05-24T08:18:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VdPkn2M.jpg
2015-05-24T08:19:23 < ReadError> http://wanhaousa.com/products/duplicator-i3-steel-frame
2015-05-24T08:19:29 < ReadError> grabbed one of those, so cheap
2015-05-24T08:21:20 < dongs> looks useless
2015-05-24T08:22:23 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bzDkrFyIsI look at the high quality well produced video
2015-05-24T08:22:28 < ReadError> 'its woookkkking'
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2015-05-24T08:45:02 < upgrdman> lol
2015-05-24T08:45:22 < upgrdman> well i dont know of a better place to ask
2015-05-24T08:46:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, where do you chats on freenode
2015-05-24T08:47:28 < PeterM> upgrdman, R2COM chats on #invest
2015-05-24T08:47:45 < upgrdman> lol
2015-05-24T08:48:00 < upgrdman> o nm, i read that as #incest
2015-05-24T08:48:31 < PeterM> that was the joke
2015-05-24T08:49:15 < upgrdman> wooshman
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2015-05-24T09:01:39 < ReadError> look at those WoW players
2015-05-24T09:01:53 < ReadError> they have years of gametime played, nuts
2015-05-24T09:02:37 < dongs> play gta5
2015-05-24T09:02:40 < dongs> just drive around and trash shit
2015-05-24T09:03:51 < dongs> uh wat
2015-05-24T09:04:14 < dongs> i dont believe
2015-05-24T09:09:32 < jpa-> ReadError: is that better or worse than having years of irctime chatted?
2015-05-24T09:09:40 < dongs> buuurn
2015-05-24T09:10:03 < ReadError> no its better
2015-05-24T09:10:14 < ReadError> atleast you gain cyber points in a game
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2015-05-24T09:32:39 < dongs> haha...
2015-05-24T09:32:48 < dongs> LPC usb fail was beacuse hte idiot pal swapped DP/DM
2015-05-24T09:32:56 < dongs> ReadError: hes kinda like you
2015-05-24T09:33:00 < dongs> he copied dicktrace schematic
2015-05-24T09:33:01 < dongs> which was wrong
2015-05-24T09:33:05 < dongs> :)
2015-05-24T09:33:37 < ReadError> did they put out bad schematics to fool cloners?
2015-05-24T09:34:20 < ReadError> that would be expert level trolling
2015-05-24T09:34:29 < dongs> it almost sems like it
2015-05-24T09:34:32 < dongs> schematic was like
2015-05-24T09:34:37 < dongs> vbus d+ d- id gnd
2015-05-24T09:34:44 < dongs> (normally order is vbus d- d+ id gnd
2015-05-24T09:34:52 < dongs> you dont see this unless you look at pin->pattern assignmetn
2015-05-24T09:34:54 < dongs> where its swapped
2015-05-24T09:34:55 < dongs> lol
2015-05-24T09:35:47 < ReadError> i still dont like how in atidumb theres no good side by side view like in diptrace
2015-05-24T09:36:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9qobHBB.jpg
2015-05-24T09:36:40 < dongs> ^ attn zyp
2015-05-24T09:37:30 < jpa-> wolfmanjm would not approve
2015-05-24T09:38:29 < dongs> yeah, i jsut messaged him that pic
2015-05-24T09:38:42 < dongs> already ahead of you :)
2015-05-24T09:38:48 < jpa-> :)
2015-05-24T09:39:16 < ReadError> https://instagram.com/p/2xCiY5rpGB/
2015-05-24T09:39:22 < ReadError> smoothieboard in action
2015-05-24T09:39:24 < jpa-> at work some dude has a habit of reordering pins on symbols to make the schematic look "neater".. so there is like PA0, PA1, PA3, PA2, PA4, ...
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2015-05-24T09:46:26 < emeb_mac> Kill Him. Kill Him A Lot.
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2015-05-24T11:54:33 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/BPly9
2015-05-24T11:54:39 < ReadError> damn chinese
2015-05-24T11:58:36 < jpa-> someone's been baking them too hot
2015-05-24T12:13:33 < PeterM> wut dafuq
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2015-05-24T14:15:12 < dongs> uhoh the change to lpc bootloader I did demolishes wolfmanjm's only contribution to it, and replaces it wiht correct shit
2015-05-24T14:15:18 < dongs> now im really fucked
2015-05-24T14:24:16 < ReadError> thats some cold shit
2015-05-24T14:25:38 < Laurenceb_> calling bash gurus
2015-05-24T14:25:47 < Laurenceb_> how do i cleanly fork a process?
2015-05-24T14:25:59 < Laurenceb_>  ./process.sh & >dev/null
2015-05-24T14:26:02 < Laurenceb_> like that?
2015-05-24T14:30:22 < Thorn> what do you mean fork. that's a system call, you don't do it  from a command line
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2015-05-24T14:48:25 < ReadError> ^
2015-05-24T14:50:04 < BrainDamage> & detaches a process from the parent console, doesn't fork
2015-05-24T14:52:23 < ReadError> nohup it
2015-05-24T14:52:31 < ReadError> otherwise when you log out it will die
2015-05-24T14:52:44 < ReadError> or terminate the shell you invoke it from
2015-05-24T14:52:56 < BrainDamage> wrong
2015-05-24T14:53:24 < BrainDamage> after it's detached it's existance will be independent of the shell it was created from
2015-05-24T14:56:05 < Thorn> why nohup exists then
2015-05-24T14:56:09 < qyx_> wrong, it's stdout is still attached
2015-05-24T14:56:30 < BrainDamage> existance condition, it'll still live after it's detached
2015-05-24T14:56:43 < BrainDamage> nohup exists to drop SIGHUP to propagate
2015-05-24T14:57:04 < BrainDamage> as the name actually hints
2015-05-24T14:57:13 < ReadError> hmm odd
2015-05-24T14:57:20 < ReadError> so it stays a child process until you log out
2015-05-24T14:57:38 < ReadError> cant say ive ever tried that
2015-05-24T14:58:28 < BrainDamage> it'll stay even if you log out
2015-05-24T14:59:08 < BrainDamage> just try yourself, it's easy enough
2015-05-24T14:59:09 < Laurenceb_> well ive logged out and its running
2015-05-24T14:59:12 < Laurenceb_> im happy with that
2015-05-24T15:00:06 < BrainDamage> if you save the pid you can even reattach to another console
2015-05-24T15:00:29 < BrainDamage> or, if you need constant monitoring, you can spawn in a terminal multiplexer such as screen or tmux
2015-05-24T15:01:43 < ReadError> BrainDamage i just did ;)
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2015-05-24T15:09:43 < ReadError> When the goods sent are new original with no damage.
2015-05-24T15:09:43 < ReadError> Generally small we are taking this kind of packing to deliver goods, because the freight is cheap.
2015-05-24T15:09:43 < ReadError> The basic problem.
2015-05-24T15:09:43 < ReadError> Should be will not affect the normal use, you can practice on computer test first.
2015-05-24T15:09:43 < ReadError> Could have transportation damage.
2015-05-24T15:09:43 < ReadError> If find any quality problem, you send information to me in time.
2015-05-24T15:17:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/nkenUfm.jpg
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2015-05-24T15:22:27 < inca> has anyone here used std peripheral lib's hal side by side with chibios?
2015-05-24T15:22:54 < dongs> thats like 2 horrible thigns  together
2015-05-24T15:25:39 < PeterM> dons that looks shopped
2015-05-24T15:26:12 < dongs> which
2015-05-24T15:26:16 < zyp> dongs, so you did in fact get dp/dm wrong? :p
2015-05-24T15:26:25 < dongs> zyp: *i* didnt.
2015-05-24T15:26:29 < dongs> the dude making the schematic+board did
2015-05-24T15:26:30 < PeterM> the LCD just looks fuckin weird
2015-05-24T15:26:35 < dongs> nope lcd is legit
2015-05-24T15:26:50 < PeterM> i know btu it doesn't change that it *looks* shopped
2015-05-24T15:27:27 < dongs> and then I copypasted his USB symbol on a new board that was supposed to verify shit working
2015-05-24T15:27:31 < dongs> and that was fail too :)
2015-05-24T15:27:45 < dongs> then i went to probe dp/dm
2015-05-24T15:27:50 < dongs> opened altidong layout
2015-05-24T15:27:57 < dongs> bitched at him for not naming nets
2015-05-24T15:28:19 < dongs> then i was like, hey its supposed to be vbus dm dp blah bla
2015-05-24T15:28:20 < Thorn> interesting http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/148698
2015-05-24T15:28:57 < dongs> not at all
2015-05-24T15:29:00 < dongs> nothing lunix is interesting
2015-05-24T15:29:01 < ReadError> is the only way to name a net in altidongs is with a netlabel?
2015-05-24T15:29:08 < dongs> yes
2015-05-24T15:29:28 < ReadError> ah alright
2015-05-24T15:30:02 < ReadError> would make sense if you could double click the wire and name it, not modify the stupid width and color
2015-05-24T15:30:46 < dongs> uh
2015-05-24T15:30:52 < dongs> and then you got a bus of 8 wires t o swap
2015-05-24T15:30:56 < zyp> what do you mean netlabel?
2015-05-24T15:30:57 < dongs> good luck doing that by doubleclicking shit
2015-05-24T15:31:25 < zyp> there's a bunch of ways to name nets in altium
2015-05-24T15:31:39 < ReadError> place->netlabel is how ive been doing it atleast
2015-05-24T15:31:43 < zyp> personally I prefer just enabling «allow ports to name nets»
2015-05-24T15:31:55 < ReadError> oh thats a cool feature
2015-05-24T15:32:04 < ReadError> need to check in to that, makes sense
2015-05-24T15:32:24 < zyp> that's what I do, since most interesting nets in my schematics crosses sheets anyway
2015-05-24T15:32:34 < zyp> well, I even use ports for nets that don't
2015-05-24T15:33:39 < dongs> zyp, i had serious issues with that
2015-05-24T15:33:44 < dongs> especially in many sheets schematics
2015-05-24T15:33:48 < dongs> w/blocks and subsheets
2015-05-24T15:33:54 < zyp> I haven't used that yet
2015-05-24T15:33:56 < dongs> allowing ports to name nets
2015-05-24T15:34:23 < zyp> my designs don't tend to be that complex
2015-05-24T15:34:53 < zyp> I mean, so far none have been complex enough for blocks/subsheets to make sense
2015-05-24T15:36:17 < zyp> you'd think that every block prefixed it's name to all its ports
2015-05-24T15:36:19 < zyp> or something
2015-05-24T15:45:40 < PeterM> >>Off Sheet Connector
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2015-05-24T16:07:08 < Laurenceb_> inca: yes
2015-05-24T16:07:17 < Laurenceb_> although it was very haxored
2015-05-24T16:07:29 < Laurenceb_> i only used part of the st periph lib
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2015-05-24T16:12:14 < inca> Laurenceb_: remember what you had to haxor?
2015-05-24T16:13:21 < Laurenceb_> i just copies some headers
2015-05-24T16:13:25 < Laurenceb_> *copied
2015-05-24T16:13:54 < inca> did you disable chibios HAL?
2015-05-24T16:19:24 < Laurenceb_> no
2015-05-24T16:19:36 < Laurenceb_> i was using it for some stuff
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2015-05-24T17:44:39 < ReadError> http://highend-electronics.com/products/audio-magic-premiere-beeswax-super-fuse?variant=1203927619
2015-05-24T17:48:43 < dongs> haha
2015-05-24T17:48:53 < dongs> pins on LPC can't even be assigned different I?o type
2015-05-24T17:49:01 < dongs> like if shit is 'opendrain' you cant use it as pushpull
2015-05-24T17:49:02 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-05-24T17:49:05 < dongs> such shit
2015-05-24T17:49:26 < dongs> how can NXP still be in business
2015-05-24T17:49:29 < dongs> while making such Shite
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2015-05-24T18:58:38 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile in england
2015-05-24T18:58:40 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hTdSg47h3k
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2015-05-24T19:32:01 < kakimir> how gay I'm if I don't buffer my systemwide vref at any point?
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2015-05-24T20:11:48 < Laurenceb_> gay?
2015-05-24T20:12:15 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/649524/You
2015-05-24T20:12:46 < Laurenceb_> watching emdrive is almost as lully as zano
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2015-05-24T22:08:10 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/768Hp1W.gifv
2015-05-24T22:08:19 < ReadError> dongs check this when you wake up
2015-05-24T22:08:21 < ReadError> #japthings
2015-05-24T22:16:21 < specing> Laurenceb_: except EmDrive is actually sciencing
2015-05-24T22:16:45 < Laurenceb_> but its probably going to blow up in their faces
2015-05-24T22:16:52 < Laurenceb_> both literally and metaphorically
2015-05-24T22:17:19 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2015-05-24T22:17:24 < Laurenceb_> they made a rapebot
2015-05-24T22:19:47 < ReadError> only in glorious nippon
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2015-05-24T22:29:47 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660331/Atomic-scientist-reaches-court-settlement-Government-claiming-sacked-discredit-work-believes-stop-global-warming.html
2015-05-24T22:29:49 < Laurenceb_> lol dramaz
2015-05-24T22:31:25 < Laurenceb_> why does this guy not have an emdrive http://jnaudin.free.fr/
2015-05-24T22:31:29 < Laurenceb_> so dissapointed
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2015-05-24T22:49:58 < Laurenceb_> needs to have his lunatic badge revoked
2015-05-24T22:52:00 < Tectu> how's zano?
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2015-05-25T00:46:23 < Laurenceb_> holy fuck
2015-05-25T00:46:25 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2015/PP-41-08.PDF
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2015-05-25T00:50:54 < Thorn> >It may be possible to use nanoscale swastika rotors to extract energy from the hitherto untapped zero point field.
2015-05-25T00:50:56 < _Sync_> wat the srs fuk Laurenceb_
2015-05-25T00:51:00 < Thorn> completely legit
2015-05-25T00:52:07 < Laurenceb_> someone said ptep was a troll journal and at first I thought the articles were serious...
2015-05-25T00:52:45 < Laurenceb_> i got trolld :D
2015-05-25T00:52:57 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy-DC49dzjY russian driving simulator
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2015-05-25T01:31:36 < kakimir> what is the state of innovation?
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2015-05-25T02:17:37 < karlp> what's dongs' github?
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2015-05-25T02:30:53 < scummos> whenever somebody uses the terms "energy generation" and "zero-point field" in the same paragraph you can throw away the text in question ;P
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2015-05-25T02:45:15 < Laurenceb_> they even stole the name http://ptep.oxfordjournals.org/
2015-05-25T02:47:35 < Laurenceb_> wow the lulz never ends
2015-05-25T02:47:44 < Laurenceb_> editor is best buddies with Wolfram
2015-05-25T02:47:45 < Laurenceb_> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SmarandacheFunction.html
2015-05-25T02:48:00 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempner_function#History
2015-05-25T02:52:07 < Getty> "In 1980, following his usual habit, ..." this sounds so like "god, i hate that asshole" ;-)
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2015-05-25T04:37:13 < karlp> thankfully, this is irc, so you're not in charge of my stereo
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2015-05-25T04:45:34 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-05-25T05:18:45 < PeterM> just finishing shit that has been sitting around 90% complete "good enough"
2015-05-25T05:22:29 < inca> is there an easy way to find our what memory address the STM macro's actually modify?
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2015-05-25T05:22:42 < inca> for example, __HAL_RCC_PLL_DISABLE();
2015-05-25T05:23:01 < inca> full macro expansion is: (*(volatile uint32_t *) (((uint32_t)0x42000000) + (((((((uint32_t)0x40000000) + 0x00020000) + 0x3800) - ((uint32_t)0x40000000)) + 0x00) * 32) + (0x18 * 4)) = DISABLE)
2015-05-25T05:23:48 < inca> from TRM, I believe it to be 0x40023800, but seriously, how can I deduce this easily from the code or debugger?
2015-05-25T05:23:56 < PeterM> R2COM its the project equivilent of dongs's chromebook pixel adapter - its finished enough to be useable, but its ugly
2015-05-25T05:26:36 < englishman> jap killing-people-and-making-it-look-like-a-suicide sim http://i.imgur.com/9VPC40e.gifv
2015-05-25T05:30:05 < PeterM> englishman, that game would be tolerable if the voices/soundeffects werent so obnoxious
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2015-05-25T05:56:54 < inca> fwiw, eclipse can do macro expansion. go to step 1 or 2 and it can show something maybe human readible
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2015-05-25T07:59:17 < jpa-> inca: from debugger (gdb) you can also get it by copy-pasting the left side to print command, so it'll tell you the pointer value
2015-05-25T07:59:26 < jpa-> or add a watch in graphical debugger
2015-05-25T07:59:54 < inca> cool
2015-05-25T08:00:32 < inca> jpa-: have you ever seen a wiggler do 50 MHz SWD?
2015-05-25T08:00:56 < jpa-> does some target chip support that high?
2015-05-25T08:01:27 < jpa-> but i don't think the 4MHz (or whatever) swd freq is limiting much anything; usb latency is the worse problem
2015-05-25T08:02:45 < inca> ARM says SWD can handle up to 50 MHz doing around 4 MByte/sec... which is attractive, since I may be generating up to 30 MByte binaries
2015-05-25T08:03:03 < inca> and my current data rates are 10-30 kByte/sec
2015-05-25T08:04:33 < jpa-> 10-30 kB/s sounds more like the flash speed limitation
2015-05-25T08:04:57 < dongs> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/roo/5040905585.html
2015-05-25T08:07:35  * inca loves developing on cheap hardware
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2015-05-25T10:45:25 < dongs> RIP http://rt.com/news/261709-japan-earthquake-shake-tokyo/
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2015-05-25T11:11:53 < ehsanv> hi. i configure stm32f103ret6 SPI1 and everything works except SCK!! i even tried SPI3 (same pinout) and SCK not work again!! why is that?!?!
2015-05-25T11:12:15 < ehsanv> SCK is just pulled up all the time, :(
2015-05-25T11:14:12 < dongs> are you in master mode? lol
2015-05-25T11:14:22 < ehsanv> dongs: yeah
2015-05-25T11:14:33 < ehsanv> dongs: i'm not that dumb! lol
2015-05-25T11:14:57 < ehsanv> dongs: i'm using stmcube
2015-05-25T11:16:08 < ehsanv> SPI3 initialization : http://pastebin.com/yijwNCJa
2015-05-25T11:16:45 < dongs> Did you pick correct pins, is SPI clock on, did you configure pins as AF_PP or whatnot
2015-05-25T11:17:36 < zyp> what does SPI_NSS_SOFT mean?
2015-05-25T11:17:51 < ehsanv> i almost sure HAL_SPI_Init(&hspi3); does it all. because as i said MOSI works perfectly! but i'm not sure about SCK
2015-05-25T11:18:08 < ehsanv> zyp: i don't know, STMCube default values
2015-05-25T11:18:44 < zyp> I'm only familiar with direct registers, and then you have to set both software slave selection mode, and set it high, or something
2015-05-25T11:19:00 < zyp> otherwise you'll be forced into slave mode
2015-05-25T11:19:05 < zyp> even if you selected master mode
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2015-05-25T11:25:06 < dongs> havent had this problem
2015-05-25T11:25:30 < dongs>     spi.SPI_NSS = SPI_NSS_Soft;
2015-05-25T11:25:34 < dongs> my shit is nss_soft too
2015-05-25T11:25:42 < dongs> i dont think it matters unless youre in slavee mode
2015-05-25T11:27:55 < ehsanv> the SCK pin is shared with JTDO function
2015-05-25T11:28:01 < ehsanv> could this be a problem?
2015-05-25T11:28:37 < ehsanv> anyway, i have Chinese version of stm32f103 and this is a problem itself lol
2015-05-25T11:29:24 < dongs> oh
2015-05-25T11:29:26 < dongs> yees
2015-05-25T11:29:30 < dongs> you need to turm off jtag first
2015-05-25T11:29:38 < ehsanv> how?
2015-05-25T11:29:44 < ehsanv> with register?
2015-05-25T11:29:48 < dongs> #define AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW            (0x2 << 24) AFIO->MAPR |= AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW;
2015-05-25T11:29:56 < dongs> er, that was supposed to be 2 lines
2015-05-25T11:30:02 < dongs> #define AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW            (0x2 << 24)
2015-05-25T11:30:05 < dongs> AFIO->MAPR |= AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW;
2015-05-25T11:30:22 < dongs> this leaves you with SWD
2015-05-25T11:30:37 < dongs> but frees up TDO/TDI? i think pins
2015-05-25T11:31:25 < ehsanv> i added these two lines before any initial function
2015-05-25T11:31:56 < dongs> RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_AFIO, ENABLE) might need that too, or at least cube equivalent of it
2015-05-25T11:33:13 < dongs> whatever yotu need to do to turn of AFIO power
2015-05-25T11:33:51 < ehsanv> dongs: haha
2015-05-25T11:34:03 < ehsanv> dongs: those two lines worked!
2015-05-25T11:34:22 < ehsanv> dongs: thank you
2015-05-25T11:35:42 < dongs> < ehsanv> the SCK pin is shared with JTDO function
2015-05-25T11:35:46 < dongs> this is a pretty important bit
2015-05-25T11:35:52 < dongs> actually, this only affects F1 afaik
2015-05-25T11:35:52 < ehsanv> dongs: yeah,
2015-05-25T11:35:58 < dongs> on F3 or F4, you dont need to disable it
2015-05-25T11:36:03 < dongs> you just set pin AF to SPI or whatever
2015-05-25T11:36:06 < dongs> and it'll be there.
2015-05-25T11:36:09 < ehsanv> dongs: i was thought after reset it will change the function
2015-05-25T11:36:20 < dongs> but on F1, jtag overridees any AF
2015-05-25T11:40:52 < PeterM> dongs
2015-05-25T11:41:06 < dongs> sup
2015-05-25T11:41:20 < PeterM> do you know of any jp>rest of world freight forwrders
2015-05-25T11:41:35 < dongs> theres a couple uhh
2015-05-25T11:41:48 < dongs> you mean that buy trash in jp and send out?
2015-05-25T11:42:13 < PeterM> yeah sorta, i jsut want to pick up some hakko shit and i can't find it outside of JP
2015-05-25T11:42:30 < dongs> theres http://www.tenso.com/en/ and one more jappu one im trying to remember
2015-05-25T11:44:26 < dongs> oh the 2nd one i was thinking is yajew auctions forwarding thing
2015-05-25T11:44:28 < PeterM> cheers
2015-05-25T11:44:30 < dongs> that they bid for you and resend
2015-05-25T11:44:32 < dongs> so tenso will work
2015-05-25T11:44:35 < dongs> its legit etc.
2015-05-25T11:44:42 < PeterM> yeah ill have a look at them
2015-05-25T11:45:09 < dongs> im fucking wasted up since 5.30
2015-05-25T11:45:23 < dongs> sent back usb retard to the airport
2015-05-25T11:45:53 < PeterM> hahaha, i'd be mad about that
2015-05-25T11:46:19 < PeterM> flipping usb pins is jsut burnign money - its like how did thye fuck that up
2015-05-25T11:47:15 < ehsanv> dongs: this disabling of jtag even solved a problem in my analog lcd :| i always had a slight red in my lcd(two msb bits on portb, but not shared with jtag)
2015-05-25T11:47:34 < ehsanv> dongs: after disabling jtag, the red gone and now everything is working perfectly!
2015-05-25T11:47:38 < dongs> hah
2015-05-25T11:47:58 < ehsanv> dongs: you're my hero lol
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2015-05-25T13:34:52 < dongs> ^_^
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2015-05-25T13:58:46 < Steffanx> without dongs no ##stm32
2015-05-25T13:59:27 < Steffanx> and bugs, without bugs no ##stm32 either
2015-05-25T13:59:33 < Steffanx> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/other/cspy/stm32.html all centered around dongs and bugs
2015-05-25T14:01:03 < qyx_> pff
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2015-05-25T14:27:09 < dongs> haha
2015-05-25T14:27:38 < dongs> zyp is all about c++ and datasheets
2015-05-25T14:27:41 < dongs> not surprised
2015-05-25T14:27:50 < zyp> :D
2015-05-25T14:30:06 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch#/updates ritot still failing
2015-05-25T14:30:38 < BrainDamage> dongs howrever is a gcc fanatic
2015-05-25T14:30:53 < dongs> not at all
2015-05-25T14:31:11 < BrainDamage> would gcc-chan please notice me? totally tsundere
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2015-05-25T14:38:38 < dongs> goin to bed
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2015-05-26T00:13:26 < Austin___> Hi, new to STM32 chips but to micros in general. Do people generally just use gcc-arm-embedded from the command line only? creating their own makefiles etc?
2015-05-26T00:13:48 < bvernoux> Austin___, yes
2015-05-26T00:14:19 < bvernoux> Austin___, or you can also use EmBlocks which does not use eclipse and is small & fast
2015-05-26T00:14:38 < bvernoux> (and does not requires to write makefile)
2015-05-26T00:15:09 < Austin___> bvernoux: know of any good getting started guides for using the toolchain?
2015-05-26T00:15:34 < Austin___> i found a few, but even a simple LED flash seemed to be a massive undertaking
2015-05-26T00:16:34 < qyx_> Austin___: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples
2015-05-26T00:16:55 < englishman> Austin___: this one time, i downloaded keil
2015-05-26T00:17:03 < englishman> and i clicked the "compile and run" button
2015-05-26T00:17:11 < englishman> and i never learned what a makefile was
2015-05-26T00:17:15 < englishman> for the benefit of society
2015-05-26T00:17:39 < qyx_> Austin___: see this example https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/tree/master/examples/stm32/f4/stm32f4-discovery/miniblink
2015-05-26T00:17:45 < Austin___> englishman: <sarcasm>?
2015-05-26T00:17:53 < qyx_> or select some other for your board
2015-05-26T00:17:59 < Austin___> qyx_: thanks, i'll take a look
2015-05-26T00:18:06 < englishman> then i could spend time working, instead of dicking with arcane text-based development "environments"
2015-05-26T00:18:20 < Austin___> makefiles seem to be something that an IDE should be handling
2015-05-26T00:18:30 < Austin___> it's definitely something i dont wanna to be 'faffing' with
2015-05-26T00:18:45 < Austin___> want*
2015-05-26T00:19:02 < bvernoux> for tuto check libopencm3 ...
2015-05-26T00:19:20 < bvernoux> anyway libopencm3 needs to use makefile
2015-05-26T00:19:21 < qyx_> you will find no-ide a feature when you will try to do some automatic building/testing/etc.
2015-05-26T00:19:41 < Austin___> but until then...
2015-05-26T00:19:45 < qyx_> i hope keil supports some continuous integration.. integration
2015-05-26T00:20:42 < Austin___> what are some well regarded IDE's then? im running ubuntu
2015-05-26T00:20:52 < englishman> off to a great start.
2015-05-26T00:21:15 < Austin___> (in a VM)
2015-05-26T00:21:33 < Fleck> wasn't emblocks for wincrap only?
2015-05-26T00:22:10 < Austin___> first glance says yes
2015-05-26T00:22:11 < qyx_> bvernoux: whats "for tuto"?
2015-05-26T00:22:53 < bvernoux> Fleck, yes it was planned for Linux too
2015-05-26T00:23:00 < bvernoux> in roadmap
2015-05-26T00:23:08 < qyx_> aha, tutorial from french
2015-05-26T00:23:18 < bvernoux> I like Emblocks because all is integrated and fast WITHOUT using Eclipse
2015-05-26T00:23:31 < Austin___> whats bad about eclipse?
2015-05-26T00:23:33 < bvernoux> tuto= tutorial
2015-05-26T00:23:54 < englishman> eclipse runs on java, which is known malware from Oracle
2015-05-26T00:23:56 < bvernoux> Eclipse is big slow and use lot of memory for nothing
2015-05-26T00:24:00 < bvernoux> thanks to JAVA ...
2015-05-26T00:24:22 < qyx_> funny how people tend to strictly differentiate between "life with eclipse" and "life without"
2015-05-26T00:24:54 < Austin___> so whats a better alternative?
2015-05-26T00:24:59 < Fleck> yeah, eclipse sucks :/
2015-05-26T00:25:02 < Austin___> - to eclipse
2015-05-26T00:25:16 < bvernoux> command line + makefile ;)
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2015-05-26T00:25:26 < bvernoux> + GNU ARM ;)
2015-05-26T00:25:34 < englishman> emacs and GCC of course
2015-05-26T00:25:37 < bvernoux> and msys if you are using win
2015-05-26T00:25:51 < Austin___> englishman: & makefiles?
2015-05-26T00:25:56 < englishman> of course make files!
2015-05-26T00:26:01 < englishman> i also request web pages via email
2015-05-26T00:26:07 < Austin___> woo
2015-05-26T00:26:26 < bvernoux> anywa MCU needs to know what you are doing where you push data, code ...
2015-05-26T00:26:34 < bvernoux> so makefile & map file inspection is a must
2015-05-26T00:26:41 < bvernoux> with linker script
2015-05-26T00:26:50 < englishman> and use a Lemote laptop
2015-05-26T00:26:53 < bvernoux> else you can have bug you will never understand
2015-05-26T00:27:04 < qyx_> do you have to?
2015-05-26T00:27:11 < qyx_> just write to support contact
2015-05-26T00:27:34 < Austin___> will the examples in libopencm3 go over all this?
2015-05-26T00:27:42 < Austin___> or is it just C/C++?
2015-05-26T00:27:42 < qyx_> yes
2015-05-26T00:27:46 < Austin___> ah, brilliant
2015-05-26T00:27:55 < bvernoux> Austin___, libopencm3 is mainly a big library with some examples
2015-05-26T00:27:59 < qyx_> you will also need something to flash your program
2015-05-26T00:28:07 < bvernoux> Austin___, and it contains some makefile ready to goo
2015-05-26T00:28:11 < qyx_> eg. openocd
2015-05-26T00:28:42 < Austin___> when i was last on, did someone say that openocd is bundled in the toolchain?
