--- Log opened Mon Jun 01 00:00:24 2015
2015-06-01T00:14:09 < Getty> dongs: that sounds like as if the minecraft people actually had a plan or direction or anything at all ;)
2015-06-01T00:15:14 < Getty> i am really disappointed with the power of my andoer stick, like double the power of a raspberry and double the ram but still feels a bit crappy just by UI
2015-06-01T00:15:34 < Getty> is it cause the stick sucks or is it cause android sucks?
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2015-06-01T00:20:23 < Lux> def android
2015-06-01T00:21:02 < Lux> have any of you guys played with those infineon xmc ?
2015-06-01T00:21:09 < Getty> i must say, the kodi on the amazon stick runs a bit better, but might be that they tune the android a bit better, andoer probably doesnt hvae the resources todo so
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2015-06-01T00:22:14 < Lux> i'd go for openelec on a pi2 or better hardware
2015-06-01T00:22:18 < Getty> in the end its really so that if you want a serious media station you must get a serious computer, doesnt need a gamer gfx card but at least a real computer
2015-06-01T00:22:19 < Lux> so far that just worked
2015-06-01T00:22:45 < Getty> i am also alternative (mostly) using my i7 laptop for the big screen, and even there i have sometimes reasons to complain
2015-06-01T00:22:47 < Getty> ;)
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2015-06-01T00:49:31 < englishman> yan_: you can buy a $10 China jlink clone and do minor hax to get a free several hundred dollar dongle. No idea if it works with useless opensores rebugging tools
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2015-06-01T02:44:22 < karlp> englishman: yan_ I've got a 8-9$ jlinkv8 clone from aliexpress, works great, jtag+swd mode, swo.
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2015-06-01T02:58:11 < dongs> Getty: cuz assdroid is garbage
2015-06-01T03:00:28 < karlp> dongs: nice lego tweets :)
2015-06-01T03:00:47 < englishman> Yes that was fun to read
2015-06-01T03:01:16 < dongs> thank you, always on the lookout for dongs
2015-06-01T03:02:02 < Getty> so i should try to get linux on that stick? ;)
2015-06-01T03:02:19 < dongs> no you should just thorw it away
2015-06-01T03:02:30 < dongs> since your purpose for it seems to be "playing media'
2015-06-01T03:02:34 < dongs> something lunix particularly sucks at
2015-06-01T03:03:10 < Getty> hehe well with kodi its not that bad anymore, i use the same on windows, but yeah, its more like playing around seeing what i can do with the technology
2015-06-01T03:03:15 < Getty> but its really depressing
2015-06-01T03:03:37 < dongs> look, if I wanted an "xbox" "media" "player" I would just buy a fucking xbox, and play media
2015-06-01T03:04:10 < dongs> i dont need "cover art", "tv shows" and other garbage. Just give me a directory listing where I can select and click files.
2015-06-01T03:04:15 < dongs> good luck doing that wiht opensores garbage.
2015-06-01T03:04:16 < englishman> Lol xmbc is neither called xmbc nor runs on Xbox anymore
2015-06-01T03:04:33 < dongs> my point exactly, and its still fucking garbage
2015-06-01T03:04:44 < englishman> Actually its pretty great
2015-06-01T03:04:51 < dongs> not if you want to just PLAY MEDIA
2015-06-01T03:05:03 < englishman> I like auto subtitle downloading
2015-06-01T03:05:13 < karlp> xtreamer has a way better ui than xbmc
2015-06-01T03:05:13 < englishman> That's exactly what I use it for, actually
2015-06-01T03:05:24 < karlp> MOAH plugins! moah weather overlays!
2015-06-01T03:05:25 < Getty> kodi is not that bad about it.... really.... and the media info is so automatically that i dont think about it anymore
2015-06-01T03:05:34 < Getty> you remind me a bit right now of myself of 3-4 years ago ;)
2015-06-01T03:05:38 < karlp> no, play my fucking file, don't waste my time importing it and making me configure how the share works.
2015-06-01T03:05:52 < Getty> now i really enjoy the coverart ;)
2015-06-01T03:05:57 < karlp> yeah, if it worked
2015-06-01T03:06:03 < Getty> it works! great for me
2015-06-01T03:06:07 < karlp> but no, re-arrange my shit, force filenames on me,
2015-06-01T03:06:16 < karlp> it wouldn't let me have tv- shows and movies in the same folder
2015-06-01T03:06:18 < karlp> gtfo
2015-06-01T03:06:25 < Getty> oh yeah, the sub problem, i get it, for this we have..... aehm .... filesomething
2015-06-01T03:06:31 < Getty> a thing that renames your files automatically
2015-06-01T03:06:38 < karlp> how about no,
2015-06-01T03:06:43 < Getty> hehehe
2015-06-01T03:06:46 < Getty> just saying ;)
2015-06-01T03:06:59 < karlp> given the files all came from torrents anywya, it should damn well know if it want's to be so clever
2015-06-01T03:07:00 < Getty> i also hated those problem but since i use kodi and this renamer tool i am very happy
2015-06-01T03:07:38 < karlp> grouping things into mismatched series and sometimes using a foreign name or the original name or the other name
2015-06-01T03:07:45 < karlp> wayy too smart for it's own good.
2015-06-01T03:07:45 < Getty> the awesome part for me is now making all this accessable for my dad, thats very powerful in my eyes
2015-06-01T03:08:06 < karlp> my girlfriend found xmbc unsuable ui wise.
2015-06-01T03:08:11 < Getty> hehehe
2015-06-01T03:08:33 < Getty> you have alternatives, a lot.....
2015-06-01T03:08:38 < Getty> as for the interface
2015-06-01T03:08:51 < karlp> yeah, have an old xtreamer that still works.
2015-06-01T03:09:07 < karlp> getting a nice unit with a remote that works too is too difficult
2015-06-01T03:09:14 < karlp> aka not free :)
2015-06-01T03:09:36 < Getty> i bought now a remote with keyboard and 3d mouse for the andoer, lets see how this works out
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2015-06-01T03:11:52 < dongs> keyboard? mouse?????????
2015-06-01T03:11:53 < dongs> what teh fuck
2015-06-01T03:11:57 < dongs> what happeend to PLAYING MEDIA
2015-06-01T03:11:59 < karlp> yeah, I've considered just a wireless keyboard with mous pad, but that sounds like a massive step backwards
2015-06-01T03:12:05 < karlp> I already have three fucking remotes.
2015-06-01T03:12:10 < dongs> thats also where 99% of assadroid media players fucking fail
2015-06-01T03:12:20 < Getty> dongs: that is a primary topic but i wanna use that stuff powerful ;)
2015-06-01T03:12:24 < dongs> most dont even have ff/rew/etc buttons on remote
2015-06-01T03:12:31 < dongs> you gotta bring up some assdroid UI and click on shit
2015-06-01T03:12:32 < dongs> what hte fuck
2015-06-01T03:12:40 < karlp> yeah, the android box I got, and have shelved, had really shitty remote, with heavy clicky and not enough buttons.
2015-06-01T03:12:46 < Getty> i just use kodi for that
2015-06-01T03:13:03 < dongs> kwahtever.
2015-06-01T03:13:04 < dongs> bbl
2015-06-01T03:13:07 < Getty> and the remote is indepedent i mean i have a USB, so i can just use anything
2015-06-01T03:13:49 < PeterM> and all of the things you can use are completely inappropriate for the application!
2015-06-01T03:14:39 < Getty> hehehe its playing around ;) more not, i have so many devices to play media
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2015-06-01T03:23:41 < dongs> yes, and they all suck at it
2015-06-01T03:23:48 < dongs> thats what we found out from this discussion.
2015-06-01T03:28:58 < GargantuaSauce> i tried xbmc and it sucked so hard i just switched to vlc in a typical desktop env
2015-06-01T03:29:12 < englishman> My kodi shit works with CDC from remote
2015-06-01T03:29:20 < englishman> Pause RW ff etc
2015-06-01T03:29:26 < englishman> Cec
2015-06-01T03:29:43 < englishman> Xbmc used to suck yes
2015-06-01T03:29:57 < karlp> last I tried was the one before they changed their name.
2015-06-01T03:34:24 < dongs> dont worry, it still sucks
2015-06-01T03:36:11 < Getty> kodi crashs more often, tho....
2015-06-01T03:36:22 < Getty> no idea why a namechange must include more crashware ;)
2015-06-01T03:37:00 < dongs> mediaplayer crashing is compltely fucking unacceptable
2015-06-01T03:37:04 < dongs> i mean what teh fuck
2015-06-01T03:37:07 < dongs> all it has to do is PLAY MEDIA
2015-06-01T03:37:10 < dongs> what is there to crash????????????
2015-06-01T03:37:13 < Getty> lol :)
2015-06-01T03:39:42 < englishman> Must be lunix problems
2015-06-01T03:39:48 < englishman> My shit works fine
2015-06-01T03:40:02 < Getty> actually on windows ;)
2015-06-01T03:40:10 < englishman> Or maybe GEMA hacking yr shit
2015-06-01T03:40:12 < Getty> i dont count the android crashs as they can come from everything
2015-06-01T03:40:23 < Getty> oh sorry, ASSdroid ;)
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2015-06-01T03:45:59 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/v/1433100484771.webm
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2015-06-01T07:36:08 < dongs> do tantalums derate at voltage same as mlcc?
2015-06-01T07:37:46 < dongs> found thx to google
2015-06-01T07:45:35 < dongs> https://savzen.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/punctuation-mark_page_04.jpg
2015-06-01T07:46:49 < Getty> i had hebrew in school, but that is a bit more extreme there, for sure
2015-06-01T07:47:09 < Getty> all vocals are that there (and they get removed in normal writing flow, so no vocals)
2015-06-01T07:47:50 < Getty> whch s n prblm y cn rd yr wn lngg wtht vcls
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2015-06-01T08:34:23 < PeterM> tanbts have no capacitance loss vs dc bias, but it is good practice to over-rate the votlage on them because thye tent to catch fire if you dont
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2015-06-01T08:36:43 < dongs> right
2015-06-01T08:37:04 < dongs> chiangirl has some TAJA226K010RNJ ill just use those
2015-06-01T08:42:33 < PeterM> if is smps, might wanna paralled a .47uf-4.7uf ceram
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2015-06-01T08:57:32 < dongs> already
2015-06-01T08:57:38 < dongs> this is just for bulk shit
2015-06-01T08:58:07 < dongs> i just added a million caps everywehre
2015-06-01T08:58:24 < dongs> should hopefuly take care of the 1.2mhz noise
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2015-06-01T10:38:04 < dongs> hm
2015-06-01T10:38:18 < dongs> need to see if altidong can import gerber into pcb
2015-06-01T10:39:08 < PeterM> unfortunately it cant afaik
2015-06-01T10:39:33 < dongs> it sorta can, trying to see how useful that is gong to be
2015-06-01T10:39:40 < dongs> i just need to get poisitions of holes and shit in array
2015-06-01T10:39:43 < dongs> so i can make a flash jig
2015-06-01T10:40:32 < dongs> ...
2015-06-01T10:40:34 < dongs>  da fuq
2015-06-01T10:40:49 < dongs> it just imported it with totally wrong scale
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2015-06-01T10:41:40 < dongs> wait in im stoned
2015-06-01T10:41:41 < dongs> its good
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2015-06-01T10:54:46 < dongs> o man is it slow tho
2015-06-01T10:57:02 < dongs> fook
2015-06-01T10:58:50 < dongs> currently waiting for it to finsih deleting 120000 traces
2015-06-01T11:00:15 < dongs> yay finally gone
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2015-06-01T11:06:43 < _Sync_> dongs: is supergt really that big of a deal in japan?
2015-06-01T11:07:00 < dongs> wat is it
2015-06-01T11:07:16 < _Sync_> racing series
2015-06-01T11:07:39 < dongs> no idea then
2015-06-01T11:09:07 < _Sync_> because they are full on insane
2015-06-01T11:09:25 < _Sync_> completely different aero packages per track
2015-06-01T11:09:35 < _Sync_> and tires developed for the driver
2015-06-01T11:10:08 < PeterM> dongs is Kanamara Matsuri that big of a deal in japan? it is your kind of thing right?
2015-06-01T11:10:53 < dongs> is that teh dicks one
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2015-06-01T11:11:30 < PeterM> dongs i guess it is your thing then
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2015-06-01T15:50:15 < dongs> sup pros
2015-06-01T15:50:53 < zyp> sup
2015-06-01T15:51:09 < dongs> not much . blogging profusely
2015-06-01T15:51:16 < zyp> dongs, when will you have time to assemble more boards?
2015-06-01T15:51:22 < dongs> zyp, whenever
2015-06-01T15:51:29 < zyp> okay, cool
2015-06-01T15:51:43 < dongs> depending on qty, but lemme know a couple days in advance so i can get pcbs bounced over here
2015-06-01T15:51:50 < zyp> I got the go-ahead today for 24 boards assembled with f427
2015-06-01T15:51:52 < dongs> well and get parts and shit.
2015-06-01T15:51:55 < dongs> cool
2015-06-01T15:52:12 < zyp> I'm just going to sanity-check compatibility between that and f407 first
2015-06-01T15:52:14 < dongs> i can check the price tomrorow, does that mean you're buying the 427s?
2015-06-01T15:52:27 < dongs> i forgot if it was cheap or not rly
2015-06-01T15:52:33 < zyp> yeah, I'm buying f427s wherever they are cheapest
2015-06-01T15:52:57 < zyp> IIRC mouser have them available for $15 or whatever
2015-06-01T15:53:07 < zyp> I mean, cheapest and available
2015-06-01T15:53:21 < dongs> VG was $9
2015-06-01T15:53:24 < dongs> were you afer VI?
2015-06-01T15:53:29 < zyp> yes
2015-06-01T15:53:30 < dongs> (local
2015-06-01T15:53:38 < dongs> yeah i didnt check that one. will do
2015-06-01T15:53:47 < zyp> $14.27@25 at mouser
2015-06-01T15:54:06 < dongs> VGT6 is at verical for $9 also
2015-06-01T15:54:07 < dongs> neat
2015-06-01T15:54:11 < dongs> no VI tho
2015-06-01T15:54:37 < zyp> also, you need to invoice me for what I owe you
2015-06-01T15:54:55 < dongs> did you pay for any of parts?
2015-06-01T15:54:58 < dongs> or just the PCB
2015-06-01T15:55:05 < zyp> just the 1k qty connectors
2015-06-01T15:55:13 < zyp> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/hyYfqk87.html <- you sent me this before
2015-06-01T15:55:18 < dongs> pcb also unpaid? mkay
2015-06-01T15:55:19 < zyp> and then there were phys
2015-06-01T15:55:26 < zyp> oh, pcbs are paid
2015-06-01T15:55:31 < dongs> yeah i thought so to
2015-06-01T15:55:49 < dongs> right so my mouser order + ^ + jew support fund
2015-06-01T15:56:08 < zyp> correct
2015-06-01T15:56:24 < zyp> stencil perhaps?
2015-06-01T15:56:46 < dongs> that might have been arrayed with someone else, il lcheck
2015-06-01T15:58:58 < dongs> dont see any good pricing on VI
2015-06-01T15:59:03 < dongs> wont know until tomrow
2015-06-01T15:59:11 < dongs> mouser will work otherwise.
2015-06-01T16:01:34 < zyp> apparently some of my pals wanted to go to Hiroshima this year, so maybe while I'm «nearby» I'll just head on down and pay you cash in hand if you don't want paypal :p
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2015-06-01T16:03:49 < dongs> sure
2015-06-01T16:03:52 < dongs> whatever works
2015-06-01T16:05:00 < zyp> mostly joking, but I haven't been to kyushu yet, so I wouldn't mind going some time :p
2015-06-01T16:05:13 < dongs> isnt hiroshima that
2015-06-01T16:05:30 < dongs> i forgot if the only reasonable way to get out of there is ferry or something else.
2015-06-01T16:06:05 < zyp> uh, shinkansen between osaka and fukuoka runs through hiroshima
2015-06-01T16:06:11 < dongs> oh, right
2015-06-01T16:06:58 < dongs> im cheap so i wouldnt be riding that
2015-06-01T16:08:02 < zyp> I probably wouldn't either, if it weren't for those weekly tourist train passes
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2015-06-01T16:10:52 < dongs> that and anniemay
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2015-06-01T16:15:43 < dongs> whats hte cheapest way to do a ghetto stepper driver
2015-06-01T16:15:46 < dongs> no microstepping/other trash
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2015-06-01T16:26:07 < ReadError> hbridge?
2015-06-01T16:26:23 < ReadError> or some chinese $2 pololol clone
2015-06-01T16:26:45 < dongs> idont really wanna do pwm for it if I can help it
2015-06-01T16:26:51 < dongs> i mean, more than 1 channel
2015-06-01T16:26:54 < dongs> $2 is to omuch
2015-06-01T16:26:59 < dongs> its likee 40mA stepper, tiny little shit
2015-06-01T16:27:07 < dongs> all teh 'drivers' are overkill 2+A
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2015-06-01T16:27:48 < ReadError> 4 fets?
2015-06-01T16:28:23 < dongs> yeah but then i gotta genrate 4 pwm shits??
2015-06-01T16:28:26 < ReadError> yup
2015-06-01T16:28:29 < dongs> well fuck that
2015-06-01T16:28:42 < ReadError> thats why with a driver you only need pulse and dir
2015-06-01T16:29:02 < dongs> god dman
2015-06-01T16:29:08 < dongs> pololu trash is polluting all google results
2015-06-01T16:29:09 < dongs> with garbage
2015-06-01T16:29:25 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-5PCS-LOT-Geeetech-Stepstick-A4983-Motor-Driver-Stepper-Driver-For-3D-printer-RepRap-Prusa/2036090168.html?spm=2114.32010308.4.38.5cIdgc
2015-06-01T16:29:58 < dongs> yeah i mean
2015-06-01T16:30:01 < dongs> this is not for 3d printer
2015-06-01T16:30:05 < dongs> and i am not gonan use breakouts
2015-06-01T16:31:04 < dongs> dude that shit neds two current sense resistors
2015-06-01T16:31:49 < zyp> at 40ma you could almost just run it from GPIOs
2015-06-01T16:31:58 < ReadError> lol the ICs are more than the BoB
2015-06-01T16:32:58 < dongs> zyp, sure, its not that tho, but the fact that I'd need to make 4 pwm
2015-06-01T16:33:02 < dongs> and carea bout driving that shit
2015-06-01T16:33:07 < dongs> instead of just set a timer once and forget it
2015-06-01T16:33:38 < Lux> you could use those drv88** drivers
2015-06-01T16:33:45 < dongs> they're all overkill
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2015-06-01T16:34:41 < Lux> yep, but without pwm there's prob nothing else or anything with much lower current than 1A
2015-06-01T16:34:58 < zyp> well, uh, there's a bunch of output states you're stepping through
2015-06-01T16:35:38 < zyp> either you have to use enough pins to generate all those, or you'll have to use a chip that does it for you
2015-06-01T16:35:40 < dongs> zyp, i dont wanna hadndle it in software
2015-06-01T16:35:48 < dongs> I/O is not a problem
2015-06-01T16:36:29 < zyp> so what are you going to use it for then?
2015-06-01T16:36:47 < dongs> its a tiny stepper that just slowly turns
2015-06-01T16:37:34 < dongs> it has like 1:20 gear reduction too
2015-06-01T16:37:40 < dongs> so its just really going to slowly spin.
2015-06-01T16:39:33 < zyp> spin.gif
2015-06-01T16:39:44 < dongs> basicaly :(
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2015-06-01T16:43:10 < dongs> http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync/201006/DST_TB6593FNG-TDE_EN_27195.pdf
2015-06-01T16:45:32 < ReadError> > dont want to use BoB
2015-06-01T16:45:45 < ReadError> > uses giant SSOP20
2015-06-01T16:45:49 < dongs> um bro
2015-06-01T16:45:57 < dongs> do you see breakouts for shit
2015-06-01T16:46:02 < dongs> inside actual products
2015-06-01T16:46:05 < dongs> that arent maker garbage
2015-06-01T16:46:11 < dongs> i mean if im going to makee a board for something
2015-06-01T16:46:19 < dongs> im not goign to fucking put a shitty china breakout in it
2015-06-01T16:46:23 < dongs> even if im making like 2
2015-06-01T16:46:39 < ReadError> has benefits, shit burns out (which happens) its a simple swap
2015-06-01T16:46:50 < dongs> not at 40mA
2015-06-01T16:47:57 < ReadError> maybe you can china source some of those allegro drivers on the cheap?
2015-06-01T16:54:21 < Laurenceb> there are st drivers now
2015-06-01T16:54:24 < Laurenceb> probably pricey
2015-06-01T16:54:49 < dongs> sure, st has a ubnhc
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2015-06-01T17:00:07 < dongs> DRV8824 is like $2
2015-06-01T17:00:08 < dongs> wtf
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2015-06-01T17:15:54 < dongs> https://coffemake.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/circuit.jpg lole
2015-06-01T17:16:58 < PeterM> ULN2003 should be deleted from everythign forever
2015-06-01T17:17:03 < dongs> lolol
2015-06-01T17:18:32 < gxti> cheap as dirt though
2015-06-01T17:18:35 < PeterM> should be left in the 70s where it came from
2015-06-01T17:19:19 < gxti> what, do you only use ICs designed in the past 5 years?
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2015-06-01T17:20:05 < dongs> yes
2015-06-01T17:20:11 < gxti> k
2015-06-01T17:20:19 < PeterM> i try to stay i nthe last 20 at least
2015-06-01T17:20:23 < dongs> wonder if I can do harwdare pwm for this shit without much housekeeping
2015-06-01T17:20:35 < PeterM> i try to use mos instead of bipolar
2015-06-01T17:20:58 < PeterM> dongle got datasheet for stepper?
2015-06-01T17:21:06 < gxti> is there an array like uln2003 but with fets? i'd use it if it existed and didn't cost much more
2015-06-01T17:21:30 < gxti> but it's not like it matters if you're just switching some relays
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2015-06-01T17:26:44 < PeterM> gxti not that i know of, but there are some nice cheap dual pfets/dual nfets in sc-70-6
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2015-06-01T17:35:09 < karlp> last week byebye broadcom/avago, this week, byebye altera
2015-06-01T17:36:18 < PeterM> it wasnt cheap
2015-06-01T17:36:19 < dongs> oh wat
2015-06-01T17:36:58 < dongs> hah
2015-06-01T17:37:02 < dongs> almost as much as whatsapp
2015-06-01T17:37:24 < gxti> not quite as important to the global economy
2015-06-01T17:37:55 < PeterM> can't put advertising in fpgas :(
2015-06-01T17:39:00 < karlp> wanna bet? :)
2015-06-01T17:39:45 < dongs> someone hopefully made some nice stock dealz
2015-06-01T17:39:58 < dongs> shit's bene obvious for a while
2015-06-01T17:39:58 < PeterM> karlp no
2015-06-01T17:40:17 < karlp> dongs: yeah, I know it's been talked about for a while, but what does intel really do with altera?
2015-06-01T17:40:40 < dongs> karlp: they use intel fabs to make cyclon shit, intel uses thier stuff in custom xeons for big customers
2015-06-01T17:40:45 < PeterM> i'd hazzard a guess they'd probably make fpgas
2015-06-01T17:40:53 < dongs> xeon+fpga shits that they had been making for a whie
2015-06-01T17:42:22 < karlp> PeterM: well yeah, I get that, I just mean, how does it relate to intel's business to get all in with fpgas, why do they need to _own_ it.
2015-06-01T17:48:40 < jpa-> karlp: one reason might be plain business: intel has money, and they think that altera will be worth more in the future
2015-06-01T17:57:08 < _Sync_> karlp: they can use fpgas to develop the next technology step
2015-06-01T17:57:29 < _Sync_> because fpgas can get away with lower yield and still be usable
2015-06-01T17:57:36 < _Sync_>  because you can flash away broken cells
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2015-06-01T18:23:32 < Laurenceb> powermcu?!
2015-06-01T18:23:42 < Laurenceb> i was hoping for power  architecture :(
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2015-06-01T18:34:35 < dongs> https://solarthermalmagazine.com/2015/05/28/construction-of-92mw-solar-power-plant-as-japan-continues-move-away-from-nuclear-power/
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2015-06-01T19:02:18 < gxti> moving away from nuclear power because they're too incompetent to manage it properly
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2015-06-01T19:03:46 < Laurenceb> lol 92mw
2015-06-01T19:03:59 < Laurenceb> or 6 top of the line wind turbines
2015-06-01T19:05:02 < BrainDamage> or less than 1/10 than the electrical output power of a medium nuclear reactor
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2015-06-01T19:08:38 < Laurenceb> and much less than all the reactors that were at fukushima
2015-06-01T19:10:06 < Getty> the 3d mouse works great.... beside the fact that it goes on more as i want... but beside this, good invested 20 EUR
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2015-06-01T19:10:53 < zyp> which one?
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2015-06-01T19:15:24 < Getty> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00EXWW62Q
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2015-06-01T19:17:09 < dongs> looks garbage
2015-06-01T19:17:35 < Getty> yeah, it does, also feels a bit like, but the result is good, i just need to get used to the fact that the middle button is not "click" ;)
2015-06-01T19:20:40 < dongs> mouse or keyboard doesnt belong on something attached to a TV
2015-06-01T19:20:42 < dongs> for media playback
2015-06-01T19:25:55 < zyp> oh, that's not what I thought you meant by 3d mouse
2015-06-01T19:26:06 < dongs> HardFault_Handler' referenced in section `.isr_vector' of obj/startup_stm32f30x_md_gcc.o: defined in discarded section `.text' of obj/main.o (symbol from plugin)
2015-06-01T19:26:11 < dongs> zyp what hte fuck is this
2015-06-01T19:26:15 < dongs> fucking lunix trash
2015-06-01T19:26:26 < zyp> umm
2015-06-01T19:26:51 < gxti> sounds like typical LTO shenanigans
2015-06-01T19:26:57 < dongs> laff
2015-06-01T19:27:06 < zyp> idk, I don't use LTO
2015-06-01T19:27:10 < dongs> me neither
2015-06-01T19:27:13 < dongs> i just typed MAKE
2015-06-01T19:27:17 < gxti> i only ever managed to get it working by building everything in one cmdline, and it barely saved anything so i gave up
2015-06-01T19:27:40 < gxti> probably nice for building huge bloated software like firedicks or openorifice
2015-06-01T19:28:07 < zyp> 18:20:40 < dongs> mouse or keyboard doesnt belong on something attached to a TV
2015-06-01T19:28:07 < dongs> i'd say precompiled headers would be much better thing there
2015-06-01T19:28:09 < dongs> than lto
2015-06-01T19:28:12 < zyp> you mean, like a computer?
2015-06-01T19:28:15 < dongs> zyp, exactly
2015-06-01T19:28:47 < zyp> idk, I'm too lazy to fix some media player bullshit for my tv
2015-06-01T19:29:41 < dongs> well if youre the only user and tv is in your basement and you only watch anniemay on it, yeah, a PC will do
2015-06-01T19:29:50 < dongs> try letting any normal people to try and use it tho..
2015-06-01T19:30:39 < zyp> I don't watch much anniemay nowadays, but yeah
2015-06-01T19:30:54 < dongs> relinking again with gcc 4.9
2015-06-01T19:30:57 < dongs> see if it makes any difference
2015-06-01T19:31:07 < dongs> the shit iw as building was some ancient 4.8.something
2015-06-01T19:31:15 < dongs> takes like 5 minutes to lnk
2015-06-01T19:31:30 < dongs> worked
2015-06-01T19:31:48 < zyp> wow, dongs said gcc worked
2015-06-01T19:31:51 < zyp> that's a new one
2015-06-01T19:33:01 < dongs> Leider versendet dieser Verkäufer nicht nach Japan
2015-06-01T19:33:09 < dongs> so what is the '3dmouse" in that dumb keyboarD?
2015-06-01T19:33:14 < dongs> accelerometer and you tilt it around to mouse?
2015-06-01T19:33:28 < dongs> probably looks mega dumb
2015-06-01T19:33:52 < zyp> I thought 3d mouse meant some 6dof thing
2015-06-01T19:33:59 < dongs> yeah, like the one altidong supports
2015-06-01T19:34:08 < zyp> yeah
2015-06-01T19:34:09 < dongs> space navigator
2015-06-01T19:34:39 < zyp> I've considered getting one, but it's a bit expensive for the little use it'll see
2015-06-01T19:35:24 < dongs> 70bux?
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2015-06-01T19:36:11 < zyp> it's over twice that in norway
2015-06-01T19:36:39 < zyp> around $150 with the current exchange rate
2015-06-01T19:36:44 < dongs> sux
2015-06-01T19:36:56 < zyp> maybe I'll pick one up in jp if they're cheaper there
2015-06-01T19:37:37 < zyp> 14k jpy, not much better
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2015-06-01T19:52:01 < englishman> keyboard on media pc, wut
2015-06-01T19:52:16 < karlp> how else do you search youtube though?
2015-06-01T19:52:29 < englishman> probably chromecast on phone is best way
2015-06-01T19:53:05 < englishman> for tv and movies i have rageberripi2+openelec+sonarr
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2015-06-01T19:55:41 < karlp> what actually is sonarr?
2015-06-01T19:55:46 < karlp> it's website is all pretty, no content
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2015-06-01T19:56:30 < englishman> auto downloading of tv series
2015-06-01T19:56:41 < englishman> via butttorrent/pay-for-piracy usenet
2015-06-01T19:57:00 < englishman> and cataloging, etc
2015-06-01T19:57:24 < karlp> soyou're ok with a keyboard on a phone for media plaything then :)
2015-06-01T19:57:40 < englishman> i dono i have no reason to watch youtuber on tv
2015-06-01T19:58:26 < karlp> how did you watch kung fury then!
2015-06-01T19:58:54 < englishman> in a google chrome window on my pc while fapping to goat porn in other window
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2015-06-01T22:04:41 < Getty> so red pitaya now 47% off at reichelt here in germany
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2015-06-01T23:14:31 < kakimir> ok so windows says you can get windows 10 for free now
2015-06-01T23:14:38 < kakimir> but is it worth it
2015-06-01T23:14:39 < kakimir> ?
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2015-06-01T23:38:44 < ReadError> win7 for life
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2015-06-02T00:01:37 < kakimir> I concider paying to update to win8
2015-06-02T00:01:43 < kakimir> there is keys for 20eur
2015-06-02T00:03:13 < kakimir> not my own computer I use lunix
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2015-06-02T00:15:15 < kakimir> personal computing sucks
2015-06-02T00:16:04 < kakimir> if you like to play around with it then fine but idea of maintaining one or more systems personally is just bad
2015-06-02T00:16:34 < kakimir> maybe if there is some adminstration magic used then it's cool
2015-06-02T00:19:14 < kakimir> back to mainframe computing!
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2015-06-02T00:42:24 < specing> As someone who owns ~20 Gentoo hosts, problem?
2015-06-02T00:43:21 < specing> and yes, there is administration magic
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2015-06-02T00:50:59 < kakimir> well lunix machines you adminstrate like single machine
2015-06-02T00:51:27 < BrainDamage> because the other 19 don't even boot
2015-06-02T00:51:47 < kakimir> and that is ok number of hosts
2015-06-02T00:52:07 < kakimir> but like 5 or so you do manually is the shittiest
2015-06-02T00:53:05 < BrainDamage> the problem is not the number
2015-06-02T00:53:14 < BrainDamage> you can setup automation even with 3 machines
2015-06-02T00:53:26 < BrainDamage> the problem is when they have heterogenous tasks and setup
2015-06-02T00:55:33 < kakimir> the thing is you need 1000computers and have identical processes for everyone
2015-06-02T01:12:10 < specing> yes it helps to have identical machines
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2015-06-02T03:23:09 < dongs> R2PRO
2015-06-02T03:26:58 < dongs> bloggin profusely
2015-06-02T03:27:01 < dongs> going to try to do some work today
2015-06-02T03:27:03 < dongs> isntead of just c hat
2015-06-02T03:27:11 < dongs> might be difficult
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2015-06-02T03:40:51 < dongs> https://www.fiverr.com/search/gigs?acmpl=1&utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_in=everywhere&source=top-bar&query=circuit+design&page=1&layout=auto
2015-06-02T03:40:54 < dongs> mmmm.
2015-06-02T03:43:22 < dongs> yes
2015-06-02T03:43:37 < dongs> $5 gets you a professionally designed circuit+pcb in 24h ready to plug into your arduino pro mini
2015-06-02T03:44:00 < dongs> if only there was a couple extra zeros at the end of that i'd be signing up immediately
2015-06-02T03:45:46 < dongs> loloea its all eagle pros tehre
2015-06-02T03:45:49 < dongs> what hte fuck is proteus?
2015-06-02T03:47:03 < dongs> sounds useless
2015-06-02T03:47:05 < dongs> pros dont sim
2015-06-02T03:47:49 < dongs> https://www.fiverr.com/keyuracharya/design-schematic-and-layout-for-pcb?context=advanced_search&context_type=rating&pos=4&funnel=c53ad6ac-d75b-446f-85c9-17d4598a4c89
2015-06-02T03:47:52 < dongs> look at this guy
2015-06-02T03:47:55 < dongs> he's top level seller
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2015-06-02T03:50:48 < dongs> i could get him to do DDR3 layout for me
2015-06-02T03:50:51 < dongs> thats less than 30 parts
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2015-06-02T03:50:56 < dongs> ^_-
2015-06-02T03:52:24 < dongs> i wouldnt even wish eagle usage on poor indians
2015-06-02T04:10:00 < dongs> lole
2015-06-02T04:10:02 < dongs> zano guys fucked up
2015-06-02T04:10:04 < dongs> with addresses
2015-06-02T04:10:15 < dongs> their database is missing the house/apartment number part
2015-06-02T04:10:19 < dongs> for EVERYONE
2015-06-02T04:11:58 < dongs> so they can track you
2015-06-02T04:12:23 < dongs> report your location straight to MI5 HQ
2015-06-02T04:19:15 < Getty> dongs: lol what? ;)
2015-06-02T04:20:11 < Getty> hhehe... awesome... zano is really a fun to watch
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2015-06-02T04:43:02 < dongs> k time to assemble some stuff while dicknplace is running other stuff
2015-06-02T04:43:06 < dongs> multitasking
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2015-06-02T04:52:26 < emeb_mac> improve each shining moment
2015-06-02T05:05:00 < MrMobius> thank goodness Xilinx provides a download manager to help me with my downloads
2015-06-02T05:05:06 < MrMobius> its only 1.1gb
2015-06-02T05:08:07 < dongs> what xilinx tool is 1.1gb?
2015-06-02T05:08:19 < MrMobius> none of them are
2015-06-02T05:08:21 < dongs> ISE 14.7 is like 8gigs
2015-06-02T05:08:22 < MrMobius> the download manager is
2015-06-02T05:08:44 < dongs> laff
2015-06-02T05:08:50 < dongs> fuck xilinx
2015-06-02T05:08:53 < dongs> intel all the way
2015-06-02T05:09:02 < MrMobius> trying to download the "Lab Tools" to convert jed files to svf
2015-06-02T05:09:08 < MrMobius> since atmel's shit is failsauce
2015-06-02T05:09:12 < dongs> ah
2015-06-02T05:09:16 < dongs> i think
2015-06-02T05:09:28 < dongs> you might be able to do that with standalone impact thing
2015-06-02T05:09:40 < dongs> which is probl waht youre downloading
2015-06-02T05:09:58 < MrMobius> there is supposed to be one little command line utility that will do the job
2015-06-02T05:10:13 < MrMobius> so i can uninstall the other 1.09gb after i find it
2015-06-02T05:11:27 < MrMobius> because if i have the uart cable im using to program the thing plugged in when i start atmel's shitware it gives me a "1" popup then closes
2015-06-02T05:12:04 < dongs> what atmel trash needs svf files?
2015-06-02T05:12:13 < dongs> i some PLD?
2015-06-02T05:12:15 < dongs> from 1980
2015-06-02T05:12:52 < MrMobius> design flow is compile jed -> unplug all USB -> load jed into atmel's garbage and make svf-> switch to VM to convert svf with 16 bit util -> replug USBs -> flash
2015-06-02T05:13:04 < MrMobius> yep, a 5v one
2015-06-02T05:13:10 < MrMobius> since the world no longer needs that trash
2015-06-02T05:15:30 < MrMobius> -> microwave face
2015-06-02T05:20:03 < dongs> that doesnt sound very pro at all
2015-06-02T05:21:05 < dongs> and i bet ISE10 wont run on anything above XP
2015-06-02T05:22:30 < dongs> i highly doubt it
2015-06-02T05:27:46 < MrMobius> lolzware
2015-06-02T05:28:01 < MrMobius> a messagebox with "1" seems like someone was doing shitty debugging and forgot to take it out
2015-06-02T05:36:16 < dongs> attn zyp http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2015/06/01/u-s-embassy-issues-drink-spiking-warning-for-roppongi-kabukicho/
2015-06-02T05:38:18 < englishman> lol proteus
2015-06-02T05:40:43 < dongs> but for $5 who cares
2015-06-02T05:40:55 < dongs> there's some indians with altium there too
2015-06-02T05:41:01 < dongs> get them  to layout hte next osdoge
2015-06-02T05:41:36 < englishman> progress on v2 progressing at amazing pace
2015-06-02T05:41:43 < englishman> such progress
2015-06-02T05:41:48 < englishman> gonna defeat zano release date
2015-06-02T05:41:54 < dongs> that shouldnt be hard
2015-06-02T05:42:00 < dongs> since zano has no release date
2015-06-02T05:42:36 < englishman> precisely
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2015-06-02T05:57:34 < emeb_mac> f373 has 3 I2S ports but they're not full duplex
2015-06-02T05:58:03 < emeb_mac> however they can be slave - wonder if you can set one up as master, other as slave and do ghetto full-duplex?
2015-06-02T05:58:07 < emeb_mac> seems legit
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2015-06-02T07:13:36 < MrMobius> with xilinx's help i have figured out that their utility will not convert an atmel jedec file
2015-06-02T07:15:49 < dongs> lole
2015-06-02T07:15:51 < dongs> time for VM
2015-06-02T07:15:53 < dongs> (again)
2015-06-02T07:30:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CPKrX18.gif
2015-06-02T07:30:10 < dongs> typical canadian activitytt
2015-06-02T07:32:28 < akaWolf> ~~
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2015-06-02T07:47:16 < MrMobius> still on my journey
2015-06-02T07:47:26 < MrMobius> this software requires at least 512kb RAM
2015-06-02T07:47:28 < dongs> check if atmel has tools 4 lunix
2015-06-02T07:47:38 < dongs> it is guaranteed to work
2015-06-02T07:49:07 < dongs> k tiem to see if this board works
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2015-06-02T08:34:44 < dongs> ... motherfucker
2015-06-02T08:34:57 < dongs> used non-opendrain bidirectional level shifter for i2c trash
2015-06-02T08:35:02 < dongs> way2go
2015-06-02T08:35:12 < dongs> fuck 1.8 I/O
2015-06-02T08:37:17 < emeb_mac> derp
2015-06-02T08:37:26 < dongs> yep
2015-06-02T08:37:31 < dongs> its a fucking .4mm pitch trahs too
2015-06-02T08:37:33 < dongs> so theres no hope of fixing it
2015-06-02T08:38:11 < upgrdman> lol. just placed an order with amazon, and used a gift card to pay for most of it. gift card covered all but $0.27 ... they actually charged my card for $0.27. lol, must have cost them more in merchant fees.
2015-06-02T08:38:27 < dongs> jew.
2015-06-02T08:38:29 < dongs> hm
2015-06-02T08:38:32 < dongs> i wonder what i can ghetto up
2015-06-02T08:38:56 < dongs> all teh ghetto possibilities are awful
2015-06-02T08:39:03 < dongs> deadbugging a pca9306 or etc
2015-06-02T08:39:08 < dongs> while cutting 5mil traces
2015-06-02T08:40:13 < upgrdman> what did you fuck up now?
2015-06-02T08:40:37 < dongs> read right above
2015-06-02T08:40:58 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-02T08:41:13 < dongs> ikr
2015-06-02T08:41:27 < upgrdman> srsly
2015-06-02T08:41:47 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/documents/other/Discretes_package_poster.pdf
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2015-06-02T08:52:07 < dongs> today, NXP redefines MSOP-8 as 0.65mm pitch
2015-06-02T08:52:12 < dongs> cockgobblers
2015-06-02T08:54:59 < emeb_mac> gah
2015-06-02T08:57:02 < dongs> oh what hte hell
2015-06-02T08:57:05 < dongs> its not evne same pitch
2015-06-02T08:57:30 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/documents/reflow_soldering/sot505-1_fr.pdf
2015-06-02T08:57:33 < dongs> wtf is this garbage
2015-06-02T08:57:40 < dongs> i hope im getting trolled
2015-06-02T09:00:29 < dongs> _fr probably stants for GAY AND FRENCH
2015-06-02T09:02:02 < PeterM> MSOP is package width iirc, so can be either 0.65 for 8 pin or 0.5 for 10 pin iirc
2015-06-02T09:02:32 < dongs> i duno man. i never seen msop other than 0.5mm until this NXP trash showed up
2015-06-02T09:04:07 < PeterM> i know ti's msop 8 is .65 but their msop10 is 0.5
2015-06-02T09:06:52 < dongs> odd
2015-06-02T09:07:08 < dongs> for some reason i have msop8 in my shit footprint lib tied to parts I know i used but its .5mm pitch
2015-06-02T09:07:12 < dongs> o well
2015-06-02T09:09:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YUUG1JN.jpg
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2015-06-02T09:20:40 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/FfY35iw.gifv
2015-06-02T09:22:45 < emeb_mac> it had to be yellow
2015-06-02T09:23:17 < dongs> lol'd @ that guy in truck
2015-06-02T09:24:39 < emeb_mac> he's thing "WTF!"
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2015-06-02T09:36:57 < dongs> As the interface for data exchange between the functional modules of watches, which perform processing and displaying of information received from the mobile device, was chosen Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI). SPI will provide fast communication between main processor, Bluetooth, display controller and flash memory. Raw data obtained by Bluetooth module will be distributed to functional units for their further conversion. The output image will be formed in the disp
2015-06-02T09:37:04 < dongs> </ritot>
2015-06-02T09:37:39 < dongs> We already developed topology of data exchange channel which allows selecting slave and master devices in different situations that will occur throughout functioning of watches. Also written SPI drivers for all devices which use it. Now we are working on complete algorithm for data exchange which will ensure the most effective functioning of watches and will prevent possible collisions in data path.
2015-06-02T09:40:30 < dongs> d o n g s
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2015-06-02T09:43:44 < effractur> lol
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2015-06-02T09:54:38 < dongs> this is zano in a couple months
2015-06-02T09:54:40 < dongs> when they run out of excuses
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2015-06-02T10:24:54 < dongs> whoaaa fuck
2015-06-02T10:25:00 < dongs> mouser ran out of reverse displayport connector I needed
2015-06-02T10:25:05 < dongs> wtf last time i ordered tehy had a ton in stock
2015-06-02T10:25:06 < dongs> now all gone
2015-06-02T10:25:35 < dongs> https://octopart.com/search?q=DP1RD20JQ2R400 awesome, looks like NOBODY has it
2015-06-02T10:26:04 < dongs> "no longer stocked"
2015-06-02T10:26:05 < dongs> oops.
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2015-06-02T10:57:07 < ReadError> <Norgs-> dongs: is that you who wants to drive the car into the PM
2015-06-02T10:57:14 < ReadError> huehuehuehuehue
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2015-06-02T13:37:18 < dongs> "The Source and Destination Rooms are members of different Channel Classes"
2015-06-02T13:37:20 < dongs> nice altidong error
2015-06-02T13:37:24 < dongs> piece of shit
2015-06-02T13:46:37 < zyp> heh
2015-06-02T13:46:48 < dongs> cant figure out how to fix it either.
2015-06-02T13:46:52 < dongs> cant copy rooms across.
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2015-06-02T13:48:00 < zyp> any news on f427?
2015-06-02T13:49:34 < jpa-> yeah, it won't be used on zano
2015-06-02T13:51:50 < dongs> zyp, around 10bucks pending verification of actual existence
2015-06-02T13:52:01 < zyp> okay, cool
2015-06-02T13:57:34 < dongs> ARGH
2015-06-02T13:57:38 < dongs> i cannot find any explanation of this shit
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2015-06-02T14:02:03 < dongs> found
2015-06-02T14:02:29 < dongs> design->classes, under 'design channel classes' tree for some reason 2 of the rooms were 'non-members'
2015-06-02T14:09:18 < dongs> nice, and it just crashed
2015-06-02T14:24:55 < zyp> :p
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2015-06-02T14:32:47 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/kpe/status/604418558181785600
2015-06-02T14:32:50 < Laurenceb__> so confuse
2015-06-02T14:35:00 < Laurenceb__> why the hell would they use failpro
2015-06-02T14:36:04 < zyp> hmm
2015-06-02T14:36:20 < zyp> dongs, what's the current status on 4k monitors on the market?
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2015-06-02T14:37:51 < dongs> zyp, dell 2415Q is ok if you dont mind blueish colors
2015-06-02T14:38:14 < dongs> aka wled backlight
2015-06-02T14:39:00 < dongs> duno the rest, havent kept track. duno if anyone else has 24" stuff that is resonably priced.
2015-06-02T14:39:13 < zyp> my U2711 have developed a miscolored area, so I'm making a warranty complaint on it
2015-06-02T14:39:16 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ngQHz.JPG
2015-06-02T14:39:29 < dongs> is U lifetime warranty?
2015-06-02T14:39:33 < zyp> and since it's discontinued, I'm considering the possibility to trade it for a 4k monitor
2015-06-02T14:39:43 < zyp> three years on this
2015-06-02T14:39:47 < dongs> that weird blotch on top right?
2015-06-02T14:39:49 < zyp> yes
2015-06-02T14:39:56 < dongs> that looks pretty fucked
2015-06-02T14:40:22 < zyp> it's been a while since I first noticed it, it's been worsening over time
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2015-06-02T14:44:48 < Fleck> https://www.facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10155702280895112/
2015-06-02T14:47:00 < dongs> that was linked before
2015-06-02T14:47:10 < dongs> someone said it was yellow paint tho
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2015-06-02T15:17:43 < englishman> mustard, are you kidding me
2015-06-02T15:20:51 < _Sync_> maybe mustard gas
2015-06-02T15:26:24 < jpa-> now we can invite finnish police to this channel (/wii erno_poliisi)
2015-06-02T15:36:54 < dongs> wut
2015-06-02T15:37:04 < zyp> hmm, I called dell to complain, they just replied «okay, then there'll be an UPS guy there tomorrow with a new one»
2015-06-02T15:37:10 < dongs> right
2015-06-02T15:37:27 < dongs> thats what it does in USA, i had to spend about an hour on the phone wiht jap dell to get same
2015-06-02T15:37:38 < dongs> then I got 3 new 4k like next day.
2015-06-02T15:37:43 < dongs> with a return label.
2015-06-02T15:38:33 < zyp> pretty decent
2015-06-02T15:38:51 < zyp> usually when I complain on stuff, the store want the broken shit back before replacing it
2015-06-02T15:39:56 < zyp> a bit annoying to have to phone dell though, would have been even easier to just fill in an online form or shoot them a mail
2015-06-02T15:40:23 < dongs> how is that annoying
2015-06-02T15:40:25 < dongs> nobody reads email
2015-06-02T15:41:15 < zyp> sure they do
2015-06-02T15:41:24 < zyp> I complained to the store where I bought the monitor first
2015-06-02T15:42:05 < zyp> took less than ten minutes for them to reply that I should just call dell directly
2015-06-02T15:42:06 < Laurenceb__> RAGEEE
2015-06-02T15:42:15 < Laurenceb__> epstool is segfaulting
2015-06-02T15:42:24 < Laurenceb__> i hate this stupid job
2015-06-02T15:42:47 < Laurenceb__> going to quit soon
2015-06-02T15:42:53 < zyp> which is less than the 14 minutes I spent on the phone with dell
2015-06-02T15:43:15 < zyp> navigating dumb menus and shit
2015-06-02T15:45:28 < Laurenceb__> sounds even less fun than my job
2015-06-02T15:45:49 < jpa-> less fun than fapping all day? surely.
2015-06-02T15:49:21 < Laurenceb__> raging at graphs all day
2015-06-02T15:49:28 < Laurenceb__> professional graph drawer
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2015-06-02T15:59:49 < Laurenceb__> fucking finally
2015-06-02T15:59:51 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/bo2vQmk.jpg
2015-06-02T16:01:20 < Laurenceb__> i still want eps with embedded jpg for the plot area, but it segfaults epstool :-/
2015-06-02T16:01:22 < Laurenceb__> i suck
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2015-06-02T16:15:08 < englishman> here is typical canadian activity http://i.imgur.com/Jn7Qiaj.gifv
2015-06-02T16:16:20 < dongs> haha
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2015-06-02T16:19:08 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb__ "working" https://i.imgur.com/NQaWUpa.webm
2015-06-02T16:26:58 < dongs> pretty sure you misspelled "wanking"
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2015-06-02T16:54:14 < dongs> http://mashable.com/2015/06/02/japan-cardboard-theater/ japs
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2015-06-02T17:47:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVk5jTHRUbnlaWmM/view?usp=sharing
2015-06-02T17:47:46 < kakimir> #farmer
2015-06-02T17:53:10 < jpa-> a bit late this year?
2015-06-02T17:53:16 < jpa-> was it too wet there also?
2015-06-02T17:55:14 < kakimir> like 2weeks late
2015-06-02T17:55:29 < kakimir> 2-3
2015-06-02T18:01:10 < emeb> jpa-: thx for IR stuff - got it working: https://github.com/emeb/lightshow
2015-06-02T18:04:47 < jpa-> :)
2015-06-02T18:06:01 < jpa-> ir_state_mchn   is that short for munching?
2015-06-02T18:06:29 < emeb> uh... yeah.
2015-06-02T18:07:17 < emeb> seems the ir_decode_code() is kinda redundant
2015-06-02T18:07:44 < jpa-> it'd probably optimize better if the words were in reverse order
2015-06-02T18:08:02 < jpa-> but i was too lazy to invert them :)
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2015-06-02T18:15:44 < Laurenceb__> lolwut
2015-06-02T18:15:45 < Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Serbian_Film#Plot
2015-06-02T18:15:58 < Laurenceb__> reads like something 4chan came up with
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2015-06-02T18:32:34 < karlp> I've heard that's one of the vilest movies around.
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2015-06-02T18:33:00 < karlp> friends said they were a bit broken in the head after watching, and couldn't in any good concsience recommend anyone to ever watch it
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2015-06-02T19:25:18 < GargantuaSauce> http://a.pomf.se/ueyvxk.webm
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2015-06-02T20:39:16 < byves> hi there!
2015-06-02T20:40:09 < byves> i was looking for me help with a stm32l0 project i'm working on
2015-06-02T20:42:14 < byves> i can't configure 3 channel PWM outputs with TIM2
2015-06-02T20:42:24 < byves> i can only get channel 1 to work
2015-06-02T20:43:55 < byves> i'm using stm32 hal functions.. do you know of some bugs in the configuration of the tim2 regs?
2015-06-02T20:45:05 < englishman> hal as in stm32cube stuff?
2015-06-02T20:45:24 < byves> that stuff exactly..
2015-06-02T20:45:30 < byves> :)
2015-06-02T20:46:20 < englishman> dono i find that stuff mega buggy and difficult to use :(
2015-06-02T20:46:52 < englishman> did you set up all your gpios, AFs, etc etc
2015-06-02T20:47:13 < byves> its odd cause i followed the registers with the debugger and they seamed correct
2015-06-02T20:47:18 < byves> yes..
2015-06-02T20:47:42 < byves> its working for the first channel
2015-06-02T20:47:54 < byves> the configuration is the same for all of them
2015-06-02T20:49:05 < byves> you know of some enable bit for multichannel op?
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2015-06-02T20:54:44 < englishman> well pretty much you set up the timer with base freq then set up each channel
2015-06-02T20:54:54 < englishman> so you do a fair amount of stuff multiple times
2015-06-02T20:55:54 < englishman> but, im really only familiar with old stdperiphlib way to do it :(
2015-06-02T20:58:34 < byves> ok.. tks anyway
2015-06-02T21:03:05 < jpa-> byves: check the registers using a debugger and compare to datasheet?
2015-06-02T21:05:23 < byves> yes.. a believe they are correct
2015-06-02T21:05:31 < byves> and the sequence too
2015-06-02T21:05:40 < byves> but i'll double check
2015-06-02T21:05:40 < jpa-> sequence?
2015-06-02T21:06:08 < byves> first initialize the gpio to AF
2015-06-02T21:06:14 < byves> the the TIM2
2015-06-02T21:06:29 < jpa-> oh well, the order of things does not matter with the timer
2015-06-02T21:06:43 < byves> at alst the  OC stuff
2015-06-02T21:07:26 < jpa-> but when you have the register values, post them here and maybe someone will doublecheck
2015-06-02T21:08:14 < byves> the enable bits seem to be in place, the compare regs too, also the timer confs (they work with ch1)
2015-06-02T21:08:38 < byves> i'll copy them
2015-06-02T21:13:12 < byves> you think it could have anything to do with the synch config between channels
2015-06-02T21:14:18 < byves> i didn't look at that
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2015-06-02T21:35:42 < jpa-> great success, when byves returns tell him about the great invention of pastebin
2015-06-02T21:36:00 < jpa-> instead of pasting bazillion lines to my priv
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2015-06-02T21:37:20 < jpa-> just use pastebin
2015-06-02T21:37:44 < byves> ?? i'm using a web client
2015-06-02T21:37:53 < jpa-> pastebin.com
2015-06-02T21:37:55 < jpa-> then post a link
2015-06-02T21:38:11 < jpa-> and then stick around until someone else bothers to do stuff, i'm going to sleep now
2015-06-02T21:39:05 < byves> http://pastebin.com/73xSELEi
2015-06-02T21:39:13 < byves> ok.. tks anyway
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2015-06-02T21:44:10 < jpa-> hmm, so
2015-06-02T21:45:05 < jpa-> byves: seems you only have channel 1 and 2 enabled in CCER?
2015-06-02T21:48:38 < jpa-> otherwise seems reasonable
2015-06-02T21:54:47 < byves> yes
2015-06-02T21:55:02 < byves> i took that shot befor finishing the 3rd config
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2015-06-02T21:55:31 < byves> CCER 0x00000111
2015-06-02T21:55:42 < byves> its the final value
2015-06-02T21:57:20 < byves> i'm now trying to figure out why the SR = 0x1F .. these flags should be cleared?
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2015-06-03T00:53:21 < qyx_> http://www.alu-diecasting.com/communication-accessories/142.html#
2015-06-03T00:53:24 < qyx_> lol, filter?
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2015-06-03T03:06:15 < zyp> hmm, the PA12 errata on F427 is ugly
2015-06-03T03:06:42 < zyp> fixed in rev 3, so I hope that's what distributors stock nowadays
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2015-06-03T03:41:40 < dongs> whats PA12
2015-06-03T03:45:51 < zyp> one of the usb pins
2015-06-03T03:46:21 < dongs> hah, what did they managed to fuck up?
2015-06-03T03:46:22 < emeb> rev 3? I've got 2x rev Y here.
2015-06-03T03:46:28 < emeb> USB seems to work fine.
2015-06-03T03:46:41 < dongs> of 427?
2015-06-03T03:47:22 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/DM00068628.pdf <- see page 14
2015-06-03T03:47:54 < emeb> haha
2015-06-03T03:47:55 < zyp> using PA12 can corrupt data read from the second flash bank
2015-06-03T03:49:07 < dongs> that is just great
2015-06-03T03:49:24 < zyp> my board uses PA12 for usb, and the whole reason for switching to f427 is to get the extra flash bank, so either I get rev 3 or it's pointless :p
2015-06-03T03:49:49 < zyp> and yes, it sounds hilariously dumb
2015-06-03T03:49:52 < dongs> revision is on the chip right?
2015-06-03T03:49:56 < zyp> yes
2015-06-03T03:49:59 < dongs> i mean labeled
2015-06-03T03:50:03 < zyp> I believe so
2015-06-03T03:50:20 < emeb> Yes - it's just to the right of the ST logo
2015-06-03T03:50:22 < dongs> find what it is
2015-06-03T03:50:28 < emeb> mine says Y
2015-06-03T03:50:29 < dongs> i can get chinagirl to take pix of exact parts you;re getting
2015-06-03T03:50:42 < dongs> whereas with mouser you'll order and not know until it arrives ;)
2015-06-03T03:50:47 < zyp> good
2015-06-03T03:50:48 < emeb> Pot luck!
2015-06-03T03:51:32 < zyp> otherwise they're claiming 100% pin compatibility with f407, so I don't see any other reason it shouldn't work
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2015-06-03T03:51:48 < zyp> oh, another thing I want to change
2015-06-03T03:52:01 < zyp> the leds are awfully bright, at least the green ones
2015-06-03T03:52:30 < zyp> I want either less bright leds or a different resistor value
2015-06-03T03:52:49 < zyp> IIRC the resistors are all 220 now
2015-06-03T03:52:57 < dongs> what was it 220?
2015-06-03T03:53:01 < dongs> yeah, and I didnt have 220 so i used 249
2015-06-03T03:53:10 < dongs> i g ot some 360R
2015-06-03T03:53:14 < dongs> on reel
2015-06-03T03:53:28 < zyp> what do you usually use for those leds?
2015-06-03T03:53:37 < dongs> 100R ;d
2015-06-03T03:53:46 < dongs> i like being blinded.
2015-06-03T03:53:52 < zyp> hah
2015-06-03T03:53:59 < dongs> i think the green shit would still be visible with 1k
2015-06-03T03:55:34 < zyp> I think the yellow one was fine, I don't remember the red one, but being bright would probably not matter for that
2015-06-03T03:56:09 < zyp> but the green shouldn't be too bright since those are just indicating power and everything normal
2015-06-03T03:57:08 < dongs> swap to 1k and see, thats the next up thing i haev on reel
2015-06-03T03:57:16 < dongs> i haev 75, 100, 249, 360, 1k
2015-06-03T04:07:52 < zyp> I'll take a look tomorrow
2015-06-03T04:12:41 < dongs> did you find revision mark
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2015-06-03T04:42:30 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/K06v7bk.gifv
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2015-06-03T04:46:03 < dongs> what did he think was gonna hapen
2015-06-03T05:03:58 < dongs> i hope the plastic went up his ass
2015-06-03T05:04:02 < dongs> cuz it sorta looked like it
2015-06-03T05:04:37 < dongs> you would be an expert on that surely
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2015-06-03T05:09:51 < dongs> zyp: beep ngr
2015-06-03T05:10:18 < zyp> hmm?
2015-06-03T05:10:24 < dongs> where is revision id
2015-06-03T05:10:27 < dongs> i got pix of the chipz
2015-06-03T05:10:35 < zyp> 02:50:20 < emeb> Yes - it's just to the right of the ST logo
2015-06-03T05:10:49 < dongs> e4?
2015-06-03T05:10:59 < zyp> can I see the pics?
2015-06-03T05:11:00 < dongs> in a circle
2015-06-03T05:11:01 < dongs> y
2015-06-03T05:11:02 < dongs> sec
2015-06-03T05:11:03 < dongs> saving
2015-06-03T05:11:52 < dongs> imgur is down, GREAT
2015-06-03T05:11:58 < zyp> haha
2015-06-03T05:12:04 < dongs> oh no, just slow
2015-06-03T05:12:06 < dongs> k loading slowly
2015-06-03T05:12:09 < zyp> works for me
2015-06-03T05:12:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hAM4Xmo.png
2015-06-03T05:12:51 < dongs> looks like e4 to me
2015-06-03T05:13:00 < zyp> no, that's rev Y
2015-06-03T05:13:17 < dongs> so thats trash?
2015-06-03T05:13:41 < zyp> unfortunately :(
2015-06-03T05:14:08 < emeb> def rev Y
2015-06-03T05:14:16 < dongs> so what should corret one say?
2015-06-03T05:14:18 < dongs> Z? X?
2015-06-03T05:14:23 < zyp> 3
2015-06-03T05:14:26 < dongs> oh.
2015-06-03T05:14:48 < zyp> according to datasheet, there's revisions A, Y, 1, 3 respectively
2015-06-03T05:14:49 < emeb> I was looking on a 144-pin pkg - layout is a bit different from the 100pin
2015-06-03T05:15:05 < zyp> all but 3 have the PA12 bug
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2015-06-03T05:24:16 < englishman> imgur is dead
2015-06-03T05:24:23 < englishman> long live google photos
2015-06-03T05:25:16 < dongs> zyp, the other one is 'A'
2015-06-03T05:25:22 < dongs> so nope on that one to.
2015-06-03T05:25:27 < dongs>  mean from other guy.
2015-06-03T05:26:00 < englishman> When PA12 is used as GPIO or alternate function in input or output mode, the data read
2015-06-03T05:26:00 < englishman> from Flash memory can be corrupted.
2015-06-03T05:26:08 < englishman> cool
2015-06-03T05:26:15 < dongs> how do you even fuck that up
2015-06-03T05:26:23 < englishman> so, what mode can it be
2015-06-03T05:26:26 < englishman> ain only?
2015-06-03T05:26:28 < dongs> none
2015-06-03T05:26:29 < dongs> yes
2015-06-03T05:26:32 < dongs> grounded ain
2015-06-03T05:26:34 < dongs> lolz.
2015-06-03T05:26:39 < englishman> tqfp99
2015-06-03T05:26:40 < dongs> it says below the 'resolution'
2015-06-03T05:27:45 < englishman> seems you also lose usb hs?
2015-06-03T05:28:13 < dongs> one of FS
2015-06-03T05:28:33 < dongs> zyp, theres' '5'
2015-06-03T05:28:44 < zyp> wat?
2015-06-03T05:28:51 < dongs> getting pics
2015-06-03T05:28:56 < dongs> the revision thing.
2015-06-03T05:29:01 < zyp> new enough that it's not even mentioned in errata sheet yet?
2015-06-03T05:29:11 < dongs> or a super cool clone
2015-06-03T05:29:52 < zyp> oh, by the way, F429 should also fit
2015-06-03T05:30:00 < zyp> so if they have rev3 of that, that'll work
2015-06-03T05:31:36 < dongs> isnt 429 even MORE expensive
2015-06-03T05:32:20 < dongs> one guy says they are getting some new trays in on friday, maybe those will be new stock
2015-06-03T05:32:24 < zyp> well, regardless of price, a defective part doesn't have a good cost to usefullness ratio
2015-06-03T05:32:47 < englishman> new trays from someone else's old stock? :)
2015-06-03T05:33:08 < dongs> nah
2015-06-03T05:33:14 < dongs> also, ST labels on packed trays are marked too
2015-06-03T05:33:26 < dongs> trace code + Marking text has revision number.
2015-06-03T05:33:53 < dongs> ah, e4 is category
2015-06-03T05:34:02 < dongs> some ecopack trash
2015-06-03T05:36:54 < zyp> I mailed mouser asking what they have
2015-06-03T05:37:20 < zyp> anyway, I'd like to see pics of that 5 when you get them
2015-06-03T05:38:11 < dongs> hokay.
2015-06-03T05:38:16 < dongs> ill let you know if i get something
2015-06-03T05:38:23 < dongs> so 429VI rev3 also works?
2015-06-03T05:38:31 < dongs> are you saying 429VI also has same errata?
2015-06-03T05:39:51 < zyp> yes, they even share the errata sheet
2015-06-03T05:43:44 < dongs> no wonder zano chose PIC32
2015-06-03T05:43:54 < dongs> much better quality than this french/italian garbage
2015-06-03T05:44:06 < zyp> haha
2015-06-03T05:53:24 < emeb> just use F3xx for everything - avoids all problems. :P
2015-06-03T05:54:35 < zyp> especially when you rely on the built in bootloader? ;)
2015-06-03T05:54:40 < emeb> Yes!
2015-06-03T05:54:50 < dongs> you mean the one that was missing off half of them?
2015-06-03T05:54:57 < dongs> more quality italian shit
2015-06-03T05:55:09 < emeb> "Oh, never mind that..."
2015-06-03T05:55:19 < dongs> i never did follow up on that shit
2015-06-03T05:55:25 < emeb> All's fine now...
2015-06-03T05:55:27 < dongs> still got about 10 or so 373s with deadloader
2015-06-03T05:55:28 < emeb> I checked
2015-06-03T05:55:32 < zyp> yeah, they loaded the 38x bootloader into 37x parts
2015-06-03T05:55:32 < dongs> ya i bet
2015-06-03T05:55:47 < dongs> zyp, before that, they didn't load usb bootloader on 372 parts
2015-06-03T05:55:50 < dongs> only uart.
2015-06-03T05:56:06 < zyp> exactly, 38x doesn't have dfu
2015-06-03T05:56:11 < dongs> oh, haha.
2015-06-03T05:56:15 < dongs> was that in errata
2015-06-03T05:56:19 < zyp> so that's why I assume that's what they loaded into 37x
2015-06-03T05:56:37 < zyp> don't think so, probably didn't require a new die
2015-06-03T05:56:47 < zyp> so they just silently fixed it :p
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2015-06-03T06:37:44 < upgrdman> im dicking with a pic24 at work
2015-06-03T06:37:57 < emeb_mac> PIC24 isn't bad
2015-06-03T06:38:07 < emeb_mac> I've got a prototype on the bench with that now
2015-06-03T06:38:19 < emeb_mac> PIC32 is MIPS
2015-06-03T06:38:29 < emeb_mac> dsPIC and PIC24 are similar arch
2015-06-03T06:38:35 < upgrdman> i was surprised that the pic im dicking with is max 32MHz
2015-06-03T06:38:38 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-06-03T06:39:09 < upgrdman> using CCS at work. not liking it, but it works.
2015-06-03T06:40:03 < upgrdman> did my first DMA trash today. was easy enough.
2015-06-03T06:43:20 < GargantuaSauce> whatcha workin on these days upgrdman
2015-06-03T06:44:49 < dongs> ...
2015-06-03T06:44:55 < dongs> R2COM: its the zano PIC
2015-06-03T06:45:12 < GargantuaSauce> PICs or it didn't happen
2015-06-03T06:47:41 < englishman> no its amazing
2015-06-03T06:48:06 < englishman> can process 720p60 mjpg while flying dronez
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2015-06-03T06:49:48 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, not much for fun now that im a pro ee troll. at work im working on what's basically a 14-channel data logger. 7 channels of voltage and 7 channels of current.
2015-06-03T06:50:16 < upgrdman> firmware was trivial. software is cleaning up nicely.
2015-06-03T06:50:21 < GargantuaSauce> ah yeah the dayjob has eaten me too. that sounds pretty cool though
2015-06-03T06:50:31 < upgrdman> able to graph o-scope roll mode style, and do FFTs and histograms
2015-06-03T06:51:16 < upgrdman> i fell kinda bad doing the software in java, but the boss doesn't mind.
2015-06-03T06:51:49 < GargantuaSauce> eh whatever gets the job done
2015-06-03T06:53:13 < upgrdman> as a side note, i fucking hate the tektronix tds210. what a piece of shit.
2015-06-03T06:53:29 < upgrdman> luckily they're willing to spend ~15k on a new scope for me
2015-06-03T06:55:13 < dongs> nice
2015-06-03T06:55:19 < dongs> get a dpo4k-something
2015-06-03T06:55:58 < englishman> digital penis oscilloscope 4000
2015-06-03T06:56:21 < dongs> i'll sell you my old DPO4034 for 15k
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2015-06-03T06:56:34 < dongs> all options included.
2015-06-03T06:56:41 < englishman> hax
2015-06-03T06:57:05 < dongs> um i upgraded to mdo4104-6 like last year
2015-06-03T06:57:19 < dongs> looks like going price for 4034 is around 6k
2015-06-03T06:57:25 < dongs> http://www.used-line.com/oscilloscopes/digital/tektronix-dpo4034/item-10400990
2015-06-03T06:57:38 < dongs> i can do that, too
2015-06-03T06:58:31 < dongs> We offer 30 days warranty & 5 days right of refusal for all items.
2015-06-03T06:58:35 < dongs> i'll offer 30 days warranty
2015-06-03T06:58:37 < dongs> that it works
2015-06-03T06:58:42 < dongs> lole
2015-06-03T06:58:56 < dongs> for used? i'd seriously doubt it
2015-06-03T07:00:11 < englishman> dongs is adjustability of 2415q ok or should i put on vesa arm mount
2015-06-03T07:00:12 < dongs> Equipment Sales
2015-06-03T07:00:13 < dongs> 6-month warranty (90-day for resellers)
2015-06-03T07:00:16 < dongs> axiomtest place
2015-06-03T07:00:17 < dongs> wehre i got the mdo
2015-06-03T07:00:25 < dongs> englishman: it can go pretty high
2015-06-03T07:00:36 < dongs> and flip front/back
2015-06-03T07:00:43 < dongs> no left/right motion if you need that then you'll need arm
2015-06-03T07:00:50 < englishman> flip?
2015-06-03T07:00:54 < dongs> tilt?
2015-06-03T07:00:58 < englishman> like to show guy on other side of cubicle?
2015-06-03T07:00:59 < englishman> tilt
2015-06-03T07:01:00 < dongs> anywa,y the stand can go high enough to portrait it
2015-06-03T07:01:05 < englishman> hm
2015-06-03T07:01:10 < dongs> so there's that.
2015-06-03T07:01:20 < dongs> and no, no flip , just tilt
2015-06-03T07:01:27 < dongs> maybe around 30deg?
2015-06-03T07:01:30 < englishman> ok should work
2015-06-03T07:01:31 < dongs> roughly i duno.
2015-06-03T07:01:34 < englishman> designing desks
2015-06-03T07:01:38 < dongs> laff
2015-06-03T07:01:54 < englishman> y
2015-06-03T07:01:59 < englishman> i have chance to optimize
2015-06-03T07:02:22 < englishman> finally a work surface at a height i want
2015-06-03T07:02:38 < englishman> and shelves with proper gaps for my storage boxes
2015-06-03T07:02:43 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251940039314 5.7k
2015-06-03T07:02:45 < dongs> mmh
2015-06-03T07:02:49 < dongs> i should sell mine soon.
2015-06-03T07:02:51 < dongs> or else it'll be worthless
2015-06-03T07:08:03 < dongs> 350mhz was getting kinda shit for some of the work
2015-06-03T07:08:07 < dongs> and because spectrum analyzer
2015-06-03T07:09:09 < dongs> um
2015-06-03T07:09:12 < dongs> new one is 1ghz
2015-06-03T07:09:21 < dongs> so.. im sure 350 is doable?
2015-06-03T07:09:24 < dongs> no idea
2015-06-03T07:09:31 < dongs> its not the kinda shit i wanna take apart or care about
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2015-06-03T07:10:53 < dongs> < dongs> um i upgraded to mdo4104-6 like last year
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2015-06-03T07:14:23 < dongs> it works fine for my purposes
2015-06-03T07:14:36 < dongs> i dont care what that australian sellout thinks
2015-06-03T07:15:58 < upgrdman> any vmware workstation or fusion pro's here?
2015-06-03T07:16:28 < dongs> i use vmware, what pro tips do you need
2015-06-03T07:16:46 < dongs> not fusion tho cuz im nto a MAC FAGOT
2015-06-03T07:17:43 < englishman> not in anything new or worthwhile
2015-06-03T07:17:47 < upgrdman> dongs, on my host i have some udp server serving to localhost. on my vm, i want to get those udp packets. they ain't coming. much sad.
2015-06-03T07:18:16 < dongs> wut
2015-06-03T07:18:20 < dongs> how do you even expect that to work
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2015-06-03T07:18:27 < upgrdman> magic
2015-06-03T07:18:33 < upgrdman> how could i make it work :)
2015-06-03T07:18:50 < dongs> you want to receive UDP that your host machine will receive?
2015-06-03T07:18:56 < dongs> inside a VM?
2015-06-03T07:18:59 < dongs> not  going to happen
2015-06-03T07:19:00 < upgrdman> dongs, yes
2015-06-03T07:19:08 < upgrdman> ok
2015-06-03T07:19:11 < dongs> unless you send udp to broadcast or whatever
2015-06-03T07:19:19 < dongs> and then everyone will get them
2015-06-03T07:19:35 < upgrdman> bcast is n.n.n.255?
2015-06-03T07:19:43 < upgrdman> like 192.168.1.255
2015-06-03T07:19:47 < GargantuaSauce> use multicast if shit supports it
2015-06-03T07:20:07 < GargantuaSauce> it's a bit more complicated though, requires clients to subscribe using igmp
2015-06-03T07:20:39 < upgrdman> no multicast
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2015-06-03T07:21:44 < dongs> next question is
2015-06-03T07:21:46 < dongs> WHY do you want this?
2015-06-03T07:22:00 < dongs> because it sounds kinda insane no matter how i try to understand it
2015-06-03T07:22:53 < upgrdman> test environment. udp server and software run on different OSs
2015-06-03T07:22:59 < upgrdman> not my choices.
2015-06-03T07:23:02 < dongs> yes and?
2015-06-03T07:23:08 < upgrdman> real environment is multiple pc's
2015-06-03T07:23:16 < upgrdman> my fucking test environment is this laptop
2015-06-03T07:23:23 < dongs> what is stopping you from just loading up a bunch of VMs, setting up an isolated vm network and testing all that shit there?R
2015-06-03T07:23:36 < dongs> yeah, so make like 2-3-4 vms running whatever shit it needs and go?
2015-06-03T07:23:39 < upgrdman> ok ya that would work
2015-06-03T07:23:45 < dongs> you can have a virutal netwrok in vmware thats not connceted to anythign else
2015-06-03T07:23:51 < upgrdman> was hoping it might be trivialer
2015-06-03T07:24:07 < dongs> nope
2015-06-03T07:24:58 < GargantuaSauce> is there some reason i'm missing why the server can't just send the udp packets to the vm guest's ip?
2015-06-03T07:25:10 < dongs> right
2015-06-03T07:27:14 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, iirc by default the virtual network adapter is NAT'd to the host, so same ip?
2015-06-03T07:28:04 < GargantuaSauce> oh yeah by default, but that sucks get rid of it
2015-06-03T07:28:55 < GargantuaSauce> i cant remember what they call it in vmware lingo but it should have a configuration option to put the host NIC in promoscuous mode and give the guest another ip on the same network
2015-06-03T07:29:58 < GargantuaSauce> bridged?
2015-06-03T07:31:41 < dongs> yes bridged works
2015-06-03T07:31:43 < dongs> or liek i said
2015-06-03T07:31:56 < dongs> you can even make a separate guest-only network
2015-06-03T07:31:59 < dongs> or several of them
2015-06-03T07:32:14 < GargantuaSauce> but you cant flood your whole workplace network with packets that way, no fun
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2015-06-03T08:19:06 < dongs>  First off, the Teensy 3.1 is fast, running at 96MHz in this case. Second, it has Direct Memory Access (DMA) which [Louis] used in the Smartmatrix library. This means that driving the display takes almost no CPU time at all, leaving the rest for your own use.
2015-06-03T08:19:10 < dongs> im so fuckign sick
2015-06-03T08:19:14 < dongs> of hearing how AMAZINGLY FAST TEENSY IS
2015-06-03T08:20:04 < dongs> FUCK PAUL STOFFREGEN; PAUL STOFFREGEN SUX; PAUL STOFFREGEN IS DYING; PAUL STOFFREGEN IS DEAD TO ME; PAUL STOFFREGEN HIT WTC
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2015-06-03T08:20:20 < dongs> fuck freescale too
2015-06-03T08:20:33 < dongs> i hope NXP shitheaps all those garbage kinteis processors
2015-06-03T08:21:07 < jpa-> they'll just add some excellent LPC17xx technology
2015-06-03T08:23:36 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-06-03T08:23:49 < dongs> LPC has been and will continue being irrelevant
2015-06-03T08:23:57 < dongs> teensy trash going EOL would be awesome.
2015-06-03T08:24:22 < dongs> because that closed sores scumbag paul fuckoffregen will need to find a new way to scam dumb MAKE:rs
2015-06-03T08:25:18 < jpa-> is teensy closed sores?
2015-06-03T08:26:10 < dongs> i think it is/was at some point, I dont realyl care. pretty sure its closed hardware, and bootlaoders on old shit was closed.
2015-06-03T08:30:37 < dongs> man
2015-06-03T08:30:39 < dongs> commenters on that post
2015-06-03T08:30:41 < dongs> waht the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2015-06-03T08:30:49 < dongs> they're talkign about DMA like its the most amazing shit ever
2015-06-03T08:30:55 < dongs> AND ONLY TEENSY HAS IT WOW
2015-06-03T08:31:01 < dongs> fuck makers
2015-06-03T08:33:23 < dongs> sparkfun PCA9306 breakout is on v14
2015-06-03T08:33:32 < dongs> it took them 13 tries to get it right?
2015-06-03T08:35:09 < jpa-> you think it works now?
2015-06-03T08:35:39 < dongs> nope
2015-06-03T08:36:08 < dongs> but I see where their schematic came from
2015-06-03T08:36:19 < dongs> fig 11 in nxp datasheet
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2015-06-03T08:51:20 < upgrdman> dongs, why you mad? get even. foxconn some teensy clones and undercut them.
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2015-06-03T08:51:55 < dongs> i dont wanna touch that filth
2015-06-03T08:51:58 < dongs> fuck freescale
2015-06-03T08:52:01 < dongs> its not about undercutting
2015-06-03T08:52:13 < dongs> hes created this community of fuckwits
2015-06-03T08:52:18 < dongs> that are nearly as bad as tarduino dudes
2015-06-03T08:52:33 < dongs> so stupid, its hurts kinda thing.
2015-06-03T08:52:49 < upgrdman> k
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2015-06-03T09:25:03 < zyp> dell's not fucking around
2015-06-03T09:25:18 < zyp> just got woken up beore 8AM by my new monitor
2015-06-03T09:25:37 < dongs> nice
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2015-06-03T09:30:41 < zyp> got an U2713H as a replacement for the U2711, which is good, I guess
2015-06-03T09:31:00 < zyp> I saw U2715H is an 8bit panel
2015-06-03T09:33:29 < dongs> 2012 eh
2015-06-03T09:33:36 < dongs> nonglossy?
2015-06-03T09:33:53 < dongs> no teardowns anywhere
2015-06-03T09:33:54 < dongs> asshoels.
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2015-06-03T09:36:02 < dongs> hm
2015-06-03T09:36:13 < dongs> i guess i can fix this 1.8 I2C stuff by ghettobutting pca9306
2015-06-03T09:36:16 < dongs> i have pads for everything
2015-06-03T09:36:22 < dongs> it'll just be aannoying to do
2015-06-03T09:36:33 < dongs> fff.. or just make new pcb
2015-06-03T09:36:42 < emeb_mac> that
2015-06-03T09:36:54 < emeb_mac> you'll have to anyway, so why wait?
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2015-06-03T09:41:52 < zyp> this new thing supports daisy chaining with MST
2015-06-03T09:42:02 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-03T09:42:03 < dongs> 2415 t oo
2015-06-03T09:42:06 < dongs> it has DP "out"
2015-06-03T09:42:27 < zyp> tried plugging old monitor into dp out, looks like I'm just getting a cloned image since old monitor doesn't support MST
2015-06-03T09:42:38 < dongs> err
2015-06-03T09:42:45 < dongs> sink shouldnt need to support mst
2015-06-03T09:42:57 < dongs> how else would ipad screens and shit work via mst hub
2015-06-03T09:43:03 < zyp> idk, maybe laptop doesn't support MST then
2015-06-03T09:43:15 < dongs> you dont have option in display settings to separate instead of mirror?
2015-06-03T09:43:26 < dongs> by default it starts with mirror
2015-06-03T09:43:30 < zyp> desktop weren't happy at all when I enabled DP 1.2 on monitor
2015-06-03T09:43:35 < dongs> huhuhu
2015-06-03T09:43:40 < dongs> no surprise there
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2015-06-03T10:59:02 < dongs> well, thats weird
2015-06-03T10:59:13 < dongs> i cant get surface bro3 to display 4k @ dell 2415q
2015-06-03T10:59:20 < dongs> at 60hz that is
2015-06-03T10:59:35 < dongs> if I dont turn on MST, it ends at 2560x shit
2015-06-03T10:59:43 < dongs> if i turn that on, its 4k at 30hz
2015-06-03T10:59:44 < dongs> da fuq
2015-06-03T11:00:21 < dongs> found complaint thread
2015-06-03T11:01:49 < jpa-> maybe it only does i60 ;)
2015-06-03T11:02:27 < dongs> unlikelyt
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2015-06-03T11:03:38 < dongs> I'm using these settings in the Intel Custom Resolution dialog (driver version 10.18.10.3960):
2015-06-03T11:03:41 < dongs> Resolution: 3840 x 2160
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2015-06-03T11:03:43 < dongs> Refresh Rate: 50 Hz (this is the best we can do with the SP3's DP output, any higher maxes out the available bandwidth over the SP3's DP chipset)
2015-06-03T11:03:47 < dongs> oh, fucking great
2015-06-03T11:03:58 < dongs> how is that even possibvle cuz i was using 2 jewpad screens over MST with that
2015-06-03T11:04:03 < dongs> 2048x1536 * 2
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2015-06-03T11:13:42 < jpa-> are altium installs broken for everybody now?
2015-06-03T11:13:48 < dongs> nope
2015-06-03T11:13:49 < dongs> works here
2015-06-03T11:14:00 < jpa-> my workmate is trying to install it for two days now, downloading of files fails all the time
2015-06-03T11:14:39 < dongs> maybe they're experienceing difficuties due to immense popularity of circuitmaker
2015-06-03T11:14:48 < dongs> all those arduino shields clouding up the internet
2015-06-03T11:14:50 < jpa-> maybe
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2015-06-03T11:26:06 < dongs> k trying this 50hz hax
2015-06-03T11:32:06 < dongs> not bad
2015-06-03T11:32:36 < scrts_w> eyes are stupid!
2015-06-03T11:32:45 < scrts_w> everything above 24hz are fine... they say!
2015-06-03T11:32:46 < scrts_w> :)
2015-06-03T11:35:44 < dongs> mmm
2015-06-03T11:35:51 < dongs> made my cursor exra large BLACK
2015-06-03T11:35:52 < dongs> looks good
2015-06-03T11:36:08 < dongs> bummer about bro3 not doing 60hz tho, that kinda sounds like bullshit
2015-06-03T11:36:26 < dongs> maybe they have something inside for the docking station displayport connector
2015-06-03T11:36:30 < dongs> that reduces the bandwidth
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2015-06-03T11:47:55 < scrts_w> I always use inverted cursor
2015-06-03T11:47:59 < scrts_w> doesn't get lost
2015-06-03T11:56:49 < PeterM> [15:20] <dongs> FUCK PAUL STOFFREGEN; PAUL STOFFREGEN SUX; PAUL STOFFREGEN CAN MELT STEEL BEAMS
2015-06-03T11:59:54 < dongs> fuck that guy
2015-06-03T12:04:47 < PeterM> i google image searched him and all i could think was "this is what a feminist looks like"
2015-06-03T12:05:30 < dongs> https://www.pjrc.com/about/
2015-06-03T12:06:58 < jadew> who is that guy?
2015-06-03T12:07:03 < PeterM> i was implying he looked like a very very ugly woman
2015-06-03T12:07:15 < dongs> jadew, the teensy scammer
2015-06-03T12:07:23 < dongs> tarduino/freescame shit
2015-06-03T12:08:31 < jadew> I heard about teensy before - is the whole thing a scam or someone did a scam using the teensy name?
2015-06-03T12:09:09  * jadew never cared to look into what teensy is - it sounds arduweenish
2015-06-03T12:09:19 < dongs> the scam is that paul is a fucking dickhead
2015-06-03T12:12:20  * jadew is waiting for a seek thermal
2015-06-03T12:12:29 < jadew> anyone else got it?
2015-06-03T12:13:38 < dongs> i got a flir E4, not some toy garbage
2015-06-03T12:13:40 < dongs> from dickstarter
2015-06-03T12:13:56 < jadew> nice
2015-06-03T12:14:08 < jadew> not everyone is as rich as you are tho
2015-06-03T12:14:32 < dongs> it was only $900-something, and i haxed it into E8
2015-06-03T12:14:37 < dongs> dick thermal is what, $250?
2015-06-03T12:14:45 < jadew> I looked at E4 too, but I couldn't justify it
2015-06-03T12:14:47 < dongs> for like 1/4 less features of E4
2015-06-03T12:14:52 < jadew> I know
2015-06-03T12:15:18 < jadew> hopefully this will be enough to see which parts of a PCB heats up
2015-06-03T12:15:22 < dongs> i'd sayt even that flir lepton breakout is worth more than a dickthermal
2015-06-03T12:15:36 < dongs> and that is also around $250-ish
2015-06-03T12:15:36 < jadew> not really
2015-06-03T12:15:38 < dongs> oh?
2015-06-03T12:15:43 < dongs> isnt it same rez
2015-06-03T12:15:45 < jadew> the resolution is just too poor
2015-06-03T12:15:46 < dongs> like 90x60 or someshit
2015-06-03T12:15:51 < dongs> whats dickthermal at
2015-06-03T12:15:54 < dongs> 160x120?
2015-06-03T12:16:06 < jadew> yeah, something like that
2015-06-03T12:16:09 < dongs> i thought it was ~100xsomething
2015-06-03T12:16:12 < jadew> let me double check, I knew it's double
2015-06-03T12:16:32 < jadew> 206x156
2015-06-03T12:16:40 < dongs> 206x156
2015-06-03T12:16:42 < dongs> right
2015-06-03T12:16:46 < jadew> that's pretty good
2015-06-03T12:17:10 < jadew> not the same performance tho, but meh... I think for this use case resolution trumps performance
2015-06-03T12:17:28 < dongs> which parta are heating up is prettyt good use
2015-06-03T12:17:38 < dongs> i find pcb fuckups qiuckly this way.
2015-06-03T12:17:51 < jadew> I bet, that's why I wanted one
2015-06-03T12:18:37 < jadew> beats the hell out of touching every single component until you find the one that burns through your skin
2015-06-03T12:19:30 < jpa-> i once was looking for a short circuit with thermal cam.. turns out it was smoldering on the opposite side of pcb while i was only looking on the side with components :P
2015-06-03T12:19:58 < jadew> heh, that's something to keep in mind
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2015-06-03T13:26:19 < ehsanv> hi guys. i write a simple application to blink an LED, http://pastebin.com/wjFtgpV7
2015-06-03T13:26:43 < ehsanv> but it's not working, just LED (on portc pin 8) turn ON and
2015-06-03T13:27:15 < ehsanv> pin 8 * , and turn off quickly and again turn On, it seems the micro resets!
2015-06-03T13:27:58 < ehsanv> micro is stm32f407zgt6
2015-06-03T13:28:04 < dongs> what else is on that pin
2015-06-03T13:28:23 < ehsanv> dongs: just an LED
2015-06-03T13:28:29 < dongs> yes I mean AF
2015-06-03T13:28:31 < ehsanv> i seried a 330 Ohm
2015-06-03T13:28:46 < ehsanv> w8
2015-06-03T13:28:50 < specing> !!!
2015-06-03T13:29:00 < PeterM> he said "w8"
2015-06-03T13:29:34 < PeterM> what is w8?
2015-06-03T13:29:43 < jpa-> wait
2015-06-03T13:29:47 < jpa-> or weight
2015-06-03T13:29:58 < dongs> looks like nothing intersting
2015-06-03T13:30:03 < dongs> hookup a debugger and find out.
2015-06-03T13:30:06 < dongs> im gonna head to bath
2015-06-03T13:30:09 < ehsanv> TIM8_CH3/SDIO_D0/TIM3_CH3/ USART6_CK/ DCMI_D2/ EVENTOUT
2015-06-03T13:30:14 < ehsanv> jpa-: wait lol
2015-06-03T13:30:16 < PeterM> maybe its a 8 cylinder w configuration engine... im sure that would be heavy enough to do damage to the pin
2015-06-03T13:30:16 < dongs> yeah datasheet just finsihed loading here
2015-06-03T13:30:38 < ehsanv> PeterM: :))
2015-06-03T13:31:14 < ehsanv> guyz actually it's not mine, it's my friends
2015-06-03T13:31:32 < ehsanv> and he working on it about 2 weeks
2015-06-03T13:31:35 < ehsanv> :|
2015-06-03T13:32:19 < ehsanv> he is a geek, but no luck!
2015-06-03T13:33:07 < ehsanv> could be a hardware problem? since he build his own hardware...
2015-06-03T13:34:35 < PeterM> it could be, it could be, it could also be a sudden influx of solar radiation - we dont have enough information to know
2015-06-03T13:36:05 < ehsanv> ow, but as i know, this kind of situations occur mostly in avionics
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2015-06-03T14:15:37 < PeterM> dongs http://imgur.com/gallery/aVQFuo5
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2015-06-03T14:26:28 < rewolff> ehsanv: The most likely cause is still that you forgot to turn something on. Do you have a debugger? So can you compile without optimization and check that the variables are incrementing? As you have all of PORTC as outputs, make the delay say 100x faster than you expect a led to blink, and then just increment a variable and put it in PORTC->ODR.
2015-06-03T14:27:04 < rewolff> Now you can find a toggling bit on SOME part of PORTC. (some will toggle too fast, some will be too slow, but some will be just right).
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2015-06-03T15:04:40 < dongs> PeterM: ;p;d
2015-06-03T15:04:42 < dongs> err
2015-06-03T15:04:43 < dongs> lold
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2015-06-03T15:37:48 < dongs> CLOUD-BASED FAGGOTRY PROVIDER. FREE TRIAL NOW.
2015-06-03T15:38:07 < dongs> ONLY $9.99/month AFTER
2015-06-03T15:43:50 < karlp> upgrdman: tell me more about your 7 channel v+I device
2015-06-03T15:45:50 < jpa-> Tectu: tell me more about your pants
2015-06-03T15:47:10 < Tectu> jpa-, They are black, usually not that tight but not wide either. Most of the time I wear long ones but right now I'm wearing shorts
2015-06-03T15:48:14 < jpa-> nice
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2015-06-03T16:38:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ1kyTkgya2RmU0E/view?usp=sharing #farmerlife
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2015-06-03T16:50:02 < dongs> lole
2015-06-03T16:50:13 < dongs> richfriend in taiwan just wasted $300 on 2 "20 meter hdmi 2.0 cables'
2015-06-03T16:50:15 < dongs> which didnt work
2015-06-03T16:52:56 < specing> $300 gets me two laptops lol
2015-06-03T17:00:03 < kakimir> why no work?
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2015-06-03T17:04:49 < Laurenceb__> he got a length of rope
2015-06-03T17:10:11 < dongs> he says he bought from taobao, lulz
2015-06-03T17:10:27 < dongs> he also got a 2:6 hdmi matrix that didnt work
2015-06-03T17:11:04 < dongs> told him to get http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-uhd-cat5-elrpol.jsp?prod_id=15119 and their 2:6 matrix instead
2015-06-03T17:11:38 < kakimir> why you chinese girlfriend is in internets?
2015-06-03T17:11:41 < kakimir> your
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2015-06-03T17:13:26 < dongs> richFRIEND not richGIRLFRIEND
2015-06-03T17:13:32 < dongs> also girls dont need 4k hdmi extenders
2015-06-03T17:15:39 < Laurenceb__> parkour: leave it to the french to invent the sport of running away
2015-06-03T17:19:19 < specing> blitzkrieg: leave it to the germans to catch the french from running away
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2015-06-03T17:22:18 < dongs> netsplit?
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2015-06-03T17:28:54 < RattusRattus> dongs: I am tould you may be the right person to advice me (thnaks hackvana / andrew).  I am looking to add a 2nd TFT display to show independant content to an existing platform (in this case an AM3358 based Linux platform very similar to the beagle bone black).  the resolutions of both displays are quite small (600x120 each).  I think I can simply add a CPLD between the clock, H-sync and V-Sync lines of each display and the SoC.  If I then ...
2015-06-03T17:29:00 < RattusRattus> ... tell the SoC that it has a display twice the height (plus some to allow for the VSYNC lines) can I use A CPLD to pass the V-sync pulse, clock and hsync to display 0 for the first 120 lines, then use the CPLD to genorate a new V-sync pulse and pass it and the clock / hsync pulses for the next 120 lines to my second tft?
2015-06-03T17:29:32 < RattusRattus> will the displays cope an extra 120 lines being given to them for each frame?
2015-06-03T17:29:46 < dongs> yeah, i have hdl that pal wrote for me that does exactly that, tho its for 720p
2015-06-03T17:30:04 < RattusRattus> dongs: whoot :-)
2015-06-03T17:30:37 < dongs> but youre splitting it vertically so
2015-06-03T17:30:39 < dongs> thats even easier
2015-06-03T17:30:44 < dongs> mine does horizontal split
2015-06-03T17:31:17 < dongs> about the only thing you'll need to care is to skip one frame to get vsycn timing, then start generating it for the 2nd panel with a bit of lead
2015-06-03T17:31:33 < dongs> so your 2nd panel is ready to receive 'data' right when 1st one ends
2015-06-03T17:31:38 < RattusRattus> oh a h split would mean what, not clocking each display or just give a very long front/back portch?
2015-06-03T17:33:11 < dongs> no, you would tell soc to output 600x240(?) or wahtver, then you skip one frame to get vsync timing and double that as 'real' timing, then clock off start of data, add 120 lines, start generating vsync for 2nd panel at say lines 90+ (or whatver it requires for porch settings), and keep rgbv data going as-is without pause
2015-06-03T17:33:48 < dongs> but at line 121 you switch rgb from top to bottom paenl
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2015-06-03T17:34:08 < dongs> oh hmmmm. how would that work for framerate :)
2015-06-03T17:35:50 < RattusRattus> ok so your side by side you buffer the data lines as well so you can clock them out atr half rate.  frame rate remains the same.
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2015-06-03T17:36:31 < dongs> yeah, side by side split, buffer one line and start making hsync signals ahead of time, then switch. fps doesnt change
2015-06-03T17:36:40 < dongs> im not sure how it would work for vertical split, maybe not as easy.
2015-06-03T17:36:48 < RattusRattus> in my case (top/bottom displays) I wasn't going to even bring the RGB lines into the CPLD
2015-06-03T17:37:37 < dongs> not sure that would work.what does top display do while bottom display is getting data?
2015-06-03T17:37:44 < dongs> their vsync/porch stuff is usually pretty fixed
2015-06-03T17:37:53 < dongs> you can't just make it super long and expecti t t owrk
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2015-06-03T17:40:29 < RattusRattus> top display gets data and hsysn for the bottom display.... but because it hasn't had v sync pulse the data gets dumped.  bottom display works the same way because it's vsync pulse is 180 degrees out of phase with that of the top display
2015-06-03T17:41:07 < RattusRattus> thus the pulses LOOK correct to each display they are just presented with double the number of lines they would normally recieve
2015-06-03T17:41:39 < dongs> so fps would be half, and you'd be hoping the panel would actually work like thajt
2015-06-03T17:42:22 < RattusRattus> fps would indeed be half (but still inside the pannel controller chips acceptable timings)
2015-06-03T17:42:51 < dongs> these are like RGB thingies with DE signal and shit right
2015-06-03T17:43:16 < RattusRattus> yep
2015-06-03T17:45:04 < RattusRattus> the driver IC on the pannels will hapily do 800x480, but in this case only has 600x120 pixels connected
2015-06-03T17:45:55 < dongs> try it and see. i dont think the panel will like such long vsync without data, but who knows
2015-06-03T17:46:12 < dongs> datasheet doesnt have min/max timings for porch/pulse width/etc?
2015-06-03T17:46:44 < RattusRattus> which means it must simply ignore the rest of the horisontal line when it gets a h-sync
2015-06-03T17:47:27 < RattusRattus> I don't intend to change the timings of any of the sync pulses.  I just intend to show each display more lines than it has
2015-06-03T17:47:32 < _Sync_> have an fpga receive the image and have it generate two indep images :3
2015-06-03T17:48:32 < RattusRattus> thus ecah frame will start with a v-sync (un changed) but receive 290 odd lines (to allow for the partner display to have its vsync)
2015-06-03T17:48:35 < dongs> well see if it works. you'l;l stil need to get vsync timing and mirror it to 2nd screen with offset
2015-06-03T17:49:14 < RattusRattus> dongs: ack I just delay that pulse by 0.5 frame size
2015-06-03T17:50:03 < RattusRattus> ok time to build a test board.  I guess the right thing to do is to take in the data to the CPLD as well, that way I can make either method work...
2015-06-03T17:50:21 < _Sync_> yep
2015-06-03T17:50:24 < dongs> yeah, i'd route the data just in case
2015-06-03T17:50:49 < RattusRattus> dongs: thanks I apprecate the advice.  just talking it through helps a lot
2015-06-03T17:50:50 < _Sync_> or factor in the time needed to reroll the board
2015-06-03T17:51:17 < dongs> _Sync_: more like retroll amirite
2015-06-03T17:51:20 < RattusRattus> _Sync_: this is just a test board, I'll roll whatever works into my main pcb
2015-06-03T17:52:06 < _Sync_> ye dongs
2015-06-03T17:52:21 < _Sync_> yeah, if it's a prototype anyways, then pfft
2015-06-03T17:52:29 < RattusRattus> dongs: do you mind telling me what cpld you used?
2015-06-03T17:52:40 < dongs> needs fpga for my stuff
2015-06-03T17:52:53 < dongs> cuz like 150mhz pixclk and eeds to buffer 2560pixels*24bit
2015-06-03T17:53:09 < RattusRattus> _Sync_: indeed.  no point in adding in everything else the project needs just to find this bit did or didn't work....
2015-06-03T17:53:11 < dongs> so just used random xc6
2015-06-03T17:53:20 < RattusRattus> dongs: thanks
2015-06-03T17:54:37 < _Sync_> RattusRattus: that's one thing one of my bosses does not realize
2015-06-03T17:54:43 < _Sync_> gotta prototype stuff
2015-06-03T17:55:05 < _Sync_> "can't you just put everything in one board so we can go to mass production right away when the software works"
2015-06-03T17:55:10 < _Sync_> RIIIIGHT
2015-06-03T17:55:55 < RattusRattus> _Sync_: ack same here, but if I can get this to work it will save $ lots.  thefore they will let me build a prototye or 2 first
2015-06-03T17:56:09 < dongs> 23:54 < _Sync_> RattusRattus: that's one thing one of my bosses does not realize
2015-06-03T17:56:09 < dongs> 23:54 < _Sync_> gotta prototype stuff
2015-06-03T17:56:14 < dongs> why ghetto 600x120 stuff?
2015-06-03T17:56:23 < dongs> 6" 1080p panels are 50bux a piece
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2015-06-03T17:56:38 < specing> less
2015-06-03T17:56:57 < dongs> err
2015-06-03T17:57:00 < dongs> why the fuck  did that get pasted
2015-06-03T17:57:02 < dongs> fucking shittymouse
2015-06-03T18:00:09 < RattusRattus> dongs: yes big hi res pannels are cheep, but plastic mouldings (well toolong for) is not.  we don't build enough of our product to be able to re-tool the enclosure
2015-06-03T18:01:12 < dongs> heh yeah
2015-06-03T18:05:15 < emeb> I remember reading an article on all the crap that goes into getting good injection mouldings.
2015-06-03T18:05:36 < emeb> Seems like that's an area that's ripe for some major improvements in processing.
2015-06-03T18:06:28 < RattusRattus> our product is a small speach synthersisor for people who do not have a voice.  it needs to be very robust because often (and most crewl) people with one disability also have another, so it isn't uncommon for poor motor control meaning that they throw the unit at the wall / floor quite often.
2015-06-03T18:06:41 < hackvana> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=189
2015-06-03T18:06:45 < RattusRattus> so big panels would get damaged too easily
2015-06-03T18:07:34 < specing> RattusRattus: 3D print em
2015-06-03T18:07:40 < RattusRattus> emeb: much improvement in that sector is happening with 3d print (soft tool injection moulds can now be directly printed in a metal alloy!)
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2015-06-03T18:08:39 < RattusRattus> specing: in our case the enclosure isn't directly suitable for 3d printing, but we are watching soft tool mould printing closely as it is likly the way to go
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2015-06-03T18:25:00 < _Sync_> RattusRattus: you don't understand product design
2015-06-03T18:25:04 < _Sync_> ofc it has to break very often
2015-06-03T18:25:12 < _Sync_> so you can sell repairs for very high prices!
2015-06-03T18:25:41 < specing> yeah
2015-06-03T18:25:45 < specing> look at pc engines
2015-06-03T18:25:59 < specing> they barely get any sales because their machines last a minimum of 20 years
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2015-06-03T18:28:44 < RattusRattus> _Sync_: :-)
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2015-06-03T18:42:56 < dongs> allright time to drive out of the office
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2015-06-03T18:48:06 < Laurenceb__> lol 3d printing
2015-06-03T18:48:11 < Laurenceb__> 3d turding
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2015-06-04T01:29:11 < emeb> w00t - F373 driving full-duplex codec with two I2S ports in master/slave configuration.
2015-06-04T01:30:41 < zyp> fun
2015-06-04T01:37:31 < qyx_> btw any experience with TLV320AIC310x codecs?
2015-06-04T01:37:48 < qyx_> I am planning to use it with F411
2015-06-04T01:38:00 < emeb> what's the reason to choose that one?
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2015-06-04T01:39:27 < qyx_> stereo out + diff out for speaker, stereo mic in, mic bias
2015-06-04T01:39:32 < qyx_> and availability at farnell
2015-06-04T01:39:42 < qyx_> 2/2 channel adc+dac
2015-06-04T01:39:52 < emeb> looks like the stereo mic in gets summed to one chl
2015-06-04T01:40:51 < emeb> in the 3100 variety at least
2015-06-04T01:41:02 < qyx_> wut
2015-06-04T01:41:06 < qyx_> i am looking at 3105
2015-06-04T01:41:16 < emeb> I haven't used those specific ones, but I have done some work with the TLV320AIC parts before
2015-06-04T01:41:19 < emeb> generally OK
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2015-06-04T01:41:51 < qyx_> I'll do some devboard with them and try
2015-06-04T01:42:53 < emeb> looks fun - lots of goodies in it
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2015-06-04T01:44:23 < emeb> Mostly I've worked with WM8731 and CS4270 codecs - old stuff but easy to get, cheap
2015-06-04T01:44:47 < emeb> the WM8731 has HP amps and MIC boost + bias
2015-06-04T01:45:09 < emeb> the CS4270 doesn't have those features - just stereo line in/out
2015-06-04T01:45:23 < qyx_> meh, wolfson is unavailable, acquired by CS
2015-06-04T01:45:32 < qyx_> otherwise i would use it
2015-06-04T01:45:39 < emeb> Wolfson parts are still available AFAIK
2015-06-04T01:45:53 < qyx_> some of them yes, wm8750bl for example
2015-06-04T01:46:07 < emeb> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cirrus-Logic/WM8731SEDS-V/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtq3QB8qGen7WAQ3nuC248g%252b7lHmTcUSOA%3d
2015-06-04T01:46:20 < emeb> But I probably wouldn't use them in the future
2015-06-04T01:46:37 < emeb> the ADCs are noticeably noisier than others I've tested
2015-06-04T01:47:12 < qyx_> mhm, also those TI parts should have some input filters
2015-06-04T01:48:50 < emeb> what do you mean? You need to provide input filters, or the codec provides them?
2015-06-04T01:49:02 < emeb> Most audio codecs have proper filtering built-in.
2015-06-04T01:49:22 < emeb> continuous time LPF anti-alias prior to the sigma-delta ADCs
2015-06-04T01:49:38 < emeb> works fine as long as you keep the sample rate sufficiently high
2015-06-04T01:50:24 < qyx_> no, i mean noise suppression, notch and such
2015-06-04T01:50:39 < emeb> Oh right - the "effects" processor.
2015-06-04T01:50:43 < qyx_> yep
2015-06-04T01:50:50 < emeb> Interesting idea. Most codecs don't have that.
2015-06-04T01:51:33 < emeb> Analog Devices makes some fun ones with such though -> http://www.analog.com/en/products/processors-dsp/sigmadsp-audio-processors/adau1701.html
2015-06-04T01:51:40 < emeb> serious DSP in those
2015-06-04T01:51:46 < emeb> and the price isn't outrageous.
2015-06-04T01:54:36 < qyx_> i saw "booting"
2015-06-04T01:54:44 < qyx_> it looks like you have to load firmware inside
2015-06-04T01:54:49 < emeb> yup
2015-06-04T01:55:13 < emeb> they've got a pretty slick GUI-based DSP development tool
2015-06-04T01:55:15 < qyx_> easy to use SigmaStudio(tm)
2015-06-04T01:55:20 < emeb> that
2015-06-04T01:55:21 < qyx_> uh
2015-06-04T01:55:44 < emeb> drag-n-drop functions onto a signal flow diagram, set parameters & spew code.
2015-06-04T01:56:16 < emeb> good for folks who don't care to learn what's going on inside. maybe not so wonderful if you want to play with the guts.
2015-06-04T01:56:49 < zyp> I think one of my former coworkers were working on a project using that once
2015-06-04T01:57:04 < qyx_> neat features, although probably overkill for my intended use case as a remote "handset"
2015-06-04T01:57:11 < emeb> definitely
2015-06-04T01:57:21 < qyx_> that TI part is overkill too though
2015-06-04T01:57:23 < emeb> big pkg too
2015-06-04T01:58:00 < qyx_> probably pwm sound output and 12bit ADC  would suffice
2015-06-04T01:58:19 < emeb> here's a bare-bones codec for cheap -> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AK4554VT/974-1020-1-ND/2333406
2015-06-04T01:58:23 < qyx_> but this looks much arduin
2015-06-04T01:58:32 < emeb> those AKM parts have really good specs
2015-06-04T01:58:41 < emeb> no I2C required for setup either.
2015-06-04T02:00:13 < qyx_> asahi kasei, kawaii
2015-06-04T02:01:22 < qyx_> it does have some sort of serial configuration interface
2015-06-04T02:02:14 < emeb> you sure?
2015-06-04T02:02:27 < qyx_> actually no
2015-06-04T02:02:33 < qyx_> it doesn't
2015-06-04T02:02:55 < emeb> doesn't have headset drivers tho, so not good for your app
2015-06-04T02:03:05 < qyx_> i misread sdti/sdto as config interface
2015-06-04T02:03:11 < emeb> right
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2015-06-04T03:24:05 < dongs> fucking pro
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2015-06-04T03:54:08 < superbia> social lubricant
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2015-06-04T04:14:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2UuTTSlrHc
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2015-06-04T04:23:30 < karlp> qyx_: what do you do with the codecs you were asking about to question adc noise? is this audio stuff, or just using the codecs for somethign else?
2015-06-04T04:32:14 < dongs> more like abusing
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2015-06-04T04:44:02 < dongs> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/03/famous-japanese-spa-closed-after-string-of-orgies-revealed attn zyp
2015-06-04T04:46:54 < emeb> "Bad Trance Song 5K"
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2015-06-04T05:34:26 < dongs> heh wire mesh is cheap
2015-06-04T05:34:33 < dongs> bought a 100meter spool of that shit for like nothing
2015-06-04T05:34:45 < dongs> the plastic spool probly costs more
2015-06-04T05:45:39 < dongs> http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/wri/5013690244.html
2015-06-04T05:48:25 < dongs> http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/tfr/5056127957.html
2015-06-04T05:49:39 < ReadError> so a gay in japan but a white guy?
2015-06-04T05:49:46 < ReadError> gay pron*
2015-06-04T05:51:10 < emeb_mac> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6J2P6lmG44
2015-06-04T05:51:18 < emeb_mac> arduino-flavored water
2015-06-04T05:52:00 < dongs> lool
2015-06-04T05:52:45 < emeb_mac> Because people can't be trusted to drink when they're thirsty
2015-06-04T05:53:03 < dongs> emeb_mac: is that on dickstarter
2015-06-04T05:53:20 < emeb_mac> If it isn't they're missing an opportunity
2015-06-04T05:53:28 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/905031711/trago-the-worlds-first-smart-water-bottle maybe its this
2015-06-04T05:56:32 < englishman> genius
2015-06-04T05:56:40 < dongs> tarduino pro mini
2015-06-04T05:56:46 < dongs> and HC04 ultrasonic
2015-06-04T05:56:48 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/904/691/2fb76a0b8dfd26e8be8b72f2fc0a17dd_original.png?v=1433212513&w=680&h=&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=af8966c5b67541cd88b058d9fe6a0ca8
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2015-06-04T05:56:53 < dongs> this is some pro shit
2015-06-04T05:57:04 < englishman> look at orig prototype
2015-06-04T05:57:09 < dongs> Who wants to charge their water bottle? No One! We designed Trago to run for approximately 6 months on a common replaceable battery that can be found at your local drug/grocery store.
2015-06-04T05:57:11 < englishman> unpowered DIP arduino
2015-06-04T05:57:27 < dongs> i sure hope they're not hoping ot run a tarduino off coin cell for 6 months
2015-06-04T05:57:30 < dongs> 6 hours maybe
2015-06-04T06:03:55 < GargantuaSauce> maybe they're referring to those 6v lantern batteries
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2015-06-04T06:27:53 < upgrdman> lantern coin cells.
2015-06-04T06:28:45 < ReadError> they should use lemon batteries
2015-06-04T06:28:51 < ReadError> so you can flavor your water while you power
2015-06-04T06:29:18 < dongs> ipad screens from my chinaguy dropped $10 in price
2015-06-04T06:29:20 < dongs> not bad
2015-06-04T06:31:17 < englishman> meanwhile chromedick dixel panels are dirt cheap with high availability
2015-06-04T06:31:37 < dongs> well, hey, im feeling unproductive enough to bring up that project and rotate the conenctor.
2015-06-04T06:31:41 < dongs> thanks for reminding.
2015-06-04T06:31:47 < englishman> i nag because i love
2015-06-04T06:32:16 < englishman> i even put 13" panels in sketchup when designing desks, btw
2015-06-04T06:33:08 < dongs> youtube?
2015-06-04T06:33:20 < dongs> rite
2015-06-04T06:33:24 < dongs> the obvious answer
2015-06-04T06:33:29 < dongs> there's a couple otehr good oens there
2015-06-04T06:39:03 < englishman> related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylA3JQnm3XI
2015-06-04T06:47:17 < dongs> gotta tear down that board
2015-06-04T06:47:28 < dongs> move wled driver on bottom, dc/dc on top, or else connector looks gay
2015-06-04T06:47:30 < dongs> the englishman shit
2015-06-04T06:51:15 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/935235616/minimax-the-portable-professional-high-dpi-display?ref=category this
2015-06-04T06:52:31 < englishman> more pixels, lower price
2015-06-04T06:53:00 < englishman> 2048x1536 for $50
2015-06-04T06:53:15 < dongs> that one was dum tho
2015-06-04T06:53:17 < englishman> chromebook panel is even more better
2015-06-04T06:53:20 < dongs> $130 for controller
2015-06-04T06:53:25 < dongs> that was the chromebook dixel controller
2015-06-04T06:53:36 < ReadError> ya but unfunded
2015-06-04T06:53:38 < englishman> o it is
2015-06-04T06:53:41 < dongs> Board On! Receive the proprietary Sencha Display Board (board only) for your own daring DIY means. Comes with a free Kickstarter exclusive Sencha Electronics T-shirt and keychain.
2015-06-04T06:53:44 < dongs> Estimated delivery: Jan 2015
2015-06-04T06:53:55 < englishman> 2k what
2015-06-04T06:53:57 < englishman> resolution?
2015-06-04T06:54:16 < dongs> like < $100 total??
2015-06-04T06:54:22 < dongs> incl all shipping
2015-06-04T06:55:50 < englishman> im currently IRCing on ipad panel with abusemark panel so ya
2015-06-04T06:56:03 < englishman> abusemark adapter
2015-06-04T06:56:19 < dongs> they cheated and got a reverse cable made
2015-06-04T06:56:29 < dongs> so DP connector is kinda nice there
2015-06-04T06:58:35 < dongs> R2COM: i've sold 2300 adapters and 520 screen kits
2015-06-04T06:58:47 < englishman> cool
2015-06-04T06:59:06 < dongs> oh i duno, they wanted too much $ for the sh it.
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2015-06-04T07:08:28 < ReadError> time2play the what will i forget to order from mouser game
2015-06-04T07:09:49 < ReadError> digikey sux
2015-06-04T07:10:17 < englishman> mauser sux
2015-06-04T07:10:31 < englishman> worst search ever
2015-06-04T07:10:31 < ReadError> digikey be all like, charging tax
2015-06-04T07:10:34 < ReadError> wat
2015-06-04T07:10:37 < englishman> american problems
2015-06-04T07:10:40 < ReadError> no see i figured out the other day
2015-06-04T07:10:45 < ReadError> whats fucked w/ digikey
2015-06-04T07:10:51 < ReadError> when you select options w/ parametric
2015-06-04T07:10:56 < ReadError> you cant unselect 1 thing
2015-06-04T07:11:02 < ReadError> and it doesnt show what you previously selected
2015-06-04T07:11:10 < englishman> with mauser
2015-06-04T07:11:14 < englishman> when you search for something
2015-06-04T07:11:24 < englishman> it hides what youre actually searching for
2015-06-04T07:11:31 < englishman> and displays something else instead
2015-06-04T07:11:52 < ReadError> englishman ?
2015-06-04T07:12:16 < englishman> and they suck at shipping too
2015-06-04T07:12:52 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/kkdrGWE.png
2015-06-04T07:13:00 < ReadError> on digikey theres no way to unselect 1 thing
2015-06-04T07:13:03 < ReadError> fuckin dumb
2015-06-04T07:13:07 < englishman> back button
2015-06-04T07:13:20 < englishman> usually when i search, i search for one thing
2015-06-04T07:13:21 < ReadError> we are on web3.0
2015-06-04T07:13:29 < ReadError> no excuse for this
2015-06-04T07:13:45 < englishman> i cant post my searches to facebook
2015-06-04T07:14:08 < ReadError> thats mouser
2015-06-04T07:14:13 < ReadError> you can tell by the modern design
2015-06-04T07:14:32 < englishman> larger text and whitespace = modern
2015-06-04T07:14:59 < ReadError> plus digikey wanna charge me tax
2015-06-04T07:15:03 < ReadError> and 2$ more for shipping
2015-06-04T07:15:07 < ReadError> they can get bent
2015-06-04T07:15:12 < englishman> mauser is like $900 more for shipping
2015-06-04T07:15:18 < englishman> and uses UPS
2015-06-04T07:15:21 < englishman> which im allergic to
2015-06-04T07:16:08 < ReadError> its 6.99 always for me
2015-06-04T07:16:11 < ReadError> comes in 2 days
2015-06-04T07:16:27 < englishman> digikey is $8 cdn or free over $200 and comes in <17 hours
2015-06-04T07:16:51 < englishman> cuz theyre pro
2015-06-04T07:17:10 < englishman> <englishman> cuz theyre pro
2015-06-04T07:17:13 < englishman> i just said
2015-06-04T07:18:18 < upgrdman> these wheels....  http://i.imgur.com/DPOIT7s.jpg
2015-06-04T07:18:20 < englishman> fedex priority overnight is the only option digikey provides.
2015-06-04T07:18:35 < englishman> vs. mauser's ups "whenever the fuck we like" service
2015-06-04T07:19:02 < upgrdman> ya no shit
2015-06-04T07:22:04 < upgrdman> agreed
2015-06-04T07:25:15 < misspapaya> has anybody here done assembly projects before?
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2015-06-04T07:34:04 < dongs> I'm a PIC32MZ assembly pro
2015-06-04T07:34:34 < misspapaya> I'm trying to write my own project for STM32F429 without any libraries
2015-06-04T07:34:40 < dongs> why?
2015-06-04T07:34:47 < misspapaya> I suppose it's not really assembly. I got the assembly part working
2015-06-04T07:34:53 < misspapaya> I just wanted to
2015-06-04T07:36:00 < dongs> #include <stm32f42x.h> and knock yourself out.
2015-06-04T07:36:25 < dongs> yes, as in waste of tiem
2015-06-04T07:36:57 < dongs> englishman: 2.54mm header or barrel jack
2015-06-04T07:37:03 < dongs> sadly, it wont be USB powered
2015-06-04T07:37:13 < englishman> header
2015-06-04T07:37:19 < dongs> WRONG ANSWER
2015-06-04T07:37:22 < englishman> nooooo
2015-06-04T07:37:27 < englishman> both?
2015-06-04T07:37:37 < englishman> i can always unsolder barrel jak
2015-06-04T07:37:40 < englishman> 12v?????????
2015-06-04T07:37:42 < dongs> ya both is more likely
2015-06-04T07:37:43 < misspapaya> R2COM: you mean like hex code?
2015-06-04T07:37:49 < dongs> 9+ i think. 5V is just not happening
2015-06-04T07:37:52 < dongs> it neesd to boost to like 60V
2015-06-04T07:37:57 < dongs> because retard leds
2015-06-04T07:38:00 < englishman> fffffff ok lemme order 12v acdc now
2015-06-04T07:38:03 < misspapaya> anyway I can't get the LEDs on this board to turn on
2015-06-04T07:39:01 < misspapaya> I have openOCD set up
2015-06-04T07:39:29 < misspapaya> and I'm at the point where I can jump to C code from my assembly routine
2015-06-04T07:39:43 < dongs> cortex-m doesn't need assembly startup
2015-06-04T07:39:48 < dongs> that like its entire fucking point
2015-06-04T07:39:55 < misspapaya> really?
2015-06-04T07:39:58 < dongs> yes.
2015-06-04T07:40:21 < englishman> howcome even keil uses asm startups then
2015-06-04T07:40:29 < dongs> eh, they're not pro like zyp
2015-06-04T07:40:35 < dongs> you can just do a struct with vector table
2015-06-04T07:40:45 < dongs> and use some gcc faggotry to pin it at start of flash or whatever
2015-06-04T07:40:56 < misspapaya> anyway i use assembly
2015-06-04T07:41:10 < misspapaya> and for some reason the assembler assumed main was in thumb
2015-06-04T07:41:16 < misspapaya> that took me a while to figure out
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2015-06-04T07:41:31 < misspapaya> I ended up just subtracting 1 from the main constant
2015-06-04T07:41:33 < dongs> becase: it is
2015-06-04T07:41:33 < misspapaya> :P
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2015-06-04T07:41:49 < misspapaya> wait
2015-06-04T07:41:55 < misspapaya> is the whole chip thumb?
2015-06-04T07:42:15 < dongs> if you dont know at this point, you might be better off taking up knitting
2015-06-04T07:42:28 < dongs> R2COM: seems end purpose is waste of time
2015-06-04T07:42:43 < misspapaya> I want to write a bootloader that copies ELF files to RAM from SD card
2015-06-04T07:42:50 < misspapaya> I guess I'll jump to my point
2015-06-04T07:43:12 < misspapaya> Writing to GPIO registers doesn't seem to stick
2015-06-04T07:44:12 < misspapaya> I think I turned on the RCC and the gpio clock
2015-06-04T07:50:33 < upgrdman> misspapaya, here's my old shitty notes on the f4:
2015-06-04T07:50:51 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2012-06-28_STM32F4_Basics:_GPIOs/
2015-06-04T07:53:58 < misspapaya> upgrdman: thanks
2015-06-04T07:54:23 < upgrdman> sure
2015-06-04T07:54:47 < upgrdman> close enough
2015-06-04T07:55:24 < misspapaya> I'll figure it out
2015-06-04T07:55:50 < misspapaya> dongs: I figured out what you meant. You move the vec table pointer to wherever GCC put it
2015-06-04T08:00:23 < dongs> ot even
2015-06-04T08:00:26 < dongs> n
2015-06-04T08:00:29 < dongs> hm
2015-06-04T08:00:31 < dongs> i cleaned my keyboard
2015-06-04T08:00:36 < dongs> i hope i didnt rbreak anythign
2015-06-04T08:00:44 < dongs> not not not not not not not
2015-06-04T08:01:00 < upgrdman> too much dong juice on the keys?
2015-06-04T08:01:33 < dongs> yea man
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2015-06-04T08:01:45 < dongs> i pulled out like 1/2kg of hair and dried jizz from between the keys
2015-06-04T08:02:09 < dongs> then i took it outside for a nice compressed air blow
2015-06-04T08:02:50 < upgrdman> a blow job
2015-06-04T08:04:33 < dongs> basically
2015-06-04T08:05:31 < upgrdman> is theree something like the Analog Discovery, but more pro? like 100MHz bw for the scope, and maybe a bit more bw for the func gen
2015-06-04T08:05:55 < dongs> here u go http://www.usbee.com/dx.html
2015-06-04T08:05:57 < upgrdman> and still compact-ish (obviously bigger for BNCs, but not some huge piece of shit
2015-06-04T08:06:12 < dongs> jk btw
2015-06-04T08:06:20 < upgrdman> ya no shit. trash.
2015-06-04T08:06:29 < dongs> Max Sample Rate (All channels sampling)8 Msps
2015-06-04T08:06:32 < dongs> lole
2015-06-04T08:06:35 < upgrdman> LOL
2015-06-04T08:06:36 < dongs> i got a chinese clone of that
2015-06-04T08:06:40 < dongs> inside is hilarious
2015-06-04T08:06:41 < dongs> USB2.0 hub
2015-06-04T08:06:45 < dongs> 2 EZ-USB FX2s
2015-06-04T08:06:50 < dongs> some garbage ADC on the analog inputs
2015-06-04T08:07:03 < dongs> going to one fx2
2015-06-04T08:07:08 < dongs> and 8 digital shits going to 2nd one
2015-06-04T08:07:12 < dongs> fucking pro
2015-06-04T08:07:15 < dongs> and these guys want $999 for that shit
2015-06-04T08:07:27 < dongs> I paid ~$70 to chinese and I felt ripped off
2015-06-04T08:08:40 < ReadError> did you get your 3d renders ready for the lulmaxamps usb charger?
2015-06-04T08:09:00 < dongs> naa, that laser cut acrylic thing is the best pic of it I have
2015-06-04T08:09:02 < dongs> i dont do renders
2015-06-04T08:09:06 < dongs> my products are legit!!!11
2015-06-04T08:09:34 < ReadError> oh not seen that
2015-06-04T08:09:37 < ReadError> just the stack of them
2015-06-04T08:09:41 < dongs> checking my imgur
2015-06-04T08:09:44 < dongs> sec
2015-06-04T08:10:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8mgCxkU.jpg stack http://i.imgur.com/mzEbbt9.jpg in acrylic case
2015-06-04T08:12:17 < ReadError> you figured out how to make that china laser do all the cuts at once
2015-06-04T08:12:24 < ReadError> w/o pressing enter each pass?
2015-06-04T08:12:56 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/VBFCM6O.jpg pls somehow get this shopped into the promo pics
2015-06-04T08:13:44 < dongs> ReadError: A4 size, seems to cut all teh stuff at once?
2015-06-04T08:13:49 < dongs> waht do you mean 'press enter each time';
2015-06-04T08:14:11 < ReadError> like if you do multiple passes
2015-06-04T08:14:22 < ReadError> it pops up that shit like "continue"
2015-06-04T08:14:58 < dongs> multiple pass is like wat, to cut half then another half?
2015-06-04T08:15:41 < dongs> i duno, its currently doing a panel of a bunch of 3d dicker parts
2015-06-04T08:15:48 < dongs> dont need to press enter on anything
2015-06-04T08:15:57 < dongs> there's liek 15 models arrayed on A4 sheet
2015-06-04T08:16:16 < ReadError> like wood for example i cant do 1 pass on ply because it catches fire
2015-06-04T08:16:27 < dongs> ah, only cut acrylic on thi shit
2015-06-04T08:16:27 < ReadError> so i need to cut along the outside in a couple passes
2015-06-04T08:16:29 < dongs> duno about wood
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2015-06-04T08:18:51 < upgrdman> i recall seeing a video of someone laser cutting some cardboard. massive fucking flames. super LOL worthy.
2015-06-04T08:22:35 < dongs> Torquing, you know how to run a Kickstarter campaign. Pretty flawless!
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2015-06-04T13:23:05 < kakimir> I keep seeing dreams I'm in some gansters / bankers facilities / office and he has very impatient angly look at his face
2015-06-04T13:23:51 < kakimir> and I'm very awkward and know I'm not leaving alive
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2015-06-04T13:49:52 < qyx_> karlp: I didn't ask about adc noise, I am only concerned about the environmental noise
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2015-06-04T15:02:43 < Laurenceb__> http://thumbsnap.com/sc/KKe6xX7g.jpg
2015-06-04T15:04:44 < ReadError> ?
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2015-06-04T15:12:30 < Peter_M> https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p296x100/532911_10152752778116734_1802580190370974911_n.jpg?oh=ae789c4d21bbc17f178b4bec1df05cd8&oe=55EE2AD3
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2015-06-04T15:17:00 < dongs> what is that supposed to say
2015-06-04T15:17:14 < dongs> i get the rapey one
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2015-06-04T15:28:56 < superbia1> sup social lubricants
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2015-06-04T15:45:33 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32996039
2015-06-04T15:45:35 < Laurenceb__> lorf
2015-06-04T15:46:12 < Laurenceb__> Apple sold the speakers for £269.95
2015-06-04T15:46:15 < Laurenceb__> rofl
2015-06-04T15:47:42 < karlp> dongs: I guess this? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1v1
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2015-06-04T15:50:41 < dongs> funny level: ubuntu installer
2015-06-04T15:52:53 < dongs> Yeah I am guessing we are not going to get super smooth footage from the start. They have the super computer for post flight editing. Hoping that is really effective. Having had a parrot drone, you were always fighting the jello effect on the video
2015-06-04T15:53:34 < jpa-> i think zano video will be very stable
2015-06-04T15:53:45 < dongs> i agree, it will be amazing
2015-06-04T15:53:55 < dongs> cuz reece crowther is gonna just carry it in his hand
2015-06-04T15:53:57 < BrainDamage> well, the motors will still vibrate even if it can't lift
2015-06-04T15:54:13 < jpa-> BrainDamage: that'll stop after the run-in period
2015-06-04T15:54:38 < dongs> you mean
2015-06-04T15:54:57 < dongs> the ~4 hours MTBF of the shitty chinese brushed motors?
2015-06-04T15:55:06 < dongs> yeah, it'll stop vibrating when the brushes seize
2015-06-04T15:55:09 < jpa-> yep :)
2015-06-04T15:55:12 < dongs> it'll also stop spinning, too
2015-06-04T15:55:28 < jpa-> also battery life will improve
2015-06-04T15:55:41 < dongs> battery life is PCM-protected, dude
2015-06-04T15:55:44 < dongs> don't fuck with that.
2015-06-04T15:57:10 < dongs> I'm going to a sci fi convention surrounding the computer game Elite Dangerous middle of July a few of us have backed so I am hoping to have the drones and do our first "swarm" :)
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2015-06-04T15:59:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805142288/gekkopod-the-worlds-most-flexible-mount
2015-06-04T15:59:34 < dongs> ....
2015-06-04T15:59:48 < dongs> really?
2015-06-04T16:00:14 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Joby-GP1-A1EN-Gorillapod-Flexible-Tripod/dp/B000EVSLRO wgat was wrong wiht this
2015-06-04T16:01:14 < BrainDamage> it doesn't have a kawaii stylized look, which for any sane person, it's actually a bonus
2015-06-04T16:01:50 < englishman> it's Gumby!
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2015-06-04T16:28:40 < dongs> does crapple watch do anything without a paired iphone
2015-06-04T16:39:56 < Laurenceb__> decreases your bank balance
2015-06-04T16:43:00 < dongs> using NFC?
2015-06-04T16:49:45 < aandrew> lol
2015-06-04T16:49:51 < aandrew> probably BLE not NFC
2015-06-04T16:49:59 < aandrew> unless they put NFC in it for apple pay
2015-06-04T16:52:41 < dongs> they did
2015-06-04T16:52:52 < dongs> how else woudl they be able to empty idiots pockets for $1600
2015-06-04T16:52:59 < dongs> jsut so tehy could pay for $3 cofee at starbucks
2015-06-04T17:05:20 < qyx_> hows zano
2015-06-04T17:06:16 < dongs> still not flying
2015-06-04T17:06:26 < dongs> wobbly / jellow video will be solved by SUPERCOMPURER
2015-06-04T17:14:54 < Laurenceb__> wherez the ardunio fry shield?
2015-06-04T17:15:05 < Laurenceb__> i remeber someone has a main shield to fry it
2015-06-04T17:16:05 < dongs> http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png
2015-06-04T17:16:06 < dongs> this
2015-06-04T17:16:16 < Laurenceb__> woot
2015-06-04T17:16:18 < Laurenceb__> thanks
2015-06-04T17:19:13 < karlp> gussh.net is a PureBasic user...
2015-06-04T17:19:47 < Laurenceb__> batter than bascom
2015-06-04T17:21:20 < dongs> heh
2015-06-04T17:21:28 < dongs> one of my pals is a pro bascom hax0r
2015-06-04T17:21:35 < dongs> on PIC16 or someshit
2015-06-04T17:22:04 < dongs> bedtime
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2015-06-04T18:11:29 < Ecco> Hi!
2015-06-04T18:12:27 < Ecco> I'd like to power an STM32F4 from AAA batteries. Do you guys know if there's some documentation regarding this use case?
2015-06-04T18:12:40 < Ecco> I'm pretty sure there are some good practices, but I cannot find any relevant doc :(
2015-06-04T18:13:06 < Laurenceb__> here  lostallhope.com/
2015-06-04T18:13:24 < Ecco> huh… ok?
2015-06-04T18:13:33 < Ecco> Why the sarcasm?
2015-06-04T18:13:38 < Ecco> Is my question that stupid?
2015-06-04T18:14:02 < gxti> no, Laurenceb__ is just kinda dumb
2015-06-04T18:14:08 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-04T18:14:20 < Ecco> and kinda rude, too. It's not a nice thing to say :-/
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2015-06-04T18:18:59 < jpa-> Ecco: if you are distressed by that, you'll have a hard time on this channel :)
2015-06-04T18:19:24 < Ecco> I guess I can handle it :)
2015-06-04T18:19:33 < Ecco> It's a weird start though :)
2015-06-04T18:20:09 < Ecco> So, my current understanding is that I'll either need a step-up IC if I'm using 2 AAA batteries
2015-06-04T18:20:19 < Ecco> or a regulator if I'm using 4
2015-06-04T18:20:32 < Ecco> is that correct, or am I already wrong?
2015-06-04T18:21:08 < gxti> you can sort of run without regulation on 2 batteries but not for the full life of the battery
2015-06-04T18:21:33 < Ecco> Yeah, indeed, the datasheet says it works down to 1.7V IIRC
2015-06-04T18:21:53 < Ecco> But I plan to use an LCD panel that has much stricter voltage requirements
2015-06-04T18:22:46 < Ecco> Is it considered a bad practice to go without any kind of power regulation IC?
2015-06-04T18:22:55 < gxti> no.
2015-06-04T18:22:57 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-04T18:23:19 < Ecco> Also, I'm considering a design with a *single* AA/AAA battery
2015-06-04T18:23:31 < Ecco> In that case a step up is mandatory
2015-06-04T18:23:33 < gxti> yes.
2015-06-04T18:23:41 < Ecco> Which made me wonder
2015-06-04T18:23:51 < Ecco> Why are there so few devices that actually use a single battery ?
2015-06-04T18:24:09 < Ecco> Most of them seem to always use at least two, and most often 4
2015-06-04T18:25:23 < gxti> dunno
2015-06-04T18:25:45 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-04T18:25:56 < Ecco> Also, there's like a gazillion different stepups/regulators
2015-06-04T18:26:16 < Ecco> But I guess, like often, a few of them are more populoar than others
2015-06-04T18:26:28 < Ecco> Do you guys know which step-up and regulators are most commonly used?
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2015-06-04T18:43:20 < jpa-> Ecco: MCP1640 is quite common and nice
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2015-06-04T18:52:48 < MrMobius> isnt it easier to just use 4 batteries and chop off the extra voltage for mass produced stuff?
2015-06-04T18:54:54 < jpa-> well, depends on size of device and stuff
2015-06-04T18:55:05 < jpa-> sticking 4 SMD parts on a board is not exactly hard either
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2015-06-04T18:56:54 < _Sync_> MrMobius: it is, if you want supershitty battery lifetime
2015-06-04T18:59:49 < [7]> quite a lot of devices step up from a single cell these days
2015-06-04T19:00:05 < [7]> however I think the efficiency of stepping up from 2 cells is generally better
2015-06-04T19:00:13 < jpa-> the mp3 player i bought like 15 years ago did the same
2015-06-04T19:00:17 < jpa-> excellent battery life also
2015-06-04T19:00:54 < [7]> depending on the application I'd use a step-up from 2 or LDO from 3 cells
2015-06-04T19:01:13 < jpa-> in my own devices i usually use lifepo instead of alkaline, though
2015-06-04T19:01:39 < jpa-> (or li-ion, sometimes)
2015-06-04T19:02:17 < jpa-> LDO to 3.3V from 3 cells is annoying in that you can't use NiMH very well then
2015-06-04T19:02:18 < [7]> depends ;) I tend to use spare li-ion cells, but for low-current stuff (that runs on a battery for half a year or so) alkaline is just more convenient and likely cheaper
2015-06-04T19:02:52 < [7]> if you can live with 3.0V and have a good regulator it's workable
2015-06-04T19:02:56 < jpa-> yeah
2015-06-04T19:03:08 < jpa-> can often go down to 2.8V even
2015-06-04T19:03:13 < [7]> and I guess we've all seen way too many devices that don't work well with 3x nimh
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2015-06-04T19:04:55 < [7]> for cheap low-current stuff I usually go for XR1151 (step-up) or XC6206 (LDO) based solutions
2015-06-04T19:06:19 < karlp> mcp1623/mcp1640 are nice for cheap low current too, don't need thediode.
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2015-06-04T19:07:07 < karlp> oh, jpa already mentioned that one
2015-06-04T19:07:22 < jpa-> yeah, but good thing that you agree
2015-06-04T19:08:23 < karlp> I just wish they had a 3v or 3v3 fixed output version of something in that family, get rid of the resistor divider entirely :)
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2015-06-04T19:15:49 < [7]> karlp: ...but needs a bigger inductor, can handle less current (but can handle lower input voltages), and is like 4 times as expensive
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2015-06-04T19:21:22 < qyx_> single lithium primary ftw qo/
2015-06-04T19:21:28 < karlp> well, I'd honestly not ever seen the xr1151 before, but I'm using the mcp1623 with an 0805 inductor, which is small enough for me.
2015-06-04T19:21:44 < karlp> and iirc, it was cheap as chips, so the xr1151 must be ~free then
2015-06-04T19:21:52 < karlp> but will definitely look at it :)
2015-06-04T19:23:03 < jpa-> where can you buy xr1151 anyway?
2015-06-04T19:23:53 < karlp> also, when you only draw 40ma, your 800ma being able to deliver "more" current isn't really any sort of advantage..
2015-06-04T19:24:33 < jpa-> depends on what you draw, though; stm32f4 as in the original question can be quite a hog
2015-06-04T19:25:11 < karlp> true dat
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2015-06-04T21:11:22 < Ecco> Thanks a lot guys, that was very interesting
2015-06-04T21:11:47 < Ecco> Also, while I'm at it, here's another question (somewhat related):
2015-06-04T21:12:25 < Ecco> I was planning to go with user-replaceable AAA batteries, either 1, 2, or 4, depending on the required battery life.
2015-06-04T21:12:43 < Ecco> But it seems like LiPo batteries are getting pretty cheap these days.
2015-06-04T21:13:29 < Ecco> I assume it is much cheaper to make room for AAA batteries but
2015-06-04T21:14:05 < Ecco> *not* supply them. Is that correct? Is it considered a bad practice nowadays? (Most electronics gadgets these days seem to come with an included battery)
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2015-06-04T21:15:55 < jpa-> are you making a product for sale?
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2015-06-04T21:16:18 < jpa-> usually the reason not to include a battery is to provide longer shelf time
2015-06-04T21:16:59 < Ecco> Yeah, it would be a consumer electronics device
2015-06-04T21:17:35 < Ecco> And our #1 concern is to make it as affordable as possible
2015-06-04T21:17:58 < Ecco> Our understanding so far was that making a battery slot would be much cheaper than actually bundling a battery
2015-06-04T21:18:21 < Ecco> But maybe this is wrong? Maybe the connectors and plastic molding make the whole thing actually more expensive?
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2015-06-04T21:19:25 < jpa-> depends totally on how you build it
2015-06-04T21:19:44 < jpa-> in mass quantities, plastic and metal clips cost nothing
2015-06-04T21:19:47 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-04T21:20:27 < Ecco> So in large quantities, the battery slot is the cheap option, right?
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2015-06-04T21:33:15 < Abhishek_> [7]: Whats the highest voltage you generated with a XR1151?
2015-06-04T21:33:35 < [7]> 5.5V or so
2015-06-04T21:33:57 < Abhishek_> I believe the chip would blow if I made it do higher voltages?
2015-06-04T21:34:35 < [7]> karlp: xr1151 is ~10 cents a pop @100, MUCH less for higher qty
2015-06-04T21:35:24 < [7]> one of those chips that are used for absolutely everything in china
2015-06-04T21:36:13 < Ecco> Quick poll: Eagle? KiCad? Something else?
2015-06-04T21:36:50 < [7]> definitely not kicad
2015-06-04T21:36:54 < [7]> possibly eagle
2015-06-04T21:37:08 < [7]> better something expensive ;)
2015-06-04T21:37:11 < [7]> e.g. altium
2015-06-04T21:37:22 < Ecco> Allright:)
2015-06-04T21:37:32 < Ecco> Would eagle be suitable for something "simple"
2015-06-04T21:37:46 < Ecco> (e.g. STM32 LQFP, keypad, LCD)
2015-06-04T21:39:07 < [7]> probably, it's more a matter of usability issues
2015-06-04T21:39:42 < [7]> one thing where eagle fails horribly is custom pad shapes
2015-06-04T21:39:59 < Ecco> oh
2015-06-04T21:40:18 < Ecco> I'll remember this
2015-06-04T21:40:24 < Ecco> Hopefully I won't need any )
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2015-06-04T21:42:36 < Steffanx> go away [7] .. eagle over kikad?!
2015-06-04T21:43:06 < [7]> Steffanx: tell me *anything* that kicad doesn't fail at...
2015-06-04T21:43:20 < Steffanx> it starts.
2015-06-04T21:43:29 < [7]> yeah, and that's about it
2015-06-04T21:43:35 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-04T21:43:47 < Steffanx> i can draw a schematic
2015-06-04T21:43:49 < Steffanx> and do a pcb
2015-06-04T21:44:00 < Ecco> I haven't used it, but I like that they offer a 3D view
2015-06-04T21:44:00 < [7]> the integration between the tools is awful, and there's no useful party library
2015-06-04T21:44:16 < [7]> eagle at least has proper forward/back annotation
2015-06-04T21:44:34 < Steffanx> altium isn't much better when you don't pay for this vault stuff
2015-06-04T21:45:06 < Steffanx> anyone tried this finally open beta mini altium?
2015-06-04T21:45:14 < [7]> I don't really like eagle either, but I have successfully designed simple PCBs with it, which I didn't manage to do with kicad. that thing just didn't work at all.
2015-06-04T21:45:32 < [7]> for more complex stuff I'm quite happy with altium
2015-06-04T21:46:00 < Steffanx> you paid for it? :P
2015-06-04T21:46:18 < [7]> I've used it at work some time ago
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2015-06-04T21:46:42 < Steffanx> work doesn't count
2015-06-04T21:46:50 < [7]> oh, that circuitmaker thing? I installed that a while ago and had a quick look, didn't really go into detail though
2015-06-04T21:47:02 < Steffanx> yes, that "thing"
2015-06-04T21:48:52 < [7]> it basically forces you to register some kind of free altium vault account and put your projects in there, where all other circuitmaker users can see and fork them
2015-06-04T21:53:51 < qyx_> hm, eagle basically works even for less simple stuff
2015-06-04T21:54:10 < [7]> qyx_: that custom pad shapes thing was a blocker for one of my projects
2015-06-04T21:54:48 < [7]> there seems to be just no way to get it to make non-rectangular pad shapes required by some weird QFN-ish parts without messing up the whole DRC
2015-06-04T21:54:51 < Ecco> [7]: Would "custom pad" include the kind of pad you can build straight on the PCB to make a cheap keyboard?
2015-06-04T21:55:26 < [7]> I'd tend to say yes if you want to capture those properly in the schematic
2015-06-04T21:55:45 < qyx_> [7]: thats true
2015-06-04T21:55:48 < [7]> the problem is basically that pads and polygons may not touch each other
2015-06-04T21:56:39 < [7]> and that pads are rectangular by definition (I think circles are allowed as well)
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2015-06-04T21:57:03 < [7]> but anything that requires you to combine multiple geometric objects makes DRC go completely nuts
2015-06-04T21:57:47  * Abhishek_ managed to make and fab a few designs with KiCAD
2015-06-04T21:58:11 < Ecco> interseting
2015-06-04T21:58:14 < Ecco> resting
2015-06-04T21:59:18 < [7]> so if your project is simple enough that you can get away without proper DRC, you can live with it
2015-06-04T21:59:46 < [7]> but F4 series chips clearly don't look like that
2015-06-04T21:59:53 < specing> design checking?
2015-06-04T21:59:56 < specing> who needs that?
2015-06-04T22:00:06 < specing> quit trolling ;)
2015-06-04T22:00:12 < qyx_> whats wrong fith F4 series
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2015-06-04T22:00:37 < [7]> well if I wanted to make e.g. a breakout for a 7805, I could probably ignore DRC ;)
2015-06-04T22:01:41 < [7]> qyx_: things with F4 chips on them typically have large numbers of pins and high-density routing somewhere on the PCB as well, so they're really easy to screw up without DRC (or with DRC throwing mostly spam at you)
2015-06-04T22:01:58 < Ecco> What kind of error would DRC find out?
2015-06-04T22:02:04 < Ecco> Sure F4 have a large number of pins
2015-06-04T22:02:11 < qyx_> http://qyx.krtko.org/projects/qnode5/img/pcb1.png
2015-06-04T22:02:16 < Ecco> but in my case most of them would be routed straight to the LCD
2015-06-04T22:02:21 < qyx_> i did this, worked otb
2015-06-04T22:02:25 < qyx_> passed DRC
2015-06-04T22:02:32 < [7]> shorts between different signals, clearance violations, unconnected pins, whatever
2015-06-04T22:02:58 < qyx_> Ecco: btw, it's F4 with LCD and keypad and other stuff
2015-06-04T22:03:06 < Ecco> Interesting
2015-06-04T22:03:09 < qyx_> so it's definitely doable in eagle
2015-06-04T22:03:10  * [7] wonders what that ground octopus thing below that chip is
2015-06-04T22:03:15 < Ecco> qyx_: would you mind sharing a link?
