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2015-10-01T00:12:03 < karlp> trap shooting for pross... http://imgur.com/gallery/rXb8LSd
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2015-10-01T02:15:09  * jadew just came from a few days of giving linux another try
2015-10-01T02:15:42  * jadew is silly like that and about once or twice a year does this little experiment
2015-10-01T02:16:43 < ds2> too much fur on the top?
2015-10-01T02:17:20 < jadew> what do you mean? I don't get the reference
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2015-10-01T02:17:43 < ds2> not bald yet? ;)
2015-10-01T02:17:49 < jadew> ah!
2015-10-01T02:17:52 < jadew> yeah, not yet
2015-10-01T02:18:09 < jadew> getting there tho, as I said, I'm doing this about twice a year, so...
2015-10-01T02:18:48 < jadew> anyway, no matter how much I try to get comfortable with it, it's like everything is opposing my will to get shit done
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2015-10-01T02:19:33 < jadew> even the freaking task bar
2015-10-01T02:19:38 < jadew> I had it on auto-hide
2015-10-01T02:19:50 < jadew> and also had the windows key to trigger the main menu
2015-10-01T02:20:25 < jadew> it was working, except the main menu started right from the bottom edge of the screen and task bar was showing up later, under it
2015-10-01T02:20:32 < jadew> [:facepalm:]
2015-10-01T02:20:43 < ds2> that is not Linux
2015-10-01T02:20:49 < ds2> Linux is just a kernel
2015-10-01T02:20:56 < jadew> oh no, that is linux
2015-10-01T02:21:16 < ds2> the userspace folks are insane hipsters.
2015-10-01T02:21:37 < ds2> they are out to gobble up resources as quickly as possible while making sure no one ever gets anything useful done.
2015-10-01T02:21:47 < jadew> they're retarded
2015-10-01T02:21:55 < jadew> I can't believe how stupid unity is, I tried that too
2015-10-01T02:22:01 < jadew> I wanted to give it a chance
2015-10-01T02:22:10 < jadew> it's so... counter productive
2015-10-01T02:22:26 < jadew> it's just insane how someone could think that that POS is a good idea
2015-10-01T02:22:50 < jadew> "wow we got a lot of momentum and we can make a difference, let's punish everyone!"
2015-10-01T02:22:51 < ds2> unity is not Linux
2015-10-01T02:22:57 < jadew> again, it is
2015-10-01T02:23:02 < jadew> it's its very essence
2015-10-01T02:23:02 < ds2> it along with systemd is the stupidest thing in the world
2015-10-01T02:23:21 < ds2> we clearly have different definitions
2015-10-01T02:23:32 < jadew> if you're arguing that it should have stayed purely text based, then yeah
2015-10-01T02:23:32 < ds2> cuz you can run that crap on *bsd
2015-10-01T02:23:38 < jadew> I could agree with that
2015-10-01T02:23:48 < zyp> what's wrong with systemd?
2015-10-01T02:23:49 < ds2> no, I am arguing that you can slap anything on there
2015-10-01T02:24:12 < ds2> what is right about systemd? ;)
2015-10-01T02:24:23 < emeb_mac> systemd is ok
2015-10-01T02:24:36 < zyp> that you don't have to write fucking bash scripts to start and stop processes?
2015-10-01T02:24:48 < ds2> systemd is there to make sure you waste time and resources
2015-10-01T02:24:56 < ds2> hmmm? you have to write systemd decriptions
2015-10-01T02:25:08 < ds2> longer and more irritating then simple scripts
2015-10-01T02:25:12 < emeb_mac> eh. it's not better or worse than all the cruft that came before - just different
2015-10-01T02:25:28 < jadew> see, that's another issue I keep encountering
2015-10-01T02:25:29 < zyp> longer? the ones I've seen is way shorter than a typical init script
2015-10-01T02:25:37 < emeb_mac> if you want to make a lean-mean system for embedded, you can
2015-10-01T02:25:40 < jadew> once in a while, something "different" comes along
2015-10-01T02:25:56 < jadew> when you just get used to the old thing, that they didn't even manage to get out of the beta properly
2015-10-01T02:26:12 < ds2> my typical init script is about 10 lines or less
2015-10-01T02:26:14 < jadew> a new thing comes up, that does the same thing, but differently and it's in alpha
2015-10-01T02:26:34 < ds2> whereas the systmed description files are screen full or more
2015-10-01T02:27:00 < emeb_mac> that's a situation where systemd is too much then
2015-10-01T02:27:03 < ds2> [ "$1" = "start" ] && run_it_now
2015-10-01T02:27:22 < ds2> [ "$1" = "stop" ] && killall run_it_now
2015-10-01T02:27:33 < emeb_mac> if all you need is 10 lines then you're running a very stripped system
2015-10-01T02:27:55 < ds2> 90% of the crap being started up is unneeded garbage
2015-10-01T02:27:57 < emeb_mac> and systemd provides services you will never use
2015-10-01T02:28:13 < ds2> they are there cuz all teh stupid libraries are linked to pull in the kitchen sink and more
2015-10-01T02:29:04 < ds2> but regardless, this is userland crap
2015-10-01T02:29:21 < emeb_mac> everything should be done in-kernel :)
2015-10-01T02:29:33 < ds2> there is a place for userland
2015-10-01T02:29:49 < ds2> a popular alt. non systemd current userland is Android
2015-10-01T02:30:03 < emeb_mac> quite
2015-10-01T02:30:46 < zyp> ds2, I haven't seen any of these pages long systemd service files you speak of, the ones I've seen only lists the process name, some metadata and maybe a couple flags and other options
2015-10-01T02:31:16 < zyp> which is way shorter than any proper init script that does status and restart
2015-10-01T02:32:04 < gxti> any idiot can write a sysv script that works once. making it reliable is an art.
2015-10-01T02:32:12 < gxti> i'd take the systemd version any day.
2015-10-01T02:33:38 < ds2> arrrrrgggggggg.... network Fed
2015-10-01T02:35:28 < emeb_mac> I had to make a systemd service to start the license manager on an old Modelsim. It took a bit of googling, but once I got the details right it was simpler than the init script I used to use.
2015-10-01T02:36:42 < zyp> I took a look at my server
2015-10-01T02:36:56 < zyp> here's the old ssh init script: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/YZVgS
2015-10-01T02:37:05 < zyp> here's the new ssh service definition: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/KU3Ll
2015-10-01T02:38:53 < zyp> even if you disregard the check stuff, the old init script is way longer and full of boilerplate
2015-10-01T02:39:04 < emeb_mac> yep - similar experience
2015-10-01T02:40:10 < zyp> and as far as I understand, systemd doesn't just fork off a process and hope for the best, they are actually monitored and can be restarted if they die
2015-10-01T02:41:14 < ds2> that is not a fair comparism
2015-10-01T02:41:28 < ds2> that script does a lot more
2015-10-01T02:42:04 < zyp> apart from the checks, what more does it do?
2015-10-01T02:42:45 < zyp> I think this is a pretty fair comparison, considering both of these files are what ships with debian
2015-10-01T02:42:51 < ds2> it tries to adapt to upstart for one
2015-10-01T02:44:04 < zyp> as far as I can see it just quits without doing anything if it detects upstart, not sure how that counts as adapting
2015-10-01T02:44:36 < ds2> some crap about /dev/null (wtf?)
2015-10-01T02:44:44 < ds2> it looks like it does a security audit that is not done by the systemd version
2015-10-01T02:44:53 < zyp> yep
2015-10-01T02:45:03 < zyp> but, 01:38:53 < zyp> even if you disregard the check stuff, the old init script is way longer and full of boilerplate
2015-10-01T02:45:29 < ds2> okay, wasn't lear what you meant by the 'check stuff'
2015-10-01T02:45:39 < ds2> i'd argue that is a poorly written script
2015-10-01T02:49:22 < zyp> okay, let's do another
2015-10-01T02:49:32 < zyp> here's smartd: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/eG9Zq vs http://paste.jvnv.net/view/fd1WE
2015-10-01T02:50:36 < englishman> Init.d is the best because it feels more lunixy. High repetition, completely unreadable code, and easily broken on version change of an external program
2015-10-01T02:51:00 < fenugrec> haha an initscripts argument ? nice !
2015-10-01T02:51:04 < dongs> lol, lunix discussion
2015-10-01T02:53:11 < zyp> ds2, so anyway, I've made my point, feel free to show me those screenfuls of systemd service files you were talking about
2015-10-01T02:54:25 < dongs> zyp likes systemd??
2015-10-01T02:55:39 < zyp> idk, haven't really used it much
2015-10-01T02:56:06 < zyp> seems way less fragile than bash scripts though
2015-10-01T02:57:43 < zyp> and the status view seems pretty useful, compared to whatever garbage those bash script tends to spit out
2015-10-01T02:58:22 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/u7tq4
2015-10-01T02:59:01 < zyp> actual detailed status and syslog excerpt in a consistent style for all services
2015-10-01T02:59:34 < zyp> I'm just finding it hard to understand why anybody would prefer bash scripts over this
2015-10-01T03:01:46 < ds2> AFAICT, they don't do the same thing
2015-10-01T03:02:02 < ds2> the init script lets you selectively enable SMART. sytemd version doesn't
2015-10-01T03:03:46 < zyp> ds2, which accounts for 12 out of 137 lines
2015-10-01T03:03:51 < zyp> what about the other 125 lines?
2015-10-01T03:05:08 < ds2> running() is a needless check
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2015-10-01T03:05:50 < ds2> same with running_pid()
2015-10-01T03:05:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPeZuRI62U8
2015-10-01T03:05:54 < Laurenceb__> worlds weirdest mix of products
2015-10-01T03:05:55 < Laurenceb__> http://www.cosycave.co.uk/index.php
2015-10-01T03:05:56 < dongs> zano EXTREME mode wat
2015-10-01T03:06:17 < Laurenceb__> EXTREME mode: it shitposts on /pol/
2015-10-01T03:06:37 < ds2> if you strip out the needless checks...
2015-10-01T03:08:55 < karlp> hehe, ds2 thinks init scripts are "simple"
2015-10-01T03:09:17 < zyp> ds2 thinks it's a good idea to use killall to stop a service
2015-10-01T03:16:49 < Laurenceb__> ok so I'm designing a product with copper foil antenna built into a case
2015-10-01T03:17:10 < zyp> copper fail antenna
2015-10-01T03:17:44 < Laurenceb__> exactly
2015-10-01T03:17:51 < Laurenceb__> I'm worried it will corrode
2015-10-01T03:18:02 < Laurenceb__> http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en?keywords=1003-1010-2-ND
2015-10-01T03:18:47 < Laurenceb__> going to use one of those on the PCB
2015-10-01T03:19:07 < Laurenceb__> dunno if theres something better I could use
2015-10-01T03:19:15 < Laurenceb__> like gold foil lol
2015-10-01T03:20:38 < ds2> if killall is bad for the daemon, I consider it to be poorly written
2015-10-01T03:21:05 < Laurenceb__> aiui this assembly technique is used in phones etc, but they use gold plating?
2015-10-01T03:24:31 < Laurenceb__> maybe tin plated?
2015-10-01T03:24:33 < Laurenceb__> anyways
2015-10-01T03:24:35  * Laurenceb__ zzz
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2015-10-01T03:31:05 < dongs> looks good
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2015-10-01T03:31:18 < ds2> gold foil antennas
2015-10-01T03:31:21 < dongs> the shit he linked is gold plated
2015-10-01T03:31:28 < dongs> but probly not his antenna
2015-10-01T03:31:28 < dongs> heh
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2015-10-01T04:00:50 < zyp> ds2, uh, I'm not suggesting killall is bad for the daemon
2015-10-01T04:01:05 < ds2> please clarify
2015-10-01T04:01:16 < zyp> but I think killall is a pretty silly way of killing one specific server process
2015-10-01T04:01:39 < ds2> fine. kill -INT `cat /var/run/dummy.pid`
2015-10-01T04:02:01 < zyp> that's better
2015-10-01T04:02:12 < zyp> though, now you've got a pidfile to manage
2015-10-01T04:03:24 < ds2> it is hella lighterweight then systemd
2015-10-01T04:04:16 < zyp> of course, it's less functional
2015-10-01T04:04:57 < ds2> I neither care for or want that extra overhead
2015-10-01T04:05:53 < ds2> I am very happy with the old old style BSD 4.2ish startup scripts
2015-10-01T04:06:19 < ds2> systemd, sysv init, etc just adds one more layer to search for stuff
2015-10-01T04:06:29 < ds2> (yes, I do move a lot between systems/distros)
2015-10-01T04:07:16 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2015-10-01T04:07:25 < dongs> i moved from windows 7 to windows 8 and it was wonderful
2015-10-01T04:08:08 < zyp> from what I'm hearing systemd is actually providing a more consistent environment across distros, compared to all the different flavors of init scripts they had before
2015-10-01T04:08:40 < zyp> but idk
2015-10-01T04:08:54 < zyp> I haven't touched anything but debian for a long time now
2015-10-01T04:09:14 < ds2> nope, I can say that isn't the case - debian vs Angstrom is different (different paths)
2015-10-01T04:09:29 < ds2> but I don't just work with Linux
2015-10-01T04:11:17 < zyp> you're one of the weirdos actually using bsd? :p
2015-10-01T04:12:03 < ds2> BSD, old sun crap, everything
2015-10-01T04:12:12 < zyp> haha
2015-10-01T04:12:49 < ds2> BSD isn't half bad... not saying it is half good either ;)
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2015-10-01T04:13:52 < zyp> idk about the bsd kernel, but the bsd userland seems pretty… dated
2015-10-01T04:14:08 < ds2> I call it less bloated
2015-10-01T04:14:37 < zyp> might be, shame it's less functional as well
2015-10-01T04:15:45 < ds2> what are you finding missing?
2015-10-01T04:17:17 < zyp> the package management stuff doesn't seem very convenient
2015-10-01T04:18:10 < zyp> maybe debian/kfreebsd would be okay, I haven't tested that
2015-10-01T04:18:18 < ds2> hehe... there are huge craters from head banging and package management on Linux
2015-10-01T04:18:34 < ds2> short summary - it doesn't work.
2015-10-01T04:18:44 < zyp> I find apt to work pretty well
2015-10-01T04:19:00 < ds2> subject to the other end yanking out support and leaving you high and dry
2015-10-01T04:19:22 < zyp> idk
2015-10-01T04:19:53 < zyp> I haven't had any problems with my home server running debian
2015-10-01T04:20:05 < zyp> even the transition from debian 7 to 8 went pretty seamless
2015-10-01T04:20:24 < ds2> thanks to the jackasses at Ubuntu, I now have a machine that I might as well have to recompile from scratch to get anything on there
2015-10-01T04:20:28 < zyp> even though it transitioned to systemd in the process
2015-10-01T04:20:39 < zyp> well, yeah
2015-10-01T04:20:43 < ds2> installing ubuntu was one of the biggest mistakes ever
2015-10-01T04:21:08 < dongs> < ds2> installing lunix was one of the biggest mistakes ever
2015-10-01T04:21:09 < zyp> my impression of ubuntu is that it's kinda similar to debian, except run by idiots
2015-10-01T04:21:10 < dongs> ftfy
2015-10-01T04:21:27 < ds2> all this packaging just adds fluff
2015-10-01T04:21:53 < zyp> yeah, fuck that, let's just all run slackware
2015-10-01T04:21:54 < zyp> right?
2015-10-01T04:22:15 < zyp> (fuck slackware)
2015-10-01T04:22:20 < ds2> the slackware machine is the least painful machine I have
2015-10-01T04:22:25 < ds2> things just work.
2015-10-01T04:22:33 < zyp> until they break
2015-10-01T04:22:55 < ds2> it doesn't break in a way that leaves me completely hosed
2015-10-01T04:23:01 < zyp> idk, I haven't tried running slackware in a serious manner
2015-10-01T04:23:20 < zyp> it just doesn't seem usable in a serious manner
2015-10-01T04:23:26 < zyp> cute toy though
2015-10-01T04:23:50 < ds2> if I need something, I can just build it on there
2015-10-01T04:24:05 < ds2> none of this patched and mismatched trash that Ubuntu pushes
2015-10-01T04:24:45 < zyp> and when you need to upgrade it?
2015-10-01T04:25:08 < ds2> hmm??
2015-10-01T04:25:26 < ds2> "it"?
2015-10-01T04:25:32 < zyp> something
2015-10-01T04:25:34 < zyp> anything
2015-10-01T04:25:40 < ds2> make install
2015-10-01T04:25:47 < zyp> cool
2015-10-01T04:25:55 < ds2> been doing that for probally 10+ years
2015-10-01T04:26:04 < ds2> it is the ubuntu stuff that gies headaches
2015-10-01T04:26:20 < zyp> sure
2015-10-01T04:26:59 < zyp> but ubuntu guys not knowing what they're doing doesn't make slackware a good choice
2015-10-01T04:27:17 < ds2> the old redhat/fedora stuff isn't that much better
2015-10-01T04:27:33 < zyp> idk, I haven't touched that since forever
2015-10-01T04:27:52 < zyp> last time I used redhat, it didn't even have the capability to download packages and deps automatically
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2015-10-01T04:27:54 < ds2> problem is you cannot get everything in a package so if you install something that is not, half the time the packaging system gets confused and you're screwed  from then on
2015-10-01T04:28:16 < zyp> idk
2015-10-01T04:29:10 < zyp> I'm pretty happy with the fact that my debian server went from sysv init to systemd in a seamless manner when I upgraded to debian 8, I believe that means the debian guys knows what they are doing
2015-10-01T04:29:31 < dongs> and here lies the biggest problem of lunix
2015-10-01T04:29:39 < dongs> poeple just can't stop writing shitty software that runs standalone
2015-10-01T04:29:46 < ds2> you must only run SW that comes from their repo
2015-10-01T04:29:51 < dongs> shittytrashappX will need somedumblibY that NOTHING else will use
2015-10-01T04:29:55 < dongs> but it will be installed systemwide
2015-10-01T04:29:58 < dongs> fuck  that noise.
2015-10-01T04:30:33 < zyp> ds2, pretty much, yeah
2015-10-01T04:31:27 < zyp> actually, I'm running a third party repo as well, for zfs
2015-10-01T04:31:38 < zyp> I mean, using
2015-10-01T04:32:04 < ds2> i run a lot of sw that is not packaged... that's probally why it fails for me but works for you
2015-10-01T04:32:39 < zyp> well, duh, the whole point of a package system is to use packaged software
2015-10-01T04:34:43 < zyp> dongs, that's actually something the nodejs guys seems to have gotten right
2015-10-01T04:35:22 < zyp> this npm stuff has the option to maintain a local set of deps for each project you've got
2015-10-01T04:35:29 < ds2> but not everything is in there
2015-10-01T04:35:40 < ds2> nor is it configured for wha I need them to be
2015-10-01T04:36:03 < zyp> the OS X stuff on packing apps is also cool
2015-10-01T04:36:25 < zyp> everything, including weird libs and resources and whatnot is bundled up into a single .app
2015-10-01T04:36:33 < ds2> take the openocd  versioning crap
2015-10-01T04:36:49 < ds2> chances are- what is in the packages is too old to support anything useful
2015-10-01T04:37:53 < zyp> haha
2015-10-01T04:38:18 < zyp> last time I tried building openocd by hand, that weren't exactly fun either :p
2015-10-01T04:38:29 < ds2> it wasn't bad
2015-10-01T04:38:34 < ds2> configure and make, IIRC
2015-10-01T04:39:51 < zyp> idk, I recall it bundled some deps that wouldn't build properly
2015-10-01T04:39:59 < zyp> but this were on OS X, not linux
2015-10-01T04:40:40 < ds2> maybe it was the ftdi stuff
2015-10-01T04:41:53 < zyp> no, I think it was the tcl runtime
2015-10-01T04:42:20 < zyp> but this were quite a while ago, so I don't remember the specifics
2015-10-01T04:42:29 < ds2> 'k
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2015-10-01T05:00:01 < gxti> so i haven't done any stm32 stuff in approximately 10 years, and i need something with usb and i2s. what's the latest hotness?
2015-10-01T05:03:59 < dongs> pretty much anything, no?
2015-10-01T05:04:05 < dongs> even F103 has those 2 things.
2015-10-01T05:04:28 < dongs> or you can go for the crystal-less USB stuff
2015-10-01T05:04:30 < dongs> F050 or whatever
2015-10-01T05:04:36 < dongs> if you care to save that $0.50
2015-10-01T05:04:55 < gxti> nah i need the audio clock to be accurate
2015-10-01T05:05:11 < dongs> well then.
2015-10-01T05:05:22 < dongs> butyeah I2S is standard on anythign with SPI i think
2015-10-01T05:06:24 < gxti> done any usb audio stuff before?
2015-10-01T05:06:39 < dongs> emeb has im sure. I think I built a sample one once and tried it otu
2015-10-01T05:06:43 < dongs> usb audio class thing
2015-10-01T05:12:21 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GNivd9lUU german zano unboxing
2015-10-01T05:15:18 < ReadError> erm
2015-10-01T05:15:22 < ReadError> theres no hammer though?
2015-10-01T05:16:18 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-01T05:16:36 < dongs> i wish i knew some people in the media
2015-10-01T05:16:41 < dongs> to ask for a 'review' version
2015-10-01T05:16:45 < dongs> from someplace big
2015-10-01T05:16:49 < dongs> then unbox that shit.
2015-10-01T05:17:07 < ReadError> astra?
2015-10-01T05:17:16 < dongs> astra?
2015-10-01T05:17:17 < ReadError> you are their drone expert afterall
2015-10-01T05:17:42 < ReadError> fuck w/e that site that interviewed u is
2015-10-01T05:17:55 < ReadError> http://arstechnica.com/
2015-10-01T05:20:28 < dongs> ah, asstechnica
2015-10-01T05:20:35 < dongs> i dont think he understands trolling.
2015-10-01T05:21:07 < ReadError> all the more leverage you have then
2015-10-01T05:21:18 < ReadError> 'follow up, kickstarter or kickscam'
2015-10-01T05:22:43 < dongs> haw hwa
2015-10-01T05:22:55 < dongs> freakware.de removed nazecloenz after i emailed htem
2015-10-01T05:22:56 < dongs> nice
2015-10-01T05:23:06 < dongs> i didnt even ask to remove, i said just get rid of anythign t hat says naze32
2015-10-01T05:23:20 < dongs> change to freakshare fc or whatever the f uck
2015-10-01T05:23:28 < dongs> probly german misunderstanding
2015-10-01T05:26:31 < upgrdman> someone clones your naze32?
2015-10-01T05:26:45 < upgrdman> how much do you charge for it?
2015-10-01T05:35:00 < dongs> nah its chink 1:1 PCB copies that some white guy in taiwan paid to make
2015-10-01T05:35:10 < dongs> i duno like 20 bucks or somethign
2015-10-01T05:55:19 < upgrdman> dongs, https://i.imgur.com/qTMNvYv.gifv
2015-10-01T06:00:47 < ReadError> lesigh
2015-10-01T06:01:01 < ReadError> dirtypcb/rapidprototype gerber upload is broke ;(
2015-10-01T06:01:15 < ReadError> and all of china is on vacation I guess now too..
2015-10-01T06:01:41 < dongs> yeah i bet its broke cuz china is closed.
2015-10-01T06:01:42 < dongs> lols.
2015-10-01T06:02:26 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/93FXntS.png
2015-10-01T06:02:31 < ReadError> you think china would do that
2015-10-01T06:02:37 < ReadError> for via castellation
2015-10-01T06:02:48 < dongs> inner cutout like that?
2015-10-01T06:02:50 < ReadError> then put in some drills for the left/right frame to remove
2015-10-01T06:02:51 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-01T06:02:58 < dongs> that drawing is beyond retarded
2015-10-01T06:03:22 < ReadError> thats not the drawing i would give a fab place
2015-10-01T06:03:25 < dongs> if I was chinaman i'd just take a dremel through teh green and red line
2015-10-01T06:03:35 < ReadError> i was just showing some guy in osh
2015-10-01T06:03:48 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/slHaexr.png
2015-10-01T06:03:51 < ReadError> thats the board outline
2015-10-01T06:03:52 < dongs> anyway, why would you watn a slot like that
2015-10-01T06:04:06 < dongs> they can probly do it if its entirely open
2015-10-01T06:04:07 < ReadError> because I dont want the fab puttings tabs on my vias
2015-10-01T06:04:08 < dongs> like H-shape
2015-10-01T06:04:19 < ReadError> if they are dumb and its automated
2015-10-01T06:04:33 < dongs> also arent you tired of cloning shitty max / atmega designs
2015-10-01T06:04:35 < dongs> jesus fuck
2015-10-01T06:04:42 < upgrdman> ReadError, iirc dirty pcbs doesn't do inner routing
2015-10-01T06:04:45 < dongs> innovate something that isnt retarded
2015-10-01T06:04:56 < upgrdman> e.g. they route one continuous shape per board.
2015-10-01T06:04:57 < ReadError> dongs why, it works perfectly fine for what I need
2015-10-01T06:05:06 < ReadError> upgrdman hm really?
2015-10-01T06:05:11 < upgrdman> i think so
2015-10-01T06:05:13 < ReadError> well thats dumb
2015-10-01T06:05:15 < upgrdman> at least for 2L service
2015-10-01T06:06:04 < upgrdman> ah yes:
2015-10-01T06:06:06 < upgrdman> "Separate, non-connected boards will be refused by the board house!"
2015-10-01T06:06:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/33UzNPQ.png they would probably do it if your outline was this
2015-10-01T06:06:25 < upgrdman> not sure how they define the islands you want cut out
2015-10-01T06:06:43 < upgrdman> im guessing they will bitch or deny.
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2015-10-01T06:06:54 < ReadError> dongs ya i boxed it in because osh randomly puts tabs on things
2015-10-01T06:07:21 < ReadError> and if they tabbed it on the left or right middle i would have a bad time
2015-10-01T06:07:37 < dongs> er?
2015-10-01T06:08:05 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-Tf8tpxM/0/X3/CA_07161501523279-X3.jpg
2015-10-01T06:08:15 < ReadError> see how they do 4 sides
2015-10-01T06:08:33 < dongs> yeah but obviosuly if theres a fucking cutout there with vias they arent gonna tab it
2015-10-01T06:10:43 < ReadError> yea was mostly trying to idiot proof it, im paying for that area anyways
2015-10-01T06:12:59 < upgrdman> wtf is up with the middle board? did the fab fuck up on routing and not cut deep enough?
2015-10-01T06:13:08 < ReadError> hah ya
2015-10-01T06:13:18 < ReadError> thats emeb_mac's board I ordered
2015-10-01T06:13:50 < dongs> fucking awful
2015-10-01T06:13:53 < emeb_mac> heh - cool
2015-10-01T06:14:12 < ReadError> I should just start using shitty huge vias if i was smart ;(
2015-10-01T06:15:00 < ReadError> using the osh 4l specs pretty much makes it hard to chinafab
2015-10-01T06:20:25 < dongs> you only want to pay $10 so
2015-10-01T06:20:29 < dongs> what do you expect
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2015-10-01T06:20:32 < dongs> cheap fucking cunt
2015-10-01T06:20:36 < ReadError> huh no
2015-10-01T06:20:40 < ReadError> im willing to pay
2015-10-01T06:21:00 < ReadError> I just dont want to spin 100 boards on something for the first try
2015-10-01T06:21:27 < dongs> any chinafab > $10 will do 0.3/0.5 vias and 5/5 trace/space
2015-10-01T06:21:47 < dongs> can oshfuck not do this or wat?
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2015-10-01T06:22:40 < ReadError> osh is 10/18 and 5/5
2015-10-01T06:22:48 < ReadError> its the drills that get me with china
2015-10-01T06:23:19 < dongs> just switch to 0.3/0.5 and done
2015-10-01T06:23:41 < ReadError> hmm ya thats 12mil or so
2015-10-01T06:23:55 < ReadError> 12/20
2015-10-01T06:24:27 < ReadError> http://smart-prototyping.com/image/data/1_services/1_electrical/100201_PCB_Definition.jpg
2015-10-01T06:24:38 < ReadError> these guys want 12/24
2015-10-01T06:24:46 < dongs> 0.3/05 dude.
2015-10-01T06:24:47 < upgrdman> im not sure how i feel about google's new Pixel C. keyboard seems dumb, but as a tablet, it doesn't quite seem worth the price
2015-10-01T06:24:49 < dongs> stop fucking with mils
2015-10-01T06:24:58 < dongs> upgrdman: pics/links
2015-10-01T06:25:15 < upgrdman> http://pixel.google.com/
2015-10-01T06:25:16 < upgrdman> and
2015-10-01T06:25:29 < upgrdman> http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/29/google-pixel-c-hands-on/
2015-10-01T06:26:04 < dongs> does it run windows 10
2015-10-01T06:26:25 < dongs> howcases Android's new Marshmallow operating system.
2015-10-01T06:26:28 < dongs> oh god fuck right off
2015-10-01T06:26:35 < dongs> assdroid on desktop = get fucked
2015-10-01T06:26:53 < dongs> $499? hahahaha
2015-10-01T06:27:07 < dongs> sorry googgle, but no
2015-10-01T06:27:20 < dongs> surface 3 is same price
2015-10-01T06:27:22 < dongs> and runs a real OS
2015-10-01T06:28:58 < dongs> Surface 3 - 64GB
2015-10-01T06:28:59 < dongs> .....
2015-10-01T06:28:59 < dongs> ..... 4.4 out of 5 stars. Read reviews.  (160) Read reviews
2015-10-01T06:28:59 < dongs> $499.00
2015-10-01T06:29:07 < dongs> google is dumb.
2015-10-01T06:29:39 < upgrdman> ya seems way overprice for a 10.x" tablet
2015-10-01T06:29:58 < upgrdman> iirc a surface pro 4 is expected sometime this month
2015-10-01T06:30:03 < upgrdman> err october
2015-10-01T06:30:57 < dongs> apparently oct 6
2015-10-01T06:30:58 < dongs> nice
2015-10-01T06:31:12 < dongs> i really like bro3
2015-10-01T06:31:31 < dongs> haha google keyboard is $150 extra
2015-10-01T06:31:36 < dongs> on top of $499
2015-10-01T06:31:41 < dongs> they can't be serious
2015-10-01T06:31:52 < dongs> surface keyboard is wat liek 50 bux?
2015-10-01T06:32:20 < dongs> oh hm
2015-10-01T06:32:21 < dongs> $130
2015-10-01T06:32:25 < dongs> better but not by much
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2015-10-01T07:19:17 < FAalbers> Hello
2015-10-01T07:20:07 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-01T07:20:30 < FAalbers> Anyone else here feeling HAL is VERY convoluted ?
2015-10-01T07:21:31 < FAalbers> dongs, Like using HAL_TIM_Base_MspInit to setup timers
2015-10-01T07:21:41 < dongs> hal is aids i dont use it
2015-10-01T07:22:00 < FAalbers> That's what I heard from others
2015-10-01T07:22:31 < FAalbers> And it's a wrapper it seems . looks like it finally still uses the olf commands
2015-10-01T07:22:39 < FAalbers> old
2015-10-01T07:23:33 < FAalbers> I wonder if it's being accepted as the official next step. You obviously don't
2015-10-01T07:23:45 < jpa-> isn't it a wrapper of a wrapper?
2015-10-01T07:23:54 < jpa-> because the old functions are useless wrappers also :)
2015-10-01T07:24:18 < FAalbers> jpa-, I guess you use assembler ! :)
2015-10-01T07:24:20 < jpa-> when you wrap the I2C inside many enough layers, maybe at some point finally the software is more buggy than the hardware :)
2015-10-01T07:24:28 < dongs> laff
2015-10-01T07:24:38 < jpa-> FAalbers: nah, i use the perfectly fine hardware registers from C or C++
2015-10-01T07:24:44 < jpa-> (though really, i use chibios :)
2015-10-01T07:25:26 < FAalbers> I heard someone else mention chibios , haven't even checked it out waht it exactly is .
2015-10-01T07:25:46 < jpa-> though i should probably try out mbed at some point - it looks only mildly aids
2015-10-01T07:26:12 < jpa-> and seems to be gaining a lot of traction also on business side of things
2015-10-01T07:26:25 < ReadError> the online aspect is kind of a boner killer
2015-10-01T07:26:35 < jpa-> ReadError: you can use it locally just fine
2015-10-01T07:26:35 < ReadError> or do they have an offline compiler?
2015-10-01T07:26:37 < dongs> you can compile mbed shit offline with keil
2015-10-01T07:26:44 < jpa-> yeah, it's just arm-gcc-embedded
2015-10-01T07:26:53 < dongs> lol?
2015-10-01T07:26:54 < jpa-> or yeah, actually multi-platform i think
2015-10-01T07:27:01 < dongs> jpa, I thought they used armcc
2015-10-01T07:27:04 < dongs> even for online stuff
2015-10-01T07:27:10 < dongs> did they switch to aidscc now?
2015-10-01T07:27:19 < jpa-> hm, i wonder what the online thing uses
2015-10-01T07:27:33 < dongs> pretty sure last i cared (which was years ago) it was armcc
2015-10-01T07:27:36 < dongs> and libs were closed
2015-10-01T07:27:38 < ReadError> https://developer.mbed.org/handbook/Exporting-to-GCC-ARM-Embedded
2015-10-01T07:27:45 < ReadError> seems it can export to gcc
2015-10-01T07:28:02 < jpa-> export has options for: Keil, DS-5, LPCXpresso, GCC (Code Sourcery), GCC (ARM Embedded), IAR, CooCox, Kinetis, Simplicity, Emblocks
2015-10-01T07:28:28 < jpa-> dongs: hm, atleast in past the libs have been open
2015-10-01T07:28:34 < jpa-> that would be a killer if they've closed them
2015-10-01T07:28:42 < dongs> jpa, they were closed long tiem ago.
2015-10-01T07:30:33 < dongs> https://developer.mbed.org/handbook/Exporting-to-uVision
2015-10-01T07:30:37 < dongs> the're open now
2015-10-01T07:30:43 < jpa-> looks like online compiler is armcc
2015-10-01T07:30:58 < jpa-> which kind of makes sense, mbed being now owned by arm etc
2015-10-01T07:31:09 < dongs> its always been armcc
2015-10-01T07:31:26 < FAalbers> what makes embed easier ? better ?
2015-10-01T07:31:28 < dongs> which was one of hte reasons long time ago it was online-only
2015-10-01T07:31:45 < FAalbers> mbed I mean
2015-10-01T07:31:59 < jpa-> FAalbers: better and easier than what?
2015-10-01T07:32:06 < FAalbers> or chibios
2015-10-01T07:32:24 < jpa-> anything is better than cube hal, but that is just because cube hal is such total crap
2015-10-01T07:32:38 < FAalbers> jpa-, You called it  mildly aids :)
2015-10-01T07:32:54 < FAalbers> I see
2015-10-01T07:33:07 < jpa-> i called mbed mildly aids, yeah, because it reeks of tarduino
2015-10-01T07:33:29 < FAalbers> heh
2015-10-01T07:33:49 < FAalbers> So , what about chibios
2015-10-01T07:34:02 < jpa-> but the mbed os does not seem too bad, and they have nice easy to get started with environment with amazingly advanced stuff such as printf() working out of the box
2015-10-01T07:34:37 < FAalbers> printf() redirected to use USART ?
2015-10-01T07:34:48 < jpa-> or arbitrary streams, it seems
2015-10-01T07:35:35 < FAalbers> I'll have a look at it ...
2015-10-01T07:35:46 < FAalbers> Thanks for all the info everyone !
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2015-10-01T07:51:30 < ReadError> FAalbers mildly aids around here is an 'okay' thing
2015-10-01T07:51:53 < ReadError> on the dongs scale thats atleast a 6 or 7 out of 10
2015-10-01T07:53:59 < jpa-> yeah, the scale goes from total aids to just crap
2015-10-01T07:54:39 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/649447171633233924 lolllll
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2015-10-01T15:18:53 < ReadError> dongs know any non china shitty fab that can spin boards quick?
2015-10-01T15:19:20 < ReadError> since hoeliday
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2015-10-01T15:30:39 < karlp> ReadError: wat? this is a wallet question.
2015-10-01T15:31:05 < ReadError> not 400$ a board domestic
2015-10-01T15:31:22 < karlp> well, how badly do you want them then? :)
2015-10-01T15:32:59 < dongs> ReadError: you can pay me 400$ and you;'ll have a board tomorrow
2015-10-01T15:33:12 < dongs> 200 for 48hours.
2015-10-01T15:33:18 < ReadError> for 1 ?
2015-10-01T15:33:21 < dongs> like 5
2015-10-01T15:33:22 < dongs> -ish
2015-10-01T15:33:27 < ReadError> karlp depends whos paying ;)
2015-10-01T15:33:30 < dongs> you can even array.
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2015-10-01T15:34:17 < dongs> man i almost bricked my mobius
2015-10-01T15:34:25 < dongs> i found this china FPC extension cable they sent me
2015-10-01T15:34:37 < dongs> that takes the lens+camera assembly outside the case
2015-10-01T15:34:57 < dongs> was upgrading firmware and forgot hte shitty usb plug i was using would disconnect 5V if I touched it wrong way
2015-10-01T15:35:20 < dongs> luckily it cutout while firmware tool was copying .bin to sd card through usb
2015-10-01T15:35:28 < dongs> and not during actual updatre
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2015-10-01T15:42:10 < Laurenceb__> are there any >200fps "action" cameras that dont suck?
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2015-10-01T16:19:37 < dongs> Hi Ivan ,
2015-10-01T16:19:38 < dongs> I'm interested on this question posted before:
2015-10-01T16:19:38 < dongs> "WHEN whole ZANO is working? e.q. "Follow me", "circle-around me"-Modes and whole GPS functions like "come back to home position" "
2015-10-01T16:19:41 < dongs> The main reason because I bought zano is to use it with my motorbike doing that functions.
2015-10-01T16:20:13 < dongs> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/zano-highly-anticipated-selfie-drone-released-even-though-promised-features-not-ready-1517302
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2015-10-01T16:24:05 < dongs> http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/file/20/torquing-group-rebuttal-bbc-article.pdf
2015-10-01T16:24:06 < dongs> haha
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2015-10-01T16:29:31 < GargantuaSauce> just keep digging
2015-10-01T16:29:35 < dongs> http://turingbirds.com/temp/iros2015_protest.jpeg
2015-10-01T16:33:05 < Sync> > 720 10 footage
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2015-10-01T16:33:36 < dongs> yaman
2015-10-01T16:36:00 < Sync> I wonder why they did not advertise 4k 120fps
2015-10-01T16:38:13 < dongs> oh they did.
2015-10-01T16:38:44 < Sync> zano?
2015-10-01T16:38:51 < dongs> yea.
2015-10-01T16:38:55 < dongs> downloading no.pdf to confirm
2015-10-01T16:39:25 < dongs> One thing
2015-10-01T16:39:25 < dongs> often forgotten is that video formats are all lossy, in that they remove colour definition
2015-10-01T16:39:28 < dongs> and pixel count. So a 4k compressed video stream will not actually contain the same
2015-10-01T16:39:31 < dongs> level of information as raw frames from a 1080p video stream. It is like JPG, they are
2015-10-01T16:39:35 < dongs> very lossy but they compress in a way that the human eye doesn't notice the loss of
2015-10-01T16:39:38 < dongs> real definition a great deal.
2015-10-01T16:40:07 < dongs> Regarding the camera, the main
2015-10-01T16:40:07 < dongs> issue regarding pushing the resolution to 4k is simply digital bandwidth. We have a
2015-10-01T16:40:10 < dongs> brand new processor on board Zano, one that wasn't commercially available when we
2015-10-01T16:40:14 < dongs> did the Zano designs and though it is very powerful, 4k video at 30fps would use huge
2015-10-01T16:40:17 < dongs> digital bandwidth. Now I love a challenge!!
2015-10-01T16:40:31 < dongs> So leave that one with me and I'll see if it is
2015-10-01T16:40:31 < dongs> an addon
2015-10-01T16:40:31 < dongs> we can offer in the future, simply be a matter of swapping out the camera if
2015-10-01T16:40:31 < dongs> we can handle the bandwidth. Stay tuned in 2015!
2015-10-01T16:40:35 < dongs> lolzzz
2015-10-01T16:40:56 < dongs> The display is such a nice piece to work with. You can upload 250 icons into the onboard memory of the display and over 50,000 an be loaded into the main processor.
2015-10-01T16:40:59 < dongs> hmm really
2015-10-01T16:41:07 < dongs> i dont remember that TLC having grayscale ram buffer
2015-10-01T16:41:14 < Laurenceb__> iros protest lol
2015-10-01T16:41:38 < Laurenceb__> ok camera gurus
2015-10-01T16:41:49 < Laurenceb__> how do i do ~VGA at >200fps  ?
2015-10-01T16:42:03 < Laurenceb__> atm I'm using gopro 3 but it sucks
2015-10-01T16:42:06 < Sync> ptgrey grasshopper 3
2015-10-01T16:42:08 < Laurenceb__> prob cuz lunix
2015-10-01T16:42:11 < Sync> usb3 vision shits
2015-10-01T16:42:11 < Laurenceb__> googling
2015-10-01T16:42:12 < dongs> Laurenceb__: start kickstarter
2015-10-01T16:42:27 < Sync> works with openCV aids
2015-10-01T16:42:36 < Laurenceb__> nice
2015-10-01T16:42:48 < dongs> whats the price lol
2015-10-01T16:42:50 < Laurenceb__> but i need something with built in recording
2015-10-01T16:42:54 < Laurenceb__> who cares :P
2015-10-01T16:42:59 < Laurenceb__> work project
2015-10-01T16:43:13 < Laurenceb__> only 162fps :-/
2015-10-01T16:43:15 < Sync> well, no built in recording in those
2015-10-01T16:43:20 < Sync> at max res Laurenceb__
2015-10-01T16:43:24 < Laurenceb__> oh
2015-10-01T16:43:27 < Laurenceb__> nicceeeeee
2015-10-01T16:43:30 < Sync> if you use a section it goes up obv
2015-10-01T16:43:41 < dongs> http://www.ptgrey.com/support/downloads/10304
2015-10-01T16:43:42 < Laurenceb__> can it do pixel binning?
2015-10-01T16:43:56 < dongs> even $5 chinacams can
2015-10-01T16:44:49 < Laurenceb__> wonder what embedded board i could use for capture
2015-10-01T16:45:26 < dongs> k so based on that comment, zano used TLC5958 not 5954
2015-10-01T16:45:34 < dongs> since 5958 has some memory
2015-10-01T16:45:58 < Sync> Laurenceb__: it has to be able to cope with the bandwidth
2015-10-01T16:46:02 < Sync> which is an issue
2015-10-01T16:46:04 < Laurenceb__> yeah i see
2015-10-01T16:46:12 < Laurenceb__> is it usb3?
2015-10-01T16:46:18 < Sync> yes
2015-10-01T16:46:23 < dongs> duh its usb 3
2015-10-01T16:46:28 < Laurenceb__> doh 1st page
2015-10-01T16:46:29 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-10-01T16:46:36 < Sync> I even said it
2015-10-01T16:46:55 < Laurenceb__> that could be tricky
2015-10-01T16:47:45 < dongs> do tehy evne have a lunix sdk
2015-10-01T16:47:50 < Sync> no
2015-10-01T16:47:53 < Sync> but you don't need it
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2015-10-01T16:48:01 < dongs> why is that
2015-10-01T16:48:04 < Sync> shit will work with opencv
2015-10-01T16:48:12 < Sync> there are opensores drivers
2015-10-01T16:48:14 < dongs> it uses usb video class or someshit?
2015-10-01T16:48:40 < Sync> no
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2015-10-01T17:36:45 < englishman> dongs: how do i stop displays from rearranging when i turn these dells off
2015-10-01T17:36:51 < englishman> its like turning off -> totally disconnected
2015-10-01T17:41:23 < englishman> Change monitor refresh rate
2015-10-01T17:41:23 < englishman> To resolve this issue, change the monitor setting refresh rate from 60 Hertz to 30 Hertz.
2015-10-01T17:41:26 < englishman> fuck off dell
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2015-10-01T17:42:17 < englishman> how can they fuck up basic shit on every single generation
2015-10-01T17:47:16 < englishman> this solution doesnt work either, still disconnects
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2015-10-01T22:16:54 < ReadError> Laurenceb__, control your fellow 4channers
2015-10-01T22:21:05 < Laurenceb__> why?
2015-10-01T22:22:20 < ReadError> https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/
2015-10-01T22:22:26 < ReadError> more school shootings
2015-10-01T22:23:07 < Laurenceb__>  You might want to chillax and not alert police
2015-10-01T22:23:08 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-10-01T22:32:01 < kakimir> your first school shooting thread?
2015-10-01T22:32:46 < kakimir> babby's first "tommorow to school" thread
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2015-10-01T22:40:22 < kakimir> twisting short pairs is hard work
2015-10-01T22:40:46 < kakimir> should do longer ones and then cut
2015-10-01T22:42:07 < Laurenceb__> wow it actually happened
2015-10-01T22:43:44 < Steffanx> Weird, real life stuff on 4chan. :S
2015-10-01T22:45:13 < kakimir> how many?
2015-10-01T22:45:34 < Steffanx> 10.
2015-10-01T22:45:43 < Steffanx> and counting.
2015-10-01T22:46:04 < Steffanx> Anyway, isn't crap like that posted daily on 4chan ReadError?
2015-10-01T22:46:18 < ReadError> i dont browse 4chan
2015-10-01T22:46:24 < Steffanx> * Laurenceb__ ?
2015-10-01T22:46:30 < englishman> sure, it follows the daily school shootings in usa
2015-10-01T22:47:19 < ReadError> 4chan is for the pedos and wizards
2015-10-01T22:48:15 < Steffanx> wizards :D
2015-10-01T22:48:37 < zyp> are you a wizard?
2015-10-01T22:49:09 < Steffanx> No magic wand for me.
2015-10-01T22:49:24 < ReadError> im not 30
2015-10-01T22:49:55 < zyp> so the appropriate answer is «not yet»?
2015-10-01T22:50:09 < ReadError> huehuehue
2015-10-01T22:50:19 < emeb> wow - that school is about 100mi from where my parents live. I drive past it when I go to visit them.
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2015-10-01T22:50:55 < Steffanx> 100mi, lol. That's like on the other side of the country in dutchland terms.
2015-10-01T22:51:08 < emeb> so tiny
2015-10-01T22:51:21 < zyp> that's like your neighbor in northeren norway
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2015-10-01T22:51:27 < Steffanx> what? its > 1 hour drive.
2015-10-01T22:51:48 < emeb> on the interstate highway it's about 1.5hrs
2015-10-01T22:52:00 < zyp> Steffanx, that's the joke :p
2015-10-01T22:52:17 < zyp> northeren norway is rural as fuck
2015-10-01T22:52:44 < emeb> that part of Oregon is pretty rural too.
2015-10-01T22:52:50 < englishman> 1hr is like the end of the driveway where i am
2015-10-01T22:53:15 < Steffanx> canuck.
2015-10-01T22:53:49 < Steffanx> ( thank flyback for that )
2015-10-01T22:55:46 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-10-01T22:55:50 < zyp> from my parents home it's actually 100km to the closest town
2015-10-01T22:56:13 < zyp> takes 1.5hrs as well on those roads
2015-10-01T22:56:32 < Laurenceb__> that reminds me.. is wizardchan still up
2015-10-01T22:57:04 < Laurenceb__> i thought hotwheelz moved to 8chan
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2015-10-01T22:57:40 < Laurenceb__> lol  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/REnlB3631Nw/maxresdefault.jpg
2015-10-01T22:57:48 < Laurenceb__> what /pol/ doesnt want to see
2015-10-01T23:00:46 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/School_Shooting
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2015-10-01T23:16:30 < umquant> Can someone point me in the right direction for issuing AT commands to a USB modem from a stm32
2015-10-01T23:21:37 < zyp> you'll have to elaborate more on your setup
2015-10-01T23:21:49 < zyp> what is your starting point?
2015-10-01T23:22:17 < Lux> has anyone here used the stm32 spi as a slave with more than one slave + a master ? seems like setting the cs pin to af and nss hardware does nothing
2015-10-01T23:22:40 < Lux> so you still have to enable/disable the spi hardware/pins manually in the interrupt
2015-10-01T23:22:56 < Lux> imo that's retarded or i missed something
2015-10-01T23:23:09 < zyp> Lux, are you sure it's not configured to software slave selection?
2015-10-01T23:23:32 < zyp> you usually do that on masters, which disables NSS functionality
2015-10-01T23:23:42 < Lux> i'm pretty sure
2015-10-01T23:23:57 < zyp> I don't believe you :)
2015-10-01T23:24:09 < zyp> NSS is there for a reason, if it doesn't work, you're not using it right
2015-10-01T23:25:41 < Lux> it's definetly set to SPI_NSS_Hard
2015-10-01T23:26:24 < zyp> umquant, so I'm assuming you've got an F4 (or maybe F7) with one of the OTG ports in host mode, with a usb modem plugged in?
2015-10-01T23:26:30 < Lux> it also doesn't really mention in the ref manual what the chipselect in slavemode exactly does
2015-10-01T23:26:34 < Lux> this is on an f031
2015-10-01T23:27:05 < zyp> uh, slave select is where it does anything
2015-10-01T23:27:10 < umquant> zyp, I have an stm32f429i Discovery board and a USB 3G modem with a known AT command reference
2015-10-01T23:27:14 < zyp> anyway, show some code
2015-10-01T23:27:19 < Lux> sec
2015-10-01T23:27:50 < umquant> zyp, I am really new to USB. So really I am just trying to get a rough idea and then research it
2015-10-01T23:27:56 < zyp> ah, right
2015-10-01T23:28:36 < zyp> well, first of all, you'll want some sort of host usb stack that can enumerate the device, you probably don't want to write that from scratch
2015-10-01T23:29:18 < ds2> no SPI_NSS_Easy?
2015-10-01T23:29:39 < umquant> Right, I've found a USB host library using the STM32Cube HAL
2015-10-01T23:30:05 < Lux> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/FrjwSw85.html
2015-10-01T23:30:06 < zyp> I guess the modem will use CDC ACM for the AT command channel, so you'll want to use the host stack to find the device and the ACM interface on the device
2015-10-01T23:30:18 < Lux> that's it, not formatted/cleaned up etc
2015-10-01T23:30:30 < umquant> I know CDC, what is ACM ?
2015-10-01T23:30:45 < ds2> zyp: if it is a nice modem. Some nastier ones enumerate as a MSD and require a hand shake before the CDC stuff is available
2015-10-01T23:30:47 < umquant> ah nvm
2015-10-01T23:30:52 < zyp> opening this interface should give you two usb bulk pipes (one in, one out), so you'll just send character data over that
2015-10-01T23:31:07 < Lux> would be cool to loose the interrupt stuff, but that has to be there for it to work i guess
2015-10-01T23:31:25 < umquant> zyp, so it's as simple as sending the AT commands over that pipeline?
2015-10-01T23:31:26 < zyp> ACM is a subclass of CDC, probably the most used one
2015-10-01T23:31:35 < umquant> I've done this before over USART and it was a breeze
2015-10-01T23:31:43 < zyp> well, yeah, assuming it's all ACM
2015-10-01T23:31:46 < umquant> awesome
2015-10-01T23:32:47 < zyp> I don't have much experience with consumer usb modems unfortunately, sounds like ds2 knows more than me
2015-10-01T23:33:17 < ds2> what modem
2015-10-01T23:33:19 < ds2> it matters
2015-10-01T23:33:40 < ds2> some modem are design for total idiots so they have on board flash with the drivers
2015-10-01T23:34:09 < zyp> I used to work with modems, but that was on integrated platforms, which used shit like AT channels over CAIF over CDC NCM over HSIC
2015-10-01T23:34:30 < umquant> ds2 just for a PoC I am using some cheap modem I found on amazon that has AT command documentation
2015-10-01T23:34:33 < umquant> Gobi 3000
2015-10-01T23:34:47 < zyp> or CAIF over MIPI HSI
2015-10-01T23:35:13 < ds2> umquant: plug it into Linux and see what it enumerates as
2015-10-01T23:35:15 < ds2> then go fromthere
2015-10-01T23:35:43 < umquant> Ah okay. Thanks!
2015-10-01T23:35:58 < ds2> if you see a cdrom enumerated, then you need a handshake
2015-10-01T23:36:13 < ds2> CDC is easy to deal with
2015-10-01T23:36:24 < zyp> handshake? as in set_config(2) or something?
2015-10-01T23:36:44 < zyp> or full mode-change with soft reset and everything like DFU?
2015-10-01T23:36:53 < ds2> no as in send it a eject
2015-10-01T23:37:03 < zyp> wat, haha
2015-10-01T23:37:05 < ds2> wait for it to re-enumeratea nd magically you see descriptors for the CDC stuff
2015-10-01T23:38:11 < ds2> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem
2015-10-01T23:38:18 < ds2> look at the "Mode switching" section
2015-10-01T23:38:33 < umquant> ds2, I found a linux forum thread about my cell module. They say it comes up as /dev/ttyUSB0.