2015-05-26T00:28:53 < bvernoux> but do not try debugging using just shell + gdb else you will hate debugging on MCU ;)
2015-05-26T00:29:03 < bvernoux> a GUI + IDE is really better for that
2015-05-26T00:29:10 < qyx_> no, openocd is not part of gnu arm embedded toolchain
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2015-05-26T00:29:52 < bvernoux> Austin___, I will just recommend you to start with EmBlocks then switch to libopencm3 ... or try the both
2015-05-26T00:30:16 < bvernoux> Austin___, but advantage with Emblocks is you can immediatly run a hello world and debug it step by step with integrated debugger ...
2015-05-26T00:30:28 < englishman> are there any freetard tools that support memory mapped peripherals like keil does
2015-05-26T00:30:36 < bvernoux> as using openocd + gdb + shell is not trivial if you have never do it before
2015-05-26T00:31:03 < bvernoux> englishman, yes EmBlocks or plugin in Eclipse ;)
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2015-05-26T00:31:48 < Austin___> bvernoux: thats the case. I'm brand new to it. Willing to learn, but also anxious to start on my first project
2015-05-26T00:31:50 < englishman> someone sent me a screencap of eclipse showing amazing debugging, and it was just regular memory map
2015-05-26T00:31:55 < englishman> er, memory
2015-05-26T00:32:13 < englishman> is there an addon for peripherals and what their bits do, etc
2015-05-26T00:32:27 < bvernoux> yes there is some cool addon for peripheral
2015-05-26T00:32:33 < bvernoux> for different MCU
2015-05-26T00:32:39 < englishman> oh neato
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2015-05-26T00:34:56 < bvernoux> especially when it is based on CMSIS stuff
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2015-05-26T01:35:49 < kakimir> do you use background streams / radio programs when sleeping?
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2015-05-26T01:41:20 < qyx_> no
2015-05-26T01:41:43 < qyx_> i just sleep
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2015-05-26T01:47:47 < kakimir> what a fool I was when I handed my radio - amplifier to my friend
2015-05-26T01:48:06 < kakimir> basically free
2015-05-26T01:49:33 < kakimir> night programs were nice and in the morning great tunes woke me up
2015-05-26T01:51:55 < kakimir> oh I blowed my speakers and bought bigger amplifier and didn't buy new speaker drivers until this year
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2015-05-26T02:57:43 < dongs> karlp: damn, it was awesome tho
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2015-05-26T03:48:02 < dongs> http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/etc/5041535653.html
2015-05-26T03:48:03 < dongs> attn zyp
2015-05-26T03:49:43 < Getty> a friend just "explained" me verilog what that is...
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2015-05-26T03:50:59 < dongs> waut
2015-05-26T03:51:07 < dongs> R2COM: because japan
2015-05-26T03:51:13 < dongs> are you applying?
2015-05-26T03:51:49 < dongs> get a skirt, he probably wont notice
2015-05-26T03:57:02 < dongs> i dont, i just retweet the funny bits
2015-05-26T03:57:06 < dongs> i dont have time for this shit
2015-05-26T04:02:51 < dongs> We are supplier of the screen for Blackmagic Porket Cinema Camera. We support online buying for repairing. You know we are manufacturer, when you want to buy more, pls contact with us. For
2015-05-26T04:02:55 < dongs> multi manufacturer need time to produce.
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2015-05-26T04:12:47 < Getty> r2com: i wouldnt call it "knowledge" but understanding how a processor come into existence is now a bit more logical
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2015-05-26T04:13:34 < Getty> r2com: i was like "how does that processor come together?" and now i understand that a bit more, i just imagined people at giant whiteboards for this, now i see the "pieces" with understanding what verilog does (or this other alternative, probably there is even more, i bet)
2015-05-26T04:14:30 < Getty> its like, i imagined the processor design be more like a tiny tiny electronic board, which is of course "technical" is, but like no real human is "laying" the lines
2015-05-26T04:14:44 < Getty> that makes now more sense
2015-05-26T04:15:13 < BrainDamage> that logical functions for rtl are often expressed in hdl
2015-05-26T04:15:45 < BrainDamage> he tought they were defined with schematic entry at gate level
2015-05-26T04:15:58 < BrainDamage> they don't
2015-05-26T04:16:18 < BrainDamage> it just allows interoperation and optimization a bit more easily
2015-05-26T04:16:56 < Getty> yeah sure, but i was like not understanding how someone can design those "gigantic" processors (like if i look at the processor its a gigant amount of.... connections)
2015-05-26T04:17:25 < Getty> now i see that there is technology for the subparts (however solved, verilog was just an understanding that this direction for chips exist at all)
2015-05-26T04:18:42 < Getty> i know i still know nothing ;) but its a first step
2015-05-26T04:19:24 < inca> is the FMC smart enough to arbitrate two separate memory accesses on the same FMC bus from one external memory to another?
2015-05-26T04:19:47 < inca> for example, copy a word of NOR flash directly to SDRAM?
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2015-05-26T04:27:21 < dongs> Dear IDA User,
2015-05-26T04:27:22 < dongs> We have to inform you that we detected a possible information leak on one of our servers. Some of the license key files may have been compromised, as well as the web forum & quotation system. The information in the license key file includes you name and email and the product names.
2015-05-26T04:27:27 < dongs> hahahaha
2015-05-26T04:27:47 < dongs> fucking retards
2015-05-26T04:28:02 < inca> the insecurity
2015-05-26T04:32:13 < inca> dongs: have you ever had two memory peripherals on FMC/FSCM?
2015-05-26T04:32:49 < dongs> i dont remembe,r i htink i had sram and nand, connected but not used same time.
2015-05-26T04:33:39 < inca> hmm... I would think that DMA would handle the bus arbitration
2015-05-26T04:44:52 < englishman> dongs did it ever occur to you to use ida on ida to crack license
2015-05-26T04:45:50 < dongs> i think it actually has something wehre  you can't disassemble ida with ida
2015-05-26T04:45:59 < dongs> or at least it did back in 5.x versions, i didnt really give a fuck to try
2015-05-26T04:47:18 < dongs> also, it doesnt really matter
2015-05-26T04:47:37 < dongs> getting the latest binaries (if you dont have support/license) is the problem, not finding a key to run it with
2015-05-26T04:54:51 < englishman> resistive losses of 30g cable can be noninsignificant
2015-05-26T04:55:33 < dongs> is that bus powered?
2015-05-26T04:55:35 < dongs> or just signals
2015-05-26T04:58:04 < dongs> sounds like signal integrity then
2015-05-26T04:58:22 < dongs> you can' really "extend" usb
2015-05-26T04:58:24 < dongs> cant
2015-05-26T04:59:17 < dongs> not gonna work
2015-05-26T05:00:44 < dongs> there's usb>fiber
2015-05-26T05:00:52 < dongs> the only way to do it properly
2015-05-26T05:01:24 < dongs> wat
2015-05-26T05:03:18 < dongs> around, depends whose maker
2015-05-26T05:03:37 < dongs> usb spec max length is 5meters
2015-05-26T05:03:46 < dongs> anything over that will need active extenders
2015-05-26T05:03:55 < dongs> either fiber or reclocker whatever shit, apparently it exists
2015-05-26T05:04:02 < dongs> http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030312&p_id=6149&seq=1&format=2
2015-05-26T05:07:30 < dongs> thats active
2015-05-26T05:07:35 < dongs> so should, yes
2015-05-26T05:07:54 < dongs> seems to have pretty good reviews
2015-05-26T05:07:57 < dongs> so probly not scam
2015-05-26T05:25:33 < dongs> sure
2015-05-26T05:26:04 < dongs> has less good reviews
2015-05-26T05:26:12 < dongs> if you only need 10 meters I dont realyl see why you'd keep this
2015-05-26T05:26:30 < dongs> -3
2015-05-26T05:26:30 < dongs> votes
2015-05-26T05:26:31 < dongs> Can I use this product to charge an iPad remotely?
2015-05-26T05:26:31 < dongs> rofl
2015-05-26T05:29:30 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/playhausdesign/skoot lol @ shape
2015-05-26T05:32:36 < PeterM> dongs, i could see that shit gettin stuck on the msallest of rocks
2015-05-26T05:32:41 < PeterM> potholes etc
2015-05-26T05:32:45 < PeterM> garbage
2015-05-26T05:35:34 < PeterM> many of the best features of a bicycle include 1) not standing up, 2) gearing, 3) not looking like such a fuckign tool (you do still look like a tool, just not to the same degree)
2015-05-26T05:35:52 < PeterM> im surprised it even for $327
2015-05-26T05:37:01 < dongs> $550 gets you that shit
2015-05-26T05:37:08 < dongs> 'hand made from salvaged bycicles"
2015-05-26T05:37:16 < Simon--> dongs: would not want to hit anything while riding that
2015-05-26T05:37:17 < dongs> i think they're tryingto appeal to greenfags/hipsters
2015-05-26T05:37:38 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/774/256/757960eb594a52e7bac48bdbffe0cf41_original.jpg?v=1431394218&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=1e217ba57cbda66583d29713d63e6e06 or else t his is what the aftermath wlil look ike
2015-05-26T05:37:54 < englishman> Dongs old news but http://consumerist.com/2015/05/22/watch-company-collects-1-million-on-kickstarter-spends-it-all-then-hides/
2015-05-26T05:37:55 < dongs> plus there will be a body outline in chalk
2015-05-26T05:38:08 < dongs> englishman: oldas fuck, i pasted the original tweet with graphs and van living and shit
2015-05-26T05:38:14 < dongs> like a month ago
2015-05-26T05:38:24 < englishman> Van living wat
2015-05-26T05:38:25 < dongs> consumerfaggits just geting on the tweetwagon
2015-05-26T05:38:30 < dongs> englishman: the c st guy.
2015-05-26T05:38:39 < dongs> when they ran out of money, he started living in a van next to one of factories
2015-05-26T05:39:56 < dongs> i think that was one of dickstarter updates
2015-05-26T05:40:08 < englishman> Lol
2015-05-26T05:40:20 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch/posts/1203110
2015-05-26T05:40:23 < dongs> yes this
2015-05-26T05:40:28 < dongs> April 18
2015-05-26T05:40:32 < dongs> you're only over a month late.
2015-05-26T05:40:56 < dongs> apparently the van stuff was contested
2015-05-26T05:41:05 < dongs> there's some forums wiht conspiracy stuff saying stuff doesnt add up
2015-05-26T05:41:36 < dongs> A) From photographs, we know there were at least 35 units produced and packaged for release in late February. Several of these went to friends and professional acquaintances who wrote glowing responses or reviews. This looks like both nepotism and conspiracy to defraud.
2015-05-26T05:41:40 < dongs> HEH
2015-05-26T05:41:43 < englishman> My only updates come from chats, sry
2015-05-26T05:41:44 < dongs> http://cstbackers.freeforums.net/post/38/
2015-05-26T05:45:16 < englishman> How is zano?
2015-05-26T05:45:47 < dongs> nothing new
2015-05-26T05:45:53 < dongs> apparently next video covers the "zano camera"
2015-05-26T05:46:08 < dongs> super-excited to see how they're goign to try to dig themselves out of that one
2015-05-26T05:46:37 < englishman> :>
2015-05-26T05:57:19 < dongs> they didn't think much about DFM when designing it
2015-05-26T05:57:30 < dongs> and ended up trashing half the stock for whatever reasons
2015-05-26T05:57:37 < dongs> because it was too hard to make
2015-05-26T05:57:57 < dongs> there's nothing to return, lol
2015-05-26T05:58:02 < dongs> thats why they cant make more
2015-05-26T05:58:11 < dongs> they need another 1.2mil to finish what they were already given 1mil for
2015-05-26T05:58:26 < dongs> nope
2015-05-26T05:58:30 < dongs> because dickstarter.
2015-05-26T05:58:34 < dongs> sorry, we fucked up. kthxbai
2015-05-26T05:58:38 < englishman> Liable,  lol
2015-05-26T05:58:50 < englishman> You donate to dickstarter
2015-05-26T05:58:55 < englishman> You dont buy shit
2015-05-26T05:59:27 < englishman> Donating to dickstarter is like donating to africa
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2015-05-26T06:39:56 < dongs> yes
2015-05-26T06:40:19 < dongs> is that the zynq garbage
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2015-05-26T06:41:28 < dongs> get blazed
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2015-05-26T07:53:57 < PeterM> R2COM, because they are dumb
2015-05-26T07:54:09 < PeterM> the same reason why they backed impossible product in the first place
2015-05-26T07:54:54 < dongs> dicknplacing
2015-05-26T07:55:07 < dongs> lol internet crimes
2015-05-26T07:55:11 < dongs> they're oto busy hunting down cp
2015-05-26T07:55:16 < dongs> to carry about this petty shit
2015-05-26T07:55:21 < dongs> care
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2015-05-26T08:12:57 < dongs> so this fuckface ordered something in march
2015-05-26T08:12:59 < dongs> with EMS shipping
2015-05-26T08:13:03 < dongs> I sent it out same day
2015-05-26T08:13:09 < dongs> it arrived to his shitty place on march 11th
2015-05-26T08:13:16 < dongs> post office decided his address was wrong (it wasnt)
2015-05-26T08:13:21 < dongs> he emails me now "where is my shit"
2015-05-26T08:13:32 < dongs> > march
2015-05-26T08:13:35 < dongs> > may 26th
2015-05-26T08:15:44 < dongs> i expect them to at least do their part of the work
2015-05-26T08:16:14 < dongs> i guess usps
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2015-05-26T08:16:47 < dongs> of course i do
2015-05-26T08:17:07 < dongs> thats the fucking problem. dumbfuck customer.
2015-05-26T08:18:00 < dongs> i asked dicknplace software dude to add 'mirror pcb data by x/y"
2015-05-26T08:18:06 < dongs> so i can import altium dicknplace for bottom
2015-05-26T08:18:12 < dongs> he added it in like totally different place
2015-05-26T08:18:24 < dongs> now i have to do liek 5 extra steps to mirror
2015-05-26T08:18:31 < dongs> still less work than doing it in excel manualyl but god damn
2015-05-26T08:18:51 < dongs> no
2015-05-26T08:18:54 < dongs> like xy data
2015-05-26T08:18:56 < dongs> for where parts are
2015-05-26T08:19:17 < dongs> altidong outputs 'bottom' xy as if its looking through
2015-05-26T08:19:26 < dongs> i cant evne imagine any time when such shit would be useful
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2015-05-26T08:23:22 < dongs> wut
2015-05-26T08:23:47 < zyp> having bottom in the same coordinate system as top makes sense as long as the tools understand what's top and what's bottom
2015-05-26T08:24:41 < zyp> the reason it doesn't make sense for your shitty p&p is because it doesn't
2015-05-26T08:24:56 < dongs> rightg
2015-05-26T08:25:06 < dongs> fucking jap garbage
2015-05-26T08:30:04 < dongs> and this singaporean fuckface keeps emailing me saying they always receive less shit than they order
2015-05-26T08:30:08 < dongs> this is liek the second time
2015-05-26T08:30:14 < dongs> i guess i need to start taking pics.
2015-05-26T08:30:20 < dongs> why are some people so fucking dumb, fuck.
2015-05-26T08:30:56 < dongs> they would fucking lie and do scumbag shit over like 20 bucks
2015-05-26T08:31:08 < dongs> or 200 i duno whatever thefuck he claims he didnt receive
2015-05-26T08:32:01 < zyp> some people like wasting their and others time
2015-05-26T08:37:04 < dongs> at least they reply quick
2015-05-26T08:37:16 < dongs> got a new .exe that mirrors from where i expect it to be :)
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2015-05-26T09:03:48 < dongs> sure
2015-05-26T09:03:52 < dongs> im not losing anything its just cunty
2015-05-26T09:05:50 < dongs> no, they're just gonna pay "less" than waht they ordered
2015-05-26T09:09:49 < dongs> there was more of one shit and less of another, it might be not much... i didnt bohter claculating yet
2015-05-26T09:09:52 < dongs> lemme see
2015-05-26T09:10:59 < dongs> lulz
2015-05-26T09:11:01 < dongs> they will pay me more
2015-05-26T09:11:10 < dongs> shruggin
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2015-05-26T10:08:34 < dongs> haha, this is like 14 bucks http://i.imgur.com/bIwqcH1.jpg
2015-05-26T10:08:39 < dongs> 12V/120W
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2015-05-26T10:09:14 < PeterM> sounds about right
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2015-05-26T10:35:05 < dongs> PeterM: do you think its complete garbage
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2015-05-26T10:43:14 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs:  http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2015/PP-41-08.PDF
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2015-05-26T11:24:56 < PeterM> dongs i think it will deliver 120w into a resistive load. but at the same time, i think it will be noisy as all fuck, and get quite hot if run at 100% dutycycle
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2015-05-26T11:42:40 < dongs> its for steppers and trash
2015-05-26T11:43:00 < dongs> 9A into resistive load, then during normal use ~1A  at most
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2015-05-26T11:50:16 < jpa-> should work fine
2015-05-26T11:50:37 < jpa-> a bit ripplety output and also if you want it to last longer you may want to have a few big elcaps after it
2015-05-26T11:51:06 < dongs> there's a few alu caps on the main big board its powering
2015-05-26T11:51:16 < jpa-> yep
2015-05-26T11:54:24 < ReadError> dongs just do it like any ole reprapist, ATX PSU
2015-05-26T11:54:51 < jpa-> or use 24V for the nicest stepper chirps!
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2015-05-26T12:11:17 < dongs> yeah i told the asshole to do it with 24V stuff
2015-05-26T12:17:46 < Laurenceb__> lolz
2015-05-26T12:18:07 < Laurenceb__>  £38k just vanished from one of our work bank accounts
2015-05-26T12:18:18 < Laurenceb__> dat pro accounting
2015-05-26T12:18:22 < dongs> how do you like your new lexus
2015-05-26T12:18:54 < Laurenceb__> haha
2015-05-26T12:19:13 < Laurenceb__> lolz email shitstorm going on right now
2015-05-26T12:24:30 < PeterM> dongs jsut put a diode on the input to your 3v3 regulator and some caps so if the PSU browns out yuour micro doesnt reset- nobody cars if their steppers miss a few steps but if their thing reboots thats a cunt
2015-05-26T12:27:06 < zyp> uh, doesn't regulators usually act as a diode by itself anyway?
2015-05-26T12:27:31 < zyp> and if you're doing precision shit, missing steps is a big deal
2015-05-26T12:28:18 < PeterM> >implying there is no feedback
2015-05-26T12:28:29 < PeterM> wait... there is fpositional feed back, rihgt?
2015-05-26T12:29:20 < zyp> what's the point of using steppers then?
2015-05-26T12:29:47 < zyp> is it really cheaper to add circuitry to detect missed steps rather than design shit properly so it doesn't miss steps?
2015-05-26T12:30:06 < Laurenceb__> or use servomotor
2015-05-26T12:30:18 < ReadError> if your 3d printer is missing steps
2015-05-26T12:30:23 < ReadError> you have a huge problem
2015-05-26T12:30:31 < ReadError> theres like no load on the motors
2015-05-26T12:31:39 < PeterM> if the luser is providing thte psu there is nothgin you can do if user provides shit
2015-05-26T12:32:28 < Laurenceb__> arent there end stops?
2015-05-26T12:32:42 < ReadError> whats endstops have to do w/ missed steps?
2015-05-26T12:32:59 < Laurenceb__> you can fix if there are only rare missed steps
2015-05-26T12:33:44 < ReadError> yea but its hard to determine if its a missed step vs mechanical slop
2015-05-26T12:33:55 < ReadError> if you are relying on the homing switches
2015-05-26T12:33:58 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-05-26T12:34:08 < Laurenceb__> both are as bad
2015-05-26T12:39:40 < PeterM> [19:29] <zyp> what's the point of using steppers then? - better torque control, better movement resolution (resolution not accuracy)
2015-05-26T12:40:37 < Laurenceb__> hmmm
2015-05-26T12:40:52 < Laurenceb__> someone needs to maker one with servomotors
2015-05-26T12:41:59 < Laurenceb__> http://www.emersonindustrial.com/en-US/controltechniques/products/servomotors/unimotorhd/Pages/unimotorhd.aspx
2015-05-26T12:46:23 < dongs> < PeterM> wait... there is fpositional feed back, rihgt?
2015-05-26T12:46:26 < dongs> of course not
2015-05-26T12:47:07 < dongs> Laurenceb__: is there a pic with hand for scale
2015-05-26T12:47:08 < Laurenceb__> lol http://emdrive.echothis.com/Main_Page
2015-05-26T12:47:21 < Laurenceb__> lolwut?? get datashit
2015-05-26T12:47:26 < dongs> lazy
2015-05-26T12:47:46 < Laurenceb__> there are small 50mm square ones
2015-05-26T12:50:46 < Laurenceb__> pity LeoBodnar doesnt hang on #highaltitude any more
2015-05-26T12:51:01 < Laurenceb__> he installs commercial servomotor systems for a living :P
2015-05-26T12:51:07 < dongs> did he go all commercialfag
2015-05-26T12:51:11 < dongs> and stopped chatting
2015-05-26T12:51:16 < Laurenceb__> yup lol
2015-05-26T12:51:30 < Laurenceb__> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/
2015-05-26T12:51:55 < Laurenceb__> he also runs that
2015-05-26T12:51:55 < dongs> loler
2015-05-26T12:52:02 < dongs> wut
2015-05-26T12:52:03 < Laurenceb__> holy shit the prices
2015-05-26T12:52:06 < dongs> looks like random garbage
2015-05-26T12:52:12 < Laurenceb__> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=101&zenid=4aa3aa38cd232e91e9168ad635ea5c0f
2015-05-26T12:52:13 < dongs> simsteering wat
2015-05-26T12:52:34 < dongs> what a cunt
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2015-05-26T12:52:53 < dongs> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=94&zenid=ee490e2d8f1d17d28463406c3f5ace6a this looks like zyp competition
2015-05-26T12:52:59 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UiC8C4yzNBk
2015-05-26T12:53:48 < dongs> lol front wheels in the sim dont turn
2015-05-26T12:53:51 < dongs> such realism fail
2015-05-26T13:03:23 < Laurenceb__> they are moving
2015-05-26T13:09:36 < zyp> dongs, pic18f, such competition
2015-05-26T13:10:08 < dongs> Laurenceb__: i dont see htem move
2015-05-26T13:10:26 < karlp> dongs: you gotta screencap those cragislist postings, that tokyo one is gone too
2015-05-26T13:12:17 < dongs> karlp: haha i did t hat one
2015-05-26T13:12:19 < dongs> lemme imgur it
2015-05-26T13:13:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/peTwEmj.png
2015-05-26T13:14:14 < dongs> also attn zyp ^ if you havent seen it
2015-05-26T13:14:41 < dongs> ~420$/week i retweeted to my azn pal and she was like "oh joy, i qualify"
2015-05-26T13:16:54 < Laurenceb__> not sure i qualify
2015-05-26T13:17:39 < scrts_w> dongs: one russian lady emailed me to be a husband
2015-05-26T13:17:41 < scrts_w> interested?
2015-05-26T13:17:43 < zyp> haha
2015-05-26T13:17:49 < scrts_w> I wanted to troll her so much
2015-05-26T13:17:51 < dongs> scrts_w: only one?
2015-05-26T13:17:55 < scrts_w> but didn't have time
2015-05-26T13:18:03 < dongs> scrts_w: arent those mailorderbride spams liek 24/7 thing
2015-05-26T13:18:07 < scrts_w> dongs: I rarely check my spam folder
2015-05-26T13:18:22 < scrts_w> dongs: you know what you subscribe for, don't you? :)
2015-05-26T13:18:45 < dongs> it is like about the only thing that sometimes passes gmail filters
2015-05-26T13:18:50 < dongs> cuz that spam is like
2015-05-26T13:19:04 < dongs> hi, <first part of email>. meet me xxx or someshit liek that
2015-05-26T13:19:10 < dongs> not evne a url or anything or maybe google filters it
2015-05-26T13:19:13 < dongs> so its completely worthless
2015-05-26T13:19:17 < scrts_w> and if you respond - a bot responds back?
2015-05-26T13:19:25 < dongs> i never bothered i just delete it
2015-05-26T13:19:40 < scrts_w> request for boobs photo
2015-05-26T13:20:34 < dongs> probably more chances of getting that out of nigerian scammer
2015-05-26T13:20:38 < dongs> than from a spambot
2015-05-26T13:20:40 < zyp> hmm
2015-05-26T13:20:58 < scrts_w> boobspambot
2015-05-26T13:21:00 < zyp> two thirds of my spam folder is in chinese, dunno what's up with that
2015-05-26T13:21:04 < scrts_w> wouldn't be that bad
2015-05-26T13:21:14 < dongs> zyp, some 168.com type trash?
2015-05-26T13:21:19 < scrts_w> mine is somehow russian
2015-05-26T13:21:21 < dongs> i used to get some garbage from ic2ic or something
2015-05-26T13:21:23 < scrts_w> not 2/3, but like 4/5
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2015-05-26T13:21:55 < scrts_w> dongs: did you try that ic2ic?
2015-05-26T13:21:58 < scrts_w> scam shit?
2015-05-26T13:22:08 < dongs> no clue, i dont generally read spam
2015-05-26T13:22:11 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/RXH2C.png
2015-05-26T13:22:21 < dongs> haha @ having zyp in there
2015-05-26T13:22:34 < dongs> hm some of those asay like Re: in chink
2015-05-26T13:22:56 < zyp> well, email addr is zyp@, so that's pretty natural
2015-05-26T13:22:58 < Laurenceb__> Devina?
2015-05-26T13:23:03 < Laurenceb__> lolz
2015-05-26T13:23:10 < zyp> I'd be more surprised if it had my real name anywhere
2015-05-26T13:23:18 < dongs> that devina shit sounds like the kinda stuff i get
2015-05-26T13:23:28 < dongs> just random text and short message inside
2015-05-26T13:23:29 < dongs> no links/etc
2015-05-26T13:23:43 < Laurenceb__> how do i java
2015-05-26T13:23:56 < dongs> give to your babe more satisfaction
2015-05-26T13:23:57 < Laurenceb__> i have .jar files and shit in some download
2015-05-26T13:24:03 < Laurenceb__> what do i click on?
2015-05-26T13:24:04 < dongs> sadly i dont get a lot of penis pump spam :(
2015-05-26T13:24:16 < dongs> Laurenceb__: drop it on top of javaw.exe
2015-05-26T13:24:36 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-05-26T13:25:08 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2015-05-26T13:25:10 < Laurenceb__> it runs
2015-05-26T13:25:32 < Laurenceb__> Fatal error: Call to undefined function findRecommendedVersion() in /var/www/web3/web/update-check/index.php on line 68
2015-05-26T13:26:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zsoSG01.png my spam is just  jap porn spam
2015-05-26T13:26:54 < dongs> by the looks of it, from same place
2015-05-26T13:26:58 < scrts_w> it seems like penis enlargement tools have been sold out
2015-05-26T13:27:02 < dongs> and pretty prolific
2015-05-26T13:27:03 < scrts_w> long time no spam :D
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2015-05-26T13:27:54 < zyp> wow, that's quite a lot
2015-05-26T13:28:18 < dongs> this is emailingto my ancient email address taht was on some lunix mailing lists > 10 years ago
2015-05-26T13:28:27 < scrts_w> dongs: that pink flower/leaf background is amazing!
2015-05-26T13:28:36 < dongs> scrts_w: its one of gmail themes
2015-05-26T13:28:38 < dongs> i agree, its greate
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2015-05-26T13:31:50 < zyp> hmm, bored
2015-05-26T13:32:00 < zyp> time to dick around with quadrotor shit again maybe
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2015-05-26T13:37:00 < PeterM> zyp name starts with z zano starts with z zyp mentioned quadrotor zano is quad zyp = zano confirmed
2015-05-26T13:37:44 < zyp> and another similarity: my quadrotor doesn't fly yet either
2015-05-26T13:38:18 < PeterM> 3 things in common between zyp and zano
2015-05-26T13:38:25 < PeterM> half life 3 confirmed
2015-05-26T13:41:29 < Laurenceb__> anyone know any decent application for plotting csv files?
2015-05-26T13:41:48 < zyp> excel?
2015-05-26T13:42:36 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-05-26T13:42:47 < Laurenceb__> some of the files have 10^8 rows
2015-05-26T13:42:52 < zyp> I tend to just hack up some python shit with matplotlib
2015-05-26T13:43:04 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-05-26T13:43:28 < Laurenceb__> yeah this has to be perman00b friendly and run on win98 style ancient desktops
2015-05-26T13:43:44 < zyp> good luck with that
2015-05-26T13:43:57 < Laurenceb__> I've recommended datplot in the past, but the users want to be able to add labels
2015-05-26T13:44:13 < Laurenceb__> and apparently datplot labels are buggy on their ancient machines
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2015-05-26T13:47:09 < Laurenceb__> lol https://plot.ly/plot
2015-05-26T13:47:17 < Laurenceb__> sounds like random startup generator
2015-05-26T13:50:05 < Laurenceb__> rageee signup
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2015-05-26T13:51:49 < specing> Laurenceb__: octave
2015-05-26T13:52:05 < Laurenceb__> sure
2015-05-26T13:52:15 < Laurenceb__> thats not perman00b friendly
2015-05-26T13:53:22 < Laurenceb__> plotly it is
2015-05-26T13:53:33 < specing> it is, just make a wrapper that calls octave on a file
2015-05-26T13:53:39 < Laurenceb__> just
2015-05-26T13:53:49 < Laurenceb__> then i have to install octave on their shitboxes
2015-05-26T13:54:15 < Laurenceb__> i think they do have fairly recent firefox installed
2015-05-26T13:57:03 < Laurenceb__>  "there was an issue decoding your file"
2015-05-26T13:57:06 < Laurenceb__> this is going well
2015-05-26T13:58:24 < dongs> ~holy shit
2015-05-26T13:58:28 < dongs> 2415Q is like half the weifght
2015-05-26T13:58:31 < dongs> of 2414
2015-05-26T13:58:37 < dongs> and about 1/3 thinner too
2015-05-26T13:58:46 < dongs> also: no SD card reader
2015-05-26T13:58:48 < dongs> thats kinda a boner
2015-05-26T13:59:25 < specing> 2415Q?