2015-06-04T22:03:20 < qyx_> it's a ground octopus
2015-06-04T22:03:23 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-04T22:03:36 < qyx_> actually, no
2015-06-04T22:03:40 < qyx_> it's vdd octopus
2015-06-04T22:03:52 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-04T22:04:09 < qyx_> the only thing I screwed up is the weird-angled trace on the left top corner
2015-06-04T22:04:20 < qyx_> my OCPD hurts
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2015-06-04T22:06:43 < qyx_> Ecco: http://qyx.krtko.org/projects/qnode5/
2015-06-04T22:06:56 < Ecco> Oh, so your LCD is driven by SPI
2015-06-04T22:07:07 < Ecco> What device is it exactly?
2015-06-04T22:07:26 < Ecco> Oh it's written
2015-06-04T22:07:27 < Ecco> my bad
2015-06-04T22:07:51 < Ecco> Thta's interesting
2015-06-04T22:07:54 < Ecco> how much does it cost?
2015-06-04T22:08:00 < qyx_> my lcd is driven by gpio because i was a bit lazy
2015-06-04T22:08:07 < qyx_> but it's SPI
2015-06-04T22:08:10 < Ecco> so you bitbang the whole thing?
2015-06-04T22:08:33  * [7] wonders what kind of overpriced LCD that is
2015-06-04T22:08:45 < qyx_> I had some handy
2015-06-04T22:08:47 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-04T22:09:04 < Ecco> Actually, I've been looking for the cheapest dot matrix LCD panel in the 3" range
2015-06-04T22:09:08  * [7] usually has these PCD8566 based LCDs handy ;)
2015-06-04T22:09:23 < [7]> Ecco: resolution?
2015-06-04T22:09:29 < Ecco> I don't really care
2015-06-04T22:09:30 < [7]> color/monochrome?
2015-06-04T22:09:35 < Ecco> I don't really care :)
2015-06-04T22:09:42 < qyx_> http://www.buydisplay.com/
2015-06-04T22:09:47 < [7]> er, PCD8544 I mean
2015-06-04T22:09:58 < Ecco> qyx_: I got samples from them. They're ok.
2015-06-04T22:10:02 < Ecco> I've found cheaper though
2015-06-04T22:10:21 < Ecco> So far the best I've found is color, TFT, 320x240
2015-06-04T22:10:46 < Ecco> 3.5"
2015-06-04T22:10:57 < Ecco> $8.5
2015-06-04T22:11:12 < qyx_> yes, they are cheap nowadays
2015-06-04T22:11:13 < Ecco> (by 5K units)
2015-06-04T22:11:25 < Ecco> Surprisingly monochrome were more expensive
2015-06-04T22:17:46 < [7]> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/2-8-inch-tft-touch-shield-for-arduino-w-capacitive-touch-screen-module
2015-06-04T22:17:55 < Abhishek_> adafruit?
2015-06-04T22:18:05 < [7]> rarely ever seen such breakout boards with capacitive touchscreens
2015-06-04T22:18:09 < [7]> that sounds really interesting
2015-06-04T22:18:16 < Abhishek_> yeah, adafruit clones
2015-06-04T22:18:19 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-04T22:21:01 < karlp> [7]: thanks for the extra info about xr1151, I guess if you just want a few to test out before you have your manufacturing partner sort it all otu in china for you, best bet is just to buy some on aliexpress? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-XR1151-B628-SOT23-6-Boost-Converter/1958189886.html
2015-06-04T22:24:29 < karlp> qyx_: what's on the top middle of your qNode5? to the right of the uSD socket?
2015-06-04T22:25:02 < qyx_> karlp: gps receiver and radio module
2015-06-04T22:25:22 < karlp> nvm, found your page now :)
2015-06-04T22:25:37 < qyx_> more like "page"
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2015-06-04T22:28:05 < Ecco> Regarding the xr1151, it takes 1.6V as input
2015-06-04T22:28:14 < Ecco> So it wouldn't work with a single AA battery
2015-06-04T22:28:17 < Ecco> would it?
2015-06-04T22:35:46 < [7]> I'm using that with 2 batteries
2015-06-04T22:36:29 < [7]> if you want to go for 1 battery, have a close look at the max. output current and efficiency numbers of whatever you want to use at 0.9V input voltage
2015-06-04T22:37:02 < Ecco> Indeed. Thanks for the tip
2015-06-04T22:37:07 < [7]> F4 chip + LCD will likely use more current than the single battery solutions can supply
2015-06-04T22:37:22 < Ecco> Definitely somthing I would have overlooked
2015-06-04T22:37:27 < Ecco> Is it really that bad though?
2015-06-04T22:37:39 < Ecco> Off the top of my head, I would have said that the LCD would be < 100mA
2015-06-04T22:37:58 < [7]> karlp: I'd guess so, yes
2015-06-04T22:37:59 < Ecco> and to be honest I haven't looked at the power consumption of the F4 but I thought it would be less than 100 mA too
2015-06-04T22:38:19 < [7]> karlp: I have a ~80 of those chips somewhere around here in my parts bin ;)
2015-06-04T22:39:25 < karlp> yeah, I don't build enough anyway, too mcuh time spent in software :)
2015-06-04T22:39:36 < karlp> maybe I should use more ada/c++/rust/lisp or somethign, and be more productive ;)
2015-06-04T22:40:39 < [7]> Ecco: max current for f407/f417 is ~120mA
2015-06-04T22:40:54 < [7]> display backlight will easily draw another 100mA
2015-06-04T22:41:07 < Ecco> I thought AAA batteries could handle 200 mA easily
2015-06-04T22:41:41 < qyx_> 200mA @ 3.3V is ~1A at 1V
2015-06-04T22:41:45 < Ecco> ooh
2015-06-04T22:41:50 < Ecco> damnit
2015-06-04T22:41:55 < qyx_> considering <100% efficiency of boost converters
2015-06-04T22:41:58 < Ecco> obviously
2015-06-04T22:42:09 < [7]> ...which is why a 2xAAA solution will have significantly higher efficiency
2015-06-04T22:42:22 < Ecco> and why there are so few 1xAAA devices out there
2015-06-04T22:42:25 < Ecco> Makes perfect sense
2015-06-04T22:42:45 < Ecco> So another newbie question
2015-06-04T22:42:49 < [7]> (for that class of applications at least - for very low power stuff it isn't as much of a difference, but there still is one)
2015-06-04T22:42:50 < Ecco> 2xAAA is "around" 3V
2015-06-04T22:43:08 < Ecco> should I use a step-up or a regulator?
2015-06-04T22:43:19 < [7]> 2xAAA range is realistically 1.8-3.3V
2015-06-04T22:43:29 < [7]> so ideal for a step up solution
2015-06-04T22:43:48 < Ecco> Couldn't it happen that brand new batteries could be over 1.65V?
2015-06-04T22:44:00 < [7]> even if they do that won't matter
2015-06-04T22:44:16 < Ecco> The step up also regulates?
2015-06-04T22:44:22 < [7]> even 1.75 would only be 3.4V, which is well within limits
2015-06-04T22:44:26 < Ecco> ooh
2015-06-04T22:44:27 < Ecco> indeed
2015-06-04T22:44:40 < Ecco> Yeah, 3.3 isn't an upper bound by any means, right
2015-06-04T22:44:41 < [7]> (for non-sync step-ups the diode will drop at least 0.3V anyway)
2015-06-04T22:44:59 < Ecco> So now regarding battery life
2015-06-04T22:45:03 < [7]> so safe input voltage range is often as high as 4.0V
2015-06-04T22:45:23 < Ecco> 2xAAA would be around 1000 mAh @ 3V, right?
2015-06-04T22:45:30 < Ecco> So that's what, 5 hours battery life?
2015-06-04T22:45:39 < Ecco> That's pretty bad :-(
2015-06-04T22:45:41 < [7]> realistically 1000mAh @2.4V
2015-06-04T22:46:11 < [7]> conservatively assuming 80% step-up efficiency and an actual average current draw of 120mA
2015-06-04T22:46:16 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-04T22:46:22 < Ecco> Maks sense
2015-06-04T22:46:35 < [7]> that is a battery discharge current of ~210mA
2015-06-04T22:46:40 < [7]> so yes, ~5h
2015-06-04T22:46:40 < qyx_> use a lipo and solve all problems of this world
2015-06-04T22:46:45 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-04T22:46:58 < Ecco> Well, in my case the CPU would be idling most of the time
2015-06-04T22:47:13 < Ecco> (except the LCD-TFT part, I don't know how much current that part uses)
2015-06-04T22:47:15 < [7]> the display backlight is the major power consumer here
2015-06-04T22:47:32 < qyx_> why do you want to use AAA cells?
2015-06-04T22:47:49 < Ecco> qyx_ because they allow for a much smaller package
2015-06-04T22:47:58 < qyx_> huh?
2015-06-04T22:48:09 < Ecco> (as compared to AAs)
2015-06-04T22:48:23 < Ecco> I ruled LiPo out because it's more expensive
2015-06-04T22:48:28 < qyx_> uhm, huh?
2015-06-04T22:48:41 < Ecco> (as compared to *user* supplied AAAs)
2015-06-04T22:48:55 < qyx_> 600mAh cells are ~$3
2015-06-04T22:49:10 < Ecco> Which is like 30% of my BoM at this point :)
2015-06-04T22:49:25 < Ecco> (ok I'm exagerating a bit, but $3 matters)
2015-06-04T22:49:36 < Ecco> Also, LiPo have a bad habit of exploding
2015-06-04T22:49:55 < Ecco> and in my case having user-replaceable batteries is actually desirable)
2015-06-04T22:49:57 < [7]> add another 1-2$ for connectors, charging cirtuitry, ...
2015-06-04T22:50:11 < qyx_> meh
2015-06-04T22:50:29 < Ecco> Yeah, good point. I guess you also have to provide a charging power adapter too
2015-06-04T22:50:40 < [7]> (or abuse USB for that)
2015-06-04T22:50:45 < Ecco> Indeed :)
2015-06-04T22:50:46 < qyx_> microsd is standard nowadays for charging
2015-06-04T22:50:49 < qyx_> uhm
2015-06-04T22:50:50 < qyx_> microusb
2015-06-04T22:50:56 < Ecco> indeed
2015-06-04T22:51:05 < Ecco> And what if I throttle the LCD backlight?
2015-06-04T22:51:11 < Ecco> I guess I'd have to try it out
2015-06-04T22:51:17 < Ecco> Maybe it's still readable…
2015-06-04T22:51:33 < Ecco> There are two devices that would solve everything for me
2015-06-04T22:51:40 < Ecco> either eink displays or sharp's memory lcd
2015-06-04T22:51:58 < Ecco> The cheapest i've found for 2.8" eInk was $11, twice as much as color LCD
2015-06-04T22:52:13 < qyx_> use monochromatic transflextive stn display, you can go down to ~2mA active current for the lcd
2015-06-04T22:52:17 < Ecco> and I didn't even bother asking a quote to sharp (maybe I should have)
2015-06-04T22:52:18 < qyx_> and ~10mA for backlight
2015-06-04T22:52:22 < [7]> if you can live with monochrome, the display will use MUCH less power
2015-06-04T22:52:33 < Ecco> Yeah, monochrome coud definitely work
2015-06-04T22:52:42 < [7]> qyx_: 2mA? what kind of power hog is that?
2015-06-04T22:52:43 < Ecco> But they're quite expensive actually
2015-06-04T22:53:15 < [7]> the little ones that I use for my data loggers are like 0.2mA LCD current
2015-06-04T22:53:42 < [7]> Ecco: so what are your min resolution and physical size requirements?
2015-06-04T22:53:42 < Ecco> How comes color screens need much stronger backlight?
2015-06-04T22:53:55 < Ecco> Well, minimal size would be 2.8" I guess (2.4 is very small)
2015-06-04T22:54:03 < [7]> Ecco: they basically waste 70% of the light on color filters
2015-06-04T22:54:03 < Ecco> and minimal resolution I guess around 160x100
2015-06-04T22:54:19 < Ecco> oh, makes sense
2015-06-04T22:55:36 < qyx_> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/3-4-inch-240x160-dot-matrix-lcd-display-serial-interface-black-on-white
2015-06-04T22:55:40 < qyx_> this one for example
2015-06-04T22:55:44 < qyx_> 1.2mA supply current
2015-06-04T22:55:55 < Ecco> As a matter of fact
2015-06-04T22:56:07 < Ecco> I've a sample of this device on my desk right now
2015-06-04T22:56:19 < Ecco> See, $10
2015-06-04T22:56:39 < qyx_> is that bad? it's cheap
2015-06-04T22:56:42 < Ecco> (and also, it's massive, and the bezel is huge)
2015-06-04T22:57:14 < Ecco> I've found color 2.8, 320x240 for less than $5
2015-06-04T22:57:53 < qyx_> are you going to make 10000 of these devices?
2015-06-04T22:58:01 < Ecco> Hopefully yes
2015-06-04T22:58:16 < Ecco> Yeah I should ask for a quote, but the starting price is widely different
2015-06-04T22:59:00 < Ecco> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/serial-spi-2-8-tft-lcd-module-display-320x240-touch-sceen-arduino
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2015-06-04T23:12:08 < [7]> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/320X240-320240-320-240-dot-LCD-modules-screen-with-blue-backlight/32294652701.html
2015-06-04T23:12:23 < Ecco> oh
2015-06-04T23:12:25 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-04T23:12:54 < Ecco> How did you find this?
2015-06-04T23:13:09 < Ecco> Is it a clearance sale, or do someone actually manufacture this?
2015-06-04T23:13:24 < [7]> took me a while to find such a cheap one
2015-06-04T23:13:31 < englishman> <$2 lol nice
2015-06-04T23:13:46 < englishman> sell on sparkfun for $49.99 :)
2015-06-04T23:13:48 < Ecco> Yeah that's impressive
2015-06-04T23:13:59 < [7]> that one lacks some important specs though
2015-06-04T23:14:04 < [7]> doesn't mention a controller chip
2015-06-04T23:14:08 < Ecco> Hmm indeed
2015-06-04T23:14:25 < Ecco> How do you find an LCD supplier, actually?
2015-06-04T23:14:58 < englishman> well if you want a Word Leading LCD Manufacturer you can call them up on skype
2015-06-04T23:15:03 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-04T23:16:14 < [7]> looks like many of these are made by winstar
2015-06-04T23:16:41 < [7]> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FSTN-LCD-glass-module-gray-display-128x160-dot-for-POS-machine/32302415758.html
2015-06-04T23:18:32 < [7]> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Rohs-dot-matrix-240x160-240160-graphic_1820927799.html
2015-06-04T23:20:05 < [7]> I guess this is a market segment where you really have to send out a bunch of RFQs
2015-06-04T23:20:19 < [7]> primarily targetting large OEMs
2015-06-04T23:20:47 < [7]> hobbyists don't seem to care about black&white these days, so there's not much floating around on aliexpress at reasonable prices
2015-06-04T23:22:26 < [7]> http://www.rifdalcd.com/product.html
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2015-06-04T23:23:52 < [7]> http://www.rifdalcd.com/product_id73.html
2015-06-04T23:24:00 < [7]> this seems to be the origin of that cheap aliexpress one
2015-06-04T23:24:13 < [7]> not much info there either
2015-06-04T23:26:16 < [7]> http://www.winstar.com.tw/products_detail_ov.php?lang=en&ProID=61
2015-06-04T23:26:21 < [7]> wondering what these cost...
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2015-06-04T23:43:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtFoHfo1QT0 musicspam
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2015-06-04T23:46:07 < rkreis_> what could cause my l0 uart not to receive the data it just sent (i verified that it's sent correctly) with RX/TX tied together?
2015-06-04T23:47:11 < rkreis_> i do simple RXNE polling, but the bit is never set (verified with gdb)
2015-06-04T23:48:40 < [7]> rkreis_: checking the most trivial things... receiver enabled?
2015-06-04T23:49:35 < [7]> UE and RE bits
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2015-06-04T23:50:07 < [7]> HDSEL might also interfere if set
2015-06-04T23:50:34 < [7]> are any error bits set?
2015-06-04T23:50:56 < [7]> especially ORE?
2015-06-04T23:51:44 < [7]> (also FE, PE and NF)
2015-06-04T23:54:15 < rkreis_> [7], thank you, it was ORE :)
2015-06-04T23:54:27 < [7]> heh, that one bit me as well ;)
2015-06-04T23:54:53 < [7]> an annoying minor difference to the older series
2015-06-04T23:55:34 < rkreis_> i somehow assumed there'd magically be a big receive buffer
2015-06-04T23:55:42 < [7]> they introduced that flag clearing register on the newer chips, and now these error flags block any further traffic until you set them there
2015-06-04T23:55:46 < [7]> no, just a single byte
2015-06-04T23:55:52 < [7]> if you need more, you have to use DMA
2015-06-04T23:55:59 < rkreis_> yes, that sounds like a good idea
2015-06-04T23:56:50 < [7]> (or just write the bytes to an internal buffer of your firmware in an IRQ handler, then handle them asynchronously)
2015-06-04T23:57:07 < [7]> DMA, especially combined with e.g. framing or parity errors, is rather messy ;)
2015-06-04T23:57:34 < [7]> if you aren't dealing with ultra high baud rates, a software approach might just fit better (easier to implement)
2015-06-04T23:58:11 < [7]> had quite a bit of fun with that until I got DMA-based reception of DMX packets to work on F0 ;)
2015-06-04T23:58:25 < rkreis_> so how messy exactly is it? :)
2015-06-04T23:58:47 < [7]> that largely depends on the protocol that you're speaking over the uart
2015-06-04T23:58:58 < [7]> especially if you always know how many bytes you're going to receive
2015-06-04T23:59:21 < rkreis_> i see
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2015-06-04T23:59:49 < rkreis_> i can probably do it all synchronously/blocking
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2015-06-05T00:00:22 < rkreis_> but before i even start that, i'm building a serial<->usb converter to verify if things work as they should
2015-06-05T00:00:47  * [7] wonders if it would be possible to implement a generic UART DMA ring buffer, and trigger data processing through UART IRQs instead of DMA IRQs. overrun detection would be a bit tricky...
2015-06-05T00:01:53 < rkreis_> meanwhile, i wonder if i should skip the verification step and just go for it
2015-06-05T00:02:35 < [7]> I recently built a NRF24L01 radio packet <-> UART bridge to allow me to talk to NRF radio devices from my laptop, eases debugging of those devices a lot. for that I used the internal ring buffer + UART IRQ approach... a bit similar to how arduino does it
2015-06-05T00:03:04 < rkreis_> well, there's no choice on arduino, is there?
2015-06-05T00:03:19 < rkreis_> does AVR even do DMA at all?
2015-06-05T00:06:06 < [7]> I mostly mean the "userspace" API of that
2015-06-05T00:06:23 < [7]> I'm wondering if something generic with similar functionality could be implemented on top of DMA instead
2015-06-05T00:06:47 < [7]> you basically have to already process data before transfer completion
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2015-06-05T00:33:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjGRXTpHGI
2015-06-05T00:33:55 < kakimir> I actually look like that dude but less hair and more beard
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2015-06-05T01:15:00 < upgrdman_> altium pros: anyone know if there is a symbol for LCL filters? Looks like a "T" with two inductors on the top, and a cap in the middle.
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2015-06-05T01:23:42 < Lux> draw one ?
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2015-06-05T01:31:48 < upgrdman_> Lux, well ya. but if there's on in the lib that's i overlooked...
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2015-06-05T01:38:30 < emeb> Today's experiment: F373 SDADC @ 50KSPS x2 chls -> on-chip DAC x2 chls. DMA for both input and output. Buffered processing between.
2015-06-05T01:38:38 < emeb> Seems to work.
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2015-06-05T01:39:14 < emeb> SDADC frequency response is definitely not flat though.
2015-06-05T01:44:04 < emeb> about 3dB down @ 18kHz from amplitude @ 50Hz
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2015-06-05T01:46:40 < upgrdman_> sd = sigma delta?
2015-06-05T01:47:31 < upgrdman_> is there a reason why some people call it DS and some call it SD? seems like "delta sigma" would be the correct term, considering that you "look" at the delta, *then* sigma it.
2015-06-05T01:48:15 < emeb> Depends on if you're doing DAC or ADC
2015-06-05T01:48:18 < emeb> (the order)
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2015-06-05T01:48:48 < upgrdman_> mmm ok
2015-06-05T01:49:11 < emeb> I usually call it SD because that's what I normally see.
2015-06-05T01:49:28 < emeb> I'll understand DS if I hear it though.
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2015-06-05T04:40:25 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-W4Tzg9-o
2015-06-05T04:45:16 < GargantuaSauce> he is coding in an editor he wrote
2015-06-05T04:45:20 < GargantuaSauce> in a language he wrote
2015-06-05T04:45:22 < GargantuaSauce> on an os he wrote
2015-06-05T04:46:11 < GargantuaSauce> he calls it holy C
2015-06-05T04:46:25 < GargantuaSauce> it's a bit different.
2015-06-05T04:46:39 < GargantuaSauce> note that he has fucking 3d models in #defines
2015-06-05T04:46:40 < GargantuaSauce> wut.
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2015-06-05T04:47:11 < GargantuaSauce> dude's bonkers but this is kind of amazing
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2015-06-05T05:14:35 < GargantuaSauce> he is schizophrenic, it's quite clear from his mannerisms and i think he lives on disability
2015-06-05T05:15:11 < GargantuaSauce> lol
2015-06-05T05:15:20 < GargantuaSauce> i dunno weigh his arguments for yourself e_e
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2015-06-05T05:20:37 < GargantuaSauce> now that there is patently false
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2015-06-05T05:22:30 < GargantuaSauce> well i mean it's entirely unsurprising that your views on mental illness are as absurdly simple as other topics that have come to hand
2015-06-05T05:22:48 < GargantuaSauce> so maybe i'll just leave it at that
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2015-06-05T05:48:25 < upgrdman> i remember the first time i heard about templeos. wasn't sure if he was a master troll or severely retarded.
2015-06-05T05:54:31 < upgrdman> dat ornament... http://imgur.com/FVZpbJu
2015-06-05T05:58:35 < upgrdman> LOL. fucking japan.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DADwMfH2y1c&feature=youtu.be
2015-06-05T06:01:12 < GargantuaSauce> i watched that like a week ago but with muted audio
2015-06-05T06:01:18 < GargantuaSauce> it's...a lot funnier with the sound
2015-06-05T06:01:31 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-05T06:04:21 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrBj3u5dPgM&feature=youtu.be
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2015-06-05T06:30:54 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://i.imgur.com/3a6uWS9.png
2015-06-05T06:31:52 < dongs> sup firefox users
2015-06-05T06:31:56 < dongs> i just got up
2015-06-05T06:31:59 < dongs> how's that for a pro
2015-06-05T06:32:03 < upgrdman> good morning
2015-06-05T06:32:18 < dongs> its 12:30 in afternoon
2015-06-05T06:32:26 < upgrdman> ready for a day of foxconning?
2015-06-05T06:32:35 < dongs> nah way to fucking lazy
2015-06-05T06:32:40 < dongs> thus not getting out of bed part
2015-06-05T06:33:04 < dongs> what the hell is taht d oge screenshot
2015-06-05T06:33:55 < upgrdman> no idea
2015-06-05T06:33:59 < upgrdman> for r/unixporn
2015-06-05T06:34:02 < upgrdman> from*
2015-06-05T06:34:39 < upgrdman> oh
2015-06-05T06:34:44 < upgrdman> xfce / xfwm
2015-06-05T06:34:48 < upgrdman> http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/38b0hv/xfce_xfwm_pastel_love/
2015-06-05T06:45:23 < englishman> Dongs, new innovations from China. http://www.banggood.com/Plush-3D-Printed-Samoyed-Husky-Doge-Dog-Throw-Pillow-Alaska-Dog-Cushion-p-980484.html
2015-06-05T06:45:41 < dongs> haha
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2015-06-05T07:29:22 < ReadError> sure this is old now but, still pretty neat
2015-06-05T07:29:23 < ReadError> http://hackaday.com/2015/06/03/how-to-build-beautiful-enclosures-from-fr4-aka-pcbs/
2015-06-05T07:32:54 < dongs> stopped reading when he started the usual MAKE:r waste of time wank
2015-06-05T07:33:07 < dongs> why not just design those enclosures in PCB cad and fucking order them?
2015-06-05T07:33:12 < dongs> etching? laminating? what teh ACTUAL FUCK
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2015-06-05T08:00:19 < ReadError> dongs i meant the fabricated one
2015-06-05T08:00:28 < ReadError> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/fr4-enclosure-blogview.jpg?w=800
2015-06-05T08:00:31 < ReadError> like that, pretty neat
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2015-06-05T08:04:35 < dongs> i spot some MCHP faggotry trhere
2015-06-05T08:14:19 < Peter_M> [11:48] <R2COM> "DOOM is 256 color amnd I think 320x200.  TempleOS is 16 color and 640x480.  It is unlikely DOOM would use much system library code.  I think DOOM would run on bare metal, so the OS is not relevant." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRNcfsDIc2A
2015-06-05T08:15:48 < dongs> thats great
2015-06-05T08:16:36 < dongs> finally i have a use for my 429-disco
2015-06-05T08:17:23 < Peter_M> i thought you sent it to zano with a dildo
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2015-06-05T08:19:58 < dongs> spent a few hundred bucks on ADPs
2015-06-05T08:20:04 < dongs> found a 15uH 4x4 inductor
2015-06-05T08:24:32 < emeb_mac> re: above PCB enclosure stuff. Yeah - do it with normal PCB CAD tools. Works great.
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2015-06-05T08:27:02 < dongs> http://techreport.com/news/28401/viewsonic-delivers-pls-based-4k-monitor-for-437
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2015-06-05T09:17:00 < dongs> http://img.banggood.com/activity_images/ThinkBG-weiqizhang-1200x50-4.jpg
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2015-06-05T10:31:57 < dongs> hmm
2015-06-05T10:32:00 < dongs> this is not the first time
2015-06-05T10:32:08 < dongs> altidong output gerbers are missing the fucking dots
2015-06-05T10:32:10 < dongs> over i's
2015-06-05T10:32:17 < dongs> wat the hell
2015-06-05T10:36:07 < dongs> Peter_M: do have you seen this shit http://i.imgur.com/psEfkI9.jpg ? ever i is missing the dot. its not there on gerber output either
2015-06-05T10:37:03 < dongs> i see a release note from 2009 about 'dots over i's' but thats relevant to directx renderer only and not gerber output
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2015-06-05T10:45:37 < dongs> Ash Ha Please show us onboard footage...please please please!!!!
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2015-06-05T10:45:43 < dongs> ZANO Hi again Ash! The camera module's going to be the feature of our upcoming episode of Creating ZANO which will be coming soon! -Joe
2015-06-05T10:45:59 < dongs> ZANO Hi Ash, we intend on implementing the distribution process later in June of this year for Kickstarter backers and in July for people that have pre-ordered from flyZANO.com, however we are unable to comment on specific orders at this point. We should hopefully have a firm date soon! Regards, Joe
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2015-06-05T10:50:56 < dongs> STM32CubeMX is part of STMicroelectronics STMCube. original initiative to ease developers life by reducing development efforts, time and cost. STM32Cube covers STM32 portfolio.
2015-06-05T10:51:43 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-05T10:52:11 < Laurenceb> initiated to force people to use chibios
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2015-06-05T11:39:16 < dongs> what happened to chats
2015-06-05T11:39:22 < dongs> i cannot wait for the zano shitstorm
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2015-06-05T11:44:29 < specing> What if they deliver?
2015-06-05T11:44:36 < specing> you're going to capsize
2015-06-05T11:53:47 < dongs> deliver waht?
2015-06-05T11:53:51 < dongs> pixie dust?
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2015-06-05T12:05:50 < tecdroid> hi
2015-06-05T12:06:41 < tecdroid> can someone tell me where i can find an api description for stm32f1 standard peripherals library?
2015-06-05T12:08:59 < ReadError> fuck
2015-06-05T12:09:10 < ReadError> built 2 boards, theres some type of internal short in the pcb ;(
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2015-06-05T12:09:47 < jpa-> ReadError: burn it off!
2015-06-05T12:12:52 < ReadError> lol dongs love the silk
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2015-06-05T12:21:25 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-06-05T12:21:29 < Laurenceb__> plotly spam
2015-06-05T12:25:19 < Laurenceb__> die in a fire
2015-06-05T12:25:43 < Laurenceb__> ReadError: burn it burn it burn it
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2015-06-05T12:34:33 < Ecco> Hi guys
2015-06-05T12:34:40 < _Sync_> we have removed some parts from the flight frame after our successful EMC test as they aren't required as Zano is much quieter electrically than expected.  kek
2015-06-05T12:35:19 < Ecco> Another newbie question: what prototyping gear would you recommend? Nowadays the norm seems to be multi-layered PCBs and SMD parts.
2015-06-05T12:35:36 < dongs> yes
2015-06-05T12:35:38 < dongs> and BGAs
2015-06-05T12:35:41 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-05T12:35:42 < dongs> you gotta pay to play
2015-06-05T12:35:46 < Ecco> Yes
2015-06-05T12:35:53 < Ecco> But pay *what* exactly?
2015-06-05T12:36:12 < Ecco> Is it even possible to prototype with these parts? I guess it is, but I don't really know how it's done
2015-06-05T12:36:21 < _Sync_> get a good soldering iron and a hot air gun
2015-06-05T12:36:25 < Laurenceb__> pay with your anal virginity
2015-06-05T12:36:25 < dongs> get your boards fabbed at places, get stencils, get a stencil8 or something for stretching them unless you enjoy kapton trash, get a chinaspecial oven for reflow or ghetto shit.
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2015-06-05T12:37:49 < dongs> Ecco: i prototype 0402 and .65mm pitch BGA all the time
2015-06-05T12:38:08 < Laurenceb__> me 2
2015-06-05T12:38:13 < dongs> except Laurenceb__ is trolling
2015-06-05T12:38:26 < Laurenceb__> yeah i only use arduino
2015-06-05T12:38:32 < Ecco> ok, I just purchased a Hakko FX-888D
2015-06-05T12:38:58 < Ecco> It's very cool and all, but it won't help me with BGAs
2015-06-05T12:39:11 < Ecco> (or even smaller SMD components, I'm sure I would end up goofing things up)
2015-06-05T12:39:56 < Laurenceb__> thats what the hot air is for
2015-06-05T12:40:02 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-05T12:40:15 < Ecco> so hot air gun + flux paste ?
2015-06-05T12:40:24 < Ecco> Pretty much the same principle as a reflow oven then?
2015-06-05T12:40:59 < Laurenceb__> yes
2015-06-05T12:41:24 < Ecco> Hmm, ok I've just read about the stencil8 and stencils
2015-06-05T12:41:29 < Ecco> how do you build stencils?
2015-06-05T12:41:44 < Ecco> And also, that's for the soldering part
2015-06-05T12:41:48 < Ecco> how do you build the PCB?
2015-06-05T12:42:42 < _Sync_> you buy them from china
2015-06-05T12:42:52 < Ecco> I've been to dirtcheappcbs.com
2015-06-05T12:43:05 < Ecco> http://dirtypcbs.com sorry
2015-06-05T12:43:09 < Ecco> Well, it's very nice and all
2015-06-05T12:43:28 < Ecco> but I'd like to make the "design-build-evaluate" cycle much shorter
2015-06-05T12:45:33 < _Sync_> do more projects
2015-06-05T12:45:41 < _Sync_> so that always some pcbs show up
2015-06-05T12:45:45 < Ecco> what do you mean?
2015-06-05T12:45:46 < _Sync_> or just pay for dhl
2015-06-05T12:46:01 < Ecco> Hmm, I see
2015-06-05T12:46:16 < Ecco> Now why bother soldering the components ourselves
2015-06-05T12:46:24 < Ecco> if we already outsource the PCBs?
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2015-06-05T12:46:33 < Ecco> Why not outsourcing the whole prototyping thing?
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2015-06-05T12:47:14 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-06-05T12:47:20 < Laurenceb__> that would cost a fortune
2015-06-05T12:47:32 < Ecco> why?
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2015-06-05T12:48:21 < _Sync_> look at the prices
2015-06-05T12:48:32 < Ecco> well, I mean
2015-06-05T12:49:00 < Ecco> If I ask someone in China to build my prototyping PCBs
2015-06-05T12:49:19 < Ecco> it can make sense because I assume that the dude in china will have a lot of high-end gear that I don't have
2015-06-05T12:49:34 < Ecco> and it will be a lot easier for him to build the PCB than it would be for me
2015-06-05T12:49:54 < Ecco> why wouldn't the same thing be true for soldering the components?
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2015-06-05T12:58:53 < ReadError> erm
2015-06-05T12:59:01 < ReadError> they wont waste their time for such small volume
2015-06-05T12:59:08 < ReadError> now without bending you over and going in deep
2015-06-05T12:59:17 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-05T12:59:25 < ReadError> s/now/not
2015-06-05T12:59:31 < Ecco> So why would they waste their time on PCBs?
2015-06-05T13:00:55 < ReadError> because they can do 1x1m sheets of it with other peoples stuff
2015-06-05T13:01:01 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-05T13:01:15 < zyp> Ecco, I've outsourced prototype assembly before
2015-06-05T13:01:29 < zyp> I don't find it unreasonable
2015-06-05T13:01:44 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-05T13:02:05 < Ecco> And what about the other end of the spectrum? Building PCBs yourself is unrealistic?
2015-06-05T13:02:14 < ReadError> no
2015-06-05T13:02:18 < zyp> no, why?
2015-06-05T13:02:19 < ReadError> you should do that anyways
2015-06-05T13:02:57 < Ecco> ok, that's what I thought but apparently the consensus was to outsource
2015-06-05T13:03:23 < zyp> wait, what do you mean by building
2015-06-05T13:03:27 < zyp> like etching?
2015-06-05T13:03:27 < ReadError> who said that
2015-06-05T13:03:51 < Ecco> "<dongs> get your boards fabbed at places"
2015-06-05T13:03:56 < zyp> if by building you mean etching, then I agree
2015-06-05T13:04:01 < zyp> home etching is a waste of time
2015-06-05T13:04:07 < ReadError> he means boards made Ecco
2015-06-05T13:04:09 < ReadError> not assembled
2015-06-05T13:04:16 < Ecco> yeah
2015-06-05T13:04:42 < ReadError> zyp idk its sorta convenient for simple stuff
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2015-06-05T13:05:04 < Ecco> I'm asking because I'm worried about the delay
2015-06-05T13:05:12 < Ecco> I'm a software guy
2015-06-05T13:05:26 < zyp> outsourcing the production of bare pcbs is cheap and yields way better quality, so it should be a no brainer, home etching is only somewhat useful because it's faster
2015-06-05T13:05:43 < Ecco> And even in software making the "code-run-eval" loop shorter can lead to significantly higher productifity
2015-06-05T13:05:49 < trepidaciousMBR2> You can get PCBs relatively quickly
2015-06-05T13:06:02 < Ecco> I undestand
2015-06-05T13:06:06 < _Sync_> Ecco: get used to hardware design
2015-06-05T13:06:08 < _Sync_> as I said
2015-06-05T13:06:14 < _Sync_> if you have enough projects in the loop
2015-06-05T13:06:20 < _Sync_> you will always have pcbs coming in
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2015-06-05T13:06:27 < Ecco> yeah, unfortunately I have a single project
2015-06-05T13:06:42 < zyp> last time I etched a pcb myself, it were a dummy model for tuning a stripline antenna with a VNA, before sending the design to a fab
2015-06-05T13:07:30 < Ecco> So basically what you guys are saying is "You won't come close to something made by a fab if you do it at home" + "sending it to a fab is cheap" + "sending it to a fab isn't that long anyway"
2015-06-05T13:07:37 < jpa-> Ecco: even when you order boards, you can patch up the mistakes manually
2015-06-05T13:07:43 < zyp> Ecco, yes
2015-06-05T13:07:51 < Ecco> jpa-: oh, right, that makes sense
2015-06-05T13:08:12 < Ecco> (btw, thanks a lot guys, you're definitely very, very helpful. thanks!)
2015-06-05T13:08:42 < Ecco> ok, so I build like a PDF or EPS file, send it to a fab, and get my PCBs in the mail
2015-06-05T13:08:45 < jpa-> Ecco: i would say more like: you can make reasonable proto boards by yourself, and it is not very expensive *BUT* if you are doing this for pay, you will save money by ordering instead of spending the 1-2 hours of your own time
2015-06-05T13:08:57 < zyp> Ecco, not pdf or eps, fabs want gerbers
2015-06-05T13:09:11 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-05T13:09:18 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: I missed the start so I may be missing something, but you can normally get somewhere with some dev boards and eval boards and hideous wires :)
2015-06-05T13:09:29 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-05T13:09:32 < Ecco> Well, for example
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2015-06-05T13:09:41 < Ecco> I'm evaluating LCD panels right now
2015-06-05T13:09:42 < karlp> that stencil8 page is a nice read, thanks dongs
2015-06-05T13:09:45 < Ecco> I ordered some samples
2015-06-05T13:09:52 < Ecco> So far so good
2015-06-05T13:10:00 < Ecco> they come with 0.5mm-spaced connectors
2015-06-05T13:10:15 < Ecco> *way* past my current hand-soldering foo
2015-06-05T13:10:32 < zyp> 0.5mm is easy to hand solder
2015-06-05T13:10:40 < Ecco> well, there's like 40 of them in a row
2015-06-05T13:10:45 < jpa-> i think that making your own boards can actually be more useful for newbies than more experienced people; because newbies need more proto rounds, and learning about how the boards get made helps you make better designs
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2015-06-05T13:10:47 < Ecco> I'm sure I would goof things up at some point
2015-06-05T13:10:49 < zyp> the trick is just to flood the pins with solder, then remove the excess afterwards
2015-06-05T13:11:08 < Ecco> zyp: yeah, but remember, I don't even have a PCB at that point
2015-06-05T13:11:11 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: It depends on how common the parts are, but often there are breakout boards or adapters to get everything to bigger connectors
2015-06-05T13:11:11 < jpa-> Ecco: pretty much every STM32 is 0.5mm spaced also, and it is not that hard to solder
2015-06-05T13:11:23 < zyp> jpa-, that's a fair point
2015-06-05T13:11:32 < Ecco> Indeed, but my current STM32 is a dev board
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2015-06-05T13:11:54 < Ecco> so I didn't have to bother with smaller soldering jobs
2015-06-05T13:12:04 < zyp> I tend to forget the fact that I used to make a bunch of boards at home while I was learning :)
2015-06-05T13:12:19 < Ecco> jpa-: That's interesting
2015-06-05T13:12:25 < trepidaciousMBR2> I've never made a board by hand, I'm terrified of the etchant ;)
2015-06-05T13:12:40 < trepidaciousMBR2> We tried milling some, that was a complete nightmare
2015-06-05T13:12:48 < Ecco> What about multi-layered PCBs?
2015-06-05T13:12:55 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, i also often end up thinking "that is sooo easy".. "after you have 10 years of experience doing it.."
2015-06-05T13:12:57 < Ecco> I know that my design will need at least two layers
2015-06-05T13:13:18 < trepidaciousMBR2> We got some stuff from http://dirtypcbs.com/about.php recently, it seemed pretty ok
2015-06-05T13:13:27 < jpa-> Ecco: 2 layers is the practical maximum you can make reasonably at home; i only do 1.5 layer, anything more i'll order
2015-06-05T13:13:27 < Ecco> interesting
2015-06-05T13:13:40 < Ecco> 1.5? Is that some kind of joke? :-D
2015-06-05T13:13:43 < jpa-> nope
2015-06-05T13:13:49 < Ecco> lemme google that :)
2015-06-05T13:13:50 < TheSeven> single sided + wire bridges?
2015-06-05T13:13:51 < jpa-> 1 side traces, other side just plain copper
2015-06-05T13:13:58 < jpa-> for ground plane
2015-06-05T13:14:02 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-06-05T13:14:05 < zyp> my father is an electrician so he got me into electronics early on
2015-06-05T13:14:20 < jpa-> great for signal quality, and having the ground plane makes routing stuff on 1 layer much easier
2015-06-05T13:14:21 < zyp> I was probably like eight the first time I designed and etched a board
2015-06-05T13:14:33 < Ecco> zyp: nice :)
2015-06-05T13:14:35 < Ecco> jpa-: ok, I understand
2015-06-05T13:14:48 < zyp> designed on paper, hand-drawn on the board with a resist pen :)
2015-06-05T13:14:48  * TheSeven ordered the last round of PCBs at shenzhen2u... price is cheap, quality quite reasonable aside from minor silkscreen issues and a little scratch here and there
2015-06-05T13:14:56 < Ecco> Now regarding fabs
2015-06-05T13:14:59 < jpa-> zyp: i was probably 10 or something; the board was a VU meter - three trimmers and three leds - didn't work very well ;)
2015-06-05T13:15:06 < karlp> trepidaciousMBR2: milling is weird, needs a different way of thinking about routing :)
2015-06-05T13:15:12 < Ecco> Should I order in china? Or should I work with someone closer? (I'm in europe)
2015-06-05T13:15:41 < jpa-> karlp, trepidaciousMBR2: funny, i switched from etching to milling recently and it was a piece of cake
2015-06-05T13:15:43 < TheSeven> well, that depends on how much round-trip time you can accept
2015-06-05T13:15:51 < karlp> jpa-: oh, I would never do etching
2015-06-05T13:15:53 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: You must have a better miller than us ;)
2015-06-05T13:16:18 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: What hardware do you use?
2015-06-05T13:16:20 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: there exists worse machines than CNC3020? ;)
2015-06-05T13:16:21 < karlp> just things like plated vias and the assumption that youc an switch sides at any through hole drill hit was a bit of a surprise
2015-06-05T13:16:26 < TheSeven> I think one week roundtrip in china is doable at little extra cost, still cheaper than doing it locally, but below that it might get tricky
2015-06-05T13:16:33 < karlp> "oh, I need to get solder on both sides.  including under that part"
2015-06-05T13:16:39 < Ecco> Interesting
2015-06-05T13:16:43 < TheSeven> it also depends on whether you need any ultra-advanced features
2015-06-05T13:16:59 < TheSeven> things like <6mil traces/clearance, ...
2015-06-05T13:17:02 < Ecco> Well, to be honest, compared to the time I'm investing, I really don't care about the price of the PCB
2015-06-05T13:17:06 < zyp> oh, I actually git a design milled once too
2015-06-05T13:17:09 < TheSeven> 8+ layers
2015-06-05T13:17:14 < Ecco> It seems to be a few dollars from china
2015-06-05T13:17:17 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: That looks cool, so it works ok for PCBs?
2015-06-05T13:17:30 < Ecco> I wouldn't mind paying $20 if it could be in the mail like the day after or something like that
2015-06-05T13:17:35 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: slowish (only 10kRPM) but works
2015-06-05T13:17:37 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/cnc3020_pcb.jpg
2015-06-05T13:17:54 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: That looks really nice
2015-06-05T13:17:56 < jpa-> karlp: ah, yeah; those can be gotchas
2015-06-05T13:18:10 < jpa-> karlp: i hit none of those because of coming from home-etched boards :)
2015-06-05T13:18:10 < TheSeven> Ecco: for "the day after" it's more like $1k though
2015-06-05T13:18:14 < Ecco> oh
2015-06-05T13:18:16 < Ecco> TheSeven: Why?
2015-06-05T13:18:22 < zyp> the local uni has a decent pcb milling machine (that they got after I gratuated), so this time people at work came «we need this board made, and we need it yesterday», I just headed there with the design
2015-06-05T13:18:31 < TheSeven> starting at 3-4 days you get somewhat reasonable prices
2015-06-05T13:18:38 < Ecco> Why such a difference?
2015-06-05T13:18:55 < TheSeven> because they know that people who are *really* in a hurry don't care about cost
2015-06-05T13:19:17 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-05T13:19:23 < jpa-> also because they make a large panel at a time
2015-06-05T13:19:28 < trepidaciousMBR2> jpa-: so you leave the back as one ground plane, how do you make the connection, lots of solder?
2015-06-05T13:19:30 < Ecco> hmm, ok, makes sense
2015-06-05T13:19:40 < jpa-> so the price is divided among all the boards on the panel; but if you need it quick, they may not have a full panel
2015-06-05T13:20:01 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR2: small wire and solder; http://essentialscrap.com/tips/1.5_layer_pcb/
2015-06-05T13:20:08 < Ecco> ok that's interesting
2015-06-05T13:20:20 < Ecco> Ok, so now let's assume I got my PCBs
2015-06-05T13:20:26 < zyp> two layer pcbs is also fairly easy
2015-06-05T13:20:41 < Ecco> I got my components from farnell and misc vendors
2015-06-05T13:20:52 < Ecco> how should I solder all this?
2015-06-05T13:20:52 < zyp> if you have a double sided light box, aligning the sides is no problem
2015-06-05T13:21:43 < jpa-> zyp: yeah; though the effort of soldering two vias is pretty much the same as soldering a jumper wire, so i usually just go with the wire
2015-06-05T13:21:49 < TheSeven> I guess etching PCBs myself would really be too much time and hassle for me - especially considering that professionally made PCBs are easier to solder to
2015-06-05T13:22:02 < Ecco> That's interesting
2015-06-05T13:22:10 < Ecco> By the way, regarding two-layers PCBs
2015-06-05T13:22:17 < TheSeven> and given that I'm doing this mostly as a hobby, and I do care about cost, I usually just to the ~1 month china roundtrip route
2015-06-05T13:22:26 < Ecco> when you order them from a fab, they do make the contacts between the two layers, don't they?
2015-06-05T13:22:28 < zyp> jpa-, when I still did home-etching, I made it into an art form to have no vias apart from pth pins :)
2015-06-05T13:22:42 < TheSeven> Ecco: sure
2015-06-05T13:22:51 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: Yup, I think the term is plated vias?
2015-06-05T13:23:03 < Ecco> Excellent
2015-06-05T13:23:11 < jpa-> zyp: i switched to smd quite early in my electronics hobby :)
2015-06-05T13:23:17 < TheSeven> or vias in general, in contrast to non-plated holes
2015-06-05T13:23:29 < jpa-> partly because i got a bunch of smd parts free from a friend
2015-06-05T13:23:47 < TheSeven> for some reason shenzen2u keeps plating each and every hole, no matter what my files say ;)
2015-06-05T13:23:54 < TheSeven> so I even have plated mounting holes :P
2015-06-05T13:24:07 < TheSeven> probably saves them a production step or two
2015-06-05T13:24:40 < zyp> jpa-, I made a board once with two smt opamps and one pth opamp, just because the pth opamp needed access to both sides of the board ;)
2015-06-05T13:24:42 < trepidaciousMBR2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_(electronics)#/media/File:Bga_und_via_IMGP4531_wp.jpg
2015-06-05T13:24:43 < jpa-> yeah, have to drill separately if you want copper around the pad but no plating
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2015-06-05T13:25:42 < zyp> IIRC I had smt parts on both sides of the board, then the pth opamp were the only pth part apart from the connector, and there were no other vias
2015-06-05T13:26:14 < TheSeven> interesting layer stack
2015-06-05T13:26:32 < TheSeven> don't 4 layer boards typically have the middle layers much closer together?
2015-06-05T13:26:37 < zyp> no
2015-06-05T13:26:58 < jpa-> i once made some funny board with pic + ethernet + stuff; etched and a bazillion of tiny vias soldered by hand - too bad i never got around to making the software so that i'd know if it even worked
2015-06-05T13:27:08 < zyp> 4 layer boards is usually a thick core, then thin prefabs between the inner and outer layer on either side
2015-06-05T13:27:11 < jpa-> TheSeven: no, usually the middle insulator is thicker and the sides are closer
2015-06-05T13:27:43 < TheSeven> guess they taught me absolute bullshit at the university then
2015-06-05T13:29:06 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- check the layer counter in the upper right corner, you can easily see 1 and 2 there, but it's hard to spot 3 and 4 through the core
2015-06-05T13:29:29 < TheSeven> yeah right, now that I'm thinking about it...
2015-06-05T13:29:42 < Ecco> While we're on the PCB topic
2015-06-05T13:29:45 < Ecco> when you mass-produce
2015-06-05T13:29:55 < Ecco> are PCBs with fewer layers cheaper?
2015-06-05T13:29:56 < TheSeven> so you only get a closely spaced center pair on 6+ layers?
2015-06-05T13:30:14 < zyp> Ecco, in mass production, the difference is not so significant
2015-06-05T13:30:23 < zyp> Ecco, and fewer how?
2015-06-05T13:30:44 < zyp> even for protos, two layers is about as cheap as one
2015-06-05T13:30:44 < Ecco> I don't know, 1 layer vs 2 vs 4 ? Do 4-layers even exist?
2015-06-05T13:30:48 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-05T13:30:59 < zyp> Ecco, sure, the pic I just posted is of a 4 layer board
2015-06-05T13:31:04 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-05T13:31:16 < BrainDamage> 16 layers exist too
2015-06-05T13:31:22 < Ecco> oh, wow
2015-06-05T13:31:27 < jpa-> >4 starts to cost extra usually
2015-06-05T13:31:37 < zyp> yeah, computer motherboards tend to be a bunch of layers
2015-06-05T13:31:37  * TheSeven was rather surprised to see a rather trivial sub-board in an APC UPS have 6 or 8 layers, "just because we can", for no real reason... probably because they panelized that together with another board that needed it or whatever
2015-06-05T13:31:45 < jpa-> 2 or 4 are pretty much the same when you order in quantity, but 4 layer is more expensive for proto
2015-06-05T13:32:14 < Ecco> Ok, very interesting
2015-06-05T13:32:21 < Ecco> now back to the "prototyping" thing
2015-06-05T13:32:28 < Ecco> Let's say I received my PCBs
2015-06-05T13:32:48 < Ecco> What would be the ideal gear to have to solder SMT stuff on the PCBs?
2015-06-05T13:32:56 < zyp> a reflow oven
2015-06-05T13:33:00 < Ecco> I don't mind spending some money (>$1000) if that guarantees nice results
2015-06-05T13:33:12 < jpa-> nothing guarantees nice results if you mess up
2015-06-05T13:33:14 < Ecco> (I meant less than $1000)
2015-06-05T13:33:27 < TheSeven> while we're at it... on large scale produced PCBs I often see some kind of alignment markers, however I've never seen a prototype PCB fab have any requirements for that stuff - can it improve the quality/yield if I place something like that myself?
2015-06-05T13:33:28 < jpa-> you can solder reasonably with just a plain iron, suitable tip and some flux
2015-06-05T13:33:31 < Ecco> Yeah, ok, but sometimes a nicer tools yields much better results on average)
2015-06-05T13:33:31 < BrainDamage> getting a stencil rather than manually splattering paste helps a lot
2015-06-05T13:33:34 < zyp> I bought some china shit oven which is good enough for hobby use
2015-06-05T13:33:40 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: A lot of it is being good at using it, unless it's very expensive (AFAIK)
2015-06-05T13:33:43 < jpa-> TheSeven: the markers are for pick & place
2015-06-05T13:33:50 < TheSeven> ah right, that explains a lot
2015-06-05T13:34:14 < jpa-> if you send your boards to pick & place without markers, they'll be a bit unhappy :)
2015-06-05T13:34:29 < Ecco> what kind of markers are we talking about?
2015-06-05T13:34:36 < zyp> Ecco, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/lNfIS.JPG <- here's the thing I've got, it's way less than $1000
2015-06-05T13:34:39 < jpa-> circles, usually
2015-06-05T13:35:06 < Ecco> Are stencils required with a reflow oven?
2015-06-05T13:35:18 < BrainDamage> no
2015-06-05T13:35:21 < BrainDamage> but they help
2015-06-05T13:35:22 < Ecco> I thought the all point of reflowing was to actually rely on the capilarity of the liquid solder
2015-06-05T13:35:25 < zyp> not strictly, but it makes everything much faster
2015-06-05T13:35:29 < TheSeven> me wonders how much hassle doing solder paste with a stencil and squeege manually really is
2015-06-05T13:35:39 < Ecco> s/the all/the whole, damnit
2015-06-05T13:35:39 < TheSeven> so far I'm just soldering everything by hand for prototyping
2015-06-05T13:35:46 < zyp> you can apply paste by hand, but you don't want to ;)
2015-06-05T13:35:52 < trepidaciousMBR2> I would have though having paste everywhere would be a bit of a problem
2015-06-05T13:35:53 < jpa-> TheSeven: less hassle than the part where you have to tweezer all the parts into place :)
2015-06-05T13:35:59 < BrainDamage> the whole point of a stencil is that you control the amount of paste you apply as well as do a whole board in a sweep
2015-06-05T13:36:13 < Ecco> BrainDamage: Gotcha
2015-06-05T13:36:16 < BrainDamage> and squishing dense paste trough a tube is fucking annoying
2015-06-05T13:36:33 < Ecco> But I'll probably do very very few boards in the beginning. The the trouble of building the stencil might not be worth it
2015-06-05T13:36:36 < Ecco> Also
2015-06-05T13:36:40 < Ecco> Who builds the stencil?
2015-06-05T13:36:44 < jpa-> you order it
2015-06-05T13:36:44 < zyp> stencils are fairly cheap anyway, so if you value your time, get one
2015-06-05T13:36:47 < BrainDamage> you can order them, laser cut
2015-06-05T13:36:53 < Ecco> Can the fab do it along with the PCB?
2015-06-05T13:37:00 < TheSeven> typically yes
2015-06-05T13:37:00 < jpa-> sometimes
2015-06-05T13:37:05 < Ecco> yeah ok
2015-06-05T13:37:05 < TheSeven> depends on the fab
2015-06-05T13:37:15 < Laurenceb__> my friend Leo uses that cheap china oven for production
2015-06-05T13:37:23 < Laurenceb__> but iirc he uses custom firmware
2015-06-05T13:37:25 < jpa-> also there are places that will do everything, i.e. pcb, stencil, pick & place and reflow soldering
2015-06-05T13:37:31 < jpa-> and you get the readymade board back
2015-06-05T13:37:45 < zyp> Laurenceb__, I'm too lazy to do production assembly at home
2015-06-05T13:37:56 < Ecco> jpa-: Yeah, I guess that's how you mass produce anyway
2015-06-05T13:38:01 < zyp> at least without a p&p machine :p
2015-06-05T13:38:07 < ReadError> Ecco http://smart-prototyping.com/PCB-Prototyping.html
2015-06-05T13:38:08 < Laurenceb__> iirc he said the stock firmware has unstable temp control
2015-06-05T13:38:15 < ReadError> they will do stencils for 17$
2015-06-05T13:38:20 < Laurenceb__> but he fixed it
2015-06-05T13:38:39 < zyp> Laurenceb__, it's stable enough that I don't give a fuck
2015-06-05T13:38:48 < Ecco> ReadError: Indeed
2015-06-05T13:38:49 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-06-05T13:38:56 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: Some places will be happy to buy in parts in small quantities, others will insist on having a real of 10 million of everything
2015-06-05T13:39:01 < trepidaciousMBR2> real = reel
2015-06-05T13:39:04 < Ecco> yess
2015-06-05T13:39:06 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-05T13:39:06 < jpa-> Ecco: it's not that expensive even for small quantities
2015-06-05T13:39:27 < Ecco> Thing is, in the beginning I'll probably screw a bunch of things
2015-06-05T13:39:27 < jpa-> IIRC the last time i was involved in 10 pcs series, the setup cost was around 500 EUR
2015-06-05T13:39:44 < Ecco> So paying €500 for each error is going to get old quick :)
2015-06-05T13:40:01 < ReadError> plus you should learn to like, actually do it yourself
2015-06-05T13:40:02 < jpa-> if you are aiming to profit, it's only 5 days pay :P
2015-06-05T13:40:08 < ReadError> incase you need to rework or swap a part
2015-06-05T13:40:12 < BrainDamage> design your prototypes with missing components, cuttable traces, etc
2015-06-05T13:40:16 < TheSeven> given that my PCB work is mostly for educational projects, just ordering the PCBs and assembling manually with a soldering iron has the advantage that I usually just hand out kits to the kids and let them learn how to solder SMD properly ;)
2015-06-05T13:40:21 < BrainDamage> as well as don't fuck up :p
2015-06-05T13:40:25 < zyp> jpa-, days? how cheap are your hours? :p
2015-06-05T13:40:31 < jpa-> zyp: cheap :)
2015-06-05T13:40:56 < jpa-> also pay, not subcontracting cost :)
2015-06-05T13:41:00 < Ecco> Well that does make sense
2015-06-05T13:41:18 < jpa-> TheSeven: sounds nice :)
2015-06-05T13:41:30 < Ecco> What about markings on the PCBs
2015-06-05T13:41:35 < Ecco> do they also do this?
2015-06-05T13:41:37 < jpa-> TheSeven: too many places if they have anything electronics-related, use through-hole parts and other ancient technology
2015-06-05T13:41:43 < TheSeven> Ecco: "silkscreen", and yes
2015-06-05T13:41:44 < jpa-> silkscreen, yes
2015-06-05T13:41:46 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-05T13:41:55 < Ecco> That's a funny name :)
2015-06-05T13:42:09 < zyp> €500 would get you around a day and a half at the rate I negotiated on monday :p
2015-06-05T13:42:59 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, pretty much the same for the cost of my IRCing to the clients
2015-06-05T13:43:06 < jpa-> i only receive a tiny part of it though :P
2015-06-05T13:43:07 < Ecco> ^^
2015-06-05T13:43:08 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: It's a printing technique that they probably won't use to print your silkscreen ;)
2015-06-05T13:43:22 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-05T13:43:35 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ecco: Most places will just use some awful inkjet style thing to spatter white paint more or less in the area of any text etc.
2015-06-05T13:43:41 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-05T13:43:53 < jpa-> with any luck, also all over your pads
2015-06-05T13:43:56 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-05T13:44:06 < Ecco> Ok, it's starting to be clearer at this point
2015-06-05T13:44:09 < BrainDamage> nah, they train hoardes of spiders to shit on your board according to the cad drawing
2015-06-05T13:44:21 < trepidaciousMBR2> That's the FANCY approach ;)
2015-06-05T13:44:40 < Ecco> Now regarding the soldering itself
2015-06-05T13:44:47 < Ecco> I just bought a Hakko FX888D like I said
2015-06-05T13:44:50 < TheSeven> jpa-: yes, officially they only do breadboard and maybe a bit through hole stuff there, but for the kids who are just bored by the official classes I have some other hobby projects to play around with. thus I have a massive focus on keeping PCB and parts cost low to make it affordable for the kids, time is not so much of an issue as it's hobby anyway
2015-06-05T13:45:16 < Ecco> Is it honestly realisty to solder a LQFP144 with that thing?
2015-06-05T13:45:27 < _Sync_> yes
2015-06-05T13:45:27 < BrainDamage> yes
2015-06-05T13:45:32 < zyp> cheap silk: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/TgK0Q.JPG good silk: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E08pl.JPG
2015-06-05T13:45:40 < Ecco> How? I mean I'm usually pretty accurate with my hands
2015-06-05T13:45:49 < jpa-> find a few videos on youtube
2015-06-05T13:45:50 < Ecco> but I wouldn't even know where to start :(
2015-06-05T13:45:56 < BrainDamage> there's a series of tecniques, drag soldering, etc
2015-06-05T13:46:02 < BrainDamage> what jpa- said
2015-06-05T13:46:06 < Ecco> zyp: Oh wow, amazing difference
2015-06-05T13:46:17 < Ecco> Do I need a special tip?
2015-06-05T13:46:22 < Ecco> (for the soldering iron)
2015-06-05T13:46:24 < TheSeven> Ecco: the thing is that you don't need to be really accurate
2015-06-05T13:46:25 < jpa-> the process is just: 1. put the part in correct place 2. solder one pin 3. check it is in correct place 4. somehow get solder on all other pins 5. check that there are no short-circuits
2015-06-05T13:46:38 < Ecco> Oh
2015-06-05T13:46:39 < TheSeven> on a good PCB, the solder will automatically go where you want it to be
2015-06-05T13:46:44 < Ecco> Oooh
2015-06-05T13:46:44 < _Sync_> zyp: dat solder bridge
2015-06-05T13:46:53 < TheSeven> you basically just drag a blohb along the edge of the pads
2015-06-05T13:46:55 < BrainDamage> flood with solder, remove excess with wick
2015-06-05T13:46:57 < TheSeven> blob*
2015-06-05T13:46:59 < Ecco> So it still relies on the capillarity, right?
2015-06-05T13:47:02 < BrainDamage> yes
2015-06-05T13:47:03 < ReadError> drag soldering is a bit tricker IMO
2015-06-05T13:47:04 < zyp> _Sync_, what bridge?
2015-06-05T13:47:06 < jpa-> the only part with accuracy requirements is getting the chip in correct place
2015-06-05T13:47:08 < ReadError> tin the pads
2015-06-05T13:47:12 < superbia> join #arduino
2015-06-05T13:47:14 < ReadError> place part, flux, heat
2015-06-05T13:47:20 < jpa-> superbia: no, we won't
2015-06-05T13:47:22 < Ecco> hmm, ok
2015-06-05T13:47:27 < _Sync_> zyp: TgK0Q on the right side of the lqfp
2015-06-05T13:47:58 < zyp> huh?
2015-06-05T13:48:10 < TheSeven> re: inkjet silkscreen... I'd be happy if it would always look like that
2015-06-05T13:48:22 < zyp> _Sync_, I don't see any, I just see flux residue
2015-06-05T13:48:28 < TheSeven> for some reason the thickness of these dots are vastly different in different areas of the PCBs I got
2015-06-05T13:48:50 < _Sync_> ah, looked like a speck of solder on the pins
2015-06-05T13:48:52 < TheSeven> to the point where there's barely anything visible in some corners
2015-06-05T13:49:05 < Ecco> Isn't there a risk of burning the chip?
2015-06-05T13:49:28 < zyp> Ecco, not with a reflow oven, it'll follow a safe heating and cooloff curve
2015-06-05T13:49:34 < TheSeven> Ecco: my experience says that the thing that you'll damage first is typically the PCB
2015-06-05T13:49:41 < Ecco> yeah, the reflow oven seems to be the safest solution
2015-06-05T13:49:42 < ReadError> sensors too
2015-06-05T13:49:49 < ReadError> but actual MCU ive yet to kill from heat
2015-06-05T13:49:54 < TheSeven> not the parts on it (aside from some really delicate things like LEDs)
2015-06-05T13:50:04 < Ecco> Well, last time I tried reflow soldering (it was reaaaaly tricky though) I ended up burning my LEDs
2015-06-05T13:50:09 < BrainDamage> check out tomwhatever ( tom69 ? ) on rcforums for everything you shouldn't do
2015-06-05T13:50:19 < ReadError> lol BrainDamage
2015-06-05T13:50:20 < zyp> Ecco, the important part about reflow is to not heat/cool it too fast, because of stuff like thermal expansion
2015-06-05T13:50:27 < Ecco> gotcha
2015-06-05T13:51:17 < Ecco> Is the "oven + stencil" easier than hand soldering?
2015-06-05T13:51:22 < Laurenceb__> I just wrote an essay on american patriotism
2015-06-05T13:51:24 < BrainDamage> magnitudes
2015-06-05T13:51:25 < zyp> but the best part of using a stencil and a reflow oven is how easy it makes it
2015-06-05T13:51:28 < TheSeven> when soldering manually, ripping pads off the board while attempting to fix some mess seems to be the top1 cause of damage
2015-06-05T13:51:29 < Laurenceb__> you essay, you essay
2015-06-05T13:51:40 < Ecco> ok
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2015-06-05T13:52:03 < Ecco> so basically, the easiest way, summarized, would be :
2015-06-05T13:52:06 < zyp> you just put on the stencil, squeege on the paste, place all components with tweezers, put the board in the oven and press start
2015-06-05T13:52:11 < TheSeven> I haven't worked with reflow so far, but I guess it largely depends on the number and type of components that you're soldering
2015-06-05T13:52:19 < BrainDamage> oven + stencil the only source of error is essentially alignment
2015-06-05T13:52:36 < jpa-> and tombstoning :)
2015-06-05T13:52:48 < zyp> TheSeven, well
2015-06-05T13:53:02 < TheSeven> I guess for low pad counts it's just not worth it
2015-06-05T13:53:06 < BrainDamage> dat vertical chip
2015-06-05T13:53:13 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG <- I figured that since this board is only 9 components, I'd just drop the stencil and hand solder it
2015-06-05T13:53:18 < zyp> worst decision ever
2015-06-05T13:53:26 < _Sync_> if you manage to tombstone a chip you are doing it rong
2015-06-05T13:53:36 < BrainDamage> that's the joke
2015-06-05T13:53:42 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Tu8NXu5UA#t=19m40
2015-06-05T13:53:44 < ReadError> zyp ive never used a stencil
2015-06-05T13:53:51 < ReadError> w/ good paste its not bad
2015-06-05T13:53:55 < ReadError> zeph sticks like a charm
2015-06-05T13:53:55 < Ecco> That's what you were talking about right?
2015-06-05T13:54:02 < Ecco> It doesn't seem that hard indeed
2015-06-05T13:54:08 < ReadError> the cheaper shit wont adhear to the pads easily and pulls up
2015-06-05T13:54:21 < zyp> well, I didn't use paste at all, I just hand assembled it
2015-06-05T13:54:30 < zyp> since I'm out of paste as well .p
2015-06-05T13:54:44 < ReadError> well you have a dongs
2015-06-05T13:54:50  * TheSeven tries to figure out what that boards is supposed to do
2015-06-05T13:54:57 < _Sync_> troll
2015-06-05T13:55:12 < zyp> TheSeven, everybody does that, it's a fun design like that :D
2015-06-05T13:55:30 < ReadError> something w/ USB
2015-06-05T13:55:39 < ReadError> 2 USBs?
2015-06-05T13:55:53 < zyp> the qfp is an stm32l0
2015-06-05T13:56:05 < Ecco> zyp: How can you tell??
2015-06-05T13:56:08 < ReadError> i like that tag connect stuff
2015-06-05T13:56:14 < Ecco> (you're talking about the YouTube video I linked, right?)
2015-06-05T13:56:27 < zyp> Ecco, no, I'm talking about this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG
2015-06-05T13:56:28 < TheSeven> guess the 8 pin thing on the right is some kind of debug interface?
2015-06-05T13:56:35 < Ecco> Ooh, ok
2015-06-05T13:56:56 < TheSeven> but that trace to the l0 pin on the top right is confusing me
2015-06-05T13:57:11 < zyp> TheSeven, you mean the so-8? it's a max485
2015-06-05T13:57:23 < _Sync_> why the fuck is he cleaning the flux
2015-06-05T13:57:24 < _Sync_> pfft
2015-06-05T13:57:34 < TheSeven> WTF, USB abused as serial again? :P
2015-06-05T13:57:52 < TheSeven> only place I've seen that before is an IBM bladecenter
2015-06-05T13:58:01 < Ecco> What's the point of this transparent liquid they put on the PCB, and what is it called?
2015-06-05T13:58:05 < TheSeven> shipping with USB A sockets for the serial cable
2015-06-05T13:58:17 < _Sync_> Ecco: listen to him
2015-06-05T13:58:19 < TheSeven> and no, that's not usb-serial, that's a real RS232 port with a USB socket :P
2015-06-05T13:58:24 < _Sync_> he clearly says what he did
2015-06-05T13:58:25 < zyp> TheSeven, this is a JVS interface, using USB sockets for a RS485 based protocol
2015-06-05T13:58:33 < TheSeven> Ecco: flux
2015-06-05T13:58:37 < Ecco> (Oh, I muted the video, the kid's sleeping)
2015-06-05T13:58:44 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-05T13:59:11 < zyp> abusing usb sockets is not that unique even
2015-06-05T13:59:38 < TheSeven> zyp: what the hell is the story with pin 12's routing?
2015-06-05T13:59:58 < TheSeven> looks like it's just GND, but routed in a rather odd way
2015-06-05T14:00:20 < zyp> when I worked with phones, vendor prototypes/devboards often had a ton of micro usb connectors, often used for logic level debug uarts of various chips
2015-06-05T14:00:44 < zyp> TheSeven, it runs to pin4 on the so-8, underneath the silk
2015-06-05T14:01:09 < _Sync_> the fuck zyp
2015-06-05T14:01:11 < _Sync_> why?
2015-06-05T14:01:11 < _Sync_> D:
2015-06-05T14:01:23 < Laurenceb__> i like to use Hirose connectors
2015-06-05T14:01:25 < TheSeven> hah, indeed
2015-06-05T14:01:29 < TheSeven> that was hard to see
2015-06-05T14:01:41 < Laurenceb__> but then again i make commercial stuff
2015-06-05T14:01:54 < Laurenceb__> dont want people plugging in usb
2015-06-05T14:02:16 < zyp> _Sync_, probably because it's an easily available 5-pin connector
2015-06-05T14:02:17 < _Sync_> well gotta have 300V on the pins
2015-06-05T14:02:24 < zyp> idk. ask phone mfgs
2015-06-05T14:02:37 < trepidaciousMBR2> Sounds like an awesome way to terribly damage a USB host :)
2015-06-05T14:02:45 < zyp> nah
2015-06-05T14:03:03 < Ecco> Ok, all this was *super* interesting guys
2015-06-05T14:03:04 < Ecco> I have to go
2015-06-05T14:03:06 < Ecco> Thank you so much
2015-06-05T14:03:15 < Ecco> Last question, I'll read later:
2015-06-05T14:03:20 < Ecco> any good fab recommendations?
2015-06-05T14:03:34 < TheSeven> for simple boards they pretty much all work
2015-06-05T14:03:45 < TheSeven> seeed, shenzhen2u, dirtypcbs, itead, ...
2015-06-05T14:03:56 < Ecco> ok. Maybe some are faster?
2015-06-05T14:04:00 < Ecco> thanks TheSeven
2015-06-05T14:04:00 < zyp> oshpark maybe
2015-06-05T14:04:10 < TheSeven> "simple" a in 2 layer 6mil trace/clearance
2015-06-05T14:04:35 < zyp> oshpark even does fairly affordable 4-layer boards
2015-06-05T14:04:43 < TheSeven> roundtrip for the standard shipping options is 2-4 weeks for all of them I think
2015-06-05T14:04:53 < TheSeven> but you can pay extra to speed up shipping at most of them
2015-06-05T14:05:03 < Ecco> OSHpark is based in the US, so that's good for US customers
2015-06-05T14:05:09 < Ecco> Any good one based in Europe?
2015-06-05T14:05:15 < zyp> not that I know of
2015-06-05T14:05:15 < TheSeven> PCB production itself is ususally 3-6 days, so shipping is the major delay
2015-06-05T14:05:21 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-05T14:05:25 < Ecco> And chinapost is slooow
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2015-06-05T14:05:35 < Ecco> and DHL super expensive, and they kill you at the customs too
2015-06-05T14:06:00 < zyp> I'm in europe myself, but I've yet to use an european fab
2015-06-05T14:06:28 < zyp> I think Laurenceb__ tried some and just had bad luck with them :p
2015-06-05T14:06:36 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-05T14:06:40 < TheSeven> I usually finish the board design, send it over, then work a few weeks on firmware prototypes etc. using breakouts or whatever while waiting for the boards
2015-06-05T14:06:48 < Ecco> That makes sense
2015-06-05T14:06:54 < Ecco> Anyway, thanks again guys
2015-06-05T14:06:59 < Ecco> The whole picture is a lot clearer
2015-06-05T14:07:05 < Ecco> I think I'll give a try to hand soldering
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2015-06-05T14:07:11 < Ecco> and if that doesn't work I'll buy a reflow oven
2015-06-05T14:07:33 < Ecco> bye :)
2015-06-05T14:07:42 < zyp> either works, but the reflow oven is well worth it if you're going to assemble an amount of boards and value your time :p
2015-06-05T14:07:43 < TheSeven> zyp: oshpark seems expensive, especially for 4-layer
2015-06-05T14:07:57 < zyp> TheSeven, compared to what?
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2015-06-05T14:08:25 < TheSeven> (at least if you plan to order 10 boards)
2015-06-05T14:08:51 < TheSeven> 5x5cm 4-layer => $23 + shipping in china
2015-06-05T14:09:07 < TheSeven> 10x10cm 4-layer => $49
2015-06-05T14:09:25 < TheSeven> effectively $6 per 10x10cm pcb
2015-06-05T14:09:40 < zyp> last time I did a 4-layer at oshpark, seeed and the likes didn't offer it
2015-06-05T14:10:20 < Abhishek_> TheSeven: Try dirtyPCB and Elecrow
2015-06-05T14:10:56 < zyp> then again, I haven't even done a board at oshpark since they changed the name to oshpark :)
2015-06-05T14:11:00 < TheSeven> dirtypcb was more expensive than sz2u as well
2015-06-05T14:11:25 < ReadError> also
2015-06-05T14:11:29 < ReadError> china 4L specs blow
2015-06-05T14:11:31 < Abhishek_> hmm, I found Elecrow's shipping reasonable, at least to India
2015-06-05T14:11:34 < ReadError> unless you like huge vias
2015-06-05T14:11:57 < Laurenceb__> heh yeah
2015-06-05T14:12:05 < Laurenceb__> my experience is chanafab is more reliable
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2015-06-05T14:12:33 < TheSeven> 12mil vias seems acceptable to me, especially if you're mostly after the freedom of 2 routing layers + gnd + power plane
2015-06-05T14:12:33 < Laurenceb__> its reliably low quality, european fab seems to often be high quality but poor reliability
2015-06-05T14:12:36 < ReadError> well turn around time is ~10 days for me so cant complain too much
2015-06-05T14:13:00 < Laurenceb__> some of my boards from pcbtrain had fingerprints on
2015-06-05T14:13:26  * Abhishek_ wishes if the PCBs could be shipped at the speed of light
2015-06-05T14:13:26 < karlp> TheSeven: werne't you saying that shenzen2u was ignoring your gerbers though? why would anyone want to use them?
2015-06-05T14:13:54 < TheSeven> karlp: well on 2 layers that wasn't a problem so far
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2015-06-05T14:14:28 < TheSeven> and as long as you don't have buried vias I guess it just won't matter
2015-06-05T14:15:21 < Abhishek_> my experience is that local PCB fabs hassle for specs (6mil/6mil and e-test is too much for them) and are more expensive than sending stuff off to china
2015-06-05T14:15:49 < TheSeven> yes, their only advantage is usually roundtrip timne
2015-06-05T14:15:50 < TheSeven> time*
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2015-06-05T14:16:40 < Abhishek_> I received PCBs in abt 10days with DHL (from Elecrow) the last time I ordered from them
2015-06-05T14:17:13 < Abhishek_> Local fabs quote at least a week turnaround with those specs, so just not worth it
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2015-06-05T14:21:58 < rkreis> meh, interrupts
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2015-06-05T14:30:55 < rkreis> cpsr           0x6100001d <-- does that mean that PRIMASK[0] is set and interrupts are disabled?
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2015-06-05T14:38:52 < jpa-> rkreis: why not check primask register to see if primask is set?
2015-06-05T14:39:07 < rkreis> it doesn't show up in info reg
2015-06-05T14:39:36 < jpa-> i'm not aware that you could see primask state from cpsr in any way
2015-06-05T14:39:49 < jpa-> you can see, though, that it is currently in vector 0x1d
2015-06-05T14:40:24 < rkreis> pc             0x20000284	0x20000284 <main()+320>
2015-06-05T14:40:30 < rkreis> that makes little sense :)
2015-06-05T14:40:49 < jpa-> it seems that you are running from ram; is it on purpose?
2015-06-05T14:41:02 < jpa-> your code is compiled to run from ram, also
2015-06-05T14:41:47 < rkreis> yes and yes
2015-06-05T14:42:03 < jpa-> so in what way does it make little sense?
2015-06-05T14:42:10 < jpa-> lacking debug symbols, maybe
2015-06-05T14:42:28 < rkreis> vector 0x1d isn't supposed to be in main() :)
2015-06-05T14:42:39 < TheSeven> IRQs not working when running from RAM? might indicate a wrong memory remap setting
2015-06-05T14:42:59 < jpa-> rkreis: pc is not necessarily in main() either, it is 320 bytes past main() start
2015-06-05T14:43:13 < jpa-> rkreis: does the .elf have debug symbols?
2015-06-05T14:43:17 < rkreis> i'm setting SCB_VTOR to 0x20000000
2015-06-05T14:43:32 < TheSeven> which CPU core?
2015-06-05T14:43:47 < TheSeven> if it's M0 that might be a problem
2015-06-05T14:44:05 < rkreis> it has debug symbols, it's an M0 core and main()+320 is still within the main function
2015-06-05T14:44:53 < TheSeven> SCB_VTOR doesn't exist on M0
2015-06-05T14:45:02 < rkreis> do i need to set the interrupt priority additionally to the NVIC_ISER
2015-06-05T14:45:13 < karlp> l0 is m0+ isn't it?
2015-06-05T14:45:18 < karlp> which gets scb_vtor back again...
2015-06-05T14:45:18 < TheSeven> so you have to configure memory remapping so that the 0x0 area points to SRAM
2015-06-05T14:45:26 < rkreis> oh, yes, M0+, sorry
2015-06-05T14:47:51 < TheSeven> I just do NVIC->ISER[0] = (1 << ((uint32_t)(IRQn) & 0x1F)); and it seems to work
2015-06-05T14:48:37 < TheSeven> had a quick look and didn't find any other setup code that would affect IRQs
2015-06-05T14:48:46 < rkreis> NVIC_ISER and NVIC_ISPR (pending register) both have the interesting bit set
2015-06-05T14:49:18 < TheSeven> oh and __asm__ volatile("cpsie if"); of course
2015-06-05T14:49:56 < rkreis> is that the same as "cpsie i"? anyway, i also have that (and i never disable interrupts either)
2015-06-05T14:51:01 < TheSeven> f is (non-hard) faults, don't think that matters here
2015-06-05T14:51:36 < TheSeven> speaking of which, I should have a closer look why my code disables those when it disables IRQs... that seems like a big
2015-06-05T14:51:37 < TheSeven> bug*
2015-06-05T14:51:38 < rkreis> i believe the core won't run my interrupt because it is "already running one"
2015-06-05T14:52:01 < TheSeven> oh, I've seen that before
2015-06-05T14:52:19 < TheSeven> that might suggest that your gdb init doesn't work as it should, and runs your whole program in hard fault handler mode ;)
2015-06-05T14:52:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> I thought the nested bit of NVIC meant it would handle that ok?
2015-06-05T14:52:55 < TheSeven> not if you're insode a handler of something that has a (fixed) much higher priority than your IRQ
2015-06-05T14:52:59 < TheSeven> inside*
2015-06-05T14:53:02 < trepidaciousMBR2> ah right
2015-06-05T14:53:40 < rkreis> also, the program in the flash causes a pending flag to be set but never serves the interrupt
2015-06-05T14:53:50 < rkreis> and i guess it's served sometime during updating the ram
2015-06-05T14:54:30 < TheSeven> I've seen it before that not properly (atomically) resetting and halting the core leads to it entering hard fault mode while GDB is starting your program, so your whole program will run in that handler mode
2015-06-05T14:55:13 < TheSeven> I think that used to happen with texane's st-util, but worked fine with openocd, or something like that. it's been a while ago.
2015-06-05T14:57:30 < rkreis> there we go, seems to work now :)
2015-06-05T14:58:38 < rkreis> thanks for your input
2015-06-05T15:01:49 < trepidaciousMBR2> TheSeven: Have you ever seen weird stuff with st-util flashing, where you end up with a corrupt flash if you let it reset and run stuff? If we make st-flash just stop without a reset, then power cycle, we get no problem, but if we let it reset it overwrites the byte at 0x8000000 with 0
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2015-06-05T15:14:30 < TheSeven> no, I haven't seen that, but then again that byte is typically zero anyway in my applications ;)
2015-06-05T15:14:44 < TheSeven> and I've switched to openocd quite a while ago
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2015-06-05T15:22:51 < trepidaciousMBR2> We should probably do the same
2015-06-05T15:35:27 < Laurenceb__> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1067991X10003482
2015-06-05T15:35:31 < Laurenceb__> dat graphics
2015-06-05T15:36:14 < dongs> You do not have access to the content that you requested. Please review your options for gaining access at the bottom of the page.
2015-06-05T15:38:46 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-06-05T15:39:15 < Laurenceb__> http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1067991X10003482-gr1.jpg
2015-06-05T15:39:48 < dongs> pro mspaint
2015-06-05T15:44:43 < superbia> sup social lubricants
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2015-06-05T16:11:45 < Laurenceb__> irc: the antisocial network
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2015-06-05T16:53:34 < _Sync_> dat academia Laurenceb__
2015-06-05T16:53:43 < _Sync_> and fuk dat shit
2015-06-05T16:53:50 < _Sync_> got a noise issue :/
2015-06-05T16:55:13 < dongs> what hte fuck is wrong wiht digikey
2015-06-05T16:55:19 < dongs> cant figure out how to get rid of fucking USD cart
2015-06-05T16:55:33  * TheSeven recently had a power consumption issue caused by flux residue + floating input pins
2015-06-05T16:55:40 < TheSeven> must have caused quite some wiggling internally
2015-06-05T16:56:10 < TheSeven> ~1mA instead of 0.1mA idle current of that board
2015-06-05T16:56:18 < TheSeven> wildly varying on top of that
2015-06-05T16:56:34 < TheSeven> switched the GPIOs to analog mode, problem gone. funny.
2015-06-05T16:58:07 < _Sync_> well I need to sample the ADCs in the deadtime
2015-06-05T16:58:18 < _Sync_> otherwise I'm measuring switching noise
2015-06-05T16:59:18 < dongs> ugh, $160 digikey order
2015-06-05T16:59:24 < dongs> for 3 things
2015-06-05T16:59:46 < TheSeven> $16 in china? :P
2015-06-05T17:04:18 < dongs> nah this fucking easybraid garbage
2015-06-05T17:04:27 < dongs> $74 soldering stand, fuck off
2015-06-05T17:05:40 < TheSeven> that reminds me that I need to order a new soldering iron + tip
2015-06-05T17:06:19 < TheSeven> wanted to replace the tip on mine, but guess what, it's stuck in the heating element!
2015-06-05T17:06:55 < dongs> nice
2015-06-05T17:07:19 < TheSeven> not quite sure wtf has happened there
2015-06-05T17:07:48 < TheSeven> the tip broke into pieces while attempting to pull it out, the innermost part of it is still stuck in the heating element
2015-06-05T17:08:28 < dongs> http://www.mediaite.com/online/pittsburgh-buses-to-remove-slogans-with-reverse-racist-messages/
2015-06-05T17:08:31 < dongs> loooooooool
2015-06-05T17:09:54 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-06-05T17:11:01 < dongs> 5% off on verical when you spend $400+
2015-06-05T17:14:19 < scrts_w> hm
2015-06-05T17:14:33 < scrts_w> where to buy at least 6" OLED/AMOLED display?
2015-06-05T17:14:46 < dongs> for hwat?
2015-06-05T17:14:54 < dongs> or rather, waht kind?
2015-06-05T17:15:02 < dongs> controller/etc
2015-06-05T17:15:19 < dongs> trashphone parts probably your best bet, but amoled sucks to drive, needs obscure voltages and shit
2015-06-05T17:15:29 < dongs> you need like 4 voltages including negative shit
2015-06-05T17:16:42 < scrts_w> that's not a big issue
2015-06-05T17:16:52 < scrts_w> I've mastered DC/DCs more or less fine
2015-06-05T17:16:56 < scrts_w> :))
2015-06-05T17:16:57 < TheSeven> what's driving the OLED vs. LCD decision here?
2015-06-05T17:17:04 < scrts_w> the thing is... where to buy them
2015-06-05T17:17:11 < scrts_w> TheSeven: thickness
2015-06-05T17:17:14 < dongs> im curently sampling 6" 1080p IPS stuff
2015-06-05T17:17:16 < scrts_w> and power consumption
2015-06-05T17:17:26 < dongs> cuz fuck oled
2015-06-05T17:17:47 < dongs> eh, thickness?
2015-06-05T17:17:52 < scrts_w> dongs: IPS is good, but I didn't see 1080p ones yet:)
2015-06-05T17:17:52 < dongs> my 6" stuff is 1.76mm
2015-06-05T17:17:57 < scrts_w> shit
2015-06-05T17:17:59 < scrts_w> srsly?
2015-06-05T17:18:01 < scrts_w> where?
2015-06-05T17:18:02 < dongs> yes..
2015-06-05T17:18:07 < dongs> chink factory
2015-06-05T17:18:15 < dongs> they're sending me some to test and then i'm ordering a bunch
2015-06-05T17:18:27 < dongs> they're using LG glass COG and adding thier own controller FPC shit on that
2015-06-05T17:18:30 < scrts_w> can I get a datasheet at least?
2015-06-05T17:18:56 < dongs> its TS8060A, lemme see if I can dump ds somewheer
2015-06-05T17:20:04 < dongs> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6obTnNhsMxJREdjMGdhOVZaOVU/view?usp=sharing
2015-06-05T17:20:57 < scrts_w> thanks
2015-06-05T17:21:03 < scrts_w> did they also supply a connector?
2015-06-05T17:21:04 < _Sync_> gotta love japanese datasheets
2015-06-05T17:21:10 < _Sync_> looking like 1985 again
2015-06-05T17:21:10 < scrts_w> or it's a common one like hirose FH series?
2015-06-05T17:21:17 < dongs> it is a hirose
2015-06-05T17:21:24 < dongs> its listed in datasheet
2015-06-05T17:21:30 < dongs> DF37C
2015-06-05T17:22:39 < scrts_w> yop, found it, thanks
2015-06-05T17:22:49 < scrts_w> MIPI interface... ghm
2015-06-05T17:22:54 < dongs> .. as opposed ot wat?
2015-06-05T17:22:57 < scrts_w> RPi stuff or something..
2015-06-05T17:22:59 < dongs> it isnt gonna be anything else
2015-06-05T17:23:06 < dongs> for those kinda sreen
2015-06-05T17:23:15 < scrts_w> I currently use OpenLDI
2015-06-05T17:23:21 < scrts_w> which is also 4 lanes LVDS
2015-06-05T17:23:31 < scrts_w> but no MIPI shit like CRC or something
2015-06-05T17:23:47 < scrts_w> and high-speed / low-power modes
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2015-06-05T17:25:04 < dongs> TI has a bunch of mipi>lvds stuff but nothing in reverse
2015-06-05T17:25:12 < dongs> just get a SoC that can output this.
2015-06-05T17:25:24 < dongs> can you do paralell RGB?
2015-06-05T17:25:29 < scrts_w> yup
2015-06-05T17:25:30 < dongs> instead of lvds
2015-06-05T17:25:35 < scrts_w> I have FPGA
2015-06-05T17:25:40 < scrts_w> Meticom have LVDS->MIPI stuff
2015-06-05T17:25:58 < dongs> then SSD2828QN4
2015-06-05T17:26:00 < dongs> also cheap in chian
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2015-06-05T17:26:04 < dongs> rgb>mipi 4 lane
2015-06-05T17:26:13 < dongs> used on one of *pi clones
2015-06-05T17:26:17 < dongs> so there's sores/datasheets around
2015-06-05T17:27:08 < dongs> hah
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2015-06-05T17:27:43 < scrts_w> cool, thanks
2015-06-05T17:27:53 < scrts_w> I also had one display from LG
2015-06-05T17:27:59 < scrts_w> but it has eDP 1.3
2015-06-05T17:28:09 < scrts_w> even more weirdo thing..
2015-06-05T17:28:10 < dongs> in 6"?
2015-06-05T17:28:30 < scrts_w> nah, it was like 13", but resolution is similar
2015-06-05T17:28:46 < dongs> that meticom shit sounds liek a buttload of work
2015-06-05T17:28:55 < dongs> you'd have to implement mipi shit
2015-06-05T17:28:57 < dongs> and without specs, good luck
2015-06-05T17:29:18 < dongs> and its probably way more than SSD2828 heh
2015-06-05T17:29:30 < dongs> i think i sampled them for a buck or two (ssd)
2015-06-05T17:31:15 < dongs> why tehfuck does altera have thier own types
2015-06-05T17:31:24 < dongs> alt_u16 dongs;l
2015-06-05T17:33:25 < scrts_w> I never use that shit
2015-06-05T17:33:40 < scrts_w> it's GCC there
2015-06-05T17:33:50 < scrts_w> use the same stuff you use anywhere else
2015-06-05T17:34:52 < dongs> ya but they're TRYING
2015-06-05T17:36:57 < scrts_w> hmm.. Tim
2015-06-05T17:37:03 < scrts_w> ok, will know:)
2015-06-05T17:37:44 < dongs> there's stuff to do rgb>edp for 1080p, too thats cheap. lvds, also.
2015-06-05T17:37:58 < dongs> its > 1080p where it gets lame
2015-06-05T17:38:09 < dongs> cuz parallel pixelclock is too high and every vendor decides thier own shit
2015-06-05T17:40:07 < dongs> during the KS funding period, they mentioned they'd use their own algorithm for post-processing HDR "effects" as a reply to my question(whatever that means lol) so I'm really just following up on it TBH.
2015-06-05T17:40:37 < dongs> zano loves bespoke algorithms
2015-06-05T17:42:11 < dongs> @reece_crowther: Hi Steve, fully focused on ZANO launch right now. No plans for a range extender prior to 2016. Cheers!
2015-06-05T17:46:14 < dongs>  I think its 2km without, but still bloody good! To be honest, Zano will probably not fly to 2km before you'll want to start bringing it back in before the battery runs out!
2015-06-05T17:46:17 < dongs> haha
2015-06-05T17:49:10 < scrts_w> hmm
2015-06-05T17:49:25 < scrts_w> I imagine that at 60FPS the pixel clock gets crazy
2015-06-05T17:49:51 < dongs> 1080p? its 150mhz or someshit
2015-06-05T17:49:53 < dongs> too lazy to lookup
2015-06-05T17:52:33 < dongs> i know that 4k2k@30p is 297mhz-ish
2015-06-05T17:52:44 < dongs> cuz thats where hdmi 1.4 shits out
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2015-06-05T17:53:52 < scrts_w> 1920x1080x60 =  124.4MHz
2015-06-05T17:54:26 < dongs> or that.
2015-06-05T17:54:29 < scrts_w> but then you need blanking periods
2015-06-05T17:54:34 < scrts_w> so yeah.. will be around 150
2015-06-05T17:54:53 < dongs> when I need to care about that shit i just load up vesa timing calculator or look at datsheets.
2015-06-05T17:57:28 < dongs> http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showpost.php?s=a285bb7cb4931c71456cc793022ccbc6&p=2366004&postcount=42
2015-06-05T17:57:31 < dongs> wow such dumb
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2015-06-05T18:00:52 < dongs> scrts_w: you altium pro right
2015-06-05T18:01:16 < dongs> or are you teh kikecad guy
2015-06-05T18:01:19 < scrts_w> I used it for a couple of years before... been 2 years I didn't see it tho
2015-06-05T18:01:33 < scrts_w> I had to use Cadence Allegro here at work
2015-06-05T18:01:41 < scrts_w> until they kicked me out of hw group
2015-06-05T18:02:25 < scrts_w> dongs: why?
2015-06-05T18:04:00 < dongs> nah, i already forgot wat i was gonna ask
2015-06-05T18:04:04 < dongs> it was something dumb for sure
2015-06-05T18:06:34 < scrts_w> heh
2015-06-05T18:06:37 < scrts_w> ok, home!
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2015-06-05T18:43:35 < jadew> lol @ the repair job that guy did
2015-06-05T18:43:59 < jadew> I guess ordering the proper part and waiting a few days for it was out of the question
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2015-06-05T18:48:18 < ReadError> 2km on a zano?
2015-06-05T18:49:05 < englishman> dongs, im thinking of getting into wind power generation, what do you think of this http://i.imgur.com/mymHDgc.png?1
2015-06-05T18:49:38 < dongs> heh
2015-06-05T18:50:05 < BrainDamage> damn, took me a while to get it, i was almost trying to make a serious answer
2015-06-05T18:50:29 < dongs> your  troll-fu is low
2015-06-05T19:02:28 < jpa-> 4 blades is bad from vibration standpoint
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2015-06-05T19:25:59 < englishman> high efficiency when powering stoves and ovens
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2015-06-05T20:35:09 < kakimir> why does my saleae logic clone whine in high pitch?
2015-06-05T20:35:25 < kakimir> like it has some buck-regulator but it doesn't
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2015-06-05T20:38:32 < kakimir> wow it's like very directional noise
2015-06-05T20:38:43 < kakimir> i turn it a bit and total silence
2015-06-05T20:39:17 < MrMobius> because its from china?
2015-06-05T20:39:38 < kakimir> I don't know
2015-06-05T20:40:05 < kakimir> I give seller 5/5 without testing I don't feel like learning a new thing todaty
2015-06-05T20:41:04 < jpa-> mine whines also
2015-06-05T20:42:02 < jpa-> it does have 1117 with ceramic caps, though
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2015-06-05T20:44:19 < kakimir> it comes from another end of main chip
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2015-06-05T21:49:34 < Steffanx> mine doesn't cry.
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2015-06-05T21:59:03 < kakimir> chinese sonic probing
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2015-06-05T22:08:57 < Steffanx> i have this arduino app and it doesn't compile. Help!
2015-06-05T22:09:30 < DanteA> make target/brain
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2015-06-05T22:12:56 < Steffanx> got this toy from a "electronics & automation" exhibition/conference. It has 4 AVRs and 1 nrf51822
2015-06-05T22:13:16 < Steffanx> all running tarduino, except for the nrf
2015-06-05T22:14:39 < MrMobius_> did they at least leave the arduino boards in their "product"?
2015-06-05T22:14:55 < Steffanx> no.
2015-06-05T22:15:54 < Steffanx> http://www.metatronics.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_20150512_111927-448x410.jpg that
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2015-06-05T23:55:35 < kakimir> poverty induced motoric tics
2015-06-05T23:56:14 < kakimir> I kind of like it when I'm in work mode and like watching some robot doing stuff like crazy
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2015-06-06T00:00:07 < kakimir> that robot does me money
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2015-06-06T01:20:49 < zyp> dongs, what's the status on sourcing f427?
2015-06-06T01:21:03 < zyp> any news on the rumored rev 5?
2015-06-06T01:21:15 < zyp> any news on the chips arriving friday?
2015-06-06T01:23:21 < englishman> shoulda used awesome and high available PIC32
2015-06-06T01:23:24 < englishman> :)
2015-06-06T01:27:33 < zyp> well, uh
2015-06-06T01:28:01 < zyp> this project was just ported from avr32 to stm32, I don't think I can convince people to port it to pic32 now :p
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2015-06-06T01:47:46 < emeb> PIC32 suuuuuucks
2015-06-06T01:47:55 < emeb> MIPS is laaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
2015-06-06T01:47:59 < emeb> :)
2015-06-06T01:50:32 < superbia> propeller
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2015-06-06T02:16:05 < Laurenceb> XMOS
2015-06-06T02:16:10 < Laurenceb> oh wait same thing
2015-06-06T02:23:35 < superbia> bloody hell http://i.imgur.com/wwgM2BL.png?1
2015-06-06T02:24:34 < zyp> what?
2015-06-06T02:25:16 < zyp> uh, is that vusb?
2015-06-06T02:25:35 < superbia> its a bloody hell thaths what it is
2015-06-06T02:25:43 < zyp> what part of it?
2015-06-06T02:25:48 < BrainDamage> checksum doesn't match
2015-06-06T02:26:00 < superbia> yes
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2015-06-06T02:26:10 < BrainDamage> also, >scrot
2015-06-06T02:26:17 < BrainDamage> found the arch user
2015-06-06T02:26:30 < zyp> what does even the checksum do there?
2015-06-06T02:26:35 < superbia> crc8
2015-06-06T02:26:56 < zyp> I mean, if this is usb, that shit is all done by the usb peripheral normally
2015-06-06T02:27:14 < zyp> so I don't get it
2015-06-06T02:27:48 < zyp> are you planning to bitbang usb?
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2015-06-06T02:28:37 < zyp> (and even in that case, why would the class layer care about packetizing and tokens?)
2015-06-06T02:29:15 < zyp> pls explain
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2015-06-06T03:06:43 < upgrdman> superbia, what program is that?
2015-06-06T03:08:17 < BrainDamage> the text editor is sublime
2015-06-06T03:18:52 < upgrdman> looks pretty
2015-06-06T03:20:33 < upgrdman> $70? wtf. for a text editor...
2015-06-06T03:21:42 < BrainDamage> the trial period has no expiration time
2015-06-06T03:22:20 < upgrdman> nagging screens then?
2015-06-06T03:22:46 < BrainDamage> yes, once per session the first time you save a file
2015-06-06T03:23:11 < BrainDamage> the real nice part is the package manager and the tons of plugins
2015-06-06T03:23:30 < BrainDamage> from linting, to compiler and debugger integration, to scm, etc
2015-06-06T03:23:41 < BrainDamage> you can turn it into a full featured ide if you want
2015-06-06T03:23:57 < upgrdman> i am intrigued.
2015-06-06T03:24:22 < upgrdman> plugins cost extra?
2015-06-06T03:24:34 < BrainDamage> no
2015-06-06T03:24:42 < BrainDamage> they are pretty much community driven
2015-06-06T03:25:10 < BrainDamage> https://packagecontrol.io/
2015-06-06T03:26:09 < englishman> ew sublime
2015-06-06T03:26:26 < englishman> i didnt like it very much :(
2015-06-06T03:26:29 < englishman> but it is powerful
2015-06-06T03:26:38 < englishman> also rumoured to be abandoned by devs?
2015-06-06T03:26:41 < upgrdman> what text editor do you like?
2015-06-06T03:26:44 < BrainDamage> use what you like, as long as it's not emacs
2015-06-06T03:26:45 < englishman> notepad++
2015-06-06T03:27:02 < englishman> theres a tarduino IDE extension
2015-06-06T03:27:08 < englishman> so theres no reason to use the processing one anymore
2015-06-06T03:27:14 < englishman> assume you need to use it at all
2015-06-06T03:28:30 < upgrdman> bbl
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2015-06-06T03:29:06 < BrainDamage> as for being abandoned, i had an update kinda recently, but it doesn't seem very active
2015-06-06T03:29:29 < BrainDamage> there's a saucy remake with compatible api in the doing, but it's still too early to be usable
2015-06-06T03:29:44 < BrainDamage> ( but being saucy, it might never end up being usable )
2015-06-06T03:30:14 < BrainDamage> saucy remake: http://limetext.org/
2015-06-06T03:30:16 < BrainDamage> also >go
2015-06-06T03:31:00 < englishman> go seems neat
2015-06-06T03:46:33 < karlp> TheSeven: what was the xy semi part you said for buck? not the xr1151, the other one?
2015-06-06T03:47:06 < TheSeven> I mentioned the xc6206 but that's an LDO
2015-06-06T03:47:23 < TheSeven> and it's not xysemi but torex, similar part numbering though ;)
2015-06-06T03:47:57 < TheSeven> I'd say that one is even more commonly used than the xr1151
2015-06-06T03:49:22 < TheSeven> for larger boost/buck designs I usually use the PAM2401 (boost) or PAM2310 (buck), those are from diodes inc. and have sync rectification
2015-06-06T03:49:40 < TheSeven> not quite as cheap, but better specs
2015-06-06T03:50:04 < TheSeven> and mouser has those in stock :)
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2015-06-06T04:15:29 < Peter_M> bloggin'
2015-06-06T04:18:03 < superbia> fixed
2015-06-06T04:18:34 < superbia> ^_& bedtiem just in time
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2015-06-06T04:33:56 < dongs> haha lunix screenshot
2015-06-06T04:34:02 < dongs> awful
2015-06-06T04:34:05 < dongs> awful lunix fonts
2015-06-06T04:36:51 < dongs> < englishman> dongs, im thinking of getting into wind power generation, what do you think of this http://i.imgur.com/mymHDgc.png
2015-06-06T04:36:56 < dongs> englishman: http://cnwindenergy0431.en.ec21.com/Variable_Pitch_Vertical_Axis_Wind--4895274_4896044.html  this is way better
2015-06-06T04:38:48 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/05/bitcoin_theft/
2015-06-06T04:38:49 < dongs> lol
2015-06-06T04:38:53 < dongs> zyp: checking again
2015-06-06T04:40:42 < GargantuaSauce> wait that's straight out of that bitcoin simulator game
2015-06-06T04:40:50 < GargantuaSauce> arrange a meeting online, get robbed
2015-06-06T04:40:59 < GargantuaSauce> life imitates art
2015-06-06T04:48:11 < GargantuaSauce> http://bitsim.beepboopbitcoin.com/
2015-06-06T04:49:12 < dongs> nice, crucial has received and is "processing" my RMA
2015-06-06T04:49:28 < dongs> gaymer trash ram will be on the way back soon
2015-06-06T05:11:32 < dongs> "crucial"
2015-06-06T05:11:35 < ReadError> lul
2015-06-06T05:11:51 < dongs> the only time I bought fagot gamer ram, cuz it was on sale on amazon
2015-06-06T05:12:03 < dongs> and it shitted itself in less than a year
2015-06-06T05:12:19 < dongs> i dont even overclock it or anything like that
2015-06-06T05:12:39 < ReadError> damn silkroad guy got life
2015-06-06T05:12:46 < dongs> shit bro
2015-06-06T05:12:47 < dongs> old as fuck
2015-06-06T05:12:50 < ReadError> crucial is normally solid
2015-06-06T05:14:36 < ReadError> was it new?
2015-06-06T05:14:40 < dongs> of course?
2015-06-06T05:14:42 < ReadError> or had it been okay for a while
2015-06-06T05:14:53 < dongs> yeah it was ok for ~1 year, then it started getting rndom crashes
2015-06-06T05:15:04 < dongs> had an idea to run memtest on windows boot
2015-06-06T05:15:08 < dongs> boom, errors almost immediately
2015-06-06T05:15:54 < ReadError> > still more reliable than a seagate HD
2015-06-06T05:16:03 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148540 it was this
2015-06-06T05:16:08 < dongs> (wel, same thing on amazon)
2015-06-06T05:16:26 < dongs> i ran it at 1333 also cuz im nto a gamer
2015-06-06T05:16:32 < dongs> so if anything, it was running UNDER spec
2015-06-06T05:19:39 < dongs> you will need maps API key
2015-06-06T05:19:44 < ReadError> ya
2015-06-06T05:19:54 < dongs> and when you sign up fo that, there's a bunch of legaleze explaining wat to do
2015-06-06T05:20:02 < dongs> terms & conditions etc
2015-06-06T05:20:36 < dongs> https://developers.google.com/maps/licensing
2015-06-06T05:21:12 < dongs> looks like you want "maps api for work"
2015-06-06T05:26:59 < upgrdman> dongs, i was on my way to lunch today when this reminded me of you:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/supermarket.jpg
2015-06-06T05:28:20 < upgrdman> mhmm
2015-06-06T05:28:48 < dongs> loldongs
2015-06-06T05:29:27 < ReadError> looks like the most bootleg flag ever too
2015-06-06T05:29:35 < ReadError> stars dont seem like the right size
2015-06-06T05:29:48 < ReadError> or colors are off
2015-06-06T05:30:32 < upgrdman> ya. this was like little asia town. a mix of vietnamese, chinese and even korean stuff in the shopping center
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2015-06-06T05:57:47 < dongs> zyp, new stuff is also rev 1
2015-06-06T05:58:05 < dongs> seems 5 was misunderstanding of newstock arriving on 6/5
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2015-06-06T06:07:25 < Peter_M> dongs you'd think being an innovator like yourself, you'd understand that it isn't crucial's fault their ballisdicks ram dies, it's hynix or micron or whoever makes the actual ram
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2015-06-06T06:20:36 < Peter_M> R2COM, pcb doesnt suddently go bad after a year
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2015-06-06T06:21:51 < Peter_M> possibility, but usually that shit is gradual not brickwall
2015-06-06T06:26:21 < Peter_M> true, but again i'd expect those failuremodes to be gradual - unless it was gradual and dongle didnt notice symptoms
2015-06-06T06:26:51 < Peter_M> R2COM, she'd be almost as dissapointd with vibrator as with you then
2015-06-06T06:28:44 < Peter_M> like trackpants and nikes
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2015-06-06T06:29:45 < Peter_M> mountain dew, doritors and fedora?
2015-06-06T06:37:19 < Peter_M> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuluUJK9tHY
2015-06-06T06:40:44 < Peter_M> comment following that one: "You're looking more and more like a junkie every video mate."
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2015-06-06T08:37:04 < dongs> does he have a history of contributing to open source software?
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2015-06-06T09:35:56 < dongs> cuz banning on criticism is like 100% sign of opensores developer
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2015-06-06T09:38:18 < DanteA> It's not so.
2015-06-06T09:38:38 < dongs> care to give some exmaples?
2015-06-06T09:39:04 < DanteA> I dont know such examples.
2015-06-06T09:39:11 < dongs> exactly.
2015-06-06T09:39:14 < dongs> because there are none
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2015-06-06T09:43:13 < DanteA> But I know examples of banning for criticism by proprietary software developers. For example, maintainer of ida.
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2015-06-06T09:51:12 < dongs> gj
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2015-06-06T09:59:41 < dongs> woofer about 4 hours ago
2015-06-06T09:59:42 < dongs> Any job vacancies @Torquing Group? I'm starting to love this company... ;). ;) ;). :P
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2015-06-06T10:08:14 < specing> hey dongs I have the best channel suggestion for you
2015-06-06T10:08:18 < specing> ##c++-social
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2015-06-06T10:11:31 < dongs> is it just a bunch of unfunny trolls
2015-06-06T10:11:58 < specing> yeah
2015-06-06T10:12:08 < specing> you would fit right in
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2015-06-06T10:13:15 < specing> R2COM: look into spring:1944
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2015-06-06T10:39:51 < zyp> dongs, hmm, shame
2015-06-06T10:40:34 < zyp> wonder if mouser would let me return the parts if they're not rev3 then
2015-06-06T10:43:43 < specing> R2COM: spring:1944 is a real-time ww2 rts, you can currently play 6 sides and spring can handle more than 10000 units on the map
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2015-06-06T10:55:28 < zyp> dongs, have you checked f429 too?
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2015-06-06T11:06:32 < dongs> 429 last i checked was no stock
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2015-06-06T11:12:00 < zyp> oh
2015-06-06T11:12:08 < dongs> but its smae problem right?
2015-06-06T11:12:11 < dongs> unless its rev3 youre fucked?
2015-06-06T11:12:14 < dongs> did mouser reply anything?
2015-06-06T11:12:31 < zyp> «Our products team advised that unfortunately we do not track device’s revision.»
2015-06-06T11:12:44 < dongs> you should reply with
2015-06-06T11:12:57 < dongs> Our purchasing team advised me not to spend our money wiht you
2015-06-06T11:13:05 < zyp> :p
2015-06-06T11:14:26 < specing> next thing, the mouser pr team was rushed to the burn unit
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2015-06-06T11:20:38 < zyp> I guess digikey would be equally useless, but I just mailed them anyway
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2015-06-06T11:58:27 < Austin___> With libopencm3 on stm32f4, where is the NACK/ACK bit available after an i2C data transmission?
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2015-06-06T11:59:04 < dongs> zyp,just reconfirmed
2015-06-06T11:59:05 < dongs> no 429
2015-06-06T11:59:55 < zyp> ok
2015-06-06T12:00:40 < zyp> idk, if both mouser and digikey turns out to be useless, I guess maybe buy one and check
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2015-06-06T12:08:45 < superbia1> http://rs1img.memecdn.com/satan-trapped_c_5393568.jpg
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2015-06-06T14:57:06 < Bezoka> I have hex file and I have to have bin
2015-06-06T14:57:09 < Bezoka> how do it
2015-06-06T14:57:20 < Bezoka> [arm-none-eabi] [linux]
2015-06-06T14:57:21 < dongs> objcopy
2015-06-06T14:58:22 < Bezoka> arm-none-eabi-objcopy led.hex led.bin  // will it work?
2015-06-06T14:58:37 < dongs> you could combine those 3 words into a google query and see
2015-06-06T14:58:51 < jpa-> you need some params IIRC
2015-06-06T14:58:59 < jpa-> -O binary or something
2015-06-06T14:59:49 < dongs> what neesd .bin?
2015-06-06T14:59:56 < dongs> do you know what address it'll be loaded at and shit?
2015-06-06T15:00:02 < Bezoka> stm32f401re - nucleo
2015-06-06T15:00:06 < dongs> is this for some obscure bootloader thing?
2015-06-06T15:00:10 < dongs> oh.. mbed version?
2015-06-06T15:00:16 < Bezoka> yes
2015-06-06T15:00:25 < Bezoka> but I try do it without mbed
2015-06-06T15:00:34 < Bezoka> with mbed all works :D
2015-06-06T15:00:49 < dongs> the .bin is your own code now?
2015-06-06T15:00:57 < dongs> or rather, the shit youre trying to make now
2015-06-06T15:01:27 < dongs> if you keep mbed bootloader, you will need to build  your app at wahtever address after mbed
2015-06-06T15:01:31 < dongs> like 8004000 or something
2015-06-06T15:01:36 < dongs> i dunno wehre it ends
2015-06-06T15:02:05 < Bezoka> yea, my code
2015-06-06T15:02:06 < dongs> or you can just use stlink debugger to wipe all
2015-06-06T15:05:34 < Bezoka> how to build after mbed? :D
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2015-06-06T15:08:40 < dongs> look at stdperiphlib examples
2015-06-06T15:08:52 < dongs> they have startp/code/linker shit for gcc.
2015-06-06T15:10:08 < Bezoka> okay
2015-06-06T15:12:21 < Bezoka> is it possible to install mbed on stm32f103 without nucleo? :D
2015-06-06T15:13:32 < dongs> F103? maybe you wanna try MATCHBOXARM
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2015-06-06T15:15:41 < Bezoka> no :D
2015-06-06T15:15:52 < Bezoka> I bought stm32f1 without board
2015-06-06T15:15:58 < dongs> and?
2015-06-06T15:16:14 < Bezoka> can I programmin it with mbed?
2015-06-06T15:16:28 < dongs> not without getting mbed bootlaoder on it (if one exist) with stlink first
2015-06-06T15:16:44 < dongs> https://developer.mbed.org/platforms/ST-Nucleo-F103RB/
2015-06-06T15:16:47 < dongs> looks like it ssuported
2015-06-06T15:16:49 < dongs> i didnt know.
2015-06-06T15:21:31 < Bezoka> okay, thanks
2015-06-06T15:21:52 < Bezoka> last question: what do you think about mbed - bad/good
2015-06-06T15:21:57 < dongs> useless
2015-06-06T15:22:07 < dongs> but I use pro tools in Windows 8.1 PRO
2015-06-06T15:22:10 < Bezoka> why?
2015-06-06T15:22:12 < dongs> so my opinion about lunix tools is biased
2015-06-06T15:24:14 < Bezoka> I have nucleo board and I wonder about delete mbed bootload
2015-06-06T15:24:21 < Bezoka> bootloader*
2015-06-06T15:25:25 < dongs> copy it first
2015-06-06T15:25:27 < dongs> then delete it.
2015-06-06T15:25:28 < dongs> and try.
2015-06-06T15:25:35 < dongs> or find where you can download it.
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2015-06-06T15:43:34 < dongs> https://github.com/adamgreen/mri/tree/master wat is this garbage
2015-06-06T15:43:44 < dongs> oh its only for lpc
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2015-06-06T16:06:31 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-06-06T16:06:38 < Laurenceb> debugger runs on the same core
2015-06-06T16:06:39 < Laurenceb> weird
2015-06-06T16:06:55 < dongs> yeah looks like some garbage for newbs
2015-06-06T16:07:28 < Laurenceb> cant see how it would be very useful
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2015-06-06T16:16:01 < dongs> zyp, great news http://www.keil.com/support/docs/3696.htm
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2015-06-06T17:19:30 < zyp> dongs, so now you're gonna switch to laks?
2015-06-06T17:19:44 < zyp> digikey replies «We have Rev Y - 1 pcs,  Rev 1 - 818 pcs»
2015-06-06T17:19:49 < zyp> so no go there either
2015-06-06T17:21:43 < jpa-> maybe pretend to be a big company and get them from st directly? :P
2015-06-06T17:22:11 < englishman> hi i'm a representative of Apple Norway and i would like to buy 500 stm32f4
2015-06-06T17:22:38 < englishman> do you take mastercard
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2015-06-06T18:52:32 < rkreis> how absolute is the absolute maximum IO source/sink current? will the pin break if i try driving 100nF, 1uF, ...? or will it just be slow?
2015-06-06T18:53:34 < Laurenceb> good question
2015-06-06T18:53:47 < Laurenceb> i think it depends on gpio speed
2015-06-06T18:54:16 < Laurenceb> but i dont think even 1uF is going to fry it
2015-06-06T18:54:27 < ReadError> i have a large clone delivery to send out monday
2015-06-06T18:54:28 < Laurenceb> as the total dissipated energy is low
2015-06-06T18:54:34 < ReadError> and im out of 0.1uF 0402s
2015-06-06T18:54:47 < ReadError> think 1uF would be okay for decoupling too?
2015-06-06T18:54:53 < Laurenceb>  5µJ or less
2015-06-06T18:54:57 < rkreis> so is it a thermal issue on the die? can i expect the bonding wires to never melt?
2015-06-06T18:55:07 < Laurenceb> its more the fets
2015-06-06T18:55:14 < Laurenceb> thats whats going to fry
2015-06-06T18:55:36 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: that's what's called traditional GDB (or any other debugger) remote approach (usually target code is based on a GDB stub).
2015-06-06T18:55:37 < Laurenceb> but 5µJ is unlikely to fry a fet, especially as the gpio controllers are going to be faily large
2015-06-06T18:56:11 < rkreis> there's no official ratings regarding that, is there?
2015-06-06T18:56:38 < rkreis> like LEDs have pulse current handling, for example
2015-06-06T18:56:47 < Laurenceb> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/STM32F100C4T6B-HD.jpg
2015-06-06T18:57:00 < Laurenceb> now if someone can work out there the GPIO drivers are...
2015-06-06T18:57:04 < Laurenceb> *where
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2015-06-06T18:57:27 < rkreis> the striped things inbetween the pads?
2015-06-06T18:58:11 < Laurenceb> maybe
2015-06-06T18:58:23 < Laurenceb> id expect ESD diodes to be much larger
2015-06-06T18:58:42 < rkreis> larger than the driver, you mean?
2015-06-06T18:58:52 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-06-06T18:59:27 < Laurenceb> ok, so say 200C delta T to fry the driver, and volumetric heat capacity is 5J/ml/C
2015-06-06T19:00:21 < rkreis> now we're just missing a volume :)
2015-06-06T19:00:28 < Laurenceb> so 17µm cubed can be heated to distruction
2015-06-06T19:00:36 < Laurenceb> ie 17x17x17µm
2015-06-06T19:00:45 < rkreis> ah, you assumed 1uF/5uJ for that?
2015-06-06T19:00:49 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-06-06T19:01:05 < Laurenceb> somewhere i have some FEA matlab code
2015-06-06T19:01:28 < Laurenceb> the junction is likely to be planar
2015-06-06T19:01:52 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_diffusivity
2015-06-06T19:02:37 < Laurenceb> at 2Mhz slow GPIO speed its going to spread out 10µm or so
2015-06-06T19:03:07 < Laurenceb> so yeah I'd say 1µF, 3.3v at slowest gpio speed is larest you can be safe with
2015-06-06T19:03:13 < Laurenceb> *largest
2015-06-06T19:03:14 < rkreis> background: i'm wondering if i should try supplying a board with very little current consumption but many caps directly from a GPIO pin
2015-06-06T19:03:30 < Laurenceb> dont see why not
2015-06-06T19:03:38 < Laurenceb> bear in mind GPIO tends to be noisy
2015-06-06T19:03:55 < rkreis> the board is littered with 100nF, 1uF and i believe 10uF caps
2015-06-06T19:03:56 < Laurenceb> there is crosstalk from other stuff on the processor
2015-06-06T19:04:01 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-06-06T19:04:10 < englishman> and you will get some voltage drop from pushpull if that matters
2015-06-06T19:04:18 < englishman> thats a lot of capacitance id think
2015-06-06T19:04:25 < Laurenceb> yeah I wouldnt go that far
2015-06-06T19:04:26 < rkreis> if i fried the driver, it'd be stuck shorted, wouldn't it?
2015-06-06T19:04:36 < Laurenceb> unlikely
2015-06-06T19:04:37 < englishman> why not use gpio to switch a nfet or something
2015-06-06T19:04:43 < Laurenceb> itd probably just be dead
2015-06-06T19:04:47 < rkreis> ok
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2015-06-06T19:04:53 < Laurenceb> I'd go with nfet to drive that many caps
2015-06-06T19:05:11 < Laurenceb> it might well fry the gpio at turn on or after a few turn ons with tens of µF
2015-06-06T19:05:25 < rkreis> there's room for a PNP on the board (still have suitable ones), just have to squeeze them in
2015-06-06T19:06:03 < Laurenceb> on my projects i tend to use vregs with EN pin to solve this problem
2015-06-06T19:06:20 < Laurenceb> but if you use the wrong vregs they can have nasty high current leakage
2015-06-06T19:06:36 < rkreis> that's what i noticed
2015-06-06T19:07:06 < rkreis> it's all super ultra low power, that's why i even bother switching off a board that should draw <1mA static
2015-06-06T19:07:27 < Laurenceb> i use ltc1844
2015-06-06T19:07:45 < englishman> you could use series current limit resistor
2015-06-06T19:07:47 < Laurenceb> but still, ~30µA
2015-06-06T19:07:54 < englishman> but might as well use tiny fet
2015-06-06T19:08:44 < rkreis> alright, thanks all for the info :)
2015-06-06T19:09:44 < rkreis> Laurenceb, may i PM?
2015-06-06T19:09:50 < Laurenceb> sure
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2015-06-06T19:12:07 < ReadError> /msg Laurenceb a/s/l ?
2015-06-06T19:12:12 < ReadError> oops
2015-06-06T19:12:17 < rkreis> ReadError, go away, i was first
2015-06-06T19:12:51 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56271357.jpg
2015-06-06T19:14:01 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/EC6pLeL.gifv
2015-06-06T19:14:41 < Laurenceb> fuuuu
2015-06-06T19:14:44 < Laurenceb> alien charger
2015-06-06T19:16:04 < rkreis> that's what nightmares are made of
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2015-06-07T00:45:10 < Laurenceb> attn emeb  https://github.com/espressif/esp8266_mp3_decoder
2015-06-07T00:45:15 < Laurenceb> didnt know it had i2s
2015-06-07T00:46:24 < emeb> Laurenceb: ISTR reading somewhere that it does.
2015-06-07T00:46:38 < emeb> Interesting that it's got enough horsepower to run MP3 decode
2015-06-07T00:48:01 < emeb> cute that they use a SPI RAM for buffering the incoming data from the WiFi connection.
2015-06-07T00:50:09 < zyp> wat
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2015-06-07T01:06:22 < Tectu> anybody using QtCreator for STM32 development?
2015-06-07T01:07:22 < superbia1> hey
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2015-06-07T01:07:34 < superbia1> hey
2015-06-07T01:07:57 < superbia1> stm32f4 wrote that
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2015-06-07T01:09:10 < qyx_> emeb: the spi sram alone costs probably more than the whole esp thing
2015-06-07T01:13:45 < emeb> qyx_: spi ram is $2.50 in small qty. An ESP module with enough I/O broken out to build that system is about $6.50 (olimex)
2015-06-07T01:15:07 < qyx_> mhm, there were some for $3 on ebay
2015-06-07T01:15:15 < qyx_> maybe not suitable
2015-06-07T01:23:18 < Lux> they are <3$ on aliexpress
2015-06-07T01:23:20 < Lux> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-5pcs-lot-ESP8266-serial-WIFI-model-ESP-12-ESP12-Authenticity-Guaranteed/32251346557.html
2015-06-07T01:23:36 < Lux> for example
2015-06-07T01:25:37 < englishman> FCC approved model :)
2015-06-07T01:25:42 < englishman> for R2COM to use in falcon 10 :)
2015-06-07T01:26:46 < Steffanx> you dont know him well enough
2015-06-07T01:26:50 < Lux> chinese fcc =)
2015-06-07T01:26:57 < Steffanx> he does custom asic for everything
2015-06-07T01:27:00 < englishman> actually Lux  i think its real fcc
2015-06-07T01:27:35 < Lux> englishman: i'm pretty sure they just put good looking labels on those
2015-06-07T01:28:17 < englishman> http://hackaday.com/2014/12/17/esp-gets-fcc-and-ce/
2015-06-07T01:28:21 < englishman> :)
2015-06-07T01:29:04 < englishman> i read something like that around that time
2015-06-07T01:29:09 < englishman> espressif press release
2015-06-07T01:30:18 < Lux> yeah, but that just claims those modules could pass fcc right?
2015-06-07T01:30:35 < englishman> yea but iirc its without actually doing emc testing etc
2015-06-07T01:30:50 < englishman> it has fcc id, as long as you conform to other fcc standards its ok
2015-06-07T01:30:58 < Lux> ah ok
2015-06-07T01:31:11 < englishman> of course tahts something i read on the interwebs
2015-06-07T01:32:07 < englishman> ordered :)
2015-06-07T01:32:16 < englishman> thx for link didnt know they were that cheap
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2015-06-07T01:46:32 < dongs> zyp: rev3 might not even exist physically outside ST
2015-06-07T01:46:45 < dongs> zyp: i dont know, does armcc's c++11 support all your shit?
2015-06-07T01:51:10 < Lux> englishman: i ordered some months ago, but now they are collecting dust.. maybe i'll make some wifi sensors with that bme280 chip
2015-06-07T01:51:45 < englishman> Lux: i think il use them for home automation shits
2015-06-07T01:51:53 < englishman> places i can run power but dont wanna run rj45 :)
2015-06-07T01:52:06 < englishman> like shit, the garage light is on again
2015-06-07T01:52:10 < englishman> but its -40C
2015-06-07T01:52:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7U8xTIN.jpg
2015-06-07T01:52:36 < englishman> better HTTP POST to my garage lamp
2015-06-07T01:52:40 < dongs> bme280?
2015-06-07T01:52:55 < Lux> bmp280 + humidity
2015-06-07T01:53:00 < dongs> oo
2015-06-07T01:53:21 < Lux> there is even one with voc detection
2015-06-07T01:53:35 < Lux> but that's not available yet
2015-06-07T01:53:49 < englishman> cool
2015-06-07T01:54:12 < Lux> http://www.bosch-sensortec.com/en/homepage/products_3/environmental_sensors_1/bme680/bme680_2
2015-06-07T01:55:15 < dongs> https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=BME this is the only bme i know
2015-06-07T01:56:09 < dongs> also fuck google for redirecting to .jp
2015-06-07T01:56:20 < dongs> i thought i fuckign fixed this
2015-06-07T01:56:22 < Lux> http://www.bmejapan.com/ ? :P
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2015-06-07T02:11:48 < dongs> zyp: only problem is they odnt have some of the new STL shit,, <array>, <atomic> etc.
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2015-06-07T02:39:27 < Laurenceb> any linux gurus here?
2015-06-07T02:39:51 < Laurenceb> I have a fileserver, and "fileserver user" can log in to get access to the files
2015-06-07T02:40:21 < Laurenceb> but I want to run as another user on the server, and also access the files
2015-06-07T02:40:26 < Laurenceb> is there some way to do this?
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2015-06-07T02:44:21 < englishman> groups?
2015-06-07T02:45:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f5A4DnGtis musicspam
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2015-06-07T03:24:57 < dongs> trash
2015-06-07T03:29:11 < kakimir> try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbnUseigbs
2015-06-07T03:29:49 < kakimir> take heroin and turn it into whole era of musics
2015-06-07T03:32:50 < dongs> trash
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2015-06-07T04:05:30 < dongs> hah, had JUST enough pogopins for 2 flash adapters
2015-06-07T04:05:34 < dongs> that stuff goes fas
2015-06-07T04:05:35 < dongs> t
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2015-06-07T08:29:18 < upgrdman> LOL   http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/06/05/alameda-teacher-suspended-after-alleged-sex-toy-selfie-assignment/
2015-06-07T08:57:15 < dongs> this is way more lol http://i.imgur.com/2YAHoHD.gifv
2015-06-07T09:05:13 < upgrdman> nice
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2015-06-07T09:53:04 < jpa-> so sprite_tm now works at espressif :o
2015-06-07T09:58:06 < dongs> who dat be
2015-06-07T09:58:43 < jpa-> hackaday celebrity
2015-06-07T09:58:54 < dongs> An Interview With Jeroen .Sprite_tm. Domburg, Creator Of The Tiny MAME Arcade Cabinet
2015-06-07T10:01:46 < PeterM> "Creator Of The Tiny MAME Arcade Cabinet" - is that something you want people to actually know about?
2015-06-07T10:02:12 < jpa-> why not?
2015-06-07T10:05:39 < PeterM> it seems like telling people you eat lead paint chips for breakfast
2015-06-07T10:08:53 < jpa-> you have interesting views on hobbies and also interesting breakfast habits
2015-06-07T10:09:50 < dongs> ok thats odd
2015-06-07T10:09:57 < dongs> i submitted pcb with bottom pads covered by mask
2015-06-07T10:10:06 < dongs> for my dip usb connector
2015-06-07T10:10:13 < dongs> they made it with open pads anyway :|
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2015-06-07T11:48:32 < dongs> what the fuck. 3.3V dc/dc i've used literally thousands of is outputting 4.5V on this board.
2015-06-07T11:48:36 < dongs> layout: copypasted
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2015-06-07T11:49:28 < specing> maybe the shitdows copy tool crashed while pasting?
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2015-06-07T12:00:54 < GargantuaSauce> maybe you moved the group and left something behind? 8)
2015-06-07T12:01:09 < dongs> nah its same
2015-06-07T12:01:51 < ReadError> they send you some fucked up part?
2015-06-07T12:04:53 < misspapaya> maybe a resistor's added backward :P
2015-06-07T12:06:46 < dongs> tested all that.
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2015-06-07T12:17:22 < dongs> wow bizzare as shit
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2015-06-07T12:17:28 < dongs> this must be some analol'g faggotry
2015-06-07T12:18:06 < dongs> i had a FB right at 3.3V output from inductor, followed by cap
2015-06-07T12:18:27 < dongs> lesson: learned
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2015-06-07T12:35:45 < dongs> oh well, pcb noise is heaps better
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2015-06-07T13:25:17 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-IXx4tkTF0
2015-06-07T13:25:23 < ReadError> for dongs
2015-06-07T13:30:13 < Tectu> what am I watching...
2015-06-07T13:30:28 < dongs> something unfnny uabout dongs
2015-06-07T13:30:42 < Tectu> I actually regret that german is my native language right now
2015-06-07T13:30:47 < Tectu> I bet dekar would enjoy that video too
2015-06-07T13:31:39 < Tectu> wait wut, he did that intentionally?!
2015-06-07T13:31:56 < ReadError> yea, stupid right
2015-06-07T13:34:44 < Tectu> "Hier sind wir in der wunderbaren Welt der Penispumpen"  -.-'
2015-06-07T13:35:16 < dongs> penispumpen
2015-06-07T13:35:49 < Tectu> they sell fucking 1'500 penis pumps a MONTH!
2015-06-07T13:35:52 < Tectu> just one fucking small company
2015-06-07T13:35:52 < Tectu> wtf
2015-06-07T13:36:03 < dongs> tectu, you're in the wrong business , clearly
2015-06-07T13:36:26 < dongs> penis pumps > ugfx
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2015-06-07T13:36:56 < Tectu> lol
2015-06-07T13:36:58 < Tectu> touché
2015-06-07T13:39:50 < Tectu> he did inject silicone for 5 years in his fucking dick
2015-06-07T13:39:55 < Tectu> and it's fucking permanent
2015-06-07T13:39:57 < Tectu> what.
2015-06-07T13:40:01 < Tectu> talking about ~35cm
2015-06-07T13:40:19 < Tectu> and it weights over 5 kg  -.-
2015-06-07T13:40:22 < dongs> haha
2015-06-07T13:41:57 < Tectu> "It's difficult to have sex with, your partner needs a lot of preparation"
2015-06-07T13:42:10 < Tectu> I should probably stfu before Steffanx gets up
2015-06-07T13:42:23 < Tectu> ReadError, don't post unappropriate content, please.
2015-06-07T13:43:08 < specing> don't worry, we are all mature 13 year-olds here
2015-06-07T13:43:31 < Tectu> I really can't see the motivation behind that -.-
2015-06-07T13:45:13 < dongs> he likes the cock
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2015-06-07T15:05:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Viy928RLsdU
2015-06-07T15:05:30 < trepidaciousMBR2> Wow, kicad really is as bad as I remember
2015-06-07T15:05:42 < trepidaciousMBR2> How can people work on it for so long, and produce something so completely unsuable?
2015-06-07T15:06:02 < Laurenceb> haha
2015-06-07T15:06:08 < Laurenceb> yeah eagle is ore usable
2015-06-07T15:06:31 < trepidaciousMBR2> at least I could actually make a PCB with eagle, kicad can't even load or display it's own footprint files
2015-06-07T15:07:08 < specing> no love for gEDA...
2015-06-07T15:09:14 < trepidaciousMBR2> Ok I managed to get stuff into a pcb - I love how all the components start on top of each other, so I have to click them, then clarify my selection between every component on the baord
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2015-06-07T15:10:50 < specing> try gEDA...
2015-06-07T15:11:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> Does it kind of work?
2015-06-07T15:12:07 < specing> never used anything else...
2015-06-07T15:12:31 < specing> actually I did install kicad then closed it
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2015-06-07T15:16:48 < trepidaciousMBR2> MAybe I'll use inkscape ;)
2015-06-07T15:19:15 < specing> if you are profficient in that, why not :)
2015-06-07T15:23:14 < dongs> geda is way worse
2015-06-07T15:23:30 < dongs> footprint editor in deta = vi/emacs
2015-06-07T15:23:33 < dongs> geda
2015-06-07T15:23:46 < specing> actually there is a gui footprint editor for geda
2015-06-07T15:24:10 < dongs> that reqiures manuasl editing
2015-06-07T15:24:11 < specing> but yes, you can modify footprints with a plain editor
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2015-06-07T15:48:50  * Laurenceb is raging at octave
2015-06-07T15:49:01 < Laurenceb> error: horizontal dimensions mismatch (1168x1 vs 422x1)
2015-06-07T15:49:06 < Laurenceb> RAGEEE
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2015-06-07T16:13:14 < dongs> Amazing project guys! I'am very curious though how does handling data from the camera works. Is camera module connected directly to PIC32MZ? Receiving 1080p30 video is just a huge amount of data for a microcontroller. Datasheet of OV5640 states that for that resolution pixel clock would be at least 96MHz. How a 200MHz processor can record that signal?
2015-06-07T16:13:19 < dongs>  Especially that I don't see any dedicated camera interface or image processing unit in PIC32MZ. Is there any external processor for that? At least some additional SRAM? It's fascinating because all the folks on the internet seems to achieve at most VGA video recording at some low frame rate with PIC32/ARM M class microcontroller.
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2015-06-07T16:14:05 < dongs> ding ding, we got a winner!
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2015-06-07T16:25:06 < Laurenceb> meanwhile GoPro are working on a drone
2015-06-07T16:26:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9IANzQPqeY
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2015-06-07T16:44:59 < dongs> hm
2015-06-07T16:45:04 < dongs> softstart on this richtek is too high
2015-06-07T16:45:05 < dongs> 14ms
2015-06-07T16:45:09 < dongs> i need it below 5ms
2015-06-07T16:45:22 < dongs> no fucking docs w/calculation other than "0.1uF = 14ms"
2015-06-07T16:45:26 < dongs> well no shit, thats not waht i want
2015-06-07T16:45:35 < dongs> do i just randomly try values and see which way it goes?
2015-06-07T16:47:05 < dongs> will try lower cap first.
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2015-06-07T16:48:22 < karlp> [6~
2015-06-07T16:49:06 < karlp> [5~[5~
2015-06-07T16:53:28 < dongs> that worked
2015-06-07T16:53:41 < dongs> i have finalyl come across somethign that needed proper power sequencing
2015-06-07T16:53:41 < dongs> huhu
2015-06-07T16:53:54 < dongs> it said VDD rise had to be <=10ms
2015-06-07T16:53:56 < dongs> and  they meant it
2015-06-07T16:54:02 < dongs> 14ms = spectacular fail startup
2015-06-07T16:54:40 < ReadError> im wondering how they are getting 2km of usable range
2015-06-07T16:54:49 < dongs> ReadError: they're not
2015-06-07T16:54:51 < dongs> look at that room
2015-06-07T16:55:05 < dongs> then look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDaoU30UsOw
2015-06-07T16:55:10 < ReadError> <dongs> @reece_crowther: Hi Steve, fully focused on ZANO launch right now. No plans for a range extender prior to 2016. Cheers!
2015-06-07T16:55:10 < ReadError> <dongs>  I think its 2km without, but still bloody good! To be honest, Zano will probably not fly to 2km before you'll want to start bringing it back in before the battery runs out!
2015-06-07T16:55:18 < dongs> oh
2015-06-07T16:55:20 < dongs> forget that
2015-06-07T16:55:23 < dongs> click my last 2 youtubes
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2015-06-07T16:56:42 < ReadError> 2nd one is old
2015-06-07T16:57:04 < ReadError> hmm
2015-06-07T16:57:04 < superbia1> lame
2015-06-07T16:57:05 < ReadError> same room
2015-06-07T16:58:20 < ReadError> conspiracy?
2015-06-07T17:03:33 < dongs> yo udecide
2015-06-07T17:03:44 < dongs> it also does nothing, just lke zano
2015-06-07T17:03:49 < dongs> but has lots and lots of press releases
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2015-06-07T17:23:31 < dongs> trying a new tactic on zanoforums
2015-06-07T17:23:46 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=583&p=6638#p6638
2015-06-07T17:23:46 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=582
2015-06-07T17:24:26 < ReadError> lol
2015-06-07T17:25:47 < GargantuaSauce_> are you all 3 people? lol
2015-06-07T17:25:55 < englishman> hand-optimized assembly
2015-06-07T17:25:57 < dongs> no, i'm plywood
2015-06-07T17:26:09 < englishman> haha different tactic indeed
2015-06-07T17:26:12 < dongs> englishman: idk he actually said t hat
2015-06-07T17:26:25 < englishman> what happened to twattering
2015-06-07T17:26:33 < dongs> they're not posting anything
2015-06-07T17:26:40 < englishman> 200MHz would in fact be 800MHz.
2015-06-07T17:27:11 < dongs> <reedman> The
2015-06-07T17:27:11 < dongs> <reedman> difference in performance from C to hand crafted optimised assembly is at least 400% increase in
2015-06-07T17:27:14 < dongs> performance.
2015-06-07T17:27:30 < englishman> truly amazing
2015-06-07T17:27:51 < dongs> hear that zyp? time to give up on c++11 and switch to asm
2015-06-07T17:28:45 < GargantuaSauce_> and god help you if you're using trig functions from a ~library~
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2015-06-07T17:33:50 < dongs> GargantuaSauce_: those are not optimized
2015-06-07T17:34:01 < dongs> you dont know anything
2015-06-07T17:39:25 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_laser wtf is this a troll
2015-06-07T17:40:27 < englishman> no its pretty slick
2015-06-07T17:41:57 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYXPqrXZ1eU
2015-06-07T17:42:46 < dongs> cool rendering
2015-06-07T17:42:50 < superbia1> in 4x4 jar
2015-06-07T17:44:17 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwyMuwNYKvI
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2015-06-07T18:34:14 < Laurenceb> In 2007, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation requested Intellectual Ventures LLC to find a way to fight and eventually end malaria
2015-06-07T18:34:15 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-07T18:34:26 < Laurenceb> "hey you, yeah you, kill malaria now"
2015-06-07T18:34:45 < Laurenceb> At a brainstorming session in 2007, to think of solutions for malaria
2015-06-07T18:34:47 < Laurenceb> lorf
2015-06-07T18:35:32 < Laurenceb> this gets more trollish the more you read
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2015-06-07T18:54:34 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/DOOGEE-VALENCIA-2-Y100-Pro-5-inch-4G-LTE-MTK6735-Quad-core-Smartphone-p-979299.html?bid=11760
2015-06-07T18:54:35 < ReadError> lul
2015-06-07T18:54:44 < dongs> doge?
2015-06-07T18:54:50 < ReadError> almost
2015-06-07T18:55:02 < ReadError> chinese are bad at spelling, im sure thats what they meant
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2015-06-07T20:52:19 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXxhvKmVb0
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2015-06-07T23:26:05 < upgrdman> just out of curiosity, has anyone made an 8051 that is stupid fast? like 800MHz or something retarded like that.
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2015-06-07T23:51:12 < specing> on FPGA yes...
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2015-06-08T02:01:36 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10228629
2015-06-08T02:01:39 < Laurenceb> is this bad?
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2015-06-08T02:17:42 < kakimir> any innovation lately?
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2015-06-08T03:21:59 < englishman> too hard, i just copy opensores projects and get china to make them for me
2015-06-08T03:23:25 < kakimir> innovating hard?
2015-06-08T03:24:34 < dongs> IMO, this project was way overpromised from the start and the odds that a functional ZANO can be delivered in June are slim; likely not much better for July either. The big drop in meaningful updates and general communication from anyone at Torquing Group suggests to me that reality has set in.
2015-06-08T03:24:39 < dongs> lol
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2015-06-08T03:32:52 < kakimir> silence
2015-06-08T03:33:15 < kakimir> speaks it's own language
2015-06-08T03:33:38 < kakimir> let's sleep dongs>
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2015-06-08T04:03:01 < dongs> sup zano users
2015-06-08T04:03:17 < GargantuaSauce_> just hovering sideways, you know, the usual
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2015-06-08T04:06:27 < dongs> not overpromising anything?
2015-06-08T04:08:47 < GargantuaSauce_> i promise nothing
2015-06-08T04:15:58 < upgrdman> how i imagine dongs when he reads the zano updates    http://i.imgur.com/3RnOpSv.gifv
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2015-06-08T04:27:45 < GargantuaSauce_> that is strangely arousing
2015-06-08T04:44:33 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=863_1433677967
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2015-06-08T04:54:19 < upgrdman> "i'm going ti run TOWARD the car coming right at me."
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2015-06-08T06:09:22 < dongs> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/virtualization/thinpc.aspx installing this in vmware now
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2015-06-08T06:56:46 < DanteA> port
2015-06-08T06:57:46 < englishman> R2COM: i have some memoriez for u
2015-06-08T06:57:47 < englishman> http://ralphmirebs.livejournal.com/219949.html
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2015-06-08T07:00:39 < englishman> only cuz nobody wanted to fly on that deathtrap
2015-06-08T07:00:41 < GargantuaSauce_> how about fully automatic mars rovers 8)
2015-06-08T07:01:24 < englishman> killed in 2002 :( http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0cdecce9e311.jpg
2015-06-08T07:03:23 < dongs> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2015/06/05/tokyo-cops-arrest-3-nigerians-in-smuggling-of-stimulant-drugs/
2015-06-08T07:03:27 < dongs> lol
2015-06-08T07:07:49 < dongs> ive seen some niggers in tokyo
2015-06-08T07:07:51 < dongs> somehow they get in
2015-06-08T07:08:45 < dongs> lolz chrome was using lke 8 gigs
2015-06-08T07:08:58 < dongs> i only noticed cuz i have half the ramz until gamertrash is delivered
2015-06-08T07:10:04 < englishman> win8 with google chrome bluescreened every so often with 8gb and no page
2015-06-08T07:10:16 < dongs> sounds like GAMER RAM
2015-06-08T07:10:18 < englishman> switched to firefox til i got 16gb
2015-06-08T07:10:40 < englishman> no it was chrome
2015-06-08T07:10:46 < englishman> using all the ramz
2015-06-08T07:10:48 < dongs> now that I got hardware problems out of the way, windows never crashes
2015-06-08T07:11:07 < englishman> you only reboot to install updates and zadig
2015-06-08T07:15:31 < dongs> lol zadig.
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2015-06-08T10:46:51 < dongs> http://documentation.circuitmaker.com/display/CMAK/PCB_Dlg-String%28%28String%29%29_CM
2015-06-08T10:46:55 < dongs> looks like altidong
2015-06-08T10:46:57 < dongs> lol
2015-06-08T10:47:00 < dongs> ohh
2015-06-08T10:47:02 < dongs> i should install that
2015-06-08T10:47:05 < dongs> now that I got a throwaway win7 vm
2015-06-08T10:51:44 < dongs> lulz
2015-06-08T10:51:46 < dongs> select your avatar
2015-06-08T10:51:51 < dongs> picking typical make:R face
2015-06-08T10:52:44 < dongs> 500megs download
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2015-06-08T10:57:51 < dongs> motherfuckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
2015-06-08T10:57:58 < dongs> easybraid stand is fucking damages
2015-06-08T10:58:02 < dongs> cracked plastic
2015-06-08T10:58:09 < dongs> and the iron part is fucking wobbling all over
2015-06-08T10:58:11 < dongs> what the FUCK DIGIKEY
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2015-06-08T11:07:31 < dongs> gonna rageshat them soon
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2015-06-08T11:09:11 < scrts_w> lol
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2015-06-08T11:23:49 < dongs> nice
2015-06-08T11:23:53 < dongs> they're shipping me a replacement
2015-06-08T11:24:01 < PeterM> so much bloggin today. no motivation for innovation. taken like 2 hours to layout parts
2015-06-08T11:24:08 < dongs> haha
2015-06-08T11:24:32 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-08T11:24:34 < dongs> i havent done shit either
2015-06-08T11:24:36 < dongs> just fapped all day
2015-06-08T11:25:33 < PeterM> its like sit down, arrange 3 components, go off and make a cup of coffee, come back, do another 3 parts, put on some music, check irc, arrange another 3 parts
2015-06-08T11:25:43 < dongs> well
2015-06-08T11:25:49 < dongs> check irc and halp me with this
2015-06-08T11:26:10 < PeterM> good to know you got replacement on its way
2015-06-08T11:27:01 < PeterM> knowing how much DK fuck up and how rarely they require shit to be sent back i often consider fraud
2015-06-08T11:27:32 < dongs> haha
2015-06-08T11:27:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LyRFulL.png so this
2015-06-08T11:27:55 < dongs> j/i/anything else in english with a dot
2015-06-08T11:27:59 < dongs> using vector font
2015-06-08T11:28:00 < dongs> on any layer
2015-06-08T11:28:02 < dongs> gerbers = no dots.