2015-10-01T23:39:03 < umquant> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1796527
2015-10-01T23:39:13 < zyp> yeah, so usb have all these nice mechanisms for supporting multiple functions in the spec, and then the vendors fuck it all up and invent their own bullshit instead
2015-10-01T23:39:14 < ds2> USB0?!
2015-10-01T23:39:27 < zyp> uh
2015-10-01T23:39:39 < ds2> exactly, idiot appeasement
2015-10-01T23:40:03 < ds2> not good... that is not a CDC device
2015-10-01T23:40:09 < ds2> have fun writing a driver ;)
2015-10-01T23:40:10 < zyp> doesn't matter
2015-10-01T23:40:18 < umquant> that's depressing
2015-10-01T23:40:32 < zyp> ttyUSB is also usb-serial, usually some sort of vendor-specific
2015-10-01T23:40:44 < ds2> you want it to show up as /dev/ttyACM0
2015-10-01T23:40:55 < zyp> kinda sounds like it's a serial thing hooked to a usb-serial adapter
2015-10-01T23:40:57 < zyp> but idk
2015-10-01T23:40:59 < ds2> then life is easy. CDC is trivial to implement
2015-10-01T23:41:18 < zyp> the main difference is just descriptors, in the end you end up with two bulk pipes anyway
2015-10-01T23:41:35 < ds2> and format
2015-10-01T23:41:49 < zyp> driver complexity is the same, difference is just what interface class to look for
2015-10-01T23:42:09 < zyp> ds2, well, I'm assuming it's still a plain AT channel on a bulk pair
2015-10-01T23:42:25 < zyp> if it's a mux layer on top then all bets are off
2015-10-01T23:42:51 < ds2> zyp: IIRC, there are ones that send it over interrupt pipes
2015-10-01T23:43:14 < ds2> or require you to set up baudrates, etc
2015-10-01T23:44:17 < zyp> eh, it's not like interrupt pipes are harder to do
2015-10-01T23:44:31 < ds2> just irritating variations
2015-10-01T23:44:43 < zyp> but anyway, ttyUSB usually means vendor-proprietary ACM-like
2015-10-01T23:44:54 < zyp> so it's usually not a big deal
2015-10-01T23:46:05 < umquant> ds2, zyp, Thank you both. I have decided to give up now and learn javascript :P
2015-10-01T23:46:11 < ds2> hahaha
2015-10-01T23:46:13 < zyp> haha
2015-10-01T23:46:23 < ds2> why not basic?
2015-10-01T23:46:38 < umquant> does basic have a cool ".io" website?
2015-10-01T23:46:52 < umquant> Does it use bootstrap, HTML5, CC3 and have a Go backend?
2015-10-01T23:47:03 < ds2> :)
2015-10-01T23:47:10 < umquant>  /sarcasm
2015-10-01T23:47:35 < umquant> do either of you have a recommendation on a 3g cell module?
2015-10-01T23:47:42 < zyp> I though node was the cool shit nowadays
2015-10-01T23:48:01 < umquant> For lowish volume (200-300 units/yr)
2015-10-01T23:48:41 < ds2> what arrier?
2015-10-01T23:48:44 < ds2> carrier
2015-10-01T23:49:13 < umquant> initially at&t but verizon support is inevitable.
2015-10-01T23:51:05 < ds2> don't you want a 4G modem then?
2015-10-01T23:51:20 < ds2> easiest, IMO, is a BT tethering
2015-10-01T23:51:54 < umquant> Why would I mean 4G? Also, BT tethering?
2015-10-01T23:53:15 < ds2> cuz 3G is different between VZW and AT
2015-10-01T23:53:18 < ds2> T
2015-10-01T23:53:31 < ds2> with 4G, you have a chance of finding common HW for both VZW and ATT
2015-10-01T23:54:07 < umquant> Right. Problem is this device will be deployed in areas that probably one have 4g
2015-10-01T23:54:52 < ds2> "one have"?
2015-10-01T23:55:23 < umquant> fml I'm tired. won't* lol
2015-10-01T23:56:10 < ds2>     BT tethering is getting a modem that has a BT interface and you just impleement BT
2015-10-01T23:56:24 < ds2> rrggg network acting up
2015-10-01T23:56:39 < umquant> BT = bluetooth?
2015-10-01T23:57:43 < ds2> sorry, yes
2015-10-01T23:58:13 < ds2> probally repurpose a cheap phone
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2015-10-02T00:00:01 < emeb> +1 for cheap phone.
2015-10-02T00:00:18 < emeb> just got a $20 prepaid LG Optimus from Amazon for fooling around.
2015-10-02T00:00:50 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3256735/Don-t-school-tomorrow-northwest-Disturbing-warning-message-appears-4Chan-night-shooting-Oregon-college.html#comments
2015-10-02T00:01:05 < umquant> I can imagine the customer's face when they open up my enclosure and see a phone
2015-10-02T00:02:29 < karlp> this is what they'll think: http://i.imgur.com/nVh9ge6.gif
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2015-10-02T00:05:47 < umquant> ds2, Found a CDC ACM cell module. What would be the next step to research how to implement communication
2015-10-02T00:06:29 < karlp> is there a particular reason you want to do this directly from the stm32?
2015-10-02T00:06:47 < karlp> rather than an embedded linux rotuer platform with an stm32 slave for any real hardware things?
2015-10-02T00:06:57 < karlp> solves all your networking problems real quick
2015-10-02T00:07:05 < umquant> karlp, price manly.
2015-10-02T00:07:20 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: what is this shit site you linked?
2015-10-02T00:07:25 < ds2> what is the budget?
2015-10-02T00:07:25 < karlp> ok, just don't forget to price your time, yo usaid this was only 200-300 units...
2015-10-02T00:07:43 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: newspaper - comments invaded by 4chan
2015-10-02T00:07:51 < kakimir> allthough still better journalism than finnish equalent
2015-10-02T00:08:41 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRcdmbC0HHs
2015-10-02T00:09:56 < umquant> karlp, Good point
2015-10-02T00:10:48 < ds2> again a cheap phone might get you everything
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2015-10-02T00:11:16 < karlp> if you do it right, gets you battery backup too :)
2015-10-02T00:11:33 < karlp> when in doubt, repurpose hardware someone else spent time making millions of.
2015-10-02T00:11:44 < umquant> it feels so wrong haha
2015-10-02T00:11:46 < karlp> then ignore your own advice and build your own wheels anyway.
2015-10-02T00:12:16 < Laurenceb__> I've used an old t26 in a project once :P
2015-10-02T00:12:18 < karlp> umquant: it might seem strange, but if it works, and it gets you out the door in 2 weeks with a software only solution instead of 5 months and custom hardware....
2015-10-02T00:13:30 < fenugrec> ^
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2015-10-02T00:13:53 < umquant> karlp, Totally.
2015-10-02T00:14:39 < umquant> now I am thinking about splitting the product up. The embedded part would consist of the opto isolated digital inputs / outputs
2015-10-02T00:15:00 < umquant> it could then communicate via serial to usb to any phone lol
2015-10-02T00:15:22 < karlp> or actual usb, instead yet another abuse of serial shits, but yeah :)
2015-10-02T00:15:40 < umquant> haha yea
2015-10-02T00:15:49 < karlp> the phone gives your multiple network options, screen, vibration, location services and battery backup.
2015-10-02T00:15:56 < umquant> yup
2015-10-02T00:15:57 < karlp> and you can even make the customer provide their own :)
2015-10-02T00:16:08 < umquant> now my only worry is extended temp support
2015-10-02T00:16:33 < karlp> you were going to have that problem looking for usb 3g sticks too :)
2015-10-02T00:17:07 < umquant> I am actually using a minipcie to usb adapter for the PoC since board design isn't done
2015-10-02T00:17:37 < umquant> http://www.amazon.com/SMAKN%C2%AE-PCI-E-Wireless-Adapter-Module/dp/B00YOL9VAQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1443734243&sr=8-3&keywords=mini+PCI-e+to+usb+with+sim
2015-10-02T00:19:20 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/RuLQkuA
2015-10-02T00:19:44 < Laurenceb__> uh oh   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0
2015-10-02T00:20:18 < karlp> Laurenceb__: is that the shooter?
2015-10-02T00:20:44 < Laurenceb__> yup
2015-10-02T00:20:57 < Laurenceb__> according to 4chan
2015-10-02T00:23:47 < Laurenceb__> acutepathogen69 on irc
2015-10-02T00:24:20 < Laurenceb__> what a psycho
2015-10-02T00:25:21 < umquant> damn wtf man
2015-10-02T00:26:01 < Laurenceb__> they found his reddit https://www.reddit.com/user/AcutePathogen69
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2015-10-02T00:41:31 < umquant> is that verified as his reddit account?
2015-10-02T00:42:08 < zyp> pretty sure it would be taken down as soon as it's verified
2015-10-02T00:42:10 < karlp> doesn't matter this is the interweb. shoot first, ask questions maybe next year
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2015-10-02T01:18:29 < jadew> Laurenceb, did that happen now?
2015-10-02T01:19:10 < jadew> I was just going through all the imgur links I ever visited
2015-10-02T01:19:18 < jadew> turns out I look at a lot of naked chicks
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2015-10-02T01:25:08 < jadew> A LOT
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2015-10-02T01:41:13 < kakimir> has there been life after.. let say 2008?
2015-10-02T01:42:25 < kakimir> I remember when internets was good
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2015-10-02T01:46:12 < kakimir> youtube was all orginals and nice content
2015-10-02T01:47:48 < kakimir> facebook had no mass of "cattle"
2015-10-02T01:49:53 < kakimir> only cool and weird ppl
2015-10-02T01:52:29 < jadew> leave britney alone was from that period, no?
2015-10-02T01:52:36 < jadew> and boxxy
2015-10-02T01:52:40 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-02T01:55:17 < kakimir> platforms were alive
2015-10-02T01:55:34 < kakimir> lots of variety
2015-10-02T01:58:38 < Laurenceb__> too much info jadew
2015-10-02T01:58:45 < Laurenceb__> yeah couple of hours ago
2015-10-02T01:59:34 < jadew> how many this year?
2015-10-02T02:00:11 < Laurenceb__> naked chicks?? i dunno
2015-10-02T02:00:18 < jadew> shootings
2015-10-02T02:01:41 < artag> facebook was cool ? I thought it was teenagers, and then trash
2015-10-02T02:03:39 < kakimir> first teenagers and then grandmas
2015-10-02T02:07:26 < kakimir> but that little moment before thing turns into shit
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2015-10-02T02:15:35 < Laurenceb__> I was the first person in the UK on facebook
2015-10-02T02:15:39 < Laurenceb__> my claim to fame lol
2015-10-02T02:15:47 < Laurenceb__> when it was still "the facebook"
2015-10-02T02:15:55 < upgrdman_> you were uncool before it was cool to be uncool
2015-10-02T02:15:59 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-10-02T02:16:12 < Laurenceb__> i still have email conversation with zuckerberg somewhere
2015-10-02T02:18:40 < Laurenceb__> used to be OUSU union website rep, so when it was uni only he emailed me to "expand operations outside Harvard"
2015-10-02T02:19:11 < Laurenceb__> yeah they missed my character out of that facebook film lulz
2015-10-02T02:21:05 < kakimir> in the year?
2015-10-02T02:21:20 < Laurenceb__> the year?? this was 2004
2015-10-02T02:21:42 < Roklobotomy> zuckerberg was 14 then.  wtf?
2015-10-02T02:22:15 < Laurenceb__> huh
2015-10-02T02:22:26 < kakimir> no way
2015-10-02T02:22:37 < Laurenceb__> 20
2015-10-02T02:22:42 < Roklobotomy> dongs said facebook was crap way back in 1998.
2015-10-02T02:22:47 < Laurenceb__> born May 14, 1984
2015-10-02T02:24:19 < Roklobotomy> 6 months before I got a C=64.  Life before computers....
2015-10-02T02:24:27 < Roklobotomy> I can't imagine.
2015-10-02T02:28:57 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC-Galleria year 2004 this was thing here
2015-10-02T02:29:14 < kakimir> totally ruined by then
2015-10-02T02:30:10 < kakimir> full of ppl that referred the gallery as "IRC"
2015-10-02T02:30:41 < Laurenceb__> heh
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2015-10-02T02:32:23 < Roklobotomy> it discriminated against the swedish speaking finns.
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2015-10-02T02:39:18 < kakimir> I think swedish speaking finns discriminate against finns
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2015-10-02T02:39:54 < Laurenceb__> SwedenYES
2015-10-02T02:50:51 < Laurenceb__> shooter was a grrrrl https://streamable.com/edl7
2015-10-02T02:53:21 < upgrdman_> finally some gender equality
2015-10-02T02:53:30 < upgrdman_> feminists would be so proud
2015-10-02T02:54:35 < Laurenceb__> wait wut
2015-10-02T02:54:36 < Laurenceb__> https://slimgr.com/image/RR0
2015-10-02T02:54:43 < Laurenceb__> INSIDE JOB
2015-10-02T02:55:57 < Laurenceb__> dindu nuffink
2015-10-02T02:57:50 < Sync> wad
2015-10-02T03:05:11 < Roklobotomy> innit
2015-10-02T03:05:49 < Laurenceb__> wtf ebay.. does ebay now do paypal automatically?
2015-10-02T03:06:09 < Sync> yes
2015-10-02T03:06:25 < Laurenceb__> so confusing
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2015-10-02T03:27:24 < upgrdman_> with printf() is there something like the opposite of padding? like %s that pads AND clips to n charactors?
2015-10-02T03:31:15 < upgrdman_> (so a string always takes up n characters)
2015-10-02T03:31:20 < upgrdman_> no more, no less
2015-10-02T03:35:27 < fenugrec> upgrdman %.*s
2015-10-02T03:37:32 < upgrdman_> for how many chars? like if i want 10.
2015-10-02T03:38:25 < fenugrec> upgrdman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf_format_string
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2015-10-02T03:41:28 < upgrdman_> ok cool
2015-10-02T03:41:51 < upgrdman_> trolled again: %.*s is not support by java. lol
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2015-10-02T04:27:23 < ds2> what does the modem do?
2015-10-02T04:27:28 < ds2> ethernet? ppp?
2015-10-02T04:30:13 < ds2> oops
2015-10-02T04:37:10 < GargantuaSauce> >java
2015-10-02T04:37:12 < GargantuaSauce> found your problem
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2015-10-02T04:59:09 < upgrdman> LOL. someone posted a reply to one of my youtube videos. he wants to use an arduino for video. "So do you know some possible ways to achieve live video input stream from Arduino? If so, can you please do a tutorial for it? Thank you!" sounds like a project for torquing group.
2015-10-02T05:00:44 < GargantuaSauce> they're doing a last minute switch from pic32 to avr eh
2015-10-02T05:01:39 < GargantuaSauce> perfectly approachable for slightly disingenuous definitions of "live" and "video"
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2015-10-02T05:21:30 < upgrdman> <Laurenceb__> uh oh   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0
2015-10-02T05:21:37 < upgrdman> is that the shooter?
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2015-10-02T07:06:31 < timemob> http://imgur.com/a/UUU3u
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2015-10-02T07:19:38 < upgrdman> nice
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2015-10-02T07:33:58 < timemob> zyp, clonejst is perfect http://imgur.com/iql1oXX
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2015-10-02T08:50:42 < kakimir> did anyond had those bigger jst connectors?
2015-10-02T08:50:59 < kakimir> vhr
2015-10-02T08:51:06 < kakimir> dongs?
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2015-10-02T09:52:24 < timemob> who killed chats
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2015-10-02T09:53:05 < ReadError> jews
2015-10-02T09:53:07 < jpa-> everyone just sits by the door waiting for zanoguy to deliver
2015-10-02T09:53:21 < ReadError> oh wait they did 9/11, sry
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2015-10-02T10:36:45 < ReadError> anyone used those 2xLDO 1xSMPS ICs ?
2015-10-02T10:45:34 < PeterM> i th9ink i missed a message there ReadError
2015-10-02T11:14:44 < emeryth> so pros, how do you use CCM? put the stack in it? or just use it for random stuff?
2015-10-02T11:15:15 < jpa-> i put the stack in it, but that has its gotchas also
2015-10-02T11:15:25 < qyx_> no stacky dma then
2015-10-02T11:15:31 < jpa-> yeah
2015-10-02T11:15:38 < qyx_> i failed multiple times here
2015-10-02T11:15:45 < qyx_> like uart_send(local_buf)
2015-10-02T11:15:54 < jpa-> biggest gotcha is if you have DMA-based spi/i2c/filesystem drivers, and do stuff like    char buf[64]; fwrite(..., buf);
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2015-10-02T11:17:46 < jpa-> with nuttx i did it so that the driver detects whether the memory is dma capable and then uses either dma or interrupt-based algorithm
2015-10-02T11:17:52 < jpa-> but that's quite a kludge also
2015-10-02T11:18:29 < jpa-> another way is to memcpy when needed, but then it becomes a question of where you get the dma ram when needed
2015-10-02T11:19:04 < jpa-> simplest is if you have a few processing threads that you can put in CCM, and the hardware comms in separate threads you keep in normal ram
2015-10-02T11:24:27 < tkoskine> In one app, I put bluetooth stack memory to CCM, because I ran out of normal ram and then just memcpy'd memory as needed (uart driver was using dma and normal ram, for example). Later when profiling, memcpy was on top10, but I didn't have much choice since other parts of the app required the normal ram.
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2015-10-02T11:56:36 < mtbg> I don't really know how they managed to break fs implementation in nuttx in such basic concepts
2015-10-02T11:56:57 < jpa-> mtbg: in what ways is it broken?
2015-10-02T11:57:06 < mtbg> like, path interpretation and resolution
2015-10-02T11:57:19 < jpa-> hm, haven't seen any trouble, care to elaborate?
2015-10-02T11:58:29 < mtbg>  /mnt, //mnt/, /mnt// don't resolve to the same inode, in unix they should
2015-10-02T11:58:39 < mtbg> the last two didn't resolve at all afair
2015-10-02T11:58:54 < jpa-> did you file a bug report?
2015-10-02T11:59:31 < mtbg> nope, I just played with it to see what it is like, since it seemed really interesting
2015-10-02T11:59:44 < mtbg> didn't need to use it
2015-10-02T11:59:45 < jpa-> and that was a deal-blocker for you :P
2015-10-02T11:59:49 < mtbg> no
2015-10-02T11:59:57 < mtbg> there are many other things
2015-10-02T12:00:09 < mtbg> most irritating are broken dependencies in Kconfig
2015-10-02T12:00:29 < jpa-> the config stuff is a bit annoying yeah, though it is getting better
2015-10-02T12:00:38 < mtbg> such that you easily end up with something that doesn't compile, or compiles but linking complains about unresolved symbols
2015-10-02T12:00:52 < jpa-> it's a huge project vs. the amount of core devs, so testing tends to be scarce
2015-10-02T12:02:20 < mtbg> also I don't get it why there aren't arbitrary fs tree mounts, only pseudo mounting in root pseudofs
2015-10-02T12:03:40 < jpa-> because every feature starts at -100 points :)
2015-10-02T12:04:27 < jpa-> though honestly, i'd think retrobsd is much more reasonable than nuttx - but i use nuttx in one work project and it works
2015-10-02T12:04:27 < mtbg> and implementation of such thing based on stored whole this pseudo fs tree in RAM directly as a tree
2015-10-02T12:04:48 < mtbg> and "placing inodes" for /dev and for /mnt entries in that data structure
2015-10-02T12:05:05 < jpa-> yeah, it seems like a reasonable design to me
2015-10-02T12:07:20 < mtbg> why not just implement something to: find a dentry under a given directory inode for every fs, and list directory inode's dentries
2015-10-02T12:07:56 < jpa-> ?
2015-10-02T12:08:35 < mtbg> this would give sufficient abstraction for proper path resolution and yet will allow to implement every fs in efficient way
2015-10-02T12:09:25 < mtbg> and you can easily have recursive mounts then
2015-10-02T12:09:36 < jpa-> maybe if you think it is a useful feature to add, propose it on the mailing list and get coding?
2015-10-02T12:12:04 < mtbg> I really just played with it without intent to use it somewhere
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2015-10-02T12:12:21 < mtbg> USB tty drivers mostly worked and also that nsh on usb
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2015-10-02T12:13:13 < jpa-> yeah, i'm just saying that you shouldn't be surprised that it doesn't have every possible feature :P
2015-10-02T12:13:28 < jpa-> features get added when they are needed
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2015-10-02T12:14:14 < jpa-> most embedded devices only have a few filesystems anyway.. i have only the pseudo root and an sd card
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2015-10-02T12:15:16 < mtbg> their own executable format supporting execute in place is nice idea though
2015-10-02T12:15:28 < mtbg> useful for fs in internal flash
2015-10-02T12:15:56 < jpa-> kind-of, though only if you want to be able to install applications individually
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2015-10-02T12:16:13 < jpa-> otherwise could just as well build them into the same binary
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2015-10-02T12:43:35 < timemob> sup dead chats
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2015-10-02T13:15:04 < timemob> Regarding actual flight times, I have about 10 sets of the new plastics so simply need to allocate time to go and test them. All I have done so far is crash tests with the new plastics. Flying a Zano at a concrete wall until it collides, then it falls and hits a concrete floor. We have done this repeatedly to test the various aspects from the plastics, to impact resistance etc.
2015-10-02T13:16:21 < jpa-> actually he was trying to do obstacle avoidance tests, but they turned out to be crash tests
2015-10-02T13:17:35 < timemob> ano's GPS functions all work now, the gesture control routines are all written, follow me is written and test from a unit point of view. It is all there and working. The issue is with the wizard to assist users in calibrating Zano's compass and aligning the phone to a true position. All GPS enabled drones need to have their on board compass calibrated. Zano being so small and dense requires careful calibration by the user to deal with both the hard iron and 
2015-10-02T13:19:53 < timemob> As you know, any changes in the Android app need to be ported including bug fixes to the iOS version so every time we change the Android app, rework is required for the iOS app. Now on that, I believe the first Android app for Zano is completed and the second Android app which is cool (I'll tell you about it soon) is underway.
2015-10-02T13:19:56 < timemob> lolll
2015-10-02T13:20:15 < timemob> first shit isn't even working and they already have something else
2015-10-02T13:20:40 < emeryth> so agile
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2015-10-02T13:33:51 < scrts_w> sup lads?
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2015-10-02T13:49:28 < timemob> blogging
2015-10-02T13:49:42 < timemob> camera board out Monday
2015-10-02T13:50:02 < timemob> I was lazy and waited to panel it with some other customer trash
2015-10-02T13:51:01 < kakimir> camera board?
2015-10-02T13:51:13 < timemob> zanocam
2015-10-02T13:51:50 < kakimir> you and dongs friends?
2015-10-02T13:52:06 < timemob> ...
2015-10-02T13:55:17 < zyp> timemob, nice
2015-10-02T13:55:25 < timemob> ya
2015-10-02T13:56:07 < kakimir> https://www.facebook.com/Time-mob-201163893292114/timeline/?ref=stream
2015-10-02T13:57:58 < jpa-> kakimir: nah, they are archenemies
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2015-10-02T13:58:04 < jpa-> dongs always rips off timemob's designs
2015-10-02T13:58:14 < timemob> ya
2015-10-02T13:58:21 < timemob> that asshole
2015-10-02T13:59:15 < timemob> zyp, you wont need new connectors for a while
2015-10-02T13:59:21 < timemob> esp 2 pin
2015-10-02T13:59:57 < timemob> also explained they have no boss pin and align them with silk
2015-10-02T14:00:02 < kakimir> dongs is like that
2015-10-02T14:00:34 < zyp> cool
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2015-10-02T14:00:52 < zyp> luckily they are all mounted in the same orientation now, so that should be hard to fuck up
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2015-10-02T14:01:08 < timemob> ah, on 1.1.1? okay
2015-10-02T14:01:18 < timemob> was it same orientation in the imgur?
2015-10-02T14:02:12 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-02T14:02:34 < timemob> ok good
2015-10-02T14:02:35 < zyp> 1.1 had the QE-connectors the other way
2015-10-02T14:02:58 < kakimir> how I do not remember timemob at all am I too newfag?
2015-10-02T14:03:07 < zyp> haha
2015-10-02T14:04:23 < timemob> you're just fag, period
2015-10-02T14:04:33 < timemob> new/old doesn't matter
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2015-10-02T14:35:54 < ReadError> hmm so wtf
2015-10-02T14:36:09 < ReadError> is there anything different in f3 vs f4 DFU booting?
2015-10-02T14:36:22 < ReadError> im using the exact same pins, f4 works fine
2015-10-02T14:36:33 < ReadError> 3 different F3 boards dont enumerate or do anything
2015-10-02T14:40:55 < karlp> different usb cores?
2015-10-02T14:41:15 < karlp> read an26xxxcdsffadswhatzit the bootloader docs?
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2015-10-02T14:42:28 < ReadError> shouldnt just pulling boot0 high make it do something though?
2015-10-02T14:42:47 < karlp> I dunno, what does the "supported bootloader modes on f3" doc say?
2015-10-02T14:43:06 < jpa-> yeah, some stm32's that have usb do not have usb bootloader
2015-10-02T14:43:21 < jpa-> and on some the usb bootloader requires external pull-up resistor or similar
2015-10-02T14:43:25 < ReadError> usart1, usart2, usb
2015-10-02T14:43:33 < ReadError> oh? hmm
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2015-10-02T14:43:48 < ReadError> from boot0 to vdd ?
2015-10-02T14:44:01 < mtbg> is it f303?
2015-10-02T14:44:05 < ReadError> ya mtbg
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2015-10-02T14:50:03 < timemob> fucking cloner
2015-10-02T14:51:26 < ReadError> excuse me?
2015-10-02T14:51:59 < timemob> sorry I mistyped stoner
2015-10-02T14:56:42 < ReadError> mtbg is there some 'gotcha' with the f303 boot?
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2015-10-02T14:59:31 < timemob> no
2015-10-02T14:59:32 < timemob> no
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2015-10-02T15:03:08 < mtbg> doesn't seem so, but you need a proper crystal oscillator for bootloader to work with usb
2015-10-02T15:04:55 < mtbg> and also, as jpa- said, a pull up on D-
2015-10-02T15:05:12 < mtbg> f4 have internal resistors in built-in transceiver
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2015-10-02T15:14:02 < ReadError> hmm yea the pullup is atleast giving me enumeration errors
2015-10-02T15:14:06 < ReadError> so thats something!
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2015-10-02T15:16:31 < ReadError> ahah noiiice
2015-10-02T15:16:35 < ReadError> that fixed ;) tyvm
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2015-10-02T15:17:11 < ReadError> strange the f4 enumerated w/o a crystal or pullup
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2015-10-02T15:26:25 < jpa-> ReadError: it has different hardware capabilities, though that it worked without crystal is surprising
2015-10-02T15:26:49 < rewolff> ReadError: Just adding the pullup to an otherwise "dead" chip will give you enumeration errors. So for the future: don't party just yet when you're getting the enumeration errors....
2015-10-02T15:27:57 < ReadError> rewolff nah its showing up in bootloader mode
2015-10-02T15:28:16 < ReadError> i switched to a board with xtal
2015-10-02T15:28:35 < rewolff> (On STM32F042F, the USB pins are not connected to the package unless you set a bit in some configuration register (SYSCFG IIRC). The pullup however /is/ connected to physical pin... )
2015-10-02T15:29:31 < rewolff> Yes, I understand that now it works. Just a warning for you and others: Just the pullup will give you the enumeration errors. Enumeration starts when the passive resistor is detected, and gives errors if the chip doesn't respond.
2015-10-02T15:30:58 < rewolff> USB specs are pretty tight about timing. So it is a little difficult to do without a crystal. But nowadays more and more chips are able to pull it off without the crystal.
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2015-10-02T15:31:21 < rewolff> F3xx is "old" and apparently not fitted with the stuff to enable USB without a crystal.
2015-10-02T15:32:08 < jon1012> someone knows if stlink v2 present in st discovery board can program non st chipsets ?
2015-10-02T15:32:13 < jon1012> (using the SWD interface)
2015-10-02T15:32:31 < mtbg> lpc11xx worked afair
2015-10-02T15:32:48 < mtbg> so maybe other will work too
2015-10-02T15:32:51 < jon1012> mtbg, it's for a cypress BLE with M0 chipset
2015-10-02T15:32:51 < jon1012> good
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2015-10-02T15:34:08 < timemob> oh duhhhh you need crystal
2015-10-02T15:35:12 < PaulFertser> jon1012: yes, stlink v2 can talk to most other chips via SWD but there're some limitations.
2015-10-02T15:35:45 < PaulFertser> jon1012: e.g. lack of 16-bit reads and writes. And lack of AP-level access (so you can't mass-erase a Kinetis).
2015-10-02T15:35:51 < jon1012> ok
2015-10-02T15:35:52 < PaulFertser> jon1012: other than that, should work.
2015-10-02T15:36:10 < PaulFertser> jon1012: but I'm not sure if OpenOCD has a flash driver for any cypress controllers yet.
2015-10-02T15:36:56 < jon1012> I received a bunch of those : http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5pcs-lot-2-Channel-Relay-Module-Bluetooth-4-0-BLE-for-Apple-Android-Phone-IOT-with/406986_32439763695.html
2015-10-02T15:37:05 < jon1012> but there is no fucking documentaton at all on how to use them
2015-10-02T15:37:27 < jon1012> and I've discovered tracing the wires that the pin header slot on the bottom is an SWD port
2015-10-02T15:37:48 < jon1012> so I've guesed I could write an alternative firmware for it
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2015-10-02T15:44:43 < PaulFertser> jon1012: even if you can't flash you still can run from RAM, that should work without any additional drivers.
2015-10-02T15:45:19 < jon1012> PaulFertser, ok
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2015-10-02T16:20:13 < karlp> now you just need tools to create a psoc42 image....
2015-10-02T16:20:50 < umquant> karlp, Remember talking about throwing a phone in a product as a cheap solution? What about a beagleboard black?
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2015-10-02T16:21:46 < karlp> that was one of the other suggestions raised wasnt it, "what about some generica embedded linux board" ?
2015-10-02T16:22:07 < umquant> Oh yea
2015-10-02T16:22:17 < artag> did you see those modules seeedstudio announced ?
2015-10-02T16:22:41 < umquant> I need to see how much manufacturing costs for them are in low volume (in case I can't get somewhere else)
2015-10-02T16:23:00 < umquant> artag, I did not. I will look for them though
2015-10-02T16:23:36 < artag> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seeed/rephone-kit-worlds-first-open-source-and-modular-p
2015-10-02T16:24:29 < umquant> hmm interesting
2015-10-02T16:25:25 < artag> probably expensice compared to a low-end android phone, but if you only want parts of it, they could be cheaper than existing gsm/3g modems
2015-10-02T16:25:53 < artag> which makes me wonder - are there any open or hacked 3g dongles ?
2015-10-02T16:25:59 < mtbg> arduino phone
2015-10-02T16:26:01 < mtbg> :>
2015-10-02T16:26:58 < umquant> artag, Not sure about "open". But there are tons of 3g cards with more than enough documentation.
2015-10-02T16:27:18 < umquant> i've only even written UART drivers for them though. Not USB
2015-10-02T16:29:49 < qyx_> karlp: there are some china-generic linux modules with wifi onboard for about $20
2015-10-02T16:31:16 < PeterM> get one of those shitty ar9331 modules and wire up usb host to a 3g/4g dongle throw open wrt on it ro some shit if you want to cut corners + cut money
2015-10-02T16:32:11 < qyx_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AR9331-3G-4G-router-Open-Source-OpenWrt-WiFi-IoT-Module-Yun-Version-/251906491368?hash=item3aa6cc03e8
2015-10-02T16:32:14 < qyx_> this
2015-10-02T16:33:18 < PeterM> heyyy would you look at that, ar9331
2015-10-02T16:33:24 < qyx_> oh true
2015-10-02T16:33:26 < PeterM> *rolls eyes*
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2015-10-02T16:34:11 < karlp> umquant: ^^ listen to qyx stuff
2015-10-02T16:34:15 < karlp> what's wrong with ar9331 ;)
2015-10-02T16:34:16 < PeterM> they are pretty dodgy, but also quite functional for the price
2015-10-02T16:34:32 < karlp> wayy less dodgy that the ar2317 before it ;)
2015-10-02T16:34:42  * karlp has an ar9331 board on the desk right now
2015-10-02T16:34:48 < PeterM> 9/10 of those boards wont be fcc certified etc
2015-10-02T16:34:54 < PeterM> but liek you give a fuck, rihgt?
2015-10-02T16:34:54 < karlp> merrily writing emc load testing shits
2015-10-02T16:35:11 < karlp> well, mine has fcc/ce, because we paid carambola2 for the module,
2015-10-02T16:35:14 < umquant> PeterM, In the oil industry, especially for the smaller operations their shit never is
2015-10-02T16:35:27 < karlp> but yeah, the cheaper ones don't normally.
2015-10-02T16:35:47 < umquant> qyx_, My only worry with that is not having design files in case supply goes away for some reason
2015-10-02T16:36:20 < PeterM> there is so many of the same oens from many different suppliers, i dont see them dissappearing overngiht
2015-10-02T16:37:23 < umquant> That's true
2015-10-02T16:37:26 < PeterM> this openwrt works pretty well with 3g/4g bongles http://ofmodemsandmen.com/supported.html
2015-10-02T16:38:59 < artag> more boxes though. i don't really want a router-with-dongle when the dongle alone is probably clever enough.
2015-10-02T16:39:31 < artag> a MIO / Mifi type device with onboard modem and router might be OK
2015-10-02T16:40:26 < karlp> we don't care what you want, we were talking about umquant's needs and desires ;)
2015-10-02T16:40:46 < umquant> haha you guys are giving me tons of things to consider!
2015-10-02T16:40:55 < karlp> hrm, what channel was I in,
2015-10-02T16:41:13 < umquant> So, I don't want to skimp on the cell module. I think I am going for the telit HE910 and DE910
2015-10-02T16:41:16 < PeterM> karlp, ##tarduino?
2015-10-02T16:41:17 < karlp> artag: someone in the #sigrok channel was talking baout a usb 3g stick running linux you could get onto
2015-10-02T16:41:41 < artag> yeah ? I'll look back at that
2015-10-02T16:41:54 < PeterM> umquant, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/677635/HUAWEI%2030%20mm%20x%2030%20mm%20LGA%20Module%20Hardware%20Migration%20Guide-%2528V100R001_03%252C%20English%2529.pdf
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2015-10-02T16:42:29 < karlp> artag: I just left it recently, don't hve logs sorry,
2015-10-02T16:43:17 < artag> i'm in there, got lots of logs
2015-10-02T16:43:30 < karlp> ZTE iirc?
2015-10-02T16:43:35 < PeterM> http://consumer.huawei.com/en/solutions/m2m-solutions/products/tech-specs/me909u-521-en.htm
2015-10-02T16:43:44 < karlp> http://www.ztedevice.com/product/data_card/2568654e-c0d9-479d-a77f-17c340ff211d.html
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2015-10-02T16:45:04 < umquant> hmm will look into it
2015-10-02T16:45:11 < mtbg> on #sigrok also?
2015-10-02T16:45:22 < mtbg> I mentioned it here a few days ago
2015-10-02T16:45:57 < karlp> too much overlap :)
2015-10-02T16:46:30 < qyx_> mhm, those modules would be cool for mesh networking
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2015-10-02T16:48:06 < umquant> http://www.black-swift.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
2015-10-02T16:48:31 < karlp> there's dozens and dozens of them if you start looking
2015-10-02T16:48:45 < karlp> and hundreds more if you start sending rfq's out
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2015-10-02T16:53:19 < umquant> Damn so many options. I think I will start writing the server side portion of the product first lol
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2015-10-02T17:10:29 < dongs> I would like to extend my gratitude to Ivan and the team for hosting my wife, son and I for a tour of the facility in Pembroke Dock.
2015-10-02T17:10:36 < dongs> It was amazing to see, first hand, all of the processes involved with the project. I have a new respect for the amount of hard work and dedication it takes to get a highly technical product into the hands of the consumer.
2015-10-02T17:10:40 < dongs> Everyone I met was busy and I didn't see any Facebook pages open or a single game of solitaire being played! Some of the team who would normally be coding we're getting their hand dirty building ZANO's trying to get as many units out of the door as possible, it really was all hands on deck. I got to see the development prototypes, the test rig running, their server room (very impressive and well planned) and even the ZANO graveyard (RIP).
2015-10-02T17:10:46 < dongs>  Ivan was telling me how they spent time just crashing ZANO's into a wall over and over again at 30mph to test their impact resistance.
2015-10-02T17:10:50 < dongs> It was great to hear how much Ivan was looking forward to seeing what we all do with our ZANO's and how this information will be taken on board and used for development.
2015-10-02T17:11:04 < dongs> manchild doesnt know when to stop
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2015-10-02T17:55:50 < karlp> "The Ultimaker 2 ‘Go’ is not equipped with a heated bed and therefore enables fast printing without delay. "
2015-10-02T17:55:59 < karlp> isn't heated bed pretty heavily recommended for 3d printers?
2015-10-02T17:56:08 < karlp> is that just market speak to try and spin it as a feature?
2015-10-02T17:58:09 < emeb> seems so
2015-10-02T17:58:51 < emeb> "Our new crowdfunded DIY automobile has no brakes so you get where you're going more quickly!"
2015-10-02T18:00:54 < PeterM> "braking just uses more fuel!"
2015-10-02T18:01:51 < dongs> feenode admins are complete and utter cunts
2015-10-02T18:01:58 < dongs> i asked to recover password for this nick
2015-10-02T18:02:04 < dongs> and they fucking RESV'd it
2015-10-02T18:03:41 < emeb> wonder what would prompt that?
2015-10-02T18:07:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYVJ4ZkdERjZLZWM/view?usp=sharing after being in mixture of aceton and isopropanol
2015-10-02T18:07:40 < kakimir> all this jizz
2015-10-02T18:07:53 < emeb> flux?
2015-10-02T18:08:13 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-02T18:08:20 < kakimir> additional flux only
2015-10-02T18:08:26 < kakimir> solder flux totally gone
2015-10-02T18:08:41 < emeb> yeah - I've seen it get opaque and crusty like that in IPA
2015-10-02T18:09:00 < mtbg> maybe it's water soluble rather
2015-10-02T18:09:04 < emeb> go after it with a stiff-bristle brush
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2015-10-02T18:09:23 < dongs> this looks like tom66-class tuff
2015-10-02T18:09:50 < emeb> seems like rather a lot of solder - some large blobs & obvious shorts.
2015-10-02T18:10:10 < kakimir> do I need to care about esd when brushing with plastic brush :|
2015-10-02T18:10:22 < emeb> probably not a big issue
2015-10-02T18:10:36 < mtbg> certainly not the biggest one
2015-10-02T18:10:49 < kakimir> brush it under water?
2015-10-02T18:11:19 < Sync> yes kakimir
2015-10-02T18:11:21 < emeb> mixture of H20 and IPA might work best
2015-10-02T18:11:23 < Sync> get an esd brush
2015-10-02T18:12:00 < kakimir> okay I have esd brush but dont want to shit it
2015-10-02T18:12:03 < karlp> start.atmel.com is kinda neat...
2015-10-02T18:12:26 < mtbg> brushing under water will not allow anything to charge
2015-10-02T18:12:42 < mtbg> so any brush could do
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2015-10-02T18:13:09 < kakimir> I use my toothbrush
2015-10-02T18:13:39 < emeb> once it's clean get some solder wick and remove some of the excess too
2015-10-02T18:13:46 < emeb> then clean it again
2015-10-02T18:14:25 < kakimir> if there is no shorts then no
2015-10-02T18:14:39 < PeterM> iirc that residue is the flux that reacted with the acetone but was not removed fro mthe board, jsut soaked.
2015-10-02T18:14:39 < kakimir> or will see..
2015-10-02T18:15:51 < kakimir> I wonder if acetone + ipa harm my boards if I leave em in there
2015-10-02T18:16:58 < kakimir> hey I did not try ethanol
2015-10-02T18:17:01 < emeb> ipa no, acetone is hard on some plastics - I'd be careful with it.
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2015-10-02T18:18:02 < kakimir> ipa didn't by the way do anything to anything
2015-10-02T18:18:07 < kakimir> totally teethless stuff
2015-10-02T18:19:57 < PeterM> kak if you just soak the board in xyz its not going to do hsit
2015-10-02T18:20:22 < mtbg> unless its DMF
2015-10-02T18:20:30 < mtbg> will dissolve epoxy then
2015-10-02T18:20:40 < PeterM> IPA + brush, or board cleanrer + ultrasonic cleaner is more like it
2015-10-02T18:21:34 < kakimir> okay no watter
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2015-10-02T18:23:29 < PeterM> mtbg or H2FSbF6 bhut then you'd probably have nothing else left anywhere either
2015-10-02T18:25:05 < kakimir> okay IPA should be somewhat conductive
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2015-10-02T18:44:35 < Getty> some logic of people is just faboulus... on a multiplayer game server: "So it works with items of type A but doesn't work with items of type B..... must be a server thing"
2015-10-02T18:45:06 < Getty> reminded me instantly of: Al Bundy: "All right, think this: wolves.... night.... moon.... shoes."
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2015-10-02T18:52:06 < kakimir> ipa + brush seems to be the thing
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2015-10-02T18:58:54 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKLUUxRWNpWk4yc2M/view?usp=sharing
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2015-10-02T20:19:25 < dongs> I have been outside lots today testing some new API functions in Zano for our new surprise I teased you all about yesterday. I really think you will like what we have planned expecting to release monday 12th for beta testers.
2015-10-02T20:19:50 < dongs> There is one 'final' bug in the app. I say final with a pinch of salt because software being software, things happen but the final bug is just to do with accessing the gallery within the app. We have held off releasing it until it is fixed. Many Zano users are not experience RC enthusiast, probably 60%+ have never flown anything before and many have little experience.
2015-10-02T20:19:54 < karlp> they're adding rainbow patterns to the leds?
2015-10-02T20:20:49 < dongs> yes
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2015-10-02T21:18:35 < artag> can't fly without rainbows
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2015-10-02T21:44:29 < emeb> next up: unicorns, sparkles and pretty princesses.
2015-10-02T21:45:07 < mtbg> and nyan cat theme played on motors
2015-10-02T21:48:32 < englishman> <3
2015-10-02T21:48:53 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flp0m_UXWkE
2015-10-02T21:49:45 < ReadError> does ST do silicon revisions with the stm32f###xx(T#) ?
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2015-10-02T21:49:51 < ReadError> like T6 vs T7 ?
2015-10-02T21:50:13 < englishman> nope
2015-10-02T21:50:39 < ReadError> seems pretty much the same, t7 had more timers and was listed as 'new product' on mooser
2015-10-02T21:52:15 < englishman> wat
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2015-10-02T21:53:21 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Embedded-Processors-Controllers/Microcontrollers-MCU/ARM-Microcontrollers-MCU/_/N-a85pc?P=1z0y32v&Keyword=stm32+f303&FS=True
2015-10-02T21:53:36 < ReadError> STM32F303RCT6 vs STM32F303RCT7
2015-10-02T21:53:53 < ReadError> I get the rest, just not what the last digit denotes
2015-10-02T21:54:19 < englishman> i guess you didnt rtfrm?
2015-10-02T21:54:47 < ReadError> temp rating is different
2015-10-02T21:54:51 < ReadError> but T7 has more timers ?
2015-10-02T21:55:05 < englishman> catalogue error
2015-10-02T21:55:15 < englishman> as it says in the manual, T is package 6/7 is temp rating
2015-10-02T21:55:51 < ReadError> hmm odd so higher temp is cheaper, and 'new'
2015-10-02T21:55:56 < ReadError> seems backwards
2015-10-02T21:55:59 < englishman> ya
2015-10-02T21:56:17 < englishman> thats mauser quality customer (dis)service
2015-10-02T21:56:18 < ReadError> what threw me off was the timer difference, didnt look at man
2015-10-02T21:56:25 < ReadError> > paypal
2015-10-02T21:56:27 < ReadError> > no tax
2015-10-02T21:56:30 < ReadError> > 2 days
2015-10-02T21:56:35 < ReadError> sounds good to me
2015-10-02T21:56:49 < englishman> no dogecoin
2015-10-02T21:57:16 < englishman> 2 days is slow
2015-10-02T21:57:36 < englishman> arent you in the same country
2015-10-02T21:57:43 < ReadError> yes
2015-10-02T21:57:48 < ReadError> thats their cheapest thing
2015-10-02T21:57:52 < ReadError> 6.99
2015-10-02T21:58:06 < englishman> digikeys is 0.00 and 17 hours
2015-10-02T21:58:11 < ReadError> but i can buy 50$ and get it for 6.99
2015-10-02T21:58:13 < englishman> to foreign devil country
2015-10-02T21:58:17 < ReadError> not 150-200$ or w/e
2015-10-02T21:58:35 < englishman> just cloner-sized batches
2015-10-02T21:59:05 < ReadError> no cloning parts come from ariexpress
2015-10-02T21:59:17 < ReadError> I only use the most suspect stuff available
2015-10-02T22:00:15 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/X-NUCLEO-IHM03A1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvNM%2fd3q5fCV2mLU9FR%252bz0orHDN218ieu0%3d got some of them to find something useless to do with
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2015-10-03T01:48:13 < BFreeze> Sad Panda!! Where's flyback? :(
2015-10-03T01:49:19 < BFreeze> nm... I think I found him. lol
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2015-10-03T02:19:57 < Laurenceb__> he probably shot up a school
2015-10-03T02:21:07 < BFreeze> lol, I don't think so.
2015-10-03T02:21:19 < BFreeze> I've been chatting to him for years
2015-10-03T02:23:56 < zyp> sorry to hear that
2015-10-03T02:25:16 < Laurenceb__> haha
2015-10-03T02:25:33 < Laurenceb__> he used to hang in ##electronics, I ignore that channel now as its full of aids
2015-10-03T02:26:31 < BFreeze> lol
2015-10-03T02:26:39 < BFreeze> yeah, some of them are meanies
2015-10-03T02:26:54 < gxti> was it ever not
2015-10-03T02:27:00 < Laurenceb__> so, last 2 school shooters were british?
2015-10-03T02:27:21 < Laurenceb__> hmm this has got to be statistically significant
2015-10-03T02:33:46 < BFreeze> Yeah, boycott and quarantine all British in 'Murica!
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2015-10-03T02:34:49 < Laurenceb__> internment camps
2015-10-03T02:37:13 < BFreeze> And NO top hats and suits. That's terrorists!
2015-10-03T02:38:19 < BFreeze> Probably next, they'll make them write "colour" as "color".
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2015-10-03T03:00:19 < upgrdman> best mode of transportation:  https://i.imgur.com/WkvpSQQ.jpg
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2015-10-03T03:22:00 < BFreeze> haha
2015-10-03T03:41:35 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/KHpipkn
2015-10-03T03:46:57 < PeterM> karlp, http://imgur.com/WwiKLN0
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2015-10-03T05:00:43 < ReadError> anyone know if there is a better option than embsysregview
2015-10-03T05:00:45 < ReadError> http://embsysregview.sourceforge.net/img/screenshot2.jpg
2015-10-03T05:00:56 < ReadError> I like this feature, but its unsupported for f3
2015-10-03T05:03:47 < aadamson> ReadError, do you use the GNU plugin
2015-10-03T05:04:01 < aadamson> if so just use it's *packs* and set up the target
2015-10-03T05:04:10 < aadamson> and then you have full access to all the registers
2015-10-03T05:04:39 < aadamson> including the ports, etc
2015-10-03T05:04:48 < ReadError> yea I can view the registers
2015-10-03T05:04:55 < ReadError> but the 'breakdown' of each bit is nice
2015-10-03T05:05:01 < aadamson> so you can see any pin you want that way
2015-10-03T05:05:07 < aadamson> yeah I understand
2015-10-03T05:05:08 < ReadError> saves from toggling back and forth to the refman
2015-10-03T05:05:25 < karlp> PeterM: heh, that's.... not really the story at all, but glad to see a photo of it :)
2015-10-03T05:05:27 < ReadError> not familiar with the gnu plugin, been using chibistudio which came with this
2015-10-03T05:05:38 < aadamson> ah...
2015-10-03T05:05:49 < aadamson> ok, I just use raw eclipse (cdt version) with this
2015-10-03T05:05:57 < aadamson> http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/
2015-10-03T05:07:11 < ReadError> hmm nice, will have to give that a go
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2015-10-03T05:08:04 < PeterM> karlp, enlighten me?
2015-10-03T05:10:10 < karlp> they're on strike,
2015-10-03T05:10:22 < karlp> only they're nto allowed to strike, yay weird laws.
2015-10-03T05:10:31 < PeterM> ahhh
2015-10-03T05:10:33 < karlp> so they ganged up outside parliament this morning
2015-10-03T05:10:37 < karlp> then went up town
2015-10-03T05:10:57 < karlp> and yeah, the dunkin donuts that just opened has had a line far more often than it should for a fucking donut shop
2015-10-03T05:11:09 < PeterM> rofl
2015-10-03T05:11:24 < karlp> but that's largely because they're deliberately making people line up outside to look cool when theres plenty of room inside
2015-10-03T05:11:44 < PeterM> Homer: Lisa, if you don't like your job you don't strike, you just go in every day and do it really half-assed - that's the American way.
2015-10-03T05:12:09 < karlp> eh, not getting into a labour discussion  :)
2015-10-03T05:12:13 < karlp> not right now :)
2015-10-03T05:12:13 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/rvIv2.jpg
2015-10-03T05:12:19 < ReadError> turns out an update was avail :)
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2015-10-03T05:13:04 < aadamson> ah cool
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2015-10-03T05:15:52 < aadamson> duh, that tool does the same thing as the gnu plugin with it's *packs* support - I think, but lots more supported in the gnu plugin
2015-10-03T05:16:13 < aadamson> it might be that there is more detail in what you have however, not sure
2015-10-03T05:17:42 < aadamson> I'll install it and play next time, I'm messing around
2015-10-03T05:23:02 < ReadError> I just like how it breaks down what meaning of each bit rather than show a super long binary number
2015-10-03T05:25:39 < aadamson> yeah you can do the same in the plugin, you can get to the BSRR and BSR registers and the individual pins
2015-10-03T05:27:00 < ReadError> man after messing w/ that tagconnect
2015-10-03T05:27:05 < ReadError> can see how those clips get lost quick
2015-10-03T05:27:09 < aadamson> hehe ya
2015-10-03T05:28:35 < aadamson> if you aren't and building for release, use the newlib-nano (and the float if needed), the build will be significantly smaller
2015-10-03T05:28:53 < aadamson> it's under c/c++ build->settings->linker->misc
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2015-10-03T05:31:08 < ReadError> dont have that option in mine ;/
2015-10-03T05:32:44 < aadamson> ah what version of eclipse?
2015-10-03T05:32:57 < aadamson> ah never mind, it's from the plugin
2015-10-03T05:33:11 < aadamson> you can do the same thing.. hang on I'll find the link command
2015-10-03T05:36:12 < aadamson> --specs=nano.specs - assuming you have the *newlib*
2015-10-03T05:36:21 < aadamson> that's a linker command
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2015-10-03T05:43:52 < ReadError> http://www.openstm32.org/HomePage
2015-10-03T05:43:59 < ReadError> someone told me this is ST's official IDE
2015-10-03T05:44:08 < ReadError> but seems like no connection
2015-10-03T05:44:57 < upgrdman> its endorsed
2015-10-03T05:45:04 < upgrdman> not made by stm tho
2015-10-03T05:45:58 < ReadError> I thought ST was supposed to have one now or a few months ago?
2015-10-03T05:46:05 < ReadError> Q3 of 2015 iirc
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2015-10-03T06:14:29 < karlp> ReadError: that openstm32 / system workbench is st's blessed ide
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2015-10-03T06:21:23 < timemob> sup dongs
2015-10-03T06:23:18 < upgrdman> whats dongulating
2015-10-03T06:24:17 < ReadError> man, I get how alternative functions work on GPIOs, but additional functions?
2015-10-03T06:25:12 < ReadError> says pins additional function is USB DM/DP, but theres no AF # associated with it
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2015-10-03T06:26:44 < timemob> what? f1?
2015-10-03T06:27:29 < ReadError> f3
2015-10-03T06:27:48 < timemob> isn't there only one set of USB pins
2015-10-03T06:28:08 < timemob> and turning on that peripheral uses them
2015-10-03T06:29:42 < ReadError> oh so if its additional you just enable the usb periph and not set any AF stuff and it will default to the additional?
2015-10-03T06:29:57 < aadamson> ReadError, not sure what you are trying to do, but on the 303, you use AF_14 for DP/DM
2015-10-03T06:30:00 < aadamson> ?
2015-10-03T06:30:21 < ReadError> aadamson yea on the 303xC
2015-10-03T06:30:27 < ReadError> on the 303xE its not AF_14
2015-10-03T06:30:30 < ReadError> its additional
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2015-10-03T06:33:28 < aadamson> all the parts have *additional* functions and if it's in that class, then yes, you only need to enable the clock and the peripheral
2015-10-03T06:33:30 < aadamson> then
2015-10-03T06:33:48 < aadamson> it's just when you end up with a *remappable pin* usually that you need the AF's
2015-10-03T06:34:42 < aadamson> 303xC has additional too, which is what there me a curve until I look at the datasheet again (haven't messed with the 303 in a while)
2015-10-03T06:35:28 < aadamson> s/there/threw
2015-10-03T06:38:57 < ReadError> yea, just different I suppose
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2015-10-03T08:29:10 < Roklobsta> any of you played with little FSK transcivers at all?