2015-05-26T13:59:29 < specing> 2414?
2015-05-26T13:59:48 < dongs> but i suppose I should just get a proper card reader.
2015-05-26T13:59:51 < Laurenceb__> its 2414 and we live in space
2015-05-26T13:59:52 < dongs> since it doesnt read half the cards anyway.
2015-05-26T14:02:33 < Laurenceb__> lol poltly == clusterfuck
2015-05-26T14:03:49 < dongs> hm
2015-05-26T14:03:52 < dongs> USB not working is a bigger concern
2015-05-26T14:03:53 < dongs> wtf
2015-05-26T14:06:20 < Laurenceb__> lol firefox died
2015-05-26T14:06:38 < Laurenceb__> ctrl-alt-del tiem
2015-05-26T14:08:21 < Laurenceb__> sigh
2015-05-26T14:08:26 < Laurenceb__> why is this is hard
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2015-05-26T14:24:33 < dongs> hm it is working
2015-05-26T14:24:38 < dongs> but fucking dell USB soundbar is stoned
2015-05-26T14:24:40 < dongs> what the hellllllllll
2015-05-26T14:25:42 < Laurenceb__> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
2015-05-26T14:25:47 < Laurenceb__> jewwwwwwwwwssssssss
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2015-05-26T15:41:23 < englishman> dongs: the wheels are turning
2015-05-26T15:41:27 < englishman> they turn about that much irl
2015-05-26T15:41:50 < englishman> 2415q has speakers? what for?
2015-05-26T15:42:01 < englishman> monitor speakers are so dumb usually
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2015-05-26T16:37:03 < dongs> it has line out
2015-05-26T16:37:06 < dongs> uses displayport audio
2015-05-26T16:37:11 < dongs> you can hook it up to some trash on the back
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2015-05-26T16:49:04 < dongs> you can connect like self powered speakers to it
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2015-05-26T17:16:53 < _Sync_> dongs: can that trash upscale?
2015-05-26T17:18:55 < dongs> which trash
2015-05-26T17:19:23 < _Sync_> 2415q
2015-05-26T17:19:33 < dongs> sure, what the hell kinda monitor would it be if it couldnt
2015-05-26T17:19:38 < dongs> you can still paly shittygames fullscreen @ 1080piss
2015-05-26T17:19:47 < _Sync_> the old 24" could not
2015-05-26T17:19:53 < dongs> which?
2015-05-26T17:20:07 < _Sync_> idk the number
2015-05-26T17:20:11 < dongs> 4k?
2015-05-26T17:20:12 < _Sync_> the first 24" 4k dell
2015-05-26T17:20:19 < dongs> it can, if you ran it in 30hz mode
2015-05-26T17:20:46 < _Sync_> oh yeah
2015-05-26T17:20:47 < dongs> 2414
2015-05-26T17:20:51 < _Sync_> still useless
2015-05-26T17:21:04 < gxti> 30fps = cinematic
2015-05-26T17:21:29 < dongs> it'll be 60Hz if youre playing 1080p or wahtever upscaled
2015-05-26T17:21:38 < PeterM> 30fps = cringematice
2015-05-26T17:21:43 < dongs> just 30hz at 4k
2015-05-26T17:21:51 < dongs> yeah 30hz is absolutely unusable for desktop
2015-05-26T17:23:00 < dongs> We are launching a new website shortly, in which your ZANO smart device "App" will automatically create an account for you on. Ie. When you first get your ZANO and you download the ZANO "App", before you use your ZANO, you will be asked to create an account, which will also create your new account on FlyZANO.com. This will be a new account database (different from your current FlyZANO.com account). We will migrate or sync the current FlyZANO.com accounts and the new 
2015-05-26T17:23:42 < dongs> Does this make sense?
2015-05-26T17:23:44 < dongs> Reece.
2015-05-26T17:23:59 < dongs> No, "reece" (nobody else except reedman says "does this make sense"), it doesn't fucking make snse
2015-05-26T17:24:04 < dongs> you only r epeated the word Zano like 20 times
2015-05-26T17:24:06 < dongs> and it still doesnt make sense
2015-05-26T17:24:17 < PeterM> ZANGOZANGOZANGOZANGOZANGOZANGO
2015-05-26T17:24:38 < dongs> The site of ZANO but is not answering emails.
2015-05-26T17:24:39 < dongs> We support, we want news, innovations, deadlines.
2015-05-26T17:25:08 < dongs> I hope you're all well and starting to get excited as we near our shipping date. There.s a real buzz here at ZANO HQ as we approach shipping, we can.t wait to get your ZANOs out to you guys.
2015-05-26T17:31:46 < dongs> you bet im excited
2015-05-26T17:32:06 < dongs> maybe they will ship boxes of faeces
2015-05-26T17:32:23 < dongs> and then claim zanos were stolen at post office by MI5
2015-05-26T17:36:51 < dongs> General Availability
2015-05-26T17:36:52 < dongs> 1st June 00:01 UTC
2015-05-26T17:36:52 < dongs> We accept preorders for launch right now !
2015-05-26T17:36:52 < dongs> .SUCKS domain names
2015-05-26T17:36:52 < dongs> Pricing
2015-05-26T17:36:54 < dongs> EUR 212.00 . / year (public)
2015-05-26T17:36:56 < dongs> EUR 190.90 . / year
2015-05-26T17:36:59 < dongs> (level 5)
2015-05-26T17:37:01 < dongs> holy shittttttttttt
2015-05-26T17:37:04 < dongs> 212EUR for .sucks
2015-05-26T17:37:06 < dongs> per year
2015-05-26T17:37:10 < scummos> worth it
2015-05-26T17:37:12 < dongs> you *really* gotta hate someone to get on that scamwagon
2015-05-26T17:37:34 < scummos> go register zano.sucks
2015-05-26T17:38:26 < dongs> i already have noflyzano.com
2015-05-26T17:38:29 < dongs> i'm happy wiht that
2015-05-26T17:38:51 < scummos> hahaha
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2015-05-26T18:57:16 < PeterM> dongs i'd but a .sucks tld for that much
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2015-05-26T20:07:52 < BrainDamage> noflyzano timestamp should be updated
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2015-05-26T20:21:21 < Tectu> http://global.blackberry.com/en/smartphones/blackberry-passport.html?lid=global-en:bb:devices:blackberrypassport&lpos=global-en:bb:devices
2015-05-26T20:21:32 < dongs> it haz a nice screen
2015-05-26T20:21:35 < dongs> 1440x1440 or so
2015-05-26T20:21:40 < Tectu> indeed
2015-05-26T20:21:46 < Tectu> 1:1 aspect ratio
2015-05-26T20:21:49 < Tectu> and it's wide as fuck :/
2015-05-26T20:21:59 < dongs> well it cant be 1:1 and wide
2015-05-26T20:22:04 < dongs> its iether that or not.
2015-05-26T20:22:15 < Tectu> device ratio compared to "others"
2015-05-26T20:22:30 < PeterM> i am genuinely interested in how that keyboard feels
2015-05-26T20:22:39 < dongs> the feels
2015-05-26T20:22:41 < Tectu> PeterM, me to, that's why I want to get one (I could get one)
2015-05-26T20:22:41 < dongs> youi'll never find out
2015-05-26T20:22:47 < dongs> cuz there's like 10 blackberry users
2015-05-26T20:22:49 < dongs> worldwide
2015-05-26T20:22:50 < Tectu> I'm a blackberry user and I fucking love everything I had from them so far
2015-05-26T20:22:50 < PeterM> mang, you know spongey buttons are shit
2015-05-26T20:23:10 < Tectu> PeterM, not sure...   classic vs. passport
2015-05-26T20:23:20 < Tectu> http://us.blackberry.com/smartphones/blackberry-classic/overview.html
2015-05-26T20:24:00 < dongs> i duno man
2015-05-26T20:24:05 < dongs> physical keyboards in that size = giant lose
2015-05-26T20:24:15 < dongs> you gotta type that shit wiht both hands somehow or wahtever
2015-05-26T20:24:22 < PeterM> i just want a decent qwerty slider
2015-05-26T20:24:28 < dongs> yeah
2015-05-26T20:24:29 < Tectu> dongs, not with the classic, but the passport is two handed
2015-05-26T20:24:53 < dongs> Tectu: i can outslide you on google keyboard single-handed any fucking day
2015-05-26T20:24:58 < PeterM> i did fine those blackberrys odd because they were two small for two hands but too big for one
2015-05-26T20:24:59 < Tectu> PeterM, http://crackberry.com/blackberry-slider-envisioned-thanks-some-new-renders
2015-05-26T20:27:32 < dongs> pretty sure he was talki nabout sliding keyboard
2015-05-26T20:27:38 < dongs> as in on touchscreen
2015-05-26T20:27:42 < PeterM> nah
2015-05-26T20:27:42 < dongs> anyway, fuck blackberry.
2015-05-26T20:27:44 < dongs> o?
2015-05-26T20:27:48 < PeterM> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4504/D3-2980_575px.jpg
2015-05-26T20:27:56 < dongs> eh
2015-05-26T20:27:57 < PeterM> i used one of these for so long
2015-05-26T20:28:00 < dongs> isnt that
2015-05-26T20:28:02 < dongs> N90 or someshit
2015-05-26T20:28:03 < dongs> some LUNIX AIDS
2015-05-26T20:28:04 < Tectu> PeterM, had a nokia n900 for a long time. best thing in the world
2015-05-26T20:28:07 < PeterM> motorola droid 3
2015-05-26T20:28:16 < PeterM> n900s keyboard was shit
2015-05-26T20:28:22 < PeterM> cramped as fuck
2015-05-26T20:28:27 < Tectu> PeterM, I have never had a physical keyboard beside the n900
2015-05-26T20:29:01 < PeterM> the onyl good think the n900s keyboard had was a ctrl key for easy of copypasta
2015-05-26T20:31:09 < PeterM> n900 was a cunt for installing soft on it too, shitty lunix repos for soft dumbest idea for phone
2015-05-26T20:32:37 < Tectu> PeterM, I was like 12 or 13 back then. I didn't know anything else so I can't bitch about it
2015-05-26T20:33:04 < jpa-> hi tectu
2015-05-26T20:33:08 < Tectu> hi jpa-
2015-05-26T20:33:22 < PeterM> tectu i do like the propper real time m,ultitasking it had though, im sure you liked that
2015-05-26T20:33:39 < Tectu> PeterM, I only know that nobody else could do that ;-)
2015-05-26T20:33:49 < Tectu> PeterM, I don't judge from my "was 13 years old boy" experiences
2015-05-26T20:34:00 < Tectu> as you are rather subjective in that time anyway
2015-05-26T20:34:14 < PeterM> wait... if you were 13 when you have an n900...
2015-05-26T20:34:30 < BrainDamage> no, it was his boyfriend
2015-05-26T20:34:31 < PeterM> you're like... 20?
2015-05-26T20:34:40 < jpa-> "you must be only 20-something now!! what, you can be on internet without being middle-age??"
2015-05-26T20:34:47 < Tectu> PeterM, I'm 21, yes
2015-05-26T20:35:07 < PeterM> bloody hell
2015-05-26T20:35:09 < jpa-> BrainDamage: his boyfriend gave him a bit different kind of "13 years old boy" experiences
2015-05-26T20:35:44 < Tectu> PeterM, where's the issue? what did you expect?
2015-05-26T20:37:07 < PeterM> dunno... i didn't think the n900 was *that* long ago
2015-05-26T20:37:29 < jpa-> it's due to the way how they accelerated time since about 2007
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2015-05-26T20:38:20 < PeterM> heh... i guess its the same as the year 2000? that was what? 5 years ago?
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2015-05-27T00:07:45 < Lux> n900 was 2009...
2015-05-27T00:08:20 < Lux> not 07
2015-05-27T00:09:40 < Lux> too bad nokia failed so hard on that stuff
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2015-05-27T00:16:58 < kakimir> at the point of n900 there was not much to do
2015-05-27T00:19:01 < kakimir> n900 touch screen sucked
2015-05-27T00:19:35 < Lux> still much better than capacitive with the pen
2015-05-27T00:20:25 < Lux> at least for precise input
2015-05-27T00:20:53 < Lux> but yeah all that swiping didn't work properly
2015-05-27T00:20:54 < kakimir> you need to poke it
2015-05-27T00:21:02 < kakimir> violently
2015-05-27T00:21:07 < Lux> nah
2015-05-27T00:22:43 < kakimir> ok my samsung phone orginal software has used my google account to send me spam
2015-05-27T00:23:06 < kakimir> polaris office thinks I need their windows client
2015-05-27T00:27:25 < Fleck> I wonder, is there something like http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00023896.pdf <<<< for stm32f1xx ? I can't find, anyone?
2015-05-27T00:33:22 < Fleck> as principle is the same, I sure can use f2xx .pdf :D but would be great though! :D
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2015-05-27T02:24:22 < Getty> wow that was now a cool bug.... seeking for ? in the http request path, but not planning in that there could  be none, but one in the referrer 8-)
2015-05-27T02:25:31 < karlp> thou shalt not parse http with regexps....
2015-05-27T02:25:34 < karlp> or somethign like that
2015-05-27T02:27:45 < Getty> karlp: aehm, i am parsing on lowest level, like strstr and stuff
2015-05-27T02:28:02 < Getty> karlp: if you have something supersmall that does that all for me, please give, but all i found was bigger or more combined ;)
2015-05-27T02:29:10 < zyp> I once wrote a http parser with boost::spirit
2015-05-27T02:29:19 < zyp> I doubt it's suitable for embedded though :)
2015-05-27T02:29:26 < Getty> yeah ;)
2015-05-27T02:30:32 < gxti> at least not the entire header at once...
2015-05-27T02:32:00 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/audist/tree/http_connection_parser.cpp <- code is rather simple :p
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2015-05-27T04:41:53 < dongs> sup
2015-05-27T04:41:54 < dongs> donging hard
2015-05-27T04:56:24 < upgrdman> perhaps the most intestering page i have found on stackexchange:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1469899/worst-security-hole-youve-seen
2015-05-27T04:56:31 < upgrdman> err stackoverflow, but still :)
2015-05-27T04:58:20 < dongs> are most posts there involving lunix
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2015-05-27T04:59:46 < upgrdman> no
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2015-05-27T05:02:00 < dongs> typical php code
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2015-05-27T06:52:15 < upgrdman> LOL  http://imgur.com/uiu35vI
2015-05-27T06:53:34 < emeb_mac> the hoodies are crucial
2015-05-27T06:54:10 < upgrdman> also, i wonder if this was dongs:  https://i.imgur.com/ClqbFnz.jpg
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2015-05-27T07:14:11 < PeterM> the fuck is that hole there for
2015-05-27T07:14:25 < PeterM> lolled tho
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2015-05-27T07:25:18 < dongs> LOL @ HOLE
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2015-05-27T07:46:17 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with implementing DFTs / FFTs? (not just using a library)
2015-05-27T07:46:45 < upgrdman> R2COM, nice vide btw. lol'd
2015-05-27T07:47:11 < emeb_mac> I've written FFTs in the past
2015-05-27T07:48:23 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, before trying FFTs i thought i would keep it simple and do a DFT. im not worried about performance yet.
2015-05-27T07:48:37 < upgrdman> i got these formulas:
2015-05-27T07:48:55 < upgrdman> figure 6 of http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3374611/Fun-with-Java-How-and-Why-Spectral-Analysis-Works.htm
2015-05-27T07:49:29 < PeterM> >fun
2015-05-27T07:49:29 < upgrdman> if x(n) is the voltage at sample n
2015-05-27T07:49:54 < upgrdman> what units are "real" and "imag" ? volts? and "power" would be in watts?
2015-05-27T07:50:27 < akaWolf> real(x(n)) = x(n)
2015-05-27T07:50:37 < akaWolf> image(x(n)) = 0
2015-05-27T07:50:43 < akaWolf> obviviously
2015-05-27T07:51:28 < akaWolf> what is power?
2015-05-27T07:51:40 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: yes - real & imag are volts normally
2015-05-27T07:51:46 < akaWolf> it's an ouptput result?
2015-05-27T07:51:53 < emeb_mac> real^2 + imag^ = power
2015-05-27T07:51:55 < upgrdman> ok
2015-05-27T07:52:01 < upgrdman> ya
2015-05-27T07:52:16 < upgrdman> my DFT looks right (or at least pretty and right-ish)
2015-05-27T07:52:17 < upgrdman> but
2015-05-27T07:52:46 < upgrdman> if i feed in a fake sine wave, at 30hz, oscillating between +1V and -1V
2015-05-27T07:52:56 < upgrdman> i get a power at 30Hz of 0.25 W
2015-05-27T07:53:08 < upgrdman> iirc, the power should be 0.50 W, no?
2015-05-27T07:53:17 < akaWolf> nope
2015-05-27T07:54:10 < upgrdman> ?
2015-05-27T07:54:12 < akaWolf> I dont remember definition of the power. depends at.
2015-05-27T07:54:33 < emeb_mac> DFT has a certain gain - depends on the number of bins
2015-05-27T07:54:53 < upgrdman> ya. that leads me to my next question
2015-05-27T07:55:16 < upgrdman> how do i achieve bins? is it just the window length?
2015-05-27T07:55:32 < emeb_mac> it's the number of samples you input to your transform
2015-05-27T07:55:37 < upgrdman> right now im using a window of 1000 sample, which each sample being 1ms apart, so that's 1 second
2015-05-27T07:55:53 < emeb_mac> so you have 1000 bins
2015-05-27T07:56:04 < upgrdman> orly? lol. shit.
2015-05-27T07:56:05 < ReadError> <R2COM> upgrdman: more russian video for you http://i.imgur.com/vB1ORVG.gifv
2015-05-27T07:56:07 < ReadError> skills
2015-05-27T07:56:11 < emeb_mac> but they're spread out evenly from -Fs/2 to +Fs/2
2015-05-27T07:56:14 < ReadError> he kept his cig in his mouth the entire time
2015-05-27T07:56:40 < upgrdman> delta w = bin width?
2015-05-27T07:59:11 < upgrdman> so to clarify, if i want say 10Hz wide bins, 2pi/n = 10?
2015-05-27T07:59:19 < upgrdman> that cant be right
2015-05-27T07:59:23 < emeb_mac> depends on your sample rate
2015-05-27T07:59:36 < upgrdman> 1kHz for now
2015-05-27T07:59:43 < emeb_mac> if Fs = 1000Hz and you want 10Hz bins you need 100 samples
2015-05-27T08:00:22 < upgrdman> and for 100Hz bins, with Fs = 1000Hz, i need 10 samples?
2015-05-27T08:00:27 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-05-27T08:00:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, pro trolling at work
2015-05-27T08:02:18 < upgrdman> ya
2015-05-27T08:02:25 < upgrdman> thats what i thought. should be 0.50
2015-05-27T08:02:28 < upgrdman> but i get 0.25.
2015-05-27T08:02:37 < upgrdman> will have to poke my code some more
2015-05-27T08:03:15 < upgrdman> i know
2015-05-27T08:03:40 < upgrdman> i've been struggling with the concept of DFTs and that web site was the first with a simple-ish equation
2015-05-27T08:03:49 < upgrdman> and it worked (ish)
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2015-05-27T08:04:04 < upgrdman> e.g. if i touch the ADC pin, i see the 60Hz coupling into it in my DFT
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2015-05-27T08:08:04 < upgrdman> regardin the bins being from "-Fs/2 to +Fs/2"    if Fs = 1kHz, and i transform a sequence of 100 points, i get 10Hz bins, but they're spready from -500Hz to 500Hz. so i can plug in a frequency of 10Hz, 20Hz, 30Hz, etc, and get accurate values? but if i plug in 25Hz, i get incorrect values, right?
2015-05-27T08:08:44 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: yes - if the input signal doesn't fall exactly into one bin then you'll get "spectral leakage"
2015-05-27T08:09:12 < emeb_mac> ie - if it's halfway between two bins then it will show up in several bins
2015-05-27T08:09:35 < upgrdman> if i feed in a 25Hz sine, there's 0.5W of power, should i see 0.25W in the 20Hz bin and 0.25W in the 30Hz bin?
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2015-05-27T08:10:04 < emeb_mac> that's because the waveform cycles doesn't fit exactly into the length of the DFT
2015-05-27T08:10:14 < ReadError> dongs https://vimeo.com/74025061
2015-05-27T08:10:34 < emeb_mac> ideally you'd see half & half, but spectral leakage tends to spread it even further.
2015-05-27T08:10:48 < emeb_mac> to get around that people use windowing
2015-05-27T08:11:07 < emeb_mac> which tapers the signal off to zero at the edges of the FFT input size
2015-05-27T08:11:26 < emeb_mac> the shape of the window controls how the leakage is distributed
2015-05-27T08:11:35 < upgrdman> oh, nice.
2015-05-27T08:11:59 < emeb_mac> typical windows are named after the guys who found them
2015-05-27T08:12:16 < emeb_mac> so look for "hamming", "hanning", "harris", "blackman" etc.
2015-05-27T08:12:27 < emeb_mac> I like the 4-term blackman-harris window.
2015-05-27T08:12:37 < upgrdman> oh ya, i think my scope has some of those windows.
2015-05-27T08:14:04 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, R2COM: thanks a bunch!
2015-05-27T08:14:05 < emeb_mac> good article on windows here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_function
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2015-05-27T08:29:01 < Abhishek_> anyone faced the issue of LED boost driver inducing significant ripple in the input power rail?
2015-05-27T08:30:12 < jpa-> well i have need smps stuff introducing significant ripple
2015-05-27T08:30:22 < jpa-> usually either inadequate caps or PFM mode SMPS controller
2015-05-27T08:30:29 < jpa-> *seen
2015-05-27T08:30:55 < Abhishek_> I'm using 10uF ceramic caps on the input rail of the LED driver
2015-05-27T08:31:11 < Abhishek_> *cap
2015-05-27T08:31:13 < jpa-> what is the drive frequency and what is the input current?
2015-05-27T08:31:21 < Abhishek_> 1 MHz, some 300mA
2015-05-27T08:31:54 < Abhishek_> (1.3 MHz or so)
2015-05-27T08:32:21 < jpa-> 1 µs * 300 mA / 10 µF = 30mV   how much ripple are you seeing?
2015-05-27T08:32:26 < PeterM> if the led driver is a boost converter you can use almost no input capacitance because the inductor filters the input current
2015-05-27T08:32:39 < Abhishek_> it is a boost converter, yes
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2015-05-27T08:33:08 < Abhishek_> I don't know, it is very strange
2015-05-27T08:33:48 < jpa-> PeterM: how's that different from what happens in buck?
2015-05-27T08:34:10 < jpa-> highest ripple usually occurs at the point where the inductor current is at maximum and switch turns off
2015-05-27T08:34:23 < PeterM> jpa- in a buck converter the inductor filters the output current
2015-05-27T08:35:00 < jpa-> hmm
2015-05-27T08:35:03 < PeterM> in a boost converter the input current is continuous (ideally)
2015-05-27T08:35:08 < jpa-> true
2015-05-27T08:35:55 < jpa-> Abhishek_: is the ripple at the 1MHz frequency? (i.e. is it operating as PFM or as PWM?)
2015-05-27T08:36:29 < Abhishek_> I'm designing a LCD expansion board for the BBB (it could really be any other platform)
2015-05-27T08:36:45 < Abhishek_> The display works good with the backlight turned on...
2015-05-27T08:36:49 < Abhishek_> *off
2015-05-27T08:36:52 < jpa-> PeterM: hmm, but with PFM it becomes discontinuous, right? that would explain one case of ripple trouble i once had
2015-05-27T08:37:12 < Abhishek_> but as soon as I switch on the backlight, the screen is messed up
2015-05-27T08:37:22 < Abhishek_> I saw considerable high frequency ripple
2015-05-27T08:37:29 < Abhishek_>  > 1 MHz
2015-05-27T08:37:39 < Abhishek_> > 1 Vpp
2015-05-27T08:37:43 < Abhishek_> that's nasty
2015-05-27T08:37:56 < jpa-> umm yeah, that's not normal, not with a 10µF cap
2015-05-27T08:38:27 < jpa-> it would take 10 A current spikes to get that much ripple over a 10µF cap
2015-05-27T08:38:28 < PeterM> jpa-, it *can* become discontinuous but it is still filtered, there are no sharp switchign edges on the input current
2015-05-27T08:39:30 < jpa-> PeterM: yeah, though inductor that normally charges at 1µs will give nice sharp edges when the controller PFM's at 300Hz :P
2015-05-27T08:40:41 < Abhishek_> http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/kde_tablet/1388365231-20314.pdf
2015-05-27T08:40:46 < PeterM> it still has the inductors current ramp though
2015-05-27T08:40:48 < Abhishek_> ^ boost converter being used
2015-05-27T08:41:51 < jpa-> Abhishek_: are you sure the 10µF cap is ok and working?
2015-05-27T08:42:28 < jpa-> Abhishek_: also where is the supply rail coming from, maybe the upstream regulator is oscillating?
2015-05-27T08:43:00 < Abhishek_> I changed the upstream regulator but no effect
2015-05-27T08:43:10 < jpa-> you could try driving the backlight from external voltage source to test if it ripples with that also
2015-05-27T08:43:26 < PeterM> is your feedback node passing through your inductors flux?
2015-05-27T08:43:29 < jpa-> Abhishek_: is the upstream regulator stable with ceramic caps?
2015-05-27T08:43:40 < Abhishek_> On the BBB, the upstream regulator is a TL5209 (500mA), I added a 1117 but no effect
2015-05-27T08:44:31 < jpa-> so, no, the TL5209 is not stable with ceramic caps
2015-05-27T08:44:55 < jpa-> neither is 1117
2015-05-27T08:45:09 < jpa-> you can add a 1 ohm resistor from the supply before your 10µF cap to work around that
2015-05-27T08:46:07 < PeterM> also, are you dimming the backlight via the pwm/enable input on the led driver or are you just tieing it high?
2015-05-27T08:46:47 < Abhishek_> I have pulled up the EN pin currently through a 10K
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2015-05-27T08:50:01 < Abhishek_> on adding a 10uF tantalum, the short circuit protection on the BBB seemed to kick in
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2015-05-27T08:57:31 < jpa-> Abhishek_: adding? or replacing in place of cercap?
2015-05-27T08:58:17 < Abhishek_> adding
2015-05-27T08:58:30 < jpa-> that will not help, as the stability problem is due to too low ESR
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2015-05-27T09:13:06 < Abhishek_> hmm, I see
2015-05-27T09:13:38 < Abhishek_> btw, now I'm viewing reference designs and they seem to power the LED driver not from the 3.3V but from the 5V rail
2015-05-27T09:14:07 < Abhishek_> on the BBB
2015-05-27T09:14:11 < jpa-> yeah, usually you'd try to power boost stuff from the rail closest to the original power supply
2015-05-27T09:14:49 < dongs> The U turn on delivery discount going from being a free tenner to £10 of when you spend £50 is disappointing.
2015-05-27T09:14:52 < dongs> It's gone from being a loyalty reward for getting Zano of the ground which left your backers with a warm fuzzy feeling to something that smell of marketing and a way to drive accessory sales rather than a genuine thank you.
2015-05-27T09:14:58 < jpa-> series resistor is not a bad way to isolate the boost from other stuff, to reduce interference
2015-05-27T09:15:03 < dongs> After spending over £250 on Zano already I doubt I will be going to be another £50 on it before I get it off the ground.
2015-05-27T09:15:43 < jpa-> they can throw it perhaps
2015-05-27T09:16:28 < dongs> the zano???
2015-05-27T09:16:33 < jpa-> ye
2015-05-27T09:16:40 < dongs> in the air?
2015-05-27T09:16:44 < jpa-> ye
2015-05-27T09:16:50 < jpa-> it'll fly, perhaps it'll even land in one piece
2015-05-27T09:16:51 < dongs> might be the only way it'll actually fly
2015-05-27T09:17:10 < ReadError> they will be airborne during transit atleast
2015-05-27T09:19:07 < Abhishek_> jpa-: seems there's gonna be a lot of trace cutting, any hints on minimizing that?
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2015-05-27T09:19:44 < dongs> why are you trying to fix a cheap crapboard
2015-05-27T09:19:46 < dongs> just buy a new one?
2015-05-27T09:20:22 < jpa-> Abhishek_: i dunno your layout :)
2015-05-27T09:20:29 < Abhishek_> will do but it'd take time
2015-05-27T09:20:38 < Abhishek_> ~10 days or so
2015-05-27T09:20:41 < jpa-> Abhishek_: shouldn't just cutting off the 3.3V feed to the smps and replacing with wire?
2015-05-27T09:20:56 < dongs> < Abhishek_> anyone faced the issue of LED boost driver inducing significant ripple in the input power rail?
2015-05-27T09:21:09 < dongs> Abhishek_: i have same shit on stepdown running at 2.25mhz
2015-05-27T09:21:16 < dongs> needs moar caps
2015-05-27T09:21:21 < dongs> according to pros here
2015-05-27T09:21:41 < Abhishek_> running the boost on the same 3.3V rail as the display and stuff
2015-05-27T09:21:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yOrLRZl.png
2015-05-27T09:21:58 < dongs> 5V input to 1.2V stepdown
2015-05-27T09:22:40 < Abhishek_> what's the Vpp of this ripple?
2015-05-27T09:22:50 < jpa-> looks like 500mV
2015-05-27T09:22:57 < Abhishek_> yu[
2015-05-27T09:23:05 < Abhishek_> *yup
2015-05-27T09:24:05 < dongs> anyway
2015-05-27T09:24:10 < dongs> i ahve 10uF 0603 cap on there
2015-05-27T09:24:12 < dongs> on input
2015-05-27T09:24:13 < dongs> heh
2015-05-27T09:24:20 < Abhishek_> is it a Y5V?