2015-06-08T11:28:12 < dongs> IT CANT BE JUST ME
2015-06-08T11:30:00 < dongs> also: stand doesnt make iron sleep
2015-06-08T11:30:11 < dongs> but at least it isnt garbage im using now,  so its ok
2015-06-08T11:30:17 < dongs> at l;east the iron fits
2015-06-08T11:30:37 < PeterM> i just looked at all my boards and realized 90% text is MAD CAPS BRAH
2015-06-08T11:30:52 < dongs> lolz
2015-06-08T11:30:58 < PeterM> i dont think i hhave any lowercase i or j
2015-06-08T11:31:07 < PeterM> its always Input or Jack
2015-06-08T11:31:12 < PeterM> Jumper
2015-06-08T11:31:16 < dongs> haha
2015-06-08T11:31:23 < dongs> no Dicks?
2015-06-08T11:31:34 < PeterM> the iron will "cool" it wont  turn off, it will go 150cf instead of 300 or whatever
2015-06-08T11:31:46 < PeterM> nah no dicks
2015-06-08T11:31:47 < dongs> ok ill check with flir
2015-06-08T11:31:58 < dongs> it didnt seem to change temp much bbut i only tested for liek 5 sec
2015-06-08T11:32:02 < dongs> bbefore i raged the fuck out
2015-06-08T11:32:06 < dongs> about broken plug
2015-06-08T11:32:22 < PeterM> also, you find the sleep screw on the side of the station?
2015-06-08T11:32:51 < PeterM> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/677635/house.png should include as pcb art
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2015-06-08T12:19:52 < yots> any thoughts on a hashtable (using a very simple hash) vs looping with int32 keys for ~500 entries on stm32?
2015-06-08T12:23:14 < Getty> depends on how you need to manage it
2015-06-08T12:24:07 < Getty> and what specific is your thought topic ;) i just directly saw a good case for CDB again ;)
2015-06-08T12:24:25 < yots> it's pretty much static once everything is inserted
2015-06-08T12:24:57 < Getty> i mean its trivial to make such a thing, no matter what way, doing yourself or using one of those bases for this....
2015-06-08T12:27:50 < Getty> i use msgpack in cdb for my firmware and stuff, and i am so happy with it, just by being so accessable
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2015-06-08T12:51:59 < ehsanv> hi guys. please help me :( i figured out my stm32f103's RTC does not support Date!
2015-06-08T12:52:18 < ehsanv> what can i do now? i need date too!!
2015-06-08T12:53:10 < DanteA> Connect external rtc
2015-06-08T12:53:13 < DanteA> Easy
2015-06-08T12:53:47 < ehsanv> DanteA: board is designed, it's almost end of project!! and now...
2015-06-08T12:56:04 < jpa-> ehsanv: does not support date how?
2015-06-08T12:56:24 < Getty> i think he wants some variable out of it with the date, i think he doesnt fully understand how the RTC works ;)
2015-06-08T12:56:57 < jpa-> ehsanv: it has 32 bit counter you can use to keep e.g. unix timestamp
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2015-06-08T12:57:08 < Getty> oh man, this is so much like a scene from demolition man
2015-06-08T12:57:10 < jpa-> then you can use simple math to get the date & time out from it
2015-06-08T12:58:14 < ehsanv> jpa-: http://pastebin.com/zXxdavjZ
2015-06-08T12:58:48 < jpa-> so STM32 HAL for STM32F103 does not support date
2015-06-08T12:58:49 < ehsanv> jpa-: i stick with HAL drivers, and its limits
2015-06-08T12:58:58 < jpa-> that's your decision then :)
2015-06-08T12:59:00 < ehsanv> jpa-: so only HAL problem?
2015-06-08T12:59:07 < jpa-> yes
2015-06-08T12:59:17 < ehsanv> jpa-: so there is a light of hope then :D
2015-06-08T13:00:00 < jpa-> i am currently working on a project that uses STM32F103 RTC to store unix timestamp
2015-06-08T13:00:18 < jpa-> then it simply uses newlib's gmtime_r() to get from the timestamp to day/month/year
2015-06-08T13:01:24 < ehsanv> jpa-: thank you
2015-06-08T13:01:27 < jpa-> np
2015-06-08T13:12:15 < dongs> PeterM: no sleep screw
2015-06-08T13:13:48 < dongs> circuitmaker new projects f eed is pathetic
2015-06-08T13:13:57 < dongs> its like 95% imported tarduinos from eagle
2015-06-08T13:14:00 < dongs> and 5% shit nobody cares about
2015-06-08T13:15:22 < jpa-> quite silly that the coders of HAL have not understood how to store the date
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2015-06-08T13:15:25 < dongs> created a new project called dongle
2015-06-08T13:15:38 < jpa-> though, considering how they also do not understand UART baudrate register i guess i shouldn't be surprised
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2015-06-08T13:16:07 < dongs> oh wat the fuck
2015-06-08T13:16:13 < dongs> tehy got rid of some of keyboard hotkeys
2015-06-08T13:17:00 < dongs> Gary Niger created 'dongle' project More info: http://workspace.circuitmaker.com/projects/19609ECE-038A-4EE0-B2A7-60FA2F221B21 This message was sent by Altium Circuit Maker
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2015-06-08T13:18:11 < dongs> ugh wat
2015-06-08T13:18:15 < dongs> mousewheel is NOT CONFIGURABLE????????????
2015-06-08T13:18:39 < dongs> k found
2015-06-08T13:18:46 < dongs> they stuck it under gerneral prefs
2015-06-08T13:18:50 < dongs> instead of separate for sch/pcb
2015-06-08T13:18:55 < dongs> 'probly makes more sense that way anyway
2015-06-08T13:18:58 < dongs> who'd want that shit separate
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2015-06-08T13:22:55 < dongs> fuck
2015-06-08T13:23:01 < dongs> all altium shortcuts aregone
2015-06-08T13:23:03 < dongs> in circuitcock
2015-06-08T13:23:06 < dongs> this thing is usseless
2015-06-08T13:25:12 < specing> use gEDA
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2015-06-08T13:33:02 < dongs> argh
2015-06-08T13:33:04 < dongs> there's like
2015-06-08T13:33:09 < dongs> 10 d ifferent 0.1uF caps
2015-06-08T13:33:18 < dongs> why, altium, why
2015-06-08T13:34:53 < specing> use gEDA
2015-06-08T13:39:11 < dongs> i wonder if its worth the effort posting stuff on their forums
2015-06-08T13:39:15 < dongs> its not like i'll actually use it
2015-06-08T13:39:25 < dongs> but this is pretty fundamentalyl broken.
2015-06-08T13:40:53 < dongs> k ill post a general rant
2015-06-08T13:40:56 < dongs> and see how that goes.
2015-06-08T13:47:06 < dongs> what the fuck is ciiva
2015-06-08T13:47:10 < dongs> i thought this was circuitmaker shit
2015-06-08T13:47:14 < dongs> apparently its some .UK trash
2015-06-08T13:51:56 < specing> use gEDA
2015-06-08T13:52:06 < dongs> specing: shut the fuck up, geda is fucking garbage
2015-06-08T13:52:12 < specing> use gEDA
2015-06-08T13:52:26 < dongs> protel98 is 1000x better than geda and that shit is ancient shit
2015-06-08T13:52:32 < specing> use gEDA
2015-06-08T13:52:37 < dongs> youre dumb/unfunny
2015-06-08T13:52:44 < specing> still use gEDA
2015-06-08T13:54:29 < specing> I usually do not disprove of people swearing and/or being offtopic, but I am getting sick of your endless monologues and ranting about offtopic stuff
2015-06-08T13:54:45 < dongs> I'm making a stm32 dongle in circuitmaker
2015-06-08T13:54:49 < dongs> I think that's pretty fucking on-topic
2015-06-08T13:55:07 < dongs> advocating shitty opensores EDA package that doesnt even work is even MORE offtopic
2015-06-08T13:56:16 < specing> circuitmaker is offtopic on this network as this network is dedicated to hosting free software communities
2015-06-08T13:56:22 < jpa-> luls
2015-06-08T13:56:26 < jpa-> such rant
2015-06-08T13:56:33 < specing> and gEDA is very much ontopic here
2015-06-08T13:56:42 < dongs> geda is so ontopic they had to make their own irc server
2015-06-08T13:56:49 < dongs> because djdelorie has his head so much up his ass
2015-06-08T13:56:57 < dongs> his thinking is not evne compatible with the rest of opensores freaks
2015-06-08T13:58:23 < BrainDamage> i don't really  want to add fuel to the fire, but unofficial channels ( ## ) aren't related to freenode goals and only have to subject to the general guidelines
2015-06-08T13:59:03 < dongs> pretty sure those guidelines include "no trolling", which is exactly what specing seems to be engaging in
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2015-06-08T14:23:11 < Laurenceb__> shit why have i never seen this before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5xVnTo8gs
2015-06-08T14:23:15 < Laurenceb__> most peado band ever
2015-06-08T14:28:07 < Laurenceb__> ehsanv: https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/Util/fat_fs/src/rtc.c
2015-06-08T14:33:29 < karlp> so, anniversary of raid on lindisfarne led you to that band then Laurenceb__?
2015-06-08T14:38:28 < karlp> great mo's in that band though
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2015-06-08T14:57:36 < dongs> attn Laurenceb__ https://i.imgur.com/fNNs8tl.jpg
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2015-06-08T15:15:14 < Laurenceb__> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7517805&cid=49864977
2015-06-08T15:15:17 < Laurenceb__> trolol
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2015-06-08T15:24:46 < ehsanv> Laurenceb__: tnx, i figured it out with just two set and get functions, using mktime & localtime ...
2015-06-08T15:25:58 < Laurenceb__> Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x4e6b7ac (@l); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck.
2015-06-08T15:26:01 < Laurenceb__> lol linux
2015-06-08T15:28:00 < Laurenceb__> hmf
2015-06-08T15:28:13 < Laurenceb__> my window manager is behaving unpredictably :-/
2015-06-08T15:30:39 < Laurenceb__> wow so annoying
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2015-06-08T16:56:46 < dongs> any glue pros here
2015-06-08T16:56:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iddYo13.jpg what can I use on this
2015-06-08T16:56:57 < dongs> superglue will wokr?
2015-06-08T16:57:00 < dongs> or i need something else
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2015-06-08T17:00:47 < scrts_w> it depends what does it hold?
2015-06-08T17:01:01 < scrts_w> if it has to be strong, then probably epox?
2015-06-08T17:01:04 < dongs> thats the digikey iron stand i was bitching about
2015-06-08T17:01:16 < scrts_w> it's iron?
2015-06-08T17:01:17 < scrts_w> :)))
2015-06-08T17:01:23 < dongs> no its some kinda plastic
2015-06-08T17:02:12 < trepidaciousMBR2> Might be ABS
2015-06-08T17:03:24 < dongs> overall, for $80, i think thats a fucking rip
2015-06-08T17:03:27 < dongs> i bet i could 3dprint teh same shit
2015-06-08T17:03:31 < dongs> for less in material cost
2015-06-08T17:03:39 < dongs> im glad they alredy shipped a replacement
2015-06-08T17:11:06 < dongs> ok sleeper stand works
2015-06-08T17:11:07 < dongs> good
2015-06-08T17:14:26 < ReadError> use epoxy
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2015-06-08T17:42:27 < dongs> so my altium pro pal confirmed the dots over i/j are missing in his gerber output too
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2015-06-08T17:46:39 < englishman> haha
2015-06-08T17:46:45 < englishman> i found a bug in libraries too
2015-06-08T17:46:52 < englishman> 96% sure it didnt exist in 15.0
2015-06-08T17:51:03 < dongs> oh>
2015-06-08T17:51:11 < dongs> what is it
2015-06-08T17:52:39 < dongs> oh, 1.12 is out
2015-06-08T17:52:49 < dongs> Undo of component layer flip no longer modifies the component's Flipped On Layer property.
2015-06-08T17:52:52 < dongs> heh
2015-06-08T17:52:55 < dongs> i think i hit that
2015-06-08T17:56:58 < englishman> if im putting text on bottom overlay layer i have to flip it right
2015-06-08T17:57:06 < dongs> yes
2015-06-08T17:57:11 < dongs> you can vb in 2d mode
2015-06-08T17:57:13 < dongs> if you wanna view it as-is
2015-06-08T17:57:29 < dongs> after selecting 'bottom overlay' and shift-s it or somethign
2015-06-08T17:57:33 < englishman> ah nice
2015-06-08T17:57:41 < englishman> i was used to chekin in 3d view
2015-06-08T17:58:39 < dongs> vb does same in 3d view too
2015-06-08T17:59:08 < gxti> yeah missing dots are amusing
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2015-06-08T17:59:31 < dongs> gxti: why??? more importantly: why ht e fuck hasnt anyone noticed?
2015-06-08T17:59:54 < gxti> too busy using pro microsoft truetype fonts like candara or something
2015-06-08T18:00:01 < dongs> woot
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2015-06-08T18:00:13 < dongs> thats a tarsh font
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2015-06-08T18:03:36 < dongs> Please contact us if you have any special needs; we have done near miracles for valid cases. #near miracles link: http://ts-dep-dem.web.cern.ch/ts-dep-dem/news/news2005.htm#3weeks
2015-06-08T18:03:51 < dongs> 3 weeks turnaround ? must be too busy fucking with kikecad
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2015-06-08T18:04:20 < dongs> if you're willing to fly to my office, I can get you a prototype pcb in a week from idea to a few protos professionally assembled.
2015-06-08T18:05:41 < dongs> "i2C bus problem" I wonder what they do
2015-06-08T18:05:43 < dongs> forgot pullups???
2015-06-08T18:05:49 < englishman> used stdlib
2015-06-08T18:05:49 < gxti> for scientists that is a miracle
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2015-06-08T18:14:14 < dongs> cannot find 3.2x2.5 crystal on circuitmaker shitty library
2015-06-08T18:14:18 < dongs> ciiva.com has it
2015-06-08T18:14:30 < dongs> all circuitdonger has is shitty 5x3.2 stuff
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2015-06-08T18:34:04 < dongs> We will make changes to the shortcuts.  Based on the way the ribbon menu works it wouldn't make sense to have the same shortcuts as Altium Designer - things like VF for view fit in Altium Designer doesn't fit/match CircuitMaker menu structure.  We are currently evaluating the most commonly used functions and do intend to assign keys that make sense to these functions.  Some examples (these are just examples and not definite)
2015-06-08T18:34:11 < dongs> lool
2015-06-08T18:34:14 < dongs> i guess circuitmaker is dead 2 me
2015-06-08T18:34:19 < dongs> if they're not gonna keep altidong shortcuts
2015-06-08T18:37:09 < dongs> PT (Place inTeractive Routing (aka Place Track) DOESN'T WORK.  You have to hit the Route icon on the ribbon.  EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
2015-06-08T18:37:13 < dongs> That's a deal breaker for me, right there.
2015-06-08T18:37:15 < dongs> lolol
2015-06-08T18:37:42 < dongs> CANT DEFINE BOARD SHAPE FROM SELECTED OBJECTS.  NOOOOO < wat, even circuitmaker had this.
2015-06-08T18:38:55 < scrts_w> just draw a keep out around and define board size from that
2015-06-08T18:38:56 < scrts_w> :)
2015-06-08T18:39:05 < dongs> yeah, i do that
2015-06-08T18:39:10 < dongs> im pasting shit from eevblag
2015-06-08T18:39:36 < dongs> first thing I did in circuitmaker was draw 50x50mm wiht keepout layer and then define board shape from it
2015-06-08T18:39:57 < dongs> thats as far as i went in pcb mode anyway, there was no useful shortcuts/etc and I still havent figured out how to sync sch into pcb
2015-06-08T18:43:45 < dongs> AD let's you edit the shortcuts that are there. For example '*' on my laptop needs me to push Fn first.
2015-06-08T18:43:48 < dongs> uhhhh
2015-06-08T18:43:53 < dongs> now I gotta find that.
2015-06-08T18:44:01 < dongs> last i looked there was no way to change shortcuts.
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2015-06-08T18:48:47 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Passions#Critical_reception
2015-06-08T18:48:54 < Laurenceb> but some of those films are epic
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2015-06-08T18:53:51 < englishman> maybe they made board shape smarter in general
2015-06-08T18:53:55 < englishman> instead of using keepout layer
2015-06-08T18:54:04 < dongs> eh?
2015-06-08T18:54:08 < dongs> you dont *have* to use keepout layer.
2015-06-08T18:54:12 < englishman> which kinda precludes the use of the keepout layer for, like, keeping stuff out
2015-06-08T18:54:15 < englishman> whatever
2015-06-08T18:54:15 < dongs> you can shape it from whatever
2015-06-08T18:54:30 < englishman> i thought board shape in altidongs was pretty retarded
2015-06-08T18:54:38 < englishman> it should just be its own layer
2015-06-08T18:54:46 < englishman> or multiple layers
2015-06-08T18:54:50 < dongs> it could be if you want
2015-06-08T18:54:53 < dongs> just use any mechanical one
2015-06-08T18:54:54 < dongs> BUT
2015-06-08T18:54:55 < englishman> so you can have your 8L cutouts different shapes
2015-06-08T18:54:58 < dongs> then you have too rename gerber f iles
2015-06-08T18:55:17 < englishman> ya but then it looks funky editing
2015-06-08T18:55:17 < dongs> im lazy so I jsut have outline in gko
2015-06-08T18:55:20 < englishman> and i want best of both worlds
2015-06-08T18:55:42 < dongs> thre's nothing else to use keepout layer for anyway
2015-06-08T18:55:50 < dongs> you can just use keepout polygons for all other shit
2015-06-08T18:56:11 < dongs> like clearing out copper pour in certain places etc.
2015-06-08T18:56:18 < dongs> cuz if you use gko for it, it affects all layers
2015-06-08T18:56:30 < dongs> whether you want it to or not
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2015-06-08T19:20:37 < gxti> yeah keepout layer is useless for anything else
2015-06-08T19:20:49 < gxti> and if you draw your board outline there it pushes back polygon fills for you
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2015-06-08T21:23:16 < superbia> For the next 3 weeks we’ll be looking for the best entries using Atmel, Freescale, Microchip, and Texas Instruments parts.
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2015-06-08T22:56:50 < rkreis_> superbia, sounds like special olympics</snobmode>
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2015-06-08T23:25:33 < jadew> dongs
2015-06-08T23:25:40 < jadew> did you get your kickstarter up?
2015-06-08T23:26:03 < PeterM> [23:56] <dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iddYo13.jpg what can I use on this
2015-06-08T23:26:46 < PeterM> if its ABS, you can use MEK to "melt" or "dissolve" the ABS  and then when it dries it will be mostly  as strong as it was before
2015-06-08T23:27:23 < jadew> that looks like steel
2015-06-08T23:27:41 < jadew> or is it just painted?
2015-06-08T23:28:44 < PeterM> it looks a shitload like plastic to me
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2015-06-08T23:29:39 < jadew> if it's plastic... superglue
2015-06-08T23:30:21 < PeterM> supeglue is brittle as shit
2015-06-08T23:30:38 < PeterM> it will just snap again
2015-06-08T23:31:16  * jadew just learned a new word, brittle
2015-06-08T23:31:54 < superbia> dickstarter ?
2015-06-08T23:32:04 < superbia> jadew: for?
2015-06-08T23:32:37 < jadew> superbia, he has a charger project
2015-06-08T23:32:48 < jadew> figured I wouldn't mind getting one
2015-06-08T23:33:02 < jadew> *IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT
2015-06-08T23:34:52 < superbia> charge what?
2015-06-08T23:35:00 < jadew> USB stuff
2015-06-08T23:35:26 < superbia> http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pump__oPt.jpg
2015-06-08T23:35:42 < superbia> any specs of it jadew ?
2015-06-08T23:35:57 < jadew> superbia, you'll have to ask dongs
2015-06-08T23:36:14 < jadew> it's a PCB with charging ports and each port has a charge controller
2015-06-08T23:37:26 < superbia> inovative.
2015-06-08T23:38:43 < jadew> I'm sure it will come in handy
2015-06-08T23:38:47 < englishman> erm hate to be that guy
2015-06-08T23:38:50 < englishman> its not a charge controller
2015-06-08T23:38:59 < jadew> I don't know what it's called
2015-06-08T23:39:02 < englishman> just a chip that pulls d+/d- to std levels to enable 10w charging
2015-06-08T23:39:05 < jadew> it's a thing that negotiates the current
2015-06-08T23:39:07 < englishman> you still have to give it 5V from a psu
2015-06-08T23:39:08 < englishman> ya
2015-06-08T23:39:20 < englishman> like a 40c chip from TI
2015-06-08T23:39:29 < jadew> yeah, what is it called anyway?
2015-06-08T23:39:34 < jadew> does it have a name of its own?
2015-06-08T23:39:54 < englishman> TPS2513
2015-06-08T23:40:01 < superbia> who the fuck has 10W usb device ?
2015-06-08T23:40:18 < jadew> superbia, fast charging phones & crap
2015-06-08T23:40:31 < superbia> aha. the tardroids
2015-06-08T23:41:39 < jadew> englishman: "USB Dedicated Charging Port Controller" - I was pretty close :P
2015-06-08T23:42:05 < jadew> got the controller part right
2015-06-08T23:42:09 < englishman> :)
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2015-06-08T23:53:22 < PeterM> 40c? they're more like 65c
2015-06-08T23:53:33 < PeterM> but yeah, simple as shit
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2015-06-09T00:34:10 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2
2015-06-09T00:35:09 < qyx_> 8 june, 17:00 utc?
2015-06-09T00:35:13 < qyx_> isn't that old?
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2015-06-09T01:01:03 < jadew> oh, that was today
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2015-06-09T02:57:55 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-06-09T03:00:32 < Simon--> tin whiskers
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2015-06-09T03:07:17 < englishman> dongs
2015-06-09T03:07:24 < englishman> found a toy for your kids
2015-06-09T03:07:24 < englishman> http://www.banggood.com/DIY-Solar-Carrousel-Toy-Educational-Assembly-Model-for-Children-p-980874.html
2015-06-09T03:07:32 < dongs> haha
2015-06-09T03:07:58 < dongs> super classy
2015-06-09T03:08:16 < karlp> urh, usb interface authorization
2015-06-09T03:08:23 < karlp> won't this be wonderful
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2015-06-09T03:23:13 < dongs> lets catch up on latest zano news
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2015-06-09T03:42:08 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pozyx/pozyx-accurate-indoor-positioning-for-arduino lol
2015-06-09T03:42:18 < dongs> nucleo+mpu9250 breakout for 50 eur
2015-06-09T03:42:19 < dongs> so pro
2015-06-09T03:44:30 < dongs> i wonder if any of the dicks backing know they need at least 4 beacons wiht known positions
2015-06-09T03:44:33 < dongs> to get anywhere accurate
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2015-06-09T03:57:04 < ds2> 4?
2015-06-09T03:57:29 < ds2> is Z needed for indoors
2015-06-09T03:58:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/532391021/virtulator-high-definition-music-production-tool?ref=category
2015-06-09T03:58:14 < dongs> why does this need a fan
2015-06-09T03:59:07 < dongs> oh
2015-06-09T03:59:11 < dongs> its a fucking computer
2015-06-09T03:59:35 < dongs> oh gawd its lunix
2015-06-09T03:59:59 < dongs> CPU: Intel® J1900 CPU (Quad-core, 64-bit, 1.99GHz, Turbo to 2.4GHz)
2015-06-09T04:03:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/opensourcemicrolight/osm-the-arduino-based-open-source-led-gloving-micr?ref=category
2015-06-09T04:03:35 < dongs> waaat
2015-06-09T04:06:22 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/halalapp/is-this-halal-healtyscan-it-and-you-know-itoknokdo
2015-06-09T04:08:28 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/im-gg/imgg-shortest-anonymous-and-most-secure-image-host?ref=category found my imgur replacement
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2015-06-09T04:27:33 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1052400055/mega2560-expansion-ram-arduino-compatible-xmem
2015-06-09T04:27:38 < dongs> solution looking for a problem
2015-06-09T04:37:26 < GargantuaSauce_> i dont understand why anyone uses the atmega2560
2015-06-09T04:37:46 < dongs> yeah no idea
2015-06-09T04:37:49 < dongs> its pricing is ridiculous too
2015-06-09T04:37:51 < GargantuaSauce_> i mean the bottom-end atmega8 or even 16's sure
2015-06-09T04:37:56 < dongs> you can only buy TQFP and its like $5 or someshit
2015-06-09T04:38:05 < dongs> BGA is not avilable anywhere
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2015-06-09T05:05:07 < upgrdman> :)  http://imgur.com/m9VFane
2015-06-09T05:05:33 < dongs> i dont get it
2015-06-09T05:07:52 < GargantuaSauce_> i am very disappointed in you dongs
2015-06-09T05:09:28 < Devilholk> Explanation?
2015-06-09T05:11:58 < upgrdman> stereotype of black men not often hanging around to be a father?
2015-06-09T05:14:46 < Devilholk> Most be a geographical thing, here it is mostly white men that does that
2015-06-09T05:15:02 < Devilholk> Probably because they are more common in the local population
2015-06-09T05:15:44 < dongs> failed attempt at unfunny racism
2015-06-09T05:17:58 < Devilholk> I thought the father thing in the text was about his father died
2015-06-09T05:18:30 < dongs> its probably only funny if you're a reddit fgt
2015-06-09T05:19:37 < englishman> Devilholk: are you really from Niue
2015-06-09T05:20:00 < Devilholk> From where?
2015-06-09T05:20:07 < englishman> .nu
2015-06-09T05:20:23 < dongs> isnt .nu some bullshit vanity domain
2015-06-09T05:20:34 < englishman> population: 1800
2015-06-09T05:21:22 < dongs> recommend some image hosting shite that doesnt require lunixsql and isnt a retarded image gallery etc
2015-06-09T05:21:24 < Devilholk> "nu" means "now" in swedish
2015-06-09T05:21:35 < Devilholk> luder means hooker
2015-06-09T05:21:59 < englishman> ah
2015-06-09T05:22:03 < Devilholk> It sounds funny in swedish
2015-06-09T05:22:19 < Devilholk> The image at the site is just bullshit we made up while stoned
2015-06-09T05:22:20 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqiQD0Ykk4&feature=youtu.be
2015-06-09T05:22:24 < englishman> tak
2015-06-09T05:23:02 < dongs> haha
2015-06-09T05:23:07 < dongs> @ lunix user data extension registry
2015-06-09T05:24:40 < Devilholk> We had to figure something out that luder could be ^^
2015-06-09T05:35:41 < dongs> ugh
2015-06-09T05:35:50 < dongs> i lost some extension i was using on last chrome install
2015-06-09T05:35:56 < dongs> that added a 'remove element' to right lcick menu
2015-06-09T05:36:02 < dongs> now i cant find it agian
2015-06-09T05:46:30 < johntramp> do you guys recommend using the st-link/v2 programmers, or is there a better alternative?
2015-06-09T05:46:40 < dongs> stlink is ok if you like freetard
2015-06-09T05:46:44 < dongs> i personally prefer jlink
2015-06-09T05:47:05 < dongs> either legit -edu one if you got cash or any china clones on ebay
2015-06-09T05:47:28 < johntramp> what is freetard
2015-06-09T05:47:45 < dongs> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Freetard
2015-06-09T05:48:18 < dongs> also you cant beat the price of stlink included on -discovery boards.
2015-06-09T05:49:00 < johntramp> so jlink doesnt work with openocd for eg
2015-06-09T05:49:10 < dongs> i dont know, I would consider that a plus
2015-06-09T05:49:22 < dongs> jlink doesnt need openocd beacuse it has its own gdb server that actually works
2015-06-09T05:49:33 < johntramp> ah ok cool
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2015-06-09T06:50:17 < upgrdman> Normal Person: Gasoline is getting expensive.
2015-06-09T06:50:17 < upgrdman> Freetard: WELL MAYBE IF COMPANIES LIKE MICROSOFT DIDN'T EXPLOIT THE MONOPOLIES THEY HOLD IN THE COMPUTING MARKET WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING SO MUCH, HMMM????
2015-06-09T06:50:18 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-09T06:50:27 < dongs> rite
2015-06-09T06:52:30 < upgrdman> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jackintosh
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2015-06-09T07:31:53 < emeb_mac> lock yer wimmin
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2015-06-09T08:13:35 < PaulFertser> johntramp: jlink works with openocd all right, where did you get the opposite info?
2015-06-09T08:13:50 < dongs> PaulFertser: installing libusb isn't considered "working" in my book
2015-06-09T08:14:01 < dongs> besides, why would one want to use openocd when jlink already provides a perfectly working gdbserver
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2015-06-09T08:17:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: you do not need to install any drivers on any system except windows. OpenOCD might allow to: support some flash memory that's not supported by jlink; script complex actions for automated testing rig etc; program CPLDs and FPGAs on board. And if there's a problem with a flash driver (you have a really an unusual target or a usual but one that requires special treatment) one can easily fix
2015-06-09T08:17:09 < PaulFertser> it without waiting for anybody. So I guess there're some real advantages in some usecases.
2015-06-09T08:18:07 < PaulFertser> dongs: and strictly speaking, on windows, it's "installing WinUSB", i.e. microsoft's own kernel driver.
2015-06-09T08:18:28 < PaulFertser> ST's proprietary utility does the same btw.
2015-06-09T08:19:20 < PaulFertser> R2COM: it's a kernel driver that allows windows userspace to issue arbitrary USB commands to the device and get replies. For the cases when writing a kernel driver for a specific device is an overkill.
2015-06-09T08:20:03 < ds2> jlink is just not worth the effort
2015-06-09T08:20:27 < PaulFertser> What is?
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2015-06-09T08:21:08 < emeb_mac> I've got one of those cheapo jlink knockoffs for when I have to use keil.
2015-06-09T08:21:26 < emeb_mac> works fine.
2015-06-09T08:22:14 < ds2> what frustrates me about it is all those licensing crap they put in
2015-06-09T08:22:41 < ds2> so now there is 32492849412384312942840 different versions out there with arbitary license gotchas
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2015-06-09T08:23:05 < PaulFertser> ds2: but with OpenOCD you can do whatever, it uses unrestricted low-level commands.
2015-06-09T08:23:14 < ds2> PaulFertser: not really
2015-06-09T08:23:40 < PaulFertser> dongs: ah, and btw, support for different targets, you can debug not only plenty of ARMs but also MIPSes, Intel Quark etc.
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2015-06-09T08:23:45 < ds2> PaulFertser: I'd use other hw with openocd
2015-06-09T08:24:12 < PaulFertser> ds2: eh, what do you think is wrong in what I said?
2015-06-09T08:25:11 < ds2> PaulFertser: it tries to intervene plus using that makes the legal folks nervous
2015-06-09T08:25:29 < ds2> there jlink license terms apparently change between revs of dev boards
2015-06-09T08:27:00 < PaulFertser> ds2: no, it doesn't try to intervene. Moreover, Alex "Segger" was communicating directly with me to help with OpenOCD support, he didn't mention any legal issues.
2015-06-09T08:27:32 < ds2> PaulFertser: "jlink" covers a wide variety of things :(
2015-06-09T08:28:01 < PaulFertser> ds2: I was talking about those with USB interface.
2015-06-09T08:28:14 < ds2> PaulFertser: is he willing to say a "SamICE" will let you debug a STM32 using OpenOCD?
2015-06-09T08:28:21 < ds2> SamICE is a jlink
2015-06-09T08:28:30 < PaulFertser> Their official protocol documentation doesn't mention any restrictions for basic low-level operations.
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2015-06-09T08:28:34 < dongs> i dont see why it wouldnt
2015-06-09T08:29:02 < ds2> dongs: the SamICE is hw locked to Atmel, AFAIK
2015-06-09T08:29:12 < dongs> not hw
2015-06-09T08:29:34 < PaulFertser> ds2: if "SamICE" is using the same basic protocol as other jlinks, yes, of course it would. You can't meaningfully restrict anything if you're working on JTAG/SWD level.
2015-06-09T08:30:10 < ds2> PaulFertser: another example - the freescale freedom board license has an explicit prohibition on using that with anything other then the freedom board
2015-06-09T08:30:35 < ds2> PaulFertser: "SamICE" is a Jlink hw locked for Atmel (the same jlink.exe works with it)
2015-06-09T08:31:18 < jpa-> ds2: at what point do you agree to that license?
2015-06-09T08:31:25 < ds2> dongs: how is it locked?
2015-06-09T08:31:32 < PaulFertser> ds2: but they're using some retarded "opensda" and provide an optional CMSIS-DAP firmware. The last one can be used with anything obviously (but I admit I didn't study the license in detail, probably they're trying to prohibit it legally, not sure).
2015-06-09T08:31:33 < dongs> ds2, just serial/license shit in flash
2015-06-09T08:31:57 < ds2> jpa-: during the hands on demo session by freescale
2015-06-09T08:32:10 < dongs> opensda shit is aids anyway
2015-06-09T08:32:16 < dongs> just avoid anything feescale, problem solved
2015-06-09T08:32:17 < ds2> PaulFertser: they have a jlink version in addition to opensda
2015-06-09T08:32:20 < dongs> they're all giant cunts
2015-06-09T08:32:40 < PaulFertser> ds2: in that case it would work with anything too.
2015-06-09T08:33:08 < ds2> PaulFertser: yes, I have no issue with using OpenSDA with OpenOCD. My issue is jink is nothing but headaches
2015-06-09T08:33:18 < jpa-> ds2: luls, well yeah, if you agree to silly licenses that is your trouble :)
2015-06-09T08:33:41 < PaulFertser> ds2: come one, OpenSDA doesn't work with OpenOCD _at all_!
2015-06-09T08:33:59 < ds2> jpa-: :) nRF51 dev board has the same crap
2015-06-09T08:34:07 < ds2> PaulFertser: hmmm? there is patches for it
2015-06-09T08:34:22 < PaulFertser> ds2: OpenSDA can be reflashed to mbed's CMSIS-DAP implementation.
2015-06-09T08:34:25 < PaulFertser> ds2: where?
2015-06-09T08:34:41 < dongs> warning: unauthorized openocd fork
2015-06-09T08:34:53 < PaulFertser> ds2: nrf51 boards with jlink ob are reported to work just fine
2015-06-09T08:35:02 < ds2> or maybe I am confusing it with the cmsis stuff
2015-06-09T08:35:12 < PaulFertser> dongs: haha, you know, there's one, Freescale made it and ships with their studio :)
2015-06-09T08:35:31 < ds2> PaulFertser: I looked it up after the seminar a few months ago
2015-06-09T08:36:15 < ds2> PaulFertser: they took out the jumpers for that after rev0 of that board
2015-06-09T08:36:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: they just added some hacks to the "kinetis" flash driver.
2015-06-09T08:36:52 < dongs> when is NXP killing off kinetis line
2015-06-09T08:37:09 < ds2> kill off LPC first
2015-06-09T08:37:20 < dongs> i say they're both equally garbage
2015-06-09T08:38:51 < ds2> dongs: since you are a jlink fan - is there a jlink that will read SWO?
2015-06-09T08:39:06 < dongs> yeah, all of them
2015-06-09T08:39:25 < ds2> even the oem ones?
2015-06-09T08:39:45 < dongs> hardware is same..
2015-06-09T08:39:56 < ds2> yes but is it enabled....
2015-06-09T08:40:31 < dongs> SWOViewer is part of the latest J-Link software package which can be downloaded free of charge. It does not require a license and can be used on any current J-Link model, from J-Link Lite to J-Link Pro.
2015-06-09T08:40:46 < dongs> "any current jlink model"
2015-06-09T08:40:54 < dongs> and thats just for a dedicated pritnf over swo viewer
2015-06-09T08:41:06 < dongs> if your IDE supports other ways of reading stuff from it (like keil etc) then it works
2015-06-09T08:41:49 < ds2> i thought it also lets you dump the trace buffer
2015-06-09T08:41:56 < ds2> like the ETM on the older ARM's
2015-06-09T08:42:20 < dongs> you can use it with logic analyzer shit in keil.
2015-06-09T08:42:21 < dongs> etc.
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2015-06-09T11:28:47 < PeterM> i buy toroids from a specific aliexpress seller quite often, always have been good to me, well packaged, the occasional extra core, i decided to read some of their feedback from other customers,  http://i.imgur.com/fP0vOsx.png spot the odd one out (i assume the V is meant to be a D)
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2015-06-09T11:45:41 < dongs> haha
2015-06-09T11:46:26 < dongs> oh lawl, teh description actualyl said cockrings
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2015-06-09T11:57:01 < PeterM> 1 star rating even though full regfund given is a bit harash
2015-06-09T11:57:05 < PeterM> harsh*
2015-06-09T11:57:21 < jpa-> not really
2015-06-09T11:57:28 < jpa-> wasted 4 weeks of the buyer's time
2015-06-09T11:57:56 < jpa-> if the description actually was blatantly incorrect
2015-06-09T11:58:40 < PeterM> nah actual iutem description was proper ferrite (sendst) toroid description just title wrong
2015-06-09T11:59:00 < jpa-> ok
2015-06-09T11:59:12 < jpa-> i wonder how they managed that wrong title
2015-06-09T11:59:47 < PeterM> who knows
2015-06-09T12:00:11 < PeterM> there is a bit of bad feedback for people confusing "soft magnetic cores" with actual magnets too
2015-06-09T12:00:51 < PeterM> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/metal-cock-rings/789295034.html
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2015-06-09T12:41:10 < karlp> upgrdman: man, sometimes your links are funny, but what on earth was with the partial snippet of judge judy?!
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2015-06-09T12:50:23 < Laurenceb> hey dongs, I worked out how to build zano
2015-06-09T12:50:32 < Laurenceb> use a Rpi compute module
2015-06-09T12:50:34 < Laurenceb>  /troll
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2015-06-09T12:51:34 < karlp> don't you mean the CHIP $9 computer instead? :)
2015-06-09T12:54:01 < Laurenceb> or this
2015-06-09T12:54:02 < Laurenceb> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=g140610189490
2015-06-09T12:54:05 < Laurenceb> sold out :-/
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2015-06-09T12:55:19 < Laurenceb> oh nice, A13 has h.264 hardware encode
2015-06-09T12:59:05 < Laurenceb> LRADC is 6-bit resolution and can work up to maximum conversion rate of 250Hz
2015-06-09T12:59:07 < Laurenceb> lol fail
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2015-06-09T13:03:16 < karlp> it's for measuring things like resistive temp sensors and shit, 250Hz 6 bit is perfectly fine for "has my device overheated? yes/no"
2015-06-09T13:06:25 < Laurenceb> still, looks like a no brainer for a zano type device
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2015-06-09T13:14:08 < Thorn> https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/how-to-get-in-the-news-tell-people-that-you-will-make-and-sell-something-which-cost-you-20-for-9
2015-06-09T13:26:51 < PeterM> karlp 1 bit is fine for yes  no even
2015-06-09T13:27:43 < karlp> well, I allowed a few more for different peoples definitions of yes and no :)
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2015-06-09T13:42:44 < jadew> lol @ cock rings
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2015-06-09T13:43:29 < jadew> I leave negative feedback for wrong description too
2015-06-09T13:43:54 < jadew> I bought a breakout board once for a chip that had two versions
2015-06-09T13:44:06 < jadew> they mentioned the parameters of the better one in the title
2015-06-09T13:44:26 < jadew> and in the description they mentioned both chips
2015-06-09T13:44:36 < jadew> it of course came with the shittier one
2015-06-09T13:45:18 < jadew> they seem to do that a lot
2015-06-09T13:46:03 < jadew> saw once a guy with two listings for the same chip but with different packages
2015-06-09T13:46:18 < jadew> for one listing, he mentioned one package and had the picture for the other one
2015-06-09T13:46:25 < jadew> and for the second listing it was the other way around
2015-06-09T13:46:40 < jadew> so no matter which one you bought, you'd get whatever he felt like selling you
2015-06-09T13:47:40 < jadew> then there is the victim seller
2015-06-09T13:47:54 < jadew> "why u leave negative feedback. we refunded. we victim too"
2015-06-09T13:48:24 < jadew> but you can clearly see that there were tons of complaints about those fake SD cards in his feedback
2015-06-09T13:48:36 < jadew> victim my ass
2015-06-09T13:48:55 < DanteA> Rage!
2015-06-09T13:49:07 < jadew> well, it's very annoying
2015-06-09T13:49:57 < jadew> on ebay, I only gave neg. feedback twice
2015-06-09T13:50:21 < jadew> once because the guy stopped answering and didn't ship and the second time because I recevied a used product
2015-06-09T13:50:36 < jadew> and not only it was used, it looked really shitty, like someone played football with it
2015-06-09T13:50:47 < jadew> and it was advertised as new of course
2015-06-09T13:52:14 < jadew> that being said, I wouldn't have left neg. feedback for the cock ring guy, it was clearly a misunderstanding
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2015-06-09T14:10:03 < _Sync_> hmm, I'm trying to push some high data rates through USART2 on an f103r4, I'm running ABP1 at 42MHz, that should allow it to run at 5.25Mbaud with OVER8 set, but I stop getting any waveform if I go over 2Mbaud o0
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2015-06-09T14:28:00 < jpa-> _Sync_: what values do your baud rate registers have?
2015-06-09T14:37:10 < _Sync_> DIV_Fraction is 0010 and mantissa is 1
2015-06-09T14:37:13 < _Sync_> at 2Mbaud
2015-06-09T14:38:46 < jpa-> and when you go higher? does your mantissa go to 0? :P
2015-06-09T14:39:47 < jpa-> hmm, where is OVER8 on stm32f103? i can't see it in refman
2015-06-09T14:42:02 < _Sync_> ah yeah, my bad :/ I was looking in RM0090 for the F4
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2015-06-09T14:42:12 < _Sync_> I guess it's not going to get faster
2015-06-09T14:42:18 < _Sync_> well, too bad
2015-06-09T14:42:34 < jpa-> if you only needed to transmit, you could probably hack higher freq with spi
2015-06-09T14:43:10 < _Sync_> hmmm
2015-06-09T14:45:14 < _Sync_> maybe I should just slap a F4 in there
2015-06-09T14:46:27 < jpa-> or use usart1
2015-06-09T14:47:08 < jpa-> what are you communicating with anyway?
2015-06-09T14:49:24 < _Sync_> a PC currently
2015-06-09T14:49:50 < _Sync_> but in the end this is a remote power stage for a VFD
2015-06-09T14:50:17 < _Sync_> that streams back phase current/voltages and gets pwm values from the main controller
2015-06-09T14:50:46 < _Sync_> I guess 2.25Mbaud will be fine, I'll have to see
2015-06-09T14:51:06 < jpa-> synchronous serial could be one option
2015-06-09T14:52:22 < dongs> sup circuitmaker beta testers
2015-06-09T14:52:41 < jpa-> almost finished designing new zano mainboard
2015-06-09T14:52:46 < dongs> sweet
2015-06-09T14:52:57 < jpa-> will include new ground breaking patented brushed DC driving technology
2015-06-09T14:53:09 < _Sync_> I'll probably shift around the data so that I do not need to transfer 7*16 bit but 11*8 bit
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2015-06-09T14:54:05 < _Sync_> and maybe only go for 8 bit resolution on the DClink voltage so that I can get away with 80bits transferred
2015-06-09T14:54:34 < jpa-> remember to add some checksum
2015-06-09T14:54:36 < Laurenceb> http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/03/26/1226606/674385-kim-jong-un.jpg
2015-06-09T14:54:38 < Laurenceb> irc user
2015-06-09T14:54:41 < jpa-> and frame resync
2015-06-09T14:55:17 < _Sync_> yeah, or yolo it and add a slight gap
2015-06-09T14:55:49 < jpa-> perhaps your VFD only lives once also
2015-06-09T14:57:27 < dongs> there's like one post per 12-24 hours on circuitmakerfail forum
2015-06-09T14:57:34 < dongs> can safely say that shit is dead
2015-06-09T14:57:41 < _Sync_> well, so far it has not blown up
2015-06-09T14:58:07 < jpa-> it might win eagle, though
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2015-06-09T17:21:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpTuKcrD0JQ
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2015-06-09T18:24:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> Shame about that CHIP thing, I was hoping R8 really would be super cheap
2015-06-09T18:24:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> $16 doesn't sound that unreasonable for what it does though
2015-06-09T18:24:40 < trepidaciousMBR2> The R8 module I mean
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2015-06-09T18:56:05 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS#History
2015-06-09T18:56:07 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-06-09T19:07:54 < _Sync_> defuk
2015-06-09T19:08:37 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-06-09T19:08:39 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/templeos
2015-06-09T19:10:55 < Laurenceb> this gets more and more insane http://8ch.net/templeos/
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2015-06-09T19:13:25 < karlp> didn't we go over this a few months ago? where were you then Laurenceb ?
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2015-06-09T19:13:34 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-09T19:15:01 < Laurenceb> epic lol  https://twitter.com/TempleOS/status/461423615582298112
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2015-06-10T01:11:35 < upgrdman_> sup pros.
2015-06-10T01:12:06 < upgrdman_> those illuminated rocker switches for mains ac... are there any that can handle both 120V and 240V?
2015-06-10T01:12:26 < upgrdman_> as in, the illumination works with both voltages
2015-06-10T01:17:07 < qyx_> i would assume so
2015-06-10T01:17:21 < qyx_> usually there is a neon glow lamp inside
2015-06-10T01:17:47 < upgrdman_> neon lamps present a constant power load?
2015-06-10T01:20:53 < BrainDamage> no, but they'll still lit with 120V
2015-06-10T01:21:01 < BrainDamage> they'll just look more faint
2015-06-10T01:21:06 < upgrdman_> ok cool. thanks.
2015-06-10T01:21:17 < BrainDamage> but nothing you'd notice unless you had 2 side to side
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2015-06-10T02:59:43 < dongs> sup is zano shipped yet
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2015-06-10T04:43:24 < upgrdman> what's a fair salary for a entry-level electronic engineer? in california, if that matters.
2015-06-10T04:54:01 < dongs> in japan it would be like $2k a month before deductions
2015-06-10T04:54:02 < dongs> lulz
2015-06-10T04:54:29 < dongs> its no wonder they love jumping in front of moving trains so often
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2015-06-10T04:55:19 < Rickta59> anyone familiar with veneers and arm-none-eabi-gcc and why I would need them on a cortex-m3? I've replaced the code the compiler generated with some inline asm and it works fine without the veneers * I'm calling ram functions
2015-06-10T04:58:06 < dongs> i remember doing something wihtr them but i forgot what it was
2015-06-10T04:59:45 < upgrdman> what's a veneer in this context?
2015-06-10T05:00:00 < Rickta59> the compiler generates a bunch of crap around my call
2015-06-10T05:00:10 < upgrdman> push/pop'ing?
2015-06-10T05:00:11 < Rickta59> push popping .. general noise
2015-06-10T05:00:45 < englishman> upgrdman: entry level ee in bay area cali should pay at least $180k
2015-06-10T05:00:52 < Rickta59> heh
2015-06-10T05:00:56 < englishman> dont settle for a penny less
2015-06-10T05:00:59 < upgrdman> 180k? lol right
2015-06-10T05:01:17 < englishman> youre only getting scammed if you take less
2015-06-10T05:03:51 < dongs> 180k lol
2015-06-10T05:04:05 < dongs> you'd have to be zano-level pro mips32 assembly coder
2015-06-10T05:04:07 < dongs> to get that much
2015-06-10T05:05:32 < englishman> pff
2015-06-10T05:05:39 < englishman> any less and you might as well be working at costco
2015-06-10T05:06:00 < dongs> programming the tills
2015-06-10T05:26:07 < gxti> costco in bay area pays six figures already amirite
2015-06-10T05:29:00 < aandrew> Rickta59: what's got you asking about veneers?
2015-06-10T05:30:09 < dongs> dont you kinda need veneer to jump from flash to ram
2015-06-10T05:30:23 < dongs> shruggin
2015-06-10T05:30:30 < aandrew> depends on the memory map and whether you're thumb or arm mode
2015-06-10T05:30:32 < dongs> i let pro compilers do their job
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2015-06-10T05:31:36 < englishman> theres zero point in working in sf for less than $200k
2015-06-10T05:31:43 < englishman> you still wont be able to afford a house
2015-06-10T05:32:07 < dongs> yah
2015-06-10T05:32:09 < englishman> people will still be making 100x that starting companies that make breakout! for iphoone but slightly different
2015-06-10T05:32:12 < dongs> my pal is living somewehre near there
2015-06-10T05:32:25 < aandrew> englishman: I don't think I'm that out of touch that I think entry level anyone is making anywhere close to 200k
2015-06-10T05:32:32 < dongs> he was just like oh, im only paying 2.5k for rent
2015-06-10T05:32:45 < englishman> for 600ft 1hr commute from work
2015-06-10T05:32:51 < englishman> 600sqft
2015-06-10T05:33:58 < gxti> one day california will fall into the sea, and there will be much rejoiicing
2015-06-10T05:34:26 < emeb_mac> In Arizona due to new beachfront property
2015-06-10T05:34:32 < gxti> LA is a vile shithole and SF is a startup circlejerk. the rest is acceptable collateral damage.
2015-06-10T05:36:39 < dongs> startup circlejerk, i likethat
2015-06-10T05:36:47 < dongs> all teh bullshit dickstarters
2015-06-10T05:54:36 < Rickta59> i want to get rid of them aandrew .. and I want to see if anyone knew the background on them
2015-06-10T05:55:04 < Rickta59> I've been digging around and it appears a combination of -mlong-calls and -mno-thumb-interwork does away with them
2015-06-10T05:55:29 < Rickta59> i was more wondering why they even exist and why I would want them
2015-06-10T05:56:22 < Rickta59> i'm on a cortex-m3 so I'm only going to ever be in thumb2 mode no?
2015-06-10T05:59:45 < upgrdman> anyone make a 10+ DoF in one package?
2015-06-10T06:02:44 < Rickta59> aandrew: this is what it looks like with the veneers
2015-06-10T06:02:46 < Rickta59> http://dpaste.com/2X252J2
2015-06-10T06:04:38 < Rickta59> http://dpaste.com/0F948T0 and here without veneers
2015-06-10T06:13:12 < dongs> upgrdman: bosch
2015-06-10T06:13:29 < upgrdman> any idea on name or pn?
2015-06-10T06:14:54 < dongs> ive seen it before
2015-06-10T06:16:29 < dongs> hm or maybe not, but it was some sensor hub-like hsit or someshit, anyway, not available, you arent gonna buy it in single qtys anyway
2015-06-10T06:16:47 < dongs> mgiht  even been invensense
2015-06-10T06:19:37 < dongs> MPU9250 is 3x3, BMP280 is 3x2mm + some 0402 caps around them
2015-06-10T06:21:13 < englishman> you can put bmp280 on top and add jumper to pads around by hand
2015-06-10T06:21:13 < englishman> DONE
2015-06-10T06:21:36 < dongs> wirebond that stuff
2015-06-10T06:23:00 < dongs> just heard usb disconnect sound and smoke
2015-06-10T06:25:32 < englishman> kickstarter: failed
2015-06-10T06:26:37 < dongs> .hm still works
2015-06-10T06:26:44 < dongs> i definitel saw a cloud of smoke
2015-06-10T06:26:44 < dongs> hguhu
2015-06-10T06:27:18 < englishman> maybe you were smoking ganja and forgot
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2015-06-10T08:34:27 < dongs> As I don't have time to read through 6000 comments have we been told when we night actually video of a working Zano with footage / stills from it?
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2015-06-10T10:11:21 < dongs> jpa-: but they have IR leds
2015-06-10T10:12:28 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IjESv05.jpg attn Laurenceb
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2015-06-10T10:34:21 < jpa-> bah, this is happening again  http://paste.dy.fi/fcg/plain
2015-06-10T10:34:23 < jpa-> any ideas?
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2015-06-10T10:41:25 < dongs> is that embedded C
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2015-06-10T10:43:43 < PaulFertser> jpa-: PC suggests an ARM mode branch was made and LR is meaningless, right?
2015-06-10T10:44:07 < PaulFertser> So that's not the actuall call site apparently, you've arrived there from somewhere else I guess.
2015-06-10T10:44:55 < jpa-> hmm, PC is always even in my crash screens
2015-06-10T10:49:27 < PaulFertser> Rereading it, LR seems fine, and it's really calling that function, hm. Probably some "overclocking" or other hw instability is playing a role here?
2015-06-10T10:51:00 < jpa-> my flash acr wait states are 5, vcc 3.3V and hclk 168MHz; should be within specs
2015-06-10T10:51:24 < jpa-> but yeah, all signs point to random flash read failures after some specific combination of timing and locations
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2015-06-10T10:52:14 < jpa-> i have data & instruction caches enabled so code location can quite easily affect the flash read amounts
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2015-06-10T11:00:29 < jpa-> i do get somewhat similar faults if i set the wait states to 4, though
2015-06-10T11:00:45 < jpa-> maybe i'll try to increase it to 6 by patching the binary and see if the problem persists
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2015-06-10T11:25:34 < jpa-> okay, modded to flash waitstates = 6; now just to wait if it still occurs
2015-06-10T11:25:48 < jpa-> funny though because i should be well within the spec in every way
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2015-06-10T11:54:55 < jpa-> initial results: seems to help
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2015-06-10T12:32:21 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  https://twitter.com/TempleOS/status/461423615582298112
2015-06-10T12:34:42 < karlp> Rickta59: -mno-thumb-interwork is the default, that shouldn't have been changing anything for you unless you have a very precious flower of a toolchain.
2015-06-10T12:35:57 < karlp> long calls would definititely have changed things, as you're jumping from flash to sram, and that's off by default.
2015-06-10T12:40:17 < jpa-> linux: not just for lunatics anymore!
2015-06-10T12:45:41 < Ecco> Hi everyone :)
2015-06-10T12:46:54 < Ecco> I'm reading the datasheet of an LCD panel and I have a hard time understanding the backlight characteristics
2015-06-10T12:47:21 < Ecco> (I should mention I'm a total newbie at this point)
2015-06-10T12:47:40 < Ecco> THe backlight is basically an LED
2015-06-10T12:48:01 < Ecco> and the datasheet says "supply current : 20mA, power consumtion 400 mW, forward voltage 20 Volts"
2015-06-10T12:48:28 < Ecco> it does seem to add up (20mA * 20 Volts are indeed 400 mW), but what I fail to understand is where do these 20 volts come from?
2015-06-10T12:48:42 < Ecco> Am I supposed to provide them myself to the panel?
2015-06-10T12:52:23 < jpa-> yes, unless you are using a module that has SMPS providing it on board
2015-06-10T12:52:48 < jpa-> reference schematic will probably help
2015-06-10T12:53:40 < Ecco> Ok
2015-06-10T12:53:51 < Ecco> Well, 400 mW is awfully high
2015-06-10T12:53:54 < Ecco> isn't it?
2015-06-10T12:54:17 < jpa-> sounds typical for many TFT panels
2015-06-10T12:54:31 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-10T12:54:37 < jpa-> but most cheap TFT panels are not very power efficient anyway
2015-06-10T12:54:42 < Ecco> I understand
2015-06-10T12:54:54 < Ecco> So that means I need a strong step-up
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2015-06-10T12:56:58 < Ecco> So those 400mW may end up being much more when hitting the batteries, right?
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2015-06-10T13:00:12 < jpa-> yes
2015-06-10T13:00:22 < jpa-> not that you are forced to run it at 100% brightness, though
2015-06-10T13:06:39 < Ecco> Oh, ok. What is the "tension-to-brightness" curve? Is it linear?
2015-06-10T13:09:55 < jpa-> you always need 20V of voltage
2015-06-10T13:10:04 < jpa-> but current vs. brightness is somewhat linear
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2015-06-10T13:26:28 < dongs> you probably want to use a led driver IC
2015-06-10T13:26:38 < dongs> most will have a boost regulator of some kind built in.
2015-06-10T13:26:55 < dongs> which will automatically determine the final voltage, too
2015-06-10T13:27:48 < dongs> latest altium 15.1.12 still has no dots over i's
2015-06-10T13:29:10 < Laurenceb> but does it cross the t  ?
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2015-06-10T13:30:29 < dongs> breaking news: ZANO switches to http://shitsenders.com/ for final delivery to customers
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2015-06-10T13:44:03 < Ecco> dongs: Thanks!
2015-06-10T13:44:55 < Ecco> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/layouts_and_diagrams/schematic_pack/stm32f429i-disco_sch.zip
2015-06-10T13:45:14 < Ecco> Do you guys know which software was used to make those?
2015-06-10T13:45:33 < Ecco> (I hope it can be guessed by the "look and feel" of the resulting PDF)
2015-06-10T13:45:44 < Ecco> Well
2015-06-10T13:45:46 < Ecco> sorry to have bothered
2015-06-10T13:45:52 < Ecco> it's written in the metadata of the PDF
2015-06-10T13:46:00 < Ecco> It's actually Altium Designer Summer 09
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2015-06-10T14:01:01 < Ecco> Oh, ok, I got it now
2015-06-10T14:01:17 < Ecco> I was looking at the STM32F4 discovery board with an integrated LCD
2015-06-10T14:01:48 < Ecco> and was wondering why there was no specific LED driver
2015-06-10T14:01:57 < Ecco> apparently it's embedded in the LCD panel
2015-06-10T14:03:15 < dongs> yes the lcd on discovey is just a shitty white led, it has no driver
2015-06-10T14:03:25 < dongs> most larger lcds will have several leds in a string
2015-06-10T14:03:29 < dongs> and several of those strings
2015-06-10T14:03:39 < Ecco> I understand
2015-06-10T14:04:01 < Ecco> So tiny LCD = single LED = no step-up converter needed
2015-06-10T14:04:12 < dongs> yeah.
2015-06-10T14:04:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-10T14:04:50 < Ecco> crap :)
2015-06-10T14:05:02 < Ecco> Apparently the voltage regulator are somewhat pricey
2015-06-10T14:07:08 < Ecco> Thanks for the help though, it's now a lot clearer :)
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2015-06-10T14:53:24 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXxhvKmVb0
2015-06-10T14:53:29 < englishman> i hope ugfx can do this
2015-06-10T14:55:35 < ReadError> woh
2015-06-10T15:18:02 < jadew> my seek thermal just arrived
2015-06-10T15:18:16 < jadew> definitely ok for PCB work
2015-06-10T15:22:44 < dongs> picsd or it didnt happen
2015-06-10T15:26:41 < jadew> dongs, I'll post some later, I gave the phone back to my wife, I have a windows phone and the other android phone in the house has the USB connector the other way around
2015-06-10T15:26:47 < jadew> so I can only do selfies with it
2015-06-10T15:27:04 < dongs> o rite
2015-06-10T15:27:28 < dongs> get a short  usb cable
2015-06-10T15:27:30 < dongs> or make one
2015-06-10T15:27:39 < jadew> I'll have to make one
2015-06-10T15:27:43 < dongs> i think its kinda dumb to require it to be tethered like taht anyway
2015-06-10T15:27:49 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-10T15:27:53 < dongs> would make more sense if they shipepd a cable with it
2015-06-10T15:28:04 < dongs> ]do tehy even use phoen camera for flir-msx-like shit?
2015-06-10T15:28:07 < dongs> to enhance the thermal
2015-06-10T15:28:09 < jadew> definitely, but I guess cables with micro USB female on one end are not that common
2015-06-10T15:28:09 < dongs> or not bother
2015-06-10T15:28:19 < dongs> sure, but they're already  charging $200 orw ahtever for it
2015-06-10T15:28:21 < jadew> they don't bother
2015-06-10T15:28:44 < jadew> you can bring the video camera in view too, but I didn't test that feature
2015-06-10T15:29:19 < jadew> I think a better idea would be to have a support and a cable
2015-06-10T15:29:27 < jadew> so you can have the thermal camera closer to the phone's camera
2015-06-10T15:29:35 < dongs> I hope they ship soon, and not at the end of June. I was planning on going on vacation and taking my Zano with me. any updates @ Torquing Group Ltd ?
2015-06-10T15:29:49 < jadew> heh
2015-06-10T15:37:40 < jadew> pictures comming soon
2015-06-10T15:40:10 < jadew> they look better on the phone heh
2015-06-10T15:40:22 < dongs> heh
2015-06-10T15:42:03 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/seek/img_thermal_1433939754751.jpg
2015-06-10T15:42:13 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/seek/img_thermal_1433939777425.jpg
2015-06-10T15:42:24 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/seek/img_thermal_1433939823204.jpg
2015-06-10T15:42:34 < jadew> I think it's good enough to figure out what's going on
2015-06-10T15:43:30 < jadew> I suppose that if any traces would get hot, they would show up
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2015-06-10T15:45:09 < jadew> I wonder how the flir one would do at this distance
2015-06-10T15:47:40 < jadew> the colored ones seem a bit harder to read: http://dumb.ro/files/seek/img_thermal_1433938456255.jpg
2015-06-10T15:48:33 < jadew> anyway, not the greatest for sure, but you can definitely figure out which component/trace gets and how heat gets distributed on the PCB
2015-06-10T15:52:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jxqTvji.jpg
2015-06-10T15:52:09 < dongs> flir does this
2015-06-10T15:52:21 < jadew> heh, not flir one tho
2015-06-10T15:52:36 < Lux> dongs: is that with a lens or stock ?
2015-06-10T15:52:45 < jadew> it's the E4
2015-06-10T15:52:49 < jadew> hacked to E8 I bet
2015-06-10T15:54:57 < Lux> e4/hacked8 + a znse lens is pretty nice for looking at small stuff
2015-06-10T15:57:18 < dongs> lux, lens
2015-06-10T16:03:58 < jadew> resized to the same resolution as the FLIR you posted, it doesn't look that bad either: http://dumb.ro/files/seek/img_thermal_1433941177570.png
2015-06-10T16:17:05 < dongs> is that  HACKRF
2015-06-10T16:17:08 < dongs> err, BladeRF
2015-06-10T16:17:10 < dongs> or someshit
2015-06-10T16:17:16 < dongs> BLOGRF
2015-06-10T16:17:23 < jadew> heh, no
2015-06-10T16:17:31 < dongs> some dickstarter shit of yours?
2015-06-10T16:17:34 < jadew> it's something I'm working on
2015-06-10T16:17:35 < jadew> no
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2015-06-10T16:38:23 < Laurenceb> someone needs to make a PAL modulator for the cheap thermal camera modules
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2015-06-10T16:41:13 < jadew> I'm planning to use it on my PC
2015-06-10T16:41:25 < jadew> but I need a proper cable
2015-06-10T16:41:42 < karlp> Laurenceb: why? so I can plug it into... what? that has PAL inputs?
2015-06-10T16:41:49 < jadew> a tv
2015-06-10T16:42:35 < Laurenceb> karlp: a modulator
2015-06-10T16:42:39 < karlp> analog lives forever....
2015-06-10T16:43:09 < karlp> jadew: yeah, I know what he meant, I was just thinking it was kinda odd choice.
2015-06-10T16:43:12 < Laurenceb> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Euzv52klUOE/hqdefault.jpg
2015-06-10T16:43:44 < jadew> karlp, yeah, I don't think it would work great either, the image looks like crap anyway so if you blow it up to the size of a TV, it's gonna look worse
2015-06-10T16:43:59 < jadew> ah, you mean odd choice because it's old technology, got it
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2015-06-10T16:46:17 < Laurenceb> rage
2015-06-10T16:46:18 < Laurenceb> http://www.flytron.com/thermal-cameras/303-dronethermal-micro-uav-thermal-camera.html
2015-06-10T16:46:23 < Laurenceb> beendone
2015-06-10T16:47:41 < dongs> lol flytron more like flytroll
2015-06-10T16:47:45 < dongs> i thought htey were in turkey
2015-06-10T16:47:46 < dongs> not in UK
2015-06-10T16:47:48 < dongs> did he move?
2015-06-10T16:48:01 < Laurenceb> probably via back of a lorry
2015-06-10T16:48:46 < Laurenceb> lol @ dual pcb stack
2015-06-10T16:49:06 < Laurenceb> rofl  http://www.flytron.com/thermal-cameras/305-flir-lepton-25-fov-camera-core-for-drones.html
2015-06-10T16:49:17 < Laurenceb> £100 for that shitty pcb
2015-06-10T16:51:17 < dongs> looks like circuitmaker cloud has shitted itself
2015-06-10T16:52:12 < dongs> theri forum is full of rage
2015-06-10T16:53:23 < jadew> hah, people can't load their projects anymore?
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2015-06-10T17:00:29 < PeterM> beta software is beta
2015-06-10T17:17:18 < _Sync_> I thought they were ded dongs
2015-06-10T17:21:15 < dongs> they are now
2015-06-10T17:22:46 < dongs> hm, cocks
2015-06-10T17:22:53 < dongs> my office network is ded
2015-06-10T17:22:54 < dongs> bbl
2015-06-10T17:26:09 < dongs> oh wut
2015-06-10T17:26:25 < dongs> 'emergency maintenance' from 8pm to 23:30
2015-06-10T17:26:43 < dongs> good thing they dont have a SLA on this shit
2015-06-10T17:26:45 < dongs> or i'd be screaming
2015-06-10T17:26:47 < _Sync_> sounds fun
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2015-06-10T17:29:21 < dongs> hm
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2015-06-10T17:59:07 < mervaka> ere
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2015-06-10T18:25:41 < Ecco> dongs: What kind of connectivity is that?
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2015-06-10T18:31:32 < dongs> nice, it was a power outage for like 15 mins
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2015-06-10T18:31:38 < dongs> and my garbage UPS didnt last that long
2015-06-10T18:31:49 < dongs> so when everything came back up, none of the VMs did.
2015-06-10T18:42:35 < dongs> heh altium eagle import failed to pickup that component was on bottom layer
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2015-06-10T21:24:20 < kakimir> hello
2015-06-10T21:25:01 < kakimir> had short day so I can code little bit
2015-06-10T21:25:05 < kakimir> only 12hours
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2015-06-10T21:29:10 < Steffanx> you can make the day as long as you want kakimir
2015-06-10T21:29:26 < Steffanx> for yourself
2015-06-10T21:30:08 < kakimir> my attension was not perfect for driving tractor so I change to coding
2015-06-10T21:30:27 < Steffanx> farmer kakimir :)
2015-06-10T21:30:37 < kakimir> my longest day was 32hours
2015-06-10T21:30:44 < Steffanx> kakeman was a better nick.
2015-06-10T21:31:18 < kakimir> my father didn't want to lose so he continued 46hours
2015-06-10T21:37:37 < kakimir> or just wanted to finish the job
2015-06-10T21:39:59 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85y7Z9GK1WI musicspam
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2015-06-10T22:08:09 < qyx_> 80x60 pixels, mission critical applications
2015-06-10T22:08:10 < qyx_> uhm
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2015-06-10T22:34:45 < vcore> has someone experience with connecting multiple devices with the same address on the same i2c bus?
2015-06-10T22:35:44 < kakimir> how many?
2015-06-10T22:37:19 < kakimir> is it known number or ?
2015-06-10T22:37:42 < kakimir> variable?
2015-06-10T22:37:57 < vcore> 3
2015-06-10T22:39:03 < vcore> 3 ssd1306 screens
2015-06-10T22:40:39 < vcore> something like this: https://d3s5r33r268y59.cloudfront.net/3701/products/thumbs/1002-2013-07-11-11-37-15-IMG_1326.JPG.2560x2560_q85.jpg
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2015-06-10T22:42:37 < kakimir> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT4052.pdf is there any difficulties usin thing like this?
2015-06-10T22:43:23 < scummos> "don't step on it"
2015-06-10T22:43:29 < scummos> "don't apply 220V"
2015-06-10T22:44:32 < scummos> ah for i2c you mean
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2015-06-10T22:45:13 < kakimir> I would try that mux with some pull up resistors
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2015-06-10T22:47:04 < kakimir> one sole master and three sole slaves
2015-06-10T22:47:46 < scummos> should work yes
2015-06-10T22:50:15 < kakimir> note here I have never got into i2c
2015-06-10T22:50:31 < kakimir> just plug stuff, works wow
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2015-06-10T22:51:27 < kakimir> if there is some activity from display side or whatever device there is
2015-06-10T22:52:01 < kakimir> you can connect gpio to every seperate sda line
2015-06-10T22:52:17 < kakimir> as interrupt source
2015-06-10T22:52:37 < kakimir> detects start condition
2015-06-10T22:53:24 < kakimir> am I rite?
2015-06-10T22:53:43 < kakimir> then super quick tune in wiith mux
2015-06-10T22:54:38 < vcore> thanks, i should try to use mux
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2015-06-11T00:36:14 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/Z7MaxKp
2015-06-11T00:36:34 < ReadError> f7 disco
2015-06-11T00:40:10 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/1o8K9Is.jpg
2015-06-11T00:40:46 < qyx_> wat
2015-06-11T00:40:53 < upgrdman_> wow. price?
2015-06-11T00:41:01 < qyx_> matrix touch?
2015-06-11T00:41:03 < qyx_> why?
2015-06-11T00:41:10 < ReadError> upgrdman not mine
2015-06-11T00:41:12 < Laurenceb_> what
2015-06-11T00:41:13 < Laurenceb_> what
2015-06-11T00:41:14 < ReadError> but he said 49 euro
2015-06-11T00:41:15 < Laurenceb_> OMG
2015-06-11T00:41:21 < Laurenceb_> droooooolllll
2015-06-11T00:41:28 < ReadError> IT SUPPORTS ARDUINO SHEILDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2015-06-11T00:41:33 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2015-06-11T00:41:39 < qyx_> are they serious with that matrix touch overlay?
2015-06-11T00:41:50 < qyx_> lol
2015-06-11T00:41:51 < qyx_> capacitivy
2015-06-11T00:41:54 < qyx_> ok, i said nothing
2015-06-11T00:42:07  * ReadError points to the corner
2015-06-11T00:42:16 < qyx_> i just looked at the picture without reading
2015-06-11T00:42:18 < Laurenceb_> not sure if discovery board or iphone7
2015-06-11T00:42:30 < upgrdman_> iDiscovery
2015-06-11T00:42:33 < BrainDamage> iphone7 has no ethernet
2015-06-11T00:43:02 < Laurenceb_> cpu increased? 216mhz
2015-06-11T00:43:23 < Laurenceb_> where is the arduino thingy?
2015-06-11T00:43:35 < ReadError> 2nd pic
2015-06-11T00:43:40 < ReadError> see the plastic female headers
2015-06-11T00:43:46 < ReadError> w/ the D2 D4 etc
2015-06-11T00:44:01 < qyx_> lol
2015-06-11T00:44:19 < qyx_> btw any ETA for L4?
2015-06-11T00:44:47 < Laurenceb_> composite video?
2015-06-11T00:45:00 < ReadError> SPDIF
2015-06-11T00:45:28 < ReadError> hmm
2015-06-11T00:45:30 < Laurenceb_> oh
2015-06-11T00:45:33 < ReadError> whats that thing to the left of it
2015-06-11T00:45:35 < ReadError> EXT/RF ?
2015-06-11T00:45:53 < Laurenceb_> its their standard header for
2015-06-11T00:45:58 < Laurenceb_> frid stuff
2015-06-11T00:46:01 < Laurenceb_> *rfid
2015-06-11T00:52:08 < Laurenceb_> is that a USB PHY  ?
2015-06-11T00:53:36 < Ecco> Nice !
2015-06-11T00:54:03 < Ecco> Is it available somewhere?
2015-06-11T00:54:35 < Ecco> http://www.st.com/stm32f7-discovery -> 404
2015-06-11T00:56:05 < Laurenceb_> someone should make a tablet case for it :D
2015-06-11T00:56:24 < ReadError> Ecco, this guy said they where giving them out at a seminar
2015-06-11T00:56:29 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-06-11T00:56:31 < ReadError> i couldnt find anything on them though
2015-06-11T00:56:32 < Ecco> Lucky dude
2015-06-11T00:56:43 < Ecco> 49€ seems awfully cheap though
2015-06-11T00:56:59 < Ecco> (Especially since there's such a large display)
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2015-06-11T01:42:31 < kakimir> have you build for yourselfs generic buck-boost boards with mcu control?
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2015-06-11T01:48:37 < upgrdman_> 49 isn't a bad price, but seems kinda high when you consider that entire smartphones are sold from china for around the same price.
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2015-06-11T01:55:46 < kakimir> just bought new phone
2015-06-11T01:57:36 < kakimir> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover_3-6990.php
2015-06-11T01:58:06 < kakimir> first xcover than have enough memory for user apps
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2015-06-11T03:49:27 < Getty> http://imgur.com/gallery/dPpjP5g
2015-06-11T03:49:37 < dongs> Thank you for using.
2015-06-11T03:49:37 < dongs> Please wait until the download begins.
2015-06-11T03:49:38 < dongs> After finishing the download, please close this window with "CLOSE" button.
2015-06-11T03:52:10 < ReadError> dongs, see the f7 disco
2015-06-11T03:52:16 < ReadError> with arduino shield support
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2015-06-11T03:59:03 < dongs> cool
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2015-06-11T06:09:14 < dongs> To help jump-start your project, Hackaday is holding various workshops around the world to take designers from zero to finished Printed Circuit Board (PCB) quickly and easily. The workshop will guide you through PCB design to basic manufacturing techniques. Even if you have no knowledge on where to start with PCB design, these workshops will aid you in learning more about going from zero to (PCB) hero in no time at all.
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2015-06-11T06:16:32 < ReadError> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pornhub-space-program-sexploration#/story
2015-06-11T06:16:43 < dongs> old/boring
2015-06-11T06:16:48 < ReadError> fake?
2015-06-11T06:16:57 < dongs> wiat wat 3.4mil
2015-06-11T06:16:59 < dongs> good luck
2015-06-11T06:17:24 < ReadError> its only been up 14hrs
2015-06-11T06:17:37 < ReadError> but thats a big ass goal
2015-06-11T06:19:23 < dongs> arduino dickstarters make more in 14 hours than this shit ever will
2015-06-11T06:22:35 < Getty> well we could shift the money from zano to it hrhr ;-)
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2015-06-11T06:49:38 < dongs> @reece_crowther: we start filming for creating ZANO part 7 tomorrow. Priority is firmly on actual development at this stage and not documenting it. Patience is appreciated by all at this vital stage, the team is working 14+ hour day with no weekends off to ensure the best ZANO experience for all of our backers
2015-06-11T06:49:43 < dongs> lol
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2015-06-11T06:56:19 < englishman> :)
2015-06-11T06:56:58 < dongs> 400% optimized assembly c ode is hard
2015-06-11T06:57:05 < dongs> they shoulda cleancoded it in C++
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2015-06-11T09:08:49 < emeb_mac> http://latest.com/2015/05/the-20-billion-japanese-porn-industry-threatened-by-a-lack-of-male-actors/
2015-06-11T09:09:32 < jpa-> dongs to the rescue
2015-06-11T09:09:45 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-06-11T09:09:53 < DanteA> :)
2015-06-11T09:30:13 < Devilholk>  “If we got a banana or a pineapple we went crazy with joy. These days’ men don’t get excited by anything — the finest cookies or cakes. The same applies to sex and attitudes towards women and relationships. They just click on the Internet for it.”
2015-06-11T09:30:34 < Devilholk> I'd make porn if it would give me more time to do coding
2015-06-11T09:32:07 < Devilholk> I wonder what male porn actors make, I always thought they mostly did it for scraps
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2015-06-11T09:52:23 < jadew> after a night of work I almost did it
2015-06-11T09:52:26 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/EdoFu.png
2015-06-11T09:52:53 < jadew> the only thing left to do is figure out how to detect those dark pixels
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2015-06-11T09:59:53 < Devilholk> What sensor are you using?
2015-06-11T10:00:01 < jadew> seek thermal
2015-06-11T10:00:22 < jadew> trying to make it work on windows
2015-06-11T10:00:41 < Devilholk> What is the red and green pixels?
2015-06-11T10:00:55 < jadew> max and minimum
2015-06-11T10:00:58 < Devilholk> ah
2015-06-11T10:01:05 < jadew> I needed to know that they're displayed properly
2015-06-11T10:01:47 < Devilholk> It looks like you have some lines both horizontal and vertical
2015-06-11T10:01:51 < Devilholk> Know what those are?
2015-06-11T10:02:23 < jadew> not really, I think the whole thing drifts a bit right after the calibration frame
2015-06-11T10:04:15 < Devilholk> It looks useful enough to find hot spots on PCBs =)
2015-06-11T10:04:53 < jadew> yeah, works fine for that but I want nicer image quality
2015-06-11T10:05:50 < jadew> I think that green pixel is dead
2015-06-11T10:06:06 < jadew> one of the brightest
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2015-06-11T10:21:00 < dongs> MEGADONGS
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2015-06-11T11:04:35 < mervaka> morning people
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2015-06-11T11:04:50 < mervaka> not sure if this is a good place to ask USB related questions?
2015-06-11T11:05:01 < zyp> sure
2015-06-11T11:05:06 < mervaka> okay
2015-06-11T11:05:27 < mervaka> i've made my peripheral fucking awesome now and NAKs things that it can't cope with
2015-06-11T11:06:03 < mervaka> however, i seem to be getting some symptoms suggesting duplicate packets
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2015-06-11T11:06:31 < mervaka> this is usb midi class compliant btw
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2015-06-11T11:07:30 < zyp> uh, sounds like you have a misconception about NAKs
2015-06-11T11:07:38 < mervaka> i seem to be getting DATA packets of invalid length for USB MIDI, and with a bopy of just 00 00
2015-06-11T11:07:43 < mervaka> body*
2015-06-11T11:08:03 < zyp> anyway, first off all, which chip is this?
2015-06-11T11:08:12 < mervaka> f103
2015-06-11T11:08:19 < zyp> okay
2015-06-11T11:08:34 < zyp> can you elaborate on this NAK behavior of yours?
2015-06-11T11:08:48 < mervaka> ok
2015-06-11T11:09:13 < mervaka> the OUT endpoint interrupt just copies from PMA into a working four byte buffer
2015-06-11T11:09:21 < mervaka> and doesn't revalidate the endpoint
2015-06-11T11:09:57 < mervaka> mainloop triggered function then checks the state of the endpoint. if it's NAK, then it processes the working buffer, then revalidates the endpoint
2015-06-11T11:10:53 < mervaka> i believe the USB peripheral is supposed to automatically NAK after receiption of a data packet
2015-06-11T11:10:59 < zyp> that is correct
2015-06-11T11:11:05 < mervaka> cool
2015-06-11T11:11:20 < mervaka> i'm more perplexed about why i'm getting garbage down the wire
2015-06-11T11:11:23 < zyp> it's this part about «NAKs things that it can't cope with» that I'm asking about
2015-06-11T11:11:31 < mervaka> ah
2015-06-11T11:11:41 < mervaka> probably my bad explaination
2015-06-11T11:12:07 < mervaka> it stays NAKd until that packet has been parsed by mainloop
2015-06-11T11:12:19 < zyp> right
2015-06-11T11:12:41 < zyp> it just sounded like you'd use NAK as a means to report errors, which it's not
2015-06-11T11:12:49 < mervaka> of course
2015-06-11T11:12:50 < zyp> it's solely a flow control mechanism
2015-06-11T11:12:52 < mervaka> yeah
2015-06-11T11:13:14 < mervaka> the code i inherited just blindly revalidated the endpoint upon reception
2015-06-11T11:13:20 < mervaka> *facepalm*
2015-06-11T11:13:43 < mervaka> oh yeah
2015-06-11T11:13:47 < mervaka> speaking of flow control
2015-06-11T11:14:09 < mervaka> a colleague of mine has just found that the NXP USB controller is a bit shit at being a host
2015-06-11T11:14:39 < mervaka> if it gets NAKd by its peripheral, it doesn't wait long at all before retrying
2015-06-11T11:14:53 < mervaka> and probably overflows the peripheral
2015-06-11T11:15:32 < mervaka> anyway, back to stm32 land..
2015-06-11T11:16:22 < dongs> zyp, did you see c++11 support level in keil
2015-06-11T11:16:37 < dongs> is it enough to build libZANO
2015-06-11T11:16:44 < dongs> er i mean libZYP
2015-06-11T11:16:49 < mervaka> i'm sending a shedload of MIDI using MIDIOX, 128 note off messages followed by 128 note on messages, each with increasing data1 bytes
2015-06-11T11:17:23 < jpa-> Zano::takeoff(int altitude); Zano::transmit_hd_video();  it's all very simple with libzano!
2015-06-11T11:17:50 < zyp> dongs, idk, I don't depend on any library stuff, so I guess
2015-06-11T11:18:34 < zyp> dongs, but armcc doesn't support gcc-style inline asm
2015-06-11T11:19:02 < dongs> it sorta does, just less gay version
2015-06-11T11:19:10 < dongs> i thought your stuff iddnt have inline asm?
2015-06-11T11:19:29 < zyp> it does, notably the thread context switcher
2015-06-11T11:19:36 < dongs> why is it inline
2015-06-11T11:19:41 < dongs> shouldnt that just be in a .asm file
2015-06-11T11:19:52 < jpa-> because inline requires less assembler :)
2015-06-11T11:20:26 < jpa-> in best case, just    static uint32_t myreg asm("r1");   etc. and no actual instructions
2015-06-11T11:21:12 < zyp> eh, I don't want to waste my time writing a full .asm file when I only need to call a few special instructions and can let the compiler do the rest
2015-06-11T11:21:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vKrk29H.jpg
2015-06-11T11:21:43 < dongs> zyp, that arent covered by cmsis intrinsic shit?
2015-06-11T11:21:49 < dongs> like __setmsp and shit.
2015-06-11T11:21:52 < zyp> most of the places I'm using inline asm could probably be converted to intrinsics, yes
2015-06-11T11:22:05 < dongs> maybe i should try
2015-06-11T11:22:08 < dongs> and submit you a patch
2015-06-11T11:24:51 < dongs> https://youtu.be/gs4pR_DuyeY?t=472 here's libzano code
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2015-06-11T11:26:02 < zyp> mervaka, «increasing data1 bytes» huh?
2015-06-11T11:26:27 < mervaka> as in
2015-06-11T11:26:37 < mervaka> i'm sending midi
2015-06-11T11:26:42 < mervaka> 80 00 00
2015-06-11T11:26:48 < mervaka> up to
2015-06-11T11:26:52 < mervaka> 80 7F 00
2015-06-11T11:26:54 < mervaka> then
2015-06-11T11:26:55 < dongs> z_obtain_zano()
2015-06-11T11:26:59 < mervaka> 90 00 7F
2015-06-11T11:27:01 < mervaka> up to
2015-06-11T11:27:04 < mervaka> 90 7F 7F
2015-06-11T11:27:09 < zyp> oh, right, I thought you meant the usb data toggle
2015-06-11T11:27:10 < mervaka> and repeating
2015-06-11T11:27:26 < mervaka> sorry, i mean data1 in midi terms ;/
2015-06-11T11:27:28 < zyp> usb data packets are called either data0 or data1
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2015-06-11T11:27:32 < mervaka> yeah
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2015-06-11T11:27:57 < zyp> the data toggle is the mechanism to avoid retransmitted packets
2015-06-11T11:28:00 < mervaka> at USB level
2015-06-11T11:28:05 < mervaka> i'm seeing
2015-06-11T11:28:30 < mervaka> DATA0: C3 08 80 54 00 C2 93
2015-06-11T11:28:38 < mervaka> DATA1: 4B 00 00
2015-06-11T11:28:52 < mervaka> that DATA1 packet looks malformed
2015-06-11T11:29:11 < zyp> you're seeing this how?
2015-06-11T11:29:18 < mervaka> using a beagle
2015-06-11T11:29:26 < zyp> oh, right
2015-06-11T11:30:05 < zyp> and these are both supposed to be midi packets?
2015-06-11T11:30:08 < mervaka> i think that malformed packet is confusing my endpoint
2015-06-11T11:30:09 < mervaka> yeah
2015-06-11T11:30:23 < mervaka> next packet is
2015-06-11T11:30:35 < mervaka> DATA0: C3 08 80 55 00 C3 03
2015-06-11T11:30:50 < mervaka> which suggests that there's shit in the middle
2015-06-11T11:31:09 < mervaka> 4B 00 00
2015-06-11T11:31:26 < zyp> hmm, I thought midi were a thinner wrapper, are you sure this is just the data payload?
2015-06-11T11:31:47 < mervaka> in my eyes, that packet shouldn't be there at all
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2015-06-11T11:32:25 < zyp> can I have a copy of the capture file?
2015-06-11T11:32:30 < mervaka> yeah, one sec
2015-06-11T11:32:52 < mervaka> fuck, it's rather large.
2015-06-11T11:33:02 < mervaka> i need to crop it somehow
2015-06-11T11:33:19 < mervaka> i'm not the best user of data center
2015-06-11T11:34:37 < mervaka> got it, i think
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2015-06-11T11:36:21 < mervaka> http://expirebox.com/download/a62ad107632e2ecd7239c96dffe5dbf6.html
2015-06-11T11:37:49 < zyp> heh, my version of data center is apparently to old to open it
2015-06-11T11:37:58 < mervaka> heh
2015-06-11T11:37:59 < zyp> anyway, I have to go for a while, I'll take a look later
2015-06-11T11:38:03 < mervaka> ok cheers
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2015-06-11T12:02:39 < mervaka> as i understand it, there's just a PID and CRC16 in that malformed packet, no data whatsoever
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2015-06-11T12:11:52 < zyp> ah, yep, that's a zero length packet
2015-06-11T12:12:26 < zyp> so just treat it as such
2015-06-11T12:13:51 < zyp> IIRC usb midi can put any number of midi packets into a single usb packet, so just loop through the packets that's in there
2015-06-11T12:14:51 < zyp> and if there's no midi packets in there, just terminate early :p
2015-06-11T12:15:34 < zyp> anyway, I'm out again
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2015-06-11T12:56:34 < Tectu> what's bloggin', dongs?
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2015-06-11T12:59:13 < Ecco> Another question regarding small LCD panels
2015-06-11T12:59:19 < Ecco> What if the backlight is simply off?
2015-06-11T12:59:23 < Ecco> Is it at all readable?
2015-06-11T12:59:52 < Ecco> I remember the GBA SP had a backlight that could be turned off and the display would somewhat still be readable
2015-06-11T13:00:10 < Tectu> Ecco, it depends on the type of display that you're using.
2015-06-11T13:01:04 < Tectu> Ecco, there are transreflective ones that reflect the environmental lightnig in order to give the user a readable output w/o backlight but those are usually for monochrome displays only. Graphic TFT displays won't show anything w/o active backlight
2015-06-11T13:02:40 < Tectu> environmental lightning -> ambient light
2015-06-11T13:02:50 < Tectu> sorry, I'm half drunk. Need to leave, take care!
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2015-06-11T13:07:01 < karlp> it's 10am on a school day, that's some  good drinking effort.
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2015-06-11T13:07:34 < mervaka> sorry zyp missed your return!
2015-06-11T13:07:45 < Ecco> Thanks Tectu
2015-06-11T13:08:08 < mervaka> the issue i'm finding is that the PMA hasn't changed, and the recorded byte count is the same as before, i think
2015-06-11T13:08:14 < mervaka> i'm about to confirm this!
2015-06-11T13:09:02 < mervaka> also, i've put in the descriptor that my buffer size is 4 bytes
2015-06-11T13:09:15 < mervaka> so it can't throw me multiples :)
2015-06-11T13:10:40 < mervaka> wait, i tell a lie. i was looking at the tx byte length. doh
2015-06-11T13:10:55 < mervaka> yes there's a zero length there
2015-06-11T13:11:06 < mervaka> all solvable now i think!
2015-06-11T13:12:42 < Ecco> I keep reading about "soldering filet"
2015-06-11T13:12:45 < Ecco> what's the deal with this?
2015-06-11T13:27:23 < dongs> its the t hing when it reflows.
2015-06-11T13:27:39 < Ecco> how important is it?
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2015-06-11T13:27:46 < Ecco> I mean, what it there isn't a "nice filet"?
2015-06-11T13:28:00 < dongs> then you fucked up applying paste
2015-06-11T13:28:07 < dongs> or you have a via in pad
2015-06-11T13:28:11 < dongs> that ate all the solder
2015-06-11T13:28:11 < Ecco> ok, gotcha
2015-06-11T13:28:25 < Ecco> so that's not a purely aesthetic thing. It can actually mean there's a bad connection
2015-06-11T13:28:34 < dongs> i suppose
2015-06-11T13:28:37 < Ecco> gotcha
2015-06-11T13:28:39 < Ecco> thanks!
2015-06-11T13:29:04 < Ecco> I'm reading the datasheet of a black and white FSTN LCD panel
2015-06-11T13:29:21 < Ecco> It's got like 4 different "power supply" pins
2015-06-11T13:29:48 < Ecco> "VG is the power of SEG-drivers", "V0 is the positive Vop supply of LCD drivers", "VD1 is the power source of digital circuits"
2015-06-11T13:29:52 < Ecco> I don't understand any of those :(
2015-06-11T13:30:02 < dongs> wait till you get a LCD that needs negative supply.
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2015-06-11T13:30:11 < dongs> or other funky trash
2015-06-11T13:30:13 < dongs> bbl bath
2015-06-11T13:30:18 < Ecco> :-)
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2015-06-11T13:31:52 < Ecco> So apparently I'm supposed to provide +16V to that LCD panel
2015-06-11T13:31:53 < Laurenceb> physics trolls at work
2015-06-11T13:31:55 < Laurenceb> https://hackaday.io/project/5596-em-drive/log/19330-original-recordings
2015-06-11T13:31:59 < Ecco> That seems awfully high :(
2015-06-11T13:33:12 < Ecco> Oh apparently that's normal and that's how you set contrast
2015-06-11T13:33:12 < Ecco> Crap
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2015-06-11T13:43:40 < qyx_> Ecco: many lcd controllers have those regulators on-chip
2015-06-11T13:43:53 < Ecco> That would make sense
2015-06-11T13:43:54 < qyx_> they just need caps on the Vxx pins
2015-06-11T13:43:59 < Ecco> Oh
2015-06-11T13:44:15 < qyx_> try to find a reference schematic
2015-06-11T13:44:22 < Ecco> Yeah that would really help
2015-06-11T13:44:28 < Ecco> Would you mind having a look at the datasheet?
2015-06-11T13:44:41 < Ecco> (Either I'm completely dumb or they don't explain a bunch of things :(
2015-06-11T13:46:33 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7532105&cid=49885055
2015-06-11T14:05:30 < dongs> Ecco: what the fuck are you tring to do, bigger picture
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2015-06-11T14:21:13 < Ecco> I'm trying to build my own video game console
2015-06-11T14:21:25 < Ecco> (Just a toy projet, to understand how things are made)
2015-06-11T14:21:37 < Ecco> Right now I'm trying to figure out which display to use
2015-06-11T14:21:56 < Ecco> Color LCDs are much nicer looking, *but* they eat a lot of power
2015-06-11T14:22:07 < Ecco> So I'm considering B&W panels too
2015-06-11T14:22:17 < Ecco> I ordered some samples off of buydisplay.com
2015-06-11T14:25:08 < Ecco> Among them, there's a nice 3.4" B&W panel. Right now I'd like to display something (anything really) on it to see how good (or how bad) it is :-)
2015-06-11T14:25:43 < dongs> using stm32?
2015-06-11T14:26:00 < dongs> have you considered just geting f429-disco
2015-06-11T14:26:07 < dongs> it has a display
2015-06-11T14:26:52 < Ecco> I have one standing on my desk right now :)
2015-06-11T14:26:59 < Ecco> That's what I started with
2015-06-11T14:27:12 < Ecco> (and it is indeed very well suited, that was a good suggestion)
2015-06-11T14:27:15 < dongs> you know you can just generate VGA
2015-06-11T14:27:25 < dongs> with like resistor ladder
2015-06-11T14:27:29 < Ecco> Oh, interesting
2015-06-11T14:27:36 < Ecco> But I should have said "handheld video game console"
2015-06-11T14:27:48 < Ecco> (brb)
2015-06-11T14:30:42 < Ecco> Yeah, so I'm trying to build something like a Game Boy :) Actually, I'm trying to figure out what could be the cheapest "gameboy-like" device one could produce today
2015-06-11T14:31:17 < dongs> http://www.wayengineer.com/development-kit-stm32-board-c-466_50_66.html?pagesize=50&sort=20a
2015-06-11T14:31:28 < dongs> http://www.wayengineer.com/poweravrhy-stm32f103vct6-board32lcd-p-138.html
2015-06-11T14:31:30 < dongs> my favorite
2015-06-11T14:31:47 < Ecco> which one? You linked to a listing :)
2015-06-11T14:31:53 < dongs> the 2nd
2015-06-11T14:32:03 < Ecco> $18?
2015-06-11T14:32:11 < dongs> says $35 here.
2015-06-11T14:32:17 < dongs> http://www.wayengineer.com/poweravrhy-stm32f103vct6-board32lcd-p-138.html
2015-06-11T14:32:25 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-11T14:32:42 < Ecco> That's nice
2015-06-11T14:33:01 < Ecco> I guess it would kill AAA batteries in a couple hours though, wouldn't it?
2015-06-11T14:33:21 < dongs> most likely. thats why you use a lipo.
2015-06-11T14:33:30 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-11T14:33:34 < Ecco> (brb)
2015-06-11T14:33:41 < dongs> bedtime
2015-06-11T14:49:23 < stukdev> what ide do you use with stm32?
2015-06-11T14:52:40 < karlp> stinging nettle beans
2015-06-11T14:53:02 < ReadError> http://www.reddit.com/r/all/
2015-06-11T14:53:03 < ReadError> bahaha
2015-06-11T14:53:11 < ReadError> still
2015-06-11T15:02:59 < Ecco> stukdev: none
2015-06-11T15:03:14 < Ecco> Vim to edit code, Make to build, gdb to debug
2015-06-11T15:04:42 < ReadError> oh my
2015-06-11T15:05:05 < Ecco> why?
2015-06-11T15:05:13 < Ecco> It's been rather efficient so far
2015-06-11T15:06:16 < stukdev> Ecco: ahah yes i want you use that method in a large project
2015-06-11T15:07:18 < Ecco> Why?
2015-06-11T15:07:24 < Ecco> I've worked on large codebase this way before
2015-06-11T15:07:33 < Ecco> (Not on an STM32 though)
2015-06-11T15:09:42 < stukdev> can vim do some operation like refactoring, go to definition, ecc?
2015-06-11T15:10:03 < Ecco> ecc = ?
2015-06-11T15:10:08 < Ecco> go to definition: sure, ctags
2015-06-11T15:10:09 < karlp> you can make it do go to definition with things like id/tags/cscope
2015-06-11T15:10:50 < stukdev> integrate git,svn, diff viewer
2015-06-11T15:10:51 < Ecco> refactoring: well, somehow. Sure it's not Eclipse, but this has never bothered me
2015-06-11T15:11:25 < stukdev> format style, generate documentation
2015-06-11T15:11:47 < BrainDamage> there's a crapload of plugins for vim
2015-06-11T15:12:02 < BrainDamage> howrever, first you have to get used to modal editing :p
2015-06-11T15:14:39 < jpa-> i use kdevelop
2015-06-11T15:15:22 < jpa-> stukdev: i have never seen any IDE generate useful documentation; have you? :P
2015-06-11T15:15:46 < stukdev> jpa-: i mean doxygen generator
2015-06-11T15:15:57 < stukdev> jpa-: some ide have this integrated
2015-06-11T15:16:02 < jpa-> no point integrating that stuff
2015-06-11T15:16:12 < jpa-> harder to automate, harder to fix problems
2015-06-11T15:16:21 < stukdev> harder?
2015-06-11T15:16:27 < jpa-> yes
2015-06-11T15:16:35 < karlp> netbeans will provide stub arg lists and so on if you ctrl-space on a function with no explicit docs
2015-06-11T15:16:38 < ReadError> still no word on the magical ST IDE?
2015-06-11T15:16:39 < stukdev> is  simple caller to the doxyen generator
2015-06-11T15:16:50 < karlp> ReadError: openstm32.org or whatsizt
2015-06-11T15:16:59 < karlp> ReadError: terribly halfarsed badly packaged rip of eclipse
2015-06-11T15:17:04 < ReadError> karlp official st.com ide
2015-06-11T15:17:08 < karlp> that's the one.
2015-06-11T15:17:13 < stukdev> and about em:blocks?
2015-06-11T15:17:20 < jpa-> stukdev: well, if the configuration happens separately, what's the point then?
2015-06-11T15:17:22 < karlp> they had a half arsed badly formed news article about it.
2015-06-11T15:17:38 < jpa-> stukdev: kdevelop just shows makefile targets, if you have target called "doxygen" it just appears on list
2015-06-11T15:17:38 < karlp> stukdev: you're going to have to try them out yourself, see what you like.
2015-06-11T15:17:41 < Roklobsta> are there any kicad libs for stm32?
2015-06-11T15:17:55 < Rickta59> I installed that openstm32.org stuff .. and deleted it .. i never do that .. it was just so bad
2015-06-11T15:18:08 < stukdev> karlp: sure but i want know what are using now'
2015-06-11T15:18:12 < stukdev> ?*
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2015-06-11T15:21:37 < karlp> stukdev: there's people here using just about everything you can think of.
2015-06-11T15:22:24 < karlp> people here are using netbeans, eclipse, qtcreator, emblocks,kdevelop, keil, atollic, crossworks, coos/coocockside, vim that I know of
2015-06-11T15:22:49 < karlp> I'm there's someone using emacs too, and maybe sublime edit even.
2015-06-11T15:22:49 < stukdev> karlp: qtcreator?!?!? for stm32??!? sure?
2015-06-11T15:23:17 < karlp> stukdev: qtcreator has a baremetal plugin, and yes, it's being used for stm32 dev work.
2015-06-11T15:23:29 < stukdev> karlp: wow i don't know this
2015-06-11T15:23:52 < karlp> this is before we even dicuss the different ways people are debugging :)
2015-06-11T15:24:07 < karlp> so, now you see why I suggestedyou may have to try the ones you like for yourself :)
2015-06-11T15:24:23 < Roklobsta> karlp: you forgot code::bollocks
2015-06-11T15:24:26 < karlp> isnt'
2015-06-11T15:24:29 < karlp>  that the same as emblocks?
2015-06-11T15:24:43 < BrainDamage> yes
2015-06-11T15:26:35 < stukdev> and visual studio :P
2015-06-11T15:26:59 < karlp> not aware of anyone (yet) using visual studio, but some are using the visualgdb thingy
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2015-06-11T15:54:33 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P9k8_uA5Xjg
2015-06-11T15:55:43 < karlp> that looks like just a proto of the disco board...
2015-06-11T15:56:09 < Laurenceb> wonder if it would run taulabs ground control
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2015-06-11T16:12:46 < stukdev> anyway coocox is a shit!
2015-06-11T16:12:54 < stukdev> the bad ide i ever use
2015-06-11T16:14:08 < Laurenceb> evil ide
2015-06-11T16:14:26 < Laurenceb> with added harold shipman
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2015-06-11T16:24:45 < dirty_d> hmm, i've got the PWM with complementary output dead time set up now, I realize I want overlap instead of dead time, whats the easiest way to do that?
2015-06-11T16:28:14 < jpa-> invert both of the outputs?
2015-06-11T16:33:13  * jadew is using Visual Studio with the VisualGDB plugin
2015-06-11T16:33:20 < jadew> not free tho
2015-06-11T16:33:20 < dirty_d> hmm yea that would work, i thought about taht but for some reason in my head it looked just like the opposite but still with dead time
2015-06-11T16:33:26 < jadew> but totally worth it
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2015-06-11T16:56:07 < karlp> heh, go britain: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/11/british-national-bird-robin-murderous-bully
2015-06-11T16:57:15 < karlp> jadew: wht compiler toolchain do you use with visualstudio then? or does visualgdb handle that for you? and do you then have .sln files for building?
2015-06-11T16:57:36 < jadew> karlp, visualgdb handles it for you
2015-06-11T16:58:03 < jadew> you can download sevearl toolchains with it and when you create the project you just pick the one you need
2015-06-11T16:58:09 < jadew> it's very nicely made
2015-06-11T16:59:41 < karlp> how do you any automated builds?
2015-06-11T17:00:01 < jadew> what do you mean by automated builds?
2015-06-11T17:00:19 < jadew> like, outside of VS?
2015-06-11T17:00:22 < karlp> like, not me sitting in front of a visualstudio window.
2015-06-11T17:00:24 < karlp> yeah
2015-06-11T17:00:40 < jadew> I never needed that, but I believe it's generating a makefile
2015-06-11T17:01:12 < jadew> I'm not 100% sure, but it would make sense
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2015-06-11T18:30:42 < Ecco> http://media.lelombrik.net/t/cc1267a4c9cce097a9b9ad0d87fcb457/p/01.jpg
2015-06-11T18:31:13 < jadew> haha
2015-06-11T18:31:16 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-11T18:31:17 < jadew> nice one
2015-06-11T18:31:32  * karlp grins
2015-06-11T18:32:28 < jadew> do you guys have any idea on how to detect sensor imperfections?
2015-06-11T18:32:41 < Ecco> uh, that's a vague question
2015-06-11T18:32:42 < jadew> video
2015-06-11T18:32:48 < jadew> video sensor imperfections
2015-06-11T18:33:11 < Ecco> Record a "known" pattern?
2015-06-11T18:33:21 < Ecco> It depends on what kind of imperfection you're looking for really
2015-06-11T18:33:25 < Ecco> Lens distortion?
2015-06-11T18:33:30 < Ecco> Chromatic aberration?
2015-06-11T18:33:38 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/R6fl2.png
2015-06-11T18:33:40 < Ecco> Dead pixels?
2015-06-11T18:33:50 < jadew> I'm not 100% they're dead
2015-06-11T18:33:59 < Ecco> Well, at this point it looks like noise…
2015-06-11T18:34:01 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceZVodc6iI0 lulz
2015-06-11T18:34:11 < jadew> Ecco, it stays in the same place :P
2015-06-11T18:34:22 < Ecco> it = the white dots?
2015-06-11T18:34:25 < dongs> jadew: its radiation from japan
2015-06-11T18:34:27 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-11T18:34:39 < dongs> grab a geiger counter
2015-06-11T18:34:40 < jadew> dongs, I'm shielded
2015-06-11T18:34:40 < Ecco> Honestly, I have no idea
2015-06-11T18:34:51 < dongs> oh, sickthermal
2015-06-11T18:34:58 < dongs> is that thier app? or youre haxing somethign
2015-06-11T18:35:02 < jadew> the issue I'm having is detecting that noise
2015-06-11T18:35:08 < jadew> I'm haxing something
2015-06-11T18:35:34 < dongs> jadew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-field_correction
2015-06-11T18:36:07 < jadew> thanks
2015-06-11T18:37:40 < jadew> awesome
2015-06-11T18:38:07 < jadew> will give it a try, it's sending a few special frames after you initialize it, I bet they play a role in this
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2015-06-11T18:40:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbmXq9Ct_ns
2015-06-11T18:41:37 < dongs> fucking lol'd
2015-06-11T18:41:42 < dongs> jadew: yes, most likely its sending calibration frame
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2015-06-11T18:42:03 < jadew> dongs, it's already sending a calibration frame every few seconds
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2015-06-11T18:42:31 < jadew> it blanks the sensor with something and takes a frame
2015-06-11T18:42:41 < jadew> but that doesn't seem to be enough
2015-06-11T18:42:51 < dongs> microbolometer based stuff does this
2015-06-11T18:42:55 < dongs> closes a shutter and calibrates
2015-06-11T18:42:59 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-11T18:43:00 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/ElScL.png
2015-06-11T18:43:03 < jadew> this is what I have so far
2015-06-11T18:43:03 < dongs> i duno if suckthermal is same or not
2015-06-11T18:43:09 < jadew> it is
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2015-06-11T18:48:26 < dongs> time to check zano news
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2015-06-11T18:49:37 < dongs> silence as usual
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2015-06-11T18:54:13 < dongs> and the traction control using sound waves such creative genius lol.....I think everyone will soon find out when they start to arrive but this amazing drone will be based upon mobile phone control, capture and uploading so it is not going to keep up with the larger drones that have under-slung cameras or even Bebop types.
2015-06-11T18:54:54 < dongs> just retarded ESL posters on forum
2015-06-11T18:55:12 < dongs> im actually curious where the fuck these people found money to pay for thi sshit
2015-06-11T18:55:25 < dongs> they have a bunch of bakers from south east asia, etc
2015-06-11T18:55:35 < dongs> they cant afford 160gbp thats like 3 months salary
2015-06-11T18:56:08 < dongs> Please showcase follow up in combination with obstacle avoidance.
2015-06-11T18:56:09 < dongs> Actual cammera footage - before and after digital stabilization - would be also quite important.
2015-06-11T18:56:11 < dongs> People are waiting to see those to order...
2015-06-11T18:56:42 < _Sync_> > digital stabi
2015-06-11T18:56:48 < dongs> the "HPC"
2015-06-11T18:56:50 < _Sync_> dem black edges
2015-06-11T18:57:00 < dongs> thats costin them 2kgbp/month
2015-06-11T18:57:02 < dongs> in power bill
2015-06-11T18:57:10 < dongs> i should lookup how much electricty costs in  wales
2015-06-11T18:57:15 < dongs> and calculate how many kwh they're burning
2015-06-11T18:57:23 < dongs> maybe reedman is mining buttcoin 24/7
2015-06-11T18:57:30 < dongs> and the whole z ano thing is jsut a scam to buy a bunch of miners
2015-06-11T18:57:53 < _Sync_> HPC?
2015-06-11T18:58:07 < dongs> zano supercomputer cluster
2015-06-11T18:58:10 < _Sync_> wat
2015-06-11T18:58:18 < dongs> http://noflyzano.com/no.pdf ctrl+f for HPC
2015-06-11T18:58:37 < Laurenceb> lol digital stabilisation
2015-06-11T18:58:39 < Laurenceb> on pic32
2015-06-11T18:58:45 < trepidaciousMBR2> How does the obstacle avoidance work, at least in general?
2015-06-11T18:58:54 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR2: IR leds + receiversr
2015-06-11T18:59:01 < Laurenceb> page 1 or 162
2015-06-11T18:59:01 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-06-11T18:59:13 < dongs> shit bounces back, it measures distance
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2015-06-11T18:59:25 < trepidaciousMBR2> dongs: I was looking at the ST time of flight sensor thingies and thinking they might work
2015-06-11T18:59:35 < trepidaciousMBR2> but unless they are using those, it won't be measuring distance
2015-06-11T19:00:02 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR2: it measures something, whatever the fuck it is.
2015-06-11T19:00:08 < Laurenceb> those dont like >256mm
2015-06-11T19:00:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1shH5EWyETI
2015-06-11T19:00:38 < dongs> https://tkkrlab.nl/wiki/Arduino_KY-032_Obstacle_avoidance_sensor_module
2015-06-11T19:01:19 < Laurenceb> lorf   "@FCC"
2015-06-11T19:01:25 < Laurenceb> epic trollage
2015-06-11T19:01:28 < dongs> Laurenceb: ^_^
2015-06-11T19:01:57 < trepidaciousMBR2> just some kind of quantity tht is vaguely related to distance, assuming it's distance to a perfectly reflecting diffuse object maybe ;)
2015-06-11T19:02:32 < trepidaciousMBR2> Laurenceb: I guess as long as 256mm is far enough to stop your quad that would be enough ;)
2015-06-11T19:02:55 < Laurenceb> also its like ~30hz update
2015-06-11T19:03:26 < dongs> ok
2015-06-11T19:03:27 < dongs> fond
2015-06-11T19:03:28 < dongs> found
2015-06-11T19:03:36 < dongs> 10.810p per kWh
2015-06-11T19:03:36 < trepidaciousMBR2> That seems quite good, not that I've ever made a quadrocopter obstacle avoidance system :)
2015-06-11T19:03:37 < dongs> (11.350p inc. VAT)
2015-06-11T19:03:46 < _Sync_> dongs: 15.13pence per kwh
2015-06-11T19:03:49 < dongs> yeah seems
2015-06-11T19:03:52 < dongs> around there.
2015-06-11T19:03:57 < dongs> let's say they've got a nice rate
2015-06-11T19:03:59 < dongs> cuz they're using a lot.
2015-06-11T19:04:11 < dongs> how many pence is in 1gbp? 100 right
2015-06-11T19:04:25 < dongs> or is it some fuckedup number
2015-06-11T19:04:32 < Laurenceb> 100
2015-06-11T19:04:33 < _Sync_> 100
2015-06-11T19:04:38 < _Sync_> it used to be 240
2015-06-11T19:04:42 < Lux> dongs: that's just leds + a comparator
2015-06-11T19:04:48 < Lux> i got one of those
2015-06-11T19:05:12 < Lux> or a ir led + ir sensitive phototransistor
2015-06-11T19:05:20 < _Sync_> dongs: they consume around 10kW
2015-06-11T19:05:54 < _Sync_> the fuck are they doing, to build a cluster that runs them 10kW idling needs some srs power
2015-06-11T19:05:57 < dongs> so 2000/month = 200k pence, lets say tehy're paying 15p, so ~15kWh
2015-06-11T19:06:03 < Lux> iirc it was pretty sensitive to light etc
2015-06-11T19:06:21 < dongs> lux, of course
2015-06-11T19:06:23 < dongs> because IR
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2015-06-11T19:06:34 < dongs> and surface reflection etc.
2015-06-11T19:06:42 < Laurenceb> what needs 10kW  ?
2015-06-11T19:06:43 < Lux> yeah, you need some sort of modulation to cope with that
2015-06-11T19:06:49 < dongs> Lux: buttcoin miners
2015-06-11T19:06:51 < dongs> err Laurenceb ^
2015-06-11T19:06:54 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-06-11T19:07:01 < dongs> its the only thing zano could be doing
2015-06-11T19:07:09 < Laurenceb> ir receivers already include dir demod
2015-06-11T19:07:12 < dongs> makes no sense to evne own this kinda infrastructure
2015-06-11T19:07:13 < Laurenceb> *ir
2015-06-11T19:07:16 < dongs> you can just rent from AWS
2015-06-11T19:07:23 < dongs> until you fucking need to spend 15kWh on site
2015-06-11T19:07:25 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-11T19:07:30 < dongs> which is like when everyone and their mother has a zano
2015-06-11T19:07:37 < dongs> and they're all simulatneously uploading shitty shaky video
2015-06-11T19:07:43 < trepidaciousMBR2> This is for the online digital stabilisation stuff?
2015-06-11T19:07:47 < dongs> yes
2015-06-11T19:07:50 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2015-06-11T19:07:57 < Laurenceb> their stab will be online
2015-06-11T19:08:06 < trepidaciousMBR2> I would have thought they could just release an app for it
2015-06-11T19:08:16 < Laurenceb> http://www.tasteofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Troll-2-Oh-My-God.jpg
2015-06-11T19:08:18 < dongs> Laurenceb: they  will upload MJPEG to their HPC and stabilize it
2015-06-11T19:08:19 < trepidaciousMBR2> Myabe their algorithm is so secret they need to keep it on their servers :)
2015-06-11T19:08:46 < Laurenceb> imagine the lag....
2015-06-11T19:08:56 < dongs> imagine your cellphone data bill....
2015-06-11T19:09:04 < dongs> THANKS, ZANO
2015-06-11T19:09:10 < dongs> next they're gonna announce they're becoming a mobile data mvno
2015-06-11T19:09:16 < dongs> so you can get a zano sim
2015-06-11T19:09:33 < Laurenceb> most phones have proper graphics hardware
2015-06-11T19:09:37 < _Sync_> pushing dat MJPEG over their 4Mbyte sponsor M2M sim
2015-06-11T19:09:39 < Laurenceb> 2D compositor isnt hard
2015-06-11T19:09:50 < _Sync_> I wonder that they do not have 3d on it
2015-06-11T19:10:31 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/wiki/index.php/File:Zanoblk_diax600new.jpg
2015-06-11T19:11:05 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-11T19:11:16 < Laurenceb> like the codez for all that shit will ever get written
2015-06-11T19:11:39 < Laurenceb> sonar wtf
2015-06-11T19:11:42 < Laurenceb> make your mind up
2015-06-11T19:11:47 < dongs> it has sonar too
2015-06-11T19:11:56 < dongs> it has everything
2015-06-11T19:12:03 < Laurenceb> next they will put a synthetic aperture radar on it
2015-06-11T19:12:04 < dongs> this will be the most sophisticated 60gram drone evar
2015-06-11T19:12:11 < Laurenceb> uv leds...
2015-06-11T19:12:16 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2015-06-11T19:12:16 < dongs> ya
2015-06-11T19:12:18 < dongs> for glow in the dark case
2015-06-11T19:12:27 < dongs> it will light it up.
2015-06-11T19:12:38 < dongs> page 40 in pdf.
2015-06-11T19:12:45 < BrainDamage> do they roll their own mesh network code too since they are there?
2015-06-11T19:12:50 < dongs> yes
2015-06-11T19:13:03 < Laurenceb> this is going to fail so hard
2015-06-11T19:13:13 < dongs> Laurenceb: they've got ~18 days to fail it
2015-06-11T19:13:24 < Laurenceb> spotted first fail
2015-06-11T19:13:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.torquinggroup.com/wiki/index.php/File:Zano_White_large.jpg
2015-06-11T19:13:27 < dongs> this neesd ~18 months of development with proper hardware
2015-06-11T19:13:30 < Laurenceb> no ESD on the GPS
2015-06-11T19:13:37 < Laurenceb> that will get fried in no time
2015-06-11T19:13:49 < Laurenceb> first time someone touches the top
2015-06-11T19:13:56 < dongs> gps not working is the least of their problems
2015-06-11T19:14:18 < dongs> them china motors with ~5 hours mtbf
2015-06-11T19:14:22 < Laurenceb> I always wrap GPS ants in antistatic bag material
2015-06-11T19:14:31 < Laurenceb> after frying several
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2015-06-11T19:21:55 < _Sync_> > uv leds
2015-06-11T19:22:04 < _Sync_> to make all the cum stains visible or wat
2015-06-11T19:22:49 < _Sync_> or the pcb snapping
2015-06-11T19:25:20 < dongs> to make the glow in the dark case light up
2015-06-11T19:26:04 < BrainDamage> they should use uvc leds
2015-06-11T19:26:07 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-06-11T19:26:11 < Laurenceb> cumcopter
2015-06-11T19:26:17 < BrainDamage> so you could say that zano literally gives you cancer
2015-06-11T19:26:39 < Laurenceb> with computer vision fapperfinder
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2015-06-11T19:31:55 < Laurenceb>  a cumcopter
2015-06-11T19:33:36 < _Sync_> with the cumcloud cumputer vision system
2015-06-11T19:35:53 < Laurenceb> use the audio to shout at people with stains
2015-06-11T19:36:25 < dongs> and a microphone so you can record motor noise
2015-06-11T19:36:31 < Getty> cumcopter? that sounds messy
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2015-06-11T19:39:24 < Laurenceb> multiple meatspin rotors
2015-06-11T19:39:34 < dongs> haha, spin.gif motors
2015-06-11T19:39:49 < Laurenceb> needs shopping onto zano
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2015-06-11T19:42:49 < dongs> i beter goto sleep
2015-06-11T19:42:58 < Getty> do the zano dance \o\ /o/
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2015-06-11T20:46:10 < karlp> PaulFertser: this means war! http://www.ruv.is/node/910159
2015-06-11T20:47:28 < DanteA> What? English please.
2015-06-11T20:48:40 < karlp> google translate works well enough.  (russian ship "rammed" our coast guard boats trying to leave the harbour)
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2015-06-11T20:50:17 < DanteA> Not from phone.
2015-06-11T20:51:32 < DanteA> I think, there is no such fools for start the war even in Russia.
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2015-06-11T20:53:26 < dirty_d> lol "pregnancy was pretty great, so the patrol vessel leaned up to the dock."
2015-06-11T20:53:29 < dirty_d> good job google
2015-06-11T20:57:24 < karlp> heh, hadn't noticed that one.
2015-06-11T20:57:35 < karlp> that's indeed odd.
2015-06-11T20:58:04 < karlp> the word normally means heavy, not pregant,
2015-06-11T20:58:30 < karlp> calling pregant women "heavy", "un fresh", "un light (weight)" are all wonderful icelandic words.
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2015-06-11T22:31:23 < PaulFertser> karlp: that action seems to be utterly stupid, what that damn ship was trying to achieve even? Pure stupidity IMHO.
2015-06-11T22:38:41 < qyx_> Myndband ekki tiltækt :(
2015-06-11T22:40:53 < karlp> PaulFertser: it's a teaching ship, can't get too upset I guess, just rather amusing :)
2015-06-11T22:42:23 < karlp> though, I'm not 100% sure I understand the teaching involved in cruising around socially in mid war steel hulled sailing ships
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2015-06-11T23:36:57 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4QkgUwSSj0 musicspam
2015-06-11T23:37:22 < kakimir> 80's
2015-06-11T23:41:16 < kakimir> what happend to this epic musics
2015-06-11T23:41:27 < kakimir> now just nicki minaj
2015-06-11T23:42:12 < kakimir> eminem
2015-06-11T23:43:48 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-06-11T23:44:17 < kakimir> classy to trashy
2015-06-11T23:46:58  * Laurenceb_ is listening to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BAm
2015-06-11T23:47:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK-TFdYtx-Y
2015-06-11T23:51:36 < kakimir> anyone here have ultrasonic cleaner?
2015-06-11T23:52:04  * karlp never would have thought of Laurenceb_ listening to múm
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2015-06-11T23:52:42 < kakimir> isladisk bands with weird names and weird musics
2015-06-11T23:52:49 < kakimir> total seller
2015-06-11T23:56:44 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnAwPeqrdAk sigur rôs
2015-06-11T23:57:45 < kakimir> don't really like it
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2015-06-12T00:30:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUlaGXDeSik that funny feeling when guided missle hits rotor assembly
2015-06-12T00:31:01 < kakimir> *missile
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2015-06-12T00:36:00 < Laurenceb_> wow that was low
2015-06-12T00:37:08 < kakimir> what is ukraine conflict about?
2015-06-12T00:37:14 < kakimir> just for fun?
2015-06-12T00:41:17 < Laurenceb_> I'm perplexed myself
2015-06-12T00:41:32 < Laurenceb_> maybe anti putin thing
2015-06-12T00:42:02 < Laurenceb_> EU doesnt seem to like putin
2015-06-12T00:42:05 < kakimir> game is so deep players don't know themselfs
2015-06-12T00:42:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2015-06-12T00:42:27 < Laurenceb_> same with assed... and look where that ended up
2015-06-12T00:42:28 < kakimir> nobody has integrity
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2015-06-12T00:42:52 < Laurenceb_> EU anti assad bullshit and we ended up with ISIS
2015-06-12T00:43:21 < Laurenceb_> then before that there was Iraq WMD bullshit...
2015-06-12T00:43:31 < kakimir> I bet whole thing is orchestrated by weapon sellers
2015-06-12T00:43:45 < kakimir> they have integrity
2015-06-12T00:44:00 < kakimir> they gain
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2015-06-12T00:44:53 < kakimir> they don't need to deal with shit
2015-06-12T00:50:11 < kakimir> what I really think is that there was a mistake and now it's all awkward and nobody knows how to leave situation
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2015-06-12T00:57:42 < kakimir> there is now chance of west and east really face each other.. in good or bad
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2015-06-12T01:13:33 < kakimir> do you concider being through with writing registers with supposedly default values with default bits by user as stupid or bad?
2015-06-12T01:20:55 < upgrdman_> i just reset the peripheral to ensure bits are as expected.
2015-06-12T01:22:04 < karlp> doh, screwed my phone all back together again, left out some of the bit sof kapton tape
2015-06-12T01:22:10 < karlp> who neds that shit?
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2015-06-12T01:28:32 < kakimir> why you opened your phone?
2015-06-12T01:40:38 < karlp> power button is really flaky
2015-06-12T01:40:55 < karlp> can't see anything obviously wrong with it, put some alcohol on it, cleaned what I could see, put it together again
2015-06-12T01:40:58 < karlp> damn fiddly.
2015-06-12T01:41:14 < karlp> button seems a bit better maybe, but that might just be because I have to feel my time was well spent :)
2015-06-12T01:41:22 < jadew> poor solder joint?
2015-06-12T01:41:28 < jadew> I had that on a tablet
2015-06-12T01:42:09 < karlp> jadew: it must have the contacts undernath, the only exposed bits I could see were solid enough, couldn't find anything with the meter that changed with the button pressed or not
2015-06-12T01:42:12  * karlp shrugs
2015-06-12T01:42:23 < karlp> it's a known problem with htc one s, thought I'd have a go at it at least.
2015-06-12T01:42:37 < jadew> should have put a scope on it ;)
2015-06-12T01:42:49 < jadew> maybe it's bouncing?
2015-06-12T01:43:06 < karlp> probably is.
2015-06-12T01:43:33 < karlp> oh well. learnt a bit, bought more tools, can't be all bad :)
2015-06-12T01:43:40 < jadew> heh
2015-06-12T01:43:55 < jadew> man... this thermal thing is pissing me off
2015-06-12T01:44:06 < jadew> I don't know how to detect that fixed pattern noise
2015-06-12T01:44:13 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/sFMiu.png
2015-06-12T01:44:45 < jadew> I subtract the calibration frame from the incomming frame and that's what I get
2015-06-12T01:45:19 < jadew> I even tried some flat field correction, as dongs suggested, but I either didn't do it right or that's not the issue
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2015-06-12T01:46:42 < jadew> the image generated by their application doesn't have that noise
2015-06-12T01:55:03 < kakimir> can you recommend chinese usb microscope?
2015-06-12T01:57:13 < jadew> the good ones are too expensive
2015-06-12T01:57:23 < jadew> you're better off getting an optical one
2015-06-12T01:57:43 < jadew> (if you have the room for it)
2015-06-12T01:57:44 < kakimir> how much too expensive?
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2015-06-12T01:58:03 < jadew> kakimir, like 200 USD and it's still weird to work with
2015-06-12T01:58:20 < kakimir> ok too much for not 5/5 product
2015-06-12T01:58:25 < kakimir> would pay 10usd
2015-06-12T01:58:39 < jadew> you can get some really cheap optical ones that would help you a great deal
2015-06-12T02:01:04 < jadew> look for something like this: http://www.amazon.com/AmScope-SE400X-Professional-Microscope-Magnification/dp/B0056X4RRS/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&qid=1434063575&sr=8-22&keywords=amscope
2015-06-12T02:01:09 < jadew> I think you can find them cheaper
2015-06-12T02:01:18 < jadew> for closer to $100
2015-06-12T02:02:16 < upgrdman_> jadew, is the image autoexposed? if so, subtracting a fixed noise pattern from an AGC signal might not look right
2015-06-12T02:02:49 < jadew> upgrdman, I don't think it's autoexposed
2015-06-12T02:03:14 < upgrdman_> k
2015-06-12T02:03:33 < jadew> the resulting image looks right, except for that fixed pattern noise
2015-06-12T02:06:07 < jadew> kakimir, I was interested in USB microscopes too
2015-06-12T02:06:12 < jadew> the reality is that they suck
2015-06-12T02:06:30 < jadew> and they'll never compare to an optical one
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2015-06-12T02:07:55 < kakimir> optical one + camera heads
2015-06-12T02:07:59 < kakimir> how about that?
2015-06-12T02:08:01 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-12T02:08:05 < jadew> that works great
2015-06-12T02:08:52 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/mi.jpg
2015-06-12T02:09:52 < englishman> last quote i got for a trinocular microscope and decent camera was like $600
2015-06-12T02:10:01 < englishman> which i thought was ok if even cheap
2015-06-12T02:10:12 < jadew> englishman, about how much I paid for mine
2015-06-12T02:10:20 < englishman> cool :)
2015-06-12T02:10:23 < englishman> that pic is nice
2015-06-12T02:10:23 < jadew> but the "decent" cameras they come with are not always decent
2015-06-12T02:10:38 < jadew> actually I heard they're pretty bad
2015-06-12T02:10:46 < jadew> so you're better off getting an adapter for a DSLR
2015-06-12T02:10:58 < englishman> ohhhh jeez i forget these exist sometimes
2015-06-12T02:11:05 < englishman> and that micro 4/3 are like $400
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2015-06-12T02:17:43 < jadew> it helps if you already have one
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2015-06-12T02:49:30 < emeb> latest bit of idiocy: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32f042breakout/index.html
2015-06-12T02:49:59 < arko> anyone here know of an easy to convert an IAR or keil project into a makefile for arm gcc?
2015-06-12T02:50:59 < arko> i know it sounds a bit silly but this stm32 example code is an include/library cluster fck
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2015-06-12T02:51:12 < englishman> jadew: where did you get yours? in canada we have microscopenet.com they seem to have good selection
2015-06-12T02:51:36 < jadew> englishman, I got it directly from the factory: http://yydag.com/
2015-06-12T02:51:53 < jadew> they're the OEM for AmScope
2015-06-12T02:52:03 < jadew> but it might be cheaper for you to get it from CA
2015-06-12T02:52:07 < englishman> cool
2015-06-12T02:52:31 < englishman> cn->ca shipping is often faster and cheaper than us->ca shipping :x
2015-06-12T02:52:34 < jadew> for me it made more sense to get it from china because shipping was more affordable
2015-06-12T02:52:49 < arko> lol
2015-06-12T02:52:55 < arko> you guys using amscope too?
2015-06-12T02:53:12 < jadew> yydag :P
2015-06-12T02:53:41 < jadew> they seem to be rebranded under a few more other names
2015-06-12T02:54:17 < englishman> the price difference between commercial telescopes and china oem ones astounded me
2015-06-12T02:54:31 < arko> heh
2015-06-12T02:54:35 < englishman> will likely pick up a 10" dob
2015-06-12T02:54:40 < arko> our hackerspace and conference use them
2015-06-12T02:54:55 < arko> heck it's my goto scope at home
2015-06-12T02:55:08 < arko> great for the price
2015-06-12T02:56:10 < jadew> englishman, the price from yydag will obviously be better, but shipping was quite expensive, they suggested I used my own freight account, but since I didn't have one they used TNT
2015-06-12T02:56:32 < englishman> yeah self importing sucks
2015-06-12T02:56:52 < jadew> yep, still a great experience
2015-06-12T02:57:00 < jadew> they person I dealt with was really nice
2015-06-12T02:57:16 < englishman> so you suggest trinocular with "real" camera fitting
2015-06-12T02:57:24 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-12T02:57:32 < englishman> what did you get exactly?
2015-06-12T02:57:51 < jadew> when you use the camera port you won't be able to use the left eyepiece tho
2015-06-12T02:58:18 < jadew> I got this head: http://yydag.com/en/products_show.asp?pid=242
2015-06-12T02:58:24 < englishman> so not really trinocular?
2015-06-12T02:58:51 < jadew> yeah, I think it's quite common tho
2015-06-12T02:58:53 < englishman> thats a minor thing i suppose
2015-06-12T02:58:53 < englishman> yeah
2015-06-12T02:58:57 < arko> anyone messed with the stm32f4 discovery base board?
2015-06-12T02:58:57 < jadew> this stand: http://yydag.com/en/products_show.asp?pid=278
2015-06-12T02:59:20 < jadew> 0.5X auxiliary lens
2015-06-12T02:59:23 < jadew> 2X auxiliary lens
2015-06-12T02:59:35 < jadew> extra 20X eyepieces
2015-06-12T02:59:41 < jadew> 56 LED ring light
2015-06-12T02:59:47 < jadew> and the camera adapter
2015-06-12T03:00:48 < jadew> the camera fiting is tricky tho
2015-06-12T03:01:33 < jadew> the first one I got didn't work well with my camera and got another one (they offered to send a proper one for free, but I still had to pay for postage so I refused)
2015-06-12T03:02:45 < jadew> if it's not 100% made for that scope and your camera it will be a bit hard to get both the camera and the eyepieces in focus at the same time
2015-06-12T03:03:01 < jadew> so that's something to be aware of
2015-06-12T03:04:01 < jadew> on the other hand, I found that when I use the camera, I use just the camera anyway because it's for documentation purposes
2015-06-12T03:04:22 < jadew> but it's obviously a plus if you can just switch to the camera port and take a photo
2015-06-12T03:04:50 < englishman> yeah so can use monocular
2015-06-12T03:04:53 < englishman> if camera is good enough
2015-06-12T03:04:58 < upgrdman_> anyone here know vhdl? ##fpga and ##vhdl are quiet
2015-06-12T03:05:13 < upgrdman_> is := only used for specifying the reset value of a signal?
2015-06-12T03:05:21 < englishman> then you cant really work under it but hm
2015-06-12T03:05:33 < englishman> no? := is assignment
2015-06-12T03:05:48 < upgrdman_> then what about <= for assignment?
2015-06-12T03:05:54 < jadew> englishman, well, you can still use both eyepieces and just switch to the camera port when you want to take a photo
2015-06-12T03:06:13 < jadew> even so, it's awesome to work under it
2015-06-12T03:06:27 < englishman> yeah should get tri
2015-06-12T03:06:30 < jadew> I don't use the camera port that much anyway
2015-06-12T03:06:32 < englishman> upgrdman_: there is a difference
2015-06-12T03:06:55 < jadew> it's just amazing the things you can do under a microscope
2015-06-12T03:07:08 < jadew> it's like getting super power
2015-06-12T03:07:12 < jadew> *powers
2015-06-12T03:07:38 < upgrdman_> englishman, i would be so happy if you could elaborate :)
2015-06-12T03:07:59 < jadew> upgrdman_ <= is paralel assignment
2015-06-12T03:08:10 < jadew> I don't know vhdl, but I suspect that := is sequential
2015-06-12T03:08:22 < englishman> "immediate" assignemnt is how i learned it
2015-06-12T03:08:55 < upgrdman_> ok. so VHDL's := is like Verilog =      and VHDL's <= is like Verilog's <=               ?
2015-06-12T03:09:10 < jadew> would make sense
2015-06-12T03:09:12 < englishman> dono any verilog
2015-06-12T03:09:55 < englishman> jadew: thanks for stuff
2015-06-12T03:15:20 < jadew> np
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2015-06-12T04:23:37 < dongs> sup
2015-06-12T04:24:03 < DanteA> port
2015-06-12T04:24:46  * jadew failed to get a decent picture from the seekthermal
2015-06-12T04:25:02 < jadew> I don't think I'm using the calibration frames properly
2015-06-12T04:25:18 < dongs> sux
2015-06-12T04:25:21 < dongs> decompile thier arpp?
2015-06-12T04:25:23 < dongs> er app
2015-06-12T04:25:25 < dongs> and see wat t does
2015-06-12T04:25:34 < jadew> too much trouble
2015-06-12T04:25:41 < dongs> i duno
2015-06-12T04:25:54 < jadew> I already went to a lot of trouble to sniff the USB traffic
2015-06-12T04:26:02 < jadew> and that only worked to a point
2015-06-12T04:27:34 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/4wRPM.png
2015-06-12T04:27:38 < jadew> notice the white dots
2015-06-12T04:27:56 < dongs> ya?
2015-06-12T04:27:59 < jadew> their application doesn't suffer from this and it appears that they get rid of them progressively
2015-06-12T04:28:25 < jadew> it starts bad and after a few calibration frames they're gone
2015-06-12T04:29:35 < jadew> I guess I'll just have to wait until they release their SDK
2015-06-12T04:30:38 < dongs> why dont you use that algorithm to blog them out
2015-06-12T04:30:42 < dongs> they're static right??
2015-06-12T04:30:56 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-12T04:31:11 < jadew> which algorithm?
2015-06-12T04:31:16 < dongs> the kikepedia thing
2015-06-12T04:31:27 < dongs> to cancel out repeated noise
2015-06-12T04:31:28 < jadew> ah, I tried that
2015-06-12T04:31:46 < jadew> wait, I didn't try that one
2015-06-12T04:31:53 < jadew> what's it called?
2015-06-12T04:32:08 < dongs> < dongs> jadew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-field_correction
2015-06-12T04:32:16 < jadew> ah, yeah, I tried that
2015-06-12T04:32:18 < jadew> didn't work
2015-06-12T04:32:32 < jadew> or I didn't do it properly
2015-06-12T04:33:54 < dongs> i think in teh simplest form you can jsut take calibration frame and subtract it from every following frame
2015-06-12T04:34:07 < jadew> that's what I'm doing currently
2015-06-12T04:34:16 < dongs> and that doenst work?
2015-06-12T04:34:31 < jadew> it does, what I posted is the result of doing that
2015-06-12T04:35:06 < jadew> the image is worse with out subtracting the calibration frame
2015-06-12T04:35:24 < jadew> what I find weird is that it sends two frames
2015-06-12T04:35:29 < jadew> one before the shutter
2015-06-12T04:35:33 < jadew> and one after the shutter
2015-06-12T04:35:53 < jadew> both "blank"
2015-06-12T04:36:14 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-12T04:36:19 < jadew> what's weird is that they both looks similar and that the difference between them doesn't add up to that noise I'm seeing
2015-06-12T04:37:30 < dongs> read up patents dude. this stuff is overed everywhere
2015-06-12T04:37:36 < dongs> the shutter stuff is done for a reason
2015-06-12T04:37:56 < dongs> the shutter thing is also to do with temperature compensation
2015-06-12T04:38:03 < jadew> yeah, I figured
2015-06-12T04:38:11 < jadew> but I couldn't figure out the reason :)
2015-06-12T04:38:24 < jadew> nah, I already spent too much time on this
2015-06-12T04:38:34 < dongs> give up and install LUNIX
2015-06-12T04:38:45 < jadew> I'll just wait for them to release the SDK
2015-06-12T04:39:21 < dongs> youre not an explorer
2015-06-12T04:39:24 < dongs> i would just decompile their shit
2015-06-12T04:39:28 < dongs> what platforms do they have stuff for?
2015-06-12T04:39:30 < dongs> got something for windows?
2015-06-12T04:39:33 < dongs> or just assdroidtrash
2015-06-12T04:39:34 < jadew> android
2015-06-12T04:39:53 < jadew> I don't have enough motivation
2015-06-12T04:40:16 < jadew> I figured it would be easier to make something that does interpolation so I can get better resolution
2015-06-12T04:40:20 < jadew> but screw this...
2015-06-12T04:44:16 < dongs> quitter
2015-06-12T04:44:39 < jadew> well, at least I got something out of it and it looks okish
2015-06-12T04:44:53 < jadew> which is good, because it doesn't work on my wife's phone anymore
2015-06-12T04:45:39 < jadew> I wonder if I clicked "cancel" and "never ask again" when it asked me if I want to allow the app to use the device
2015-06-12T04:46:55 < dongs> lol
2015-06-12T04:47:16 < jadew> now the only phone it works with is the one with the wrong orientation for the USB connector and I already have enough thermal selfies
2015-06-12T04:47:17 < dongs> nevar forget
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2015-06-12T05:58:00 < dongs> jeeeeeeeeeeeesus
2015-06-12T05:58:09 < dongs> got a bug report today (luckily not my software/hardware)
2015-06-12T05:58:32 < dongs> "i dont know anything, the app was changed, i don't knoew version of SDK used or driver version or a,ything, it worked for years, now it will crash after 2-3 days. please help"
2015-06-12T05:58:36 < dongs> what the actual fuck people
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2015-06-12T06:30:04 < arko> anyone here familiar with arm gcc
2015-06-12T06:30:05 < arko> ?
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2015-06-12T07:21:47 < dongs> what a DICK
2015-06-12T07:22:49 < emeb_mac> who?
2015-06-12T07:23:15 < dongs> < arko> anyone here familiar with arm gcc
2015-06-12T07:23:16 < dongs> this guy
2015-06-12T07:23:55 < emeb_mac> ragequitter
2015-06-12T07:24:00 < dongs> pretty much
2015-06-12T07:24:14 < emeb_mac> seagull - flys in, shits all over, flys out
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2015-06-12T08:56:54 < upgrdman> anyone ever tried pcbway? they're even cheaper than dirtypcbs.  http://www.pcbway.com/pcb_prototype/
2015-06-12T08:57:11 < upgrdman> 10 board, 100x100mm, $13
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2015-06-12T09:17:32 < JoeKpg> Hello guys
2015-06-12T09:19:23 < upgrdman> hi
2015-06-12T09:22:14 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-06-12T09:22:42 < dongs> upgrdman: $13 for enig? lies
2015-06-12T09:22:50 < upgrdman> not enig
2015-06-12T09:22:54 < upgrdman> $13 for hasl
2015-06-12T09:23:02 < dongs> a
2015-06-12T09:23:15 < dongs> well, what exactly feedback do you expect?
2015-06-12T09:23:20 < dongs> its probablyh same factory tryingto undercut
2015-06-12T09:23:20 < dongs> lol
2015-06-12T09:23:27 < dongs> so they can make $0.1 themselfves
2015-06-12T09:23:31 < dongs> instead of through middleman
2015-06-12T09:23:33 < upgrdman> ya i know. just never heard of them before
2015-06-12T09:23:35 < dongs> $.05
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2015-06-12T09:24:53 < dongs> haha
2015-06-12T09:24:55 < dongs> i broke their site
2015-06-12T09:25:02 < dongs> if you go to click different thicknesses
2015-06-12T09:25:06 < dongs> and then go back to 1.6
2015-06-12T09:25:08 < dongs> its still $37
2015-06-12T09:26:05 < upgrdman> it changes to ENIG only for the thinnest pcb
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2015-06-12T09:26:13 < dongs> oo
2015-06-12T09:26:25 < upgrdman> so change back to HASL :)
2015-06-12T09:26:32 < dongs> ic
2015-06-12T09:26:35 < dongs> sneaky
2015-06-12T09:26:38 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2015-06-12T09:26:41 < dongs> 0.4mm pcb is like fucking pro
2015-06-12T09:26:45 < dongs> you can totally bend it
2015-06-12T09:26:56 < dongs> get some arduweno shields wieth that
2015-06-12T09:27:01 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-12T09:27:36 < upgrdman> "world's first bending arduino shield.* "     *does not work after you bend it.
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2015-06-12T09:28:17 < JoeKpg> sorry... my connection is not very stable
2015-06-12T09:29:20 < dongs> Speaking of a dichotomy , how exactly do you "Give credit to the Zano team for what they have done to date..." when they haven't posted a meaningful update in over a month?
2015-06-12T09:29:24 < dongs> And everyone should ask, "why do they have a Director of Marketing if he is too busy with getting the project completed that he can't find time in the day to provide updates?"
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2015-06-12T09:31:26 < JoeKpg> I was saying that my concern is: if I setup all the peripherals that don't conflict with each other  let's say (2xSPI, 4xUSART, 1xETH, etc)  and I run them in the same program, is that possible? Am I going to run out of memory? I know I have 192KB of SRAM and 1MB of Flash and mostly will depend on my coding skills, but do you think it's very likely to happen?
2015-06-12T09:31:41 < dongs> err
2015-06-12T09:31:44 < dongs> what "memory"?
2015-06-12T09:31:56 < dongs> an enabled peripheral doesn't need any memory
2015-06-12T09:32:08 < dongs> you can enable them all if you want
2015-06-12T09:32:13 < JoeKpg> but the code to run that peripheral does isn't it?
2015-06-12T09:32:20 < dongs> in flash, sure
2015-06-12T09:32:27 < dongs> you can probably run all of those in < 32k flash
2015-06-12T09:32:33 < dongs> initialize + do basic things.
2015-06-12T09:32:45 < JoeKpg> ok, I think that solves most of my doubts
2015-06-12T09:32:51 < dongs> IP stack for ethernet will be bigger, but everything else will be negligible compared to it
2015-06-12T09:33:06 < JoeKpg> I'm going to have a separate SPI Flash to store the data
2015-06-12T09:33:21 < JoeKpg> so I was more worried about the code to drive all the peripherals and data management
2015-06-12T09:33:27 < dongs> you can use part of system flash (like last page(s)) just erase them and write stuff in it
2015-06-12T09:33:42 < dongs> dewpends how much data y ou got etc
2015-06-12T09:34:06 < jpa-> flash translation layer & flash filesystems can take up significant amount of SRAM, but 192kB should get you pretty far
2015-06-12T09:34:18 < jpa-> in case you need more than simple settings storage
2015-06-12T09:35:00 < JoeKpg> it's going to be quite a lot of data I think, so I'll rest assure if I know I can fit them in a separate flash memory, and save the memory of the stm32f4 for the code
2015-06-12T09:35:37 < JoeKpg> also my coding skills might not be as good as some experts in here... so in case it's not very optimized... but if 192kB is good enough I'm less worried now
2015-06-12T09:37:23 < upgrdman> what's a "translation layer"?
2015-06-12T09:37:39 < dongs> you know
2015-06-12T09:37:44 < dongs> stuff.
2015-06-12T09:37:59 < jpa-> upgrdman: big flash chips can only be erased in blocks of 64kB or so; so if you want to write stuff nicely, you need something to lay it out in the flash reasonably
2015-06-12T09:38:08 < jpa-> uffs is one option suitable for microcontrollers
2015-06-12T09:38:17 < upgrdman> oh oh yes. ok.
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2015-06-12T12:41:05 < dongs> pretty quite from your side! How realistic is a shipping before next weekend? Otherwise I will not get my hands on my Zano until end of August. I hope you can make the original schedule. Please please please!!! :)
2015-06-12T12:41:51 < jpa-> what a pleasant surprise he'll have in august :)
2015-06-12T12:42:32 < dongs> that it still hasnt shipped?
2015-06-12T12:46:43 < jpa-> huh? that it obviously has shipped and with better image quality than any camera on earth and it will fly 5 years with a single charge
2015-06-12T12:47:16 < dongs> 4k@60fps thermal imager
2015-06-12T12:47:34 < jpa-> and 300km/h flight speed
2015-06-12T12:47:34 < dongs> totally not export controlled
2015-06-12T12:48:38 < dongs> around the world on 450mAh lipo
2015-06-12T12:48:41 < dongs> in < 24 hours
2015-06-12T12:49:31 < dongs> hm it would need to be going > 1670km/h
2015-06-12T12:49:52 < dongs> like mach 1.2
2015-06-12T12:50:04 < _Sync_> I wonder if there already are 4k 60fps thermal imagers
2015-06-12T12:50:15 < dongs> _Sync_: if you owned any, you'd already be dead
2015-06-12T12:51:12 < _Sync_> probably not
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2015-06-12T12:53:07 < dongs> you know its expensive if they dont evne list the price
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2015-06-12T13:03:08 < jadew> dongs, odds are you can't even order it if you're not MOD
2015-06-12T13:03:40 < jadew> or DOD, whatever is called there
2015-06-12T13:06:48 < Laurenceb> hmm xga
2015-06-12T13:07:01 < Laurenceb> I do wonder about hacking a lepton
2015-06-12T13:07:45 < Laurenceb> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e0Cejsnp6WA/VIi0KXXuVAI/AAAAAAAAK28/edOB-Zh3s5M/s1600/FLIR%2BLepton.JPG
2015-06-12T13:08:00 < Laurenceb> desolder the bottom IC maybe...