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2015-10-03T08:42:46 < timemob> suuuuup
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2015-10-03T10:59:49 < qyx> Roklobsta: how little should they be?
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2015-10-03T18:23:21 < Laurenceb__> this is nice
2015-10-03T18:23:22 < Laurenceb__> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=LORA1;LORA2;LORA3
2015-10-03T18:23:29 < Laurenceb__> semtech lora mesh network
2015-10-03T18:27:49 < emeb_mac> cute
2015-10-03T18:28:38 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: when the icon changes to a parachute I guess that means they're on the way down
2015-10-03T18:33:46 < Laurenceb__> yes
2015-10-03T18:35:14 < Laurenceb__> theres balloon to balloon links too, but they arent highlighted on the map
2015-10-03T18:39:57 < scrts> http://cdn.uber.lt/ng/humour.binaries/1443870038_floppydisk.jpg
2015-10-03T18:57:24 < kakimir> thats gay
2015-10-03T18:57:45 < kakimir> sup lauranceb!
2015-10-03T18:57:59 < ReadError> aka hairy potter
2015-10-03T18:58:43 < kakimir> I don't know and propably don't want to
2015-10-03T19:05:22 < englishman> eaten any fermented fish today
2015-10-03T19:06:12 < kakimir> isn't that like norwegean thing?
2015-10-03T19:07:47 < kakimir> oh.. surströmming
2015-10-03T19:14:35 < ReadError> isnt finland and norway pretty much the same thing
2015-10-03T19:17:28 < BrainDamage> there's sweden inbetween them
2015-10-03T19:17:38 < kakimir> surstömming is coastal/archipelago finn+swede thing
2015-10-03T19:18:23 < BrainDamage> and if you're about rotten fish, worcestershire sauce contains fermented herrings too
2015-10-03T19:18:31 < kakimir> swedes are weird black people between finns and norse
2015-10-03T19:18:45 < ReadError> ive never seen a black swede tho
2015-10-03T19:21:17 < kakimir> norse and finns are much more alike than swedes and finns
2015-10-03T19:21:41 < englishman> isnt black swede a metal band
2015-10-03T19:23:07 < ReadError> chuck norse and huck finn
2015-10-03T19:23:58 < englishman> whats going on in lapland today
2015-10-03T19:24:21 < ReadError> wot
2015-10-03T19:24:44 < englishman> dats a question for chilly kaka
2015-10-03T19:27:46 < kakimir> you tell me?
2015-10-03T19:28:43 < englishman> life above 60 degrees, sunset is already at 3pm?
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2015-10-03T19:31:50 < kakimir> not yet at 3pm
2015-10-03T19:33:12 < kakimir> guys tell me how to change graphics driver when there is no xorg.conf ?
2015-10-03T19:33:34 < BrainDamage> graphic drivers are kernel modules
2015-10-03T19:33:48 < BrainDamage> what are you switching between?
2015-10-03T19:34:02 < kakimir> idk to gallium something ati something
2015-10-03T19:34:15 < kakimir> dri mesa ehm..
2015-10-03T19:34:32 < BrainDamage> you're making a soup of related terms, but only one of those is an actual driver
2015-10-03T19:34:49 < BrainDamage> blacklist the unwated module and load the other
2015-10-03T19:35:19 < kakimir> oh
2015-10-03T19:35:40 < BrainDamage> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI
2015-10-03T19:36:50 < BrainDamage> you might also need to configure x to use it, but don't use xorg.conf, use the folder xorg.conf.d
2015-10-03T19:36:58 < BrainDamage> and create a file with minimal amount of changes
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2015-10-03T19:37:06 < Tectu> upgrdman, there?
2015-10-03T19:37:27 < BrainDamage> you'll also need to sacrifice 2 goats and take dongs out on a date
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2015-10-03T19:49:26 < kakimir> okay wont do that I just coppy my files and go back to windows
2015-10-03T20:01:17 < ReadError> ^smartman
2015-10-03T20:04:42 < kakimir> sometimes you let lunix challenge you and it's a mistake
2015-10-03T20:05:14 < kakimir> 3weeks later you have installed gentoo as workaround solution
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2015-10-03T21:24:11 < kakimir> how mlccs enjoy prolonged solderin process?
2015-10-03T21:24:14 < kakimir> or resistors
2015-10-03T21:24:37 < kakimir> if it's above 200celsius for lets say 3minutes
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2015-10-03T22:11:53 < [7]> hm, do I need caps on the RTC xtal?
2015-10-03T22:12:05 < [7]> if I leave those out, how would that affect operation?
2015-10-03T22:12:46 < [7]> I don't care about absolute frequency (that'll have to be calibrated anyway), but I do care about stability
2015-10-03T22:13:25 < [7]> across a wide range of supply voltage (2.0 to 3.3V) and temperature (-30 to 50°C)
2015-10-03T22:14:11 < [7]> I have a gut feeling that a high-tolerance cap might do more harm than good here
2015-10-03T22:15:47 < [7]> also, is a trace length of about 11mm from the chip to the xtal still ok?
2015-10-03T22:20:46 < jpa-> missing caps can cause the oscillator not to start
2015-10-03T22:21:09 < jpa-> but there are crystals with some 8 or 6pF of specified load capacitance, which would mostly come from the io pins
2015-10-03T22:21:42 < jpa-> trace length doesn't matter much, just keep loop area small
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2015-10-03T22:33:44 < [7]> interesting, would have thought that too big caps would be worse for startup
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2015-10-03T22:40:48 < jpa-> [7]: sure, too big causes trouble also
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2015-10-03T23:15:06 < kakimir> chinese reflow station has noticeable 50W constant hum
2015-10-03T23:15:18 < kakimir> :P
2015-10-03T23:15:25 < kakimir> 50hz maybe
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2015-10-03T23:31:33 < GargantuaSauce> the 858 clone kakimir?
2015-10-03T23:31:40 < GargantuaSauce> mine makes my fluorescent lights flicker
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2015-10-03T23:57:25 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-03T23:59:31 < [7]> my heatgun makes my bench power supply hum
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2015-10-04T00:06:29 < kakimir> lab symphony
2015-10-04T00:07:56 < upgrdman> i have a china 858d hot air station. i never have those problems. must be lucky.
2015-10-04T00:08:38 < upgrdman> but i do notice my oscope showing voltage spikes on my traces when i turn on my hakko (genuine) 888 iron.
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2015-10-04T00:21:51 < upgrdman> sup R2COM
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2015-10-04T01:33:38 < Laurenceb__> lol stupid damaz  https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/issues/84
2015-10-04T01:33:50  * Laurenceb__ is facepalming at the tardation
2015-10-04T01:36:33 < upgrdman> lol
2015-10-04T01:42:35 < Laurenceb__> just 'rm *' the whole thing
2015-10-04T01:57:16 < Laurenceb__> wait WTF
2015-10-04T01:57:18 < Laurenceb__> http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6530444.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Mark-Zuckerberg.jpg
2015-10-04T01:57:32 < Laurenceb__> land of Zuckerberg?
2015-10-04T01:58:19 < Laurenceb__> that guy needs his own planet.. I suggest deportation to the moon
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2015-10-04T06:08:24 < upgrdman> no chatz :/
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2015-10-04T06:19:09 < mtbg> indeed
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2015-10-04T06:50:59 < upgrdman> is $5.40 a fair price for a 0.91" OLED display?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-Blue-0-91-128X32-OLED-LCD-LED-Display-Module-/221506535847?hash=item3392d181a7
2015-10-04T06:59:31 < ReadError> hey upgrdman on your homefab pcbs
2015-10-04T06:59:43 < ReadError> do you CNC the vias before etching?
2015-10-04T07:03:04 < upgrdman> i dont use vias on my diy pcbs
2015-10-04T07:03:10 < upgrdman> 1L FTW
2015-10-04T07:04:17 < upgrdman> careful layout + a few 0 ohm resistors. problem solved for most circuits.
2015-10-04T07:04:33 < ReadError> yea ive used 1206 0ohms as ghetto jumpers
2015-10-04T07:05:24 < upgrdman> for example:
2015-10-04T07:05:26 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/final2.jpg
2015-10-04T07:05:32 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/tx1.jpg
2015-10-04T07:10:47 < upgrdman> thx
2015-10-04T07:11:07 < upgrdman> ya. the tssop20 stm32f0 is super easy to 1-layer
2015-10-04T07:12:18 < ReadError> upgrdman hm
2015-10-04T07:12:30 < ReadError> what caused the vertical pads to come out thinner than horizontal?
2015-10-04T07:13:45 < upgrdman> ? where
2015-10-04T07:13:56 < ReadError> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/final2.jpg
2015-10-04T07:14:07 < upgrdman> oh on the lqfp?
2015-10-04T07:14:14 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-04T07:14:22 < upgrdman> i think it's mostly a glare/camera artifact
2015-10-04T07:14:49 < upgrdman> oh
2015-10-04T07:15:02 < upgrdman> nm. it was slight misalignment of the solder mask. but copper is good.
2015-10-04T07:15:08 < upgrdman> see: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/closeup1.jpg
2015-10-04T07:15:53 < ReadError> ahh
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2015-10-04T08:28:19 < PeterM> IRFS7530-7PPbF  vs IPT007N06N kgo
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2015-10-04T09:30:05 < upgrdman> lol. "don't open until christmas" wtf... http://imgur.com/HqIeT1B
2015-10-04T09:30:52 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/N70obbX
2015-10-04T09:30:53 < ReadError> lol'd
2015-10-04T09:35:19 < upgrdman> found R2COM  http://imgur.com/eJchFaP
2015-10-04T09:45:36 < upgrdman> lol.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAMDhVT50I&feature=youtu.be
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2015-10-04T10:12:24 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-10-04T10:47:06 < ReadError> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Wurth%20Electronics%20Photos/610120249121.JPG
2015-10-04T10:47:33 < ReadError> anyone seen something like this but w/ the bottom row TH and the rear surface mount?
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2015-10-04T11:08:54 < upgrdman> no. why half SMD half PTH?
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2015-10-04T11:16:12 < artag>  sounds an excellent idea to reduce track density, but I guess most commercial applications don't find that connector very dense
2015-10-04T11:16:27 < PeterM> it is great for mechanical stability.
2015-10-04T11:16:28 < ReadError> upgrdman strength of throughhole
2015-10-04T11:16:35 < ReadError> but can route under easily
2015-10-04T11:16:36 < artag> it would save putting a row of holes in the way of the tracks from the first row
2015-10-04T11:16:42 < ReadError> and fat traces
2015-10-04T11:17:17 < upgrdman> they're 0.1" pitch... not that hard to route even if fully PTH ?
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2015-10-04T11:17:25 < upgrdman> ok well for fat traces maybe
2015-10-04T11:18:42 < artag> though if traces are that fat maybe a single row connector would be a good choice. dual row are perfect for when the whole row is grounded
2015-10-04T11:18:56 < artag> .. unless it turns out to be the back row
2015-10-04T11:19:32 < ReadError> altium wizard question
2015-10-04T11:19:34 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/MKdpw.jpg
2015-10-04T11:19:47 < ReadError> I have a pad (PTH) and a polygon
2015-10-04T11:20:09 < ReadError> I can copy the coords of the polygon, but cant make the pad that shape?
2015-10-04T11:21:22 < ReadError> so when I place it PCB, it violates for a short
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2015-10-04T11:39:24 < ReadError> hmm when its in PCB I can change the nets but no way to do this in the footprint editor
2015-10-04T11:42:01 < TheSeven> ReadError: just leave the polygon net unassigned
2015-10-04T11:42:31 < TheSeven> it wil automatically get assigned to whatever has a copper path to it when placing the part
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2015-10-04T11:43:01 < ReadError> hmm figured there was a more proper way to do this
2015-10-04T11:43:23 < ReadError> like a custom pad outline with a way to offset a hole
2015-10-04T11:43:46 < TheSeven> no, I don't think you can have custom pad outlines
2015-10-04T11:44:10 < TheSeven> the usual way to solve that is placing a polygon with a tiny pad inside, acting as the connection target for traces
2015-10-04T11:45:08 < ReadError> yea that would make sense if I could somehow create the net within the footprint editor, but this doesnt seem possible either
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2015-10-04T11:45:42 < TheSeven> you don't have to, the fact that the pad is inside the polygon will make it realize what you're trying to do
2015-10-04T11:46:06 < TheSeven> when placing the part, the polygon will be assigned to the correct net
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2015-10-04T11:54:25 < ReadError> ah alright that sorta makes sense then
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2015-10-04T12:32:30 < PeterM> or you just make two pads but give them the same designator, one with the poly  and one with the pth
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2015-10-04T13:46:19 < dongs> Ivan wrote:
2015-10-04T13:46:19 < dongs> We have some great things happening, a few cool surprises including a ..... nope can't spoilt the surprise. We need to confirm the timeline for it before we announce it so give me a day or two then we can share it.
2015-10-04T13:46:24 < dongs> spoil the surprise?
2015-10-04T13:46:26 < dongs> confirm the timeline?
2015-10-04T13:46:29 < dongs> Is that supposed to be a joke?
2015-10-04T13:46:31 < dongs> How can i get a refund?
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2015-10-04T13:59:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pxey1bbX70
2015-10-04T14:00:49 < Tectu> dongs, so zano actually was shipped?
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2015-10-04T14:14:15 < Steffanx> That video.. lets take some video instead of getting the damn thing out of the water
2015-10-04T14:14:39 < Tectu> did he really say ¨I don´t know if it was my fault´  or something similar at the beginning?
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2015-10-04T14:15:53 < Laurenceb__> zano was shipped with 5fps crappy jpeg
2015-10-04T14:16:19 < Tectu> oh, how did the crowd react?
2015-10-04T14:17:29 < Laurenceb__> rage
2015-10-04T14:18:15 < Tectu> so zano finally over?
2015-10-04T14:20:09 < Laurenceb__> hopefully
2015-10-04T14:21:05 < Tectu> dongs, you doing keil, right?
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2015-10-04T15:42:52 < dongs> Tectu: sure
2015-10-04T15:43:27 < Tectu> dongs, when keil shows errors in the build output, why the fuck can´t I double click to get to source code
2015-10-04T15:43:34 < Tectu> (in the summary where it tells you how many errors and warnings)
2015-10-04T15:43:44 < Tectu> I have to scroll and/or CTRL+F to fucking find them ?!
2015-10-04T15:45:24 < Laurenceb__> oceanic irrigation, a new kickstarter project
2015-10-04T15:47:13 < Laurenceb__> going to set up a kickstarter for this idea
2015-10-04T15:47:52 < dongs> you can? lol.
2015-10-04T15:50:24 < Tectu> dongs, but not in the summary in the last line
2015-10-04T15:50:43 < Tectu> dongs, later, goota gao
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2015-10-04T15:51:39 < dongs> bai
2015-10-04T15:51:40 < dongs> sorry
2015-10-04T15:51:42 < dongs> im busy too
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2015-10-04T15:52:23 < ReadError> <dongs> sup cloners
2015-10-04T15:52:23 < ReadError> <dongs> and forkers
2015-10-04T15:52:31 < ReadError> was that re: the new fork that happened last night?
2015-10-04T15:52:41 < dongs> ya
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2015-10-04T16:02:30 < zyp> fork of what?
2015-10-04T16:05:23 < dongs> fork of a fork of a fork
2015-10-04T16:05:31 < dongs> clonelabs -> ?? some new dronie shit
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2015-10-04T16:08:01 < Steffanx> Yes very clear desciption. Thanks.
2015-10-04T16:08:24 < dongs> taulabs
2015-10-04T16:08:27 < dongs> i duno the new proj name
2015-10-04T16:08:32 < dongs> but it is dronie or something like that
2015-10-04T16:08:40 < dongs> huh altidong 16  is on the way
2015-10-04T16:08:46 < dongs> they just gonna keep increasing numbers huh
2015-10-04T16:09:01 < ReadError> maybe they should add useful stuff
2015-10-04T16:09:12 < zyp> hopefully not
2015-10-04T16:09:18 < ReadError> like barely clicking and accidently moving something wont disconnect all ur nets
2015-10-04T16:09:27 < zyp> I don't have a subscription anymore, so I'm stuck at 15
2015-10-04T16:09:32 < dongs> ohhhhhhhhhhhh this is nice
2015-10-04T16:09:36 < dongs> they have component snap
2015-10-04T16:09:41 < dongs> like auto-guides type thing
2015-10-04T16:09:46 < dongs> so even if ytoure not on grid
2015-10-04T16:09:48 < ReadError> maybe they can highlight the net when you mouse over
2015-10-04T16:09:52 < ReadError> idk just basic stuff
2015-10-04T16:10:03 < dongs> yeah i.e. ctrl+alt
2015-10-04T16:10:13 < dongs> er alt+click
2015-10-04T16:10:14 < dongs> or watever
2015-10-04T16:10:40 < ReadError> doesnt do anything for me
2015-10-04T16:10:52 < dongs> in waht?
2015-10-04T16:10:59 < ReadError> altium schematic
2015-10-04T16:10:59 < dongs> shcmatic/ pcb?
2015-10-04T16:11:01 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-04T16:11:07 < dongs> alt or control click on net will highlight just that net.
2015-10-04T16:11:11 < dongs> i forget which.
2015-10-04T16:11:48 < ReadError> only thing i know how to do is the highlight stuff but thats kind of a PITA
2015-10-04T16:11:57 < ReadError> net colors would be nice for wires too
2015-10-04T16:12:21 < dongs> i got over that
2015-10-04T16:12:47 < dongs> alt-click does work
2015-10-04T16:12:48 < dongs> i was right
2015-10-04T16:12:50 < dongs> not ctrl.
2015-10-04T16:12:55 < dongs> alt-click a net like 3.3V or someshit
2015-10-04T16:12:58 < dongs> it'll highlight htem all.
2015-10-04T16:13:04 < dongs> shift-c to cancel
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2015-10-04T16:13:54 < ReadError> just seems to highlight the entire wire
2015-10-04T16:14:08 < ReadError> not wires in the same net on different things
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2015-10-04T16:14:15 < dongs> ?? wut
2015-10-04T16:14:26 < dongs> no it highlights entire NET
2015-10-04T16:14:36 < ReadError> maybe i dont have that feature unlocked
2015-10-04T16:14:37 < dongs> if it doenst lighlight other shit then its not attached to that net lolo
2015-10-04T16:15:41 < ReadError> cuz im http://i.snag.gy/8kDfQ.jpg
2015-10-04T16:16:30 < dongs> onscreenkeyboard wAT
2015-10-04T16:16:41 < ReadError> ya just to show it was clicked
2015-10-04T16:18:17 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/V7BYJ.jpg
2015-10-04T16:18:22 < ReadError> also this, I dont like
2015-10-04T16:18:34 < dongs> what is ":this"
2015-10-04T16:18:35 < ReadError> how it looks like theres a little gap between the wire and part
2015-10-04T16:18:40 < ReadError> at certain zooms
2015-10-04T16:18:46 < dongs> um
2015-10-04T16:18:50 < dongs> cuz your components and grid are garbage bro
2015-10-04T16:18:59 < dongs> all your parts should be made on 10x grid
2015-10-04T16:19:09 < dongs> look at the shit its all fucking over the place
2015-10-04T16:19:11 < ReadError> hm ya i should fix that
2015-10-04T16:19:13 < dongs> your caps arent even placed on grid
2015-10-04T16:19:21 < ReadError> new stuff I did w/ 10mil spacing
2015-10-04T16:28:42 < ReadError> ok fixed
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2015-10-04T16:32:30 < mtbg> Laurenceb__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dIF0w_IQuI emdrive explained
2015-10-04T16:33:44 < Laurenceb__> lol emdrive
2015-10-04T16:34:03 < Laurenceb__> its funny how the forum is going dead now all the negative results are piling in
2015-10-04T16:34:40 < Laurenceb__> dimensional analysis wtf
2015-10-04T16:34:57 < Laurenceb__> is this you?
2015-10-04T16:35:07 < BrainDamage> why funny, at least it shows that given evidence people still can recognize bullshit
2015-10-04T16:35:25 < dongs> was emdrive a trol
2015-10-04T16:35:30 < BrainDamage> it'd have been worse if they kept being popular like the usual free energy nuts
2015-10-04T16:35:31 < Laurenceb__> looks like it
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2015-10-04T16:37:14 < mtbg> no, not me
2015-10-04T16:37:38 < mtbg> I probably won't be able to supress laugh while trying to explain it that way
2015-10-04T16:37:40 < Laurenceb__> ah, you are sane
2015-10-04T16:37:45 < Laurenceb__>  :P
2015-10-04T16:38:28 < Laurenceb__> why does everything look like the random startup generator these days
2015-10-04T16:38:34 < Laurenceb__> just discovered this gem
2015-10-04T16:38:36 < Laurenceb__> http://www.heartlightsystems.com/#the-team
2015-10-04T16:39:15 < BrainDamage> it's the stupid material design
2015-10-04T16:39:24 < BrainDamage> it makes all sites look the same
2015-10-04T16:39:35 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-10-04T16:39:40 < dongs> errr
2015-10-04T16:39:42 < dongs> why doesnt shithub
2015-10-04T16:39:44 < BrainDamage> coupled with the vague content of corporte bullshit slang, there's no distinction anymore
2015-10-04T16:39:45 < dongs> set timestamps for files
2015-10-04T16:39:48 < dongs> when you check them out
2015-10-04T16:39:59 < dongs> i just cloned a new shit
2015-10-04T16:40:06 < dongs> and all the date modified are right now
2015-10-04T16:40:12 < dongs> instead of when it was actually done
2015-10-04T16:40:19 < Laurenceb__> lol I've seen that problem
2015-10-04T16:40:58 < dongs> err so why / how to fix
2015-10-04T16:45:03 < dongs> intelssd shitted itself
2015-10-04T16:45:13 < dongs> very pro
2015-10-04T16:45:36 < dongs> was able to get a raw image off of it with ~10 bad sectors with seemingly no useful data on them
2015-10-04T16:47:29 < Steffanx> Better get a samsung 850 pro
2015-10-04T16:48:29 < dongs> thats what i did actually
2015-10-04T16:48:32 < dongs> except samsung t1
2015-10-04T16:48:46 < dongs> cuz i need it external and i dont wanna dick with weird chinese enclosures either.
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2015-10-04T16:55:48 < zyp> dongs, of course timestamps gets set to current time on any checkout
2015-10-04T16:56:29 < zyp> it's so that when you check out new sources, the source is newer than the executable so that make and similar knows what to recompile
2015-10-04T16:57:31 < zyp> setting the timestamp to some point in the past wouldn't make sense
2015-10-04T16:58:20 < dongs> of course it woudl
2015-10-04T16:58:33 < dongs> if there's no .o, and a file wiht old timestamp exists, rebuild it
2015-10-04T16:59:29 < zyp> how would there be no .o?
2015-10-04T16:59:40 < dongs> cuz y ou just chcekd out the fucking sores??
2015-10-04T17:00:16 < zyp> well, sure, but when jumping between versions you'd already have a ton of those from last time you built
2015-10-04T17:00:42 < dongs> yeah but shithub clearly knows when shit was modofied last
2015-10-04T17:00:48 < dongs> cuz it has history log or watever
2015-10-04T17:00:52 < zyp> sure
2015-10-04T17:00:56 < dongs> so how can i make it do that
2015-10-04T17:01:01 < dongs> if I check out clean sores
2015-10-04T17:01:04 < zyp> it just doesn't make sense to put that into the modification time of the file
2015-10-04T17:01:06 < dongs> i want the timestamps to match development
2015-10-04T17:01:15 < dongs> not today
2015-10-04T17:01:24 < zyp> forget about it, it's dumb as fuck
2015-10-04T17:02:18 < zyp> if you want to see when each file actually changed last, use a git history browser
2015-10-04T17:02:42 < dongs> nah man
2015-10-04T17:02:49 < dongs> im recovering trash off this ssd
2015-10-04T17:02:54 < dongs> i wanna see changed vs stuff on shithub
2015-10-04T17:02:56 < dongs> sorted by date
2015-10-04T17:03:23 < zyp> oh, right
2015-10-04T17:03:24 < zyp> idk
2015-10-04T17:05:14 < dongs> i need  t o find a passive m2>sata thing somewehre to see what intel tools say about this trash
2015-10-04T17:05:24 < dongs> the drive is def toast but in a way I've not seen happen to ssd
2015-10-04T17:05:35 < dongs> there's only like 10 'hardware i/o error' sectors
2015-10-04T17:05:39 < dongs> they're not continuous or anything
2015-10-04T17:05:48 < dongs> i figured if a flash bank/row/something went out there's be tons of bad shit
2015-10-04T17:12:05 < zyp> idk, wear levelling and shit is probably fragmenting continous blocks all across it
2015-10-04T17:17:16 < dongs> yea dunno.. o well, its a crapshoot, like 99.9% of stuff is ok i think
2015-10-04T17:17:28 < dongs> just checking a bunch of zips/rars for crc errors
2015-10-04T17:17:35 < dongs> drive is toast
2015-10-04T17:17:44 < dongs> just wanna get it into a passive enclosure nad see what intel ssd toolbox says about it
2015-10-04T17:17:52 < dongs> i dont think i wrote THAT much stuff to it, it must have been some internal fail
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2015-10-04T17:24:27 < Sync> or just cheapshit
2015-10-04T17:25:32 < dongs> intel 530 not exactly cheap
2015-10-04T17:25:37 < dongs> at least i expected it to last > 1 year?
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2015-10-04T17:29:35 < dongs> ohh
2015-10-04T17:29:38 < dongs> im gonna get that amazon button thing
2015-10-04T17:30:11 < dongs> ugh
2015-10-04T17:30:12 < dongs> its prime only
2015-10-04T17:30:13 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-04T17:30:20 < dongs> i wonder if I can do prime by using gift card
2015-10-04T17:34:10 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-04T17:34:15 < dongs> i cant sign up for prime with giftcard balance
2015-10-04T17:34:16 < dongs> racist
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2015-10-04T17:42:35 < PeterM> dongs was it you that did the cr2032 holder with dickbutt?
2015-10-04T17:43:33 < dongs> y
2015-10-04T17:43:46 < dongs> who else
2015-10-04T17:43:46 < dongs> :D
2015-10-04T17:44:44 < PeterM> i ned the picture to show someone
2015-10-04T17:44:50 < PeterM> because its awesome
2015-10-04T17:45:11 < dongs> lemme see if fucking imgur doesnt fail
2015-10-04T17:45:28 < PeterM> cheers m8
2015-10-04T17:45:56 < PeterM> i figure no word from chinaclones because week holidays?
2015-10-04T17:45:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AsuEwCg.jpg
2015-10-04T17:46:00 < dongs> ya
2015-10-04T17:46:07 < dongs> but they said def shipping after holiday
2015-10-04T17:46:10 < dongs> mold fixed or something or other.
2015-10-04T17:47:34 < PeterM> fair nuff
2015-10-04T17:50:48 < dongs> dang. i think my zanocam stuff is 100% gone
2015-10-04T17:51:00 < Sync> rekt
2015-10-04T17:52:45 < PeterM> dongle you dont have periodic backup to nas or something?
2015-10-04T17:54:16 < dongs> i do, whats rekt is very recent stuff
2015-10-04T17:54:32 < PeterM> ahh
2015-10-04T17:54:55 < PeterM> i gotta get new spinning rust for my nas, shits probably gonna catch fire if i dont
2015-10-04T17:55:43 < dongs> gonna try somethin else
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2015-10-04T18:03:01 < PeterM> Sync  IRFS7530-7PPbF  vs IPT007N06N kgo
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2015-10-04T18:11:21 < Sync> wat PeterM?
2015-10-04T18:11:56 < dongs> why is lunixo so fucking dumb
2015-10-04T18:11:59 < dongs> how do you send stderr to file
2015-10-04T18:12:03 < dongs> ONLY STDERR
2015-10-04T18:12:13 < dongs> googly only shows fucking garbage about stdout+stderr
2015-10-04T18:14:33 < Sync> dongs: 2>
2015-10-04T18:17:48 < PeterM> which one do you think has better performance, i mean, they both already have HUGE gate charge so it should come down to current capability, but i can't decipher which one is better because whilst one has like 60% the Rds on of the otehr, the current ratings arent that much different
2015-10-04T18:19:04 < Sync> well
2015-10-04T18:19:10 < Sync> the infineon is faster
2015-10-04T18:19:16 < Sync> but has even larger gate charge
2015-10-04T18:19:20 < Sync> (the die is hueg)
2015-10-04T18:19:40 < PeterM> yeah, the gates are basically silicon capacitors
2015-10-04T18:19:59 < PeterM> becasue xbox heug
2015-10-04T18:20:14 < Sync> the cont drain current is mostly limited by the bond wires
2015-10-04T18:20:21 < Sync> you can only fit so many
2015-10-04T18:20:23 < Sync> and the case
2015-10-04T18:21:12 < PeterM> yeah, both are SMD, so tyhe only *real* way to get heat out is MCPCB
2015-10-04T18:21:30 < Sync> yeah IOR says that 240A bond wire limit
2015-10-04T18:22:01 < PeterM> that would be for Cont' use though, right?
2015-10-04T18:22:05 < Sync> yes
2015-10-04T18:22:39 < PeterM> i guess infineon has like a clip instead of bond wires or something
2015-10-04T18:22:51 < PeterM> or jsut mroe bond wires because package is better shaped
2015-10-04T18:23:43 < Sync> ye
2015-10-04T18:23:45 < PeterM> but then why is IR pulsed current higher than infineon? is infineon mroe prone to hotspotting  because nto all the cells can turn o nfast enough
2015-10-04T18:23:45 < Sync> the SOA is bigger
2015-10-04T18:24:38 < Sync> ~20% more
2015-10-04T18:24:44 < Sync> yeah, good question
2015-10-04T18:25:00 < Sync> I'd say process shits
2015-10-04T18:25:43 < Sync> I suppose the infineon one will switch moar power due to lower avg thermal resistance
2015-10-04T18:25:55 < PeterM> yeah
2015-10-04T18:26:23 < Sync> yeah, you will need a metal core pcb to efficiently get rid of the heat
2015-10-04T18:26:44 < Sync> although you might get away with bare copper on the back and clamping/lowtemp solder
2015-10-04T18:27:42 < PeterM> i figure if not using MCPCB, infineon > IR in all cases because lower Rds on means it will dissipate less power and switches faster
2015-10-04T18:28:14 < PeterM> and it switches faster, not implying rds on is connected to swithcing speed
2015-10-04T18:29:27 < dongs> Vhttp://bcas.tv/paste/results/TMPqoa33.html fuck what am i gonna do
2015-10-04T18:31:06 < Sync> ye PeterM
2015-10-04T18:31:16 < dongs> lost in SSD
2015-10-04T18:31:17 < Sync> if you have no big thermal budget, minimize dem losses
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2015-10-04T18:32:48 < ReadError> dongs why does altium start my pins at the # from the last part I made
2015-10-04T18:33:02 < ReadError> like, add new part, place pin, #25
2015-10-04T18:33:06 < dongs> tab, fix.
2015-10-04T18:34:19 < ReadError> ya I figured out I could do that, but it should start back at 1 with a new part
2015-10-04T18:36:41 < PeterM> Sync, im plannin on doing a motor controller for a electric cordless chainsaw - needs relatively good pulse current capability but low duty cycle
2015-10-04T18:37:14 < Sync> ah
2015-10-04T18:37:22 < Sync> dc motor driven or bldc stuff?
2015-10-04T18:37:30 < PeterM> BLDC
2015-10-04T18:37:55 < Sync> fair enough, you might have to look into protecting the fets then from inductive kickback
2015-10-04T18:38:39 < PeterM> i certainly am, also input inductive kick is pretty harsh too, pulse c8urrents very high so battery lead inductance can cause issues
2015-10-04T18:39:00 < Sync> ye
2015-10-04T18:39:04 < dongs> nice
2015-10-04T18:39:12 < dongs> pulled panelcam project files out of deleted junk
2015-10-04T18:39:15 < Sync> do they have any kind of feedback device?
2015-10-04T18:39:19 < dongs> cuz i usually trash History project
2015-10-04T18:39:23 < dongs> after completing somethin
2015-10-04T18:39:28 < dongs> er History folder
2015-10-04T18:40:06 < PeterM> good thing with chainsaw, almost all the inertia in the system is in the motor, so very little freewheeling current
2015-10-04T18:40:34 < PeterM> well, motor braking current
2015-10-04T18:41:01 < Sync> you can just put D current
2015-10-04T18:41:04 < Sync> then the motor will heat
2015-10-04T18:41:09 < Sync> but no DClink spike
2015-10-04T18:46:43 < PeterM> yeah, im not too worried about motor heat, i can handle that because motor will have a prop/imp on the output  but not so keen on PCB heat because it doesnt have anywhere to go really
2015-10-04T18:46:57 < Sync> yeah
2015-10-04T18:47:16 < Sync> do you want to do sinusoidal commutaion or just simple square 6 step?
2015-10-04T18:48:29 < PeterM> sinusoidal at low RPM to stop the thing jumpiong otu of your hands, transitioning to square at higher commutation for lower losses
2015-10-04T18:49:25 < Sync> you can just ramp in
2015-10-04T18:49:27 < Sync> makes it easier
2015-10-04T18:52:10 < PeterM> yeah, thats all relatively easy to change down the line though, im DIYing the whole cordless chainsaw though, so at the moment i just need approx sizes for components and stuff to get the mechanicals right
2015-10-04T18:53:00 < englishman> rip dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_orOT3Prwg#t=4m54s
2015-10-04T18:53:49 < dongs> haha
2015-10-04T18:53:54 < dongs> whathte ufck is going on
2015-10-04T18:54:01 < dongs> WHY IS HE PUTTING THE FIRE OUT WITH MORE PAPER BOXES
2015-10-04T18:54:22 < englishman> http://www.sankei.com/affairs/news/151004/afr1510040011-n1.html
2015-10-04T18:55:41 < PeterM> why didnt he just like... wet his shit and then smother it or soemthing? i dont fuckign get it
2015-10-04T18:56:00 < PeterM> shrit even
2015-10-04T18:56:02 < PeterM> shirt
2015-10-04T18:56:04 < PeterM> fuck
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2015-10-04T19:01:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vzzgBKCGtk
2015-10-04T19:01:34 < dongs> outside view
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2015-10-04T19:03:58 < Sync> pro
2015-10-04T19:04:10 < Sync> I bet his insurance will not like that
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2015-10-04T19:19:09 < dongs> Hello! It looks like you're trying to put out a fire. Would you like to [ Add more cardboard ] [ Add a blanket ] [ Leave the room quickly ]
2015-10-04T19:19:19 < ReadError> dongs another feature I need
2015-10-04T19:19:31 < ReadError> when inputting stuff 3mm/2
2015-10-04T19:19:36 < ReadError> etc
2015-10-04T19:19:43 < ReadError> pls request with your paid sub
2015-10-04T19:19:48 < dongs> yeah that would be gr8
2015-10-04T19:19:50 < dongs> into input fields
2015-10-04T19:19:54 < dongs> problem is, its not gonna be so easy to do
2015-10-04T19:19:58 < ReadError> thats how solidworks does it
2015-10-04T19:20:00 < dongs> right
2015-10-04T19:21:15 < dongs> ReadError: does soliddongs have this in *every* input box?
2015-10-04T19:21:21 < dongs> like you can do math everywhere?
2015-10-04T19:21:23 < dongs> or just some places
2015-10-04T19:21:55 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-04T19:21:58 < ReadError> everywhere
2015-10-04T19:21:59 < dongs> even letting it happen in j-l would be good enough
2015-10-04T19:22:00 < dongs> dam
2015-10-04T19:22:03 < dongs> fuck soliddongs
2015-10-04T19:22:05 < ReadError> like when i do hole, i do 3mm/2
2015-10-04T19:22:08 < dongs> right
2015-10-04T19:23:38 < englishman> cuz tahts so hard to do in head
2015-10-04T19:23:44 < ReadError> well that isnt
2015-10-04T19:23:50 < ReadError> but its a nice feature
2015-10-04T19:23:54 < dongs> englishman: 1.65/2 is
2015-10-04T19:23:59 < englishman> and its pretty normal in cad
2015-10-04T19:24:02 < ReadError> for the start/end location of a track
2015-10-04T19:24:04 < ReadError> for example
2015-10-04T19:24:12 < englishman> no thats .825
2015-10-04T19:24:18 < dongs> you calc.exe'd that
2015-10-04T19:24:20 < englishman> pff
2015-10-04T19:24:22 < englishman> dude
2015-10-04T19:24:39 < dongs> fuck off if you didnt
2015-10-04T19:24:41 < englishman> 1.6/2 = 0.8, 0.05/2 = 0.025 then add
2015-10-04T19:24:44 < englishman> so easy
2015-10-04T19:24:56 < ReadError> you arent stoned enough
2015-10-04T19:24:58 < dongs> nvm, i calc.exe for anything > 5 for either operand
2015-10-04T19:25:14 < englishman> for anything else i use casio.exe in front of me. solar powered
2015-10-04T19:25:20 < dongs> heh
2015-10-04T19:30:28 < ReadError> i still want the 'mirror about' feature too
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2015-10-04T19:31:52 < englishman> so where do i get one of those lighters
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2015-10-04T19:32:00 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/BIWsHGm.png
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2015-10-04T19:56:06 < fenugrec> upgrdman I assume there's also a tubgirl fountain somewhere
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2015-10-04T20:29:08 < Laurenceb__> lol arduino
2015-10-04T20:29:10 < Laurenceb__> http://www.tranquilityaerospace.com/TranqWeb/Projects.html
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2015-10-04T20:52:00 < TheSeven> dammit
2015-10-04T20:52:05 < TheSeven> one trace left to be routed
2015-10-04T20:52:11 < TheSeven> and I can't seem to find a path :P
2015-10-04T20:58:41 < zyp> route better
2015-10-04T21:00:44 < upgrdman> how the fuck would you even get 200A into the leads of this FET before they melt?  http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfs7530-7ppbf.pdf
2015-10-04T21:10:53 < mtbg> it is valid as long as you keep the temperature below 100°C
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2015-10-04T21:13:05 < upgrdman> but i mean 12awg wires get warm at 30A. how the fuck can you do 200A through those little legs?
2015-10-04T21:13:19 < upgrdman> even if super short
2015-10-04T21:13:30 < TheSeven> it's only 40A or so per leg ;)
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2015-10-04T21:25:59 < Laurenceb__> lets see your board
2015-10-04T21:26:10 < upgrdman> me?
2015-10-04T21:26:24 < upgrdman> im not using them. someone in here was asking about them earlier.
2015-10-04T21:26:59 < upgrdman> i still have fuck tons of TO220 5mOhm FETs to use up before i go to proper SMD
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2015-10-04T21:27:15 < zyp> upgrdman, cooling
2015-10-04T21:27:58 < upgrdman> Tectu, you pinged me yesterday. what's up?
2015-10-04T21:28:02 < zyp> those legs are usually connected to a huge polygon on the board, giving lots of area to act as a heatsink dissipating that heat
2015-10-04T21:28:12 < upgrdman> k
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2015-10-04T21:28:25 < Tectu> upgrdman, remember our talks about shitty code and shitty commented code?
2015-10-04T21:28:34 < upgrdman> yes :)
2015-10-04T21:28:34 < zyp> whereas in a long wire, the heat needs to be dissipated by the wire alone
2015-10-04T21:29:23 < zyp> and a wire doesn't have a lot of surface area
2015-10-04T21:29:45 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-04T21:29:45 < Tectu> upgrdman, look what I found:  http://paste.ugfx.org/show/4371bff026
2015-10-04T21:30:03 < Tectu> upgrdman, and of course that is code from a company...
2015-10-04T21:30:04 < upgrdman> lol
2015-10-04T21:30:10 < upgrdman> >:)
2015-10-04T21:30:34 < Tectu> at least they didn´t put a comment there such as   ´Reset´
2015-10-04T21:30:48  * upgrdman nods
2015-10-04T21:31:49 < zyp> idk, that doesn't look so bad
2015-10-04T21:32:07 < Tectu> heh
2015-10-04T21:32:18 < zyp> redundant, sure, but if it's being consistent to a pattern, why not?
2015-10-04T21:32:27 < upgrdman> Tectu, is that cpp?
2015-10-04T21:32:38 < upgrdman> what does "(void) g;" do? just call the constructor?
2015-10-04T21:32:46 < zyp> no
2015-10-04T21:32:52 < zyp> it just marks g as used
2015-10-04T21:32:56 < karlp> supresses warnings for unused
2015-10-04T21:33:00 < upgrdman> oh lol
2015-10-04T21:33:09 < Tectu> jup, is C
2015-10-04T21:33:22 < Tectu> although I never understood what actually happens there.
2015-10-04T21:33:22 < upgrdman> ya looks like c but never seen that before
2015-10-04T21:33:29 < karlp> ?
2015-10-04T21:33:29 < zyp> so anyway, the compiler would optimize out the pointless branch, so the generated code wouldn't be any worse than not having it
2015-10-04T21:33:30 < Tectu> upgrdman, that is VERY common, I think
2015-10-04T21:33:44 < karlp> upgrdman: that's _the_ way of supressing those warnings.
2015-10-04T21:33:55 < karlp> you've never programmed C to any sort of interfaces before?
2015-10-04T21:34:05 < zyp> some codebases have an UNUSED macro
2015-10-04T21:34:14 < upgrdman> no
2015-10-04T21:34:16 < Tectu> zyp, but instead of  (void)g;  one could also just do other crap, right? Just that it is used. and void cast is good because it does not screw change the value/pointer?
2015-10-04T21:34:35 < Tectu> Q_UNUSED()   <3
2015-10-04T21:34:45 < upgrdman> karlp, most of my complex stuff is in java. and just use c for mcu's where i/co-workers write all the code anyway
2015-10-04T21:35:22 < karlp> ah, I have enough linux C too,
2015-10-04T21:35:42 < karlp> and even just in libopencm3, with some of the usb layers, you might not need some of the callback arguments
2015-10-04T21:36:04 < upgrdman> ya makes perfect sense after you pointed it out
2015-10-04T21:36:11 < upgrdman> no @Suppress in c :)
2015-10-04T21:37:10 < zyp> Tectu, well, you could just write g; to use the variable in an expression, but then you have an expression that doesn't get used for anything, which triggers another warning
2015-10-04T21:37:39 < zyp> by casting the result of the expression to void, you make it explicit that this is intentional and that the result shouldn't be used
2015-10-04T21:38:16 < Tectu> zyp, theoretically g++;  would work too, right? Because it gets used. It would just fuck up the pointer, obviously
2015-10-04T21:38:21 < zyp> for volatile variables, doing this actually causes the variable to be read, and the result discarded
2015-10-04T21:39:28 < zyp> Tectu, well, that's different
2015-10-04T21:39:46 < zyp> if you increment g but don't read it, the compiler can still see that the variable is never read
2015-10-04T21:40:20 < Tectu> I see
2015-10-04T21:41:17 < zyp> the meaning of casting to void is to explicitly discard something
2015-10-04T21:43:27 < Tectu> Okay, I understand. thanks zyp!
2015-10-04T21:52:04 < upgrdman> that reminds me of an annoyance with eclipse cdt. you dont get unused warnings if the variable is only ever incremented (never read outside of the increment read/modify/write process)
2015-10-04T21:52:39 < Steffanx> configure it to complain about it ..
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2015-10-04T21:52:43 < Steffanx> *warn
2015-10-04T21:52:59 < upgrdman> so you could have "int foo = 0; foo++;" and it would never warn about being unused
2015-10-04T21:53:12 < upgrdman> so many of those shits in some code i took over a few months ago.
2015-10-04T21:53:27 < Steffanx> it's not Eclipse's job to warn you about it, that's the compiler not?
2015-10-04T21:53:35 < upgrdman> i guess they were planning to use it, but never did, and never named the variable in any way that gives a clue as to what it's for.
2015-10-04T21:53:48 < upgrdman> Steffanx, suppose so.
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2015-10-04T21:54:19 < upgrdman> not sure if eclipse relies on compiler warning for auto-completion type stuff.
2015-10-04T22:06:37 < upgrdman> reading about semihosting. what is "retarget" ?
2015-10-04T22:09:56 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: it's basically when you override _write and _read to do whatever you want for the specific project.
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2015-10-04T22:29:25 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, so semihosting always goes through the programmer/debugger, and retargeting lets you instead route it others ways (via those functions), perhaps to a UART?
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2015-10-04T22:33:06 < Tectu> so they try to sell me a J-Link
2015-10-04T22:33:13 < Tectu> because it´s faster than STLink
2015-10-04T22:33:15 < Tectu> any experiences?
2015-10-04T22:34:07 < zyp> they?
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2015-10-04T22:34:45 < Tectu> Keil people
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2015-10-04T22:34:53 < zyp> yeah, sure
2015-10-04T22:35:05 < Tectu> ?
2015-10-04T22:35:07 < zyp> jlink or ulink is fine if you're using keil
2015-10-04T22:35:08 < ReadError> they didnt try to sell you a ulink2?
2015-10-04T22:35:11 < Steffanx> keil.. no ulink?
2015-10-04T22:35:14 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: yes, semihosting always goes via debugger.
2015-10-04T22:35:21 < Tectu> oh, I might be wrong, it might be ulink
2015-10-04T22:35:24 < Steffanx> hah
2015-10-04T22:35:24 < Tectu> I thought  jlink == ulink
2015-10-04T22:35:31 < Steffanx> segger vs keil
2015-10-04T22:35:32 < zyp> no
2015-10-04T22:35:32 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, ok. thanks!
2015-10-04T22:35:47 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: retargetting lets you route printf etc via whatever means, be it uart or usb vcom or whatever.
2015-10-04T22:35:56 < Tectu> how does ulink perform with OpenOCD?  Also, I assume it cannot be used with STlink Utility stuff?
2015-10-04T22:36:09 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: when software is compiled with semihosting it'll need debugger connected to run.
2015-10-04T22:36:32 < upgrdman> cool
2015-10-04T22:36:35 < PaulFertser> Tectu: ulink me and some other ulink versions have cmsis-dap compliant firmware so they work with OpenOCD.
2015-10-04T22:36:42 < kakimir> somebody sacrifice his/her life to solve debuger mess with one solid inexpensive solution
2015-10-04T22:36:46 < kakimir> please
2015-10-04T22:36:57 < kakimir> and super performance
2015-10-04T22:37:01 < Tectu> PaulFertser, thanks for the insights! Does jlink too?
2015-10-04T22:37:17 < upgrdman> kakimir, i nominate you to be that somebody. ;)
2015-10-04T22:37:40 < PaulFertser> Tectu: no, jlink uses its own protocol but it works for OpenOCD purposes even better as it supports JTAG in addition to SWD, plus there's a yet-to-be-merged code that add SWO capture for jlink.
2015-10-04T22:39:18 < Tectu> so segger wants ~800 USD for a sane version of jlink. wut.
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2015-10-04T22:40:52 < Tectu> ulink... why would I buy a programmer that only works with one IDE - and that IDE even sucks in most aspects
2015-10-04T22:41:02 < zyp> haha
2015-10-04T22:41:42 < kakimir> it cant be that hard
2015-10-04T22:42:24 < Tectu> kakimir, I think the BMP guy who used to hang around here got pretty close in that aspect. But I might be wrong. I am not a debugger guru
2015-10-04T22:42:28 < Steffanx> only one IDE? jlink has a gdb server that works pretty well.
2015-10-04T22:42:37 < Tectu> Steffanx, talking about ulink
2015-10-04T22:42:40 < Steffanx> oh
2015-10-04T22:42:44 < Steffanx> no gdb server for that?
2015-10-04T22:42:51 < Steffanx> except for openocd
2015-10-04T22:42:56 < Tectu> keil forum stuff says that it is keil only
2015-10-04T22:42:58 < Tectu> no other ide
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2015-10-04T22:43:02 < Tectu> and that jlink also does iar and stuff
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2015-10-04T22:43:37 < Tectu> has anybody here ever worked with IAR? How is IAR compared to KEIL?
2015-10-04T22:44:24  * TheSeven works with Eclipse CDT and is happy with it for his purposes
2015-10-04T22:44:26 < PaulFertser> Tectu: just get yourself a jlink clone from ebay :)
2015-10-04T22:44:31 < kakimir> some basic mid range fpga board
2015-10-04T22:44:41 < ReadError> the EDU ones are pretty cheap too
2015-10-04T22:45:25 < PaulFertser> Yes, or that.
2015-10-04T22:45:26 < Tectu> well, I don´t need any other JTAG right now. I work 99.99% with ST stuff and STLink works quite well for me
2015-10-04T22:45:32 < Tectu> they just want to sell me one, that´s all
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2015-10-04T22:49:41 < aadamson> If you haven't tried a jlink, they are *much* faster than stlink (I have an EDU and PRO) wouldn't trade them for anything, and you can use them on all kinds of things - even AVR's if you ever wanted too - yuk
2015-10-04T22:50:18 < Tectu> aadamson, why on earth do you have a jlink pro, if I may ask
2015-10-04T22:50:29 < zyp> because he's pro?
2015-10-04T22:50:52 < aadamson> cuz I do do commercial stuff occasionally and like to be honorable to the licensing.
2015-10-04T22:51:14 < Tectu> so, any experiences with IAR?
2015-10-04T22:51:24 < aadamson> plus the pro can use jflash, the edu has to use jflash-lite
2015-10-04T22:51:28 < aadamson> nope, I do everything in eclipse
2015-10-04T22:51:40 < aadamson> and use the launchpad gcc for arm
2015-10-04T22:53:01 < aadamson> btw, my nickel is get the EDU (real segger).  Their support has been awesome, I even had an EDU die, and they overnighted me a replacement from germany (I"m in the US), and gave me a call tag to ship back my dead one.
2015-10-04T22:53:23 < Tectu> nice
2015-10-04T22:53:45 < Tectu> well, I am a full time student but I do company stuff in my free time (uGFX and crap)
2015-10-04T22:53:47 < PaulFertser> And segger guys communicated with openocd nicely the last time it was necessary, so honouring their license makes sense.
2015-10-04T22:53:49 < Tectu> not sure if I am entitled for EDU
2015-10-04T22:54:01 < Tectu> PaulFertser, thanks for the feedback, glad to hear that
2015-10-04T22:54:06 < Tectu> not sure if Segger wants to sell to uGFX, tho ;)
2015-10-04T22:54:20 < aadamson> *anyone* can buy an EDU and use it, but you'll violate the license if you do commercial with it
2015-10-04T22:54:24 < Tectu> there are quite a few companies on my customers list who switched from emWin to uGFX
2015-10-04T22:54:36 < Tectu> aadamson, I don´t do license violations (intentionally)
2015-10-04T22:55:10 < aadamson> oh, I know, I was mostly answering the question about if you *qualified*, there isn't a *student* proof thing you have to do, etc
2015-10-04T22:55:38 < aadamson> I just ordered the ones I have from Mouser (in the US, they are cheaper than direct by a tiny amount)
2015-10-04T22:55:40 < TheSeven> i.e. personal / nonprofit use is considered EDU
2015-10-04T22:55:41 < Tectu> aadamson, interesting. For everything else I purchased as a student I always had to do the student proofing thing
2015-10-04T22:55:53 < aadamson> yeah, you don't have too.... just order one up
2015-10-04T22:56:00 < aadamson> lots of distributors for them
2015-10-04T22:56:01 < aadamson> etc
2015-10-04T22:56:10 < Tectu> I would contact them to ask about EDU stuff in my case first.
2015-10-04T22:56:47 < aadamson> just note the EDU has a *daily* nagware thing, pops up and makes you click ok, that you understand the license, but it's only once a day and wasn't terrible to deal with
2015-10-04T22:56:50  * TheSeven is still trying to route that trace
2015-10-04T22:57:14 < Tectu> aadamson, thanks for sharing your experience
2015-10-04T22:57:18 < PaulFertser> And you do not feel any difference between EDU and Pro version at all if you're using openocd, no nagging thingies.
2015-10-04T22:57:44 < PaulFertser> No flash breakpoints either.
2015-10-04T22:57:45 < Tectu> PaulFertser, I think Pro is 3x faster than EDU
2015-10-04T22:58:00 < Tectu> aadamson, did you ever use Ethernet stuff? I was always wondering whether anybody on this planet uses an ethernet JTAG
2015-10-04T22:58:04 < Steffanx> and edu is not for commercial use i guess?
2015-10-04T22:58:14 < Steffanx> not even with openocd
2015-10-04T22:58:23 < PaulFertser> Of course. I meant technically.
2015-10-04T22:58:36 < aadamson> nope, haven't used that, but use the connect to a running host all the time, it saved me countless hours of debugging not having to force an error
2015-10-04T22:58:52 < PaulFertser> Tectu: not sure, maximum JTAG clock? It's usually not that important.