2015-05-27T09:24:29 < dongs> X5R
2015-05-27T09:24:31 < dongs> but 6.3V
2015-05-27T09:24:38 < dongs> soo.
2015-05-27T09:24:44 < dongs> im putting some bigger ones on next board.
2015-05-27T09:25:05 < ReadError> is there any good documents on dielectric selection?
2015-05-27T09:25:16 < ReadError> before all i found was stuff related to temperature
2015-05-27T09:25:19 < dongs> cloners dont need to select
2015-05-27T09:26:21 < ReadError> jeeze dongs im trying to grow and expand
2015-05-27T09:26:30 < ReadError> by doin some learnins
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2015-05-27T09:27:07 < jpa-> if you're feeling crappy, pick Y5V; if you want it to work, pick X5R; if you are fancy, pick X7R
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2015-05-27T09:27:53 < ReadError> lol
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2015-05-27T09:42:04 < Abhishek_> hmm, looks like the output cap on the boost converter may be getting derated as well
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2015-05-27T10:08:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zkSTCWp.gifv
2015-05-27T10:09:24 < ReadError> omg omg
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2015-05-27T10:17:50 < emeb_mac> all cats love boxes
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2015-05-27T10:18:58 < ReadError> everyone loves box
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2015-05-27T13:48:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8mgCxkU.jpg
2015-05-27T13:50:37 < jadew> awesome, now I can charge my phones and tablets at the same time
2015-05-27T13:51:24 < jadew> sup?
2015-05-27T13:51:29 < dongs> not much
2015-05-27T13:51:33 < dongs> preparing dickstarter material
2015-05-27T13:51:50 < jadew> neat
2015-05-27T13:52:15 < jadew> did you finish it?
2015-05-27T13:52:50 < dongs> well, you see it on the desk right
2015-05-27T13:52:53 < dongs> looks finished to me
2015-05-27T13:53:02 < jadew> oh, the charger?
2015-05-27T13:53:07 < dongs> y
2015-05-27T13:53:09 < jadew> I thought you were working on that HDMI stuff
2015-05-27T13:53:40 < jadew> what
2015-05-27T13:53:44 < jadew> what's your target market?
2015-05-27T13:53:49 < dongs> thats also being worked on
2015-05-27T13:54:22 < dongs> jadew: this http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/10/2586DEC200000578-0-image-a-16_1423549184861.jpg
2015-05-27T13:54:34 < jadew> ah, neat
2015-05-27T13:54:36 < jadew> then it makes sense
2015-05-27T13:54:52 < ReadError> chinese app reviewers?
2015-05-27T13:54:52 < jadew> wth is that chik doing tho?
2015-05-27T13:55:00 < jadew> chick
2015-05-27T13:55:04 < dongs> jadew: upvoting shitty apps in the store
2015-05-27T13:55:08 < jadew> hah
2015-05-27T13:55:09 < dongs> so more poeple download them
2015-05-27T13:55:17 < jadew> awesome
2015-05-27T13:56:14 < jadew> how much current can you pass through that thing?
2015-05-27T13:56:22 < jadew> how do you power it?
2015-05-27T13:56:44 < ReadError> he can figure that out 3months after the dickstarter is over
2015-05-27T13:56:49 < ReadError> thats the wonderful part
2015-05-27T13:57:00 < ReadError> even allocate 10k towards that goal
2015-05-27T13:57:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Wu4Fl1e.jpg
2015-05-27T13:57:21 < dongs> left/right side have holes where got a copper rod all across
2015-05-27T13:57:27 < ReadError> dongs you need to recruit jef79m
2015-05-27T13:57:28 < dongs> for + and i
2015-05-27T13:57:33 < scummos> dafuq is that
2015-05-27T13:57:34 < ReadError> hes pro at graphs
2015-05-27T13:57:58 < dongs> scummos: many usb ports for charging
2015-05-27T13:58:06 < scummos> *nod*
2015-05-27T13:58:08 < jadew> dongs, I see, so the user has to provide the power - smart
2015-05-27T13:58:09 < ReadError> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/0/7/6/4/8/a5738557-102-Capture.JPG
2015-05-27T13:58:40 < jadew> I guess that whoever needs strips like that will have a power supply
2015-05-27T13:58:47 < jadew> you might provide adapters for ATX PSUs
2015-05-27T13:58:51 < dongs> I got a 300A/5V supply for it
2015-05-27T13:58:58 < jadew> they should be able to provide a lot of juice
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2015-05-27T14:09:28 < PeterM> ReadError, nice units labled on the axies, i like how the SMURF nozzel adds more cats poer donut over a number of weddings
2015-05-27T14:09:57 < ReadError> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1881626
2015-05-27T14:10:03 < ReadError> its part of the troll PeterM
2015-05-27T14:10:07 < ReadError> guess it helps if i add the context
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2015-05-27T14:11:48 < PeterM> the lables could well be labled with my mention units then
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2015-05-27T14:29:55 < zyp> dongs, so, when are you going to want your money?
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2015-05-27T14:38:11 < Abhishek_> dongs: What's that SOT23-6 chip in the PCB?
2015-05-27T14:38:30 < PeterM> tsp2513a
2015-05-27T14:38:40 < PeterM> tps*
2015-05-27T14:38:41 < dongs> Abhishek_: TPS2513a
2015-05-27T14:38:42 < dongs> ea that
2015-05-27T14:38:44 < Abhishek_> *on
2015-05-27T14:39:51 < Laurenceb__> zano
2015-05-27T14:39:53 < jadew> how much for a strip?
2015-05-27T14:40:09 < Laurenceb__> do i look like a pron star?
2015-05-27T14:40:50 < Abhishek_> lol
2015-05-27T14:40:57 < jadew> HOHOHOHO
2015-05-27T14:41:04 < jadew> :P
2015-05-27T14:41:10 < jadew> sorry, I'm a bit amped
2015-05-27T14:41:22 < jadew> I did a faceplant earlier and I'm still a bit agitated
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2015-05-27T15:30:54 < dongs> However, we quickly learned (due to incompatibility of our eCommerce platform) the only way for this to work was to have one of our team manually enter 12,000+ Kickstarter pledge rewards as orders, potentially causing delays and opening up a margin for error.
2015-05-27T15:31:13 < dongs> dickstarter provides list of retards in .csv
2015-05-27T15:31:30 < dongs> a script to inject this shit into pretty much anything shouldn't take more than a couple hours to write evne if you're a moron
2015-05-27T15:33:33 < dongs> http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-brj95j3p/products/82/images/299/Screen_Shot_2015_05_07_at_13.47.18__85238.1431002867.1280.1280.png?c=2
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2015-05-27T15:33:59 < dongs> high performance PCM(?) protected genuine zano lipo battery
2015-05-27T15:34:30 < dongs> http://www.batteryjunction.com/pcb.html
2015-05-27T15:34:34 < dongs> Protection Circuit Modules (PCB / PCM) For Lithium Ion Batteries
2015-05-27T15:36:33 < englishman> thats a gigantic battery for that little brushed shit no?
2015-05-27T15:36:49 < englishman> oh guess not just looks fat
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2015-05-27T15:48:20 < dongs> must be the amazing PCM
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2015-05-27T16:26:56 < dongs> At Torquing, we offer you unprecedented technology at a very affordable price. We probably could have priced Zano at $500, have only 2000 backers, and make an awful lot more profit as a company, with less logistic. However that is not how we conceived Zano:
2015-05-27T16:27:00 < dongs> - We want the everybody to be able to afford and enjoy Zano
2015-05-27T16:27:03 < dongs> - As a company, we need to be solvable so we can continue to develop the Zano platform with awesome software updates and new modules and accessories to further enhance your experience of Zano.
2015-05-27T16:27:58 < englishman> 500*2000 > 3000000
2015-05-27T16:28:35 < dongs> sinec when?
2015-05-27T16:28:50 < englishman> since zano said so
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2015-05-27T16:32:11 < karlp> heh, "13:28 <@nimh> we just implemented floating point angstrom support
2015-05-27T16:34:26 < jpa-> englishman: more profit easily
2015-05-27T16:34:49 < jpa-> well, assuming they actually even try to do something
2015-05-27T16:34:57 < englishman> implying they actually deliver
2015-05-27T16:34:57 < englishman> yes
2015-05-27T16:34:58 < englishman> :)
2015-05-27T16:35:33 < jpa-> well ofcourse they won't deliver on promises, but they might still spend the money on crap if they are just clueless instead of plain scammers
2015-05-27T16:36:39 < scummos> how did this particular company get into this channel's focus so much? :D
2015-05-27T16:36:56 < englishman> what do you mean
2015-05-27T16:36:59 < englishman> this is a trolling channel
2015-05-27T16:37:00 < BrainDamage> dongs in #1 backer
2015-05-27T16:37:03 < englishman> zano is epic troll
2015-05-27T16:37:05 < BrainDamage> is*
2015-05-27T16:37:29 < BrainDamage> also, bashing stupid kickstarters is the channel hobby
2015-05-27T16:37:46 < scummos> I noticed, but this one seems to be particularily interesting :D
2015-05-27T16:37:56 < specing> dongs could make his own zano if he spent the time whining about zano actually building one
2015-05-27T16:38:07 < dongs> no shit bro
2015-05-27T16:38:20 < dongs> except i'm not dumb enough to waste my time on something impossible
2015-05-27T16:38:29 < dongs> especially when china already has me covered
2015-05-27T16:38:30 < specing> What drone would you recommend if I wanted to send 1 kg 20 meters up and hover it there for 5min?
2015-05-27T16:38:37 < dongs> 1kg?
2015-05-27T16:38:40 < dongs> good fucking luck.
2015-05-27T16:38:41 < specing> yeah
2015-05-27T16:38:43 < englishman> DJI S1000
2015-05-27T16:38:45 < dongs> ^
2015-05-27T16:38:50 < dongs> i think they're up to S3000 now
2015-05-27T16:39:06 < scummos> I'd recommend a helium balloon
2015-05-27T16:39:14 < englishman> or a stick
2015-05-27T16:39:17 < scummos> :D stick
2015-05-27T16:39:39 < specing> I need to spray some trees with some anti something something
2015-05-27T16:39:45 < scummos> ?
2015-05-27T16:39:56 < scummos> I heard spraying with drones is kinda hard
2015-05-27T16:39:57 < specing> they are big trees
2015-05-27T16:40:44 < dongs> specing: http://rmax.yamaha-motor.com.au/
2015-05-27T16:41:10 < dongs> http://rmax.yamaha-motor.com.au/videos/rmax-demonstration-video video
2015-05-27T16:42:23 < englishman> just call a local pilot http://i.imgur.com/3Jl6d6r.png
2015-05-27T16:42:52 < scummos> I like this sticker
2015-05-27T16:42:57 < Laurenceb__> genius
2015-05-27T16:43:06 < dongs> is it only funny if  you watched breaking fad
2015-05-27T16:43:15 < englishman> 0 to do with breaking bad
2015-05-27T16:43:33 < englishman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
2015-05-27T16:43:50 < dongs> ya i know that, i thought the Ba/Th thing was stylized as breaking bad shit
2015-05-27T16:43:53 < dongs> but i checked logo and its idff
2015-05-27T16:43:56 < dongs> diff
2015-05-27T16:44:17 < scummos> .t
2015-05-27T16:44:31 < dongs> related http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/911-truther-says-kardashian-sister-kylie-jenner-could-become-the-buddha-of-chemtrails/
2015-05-27T16:44:43 < Laurenceb__> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Cabin_nose_section_of_747-8I_prototype.jpg
2015-05-27T16:45:16 < dongs> such pink
2015-05-27T16:45:35 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/eSyaPx6.jpg
2015-05-27T16:46:05 < Laurenceb__> im playing my HAARP
2015-05-27T16:47:48 < dongs> specing: status of ordering
2015-05-27T16:48:34 < specing> dongs: "
2015-05-27T16:48:36 < specing> dongs: ?
2015-05-27T16:48:46 < dongs>  < specing> What drone would you recommend if I wanted to send 1 kg 20 meters up and hover it there for 5min?
2015-05-27T16:48:52 < dongs> < dongs> specing: http://rmax.yamaha-motor.com.au/
2015-05-27T16:49:29 < specing> status is learning for tomorrow's math exam
2015-05-27T16:49:31 < jpa-> balloon :)
2015-05-27T16:49:35 < specing> (lol)
2015-05-27T16:50:29 < jpa-> can't you spray from ground with long tube, high pressure and narrow nozzle?
2015-05-27T16:51:06 < specing> jpa-: haven't yet investigated all options
2015-05-27T16:51:37 < specing> plus I really want a drone. And a 3D printer for ABS
2015-05-27T16:51:53 < BrainDamage> a flying 3d printer
2015-05-27T16:52:08 < BrainDamage> it prints dildos and drop on people's heads
2015-05-27T16:52:49 < dongs> specing: its only $100k
2015-05-27T16:52:56 < dongs> paypal nao
2015-05-27T16:52:59 < specing> there is a church nearby, 10/10 would drop dildos on their retarded heads
2015-05-27T16:53:10 < jpa-> specing: i bought CNC3020 ($500) and added 3d printer head to it; now i can print abs and mill plastic/wood/aluminum/brass and pcbs with the same device
2015-05-27T16:53:16  * stukdev throw board out of windows
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2015-05-27T16:53:23 < specing> jpa-: cool
2015-05-27T16:53:44 < dongs> jpa-: you're also 1st hit for 'CNC320'
2015-05-27T16:53:46 < dongs> on google
2015-05-27T16:53:50 < dongs> err cnc3020
2015-05-27T16:53:57 < jpa-> dongs: oh crap
2015-05-27T16:54:15 < specing> jpa-: is it closed sauce?
2015-05-27T16:54:24 < specing> jpa-: or open sauce?
2015-05-27T16:54:26 < dongs> closed... what
2015-05-27T16:54:29 < dongs> isnt it just a frame
2015-05-27T16:54:30 < dongs> with steppers
2015-05-27T16:54:34 < jpa-> specing: the cnc3020? well it's just mechanics and motors
2015-05-27T16:54:43 < dongs> i bet hes using it with wolfmanboard
2015-05-27T16:54:46 < specing> something still has to control the steppers
2015-05-27T16:54:50 < jpa-> the original control electronics are quite simple but not worth using IMO
2015-05-27T16:55:04 < dongs> original was probably parallel port trash?
2015-05-27T16:55:07 < jpa-> i replaced with smoothieboard, you could also replace with machinekit or even some arduino crap
2015-05-27T16:55:10 < jpa-> dongs: yep
2015-05-27T16:55:22 < jpa-> and only 3 axis so no 3d-printing with that
2015-05-27T16:55:34 < englishman> specing: thers a pretty slick i3 metal from wanhao for like $375 and works out of the box
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2015-05-27T16:56:11 < jpa-> yeah, that looked cool also if you only need a printer
2015-05-27T16:56:18 < englishman> http://wanhaousa.com/products/duplicator-i3-steel-frame
2015-05-27T16:57:19 < englishman> do you use it for cnc too jpa-
2015-05-27T16:57:23 < englishman> was thinking about a 6030
2015-05-27T16:57:40 < jpa-> sure
2015-05-27T16:58:31 < englishman> what do you think
2015-05-27T16:58:32 < englishman> first cnc?
2015-05-27T16:58:38 < jpa-> 6040 has a nicer spindle, the one on 3020 is quite crappy
2015-05-27T16:58:48 < englishman> theres a bunch of options iirc
2015-05-27T16:58:52 < englishman> up to watercooled shits
2015-05-27T16:59:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlR9duJQ93M
2015-05-27T16:59:29 < jpa-> yeah, haven't looked into 6040 options much
2015-05-27T16:59:31 < dongs> i need one of these things
2015-05-27T16:59:43 < dongs> looks like new one has a quieter engine
2015-05-27T16:59:45 < jpa-> 3020 has worked fine for me, and yeah, it's babbys first cnc
2015-05-27T17:00:02 < englishman> and how do you like smoothiedicks
2015-05-27T17:00:15 < dongs> smoothiedicks is well
2015-05-27T17:00:16 < englishman> also bought external stepper drivers?
2015-05-27T17:01:03 < jpa-> nah, using the ones on smoothieboard
2015-05-27T17:01:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VdPkn2M.jpg pals smoothiedicks clone
2015-05-27T17:01:12 < englishman> o rly, theyre enough
2015-05-27T17:01:16 < jpa-> well, smoothieboard is fine but i wish i'd gone with machinekit/linuxcnc
2015-05-27T17:01:27 < englishman> thats good to know, whys that?
2015-05-27T17:01:36 < jpa-> enough for cnc3020 atleast; it is at 24V so 2A stepper current is plenty
2015-05-27T17:02:13 < englishman> using a parallelport in 2015 is bewildering to me
2015-05-27T17:02:20 < jpa-> from practical perspective, linuxcnc has stuff like "pause and jog", software endstops etc. bunch of features that are missing from smoothieboard
2015-05-27T17:02:44 < jpa-> other than that, because wolfmanjm; i had to fork the software to get a few showstopper bugs fixed
2015-05-27T17:02:51 < englishman> haha
2015-05-27T17:03:04 < dongs> heh
2015-05-27T17:08:24 < dongs> uh oh
2015-05-27T17:08:28 < dongs> new google signon
2015-05-27T17:08:33 < dongs> asks email first
2015-05-27T17:08:37 < dongs> (or username)
2015-05-27T17:08:43 < dongs> then shows profilepic
2015-05-27T17:08:46 < dongs> while asking for password
2015-05-27T17:08:48 < dongs> so clever
2015-05-27T17:09:25 < scrts_w> so if you don't know the password, you can still find out how person looks like
2015-05-27T17:09:35 < dongs> yeah.
2015-05-27T17:09:45 < scrts_w> really clever
2015-05-27T17:10:04 < scrts_w> they could also provide hints for password when you select the password text box
2015-05-27T17:11:17 < PeterM> dongs is that jellycopter on 27mhz fm or some shit?
2015-05-27T17:11:26 < PeterM> what6s with the massive antenna
2015-05-27T17:11:45 < dongs> one of the articles i didnt read mentioned something about PLL and unique ID
2015-05-27T17:11:48 < dongs> so probably yeah
2015-05-27T17:12:03 < dongs> something ancient as fuck
2015-05-27T17:12:12 < englishman> zyp: you say it does not have ball screws, what does it have instead?
2015-05-27T17:12:16 < englishman> err
2015-05-27T17:12:17 < englishman> jpa-:
2015-05-27T17:12:33 < jpa-> englishman: trapezoid rod and some plastic (delrin?) nuts
2015-05-27T17:13:14 < englishman> on which axes?
2015-05-27T17:13:19 < jpa-> on all
2015-05-27T17:13:24 < englishman> rlu
2015-05-27T17:13:30 < englishman> i cant find any pix without ballscrew
2015-05-27T17:13:41 < jpa-> probably newer model then
2015-05-27T17:13:56 < englishman> something to watch out for tho, thx
2015-05-27T17:14:13 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/cnc/gantry.jpg  this is mine, clearly not a ballscrew screw
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2015-05-27T17:14:55 < jpa-> works pretty well in practice though, no significant backslash and it's not like the machine could take huge cutting forces anyway, ballscrews or not
2015-05-27T17:15:31 < englishman> what are you cutting with it
2015-05-27T17:15:42 < PeterM> that just looks liek standard leadscrew
2015-05-27T17:15:55 < jpa-> PeterM: because it is?
2015-05-27T17:16:13 < PeterM> [00:12] <jpa-> englishman: trapezoid rod and some plastic (delrin?) nuts
2015-05-27T17:16:16 < PeterM> the fuck
2015-05-27T17:16:31 < jpa-> englishman: done wood (birch), acrylic, polycarbonate, aluminum and pcbs so far
2015-05-27T17:16:37 < englishman> cool
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2015-05-27T17:19:04 < jpa-> englishman: here is one aluminum part made with it:  http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/pix/topplate.jpg http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/pix/routing_done.jpg
2015-05-27T17:20:13 < englishman> nice
2015-05-27T17:23:50 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/plexidrone-making-aerial-photography-a-breeze#/comments
2015-05-27T17:24:51 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1413172/files/20150424205224-IMG_20150424_234014.jpg?1429933944
2015-05-27T17:24:55 < dongs> w h a t
2015-05-27T17:25:00 < dongs> dual atmega1280
2015-05-27T17:25:03 < dongs> holy fucking shit
2015-05-27T17:25:39 < jpa-> i wonder what is going to be the third chip
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2015-05-27T17:25:43 < gxti> that microsd socket is a pain in the dick to reflow reliably
2015-05-27T17:25:57 < dongs> izizt?
2015-05-27T17:26:02 < dongs> thats what my pal is using on clone
2015-05-27T17:26:04 < gxti> and you can't rework it because it melts
2015-05-27T17:26:30 < gxti> if your assembler is super pro it's probably ok
2015-05-27T17:26:33 < PeterM> jpa-, dunnop, probably another atmega
2015-05-27T17:26:42 < dongs> i dont think they make atmegas that dumb
2015-05-27T17:26:45 < dongs> huge
2015-05-27T17:27:08 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1413171/files/20150424205153-IFB.jpg?1429933913 their new version
2015-05-27T17:28:28 < dongs> i wonder what is that VLSI chip is
2015-05-27T17:28:34 < dongs> dont those guys only make audio shit
2015-05-27T17:28:46 < dongs> http://www.vlsi.fi/en/products.html
2015-05-27T17:29:07 < dongs> the fuck is it doing on there?
2015-05-27T17:29:27 < PeterM> jpa-, dongs mebbeh AT91SAM3X8E or some shit is big chip
2015-05-27T17:29:41 < dongs> o, right
2015-05-27T17:29:45 < dongs> man
2015-05-27T17:29:47 < dongs> whoever routed that pcb
2015-05-27T17:29:51 < dongs> should be taken out and shot
2015-05-27T17:29:57 < dongs> like what the fuck
2015-05-27T17:30:48 < dongs> and shudder, this is "revision 4.0"
2015-05-27T17:30:53 < PeterM> dongs vlsi chip maybe want to play musics through motors?
2015-05-27T17:30:53 < dongs> these guys are almost as awesome as zano
2015-05-27T17:31:04 < zyp> wat
2015-05-27T17:31:05 < dongs> you dont need a vlsi chip for that
2015-05-27T17:32:14 < PeterM> do if you weant 70 cvodecs
2015-05-27T17:32:23 < gxti> ogg vorbis
2015-05-27T17:32:35 < gxti> the codec of the future
2015-05-27T17:33:04 < jpa-> vlsi does a lot of custom chips also
2015-05-27T17:33:17 < jpa-> i wonder if they're reusing an asic from somewhere else
2015-05-27T17:33:20 < PeterM> they wouldnt makje a custom chip for this shit though
2015-05-27T17:33:27 < PeterM> yeah
2015-05-27T17:33:37 < PeterM> they'd have to reuse someone elses asic
2015-05-27T17:33:46 < PeterM> also yeah that board layout is garbage
2015-05-27T17:33:56 < jpa-> looks like it has crystal attached to it, but very little io..
2015-05-27T17:35:24 < PeterM> that board has to be autorouted
2015-05-27T17:35:36 < dongs> nah
2015-05-27T17:35:39 < dongs> its definitaly manual
2015-05-27T17:35:43 < dongs> oh
2015-05-27T17:35:48 < dongs> the vlsi thing is maybe a SD  card controller
2015-05-27T17:35:57 < jpa-> vlsi chip pinout matches VS1003 MP3 decoder
2015-05-27T17:35:58 < PeterM> its definitaly shit is what it is
2015-05-27T17:36:04 < dongs> jpa-: haha
2015-05-27T17:36:21 < dongs> reading dickstarter page
2015-05-27T17:36:24 < dongs> to see why they would have it on there
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2015-05-27T17:38:24 < dongs> oh gawd
2015-05-27T17:38:27 < dongs> they also have swarming
2015-05-27T17:38:29 < dongs> LOL
2015-05-27T17:38:45 < dongs> haha
2015-05-27T17:38:45 < dongs> YUES
2015-05-27T17:38:48 < dongs> it has speakers in front
2015-05-27T17:38:55 < PeterM> [00:35] <dongs> its definitaly manual - but i see so much "wut" how could someone be that bad
2015-05-27T17:38:56 < dongs> that play beeps and "audio messages"
2015-05-27T17:38:59 < jpa-> swarming angry customers outside office?
2015-05-27T17:39:19 < dongs> https://youtu.be/L9OwUOtU380?t=127
2015-05-27T17:39:42 < jpa-> oh well, of course they need external chip; if they'd just used a proper MCU surely you could play audio messages without mp3 decoder chip :P
2015-05-27T17:40:27 < dongs> You are a pro and you are ready to make money. Fly in formation, or keep a fix on a moving obect. Three vantage points all at the same time - 'retake' will be a word of the past!  - 3 PlexiDrones - 1 PlexiHub - 3 Battery - 3 Camera Stabilizer (Gimbal) - 3 Spare Propeller - 1 Battery Charger
2015-05-27T17:40:48 < dongs> only $2500
2015-05-27T17:42:18 < jpa-> did they mean: ready to lose money
2015-05-27T17:42:32 < dongs> We have integrated new optical flow and ultra-sonic sensing technology that allow PlexiDrone to remain stable with almost zero vertical and horizontal drift. This makes PlexiDrone incredibly easy to fly!
2015-05-27T17:42:39 < dongs> This sensor package is a custom solution and required extensive testing. We absorbed the time loss, confident that our backers will be happy to receive a markedly better product with a level of stability not seen on any other drone.
2015-05-27T17:42:53 < dongs> Before we release the final production version of PlexiDrone to the world, work remains to be done in securing the intellectual property surrounding PlexiDrone.
2015-05-27T17:44:19 < jpa-> optical flow stabilization makes sense, but do they have a separate camera or how does that work?
2015-05-27T17:45:02 < zyp> mouse sensor
2015-05-27T17:45:08 < zyp> it's been done before
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2015-05-27T17:46:06 < jpa-> ah that
2015-05-27T17:46:06 < dongs> What flight controller does PlexiDrone use?
2015-05-27T17:46:07 < dongs> PlexiDrone uses DreamQii.s custom electronics and software. We do not use any off-the-shelf options.
2015-05-27T17:47:04 < dongs> hmmm
2015-05-27T17:47:08 < dongs> zano also has a speaker..
2015-05-27T17:47:15 < dongs> mind: blown
2015-05-27T17:47:22 < dongs> this is like a scaled up zano
2015-05-27T17:47:24 < dongs> and JUST AS DUMB
2015-05-27T17:48:16 < dongs>  Most notably, the wireless radio supplier experienced a severe fire in their factory and have had to move their assembly line.  As a result, we have had to focus on selecting a new radio supplier that meets our very demanding specifications for quality and reliability.
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2015-05-27T17:48:32 < dongs> In addition, the popularity of a new android based phone (1+1) has also drained supplies of components originally selected for PlexiDrone.  We have worked tirelessly with our parts distributors to replace these components with top alternatives from vendors. These quality parts ensure a more robust PlexiDrone for the Swarm.
2015-05-27T17:48:49 < dongs> where do these people evne come up with this kinda bullshit
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2015-05-27T17:53:21 < englishman> In addition, the popularity of a new android based phone (1+1) has also drained supplies of components originally selected for PlexiDrone.
2015-05-27T17:53:23 < englishman> lol wat
2015-05-27T17:53:28 < englishman> they sold like <1m
2015-05-27T17:53:38 < englishman> they dont even wanna make or sell that shit
2015-05-27T17:53:44 < dongs> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/OnePlus+One+Teardown/26484
2015-05-27T17:53:47 < dongs> looking through
2015-05-27T17:53:56 < dongs> they must have used a LM1117
2015-05-27T17:54:03 < zyp> haha
2015-05-27T17:54:06 < englishman> you like have to friend them on facebook just to get an opportunity to wait in line to buy taht shitty phone
2015-05-27T17:55:01 < dongs> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/wIp5pQj4movpelpR.huge i dont see LM1117
2015-05-27T17:55:10 < dongs> maybe they drained the crystal supply
2015-05-27T17:55:21 < dongs> 3225 16mhz is hard to source.
2015-05-27T17:55:34 < englishman> O.o
2015-05-27T17:57:03 < dongs> whoa
2015-05-27T17:57:07 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10689610_1498244763777810_5262315720680002996_n.jpg?oh=4e6cedad052de7a9cc44109b60e17bcc&oe=55F57714
2015-05-27T17:57:10 < dongs> they have this pic
2015-05-27T17:57:15 < dongs> in their fecesbook feed
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2015-05-27T17:59:32 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11082531_806582682769818_6113464976620180490_n.jpg?oh=24594867e0b44af79ef093ec9faf61f9&oe=55C81062
2015-05-27T17:59:38 < dongs> Good windings are important for a good motor.
2015-05-27T17:59:45 < dongs> those windings kinda look like shit to me
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2015-05-27T18:00:07 < zyp> haha, yeah
2015-05-27T18:01:20 < jadew> why is everyone so interested in filming themselves from above anyway?
2015-05-27T18:01:25 < zyp> oh, that oneplus one thing is actually using a micro-ab connector
2015-05-27T18:01:42 < zyp> rare to see somebody actually following usb specs
2015-05-27T18:05:51 < dongs> http://www.back-bone.ca/product/ribcage-mod-kit-2/ wtf
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2015-05-27T18:07:05 < jadew> you haven't seen people with 200mm lenses attached to their forheads?
2015-05-27T18:07:22 < dongs> k i gotta stop reading this
2015-05-27T18:07:26 < dongs> its making me dumber by the minute
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2015-05-27T18:11:56 < PeterM> dongs, why the fuck would you do that get a gobro and put a different lense mount on it, a micro four turd will be able to mount all them lenses, give better image quality and be cheaper and be aroudn the same size
2015-05-27T18:13:17 < dongs> but then it wont be gobro!!111
2015-05-27T18:16:32 < PeterM> \isn't  that a good thing?