2015-06-12T13:08:09 < Laurenceb> or maybe just swap its xtal
2015-06-12T13:08:25 < jadew> to what end?
2015-06-12T13:09:05 < Laurenceb> to get decent frame rate
2015-06-12T13:09:05 < jadew> my guess is they are designed for slow frame rate
2015-06-12T13:09:12 < jadew> so if you get the frames faster, you probably fail to meet the minimum exposure time
2015-06-12T13:09:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.flytron.com/1108-thickbox_default/flir-lepton-25-fov-camera-core-for-drones.jpg
2015-06-12T13:09:21 < Laurenceb> hmf no obvious xtal
2015-06-12T13:09:34 < Laurenceb> theres no such thing as exposure time for microbolometer arrasy
2015-06-12T13:09:50 < Laurenceb> how odd
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2015-06-12T13:10:09 < jadew> I doubt the sampling is instant
2015-06-12T13:13:03 < jadew> if there wouldn't be any exposure time limitations we'd have much higer resolutions available
2015-06-12T13:13:19 < jadew> because they'd use the extra frames to increase the resolution
2015-06-12T13:13:38 < jadew> my guess is that they're already operating at maximum frame rate
2015-06-12T13:13:50 < Laurenceb> 9fps is itar limit
2015-06-12T13:18:03 < jadew> yeah, but they knew about it when they designed the sensor
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2015-06-12T13:19:12 < jadew> so they figured "ok, we can take X additional frames between each frame we send out for processing, this means we can have less phisical pixels and get the same resolution. Perfect!"
2015-06-12T13:21:11 < jadew> afk
2015-06-12T13:23:29 < Roklobsta> jadew: you given up on AVR yet?
2015-06-12T13:43:00 < dongs> 30hz xga or 60hz vga on that cam
2015-06-12T13:43:40 < dongs> http://www.jenoptik.com/en-variocam-hd-1024-research whoa lol
2015-06-12T13:43:42 < Roklobsta> dongs: how's the Zano Fail party plans going?
2015-06-12T13:43:49 < dongs> Roklobsta: full steam ahead
2015-06-12T13:43:55 < dongs> updates slowed down to a crawl
2015-06-12T13:44:17 < dongs> 384 x 288 pixel (120 fps)
2015-06-12T13:44:19 < dongs>  omggggg
2015-06-12T13:44:21 < dongs> 120fps thermal
2015-06-12T13:44:23 < dongs> fapfapfap
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2015-06-12T13:45:43 < Roklobsta> dongs: A street parade with this?  http://bit.ly/1L2ggq2
2015-06-12T13:46:15 < dongs> so old
2015-06-12T13:46:39 < Roklobsta> oh... i'm late with that joke
2015-06-12T13:47:16 < dongs> upgrdman: motherfucker. now im seeing google ads for PCBWay
2015-06-12T13:47:23 < dongs> but google ad says $12
2015-06-12T13:47:25 < dongs> delivery 2-4 days
2015-06-12T13:47:34 < dongs> pfft
2015-06-12T13:47:35 < dongs> such lies
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2015-06-12T13:49:11 < dongs> http://www.thermoteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/microcam-high-definition-image.jpg
2015-06-12T13:50:42 < Roklobsta> what do you want one for apart from 'cool'?
2015-06-12T13:52:13 < Laurenceb> killing taliban
2015-06-12T13:52:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5W8tHkJZ6k to film badgers
2015-06-12T13:53:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGEwLEROVo
2015-06-12T13:53:56 < dongs> trash rez
2015-06-12T13:55:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRngoBYoSMI compare to this shit
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2015-06-12T13:56:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZDSCcaD_f0 nice
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2015-06-12T14:04:25 < Laurenceb> heh I used to work in a cement kiln
2015-06-12T14:04:30 < Laurenceb> not actually inside it....
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2015-06-12T14:37:04 < Laurenceb> @��2��-@y����� (invalid encoding)
2015-06-12T14:37:59 < jadew> Roklobsta, I still like them
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2015-06-12T14:43:40 < jadew> dongs, nice cameras
2015-06-12T14:44:21 < jadew> hopefully they'll become more affordable in the future
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2015-06-12T15:00:18 < dongs> http://www.radeonramdisk.com/software_downloads.php
2015-06-12T15:00:18 < dongs> wut
2015-06-12T15:01:23 < ReadError> lunix does this free
2015-06-12T15:02:30 < scrts_w> what's the point of ramdisk?
2015-06-12T15:02:46 < ReadError> fast i/o
2015-06-12T15:05:03 < jadew> and easily discardable
2015-06-12T15:05:24 < jadew> I do that when I have to log tons of connections when doing integration testing for big applications
2015-06-12T15:07:58 < dongs> i do that when im running illegal shit on a pc
2015-06-12T15:08:03 < dongs> so when they power it off its all gone
2015-06-12T15:10:05 < jadew> the reviews for the seekthermal app on google play are funny
2015-06-12T15:10:10 < jadew> "Stupid You need to buy something for it gay "
2015-06-12T15:10:23 < jadew> "Don't know how How do you connect your camera"
2015-06-12T15:11:44 < jadew> "Does not let me activate camera I have a camera on my tablet so.."
2015-06-12T15:30:08 < dongs> Any update from Torquing please. I sent PM regarding my login to the beta site, but nothing back on that either. What is the current time line looking like at present. You must know.
2015-06-12T15:31:10 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/nnLvJxa.png
2015-06-12T15:31:14 < Laurenceb> lol buzzfeed
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2015-06-12T16:08:49 < jadew> englishman, I'm not sure I mentioned it, but the picture I showed you (the one with the components) is composed of two picutres
2015-06-12T16:09:55 < englishman> cool
2015-06-12T16:10:00 < englishman> stitched
2015-06-12T16:10:05 < jadew> I'm not sure if this is a defect of my microscope or not, but the left side of the image is always a bit out of focus (when looking through the camera)
2015-06-12T16:10:27 < ReadError> dongs https://github.com/PlayUAV/PlayuavOSD/commit/cfc4998c5d080003650c3edc6528998ddb253976
2015-06-12T16:10:27 < jadew> so I had to change the focus a bit and take another shot
2015-06-12T16:10:38 < ReadError> just incase u where interested in seeing superior chinese engineering
2015-06-12T16:16:43 < dongs> ReadError: ? schematic has been posted logn tiem ago
2015-06-12T16:17:12 < ReadError> yea but they put up the board files and schematic files
2015-06-12T16:18:03 < englishman> now you can clone it
2015-06-12T16:18:44 < ReadError> englishman brain is next on my hitlist now
2015-06-12T16:18:53 < englishman> cloning at any cost
2015-06-12T16:18:57 < ReadError> just for me
2015-06-12T16:19:01 < englishman> sure sure
2015-06-12T16:19:01 < ReadError> no, ill buy one
2015-06-12T16:19:10 < ReadError> i hate those damn connectors tho
2015-06-12T16:19:20 < englishman> cloneye will be making them in 2 months
2015-06-12T16:19:30 < ReadError> since only making a couple i can double side and pinheader
2015-06-12T16:20:08 < ReadError> doubt ill rls it though
2015-06-12T16:20:37 < ReadError> but fuck payin 130$ a board
2015-06-12T16:21:00 < englishman> crazy the most profilic rc cloner is a white guy in usa
2015-06-12T16:21:07 < englishman> typically that job is filled by chinese
2015-06-12T16:21:24 < ReadError> im black as hell
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2015-06-12T16:29:30 < dongs> ReadError: they've been there..
2015-06-12T16:30:08 < dongs> at least last time i looked i duno
2015-06-12T16:30:14 < dongs> looks liek they uploaded altidong project couple days ago
2015-06-12T16:30:20 < dongs> shruggery
2015-06-12T16:31:13 < ReadError> ya thats the commit i linked
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2015-06-12T16:32:56 < dongs> eww nasty
2015-06-12T16:32:59 < dongs> doublysided, 4 layer
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2015-06-12T16:44:38 < _Sync_> 0o
2015-06-12T16:44:47 < _Sync_> what is eww about that dongs
2015-06-12T16:57:59 < Laurenceb> ragggeeeeee
2015-06-12T16:58:06 < Laurenceb> i hate spreadsheets
2015-06-12T16:58:17 < Laurenceb> just dragged down and deleted a whole column
2015-06-12T16:58:30 < Laurenceb> why did anyone think these were a good idea
2015-06-12T17:19:06 < dongs> https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/how-to-get-in-the-news-tell-people-that-you-will-make-and-sell-something-which-cost-you-20-for-9/
2015-06-12T17:19:09 < dongs> drama
2015-06-12T17:20:35 < englishman> maybe they will stall for 2 years and collect interest on money while waiting for price to drop
2015-06-12T17:20:42 < englishman> 100% viable and smart business plan
2015-06-12T17:21:10 < englishman> also: old
2015-06-12T17:22:04 < dongs> whoa
2015-06-12T17:22:05 < dongs> super old
2015-06-12T17:22:06 < dongs> sorry
2015-06-12T17:22:08 < dongs> just got tweeted that
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2015-06-12T18:01:11 < gxti> mega old
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2015-06-12T18:12:19 < dongs> attn Laurenceb https://i.imgur.com/a1OVMS4.png
2015-06-12T18:14:03 < englishman> its probably Laurenceb
2015-06-12T18:14:17 < Laurenceb> trollercoaster
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2015-06-12T18:37:54 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32773331
2015-06-12T18:38:02 < Laurenceb>  Nitro-Jagermeister
2015-06-12T18:38:08 < Laurenceb> lulz
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2015-06-12T18:38:52 < Laurenceb> i dont get how that can be non fatal under any conditions
2015-06-12T18:38:55 < englishman> wtf
2015-06-12T18:39:01 < Laurenceb> I've nearly killed myself with LN2
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2015-06-12T18:39:05 < englishman> once the shit evaporates
2015-06-12T18:39:11 < Laurenceb> exactly
2015-06-12T18:39:14 < Laurenceb> you suffocate
2015-06-12T18:39:14 < englishman> but that has no place in a pub lol
2015-06-12T18:39:26 < Laurenceb> luckily there was someone else in the lab to help me out
2015-06-12T18:39:34 < Laurenceb> i was a few seconds away from passing out
2015-06-12T18:39:49 < englishman> how much did you have
2015-06-12T18:39:57 < englishman> youre not supposed to swim in it
2015-06-12T18:40:04 < Laurenceb> someone knocked a dewar over
2015-06-12T18:40:27 < englishman> how big
2015-06-12T18:40:30 < Laurenceb> luckily we had a low oxygen alarm, but i caught some breaths full
2015-06-12T18:40:36 < Laurenceb> cant remember lol
2015-06-12T18:40:41 < englishman> i mean science shows and shit pour it on the floor to make it all misty
2015-06-12T18:40:57 < englishman> but in an open space not a little lab
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2015-06-12T18:48:54 < _Sync_> lel Laurenceb
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2015-06-12T18:49:22 < _Sync_> Laurenceb: I pour LN2 on the floor all the time
2015-06-12T18:49:46 < Laurenceb> yeah but you dont crouch down and breath it
2015-06-12T18:49:57 < dongs> _Sync_: youtube or it didnt happen
2015-06-12T18:50:05 < Laurenceb> the N2 is heavy and can pool in your lungs
2015-06-12T18:50:24 < Laurenceb> well... if its freezing cold it is
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2015-06-12T18:50:44 < BrainDamage> it still displaces oxygen if you dump a shitload
2015-06-12T18:50:49 < _Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/such_bodennebel.jpg dongs
2015-06-12T18:51:04 < Laurenceb> shit
2015-06-12T18:51:11 < Laurenceb> its a warp drive
2015-06-12T18:51:26 < englishman> i think there are accelerations happening
2015-06-12T18:51:30 < Laurenceb> most hardcore looking kit ever
2015-06-12T18:51:47 < englishman> such bodennebel
2015-06-12T18:51:52 < englishman> very nitrogen
2015-06-12T18:51:53 < englishman> wow
2015-06-12T18:52:02 < _Sync_>             such oxygen
2015-06-12T18:52:09 < Laurenceb> i spot air vent in ceiling
2015-06-12T18:52:18 < dongs> wat teh fuck is going on there
2015-06-12T18:52:21 < _Sync_> yes, but it is recirc Laurenceb
2015-06-12T18:52:28 < _Sync_> so I troll the other labs too
2015-06-12T18:52:41 < englishman> sorry _Sync_ i have to stop you there
2015-06-12T18:52:45 < englishman> this is clearly not stm32 content
2015-06-12T18:52:53 < englishman> please take your trolling to another chan
2015-06-12T18:53:18 < englishman> unless you are growing new stm32 samples in sub zero?
2015-06-12T18:53:35 < _Sync_> yes, this is prototype stm32 testing
2015-06-12T18:53:38 < _Sync_> obviously
2015-06-12T18:53:43 < englishman> oh good. continue
2015-06-12T18:54:06 < _Sync_> dongs: that's LN2 overflowing from the cooling mantle
2015-06-12T18:54:53 < _Sync_> Laurenceb: we actually have a low oxygen alarm too, but only at the dewar filling station
2015-06-12T18:55:19 < _Sync_> but yeah, the vents are calculated to deal with a certain spillage
2015-06-12T18:55:29 < _Sync_> as all of the machines on that floor have LN2 in them
2015-06-12T18:56:21 < _Sync_> englishman: there are not all that many accelerations happening
2015-06-12T18:56:34 < _Sync_> it's a MBE system
2015-06-12T18:58:41 < englishman> so it could be stm32 content!!
2015-06-12T18:59:10 < englishman> what are you doing with that, i wanted to get into semiconductors
2015-06-12T18:59:42 < emeb> Member of British Empire?
2015-06-12T18:59:43 < emeb> :)
2015-06-12T18:59:54  * emeb knows what molecular beam epitaxy is
2015-06-12T19:00:09 < _Sync_> researching virtual substrates
2015-06-12T19:00:23 < dongs> also known as trolling
2015-06-12T19:00:28 < emeb> substrates that aren't really there
2015-06-12T19:00:35 < emeb> you're just imagining them.
2015-06-12T19:00:40 < englishman> why dyou need all that kit then
2015-06-12T19:00:47 < englishman> i use VMware for that stuff
2015-06-12T19:00:52 < emeb> lol
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2015-06-12T19:02:46 < englishman> growing material of different lattice constant on existing crystal?
2015-06-12T19:02:47 < englishman> cool
2015-06-12T19:06:35 < _Sync_> yep
2015-06-12T19:06:48 < _Sync_> and completely relaxed
2015-06-12T19:12:34 < englishman> very cool
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2015-06-13T02:15:11 < kakimir> new tractor smell
2015-06-13T02:15:29 < kakimir> made in uk
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2015-06-13T02:17:30 < kakimir> I instantly felt british spirit in it
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2015-06-13T02:29:19 < kakimir> #farmer32
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2015-06-13T02:55:14 < dongs> sup zano followers
2015-06-13T02:55:17 < dongs> englishman: are you on zano forums
2015-06-13T02:55:48 < kakimir> what you do dongs when zano no more?
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2015-06-13T03:15:37 < jadew> he'll find some other kickstarter to troll
2015-06-13T03:16:04 < jadew> dongs, did you buy a zano?
2015-06-13T03:16:26 < kakimir> troll in kickstarter - actually raise millions
2015-06-13T03:19:12 < dongs> i bought the distributor 50pack
2015-06-13T03:19:54 < dongs> ill be the first zano reseller in south shit azn
2015-06-13T03:23:33 < kakimir> ok you are from arizonas?
2015-06-13T03:24:04 < kakimir> azn = asian?
2015-06-13T03:26:03 < dongs> ...
2015-06-13T03:26:56 < dongs> http://boingboing.net/2015/06/12/man-receives-fine-for-imperson.html
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2015-06-13T03:31:30 < kakimir> dongs news
2015-06-13T03:33:32 < jadew> lmfao
2015-06-13T03:40:49 < kakimir> gaben has your money already
2015-06-13T03:44:27 < kakimir> is there games you recommend?
2015-06-13T03:44:49 < kakimir> I preffer old fashioned with non-round corners
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2015-06-13T03:49:19 < karlp> dongs: why didn't yu send us this rad robot when it came out? https://vimeo.com/111997940
2015-06-13T03:50:01 < dongs> laff
2015-06-13T03:50:12 < dongs> fucking artfags
2015-06-13T03:54:08 < kakimir> arma3 is nice
2015-06-13T03:54:30 < kakimir> my brother played dayz mod for 1000hours or so
2015-06-13T03:54:45 < kakimir> looking ther people nolife hurts
2015-06-13T03:55:55 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Domed-Tactile-Switch-DNA-20-DNA-30-Box-Mod-C-K-KSJ-Series-FAST-SHIP-USA/331335722318 what you do with this?
2015-06-13T04:00:12 < karlp> push it?
2015-06-13T04:00:46 < kakimir> why it's such form?
2015-06-13T04:00:56 < karlp> huh, they're actually targetting e-cig modificiations
2015-06-13T04:01:00 < karlp> what a wild market
2015-06-13T04:09:32 < kakimir> oh it's button like that
2015-06-13T04:10:04 < kakimir> so crappy
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2015-06-13T04:12:46 < englishman> dongs: no why
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2015-06-13T06:05:00 < upgrdman> lolwut   http://i.imgur.com/EKLz1ae.jpg
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2015-06-13T06:10:11 < upgrdman> awesome   http://i.imgur.com/o0D2Rno.jpg
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2015-06-13T06:15:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIhKnZisiyQ
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2015-06-13T06:32:19 < postmodern> hello, recently got an stm32f29iDISCO dev board and have stlink, openocd and arm-none-eabi-gdb installed
2015-06-13T06:32:48 < postmodern> i cannot seem to halt the chip, and i've tried st-util+gdb, openocd+telnet and openocd+gdb
2015-06-13T06:33:06 < postmodern> each time halting times out
2015-06-13T06:38:28 < upgrdman> postmodern, but you sare able to connect with gdb?
2015-06-13T06:38:33 < upgrdman> s/sare/are
2015-06-13T06:40:55 < upgrdman> postmodern, if you are able to connect with gdb, and doing basic things like break, continue, etc., then im not sure
2015-06-13T06:41:04 < upgrdman> there is #openocd, not sure if they would know
2015-06-13T06:47:42 < postmodern> upgrdman, it shows executing at 0x0 and all regs are 0
2015-06-13T06:47:49 < postmodern> upgrdman, and continue just hangs
2015-06-13T06:47:59 < postmodern> upgrdman, i also tried st-util+gdb
2015-06-13T06:48:23 < postmodern> COM LED just keeps flashing red/green
2015-06-13T06:48:35 < upgrdman> k
2015-06-13T06:48:50 < upgrdman> im more familiar with the f0
2015-06-13T06:48:51 < upgrdman> but
2015-06-13T06:49:17 < upgrdman> i use openocd and arm-none-eabi-gdb. i dont use st-util/stlink
2015-06-13T06:49:28 < upgrdman> here's my script for gdb with the f0
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2015-06-13T06:49:52 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/config_gdb.cfg
2015-06-13T06:50:24 < upgrdman> and my openocd script   https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/config_openocd_stm32f0.cfg
2015-06-13T06:51:28 < postmodern> interesting
2015-06-13T06:51:51 < postmodern> i'm using `openocd -f board/stm32f429discovery.cfg` for openocd
2015-06-13T06:51:56 < postmodern> so i assume that's sufficient
2015-06-13T06:53:00 < upgrdman> have not played with the f429. might check in #openocd or on the openocd forums
2015-06-13T06:53:10 < upgrdman> im sure many people have used the f429 with openocd
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2015-06-13T09:41:01 < postmodern> upgrdman, you will enjoy this one
2015-06-13T09:41:19 < postmodern> upgrdman, turns out the problem was i was told to mount this STM32F in a breadboard
2015-06-13T09:41:42 < postmodern> upgrdman, except the F4* has two columns of pins on each side, which serve different purposes
2015-06-13T09:41:54 < postmodern> upgrdman, so putting in the breadboard was shorting everything out and mixing signals
2015-06-13T09:42:10 < postmodern> upgrdman, removes the thing from the breadboard and the default OS booted up
2015-06-13T09:42:25 < postmodern> and was able to flash on mandelbrot-lcd no problem
2015-06-13T09:50:56 < postmodern> pebcak
2015-06-13T09:51:15 < postmodern> or maybe pebbbadb
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2015-06-13T10:08:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: for the reference, the symptoms were the exact sign of RESET line permanently pulled low.
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2015-06-13T10:44:07 < dongs> R2COM: what hte hell is that
2015-06-13T10:44:11 < dongs> MH17 shutdown?
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2015-06-13T11:00:31 < dongs> https://www.transphormusa.com/sites/default/files/public/Inverter_TDPV1000E0C1_0.pdf
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2015-06-13T11:03:22 < dongs> https://www.transphormusa.com/sites/default/files/public/TPH3205WS%20v4.pdf
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2015-06-13T14:02:07 < dongs> Team Zano you promised a Update and a video a few weeks ago. Where is it ?! If you can't hold any promise then tell us with a short update!
2015-06-13T14:02:10 < dongs> Don't tell us you don't have time for a short 1min update.
2015-06-13T14:03:52 < _Sync_> but but ivan has to change the layout again due to some noise concern
2015-06-13T14:04:13 < dongs> remove more parts cuz its not noisy enough
2015-06-13T14:04:22 < dongs> how is this technology news? will you report every little settings update twitter makes, and call it news? vast majority of people in america (especially non-black people) do not use twitter FYI.
2015-06-13T14:06:00 < specing> ZANO Y U NO MAKE DONGS SHUT UP
2015-06-13T14:07:19 < qyx_> are they shipping yet?
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2015-06-13T14:10:06 < Steffanx> did they move the deadline yet, you mean? :P
2015-06-13T14:12:06 < BrainDamage> anyone knows if there's a specific name for those cables that have a panel mounted connector on one side and a flying wire on the other?
2015-06-13T14:12:39 < qyx_> pigtails?
2015-06-13T14:13:39 < BrainDamage> i'll try with pigtails, thanks
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2015-06-13T15:09:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nikolalabs/nikola-phone-case-power-your-phone-with-wasted-ene zano 2.0
2015-06-13T15:10:34 < specing> --
2015-06-13T15:11:52 < englishman> i hope the main feature of this thing is to block all outgoing rf signals too
2015-06-13T15:12:21 < dongs> yes
2015-06-13T15:12:38 < dongs> englishman: are you on zano forums
2015-06-13T15:12:43 < dongs> i saw some posts that looked like yours
2015-06-13T15:12:46 < englishman> you already asked that and no
2015-06-13T15:12:48 < dongs> oh
2015-06-13T15:12:56 < dongs> yes ,i aske but I dont remember getting areply
2015-06-13T15:13:04 < dongs> maybe too stoned
2015-06-13T15:13:06 < englishman> these guys went to techchrunch
2015-06-13T15:13:17 < englishman> these are te children innovating our future
2015-06-13T15:13:44 < dongs> tehccrunch somehow makes it legitimate?
2015-06-13T15:14:02 < englishman> no
2015-06-13T15:15:10 < englishman> they have two phds on staff and are only asking for $135k
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2015-06-13T16:14:09 < Steffanx> when you say "phd" that makes me think of Laurenceb and then i lol englishman :P
2015-06-13T16:31:58 < Steffanx> did you launch your rockoon thing yet Laurenceb?
2015-06-13T16:51:59  * rkreis wonders why rain makes his otherwise solid and fast DSL fail
2015-06-13T16:53:10 < _Sync_> cable impedance changes
2015-06-13T16:53:17 < _Sync_> GG SNR
2015-06-13T16:53:59 < rkreis> hmm, there's indeed a small drop in SNR
2015-06-13T16:54:12 < rkreis> and lots of uncorrectable errors at the same time, nice
2015-06-13T16:54:52 < Steffanx> "leaky" cable somewhere or .. ?
2015-06-13T16:55:17 < rkreis> *shrug*
2015-06-13T16:55:53 < rkreis> would be nice if there was some kind of rate adaption, but nah
2015-06-13T16:56:21 < Steffanx> Its NSA rkreis. They made a bad tap on the line.
2015-06-13T16:56:40 < rkreis> heh, i was told an excarvator broke the line...
2015-06-13T16:57:11 < rkreis> i actually went there and there really was dozens of wires
2015-06-13T16:57:59 < rkreis> probably fixed it with crocodile clips and some chewing gum
2015-06-13T17:02:27 < scummos> reportedly doesn't work very well for optical fibers
2015-06-13T17:02:38 < Steffanx> but no rate adaption? dsl could stop using the frequencies with low snr not?
2015-06-13T17:02:46 < Steffanx> the modem that is
2015-06-13T17:03:12 < Steffanx> or isnt't your modem smart enough to do so?
2015-06-13T17:03:42 < Steffanx> unless it's all shitty of course
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2015-06-13T17:08:22 < rkreis> modem claims there's no rate adaption (but i'd guess it supports it)
2015-06-13T17:08:39 < rkreis> probably just misconfiguration from the ISP...
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2015-06-13T17:09:21 < rkreis> the less you know about DSL, the better :)
2015-06-13T17:11:32 < Steffanx> I'm glad we swiched from dsl to cable Internet a year or so ago.
2015-06-13T17:14:16 < rkreis> the cable company here wants to reduce your data rate if you use too much traffic, i'd rather not have business with them
2015-06-13T17:14:40 < _Sync_> shared medium is a no for me
2015-06-13T17:14:55 < rkreis> switch off your phone then :)
2015-06-13T17:15:18 < Steffanx> i think there is something like fair use policy here, but i don't think i'll ever get in trouble
2015-06-13T17:16:05 < rkreis> i don't care if i get into trouble, i don't want to think whether i have enough data left or not before i click a youtube link
2015-06-13T17:16:16 < rkreis> or watch it in 480p or wahtever, this is 2015
2015-06-13T17:16:58 < Steffanx> with trouble i meant hitting the limit and a reduce data rate.
2015-06-13T17:17:07 < rkreis> yes, me too
2015-06-13T17:17:55 < rkreis> wait, i'm not even making sense
2015-06-13T17:18:18 < rkreis> what i wanted to say is that i rarely use more than 10G a day, but i still don't want to feel like i have to watch my data usage
2015-06-13T17:18:40 < rkreis> so while i wouldn't hit the limit in pratice, i'd stil want to avoid having it
2015-06-13T17:22:45 < rkreis> a bit more on topic: running an stm32l0 which measures supply voltage/temperature every second and sends it out over a radio module from a 2200uF cap for a minute: http://i.imgur.com/EhRYUjG.png
2015-06-13T17:28:38 < qyx_> meh versogung.. such word
2015-06-13T17:31:31 < rkreis> no spaces allowed
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2015-06-13T17:32:04 < Steffanx> Did you stop measuring after 60 sec or did the rf module "die"?
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2015-06-13T17:35:40 < rkreis> Steffanx, rf module died at some point after that
2015-06-13T17:36:02 < rkreis> it probably continued measuring for quite a while, but the rf module needs 2V or so according to specs
2015-06-13T17:37:10 < rkreis> heh, 2.8V even
2015-06-13T17:38:13 < rkreis> anyway, this seems like a good way to measure small current consumption or short current pulses, except the capacitor has 20% tolerance :)
2015-06-13T17:38:24 < rkreis> more work for me
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2015-06-13T19:46:20 < kakimir> when there is momentary switch what is that another type?
2015-06-13T19:46:25 < kakimir> opposing momentary
2015-06-13T19:46:38 < kakimir> writing comments..
2015-06-13T19:47:22 < jpa-> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/26284/specifying-a-non-momentary-switch
2015-06-13T19:47:55 < kakimir> ok toggle would be
2015-06-13T19:48:58 < kakimir> my first project having more comment than code
2015-06-13T19:49:30 < kakimir> this feels like ok practise
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2015-06-13T20:14:18 < upgrdman> ya theres tons of type of switches
2015-06-13T20:14:47 < upgrdman> push button, toggle, rocker, slide, knife
2015-06-13T20:14:56 < upgrdman> rotary
2015-06-13T20:16:22 < upgrdman> go to mouser, digiket, etc. and look at their switch category.
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2015-06-13T20:43:49 < kakimir> just soldered my soldering station with itself
2015-06-13T20:44:17 < kakimir> shorted it
2015-06-13T20:44:30 < Steffanx> -_-
2015-06-13T20:44:37 < kakimir> now it's cold
2015-06-13T20:44:59 < Steffanx> no more soldering for you
2015-06-13T20:45:23 < kakimir> actually used bench supply with iron head
2015-06-13T20:45:29 < kakimir> from station
2015-06-13T20:45:53 < kakimir> soon I have hakko head to my shitty station
2015-06-13T20:46:04 < kakimir> "hakko"
2015-06-13T20:48:08 < Steffanx> bench supply with iron head? Wut?
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2015-06-13T21:02:06 < rkreis> kakimir, i have mixed feelings about comments
2015-06-13T21:02:27 < rkreis> i prefer excellent code that doesn't need comments over bad codes that only makes sense with comments
2015-06-13T21:02:40 < rkreis> (grammar sold separately)
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2015-06-13T21:16:33 < kakimir> shiet
2015-06-13T21:16:58 < kakimir> hakko has some resistance based sensor and shitstation has thermocouple
2015-06-13T21:17:32 < kakimir> quickly build some adapter!
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2015-06-13T21:40:39 < _Sync_> rkreis: usually I prefer when code specifies when magic happens
2015-06-13T21:40:57 < _Sync_> or stuff that is not immediately obvious
2015-06-13T21:43:43 < Steffanx> hmpf farnell's search engine -_-
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2015-06-13T21:44:31 < Steffanx> Was curious if the f7 was already in their catalog. It seems it partially there. When you search for "stm32f7" it returns
2015-06-13T21:44:33 < Steffanx> '0 Product Results Found For "2480961"'
2015-06-13T21:48:40 < Steffanx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STM32F746G-DISCO/497-15680-5-ND/5267791 . oof, 50$ isn't nice.
2015-06-13T21:48:57 < kakimir> with constant voltage you get pretty stabile temperature to soldering iron
2015-06-13T21:50:09 < kakimir> resistance changes drastically by temperature
2015-06-13T21:50:29 < Steffanx> ReadError went to a stm32 seminar i see?
2015-06-13T21:52:12 < Steffanx> o no, i see it wasn't you
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2015-06-13T22:36:39 < rkreis> _Sync_, sounds sensible
2015-06-13T22:36:58 < rkreis> i try not to be a magician... but sometimes you just can't resist, can you?
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2015-06-13T22:38:16 < rkreis> kakimir, so the hakko tip has the heating element plus an NTC or so?
2015-06-13T22:39:52 < jpa-> could be just the normal coefficient of resistance of the heating element
2015-06-13T22:40:14 < rkreis> ah, i see
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2015-06-13T22:40:50 < rkreis> i did something like that (one wire for both heating and measuring temperature) for a microsensor, it was painful
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2015-06-13T22:43:59 < qyx_> Steffanx: I reported such weird search bugs like few months ago
2015-06-13T22:44:03 < qyx_> with many examples
2015-06-13T22:44:48 < kakimir> rkreis: makes it easyer to build a controller for it myself
2015-06-13T22:53:10 < rkreis> i can't see how
2015-06-13T22:53:33 < jpa-> rkreis: what was painful about it?
2015-06-13T22:53:51 < jpa-> seems to me that you just need to measure the current and voltage over the heater
2015-06-13T22:54:26 < rkreis> yes, at the same time, and with very little current because the tiny wire heats up very quickly
2015-06-13T22:55:11 < rkreis> so i needed good accuracy over a very wide range
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2015-06-13T23:38:36 < Steffanx> qyx_: you reported it to farnell?
2015-06-13T23:40:46 < qyx_> yep
2015-06-13T23:41:04 < qyx_> they just said thanks
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2015-06-13T23:47:34 < Steffanx> hehe always nice
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2015-06-14T00:37:17 < emeb> More foolishness: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32friend/index.html
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2015-06-14T00:48:25 < Steffanx> You attract many arduino guys that you have to mention it's not an arduino?!
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2015-06-14T00:51:59 < qyx_> it is standard disclaimer
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2015-06-14T01:34:23 < kakimir> debuging 8bit avr smells
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2015-06-14T01:40:22 < Steffanx> also depends on the tools you're using
2015-06-14T01:40:44 < Steffanx> you're not using debugwire and/or jtag i guess?
2015-06-14T01:41:36 < Steffanx> what is mr kakimir up to this time?
2015-06-14T01:52:02 < kakimir> don't know
2015-06-14T01:52:18 < kakimir> trying to get stupid controller running
2015-06-14T01:52:24 < kakimir> tried but
2015-06-14T01:52:45 < kakimir> I'm happy with code that flashes for now
2015-06-14T01:52:56 < kakimir> that's some starting point to say
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2015-06-14T01:57:19 < kakimir> does 8bit avr have debu interface?
2015-06-14T01:59:50 < kakimir> I think i will output variables with bitbanged uart
2015-06-14T02:03:41 < kakimir> i really really should not be doin this now or ever
2015-06-14T02:04:00 < kakimir> but i promised my friend to deliver
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2015-06-14T02:06:35 < kakimir> well now i have nice controller code
2015-06-14T02:10:16 < kakimir> I shouldn't break my own rule not to scratch build stuff it's always bad
2015-06-14T02:18:35 < Steffanx> lol kakimir, you just went for "nice controller code" and "it's always bad" in 4 minutes :P
2015-06-14T02:18:49 < Steffanx> *from... to ..
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2015-06-14T02:20:24 < kakimir> code is better than ever
2015-06-14T02:20:48 < kakimir> but
2015-06-14T02:21:37 < kakimir> hardware it's runnin on..
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2015-06-14T04:16:10 < MrMobius> hello
2015-06-14T04:16:38 < MrMobius> does anyone know which "Toolchain" to select in the Cube software if you are using GCC?
2015-06-14T04:16:45 < MrMobius> since GCC is not an option
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2015-06-14T05:12:08 < amstan> what's the cheapest stm32 that can do cap sense?
2015-06-14T05:12:27 < amstan> i'm interested to replace an msp430g2553 with it
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2015-06-14T05:40:16 < MrMobius> does anyone know how to use the Cube stuff with GCC?
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2015-06-14T06:26:34 < jadew`> I almost solved it: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/Ml4SM.png
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2015-06-14T06:38:04 < dongs> http://s3.postimg.org/huatxf8b7/imrs.jpg
2015-06-14T06:38:49 < jadew> ugly gorilla lol
2015-06-14T06:43:06 < MrMobius> well at least ST lets you integrate their Cube nonsense into Eclipse
2015-06-14T06:43:21 < MrMobius> so you need less clicks to generate their absolutely worthless files
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2015-06-14T06:43:42 < MrMobius> since none of them work in eclipse
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2015-06-14T06:58:55 < englishman> dings
2015-06-14T06:58:59 < englishman> dongs
2015-06-14T06:59:03 < englishman> https://goo.gl/photos/LPD24zkKxyGtepcN9
2015-06-14T07:02:05 < dongs> dongs
2015-06-14T07:02:08 < dongs> haha
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2015-06-14T07:24:55 < upgrdman> YES! finally fixed the problem that was causing my check engine light (p0171 too lean) ... god damn fuel injectors!
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2015-06-14T08:19:11 < jadew> and I fully fixed the seek thermal issue: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/sbQel.png
2015-06-14T08:19:15 < jadew> \o/
2015-06-14T08:19:33 < jadew> time to write a badass app for it now
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2015-06-14T08:40:03 < upgrdman> jadew, nice. where was your bug?
2015-06-14T08:40:38 < jadew> upgrdman, fixed pattern noise, due to the difference in gain of each pixel
2015-06-14T08:41:17 < upgrdman> but you were subtracting before right?
2015-06-14T08:41:27 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-14T08:41:39 < upgrdman> why didnt that work?
2015-06-14T08:41:56 < jadew> because the gain of each pixel wasn't linear
2015-06-14T08:42:13 < upgrdman> ah
2015-06-14T08:42:16 < jadew> so for the same ammount of heat difference one pixel might have gone up by 10, another by 20
2015-06-14T08:42:24 < upgrdman> R2COM, congrats
2015-06-14T08:42:54 < jadew> so their offsets would differ at different temperatures
2015-06-14T08:46:33 < upgrdman> jadew, how did you fix? subtract offset and multiply by scalar?
2015-06-14T08:46:50 < jadew> the other way around, but yeah
2015-06-14T08:47:07 < upgrdman> cool
2015-06-14T08:47:40 < jadew> took me a while to figure it out tho
2015-06-14T08:47:47 < jadew> it's sending 6 calibration frames
2015-06-14T08:47:58 < jadew> I didn't know which one it is, nor how it should be computed
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2015-06-14T09:53:44 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/bQ1tJ.png
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2015-06-14T09:56:34 < jadew> not bad eh?
2015-06-14T09:58:58 < jadew> I think I'm getting better quality than on the phone
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2015-06-14T10:48:53 < dongs> making progress?
2015-06-14T10:49:10 < dongs> is dat ZANO LM1117
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2015-06-14T10:50:38 < dongs> jadew: what are you using to upload crap to dump.ro
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2015-06-14T11:06:38 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261890770726 what are thechances these are elgit
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2015-06-14T11:53:16 < scummos> jadew: what are you doing there?
2015-06-14T11:53:20 < scummos> looks cool
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2015-06-14T11:53:29 < scummos> (except for taking thermal pictures, that I can see :D)
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2015-06-14T12:02:37 < rkreis_> jadew, that does look nice :)
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2015-06-14T13:15:35 < upgrdman> dongs, at that price i wonder what the spec's are. leakage current of.... 1A?
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2015-06-14T14:10:24 < dongs> http://www.esslinger.com/images/products/detail/46.715photo2.jpg
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2015-06-14T16:07:26 < Getty> discussing over twitter HTTPS and IoT with someone and he actually says that "html5 and javascript is the modern challenge of IoT devices"
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2015-06-14T17:06:28 < dongs> http://romanoff.com/store/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Paramount_Split__5314adf9d1dda.jpg
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2015-06-14T18:30:04 < jadew> dongs, I wrote something that takes over the printscreen command: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/NxcUR.png
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2015-06-14T18:30:23 < jadew> it can copy the result to clipboard, save it or upload it
2015-06-14T18:30:51 < jadew> scummos, I'm trying to make a windows application for the seek thermal camera
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2015-06-14T18:31:16 < jadew> they announced a SDK last year, but they didn't release it yet
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2015-06-14T18:40:53 < scummos> ok, cool
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2015-06-14T20:33:23 < Tectu> scummos, o/
2015-06-14T20:40:58 < scummos> hi Tectu
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2015-06-14T21:01:26 < fbs> oh shit its Tectu
2015-06-14T21:04:01  * scummos ordered new boards from china via snail mail
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2015-06-14T21:05:06 < Tectu> scummos, you placed the order via snail mail?
2015-06-14T21:05:17 < scummos> :D no
2015-06-14T21:05:22 < scummos> but that's a good idea too
2015-06-14T21:05:25 < scummos> very classy
2015-06-14T21:05:36 < Tectu> :P
2015-06-14T21:06:08 < Tectu> scummos weren't you the guy holding a speach about valgrind at the desktop summit back then?
2015-06-14T21:06:29 < Tectu> scummos, I'm never sure whether it was you or the other guy
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2015-06-14T21:12:12 < scummos> no, wasn't me
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2015-06-14T21:36:05 < karlp> jadew: seek tehrmal's l ooking a lot better, what did  youend up having to do to get it so much better?
2015-06-14T21:36:41 < karlp> nvm, read your further explanation ow
2015-06-14T21:36:43 < Steffanx> fbs is alive. Long time no see
2015-06-14T21:41:30 < fbs> indeed
2015-06-14T21:48:00 < fbs> sup Steffanx
2015-06-14T21:55:11 < Steffanx> busyland.
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2015-06-14T23:14:11 < Tectu> The Netherlands.
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2015-06-15T04:46:49 < dongs> sup innovators
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2015-06-15T05:23:31 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/jgBIf unsure if repost
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2015-06-15T06:02:39 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/rWEHtDa.jpg
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2015-06-15T06:29:33 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/user/kinoyuu0204/videos how
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2015-06-15T07:27:06 < dongs> PeterM: 64,893 views 1 day ago
2015-06-15T07:27:08 < dongs> w t f
2015-06-15T07:30:33 < PeterM> how the fuck does she eat so much? does wifecop eat that much?
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2015-06-15T07:50:17 < dongs> no
2015-06-15T08:01:26 < dongs> haha holy shit
2015-06-15T08:01:35 < dongs> some jap submitted a heater bed thing for 3d dicker PCB
2015-06-15T08:01:40 < dongs> and it has a DIP LPC1114 on it
2015-06-15T08:02:32 < dongs> ST is totally missing out on all the MAKE:R shit
2015-06-15T08:02:36 < dongs> by not having STM32 in DIP
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2015-06-15T08:08:49 < emeb> PaulFertser: ping
2015-06-15T08:11:19 < dongs> dong
2015-06-15T08:11:25 < dongs> are you here to report a bug in OCD
2015-06-15T08:11:54 < dongs> I opened a bug report few days ago on a project https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/issues/18
2015-06-15T08:12:36 < emeb> dongs: nah - trying to get openocd working on a SAMD11
2015-06-15T08:12:46 < dongs> ooo, D11 is out? waht does it do
2015-06-15T08:12:50 < dongs> is that cortexA11 or something?
2015-06-15T08:12:57 < emeb> heh. no
2015-06-15T08:13:05 < dongs> oh low power m0
2015-06-15T08:13:06 < dongs> wtf
2015-06-15T08:13:08 < emeb> cortex m0+
2015-06-15T08:13:12 < dongs> gr8 naming
2015-06-15T08:13:14 < emeb> tiny thing
2015-06-15T08:13:20 < emeb> soic pkg lol
2015-06-15T08:13:45 < dongs> capsense
2015-06-15T08:13:49 < emeb> ya
2015-06-15T08:13:56 < emeb> xtal-less usb
2015-06-15T08:14:01 < dongs> joy
2015-06-15T08:14:03 < emeb> adc / dac
2015-06-15T08:14:15 < dongs> < emeb> garbage atmel adc / dac
2015-06-15T08:14:16 < dongs> ftfy
2015-06-15T08:14:24 < dongs> is it like 200ksps?
2015-06-15T08:14:25 < emeb> yep - 10-bit IIRC
2015-06-15T08:14:48 < emeb> looks like the pinmuxing is a bit more flexible
2015-06-15T08:14:49 < dongs> i wonder if its pin compatible wiht atmega8
2015-06-15T08:17:15 < emeb> dongs: here's latest success story -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32friend/index.html
2015-06-15T08:17:44 < dongs> ya, seen that
2015-06-15T08:17:50 < emeb> got it working yesterday
2015-06-15T08:18:04 < emeb> now can throw out all the FTDI crap :)
2015-06-15T08:18:18 < dongs> still geda :|
2015-06-15T08:18:54 < emeb> did do some custom footprints w/o silk boxes around 'em for the 0603 parts
2015-06-15T08:19:01 < emeb> makes it tighter
2015-06-15T08:19:06 < emeb> twss
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2015-06-15T09:04:23 < upgrdman> dongs, you do some RC shit. any idea what a top-of-the-line charger would be? like 1000+ watts.
2015-06-15T09:04:48 < upgrdman> hobbyking has some, but not sure of the quality
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2015-06-15T09:11:48 < PaulFertser> emeb: pong
2015-06-15T09:12:37 < emeb> PaulFertser: have any experience with SAMD11 parts?
2015-06-15T09:12:47 < emeb> (in openocd)
2015-06-15T09:13:17 < PaulFertser> emeb: not personally, but people send patches for flash support of samd* every now and then. Gimme a minute to gather the info.
2015-06-15T09:13:46 < emeb> PaulFertser: I've got one on the bench here, driving it with openocd v0.9.0 and an STLINK V2
2015-06-15T09:14:04 < emeb> I can get it to recognize the cpu tap id, but nothing works after that.
2015-06-15T09:16:04 < PaulFertser> emeb: can you please provide a -d3 log?
2015-06-15T09:16:16 < PaulFertser> samd11 should work...
2015-06-15T09:16:44 < emeb> PaulFertser: sure
2015-06-15T09:17:00 < emeb> main problem is that I don't have a clue about the right reset / init recipe.
2015-06-15T09:19:21 < emeb> PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/85LEQRsa
2015-06-15T09:21:11 < dongs> upgrdman: whats on hobbyking is probably least likely to catch on fire
2015-06-15T09:21:15 < dongs> especially if comments say so
2015-06-15T09:21:30 < upgrdman> lol srsly?
2015-06-15T09:21:42 < dongs> well, the ones taht catch fire are usually noted as such
2015-06-15T09:21:51 < emeb> PaulFertser: here's a better one that actually connected: http://pastebin.com/mbHdjtyz
2015-06-15T09:22:38 < upgrdman> hobbyking doesnt censor comments?
2015-06-15T09:23:01 < dongs> no
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2015-06-15T09:23:27 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39177__Turnigy_MEGA_1000W_8S_40A_Lithium_Polymer_Balance_Charger.html
2015-06-15T09:23:31 < dongs> check reviews and shit
2015-06-15T09:25:00 < dongs> and you can get 24V50A power supply from same place
2015-06-15T09:25:01 < dongs> heh
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2015-06-15T09:32:25 < emeb> PaulFertser: thx for help - bailing for zzzzzzzz. ttyl
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2015-06-15T09:38:22 < PaulFertser> Damn stlink...
2015-06-15T09:38:42 < PaulFertser> Why the hell didn't they implement 16-bit writes?!
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2015-06-15T09:55:27 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCdsyCWmt8
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2015-06-15T10:22:04 < dongs> Obstical avoidence is key. Take skiing , what's to stop the device from hitting a tree while you winding down the trail. Also indloors the ability to not worrie about hitting things while it tracks you. Hands Down the zano is more useflull.
2015-06-15T10:25:44 < _Sync_> lol
2015-06-15T10:27:58 < Roklobsta> dongs: you doofus, ski ABOVE the tree line.
2015-06-15T10:31:51 < PeterM> dongs, 40A through bana jacks on that charger? wtf?
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2015-06-15T10:37:28 < dongs> ^_^
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2015-06-15T12:37:22 < karlp> dongs: that SEM dude is hardcore
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2015-06-15T13:49:31 < englishman> upgrdman, revolectrix
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2015-06-15T13:50:46 < dongs> karlp: yeah. all that cash from jewtube views, too :(
2015-06-15T14:01:05 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1680369699/smart-radio
2015-06-15T14:01:39 < dongs> typical dumb cop creation
2015-06-15T14:03:33 < dongs> hm
2015-06-15T14:03:54 < dongs> Good day for everybody, Please be so kind and keep me inform about real delivery time. Thank You.
2015-06-15T14:09:59 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/1095462353/12V_24V_36V_48V_60V_72V_4AH.jpg
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2015-06-15T14:16:09 < karlp> dongs: what views? that only has 1200 or something, or does he normally have lots and lots?
2015-06-15T14:16:39 < dongs> er, he has 150k subscribers
2015-06-15T14:16:57 < dongs> he just posted this like yesterday
2015-06-15T14:16:58 < dongs> or osmethign
2015-06-15T14:17:39 < karlp> that cop is only looking for a single backer?!
2015-06-15T14:22:23 < _Sync_> yep
2015-06-15T14:22:25 < _Sync_> wtf
2015-06-15T14:22:56 < _Sync_> dongs karlp, he's not too hardcore
2015-06-15T14:23:04 < _Sync_> and iirc the sem cost him like 2-3k used
2015-06-15T14:29:51 < karlp> he's decoding the sem imagey via scope scample dumps...
2015-06-15T14:30:02 < karlp> sure, anyone can be more hardcore if you have more money for toys and more space
2015-06-15T14:30:09 < karlp> but he's no lightweight
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2015-06-15T14:39:40 < PaulFertser> karlp: I've seen a link to https://twitter.com/freaklabs/status/577452557074702336 but where are the details about getting images by decoding dumps?
2015-06-15T14:40:15 < PaulFertser> Or is it a different dude with a SEM?
2015-06-15T14:41:21 < dongs> different d ude.
2015-06-15T14:41:26 < dongs> those are animefaggot posers
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2015-06-15T14:42:09 < dongs> fucking wankers'
2015-06-15T14:42:17 < dongs> i hate bunnie and all the fucking weebs he collects arond him
2015-06-15T14:44:55 < PaulFertser> dongs: wasn't that SD controller RE project he recently presented with xobs not cool enough? Isn't Novena a real thing, properly designed and actually useful, especially for the tasks that require FPGA on board?
2015-06-15T14:45:35 < PaulFertser> I'm not talking about the crowd or about chumby fans etc.
2015-06-15T14:45:38 < dongs> novena is lunix garbage
2015-06-15T14:45:44 < dongs> crowdsources shitware
2015-06-15T14:45:51 < dongs> who cares about Sd controller RE
2015-06-15T14:48:13 < PaulFertser> Nope, it's a powerful arm board with a fast bus to FPGA, you can do anything with it. It's not some trash for the lemmings.
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2015-06-15T14:53:38 < Lux> Novena, as in that overpriced outdated opensores laptop ?
2015-06-15T14:56:53 < PaulFertser> Lux: it's not a "laptop", it's a dev board suitable for many research purposes.
2015-06-15T14:57:27 < Lux> it was marketed as a laptop when it showed up in the news
2015-06-15T14:57:43 < Lux> like half a year/year ago
2015-06-15T14:57:59 < PaulFertser> It's a "hacker's laptop" which translates as I say.
2015-06-15T15:02:20 < Lux> that's nitpicking
2015-06-15T15:02:58 < PaulFertser> Calling something nitpicking doesn't automatically void the argument.
2015-06-15T15:03:16 < Lux> i'm not voiding it...
2015-06-15T15:03:19 < jpa-> not all laptops compete in the same category
2015-06-15T15:03:24 < Lux> i just don't care ;)
2015-06-15T15:05:53 < Lux> to me just the whole project seems a bit fishy
2015-06-15T15:08:33 < Lux> just forget what i said :P
2015-06-15T15:10:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: I think it'd be hard to deny that bunnie has an impressive skillset and a clue and he's actually producing working and honest hardware; that's not nearly the same as your other favourite "inventors".
2015-06-15T15:17:07 < dongs> its useless as laptop
2015-06-15T15:17:11 < dongs> it still doesnt properly work
2015-06-15T15:17:17 < dongs> it runs lunix, which makes it COMPLETELY useless for any purpose
2015-06-15T15:17:33 < dongs> for the same amount of money you could probably get one of intel xeons with altera fpga shit next to it
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2015-06-15T15:17:46 < dongs> asuming you wanted a cpu+fpga
2015-06-15T15:18:25 < dongs> how many people bought that shit for 'research purposes' and how many were jsut fucking weebs following bunnie vlogs around tokyo wanktown
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2015-06-15T15:19:14 < PaulFertser> I've never seen any vlog of his, didn't even knew he went to Tokyo :)
2015-06-15T15:22:06 < PaulFertser> btw, I've personally used an nvidia tegra2 laptop (running Debian) many times, including dayjob, can't say it was completely useless. So that point is moot.
2015-06-15T15:22:38 < dongs> I am not touching any "laptop" that isnt a core i7 running windows 8.1 pro
2015-06-15T15:23:02 < dongs> all that niche shit is for neckbeards like RMS who like thier sores open, like that MIPS lemote garbage that he chats from
2015-06-15T15:23:40 < PaulFertser> He just sends emails, never chats. IIRC he doesn't even "surf" the web, and instead uses some email-based system to request specific URL's contents.
2015-06-15T15:24:07 < karlp> I think we can all agree that RMS is a precious flower and his usage is not relevant to anyone else in the world.
2015-06-15T15:35:07 < ReadMobl> Wonder if RMS has ever gotten laid
2015-06-15T15:35:36 < jpa-> IIRC he has an essay about getting laid or something
2015-06-15T15:35:45 < jpa-> wasn't very interesting
2015-06-15T15:35:54 < jpa-> unless you have RMS fantasies of course
2015-06-15T15:38:24 < ReadMobl> http://i.imgur.com/JlE9eho.jpg
2015-06-15T15:38:44 < ReadMobl> Japthings
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2015-06-15T15:41:50 < Fleck> i never touch laptop running wincrap :D
2015-06-15T15:42:21 < Fleck> only useful for viruses and spyware anyway :D
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2015-06-15T15:51:02 < Tectu> Fleck, when you're living in 2004 maybe, yes
2015-06-15T15:51:15 < Tectu> where all your pentium 4 laptop does is running a keylogger
2015-06-15T15:51:36 < Tectu> I love how people think that nobody watches them because they're using linux
2015-06-15T15:52:06 < Fleck> same thing happens today
2015-06-15T15:54:34 < jpa-> Tectu: though, with windows the watching is so blatantly obvious :)
2015-06-15T15:54:51 < jpa-> if i can't get security, i atleast want false security!
2015-06-15T15:55:12 < Tectu> jpa-, agreed :P
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2015-06-15T15:57:37 < Tectu> jpa-, I always wonder how much VMWare people are paid for doing funny business
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2015-06-15T16:49:12 < dongs> http://www.linear.com/product/LTC2315-12
2015-06-15T16:49:55 < jadew> ReadMobl, I wouldn't mind a g/f like that
2015-06-15T16:50:16 < jadew> I bet a lot of japanese guys wouldn't mind it either
2015-06-15T16:50:33 < jadew> you just pop-in from time to time, do the deed and leave, so she can get back to her games
2015-06-15T16:50:35 < jadew> PERFECT
2015-06-15T16:55:14 < PeterM> jadew, implying shed need a boyfriend for that prurpose, shed jsut put in a car game or something ,drive into a wall and grind against the controlelr
2015-06-15T16:55:40 < jadew> haha
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2015-06-15T17:02:22 < dongs> http://uniquesalesonline.com/image/cache/data/15mm_fans_front_view-500x500.jpg
2015-06-15T17:02:47 < karlp> cute
2015-06-15T17:02:54 < PeterM> what is the point?
2015-06-15T17:03:17 < dongs> cooling PIC32 on zano
2015-06-15T17:04:48 < PeterM> how bout ditch the stupid cover, props make mad cooling fans bruh
2015-06-15T17:05:37 < PeterM> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/59038305.jpg
2015-06-15T17:06:24 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zekko-nano-quad-rotor#/story linked from zano dickstarter
2015-06-15T17:09:04 < Lux> another campaign selling cx-10 quads ?
2015-06-15T17:09:08 < dongs> yes
2015-06-15T17:09:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/m9kWDzl.jpg
2015-06-15T17:09:14 < dongs> the pcb looks almost liek cx10
2015-06-15T17:09:28 < dongs> http://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1434303322/bu1pbkghqapvjmhiwhcv.jpg
2015-06-15T17:09:42 < Lux> definetly cx-10
2015-06-15T17:10:10 < Lux> there are like >3 pcb revisions
2015-06-15T17:12:59 < _Sync_> ahhh the good old dongs lennox hate
2015-06-15T17:13:08 < _Sync_> like windows does it all
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2015-06-15T17:19:04 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/MULTICOMP-MC34113-AXIAL-10MM-3VDC/dp/B00HPLB2MM
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2015-06-15T17:58:44 < kakimir> is #if !SOMETHING ok?
2015-06-15T17:59:32 < kakimir> something being 0 or false
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2015-06-15T18:06:47 < emeb> PaulFertser: saw your comment re stlink & 16-bit
2015-06-15T18:07:04 < emeb> see something in the -d3 dump I put up?
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2015-06-15T18:53:33 < dongs> kakimir: if its #defines as 1 or 0 yes
2015-06-15T18:53:38 < dongs> but if its NOT defined then it wont work
2015-06-15T18:54:23 < dongs> and it better not be "0 or false" but make up your mind
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2015-06-15T19:50:39 < PaulFertser> emeb: pong
2015-06-15T19:50:59 < PaulFertser> emeb: well, the problem is with stlink itself. I can provide you a patch to try, but I've no clue if samd will like it or not.
2015-06-15T19:52:29 < emeb> PaulFertser: OK - so there's something wrong with the interface layer.
2015-06-15T19:52:45 < emeb> I suppose an alternative would be better - something like jlink?
2015-06-15T19:52:56 < PaulFertser> emeb: sure, jlink is a low-level adapter, no issues with 16-bit writes.
2015-06-15T19:53:00 < PaulFertser> Or cmsis-dap.
2015-06-15T19:53:09 < PaulFertser> Do you have something handy?
2015-06-15T19:53:33 < emeb> I've got a jlink here. Haven't used it in a while but can probably get it up in a moment.
2015-06-15T19:53:41 < PaulFertser> It's just that stm32 doesn't really need 16-bit writes anywhere, so they didn't implement this functionality at all in stlink firmware.
2015-06-15T19:54:25 < emeb> Interesting
2015-06-15T19:55:46 < emeb> OK, got it hooked up. Need to fix up my interface line.
2015-06-15T19:56:30 < karlp> PaulFertser: they use 16bit writes for flash on f1 though....
2015-06-15T19:57:19 < emeb> PaulFertser: what's the proper transport for jlink?
2015-06-15T19:58:16 < PaulFertser> karlp: I see it only in the case when working area is not available, I guess nobody tested that with stlink since long.
2015-06-15T19:58:23 < PaulFertser> emeb: "transport select swd"
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2015-06-15T20:00:29 < emeb> PaulFertser: Looks like that worked.
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2015-06-15T20:01:06 < emeb> PaulFertser: thx for the help. I was wondering if there might be STM32-specific stuff in using ST-Link. Now I know.
2015-06-15T20:01:07 < PaulFertser> emeb: nice to hear. Probably you want to add "verify" to your "program" command as in -c "program my.elf verify reset exit"
2015-06-15T20:01:30 < emeb> yup - verified OK
2015-06-15T20:01:46 < PaulFertser> Cool
2015-06-15T20:02:07 < emeb> Sounds like another caveat for the openocd dox. :)
2015-06-15T20:02:28 < Laurenceb__> blerg
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2015-06-15T20:02:40 < Laurenceb__> this is why i use texane
2015-06-15T20:02:55 < karlp> Laurenceb__: to program atmel dXX devices? ;)
2015-06-15T20:03:01 < Laurenceb__> doh
2015-06-15T20:03:25 < Laurenceb__> wait.. surely atmel studio will do it?
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2015-06-15T20:03:28 < karlp> emeb: what, "stlink doesn't block other devices, but it only has the high level commands needed for programmin stm32 parts, your device may or may not need other thigns..."
2015-06-15T20:03:49 < emeb> karlp: Yep - exactly.
2015-06-15T20:03:57 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: lol
2015-06-15T20:05:08 < PaulFertser> karlp: I'd add some specifics about known limitations too. So far the most obvious are lack of DAP-level access (so you can't e.g. unlock Kinetis with it) and lack of 16-bit writes (and reads but those are usually emulated with 8-bit reads just fine).
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2015-06-15T20:07:09 < bvernoux> PaulFertser, I still do not see any interest of using Kinetix stuff versus NXP LPC or STM32 MCU
2015-06-15T20:07:19 < bvernoux> PaulFertser, maybe you have good argument ?
2015-06-15T20:07:54 < karlp> what part does atmel dxx need? would it be skipped by having a flash loader maybe?
2015-06-15T20:08:00 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: nope, just that plenty of industry projects are already Kinetis based. And they also promise faster bitbanging, not sure why anyone might need that.
2015-06-15T20:08:16 < PaulFertser> karlp: 16bit writes
2015-06-15T20:08:18 < bvernoux> bitbanging is deprecated ;)
2015-06-15T20:08:23 < bvernoux> it's removed from M7
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2015-06-15T20:08:43 < bvernoux> as it's a fail no anyone use it especially when there is good GPIO peripheral for that (with DMA)
2015-06-15T20:09:24 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: not bit-banding
2015-06-15T20:09:40 < bvernoux> ha yeah bitbanging ;)
2015-06-15T20:10:16 < bvernoux> but i doubt freescale MCU have better bitbanging vs ST/NXP (especially NXP which have SGPIO)
2015-06-15T20:13:07 < bvernoux> also what will happen for Freescale Kinetis as now Freescale is part of NXP
2015-06-15T20:13:22 < bvernoux> I doubt they will destroy NXP LPC and keep Kinetis ;)
2015-06-15T20:13:29 < karlp> PaulFertser: right, but I mean, is that the _only_ way of talking to atmel dxx? or is it only required for certain ops?
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2015-06-15T20:21:07 < PaulFertser> karlp: writing a special helper would help, of course. Probably even just changing problematic 16-bit writes to 32-bit writes would work, depends on how the part will treat writes to those reserved locations, but I think it should be ok.
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2015-06-15T21:36:19 < Tectu> does this look like a bad idea to you guys as well? http://paste.ugfx.org/show/5c501f9bce
2015-06-15T21:38:26 < jpa-> umm.. how would line 8 ever execute after line 5?
2015-06-15T21:38:47 < jpa-> and is this qt or ugfx :D
2015-06-15T21:39:23 < Tectu> jpa-, even better:     outside of that code it's like     graphicsScene->remove(item);   delete item;
2015-06-15T21:39:27 < Tectu> so double fault  <3
2015-06-15T21:39:49 < Tectu> jpa-, it's uGFX-Studio which is built around the qt framework for wowness
2015-06-15T21:39:57 < jpa-> such wows
2015-06-15T21:40:12 < jpa-> crashing faster than zano?
2015-06-15T21:41:11 < Tectu> lol :D
2015-06-15T21:41:12 < Steffanx> ugfx creator exists, zano doesn't ;)
2015-06-15T21:41:26 < jpa-> what? blasphemy!
2015-06-15T21:41:49 < jpa-> zano is flying to your door right now! i'm sure they've been so busy shipping that no updates for a few weeks
2015-06-15T21:48:52 < PaulFertser> Tectu: why no smartpointers?
2015-06-15T21:49:19 < Tectu> PaulFertser, because I never used them
2015-06-15T21:50:32 < PaulFertser> Tectu: RAII seems to be a very useful approach in C++ nowadays, and it's quite easy with unique_ptr and shared_ptr which are part of the c++11 standard.
2015-06-15T21:51:53 < Tectu> PaulFertser, I should probably take a look into that indeed
2015-06-15T21:52:01 < Tectu> PaulFertser, afaik Qt has even their own smart pointer magic
2015-06-15T22:03:25 < jadew> man, I always forget what RAII refers to
2015-06-15T22:04:45 < jadew> ffs, they should have come up with a different name
2015-06-15T22:07:20 < jadew> Qt has a lot of stuff that's not needed anymore
2015-06-15T22:07:35 < jadew> better options existed for a long time
2015-06-15T22:09:20 < _Sync_> jadew: the problem is, you need that on every arch
2015-06-15T22:09:33 < jadew> _Sync_, yes boost
2015-06-15T22:10:00 < jadew> and now the stl, because a lot of the boost code ended up in the stl
2015-06-15T22:10:31 < jadew> so a lot of that crap can be done natively
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2015-06-15T22:18:23 < Laurenceb__> wait so ugfx is going to be qt compatible?
2015-06-15T22:22:10 < Steffanx> lol
2015-06-15T22:22:20 < Laurenceb__> that would be an epic idea
2015-06-15T22:22:27 < Steffanx> not really
2015-06-15T22:22:31 < Laurenceb__> ppl are running embedded linux just to get qt
2015-06-15T22:22:34 < Laurenceb__> supposedly...
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2015-06-15T22:22:52 < Steffanx> qt doesnt need lunix does it?
2015-06-15T22:22:59 < Laurenceb__> no
2015-06-15T22:23:39 < Steffanx> i mean such pro https://youtu.be/P9k8_uA5Xjg?t=48s :P
2015-06-15T22:23:52 < Steffanx> oh thats with lunix
2015-06-15T22:24:33 < Laurenceb__> wonder if thats the stock F7 discovery?
2015-06-15T22:24:45 < Steffanx> will probably take a while
2015-06-15T22:24:59 < Steffanx> you really want a tarduino compatible 50$ discovery?
2015-06-15T22:25:08 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-06-15T22:25:30 < Steffanx> im not joking
2015-06-15T22:25:58 < Laurenceb__> probably not, havent got time to do anything with it
2015-06-15T22:26:03 < Laurenceb__> gui stuff is boring
2015-06-15T22:26:14 < Steffanx> still rockooning?
2015-06-15T22:26:26 < Laurenceb__> writing lots of papers atm
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2015-06-16T00:05:19 < zyp> got another answer from digikey, sounds like f429 is also rev1 only
2015-06-16T00:17:28 < karlp> so rev 3 is, "we know how to fix it, and iyou contact us to buy 10k, we'll actually make rev3 for  you" ?
2015-06-16T00:24:33 < zyp> probably
2015-06-16T00:25:10 < zyp> mouser still haven't given me a useful answer yet, but I assume it'll be the same
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2015-06-16T04:30:02 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/afe1256
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2015-06-16T05:55:58 < dongs> wow this NTT fax machine I got
2015-06-16T05:56:03 < dongs> its compltely amazing
2015-06-16T05:56:13 < dongs> it will save faxes to SD card in .jpg and .tiff
2015-06-16T05:56:19 < dongs> i dont evne need to print them!
2015-06-16T06:11:40 < upgrdman> people still fax these days?
2015-06-16T06:12:39 < PeterM> can't you just use a software fax?
2015-06-16T06:22:17 < jadew> I just gave Qt a serious try and I'm completely disappointed
2015-06-16T06:22:37 < jadew> so freaking painful to use
2015-06-16T06:24:19 < dongs> lol qt is garbage
2015-06-16T06:24:25 < jadew> then there's Qt Creator to make the experience that much worse, half the time I didn't know what's going on my freaking screen
2015-06-16T06:24:25 < dongs> only lunix dweebs like that shit
2015-06-16T06:24:44 < dongs> PeterM: like wat, that would require a fax modem card or somethign
2015-06-16T06:25:10 < jadew> fax machine?
2015-06-16T06:25:11 < jadew> lol
2015-06-16T06:25:22 < dongs> 2015 dude.
2015-06-16T06:25:22 < jadew> I thought everyone moved to e-mail
2015-06-16T06:26:25 < dongs> https://web116.jp/shop/goods/268sd/img/p_268sd_big.jpg
2015-06-16T06:26:28 < dongs> its actually not bad
2015-06-16T06:26:32 < dongs> has touchscreen and shit
2015-06-16T06:26:43 < dongs> you can preview stuff before printing
2015-06-16T06:26:49 < dongs> or as I'm going to do, just save shit to SD every time
2015-06-16T06:28:46 < jadew> looks neat
2015-06-16T06:29:10 < jadew> but the question still stands, do you actually receive faxes?
2015-06-16T06:29:19 < dongs> thats all japs use
2015-06-16T06:29:22 < dongs> i just got a fax today
2015-06-16T06:29:43 < jadew> that's so weird
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2015-06-16T06:43:10 < englishman> whats a fax machine
2015-06-16T06:43:36 < englishman> whats a landline
2015-06-16T06:44:09 < englishman> surely they have found a way to transmit images over theinternet
2015-06-16T06:44:17 < englishman> even over 128k isdn
2015-06-16T06:45:41 < dongs> actually my fax is connected to voip to ISDN converter which then goes into ISDN pbx which turns it into a landline which is connected to the fax machine
2015-06-16T06:46:06 < englishman> is japan stuck in 1998
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2015-06-16T06:50:28 < dongs> do you even have to ask
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2015-06-16T07:30:42 < upgrdman> tentacle port and fax machines. because japan.
2015-06-16T07:30:47 < upgrdman> *porn
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2015-06-16T07:43:47 < dongs> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/15/sonya-baumstein-abandons-pacific-rowing-challenge-due-to-bad-weather lol
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2015-06-16T07:48:23 < jadew> I guess she was planning to take some of that fat off
2015-06-16T07:49:25 < jadew> she figured that by the time the trip was done she'd look like a super model
2015-06-16T07:51:26 < jadew> 250 km - still not bad
2015-06-16T07:52:49 < jadew> this reminds me of cast away and water world
2015-06-16T07:53:20 < PeterM> jadew i know cross-arctic hikers etc need to stack  on the weight before they go, even if they just eat tubs of butter they can't get enough enrgy intto themselves to break even
2015-06-16T07:53:54 < jadew> PeterM, that actually crossed my mind
2015-06-16T07:54:50 < jadew> do you think she had fishing gear on that boat?
2015-06-16T07:55:13 < jadew> and if yes - an oven too?
2015-06-16T07:55:25 < jadew> or a stove at least
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2015-06-16T07:56:40 < jadew> I wonder if I'd take canned fish with me on a trip like this
2015-06-16T07:58:20 < PeterM> depends on how long her trip was going to take - if it was going to be relatively short it would be less weight adn effort to just take pre-prepared meals
2015-06-16T07:58:44 < jadew> PeterM, until september
2015-06-16T07:58:51 < jadew> so several months
2015-06-16T07:58:54 < PeterM> i'd say there would be a bit of both (pre-prepared and fishing gear), i cant imagine every day youd want to fish for dinner
2015-06-16T07:59:20 < PeterM> after rowing for several hours straight
2015-06-16T07:59:30 < jadew> well, you can fish while you row
2015-06-16T07:59:51 < PeterM> how productively though?
2015-06-16T08:00:00 < jadew> it would actually be more efficient, cuz the bait would become more visible and attractive to the fish
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2015-06-16T08:00:09 < PeterM> anyway - im no expert on this so your oppinion is as vaslid as mine
2015-06-16T08:00:43 < jadew> I only fished as a kid, but I remember that when I was moving the bait, I was having better luck
2015-06-16T08:01:17 < jadew> I suppose a moving thing is easier to spot
2015-06-16T08:01:21 < upgrdman> i tried fishing once. the only thing i managed to catch was a twig. :(
2015-06-16T08:01:40 < jadew> heh
2015-06-16T08:02:11 < jadew> I actually cought a few fish, but nothing impressive
2015-06-16T08:04:13 < jadew> time for bed
2015-06-16T08:04:14 < jadew> night
2015-06-16T08:05:00 < upgrdman> that row boat girl should have collaborated with felix bum gardner
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2015-06-16T09:41:10 < jpa-> http://arduino.stackexchange.com/questions/12664/how-to-avoid-that-my-arduino-clicks-eternally   luls
2015-06-16T09:42:05 < jpa-> especially the "buy a new one" answer
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2015-06-16T13:09:17 < Ecco> Hi :)
2015-06-16T13:09:46 < Ecco> I'd like to purchase some new gear
2015-06-16T13:09:58 < Ecco> More specifically, i'd like an all-around power supply
2015-06-16T13:10:44 < Ecco> (something that can provide at least DC from 0 to let's say 20V) with a decent amount of current (at least 1A). Also constant current would be great. And DC might be helpful I guess.
2015-06-16T13:10:50 < Ecco> Do you guys have any recommendation?
2015-06-16T13:11:52 < jon1012> someone has an example of using the DMA to push bits to gpio ?
2015-06-16T13:12:12 < jon1012> I have to bitbang large amounts of data to several shift registers on the same clock
2015-06-16T13:12:26 < jon1012> DMA seems like a good way doing it, but I can't find any example of code that could be useful
2015-06-16T13:12:48 < jon1012> (in C or C++ by the way, not assembly)
2015-06-16T13:13:59 < _Sync_> Ecco: any lab supply will do then
2015-06-16T13:14:16 < jon1012> (on an stm32f4 by the way)
2015-06-16T13:14:20 < Ecco> _Sync_ Yeah I guess
2015-06-16T13:14:28 < Ecco> But I don't know which to pick
2015-06-16T13:14:48 < Ecco> I'd like something that would be decent yet not too expensive
2015-06-16T13:15:01 < _Sync_> get an older hp
2015-06-16T13:15:03 < Ecco> pretty much like the FX-888D soldering iron
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2015-06-16T13:25:18 < Ecco> So regarding lab power supplies
2015-06-16T13:25:25 < Ecco> HP ones seems to be expensive
2015-06-16T13:26:16 < Ecco> Are there any other brand I could look up?
2015-06-16T13:27:47 < _Sync_> you should be getting something reasonable for under $100
2015-06-16T13:28:10 < Ecco> Used or new?
2015-06-16T13:30:23 < jubatus> why do you need a lab psu for microcontroller work ?
2015-06-16T13:30:34 < Ecco> Good question
2015-06-16T13:31:17 < Ecco> I don't *need* it
2015-06-16T13:31:26 < Ecco> but I thought it would be convenient to test LCD panels
2015-06-16T13:31:39 < Ecco> (One I got needs +16V)
2015-06-16T13:33:56 < jubatus> use an old laptop adaptor
2015-06-16T13:34:09 < jubatus> I think toshibas used to be 15V
2015-06-16T13:34:17 < Ecco> Yeah, I could find a hack
2015-06-16T13:34:31 < Ecco> But I thought a nice power supply might prove handy in general
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2015-06-16T13:51:07 < Ecco> don't you think?
2015-06-16T13:52:41 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/361319240731
2015-06-16T13:53:01 < dongs> jon1012: easy
2015-06-16T13:53:05 < _Sync_> Ecco: used
2015-06-16T13:53:10 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T13:53:29 < jon1012> dongs, ok for easy, got any example out there ? :)
2015-06-16T13:53:39 < dongs> jon1012: set destination address to gpioX->ODR
2015-06-16T13:53:42 < dongs> source = memory
2015-06-16T13:53:46 < dongs> use timer to clock dma
2015-06-16T13:53:50 < jon1012> I never used dma on stm32 yet
2015-06-16T13:53:52 < dongs> and i think you can pick any dma channel
2015-06-16T13:54:00 < dongs> o cocks. well, i did that 16 channel dmx thing with gpio
2015-06-16T13:54:04 < dongs> but im trying to find where the fuck the code is
2015-06-16T13:54:38 < jon1012> thanks
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2015-06-16T14:41:19 < jpa-> jon1012: this does streaming bitbang for SPI using GPIO DMA: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/765ed48a3b96268606985c000a4af675c21867a7/Runtime/fpga.c
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2015-06-16T14:41:44 < jpa-> a bit more complex than a minimal example would be as it is loading from the flash at the same time
2015-06-16T14:42:11 < stukdev> new version of stCubeMx 4.8.0
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2015-06-16T14:42:36 < jpa-> jon1012: relevant part is mostly lines 190-195
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2015-06-16T14:52:06 < stukdev> i'm the only that have problem with Virtual Com port? sometime when i power up the board windows can't open the com, i've to power off/on the board until i can open the port
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2015-06-16T15:04:47 < Ecco> stukdev: Not using windows, can't help :(
2015-06-16T15:05:04 < Ecco> Guys, what would be the cheapest Cortex-M4 manufacturer?
2015-06-16T15:05:06 < stukdev> Ecco: what do you use in linux to open virtual com?
2015-06-16T15:05:12 < Ecco> stukdev: OSX
2015-06-16T15:05:29 < jpa-> why would you go for cheapest, instead of best value for price?
2015-06-16T15:05:31 < Ecco> but anyway, it's just plug'n'play.
2015-06-16T15:05:35 < stukdev> Ecco: its the same...what software?
2015-06-16T15:05:36 < jpa-> which is pretty much STM32F4
2015-06-16T15:05:43 < stukdev> Ecco: ok but to open the serial?
2015-06-16T15:05:48 < Ecco> jpa-: How do you estimate "value" ?
2015-06-16T15:06:01 < Ecco> stukdev: openocd?
2015-06-16T15:06:07 < Ecco> I'm afraid I quite don't get your question :(
2015-06-16T15:06:16 < jpa-> Ecco: by what you can accomplish - compare the LPC17xx crap, which has cortex-m3 but useless peripherals
2015-06-16T15:06:40 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-06-16T15:06:46 < Ecco> In the design I'm considering
2015-06-16T15:06:50 < Ecco> I need SPI
2015-06-16T15:06:54 < Ecco> and a few GPIOs
2015-06-16T15:07:01 < Ecco> And that's pretty much it
2015-06-16T15:07:25 < stukdev> Ecco: you have a Virtual Com port, how its called in osx tty?
2015-06-16T15:07:37 < Ecco> /dev/ttyusbserial.foobar
2015-06-16T15:07:41 < Ecco> (foobar depends on the driver)
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2015-06-16T15:09:11 < stukdev> Ecco: oh ok
2015-06-16T15:09:23 < stukdev> so you open /dev/ttyusbserial.foobar
2015-06-16T15:09:33 < Ecco> I use minicom when I want to do serial I/O
2015-06-16T15:09:49 < Ecco> but yeah
2015-06-16T15:09:58 < stukdev> Ecco: yes i try that but its says cannot open serial com so i think its not a problem of os, but of driver
2015-06-16T15:10:23 < jpa-> Ecco: why do you need cortex-m4?
2015-06-16T15:10:40 < Ecco> jpa-: Now that is a good question
2015-06-16T15:10:51 < Ecco> Maybe I could get away with a lower-specced core
2015-06-16T15:11:10 < Ecco> Thing is, there's very little RAM in the Cortex-M0
2015-06-16T15:11:29 < Ecco> I'm planning to have a framebuffer of at least 128x128
2015-06-16T15:11:32 < Ecco> x8bpp
2015-06-16T15:11:32 < jpa-> ram does increase cost, no matter what vendor
2015-06-16T15:11:43 < Ecco> So taht's at least 16 Kb
2015-06-16T15:11:51 < Ecco> plus I'll probably need a bunch of RAM in my application
2015-06-16T15:11:52 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-16T15:11:53 < jpa-> are you making a large amount of devices or one-off?
2015-06-16T15:12:00 < Ecco> Large
2015-06-16T15:12:10 < jpa-> 1k? 100k? 10M?
2015-06-16T15:12:18 < Ecco> But I was told it doesn't make sense to reach to ST unless you're over 100K units
2015-06-16T15:12:24 < Ecco> which will not be the case soon
2015-06-16T15:12:36 < Ecco> So I'm basing my costs off of Farnell's prices
2015-06-16T15:12:55 < dongs> jon1012: did jpa's stuff help
2015-06-16T15:13:13 < englishman> this sounds like a solution for raspberry pi
2015-06-16T15:13:15 < jpa-> Ecco: stm32f1 is pretty cheap also, and comes with enough ram
2015-06-16T15:14:03 < Ecco> Out of curiosity, what cores does it use?
2015-06-16T15:14:11 < dongs> google
2015-06-16T15:14:17 < Ecco> yeah ok :)
2015-06-16T15:14:25 < Ecco> Thing is ST's page doesn't say
2015-06-16T15:14:34 < Ecco> It probably depends on sub-models
2015-06-16T15:14:45 < Ecco> STM32F100 is M3@24MHz
2015-06-16T15:14:48 < Ecco> I could work with that :)
2015-06-16T15:15:08 < Ecco> Well, only 32 Kb of RAM though :(
2015-06-16T15:15:28 < Ecco> (at most)
2015-06-16T15:16:00 < Ecco> Hmmm
2015-06-16T15:16:17 < Ecco> Farnell quotes it at 3.11€ per 4000+
2015-06-16T15:16:27 < dongs> what makes you think you need more
2015-06-16T15:16:49 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/stm32prices/  is one way to go :P
2015-06-16T15:16:53 < Ecco> vs 2.87€ for the STM32F4 M4 with 64Kb of RAM
2015-06-16T15:17:03 < Ecco> jpa-: Oh, interesting
2015-06-16T15:17:07 < jon1012> jpa-, dongs, thanks
2015-06-16T15:17:15 < Ecco> dongs: Well, I don't know yet
2015-06-16T15:17:24 < Ecco> I *may* need more, it'll depend on the software
2015-06-16T15:17:39 < jpa-> Ecco: first make a proto, only after that figure out the final hw
2015-06-16T15:17:44 < jon1012> I haven't looked yet, just back from lunch
2015-06-16T15:17:50 < Ecco> jpa-: Good advice
2015-06-16T15:17:59 < Ecco> I already made a proto using STM32F429 Disco
2015-06-16T15:18:21 < Ecco> It's far from finished though
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2015-06-16T15:18:56 < Ecco> Oh so apparently the number of pins on the package is a significant price factor
2015-06-16T15:19:20 < dongs> noway
2015-06-16T15:19:34 < dongs> anyway, F103CB is rougly $2.something in trays from  wvshare.
2015-06-16T15:19:35 < Ecco> Thank you *very much* to whoever made the comparison charts BTW
2015-06-16T15:20:59 < jpa-> np
2015-06-16T15:21:16 < Ecco> That's very useful
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2015-06-16T15:26:50 < Ecco> I'm trying to learn Altium
2015-06-16T15:26:59 < dongs> learn circuitmaker
2015-06-16T15:27:01 < Ecco> (and building PCBs in general)
2015-06-16T15:27:02 < Ecco> Oh
2015-06-16T15:27:10 < Ecco> Ok, I've seen and ad for it
2015-06-16T15:27:19 < Ecco> but couldn't figure out what it really was
2015-06-16T15:27:25 < Ecco> How does it compare to Altium Designer?
2015-06-16T15:28:43 < Ecco> And how comes it's free?
2015-06-16T15:28:49 < Ecco> (I guess there are limitations…)
2015-06-16T15:29:10 < dongs> its fre bcause its for non-pros
2015-06-16T15:29:37 < Ecco> So does the license forbid you from building commercial products with it?
2015-06-16T15:29:44 < Ecco> What's the "catch"?
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2015-06-16T15:29:59 < dongs> all the filesa re stored at altium servers,a nd are automatically opensores
2015-06-16T15:30:00 < Ecco> IOW, why will they keep selling Designer?
2015-06-16T15:30:03 < Ecco> Oh
2015-06-16T15:30:08 < Ecco> So it *has* to be open?
2015-06-16T15:30:25 < dongs> it doesn't have to, but anyone can browse to it online
2015-06-16T15:30:43 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T15:30:47 < Ecco> I'll give it a go
2015-06-16T15:30:59 < Ecco> I'm trying to figure out which CAD software to learn
2015-06-16T15:31:12 < Ecco> Should I go with Eagle, Altium Designer or CircuitMaker?
2015-06-16T15:31:25 < jon1012> kicad ?
2015-06-16T15:31:26 < jpa-> do you have enough money for altium?
2015-06-16T15:31:32 < jpa-> if yes, go for it
2015-06-16T15:31:35 < Ecco> jon1012: Or KiCad yes
2015-06-16T15:31:45 < Ecco> jpa-: To be honest I don't have enough money now
2015-06-16T15:32:00 < Ecco> I guess I should give you guys more background
2015-06-16T15:32:01 < dongs> haha kikecad
2015-06-16T15:32:09 < Ecco> I'll probably try to raise some money pretty soon
2015-06-16T15:32:22 < Ecco> But I'd like to have everything "planned" before I do
2015-06-16T15:32:28 < dongs> dickstarter?
2015-06-16T15:32:33 < dongs> you dont need to plan anything before dickstarting
2015-06-16T15:32:33 < Ecco> nope :(
2015-06-16T15:32:38 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-16T15:32:45 < Ecco> No, no kickstarter
2015-06-16T15:32:49 < Ecco> I don't like it
2015-06-16T15:32:55 < dongs> indienono?
2015-06-16T15:33:08 < dongs> you can easily scam chinese shit on there
2015-06-16T15:33:09 < Ecco> It's all about making a douchebagy video and promising a product in 5 years
2015-06-16T15:33:12 < dongs> you don't even need to make anything
2015-06-16T15:33:14 < dongs> yes
2015-06-16T15:33:16 < dongs> and getting paid
2015-06-16T15:33:18 < dongs> wheres the problem?
2015-06-16T15:33:19 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-16T15:33:20 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-16T15:33:37 < jpa-> but you also need to make a few fake schematics to keep the backers happy
2015-06-16T15:33:42 < jpa-> so altium is a must
2015-06-16T15:34:26 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-16T15:39:42 < karlp> fuck me, atmel keeps introducing yet more letter prefixes to their SAM  series
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2015-06-16T15:51:26 < Ecco> Ok I just installed CircuitMaker
2015-06-16T15:51:31 < Ecco> holy shit is that amazing
2015-06-16T15:51:36 < Ecco> What's the catch?
2015-06-16T15:51:42 < Ecco> I mean it can't just be free
2015-06-16T15:52:03 < jon1012> doesn't work on linux
2015-06-16T15:52:10 < jon1012> this is a huge catch, it means I can't use it ;)
2015-06-16T15:52:12 < Ecco> Yeah nor on OS X
2015-06-16T15:52:17 < Ecco> That's what VirtualBox is for
2015-06-16T15:52:22 < jon1012> bwah
2015-06-16T15:52:28 < jon1012> and it doesn't work with wine either
2015-06-16T15:53:13 < Ecco> So I'm trying to use an ZIF FPC connector in CircuitMaker
2015-06-16T15:53:22 < Ecco> and it also display the price from various providers
2015-06-16T15:53:24 < Ecco> which is awesome
2015-06-16T15:53:32 < Ecco> but I see that it's like $2 / connector
2015-06-16T15:53:35 < Ecco> how is that possible?
2015-06-16T15:55:44 < stukdev> any idea why add software can break usb? maybe stack? or any other idea?
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2015-06-16T16:07:40 < Ecco> stukdev: No idea
2015-06-16T16:08:22 < Ecco> Ok so for instance
2015-06-16T16:08:37 < Ecco> How do I find a standard header connector in CircuitMaker?
2015-06-16T16:09:17 < Ecco> Stuff like those for example: http://www.asia.ru/images/target/img/product/11/63/16/11631629.jpg
2015-06-16T16:13:02 < dongs> < jon1012> doesn't work on linux
2015-06-16T16:13:11 < dongs> not working on lunix or fagos is a plus in my book
2015-06-16T16:13:15 < dongs> because that means it actualyl works
2015-06-16T16:13:26 < dongs> since developers are focused on making it work on one platform that everyone uses
2015-06-16T16:13:26 < jon1012> dongs, tsss
2015-06-16T16:13:30 < dongs> instead of being shit on all 3
2015-06-16T16:13:35 < dongs> so true, i know it hurts
2015-06-16T16:13:46 < jon1012> dongs, I only use linux :) and I only use software that actually works
2015-06-16T16:14:22 < dongs> so then you're staring at a 80x25 text console with a cursor blikning upper left
2015-06-16T16:14:23 < dongs> right?
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2015-06-16T16:14:30 < dongs> cuz thats the extent of "working" of lunix software
2015-06-16T16:14:51 < Ecco> dongs: You like mashing up words together don't you?
2015-06-16T16:15:01 < dongs> Ecco: place->part, then search in the "ciiva" library.
2015-06-16T16:15:04 < jon1012> dongs, nope... I have a full desktop...
2015-06-16T16:15:08 < Ecco> dongs: Yeah I just did that
2015-06-16T16:15:10 < dongs> start with like "header" or something and go from there.
2015-06-16T16:15:12 < Ecco> But I have no clue what to search
2015-06-16T16:15:14 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T16:15:19 < Ecco> But here are like 100k+ "headers"
2015-06-16T16:15:21 < jon1012> dongs, gnome-shell actually
2015-06-16T16:15:26 < dongs> jon1012: i'm sorry to hear that.
2015-06-16T16:15:28 < Ecco> I'm on ciiva.com right now it's more convenient
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2015-06-16T16:17:32 < stukdev> is there an example of Virtual Com Port of stm32f4 discovery?
2015-06-16T16:17:36 < Ecco> hmm apparently te.com is the place to go
2015-06-16T16:18:31 < karlp> stukdev: it's in the examples package that comes with the board....
2015-06-16T16:18:42 < karlp> stukdev: you did look for the files that go with the board first didn't you?
2015-06-16T16:19:37 < dongs> karlp: actually there isnt one in stdperiphlib heh
2015-06-16T16:19:40 < dongs> maybe some trash in cube
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2015-06-16T16:25:55 < dongs> CODE-39
2015-06-16T16:25:57 < dongs> wow
2015-06-16T16:26:01 < dongs> thisis *crazy*
2015-06-16T16:26:12 < dongs> galaxys6 has some test/diagnostic menu thing
2015-06-16T16:26:18 < jadew> what is that thing called when you are high on something and when it runs off you feel down?
2015-06-16T16:26:18 < dongs> with a "barcode emulator" in it
2015-06-16T16:26:31 < dongs> all you do is point it at some flat surface
2015-06-16T16:26:33 < Ecco> Ok found my part
2015-06-16T16:26:39 < Ecco> The keyword was "2.54"
2015-06-16T16:26:40 < dongs> then try to scan it with a lser scanner
2015-06-16T16:26:41 < dongs> and it works.
2015-06-16T16:26:43 < dongs> ???
2015-06-16T16:27:15 < Ecco> (for the header in CircuitWorks)
2015-06-16T16:27:36 < dongs> CODE-39
2015-06-16T16:28:13 < Laurenceb> can anyone recommend a 3.3v LDO for me?
2015-06-16T16:28:34 < Laurenceb> I need <30µA quiescent current
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2015-06-16T16:28:58 < Laurenceb>  ~150mA max output, sot package, <200mV dropout
2015-06-16T16:29:08 < dongs> uh
2015-06-16T16:29:13 < Laurenceb> atm looking at ltc1844, but transient response is crap
2015-06-16T16:29:28 < dongs> LP2992, SPX3819, RT9193, etc
2015-06-16T16:29:36 < dongs> MCP1804
2015-06-16T16:29:36 < dongs> etc
2015-06-16T16:29:48 < Laurenceb> reading
2015-06-16T16:31:17 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2015-06-16T16:31:21 < Laurenceb> i fail at reading
2015-06-16T16:31:35 < Laurenceb> ltc1844 beats what i have atm for transients
2015-06-16T16:31:44 < Laurenceb> atm i use tps73233
2015-06-16T16:32:00 < Laurenceb> ltc it is
2015-06-16T16:32:15 < dongs> CODE-39
2015-06-16T16:32:23 < dongs> CODE-39
2015-06-16T16:32:28 < Laurenceb> wut
2015-06-16T16:32:29 < dongs> this is madness
2015-06-16T16:32:38 < dongs> hOW DOES THIS WORK
2015-06-16T16:34:40 < dongs> ok its infrared
2015-06-16T16:34:44 < dongs> found purple emitter in front of phone
2015-06-16T16:34:46 < dongs> but wtf
2015-06-16T16:35:01 < Laurenceb> THIS IS SPARTA
2015-06-16T16:35:03 < Ecco> What are you talking about?
2015-06-16T16:35:09 < Laurenceb> SPARTAAAAA
2015-06-16T16:35:20 < dongs> Ecco: phone generates something w/IR that is scannable by a barcode scanner
2015-06-16T16:35:27 < Ecco> but… why?
2015-06-16T16:35:32 < dongs> fuck knows
2015-06-16T16:35:35 < dongs> i found it in diagnostic menu
2015-06-16T16:35:39 < dongs> it supports like ~10 different barcodes
2015-06-16T16:35:48 < Ecco> So you point it to a flat surface
2015-06-16T16:35:52 < Ecco> and it beams a barcode
2015-06-16T16:35:56 < Ecco> that another device can rea?
2015-06-16T16:35:58 < Ecco> read?
2015-06-16T16:36:00 < dongs> yes
2015-06-16T16:36:06 < dongs> like laser scanner
2015-06-16T16:36:08 < dongs> which i have
2015-06-16T16:36:29 < dongs> 1234567890
2015-06-16T16:36:34 < dongs> lolol
2015-06-16T16:36:38 < dongs> this is awesome
2015-06-16T16:36:52 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-06-16T16:36:58 < Laurenceb> which phone?
2015-06-16T16:37:15 < Ecco> Apparently the marketing name is "beep'nGo"
2015-06-16T16:37:28 < Laurenceb> barcode blaster :P
2015-06-16T16:37:28 < dongs> yes, mobeam or something
2015-06-16T16:37:30 < dongs>  The Samsung Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge are the latest devices to embed the Mobeam technology.  Other devices include Samsung's Galaxy S4, Galaxy S5, Galaxy Note 3 and Galaxy Note 4.
2015-06-16T16:38:12 < Laurenceb> oh i see
2015-06-16T16:38:19 < Laurenceb> it just pulses an IR LED
2015-06-16T16:38:21 < Laurenceb> very clever
2015-06-16T16:38:28 < dongs> how does that work
2015-06-16T16:38:38 < Laurenceb> just relicate the reflected signal
2015-06-16T16:38:51 < Laurenceb> must rely oh dodgy scanner firmware
2015-06-16T16:39:02 < Laurenceb> http://techzulu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/MG_6709.jpg
2015-06-16T16:39:05 < dongs> well, it cant be dodgy if tehy expect it to be used
2015-06-16T16:39:11 < dongs> haha no
2015-06-16T16:39:12 < dongs> that doesnt work
2015-06-16T16:39:18 < Laurenceb> so COMS imager ones image the screen
2015-06-16T16:39:26 < Laurenceb> laser scanners get fooled by the led
2015-06-16T16:39:32 < dongs> oh, right
2015-06-16T16:39:38 < dongs> but thats 2011
2015-06-16T16:39:42 < dongs> BEFORE MOBEAM
2015-06-16T16:39:47 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-06-16T16:39:48 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-16T16:40:01 < Laurenceb> find the patent then
2015-06-16T16:40:49 < Laurenceb> lol their site
2015-06-16T16:40:49 < dongs> 7967211
2015-06-16T16:41:02 < Laurenceb> looks like random startup generator
2015-06-16T16:41:27 < dongs> https://www.google.com/patents/US7967211
2015-06-16T16:42:05 < Laurenceb> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US7967211B2/US07967211-20110628-D00007.png
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2015-06-16T16:42:14 < Laurenceb> looks like photodiode + LED technique
2015-06-16T16:42:18 < dongs> ohh
2015-06-16T16:42:24 < Laurenceb> to sync led to laser scanner
2015-06-16T16:42:25 < dongs> it uses receiver to detect when laser bar passes it
2015-06-16T16:42:31 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-06-16T16:42:31 < dongs> then clocks out the barcode?
2015-06-16T16:42:35 < dongs> so clever wow
2015-06-16T16:42:35 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-06-16T16:43:55 < PaulFertser> Why doing that on a cellphone, can't the barcode scanner read the same from an LCD?
2015-06-16T16:44:05 < Ecco> Hi Paul :)
2015-06-16T16:44:10 < PaulFertser> Ecco: hi :)
2015-06-16T16:44:46 < jpa-> PaulFertser: no, because it relies on the laser beam scanning the code, and backlighted LCD does not reflect light all that much
2015-06-16T16:44:56 < jpa-> if it was a camera-based barcode reader then that would owrk
2015-06-16T16:45:10 < PaulFertser> jpa-: I see. Same about AMOLED?
2015-06-16T16:45:11 < dongs> yeah, airport scanners in japland are ccd
2015-06-16T16:45:25 < dongs> PaulFertser: yes, my phone is amoled and i tried to make barcode on it and it failed to laserscan
2015-06-16T16:45:35 < jpa-> PaulFertser: even more so; reflective LCD or e-paper would probably work fine
2015-06-16T16:46:02 < PaulFertser> Interesting.
2015-06-16T16:47:02 < dongs> downloading beepngo
2015-06-16T16:47:14 < Ecco> So in CircuitWorks I've added a Molex connector, and I'm trying to label pins. It works, but in the schematics the rect doesn't surround the labels, it crops them
2015-06-16T16:47:25 < dongs> pic
2015-06-16T16:47:35 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/YR72I50.png
2015-06-16T16:47:48 < dongs> thats not how you label them
2015-06-16T16:47:54 < dongs> place->net name
2015-06-16T16:47:58 < Ecco> Oh
2015-06-16T16:48:03 < dongs> and name the actual net thats connected to pin1 etc.
2015-06-16T16:48:09 < Ecco> Here's what I used:
2015-06-16T16:48:18 < Ecco> Double-click the symbol
2015-06-16T16:48:20 < Ecco> "edit pins"
2015-06-16T16:48:20 < dongs> i know where you edited that
2015-06-16T16:48:21 < dongs> yes . i know
2015-06-16T16:48:23 < dongs> dont.
2015-06-16T16:48:23 < Ecco> Ok :)
2015-06-16T16:48:33 < Ecco> Ok I'll do it your way
2015-06-16T16:48:40 < dongs> not "my" way. its the correct way.
2015-06-16T16:48:42 < karlp> s/your/everybody's/
2015-06-16T16:48:44 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-16T16:49:05 < Ecco> What's wrong with the thing I did?
2015-06-16T16:49:11 < Ecco> What is it supposed to be used for?
2015-06-16T16:49:16 < Ecco> (out of curiosity)
2015-06-16T16:49:31 < dongs> components are designed to be reusable
2015-06-16T16:49:44 < dongs> chances that you will use something wiht CS pin on it on pin#2 are pretty low
2015-06-16T16:49:50 < Ecco> Oh, ok
2015-06-16T16:50:00 < Ecco> Gotcha
2015-06-16T16:50:00 < dongs> i usually use that part when I have a f ootprint with pin0
2015-06-16T16:50:05 < dongs> which connects to ground
2015-06-16T16:50:12 < Ecco> Got it
2015-06-16T16:50:17 < dongs> like shield, or other fixating stuff
2015-06-16T16:50:32 < Ecco> So that's when you want to name a pin in the component, regardless of how it's going to be used
2015-06-16T16:50:35 < dongs> so instead of adding a hidden gnd/pin0 to every component, if I need it, I will edit and add pin0, hide->connect to gnd.
2015-06-16T16:50:42 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T16:50:44 < Ecco> thanks!
2015-06-16T16:50:50 < dongs> no, it never shows up if its hidden
2015-06-16T16:50:59 < dongs> you will name stuff when you make your own components.
2015-06-16T16:56:54 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T16:56:56 < Ecco> Thanks :)
2015-06-16T16:58:01 < dongs> i think i might try to implement this barcode madness on stm32
2015-06-16T16:58:03 < dongs> just for hte lulz
2015-06-16T16:58:13 < dongs> then get on hackaday and get sued
2015-06-16T16:58:25 < dongs> still trying to think of applications tho
2015-06-16T16:58:30 < dongs> trolling shop barcode scanners??
2015-06-16T17:00:19 < BrainDamage> park zano to a window of amazon's warewhouse and use the ir leds to jam the barcode scanners
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2015-06-16T17:07:30 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-16T17:07:31 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/pPcwyRh.png
2015-06-16T17:07:36 < Ecco> This looks ugly
2015-06-16T17:07:42 < Ecco> (Symbols overlapping)
2015-06-16T17:07:57 < Ecco> Should I try to lay them out nicely by hand
2015-06-16T17:08:07 < dongs> could loop stuff and sutch yeah
2015-06-16T17:08:16 < dongs> stagger them
2015-06-16T17:08:27 < jpa-> or just move the text
2015-06-16T17:08:32 < Ecco> Ok
2015-06-16T17:08:34 < jpa-> to the side
2015-06-16T17:08:38 < Ecco> That's something I'm supposed to do myself, manually
2015-06-16T17:08:40 < Ecco> right?
2015-06-16T17:08:40 < dongs> yeah that works too
2015-06-16T17:08:42 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-16T17:08:45 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-16T17:08:55 < Ecco> I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misusing the software
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2015-06-16T17:09:22 < PeterM> why are you just putting caps o na connector?
2015-06-16T17:09:41 < Ecco> PeterM: Well to be honest, among all the things I've been doing this afternoon
2015-06-16T17:09:48 < Ecco> that's the only thing I'm confident in :-D
2015-06-16T17:09:56 < Ecco> Simply because… I'm just copying a reference design :-D
2015-06-16T17:10:01 < dongs> could be boost caps for LCD shit
2015-06-16T17:10:11 < Ecco> That's indeed what it is
2015-06-16T17:10:15 < dongs> you usually need like 20 caps around shitty chinese lcds
2015-06-16T17:10:26 < Ecco> It'as actually an eink panel
2015-06-16T17:10:28 < Ecco> but yeah
2015-06-16T17:10:45 < Ecco> They do provide ready-made expansion board
2015-06-16T17:11:02 < Ecco> but I thought that would be a great starter project to learn
2015-06-16T17:11:19 < Ecco> I'm still not so confident about soldering 0.5mm by hand
2015-06-16T17:11:25 < Ecco> but well, at least i'll try!
2015-06-16T17:13:26 < PeterM> dongs i know you despise but still watch eevblog - you watch te circuit maker vid?
2015-06-16T17:13:40 < dongs> did he do one recently?
2015-06-16T17:13:46 < PeterM> yer
2015-06-16T17:13:48 < dongs> and no i dont watch his shit :d
2015-06-16T17:13:51 < PeterM> like today or some shit
2015-06-16T17:13:52 < dongs> oh
2015-06-16T17:13:55 < PeterM> pffffft
2015-06-16T17:14:08 < PeterM> bullshit you dont i seen you link it before
2015-06-16T17:14:23 < dongs> thats jus retweeting
2015-06-16T17:14:33 < PeterM> bascially - wtfd are my hotkeys
2015-06-16T17:14:37 < dongs> o yeah
2015-06-16T17:14:40 < dongs> that was my first impression
2015-06-16T17:14:52 < dongs> the ribbon did them in
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2015-06-16T17:15:28 < PeterM> but half the stuff the simply removed the hotkey, they didnt just chagre it because of ribon
2015-06-16T17:15:46 < dongs> right, but hotkeys just bring up menus
2015-06-16T17:15:51 < dongs> p->place menu etc
2015-06-16T17:16:00 < dongs> wouldnt have equivalent with ribbondongs
2015-06-16T17:16:07 < dongs> but yeah thats basically a dealbreaker for me there
2015-06-16T17:16:59 < PeterM> still looks infinitely better than kikecad on first impressions
2015-06-16T17:17:13 < PeterM> 1) you can just install it
2015-06-16T17:17:21 < Ecco> Well I've been using it for like an hour
2015-06-16T17:17:26 < Ecco> and the library is impressive
2015-06-16T17:17:44 < Ecco> So far all the components I needed even very accurate 3D models
2015-06-16T17:18:00 < Ecco> (not that I haven't used any other EDA software, but still)
2015-06-16T17:18:28 < PeterM> ecco did you have to compile it before you ran it? no? already a step above kikecad
2015-06-16T17:18:38 < stukdev> karlp: can find example of using virtual com port for  STM32F401 DISCOVERY
2015-06-16T17:19:16 < Ecco> PeterM: Actually I'm quite fond of OSS, so I would have *liked* if I could have the source code
2015-06-16T17:19:20 < Ecco> but I get your point
2015-06-16T17:20:17 < PeterM> ecco kikecad = a project altium  = a tool
2015-06-16T17:20:25 < Ecco> indeed
2015-06-16T17:20:38 < Ecco> I'm already convinced, you know
2015-06-16T17:20:51 < Ecco> It seems exactly like the same debate as Photoshop vs Gimp
2015-06-16T17:21:00 < dongs> there is no debate
2015-06-16T17:21:04 < Ecco> Indeed :-D
2015-06-16T17:21:06 < PeterM> lol
2015-06-16T17:21:07 < dongs> people who need to get shit done, use photoshop
2015-06-16T17:21:10 < dongs> the end
2015-06-16T17:21:12 < Ecco> yes :)
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2015-06-16T17:21:31 < Ecco> I wish Altium ran on OS X though
2015-06-16T17:21:36 < Ecco> But well
2015-06-16T17:22:47 < PeterM> just dualboot
2015-06-16T17:22:54 < dongs> or just singleboot
2015-06-16T17:23:00 < dongs> if youre stuck with apple shit harwdare
2015-06-16T17:23:06 < dongs> might as well use a real OS with it
2015-06-16T17:23:09 < Ecco> I actually *like* OS X :)
2015-06-16T17:23:16 < Ecco> But yeah, virtualization does the job
2015-06-16T17:23:32 < Ecco> dongs: THB, windows kinda blows
2015-06-16T17:23:42 < PeterM> virt is slow and annoying as fuck - less hassel to just reboot between os
2015-06-16T17:23:45 < Ecco> There *is* a debate as to what OS is better :)
2015-06-16T17:23:55 < Ecco> PeterM: True
2015-06-16T17:24:04 < Ecco> Unless you have a beefy machine
2015-06-16T17:24:29 < PeterM> ecco do you have a cheese grater mac? no? not a beefy machien then
2015-06-16T17:24:53 < PeterM> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2283/2281452569_e6024b6c66.jpg
2015-06-16T17:24:54 < Ecco> I built a hackintosh :-/
2015-06-16T17:25:07 < Ecco> Ha, never heard of the "cheese grater" thing
2015-06-16T17:25:39 < Ecco> but well, if you want to know, I have a 4 GHz i7, Samsung 850 SSD
2015-06-16T17:25:39 < gxti> cheese graters are a lot more useful than trash cans
2015-06-16T17:25:44 < Ecco> definitely
2015-06-16T17:26:16 < Ecco> Unless you want to play beer pong with your PC
2015-06-16T17:26:17 < PeterM> gxti atleast you can upgrade your grater, cant upgrade your trashcan
2015-06-16T17:26:31 < Ecco> I do have a PowerPC grater though
2015-06-16T17:26:41 < Ecco> Thing is slow as hell now though, and soooo heavy
2015-06-16T17:26:58 < PeterM> ecco unless its a sun store SAN, its probably old enbough to be shot
2015-06-16T17:27:05 < Ecco> It is
2015-06-16T17:27:17 < Ecco> It does make a nice firewall though
2015-06-16T17:27:24 < Ecco> If you don't mind pumping 500W through it
2015-06-16T17:27:40 < Ecco> (it comes with a magnetic liquid cooling mechanism !)
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2015-06-16T18:15:22 < Ecco> jpa-: Is essentialscrap.com your website?
2015-06-16T18:15:35 < Ecco> Oh yes it is, It sais so in the "about the author" page
2015-06-16T18:15:57 < Ecco> I just arrived to it from a google search query about eink panels
2015-06-16T18:16:14 < Ecco> very interesting, thank you for taking your time to put this online!
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2015-06-16T18:26:57 < jadew> Ecco, in the current OS X version, can you maximize windows?
2015-06-16T18:27:39 < DanteA> Why not?
2015-06-16T18:27:43 < jadew> my wife has a mac for several years and she can't get windows to maximize past that shitty bar at the bottom
2015-06-16T18:27:55 < DanteA> It'll be very strange
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2015-06-16T18:38:49 < zyp> jadew, what bar at the bottom?
2015-06-16T18:38:52 < zyp> the dock?
2015-06-16T18:39:20 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-16T18:39:28 < zyp> just enable autohide
2015-06-16T18:39:34 < jadew> even when it's auto hidding
2015-06-16T18:39:44 < jadew> they maximize and they leave that part empty
2015-06-16T18:39:56 < zyp> uh, I've never had that happen
2015-06-16T18:40:27 < jadew> it's very annoying
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2015-06-16T18:44:31 < Ecco> jadew: You'll want to enable dock automasking
2015-06-16T18:44:37 < Ecco> right-click on the dock
2015-06-16T18:44:50 < Ecco> ok simpler
2015-06-16T18:45:01 < jadew> will check it out when she gets home, thanks
2015-06-16T18:45:09 < Ecco> Apple menu (top left) -> system preferences -> Dock -> "Hide/show the dock automatically"
2015-06-16T18:45:26 < zyp> that's what I meant by autohide
2015-06-16T18:45:28 < Ecco> The "bottom bar" will hide, and re-appear when you bring the cursor close to the bottom
2015-06-16T18:45:34 < jadew> ah
2015-06-16T18:45:37 < jadew> but we tried that
2015-06-16T18:45:55 < zyp> which window are you trying to maximize?
2015-06-16T18:45:58 < jadew> and the windows were maximizing just like before, with the space for the dock being left empty
2015-06-16T18:46:03 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-06-16T18:46:07 < jadew> general windows, like the browser window
2015-06-16T18:46:09 < Ecco> It should work
2015-06-16T18:46:09 < zyp> some programs are dumb and only maximises to fit their content
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2015-06-16T18:46:25 < Ecco> Yeah
2015-06-16T18:46:28 < Ecco> try to resize manually
2015-06-16T18:46:35 < jadew> you can't
2015-06-16T18:46:38 < Ecco> ?
2015-06-16T18:46:41 < jadew> we tried that too
2015-06-16T18:46:44 < Ecco> weird
2015-06-16T18:47:06 < Ecco> How do I number components in circuits designer?
2015-06-16T18:47:20 < jadew> 1, 2, 3, etc :P
2015-06-16T18:47:31 < dongs> you name them with a ? then do renumber via some menu
2015-06-16T18:47:35 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-16T18:47:35 < dongs> CN?, IC?, R? etc
2015-06-16T18:48:06 < Ecco> Yeah, that's the menu I can't find
2015-06-16T18:48:16 < Ecco> I already did the L? thing
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2015-06-16T18:50:25 < dongs> (Tools | Annotation |  » Annotate Schematics
2015-06-16T18:50:29 < Ecco> Thanks
2015-06-16T18:50:39 < Ecco> Ohh ok
2015-06-16T18:50:42 < Ecco> thank you!!
2015-06-16T18:50:44 < dongs> looks like [?] icon.
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2015-06-16T18:51:14 < dongs> altium is making decent docs for this stuff
2015-06-16T18:51:16 < dongs> http://documentation.circuitmaker.com/display/CMAK/WorkspaceManager_Err-DuplicatePartDesignators((Duplicate+Part+Designators))_CM
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2015-06-16T19:03:45 < Ecco> Thanks dongs :)
2015-06-16T19:03:51 < Ecco> Well, I'm routing the PCB
2015-06-16T19:04:05 < Ecco> For some reason, all the components are grayed out after importing them from the schematics
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2015-06-16T19:08:46 < Ecco> And if I select a component and press "space" it won't rotate :(
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2015-06-16T19:12:56 < Ecco> Hmm ok apparently I needed to select the "move" tool :)
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2015-06-16T19:18:26 < aandrew> if you needed a TCP/IP (and PPP) stack for stm32, does any stack out there in particular stick out?
2015-06-16T19:19:10 < aandrew> this is for an STM32F43x if that makes any difference
2015-06-16T19:20:45 < zyp> lwip?
2015-06-16T19:21:02 < zyp> I don't know about any popular alternatives
2015-06-16T19:22:22 < karlp> notfreertos has a pay one.
2015-06-16T19:23:49 < aandrew> "notfreertos" ?
2015-06-16T19:24:03 < Ecco> I guess the non-free incarnation of FreeRTOS
2015-06-16T19:24:08 < dongs> keil has a pay one to
2015-06-16T19:24:39 < aandrew> I'll stay the fuck away from keil
2015-06-16T19:24:50 < Ecco> http://www.freertos.org/FreeRTOS-Plus/FreeRTOS_Plus_TCP/index.html
2015-06-16T19:26:53 < aandrew> Ecco: interesting. I'm okay with non-free. oss or not the license must be non-free compatible
2015-06-16T19:32:19 < karlp> aandrew: what are you doing with PPP?
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2015-06-16T19:34:51 < _Sync_> remote sensor shit on a dsl?
2015-06-16T19:36:43 < aandrew> pretty much
2015-06-16T19:36:56 < aandrew> cell network but the telit module's "easy tcp" stack is shit
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2015-06-16T19:50:33 < _Sync_> put a linux in there and have it do the heavy lifting?
2015-06-16T19:52:56 < Ecco> Hmm, I'm struggling with the routing in CircuitMaker
2015-06-16T19:53:05 < Ecco> My layout isn't very complicated but it's not completely trivial
2015-06-16T19:53:49 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/vVkVs8A.png
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2015-06-16T19:54:23 < Ecco> the "gnd" pin in the middle are particularly annoying
2015-06-16T19:54:30 < Ecco> I don't know how to deal with them
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2015-06-16T19:59:55 < aandrew> _Sync_: I was thinking that but I don't think that's realistic
2015-06-16T20:00:09 < scummos> Ecco: 2-layer?
2015-06-16T20:00:20 < _Sync_> why not aandrew?
2015-06-16T20:00:22 < Ecco> scummos: I guess :-)
2015-06-16T20:00:28 < scummos> Ecco: use a via?
2015-06-16T20:00:50 < scummos> that layout looks very easy to do on 2-layer
2015-06-16T20:02:21 < Ecco> scummos: Yeah it's not that complicated
2015-06-16T20:02:32 < Ecco> It's just that I'm a complete newbie :)
2015-06-16T20:03:01 < scummos> :)
2015-06-16T20:03:03 < aandrew> _Sync_: Linux is awfully heavy, and without external RAM/Flash there's not enough room for even a stripped down kernel
2015-06-16T20:03:07 < scummos> Ecco: just use a via
2015-06-16T20:03:11 < scummos> and route ground on the back side
2015-06-16T20:03:35 < _Sync_> true aandrew, you could just use something with luneks directly
2015-06-16T20:03:38 < scummos> alternatively, you can use 0603+ components (capacitor, resistor) as "bridges" and have a track underneath them
2015-06-16T20:04:41 < aandrew> Ecco: yeah I think that should be a fairly easy 2 layer route. before you start routing pay particular attention to placement. spending the time on placement can pay of very well when it comes time to start placing tracks
2015-06-16T20:05:41 < aandrew> _Sync_: the MCU is fixed. Can't change it
2015-06-16T20:05:54 < aandrew> this freertos thing looks about right
2015-06-16T20:06:08 < aandrew> although I don't see ppp at a very cursory overview
2015-06-16T20:07:08 < Ecco> aandrew scummos Thanks for the insights
2015-06-16T20:07:13 < Ecco> Indeed, my placement was pretty bad
2015-06-16T20:07:17 < Ecco> That's where I have to start :)
2015-06-16T20:07:24 < _Sync_> aww too bad aandrew
2015-06-16T20:07:34 < aandrew> I spent probably 2x the time on placement that I do on routing
2015-06-16T20:07:40 < scummos> yes, place components first before even starting to route
2015-06-16T20:07:46 < scummos> with the proper placement routing often becomes trivial
2015-06-16T20:07:49 < aandrew> and will still end up riping up routing ot place better once I get into tight areas
2015-06-16T20:08:50 < aandrew> looks like freertos plays nicely with lwip as well
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2015-06-16T20:58:46 < Ecco> Is there anything fundamentally wrong with this?
2015-06-16T20:58:47 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/RZ21toi.png
2015-06-16T20:58:59 < Ecco> (It's my first routing ever)
2015-06-16T21:00:12 < zyp> uh, is that an actual design?
2015-06-16T21:01:00 < Ecco> yeah…
2015-06-16T21:01:02 < Ecco> :-/
2015-06-16T21:01:12 < Ecco> (It's not complete of course)
2015-06-16T21:01:42 < zyp> ok, I just don't get the purpose of having a ton of capacitors connected to some sort of ribbon connect
2015-06-16T21:01:45 < zyp> or
2015-06-16T21:01:55 < Ecco> Yeah, it's for an eink panel
2015-06-16T21:02:09 < zyp> what is the purpose of the capacitors?
2015-06-16T21:02:46 < Ecco> The datasheet says "charge-pump capacitors"
2015-06-16T21:02:58 < Ecco> i've no idea what's their purpose at this point
2015-06-16T21:03:10 < zyp> ah, right
2015-06-16T21:03:22 < Ecco> One of my goals here is to learn EDA
2015-06-16T21:03:34 < Ecco> The schematic isn't mine
2015-06-16T21:03:59 < zyp> looks fair enough, I guess
2015-06-16T21:04:08 < Ecco> Great
2015-06-16T21:04:15 < Ecco> Now I haven't routed the ground at all
2015-06-16T21:04:27 < Ecco> most PCBs I've taken appart had huge "areas" for the ground
2015-06-16T21:04:52 < zyp> with capacitors you usually want to keep the current path short, but I guess that counts as short compared to the ribbon cable you'll be plugging in
2015-06-16T21:05:08 < Ecco> Yeah definitely
2015-06-16T21:05:30 < Ecco> I would have a hard time making it shorter on the PCB though
2015-06-16T21:05:48 < Ecco> Well I guess I could intertwine the capacitors
2015-06-16T21:06:14 < zyp> yeah, unless you have dedicated ground planes, you usually construct one by filling the spare areas in other layers with ground and stitch them together
2015-06-16T21:06:55 < Ecco> I understand
2015-06-16T21:06:59 < Ecco> what's a dedicated ground plane?
2015-06-16T21:07:18 < Ecco> An extra layer in the PCB that is exclusively used for grounding?
2015-06-16T21:07:37 < zyp> remember that currents flow in circuits, every current flowing in a normal signal trace will have a return current flowing in the ground
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2015-06-16T21:08:35 < zyp> ground planes lets the return current take the easiest path (which is not necessarily the shortest)
2015-06-16T21:08:56 < Ecco> I'm not sure I understand
2015-06-16T21:09:00 < Ecco> what's a ground plane?
2015-06-16T21:09:04 < zyp> for high frequency signals, the easiest path is directly next to the signal trace
2015-06-16T21:09:22 < Ecco> hmm
2015-06-16T21:09:38 < zyp> and yes, a dedicated ground plane is a layer used only for ground
2015-06-16T21:09:42 < Ecco> ok
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2015-06-16T21:12:22 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QJtiY.png <- here's layers 2 and 3 on a board I designed once, 2 is a ground plane and 3 is a power plane
2015-06-16T21:13:28 < Ecco> I'm not even sure how to read it
2015-06-16T21:13:32 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG <- whereas this is a two-layer board, with spare area on the top and bottom filled with ground and stitched together
2015-06-16T21:13:33 < Ecco> green is ground, red is power?
2015-06-16T21:13:53 < Ecco> zyp: Yeah ok this is more like what I'm going to do I guess
2015-06-16T21:14:28 < zyp> yeah
2015-06-16T21:14:32 < Ecco> Seems like the stiches are redundant
2015-06-16T21:15:01 < zyp> yes, that's the point
2015-06-16T21:15:14 < Ecco> why? To have a lower resistance?
2015-06-16T21:15:50 < zyp> if you only have a single point where the top connects to the bottom, all return currents crossing over needs to take the detour through that
2015-06-16T21:16:05 < Ecco> indeed
2015-06-16T21:16:09 < Ecco> ok, got it
2015-06-16T21:17:11 < zyp> the main trick for that sort of designs is to avoid having parallel traces on the top and bottom, so the top and bottom layers aren't cut in the same place
2015-06-16T21:17:32 < Ecco> huh
2015-06-16T21:17:41 < Ecco> I don't understand :(
2015-06-16T21:18:47 < zyp> well, think of it like this: the goal of a ground plane is to have an unbroken ground area
2015-06-16T21:19:11 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T21:19:13 < zyp> when you only have two layers and need to run signals in both, they necessarily cause cuts in the ground area
2015-06-16T21:19:20 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T21:19:41 < zyp> so you stitch together the ground areas on the top and bottom to make them act as one
2015-06-16T21:20:36 < Ecco> indeed
2015-06-16T21:20:42 < zyp> but if you have the same cut in both layers, you still end up with a cut where the two layers don't overlap
2015-06-16T21:20:49 < Ecco> oh ok
2015-06-16T21:20:51 < Ecco> I understand
2015-06-16T21:21:03 < Ecco> what you mean is that you want the top and bottom layers to overlap as much as possible
2015-06-16T21:21:14 < zyp> correct
2015-06-16T21:21:14 < Ecco> (when projected one on another)
2015-06-16T21:21:21 < Ecco> so that you can make a whole bunch of vias
2015-06-16T21:21:25 < zyp> yep
2015-06-16T21:21:26 < Ecco> to interconnect them
2015-06-16T21:21:27 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-16T21:21:30 < Ecco> I understand
2015-06-16T21:21:38 < Ecco> Thanks!
2015-06-16T21:27:20 < Ecco> Is there a way to "hide" a path in CircuitMaker
2015-06-16T21:27:24 < Ecco> I'm laying out components
2015-06-16T21:27:35 < Ecco> and the "ground" connections get in the way :(
2015-06-16T21:28:35 < aandrew> heh I'm reading STM32F specs... 256 bytes RAM
2015-06-16T21:28:47 < aandrew> that can't be right... it isn't. it's 256kBytes. :-)
2015-06-16T21:30:11 < Ecco> HOpefully :)
2015-06-16T21:31:46 < aandrew> looks like the 429 and 437 are similar enough that I can work on the 429 while targeting the 437
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2015-06-16T21:32:58 < aandrew> the 429 has a TFT contoller that I don't need, and the 437 claims a serial audio interface and "more performance and lower static power consumption"
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2015-06-16T21:43:54 < PaulFertser> aandrew: BTW, I've personally seen PPP from lwIP working just fine.
2015-06-16T21:44:15 < aandrew> PaulFertser: indeed, and freertos seems to recommend lwip+ppp as well
2015-06-16T21:44:38 < PaulFertser> FreeRTOS always worked nicely for me too.
2015-06-16T21:48:14 < aandrew> ok. I"m getting a bit of a warm fuzzy around these selections then. :-)
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2015-06-16T21:53:57 < superbia> An inexpensive adapter for the ESP8266 WiFi transceiver module.
2015-06-16T21:54:08 < superbia> http://store.hackaday.com/products/esp8266-adapter-and-breakout-board-kit-includes-esp8266-01
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2015-06-16T22:08:02 < rkreis_> superbia, or you just get the ready module with a 0.1" pin header from ebay/alibaba/...?
2015-06-16T22:08:28 < rkreis_> oh... disregard
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2015-06-16T22:10:11 < rkreis_> anyway, does anyone know of small >1MHz crystals? something like 1206 size?
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2015-06-16T22:56:37 < Laurenceb__> lorf  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33152596
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2015-06-16T23:48:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQlVVb0k4OVp5LWs/view?usp=sharing fuck my life
2015-06-16T23:48:46 < kakimir> you find yourself doing things you shouldnt
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2015-06-16T23:54:01 < Taxman> whowww i got ugfx working on my stm32f4 board :)
2015-06-16T23:55:16 < Laurenceb__> nice
2015-06-16T23:56:19 < Ecco> Guys, I'm struggling with vias in Altium CircuitMaker
2015-06-16T23:56:29 < Ecco> For some reason, I cannot connect my routes to them
2015-06-16T23:56:34 < Ecco> I can put them just fine on the PCB
2015-06-16T23:56:39 < Taxman> yeah it is the circles demo
2015-06-16T23:56:41 < Ecco> but the routes won't "stick" to the vias
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2015-06-17T00:01:36 < scummos> Ecco: I don't know altium but usually you don't put a via and then connect tracks to it
2015-06-17T00:01:43 < scummos> but press a key when routing a track to place a via at the next edge
2015-06-17T00:01:48 < scummos> so the via is connected to the net DRC-wise
2015-06-17T00:02:11 < scummos> probably when you just place a via it doesn't have a net assigned and then you can't connect things to it
2015-06-17T00:02:29 < zyp> just set the net in the properties for the via
2015-06-17T00:02:40 < scummos> there certainly is an easier way to place a via
2015-06-17T00:03:20 < zyp> yeah, for vias in signals you just swap layers while routing, and then you get a via there
2015-06-17T00:03:48 < zyp> and in altium you can also press 2 to place a via without changing layer
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2015-06-17T00:22:19 < Ecco> Thanks guys
2015-06-17T00:22:58 < Ecco> zyp: howdo I change layer while routing?
2015-06-17T00:26:16 < zyp> +/- if I remember correctly
2015-06-17T00:26:24 < zyp> assuming hotkeys are same as altium
2015-06-17T00:26:32 < Ecco> Yeah that's what the doc says but it doesn't do anything :(
2015-06-17T00:28:26 < Ecco> Weird
2015-06-17T00:28:34 < Ecco> Probably a keymap issue
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2015-06-17T00:33:48 < Ecco> Ok, it's actually "numpad -" and "numpad +"
2015-06-17T00:33:51 < Ecco> I don't have a numpad :(
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2015-06-17T00:47:45 < Ecco> yay, I found a workaround
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2015-06-17T00:48:02 < Ecco> you can customize what the wheel does in CircuitMaker's system preferences :)
2015-06-17T00:49:20 < _Sync_> that would be fucking annoying
2015-06-17T00:49:27 < _Sync_> to do it by the wheel
2015-06-17T00:51:15 < zyp> why are you trying to do work on a computer without a proper keyboard? :p
2015-06-17T00:52:23 < Ecco> Well, good question :)
2015-06-17T00:52:36 < Ecco> Not only is it annoying, but it doesn't even work
2015-06-17T00:52:39 < Ecco> the active layer does change
2015-06-17T00:52:43 < Ecco> but no via is inserted
2015-06-17T00:52:54 < Ecco> so routing remains on the same layer, until I route another net
2015-06-17T00:52:56 < Ecco> :(
2015-06-17T00:52:59 < Ecco> I'm lost
2015-06-17T00:55:08 < zyp> idk, maybe my altium knowledge doesn't translate all that well
2015-06-17T00:55:25 < Ecco> Oh it probably does, I must be goofing something up
2015-06-17T00:59:42 < kakimir> my samsung has nfc antenna in battery
2015-06-17T00:59:59 < kakimir> spesial battery
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2015-06-17T04:06:35 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371304833792
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2015-06-17T05:42:29 < upgrdman> this looks safe   http://i.imgur.com/WxqQIEB.jpg
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2015-06-17T05:53:30 < PeterM> oh, hey, an update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az91yKftFPc
2015-06-17T05:59:46 < PeterM> upgrdman, what even is that? thatwould be a few 100 amps to cause that much heating
2015-06-17T06:08:46 < upgrdman> im guessing it actually from a torch, not current flow
2015-06-17T06:08:54 < upgrdman> washer isnt glowing.
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2015-06-17T07:08:22 < dongs> PeterM: awesome downloading asap
2015-06-17T07:09:43 < dongs> of course downloadshit is busy :(
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2015-06-17T08:21:14 < dongs> fucking great, imgur is dead/down again
2015-06-17T08:21:21 < dongs> and fucks forgot my login
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2015-06-17T08:38:51 < upgrdman> finally starting to play with the 3d printer i was lent. surprisingly intriguing. tempted to buy one now.
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2015-06-17T09:01:20 < jpa-> upgrdman: hypnotized watching it?
2015-06-17T09:01:39 < upgrdman> not really. but it would be neat for one-off cases
2015-06-17T09:02:11 < upgrdman> or for playing around as an amateur ME
2015-06-17T09:02:28 < jpa-> yah
2015-06-17T09:26:32 < qyx_> digikey newsletter, "security of IoT"
2015-06-17T09:26:47 < qyx_> Standard bulk ciphers you should look for to support IoT security include DES and TDES
2015-06-17T09:26:57 < qyx_> i though it is 2015 already
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2015-06-17T09:27:07 < jpa-> nsa sponsored
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2015-06-17T09:28:09 < qyx_> Standard authentication algorithms include SHA-1/-256, MD-5, AES-GCM, and HMAC.
2015-06-17T09:28:11 < qyx_> uh
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2015-06-17T09:38:03 < PeterM> standard authentication for IoT: None, nobody gives afuck if someone puts "bag of dicks" on your shopping list on your fridges display.
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2015-06-17T09:47:35 < jpa-> at work we are using some https implementation with custom certs
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2015-06-17T10:44:16 < jpa-> hmm, do other people get this reluctance to test programs because you know there will be bugs?
2015-06-17T10:44:54 < rkreis> jpa-, what programs? i usually get bugs where i don't expect them, and none where i do
2015-06-17T10:48:01 < jpa-> own programs, code you've made
2015-06-17T10:48:42 < jpa-> i just want to bask in this feeling "it's almost done and i have atleast 4 hours until deadline" instead of going to "gaaah so many bugs everywhere"
2015-06-17T10:49:07 < rkreis> oh, deadlines, that's bad
2015-06-17T10:50:25 < jpa-> well without deadlines this would never be done
2015-06-17T10:50:33 < rkreis> maybe it really is a timing issue - if you only have enough time to implement but not to refine, you get bugs
2015-06-17T10:51:04 < jpa-> actually there is a refinement period scheduled that starts after i deliver this initial version
2015-06-17T10:51:05 < rkreis> just call it v0.1 alpha and make a new deadline :)
2015-06-17T10:51:41 < jpa-> i guess the real problem is that this stuff is too hard and i get this feeling "take it away i don't want to touch it anymore"
2015-06-17T10:52:31 < rkreis> divide and conquer then... what is it exactly?
2015-06-17T10:53:03 < jpa-> some signal processing stuff
2015-06-17T10:53:49 < jpa-> problem is that it is just on the verge that "*maybe* we can measure this stuff out of it".. so can't say "impossible" but the straightforward approaches do not work very well
2015-06-17T10:54:14 < rkreis> interesting
2015-06-17T10:55:13 < rkreis> well, i wouldn't want to delay your bug hunt, good luck :)
2015-06-17T10:55:47 < jpa-> i think i'll wait until after lunch
2015-06-17T10:56:00 < jpa-> maybe there are some very important web pages i just must read before testing
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2015-06-17T11:16:02 < stukdev> how can i change firmare package from stmcube?!? i download new version but i can't find a way to use the new library for generating code
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2015-06-17T11:33:26 < Ecco> Hi :)
2015-06-17T11:33:41 < Ecco> Does Altium Designer offer CircuitMaker's Ciiva library?
2015-06-17T11:38:05 < dongs> no
2015-06-17T11:38:18 < dongs> altium has its own shit when you pay for yearly contract
2015-06-17T11:38:25 < dongs> but real pros make their own symbols/patterns
2015-06-17T11:38:54 < dongs> i suspect a large portion of they they'll be freetarding into ciiva will be from the altium current library.
2015-06-17T11:39:37 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-17T11:39:47 < Ecco> CircuitMaker just destroyed an afternoon worth of work
2015-06-17T11:39:53 < Ecco> I saved
2015-06-17T11:39:57 < Ecco> but didn't "commit" the project
2015-06-17T11:40:05 < Ecco> apparently, "saving" doesnt do shit
2015-06-17T11:40:14 < dongs> they just released some new beta
2015-06-17T11:40:19 < dongs> that has stashing before committing
2015-06-17T11:40:22 < dongs> or something
2015-06-17T11:40:27 < dongs> i got spam about it in email earlier.
2015-06-17T11:40:35 < dongs> yeah cloudsaves are pretty cunty
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2015-06-17T11:48:48 < stukdev> cube 4.8.0 is bugged!
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2015-06-17T12:03:33 < dongs> cube <any version> is bugged
2015-06-17T12:03:34 < dongs> ftfy
2015-06-17T12:03:37 < dongs> thats why real pros dont use it
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2015-06-17T13:04:10 < Ecco> So in Altium Designer
2015-06-17T13:04:16 < Ecco> Do you rebuild each component manually?
2015-06-17T13:04:22 < Ecco> That seems like a *huge* waste of time
2015-06-17T13:04:37 < Ecco> I mean, recreating a weird one here and there, this I understand
2015-06-17T13:04:50 < Ecco> but for most common ones, it seems badly inefficient
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2015-06-17T13:09:10 < jpa-> if it works, why would you rebuild?
2015-06-17T13:10:05 < Ecco> sorry, I should have said "build"
2015-06-17T13:10:15 < Ecco> I mean, where are you supposed to find components in the first place?
2015-06-17T13:10:58 < jpa-> yeah, that is a common problem with all electronics cads
2015-06-17T13:12:00 < Ecco> Also, what's "CircuitStudio"?
2015-06-17T13:12:20 < Ecco> It kinda looks like CircuitMaker
2015-06-17T13:12:25 < Ecco> yet I have no idea what this is
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2015-06-17T13:14:30 < Ecco> Ok this is a good summary
2015-06-17T13:14:32 < Ecco> https://crabtr.com/altium-circuit-maker-circuit-studio-features/
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2015-06-17T13:25:08 < dongs> circuitstudio is payware/gimped altium
2015-06-17T13:25:12 < dongs> totally not worth it
2015-06-17T13:25:22 < dongs> if you're a freetard, deal with circuitmaker, then buy altium after
2015-06-17T13:26:46 < dongs> also i dont thikn cm has differentia lrouting
2015-06-17T13:27:06 < jpa-> >gimped
2015-06-17T13:27:13 < jpa-> did they copy GIMP user interface? :)
2015-06-17T13:30:09 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-17T13:30:18 < Ecco> Well, freetard is easier said than done
2015-06-17T13:30:24 < Ecco> it's $10.000 / year !
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2015-06-17T13:50:14 < PeterM> ecco there is also the swashbuckler route
2015-06-17T13:50:40 < PeterM> then when you actually start doing something important just get your boss to buy ad
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2015-06-17T13:57:37 < Ecco> Indeed :)
2015-06-17T13:58:37 < PeterM> if you go that route, it is very easy to find the complete altium vault contents online
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2015-06-17T14:08:01 < dongs> theres really nothing of value in altium valut
2015-06-17T14:08:03 < dongs> like...
2015-06-17T14:08:11 < dongs> big FPGAs is about tthe only thing
2015-06-17T14:08:21 < dongs> and evne that you can create semi-quickly using smartpaste
2015-06-17T14:09:05 < dongs> as long as manufacturer provides chip/pin data in some format be in easy to copypaste datasheet tables or spice/something files wehre you can extract pins+names into excel, then youre done
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2015-06-17T14:48:55 < karlp> huh, wow, some guys have enough memory to run linux, a full blown modbus library, but don't have enough memory to have the crc tables, want to inject an alternate crc calculation method _at runtime_ ?! https://github.com/stephane/libmodbus/issues/271
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2015-06-17T14:53:51 < jpa-> perhaps they haven't heard about per-nibble crc
2015-06-17T14:53:54 < jpa-> pycrc for the win
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2015-06-17T14:58:11 < karlp> can't imagine they're going to be ok with running python in this case :)
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2015-06-17T15:00:28 < jpa-> pycrc is a code generator, it blurbs out nice C code
2015-06-17T15:00:44 < jpa-> and you can tradeoff between memory needed vs. speed of crc
2015-06-17T15:01:04 < jpa-> i would assume that CRC speed is not going to be an issue for modbus comms on a soc
2015-06-17T15:05:32 < karlp> 5~dongs that black 7 port usb hub with th eon/off switches? don't buy it. I've got one and it's shit
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2015-06-17T15:14:24 < dongs> fuck py*anything
2015-06-17T15:14:25 < stukdev> dongs: what do you use if you don't use cube?
2015-06-17T15:14:44 < dongs> stukdev: stdperiphlib
2015-06-17T15:15:33 < stukdev> dongs: what is?
2015-06-17T15:15:54 < dongs> its the "Before Cube" aka "B.C."
2015-06-17T15:16:02 < dongs> shit that just worked.
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2015-06-17T15:20:13 < stukdev> dongs: but its an IDE? can you post me some link?
2015-06-17T15:22:23 < karlp> dongs: that hub has been super flaky, and the connector quality internally is pretty shit too, if I shake it or bump the table I can get device disconnects
2015-06-17T15:22:44 < karlp> the leds are suuuper bright too, which I think contributes to the rather low voltages I get out of it
2015-06-17T15:23:43 < PeterM> karlp many your own super mad bros hub
2015-06-17T15:24:33 < karlp> wat
2015-06-17T15:24:54 < PeterM> make your own hub
2015-06-17T15:25:01 < PeterM> with blackjack
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2015-06-17T15:25:03 < PeterM> and  hookers
2015-06-17T15:26:44 < karlp> oh, I wasn't complaining, not for the price, just saying, "don't buy one"
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2015-06-17T15:27:35 < PeterM> what i am saying though is, it can't be *that* hard to make an awesome hub that actualyl works and isnt shit
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2015-06-17T15:34:03 < karlp> PeterM: you'd think, china seems to prove us wrong, or at least, no-one seems to make one cheap enough
2015-06-17T15:35:47 < PeterM> karlp thats because the rush to the bottom price is a more profitable race than a value orientated product
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2015-06-17T15:37:17 < PeterM> i think you could do a 5-10 port hub individually switched ports, optional external 12vin for $10 ea
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2015-06-17T16:05:47 < dongs> karlp: you have it?
2015-06-17T16:05:59 < dongs> is it 2.0HS at least
2015-06-17T16:06:18 < dongs> last $2 hub I bought from delayextreme with switches was made with 2.0FS hub chip on single-sided orange phenol PCB
2015-06-17T16:06:42 < dongs> and hub chip was a fucking blob
2015-06-17T16:07:12 < _Sync_> yeah
2015-06-17T16:07:19 < scrts_w> LOL
2015-06-17T16:07:32 < scrts_w> you have a talent to find real shit, dongs
2015-06-17T16:10:36 < PeterM> somethign about shit, japanese people and fetishes. i know there is a joke here somehwere
2015-06-17T16:13:44 < dongs> scrts_w: i wasnt looking! i just needed a hub with those physical rocker switch thignies
2015-06-17T16:13:48 < karlp> I think it's only FS, but the last usb2 hub _I_ bought was only LS :)
2015-06-17T16:13:54 < karlp> lsusb output https://pastee.org/gys9c
2015-06-17T16:14:51 < dongs> yeah fs, utter garbage
2015-06-17T16:14:57 < dongs> i bet its same garbage chip too
2015-06-17T16:15:00 < dongs> did you take it apart?
2015-06-17T16:16:40 < karlp> not this one, not yet anyway, it's got no screws and it's still somewhat functional.
2015-06-17T16:17:40 < PeterM> stick a f0, and soem fets and some tact switches- would be cheaper than rockers
2015-06-17T16:18:44 < karlp> what's the f0 for?
2015-06-17T16:18:59 < dongs> anything
2015-06-17T16:19:06 < dongs> i guess tact switches
2015-06-17T16:19:21 < dongs> and f0 will keep the line closed after its released
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2015-06-17T16:29:48 < PeterM> f0 to make momentary tact switches toggle. also use it for OCP maybe.
2015-06-17T16:30:36 < dongs> http://www.m55-bike.com/media/upload/big/terminus-prime-beach.jpg wat
2015-06-17T16:31:24 < dongs> (this appeared in gis when i was searching for karlp's shitty USB hub
2015-06-17T16:35:55 < jpa-> for me google suggests that i should search for "karla's shitty usb hub" instead.. i don't dare
2015-06-17T16:36:03 < dongs> haha
2015-06-17T16:36:20 < dongs> jpa-: nah, i was loking for "Terminus Technology Inc."
2015-06-17T16:36:26 < dongs> from  < karlp> lsusb output https://pastee.org/gys9c
2015-06-17T16:36:42 < dongs> first few pages are a bunch of pics of garbage hubs
2015-06-17T16:36:48 < dongs> but at least none of them appear to be on phenol pcb
2015-06-17T16:43:25 < karlp> this one is proving rather obstinate to dismantling
2015-06-17T16:44:14 < karlp> green pcb with silk on the bottom at least :)
2015-06-17T16:45:15 < dongs> Hello Friend, how are you? , I am Lawyer Ebenezer Sekyi, from the Ghana Bar Association.  I need your assistance to transfer the sum of $25 Million United States dollars through official bank to bank wire transfer Service to your country.
2015-06-17T16:45:32 < dongs> why do niggers always need help transferring millions
2015-06-17T16:46:49 < karlp> dongs: 2x fe1.1s chips inside, which in theory should be hs?
2015-06-17T16:47:09 < karlp> "usb 2.0 hub" printed on the ics :)
2015-06-17T16:47:56 < dongs> HEH
2015-06-17T16:48:07 < dongs> karlp: chipdorks did a teardown of that chip i think
2015-06-17T16:48:12 < dongs> not free tho
2015-06-17T16:48:37 < dongs> http://www.jfd-ic.com/Documents/FE1.1s%20Data%20Sheet%20(Rev.%201.0).pdf
2015-06-17T16:48:38 < dongs> hmm
2015-06-17T16:48:40 < dongs> highspeed indeeed
2015-06-17T16:48:49 < karlp> heh, other side is phenol, silk
2015-06-17T16:48:55 < dongs> lolreally
2015-06-17T16:48:56 < karlp> hm, better get my camera now I guess, went this far
2015-06-17T16:49:08 < PeterM> routing is probably spaghetti and cable is made from coat hangers to probably falls back to fs
2015-06-17T16:49:54 < dongs> oh gawd
2015-06-17T16:50:02 < dongs> it has awesome downstream port led controls
2015-06-17T16:50:37 < dongs> hmm how can that work
2015-06-17T16:51:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/p0GS2lP.png
2015-06-17T16:51:18 < PeterM> leds probably only turn on after it is already working
2015-06-17T16:51:24 < dongs> no, chec how its hooked up
2015-06-17T16:51:33 < PeterM> that makes sense
2015-06-17T16:53:31 < karlp> well thos eleds aren't connected anyway
2015-06-17T16:53:34 < dongs> ive seen something like this before where single pin was abused to do 2 leds, it either went output or highz or something
2015-06-17T16:53:35 < PeterM> drv is 50% duty push pull, led 1/2 pins areare either hi, low or out of phase
2015-06-17T16:53:40 < dongs> oh?
2015-06-17T16:54:03 < dongs> so it flickers them or somethin?
2015-06-17T16:54:07 < PeterM> yeah
2015-06-17T16:54:10 < dongs> pro
2015-06-17T16:54:16 < PeterM> but at SCL clock speed so you dont see
2015-06-17T16:54:53 < dongs> scl is only used once anyway
2015-06-17T16:54:55 < dongs> at boot
2015-06-17T16:55:00 < dongs> probably just to get custom VID/PID and shit
2015-06-17T16:55:01 < dongs> and never gain
2015-06-17T16:55:04 < dongs> again
2015-06-17T16:55:08 < PeterM> yer
2015-06-17T16:55:46 < PeterM> man. that shit is nasty though. they must have had massive room left on masks  or something
2015-06-17T16:59:19 < karlp> http://false.ekta.is/2015/06/terminus-tech-7-port-usb-2-high-speed-hub-teardown/
2015-06-17T16:59:40 < dongs> phenol'd
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2015-06-17T17:00:48 < karlp> yar, couldn't see it properly til I had it all the way open
2015-06-17T17:00:48 < dongs> LOL that input cap
2015-06-17T17:01:00 < dongs> just chillin there
2015-06-17T17:01:13 < karlp> 220uF 10V
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2015-06-17T17:02:10 < karlp> the switches are marked 250VAC, 3 amp!