2015-10-04T22:59:13 < Tectu> I see
2015-10-04T22:59:14 < Tectu> well, time to leave
2015-10-04T22:59:16 < Tectu> cu folks!
2015-10-04T22:59:23 < PaulFertser> Any debugger can connect to a running host.
2015-10-04T22:59:38 < PaulFertser> Well, in most cases.
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2015-10-04T23:00:57 < aadamson> wasn't the case for a while... both openocd and segger would reset the host one connection, but that got fixed a few month ago (I think in both)
2015-10-04T23:01:26 < aadamson> should say... reset the target on connection... duh :)
2015-10-04T23:02:11 < ReadError> hmm so forgive my nubness
2015-10-04T23:02:28 < ReadError> does that help in circumstances which debugging messes with some task
2015-10-04T23:02:41 < ReadError> so you can wait for it to fault then connect?
2015-10-04T23:03:02 < PaulFertser> aadamson: please report when you see some issue like that the next time.
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2015-10-04T23:03:54 < aadamson> k, will do.  ReadError yes, and cases where you are fairly sure the code is still running, but you'd like to know what its doing or if it's stuck in some *loop* somewhere either forced or not
2015-10-04T23:04:18 < ReadError> I forget what I was doing, but if I ran it with the debugger attached it had issues
2015-10-04T23:04:26 < ReadError> but w/o it was fine
2015-10-04T23:05:23 < zyp> there's a bunch of cases in low power/sleep development where you want to be able to detach and attach the debugger freely without impacting the state of the target
2015-10-04T23:06:38 < aadamson> ReadError, that can happen with SWD pin setup, or lack there of, or if build for semihosting, etc
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2015-10-04T23:08:05 < ReadError> oh, I wasnt sharing the pins
2015-10-04T23:08:13 < aadamson> *or* last time that happened to me, it was the other way around, would run built for debugging, wouldn't when built for release (-Og vs. -Os)... always a tell as indeed I had an ADC value that wasn't initialized
2015-10-04T23:08:15 < ReadError> I cant remember what it was exactly now
2015-10-04T23:08:34 < aadamson> but -Og initialized everything to 0/null, etc and -Os didn't...
2015-10-04T23:08:56 < zyp> everything?
2015-10-04T23:09:02 < aadamson> as using the std periph library and so I had to go look through all the *structinit* routines to see which one I screwed up.
2015-10-04T23:09:37 < ReadError> after messing around with chibios it would be very hard to go back to stdperiph
2015-10-04T23:11:03 < aadamson> zyp, question about low power/sleep (or in this case stop).
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2015-10-04T23:11:29 < zyp> yeah?
2015-10-04T23:11:35 < aadamson> on the L1, which has trace, I can leave the debugger attached and everything will run.  on the F0, which doesn't have trace.
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2015-10-04T23:11:37 < aadamson> I can't
2015-10-04T23:11:51 < aadamson> as soon as it goes to sleep?stop, I get all kinds of errors...
2015-10-04T23:11:55 < zyp> that doesn't make sense
2015-10-04T23:12:08 < aadamson> haven't spent much timing looking into it, but I suspect that's just the nature of the F0 vs the L1?
2015-10-04T23:12:13 < aadamson> and how SWD works
2015-10-04T23:12:29 < zyp> it sounds like different sleep modes
2015-10-04T23:12:43 < aadamson> hmm... maybe.
2015-10-04T23:12:48 < aadamson> I'll look at that
2015-10-04T23:12:52 < zyp> one that turns off the entire arm core with debugger interface and everything, and one that just halts the cpu
2015-10-04T23:13:03 < aadamson> yeah
2015-10-04T23:13:23 < zyp> I believe both should be able to do either
2015-10-04T23:13:25 < aadamson> both are referenced as *stop* mode, but maybe I'm doing *standby* on the F0, I'll have to look at that
2015-10-04T23:13:43 < zyp> I'm not familiar with the names
2015-10-04T23:14:09 < zyp> I think all the deep sleep stuff is vendor defined, and thus vendor and family dependant
2015-10-04T23:14:19 < aadamson> stop is supposed to be ram live, cpu halt, standby is ram not live (if I remember right)
2015-10-04T23:14:21 < zyp> i.e. not part of the ARM core itself
2015-10-04T23:14:33 < aadamson> ah... ok, that make sense.
2015-10-04T23:14:48 < aadamson> I'll have to look and see if ST's *stop* mode keep the swd active
2015-10-04T23:14:55 < aadamson> as that's what complaining with errors
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2015-10-04T23:15:22 < PaulFertser> aadamson: there're some additional bits that if enabled keep some debug portions powered in sleep modes. I think now OpenOCD comes with configs that do set those bits automatically for L1.
2015-10-04T23:15:31 < zyp> I think also there's some enableable feature that avoids turning off the arm core completely when a debugger is attached
2015-10-04T23:15:43 < zyp> i.e. what PaulFertser just referred to
2015-10-04T23:16:06 < aadamson> yeah, the L1 has always worked (openocd or gdb segger)
2015-10-04T23:16:11 < PaulFertser> Yes, for L1 they're activated in OpenOCD: DBGMCU_CR |= DBG_STANDBY | DBG_STOP | DBG_SLEEP
2015-10-04T23:16:48 < aadamson> ah, ok... yeah, the low power states of the F0 are much different some of the DEBUG stuff isn't even there... I'll ahve to check that
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2015-10-04T23:18:22 < PaulFertser> Proper examine-end handlers were added for all stm32 m3/m4 configs when tracing was implemented. But since f0 has no SWO tracing its config was omitted, probably there're some bits worth setting too in there.
2015-10-04T23:18:55 < aadamson> yeah I just found it I think... duh
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2015-10-04T23:20:14 < aadamson> DBGMCU->CR |= <STOP mode or STANDBY mode>; // keeps the debugginer connection during either specified ... hehe
2015-10-04T23:21:23 < aadamson> I will have to try that :)
2015-10-04T23:21:58 < aadamson> curious what the default is now
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2015-10-04T23:26:30 < ReadError> I need to order some L0s from mouser so may as well grab that EDU too
2015-10-04T23:28:26 < aadamson> bingo, that should do it... thanks all, I knew it had to be something
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2015-10-05T00:15:34 < upgrdman> for semihosting i just need to use --specs=rdimon.specs right? if i printf() in my code, it doesn't work and gdb shows:
2015-10-05T00:15:36 < upgrdman> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
2015-10-05T00:15:36 < upgrdman> 0x0800222e in _swistat ()
2015-10-05T00:15:52 < upgrdman> so i need to call some init function to prepare semihosting?
2015-10-05T00:18:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKGpf1Bb6mo musics
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2015-10-05T00:29:30 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%29 interesting energy numbers
2015-10-05T00:30:15 < upgrdman> nevermind. i didnt know i need to "arm semihosting enable" in openocd. works now.
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2015-10-05T01:10:47 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, iirc you do some work on openocd?
2015-10-05T01:11:11 < upgrdman> is there any drawback to calling "arm semihosting enable" in openocd, even if the firmware doesn't actually use semihosting?
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2015-10-05T01:35:02 < kakimir> which memmory configuration is better for computers 4x4 or 2x8 ?
2015-10-05T01:35:10 < kakimir> ddr4 non-ecc
2015-10-05T01:35:40 < kakimir> is there benefits for paraller memmory units?
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2015-10-05T01:49:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKS1M0X1FWVC1Qc1U/view?usp=sharing
2015-10-05T01:49:41 < kakimir> alternative uses for 528euros?
2015-10-05T02:00:59 < zyp> 2x8 gives you an upgrade path, should you want more in the future
2015-10-05T02:02:55 < zyp> hmm, that processor sounds silly expensive
2015-10-05T02:05:15 < kakimir> it's latest shit
2015-10-05T02:05:30 < kakimir> and under 4W idle
2015-10-05T02:05:34 < kakimir> think about it
2015-10-05T02:05:40 < zyp> yeah sure, but it's an i5
2015-10-05T02:06:02 < zyp> it's twice the price of the i5 I bought two generations ago, which were also the latest shit
2015-10-05T02:06:21 < zyp> did the performance improve enough over two generations to justify a doubled price?
2015-10-05T02:06:58 < kakimir> isn't there like 20% more performance every generation?
2015-10-05T02:07:18 < kakimir> and same amount less power consumption
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2015-10-05T02:07:30 < kakimir> more advanced shiet too
2015-10-05T02:08:35 < zyp> that's not the point
2015-10-05T02:09:15 < kakimir> there is different tax level btw
2015-10-05T02:09:22 < zyp> it's natural that a new cpu today is faster than a cpu in the same class two years ago
2015-10-05T02:09:31 < kakimir> tax + duty here is more
2015-10-05T02:09:59 < zyp> it's not natural that a new cpu today costs twice as much as the older generations did when they were new
2015-10-05T02:10:04 < zyp> more than what?
2015-10-05T02:10:48 < kakimir> uk us etc.
2015-10-05T02:11:15 < kakimir> how do you get i5 for half of that price?
2015-10-05T02:11:18 < zyp> idk, I'm in norway, vat rate here is 25%
2015-10-05T02:11:55 < kakimir> I have never seen i5 below 180-190eur
2015-10-05T02:14:04 < zyp> hmm, my quick head math was a bit off, current exchange rate is a bit higher than I'm used to
2015-10-05T02:14:33 < zyp> I paid around 1700nok, which at the current exchange rate is 180eur, so you're right
2015-10-05T02:15:06 < zyp> even so, that's like only 65% of what you're paying now, that's almost just half
2015-10-05T02:15:32 < zyp> so my point still stands, 279 is way overpriced
2015-10-05T02:16:05 < zyp> it's not like norwegian prices are any better though, my store wants 2995nok for that
2015-10-05T02:17:10 < zyp> I only paid 2560nok for the 3770k I bought three generations ago, also when that was the new cool shit
2015-10-05T02:17:44 < zyp> and the 6700k is 3890nok now
2015-10-05T02:17:45 < kakimir> one I looked for was 249eur and then I realised there had been 2 generation steps since
2015-10-05T02:18:56 < zyp> wait, wat
2015-10-05T02:19:22 < zyp> the same store I bought a 4670 from for 1700nok now wants 2399 for the same processor
2015-10-05T02:19:25 < zyp> wtf
2015-10-05T02:19:38 < zyp> how the fuck did cpus become so expensive?
2015-10-05T02:19:53 < zyp> exchange rate bullshit maybe
2015-10-05T02:21:33 < englishman> i5 is shit, end of story
2015-10-05T02:21:57 < zyp> nah
2015-10-05T02:22:09 < zyp> HT isn't worth that much
2015-10-05T02:22:57 < zyp> I remember I benchmarked my 4670 against my 3770k
2015-10-05T02:23:51 < zyp> 4670 is slightly ahead on singlethreaded performance due to faster cores, slightly behind on multithreaded performance due to lack of HT
2015-10-05T02:24:00 < zyp> but IIRC the difference were only something like 20%
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2015-10-05T03:05:56 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/pNfdtU5.gifv
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2015-10-05T03:06:44 < upgrdman> so kawaii
2015-10-05T03:10:37 < zyp> haha
2015-10-05T03:14:40 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/OsANijA
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2015-10-05T03:55:46 < kakimir> zyp: it's k model so overclockable? maybe that adds price
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2015-10-05T03:59:39 < kakimir> http://media.bestofmicro.com/5/U/516018/original/adobecc-photoshop-light.png
2015-10-05T03:59:56 < kakimir> and it seems that i7 fails at every test
2015-10-05T04:00:09 < kakimir> from bandwidths to practical use
2015-10-05T04:00:19 < kakimir> compared to i5
2015-10-05T04:00:35 < kakimir> it has something to do with threading or something
2015-10-05T04:02:37 < kakimir> you can see that paying +100eur more for 4790k is not really an option
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2015-10-05T04:11:22 < kakimir> i7 wins when it's heavy lifting
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2015-10-05T04:32:37 < dongs> found girlfriend for Laurenceb http://lyndsaywilliams.blogspot.co.uk/
2015-10-05T04:38:07 < PeterM> probably older than his mother
2015-10-05T04:38:38 < PeterM> if she was 50 years younger shed probably be more in Laurenceb s target age range
2015-10-05T04:50:59 < fenugrec> uh... why "1 byte start of packet, 1 byte end of packet" ? USB already specifies packet separation
2015-10-05T04:52:54 < fenugrec> not sure where you got the 18 bytes, but "efficient use of memory" -could- be related to memory alignment in the mcu; but if he's implementing a protocol over a CDC class it's another story
2015-10-05T04:54:20 < fenugrec> and that 18byte chunk gets sent down to a the CDC stack ?
2015-10-05T04:54:55 < fenugrec> (i.e. he's not handcrafting raw USB packets, like the pure-software AVR USB stack does)
2015-10-05T04:56:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, could those dummy bytes be "reserved" for future proofing?
2015-10-05T04:56:17 < fenugrec> yeah... I don't know all the context, but I very much doubt the overhead for packing/unpacking will do a measurable difference
2015-10-05T04:56:31 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-05T04:56:40 < fenugrec> but yes, treating a whole byte usually takes less opcodes than parsing bitfields within bytes
2015-10-05T04:57:18 < fenugrec> but I'd say the checksum is... strange. USB already enforces checksums at a low level
2015-10-05T04:59:59 < fenugrec> well it's all wrapped over a serial protocol - probably for simplicity, for *not* implementing a new class
2015-10-05T05:01:19 < fenugrec> it has advantages. Otherwise, he needs a vendor class / requests, the associated custom drivers on the PC side, etc. But that seems like as much aggravation as manually splitting packets... I've done that for real serial protocols, and yuck.
2015-10-05T05:02:29 < fenugrec> sorry, serial protocol "dissection"
2015-10-05T05:02:29 < englishman> shitty stm32timecube cant even self update
2015-10-05T05:03:52 < fenugrec> I'm not ready to say "non pro", but my 0.02$ is that I would not design a protocol that way; not even close. But I'm not a pro either, so I'm not sure it's what you wanted to hear p-) (but if the guy is a self-proclaimed 'pro', I'm doubly suspicious )
2015-10-05T05:05:17 < fenugrec> mcu RAM limitation; "responsiveness" (i.e. don't need to wait for 100B to come in for a frame)
2015-10-05T05:05:30 < fenugrec> but I know nothing about the application, so...
2015-10-05T05:06:19 < fenugrec> you're (understandably) pissed about the visible 25% waste, but I can assure you the USB proto adds a whole lot more bytes overhead that aren't visible
2015-10-05T05:06:30 < fenugrec> haha, well that's another story
2015-10-05T05:08:15 < fenugrec> your bad packets, are they incomplete reads due to maybe too short timeouts ?
2015-10-05T05:08:31 < fenugrec> there should really never ever be corrupt bytes in there
2015-10-05T05:08:52 < fenugrec> (not talking about his hand-rolled  checksum)
2015-10-05T05:11:01 < fenugrec> yeah, typical 8-bit sum - easy, simple, and protects against mis-framed messages (i.e. you didn't start at the correct byte in the stream), but it's a poor defense against real corruption (i.e. just add 1 to a byte, subtract 1 from another; cks stays the same)
2015-10-05T05:12:54 < fenugrec> I'm not sure how he does his reads at the software level, but if it receives at least 1 OK packet (i.e. it's certain of the packets start + end), there shouldn't ever be bad packets *except* if there's a read timeout, and ReadFile() or whatever returns with less than the requested len
2015-10-05T05:13:48 < fenugrec> plenty of different algos. CRC comes to mind. Usually there's no free lunch - the less bits you dedicate to a checksum (wrt to the total message length), the less guarantees you have
2015-10-05T05:14:08 < fenugrec> i.e. a 32bit CRC for a 12B packet would be overkill, but very solid
2015-10-05T05:16:15 < fenugrec> On a USB link,  no. USB , except isochronous transfers, guarantees error-free data (although you can probably dig up statistics about actual error rates - nothing's infallible).
2015-10-05T05:16:26 < fenugrec> it's redundant
2015-10-05T05:18:07 < zyp> haha
2015-10-05T05:18:12 < fenugrec> haha I don't know !! make the code work as-is, investigate the cause of dropped packets - less work than re-writing a protocol. Better solution is to use fixed-length bulk transfers directly - no framing markers to take care of, no checksum, etc
2015-10-05T05:18:18 < zyp> fenugrec, «guarantees»
2015-10-05T05:18:24 < zyp> that's still just a CRC
2015-10-05T05:18:54 < fenugrec> zyp , well it's what the specs says - but yes, I understand the implications of CRC
2015-10-05T05:19:01 < fenugrec> and I'd say it's more reliable than an 8bit sum ?
2015-10-05T05:19:11 < zyp> sure
2015-10-05T05:20:12 < fenugrec> Have you ever witnessed data corruption on USB ? Ah, I think I have - using a cheapass FS cable with an HS device
2015-10-05T05:20:15 < zyp> and in general I agree with you
2015-10-05T05:21:31 < fenugrec> R2COM  you keep asking about efficiency, but how much data are we really talking about here ? kBps ? MBps ?
2015-10-05T05:21:35 < zyp> might as well use plain bulk and rely on usb framing and checksumming since it exists
2015-10-05T05:21:41 < fenugrec> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
2015-10-05T05:23:02 < zyp> what issues?
2015-10-05T05:23:18 < zyp> both usb and bluetooth includes checksumming
2015-10-05T05:23:31 < zyp> so data corruption is rarely an issue with either
2015-10-05T05:24:29 < fenugrec> R2COM cool - but where are we going with this, is it to prove that his code is inefficient ? yes you're right, there is some waste in there - but due to his choice of CDC, *some* waste is inevitable;
2015-10-05T05:25:00 < zyp> uh, that doesn't even make sense
2015-10-05T05:25:03 < fenugrec> now if the PC software can't deal with interrupted reads / longer timeouts, then that's another probably
2015-10-05T05:25:22 < fenugrec> *problem
2015-10-05T05:25:31 < zyp> ACM is a bytestream protocol, packet boundaries aren't supposed to mean anything, so you can't rely on them
2015-10-05T05:26:35 < fenugrec> bahahah
2015-10-05T05:27:17 < fenugrec> (R2COM no need to press Enter every 2 words - most IRC clients wrap lines properly)
2015-10-05T05:28:08 < zyp> this isn't about usb
2015-10-05T05:28:19 < zyp> that's plain old serial framing
2015-10-05T05:28:24 < fenugrec> ok well that looks mental, but there may be some obscure reason. One pattern is usually to have the packet length encoded in the start marker
2015-10-05T05:28:45 < zyp> fenugrec, start or end bytes and escape patterns for those are also common
2015-10-05T05:28:51 < zyp> again, for serial
2015-10-05T05:29:01 < fenugrec> Your proto is vaguely like software XON/XOFF, too
2015-10-05T05:29:09 < zyp> read up on SLIP for instance
2015-10-05T05:29:10 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Line_Internet_Protocol
2015-10-05T05:29:42 < fenugrec> heheh I used SLIP once in ~2002-ish
2015-10-05T05:30:38 < fenugrec> <fenugrec> R2COM  you keep asking about efficiency, but how much data are we really talking about here ? kBps ? MBps ?
2015-10-05T05:30:57 < zyp> R2COM, you're asking the wrong questions
2015-10-05T05:31:49 < zyp> R2COM, that's what I mean by wrong questions, this isn't about USB at all
2015-10-05T05:32:06 < zyp> you're talking about CDC-ACM which is usb serial emulation
2015-10-05T05:32:20 < zyp> yes
2015-10-05T05:32:32 < fenugrec> It's only about USB if you want to replace CDC with something else (vendor requests, bulk transfers, etc)
2015-10-05T05:32:33 < zyp> if you were doing proper usb, you wouldn't do that bullshit at all
2015-10-05T05:32:38 < fenugrec> ^
2015-10-05T05:33:17 < zyp> let's take this from the basics
2015-10-05T05:33:48 < zyp> async serial is a bytewise protocol, it only transfers bytes, right?
2015-10-05T05:34:11 < zyp> in other words, there's no inherent grouping of bytes into packets or frames or whatever
2015-10-05T05:34:23 < zyp> so you have to do that yourself, this is what's called framing
2015-10-05T05:34:39 < fenugrec> (^ that holds wether you're on an RS232 link or CDC)
2015-10-05T05:35:27 < zyp> when you're doing usb serial, these bytes gets grouped into packets kinda at random, since usb operates packet-wise, and then split apart into bytes again on the other end
2015-10-05T05:35:52 < zyp> so you don't get to utilize the fact that usb is a framed protocol
2015-10-05T05:36:03 < zyp> therefore you need to add another layer of framing
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2015-10-05T05:36:34 < zyp> if you're using plain usb, you can pack usb frames yourself, and then they will arrive as the same frames on the other end
2015-10-05T05:36:56 < zyp> you need a separator, either start or end, doesn't matter which
2015-10-05T05:37:10 < zyp> and you need a way to escape the separator byte when it's actually occuring in the stream
2015-10-05T05:37:21 < zyp> again, look at SLIP for an example
2015-10-05T05:38:27 < fenugrec> Or, what I see a lot (i.e. another method of framing a stream of irregularly-received bytes), is have the first byte of a frame be the "frame length". This avoids the need to escape bytes that could be identical to a start marker
2015-10-05T05:39:28 < fenugrec> i.e. "04 55 04 AA"  would be a frame. First byte (04) gives total frame length (including length byte...)
2015-10-05T05:39:36 < zyp> fenugrec, having an explicit frame separator allows you to regain sync though
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2015-10-05T05:39:58 < zyp> fenugrec, I wouldn't want to rely on staying in sync forever with no way to recover if it's lost
2015-10-05T05:40:26 < zyp> especially as you don't know the state of the other end when you initiate transmission
2015-10-05T05:40:27 < fenugrec> zyp good points, but the protos I've been working with for a few months (car diag bus) enforce all kinds of timeouts for resync
2015-10-05T05:40:56 < fenugrec> In my own defense, I designed none of those protocols p-)
2015-10-05T05:41:16 < fenugrec> (ISO 9141-2, ISO 14230, and their derivatives)
2015-10-05T05:42:17 < fenugrec> hahah
2015-10-05T05:42:20 < zyp> if you're just doing CDC, I wouldn't bother
2015-10-05T05:42:30 < fenugrec> thank you
2015-10-05T05:42:30 < zyp> usb takes care of data integrity for you
2015-10-05T05:42:43 < zyp> if you were doing actual serial, it would be useful
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2015-10-05T05:44:06 < fenugrec> R2COM were you reading what I wrote earlier ? USB, at its lowest level, does CRC for you. Not invincible, like zyp underlined
2015-10-05T05:44:06 < zyp> yeah, every usb frame contains a crc, and if it arrives corrupted, it will be discarded and then resent
2015-10-05T05:44:33 < zyp> just like bluetooth, so you won't see any corruption
2015-10-05T05:45:49 < zyp> for what purpose?
2015-10-05T05:46:41 < zyp> I'm very comfortable with plain usb, so I wouldn't use CDC ACM unless I specifically wanted to do usb serial
2015-10-05T05:47:14 < zyp> i.e. if I'm emulating some legacy serial device or wants to communicate with existing software that talks to serial devices, I would do ACM
2015-10-05T05:47:40 < zyp> no difference
2015-10-05T05:48:02 < zyp> both plain usb and ACM will require a vid/pid combination
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2015-10-05T05:49:21 < zyp> rts/cts is flow control, doesn't have anything to do with framing
2015-10-05T05:49:33 < fenugrec> (R2COM can you press Enter less often p-)
2015-10-05T05:49:43 < zyp> oh, ACM can do rts/cts if you want to
2015-10-05T05:50:04 < zyp> but how do you do framing with that?
2015-10-05T05:50:15 < zyp> ACM is the usb-serial part of CDC
2015-10-05T05:50:50 < zyp> ACM is only one subclass of CDC, CDC also encompasses stuff like ECM, i.e. usb-ethernet
2015-10-05T05:50:52 < fenugrec> At this point you might as well read more about USB.  I'm giving you my best links : http://www.usbmadesimple.co.uk/
2015-10-05T05:51:41 < zyp> ok, that doesn't have anything to do with rts/cts
2015-10-05T05:51:58 < zyp> and if that works over bluetooth, it'll work over ACM too
2015-10-05T05:52:27 < fenugrec> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb20_docs/ , http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/CDC1.2_WMC1.1_012011.zip which you don't really have to read if you just go to the other link
2015-10-05T05:52:48 < zyp> sure, that's possible
2015-10-05T05:54:11 < zyp> this works because each end always knows how much data to expect
2015-10-05T05:54:54 < zyp> and again by assuming that both ends stay in sync
2015-10-05T05:56:08 < zyp> if you exit your host software partway through an exchange, the device will be in the middle of something next time you start the host software, so it'll still assume to finish up what it was doing before
2015-10-05T05:57:17 < zyp> with explicit framing, the device would see the new frame start and go «oh, here comes a new command, better discard this unfinished stuff and get ready for it then»
2015-10-05T05:57:43 < zyp> that's also an option
2015-10-05T05:58:20 < zyp> but I like protocols that doesn't depend on connecting and starting everything in a fixed sequence, stuff that just works is much more user friendly
2015-10-05T06:00:26 < dongs> http://gd3.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i3/TB1IGepIXXXXXbZXVXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_600x600.jpg
2015-10-05T06:00:29 < dongs> openpuu, haha
2015-10-05T06:01:41 < dongs> yeah typical lunix trahs
2015-10-05T06:01:47 < zyp> R2COM, question doesn't make sense, either is equally fine
2015-10-05T06:02:45 < zyp> your frames doesn't need to be a fixed length or anything, you can mix in 16 byte and 1600 byte frames between each other if you want
2015-10-05T06:04:40 < zyp> if you do a frame header containing a length field then you're ultimately limited by the size of the length field, but if length is just any number of bytes between two separators then they can be as long as you want
2015-10-05T06:06:01 < zyp> uh
2015-10-05T06:06:16 < zyp> for any checksumming purpose really
2015-10-05T06:09:58 < zyp> you should reserve two bytes, one as separator and one as escape
2015-10-05T06:10:07 < zyp> say 0xCC and 0xDD
2015-10-05T06:10:52 < zyp> so 0xCC is separator, so if 0xCC exists in actual data, send 0xDD 0xCC
2015-10-05T06:11:01 < zyp> if 0xDD exists in actual data, send 0xDD 0xDD
2015-10-05T06:11:38 < zyp> each one of those gets turned into two
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2015-10-05T06:11:59 < nn7> woohoo!
2015-10-05T06:12:44 < zyp> no, 0xDD 0xCC
2015-10-05T06:13:43 < zyp> then on the receiver you do something like this: if this byte is 0xDD then discard it and don't interpret the next one as frame start
2015-10-05T06:13:56 < zyp> actually, it's better to use a slightly different pattern
2015-10-05T06:14:44 < zyp> on the receiver you can do: if this byte is 0xDD then discard this, then subtract 1 from the next byte
2015-10-05T06:15:08 < zyp> on the sender you do: if this byte is 0xCC or 0xDD, insert 0xDD, then add 1 to original byte and send that
2015-10-05T06:15:41 < zyp> so 0xCC gets turned into 0xDD 0xCD and 0xDD gets turned into 0xDD 0xDE
2015-10-05T06:16:06 < zyp> that way, 0xCC and 0xDD will always mean separator and escape
2015-10-05T06:16:16 < fenugrec> That provides you with the guarantee () that the only time you see CC, it's certain to be a separator
2015-10-05T06:16:31 < zyp> correct
2015-10-05T06:16:49 < zyp> this is why SLIP defines four bytes
2015-10-05T06:17:14 < zyp> although different ones, and they don't use the add 1-pattern
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2015-10-05T06:20:27 < englishman> this should be pretty basic telecommunications for a spacex fpga russian pro
2015-10-05T06:21:45 < zyp> nah, they don't do framing in orcad
2015-10-05T06:25:38 < dongs> sup openpuu~s
2015-10-05T06:25:47 < dongs> so R2COM, feenode banned the nick 'dongs'
2015-10-05T06:25:52 < dongs> if I get disconnected, its done
2015-10-05T06:26:02 < dongs> yep
2015-10-05T06:26:14 < dongs> cuz i went to #feenode-help and asked them to help me recover pasword
2015-10-05T06:26:21 < dongs> politely, at that.
2015-10-05T06:26:23 < zyp> oh no :(
2015-10-05T06:26:55 < dongs> reply from their "support" (which is the fag who banned it): dongs is not currently available, since the troll potential was increased
2015-10-05T06:26:58 < dongs> fairly dramatically due to a recent discussion in #freenode around the nick.
2015-10-05T06:28:42 < fenugrec> how is that going to make a difference. dongs_ or _dongs or whatever permutation would still be available, and equally "offending", no ?
2015-10-05T06:28:52 < dongs> you fuckin tell them
2015-10-05T06:31:34 < PeterM> dongs reg nick MrWang
2015-10-05T06:32:00 < dongs> no, its banned too
2015-10-05T06:35:06 < PeterM> surely dickbutt isnt taken?
2015-10-05T06:35:15 < PeterM> (probably is)
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2015-10-05T06:39:52 < dongs> something from chinatrash arrived
2015-10-05T06:39:56 < dongs> might be cx10c
2015-10-05T06:40:02 < dongs> yes it is
2015-10-05T06:42:10 < dongs> you get to guess!
2015-10-05T06:42:26 < PeterM> Jean-ClaudeVanDamme?
2015-10-05T06:42:57 < englishman> lildongs
2015-10-05T06:43:18 < PeterM> i mean, J-CVD is timecop
2015-10-05T06:43:51 < PeterM> FreenodeSucks_dongs
2015-10-05T06:44:09 < englishman> dongsɛ====D
2015-10-05T06:45:01 < englishman> norweegian døngs
2015-10-05T06:45:29 < PeterM> |)ongs
2015-10-05T06:45:41 < PeterM> bongs
2015-10-05T06:45:48 < englishman> ^
2015-10-05T06:46:45 < PeterM> supertroll reg nick eevblog
2015-10-05T06:48:49 < dongs> more liek vapes
2015-10-05T06:48:50 < dongs> god damn
2015-10-05T06:48:52 < dongs> this cx10 is amazing
2015-10-05T06:48:57 < dongs> super stable
2015-10-05T06:49:03 < dongs> way better than zano
2015-10-05T06:49:04 < dongs> lewl
2015-10-05T06:49:10 < englishman>  stm32 > pic
2015-10-05T06:50:19 < dongs> R2COM: nobody has zano
2015-10-05T06:50:28 < dongs> and even if they do, they cant use it cuz ivan disabled registration in app
2015-10-05T06:50:28 < dongs> LOLZ
2015-10-05T06:50:38 < PeterM> GNAA_Dongs
2015-10-05T06:51:02 < dongs> for a shitty quad the video is VERY SMOOTH
2015-10-05T06:51:02 < dongs> dam
2015-10-05T06:51:05 < dongs> i gotta charge batts tho
2015-10-05T06:51:09 < dongs> stuff came with store charge
2015-10-05T06:51:12 < dongs> YOU KNOW THE RIGHT WAY
2015-10-05T06:51:18 < dongs> not the Zano way of shipping fully discharged
2015-10-05T06:57:18 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/2tAIS
2015-10-05T06:58:26 < dongs> cool, i got a bunch of dongs-related nicks
2015-10-05T06:58:45 < dongs> grouped them all into one account
2015-10-05T07:01:17 < dongs> wooh, charged
2015-10-05T07:01:36 < PeterM> was quick
2015-10-05T07:02:24 < jadew> they already made zano clones?
2015-10-05T07:02:25 < jadew> wth?
2015-10-05T07:02:39 < jadew> did they ship?
2015-10-05T07:02:44 < jadew> are there reviews available yet?
2015-10-05T07:02:44 < PeterM> no, zano is a clone + features that dont work
2015-10-05T07:03:18 < dongs> k recorded some vid
2015-10-05T07:03:19 < dongs> lets see
2015-10-05T07:03:20 < jadew> heh
2015-10-05T07:03:38 < jadew> dongs, you bought that thing?
2015-10-05T07:03:38 < dongs> wow its mjpeg
2015-10-05T07:03:49 < dongs> almost like zano!!11
2015-10-05T07:07:01 < upgrdman> shit. finally managed to use up my 16GB of ram. swapping like mad. fuck.
2015-10-05T07:07:10 < dongs> lunid
2015-10-05T07:07:12 < dongs> lunix
2015-10-05T07:07:15 < upgrdman> no
2015-10-05T07:07:43 < upgrdman> but os x + windows 7 vm + linux vm + os x el fapitan vm ... brings this laptop to its knees
2015-10-05T07:07:43 < jadew> some db?
2015-10-05T07:07:53 < jadew> ah
2015-10-05T07:08:05 < jadew> I never got used to using VMs
2015-10-05T07:08:21 < upgrdman> vm's are awesome. no joke.
2015-10-05T07:08:22 < jadew> I do occasionally, but only to run stuff I don't trust enough
2015-10-05T07:08:31 < upgrdman> if i was religious, i'd call VMs a gift from god
2015-10-05T07:08:42 < englishman> jadew its only like $26
2015-10-05T07:08:57 < upgrdman> snapshots alone make VMs fucking gold
2015-10-05T07:09:07 < jadew> englishman, the tiny quadcopter?
2015-10-05T07:09:13 < englishman> ya
2015-10-05T07:09:17 < englishman> the non camera one is like $15
2015-10-05T07:09:48 < englishman> http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX-10C-CX10C-Mini-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-with-Camera-RTF-p-989909.html
2015-10-05T07:09:54 < Getty> https://twitter.com/sadserver/status/604670681821749249 LOL
2015-10-05T07:11:16 < dongs> jeeeeeez
2015-10-05T07:11:18 < dongs> youtube completely raped it
2015-10-05T07:11:20 < dongs> what hte hell
2015-10-05T07:13:00 < jadew> dongs, link?
2015-10-05T07:19:52 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: no, there's no harm to always enable semihosting.
2015-10-05T07:20:08 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-05T07:20:44 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, so any reason why it isn't always enabled? slight overhead?
2015-10-05T07:22:18 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: no overhead. Probably it was not made default just because it was added later than the other code.
2015-10-05T07:22:33 < upgrdman> cool
2015-10-05T07:23:19 < jpa-> well, if the target detects semihosting and just skips the debug prints otherwise, then there is overhead of enabling it:P
2015-10-05T07:25:44 < upgrdman> i thought targets have no way of detecting it?
2015-10-05T07:26:42 < jpa-> hm, not sure
2015-10-05T07:28:16 < jpa-> i guess you are right, so ignore what i said :P
2015-10-05T07:28:33 < jadew> englishman, that's cool
2015-10-05T07:28:35 < jadew> gonna get one
2015-10-05T07:29:40 < jpa-> or maybe it just passes the SVC to the interrupt handler if no debugger breaks on it?
2015-10-05T07:30:43 < jadew> upgrdman, is banggood trustworthy?
2015-10-05T07:30:59 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2015-10-05T07:31:01 < jadew> I bet they bought the domain name from the porn industry
2015-10-05T07:31:16 < upgrdman> but i bought that almight flight sim dongle, still waiting for it to arrive
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2015-10-05T07:31:38 < upgrdman> funny, cause i own a legit copy of phoenix sim, but it's dongle is huge and ugly
2015-10-05T07:31:59 < upgrdman> and the stupid wire-wart-wire kind
2015-10-05T07:32:31 < jadew> that's pretty cool
2015-10-05T07:32:49 < jadew> much better than flying the actual thing :P
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2015-10-05T07:41:28 < dongs> jadew: hold on
2015-10-05T07:41:50 < dongs> damn
2015-10-05T07:41:54 < dongs> youtube and handbrake both rape it
2015-10-05T07:41:58 < dongs> plays fine in mplayerc
2015-10-05T07:41:59 < dongs> hmmmm
2015-10-05T07:42:16 < jadew> dropbox?
2015-10-05T07:42:20 < dongs> ... wat
2015-10-05T07:42:21 < upgrdman> mplayer? open sores faggot
2015-10-05T07:42:31 < dongs> mplayerc
2015-10-05T07:42:35 < jadew> I'm getting dangerously excited about flying devices
2015-10-05T07:42:35 < dongs> media player classic
2015-10-05T07:42:36 < dongs> windows app
2015-10-05T07:42:46 < jadew> I can't fit another hobby in my life
2015-10-05T07:43:48 < jadew> or maybe I can, it would be another good reason to buy a lathe
2015-10-05T07:43:55 < dongs> okay
2015-10-05T07:43:57 < dongs> this should work
2015-10-05T07:44:19 < dongs> 2 minutes remaing
2015-10-05T07:47:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHxEH74n5g
2015-10-05T07:48:44 < jadew> you should monetize it
2015-10-05T07:49:10 < jadew> interesting, after watching your video, this was suggested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y3bRjH059g
2015-10-05T07:49:13 < jadew> YouTube: InterBEE 2014 4K 大道芸人ハッピースマイルみきのパフォーマンス [grass valley]
2015-10-05T07:50:01 < jadew> sailor moon playing with a broom
2015-10-05T07:50:17 < upgrdman> dongs, nice dry erase board. lol
2015-10-05T07:50:57 < jadew> looks just like mine
2015-10-05T07:51:21 < jadew> except mine is clean
2015-10-05T07:51:57 < upgrdman> its always intriguing to see other peoples labs.
2015-10-05T07:52:04 < jadew> I know :)
2015-10-05T07:52:28 < upgrdman> dongs, you need to invite the google maps people into your lab so they can 360 photo it
2015-10-05T07:52:29 < jadew> especially since almost everyone's lab is nicer than mine
2015-10-05T07:56:06 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP9PXWvYvag
2015-10-05T07:56:09 < jadew> YouTube: AfroESC 400Hz PWM input/response test
2015-10-05T07:56:19 < jadew> dongs, what's the point of the bubble wrap?
2015-10-05T07:57:02 < upgrdman> yay my new phone has 4k video.
2015-10-05T07:57:09 < upgrdman> time to 4k all the things
2015-10-05T07:57:20 < upgrdman> err i dont have the phone yet, but when i get it
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2015-10-05T08:05:45 < PeterM> upgrdman, what phone?
2015-10-05T08:05:58 < upgrdman> dixus 5x
2015-10-05T08:06:11 < PeterM> o
2015-10-05T08:06:11 < upgrdman> https://www.google.com/nexus/5x/
2015-10-05T08:06:14 < PeterM> y
2015-10-05T08:06:19 < upgrdman> y not
2015-10-05T08:06:37 < PeterM> because barely an improvement over dixus 5 but you pay $380 agaion for it
2015-10-05T08:07:38 < upgrdman> well i have a dixus4 right now
2015-10-05T08:07:42 < upgrdman> so a big improvement
2015-10-05T08:07:45 < PeterM> true
2015-10-05T08:07:54 < PeterM> dixus 4 was garbage even when it came otu though
2015-10-05T08:08:02 < upgrdman> not really
2015-10-05T08:08:17 < PeterM> yes
2015-10-05T08:09:09 < upgrdman> how so
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2015-10-05T08:09:31 < upgrdman> also: consider the price of the phone outright
2015-10-05T08:09:50 < upgrdman> contracts that factor it into your monthly bill are shit
2015-10-05T08:09:53 < PeterM> s3 > nexus 4
2015-10-05T08:10:03 < upgrdman> price of s3?
2015-10-05T08:10:06 < PeterM> i buy all my phones outright, its cheraper than carrier subsidy
2015-10-05T08:10:12 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-05T08:10:18 < PeterM> at the time they were within $30 of each other
2015-10-05T08:10:38 < PeterM> also, if you fuck a phone on a contract, you're still on a contract, but now you got a fucked phone
2015-10-05T08:10:55 < upgrdman> well right now, anything better than the dixus 5x for the price?
2015-10-05T08:11:07 < upgrdman> and i want 4k video.
2015-10-05T08:12:11 < PeterM> at moment, dixus 5x is like $380 us right?
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2015-10-05T08:14:18 < PeterM> i'd sasy the nexus 6 is probably better value at the moment, because nexus 6p announcement made nexus 6 price plummeet
2015-10-05T08:14:35 < upgrdman> 4k?
2015-10-05T08:15:40 < upgrdman> hmm yes 4k
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2015-10-05T08:18:11 < PeterM> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nexus-6-XT1103-Latest-Model-32GB-Unlocked-Smartphone/171945826282 sold out yesterday :(
2015-10-05T08:22:26 < dongs> out of dong
2015-10-05T08:22:39 < dongs> fuck nexus6 tho
2015-10-05T08:25:01 < emeb_mac> you need an iPohne.
2015-10-05T08:25:11 < upgrdman> ipony
2015-10-05T08:25:17 < emeb_mac> iPwn
2015-10-05T08:25:26 < PeterM> i was pretty anti nexus6 because when they were released were stupid spensive
2015-10-05T08:25:35 < PeterM> but now they're cheap, they're pretty decent
2015-10-05T08:25:49 < dongs> too heavy
2015-10-05T08:25:51 < dongs> 5x is better
2015-10-05T08:26:02 < dongs> zyp , arcin ships tomrorw
2015-10-05T08:26:35 < emeb_mac> I got an LG Optimus for $20. Not unlocked tho.
2015-10-05T08:27:38 < PeterM> i just dont see why a 2013 5.2" lg g2 can have a 3000mah abttery but a 2015 dixus 5x is still only 2700
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2015-10-05T08:28:53 < upgrdman> is one processor or display more power hungry?
2015-10-05T08:29:19 < upgrdman> 10% smaller battery might be fine if it draws >90% of what a g2 does, etc.
2015-10-05T08:29:27 < upgrdman> * <90%
2015-10-05T08:31:05 < dongs> We detected your video may be shaky. Would you like us to stabilize it? [ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] Send to Torquing Group HPC
2015-10-05T08:31:42 < dongs> PeterM: i also duno why it charges so fast
2015-10-05T08:31:58 < dongs> when it was store-charged, the charger was drawing 450mA
2015-10-05T08:32:11 < dongs> i think the battery is like 200mAh or so, so its charging it at liek2-3C
2015-10-05T08:33:00 < PeterM> dongs nifty
2015-10-05T08:33:09 < PeterM> i mean tiny batts are cheap anyway
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2015-10-05T08:57:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRgDZ5jkJI
2015-10-05T09:02:32 < jadew> dongs, tjat
2015-10-05T09:02:48 < jadew> that's with the $20 quadcopter?
2015-10-05T09:02:50 < dongs> yes
2015-10-05T09:02:58 < jadew> not bad
2015-10-05T09:03:01 < dongs> indeed
2015-10-05T09:03:10 < jadew> how long does it fly?
2015-10-05T09:03:19 < dongs> like 3 minutes? lol
2015-10-05T09:03:20 < dongs> with camera
2015-10-05T09:04:03 < jadew> too bad
2015-10-05T09:05:11 < jadew> I wonder how much current you can get from those small tritium batteries
2015-10-05T09:05:39 < jadew> I bet it's close to nothing tho
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2015-10-05T09:18:11 < PeterM> dongs looks much better around your place with grass and the trees and shit
2015-10-05T09:18:38 < dongs> m,uchbberrter than wat, older vids?
2015-10-05T09:18:57 < PeterM> yer
2015-10-05T09:19:34 < PeterM> or is that just the seasonal difference?
2015-10-05T09:19:38 < dongs> i think jhust that
2015-10-05T09:19:42 < dongs> i had that shit around since beginning
2015-10-05T09:20:21 < PeterM> could also be the deceptively bad footage
2015-10-05T09:20:58 < dongs> yes that too
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2015-10-05T09:58:06 < qyx> dat color
2015-10-05T09:58:11 < dongs> dat $28
2015-10-05T09:58:33 < qyx> oh, that's not zano?
2015-10-05T09:58:49 < qyx> i see
2015-10-05T09:58:53 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/2tAIS ya its  this
2015-10-05T10:02:56 < Roklobsta> well that was quick
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2015-10-05T10:12:57 < dongs> http://40.media.tumblr.com/a56b426a251418a4100d7095dc5a54a1/tumblr_nsk1kfoJGg1srjwkeo1_500.jpg yesss
2015-10-05T10:23:19 < ReadError> god damn dongs
2015-10-05T10:23:21 < ReadError> that roll rate tho
2015-10-05T10:23:26 < dongs> yep
2015-10-05T10:23:32 < dongs> feer
2015-10-05T10:23:36 < ReadError> roll button?
2015-10-05T10:23:41 < dongs> yes, in any direction
2015-10-05T10:23:47 < ReadError> it uses cellphone?
2015-10-05T10:23:58 < dongs> no just the standard cheerson tx
2015-10-05T10:24:01 < ReadError> ahh
2015-10-05T10:24:03 < dongs> just has extra 2 butons for take pic + take vid
2015-10-05T10:24:10 < dongs> otherwise same mold
2015-10-05T10:24:29 < ReadError> wonder if they made progress on the devo 7e control for em
2015-10-05T10:24:53 < dongs> i cant fly these liek a pro until i get reversed yaw
2015-10-05T10:25:03 < dongs> so if there's a turdanis module for these I'll be all over it
2015-10-05T10:25:06 < ReadError> ya the devo could do that
2015-10-05T10:25:15 < ReadError> its super small and cute
2015-10-05T10:25:25 < ReadError> well not tiny but like comfortable
2015-10-05T10:32:57 < dongs> http://www.avwirelesstransmitter.com/sale-4147638-screw-pinhole-mini-cctv-camera-5-0-megapixel-600tvl-philips-3299-sensor.html wat
2015-10-05T10:33:50 < Simon--> 5Mpix 600TVL pinhole eh
2015-10-05T10:33:57 < dongs> zano-quliaty
2015-10-05T10:40:11 < ReadError> i have some of those
2015-10-05T10:40:14 < ReadError> w/ a diff lense
2015-10-05T10:40:24 < ReadError> ~10$ china
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2015-10-05T10:53:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzsLkbwi1LA
2015-10-05T10:58:15 < PeterM> [18:33] <Simon--> 5Mpix 600TVL peehole eh
2015-10-05T10:58:21 < PeterM> fixt
2015-10-05T11:05:33 < ReadError> dongs isnt there supposed to be some good feature in altidumb re: adding parts to pcb from schematic
2015-10-05T11:05:42 < ReadError> I see how to do it w/ a ton of checkboxes
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2015-10-05T11:32:47 < ReadError> Dear friend,how are you recently?This is Kermy from China,now I would like to contact you and show you something new. Now I have built a new relationship with the mobile phone usb cable company,I would like to open the market with you,I can provide you with all kinds of new cable,and I can provide OEM service to you,if you need any kind of cable,please contact me.. Further more ,I will recommend
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2015-10-05T11:32:58 < ReadError> lol some seller on aliexpress messaged me this?
2015-10-05T11:34:47 < Tectu> this morning I got contacted by random skype contact named ´Maria´ who was obviously 25/f and tried to make me do webcam stuff and gave me some bit.ly link to see her naked
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2015-10-05T11:37:23 < ReadError> did you add a '+' at the end of the link to see what its about?
2015-10-05T11:37:43 < ReadError> and how many suckers clicked it
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2015-10-05T13:00:02 < emeryth> and a zano to you
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2015-10-05T14:27:03 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zano+outdoor
2015-10-05T14:29:20 < PeterM> nice
2015-10-05T14:32:10 < Sync> kek
2015-10-05T14:34:51 < Laurenceb> looks like dongs house
2015-10-05T14:35:09 < Laurenceb> is this dongs cam?
2015-10-05T14:36:02 < dongs> its CX-10C
2015-10-05T14:36:15 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-10-05T14:36:30 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/2tAIS http://imgur.com/a/5RHHs
2015-10-05T14:37:03 < Laurenceb> lol laser etching
2015-10-05T14:37:35 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/W3mySaK.png
2015-10-05T14:37:43 < Laurenceb> does it record to uSd or something?
2015-10-05T14:37:44 < ReadError> what the heck does that red/green line in the middle mean
2015-10-05T14:37:51 < ReadError> it just seems to point off to a random spot
2015-10-05T14:38:35 < dongs> what redgreen line
2015-10-05T14:38:47 < ReadError> oh its the center of the spot between w/e it connects to
2015-10-05T14:39:08 < ReadError> see the red line in the 3d body
2015-10-05T14:39:12 < ReadError> going to between 61/62
2015-10-05T14:39:53 < dongs> is it not some alignment shit?
2015-10-05T14:41:09 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvFwDy5KDs fucking japs
2015-10-05T14:41:12 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/AhTWYhQ.png
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2015-10-05T14:41:18 < ReadError> hmm nah its not the center either
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2015-10-05T14:50:05 < PeterM> dongs if only there were some way ot directly usae the fuels burning to provide energy...
2015-10-05T14:50:13 < PeterM> maybe if you burnt the fuel internally...
2015-10-05T14:50:25 < PeterM> yeah... internal combustion... i feel in the future this might be a thing...
2015-10-05T14:51:14 < Sync> basically the same
2015-10-05T14:52:12 < PeterM> yeah
2015-10-05T14:52:15 < PeterM> basically
2015-10-05T14:52:24 < PeterM> it'll never catch on
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2015-10-05T14:57:44 < zyp> dongs, ok, cool
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2015-10-05T15:43:27 < Laurenceb> ok wtf
2015-10-05T15:43:54 < Laurenceb> I have a datalogger pcb where the f1 always develops a 2µA leakage into the WKUP pin
2015-10-05T15:44:08 < Laurenceb> something is wrong... but what
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2015-10-05T15:50:05 < Laurenceb> anyone got any ideas ?
2015-10-05T15:50:13 < Laurenceb> I'm out of ideas :-/
2015-10-05T15:50:36 < Sync> esd damage?
2015-10-05T15:50:54 < Laurenceb> but why always the same board
2015-10-05T15:51:05 < Laurenceb> maybe excessive voltage going into one of the pins
2015-10-05T15:51:13 < Laurenceb> it takes about 2 weeks to show up
2015-10-05T15:51:23 < Laurenceb> so i replace the stm32f1, and everything is ok
2015-10-05T15:51:33 < Laurenceb> then 2 weeks later the leakage begins
2015-10-05T15:51:35 < Sync> flux getting conductive?
2015-10-05T15:52:14 < Laurenceb> unlikely
2015-10-05T15:52:20 < Laurenceb> I have hundreds of these boards
2015-10-05T15:52:33 < Laurenceb> only one with this issue, but I'd like to find out why
2015-10-05T15:52:44 < Sync> hmm
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2015-10-05T15:55:58 < Laurenceb> I'll have to probe all the pins :-s
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2015-10-05T16:00:14 < Laurenceb> but theres nothing wrong
2015-10-05T16:00:16 < Laurenceb> grrrr
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2015-10-05T16:07:35 < ReadError> must be something to where its plugged in ?
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2015-10-05T16:09:49 < Laurenceb> nah I've had it sitting on my desk
2015-10-05T16:09:51 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-10-05T16:09:59 < Laurenceb> its probably related to sleep state
2015-10-05T16:10:18 < Laurenceb> as thats what its been doing
2015-10-05T16:10:24 < Laurenceb> maybe VDDA is too low
2015-10-05T16:10:41 < Laurenceb> it seems to be 55mV lower than VDD
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2015-10-05T16:29:52 < dongs> well
2015-10-05T16:29:54 < dongs> it would be
2015-10-05T16:30:02 < dongs> if youre running it through a ferrite bead or similar
2015-10-05T16:30:05 < dongs> as per reference schematic
2015-10-05T16:30:06 < dongs> but.
2015-10-05T16:30:12 < dongs> i doubt that would cause what youre seeing
2015-10-05T16:31:07 < Sync> ye
2015-10-05T16:40:34 < dongs> ShopZanO.rip $19.99
2015-10-05T16:40:35 < scrts2> sup lads?
2015-10-05T16:40:41 < mtbg> hi
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2015-10-05T16:47:26 < dongs> zano.rip is available!     $19.99
2015-10-05T16:47:46 < dongs> dono if i should waste $20
2015-10-05T16:47:53 < dongs> they'll be gone before the domain expires
2015-10-05T16:48:47 < Sync> doeet
2015-10-05T16:53:13 < scrts2> do they have .fail domains?
2015-10-05T16:53:36 < scrts2> gettingpenishard.fail would have potential in pharmaceutical industry
2015-10-05T16:54:11 < Laurenceb> I'm not
2015-10-05T16:54:11 < dongs> pretty sure
2015-10-05T16:54:16 < Laurenceb> I'm using a diode
2015-10-05T16:54:34 < Laurenceb> ok checked some other boards, its around 48mV drop on all my boards
2015-10-05T16:54:45 < dongs> diode?
2015-10-05T16:54:45 < dongs> on wat
2015-10-05T16:54:47 < Laurenceb> maybe I have a new batch of F1
2015-10-05T16:54:48 < dongs> VCC to VDDA?
2015-10-05T16:54:50 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-10-05T16:54:53 < dongs> ...