2015-05-27T18:17:04 < PeterM> also you're japangese you're pretty much born into knowing about cameras rite? you understand
2015-05-27T18:17:05 < jadew> what's a micro four turd
2015-05-27T18:17:13 < dongs> jpa-: ..
2015-05-27T18:17:14 < dongs> err
2015-05-27T18:17:15 < dongs> jadew: ..
2015-05-27T18:17:18 < dongs> micro four thirds.
2015-05-27T18:17:19 < PeterM> micro 4thirds is a sensor size
2015-05-27T18:17:26 < PeterM> and platform
2015-05-27T18:17:30 < jadew> ah
2015-05-27T18:17:32 < PeterM> for lenses etc for that sensor side
2015-05-27T18:17:35 < PeterM> size*
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2015-05-27T18:17:52 < zyp> I'd call it a standardized lens mount
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2015-05-27T18:18:05 < jadew> it's the usual size in SLRs, right?
2015-05-27T18:18:09 < zyp> no
2015-05-27T18:18:37 < zyp> mFT is and adaption of the FT lens mount used by some SLR vendors
2015-05-27T18:18:58 < zyp> the difference is that mFT is designed to be mounted closed to the sensor, since there's no mirror in between
2015-05-27T18:19:02 < PeterM> nost SLR, its MILC
2015-05-27T18:19:18 < zyp> whereas FT were designed for SLR
2015-05-27T18:19:48 < zyp> PeterM, weren't aware they called it MILC
2015-05-27T18:20:03 < jadew> are these nikon mounts?
2015-05-27T18:20:07 < PeterM> MirrorlessInterchangeableLenseCamera
2015-05-27T18:20:13 < zyp> jadew, no, a competitor
2015-05-27T18:20:32 < jadew> got it
2015-05-27T18:20:37 < PeterM> neekone don't make any decent mirrorless camera, their one series is all trash
2015-05-27T18:20:38 < jadew> thanks
2015-05-27T18:20:55 < zyp> jadew, refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirrorless_interchangeable-lens_camera#Systems_comparison
2015-05-27T18:21:29 < zyp> hmm, I'm obviously out of touch
2015-05-27T18:21:57 < zyp> I haven't been keeping up with camera news since mft were the new hot thing, and that's quite a few years ago
2015-05-27T18:22:16 < PeterM> i used to be a regular on /p/
2015-05-27T18:22:31 < PeterM> gettign CANIKON fanboys angry
2015-05-27T18:22:36 < jadew> that's interesting, I didn't know there's a standard that multiple manufacturers adhere to
2015-05-27T18:22:37 < karlp> nice testing... "This will not be addressed in a future version of the device. This bcdDevice field can be changed through the
2015-05-27T18:22:40 < karlp> configuration options by programming the EEPROM via the SMBus or I 2 C interface. Also, a Microsoft Contin-
2015-05-27T18:22:43 < karlp> gency number 323 can be used to waive the five Windows Hardware Certification tests mentioned above."
2015-05-27T18:22:46 < jadew> I thought everyone is making their own mounts
2015-05-27T18:23:01 < karlp> so, if you fail the windows hardware tests, it's ok, as long as you read the errata to find out the magic exemption code.
2015-05-27T18:23:02 < jadew> so they can sell their own glass
2015-05-27T18:23:12 < zyp> jadew, well, as you can tell from the table, most vendors do
2015-05-27T18:23:30 < jadew> zyp, yeah
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2015-05-27T18:24:00 < englishman> wow thats amazing
2015-05-27T18:24:11 < jadew> the list looked more impressive when I didn't realize a lot of those values are model numbers
2015-05-27T18:24:18 < englishman> sorry you cant use nikkor you have an olympus
2015-05-27T18:24:20 < englishman> those days are OVER
2015-05-27T18:25:40 < PeterM> you can have yoru nikkor on your microfourturds, microfourturds has a smaller flange distance so you can fit adapters no problemo an still get infinity focus
2015-05-27T18:26:11 < zyp> but it's generally not worth it
2015-05-27T18:26:24 < PeterM> sure
2015-05-27T18:26:39 < zyp> modern lenses got so much electronics that mechanical compatibility is usually the least of your worries
2015-05-27T18:27:00 < zyp> unless you just want to use old dumb manual-everything lenses
2015-05-27T18:27:10 < englishman> last camera i bought was nikon d40
2015-05-27T18:27:14 < englishman> now my phone takes better pix
2015-05-27T18:27:39 < englishman> and updongs them to the cloud
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2015-05-27T18:28:36 < PeterM> zyp there are a fair few active adapters that do at minimum aperture, metering  adn inlense image stab
2015-05-27T18:28:47 < PeterM> autofocus oens are rare though
2015-05-27T18:29:37 < zyp> I have an adapter from Nikon F to Canon EF somewhere that I bought once
2015-05-27T18:29:40 < zyp> dunno what for
2015-05-27T18:29:44 < zyp> :p
2015-05-27T18:30:47 < zyp> there's a chip on the adapter that tells the camera «hi, I'm a lens», so that it does metering, but otherwise there's no functionality
2015-05-27T18:31:03 < PeterM> my missus uses a canon EF lens on her sony a7s
2015-05-27T18:31:26 < PeterM> shes got an active adapter that does everything
2015-05-27T18:31:43 < PeterM> af,aperture,metering, is etc
2015-05-27T18:32:05 < zyp> doesn't sony do is in the camera body?
2015-05-27T18:32:41 < PeterM> some do
2015-05-27T18:33:01 < PeterM> but canon ef lenses do is in lense which is better than in body usually
2015-05-27T18:33:16 < PeterM> so its handy to have
2015-05-27T18:33:23 < zyp> yeah, I know
2015-05-27T18:33:32 < zyp> I have a couple of decent is lenses
2015-05-27T18:34:14 < PeterM> she bought the adapter so she could use some of her old canon lenses when she got the a7s
2015-05-27T18:34:36 < PeterM> a7s + canon 50mm f1.0 is nuts
2015-05-27T18:34:44 < PeterM> basically shoot in the dark
2015-05-27T18:34:48 < zyp> is a7s ff?
2015-05-27T18:35:20 < PeterM> yes
2015-05-27T18:35:28 < zyp> ah, then I can imagine
2015-05-27T18:37:20 < englishman> zano killer http://www.ebay.com/itm/321765840778
2015-05-27T18:37:36 < PeterM> you can use at 6400 with 0 noise, patterns and no colour degredation
2015-05-27T18:37:51 < zyp> around half of what I've invested in lenses are in lenses designed for crop bodies, so I'm not going ff any time soon :p
2015-05-27T18:39:33 < zyp> well, not that it really matters, 17-55/2.8 and 60mm macro is only about $1300 or so
2015-05-27T18:40:42 < PeterM> yeah, neat thing on a7s is because its a MILC short flange  distance you can use crop lenses on it and you can enable crop factor in camera so there is no issues
2015-05-27T18:40:54 < PeterM> zyp is that 17-55 2.8 is?
2015-05-27T18:41:02 < zyp> ah, right, I didn't realize it were MILC
2015-05-27T18:41:05 < zyp> yes
2015-05-27T18:41:36 < PeterM> that lense is still the lowest light lense available
2015-05-27T18:41:49 < zyp> it's nice
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2015-05-27T18:42:29 < zyp> bought it in 2008 on my first trip to jp, for 2/3 of what it would have cost me in norway
2015-05-27T18:42:47 < PeterM> if you could buy again, would you get the sigma 18-35 f1.8? shit is beautiful
2015-05-27T18:43:09 < zyp> idk, I haven't heard about it
2015-05-27T18:43:20 < zyp> like I said, I haven't been keeping up with news for some years
2015-05-27T18:44:05 < PeterM> fair enough
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2015-05-27T18:44:39 < zyp> I weren't aware there existed zoom lenses with that wide an aperture nowadays
2015-05-27T18:45:08 < zyp> how is picture quality compared to the 17-55?
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2015-05-27T18:46:44 < zyp> I guess picture quality is more important than widest aperture, I rarely use widest aperture anyway
2015-05-27T18:47:17 < zyp> the DoF gets so shallow
2015-05-27T18:47:21 < PeterM> it is incredibly sharp
2015-05-27T18:47:57 < PeterM> sigma tamron etc used to have fairly shit lenses compared to others but sigma ave really picked up their game
2015-05-27T18:48:20 < zyp> for a lot of cases, a decent flash is better than a fast lens
2015-05-27T18:50:12 < zyp> oh, and englishman mentioned phone cameras
2015-05-27T18:50:31 < zyp> as good as they are nowadays, they're still a joke compared to a decent camera setup
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2015-05-27T18:55:14 < PeterM> even a $200 point and shit camera liek a canon s100 absolutely destroys a phoen camera
2015-05-27T18:56:11 < PeterM> zyp, sure but you can add a flash to a lense to make it better but you can't add more lense to your lense to make it better
2015-05-27T18:57:10 < zyp> of course
2015-05-27T18:57:56 < englishman> canon s100 doesnt have interwebs, dropbox, hangouts or irc tho
2015-05-27T18:58:12 < englishman> and i cant tweet dick pix to instagram
2015-05-27T18:58:16 < englishman> where they get resized to 600x600
2015-05-27T18:58:31 < zyp> didn't canon or someone make a DSLR running android?
2015-05-27T18:58:48 < zyp> or maybe MILC, I don't remember
2015-05-27T18:59:00 < trepidaciousMBR2> Phone cameras work pretty well in bright light, if you don't mind a large fepth of field
2015-05-27T18:59:20 < zyp> usually you want a large depth of field anyway
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2015-05-27T18:59:51 < trepidaciousMBR2> Yup, unless you want to get all arty :)
2015-05-27T19:00:02 < PeterM> zyp samsung made their galaxy cameras but they were shite
2015-05-27T19:00:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> Samsung cameras in general do not seem to be great
2015-05-27T19:00:38 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/emEVb.JPG <- this is the kind of shit I shoot
2015-05-27T19:00:41 < PeterM> englishman, but it is small enough if you're a coman to stick i nyour handbag and forget about
2015-05-27T19:00:44 < zyp> a phone wouldn't compete :p
2015-05-27T19:00:54 < trepidaciousMBR2> Maybe they've got better, I'd rather have a camera from a camera manufacturer :)
2015-05-27T19:01:20 < PeterM> trepidaciousMBR2, in good light phone camers do good, but sicne its a phone camera, the light is always shit
2015-05-27T19:02:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> I had a samsung point and shoot thing and it was just horrible, seemed to have an RNG connected to all the "auto" settings
2015-05-27T19:02:37 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BgCFT.JPG <- phone would probably be able to compete with this kind of shit
2015-05-27T19:02:52 < PeterM> trepidaciousMBR2, >samsung theres ytour problem
2015-05-27T19:03:14 < PeterM> zyp correct on both points
2015-05-27T19:03:23 < trepidaciousMBR2> PeterM: Yeah I vowed never to buy another samsung anything, except maybe SSDs
2015-05-27T19:03:58 < trepidaciousMBR2> PeterM: They seem to make really awful TVs as well, and decent phone hardware with awful styling, software and screen calibration
2015-05-27T19:05:11 < englishman> PeterM: sorry, im not european, and im a male, i dont carry a handbag.
2015-05-27T19:05:12 < englishman> :)
2015-05-27T19:08:10 < trepidaciousMBR2> Half of the point of getting a good camera is so you have an excuse to carry a bag you can put stuff in
2015-05-27T19:10:22 < zyp> I've been travelling a couple of times with so much shit in my backpack that the camera wouldn't fit
2015-05-27T19:10:53 < zyp> but that's fine, since it's wearable as a bag by itself :p
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2015-05-27T19:14:34 < zyp> 70-200/2.8 IS is pretty huge
2015-05-27T19:15:34 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/uqzlLi9.jpg
2015-05-27T19:16:38 < zyp> :p
2015-05-27T19:20:15 < Laurenceb__> http://kuwaitiful.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/huge-camera-lens-nikon.jpg
2015-05-27T19:21:05 < Laurenceb__> or more likely
2015-05-27T19:21:07 < Laurenceb__> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e7/5c/40/e75c409296bcd126e2089fc767498b96.jpg
2015-05-27T19:37:36 < Simon--> http://s3.amazonaws.com/graffiti/cb751d7e17292d585bb202b93ae09dd3_580x270.png
2015-05-27T19:39:39 < jpa-> https://plus.google.com/+gimp/posts/cxhB1PScFpe   luls sourceforge is taking over accounts in order to distribute adware
2015-05-27T19:40:39 < englishman> nice
2015-05-27T19:42:39 < gxti> sounds more like someone's account got broken into
2015-05-27T19:43:11 < ReadError> the ask.com toolbar is wonderful though
2015-05-27T19:44:05 < englishman> yes i only download JAVA to get that awesome toolbar
2015-05-27T19:44:20 < jpa-> i download java also for the awesome virus check
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2015-05-27T20:35:16 < zyp> jpa-, I'm looking at protobuf, were curious how you handled arrays
2015-05-27T20:35:24 < zyp> the callbacks seems like a good way
2015-05-27T20:35:50 < jpa-> yeah, it works
2015-05-27T20:35:51 < zyp> and the max_size attr, shame that's not part of the standard
2015-05-27T20:37:51 < zyp> I'm considering how a C++ api would look, I figure I could emit virtual methods in the class for callbacks, and expect them to be overrided in the passed object
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2015-05-27T20:39:49 < zyp> hmm, that wouldn't work for submessages
2015-05-27T20:40:32 < jpa-> or maybe just have a field where you can put std::function?
2015-05-27T20:40:54 < zyp> is std::function suitable for embedded?
2015-05-27T20:41:08 < jpa-> yeah, works for me
2015-05-27T20:41:13 < zyp> oh
2015-05-27T20:41:16 < zyp> with std::bind?
2015-05-27T20:41:42 < jpa-> i think so; i can dig up some code pastes if you remind me tomorrow when i'm at work
2015-05-27T20:41:53 < zyp> okay
2015-05-27T20:41:55 < zyp> which STL?
2015-05-27T20:42:22 < jpa-> whatever comes with gcc-arm-embedded
2015-05-27T20:43:09 < zyp> I guess std::function by itself is small enough, but I believe std::bind requires a heap to allocate storage for the bound variables
2015-05-27T20:43:48 < jpa-> probably, i do have heap
2015-05-27T20:44:23 < zyp> then there's no challenge :)
2015-05-27T20:44:25 < jpa-> and not 100% sure now how the code went.. end result was that i got nice std::function that will invoke a method on an object instance, so i guess i must be using std::bind
2015-05-27T20:44:29 < jpa-> :)
2015-05-27T20:47:04 < zyp> I want to be able to bind arbitrary methods in my future USB API, but I don't want to require a stack for that
2015-05-27T20:48:09 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.h#n124 <- I have that MFP magic here that seemed to work last time I used it
2015-05-27T20:48:28 < zyp> but I don't think it's completely sane, considering I have to explicitly silence a gcc warning about that :p
2015-05-27T20:49:02 < jpa-> nuttx does similar things by having foobarEventHandler objects, which have the bunch of virtual functions; you then subclass the event handler object and give it to the main class
2015-05-27T20:49:12 < jpa-> it has the benefit that you don't need to be in charge of creating the main object
2015-05-27T20:49:33 < jpa-> (also the benefit that you can chain the event handlers if needed for some reason)
2015-05-27T20:49:53 < zyp> I don't like the idea of having to declare a whole class just to create a callback
2015-05-27T20:50:01 < jpa-> yep
2015-05-27T20:51:05 < jpa-> in nuttx case there usually is a class anyway (because you can't have a widget/application without it), so you just stick the EventHandler in its inheritance
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2015-05-27T22:52:31 < ambro718> The reference manual says this for some SDIO registers: After a data write, data cannot be written to this register for three SDIOCLK (48MHz) clock periods plus two PCLK2 clock periods.
2015-05-27T22:52:45 < ambro718> What exactly does this mean? What happens if I write it earlier?
2015-05-27T22:58:12 < Austin___> with em::blocks, should i use ARM GCC compiler, or em::blocks bare metal compiler?
2015-05-27T22:59:00 < Austin___> is there any big benefits of using arm-none-eabi?
2015-05-27T22:59:36 < zyp> ambro718, it's undefined
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2015-05-27T23:00:44 < ambro718> zyp: I'm looking at stm32f4xx_hal_sd.c and I don't see any attempt to avoid this incident.
2015-05-27T23:01:31 < karlp> might just block?
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2015-05-27T23:02:58 < zyp> maybe
2015-05-27T23:03:21 < zyp> as far as I can see, those are only initialization registers that you'd only write once anyway
2015-05-27T23:03:47 < ambro718> no, they're used per command or data transfer
2015-05-27T23:04:07 < zyp> oh, right, applies to SDIO_CMD too
2015-05-27T23:04:18 < ambro718> and DCTRL
2015-05-27T23:04:51 < zyp> I didn't do anything special about that when I dicked around with SDIO, so I don't think it's anything you'd have to care about
2015-05-27T23:05:29 < ambro718> yeah I'll probably take that approach :)
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2015-05-27T23:06:31 < ambro718> why does the vendor-provided code have to be crap...
2015-05-27T23:06:44 < ambro718> (not asynchronous)
2015-05-27T23:07:21 < zyp> I thought that was the norm for any vendor-provided code
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2015-05-28T00:14:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z8JvbVOqwo "I feed my horse wieners"
2015-05-28T00:14:24 < kakimir> musics spam
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2015-05-28T00:24:43 < Laurenceb_> too busy listening to goatpenis
2015-05-28T00:25:38 < GargantuaSauce> i dont really care for their new album, it's a bit disappointing
2015-05-28T00:25:46 < GargantuaSauce> cause trampled under hoof was pretty fantastic
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2015-05-28T00:31:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.last.fm/music/Goatpenis/_/Combustion+Light+Gas+Gun+%28CLGG%29
2015-05-28T00:31:29 < Laurenceb_> words i didnt expect to see together
2015-05-28T00:31:31 < GargantuaSauce> oh
2015-05-28T00:32:06 < kakimir> I have never seen goat penis
2015-05-28T00:32:10 < GargantuaSauce> i figured you were applying the usual dumb lexical substitution to goatsnake e_e
2015-05-28T00:33:34 < Laurenceb_> combustion light gas guns are fun
2015-05-28T00:33:49 < GargantuaSauce> those guys are not very good
2015-05-28T00:34:04 < Laurenceb_> not listening
2015-05-28T00:34:08 < Laurenceb_> just trolling
2015-05-28T00:34:13 < Laurenceb_> i prefer trance
2015-05-28T00:35:21 < Laurenceb_> or burzum
2015-05-28T00:35:24 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2015-05-28T00:35:35 < GargantuaSauce> have you seen his website
2015-05-28T00:35:46 < GargantuaSauce> it's entertaining
2015-05-28T00:36:17 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDtkqLZ0Qzw&list=PLpB_gluGMb786n0w-z5jnGS5G2bWajJ-d here's my musicspam for tonight
2015-05-28T00:36:31 < Laurenceb_> wtf it went full putin
2015-05-28T00:37:32 < Laurenceb_> vote vote vote
2015-05-28T00:37:33 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37644.0
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2015-05-28T00:58:40 < dirty_d> any of you have a timer example on F0 with dead time insertion?
2015-05-28T00:58:43 < dirty_d> building a welder!
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2015-05-28T01:07:53 < kakimir> propably going to build yself welder too if I have time
2015-05-28T01:08:03 < kakimir> basically pid controller
2015-05-28T01:08:29 < kakimir> using "brand" handles with it
2015-05-28T01:09:52 < kakimir> dirty_d: check available tools if they ship examples with em
2015-05-28T01:10:07 < kakimir> *provide
2015-05-28T01:10:40 < dirty_d> kakimir, well im really just building an inverter
2015-05-28T01:10:48 < dirty_d> i have an AC/DC stick welder
2015-05-28T01:10:59 < dirty_d> i want square wave tig though
2015-05-28T01:11:25 < dirty_d> bought two heft 600V 200A dual IGBTs on ebay for $14
2015-05-28T01:11:31 < dirty_d> hefty*
2015-05-28T01:11:47 < kakimir> oh
2015-05-28T01:13:08 < kakimir> how come.. drawing universal controller atm. for projects including control of existing tig welder
2015-05-28T01:13:30 < dirty_d> how come which part?
2015-05-28T01:14:05 < kakimir> sory my english malfunctions
2015-05-28T01:15:00 < kakimir> basically a board that maps out to row connectors and smas dozens of functions of lpc1517
2015-05-28T01:15:52 < kakimir> just connect drivers and sensing
2015-05-28T01:16:08 < dirty_d> ahh
2015-05-28T01:16:24 < dirty_d> yea im just using a stm32f0discovery board
2015-05-28T01:16:30 < kakimir> I have broken controller board in my tig
2015-05-28T01:16:34 < dirty_d> me too
2015-05-28T01:16:38 < dirty_d> and its DC only
2015-05-28T01:16:48 < kakimir> analog mess all the way cant figure it out
2015-05-28T01:16:52 < dirty_d> so i think im just going to cannibalize it for parts
2015-05-28T01:17:01 < dirty_d> same here, looks way too complicated
2015-05-28T01:17:22 < dirty_d> i feel like a single microcontroller in it would have eliminated 80% of the components in it
2015-05-28T01:17:28 < dirty_d> or more
2015-05-28T01:17:50 < dirty_d> tehre are only a handful of power components in it
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2015-05-28T01:18:59 < kakimir> do you know if there is any sense of changing SCRs to fets of igbts?
2015-05-28T01:19:21 < kakimir> fully funtional SCR block
2015-05-28T01:19:24 < kakimir> measured
2015-05-28T01:21:20 < kakimir> I think I don't change anything
2015-05-28T01:22:26 < dirty_d> i havent really messed with it much
2015-05-28T01:22:30 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUTRUZXk1YkxzUGM/view?usp=sharing
2015-05-28T01:23:03 < dirty_d> whats taht do?
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2015-05-28T01:24:00 < kakimir> seperate control of SCRs from orginal analog controllers and have isolated inputs for mcu board connection
2015-05-28T01:24:37 < GargantuaSauce> does it really need sma e_e
2015-05-28T01:24:43 < GargantuaSauce> whats the switching frequency
2015-05-28T01:24:47 < dirty_d> this makes no sense to me http://pastebin.com/5uT2f4yG
2015-05-28T01:24:54 < kakimir> propably 100hz
2015-05-28T01:25:01 < kakimir> or so
2015-05-28T01:25:22 < GargantuaSauce> lol
2015-05-28T01:25:35 < kakimir> it's for looks and practise
2015-05-28T01:26:09 < kakimir> how could those SCRs control faster than 100hz?
2015-05-28T01:27:41 < kakimir> it confuses me there may be no need or ability for high speed switching in these old machines
2015-05-28T01:28:15 < kakimir> or even some constant voltage rail or anything
2015-05-28T01:28:30 < _Sync_> if it is a regular transformer TIG you cannot switch faster than 100Hz
2015-05-28T01:29:13 < dirty_d> old tig machines switch at 60Hz
2015-05-28T01:29:21 < kakimir> why so?
2015-05-28T01:29:27 < _Sync_> think about how an SCR works
2015-05-28T01:29:34 < kakimir> half phase 60hz mains
2015-05-28T01:29:36 < kakimir> +
2015-05-28T01:29:37 < kakimir> ?
2015-05-28T01:29:39 < dirty_d> they used SCRs i think
2015-05-28T01:29:48 < _Sync_> how do you switch an SCR off?
2015-05-28T01:30:03 < dirty_d> they had two separate power supplies one for positive another for negative
2015-05-28T01:30:12 < dirty_d> or so i hear
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2015-05-28T01:30:26 < _Sync_> they usually have centertapped transformers
2015-05-28T01:30:35 < _Sync_> so you save a halfbridge
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2015-05-28T01:30:56 < GargantuaSauce> well they just switch off when the current goes near zero right
2015-05-28T01:31:59 < _Sync_> hence not being able to switch faster than 100Hz
2015-05-28T01:32:36 < GargantuaSauce> in this application sure
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2015-05-28T01:33:04 < dirty_d> one of the supplies is in current limited short circuit while the other is connected to the welding cable
2015-05-28T01:33:16 < dirty_d> thats how they got a square wave out of AC
2015-05-28T01:34:20 < kakimir> is it square actually?
2015-05-28T01:35:03 < kakimir> there is some mad size resistor inside welder
2015-05-28T01:35:21 < kakimir> idle resistor
2015-05-28T01:38:00 < kakimir> oh
2015-05-28T01:38:48 < kakimir> so load is switched to resistor in end of phase?
2015-05-28T01:39:03 < kakimir> output rail
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2015-05-28T01:40:23 < kakimir> and output voltage falls or..
2015-05-28T01:41:18 < kakimir> so there must be inductance at some point
2015-05-28T01:41:33 < kakimir> to limit current
2015-05-28T01:41:44 < kakimir> current change
2015-05-28T01:42:07 < kakimir> got to sleep now>
2015-05-28T01:42:23 < kakimir> thanks for insights guys
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2015-05-28T01:52:10 < englishman> gxti: not breached, sf confirmed it was taken over lol https://sourceforge.net/blog/gimp-win-project-wasnt-hijacked-just-abandoned/
2015-05-28T01:55:33 < gxti> k
2015-05-28T01:55:56 < GargantuaSauce> hmm, abandoned because of intrusive ads
2015-05-28T01:56:00 < GargantuaSauce> totally different
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2015-05-28T02:08:31 < dirty_d> kakimir, yea inductance
2015-05-28T02:12:24 < dirty_d> yea, blinkenlights, almost a welder
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2015-05-28T02:28:33 < dirty_d> frequency and balance display? i think so http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Seven-Segment-Displays-Driver-Module/dp/B00GWFB9NE/ref=sr_1_5?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1432769176&sr=8-5&keywords=7+segment+display
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2015-05-28T03:13:59 < dongs> sup blogs
2015-05-28T03:51:39 < dongs> PeterM: thermaldongics stuff is all going to fit my metcal right?
2015-05-28T03:51:44 < dongs> thinking of picking up tweezer handle
2015-05-28T03:52:53 < ds2> you desolder a lot?
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2015-05-28T03:53:02 < dongs> enough to rage
2015-05-28T03:54:36 < ds2> report back on how well they work
2015-05-28T03:55:42 < dongs> i haev to bust out my old trash hakko and hold 2 handles to desolder leds and shit
2015-05-28T03:56:15 < ds2> I found the chisel tip is wide enough for that stuff
2015-05-28T03:56:22 < dongs> newp
2015-05-28T03:56:28 < dongs> do you even leadfree
2015-05-28T03:56:37 < ds2> yes unfortunately :(
2015-05-28T03:56:50 < ds2> the wide tip lets me get both pads at once
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2015-05-28T07:00:48 < dongs> yes
2015-05-28T07:00:57 < dongs> mdp is same shit
2015-05-28T07:01:22 < dongs> size
2015-05-28T07:01:25 < dongs> its apple connector
2015-05-28T07:01:30 < dongs> and its a cunt to solder
2015-05-28T07:01:35 < dongs> so some places prefer full dp
2015-05-28T07:03:35 < GargantuaSauce> yeah way better than hdmi
2015-05-28T07:03:38 < englishman> http://www.pcidv.com/pic/matrox/m9188-mini-dp.jpg
2015-05-28T07:03:44 < englishman> screw terminal
2015-05-28T07:03:47 < englishman> seems secure
2015-05-28T07:03:50 < englishman> like VGA
2015-05-28T07:04:18 < dongs> lol what card is that
2015-05-28T07:04:33 < englishman> http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/graphics_cards/m_series/m9188pciex16/
2015-05-28T07:04:56 < englishman> developed in MentorGraphics
2015-05-28T07:04:56 < dongs> awesome
2015-05-28T07:05:09 < dongs> Support resolutions up to 2560 x 1600 (DisplayPort) and 1920 x 1200 (DVI) per output
2015-05-28T07:05:13 < dongs> trashj
2015-05-28T07:05:29 < GargantuaSauce> 2gb of vram and 8 outputs
2015-05-28T07:05:43 < dongs> lolwat
2015-05-28T07:05:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mzEbbt9.jpg dickstarter update
2015-05-28T07:06:10 < englishman> UL-approved china ac/dc supply
2015-05-28T07:06:18 < dongs> nah thats not the real one
2015-05-28T07:06:47 < englishman> filthy smoker
2015-05-28T07:06:53 < dongs> not even
2015-05-28T07:07:25 < ReadError> dongs you need a latte with a dickbutt
2015-05-28T07:07:44 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/VBFCM6O.jpg
2015-05-28T07:08:05 < ReadError> R2COM if y ou dont use scaling yea
2015-05-28T07:08:10 < ReadError> shits too tiny
2015-05-28T07:08:33 < dongs> i suppose  you can set DPIto 125%
2015-05-28T07:08:34 < dongs> ...
2015-05-28T07:08:35 < dongs> if you really want to
2015-05-28T07:08:38 < dongs> but at 27"???
2015-05-28T07:08:38 < dongs> wat
2015-05-28T07:08:52 < englishman> these 10" ipad screens are good dpi
2015-05-28T07:10:15 < englishman> 24" 4k is only 187dpi
2015-05-28T07:10:28 < englishman> ipad3 is 264dpi
2015-05-28T07:10:51 < ReadError> yea but surface area
2015-05-28T07:11:00 < ReadError> can fit 4+ ipads on 1 24"
2015-05-28T07:11:17 < englishman> 27" 4k is same dpi as 13.3" 1080p
2015-05-28T07:12:50 < englishman> wut
2015-05-28T07:13:10 < englishman> maths
2015-05-28T07:13:53 < englishman> 4k 27" 100dpi
2015-05-28T07:13:55 < englishman> doesnt work
2015-05-28T07:14:36 < englishman> 4k 100dpi would be 44"
2015-05-28T07:14:46 < PeterM> [10:51] <dongs> PeterM: thermaldongics stuff is all going to fit my metcal right? - yes, and so will stuff for the hakko FX-100 (which is new, but probably common in japang)
2015-05-28T07:16:21 < ReadError> 28" 4K Ultra High Resolution (3840 x 2160 @ 60Hz) display, 4 times the pixel of FHD (1920 x 1080), 157 ppi for impeccable visuals
2015-05-28T07:16:50 < englishman> crashed lunix with too many pixels
2015-05-28T07:18:57 < dongs> PeterM: oo, hakko cloned metcal shit too?