2015-06-17T17:02:54 < dongs> ya they look like standard china rocker switches
2015-06-17T17:03:18 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1698381391_1/Snap-in-On-Off-font-b-Rocker-b-font-font-b-Switch-b-font-3-Pin.jpg
2015-06-17T17:03:31 < dongs> title: "Popular 110v Rocker Switch
2015-06-17T17:03:37 < karlp> want anything closer?
2015-06-17T17:04:01 < PeterM> lol
2015-06-17T17:04:11 < PeterM> so many 0 ohms
2015-06-17T17:04:17 < dongs> PeterM: its single sided
2015-06-17T17:04:19 < dongs> dats y
2015-06-17T17:04:23 < dongs> jumpers are expensive
2015-06-17T17:04:30 < karlp> the connecrtors seeeem ok, cant' see why it seems to disconnect so much
2015-06-17T17:05:01 < dongs> Dear Dyn Customer:
2015-06-17T17:05:01 < dongs> We have recently received a report that you are hosting content on your site without permission of the copyright holder, something that needs to be addressed within the next 24 hours.
2015-06-17T17:05:23 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20150519104156/http://pbx.mine.nu/
2015-06-17T17:05:26 < Laurenceb__> dear valued customer
2015-06-17T17:05:27 < dongs> i wonde waht the fuck they want removed
2015-06-17T17:05:33 < dongs> there's like nothing on it.
2015-06-17T17:05:47 < dongs> last time i updated it was in like 2006
2015-06-17T17:05:54 < PeterM> dongs i know single sided stil ldumb
2015-06-17T17:06:05 < dongs> karlp: nah looks good enough
2015-06-17T17:06:11 < dongs> what are those rtc-crystal looking things
2015-06-17T17:06:16 < dongs> do 12mhz come in that kinda can? haha
2015-06-17T17:08:00 < PeterM> karlp  cur the cable and reterminate it ionto the hab
2015-06-17T17:08:03 < karlp> must, the can has no markings whatsoever
2015-06-17T17:08:07 < PeterM> into the hub
2015-06-17T17:08:28 < dongs> it should be between pins 2/3
2015-06-17T17:08:44 < dongs> and it is
2015-06-17T17:09:40 < karlp> PeterM: which bit are you trying to "fix"? the 15mm or so from the solder joints to the ssop? or the whole cable with another cable?
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2015-06-17T17:10:22 < PeterM> the inch or so from the traces to just after the strain relief
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2015-06-17T17:11:33 < karlp> so, cut upstream from the strain relief, resolder directly to the board? yu reckon that's where it's losing HS?
2015-06-17T17:11:56 < dongs> oh lawd
2015-06-17T17:12:03 < dongs> its about some IEC pdfs i had cached on there
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2015-06-17T17:12:07 < dongs> iec61883
2015-06-17T17:12:10 < dongs> holy fuck fuckem.
2015-06-17T17:12:43 < karlp> what now?
2015-06-17T17:12:50 < dongs> < dongs> We have recently received a report that you are hosting content on your site without permission of the copyright
2015-06-17T17:12:53 < dongs> ^ that
2015-06-17T17:13:00 < karlp> ahh
2015-06-17T17:13:00 < dongs> i last updated that in like 2003.
2015-06-17T17:13:40 < PeterM> karlp yeah, that is probably the only place that looks bad enough
2015-06-17T17:14:09 < karlp> should I see something like this in dmesg or friends where it falls back?
2015-06-17T17:14:33 < PeterM> its probably the hub controller that falls back first so it says nussing
2015-06-17T17:15:07 < karlp> hrm, one of the leds looks like it has rust inside the dome
2015-06-17T17:15:38 < PeterM> if your not fond of cutting up the attached cable , desolder and put on one of the thousands of usb cables you inevitably have sittign around
2015-06-17T17:16:14 < karlp> yeah, I'm kinda more keen on mounting a socket there.
2015-06-17T17:16:27 < karlp> not somethign I'm doing right now though I'm afraid, we're about to get guests and it's a holiday
2015-06-17T17:16:33 < karlp> already spent a bit more time on this than planned :)
2015-06-17T17:16:47 < PeterM> on a hub i'd use one of those massive usb B connectors
2015-06-17T17:17:23 < PeterM> i mean, its not like you care about space *points at xbox hued switch*
2015-06-17T17:17:40 < PeterM> xbox hueg switches*
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2015-06-17T19:47:42 < emeb> jpa-: Got another batch of IR remotes in yesterday. Tried 'em out with the IR decoder in my lightshow board but they didn't work.
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2015-06-17T19:48:28 < emeb> I looked at the signals on the 'scope and the format was right, but the keycodes were completely different. Added them to the switch() statement in the decoder function and everything is good now.
2015-06-17T19:49:40 < emeb> Was originally wondering if that decoder function was necessary - for a fixed set of keycodes it isn't, but it sure makes things nicer when you're working with a variety of remotes that send different codes for the same buttons.
2015-06-17T19:54:01 < karlp> before you know it you've rewritten lirc ;)
2015-06-17T19:55:43 < emeb> god no.
2015-06-17T19:56:01 < emeb> these were at least the same protocol, just different codes.
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2015-06-17T19:56:16 < emeb> If I got a remote that used a different protocol I'd just abandon it.
2015-06-17T19:58:07 < karlp> yeah, even just the codes can grow into a monster though.
2015-06-17T19:58:50 < emeb> true. I guess it's possible to get 64k different ones with this format.
2015-06-17T19:59:16 < emeb> fortunately most cheapo remotes just differentiate by the 1st byte.
2015-06-17T20:01:52 < karlp> love the shipping price on this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-One-S-Power-Button-Phone-Repair-Replacement-Parts-/271596570449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3c6ac751
2015-06-17T20:02:39 < emeb> free?
2015-06-17T20:02:48 < karlp> heh, youð're in arizona aren't you :)
2015-06-17T20:02:52 < emeb> yes
2015-06-17T20:02:56 < karlp> it's 42.75 shipping internationally apparently.
2015-06-17T20:03:01 < karlp> for the 3.99 part.
2015-06-17T20:03:06 < emeb> ya - wondered about that.
2015-06-17T20:03:24 < karlp> terrible pic anyway, will get one from ze germans...
2015-06-17T20:03:39 < karlp> maybe buy this guy's phone and fix the button: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-ONE-S-Unlocked-BLACK-Faulty-Missing-power-button-6898-/311382974741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item487fdf2115
2015-06-17T20:03:59 < emeb> heh
2015-06-17T20:04:03 < emeb> if you can get it open
2015-06-17T20:04:21 < karlp> yeah, same model as my phone,
2015-06-17T20:04:32 < karlp> though given that it's a gadget shop selling it, I bet they already failed to repair it.
2015-06-17T20:04:56 < emeb> I had fun a while back - relatives samsung chromebook w/ busted power jack. $8 for a new one and some screws, glue and solder later it was 100% fixed.
2015-06-17T20:04:58 < karlp> went to a phone repair shop yesterday here, they said, "yeah, we can't repair that, don't have the tools"
2015-06-17T20:05:09 < karlp> apparently they only do whole module replacements, not really a repair shop at all.
2015-06-17T20:05:18 < emeb> like most I guess
2015-06-17T20:05:19 < karlp> they're just an insurance scamming company for phone insurance sold in shops
2015-06-17T20:05:51 < karlp> was a bit dubious by the seats and counters in a front office, was like visiting a bank office
2015-06-17T20:05:58 < emeb> I see so many people using phones with cracked screens lately
2015-06-17T20:06:08 < karlp> girl was a bit taken aback when I said I was looking for an actual repair shop
2015-06-17T20:06:37 < emeb> "What? Actual *Repairs*? Nope, not here."
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2015-06-17T20:27:07 < upgrdman_> looking at the altium schematics from the old altium libraries zip file. some schematice have the ground and VDD nets drawn as a bold red (VDD) or green (GND) line. is this just to clarify that the net is power, or does that indicate thick pcb traces or ground fills/planes?
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2015-06-17T20:41:46 < Laurenceb__> oops
2015-06-17T20:42:01 < upgrdman_> lol
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2015-06-17T20:56:43 < karlp> is the kat alive or dead? http://imgur.com/gallery/nnSz7
2015-06-17T20:57:13 < gxti> damnit
2015-06-17T20:57:22 < gxti> i wasted time decoding Laurenceb__'s spam and it was just a beige rectangle
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2015-06-17T21:18:02 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: uh, didn't you do this thing already a week ago?
2015-06-17T21:18:20 < jpa-> do you spend a lot of time copy-pasting data urls.. especially that one single data url?
2015-06-17T21:18:57 < green1> now, linux kurnel running microcontroller is only 5$.
2015-06-17T21:19:03 < BrainDamage> it's his charts background
2015-06-17T21:19:12 < BrainDamage> would explain many things
2015-06-17T21:19:37 < jpa-> hmm actually different image this time
2015-06-17T21:19:56 < jpa-> they just all begin with /9j/, which kind of makes sense now that i think about it
2015-06-17T21:25:18 < Tectu> Base64 is so lovely, isn't it?
2015-06-17T21:26:30 < Steffanx> You are lovely.
2015-06-17T21:26:45 < Tectu> Awwww, so cute, honey <3
2015-06-17T21:32:05 < Steffanx> why it makes sense jpa-? because jpeg header?
2015-06-17T21:32:35 < jpa-> Steffanx: ya
2015-06-17T21:32:53 < jpa-> Steffanx: also you are lovely too
2015-06-17T21:33:06 < jpa-> just don't flirt with _my_ Tectu 
2015-06-17T21:33:23 < Steffanx> ok ok, will take it to /query Tectu
2015-06-17T21:34:10 < jpa-> :|
2015-06-17T21:36:07 < Steffanx> hows life in finnishland nowadays jpa-?
2015-06-17T21:36:09 < Steffanx> still cold?
2015-06-17T21:36:50 < Tectu> I bet it's warm because it's already -4°C
2015-06-17T21:40:35 < jpa-> actually over 10 degrees
2015-06-17T21:40:45 < jpa-> and seems that we won't be having snow this june at all
2015-06-17T21:41:50 < jpa-> http://aimonen.fi/lampotila/images/daypie.png   however pretty much the coldest early summer in 10 years or so
2015-06-17T21:44:06 < emeb> up over 40C here now
2015-06-17T21:44:26 < emeb> you want some heat - we've got extra!
2015-06-17T21:44:51 < jpa-> emeb: btw, i also thought about making the enum defs to be the remote codes, but i had some very good reason not to do it that way - and no idea what the reason was
2015-06-17T21:46:07 < emeb> jpa-: well, I'd call it foresight. Worked out great.
2015-06-17T21:47:37 < jpa-> maybe it was the "default" case why i did it that way
2015-06-17T21:49:20 < emeb> makes sense.
2015-06-17T21:50:55 < Tectu> emeb, where on earth do you live?
2015-06-17T21:51:36 < Tectu> emeb, aren't you the ami dude with the broken living-room wall?
2015-06-17T21:52:17 < jpa-> https://www.google.fi/maps/place/Equipamentos+Emeb+do+Brasil/@-23.286495,-47.289992,17z/   here obviously!
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2015-06-17T21:52:49 < jpa-> http://www.emeb.com.br/  nice tire thingies, btw!
2015-06-17T21:54:22 < Tectu> jpa-, Steffanx is molesting my physically
2015-06-17T21:54:31 < emeb> Tectu: yes - 2x car thru wall guy.
2015-06-17T21:54:36 < jpa-> Tectu: i know, he tends to do that
2015-06-17T21:54:38 < emeb> I live in Arizona
2015-06-17T21:54:46 < jpa-> Tectu: just close your eyes, it'll end soon - he never lasts long
2015-06-17T21:54:49 < Steffanx> does he lie to you often jpa-?
2015-06-17T21:55:10 < jpa-> Steffanx: yes, he tends to do that
2015-06-17T21:55:24 < Steffanx> ok
2015-06-17T21:55:34 < Tectu> -__-
2015-06-17T21:55:42 < emeb> Steffanx:  just close your ears, it'll end soon - he never lasts long
2015-06-17T21:55:55 < jpa-> nah eyes works also
2015-06-17T21:58:39 < emeb> ooo - forecast for 46C today. toasty!
2015-06-17T21:59:02 < Steffanx> you can give ~6C to me
2015-06-17T21:59:25 < Tectu> emeb, why on earth would you life somewhere where it is that hot...
2015-06-17T21:59:36 < Tectu> emeb, I understand why you like your livingroom wall getting smashed
2015-06-17T21:59:48 < emeb> Tectu: in winter we don't have to shovel snow!
2015-06-17T21:59:50 < Steffanx> live*
2015-06-17T22:00:04 < jpa-> shoveling snow is actually quite fun
2015-06-17T22:00:32 < Tectu> especially if your shovel is a snow blower
2015-06-17T22:00:37 < emeb> but yeah - we sometimes wonder about that too.
2015-06-17T22:00:45 < Tectu> emeb, I could go skiing right now...
2015-06-17T22:00:52 < Steffanx> shoveling by hand jpa-?
2015-06-17T22:01:03 < Steffanx> it's f*cking terrible to do
2015-06-17T22:01:39 < Tectu> Steffanx, it's fun when you can tell your children to do it and laugh at them
2015-06-17T22:01:45 < Tectu> I imagine, at least
2015-06-17T22:01:49 < Steffanx> yes
2015-06-17T22:02:11 < Steffanx> but i believe there is no jjpa yet
2015-06-17T22:02:41 < Tectu> you mean jpaj
2015-06-17T22:02:44 < Tectu> it's wip I bet
2015-06-17T22:02:48 < Steffanx> or that
2015-06-17T22:03:39 < jpa-> wip indeed but no eta
2015-06-17T22:04:00 < jpa-> i'll keep you posted, just follow the publicly logged /q Tectu
2015-06-17T22:04:07 < Steffanx> you know what it does to your free time dont you jpa-?
2015-06-17T22:04:16 < jpa-> what free time?
2015-06-17T22:04:26 < Steffanx> the little you have left
2015-06-17T22:04:27 < jpa-> i have none, nothing to lose \o/
2015-06-17T22:04:46 < Steffanx> you have time to talk here :P
2015-06-17T22:04:56 < Tectu> he's a full time ugfx developer now
2015-06-17T22:05:20 < Tectu> and he spends his 24 hours changing the license because he's so pationate about it
2015-06-17T22:05:34 < jpa-> Steffanx: well i talk here more during work time than evening time now :)
2015-06-17T22:05:40 < BrainDamage> you should switch to hydrairc license
2015-06-17T22:06:21 < Tectu> is that that weird license that dongs once showed that allows everybody to do anything with it but prevents one user of even looking at it?
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2015-06-17T22:07:25 < jpa-> nah, it is just ugfx license written more clearly
2015-06-17T22:08:31 < Tectu> "use it for what ever you like but give me some of your money when you earn money by using it" ?
2015-06-17T22:08:57 < emeb> http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/121737514976/seen-somewhere-or-other
2015-06-17T22:09:44 < Tectu> so is this the time of the year where we all google 'emeb' and post links that come up?
2015-06-17T22:10:33 < Tectu> any synology users here? I'm thinking about replacing my old Q6600 machine that heats up the room with 100W idle power and a PSU that needs to be replaced anyone by a Synologs DS214+
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2015-06-17T22:11:04 < Tectu> I can get the DS214+ for 250€ delivered due to some discount magic and I would take the two 2TB WD RED drives out of my old machine and put 'em into the synology
2015-06-17T22:13:48 < specing> you can build yourself a new PC for less than 250 euro
2015-06-17T22:14:10 < specing> Look at coreboot supported motherboards list
2015-06-17T22:14:18 < BrainDamage> i use a small arm board running lunix and a sata port multiplier with btrfs sw raid5, total cost: 50€ excluding the disks
2015-06-17T22:14:47 < specing> total slowness: *total*
2015-06-17T22:15:01 < BrainDamage> 40MB/S troughtput
2015-06-17T22:15:12 < BrainDamage> not gigantic, but perfectly ok for me
2015-06-17T22:15:15 < Tectu> specing, the current Q6600 machine is running FreeNAS
2015-06-17T22:15:26 < Tectu> specing, how would you build a machine for 250 euro that is somewhat capable
2015-06-17T22:15:54 < Tectu> my current machine gives me 100MB/s write speed and 110MB/s read speed so it's actually at the limit of the gigabit LAN
2015-06-17T22:16:05 < Tectu> it's just that I need to replace the PSU anyway and the machine is generating a lot of useless heat
2015-06-17T22:16:21 < Tectu> and from what I've seen and heard synology seems to be pretty solid
2015-06-17T22:16:28 < specing> Tectu: http://www.logicalincrements.com/
2015-06-17T22:16:31 < BrainDamage> how much do you pay for electricity?
2015-06-17T22:16:38 < specing> Tectu: ^ forget the disks and GPUs
2015-06-17T22:16:42 < Tectu> BrainDamage, -1, paren'ts do it
2015-06-17T22:17:14 < specing> Tectu: that means less money trickles down to you
2015-06-17T22:17:20 < Tectu> specing, damn, that site looks rather nice
2015-06-17T22:17:25 < specing> so in effect, you are paying for it
2015-06-17T22:17:40 < Tectu> I like to keep my room quiet and cold ;-)
2015-06-17T22:17:41 < BrainDamage> 0.22€/kWh and 100W it's almost 200€/year
2015-06-17T22:17:53 < jpa-> expensive electricity tehre
2015-06-17T22:17:55 < BrainDamage> ofc during winter it's not so bad since it's heating
2015-06-17T22:18:06 < BrainDamage> i know :(
2015-06-17T22:18:12 < jpa-> around here i usually use quick rule 1W = 1 EUR/year
2015-06-17T22:18:12 < Tectu> BrainDamage, why on earth do you pay 0.22??
2015-06-17T22:18:14 < specing> BrainDamage: is that with taxes or without?
2015-06-17T22:18:23 < Tectu> We pay 0.13 at night and 0.16 during the day I think
2015-06-17T22:18:35 < specing> I'm 1000% sure BrainDamage did not calculate it properly
2015-06-17T22:18:52 < BrainDamage> no, we just have the 2nd most expensive energy cost in the world
2015-06-17T22:18:59 < BrainDamage> that was average of day and night
2015-06-17T22:19:03 < specing> we pay 0.03 at night and 0.07 at day (euro)
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2015-06-17T22:19:16 < Tectu> specing, that site... wtf. there's a 30.- mainboard?!
2015-06-17T22:19:33 < Tectu> specing, and where on earth do you life? FusionPlant.fr?
2015-06-17T22:19:42 < specing> Tectu: there are 0.- mainboards if you dig garbage bins ;p
2015-06-17T22:20:01 < Tectu> specing, It's not like my current Q6600+intelboard+4GB wouldn't be sufficient ;)
2015-06-17T22:20:31 < specing> Tectu: no, fission
2015-06-17T22:20:56 < Tectu> so I actually entered that into google maps...
2015-06-17T22:20:56 < BrainDamage> we banned fission power
2015-06-17T22:21:08 < specing> BrainDamage: you are a bunch of idiots
2015-06-17T22:21:19 < Tectu> dat politeness
2015-06-17T22:21:29 < specing> can't deny the truth
2015-06-17T22:21:31 < BrainDamage> we still regularry import shitload of it because otherwise the price would be even more insane
2015-06-17T22:21:33 < Tectu> so is "fission" the normal nuclear power plant thing?
2015-06-17T22:21:40 < BrainDamage> yes
2015-06-17T22:21:49 < Tectu> specing, we actually banned it to... I can't belive people can be so stupid
2015-06-17T22:22:06 < Tectu> specing, we have to shut down the last fission thingy in 2016 and there's no fucking replacement yet
2015-06-17T22:22:09 < BrainDamage> fusion atm is limited to bombs, or reactors with negative net energy balance
2015-06-17T22:22:17 < BrainDamage> or stars
2015-06-17T22:22:19 < Tectu> of course the people banning it are also the people saying that we need cheaper energy
2015-06-17T22:22:38 < Tectu> barthess, I know fusion, I just never heard the english term 'fission' before
2015-06-17T22:23:32 < Tectu> I heard that that thorium LFTR technology would do some good but can't be build because nearly any country prohibits building new nuclear power plants :)
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2015-06-17T22:24:17 < jpa-> we didn't ban fission, but we hired the french to build a plant for us and they screwed up
2015-06-17T22:24:25 < jpa-> next we'll try russia, i bet that will go great!
2015-06-17T22:24:46 < Tectu> they screwed up? haw?
2015-06-17T22:25:48 < jpa-> http://www.gizmocrazed.com/2010/09/top-10-most-expensive-single-objects-in-the-world/2/   by ending up on this list
2015-06-17T22:26:00 < BrainDamage> as in you'll build your plants in russia? i guess that'll help reducing the radioactive fallout in the case of screwups
2015-06-17T22:26:18 < jpa-> BrainDamage: no, russia will come build a plant for us in finland
2015-06-17T22:26:39 < BrainDamage> it was not a serious question :p
2015-06-17T22:26:48 < specing> Tectu: china is currently building like 10-15 new fission plants
2015-06-17T22:26:52 < jpa-> :)
2015-06-17T22:26:54 < specing> Tectu: all gigawatt range
2015-06-17T22:27:23 < specing> china is no "democracy" where stupid people would pull the strings every 4 years
2015-06-17T22:27:35 < specing> they plan stuff >25 years into the future
2015-06-17T22:27:35 < Tectu> that's how we do it here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Dixence_Dam
2015-06-17T22:28:23 < BrainDamage> damns have limited locations, we pretty much saturated them in the 60-70s here
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2015-06-17T23:27:44 < Tectu> PaulFertser, are you around?
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2015-06-17T23:43:26 < PaulFertser> Tectu: sort of
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2015-06-17T23:45:53 < Tectu> PaulFertser, was some openocd error. got it fixed. thank you anyway
2015-06-17T23:46:29 < PaulFertser> Tectu: :) have fun
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2015-06-17T23:49:35 < Taxman> has anyone in here experience with dependency files?
2015-06-17T23:49:49 < Taxman> i wanted to add them, but now make says
2015-06-17T23:50:10 < Taxman> build/main.o:1: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored makefile including dependencies
2015-06-17T23:50:31 < Taxman> sorry
2015-06-17T23:50:36 < Taxman> build/main.o:1: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored
2015-06-17T23:50:48 < Tectu> Taxman, you can look at the 114 makefiles in the ugfx repository and you'll probably know anything about makefiles that you can now :P
2015-06-17T23:50:49 < Tectu> know*
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2015-06-17T23:51:17 < Taxman> Tectu: Well, ugfx stuff is hardcore
2015-06-17T23:51:54 < Taxman> but i think it can bring my business ahead
2015-06-17T23:51:58 < Tectu> nah:  http://paste.ugfx.org/show/6c39bca6d0
2015-06-17T23:52:03 < Taxman> so its woth the effort
2015-06-17T23:52:31 < Tectu> $(foreach drv,$(DRIVELETTERS),$(foreach var,$(PATHEXPAND),$(eval $(var):=$$(patsubst $(drv):%,/cygdrive/$(drv)%,$($(var))))))    <--- because cygwin sucks <3
2015-06-17T23:52:50 < Taxman> hehe
2015-06-17T23:53:17 < Tectu> Taxman, I'd wish to help but it's ages ago since I touched the makefile magic. It's now all abstracted so you only set some variables and all is done in some ugly blob
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2015-06-18T00:19:58 < Taxman> ok, solved the problem. it was some stupid typing error
2015-06-18T00:25:38 < Laurenceb__> lulz   http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2015/mar/11/jeremy-clarkson-suspended-eco-feminist-top-gear
2015-06-18T00:25:44 < Laurenceb__> not sure if troll
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2015-06-18T01:30:03 < jadew> http://www.cnet.com/news/fridge-caught-sending-spam-emails-in-botnet-attack/
2015-06-18T01:31:49 < Simon--> still waiting for massive attack from ipmi controllers
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2015-06-18T01:40:44 < Ecco> Hi
2015-06-18T01:41:04 < Ecco> May I ask for some feedback about my first ever PCB design?
2015-06-18T01:41:09 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/U81TKQW.png
2015-06-18T01:42:23 < scummos> the track leading to R2 looks funny
2015-06-18T01:42:35 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-18T01:43:03 < scummos> some of the silk screen is on drills, that will not be readable
2015-06-18T01:43:29 < Ecco> Oh, good point
2015-06-18T01:43:41 < Ecco> Aren't there too many vias?
2015-06-18T01:44:06 < scummos> the second pad of, er, the component next to C1 and C3 is not connected
2015-06-18T01:44:12 < scummos> haha to many vias? you have like 10
2015-06-18T01:44:15 < scummos> :)
2015-06-18T01:44:26 < scummos> start worrying when you have more than 500
2015-06-18T01:44:45 < scummos> also the second pad of C15 is not connected
2015-06-18T01:45:08 < scummos> in fact there are a lot of Cs where only one pad is connected
2015-06-18T01:45:22 < scummos> for the Qs too but that might be correct
2015-06-18T01:45:32 < scummos> ... did you run a DRC?
2015-06-18T01:46:02 < Ecco> Actually I haven't routed the ground
2015-06-18T01:46:15 < scummos> ah
2015-06-18T01:46:20 < Ecco> What's DRC ?
2015-06-18T01:47:07 < scummos> the tool which saves you from having to manufacure your board 17 times before it works
2015-06-18T01:47:11 < scummos> "design rule check"
2015-06-18T01:47:16 < Ecco> Oh, ok :)
2015-06-18T01:47:22 < Ecco> I will give it a try :)
2015-06-18T01:47:57 < scummos> not sure how to run that in your software, but look at the manufacturer's website for the minimum clearances, drill sizes etc. then put that into the DRC dialog, and run it
2015-06-18T01:48:28 < scummos> then absolutely fix everything it comes up with :-)
2015-06-18T01:48:32 < Ecco> I get it
2015-06-18T01:48:42 < Ecco> I'm using Altium CircuitMaker
2015-06-18T01:48:59  * scummos never used that
2015-06-18T01:49:43 < Ecco> It's a stripped down version of Altium Designer
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2015-06-18T02:25:17 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-06-18T02:25:30 < dongs> yeah, of course it has drc
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2015-06-18T04:01:19 < karlp> Laurenceb: http://imgur.com/gallery/pTL6f
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2015-06-18T04:19:51 < Roklobsta> dongs: why do you use altium? is it the least worst in the price bracket?
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2015-06-18T04:38:19 < dongs> Roklobsta: yeah. by far.
2015-06-18T04:38:25 < dongs> ocrad is unusable shit
2015-06-18T04:38:29 < dongs> mental graphics , same
2015-06-18T04:38:35 < dongs> eagle is a joke
2015-06-18T04:38:56 < dongs> altium at least updates often and uses modern hardware/software
2015-06-18T04:39:01 < dongs> like direct3d/etc
2015-06-18T04:39:15 < dongs> when you have a PCB cad that has a hotkey for "redraw all" you know you've failed
2015-06-18T04:39:27 < dongs> because getting stuff mis-drawn on screwen in 2015 while scrolling is a huge fail
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2015-06-18T04:53:33 < Roklobsta> Interesting.  It seems like there is still a market for a good value but well made sch/pcb editor.
2015-06-18T04:53:56 < Roklobsta> I am trying out kicad for my current stm32 project.  So far it feels like Protel98SE.
2015-06-18T04:54:08 < Roklobsta> Which shows how long it's been since i did a pcb.
2015-06-18T04:54:55 < Roklobsta> I and I did 8 layer boards with P98SE with impedance matching.
2015-06-18T04:58:24 < Roklobsta> ah the olden days......
2015-06-18T05:04:24 < dongs> heh
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2015-06-18T05:10:24 < dongs> Roklobsta: R2COM is the pro EDA tool reviewer
2015-06-18T05:15:10 < dongs> Via Array functionality allows you to quickly and easily create a matrix or boundary of vias for plane stitching or net shielding. Matrix parameters can be defined to meet needed requirements and vias are added adhering to design DRC constraints.
2015-06-18T05:15:15 < dongs> lol
2015-06-18T05:15:17 < dongs> altidong had this for years
2015-06-18T05:15:19 < dongs> as well as ~80% of other shit there
2015-06-18T05:15:25 < dongs> the only thing it doesnt is scribble routing
2015-06-18T05:15:27 < dongs> and pros dont need that
2015-06-18T05:15:43 < dongs> incorrect
2015-06-18T05:15:47 < dongs> nice rageout tho
2015-06-18T05:15:59 < dongs> that was last year
2015-06-18T05:16:02 < dongs> 15.1 works fine
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2015-06-18T05:19:42 < Roklobsta> clowns are driving on the wrong side of the road.
2015-06-18T05:21:49 < dongs> why are there traffic cones
2015-06-18T05:21:51 < dongs> on the right lane
2015-06-18T05:22:00 < dongs> did some fuckface crash
2015-06-18T05:26:43 < Roklobsta> show me a big city that doesn't have this scam going.
2015-06-18T05:30:47 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f9_1434573577 murican cops
2015-06-18T05:31:48 < Roklobsta> aussie cops.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals
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2015-06-18T05:35:32 < Roklobsta> see the contrast.  aussie cop doesn't shoot the guy in the car.
2015-06-18T05:39:01 < Roklobsta> i think in the olden days aussie cops were more like the russian ones.
2015-06-18T05:40:06 < Roklobsta> i heard taser then some popping sounds assume gunshots.  dongs, you need to make and sell a better nighttime body cam.  that one sucked.
2015-06-18T05:41:10 < dongs> yah that was horrible
2015-06-18T05:41:14 < dongs> prpobably a shitty gopro
2015-06-18T05:41:54 < Roklobsta> whatever happened to electronic guns with a syslog?
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2015-06-18T05:44:28 < dongs> so I ordered that led driver EVM from TI
2015-06-18T05:44:31 < dongs> shipping was only $7
2015-06-18T05:44:34 < dongs> for fedex IP
2015-06-18T05:44:35 < dongs> so great.
2015-06-18T05:45:48 < Roklobsta> R2COM: I'd say the cops were the least inebriated in that scene.
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2015-06-18T07:38:48 < dongs> i havent done ANYTHING this week
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2015-06-18T07:57:14 < upgrdman> r2com:  http://i.imgur.com/cJP5q5I.gifv
2015-06-18T07:57:38 < dongs> hes gone already :(
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2015-06-18T09:16:05 < dongs> i will fucking make it work off 5V.
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2015-06-18T11:47:22 < stukdev> have you try ac6? i think is horrible ide
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2015-06-18T12:01:26 < jpa-> most ides are horrible
2015-06-18T12:01:50 < rkreis_> i quite like qtcreator
2015-06-18T12:02:10 < jpa-> yes, it is one of the reasonable ones
2015-06-18T12:07:31 < stukdev> qcreator yes when using qt :)
2015-06-18T12:07:51 < stukdev> but ac6 is the "new" of st...but its bad
2015-06-18T12:08:10 < jpa-> qtcreator works reasonably for other C/C++ coding also
2015-06-18T12:08:27 < jpa-> ST making bad software? no way
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2015-06-18T13:05:23 < englishman> dings
2015-06-18T13:05:31 < englishman> dongs
2015-06-18T13:05:36 < englishman> <3
2015-06-18T13:24:22 < englishman> il take two plz
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2015-06-18T14:05:40 < Tectu> wut
2015-06-18T14:05:48 < Tectu> Ecco, ping
2015-06-18T14:07:30 < jadew> qtcreator is pretty bad
2015-06-18T14:07:53 < jadew> it might look neat and it might even have a nice feature set
2015-06-18T14:08:07 < jadew> but the interface is so shitty you'll want to stab yourself in the face
2015-06-18T14:08:26 < jadew> I'm not even sure if you can rearrange those windows
2015-06-18T14:08:57 < Tectu> jadew, I love working with QtCreator. Can you tell me what you don't like?
2015-06-18T14:09:12 < Tectu> jadew, when was the last time you used it?
2015-06-18T14:09:21 < dongs> <tectu> I'm a faggot
2015-06-18T14:09:29 < dongs> this is wwhat i sawa
2015-06-18T14:09:31 < dongs> saw
2015-06-18T14:09:44 < Tectu> lol
2015-06-18T14:10:08 < jadew> Tectu, 2 days ago
2015-06-18T14:10:24 < Tectu> jadew, and nope, you cannot rearange the different windows
2015-06-18T14:11:39 < jadew> kinda says a lot about the power of Qt, isn't it?
2015-06-18T14:12:37 < jadew> hiding them was also a PITA
2015-06-18T14:13:12 < jadew> it seemed like there were different ways of doing it for different windows
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2015-06-18T14:18:40 < Tectu> well, it is definitely not the most feature-rich IDE but it's definitely one of the best that I used so far.
2015-06-18T14:19:00 < Tectu> I don't know how mad it makes you that you cannot rearange windows. I never felt the need to re-arange windows in any IDE
2015-06-18T14:19:11 < Tectu> I'm quite easy to statisfy
2015-06-18T14:19:15 < Tectu> (when it comes to GUIs)
2015-06-18T14:20:29 < jadew> you should try visual studio
2015-06-18T14:21:17 < karlp> you can develop stockholm syndrome with any of them :)
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2015-06-18T14:21:27 < jadew> heh, true
2015-06-18T14:22:40 < Tectu> jadew, because good or bad?
2015-06-18T14:22:51 < jadew> Tectu, VS is the best
2015-06-18T14:23:11 < Tectu> jadew, I worked with it once for two days. I don't have bad memories of it either
2015-06-18T14:23:31 < Tectu> sometimes the debugging stuff was a bit weird, but I probably just failed to understand how to use it properly
2015-06-18T14:23:44 < jadew> it's because it's a piece of technology that has its roots in a time when microsoft was very developer centric
2015-06-18T14:24:11 < jadew> I guess that's what you get when you have good paid developers writing software for themselves :)
2015-06-18T14:24:30 < jadew> the debugger in VS is again, unrivalled
2015-06-18T14:24:39 < jadew> there's nothing else like it
2015-06-18T14:24:59 < karlp> says someone who's heavily invested in using it and has learnt it well :)
2015-06-18T14:25:18 < jadew> karlp, well, I use other IDEs too :)
2015-06-18T14:25:29 < karlp> but I bet you don't know them as well as you know vs.
2015-06-18T14:25:40 < jadew> of course
2015-06-18T14:25:55 < karlp> Laurenceb: this even says "pulse oximetry" on the box! http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/microcontrollers/MAX32600.html
2015-06-18T14:26:15 < jadew> but still, while the other debuggers tell give me whatever::asdf<aosdifjds>::soidjf<asdfas>sdaoifjdsijf::m_data 0x43875843
2015-06-18T14:26:18 < Laurenceb> omg wellness sensor
2015-06-18T14:26:32 < jadew> VS would just say m_data "text"
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2015-06-18T14:35:45 < _Sync_> that depends on your config jadew
2015-06-18T14:47:23 < stukdev> qtcreator have nice simple design, vs have too many option
2015-06-18T14:50:15 < jadew> I felt like it got in the way of what I was doing
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2015-06-18T14:54:16 < jadew> that modes thing is just pointless complication
2015-06-18T14:55:22 < jadew> why would I want to switch to debug view if I'm not debugging?
2015-06-18T15:03:50 < dongs> switch to dong view
2015-06-18T15:03:56 < dongs> where it just scrolls endless penises on your screen
2015-06-18T15:04:00 < dongs> matrix-style
2015-06-18T15:04:20 < jadew> I'm a boobs kind of person
2015-06-18T15:04:24 < dongs> sux 4 u
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2015-06-18T15:16:04 < Laurenceb> i see dongs has been shooting up a church
2015-06-18T15:27:35 < Tectu> Laurenceb link or gtfo
2015-06-18T15:46:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.abbreviations.com/term/1550963
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2015-06-18T16:51:05 < dongs> i read so much about analog stuff today I'm becoming irc pro EE
2015-06-18T16:51:09 < dongs> now I know how diode works!!11
2015-06-18T16:52:03 < jadew> they're like magic capacitors
2015-06-18T16:53:48 < dongs> magically dongous
2015-06-18T16:53:52 < dongs> god damn i have shit to do
2015-06-18T16:53:55 < dongs> and im just jerking off
2015-06-18T16:54:02 < dongs> did this ENTIRE WEEK
2015-06-18T16:54:05 < BrainDamage> truly a irc pro ee
2015-06-18T16:54:08 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-18T16:54:09 < dongs> fuck
2015-06-18T16:55:03 < dongs> maybe one day I'll remember which way to hookup led
2015-06-18T16:55:05 < dongs> so it turns on
2015-06-18T16:55:18 < dongs> without looking on google
2015-06-18T16:55:20 < dongs> so pro
2015-06-18T16:55:54 < jadew> it's actually harder than you might think
2015-06-18T16:56:16 < dongs> Laurenceb: i blame you https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/11011098_449969225163521_216375958338423874_o.jpg
2015-06-18T16:56:27 < jadew> I have red SMD LEDs that are marked one way
2015-06-18T16:56:35 < dongs> jade, i mean on schematic
2015-06-18T16:56:37 < dongs> I'm not THAT PRO
2015-06-18T16:56:37 < jadew> and green SMD LEDs that are marked the other way
2015-06-18T16:56:47 < dongs> all the pro lesd I got are always marked one way
2015-06-18T16:56:53 < dongs> they even have little arrows on the bottom
2015-06-18T16:56:56 < dongs> betwne pads
2015-06-18T16:57:01 < dongs> thats actually the only way to tell 0402 ones
2015-06-18T16:57:03 < jadew> these ones just have a dot
2015-06-18T16:57:06 < dongs> top side mark is invisible
2015-06-18T16:57:50 < jadew> what's with that fire?
2015-06-18T16:58:03 < jadew> looks like a factory
2015-06-18T16:58:04 < dongs> Laurenceb pushed wrong button
2015-06-18T16:59:09 < dongs> k time to make a footprint for antoher retarded cabline connector
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2015-06-18T18:00:57 < _Sync_> dongs: now read up why a shottkey does what it do
2015-06-18T18:01:35 < jubatus> schkottkey
2015-06-18T18:01:41 < jubatus> scotchkey
2015-06-18T18:01:49 < jubatus> shotchkey
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2015-06-18T18:04:18 < bradfirj> scotchkey sounds best
2015-06-18T18:05:15 < dongs> fucking alchoholic
2015-06-18T18:06:24 < dongs> hehe, being able to press JL after just pushing button in altidong and using absolute coords to adjust size of stuff = awesome
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2015-06-18T18:07:55 < dongs> just resized ipex-30 to 40pin by doing move by offset 2 times, then expanded 3d body with 2 clicks and some keypresses.
2015-06-18T18:08:19 < _Sync_> I always mess them up jubatus
2015-06-18T18:13:55 < Laurenceb> shockley
2015-06-18T18:14:02 < _Sync_> reed
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2015-06-18T18:31:16 < karlp> shockley's ceiling
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2015-06-18T18:37:20 < dongs> I-PEX will conduct a screening procedure for the approval of Member admission to the I-PEX Club.
2015-06-18T18:37:22 < dongs> This screening may take some time. We appreciate visitors. kind understanding that some admission requests may be declined as a result of such.screening.
2015-06-18T18:37:26 < dongs> cunts
2015-06-18T18:37:28 < dongs> what teh fuck
2015-06-18T18:37:31 < dongs> why do they need "screening procedure" to download 3d models
2015-06-18T18:41:48 < emeb> to make certain that "those people" don't get access to their critical IP.
2015-06-18T18:42:42 < dongs> oh noez
2015-06-18T18:42:57 < dongs> pretty sure cina actually cloned all of ipex connectors
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2015-06-18T18:48:36 < Laurenceb> cuz 3d printed gunz?
2015-06-18T18:52:52 < dongs> 3d printed cocks
2015-06-18T18:53:31 < Laurenceb> 3d printed dean drive
2015-06-18T18:54:48 < emeb> In the future, malware will infect your 3D printer and churn out "marital aids" when you're not looking.
2015-06-18T18:54:56 < Laurenceb> looolll
2015-06-18T18:58:16 < DanteA> In the future I will have a molecular 3d printer :P
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2015-06-18T18:59:13 < PeterM> in the  future 3d printers will ahve wifi that people leave unprotected like they do on normal prtinters, to which you will randomly print out dicks
2015-06-18T19:01:14 < DanteA> My wi-fi is protected and moreover hidden.
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2015-06-18T19:01:28 < DanteA> Good protection for scanners.
2015-06-18T19:01:39 < DanteA> From*
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2015-06-18T19:30:44 < karlp> dongs: plugging that usb hub in at work shows high speed, same cable and all.
2015-06-18T19:31:12 < karlp> lsusb -v still says protocol full speed, but lsusb -t says it's at 480M, and dmesg says new high speed usb device
2015-06-18T19:31:51 < dongs> oh
2015-06-18T19:32:16 < dongs> wtf ;p
2015-06-18T19:32:19 < karlp> might just be my junky front panel usb at home.
2015-06-18T19:32:19 < dongs> so is it slow at the other pc?
2015-06-18T19:32:23 < dongs> i mena fullspeed-slow
2015-06-18T19:32:23 < dongs> ahh
2015-06-18T19:32:26 < dongs> yeah probably
2015-06-18T19:32:36 < dongs> i only connect keyboards/mice/barcode reader to front usb
2015-06-18T19:32:45 < dongs> on my shit its always been garbage
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2015-06-18T22:52:28 < karlp> heh, plug that hub in at home again, same port as before, high speed.
2015-06-18T22:52:41 < karlp> put the case back on and plug it in, full speed, "not running at top speed..."
2015-06-18T22:53:08 < kakimir> what is state of the innovation today?
2015-06-18T22:54:15 < karlp> yar, sometimes high speed, normally full speed
2015-06-18T22:54:17 < karlp> ratshit junk
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2015-06-18T23:20:39 < Austin___> Does ST detail peripheral operation in any more detail than is in the reference manual for that series?
2015-06-18T23:20:39 < Tectu> no, it looks like shit:  http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/10d67c014cc5.jpg   but it's only there so you can enter the numbers into the dialog:  http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/7cc72d678331.jpg
2015-06-18T23:21:10 < Austin___> I'm using an STM32F4, and quite a few details are either assumed, or not present in the reference manual
2015-06-18T23:21:34 < Austin___> e.g calculation of the CCR and CR2:Freq
2015-06-18T23:21:38 < Tectu> wrong chat, sorry
2015-06-18T23:21:43 < Austin___> for i2C
2015-06-18T23:21:56 < Tectu> Austin___, did you take a look at the AppNotes? Not sure anymore but I think ST has some elaborate app notes about peripherals
2015-06-18T23:22:28 < Austin___> Tectu: Good shout. I'll check
2015-06-18T23:24:25 < Austin___> Tectu: closest note is one on the i2C bootloader
2015-06-18T23:25:13 < Austin___> i suppose i should just take a look at some well regarded existing i2c library?
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2015-06-18T23:35:32 < karlp> zyp: did you ever get around to looking at the l1 stuff I put into laks?
2015-06-18T23:37:00 < Taxman> hi tectu, welcome back
2015-06-18T23:42:40 < Tectu> hi Taxman
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2015-06-18T23:48:19 < Taxman> Tectu: I made it to get gdisk working
2015-06-18T23:48:29 < Taxman> it shows the circles demo
2015-06-18T23:49:05 < Tectu> Taxman, oh, so you started using uGFX? I didn't know that. I only read something about a general makefile question
2015-06-18T23:49:07 < Taxman> but as soon as i enable GINPUT_NEED_MOUSE it does not show anything anymore.
2015-06-18T23:49:20 < Taxman> Tectu: Yes i did
2015-06-18T23:49:31 < Tectu> Taxman, may I ask you about your first impression?
2015-06-18T23:49:50 < Tectu> Taxman, what platform are you on? Are you modifying the config file of an existing demo or did you create a project from scratch?
2015-06-18T23:49:56 < Taxman> the only thing i got working so far is the circles demo
2015-06-18T23:50:24 < Taxman> the architecture looks very good, i like this approach
2015-06-18T23:50:57 < Taxman> i use it on a selfmade STM32F429 board. i created a project from scratch
2015-06-18T23:51:14 < Tectu> Taxman, okay, so next thing you did is enabling the GINPUT module and setting GINPUT_NEED_MOUSE to TRUE?
2015-06-18T23:51:32 < Taxman> yes, needed for the widgets
2015-06-18T23:51:49 < Tectu> did you link a mouse driver?
2015-06-18T23:52:12 < Taxman> include $(GFXLIB)/drivers/ginput/touch/MCU/driver.mk
2015-06-18T23:52:39 < Tectu> just to be sure: you have four-wire touchpanel directly connected to the ADC interface of your MUC?
2015-06-18T23:52:41 < Tectu> MCU*
2015-06-18T23:52:45 < Taxman> and a gmouse_lld_MCU_board.h file, just containing nothing
2015-06-18T23:53:06 < Tectu> that sounds about right. Does the calibration screen show up?
2015-06-18T23:53:34 < Taxman> yes, i have. my own code is doing the touch stuff in a ISR and writing the x,y,z coordinates in a structure
2015-06-18T23:53:46 < Taxman> i see only a blank screen
2015-06-18T23:53:58 < Tectu> Taxman, can you successfully run the /demos/modules/gwin/widgets demo?
2015-06-18T23:54:11 < Tectu> Taxman, did you check with your debugger whether it's halting somewhere?
2015-06-18T23:55:33 < Tectu> Taxman, it might be a good idea to run  /demos/tools/touch_driver_test    and    /demos/tools/touch_raw_readings   to determine issues related to the touchscreen
2015-06-18T23:55:52 < Tectu> Taxman, the latter will really give you just raw readings and might be a good starting point. This way you can verify that you get any sane data
2015-06-18T23:56:10 < Taxman> hehe ok
2015-06-18T23:57:43 < Tectu> Taxman, let me know when you have any new results
2015-06-18T23:58:18 < Taxman> it seems to halt at 0x08010160 in WWDG_IRQHandler ()
2015-06-18T23:58:27 < Taxman> is this watchdog?
2015-06-18T23:58:38 < Tectu> Taxman, nothinig ugfx related.
2015-06-18T23:58:45 < Tectu> Taxman, what underlying system are you using?
2015-06-18T23:58:51 < Taxman> none
2015-06-18T23:58:56 < Taxman> newlib
2015-06-18T23:58:57 < Tectu> Taxman, so RAW32 it is?
2015-06-18T23:59:05 < Taxman> yes
2015-06-18T23:59:07 < Taxman> and my own code
2015-06-18T23:59:19 < Tectu> can you get a stack trace?
2015-06-18T23:59:29 < Taxman> LTDC is initialized by my code first, then ugfx init is called
2015-06-18T23:59:36 < Tectu> the RAW32 port is not ultra heavily tested but no issues are known
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2015-06-19T00:00:18 < Tectu> Taxman, you can (should?) put your LTDC initialization into the board_init() code. There's alos board_postinit() or something like that in case of you use that weird setup where you initialize the display controller via SPI and switch to LTDC afterwards
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> (gdb) bt
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> #0  0x08010160 in WWDG_IRQHandler ()
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> #1  <signal handler called>
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> #2  0x20001560 in end ()
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> #3  0x08003e0e in gdriverRegister (vmt=0x2002ff3c, param=0x20001560) at ugfx_release_23_150516//src/gdriver/gdriver.c:50
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> #4  0x0800cda6 in _gmouseInit () at ugfx_release_23_150516//src/ginput/ginput_mouse.c:649
2015-06-19T00:00:22 < Taxman> #5  0x0800c6d4 in _ginputInit () at ugfx_release_23_150516//src/ginput/ginput.c:31
2015-06-19T00:00:23 < Taxman> #6  0x080032f0 in gfxInit () at ugfx_release_23_150516//src/gfx.c:109
2015-06-19T00:00:24 < Taxman> #7  0x08000fc8 in main () at main.c:636
2015-06-19T00:00:49 < Tectu> yay, GDRIVER
2015-06-19T00:01:12 < Tectu> 	if (vmt->init && !vmt->init(pd, param, dinstance, sinstance)) {
2015-06-19T00:01:13 < Tectu> 		gfxFree(pd);
2015-06-19T00:01:13 < Tectu> 		return 0;
2015-06-19T00:01:13 < Tectu> 	}
2015-06-19T00:01:17 < Tectu> line 50 is the if
2015-06-19T00:01:31 < Taxman> Tectu: This STM32 DISCO driver was too confusing for me, with this SPI stuff
2015-06-19T00:01:33 < Tectu> GDRIVER can't get your magic initialized
2015-06-19T00:02:02 < Tectu> Taxman, yes. I know. the current STM32F42i-Disco board file that is part of the official demo does only use the SPI mode. It's really difficult to set it up
2015-06-19T00:02:25 < Tectu> Taxman, What kind of board did you create? I still need some sane F429i board myself. the disco is of no use for demos
2015-06-19T00:02:34 < Taxman> i wanted to write a clean STM32 LTDC init driver
2015-06-19T00:02:59 < Tectu> "I wanted to write a clean xxx" is probably what everybody who uses STMperiph librarys thinks...
2015-06-19T00:03:31 < Taxman> i created a small board with a TFT pin header suitable for some china 5" and 7" TFTs
2015-06-19T00:03:50 < Taxman> i do not use STMperiph ;)
2015-06-19T00:03:55 < Taxman> just this CMSIS
2015-06-19T00:04:11 < Tectu> Taxman, anyway, time to debug your magic
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2015-06-19T00:05:02 < Tectu> Taxman, do you return TRUE in your init_board() ?
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2015-06-19T00:08:03 < Taxman> http://www.opaya.de/skoepf/stm32.png
2015-06-19T00:09:08 < Taxman> no i did not return TRUE until now
2015-06-19T00:09:32 < Tectu> Taxman, that should fix your issue.
2015-06-19T00:09:53 < Tectu> Taxman, one could add that to the board file template but then people would always just return true w/o thinking about it, I guess
2015-06-19T00:10:58 < Taxman> it did not fix until now, hold on
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2015-06-19T00:27:07 < Taxman> Tectu: even with a return TRUE, it hangs :(
2015-06-19T00:27:57 < Taxman> well  i think i will try to fix this tomorrow
2015-06-19T00:30:39 < Tectu> Taxman, I'm sorry to hear that. I should be around tomorrow to help tracking down the issue.
2015-06-19T00:30:47 < Taxman> thanks :)
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2015-06-19T01:05:13 < zyp> karlp, no, are you done yet?
2015-06-19T01:05:31 < zyp> I think you said you had some stuff remaining last time you mentioned it
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2015-06-19T03:06:52 < karlp> zyp: no, just picking up old projects again, I think I got to a point where I wanted your feeddback on whether what I'd done was right or not, and could be merged as a base for more forwards.
2015-06-19T03:07:05 < karlp> I had a problem with the timing, but that turned out to be user error,
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2015-06-19T04:56:57 < dongs> cool
2015-06-19T04:57:02 < dongs> got approved for ipex secret club
2015-06-19T04:57:07 < dongs> now I can download connector 3d modelz
2015-06-19T05:01:02 < karlp> well, freertos test seems to workish. just a minor bug to work out, but I think that's my problem, not freertos.
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2015-06-19T05:08:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/llCXk51.png
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2015-06-19T05:56:04 < upgrdman> can not unsee   http://i.imgur.com/jMWhuZ4.gif
2015-06-19T06:01:00 < dongs> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/technology/robotica-sony-aibo-robotic-dog-mortality.html?_r=1 fucking japs
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2015-06-19T06:06:31 < dongs> http://www.inquisitr.com/2183402/toyota-pr-chief-arrested/ lol japs
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2015-06-19T06:08:59 < upgrdman> dongs, drone usage:  http://i.imgur.com/Uf5fc7W.gifv
2015-06-19T06:09:12 < dongs> so fucking old
2015-06-19T06:09:56 < dongs> upgrdman: this is way funnier http://i.imgur.com/SKpDYpd.gifv
2015-06-19T06:18:31 < upgrdman> any xilinx pros here?
2015-06-19T06:18:33 < upgrdman> does xilinx offer any sort of internal logic analyzer in their free tools? (like lattice's reveal, etc.)
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2015-06-19T06:47:38 < jadew> lol, I'm working on the color profiles for the thermal camera: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/rF82n.png
2015-06-19T06:47:54 < jadew> it's awesome when it's moving
2015-06-19T06:48:57 < jadew> I'm keeping it
2015-06-19T06:50:04 < dongs> jadew: googleup effectv
2015-06-19T06:50:11 < dongs> and steal some of the fx from tehre
2015-06-19T06:50:24 < jadew> heh
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2015-06-19T07:28:58 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/JxJTj.png
2015-06-19T07:29:01 < jadew> close enough?
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2015-06-19T07:37:24 < jadew> I think it already did
2015-06-19T07:38:06 < jadew> not in a while
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2015-06-19T07:41:04 < jadew> I'm trying to imitate the color profiles from the mobile app
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2015-06-19T07:55:32 < GargantuaSauce> jadew i like this one http://xn--d-bga.su/colourmap.png
2015-06-19T07:55:53 < jadew> what's it called?
2015-06-19T07:56:10 < jadew> I like it too
2015-06-19T07:56:13 < GargantuaSauce> it's what the GOES weather satellites use for ir imaging
2015-06-19T07:56:34 < jadew> cool, I'll map it
2015-06-19T07:56:36 < jadew> thanks
2015-06-19T08:00:10 < GargantuaSauce> oh i guess it's the one environment canada applies in postprocess
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2015-06-19T08:03:37 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, absolutely no idea on how that palette could be called?
2015-06-19T08:04:18 < GargantuaSauce> nope
2015-06-19T08:04:22 < GargantuaSauce> from http://weather.gc.ca/data/satellite/goes_ecan_1070_100.jpg
2015-06-19T08:05:58 < jadew> thanks, I guess I'll call it GOES
2015-06-19T08:06:18 < jadew> doesn't feel right tho
2015-06-19T08:06:52 < jadew> I'll just save it for when I wake up
2015-06-19T08:07:15 < GargantuaSauce> they seem to use different ones for different regions, even from the same satellite http://weather.gc.ca/data/satellite/goes_gedisk11_1070_100.jpg
2015-06-19T08:07:25 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-19T08:07:40 < jadew> I don't think it comes like that from the satellite
2015-06-19T08:08:00 < GargantuaSauce> yeah you're right it's postprocessed
2015-06-19T08:08:36 < GargantuaSauce> well actually i think the satellite also relays the processed/composited ones for ships and such but yeah
2015-06-19T08:08:50 < jadew> possibly
2015-06-19T08:13:26 < dongs> call it anything GOES
2015-06-19T08:15:52 < jadew> good suggestion, but I'm done adding color profiles for tonight
2015-06-19T08:17:25 < GargantuaSauce> ah and i just remembered what i first used that for, the very first time i was messing with image processing http://xn--d-bga.su/veins.png
2015-06-19T08:17:33 < GargantuaSauce> which is just luma->colourmap
2015-06-19T08:17:54 < GargantuaSauce> actually that's a different one duh
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2015-06-19T08:39:53 < jadew> night
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2015-06-19T09:22:11 < dongs> Did you know? The first prototype defibrillators delivered 1,200 joules of electrical energy instead of the now standard 360, occasionally causing dead bodies to sit upright momentarily as though they were still alive.
2015-06-19T09:23:05 < dongs> Did you know? Linus Torvald's position at Transmeta was Tier 3 Technical Support.
2015-06-19T09:26:26 < emeb_mac> dongs: https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/611465485754839040
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2015-06-19T09:38:04 < PeterM> emeb_mac, dongs wut
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2015-06-19T10:41:39 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6868#p6868
2015-06-19T10:41:46 < dongs> lolzano
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2015-06-19T10:45:49 < dongs> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15874380/Shell_minion_2.jpg
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2015-06-19T12:58:47 < dongs> BREAKING: North Korea has developed 'Kumdang-2', a vaccine made from ginseng and other ingredients, that cures MERS, Ebola, SARS and AIDS, The official Korean Central News Agency says.
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2015-06-19T13:09:37 < _Sync_> dongs: are you sure you got that right?
2015-06-19T13:09:47 < _Sync_> I thought they called it cumdong-420
2015-06-19T13:18:26 < scrts_w> :))
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2015-06-19T14:28:29 < byves> hi ther
2015-06-19T14:29:00 < byves> i'm using stm32l0xx libs
2015-06-19T14:29:23 < byves> and trying to configure the AWU with the timeout function
2015-06-19T14:29:54 < byves> i want to wake on EXTI (button press) and then resume sleep
2015-06-19T14:30:03 < karlp> AWU?
2015-06-19T14:30:08 < dongs> i thought you can only do that with PA0
2015-06-19T14:30:09 < byves> auto wake up
2015-06-19T14:30:15 < dongs> to wake up from deepsleep
2015-06-19T14:30:18 < dongs> maybe  differnet on L0
2015-06-19T14:30:20 < byves> nop
2015-06-19T14:30:24 < byves> you can use LSE
2015-06-19T14:30:34 < dongs> doesnt sound like very good sleep then
2015-06-19T14:30:37 < byves> to wake your device.. i'm doing that
2015-06-19T14:30:45 < byves> 600uA
2015-06-19T14:30:50 < byves> its enough for me
2015-06-19T14:30:59 < byves> but thats not the point
2015-06-19T14:31:27 < karlp> byves: the manual says there's only a few exti lines that can be used for it.
2015-06-19T14:31:32 < karlp> have you read the ref manual on this section?
2015-06-19T14:31:43 < byves> yes..
2015-06-19T14:31:55 < karlp> so, what's th eproblem?
2015-06-19T14:31:56 < byves> that stuff is working
2015-06-19T14:32:15 < byves> the problem is that HAL_RTCEx_GetWakeUpTimer returns the timeout value
2015-06-19T14:32:28 < byves> instead of timer counter value
2015-06-19T14:32:35 < byves> and i cant resume
2015-06-19T14:33:12 < byves> so if i want to wake up after 5 sec, and i get an EXTI at 3 sec, a cannot goto sleep for the remaing 2 sec
2015-06-19T14:34:06 < byves> because i dont know how many time has passed when i pressed the button
2015-06-19T14:36:02 < byves> any guess?
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2015-06-19T14:47:08 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10984
2015-06-19T14:47:11 < dongs> W O W
2015-06-19T14:47:42 < dongs> i gotta find chinq factory they're getting these fucking things from
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2015-06-19T14:50:48 < karlp> what's so special abotu that?
2015-06-19T14:50:56 < karlp> were't you working with these yoruself recently? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10982
2015-06-19T14:54:19 < dongs> yes,m thats teh straight version
2015-06-19T14:54:21 < dongs> I didnt know RA existred
2015-06-19T14:54:25 < dongs> chinagirl failed to find it anyway
2015-06-19T14:54:31 < dongs> i will have to try again
2015-06-19T14:54:53 < karlp> oh, it's the RA bit that's _wow_
2015-06-19T14:55:02 < dongs> yes
2015-06-19T15:01:00 < dongs> hm
2015-06-19T15:01:06 < dongs> sparkfuck added that RA encoder on october 2014
2015-06-19T15:01:10 < dongs> at least into thier library
2015-06-19T15:01:36 < dongs> oh no
2015-06-19T15:01:40 < dongs> 2+ years a go
2015-06-19T15:01:41 < dongs> hmhm
2015-06-19T15:04:18 < _Sync_> oh
2015-06-19T15:04:23 < _Sync_> those seem to be cool
2015-06-19T15:05:18 < byves> sorry guys.. again.. does anyone have any insights on this function from stm32l0xx HAL_RTCEx_GetWakeUpTimer();
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2015-06-19T15:09:12 < byves> anyone using them stm32l0 drivers?
2015-06-19T15:09:13 < dongs> view source, see what it does
2015-06-19T15:09:27 < byves> yes.. i know what it does..
2015-06-19T15:09:36 < byves> it returns the WUT register
2015-06-19T15:09:38 < dongs> why not manually do those registers then
2015-06-19T15:10:00 < byves> return ((uint32_t)(hrtc->Instance->WUTR & RTC_WUTR_WUT));
2015-06-19T15:10:16 < dongs> hah.. that indirection.
2015-06-19T15:10:35 < dongs> why not just HRTC->WUTR
2015-06-19T15:10:38 < dongs> sigh.
2015-06-19T15:10:55 < byves> this is what it does where RTC_WUTR_WUT is a mask 0xffff for the LSB
2015-06-19T15:11:13 < byves> yes.. i did that.. but it's just nonsense
2015-06-19T15:11:22 < dongs> nonense as in wat
2015-06-19T15:11:28 < dongs> youre not getting the value?
2015-06-19T15:11:45 < byves> i'm getting the timout value instead of the counter value
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2015-06-19T15:12:15 < byves> time out is 5000 millisecs and counter returns the same (instead of for eg 3202)
2015-06-19T15:12:52 < byves> the thing is that i'm reading this value after EXTI interrupt from button press
2015-06-19T15:13:10 < byves> if  let the counter run freely. it does the 5000 millisec just fine
2015-06-19T15:15:41 < byves> a guy with the same problem:
2015-06-19T15:15:42 < byves> https://developer.mbed.org/questions/5058/Enabling-RTC-wake-up-on-STM32L0/
2015-06-19T15:16:14 < dongs> did ytou check errata
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2015-06-19T15:21:29 < byves> nop
2015-06-19T15:21:35 < byves> where can i find it?
2015-06-19T15:21:47  * karlp peers at byves
2015-06-19T15:22:07 < karlp> you need three sheets at all time,s the data sheet, the ref man, and the errata sheet
2015-06-19T15:22:49 < byves> ok.. i'll find it
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2015-06-19T15:27:24 < byves> yes.. i found something about it.. i'ma try it
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2015-06-19T15:33:52 < karlp> heh, those GPIOx_OTYPER errata on l0 are quirky
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2015-06-19T15:54:03 < dongs> lol, zano is going to use windowing and 170" fisheye lens
2015-06-19T15:54:06 < dongs> to "tilt the camera"
2015-06-19T15:54:36 < _Sync_> 0o
2015-06-19T15:54:52 < _Sync_> that's what they have the HPC cluster for
2015-06-19T15:58:39 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-19T15:58:43 < Laurenceb> dat lag
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2015-06-19T16:02:00 < Laurenceb> loooorrrfff
2015-06-19T16:02:02 < Laurenceb> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--W0owFhEP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1302710691016071571.png
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2015-06-19T16:02:40 < Laurenceb> so thats how to get facebook friends
2015-06-19T16:03:06 < dongs> loler
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2015-06-19T16:04:42 < superbia> sup blogs
2015-06-19T16:05:05 < dongs> blogging
2015-06-19T16:06:48 < Tectu> Dylan Roofy
2015-06-19T16:10:56 < Laurenceb> zano aka hubriscopter
2015-06-19T16:12:10 < superbia> http://cs313720.vk.me/v313720138/491a/GzDdqc346AI.jpg
2015-06-19T16:24:01 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/un4WGY5.jpg
2015-06-19T16:24:36 < BrainDamage> that pic is so old the dog already died of old age
2015-06-19T16:24:51 < BrainDamage> >2008
2015-06-19T16:24:55 < dongs> you can tell by jpeg artifacts
2015-06-19T16:25:04 < Laurenceb> you can tell byt he pixels
2015-06-19T16:25:11 < dongs> as its getting reuploaded on every retarded meme site
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2015-06-19T16:27:29 < BrainDamage> http://www.howtogeek.com/219700/what-is-wi-fi-sense-and-why-does-it-want-your-facebook-account/ microsoft trolling at it's best
2015-06-19T16:31:53 < Laurenceb> this is not the vibration i was looking for http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16304567
2015-06-19T16:34:21 < superbia> Ferticare penile vibrator (Multicept A/S Horsholm, Denmark) using a standardised technique. ?
2015-06-19T16:34:34 < Laurenceb> lorf
2015-06-19T16:37:37 < superbia> FERTI CARE®personal comes with a 12 month warranty that covers mechanical or electrical failure due to defective parts or workmanship.
2015-06-19T16:37:57 < superbia> http://www.multicept.dk/PBS/index.htm
2015-06-19T16:38:02 < superbia> looks like a lightsaber
2015-06-19T16:38:45 < Laurenceb> ok you are taking wayyyy too much interest in that thing
2015-06-19T16:39:23 < Laurenceb> i was just remarking that you need to be as careful searching pubmed as google images
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2015-06-19T16:56:36 < dongs> Thx for the update. I'm at work now so just scanned your update. I don't see anything about delivering dates, so just out of curiosity: will I be lucky to have a ZANO during my holiday to the US starting from July 18? :)
2015-06-19T16:57:53 < dongs> We are a team of ethical, honest and very hardworking people doing our upmost to provide everyone who's backed, committed and supported us on our journey thus far, with the best produce we can achieve...
2015-06-19T16:59:55 < superbia>  with the best produce we can achieve...
2015-06-19T17:00:56 < specing> TIL zanos grow on a field
2015-06-19T17:01:02 < dongs> i guess they're gorwing lettuce
2015-06-19T17:01:04 < dongs> dammit, you beat me to it
2015-06-19T17:06:29 < Laurenceb> zano delayed?
2015-06-19T17:06:39 < dongs> of course
2015-06-19T17:06:59 < Laurenceb> 4 realz?
2015-06-19T17:07:20 < superbia> wtf iz zano
2015-06-19T17:12:26 < gxti> nothing
2015-06-19T17:12:49 < superbia> not sure if trolling , but their website seems troll
2015-06-19T17:13:54 < dongs> it is troll
2015-06-19T17:14:06 < dongs> intelligent swarming
2015-06-19T17:14:07 < dongs> wiht pic32
2015-06-19T17:14:26 < superbia> pic32 is nice
2015-06-19T17:14:42 < dongs> not for this application
2015-06-19T17:14:53 < superbia> beg my pardon
2015-06-19T17:14:59 < superbia> but what is the application of it?
2015-06-19T17:15:08 < dongs> dronies
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2015-06-19T18:00:22 < Laurenceb> A13 would do it
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2015-06-19T18:11:39 < Laurenceb> http://www.9wtf.com/uploads/TheHandPositionSaysItAll-res.jpg
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2015-06-19T18:47:51 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/McNOxUM.jpg
2015-06-19T18:51:10 < superbia> photoshopo
2015-06-19T18:52:54 < dongs> looks like retardshop to me
2015-06-19T18:53:39 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/8/86/Castration_truck.jpg/750px-Castration_truck.jpg
2015-06-19T18:57:20 < superbia> nice vlog Laurenceb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBoRPXXWsqw
2015-06-19T18:58:54 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-06-19T18:59:05 < superbia> you have nice accent man
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2015-06-19T19:05:00 < dongs> unfunny
2015-06-19T19:27:37 < superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi1LdFkRzIs&feature=youtu.be&t=5m59s
2015-06-19T19:28:18 < dongs> garbage
2015-06-19T19:28:49 < dongs> typical lunix user http://i.imgur.com/rOUJvAH.jpg
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2015-06-19T19:32:43 < superbia> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/ea/76/97ea769f5383d57167f403157c3ed65d.jpg
2015-06-19T19:34:05 < Getty> this is great, getting error code -12, checking err list, only goes to -11
2015-06-19T19:34:08 < Getty> i love it
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2015-06-19T20:27:21 < Tectu> The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: ssd1963
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2015-06-19T20:42:13 < Steffanx> ugfx forum?
2015-06-19T20:44:57 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-06-19T21:33:00 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-06-19T21:33:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vakWMNA1oWc
2015-06-19T21:33:06 < Laurenceb> check the comments
2015-06-19T21:34:32 < Steffanx> boring
2015-06-19T21:34:38 < _Sync_> oh wow, you know you are bsnz when the top commenter is weev
2015-06-19T21:35:10 < _Sync_> '+weevlos I wrote a compiler, nigger.  I am smarter than Linus.  I wrote a kernel and compiler.
2015-06-19T21:35:13 < _Sync_> '
2015-06-19T21:35:15 < _Sync_> wow.
2015-06-19T21:35:54 < Tectu> is that terry a davis dude serious or trolling all over the place?
2015-06-19T21:36:05 < englishman> comments have been disabled for this video
2015-06-19T21:36:08 < englishman> ...?
2015-06-19T21:36:12 < englishman> is what I see
2015-06-19T21:36:17 < Tectu> lol, not here
2015-06-19T21:36:23 < Laurenceb> haha banned in your country
2015-06-19T21:36:28 < Tectu> "I'm not disagreeing with you, friend! I just ask that you not refer to GNU/Linux as Linux!"
2015-06-19T21:36:31 < Tectu> dat shit
2015-06-19T21:36:39 < englishman> maybe shutty mobile jewtube
2015-06-19T21:36:48 < Tectu> don't go dongs mode, englishman
2015-06-19T21:37:23 < specing> dongs: more like typical zano backer
2015-06-19T21:37:44 < englishman> youkike?
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2015-06-19T21:38:02 < _Sync_> Tectu: more like don't go full depth dong
2015-06-19T21:38:04 < Tectu> dong is zano CEO
2015-06-19T21:38:10 < Tectu> _Sync_, lol
2015-06-19T21:38:16 < specing> Tectu: certainly feels like it
2015-06-19T21:38:31 < specing> Tectu: more like previous CEO that got fired over bullshit
2015-06-19T21:38:38 < specing> ...bullshitting
2015-06-19T21:38:59 < specing> I can see several sound reasons why one might fire dongs
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2015-06-19T21:40:13 < Steffanx> why hire him in the first place? :P
2015-06-19T21:40:34 < Tectu> That's what I was going to say but I resisted because #SwissPeopleAreNicePeople
2015-06-19T21:40:42 < specing> Steffanx: by mistake?
2015-06-19T21:41:46 < Tectu> the only reason I can think of to hire dongs is because you have an employee that is really annoying but you can't get rid of it so you get dongs in order to make him quit on his own
2015-06-19T21:41:47 < Steffanx> #SwissPeopleAreNicePeopleExceptOne
2015-06-19T21:41:52 < Steffanx> *Two
2015-06-19T21:43:53 < specing> Tectu: lol
2015-06-19T21:44:24 < specing> Tectu: but then dongs becomes that employee and you are back at square one
2015-06-19T21:44:41 < Steffanx> i bet dongs is a really nice guy in real life
2015-06-19T21:45:08 < Tectu> specing, you start forcing your employees to use linux and he'll be gone in no time
2015-06-19T21:45:17 < Steffanx> big mouth small heart guy
2015-06-19T21:45:45 < Tectu> I bet he owns one of those places where you pay money to cuddle with a cosplay model
2015-06-19T21:47:09 < Tectu> somebody fix my SSD1963 please
2015-06-19T21:47:15 < Tectu> it's 800x480 but heaves like it's 640x480
2015-06-19T21:47:40 < Steffanx> fix typo in ugfx.h
2015-06-19T21:47:57 < Tectu> file not found
2015-06-19T21:48:04 < Steffanx> screen_conf.h?
2015-06-19T21:48:08 < Steffanx> display_config.h?
2015-06-19T21:48:13 < Steffanx> board_config.h?
2015-06-19T21:48:36 < Tectu> file not found
2015-06-19T21:48:36 < Tectu> file not found
2015-06-19T21:48:36 < Tectu> file not found
2015-06-19T21:48:52 < Laurenceb> non troll not found
2015-06-19T21:49:05 < Steffanx> hi Laurenceb. How is the rockoon going?
2015-06-19T21:49:24 < Laurenceb> too busy trying to organise shit :-/
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2015-06-19T21:56:28 < tecdroid> hi
2015-06-19T21:56:40 < Steffanx> lo
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2015-06-19T22:15:43 < Tectu> how not to format your code: http://paste.ugfx.org/show/a39324e70d
2015-06-19T22:16:04 < Steffanx> how not to write macro's
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2015-06-19T22:47:15 < jadew> Laurenceb, why are you looking at videos relevant in the early 80s?
2015-06-19T22:51:56 < jadew> I just read the comments
2015-06-19T22:52:19 < jadew> so that Terry guy took trolling to a whole new level, eh?
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2015-06-19T22:54:45 < jadew> lmfao, that shit is funny
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2015-06-19T22:58:52 < ambro718> Hey, does anyone know a mirror with specific versions of Cube releases? The only official URL that I can find is for whatever the latest version is; http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/st_prod_software_internet/resource/technical/software/firmware/stm32cubef4.zip;
2015-06-19T22:59:12 < ambro718> not quite useful for automating the download in a package manager
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2015-06-19T23:05:13 < jadew> lol, that shit is pure gold
2015-06-19T23:11:42 < ambro718> please help, I need the release with sha256 b5deff0c2da912de9a1d4b2473b66d39e405a6926c085f688ac55212102270da
2015-06-19T23:12:04 < karlp> what world are you in that you need that particular release?
2015-06-19T23:12:25 < ambro718> I have developed/tested my software with that release
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2015-06-19T23:16:17 < karlp> maybe you should hav ekept it then :)
2015-06-19T23:16:44 < ambro718> maybe ST should be a responsible company and keep old releases ;)
2015-06-19T23:21:12 < karlp> call up your FAE and complain then.
2015-06-19T23:39:11 < MrMobius> anyone know if hpcd_USB_OTG_HS.Init.low_power_enable is the same as hpcd_USB_OTG_HS.Init.lpm_enable? lpm_enable is not in that struct
2015-06-19T23:58:20 < superbia> Laurenceb: http://n-o-d-e.net/post/121916100016/could-you-fall-in-love-with-an-ai
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2015-06-20T00:04:27 < Steffanx> hows ranewen superbia?
2015-06-20T00:09:05 < MrMobius> working GCC code for the virtual com port with HAL drivers is like a freaking unicorn
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2015-06-20T00:16:15 < Tectu> are freaking unicorns considered a good and nice thing?
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2015-06-20T00:18:01 < MrMobius> hard to say
2015-06-20T00:18:06 < MrMobius> since they dont exist
2015-06-20T00:18:13 < karlp> ambro718: weren't you writing everything in your own c++ anyway?
2015-06-20T00:18:48 < ambro718> not everything. Well it doesn't matter, I've already updated it.
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2015-06-20T00:28:13 < Tectu> MrMobius, please stop your racisism
2015-06-20T00:28:31 < Tectu> racism*, according to google
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2015-06-20T02:35:55 < zyp> karlp, ok, I'll take a look when I get home
2015-06-20T02:36:02 < zyp> IIRC it looked good
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2015-06-20T02:54:54 < emeb> F746VG in stock at mouser -> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F746VGT6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu0dYp3dYbBlegJpFAYVTPixxVBRRQSrNw%3d
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2015-06-20T02:56:04 < dongs> such price wow
2015-06-20T02:56:51 < emeb> No bargains
2015-06-20T03:01:44 < BrainDamage> daily bullshit link, but the sentences are hilarious: http://www.fiftyshadesgenerator.com/
2015-06-20T03:01:56 < BrainDamage> > The thrusting makes me flow my flange custard all over his cumtree.
2015-06-20T03:02:09 < BrainDamage> > Leaving my panties sunny side up on the floor was the least of my worries as his thrill drill stuffed deeper into my mud flap. 
2015-06-20T03:11:23 < yan_> is there any way to confirm that i got LSE load caps correct? i tried checking the xtal with a scope, but i'm not getting a stable waveform (probably because i'm loading it excessively with the probe)
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2015-06-20T03:14:37 < Laurenceb__> speed increased?
2015-06-20T03:14:45 < emeb> Measure the oscillator frequency by routing it out to MCO.
2015-06-20T03:14:46 < Laurenceb__> i thought it was supposed to be 200mhz
2015-06-20T03:14:48 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-06-20T03:14:56 < Laurenceb__> crossed wires
2015-06-20T03:15:42 < yan_> btw wanted to thank the channel in general.. i was here a few months ago asking silly questions about routing swd.. i just finished soldering the board and everything works! including debugging
2015-06-20T03:16:11 < emeb> kewl. what's it do?
2015-06-20T03:16:12 < Laurenceb__> 100 pins is a bit large
2015-06-20T03:16:20 < Laurenceb__> guess its ok for intended applications
2015-06-20T03:16:40 < emeb> Laurenceb__ 216MHz I guess
2015-06-20T03:17:06 < yan_> emeb: mine? it's an altimeter/variometer with some flash/bluetooth on board
2015-06-20T03:17:14 < yan_> ble works too, but i think i fucked up the antenna, the gain is weak
2015-06-20T03:17:38 < emeb> nifty!
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2015-06-20T03:18:23 < yan_> http://i.imgur.com/4hrapKE.jpg
2015-06-20T03:18:38 < Laurenceb__> I wonder if F7 will be faster than F4 with asm
2015-06-20T03:19:08 < Laurenceb__> cool, wazzit do?
2015-06-20T03:19:14 < Laurenceb__> oh
2015-06-20T03:19:18  * Laurenceb__ learns to read
2015-06-20T03:19:29 < dongs> i spot an eagle-designed board
2015-06-20T03:19:34 < Laurenceb__> lol why?
2015-06-20T03:19:38 < yan_> kicad, actually. why eagle?
2015-06-20T03:19:45 < Laurenceb__> dongs fails
2015-06-20T03:19:56 < dongs> aww.
2015-06-20T03:20:00 < dongs> it was something even shittier than eagle
2015-06-20T03:20:04 < Laurenceb__> cortex m7 doesnt look very well suited to asm
2015-06-20T03:20:11 < yan_> i tried eagle a bit, but i've grown to like kicad way more
2015-06-20T03:20:22 < Laurenceb__> so i wonder if you can beat it with hand optimised on m4
2015-06-20T03:20:39 < emeb> Laurenceb__: only real mean program ARM in assy.
2015-06-20T03:21:03 < emeb> you think you can out-do compiler optimized C with assy?
2015-06-20T03:21:07 < Laurenceb__> thumb2 is really nice
2015-06-20T03:21:09 < Laurenceb__> sure
2015-06-20T03:21:26 < Laurenceb__> somewhere i have a nice optimised iir filter
2015-06-20T03:21:29 < emeb> keeping track of all the pipelining and branch prediction by hand?
2015-06-20T03:22:13 < emeb> Only one guy I know who can beat a compiler - Mans Rullgard. He's been doing hand-optimized assy for video & audio for years.
2015-06-20T03:22:21 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/10249618
2015-06-20T03:23:20 < emeb> yan_: nice looking board. Fun doing stuff with CSP.
2015-06-20T03:24:13 < yan_> emeb: csp?
2015-06-20T03:24:23 < emeb> chipscale / qfn
2015-06-20T03:24:52 < Laurenceb__> that board looks like bga to me?
2015-06-20T03:24:58 < Laurenceb__> no shiny silicon
2015-06-20T03:25:31 < yan_> emeb: ah yeah.. this is board #2 actually, after i had to fix a few issues with the first board.. that, and i ripped a pad off accidentally
2015-06-20T03:25:40 < yan_> lesson learned: don't place pads for testpoints right over traces.. ripped out the trace with it
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2015-06-20T04:50:59 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/58724371/deal-4 STUFF4STUFF
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2015-06-20T05:02:17 < dongs> Did you know? When you swap to CMYK instances of the word "neighbor" print as "nigger" due to halftone patterning errors.
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2015-06-20T05:57:51 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrtyhctcsNU
2015-06-20T05:57:58 < upgrdman> also R2COM ^
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2015-06-20T07:08:37 < dongs> lol'
2015-06-20T07:08:38 < dongs> d
2015-06-20T07:11:45 < emeb_mac> troll-lol
2015-06-20T07:25:49 < jadew> this was a historical day for me, I opensourced something
2015-06-20T07:27:57 < Getty> \o/
2015-06-20T07:27:58 < jadew> it didn't come easy, but I promised last week that I would
2015-06-20T07:28:08 < Getty> what is it? does it walk?
2015-06-20T07:28:28 < jadew> it walks
2015-06-20T07:28:35 < Getty> is it human???
2015-06-20T07:28:46 < jadew> cyborg
2015-06-20T07:28:59 < Getty> well lets hope its not a zano cyborg ;)
2015-06-20T07:30:22 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/eJtkG.png
2015-06-20T07:30:34 < jadew> it's that app that talks to the seek thermal
2015-06-20T07:31:31 < jadew> had to write extra code because I didn't want to share my precious libraries :P
2015-06-20T07:46:43 < dongs> url to your shithub
2015-06-20T07:46:48 < dongs> or is it somewhre on dumb.ro
2015-06-20T07:47:09 < jadew> https://github.com/rzva/ThermalView
2015-06-20T07:47:31 < dongs> .workspace?
2015-06-20T07:47:33 < dongs> what hte fuck is that
2015-06-20T07:47:36 < dongs> some opensores shitide?
2015-06-20T07:47:37 < jadew> lol
2015-06-20T07:47:39 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-20T07:47:40 < jadew> codelite
2015-06-20T07:47:46 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2015-06-20T07:47:55 < Roklobsta> use code::bollocks instead
2015-06-20T07:47:57 < dongs> wxwidgets??
2015-06-20T07:47:59 < jadew> I wanted wxWidgets
2015-06-20T07:48:00 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-20T07:48:00 < dongs> what hte fuck
2015-06-20T07:48:02 < dongs> page closed
2015-06-20T07:48:05 < jadew> lol
2015-06-20T07:48:05 < dongs> respect: lost
2015-06-20T07:48:32 < jadew> I promised I'll release the code and didn't want to go with what I had with WTL
2015-06-20T07:48:44 < jadew> because I would have had to share some of my cool stuff
2015-06-20T07:48:47 < Roklobsta> well, it could be QT with a 20MB statically linked .exe
2015-06-20T07:49:05 < jadew> yeah, I tried Qt and hated it
2015-06-20T07:49:24 < jadew> wxWidgets doesn't seem to add up to small binaries either
2015-06-20T07:49:33 < jadew> it's 6 Mb for that simple app
2015-06-20T07:50:04 < dongs> i dont really see how you'd need to share anything cool in WTL
2015-06-20T07:50:05 < jadew> the WTL version would have been something like... 500k or less
2015-06-20T07:50:08 < dongs> if you k ept the UI in that
2015-06-20T07:50:13 < dongs> its just simple buttonz and shit
2015-06-20T07:50:34 < jadew> dongs, well, for one I have a nice image control that does a lot of cool stuff
2015-06-20T07:50:43 < jadew> and an image container
2015-06-20T07:51:12 < jadew> then there's the USB things which I would have had to scrap anyway if I opened it
2015-06-20T07:51:49 < Roklobsta> just use tcl:tk
2015-06-20T07:53:03 < jadew> from there to making it available to linux folks too was a fairly small step
2015-06-20T07:53:37 < jadew> about codelite, it's similar in some ways to VS, that's where they got their inspiration from anyway, which is a good thing
2015-06-20T07:54:03 < jadew> it's the most tolerable opensource IDE I've used
2015-06-20T07:54:05 < dongs> A complex design, development and production programme.
2015-06-20T07:54:05 < dongs> Genuine innovation, including the design for manufacture aspects such as the circuit board acting as the frame, not to mention all of the sensor fusion and OBSTACLE AVOIDANCE!!
2015-06-20T07:54:08 < dongs> State of the art within such a form factor.
2015-06-20T07:54:35 < jadew> zano?
2015-06-20T07:54:38 < dongs> ya
2015-06-20T07:54:51 < dongs> pretty sure china innovated using PCB as frames like yearsa go
2015-06-20T07:54:59 < dongs> before tehse zano dickheads even thought about scamming a bunch of people
2015-06-20T07:55:02 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-20T07:55:20 < dongs> and IR based obstacle avoidance has been tested be academics and rejected as mostly useless
2015-06-20T07:55:35 < jadew> anyway, fiy, wxWidgets is quite ok to work with, I think the guy who started that project was a windows programmer
2015-06-20T07:55:53 < jadew> because everything is extremely familiar in how it works, so I found it very easy to pick it up
2015-06-20T07:56:24 < jadew> the downside is that linking takes a shitload of time and that gdb is not VS
2015-06-20T07:56:54 < jadew> I think I spent most of the time waiting for it to link or trying to work around the limitations of the debuger
2015-06-20T07:57:10 < jadew> dongs, did they release any other videos?
2015-06-20T07:57:16 < dongs> of couirse not
2015-06-20T07:57:18 < dongs> they posted an update
2015-06-20T07:57:28 < dongs> that they'er gonna be windowing the 5mp sensor
2015-06-20T07:57:33 < dongs> wiht a 170" fisheye lens
2015-06-20T07:57:35 < dongs> to "tilt" the camera
2015-06-20T07:57:37 < dongs> in software.
2015-06-20T07:57:52 < jadew> lol
2015-06-20T07:57:54 < emeb_mac> http://www.freshnelly.com/showbox-sampler.htm
2015-06-20T07:58:22 < dongs> emeb_mac: loll.
2015-06-20T07:58:25 < dongs> rpelaced by a single F3???
2015-06-20T07:58:44 < emeb_mac> or F4 w/ SDRAM ifc
2015-06-20T07:59:06 < emeb_mac> "When your only tool is an Arduino..."
2015-06-20T08:02:42 < dongs>  If there was ever a good idea on controlling a SDRAM with a microcontroller, this is it! The diagram says it all....
2015-06-20T08:02:45 < dongs> As mentioned, the PIC16F887 does the "grunt" work of controlling the SDRAM, and the Arduino does all the fancy stuff. To clarify, the PIC chip controls the addressing, loading, and transfer of data to and from the SDRAM, ADC, Latches, and DAC. Not shown it also will control De-glitching of the DAC output if needed.
2015-06-20T08:02:50 < dongs> nah
2015-06-20T08:02:52 < dongs> such fail
2015-06-20T08:02:54 < dongs> how about using right tool for the job???
2015-06-20T08:03:57 < jadew> I think that project is more about doing the project than anything
2015-06-20T08:04:06 < dongs> wank for the hell of it
2015-06-20T08:04:09 < dongs> instead of getting shit done
2015-06-20T08:04:12 < dongs> i guess urrite
2015-06-20T08:04:15 < dongs> the typical tardruino way
2015-06-20T08:04:21 < dongs> do just so you can do and look busy.
2015-06-20T08:04:43 < jadew> if they're learning something is not a complete waste of time
2015-06-20T08:05:02 < jadew> my hope is that some of these arduino guys will eventually outgrow it
2015-06-20T08:06:37 < emeb_mac> +1
2015-06-20T08:10:48 < upgrdman> jadew, look like you used vxwindows? how do you like it?
2015-06-20T08:11:12 < upgrdman> err wx
2015-06-20T08:14:39 < jadew> upgrdman, it's not bad
2015-06-20T08:14:49 < jadew> a lot like regular windows programming
2015-06-20T08:14:58 < jadew> maybe even a bit better
2015-06-20T08:15:25 < jadew> but the executables are larger
2015-06-20T08:15:58 < upgrdman> most of my guis are in java/swing. it's very much love/hate, in that i love to hate it.
2015-06-20T08:16:05 < upgrdman> tempted to try other libs
2015-06-20T08:16:37 < upgrdman> ever player with gtk? i see you dont like qt.
2015-06-20T08:16:43 < dongs> lol gtk
2015-06-20T08:16:44 < dongs> dont even
2015-06-20T08:19:27 < jadew> upgrdman, no
2015-06-20T08:19:37 < upgrdman> k
2015-06-20T08:19:45 < jadew> I've been looking for GUI frameworks for a while now and I've read good things about gtkmm
2015-06-20T08:19:56 < jadew> didn't check it out tho
2015-06-20T08:20:57 < jadew> there are lots of other GUI frameworks out there for c++ but most of them are either weird or incomplete to say the least
2015-06-20T08:22:02 < dongs> huh
2015-06-20T08:22:05 < dongs> TI sent me a USB>GPIO thing
2015-06-20T08:22:11 < dongs> together wiht this wled evb
2015-06-20T08:22:25 < dongs> it might be an aardvark knockoff
2015-06-20T08:22:40 < upgrdman> "w" led?
2015-06-20T08:22:53 < dongs> ya whiteled
2015-06-20T08:41:56 < jadew> upgrdman, are there more UI frameworks for java or is it just the one?
2015-06-20T08:42:10 < dongs> you mean swing?
2015-06-20T08:42:12 < dongs> or hatever teh fuck
2015-06-20T08:42:23 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-20T08:42:42 < jadew> I remember the last java program I ran was misbehaving
2015-06-20T08:43:10 < jadew> like I was opening the menus and it would act like the mouse was a few pixels to the side
2015-06-20T08:43:17 < jadew> like 20-30 pixels
2015-06-20T08:43:40 < dongs> thats because it was crossplatform
2015-06-20T08:44:10 < jadew> well, isn't java cross platform?
2015-06-20T08:45:05 < jadew> I suspect the menu sizes were different for some reason and it was calculating their position based on fixed values
2015-06-20T08:45:21 < jadew> anyway, I was wondering if that's the only one because it looked terrible
2015-06-20T08:47:08 < dongs> nope that sounds pretty standard for java
2015-06-20T08:48:58 < jadew> http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/biomedical/bionics/using-light-to-activate-a-mouses-happy-memory-protects-it-from-stress
2015-06-20T08:49:11 < jadew> how do they know if the mouse suffers from stress?
2015-06-20T08:49:52 < jadew> oh, they discuss that in the article
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2015-06-20T09:59:12 < GargantuaSauce> upgrdman: qt >>>> wx
2015-06-20T09:59:49 < jadew> nah
2015-06-20T09:59:53 < jadew> qt is garbage
2015-06-20T10:00:19 < jadew> that connect() stuff is completely retarded
2015-06-20T10:00:25 < jadew> you don't even get compile time checks
2015-06-20T10:01:00 < jadew> you find out if you made a mistake when you run it, if that particular event gets called
2015-06-20T10:01:35 < GargantuaSauce> every single piece of software that i know uses wx is awful
2015-06-20T10:02:08 < jadew> I don't know, CodeLite uses wx
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2015-06-20T10:03:38 < jadew> and even so, it's nicer to work with wx
2015-06-20T10:04:08 < jadew> Qt has all that non-standard stuff
2015-06-20T10:04:34 < zyp> wx fanboy spotted
2015-06-20T10:04:47 < jadew> heh, wouldn't call myself a fanboy just yet
2015-06-20T10:04:52 < GargantuaSauce> the moc is a little wonky but i have also worked with both and greatly prefer qt
2015-06-20T10:04:58 < jadew> I probably used them equally (a couple of days each)
2015-06-20T10:05:08 < GargantuaSauce> it has its warts for sure
2015-06-20T10:06:30 < zyp> I like pyqt
2015-06-20T10:08:47 < zyp> although it helps that moc isn't required in that case :p
2015-06-20T10:09:11 < jadew> I gave it a fair try but I just couldn't stand it
2015-06-20T10:09:29 < zyp> I also used gtkmm for something a few years ago, and I liked the binding mechanism for connecting stuff there
2015-06-20T10:09:35 < zyp> but overall I prefer qt
2015-06-20T10:09:36 < jadew> I gave up when I realized that I wasn't sure why something isn't working
2015-06-20T10:10:04 < jadew> it just introduced more uncertianty
2015-06-20T10:11:06 < jadew> zyp, I didn't try gtkmm is it using those gtk custom controls?
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2015-06-20T10:11:56 < zyp> gtkmm is c++ bindings for gtk
2015-06-20T10:12:09 < jadew> ah, I see, I thought it's a something different
2015-06-20T10:12:28 < jadew> they should have called it gtk++ then :)
2015-06-20T10:12:32 < jadew> or pp
2015-06-20T10:12:34 < zyp> plain gtk got way too much boilerplate IMO
2015-06-20T10:12:46 < zyp> gtkmm does away with most of it
2015-06-20T10:13:14 < jadew> must be why I've read so many good things about it
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2015-06-20T10:14:17 < dongs> gtk cant be taken seriously as long as they keep that file selector dialog
2015-06-20T10:14:49 < jadew> the one from the 90's?
2015-06-20T10:15:27 < jadew> ah, it's not bad
2015-06-20T10:15:27 < dongs> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/stable/filechooser.png
2015-06-20T10:15:30 < dongs> this one.
2015-06-20T10:15:31 < jadew> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/stable/filechooser.png
2015-06-20T10:15:35 < jadew> hah
2015-06-20T10:15:43 < jadew> yeah, it's not that bad
2015-06-20T10:15:45 < dongs> yeah that is fucking awful
2015-06-20T10:15:48 < dongs> awful
2015-06-20T10:16:19 < zyp> jadew, take a look at libsigc++, that's what gtkmm uses for signal binding
2015-06-20T10:16:44 < zyp> and I agree that it's better than qt's moc bullshit
2015-06-20T10:18:36 < jadew> zyp, looks nice
2015-06-20T10:19:14 < jadew> very similar to boost::signal
2015-06-20T10:19:22 < zyp> ah, right, yes
2015-06-20T10:19:28 < zyp> forgot about boost
2015-06-20T10:21:16 < jadew> I'm off to bed
2015-06-20T10:21:17 < jadew> night
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2015-06-20T12:18:30 < Tectu> so make on windows does not recognize / follow shortcuts? -.-
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2015-06-20T14:03:52 < zyp> why would it? it's not like shortcuts are symlinks
2015-06-20T14:06:00 < Fleck> problem solved zyp!
2015-06-20T14:06:47 < zyp> which problem?
2015-06-20T14:06:59 < Fleck> symlink
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2015-06-20T14:11:09 < dongs> lunixlink
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2015-06-20T15:08:37 < Tectu> zyp, it's possible to do symlinks using mklink under windows:
2015-06-20T15:08:37 < Tectu> http://seriouslyembedded.com/symlinks-hard-shortcuts-under-windows/
2015-06-20T15:08:53 < Tectu> (solution by Xark from freenode)
2015-06-20T15:09:25 < Tectu> dongs, was actually widozelink
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2015-06-20T15:35:49 < karlp> Tectu: it's possible to use fifos and pipes too, but if you do it, you're well into the "doing things by surprise, and other stuff won't work eventually"
2015-06-20T15:36:28 < Tectu> karlp, so let's better not :P
2015-06-20T15:50:32 < Fleck> haha, wincraplinks :D
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2015-06-20T15:53:18 < Tectu> windows is masterrace
2015-06-20T15:53:22 < Tectu> :
2015-06-20T15:53:25 < Tectu> :D
2015-06-20T15:57:56 < karlp> man, raw view on pastie is so not raw. fucking bullshit
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2015-06-20T17:33:08 < dongs> tectu, everyone but you knew this
2015-06-20T17:36:49 < Tectu> karlp, http://paste.ugfx.org
2015-06-20T17:37:16 < karlp> such a gross waste of space
2015-06-20T17:37:24 < karlp> I was complaining about laurance's paste,
2015-06-20T17:37:34 < Tectu> complains directly to steffan
2015-06-20T17:37:40 < karlp> also, I'm not going to advertise your license abomination everywhere
2015-06-20T17:38:15 < Tectu> what don't you like about the gfx license, karlp?
2015-06-20T17:39:16 < dongs> uh
2015-06-20T17:39:19 < dongs> wow tectus pastebin blows
2015-06-20T17:39:23 < dongs> even the shit on bcas is way better
2015-06-20T17:39:39 < dongs> http://paste.ugfx.org/show/38869ca7f4
2015-06-20T17:39:41 < dongs> also prety slow
2015-06-20T17:40:23 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/E4aKFX30.html
2015-06-20T17:40:27 < Tectu> used for personal use only and nowehere advertised so stfu. I love that minimal paste service so much. And I didn't write it, credits to Mr. Steffanx please
2015-06-20T17:40:41 < dongs> oh.
2015-06-20T17:40:44 < dongs> is it in ruby on fales
2015-06-20T17:40:58 < Tectu> ugfxpaste? no
2015-06-20T17:41:09 < Tectu> it's ultra modern php+html combo
2015-06-20T17:41:18 < dongs> but does it just save to files
2015-06-20T17:41:21 < dongs> or is db involved
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2015-06-20T18:02:21 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-06-20T18:02:22 < Laurenceb__> http://web.archive.org/web/20000510024558/http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html
2015-06-20T18:02:35 < dongs> excluded
2015-06-20T18:02:39 < Laurenceb__> wayback machine has content rules?! who knew
2015-06-20T18:03:22 < jadew> that looks like a nice site
2015-06-20T18:03:43 < dongs> you must be new here
2015-06-20T18:03:45 < jadew> I thought it might have to do with css or something
2015-06-20T18:03:50 < dongs> lewl
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2015-06-20T18:06:44 < Laurenceb__> they used to have a linux themed pr0n section
2015-06-20T18:07:15 < jadew> all males with beard?
2015-06-20T18:07:26 < Laurenceb__> lol
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2015-06-20T18:09:16 < darkavenger> hi all, i have a problem flashing my taranis: http://distol.ga/ss/24571701.jpg the device is stm32 bootloader but it can't be found by the dfu util, any ideas?
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2015-06-20T18:14:36 < Laurenceb__> I think I've seen this
2015-06-20T18:14:53 < Laurenceb__> iirc, ST DFU != DFU
2015-06-20T18:15:01 < Laurenceb__> D Fuck You
2015-06-20T18:15:16 < Laurenceb__> capitalisation fail
2015-06-20T18:15:36 < Tectu> also don't do illegal movide downloading and screenshot it
2015-06-20T18:15:57 < Tectu> same applies to office
2015-06-20T18:16:01 < Tectu> stop being a faggot
2015-06-20T18:16:05 < darkavenger> very funny
2015-06-20T18:16:10 < Tectu> pay for your shit
2015-06-20T18:16:25 < darkavenger> i hope your mother dies tonighit
2015-06-20T18:16:29 < darkavenger> tonight*
2015-06-20T18:16:31 < darkavenger> ;)
2015-06-20T18:16:38 < darkavenger> i hope you have children
2015-06-20T18:16:47 < darkavenger> and you'll see them die
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2015-06-20T18:18:37 < darkavenger> thank you
2015-06-20T18:18:39 < darkavenger> bye
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2015-06-20T18:20:07 < qyx_> wut
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2015-06-20T18:26:53 < dongs> < Laurenceb__> iirc, ST DFU != DFU
2015-06-20T18:26:57 < dongs> more like STFU
2015-06-20T18:30:20 < jpa-> yeah
2015-06-20T18:30:46 < jpa-> it follows the DFU standard as far as identification; actual programming is st-specific for no good reason
2015-06-20T18:30:58 < dongs> the reason is good
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2015-06-20T18:31:07 < dongs> so they have a proper windows app to do it with
2015-06-20T18:31:09 < dongs> instead of freetard shit
2015-06-20T18:31:16 < dongs> try getting DFU tools for LPC for example
2015-06-20T18:31:23 < dongs> that shit is only available for LUNIX
2015-06-20T18:31:30 < dongs> cuz its "standard"
2015-06-20T18:33:16 < jpa-> um, like they couldn't have implemented the normal usb protocol in their own app
2015-06-20T18:34:54 < dongs> shruggin
2015-06-20T18:36:23 < emeb> what's wrong with st dfu?
2015-06-20T18:36:28 < emeb> seems to work for me.
2015-06-20T18:36:29 < dongs> nothing at all
2015-06-20T18:36:38 < dongs> freetards probably wish it was freeer
2015-06-20T18:36:47 < emeb> meh
2015-06-20T18:36:57 < emeb> linux dfu-util talks to it just fine.
2015-06-20T18:39:26 < jpa-> yeah
2015-06-20T18:40:20 < emeb> if you're on Windows, why not use the ST DFU utility?
2015-06-20T18:42:16 < dongs> i guess because reasons
2015-06-20T18:43:28 < emeb> well, IIRC Windows ST DFU utility wants to see special headers on the binary. Linux dfu-util will allow you to blow a raw .bin if you tell it the start addr.
2015-06-20T18:45:06 < dongs> ah
2015-06-20T18:45:16 < dongs> right, you gotta add the headers with dfu-file-manager thingy
2015-06-20T18:45:20 < dongs> but thats usually not a big deal
2015-06-20T18:45:30 < dongs> i just give my users pre-made .dfu
2015-06-20T18:45:38 < dongs> and a couple screenshtos of ST app, and all is good
2015-06-20T18:47:41 < emeb> dongs: you have an Agilent E440x spectrum analyzer, right?
2015-06-20T18:47:50 < dongs> the old shit? yeah
2015-06-20T18:48:02 < emeb> ever had to replace the battery?
2015-06-20T18:48:09 < jpa-> i give a .exe that just uses the st libs to flash a .bin
2015-06-20T18:48:09 < dongs> i've been meaning to do it for like years
2015-06-20T18:48:22 < dongs> fucking agilent usa wouldnt sell it to me
2015-06-20T18:48:28 < dongs> forwarded my order to agiletn japan
2015-06-20T18:48:32 < dongs> which basically told me to fuck off
2015-06-20T18:48:35 < emeb> you can buy them at digi-key for $6
2015-06-20T18:48:38 < dongs> i was researching like a year ago or so yeah
2015-06-20T18:48:41 < dongs> that there's a digikey thing
2015-06-20T18:48:56 < dongs> i forget why I didnt orde from tehre
2015-06-20T18:49:05 < dongs> maybe something about adding to cart and it disappearing on japanese order
2015-06-20T18:49:11 < dongs> or maybe iw as too stoned
2015-06-20T18:49:11 < emeb> weird
2015-06-20T18:49:25 < emeb> so you have to run the alignment every time you power up?
2015-06-20T18:49:29 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-20T18:49:30 < dongs> lols.
2015-06-20T18:49:33 < emeb> heh
2015-06-20T18:49:41 < dongs> or just dont care, if I just need a quick check like satellite signals or something
2015-06-20T18:49:46 < dongs> it will still show crap
2015-06-20T18:49:59 < emeb> mine just started complaining last week so I tore it open and got the part #
2015-06-20T18:50:06 < emeb> ordered a new one yesterday
2015-06-20T18:50:28 < emeb> takes friggin' 15 min to undo all the screws...
2015-06-20T18:50:30 < dongs> now that its at my other office i only haul it around when i align dishes
2015-06-20T18:50:33 < dongs> haha
2015-06-20T18:50:37 < dongs> please post a blog about that stuff
2015-06-20T18:50:44 < dongs> i need to get the shit replaced one of tehse day s;d
2015-06-20T18:50:51 < dongs> pics+part# or something. might be handy for others
2015-06-20T18:51:04 < dongs> i recall there was something when I found it but it was ancient and the guy wa slike" it might work "
2015-06-20T18:52:08 < emeb> here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/battery.jpg
2015-06-20T18:52:20 < emeb> part # for you
2015-06-20T18:52:29 < dongs> ah yea snaphat shit
2015-06-20T18:52:37 < dongs> i remember something about that
2015-06-20T18:52:44 < dongs> its socketed or something?
2015-06-20T18:52:48 < emeb> yep
2015-06-20T18:52:59 < emeb> plugs into a little SMD thingy that has RTC & SRAM
2015-06-20T18:56:31 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/M4T28-BR12SH1/497-3686-5-ND/679615
2015-06-20T18:56:32 < dongs> there it is
2015-06-20T18:56:35 < emeb> yup
2015-06-20T18:56:42 < dongs> now lets see why it isnt in japanese cart
2015-06-20T18:56:58 < emeb> wonder if it's because lithium?
2015-06-20T18:56:59 < dongs> ohh, it adds.
2015-06-20T18:56:59 < dongs> nice
2015-06-20T18:57:18 < dongs> maybe they fixed
2015-06-20T18:57:39 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/STMicro%20Photos/M48Z58Y-70MH1F.jpg
2015-06-20T18:57:42 < dongs> man thats a fucked up IC package
2015-06-20T18:58:01 < emeb> some ME had fun designing that.
2015-06-20T18:58:41 < emeb> hopefully you don't tear it off the board when removing battery
2015-06-20T19:00:13 < dongs> ya
2015-06-20T19:00:23 < dongs> im sure its nicely caked in
2015-06-20T19:00:33 < dongs> for like 15 years
2015-06-20T19:05:06 < _Sync_> da fuk is dis
2015-06-20T19:05:32 < dongs> CHIPS
2015-06-20T19:05:42 < dongs> that must be the video-related shiz
2015-06-20T19:05:52 < dongs> i think mine actually has VGA out option
2015-06-20T19:06:00 < emeb> heh - so handy
2015-06-20T19:06:06 < _Sync_> your timekeeper chip has a VGA option?
2015-06-20T19:06:11 < dongs> yes
2015-06-20T19:06:18 < dongs> it displays time on VGA in 1080p
2015-06-20T19:06:26 < emeb> trolled
2015-06-20T19:07:23 < _Sync_> 8/8 would keep time with
2015-06-20T19:07:50 < _Sync_> the fuck is that thing, chips, OKI, TI, fairchild, freescale, intel and lattice
2015-06-20T19:07:59 < dongs> 14/88 would troll again
2015-06-20T19:08:27 < dongs> _Sync_: ancient-ish spectrum analyzer
2015-06-20T19:08:39 < dongs> ohh, dram sockets
2015-06-20T19:08:50 < dongs> are they like 30pin simms
2015-06-20T19:08:59 < dongs> like the same kind you stick in sound blaster awe32
2015-06-20T19:09:51 < Laurenceb__> lol darkavenger got trolld hard
2015-06-20T19:09:55 < _Sync_> hmmm
2015-06-20T19:10:09 < Laurenceb__> <darkavenger> i hope your mother dies tonighit
2015-06-20T19:10:25 < _Sync_> oh those dongs
2015-06-20T19:10:30 < _Sync_> yeah I thought it looked like HP
2015-06-20T19:11:18 < _Sync_> thinking about getting that Tek USB trash
2015-06-20T19:11:22 < _Sync_> looks remotely usable
2015-06-20T19:11:35 < superbia> 17:18:24 darkavenger | ##stm32 is full of dickhead, not trolls
2015-06-20T19:11:40 < dongs> the one wiht actually like 8mhz span?
2015-06-20T19:11:53 < dongs> or was it 30
2015-06-20T19:11:54 < dongs> something shitty
2015-06-20T19:12:29 < dongs> 9 kHz - 6.2 GHz but REAL-TIME BANDWIDTH 40 MHz
2015-06-20T19:12:38 < dongs> so i ts just a shitty SDR
2015-06-20T19:12:54 < dongs> better way to spend time: hack bladeRF driver to be accepted by tek software
2015-06-20T19:13:01 < dongs> run tek software on output of blade rf.
2015-06-20T19:13:02 < dongs> profit.
2015-06-20T19:13:12 < emeb> heh
2015-06-20T19:13:13 < dongs> will cost you $300 not $3500
2015-06-20T19:13:15 < _Sync_> well the bladerf also sucks hard
2015-06-20T19:13:19 < dongs> sure
2015-06-20T19:13:22 < _Sync_> the tek shit actually performs
2015-06-20T19:13:24 < dongs> but it also has 40mhz wide channel
2015-06-20T19:13:30 < dongs> does it  really suck btw?
2015-06-20T19:13:35 < dongs> do you have a BLOGPOST detailing this
2015-06-20T19:13:43 < Laurenceb__> does he even realize there is st-dfu for lunix
2015-06-20T19:13:46 < Laurenceb__> epic fail
2015-06-20T19:13:50 < _Sync_> no, but I have teh measurements
2015-06-20T19:14:35 < dongs> neat
2015-06-20T19:15:18 < dongs> signalvu-pc
2015-06-20T19:15:41 < dongs> is it fully PC-based?
2015-06-20T19:16:06 < dongs> or it cna do standalone stuff
2015-06-20T19:16:17 < _Sync_> because it sucks balls to lug my RS FSV around
2015-06-20T19:16:21 < _Sync_> it is fully pc based
2015-06-20T19:16:28 < _Sync_> because it only is a bawx with usb3
2015-06-20T19:16:29 < dongs> ah yeah their product page was trolling
2015-06-20T19:16:30 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-20T19:17:01 < dongs> so ya just hax signalJEW to read from bladerf
2015-06-20T19:17:57 < dongs> http://media.theync.com/vids/video07122.mp4 might be nsfw
2015-06-20T19:18:03 < _Sync_> and then enjoy uncalibrated input shit
2015-06-20T19:18:08 < _Sync_> I'd rather use the tek shit
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2015-06-20T19:18:38 < _Sync_> what the fuck
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2015-06-20T19:23:16 < emeb> Why are people so excited about bladerf? only goes down to 300MHz min.
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2015-06-20T19:23:39 < dongs> i thought it does 9-6
2015-06-20T19:23:42 < dongs> or was that some other *rf
2015-06-20T19:24:53 < emeb> hackrf goes down further, but hackrf front-end design is horrible.
2015-06-20T19:25:36 < dongs> http://item.rakuten.co.jp/yamamoto-cq/ar-6000/ heh  $5k for this jap trash
2015-06-20T19:25:42 < dongs> looks liek a hamradio receiver
2015-06-20T19:25:51 < emeb> I think someone here had a hackrf and was complaining about all the spurs.
2015-06-20T19:26:32 < emeb> AOR - yep that's a british company that makes SW receivers.
2015-06-20T19:26:40 < dongs> oh no, bladerf is only 300..3.8ghz
2015-06-20T19:26:41 < dongs> hm
2015-06-20T19:26:44 < dongs> so i must be thinking hackrf
2015-06-20T19:26:55 < dongs> 1 MHz to 6 GHz operating frequency
2015-06-20T19:26:56 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-20T19:27:02 < dongs> but everything else is shit
2015-06-20T19:28:20 < dongs> AOR is british?
2015-06-20T19:28:48 < _Sync_> well emeb, gotta compromize somewhere to get that price
2015-06-20T19:29:31 < dongs> Made in Japan quality
2015-06-20T19:29:32 < dongs> AOR is a rare example of an electronics manufacturer that has not shifted production to lower cost countries, but kept its production base 100% in Japan. All subcontractors and PCBAs are located in Japan with appropriate quality management system namely ISO-9000 or widely accredited higher quality management systems.
2015-06-20T19:29:37 < dongs> HEH
2015-06-20T19:29:53 < _Sync_> > japan
2015-06-20T19:29:56 < _Sync_> > not lower cost
2015-06-20T19:30:07 < dongs> yes
2015-06-20T19:30:10 < dongs> has NOT shifted.
2015-06-20T19:30:56 < dongs> http://media.theync.com/vids/video07107.mp4 cruuunch
2015-06-20T19:31:44 < _Sync_> trolled
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2015-06-20T19:39:09 < emeb> Aha - Japan.
2015-06-20T19:39:43 < emeb> I remember reading some reviews of AOR equipment years ago talking about the brit designer of one of the radios. Just assumed...
2015-06-20T19:49:16 < emeb> dongs: that AR6000 receiver is not available for sale in the US - Gov't only.
2015-06-20T19:49:17 < emeb> lols
2015-06-20T19:49:39 < emeb> "don't be listening to them radios you peons."
2015-06-20T19:50:23 < jadew> I thougt AOR was USA based
2015-06-20T19:50:32 < jadew> are they cheaper in japan?
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2015-06-20T19:53:51 < emeb> I have an AOR receiver - AR2500. Haven't turned it on in years.
2015-06-20T20:14:41 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/Fin7ZP0
2015-06-20T20:29:36 < tonyarkles> has anyone here used an stm32f042 as a usb device for a mass produced product?
2015-06-20T20:30:03 < tonyarkles> i've got a board put together that works great on all of my machines but fails on other peoples' computers
2015-06-20T20:30:42 < tonyarkles> looking at it with a scope, it seems like a signal integrity issue (cheap computers seem to fare worse)
2015-06-20T20:31:16 < tonyarkles> but i can't find any really good references from ST or really anywhere else about things like series resistors, caps to ground on D+/D-, etc
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2015-06-20T21:15:53 < _Sync_> tonyarkles: tell them not to use cheapshit hardware
2015-06-20T21:18:46 < tonyarkles> _Sync_: if only :)
2015-06-20T21:19:05 < _Sync_> mototrola does so
2015-06-20T21:19:14 < tonyarkles> it's meant to be a cheap retail product
2015-06-20T21:19:38 < tonyarkles> tough sell if 20% of people can't get it to work with their computer at all
2015-06-20T21:20:31 < tonyarkles> i do have to chuckle though that the harshest test machine we have is a multi-kilobuck gaming machine that one of the developers has at home
2015-06-20T21:21:36 < tonyarkles> buuuut other devices work on the same ports on that machine, so I *should* be able to get this to work too
2015-06-20T21:22:05 < tonyarkles> adding series termination resistors helps, there's fewer sync errors
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2015-06-20T21:39:43 < kakimir> hello stm32
2015-06-20T21:40:04 < superbia> sup
2015-06-20T21:43:40 < kakimir> mid summer stuff
2015-06-20T21:47:10 < kakimir> is zano still alive?
2015-06-20T22:34:19 < superbia> how is soaring
2015-06-20T22:34:27 < superbia> on the herbst luft
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2015-06-20T22:58:12 < Laurenceb__> you never go full hipster
2015-06-20T22:58:13 < Laurenceb__> http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/20/1839234/open-source-hardware-pioneer-ladyada-interviews-the-new-makerbot-ceo
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2015-06-20T23:02:08 < kakimir> no soaring atm.
2015-06-20T23:02:17 < kakimir> my plane is not ready to soar yet
2015-06-20T23:02:57 < _Sync_> thermals suck here atm
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2015-06-20T23:14:37 < kakimir> so many batteries totally it takes hours with 2 chargers
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2015-06-21T00:19:46 < _Sync_> so that's good
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2015-06-21T00:21:09 < _Sync_> well kimble is best kim so
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2015-06-21T01:10:11 < upgrdman> dongs, http://imgur.com/gallery/2O7tE
2015-06-21T01:12:58 < Laurenceb__> omfg
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2015-06-21T01:18:34 < Laurenceb__> needs a robo-chris hanson
2015-06-21T01:21:17 < jadew> lol, that's so inapppropriate
2015-06-21T01:32:40 < superbia> have you tried giving it money ?
2015-06-21T01:33:51 < upgrdman> wtf is a synolgy drive?
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2015-06-21T01:38:41 < Laurenceb__> sounds like some freudian shit
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2015-06-21T01:49:41 < upgrdman> :D   http://i.imgur.com/e2TPrNu.png
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2015-06-21T02:13:12 < Laurenceb__> https://www.linkedin.com/in/setorrent
2015-06-21T02:13:23 < Laurenceb__> I'm not sure where the trolling ends are reality begins
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2015-06-21T02:22:25 < englishman> lol synology
2015-06-21T02:22:52 < englishman> expensive lunix trash
2015-06-21T02:23:04 < englishman> crippleware
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2015-06-21T02:43:58 < upgrdman> so this 3d printer i was lent... it was made by some Makers at my uni. been proceeding with caution. complete with my flir camera to keep an eye on things. i decided to try out the heated bed. about five seconds later i see that the CONNECTOR for the headed bed is at 243F. lolwut. looks like they crimped onto maybe two strands of copper.
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2015-06-21T03:46:58 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-06-21T03:47:04 < dongs> emeb_mac: lol really?
2015-06-21T03:47:15 < dongs> emeb_mac: you can probably buy it from global rakuten with paypal easily
2015-06-21T03:47:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: huh?
2015-06-21T03:48:28 < dongs> emeb_mac: like this http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-cqohm/item/ar-079/
2015-06-21T03:49:05 < emeb_mac> Oh right - prohibited in the US due to gov't restrictions.
2015-06-21T03:49:11 < dongs> nice
2015-06-21T03:49:18 < dongs> do they have something to hide in those bands?
2015-06-21T03:49:24 < dongs> is it because its continous from 9 to 6?
2015-06-21T03:49:32 < emeb_mac> Yeah - I bet that's an FCC thing - probably because it doesn't have the old AMPS cell frequencies locked out.
2015-06-21T03:49:38 < dongs> huhu
2015-06-21T03:50:46 < dongs> http://www.aorja.com/others/ard9900.html heh they make some weird shit
2015-06-21T03:50:49 < dongs> and for some reason its all in english
2015-06-21T03:51:13 < dongs> oh, tehres jap pages
2015-06-21T03:51:15 < dongs> but way less info
2015-06-21T03:51:36 < dongs> http://www.aor.co.jp/digital/ard98_sstv.html haha SSTV
2015-06-21T03:51:37 < dongs> wtf
2015-06-21T03:53:41 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah - those FCC bans on receivers that cover certain frequencies are so dumb
2015-06-21T03:53:52 < emeb_mac> because you're not banned from building them for yourself
2015-06-21T03:54:15 < emeb_mac> it's just illegal to make/sell them to the general public
2015-06-21T03:54:30 < gxti> i think you overestimate the radio-making abilities of the average scanner idiot
2015-06-21T03:55:05 < emeb_mac> but back in the 80s/90s some senators got caught talking to their mistresses on the NBFM cell signals so *boom* illegal.
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2015-06-21T03:55:58 < emeb_mac> Now that everything is digital / encrypted the laws haven't changed and you're still not allowed to sell equipment that works in those frequencies, even though no one could possibly care.
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2015-06-21T03:57:06 < emeb_mac> gxti: nah - I know scanner idiots could barely build an RC filter
2015-06-21T03:57:16 < gxti> not even that much
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2015-06-21T03:57:29 < emeb_mac> but that doesn't stop scanner shops from selling transverters that cover those ranges
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2015-06-21T04:04:33 < emeb_mac> lol -> http://www.wolfram.com/raspberry-pi/
2015-06-21T04:06:12 < emeb_mac> Have I ever mentioned how much I *love* Windows 8?
2015-06-21T04:06:44 < emeb_mac> I especially like how it keeps replacing my USB device drivers and turning on driver signing
2015-06-21T04:07:04 < emeb_mac> so I have to reboot a bunch of times and poke obscure settings to re-enable stuff.
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2015-06-21T04:09:44 < dongs> emeb_mac: wat, you didnt know?
2015-06-21T04:09:58 < dongs> i think the trash you download off raspberry.org or whatever include mathematica on official iamges
2015-06-21T04:10:10 < emeb_mac> groan
2015-06-21T04:10:14 < dongs> emeb_mac: or you could just get your fucking driver signed
2015-06-21T04:11:04 < emeb_mac> oh yeah. Hi Microsoft - I'd like to get this random open-source driver signed. I'm sure you won't mind.
2015-06-21T04:11:18 < dongs> what is it?
2015-06-21T04:11:24 < dongs> i can sign if it doesnt do anything EVIL
2015-06-21T04:12:33 < emeb_mac> this is the windows version of libusb - used to enable RTL dongle for something other than Realtek DVB reception.
2015-06-21T04:14:03 < emeb_mac> In order to use it I have to disable signing, then redirect from the realtek driver to winusb. And every time MS sends a new update to the OS it undoes that.
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2015-06-21T04:14:57 < emeb_mac> so then it's another 10 minutes of menu diving and rebooting to get back to working. blech
2015-06-21T04:15:08 < dongs> sounds like you just need to write an .inf that has the proper vid/pid and get it signed.
2015-06-21T04:15:24 < dongs> zip up the driver dir and send it to me.
2015-06-21T04:15:28 < dongs> also it shouldnt be libusb, it should be winusb
2015-06-21T04:15:40 < emeb_mac> yeah - winusb is the thing
2015-06-21T04:16:44 < emeb_mac> there's this funky app called zadig that's used to override the normal driver. dunno how the guts of that works.
2015-06-21T04:16:53 < dongs> its opensores fail.
2015-06-21T04:17:00 < dongs> thats why I signed my own rtl driver
2015-06-21T04:17:09 < emeb_mac> cool
2015-06-21T04:17:17 < dongs> because i dont trust those fuckers
2015-06-21T04:17:25 < emeb_mac> too bad not just anyone can do that.
2015-06-21T04:17:49 < dongs> ya so you dont have to listen on their secret sky commz
2015-06-21T04:17:50 < dongs> spy
2015-06-21T04:18:22 < emeb_mac> R2COM1: back in the days of yore when old analog cell stuff was just narrowband FM
2015-06-21T04:18:43 < emeb_mac> anyone with a scanner that worked in the 800MHz range could listen in on phonecalls.
2015-06-21T04:18:47 < emeb_mac> It was hilarious.
2015-06-21T04:18:54 < dongs> http://laist.com/2015/06/20/griffith_park_police_shooting.php lol murica
2015-06-21T04:18:58 < emeb_mac> Right, but the law hasn't caught up.
2015-06-21T04:19:09 < dongs> emeb_mac: 800mhz is now not evne used for analog shit
2015-06-21T04:19:12 < dongs> its all LTE
2015-06-21T04:19:15 < emeb_mac> exactly
2015-06-21T04:19:21 < emeb_mac> the law moves slow
2015-06-21T04:19:24 < dongs> heh
2015-06-21T04:19:43 < emeb_mac> so the FCC has prohibitions on selling equipment that covers the bands that aren't used now.
2015-06-21T04:20:21 < emeb_mac> heh
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2015-06-21T04:21:18 < dongs> apparently USA has something liek 14000 shootings per year
2015-06-21T04:21:29 < dongs> next civilized country down the list: 100 per year
2015-06-21T04:21:41 < dongs> its all cuz 'muricans are allowed to own guns
2015-06-21T04:22:06 < dongs> surely it is
2015-06-21T04:22:18 < dongs> japan bans all guns, period
2015-06-21T04:22:21 < PeterM> emeb_mac, you know you could just add a flag/switch/etc to your boot config so it boots into test mode by default and driver signing is disabled regardless?
2015-06-21T04:22:25 < dongs> how often do you hear of a church gegtting shot up in japan?
2015-06-21T04:22:45 < dongs> PeterM: i suspect thats what hes doing, but windowsupdate will probably do clear that
2015-06-21T04:22:53 < PeterM> dongs it doesn't
2015-06-21T04:22:57 < dongs> also, disabled driver signing is actually BAD FOR YOU
2015-06-21T04:23:00 < dongs> you know, its there for a reason
2015-06-21T04:23:12 < dongs> lemme send you this cool. sys file
2015-06-21T04:23:38 < dongs> R2COM: you are describing a problem that wouldn't exist if  the guns didn't exist
2015-06-21T04:24:30 < dongs> if there was no guns they wouldnt need money
2015-06-21T04:24:35 < dongs> cuz they weret going to spend that money t obuy some guns
2015-06-21T04:24:43 < dongs> VICIOUS ENDLESS CIRCLE
2015-06-21T04:25:09 < emeb_mac> PeterM: I didn't know about the boot config flag - will research.
2015-06-21T04:33:29 < yan_> if i have two devices on a spi bus, and one reads in LSB mode and one in MSB mode, will it be 'inefficient' to update endianness before every transaction?
2015-06-21T04:33:53 < dongs> no, why
2015-06-21T04:34:22 < dongs> yan, not at all, or you could just bitswap the output from one of htem later in software
2015-06-21T04:34:29 < yan_> dongs: shrug, i thought it might reconfigure the entire spi peripheral if i change endianness
2015-06-21T04:34:33 < dongs> i'
2015-06-21T04:34:49 < dongs> i've had some code where i had to change access mode
2015-06-21T04:34:56 < dongs> like CPHA/whatever shit
2015-06-21T04:35:00 < dongs> because of different devices
2015-06-21T04:35:12 < dongs> just look at datasheet to see which bit controls msb/lsb stuff, and see if you need to disable peripheral before hcanging it
2015-06-21T04:35:16 < yan_> i'm planning on setting SPI_CR1 before each transfer
2015-06-21T04:35:30 < yan_> (spi_send_msb_first() in libopencm3)
2015-06-21T04:35:46 < dongs> right, so see if that needs peripheral to be disabled before setting. if not, then who cares
2015-06-21T04:35:49 < dongs> just do it.
2015-06-21T04:35:52 < dongs> :)
2015-06-21T04:43:32 < yan_> dongs: looks like it doesn't. sweet.
2015-06-21T04:43:36 < yan_> thanks!
2015-06-21T04:55:30 < MrMobius> why do they put port pins as far away as possible?
2015-06-21T04:55:43 < MrMobius> hoping youll use different ports to reduce ground bounce?
2015-06-21T04:55:50 < dongs> wat port pins
2015-06-21T04:56:02 < MrMobius> GPIO i mean
2015-06-21T04:56:13 < dongs> isnt it just hjow the shit is routed on the die
2015-06-21T04:56:35 < MrMobius> or that
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2015-06-21T04:57:32 < Getty> hahahahaha http://9gag.com/gag/aApYmzp so its not only humans ;)
2015-06-21T04:58:17 < dongs> mac users arent exactly bright
2015-06-21T04:58:26 < dongs> not sure whawt youre trying to  prove here
2015-06-21T04:58:29 < dongs> this has been known
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2015-06-21T05:41:54 < Getty> dongs: read the title, its actually about freezing computer
2015-06-21T05:42:29 < Getty> dongs: i mean... look how he does the facepalm... and stuff
2015-06-21T05:42:50 < Getty> its not like he is angry or like going wild on the computer, no, he is that passive aggressive way we all are ;)
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2015-06-21T05:58:52  * emeb_mac bangs on keys
2015-06-21T06:14:53 < englishman> 9gag link, srsly
2015-06-21T06:17:40 < emeb_mac> free altium - all you need to do is opensores all the things.
2015-06-21T06:17:50 < emeb_mac> will be interesting to see how that goes over.
2015-06-21T06:29:51 < emeb_mac> I like this one: "If you can't figure out what the product is, it's probably you."
2015-06-21T06:29:52 < dongs> you mean circuitdonger?
2015-06-21T06:29:56 < emeb_mac> ya
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2015-06-21T06:35:42 < dongs> its ok
2015-06-21T06:35:47 < dongs> no keyboard shortcuts is a killer for me
2015-06-21T06:35:53 < dongs> im not gonna click a button each time i wanna route a trace
2015-06-21T06:41:59 < dongs> emeb_mac: is circuitdonger on hackaday again
2015-06-21T06:42:07 < dongs> ah yes
2015-06-21T06:42:19 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-06-21T06:42:22 < dongs> This week, Altium launched the open public beta for its new Circuit Maker software, and it.s a major change from what we looked at previously. Everything is free.
2015-06-21T06:42:26 < dongs> this week????????????????
2015-06-21T06:42:30 < dongs> i thought it was weeks ago
2015-06-21T06:42:35 < dongs> i got that email i duno when, at least 2 weeks ago
2015-06-21T06:44:03 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWcL0OF_eQI i guess il lwatch this while fapping
2015-06-21T06:44:06 < dongs> not now tho
2015-06-21T06:46:46 < jadew> I couldn't get past the login screen
2015-06-21T06:47:01 < jadew> I just didn't like the idea so I gave up
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2015-06-21T06:49:51 < jadew> that's a catchy name
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2015-06-21T06:57:19 < jadew> tarduino.com is free
2015-06-21T06:58:40 < jadew> was going to buy it but I'm sure it would bring legal problems if you post anything against them
2015-06-21T06:58:55 < jadew> because they'd say that your domain name contains their trade mark name
2015-06-21T07:00:06 < emeb_mac> "Installing Update 65 of 64"
2015-06-21T07:00:09 < jadew> I can already imagine a stupid looking guy, showing an arduino to the camera, with the tag line: You can be this cool too!
2015-06-21T07:00:16 < emeb_mac> That gives you a warm fuzzy
2015-06-21T07:00:40 < jadew> lol
2015-06-21T07:00:49 < jadew> what OS?
2015-06-21T07:01:04 < dongs> http://40.media.tumblr.com/74c2e44de4b398b6c2fc0c766902c5e5/tumblr_mltgv8sG6D1qf4tzbo1_500.jpg
2015-06-21T07:01:21 < dongs> jadew: tarduino.cc is *way* better
2015-06-21T07:01:23 < dongs> and I have it.
2015-06-21T07:01:25 < dongs> .com is boring
2015-06-21T07:01:29 < jadew> heh
2015-06-21T07:01:44 < jadew> did you put anything there?
2015-06-21T07:01:46 < dongs> yes
2015-06-21T07:01:59 < dongs> has my stoner blog
2015-06-21T07:02:02 < jadew> ah, it's your personal blog
2015-06-21T07:02:17 < jadew> you're safe then
2015-06-21T07:02:23 < dongs> http://41.media.tumblr.com/417c23771f696c07bb9bcfce6d3ddcff/tumblr_mit1xhbftN1qf4tzbo1_500.jpg
2015-06-21T07:02:34 < jadew> ha
2015-06-21T07:02:42 < emeb_mac> jadew: Win 8.1
2015-06-21T07:02:56 < jadew> emeb_mac, I knew why I didn't upgrade
2015-06-21T07:03:03 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-06-21T07:03:14 < jadew> I'm actually waiting for that microsoft helmet, whatever it's called
2015-06-21T07:03:23 < jadew> when that comes out I'll get windows 10
2015-06-21T07:03:55 < jadew> hololens
2015-06-21T07:04:50 < jadew> can't wait to decorate my room with naked, full size hotties
2015-06-21T07:05:12 < dongs> Do you realize that this tool is not even like Eagle despite his features? In terms of speed, availability, etc. Unlimited everything? There we have KiCAD.
2015-06-21T07:05:46 < jadew> dongs, context?
2015-06-21T07:05:58 < dongs> jadew: eevblag page
2015-06-21T07:06:01 < dongs> about circuitdonger
2015-06-21T07:06:13 < jadew> link?
2015-06-21T07:06:21 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-754-altium-circuit-maker-first-impressions/
2015-06-21T07:06:26 < dongs> forum drama
2015-06-21T07:06:41 < dongs> http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldi16e5aG81qf4tzbo1_500.jpg
2015-06-21T07:07:39 < jadew> I see, I didn't use circuit maker, but eagle is the worst
2015-06-21T07:07:49 < jadew> might be topped by gEDA
2015-06-21T07:07:57 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-754-altium-circuit-maker-first-impressions/msg694255/#msg694255
2015-06-21T07:08:01 < dongs> lol fucking told
2015-06-21T07:08:08 < dongs> yeah eagle is pretty low down there in the trash list
2015-06-21T07:09:24 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-754-altium-circuit-maker-first-impressions/?action=dlattach;attach=156700;image
2015-06-21T07:09:27 < dongs> attn R2COM
2015-06-21T07:10:45 < jadew> they replaced some math library?
2015-06-21T07:11:38 < jadew> anyway, I would have prefered it if they just sold altium for less
2015-06-21T07:11:44 < dongs> agreed
2015-06-21T07:11:50 < dongs> all tehy need to do really
2015-06-21T07:11:53 < dongs> is just get rid of FPGA shit
2015-06-21T07:11:57 < dongs> and simulation
2015-06-21T07:12:08 < dongs> and sell just schema+pcb, wiht exactly same features as now
2015-06-21T07:12:10 < upgrdman> how many pads are on a typical atx motherboard?
2015-06-21T07:12:11 < dongs> just no fpga crap.
2015-06-21T07:12:19 < dongs> upgrdman: at least 1150
2015-06-21T07:12:21 < dongs> lolol
2015-06-21T07:12:28 < jadew> are people using altium actually giving a crap about the FPGA features?
2015-06-21T07:12:28 < upgrdman> >_>
2015-06-21T07:12:42 < jadew> I would think they'd use dedicated tools from the FPGA manufacturer for that stuff
2015-06-21T07:12:42 < dongs> upgrdman: no rly
2015-06-21T07:13:06 < upgrdman> dongs, seriously. with a cpu, memory, pcie, etc. ballpack pad count?
2015-06-21T07:13:15 < upgrdman> ballpark, even
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2015-06-21T07:16:00 < dongs> no clue. ddr = 168 pads. cpu = 1150. pcie x16 * 2 = 82*2, pciex1 = 36* ??, southbridge/sata shit = another 500-800-ish, then all the passives and crap, probly 1k for that
2015-06-21T07:23:09 < upgrdman> so <5k. not a bad limit then
2015-06-21T07:26:02 < aandrew> yeah but who's going to design something like that in the cloud
2015-06-21T07:26:08 < aandrew> seriously
2015-06-21T07:26:08 < upgrdman> ya
2015-06-21T07:26:42 < aandrew> circuitmaker is a gateway drug to alitum, nothing more. It easily kills off eagle
2015-06-21T07:27:33 < aandrew> if kicad can get their heads out their asses it could be serious competition for altium but it's gonna take some owrk
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2015-06-21T07:38:24 < aandrew> < jadew> anyway, I would have prefered it if they just sold altium for less
2015-06-21T07:38:25 < aandrew> yep
2015-06-21T07:39:09 < jadew> yeah, kicad could definitely be great
2015-06-21T07:39:10 < aandrew> dongs has it right. lose the FPGA shit, lose the embedded development shit, keep the schematic entry and layout EXACTLY as is, maybe tweak the VCS to include git and sell that for even $1000/yr
2015-06-21T07:39:37 < jadew> but I don't think it will get any spectacular features anytime soon
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2015-06-21T08:00:48 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/CU3Rs.png
2015-06-21T08:01:13 < jadew> looks like seek thermal has full dynamic range
2015-06-21T08:01:22 < jadew> I know some people were wondering
2015-06-21T08:01:54 < jadew> that's 350 degrees on the tip
2015-06-21T08:01:58 < jadew> celsius
2015-06-21T08:02:28 < jadew> and me in the background
2015-06-21T08:02:45 < Bright> nice
2015-06-21T08:09:16 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/donations/
2015-06-21T08:09:17 < dongs> haha
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2015-06-21T08:15:38 < dongs> how long until someone writes a circuitmaker server simulator
2015-06-21T08:15:51 < dongs> then you can save shit locally
2015-06-21T08:16:13 < jadew> dongs, I was thinking about that, I bet someone is already working on it
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2015-06-21T08:57:03 < dongs> god damn
2015-06-21T08:57:09 < dongs> that eevblog video is *completely worthless*
2015-06-21T08:57:15 < dongs> i watched it in background while flashing a bunch of boards
2015-06-21T08:57:25 < dongs> just awful
2015-06-21T08:57:27 < dongs> he keeps repeating same shit
2015-06-21T08:57:32 < dongs> havent actaully done anything useful wiht the program
2015-06-21T08:57:39 < dongs> just random noise for 45 minutes
2015-06-21T08:57:42 < dongs> FUCK EEVBLOG; EEVBLOG SUX; EEVBLOG IS DYING; EEVBLOG IS DEAD TO ME; EEVBLOG HIT WTC
2015-06-21T08:59:38 < emeb_mac> you left out that bit about WTC
2015-06-21T08:59:49 < emeb_mac> oh no - there at the end.
2015-06-21T08:59:51 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-06-21T08:59:52 < dongs> its there
2015-06-21T09:00:00 < emeb_mac> I can read
2015-06-21T09:00:07 < dongs> seems
2015-06-21T09:00:11 < emeb_mac> slowly
2015-06-21T09:00:11 < jadew> where's that from?
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2015-06-21T09:00:19 < dongs> FUCK JADEW; JADEW SUX; JADEW IS DYING; JADEW IS DEAD TO ME; JADEW HIT WTC
2015-06-21T09:00:23 < dongs> jadew: its a /hitwtc alias
2015-06-21T09:00:40 < jadew> ah, neat
2015-06-21T09:01:14 < jadew> dongs, I agree about that video
2015-06-21T09:01:14 < dongs> just like some of these
2015-06-21T09:01:18 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-21T09:01:21 < dongs> but its not just THAT video
2015-06-21T09:01:30 < dongs> i dont watch his shit mostly because its all like that
2015-06-21T09:01:36 < dongs> there's very little actual science or anything useful happening
2015-06-21T09:01:48 < dongs> out of 45 minutes there will be maybe 5 minuts of something useful
2015-06-21T09:01:53 < jadew> some are nicer, I think the early ones were better
2015-06-21T09:02:01 < dongs> sellout.
2015-06-21T09:02:34 < dongs> > After watching the whole first 35 minutes then skimming to see that Dave didn't do much about schematic capture, layout, and general workflow,
2015-06-21T09:02:38 < dongs> huhuhuu
2015-06-21T09:02:40 < dongs> yeah.
2015-06-21T09:07:17 < scummos> often when watching this guy I have the impression that he didn't really prepare for what he's going to do and so he doesn't know what to say and just does something
2015-06-21T09:07:50 < scummos> which is not really worth my time given the eternal duration of his videos, tbh
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2015-06-21T09:26:38 < dongs> huh
2015-06-21T09:26:43 < dongs> circuitdonger has layer color override shit
2015-06-21T09:26:51 < dongs> but you cant configure the hashing/solid color override like you can in altium
2015-06-21T09:26:52 < dongs> wtf
2015-06-21T09:26:55 < dongs> thats just dumb
2015-06-21T09:27:03 < dongs> posting on forum
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2015-06-21T09:34:52 < dongs> haha
2015-06-21T09:34:57 < dongs> dweebs on their forum asking for mac/lunix version
2015-06-21T09:34:59 < dongs> idiots
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2015-06-21T09:47:22 < PeterM> [15:59] <emeb_mac> you left out that bit about WTC - EEVBLOG CAN MELT STEEL BEAMS WAKE UP SHEEPLE
2015-06-21T09:47:37 < dongs> heh
2015-06-21T09:53:55 < dongs> If you're a university student, you can get Altium for cheap through their university program.
2015-06-21T09:53:58 < dongs> really?
2015-06-21T09:54:35 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-21T09:55:07 < jadew> most schools have things like that
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2015-06-21T09:56:02 < jadew> MS had a thing where schools were allowed to copy and distribute their software on CDs
2015-06-21T09:56:51 < jadew> so you would go to your teacher and say "I want this product" and he would give it to you on an unmarked CD
2015-06-21T09:57:54 < jadew> I'm not 100% sure but I think this program covered most of their important products
2015-06-21T10:00:06 < jadew> I got an original copy of VS 2003 (I think) for free
2015-06-21T10:00:22 < jadew> went to a .net presentation and they were handing them out like candy
2015-06-21T10:00:52 < PeterM> dongs yes like $150 a year
2015-06-21T10:03:17 < dongs> huh, with no upfront cost?
2015-06-21T10:03:26 < dongs> or do yo connect to the uni license server
2015-06-21T10:06:46 < dongs> posted a ragereport about color override
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2015-06-21T12:39:39 < PeterM> dongs https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4054/4519381521_03a7a5cee4_b.jpg useful for "upgrading" some iphone
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2015-06-21T12:42:18 < dongs> nmice
2015-06-21T12:42:19 < dongs> nice
2015-06-21T12:43:04 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/company/newsroom/press-releases/altium-announces-new-pcb-design-tool-integrated-solidworks
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2015-06-21T12:43:08 < dongs> wat is this trash
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2015-06-21T12:43:39 < dongs> http://www.pcbworks.com/features-pcbdesign/
2015-06-21T12:43:41 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-06-21T12:43:46 < dongs> ANOTHER shit by altium that isnt designer?
2015-06-21T12:43:53 < dongs> looks like circuitstudio/maker UI
2015-06-21T12:43:55 < dongs> wiht ribbon trash
2015-06-21T12:44:00 < dongs> wtf are tehy thinking
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2015-06-21T13:27:46 < dongs> TI sent me this thing for free with the led EVB http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/USB-TO-GPIO/296-23114-ND/1805634
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2015-06-21T13:28:00 < dongs> apparently its a HID->GPIO/I2C/SMBUS etc
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2015-06-21T14:59:33 < dongs> trying this cmsis-rtos thing
2015-06-21T15:06:02 < dongs> cool
2015-06-21T15:06:05 < dongs> keil can view thread status
2015-06-21T15:06:09 < dongs> while stuff is running
2015-06-21T15:06:16 < dongs> shows if threiad is running/waiting/etc
2015-06-21T15:06:20 < dongs> stack % usage
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2015-06-21T15:36:26 < dongs> dam
2015-06-21T15:36:30 < dongs> keil simulator uses 100% cpu
2015-06-21T15:36:38 < dongs> 4.20GHZ
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2015-06-21T15:39:25 < Fleck> blaming wincrap!
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2015-06-21T15:43:01 < zyp> isn't that natural?
2015-06-21T15:43:14 < zyp> unless the firmware is sleeping, the simulator wouldn't be either
2015-06-21T15:43:26 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/forum/24639/
2015-06-21T15:43:33 < dongs> lots of wank in that thread
2015-06-21T15:44:04 < zyp> heh
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2015-06-21T15:55:06 < Getty> was C.H.I.P. this company who makes a cheap computer which cant be produced for that price?
2015-06-21T15:55:51 < dongs> something like that
2015-06-21T15:55:59 < dongs> cool, sim detectin works
2015-06-21T15:56:08 < dongs> i duno why i implemented that but oh well
2015-06-21T15:56:19 < Getty> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer/description this one?
2015-06-21T15:56:36 < dongs> yes
2015-06-21T15:56:44 < dongs> dunno why banana is involved
2015-06-21T15:56:46 < dongs> opensores is strange
2015-06-21T15:56:53 < dongs> haha 2 million
2015-06-21T15:56:55 < dongs> is it done?
2015-06-21T15:57:01 < Getty> of course not
2015-06-21T15:57:19 < Getty> but the biggest german retailer is making a tweet about them
2015-06-21T15:57:22 < Getty> and i wanna clear him u
2015-06-21T15:57:24 < Getty> p
2015-06-21T15:57:30 < dongs> PLEASE give a statement about delivering. Delivery was announced in June. Can I cancel my order when I don't receive in time? GIVE a reaction about delivering the ZANO to Germany !!!!!
2015-06-21T15:59:18 < qyx_> maybe it will do 320x240@5fps at least
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2015-06-21T16:02:06 < dongs> I'd love to see ZANO improve in terms of Marketing and PR - look at other less interesting drones - they get way more press coverage although they are not even close to be as amazing as Zano but they have a nice website and professional marketing.
2015-06-21T16:02:21 < dongs> the catch is, that other "less interesting drones" actually exist
2015-06-21T16:02:33 < Getty> the point is still that the one who lies down the stars is getting the drive
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2015-06-21T16:11:48 < scrts> Getty-> somebody did analysis on that 9USD thing
2015-06-21T16:11:57 < scrts> and they found out that it's impossible price
2015-06-21T16:12:05 < scrts> olimes I think did this
2015-06-21T16:12:09 < scrts> *olimex
2015-06-21T16:12:09 < Getty> scrts: yeah that was what i heard here, that info i dispatched over
2015-06-21T16:12:12 < Getty> yeah
2015-06-21T16:12:26 < Getty> i think the key was that allwinner doesnt sell the chip for under 9$ if i remember
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2015-06-21T16:18:10 < specing> scrts: it is not impossible if the manufacturer itself does it
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2015-06-21T16:18:23 < specing> chip is said to be a front for allwinner
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2015-06-21T16:20:05 < dongs> scrts: olimex has its own commercial interests
2015-06-21T16:20:15 < dongs> what specing said.
2015-06-21T16:20:53 < Getty> of course its possible to sell under price, xbox started that way
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2015-06-21T16:21:17 < Getty> if you got 2 million cash flow coming in, the bank will for sure add up more money
2015-06-21T16:21:24 < Getty> and so you can compensate and have your flow running
2015-06-21T16:21:25 < scrts> ok, what's the margin they add on this thing to make it feasible and sell for 9$ ?
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2015-06-21T16:21:29 < scrts> like 0.1% ?