2015-10-05T16:54:55 < dongs> for wat
2015-10-05T16:55:06 < Laurenceb> there is a FET to short it out once the board powers up
2015-10-05T16:55:16 < dongs> o rite i remember you saying some shit about this
2015-10-05T16:55:22 < Laurenceb> power supply sequencing, to get the current draw down
2015-10-05T16:55:22 < dongs> some hack for <reasons>
2015-10-05T16:55:23 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-10-05T16:55:33 < dongs> well good luck wiht that!111
2015-10-05T16:55:36 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-05T16:55:42 < Laurenceb> well it is within spec
2015-10-05T16:56:14 < Laurenceb> maybe there is something else wrong.. this issue seems to be board specific
2015-10-05T16:58:52 < Laurenceb> wtf stupid multimeter
2015-10-05T16:59:15 < Laurenceb> ok I was wrong, some perman00b loaded the wrong diode into the pick and place somehow
2015-10-05T16:59:22 < Laurenceb> 90mV drop
2015-10-05T16:59:28 < Laurenceb> might explain why this board fails
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2015-10-05T17:00:07 < Laurenceb> time to remove PCB from heat staked enclosure :S
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2015-10-05T17:14:53 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/famp9nN.jpg attn Laurenceb
2015-10-05T17:15:19 < Laurenceb> dongs is on epicfail.com
2015-10-05T17:15:27 < dongs> no im not
2015-10-05T17:15:32 < Laurenceb> are so
2015-10-05T17:15:41 < Laurenceb> also shopped
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2015-10-05T17:42:22 < Tectu> is Mr. dongs available or is he doing the sleep thing?
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2015-10-05T17:45:23 < dongs> more like doing the fap thing
2015-10-05T17:45:24 < dongs> sup
2015-10-05T17:45:30 < dongs> butr responses might be delayed
2015-10-05T17:47:39 < Tectu> dongs, back to Keil:  When you compile something, at the end you get a summar:  X Errors, Y Warnings. Do I really have to use Ctrl+F to get to the actual errors?
2015-10-05T17:47:59 < Tectu> dongs, in the error:  line you can just double click and it jumps to the source code, but finding that line in the output text is quite a bitch
2015-10-05T17:49:06 < dongs> src\main.c(50): error:  #20: identifier "cock" is undefined
2015-10-05T17:49:12 < dongs> double click, goes right to it
2015-10-05T17:49:14 < dongs> what aree you talkin about?
2015-10-05T17:49:33 < dongs> ctrl+f works in that window too
2015-10-05T17:49:35 < jpa-> Tectu: what other text you get than errors & warnings?
2015-10-05T17:49:37 < dongs> if you have that many files
2015-10-05T17:49:47 < dongs> jpa, compiled filenames i guess
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2015-10-05T17:49:51 < dongs> im not really sure what is confusing to him
2015-10-05T17:49:51 < jpa-> ah
2015-10-05T17:50:04 < jpa-> maybe not enough colors and blinky lights
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2015-10-05T17:52:36 < Tectu> ".\objs\xxxx.axf" - 13 Error(s), 58 Warning(s).
2015-10-05T17:52:43 < Tectu> at the end you see that ^
2015-10-05T17:52:52 < Tectu> now I have to find those 13 errors so I can double click on them.
2015-10-05T17:52:58 < jpa-> why is your code so broken
2015-10-05T17:53:03 < Tectu> which is a tedious task (using ctrl+f)
2015-10-05T17:53:12 < Tectu> jpa-, I have an existing project and I am stripping it down.
2015-10-05T17:53:16 < dongs> ctrl+f that window for "error"?
2015-10-05T17:53:42 < jpa-> in an open sores ide you would just scroll until you see red text
2015-10-05T17:54:26 < Tectu> dongs, that is what I am doing. I am asking whether there is a different solutino (eg. get list of just errors like QtCreator does)
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2015-10-05T17:54:39 < Tectu> jpa-, which would be a lot easier than the current approach IMHO
2015-10-05T17:54:46 < Tectu> (current as in keil)
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2015-10-05T17:54:58 < jpa-> yeah, closed sores always suck, right?
2015-10-05T17:55:17 < gxti> it's C or whatever, you can forget a semicolon and get 500 errors
2015-10-05T17:55:23 < gxti> only the first one ever matters
2015-10-05T17:56:11 < jpa-> doesn't seem to happen all that often with C nowadays
2015-10-05T17:56:12 < Tectu> jpa-   >__>
2015-10-05T17:59:57 < upgrdman_> right now a bunch of magic numbers are stores in a fuck ton of #defines. seems like a struct would be better. is there any way to make a constant stuct that is defined in the declaration?
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2015-10-05T18:02:08 < gxti> upgrdman_: const struct {int x;} = {1};
2015-10-05T18:02:37 < Tectu> dongs, you use Keil regularly, right? What do you like so much about ti?
2015-10-05T18:02:38 < Tectu> it*
2015-10-05T18:04:04 < upgrdman_> gxti, :/ damn. was hoping for a cleaner way to define the elements in the declaration.
2015-10-05T18:04:59 < gxti> you can do {.x = 1... etc} but if you were hoping to only have one {} then the answer is no
2015-10-05T18:05:11 < upgrdman_> ya. ok fair enough.
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2015-10-05T18:09:08 < karlp> gotta define the struct before you define the instance of it dude
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2015-10-05T18:09:44 < jpa-> upgrdman_: why would a struct be better than #defines?
2015-10-05T18:09:50 < jpa-> defines being compile-time etc.
2015-10-05T18:10:16 < karlp> potentially nicer completion and typing and ctrl-clicking in uis and easier to find the related grouped constants without remembering #define prefixes?
2015-10-05T18:10:33 < jpa-> ok, makes sense
2015-10-05T18:10:40 < gxti> preprocessor is a gross hack that is pragmatically useful
2015-10-05T18:10:51 < upgrdman_> ya what karlp said
2015-10-05T18:11:05 < upgrdman_> and just seems a bit cleaner to group into structs
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2015-10-05T18:13:10 < jpa-> with c++ and constexpr you could define the values as static members
2015-10-05T18:13:46 < gxti> yeah constexpr would actually make this useful. const is sort of like a "i promise i probably won't change this" but the compiler can't really take advantage of it.
2015-10-05T18:14:46 < jpa-> in C, static const in a header would probably give the same optimization benefits.. with the downside that stupid compilers may make extra copies of variable..
2015-10-05T18:15:04 < dongs> < Tectu> dongs, you use Keil regularly, right? What do you like so much about ti?
2015-10-05T18:15:07 < dongs> 00:02 < Tectu> it*
2015-10-05T18:15:10 < dongs> it works
2015-10-05T18:16:05 < Tectu> So did concentration camps yet people decided stop doing it
2015-10-05T18:16:24 < Sync> not all of them
2015-10-05T18:16:35 < Tectu> :/
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2015-10-05T18:33:05 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a1f_1444038137 RIP R2COM
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2015-10-05T18:33:17 < dongs> (attn upgrdman_ )
2015-10-05T18:33:42 < upgrdman_> thx. will check out tonight. liveleak at work may not be a good idea :)
2015-10-05T18:33:46 < dongs> lewl
2015-10-05T18:34:01 < karlp> how the fuck did he drown?
2015-10-05T18:34:11 < karlp> car window down before river crossing numbnuts
2015-10-05T18:34:16 < dongs> yeah, exactly
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2015-10-05T18:35:11 < dongs> but yeah i guess its kinda hard to open doors
2015-10-05T18:35:13 < dongs> with water outside
2015-10-05T18:36:18 < Tectu> I can´t get rid of the feeling that the structure visible at the left side of the video would be a bridge...
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2015-10-05T18:37:57 < Steffann> But KEEP FILMING
2015-10-05T18:38:11 < karlp> probbaly didn't know there was a problem straight away
2015-10-05T18:38:22 < dongs> what exactly are they gonna do
2015-10-05T18:38:23 < Steffann> Yeah probably
2015-10-05T18:38:26 < dongs> jump in and ???
2015-10-05T18:38:43 < Steffann> Nothing but keep filming :P
2015-10-05T18:42:57 < Steffann> This channel wouldnt exist without those videos
2015-10-05T18:43:46 < dongs> hoepfully something in that car was running off stm32
2015-10-05T18:44:28 < Tectu> propbably µGAY
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2015-10-05T20:23:42 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-10-05T20:24:00 < Laurenceb> there is a transistor jammed inside one of the connectors on my faulty pcb
2015-10-05T20:24:04 < Laurenceb> that cant be helping
2015-10-05T20:33:32 < Laurenceb> hmf
2015-10-05T20:33:46  * Laurenceb wonders if its worth spending ages replacing the F1 again
2015-10-05T20:33:55 < Laurenceb> then waiting 2 weeks for problem to reoccur
2015-10-05T20:34:01 < Laurenceb> maybe ST could help :-S
2015-10-05T20:34:35 < Tectu> pic of transistor in connector
2015-10-05T20:34:38 < Tectu> now!
2015-10-05T20:35:25 < Laurenceb> taken it out now
2015-10-05T20:35:26 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-05T20:35:47 < Laurenceb> looks like something went majorly wrong with the pick and place
2015-10-05T20:36:04 < Laurenceb> maybe i should just compare the whole board and see if i can spot any errors
2015-10-05T20:37:55 < Laurenceb> the leakage is really weird
2015-10-05T20:38:01 < Laurenceb> its very noisy
2015-10-05T20:45:05 < Laurenceb> I know, maybe I'm frying the WKUP pin
2015-10-05T20:46:34 < Laurenceb> thats probably it
2015-10-05T20:47:20 < Laurenceb> looks like the pick and place clusterfucked and theres probably swapped components causing >3.3v into WKUP on USB jack insertion
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2015-10-05T23:11:00 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
2015-10-05T23:11:21 < Sync> trolling
2015-10-05T23:11:25 < Laurenceb__> so, how much energy does it take to fry an ESD protection diode?
2015-10-05T23:11:48 < Sync> not too much
2015-10-05T23:13:36 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552154/Woman-jailed-trolling-HERSELF-24-year-old-bombarded-Facebook-page-fake-abuse-bid-incriminate-estranged-family.html
2015-10-05T23:13:41 < Laurenceb__> scroll down for photo
2015-10-05T23:14:39 < Sync> wat
2015-10-05T23:14:53 < Laurenceb__> obvious troll is obvious
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2015-10-05T23:35:05 < Steffanx> Better fix your troll detector.
2015-10-05T23:35:14 < Steffanx> i bet she's dead serious
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2015-10-06T00:15:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw5pi9nUGJ8
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2015-10-06T00:30:16 < Laurenceb__> shrillex
2015-10-06T00:30:20 < Laurenceb__> wtf my ears
2015-10-06T00:30:42 < kakimir> but look at that dope swedish chick
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2015-10-06T00:39:02 < englishman> i love dental themed music videos
2015-10-06T00:39:23 < englishman> bby show me those molars
2015-10-06T00:42:32 < kakimir> she has nice teeth
2015-10-06T00:45:25 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-10-06T00:45:29 < Laurenceb__> ears bleeding
2015-10-06T00:45:36 < Laurenceb__> also she is ugly
2015-10-06T00:46:18 < kakimir> show me beauty
2015-10-06T00:46:53 < kakimir> now
2015-10-06T00:47:05 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3260279/Babysitter-sex-11-year-old-escapes-jail.html
2015-10-06T00:49:07 < kakimir> beauty?
2015-10-06T00:52:04 < englishman> Laurenceb__ takes it as he gets it
2015-10-06T00:52:19 < kakimir> :)
2015-10-06T00:55:27 < kakimir> gmail marks my job applies as irrelevant
2015-10-06T00:56:59 < kakimir> gmail underminds me
2015-10-06T00:57:45 < kakimir> or basically it know already I don't get any job
2015-10-06T00:57:54 < kakimir> or any reply
2015-10-06T01:00:58 < kakimir> or that I even would care too much
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2015-10-06T01:33:28 < englishman> just make a kickstarter for a new drone
2015-10-06T01:33:34 < englishman> then buy a boat or something
2015-10-06T01:34:32 < Laurenceb__> kickstarter for ocean irrigation
2015-10-06T01:34:35 < Laurenceb__> to save the whales
2015-10-06T01:34:43 < kakimir> you say hoax money is way to go?
2015-10-06T01:35:18 < Laurenceb__> "due to climate change the oceans are suffering from a shortage of water"
2015-10-06T01:36:05 < kakimir> look at that beautyful yach and next thing become part of the disease
2015-10-06T01:37:03 < BrainDamage> i'm gonna be rich and famous when my dehydrated water satchets are going to hit the shelves
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2015-10-06T01:38:43 < kakimir> I think I have a issue of working forsome else
2015-10-06T01:38:52 < kakimir> *for
2015-10-06T01:42:31 < kakimir> when I look at these institutions full of management titles stacked on top each other
2015-10-06T01:44:17 < kakimir> I feel like grape fruit looking at huge high efficient juice press dedicated to press to the last drop
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2015-10-06T01:54:04 < kakimir> but when I look at small/medium sized companies I don't see enough space for ambition or progress
2015-10-06T01:54:31 < aandrew> that sense thing looks pretty cool actually
2015-10-06T01:54:39 < aandrew> the teardown didn't suggest it was a failure, just early
2015-10-06T02:01:02 < kakimir> ?
2015-10-06T02:01:38 < aandrew> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hello/sense-know-more-sleep-better and http://lyndsaywilliams.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/hello-sense-sleep-computer-under.html
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2015-10-06T02:04:44 < chris_99> not sensory enough though, needs ECG,EMG,EEG!
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2015-10-06T02:10:16 < kakimir> are you supposed to stuff that ball to into body cavity to monitor body functions?
2015-10-06T02:13:27 < kakimir> so it monitors just the environment
2015-10-06T02:14:52 < kakimir> oh and derives sleeping pattern from movement sensor data
2015-10-06T02:29:02 < aandrew> lol
2015-10-06T02:29:10 < kakimir> I don't understand the value in it
2015-10-06T02:30:52 < kakimir> when you can easily sense all those things yourself
2015-10-06T02:31:55 < kakimir> when it comes to sleeping pattern you need more sensors and more data
2015-10-06T02:32:50 < kakimir> idk.
2015-10-06T02:34:37 < [7]> srsly altium? http://i.imgur.com/CLtRw0N.png - that negative silkscreen spacing!
2015-10-06T02:37:35 < dongs> wat
2015-10-06T02:37:46 < dongs> which crap font is that
2015-10-06T02:38:01 < dongs> is it some truutype
2015-10-06T02:38:14 < [7]> nope
2015-10-06T02:38:34 < [7]> http://i.imgur.com/BjCbVAE.png
2015-10-06T02:39:50 < dongs> looks like they finally fixed dots over i's
2015-10-06T02:39:59 < dongs> i usually use 24/5 so i didnt notice
2015-10-06T02:40:18 < dongs> at 24/5 its fine
2015-10-06T02:40:59 < [7]> did they? the last time I submitted gerbers that looked like this, the dots were missing on the PCB
2015-10-06T02:41:28 < [7]> hm actually they might only have fixed the dots in some fonts :P
2015-10-06T02:41:34 < [7]> apparently not in the default one though
2015-10-06T02:41:37 < dongs> 'Default' font still has it.
2015-10-06T02:41:38 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-06T02:41:42 < dongs> that dot will not be in gerber.
2015-10-06T02:41:49 < dongs> but serif/sans will be OK.
2015-10-06T02:42:19 < zyp> huh, never noticed that
2015-10-06T02:42:21 < [7]> sans has like 0.3mils of space between the i and the n at 24/5
2015-10-06T02:42:34 < dongs> that would be fine with my pcb fab
2015-10-06T02:42:34 < [7]> that's ridiculous
2015-10-06T02:42:40 < dongs> ^_-
2015-10-06T02:43:00 < [7]> well, even if they could manufacture it, you could barely see it :P
2015-10-06T02:44:24 < [7]> that's rather hilarious as well (default 24/6): http://i.imgur.com/TE7Zxqe.png
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2015-10-06T02:45:17 < [7]> but seriously, sans spacing is all fucked up
2015-10-06T02:45:20 < zyp> you care too much about that shit
2015-10-06T02:45:35 < [7]> spacing between "m" and "i" is like 10 times as wide as between "i" and "n"
2015-10-06T02:45:35 < zyp> just slap down some text and forget about it
2015-10-06T02:45:56 < zyp> if you're using a shitfab it's going to look like shit no matter how nice the gerbers are
2015-10-06T02:46:01 < [7]> at 24/5 the fab will make some unreadable mess out of what altium would produce ;)
2015-10-06T02:46:58 < [7]> it doesn't have to look good, but I'd like it to be readable, and I want to get 3 chars of text between every pair of pins on a 100mil header
2015-10-06T02:47:13 < [7]> kinda tricky...
2015-10-06T02:47:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/85BUDZm.jpg this is 24/5 i believe
2015-10-06T02:47:31 < dongs> opening the actual board file to check
2015-10-06T02:48:00 < dongs> ya it is
2015-10-06T02:48:00 < [7]> that's default font though, not serif
2015-10-06T02:48:04 < dongs> correct
2015-10-06T02:48:06 < dongs> and you can see the missing i's
2015-10-06T02:48:07 < [7]> with serif it would be unreadable
2015-10-06T02:48:12 < dongs> naw
2015-10-06T02:48:27 < [7]> it would just pull the letters into each other
2015-10-06T02:48:31 < zyp> why would you want serifs on small scale silk?
2015-10-06T02:48:48 < [7]> to have the i dots :P
2015-10-06T02:48:58 < [7]> and it actually seems to be more space efficient
2015-10-06T02:48:59 < dongs> just yell
2015-10-06T02:49:03 < zyp> who cares about the i dots
2015-10-06T02:49:23 < zyp> of course it's more space efficient when all the characters are pulled into each other :p
2015-10-06T02:49:53 < [7]> nah, also because it doesn't restrict itself to 45° angles
2015-10-06T02:50:27 < [7]> that especially pays off at small height to stroke width ratios
2015-10-06T02:51:04 < [7]> I guess using truetype fonts instead isn't considered an adequate solution? :P
2015-10-06T02:51:15 < dongs> it will look even worse
2015-10-06T02:51:19 < dongs> especially wiht shitfab
2015-10-06T02:51:28 < dongs> dude, none of your china trash is gonna be able to do 24/5 silk
2015-10-06T02:51:33 < dongs> defaeult or serif
2015-10-06T02:51:44 < [7]> 24/6 default worked quite well the last time I did it
2015-10-06T02:52:04 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/GCdT4
2015-10-06T02:53:30 < [7]> yeah sure, I won't get that kind of quality :P but hey, you can read it!
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2015-10-06T03:12:27 < aandrew> lol truetype silkscreen
2015-10-06T03:13:46 < aandrew> I see very little wrong the the local factory
2015-10-06T03:13:58 < aandrew> worse silk but who gives a fuck
2015-10-06T03:14:26 < aandrew> looks like their HASL is ass too but that's bullshit since nobody will be doing BGAs with HASL
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2015-10-06T03:15:09 < aandrew> the important things aren't compared. drill registration, soldermask, etc.
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2015-10-06T03:18:49 < Sync> aandrew: there are a few nutjobs tha try to do bga with hasl
2015-10-06T03:19:13 < zyp> why not?
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2015-10-06T05:24:10 < aandrew> flyback: hahaha
2015-10-06T05:27:02 < upgrdman> dongs, re: liveleak link... lol
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2015-10-06T06:33:59 < upgrdman> dongs, you need one of these on your desk    http://imgur.com/EL8Hxqk
2015-10-06T06:34:56 < Roklobotomy> stalagdongs
2015-10-06T06:37:26 < upgrdman> mmhmmm
2015-10-06T06:37:29 < upgrdman> wtf   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_cloaca
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2015-10-06T06:39:12 < talsit> dongs:  does your fab do stencils?
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2015-10-06T07:51:16 < englishman> http://www.flir.ca/flirone/content/?id=69420
2015-10-06T07:51:22 < englishman> Availability: September
2015-10-06T07:51:25 < englishman> lol idiots
2015-10-06T07:52:46 < englishman> new stm32f042 nucleo, arduino nano footprint, in stock at digikey/mauser but no info on st.com super pro
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2015-10-06T08:08:32 < Getty> R2COM: nope ;)
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2015-10-06T08:40:51 < dongs> < englishman> http://www.flir.ca/flirone/content/?id=69420
2015-10-06T08:40:57 < dongs> wat, 32x32 thermal resolution?
2015-10-06T08:45:33 < dongs> Are you looking for unfinished goods?
2015-10-06T08:45:33 < dongs> I think that it is seeking products that function like a promotional video. It is only by opinion concerns that can be inferred from the current situation. I hope more than anyone else that it is possible to stable flight with the updated program. I might be killed in zano fan. But I would like to continue to ask the question until the drone can be used safely.
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2015-10-06T09:30:40 < dongs> talsit: yes
2015-10-06T09:30:45 < dongs> talsit: frameless or framed
2015-10-06T09:30:50 < dongs> (can do either)
2015-10-06T09:31:38 < dongs> < aandrew> I see very little wrong the the local factory
2015-10-06T09:31:43 < dongs> you mean with the china factory
2015-10-06T09:32:32 < dongs> fasttech is just garbageu, especially ocnsidering the price
2015-10-06T09:32:42 < dongs> probly same actual fab that does those 10x10 for $10 specials of AIDS
2015-10-06T09:40:26 < dongs> Bang me in my bed after my university classes.
2015-10-06T09:40:26 < dongs> There are nobody in my place on weekend.
2015-10-06T09:40:26 < dongs> Therefore wish anyone with a trained donger to make me moan.
2015-10-06T09:40:26 < dongs> Get in touch with me there on my page or message me 1-916-299-50-04.
2015-10-06T09:40:28 < dongs> attn r2com
2015-10-06T09:55:45 < Roklobotomy> has anyone here used sub 1GHz nordic/TI/ST/Atmel radios?
2015-10-06T09:58:02 < Roklobotomy> dongs: surely you have!
2015-10-06T10:12:09 < dongs> i used something but i forgot wat it was, something zano related
2015-10-06T10:19:37 < dongs> found zyp http://i.imgur.com/5dB1GVn.png
2015-10-06T10:25:07 < mtbg> living a dream
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2015-10-06T10:45:52 < ReadError> dongs check out what i innovated yesterday http://imgur.com/a/UmuBm
2015-10-06T10:47:11 < PeterM> ReadError, wut
2015-10-06T10:47:32 < PeterM> 2 pads with tented vias that go no wher eon both sides?
2015-10-06T10:48:12 < ReadError> well they are there to keep the pad attached
2015-10-06T10:48:22 < ReadError> since people suck at soldering and lift them all the time
2015-10-06T10:49:17 < PeterM> ok... so you have 4 unconnected pads that can be sodlered to by retards... why?
2015-10-06T10:49:57 < ReadError> oh ya they will be connected
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2015-10-06T10:52:05 < jpa-> so you "invented" the act of putting vias to make pads more sturdy?
2015-10-06T10:52:19 < ReadError> my innovation bar is incredibly low
2015-10-06T10:52:26 < Roklobotomy> ReadError: that looks completely rooted.
2015-10-06T10:52:44 < ReadError> i just never seen it done on 2 row side mounted headers ;)
2015-10-06T10:52:50 < ReadError> edge mount*
2015-10-06T10:53:16 < Roklobotomy> ReadError: admit it was a copy pasta mistake that paid off.
2015-10-06T10:53:42 < Roklobotomy> and you were drunk.
2015-10-06T10:53:57 < ReadError> i wont say i was sober
2015-10-06T10:54:17 < Roklobotomy> well i know inebriated pcb's when i see them.
2015-10-06T10:54:52 < ReadError> im fixing the stuff the ambien ended up doing now ;/
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2015-10-06T10:55:28 < Roklobotomy> dongs does his best work on a round of warm sake.
2015-10-06T10:57:10 < ReadError> oh maybe im missing some di.fm, enhance my game
2015-10-06T10:58:25 < Roklobotomy> I swear to fucking god, any time anyone types "entrepreneur" as their occupation in Linkedin, the site should autocorrect to "twat".
2015-10-06T10:58:56 < Roklobotomy> or at least "aspirational robber baron".
2015-10-06T10:59:55 < ReadError> I think you can only really consider yourself an entreprenuer once you have done it successfully
2015-10-06T11:00:13 < ReadError> otherwise its too generic, neighborhood crack dealer prolly considers himself one
2015-10-06T11:01:19 < Roklobotomy> it's a word that should be banned, like "innova*".
2015-10-06T11:01:29 < Roklobotomy> and "solution".
2015-10-06T11:01:35 < ReadError> innovation is a fun word to use
2015-10-06T11:01:38 < Roklobotomy> outside of chemistry.
2015-10-06T11:01:39 < ReadError> 'gamechanging'
2015-10-06T11:01:54 < ReadError> its all part of the kickstarter vocabulary for success
2015-10-06T11:02:03 < ReadError> revolutionary
2015-10-06T11:02:36 < Roklobotomy> i like kickstarter the idea of it, but they need to improve their bullshit detector.
2015-10-06T11:03:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/GWztbcV.jpg some real innovation here
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2015-10-06T11:03:31 < Roklobotomy> i went to unit with two hopeless engineering students.  to my dismay i found out later their were both employed at the patent office.
2015-10-06T11:03:37 < mtbg> NAZO
2015-10-06T11:03:38 < Roklobotomy> uni
2015-10-06T11:04:31 < Roklobotomy> I feel kickstarter has the "knows enough to be dangerous" technical competency to let too much shit through.
2015-10-06T11:05:15 < Roklobotomy> dongs: did you bang that out before breakfast?
2015-10-06T11:05:55 < Roklobotomy> oh there goes the fire siren.
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2015-10-06T11:07:13 < Roklobotomy> it's probably no accident the fire station is across the road from the pub.
2015-10-06T11:07:59 < PeterM> [19:01] <Roklobotomy> and "solution". -  what abotu final solution?
2015-10-06T11:08:22 < Roklobotomy> probably the worst use of the word, ever.
2015-10-06T11:08:53 < PeterM> *best
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2015-10-06T11:57:52 < artag> I'm having much pain trying to get I2C working on a 32f301, no problem on a 32f303. anybody know enough to help  me ? plz ?
2015-10-06T12:00:37 < artag> is there something bad about the 301 ? It seems to get missed out of loads of support libs and stuff
2015-10-06T12:07:17 < jpa-> did you check if the errata has anything related?
2015-10-06T12:09:19 < artag> yes, it all seems to be slave mode problems in that area
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2015-10-06T12:18:08 < dongs> wtf is 301
2015-10-06T12:18:58 < dongs> ah
2015-10-06T12:19:00 < dongs> 64k flash max eh
2015-10-06T12:19:01 < dongs> rough
2015-10-06T12:19:16 < artag> yeah, I have no idea why it was selected
2015-10-06T12:19:41 < artag> possibly because 3 x 12c + dma, not sure if that's common anyway
2015-10-06T12:20:05 < dongs> 3x 12c?
2015-10-06T12:20:05 < dongs> what is that
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2015-10-06T12:20:14 < artag> i2c
2015-10-06T12:20:17 < dongs> o
2015-10-06T12:20:20 < artag> 3 modules
2015-10-06T12:20:37 < dongs> is it 64pin version or something?
2015-10-06T12:20:40 < artag> yes
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2015-10-06T12:27:39 < dongs> so
2015-10-06T12:27:40 < dongs> Video: MJPG 640x480 30fps 10898kbps [V: mjpeg, yuvj422p, 640x480, 10898 kb/s]
2015-10-06T12:27:50 < dongs> 30fps mjpeg, 10meg/sec
2015-10-06T12:27:55 < dongs> for 640x480 awfulquality
2015-10-06T12:28:19 < dongs> zano isnt gonna write 1080p30 to sd card in mjpeg
2015-10-06T12:33:32 < kakimir> how to design optimum snubbering for triac controller?
2015-10-06T12:35:11 < kakimir> http://educypedia.karadimov.info/library/6785.pdf
2015-10-06T12:36:04 < kakimir> dongs: why chinese people crave to eat everything that moves?
2015-10-06T12:38:00 < ReadError> dongs is there an altium equiv for add node ('n') in diptrace for traces
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2015-10-06T12:56:23 < scrts> dongs: what's the compression rate for mjpg?
2015-10-06T12:56:56 < artag> kakimir: I followed your link expecting to find a chinese person eating something weird. Instead I found an app note.
2015-10-06T12:57:06 < jpa-> scrts: what do you mean by compression rate? :)
2015-10-06T12:58:24 < scrts> 640 * 480 * 30fps * 16bits per pixel = 147.456Mbps, so 147.456 / 10.898 = 13.53
2015-10-06T12:58:43 < scrts> I think you can select quality when compressing to jpeg
2015-10-06T12:58:59 < kakimir> artag: I'm sorry for letting you down
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2015-10-06T13:05:27 < artag> :)
2015-10-06T13:12:22 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4TJkPLN_g8
2015-10-06T13:16:17 < kakimir> PeterM: you swedish?
2015-10-06T13:16:28 < kakimir> norse*
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2015-10-06T13:22:42 < PeterM> no
2015-10-06T13:23:31 < PeterM> why
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2015-10-06T13:25:37 < kakimir> how do you think PeterM could I use same snubber circuits for both voltages
2015-10-06T13:25:38 < kakimir> ?
2015-10-06T13:28:53 < kakimir> well there is no inductive load so it doesn't need to be too efficient anyways
2015-10-06T13:30:20 < kakimir> and as isolated triac comes with only 3Q triggering there isn't even use of turn-off
2015-10-06T13:33:25 < kakimir> there is downside of using bt139-800X PeterM
2015-10-06T13:38:04 < PeterM> you would be surprised at inductive energy stored in wound heating elements
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2015-10-06T13:42:22 < kakimir> oh heating elements actually have some sort of coil inside
2015-10-06T13:42:43 < kakimir> instead of some.. round bar
2015-10-06T13:48:16 < kakimir> do you know alternatives for that isolated pad bt13* series triac with 4Q triggering?
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2015-10-06T15:36:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cyx6nWdFas
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2015-10-06T16:03:04 < Laurenceb> lol  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/06/linix_kernel_dev_who_asked_linus_torvalds_to_stop_swearing_quits_over_swearing/
2015-10-06T16:04:51 < PaulFertser> And I can't say her xhci is a decent driver, there were too many issues with it afaik.
2015-10-06T16:05:36 < karlp> xhci was a fucking disaster, and it was all hers.
2015-10-06T16:13:07 < Laurenceb> lol  https://picasaweb.google.com/116960357493251979546/Trolls#5901288095984358098
2015-10-06T16:13:32 < Laurenceb> polyhead@polyhead.net.... horrifying
2015-10-06T16:14:11 < Laurenceb> obviously a major international company
2015-10-06T16:15:05 < Laurenceb> Polyhead's Interests on Livejournal: dead babies
2015-10-06T16:16:14 < Sync> well, TR got it wrong
2015-10-06T16:19:10 < Laurenceb> the misogynist troll, Lubin
2015-10-06T16:19:16 < Laurenceb> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/42482
2015-10-06T16:19:22 < Laurenceb> horrifying trolling there
2015-10-06T16:21:55 < Laurenceb> hah she got pwned https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/24/142
2015-10-06T16:27:04 < karlp> dude, this is _years_ old
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2015-10-06T17:22:25 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eGhjhx8O9M hahahahaha
2015-10-06T17:22:38 < Getty> Tesla "destroying" a V8 Supercar
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2015-10-06T17:24:59 < Sync> well, it is a drag race
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2015-10-06T17:25:59 < Sync> insanely bad launch
2015-10-06T17:29:28 < Sync> also bad launch by the supercar
2015-10-06T17:29:34 < Sync> wheelspin into 3rd
2015-10-06T17:30:04 < karlp> well, they're tv personalities
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2015-10-06T17:34:29 < Sync> so?
2015-10-06T17:34:44 < Sync> they still should be able to launch a car properly if they claim to be car enthusiasts
2015-10-06T17:37:44 < karlp> well, even the driver dude was like, "well, if teslas specs are even sort of true, I've barely got a chance on a good day"
2015-10-06T17:37:54 < karlp> so it's not like any of it was really ever in doubt was it?
2015-10-06T17:38:06 < karlp> still came down to "this one sounds like a car" for some people :)
2015-10-06T17:45:29 < Sync> in a straight line few things have a chance against it
2015-10-06T17:45:42 < Sync> but the race driver should have been able to control his launch better
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2015-10-06T19:11:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjHi6WB01s
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2015-10-06T19:30:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOD8SaNblE
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2015-10-06T20:32:51 < Steffanx> Laurenceb you should vlog.
2015-10-06T20:34:05 < Fleck> poor guy :( sad!
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2015-10-06T20:35:15 < englishman> Car journalism is almost as bad as gaming journalism
2015-10-06T20:35:47 < englishman> Never mind the entertainment that pretends to be journalism, ie topgear
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2015-10-06T20:37:53 < Steffanx> Do we have someone who dislikes topgear in the room?
2015-10-06T20:38:08 < PaulFertser> I disklike topgear.
2015-10-06T20:38:29 < PaulFertser> And cars in general.
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2015-10-06T20:38:59 < Laurenceb> ok found the issue with my F1 boards
2015-10-06T20:39:08 < Laurenceb> ST changed their process or something
2015-10-06T20:39:18 < Laurenceb> newer F1 has poorer ESD protection
2015-10-06T20:40:18 < Laurenceb> my older F1 boards have 4.5v on the WKUP pin when USB is inserted but they dont fry
2015-10-06T20:41:34 < Laurenceb> there is a difference in the packages, newer ones are shiny
2015-10-06T20:42:17 < englishman> Fakes
2015-10-06T20:42:42 < Fleck> is there some online tool to generate C code for a font?
2015-10-06T20:42:44 < englishman> 8051 with cortex-m emulator
2015-10-06T20:43:05 < Fleck> ;p
2015-10-06T20:43:09 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-06T20:43:23 < Laurenceb> well it is just one roll
2015-10-06T20:43:31 < Laurenceb> and it doesnt look like any other ST stuff
2015-10-06T20:46:28 < Laurenceb> aha
2015-10-06T20:46:42 < Laurenceb> all my other reels are revision 1, these are revision X
2015-10-06T20:49:40 < englishman> Older
2015-10-06T20:49:41 < Laurenceb> dunno which is older
2015-10-06T20:49:45 < Laurenceb> X is older?
2015-10-06T20:49:52 < englishman> Doesn't it go letter -> number?
2015-10-06T20:50:07 < Laurenceb> ok... in which case lol
2015-10-06T20:50:08 < englishman> Errata :-)
2015-10-06T20:50:37 < Laurenceb> as my "older" reels are from 2010, and the revision X once I just got from RS
2015-10-06T20:52:46 < Steffanx> The week/year number is on the chip as well Laurenceb
2015-10-06T20:53:14 < Laurenceb> bbl
2015-10-06T20:53:16 < Steffanx> *package
2015-10-06T21:03:48 < ReadError> Laurenceb I suspect you are somehow involved in this (forgive retarded site) http://www.infowars.com/pissforequality-feminists-fall-for-4chan-troll-campaign-by-peeing-themselves/
2015-10-06T21:11:13 < Steffanx> i feel sorry for everyone who clicks on that link
2015-10-06T21:20:56 < Tectu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y3KnXIvwHc
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2015-10-06T21:48:30 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKc0JpbkZyRG55NlU/view?usp=sharing put all things inside it to see how it would look. seperate smas are to be mounted to right wall and there will be voltage connection bar somewhere in free space
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2015-10-06T21:50:55 < kakimir> totally enough space to connect all 3phases and PE
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2015-10-06T22:08:49 < ReadError> what is it
2015-10-06T22:10:55 < kakimir> fapbox
2015-10-06T22:11:58 < ReadError> cool, may I try it?
2015-10-06T22:12:18 < kakimir> basically it is to be rs232 controlled 3phase 3output 400V 10A per output "dimmer"
2015-10-06T22:12:43 < kakimir> with some additional connections like analog inputs and 15V outputs
2015-10-06T22:13:17 < ReadError> sounds dangerous
2015-10-06T22:13:49 < kakimir> if electricity wants to kill me it has it chances in this project
2015-10-06T22:14:38 < kakimir> I think I will be working from distance when I turn main switch
2015-10-06T22:14:48 < ReadError> probably a good idea
2015-10-06T22:14:50 < kakimir> and isolated maybe
2015-10-06T22:16:06 < kakimir> better order some isolated rs232 adapter
2015-10-06T22:18:13 < kakimir> no.. I buy usb isolator and do programming and debugging behind isolation while hot
2015-10-06T22:20:02 < kakimir> hub behind isolation rs232 adapter and jlink connected
2015-10-06T22:20:14 < kakimir> powered with 15V output
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2015-10-06T23:41:37 < kakimir> name one modern scifi classic?
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2015-10-06T23:41:39 < kakimir> movie
2015-10-06T23:41:53 < kakimir> by modern last 10year
2015-10-06T23:41:56 < kakimir> s
2015-10-06T23:43:17 < chris_99> i rather liked Predestination - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2397535/
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2015-10-06T23:44:41 < kakimir> sweet
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2015-10-06T23:45:19 < kakimir> follows the theme I have been watching lately
2015-10-06T23:45:35 < chris_99> what have you watched recently?
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2015-10-06T23:46:28 < Laurenceb_> http://manhood101.com/
2015-10-06T23:46:41 < Laurenceb_> Manhood Academy is the only accredited worldwide social training center in existence today. It's specifically designed to rescue helpless fucks like you.
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2015-10-06T23:47:28 < Laurenceb_> sounds good
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2015-10-06T23:49:40 < kakimir> well chris_99 doctor who last year and continuum last month
2015-10-06T23:49:49 < kakimir> series
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2015-10-06T23:50:53 < chris_99> interesting, not heard of continuum
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2015-10-06T23:53:17 < kakimir> wait
2015-10-06T23:54:13 < kakimir> there seems to be 2 series with same name
2015-10-06T23:54:56 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk_UElPrW6A this
2015-10-06T23:55:09 < kakimir> I actually watched different series I planned to
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2015-10-06T23:57:03 < kakimir> I need to stop planning to ruin my life with series
2015-10-06T23:58:22 < kakimir> movies are quite ok
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2015-10-07T00:00:11 < kakimir> series are quite like an event that you need to be part of when it happening
2015-10-07T00:03:33 < kakimir> chris_99: I didn't see any tech in trailer and it seems more like drama than scifi
2015-10-07T00:04:01 < kakimir> pass
2015-10-07T00:04:05 < chris_99> heh
2015-10-07T00:04:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.scs.stanford.edu/~dm/home/papers/remove.pdf
2015-10-07T00:15:51 < kakimir> #pissforequality
2015-10-07T00:17:17 < englishman> Kakimir: primer
2015-10-07T00:17:26 < englishman> Its <10yr I think
2015-10-07T00:18:14 < chris_99> primer is cool
2015-10-07T00:18:16 < chris_99> and time crimes
2015-10-07T00:18:33 < englishman> Time crimes I need to watch again that was good
2015-10-07T00:27:27 < ReadError> dr who seemed dumb
2015-10-07T00:27:30 < ReadError> never watched it
2015-10-07T00:27:35 < ReadError> UK tv pisses me off mostly
2015-10-07T00:29:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE
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2015-10-07T00:37:43 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/ePzoZ.jpg
2015-10-07T00:37:47 < ReadError> aint even mad
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2015-10-07T00:55:36 < Laurenceb_> did you know, “shit” is the new preferred universal pronoun meaning “she-he-it”, which has been officially adopted
2015-10-07T00:55:38 < Laurenceb_> pmsl
2015-10-07T01:06:53 < kakimir> are you shitting me?
2015-10-07T01:19:52 < ReadError> you follow the SJW scene very closely Laurenceb_
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2015-10-07T01:42:10 < artag> uk tv used to be good. it's now mostly imported crap. dr who is kind of special - it's awful, but it's meant to be. it's an in-joke that preserves the glory days of 1970s childrens tv, with cheapskate sets and tiny budgets
2015-10-07T01:43:39 < artag> it's watched ironically, or by people trying to recapture their childhood by getting their children to watch it
2015-10-07T01:44:01 < artag> just like star trek really, I guess.
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2015-10-07T01:48:52 < Laurenceb_> I dont get how you could enjoy dr who
2015-10-07T01:49:10 < Laurenceb_> unless you had been lobotomised
2015-10-07T01:49:31 < Sync> ^
2015-10-07T01:49:54 < Laurenceb_> in the UK we get amazing "science" shows like horizon
2015-10-07T01:50:19 < Laurenceb_> which is basically a bunch of random "epic" shots with BOC tracks put over the top
2015-10-07T01:50:57 < Laurenceb_> the shocking thing is that BBC4 is better than the discovery channel
2015-10-07T01:50:58 < kakimir> uk science shows :P
2015-10-07T01:51:04 < kakimir> bbc :P
2015-10-07T01:51:43 < fenugrec> "Look around you" is from UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBaVwwuErmU
2015-10-07T01:51:52 < Laurenceb_> last good UK TV program was brasseye
2015-10-07T01:52:00 < Laurenceb_> oh yeah, look around you also
2015-10-07T01:52:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhGJuBBnGFU
2015-10-07T01:52:13 < Laurenceb_> troll science
2015-10-07T01:52:24 < Laurenceb_> haha wtf dongs
2015-10-07T01:53:08 < Laurenceb_> just dry it off FFS
2015-10-07T01:55:08 < Laurenceb_> look around you intro is genius
2015-10-07T01:55:34 < kakimir> zano looks quite okay
2015-10-07T01:57:18 < ReadError> any reason not to use teardrops in altium?
2015-10-07T01:57:21 < ReadError> they look dope
2015-10-07T01:59:35 < kakimir> zano is bigger than I expected
2015-10-07T02:01:19 < kakimir> nice boxes and all
2015-10-07T02:01:47 < Laurenceb_> I'm worried about Helvetica
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2015-10-07T02:04:40 < mtbg> looks like the app is lagging video when he changes settings
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2015-10-07T02:05:17 < mtbg> but well, good thing it still works
2015-10-07T02:05:27 < kakimir> it sounds like flying bee hell
2015-10-07T02:05:52 < mtbg> because it's swarming
2015-10-07T02:07:15 < kakimir> bad thing is that video quality is unacceptable for any use nowdays
2015-10-07T02:09:49 < mtbg> maybe he should have rinsed it in clean water or IPA after that drowning in stream
2015-10-07T02:13:04 < kakimir> doesn't water exposure ruin some passives for good?
2015-10-07T02:13:18 < ReadError> whats funny was
2015-10-07T02:13:22 < ReadError> shit was sitting in the water
2015-10-07T02:13:30 < ReadError> and hes sitting there filming it
2015-10-07T02:13:36 < ReadError> with another camera
2015-10-07T02:13:59 < dongs> ya
2015-10-07T02:14:02 < dongs> it doesnt work anyway.
2015-10-07T02:16:23 < mtbg> mcu, camera and wifi looks working ok
2015-10-07T02:17:36 < mtbg> the obstacle avoidance sensors probably aren't susceptible to that damage, they used just IR receivers and diodes
2015-10-07T02:18:17 < mtbg> maybe the ultrasound transducer is a part of its obstacle avoidance mechanism
2015-10-07T02:18:48 < kakimir> is there such?
2015-10-07T02:19:12 < mtbg> I think there was one on the bottom
2015-10-07T02:19:22 < kakimir> heigth sensor?
2015-10-07T02:22:27 < mtbg> 3:16 on this video the transducers are visible
2015-10-07T02:24:02 < kakimir> is there some datasheet for zano if I don't feel like scooping thru videos and dongs forums
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2015-10-07T02:27:30 < Sync> that's what you have to do
2015-10-07T02:30:40 < mtbg> and seemingly zano does some sanity checks on its hardware
2015-10-07T02:40:00 < ReadError> twerking group can remotely ban you from your zano
2015-10-07T02:40:22 < ReadError> maybe they saw his video and disabled it
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2015-10-07T02:45:10 < Roklobsta> you mean disabled it some more?
2015-10-07T02:46:23 < mtbg> disabled it to avoid further damage by the time he gets it out of the stream
2015-10-07T02:52:09 < Getty> Westboro Baptist Church is now protesting the weathermen.........
2015-10-07T02:53:15 < Roklobsta> god hates weather fags.
2015-10-07T02:53:30 < Getty> yeah, totally!
2015-10-07T02:54:02 < Getty> first rule of the Westboro club: you dont talk about ..... the weather!
2015-10-07T02:55:44 < Roklobsta> wow.  predicting the weather is "stealing gods glory"
2015-10-07T02:57:59 < mtbg> the whole life is just predicting outcomes to make decisions
2015-10-07T02:58:12 < Roklobsta> well, by that token using scientific methods to predict anything is stealing gods glory.
2015-10-07T02:58:31 < mtbg> why then don't they just sit in corner and close in themselves
2015-10-07T02:58:34 < dongs> The second app is a really simple app and will make use of Zano's inertial compensation features to allow simple predefined tasks with a short duration for those who have no desire to actually fly a drone. Does that give you enough of a clue?
2015-10-07T02:58:45 < mtbg> or, drive their decisions by random number generator
2015-10-07T02:58:51 < Roklobsta> mtbg: that'd be the sane option for them.
2015-10-07T02:58:55 < mtbg> without predicting anything
2015-10-07T02:58:57 < Getty> Roklobsta: PSSSSSSSST dont give them ideas ;)
2015-10-07T02:59:18 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=891&start=770#p13299 lol
2015-10-07T02:59:24 < mtbg> the latter would be even better
2015-10-07T02:59:32 < mtbg> they will have true free will then
2015-10-07T03:00:06 < mtbg> not dependent on external factors and previous experiences
2015-10-07T03:00:09 < mtbg> pure free will
2015-10-07T03:00:26 < Laurenceb_> intelligent calcium
2015-10-07T03:01:20 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: i saw that video a while back.  very very funny.
2015-10-07T03:02:24  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2015-10-07T03:02:46 < dongs> We are also aware that some fail safes are too sensitive. To give you an example, it is a fine line between detecting a propeller is causing vibration and triggering a vibration error due to being hit by a gust of wind. The filters that handle this are band pass filters and sometimes a vibration of certain frequencies or a high DC acceleration may trigger a vibration error. If this happens, Zano lands.
2015-10-07T03:02:53 < dongs> wat
2015-10-07T03:02:55 < dongs> wat
2015-10-07T03:03:20 < dongs> Zano can also detect a collision, say you fly into someone or into a tree, the collision fail safe will trigger, turn the motors off and send you a message.
2015-10-07T03:03:20 < Roklobsta> i wonder if it's an alias of the vibe - ie they don't filter the input to the adc
2015-10-07T03:03:23 < dongs> haha
2015-10-07T03:03:54 < Roklobsta> i think it should self destruct on collision.
2015-10-07T03:05:12 < dongs> All the hold position, follow me code etc from Zano's point of view is all done. We are working on a nice wizard in the app to help anyone calibrate both Zano and their phone for these features. It is tho wizard that is holding the release of GPS functionality on the phone. We had a version working well but on different phones, the variation of the phones GPS caused us some issues that require a user to calibrate the phone. Hence the wizard in the app.
2015-10-07T03:05:18 < dongs> lol
2015-10-07T03:05:50 < dongs> ivan singlehandedly solved autonomous flight on a pic32 in a week
2015-10-07T03:06:04 < dongs> .. that or hes full of shit as usual
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2015-10-07T03:13:59 < ReadError> he must be a pro
2015-10-07T03:14:05 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-07T03:14:15 < dongs> mips assembly pro
2015-10-07T03:14:23 < ReadError> so many open source projects with tons of smarter devs still cant perfect it
2015-10-07T03:14:56 < dongs> how do I report DCL violations?
2015-10-07T03:15:13 < dongs> https://github.com/cleanflight/cleanflight/blob/master/src/main/drivers/accgyro_mpu.c#L105 vs https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_mpu.c#L142
2015-10-07T03:15:21 < dongs> 100% copypaste just renamed stuff
2015-10-07T03:15:40 < dongs> i need an internet lawyer
2015-10-07T03:16:33 < aandrew> ATTN INTERWEB: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/end-of-world-7-october-ebible-fellowship
2015-10-07T03:17:49 < aandrew> dongs: they say clearly that cleanflight is multiwii
2015-10-07T03:18:13 < dongs> aandrew: none of that code is multiwii
2015-10-07T03:18:19 < dongs> this is driver stuff, and I wrote it
2015-10-07T03:18:25 < aandrew> oh?
2015-10-07T03:19:06 < aandrew> I shall have to steal it for my rocket logger
2015-10-07T03:19:29 < Roklobsta> fuck that' i'm stealing it for my next kickstarter drone
2015-10-07T03:19:36 < dongs> you better hope your name is not dominic clifton
2015-10-07T03:19:43 < dongs> or I'll have all the internet lawyers up your ass
2015-10-07T03:19:44 < aandrew> no idea who that is
2015-10-07T03:19:46 < Roklobsta> nah, it's Roklobsta Clifton.
2015-10-07T03:20:00 < aandrew> donginic cliton
2015-10-07T03:20:02 < Roklobsta> no relation
2015-10-07T03:20:17 < Roklobsta> donginic
2015-10-07T03:21:01 < Roklobsta> that's how open sores works, eh, you strip out any references to the other guy(s) in the code and it's yours!
2015-10-07T03:21:25 < dongs> just rename all teh variables
2015-10-07T03:21:32 < aandrew> dongs: so you wrote the drivers, multiwii stole it and then cleanflight stole it from them?
2015-10-07T03:21:46 < dongs> no i wrote the drivers and dickheadflight stole them
2015-10-07T03:22:03 < aandrew> so you wrote them for multiwii?
2015-10-07T03:22:08 < Roklobsta> you don't need a lawyer, a hired goon is cheaper
2015-10-07T03:23:24 < dongs> aandrew: no, multiwii is old stuff. the onyl code shared with multiwii is the control loop. hardware drivers I wrote originally
2015-10-07T03:23:49 < dongs> since multiwii = avrturd.
2015-10-07T03:23:55 < dongs> so none of that stuff would apply anyway.
2015-10-07T03:23:58 < aandrew> I'm still confused. you pointed to the multiwii repo
2015-10-07T03:24:11 < Roklobsta> yannow, i bet the numpties are using a IIR filter.
2015-10-07T03:24:11 < dongs> ah eh its just there cuz thats where I keep it
2015-10-07T03:24:21 < dongs>  /baseflight/ is the importnt bit
2015-10-07T03:24:54 < aandrew> ahh
2015-10-07T03:25:12 < dongs>  /multiwii was made liek 5 years ago to sync wiht googlecode svn
2015-10-07T03:25:19 < dongs> which is dead now anyway
2015-10-07T03:25:21 < dongs>  i duno wat they use
2015-10-07T03:28:59 < dongs> zyp: arcin is done, shipping today
2015-10-07T03:36:36 < zyp> cool
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2015-10-07T03:54:34 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNRxtqwUwAAgJOL.jpg is this kikecad
2015-10-07T03:55:18 < englishman> dongs: haha its almost line for line copypasta
2015-10-07T03:56:03 < dongs> yeah except his shit still fails, 4 mpu_xxx source files duplicating stuff
2015-10-07T03:56:06 < dongs> but whateverrs
2015-10-07T03:56:23 < englishman> so clean
2015-10-07T03:57:35 < dongs> .. about 7 hours ago
2015-10-07T03:57:35 < dongs> after watching the flight school videos i doubt that zano is autonomous or intelligent
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2015-10-07T04:00:23 < englishman> https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw
2015-10-07T04:01:16 < zyp> haha, wat
2015-10-07T04:01:19 < englishman> omfg dongs
2015-10-07T04:01:20 < englishman> dongs
2015-10-07T04:01:20 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/XvkHpHX.jpg
2015-10-07T04:01:27 < englishman> actual microsoft product
2015-10-07T04:01:32 < dongs> fuck off
2015-10-07T04:01:36 < dongs> url or it didnt happen
2015-10-07T04:02:17 < englishman> http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/6/9460983/microsoft-event-windows-10-ninja-cat-doge-stickers
2015-10-07T04:08:12 < dongs> Well done the guys at TG, such lack of focus and totally inadequate delivery information has taken me from being a relatively happy and patient Kickstarter backer to a very unhappy and now publicly involved negative commentator (all in less that 2 days of negative email contact with your company). Somehow, I do not think that am alone in forming this (very negative) opinion.
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2015-10-07T05:01:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYo_l81QuPE wat
2015-10-07T05:11:57 < aandrew> e-cig nonsense
2015-10-07T05:17:06 < aandrew> attn dongs
2015-10-07T05:17:21 < aandrew> do you have any decent pinmux spreadsheet or whatever for stm32
2015-10-07T05:20:27 < zyp> AF table in datasheet?
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2015-10-07T05:22:47 < aandrew> yeah that's what I got
2015-10-07T05:24:37 < dongs> aandrew: i just use timecube gui thing
2015-10-07T05:24:40 < dongs> works nice
2015-10-07T05:25:09 < aandrew> timecube gui? http://timecube.com/
2015-10-07T05:25:28 < dongs> yeah.
2015-10-07T05:25:31 < dongs> no, the stm32cube trash
2015-10-07T05:25:36 < dongs> as logn as you dont let it actually generate any code
2015-10-07T05:25:42 < dongs> and just use it to pick out pin mappings
2015-10-07T05:25:44 < dongs> its great
2015-10-07T05:26:52 < aandrew> interesting
2015-10-07T05:34:53 < aandrew> is this pin mux tool in some IDE bullshit? I don't see it online
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2015-10-07T05:39:25 < dongs> er
2015-10-07T05:39:30 < dongs> its the jav ashit
2015-10-07T05:39:32 < dongs> stm32cube or watever
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2015-10-07T06:51:59 < dongs> bloggin furiosuly
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2015-10-07T07:23:03 < upgrdman> mmmm Surface Book.