2015-05-28T07:20:03 < PeterM> yeah, patents ran out in like 2010 or something
2015-05-28T07:20:26 < PeterM> the tips aren't compatible between but if you get the new hakko handle it will work on metcal box
2015-05-28T07:21:06 < englishman> $580
2015-05-28T07:21:25 < englishman> but it has buttonz
2015-05-28T07:21:30 < englishman> what do they doo???
2015-05-28T07:21:41 < PeterM> englishman wat
2015-05-28T07:21:57 < englishman> on hacko
2015-05-28T07:22:08 < PeterM> oh
2015-05-28T07:22:10 < ReadError> adjust temp
2015-05-28T07:22:14 < PeterM> nah
2015-05-28T07:22:18 < PeterM> no adj temp
2015-05-28T07:22:20 < englishman> i thought it didnt work like that
2015-05-28T07:22:28 < PeterM> it doesnt
2015-05-28T07:22:29 < ReadError> i thought that was the thing they where pushing on them?
2015-05-28T07:22:51 < englishman> normal and BOOST mode
2015-05-28T07:22:54 < ReadError> oh nm thinking something different
2015-05-28T07:23:14 < englishman> and tip time
2015-05-28T07:23:16 < englishman> neato
2015-05-28T07:23:22 < PeterM> fx-100 handle  $40, iron tip $10, 2nd hand metcal base $100
2015-05-28T07:24:09 < PeterM> the hakko stuff is pretty new tho so will be hard to find in us
2015-05-28T07:24:50 < englishman> http://www.tequipment.net/Hakko/FX-100/Desoldering-Equipment/Rework-Stations/?v=0
2015-05-28T07:24:52 < englishman> add to cart
2015-05-28T07:25:04 < englishman> o no stock
2015-05-28T07:25:07 < englishman> stupid tequipment
2015-05-28T07:27:17 < ReadError> dongs http://www.amazon.com/Crazepony%C2%AE-EMAX32-Skyline32-Controller-Quadcopter/dp/B00XX2UWT6/
2015-05-28T07:27:25 < ReadError> witespy or another orig clone?
2015-05-28T07:28:41 < englishman> wow they keep getting worse
2015-05-28T07:28:46 < englishman> and cant do better on price
2015-05-28T07:29:28 < englishman> 2nd product photo is typical clone
2015-05-28T07:29:35 < PeterM> englishman, http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/netshop598r/item/hakfx1001-81/ + http://www.ebay.com/itm/151695701480 http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/netshop598r/item/hakt31-02i/
2015-05-28T07:30:09 < englishman> nice cheap metcal
2015-05-28T07:30:13 < englishman> (i got a thermaldonics)
2015-05-28T07:31:02 < PeterM> yer
2015-05-28T07:32:10 < PeterM> im doing another rev to my metcal board, adding buck-boost to power input for battery powered use
2015-05-28T07:34:15 < ReadError> like that guy on eevblog making his own?
2015-05-28T07:34:44 < PeterM> yeah, his shit is spensive and huge though
2015-05-28T07:56:26 < ReadError> BBC huh
2015-05-28T07:56:29 < ReadError> didnt know you where in to that
2015-05-28T08:00:40 < dongs> ReadError: looks like another retard clone, lol @ motor pins on shitty connector
2015-05-28T08:00:59 < dongs> then what you gotta make a harness for them with reverse 3pin shits??
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2015-05-28T08:05:51 < ReadError> R2COM well mine is on osx
2015-05-28T08:06:17 < ReadError> i think my windows virtuals i use like 150
2015-05-28T08:06:22 < dongs> R2COM: uhhhh, why would you run games at 4k
2015-05-28T08:06:27 < dongs> youy need a retard video card for 4k
2015-05-28T08:06:28 < dongs> or two of them
2015-05-28T08:06:32 < dongs> just run the shit in like 1080p window
2015-05-28T08:12:13 < DanteA> Big cooler and good power unit also.
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2015-05-28T08:13:27 < dongs> i have 3 4k screens and i run a 45W TDP video card
2015-05-28T08:13:35 < dongs> then again, im not a gamerfgt
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2015-05-28T08:28:28 < dongs> yes
2015-05-28T08:29:40 < dongs> 125
2015-05-28T08:30:08 < dongs> nope
2015-05-28T08:30:09 < dongs> normal
2015-05-28T08:31:42 < PeterM> R2COM, dongs has glorious nippon vision, sharper than a samurais sword, but with odd pixelation around nudity
2015-05-28T08:31:55 < dongs> i would never use > 100 on below 4k
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2015-05-28T08:50:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, you running like 4 video cards in your box?
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2015-05-28T09:03:52 < jpa-> zyp: so yeah, indeed i'm using std::bind, works fine but uses heap
2015-05-28T09:12:52 < jpa-> zyp: i wonder if it would be possible to make a non-allocating, limited std::bind
2015-05-28T09:12:57 < jpa-> that would just bind the base class instance
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2015-05-28T09:37:02 < baird> Great. Bought 3x ST M48Z02 nvrams as replacements for DS1220, and none of them fucking work.
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2015-05-28T09:37:30 < jpa-> did you buy fakeparts from ebay or are you just fail?
2015-05-28T09:37:41 < baird> From E14.
2015-05-28T09:38:15 < baird> They're 70ns, so certainly not the issue there.
2015-05-28T09:42:32 < ds2> wow mips parts are power guzzliers compared to arm
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2015-05-28T10:15:25 < dongs> ds2: dont tell that to zano
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2015-05-28T10:30:42 < dongs> It's quite a tough question. Currently, we've chosen the motors to best perform with standard micro UAV propellers.
2015-05-28T10:30:45 < dongs> However we believe these props do not give the maximum efficiency and therefore we've started to spend resources (engineering & monetary) in creating a more efficient model. However, it is very expensive as it takes many trials and tweaks, and each samples produced cost about £3k in tooling.
2015-05-28T10:32:52 < Roklobsta> your favourite UAV tteetering on the precipice?
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2015-05-28T10:48:12 < dongs> http://www.invensense.com/products/7-axis/
2015-05-28T10:48:13 < dongs> wt
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2015-05-28T12:46:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/27/awair/
2015-05-28T12:46:42 < Laurenceb_> lulz
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2015-05-28T13:29:50 < karlp> dongs: fucking love the hot tweezers at work.
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2015-05-28T13:31:35 < ReadError> talons?
2015-05-28T13:45:15 < dongs> zyp, in a composite device, they're all under same vid/pid right?
2015-05-28T13:45:19 < dongs> i cba to look it up
2015-05-28T13:45:29 < dongs> i.e. if I have MSC and CDC etc under same composite
2015-05-28T13:46:13 < dongs> eh, i think they are
2015-05-28T13:46:51 < Fleck> [07:56:26] <ReadError> BBC huh << it's not BBC, it's VVS actually :D
2015-05-28T13:46:57 < jpa-> yeah, sure
2015-05-28T13:47:07 < jpa-> you have to emulate a hub to have multiple vid/pid
2015-05-28T13:47:23 < ReadError> VVS?
2015-05-28T13:47:25 < dongs> right, i realized cuz i have a device thats a HID + custom bulk shit
2015-05-28T13:47:34 < dongs> and those are different by \1 \2 or wahtever in inf file
2015-05-28T13:47:54 < Fleck> ReadError: yes, B is V for russians and C is S
2015-05-28T13:48:30 < ReadError> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bbc
2015-05-28T13:49:56 < dongs> haha new2me
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2015-05-28T13:55:24 < dongs> Personally I have been working on streaming video from Zano. Getting a high speed shutter and minimal jitter from the video feed, testing the camera with the motors and all RF devices running at full power to ensure there is not digital noise showing on the video. Its all great and working beautifully.
2015-05-28T13:56:09 < dongs> The RGB display's are in full production, we have one component change to do on the top board (just a change to a components value) and then the top board is ready for full production, we have removed some parts from the flight frame after our successful EMC test as they aren't required as Zano is much quitter electrically than expected.
2015-05-28T13:56:59 < dongs> We are also going to start working on loads of cool videos too shortly. We are on track to integrate all the new code together next week and get the new app connected to Zano and streaming live video and completely live. So everything from gesture control to the various automated tasks.
2015-05-28T13:57:04 < dongs> haha
2015-05-28T13:57:07 < dongs> gesture control
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2015-05-28T14:02:33 < zyp> yeah, vid/pid is in the device descriptor, which a device only has one of
2015-05-28T14:02:41 < zyp> or rather, one active at a time
2015-05-28T14:02:51 < scrts_w> what is it about that zano?
2015-05-28T14:03:02 < zyp> normal mode/bootloader mode are usually different pids, since only one is active at a time
2015-05-28T14:03:03 < scrts_w> is it so amazing that dongs has multiple orgasms every day? :>
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2015-05-28T14:03:28 < dongs> scrts_w: its doing amazing things in hand-coded assembly on a PIC32
2015-05-28T14:03:34 < dongs> so im super excited.
2015-05-28T14:03:38 < jpa-> zano has their own usb implementation that flies 50% longer, has 100% better image quality and can support INFINITE pids
2015-05-28T14:03:46 < dongs> haha
2015-05-28T14:03:48 < scrts_w> dongs: amazing like what?
2015-05-28T14:04:22 < dongs> scrts_w: 720p wifi video streaming, writing 1080p video to UHS-1 SD cards, gesture control, obstacle avoidance, fully autonoumous GPS flying, etc.
2015-05-28T14:04:41 < dongs> oh, it has a 8x8 RGB led array on it
2015-05-28T14:04:44 < dongs> to display anything you want
2015-05-28T14:04:48 < dongs> and 15 minutes flight time
2015-05-28T14:04:53 < dongs> on a 450mAh battery
2015-05-28T14:04:57 < dongs> and <60gram weight
2015-05-28T14:05:07 < scrts_w> :------)
2015-05-28T14:05:16 < scrts_w> devs have a long nose...
2015-05-28T14:05:22 < scrts_w> pinnochios..
2015-05-28T14:07:41 < dongs> didn't stop them from collecting ~3mil$ from dickstarter
2015-05-28T14:09:44 < ReadError> i wonder how much source code they stole
2015-05-28T14:09:52 < ReadError> cant wait to run strings on their firmware update
2015-05-28T14:09:59 < dongs> its gonna be super encrypted
2015-05-28T14:10:05 < dongs> wiht amazing reedman usb bootloader
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2015-05-28T14:11:41 < ReadError> then again no real project uses PIC
2015-05-28T14:13:51 < tecdroid> btw hi
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2015-05-28T14:14:38 < dongs> tesla is all about pic24f
2015-05-28T14:15:09 < ReadError> i was cloning hard on some pic shit the other week
2015-05-28T14:15:15 < dongs> i bet
2015-05-28T14:15:17 < ReadError> but all the compile shit made me ragequit
2015-05-28T14:15:23 < dongs> did you ever get anywhere with that mipi-csi-cvbs thing
2015-05-28T14:15:23 < ReadError> compiler*
2015-05-28T14:15:32 < ReadError> yea got it assembled
2015-05-28T14:15:36 < ReadError> but then didnt have the FPC
2015-05-28T14:15:36 < dongs> and?
2015-05-28T14:15:39 < dongs> o.
2015-05-28T14:15:42 < dongs> fpc to rageberry?
2015-05-28T14:15:44 < ReadError> then ordered
2015-05-28T14:15:45 < ReadError> yea
2015-05-28T14:15:58 < dongs> do tweet the progress.
2015-05-28T14:16:08 < ReadError> I need to do some i2c shit next
2015-05-28T14:16:33 < ReadError> and recompile the rpi2 kernel to add support
2015-05-28T14:16:45 < ReadError> since gonna use that instead of hummingboard
2015-05-28T14:19:46 < ReadError> if i can get the PIC bootloader + hex combined and working
2015-05-28T14:19:50 < ReadError> ill opensource ezuhf
2015-05-28T14:19:57 < ReadError> and take down ssassen
2015-05-28T14:20:00 < dongs> who cares
2015-05-28T14:21:43 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Macro/i-rqLhJd2/0/3347x2231/DSC_0373-3347x2231.jpg
2015-05-28T14:21:55 < ReadError> 100$ = $9 china module + PIC18F
2015-05-28T14:22:29 < dongs> god that silk
2015-05-28T14:22:32 < dongs> garbage chinapcb
2015-05-28T14:22:33 < Laurenceb__> you need stm32 for i2c
2015-05-28T14:22:44 < Laurenceb__> its probably less buggy than rpi :P
2015-05-28T14:22:59 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ pfffft
2015-05-28T14:23:02 < Laurenceb__> but thats not saying much
2015-05-28T14:23:46 < ReadError> my try with stdperiph + I2C was a huge failure
2015-05-28T14:23:51 < Laurenceb__> lol no shit
2015-05-28T14:24:02 < Laurenceb__> i spent ages writing i2c driver for F1
2015-05-28T14:24:13 < ReadError> why cant they just make the shit work out of the box
2015-05-28T14:24:15 < Laurenceb__> aiui chibios has half useable i2c drivers
2015-05-28T14:24:23 < Laurenceb__> but they dont do what i wanted
2015-05-28T14:24:26 < ReadError> or is there anyway it actually can work?
2015-05-28T14:24:29 < Laurenceb__> neither does my driver... properly
2015-05-28T14:24:31 < ReadError> I tried everything
2015-05-28T14:24:52 < ReadError> the bus always stayed in the not ready state
2015-05-28T14:25:00 < Laurenceb__> i wanted to define a transaction using a standard format, with pointers to in and out buffers
2015-05-28T14:25:02 < ReadError> or something, forget
2015-05-28T14:25:10 < Laurenceb__> then let it run with a callback function pointer
2015-05-28T14:25:18 < Laurenceb__> and maybe a transaction queue
2015-05-28T14:25:35 < Laurenceb__> i dont see why everyone doesnt make i2c drivers that work like that
2015-05-28T14:26:47 < Laurenceb__> my f1 attempt is here https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/i2c_int.c
2015-05-28T14:26:52 < Laurenceb__> needs more abstraction
2015-05-28T14:27:12 < ReadError> whats the complication w/ the stdperiph one though?
2015-05-28T14:27:15 < dongs> i've seen that code before
2015-05-28T14:27:19 < ReadError> i cant imagine they would release it and it not work
2015-05-28T14:27:21 < Laurenceb__> like lines 296-299 thats mega lame
2015-05-28T14:27:22 < dongs> it didnt get any prettier
2015-05-28T14:27:41 < Laurenceb__> ReadError: the hardware is buggy
2015-05-28T14:27:43 < Laurenceb__> for a start
2015-05-28T14:32:39 < Laurenceb__> this actually looks semi decent
2015-05-28T14:32:41 < Laurenceb__> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/group___i2_c.html
2015-05-28T14:32:56 < Laurenceb__> with a dedicated wrapper thread it could actually be good
2015-05-28T14:33:09 < ReadError> yea chibios looked nice
2015-05-28T14:33:48 < Laurenceb__> dunno if it will work on f1, the hardware is buggy
2015-05-28T14:34:01 < jpa-> stdperiph is always huge failure
2015-05-28T14:34:14 < Laurenceb__> I have f1 work projects that are CE tested :-/
2015-05-28T14:34:20 < Laurenceb__> have to stick with them
2015-05-28T14:34:23 < jpa-> chibios works quite nice on F1 i2c also, though it has the "no 1 byte reads" limitation IIRC
2015-05-28T14:34:31 < Laurenceb__> ok
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2015-05-28T15:06:42 < englishman> <ReadError> i cant imagine they would release it and it not work
2015-05-28T15:06:51 < englishman> and yet here we are stuck with timecube
2015-05-28T15:07:53 < ReadError> well it would be nice if they had documents on all that HAL shit
2015-05-28T15:08:10 < ReadError> i couldnt find dick a long time ago when i looked
2015-05-28T15:14:09 < Laurenceb__> lots of dicks on irc
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2015-05-28T17:13:46 < jpa-> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1999114877/the-sleep-sensei   $40 red flashing light to help you fall a sleep
2015-05-28T17:16:24 < Fleck> yeah, I can make this in 5mins :D
2015-05-28T17:16:47 < jpa-> i wonder if just focusing on breathing slower doesn't accomplish the same
2015-05-28T17:18:04 < BrainDamage> or a plastic bag
2015-05-28T17:19:23 < Laurenceb__> or take a shower
2015-05-28T17:19:48 < Laurenceb__> in the shower block
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2015-05-28T17:28:01 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plugaway/plugaway-your-smart-home-on-your-smart-phone/posts/1149647
2015-05-28T17:28:04 < dongs> nice
2015-05-28T17:30:19 < BrainDamage> 2nd comment is the best
2015-05-28T17:33:09 < dongs> looks like they opensoresed the shit
2015-05-28T17:33:25 < dongs> downloading and getting ready to laguh
2015-05-28T17:34:15 < dongs> brd?????????
2015-05-28T17:35:34 < Fleck> laguh, laguh
2015-05-28T17:36:44 < dongs> atmega128..
2015-05-28T17:37:36 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PCF8563.pdf lolwut
2015-05-28T17:39:33 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-05-28T17:39:44 < dongs> http://www.marvell.com/wireless/assets/8686.pdf
2015-05-28T17:39:45 < dongs> haha
2015-05-28T17:39:48 < Laurenceb__> failmega has a xtal2 or wtf its called
2015-05-28T17:39:49 < dongs> they rolled their own wifi thing
2015-05-28T17:40:19 < dongs> no wonder tehy failed certs
2015-05-28T17:40:21 < Laurenceb__> wait they have firmware for that?
2015-05-28T17:40:56 < dongs> duno i downloaded al lther shit
2015-05-28T17:40:57 < Laurenceb__> or they stole it?
2015-05-28T17:40:58 < dongs> gonna look at now
2015-05-28T17:41:00 < dongs> 350megs of shit
2015-05-28T17:41:12 < Laurenceb__> cant see them doing it with their perman00b level
2015-05-28T17:41:51 < aandrew> heh what
2015-05-28T17:42:03 < aandrew> they wanted $50k, got $162k and pulled the plug?
2015-05-28T17:42:23 < Laurenceb__> currently enjoying cock and hookers
2015-05-28T17:43:07 < Laurenceb__> wait
2015-05-28T17:43:18 < Laurenceb__> they cant write real time clock for atmega
2015-05-28T17:43:27 < Laurenceb__> but they think they can write wifi stack...
2015-05-28T17:43:27 < aandrew> dongs: where's this repo?
2015-05-28T17:43:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plugaway/plugaway-your-smart-home-on-your-smart-phone/posts/1156658
2015-05-28T17:43:42 < dongs> they link to cockbox
2015-05-28T17:43:49 < Laurenceb__> shit makes no sense
2015-05-28T17:43:50 < aandrew> why aren't they using an esp8266 and be done with it?
2015-05-28T17:44:13 < Laurenceb__> hmm that makes me think
2015-05-28T17:44:20 < dongs> aandrew: tgat was 2 years ago
2015-05-28T17:44:23 < dongs> but evne back then there were modules
2015-05-28T17:44:31 < ReadError> dongs have you planned your kickstarter exit strategy yet?
2015-05-28T17:44:31 < Laurenceb__> you could make esp8266 clone with that marvell thing
2015-05-28T17:44:44 < ReadError> pantie machine addiction
2015-05-28T17:44:47 < ReadError> panty
2015-05-28T17:44:49 < ReadError> be creative
2015-05-28T17:44:58 < dongs> so ReadError
2015-05-28T17:45:00 < dongs> ive been driving and thinking
2015-05-28T17:45:03 < Laurenceb__> buy all the used panties in jappyland
2015-05-28T17:45:05 < dongs> chinks actually made sense for once
2015-05-28T17:45:15 < dongs> using 7816 or wahtever as video receiver +sync + bluescreen
2015-05-28T17:45:19 < dongs> and then generating osd with F4.
2015-05-28T17:45:34 < ReadError> ya, can generate even in lack of source signal
2015-05-28T17:45:40 < dongs> you get ntsc/pal shit for free
2015-05-28T17:45:44 < dongs> you get status of video
2015-05-28T17:45:46 < dongs> etc.
2015-05-28T17:45:49 < ReadError> plus like you said, im guessing they have a dickload of surplus
2015-05-28T17:45:53 < ReadError> for dirt cheap
2015-05-28T17:45:56 < ReadError> w/ the clones
2015-05-28T17:46:19 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dh-vision.com/main/specsheets/CVI/DH-HCVR7816S.pdf
2015-05-28T17:46:21 < Laurenceb__> heavy
2015-05-28T17:46:25 < ReadError> 30$ aint bad either
2015-05-28T17:46:35 < ReadError> ordered to see whats good
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2015-05-28T17:48:48 < aandrew> man there are no clearances on that board at all
2015-05-28T17:49:16 < dongs> which, that australian failplug?
2015-05-28T17:49:19 < aandrew> yeah
2015-05-28T17:51:16 < dongs> fucking all outsourced to china
2015-05-28T17:51:18 < dongs> thus faiuled
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2015-05-28T18:00:26 < dongs> You have not shared anything... where is the source code. and more importantly where is the firmware code for the chips that go inside the plugaway? Please post this up.
2015-05-28T18:00:29 < dongs> lol
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2015-05-28T18:02:05 < dongs> In conclusion, you had absolutely no idea what you were doing when it came to designing products housed lethal voltages, that quickly became apparent after you started throwing away money trying to get this hopeless design certified.
2015-05-28T18:02:09 < dongs> laf
2015-05-28T18:03:06 < aandrew> yeah there is no source in there
2015-05-28T18:03:14 < aandrew> those schematics look like they were done in mspaint too
2015-05-28T18:03:23 < dongs> apparentlyt its allegro
2015-05-28T18:03:25 < dongs> or orcad
2015-05-28T18:03:27 < aandrew> no way
2015-05-28T18:03:29 < dongs> they just couldnt figure out how to print that shit
2015-05-28T18:03:30 < dongs> yes
2015-05-28T18:03:32 < aandrew> *maybe* diptrace
2015-05-28T18:03:33 < dongs> the .brd shit is allegro
2015-05-28T18:03:42 < dongs> thats not how dicktrace schematics look
2015-05-28T18:03:46 < dongs> the led shit is in altidong
2015-05-28T18:03:50 < dongs> theres some .pcbdocs
2015-05-28T18:03:50 < aandrew> there is no way in hell any real EDA would emit schematics that heinous
2015-05-28T18:04:13 < dongs> lols you can make some nasty shit in altium
2015-05-28T18:04:21 < dongs> just turn off 90 degree traces
2015-05-28T18:04:31 < aandrew> yes but the symbols and pdf output aren't alitum for sure
2015-05-28T18:04:34 < aandrew> speaking of altium
2015-05-28T18:04:39 < aandrew> *just* finished routing this: http://imgur.com/a/5fFhx
2015-05-28T18:04:50 < aandrew> excuse the lack of antialias, not sure what's going on
2015-05-28T18:05:07 < dongs> blaming lunix
2015-05-28T18:05:28 < dongs> cool minipciex bro
2015-05-28T18:05:29 < dongs> wat is it
2015-05-28T18:05:43 < aandrew> access point for avionics
2015-05-28T18:06:03 < aandrew> dual mpcie, 3x gige, takes i.mx6 board for brains and mpcie for wifi/cell
2015-05-28T18:06:11 < dongs> ah
2015-05-28T18:06:23 < aandrew> which explains the use of HD44 for gige and I/O :-/
2015-05-28T18:06:34 < aandrew> it was either that or a bigass mil-spec circular connector
2015-05-28T18:06:58 < dongs> are those 3 row
2015-05-28T18:07:00 < dongs> like DB25
2015-05-28T18:07:02 < dongs> but worse
2015-05-28T18:07:42 < aandrew> yes HD44
2015-05-28T18:07:48 < aandrew> is same shell size as DB25
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2015-05-28T18:34:17 < _Sync_> aandrew: accesspoint for avionics sounds yolo
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2015-05-28T18:34:43 < aandrew> it's meant for rich people in their private planes
2015-05-28T18:34:48 < aandrew> nothing I'd ever get to use :-)
2015-05-28T18:36:15 < _Sync_> so they can sit in the back and watch the glass cockpit on their appolz devices or what?
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2015-05-28T18:50:44 < aandrew> _Sync_: well they'd have cell or iridium/inmarsat links
2015-05-28T18:50:49 < aandrew> hence the "rich people" part
2015-05-28T18:53:19 < _Sync_> ah
2015-05-28T18:53:21 < _Sync_> well okay
2015-05-28T18:53:39 < _Sync_> but iridium is not insanely overpriced
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2015-05-28T18:54:08 < aandrew> it's out of my budget :-)
2015-05-28T18:55:16 < dongs> i would imagine routing that should be enough profit to get you a lifetime iridium sub
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2015-05-28T18:56:21 < aandrew> lol
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2015-05-28T18:57:25 < _Sync_> well I have an iridium phone for $reasons
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2015-05-28T19:00:16 < _Sync_> it's not terribly expensive to run
2015-05-28T19:01:25 < karlp> bye bye broadcom...
2015-05-28T19:02:14 < dongs> wat happen
2015-05-28T19:02:28 < dongs> haha avago??
2015-05-28T19:02:29 < dongs> LOL
2015-05-28T19:02:53 < Laurenceb__> 37billion wtf
2015-05-28T19:04:49 < karlp> heh, actually, it's bye bye avago, new name will be broadcom for the combined entity
2015-05-28T19:05:42 < _Sync_> wat
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2015-05-28T19:29:21 < upgrdman> anyone have a preferred IDE for 8051 assembly? i've used Keil for 8051 asm before, but that's all i ever tried.
2015-05-28T19:29:32 < dongs> keil has 8051.
2015-05-28T19:29:38 < dongs> i used that shit doing FX2 stuff.
2015-05-28T19:31:48 < _Sync_> > 8051
2015-05-28T19:31:54 < _Sync_> > not assembling by hand
2015-05-28T19:32:10 < upgrdman> _Sync_, ya ya i know. neither 8051 nor asm were my choice.
2015-05-28T19:32:22 < upgrdman> boss was like "what to try fixing some shit?"
2015-05-28T19:32:47 < _Sync_> well, 8051 is not too bad
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2015-05-28T19:45:49 < upgrdman> FML. the .asm is 17000 lines of code.
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2015-05-28T20:18:23 < Laurenceb__> lol  http://tvrain.ru/teleshow/here_and_now/video_napadenija_na_zhurnalistov_na_kladbische_pod_pskovom-374596/?video
2015-05-28T20:20:17 < Laurenceb__> driving fail
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2015-05-28T20:22:16 < karlp> website fail, video won't load
2015-05-28T20:31:33 < Steffanx> loads perfectly
2015-05-28T20:33:52 < Steffanx> but it's not worth it.
2015-05-28T20:34:00 < Steffanx> waste of bytes
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2015-05-28T21:48:49 < _Sync_> hmm, I'm trying to do input capture on TIM2 on an F3, I set the CC1P and CC1NP bits to 1, I'd expect it to throw an interrupt on both edges
2015-05-28T21:48:59 < _Sync_> but so far I only get an int on the rising edge
2015-05-28T21:57:01 < _Sync_> ok, wat
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2015-05-28T22:09:12 < Getty> seriously, why someone thought making BASCOM is a good idea?
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2015-05-28T22:21:20 < Steffanx> just pretend it doesnt exist Getty
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2015-05-28T22:30:14 < Getty> Steffanx: I can't
2015-05-28T22:32:25 < Steffanx> yes you can \o/
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2015-05-28T22:37:28 < Getty> my dad is doing his atmega programming with bascom, and he checks his own hardware designs of course
2015-05-28T22:37:37 < Getty> which means i get the device and sample bascom code
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2015-05-28T22:38:52 < Steffanx> fire your dad
2015-05-28T22:42:17 < Getty> hey, he does it since forever, i cant blame him
2015-05-28T22:43:13 < Steffanx> sure you can
2015-05-28T22:43:23 < Getty> for what? making his electronics work?! :)
2015-05-28T22:43:28 < Steffanx> for using bascom
2015-05-28T22:43:41 < Getty> he is actually technology leader in his area...... if someone would care about the technology leader in that area
2015-05-28T22:43:44 < Steffanx> <Getty> seriously, why someone thought using BASCOM is a good idea?
2015-05-28T22:44:19 < Getty> Steffanx: yeah, he is not good with picking that stuff, i am just trying to understand the ROOT why someone thought making this would be good
2015-05-28T22:44:27 < Getty> and then there must be more thinking its good to spread it and so on
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2015-05-28T23:04:34 < Laurenceb_> i used to use BASCOM
2015-05-28T23:04:40 < Laurenceb_> i have a license for it somewhere
2015-05-28T23:05:00 < _Sync_> it works™
2015-05-28T23:05:11 < trepidaciousMBR2> Hm, got some APA102 LEDs, I'm nearly certain I'm driving them right but they manage to do some weird stuff
2015-05-28T23:05:39 < _Sync_> wtf, could it be that the timer peripheral does not like me updating the prescaler with around 500Hz
2015-05-28T23:05:56 < _Sync_> it only updates when I stop the cpu with the debugger and then go again
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2015-05-28T23:07:00 < _Sync_> I mean I could chain two timers, but that is the lame way
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2015-05-28T23:17:17 < _Sync_> wat. I'm generating an update event after I update the prescaler but nothing is happening
2015-05-28T23:37:53 < trepidaciousMBR2> Anyone know how I enable FPU on ChibiOS 2.6.8?