2015-06-21T16:21:30 < Getty> its tight, but it can work out
2015-06-21T16:21:38 < Getty> i dont say they make margin
2015-06-21T16:21:41 < Getty> i say they pay up
2015-06-21T16:21:58 < scrts> I'd say they pay up for this kickstarter campaign
2015-06-21T16:22:10 < scrts> and then they'll try to get money back later by selling for more money
2015-06-21T16:22:25 < Getty> exactly
2015-06-21T16:22:30 < Getty> thats what i think is the plan here
2015-06-21T16:22:48 < Getty> first: take your share from the raspberry pi market, second: try to get money with things that are NOT the core product
2015-06-21T16:22:54 < Getty> like xbox earned a lot on the games
2015-06-21T16:22:58 < dongs> scrts: whats the margin chinese ebay sellers have when they list a $0.99 usb>serial converter with a type-A plug, USB chip, and a set of 4 wires
2015-06-21T16:22:59 < Getty> that compensated
2015-06-21T16:23:25 < dongs> oh and free shipping
2015-06-21T16:24:01 < Getty> i am no financial expert, but i would make a vague guess, that they can easily double their money with debt, without any complications (even tho 18$ is still tight)
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2015-06-21T16:24:16 < dongs> HDMI adapter is $25
2015-06-21T16:24:24 < dongs> with $5 (max) of parts on it.
2015-06-21T16:24:35 < dongs> 90% of hte people buying that trash will buy the hdmi adpater, too.
2015-06-21T16:24:37 < dongs> the end.
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2015-06-21T16:25:15 < Getty> on those situations there might also be the case of just waste buying, old companies selling their stock while getting broke and so on
2015-06-21T16:25:37 < Getty> i can imagine that there is a regulary flow of companies going broke in china and then a lot of sell out
2015-06-21T16:25:51 < Getty> thats at least how i imagine how some prices come up ;)
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2015-06-21T16:36:02 < scrts> ok, anyone here from the US?
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2015-06-21T16:57:41 < dongs> looks like rtx is running OK on hardware, too
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2015-06-21T17:00:48 < Tectu> scrts, upgrdman is murican, emeb too
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2015-06-21T17:08:37 < scrts> upgrdman-> live?
2015-06-21T17:17:31 < dongs> have you considered just asking the question
2015-06-21T17:18:09 < Tectu> "do you know a proper US salary calculator? :)"
2015-06-21T17:18:45 < Laurenceb__> how do i murica
2015-06-21T17:19:10 < Tectu> I forgot how to UK
2015-06-21T17:20:39 < Fleck> ;p
2015-06-21T17:21:49 < dongs> so whats a simple flash filesystem i can use
2015-06-21T17:23:04 < Tectu> adobe?
2015-06-21T17:23:14 < Tectu> dongs, take a look at ROMFS x'D
2015-06-21T17:23:22 < dongs> i need it not only readonly
2015-06-21T17:23:35 < Tectu> oh
2015-06-21T17:23:55 < Laurenceb__> FAT32 lol
2015-06-21T17:24:10 < dongs> loler.
2015-06-21T17:24:17 < Laurenceb__> works for me
2015-06-21T17:24:22 < dongs> on spi flash?
2015-06-21T17:24:23 < Laurenceb__> its a bit slow
2015-06-21T17:24:29 < dongs> speed doesnt matter here
2015-06-21T17:24:31 < Laurenceb__> iirc there was a driver for it
2015-06-21T17:24:38 < dongs> maybe ill try this keil driver
2015-06-21T17:24:48 < Laurenceb__> dunno if you need wear levelling
2015-06-21T17:24:51 < dongs> keil haz a fat32 thing
2015-06-21T17:24:56 < dongs> nah this shit isnt gonna last long enough
2015-06-21T17:25:01 < dongs> its some dickstarter-ish thing
2015-06-21T17:25:05 < dongs> i doubt it will ever launch
2015-06-21T17:25:26 < Laurenceb__> fatFS and spi flash then
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2015-06-21T17:25:41 < Laurenceb__> just map sectors directly to addresses
2015-06-21T17:25:55 < Tectu> wut
2015-06-21T17:26:18 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2015-06-21T17:26:18 < Getty> Fat has the advantage that you can debug easier and also can prefill easier, it is not bad and with ChanFs good covered
2015-06-21T17:26:20 < Tectu> why not raiserfs, dongs?
2015-06-21T17:26:21 < Getty> works fine for us
2015-06-21T17:26:24 < Laurenceb__> you need to format
2015-06-21T17:26:34 < Laurenceb__> can fatFS format?
2015-06-21T17:26:38 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, yes.
2015-06-21T17:26:41 < Laurenceb__> lol raiserfs
2015-06-21T17:26:43 < Laurenceb__> ok cool
2015-06-21T17:26:44 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, the ChanFS library can format
2015-06-21T17:26:52 < Laurenceb__> 4ChanFS
2015-06-21T17:27:01 < Tectu> I think PetitFS cannot (it's FatFS from Chan w/o the bloat. basically kawaiiFs)
2015-06-21T17:27:04 < Laurenceb__> more like 8Chan
2015-06-21T17:27:23 < Laurenceb__> or even 11Chan if dongs is involved
2015-06-21T17:27:25 < [7]> fat formatting is like 50 lines of code ;)
2015-06-21T17:27:26 < Getty> Tectu: its actually "ReiserFS" and "Reisswolf" is the german word for shredder, so his name really was a prediction of what would happen to the users
2015-06-21T17:27:36 < Getty> (Reiser was german)
2015-06-21T17:27:41 < [7]> basically "calculate superblock, null out FAT tables"
2015-06-21T17:27:43 < Getty> aehm is... is....
2015-06-21T17:27:45 < Laurenceb__> [7]: my USB format code is one line
2015-06-21T17:27:53 < Laurenceb__> but thats not quite the same thing
2015-06-21T17:28:13 < dongs> riserfs
2015-06-21T17:28:21 < Laurenceb__> USB format goes like : 1) use SCSI write to write superblock, 2) issue Format command
2015-06-21T17:28:33 < Laurenceb__> so i return success on the format command
2015-06-21T17:28:36 < Laurenceb__> thats it :D
2015-06-21T17:29:09 < Tectu> Getty, oh, I didn't know that it was a german man
2015-06-21T17:29:11 < Tectu> is*a
2015-06-21T17:29:14 < Tectu> afaik still in prison?
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2015-06-21T17:29:20 < Getty> Tectu: should be ;-) i hope at least
2015-06-21T17:29:27 < Laurenceb__> SCSI format command seems to be a legacy thing, nobody actually does anything with it
2015-06-21T17:29:42 < Laurenceb__> if you dont return a code, windows and lunix both hang loler
2015-06-21T17:29:52 < Getty> 2008 convicted for 15 years
2015-06-21T17:29:54 < Tectu> Getty, wasn't there some activists community who wanted to make him getting a laptop so he can finish ReiserFS?
2015-06-21T17:29:58 < Getty> so 8 more years to go
2015-06-21T17:30:14 < Tectu> Getty, only 15 years for a murder?
2015-06-21T17:30:16 < Tectu> oh wait...
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2015-06-21T17:30:21 < Tectu> He just called a hitman, right?
2015-06-21T17:30:24 < Getty> finish ReiserFS and create an even greater destruction of data
2015-06-21T17:30:25 < Tectu> did she died?
2015-06-21T17:30:32 < Getty> she disappeared
2015-06-21T17:30:39 < Tectu> lol
2015-06-21T17:30:51 < Tectu> (sorry for the laughter, I hope you're not related to that family. Otherwise my condolences)
2015-06-21T17:30:54 < Getty> oh i see, they reduced charges cause he told where the body was
2015-06-21T17:30:57 < Taxman> you mean his successor Reiser4?
2015-06-21T17:31:18 < Tectu> wait what? So the woman was killed by the hitman he hired and he only gets 15 years?
2015-06-21T17:31:49 < Getty> i dont think he used a hitman
2015-06-21T17:31:54 < dongs> pretty sure he jsut killed it
2015-06-21T17:32:10 < Getty> he made it directly and the charges were reduced cause him calling guilty and showing the body
2015-06-21T17:32:33 < Getty> oh wait! he isnt german...... wow, i thought all the years he is
2015-06-21T17:32:40 < Getty> it says at least "American"
2015-06-21T17:33:29 < Tectu> dongs: "it"
2015-06-21T17:33:53 < Tectu> Getty, yeah, I was pretty sure it was not german
2015-06-21T17:33:55 < Tectu> "it"
2015-06-21T17:34:14 < Getty> Tectu: yeah sorry, thought all the years, mainly because of the name, but still the name fits very brutally ;)
2015-06-21T17:34:43 < Getty> i had some ReiserFS friends.... i was in there..... (not a user myself, luckily i was too stupid to make it run)
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2015-06-21T17:35:59 < dongs> shoudl i try to figure out keil fatfs or just use chan shit
2015-06-21T17:36:07 < Getty> chan shit is very good
2015-06-21T17:36:12 < Taxman> i have two remaining reiserFS HDs in old computers
2015-06-21T17:36:14 < Getty> like the thing that made the most least problem was the chanfs stuff
2015-06-21T17:36:18 < Getty> ;-)
2015-06-21T17:36:19 < Tectu> Getty, germans don't tend to just kill one person, they usually don't stand up unless it's for 6 millions... but Taxman might give some different insights there
2015-06-21T17:36:20 < Getty> "most least"
2015-06-21T17:36:32 < Getty> Tectu: HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAH thats a good one
2015-06-21T17:36:40 < Getty> Tectu: i am a german
2015-06-21T17:37:02 < Tectu> Getty, there we are at the "my condolences" part again x'D
2015-06-21T17:37:04 < Getty> Tectu: and we would calculate it through before we do anything ;-)
2015-06-21T17:37:06 < Tectu> (just kidding, really)
2015-06-21T17:37:26 < Getty> yeah hey, its never wrong to make that kind of jokes about german efficiency
2015-06-21T17:37:43 < Taxman> Getty: you have a hetzner box?
2015-06-21T17:37:48 < Getty> Taxman: why you ask?
2015-06-21T17:38:14 < Taxman> hehe :) i was just looking around
2015-06-21T17:38:20 < Tectu> Getty, also, I'm really just doing those kinds of jokes because I know that Switzerland was handling the entire jew thing pretty asshole-ish themselves. We didn't exactly kill them but well... we did some more money and gold related things that might have been solved differently
2015-06-21T17:39:01 < Getty> Tectu: its all past, our ancestors were all assholes
2015-06-21T17:39:03 < Taxman> hehe and now you destroy german's tax saving paradise
2015-06-21T17:39:11 < Getty> in belgium there was a black girl in a zoo around 1965
2015-06-21T17:39:50 < Tectu> I know, they used to have entire black families from africa in a Zoo in Basel
2015-06-21T17:39:57 < Getty> its crazy
2015-06-21T17:39:59 < Tectu> around 1950 if I'm not mistaken
2015-06-21T17:40:03 < Taxman> well it was already no longer a tax saving paradiese, but at least good to hide money
2015-06-21T17:40:17 < Tectu> Taxman, I still take your money, tho.
2015-06-21T17:40:19 < Tectu> would*
2015-06-21T17:40:23 < Getty> i get paid in US, everything bad for europe makes me smile financial ;)
2015-06-21T17:41:04 < Tectu> you guys could also just come here and get "your" gold back that still sitting in our basement(s)
2015-06-21T17:41:12 < Getty> hahaha
2015-06-21T17:41:28 < Taxman> the STM32's are in dollars, everything bad in europe destroys my calculations in euros
2015-06-21T17:41:31 < Getty> Tectu: it seems more like its other around, we bring you even more gold and money
2015-06-21T17:41:51 < Tectu> If I remember correctly we got around 80*10^9 euros worth of "that gold" from you guys
2015-06-21T17:42:09 < Getty> Tectu: i saw some tv show thing where they follow cops at work, on the switzerland border
2015-06-21T17:42:26 < Getty> Tectu: and there were like 2 guys in mercedes and like totally suited up and everything perfect clean
2015-06-21T17:42:36 < Tectu> I know :D
2015-06-21T17:42:38 < Getty> Tectu: but the complete inside of the car, like every spot that is "hidden" was filled with money
2015-06-21T17:42:56 < Getty> they put out like half a million or so, in front of the camera
2015-06-21T17:43:01 < Getty> so that was just ONE CASE on A RANDOM DAY
2015-06-21T17:43:02 < Getty> ;-)
2015-06-21T17:43:12 < Getty> i didnt wanted to calc that up
2015-06-21T17:43:23 < Tectu> Getty, indeed
2015-06-21T17:43:29 < Tectu> well, we don't mind getting money
2015-06-21T17:43:40 < Getty> i can imagine
2015-06-21T17:43:52 < Tectu> the nice thing is that even if they (the swiss border people) find the money and give it to the german state we still get taxes and charges from it...
2015-06-21T17:44:42 < Tectu> anyway, I got no money myself so meh :/
2015-06-21T17:45:06 < Tectu> the fact that we get all your money is just making everything more exepensive here which results in me being put into an even worse position xD
2015-06-21T17:46:17 < Taxman> Tectu: How far do you live away from the border to germany?
2015-06-21T17:46:32 < Getty> Taxman: even if its not far, how does it matter? there is still a mountain ;)
2015-06-21T17:47:01 < Tectu> Taxman, about two to three hours. I life in the alps in the south. Just about 30 minutes from the italian border
2015-06-21T17:47:19 < Getty> do you leave often your habitat?
2015-06-21T17:47:21 < Getty> ;-)
2015-06-21T17:47:46 < Tectu> there aren't more mountains in switzerland than where I live... http://imgur.com/a/gho6z
2015-06-21T17:48:09 < Taxman> i have heard a lot of swiss people are visiting germany for shopping - and saving the VAT...
2015-06-21T17:48:12 < Tectu> people also like this one:  http://www.ueliraz.ch/2005/ferden/faldum-16.jpg
2015-06-21T17:48:21 < Tectu> note that the valley itself is at 1'600 meters above sea level
2015-06-21T17:48:26 < Getty> reminds me of WarThunder
2015-06-21T17:48:39 < Getty> i just see myself flying my bomber through this shooting the defence towers
2015-06-21T17:48:39 < Tectu> Taxman, yep, they do that a lot at the borders.
2015-06-21T17:48:54 < Tectu> I see you got the real german genes, man
2015-06-21T17:48:57 < Taxman> impressive mountaisn - but i need a lake
2015-06-21T17:49:22 < Getty> Tectu: people told me i have a bit of russian spice in me, so its even more hot boiled ;)
2015-06-21T17:49:36 < Tectu> Taxman, like that?  http://cdn.guidle.com/files/pics/thumbs/4/th_1392807961612_533450_20138271146232990.1873341138093283.jpg
2015-06-21T17:50:03 < Taxman> this is a idyllic lake but too cold for swimming ;)
2015-06-21T17:50:11 < Getty> i must go
2015-06-21T17:50:37 < Tectu> Taxman, this is the nearest lake from my house:  http://www.sierretourisme.ch/data/plaine/images/Region/petit_lac.jpg
2015-06-21T17:50:42 < Tectu> about 15 minutes by train
2015-06-21T17:50:58 < Taxman> good lake
2015-06-21T17:51:05 < Tectu> the thing on the left is an island within the lake, so the lake itself is larger than just that
2015-06-21T17:51:06 < Taxman> seems to be summer time
2015-06-21T17:51:40 < Taxman> my lake is around 15 km away from here
2015-06-21T17:51:43 < Tectu> Taxman, I used to swim a lot in this lake:  http://www.castello-bettmeralp.ch/images/3373849efc0ecf601.jpg
2015-06-21T17:51:58 < Tectu> Taxman, but it's like at 2'000 meters above sea:  http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5236/5892897181_f24cceeaeb_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.flickr.com/photos/carnescialiluca/5892897181/&h=683&w=1024&tbnid=Jej__cd1AvYelM:&zoom=1&docid=OQAyWJB_9ChuDM&ei=bs-GVZGQBYu2Ud_WgIgC&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygFMAU
2015-06-21T17:52:08 < Tectu> fixed link: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5236/5892897181_f24cceeaeb_b.jpg
2015-06-21T17:52:25 < Taxman> so how many months in a year are suitable for swimming?
2015-06-21T17:53:04 < Taxman> cool lake. how did you made it that the lake does not flow out down the hill?
2015-06-21T17:53:14 < Tectu> Taxman, 12 months if you're keen ;)
2015-06-21T17:53:23 < Tectu> Taxman, and then there's that famous see in the center of swizerland... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/6619_-_Vitznau_-_Vierwaldst%C3%A4ttersee.JPG
2015-06-21T17:53:29 < Tectu> http://media.holidaycheck.com/data/urlaubsbilder/images/166/1157523949.jpg
2015-06-21T17:53:36 < Tectu> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/6615_-_Vitznau_-_Vierwaldst%C3%A4ttersee.JPG
2015-06-21T17:54:14 < Taxman> in filisur is a psychedelic trance this summer
2015-06-21T17:54:14 < Tectu> Taxman, there's an artificial gravity generator in the center at the bottom of that lake so it stays put in the mountain.
2015-06-21T17:54:42 < Taxman> so it is good for water skiing without a rope
2015-06-21T17:55:13 < Tectu> Taxman, they installed the first waterskiing automated lift thing in a lake here in switzerland just a week or two ago near zermatt
2015-06-21T17:55:30 < Taxman> hehe :)
2015-06-21T17:55:35 < Tectu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4PPEqOhsU4
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2015-06-21T17:57:16 < Taxman> nice but no good for me
2015-06-21T17:57:52 < Tectu> I'm not much into it either
2015-06-21T17:58:46 < Tectu> Taxman, you can always go "rodeln"  https://youtu.be/ammGXON_mYM?t=124
2015-06-21T17:58:49 < Tectu> if you're more into that kind of thing
2015-06-21T17:59:35 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzj5X_GmZG8
2015-06-21T18:00:41 < Tectu> have you ever tried it, Fleck? I wonder how easy it is
2015-06-21T18:01:00 < Fleck> no, but this is in my city
2015-06-21T18:01:08 < Taxman> what do you think? is this a good thing or destroying the landscape?
2015-06-21T18:01:28 < BrainDamage> i did kitesurf for a while
2015-06-21T18:02:36 < Tectu> Taxman, the rodeln thing or the lake thing?
2015-06-21T18:03:19 < Tectu> Taxman, it's hard to spot the rodel track in the mountain when you're not really searching for it as it is within the woods
2015-06-21T18:03:33 < Tectu> Taxman, it's definitely fun to ride it. Who cares about some trees, right? :P
2015-06-21T18:03:44 < Tectu> BrainDamage, how awesome is it on a scale from 1 to 10?
2015-06-21T18:03:50 < Taxman> the rodeln thing
2015-06-21T18:04:06 < Taxman> hehe ok ;)
2015-06-21T18:04:11 < BrainDamage> greatly depends on the weather, with the right weather it's a solid 9
2015-06-21T18:04:33 < Tectu> I gotta leave and prepare for some exams
2015-06-21T18:04:35 < Tectu> take care, guys!
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2015-06-21T18:05:08 < BrainDamage> i saw a 10m wing catapult a 120kg gym rat out of the water 15m ahead on a wind gust
2015-06-21T18:05:32 < Taxman> impressive
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2015-06-21T19:40:01 < Laurenceb__> this is interesting  http://www.polyplus.com/liair.html
2015-06-21T19:40:12 < Laurenceb__>  It is unlikely that conventional battery technology can safely exceed a specific energy of 250 Wh/kg
2015-06-21T19:40:14 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-06-21T19:40:37 < Laurenceb__> Panasonic sells 275 Wh/kg already
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2015-06-21T19:59:23 < superbia> nsfw https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1432636325749.webm
2015-06-21T20:09:00 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-06-21T20:09:06 < Laurenceb__> how do i remove a file called -???H	
2015-06-21T20:11:28 < gxti> what, on lunix?
2015-06-21T20:12:52 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: try "rm -- -" and then press <Tab>
2015-06-21T20:17:55 < jpa-> superbia: how is that nsfw?
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2015-06-21T20:21:15 < emeb> depends on what you're work is.
2015-06-21T20:22:19 < Laurenceb__> yeah on lunix
2015-06-21T20:22:25 < Laurenceb__> superbia: old
2015-06-21T20:23:23 < Laurenceb__> lol jpa-
2015-06-21T20:23:24 < zyp> Laurenceb__, -- to stop option parsing and then just escape it like any commandline argument
2015-06-21T20:23:30 < zyp> i.e. what PaulFertser said
2015-06-21T20:23:50 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-06-21T20:24:16 < jpa-> ./-<tab> works also
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2015-06-21T20:39:40 < upgrdman> wouldn't rm "-???H" also work?
2015-06-21T20:40:25 < _Sync__> protip
2015-06-21T20:40:35 < _Sync__> use a hex editor to create a file ..
2015-06-21T20:40:42 < _Sync__> pro trolling will ensue
2015-06-21T20:40:57 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-21T20:41:55 < _Sync__> some filesystems don't like that
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2015-06-21T23:01:00 < Laurenceb__> incest is relatively boring, but necrophilia is dead boring
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2015-06-21T23:40:49 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ is just boring?
2015-06-21T23:45:31 < _Sync__> he has hands on experience
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2015-06-22T00:37:10 < Fleck> 2.54mm headers ?
2015-06-22T00:37:50 < specing> chinese manufacturers hate them!
2015-06-22T00:38:09 < Fleck> hey specing
2015-06-22T00:39:00 < _Sync__> specing: why? because they have to pay somebody inserting them by hand?
2015-06-22T00:39:14 < specing> Fleck: sup
2015-06-22T00:39:37 < specing> _Sync__: because they are much more expensive than say...anything else
2015-06-22T00:39:52 < mitrax> fleck: yeah, i guess that's the name
2015-06-22T00:40:10 < specing> also those are "1 headers
2015-06-22T00:40:18 < upgrdman> mitrax, "dupont connector" on ebay
2015-06-22T00:40:24 < specing> Life is much better in the imperial system!
2015-06-22T00:41:22 < _Sync__> 0o
2015-06-22T00:41:28 < _Sync__> are they really that expensive?
2015-06-22T00:41:38 < mitrax> upgrdman: thanks
2015-06-22T00:42:07 < upgrdman> sure
2015-06-22T00:42:18 < Fleck> _Sync_: they are, when you buy as "1 headers :D 2.54mm headers are cheap :D
2015-06-22T00:43:33 < _Sync__> ye
2015-06-22T00:44:36 < specing> has anyone found a supply of board mount female "1 *round* headers that are not crazy expensive?
2015-06-22T00:44:55 < specing> the ones where you can easily break them off
2015-06-22T00:50:55 < Fleck> there are no round female headers on motherboard usually... never seen one at least
2015-06-22T00:50:57 < upgrdman> like these?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-NEW-1x40-Pin-Single-Row-2-54mm-Round-Female-Header-/131095406426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e85e5275a
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2015-06-22T02:16:58 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.4cdn.org/wg/1432256587443.jpg
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2015-06-22T03:04:51 < superbia> upgrdman: old
2015-06-22T03:05:09 < upgrdman> but good
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2015-06-22T03:09:41 < Getty> upgrdman: this is genius
2015-06-22T03:12:52 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-06-22T03:27:57 < dongs> sup pros
2015-06-22T03:28:41 < superbia> sup inventors
2015-06-22T03:29:02 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/LOmVT0l.jpg
2015-06-22T03:31:17 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kk-E3acGSM
2015-06-22T03:31:44 < dongs> wtf is this shit
2015-06-22T03:31:50 < dongs> do i need sound on to understand the funny
2015-06-22T03:32:15 < upgrdman> no
2015-06-22T03:32:27 < dongs> ok wasnt funny then
2015-06-22T03:32:28 < upgrdman> he just says "it's your boy papi here nigga"
2015-06-22T03:32:34 < upgrdman> that dudes face...
2015-06-22T03:33:48 < superbia> dude
2015-06-22T03:33:58 < superbia> we dont make fun out of people like that
2015-06-22T03:35:31 < upgrdman> lol right
2015-06-22T03:40:47 < emeb_mac> I was told that this is where innovation happens
2015-06-22T03:41:07 < upgrdman> request a refund
2015-06-22T03:41:10 < dongs> wht the fuck does STM32F302xB/xC dataasheet keep saying "up to 40kb sram"
2015-06-22T03:41:23 < dongs> is it 40 or is it LESS, fucking assholes why cant they just write it without talking shit
2015-06-22T03:41:30 < emeb_mac> marketing
2015-06-22T03:41:56 < dongs> ok
2015-06-22T03:41:58 < dongs> found table
2015-06-22T03:42:11 < dongs> depends on flash size
2015-06-22T03:42:17 < dongs> 128k = 32kbyte 256k  =40kbyte
2015-06-22T04:05:00 < dongs> Though the still photos could be 5 MP, a high definition video (1920x1080) is just over 2 MP so the extra pixels are used to resolve issues in the video including the fisheye effect. What it really gives you is a bigger window (more angles) to look through but you still only capture on video a portion of what the camera sees through the "window." I think it is a much better solution than a mechanical shifting of lens angle, which was previously planned.
2015-06-22T04:05:06 < dongs> ol
2015-06-22T04:05:22 < dongs> they miss the part wehre all those '5mp" sensors actually capture with 5mp and rescale
2015-06-22T04:05:28 < dongs> to get any reasonable quality
2015-06-22T04:06:19 < superbia> is this zano related?
2015-06-22T04:06:24 < dongs> of course
2015-06-22T04:06:38 < superbia> why cant you publish anything inovative here
2015-06-22T04:06:41 < dongs> they announced instead of hardware tilt to the camera, they'll have fisheye lens and use sensor windowing to tilt it
2015-06-22T04:07:22 < dongs> I appreciate the update information. I wonder if it is possible to see some actual photos or video using the decided upon optics in action. Photo/Video capabilities were the primary reasons for getting into the Xano project. I certainly hope that along with a reliable and stable shooting platform the video is top notch.
2015-06-22T04:08:40 < superbia> http://www.ephesus.us/images/hadrian.jpg this is a temple of inovation
2015-06-22T04:11:58 < dongs> looks like shit ot me
2015-06-22T04:12:13 < superbia> still better than listening about zano
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2015-06-22T04:15:00 < dongs> fucking wanker
2015-06-22T04:22:36 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/yecup-the-world-s-first-connected-smart-cup#/story wut
2015-06-22T04:25:30 < upgrdman> for some reason, when it said "smart cup" i immediately thought it was a menstrual cup.
2015-06-22T04:27:41 < karlp> innovation: http://i.imgur.com/ubh7kZe.jpg
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2015-06-22T04:33:34 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-06-22T04:33:56 < emeb_mac> Inigo Montoya - applies in so many ways.
2015-06-22T04:34:30 < emeb_mac> dongs: didn't you do a system using R820 chip?
2015-06-22T04:34:55 < dongs> tuner? did
2015-06-22T04:35:01 < emeb_mac> ya
2015-06-22T04:35:16 < emeb_mac> what do those things cost?
2015-06-22T04:35:24 < dongs> uh, like $1 or someshit
2015-06-22T04:35:25 < dongs> lemme see
2015-06-22T04:35:43 < dongs> R820T2	QFN24	50	$1.0000	$50.00
2015-06-22T04:35:44 < dongs> yes
2015-06-22T04:35:54 < emeb_mac> nice
2015-06-22T04:36:13 < emeb_mac> too bad they're hard to get for us DIY folks
2015-06-22T04:36:23 < superbia> aka inovators
2015-06-22T04:36:31 < emeb_mac> that
2015-06-22T04:36:49 < dongs> people who actually need to use htem have no problems obtaining
2015-06-22T04:37:03 < dongs> whatcha gonan do with it?
2015-06-22T04:37:03 < emeb_mac> what is this word - "need"
2015-06-22T04:37:09 < dongs> it outputs zero IF
2015-06-22T04:37:13 < dongs> so i guess you can sample it with stm32?
2015-06-22T04:37:19 < emeb_mac> ya
2015-06-22T04:37:28 < emeb_mac> but I'd drive it into a real ADC
2015-06-22T04:37:35 < dongs> o
2015-06-22T04:37:44 < emeb_mac> then into FPGA for some fast SDR processing.
2015-06-22T04:37:48 < dongs> pfft
2015-06-22T04:37:52 < dongs> that sounds ilke work
2015-06-22T04:40:22 < emeb_mac> dongs: any idea what the max IF BW of that thing is?
2015-06-22T04:41:06 < dongs> 10mhz
2015-06-22T04:41:16 < emeb_mac> cool - thx
2015-06-22T04:41:26 < dongs> TV stuff won't use >8m so i duno how good it is above that
2015-06-22T04:41:28 < emeb_mac> I see they have an R820T2 now
2015-06-22T04:41:32 < dongs> T2 is what im using yea
2015-06-22T04:41:35 < dongs> you cant get T afaik
2015-06-22T04:41:43 < dongs> t2 is better anyway
2015-06-22T04:41:45 < emeb_mac> old n busted
2015-06-22T04:41:59 < emeb_mac> same pinout & programming?
2015-06-22T04:42:22 < dongs> fully compatible
2015-06-22T04:42:27 < emeb_mac> kk
2015-06-22T04:42:28 < dongs> i reflowed T off my rtlsdr dongle
2015-06-22T04:42:33 < dongs> and stuck T2 on it
2015-06-22T04:42:35 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-06-22T04:42:36 < dongs> for instant amazement
2015-06-22T04:42:39 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-06-22T04:42:50 < emeb_mac> did the soundstage open up?
2015-06-22T04:42:53 < dongs> yea manm
2015-06-22T04:43:08 < dongs> like it got pulled wide open wiht 2 hands with a goldring on one
2015-06-22T04:43:13 < PeterM> woooOoOoowwww duuuuuude
2015-06-22T04:43:16 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-06-22T04:43:27 < PeterM> amazeeeee
2015-06-22T04:44:10 < emeb_mac> rf goatse
2015-06-22T04:44:52 < emeb_mac> oh - in other news there's a new version of zadig that seems to install WinUSB w/o going into test mode.
2015-06-22T04:45:17 < dongs> thats teh one that installs a backdoor certificate on your computer
2015-06-22T04:45:55 < emeb_mac> uh right.
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2015-06-22T05:09:30 < PeterM> this website is either amazing or horrifying - it seems like something dongs would compile http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/catspin.gif
2015-06-22T05:15:24 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/UniqueIllustriousHartebeest what teh fuck?
2015-06-22T05:17:32 < PeterM> of all the things dongs wtfs at it is sticks under tension
2015-06-22T05:18:00  * emeb_mac doesn't click
2015-06-22T05:18:39 < PeterM> emeb_mac, both are sfw
2015-06-22T05:18:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1_XdDeLb8o found original
2015-06-22T05:19:14 < aandrew> that's not just something dongs would compile. that's him in that red and white turban
2015-06-22T05:20:05  * emeb_mac clicked
2015-06-22T05:20:33 < emeb_mac> I used to have a cat that liked to sit on my office chair and have me spin it around
2015-06-22T05:20:48 < PeterM> http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/ contains many images, mostly NSFW many also NSFL
2015-06-22T05:20:57 < emeb_mac> L?
2015-06-22T05:21:00 < PeterM> life
2015-06-22T05:21:07 < emeb_mac> yeah. no.
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2015-06-22T05:21:36 < PeterM> it's like everytime someone saw a picture they found interesting on 4chan they put it there
2015-06-22T05:21:52 < emeb_mac> that right there is enough to know
2015-06-22T05:22:07 < emeb_mac> that which has been seen...
2015-06-22T05:22:32 < PeterM> they have an ap[propriate header warning http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/caution.gif (sfw)
2015-06-22T05:23:42 < emeb_mac> there was a time when I was a kid - we got stuck in a traffic jam caused by a freeway accident. We passed the scene - there were piles of guts on the road. That's one of those things you don't forget.
2015-06-22T05:24:00 < emeb_mac> don't need more of that.
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2015-06-22T05:25:35 < dongs> nice
2015-06-22T05:28:25 < PeterM> there is a wiki i cant remember which, possibly encyclopedia dramatica which has an entire page of gore under offended, it says somethign along the lines of "sorry to have offended you, pelase slowly scroll to the bottom"
2015-06-22T05:28:37 < emeb_mac> haha
2015-06-22T05:29:44 < dongs> if I ever get near a nice crash I'll be sure to film it in 4k
2015-06-22T05:29:55 < dongs> none of this shaky 240p garbage from 3rd world cellphones
2015-06-22T05:30:03 < emeb_mac> Internet: Use With Caution
2015-06-22T05:30:14 < emeb_mac> dongs: image stabilized pls
2015-06-22T05:33:28 < PeterM> dongs shoot it with what 4k? better not be gobro trash
2015-06-22T05:33:55 < emeb_mac> DSLR
2015-06-22T05:34:07 < dongs> lol, no i have a proper 4k cam
2015-06-22T05:34:08 < emeb_mac> Top-quality Japan gear
2015-06-22T05:34:13 < dongs> yeah
2015-06-22T05:34:30 < dongs>  HC-X1000
2015-06-22T05:35:27 < PeterM> phew, thought you were gon say 4turds
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2015-06-22T05:37:35 < dongs> sadly, it runs lunix
2015-06-22T05:46:07 < englishman> lol big cam like that runs lunix?
2015-06-22T05:46:09 < englishman> wa
2015-06-22T05:46:20 < englishman> wht a sad state of affairs
2015-06-22T05:55:52 < emeb_mac> linux is everywhere. you can't get away from it.
2015-06-22T06:02:10 < PeterM> a map of lunix adoption http://i.imgur.com/2INqnto.gif
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2015-06-22T06:08:56 < PeterM> story of R2COM http://imgur.com/gallery/D9ux5
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2015-06-22T06:18:52 < emeb_mac> Why is everyone crouching?
2015-06-22T06:24:10 < PeterM> dunno why but its common in that part of the world to crouch/squat but it is often done instead of sitting
2015-06-22T06:43:22 < upgrdman> crouching tiger, hidden russian
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2015-06-22T07:50:43 < PeterM> did she use wax to style her moustache?
2015-06-22T07:50:47 < dongs> PeterM: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=map+of+aids
2015-06-22T07:51:07 < dongs> now what we need to do is
2015-06-22T07:51:11 < dongs> overlay map of aids with map of lunix installs
2015-06-22T07:53:40 < dongs> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2780600959_5e8e7bef99_o.jpg
2015-06-22T07:54:00 < dongs> thats a lunix poipularit map
2015-06-22T07:56:23 < PeterM> http://tylervigen.com/discover probably aready has the correlation done
2015-06-22T07:57:41 < PeterM> im surprised you didnt know?
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2015-06-22T10:20:17 < dongs> hm no reply to my shit in circuitdonger forum
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2015-06-22T10:36:27 < dongs> http://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute wat
2015-06-22T10:43:16 < jpa-> must be Laurenceb's old project
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2015-06-22T11:00:07 < PeterM> Person would just go "nah fuck it, i'll just write it fresh at home sometime"
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2015-06-22T11:21:15 < dongs> which one of hte 030/050 shits is crystal-less usb
2015-06-22T11:21:19 < dongs> do they also have USB bootloader?
2015-06-22T11:21:23 < dongs> or just use peripheral
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2015-06-22T11:23:41 < dongs> F04xxx has usb
2015-06-22T11:23:43 < dongs> what hte hell is this
2015-06-22T11:26:53 < rewolff> And... to my surprise they DO have a bootloader, although when I checked that wasn't documented.
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2015-06-22T11:27:36 < rewolff> (It HAS a bootloader, documented and all, but not documented to do boot-via-USB. Well. it DOES have boot-via-USB).
2015-06-22T11:28:11 < rewolff> 042 and 072 have USB. 092 too, but I haven't used it. (is it available yet?)
2015-06-22T11:28:50 < dongs> yeah im reading docs, bootloader appnote mentions DFU on 042
2015-06-22T11:29:26 < dongs> AN2606
2015-06-22T11:34:20 < rewolff> It didn't when I checked it a few months ago.
2015-06-22T11:35:27 < dongs> they update it from time to time
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2015-06-22T11:36:47 < rewolff> In the known limititations the bootloader bug is also "cleaned up".
2015-06-22T11:37:01 < rewolff> The bootloader TRIES to set the default value of HSITRIM.
2015-06-22T11:37:35 < rewolff> However it sets it to ZERO (as documented) while the default value IS 16 (the middle value from 0-31. )
2015-06-22T11:38:08 < rewolff> And it not only does this "at boot", but also when you tell it to jump to the application.
2015-06-22T11:38:40 < rewolff> Baudrates are off-by-<toomuch> after you jump to the application.
2015-06-22T11:39:17 < rewolff> (with 0.5% per LSB, I think the "toomuch" is about 8%)
2015-06-22T11:40:27 < rewolff> Workaround (HSITRIM=8 in your initialization code). A documented default that you can't count upon.....
2015-06-22T11:41:15 < dongs> sounds pretty pro
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2015-06-22T12:01:01 < umquant> Can anyone provide some insight on structuring an application that must issue serial commands and read responses.
2015-06-22T12:06:13 < jpa-> with some well defined protocol or with some ascii-based undefined crap like at commands?
2015-06-22T12:09:03 < umquant> jpa- Somewhere in between. It is an sn8200 wifi module http://wireless.murata.com/RFM/data/sn8200_snic_uart_serial_interface_user_manual.pdf?ref=mws.com
2015-06-22T12:12:06 < jpa-> i'd probably just go with a simple blocking API for the driver module;   bool wlan_connect();  etc.
2015-06-22T12:13:00 < umquant> so that function would just wait for response
2015-06-22T12:13:20 < jpa-> yes
2015-06-22T12:13:34 < umquant> Okay cool!
2015-06-22T12:13:45 < jpa-> then when you need to do other stuff in meanwhile, you can either use interrupts or RTOS threads to do that
2015-06-22T12:14:44 < dongs> you can just have serial stuff either by DMA or IRQ filling up response buffers, then read them in main "loop" and decide stuff.
2015-06-22T12:14:48 < jpa-> i've seen plenty of home-grown "asynchronous IO" frameworks, which while theoretically nice are usually unnecessarily complex and poorly implemented
2015-06-22T12:15:05 < dongs> send would be just blocking or fill buffer + start DMA?IRQ tx
2015-06-22T12:15:14 < jpa-> yeah, sure, you should probably do the UART reception in DMA or IRQ because STM32 does not have hardware FIFO
2015-06-22T12:15:40 < jpa-> if you are using some HAL library it may provide a FIFO abstraction already
2015-06-22T12:16:25 < umquant> I am using the Keil enviroment / RTOS so I have access to Message Boxes and such
2015-06-22T12:21:03 < dongs> it doesnt even need to be that complicated.
2015-06-22T12:25:30 < jpa-> yeah, a simple ring buffer will suffice
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2015-06-22T12:26:00 < jpa-> though STM32 UART is particularly annoying if you want reliable high-speed transfers
2015-06-22T12:30:24 < umquant> jpa-, I am not too familiar with ring buffers so I will need to read up on them
2015-06-22T12:30:57 < Ecco> Hi everyone :)
2015-06-22T12:31:06 < Ecco> Quick quesiton regarding Altium CircuitMaker
2015-06-22T12:31:20 < Ecco> I'm trying to build a breakout PCB for a chinese LCD I purchased a sample of
2015-06-22T12:31:49 < forGGe> Hi guys! Does anyone knows good emulation software for Linux? sides GNU ARM Eclipse QEMU.
2015-06-22T12:32:03 < Ecco> Said LCD panel comes with a flat printed cable (FPC), but unfortunately there's no connector for this specific FPC
2015-06-22T12:32:08 < Ecco> (the pitch is 0.9mm)
2015-06-22T12:32:18 < Ecco> It's supposed to be soldered directly to the board using a hot bar
2015-06-22T12:32:43 < jpa-> forGGe: there does not exist any particularly useful emulator for ARM microcontrollers; AFAIK qemu is the best there is
2015-06-22T12:33:09 < forGGe> jpa-, aah, I see.
2015-06-22T12:33:13 < forGGe> I
2015-06-22T12:33:19 < Ecco> So I'm trying to make an outline for this specific cable in CircuitMaker
2015-06-22T12:33:30 < Ecco> Am I supposed to create a new component for this?
2015-06-22T12:34:00 < jpa-> most probably yes
2015-06-22T12:35:28 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-22T12:36:11 < forGGe> What's about Linux & designing PCB or circut emulation. I know there are answers in google :) But I would like to know if it convinient to use such software there. Since most of electronics stuff written for Win...
2015-06-22T12:36:31 < Ecco> forGGe: The consensus here is that everything but Altium blows :-)
2015-06-22T12:36:37 < Ecco> (or it seems to be ^^)
2015-06-22T12:36:47 < Ecco> The license is $10'000+ / year
2015-06-22T12:36:47 < specing> forGGe: gEDA :)
2015-06-22T12:36:56 < Ecco> *but* there's a free version named CircuitMaker
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2015-06-22T12:37:06 < Ecco> I've been using it for a few days, and honestly it seems very good
2015-06-22T12:37:12 < Ecco> that's the only EDA I've ever used though
2015-06-22T12:37:16 < specing> Ecco: then why does dongs always go "altidong this, circuitcrap that"?
2015-06-22T12:37:34 < forGGe> specing, got it ;)
2015-06-22T12:37:43 < Ecco> I don't know, but it definitely looks like dongs' way of writing :)
2015-06-22T12:38:05 < specing> its proprietary, so dongs should be excited about it
2015-06-22T12:38:06 < Ecco> specing: apparently KiCAD is pretty good too among the FOSS
2015-06-22T12:38:08 < specing> instead...
2015-06-22T12:38:27 < Ecco> Well, CircuitMaker forces you to upload all your files to their cloud
2015-06-22T12:38:28 < Ecco> which sucks
2015-06-22T12:38:38 < specing> Ecco: never used KiCAD
2015-06-22T12:38:40 < Ecco> but it's the price to pay to get the free license
2015-06-22T12:38:49 < specing> apart from opening (and closing) it
2015-06-22T12:38:53 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T12:39:06 < specing> What if you disconnect internet from that VM?
2015-06-22T12:39:14 < Ecco> specing: game over
2015-06-22T12:39:16 < specing> will it just not start?
2015-06-22T12:39:23 < Ecco> pretty much, yeah
2015-06-22T12:40:14 < specing> that sounds like you are designing circuits while pinned to the pole
2015-06-22T12:40:23 < Ecco> what do you mean,
2015-06-22T12:40:24 < Ecco> ?
2015-06-22T12:40:53 < jpa-> forGGe: well, i do all of my hobby stuff on linux (first eagle, now i use kicad), hasn't been a problem
2015-06-22T12:42:19 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2015-06-22T12:44:09 < specing> dongs: would you like it better if someone renamed gEDA to dongsMaker pro and shipped it to you without source?
2015-06-22T12:44:20 < dongs> specing: no, because it would still be shit
2015-06-22T12:44:26 < specing> dongs: oh and added a "feature" so you cannot use it without it reporting what you are doing
2015-06-22T12:44:37 < dongs> specing: they can go ahead and opensores orcad
2015-06-22T12:44:42 < dongs> i would care even less
2015-06-22T12:45:04 < specing> I still think gEDA is the best
2015-06-22T12:45:33 < specing> since altium/circuitmaker/orcad do not even qualify
2015-06-22T12:45:34 < dongs> you have to be joking
2015-06-22T12:45:35 < jpa-> i'm not silly enough to think that gEDA or kicad would beat altium, but they are fine enough for me
2015-06-22T12:45:40 < specing> which leaves gEDA and KiCAD
2015-06-22T12:45:48 < specing> jpa-: they don't have to
2015-06-22T12:45:57 < jpa-> oh yeah, if you are RMS then closed sores don't qualify
2015-06-22T12:46:06 < specing> altium was out of the question before the competition even started
2015-06-22T12:46:26 < specing> Oh yeah, now I am RMS himself
2015-06-22T12:46:29 < jpa-> yeah, your competition has funny rules and no prizes
2015-06-22T12:50:12 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-06-22T12:51:08 < dongs> lols.
2015-06-22T12:51:16 < dongs> yeah blindly ignoring tools that work
2015-06-22T12:51:17 < dongs> because opensores
2015-06-22T12:51:23 < dongs> seems to be a really dumb approach
2015-06-22T12:51:35 < jpa-> i wonder why geda wanted to participate in that contest :)
2015-06-22T12:51:36 < dongs> good luck trying to make anything professional in EDA package that requires editing shit in text editor
2015-06-22T12:51:40 < dongs> to finish the job
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2015-06-22T12:52:08 < jpa-> dongs: well, i've done professional stuff in kicad; worked, would do again
2015-06-22T12:52:27 < dongs> why arent folks like foxconn and shit making computer motherboards with  kikecad then
2015-06-22T12:53:15 < jpa-> because other ways work better
2015-06-22T12:53:31 < jpa-> but no need for luck, just a little bit of extra patience
2015-06-22T12:55:41 < Ecco> Out of curiosity
2015-06-22T12:55:55 < Ecco> Where is KiCAD really behind Altium?
2015-06-22T12:56:01 < jpa-> usability
2015-06-22T12:56:03 < Ecco> And is CircuitMaker better than KiCad ?
2015-06-22T12:56:10 < jpa-> probably, but haven't tried
2015-06-22T12:56:17 < Ecco> usability as in user interface?
2015-06-22T12:56:19 < jpa-> yes
2015-06-22T12:56:30 < Ecco> that's all?
2015-06-22T12:56:47 < jpa-> well, it has lack of features in layout and libraries etc, but those are quite minor things
2015-06-22T12:56:54 < Ecco> (well, it is important, but I thought the difference was bigger)
2015-06-22T12:56:54 < jpa-> main hurdle is the abysmal user interface
2015-06-22T12:56:58 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T12:57:21 < Ecco> I have to say, CircuitMaker was as "simple" as can be
2015-06-22T12:57:43 < Ecco> (the job is rather complex after all, but that being a given the UI is good)
2015-06-22T12:57:55 < jpa-> in some ways also the lack of stable releases is holding it back; stuff in kicad just keeps changing and breaking, sometimes old schematics break when you open them in new version etc.
2015-06-22T12:58:36 < Ecco> hmm, ok
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2015-06-22T13:18:35 < PeterM> circuit maker is free and you get two private projects. if you want more, just make another  free account
2015-06-22T13:19:10 < specing> does it send private projects to the cloud as well?
2015-06-22T13:19:28 < PeterM> yes, btu doesnt release them
2015-06-22T13:20:14 < dongs> just get some clever romanian hacker to write a web proxy
2015-06-22T13:20:20 < dongs> to sit between altidong servers and circuitmaker
2015-06-22T13:20:23 < dongs> and cache shit localle
2015-06-22T13:20:23 < dongs> the end
2015-06-22T13:20:37 < dongs> their ciiva backedn is just using asp/soap stuff
2015-06-22T13:20:43 < dongs> can't imagine file storage being very complicated
2015-06-22T13:20:52 < dongs> its probably not even encrypted or anything
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2015-06-22T13:37:07 < karlp> heh, peterm's aids map has 20k with aids in iceland.
2015-06-22T13:37:08 < karlp> nice one
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2015-06-22T14:25:17 < dongs> http://creativebits.org/german_nacism_partys_corporate_identity_manual wat
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2015-06-22T14:34:43 < PeterM> \karlp what do you know a lot of people wiht aids or something?
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2015-06-22T14:35:15 < karlp> there's only 300k people here, 20k with aids would be massive
2015-06-22T14:35:48 < karlp> there's something like 2-300 iirc.
2015-06-22T14:36:24 < PeterM> yeah must be something like "less than x millions"
2015-06-22T14:36:37 < PeterM> rather than millions
2015-06-22T14:36:46 < PeterM> because >0<20k
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2015-06-22T14:39:20 < karlp> yeah, I know, just still seemed funny to have absolute numbers on a graph like that.
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2015-06-22T15:11:40 < Ecco> Which SMT cap/res size should I choose for hand soldering ?
2015-06-22T15:11:45 < Ecco> Is 0805 reasonable?
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2015-06-22T15:12:14 < zyp> 0805 is pretty huge
2015-06-22T15:12:40 < Ecco> To the point where it's annoying?
2015-06-22T15:12:55 < Ecco> There are just a few caps on my board and I have to put a 2x8 2.54mm header anyway
2015-06-22T15:13:35 < dongs> 0603 is fine
2015-06-22T15:15:07 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T15:16:25 < Ecco> A reference schematic that I'm using only mention "1 uF" capacitors
2015-06-22T15:16:35 < Ecco> How do I know which tension I am supposed to use? Does it matter much?
2015-06-22T15:16:46 < jpa-> by looking at what voltage goes to the cap
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2015-06-22T15:19:04 < Ecco> The rule being that the cap's voltage has to be greater than the input tension, right? (otherwise the cap might not support the electric field, am I correct?)
2015-06-22T15:20:00 < zyp> otherwise the cap might blow up.
2015-06-22T15:20:11 < zyp> at least if you're talking electrolytics
2015-06-22T15:21:13 < Ecco> In that case I guess it's going to be cermaic
2015-06-22T15:21:20 < Ecco> so the higher the better ?
2015-06-22T15:21:27 < Ecco> (regarding the cap's voltage)
2015-06-22T15:25:11 < zyp> you should probably look at http://www.niccomp.com/help/VoltageCoefficientofCapacitors-032012-R1.pdf
2015-06-22T15:27:53 < Ecco> Thanks
2015-06-22T15:28:14 < Ecco> (ok I figured out a more precise datasheet that hints at 16V caps. Thanks for the doc though, I'm reading it)
2015-06-22T15:31:26 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/alNJIwA.png
2015-06-22T15:31:39 < Ecco> What's the point of having two capacitors here?
2015-06-22T15:32:08 < Ecco> Wouldn't that be equal to a single 10.1 uF capacitor?
2015-06-22T15:33:06 < karlp> not entirely.
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2015-06-22T15:34:25 < zyp> no, not at all
2015-06-22T15:34:30 < karlp> Ecco: the paper zyp linked, and some others you can find will talk about why you want to do things like that.
2015-06-22T15:34:34 < zyp> they have completely different ESR
2015-06-22T15:35:03 < zyp> the essence of ESR is the speed of the capacitor, a 100nF capacitor is much faster than a 10uF capacitor
2015-06-22T15:35:13 < Ecco> gotcha
2015-06-22T15:35:23 < Ecco> yeah, ok
2015-06-22T15:35:27 < zyp> you want a small fast capacitor to take the small fast transients, and a larger slower buffer for the larger variations
2015-06-22T15:35:41 < Ecco> in *theory* two perfect capacitors in parallel are equivalent to a single perfect capcitor
2015-06-22T15:35:47 < karlp> sure
2015-06-22T15:35:50 < Ecco> but in *practice* caps have an internal resistance
2015-06-22T15:36:11 < karlp> and practice is all that matters
2015-06-22T15:36:21 < Ecco> ok, I got it. Thanks for the explanation!
2015-06-22T15:36:23 < qyx_> pra.what?
2015-06-22T15:36:51 < jpa-> zyp: but, would 100nF ceramic still be faster than 10µF ceramic?
2015-06-22T15:37:05 < zyp> wouldn't it?
2015-06-22T15:37:11 < jpa-> dunno
2015-06-22T15:37:22 < jpa-> haven't looked into ESRs lately :P
2015-06-22T15:37:28 < Ecco> so 10UuF means 10 uF, electrolytic?
2015-06-22T15:37:52 < jpa-> nah, the symbol means electrolytic
2015-06-22T15:38:15 < jpa-> no idea on the "U"
2015-06-22T15:38:19 < Ecco> So the capital U is a typo?
2015-06-22T15:38:27 < Ecco> I thought the symbol meant polar
2015-06-22T15:38:38 < zyp> hmm, F7-disco looks nice
2015-06-22T15:38:40 < Ecco> polarized
2015-06-22T15:38:46 < Ecco> zyp: is it available already?
2015-06-22T15:39:01 < Ecco> Last week someone posted pictures of one that was distributed at a seminar
2015-06-22T15:39:04 < BrainDamage> if you account for parasitic inductance too: yes, the self-resonance is the point where the Z inverts and it stops being a capacitor and it's the usual omega=1/sqrt(LC), L would be approximately dominated by the package, so as you increase C the self resonances becomes lower
2015-06-22T15:39:20 < zyp> ethernet, HS USB, sdcard
2015-06-22T15:39:55 < Ecco> BrainDamage: WAT?
2015-06-22T15:40:07 < zyp> Ecco, electrolytics are polarized, ceramics are not
2015-06-22T15:40:15 < Ecco> yeah this I read
2015-06-22T15:40:23 < BrainDamage> sorry, i was answering jpa
2015-06-22T15:40:35 < Ecco> but I thought the symbol -|(- meant polarized
2015-06-22T15:40:43 < Ecco> which, of course, happens to be electroyltics
2015-06-22T15:40:47 < zyp> correct
2015-06-22T15:40:58 < Ecco> Because I can't understand the "10UuF" notation
2015-06-22T15:41:09 < karlp> broken text encoding most likely
2015-06-22T15:41:14 < Ecco> It's in a PDF :-D
2015-06-22T15:41:19 < karlp> and?
2015-06-22T15:41:23 < karlp> people make pdfs from all sorts of places
2015-06-22T15:41:28 < Ecco> Yeah right
2015-06-22T15:41:47 < karlp> they break an image, send it to someone else running file maker, toss that into an eps, scan it on the copy machine and get emailed a pdf
2015-06-22T15:41:53 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T15:42:15 < _Sync__> karlp: best thing is, some companies require a signed invoice
2015-06-22T15:42:15 < Ecco> you forgot the broken OCR step
2015-06-22T15:42:24 < _Sync__> so you get a printed pdf
2015-06-22T15:42:24 < _Sync__> signed
2015-06-22T15:42:27 < _Sync__> and then scanned again
2015-06-22T15:42:33 < _Sync__> sometimes with fucked ocr
2015-06-22T15:42:37 < Ecco> haaaaa :-D
2015-06-22T15:42:40 < Ecco> at last :)
2015-06-22T15:42:56 < karlp> _Sync__: yeah, I've been getting emails from a gov agency here that are pdfs that are printed out, hand signed, then scanned and emailed to me.
2015-06-22T15:43:08 < _Sync__> yeah full rage
2015-06-22T15:43:21 < karlp> still better than mailing it to me,
2015-06-22T15:43:27 < karlp> or requiring me to mail it to them
2015-06-22T15:43:39 < karlp> they're accepting plain email to them, this is only coming on the return path
2015-06-22T15:43:41 < karlp> rather odd.
2015-06-22T15:43:47 < karlp> but hey, "jobs for the countryside!"
2015-06-22T15:44:06 < karlp> we moved this particular goverment agency to a small town. I'm sure it's just some busy work bullshit policy
2015-06-22T15:45:07 < Ecco> May I ask what country?
2015-06-22T15:47:25 < zyp> so, what's you guys' favorite serial flash chip?
2015-06-22T15:47:59 < jpa-> at what size?
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2015-06-22T15:51:15 < zyp> couple megs, I guess
2015-06-22T15:51:23 < zyp> idk, what's popular sizes?
2015-06-22T15:52:32 < jpa-> i've used M25PE16 for 16Mbit
2015-06-22T15:52:47 < jpa-> slowish to write but seems pretty common and compatible with similar 8-pin 16Mbit chips from other vendors
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2015-06-22T15:53:30 < Taxman> jpa-: And in near future quad-spi with F7 ;)
2015-06-22T15:53:50 < zyp> not interested in qspi in this case
2015-06-22T15:54:42 < jpa-> Taxman: well, with that chip the transfer speed is not the limit
2015-06-22T15:54:46 < jpa-> atleast for write
2015-06-22T15:54:51 < Ecco> I'm sorry to bother you guys with capacitors again. I'm still confused with the voltage. I understand caps are rated for a maximum voltage. Is there a point in choosing a lower "max voltage" then? Are they cheapers?
2015-06-22T15:55:04 < jpa-> sometimes yes
2015-06-22T15:55:12 < jpa-> sometimes no
2015-06-22T15:55:14 < zyp> might be cheaper, smaller and/or faster
2015-06-22T15:55:20 < Ecco> oh, ok
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2015-06-22T15:55:45 < Ecco> thanks :)
2015-06-22T15:56:55 < Ecco> Weird, CircuitMaker gives me a -||- symbol for a tantalum capacitor. Aren't thoses suppsoed to be polarized?
2015-06-22T15:57:05 < Ecco> (I was expecting a -|(-)
2015-06-22T15:57:49 < karlp> why not a --+||--- ?
2015-06-22T15:58:00 < karlp> or a ---|I--- ?
2015-06-22T15:58:23 < Ecco> I don't know :) But At least I was expecting something assymetric
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2015-06-22T16:44:24 < Ecco> Altium question: I'm making a breakout board. Reordering the pins on my header would make routing tremendously easier. Is there an easy way to do this?
2015-06-22T16:46:22 < jadew> dongs might know, but I don't see how it could get simpler than deleting the old traces and re-doing them
2015-06-22T16:46:52 < Ecco> Well, thing is the traces have to be made according to the schematics
2015-06-22T16:47:02 < Ecco> otherwise Altium will complain (rightfully)
2015-06-22T16:47:07 < jadew> after you redo the pin connections in the schematic and import the new netlist in the PCB tool, it should show you which traces are wrongly connected
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2015-06-22T16:47:18 < Ecco> yeah, that's right
2015-06-22T16:47:35 < Ecco> But it's tedious:
2015-06-22T16:47:43 < Ecco> 1/ In PCB, see what new pin assignment would be easier
2015-06-22T16:47:44 < jadew> so how do you see this going?
2015-06-22T16:47:50 < Ecco> 2/ Jump over to schematics
2015-06-22T16:47:57 < Ecco> 3/ swap two pins
2015-06-22T16:48:01 < Ecco> 4/ Go back to 1
2015-06-22T16:48:11 < Ecco> I thought maybe altium could let me swap pins right in the PCB
2015-06-22T16:48:20 < Ecco> without having to go back to the schematics
2015-06-22T16:48:22 < jadew> where's the part about making new traces?
2015-06-22T16:48:41 < jadew> and I don't see why you have to go back to the schematic
2015-06-22T16:48:49 < Ecco> I'm probably doing things wrong :)
2015-06-22T16:48:56 < jadew> it should show you the ratsnest
2015-06-22T16:49:17 < Ecco> Let me explain it better
2015-06-22T16:49:17 < jadew> you make your changes on the schematic, update the PCB
2015-06-22T16:49:24 < jadew> delete the bad traces, make new ones
2015-06-22T16:49:25 < jadew> easy
2015-06-22T16:49:43 < Ecco> yeah
2015-06-22T16:49:54 < Ecco> but I have to go back and forth between the PCB and schematics
2015-06-22T16:50:06 < Ecco> because it's on the PCB that I can tell which swapping would make things easier
2015-06-22T16:50:07 < jadew> why?
2015-06-22T16:50:17 < Ecco> and its in the schematics that I can actually do the swapping
2015-06-22T16:51:06 < jadew> it's not that hard
2015-06-22T16:51:14 < Ecco> No it's not hard :)
2015-06-22T16:51:15 < Ecco> It's tedious
2015-06-22T16:51:25 < Ecco> and I was wondering if there was't something automatic
2015-06-22T16:51:33 < Ecco> (there's a "pin swapping" button that I can't get to work)
2015-06-22T16:51:34 < jadew> ctrl + tab, 3 clicks later you swapped 2 pins and imported the changes to the PCB
2015-06-22T16:52:14 < Ecco> In that case, do I have to redraw the schematic, or is there a shortcut to swap two pins (just on the schematics)
2015-06-22T16:52:24 < jadew> you don't have to redraw
2015-06-22T16:52:40 < jadew> unless you draw it 70's style
2015-06-22T16:52:48 < Ecco> Hmm, I probably do :-D
2015-06-22T16:52:59 < jadew> use labels
2015-06-22T16:53:08 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/11X3yeN.png
2015-06-22T16:53:20 < jadew> yeah, not like that
2015-06-22T16:53:23 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T16:53:28 < Ecco> ok, so net labels?
2015-06-22T16:53:33 < jadew> yes
2015-06-22T16:53:37 < jadew> then you just move them around
2015-06-22T16:53:42 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-22T16:53:43 < jadew> -| D0
2015-06-22T16:54:12 < jadew> I don't remember what they're called in altium
2015-06-22T16:54:20 < jadew> but that's the symbol: -|
2015-06-22T16:54:25 < Ecco> net label
2015-06-22T16:54:42 < jadew> it looks like VCC
2015-06-22T16:54:56 < jadew> I know they have something where you can click on a wire and give it a name
2015-06-22T16:55:02 < jadew> it's not that
2015-06-22T16:55:28 < Ecco> Well, I thought that was what net label did
2015-06-22T16:55:36 < jadew> well, yeah
2015-06-22T16:55:46 < jadew> but there's a tool you can use to name a particular wire
2015-06-22T16:55:59 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T16:56:01 < jadew> and there's that thing that looks like the VCC sign
2015-06-22T16:56:06 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T16:56:09 < Ecco> I'll look for this :)
2015-06-22T16:56:40 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-06-22T16:56:43 < Ecco> Apparently
2015-06-22T16:56:53 < Ecco> there's support for swapping right on the PCB
2015-06-22T16:56:56 < Ecco> https://www.dmcinfo.com/latest-thinking/blog/id/1230/exploring-altium-pin-swapping
2015-06-22T16:57:07 < Ecco> My pins don't highlight though :(
2015-06-22T16:57:24 < Ecco> yay
2015-06-22T16:57:27 < Ecco> it just worked
2015-06-22T16:57:29 < jadew> neat
2015-06-22T16:57:33 < Ecco> I have no idea what I toggled though :-D
2015-06-22T16:57:35 < jadew> did it redraw it too?
2015-06-22T16:57:41 < jadew> (on the schematic)
2015-06-22T16:59:28 < Ecco> Humm
2015-06-22T16:59:29 < Ecco> Weird
2015-06-22T16:59:30 < Ecco> no
2015-06-22T16:59:37 < jadew> maybe you need labels
2015-06-22T16:59:49 < Ecco> It did update the "hints" on the PCB (you know, the gray lines that tell you what you're supposed to route to)
2015-06-22T17:00:18 < Ecco> Oh ok
2015-06-22T17:00:26 < Ecco> You have to click a button to import swaps back to the schematics
2015-06-22T17:00:27 < jadew> did you push the changes back to the schematic?
2015-06-22T17:00:35 < Ecco> Exactly what I forgot
2015-06-22T17:00:39 < Ecco> and then it works just fine :)
2015-06-22T17:00:44 < jadew> neat
2015-06-22T17:00:56 < Ecco> (you don't have to redraw anything, the header symbol has its pins swapped)
2015-06-22T17:01:00 < jadew> so what happens to the schematic?
2015-06-22T17:01:05 < jadew> ah
2015-06-22T17:01:07 < jadew> I see
2015-06-22T17:01:10 < Ecco> It's convenient
2015-06-22T17:01:17 < jadew> mmm
2015-06-22T17:01:20 < jadew> not sure I'd like that
2015-06-22T17:01:24 < Ecco> Sure the pins aren't in the right order
2015-06-22T17:01:26 < PeterM> ecco you cna't re-route on the pcb then back import to the schematic because there is no "schematic auto router" because youy'd end up wiht ugly as fuck schematics
2015-06-22T17:01:42 < Ecco> Makes sense
2015-06-22T17:01:42 < zyp> I prefer moving the port connectors rather than reordering the pins
2015-06-22T17:01:54 < Ecco> Well, my schematics are already ugly
2015-06-22T17:01:58 < zyp> takes a bit more time, but keeps the schematic readable
2015-06-22T17:02:02 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-22T17:02:20 < Ecco> Interesting feature though
2015-06-22T17:02:24 < Ecco> I think I'm going to use it for now
2015-06-22T17:02:25 < jadew> yeah
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2015-06-22T17:24:42 < Ecco> Shit
2015-06-22T17:24:51 < Ecco> I forgot Vcc and GND on my connector :-D
2015-06-22T17:27:03 < Cyric> lol
2015-06-22T17:27:33 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-06-22T17:32:55 < Ecco> Meh
2015-06-22T17:33:00 < Ecco> Fixing this was way too easy
2015-06-22T17:33:05 < Ecco> I thought I'd be punished :-D
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2015-06-22T18:10:22 < jjack> HI all
2015-06-22T18:11:30 < jjack> someone can help me with stm32f207VE
2015-06-22T18:12:13 < zyp> what do you need help with?
2015-06-22T18:12:52 < jjack> sorry I try tomorrow
2015-06-22T18:12:55 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T18:12:57 < Ecco> Ok :)
2015-06-22T18:13:01 < jjack> now I have proble
2015-06-22T18:13:06 < jjack> tks
2015-06-22T18:13:09 < Ecco> I remember having a nice conversation with you guys about PCB factories
2015-06-22T18:13:10 < jjack> bye
2015-06-22T18:13:15 < Ecco> you mentioned shenzhen2u.com
2015-06-22T18:13:21 < Ecco> and don't remember the others
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2015-06-22T18:18:13 < Tectu> most likely somebody also mentioned seeestudio.com (fusion service or something it's called)
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2015-06-22T18:18:31 < Tectu> there's also http://smart-prototyping.com/
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2015-06-22T18:22:26 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T18:22:35 < Ecco> There's also dirtypcb.com
2015-06-22T18:22:47 < Ecco> pcbs
2015-06-22T18:23:02 < Tectu> is that link nsfw? :P
2015-06-22T18:23:23 < Ecco> No, you're mixing it up with naughtypcbs.com
2015-06-22T18:24:07 < Tectu> oh, that was it
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2015-06-22T18:41:07 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/ottcOwZ.png -> What do you guys think?
2015-06-22T18:42:25 < scrts_w> small graphical display breakout?
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2015-06-22T18:42:34 < Ecco> Well done
2015-06-22T18:42:52 < Ecco> I should have asked my question differently though
2015-06-22T18:43:09 < zyp> three different capacitor footprints?
2015-06-22T18:43:13 < Ecco> "Hey, this is the first PCB I've designed that I plan to get built. Do you guys see anything off?"
2015-06-22T18:43:31 < scrts_w> I'd put 2x10 pins instead of 2x9 pins header and add more grounds for return paths
2015-06-22T18:43:44 < PeterM> got any plans for mounting holes?
2015-06-22T18:44:24 < Ecco> zyp: Yeah, is that annoying? I have to purchase them anyway…
2015-06-22T18:44:28 < yan_> Ecco: i'd move the components higher so you don't have to awkwardly route around them
2015-06-22T18:44:53 < zyp> Ecco, seems kinda pointless
2015-06-22T18:45:05 < yan_> i.e. rotate the line of capacitors 90 degrees and put them on top
2015-06-22T18:45:15 < Ecco> yan_: You have a good point. I tried to make the PCB more compact
2015-06-22T18:45:39 < yan_> Ecco: i mean it's still bigger than it needs to be.. you can make it smaller and neater if you move them
2015-06-22T18:45:40 < Ecco> scrts_w: Why would 10x2 be better?
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2015-06-22T18:46:21 < Ecco> PeterM: Well, I haven't planned for any mounting holes. Should I?
2015-06-22T18:46:49 < zyp> only if you're going to mount it
2015-06-22T18:46:52 < PeterM> dunno, up to you
2015-06-22T18:47:16 < Ecco> Also, it's currently 3cm x 3cm
2015-06-22T18:47:36 < Ecco> And all those cheap-ass PCB factories have a minimal size of 5cmx5cm
2015-06-22T18:47:39 < PeterM> is the cable going into a socket or is it going to be hotbar sodlered?
2015-06-22T18:47:48 < Ecco> PeterM: very good question
2015-06-22T18:47:54 < Ecco> In theory it should be hotbar soldered
2015-06-22T18:48:02 < scrts_w> Ecco: you only have 1 ground wire, which is on the side of the header
2015-06-22T18:48:12 < scrts_w> you probably want it at least to be in the middle if possible
2015-06-22T18:48:16 < scrts_w> but better - more grounds
2015-06-22T18:48:18 < yan_> is there a way to make a timer count without toggling a pin? i'm just trying to get an intra-second offset from the LSE
2015-06-22T18:48:19 < Ecco> scrts_w: There's one in the middle :)
2015-06-22T18:48:27 < scrts_w> all wires now have a single current return path
2015-06-22T18:48:35 < PeterM> if its hotbar sodlered i suggest you extend the board under the direction of the incomming cable so you can putsome  double sided tape to hold it down after soldering to reduce strain on the joins
2015-06-22T18:48:40 < yan_> Ecco: oshpark.com, no minimum size, really cheap for small boards and high quality
2015-06-22T18:48:49 < scrts_w> Ecco: I am talking about J1
2015-06-22T18:48:50 < Ecco> yan_: Thanks !!
2015-06-22T18:48:51 < scrts_w> or I am blind?
2015-06-22T18:49:12 < Ecco> scrts_w: Oh no you're right. There's a single ground path to J1
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2015-06-22T18:49:43 < Ecco> This I can fix easily, I just have to move some paths down and let the polyfill do its job
2015-06-22T18:49:49 < Ecco> polygon pour sorry
2015-06-22T18:49:57 < Ecco> PeterM: thanks for the suggestion
2015-06-22T18:50:12 < Ecco> By the way, how am I supposed to work this at the prototype stage?
2015-06-22T18:50:13 < scrts_w> you also want to have lower capacitance capacitors closer to the load
2015-06-22T18:50:22 < scrts_w> I mean the lower the capacitance, the closer to the load
2015-06-22T18:50:28 < Ecco> scrts_w: ok
2015-06-22T18:50:30 < scrts_w> in this case - it won't matter
2015-06-22T18:50:35 < Ecco> Aren't they pretty close already?
2015-06-22T18:50:36 < scrts_w> in general it's a rule
2015-06-22T18:50:37 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T18:50:40 < Ecco> Thanks :)
2015-06-22T18:50:47 < yan_> Ecco: three units of a custom two layer 3cm x 3cm board  is going to cost you ~$7 from oshpark
2015-06-22T18:50:54 < Ecco> Nice
2015-06-22T18:50:56 < yan_> that's shipping included
2015-06-22T18:51:00 < PeterM> also on j1 is that going to be a socket or a pin header?
2015-06-22T18:51:01 < Ecco> oh wow
2015-06-22T18:51:01 < Ecco> nice
2015-06-22T18:51:04 < yan_> to us at least
2015-06-22T18:51:07 < Ecco> pin header
2015-06-22T18:51:12 < Ecco> ha crap
2015-06-22T18:51:13 < Ecco> I'm in EU
2015-06-22T18:51:34 < scrts_w> 7USD is not taxable anyway
2015-06-22T18:51:44 < yan_> it might be shipped to EU too, i don't know, look into it
2015-06-22T18:51:49 < Ecco> will do
2015-06-22T18:52:06 < Ecco> thanks for the link
2015-06-22T18:52:07 < PeterM> what purpose is the pin header? is it board to board, or board to cable?
2015-06-22T18:52:17 < yan_> yeah free normal shipping to europe too
2015-06-22T18:52:32 < Ecco> PeterM: I don't really know at that point :)
2015-06-22T18:52:54 < Ecco> I'll start using it with 429-Disco first
2015-06-22T18:53:20 < Ecco> Probably via a breadboard to configure the LCD (you have to set some pins high and some lows depending on the mode you're interested in)
2015-06-22T18:53:33 < Ecco> Regarding the connector
2015-06-22T18:53:38 < Ecco> It is supposed to be hotbar soldered
2015-06-22T18:53:53 < Ecco> *but* I have no idea how to do it manually (with a soldering iron I mean)
2015-06-22T18:53:59 < yan_> hm, if i'm using a timer as a counter (stm32L151), can i just use it to count+read back values without actually toggling a pin?
2015-06-22T18:54:01 < Ecco> I wish I could use a SMD connector
2015-06-22T18:54:16 < Ecco> but the pitch is 0.9mm :-S
2015-06-22T18:54:18 < zyp> Ecco, why not do solder bridges for the config lines, rather than bringing them out as pins?
2015-06-22T18:54:35 < yan_> is that a OLED breakout?
2015-06-22T18:54:41 < Ecco> yan_: Nope, regular LCD
2015-06-22T18:54:54 < yan_> you can't just drag solder it?
2015-06-22T18:54:55 < Ecco> zyp: I thought that this way I could change the configuration easily
2015-06-22T18:55:07 < Ecco> yan_: Yeah maybe I can. I've never done it :)
2015-06-22T18:55:18 < zyp> Ecco, yes, solder bridges are easy
2015-06-22T18:55:23 < Ecco> That's what I'm planning to do anyway, I don't have any other option
2015-06-22T18:55:23 < yan_> Ecco: oh, it's easy. add flux, tin the pads, then just drag. clean up with wick
2015-06-22T18:55:33 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-22T18:55:57 < Ecco> zyp: Oh, you mean that I expose "pads" that can be shortened (and reopened) by adding some solder ?
2015-06-22T18:56:47 < zyp> Ecco, yes, adding/removing blobs of solder results in less time spent than mucking around with a breadboard
2015-06-22T18:56:59 < Ecco> hmm, interesting
2015-06-22T18:57:16 < Ecco> Thing is, it has to be either grounded or pulled up
2015-06-22T18:57:27 < zyp> yep
2015-06-22T18:57:32 < Ecco> So if I fuck things up I'll kill my power supply
2015-06-22T18:57:43 < Ecco> well, I can fuck things up with a breadboard as well…
2015-06-22T18:57:57 < zyp> so you make a pad in the middle, with a ground pad on one side and a vcc pad on the other side
2015-06-22T18:58:03 < zyp> and connect it to either of those
2015-06-22T18:58:07 < Ecco> Oh, ok
2015-06-22T18:58:28 < Ecco> That's interesting
2015-06-22T18:58:46 < Ecco> Thanks for the very interesting feedback guys
2015-06-22T19:00:08 < zyp> you said you have a discovery board
2015-06-22T19:00:21 < zyp> take a look at the SB-marked pads on the bottom of those, those are solder bridges
2015-06-22T19:00:51 < zyp> usually when machine assembled, they are shorted with 0ohm resistors, rather than just blobs of solder
2015-06-22T19:01:17 < Ecco> Yeah, I had seen them on the disco :)
2015-06-22T19:01:21 < Ecco> Why the 0ohm though?
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2015-06-22T19:01:48 < Ecco> Also, when in production (except on a protoboard like the disco) it seems pretty useless to add solderable bridges
2015-06-22T19:02:12 < zyp> because during machine assembly, you already have a machine that can place parts across two pads, you don't have a machine that can deposit a large enough blob of solder to short out two pads
2015-06-22T19:02:23 < Ecco> makes sense :)
2015-06-22T19:02:32 < Lux> can someone point me to a working example project for an stm32f4 with gcc and a makefile ?
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2015-06-22T19:02:49 < Ecco> Lux: sure
2015-06-22T19:03:05 < Ecco> I can also help, I've been setting this up manually for the last few weeks
2015-06-22T19:03:13 < zyp> Ecco, solder bridges is useful on any board where you might want to make or break connections after the pcb is manufactured
2015-06-22T19:03:23 < zyp> consider different assembly variants, for instance
2015-06-22T19:03:40 < Ecco> Oh, I see
2015-06-22T19:03:47 < Ecco> Lux: For example, https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3
2015-06-22T19:03:58 < Ecco> (not the best example IMHO, but it does what you're asking for)
2015-06-22T19:04:04 < Ecco> What are you struggling with at the moment?
2015-06-22T19:04:16 < BrainDamage> nah, they are room temperature superconductors in a handy smd package
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2015-06-22T19:04:40 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T19:04:56 < zyp> BrainDamage, hah
2015-06-22T19:05:01 < Lux> i was rather looking for something with the std peripheral lib
2015-06-22T19:05:05 < Lux> but thanks
2015-06-22T19:05:12 < Ecco> You mean the "Cube" thing?
2015-06-22T19:05:18 < Ecco> You don't wanna use it
2015-06-22T19:05:23 < Ecco> Well, at least I didn't :-D
2015-06-22T19:05:27 < Lux> no, the one before
2015-06-22T19:07:44 < Lux> imo that stuff is ok and does what i want it to do
2015-06-22T19:08:00 < Ecco> perfect then :)
2015-06-22T19:08:21 < Lux> i just want to switch from keil to something else
2015-06-22T19:08:28 < Ecco> Understandable
2015-06-22T19:08:42 < Lux> which is really nice, if it werent for the pricetag
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2015-06-22T19:21:55 < Ecco> Where do I input "minimal drill size" and "minimul anular ring" in Altium/CircuitMaker?
2015-06-22T19:22:40 < zyp> via design rules
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2015-06-22T19:51:32 < Ecco> yeah, but where ? :-D
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2015-06-22T19:51:53 < gxti> in the design rules
2015-06-22T19:52:01 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T19:52:02 < gxti> the ones that say 'annular ring' and 'drill size'
2015-06-22T19:52:25 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/eWo4uLk.png
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2015-06-22T20:38:55 < Ecco> Meh
2015-06-22T20:39:11 < Ecco> For some reason, Altium CircuitMaker won't let me export a Gerber outline
2015-06-22T20:40:03 < gxti> is there a "Create primitives from board outline"? drop that on the keepout layer and you've got an outline
2015-06-22T20:40:08 < gxti> otherwise just draw it yourself
2015-06-22T20:40:21 < Ecco> Well, thing is I did draw the board outline
2015-06-22T20:40:30 < Ecco> It does show just fine in the 3D view for example
2015-06-22T20:40:52 < gxti> yeah but unless something changed from AD, it won't directly export gerbers of the board otline
2015-06-22T20:41:03 < gxti> i think there's an option to *add* board outlines to every layer when you export it, but that's not what you want
2015-06-22T20:41:20 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T20:41:36 < Ecco> I think you're indeed spot-on
2015-06-22T20:41:46 < Ecco> Where should I find the "create primitives from baord outline" option?
2015-06-22T20:42:08 < gxti> circuitmaker changed all the menus for no reason so i don't know. in AD it was "design -> board outline" i think.
2015-06-22T20:42:13 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T20:42:26 < Ecco> So it's not in the context of the gerber exporter, right?
2015-06-22T20:42:30 < gxti> no
2015-06-22T20:42:32 < gxti> pcb view
2015-06-22T20:42:57 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-22T20:46:55 < Ecco> Hmm, I can't find it :-)
2015-06-22T20:49:02 < gxti> dunno lol
2015-06-22T20:49:51 < Ecco> Ha got it !
2015-06-22T20:50:26 < Ecco> Thanks!
2015-06-22T21:00:24 < Ecco> Yay, I ordered my first PCB!
2015-06-22T21:03:27 < yan_> Ecco: from which supplier?
2015-06-22T21:08:52 < Ecco> oshpark
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2015-06-22T21:09:06 < Ecco> Cheapest I found ($7, shipping included)
2015-06-22T21:09:17 < Rickta59> must be a micro pcb
2015-06-22T21:09:24 < Ecco> It is indeed very small
2015-06-22T21:09:26 < Ecco> 3cm x 3cm
2015-06-22T21:09:33 < Ecco> Rickta59: Any better recommendation?
2015-06-22T21:09:34 < yan_> hah i estimated shipping exactly right above ;P
2015-06-22T21:09:50 < Ecco> Their online process is very smooth
2015-06-22T21:10:06 < Rickta59> i think you will be happy with it
2015-06-22T21:10:13 < Ecco> Hopefully
2015-06-22T21:10:15 < Rickta59> just they aren't the cheapest ..
2015-06-22T21:10:19 < Ecco> Unless I fucked something
2015-06-22T21:10:23 < Rickta59> but at that size .. maybe
2015-06-22T21:10:27 < Ecco> Rickta59: Which one would be?
2015-06-22T21:10:31 < Ecco> (for a larger size)
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2015-06-22T21:10:48 < Rickta59> there are a gaggle of china pcb houses that are cheap
2015-06-22T21:10:55 < yan_> Rickta59: it's hard to beat osh for small boards.. i usually get mine within like a week
2015-06-22T21:10:58 < Ecco> yeah, I kinda like dirtypcbs.com
2015-06-22T21:11:13 < yan_> at a pretty high quality
2015-06-22T21:11:27 < Rickta59> oshpark boards are really nice
2015-06-22T21:11:34 < Ecco> great
2015-06-22T21:13:07 < Steffanx> when you like purple :P
2015-06-22T21:14:03 < Rickta59> they certainly have locked up the color purple, recognized in a second
2015-06-22T21:14:44 < Steffanx> does circuitmaker do 4 layer pcbs btw?
2015-06-22T21:15:50 < Ecco> Sure
2015-06-22T21:16:22 < Rickta59> /dev/cu.usbmodemBDD2B9E1What are CircuitMaker's design limitations?
2015-06-22T21:16:28 < Rickta59> Essentially, there are no limitations to CircuitMaker (aside from your imagination!). So there are no limits on layers used, size of board, number of components, or number of nets.
2015-06-22T21:16:28 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-22T21:16:37 < yan_> Steffanx: i don't think circuitmaker has any physical limitations, just that you can't save a file lolcally
2015-06-22T21:16:38 < Ecco> I guess there's no limitation on the number of layers
2015-06-22T21:16:42 < yan_> locally heh. locally
2015-06-22T21:16:46 < Ecco> Yeah, pretty much
2015-06-22T21:16:53 < Steffanx> hm, ok.
2015-06-22T21:17:00 < Ecco> The only limitation is "you cannot move multiple layers simultaneously"
2015-06-22T21:17:00 < yan_> it also has a slightly different UI from what i remember than AD
2015-06-22T21:17:13 < Ecco> You also cannot customize shortcuts for example
2015-06-22T21:17:14 < Rickta59> that was a badly pasted quote from the FAQ
2015-06-22T21:17:17 < Ecco> the UI is slightly different
2015-06-22T21:17:24 < Steffanx> have no real experience with altium so, im not "biased"
2015-06-22T21:17:40 < Ecco> To be honest, I like it, even though I have to run a VM just for it
2015-06-22T21:17:50 < yan_> shrug, me neither.. i had to pick an EDA a few months ago, ended up going with kicad after messing with Eagle
2015-06-22T21:17:55 < Steffanx> yeah, have to do that too unfortunately
2015-06-22T21:18:02 < yan_> latest builds of kicad have been really great to use to be honest
2015-06-22T21:18:23 < Steffanx> kikad is slowish on os x ( for me at least)
2015-06-22T21:18:43 < Steffanx> moving around in the schematic editor with ~3-5fps is annoying.
2015-06-22T21:18:53 < yan_> Steffanx: it is for me too, but if you use the opengl layout mode, it's great
2015-06-22T21:18:57 < yan_> schematic editor sucks
2015-06-22T21:18:59 < yan_> but it's usable
2015-06-22T21:19:21 < Steffanx> it annoys me so much i don't consider it usable
2015-06-22T21:19:47 < yan_> Steffanx: i'd love to be able to use altium, but i didn't want to invest in a 9k/seat package
2015-06-22T21:19:52 < yan_> and i want my project to be open eventually
2015-06-22T21:21:30 < Steffanx> maybe is should try to build a newer version of kicad
2015-06-22T21:22:00 < Ecco> yan_: CircuitMaker would make sense
2015-06-22T21:23:01 < Steffanx> oh, i see someone does nightly builds for kicad now, no need to rebuild
2015-06-22T21:25:34 < yan_> yeah, os x builds.. i update it once a week and it gets consistently better
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2015-06-22T21:35:36 < yan_> btw, is there a way to somehow test the precision of the LSE crystal? i am pretty sure i got the loading caps correct, but am concerned that it won't be very accurate
2015-06-22T21:36:11 < zyp> why wouldn't it be?
2015-06-22T21:36:29 < yan_> zyp: if i picked incorrect loading cap values
2015-06-22T21:36:36 < zyp> as long as you got the loading right, it should be as accurate as the crystal spec says
2015-06-22T21:36:56 < zyp> well, testing it is easy
2015-06-22T21:37:14 < zyp> just count the number of cycles over a given time period
2015-06-22T21:37:29 < yan_> can i expose it as a clock on an IO pin or something?
2015-06-22T21:37:54 < zyp> hmm, I guess that might be one of the options for MCO maybe
2015-06-22T21:38:07 < zyp> otherwise you can run an internal timer from it, I guess
2015-06-22T21:38:33 < zyp> with output compare, you can output a divided down clock based on the LSE
2015-06-22T21:39:14 < yan_> i tried putting a scope to one of the pins, but quickly realized that's a no go
2015-06-22T21:39:24 < yan_> you mean hook up a timer that's divided by LSE and use a scope to measure that frequency
2015-06-22T21:39:39 < gxti> i don't think you can hook timers to LSE. check if MCO will do it, otherwise use software
2015-06-22T21:39:48 < zyp> gxti, you can't?
2015-06-22T21:39:52 < zyp> which chip is this?
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2015-06-22T21:40:06 < gxti> just going off memory, i could be wrong
2015-06-22T21:40:34 < yan_> gxti: i thought i saw in the spec that you can feed a few timers from the LSE
2015-06-22T21:41:05 < gxti> in that case seems straightforward
2015-06-22T21:42:20 < yan_> 'These timers are based on a 16-bit auto-reload up-counter and a 16-bit prescaler. They include a 16-bit prescaler. TIM10 and TIM11 feature one independent channel, whereas TIM9 has two independent channels for input capture/output compare, PWM or one-pulse mode output. They can be synchronized with the TIM2, TIM3, TIM4 full-featured generalpurpose timers.  They can also be used as simple time bases and be clocked by the LSE clock source (32.768 kHz) to provide ti
2015-06-22T21:42:28 < yan_> '
2015-06-22T21:49:01 < karlp> yan_: there's an app note about using timers to check crystals
2015-06-22T21:49:22 < karlp> I think it's particularly about using hsi to measure hse and vice versa, but you could apply most of it to measuring lsi/lse too
2015-06-22T21:58:15 < karlp> anyone have something cool for measuring low currents? is there something better than the eevlboggle ucurrent thing?
2015-06-22T22:00:12 < yan_> karlp: heh i had the exact same question like two hours ago in #electronics
2015-06-22T22:00:14 < yan_> no one answered
2015-06-22T22:01:20 < karlp> heh, something like this pacakged up might be alright... http://blog.hekkers.net/2015/03/12/a-simple-current-sensor-visualization-app/
2015-06-22T22:02:48 < yan_> karlp: way lower res than a ucurrent though
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2015-06-22T22:11:19 < upgrdman_> with a common-mode choke, the inductors are wound in the same direction, right? like the "dots" on the symbol would be on the same end, right?
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2015-06-22T22:50:13 < Rickta59> https://code.google.com/p/powerscope/ I think some people use that for low current measurement
2015-06-22T22:51:20 < Rickta59> @karlp and @yan_
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2015-06-22T23:05:13 < yan_> Rickta59: not bad, $28 bom cost
2015-06-22T23:05:22 < yan_> and looks like it's accurate enough
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2015-06-22T23:17:03 < Steffanx> talking about recognizable oshpark pcbs .. Rickta59 :P
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2015-06-22T23:34:55 < MrMobius> is there no way to write an 8 or 16 bit value to a port at once?
2015-06-22T23:35:20 < Fleck> there is!
2015-06-22T23:36:03 < MrMobius> cool
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2015-06-22T23:36:09 < MrMobius> what should i be searching for?
2015-06-22T23:36:30 < Fleck> well, there is output port register - just write value to it
2015-06-22T23:40:11 < Fleck> search for gpio in reference manual! :)
2015-06-22T23:40:53 < Fleck> MrMobius: btw, which MCU?
2015-06-22T23:41:29 < MrMobius> Fleck, F429
2015-06-22T23:41:49 < MrMobius> I can see how to turn on individual pins but i was trying to turn on 16 of them at once
2015-06-22T23:42:32 < Fleck> register is just like variable ... just assign value
2015-06-22T23:50:31 < Fleck> MrMobius: how do you turn on single pin?
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2015-06-23T00:01:39 < Fleck> MrMobius: GPIOA->ODR |= 31; << will set first 5 pins for example...
2015-06-23T00:02:07 < Fleck> be careful while using ODR and interrupts
2015-06-23T00:02:38 < Fleck> for atomic bit set/reset use BSRR register
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2015-06-23T00:34:06 < Taxman> MrMorbius: you can set with GPIOx->BSRRL = 0x.... 16 bits at once
2015-06-23T00:34:39 < Taxman> are your 16 gpio pins all at one port?
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2015-06-23T01:16:52 < karlp> I wonder if it's feasible to reuse the portions of the l1 and l0 disco for doing power measurement of external parts
2015-06-23T01:17:35 < Laurenceb__> all the power stuff is under the LCD
2015-06-23T01:21:42 < karlp> too lazy to get into the schematics
2015-06-23T01:22:06 < karlp> there's a kinetis M series with all the metrology stuff and usbmake another one
2015-06-23T01:22:10 < karlp> stupid hardware
2015-06-23T01:22:17 < karlp> only stalling on fixing my software problems anyway
2015-06-23T01:30:29 < zyp> heh
2015-06-23T01:35:00 < zyp> karlp, looking at your laks changes now, you just made me realize I've got both rcc/syscfg.h and syscfg/syscfg.h
2015-06-23T01:35:24 < zyp> that's an oversight on my part
2015-06-23T01:36:08 < zyp> is the L1 syscfg identical to the F4 syscfg? I see you're just adding a different base addr
2015-06-23T01:40:10 < zyp> also, I'd rather you based it on the master branch and not the M0 branch
2015-06-23T01:40:40 < zyp> main reason M0 branch is kept separate for now is that the context switch is not compatible with M0, and thereby disabled
2015-06-23T01:40:52 < zyp> and I'd rather not merge that to master yet
2015-06-23T01:41:17 < karlp> yeah, I did notice you had two syscfg, meant to mention it to you :)
2015-06-23T01:41:50 < karlp> I think I went  with the m0 branch as it has more parts defined, but sure, I can rebase it on master, no problem
2015-06-23T01:42:11 < zyp> well, syscfg/syscfg.h is also new in the M0 branch, so I'll keep in mind to merge it with rcc/syscfg.h before that goes into master
2015-06-23T01:42:48 < zyp> looks good otherwise
2015-06-23T01:46:16 < zyp> I should get some work into cleaning up the code soon
2015-06-23T01:47:57 < zyp> maybe that's how I should pass the time next week when I'm stuck 11 hours on a flight
2015-06-23T01:48:15 < zyp> judging by past flights, dicking around with code is an excellent way to pass time
2015-06-23T01:49:34 < zyp> otherwise I'm also tempted to waste time by writing a dynamic linker
2015-06-23T01:49:51 < zyp> or something
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2015-06-23T02:14:45 < dongs> Ecco: late reply but uh, just move around the net names.
2015-06-23T02:14:57 < dongs> to pinswap stuff.
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2015-06-23T02:26:49 < Laurenceb__> http://cdn.klimg.com/merdeka.com/i/w/photonews/2014/04/25/357371/640x320/20140425210800-airbus-luncurkan-pesawat-listrik-e-fan-20-002-isn.jpg
2015-06-23T02:30:48 < dongs> BAD GATEWAY
2015-06-23T02:30:56 < emeb> dongs: Snaphat battery arrived - E4402B is happy again.
2015-06-23T02:31:01 < dongs> sweet
2015-06-23T02:31:10 < dongs> wow
2015-06-23T02:31:15 < dongs> 5% off and free shipping from verical
2015-06-23T02:31:39 < dongs> and they got rid of per-line surcharge few months ago
2015-06-23T02:31:48 < dongs> now i just gotta figure out waht i want from them
2015-06-23T02:32:50 < emeb> buy all the things!
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2015-06-23T02:35:18 < emeb> oh - min order $399
2015-06-23T02:35:41 < dongs> for 5%?
2015-06-23T02:35:44 < emeb> ya
2015-06-23T02:35:48 < emeb> pros only
2015-06-23T02:35:55 < dongs> thats easy
2015-06-23T02:36:04 < dongs> last time I bought some ASI stuff from them it was easily over that
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2015-06-23T02:36:44 < emeb> no surprise. asi ain't cheap.
2015-06-23T02:40:03 < upgrdman_> is asi a brand?
2015-06-23T02:47:07 < dongs> upgrdman_: video serializer stuff
2015-06-23T02:47:14 < dongs> like 3G-SDI etc
2015-06-23T02:47:21 < dongs> yea for some reason that shit is rich
2015-06-23T02:49:10 < dongs> cable equalizers is another scam
2015-06-23T02:49:15 < dongs> 16pin is, $10 plz
2015-06-23T02:49:18 < dongs> is=ic
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2015-06-23T03:14:37 < emeb> super dumb because most ethernet phys have equivalent stuff in 'em and they sell for pennies.
2015-06-23T03:14:59 < dongs> huhuhu
2015-06-23T03:15:01 < emeb> guess it's just market size
2015-06-23T03:15:07 < dongs> yea
2015-06-23T03:15:46 < emeb> lol - ran the analyzer alignment with a bad cable.
2015-06-23T03:15:51 < upgrdman_> so what exactly does a video serializer do? take a parallel interface and just turn it into a higher-speed 1-bit-wide signal?
2015-06-23T03:16:10 < upgrdman_> im guessing one differential pair?
2015-06-23T03:16:24 < dongs> pretty much, take parallel and turn into serial wiht some stuffing/padding
2015-06-23T03:16:29 < dongs> nope, just single bit
2015-06-23T03:16:38 < upgrdman_> single-ended, not diff?
2015-06-23T03:16:41 < emeb> so it thought -50dBm was -20dBm. re-run with good cable and all's well.
2015-06-23T03:16:41 < dongs> SDI goes over coax
2015-06-23T03:16:54 < dongs> correct
2015-06-23T03:16:58 < upgrdman_> k
2015-06-23T03:17:34 < upgrdman_> sounds like something once of those cheap csBGA FPGAs could do for <$5
2015-06-23T03:17:47 < upgrdman_> mmm maybe not at high speed for cheap. nevermind
2015-06-23T03:18:43 < dongs> not at 3ghz, no
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2015-06-23T03:18:59 < upgrdman_> so why might someone want to serialize video? for long runs over coax?
2015-06-23T03:19:33 < dongs> sure
2015-06-23T03:20:03 < upgrdman_> any other reasons?
2015-06-23T03:20:05 < GargantuaSauce> all pro video stuff uses sdi
2015-06-23T03:20:21 < emeb> that's transport-stream formatted data, right?
2015-06-23T03:20:37 < dongs> upgrdman_: cameras connecting to control room/matrix/etc, its for everything
2015-06-23T03:20:41 < dongs> tehy also have crew comms over sdi and shit
2015-06-23T03:20:53 < dongs> basically like LAN but for video stuff
2015-06-23T03:21:22 < upgrdman_> ok. but why. is it just so you can use a simple cable like coax? because something like hdmi shits out after a few meters of length?
2015-06-23T03:21:39 < GargantuaSauce> both of those
2015-06-23T03:21:39 < dongs> isnt teh answer obvious
2015-06-23T03:22:00 < GargantuaSauce> and no emeb it's raw samples
2015-06-23T03:22:16 < dongs> dvb-asi is the transport stream stuff
2015-06-23T03:22:21 < emeb> right
2015-06-23T03:22:28 < dongs> any of SD-HD-etc SDI is raw bitz
2015-06-23T03:22:29 < emeb> we used asi on our TS modems.
2015-06-23T03:22:46 < upgrdman_> so why doesnt consume stuff use coax instead of hdmi? cost?
2015-06-23T03:22:51 < upgrdman_> consumer*
2015-06-23T03:23:02 < dongs> not nearly enough bandwidth
2015-06-23T03:23:19 < dongs> hdmi is like 8gbit? 3g-sdi is 2.9-ish
2015-06-23T03:23:25 < dongs> hdmi2 is liek 10 or 16gbit
2015-06-23T03:23:33 < upgrdman_> oh. so sdi is for low-def trash?
2015-06-23T03:23:52 < dongs> no, its plenty for 1080piss
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2015-06-23T03:37:05 < MrMobius> outputting high on PA1 or PA2 only gives 0.6v. I see those pins are connected to a sensor on the board. is there anyway to use them as normal pins?
2015-06-23T03:37:26 < dongs> ? can you be any less specific
2015-06-23T03:39:27 < MrMobius> F429 discovery board, sorry
2015-06-23T03:39:56 < MrMobius> its the L3GD20 sensor
2015-06-23T03:40:13 < dongs> are those interrupt pins or so?
2015-06-23T03:40:16 < MrMobius> yes
2015-06-23T03:40:27 < dongs> see if you can configure l3gd to make them highz or something?
2015-06-23T03:40:30 < dongs> otherwise, probably not
2015-06-23T03:41:59 < GargantuaSauce> could always cut the trace or desolder the sensor if you dont care about it
2015-06-23T03:42:08 < dongs> or unpower it
2015-06-23T03:42:11 < MrMobius> i wish i had known that before i soldered this board to fit the headers
2015-06-23T03:42:25 < dongs> you did
2015-06-23T03:42:31 < dongs> you had a schematic that showed free pins
2015-06-23T03:42:40 < dongs> before makign a board
2015-06-23T03:42:47 < GargantuaSauce> will unpowering it make the interrupt output float? wont it just make you power it through the clamp diodes
2015-06-23T03:43:00 < MrMobius> ya cutting power doesnt sound like a solution
2015-06-23T03:43:19 < dongs> ah, maybe. well, anyway see if there's a setting to change interrupt output to highz.
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2015-06-23T03:53:13 < MrMobius> this chip is rated for 10,000 gs of acceleration for short periods
2015-06-23T03:56:13 < dongs> donging
2015-06-23T03:56:14 < dongs> writing bills
2015-06-23T03:56:16 < dongs> i hate that shit
2015-06-23T04:04:03 < zyp> fun stuff
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2015-06-23T04:30:56 < zyp> fun stuff
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2015-06-23T04:40:50 < dongs> http://www.kosagi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1939#p1939 haha opensores
2015-06-23T04:41:09 < dongs> Unfortunately, this solution has a few disadvantages: It can currently sample about 200 samples per second
2015-06-23T04:41:26 < dongs> like why would you even BOTHER
2015-06-23T04:42:49 < dongs> everytime i see osqoop i cant think of reading it as ospoop
2015-06-23T04:43:02 < dongs> er, i can only think
2015-06-23T04:44:14 < dongs> Release Notes: The build system was switched to CMake. The source code is now on gitorious. An XY display mode was added.
2015-06-23T04:44:17 < dongs> ah yes
2015-06-23T04:44:18 < dongs> worthy of release news
2015-06-23T04:44:33 < dongs> isnt gitirious dead
2015-06-23T04:44:34 < dongs> lolz.
2015-06-23T04:44:49 < dongs> oh its kinda back
2015-06-23T04:44:57 < dongs> they were hacked once and everyone got trolled
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2015-06-23T04:47:13 < dongs> yaman, i regret it already.
2015-06-23T04:53:59 < dongs> https://twitter.com/FlyZANO/status/612972842645356544/video/1 lol
2015-06-23T04:57:23 < dongs> Zano is probably the best consumer drone out there so far. The ultra-portable little selfie-maker sure has some competition on the market but there are several features which make it stand out. Unlike many other unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) Zano is very small, offers sophisticated technology like swarming and obstacle avoidance and most importantly: Zano retails for a price that makes it attractive to people who are not photographers or filming professionals.
2015-06-23T05:06:41 < dongs> Torquing started as research and development team supporting and consulting bigger companies. We always had a huge interest in robotics and in 2009 we received a contract to develop drones from the ground up. This included everything from hardware to the operating system and when the contract ended in 2013 we had all this crazy technology in our hands.
2015-06-23T05:06:46 < dongs> haha
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2015-06-23T05:14:16 < dongs> I read somewhere that the video quality would be upscaled too.
2015-06-23T05:14:16 < dongs> I do not know, but would assume also that by having the IMU data, it would enable them to do a far better job of smoothing the video than any other system.
2015-06-23T05:14:20 < dongs> I wonder if the torquing group team could add detail??
2015-06-23T05:14:24 < dongs> add detail lol
2015-06-23T05:14:39 < dongs> well, while they're on a mission impossible, they might as well claim they can do that too
2015-06-23T05:19:09 < GargantuaSauce> deconvolution with a time-varying spread function
2015-06-23T05:19:12 < GargantuaSauce> yeah totally feasible
2015-06-23T05:19:14 < GargantuaSauce> they got a htpc
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2015-06-23T05:20:06 < dongs> is that good or bad
2015-06-23T05:20:13 < dongs> im not good @ math chats
2015-06-23T05:20:21 < GargantuaSauce> totally infeasible
2015-06-23T05:20:33 < GargantuaSauce> but the cloud can do it
2015-06-23T05:20:34 < GargantuaSauce> ofc
2015-06-23T05:21:40 < dongs> oh ok
2015-06-23T05:21:56 < dongs> Enhance 224 to 176
2015-06-23T05:22:20 < dongs> can they add more detail with a hPC?
2015-06-23T05:23:19 < GargantuaSauce> they can enhance the jpeg artifacts for sure
2015-06-23T05:23:27 < dongs> there will be lots of those
2015-06-23T05:23:33 < dongs> since thier video is mjpeg
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2015-06-23T05:24:45 < dongs> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083325
2015-06-23T05:27:09 < GargantuaSauce> now do it with a vibrating camera
2015-06-23T05:27:25 < dongs> bbbut you have IMU data
2015-06-23T05:28:04 < GargantuaSauce> with some arbitrary latency between that and the image frames
2015-06-23T05:28:12 < GargantuaSauce> that possibly varies
2015-06-23T05:29:25 < dongs> http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/tfr/5087418130.html
2015-06-23T05:30:02 < GargantuaSauce> living the dream
2015-06-23T05:30:17 < dongs> yes
2015-06-23T05:32:55 < dongs> R2COM: I'm 183cm but the rest is also true.
2015-06-23T05:34:41 < dongs> we could be internet height buddies
2015-06-23T05:53:18 < upgrdman> i read that as 183mm and thought you guys were having a dick measuring contest
2015-06-23T05:53:25 < upgrdman> "who's smallest?"
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2015-06-23T06:50:12 < upgrdman> neat looking video card:  http://i.imgur.com/eOOhxfp.jpg
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2015-06-23T06:51:16 < dongs> wut
2015-06-23T06:52:14 < upgrdman> you dont like it? so neat and orderly
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2015-06-23T06:52:36 < upgrdman> close up of it  http://i.imgur.com/zIjnziK.jpg
2015-06-23T06:53:49 < dongs> what the hell is it tho, why doers it have those rows of 100uH shits and alu caps
2015-06-23T06:54:35 < upgrdman> supposedly 980ti
2015-06-23T06:54:53 < upgrdman> from first comment here http://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyPorn/comments/3an7dd/oc_prettiest_simplest_and_neatest_looking_circuit/
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2015-06-23T06:56:11 < dongs> lol fucking reddit trash
2015-06-23T06:56:15 < dongs> msot useless site ever
2015-06-23T06:58:14 < dongs> i gotta admit tho, routing on a grid is fucking great
2015-06-23T06:58:41 < dongs> I'm sure R2COM can tell you more
2015-06-23T06:58:47 < dongs> how orcad has many nice grid features
2015-06-23T07:00:19 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-06-23T07:07:46 < jadew> has anyone done any superresolution stuff?
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2015-06-23T07:11:18 < upgrdman> ? like 8k?
2015-06-23T07:11:47 < jadew> upgrdman, no, SR refers to increasing the resolution via processing
2015-06-23T07:11:56 < jadew> basically recovering subpixel data
2015-06-23T07:12:19 < upgrdman> not me :(
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2015-06-23T07:16:23 < dongs> that sounds like something zano would be interested in
2015-06-23T07:17:16 < jadew> heh
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2015-06-23T07:18:13 < dongs> i still have to call in fedex to pay invoices by credit card
2015-06-23T07:18:13 < dongs> in 2015
2015-06-23T07:18:19 < dongs> i bet i could fax them my card number to pay for it tho
2015-06-23T07:18:26 < dongs> i should ask that next time
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2015-06-23T07:22:24 < jadew> this reminds me, I have to go change a pair of shoes today :/
2015-06-23T07:22:28 < jadew> it's the last day
2015-06-23T07:23:29 < jadew> damn it
2015-06-23T07:23:33 < jadew> should have slept
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2015-06-23T07:27:02 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: probably hollow parts.  i opened up a 3x mimo cheapie access point i bought and one antenna was soldered to the ground plane and the other 2 rf parts had identical RF circuit with randomly loaded components.
2015-06-23T07:27:30 < upgrdman> huh
2015-06-23T07:27:46 < upgrdman> was that meant for someone else?
2015-06-23T07:28:04 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: i mean your prerry video card's capacitors and inductors.  looks OTT
2015-06-23T07:28:09 < upgrdman> o
2015-06-23T07:28:10 < Roklobsta> why can't i spel?
2015-06-23T07:29:01 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: looks crappy, obviously the heatsink fell off at some point.
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2015-06-23T07:31:12 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2015-06-23T07:40:41 < upgrdman> do MLCC's have a steep derating when they see DC. does that mean that the voltage will spike if a DC source is applied? for example, the cap is discharged, then immediated charged to a DC voltage. shortly after the dieelctric reacts due to DC offset, and capactiance drops. that would pump up the voltage, right?
2015-06-23T07:40:47 < upgrdman> s/do/so
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2015-06-23T08:00:15 < jpa-> upgrdman: no, i'd think the dielectric reaction is immediate
2015-06-23T08:00:44 < upgrdman> o
2015-06-23T08:00:46 < upgrdman> ok
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2015-06-23T08:01:09 < jpa-> but i'm not really sure
2015-06-23T08:01:20 < upgrdman> k
2015-06-23T08:01:52 < jpa-> e.g. whether the charge to go from 0V to 5V is according to nominal capacitance or less; because if less, the capacitance would be non-linear for AC uses
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2015-06-23T08:33:01 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_drive cute
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2015-06-23T08:34:55 < upgrdman> you watching the mail bag too? lol
2015-06-23T08:35:02 < dongs> no
2015-06-23T08:35:05 < dongs> getting tweets,
2015-06-23T08:35:11 < dongs> but mailbag was mentioned
2015-06-23T08:35:25 < dongs> i cant stand eevselllout
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2015-06-23T08:36:07 < upgrdman> dongs, you might like these    http://imgur.com/gallery/MU3m7#sMSkEZT
2015-06-23T08:36:38 < upgrdman> oh, and this especially   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkQ2pXkYjRM&feature=youtu.be
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2015-06-23T08:44:12 < dongs> stopped att the magic the gathering chain
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2015-06-23T08:45:51 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-06-23T10:06:21 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/d7eN1G97.html wowwww
2015-06-23T10:11:27 < PeterM> i thin kif you were in a busy street and shot him in the face, no one would bat an eye lid
2015-06-23T10:17:41 < dongs> haha
2015-06-23T10:32:10 < Taxman> good morning, i just mastered DMA2D in F429 :)
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2015-06-23T11:43:53 < jjack> Hi all
2015-06-23T11:44:00 < jjack> can I ask help ?
2015-06-23T11:44:53 < PaulFertser> NO
2015-06-23T11:44:58 < PaulFertser> That's strictly prohibited here.
2015-06-23T11:45:14 < PaulFertser> This channel is to discuss NSFW unfunny pictures and videos. Solely.
2015-06-23T11:45:29 < Taxman> jjack: Does it not work?
2015-06-23T11:45:53 < jjack> where can I ask about STM32
2015-06-23T11:46:17 < mitrax> jjack: STM what?
2015-06-23T11:46:40 < jjack> sTM32f207VET6
2015-06-23T11:46:58 < mitrax> jjack: oh that looks complicated, what's that?
2015-06-23T11:48:09 < jjack> it's a microcontroller / mcu
2015-06-23T11:48:16 < zyp> that's stm32f2 in a qfp100 package with 512k of flash
2015-06-23T11:48:42 < jjack> yes
2015-06-23T11:48:45 < mitrax> jjack: we're just kidding with you, one tip when you're in a programming related channel: don't ask to ask :p
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2015-06-23T11:49:21 < jjack> :-D
2015-06-23T11:49:29 < jjack> bad
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2015-06-23T11:51:51 < Fleck> jjack: there are few lunatics in this channel though, be warned!
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2015-06-23T11:52:04 < jjack> ok
2015-06-23T11:52:09 < jjack> no problem
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2015-06-23T11:58:05 < jjack> do you know where I can find an example of code to do call in https  protocol with this sTM32f207VET6
2015-06-23T11:58:59 < akaWolf> you need ssl realisation firts.
2015-06-23T11:59:02 < akaWolf> first
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2015-06-23T12:01:44 < jjack> yes ssl ok
2015-06-23T12:03:24 < jpa-> polarssl might be worth a look
2015-06-23T12:03:25 < Fleck> privet akaWolf! :)
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2015-06-23T12:49:45 < dongs> remove cancer
2015-06-23T12:50:15 < dongs> i mean hi
2015-06-23T13:00:38 < akaWolf> Fleck: privet :)
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2015-06-23T15:53:06 < Laurenceb__> calling pcb gurus
2015-06-23T15:53:24 < Laurenceb__> is it possible to get kapton flexi-pcb with fr4 reinforcement
2015-06-23T15:53:31 < dongs> yeha
2015-06-23T15:53:35 < dongs> or metal
2015-06-23T15:53:39 < Laurenceb__> with metallised holes through the FR4?
2015-06-23T15:53:41 < dongs> they do that on like board to board connectors
2015-06-23T15:53:42 < dongs> no
2015-06-23T15:53:43 < Laurenceb__> i know
2015-06-23T15:53:46 < Laurenceb__> ah
2015-06-23T15:53:46 < dongs> just glued/epoxied
2015-06-23T15:54:04 < Laurenceb__> i was wondering how to do very strong headers
2015-06-23T15:54:10 < Laurenceb__> thats annoying
2015-06-23T15:54:27 < dongs> fr4+metal tab on top seems to work very well
2015-06-23T15:54:32 < dongs> i dont think is gonna get much better.
2015-06-23T15:54:46 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-06-23T15:55:15 < Laurenceb__> or solder flex to a separate fr4 board
2015-06-23T15:56:13 < Laurenceb__> or a clip fitting... hmm
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2015-06-23T15:57:03  * Laurenceb__ confuse
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2015-06-23T16:00:53 < yan_> what can cause SPI to be returning 0xFF when the scope says the pins are at zero
2015-06-23T16:06:44 < Taxman> wrong AF GPIO mapping
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2015-06-23T16:07:23 < yan_> Taxman: a different SPI device on the same bus works though
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2015-06-23T16:19:31 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-06-23T16:19:32 < Laurenceb__> http://www.epectec.com/downloads/Flex-Circuit-Design-Guide.pdf
2015-06-23T16:19:41 < Laurenceb__> these guys do "rigid-flex"
2015-06-23T16:20:19 < jadew> yan_, are you probing the correct MISO line?
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2015-06-23T17:07:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IESnKor.gifv did not expect
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2015-06-23T17:08:23 < Laurenceb__> fake?
2015-06-23T17:09:02 < jadew> looks like it
2015-06-23T17:09:35 < Laurenceb__> bevis and butt-head do holy jihad
2015-06-23T17:10:23 < jadew> NSFL = ?
2015-06-23T17:10:30 < jadew> what does L mean?
2015-06-23T17:10:49 < dongs> life, you dork
2015-06-23T17:10:58 < jadew> heh
2015-06-23T17:13:02 < jadew> might not be fake, but the angles and the quality is way too good
2015-06-23T17:13:35 < jadew> and the original clip is disturbing and seems to have even more angles
2015-06-23T17:20:38 < dongs> attn zyp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL67ofS6MPc
2015-06-23T17:21:07 < Laurenceb__> action and... CUT
2015-06-23T17:21:12 < Laurenceb__> no not the head Ahmed
2015-06-23T17:22:41 < zyp> dongs, that's pretty unfunny
2015-06-23T17:22:53 < dongs> sorry
2015-06-23T17:25:32 < dongs> damn so much music shit on jewtube has nonskippable ads
2015-06-23T17:26:08 < Laurenceb__> s/music/happy hardcore
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2015-06-23T17:27:13 < dongs> thegres no good hhc on jewtube
2015-06-23T17:27:15 < dongs> its all same shit
2015-06-23T17:28:14 < _Sync_> jadew: link to original
2015-06-23T17:28:34 < jadew> at the bottom http://i.imgur.com/IESnKor
2015-06-23T17:28:40 < jadew> afk
2015-06-23T17:30:26 < dongs> duno looks ok
2015-06-23T17:30:55 < dongs> saved
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2015-06-23T17:32:29 < byves> hi
2015-06-23T17:32:56 < byves> anyone has experience with the stm32l0xx drivers
2015-06-23T17:32:58 < byves> ?
2015-06-23T17:33:53 < byves> i want to determine my supply VDDA = 3 V x VREFINT_CAL / VREFINT_DATA
2015-06-23T17:34:15 < dongs> whats stopping you
2015-06-23T17:34:20 < byves> but i don't understand how to use this function: HAL_ADCEx_Calibration_GetValue(&hadc, ADC_SINGLE_ENDED);
2015-06-23T17:35:17 < dongs> it returns uint16 or so
2015-06-23T17:35:17 < byves> does it return VDDA? or VREFINT_DATA
2015-06-23T17:35:28 < dongs> why dont you look at its source
2015-06-23T17:35:34 < byves> i did
2015-06-23T17:35:46 < byves>   return ((hadc->Instance->CALFACT) & 0x0000007F);
2015-06-23T17:35:52 < byves> its what it does
2015-06-23T17:36:26 < byves> what is this cal fact?
2015-06-23T17:36:43 < dongs> sounds like calibration value for adc
2015-06-23T17:38:00 < byves> i belive its VREFINT_DATA.. so where's VREFINT_CAL?
2015-06-23T17:38:10 < dongs> its not
2015-06-23T17:38:53 < dongs> its calibration factor, you do not need it
2015-06-23T17:39:40 < dongs> VREFINT_CAL is a fucking memory address
2015-06-23T17:39:41 < dongs> in flash
2015-06-23T17:39:42 < dongs> read datasheet
2015-06-23T17:39:57 < dongs> and you sample vrefint
2015-06-23T17:40:31 < dongs> #define VREFINT_CAL           ((uint16_t *)(uint32_t)0x1ff80078)
2015-06-23T17:40:34 < dongs> for L0
2015-06-23T17:40:38 < dongs> that address is in datasheet
2015-06-23T17:41:21 < dongs> this is for L1, si its probably different for L0
2015-06-23T17:43:19 < dongs> and calfactor you dont even need it
2015-06-23T17:43:24 < dongs> its just some number you can get after adc calibration
2015-06-23T17:43:26 < byves> actually its the same.. i found it strange that it is not defined in the stm32l0xx libs
2015-06-23T17:43:38 < dongs> shrug, it probably is
2015-06-23T17:43:44 < dongs> try looking for 0078 or something in all .h
2015-06-23T17:44:07 < dongs> but then again who knows, some arm core stuff like DWC counters and shit arent #define by cmsis either
2015-06-23T17:47:25 < byves> so.. now that i can access the VREFINT_CAL how can i get the VREFINT_DATA?
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2015-06-23T17:50:39 < dongs> data is the adc reading
2015-06-23T17:50:42 < dongs> channel 17 or whaever
2015-06-23T17:50:53 < dongs> whichever is the one internally connected to vref
2015-06-23T17:53:52 < byves> it makes sense.. so wtf are the calibration functions doing in adc_ex?
2015-06-23T17:54:00 < dongs> dude, read the fucking docs
2015-06-23T17:56:30 < PeterM> this is ##stm32 not ##google
2015-06-23T17:56:58 < dongs> ya rly
2015-06-23T17:57:02 < dongs> i mean
2015-06-23T17:57:06 < dongs> you obviosuly want to do X
2015-06-23T17:57:12 < dongs> have you tried to read the docs or google for X
2015-06-23T17:57:23 < dongs> all teh shit I told you is stuff that was like first hits on google
2015-06-23T17:57:26 < dongs> for the shit you were asking
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2015-06-23T18:03:21 < byves> dude.. google don't show shit about this.. and the documentation on stm32l0 is a crap
2015-06-23T18:03:44 < dongs> 30 minutes ago I knew nothing about your question
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2015-06-23T18:04:47 < byves> yes.. but then again you are probably working with stm32 for years.. i started last month
2015-06-23T18:05:40 < byves> i could be a little nicer to new guys don't you think?
2015-06-23T18:05:58 < Laurenceb__>  ##stm32 is better know as ##assholesandtrolls
2015-06-23T18:05:59 < byves> i'm not saying you didn't help me
2015-06-23T18:06:09 < dongs> the only asshole here is Laurenceb__ :(
2015-06-23T18:06:22 < byves> but.. comon..
2015-06-23T18:06:28 < dongs> http://www.grandis.nu/images/nice_soldering.jpg
2015-06-23T18:08:46 < _Sync_> byves: that's unfortunately how some of the people here roll
2015-06-23T18:09:15 < dongs> how can i jerk now
2015-06-23T18:09:37 < dongs> sync trying to make me feel BAD
2015-06-23T18:10:01 < jadew> just go for the rough stuff
2015-06-23T18:10:38 < byves> dongs. you're a prompt guy.. i thank you for that.. last time i was here.. only you replyed
2015-06-23T18:10:57 < byves> take it easy!
2015-06-23T18:10:58 < byves> bye
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2015-06-23T18:11:45 < jadew> that's his way of saying "you have no life!"
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2015-06-23T18:30:21 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/myle-tap-wearable-thought-catcher teh fuck
2015-06-23T18:32:12 < jpa-> like in phishing, seems like crowdfunding campaigns now target the most stupid people
2015-06-23T18:32:18 < dongs> yes
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2015-06-23T18:34:39 < jpa-> so hm.. it is a bluetooth microphone?
2015-06-23T18:35:11 < jpa-> with speech-to-text in "all 42 languages"
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2015-06-23T18:37:33 < _Sync_> why is she wearing cycling gloves when doing pushups
2015-06-23T18:38:47 < jadew> she just got off the bike
2015-06-23T18:39:24 < jpa-> she's only doing pushups for the downblouse
2015-06-23T18:39:49 < jadew> thank you for the search term
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2015-06-23T18:45:40 < jadew> dongs, where's that picture from? the one with the solder on the ground plane
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2015-06-23T18:45:51 < Ecco> Meh
2015-06-23T18:45:59 < Ecco> OSH Park seems real quick
2015-06-23T18:46:16 < jadew> how quick?
2015-06-23T18:46:17 < Ecco> I submitted my Gerbers yesterday at 8pm
2015-06-23T18:46:26 < dongs> uh'
2015-06-23T18:46:33 < Ecco> at 9:28 PM they sent me a mail "Your boards are being made as you read this!"
2015-06-23T18:46:42 < dongs> right, now wait 1 week
2015-06-23T18:46:48 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-23T18:46:48 < Ecco> shipping?
2015-06-23T18:46:52 < dongs> no, making
2015-06-23T18:47:03 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-23T18:47:13 < Ecco> Ok so probably 2 weeks then
2015-06-23T18:47:35 < Ecco> I wonder if I'm going to wait for this breakboard
2015-06-23T18:47:45 < karlp> heh, "weather machine" used at a music festival here last weekend
2015-06-23T18:47:46 < karlp> http://img.visir.is/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/XZ/20150623/LIFID01/706239967/V2/0/V2-706239967.jpg?NoBorder
2015-06-23T18:47:51 < karlp> guaranteed sunshine!
2015-06-23T18:47:54 < Ecco> Is it reasonable to hand-solder jumper wires on a 0.9mm pitched FPC?
2015-06-23T18:49:36 < jadew> I'm sure someone did it before
2015-06-23T18:49:49 < jadew> and 0.9mm is pretty good pitch
2015-06-23T18:50:02 < Ecco> I don't need all of them
2015-06-23T18:50:07 < Ecco> but I do need some that are adjacent
2015-06-23T18:50:19 < jadew> tape them first
2015-06-23T18:50:24 < Ecco> tape?
2015-06-23T18:51:00 < jadew> put the wires in place and use tape to hold them in place (not where you're going to solder)
2015-06-23T18:51:09 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-06-23T18:51:14 < jadew> then solder at will
2015-06-23T18:51:18 < Ecco> Gotcha
2015-06-23T18:51:20 < Ecco> BTW
2015-06-23T18:51:27 < Ecco> Wich flux do you guys recommend?
2015-06-23T18:51:31 < Ecco> I have never used any
2015-06-23T18:51:43 < Ecco> (I haven't soldered much to be honest)
2015-06-23T18:51:44 < jadew> liquid flux
2015-06-23T18:51:47 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-23T18:51:53 < Ecco> Any specific model/brand?
2015-06-23T18:52:09 < jadew> just see what's cheaper and seems like the least annoying to deal with
2015-06-23T18:52:14 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-23T18:52:17 < jadew> there are lots of flavors
2015-06-23T18:52:22 < Ecco> Is it really that important?
2015-06-23T18:52:28 < jadew> flux?
2015-06-23T18:52:30 < Ecco> Yeah
2015-06-23T18:52:33 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-23T18:52:39 < Ecco> From what I've read on the net apparently you can't even solder without it
2015-06-23T18:52:43 < Ecco> but I have for years
2015-06-23T18:52:54 < jadew> you can, but you can do finer stuff with flux
2015-06-23T18:52:58 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-23T18:53:08 < Ecco> Smallest I've ever done were modchips on a Wii :-D
2015-06-23T18:53:46 < Ecco> (you have to solder a wire on what looks like a 0.5mm pitched SMD IC)
2015-06-23T18:53:57 < Ecco> https://www.digitopz.com/pic/13_d2e_a9_nintendo_wii_modchip_eing.jpg
2015-06-23T18:54:03 < jadew> I have a bottle of liquid flux and a nail polish bottle from my wife
2015-06-23T18:54:27 < jadew> I just pour it in the nail polish bottle and apply with the brush
2015-06-23T18:54:34 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-23T18:54:50 < jadew> that way you don't waste it and you have control over how much and where you apply it
2015-06-23T18:55:31 < Ecco> Interesting
2015-06-23T18:55:36 < jpa-> Ecco: soldering without flux gives bad joints, but most solder wire has a small amount of flux in it
2015-06-23T18:55:43 < Ecco> Apparently that dude on youtube recommends one that comes in a syringe
2015-06-23T18:55:53 < jadew> nah, screw the syringe
2015-06-23T18:55:56 < Ecco> jpa-: Ohhhh, now that makes sense
2015-06-23T18:56:08 < Ecco> I kept wondering why freshly molten solder worked better
2015-06-23T18:56:26 < jadew> now you know :)
2015-06-23T18:56:38 < Ecco> Indeed :)
2015-06-23T18:58:03 < Ecco> In that same video, the guy recommends either gull wing or chisel soledring tips for SMT
2015-06-23T18:58:15 < jadew> what's gull wing?
2015-06-23T18:58:22 < Ecco> http://www.techni-tool.com/Weller-Soldering-Tip-XNTGW-Gull-Wing-079-in
2015-06-23T18:58:35 < jadew> yeah, he's right
2015-06-23T18:58:51 < jpa-> those are the two most common tip shapes anyway
2015-06-23T18:58:58 < jadew> I like chisel better tho
2015-06-23T18:59:28 < jadew> I guess that if I was able to easily switch between the two I'd use the gull wing more often
2015-06-23T18:59:54 < Ecco> Well, my FX-888D came with a "regular" tip
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2015-06-23T18:59:55 < jadew> I know some nice soldering stations allow for hot swapping
2015-06-23T18:59:59 < Ecco> somewhat pointy, but rounded at the very tip
2015-06-23T19:00:11 < Ecco> Well, the FX88D heats up in a matter of seconds
2015-06-23T19:00:13 < jadew> Ecco, get another one
2015-06-23T19:00:31 < jadew> Ecco, yeah, but it doesn't cool off just as quick
2015-06-23T19:00:37 < jadew> so if you want to change the tip you have to wait a bit
2015-06-23T19:00:39 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-23T19:00:43 < Ecco> I overlooked that :)
2015-06-23T19:00:47 < jadew> and even then, you still have to use some protective material to unscrew it
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2015-06-23T19:04:06 < Ecco> Meh
2015-06-23T19:04:09 < Ecco> So I got this LCD panel
2015-06-23T19:04:18 < Ecco> the spec says which pin number does what
2015-06-23T19:04:27 < Ecco> but I have no idea which pin is the #1
2015-06-23T19:04:44 < jadew> 7 seg?
2015-06-23T19:04:47 < Ecco> graphic
2015-06-23T19:04:52 < dongs> you can find the gnd one...
2015-06-23T19:04:53 < dongs> and count.
2015-06-23T19:04:57 < Ecco> oh
2015-06-23T19:05:17 < Ecco> hmm yeah I can try this
2015-06-23T19:05:33 < Ecco> there are two wires (#1 and #25 which are labelled "ESD")
2015-06-23T19:05:37 < Ecco> maybe those are grounded?
2015-06-23T19:06:01 < jpa-> 25 wires? what crazy panel is that? raw rgb?
2015-06-23T19:06:19 < Ecco> nope
2015-06-23T19:06:29 < Ecco> SPI/8080
2015-06-23T19:06:34 < dongs> just retarded shit
2015-06-23T19:06:38 < dongs> and i think it had caps
2015-06-23T19:06:41 < Ecco> a bunch of pins (3) for the "mode selection"
2015-06-23T19:06:42 < dongs> that he had to place around
2015-06-23T19:06:49 < Ecco> yeah, and capacitors (integrated voltage converter)
2015-06-23T19:07:05 < jpa-> but yeah, gnd pins are easy to identify on pcb
2015-06-23T19:07:17 < Ecco> well
2015-06-23T19:07:22 < Ecco> in that case seems like I'm stuck
2015-06-23T19:07:27 < Ecco> it's a chip-on-glass stuff
2015-06-23T19:07:38 < Ecco> the cable goes straight into some dark "goo"
2015-06-23T19:08:12 < Ecco> that was a good suggestion though
2015-06-23T19:08:24 < Ecco> Maybe it'll help
2015-06-23T19:09:13 < jpa-> does the datasheet identify just one or multiple gnd pins?
2015-06-23T19:09:34 < Ecco> just one :(
2015-06-23T19:09:45 < Ecco> There are multiple "ESD" pins, but those aren't even connected
2015-06-23T19:10:36 < kakimir_> I need ultimate alternative for rtc crystal package
2015-06-23T19:11:17 < kakimir_> do you use that metal can type in prohjects?
2015-06-23T19:13:04 < kakimir_> I found nice package for main clock
2015-06-23T19:13:11 < kakimir_> http://fi.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Epson-Timing/FA-128-240000MF10Z-W3/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuhw0erbKvd2jJz%252biIFCsyl
2015-06-23T19:13:42 < kakimir_> rtc can is ridiculous giant compared to that
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2015-06-23T19:15:13 < Ecco> kakimir_: You're talking about a 32kHz quartz?
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2015-06-23T19:16:38 < kakimir_> y
2015-06-23T19:17:35 < kakimir_> by ultimate *I mean combination of small size, availability, ok price and good precision
2015-06-23T19:23:24 < kakimir_> ok if you use some ABS07 footprint you are good
2015-06-23T19:24:02 < dongs> er 2016 crystals? sure, as long as you want them above 16mhz
2015-06-23T19:24:15 < dongs> you can get 8mhz in 3225 but its expensive
2015-06-23T19:24:46 < kakimir_> abs07 = 3215
2015-06-23T19:24:53 < kakimir_> and for rtc
2015-06-23T19:25:23 < kakimir_> is there other frequencies used for rtc than 32,768
2015-06-23T19:25:57 < dongs> i use FC-135  for rtc
2015-06-23T19:26:15 < dongs> ah
2015-06-23T19:26:16 < dongs> same shit
2015-06-23T19:26:18 < dongs> 3215
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2015-06-23T19:41:14 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1991375881/vufine-a-handsfree-wearable-display/description
2015-06-23T19:46:08 < dongs> At launch tracking is achieved via GPS, so the Zano can follow your smart device (ie you) using this GPS data, as it knows where your phone is and where itself is at all times when outdoors.
2015-06-23T19:46:13 < dongs> Object tracking using optics is quite possible, and may be available in the future as an app update, but this requires clever software to be programmed first. I wouldn't expect this at launch.
2015-06-23T19:46:17 < dongs> haha
2015-06-23T19:46:18 < dongs> good thing this guy doesnt work for dorquing
2015-06-23T19:48:15 < dongs> It has nothing to do with color balance, it will use some sort frame-to-frame comparison algorithm to stabilise shaky camera recording, remembering that a tiny light drone flying in the wind without a gimbal WILL shake, that just how physics works.
2015-06-23T19:48:19 < dongs> That's a fairly complex and CPU intensive processing and even on modern PCs (i5 and i7) would still be pretty time consuming, directly on the phone it would be just plain ridiculous. After you downloaded the stabilised video, then you can create your edition on Final Cut, Premier etc.
2015-06-23T19:48:24 < dongs> But of course, if you're happy with the quality of the raw video, then by all means, you're not obliged to upload it. Also nobody will make you do it over limited 3G or anything like that.
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2015-06-23T20:11:50 < Ecco> dongs: Just reading the end of the conversation
2015-06-23T20:12:11 < Ecco> some friends of mine had great success stabilizing a video using the input from a MEMS gyro
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2015-06-23T20:25:49 < Ecco> Hmm, ok
2015-06-23T20:26:03 < Ecco> so apparently I did manage to hand solder 25 wires on that FPC cable
2015-06-23T20:26:09 < Ecco> Boy was that tedious
2015-06-23T20:26:12 < Ecco> (and ugly)
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2015-06-23T20:55:03 < Ecco> Mh
2015-06-23T20:55:05 < Ecco> Meh
2015-06-23T20:55:11 < Ecco> Datasheet asks for 1 uF
2015-06-23T20:55:17 < Ecco> I only have 0.47 uF here
2015-06-23T20:57:50 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_frequency_line_trap
2015-06-23T20:57:52 < Laurenceb__> i lollde
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2015-06-23T21:09:14 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNlhRS3hQZWVRQms/view?usp=sharing trying to push that last one feet every time
2015-06-23T21:09:34 < Ecco> nice glider :)
2015-06-23T21:09:50 < kakimir_> nice little thing
2015-06-23T21:10:12 < kakimir_> just enought sopisticated to be not called as a toy
2015-06-23T21:10:31 < Ecco> what remote control do you use?
2015-06-23T21:11:10 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKfm1QWnhwQjBCUXBrNjRBUVJCamNfaVdOTFMwU3d5VFV2YTFqajRXYnkzU28&usp=sharing ghetto optic 6
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2015-06-23T22:18:23 < Ecco> Meh
2015-06-23T22:18:32 < Ecco> I have working code that writes on SPI5
2015-06-23T22:18:40 < Ecco> And for some reason I cannot tweak it to work on SPI2
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2015-06-23T23:25:55 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcjhPWmJSTWtsVTA/view?usp=sharing lpc1517 breakout board slowly progressing
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2015-06-23T23:28:36 < kakimir_> all terminated, ferrited and filtered inputs
2015-06-23T23:28:57 < jadew> waste of ferrite
2015-06-23T23:29:16 < Ecco> damn, I've been fighting this SPI thing for like 2 hours
2015-06-23T23:29:18 < Ecco> :(
2015-06-23T23:29:23 < Ecco> I really wonder what's wrong :(
2015-06-23T23:29:26 < kakimir_> just leave ferrite out
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2015-06-23T23:33:46 < Ecco> Oh
2015-06-23T23:33:55 < Ecco> Maybe the pins aren't free after all
2015-06-23T23:33:59 < Ecco> THat might explain
2015-06-23T23:34:08 < kakimir_> that usually explains
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2015-06-23T23:38:19 < Ecco> Crap
2015-06-23T23:38:26 < Ecco> Apparently, there's no free pin
2015-06-23T23:38:35 < Ecco> that has SPI
2015-06-23T23:38:36 < Ecco> :(
2015-06-23T23:47:02 < Laurenceb__> ls "dmMkTAm5TcV/anal_dilated+sphincter_dildo_gape"
2015-06-23T23:47:07 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-23T23:47:16 < Ecco> Ok, I eventually found what was wrong
2015-06-23T23:47:27 < Ecco> "PB14 and PB15 are only used for USB OTG and not connected to P2 to avoid noise"
2015-06-23T23:47:36 < Ecco> This can be changed with a solder bridge
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2015-06-24T06:35:58 < dongs> sup pro
2015-06-24T06:38:22 < dongs> packing orders and shit
2015-06-24T06:38:23 < dongs> not pro at all
2015-06-24T06:38:30 < dongs> wasting valuable innovation time
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2015-06-24T06:50:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FZoaF8o.png
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2015-06-24T07:02:06 < dongs> DRM steam game, im sure
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2015-06-24T07:28:33 < dongs> eh, below 30 i guess
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2015-06-24T07:31:57 < dongs> Am I the only backer that finds it odd that we purchased a small quadcopter that basically needs to fly outdoors autonomously and send back pictures, and here we are near the end of the projected month of first product shipments and we have not seen a Zano actually do either of these functions.
2015-06-24T07:32:03 < dongs> IMO, we should all be concerned about receiving a finished product in the next few months with the basic features working before we dream about the 100+ other things it can do; should do; or will do.
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2015-06-24T08:16:47 < dongs> you cant delete comments on dickstater
2015-06-24T08:16:49 < dongs> only indinono
2015-06-24T08:17:18 < upgrdman> good idea:  http://imgur.com/h7TTQt6
2015-06-24T08:19:02 < upgrdman> me neither
2015-06-24T08:19:33 < emeb_mac> no chance of that going horribly wrong...
2015-06-24T08:19:56 < dongs> not at all , not in usa
2015-06-24T08:22:26 < emeb_mac> as long as you're a well-dressed white guy it's OK. Otherwise, better not.
2015-06-24T08:22:40 < dongs> racist.
2015-06-24T08:22:49 < emeb_mac> realist
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2015-06-24T08:23:55 < dongs> http://www.wtfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/S5Rau.jpg
2015-06-24T08:25:59 < emeb_mac> so cute!
2015-06-24T08:26:11 < emeb_mac> useless, but cute.
2015-06-24T08:26:48 < ReadError> http://www.flybi.co/
2015-06-24T08:26:56 < ReadError> future dickstarter for you to hate after zano dongs
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2015-06-24T08:27:57 < dongs> Your digital memories are safe and secure
2015-06-24T08:28:15 < dongs> The Helideck stores three batteries so your FLYBi never runs out of power! And because the FLYBi automatically changes its own batteries, you can fly your drone as much and as often as you want with little to no downtime!
2015-06-24T08:28:20 < dongs> lolll
2015-06-24T08:28:51 < dongs> If the drone loses signal, runs out of battery, or flies too far away, it will automatically return to the Helideck for safe keeping.
2015-06-24T08:29:19 < ReadError> its powered by hopes and dreams
2015-06-24T08:31:13 < DanteA> Powered by liquid happy, yeah
2015-06-24T08:31:52 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/35VvWfq
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2015-06-24T08:36:20 < dongs> nobody died.
2015-06-24T08:36:22 < dongs> disappointing
2015-06-24T08:37:21 < upgrdman> :)   http://imgur.com/VEHza2F
2015-06-24T08:38:17 < dongs> upgrdman: you gotta attn zyp  that
2015-06-24T08:38:42 < upgrdman> dongs, for future ref, what does zyp like to see?
2015-06-24T08:40:07 < dongs> upgrdman: perhaps dongs
2015-06-24T08:40:25 < upgrdman> mmmkay
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2015-06-24T08:42:51  * emeb_mac is learning not to click just any links
2015-06-24T08:43:21 < PeterM> > runs out of power
2015-06-24T08:43:25 < PeterM> >automatically return
2015-06-24T08:43:30 < PeterM> how
2015-06-24T08:43:42 < dongs> clouds
2015-06-24T08:43:45 < dongs> they solve *
2015-06-24T08:44:02 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/oQSQIqb.gif
2015-06-24T08:44:18 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, ya, sorry. if i link to imgur, it's ~always off topic.
2015-06-24T08:44:43 < PeterM> lolled
2015-06-24T08:44:49 < dongs> thtas agood one
2015-06-24T08:45:05 < GargantuaSauce> reminds me of the one with a guy sitting astride a pipeline cutting it
2015-06-24T08:45:20 < emeb_mac> *bonk*
2015-06-24T08:45:54 < GargantuaSauce> http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Welding_4e22ba_306390.gif
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2015-06-24T09:35:53 < upgrdman> awesome. fixed my smartphone. replacing the power button on the nexus4 was pretty easy.
2015-06-24T09:36:14 < upgrdman> no more double button presses
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2015-06-24T09:37:21 < dongs> now install the app that kills that google now faggotry
2015-06-24T09:37:23 < dongs> if you long-press home
2015-06-24T09:37:32 < dongs> most useless shit EVER, fuck
2015-06-24T09:38:22 < akaWolf> ow
2015-06-24T09:38:33 < akaWolf> shitroid is shit enough
2015-06-24T09:38:37 < akaWolf> I agree
2015-06-24T09:39:19  * akaWolf prefer to have Symbian.
2015-06-24T09:39:34 < akaWolf> but it's not updated ages already
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2015-06-24T11:39:27 < umquant> can anyone recommend a library for parsing HTTP strings?
2015-06-24T11:41:35 < Roklobsta> LMGTFY  ohhh https://github.com/google/gumbo-parser
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2015-06-24T11:42:38 < umquant> Roklobsta, I am looking for parsing HTTP request strings not HTML :) But thank you for looking
2015-06-24T11:42:47 < Roklobsta> any time
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2015-06-24T13:14:43 < Ecco> umquant: You may want to use an existing HTTP server
2015-06-24T13:14:54 < Ecco> That being said, if you only want HTTP parsing
2015-06-24T13:15:22 < Ecco> Mongrel has a solid HTTP parser written in Ragel (a language to build automata)
2015-06-24T13:15:58 < umquant> Ecco, Hmm I will have to look into that
2015-06-24T13:16:16 < Ecco> Why don't you use a full http server BTW?
2015-06-24T13:16:57 < Ecco> (I haven't ever used any, but stuff like https://www.gnu.org/software/libmicrohttpd/ could be a good candidate)
2015-06-24T13:17:12 < Ecco> Also, if you're doing networking
2015-06-24T13:17:20 < Ecco> I would consider using Linux
2015-06-24T13:17:28 < Ecco> (so most likely *not* on an STM32)
2015-06-24T13:17:36 < DanteA> What is full server?
2015-06-24T13:18:16 < PaulFertser> lwIP comes with a nice http server, with CGI capabilities. Not sure how easy it would be to use it with PolarSSL or something like that.
2015-06-24T13:28:23 < jpa-> DanteA: he is looking for a library that implements the request parsing part of a HTTP server; while it might be more fruitful to just look for a HTTP server that does request parsing & other parts of handling the connection
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2015-06-24T13:33:05 < DanteA> He always can cut existing functionality
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2015-06-24T13:47:06 < dongs> < Ecco> Mongrel has a solid HTTP parser written in Ragel (a language to build automata)
2015-06-24T13:47:13 < dongs> i would have thought its a language to build rage
2015-06-24T13:47:13 < Ecco> yes?
2015-06-24T13:47:16 < dongs> in developers
2015-06-24T13:47:26 < Ecco> Well, it's not mutually exclusive
2015-06-24T13:47:34 < dongs> anything other than C is pretty much garbage as far as im concerned
2015-06-24T13:47:41 < dongs> all this newfag scripting shit can go suck a huge cock.
2015-06-24T13:47:58 < Ecco> ragel generates C, you dumbass
2015-06-24T13:48:15 < Ecco> think of it like Lex/Bison if you will
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2015-06-24T13:48:55 < jpa-> oh, and it has goto
2015-06-24T13:48:56 < jpa-> lovely
2015-06-24T13:49:07 < dongs> what is it written in
2015-06-24T13:49:11 < Ecco> I have no idea
2015-06-24T13:49:18 < Ecco> But it doesn't really matter, does it?
2015-06-24T13:49:23 < dongs> it very much does
2015-06-24T13:49:26 < Ecco> why?
2015-06-24T13:49:30 < dongs> ...
2015-06-24T13:49:50 < jpa-> why indeed
2015-06-24T13:49:56 < Ecco> yacc could be written in Lua, I couldn't care less :)
2015-06-24T13:53:33 < Ecco> Anyway, Ragel is written in C++
2015-06-24T13:53:49 < Ecco> and it can generate C, C++, ObjC, C#, D, Java, Go and Ruby code
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2015-06-24T14:56:22 < Fleck> help, when using -nostartfiles to compile I can't use __libc_init_array cause of undefined ref to _init, when not using -nostartfiles I get image 3x as big, like 1024bytes with -nostartfiles and 3072bytes w/o -nostartfiles and with __libc_init_array... ideas? Do I need that init stuff?
2015-06-24T14:59:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/24/siri_911_immediately_calls_police_lol/
2015-06-24T14:59:43 < zyp> Fleck, how big is it if you don't use -nostartfiles and don't call __libc_init_array?
2015-06-24T15:00:01 < Fleck> and call
2015-06-24T15:00:05 < Fleck> err
2015-06-24T15:00:06 < Fleck> sorr
2015-06-24T15:00:07 < Fleck> sec
2015-06-24T15:01:21 < Fleck> 2048 bytes zyp
2015-06-24T15:02:37 < zyp> have you tested whether this code actually works?
2015-06-24T15:03:19 < Fleck> blinks led ok, yes :D
2015-06-24T15:03:23 < Fleck> all that I need
2015-06-24T15:03:27 < zyp> in any case?
2015-06-24T15:03:29 < Fleck> s/need/know
2015-06-24T15:03:43 < Fleck> yes, in any case
2015-06-24T15:03:48 < zyp> okay
2015-06-24T15:04:43 < zyp> the init array stuff is used to call initialization functions, which is mainly used your code needs to initialize global C++ objects
2015-06-24T15:04:58 < PaulFertser> Fleck: if you do not use C++, just stub _init out in your main.c
2015-06-24T15:05:02 < zyp> i.e. call global constructors
2015-06-24T15:05:36 < Fleck> I don't use C++
2015-06-24T15:05:42 < zyp> then you're probably good
2015-06-24T15:06:11 < zyp> assuming that you have the other required startup initialization, like copying .data and clearing .bss
2015-06-24T15:09:00 < Fleck> well startup code if from CUBE/STDPERIPH ... did not change much there, except end of RAM, flash/ram size
2015-06-24T15:09:28 < Fleck> and there is zerofill bss section stuff...