2015-10-07T07:23:11 < upgrdman> so want. my dick is so hard right now.
2015-10-07T07:23:30 < emeb_mac> god. everyone is going lala over that today
2015-10-07T07:23:42 < upgrdman> you dont like it?
2015-10-07T07:23:51 < emeb_mac> no way to know
2015-10-07T07:23:57 < upgrdman> huge tablet + pc
2015-10-07T07:24:04 < upgrdman> + stylus
2015-10-07T07:24:18 < emeb_mac> it could be wonderful, but all you have to go on now is marketing.
2015-10-07T07:24:38 < upgrdman> sure
2015-10-07T07:24:45 < upgrdman> im not preordering
2015-10-07T07:25:00 < upgrdman> but i cant wait to finger it in person
2015-10-07T07:25:09 < emeb_mac> good plan
2015-10-07T07:25:13 < emeb_mac> what's the price?
2015-10-07T07:25:23 < upgrdman> i want the best one
2015-10-07T07:25:35 < upgrdman> which is like $2700 for i7 + 16GB + 512GB
2015-10-07T07:25:48 < upgrdman> but they start at $1500
2015-10-07T07:26:12 < emeb_mac> not cheap
2015-10-07T07:26:20 < upgrdman> not poor
2015-10-07T07:31:54 < dongs> < upgrdman> mmmm Surface Book.
2015-10-07T07:31:55 < dongs> wat
2015-10-07T07:32:01 < upgrdman> ?
2015-10-07T07:32:18 < upgrdman> http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book
2015-10-07T07:32:24 < dongs> rite. clicking
2015-10-07T07:32:28 < dongs> so not surfacebro4?
2015-10-07T07:32:29 < dongs> but this?
2015-10-07T07:32:35 < upgrdman> they have that too
2015-10-07T07:32:41 < upgrdman> but the Book is bigger
2015-10-07T07:32:53 < dongs> Screen: 13.5. PixelSense. display
2015-10-07T07:32:54 < dongs> Resolution: 3000 x 2000 (267 PPI)
2015-10-07T07:32:54 < dongs> woo
2015-10-07T07:33:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, its a big Surface that can attach to the laptop part
2015-10-07T07:33:12 < dongs> wait wat
2015-10-07T07:33:12 < dongs> 14"
2015-10-07T07:33:15 < dongs> wat the fuck is this trash
2015-10-07T07:33:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, see link
2015-10-07T07:33:30 < upgrdman> yes
2015-10-07T07:34:22 < dongs> hmm
2015-10-07T07:34:24 < upgrdman> you want a 13.5" laptop for work?
2015-10-07T07:34:31 < upgrdman> i'd want at least 17"
2015-10-07T07:34:37 < dongs> did tehy add a 2nd usb port to bro4
2015-10-07T07:34:48 < upgrdman> R2COM, i5 or i7. 8GB or 16GB. 128/256/512GB
2015-10-07T07:34:53 < dongs> nope :(
2015-10-07T07:34:53 < dongs> fail
2015-10-07T07:34:55 < upgrdman> no
2015-10-07T07:35:04 < upgrdman> dual 4k
2015-10-07T07:35:10 < upgrdman> but not gay hdmi
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2015-10-07T07:36:17 < dongs> mmm
2015-10-07T07:36:19 < dongs> extra pixels on bro4
2015-10-07T07:36:22 < dongs> maybe i should upgrade
2015-10-07T07:36:42 < dongs> which? surfacebook?
2015-10-07T07:36:42 < upgrdman> i5 8 128
2015-10-07T07:37:27 < upgrdman> i kinda wish they
2015-10-07T07:37:34 < upgrdman> i kinda wish they'd do usb-c charging for the surfaces
2015-10-07T07:37:36 < dongs> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.325711500 just go here and click
2015-10-07T07:37:43 < upgrdman> they huge magnetic shit is shit
2015-10-07T07:37:43 < dongs> then click size/shit
2015-10-07T07:37:45 < dongs> and notice price
2015-10-07T07:37:56 < dongs> Microsoft Surface Pro 4 - 256GB / Intel Core i7
2015-10-07T07:37:56 < dongs> Ships by November 20
2015-10-07T07:37:56 < dongs> $1,599.00
2015-10-07T07:38:48 < dongs> Summary:
2015-10-07T07:38:48 < dongs> 256GB / Intel Core i7 - 16GB RAM
2015-10-07T07:38:48 < dongs> Quantity:
2015-10-07T07:38:49 < dongs> $1,799.00
2015-10-07T07:38:52 < dongs> tjat
2015-10-07T07:38:53 < dongs> that
2015-10-07T07:39:01 < dongs> the book looks dumb
2015-10-07T07:39:03 < dongs> to huge
2015-10-07T07:39:22 < upgrdman> i need to finger one in person
2015-10-07T07:39:30 < dongs> it is same
2015-10-07T07:39:34 < upgrdman> if the keyboard sucks ass, its junk
2015-10-07T07:39:53 < upgrdman> i like the dickstand in the pro4 + having usb on the tablet part.
2015-10-07T07:39:58 < dongs> Microsoft Surface Book - 256GB / Intel Core i7
2015-10-07T07:39:58 < dongs> Ships by October 26
2015-10-07T07:39:58 < dongs> $2,099.00
2015-10-07T07:40:07 < dongs> too much for too big
2015-10-07T07:40:10 < dongs> jesus its 1.5kg
2015-10-07T07:40:13 < dongs> fuck right off
2015-10-07T07:40:19 < dongs> at least surfacebro is like 750grams
2015-10-07T07:40:32 < dongs> book = dead as google pixel
2015-10-07T07:40:35 < dongs> mark my words
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2015-10-07T07:40:58 < dongs> for that price i expect a RJ45 lan port
2015-10-07T07:40:59 < upgrdman> the pixle c looks like shit now
2015-10-07T07:40:59 < dongs> which it lacks
2015-10-07T07:41:00 < dongs> nope
2015-10-07T07:41:07 < dongs> pixel C has laways been shit
2015-10-07T07:41:09 < dongs> its fucking android
2015-10-07T07:41:12 < dongs> non-starter
2015-10-07T07:41:23 < dongs> trying to run assdroid on desktop is the dumbest shit next to lunix on desktop
2015-10-07T07:41:27 < upgrdman> i just want a big tablet. if pc, that's just an added bonus
2015-10-07T07:41:48 < upgrdman> 3000x2000
2015-10-07T07:41:51 < upgrdman> on the book
2015-10-07T07:41:55 < dongs> bro4 is better than bro3, about 500 extra pixels
2015-10-07T07:42:23 < dongs> its also 10"
2015-10-07T07:42:26 < dongs> not 14
2015-10-07T07:42:46 < dongs> also not that much less, like wat, 250 on both sides?
2015-10-07T07:42:54 < dongs> 14" is too big to carry around
2015-10-07T07:43:24 < dongs> no its pretty shit
2015-10-07T07:43:27 < dongs> the mouse is awful
2015-10-07T07:43:32 < upgrdman> any openocd pros awake? in linux it works perfectly. im trying it in os x, tried 0.9.0 and 0.8.0, with my stlinkv2, and openocd can only connect once. after that, i have to unplug/replug usb for it to connect again.
2015-10-07T07:44:45 < dongs> lo
2015-10-07T07:44:49 < dongs> R2COM: this is the metro apps trash
2015-10-07T07:44:58 < dongs> not standard windows apps
2015-10-07T07:44:59 < dongs> heh
2015-10-07T07:45:00 < upgrdman> openocd fails to open after the first time with:
2015-10-07T07:45:02 < upgrdman> Info : Unable to match requested speed 1000 kHz, using 950 kHz
2015-10-07T07:45:02 < upgrdman> Info : clock speed 950 kHz
2015-10-07T07:45:02 < upgrdman> Error: read version failed
2015-10-07T07:45:05 < dongs> ie shit you';ll never use
2015-10-07T07:46:06 < upgrdman> is there a youtube metro app?
2015-10-07T07:46:11 < dongs> no clue
2015-10-07T07:46:21 < dongs> first thing i do when install windows
2015-10-07T07:46:27 < dongs> is uninstall/unpin all the metro trash
2015-10-07T07:46:30 < dongs> except like weather
2015-10-07T07:46:36 < dongs> cuz that one is ok
2015-10-07T07:46:52 < dongs> cookings/sports/camera/maps/wahtever zzz
2015-10-07T07:47:10 < dongs> to me, yes
2015-10-07T07:47:13 < dongs> to you, wahtever you want
2015-10-07T07:47:59 < dongs> yea. i dont use it enough to need 16gb ram in a laptop
2015-10-07T07:48:09 < dongs> same for SSD.
2015-10-07T07:49:52 < dongs> its same shit as on bro3
2015-10-07T07:50:03 < dongs> keyboard is usable, mouse is awful, so i just use extenral mouse
2015-10-07T07:50:06 < dongs> yes
2015-10-07T07:50:09 < dongs> any of htem can
2015-10-07T07:50:14 < dongs> displayport, so 4k@60hz
2015-10-07T07:50:37 < dongs> even surfacebro3, but that one's limited to 4k@50hz
2015-10-07T07:50:46 < dongs> using it that way @ office no problem
2015-10-07T07:50:53 < dongs> duno its new skylake shit. i think 4 still
2015-10-07T07:51:13 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/84995/Intel-Core-i7-5650U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz
2015-10-07T07:51:16 < dongs> its probly this
2015-10-07T07:51:27 < dongs> hm thats 2 core, no idea then
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2015-10-07T07:51:50 < dongs> hm it says improved keyboard
2015-10-07T07:51:54 < dongs> maybe the bro4 touch cover is better
2015-10-07T07:52:10 < dongs> indeed
2015-10-07T07:54:07 < dongs> The larger screen has been incorporated without changing the overall dimensions of the system, so it remains compatible with the Surface Pro 3 Dock. Rather, Microsoft has made the bezels narrower, allowing more screen to fit into the same space. The new Surface Pro 4 also ditches the processor fan for silent operation.
2015-10-07T07:54:12 < dongs> wow
2015-10-07T07:54:14 < dongs> awesome
2015-10-07T07:54:58 < dongs> fan didnt turn on bro3 unless i was chatting real hard
2015-10-07T07:56:21 < dongs> oh
2015-10-07T07:56:26 < dongs> it does have a new dockign station tho
2015-10-07T07:56:34 < dongs> 2x 4k screens off that
2015-10-07T07:56:35 < dongs> neat
2015-10-07T07:57:22 < dongs> haha, intel graphics
2015-10-07T07:57:27 < dongs> i play Osu! on it.
2015-10-07T07:57:36 < dongs> thats probly about the max it can do
2015-10-07T07:58:50 < dongs> they might arrest you
2015-10-07T07:58:58 < dongs> thinking they're trying to terrorize the cockpit
2015-10-07T07:59:02 < dongs> as you fly some shit in-game
2015-10-07T07:59:07 < dongs> er they=re = youre
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2015-10-07T08:02:42 < upgrdman> i remember flying as a kid and getting a little tour of the cockpit and talking to the pilot. wow... that not even remotely possible for little kids these days :(
2015-10-07T08:03:29 < upgrdman> i was so stunned when he rolled the airplane slow enough that your couldn't feel it, but looking out the window you could see the horizon tilt
2015-10-07T08:03:38 < upgrdman> (i was like 6 at the time)
2015-10-07T08:04:17 < yan_> upgrdman: sure, a kid can't visit the cockpit of a commercial jet, but stuff like this is possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWDW18ygaw
2015-10-07T08:04:39 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-07T08:04:59 < upgrdman> R2COM, that was IN FLIGHT
2015-10-07T08:05:11 < upgrdman> ya no shit
2015-10-07T08:05:25 < upgrdman> its so much cooler to see shit while they fly
2015-10-07T08:16:45 < dongs> lol @ vid
2015-10-07T08:30:48 < upgrdman> how the fuck do they even pay to ship this internationally for $1 shipped?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Female-100Pcs-Pin-Connector-Terminal-2-54mm-Pitch-Dupont-Jumper-Wire-Cable-MM-/321400984624?hash=item4ad4fdd430
2015-10-07T08:31:55 < dongs> china
2015-10-07T08:32:33 < upgrdman> ya but it costs money to ship, no?
2015-10-07T08:33:21 < Mr_Sheesh> Chinese gov't subsidizes it
2015-10-07T08:38:23 < dongs> whats the current good trasscope from rigol
2015-10-07T08:38:31 < dongs> does DS1052E have the new UI?
2015-10-07T08:38:36 < dongs> that I see people posting here from 4ch scopes
2015-10-07T08:38:41 < dongs> or is that the next step up stuff (for 2ch)
2015-10-07T08:39:49 < upgrdman> ds1052 is old
2015-10-07T08:39:55 < upgrdman> the new one is z something
2015-10-07T08:39:56 < dongs> whats hte current good shit
2015-10-07T08:40:02 < dongs> is it still ~450?
2015-10-07T08:40:14 < upgrdman> good? the good one is >$2k
2015-10-07T08:40:19 < upgrdman> but the decent one is <$500
2015-10-07T08:40:45 < dongs> http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000Z/ds1054z/
2015-10-07T08:40:47 < upgrdman> $400 for the new cheap scope
2015-10-07T08:40:47 < dongs> k this works
2015-10-07T08:40:49 < upgrdman> http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000Z/ds1054z/
2015-10-07T08:40:51 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-07T08:40:51 < dongs> no just retweeting for the nigger
2015-10-07T08:40:53 < dongs> rite, that';ll do
2015-10-07T08:42:34 < dongs> Z is still hax0rable for 100mhz?
2015-10-07T08:42:34 < dongs> heh
2015-10-07T08:42:40 < upgrdman> dunno
2015-10-07T08:42:49 < upgrdman> prolly. see eevjina forums
2015-10-07T08:42:51 < dongs> you didnt hax yours?
2015-10-07T08:42:58 < upgrdman> i have ds4014
2015-10-07T08:43:13 < dongs> o that looks slightly higher end
2015-10-07T08:43:14 < upgrdman> and its supposed to be hackable
2015-10-07T08:43:27 < upgrdman> but i have not had a need to yet
2015-10-07T08:43:45 < upgrdman> ya it's there "nice" 4ch 100mhz scope. $2300
2015-10-07T08:44:06 < upgrdman> i was as nice as i could afford, and its do very well so far
2015-10-07T08:44:26 < upgrdman> if i ever get into rf i'll spend $20k on a tek mdo someshit.
2015-10-07T08:44:51 < dongs> super assburger mode today
2015-10-07T08:44:55 < dongs> didnt do anything
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2015-10-07T08:45:23 < upgrdman> so you have that pnp machine in your office right?
2015-10-07T08:45:38 < upgrdman> why? for small production runs? isn't it cheap to outsource?
2015-10-07T08:45:55 < dongs> yes and not cheap + takes too long
2015-10-07T08:46:05 < dongs> i havent manually placed any caps in ages
2015-10-07T08:46:34 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-07T08:46:34 < dongs> outsourcing one-offs or small batches is super dumb
2015-10-07T08:46:47 < upgrdman> even to .cn?
2015-10-07T08:47:02 < upgrdman> i think my employers has some fuckers in cn make boards like 10 at a time.
2015-10-07T08:47:02 < dongs> no idea, i havent touched .cn pcba since i dont remmeber when
2015-10-07T08:47:09 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-07T08:47:21 < dongs> the only time i tried it took like a month and was awful
2015-10-07T08:47:29 < upgrdman> o
2015-10-07T08:49:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2HvGanC.jpg dat face on 'washing machines'
2015-10-07T08:51:04 < emeb_mac> dafuq is that supposed to be?
2015-10-07T08:51:18 < dongs> gook walmart-like thing
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2015-10-07T10:18:51 < PeterM> dongs, ReadError, upgrdman i dunno if you saw but HK now has free economy shipping on orders over $150 excluding batteries
2015-10-07T10:19:04 < PeterM> unfortunately, to make up for the free shipping, they jacked up prices
2015-10-07T10:19:24 < PeterM> so if you dont want to wait a month  and a bit for your shit to show up, you have to essentialyl pay fgor shipping twice.
2015-10-07T10:22:42 < PeterM> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18129__Turnigy_Aerodrive_SK3_6374_192kv_Brushless_Outrunner_Motor.html was $82~ USD befoe free shipping, now $105`
2015-10-07T10:23:12 < dongs> fuck thatsa wful
2015-10-07T10:23:23 < dongs> and i still cant buy those fucking 6S 22Ah abtts
2015-10-07T10:23:25 < dongs> batts
2015-10-07T10:24:12 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55805__Multistar_High_Capacity_Lightweight_8S_12000mAh_2C_Multi_Rotor_Lipo_Pack.html
2015-10-07T10:24:15 < dongs> lol
2015-10-07T10:24:22 < dongs> OMFG
2015-10-07T10:24:23 < dongs> ITS IN STOCK
2015-10-07T10:24:31 < dongs> wait no
2015-10-07T10:24:33 < dongs> not the 6S
2015-10-07T10:24:33 < dongs> fuck
2015-10-07T10:24:45 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__80907__Multistar_High_Capacity_6S_20000mAh_Multi_Rotor_Lipo_Pack.html
2015-10-07T10:24:48 < dongs> this is hte one i want
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2015-10-07T10:26:06 < dongs> PeterM: what if you login
2015-10-07T10:26:08 < PeterM> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32872230&postcount=9
2015-10-07T10:27:02 < dongs> Multistar_High_Capacity_6S_20000mAh went from 192 to 168
2015-10-07T10:27:04 < dongs> when i logged in
2015-10-07T10:27:08 < dongs> dont remember wat it was before
2015-10-07T10:27:54 < dongs> o fuck
2015-10-07T10:27:55 < dongs> i know
2015-10-07T10:27:57 < PeterM> it went 105>100
2015-10-07T10:28:00 < dongs> im gonna order that lipo to alaska
2015-10-07T10:28:01 < PeterM> still fucked
2015-10-07T10:28:06 < dongs> and the dude will bring
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2015-10-07T10:32:03 < dongs> holy shit
2015-10-07T10:32:05 < dongs> they dont ship to alaska
2015-10-07T10:32:18 < dongs> liveshatting FURIOSULY
2015-10-07T10:40:17 < PeterM> jesus fuck. as an alternative to the motor i linked before i was goign to get one of these, http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14426__Turnigy_CA80_80_Brushless_Outrunner_50_80cc_Eq_.html before prices, it was $157 now its $199
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2015-10-07T10:42:23 < dongs> raped
2015-10-07T10:43:37 < dongs> whast the fuck
2015-10-07T10:43:42 < dongs> liveshat is giving me crap
2015-10-07T10:43:48 < dongs> how the fuck they can not ship shit to alaska
2015-10-07T10:43:59 < qyx> 200A @ 50V?
2015-10-07T10:44:00 < qyx> huh
2015-10-07T10:44:29 < dongs> whats wrong with that
2015-10-07T10:44:41 < dongs> 10 jiggawatts
2015-10-07T10:44:54 < dongs> PeterM: what were you gonna make with that
2015-10-07T10:44:57 < dongs> a human quadcopter?
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2015-10-07T10:46:09 < PeterM> CHA CHA CHA CHAINSAW
2015-10-07T10:46:14 < dongs> oh right
2015-10-07T10:46:55 < PeterM> shit would be super light compared to 50-80cc chainsaw
2015-10-07T10:47:10 < PeterM> put batts in backpack
2015-10-07T10:48:05 < PeterM> would probably run 12s 3p or something (3x6s x2)
2015-10-07T10:50:11 < dongs> Don't worry I will raise this issue so we can do something about it. Hope that will be okay with you.
2015-10-07T10:50:15 < dongs> ?????
2015-10-07T10:50:25 < dongs> How about letting me order the battery you asshole
2015-10-07T10:53:36 < dongs> I cannot do anything to your account. Try to check from time to time to see if we have a shipping method available for that battery.
2015-10-07T10:53:39 < dongs> ????????????
2015-10-07T10:53:42 < dongs> holyt fucking ngidsglkdfjghfdfkjlgh
2015-10-07T10:55:16 < dongs> You are located in UM but one or more products in your cart are from the USA East Warehouse or Store Front and cannot be shipped to your country. Remove the product from your cart and add the International warehouse item with the same SKU.
2015-10-07T10:55:20 < dongs> UM?!
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2015-10-07T10:58:05 < PeterM> where the fuck is "UM"
2015-10-07T10:58:47 < dongs> thats wat i wanna know
2015-10-07T10:58:56 < PeterM> The former .um ccTLD for the U.S. Minor Outlying Islands was removed in April 2008. Under RFC 1591 rules .um is eligible as a ccTLD on request by the relevant governmental agency and local Internet user community.
2015-10-07T10:59:09 < PeterM> i guess US minotr outlying islants
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2015-10-07T11:00:01 < alcaveman> hi - where can i get this big package called STM32CubeF4 or something like that?
2015-10-07T11:00:19 < alcaveman> also feel free to spoon feed me on how to compile my 1st code in assembly
2015-10-07T11:00:30 < PeterM> compile my 1st code in assembly
2015-10-07T11:02:56 < jpa-> why would you write in asm for stm32?
2015-10-07T11:03:03 < jpa-> are you developing zano or something?
2015-10-07T11:03:44 < alcaveman> jpa-: no just to learn. i want to do basic stuff. like barely flip some pins high/low
2015-10-07T11:03:54 < jpa-> use C
2015-10-07T11:03:59 < alcaveman> why not asm?
2015-10-07T11:04:07 < jpa-> because it is useless
2015-10-07T11:04:19 < alcaveman> but i enjoy it
2015-10-07T11:04:52 < jpa-> you enjoy cortex-m assembler? ok, then you know already how to use it
2015-10-07T11:05:25 < alcaveman> is that hard?
2015-10-07T11:06:09 < jpa-> hard to make efficient use of the hardware
2015-10-07T11:06:23 < alcaveman> i hope it's like this: 1) vim app.asm, edit it, save it. 2) gcc-arm-assembler-whatever --target=cortex-m4 app.asm. 3) then finally load assembled thing into uC
2015-10-07T11:06:30 < jpa-> generally much easier to code in C, and if you need assembler level optimizations, tweak the C code to make it better
2015-10-07T11:06:45 < jpa-> pretty much
2015-10-07T11:06:47 < alcaveman> is it much harder than freescale?
2015-10-07T11:06:58 < jpa-> freescale has a billion different cpus
2015-10-07T11:07:23 < jpa-> also, i'm not aware of any register definitions for STM32 assembler, so you may have to write them yourself
2015-10-07T11:07:23 < alcaveman> i did assembly on this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_68HC12
2015-10-07T11:07:51 < jpa-> yeah, 68HC12 was designed for assembler use
2015-10-07T11:07:53 < alcaveman> register definitions?
2015-10-07T11:08:24 < jpa-> not so sure if cortex-m is any harder, just a lot more pointless
2015-10-07T11:08:30 < jpa-> because cortex-m was designed for C
2015-10-07T11:08:38 < alcaveman> what do you mean by register definitions?
2015-10-07T11:08:42 < tkoskine> alcaveman: memory addresses for peripheral control.
2015-10-07T11:08:52 < alcaveman> oh, that kind of registers. not CPU registers
2015-10-07T11:09:23 < ReadError> <alcaveman> hi - where can i get this big package
2015-10-07T11:09:25 < alcaveman> so i'll have to define variable names that point to the right memory address, so that when i use it, it does stuff in an easy way
2015-10-07T11:09:27 < ReadError> heh
2015-10-07T11:09:46 < alcaveman> i am okay to define those :)
2015-10-07T11:10:18 < jpa-> you do realize that the STM32 has over 9000 registers? ;)
2015-10-07T11:10:35 < alcaveman> 9000 for what? it has only 64 pins...
2015-10-07T11:10:54 < jpa-> stuff happens inside it also..
2015-10-07T11:11:12 < ReadError> I suspect you are being trolled
2015-10-07T11:11:19 < alcaveman> which document is the one that shows me all these register locations?
2015-10-07T11:11:28 < jpa-> though you'll probably only need 100 defs or so for your assembler work, i don't think you'll be using the more complex peripherals anyway
2015-10-07T11:11:35 < jpa-> alcaveman: reference manual
2015-10-07T11:11:42 < jpa-> ReadError: which one of us? :D
2015-10-07T11:11:48 < alcaveman> and the reference manual for my specific uC doesn't exist. right?
2015-10-07T11:12:02 < alcaveman> ReadError: i am not trolling. just naturally this stupid. trust me it happens
2015-10-07T11:12:04 < jpa-> sure it exists, ST just sucks and doesn't have F44x reference manual on the site
2015-10-07T11:12:14 < jpa-> use the other F4xx reference manual, it'll be mostly the same
2015-10-07T11:12:27 < ReadError> ST has the slowest site and worst search
2015-10-07T11:12:36 < ReadError> yet constantly ask you how much you like the site
2015-10-07T11:12:42 < alcaveman> some reference said that code examples exist in a zip file called STM32CubeF4. where can i get this?
2015-10-07T11:12:55 < jpa-> try google
2015-10-07T11:13:01 < jpa-> we don't talk about cube here
2015-10-07T11:13:23 < alcaveman> what is cube? all i know it has examples
2015-10-07T11:13:29 < ReadError> lol
2015-10-07T11:14:17 < jpa-> cube is a bunch of C wrapper functions around stdperiph, which is a bunch of C wrapper functions around stm32f4xx.h, which is a nice C register definition file
2015-10-07T11:14:33 < alcaveman> is it free?
2015-10-07T11:14:41 < jpa-> it's goal is to separate you by atleast 2 abstraction layers from the hardware, so that you don't actually accomplish anything
2015-10-07T11:14:47 < jpa-> sure, free as in poo
2015-10-07T11:15:27 < PeterM> i just did a kernel dump, much relief
2015-10-07T11:16:20 < PeterM> need less corn in diet
2015-10-07T11:17:28 < alcaveman> jpa-: i hate abstractions
2015-10-07T11:17:59 < alcaveman> jpa-: i just want to do stuff like this MOVB 0xff, MEMORY_ADDRESS_THAT_CONTROLS_PORT_X
2015-10-07T11:18:57 < alcaveman> how do you guys started with C?
2015-10-07T11:19:06 < alcaveman> i'll start with C then dig into asm later on
2015-10-07T11:19:42 < alcaveman> what i hope is a single header file that has all registers listed in it directly. i.e. without me having to recursively open other header files in the headerfiles
2015-10-07T11:20:16 < jpa-> yeah, stm32f4xx.h is that
2015-10-07T11:20:35 < jpa-> you'll find it inside various stm32 example packages etc, not sure if there is any official place to download just that one file
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2015-10-07T11:20:58 < alcaveman> i got it
2015-10-07T11:21:18 < jpa-> (well, it'll include the ARM core_cm4.h for the cpu core, but that's it)
2015-10-07T11:21:57 < alcaveman> and system_stm32f4xx.h
2015-10-07T11:23:15 < alcaveman> where do you guys get your examples?
2015-10-07T11:23:44 < jpa-> system_xxx you can probably just comment out, IIRC
2015-10-07T11:23:48 < jpa-> i don't have it i think
2015-10-07T11:27:51 < alcaveman> i don't get why the .cpp examples from mbed.com have stuff like: printf("analogin example\n"); where do they think this will get printed on my board? i have no LCD on the board
2015-10-07T11:28:10 < jpa-> serial port, by default
2015-10-07T11:28:17 < BrainDamage> serial port
2015-10-07T11:28:47 < alcaveman> do i have that?
2015-10-07T11:28:50 < jpa-> you can also configure it to go through other methods, like SWO pin or semihosting on the debugger
2015-10-07T11:29:06 < alcaveman> then i screen /dev/ttyS* ?
2015-10-07T11:29:09 < jpa-> on mbed boards, usually the USART0 is connected to usb-serial port adapter
2015-10-07T11:29:17 < jpa->  /dev/ttyACM0 or /dev/ttyUSB0
2015-10-07T11:29:20 < BrainDamage> the mcu has it, whenever you wire it or not is up to you
2015-10-07T11:29:37 < alcaveman> can i say mine is not wired?
2015-10-07T11:29:57 < jpa-> well, is it?
2015-10-07T11:30:02 < alcaveman> how can i know?
2015-10-07T11:30:09 < jpa-> check the board schematics
2015-10-07T11:30:10 < BrainDamage> check the board schematic
2015-10-07T11:30:21 < BrainDamage> bleh, i should stop echo'ing jpa-
2015-10-07T11:30:21 < jpa-> datasheet will tell you the pins, IIRC USART0 is on PA9/10
2015-10-07T11:30:39 < alcaveman> i have SPI it says
2015-10-07T11:30:48 < alcaveman> is that USART?
2015-10-07T11:30:52 < jpa-> no
2015-10-07T11:31:36 < alcaveman> serial peripheral interface
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2015-10-07T11:43:14 < ReadError> dongs boop
2015-10-07T11:43:32 < ReadError> is there no way to selectively disable silk on a pattern in altidumb?
2015-10-07T11:43:44 < ReadError> or only in footprint editor
2015-10-07T11:45:18 < [7]> there's also this, if you're looking for somewhat structured reg definitions: https://github.com/posborne/cmsis-svd/tree/master/data/STMicro
2015-10-07T11:45:30 < [7]> sadly there seem to be more bugs in these than in the header files
2015-10-07T11:47:57 < PeterM> ReadError, there is
2015-10-07T11:48:20 < ReadError> hmm didnt see it in PCB Inspector
2015-10-07T11:48:28 < PeterM> 2 sec
2015-10-07T11:48:28 < ReadError> I could kill off the designator/name
2015-10-07T11:51:28 < PeterM> i can't think of the "proper way" to do it right now, but the dodgy way is unlock primitives > delete silk
2015-10-07T11:52:37 < ReadError> ahh yea that makes sense
2015-10-07T11:53:03 < ReadError> figured they would have an option per component to enable/disable the silk but couldnt see anything obvious
2015-10-07T11:53:34 < scrts> do anyone have PWM example on STM32F4?
2015-10-07T11:55:31 < PeterM> goodle
2015-10-07T11:55:35 < PeterM> google
2015-10-07T11:55:37 < PeterM> ewven
2015-10-07T11:56:51 < scrts> irc is usually faster
2015-10-07T11:57:17 < ReadError> scrts clive1 on the st forums has some good examples
2015-10-07T11:58:32 < scrts> will check, thanks
2015-10-07T11:58:43 < PeterM> that and the multitude of sites that are listen when you search "stm32 f4 pwm timers"
2015-10-07T11:59:43 < Taxman> damn, i ordered a STM32F429ZE at farnell and got a revision "1"
2015-10-07T12:00:17 < ReadError> most confusing thing for me was figuring out the whole prescalar/period selection stuff
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2015-10-07T12:15:36 < tasslehoff> Is the code or an API for the STM32 system bootloader available? Need to write my own, and it would be nice to be able to reuse functionality
2015-10-07T12:17:34 < dongs> not for the ROM one
2015-10-07T12:17:49 < dongs> only start address is documented, i dont think anything else is
2015-10-07T12:18:05 < dongs> theres nothing "special" about bootloader
2015-10-07T12:18:10 < dongs> just write it as any other code
2015-10-07T12:18:23 < tasslehoff> dongs: no, it seems pretty straightforward.
2015-10-07T12:18:33 < tasslehoff> thanks for the info
2015-10-07T12:19:14 < dongs> there'
2015-10-07T12:19:18 < dongs> s examples on the internets
2015-10-07T12:19:24 < dongs> of USB ones at least
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2015-10-07T12:23:14 < tasslehoff> I've written an spi host that writes a new image to flash via the system bootloader, but it is slow.
2015-10-07T12:23:29 < dongs> how does that worK?
2015-10-07T12:23:29 < tasslehoff> That, and security, makes me want to write my own
2015-10-07T12:24:50 < tasslehoff> dongs: checks version info in flash. if needed writes image in 256-byte portions over spi.
2015-10-07T12:25:04 < dongs> right but how does that work over "system bootloader"
2015-10-07T12:25:54 < tasslehoff> dongs: hm. maybe I'm dense now, but I don't understand the question.
2015-10-07T12:26:20 < dongs> < tasslehoff> I've written an spi host that writes a new image to flash via the system bootloader
2015-10-07T12:27:25 < tasslehoff> dongs: yes, but I don't understand what you want to know. The spi host (on linux) communicates with the stm bootloader over spi.
2015-10-07T12:27:44 < dongs> oh, so using STM system bootlolader in SPI mode.
2015-10-07T12:27:48 < dongs> i dont really see why it would be slow
2015-10-07T12:27:51 < tasslehoff> dongs: yes :)
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2015-10-07T12:28:04 < dongs> uart bootloader on F103 loads ~72k image in like 4 seconds
2015-10-07T12:28:11 < tasslehoff> me neither. could be the linux side. lunch now. back in a while :)
2015-10-07T12:28:17 < dongs> lunix for sure.
2015-10-07T12:28:52 < alcaveman> anyone here who uses the mbed.com online compiler?
2015-10-07T12:29:08 < jpa-> linux side will be slow, if it works like "write 256 bytes, then wait for result code, then write more"
2015-10-07T12:32:11 < tkoskine> alcaveman: I don't use the online version, but I clone https://github.com/mbedmicro/mbed and compile it with gcc or IAR.
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2015-10-07T12:33:14 < alcaveman> tkoskine: oh all that code is in github?
2015-10-07T12:33:21 < tkoskine> Yes.
2015-10-07T12:33:27 < alcaveman> rediculously neat
2015-10-07T12:35:01 < alcaveman> tkoskine: can't find their examples there. maybe we talk about diff. things?
2015-10-07T12:35:25 < alcaveman> or did you mean that you only take their libraries, then develop on your own without using their examples?
2015-10-07T12:36:07 < jpa-> the examples are in git also, you'll find the links from the mbed pages
2015-10-07T12:36:30 < tkoskine> That mbedmicro/mbed contains the "sdk" or the runtime part of mbed. You can copy paste the examples from wiki/etc to a separate main.cpp and just compile everything together.
2015-10-07T12:37:04 < jpa-> https://developer.mbed.org/teams/mbed/code/mbed_blinky/   hmm looks like mercurial actually, but anyway
2015-10-07T12:45:52 < alcaveman> coding a simple sinwave LED blinker in cpp costs me twenty-freaking-thousand bytes holy mooly
2015-10-07T12:49:21 < tasslehoff> dongs: jpa- : I suspect linux as well. seems I spend a lot of time waiting for ack/nack.
2015-10-07T12:49:46 < tasslehoff> jpa-: it does work like you say, and the first version uses spidev.
2015-10-07T12:51:51 < jpa-> alcaveman: when you bring in a library, such as mbed that has a whole RTOS, there is some constant overhead
2015-10-07T12:53:54 < dongs> since hwen does mbed have rtos?
2015-10-07T12:54:01 < dongs> i thought it was tarduino while(1) loop() style
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2015-10-07T12:55:49 < jpa-> hm, i wonder how realtime it actually is
2015-10-07T12:56:24 < jpa-> ah yeah, not realtime
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2015-10-07T12:57:15 < jpa-> though with cortex-m, one would probably do realtime stuff in interrupts anyway
2015-10-07T12:59:21 < jpa-> https://github.com/ARMmbed/minar/blob/master/source/minar.cpp   not quite tarduino style
2015-10-07T12:59:46 < jpa-> but also differs from typical rtos - more like   callMeAt(1234, callback);   instead of threads
2015-10-07T12:59:50 < dongs> ugh nasty C++ Shit
2015-10-07T13:00:30 < tkoskine> mbed os is quite new thing, here some docs: http://docs.mbed.com/docs/getting-started-mbed-os/en/latest/FirstProjectmbedOS/
2015-10-07T13:00:31 < jpa-> well mbed is totally c++ yeah
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2015-10-07T13:00:43 < jpa-> https://developer.mbed.org/handbook/RTOS   looks like they had rtos but no longer will
2015-10-07T13:00:53 < jpa-> IMO the callback style is better fit for embedded
2015-10-07T13:01:08 < jpa-> in my typical chibios apps, tons of stack is wasted on threads that just wait
2015-10-07T13:01:10 < alcaveman> the online compiler from mbed.com is nice. it shows me memory usage :)
2015-10-07T13:01:26 < jpa-> static memory use only, or does it estimate stack & heap also?
2015-10-07T13:01:27 < dongs> jpa, then why the fuck you have huge stacks in dead threads?
2015-10-07T13:01:35 < dongs> cant you set per-thread stack size in chibidongs
2015-10-07T13:01:45 < jpa-> dongs: of course you can
2015-10-07T13:01:50 < dongs> then what are you bitchin about
2015-10-07T13:01:52 < alcaveman> jpa-: no idea. i just see two green boxes one says Flash and the other RAM
2015-10-07T13:02:03 < jpa-> dongs: but i mean threads like    while(1) { waitForEvent(); doHugeThing(); }
2015-10-07T13:02:18 < jpa-> alcaveman: static probably then.. so you can still have fun surprises at runtime :)
2015-10-07T13:02:48 < alcaveman> yeah their website is not linked to my board they can't know
2015-10-07T13:03:16 < jpa-> hm, i would say it most probably knows the board it is compiling for
2015-10-07T13:03:54 < alcaveman> yeah it does. but doesn't exchange data via STLINK/v2 continously to measure actual ram at that time
2015-10-07T13:04:25 < alcaveman> sorry i didn't specify what sort of 'link' i am talking about
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2015-10-07T13:04:28 < jpa-> sure, but one can estimate stack usage without running application
2015-10-07T13:05:04 < alcaveman> only allah knows
2015-10-07T13:06:19 < jpa-> nah, dongs knows better
2015-10-07T13:06:56 < alcaveman> did you know that allah has 99 names, none of them are 'dongs'
2015-10-07T13:07:25 < PeterM> some include jean claude van damme though
2015-10-07T13:08:01 < alcaveman> all allah names http://www.searchtruth.com/Allah/99Names.php
2015-10-07T13:08:07 < jpa-> alcaveman: yeah, because dongs is better
2015-10-07T13:08:35 < alcaveman> there is even a phone app so that you can store all the 99 names of the allah in your phone. can dongs do that?
2015-10-07T13:10:11 < PeterM> nah, you have allah for that, he rembers all of dongss names, because allah looks up to the timecop
2015-10-07T13:10:29 < jpa-> wow 99 strings in a phone
2015-10-07T13:10:34 < jpa-> such magic storage technology
2015-10-07T13:10:40 < qyx> so flash
2015-10-07T13:10:56 < alcaveman> so in case someone asks you in streets "tell me the.. 23rd name" you can answer
2015-10-07T13:13:08 < jpa-> what crimes did allah do that he needs so many cover-up names?
2015-10-07T13:13:25 < PeterM> if someone asks me the 23rd name in the streetes i tell them andre young and then get respect
2015-10-07T13:13:42 < PeterM> or shot
2015-10-07T13:13:45 < PeterM> either way
2015-10-07T13:13:54 < jpa-> alcaveman: have you been shooting any cartoonists lately?
2015-10-07T13:14:45 < alcaveman> nah not cartoonist seasons now, shot 2-3 only
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2015-10-07T14:04:51 < rewolff> Tasslehoff: Linux SPI system is TERRIBLY slow. A client asked me to write an SPI driver for his hardware. He gave me realistic requirements with respect to speed. After writing a standard SPI driver, it was 100 times too slow (i.e. If I manage to cut away 90% of the code as being unnecessary, I'd still be 10 times too slow)  I then wrote a "character device" driver that talked to the hardware. Plenty fast.
2015-10-07T14:19:12 < PaulFertser> rewolff: by "Linux SPI system" you mean using userspace /dev/spi interface?
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2015-10-07T14:19:34 < Laurenceb> so...
2015-10-07T14:19:44 < Laurenceb> is F1 revision X newer than 1  ?
2015-10-07T14:19:46 < rewolff> Yeah, I think so, that that's what we tested it with.
2015-10-07T14:23:57 < PaulFertser> rewolff: ok, so just the userspace interface is slow.
2015-10-07T14:31:18 < Laurenceb> any idea what the e4 means?
2015-10-07T14:31:19 < Laurenceb> http://i0.wp.com/tronixstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kit-Review-JYE-Tech-DSO138-Digital-Storage-Oscilloscope-tronixstuff-8.jpg?resize=500%2C562
2015-10-07T14:36:30 < Laurenceb> I have some that look that, and they fail
2015-10-07T14:36:34 < Laurenceb> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/781539684/Free-Shipping-20PCS-Lot-STM32F103CBT6-STM32F103-ST-LQFP48-IC.jpg
2015-10-07T14:36:37 < Laurenceb> these work ok
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2015-10-07T15:00:41 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRlhNUTBfTDdoUEk/view?usp=sharing
2015-10-07T15:00:53 < kakimir> need to make it slightly bigger
2015-10-07T15:01:01 < kakimir> to fit male
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2015-10-07T15:30:22 < Laurenceb> lolowned http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bahar-mustafa-charged-with-sending-malicious-message-after-tweeting-kill-all-white-men-a6683241.html
2015-10-07T15:30:45 < Laurenceb> whats inside kakimir?
2015-10-07T15:32:24 < kakimir> "a clock"
2015-10-07T15:33:23 < kakimir> you may not look inside
2015-10-07T15:33:23 < Laurenceb> rofl
2015-10-07T15:36:10 < ReadError> I read that as massage at first
2015-10-07T15:41:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbFdXaC11alh0ejg/view?usp=sharing analog inputs
2015-10-07T15:41:21 < kakimir> RF ready
2015-10-07T15:46:59 < Laurenceb> nice
2015-10-07T15:47:32 < Laurenceb> looks like I'm going to have to have dead bugged resistors put on revision X boards at the factory :S
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2015-10-07T15:54:30 < Tectu> dongs, you doing CMSIS-RTOS?
2015-10-07T15:55:18 < Laurenceb> sounds unlikely
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2015-10-07T16:22:48 < Getty> btw, 10.10. is another 30 Years Amiga Event, this time in germany
2015-10-07T16:23:07 < Getty> i was in amsterdam and i help organize the one here in germany, lot of original amiga creators will come
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2015-10-07T16:50:18 < rewolff> PaulFertser: (sorry other distractions...) I don't think it was the userinterface/SPIDEV that caused the problems/delays. I think the "SPI driver framework" provides nice features that allow big transactions to go through efficiently, but at a "high latency" cost. It's the high latency that caused problems in my case.
2015-10-07T16:51:08 < PaulFertser> rewolff: but you said you then wrote a kernel driver that talked to the hardware and it worked fast.
2015-10-07T16:51:15 < PaulFertser> Or did it use a different bus?
2015-10-07T16:51:47 < rewolff> Ignoring the SPI driver framework, it didn't register with the kernel as an SPI bus.
2015-10-07T16:52:05 < rewolff> It declared itself a character device, and then t hings worked smoothly.
2015-10-07T16:52:38 < PaulFertser> rewolff: "It" -- what?
2015-10-07T16:52:48 < rewolff> it: My new driver.
2015-10-07T16:52:57 < PaulFertser> rewolff: but how did you access SPI controller then?
2015-10-07T16:53:05 < rewolff> poke the registers?
2015-10-07T16:53:17 < rewolff> Oh yo mean from userspace?
2015-10-07T16:53:24 < rewolff> write to the character device.
2015-10-07T16:53:49 < rewolff> every write becomes an SPI transaction, (CS ... data NCS).
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2015-10-07T16:54:11 < rewolff> *you
2015-10-07T16:54:45 < PaulFertser> rewolff: I mean if you say in-kernel SPI framework is slow, then how did the in-kernel driver work?
2015-10-07T16:54:46 < rewolff> Laurenceb: what's wrong with the F103 on your DSO138? It looks just like mine.....
2015-10-07T16:55:07 < rewolff> My new driver didn't use the in-kernel SPI framework.
2015-10-07T16:55:30 < PaulFertser> rewolff: did it access the SPI master hardware directly?
2015-10-07T16:55:46 < rewolff> My "old" driver used the SPI framework, meaning that it became accessible on /dev/spidev0.0 and such.
2015-10-07T16:56:14 < rewolff> Yeah. Sure. That's what drivers do: access hardware.
2015-10-07T16:56:23 < PaulFertser> That means you're using kernel-userspace interface to the in-kernel SPI framework, ok, that might be slow, I can imagine.
2015-10-07T16:56:58 < Laurenceb> rewolff: interesting, how old is your F103?
2015-10-07T16:57:19 < Laurenceb> we are having to recall a ton of devices as they break after 3 months of use
2015-10-07T16:57:46 < rewolff> Auch!
2015-10-07T16:57:54 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-10-07T16:58:05 < Laurenceb> only the revision X F103 breaks
2015-10-07T16:58:27 < Laurenceb> revision 1 is on all our other boards, and no issues from users
2015-10-07T16:59:01 < rewolff> It's the X  / 1 all the way at the end (bottom right)?
2015-10-07T16:59:06 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-10-07T16:59:21 < rewolff> I have an "X" on my DSO. Date 516. (2015 week 16?)
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2015-10-07T16:59:35 < rewolff> Your picture has 404, week 4, 2014, right?
2015-10-07T16:59:48 < Laurenceb> yeah I think so
2015-10-07T16:59:59 < Laurenceb> thats not my actualy hardware, cant post pictures of work kit
2015-10-07T17:00:07 < Laurenceb> so looks like X is most recent
2015-10-07T17:00:34 < Laurenceb> the WKUP pin develops a 2µA leakage current that prevents the device turning off
2015-10-07T17:01:04 < Laurenceb> we suspect its due to a voltage spike when the USB is plugged in on PCs with high usb voltage
2015-10-07T17:01:13 < Laurenceb> but need to wait another 3 months to find out :S
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2015-10-07T17:02:50 < rewolff> Hmm.
2015-10-07T17:03:23 < rewolff> The errata sheet from ST doesn't allow for an "X" revision of the chip.... http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/CD00211391.pdf
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2015-10-07T17:04:18 < rewolff> Wait. I think I got the wrong errata.
2015-10-07T17:04:22 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/CD00190234.pdf
2015-10-07T17:04:29 < rewolff> Seems the rigth one does mention the X rev.
2015-10-07T17:04:44 < rewolff> Yeah. Got that one now as well....
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2015-10-07T17:08:07 < Laurenceb> theres no info on order, but it looks like X is most recent
2015-10-07T17:08:35 < Laurenceb> all I can see on the scope is 4.2V for 200µs
2015-10-07T17:09:00 < Laurenceb> on port a pin 0
2015-10-07T17:09:58 < Laurenceb> but I guess its over spec, and if you work out the energy dissipated in the ESD diode, its comparable with the JEDEC spec in the datasheet
2015-10-07T17:10:22 < Laurenceb> so I guess it could eventually degrade the ESD protection giving a leakage
2015-10-07T17:10:36 < Laurenceb> i think the 2µA leakage is coming through the ESd diode
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2015-10-07T17:14:43 < aadamson> coming late to the discussion and have no direct experience, but looking at the F103 datasheet (just picked one of the 128k parts), PA0 is only rated to 3.3v, it's not a 5v pin so it doesn't surprise me that 4.2v would kill it
2015-10-07T17:15:03 < Laurenceb> yeah, but absolute max is 4v
2015-10-07T17:15:13 < Laurenceb> 3.3v + 0.7v for the diode
2015-10-07T17:15:55 < aadamson> yeah just looked at the absolute numbers
2015-10-07T17:16:01 < Laurenceb> true
2015-10-07T17:16:15 < rewolff> Do they specify 4.0V? Or VCC+0.7? I remember seeing those specs with "some margin".... i.e. max VCC + 0.3
2015-10-07T17:16:28 < aadamson> 4.0v
2015-10-07T17:17:00 < Laurenceb> yeah thats weird
2015-10-07T17:17:27 < Laurenceb> surely its going to scale with VCC due to the ESD diodes
2015-10-07T17:17:29 < aadamson> input voltage on 5v vdd+4.0, input voltage on any other 4.0
2015-10-07T17:17:48 < Laurenceb> maybe they use zeners
2015-10-07T17:18:01 < rewolff> Yeah, they have a different construct there. Either say 7 diodes in series, or a zener.
2015-10-07T17:18:01 < Laurenceb> in which case it doesnt explain where the leakage comes from
2015-10-07T17:18:36 < Laurenceb> unless a fet is degraded or something
2015-10-07T17:18:55 < aadamson> ya might go poke around, I forget which, but I've seen the pin diagram show a better internal view of it's make up in one of the DS's
2015-10-07T17:19:05 < rewolff> Anyway, I'd suspect that you would be able to fry an input with VDD=2.0 and the input at 4V....
2015-10-07T17:19:10 < rewolff> Oh wait!
2015-10-07T17:19:16 < rewolff> There is the 4V again!
2015-10-07T17:19:30 < rewolff> They have a 4V zener to GND instead of the ESD diode to VDD!
2015-10-07T17:19:40 < Laurenceb> ah good point
2015-10-07T17:19:44 < rewolff> The zener is to VDD if the pin is 5V tolerant!
2015-10-07T17:19:52 < Laurenceb> yeah they probably use 4v zeners for everything
2015-10-07T17:20:09 < Laurenceb> odd that 4.2v would fry it
2015-10-07T17:20:29 < aadamson> might your scope not be picking up the *peak*?
2015-10-07T17:20:30 < Laurenceb> maybe its very small so the heating quickly damages it
2015-10-07T17:20:49 < Laurenceb> nah I sampled plenty fast
2015-10-07T17:20:49 < rewolff> Yeah, in a "chip process" you are probably lucky if you can make a zener, And there is probably only one choice.
2015-10-07T17:21:03 < Laurenceb> I can work this out anyway
2015-10-07T17:21:07 < Laurenceb> using the JEDEC specs
2015-10-07T17:21:35 < Laurenceb> could even import a diode model into thermal multiphysics if i could be bothered
2015-10-07T17:22:37 < Laurenceb> back of envelope suggests the 4.2v transient is going to dump a similar amount of energy as the max rated ESD event
2015-10-07T17:22:59 < Laurenceb> so I guess it makes sense, they must have changed something in the fab process
2015-10-07T17:25:40 < karlp> heh, phpunit-vw is awesome
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2015-10-07T17:29:41 < rewolff> If you see a 4.2V spike, that imho, would be that the zener starts conducting at 4.2V (which is above the specified max of 4.0V) The amount of current/ the amount of energy that goes into that zener then is unknown, unless you have a current limiting resistor in there somewhere.....
2015-10-07T17:30:39 < Laurenceb> i do, thats how i worked out the energy dissipation
2015-10-07T17:31:02 < Laurenceb> and its similar to a 100pF cap at 2000V, so looks like it could be fried
2015-10-07T17:31:17 < Laurenceb> as thats the ESD spec for F103
2015-10-07T17:31:22 < rewolff> Ok...
2015-10-07T17:31:34 < Laurenceb> woops :P
2015-10-07T17:31:39 < rewolff> ?
2015-10-07T17:31:52 < Laurenceb> I did the component selection
2015-10-07T17:32:10 < Laurenceb> now we have to recall and swap resistors on thousands of boards
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2015-10-07T17:55:50 < karlp> PaulFertser: excusing the linux user spi as being "user mode problem" isn't very helpful.  the whole poitn of userspace is to let users do useful things.
2015-10-07T17:56:17 < karlp> saying youhave to do it in the kernel if you want even remotely decent speeds is ignoring the world
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2015-10-07T18:05:58 < rewolff> Laurenceb: The amount of energy in the diode would be current * (4.2V - 3.3V) * time. But if it's a zener-to-ground, then it would be current * 4.2V * time... More than 4 times more! ... Assuming we "figured out" that it was a zener-to-ground, did you do the math correctly?
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2015-10-07T18:14:12 < Laurenceb> I think so
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2015-10-07T18:17:08 < mtbg> hi
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2015-10-07T18:28:11 < PaulFertser> karlp: well, saying that the whole Linux SPI framework is slow is not fair and useful either.
2015-10-07T18:28:30 < PaulFertser> karlp: and probably the interface was used in a wrong fashion, e.g. opening/closing spidev all the time.
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2015-10-07T23:58:17 < kakimir> niggas
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2015-10-08T02:33:26 < dongs>  lets not
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2015-10-08T03:05:04 < artag> how valid is the criticism in this thread ? http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/st's-%28stm32cube%29-software-ecosystem-is-terrible-how-can-we-fix-it/
2015-10-08T03:05:25 < dongs> considering its eevfag blog, not very
2015-10-08T03:06:39 < dongs> this looks like a copypaste from somewehre else
2015-10-08T03:06:56 < artag> i tend to agree, there's good stuff there but a lot of yowling too. But it's pretty onesided. even the best are only 'damning with faint praise'
2015-10-08T03:07:21 < GargantuaSauce> i dont think many people here are going to disagree that cube is shit
2015-10-08T03:08:18 < artag> oddly, i was getting pretty impatient with the old libs and found cube pretty nice to use (and I'm not big on guis). but it sounds like it's just as buggy as everything else
2015-10-08T03:09:13 < GargantuaSauce> my position is that the best approach is write your own hal
2015-10-08T03:09:25 < artag> I'm not expecting efficient code, I had a good laugh when I found out how fast the toggle function in the f3discovery code worked. but I'd expect it to be at least working, and replaceable with faster code where needed
2015-10-08T03:09:41 < GargantuaSauce> because every other hal will fail to abstract away some particular detail that will come to bite you in the ass anyway
2015-10-08T03:10:01 < artag> I don't see the need for a hal personally. or at least, not one worthy of the name.