2015-05-28T23:39:36 < ambro718> I made a fully-asinc SD-card/SDIO driver for STM32, would anyone be so kind and take a look please :)   https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-sdio/aprinter/devices/SdioSdCard.h https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/stm-sdio/aprinter/system/Stm32f4Sdio.h
2015-05-28T23:39:43 < ambro718> * fully-async
2015-05-28T23:40:14 < ambro718> first link is the hardware-independend SD card driver, second link is the low-level driver for STM32
2015-05-28T23:41:57 < ambro718> these hardware interfaces are so complicated you never can be sure you've gotten it right..
2015-05-28T23:43:08 < specing> AMBRO_ASSERT
2015-05-28T23:43:23 < ambro718> you don't like asserions, or my egoism? ;)
2015-05-28T23:43:59 < specing> I like it how you took extra time to make sure it actually blows up in your face
2015-05-28T23:44:40 < ambro718> as assertions should :)
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2015-05-28T23:54:11 < ambro718> god I'm bored of coding, I think my next project is to make a program to do my coding for me :D
2015-05-28T23:54:41 < ambro718> anyone with me? It's time to make those coders obsolete.
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2015-05-28T23:58:25 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ah cool, got my LEDs going, I think I had the wrong byte order somehow
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2015-05-29T00:01:24 < ambro718> driving LEDs seems so be a common thing around here
2015-05-29T00:04:22 < _Sync_> wtshit
2015-05-29T00:05:27 < ambro718> what?
2015-05-29T00:07:27 < _Sync_> raging
2015-05-29T00:17:17 < _Sync_> tim1 is not generating update events
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2015-05-29T00:26:05 < ambro718> what
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2015-05-29T00:26:25 < _Sync_> yeah I don't get it either
2015-05-29T00:29:38 < ambro718> are you sure you don't have UDIS in TIMx_CR1 set
2015-05-29T00:30:33 < _Sync_> let me see
2015-05-29T00:30:39 < _Sync_> not that I know of
2015-05-29T00:31:42 < _Sync_> CEN and APRE are set
2015-05-29T00:32:14 < ambro718> so what's happening, is the counter running and wrapping around?
2015-05-29T00:32:25 < ambro718> what do you want, an interrupt on the update event or what?
2015-05-29T00:33:47 < ambro718> if you want an interrupt you should enable it in TIMx_DIER.UIE
2015-05-29T00:33:47 < _Sync_> I want to change the prescaler while the timer is running
2015-05-29T00:33:56 < _Sync_> which I can do, but it does not update the prescaler
2015-05-29T00:35:07 < ambro718> the docs say that PSC is loaded at each update event
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2015-05-29T00:36:05 < _Sync_> yes I know
2015-05-29T00:36:09 < _Sync_> that's why I'm confused
2015-05-29T00:37:50 < ambro718> so you counter overflows but the new prescaler is not applied?
2015-05-29T00:37:59 < _Sync_> yup
2015-05-29T00:38:37 < _Sync_> and I don't see an update interrupt
2015-05-29T00:38:47 < ambro718> you have UIE set?
2015-05-29T00:38:56 < ambro718> and NVIC enabled etc?
2015-05-29T00:39:11 < _Sync_> UIE is set, NVIC also, other interrupts work
2015-05-29T00:39:38 < ambro718> sure you named your IRQ handler right?
2015-05-29T00:40:14 < _Sync_> let me check
2015-05-29T00:40:29 < ambro718> it's easy to mess it out by misspelling it
2015-05-29T00:41:10 < zyp> you poor C guys
2015-05-29T00:41:12 < zyp> :p
2015-05-29T00:42:03 < ambro718> for 407 it should be TIM1_UP_TIM10_IRQHandler it seems
2015-05-29T00:44:18 < _Sync_> it should be right
2015-05-29T00:44:43 < ambro718> can you just show us your code
2015-05-29T00:49:33 < _Sync_> sure
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2015-05-29T00:52:45 < _Sync_> hmm
2015-05-29T00:52:46 < _Sync_> wait
2015-05-29T00:52:54 < _Sync_> let me verify something first
2015-05-29T01:01:55 < _Sync_> hmm, now I get the interrupt but it still does not update the prescaler
2015-05-29T01:02:11 < _Sync_> I rebuilt everything, whatever fucked up there
2015-05-29T01:04:55 < upgrdman> sometime a press of the power button on my nexus 4 acts like a double press (e.g. turns off screen then turns it back on). is this common? guessing lint around the push button contacts?
2015-05-29T01:08:08 < _Sync_> hmm, I'm looking at the CC2IF interrupt now, and that seems to fire very often (~2MHz) when the timer itself only generates a signal with 200Hz or so
2015-05-29T01:08:30 < _Sync_> (I'm generating some pwm with the compare unit in timer1)
2015-05-29T01:08:39 < _Sync_> I'd expect CC2IF to fire when it reaches the compare value
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2015-05-29T01:15:51 < _Sync_> but thanks so far ambro718
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2015-05-29T01:38:32 < _Sync_> hm
2015-05-29T01:38:44 < _Sync_> it sometimes works as intended, at least the compare interrupt
2015-05-29T01:38:56 < _Sync_> but sometimes the output of the timer just stays high
2015-05-29T01:38:57 < _Sync_> wtf.
2015-05-29T01:51:14 < _Sync_> oh okay
2015-05-29T01:51:26 < _Sync_> it works now, but I have to generate an update event myself
2015-05-29T01:51:41 < _Sync_> which makes sense I guess if the prescaler is getting lower than before
2015-05-29T01:51:50 < _Sync_> so it cannot reach the compare max anymore
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2015-05-29T02:42:27 < dongs> http://prod.cloud.rockstargames.com/ugc/gta5photo/3242/SSZFgxaYE0G12PAygdSNJw/0_0.jpg
2015-05-29T02:48:33 < dongs> attn zyp http://imgur.com/a/6NDNs
2015-05-29T02:55:36 < _Sync_> wtf
2015-05-29T02:55:41 < _Sync_> what does the package say?
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2015-05-29T03:13:19 < GargantuaSauce> looks delish
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2015-05-29T04:39:59 < dongs> wut
2015-05-29T04:40:32 < dongs> hackermouse
2015-05-29T04:40:48 < dongs> try mousing across your balls and see if it detects it
2015-05-29T04:41:23 < dongs> you get to find out
2015-05-29T04:41:41 < dongs> are there any 10A+ SMT PTC fuses
2015-05-29T04:41:52 < dongs> all i see is those thorugh-0hole ones
2015-05-29T04:41:59 < dongs> that are with offset pins in yellow ceramic package
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2015-05-29T04:57:56 < dongs> ur through holes
2015-05-29T05:06:50 < dongs> what hte fuck
2015-05-29T05:06:56 < dongs> usa paypal accounts don't have 10k per transaction limit??
2015-05-29T05:10:47 < dongs> damn laser printers are AMAZE
2015-05-29T05:10:52 < dongs> i shoulda got one ages ago
2015-05-29T05:11:40 < englishman> what are you inscribing dicks into today
2015-05-29T05:11:41 < englishman> ?
2015-05-29T05:11:54 < englishman> oh printer
2015-05-29T05:12:10 < englishman> wat who even prints on paper IN 2015
2015-05-29T05:12:11 < dongs> yeah printer heh
2015-05-29T05:12:20 < dongs> dude, i even got a fax last week.
2015-05-29T05:12:26 < englishman> must be japan
2015-05-29T05:12:31 < dongs> its kinda awesome actually, it was onlyt like $45 and it has a monochrome LCD where I can pREVIEW THE FAX
2015-05-29T05:12:34 < emeb_mac> F030 driving WS2812 -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_Qp-5we98
2015-05-29T05:12:35 < dongs> before printing it
2015-05-29T05:12:43 < englishman> when i worked at carshop there was a company that wanted us to fax our info
2015-05-29T05:12:47 < englishman> we told them no, you lose sale
2015-05-29T05:13:08 < englishman> they allowed us to send our info via email. this ONE time.
2015-05-29T05:13:59 < MrMobius> wait, hold on is the Cube utility totally fucking useless?
2015-05-29T05:14:06 < dongs> 100%
2015-05-29T05:14:25 < MrMobius> oh ok
2015-05-29T05:14:39 < MrMobius> i thought maybe there was a different reason you cant do any of the steps that ST tells you too
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2015-05-29T05:18:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NT9d5SR.jpg
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2015-05-29T06:19:33 < ReadError> whats dongulating
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2015-05-29T06:51:37 < upgrdman> hi
2015-05-29T06:52:09 < upgrdman> oh, i feel so special now.
2015-05-29T06:52:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/MIIPlnY.gifv
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2015-05-29T07:12:39 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/9s31eLw.gifv
2015-05-29T07:12:47 < upgrdman> nice kickstarter  http://i.imgur.com/HLnkEFC.jpg
2015-05-29T07:38:52 < dongs> wat
2015-05-29T07:39:00 < dongs> cad?
2015-05-29T07:39:37 < dongs> oih wat the fuck
2015-05-29T07:40:26 < dongs> i thought it was some troll trash until i noticed it was on official cadence channel
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2015-05-29T08:02:00 < dongs> http://lifehacker.com/5657721/what-is-toasted-skin-syndrome
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2015-05-29T12:59:09 < dongs> http://www.textie.co/
2015-05-29T13:00:54 < dongs> http://www.channypicture.com/pic/UploadFile/P0/SKU191661/3CC6CF665666439A995DD203CE2656D2C6933B99CAD226369A23D23C9CC9561683569E9D63CE36039EA0CB.jpg
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2015-05-29T13:03:58 < BrainDamage> i get that the components are placed like shit, it's dip, etc, but why is there a capacitor in the bnc socket?
2015-05-29T13:05:12 < _Sync_> because why not
2015-05-29T13:05:16 < dongs> that
2015-05-29T13:06:59 < dongs> hm panasonic has 19% efficient 244W solar panels
2015-05-29T13:08:39 < karlp> love that cadence indago video :)
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2015-05-29T13:51:16 < _Sync_> dongs: get sunpower
2015-05-29T13:51:38 < _Sync_> the panasonic tech is 3/8 maybe
2015-05-29T13:53:02 < dongs> i see 22% efficinet shitty cells, where are like 200W+ modules?
2015-05-29T14:01:56 < _Sync_> the X21-345 modules
2015-05-29T14:05:19 < _Sync_> the fuck
2015-05-29T14:05:33 < _Sync_> ported the code to some F4 and now the timer is jittering around as fuck
2015-05-29T14:22:06 < dongs> running off intrc
2015-05-29T14:22:26 < _Sync_> nope
2015-05-29T14:22:48 < dongs> Sunpower solar panels are only available for purchase with installation by authorized dealers. They are NOT sold separately.
2015-05-29T14:22:57 < dongs> scam
2015-05-29T14:23:01 < _Sync_> dealers will sell them
2015-05-29T14:23:09 < _Sync_> but it is not a scam
2015-05-29T14:23:29 < _Sync_> the thing is that people will bitch about the cells being shitty when they broke them due to fucked installing
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2015-05-29T14:33:15 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/29/hyperloop_travel_dangerous_machines_and_virtual_skydiving_yes_its_pioneers_festival/?page=2
2015-05-29T14:33:27 < Laurenceb__>  If Graphene is so great, why had she not brought any prototypes? “I came with Ryanair and you know what it is like,” she said.
2015-05-29T14:33:30 < Laurenceb__> lolright
2015-05-29T14:35:30 < _Sync_> haha that's cool
2015-05-29T14:41:54 < zyp> haha, ryanair
2015-05-29T14:43:37 < dongs> bedtime
2015-05-29T14:44:44 < zyp> this early?
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2015-05-29T15:03:10 < trepidaciousMBR2> Goddamn monty hall problem
2015-05-29T15:03:13 < trepidaciousMBR2> I hate that thing
2015-05-29T15:04:51 < BrainDamage> mr bayes would like to have a word with you
2015-05-29T15:09:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> BrainDamage: Bayesian logic is just magic! Smoke and mirrors!
2015-05-29T15:14:03 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: another two brain teasers:  1) You pick two cards from a deck. Is "suits are the same" independent or dependent of "numbers are the same"?
2015-05-29T15:16:54 < jpa-> 2) You pick two cards from a deck. What is the probability that the second one is a queen?
2015-05-29T15:22:45 < trepidaciousMBR2> hrrrgggh :(
2015-05-29T15:23:42 < Laurenceb__> any matlab users here?
2015-05-29T15:23:54 < Laurenceb__> strings_fore=strsplit(strings_fore_,"\n"){1:end-1}
2015-05-29T15:24:02 < Laurenceb__> strings_fore_ contains lots of \n, but i only get up to the first \n returned as a string
2015-05-29T15:24:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ok so I have some answers based on psychology rather than stats - 1) Dependent, because I can't think of any reason they would be dependent, 2) Definitely not 1/13, because I really think it should be 1/13
2015-05-29T15:24:57 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ah sorry on 1 it's not that hard, you cnam't be the same suit and number
2015-05-29T15:25:38 < trepidaciousMBR2> if number includes A, J, Q K, otherwise I'm not sure how to interpret
2015-05-29T15:25:59 < jpa-> sure it includes, and correct on 1 :)
2015-05-29T15:26:19 < jpa-> for 2), "not 1/13" is a bit wide range, don't you think? :)
2015-05-29T15:26:25 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: :)
2015-05-29T15:32:05 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: On 2) I really feel like it's 1/13 unless there is some unstated thing that the first one isn't a queen, or some other reason that the first card matters
2015-05-29T15:32:28 < jpa-> it is indeed 1/13 :)
2015-05-29T15:32:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ah good :)
2015-05-29T15:33:15 < trepidaciousMBR2> I even worked out 1/13 * 3/51 + 12/13 * 4/51 to check it was 1/13 ;)
2015-05-29T15:33:21 < jpa-> yeah :)
2015-05-29T15:33:59 < trepidaciousMBR2> I still think Monty Hall can take his damn goat and [Expletive Deleted]
2015-05-29T15:35:11 < jpa-> but behind which door will he [do that]
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2015-05-29T15:37:55 < trepidaciousMBR2> Heh :)
2015-05-29T15:48:12 < ReadError> damn wheres dongs
2015-05-29T15:48:13 < ReadError> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/29/sleep-makes-you-less-racist-daily-mail-article_n_7467208.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
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2015-05-29T15:54:53 < Laurenceb__> sleeping
2015-05-29T15:54:57 < Laurenceb__> lol epic irony
2015-05-29T15:55:19 < Laurenceb__> research disproven :D
2015-05-29T16:19:43 < PeterM> if you are asleep for a few hours, it is less likely you will be shouting nigger during those hours
2015-05-29T16:29:51 < Laurenceb__> NIGGER
2015-05-29T16:30:21 < Laurenceb__> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274518/
2015-05-29T16:30:46 < PeterM> how did i know that is what that was going to be
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2015-05-29T16:52:39 < Laurenceb__> can anyone help me understand file permissions in linux?
2015-05-29T16:52:46 < Laurenceb__> i have two users
2015-05-29T16:53:11 < Laurenceb__> i want user 1 to search user 2 files
2015-05-29T16:53:25 < Laurenceb__> but i can only see some of their files, very confusing
2015-05-29T16:53:57 < ReadError> group?
2015-05-29T16:54:33 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-05-29T16:54:36 < Laurenceb__> ill try ls -l
2015-05-29T16:55:31 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-05-29T16:55:32 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/10213714
2015-05-29T16:55:47 < Laurenceb__> i can see one but not the other
2015-05-29T16:57:03 < Laurenceb__> shit makes no sense
2015-05-29T17:00:54 < ReadError> that output isnt very useful
2015-05-29T17:02:42 < Laurenceb__> ah its related to globing
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2015-05-29T17:04:43 < mtbg> what does "seeing" files mean in unix?
2015-05-29T17:06:00 < Laurenceb__> they appear in ls
2015-05-29T17:06:06 < Laurenceb__> i dunno lol
2015-05-29T17:06:26 < mtbg> you can have permission to list a directory
2015-05-29T17:06:57 < mtbg> and that permission is not "inherited" in any way from top level directories when it is checked
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2015-05-29T17:28:51 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-05-29T17:29:01 < Laurenceb__> fixed it with a nasty script
2015-05-29T17:29:05 < Laurenceb__> http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/05/29/130211/crowdfunded-solar-powered-spacecraft-goes-silent
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2015-05-29T17:34:54 < mtbg> lol
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2015-05-29T18:33:00 < Laurenceb__> "come to the post-graduate jobs fair"
2015-05-29T18:33:05 < Laurenceb__> attendees...:
2015-05-29T18:33:19 < Laurenceb__> 10. Enterprise Rent a Car
2015-05-29T18:33:31 < Laurenceb__> 33. Games Workshop
2015-05-29T18:33:53 < Laurenceb__> 16. Unnamed employer
2015-05-29T18:34:14 < Laurenceb__> this looks exciting and relevant
2015-05-29T18:34:35 < Laurenceb__> 22. Aldi
2015-05-29T18:34:37 < Laurenceb__> pmsl
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2015-05-29T20:34:21 < Austin___> Anyone using libopencm3 with em::blocks? i cant understand how to set-up the environment so that i can start including some libopencm3 headers
2015-05-29T20:41:15 < superbia> gcccp
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2015-05-29T22:13:05 < rkreis> LPTIM1 on stm32l052 sure doesn't run from Vcore, does it?
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2015-05-29T22:14:58 < jpa-> what does it matter?
2015-05-29T22:16:49 < jpa-> considering that table 39 in datasheet shows as LPTIM current depending on Vcore, i would say that it does run from it
2015-05-29T22:18:38 < jpa-> though that is probably mostly due to the bus interface, hard to say whether there is also non-Vcore parts because i can't see what visible effect that would have
2015-05-29T22:26:31 < Abhishek_> jpa-: I took some traces of the offending circuit
2015-05-29T22:26:37 < Abhishek_> jpa-: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7U2bJEjkNeZWW04dERRVHkyWmM/view?usp=sharing
2015-05-29T22:27:05 < Abhishek_> (in reference to the LCD expansion board we were discussing a couple days before)
2015-05-29T22:28:24 < rkreis> jpa-, that's pretty much the point, i suspect that my Vdd drops while i'm calibrating the LPTIM
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2015-05-30T01:09:44 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2015/05/29/otherworldy-cad-software-hails-from-a-parallel-universe/
2015-05-30T01:10:03 < Laurenceb_> Well three hours in and I am abandoning it after installing over 1GB of data onto my hard disk and solving error after error trying to get it going
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2015-05-30T02:30:44 < Getty> wow.... i bought an andoer android hdmi stick and it has a small wifi stick on it, which you can like rotate, nothing more, but if you dont rotate it away from the device, then the wifi is unusable
2015-05-30T02:31:18 < Getty> if you rotate it crosswise to the device its all super
2015-05-30T02:33:08 < BrainDamage> congrats of discovering antenna radiation patterns
2015-05-30T02:33:50 < BrainDamage> lambda /4 antennas have a null in the radiation pattern in the axis of the rod
2015-05-30T02:33:52 < Getty> i never had it so directly, i mean, its clear, but i never had anything this intense with wifi, probably based on the devices i had before on that
2015-05-30T02:34:32 < BrainDamage> http://www.antenna-theory.com/antennas/disturbedMonopole.jpg
2015-05-30T02:34:46 < BrainDamage> assuming the antenna lies in the z axis
2015-05-30T02:35:28 < Getty> then it is best? (assuming x/y is the board of the device)
2015-05-30T02:36:28 < BrainDamage> yes, assuming the router's approximately level with the board
2015-05-30T02:36:44 < BrainDamage> and has similar antennas, oriented vertically
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2015-05-30T02:40:08 < Laurenceb_> this is interesting
2015-05-30T02:40:10 < Laurenceb_> http://filebin.ca/23RqWSC1LeEa/Vibration_freq_gain_new.eps
2015-05-30T02:40:34 < Laurenceb_> mechanical vibration gain for baby transport in incubators
2015-05-30T02:41:36 < Laurenceb_> mattresses suck big time
2015-05-30T02:42:13 < Laurenceb_> or should i say shake
2015-05-30T02:44:34 < Laurenceb_> clearly maglev mattress is required
2015-05-30T02:45:43 < Laurenceb_> now i could work out how to do a pole zero analysis for the structure...
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2015-05-30T02:47:38 < BrainDamage> write differential eq, linearize, laplace transform, or, more realistically, write diff eq, throw to math software, read result
2015-05-30T02:47:46 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-05-30T02:48:12 < Laurenceb_> it seems to match theory fairly well
2015-05-30T02:48:42 < Laurenceb_> peak at resonant frequency, 0dB at ~0Hz
2015-05-30T02:51:14 < Laurenceb_> now time to email to everyone on the authors list, and listen to the raging about trivial presentation points
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2015-05-30T02:55:07 < Laurenceb_> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7481843&cid=49800471
2015-05-30T02:57:59 < _Sync_> lel wat Laurenceb_
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2015-05-30T03:08:53 < dongs> suppppppppppp
2015-05-30T03:10:14 < _Sync_> trolling
2015-05-30T03:29:27 < dongs> _Sync_: looks like that sunpower shit is either 20 or 21% eff, better than panasonic stuff
2015-05-30T03:29:30 < dongs> probably cheaper, too
2015-05-30T04:17:18 < dongs> mm
2015-05-30T04:17:22 < dongs> teardrops in 15.1 are much improved
2015-05-30T04:17:30 < dongs> it doesnt make a board full of drc errors anymore
2015-05-30T04:17:38 < dongs> after you teardrop
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2015-05-30T04:37:03 < zyp> wow, actual improvement
2015-05-30T04:37:22 < zyp> I thought new versions only came with useless features
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2015-05-30T04:49:03 < dongs> haha
2015-05-30T04:49:19 < dongs> it was usually easy to fix but still
2015-05-30T04:50:24 < dongs> .1.9 crashea a lot tho , fuck
2015-05-30T04:50:28 < dongs> its probly my pc being trash too
2015-05-30T04:50:49 < dongs> An error occured in the STEP library
2015-05-30T04:50:49 < dongs> [EOSError]:System Error.  Code: 109.
2015-05-30T04:50:49 < dongs> The pipe has been ended
2015-05-30T04:50:49 < dongs> further errors will appear in the messages panel
2015-05-30T04:50:51 < dongs> uhhhh
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2015-05-30T05:35:56 < emeb_mac> dongsplosion in .jp
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2015-05-30T05:37:13 < _Sync_> yes I know dongs, which is why I said get sunpower
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2015-05-30T07:03:01 < PeterM> Argueably the best thing to come out of kickstarter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg
2015-05-30T07:05:48 < dongs> totally
2015-05-30T07:05:56 < dongs> wow 5 mil views not bad
2015-05-30T07:06:07 < dongs> lol @ 2k dislikes
2015-05-30T07:06:08 < dongs> faggotz
2015-05-30T07:06:50 < PeterM> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vbKdvoxVkE0/hqdefault.jpg
2015-05-30T07:10:09 < dongs> yeah ive seen it
2015-05-30T07:10:10 < dongs> was great
2015-05-30T07:14:50 < PeterM> how long until the JAV parody of it?
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2015-05-30T07:36:39 < ReadError> dongs i posted this yesterday but you where asleep already
2015-05-30T07:36:42 < ReadError> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/29/sleep-makes-you-less-racist-daily-mail-article_n_7467208.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
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2015-05-30T09:12:52 < upgrdman> yo
2015-05-30T09:13:04 < ReadError> whats dongulating
2015-05-30T09:15:25 < upgrdman> im quite pleased with the 21:9 monitor i got at work. super tempted to buy a nice one for home.
2015-05-30T09:15:45 < upgrdman> samsung even has a concave one
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2015-05-30T10:41:37 < PeterM> R2COM, was she about to explode out of her clothing for you?
2015-05-30T10:41:57 < upgrdman> she replaced her IUD with an IED
2015-05-30T10:43:47 < PeterM> improvied explosive dildos
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2015-05-30T11:21:43 < dongs> upgrdman loves the 2048x800 resolution
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2015-05-30T11:26:06 < upgrdman> iirc it something x 1200
2015-05-30T11:27:20 < upgrdman> o nm
2015-05-30T11:27:31 < upgrdman> 2560 x 1080
2015-05-30T11:29:41 < dongs> garbage
2015-05-30T11:30:19 < upgrdman> well they weren't going to buy me a 4k monitor
2015-05-30T11:30:34 < dongs> yes because that 21:9 wasn't $400
2015-05-30T11:31:04 < upgrdman> ya
2015-05-30T11:31:09 < upgrdman> it was 200
2015-05-30T11:31:20 < dongs> awful.
2015-05-30T11:31:27 < ReadError> whats a 300$ difference tho?
2015-05-30T11:31:29 < ReadError> for a company
2015-05-30T11:31:33 < upgrdman> well i wasn't going to chip in my own money
2015-05-30T11:31:56 < upgrdman> ReadError, im the new guy. i dont have enough cred to demand shit
2015-05-30T11:32:27 < upgrdman> and they wanted to be cheap to computing since "we end up buying new pcs and monitors every few years anyway" ... *rolls eyes*
2015-05-30T11:32:57 < ReadError> 4k = 8294400 pixels, 21:9 = 2764800 pixels
2015-05-30T11:33:05 < ReadError> so you can be over 3 times more productive
2015-05-30T11:33:48 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbENuOGtrSGxQUnc/view?usp=sharing should I have jumper for _TRST or how to use this
2015-05-30T11:34:10 < kakimir> I think I wont use boundary scan but
2015-05-30T11:34:11 < dongs> what fucktarded PDF viewer is traht
2015-05-30T11:34:13 < dongs> oh its lunix hahahah
2015-05-30T11:34:14 < kakimir> best
2015-05-30T11:34:21 < kakimir> lunix tears
2015-05-30T11:34:47 < kakimir> tux cries evil dongs mocking lunix
2015-05-30T11:34:56 < ReadError> showed her how to whip it, she my trap queen
2015-05-30T11:35:04 < ReadError> kakimir keepin it gangsta
2015-05-30T11:35:21 < upgrdman> wow, KDE. havn't seen that in years.
2015-05-30T11:35:36 < kakimir> 4.x actually works atm.
2015-05-30T11:36:39 < dongs> kakimir: this works for me http://i.imgur.com/rTzg2HR.png
2015-05-30T11:37:22 < kakimir> ok leave trst unconnected
2015-05-30T11:38:54 < kakimir> but if I wanted to utilize boundary scan
2015-05-30T11:39:23 < kakimir> which I don't
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2015-05-30T11:44:45 < PaulFertser> trst is not needed for boundary scan. But if the target doesn't have a pull up there, it needs to be pulled externally.
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2015-05-30T12:02:51 < kakimir> dones
2015-05-30T12:03:09 < kakimir> still doesn't understand anything that dataset said
2015-05-30T12:03:20 < kakimir> *sheet
2015-05-30T12:04:28 < kakimir> does those pins reset and trst have somewhat universal operation?
2015-05-30T12:05:24 < kakimir> in cortex mcus
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2015-05-30T12:21:50 < PaulFertser> kakimir: yes, trst is jtag state machine reset in all jtag-compliant devices. The "normal reset" is usually connected in a vendor-specific way to internal cortex-m core reset. Both active low.
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2015-05-30T12:38:44 < ambro718> I see that HAL_DMA_Abort waits for DMA to finish. Can someone say what exactly this entails, and how long it can take (for SDIO)?
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2015-05-30T13:00:04 < jpa-> ambro718: probably means waiting for the current transfer unit to complete; typically 1 word, though maybe in burst mode the whole burst
2015-05-30T13:00:42 < ambro718> ok, so generally it's supposed to be fast?
2015-05-30T13:00:44 < jpa-> it will take as long as the receiving peripheral takes, plus some 1-3 clock cycles for ack & stuff
2015-05-30T13:01:07 < jpa-> if transferring to FSMC and external device blocks NWAIT, it may take forever :P
2015-05-30T13:01:11 < ReadError> dongs https://instagram.com/p/3RFqTjsL42/?taken-by=50cent
2015-05-30T13:02:23 < ambro718> is there any chance it takes forever for an SD card (eg if card is removed at just the right time)?
2015-05-30T13:03:06 < ambro718> if I first do SDIO->DCTR = 0;
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2015-05-30T13:14:14 < PeterM> ReadError, i see yellowtapebox = 50 went full china
2015-05-30T13:14:25 < ReadError> lol\
2015-05-30T13:14:45 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA15sVL_ZRk
2015-05-30T13:14:51 < ReadError> seen how they do it? pro
2015-05-30T13:16:10 < PeterM> its pretty neat - makes it soemwhat waterproof, and  means the cardboard won't tear, just bend all ugly
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2015-05-30T13:48:02 < trepidaciousMBR2> I've never had a box entirely wrapped in yellow tape, and I'm jealous
2015-05-30T13:50:51 < PeterM> trepidaciousMBR2, it means they dont care about you
2015-05-30T13:51:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> :(
2015-05-30T13:51:39 < trepidaciousMBR2> If I was going to do that all day, I'd get a wider tape thingy
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2015-05-30T14:22:32 < dongs> shit
2015-05-30T14:22:43 < dongs> my desktop has been crashing because one of the ram sticks is shitting itself
2015-05-30T14:22:46 < dongs> way2go
2015-05-30T14:22:50 < dongs> fucking gamer garbage
2015-05-30T14:22:56 < dongs> never buying anything called "ballistix" ever again
2015-05-30T14:23:54 < Fleck> must be wincrap!
2015-05-30T14:24:00 < Fleck> blaming wincrap...
2015-05-30T14:25:07 < PeterM> R UR RUTARTED?
2015-05-30T14:25:28 < PeterM> BALLISDICKS
2015-05-30T14:25:40 < dongs> now i need to figure out how to return this trash
2015-05-30T14:27:11 < superbia> memtest
2015-05-30T14:27:29 < superbia> and why would anyone need 32GB of ram to run altidong and keil
2015-05-30T14:28:50 < PeterM> because chrome takes 48gb
2015-05-30T14:29:04 < PeterM> how can  you troll efficiently with only 32?