2015-06-24T15:10:39 < Fleck> /* Copy the data segment initializers from flash to SRAM */ and /* Zero fill the bss segment. */
2015-06-24T15:13:53 < Fleck> ok, thanks zyp, PaulFertser
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2015-06-24T15:17:23 < Fleck> err, actually I just disabled __libc_init_array in startup code, flash/ram size/end is in linker, I need to go to sleep I guess :p talking crap :D
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2015-06-24T15:21:06 < dongs> Why on earth did you back the project in the first place if you have concerns about the creators ability to deliver what they have promised? This is a Kickstarter after all, you're not backing an already proven device but taking a risk that the team will be able to deliver. For my part I have seen nothing to indicate that they won't be able to do so but, equally, appreciate I have no control over whether they actually do so.
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2015-06-24T15:43:30 < _Sync_> wow
2015-06-24T15:43:37 < _Sync_> finally someone sane on dickstarter dongs
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2015-06-24T15:45:55 < dongs> wel, they're posting in there, so they also backed it
2015-06-24T15:50:19 < _Sync_> sure
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2015-06-24T16:18:38 < Ecco> \o/ YAY!
2015-06-24T16:18:39 < Ecco> I did it
2015-06-24T16:18:48 < Ecco> That fucking LCD finally works!
2015-06-24T16:19:21 < jpa-> next: you'll accidentally break it
2015-06-24T16:19:28 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-24T16:19:33 < Ecco> Yeah, this is *very* likely :)
2015-06-24T16:19:38 < Ecco> I'm surprised it even worked at all actually
2015-06-24T16:21:50 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/YugKX5V.jpg
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2015-06-24T16:27:32 < karlp> thanks for those welding gifs guys :)
2015-06-24T16:27:53 < karlp> upgrdman: heh, I replaced the power button on my htc one s yesterday :)
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2015-06-24T16:41:11 < kakimir_> uneven traces to crystal
2015-06-24T16:41:23 < kakimir_> how is that going to come out?
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2015-06-24T16:42:42 < kakimir_> maybe it's better to avoid
2015-06-24T17:04:10 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/User:Jesuitx
2015-06-24T17:04:13 < Laurenceb>  NSFW
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2015-06-24T17:09:28 < Ecco> What the hell
2015-06-24T17:09:40 < Ecco> His shlong's so thick it looks like a fuckin salami
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2015-06-24T17:14:48 < Laurenceb> check the red side panel
2015-06-24T17:15:01 < Laurenceb> our friend has visited them
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2015-06-24T17:42:44 < jubatus> are we talking about dongs ?
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2015-06-24T18:40:25 < Laurenceb> maybe
2015-06-24T18:40:30 < Laurenceb> http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?298239-AD6AM-SILENT
2015-06-24T18:40:39 < Laurenceb>  <eroomde> yes that's quite a moving obit
2015-06-24T18:40:41 < Laurenceb> rofl
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2015-06-24T19:08:50 < gxti> old
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2015-06-24T19:34:26 < Ecco> I never understood why amateur radio still exists
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2015-06-24T19:55:18 < BrainDamage> that's like asking why stamp collecting exists
2015-06-24T20:00:36 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/xktx1.jpg
2015-06-24T20:04:31 < Laurenceb> lol there is an entire subreddit devoted to this
2015-06-24T20:05:20 < jadew> what's that?
2015-06-24T20:06:05 < Laurenceb> ruining childhood
2015-06-24T20:06:27 < Laurenceb> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/227/721/snowwhite.jpg
2015-06-24T20:07:34 < Laurenceb> http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/k5lku/adding_a_logo/c2hp30o
2015-06-24T20:08:55 < jadew> oh, it's a porn thing
2015-06-24T20:09:12  * jadew doesn't know, cuz he doesn't watches porn almost every day
2015-06-24T20:09:21 < Laurenceb> cool story bro
2015-06-24T20:09:26 < jadew> :P
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2015-06-24T20:13:00 < Laurenceb> http://www.justmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/01-uRFRZ8n.gif
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2015-06-24T20:14:14 < jadew> lol
2015-06-24T20:15:13 < Laurenceb> http://www.justmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/31-PDoZMXQ-580x555.jpg
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2015-06-24T20:47:59 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX2lPWFZSY0dJNVk/view?usp=sharing
2015-06-24T20:48:51 < kakimir_> 100mm line for a reference for final product size
2015-06-24T20:50:06 < zyp> you love those SMA connectors
2015-06-24T20:51:16 < kakimir_> everything will be sma
2015-06-24T20:53:51 < Steffanx> even the power input connector?
2015-06-24T20:54:48 < zyp> no no, everybody knows that the right way to do stuff is to run 84MHz over jumper wires
2015-06-24T20:55:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/v0OjW.JPG <- like this
2015-06-24T20:55:47 < Steffanx> perfect
2015-06-24T20:56:20 < kakimir_> only power connectors and i2c connectors will be screw terminal or so
2015-06-24T20:56:30 < kakimir_> 2,54mm connectors
2015-06-24T21:15:20 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbVNlRV9ZSUVhUkE/view?usp=sharing some tetris and buy sma torque wrench...
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2015-06-24T21:48:53 < _Sync_> > sma tq wrench
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2015-06-24T22:02:15 < Fleck> it's just me or... F1CUBE has '0' in gcc linker scripts? :D
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2015-06-24T22:23:16 < kakimir_> do you know any inexpensives sma wrenchers?
2015-06-24T22:25:48 < kakimir_> paying 60eur for piece of plastic is not an option
2015-06-24T22:26:01 < kakimir_> chinese should copy harder
2015-06-24T22:27:48 < Lux> why do you even need that ?
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2015-06-24T22:29:52 < Fleck> http://9gag.com/gag/aWO00jn
2015-06-24T22:32:15 < kakimir_> I don't
2015-06-24T22:32:22 < kakimir_> I don't do rf yet
2015-06-24T22:32:36 < kakimir_> and I use cheapest connectors
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2015-06-25T00:17:36 < johntramp> hi - it should be possible to program the OTP space from a st-link debugger, right?
2015-06-25T00:24:30 < zyp> the debugger can access the full memory space, so it's possible to do anything through it, given the right software
2015-06-25T00:24:37 < zyp> i.e. yes
2015-06-25T00:27:42 < jadew> ffs... I spent ~ 2 hours compiling something, it has several projects named like "package", "install", "uninstall" etc
2015-06-25T00:27:52 < jadew> so you right click on one hit build and it does that
2015-06-25T00:28:25 < jadew> I compiled "package" then when I wanted to build "install" I flintched and clicked the item under "Build"
2015-06-25T00:28:31 < jadew> "Rebuild"
2015-06-25T00:29:15  * jadew facepalms
2015-06-25T00:29:53 < johntramp> zyp: cool
2015-06-25T00:30:20 < johntramp> i use openocd but I see on the mailing list that it isnt supported
2015-06-25T00:31:26 < johntramp> ill try the stlink software
2015-06-25T00:32:35 < karlp> johntramp: what mailing list post are you reading that says it's not supported?
2015-06-25T00:32:59 < karlp> you should be able to use the raw mem read/write commands to do it by hand just fine.
2015-06-25T00:33:31 < johntramp> ah okay
2015-06-25T00:33:33 < johntramp> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.debugging.openocd.devel/21398
2015-06-25T00:33:47 < johntramp> this is quite an old post
2015-06-25T00:33:57 < kakimir_> guys
2015-06-25T00:35:29 < kakimir_> have anyone done thermocouple measurements? I need something that can handle ground tied thermocouple head
2015-06-25T00:35:48 < kakimir_> and inexpensives
2015-06-25T00:35:57 < zyp> is that a good idea?
2015-06-25T00:36:10 < zyp> sounds like a good way to get a bunch of noise into your measurements
2015-06-25T00:36:11 < kakimir_> no
2015-06-25T00:36:50 < karlp> johntramp: that would be talking about using those "otp" commands
2015-06-25T00:37:10 < karlp> but you can write and read to whatever memory registers to unlock and so on by hand too, just not as convenient.
2015-06-25T00:37:14 < kakimir_> but arent there cases when you have your thermocouple tip connected to some structure in contact electrically and otherwise
2015-06-25T00:38:57 < kakimir_> for delay reduction and such
2015-06-25T00:39:03 < kakimir_> instant readings
2015-06-25T00:40:16 < kakimir_> idk..
2015-06-25T00:43:40 < kakimir_> i don't know why I need it
2015-06-25T00:44:12 < kakimir_> I'm just stuck with it
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2015-06-25T00:47:23 < Laurenceb__> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04097991/filing-history
2015-06-25T00:47:33 < Laurenceb__> being a con artist doesnt pay well, who knew
2015-06-25T00:48:04 < johntramp> karlp: ok, so that isn't a `flash write_bank` ...  would I use the `mww` etc. commands?
2015-06-25T00:53:29 < karlp> that's what I'd be trying, yes
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2015-06-25T01:31:38 < kakimir_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EolPFxWClws robot factory porn
2015-06-25T01:32:38 < kakimir_> that is sound of money
2015-06-25T01:35:05 < Laurenceb__> ooh
2015-06-25T01:36:23 < kakimir_> nice big arms
2015-06-25T01:37:43 < Laurenceb__> I'm confused
2015-06-25T01:37:49 < Laurenceb__> is that pre-preg?
2015-06-25T01:37:56 < Laurenceb__> or some sort of thermoforming?
2015-06-25T01:38:26 < kakimir_> something happend instantly :/
2015-06-25T01:42:20 < kakimir_> take note that there is hardly any welding
2015-06-25T01:42:34 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-06-25T01:42:50 < Laurenceb__> odd use of CF panels, I dont see what those achieve
2015-06-25T01:43:17 < Laurenceb__> looks like the CF is fixed to the body using adhesive
2015-06-25T01:43:47 < kakimir_> even sides of body are first clued on place
2015-06-25T01:55:21 < Laurenceb__> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPX0SCl7OzWilt9LnuQliattX4OUCj_8EP65_cTVnBmS1jnYgsGQAieQUc1VQWdgQ/photo/AF1QipNOBn-fRk5Cqvaq0xY0k_Nw8b-7_HAd46Ze4hEm?key=aVBxWjhwSzg2RjJWLWRuVFBBZEN1d205bUdEMnhB
2015-06-25T01:55:28 < Laurenceb__> mind blown
2015-06-25T01:57:14 < PeterM> all im seeing is a garbage photo/picture that almost looks like a corrupt image
2015-06-25T01:58:38 < kakimir_> dmt trip simulator
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2015-06-25T04:54:35 < jadew> I haven't seen anything like it before
2015-06-25T04:55:37 < jadew> very nice style
2015-06-25T04:56:27 < jadew> ah, it's a modified photo
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2015-06-25T04:58:18 < jadew> still interesting
2015-06-25T04:58:31 < jadew> all his stuff seems to follow this style
2015-06-25T05:02:27 < karlp> laurence didn't really privde the context it deserves
2015-06-25T05:04:39 < dongs> what is CFRP
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2015-06-25T05:15:44 < dongs> < kakimir_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EolPFxWClws robot factory porn
2015-06-25T05:15:48 < dongs> thats pretty awesome
2015-06-25T05:27:29 < dongs> hehe
2015-06-25T05:27:36 < dongs> why do people route one way on top and across on bottom?
2015-06-25T05:27:41 < dongs> is that some routing style, or some autorouter thing?
2015-06-25T05:28:05 < dongs> this jap board im looking at, every trace on top layer is vertical
2015-06-25T05:28:10 < dongs> and everything on bottom layer is horizontal
2015-06-25T05:29:20 < dongs> whoa
2015-06-25T05:30:57 < Roklobsta> the argument i have seen for that is mechanical strength...?
2015-06-25T05:31:06 < dongs> really? i duno
2015-06-25T05:31:09 < Roklobsta> and reduction of signal coupling
2015-06-25T05:31:22 < Roklobsta> but style might be the real answer
2015-06-25T05:31:54 < Roklobsta> and being perpendicular it makes linking nets easy
2015-06-25T05:32:39 < englishman> dongs I do that sometimes cuz its what I learned in cmos stuff makes some routing easier so it becomes habit
2015-06-25T05:32:52 < englishman> reduced coupling noise between top bottom
2015-06-25T05:33:44 < Roklobsta> wir sind sie robots.
2015-06-25T05:35:21 < englishman> that's pretty awesome carbonfibre shit
2015-06-25T05:36:56 < Roklobsta> screw electronics.  i wish i did mechnical/robotic engineering
2015-06-25T05:37:09 < upgrdman> lol   "The Gay Nigger Association of America is probably the most obscure trolling organization on Earth. Their mission is to defend the civil rights of all men of both African and homosexual descent, and crapflood the LiveJournals and Xanga blogs of all enemies of niggerdom and faggotry."
2015-06-25T05:37:32 < upgrdman> from  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/GNAA
2015-06-25T05:38:04 < Roklobsta> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ncwCETyQlk is dongs' fave movie.
2015-06-25T05:42:18 < jubatus> dongs: to reduce crosstalk
2015-06-25T05:42:33 < jubatus> oh someone else answered it already
2015-06-25T06:23:31 < upgrdman> so true   http://imgur.com/glrQUla
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2015-06-25T07:42:05 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321760273810
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2015-06-25T07:54:13 < jadew> the awesomeness of VS: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/oCjmK.png
2015-06-25T07:56:48 < jadew> personally I'm not aware of any other IDE that does this
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2015-06-25T07:57:39 < PeterM> attn dongs and zyp, this is dongs and zyp http://i.imgur.com/EtZIY9a.webm
2015-06-25T07:58:35 < jadew> you know you need to change something when you have posters of dolls on your wall
2015-06-25T07:58:44 < jpa-> jadew: i've done similar with gdb macro (piping to imagemagick 'display'), but yeah, that's cool
2015-06-25T07:59:22 < PeterM> i thought you were going to say somethign about dancing adn doll pictures on your walls
2015-06-25T08:00:27 < jadew> nah, the dancing part is the only normal thing
2015-06-25T08:00:42 < jadew> I just remembered, I have a similar video too, since I was a teen
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2015-06-25T08:02:50 < jadew> jpa-, I have to get familiar with those gdb macros, they're a mistery to me
2015-06-25T08:03:07 < jpa-> they are sometimes also a misery :)
2015-06-25T08:03:13 < jadew> I suppose all this could change if I decide to stick to linux for half a year
2015-06-25T08:03:36 < jadew> I bet, but they seem useful
2015-06-25T08:05:20 < jpa-> IIRC what i used was something like   "dump memory foobar.bin foobar.data foobar.data+foobar-size" "shell display -size 123x456 rgb:foobar.bin"
2015-06-25T08:05:40 < jpa-> - typos
2015-06-25T08:05:48 < jadew> nice
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2015-06-25T08:23:47 < dongs> PeterM: looks like osu!
2015-06-25T08:23:58 < jadew> what's osu?
2015-06-25T08:24:06 < dongs> jadew: what tehy're playing
2015-06-25T08:24:43 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKjeMbNNEi4
2015-06-25T08:24:45 < jadew> YouTube: 5 Years Of Osu!
2015-06-25T08:24:45 < jadew> this?
2015-06-25T08:24:52 < dongs> This video contains content from AVEX GROUP HOLDINGS.INC and Victor Entertainment, Inc., one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
2015-06-25T08:26:20 < jadew> nvm I think that's it
2015-06-25T08:26:29 < jadew> so why are they dancing? is it part of the game?
2015-06-25T08:26:53 < dongs> no thety're just beiong dumb
2015-06-25T08:27:06 < jadew> ah
2015-06-25T08:27:44 < dongs> my desk phone hook switch is dead :(
2015-06-25T08:27:50 < dongs> furiosuly taking apart and hoping i can glue / fix it
2015-06-25T08:28:04 < jadew> might be a custom job
2015-06-25T08:28:15 < dongs> it most liekly is
2015-06-25T08:28:50 < emeb_mac> just put in a toggle switch
2015-06-25T08:29:12 < emeb_mac> give it a brass faceplate - totally steampunk
2015-06-25T08:29:33 < jadew> lol
2015-06-25T08:30:32 < dongs> oh ya, fuck, its gone
2015-06-25T08:30:37 < dongs> it was spring loaded shit and little tab broke off
2015-06-25T08:31:33 < jadew> 10s of minutes of fun ahead, if you decide to fix it
2015-06-25T08:31:57 < emeb_mac> get a new phone. this is the disposable future.
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2015-06-25T08:37:42 < upgrdman> anyone know if china get pissed if a foreigner uses a VPN while in china?
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2015-06-25T08:37:57 < jadew> how would they know?
2015-06-25T08:38:10 < upgrdman> packet sniffing?
2015-06-25T08:38:18 < jadew> and they'll see nothing :)
2015-06-25T08:38:32 < upgrdman> they'll see lots of encrypted data...
2015-06-25T08:38:51 < upgrdman> and not with a cert they MITM'd
2015-06-25T08:39:08 < jadew> well, you can try
2015-06-25T08:39:16 < jadew> I doubt they monitor the traffic that close
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2015-06-25T08:41:46 < dongs> upgrdman: most big vpn providers are banned
2015-06-25T08:41:52 < dongs> and yes they do monitor traffic and shit
2015-06-25T08:42:06 < upgrdman> well i mean, my home router has a vpn server feature
2015-06-25T08:42:13 < dongs> why are you going to china
2015-06-25T08:42:15 < upgrdman> so i want to tunnel from china to my home
2015-06-25T08:42:15 < dongs> is a better question
2015-06-25T08:42:19 < dongs> you dont like to live?
2015-06-25T08:42:25 < upgrdman> business trip
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2015-06-25T08:43:16 < upgrdman> i'm gonna be pro trolling for a few weeks in shanghai
2015-06-25T08:47:14 < dongs> why do you need a vpn for anyway.
2015-06-25T08:47:19 < dongs> you got something to hide???
2015-06-25T08:47:22 < upgrdman> no
2015-06-25T08:47:32 < dongs> i kinda wanna go to china and fuck around but I dont have time really
2015-06-25T08:47:36 < dongs> tix is like $60 lolz
2015-06-25T08:47:46 < upgrdman> but im told that china blocks some things im used to. like youtube.
2015-06-25T08:47:56 < dongs> they do, but you dont need youtube for 2 weeks
2015-06-25T08:48:16 < upgrdman> i dont need it... but if trivial to work around, why not?
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2015-06-25T10:52:52 < dongs> http://uk.farnell.com/tektronix/dpo4bnd/application-module-analysis-test/dp/2458420 heh
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2015-06-25T11:02:35 < Ecco> what's that?
2015-06-25T11:08:53 < zyp> looks like a license dongle
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2015-06-25T11:16:08 < PeterM> iirc some models of tek scopes just have a spi flash on hte dongs you can justy dupe
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2015-06-25T11:33:19 < dongs> thats what it is
2015-06-25T11:33:24 < dongs> most expensive I2C eeprom
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2015-06-25T12:04:02 < scrts_w> somebody already donged it...
2015-06-25T12:04:24 < scrts_w> AFAIK this stuff was blogged somewhere and Tek forced the article to be removed :)
2015-06-25T12:12:45 < dongs> i knew this years before it got published on wasteoftimeaday
2015-06-25T12:12:59 < dongs> they didnt publish the proper way of haxing it too
2015-06-25T12:13:27 < scrts_w> just copy the f..ing eeprom?
2015-06-25T12:13:40 < scrts_w> or it's locked to Ser.No. ?
2015-06-25T12:16:27 < dongs> lol
2015-06-25T12:16:33 < dongs> its just the text  string
2015-06-25T12:16:37 < dongs> like DPO4BNDL or whatever
2015-06-25T12:16:40 < dongs> inside the eeprom
2015-06-25T12:16:41 < dongs> thats all.
2015-06-25T12:16:55 < dongs> but there's some sekret strings that can only get from scope firmware
2015-06-25T12:17:00 < dongs> they just blagged the public ones
2015-06-25T12:17:03 < dongs> aka names of modules
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2015-06-25T12:46:04 < _Sync_> dongs: on all the DPO3x and 4x series you can just LXI hax the options
2015-06-25T12:46:39 < dongs> oh?
2015-06-25T12:46:52 < dongs> webinterface shit?
2015-06-25T12:46:55 < _Sync_> yep
2015-06-25T12:47:22 < dongs> didnt know
2015-06-25T12:47:26 < _Sync_> pfft
2015-06-25T12:47:31 < dongs> do I need to turn my scope on to see/
2015-06-25T12:47:38 < _Sync_> that way you can also unlock de frequencies
2015-06-25T12:48:04 < dongs> this is tke, not rigLOL
2015-06-25T12:48:10 < _Sync_> yes
2015-06-25T12:48:20 < dongs> link to sauce then
2015-06-25T12:48:25 < _Sync_> I'm currently haxxing around to get ethernet decode running on my MDO3x
2015-06-25T12:48:28 < dongs> (i dont need it cuz i already have all options but for lolz)
2015-06-25T12:48:38 < dongs> isnt it just DPO3ENET or something?
2015-06-25T12:48:48 < _Sync_> there is no dpo3enet
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2015-06-25T12:48:53 < _Sync_> I have the option turned on
2015-06-25T12:48:56 < _Sync_> but no decoder
2015-06-25T12:48:59 < _Sync_> it is in the binary tho
2015-06-25T12:50:06 < dongs> i have ethernet on mine
2015-06-25T12:50:13 < dongs> wiht my megahax key
2015-06-25T12:50:24 < _Sync_> mdo3xxx?
2015-06-25T12:50:27 < _Sync_> or 4xxx?
2015-06-25T12:50:31 < dongs> 4x
2015-06-25T12:50:33 < _Sync_> ye
2015-06-25T12:50:36 < _Sync_> 4x has enet
2015-06-25T12:51:04 < _Sync_> http://rghost.net/7jXZr4XY6 dem open sores hax
2015-06-25T12:51:39 < dongs> looks pretty big
2015-06-25T12:52:04 < _Sync_> due to binaries in zip
2015-06-25T12:52:25 < dongs> python? rofl
2015-06-25T12:53:26 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/9bVYz550.html this is why I think python users should be fucking SHOT
2015-06-25T12:53:56 < ReadError> python is still much better than perl
2015-06-25T12:53:58 < _Sync_> gotta #yoloswag4jesus bruh
2015-06-25T12:55:37 < dongs> hm web interface is kinda chunky
2015-06-25T12:55:43 < dongs> the controls are dum
2015-06-25T12:55:50 < _Sync_> well
2015-06-25T12:55:52 < _Sync_> it works
2015-06-25T12:55:56 < _Sync_> nothing more
2015-06-25T12:56:09 < _Sync_> also how do you feel that your scope runs LUNEKS
2015-06-25T12:56:40 < dongs> i knew that already back in my dpo3k days
2015-06-25T12:56:46 < dongs> its lunix, on PPC, and ATI graphcis
2015-06-25T12:56:53 < dongs> the fail levels are mind-boggling
2015-06-25T12:57:09 < _Sync_> arent
2015-06-25T12:57:13 < _Sync_> they imx6?
2015-06-25T12:57:17 < dongs> haha no
2015-06-25T12:57:21 < _Sync_> my mdo is
2015-06-25T12:57:27 < dongs> 3k?
2015-06-25T12:57:28 < dongs> binary is PPC
2015-06-25T12:57:31 < _Sync_> no
2015-06-25T12:57:32 < Laurenceb> strollm32
2015-06-25T12:57:43 < dongs> DPO3k was PPC binary in firmware
2015-06-25T12:57:49  * Laurenceb found some loldongs on ED
2015-06-25T12:58:00 < dongs> i just ugpraded my mdo to 3.18 lets see wat t he shit is. i dont think i opened this firmware yet
2015-06-25T12:58:02 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/User:Jesuitx
2015-06-25T12:58:04 < dongs> for mdo
2015-06-25T12:58:14 < dongs> Laurenceb: that guy is on my g+ fagots list
2015-06-25T12:58:21 < dongs> youre late to the party
2015-06-25T12:59:23 < _Sync_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/12978643025/in/photostream/ dongs imx6
2015-06-25T13:02:07 < dongs> _Sync_:
2015-06-25T13:02:10 < dongs> scopeApp.ppcex
2015-06-25T13:02:12 < dongs> is PPC binary
2015-06-25T13:02:12 < dongs> 27megs.
2015-06-25T13:02:16 < dongs> which is like 80% of firmware.
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2015-06-25T13:13:24 < _Sync_> god is teks site slow
2015-06-25T13:16:11 < dongs> it is
2015-06-25T13:16:23 < dongs> is yours 3kB or 3k?
2015-06-25T13:16:27 < dongs> i wonder if B are imx
2015-06-25T13:16:33 < dongs> same for 4k
2015-06-25T13:17:27 < _Sync_> usr_1/share/modules/tek.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), BuildID[sha1]=0aaad162d39ce3a13552ece1b5d651b502a13b4a, not stripped
2015-06-25T13:17:34 < _Sync_> I'd say that's arm
2015-06-25T13:17:38 < _Sync_> MDO3104
2015-06-25T13:17:54 < dongs> tek.ko: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
2015-06-25T13:18:00 < dongs> yes but 3104B or not B
2015-06-25T13:18:14 < dongs> i would have much preferred to hax on ARM firmware
2015-06-25T13:18:23 < dongs> and then backport to PPC
2015-06-25T13:18:30 < _Sync_> scopeApp.imx6
2015-06-25T13:18:31 < dongs> as its probly just a rebuild etc
2015-06-25T13:18:35 < dongs> yeah.
2015-06-25T13:18:41 < dongs> so is it B model or not.
2015-06-25T13:18:47 < _Sync_> it has no b on it
2015-06-25T13:18:50 < dongs> hurrr.
2015-06-25T13:18:52 < dongs> wtf.
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2015-06-25T13:19:13 < _Sync_> I also have a pdf somewhere saying that mdo3000 and 4000 are imx6 lunix
2015-06-25T13:19:24 < _Sync_> their whole midrange is that shit
2015-06-25T13:19:37 < dongs> bro, i am looking at scopeApp.ppcx thats running on my scope right now
2015-06-25T13:19:55 < dongs> ./usr_1/local/bin/scopeApp.ppcex: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
2015-06-25T13:20:40 < dongs> thats fucktastic that they have totally different hardware like this, imagine how many bugs they have
2015-06-25T13:20:47 < dongs> then again, maybe its an advantage
2015-06-25T13:20:49 < _Sync_> ye mdo4000b is imx6 apparently
2015-06-25T13:20:54 < _Sync_> laguna platform
2015-06-25T13:21:00 < dongs> so they can build it on both LE and BE
2015-06-25T13:21:01 < dongs> heh
2015-06-25T13:21:23 < dongs> sux
2015-06-25T13:21:33 < _Sync_> http://www.kvc.com.my/EnterpriseChannel/SharedResources/Datasheet/10020466/?ProductId=1000056279&Filename=
2015-06-25T13:22:34 < dongs> both of my shits were ppc :(
2015-06-25T13:22:38 < _Sync_> ):
2015-06-25T13:22:39 < dongs> dpo3k was ppc and now this.
2015-06-25T13:22:43 < dongs> SHAFTED BOTH TIMES
2015-06-25T13:22:50 < _Sync_> [x] rekt
2015-06-25T13:23:11 < dongs> truly
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2015-06-25T13:24:09 < _Sync_> can you up me de ppc binary trash?
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2015-06-25T14:16:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nObH1R9ONw
2015-06-25T14:20:24 < Laurenceb> looks like a typical day at work
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2015-06-25T14:34:26 < Laurenceb> heh wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZpzav78sY
2015-06-25T14:42:38 < _Sync_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Motoco_01.jpg de fuk
2015-06-25T14:44:08 < Laurenceb> this is how i ride
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2015-06-25T15:08:09 < dongs> sup pros
2015-06-25T15:22:20 < jpa-> lazyness
2015-06-25T15:32:04 < kakimir_> isn't it you use in both device and coputer terminal male db9 connector for rs232?
2015-06-25T15:33:09 < jpa-> sometimes
2015-06-25T15:33:45 < jpa-> also sometimes you have the cable cross rx/tx and sometimes not
2015-06-25T15:33:56 < kakimir_> for that I made jumpers
2015-06-25T15:34:12 < kakimir_> such a sick detail
2015-06-25T15:34:41 < kakimir_> arent line signals crossed too when rx and tx are crossed?
2015-06-25T15:35:26 < jpa-> hopefully
2015-06-25T15:40:49 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_source
2015-06-25T15:41:30 < dongs>  just desperately want to see raw footage from the Zano, hopefully before they ship them out to people - Unless flying in still wind, I struggle to see how footage from a non-gimbal camera will look!
2015-06-25T15:42:05 < dongs> Key for me at the moment is how the raw unedited footage looks - would I upload any footage to a remote 'Zano Hosted' service on a regular basis? No, I'd probably just ship it up to YouTube which stabilises it, improves quality, colour etc for me and also hosts it for me to share on a proven and globally accepted standard platform. Seems madness to me to spend budget producing this HPC and therefore reinventing the wheel, although I do appreciate that kickstarter bud
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2015-06-25T15:47:52 < Laurenceb> trolling?
2015-06-25T15:47:57 < dongs> not at all
2015-06-25T15:48:45 < kakimir_> you mental dongs
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2015-06-25T15:51:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKqMSja_HR6-_O-mbO8fH4A
2015-06-25T15:51:51 < jpa-> i wonder if zano has cashed out already or if we'll see some updates about "delayed production" and "new cool features"
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2015-06-25T15:52:45 < dongs> jpa-: they're actually .. going through with it, as in,,,, actually going to attempte to ship SOMETHING
2015-06-25T15:52:51 < dongs> i have no idea why they even bother
2015-06-25T15:53:01 < dongs> their latest tweet says they received 20k packing boxes wiht zano logo on it...
2015-06-25T15:53:04 < dongs> facefuckingpalm
2015-06-25T15:53:14 < Laurenceb> shit in the boxes and ship turds?
2015-06-25T15:53:28 < dongs> thats like literally hte best thing they can do
2015-06-25T15:53:42 < jpa-> dongs: probably just means they aren't done laundering the money and have to fake a bit of stuff in the meanwhile
2015-06-25T15:53:53 < dongs> jpa-: ah ok, also possible
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2015-06-25T16:01:14 < Ecco> What's that zano thing?
2015-06-25T16:01:22 < dongs> https://www.etsy.com/listing/201964713/13-classic-red-fox-tail-butt-plug-real
2015-06-25T16:02:19 < Ecco> Oh, nice
2015-06-25T16:02:30 < Ecco> Just what I needed
2015-06-25T16:02:40 < Ecco> (yeah you're supposed to say that in a Mario voice)
2015-06-25T16:04:27 < Ecco> Are you guys talking about that handheld lawn mower?
2015-06-25T16:04:29 < Ecco> http://www.flyzano.com/zano-black/
2015-06-25T16:04:41 < dongs> yes
2015-06-25T16:04:52 < dongs> its an elaborate troll
2015-06-25T16:04:58 < Ecco> Why?
2015-06-25T16:05:13 < Ecco> it looks like yet another disposable drone
2015-06-25T16:05:14 < dongs> its impossible to do what they claim wiht hardware tehy have
2015-06-25T16:05:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-06-25T16:05:30 < dongs> like REALLY impossible
2015-06-25T16:05:51 < Ecco> Where are the specs?
2015-06-25T16:06:00 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-06-25T16:06:02 < Laurenceb> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/547307
2015-06-25T16:06:07 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
2015-06-25T16:06:08 < dongs> sopm,ewehre here
2015-06-25T16:06:09 < dongs> sec
2015-06-25T16:06:27 < Ecco> http://www.flyzano.com/about-zano/
2015-06-25T16:06:29 < dongs> http://www.torquinggroup.com/wiki/index.php/ZANO_features.#Fully_Functional_ZANO_Feature_List
2015-06-25T16:06:52 < Ecco> What does it advertise that you think is impossible?
2015-06-25T16:07:44 < jpa-> What does it advertise that you think is possible?
2015-06-25T16:07:49 < dongs> lol
2015-06-25T16:07:52 < dongs> yeah, really, ecco
2015-06-25T16:07:52 < Ecco> I don't know… flying?
2015-06-25T16:08:19 < jpa-> not for long with that battery/weight/motor combo
2015-06-25T16:08:28 < Ecco> Well, they advertise 15min
2015-06-25T16:08:34 < Ecco> 10 actually
2015-06-25T16:08:45 < dongs> similarly weighting chinese copters fly for 5
2015-06-25T16:08:53 < dongs> max.
2015-06-25T16:08:59 < Ecco> Maybe they have more efficient motors?
2015-06-25T16:09:07 < Ecco> I don't know if the chinese ones use brushless motors
2015-06-25T16:09:07 < dongs> they're brushed shitchina motors.
2015-06-25T16:09:20 < Ecco> here you go then
2015-06-25T16:09:26 < Ecco> brushless saves quite a lot
2015-06-25T16:09:32 < dongs> zano is not brushless.
2015-06-25T16:09:34 < Ecco> oh
2015-06-25T16:09:39 < dongs> < dongs> they're brushed shitchina motors.
2015-06-25T16:09:40 < dongs> zano.
2015-06-25T16:09:50 < jpa-> zano does however have a revolutionary new way to drive DC motors IIRC
2015-06-25T16:09:55 < Ecco> I thought you were talking about the chinese copters
2015-06-25T16:10:00 < jpa-> no details though
2015-06-25T16:10:22 < dongs> Tracking of a set target through image processing. ("Follow me" capability is available right away through ZANO's Virtual Tether operation.)
2015-06-25T16:10:22 < zyp> jpa-, you mean h-bridge
2015-06-25T16:10:25 < dongs> loool
2015-06-25T16:10:42 < Ecco> Oh, well, ok this they'll probably won't be able to do
2015-06-25T16:10:42 < dongs> folow me through jpeg decode on 200mhz pic32 with 500k ram
2015-06-25T16:10:48 < dongs> "probably"?
2015-06-25T16:10:54 < Ecco> yeah right :)
2015-06-25T16:10:57 < dongs> Ecco: tehy wont even be able to get those frames off the camera at 30fps
2015-06-25T16:11:02 < dongs> that is a fact
2015-06-25T16:11:04 < Ecco> I have no idea what "320 DMIPS" translates to
2015-06-25T16:11:10 < dongs> Ecco: its PIC32MZ.
2015-06-25T16:11:14 < Ecco> ok
2015-06-25T16:11:20 < Ecco> yeah ok :)
2015-06-25T16:11:21 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/press-release/microchips-pic32mz-32-bit-mcus.html
2015-06-25T16:11:35 < Ecco> indeed
2015-06-25T16:11:35 < dongs> Facial recognition capability
2015-06-25T16:11:36 < dongs> haha
2015-06-25T16:11:43 < dongs> Swarming capability! A user will be able to control multiple ZANO.s from one device, this will enable photographs and video of the same event from Multiple Vantage Points.
2015-06-25T16:11:44 < Ecco> :-D
2015-06-25T16:11:47 < dongs> haha
2015-06-25T16:11:53 < dongs> wow that wiki is awesome
2015-06-25T16:11:56 < Ecco> Yeah you're right
2015-06-25T16:12:05 < Ecco> it'll probably be yet another RC drone
2015-06-25T16:12:12 < Ecco> that just flies :)
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2015-06-25T16:13:44 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_N8eHTk-Y this is whats possible wiht current tech. 55grams, same battery, ~same motors/props. has a dedicated wifi+h264 encoder asic for the camera (separate module), and some corex0m for the flight stuff. no gps/obstable/etc. 5 minutes flight time.
2015-06-25T16:14:01 < Ecco> hmm, 5min is pretty low
2015-06-25T16:14:13 < dongs> price is $68
2015-06-25T16:14:17 < Ecco> Nice
2015-06-25T16:14:18 < dongs> zanoscam is like $260
2015-06-25T16:14:24 < dongs> and doesnt / cant work
2015-06-25T16:14:30 < Ecco> wait
2015-06-25T16:14:38 < Ecco> $68 including the remote with this huge-ass LCD?
2015-06-25T16:14:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=45&v=GKPOsf0qV2k
2015-06-25T16:14:52 < dongs> yes
2015-06-25T16:14:56 < dongs> this is what video from it looks like
2015-06-25T16:14:59 < Ecco> I can't believe it
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2015-06-25T16:15:03 < dongs> remote is just your shitphone
2015-06-25T16:15:08 < Ecco> even the screen itself would cost half of that
2015-06-25T16:15:08 < dongs> err, remote = lcd
2015-06-25T16:15:13 < dongs> nah
2015-06-25T16:15:43 < Ecco> well, I've been looking up LCD prices quite a lot lately
2015-06-25T16:15:48 < Ecco> and they arene't exactly very very cheap
2015-06-25T16:15:50 < dongs> hmmm wait
2015-06-25T16:15:54 < dongs> maybe they are including the screen now
2015-06-25T16:15:58 < Ecco> especially at this size (looks like 4" +)
2015-06-25T16:16:00 < dongs> their promo video shows a phone
2015-06-25T16:16:04 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-25T16:16:08 < dongs> but that unboxing looks like a screen indeed
2015-06-25T16:16:14 < dongs> the right side has a phone but left side not.
2015-06-25T16:16:14 < jpa-> i wonder why quadcopters are so popular and FPV rc planes are not
2015-06-25T16:16:17 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_N8eHTk-Y
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2015-06-25T16:16:22 < Ecco> at 15m
2015-06-25T16:16:25 < Ecco> there's a remote with a screen
2015-06-25T16:16:44 < Ecco> I love RC planes
2015-06-25T16:16:49 < Ecco> So much nicer than copters :)
2015-06-25T16:17:58 < dongs> ecco
2015-06-25T16:18:02 < dongs> the one wiht monitor is the CX_30S
2015-06-25T16:18:04 < dongs> its $90
2015-06-25T16:18:07 < Ecco> oh, ok :)
2015-06-25T16:18:13 < dongs> so ~$20 bux extra
2015-06-25T16:18:16 < Ecco> Makes sense
2015-06-25T16:18:28 < Ecco> very good deal though
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2015-06-25T16:18:46 < dongs> anyway, this exists now, works, and is acutally usable
2015-06-25T16:18:51 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-06-25T16:18:52 < dongs> doens't advertise anything impossible
2015-06-25T16:18:56 < dongs> flies for "5-6minutes"
2015-06-25T16:18:58 < dongs> which i can believe
2015-06-25T16:19:07 < dongs> if you take 450mAh abttery it comes with
2015-06-25T16:19:14 < dongs> and calculate that over "10-15 minutes"
2015-06-25T16:19:14 < Ecco> quad copters are a huge waste of energy though
2015-06-25T16:19:21 < dongs> the math for current consumption doesnt even add up
2015-06-25T16:19:29 < _Sync_> jpa-: you need moar space for them
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2015-06-25T16:19:45 < Ecco> Well, i've been flying a MicroBeast lately
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2015-06-25T16:20:08 < dongs> isnt that heli shti
2015-06-25T16:20:10 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp1D-E-TjBw
2015-06-25T16:20:12 < dongs> overpriced heli shit at taht
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2015-06-25T16:20:17 < Ecco> It's awesome
2015-06-25T16:20:17 < dongs> o
2015-06-25T16:20:45 < Ecco> It requites some skills though
2015-06-25T16:20:47 < jpa-> _Sync_: yeah, i've been wondering if one could make a very slowly flying RC plane so it would be more suitable for small areas
2015-06-25T16:20:50 < jpa-> can't see why not
2015-06-25T16:20:54 < Ecco> an unexperimented pilot would crash it in less than a second
2015-06-25T16:21:09 < Ecco> jpa-: If they fly too slow, you need 0 wind
2015-06-25T16:21:15 < Ecco> planes are very sensitive to wind
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2015-06-25T16:21:30 < Ecco> I've had an indoor plane that you could fly in a living room
2015-06-25T16:21:36 < Ecco> (rubber powered, total weight under a gram)
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2015-06-25T16:21:50 < Ecco> It was fun, and flew at like 20cm/sec
2015-06-25T16:21:57 < Ecco> maybe even less
2015-06-25T16:22:03 < dongs> Hardware - A MicroSD card socket has been added and the firmware/app support for this will also be added. This supports local storage of photos and video.
2015-06-25T16:22:07 < dongs> Software - Zano will support 1080p video.
2015-06-25T16:22:17 < _Sync_> jpa-: very slow means, very slow turning
2015-06-25T16:22:20 < _Sync_> thus large area
2015-06-25T16:22:25 < dongs> Hardware - The Zano camera is modular, we already have a FLIR LEPTON Thermal imaging module that can be used with Zano, we will also design and develop new, better quality camera modules with the aim of releasing OIS (optical image stabilised) modules. As they are completed and the firmware has been updated to support these modules we will make them available on www.flyzano.com.
2015-06-25T16:22:37 < _Sync_> a yolo depron delta will corner like fuck
2015-06-25T16:22:40 < _Sync_> but is also fast
2015-06-25T16:23:06 < dongs> Hardware - Tiltable camera. This will be manually adjustable but this will be done.
2015-06-25T16:23:14 < dongs> Hardware - UV Leds. To support glow in the dark and other neat functions, Zano will now have four UV leds on the top side of the flight frame arms. These are controllable independently of all other functions.
2015-06-25T16:23:18 < dongs> thats iportant
2015-06-25T16:23:25 < jpa-> _Sync_: ah, too bad
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2015-06-25T16:24:37 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-25T16:24:46 < Laurenceb> how is this ever going to get off the ground
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2015-06-25T16:29:14 < dongs> my personal list of questions:
2015-06-25T16:29:14 < dongs> 1. where are the videos of a flying ZANO (outside) you promised?
2015-06-25T16:29:14 < dongs> 2. where are the videos from the onboard camera?
2015-06-25T16:29:14 < dongs> 3. where are the videos taken from the app in action?
2015-06-25T16:29:15 < dongs> 4. when will the iOS and the Android apps be available?
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2015-06-25T16:29:45 < dongs> bah
2015-06-25T16:29:50 < dongs> zano posted a "bakers only" update
2015-06-25T16:29:53 < dongs> about some "slight delay"
2015-06-25T16:30:00 < specing> zano this zano that
2015-06-25T16:30:02 < dongs> now I need to bribe someone to paste it for me
2015-06-25T16:30:07 < specing> offtopic
2015-06-25T16:30:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zup0ULbt2oY
2015-06-25T16:38:49 < superbia> should rename to ##zano
2015-06-25T16:40:15 < specing>  /ban dongs +f##zano
2015-06-25T16:40:19 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-25T16:40:37 < Laurenceb> shit this room game is hard
2015-06-25T16:40:45 < Laurenceb> you have to actually watch the film
2015-06-25T16:40:51 < specing> dongs produces like 50% of all text here
2015-06-25T16:41:00 < specing> this room would be much better without him
2015-06-25T16:41:12 < specing> and 100% of that text is offtopic
2015-06-25T16:41:49 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-06-25T16:42:02 < specing> and 15% swearing about altium and circuitmaker
2015-06-25T16:42:12 < specing> which is offtopic on this network
2015-06-25T16:43:13 < specing> maybe dongs's mom locked him into the basement and he has nothing else to do but spam ##stm32 all day
2015-06-25T16:44:04 < dongs>  I'm excited about getting the Zano but the fact that we haven't seen any footage yet or seen a working finished unit makes everything seem a little suspect
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2015-06-25T16:45:16 < specing> you are excited? You have been insulting Zano for the past year
2015-06-25T16:45:23 < specing> ?_?
2015-06-25T16:45:30 < _Sync_> stockholm syndrome
2015-06-25T16:45:44 < zyp> duh, that's obviously a quote
2015-06-25T16:46:18 < superbia> ~lolo
2015-06-25T16:46:25 < superbia> you actualy that stupid to order that shit
2015-06-25T16:46:34 < aandrew> heh
2015-06-25T16:46:36 < superbia> your dickstarter foo is very low
2015-06-25T16:46:49 < aandrew> maybe it's running Linux
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2015-06-25T16:47:06 < aandrew> (trying to get dongs wound up)
2015-06-25T16:47:14 < dongs> zamo?
2015-06-25T16:47:20 < dongs> its running amazing ZANO OS
2015-06-25T16:47:26 < Fleck> +1 specing
2015-06-25T16:47:27 < dongs> written in hand-optimized MIPS ASM
2015-06-25T16:47:38 < superbia> in a picka32
2015-06-25T16:48:05 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1285714478/the-flying-pig-pig?ref=category
2015-06-25T16:48:17 < aandrew> it is funny how they have an update staying everything is done and it's just in EMC but the update consists of nothing but two dudes talking.
2015-06-25T16:49:14 < aandrew> dongs: is that the zano kickstarter?
2015-06-25T16:49:23 < dongs> no, that one at least is possible
2015-06-25T16:49:24 < Laurenceb> coming to a mosque near you
2015-06-25T16:50:33 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/877/904/5d5c4dbe86713c093a5cf058c4dab8fd_original.jpg?v=1432841616&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=fa78298120c1942db1cb5caf04bae0a1
2015-06-25T16:50:36 < dongs> haha
2015-06-25T16:50:39 < dongs> SYMA-K1-IR right on the pcb
2015-06-25T16:50:47 < dongs> thats that china shitcopter control board
2015-06-25T16:52:23 < PeterM> i watched like 20 secs of that video dongs, footballer guy looks like hes happy to rip people off, other guy looks like he wants to kill himself
2015-06-25T16:52:38 < dongs> i'm sure he does by now
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2015-06-25T16:53:44 < aandrew> any reason to use freertos "official" over the stm32cubef4 version?
2015-06-25T16:54:21 < dongs> < aandrew> any reason to use freertos
2015-06-25T16:54:22 < dongs> ftfy
2015-06-25T16:54:25 < dongs> why not just use RTX?
2015-06-25T16:54:30 < dongs> free, cmsis-os compliant, BSD licensed
2015-06-25T16:54:36 < dongs> written by people at arm who know what they'er doing
2015-06-25T16:54:40 < dongs> supports m0/m3/m4
2015-06-25T16:54:43 < aandrew> don't know. never heard of it and looking for some tips
2015-06-25T16:55:10 < dongs> https://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/RTX/html/index.html
2015-06-25T16:55:13 < aandrew> will add that to the (short) list of things to check out
2015-06-25T16:55:26 < aandrew> oh. keil. automatic fail.
2015-06-25T16:55:35 < dongs> ???
2015-06-25T16:55:40 < dongs> it builds with gcc.
2015-06-25T16:55:44 < dongs> they're not racist, unlike gcc faggots
2015-06-25T16:55:48 < dongs> who make  thier shit only usable wiht gcc.
2015-06-25T16:56:22 < aandrew> is it supported with gcc? do I have to use their shitty gui and build environment for any aspect of RTX?
2015-06-25T16:56:31 < dongs> no you dont have to do anything
2015-06-25T16:56:37 < dongs> its just like ~15 .c files
2015-06-25T16:56:41 < aandrew> hm
2015-06-25T16:56:42 < dongs> and cmsis-os.h
2015-06-25T16:56:54 < aandrew> I'll take a look. very, very wary of anything Keil
2015-06-25T16:56:56 < dongs> they have prebuilt .a's for arm or gcc, or you can build y our own if you want
2015-06-25T16:57:03 < aandrew> they're like the Dell of embedded.
2015-06-25T16:57:08 < dongs> shrug
2015-06-25T16:57:26 < dongs> i had a rtx app running with 2 threads , with keil debugger showing me thread status information and stuff realtime, in like 5 minutes
2015-06-25T16:57:44 < aandrew> I can believe it
2015-06-25T16:57:56 < dongs> for feeRTOS i'd probably spend an hour dickign wiht makefiles
2015-06-25T16:58:25 < zyp> aandrew, is that meant as an insult? dell is pretty decent at getting shit done
2015-06-25T16:59:05 < aandrew> zyp: their shit works but if you have to open the case you're stuck with just-off proprietary crap
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2015-06-25T16:59:42 < ReadError> dell does much more than consumer desktop pcs...
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2015-06-25T17:00:03 < zyp> oh, I've never bought a consumer desktop pc from dell
2015-06-25T17:00:03 < aandrew> yep. they rebrand peripherals too. :-)
2015-06-25T17:00:10 < zyp> but I've had a couple of laptops and monitors
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2015-06-25T17:00:19 < ReadError> they do storage, servers, networking shit
2015-06-25T17:01:22 < zyp> a couple of weeks ago I called dell about some miscoloring issues I had on a monitor I bought almost three years ago
2015-06-25T17:01:25 < aandrew> right. I've not dealt with that side of them
2015-06-25T17:01:41 < zyp> the day after, I got a new monitor delivered to my door just before 8AM
2015-06-25T17:03:05 < aandrew> right. their support is good. I expect Keil is the same
2015-06-25T17:03:05 < zyp> ended up being a free upgrade to the generation after my old monitor as well
2015-06-25T17:03:32 < aandrew> but I don't want support if it means proprietary shit in my project. it's not a black box to me.
2015-06-25T17:04:03 < ReadError> do you run a lunix desktop aandrew?
2015-06-25T17:04:05 < zyp> I thought dongs said BSD licensed
2015-06-25T17:04:14 < aandrew> nope actually I don'
2015-06-25T17:04:18 < aandrew> don't
2015-06-25T17:04:29 < aandrew> right and he said it'll build under gcc
2015-06-25T17:04:36 < aandrew> I'll give it a look
2015-06-25T17:05:27 < dongs> it is bsd
2015-06-25T17:05:28 < aandrew> if I don't need to license anything and I'm not stuck with their compiler/IDE maybe they're learning something
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2015-06-25T17:48:13 < dongs> what's happening
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2015-06-25T17:51:31 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1_3JC5kimw0
2015-06-25T17:51:43 < dongs> https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1896850_10207698729132456_6548905644764060106_n.jpg?oh=d653e53a85c47888116042487980628e&oe=56320BC9
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2015-06-25T17:53:48 < Laurenceb> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/982/635/170.jpg
2015-06-25T17:56:10 < PeterM> classic
2015-06-25T17:56:11 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/jU0WUC0.gif
2015-06-25T17:57:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsTyjVnZBww
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2015-06-25T18:52:43 < dongs> attn zyp http://i.imgur.com/jnVvOtI.png
2015-06-25T18:53:19 < _Sync_> Druk op Enter
2015-06-25T18:53:22 < _Sync_> > dutch
2015-06-25T18:56:45 < zyp> dongs, sounds good, I'll keep that in mind for next month
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2015-06-25T18:57:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.boss3chair.com/
2015-06-25T18:57:44 < Laurenceb> not the sort of BOSS i was expecting
2015-06-25T18:58:33 < zyp> dongs, obtw, I might be dicking around in kyushu in a few weeks
2015-06-25T18:58:45 < zyp> I'd buy you a beer, but I seem to recall that you don't drink
2015-06-25T18:58:51 < dongs> you are correct
2015-06-25T18:58:57 < dongs> watcha doing
2015-06-25T18:59:00 < dongs> jsut fucking around again?
2015-06-25T18:59:23 < zyp> yeah
2015-06-25T18:59:27 < emeb> Laurenceb: when someone puts you in that chair, can you be said to have been "embossed"?
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2015-06-25T18:59:58 < zyp> got one of those seven-day train passes again, but none of my pals cared to make a plan, so I'm just going to improvise something this year
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2015-06-25T19:00:05 < zyp> and I haven't been to kyushu yet
2015-06-25T19:00:09 < dongs> heh
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2015-06-25T19:01:31 < _Sync_> de fuck does it work Laurenceb without xrays, or is it just a regular metal detector?
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2015-06-25T19:01:48 < Laurenceb> I dunno lol
2015-06-25T19:01:57 < Laurenceb> maybe I should kill someone and find out
2015-06-25T19:02:07 < _Sync_> ah
2015-06-25T19:02:10 < _Sync_> it is a metal detector
2015-06-25T19:02:25 < _Sync_> well, I guess crooks are gonna upgrade to carbonfiber or ceramics
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2015-06-25T19:02:30 < zyp> anyway, I can give you a shout when I'm in the area, even if you don't want the beer :p
2015-06-25T19:02:49 < dongs> sounds good
2015-06-25T19:06:46 < dongs> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/anesthesiologist-trashes-sedated-patient-jury-orders-her-to-pay-500000/2015/06/23/cae05c00-18f3-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html
2015-06-25T19:06:49 < dongs> haha attn Laurenceb
2015-06-25T19:06:56 < emeb> Saw that yesterday
2015-06-25T19:07:18 < emeb> audio recorders ftw
2015-06-25T19:07:57 < Laurenceb> It’s probably tuberculosis in the penis, so you’ll be all right
2015-06-25T19:07:59 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-06-25T19:09:13 < emeb> Laurenceb: does UK healthcare practice recommend *everyone* get the anal probe like here in the US?
2015-06-25T19:09:24 < Laurenceb> lolno
2015-06-25T19:09:29 < Laurenceb> never heard of it being done
2015-06-25T19:09:53 < emeb> I suspect it's a big scam by the gastroenterologists to drum up business.
2015-06-25T19:11:20 < Tectu> hello dongs
2015-06-25T19:11:38 < _Sync_> kek what a troll
2015-06-25T19:13:23 < _Sync_> >  loss of sleep for several months.
2015-06-25T19:13:23 < _Sync_> srs
2015-06-25T19:13:39 < _Sync_> he should hear EMTs mocking their patients
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2015-06-25T19:15:59 < Laurenceb> yeah I've hear worse
2015-06-25T19:16:34 < Laurenceb> I work in a hospital, but medical physics so I dont see a lot
2015-06-25T19:16:37 < Laurenceb> *heard
2015-06-25T19:16:49 < emeb> If you can't insult someone when they're helpless, when can you?
2015-06-25T19:19:02 < _Sync_> I'm a first responder shit that is pulled behind the doors is insane
2015-06-25T19:20:55 < emeb> You kind of expect that - low pay, stressful conditions, seeing people at their worst.
2015-06-25T19:22:00 < emeb> But high-paid professionals talking about falsifying medical records in an office setting. Unprofessional and just fucking stupid.
2015-06-25T19:22:28 < _Sync_> yeah falsifying the records if stupid
2015-06-25T19:22:37 < _Sync_> but shittalking, pfft
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2015-06-25T19:29:07 < emeb> the big problem that's coming down the road is that people are being monitored in settings that they'd previously assumed to be private.
2015-06-25T19:30:30 < emeb> so behavior that they used to get away with is now more often accountable. Sucks if you get caught because you assumed no one was watching but they actually were.
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2015-06-25T19:47:09 < jadew> I find it weird that the guy won
2015-06-25T19:47:33 < jadew> they were just joking
2015-06-25T19:47:55 < jadew> mean jokes, but still jokes and the guy was unconscious, they weren't trying to hurt his feelings
2015-06-25T19:48:06 < jprimeau> Did anyone here was at the STM32 hands-on seminar in Montreal last week? If so, do you remember the presenters names? Also, anyone knows the name of the sales guy in the Montreal area? Thanks!
2015-06-25T19:52:05 < _Sync_> jadew: probably because they falsified the records
2015-06-25T19:52:38 < emeb> plus don't forget - America, lawyers, money.
2015-06-25T19:53:10 < jadew> _Sync_, I must have skipped on that part, I know they talked about it, but did they actually did it?
2015-06-25T19:53:27 < jadew> I was under the impression that they were just joking
2015-06-25T19:53:47 < _Sync_> I think it says they did it
2015-06-25T19:54:23 < jadew> yeah, I don't think they did
2015-06-25T19:54:26 < jadew> it was all a joke
2015-06-25T19:54:31 < jadew> "In addition to their vicious commentary, the doctors discussed avoiding the man after the colonoscopy, instructing an assistant to lie to him, and then placed a false diagnosis on his chart."
2015-06-25T19:55:02 < jadew> that was part of the joke - at least that's how I understood it
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2015-06-25T19:55:19 < jadew> and I don't think it actually happened
2015-06-25T19:55:19 < emeb> the summary is unclear about what was actually written in the record.
2015-06-25T19:55:29 < jadew> because it wasn't fake
2015-06-25T19:55:37 < jadew> if it was, it would be stated
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2015-06-25T19:56:07 < jadew> so someone got punished for making a joke at the workplace
2015-06-25T19:56:30 < _Sync_> ye
2015-06-25T19:56:49 < jadew> and they weren't even trying to offend anyone
2015-06-25T19:56:55 < jadew> it's probably just their brand of humor
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2015-06-25T19:58:36 < jadew> IMO, that guy should be sued for snooping on a private conversation
2015-06-25T19:59:22 < jadew> piece of shit
2015-06-25T20:00:13 < emeb> "Your Honor, the plaintiff had anesthetized the defendant and expected privacy!"
2015-06-25T20:00:27 < jadew> exactly
2015-06-25T20:00:37 < emeb> lol
2015-06-25T20:02:05 < jadew> if the anesthesy didn't hold and he overheard that, that would be different
2015-06-25T20:02:12 < jadew> he would deserve _appologies_
2015-06-25T20:02:16 < jadew> but that's it
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2015-06-25T20:03:53 < jadew> it's like getting a contract to design something or write a piece of code and the guy who contracts you puts a screen recorder on your PC, without letting you know
2015-06-25T20:04:07 < jadew> then he sues you cuz you were looking at offending pictures
2015-06-25T20:04:16 < jadew> or laughing at sexist jokes
2015-06-25T20:05:11 < jadew> I think the moral offender here was the patient
2015-06-25T20:06:07 < PeterM> There is nothign illegal about being an asshole
2015-06-25T20:06:21 < jadew> and they weren't even assholes, that's the thing
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2015-06-25T20:06:39 < jadew> they would have been assholes if they did it for him to hear
2015-06-25T20:06:57 < jadew> but they didn't, they were just dealing with boredom in their own way
2015-06-25T20:07:20 < PeterM> True, they respected  his "feelings" by saying it when he couldn't be expected to hear - albeit he did accidentally hear it.
2015-06-25T20:08:34 < emeb> FTA: “These types of conversations,” testified Kathryn E. McGoldrick, former president of the Academy of Anesthesiology, “are not only offensive but frankly stupid, because we can never be certain that our patients are asleep and wouldn’t have recall.”
2015-06-25T20:12:51 < PeterM> but noone has a right to not be offended and nobody has a right to not let others be stupid
2015-06-25T20:13:28 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
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2015-06-25T20:44:17 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM1dnZ19uVEVQV0E/view?usp=sharing getting there
2015-06-25T20:45:11 < kakimir_> all connectors and jumpers are to be with dual sided labels to be used with male or female connector
2015-06-25T20:45:52 < kakimir_> jumpers for x'ed lines
2015-06-25T20:46:26 < kakimir_> logic lines are all with their own ground connections
2015-06-25T20:47:01 < kakimir_> my guru said if it doesn't have equally ground it's bad
2015-06-25T20:48:22 < kakimir_> you see my kicad skills are not yet totally polished
2015-06-25T20:53:52 < jadew> what's with those anemic traces?
2015-06-25T20:54:11 < kakimir_> need to tune it a bit
2015-06-25T20:54:23 < kakimir_> some may stay that way
2015-06-25T20:54:41 < jadew> looks like most of them can be at least doubled
2015-06-25T20:54:50 < kakimir_> yes
2015-06-25T20:55:00 < kakimir_> ok all of them
2015-06-25T20:55:07 < kakimir_> and power lines tripled
2015-06-25T20:56:16 < jadew> in case you don't know, you can select a new trace width, put your mouse over the trace and hit E
2015-06-25T20:57:02 < kakimir_> and it's been replaced with thicker trace?
2015-06-25T20:57:09 < jadew> yeah
2015-06-25T20:57:18 < kakimir_> nice
2015-06-25T20:57:32 < kakimir_> I was wondering about just that
2015-06-25T21:00:39 < kakimir_> kicad rules
2015-06-25T21:01:11 < jadew> it's decent, but it could use a few more features
2015-06-25T21:01:35 < kakimir_> few more are comming
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2015-06-25T21:02:30 < jadew> for one, I'd like teardrop connections to pads, smooth change from one trace width to another, custom shape pads
2015-06-25T21:02:50 < jadew> that's not one
2015-06-25T21:03:06 < jadew> anyway, there are plenty of things it can improve on
2015-06-25T21:03:46 < jadew> and I'd like more RF stuff
2015-06-25T21:03:57 < kakimir_> that smooth thing would be great
2015-06-25T21:04:12 < kakimir_> but cant you do it with some extra line?
2015-06-25T21:04:23 < jadew> sure, but it's annoying
2015-06-25T21:04:23 < kakimir_> and pain
2015-06-25T21:04:43 < kakimir_> it's annoying and not very editable
2015-06-25T21:04:59 < jadew> I did a RF board a while ago and I had to do the RF trace with poligon pours, between all the components
2015-06-25T21:06:03 < kakimir_> why so?
2015-06-25T21:06:06 < jadew> anyway, it's better than the alternatives for that price
2015-06-25T21:06:23 < jadew> they didn't have to end in a round shape
2015-06-25T21:06:51 < jadew> I needed them to converge on the footprint of the componenets they were connecting
2015-06-25T21:07:32 < jadew> (the trace was much wider than the components)
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2015-06-25T22:56:22 < Laurenceb__> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/381187230982?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&rlsatarget=&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108
2015-06-25T22:56:25 < Laurenceb__> epic fail
2015-06-25T22:58:11 < Laurenceb__> maybe its only banned in murica
2015-06-25T23:07:27 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic
2015-06-25T23:09:01 < Laurenceb__> wow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Shark_2:_Urban_Jaws
2015-06-25T23:09:21 < Laurenceb__> One scene in the film features actors George Hardy (Troll 2), Juliette Danielle (The Room), and Alan Bagh (Birdemic: Shock and Terror) in small roles.
2015-06-25T23:09:24 < Laurenceb__> have to watch this
2015-06-25T23:10:52 < _Sync_> what a cock Steffanx
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2015-06-25T23:11:41 < Steffanx> doesn't matter _Sync_
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2015-06-25T23:14:03 < Laurenceb__> lol @ Scott Pilgrim
2015-06-25T23:19:42 < scummos> haha "Birdemic: Shock and Terror"
2015-06-25T23:20:35 < emeb> Not everything is Epic, but apparently "Everything is Awesome"
2015-06-25T23:20:42 < superbia> sick is sick.
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2015-06-25T23:23:13 < Laurenceb__> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37642.msg1394038#msg1394038
2015-06-25T23:23:34 < Laurenceb__> I'm going to run Windows XP on it
2015-06-25T23:37:49 < Steffanx> going to run windows on ubuntu Laurenceb__?
2015-06-25T23:38:02 < Laurenceb__> yup
2015-06-25T23:38:44 < Laurenceb__> looks like all the EM drive guys got trolled :D
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2015-06-26T04:20:02 < dongs> sup problogs
2015-06-26T04:26:43 < GargantuaSauce> neither professionalism nor blogging
2015-06-26T04:27:54 < emeb> fapping at random
2015-06-26T04:30:01 < dongs> aw fuck
2015-06-26T04:30:08 < dongs> missed last chance to get 5% off verical
2015-06-26T04:30:11 < dongs> too stoned
2015-06-26T04:30:31 < emeb> party's over.
2015-06-26T04:30:43 < emeb> wait till next time - there will be a next time.
2015-06-26T04:30:48 < GargantuaSauce> the party is never over
2015-06-26T04:33:22 < emeb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZjtufbRZwA
2015-06-26T04:34:06 < GargantuaSauce> i would be tempted to yank on those
2015-06-26T04:34:16 < GargantuaSauce> then his party would be over.
2015-06-26T04:35:59 < emeb> but... but... you said...
2015-06-26T04:36:23 < GargantuaSauce> his party is but a small facet of THE party
2015-06-26T04:36:26 < GargantuaSauce> get with it dude
2015-06-26T04:36:49 < emeb> til
2015-06-26T04:36:57 < dongs> https://github.com/cleanflight/cleanflight/commit/26e950b43385f539cc3a26cac294f69d70af6d33 so clean wow much skill
2015-06-26T04:38:05 < GargantuaSauce> not pro enough, shoulda put the ternary right in the parameter expression
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2015-06-26T05:05:50 < dongs> also original code has less divisions in code path
2015-06-26T05:08:14 < GargantuaSauce> i didnt even notice the /0
2015-06-26T05:08:20 < dongs> :D
2015-06-26T05:08:24 < dongs> that was kinda the point
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2015-06-26T05:58:49 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZjtufbRZwA&feature=youtu.be
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2015-06-26T06:09:56 < ReadError> lol you need a 35 part checklist for a game?? thats hardcore
2015-06-26T06:15:15 < dongs> wat shitty sim is that
2015-06-26T06:15:59 < dongs> is that dcs or something?
2015-06-26T06:17:26 < upgrdman> dcs == dicks?
2015-06-26T06:18:30 < dongs> too hardcore for me
2015-06-26T06:19:01 < ReadError> only flightsim dongs would play is 9/11 simulator
2015-06-26T06:19:29 < dongs> yes
2015-06-26T06:21:05 < dongs> https://www.pololu.com/product/1204 dat size
2015-06-26T06:21:42 < ReadError> aww its so cute
2015-06-26T06:29:34 < ReadError> ip conflict?
2015-06-26T06:29:39 < ReadError> its lunix, ssh to it, run dmesg
2015-06-26T06:29:51 < dongs> > the reason
2015-06-26T06:29:52 < dongs> its lunix
2015-06-26T06:29:56 < dongs> therefore trash by design
2015-06-26T06:29:57 < dongs> ^_^
2015-06-26T06:30:16 < ReadError> get putty
2015-06-26T06:30:20 < ReadError> or something
2015-06-26T06:30:32 < ReadError> connect to the ip using root/pw or admin/pw
2015-06-26T06:30:38 < ReadError> you will have a shell
2015-06-26T06:30:42 < ReadError> then type 'dmesg'
2015-06-26T06:33:20 < ReadError> erm
2015-06-26T06:33:22 < ReadError> ping
2015-06-26T06:33:30 < ReadError> or really you should just know it..
2015-06-26T06:33:34 < ReadError> 22
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2015-06-26T06:35:21 < ReadError> whats the name of it on your network?
2015-06-26T06:35:25 < ReadError> DISKSTATION or something?
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2015-06-26T06:35:32 < dongs> dickstation
2015-06-26T06:35:36 < dongs> more like dickscab
2015-06-26T06:36:39 < ReadError> you might need to enable ssh
2015-06-26T06:36:41 < ReadError> in the webgui
2015-06-26T06:38:35 < ReadError> Terminal & SNMP
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2015-06-26T06:40:56 < ReadError> do you see any errors?
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2015-06-26T06:41:03 < ReadError> hastebin it or something
2015-06-26T06:41:30 < ReadError> also do this
2015-06-26T06:41:36 < ReadError> cd /var/log
2015-06-26T06:41:42 < ReadError> cat messages
2015-06-26T06:42:55 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/cSBD50g.jpg
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2015-06-26T06:43:02 < ReadError> check out these high quality clones
2015-06-26T06:43:12 < ReadError> they must have used a 2mm stencil or some shit to get all that paste
2015-06-26T06:43:53 < dongs> lolz
2015-06-26T06:44:07 < dongs> which cloneshop is that from
2015-06-26T06:44:15 < ReadError> battrc i tink
2015-06-26T06:44:25 < ReadError> yup
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2015-06-26T06:44:28 < ReadError> your link is flapping
2015-06-26T06:44:38 < ReadError> chances are its cable or switch
2015-06-26T06:44:44 < dongs> dinkdown
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2015-06-26T06:46:13 < ReadError> also
2015-06-26T06:46:18 < ReadError> goto Hardware & Power
2015-06-26T06:46:24 < ReadError> then HDD Hibernation
2015-06-26T06:46:46 < ReadError> yea
2015-06-26T06:46:58 < ReadError> using an external HDD or just internal?
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2015-06-26T06:47:51 < ReadError> it looks like its putting the disk to sleep though too
2015-06-26T06:48:32 < ReadError> so ya
2015-06-26T06:48:35 < ReadError> do this
2015-06-26T06:48:52 < ReadError> cat /var/log/dmesg
2015-06-26T06:48:56 < ReadError> it should have timestamps
2015-06-26T06:49:16 < ReadError> then you can see if it corresponds w/ the 20 mins
2015-06-26T06:52:41 < ReadError> what are the timestamps
2015-06-26T06:55:46 < dongs> windows 2008 R2
2015-06-26T06:57:07 < dongs> then enjoy shitty lunix
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2015-06-26T07:06:03 < ReadError> R2COM i would try changing router ports
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2015-06-26T07:06:05 < ReadError> and cable
2015-06-26T07:06:10 < ReadError> shit happens
2015-06-26T07:06:20 < ReadError> update as well
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2015-06-26T07:48:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0x3p0vV.jpg
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2015-06-26T07:53:49 < emeb_mac> awesome
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2015-06-26T09:06:17 < PeterM> HP makes some pretty decent microservers
2015-06-26T09:06:35 < PeterM> oh R2COM is already gone
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2015-06-26T09:50:18 < dongs> got my ts8060 panels
2015-06-26T09:50:21 < dongs> looks real good
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2015-06-26T12:12:14 < dongs> yessssssssssss
2015-06-26T12:12:18 < dongs> sleeper stand for metcal worked
2015-06-26T12:12:24 < dongs> was soldering ~3 hours ago, forgot about it
2015-06-26T12:12:32 < dongs> tip: cold, not oxidized
2015-06-26T12:12:33 < dongs> success
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2015-06-26T12:13:09 < ReadError> my tips have held up really well
2015-06-26T12:15:24 < dongs> yes, trash is only ruint if I run it at 400C for 24 hours
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2015-06-26T12:47:22 < PeterM> dongs i left my iron on for about 8 hours the other day (no sleeper stand) , wiped tip off on brass sponge applied frehs solder no issues :s
2015-06-26T12:47:40 < superbia> pro is pro
2015-06-26T12:47:42 < dongs> do you live in 90% RH tho
2015-06-26T12:48:17 < PeterM> not during winter, during summer yes
2015-06-26T12:49:15 < ReadError> damn japan is that humid?
2015-06-26T12:49:51 < superbia> horny sweat is in the air
2015-06-26T12:50:21 < ReadError> was watching the dailyshow
2015-06-26T12:50:24 < ReadError> guest said in japan
2015-06-26T12:50:30 < ReadError> guys take pictures of their rice cookers
2015-06-26T12:50:33 < ReadError> for dating sites
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2015-06-26T12:58:03 < PeterM> ReadError, hey man, no woman wants to havge sex with a man who has a Y100 daiso rice cooker
2015-06-26T13:00:22 < superbia> jhttp://www.regio15.nl/images/2015/06/26/Rijnstraat/w-IMG_4248.JPG
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2015-06-26T13:02:02 < zyp> PeterM, I have a zojirushi, does that qualify?
2015-06-26T13:05:27 < PeterM> i dunno, what do you think i am, a woman? im guessing yes though, they're more than 100Y
2015-06-26T13:06:11 < PeterM> superbia, what is
2015-06-26T13:06:42 < superbia> no electricity in NL
2015-06-26T13:08:20 < PeterM> is  that soem power distribution related building or something?
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2015-06-26T13:09:19 < superbia> random building turned into flames
2015-06-26T13:09:26 < superbia> cuz power lines 2x voltage
2015-06-26T13:09:29 < PeterM> because no power?
2015-06-26T13:09:33 < PeterM> oh
2015-06-26T13:10:07 < PeterM> i guess their ATC ran out of headroom
2015-06-26T13:10:41 < superbia> imagine your dirty sex motor goes 2x speed
2015-06-26T13:11:14 < PeterM> dirty sex motor is an interestign name for a woman...
2015-06-26T13:11:34 < PeterM> sounds almost german
2015-06-26T13:11:58 < PeterM> *bad german accent* "You dirty sex motor"
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2015-06-26T14:02:47 < The_Eel> hi
2015-06-26T14:03:28 < The_Eel> can I program NUCLEO STM32F401RE via arduino IDE or is there a similar language (easy) I could use with the board ?
2015-06-26T14:03:38 < ReadError> lul
2015-06-26T14:05:04 < The_Eel> ? :(
2015-06-26T14:05:23 < The_Eel> I need 3x i2c  and this is the only board I know
2015-06-26T14:05:24 < dongs> wat
2015-06-26T14:05:52 < superbia> The_Eel: you can put multiple i2c devices on one i2c port
2015-06-26T14:05:56 < dongs> https://developer.mbed.org/platforms/ST-Nucleo-F401RE/ i guess this is about as dumbfuck as it gets
2015-06-26T14:06:12 < dongs> if you can't figure out mbed, you probably should just stick to arduino due
2015-06-26T14:06:43 < superbia> duemilanove or due?
2015-06-26T14:06:53 < dongs> due
2015-06-26T14:07:16 < superbia> ok. bokmarked
2015-06-26T14:09:18 < specing> no, its not as dumb as it gets
2015-06-26T14:09:32 < specing> you can get lego mindstorms and draw programs as flowcharts
2015-06-26T14:09:37 < specing> I puked when I saw that
2015-06-26T14:09:41 < The_Eel> due has 2 i2c . I've seen i2c expanders but not sure which way is simpler to use in terms of programming
2015-06-26T14:09:59 < dongs> The_Eel: what teh fuck are you trying to do that yo need 3 separate i23c bvuses
2015-06-26T14:10:01 < specing> The_Eel: why do you need 3 i2c
2015-06-26T14:10:25 < The_Eel> I thimnk 3 seperate i2c is simpler than using an i2c expander
2015-06-26T14:10:35 < dongs> why do you need 3 separate i2c buses
2015-06-26T14:10:36 < The_Eel> Im connecting 3x accelerometers
2015-06-26T14:10:38 < specing> WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NEED AN i2C EXPANDER
2015-06-26T14:10:50 < dongs> The_Eel: and they don't have address selection pin?
2015-06-26T14:10:55 < The_Eel> each with different input
2015-06-26T14:10:57 < ReadError> dont many accels let you change the address?
2015-06-26T14:11:01 < dongs> some
2015-06-26T14:11:11 < dongs> but generally only one bit
2015-06-26T14:11:14 < ReadError> right
2015-06-26T14:11:18 < dongs> here's what you do, if you wanna connect all 3
2015-06-26T14:11:20 < dongs> wiht minimum aids
2015-06-26T14:11:21 < ReadError> but you can slave
2015-06-26T14:11:24 < dongs> get an analog switch/mux
2015-06-26T14:11:41 < dongs> hm tho that might fuck wiht opendrain shit
2015-06-26T14:11:41 < ReadError> hmm maybe not supported
2015-06-26T14:11:56 < superbia> problem it seems you have
2015-06-26T14:12:00 < ReadError> why not use SPI
2015-06-26T14:12:18 < ReadError> stm32 i2c is pretty aids in my experience, atleast stdperiph
2015-06-26T14:12:25 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tca9545a here you go
2015-06-26T14:12:40 < dongs> but yeah, either that, or use 2 i2c buises and select different address on 2 of the accels
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2015-06-26T14:12:48 < dongs> if you can, if not, then just use a switch like the above.
2015-06-26T14:12:56 < dongs> or use spi, right.
2015-06-26T14:13:00 < zyp> The_Eel, curious about what you mean by different inputs
2015-06-26T14:13:11 < dongs> they vibrate differently
2015-06-26T14:13:13 < The_Eel> different data entering at the same time
2015-06-26T14:13:16 < ReadError> just get a teensy
2015-06-26T14:13:24 < zyp> The_Eel, sure, but how are they mounted?
2015-06-26T14:13:30 < The_Eel> ???
2015-06-26T14:13:52 < zyp> you say three accelerometers, I'm wondering what you'll use it for
2015-06-26T14:13:54 < The_Eel> on the arm (of a human)
2015-06-26T14:14:02 < The_Eel> it records movements
2015-06-26T14:14:11 < The_Eel> in all angles
2015-06-26T14:14:15 < superbia1> perhaps its a zano developer?
2015-06-26T14:14:27 < specing> ZANO dev spotted!
2015-06-26T14:14:35 < dongs> The_Eel: what you need to do, is overengineer this. throw a BLE mcu + accel into a small thing w/CR2032 and then you can mount 10 of htem at once
2015-06-26T14:14:46 < ReadError> Days until ZANO ships
2015-06-26T14:14:46 < ReadError> 3 DAYS 16 HOURS 45 MINUTES 21 SECONDS
2015-06-26T14:14:56 < dongs> ReadError: they already delayed it till july 14th
2015-06-26T14:15:01 < superbia1> WAT
2015-06-26T14:15:03 < dongs> i should update
2015-06-26T14:15:50 < ReadError> the greatest part, if they actually deliver/fly, is the rage of people complaining they cant hover selfie after 4hrs of flight
2015-06-26T14:16:06 < ReadError> because the shitty brushed motors are dead
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2015-06-26T14:16:40 < superbia1> they use brushless right?
2015-06-26T14:16:47 < dongs> of course not
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2015-06-26T14:16:55 < dongs> top china brushed motors
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2015-06-26T14:17:15 < superbia> ah ok
2015-06-26T14:19:23 < The_Eel> http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/SoftwareI2CLibrary  like a software thing like this , can I use multiple pins as i2c ?
2015-06-26T14:19:29 < dongs> yes
2015-06-26T14:19:39 < dongs> software i2c master is very easy.
2015-06-26T14:19:53 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_i2c_soft.c
2015-06-26T14:19:55 < dongs> for F103
2015-06-26T14:20:09 < The_Eel> so i can define 2x or 3x SCL SDA a and connect 3x i2c stuff to a board ?
2015-06-26T14:20:16 < dongs> yes
2015-06-26T14:20:19 < The_Eel> thanks
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2015-06-26T14:21:12 < qyx_> uh
2015-06-26T14:21:16 < ReadError> lol
2015-06-26T14:23:00 < dongs> fgt
2015-06-26T14:23:09 < Laurenceb> there is a much easier way
2015-06-26T14:23:13 < Laurenceb> 1 i2c bus
2015-06-26T14:23:24 < Laurenceb> then use accels with configurable address
2015-06-26T14:23:35 < qyx_> dongs said that
2015-06-26T14:23:49 < Laurenceb> i means not just a single bit
2015-06-26T14:23:54 < Laurenceb> an 8 bit register
2015-06-26T14:24:43 < superbia> clear
2015-06-26T14:26:43 < Laurenceb> in fact you could do this with just 2xgpio
2015-06-26T14:26:47 < Laurenceb> for 3x accels
2015-06-26T14:27:12 < Laurenceb> or 1x gpio and a transistor/ not gate
2015-06-26T14:27:40 < superbia> i wonder if timecop will do the zano unboxing with hammer diplomacy
2015-06-26T14:31:09 < Laurenceb> looks like someone from #highaltitude got in a strop about air products pricing
2015-06-26T14:31:16 < Laurenceb> nothing to lose your head over
2015-06-26T14:42:47 < dongs> you need to use the repeated start condition
2015-06-26T14:42:58 < dongs> i still cannot believe tarduino default i2c library doesnt handle repeat start
2015-06-26T14:43:00 < dongs> like wtf???!?!!?
2015-06-26T14:43:09 < dongs> thats like 99% of i2c devices out there
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2015-06-26T14:45:59 < qyx_> you could bitbang multiple i2c buses using i2c expander
2015-06-26T14:49:06 < jpa-> hum, most i2c slaves i've seen support repeated start but do not require it
2015-06-26T14:49:36 < dongs> jpa-: how else do you read stuff from them
2015-06-26T14:49:43 < dongs> you mean write addr + stop + start +r ead?
2015-06-26T14:49:51 < jpa-> yea
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2015-06-26T15:09:12 < superbia> Laurenceb: you do the tracking of weather balones /
2015-06-26T15:09:21 < superbia> is this for it http://www.intermetsystems.com/Picture2.jpg ?
2015-06-26T15:09:53 < Laurenceb> that looks like military stuff
2015-06-26T15:09:53 < dongs> i thought that said internetmemesystems
2015-06-26T15:10:58 < superbia> hmz i coultn find better pic
2015-06-26T15:11:35 < superbia> i thought its for weather shit
2015-06-26T15:12:13 < Laurenceb> http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2014/06/saginaw_republican_running_for.html
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2015-06-26T15:34:09 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/06/26/new-part-day-stm32f7-an-arm-cortex-m7/
2015-06-26T15:36:00 < superbia> sure Price:  1+: €123.18512
2015-06-26T15:36:02 < superbia> 2+: €73.91107
2015-06-26T15:40:34 < jpa-> superbia: ?
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2015-06-26T15:42:53 < superbia> for the f7 disco
2015-06-26T15:43:10 < superbia> jpa-:
2015-06-26T15:43:26 < jpa-> i thought it was 50 EUR
2015-06-26T15:43:36 < jpa-> where is it in stock for 5 decimal digits?
2015-06-26T15:43:55 < jpa-> and do i have to cut up my cents or can i pay extra
2015-06-26T15:44:40 < superbia> http://components.arrow.com/part/detail/0323_08634694
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2015-06-26T15:51:47 < zyp> mouser had 10 in stock last I checked
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2015-06-26T15:52:56 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F746G-DISCO/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsMyYRRhGMFNlt5IaEdZrcOkzygY9sKdC8%3d
2015-06-26T15:53:06 < ReadError> $48 but still on order
2015-06-26T15:53:20 < zyp> okay, guess they sold out
2015-06-26T15:53:32 < zyp> I think I last checked on monday
2015-06-26T15:54:27 < superbia> Estimated Ship Date
2015-06-26T15:54:29 < superbia> 44 01.09.2051
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2015-06-26T16:00:35 < specing> why the hell are they >$50
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2015-06-26T16:00:47 < specing> you can get cortex-a8+ for way less
2015-06-26T16:01:07 < specing> and commercial boards, not subsidised dev ones
2015-06-26T16:02:06 < jpa-> hey it has a shitty lcd and everything
2015-06-26T16:02:33 < jpa-> but volumes, probably
2015-06-26T16:03:15 < jpa-> also i wouldn't be surprised if it is subsidised less than the cheaper discovery boards
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2015-06-26T16:14:08 < stukdev_> have you seen the bug in the st-link 3.6 flashing a hex file?
2015-06-26T16:16:12 < kakimir_> is it ok to ssh server tell it's exact version to anyone knocking the door?
2015-06-26T16:16:30 < kakimir_> http://pastebin.com/950Q5H0a
2015-06-26T16:16:58 < dongs> it informs others you're a lunix-running cunt
2015-06-26T16:18:15 < kakimir_> why would you run anything else on your server
2015-06-26T16:18:30 < kakimir_> piss poor server
2015-06-26T16:21:40 < dongs> servers SERVE
2015-06-26T16:21:46 < dongs> like Windows NT server
2015-06-26T16:21:51 < dongs> lunix doesn't they just copied that name from NT
2015-06-26T16:22:14 < dongs> ubuntu "server" is an oxymoron
2015-06-26T16:22:26 < dongs> ubutnu is shitty fgt desktop lunix with brown wallpaper
2015-06-26T16:22:34 < dongs> thats just debian with some crap renamed and brownified
2015-06-26T16:22:49 < dongs> the only thing it serves is a gaping wide-open hole for hackers to get into and fuck up your shit
2015-06-26T16:27:02 < trepidaciousMBR2> ubuntu are really concentrating on server stuff AFAICT
2015-06-26T16:27:26 < dongs> they should concentrate on making lunix not shit
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2015-06-26T16:30:31 < kakimir_> I don't even use ubuntu but mint
2015-06-26T16:31:08 < kakimir_> I didn't like the way ubuntu sucked
2015-06-26T16:31:32 < zyp> isn't mint just a dumber variant of ubuntu?
2015-06-26T16:31:46 < kakimir_> something that somewhat works out of box
2015-06-26T16:32:21 < zyp> «yeah, we want ubuntu, except with a GUI from last century» or something
2015-06-26T16:33:53 < dongs> lol as if any flavor lannex isnt just some dumb shit changed, couple defaults removed, and different color wallpaper
2015-06-26T16:34:02 < dongs> every shithead makes a shitty distro that dies a few months later
2015-06-26T16:41:20 < kakimir_> i didn't like how canoncinal were like "we have shit load of money. let's make weird desktops and stuff"
2015-06-26T16:41:52 < kakimir_> doing radical things that are just waste
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2015-06-26T16:43:23 < superbia> did you try cream chese dongs http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/linuxbiscuits.jpg
2015-06-26T16:46:27 < trepidaciousMBR2> Xubuntu is pretty nice - plain Ubuntu but with XFCE, which actually kind of works :)
2015-06-26T16:49:13 < kakimir_> ubuntu is like they couldn't care less of plain usability of their desktops
2015-06-26T16:49:23 < kakimir_> just make that brown cool thing
2015-06-26T16:49:44 < trepidaciousMBR2> Unity isn't really all that bad in terms of design, it just doesn't work very well
2015-06-26T16:50:04 < kakimir_> that is not good enough
2015-06-26T16:50:09 < trepidaciousMBR2> Compiz crashes, and the dash thing takes about 5 seconds to pop up
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2015-06-26T16:50:51 < kakimir_> it's really same it was back when it came?
2015-06-26T16:52:47 < trepidaciousMBR2> kakimir_: It might be a little bit better now, but not much
2015-06-26T16:52:56 < trepidaciousMBR2> I installed xubuntu on parallels, and it just runs so fast
2015-06-26T16:53:34 < trepidaciousMBR2> you can set up a keyboard shortcut to run the sort of start menu thing, and it is instant, it finds what you are looking for, and it doesn't suggest bloody Amazon shopping results, much much better
2015-06-26T16:53:59 < trepidaciousMBR2> Plus my menu bars are in the right place
2015-06-26T16:54:39 < trepidaciousMBR2> It even looks quite good, in an outdated gtk-ish kind of way
2015-06-26T17:01:20 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9tQSOlF9ZZM
2015-06-26T17:01:43 < Laurenceb> wtf, ED
2015-06-26T17:01:50 < ReadError> dongs http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11691081/Abortion-drone-to-drop-DIY-drugs-over-Poland-to-women.html
2015-06-26T17:02:02 < Laurenceb> lol absortion drone
2015-06-26T17:02:08 < Laurenceb> erm abortion
2015-06-26T17:06:41 < superbia> if i was gvt, id fuck that drone so hard
2015-06-26T17:06:59 < superbia> track the pilot, and jail that sucker
2015-06-26T17:09:25 < superbia> is that real Laurenceb
2015-06-26T17:09:26 < aandrew> pretty sure that's the point
2015-06-26T17:09:37 < aandrew> it's flown by somoene in Germany, dropping down into Poland
2015-06-26T17:09:47 < aandrew> the pilot is out of poland's jurisdiction
2015-06-26T17:10:04 < superbia> man
2015-06-26T17:10:08 < superbia> you cant fly it from germany
2015-06-26T17:10:10 < superbia> :)
2015-06-26T17:10:24 < superbia> they can track the pilot 100%
2015-06-26T17:10:27 < superbia> if romania can do it
2015-06-26T17:10:30 < superbia> poland can also
2015-06-26T17:10:32 < aandrew> again so what
2015-06-26T17:10:37 < superbia> is that SCUM video real ?
2015-06-26T17:10:42 < superbia> looks like aftereffects
2015-06-26T17:10:42 < aandrew> track the pilot... yep the pilot is in germany
2015-06-26T17:10:44 < aandrew> now what
2015-06-26T17:10:46 < superbia> man
2015-06-26T17:10:48 < superbia> you
2015-06-26T17:10:50 < superbia> cant
2015-06-26T17:10:52 < superbia> fly
2015-06-26T17:10:54 < superbia> rc
2015-06-26T17:10:56 < superbia> from
2015-06-26T17:10:58 < superbia> germanhy
2015-06-26T17:11:00 < superbia> to
2015-06-26T17:11:01 < aandrew> why is that?
2015-06-26T17:11:02 < superbia> poland
2015-06-26T17:11:06 < superbia> physics
2015-06-26T17:11:11 < aandrew> are you on drugs?
2015-06-26T17:11:15 < dongs> isnt poland right next to germany
2015-06-26T17:11:18 < aandrew> I'm not talking about flying it even tens of kilometers
2015-06-26T17:11:21 < aandrew> read the article
2015-06-26T17:11:22 < dongs> or else how did they gas all those polish jews
2015-06-26T17:11:50 < aandrew> "On Saturday, it will drop a number of packages of World Health Organisation-approved abortion pills over a Polish town on the border of Germany, where it will be met by women’s groups who will hand the pills to individual women who need them."
2015-06-26T17:12:06 < aandrew> so which physics are they violating?
2015-06-26T17:12:31 < dongs> international borders of physics
2015-06-26T17:12:39 < aandrew> lol
2015-06-26T17:12:46 < aandrew> ok I guess it's about time I start this stm32 project
2015-06-26T17:12:51 < dongs> no shit
2015-06-26T17:12:58 < dongs> stm32-arduino
2015-06-26T17:13:06 < superbia> nucleo-tesla
2015-06-26T17:13:25 < aandrew> nucleo-tesla actually sounds like a pretty badass project
2015-06-26T17:17:16 < dongs> not_lunix
2015-06-26T17:17:20 < dongs> aandrew: what stm32 proj
2015-06-26T17:17:22 < dongs> anything PRO
2015-06-26T17:18:43 < aandrew> not really
2015-06-26T17:18:57 < aandrew> stm32 + lte module + camera
2015-06-26T17:19:02 < aandrew> not something for me, for a client
2015-06-26T17:19:34 < dongs> is client: jap
2015-06-26T17:19:43 < dongs> sounds like youre makign a toilet cam
2015-06-26T17:20:08 < dongs> at least it has more chances of working than a zano
2015-06-26T17:20:29 < dongs> are you g oing to do hardware MJPEG compression and face recognition
2015-06-26T17:20:29 < kakimir_> trepidaciousMBR2: thats why you use "ancient" desktops
2015-06-26T17:20:39 < kakimir_> those tend to work better than well
2015-06-26T17:21:01 < superbia> then go back into cave if you like ancient
2015-06-26T17:21:15 < dongs> enjoy your continous 150W power draw
2015-06-26T17:21:18 < dongs> from "ancient" desktop
2015-06-26T17:21:35 < superbia> this is a temple of new tech, high-tech, pro, exactly
2015-06-26T17:22:37 < kakimir_> why would "ancient" desktop draw power more than "modern" desktop
2015-06-26T17:22:59 < aandrew> client's not jap, no
2015-06-26T17:23:06 < kakimir_> utilialization of hw accelerators?
2015-06-26T17:23:09 < aandrew> californian iwth a lot of money so who am I to argue?
2015-06-26T17:23:16 < kakimir_> still less power consuming I bet
2015-06-26T17:23:27 < aandrew> hardware MJPEG yes, face recog: no
2015-06-26T17:23:58 < aandrew> kakimir_: very simply put: older hardware does not have the same power savings that the new stuff can do
2015-06-26T17:24:06 < aandrew> take a look at a pre-haswell i7 vs a haswell i7
2015-06-26T17:24:12 < aandrew> that's a very modern comparison
2015-06-26T17:24:37 < aandrew> and if you want to look further back, look at the IDLE power consumption of a Core2 vs haswell i7
2015-06-26T17:24:43 < dongs> err
2015-06-26T17:24:48 < dongs> look at idle power consumption of P120
2015-06-26T17:24:50 < dongs> for example
2015-06-26T17:24:57 < dongs> its like constant 130W
2015-06-26T17:24:59 < aandrew> the core2 draws more power sitting aroudn doing nothing than an i7
2015-06-26T17:25:00 < aandrew> yep
2015-06-26T17:25:11 < aandrew> tech changes, and back even 5 years power consumption wasn't a huge factor
2015-06-26T17:25:14 < kakimir_> why couldn't you run your "ancient" desktop on haswell?
2015-06-26T17:25:18 < aandrew> you can
2015-06-26T17:25:21 < aandrew> now wait
2015-06-26T17:25:30 < aandrew> are you saying "ancient desktop" as in software, or hardware?
2015-06-26T17:25:48 < kakimir_> sw
2015-06-26T17:25:51 < aandrew> like are you saying "my win95 install on an i7"
2015-06-26T17:26:03 < dongs> lol win95
2015-06-26T17:26:20 < aandrew> even on software though
2015-06-26T17:26:29 < kakimir_> my 2015 lunix with old fashioned desktops on modern hw
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2015-06-26T17:26:39 < aandrew> the power consumption of a win95 desktop sitting around doing nothing is significantly higher than a win7 desktop sitting around doing nothing, on the exact same hardware
2015-06-26T17:26:49 < kakimir_> sure
2015-06-26T17:27:06 < kakimir_> so much tighter loops and stugg
2015-06-26T17:27:15 < aandrew> linux power management has always been a bit better than similar-age windows, not sure if that's still true in win8, because it was a huge push recently
2015-06-26T17:27:16 < dongs> lunix has no useful power management either
2015-06-26T17:27:19 < aandrew> nah
2015-06-26T17:27:21 < aandrew> not tighter loops
2015-06-26T17:27:43 < aandrew> it's what you do when idle. do you HLT, transition to lower C-states, put devices in lower states, etc.
2015-06-26T17:28:01 < dongs> aandrew: i got some nice jigs made up http://i.imgur.com/1MR5cpT.jpg
2015-06-26T17:28:31 < dongs> dem diamond-shaped pogos are great
2015-06-26T17:29:19 < dongs> whoa pentium mmx 166 for lapptops was like 6W tdp
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2015-06-26T17:29:56 < aandrew> dongs: nice I've built up simialr things. that's the right way to do it IMO
2015-06-26T17:30:33 < aandrew> dongs: what's the USB device on the left? programmer?
2015-06-26T17:30:45 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/87261 wtf s this
2015-06-26T17:30:48 < dongs> is taht atom?
2015-06-26T17:31:02 < aandrew> yeah I don't know anymore
2015-06-26T17:31:13 < dongs> seems they dropped the atom name maybe
2015-06-26T17:31:16 < dongs> Nxxx has been atoms tho
2015-06-26T17:31:33 < aandrew> nobody just makes ${PROCESSOR_CLASS}-${PROCESSOR_SPEED}-${PROCESSOR-OPTIONS} names anymore
2015-06-26T17:31:55 < aandrew> it's all WangFu-Meta 3.1415 OogaClass-MegaThread
2015-06-26T17:32:22 < dongs> Intel had to delay its next generation Atom out-of-order architecture codenamed Braswell all the way to Q3 2015 and, at that time, we expect to see the Braswell-based Pentium N3700 replacing the Bay-Trail-M BGA based N3540.
2015-06-26T17:32:26 < dongs> sounds like it is atom
2015-06-26T17:33:19 < dongs> The good news is that the new platform supports Chrome, Linux, Windows 7 64-bit only as well as Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 64-bit only.
2015-06-26T17:33:23 < dongs> that is good news indeed
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2015-06-26T17:40:42 < dongs> i need to write a garbage collector for calc.exes
2015-06-26T17:40:47 < dongs> everyday I end up closing like 20 of them
2015-06-26T17:41:07 < dongs> i should just write something that looks for a clalc.exe window that has been on the bottom of hte stack for more than 10 minutes and kill it
2015-06-26T17:44:11 < rkreis> dongs, start putting your math into google, cloud computing is the future after all
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2015-06-26T17:51:02 < dongs> i do sometimes
2015-06-26T17:51:03 < dongs> but too slow
2015-06-26T17:51:08 < dongs> calc.exe is local, much speed
2015-06-26T17:51:27 < ReadError> get a casio calculator watch
2015-06-26T17:51:30 < dongs> sadly, i have to calc.exe for shit like 18+4+5 type stuff because i'm too stoned for math
2015-06-26T17:51:41 < dongs> yeah i could probably do with a desk calcualator actually
2015-06-26T17:51:49 < aandrew> lol
2015-06-26T17:51:52 < aandrew> I'm not alone
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2015-06-26T17:52:04 < aandrew> I open up a terminal window to run 'bc' for most of my math, rudimentary or not
2015-06-26T17:52:22 < aandrew> it's faster than opening up calc or my phone or finding the calcualtor I have somewhere on my desk
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2015-06-26T18:11:07 < englishman> is aandrew related to aadamson???
2015-06-26T18:11:30 < aandrew> lol no
2015-06-26T18:13:18 < dongs> no different troll
2015-06-26T18:13:34 < dongs> hes from efnet, more jaded
2015-06-26T18:15:05 < superbia> dongs: you on multiple irc servers ?
2015-06-26T18:17:26 < dongs> yes
2015-06-26T18:17:31 < dongs> i am on every opensores irc server
2015-06-26T18:17:45 < dongs> < adj__> jnettlet: I agree about debian, I have been using it for 15 years, and it's getting more and more disappointing
2015-06-26T18:17:52 < dongs> im sorry this guy had to deal wiht 15 years of lunix
2015-06-26T18:17:57 < superbia> lol
2015-06-26T18:18:08 < superbia> are other servers any good as freenode is ?
2015-06-26T18:18:13 < dongs> haha no
2015-06-26T18:18:14 < dongs> there's oftc
2015-06-26T18:18:18 < dongs> where gEDA dicks hang out
2015-06-26T18:18:20 < dongs> and uh
2015-06-26T18:18:32 < superbia> who are gEDA dicks ?
2015-06-26T18:18:37 < dongs> dj delorie and shit
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2015-06-26T18:38:33 < aandrew> lol
2015-06-26T18:38:41 < aandrew> "as good as freenode"
2015-06-26T18:39:16 < aandrew> freenode is by far the most unstable IRC network I've ever been on. It's not entirely the fault of the freenode admins. It's the largest network by far and probably the most underfunded if you normalize for user count
2015-06-26T18:39:27 < aandrew> it's also probably one of the most attacked
2015-06-26T18:40:01 < aandrew> but yeah. freenode is unstable. it's at least once a week I'm disconnected and have to manually reconnect (i.e. the disconnection's so bad that my auto-reconnect fails out)
2015-06-26T18:40:07 < superbia> so what are the other 2 networks you've been on ?
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2015-06-26T19:00:19 < Getty> dont get me started
2015-06-26T19:00:25 < dongs> dalnet
2015-06-26T19:00:26 < Getty> about freenode.................
2015-06-26T19:00:34 < dongs> the original cp network
2015-06-26T19:00:49 < Getty> Galaxynet! ;)
2015-06-26T19:13:32 < Laurenceb> http://sickpics.lt/images/captain_sweden_4p3.jpeg
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2015-06-26T19:14:45 < ehsanv> hi, is this possible to work with capacitive touchscreen? mcu is stm32f103, touch driver is GT811,
2015-06-26T19:15:32 < ehsanv> someone in a forum said he done it with atmega8! but he didn't release the source because of license the company he works in
2015-06-26T19:15:50 < ehsanv> and i just found Chinese version of datasheet of GT811
2015-06-26T19:15:53 < ehsanv> sadly
2015-06-26T19:16:16 < dongs> its proably i2c or spi
2015-06-26T19:16:20 < dongs> look at allwhiner sores
2015-06-26T19:16:22 < ehsanv> dongs: i2c
2015-06-26T19:16:24 < dongs> adapt to STM
2015-06-26T19:16:24 < dongs> done
2015-06-26T19:16:44 < dongs> https://github.com/EPDCenterSpain/bq-DC-v2/blob/master/drivers/input/touchscreen/gt811_ts.c
2015-06-26T19:16:58 < dongs> christ, that code
2015-06-26T19:17:08 < dongs> Guitar initialization function, used to send configuration information, access to version information
2015-06-26T19:17:52 < ehsanv> yeah, seems to hard to work with :(
2015-06-26T19:17:58 < ehsanv> too hard*
2015-06-26T19:17:59 < dongs> typical lunix code.
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2015-06-26T19:18:18 < dongs>  *Any problem,please contact andrew@goodix.com,+86 755-33338828
2015-06-26T19:18:20 < dongs> \go 4 it
2015-06-26T19:18:41 < ehsanv> i'll try, hope get a good answer ! :D
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2015-06-26T19:26:51 < dongs> did you know? apple binaries are compressed and encrypted with a proprietary packer codenamed: 'fudge' because the CEO is a huge homo !!!!
2015-06-26T19:28:58 < Laurenceb> haha
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2015-06-26T19:40:47 < PeterM> dongs lolled
2015-06-26T19:42:46 < dongs> ^_^
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2015-06-26T20:16:15 < ehsanv> i bought a raspberry pi board and now i don't really know what to do with it! searching for a use :D
2015-06-26T20:16:59 < jadew> 1) you can jam it under the door so it stays open
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2015-06-26T20:17:29 < emeb> +1000
2015-06-26T20:17:39 < jadew> 2) desolder all the components, use the PCB as a surface to work on with your soldering iron
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2015-06-26T20:18:12 < dongs> where's that video of what to do wiht rapspberrypi
2015-06-26T20:18:24 < jadew> oh, is there a video about this?
2015-06-26T20:18:33 < dongs> yes
2015-06-26T20:18:46 < dongs> i think it was even someone from here who did it
2015-06-26T20:19:08 < ehsanv> !!
2015-06-26T20:19:13 < ehsanv> jadew: lol
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2015-06-26T20:21:44 < dongs> damnm
2015-06-26T20:22:09 < dongs> TIL iphone apps have encrypted code sections to prevent disassembly
2015-06-26T20:22:13 < dongs> wtf
2015-06-26T20:22:18 < dongs> why would they bother
2015-06-26T20:24:45 < Rickta59> why don't you use it as a video controller for an stm32 ehsanv
2015-06-26T20:26:21 < dongs> Muslims all over the world cheered as the twin towers fell on live TV on September 11, 2001. They were happy and joyful about the destruction of a couple of buildings. These gay people are cheering for something far worse: They are joyful about the destruction of the foundation of all buildings, of all civilizations.
2015-06-26T20:27:31 < jadew> which people?
2015-06-26T20:27:49 < dongs> some current american news
2015-06-26T20:27:53 < dongs> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0
2015-06-26T20:28:03 < dongs> WASHINGTON . In a long-sought victory for the gay rights movement, the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that the Constitution guarantees a right to same-sex marriage.
2015-06-26T20:28:08 < jadew> ah, retards vs gays
2015-06-26T20:28:12 < dongs> y
2015-06-26T20:28:35 < englishman> ehsanv, if its rpi2 it makes a pretty good tv media center with openelec. if its rpi1 you can probably scavenge an ethernet plug
2015-06-26T20:29:14 < ehsanv> englishman: it's rpi2, i want it multi boot, how could do this?
2015-06-26T20:29:28 < dongs> multiboot what
2015-06-26T20:29:31 < dongs> windows 10?
2015-06-26T20:29:52 < ReadError> CLI only windows
2015-06-26T20:29:53 < ehsanv> no with pwnpi :D
2015-06-26T20:30:02 < ReadError> even more useless than a lunix desktop
2015-06-26T20:30:18 < englishman> dual boot what year is this
2015-06-26T20:30:31 < englishman> why would you ever boot a computer more than once
2015-06-26T20:30:39 < englishman> in its life
2015-06-26T20:30:49 < englishman> let alone reboot it all the fucking time
2015-06-26T20:30:49 < ReadError> shits are like 29$ on sale
2015-06-26T20:30:51 < ReadError> just buy more
2015-06-26T20:32:14 < Rickta59> you could make a transparent truck out of it
2015-06-26T20:32:20 < ehsanv> ReadError: it's 43$ here
2015-06-26T20:32:37 < ehsanv> ReadError: and my salary is 250$ :|
2015-06-26T20:33:00 < specing> wat
2015-06-26T20:33:08 < ReadError> how do you survive ??
2015-06-26T20:33:14 < Rickta59> seems like you might have asked that question about what to do with it before you bought it
2015-06-26T20:33:17 < ehsanv> ReadError: too hardly :D
2015-06-26T20:33:17 < ReadError> i eat that much food per week, maybe
2015-06-26T20:33:27 < specing> ehsanv: oh, iran
2015-06-26T20:33:33 < specing> ReadError: hes from iran
2015-06-26T20:33:35 < ehsanv> specing: yeah, damn right
2015-06-26T20:33:41 < dongs> he survives on corpase
2015-06-26T20:33:43 < dongs> corpses
2015-06-26T20:33:47 < dongs> free food
2015-06-26T20:33:53 < ReadError> start a poppy field
2015-06-26T20:33:54 < specing> the better question would be ... how the hell do you get software?
2015-06-26T20:33:56 < ReadError> profit
2015-06-26T20:34:18 < ehsanv> specing: very easy
2015-06-26T20:34:29 < ehsanv> you can buy all software you need only 1$
2015-06-26T20:34:35 < ehsanv> no copyright here
2015-06-26T20:34:44 < PeterM> are dvd-r that expensive over there?
2015-06-26T20:34:49 < dongs> thats how they got that scada shit into your nukes
2015-06-26T20:34:50 < ehsanv> no
2015-06-26T20:35:19 < ehsanv> our nukes?
2015-06-26T20:35:33 < ReadError> didnt america virus your nuclear facilities ?
2015-06-26T20:35:36 < dongs> stuxnet
2015-06-26T20:35:39 < ehsanv> yeah
2015-06-26T20:35:42 < ehsanv> stuxnet
2015-06-26T20:35:55 < ehsanv> but was that from Israeil?
2015-06-26T20:36:13 < ehsanv> Israel
2015-06-26T20:36:39 < Steffann> and nsa of course
2015-06-26T20:36:47 < PeterM> doesn't matter, dumb  virus in nukes = bad where ever it is
2015-06-26T20:37:10 < specing> ehsanv: I mean stuff like e.g. stm32 libraries
2015-06-26T20:37:23 < ReadError> apparently it was an israel + american collab
2015-06-26T20:37:28 < specing> I know I had to go through exports checking to download stellarisware
2015-06-26T20:38:05 < Steffann> but your name is specing ..
2015-06-26T20:38:19 < specing> ehsanv: is there literaly no copyright or do you have your own copyright system?
2015-06-26T20:38:45 < ehsanv> specing: no copyright
2015-06-26T20:39:14 < ehsanv> but there is a copyright for internal media
2015-06-26T20:39:21 < ehsanv> but no one believes on it!
2015-06-26T20:39:51 < ehsanv> everything for download in sites, and if you don't have internet, you could buy them on CD or DVD in streets
2015-06-26T20:40:03 < jadew> sounds like romania until recently
2015-06-26T20:40:29 < jadew> when Bill Gates visited Romania, a couple of years back, our president told him that piracy worked great for us lol
2015-06-26T20:41:18 < ReadError> how many legal copies of windows are there in china
2015-06-26T20:41:21 < ReadError> probably not many
2015-06-26T20:41:31 < ehsanv> most crackers are from china
2015-06-26T20:41:38 < ReadError> or russia
2015-06-26T20:42:40 < ehsanv> AND russia
2015-06-26T20:49:02 < jadew> for the record, the minimum salary in romania right now is 243 USD
2015-06-26T20:49:24 < ehsanv> jadew: yeah, i get the minimum too
2015-06-26T20:49:44 < ehsanv> but here no one asks you where you get your money from,
2015-06-26T20:49:56 < ehsanv> you could get rich in just one night
2015-06-26T20:50:30 < ehsanv> as one of my known guys came back from Canada to make some money!
2015-06-26T20:50:31 < ehsanv> :D
2015-06-26T20:51:56 < ehsanv> anyway, do anyone know how to dual boot my rpi2?
2015-06-26T20:52:01 < ehsanv> thanks in advance
2015-06-26T20:52:21 < ehsanv> or i should just keep trying ?
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2015-06-26T21:23:32 < kakimir_> is it good idea to ground cable shields directly?
2015-06-26T21:26:51 < kakimir_> to pcb
2015-06-26T21:27:39 < ReadError> just 1 side I thought ?
2015-06-26T21:28:30 < ReadError> why not make connector though ?
2015-06-26T21:31:30 < kakimir_> one side :/
2015-06-26T21:42:07 < jpa-> it depends on a lot of things, such as what you want to shield against and whether the signal is differential or single-ended
2015-06-26T21:42:48 < jadew> and if the device is supposed to be floating or not and where the signal comes from
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2015-06-26T21:44:07 < jadew> altho, I guess that if it's floating, it sill needs a common ground with the signal source
2015-06-26T21:44:39 < jpa-> yeah, but with floating you might want to couple the shield through e.g. ferrite or resistor sometimes
2015-06-26T21:45:19 < jpa-> shielding against capacitively coupled noise is quite easy as long as the shield is grounded atleast somewhere; magnetic noise is a lot more troublesome because if the shield is grounded at both ends, it will pick up the noise just as well as an unshielded cable
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2015-06-26T21:45:53 < aandrew> there are some really interesting "driven shield" techniques used in EKGs where you want to measure quick changes of uV signals and not have the huge capacitance of the shield affecting your signal
2015-06-26T21:46:44 < aandrew> they basically take the common mode signal and use that to drive the shield so the shield is still an unbroken barrier for outside noise but it's close to the level of the signals you're measuring too
2015-06-26T21:53:50 < kakimir_> rs232 connectors :/
2015-06-26T21:59:40 < jpa-> for rs232 the shield is pretty useless unless you do 5 kilometer runs and use 300bps over it
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2015-06-26T22:00:17 < jpa-> capacitance and impedance mismatch becomes a problem much sooner than the noise, it's such a huge voltage span
2015-06-26T22:00:20 < aandrew> what's the max distance for RS232 anyway, like 50 feet?
2015-06-26T22:00:37 < aandrew> and yeah real RS232 levels are HUGE (+/-12V? 15V?)
2015-06-26T22:01:09 < superbia> aandrew: google
2015-06-26T22:01:12 < aandrew> if you wanna go long distance convert to RS485. long distance, differential signalling, heavy-capacitance-friendly
2015-06-26T22:01:26 < jpa-> yeah, RS485 ftw
2015-06-26T22:01:32 < aandrew> superbia: nah, I'm not THAT interested. It's kakimir_'s problem not mine
2015-06-26T22:01:51 < superbia> you his boyfriend ?
2015-06-26T22:01:59 < jpa-> 50 feet at 19200bps, more at lower baudrates
2015-06-26T22:02:02 < aandrew> you've been on my case for a while now. what's your deal?
2015-06-26T22:02:18 < jpa-> superbia is just a troll, better /ignore
2015-06-26T22:02:21 < aandrew> ah
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2015-06-26T22:32:29 < kakimir_> lets say we have small distance but lot os switching noise and stuff
2015-06-26T22:33:27 < jpa-> outside of metal enclosure? then connect the shield to metal enclosure at both ends
2015-06-26T22:35:30 < kakimir_> it be dones by default
2015-06-26T22:36:09 < kakimir_> yeah then it's all same to connect shield to pcb directly too
2015-06-26T22:36:42 < jpa-> why?
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2015-06-27T00:33:03 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYXJmSVIyelkweEk/view?usp=sharing hour of polishing and it be dones
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2015-06-27T00:36:38 < Tectu> please tell me that you're kidding...
2015-06-27T00:37:07 < Tectu> you must be shitting me, right?
2015-06-27T00:37:16 < kakimir_> how bad it is
2015-06-27T00:37:27 < kakimir_> ok 2 hours of polishing
2015-06-27T00:37:35 < kakimir_> but basic consept stays
2015-06-27T00:37:54 < kakimir_> and hey it lacks fills atm
2015-06-27T00:37:57 < BrainDamage> you have to account for the extra time due to kikekad interface
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2015-06-27T00:38:15 < Tectu> BrainDamage, don't ya forget about building time (kicad compiling)
2015-06-27T00:38:41 < kakimir_> good to know
2015-06-27T00:38:52 < kakimir_> kicad adds 50% working times
2015-06-27T00:39:22 < Tectu> have you ever worked with anything else before?
2015-06-27T00:39:31 < kakimir_> not with kicad
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2015-06-27T00:40:38 < kakimir_> you think I need some serious thinking with ground vias?
2015-06-27T00:42:30 < Tectu> not gonna answer that question
2015-06-27T00:43:11 < kakimir_> it burns your eyes
2015-06-27T00:43:18 < kakimir_> movie time<
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2015-06-27T01:07:24 < karlp> specing: what commercial cortexa8 board are you seeing for < $50?
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2015-06-27T01:09:25 < specing> karlp: here you go https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/open-source-hardware
2015-06-27T01:10:45 < Laurenceb__> lulz  http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7609497&cid=49998029
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2015-06-27T01:20:06 < karlp> oh yeah, I forgot the lime, still tedious to find it as a SoM style, lime's kind ajunky with barrel jacks and stuff.
2015-06-27T01:20:38 < karlp> you can find them in all sorts of aliexpress tv stb products and shit too, just not very reusabæe that way
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2015-06-27T01:23:18 < specing> ARM is a software clusterfuck
2015-06-27T01:23:22 < specing> in general
2015-06-27T01:30:15 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-06-27T01:30:42 < superbia> to keep the unworthy from using it
2015-06-27T01:37:37 < kakimir_> true
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2015-06-27T01:55:46 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/s5VvFhB.jpg
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2015-06-27T02:04:35 < zyp> specing, how so?
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2015-06-27T03:36:09 < kakimir_> http://www.taloussanomat.fi/harrastukset/2015/06/22/punkit-levittavat-nyt-liha-allergiaa-ruotsissa-200-tapausta/20157975/139?pos=rap-3-1
2015-06-27T03:36:27 < kakimir_> what the hel putty...
2015-06-27T03:37:09 < kakimir_> windows clients are just..
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2015-06-27T04:36:17 < kakimir_> http://prkele.prk.tky.fi/~peltolt2/DSC_2402.jpg dude I know is serious about these sdr dongles
2015-06-27T04:36:58 < kakimir_> sleep<
2015-06-27T04:49:28 < ReadError> kakimir_ wat the wat
2015-06-27T04:49:29 < ReadError> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYXJmSVIyelkweEk/view
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2015-06-27T05:24:03 < emeb> Surprise! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0t5KSRp1JE
2015-06-27T05:42:06 < emeb> attn dongs: http://i.imgur.com/DxDNDOs.jpg
2015-06-27T05:51:08 < emeb> clouds
2015-06-27T06:15:50 < ReadError> http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/WireAP_9673b3bba0d9471ab228d8fc95beac7b_16x9_992.jpg
2015-06-27T06:26:28 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/xWmP24d.gifv
2015-06-27T06:27:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, im intrigued by elec cars, but think the inside stlye of the tesla is ugly
2015-06-27T06:28:09 < upgrdman> and why the fuck is a touchscreen good for everything in the car
2015-06-27T06:30:16 < upgrdman> k
2015-06-27T06:30:41 < upgrdman> sounds annoying
2015-06-27T06:31:44 < upgrdman> i prefer being able to find a button by feel, without looking away from the road
2015-06-27T06:32:39 < upgrdman> yes
2015-06-27T06:33:04 < upgrdman> i fuck with my radio, ac, etc. without needing to look at it more than a glance
2015-06-27T06:33:18 < upgrdman> k
2015-06-27T06:33:42 < upgrdman> so whats the screen for? redditing on the go?
2015-06-27T06:34:39 < upgrdman> ARMA
2015-06-27T06:37:04 < upgrdman> other things = ?
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2015-06-27T07:04:44 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-06-27T07:04:54 < emeb_mac> r2com_cp/m
2015-06-27T07:04:58 < ReadError> emeb_mac do you have a link to your tssop-20 board?
2015-06-27T07:05:16 < emeb_mac> sure - which one?
2015-06-27T07:05:22 < emeb_mac> the 030 or 042?
2015-06-27T07:05:38 < ReadError> hm both i guess
2015-06-27T07:05:56 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32f030breakout/index.html
2015-06-27T07:06:09 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32f042breakout/index.html
2015-06-27T07:06:24 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32fiend/index.html
2015-06-27T07:06:36 < ReadError> ty
2015-06-27T07:11:03 < ReadError> nice no xtal
2015-06-27T07:11:43 < emeb_mac> ya
2015-06-27T07:12:26 < emeb_mac> works great
2015-06-27T07:14:24 < ReadError> grabbed some of the 042 from osh
2015-06-27T07:14:50 < emeb_mac> kewl.
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2015-06-27T07:44:15 < ReadError> dongs
2015-06-27T07:44:21 < ReadError> <jsondag> fyi... be very with your jst connectors with the SPR F3 board. just broke off my I2C header with very little force.
2015-06-27T07:44:21 < ReadError> <jsondag> :-\
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2015-06-27T08:08:22 < dongs> haha
2015-06-27T08:09:25 < dongs> ReadError: retweet that in #multiwii
2015-06-27T08:53:13 < upgrdman> what do the red symbols next to some of the nets on this schematic mean?   https://www.digilentinc.com/Data/Products/NEXYS-VIDEO/Nexys_Video_sch.pdf
2015-06-27T08:53:42 < upgrdman> the symbols that look like a cartoon water hose bulge
2015-06-27T08:53:51 < dongs> upgrdman: differential pairs
2015-06-27T08:53:58 < upgrdman> ah
2015-06-27T08:54:06 < dongs> thats why they're also called _P _N
2015-06-27T08:54:10 < upgrdman> ya
2015-06-27T08:54:25 < upgrdman> i knew they were diff pairs, just never saw that symbol before
2015-06-27T08:54:47 < dongs> its altidong symbol for it
2015-06-27T08:54:57 < dongs> they kinda do it lame way. i would have used a blanket statement
2015-06-27T08:55:02 < dongs> and just one diffpair symbol
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2015-06-27T09:21:13 < yan_> hmm i think i messed up my RCC config and now i can't connect to the stm32l1 with openocd.. getting: "Error: init mode failed"
2015-06-27T09:21:18 < yan_> has anyone ran into this?
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2015-06-27T10:09:58 < PeterM> whenever i hear init i think of a chav saying in'nit'
2015-06-27T10:20:58 < dongs> hold reset
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2015-06-27T10:49:07 < jpa-> yan_: yeah, what dongs said, hold reset button during connection and until you run "reset halt" in openocd; after that you can release reset button
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2015-06-27T11:39:08 < superbia> sup blogs
2015-06-27T11:41:15 < dongs> blogging about zano
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2015-06-27T11:50:42 < Roklobotomy> dongs: your personal blog?  url me if so
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2015-06-27T14:37:09 < dongs> is t here a 'SBRS' i narm asm
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2015-06-27T16:13:21 < Rickta59> there is the it instruction stuff dongs
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2015-06-27T17:28:53 < Laurenceb_> in #space
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2015-06-27T18:12:08 < Tectu> if (k > p || TRUE)
2015-06-27T18:12:09 < Tectu> wut?
2015-06-27T18:23:08 < kakimir_> ReadError: so good isn't it?
2015-06-27T18:23:38 < ReadError> kakimir_ im not even sure how to respond
2015-06-27T18:24:06 < kakimir_> you feel little bit insulted even?
2015-06-27T18:24:18 < ReadError> more like jelous
2015-06-27T18:24:45 < kakimir_> :o cool
2015-06-27T18:25:51 < MrMobius> Could you see this while loop taking 5600 cycles every time through? http://pastebin.com/PxXhtk3X
2015-06-27T18:26:30 < MrMobius> I know thats a weird question but this is my first time working with the STM32 and im porting this code over from an MSP430
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2015-06-27T18:27:18 < MrMobius> and it only goes about twice as fast on an STM429 at 168MHz than on an MSP430 at 16MHz and I dont know if its due to the overhead of the virtual com port on the stm32 or what
2015-06-27T18:27:52 < MrMobius> but by timing how long each step takes, its apparently spending 99% of its time in that while loop and 1% trasferring data over USB
2015-06-27T18:28:53 < ReadError> woh styling
2015-06-27T18:29:55 < MrMobius> although i should add that the msp430 was doing memory access to an SPI SRAM for Attrib6502 and Data6502 which was probably a bottleneck
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2015-06-27T18:40:02 < yan_> dongs, jpa-: regarding earlier question, i tried holding reset and it's not working.. although i think the reset button might not be functioning
2015-06-27T18:40:48 < yan_> dongs, jpa-: this is how it's hooked up: http://i.imgur.com/Y04cm3V.png
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2015-06-27T18:52:05 < yan_> woo, fixed it! shorted it manually
2015-06-27T18:54:12 < Laurenceb_> holy shit i lolled https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuddlr
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2015-06-27T19:14:43 < kakimir_> can't you connect your usb3 hub full of usb2 devices all using full line of 480mbps and it gives full performance for every device?
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2015-06-27T19:15:06 < kakimir_> until that around that 5gbps limit?
2015-06-27T19:18:19 < kakimir_> should test it
2015-06-27T19:18:37 < kakimir_> there may be differences between hubs
2015-06-27T19:20:21 < MrMobius> so switching my pins from inputs to outputs with the HAL stuff was stealing a massive amount of cycles. it runs 7 times faster without that.
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2015-06-27T19:49:22 < scummos> kakimir_: that is an interesting question, I would be interested in the answer as well
2015-06-27T19:51:48 < GargantuaSauce> i believe the answer is no
2015-06-27T19:51:56 < GargantuaSauce> you'll get end-to-end usb 2 performance
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2015-06-27T19:55:41 < scummos> but why?
2015-06-27T19:55:56 < scummos> I mean yes, you get end-to-end USB2 performance for each device
2015-06-27T19:59:38 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.gaw.ru/pdf/interface/usb/USB%203%200_english.pdf
2015-06-27T19:59:51 < GargantuaSauce> p 3-11
2015-06-27T20:00:20 < scrts> dongs-> here? can you drop me a link for 1080p display you bought?
2015-06-27T20:01:16 < englishman> 1080p?
2015-06-27T20:01:23 < englishman> is it 4"?
2015-06-27T20:05:28  * scummos mumbles something about people being too cool to have normal line numbers
2015-06-27T20:06:32 < scummos> GargantuaSauce: hm, okay, that's sad :(
2015-06-27T20:06:43 < GargantuaSauce> yes
2015-06-27T20:06:59 < GargantuaSauce> i guess theoretically there could be a usb2 root hub with a usb3 interface on the ass-end
2015-06-27T20:07:04 < scrts> englishman-> kinda that size, yes
2015-06-27T20:07:06 < scrts> maybe 5"
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2015-06-27T20:27:59 < Laurenceb_> lulz http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/
2015-06-27T20:30:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/3batsk/my_chocolate_digestive_was_chocolate_coated_on/
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2015-06-27T20:32:28 < ReadError> Now that gay marriage is legal in all states, should I get married in gas, liquid or solid state? (self.shittyaskscience)
2015-06-27T20:33:17 < Laurenceb_> plasma
2015-06-27T20:33:47 < PeterM> kakimir_, GargantuaSauce, scummos regarding the USB3 USB2 hubs things, i've looked into it before, there are a few controlelrs that are a USB3 device + 4 USB 2 host controllers, but the majority are jsut a USB3 hub + USB 2 hub in one part.
2015-06-27T20:34:10 < scummos> ah, okay, so I could find a box which does that
2015-06-27T20:34:12 < scummos> interesting
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2015-06-27T20:46:59 < PeterM> scummos, yes you oculd, but it would be quite rare, i cna't fidn the chip that i saw that does it but i know it exists
2015-06-27T20:54:45 < upgrdman> lol   http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/THE-SYSTEM-WORKS.jpg
2015-06-27T20:58:10 < PeterM> hey thats the website i linked the other day
2015-06-27T20:58:47 < ReadError> but didnt it say like "what now ese??"
2015-06-27T21:01:54 < ReadError> did you update and change the cable ?
2015-06-27T21:01:56 < GargantuaSauce> its not that fucking hard to engage someone diplomatically, you moron
2015-06-27T21:04:22 < PeterM> dontclickthis.whatingods.name/mri.jpg
2015-06-27T21:06:14 < ReadError> i cant click it, theres no http://
2015-06-27T21:07:55 < PeterM> good
2015-06-27T21:12:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.torquinggroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137&start=60
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2015-06-27T21:15:02 < GargantuaSauce>  If you are indeed a skilled electronics and embedded systems engineer and you simply can't see how Zano is possible, I suggest you look harder, look to see what is possible then push the limits.
2015-06-27T21:15:02 < GargantuaSauce> Once upon a time, it was science fact that the earth was flat.
2015-06-27T21:15:08 < GargantuaSauce> i died
2015-06-27T21:15:26 < BrainDamage> literally?
2015-06-27T21:15:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dontclickthis.whatingods.name/Agnes-desktop.jpg
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2015-06-27T21:45:45 < Steffanx> i guess the mesage included some bad language?
2015-06-27T21:45:48 < Steffanx> *message
2015-06-27T21:47:41 < Steffanx> true true, but probably also not the most diplomatic way to say something is bad.
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2015-06-27T21:49:59 < Steffanx> [;.]'/
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2015-06-27T21:56:24 < Steffanx> made a copy of your complaints? Im curious what your issues are/were
2015-06-27T21:56:46 < Steffanx> i thought people were pretty happy with synology
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2015-06-27T22:00:10 < Tectu> I got my first synology last week
2015-06-27T22:00:10 < Tectu> pretty damn happy with it
2015-06-27T22:00:10 < Steffanx> samba stuff R2COM?
2015-06-27T22:00:17 < Tectu> superbia, how did you get out of my ignore list?!
2015-06-27T22:00:35 < Tectu> R2COM, what DS do you have?
2015-06-27T22:00:55 < Tectu> R2COM, I got a DS214+, added two Western Digital RE 2TB that have already like 20'000 hours and it runs just fine
2015-06-27T22:01:09 < Tectu> with streaming movies, downloading crap, 120MB/s read and 110MB/s write speed
2015-06-27T22:01:34 < Tectu> R2COM, bro tip: don't get a 'j' version
2015-06-27T22:01:59 < Tectu> because it's resource-vise underpowered
2015-06-27T22:02:10 < Tectu> R2COM, anyway, is it a new one or did you have it running for a while and issues now?
2015-06-27T22:02:42 < Tectu> R2COM, did you do full drive check?
2015-06-27T22:03:15 < Tectu> try that
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2015-06-27T22:04:13 < Tectu> did you contact synology support?
2015-06-27T22:06:18 < Tectu> R2COM, just digging in the dark but did you make sure that' it's not just a routing issue or something? Had a similar issue once (not with a synology) and turned out that the router FW had some memory leaky issues and that stack overflows occured and corrupted large file transfers
2015-06-27T22:07:06 < Tectu> :(
2015-06-27T22:07:14 < Tectu> so no movies for you today?
2015-06-27T22:10:55 < Tectu> wurt
2015-06-27T22:10:59 < Tectu> NAS for PDFs?
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2015-06-27T22:16:28 < Steffanx> everything he does requires NDA'ed pdfs you have to save your copy ;)
2015-06-27T22:16:53 < Tectu> got some pictures of jpa- too?
2015-06-27T22:25:55 < Tectu> R2COM, reading...
2015-06-27T22:26:57 < Tectu> R2COM, well the points they list are true but totally irrelevant in my opinion
2015-06-27T22:27:30 < Tectu> R2COM, I had many different backup and sever solutions over the past decade including custom server running different linux distributions, some FreeNAS build and a synology.
2015-06-27T22:28:10 < Tectu> R2COM, when you're just after file storage you can't go wrong with a NAS (assuming you get a decent one like a synology DS) and in fact it's the easiest and most reliable solution
2015-06-27T22:29:08 < Tectu> R2COM, you can run web- and mail servers on your synology but I'd recommend not to go there unless you have a higher spec'd Synology device with multiple drive bays. And when you have needs like web- and mailserver you probably don't want to go for a NAS anyway but with a real dedicated server instead.
2015-06-27T22:29:21 < Tectu> R2COM, it's just that I have learned that it's best to separate server services and file sharing/storing.
2015-06-27T22:31:15 < Tectu> R2COM, IMHO getting a decent synology DS is the best option for that. But it's just my opinion but I have enough experiences with different systems both at smaller company level, institute level and home level
2015-06-27T22:32:28 < Tectu> R2COM, nothing wrong with that. I think it's a bit underspec'd when you have more than one person in the network using it. That's why I got the DS214+ (+ is two levels above the j version)
2015-06-27T22:34:05 < ReadError> Tectu, his network is flapping
2015-06-27T22:34:19 < ReadError> i have a bunch of iSCSI luns and vmware running off my j
2015-06-27T22:34:42 < ReadError> and network shares/nfs for usenet etc
2015-06-27T22:34:48 < ReadError> my nic never flaps tho
2015-06-27T22:34:52 < ReadError> suspect hardware issue
2015-06-27T22:35:05 < Tectu> ReadError, wut, you have VMware machines running off a network drive?
2015-06-27T22:35:15 < ReadError> Tectu, nothing critical
2015-06-27T22:35:19 < ReadError> just at home...
2015-06-27T22:35:22 < Tectu> ReadError, as in putting the disk files on the samba share and starting on your client?
2015-06-27T22:35:26 < ReadError> no
2015-06-27T22:35:27 < Tectu> ReadError, what's the performance on that setup?
2015-06-27T22:35:31 < ReadError> iSCSI
2015-06-27T22:35:32 < Tectu> like none? :P
2015-06-27T22:35:40 < ReadError> uhm plenty fast
2015-06-27T22:35:44 < Tectu> ReadError, I read that once. Can you remind me about it?
2015-06-27T22:35:47 < ReadError> its just so i can move vms around
2015-06-27T22:36:13 < ReadError> and fire up unfrequently used ones
2015-06-27T22:36:28 < Tectu> ReadError, ah, so you just move them from the NAS to your local machine, fire it up, put it back?
2015-06-27T22:36:47 < ReadError> i have 2 esxi boxes
2015-06-27T22:36:51 < ReadError> its shared storage between them
2015-06-27T22:37:07 < ReadError> migrations etc
2015-06-27T22:37:46 < Tectu> where do you have the money for esxi at home?
2015-06-27T22:38:37 < ReadError> its free
2015-06-27T22:38:50 < ReadError> vcenter however cost $$$
2015-06-27T22:38:58 < ReadError> but ESXi itself is/was free
2015-06-27T22:39:03 < ReadError> still is im pretty sure
2015-06-27T22:40:00 < Tectu> ah, okay
2015-06-27T22:40:22 < Tectu> I have a few VMs that I start up occasionally, but nothing too serious
2015-06-27T22:40:25 < Tectu> just VMWare player
2015-06-27T22:40:35 < Tectu> Steffanx is a huge VMware fan
2015-06-27T22:40:57 < Steffanx> oh i am?
2015-06-27T22:41:06 < Tectu> yep - tell the story <3
2015-06-27T22:41:13 < Steffanx> i use virtualbox, parallels and vmware .. and that makes me a fan of vmware?
2015-06-27T22:41:20 < Steffanx> *used
2015-06-27T22:41:44 < Tectu> because you gave them your money and they screwed you up or something and you'd have to give them more of your money
2015-06-27T22:41:49 < Tectu> or something similar
2015-06-27T22:42:03 < Steffanx> oh that
2015-06-27T22:42:38 < Steffanx> they didnt screw up, they just want me to pay more monnies because i upgraded my os
2015-06-27T22:45:28 < ReadError> are we talking about the same vmware?
2015-06-27T22:45:40 < ReadError> like the standalone hypervisor server
2015-06-27T22:45:47 < ReadError> not the desktop app
2015-06-27T22:46:39 < Steffanx> no, we are not ReadError
2015-06-27T22:47:07 < Steffanx> i mean, yes the same vmware, but not the same tool/sw
2015-06-27T22:47:35 < ReadError> R2COM could be several reasons why you cant unmount
2015-06-27T22:47:44 < ReadError> its 1) in use, 2) dont have permissions
2015-06-27T22:48:55 < ReadError> lol its easy stuff man
2015-06-27T22:49:12 < ReadError> yea
2015-06-27T22:49:15 < ReadError> but like I said
2015-06-27T22:49:22 < ReadError> chances are you have a hardware issue
2015-06-27T22:49:24 < ReadError> somewhere..
2015-06-27T22:49:36 < ReadError> link flaps are 99% of the time that
2015-06-27T22:49:48 < Tectu> learn your RF
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2015-06-27T22:50:29 < Tectu> sorry, spam
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2015-06-27T22:50:54 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/nC0Ow7R.png
2015-06-27T22:50:59 < ReadError> so much of these for the past few days
2015-06-27T22:54:58 < Laurenceb_> its funny cuz my brother has a confed flag on his pick up
2015-06-27T22:58:14 < karlp> turns out flags don' thave taht many variations in them?
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2015-06-28T00:06:41 < kakimir_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbW5Hb1RvR1ZXN3c/edit?usp=docslist_api
2015-06-28T00:09:49 < upgrdman> "you need permission..."
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2015-06-28T00:18:07 < Laurenceb_> wait wut
2015-06-28T00:18:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2015/jun/10/tim-hunt-old-men-women-controversy-science
2015-06-28T00:18:20 < Laurenceb_> Poe strikes again
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2015-06-28T00:23:21 < kakimir_> now?
2015-06-28T00:25:18 < Laurenceb_> what happened to the wing?
2015-06-28T00:25:25 < Laurenceb_> what are you doing with it? just rc?
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2015-06-28T00:26:36 < kakimir_> drunken athlete had his best throw
2015-06-28T00:26:55 < kakimir_> it qas killer
2015-06-28T00:27:00 < kakimir_> was
2015-06-28T00:27:26 < Laurenceb_> ah
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2015-06-28T03:02:59 < sector_0> have any of you guys used an stm32 board as a 3d printer/CNC controller?
2015-06-28T03:03:28 < sector_0> I wanna build one but all I have is an STM32F4-discovery handy
2015-06-28T03:04:03 < Rickta59> when you get it working I'll use it sector_0
2015-06-28T03:04:56 < sector_0> Rickta59, sure thing, but I'm think hoping I don't have to reinvent the wheel with this one
2015-06-28T03:05:05 < Rickta59> have you googled for it?
2015-06-28T03:05:07 < Rickta59> there are a few
2015-06-28T03:05:31 < sector_0> Rickta59, I only came across a GRBL implementation but I haven't tested it
2015-06-28T03:05:46 < Rickta59> stm32 marlin .. google that
2015-06-28T03:06:36 < sector_0> NICE!
2015-06-28T03:06:51 < Rickta59> i've not tried those
2015-06-28T03:07:04 < sector_0> that's nothing
2015-06-28T03:07:15 < sector_0> at least now I know they're options
2015-06-28T03:07:42 < Rickta59> repeiter runs on 32 bit
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2015-06-28T03:09:01 < sector_0> there's an SMT32 implementation?
2015-06-28T03:09:06 < Rickta59> and there is an mbed based one .. can't remember its name
2015-06-28T03:09:19 < Rickta59> i don't know about repetier .. i do know it runs on some arms
2015-06-28T03:09:47 < sector_0> oh ok
2015-06-28T03:10:06 < sector_0> I guess I'll check that one out as well
2015-06-28T03:10:16 < Rickta59> smoothie?
2015-06-28T03:10:34 < Rickta59> that one .. is mbed based .. so you should be able to get it to run on stm32
2015-06-28T03:11:18 < sector_0> oh ok
2015-06-28T03:11:36 < Rickta59> it is targetted at an lpc17xx though
2015-06-28T03:11:43 < Rickta59> don't know if they are doing nxp specific stuff
2015-06-28T03:11:55 < sector_0> yeah I just looked it up
2015-06-28T03:12:03 < sector_0> that was my first concern
2015-06-28T03:12:21 < sector_0> the marlin seems to be my best bet at the moment
2015-06-28T03:12:24 < Rickta59> https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothieware/blob/edge/src/libs/Adc.cpp#L39
2015-06-28T03:12:33 < sector_0> then the grbl stm32
2015-06-28T03:12:34 < Rickta59> seems like yes they are doing LPC specific stuff
2015-06-28T03:12:55 < sector_0> if those don't work then I'll check out the repetier and the smoothie
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2015-06-28T03:13:32 < sector_0> also i should mention that I'm building a corexy system
2015-06-28T03:13:48 < Rickta59> well if you end up getting it working please post here
2015-06-28T03:13:59 < sector_0> Rickta59, ok I will
2015-06-28T03:14:05 < sector_0> thanks for the help
2015-06-28T03:14:07 < Rickta59> i've been meaning to do a port .. but i figured the longer I wait the more likely that someone else will do it
2015-06-28T03:14:10 < Rickta59> :)
2015-06-28T03:15:09 < sector_0> heh
2015-06-28T03:15:41 < sector_0> well I started out hoping that someone else would do it first before I got stuck with the task :p
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2015-06-28T04:25:42 < dongs> scrts: TS8060A
2015-06-28T04:26:20 < englishman> dongs, currently basking in 4k goodness
2015-06-28T04:27:01 < dongs> cool
2015-06-28T04:27:05 < dongs> how goodness is it
2015-06-28T04:27:07 < dongs> amaze right
2015-06-28T04:27:25 < englishman> i like how everything seems inferior
2015-06-28T04:27:37 < englishman> what used to be high res is now shitty tiny pic
2015-06-28T04:27:51 < englishman> now, i am the superior race
2015-06-28T04:27:59 < englishman> and everyone else is trying to catch up
2015-06-28T04:28:04 < dongs> yep
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2015-06-28T04:28:10 < dongs> when i remote into peoples laptops
2015-06-28T04:28:13 < englishman> liek mac users
2015-06-28T04:28:20 < dongs> and tehy show up in like 1376x768 window
2015-06-28T04:28:22 < dongs> on my desktop
2015-06-28T04:28:29 < englishman> pff what is this tiny computer???
2015-06-28T04:29:14 < englishman> i like how i can actually see tons of shit in lists like windows explorer
2015-06-28T04:29:26 < ReadError> did u change the scaling?
2015-06-28T04:29:34 < ReadError> 100% is too tiny
2015-06-28T04:29:45 < englishman> YES because retarded nvidia drivers default to 9000% or some shit
2015-06-28T04:29:51 < dongs> lolol
2015-06-28T04:30:01 < dongs> and on win8.x make sure to choose "use same scaling for all displays"
2015-06-28T04:30:06 < englishman> yeah did that
2015-06-28T04:30:08 < dongs> to use old DPI stuff instead of retarded fuzzy scaling
2015-06-28T04:30:10 < englishman> its at like 125%
2015-06-28T04:30:16 < dongs> yes, same as here.
2015-06-28T04:30:18 < ReadError> only shit part about 4k: some apps cant do it right
2015-06-28T04:30:25 < dongs> all apps that mattert work fine
2015-06-28T04:30:28 < ReadError> UI bugs
2015-06-28T04:30:28 < englishman> why is that shit about 4k
2015-06-28T04:30:35 < englishman> sounds like its shitty to use shitty apps
2015-06-28T04:31:01 < ReadError> even altium has issues in some of the tools
2015-06-28T04:31:06 < ReadError> put that in ur bong
2015-06-28T04:31:17 < englishman> dongs what is your fav sushi we are having sushi tonight
2015-06-28T04:31:52 < ReadError> wow thats racist, hes in japan so he must love sushi
2015-06-28T04:32:01 < dongs> ror
2015-06-28T04:32:09 < ReadError> whats ur favorite kind of syrup, CANADIAN
2015-06-28T04:32:16 < englishman> clear #3
2015-06-28T04:32:25 < englishman> why
2015-06-28T04:56:47 < dongs> why the fuck are all the fucking sites have gay rainbows on tehm
2015-06-28T04:57:01 < dongs> shithub, imgur, etc
2015-06-28T04:57:06 < dongs> next im gonna open google and see that shit
2015-06-28T04:57:06 < dongs> god damn
2015-06-28T04:57:38 < aandrew> word to the goat herd
2015-06-28T04:58:27 < aandrew> altium in 4k would be nice
2015-06-28T04:58:45 < dongs> altium on 2 4k screens is even nicert
2015-06-28T04:58:59 < dongs> i can stick stuff im cloning on one and real work on another
2015-06-28T04:59:02 < aandrew> dual 23" 2048xwhatever I have now is ok, but 4k would be amazing
2015-06-28T04:59:07 < dongs> double the productivity
2015-06-28T04:59:22 < dongs> and 3rd monitor on top playing some shitty anniemay in 60fps
2015-06-28T04:59:30 < aandrew> heh
2015-06-28T04:59:31 < aandrew> I do that
2015-06-28T04:59:55 < aandrew> laptop screen + external display for work, iphone in the corner on a pair of helping hands playing movies or someshit for distraction
2015-06-28T05:01:49 < dongs> surfacebro3 can only do 4K @ 50Hz max :( i had no idea
2015-06-28T05:01:58 < dongs> whats weird is you can run 2 jewpad screens with MST
2015-06-28T05:02:03 < dongs> which would make it 4096x1536
2015-06-28T05:02:19 < dongs> so its weird that they would have a limitation for 3840x2160 or wahtever
2015-06-28T05:11:32 < aandrew> jewpad?
2015-06-28T05:11:50 < aandrew> I've heard very, very good things about the surface2, haven't seen the 3 yet
2015-06-28T05:12:24 < dongs> 3pro is old
2015-06-28T05:12:26 < dongs> like 1year+?
2015-06-28T05:12:33 < dongs> the new 3 is kinda meh cuz its some atom/celeron thingy
2015-06-28T05:12:44 < dongs> but for $500 its still infinitely beter deal than anything from apple
2015-06-28T05:14:40 < aandrew> I have a hard time working with windows. it's definitely improved over the years but ther's a lot of baggage there
2015-06-28T05:15:19 < dongs> thats cuz youre a fag
2015-06-28T05:15:44 < dongs> aandrew: ipad eDP screens on a MST hub
2015-06-28T05:16:17 < aandrew> I don't understand that sentence
2015-06-28T05:16:22 < aandrew> I know what eDP screens are
2015-06-28T05:16:33 < aandrew> but what's an MST hub?
2015-06-28T05:16:49 < dongs> displayport hub . splits one uplink into 3 dp ports
2015-06-28T05:16:59 < dongs> so you can run like 3 1080piss monitors off one port
2015-06-28T05:17:09 < dongs> or 2 2048x1536
2015-06-28T05:17:24 < dongs> http://www.startech.com/AV/Displayport-Converters/Mini-DisplayPort-Triple-Head-DisplayPort-Multi-Monitor-MST-Hub~MSTMDP123DP
2015-06-28T05:17:35 < dongs> i think i've seen one for 4 ports too
2015-06-28T05:17:49 < aandrew> ahh
2015-06-28T05:18:04 < dongs> englishman's new 4k dell also has it
2015-06-28T05:18:16 < dongs> has DP out so you can piggyback a shittier panel off of that
2015-06-28T05:18:17 < aandrew> I have a nice usb3 "docking station" which has two displaylink video cards in it
2015-06-28T05:18:36 < dongs> heh,, ive used displaylink, much aids
2015-06-28T05:18:44 < aandrew> yeah for sure
2015-06-28T05:18:52 < aandrew> it's not terrible but it's not bad
2015-06-28T05:18:59 < dongs> http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/multi-stream-transport-mst-hub.1655.html 4port heh
2015-06-28T05:19:55 < aandrew> I wonder how this hd4000 gfx card would handle four displays (laptop + 3 external)
2015-06-28T05:20:04 < dongs> intel?