2015-10-08T03:10:05 < dongs> when do you think the registration will be possible? We are desparately waiting to try out our ZANO ...
2015-10-08T03:10:08 < dongs> I got my ZANO 10 days ago and it is still standing in my cabinet.
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2015-10-08T03:11:15 < artag> is that a quote from the kickstarter dongs ? I can't imagine someone getting a new shiny and waiting to register it before he played with it
2015-10-08T03:11:27 < artag> or tore it to bits
2015-10-08T03:12:02 < dongs> zano forum yeah. prety sure anyone who bought one off dickstarter is a moron or else tehy woudln't be spending that kinda money on it.
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2015-10-08T03:15:19 < dongs> http://www.diptrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18641#p18641 LOLZ
2015-10-08T03:15:23 < dongs> successful troll is successful
2015-10-08T03:20:57 < GargantuaSauce> i cant even tell if he's trolling or being trolled
2015-10-08T03:21:05 < GargantuaSauce> and it's all fuckin irrelevant cause dicktrace works great in wine
2015-10-08T03:21:06 < dongs> hes replying to a troll by me on page 3
2015-10-08T03:21:24 < dongs> Then again there are others of us who are too lazy to follow the news. Specifically the news that over the weekend of Sept 13th Microsoft dumped 6 GB of Windows 10 Snoopware into Windows 7 Computers without the knowledge of their owners. This was done through the Automatic Security Update feature. Or should I say INSecurity Update Feature.
2015-10-08T03:21:29 < dongs> haha
2015-10-08T03:21:30 < dongs> lunixfgt below him
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2015-10-08T03:33:55 < gxti> anyone attempted to do usb audio with adaptive clocking?
2015-10-08T03:34:25 < gxti> trying to figure out whether it's even worth looking at, or should i just use asynchronous mode and put a fancy tcxo on the audio master clock
2015-10-08T03:40:15 < dongs> rubidium reference
2015-10-08T03:40:20 < dongs> then slap a $10k pricetag on your shit
2015-10-08T03:40:33 < gxti> nah chipscale atomic clock is the hotness now
2015-10-08T03:40:48 < dongs> http://www.thinksrs.com/products/PRS10.htm
2015-10-08T03:40:48 < dongs> here you go
2015-10-08T03:40:53 < gxti> but no this isn't audiophool, it's a different brand of crazy
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2015-10-08T03:48:17 < zyp> gxti, I've attempted, didn't get it to work properly
2015-10-08T03:48:29 < gxti> what about async?
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2015-10-08T03:49:04 < zyp> wait, what do you call adaptive and what do you call async?
2015-10-08T03:49:06 < gxti> seems straightforward, with async i guess i'm more worried about hosts not implementing it right and underrunning
2015-10-08T03:49:32 < gxti> async = undisciplined clock in device
2015-10-08T03:50:22 < zyp> oh, sorry, that's what I referred to then when I said I didn't get it to work properly
2015-10-08T03:50:38 < zyp> the stuff that's using a feedback endpoint to control the data rate from the host
2015-10-08T03:50:44 < gxti> hm
2015-10-08T03:51:08 < zyp> I didn't try very hard though
2015-10-08T03:51:10 < gxti> and sync is locked to SOF and adaptive is locked to the sink data stream apparently
2015-10-08T03:51:40 < zyp> uh, wat
2015-10-08T03:51:45 < zyp> now you're confusing me again
2015-10-08T03:51:55 < gxti> it's straight from the usb spec. but i still don't quite get it either.
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2015-10-08T03:52:50 < gxti> i think sync means every frame has the same number of bytes period, and making that work is the device's problem
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2015-10-08T03:54:16 < zyp> yeah, which means clocked by host
2015-10-08T03:54:36 < zyp> i.e. source for outputs
2015-10-08T03:55:13 < gxti> i think async is what i need, stability is the critical factor. i don't really care if the rate is 5ppm off.
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2015-10-08T03:55:34 < zyp> then there's the stuff where you have a sync feedback endpoint to make the host adjust the number of samples it sends, which lets you lock the rate to the sink clock
2015-10-08T03:55:43 < zyp> but what's the third?
2015-10-08T03:55:43 < gxti> i had an audiophool async dac that lunix did not like though so i'm kind of worried about the host not behaving right
2015-10-08T03:57:43 < zyp> I tried only with OS X
2015-10-08T03:58:02 < zyp> I got the feedback stuff to do something, but I didn't get it to work properly, I don't remember exactly how
2015-10-08T03:58:21 < zyp> and the problem was probably all on me
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2015-10-08T03:59:20 < zyp> I was running with I2S MCLK derived from the F4 PLL, so it couldn't make an exact 48k*256 or whatever it was supposed to be
2015-10-08T03:59:41 < zyp> 12.288MHz
2015-10-08T04:00:05 < zyp> so I tried getting the host to sync to my closest match
2015-10-08T04:01:21 < gxti> so if you have just an adaptive source, it gets feedback from host on sample rate like a mirror image of async mode
2015-10-08T04:01:52 < gxti> and if you have an adaptive sink it's synchronized based on number of samples in the frame it gets (instead of fixed number of samples)... why this matters is beyond me
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2015-10-08T04:02:18 < gxti> and if you have both then source is slaved to sink? i don't get it. i guess i don't really care anymore.
2015-10-08T04:02:23 < gxti> async it is.
2015-10-08T04:02:49 < zyp> ah, so sync is SOF sync, adaptive is synced to whatever host wants to sync to and async is synced to whatever device wants to sync to?
2015-10-08T04:03:05 < gxti> pretty much. i think the details on the adaptive one are flexible.
2015-10-08T04:03:09 < zyp> okay
2015-10-08T04:03:21 < zyp> hmm, I'm not sure I have the code for the adaptive stuff
2015-10-08T04:03:50 < zyp> looks like I never committed it, probably because I didn't get it to work
2015-10-08T04:04:18 < zyp> and I don't assume you're interested in just the base code?
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2015-10-08T04:04:47 < gxti> nah just looking for ideas
2015-10-08T04:06:10 < zyp> at least it's ready to run on F4 disco if you need anything to experiment with
2015-10-08T04:06:14 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp?h=usb_audio
2015-10-08T04:06:31 < gxti> yeah i need to do that. i love laying out hardware but i never spend enough time actually figuring out how much software i am going to end up with.
2015-10-08T04:06:46 < dongs> use kikecad
2015-10-08T04:07:19 < gxti> but i am a REAL PRO EE so i only use REAL PRO EE SOFT
2015-10-08T04:07:22 < zyp> I like prototyping the software before making the hardware
2015-10-08T04:07:31 < gxti> zyp: that would be the smart way to do it
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2015-10-08T04:21:26 < dongs> gxti: i beepoed before but you were gone
2015-10-08T04:21:35 < dongs> hwo big is your current lwip + ntpshit firmware compiled?
2015-10-08T04:21:36 < dongs> on f107
2015-10-08T04:22:01 < dongs> dickheads here trying to go to f407 cuz F1 "only has 256k flash"
2015-10-08T04:22:29 < dongs> need to do some very simple UDP blasting of crap
2015-10-08T04:22:52 < gxti> haha
2015-10-08T04:22:58 < gxti> 94k and that's with a bunch of bloat
2015-10-08T04:23:03 < gxti> could fit in 64k if you squeeze
2015-10-08T04:23:07 < dongs> thats what i figured
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2015-10-08T04:24:34 < gxti> i think when i had a tftp bootloader i got it under 24k, can't remember
2015-10-08T04:28:48 < dongs> is that with gcc?
2015-10-08T04:28:50 < dongs> pretty pro
2015-10-08T04:29:02 < dongs> i guess it would be like 16k with a real compiler.
2015-10-08T04:29:24 < gxti> k
2015-10-08T04:30:10 < dongs> attn upgrdman http://gfycat.com/WeakKindDiscus
2015-10-08T04:30:16 < GargantuaSauce> yeah llvm is doing much better for cortex-m these days!!
2015-10-08T04:30:32 < dongs> still opensores shite
2015-10-08T04:30:44 < dongs> rumor is newest arm compiler is acutally llvm
2015-10-08T04:30:55 < GargantuaSauce> what are you gonna do
2015-10-08T04:30:57 < dongs> i wonder how much shittier it will be
2015-10-08T04:30:59 < dongs> compared to real armcc
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2015-10-08T04:58:40 < aandrew> ugh altium is shit too
2015-10-08T04:59:04 < gxti> everything is shit
2015-10-08T05:00:20 < GargantuaSauce> all software is awful
2015-10-08T05:00:37 < dongs> kikecad is just super awful
2015-10-08T05:01:22 < GargantuaSauce> and how many large hardons has altium collided, huh?
2015-10-08T05:01:48 < dongs> enough for CERN to maintain a fucking altium component library
2015-10-08T05:02:05 < GargantuaSauce> .....granted
2015-10-08T05:02:15 < dongs> http://ts-dep-dem.web.cern.ch/ts-dep-dem/services/library/
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2015-10-08T05:02:42 < dongs> kikecad isnt even on taht list
2015-10-08T05:02:49 < dongs> probably cuz making components there is so retarded nobody wants to do it for free
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2015-10-08T05:20:24 < ReadError> hrm
2015-10-08T05:20:27 < ReadError> where is the download
2015-10-08T05:20:33 < ReadError> I want some CERN libs
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2015-10-08T05:22:32 < dongs> its on cern intranet
2015-10-08T05:22:44 < dongs> i only steal some 3d models from it sometimes
2015-10-08T05:23:50 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/co0Gv
2015-10-08T05:23:58 < ReadError> check out my first altidumb finished project
2015-10-08T05:24:05 < dongs> rofl
2015-10-08T05:24:12 < dongs> dumb cloner
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2015-10-08T05:24:30 < ReadError> wot did i clone m8 ?
2015-10-08T05:25:04 < dongs> you for sure didnt write any firmware
2015-10-08T05:25:27 < ReadError> well yea, I got better things to do than that
2015-10-08T05:26:05 < dongs> i bet
2015-10-08T05:26:12 < ReadError> i think it came out pretty pro for my first time
2015-10-08T05:26:20 < ReadError> im happy anyways]
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2015-10-08T05:31:01 < ReadError> dongs is there any reason not to use teardrops?
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2015-10-08T05:31:24 < dongs> no, they're nice
2015-10-08T05:31:25 < ReadError> could it fuck up during reflow since how quickly pads heat?
2015-10-08T05:31:41 < ReadError> tombstone city
2015-10-08T05:31:57 < dongs> no difference
2015-10-08T05:32:55 < ReadError> nice
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2015-10-08T05:39:34 < dongs> anyawy, it has no bad things and bunch of good things
2015-10-08T05:39:42 < dongs> so no reason to not have them
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2015-10-08T05:52:08 < ReadError> yea im gonna start using chinaspecs on new shit instead of osh
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2015-10-08T06:01:16 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-08T06:02:10 < dongs> zano registration opens this evening JST (morning BST i guess)
2015-10-08T06:04:19 < Roklobsta> alas you can't do any interesting permutations with the letters in zano.
2015-10-08T06:05:10 < dongs> wtf some asshole on zano forum posted this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=UI-hRRtNDF0
2015-10-08T06:05:22 < dongs> whats the point of waterproofing a fucking cage light?
2015-10-08T06:05:53 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=13454#p13454
2015-10-08T06:06:06 < zyp> hahaha
2015-10-08T06:06:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm7nThyYR8Y and this
2015-10-08T06:06:38 < zyp> they're spraying the commutator on the drill motor, how the fuck is that supposed to help? :D
2015-10-08T06:06:42 < dongs> yes
2015-10-08T06:07:03 < dongs> cage light, drills, and a fucking hair dryer
2015-10-08T06:07:06 < dongs> ????
2015-10-08T06:07:22 < dongs> probly to sell to same kinda assholes that are buying zano
2015-10-08T06:07:34 < dongs> Roklobsta: nazo is OK
2015-10-08T06:07:36 < zyp> the people that would fall for a scam?
2015-10-08T06:08:33 < dongs> R2COM: there are things to apply to electroncis / phones / etc to waterproof them but they dont fucking advertise with a hair dryer under water
2015-10-08T06:08:38 < zyp> sure, coating assembled pcbs exists
2015-10-08T06:08:54 < zyp> but those doesn't contain moving parts
2015-10-08T06:09:02 < gxti> conformal coating a pcb with no moving parts and little volume...
2015-10-08T06:09:18 < zyp> conformal coating was the word I couldn't remember
2015-10-08T06:09:48 < zyp> you can also encase the entire thing in epoxy
2015-10-08T06:10:07 < zyp> but again, no moving parts
2015-10-08T06:11:02 < zyp> how the fuck would contacts work if they are covered? how the fuck would they be waterproof if they aren't?
2015-10-08T06:11:12 < zyp> this should be obvious
2015-10-08T06:11:13 < dongs> http://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/neverwet/ there's this
2015-10-08T06:11:30 < dongs> i heard neptunepine used this stuff
2015-10-08T06:11:31 < dongs> to 'waterproof'
2015-10-08T06:11:35 < dongs> their "smartwatch"
2015-10-08T06:11:45 < zyp> they should have used a drill with a BLDC motor, that would have been more believable :p
2015-10-08T06:12:11 < dongs> do those exist?
2015-10-08T06:12:21 < ReadError> neverwet leaves a strange haze on stuff
2015-10-08T06:12:26 < ReadError> but works pretty well
2015-10-08T06:12:30 < zyp> idk
2015-10-08T06:13:05 < dongs> https://www.milwaukeetool.com/brushless-motors
2015-10-08T06:13:06 < dongs> seems
2015-10-08T06:13:18 < zyp> yeah, apparently lots of power tools are brushless nowadays
2015-10-08T06:13:22 < zyp> http://www.dewalt.com/20v-XR-extreme-runtime-brushless-motors.aspx
2015-10-08T06:14:09 < Roklobsta> probably comes from the same drill factory as Ozito.
2015-10-08T06:14:43 < Roklobsta> Ozito == guaranteed for 27 drill holes but that's it.
2015-10-08T06:15:13 < dongs> i like those dewalt tables
2015-10-08T06:15:20 < dongs> they're comparing 3Ah batts with 4Ah
2015-10-08T06:15:43 < dongs> and in general, lower Ah brushed -> higher Ah brushless
2015-10-08T06:15:59 < dongs> i bet if you normalized them (even linearly) the difference wouldnt be so drastic
2015-10-08T06:16:28 < zyp> isn't the whole point of marketing to obscure facts?
2015-10-08T06:16:34 < dongs> sure
2015-10-08T06:16:39 < dongs> but they're clearly being dicks
2015-10-08T06:17:04 < Roklobsta> yeah, try comparing electricity reseller's tariff tables here....
2015-10-08T06:17:07 < zyp> oh, that's also the point of marketing
2015-10-08T06:17:49 < dongs> $250 for compact brushless dewalt
2015-10-08T06:18:00 < dongs> i suppose i could get that and trash all my other shitdrills
2015-10-08T06:18:04 < dongs> psh, i dont need it
2015-10-08T06:18:41 < Roklobsta> surely where you are you can get a pretty nice drill.
2015-10-08T06:19:22 < Roklobsta> maybe even a Hello Kitty hammer drill.
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2015-10-08T06:19:30 < dongs> yaman
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2015-10-08T06:20:14 < dongs> laser razor got 3.7mil
2015-10-08T06:20:16 < dongs> nice scam
2015-10-08T06:20:20 < dongs> 11 days to go
2015-10-08T06:20:21 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-08T06:20:24 < dongs> did they extend the thing?
2015-10-08T06:20:31 < dongs> it was like ~4 days to go 4 days ago
2015-10-08T06:21:38 < Roklobsta> is that a kick starter? wow, looks like something off The Onion.
2015-10-08T06:21:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seeed/rephone-kit-worlds-first-open-source-and-modular-p?ref=category
2015-10-08T06:21:50 < dongs> lol
2015-10-08T06:22:45 < Roklobsta> $195000 pledge for the phone? That'll go in compliance testing along.
2015-10-08T06:23:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/700989404/looncup-the-worlds-first-smart-menstrual-cup?ref=category wat
2015-10-08T06:23:53 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-PS22-02-12-volt-Brushless-Batteries/dp/B00HUCUF7E/
2015-10-08T06:23:54 < ReadError> mmm
2015-10-08T06:23:58 < ReadError> do want
2015-10-08T06:24:26 < alcaveman> i have my stm32F446RET6 runing for a few days blinking LEDs in a loop with no delay/sleep in it. is this bad for the health of the uC? any idea how much would it shorten its life?
2015-10-08T06:24:43 < Roklobsta> PTCRB is a rort.
2015-10-08T06:25:10 < Roklobsta> well i should say complance testing is a rort
2015-10-08T06:25:22 < Roklobsta> if noone follows up - a la volkswagen.
2015-10-08T06:25:46 < dongs> ReadError: that looks kinda ugly whats with that fat body suddnely turning into a tiny chuck
2015-10-08T06:26:09 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-PS10-2A-12-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Driver/dp/B000PI48AK/
2015-10-08T06:26:12 < ReadError> that one is nice too
2015-10-08T06:26:23 < Roklobsta> alcaveman: ST guarantee their chips for 10^15 clock cycles so better find a way to cut back on clock use.
2015-10-08T06:26:44 < zyp> haha
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2015-10-08T06:29:08 < Roklobsta> Nice, looncup at the bottom has a gutted purse with looncup and mini vibrator spilling out.
2015-10-08T06:29:27 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2043884412/wifi-smart-switch-with-esp8266-for-iot?ref=category
2015-10-08T06:29:36 < upgrdman> :) https://i.imgur.com/7tjKAOJ.jpg
2015-10-08T06:30:08 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: that wins something.
2015-10-08T06:30:32 < alcaveman> Roklobsta: 10^15/180000000 = 5555555.55555556 seconds is the lifespan? assuming my clock is 180MHz
2015-10-08T06:31:09 < alcaveman> Roklobsta: that's just... 9.18577307466196 weeks.
2015-10-08T06:31:20 < alcaveman> 2.3 months
2015-10-08T06:31:22 < dongs> someone is serious
2015-10-08T06:31:24 < Roklobsta> yeah, get it to sleep mode stat.
2015-10-08T06:31:34 < alcaveman> are you serious or am i being trolled?
2015-10-08T06:31:49 < Roklobsta> You can't wear out a cpu.
2015-10-08T06:31:52 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/498552638/i-am-muslim-an-app-to-guide-your-daily-life-as-a-m?ref=category attn R2COM
2015-10-08T06:31:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, :)
2015-10-08T06:31:59 < alcaveman> Roklobsta: so all that was a joke?
2015-10-08T06:32:11 < Roklobsta> yes.  the question was a bit absurd.
2015-10-08T06:32:44 < zyp> Roklobsta, ever heard of electromigration?
2015-10-08T06:33:00 < Roklobsta> zyp: you pedant
2015-10-08T06:33:04 < zyp> ;)
2015-10-08T06:34:33 < Roklobsta> i heard it'll cost and arm and a leg.
2015-10-08T06:34:50 < zyp> alcaveman, the main reason for sleep mode is to save power, which is mostly a concern for battery powered devices
2015-10-08T06:35:31 < dongs> https://store.particle.io/?product=particle-photon hey look zano cloned wifi module
2015-10-08T06:35:41 < alcaveman> zyp: can it sleep while operating? like blink, sleep 1 sec, wake up, blink again, then sleep 1 sec... etc. perfectly as if awake except for not being fully awake. would this save power?
2015-10-08T06:35:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1203958506/vic-20-ieee-interface?ref=category i cant believe this got funded
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2015-10-08T06:35:59 < zyp> alcaveman, of course
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2015-10-08T06:36:22 < zyp> that's what cpus do when they are idle
2015-10-08T06:36:30 < alcaveman> zyp: would that save power? i wonder how much cost there is to merely go into sleep mode
2015-10-08T06:36:43 < Roklobsta> i thoought the vic20 was crap even in 1982.
2015-10-08T06:36:54 < zyp> if the cpu in your computer never did that, it would get really hot, because it'd be at 100% constantly
2015-10-08T06:37:09 < alcaveman> zyp: let's say that i sleep for x seconds. i think if x is less than some limits, then sleeping does not save power any more. i wonder what is the value of x
2015-10-08T06:37:10 < zyp> and all that heat is the result of all the power it consumes
2015-10-08T06:37:48 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deko/deko?ref=category the next nest
2015-10-08T06:38:22 < zyp> alcaveman, around the number of cycles consumed by a single interrupt entry/exit, I'd guess
2015-10-08T06:38:30 < dongs> haha
2015-10-08T06:38:32 < dongs> thats some pro eagle
2015-10-08T06:38:42 < dongs> which dickstarter was that from lolz
2015-10-08T06:39:05 < zyp> alcaveman, there's multiple sleep modes too, some deeper than others
2015-10-08T06:39:22 < dongs> R2COM: which dickstarter is that froim lozlzzzz
2015-10-08T06:40:07 < dongs> attn zyp http://i.imgur.com/jT9f8d2.png
2015-10-08T06:40:42 < zyp> dongs, haha
2015-10-08T06:40:45 < dongs> oh the next nest? loll
2015-10-08T06:41:22 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/417/604/0feaccc1267911b646fc8088d393e4ef_original.jpg?v=1441088561&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=8d2b609384287583971c9bc23dca0038
2015-10-08T06:41:26 < dongs> they actually fabbed that
2015-10-08T06:41:28 < dongs> holy shit
2015-10-08T06:41:30 < dongs> there's not a single bypass capacitor on that thing
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2015-10-08T06:44:26 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wiggly/easy-drone-xl-pro-longest-flying-quadcopter-on-the?ref=category motherfucker thats where those 6S/20Ah batteries went to!
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2015-10-08T06:47:38 < upgrdman> lol. got enough usb ports?  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q8KCM3E/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-5&pf_rd_r=1DE0PW4Y9GK9956DG8DJ&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2090149182&pf_rd_i=desktop
2015-10-08T06:48:16 < Roklobsta> dongs: that sort of crap is used in ipad trolleys at schools
2015-10-08T06:48:33 < Roklobsta> 40 USB ports off one master isn't unusual
2015-10-08T06:49:33 < dongs> no indiviudual power button per port?
2015-10-08T06:49:35 < dongs> fuck off
2015-10-08T06:49:39 < Roklobsta> nup
2015-10-08T06:50:33 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/67935456/arduino-graphic-solution-shield?ref=category
2015-10-08T06:51:12 < Roklobsta> Kickstarter: Because the worlds dumps aren't full enough of shit.
2015-10-08T06:51:40 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/269655091/phone-fob?ref=category ....
2015-10-08T06:55:59 < dongs> i just leave that shit in the car
2015-10-08T06:56:04 < dongs> but i mean that one is extra dumb
2015-10-08T06:56:31 < dongs> like, lets take a part a fucking waterproof/dustproof keyfob and stick it on the back of your phone! what could go wrong!
2015-10-08T06:56:33 < upgrdman> whats the name for tubing that you put over wire assemblies? its like heat shrink, but you dont shrink it. it offers protection and is more flexible that heatshrink.
2015-10-08T06:56:48 < dongs> upgrdman: not mesh stuff right?
2015-10-08T06:56:55 < upgrdman> no
2015-10-08T06:57:06 < upgrdman> and not spiral cut either
2015-10-08T06:57:15 < upgrdman> just a tube
2015-10-08T06:57:45 < Roklobsta> not ribbed?
2015-10-08T06:57:52  * upgrdman nods
2015-10-08T06:58:37 < Roklobsta> i can only think of the ribbed tube you split up the middle to stuff your cables into and then cable tie it together
2015-10-08T06:59:07 < Roklobsta> maybe it's a flexible PVC material.
2015-10-08T06:59:12 < upgrdman> lemme find a pic
2015-10-08T06:59:43 < upgrdman> like the tube on this trash:  http://cdn.rcmart.com/images/yrac_bm-0018_001.jpg
2015-10-08T06:59:44 < Roklobsta> no goatse.cx tube pics please.
2015-10-08T06:59:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pedallock/pedal-lock-built-in-bicycle-security?ref=category heh
2015-10-08T07:00:12 < Roklobsta> i see, it's probably pvc
2015-10-08T07:00:21 < Roklobsta> dunon where you'd get it.
2015-10-08T07:00:57 < Roklobsta> that might be a kind of heatshrink.  you don't want the tube to slide much up and down the wires.
2015-10-08T07:01:07 < upgrdman> or is teflon heatshrink super flexible?
2015-10-08T07:01:24 < Roklobsta> i'm out
2015-10-08T07:01:28 < upgrdman> i just want a super flexible thinggy to hold a collection of wires
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2015-10-08T07:13:09 < dongs> http://aws.amazon.com/importexport/ haha
2015-10-08T07:17:55 < ReadError> You can transfer any amount of data with Snowball, from a few Terabytes to many petabytes. You can typically transfer 50TB of data to each Snowball appliance. Transferring data sets larger than 50TB can be accomplished by using multiple Snowballs either in parallel, or one after another. For example, you could transfer 100TB of data using two 50TB Snowballs in parallel, or you could transfer
2015-10-08T07:17:55 < ReadError> the data using two 50TB Snowballs one after another.
2015-10-08T07:17:56 < ReadError> damn
2015-10-08T07:18:30 < dongs> you could host your entire cp collection @ amazon for <$500
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2015-10-08T07:41:48 < jadew> when I read that I thought about a different kind of snowball... and about genetic data
2015-10-08T07:46:44 < dongs> don't make me disassemble your keyfob
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2015-10-08T07:46:56 < upgrdman> the snowball machine has an *e ink* shipping label. that's kinda neat.
2015-10-08T07:47:04 < dongs> ys
2015-10-08T07:47:06 < dongs> i saw that
2015-10-08T07:47:10 < dongs> i wonder if theres pics of that shit
2015-10-08T07:47:14 < dongs> that is awesome on several levels
2015-10-08T07:47:34 < upgrdman> + haxx0r it to show dickbutt for bonus points
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2015-10-08T07:55:24 < Roklobsta> wonder how big it is
2015-10-08T07:55:49 < Roklobsta> 50TB of drives in shock proof enclosure plus mobo.
2015-10-08T07:58:47 < jpa-> probably more than 50TB
2015-10-08T08:04:44 < upgrdman> wonder if they went with SSD for durability? super 'spensive
2015-10-08T08:05:03 < upgrdman> NAND all the things
2015-10-08T08:05:40 < Roklobsta> lotsa cheap nand with losta error correction
2015-10-08T08:06:28 < dongs> biggest nandthing is 256gb on chip
2015-10-08T08:06:59 < dongs> like 200 of them for 50tb
2015-10-08T08:07:04 < dongs> yeah that would be tiny
2015-10-08T08:07:07 < dongs> but spensive as fuck
2015-10-08T08:09:41 < dongs> hm wat
2015-10-08T08:10:09 < dongs> http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-portable-ssd-t1-review-1tb-price-speed-capacity-security/2/
2015-10-08T08:10:18 < dongs> samsung T1 is up to 1TB, with 4 nand chips for 1tb
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2015-10-08T08:10:27 < dongs> but this other article from aug 2015 says they just now reached 32GiB/chip
2015-10-08T08:10:29 < dongs> wut
2015-10-08T08:10:37 < dongs> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2969693/storage/samsung-goes-big-on-storage-with-256gb-v-nand-chips.html
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2015-10-08T08:13:08 < dongs> http://www.dramexchange.com/
2015-10-08T08:13:48 < dongs> so eh
2015-10-08T08:14:01 < dongs> 64gbit ';high' price is $2.90
2015-10-08T08:14:09 < dongs> needs ~6.5k of them for 50tb
2015-10-08T08:14:29 < dongs> so $18k for a 50tb flash array
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2015-10-08T08:31:32 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyrobots/comments/3nwlqd/selffucking_robot/
2015-10-08T08:32:43 < dongs> god damn i FUCKING HATE DATASHEETS THAT GIVE PAD DIMENSIONS BASED ON EDGE INSTEAD OF CENTER
2015-10-08T08:33:24 < dongs> 0.75 x 0.55mm pad, left edge 1.2mm offset from CENTER of another pad
2015-10-08T08:34:16 < ReadError> ya fuckin hate busting out calc.exe and thinking
2015-10-08T08:35:22 < jpa-> or just using the relative measurements in the cad tool
2015-10-08T08:35:33 < jpa-> like pressing spacebar in kicad
2015-10-08T08:35:45 < dongs> how the fuck does that help if I want to place the pad precisely?
2015-10-08T08:35:56 < dongs> also lol @ bringing up kikecad like altium doesnt have relateive measurements
2015-10-08T08:36:20 < ReadError> dongs did you request the /2 feature to altium?
2015-10-08T08:42:11 < dongs> lol 124 views on my zano fakevid
2015-10-08T08:42:32 < dongs>   
2015-10-08T08:42:32 < dongs> Rene Reiter   13 hours ago
2015-10-08T08:42:32 < dongs> It it only possible do record at 4:3? Or is 16:9 also possible.
2015-10-08T08:42:33 < dongs> haha
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2015-10-08T08:43:58 < dongs> wtf i cant reply this shit
2015-10-08T08:44:19 < dongs> how the fuck do i reply a comment on jewtub
2015-10-08T08:44:37 < ReadError> isnt it something about google+
2015-10-08T08:44:45 < dongs> i thought i did that
2015-10-08T08:44:47 < ReadError> theres a way people can prevent you from replying
2015-10-08T08:44:54 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRgDZ5jkJI cantreply here
2015-10-08T08:44:56 < ReadError> on their boogle+
2015-10-08T08:46:45 < dongs> whatever
2015-10-08T08:46:50 < dongs> just posted my own comment instead of reply
2015-10-08T08:46:52 < ReadError> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/AUasy_bdH-c
2015-10-08T08:46:54 < ReadError> this
2015-10-08T08:47:10 < dongs> huh i see
2015-10-08T08:47:13 < dongs> but they got rid of that
2015-10-08T08:47:22 < dongs> like 2 months ago they decoupled gay+ from youtube commenting
2015-10-08T08:47:25 < dongs> cuz you can no longer do @faggot
2015-10-08T08:47:30 < dongs> to direct reply to the person
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2015-10-08T09:01:49 < ReadError> hmm another feature altium needs, when placing a pad by coordinates, option to select by pad edge
2015-10-08T09:02:02 < ReadError> so you dont need to take width/2 + distance/2
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2015-10-08T09:45:04 < dongs> jadew`: are you dickstarting anything cool soon
2015-10-08T09:45:28 < jadew`> don't think so
2015-10-08T09:45:47 < jadew`> busy with my real job
2015-10-08T09:46:26 < jadew`> you?
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2015-10-08T09:56:32 < dongs> psh
2015-10-08T09:56:37 < dongs> assburgering all day long :(
2015-10-08T09:56:57 < dongs> like million things in innovation queue
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2015-10-08T10:46:13 < GargantuaSauce> i need the rest of Programming while Crossdressing
2015-10-08T10:46:18 < GargantuaSauce> help me obi-dongs, you're my only hope
2015-10-08T10:49:33 < Roklobsta> how long will the zano HPC service be around for?... 1 year tops
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2015-10-08T11:25:45 < Roklobsta> fuck me, how is a HPC gonna improvethat pinhole camera quality video?
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2015-10-08T11:34:47 < dongs> Roklobsta: who cares, by the time they bought xeons half a year ago they were already obsolete lol
2015-10-08T11:36:49 < dongs> 9:36 AM BST
2015-10-08T11:37:58 < jpa-> Roklobsta: what limits a pinhole camera quality in good light?
2015-10-08T11:38:13 < dongs> trash sensor?
2015-10-08T11:38:14 < ReadError> lol atlium just freaked out and started running some DRC stuff infinity times
2015-10-08T11:38:33 < jpa-> dongs: didn't seem too bad in your video
2015-10-08T11:39:22 < PeterM> jpa-, diffraction
2015-10-08T11:40:39 < dongs> jpa-: its certainly not bad for $28 rtf quadcopter
2015-10-08T11:41:07 < dongs> i wonder what the actual cost of elctronics is
2015-10-08T11:42:41 < PeterM> it cant be high
2015-10-08T11:43:08 < PeterM> maybe $6 for whats in the quad and $2-4 for the remote
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2015-10-08T11:43:34 < dongs> i think remove is some COB t hing
2015-10-08T11:43:38 < dongs> epoxy blob
2015-10-08T11:43:41 < dongs> remove=remote
2015-10-08T11:43:42 < dongs> HEH
2015-10-08T11:44:12 < dongs> no more htan $10 for sure
2015-10-08T11:44:18 < PeterM> indeed
2015-10-08T11:44:21 < dongs> and its beating $400 zano in quality!
2015-10-08T11:44:46 < PeterM> i think motors would be a large cost, maybe $2-4 for 4
2015-10-08T11:45:06 < PeterM> not because they are anygood, but becausew coppper
2015-10-08T11:45:52 < PeterM> actually, probably less
2015-10-08T11:45:58 < dongs> 100% of my viewers are males
2015-10-08T11:46:02 < PeterM> maybe $1
2015-10-08T11:46:16 < PeterM> dongs has viewers?
2015-10-08T11:46:23 < dongs> top countries: UK US JP DE Best Korea
2015-10-08T11:46:26 < dongs> PeterM: my zano fakevid
2015-10-08T11:46:31 < PeterM> ahh
2015-10-08T11:46:39 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRgDZ5jkJI
2015-10-08T11:46:56 < PeterM> what are the demographics of timecop1080?
2015-10-08T11:47:11 < dongs> lessee
2015-10-08T11:47:35 < dongs> 95% male 5% female
2015-10-08T11:47:43 < dongs> JP US DE UK Best Korea
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2015-10-08T11:49:02 < PeterM> 5% female, must be looking at InterBEE footage or something
2015-10-08T11:49:02 < dongs> thats last month statistics
2015-10-08T11:49:11 < dongs> 1 year is 97% M / 3.1% F
2015-10-08T11:49:41 < dongs> fcking nerds
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2015-10-08T13:05:53 < Laurenceb_> ISIS self pwn  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d42_1444071601
2015-10-08T13:20:45 < Sync> pro
2015-10-08T13:21:39 < Laurenceb_> check the number plate
2015-10-08T13:22:29 < Sync> ye
2015-10-08T13:22:51 < dongs> dumbai
2015-10-08T13:24:32 < Laurenceb_> to not be a hypocrite he should drive a sharia supercar
2015-10-08T13:24:48 < Laurenceb_> oh wait that doesnt exist
2015-10-08T13:24:49 < Laurenceb_> fail
2015-10-08T13:25:04 < dongs> haha what a fucking tool
2015-10-08T13:25:26 < Laurenceb_> hes driving an infidel car might have even been built by women
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2015-10-08T13:28:39 < Sync> being VW, it most certainly has
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2015-10-08T13:29:23 < dongs> oh just realised it says ISIS in l33tspeak
2015-10-08T13:31:52 < karlp> heh, deko kickstarter has links to their company website that are non-existant domains
2015-10-08T13:32:05 < dongs> that nest thing?
2015-10-08T13:32:06 < dongs> time to register
2015-10-08T13:32:23 < dongs> you mean openmicrosystems.org??
2015-10-08T13:33:27 < dongs> ah its registered just dnsfailures
2015-10-08T13:35:47 < Sync> Ten versions of a PCB can easily cost $1,000 to fabricate, and that excludes the often patent-encumbered semiconductors which are rarely reusable.
2015-10-08T13:35:50 < Sync> wat
2015-10-08T13:38:50 < qyx> is this zano-made?
2015-10-08T13:41:15 < karlp> Sync: yeah, and super expensive jtag programmers too ;)
2015-10-08T13:43:48 < Sync> and dem super expensive arduinos + rigol scopes
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2015-10-08T13:48:48 < Laurenceb_> wtf zano
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2015-10-08T13:52:27 < dongs> patent encumbered semiconductors lol
2015-10-08T13:52:29 < dongs> da fuq
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2015-10-08T13:53:14 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/417/610/b891f581285112da8c1eca2c34b97439_original.JPG?v=1441088612&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=7ac498e7d38c4689b363131996611e89 riglol connected to 1khz probe, tarduino in background
2015-10-08T13:53:18 < dongs> and that nasty fucking CC3300 breakout
2015-10-08T13:55:06 < Laurenceb_> is there anything simple I could use as a basic 2.4Ghz CW transmitter?
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2015-10-08T13:55:22 < dongs> just pwm something at 24.ghz
2015-10-08T13:55:29 < dongs> and use a piece of pcb as antenna
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2015-10-08T13:58:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlVOkGOAVi4 lol
2015-10-08T14:06:31 < artag> do you really want CW, or on-off-keying ? If you just want a signal source you can use something like http://shop.amsat.org.uk/epages/4f1cbdc6-c5c9-428d-9655-11c28b866df9.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/4f1cbdc6-c5c9-428d-9655-11c28b866df9/Categories/hard/5
2015-10-08T14:08:33 < Sync> wat dongs
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2015-10-08T14:31:27 < karlp> dongs that video's cool!
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2015-10-08T14:54:43 < qyx> dongs: lol
2015-10-08T14:55:56 < dongs> qyx / karlp hes using my stm32 flightboard shit for the controller
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2015-10-08T15:07:34 < zyp> haha
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2015-10-08T15:45:04 < Laurenceb_> started a new job today
2015-10-08T15:45:24 < Laurenceb_> got a bollocking for turning up for work
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2015-10-08T15:45:50 < Laurenceb_> then invited on dogging expedition
2015-10-08T15:48:42 < dongs> i think you mean donging expedition
2015-10-08T15:49:54 < Laurenceb_> apparently "more people in the office increases insurance" and "going dogging is nothing to be ashamed of"
2015-10-08T15:50:52 < Laurenceb_> and I thought IRC was weird
2015-10-08T15:51:25 < ReadError> dongs beboop
2015-10-08T15:51:41 < ReadError> is there a way to make a polygon change if you define it from the board outline
2015-10-08T15:51:47 < ReadError> then change the outline slightly
2015-10-08T15:51:53 < dongs> of course?
2015-10-08T15:51:58 < dongs> just drag the []'s
2015-10-08T15:52:02 < dongs> same as any other polygon
2015-10-08T15:52:11 < dongs> dragging one will split in half
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2015-10-08T15:52:40 < karlp> what is "going dogging" ?
2015-10-08T15:52:54 < Laurenceb_> google it (NSFW)
2015-10-08T15:53:14 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/J6cbp1H.png
2015-10-08T15:53:19 < ReadError> this style, automagic
2015-10-08T15:53:29 < ReadError> ive just been deleting and re-making rather than dragging shit
2015-10-08T15:53:43 < dongs> yeah?
2015-10-08T15:53:45 < dongs> whats the question
2015-10-08T15:53:58 < ReadError> can you 'resize to board outline'
2015-10-08T15:54:01 < ReadError> after its been created
2015-10-08T15:54:03 < karlp> so, what's the new job that you're both a) not meant to go to the office and b) meant to go dogging with colleagues?
2015-10-08T15:54:06 < dongs> no
2015-10-08T15:54:08 < dongs> you have to remake
2015-10-08T15:54:26 < ReadError> cack, alright so i was doing it right
2015-10-08T15:54:33 < ReadError> im fuckin typershark with my hotkeys now tho
2015-10-08T15:55:54 < Laurenceb_> karlp: medical sensors
2015-10-08T15:56:23 < Laurenceb_> having said that.. when I was at school I used to work at a hotel with 4 pron stars
2015-10-08T15:56:58 < Laurenceb_> both chefs and the two receptionists were part time pron stars :P
2015-10-08T15:57:27 < Laurenceb_> sometimes real life is even more fucked that IRC
2015-10-08T15:57:53 < karlp> irc is life. irc is love...
2015-10-08T15:59:54 < mtbg> good way of social integration I guess
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2015-10-08T16:06:53 < qyx> where was that online gerber viewer?
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2015-10-08T16:15:56 < karlp> did you even think about googling that?!
2015-10-08T16:16:29 < karlp> (you probably meant gerblook ?)
2015-10-08T16:18:10 < qyx> meh
2015-10-08T16:18:44 < dongs> gerbgook
2015-10-08T16:18:52 < qyx> yep, thanks
2015-10-08T16:20:07 < dongs> o shit
2015-10-08T16:20:09 < dongs> new flyzano app
2015-10-08T16:20:28 < dongs> With the first try, my ZANO drifted sideways into an obstacle and lost it's propellers.
2015-10-08T16:20:31 < dongs> Now after reattaching them, the ZANO won't fly lift at all.
2015-10-08T16:20:33 < dongs> it begins
2015-10-08T16:20:36 < dongs> haha
2015-10-08T16:25:13 < englishman> http://asset-7.soupcdn.com/asset/12321/3887_7c01.gif
2015-10-08T16:25:31 < dongs> A little concerned about obstacle avoidance at this stage! doesn't seem to kick in at all unless you slowly move your hand towards the drone whilst holding it.
2015-10-08T16:25:46 < dongs> UK outlets
2015-10-08T16:25:50 < dongs> something Laurenceb_ was involved with
2015-10-08T16:26:24 < mtbg> the ultimate machine
2015-10-08T16:27:00 < dongs> Can you following the trimming instructions? We noticed the test rig profiles are not always correct. We are working on making these 100% but in the mean time, put Zano on a flat level surface and following the trimming instructions. That should deal with your issue. Its not the battery, its the centre of gravity being calculated incorrectly based in the profile generated by the test rig.
2015-10-08T16:27:07 < dongs> haha
2015-10-08T16:27:09 < dongs> wat
2015-10-08T16:27:12 < dongs> the fuck
2015-10-08T16:27:14 < dongs> is this shit
2015-10-08T16:27:32 < dongs> Well my zano won't even take off. It either starts and flips straight over or just didn't give enough power to the motors to take off. It's already damaged a prop and the new one that's fitted is hitting the body. Sorry, but mine is going back. It's not just the software it's the build quality. Awful. I'll save some money and buy a competitor.
2015-10-08T16:27:37 < dongs> haahhaha
2015-10-08T16:27:40 < dongs> yess
2015-10-08T16:29:32 < mtbg> poor torquing
2015-10-08T16:30:17 < mtbg> but IIRC, accoring to kickstarter terms and conditions, they only have to refund backers from what was left after the development costs
2015-10-08T16:30:30 < dongs> since they aren't shipping to any bakers
2015-10-08T16:30:31 < mtbg> proportionally to their backing amount
2015-10-08T16:30:37 < dongs> the rumor is they raan out of money
2015-10-08T16:30:41 < dongs> and just shipping to preorders.
2015-10-08T16:30:55 < dongs> those 3 racks of 42U xeons must have cost a lot
2015-10-08T16:31:00 < dongs> to be obsolete before they were veen installed
2015-10-08T16:31:01 < dongs> lulz
2015-10-08T16:31:28 < mtbg> for the HPC?
2015-10-08T16:31:31 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-08T16:37:00 < Laurenceb_> ooh
2015-10-08T16:37:42 < Laurenceb_> nice linear bearings
2015-10-08T16:43:08 < dongs> Youngshin Lee 1 day ago
2015-10-08T16:43:09 < dongs> When I get my zano? This is Korea!
2015-10-08T16:43:24 < dongs> speaking of korea i ate dog last weekend
2015-10-08T16:43:33 < dongs> was ok
2015-10-08T16:44:00 < BrainDamage> wouldn't he be dead for you to eat it? i suspect it wouldn't be ok with that
2015-10-08T16:44:22 < dongs> well yeah
2015-10-08T16:44:46 < dongs> hmm
2015-10-08T16:44:49 < dongs> libzsano not updated
2015-10-08T16:44:52 < BrainDamage> jokes aside, how was the texture? i suspect a bit on the stringy side
2015-10-08T16:44:58 < dongs> ah updated
2015-10-08T16:45:01 < dongs> just same size
2015-10-08T16:45:26 < qyx> pro encrypted and padded?
2015-10-08T16:45:33 < dongs> BrainDamage: not sure, it tasted ok, i'm no pro @ food so i couldnt really tell the difference
2015-10-08T16:45:42 < dongs> qyx: na the .so is full of symbols and nice
2015-10-08T16:47:15 < dongs> it caches firmware on the phone tho
2015-10-08T16:47:20 < dongs> firmware actually became smaller
2015-10-08T16:47:21 < dongs> by 4k
2015-10-08T16:47:29 < dongs> maybe he removed some more GPS stuff
2015-10-08T16:48:38 < dongs> @Gismo, i can't wait to see raw videos taken by the Zano's onboard camera ;) .. .. no need to show us a video of a flying Zano unless it demonstrate how the obstacle avoidance will be :)
2015-10-08T16:48:42 < dongs> HEH
2015-10-08T16:52:32 < dongs> haha
2015-10-08T16:52:38 < dongs> some guy on forum is expecting zano take pics like this https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/11224430_1194290600584954_2080115169994277909_n.jpg?oh=1d1ad921da6142c2f314fa7711c7c1b4&oe=569549AD
2015-10-08T16:53:28 < dongs> you just joined, why would you care? :)
2015-10-08T16:53:40 < dongs> samae.
2015-10-08T16:53:57 < dongs> about to go to sleep tho. and no, just a random forum of retards, not stm32 related.
2015-10-08T16:54:32 < dongs> GD32 clones are better
2015-10-08T16:55:18 < dongs> chinaclones of STM32
2015-10-08T16:55:19 < mtbg> has ST sued gigadevice yet?
2015-10-08T16:55:26 < dongs> smaller process, better ESD protection
2015-10-08T16:55:30 < dongs> faster mhz, more flash
2015-10-08T16:55:37 < mtbg> or still too unpopular to matter for them
2015-10-08T16:55:47 < dongs> mtbg: i havent figured out the full story wiht them yet. they're official arm licensor and shit.
2015-10-08T16:55:54 < dongs> and they're using newer cortex-m core build.
2015-10-08T16:57:06 < englishman> if GD32 doesnt push timecube it will be better than STM32 by default
2015-10-08T16:57:09 < mtbg> but they used ST documentation to implement competitive device
2015-10-08T16:57:33 < dongs> englishman: iut doesnt, they have their own stdperiphlib which is kinda copypaste but wiht some improvements!
2015-10-08T16:57:53 < englishman> win
2015-10-08T16:58:02 < Laurenceb_> well meanwhile ST broke ESD on newer F1
2015-10-08T16:58:03 < mtbg> aren't there any restrictions in the documentation so that it is only legal to use in accordance with ST parts?
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2015-10-08T16:58:22 < dongs> mtbg, i doubt they went and implemented it based on docoumentation
2015-10-08T16:58:22 < englishman> Laurenceb_: which f1 again
2015-10-08T16:58:36 < Laurenceb_> F103CBT6 revision X
2015-10-08T16:58:38 < dongs> there was probably some verilog theft involved
2015-10-08T16:58:42 < dongs> Laurenceb_: wat
2015-10-08T16:58:58 < englishman> o yeah
2015-10-08T16:59:00 < englishman> x is newest
2015-10-08T16:59:00 < dongs> thats like majority of the shit i have
2015-10-08T16:59:03 < Laurenceb_> dongs: new revision X F1 gets fried on all my boards
2015-10-08T16:59:11 < Laurenceb_> earlier ones are fine
2015-10-08T16:59:14 < dongs> proo
2015-10-08T16:59:15 < englishman> you seem to have the shittiest hacks
2015-10-08T16:59:27 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-08T16:59:37 < emeryth> it's a conspiracy to force you off cheap ass chips
2015-10-08T16:59:39 < dongs> my 103cbs are 2015/week31
2015-10-08T16:59:45 < dongs> for manufacture
2015-10-08T17:00:17 < Laurenceb_> I have 2014/week33
2015-10-08T17:00:22 < dongs> ancient
2015-10-08T17:00:24 < englishman> lol
2015-10-08T17:00:33 < englishman> RS pushing their old shit
2015-10-08T17:00:40 < dongs> yas
2015-10-08T17:00:49 < Laurenceb_> well previously I had reels from 2010
2015-10-08T17:00:59 < Laurenceb_> ran out recently
2015-10-08T17:01:15 < dongs> also my shit is from malayshit, i got a PCN that st was expanding a factory in philipines to 'deal with demand'
2015-10-08T17:01:24 < dongs> whas  yours from?
2015-10-08T17:01:27 < Laurenceb_> same
2015-10-08T17:01:30 < dongs> CHN?PHL?MYS?
2015-10-08T17:01:31 < dongs> kk
2015-10-08T17:01:39 < Laurenceb_> MYS
2015-10-08T17:02:33 < Laurenceb_> shrug I dont care, I dont work for the company any more so I can do contract work modding all the recalled boards
2015-10-08T17:02:41 < dongs> more like
2015-10-08T17:02:43 < Laurenceb_>  £60/hour woot
2015-10-08T17:02:44 < dongs> you made shit in the first place
2015-10-08T17:02:52 < Laurenceb_> lol prob
2015-10-08T17:03:10 < englishman> hm cool gigadevice has more qfn packages
2015-10-08T17:03:15 < Laurenceb_> theres thousands out in the field with no issue with the rev 1 ICs
2015-10-08T17:04:30 < Laurenceb_> something must have changed quite a lot fab process wise
2015-10-08T17:04:44 < dongs> gigadongs even stole ST's product selecter spreadshit thing
2015-10-08T17:04:46 < dongs> off st.com
2015-10-08T17:05:28 < englishman> i cant download datasheet
2015-10-08T17:05:35 < englishman> it just gives error mesage in squiggly lines
2015-10-08T17:05:40 < dongs> need to register with QQ or someshit
2015-10-08T17:05:43 < dongs> at icbase shit
2015-10-08T17:05:50 < dongs> it was pretty straightforward with google translate
2015-10-08T17:05:58 < englishman> still not as bad as timecube
2015-10-08T17:07:13 < qyx> http://gerblook.org/pcb/zk4pDWHJvfFKRNFsdTkLHc#front
2015-10-08T17:07:40 < dongs> cool singlesided pcb bro
2015-10-08T17:07:47 < dongs> eagle?
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2015-10-08T17:08:08 < qyx> eagle.
2015-10-08T17:08:16 < dongs> you must have actually drawn all your components
2015-10-08T17:08:18 < dongs> instead of using sparkfuck lib
2015-10-08T17:08:32 < qyx> only the led and connector
2015-10-08T17:08:42 < englishman> no doges or dickbutts, very nonpro
2015-10-08T17:08:59 < qyx> and no stm32 :S
2015-10-08T17:09:11 < englishman> b&
2015-10-08T17:09:13 < qyx> originally i wanted to make it powerline controllable
2015-10-08T17:09:13 < englishman> offtopic
2015-10-08T17:09:22 < jpa-> how much power is that?
2015-10-08T17:09:26 < qyx> 10W
2015-10-08T17:09:27 < dongs> englishman: http://www.gigadevice.com/product-downloadmcu.html?locale=en_US
2015-10-08T17:09:30 < dongs> this shit downloads for me
2015-10-08T17:09:35 < englishman> qyx: is that for alu pcb fab
2015-10-08T17:09:39 < jpa-> is it aluminum backed or how will you cool that?
2015-10-08T17:09:40 < englishman> yea i registere thx
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2015-10-08T17:10:10 < qyx> jpa-: actually i hope that 0.8mm pcb and thermal conducting epoxy will do
2015-10-08T17:10:22 < qyx> otherwise i will just run it at lower power
2015-10-08T17:10:23 < englishman> its already single sided hence asking :)
2015-10-08T17:10:36 < englishman> wich led?
2015-10-08T17:10:36 < mtbg> documentation and code in rar
2015-10-08T17:10:37 < mtbg> pro
2015-10-08T17:10:37 < qyx> no, the led is in a cutout
2015-10-08T17:10:54 < qyx> but meh the gerblook or i did it wrong
2015-10-08T17:11:00 < englishman> oh those are the tabs
2015-10-08T17:11:09 < englishman> yes opensores stuff sometimes doesnt do internal board cutouts right
2015-10-08T17:11:23 < jpa-> ah cutout.. funny led
2015-10-08T17:11:25 < qyx> http://litbimg.rightinthebox.com/images/384x384/201207/ktxxpq1342600574396.jpg
2015-10-08T17:11:27 < qyx> it is for those
2015-10-08T17:11:32 < englishman> ah nice
2015-10-08T17:11:44 < jpa-> how can you install it through the hole?
2015-10-08T17:11:55 < englishman> fyi, i got some commercial 30w cob leds, their heatsink is like 6x6"
2015-10-08T17:11:57 < jpa-> ah the cutout is so big
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2015-10-08T17:12:04 < qyx> yes
2015-10-08T17:12:25 < jpa-> i put 5x1W leds in my bike light
2015-10-08T17:12:30 < jpa-> totally forgot about cooling
2015-10-08T17:12:36 < jpa-> works fine so far, so meh :P
2015-10-08T17:12:40 < qyx> heh
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2015-10-08T17:13:22 < gxti> if it says 1w then it should do that without help amirite
2015-10-08T17:13:39 < jpa-> yeah, and the leds were so tiny
2015-10-08T17:13:46 < jpa-> not like they'll put out much head
2015-10-08T17:13:47 < jpa-> *heat
2015-10-08T17:13:51 < englishman> hah 1rmb for a GD32
2015-10-08T17:14:01 < dongs> fake
2015-10-08T17:14:12 < dongs> clone of a clone!11
2015-10-08T17:14:32 < dongs> Guy Langevin 26 minutes ago
2015-10-08T17:14:32 < dongs> absolutely don't care about google play. I want to know about the iOS app. If there isn't going to be one, I don't want this.