2015-05-30T14:33:17 < dongs> well shit
2015-05-30T14:43:26 < ReadError> ballistix is decent
2015-05-30T14:43:40 < ReadError> crucial
2015-05-30T14:44:39 < dongs> nope
2015-05-30T14:44:41 < dongs> clearly isnt
2015-05-30T14:44:43 < dongs> if that shit failed
2015-05-30T14:44:50 < dongs> gamer trash
2015-05-30T14:45:06 < dongs> i applied for RMA, they can fucking die
2015-05-30T14:48:51 < specing> as someone with 16 GB in ballistix ddr3, its your shitdoze that is the problem
2015-05-30T14:49:01 < dongs> ya bro
2015-05-30T14:49:13 < dongs> thats why a clean new install also was shitting itself right????????????????
2015-05-30T14:49:18 < dongs> and windows memory test failed
2015-05-30T14:49:38 < specing> shitdoze be shit on every install
2015-05-30T14:50:00 < dongs> lunix doesnt even use below 1gb so youll never see those bit errors in your shit
2015-05-30T14:50:06 < dongs> err below=above
2015-05-30T14:50:36 < specing> my 10GB/s ramdisks disagree
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2015-05-30T15:02:37 < Tectu> How's Zano?
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2015-05-30T15:18:24 < dongs> still ot lying
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2015-05-30T15:23:25 < dongs> damn still no dicktrace update since july 2014
2015-05-30T15:23:28 < dongs> i guess they must be dead
2015-05-30T15:23:40 < dongs> killed by ukranian terrorissts
2015-05-30T15:25:55 < specing> lol
2015-05-30T15:26:42 < Bezoka> ot?
2015-05-30T15:26:46 < dongs> ot?
2015-05-30T15:27:26 < Bezoka> "still ot lying"
2015-05-30T15:27:30 < dongs> errr
2015-05-30T15:27:33 < dongs> still not flying
2015-05-30T15:27:36 < dongs> sorry, failing to type hard.
2015-05-30T15:27:50 < specing> dongs's fingers be all micro&soft
2015-05-30T15:28:35 < superbia> not only his fingers..
2015-05-30T15:28:50 < Bezoka> where are yu from dongs?
2015-05-30T15:29:06 < Bezoka> you*
2015-05-30T15:29:18 < specing> dongs lives on one microsoft way, Redmond, California
2015-05-30T15:29:20 < superbia> izrael i think
2015-05-30T15:29:54 < specing> superbia: buuuuurn :)
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2015-05-30T15:31:51 < Bezoka> I have stm32f401 nucleo since January/December and still didnt nothing with it
2015-05-30T15:32:31 < specing> I have a stm32f072 disco since early may and still haven't found any Ada examples for it
2015-05-30T15:33:09 < Bezoka> is better c or c++ for stm32f4?
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2015-05-30T15:33:37 < akaWolf> Bezoka: depends at goals, not board
2015-05-30T15:34:00 < specing> Bezoka: Ada or SPARK
2015-05-30T15:34:29 < specing> C and C++ belong into a museum
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2015-05-30T15:35:02 < superbia> .net
2015-05-30T15:35:02 < Bezoka> specing: why not c/c++ :O?
2015-05-30T15:35:07 < Bezoka> java
2015-05-30T15:35:25 < Fleck> :D
2015-05-30T15:35:25 < akaWolf> haskell, yeah
2015-05-30T15:35:53 < akaWolf> Bezoka: dont listen, all real development is going in c/c++
2015-05-30T15:36:24 < Bezoka> akaWolf: I know
2015-05-30T15:36:32 < specing> Bezoka: because they are very bad languages
2015-05-30T15:36:47 < rkreis> ada is actually on my list of "have to try that someday"
2015-05-30T15:36:52 < specing> wrt. undefined behaviour, implicit stuff, ...
2015-05-30T15:38:49 < Bezoka> I will make vacuum robot with 2 atmegas and one stm32f103
2015-05-30T15:38:57 < Bezoka> is hard to start in stm32?
2015-05-30T15:39:07 < ReadError> why would you do that?
2015-05-30T15:39:08 < Bezoka> If I know atmegas?
2015-05-30T15:39:55 < Bezoka> ReadError: one atmega for motor, one for sensors, stm for communication beetwen them and PC
2015-05-30T15:40:33 < Bezoka> Yea, I know that will work with one atmega only :D
2015-05-30T15:40:56 < rkreis> just dump all the atmega...
2015-05-30T15:41:11 < superbia> send all the atmegas to me
2015-05-30T15:41:48 < Tectu> dongs, go KiCAD, updates every x hours
2015-05-30T15:43:01 < Bezoka> rkeis: why?
2015-05-30T15:43:22 < Bezoka> rkreis*
2015-05-30T15:49:03 < dongs> http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/ lol japan
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2015-05-30T15:52:13 < rkreis> Bezoka, the stm32f103 can likely do all that on its own
2015-05-30T15:53:31 < ambro718> I don't understand, what's the difference between SDIO_CLKCR.CLKEN and SDIO_POWER? Both say something about controling the clock.
2015-05-30T15:58:43 < karlp> dongs, your swd layout is lame, doesn't include SWO
2015-05-30T15:58:48 < karlp> re: http://i.imgur.com/rTzg2HR.png
2015-05-30T15:58:50 < dongs> karlp: it was for lpc
2015-05-30T15:59:01 < dongs> so teh care level was minimal
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2015-05-30T16:06:52 < Bezoka> I have to start learning using stm32
2015-05-30T16:07:16 < Bezoka> and then make vacuum rotob on them
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2015-05-30T17:40:45 < karlp> hrm, the things you learn when you have the logic analyser out
2015-05-30T17:40:56 < karlp> my delay_ms(1) isn't doing a delay at all.
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2015-05-30T17:41:26 < emeb> hopefully it isn't going back in time
2015-05-30T17:42:21 < zyp> heh
2015-05-30T17:42:23 < zyp> :)
2015-05-30T17:43:09 < emeb> "It's just a sign error"
2015-05-30T17:44:09 < karlp> well, I was doign a a dleay_ms(1) because it was "enough" more than delay_us(192) that the radio asks for, only ends up doing 63usecs, but seems to be enough
2015-05-30T17:44:43 < karlp> yeah, this failing version is actually using a signed tick counter, so I guess I'm just super dumb. it works in enough other cases that I'm going to do the ostrich trick on it righ tnow though
2015-05-30T17:44:44 < emeb> how could it be so far off?
2015-05-30T17:45:09 < zyp> 1ms ticks, just delaying until the next tick
2015-05-30T17:45:23 < emeb> ah yes. low res.
2015-05-30T17:45:42 < emeb> it's 1ms *max*
2015-05-30T17:45:46 < zyp> I tend to do sleep(2) to avoid that
2015-05-30T17:46:04 < zyp> unless it happens right after another sleep
2015-05-30T17:46:18 < karlp> well, the "right" way would have been a oneshot timer periph or something I guess :)
2015-05-30T17:46:57 < emeb> zyp's cyclesleep code would avoid that because the resolution is in processor cycles, not ms
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2015-05-30T17:51:48 < karlp> hrm, delay_ms(1) does the right thing later, must be just around 0 when it first boots up.
2015-05-30T17:53:22 < jpa-> at work some power saving hack caused all freertos delays to be too short; i fixed it and now they are all too long
2015-05-30T17:53:43 < emeb> yay?
2015-05-30T17:53:48 < zyp> «fixed»
2015-05-30T17:54:21 < jpa-> well the bug report "Delays are too short" was certainly fixed!
2015-05-30T17:54:31 < jpa-> i do have one "Delays are too long" at the end of the queue now
2015-05-30T17:58:38 < emeb> Latest stupid application for STM32F030 -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/lightshow/index.html
2015-05-30T18:00:15 < zyp> heh
2015-05-30T18:00:39 < jpa-> i was halfway writing a message defending the maker of that :P
2015-05-30T18:00:46 < emeb> hrhr
2015-05-30T18:00:55 < jpa-> "you shouldn't bash him, it's a bit basic but a good thing it's not arduino" ;)
2015-05-30T18:01:05 < emeb> +1000
2015-05-30T18:01:43 < emeb> well, I did write the ws28xx code myself.
2015-05-30T18:02:10 < emeb> still need to do the IR receiver tho.
2015-05-30T18:02:57 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/led-controller/sw/src/remote.c   steal mine ;)
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2015-05-30T18:11:50 < emeb> kewl
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2015-05-30T18:21:14 < emeb> the remote I have uses the NEC protocol - 32bits, constant "off" spacing, data determined by "on" pulse width
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2015-05-30T18:37:40 < emeb> looks like it's the same one you used.
2015-05-30T18:38:58 < zyp> I believe pretty much all remotes do
2015-05-30T18:39:36 < emeb> maybe. when I was researching a few weeks ago it seems there are three or four different ones.
2015-05-30T18:40:04 < emeb> ST has an app note on doing IR that talks about two protocols, neither of which is the NEC one.
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2015-05-30T18:51:59 < Laurenceb_> emeb: i thought you might know the answer to this
2015-05-30T18:52:07 < Laurenceb_> i have a two time series records
2015-05-30T18:52:13 < Laurenceb_> they are bandpass filtered
2015-05-30T18:52:29 < Laurenceb_> i want to know the effective gain from one series to another
2015-05-30T18:52:41 < Laurenceb_> but i suspect the process inbetween might be slightly nonlinear
2015-05-30T18:53:25 < Laurenceb_> origonally I calculated the rms of both series, but that seemed to be prone to getting influenced by nonlinearity and bursts of noise in one series
2015-05-30T18:53:46 < Laurenceb_> then i tried mean of the instantaneous dB scaling... bad idea
2015-05-30T18:53:58 < Laurenceb_> got any idea for how to do this robustly?
2015-05-30T18:54:25 < Laurenceb_> correlation isnt quite what i want
2015-05-30T18:54:36 < Laurenceb_> or maybe it is...
2015-05-30T18:56:07 < emeb> I'd start with correlation
2015-05-30T18:56:17 < emeb> look for the best time-alignment between the two
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2015-05-30T18:56:56 < emeb> then find the relative amplitude by averaging the sample-by-sample gain difference.
2015-05-30T18:59:40 < Laurenceb_> yeah i tried that
2015-05-30T18:59:57 < Laurenceb_> its biased by occasional instances where one signal is ~zero
2015-05-30T19:00:02 < Laurenceb_> so you get ~infinity
2015-05-30T19:00:13 < emeb> so throw those out?
2015-05-30T19:00:17 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-05-30T19:00:28 < Laurenceb_> im not sure thats very accurate
2015-05-30T19:00:36 < Laurenceb_> maybe the size of the correlation peak?
2015-05-30T19:01:06 < emeb> doubt it
2015-05-30T19:01:19 < Laurenceb_> sqrt ( correlation peak value / mean square input channel value )  ?
2015-05-30T19:01:30 < Laurenceb_> erm
2015-05-30T19:01:36 < Laurenceb_> sqrt ( correlation peak value.^2 / mean square input channel value )  ?
2015-05-30T19:01:57 < emeb> you want the ratio - correlation peak is the product
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2015-05-30T19:02:28 < Laurenceb_> thats why i divided by mean square input channel value
2015-05-30T19:02:29 < emeb> so unless you know absolutely the gain of one signal, the peak doesn't help
2015-05-30T19:03:04 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-05-30T19:03:20 < Laurenceb_> im going to try this and see if it produces sensible values
2015-05-30T19:03:21 < emeb> and that's also likely to be corrupted by the nonlinearities
2015-05-30T19:03:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah :-S
2015-05-30T19:03:35 < emeb> so you need a way to identify those and discard them
2015-05-30T19:03:59 < Laurenceb_> well thats easy to test for - i can see wobbles on the graphs that shouldnt be there is nonlinearities are present
2015-05-30T19:04:38 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to calculate the mechanical vibration transfer function of a patient transport trolley in the back of an ambulance
2015-05-30T19:05:04 < Laurenceb_> so ive got MEMS IMU signals processed into frequency bands
2015-05-30T19:05:11 < emeb> still that project! It's been going on for years.
2015-05-30T19:07:08 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2015-05-30T19:07:17 < Laurenceb_> since 2011
2015-05-30T19:07:26 < Laurenceb_> gain_z=sqrt(((thisdataz.*thischassisz).^2)./(thischassisz.*thischassisz))
2015-05-30T19:07:36 < Laurenceb_> this may take some time...
2015-05-30T19:07:59 < Laurenceb_> ill "just" try it on 1000 hours of data
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2015-05-30T19:17:29 < Laurenceb_> today I had an idea for a new screenguard idea
2015-05-30T19:17:43 < Laurenceb_> laptop screen displays goatse for 4 out of 5 frames
2015-05-30T19:18:00 < Laurenceb_> then hacked active shutter glasses only turn on for the 5th frame
2015-05-30T19:18:18 < Laurenceb_> so you can use the screen, but anyone else gets goatsied
2015-05-30T19:18:58 < BrainDamage> 12 fps, much fluid, wow
2015-05-30T19:20:29 < Laurenceb_> this needs to be on hackaday
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2015-05-30T20:03:33 < Laurenceb_> ooh the muricans are interested
2015-05-30T20:03:35 < Laurenceb_> https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01851668
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2015-05-30T20:34:02 < Bezoka> which of rtos is free and good for homemade projects?
2015-05-30T20:42:58 < Laurenceb_> chibios
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2015-05-30T20:47:34 < Bezoka> Laurenceb: thanks
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2015-05-30T20:51:28 < karlp> freertos, coos, nuttx,
2015-05-30T20:52:28 < Fleck> I would ask - which supports most addon-chips/modules/shields :D
2015-05-30T21:01:33 < Bezoka> which is easier to learn? :D
2015-05-30T21:01:49 < jpa-> i like chibios the best :)
2015-05-30T21:02:02 < jpa-> while having used all except coos
2015-05-30T21:02:52 < jpa-> Fleck: pretty much no rtos has such support, it's more reasonable to have it separate from the core operating system
2015-05-30T21:03:29 < Fleck> 100% agree!
2015-05-30T21:04:56 < Fleck> and I didn't mean - support in core... but rather online, available, etc
2015-05-30T21:05:22 < jpa-> yah, though that is hard to judge :P
2015-05-30T21:06:02 < jpa-> because even if there is code for the rtos driving chip X, it may not work on your processor Y
2015-05-30T21:06:30 < jpa-> as the HALs i have seen are no where near fully portable
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2015-05-30T21:12:48 < akaWolf> jpa-: in real life there is no ideal things
2015-05-30T21:12:56 < akaWolf> :)
2015-05-30T21:13:18 < jpa-> or even good things ;)
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2015-05-30T21:28:04 < Taxman> has one already used ugfx with STM32F4 LTDC?
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2015-05-31T01:02:15 < varesa> I just started learning chibios, but this enc28j60 ethernet chip does not want to behave.. http://imgur.com/a/Nlk32
2015-05-31T01:02:50 < varesa> I don't think there is supposed to be a burst like that. Also it is supposed to output a clock on CLKOUT but I'm not getting anything
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2015-05-31T01:12:29 < superbia> good luck
2015-05-31T01:13:54 < Fleck> yeah, so much info :)
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2015-05-31T02:13:50 < emeb> jpa-: hey - ganked some of your IR code into my own stuff. Starting to work!
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2015-05-31T04:08:42 < zyp> karlp, I don't think I agree with what you're getting at in your latest blag
2015-05-31T04:09:40 < zyp> at least not if you're saying «bugs in the compiler shouldn't be fixed when it breaks code relying on it»
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2015-05-31T04:37:18 < karlp> I think I'm really saying is, "hey, shit can happen, this is why you could/shoudl version your tools"
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2015-05-31T04:38:41 < karlp> at least that one is easy to fix, just throw const at it.
2015-05-31T04:39:11 < karlp> man, atmega128rfa1 can't do 115200 baud on 16mhz crystal.
2015-05-31T04:42:35 < zyp> heh
2015-05-31T04:42:42 < zyp> no fractional rate generator?
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2015-05-31T04:49:59 < emeb_mac> not even within 5% error?
2015-05-31T04:50:52 < karlp> don't know, my usb ttl dongle just showed garbage,
2015-05-31T04:50:58 < karlp> 57600 worked ok.
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2015-05-31T06:27:35 < dongs> sup innovators
2015-05-31T06:27:42 < dongs> redoing double sided 4L board into single sided
2015-05-31T06:27:43 < dongs> much work
2015-05-31T06:30:35 < PeterM> zyp karlp http://xkcd.com/1172/
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2015-05-31T06:34:39 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/fNUidnK.jpg
2015-05-31T07:20:44 < dongs> is that some 4k gaming action
2015-05-31T07:36:28 < upgrdman> >_>  http://i.imgur.com/tZj8hVn.png
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2015-05-31T13:20:13 < karlp> PeterM: heh, I wasn't askign for an option to keep the old behaviour at least :)
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2015-05-31T13:39:45 < Bezoka> http://pastebin.com/5aNA91mF
2015-05-31T13:39:49 < Bezoka> can it work?
2015-05-31T13:43:10 < jpa-> why not?
2015-05-31T13:44:03 < Bezoka> I am newbie :D dont know if it is correct :)
2015-05-31T13:45:30 < zyp> correct in what sense? setting a pin high over and over in a loop doesn't do much useful
2015-05-31T13:46:02 < Bezoka> I forgot about loop
2015-05-31T13:46:41 < Bezoka> without loop, the pin 0 in A will be high?
2015-05-31T13:47:46 < Bezoka> without loop, but still with: GPIO_WriteBit(GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_9, GPIO_PIN_SET);
2015-05-31T13:47:56 < zyp> sure
2015-05-31T13:48:04 < Bezoka> okay, thanks a lot
2015-05-31T13:48:15 < Bezoka> I wait for it since december
2015-05-31T13:48:26 < dongs> if you want to see some actual result, you mgiht wannt use GPIO_ToggleBit or wahtever.
2015-05-31T13:48:26 < Bezoka> I was scared about arms :D
2015-05-31T13:48:29 < dongs> if there is one.
2015-05-31T13:48:34 < dongs> or else your shit will just do nothing ALL DAY
2015-05-31T13:49:11 < Bezoka> dongs: know it, it is my first program
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2015-05-31T14:11:57 < PeterM> damnit i used to have a website that had a spreadsheet of LiPos from hobbyking that could be sorted by WH/$ but i can t find it
2015-05-31T14:11:59 < PeterM> anyone know if it?
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2015-05-31T14:21:23 < ReadError> ABLomas did
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2015-05-31T14:34:34 < ABLomas> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fbO0LaXmjocl8VbpoWWMYfbtZLF3NfaziFf9IM9LTh8/edit#gid=0
2015-05-31T14:34:41 < ABLomas> sortable if you are logged in
2015-05-31T14:34:44 < ABLomas> and eh
2015-05-31T14:34:49 < ABLomas> not updated for some time...
2015-05-31T14:46:00 < PeterM> ABLomas i used to scrape http://www.rcdetails.info/search?type=2646 untiol they started using pagination
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2015-05-31T14:51:41 < PeterM> and it would give something liket his https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B00IH2bvUnCcTnQzWktMVlNBRzQ/view?usp=sharing
2015-05-31T14:52:40 < dongs> pssh
2015-05-31T14:52:45 < dongs> cant you lunix-automate pagination
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2015-05-31T14:54:04 < dongs> good job
2015-05-31T14:54:05 < Laurenceb> tzyTRrG2CvUimE88IUec/ODmg7a4ieMPbMGG/GcdRWt9a/UxybPSADnmh9DVjoqV7Ov1MhhfIycYoa3VzdCS6bOR6R7UOtwy3Ijj2mDJDbl5z+aLW2f6gSMSUxnmlrsOcFBaCJPMVAN/pOcCoAmFIr2WmkJU+gdMVlnSQ7cH0jqDUleQFdbFUEqeKxHKY7ZmgbaM80Y2OmBj3IzUJgRkYB8Ankba4A1aQSQNvlxkcD5oNWePChiT1FR3kKCRChO0dT2Nb2t8b1wqxeXIhwGI4Irhih/wCibT4pC8jTHn2pkCenSl9kJEvXMnB6fGKMVm82QNgj+k1KFZO9Gt1kxxsi5ZTzivW28NlxtOCcmpxFwd7896zNEJ0XLdOMA4NSCrA1umgkbzMkP0IrDXYvZmWOPzdv9Zqa5gEkarjYy
2015-05-31T14:54:07 < dongs> dillweed
2015-05-31T14:54:12 < Laurenceb> 9M0lnaeFJ7axlVnQZbC4zXFnFD0M9hmPlhti9SKN04xSRukLcRtyPmhbOOS5gieZNknlAYB70RYW/0kU5kYAsckiiQMtaDtxRvQcEdqwx3xYPeo7fypJCyh/L25Pq70UFBXnp2qV2VmqBo9OEvTGRzmpfW+IZAHx0z0qVCQwySiAElxz/tQ9rqNteozxEkodpduP9qljVHVogvEmtA+1lUEdKCFxFZW0P1Fz5jyn0jrtpk7tN5nlFPOXqWXI/tVeW3W6SaWZf3RxnoM/A7UJdglKIu8WhL3UvD2kIWk+puzPIR/pUZFXLSp5Lu7mzuWIg5z7iqpolv/AIj46jfBP+F2Pl5zxuPU/wBqv
2015-05-31T14:54:17 < Laurenceb> oops
2015-05-31T14:54:23 < PeterM> nice.
2015-05-31T14:54:55 < PeterM> dongs i could probably make some shitty script, but why do it when seomeone else could have already done it for you?
2015-05-31T14:55:11 < dongs> you could do it, make it public, then accept donations
2015-05-31T14:55:16 < specing> so lets see what Laurenceb pasted
2015-05-31T14:55:21 < dongs> the internet way of life
2015-05-31T14:55:42 < PeterM> that sounds too much like a personal health issue
2015-05-31T14:55:45 < PeterM> like open sores
2015-05-31T14:56:16 < dongs> PeterM: have you noticed push and shove / hug around objects actually worsk properly in15.1
2015-05-31T14:56:47 < PeterM> itis tighter, yes
2015-05-31T14:57:01 < dongs> ok its not just me being stoned then
2015-05-31T14:57:10 < dongs> cuz i t sems to work way better
2015-05-31T14:57:55 < PeterM> yeah, i noticed and checked if i had fucked with my settings but they seemed the same
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2015-05-31T15:09:44 < dongs> wtf
2015-05-31T15:11:53 < karlp> so, has someone pasted up laurences goof yet?
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2015-05-31T15:14:26 < dongs> probably cp, not touching it
2015-05-31T15:16:29 < BrainDamage> why does laurenceb's base64 data has + and / in it
2015-05-31T15:16:56 < BrainDamage> ah nvm, it's a valid symbol
2015-05-31T15:16:59 < BrainDamage> my goof
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2015-05-31T15:17:47 < karlp> hrm, I couldn't get it to work.
2015-05-31T15:19:09 < BrainDamage> it's probably truncated by freenode flood policies
2015-05-31T15:20:00 < dongs> it wasnt complete
2015-05-31T15:20:25 < dongs> you can simply copy all the liens and paste into chrome url bar
2015-05-31T15:20:32 < dongs> if it was complete shit would load.
2015-05-31T15:20:39 < karlp> yar.
2015-05-31T15:20:47 < karlp> laurence, fix your mistakes, make them properly :)
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2015-05-31T15:23:01 < dongs> wtf is point of xsignals
2015-05-31T15:23:05 < dongs> just more accurate length amtching?
2015-05-31T15:23:18 < dongs> i thought it was going to tell me my 1gbps pairs were routed like crap
2015-05-31T15:23:21 < dongs> AUTOMATICALLY
2015-05-31T15:23:57 < dongs> (i dont really need xsignals to tell me this)
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2015-05-31T15:26:43 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/Y4yRfdj.gifv holy shit I lol'd
2015-05-31T15:26:48 < jpa-> though you could probably decode the partial jpeg also
2015-05-31T15:29:12 < jpa-> http://www.dz-box.com/archive/index.php/t-19570.html   full images are here
2015-05-31T15:29:16 < jpa-> spoiler: it's not worth it
2015-05-31T15:29:38 < dongs> haha
2015-05-31T15:29:51 < dongs> Laurenceb = confirmed terrorist
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2015-05-31T16:12:20 < dongs> hm
2015-05-31T16:12:24 < dongs> CP2102 is in windows update now.
2015-05-31T16:12:31 < dongs> my clean win 8.1 install automatically loaded it.
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2015-05-31T16:28:17 < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://cumshoteditor.com/
2015-05-31T16:35:16 < specing> lol
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2015-05-31T17:21:12 < dongs> guise i found the most amazing cleancode
2015-05-31T17:21:13 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/aY9CZX85.html
2015-05-31T17:37:04 < emeb> awesome
2015-05-31T17:37:21 < dongs> the #define goes all teh way to 47 bits
2015-05-31T17:37:25 < dongs> its fuckign amazing
2015-05-31T17:37:38 < emeb> it's a fucking joke
2015-05-31T17:38:08 < dongs> https://github.com/BoschSensortec/BMP280_driver/blob/master/bmp280.h#L441
2015-05-31T17:38:10 < dongs> wish i was joking
2015-05-31T17:39:00 < emeb> Attention Bosch Sensor Tech - ur doin it rong
2015-05-31T17:39:58 < emeb> needs #defines for every ASCII character. Then assemble code only from predefined macros
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2015-05-31T18:26:32 < Laurenceb> your all just a bunch of quantified selves
2015-05-31T18:27:43 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/RsrA0av.jpg
2015-05-31T18:37:45 < _Sync_> de fuk dongs
2015-05-31T18:42:52 < dongs> _Sync_: dont look at me, blame germans
2015-05-31T18:44:13 < _Sync_> I should call them up and yell at them
2015-05-31T18:47:06 < Laurenceb> The Proof Is In The Pudding
2015-05-31T18:48:43 < Laurenceb> wait its real
2015-05-31T18:48:45 < Laurenceb> WTF
2015-05-31T18:51:51 < dongs> ur pudding
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2015-05-31T18:57:17 < Austin___> Is there anything to be careful of using C++ for STM32 devices?
2015-05-31T18:57:56 < dongs> you could start with a non-garbage compiler
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2015-05-31T18:59:38 < _Sync_> so don't use keil
2015-05-31T18:59:53 < dongs> ur so funny
2015-05-31T18:59:59 < Austin___> I'm using GCC with em::blocks
2015-05-31T19:22:13 < yan_> is anyone using ST-LINK2 with cortex debug connectors?
2015-05-31T19:22:41 < dongs> well, i suppose I could be
2015-05-31T19:22:43 < dongs> whats the question?
2015-05-31T19:23:11 < yan_> just wondering how you're making a jlink->dbg connector cables, or if you're using existing ones
2015-05-31T19:23:25 < yan_> or if you're using a different programmer altogether
2015-05-31T19:23:48 < dongs> my standard connector on all boards is cortex debug with 0.05" pitch 2x10
2015-05-31T19:23:57 < dongs> i made a cable from that to standard 20pin arm-jtag
2015-05-31T19:24:00 < dongs> and all other stuff plugs into that.
2015-05-31T19:24:06 < dongs> jlink or ulink or any othre debugger.
2015-05-31T19:24:34 < yan_> dongs: did you just match the pinout, or is there anything more complex in creating that?
2015-05-31T19:25:16 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2015-05-31T19:25:19 < dongs> all the info is here
2015-05-31T19:25:30 < dongs> just need 3 pins for swd (clk/io/swo), gnd and vcc-target
2015-05-31T19:25:36 < dongs> you can ignore other stuff.
2015-05-31T19:25:56 < dongs> top of page 2 = whats on my boards, page 3 = wahts on the other end of cable
2015-05-31T19:28:30 < yan_> dongs: do you remember the part number for the female cdc side?
2015-05-31T19:28:50 < dongs> you mean fine pitch connector?
2015-05-31T19:28:52 < yan_> yeah
2015-05-31T19:29:02 < yan_> the fine pitch 2x5
2015-05-31T19:29:05 < dongs> i think they're at the end of that pdf
2015-05-31T19:29:07 < dongs> its samtec ftsh
2015-05-31T19:29:08 < dongs> or clones
2015-05-31T19:29:17 < yan_> dongs: that's the male side
2015-05-31T19:29:56 < yan_> and i got a half dozen of the ftsh ones, but i think i'm going to go with TH clones instead.. the pad size is unusually large for them
2015-05-31T19:30:04 < dongs> http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=6591
2015-05-31T19:30:12 < dongs> this for cable
2015-05-31T19:31:18 < yan_> dongs: heh this looks like a completed cable: http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=4650&osCsid=h6fuc5gf19ra7mdq5tm5lnr5n7
2015-05-31T19:31:24 < Laurenceb> this is extremely cool
2015-05-31T19:31:25 < Laurenceb> https://hackaday.io/project/5596-em-drive/log/18618-teststand-babyemdrive-ready
2015-05-31T19:31:46 < dongs> yep, that works. i had free pcbs i could submit so i made my own
2015-05-31T19:31:51 < dongs> if you dont have time, its definitely the way to go.
2015-05-31T19:34:22 < yan_> dongs: is st-link still the most inexpensive way to debug stm32s?
2015-05-31T19:35:07 < dongs> depends if you want freetard stuff or not
2015-05-31T19:35:24 < yan_> so take it as a yes then :P just want solid openocd support
2015-05-31T19:35:29 < dongs> i'm still with jlink-edu but  i'll use whatever stdick is on boards of -disco boards if i have to
2015-05-31T19:36:01 < yan_> yeah was considering using a stm32l152-discovery board but kinda want a standalone programmer
2015-05-31T19:36:04 < yan_> esp if it's $20
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2015-05-31T20:33:29 < dongs> http://bit.ly/1HDnVIa
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