2015-06-28T05:20:05 < aandrew> I definitely notice some lag on scrolling a 1080p screen off it now
2015-06-28T05:20:06 < dongs> it wont
2015-06-28T05:20:07 < aandrew> yeah
2015-06-28T05:20:13 < dongs> check ark.intel, it shows max displays
2015-06-28T05:20:23 < dongs> i think most onboard shit is max 3
2015-06-28T05:20:40 < aandrew> yeah so I'm stuck with displaylink
2015-06-28T05:21:59 < aandrew> hm
2015-06-28T05:22:11 < aandrew> it's not part of the CPU, there's an i7 in here
2015-06-28T05:22:17 < dongs> huh
2015-06-28T05:22:22 < dongs> what the fuck is it then?
2015-06-28T05:22:37 < dongs> yea its something they had in old ivy bridge i7s
2015-06-28T05:22:55 < aandrew> no this is haswell
2015-06-28T05:23:02 < dongs> err tghen its not 4000
2015-06-28T05:23:05 < dongs> 4xxx something yes
2015-06-28T05:23:19 < aandrew> hm, it's showing upas 4000
2015-06-28T05:23:26 < aandrew> it also says built in
2015-06-28T05:23:27 < ReadError> I kinda want one of those little win8 tablets
2015-06-28T05:23:30 < aandrew> but I thought i7s did not have built in
2015-06-28T05:23:37 < ReadError> the cheap 80$ atom shits
2015-06-28T05:23:54 < dongs> aandrew: er of course they do
2015-06-28T05:24:11 < aandrew> hm I thought it was only i3/i5 that had built in video
2015-06-28T05:24:27 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz < my i7, has HD 4600
2015-06-28T05:24:55 < dongs> # of Displays Supported .3
2015-06-28T05:25:48 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone give me a hand on how to setup OpenOCD to work with STLinkV2 and STM32F103C8?
2015-06-28T05:26:02 < ColdKeyboard> I tried few tutorials I found out on google but none of them work for me :\
2015-06-28T05:26:10 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: er, isnt that just standard
2015-06-28T05:26:23 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: dont use texane, i think it natively supports the shit now?
2015-06-28T05:26:25 < aandrew> hm
2015-06-28T05:26:34 < aandrew> the serial number lookup for this is showing i5 which it definitely is not
2015-06-28T05:26:43 < dongs> trolld
2015-06-28T05:26:45 < dongs> waht does cpuz say
2015-06-28T05:26:59 < ColdKeyboard> I get errrors
2015-06-28T05:27:02 < ColdKeyboard> Error: expected 1 of 1: 0x2ba01477
2015-06-28T05:27:06 < ColdKeyboard> in procedure 'init'
2015-06-28T05:27:06 < ColdKeyboard> in procedure 'ocd_bouncer'
2015-06-28T05:27:14 < dongs> PaulFertser: ^
2015-06-28T05:27:41 < aandrew> the standard model is i5, this is i7-2GHz
2015-06-28T05:30:10 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/87718/ ohh whats this
2015-06-28T05:31:45 < aandrew> dongs: I see, interesting. I didn't realize that
2015-06-28T05:31:55 < dongs> have you been trolled
2015-06-28T05:32:18 < aandrew> nah
2015-06-28T05:32:40 < aandrew> what's interesting that the same thing is still the same price I paid for it 2y ago now, only intel 6000 gfx instead of 4000
2015-06-28T05:33:43 < dongs> ah that R thing is la ptop
2015-06-28T05:33:44 < dongs> wtf
2015-06-28T05:33:45 < dongs> fff
2015-06-28T05:34:48 < aandrew> R thing?
2015-06-28T05:35:17 < dongs> < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/87718/ ohh whats this
2015-06-28T05:36:37 < dongs> ah, C version is desktop
2015-06-28T05:36:38 < dongs> socket
2015-06-28T05:36:42 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/88040/
2015-06-28T05:38:21 < dongs> i dont need to upgrade my shit yet. but finally they released a desktop version of the 14nm stuff
2015-06-28T05:38:21 < dongs> that isnt underpwoered garbage
2015-06-28T05:39:06 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/85214/Intel-Core-i7-5500U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_00-GHz like this fuck offfffffffffffffff
2015-06-28T05:40:53 < dongs> bored
2015-06-28T05:40:55 < dongs> need to do something useful
2015-06-28T05:41:04 < dongs> drove 15km on bike today in the morning
2015-06-28T05:41:09 < dongs> R2COM: nice
2015-06-28T05:41:28 < dongs> did you pull out your AK47 and teach him a lesson
2015-06-28T05:43:09 < emeb_mac> guy I know had relatives that worked in mall stores - policy was to not stop shoplifters.
2015-06-28T05:43:16 < emeb_mac> makes the store seem mean apparently
2015-06-28T05:43:36 < dongs> and???
2015-06-28T05:50:26 < emeb_mac> so they just eat the losses
2015-06-28T05:50:26 < emeb_mac> "cost of doing business"
2015-06-28T05:50:27 < dongs> record on dashcam
2015-06-28T05:50:27 < emeb_mac> V. Putin would feed him to his tigers.
2015-06-28T05:50:27 < emeb_mac> +1
2015-06-28T05:50:27 < emeb_mac> post on ewet00b
2015-06-28T05:50:27 < aandrew> ewetube, is that what they've got in scotland?
2015-06-28T05:50:27 < emeb_mac> dongs on bicycles: http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/06/naked_bike_ride_10_things.html#0
2015-06-28T05:50:28 < dongs> one of my pals in in oregon, and an avid biker
2015-06-28T05:50:28 < dongs> that very well might be him
2015-06-28T05:50:28 < dongs> will tweet and ask
2015-06-28T05:50:28 < emeb_mac> apparently it's quite a thing
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2015-06-28T05:50:34 < emeb_mac> another SpaceX launch in the morning I hear
2015-06-28T05:52:23 < emeb_mac> and another attempt to land the booster on a boat
2015-06-28T05:55:34 < emeb_mac> ya
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2015-06-28T05:57:16 < emeb_mac> it's always about you.
2015-06-28T05:57:28 < emeb_mac> so I hear that the F7 Disco will have ethernet jack. That'll be handy.
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2015-06-28T06:13:37 < aandrew> I'm more of a cubic 4-day person myself
2015-06-28T06:34:53 < dongs> +1 I'd like to see a flying Zano video + taking pics etc.. Can you not take a video of uncertified Zano is that illegal?
2015-06-28T06:35:32 < dongs> I just spent my overpledge amount at flyzano.com. I ordered some accessories and a red zano. Only red and green zanos were available. I actually wanted a white zano, but I guess that a red one will do as well.
2015-06-28T06:35:36 < dongs> haha
2015-06-28T06:35:51 < dongs> i suspect tehy dont have much more to lie, the onboard video unless faked will be awful
2015-06-28T06:35:55 < dongs> and people will start raging in droves
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2015-06-28T06:52:33 < aandrew> hm
2015-06-28T06:52:42 < aandrew> this stm32cube thing doesn't have a simple makefile
2015-06-28T06:52:55 < aandrew> it's got 4 different toolchains but none seem to be plain old make
2015-06-28T06:53:52 < aandrew> yeah, how about fuck no
2015-06-28T06:53:59 < aandrew> I see the smiley
2015-06-28T06:55:21 < aandrew> I get to bill it, I don't care
2015-06-28T06:56:03 < aandrew> looks like SW4STM32 is closest, I see a regular old linker file there
2015-06-28T06:59:20 < aandrew> TrueStudio looks like it'd work too
2015-06-28T07:04:31 < MrMobius> aandrew, cube is kind of a clusterfuck
2015-06-28T07:04:48 < aandrew> lol $3600 for a truestudio license, wow
2015-06-28T07:04:54 < MrMobius> aandrew, i had luck with the Openstm32 IDE. it can open WS4STM32 projects generated by cube with a little fiddling
2015-06-28T07:05:16 < aandrew> MrMobius: interesting, thanks for the tip, I'll check it out
2015-06-28T07:05:35 < ReadError> so openstm32 ide is ST's official IDE?
2015-06-28T07:05:39 < ReadError> some eclipse shit?
2015-06-28T07:05:41 < MrMobius> hahahaha
2015-06-28T07:05:53 < MrMobius> ST doesnt give you official anything
2015-06-28T07:06:07 < ReadError> right but they where supposed to be launching their own IDE this year
2015-06-28T07:06:13 < ReadError> and someone told me it was openstm32
2015-06-28T07:06:21 < ReadError> which seems like garbo
2015-06-28T07:06:39 < aandrew> openstm32 is a web ide?
2015-06-28T07:06:43 < MrMobius> well its free, compiles, and can open the cube nonsense
2015-06-28T07:06:50 < MrMobius> which i cant say about anything else ive tried
2015-06-28T07:06:56 < ReadError> keil?
2015-06-28T07:07:10 < MrMobius> keil is not free
2015-06-28T07:07:49 < aandrew> right just wondering if it's web based
2015-06-28T07:07:53 < aandrew> I don't see a download link
2015-06-28T07:08:04 < MrMobius> aandrew, no its eclipse so you download it
2015-06-28T07:08:10 < aandrew> ahh
2015-06-28T07:08:10 < ReadError> web based you have mbed
2015-06-28T07:08:13 < aandrew> eclipse
2015-06-28T07:08:16 < aandrew> my old nemesis
2015-06-28T07:08:24 < ReadError> ugghhhclipse
2015-06-28T07:35:41 < aandrew> download eclipse. you need new jdk. download java. fucking thing was the plugin. download the jdk this time
2015-06-28T07:35:46 < aandrew> wonder what else I need
2015-06-28T07:35:57 < aandrew> now you know why I like my cli
2015-06-28T07:35:59 < aandrew> fuck this shit
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2015-06-28T07:40:21 < upgrdman> lol   http://i.imgur.com/bHhmhVW.jpg
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2015-06-28T07:51:16 < aandrew> https://github.com/baoshi/CubeMX2Makefile
2015-06-28T07:51:19 < aandrew> that looks helpful
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2015-06-28T07:52:11 < emeb_mac> very interesting!
2015-06-28T07:57:24 < dongs> upgrdman: holy fucking fuck that is older than jesus
2015-06-28T07:57:36 < upgrdman> :)
2015-06-28T07:57:44 < dongs> that video is at least like 10 years old
2015-06-28T07:57:46 < dongs> i think its also jap
2015-06-28T07:57:52 < upgrdman> srsly?
2015-06-28T07:58:07 < dongs> im pretty sure when i was watching the original on jewtube i could hear jappu kawaii talking
2015-06-28T07:58:31 < dongs> ah no
2015-06-28T07:58:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPosTPSXxw
2015-06-28T07:58:41 < dongs> so its at least 2008 old
2015-06-28T07:59:02 < dongs> must have been another one monkey related + japs
2015-06-28T08:34:31 < upgrdman> actually LOL'd    http://imgur.com/a/et5bD
2015-06-28T08:53:24 < upgrdman> this little japanese girl is so adorable    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqwxJts-6yF33rupyF_DCsA/videos
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2015-06-28T08:57:40 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: ping
2015-06-28T08:58:25 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: please pastebin a -d3 log somewhere. Do I understand it right that you're using stlinkv2 with an f103 target?
2015-06-28T08:59:25 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: also, there's the official README and manual, they're supposed to be used instead of random tutorials ;)
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2015-06-28T09:33:55 < upgrdman> is this kapton tape on a rocket?  https://thisworldandothers.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/20130423-232832.jpg
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2015-06-28T10:13:31 < PeterM> upgrdman, it may also be metalized mylar
2015-06-28T10:13:46 < upgrdman> o
2015-06-28T10:14:54 < PeterM> both have a similar appearance in thin layers
2015-06-28T10:15:13 < PeterM> mylar melts at a lower temp though
2015-06-28T10:17:46 < upgrdman> kapton is good to ~250C, right?
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2015-06-28T10:33:27 < PeterM> 400 cfor good stuff
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2015-06-28T10:33:52 < PeterM> also, [15:34] <upgrdman> actually LOL'd    http://imgur.com/a/et5bD i have an ACD, was amaze monitor when was new
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2015-06-28T12:46:25 < dongs> < PeterM> also, [15:34] <upgrdman> actually LOL'd    http://imgur.com/a/et5bD i have an ACD, was amaze monitor when was new
2015-06-28T12:46:37 < dongs> too bad they dont make them in 24" and with a zero off the price removed
2015-06-28T12:46:45 < dongs> until then only assholes can afford/want to buy one
2015-06-28T12:46:49 < dongs> 30" is retarded as fuk for a desk
2015-06-28T12:46:54 < dongs> also: not 4k
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2015-06-28T12:54:09 < ReadError> yea but 10+ years ago
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2015-06-28T13:12:00 < PeterM> 30" isnt that bad for a desk.
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2015-06-28T13:13:10 < PeterM> no such thing as 4k when i bought it ( i boutght mid 2010, was most affordable 2560x1600 lcd at the tiem)
2015-06-28T13:13:53 < PeterM> i had 20" 1600x1200 either side rotated so they were 1600x1200
2015-06-28T13:13:54 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/HFnOhca.jpg
2015-06-28T13:23:43 < dongs> nice blackout of your eve online multiboxing
2015-06-28T13:25:33 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311391502709
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2015-06-28T13:35:46 < PeterM> nah webcam was on
2015-06-28T13:50:40 < karlp> nice shotgun shell storage location too :)
2015-06-28T13:54:34 < jpa-> that photo looks totally photoshopped, you can see from the pixels where the glass goes behind the green!
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2015-06-28T14:21:48 < dongs> Did you know? Microsoft Edge takes a note from the 'edging' concept -- masturbating but not to fruition. The idea is that Microsoft will never make a browser that will ever make you cum.
2015-06-28T14:24:18 < Steffanx> Boring.
2015-06-28T14:24:21 < dongs> sorry.
2015-06-28T14:24:49 < Steffanx> :P
2015-06-28T14:32:22 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/22/tech/pepper-robot-sold-out/ here['s some useless shit
2015-06-28T14:34:25 < ReadError> dongs question
2015-06-28T14:34:34 < ReadError> what attracted you to the zano project
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2015-06-28T14:43:53 < ehsanv> take a look: http://www.infradead.org/recruitment.html
2015-06-28T14:49:54 < Steffanx> hope for him he already found a job
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2015-06-28T15:05:04 < dongs> that domain sounds very familiar
2015-06-28T15:05:13 < dongs> it might be some dude i know on irc
2015-06-28T15:06:07 < zyp> yeah, I remember sharing channels with a nick like that
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2015-06-28T15:07:20 < ehsanv> he's the creator of 'openconnect' as far as i know
2015-06-28T15:07:36 < ehsanv> AUTHORS
2015-06-28T15:07:36 < ehsanv>        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
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2015-06-28T15:09:42 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oHu3oPqebq8
2015-06-28T15:10:36 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-06-28T15:10:44 < Steffanx> and it will be over 50$ too bad
2015-06-28T15:10:46 < Laurenceb_> i was expecting the "Link" to be pron
2015-06-28T15:11:00 < Laurenceb_> file:///usr/src/linux/CREDITS
2015-06-28T15:11:01 < Laurenceb_> wut
2015-06-28T15:11:11 < dongs> he's trying to say that hes a useless lunix kernel developer
2015-06-28T15:11:22 < dongs> and his 'girlfriend' is imaginary
2015-06-28T15:12:40 < Laurenceb_> his girlfriend  http://i.imgur.com/Yr7G7uu.jpg
2015-06-28T15:12:57 < dongs> is that a dude
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2015-06-28T15:14:02 < Steffanx> no its Laurenceb_
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2015-06-28T15:45:48 < karlp> woody does mtd and yaffs and a few other things too iirc.
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2015-06-28T16:04:48 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/kZZ6fIB
2015-06-28T16:08:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/T9Kd55o.jpg
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2015-06-28T17:10:14 < karlp> pi+bbb just to have in the demo kit? http://www.nxp.com/scale-image/w-800/documents/marcom_graphics/OM5577.jpg
2015-06-28T17:11:05 < dongs> cuz dumbs like dumb
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2015-06-28T17:18:21 < Steffanx> r2com's project is soon trying to land again.
2015-06-28T17:18:49 < Steffanx> but first it has to get up
2015-06-28T17:24:58 < Steffanx> lol, boom..
2015-06-28T17:25:00 < Steffanx> oops
2015-06-28T17:26:32 < PeterM> Steffanx, that was the entire rocket going pop right?]
2015-06-28T17:28:09 < karlp> is there a replay on that yet?
2015-06-28T17:28:13 < Steffanx> Looks like it, yes.
2015-06-28T17:29:45 < Steffanx> yes karlp there is
2015-06-28T17:30:07 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/ZeiBFtkrZEw?t=23m37s
2015-06-28T17:30:39 < jpa-> "magic, no more rocket"
2015-06-28T17:31:04 < PeterM> too much taco bell
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2015-06-28T17:43:11 < PaulFertser> Where did ColdKeyboard go?
2015-06-28T17:43:20 < dongs> pprobly ragequit
2015-06-28T17:43:21 < dongs> his nick still here
2015-06-28T17:45:19 < PaulFertser> Haha
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2015-06-28T18:12:40 < englishman> dongs is there a handy tool for organizing windows
2015-06-28T18:12:46 < englishman> now that there is zero need to keep shit maximized
2015-06-28T18:12:54 < englishman> like chats or browser tabs
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2015-06-28T18:14:03 < Steffanx> organized as in multi desktops/virtual screens or what?
2015-06-28T18:14:22 < englishman> like nice snaps
2015-06-28T18:14:26 < englishman> to 1/4 1/3 screen etc
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2015-06-28T18:29:55 < scummos> englishman: you invented a tiling window manager
2015-06-28T18:30:49 < englishman> no, this already exists
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2015-06-28T18:52:36 < Laurenceb_> spacex overpressurised stage2?
2015-06-28T18:52:42 < Laurenceb_> looks like it popped to me
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2015-06-28T18:54:30 < PeterM> or stage 2 tried to fire early
2015-06-28T18:54:36 < Laurenceb_>  @elonmusk: There was an overpressure event in the upper stage liquid oxygen tank. Data suggests counterintuitive cause.
2015-06-28T18:54:37 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2015-06-28T18:54:44 < Laurenceb_> I win at faultfinding
2015-06-28T18:56:06 < dongs> oh, spacex exploded?
2015-06-28T18:56:09 < dongs> fuck i missed it live
2015-06-28T18:57:03 < dongs> vehicle on course, on track,, then silence
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2015-06-28T19:13:02 < scrts> dongs-> did you see my message yesterday? was asking about url to the mipi display you've showed before
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2015-06-28T19:25:42 < ReadError> englishman there is a dope tool for osx
2015-06-28T19:26:00 < ReadError> for that tiling stuff
2015-06-28T19:26:12 < ReadError> would be nice for windows
2015-06-28T19:26:58 < englishman> ya I remember using one that was great
2015-06-28T19:27:43 < PeterM> lol imgur.com/gallery/E0Z5W61
2015-06-28T19:27:52 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/E0Z5W61.jpg
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2015-06-28T19:43:39 < aandrew> PeterM: lol
2015-06-28T19:46:03 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz
2015-06-28T19:46:04 < Laurenceb_> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/1/
2015-06-28T19:46:16 < Laurenceb_>  Reedman explained drone production isn't even his ultimate goal. His personal plan is to "springboard into a multi-million pound business" by selling Zanos
2015-06-28T19:46:30 < Laurenceb_> more like multi millionaire scam artist
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2015-06-28T19:51:36 < rkreis> "Even things like our sin and arc tan functions are built by us." (in asm, of course)
2015-06-28T19:51:49 < rkreis> i bet they are better than any trig functions ever built
2015-06-28T19:54:25 < Laurenceb_> he needs a padded cell
2015-06-28T19:54:55 < Laurenceb_> or alternatively he can single handedly beat every math lib ever
2015-06-28T19:55:03 < Laurenceb_> one of those is more likely....
2015-06-28T19:55:16 < rkreis> well, he does get at least 400% more performance
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2015-06-28T19:55:28 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-06-28T19:55:36 < rkreis> i only get like 20
2015-06-28T19:55:49 < Laurenceb_> ASM can give huge performance benefits
2015-06-28T19:55:57 < Laurenceb_> in edge cases and weird DSP problems
2015-06-28T19:56:11 < Laurenceb_> no way its sane for generic trig libraries
2015-06-28T19:56:22 < ReadError> ya but saying it will run like an 800mhz mcu
2015-06-28T19:56:27 < ReadError> is kinda bullshit
2015-06-28T19:56:28 < Laurenceb_> lolz
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2015-06-28T19:57:45 < rkreis> mhm, as a customer, i'd want my money to be used on a faster cpu instead of uncountable man-hours optimizing asm code
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2015-06-28T20:04:15 < Laurenceb_> well its impossible to do video on that pic32
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2015-06-28T20:04:26 < Laurenceb_> maybe if they used something like allweiner
2015-06-28T20:05:39 < BrainDamage> it's not impossible if it's something like 200x100 :p
2015-06-28T20:08:02 < Laurenceb_> they need the ambarella, thats a beast
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2015-06-28T20:08:10 < Laurenceb_> but gopros firmware sucks
2015-06-28T20:09:19 < ReadError> get a yi
2015-06-28T20:09:24 < ReadError> gopro is dead
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2015-06-28T20:16:16 < Steffanx> ReadError: spectacle ?
2015-06-28T20:16:33 < ReadError> hm?
2015-06-28T20:21:55 < Steffanx> the dope tool
2015-06-28T20:22:09 < ReadError> oh
2015-06-28T20:22:12 < ReadError> bettersnaptool
2015-06-28T20:23:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/ivan-reedman/37/592/7b1
2015-06-28T20:23:10 < Laurenceb_> lulz
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2015-06-28T20:56:50 < aandrew> < rkreis> "Even things like our sin and arc tan functions are built by us." (in asm, of course)
2015-06-28T20:56:53 < aandrew> lol
2015-06-28T20:57:25 < aandrew> hand-optimized math libs must not exist for the processor already, or perhaps they've been written by idiots
2015-06-28T20:58:31 < aandrew> waht's the processor in it anyway? not an arm4f? seems a bit of a waste if they've got for anything smaller
2015-06-28T21:01:52 < jpa-> aandrew: pic32, i.e. mips
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2015-06-28T21:35:11 < aandrew> oh god
2015-06-28T21:35:16 < aandrew> why
2015-06-28T21:35:28 < aandrew> that's probably half their problem right there :-)
2015-06-28T21:35:47 < aandrew> actually I think gcc's mips support is pretty good
2015-06-28T21:35:51 < aandrew> not sure about their math functions
2015-06-28T21:39:13 < aandrew> pretty sure it's going to be a very tough slog to get all of that shit crammed into a pic32 at pic32's speed
2015-06-28T21:39:26 < aandrew> swarm, collision avoidance, etc? gonna be tricky to do on-pic
2015-06-28T21:39:34 < Laurenceb_> hardly
2015-06-28T21:39:47 < Laurenceb_> video transcoding.. now you are talking
2015-06-28T21:40:38 < Tectu> better use AVR
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2015-06-28T21:54:52 < aandrew> all the basic IMU functions will fit and owrk nicely I expect
2015-06-28T21:55:34 < aandrew> it's the higher level stuff which requires RAM and decent compute resources that I suspect will not fit or operate so well, especially if all the IMU functions are running on the same chip
2015-06-28T21:56:15 < karlp> Steffanx: tahnks for the timecode for the spacex oopsie
2015-06-28T21:56:17 < aandrew> the first rev should have been separate processors for IMU shit (keeping it in the air and maintaining position) and high level control shit (swarming, waypointing, etc.)
2015-06-28T22:00:09 < Laurenceb_> apparently theres an insulating liner on the LOX tank
2015-06-28T22:00:12 < Laurenceb_> and it failed
2015-06-28T22:00:22 < Laurenceb_> say anonymous leakers
2015-06-28T22:00:46 < karlp> aandrew: don't forget, zano uploads all to their HPC cluster to do heavy stuff for you :)
2015-06-28T22:00:58 < karlp> Laurenceb_: so, challenger all over again?
2015-06-28T22:01:02 < Laurenceb_> no
2015-06-28T22:01:03 < karlp> what next, spacex using inches?
2015-06-28T22:01:13 < Laurenceb_> liner on the stage 2 lox tank
2015-06-28T22:01:19 < Laurenceb_> nothing like challenger
2015-06-28T22:01:37 < Laurenceb_> so lox boil off rate got beyond what the tank vent could handle, and pop
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2015-06-28T22:07:47 < aandrew> karlp: oh, cloud based swarming ok :-)
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2015-06-28T22:13:14 < karlp> Laurenceb_: ok, I just remember challenger being a seal problem as well, but this is definitely not my area :)
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2015-06-28T22:28:09 < aandrew> yes o-rings I think
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2015-06-28T23:06:22 < karlp> heh, who needs crystals anyway: http://www.sitime.com/products/32-khz-oscillators
2015-06-28T23:08:02 < zyp> neat
2015-06-28T23:09:14 < karlp> they have a line of mhz ones too..
2015-06-28T23:09:27 < karlp> neither of them are actually, you know, available, but so be it :)
2015-06-28T23:09:39 < karlp> dongs: better be careful with your appz: https://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html#sensitive-events
2015-06-28T23:11:38 < Laurenceb_> whats the point?
2015-06-28T23:11:47 < Laurenceb_> quartz works
2015-06-28T23:11:59 < karlp> power, failure rate and stability they claim
2015-06-28T23:12:07 < karlp> can't you clike the "benefits" yourself?
2015-06-28T23:18:16 < _Sync_> karlp: high temp surviability
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2015-06-28T23:22:31 < Laurenceb_> "more revenue in our bank account" ?
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2015-06-28T23:46:45 < upgrdman> dongs, this seems like a Zeno but actually works   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vGcH0Bk3hg&feature=youtu.be
2015-06-28T23:46:49 < upgrdman> Zano*
2015-06-28T23:50:25 < ReadError> did you see the video where the guy tossed it
2015-06-28T23:50:29 < ReadError> and it about flew into his face
2015-06-28T23:50:31 < ReadError> lul'd
2015-06-28T23:50:37 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-06-29T00:10:40 < postmodern> trying to compile an LED blinky example for the stm32f429i-disco board
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2015-06-29T00:11:18 < postmodern> had to modify the makefile a bit, but am getting an error about undefined reference to _exit
2015-06-29T00:12:00 < postmodern> i even tried to include sys/unistd.h which does define an _exit function
2015-06-29T00:12:59 < zyp> no it doesn't
2015-06-29T00:13:05 < zyp> it only _declares_ it
2015-06-29T00:13:33 < zyp> anyway, where did you get your compiler toolchain from?
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2015-06-29T00:14:47 < postmodern> ah google says to enable --specs=nosys.specs
2015-06-29T00:14:55 < postmodern> zyp, yum
2015-06-29T00:15:27 < postmodern> well it compiles now, but it's still not blinking the two LEDs
2015-06-29T00:15:59 < zyp> so, uh, are you sure it's a suitable toolchain?
2015-06-29T00:16:28 < postmodern> arm-none-eabi is what every example uses?
2015-06-29T00:16:48 < zyp> «yum» doesnt tell me anything, it doesn't tell me what it's configured for
2015-06-29T00:17:02 < zyp> «arm-none-eabi» is not specific enough to say either
2015-06-29T00:18:41 < zyp> also, I don't know what example code you're talking about either, are you sure it's known to work?
2015-06-29T00:20:41 < postmodern> zyp, the toolchain is suitable, as i've compiled/flashed other examples with it
2015-06-29T00:20:45 < zyp> it's kinda hard to give any advice about your problem when I have no idea what code you're building and what you're building it with, but the simple fact that you had to modify the makefile throws up a red flag about a mismatch between your toolchain and the example project
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2015-06-29T00:21:38 < postmodern> zyp, i'll upload the code to github
2015-06-29T00:22:05 < zyp> anyway, if it builds and flashes, but doesn't run like expected, attach the debugger to check the cpu state
2015-06-29T00:22:29 < zyp> if you don't know how, start by learning how
2015-06-29T00:25:04 < karlp> postmodern: a few people have reported problems with the fedora arm-none, it's some old hacked up code sourcery package at least.
2015-06-29T00:25:25 < zyp> ew
2015-06-29T00:25:44 < zyp> throw out that shit and grab a copy of a proper toolchain
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2015-06-29T00:26:11 < zyp> i.e. https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2015-06-29T00:27:05 < zyp> trying to figure out how to get some other bullshit to work because you can't be assed to unzip an archive and add it to your $PATH is a waste of time
2015-06-29T00:27:07 < postmodern> karlp, it's gcc 4.9.2 (3.fc21)
2015-06-29T00:30:28 < zyp> postmodern, ok, do a simple sanity check: run «arm-none-eabi-gcc -print-multi-lib» and pastebin the output
2015-06-29T00:31:09 < zyp> 4.9.2 sounds like it might just be the launchpad stuff repackaged, in which case you're good
2015-06-29T00:32:21 < postmodern> zyp, source code https://github.com/postmodern/stm32f429i-discovery
2015-06-29T00:33:40 < postmodern> zyp, http://www.fpaste.org/237467/27213143/
2015-06-29T00:33:53 < zyp> yeah, you're good
2015-06-29T00:34:11 < zyp> karlp, looks like they fixed shit
2015-06-29T00:34:59 < postmodern> so the example compiles, and i edited it for the stm32f429i-disco board (only has two LEDs vs. stm32f0's four LEDs)
2015-06-29T00:35:04 < postmodern> but the LEDs do not flash
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2015-06-29T00:38:03 < zyp> yeah, okay, looks like you didn't do it thoroughly enough
2015-06-29T00:38:24 < zyp> there's still a bunch of references to GPIOD, and as far as I can see, stm32f429-disco have no leds on GPIOD
2015-06-29T00:38:58 < zyp> and hence it doesn't work when you're toggling pins on the wrong gpio block
2015-06-29T00:39:05 < postmodern> ah ha
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2015-06-29T00:40:43 < zyp> as far as I can see, you want PG13 and PG14
2015-06-29T00:40:54 < zyp> so all references to GPIOD must be replaced with GPIOG
2015-06-29T00:41:55 < postmodern> zyp, boom worked!
2015-06-29T00:42:01 < postmodern> zyp, thanks for the help
2015-06-29T00:57:15 < Fleck> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/4c/d7/88/4cd788cc7090170ae0cba13d4adfd4df.jpg
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2015-06-29T02:19:57 < dongs> scrts: yes, and ai replied it. check your lastlog
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2015-06-29T02:21:20 < dongs> upgrdman: lol, lily. even more of a troll, look at the hands-on done by a couple review mags, it flies worse than arduinocopter, has none of the advertised autonoumous stuuff, and half of whatrs advertised is still not possible
2015-06-29T02:22:33 < dongs> Days until ZANO ships
2015-06-29T02:22:33 < dongs> 0 DAYS 15 HOURS 37 MINUTES 25 SECONDS
2015-06-29T02:22:35 < dongs> lol
2015-06-29T02:22:37 < dongs> should update
2015-06-29T02:23:25 < _Sync_> I was gonna say, the lily is a pos
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2015-06-29T02:43:43 < upgrdman> dongs, o ok
2015-06-29T02:55:44 < upgrdman> me gusta   http://imgur.com/gallery/vLbf0aQ
2015-06-29T02:56:27 < dongs> trash
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2015-06-29T03:04:10 < englishman> i guess dongs timer isnt on GMT
2015-06-29T03:04:23 < englishman> and you never answered my question
2015-06-29T03:05:12 < dongs> < englishman> dongs is there a handy tool for organizing windows
2015-06-29T03:05:13 < dongs> i saw it
2015-06-29T03:05:15 < dongs> i had no answer
2015-06-29T03:05:18 < englishman> no
2015-06-29T03:05:21 < englishman> the sushi question
2015-06-29T03:05:29 < dongs> no, fuck you
2015-06-29T03:05:33 < englishman> :(
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2015-06-29T03:23:06 < dongs> < Hash> haven't played with suspend/resume much
2015-06-29T03:23:06 < dongs> < Hash> but powering off seems to work about 20% of the time
2015-06-29T03:23:07 < dongs> haha
2015-06-29T03:23:09 < dongs> opensores laptop
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2015-06-29T04:51:35 < dongs> bloggin'
2015-06-29T04:56:50 < jadew> upgrdman, keep em comming
2015-06-29T04:57:21 < jadew> too bad you can't pause gifs, you can only watch them over and over again
2015-06-29T04:59:25 < jadew> oh, look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAeSF6lTkd4
2015-06-29T04:59:27 < jadew> YouTube: Turtle position front flip Girl Fight Move UFC Edith Labelle MMA Candy
2015-06-29T05:04:25 < jadew> odds are he already did that
2015-06-29T05:04:39 < jadew> he posted it 2 hours ago
2015-06-29T05:40:56 < dongs> i cant even see how one could wack to that shit
2015-06-29T05:41:02 < dongs> get a girlfriend or something if youre that desperate
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2015-06-29T06:45:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8RLLUUL.png
2015-06-29T06:47:00 < englishman> "Initial" production firmware will "not have swarming"
2015-06-29T06:53:15 < Roklobsta> so how did they do it all with a pic32?
2015-06-29T06:54:07 < dongs> they didnt
2015-06-29T06:54:13 < dongs> thats the problem.
2015-06-29T06:54:54 < Roklobsta> i was wondering if pic32 was a smokescreen for something facier and put of competitors for a bit
2015-06-29T06:54:59 < Roklobsta> off
2015-06-29T06:56:22 < dongs> and they went through the trouble of making fake PCBs with giant TQFP pic32 on them?
2015-06-29T06:56:26 < dongs> plz.
2015-06-29T06:56:42 < dongs> the only way any of the camera shit they claim is possible is wiht ambarella SoC
2015-06-29T06:57:25 < dongs> but that isnt exactly power-light, either
2015-06-29T06:57:32 < Roklobsta> ok i didn't pay close attention to the details like that.  still a ruse is a ruse.
2015-06-29T06:59:46 < Roklobsta> have a look at the fcc pics when possible
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2015-06-29T07:13:39 < MrMobius> if bits in a configuration port are marked reserved, can you still write to them instead of masking them out to save cycles?
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2015-06-29T07:19:43 < dongs> datasheet will tell you if you can write there or not
2015-06-29T07:19:46 < dongs> i think most dont give a shit
2015-06-29T07:21:47 < upgrdman> r2com: i've never heard it referred to as a "bishop" before.
2015-06-29T07:21:55 < upgrdman> fuck. he's already gone
2015-06-29T07:22:08 < dongs> blogged the fuck out
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2015-06-29T09:04:51 < PeterM> [09:55] <upgrdman> me gusta   http://imgur.com/gallery/vLbf0aQ
2015-06-29T09:05:00 < PeterM> cmon man, if you're into that atleast go the full way
2015-06-29T09:05:06 < PeterM> like ultimate surrender or some shit
2015-06-29T09:05:50 < upgrdman> ?
2015-06-29T09:08:07 < PeterM> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ultimate+surrender
2015-06-29T09:08:43 < dongs> not_clicking
2015-06-29T09:09:00 < upgrdman> LOL... there's an entire porn genre for this shit?
2015-06-29T09:09:23 < PeterM> wow, a first, dongs doesn't want to click a link
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2015-06-29T09:09:32 < dongs> i fucking hate porn
2015-06-29T09:09:34 < dongs> its boring
2015-06-29T09:10:09 < PeterM> i agree to an extent - it is gemerally the same thing over adn over
2015-06-29T09:10:15 < PeterM> *generally
2015-06-29T09:13:43 < PeterM> well, i guess we're not going to see upgrdman for a few days
2015-06-29T09:14:24 < upgrdman> not my fettish. just a nice GIF.
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2015-06-29T10:45:09 < PeterM> not sure if repost http://i.imgur.com/2Sjsjkp.webm
2015-06-29T10:47:10 < Fleck> http://www.troll.me/images/chimpanzees/meanwhile-at-microsoft.jpg
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2015-06-29T10:56:11 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/yFBUnqv.gif
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2015-06-29T11:22:14 < Fleck> PeterM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7TSqFNmMmw
2015-06-29T11:27:38 < PeterM> fleck yeah, i saw that later
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2015-06-29T11:58:47 < tecdroid> hi
2015-06-29T12:01:14 < tecdroid> can someone tell me how to create a static library for stm32 in eclipse? i'm using the gnu arm eclipse plugin...
2015-06-29T12:04:09 < Fleck> change project type from executable to static lib?
2015-06-29T12:06:03 < tecdroid> and i don't find that option..
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2015-06-29T12:06:59 < Fleck> copy/paste from google: project properties -> C/C++ Build -> Settings -> Build Artifact Tab. There you can change the artifact type to static or shared library
2015-06-29T12:07:45 < tecdroid> X-D now i got it. thx :)
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2015-06-29T13:31:50 < Tectu> are russians nice people in general?
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2015-06-29T13:32:57 < Fleck> Tectu: same as other, there are bad/nice in all cultures/nations
2015-06-29T13:33:53 < Tectu> Fleck, I agree and I don't mean to be offensive. It's just that some cultures are more focusing in being very polite and friendly in general while other cultures don't focus on that so much
2015-06-29T13:34:00 < Tectu> not sure how to explain this in english
2015-06-29T13:34:07 < jpa-> part of being "nice" is just "acts in a way that I expect"
2015-06-29T13:34:14 < Fleck> I have many nice russian friends
2015-06-29T13:34:28 < Tectu> you know, there are cultures (countries) where when you're sitting alone on a road strangers would take you home and invite you to dinner and help you and others just don't give a shit
2015-06-29T13:34:36 < Tectu> jpa-, interesting
2015-06-29T13:34:39 < Tectu> Fleck, cool :)
2015-06-29T13:34:49 < Tectu> really, I hope I didn't offend anybody.
2015-06-29T13:35:26 < Fleck> I would say - russians are avg
2015-06-29T13:35:27 < jpa-> in most countries you could hitchhike home - the exception is usually if there are so many robbers around that it is not safe to pick up hitchhikers
2015-06-29T13:35:47 < jpa-> which is more of a function of the society than culture/country
2015-06-29T13:35:55 < Tectu> seems to make sense
2015-06-29T13:35:58 < zyp> one of my closest friends moved to norway from russia when he was 8, he's one of the nicest people I know
2015-06-29T13:36:09 < jpa-> see, zyp-approved country
2015-06-29T13:36:11 < jpa-> you'll be fine
2015-06-29T13:36:13 < Tectu> btw. Is english like very common in russia? Well, russia is a big ass country, probably not the same everywhere
2015-06-29T13:36:27 < Tectu> I just called a hotel in Saint Petersburg and talked to two people there and they seem to be very very fluid in english
2015-06-29T13:36:39 < Tectu> just wondering if it's because business hotel or because everybody in russia does that
2015-06-29T13:36:45 < zyp> anybody who works with tourists anywhere should be
2015-06-29T13:36:47 < jpa-> not very common AFAIK, but of course the tourist places know english
2015-06-29T13:37:03 < jpa-> atleast many of the russian tourists who come into finland do not know english very well
2015-06-29T13:37:56 < scrts2> Tectu: it's because of hotel in general
2015-06-29T13:37:58 < Tectu> interesting. Some background: my gf and I will go visit russia for a couple of days. Friends here are all like "are you crazy?!?!" and stuff like that because russia (and all eastern countries) have a very bad reputation here. But after all all we see from russia is some ganster movies and people here life under the impression that going to russia is like suicide
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2015-06-29T13:38:39 < scrts2> Tectu: I doubt it's that bad as you think :)
2015-06-29T13:38:41 < Fleck> Tectu: I would say - elder ppl don't know english... :D
2015-06-29T13:38:44 < scrts2> I am not from Russia
2015-06-29T13:38:46 < scrts2> but anyway
2015-06-29T13:38:51 < scrts2> you're visiting Moscow?
2015-06-29T13:39:14 < Taxman> Tectu: The people here in germany hate america more than russia
2015-06-29T13:39:31 < jpa-> Tectu: well, it's not bad, but there is going to be pickpockets and scammers around so russia is not a place where you want to play "dumb tourist"
2015-06-29T13:39:34 < Tectu> scrts2, that was the first plan. now the plan is visiting st-petersburg and probably take the train to moscow if we have the time (althoug it seems to be some ~4h train ride)
2015-06-29T13:39:45 < scrts2> ok, that's fine
2015-06-29T13:39:51 < Tectu> Taxman, not a reference. germans hate everybody ;-)
2015-06-29T13:39:51 < scrts2> it would be worse to go to countryside
2015-06-29T13:39:57 < Tectu> "Diese verdammten Schweizer!!!!!"
2015-06-29T13:39:58 < scrts2> and the clubs/pubs there
2015-06-29T13:40:14 < qyx_> lol
2015-06-29T13:40:21 < Tectu> I see
2015-06-29T13:40:38 < Taxman> Tectu: no the greek ones like us
2015-06-29T13:40:47 < Tectu> jpa-, I was wondering how I'd blend in so they don't realize I'm an easy tourist target. I'm definitely no photographer person
2015-06-29T13:41:10 < Tectu> Taxman, you misunderstood... they only like your money
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2015-06-29T13:41:10 < Taxman> Tectu: This was ironically
2015-06-29T13:41:31 < Tectu> Taxman, it's like hitler hated swiss people and he wanted to raid us after war. yet he was polite enough to give us all your money / gold
2015-06-29T13:41:38 < Tectu> Taxman, I figured
2015-06-29T13:42:03 < jpa-> Tectu: well, keeping your wallet in hard-to-reach pockets and saying "no" to strange proposals is a good start
2015-06-29T13:42:40 < Tectu> jpa-, I always wondered if you actually get somebody to take your wallet whether it would be smart to case after them or just let it be and stay safe
2015-06-29T13:42:58 < jpa-> usually you wouldn't notice fast enough
2015-06-29T13:43:07 < Tectu> jpa-, any experiences?
2015-06-29T13:43:13 < jpa-> nope
2015-06-29T13:43:40 < Tectu> I wonder if being 1.95m tall is an advantage too
2015-06-29T13:43:48 < jpa-> i have lost some tiny amounts of money while travelling, no idea what happened to it though
2015-06-29T13:44:09 < Tectu> jpa-, like money that was inside of your wallet that was no longer there but everything else is/was ?
2015-06-29T13:44:32 < scrts2> Tectu: eastern guys are taller than, let's say italians.
2015-06-29T13:44:39 < scrts2> I am 200 :)
2015-06-29T13:44:42 < jpa-> nah, like money loose in pocket
2015-06-29T13:44:56 < Tectu> scrts2, indeed
2015-06-29T13:45:09 < jpa-> because better not keep wallet in easy reach, losing 20 EUR is nothing compared to getting new cards etc.
2015-06-29T13:45:10 < Tectu> jpa-, you have strangers fiddle in your pocket insides w/o you noticing?
2015-06-29T13:45:17 < Tectu> jpa-, indeed
2015-06-29T13:45:18 < jpa-> Tectu: how would i know?
2015-06-29T13:45:26 < jpa-> might have just lost it because it was loose, who knows
2015-06-29T13:45:49 < Tectu> btw this is the first time I got a passport. In Switzerland you have some credit-card sized ID that you can use in nearly any european country. Is the passport something I should leave in the hotel room or always take with me?
2015-06-29T13:46:29 < jpa-> depends on hotel, if a good secure hotel you can leave it there IMO
2015-06-29T13:46:36 < scrts2> yup
2015-06-29T13:46:45 < scrts2> you only need passport if you cross the border
2015-06-29T13:46:54 < scrts2> otherwise have any other document
2015-06-29T13:46:59 < scrts2> like driving license or so
2015-06-29T13:47:03 < Tectu> jpa-, this hotel:   http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/ledbr-renaissance-st-petersburg-baltic-hotel/
2015-06-29T13:47:09 < Tectu> jpa-, looks pretty sane to me
2015-06-29T13:47:14 < jpa-> i wouldn't know how that is :)
2015-06-29T13:47:41 < scrts2> seems nice
2015-06-29T13:48:00 < Tectu> I assume you'd give it a jpa-approved hotel label by judging from the website
2015-06-29T13:48:38 < jpa-> no no, jpa approved hotels need a test sleeping
2015-06-29T13:48:52 < scrts2> (with a receptionist)
2015-06-29T13:49:37 < Tectu> hmm, in german you'd at least know whether you specified a male or female receptionist. In english it's just weird
2015-06-29T13:49:51 < Tectu> but indeed the woman who picked up the phone was a person
2015-06-29T13:49:53 < zyp> scrts2, that's not always true
2015-06-29T13:49:57 < Tectu> meh, the wrong way around... the person was a woman
2015-06-29T13:50:10 < zyp> in lots of countries you're always required to carry a valid ID
2015-06-29T13:50:19 < scrts2> in Russia
2015-06-29T13:50:22 < zyp> which internationally means your passport
2015-06-29T13:50:23 < scrts2> it always be a woman
2015-06-29T13:50:32 < Tectu> scrts2, lolwut? seriously?
2015-06-29T13:50:41 < scrts2> will see :)
2015-06-29T13:51:01 < Tectu> zyp, I just know lots of movies where people get their passports stolen or something like that. Not sure how much of a problem that would become.
2015-06-29T13:51:06 < scrts2> Russian lads won't go to work to hotel reception, unless a night shift
2015-06-29T13:51:10 < Tectu> not sure why anybody would go for a strangers passport, tho
2015-06-29T13:51:15 < scrts2> because it's too much shame for them
2015-06-29T13:51:24 < Tectu> scrts2, "lads"?
2015-06-29T13:51:33 < Tectu> scrts2, also why do you know so much about russia w/o being from russia?
2015-06-29T13:51:58 < scrts2> ok, men.
2015-06-29T13:52:00 < zyp> I think japanese law states that, but I always leave it at the hotel anyway, never had any trouble for that
2015-06-29T13:52:09 < scrts2> Tectu: I am from Lithuania
2015-06-29T13:52:17 < scrts2> I know lots of Russians
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2015-06-29T13:52:36 < zyp> my norwegian driving license doesn't strictly count as a valid ID in japan, but I've used it for that multiple times
2015-06-29T13:52:38 < Tectu> scrts2, seems legit
2015-06-29T13:52:41 < scrts2> We've been under Russia occupation for >50 years
2015-06-29T13:52:45 < jpa-> Tectu: well if you don't especially go into a shady alley in bad part of town, you won't be mugged & robbed - so only way to get your passport stolen is to leave it somewhere where it is easy to steal
2015-06-29T13:52:50 < scrts2> so I know my enemy
2015-06-29T13:52:56 < Tectu> zyp, I assume not for police-level things but to get access to your +18 material?
2015-06-29T13:53:14 < jpa-> ah, Tectu is worried about getting his daily porn
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2015-06-29T13:53:21 < jpa-> don't worry they'll probably have wlan
2015-06-29T13:53:32 < Tectu> jpa-, nope, just wondering what zyp required an ID for multiple times inside of a country...
2015-06-29T13:53:40 < Tectu> jpa-, they do. I wouldn't go there otherwise
2015-06-29T13:53:57 < Tectu> any
2015-06-29T13:54:25 < Tectu> anyway, why would anybody steal a passport? Unless they look very similar and look like they come from said country it's useless?
2015-06-29T13:54:35 < scrts2> replace the photo
2015-06-29T13:54:38 < scrts2> somehow, lol
2015-06-29T13:54:42 < jpa-> they can sell it to similar looking person, or replace photo
2015-06-29T13:54:48 < _Sync_> depending on the passport it is easy
2015-06-29T13:55:06 < scrts2> you can take quick credits with a passport
2015-06-29T13:55:11 < zyp> Tectu, I've collected a few packages from amazon
2015-06-29T13:55:12 < scrts2> quick loans, sorry
2015-06-29T13:55:14 < jpa-> and people change a lot from their passport photos when aging, changing hairstyles etc.
2015-06-29T13:55:30 < Tectu> jpa-, replace photo... not with that new modern passport I just got. Impossible.
2015-06-29T13:55:40 < Tectu> the picture is not only printed. there's a "hole" version of the picture next to it
2015-06-29T13:55:53 < jpa-> Tectu: yes, so just sell to similar looking person
2015-06-29T13:56:09 < Tectu> also biometrics
2015-06-29T13:56:17 < _Sync_> biometrics are not that important
2015-06-29T13:56:19 < jpa-> generally, that would be "male/female with narrow/medium/wide face" 6 choices
2015-06-29T13:56:22 < _Sync_> you can just zap the rfid
2015-06-29T13:56:25 < jpa-> no-one checks biometrics
2015-06-29T13:56:56 < Laurenceb> rfid always seems to be broken when i test it
2015-06-29T13:57:14 < Laurenceb> also UK face recognition fails epically on my face lol
2015-06-29T13:57:27 < Tectu> hmm, Switzerland really is a whole lot easier. some credit-card sized ID any you're ready to go wherever you want. Even when you're at the airport... people get checked etc. and when you have one of those swiss ID's you're practically "free to go". At least that were my experiences over the past three years
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2015-06-29T13:57:35 < _Sync_> completely disfigured Laurenceb?
2015-06-29T13:57:38 < Laurenceb> supposedly you can scan your passport and stand in front of a camera...
2015-06-29T13:57:48 < jpa-> Tectu: same in pretty much every country for that country's residents
2015-06-29T13:57:52 < Laurenceb> dunno, something is wrong with my face
2015-06-29T13:58:05 < Tectu> Laurenceb, you're asking for making silly jokes, you realize that?
2015-06-29T13:58:10 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-06-29T13:58:13 < jpa-> Tectu: but internationally they don't work that well; not sure if your ID would work inside EU anywhere, mine does
2015-06-29T13:58:21 < Tectu> jpa-, mine does to
2015-06-29T13:58:26 < Laurenceb> in UK you dont need any id  :D
2015-06-29T13:58:41 < Tectu> jpa-, germany, austria, italy, france... been to any of those countries, just requires Swiss ID, no passport
2015-06-29T13:58:43 < jpa-> yeah, in uk you only need your gas bill
2015-06-29T13:58:47 < _Sync_> but I can take your jerbs Laurenceb
2015-06-29T13:59:00 < Laurenceb> yeah lol
2015-06-29T13:59:01 < scrts2> Tectu: it's european ID, right?
2015-06-29T13:59:04 < Tectu> jpa-, this thingy:   http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/Karte.jpg
2015-06-29T13:59:09 < scrts2> it's like a passport
2015-06-29T13:59:09 < Laurenceb> we have like no id checking
2015-06-29T13:59:11 < Tectu> scrts2, nope, national
2015-06-29T13:59:22 < Tectu> scrts2, but switzerland for some reason still has that holy halo
2015-06-29T13:59:27 < scrts2> probably agreed to be as a passport
2015-06-29T13:59:30 < Tectu> like you're from switzerland and everybody immediately trusts you
2015-06-29T13:59:30 < _Sync_> nah, I mean if immigration would find me working Laurenceb
2015-06-29T13:59:39 < Tectu> scrts2, nope, Cuz I needed to get one now
2015-06-29T13:59:40 < _Sync_> because EU citizen = best citizen
2015-06-29T13:59:48 < Laurenceb> yeah immigration dont check for internet trolls
2015-06-29T13:59:52 < scrts2> Tectu: you need to get a paper passport
2015-06-29T13:59:58 < scrts2> so they will be able to put stamps
2015-06-29T14:00:03 < jpa-> Tectu: wouldn't be so sure; in general european IDs inside europe are pretty well trusted
2015-06-29T14:00:08 < Tectu> scrts2, got one
2015-06-29T14:00:10 < scrts2> no stamps = no need for paper passport = ID is sufficient
2015-06-29T14:00:12 < _Sync_> "Sir, we heard that you are a interwebs troll"
2015-06-29T14:00:32 < scrts2> no stamps also means no visas
2015-06-29T14:00:40 < _Sync_> yeah within the EU they have to trust your local ID
2015-06-29T14:00:51 < _Sync_> french police once tried to give me shit
2015-06-29T14:00:53 < jpa-> Tectu: your swiss aura doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it
2015-06-29T14:06:11 < rewolff> Tectu, as far as I know, when you're abroad, you have to be able to prove your legality in the country by being able to show your passport. This usually only happens if you get into trouble somehow. So... Officially you're supposed to have your passport on you when you're outside (and be able to produce it when you're in your room). But in practise: 1) most people may leave it behind in a "safe" somewhere. 2) some hotels want you to leav
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2015-06-29T14:09:18 < rewolff> Tectu, if your passport has a "hole version", then I worked with the company that makes those holes. They are a continuation of the holes in your money. I physically worked on that project....
2015-06-29T14:09:53 < rewolff> (Have you ever sat on 400M of swiss money? No? I have. :-) )
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2015-06-29T14:15:35 < _Sync_> rewolff: the microperf shit doesn't seem to be godawfully hard to clone
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2015-06-29T14:17:31 < Tectu> rewolff, wait, wut? Hole company? 400M swiss money? what are we talking about?
2015-06-29T14:17:41 < Tectu> rewolff, are you some security person
2015-06-29T14:19:10 < Tectu> rewolff, sorry. Now I re-read your sentence and it makes a lot more sense now, lol
2015-06-29T14:19:35 < Tectu> rewolff, I'm not sure if we talk about the same thing. My money never had holes in it.
2015-06-29T14:19:58 < Tectu> rewolff, The hole thing I mentioned is that the picture in the passport is comosed of tiny holes and when you hold it against the light you can see the picture (roughly)
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2015-06-29T14:20:45 < _Sync_> Tectu: that is called microperf
2015-06-29T14:20:57 < _Sync_> basically it is just lasered in it
2015-06-29T14:21:15 < Tectu> ah
2015-06-29T14:21:22 < Tectu> didn't realize that swiss money does that too
2015-06-29T14:21:39 < Tectu> nice, actually it does
2015-06-29T14:22:26 < Tectu> rewolff, what's the speciality about it? seems like you can do it with any XY laserplotter
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2015-06-29T14:24:04 < rewolff> [tectu] when you hold it against the light you can see the picture (roughly)
2015-06-29T14:24:04 < rewolff> -> Now try the same with a SFR 20 note....
2015-06-29T14:24:41 < Tectu> rewolff, just did that. I see the 20 symbol in there.
2015-06-29T14:24:47 < Tectu> rewolff, yet it looks very easy to replicate
2015-06-29T14:24:52 < rewolff> :-)
2015-06-29T14:25:18 < Tectu> so my (and probably _Sync_'s) question is: what's the benefit of that security feature?
2015-06-29T14:25:20 < rewolff> The holes are 100x100 micron. Difficult to do without blackening the sides.
2015-06-29T14:25:29 < _Sync_> depends on your laser
2015-06-29T14:25:30 < Tectu> ah
2015-06-29T14:25:43 < _Sync_> we do laser deep drilling in silicon
2015-06-29T14:25:58 < rewolff> Many of the security features are not that hard  to replicate, but when you have to replicate all of them, it becomes quite difficult.
2015-06-29T14:26:12 < Tectu> _Sync_, do you happen to be one of the Chip hackers of the CCC?
2015-06-29T14:26:22 < _Sync_> nope Tectu
2015-06-29T14:27:40 < _Sync_> with the tilting feature you have to control your process pretty well
2015-06-29T14:27:48 < _Sync_> because the aspect ratio of the hole is annoying
2015-06-29T14:28:14 < _Sync_> I should throw a bank note into our laser
2015-06-29T14:28:17 < _Sync_> and see what happens
2015-06-29T14:28:40 < Tectu> expected return-of-investment = ?
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2015-06-29T14:29:14 < _Sync_> if you want to launder money, print dollars
2015-06-29T14:29:30 < _Sync_> because they do not loose their validity
2015-06-29T14:29:32 < rewolff> The holes in your passport are slanted and conical.
2015-06-29T14:30:22 < _Sync_> well I suppose the conical aspect is just due to the optical system
2015-06-29T14:30:26 < _Sync_> and slanted is easy to do
2015-06-29T14:30:53 < _Sync_> we actively control the focus during the drilling op to get better results
2015-06-29T14:31:07  * Tectu wonders whether _Sync_ really knows what he's talking about and is legit or whether he's one of those persons who just say "it's easy" to anything w/o any experience to annoy other people :P
2015-06-29T14:31:08 < _Sync_> we can drill 4µ holes in 200µ deep Si
2015-06-29T14:31:11 < Tectu> (no offense)
2015-06-29T14:31:13 < rewolff> I haven't worked on the passport-holes machine.
2015-06-29T14:31:41 < _Sync_> Tectu: it's just that I use laser drilling on a day to day basis
2015-06-29T14:31:57 < _Sync_> and it doesn't seem awfully complicated to me
2015-06-29T14:31:59 < Tectu> _Sync_, may I ask for what?I thought you only do silicon drilling for hardware hacking
2015-06-29T14:32:27 < rewolff> But as I understand things, they have a rotating lens-system to point the laser along the cone shape.
2015-06-29T14:32:55 < _Sync_> I do some Si stuff at home Tectu
2015-06-29T14:33:02 < _Sync_> but mostly I work in solar cell research
2015-06-29T14:33:19 < Tectu> _Sync_, interesting
2015-06-29T14:33:41 < Tectu> _Sync_, you should go and fix jpa- power plant that french people seemed to fuck up (although that's not solar)
2015-06-29T14:33:50 < _Sync_> ah that makes sense rewolff depending on the laser they use
2015-06-29T14:33:55 < rewolff> So, sync, you have the expertise to drill those laser-holes. Now gather nineteen more people from different fields to reproduce the other 19 security features and you're in business. (P.S. Hope that none of the 40+ people you approach goes to the police...)
2015-06-29T14:34:52 < Tectu> rewolff, if you want to do it right you wait until all 19 people are there and the business started and then go to the police so they have it easy. Just wondering now whether you'd be in trouble anyway
2015-06-29T14:35:45 < _Sync_> rewolff: as I said, I'd just fake dollars
2015-06-29T14:35:48 < _Sync_> as everybody does
2015-06-29T14:36:36 < Tectu> _Sync_, you mentioned that you do some Si magic at home. Don't you always need fancy equipment for that?
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2015-06-29T14:38:21 < _Sync_> depends on what you call fancy
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2015-06-29T14:39:34 < Tectu> anything >1.5k€
2015-06-29T14:40:05 < _Sync_> almost all of it is fancy then
2015-06-29T14:40:32 < Tectu> hah :D
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2015-06-29T14:43:59 < Tectu> _Sync_, so what fancy stuff do you have at home?
2015-06-29T14:46:58 < _Sync_> the most fancy stuff is the vacuum sytem and the surface metrology stuff
2015-06-29T14:47:44 < Tectu> surface metrology stuff sounds like expensive electron scope
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2015-06-29T14:48:26 < _Sync_> mostly my ellipsometer and the XRD
2015-06-29T14:48:55 < Tectu> where do you have the moneys for such fancy equipment?
2015-06-29T14:49:07 < _Sync_> I do have a confocal microscope in parts but I'd take a while to get it back running
2015-06-29T14:49:08 < Tectu> is this the part where faking dollars comes in? :P
2015-06-29T14:49:13 < _Sync_> nah
2015-06-29T14:49:16 < _Sync_> all my dolans are legit
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2015-06-29T14:50:15 < Tectu> is this a no-kids situation?
2015-06-29T14:51:46 < Laurenceb> oh noes  http://www.cuddlrapp.com/
2015-06-29T14:53:23 < _Sync_> ? Tectu
2015-06-29T14:55:28 < Tectu> _Sync_, well, I don't assume that you could afford all this fancy stuff when you'd have a family with five kids :D
2015-06-29T14:55:57 < _Sync_> time wise, most probably
2015-06-29T14:56:20 < _Sync_> but I don't have kids
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2015-06-29T14:58:14 < Tectu> good
2015-06-29T14:58:18 < Tectu> nobody should
2015-06-29T14:58:20 < Tectu> kids are stupid
2015-06-29T14:58:28 < Tectu> hate 'em
2015-06-29T14:58:44 < Laurenceb> u fail @ darwin
2015-06-29T14:58:58 < Laurenceb> darfail
2015-06-29T15:00:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xrfVKu0ozeg
2015-06-29T15:01:56 < Tectu> sometimes I wonder how much time you spend on the interwebz per day, Laurenceb
2015-06-29T15:02:05 < Tectu> explicitely for non-sense stuff, I mean
2015-06-29T15:04:13 < _Sync_> 23.5/24h
2015-06-29T15:06:39 < _Sync_> obv
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2015-06-29T15:08:32 < Laurenceb> i operate on 48 hour cycle, like TempleOS
2015-06-29T15:10:23 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/temple_bot
2015-06-29T15:15:07 < _Sync_> also stuff sometimes comes cheap when you know the right people Tectu
2015-06-29T15:15:52 < Tectu> _Sync_, agreed
2015-06-29T15:18:39 < dongs> falling off the right trucks
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2015-06-29T15:21:05 < _Sync_> yeah
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2015-06-29T15:29:00 < dongs> whats the name for when you have a bunch of refdes bunched together into a polygon and then you have a line drawn to it from there to the actual component location
2015-06-29T15:29:11 < dongs> like when you dont have a lot of space betwene components for refdes
2015-06-29T15:29:14 < dongs> kinda liek a callout or somesuch
2015-06-29T15:30:47 < dongs> http://www.mbedded.ninja/wp-content/gallery/electronics-pcbdesign/designators-seperated-from-dense-components-on-pcb.png
2015-06-29T15:34:24 < Tectu> somebody is trying hard to do it right
2015-06-29T15:36:38 < _Sync_> just don't put references on the board
2015-06-29T15:39:04 < scrts2> no component keepouts? :)
2015-06-29T15:39:12 < scrts2> might be fun for pick and place
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2015-06-29T15:47:58 < scrts2> http://www.limpkin.fr/public/altium_vs_allegro/altium6.png green
2015-06-29T15:48:46 < jpa-> so instead of green it is purple?
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2015-06-29T15:49:06 < jpa-> ah that is soldermask
2015-06-29T15:49:25 < jpa-> but serves the purpose, don't think pnp would have much trouble
2015-06-29T15:50:00 < dongs> er, pnp doesnt need any visuals on board
2015-06-29T15:50:23 < Tectu> uhm, fiducial marks, dongs?
2015-06-29T15:50:32 < dongs> not on every R/C dude
2015-06-29T15:50:43 < Tectu> R/C?
2015-06-29T15:50:45 < dongs>  < scrts2> might be fun for pick and place
2015-06-29T15:50:53 < dongs> component keepouts
2015-06-29T15:50:57 < jpa-> i guess he was thinking about the parts being too close or soemthing?
2015-06-29T15:51:04 < dongs> might be fun for *manual* picknplace
2015-06-29T15:53:30 < dongs> but definitely no problem for machine
2015-06-29T16:01:55 < Laurenceb> sucker comes in from above
2015-06-29T16:03:57 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO2_yu1o85s
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2015-06-29T16:34:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1552445321/eggbird
2015-06-29T16:46:23 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/cXr3Xot.gifv
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2015-06-29T16:48:19 < Laurenceb> too fake
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2015-06-29T17:29:17 < Tectu> <Tectu> 10 years of makefile experience and it's still a pain in the ass
2015-06-29T17:29:22 < Tectu> just so everbody knows...
2015-06-29T17:34:40 < scrts2> :)
2015-06-29T17:34:49 < scrts2> zero experience overall
2015-06-29T17:34:54 < specing> I have 10 years of experience in opening Makefile and NOPE-ing the fuck out in the next 5 seconds
2015-06-29T17:35:01 < scrts2> I have to trust eclipse automaker...
2015-06-29T17:35:11 < scrts2> except when it messes up source files
2015-06-29T17:35:21 < scrts2> specing: LOL
2015-06-29T17:35:31 < Tectu> how can you guys resist?  https://bitbucket.org/Tectu/ugfx/src/2c6b82040da055edef2c2970aad2d3a5de9ac46b/tools/gmake_scripts/compiler_gcc.mk?at=master
2015-06-29T17:35:36 < ReadError> TI-RTOS is an embedded operating system optimized to meet the needs of developers of MCU applications, especially in the IoT space, and provides state-of-the-art power management and wireless connectivity to give you a head start on finishing your application
2015-06-29T17:35:49 < dongs> IoT? more like IdioT
2015-06-29T17:36:01 < specing> internet of idiots
2015-06-29T17:36:06 < specing> dongsNET
2015-06-29T17:36:46 < specing> scrts2: Tectu protip: if you need more than a 50-line shell script to build your project, then you fucked up when writing said project's source
2015-06-29T17:36:53 < ReadError> i didnt know TI had their own RTOS
2015-06-29T17:37:11 < scrts2> ReadError: they do
2015-06-29T17:37:18 < scrts2> and what they alkso have is BIOS!
2015-06-29T17:37:19 < Tectu> specing, either that or you support any platform with any compiler. There's even stuff in there to work-around cygwin bugs
2015-06-29T17:37:25 < scrts2> we use their BIOS for DSPs
2015-06-29T17:37:47 < Rickta59> TI-RTOS is just a rename of sysbios isn't it?
2015-06-29T17:37:51 < ReadError> http://www.ti.com/product/cc1310
2015-06-29T17:37:55 < scrts2> not sure, lol
2015-06-29T17:37:58 < ReadError> im wondering when this is coming out ;(
2015-06-29T17:37:58 < scrts2> :))
2015-06-29T17:38:00 < Tectu> specing, look through that makefile. You'll see that theres not that much in it. about 40% is only silent build options etc.
2015-06-29T17:38:15 < Rickta59> TI-RTOS Kernel (formerly known as SYS/BIOS™)  .. from their web page
2015-06-29T17:38:15 < ReadError> sexy lil thang
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2015-06-29T17:38:34 < Rickta59> http://www.ti.com/tool/sysbios
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2015-06-29T17:38:57 < akaWolf> Rickta59: I think, it's the same
2015-06-29T17:38:57 < scrts2> oh ok, that's cool :)
2015-06-29T17:39:01 < dongs> i'll stick to cmsis-rtos + RTX
2015-06-29T17:39:02 < Tectu> specing, also properly documented:   https://bitbucket.org/Tectu/ugfx/src/2c6b82040da055edef2c2970aad2d3a5de9ac46b/tools/gmake_scripts/readme.txt?at=master
2015-06-29T17:39:28 < ReadError> is there some good sites for getting started with chibios?
2015-06-29T17:39:35 < ReadError> like example codes etc
2015-06-29T17:39:37  * karlp zips his mouth
2015-06-29T17:39:48 < ReadError> the doxygen is helpful for each function etc
2015-06-29T17:40:41 < scrts2> dongs: does it have tcp/ip library too?
2015-06-29T17:41:05 < Tectu> ReadError, #chibios
2015-06-29T17:41:22 < Tectu> ReadError, also chibios has plenty of examples in it's /demos and /testhal directories
2015-06-29T17:41:30 < Tectu> ReadError, plenty as in tripple digits
2015-06-29T17:41:33 < dongs> scrts2: who, rtx? keil has a payware tcp/ip thing, sure. rtx itelf doesn't
2015-06-29T17:41:38 < dongs> you can use lwip or wahtever.
2015-06-29T17:41:58 < dongs> cmsis-os is just generic interface taht any OS can follow to implement
2015-06-29T17:42:03 < dongs> so that function calls and shit are same
2015-06-29T17:42:34 < ReadError> I need something with actual working i2c stuff
2015-06-29T17:42:41 < ReadError> so I think chibios is my best option
2015-06-29T17:42:59 < ReadError> short of finding some unfucked stdperiph version
2015-06-29T17:43:19 < jpa-> unfucked stdperiph just doesn't happen
2015-06-29T17:43:20 < Tectu> ReadError, chibios is awsome for that.
2015-06-29T17:43:36 < ReadError> yea the RT aspect I dont really need
2015-06-29T17:43:40 < Tectu> ReadError, there are i2c only examples (for the HAL) in /testhal or all-in-one demos in /demos
2015-06-29T17:43:50 < Tectu> ReadError, then don't use ChibiOS/RT and just ChibiOS/HAL
2015-06-29T17:43:58 < Tectu> ReadError, you can use the ChibiOS HAL w/o the RT magic
2015-06-29T17:44:07 < ReadError> yup
2015-06-29T17:44:10 < ReadError> that was the plan ;)
2015-06-29T17:44:22 < ReadError> didnt realize they had demos
2015-06-29T17:44:26 < ReadError> thats good to know
2015-06-29T17:44:33 < Tectu> more demos than anything else
2015-06-29T17:45:07 < dongs> if youre doing that you mgiht as well just use libopenaidsCM3
2015-06-29T17:45:33 < ReadError> dongs well some of the HAL stuff looks pretty easy
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2015-06-29T17:50:09 < Laurenceb> isnt there a proper cmsis rtos now?
2015-06-29T17:50:14 < Laurenceb> opensores
2015-06-29T17:51:15 < Tectu> attn dongs: $(ASSRCS)
2015-06-29T17:51:27 < Tectu> Laurenceb, there's uGFX RTOS
2015-06-29T17:51:37 < Tectu> sores totally openz
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2015-06-29T17:53:54 < dongs> lol, will be totally closed in a few months
2015-06-29T17:53:56 < dongs> just like ugfx
2015-06-29T17:53:57 < dongs> amirite??
2015-06-29T17:55:08 < Tectu> ugfx true opensorez spiritz!!!
2015-06-29T17:55:32 < Tectu> like stallman wrote it himselfz
2015-06-29T17:55:53 < Laurenceb> TempleOS only OS
2015-06-29T17:56:21 < Tectu> https://stallman.org/apple.html
2015-06-29T17:56:23 < Tectu> interesting
2015-06-29T17:56:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vakWMNA1oWc
2015-06-29T17:56:53 < Tectu> oooh, that thing. I remeber...
2015-06-29T17:57:00 < Tectu> still not sure if troll
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2015-06-29T17:57:07 < Tectu> at least the commentary
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2015-06-29T17:58:59 < Laurenceb> fewer bytes, faster
2015-06-29T17:59:15 < Laurenceb> jedi mind trick
2015-06-29T17:59:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vakWMNA1oWc#t=592
2015-06-29T18:05:17 < ReadError> lol fuckin RMS
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2015-06-29T18:21:17 < [7]> er, WTF is going on here? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/STM32F205RBT6-QFP/32365299266.html
2015-06-29T18:21:39 < dongs> looks legit
2015-06-29T18:21:40 < dongs> why?
2015-06-29T18:21:47 < dongs> F2 is pretty useless
2015-06-29T18:22:49 < [7]> kinda surprised to see it *that* low though, given that mouser has recently increased the price for it :P
2015-06-29T18:23:09 < scrts2> people where doing IP television on F2 device when I was leaving my previous job
2015-06-29T18:23:25 < scrts2> aerial to IP stuff
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2015-06-29T18:24:41 < [7]> also the step from $.79 a pop to $3.05 a pop at 100 vs. 10 pcs on aliexpress seems excessive
2015-06-29T18:24:59 < [7]> the 100pcs deals used to be like $3 as well not too long ago
2015-06-29T18:25:20 < dongs> well if you need the shit just buy it and shut up?
2015-06-29T18:25:23 < scrts2> btw the parts on aliexpress are always legit?
2015-06-29T18:25:26 < dongs> no
2015-06-29T18:25:37 < [7]> just wondering if these are...
2015-06-29T18:25:44 < scrts2> so you can get simple plastic shit with contacts and no die?
2015-06-29T18:25:45 < dongs> [7]: you can always find out..
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2015-06-29T18:25:58 < dongs> scrts2: i got some fakee infineon fet reels before
2015-06-29T18:26:05 < dongs> the xray/inner dies looked way different
2015-06-29T18:26:08 < dongs> top marking was same :d
2015-06-29T18:26:11 < scrts2> and di you get your $ back?
2015-06-29T18:26:16 < dongs> and they had shitty leakage specs and shit
2015-06-29T18:26:20 < dongs> er eya, but I dont buy from aliexpress
2015-06-29T18:26:22 < [7]> seems kinda hard to reimplement such an MCU though ;)
2015-06-29T18:26:37 < scrts2> buying from alibaba is more dangerous
2015-06-29T18:26:47 < dongs> right, i dont directly buy from any of that shit
2015-06-29T18:27:03 < dongs> i let chinagirl do the legit checking and skip obviously fake shit
2015-06-29T18:27:24 < [7]> prices for larger sizes haven't changed at all, but B size has dropped by 70% or so... rather fishy
2015-06-29T18:27:27 < dongs> the fets was kinda a toss, she said they were probly fake, but price was OK and I needed a shitlaod of them urgently for a large led display
2015-06-29T18:27:51 < dongs> so it was more like my own fault for choosing them :)
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2015-06-29T18:28:26 < scrts2> lol
2015-06-29T18:28:46 < scrts2> shitload quantities can be bought from the manufacturer itself
2015-06-29T18:28:51 < dongs> bro
2015-06-29T18:28:55 < dongs> not with 24 hours lead time
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2015-06-29T18:29:01 < [7]> kinda annoying if f072 is way more expensive than f205
2015-06-29T18:29:20 < ReadError> hawkeye was tellin me like
2015-06-29T18:29:26 < ReadError> in china they fake everything
2015-06-29T18:29:29 < ReadError> even USB connectors
2015-06-29T18:29:47 < dongs> scrts2: i've considered many tiems to go directly to manufacturer/official distributor, but when I need to get like 3k stm32f1's in a few days, none of them would be able to deliver
2015-06-29T18:30:02 < scrts2> a yeah...
2015-06-29T18:30:22 < scrts2> interesting shit you're doing if you need such quantities so urgent
2015-06-29T18:30:25 < scrts2> like drugs
2015-06-29T18:30:29 < dongs> :
2015-06-29T18:30:30 < dongs> D
2015-06-29T18:33:31 < Lux> ya, infineon stuff seems to be fake mostly
2015-06-29T18:34:08 < Lux> ordered some bts141 smart switches on aliexpress and got some cheap useless fets instead
2015-06-29T18:34:21 < Lux> but they refunded pretty fast
2015-06-29T18:34:41 < Lux> still a waste of time
2015-06-29T18:35:17 < _Sync_> probably because some of their shits is good but they do a lot of fabbing in germany
2015-06-29T18:35:33 < _Sync_> so they cannot package the shit wafers
2015-06-29T18:35:53 < Lux> right, most infineon stuff is done in eu
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2015-06-29T19:22:28 < Tectu> where does one download the official full StdPeriph crap?
2015-06-29T19:23:11 < AndreeeCZ> i have, can upload
2015-06-29T19:23:29 < AndreeeCZ> i think, dont use it though
2015-06-29T19:23:33 < Tectu> thanks, but I'd like to get the really official one
2015-06-29T19:23:36 < Tectu> as part of a tutorial
2015-06-29T19:23:45 < AndreeeCZ> i see
2015-06-29T19:24:05 < AndreeeCZ> isnt it called **cube** now?
2015-06-29T19:24:08 < AndreeeCZ> something with cube
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2015-06-29T19:25:36 < englishman> dongs
2015-06-29T19:25:37 < englishman> http://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/3bi46k/does_the_zano_scam_the_arist_scam_or_not/
2015-06-29T19:27:41 < Tectu> AndreeeCZ, I though that would just be the GUI crap
2015-06-29T19:29:59 < Tectu> dong should buy torquing group
2015-06-29T19:30:09 < Tectu> then force them continuing his bluetooth dildo business
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2015-06-29T19:35:11 < englishman> oh seems dongs already knows about it and is an avid redditor
2015-06-29T19:42:53 < aandrew> wow I had no idea there were so many shitty kickstarters
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2015-06-29T19:49:23 < aandrew> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/155591788/utensilmate?ref=newest lol lol lol lol lol
2015-06-29T19:49:31 < aandrew> it's an autospooge for your fork
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2015-06-29T19:53:16 < Laurenceb> wut http://asperger-institute.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/kittycatsberger-sm.jpg
2015-06-29T19:53:23 < Laurenceb> catsbergers
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2015-06-29T20:11:59 < Tectu> $(foreach var,$(PATHLIST),$(eval src_obj_fn := $$$$(patsubst $$$$($(var))/%,$(var)/%,$$(src_obj_fn))))
2015-06-29T20:12:07 < Tectu> why Makefile, why...
2015-06-29T20:15:29 < Steffanx> stop using it now !
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2015-06-29T20:18:31 < Tectu> lol nope
2015-06-29T20:19:12 < Steffanx> what project it belongs to?
2015-06-29T20:19:38 < Tectu> Steffanx, currently working on a makefile for easy STM32 & StdPeriph developpment
2015-06-29T20:19:54 < Steffanx> no cube?
2015-06-29T20:21:12 < Tectu> no cube.
2015-06-29T20:21:44 < Steffanx> stdperipheral lib is old and unmaintained not?
2015-06-29T20:22:12 < Tectu> isn't cube stdperiph?
2015-06-29T20:22:17 < Tectu> cube is just the GUI thingy, no?
2015-06-29T20:23:22 < Steffanx> afaik the new hal stuff is also called cube
2015-06-29T20:24:02 < Tectu> where does one get just the required source files?
2015-06-29T20:24:10 < Tectu> because the entire package is like 500MB per series
2015-06-29T20:24:24 < englishman> stdperiph has been deprecated, doesnt even exist for new chipz :'(
2015-06-29T20:24:44 < Tectu> englishman, can one (is one supposed to) use STM32 with cube stuff but w/o the GUI?
2015-06-29T20:24:45 < Steffanx> one installs the cube, opens the box and gets sores
2015-06-29T20:24:53 < Tectu> Steffanx, the box?
2015-06-29T20:24:58 < englishman> Tectu: no idea
2015-06-29T20:25:07 < englishman> dont think so
2015-06-29T20:25:15 < englishman> unless you want to open up the JAR of fun
2015-06-29T20:25:25 < Tectu> why? It's a ZIP file these days
2015-06-29T20:25:55 < Steffanx> there is someone doing stuff on sourceforge, but dont know the page
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2015-06-29T21:38:38 < karlp> Tectu: unlike most other coutnries, you'll need your passport to get into most attractions in russia.
2015-06-29T21:38:45 < karlp> even the russians have to carry their passports around daily.
2015-06-29T21:38:54 < Tectu> karlp, really? :o
2015-06-29T21:39:00 < Tectu> karlp, thanks for the information!
2015-06-29T21:39:03 < karlp> speaking as someone who went there as a tourist a couple of times
2015-06-29T21:39:52 < karlp> petersburg is great, moscow was fun, but I didnt' have as long there
2015-06-29T21:39:59 < karlp> very very different feeling between the two cities
2015-06-29T21:40:04 < karlp> it's not a 4 hour train either,
2015-06-29T21:40:09 < karlp> unless youð're paying for some sort of express
2015-06-29T21:40:14 < karlp> that was an overnight train
2015-06-29T21:40:34 < Tectu> karlp, well, we'll be there for four days. Anything you can recommend to do / watch in petersburg?
2015-06-29T21:40:42 < karlp> I haven't been there since 2010 iirc,
2015-06-29T21:40:51 < karlp> depends what you like doing :)
2015-06-29T21:41:01 < karlp> there's some fucking excellent drinking and dancing to be done :)
2015-06-29T21:41:04 < Tectu> karlp, I'm open to anything
2015-06-29T21:41:12 < Tectu> karlp, nope to dancing
2015-06-29T21:41:20 < karlp> the hermitage of course is classic for people who like looking at blobs of oil on stretched bits of dead cow
2015-06-29T21:41:34 < karlp> you can visit PaulFertser in moscow :)
2015-06-29T21:42:01 < karlp> if you're there in summer, try and get out to peterhof or ekaterinaburg
2015-06-29T21:42:11 < Tectu> maybe I can convince him to come to petersburg to show us around for one day :P
2015-06-29T21:42:23 < Tectu> karlp, I'll be there on 15th of july
2015-06-29T21:42:29 < karlp> you'll also notice a _massive_ difference from downtown petersburg to the suburbs or anywhere outside
2015-06-29T21:42:30 < Tectu> pretty much summer, I guess
2015-06-29T21:42:41 < Tectu> karlp, are there areas where I don't want to go to?
2015-06-29T21:43:29  * karlp shrugs
2015-06-29T21:43:31 < Steffanx> you'll go to finland too?
2015-06-29T21:43:45 < Steffanx> congrats btw, karlp
2015-06-29T21:43:48 < karlp> you're either a victim or you're not, doesn't really matter where you go
2015-06-29T21:43:50 < karlp> thanks man
2015-06-29T21:44:15 < Tectu> karlp, anything in / near petersburg you would want to do / go to with your girlfriend person?
2015-06-29T21:44:22 < karlp> the blood church in petersburg and st basils in moscow are both great
2015-06-29T21:44:26 < Taxman> can one online check if one is a victim or not?
2015-06-29T21:44:33 < karlp> Taxman:  :)
2015-06-29T21:44:57 < karlp> best advice I can say is get off nevsky, you're only going to find higher prices and generic high stree shit there
2015-06-29T21:45:15 < Tectu> karlp, thanks for the advice. Anything else before I leave?
2015-06-29T21:45:24  * karlp shrugs
2015-06-29T21:45:57 < Tectu> thanks man!
2015-06-29T21:46:14 < Tectu> cu folks
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2015-06-29T23:47:17 < _Getty> http://i.imgur.com/riZwtx9.png
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2015-06-30T00:26:58 < PaulFertser> karlp: you should have adviced him to find some locals among "couchsurfers" to help navigating through obscure backyards and the roofs. That's the real attractions in St.Petersburg, no kidding.
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2015-06-30T01:50:41 < karlp> I did love all the back courtyards and passages there
2015-06-30T01:50:55 < karlp> we never got up on the rooves much, even though kata lived there.
2015-06-30T01:51:27 < karlp> still, he turned down drinking and dancing, I decided he was a boring swiss who wanted to stomp up and down nevsky and look at statues and churces :)
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2015-06-30T04:34:03 < dongs> This is BS, I pledged for two LE's ZANO's GITD & RED & I can't find the RED in the Overpledgers store . Now folks are stating that they are sold out. Come on ZANO Team you need to get a handle of this, this is the easy part you have done all the hard part by making ZANO a reality.
2015-06-30T04:36:08 < dongs> Thanks for your pledge and your support!
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2015-06-30T04:36:09 < dongs> If you add an additional £189 to your pledge, we will ship you a ZANO Red!
2015-06-30T04:36:35 < dongs> this guy is not very bright ;d
2015-06-30T04:50:46 < dongs> Whilst I have no affiliation to TG, I can assure you from my own tracking of the project that Zano is very real, and Zano will be a very capable and unique drone. Quite soon all your and our questions will be answered because we'll start to have Zano devices in our hands from end of July onwards assuming certification proceeds as planned.
2015-06-30T04:53:45 < englishman> i always knew you were a pro redditor
2015-06-30T04:58:26 < aandrew> heh
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2015-06-30T06:05:18 < upgrdman> oh god why     http://i.imgur.com/1ALkAky.gifv
2015-06-30T06:05:43 < dongs> haha
2015-06-30T06:06:02 < dongs> damn
2015-06-30T06:06:17 < dongs> found out half my sot23/sc70 footprints are backwards
2015-06-30T06:06:25 < dongs> 132 instead of 123
2015-06-30T06:06:31 < dongs> fucking aids
2015-06-30T06:06:37 < dongs> i blame fairchild and their retarded datasheets
2015-06-30T06:06:54 < talsit> hehe, right
2015-06-30T06:07:06 < upgrdman> :)
2015-06-30T06:08:25 < dongs> spwnt whole morning fixing that instead of trolling zano
2015-06-30T06:09:33 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://i.imgur.com/htRJW6X.jpg
2015-06-30T06:11:18 < dongs> that looks like biker police
2015-06-30T06:11:22 < dongs> for especially gay
2015-06-30T06:11:40 < aandrew> for the criminally fabulous
2015-06-30T06:12:14 < aandrew> gonna take those criminals away to serve some hard time
2015-06-30T06:21:42 < dongs> easy, dont get arrested
2015-06-30T06:22:09 < upgrdman> bought one of those little usb power meters. figured out why one of my 2' usb extensions is shit. with no load: 4.997V... with 100mA load: 4.021V    lol
2015-06-30T06:23:14 < aandrew> haha
2015-06-30T06:23:18 < aandrew> good old 40AWG
2015-06-30T06:23:23 < upgrdman> exactly
2015-06-30T06:23:51 < upgrdman> i cut the connectors off, hoping it was just shit solder joints. nope. each wire looks like one stand of some stranded wire. trash.
2015-06-30T06:25:05 < dongs> heh yeah
2015-06-30T06:26:27 < upgrdman> also, it's overpriced, but this usb power meter is really nice:
2015-06-30T06:26:48 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-Power-Monitor-Red-YZXstudio-Voltage-Current-Meter-High-Resolution-OLED-/121607912972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c50657e0c
2015-06-30T06:27:35 < englishman> thirty bucks
2015-06-30T06:27:40 < dongs> da fuq
2015-06-30T06:27:41 < dongs> they're $3
2015-06-30T06:27:45 < dongs> you've got legionmeter'd
2015-06-30T06:28:00 < upgrdman> i've seen the $3 one. they don't compare
2015-06-30T06:28:10 < dongs> yeah the case is less red
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2015-06-30T06:28:56 < upgrdman> for example, it's accurate to at least 1mA (i checked with my 34401a) and has 100uA resolution.
2015-06-30T06:31:05 < englishman> at least its a company that can deliver more products than torquing ever has
2015-06-30T06:31:40 < dongs> torquing got new pics of zanofule in the store
2015-06-30T06:32:05 < dongs> http://www.flyzano.com/zano-fuel/
2015-06-30T06:32:30 < dongs> its a 2200mAh lipo but for some reason both parts have "low/full" indicator
2015-06-30T06:32:34 < upgrdman> does windoze have a way to mount ssh shares?
2015-06-30T06:32:39 < dongs> ssh what
2015-06-30T06:32:47 < upgrdman> secure shell
2015-06-30T06:32:50 < dongs> windows doesnt support retarded shit
2015-06-30T06:32:55 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-30T06:33:59 < englishman> See below an image of ZANOfuel connected to ZANO via MicroUSB charging port featured on ZANO.
2015-06-30T06:34:03 < englishman> pic not found????
2015-06-30T06:34:23 < dongs> ya saome dude on the forum pointed that out
2015-06-30T06:34:32 < dongs> and was told not to question anything dorquing does cuz they're pro
2015-06-30T06:34:40 < englishman> i dont get it thers two separate boxes there
2015-06-30T06:35:07 < dongs> my guess is long thing is just a plain ol china usb power thing
2015-06-30T06:35:17 < dongs> and top part is usb>lipo charger
2015-06-30T06:36:01 < dongs> plot twist: top part also has empty/full meter.
2015-06-30T06:36:06 < englishman> Wouldnt it be nice to use the zano automated flying around the object taking pictures from many different angles for creating 3dfiles? Due to the mobility of zano it could even "scan" bigger objects, like a house with only minimum effort.
2015-06-30T06:36:12 < englishman> Yes. And I already wrote a script to calculate the waypoints for doing just this. Once we see the SDK this will be one of the first apps available probably.
2015-06-30T06:36:13 < englishman> wow
2015-06-30T06:36:35 < dongs> haha, such math pros
2015-06-30T06:36:44 < dongs> yes
2015-06-30T06:37:06 < dongs> 12,000 of them
2015-06-30T06:37:17 < dongs> and i think they got another ~8k in preorders
2015-06-30T06:37:41 < dongs> 8k @ 169gbp = another 2.1mil$ lolz.
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2015-06-30T06:38:18 < englishman> second boat
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2015-06-30T06:41:41 < englishman> added pyongyang to zano backers map
2015-06-30T06:43:01 < dongs> how many retards are on that map
2015-06-30T06:43:07 < englishman> millions
2015-06-30T06:50:52 < dongs> 607 entries :(
2015-06-30T06:51:32 < dongs> haha i see hawaiitaco backed zano
2015-06-30T06:54:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wGFYgwm.gifv
2015-06-30T07:15:46 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/q33noov.gif
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2015-06-30T08:04:37 < upgrdman> damn. this is half funny half fucked up.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBdklMu4TuQ&feature=youtu.be
2015-06-30T08:06:58 < dongs> too long didnt watch
2015-06-30T08:07:00 < dongs> whats the summary
2015-06-30T08:07:06 < dongs> anything actually FUNNY happening other than a nigger getting belted?
2015-06-30T08:07:58 < upgrdman> belted 'til he cried
2015-06-30T08:08:02 < upgrdman> like a little bitch
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2015-06-30T08:40:51 < dongs> https://jobs.gaijinpot.com/job/view/lang/en/category/16/job_id/96869 haha waht a fucking joke. $28k a year for a PCB designer *with* 2-3 years experience.
2015-06-30T08:41:21 < dongs> (also garbage PCB soft)
2015-06-30T08:41:51 < dongs> Skills/Qualifications:
2015-06-30T08:41:54 < dongs> Hardware Design Tools, Electrical Board Design/Applications, Hardware Engineering Fundamentals, RISC, Analytical Tools, CAD/CAM Circuit Design, Design Skills, Attention to Detail, General Math Skills, Functional and Technical Skills, Innovation
2015-06-30T08:43:54 < jpa-> ah, innovation, i need to learn that one
2015-06-30T08:44:05 < dongs> maybe zyp can try it
2015-06-30T08:44:18 < dongs> so he can relaize his lifelong dream of working for a jap black company
2015-06-30T08:44:54 < emeb_mac> in-no-vay-shons
2015-06-30T08:45:21 < upgrdman> i think the standard of living was high-ish in .jp?
2015-06-30T08:45:28 < upgrdman> thought*
2015-06-30T08:45:39 < dongs> your moms basement is pretty high standard
2015-06-30T08:45:43 < dongs> and its free, too
2015-06-30T08:45:49 < dongs> thats where like 90% of hte japs live
2015-06-30T08:46:13 < upgrdman> srsly?
2015-06-30T08:46:35 < dongs> yeah they live with parents until they'er like 30 or 40
2015-06-30T08:46:38 < dongs> or until they get kicked out
2015-06-30T08:46:44 < upgrdman> wow
2015-06-30T08:47:15 < upgrdman> is that cultural, or just due to being poor
2015-06-30T08:47:25 < emeb_mac> and all the single women in .jp hate the single men, so no marriages, no kids, birthrate in the toilet.
2015-06-30T08:47:30 < DanteA> How about relations?
2015-06-30T08:47:50 < dongs> DanteA: see wat emeb_mac said
2015-06-30T08:47:51 < dongs> no relations.
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2015-06-30T08:48:09 < DanteA> It's impossible
2015-06-30T08:48:12 < dongs> http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/40-3-of-japanese-youth-depend-on-parents-for-income-survey
2015-06-30T08:48:45 < emeb_mac> pretty soon they'll have to import kids from best korea
2015-06-30T08:50:36 < dongs> japs are so fucked.
2015-06-30T08:50:55 < dongs> haha
2015-06-30T08:51:26 < dongs> RF engineer, 50k a year
2015-06-30T08:51:29 < dongs> who are they kidding
2015-06-30T08:51:35 < dongs> even emeb_mac wouldnt take that job
2015-06-30T08:51:40 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-06-30T08:52:14 < DanteA> Do you know my salary?
2015-06-30T08:52:21 < upgrdman> im just past pro-troll-in-training and make >50k
2015-06-30T08:52:22 < emeb_mac> do I care?
2015-06-30T08:55:44 < DanteA> I have $13k/year
2015-06-30T08:56:04 < upgrdman> what 3rd world country?
2015-06-30T08:56:14 < DanteA> Russia
2015-06-30T08:56:25 < DanteA> Saint Petersburg
2015-06-30T08:56:34 < upgrdman> $13k/yr is what, min wage?
2015-06-30T08:56:48 < DanteA> Nope
2015-06-30T08:57:02 < DanteA> High enough salary there
2015-06-30T08:57:30 < upgrdman> how much is rent for a 1 bedroom apart?
2015-06-30T08:59:08 < DanteA> $360/month
2015-06-30T09:01:28 < jpa-> finally some place where salary vs. rent is lower than here :)
2015-06-30T09:01:48 < jpa-> i usually always lose in the salary contests on this channel
2015-06-30T09:02:26 < upgrdman> jpa-, how much for a 1bd apartment in your area?
2015-06-30T09:02:44 < upgrdman> it's about $1k where i'm at
2015-06-30T09:02:50 < jpa-> about the same, 200-500 depending on how close to city center
2015-06-30T09:03:03 < upgrdman> ah
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2015-06-30T09:03:46 < akaWolf> jpa-: but you have higher salaries, I guess
2015-06-30T09:03:46 < jpa-> while median salary would be around 40k/year
2015-06-30T09:03:51 < akaWolf> yeah
2015-06-30T09:04:14 < jpa-> some 40% tax taken from that though
2015-06-30T09:04:21 < upgrdman> :(
2015-06-30T09:06:19 < akaWolf> jpa-: even -40% it's higher :)
2015-06-30T09:06:24 < akaWolf> with
2015-06-30T09:07:17 < jpa-> yeah, not really complaining
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2015-06-30T09:14:32 < dongs> my current office is a pretty good deal /month http://imgur.com/a/nE5zD
2015-06-30T09:19:07 < upgrdman> as a kid people used to tell me everything was expensive, everyone was rich, in .jp. lies. damn lies.
2015-06-30T09:19:38 < dongs> that was *probably* true when you were a kid lolol
2015-06-30T09:19:42 < dongs> the bubble etc.
2015-06-30T09:20:02 < dongs> now japan is a 3rd world shithole trying to catch up to the innovation powerhouse that is america
2015-06-30T09:20:44 < upgrdman> i wonder why america is doing so well, relatively speaking
2015-06-30T09:20:58 < upgrdman> not that i'm complaining
2015-06-30T09:21:16 < emeb_mac> bubble
2015-06-30T09:21:31 < emeb_mac> lots of leftover money from when we actually made things
2015-06-30T09:21:46 < emeb_mac> pretty soon that'll be gone, then poof
2015-06-30T09:22:06 < upgrdman> more leftover from the 70's?
2015-06-30T09:22:57 < emeb_mac> well, for now we're just reselling crap made in .cn to ourselves.
2015-06-30T09:24:01 < emeb_mac> that can only go on so long before everyone is working at Wal-Mart and no one can afford what they're selling.
2015-06-30T09:24:23 < upgrdman> people have been saying that since at least the 90s
2015-06-30T09:24:36 < upgrdman> not everyone works at walmart. just the dumb ones.
2015-06-30T09:25:03 < emeb_mac> the smart ones work as doctors, overcharging their patients
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2015-06-30T09:25:18 < emeb_mac> or real-estate, selling US land & housing to foreigners.
2015-06-30T09:25:26 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-30T09:25:35 < emeb_mac> or lawyers, suing everyone in sight
2015-06-30T09:26:23 < emeb_mac> software jobs seem to involve writing "apps" for smartphones - hoping to strike it rich with the next Angry Birds
2015-06-30T09:26:48 < emeb_mac> hardware engineering is dead - .in and .cn have taken over that.
2015-06-30T09:26:49 < upgrdman> my sister is a teacher. she has a masters degree. i havn't even finished my bachlors yet (will in a few months though) and i probably make more than she does. i need to find a way to rub that in her face, but with class.
2015-06-30T09:27:44  * emeb_mac is feeling cynical tonight
2015-06-30T09:27:50 < upgrdman> mmhmmm
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2015-06-30T09:28:29 < dongs> emeb_mac: just opensores all teh things
2015-06-30T09:28:33 < dongs> so india can steal your designs!11
2015-06-30T09:28:45 < emeb_mac> teaching is a dead-end. public schools are being run down the toilet in favor of non-union charters
2015-06-30T09:29:12 < emeb_mac> and charters are managed by crooks who skim all the cash and don't pay their teachers jack.
2015-06-30T09:29:26 < upgrdman> the schools and uni i went to were union. and the union did a good job of keeping management from fixing problems.
2015-06-30T09:29:49 < emeb_mac> yeah - unions are the root of all evil. everyone is feather bedding.
2015-06-30T09:30:10 < upgrdman> some unions are good. but most... are hard to defend.
2015-06-30T09:30:31 < emeb_mac> and non-union workers are all being beat down so that upper managment can get big bonuses.
2015-06-30T09:31:25 < emeb_mac> we should all just give our cash to the likes of the bankers who walked away with the economy.
2015-06-30T09:31:29 < emeb_mac> they're creating jobs
2015-06-30T09:31:41 < emeb_mac> at McDonalds
2015-06-30T09:31:58 < upgrdman> my first job was at a mcdonalds.
2015-06-30T09:31:59 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-30T09:32:26 < emeb_mac> you should have stayed there - it's our future!
2015-06-30T09:32:41 < emeb_mac> you could be a manager while the rest of us clean toilets
2015-06-30T09:33:07 < upgrdman> that job sucked so much. i think the only reason why i stayed there as long as i did was i went from $10/week allowence to $450 paychecks every two weeks.
2015-06-30T09:33:29 < upgrdman> to a high school kid it was fucking gold
2015-06-30T09:33:40 < upgrdman> now... i wouldn't even get out of bed for that little of pay
2015-06-30T09:35:11 < emeb_mac> you've changed. expectations so high. you'll be no good as a galley slave.
2015-06-30T09:35:22 < upgrdman> yay for me
2015-06-30T09:35:49 < upgrdman> where do you hail from?
2015-06-30T09:36:03 < emeb_mac> PHX AZ
2015-06-30T09:36:39 < emeb_mac> you?
2015-06-30T09:36:54 < upgrdman> los angeles area
2015-06-30T09:38:19 < emeb_mac> Well then - 6 hrs west.
2015-06-30T09:38:55 < emeb_mac> Drive thru there all the time - on the way to elsewhere.
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2015-06-30T09:39:22 < dongs> hah
2015-06-30T09:39:23 < upgrdman> i hate la. population density makes it aggrevativing.
2015-06-30T09:39:33 < dongs> this guy from Turkey managed to checkout in my shop wiht _Select_, Turkey as address
2015-06-30T09:41:02 < dongs> probly gaypal fail
2015-06-30T09:41:03 < upgrdman> did he buy one our ipad lcd thinggys?
2015-06-30T09:41:14 < upgrdman> *of your
2015-06-30T09:41:22 < dongs> yeah actually. why? have you been advertising shit to turks?
2015-06-30T09:41:29 < upgrdman> no lol
2015-06-30T09:41:50 < upgrdman> just figured it was your most popular thing
2015-06-30T09:42:13 < dongs> well its like the only thing I keep in stock
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2015-06-30T09:42:17 < dongs> so they dont have a lot of choice
2015-06-30T09:42:23 < upgrdman> o
2015-06-30T09:42:35 < Roklobsta> dongs: what is your shop site url?
2015-06-30T09:42:46 < emeb_mac> not selling butt-loads of copter stuff anymore?
2015-06-30T09:43:13 < dongs> emeb_mac: not direct to dweebs, no. waste of time. just directly to dudes who have time to deal with reselling them
2015-06-30T09:44:58 < emeb_mac> dongs: I was wandering thru a hobby store nearby here - expecting the usual model airplanes and miniature train set landscaping. Turned out to be a huge copter outfit - lots of cool crap.
2015-06-30T09:45:17 < emeb_mac> big motors, props, various body parts, R/C systems.
2015-06-30T09:45:37 < emeb_mac> huge systems for carrying cameras. Was surprising.
2015-06-30T09:45:46 < upgrdman> i used to work for a chain of hobby stores. they're getting into quads because its EASY money
2015-06-30T09:45:49 < dongs> emeb_mac: yeah probly all chinese shit
2015-06-30T09:46:01 < upgrdman> noobs who want to spend $1k+ for something they know nothing about
2015-06-30T09:46:05 < dongs> upgrdman: right, each time $1000 flies away, you feel shitty and buy a new one
2015-06-30T09:46:10 < upgrdman> becuase they want to make it big as a videographer
2015-06-30T09:46:16 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-06-30T09:46:40 < emeb_mac> guy running the store was asian - probably buys it all cheap from the family back home.
2015-06-30T09:46:42 < upgrdman> the quad shit was just started before i transfered over to their corp offices.
2015-06-30T09:47:08 < upgrdman> i recall customers coming in, not caring about what they bought, just that it could carry a gopro
2015-06-30T09:47:18 < upgrdman> and they'd crash the fuck out of it
2015-06-30T09:47:23 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-06-30T09:47:24 < upgrdman> and buy more
2015-06-30T09:47:31 < emeb_mac> easy come, easy go
2015-06-30T09:47:32 < upgrdman> lather, rinse, repeat
2015-06-30T09:47:45 < emeb_mac> too much money, not enough sense
2015-06-30T09:48:17 < dongs> that describes 99% of quadflying dickheads
2015-06-30T09:48:28 < upgrdman> that's also why the car side of the RC hobby is often bigger than the plane/heli side. car guys are mouth breathers that buy the new shiney toy without much thought
2015-06-30T09:48:33 < PeterM> djronezzzzzz
2015-06-30T09:48:39 < dongs> I was biking yesterday and saw a shithead flying some chinadrone with his ipad
2015-06-30T09:48:53 < dongs> stuck around for ~5 minutes hoping it would fall into  ocean
2015-06-30T09:49:02 < dongs> it was like 5m./s winds
2015-06-30T09:49:09 < dongs> and the moron had it up at least 1km
2015-06-30T09:49:14 < dongs> couldnt see the shit or hear it
2015-06-30T09:49:37 < dongs> finally i see it slowly wobbling down like the typical chinese garbage, one of those dji $2.5k plastic shits
2015-06-30T09:49:43 < dongs> i hope he gets anal cancer
2015-06-30T09:50:35 < upgrdman> lol
2015-06-30T09:51:07 < upgrdman> because he flies DJI?
2015-06-30T09:51:20 < dongs> beause hes a moron flying plastic tarsh 1km up in 5m/s winds
2015-06-30T09:51:30 < dongs> over ocean/roads/people living area
2015-06-30T09:51:36 < upgrdman> ah
2015-06-30T09:52:00 < PeterM> dont worry, he wont be for long
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2015-06-30T09:52:19 < dongs> right
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2015-06-30T09:58:22  * emeb_mac waits for drone warz. guys with big drones & nets out harvesting others.
2015-06-30T10:03:51 < emeb_mac> dongs: if you want to start selling electronic warfare stuff I can help you design it.
2015-06-30T10:04:08 < dongs> yeah, i could have totally used a 2.4G jammer near that guy
2015-06-30T10:04:12 < emeb_mac> drones with radar, jammers and elint.
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2015-06-30T10:14:24 < stukdev> i don't understand why my call to bootloader on stm32f4 as stopping work, this is the code i used http://pastebin.com/vsuXhLBx
2015-06-30T10:14:31 < dongs> http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20110720/640/asian_nazi_wedding_640_01.jpg
2015-06-30T10:15:15 < dongs> err
2015-06-30T10:15:23 < jpa-> stukdev: check with debugger how it does not work?
2015-06-30T10:15:33 < dongs> i dont think thats going to work like that
2015-06-30T10:15:49 < jpa-> usually your address should be atleast odd, and i'm not so sure if that is the correct address anyway
2015-06-30T10:15:51 < stukdev> jpa-: after the call to jump the board reset
2015-06-30T10:16:27 < dongs> how i jump to BL is set a flag in nvram and force reset, then jump to it from reset vector
2015-06-30T10:16:49 < jpa-> yeah, jumping right after reset is usually easier
2015-06-30T10:17:35 < stukdev> sure, but after its not going to bootloader but from application...this is strange
2015-06-30T10:17:46 < dongs> are you stopping interrupts?
2015-06-30T10:18:32 < stukdev> dongs: i use HAL_DeInit();
2015-06-30T10:18:39 < stukdev> after the jump
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2015-06-30T10:19:11 < dongs> stukdev: if youre doing this you need to at least setmsp, and your address is either +5 or +1 i forget
2015-06-30T10:19:16 < dongs> to actual BL jump target.
2015-06-30T10:19:30 < dongs> there's plenty of shit on google, just search
2015-06-30T10:19:38 < dongs> .google stm32 jump to bootloader
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2015-06-30T10:20:39 < jpa-> stukdev: does HAL_DeInit() reset oscillator etc?
2015-06-30T10:20:51 < dongs> doubtful
2015-06-30T10:21:14 < stukdev> dongs: sure, the addres is 0x1FFFF000 but the reset vector is 4 so jump is  0x1FFFF000 + 4
2015-06-30T10:21:44 < jpa-> you say the processor resets - what is the reset cause?
2015-06-30T10:21:54 < jpa-> (read from the rcc register)
2015-06-30T10:21:55 < dongs> stukdev: then it needs to be +1
2015-06-30T10:22:01 < dongs> and you still need to __setmsp
2015-06-30T10:22:19 < stukdev> dongs: you mean 0x1FFFF000 + 4 +1???
2015-06-30T10:22:47 < dongs> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26891432/jump-to-bootloader-in-stm32-through-appliction-i-e-using-boot-0-and-boot-1-pins 1st answer
2015-06-30T10:23:08 < dongs> hm thats jumping to 2nd image tho
2015-06-30T10:23:16 < dongs> i duno i only did this in startup ASM
2015-06-30T10:23:18 < dongs> never from userspace
2015-06-30T10:23:30 < qyx_> why +1? the compiler handles that
2015-06-30T10:23:34 < stukdev> dongs:  what is Thumbmode?
2015-06-30T10:23:36 < qyx_> https://github.com/iqyx/ubload/blob/master/common/fw_image.c#L57
2015-06-30T10:23:38 < qyx_> this works for me
2015-06-30T10:23:41 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/9PPy5K83.html
2015-06-30T10:23:47 < dongs> ^ works form e :)
2015-06-30T10:24:25 < dongs> qyx, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2015-06-30T10:24:29 < dongs> what an awful fucking gcc-only hack
2015-06-30T10:24:47 < dongs> :)
2015-06-30T10:25:11 < qyx_> meh
2015-06-30T10:26:05 < jpa-> https://github.com/Seeed-Studio/DSOQuad_SourceCode/blob/master/SYS_V1.50/source/Main.c#L102  here is how some IAR coders seem to do it
2015-06-30T10:26:20 < dongs> thats more like it
2015-06-30T10:26:27 < dongs> cuz __setmsp is a cmsis intrinsic
2015-06-30T10:26:34 < dongs> well,tehy're using IAR shit one
2015-06-30T10:26:40 < dongs> but there's one in cmsis that everyone should be using
2015-06-30T10:26:46 < dongs> that resolves to wahtever correct stuff you use in compiler
2015-06-30T10:26:59 < jpa-> so yeah, seems the compiler handles it if you use func pointers
2015-06-30T10:27:14 < dongs> do you compile dsoquad firmware with IAR?
2015-06-30T10:27:26 < dongs> or your modules are built independently
2015-06-30T10:27:41 < jpa-> mine are built separately with gcc
2015-06-30T10:27:55 < jpa-> only original chinese crap uses IAR
2015-06-30T10:27:58 < dongs> heh
2015-06-30T10:28:11 < dongs> (C) COPYRIGHT 2010 e-Design Co.,Ltd.
2015-06-30T10:28:24 < dongs> https://github.com/Seeed-Studio/DSOQuad_SourceCode/blob/master/SYS_V1.50/source/Authenticate.c
2015-06-30T10:28:27 < dongs> wat
2015-06-30T10:28:30 < dongs> they had licenses for those things?
2015-06-30T10:29:27 < jpa-> yeah, really crappy "protection" for open sores firmware
2015-06-30T10:29:30 < jpa-> can't really see why
2015-06-30T10:29:43 < jpa-> it just blows up if you have to do full erasure of the device
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2015-06-30T10:30:06 < dongs> sounds like something chinks did on quadcopter board i cloned years ago
2015-06-30T10:30:16 < dongs> they had chip ID xor'd and stored in last block of flash
2015-06-30T10:30:37 < dongs> so if  you erased firmware or copied it from one board into a blank one, it wouldn't work
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2015-06-30T10:32:51 < jpa-> i do similar stuff in commercial things
2015-06-30T10:33:21 < dongs> shouldnt oyu just ROP the stuff in commercila things
2015-06-30T10:33:32 < jpa-> need firmware updates
2015-06-30T10:33:37 < dongs> AES?
2015-06-30T10:33:56 < jpa-> too much hassle really
2015-06-30T10:34:03 < dongs> tru, dpeends how copy-worthy it is
2015-06-30T10:34:23 < jpa-> the fact that original firmwares do not work on cloned devices should be hint enough
2015-06-30T10:34:29 < dongs> took me 5 minutes in debugger attached to the chinaboard to step through reset vector and find out why it was trashing itself
2015-06-30T10:34:31 < jpa-> if someone wants to copy it, they'll copy it anyway
2015-06-30T10:34:52 < jpa-> and yeah, making modded firmwares is easy enough
2015-06-30T10:35:48 < qyx_> jpa-: meh vu32
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2015-06-30T12:25:29 < dongs> @FlyZANO: Hi David,
2015-06-30T12:25:30 < dongs> Our SD card slot is only rated up to 32GB. A 32gb version of this card would wok fine as it is class 10.
2015-06-30T12:25:33 < dongs> L O L
2015-06-30T12:25:40 < dongs> all those idiots on forums dreaming about 128gb cards
2015-06-30T12:26:30 < ReadError> SD card slots are rated by capacity?
2015-06-30T12:27:08 < dongs> yes
2015-06-30T12:27:11 < dongs> according to zano
2015-06-30T12:27:53 < jpa-> the SD card size issue is ridiculous
2015-06-30T12:28:09 < jpa-> you'd think that after the initial "oops 512MB isn't enough" they'd go straight to uint64_t or something
2015-06-30T12:28:16 < ReadError> huehuehue
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2015-06-30T12:28:29 < dongs> err, 32gb thing is strictly a zano issue.
2015-06-30T12:28:34 < dongs> tehy won't license/have enough ram for exfat
2015-06-30T12:28:45 < dongs> nor does PIC32 have SDIO/UHS sd controller thingy
2015-06-30T12:29:14 < jpa-> nothing stops formatting >32GB as fat, though
2015-06-30T12:29:22 < jpa-> with video files it is not like there is much problems
2015-06-30T12:30:37 < jpa-> the SDXC + exFat is ridiculous also, though
2015-06-30T12:30:42 < Taxman> you mean fat32
2015-06-30T12:31:22 < jpa-> ?
2015-06-30T12:31:41 < Taxman> >32GB as fat is not possible i think
2015-06-30T12:32:07 < jpa-> as fat32 of course yeah, fat16 is max 512MB or something right?
2015-06-30T12:32:22 < Taxman> i thought up to 2 GB
2015-06-30T12:32:24 < jpa-> yeah
2015-06-30T12:32:28 < Taxman> but with BIG clusters
2015-06-30T12:32:42 < jpa-> "64KB".. not so big in modern terms
2015-06-30T12:32:59 < jpa-> especially if storing videos/photos and not 2 million tiny text files
2015-06-30T12:33:30 < jpa-> fat32 4GB file size limit is a bit problematic though
2015-06-30T12:33:49 < Taxman> fat is crap alltogether ;)
2015-06-30T12:34:04 < jpa-> it is simple
2015-06-30T12:34:11 < Taxman> yes
2015-06-30T12:34:22 < jpa-> that is its benefit
2015-06-30T12:34:23 < Taxman> and all and everything supports it
2015-06-30T12:43:24 < ReadError> if they can stream 4k video for 2km with zero latency why is SD card even an issue
2015-06-30T12:45:32 < jpa-> to store the 4k video, of course
2015-06-30T12:46:20 < Taxman> but how can one decode 4k video with stm32?
2015-06-30T12:46:30 < ReadError> its dick32
2015-06-30T12:46:35 < ReadError> pic*
2015-06-30T12:46:48 < jpa-> with custom assembler code
2015-06-30T12:46:54 < jpa-> they have custom arctan() that is very fast
2015-06-30T12:46:57 < ReadError> 200mhz running at 800mhz
2015-06-30T12:47:04 < ReadError> from their custom asm
2015-06-30T12:47:13 < Taxman> i am asking what format would be good for motion picture on a 800x480 display
2015-06-30T12:47:21 < Taxman> connected to a STM32F4
2015-06-30T12:47:40 < Taxman> maybe uncompressed and DMA from SDHC to SDRAM framebuffer
2015-06-30T12:47:59 < Taxman> maybe such an old format like flc, you know this?
2015-06-30T12:48:33 < Taxman> ths STM32F4 TFT DISCO uses mjpeg. but i don't know how much frames are possible at 800x480
2015-06-30T12:49:21 < ReadError> http://export.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f746g-disco/dev-kit-discovery-cortex-m7-stm32f7/dp/2480961?ost=STM32F746G-DISCO&CMP=GRHS-1000962
2015-06-30T12:49:23 < ReadError> btw
2015-06-30T12:49:27 < ReadError> for yall euros
2015-06-30T12:49:55 < jpa-> Taxman: why would you do that on stm32f4 instead of something that has hardware decoder?
2015-06-30T12:51:54 < Taxman> well, it is a nice to have feature for exhibitions where the device shows on the display some presentations/video clips stored on a SDHC
2015-06-30T12:52:21 < Taxman> something like a showroom mode
2015-06-30T12:52:43 < jpa-> ok
2015-06-30T12:53:04 < Taxman> and nice to know whats possible with F4 ;)
2015-06-30T12:53:14 < jpa-> i'd expect stm32f4 to decode mjpeg pretty fast
2015-06-30T12:53:29 < Taxman> i just played around with the DMA2D (Blit), it is rock fast
2015-06-30T12:54:05 < jpa-> when has copying pixels around been slow?
2015-06-30T12:54:35 < Taxman> the CPU - SDRAM interface is slow, no good design at the F4
2015-06-30T12:55:08 < Taxman> it is so slow that one can watch a whole-page-solid-color-fill
2015-06-30T13:02:34 < dongs> nice. gonna get stu to buy that shit for me
2015-06-30T13:02:55 < ReadError> dongs f7 disco?
2015-06-30T13:02:59 < dongs> y
2015-06-30T13:03:15 < Taxman> or visiting a hands on workshop
2015-06-30T13:04:42 < dongs> ur hands on
2015-06-30T13:05:17 < Taxman> i am planning to visit hands on in oct
2015-06-30T13:05:27 < dongs> i dont think they do them in japan
2015-06-30T13:05:41 < Taxman> i don't know
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2015-06-30T13:49:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Agwxq.png
2015-06-30T13:50:37 < Tectu> just got my zano delivered
2015-06-30T13:50:48 < dongs> sweet
2015-06-30T13:51:05 < zyp> «We would like to understand and investigate this matter more thoroughly. Would you be so kind to let us know what technical issues you have that require you to use only revision 3 and how did you determine this?»
2015-06-30T13:51:54 < zyp> (mouser customer support, after informing me that they don't have rev3 parts)
2015-06-30T13:54:48 < jpa-> you replied with link to errata? :)
2015-06-30T13:55:51 < dongs> haha
2015-06-30T13:57:11 < zyp> jpa-, yes, and a description of how it affects me
2015-06-30T14:00:24 < Tectu> zyp, may you share said descrption?
2015-06-30T14:00:57 < dongs> you need to lurk moar
2015-06-30T14:01:02 < dongs> he mentioned it sevral times in here
2015-06-30T14:03:43 < zyp> Tectu, there's a hilarious bug in older revisions; reads from second flash block can be corrupted if you use PA12, which happens to be one of the usb pins
2015-06-30T14:04:00 < zyp> I have a design using PA12 for USB, and customer wants more flash
2015-06-30T14:04:33 < zyp> and there's 100+ unassembled boards of this design at dongs' place
2015-06-30T14:04:58 < Tectu> zyp, oh dear. And mouser people don't understand because they aren't engineers but sales men?
2015-06-30T14:05:32 < zyp> well, I don't assume they know every errata on every chip they sell
2015-06-30T14:05:50 < zyp> anyway, I'm out
2015-06-30T14:06:35 < PeterM> I'd be under the impression that "this guy is asking for a specific revision of a chip, i figure he has good reason for asking for a specific revision otherwise he wouldnt be asking"
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2015-06-30T14:16:50 < Tectu> I'm sure dongs can source them from the next SEG store
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2015-06-30T14:27:09 < dongs> sig heil store
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2015-06-30T14:43:44 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/story
2015-06-30T14:48:42 < Laurenceb_> lolz
2015-06-30T14:52:54 < Laurenceb_> I currently work in a shoe shop in London.
2015-06-30T14:52:55 < Laurenceb_> wut
2015-06-30T14:53:50 < Tectu> €68,750EUR   is that 68k€ or just 68€ ?
2015-06-30T14:54:02 < Tectu> sorry, always screwing up the different , vs . vs ' notations
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2015-06-30T14:55:44 < Tectu> I mean in cease of greece 68€ would already be a lot
2015-06-30T14:56:33 < akaWolf> Tectu: I guessm 68k
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2015-06-30T15:01:42 < ReadError> dongs https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1090944145/pocket-nc-the-first-5-axis-cnc-mill-for-your-deskt?ref=category
2015-06-30T15:02:47 < Tectu> wut? that looks actually quite well made
2015-06-30T15:02:58 < Tectu> looks like a really sane design to me
2015-06-30T15:03:03 < ReadError> ya
2015-06-30T15:03:05 < Tectu> (for that size / price)
2015-06-30T15:03:23 < Tectu> gosh, I want one of those
2015-06-30T15:03:28 < Tectu> get me one
2015-06-30T15:05:41 < scrts2> what for?
2015-06-30T15:05:48 < scrts2> produce wooden, metal and plastic dongs?
2015-06-30T15:07:36 < Laurenceb_> spindle looks interesting
2015-06-30T15:07:46 < Laurenceb_> is that just a big bearing unit?
2015-06-30T15:07:51 < Laurenceb_> or air spindle?
2015-06-30T15:08:00 < jpa-> seems ok, but bit expensive
2015-06-30T15:08:16 < Tectu> yep, 2k would work for me
2015-06-30T15:08:19 < jpa-> especially if it cannot do steel
2015-06-30T15:08:20 < Tectu> even 2.5k
2015-06-30T15:10:06 < jpa-> not sure what i would do with one of those, though
2015-06-30T15:10:49 < jpa-> i wonder why they limited spindle speed to 10krpm, too slow for pcb milling
2015-06-30T15:11:06 < ReadError> well 30k is too fast for aluminum etc
2015-06-30T15:11:16 < jpa-> of course keep it adjustable
2015-06-30T15:11:21 < ReadError> sacrafice rpm for torque though
2015-06-30T15:11:24 < _Sync_> Tectu: it is a pos
2015-06-30T15:11:39 < _Sync_> ReadError: it is not too fast
2015-06-30T15:11:41 < jpa-> but if the spindle is rated for 50krpm, i see no reason not to offer adjustment up to 50krpm
2015-06-30T15:11:45 < _Sync_> they use puny mills
2015-06-30T15:11:50 < _Sync_> so 50krpm is ideal
2015-06-30T15:11:57 < jpa-> _Sync_: not without coolant
2015-06-30T15:12:00 < _Sync_> need to keep dem surface feed up
2015-06-30T15:12:04 < _Sync_> ofc without coolant jpa-
2015-06-30T15:12:19 < ReadError> they do HSS on aluminum all the time w/o collant
2015-06-30T15:12:21 < ReadError> coolant*
2015-06-30T15:12:26 < _Sync_> almost nobody uses flood with alu
2015-06-30T15:12:27 < ReadError> HSM*
2015-06-30T15:12:49 < _Sync_> good ZOX coated carbide mill and off you go
2015-06-30T15:12:56 < _Sync_> maybe airblast
2015-06-30T15:13:24 < jpa-> the vertical orientation helps with chip removal though
2015-06-30T15:13:35 < _Sync_> look at the videos
2015-06-30T15:13:40 < _Sync_> it chatters in pine
2015-06-30T15:13:49 < _Sync_> and constantly chatters on the engine block
2015-06-30T15:15:34 < _Sync_> which is an issue because the very small endmills break fast
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2015-06-30T15:15:59 < _Sync_> I also think the steppers for the rotary axes are too small
2015-06-30T15:16:10 < _Sync_> because they need to provide all the rigidity
2015-06-30T15:16:18 < ReadError> im sure its geared isnt it?
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2015-06-30T15:18:12 < Tectu> ReadError, they use a timing belt, yes
2015-06-30T15:18:21 < Tectu> you can see it in the assembly part of the video
2015-06-30T15:18:27 < ReadError> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIuErS5XAAAOG_k.jpg:large
2015-06-30T15:18:32  * ReadError unsure if troll or srs
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2015-06-30T15:19:31 < _Sync_> I'm not sure how they support the rotaries
2015-06-30T15:19:37 < _Sync_> there is a fat angular roller bearing
2015-06-30T15:19:40 < _Sync_> but they need two
2015-06-30T15:20:15 < _Sync_> and a lot of the chatter will come out of the single truck Z axis
2015-06-30T15:20:34 < Tectu> uhm, can anybody explain that rainbow flag thing that happened the past couple of days to me?
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2015-06-30T15:21:07 < Tectu> ReadError, he seems to miss that landslides actually happen naturally :P
2015-06-30T15:21:11 < Laurenceb_> Tectu: you came out as gay?
2015-06-30T15:21:24 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, wut
2015-06-30T15:21:36 < Laurenceb_> everyone is celebrating for you
2015-06-30T15:21:39 < jpa-> yeah, that was my first impression also
2015-06-30T15:21:42 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, was this one of the "post rainbow flag or uragayfag things"?
2015-06-30T15:21:50 < jpa-> that Tectu finally came out of closet
2015-06-30T15:21:51 < ReadError> Tectu
2015-06-30T15:22:03 < ReadError> supreme court said gay marriage is allowed in the USA
2015-06-30T15:22:06 < ReadError> in all states
2015-06-30T15:22:11 < Tectu> ReadError, oh dear
2015-06-30T15:22:27 < zyp> Tectu, now you can get married
2015-06-30T15:22:28 < Tectu> so upgrdman can finally get married
2015-06-30T15:22:33 < Tectu> ._.
2015-06-30T15:22:43 < jpa-> still illegal in swissieland?
2015-06-30T15:22:44 < Tectu> why are gay jokes funny btw?
2015-06-30T15:22:45 < zyp> ooh, that's who you're into
2015-06-30T15:23:12 < Tectu> well played, zyp
2015-06-30T15:23:36 < zyp> because of the reactions you get
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2015-06-30T15:29:51 < jubatus> because butts
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2015-06-30T15:31:24 < Roklobsta> do the stm32 parts support the DFU mode?
2015-06-30T15:31:44 < jubatus> yes
2015-06-30T15:32:50 < jpa-> not standard dfu, though
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2015-06-30T15:33:10 < zyp> «standard dfu»
2015-06-30T15:33:45 < jpa-> true :)
2015-06-30T15:36:05 < stukdev_> jpa: not standard dfu?
2015-06-30T15:37:40 < zyp> stukdev_, dfu is a pretty thin standard, so everybody using it tends to do their own bullshit around it
2015-06-30T15:37:55 < stukdev_> ok
2015-06-30T15:38:07 < Roklobsta> so dfu-util is not usable?
2015-06-30T15:38:11 < zyp> the rom bootloader in stm32 chips have an extension that'll let you provide the flash addr you'll write to
2015-06-30T15:38:20 < zyp> dfu-util supports the ST extensions
2015-06-30T15:38:25 < Roklobsta> sweet
2015-06-30T15:38:31 < jpa-> http://dfu-util.sourceforge.net/dfuse.html
2015-06-30T15:39:35 < Roklobsta> ok i'll design usb into the circuit for dfu
2015-06-30T15:40:06 < zyp> IMO it's preferable to roll your own bootloader, rather than use the built in one
2015-06-30T15:40:07 < stukdev_> don't use dfuse 3.0.4 is bugged, use 3.0.3
2015-06-30T15:40:32 < jpa-> zyp: why?
2015-06-30T15:40:44 < Roklobsta> someone fucked up by the sounds of it.
2015-06-30T15:41:45 < zyp> jpa-, added flexibility, custom forced bootloader entry, image validity checking, no need to supply addrs from host side meaning less risk for users to fuck up
2015-06-30T15:41:59 < zyp> or even custom protocol
2015-06-30T15:42:22 < jpa-> true, if you aren't going to supply custom flash program, instead of DFU i would use MSD
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2015-06-30T15:42:38 < zyp> MSD?
2015-06-30T15:42:46 < jpa-> mass storage device
2015-06-30T15:42:48 < zyp> mass storage?
2015-06-30T15:42:59 < zyp> ah, yeah
2015-06-30T15:43:06 < dongs> mass stoRAGE
2015-06-30T15:43:11 < dongs> mbed-style
2015-06-30T15:44:14 < zyp> jpa-, only problem is that either you need to have enough storage to hold a filesystem containing a firmware image, or you have to emulate the file system
2015-06-30T15:44:26 < zyp> and I'm not really a fan of that :)
2015-06-30T15:44:41 < jpa-> the emulation seems to work surprisingly well
2015-06-30T15:45:05 < zyp> it's a shame there's no good standard usb file system protocol, as opposed to block dev
2015-06-30T15:45:11 < jpa-> yeah
2015-06-30T15:45:33 < zyp> there's MTP, but it's not very well standardized
2015-06-30T15:46:36 < zyp> I guess some network file system over ECM could work
2015-06-30T15:46:41 < Laurenceb_> MSD for flashing?
2015-06-30T15:46:46 < zyp> or even just HTTP over ECM
2015-06-30T15:46:59 < Laurenceb_> interesting - I was going to try that but realised it was going to be big
2015-06-30T15:47:19 < Laurenceb_> atm I use bluetooth bootloader on work projects
2015-06-30T15:47:22 < jpa-> dso quad does it somehow, not sure if mbed has emulation or only with sd card
2015-06-30T15:48:05 < zyp> emulating a readonly filesystem is pretty easy, but writable sounds a fair amount harder, since you don't really have any control on the order blocks will be written
2015-06-30T15:48:50 < jpa-> you theoretically don't have control, but in practice..
2015-06-30T15:49:29 < jpa-> when copying a single file, the operating system would be silly to reorder the operations
2015-06-30T15:51:08 < dongs> mbed is emulating
2015-06-30T15:51:12 < dongs> it works pretty well
2015-06-30T15:51:46 < dongs> o wait
2015-06-30T15:51:52 < dongs> im thikning something else with mbed and uSD card
2015-06-30T15:52:01 < dongs> duno how non-storage things works.
2015-06-30T15:52:02 < zyp> idk, I don't trust that all hosts are sane
2015-06-30T15:52:09 < dongs> maybe it just starts writing 1st file it receives into userspace
2015-06-30T15:52:16 < dongs> block by block
2015-06-30T15:52:25 < jadew> are there any STM32s in DIP package?
2015-06-30T15:52:31 < zyp> dongs, but how does it even know whether it's a file or FS metadata?
2015-06-30T15:52:31 < dongs> fuck no
2015-06-30T15:52:39 < dongs> zyp: err,  createfile type thing?
2015-06-30T15:52:49 < zyp> there's no createfile
2015-06-30T15:52:51 < jpa-> i think dso quad keeps the FAT table in ram (a few kB) and emulates the rest
2015-06-30T15:53:00 < zyp> remember, mass storage is block level
2015-06-30T15:53:05 < jpa-> os x does mess it up a bit though
2015-06-30T15:53:10 < zyp> what happens in the file system on top of it is transparent to it
2015-06-30T15:53:17 < jpa-> because os x automatically writes all kinds of stupid crap to mounted volumes
2015-06-30T15:53:24 < dongs> yes
2015-06-30T15:53:27 < dongs> __MACOS_ folder and shit
2015-06-30T15:53:30 < dongs> gay trash
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2015-06-30T15:53:34 < dongs> RESOURCE FORK
2015-06-30T15:54:17 < jpa-> os x is really slow to mount usb full speed drives also
2015-06-30T15:54:27 < jpa-> because it has so much crap to write through the slow usb
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2015-06-30T16:19:48 < Rickta59> jadew: these are doable with a breakout board from ebay
2015-06-30T16:19:51 < Rickta59> STM32F051K8T6
2015-06-30T16:21:06 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181325611755 and those
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2015-06-30T16:37:00 < jadew> Rickta59, neat
2015-06-30T16:37:28 < Rickta59> there are ebay boards with it already soldered on ..
2015-06-30T16:37:28 < jadew> was hoping for a smaller footprint tho, but that could work too
2015-06-30T16:37:32 < Rickta59> in a dip format
2015-06-30T16:37:35 < Rickta59> and faster chips
2015-06-30T16:38:10 < jadew> I think I have one or two like that
2015-06-30T16:38:20 < Rickta59> what is wrong with those then?
2015-06-30T16:38:23 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261472191025
2015-06-30T16:38:47 < Rickta59> these are the smallest i've found
2015-06-30T16:38:47 < jadew> too wide
2015-06-30T16:38:50 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311248450407
2015-06-30T16:38:55 < Rickta59> skinner than the other
2015-06-30T16:38:59 < jadew> yeah, I have some like that
2015-06-30T16:39:23 < Rickta59> there are tssop stm32s if you are looking for small
2015-06-30T16:40:34 < jadew> well, I'm looking for real DIP packages tbh, something I can use easily for quick stuff
2015-06-30T16:40:44 < Rickta59> yeah stm isn't your company
2015-06-30T16:41:05 < Roklobsta> jadew: fat fingers?
2015-06-30T16:41:35 < Fleck> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261472191025 << I have this...
2015-06-30T16:41:56 < jadew> me too
2015-06-30T16:41:57 < Rickta59> i like those a lot
2015-06-30T16:42:07 < Rickta59> simple to use with an stlink programmer
2015-06-30T16:42:13 < Rickta59> but everything you need to make it go
2015-06-30T16:42:35 < Fleck> and this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261867873838
2015-06-30T16:42:42 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=facebook
2015-06-30T16:42:49 < Laurenceb_> lol peak facefuck
2015-06-30T16:43:11 < tkoskine> NXP has lpc8xx (cortex-m0) in dip package.
2015-06-30T16:43:22 < dongs> finally
2015-06-30T16:45:43 < jadew> tkoskine, good to know, but you'd get more performance out of an AVR
2015-06-30T16:48:05 < jpa-> uh, how so?
2015-06-30T16:48:22 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_hip_hop
2015-06-30T16:48:25 < Laurenceb_> this exists
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2015-06-30T16:48:55 < jadew> because ARM takes a bazillion cycles/instruction
2015-06-30T16:49:18 < jpa-> it does?
2015-06-30T16:49:28 < Laurenceb_> wut
2015-06-30T16:49:42 < Laurenceb_> not sure if troll
2015-06-30T16:49:43 < jpa-> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0432c/CHDCICDF.html   most seem single-cycle to me
2015-06-30T16:50:18 < jpa-> ram access is somewhat slow apparently on M0
2015-06-30T16:50:28 < jadew> maybe after it's loaded, in my experience, it takes a lot for shit to run
2015-06-30T16:50:53 < jpa-> what does that mean?
2015-06-30T16:51:02 < jadew> here's the thing
2015-06-30T16:51:16 < jadew> if I say pinx = 1 pinx = 0
2015-06-30T16:51:37 < jadew> a 20 MHz AVR will do that faster than a 74 MHz ARM chip
2015-06-30T16:51:46 < jpa-> oh, so you can bitbang GPIO faster on AVR? ok
2015-06-30T16:51:59 < jpa-> that's not useful performance as far as i'm concerned
2015-06-30T16:52:18 < jadew> you're missing the point
2015-06-30T16:52:32 < jadew> there's nothing between those two instructions
2015-06-30T16:52:59 < Rickta59> cause it ain't doing anything
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2015-06-30T16:53:08 < Rickta59> add some code in there to actually do something then compare
2015-06-30T16:53:09 < jadew> I ran several tests and it seems ARM is using way more cycles than you'd expect
2015-06-30T16:53:10 < jpa-> jadew: well on ARM it has to wait for the peripheral
2015-06-30T16:53:34 < jpa-> and if the chip you are testing on puts the GPIO on a slow bus, it will matter
2015-06-30T16:53:55 < jpa-> on AVR with only one bus, everything is equally fast
2015-06-30T16:54:05 < jpa-> but that also limits max clocks and wastes power
2015-06-30T16:54:07 < Rickta59> i can turn on the MCO output and make my arm kick your avrs but
2015-06-30T16:54:14 < Rickta59> t
2015-06-30T16:54:25 < jadew> jpa-, that's the key point, power
2015-06-30T16:54:33 < Laurenceb_> ARM has DMA and decent interrupt handling
2015-06-30T16:54:40 < jpa-> it's a key point in some applications, not in all
2015-06-30T16:54:45 < Laurenceb_> sure the peripheral lag is a bit worse
2015-06-30T16:54:56 < jadew> Laurenceb_, the DMA is implemented by the chip manufacturers
2015-06-30T16:54:57 < Laurenceb_> but if you are bit banging, you are doing to wrong on ARM
2015-06-30T16:55:01 < jadew> AVRs have it too
2015-06-30T16:55:04 < jadew> and it's better implemented
2015-06-30T16:55:07 < jpa-> and i agree that sometimes bitbanging performance is important, but much more often not
2015-06-30T16:55:07 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-06-30T16:55:10 < jadew> than what STM porvides
2015-06-30T16:55:13 < jadew> which is complete garbage
2015-06-30T16:55:23 < Laurenceb_> what wrong with STM DMA?
2015-06-30T16:55:30 < jadew> Laurenceb_, it's stupid
2015-06-30T16:55:33 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-06-30T16:55:40 < Laurenceb_> ok
2015-06-30T16:55:44 < englishman> dongs
2015-06-30T16:55:44 < englishman> http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/woman-knocked-unconscious-by-falling-drone-during-seattles-pride-parade/
2015-06-30T16:55:48 < englishman> attack of the gay drones
2015-06-30T16:55:56 < jadew> you can't swap the buffer for example
2015-06-30T16:56:08 < jpa-> you can on F4
2015-06-30T16:56:09 < jadew> it provides double buffering, but it doesn't do it right
2015-06-30T16:56:15 < jadew> jpa-, no, you can't
2015-06-30T16:56:24 < jpa-> and on others, just allocate the two buffers next to each other, what's the trouble
2015-06-30T16:56:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2015-06-30T16:56:34 < jadew> it will swap it automatically - which is useless
2015-06-30T16:56:52 < Rickta59> so what are you doing with your chips that requires all this bit banging
2015-06-30T16:56:54 < Laurenceb_>   #avr is that way ->
2015-06-30T16:56:55 < jadew> but you can't swap it at will, you have to stop DMA first
2015-06-30T16:57:03 < jpa-> umm.. if you want to swap manually, disable DMA, change buffer, start DMA?
2015-06-30T16:57:06 < jpa-> what is the trouble with that?
2015-06-30T16:57:13 < jpa-> the slight gap?
2015-06-30T16:57:17 < jadew> jpa-, it defeats the purpose of double buffering?
2015-06-30T16:57:21 < Laurenceb_> wut
2015-06-30T16:57:36 < jpa-> jadew: hmm.. i usually just use it in ring buffer mode anyway
2015-06-30T16:57:41 < Laurenceb_> who cares about there the buffers physically are?
2015-06-30T16:57:46 < jpa-> jadew: what is the situation where you have multiple buffers scattered in ram?
2015-06-30T16:58:01 < jpa-> and want to switch randomly instead of at buffer boundary
2015-06-30T16:58:27 < jadew> for example when you're processing info as fast as you can
2015-06-30T16:58:32 < Rickta59> what info
2015-06-30T16:58:41 < jadew> you don't want to wait for the first buffer to be filled
2015-06-30T16:58:41 < jpa-> jadew: ring buffer should be the perfect solution for that
2015-06-30T16:58:49 < jadew> you want to switch to the other buffer
2015-06-30T16:58:54 < jadew> process the current buffer
2015-06-30T16:59:00 < jadew> then switch again, process the current buffer
2015-06-30T16:59:01 < jadew> etc
2015-06-30T16:59:01 < Laurenceb_> ur doing to wrong
2015-06-30T16:59:10 < Laurenceb_> you need to chase the DMA in that case
2015-06-30T16:59:17 < jpa-> jadew: with ring buffer, just read the position where the DMA is, and process up to that
2015-06-30T16:59:26 < Laurenceb_> I wrote a UBX gps parser that runs just like that
2015-06-30T16:59:35 < Laurenceb_> what jpa- said
2015-06-30T16:59:50 < jpa-> while (myprocesspos < BUFSIZE - DMA1_ChannelX->CNDTR) process(myprocesspos++);
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2015-06-30T17:00:08 < jadew> jpa-, that's troublesome too, because not everything can be processed as a ring buffer
2015-06-30T17:00:13 < jpa-> (well a bit more code to handle the wrap at the end)
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2015-06-30T17:00:14 < jadew> say if you send the buffer to another peripheral
2015-06-30T17:00:15 < Laurenceb_> theres GPS code on my github that does that
2015-06-30T17:00:40 < jpa-> jadew: ok, so you have invented some situation that is problematic
2015-06-30T17:00:45 < Rickta59> how does all this relate to the speed of how fast you can toggle a gpio pin?
2015-06-30T17:00:48 < jpa-> does not make STM32 dma stupid in the general case
2015-06-30T17:00:52 < jadew> I didn't invent it, I faced it
2015-06-30T17:01:03 < jpa-> btw, what was the real world situation?
2015-06-30T17:01:09 < jadew> it does, because it doesn't have true double buffering
2015-06-30T17:01:55 < jadew> jpa-, exactly, that I was piping data from one peripheral to another
2015-06-30T17:02:25 < jadew> and couldn't reach max throughoutput because the DMA controller couldn't do proper double buffering
2015-06-30T17:02:28 < jpa-> humm, why not dma directly between peripherals then?
2015-06-30T17:02:59 < jadew> not sure if it's possible and if it is, why I didn't do it
2015-06-30T17:03:01 < jadew> it's been a while
2015-06-30T17:03:23 < jpa-> depend on bus architecture on the chip, on stm32f4 it is possible with dma2
2015-06-30T17:03:46 < jpa-> but are you claiming you got higher throughput on avr than stm32 for the same application?
2015-06-30T17:04:15 < jadew> jpa-, no, because the STM was running on a much faster clock
2015-06-30T17:04:23 < jadew> but I got better performance per clock
2015-06-30T17:04:35 < jadew> ignoring the 32/8 bit difference
2015-06-30T17:04:52 < jpa-> ok
2015-06-30T17:05:31 < jpa-> lot of the stuff i do on stm32 would be crazy slow on avr, already because of being 8-bit limited
2015-06-30T17:05:45 < jadew> yeah, that's a big limitation
2015-06-30T17:05:57 < jpa-> and putting everything on one bus is part of the reason why avr clockspeeds are so slow
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2015-06-30T17:06:06 < Laurenceb_> the avr-gcc floating point is very impressive imo
2015-06-30T17:06:18 < jpa-> it is
2015-06-30T17:06:21 < Laurenceb_> but still lame compared to F1 and gcc
2015-06-30T17:06:29 < Laurenceb_> in clock counts
2015-06-30T17:06:38 < jpa-> cortex-m doubles are surprisingly slow, though
2015-06-30T17:06:43 < jpa-> (with gcc)
2015-06-30T17:06:44 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-06-30T17:07:00 < Laurenceb_> hmm i wonder how avr double compares lol
2015-06-30T17:07:07 < jpa-> avr double is float :)
2015-06-30T17:07:11 < jadew> possibly because of the lack of some instructions
2015-06-30T17:07:14 < Laurenceb_> lol yeah
2015-06-30T17:07:14 < jpa-> breaks some code pretty funny
2015-06-30T17:07:57 < Laurenceb_> https://code.google.com/p/libfixmath/wiki/Benchmarks
2015-06-30T17:08:04 < Laurenceb_> oh thats fixed
2015-06-30T17:08:06 < Laurenceb_> fail
2015-06-30T17:08:32 < jpa-> it has floats as comparison
2015-06-30T17:08:49 < jpa-> but i'm doubtful of my results there
2015-06-30T17:09:01 < jpa-> as the avr-gcc documentation claims that the floats on avr should be much faster
2015-06-30T17:09:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/benchmarks.html
2015-06-30T17:09:07 < Laurenceb_> not bad
2015-06-30T17:09:19 < Laurenceb_> __mulsf3 (1.234, 5.678) 	375 	138
2015-06-30T17:10:09 < jpa-> yeah, i couldn't reproduce those results
2015-06-30T17:10:52 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2015-06-30T17:11:18 < Laurenceb_> thought that sounded too good, M3 is less than twice as good as that in most cases
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2015-06-30T18:57:12 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c708Rinx6hE
2015-06-30T18:57:20 < Laurenceb_> should be saying "3d printing"
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2015-06-30T19:55:21 < scummos> if I have an interrupt triggered by a GPIO, and that interrupt is configured to have the highest priority available, there shouldn't be any jitter, right?
2015-06-30T19:58:00 < Laurenceb_> jitter?
2015-06-30T20:00:01 < scummos> as in, timing jitter
2015-06-30T20:00:23 < scummos> an instruction in the ISR would execute a fixed amount of time after the rising edge which triggered the interrupt
2015-06-30T20:01:14 < scummos> (assuming the ISR does the same thing every time)
2015-06-30T20:02:22 < Laurenceb_> oh
2015-06-30T20:02:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah it should be jitter free
2015-06-30T20:02:40 < scummos> ok, cool
2015-06-30T20:04:13  * scummos wants to calibrate the CPU's TCXO with a GPS 1pps
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2015-06-30T23:23:26 < karlp> emeb: re elint for drones, I saw some demo code for basically the war pineapple rig running on a linux board on a drone. was a quick first step of course,
2015-06-30T23:23:32 < karlp> but yeah, vs drone would be rad too :)
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2015-06-30T23:31:56 < karlp> pocket nc lists all specs in inches. gtfo
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2015-06-30T23:41:05 < Fleck> http://www.real-shit.com/#/home
2015-06-30T23:42:09 < karlp> scummos: there's some arm technical literature talking about interupt latency, at least in the jospeh yiu book, and I think in some arm docs too
2015-06-30T23:42:36 < scummos> karlp: so you think it's not so simple that it will take the same time to fire the interrupt in all CPU states?
2015-06-30T23:43:37 < karlp> _I_ don't care, I'm just saying that I remember reading some literature on this,
2015-06-30T23:43:46 < scummos> okay
2015-06-30T23:43:57 < karlp> iirc it was, "you don't care about jitter either, as long as it's fast enough, so stop getting upset that we have a pipeline you avr bit banging cunts"
2015-06-30T23:44:05 < scummos> hehe
2015-06-30T23:44:13 < scummos> it's true, if it jitters by 10ns I don't care
2015-06-30T23:44:24 < scummos> I can just measure it I guess *grin*
2015-06-30T23:44:29 < karlp> anyway, there's some literature on it.
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2015-06-30T23:58:10 < upgrdman_> reading some nxp datashet. wtf is an SSP?
2015-06-30T23:58:35 < upgrdman_> "...DMA controller, 4 UARTs, 2 CAN channels, 2 SSP
2015-06-30T23:58:35 < upgrdman_> controllers, SPI interface..."
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