2015-10-08T17:14:35 < dongs> Will someone please answer this!
2015-10-08T17:15:36 < qyx> jpa-: i also have 1000pcs of 5730 leds.. maybe i'll do another one with those
2015-10-08T17:15:41 < qyx> they are 0.5w each
2015-10-08T17:17:17 < dongs> Firstly sorry to hear of your experience, certainly not what we expected customers to experience. If you would give us the opportunity to rectify the situation for you, we will do our best to ensure you have a good experience and are happy with the product.
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2015-10-08T17:30:04 < mtbg> had ivan considered your sugestions and not aggressively defended "motivation" of his people, he would avoid many problems zano is going to face
2015-10-08T17:30:43 < mtbg> especially that they were given before the first zano prototype was working
2015-10-08T17:31:19 < dongs> they were beyond help when tehy bought a fucking pic32 batch programmer: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mPrWr8w4ukU/Vf0ng9lLTxI/AAAAAAAAIBs/ysxIATY8B7o/s800-Ic42/IMG_1354.jpg
2015-10-08T17:31:35 < dongs> because spending ~5-10k on that thing isntead of making a fucking flashing jig or something made so much sense
2015-10-08T17:31:37 < gxti> lol
2015-10-08T17:31:46 < dongs> fuckign retards x 100000000
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2015-10-08T17:32:58 < karlp> pretty niche use: http://www.xeltek.com.cn/en/SUPERPRO-SB02.html
2015-10-08T17:33:07 < mtbg> it unwinds one roll, flashes mcu and puts it on another?
2015-10-08T17:33:12 < dongs> mtbg: yes
2015-10-08T17:33:25 < dongs> you can also: buy those pre-flashed from microchip
2015-10-08T17:33:29 < karlp> supports my theory that zano was false flag or whatsit
2015-10-08T17:33:45 < karlp> they were never goign tow ork on zano, just used to to get the money fo whatever they're really working on
2015-10-08T17:34:03 < dongs> karlp: but theyre not working on anything
2015-10-08T17:34:07 < dongs> they just create stupid.
2015-10-08T17:34:13 < gxti> it says 'super pro', what more do you want
2015-10-08T17:34:24 < dongs> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--igpXzY-Na4/Vf0nhhS6pUI/AAAAAAAAIA4/xfOqiqKDkD0/s800-Ic42/IMG_1363.jpg
2015-10-08T17:34:27 < dongs> xeon racks
2015-10-08T17:35:14 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-08T17:36:10 < mtbg> that is about the last thing they should buy
2015-10-08T17:36:28 < gxti> dusty racks
2015-10-08T17:37:29 < mtbg> but I don't know
2015-10-08T17:37:41 < mtbg> I've never handled a project of such complexity
2015-10-08T17:37:48 < dongs> errr
2015-10-08T17:38:03 < dongs> mtbg: the problem is the foundation of hte project is flawed
2015-10-08T17:38:10 < dongs> wrong hardware for hte job, full stop
2015-10-08T17:38:52 < dongs> completely incompetent pcb design/interconnects/using shitty modules for stuff/etc
2015-10-08T17:39:37 < dongs> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wfXbgpobGTI/Vf0nhOzCo4I/AAAAAAAAIBo/nfxh2ERg9AM/s800-Ic42/IMG_1357.jpg can someone enhance ANY of these labels, to match this? http://account.flyzano.com/images/serial.jpg
2015-10-08T17:42:12 < dongs> Registration - Complete
2015-10-08T17:42:12 < dongs> Thank you for registering your ZANO.
2015-10-08T17:42:12 < dongs> Please close this window and log into the APP.
2015-10-08T17:42:14 < dongs> bwhahahah
2015-10-08T17:42:21 < dongs> i registered using the fucking picture in serial.jpg
2015-10-08T17:45:49 < mtbg> do they have to register it before use?
2015-10-08T17:45:55 < dongs> yes
2015-10-08T17:45:59 < dongs> and this regustraiton was off
2015-10-08T17:46:01 < dongs> for liek 1.5 weeks
2015-10-08T17:46:04 < dongs> as they tried to stall
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2015-10-08T17:46:25 < dongs> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zJsDmj6g1Q8/Vf0ngxADgdI/AAAAAAAAIB8/IddaQfOrPnA/s800-Ic42/IMG_1353.jpg
2015-10-08T17:46:28 < dongs> more unnecessary shit
2015-10-08T17:49:51 < Sync> wat it do
2015-10-08T17:49:57 < dongs> nobody knows
2015-10-08T17:50:06 < dongs> theres nothing it should be doing that requires that thing
2015-10-08T17:51:07 < Sync> maybe gyro cal (lul)
2015-10-08T17:51:14 < gxti> probably
2015-10-08T17:51:32 < dongs> for what? in only Z-axis?
2015-10-08T17:51:37 < dongs> doesnt make sense.
2015-10-08T17:51:46 < gxti> just like anything else they do
2015-10-08T17:53:26 < Sync> depending on how low friction that is they could be calibrating antitorque of the rotors
2015-10-08T17:53:32 < Sync> but lul that's what the gyro is for
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2015-10-08T17:56:08 < dongs> there's no calibration they would be d oing that requires such a rate table
2015-10-08T17:56:20 < dongs> they could do bias stuff with it sitting still
2015-10-08T17:56:24 < dongs> and its only needed for yaw axis anyway
2015-10-08T17:56:36 < dongs> they're not doing temperature compensation or anything else fancy
2015-10-08T17:57:21 < Sync> no, I mean they spin the rotors up
2015-10-08T17:57:23 < Sync> and see where it turns
2015-10-08T17:57:29 < dongs> fuck off
2015-10-08T17:57:34 < Sync> :D
2015-10-08T18:00:19 < Sync> ah dongs can you reccomend a gyro that is not complete shit bias/drift wise?
2015-10-08T18:00:44 < dongs> eh they're all pretty much same shit these days.
2015-10-08T18:00:55 < dongs> CRM stuff is good but its $50/piece
2015-10-08T18:00:59 < dongs> and one axis only
2015-10-08T18:01:29 < dongs> http://www.siliconsensing.com/products/gyroscopes/
2015-10-08T18:01:40 < dongs> made in japscat
2015-10-08T18:02:04 < Sync> well, I have three laser gyros to compare them to
2015-10-08T18:02:39 < dongs> http://www.siliconsensing.com/products/gyroscopes/crh02/ you can paypal these
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2015-10-08T18:02:57 < Sync> oh noice
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2015-10-08T18:03:55 < Sync> +-3°/s teh fuck for the cheap ones
2015-10-08T18:04:50 < dongs> Sounds like either an under powered motor or an ESC problem. The test rig may not have detected it due to it working but not at full power.
2015-10-08T18:04:53 < dongs> Either way, very sorry for this and if you are happy to send it back, I will get a replacement unit out to you. We can then look into why this unit passed the rig but has a problem.
2015-10-08T18:05:04 < dongs> non-working motors, nice
2015-10-08T18:05:14 < dongs> Sync: i only used hte ones @ top of the list
2015-10-08T18:05:15 < dongs> pinpoint thing.
2015-10-08T18:05:21 < gxti> so does it actually fly at all yet
2015-10-08T18:05:23 < dongs> anything below that is out of my paypal price range
2015-10-08T18:05:37 < Sync> wat
2015-10-08T18:06:30 < Sync> ah well, they don't seem to be that bad
2015-10-08T18:06:37 < dongs> http://www.siliconsensing.com/products/gyroscopes/crs09/
2015-10-08T18:06:40 < dongs> $900
2015-10-08T18:06:46 < dongs> i guess crh02 is 2x that at least
2015-10-08T18:07:40 < Sync> KEK
2015-10-08T18:07:54 < Sync> someone sells CRS03-02 for 9.95 on ebay
2015-10-08T18:08:00 < dongs> yarite
2015-10-08T18:08:09 < Sync> *orders*
2015-10-08T18:08:13 < dongs> link?
2015-10-08T18:08:16 < dongs> i dont even see it
2015-10-08T18:08:22 < dongs> CRS03-02  0 listings  Follow this search
2015-10-08T18:09:18 < Sync> http://www.ebay.de/itm/191710461929
2015-10-08T18:09:46 < dongs> BEENDET
2015-10-08T18:09:46 < dongs> nice
2015-10-08T18:09:56 < Sync> ye bought them asap
2015-10-08T18:09:56 < Sync> :D
2015-10-08T18:10:38 < dongs> you're gonna have the best self-balancing robot in the world
2015-10-08T18:10:51 < Sync> probably
2015-10-08T18:11:36 < dongs> fuck lol you got a deal
2015-10-08T18:11:38 < dongs> they're $300 @ site
2015-10-08T18:11:41 < Sync> yep
2015-10-08T18:12:14 < Sync> fizoptika uses them in pro aircraft gyro systems
2015-10-08T18:12:19 < Sync> can't be too shitty
2015-10-08T18:12:38 < dongs> i think ive seen that page before
2015-10-08T18:12:59 < Sync> russian gyro makers
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2015-10-08T18:13:54 < dongs> invensense stuff has pretty bad hysteresis for temperature bias
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2015-10-08T18:15:12 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/download/file.php?id=223
2015-10-08T18:15:15 < dongs> zano camera shot
2015-10-08T18:15:22 < Sync> maybe I can drive my gopro gimbal with gyro only them :P
2015-10-08T18:15:34 < dongs> hm yeah, yhou only need x/y
2015-10-08T18:17:28 < Sync> oh haha, seems like I got a good deal indeed
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2015-10-08T18:18:14 < Sync> the only two other silicon sensing gyros on ebay are from chian and pakistan
2015-10-08T18:18:19 < Sync> for like $160
2015-10-08T18:20:58 < Sync> now lets see if I can find some non shit accels too
2015-10-08T18:21:25 < dongs> bedtime
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2015-10-08T18:36:56 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ijser.org/researchpaper%5CSky-Brightness-for-Determination-of-Fajr-and-Isha-Prayer-by-Using-Sky-Quality-Meter.pdf
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2015-10-08T18:38:21 < mtbg> serious stuff
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2015-10-08T18:39:24 < mtbg> I've always wondered how religious scientist don't get cognitive disonances
2015-10-08T18:39:35 < mtbg> or, do they get and just ignore them?
2015-10-08T18:39:45 < mtbg> but then, they won't be good scientists
2015-10-08T18:40:26 < Laurenceb_> low drift, decent gyros
2015-10-08T18:40:32 < Laurenceb_> maxim or the newer ST ones
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2015-10-08T18:42:12 < Sync> just got those milspec ones, I'll see how they are
2015-10-08T18:43:58 < Laurenceb_> non drifty accels is a harder problem :-/
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2015-10-08T18:44:40 < Laurenceb_> dog olympics
2015-10-08T18:44:41 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/4BXKAHI.gifv
2015-10-08T18:47:22 < Sync> k Laurenceb_
2015-10-08T18:47:29 < Sync> what accels would you get?
2015-10-08T18:47:36 < Laurenceb_> dunno lol
2015-10-08T18:47:52 < Laurenceb_> havent looked for a while, the Bosch ones were about the best at one point
2015-10-08T18:48:06 < Laurenceb_> then IIRC freescale has some slightly better 14 bit ones
2015-10-08T18:48:34 < Laurenceb_> taulabs were working on a accel bias tracking EKF, but last time I checked they couldnt make it stable
2015-10-08T18:48:55 < Steffann> But you can, because wizard
2015-10-08T18:49:01 < Laurenceb_> in fact last time I tried running their mainline EKF code it was unstable with my hardware sometimes :-/
2015-10-08T18:49:08 < Sync> ah, control theory shits
2015-10-08T18:49:21 < Laurenceb_> NaN NaN
2015-10-08T18:49:23 < Laurenceb_> NaN
2015-10-08T18:49:25 < Laurenceb_> NaN
2015-10-08T18:49:33 < Laurenceb_> Inf
2015-10-08T18:49:42 < Sync> sounds good
2015-10-08T18:49:46 < Laurenceb_> that theory?
2015-10-08T18:49:54 < Sync> yep
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2015-10-08T18:51:41 < Sync> hmm
2015-10-08T18:51:50 < Sync> no china special bma280 breakouts
2015-10-08T18:52:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.freescale.com/products/sensors/accelerometers/3-axis-accelerometers/2g-4g-8g-low-g-14-bit-digital-accelerometer:MMA8451Q
2015-10-08T18:52:45 < Laurenceb_> that was the best at one point
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2015-10-08T18:56:09 < Sync> k
2015-10-08T18:56:16 < Sync> those have china special pcbs
2015-10-08T18:57:43 < Lux> Laurenceb_: iirc maxim is eol if you are talking about those max21100
2015-10-08T18:58:02 < Steffann> Laurenceb_: stop saying "at one point" many things were best at one point ;)
2015-10-08T18:58:12 < Laurenceb_> Lux: interesting
2015-10-08T18:59:33 < Laurenceb_> lol  https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface.html
2015-10-08T18:59:56 < Sync> hm, their website is completely rekt
2015-10-08T19:00:23 < Lux> Laurenceb_: http://www.mouser.at/ProductDetail/Maxim-Integrated/MAX21100+T/?qs=ooqgTKD20do3XP1JHMnqFg%3d%3d
2015-10-08T19:00:28 < Sync> also freescale has -+100g accels, might get a few of those too
2015-10-08T19:01:12 < Laurenceb_> Lux: they have a whole range of gyros tho
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2015-10-08T19:09:01 < Laurenceb_> something related I made ages ago  https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/tree/master/Hardware/Assembly
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2015-10-08T19:10:01 < Sync> ADXRS649, 20000°/s 0o
2015-10-08T19:10:33 < Laurenceb_> nice
2015-10-08T19:10:52 < Laurenceb_> wonder if theres one thats good enough for my Rockoon project...
2015-10-08T19:11:16 < Laurenceb_> 100000°/s  :P
2015-10-08T19:11:17 < Sync> it can do 50000°/s apparently
2015-10-08T19:11:24 < Laurenceb_> wow thats getting close
2015-10-08T19:14:39 < Sync> just put two in series and you are tehre
2015-10-08T19:14:46 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-08T19:15:00 < Laurenceb_> actually itd be useless as the rocket spins at ~240hz
2015-10-08T19:15:13 < Laurenceb_> so any time calibration errors and you dont know where its pointing
2015-10-08T19:15:17 < Laurenceb_> *tiny
2015-10-08T19:15:43 < Sync> yup
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2015-10-08T19:21:44 < Laurenceb_> think I posted this here before, anyways
2015-10-08T19:21:45 < Laurenceb_>  http://imgur.com/BB3kE3k.gifv
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2015-10-08T19:30:30 < Laurenceb_> putting an IMU on that would be challenging
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2015-10-08T20:20:51 < Ecco> Guys, I have a question for you
2015-10-08T20:21:00 < Ecco> I burned a PCB with my hot air gun
2015-10-08T20:21:05 < Ecco> I know, I fucked up
2015-10-08T20:21:22 < Ecco> and I know I made the air too hot and the flow too strong
2015-10-08T20:21:47 < Ecco> but I had soldered a QFN package, and it wasn't properly aligned
2015-10-08T20:22:06 < Ecco> so I decided to re-heat it so that it would "snap" thanks to the surface tension of the molten solder
2015-10-08T20:22:13 < Ecco> but for some reason the package wouldn't move at all
2015-10-08T20:22:30 < Ecco> I even tried pulling it with tweezers
2015-10-08T20:22:35 < Ecco> nothing, it was just stuck
2015-10-08T20:22:39 < Ecco> so I heated it more
2015-10-08T20:22:41 < Ecco> nothing
2015-10-08T20:22:46 < Ecco> I ended up burning the PCB
2015-10-08T20:23:04 < Ecco> well, at this point the chip did come off, but well, the epoxy was molten :-/
2015-10-08T20:23:07 < Ecco> What did I do wrong?
2015-10-08T20:23:21 < Ecco> (I mean, why wouldn't the chip move at more reasonable temperatures)
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2015-10-08T20:29:20 < zyp> because hot air soldering is bullshit, heat is not uniform, etc…
2015-10-08T20:29:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah there way have been some heat leak to the other side of the board
2015-10-08T20:29:59 < zyp> throw it in the oven instead
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2015-10-08T20:48:03 < jpa-> Ecco: you often have to preheat the pcb if you want to get anything done with hot air
2015-10-08T20:48:21 < jpa-> Ecco: otherwise the ground pins melt 10 minutes after everything else burns
2015-10-08T20:48:32 < Ecco> ooooh
2015-10-08T20:48:38 < Ecco> makes a lot of sense
2015-10-08T20:49:07 < jpa-> but like zyp said, soldering with hot air gun gets very annoying if your board is larger than, say, 3x3cm
2015-10-08T20:49:15 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-08T20:49:17 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-08T20:49:28 < Ecco> Plus my QFN package had this huge-ass pad below
2015-10-08T20:49:39 < Ecco> this one probably had a hard time melting
2015-10-08T20:49:42 < jpa-> connected to a huger-ass groundplane?
2015-10-08T20:50:12 < Ecco> hmm, well, should have but no, I forgot the via
2015-10-08T20:50:24 < Ecco> but indeed, I do have huge groud planes all around the board
2015-10-08T20:50:37 < Ecco> I'll probably invest in a reflow oven
2015-10-08T20:50:48 < Ecco> thanks for the explanations though
2015-10-08T20:50:50 < Steffanx> or get a 30$ toaster oven?
2015-10-08T20:50:57 < Steffanx> nah, maybe 50, but .. not much more
2015-10-08T20:57:45 < jpa-> toaster oven works yeah
2015-10-08T20:58:19 < jpa-> you may be able to manage with hot air if you have the patience to preheat it by blowing ~150 C air all over the board for 10 minutes or so
2015-10-08T20:59:14 < Tectu> that´s what you have a wife for, after all
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2015-10-08T20:59:39 < jpa-> Tectu: for blowing pcbs... no, you have understood it wrong
2015-10-08T20:59:58 < Tectu> hah :D
2015-10-08T21:12:06 < kakimir> I wonder how much mcus usually can take abuse
2015-10-08T21:13:26 < kakimir> I do measuments on my board that doesn't start raise analog supply and reference lines
2015-10-08T21:13:42 < kakimir> for minutes or dozens of minutes
2015-10-08T21:14:21 < kakimir> datasheet says those all must be about equal to main suplly
2015-10-08T21:15:03 < kakimir> so this mcu should be concidered done?
2015-10-08T21:17:40 < kakimir> maybe I debug with it first and then throw second - last one in
2015-10-08T21:21:58 < jpa-> on STM32, if you don't have analog supply it simply does not start
2015-10-08T21:22:19 < jpa-> so you have to have analog supply to use it, but AFAIK it does not break from not having it
2015-10-08T21:23:08 < kakimir> ok
2015-10-08T21:23:40 < kakimir> I wonder why it won't start then?
2015-10-08T21:24:03 < kakimir> is there protection circuits that actually cut main supply with analog supply
2015-10-08T21:24:11 < kakimir> *lack of
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2015-10-08T21:25:15 < kakimir> but something like powering it all up but no boot sounds like unnecessary detail
2015-10-08T21:26:09 < kakimir> if fail - absoute fail method?
2015-10-08T21:27:05 < kakimir> no gray areas
2015-10-08T21:27:22 < jpa-> maybe the analog supply powers some important part like PLL or oscillator
2015-10-08T21:28:53 < Tectu> not sure about STM32 but there are MCUs out there that break if you have stuff on your I/O without power supply
2015-10-08T21:29:09 < Tectu> but those are mostly special pins, eg. HV tolerant pins
2015-10-08T21:29:33 < kakimir> stuff - as source?
2015-10-08T21:29:37 < jpa-> stm32 has that also
2015-10-08T21:29:44 < jpa-> io pins are max vdd + 4 volts
2015-10-08T21:29:50 < jpa-> so 5v inputs while unpowered sucks
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2015-10-08T21:30:30 < kakimir> I though diodes would cause vdd to rise and boot the thing like nothing
2015-10-08T21:30:42 < kakimir> never tried
2015-10-08T21:31:17 < jpa-> 5v tolerant pins on STM32 don't have the typical diodes, otherwise they would always conduct to the 3.3V supply
2015-10-08T21:31:27 < jpa-> instead, they have funny diodes and do funny things
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2015-10-08T21:31:38 < kakimir> I don't have 5V pins of stm32
2015-10-08T21:31:50 < kakimir> I don't use 5V signals
2015-10-08T21:32:00 < jpa-> but the pins are 5v tolerant anyway
2015-10-08T21:32:05 < jpa-> so the diodes are designed for that
2015-10-08T21:32:39 < kakimir> why not just use diodes wit Vf = 1.8V ?
2015-10-08T21:33:14 < jpa-> seen any such diodes lately? ;)
2015-10-08T21:33:36 < kakimir> stack em
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2015-10-08T21:33:47 < jpa-> they leak many microamperes even at smaller Vf
2015-10-08T21:34:00 < kakimir> ye
2015-10-08T21:35:43 < jpa-> AFAIK they instead use diodes to an internal rail, which then has 5V zener to ground
2015-10-08T21:36:14 < kakimir> okay
2015-10-08T21:38:18 < kakimir> I see analog supply should be below or equal of VDD and analog positive reference above 2.4V
2015-10-08T21:40:12 < kakimir> and should not exceed analog supply
2015-10-08T21:42:36 < kakimir> if you want to power chip with 1.8V you should have 2.4V voltage for analog supply and reference to not break the rulez
2015-10-08T21:45:15 < kakimir> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/11821129/The-worlds-worst-traffic-jams-and-commutes.html dongs commutes
2015-10-08T21:46:30 < kakimir> anyone playing with nxp chips know how they deal with analog supplies?
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2015-10-08T22:36:07 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs
2015-10-08T22:36:09 < Laurenceb_> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vX4_AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA359&lpg=PA359#v=onepage&q&f=false
2015-10-08T22:39:51 < Steffanx> better screenshot, because not everyone can see tha tpage
2015-10-08T22:43:16 < Laurenceb_> b&
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2015-10-09T01:12:43 < upgrdman_> lol. been trying to track down why my firmware was detecting random checksum failures for packets received over uart. was using my nice usb-uart cable. switched to a super ghetto looking china ftdi clone, and now it works perfect.
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2015-10-09T04:05:48 < dongs> good job
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2015-10-09T04:28:50 < ReadError> morning clam jammers
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2015-10-09T04:40:01 < dongs> PeterM: should I get LG G3 for wifecop?
2015-10-09T04:40:06 < dongs> (currently on G2)
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2015-10-09T04:40:53 < ReadError> dongs http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacker-weev-releases-prosecutors-alleged-ashley-madison-data-after-threats?utm_source=mbtwitter
2015-10-09T04:41:26 < dongs> old
2015-10-09T04:41:33 < dongs> i hope he goes back to jail
2015-10-09T04:41:35 < dongs> also "hacker"
2015-10-09T04:41:41 < dongs> more like retard
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2015-10-09T04:42:01 < ReadError> lol
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2015-10-09T04:57:33 < ReadError> do the segger jtags have other pinouts inside them? like the ulinks do
2015-10-09T04:57:53 < ReadError> jlinks*
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2015-10-09T05:03:46 < dongs> you mean inside the box?
2015-10-09T05:03:48 < dongs> not that I know of
2015-10-09T05:03:54 < dongs> there's a dongle
2015-10-09T05:03:58 < dongs> that adds other shit to jlink
2015-10-09T05:04:18 < dongs> https://www.segger.com/jlink-adapters.html
2015-10-09T05:05:48 < ReadError> yea 30$ a pop for those ;)
2015-10-09T05:06:05 < ReadError> i can just make a shitty perfboard thing for now
2015-10-09T05:06:06 < dongs> well yes
2015-10-09T05:06:10 < dongs> you gotta pay to paly
2015-10-09T05:06:12 < dongs> play
2015-10-09T05:06:39 < ReadError> yea i dont have a problem with paying, but 30 fuckin dollars for a tiny pcb
2015-10-09T05:06:46 < ReadError> with 2 connectors, nuts
2015-10-09T05:07:07 < dongs> are you making a jtag->cortexm thing?
2015-10-09T05:07:21 < dongs> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2015-10-09T05:07:29 < dongs> (or anyusa reseller has htem for aroudn 5-ish
2015-10-09T05:07:43 < ReadError> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ARM-JTAG-20-10/1188-1016-ND/3471401
2015-10-09T05:07:45 < ReadError> oh noice
2015-10-09T05:07:52 < dongs> or that
2015-10-09T05:07:56 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Olimex-Ltd/ARM-JTAG-20-10/?qs=DUTFWDROaMbVQp3WoAdijQ%3D%3D
2015-10-09T05:07:57 < dongs> a bit of a markup but yea
2015-10-09T05:08:07 < ReadError> hah why didnt this come up in my search
2015-10-09T05:08:20 < dongs> cuz youre not pro
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2015-10-09T05:14:58 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34479873 oops
2015-10-09T05:15:31 < aandrew> no way
2015-10-09T05:15:36 < aandrew> those were precision weapons
2015-10-09T05:15:48 < dongs> i dont think it really matters
2015-10-09T05:15:51 < dongs> if it was iran or syria
2015-10-09T05:15:53 < dongs> same fuckin shit
2015-10-09T05:16:13 < dongs> they should just nuke that place and turn it into a glass wasteland
2015-10-09T05:16:29 < dongs> apparently syrians are flooding germany
2015-10-09T05:16:36 < dongs> 1.5million this year alone
2015-10-09T05:16:43 < aandrew> those are some long fucking missile paths
2015-10-09T05:16:54 < dongs> they make $150 in syria, or $1000 in germany (freee alloweance), NOT allowed to work etc
2015-10-09T05:16:55 < aandrew> over two countries to get to syria
2015-10-09T05:17:05 < dongs> so basically 1.5mil freeloaders
2015-10-09T05:17:13 < dongs> and then they start fucking riots between themselves
2015-10-09T05:17:23 < aandrew> yeah I dont' mind humanitarian aid but I don't think that this is actually going to go well
2015-10-09T05:17:23 < dongs> some dickhead wiped his asshoel with a page from quran
2015-10-09T05:17:31 < dongs> and tehy  tried to fucking kill him
2015-10-09T05:17:36 < aandrew> I mean it's not going to be what the conservative talking heads in the US say
2015-10-09T05:17:43 < aandrew> but I also don't think it's going to go well
2015-10-09T05:18:47 < ReadError> wait what
2015-10-09T05:18:52 < ReadError> > be syrian
2015-10-09T05:18:56 < ReadError> > move to german
2015-10-09T05:19:02 < ReadError> > get 1000 euro free a month
2015-10-09T05:19:04 < dongs> yes
2015-10-09T05:19:06 < dongs> basically
2015-10-09T05:19:09 < ReadError> hahaha
2015-10-09T05:19:11 < dongs> and you cant work
2015-10-09T05:19:18 < ReadError> cant work on paper*
2015-10-09T05:19:25 < dongs> well sure. but why would you want to work
2015-10-09T05:19:28 < dongs> if you geet free moeny anyway.
2015-10-09T05:19:38 < ReadError> 1000 euro a month isnt much
2015-10-09T05:19:52 < ReadError> I guess you can eat etc
2015-10-09T05:20:03 < dongs> er, its certainly better than 150 a month you'd be getting in syria
2015-10-09T05:20:10 < dongs> and then you have a chance of some soviet missile hitting your house
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2015-10-09T05:23:37 < ReadError> 5 years from now germany will turn in to france re: muslims
2015-10-09T05:29:49 < dongs> ZANO: [ ] the scam is that they cant be sued if they deliver a zano to everyone who preordered it [X] there's no scam they're just sperg idiots
2015-10-09T05:34:34 < dongs> http://news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html related
2015-10-09T05:36:36 < dongs> ReadError: i just bought the last of F303 from mouser,
2015-10-09T05:36:38 < dongs> bwahah.
2015-10-09T05:36:48 < dongs> I hope you werent gonna get any.
2015-10-09T05:36:52 < ReadError> which package?
2015-10-09T05:36:56 < dongs> oh right
2015-10-09T05:36:58 < dongs> you used that retarded one
2015-10-09T05:37:03 < ReadError> 64?
2015-10-09T05:37:17 < dongs> no, 48. right. i forgot your shitclone was 64
2015-10-09T05:37:55 < ReadError> that dodo guy should really switch to the 256kb one
2015-10-09T05:38:06 < ReadError> apparently the 128 is a ragepoint
2015-10-09T05:38:47 < dongs> did you hear? clifron was threatened to stop getting paid for shit
2015-10-09T05:38:50 < dongs> and BMP280 was merged same day
2015-10-09T05:38:56 < ReadError> lul
2015-10-09T05:39:01 < dongs> SO MUCH FOR NON-COMMERCIAL INTERESTS
2015-10-09T05:40:03 < dongs> https://vid.me/Vpvp LOL
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2015-10-09T06:44:51 < ReadError> why are you using yahoo mail..
2015-10-09T06:45:03 < ReadError> gmail since 2004
2015-10-09T06:46:11 < dongs> yahoo mail wat da fuq
2015-10-09T06:46:13 < dongs> who uses that shit
2015-10-09T06:46:14 < gxti> or office 365 from your pals microsoft, like a real pro
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2015-10-09T06:50:49 < upgrdman> R2COM, ever heard of adblock plus?
2015-10-09T06:51:29 < upgrdman> google it
2015-10-09T06:51:35 < upgrdman> or yahoo it, like a faggot
2015-10-09T06:57:31 < dongs> adblock fucking sucks
2015-10-09T06:57:36 < dongs> only thieves use that shit
2015-10-09T06:57:43 < dongs> i have no problem with ads
2015-10-09T06:59:47 < ReadError> i use uBlock origin
2015-10-09T06:59:52 < ReadError> youtube ads are fucking aids
2015-10-09T07:00:47 < emeb_mac> adblockers are DESTROYING THE INTERWEBS!
2015-10-09T07:00:52 < ReadError> changing email addresses that sounds.. not fun
2015-10-09T07:03:09 < dongs> youtube ads are fucking great
2015-10-09T07:03:14 < dongs> i even watch some of them to the end
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2015-10-09T07:07:11 < ReadError> hmm why would a T7 chip be cheaper than a T6
2015-10-09T07:07:14 < ReadError> seems backwards
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2015-10-09T07:16:21 < ReadError> change your name
2015-10-09T07:16:32 < ReadError> when will timecop plays altium designer be back on
2015-10-09T07:16:40 < ReadError> i need to get some protricks
2015-10-09T07:17:19 < ReadError> yea
2015-10-09T07:17:29 < ReadError> so change it to RTWO COM
2015-10-09T07:17:32 < ReadError> or something
2015-10-09T07:17:54 < ReadError> oh i duno
2015-10-09T07:18:21 < ReadError> Account nickname
2015-10-09T07:18:21 < ReadError> Sign in to My Account.
2015-10-09T07:18:21 < ReadError> In the "Personal info & privacy" section, choose Your personal info.
2015-10-09T07:18:21 < ReadError> Choose Nickname.
2015-10-09T07:18:21 < ReadError> Enter your new nickname (or delete your current nickname).
2015-10-09T07:18:22 < ReadError> Choose Done.
2015-10-09T07:18:22 < ReadError> If you have Google+, you can change your personal name or nickname by clicking Edit profile in the "Personal info" box.
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2015-10-09T07:39:54 < ReadError> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2015-10-09T08:21:07 < ReadError> mm noice
2015-10-09T08:21:16 < ReadError> cp2104 is smaller and cheaper than the 2102
2015-10-09T08:21:26 < dongs> lolllll, fucking cloner
2015-10-09T08:22:03 < ReadError> ?
2015-10-09T08:31:23 < ReadError> hows that cloning, im out of cp2102 so might as well cheap out on stuff
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2015-10-09T08:41:42 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/OXrBm.jpg
2015-10-09T08:41:46 < ReadError> useless
2015-10-09T08:43:08 < dongs> u duno how 2 4k
2015-10-09T08:47:43 < ReadError> everything else is fine in it though
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2015-10-09T09:14:08 < ReadError> is it bad practice to route through NC pins typically?
2015-10-09T09:14:32 < ReadError> or do the pro EDA guys do it all the time
2015-10-09T09:16:23 < dongs> its fucking awful practice
2015-10-09T09:16:56 < dongs> NC is not actually NiC unless the datasheet explicitly says so
2015-10-09T09:17:05 < ReadError> "not internally connected"
2015-10-09T09:17:07 < dongs> and if its not mentioned then NC means DNC and not NC
2015-10-09T09:20:51 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/JEtli.jpg could chinastyle it
2015-10-09T09:21:10 < ReadError> lil bitta mask, lil bitta silk, any pin becomes NC!
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2015-10-09T09:44:53 < ds2> NC are often secret test pins
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2015-10-09T10:38:51 < ReadError> dongs
2015-10-09T10:38:52 < ReadError> http://blog.oscarliang.net/new-naze32-rev6-upgrade-of-rev5/
2015-10-09T10:39:02 < ReadError> "The Naze32 official configurator “Baseflight” is said to have problem with processors faster than the f1 anyway (e.g. the f3) by several members in my facebook group."
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2015-10-09T11:10:25 < PeterM> [18:38] <ReadError> "The Naze32 official configurator “Baseflight” is said to have problem with processors faster than the f1 anyway (e.g. the f3) by several members in my facebook group." wut
2015-10-09T11:10:51 < ReadError> ya i know right
2015-10-09T11:11:06 < ReadError> doesnt make any sense
2015-10-09T11:12:06 < PeterM> almost as much as HKs new prices *rolls eyes*
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2015-10-09T11:14:09 < ReadError> i heard they raised them?
2015-10-09T11:14:17 < ReadError> but offer free slow shipping
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2015-10-09T11:38:39 < dongs> http://www.thanksbuyer.com/kylinv3-digital-version-flight-control-stm32f405-for-rc-multicopter-41091 whats this a clone of
2015-10-09T11:38:51 < dongs> > facebook group
2015-10-09T11:38:53 < dongs> lol.
2015-10-09T11:52:40 < dongs> If you could private message me your details we will rectify the issues you are having. It seems a few units have got through the test rig with issues. Only teething problems and we will rectify the situation. If you wouldn't mind private messaging me, we can arrange to get your Zano sorted.
2015-10-09T11:53:02 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=13685#p13685
2015-10-09T11:53:03 < dongs> haha
2015-10-09T11:53:11 < dongs> Is this the best immage-quality of a picture? Can someone please make a picture in the best quality and post here?
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2015-10-09T12:43:55 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/JA7LmOl.png
2015-10-09T13:02:25 < rewolff> jpa: (re: 16 hours ago) Laurenceb found out the hard way that the 5V tolerant pins have a ">4V zener" to VDD. Normal (not 5V tolerant) pins just have the zener to gnd.
2015-10-09T13:03:21 < Laurenceb> and any significant current through the zener tends to eventually fry it
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2015-10-09T13:10:04 < zyp> Laurenceb, isn't that exactly what the datasheet states though?
2015-10-09T13:10:27 < Laurenceb> it says it can take 5mA
2015-10-09T13:10:42 < Laurenceb> I'm putting about 10mA through for 100µs
2015-10-09T13:11:34 < zyp> uh, I seem to recall that it explicitly says that FT pins don't support current injection and that you have to ensure they remain below Vdd+4V at all times
2015-10-09T13:12:06 < Laurenceb> ah yeah
2015-10-09T13:12:11 < Laurenceb> thats weird
2015-10-09T13:12:26 < Laurenceb> but WKUP isnt a FT pin
2015-10-09T13:12:32 < zyp> «Positive injection is not possible on these I/Os. A negative injection is induced by VIN<VSS. IINJ(PIN) must never be exceeded.»
2015-10-09T13:13:10 < zyp> oh, and 10mA is still higher than 5mA
2015-10-09T13:14:00 < zyp> «but the duration is so short» is obviously not a valid excuse
2015-10-09T13:14:16 < Laurenceb> yeah, I was surprised
2015-10-09T13:14:28 < Laurenceb> but only on newer revision F1
2015-10-09T13:14:51 < zyp> «I operated the chip outside the specifications and it eventually failed, I'm so surprised»
2015-10-09T13:15:05 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-09T13:15:29 < jpa-> yeah, it's what the datasheet says, but quite a gotcha anyway
2015-10-09T13:15:50 < Laurenceb> lots of micros can take quite a bit of current injection
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2015-10-09T13:15:59 < Laurenceb> even enough to power the whole IC up
2015-10-09T13:16:49 < zyp> Laurenceb, especially when you don't need thousands of units to work reliably for a long time
2015-10-09T13:16:57 < Laurenceb> true
2015-10-09T13:17:07 < Laurenceb> I have thousands of units running 24/7  :P
2015-10-09T13:17:29 < Laurenceb> only seen a handful of issues so far
2015-10-09T13:17:53 < zyp> and that's the thing about violating specs
2015-10-09T13:18:23 < zyp> it's not that «the device will fail if you exceed these limits», it's «may»
2015-10-09T13:18:41 < PeterM> [12:39] <dongs> PeterM: should I get LG G3 for wifecop?
2015-10-09T13:18:41 < PeterM> [12:40] <dongs> (currently on G2)
2015-10-09T13:18:49 < PeterM> stay with g2, g3 isnt that big of upgrade
2015-10-09T13:18:54 < PeterM> g4 is good though
2015-10-09T13:19:19 < zyp> and the likelihood of getting hit by that «may» goes up with time and volume
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2015-10-09T13:21:41 < jpa-> i'm not even exceeding specs and have only like 20 units that are used occassionally, and i have issues :P
2015-10-09T13:21:50 < zyp> haha
2015-10-09T13:22:32 < jpa-> randomly after firmware upgrade, some units have faults when reading instructions from flash
2015-10-09T13:22:56 < jpa-> but customer has not been able to provide me the failing units, so difficult to say why it happens..
2015-10-09T13:23:42 < jpa-> funny thing is that it is always in nuttx font code where it crashes.. somehow the large amount of branches there brings the problem out :P
2015-10-09T13:24:12 < zyp> I've managed to put 5V through non-FT-pins on discovery boards by accident a few times, but I haven't managed to break anything by doing that yet :p
2015-10-09T13:24:44 < zyp> for some reason doing that makes the leds start glowing
2015-10-09T13:25:00 < Sync> shoving 6.4V into the usart kills it
2015-10-09T13:26:07 < PeterM> [19:38] <dongs> http://www.thanksbuyer.com/kylinv3-digital-version-flight-control-stm32f405-for-rc-multicopter-41091 whats this a clone of the fcuk is up wiht the p[lacement opf passives
2015-10-09T13:26:33 < zyp> haha, nice grid
2015-10-09T13:27:27 < jpa-> it's improved grip coating
2015-10-09T13:27:34 < jpa-> so that you can hold the drone by the pcb
2015-10-09T13:27:52 < zyp> «our P&P machine only have 100mil resolution, so we have to align all parts on that grid»
2015-10-09T13:28:13 < zyp> love the caps between the header pins as well
2015-10-09T13:28:58 < PeterM> zyp i sorta get those
2015-10-09T13:29:15 < PeterM> my dick
2015-10-09T13:29:15 < zyp> yeah, I just wonder how that process looks
2015-10-09T13:29:43 < PeterM> if header is done manually, it probab;ly isbnt an issue
2015-10-09T13:30:22 < zyp> well, if the caps are reflowed first, it'll clog up the holes so you can't place the header
2015-10-09T13:30:40 < PeterM> maybe minimal paste mask
2015-10-09T13:30:42 < zyp> so somebody would have to place the caps manually after reflow then
2015-10-09T13:30:59 < zyp> idk
2015-10-09T13:31:39 < zyp> old fashioned glue would work
2015-10-09T13:31:52 < zyp> then the header could be soldered by selective wave
2015-10-09T13:32:45 < jpa-> can one reflow tht if it is held in place with e.g. glue?
2015-10-09T13:33:23 < zyp> idk, you could always do a second p&p step after reflow
2015-10-09T13:35:22 < Laurenceb> surely if those are 0.1" headers they need to be hand or wave soldered?
2015-10-09T13:35:43 < jpa-> i'm wondering what stops one from reflowing 0.1" headers?
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2015-10-09T13:36:34 < Laurenceb> the plastic will melt
2015-10-09T13:36:38 < zyp> they are PTH, the plastic used for PTH headers is usually unsuitable to reflow temps
2015-10-09T13:36:59 < zyp> not to mention that paste&reflow isn't very suited for PTH
2015-10-09T13:37:12 < jpa-> hm melting plastic, ok
2015-10-09T13:37:29 < jpa-> maybe they have glued smd parts and wave solder everything? :P
2015-10-09T13:37:46 < zyp> nah, doesn't look like a wave design
2015-10-09T13:38:17 < zyp> (and the test points aren't covered by solder like they would be)
2015-10-09T13:39:00 < zyp> and I'm unsure how well that would work for QFN anyway
2015-10-09T13:41:30 < karlp> dongs: what sort of fucking youtube ads are you getting?!
2015-10-09T13:41:45 < karlp> I only get completely terrible ones inserted all over music videos
2015-10-09T13:42:08 < emeryth> ads? on the internet?
2015-10-09T13:42:13 < karlp> listening to an album? you don't mind if we insert a 4:30 minute video of some redbull event do you?
2015-10-09T13:43:03 < ReadError> 2 atmegas?
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2015-10-09T13:44:41 < rewolff> There are SMD 0.1" headers for SMD reflow. Probably use different plastic.
2015-10-09T13:49:42 < Sync> karlp: use dem adblocks
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2015-10-09T13:55:28 < zyp> rewolff, yeah, it does, smt headers are using a high temp plastic
2015-10-09T13:59:00 < PeterM> zyp glass fiber reionforced plastic is usually good for it
2015-10-09T14:03:13 < dongs> karlp: i paste them in here most of hte time
2015-10-09T14:03:16 < dongs> i only get awesome ones
2015-10-09T14:05:44 < Laurenceb> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/10643/1444303373/BeatlesCentipede.jpg
2015-10-09T14:39:04 < dongs> shit pic but
2015-10-09T14:39:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/onswDHY.jpg
2015-10-09T14:39:13 < dongs> this guy emails asking " i soldered stuff and pads came right off "
2015-10-09T14:40:20 < zyp> I assume you answered «with a blowtorch?»
2015-10-09T14:41:12 < zyp> oh, by the way, you mentioned my stuff was shipped, is there a tracking number available?
2015-10-09T14:41:33 < zyp> and when do they want to get paid for PCBA?
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2015-10-09T14:42:49 < dongs> zyp, some fucking holidays again, but yeah it was shipped
2015-10-09T14:42:52 < dongs> i dont have tracking
2015-10-09T14:43:05 < dongs> monday is hliday too
2015-10-09T14:43:09 < zyp> haha
2015-10-09T14:43:28 < dongs> october is retarded , every other day is ah oliday
2015-10-09T14:43:48 < zyp> sounds like may in norway
2015-10-09T14:44:35 < karlp> springtime in any traditional christian country you mean?
2015-10-09T14:44:57 < karlp> lets' put all our holidays in spring! we don't need any holidays in autumn, ever
2015-10-09T14:47:34 < zyp> idk, in norway there's christmas, easter and a bunch of random dates in may
2015-10-09T14:47:50 < dongs> No successful test flights so far. Crash or abort every time. Seems to rise 50cm then fall or lower to the floor. Collision or vibration message. If doesn't sense a collision it just drops and props keep spinning on the floor. Despite fully charged battery it doesn't want to hover at a height and doesn't seem to have the power.
2015-10-09T14:47:59 < dongs> Couple of crashes have resulted in props falling off or landing posts coming loose with small C ring falling out. Managed to reattach and same issues occur. Don't want to keep trying as I'm afraid of damaging it.
2015-10-09T14:48:38 < karlp> zyp: are those random dates in may things like pentecost/whitsunday, ascension and shit?
2015-10-09T14:48:51 < Laurenceb> this sport looks good  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DehNtSvaxE
2015-10-09T14:49:23 < zyp> karlp, yeah, that's three of them
2015-10-09T14:49:53 < zyp> and the other two are labor day and constitution day
2015-10-09T14:50:07 < dongs> prostitution day
2015-10-09T14:50:17 < dongs> everyday in laurenceb land
2015-10-09T14:50:30 < dongs> k time to drive and lol @ zano
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2015-10-09T14:51:18 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Norway
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2015-10-09T14:53:46 < Laurenceb> I expected every thursday
2015-10-09T14:54:06 < Laurenceb> or should I say Thor's day
2015-10-09T14:55:07 < zyp> sounds good to me
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2015-10-09T17:11:55 < ReadError> todays hard earned lesson
2015-10-09T17:12:05 < ReadError> dont let ur grids get fucked or use a bad part in altium
2015-10-09T17:12:11 < ReadError> or everything gets fucky
2015-10-09T17:13:34 < Laurenceb> same in eagle
2015-10-09T17:13:51 < ReadError> Im guessing the hotsnaps broke everything
2015-10-09T17:13:58 < ReadError> 1 pin was 1mil off
2015-10-09T17:14:35 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-09T17:20:02 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/EasyFarawayIriomotecat
2015-10-09T17:24:12 < Laurenceb> packed for shipping
2015-10-09T17:24:25 < ReadError> whats the strangest shit japs do
2015-10-09T17:24:41 < Laurenceb> www.asianbridesonline.com/
2015-10-09T17:24:52 < Laurenceb> thats how they post them
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2015-10-09T17:26:34 < mtbg> mostly christians?
2015-10-09T17:28:50 < karlp> places that have lots of easter holidays => holidays in the spring, not many holidays in the autumn
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2015-10-09T17:33:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGW-LN5fsrE 20 minutes of german garbage
2015-10-09T17:35:51 < Laurenceb> lol 8:00
2015-10-09T17:36:05 < dongs> rofl
2015-10-09T17:36:54 < Laurenceb> lol 9:11
2015-10-09T17:36:55 < dongs> that garbage video quality
2015-10-09T17:37:00 < Laurenceb> haha 911
2015-10-09T17:37:21 < dongs> haha
2015-10-09T17:37:25 < dongs> trashprop gone
2015-10-09T17:38:03 < dongs> hahahaha
2015-10-09T17:38:08 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-10-09T17:38:09 < dongs> 11:11
2015-10-09T17:38:20 < Laurenceb> dat collision avoidance
2015-10-09T17:38:20 < dongs> right into the car side LOL
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2015-10-09T17:38:40 < artag> why do these drone flights involve so much talking ?
2015-10-09T17:38:45 < Laurenceb> its car seeking
2015-10-09T17:39:21 < mtbg> so was WisselUK's zano the best so far?
2015-10-09T17:39:22 < artag> halfway through and it's only just launched
2015-10-09T17:39:36 < artag> s/launched/crashed/
2015-10-09T17:39:46 < dongs> 13:54 LOL
2015-10-09T17:39:51 < dongs> those props are like 1mm from each other
2015-10-09T17:40:00 < dongs> wait no they're hitting
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2015-10-09T17:40:28 < artag> shold be synchronised, like a grown-up helicopter
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2015-10-09T17:41:13 < dongs> lol 15:11
2015-10-09T17:41:16 < dongs> the only thing its useful for
2015-10-09T17:41:21 < dongs> and im gonna clone that soon
2015-10-09T17:42:24 < Laurenceb> so zano looks like epic fail
2015-10-09T17:42:29 < Sync> it is
2015-10-09T17:42:30 < dongs> it always has
2015-10-09T17:42:32 < Sync> maximum fail
2015-10-09T17:42:34 < Laurenceb> the car seeker is useful
2015-10-09T17:43:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM-kKTBmJKk some jap got it also
2015-10-09T17:43:20 < dongs> in hokkaido
2015-10-09T17:43:26 < dongs> he even left his fuckign address on jewtube
2015-10-09T17:43:27 < dongs> and phone#
2015-10-09T17:43:33 < ReadError> I hope my will zano someday fly like in the promotional video.
2015-10-09T17:43:34 < ReadError> haha
2015-10-09T17:43:41 < dongs> where does it say that
2015-10-09T17:43:47 < ReadError> the german vid
2015-10-09T17:43:51 < ReadError> in description
2015-10-09T17:43:53 < englishman> wow zano looks amazing
2015-10-09T17:44:01 < dongs> o yea
2015-10-09T17:44:04 < dongs> but in german so i didnt notice
2015-10-09T17:44:14 < englishman> No comments to display
2015-10-09T17:44:19 < ReadError> oh my chrome autotranslated it
2015-10-09T17:44:30 < dongs> Die ersten Flugversuche.
2015-10-09T17:44:30 < dongs> leider klappt alles noch nicht so wie gewollt.
2015-10-09T17:44:30 < dongs> Ich hoffe meine zano wird irgendwann mal so fliegen wie in den Promotion Videos.
2015-10-09T17:44:30 < dongs> Momentan bricht die verbindung zwischen zano und handy ab.
2015-10-09T17:44:30 < dongs> Auch startet sie nicht richtig.Gas geben geht nicht und rückwärtsfliegen auch nicht.
2015-10-09T17:44:33 < dongs> Ich habe den extrem outdoor modus probiert und den normale Outdoor Modus.Im indoor modus hebt sie leider nicht ab.
2015-10-09T17:44:38 < Laurenceb> shut up
2015-10-09T17:46:17 < dongs> I can't get my Zano to take off. When I select the 'take off' button nothing happens. On the first try I get an 'upwards collision' message followed by 'ground proximity landing'. On subsequent tries I only get 'ground proximity landing'. But the propellers never move at all.
2015-10-09T17:46:24 < dongs> i wonder if ivan couldnt figure out how baro works
2015-10-09T17:46:36 < dongs> and "calibrated" it at pembrokshire for 0 height
2015-10-09T17:46:42 < dongs> so higher or lower it will not work
2015-10-09T17:46:43 < dongs> HUHU
2015-10-09T17:46:46 < mtbg> :>
2015-10-09T17:47:01 < dongs> Also, the App crashes all the time, especially when loading, but also when i just look at the video stream doing nothing. It usually works on the second try, a few times I had to force stop the App, then it worked again for some time.
2015-10-09T17:47:11 < mtbg> that would be extraordinarily dumb
2015-10-09T17:48:09 < dongs> so business as usaul for zano
2015-10-09T17:48:18 < dongs> zano: extraordinarily dumb
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2015-10-09T17:51:25 < ReadError> dongs can i make my grid in mm but my units like, mil
2015-10-09T17:51:33 < dongs> ?
2015-10-09T17:51:35 < dongs> q?
2015-10-09T17:51:48 < ReadError> all my patterns are in mm but i use mil for vias/traces
2015-10-09T17:51:50 < ReadError> and clearances
2015-10-09T17:51:52 < dongs> im 99% of the time on 0.1mm grid
2015-10-09T17:51:54 < dongs> yeah so?
2015-10-09T17:51:58 < ReadError> ya i want to use the mm grid
2015-10-09T17:52:03 < dongs> so use it?
2015-10-09T17:52:04 < dongs> whats the problem
2015-10-09T17:52:05 < ReadError> but still have it display shit in mil
2015-10-09T17:52:12 < ReadError> like trace width
2015-10-09T17:52:39 < dongs> yeah 'q' motherfucker
2015-10-09T17:52:45 < dongs> toggles units anywhere
2015-10-09T17:52:45 < ReadError> ya that changes errthang
2015-10-09T17:53:18 < ReadError> my simple american mind cant think in 0.254mm traces but 10 mil makes sense
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2015-10-09T18:20:03 < dongs> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41qvV9sicKL.jpg
2015-10-09T18:21:09 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-10-09T18:22:12 < emeb> dat seplleing
2015-10-09T18:23:42 < Lux> can i leave the boot0 pin floating ?
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2015-10-09T18:23:53 < dongs> no
2015-10-09T18:24:07 < Lux> so connect it to ground via a resistor ?
2015-10-09T18:24:25 < dongs> sure
2015-10-09T18:24:32 < gxti> or just connect it to ground, unless you anticipate needing to hack it up later
2015-10-09T18:24:39 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-09T18:24:42 < Lux> okay, thanks
2015-10-09T18:24:49 < Lux> found another fuckup..
2015-10-09T18:24:52 < dongs> if youdont plan to use bootloader or whatever etc
2015-10-09T18:24:58 < Lux> interestingly it still worked with it floating
2015-10-09T18:25:33 < Lux> yeah, i don't plan to use it
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2015-10-09T18:31:07 < jpa-> with boot0 floating, it will work from power-on reset because it is capacitively held low
2015-10-09T18:31:25 < jpa-> but then when you reset with reset button, it may have floated high and it goes to bootloader
2015-10-09T18:31:35 < jpa-> this will confuse the hell out of you
2015-10-09T18:31:39 < jpa-> don't ask how i know ;)
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2015-10-09T18:35:58 < dongs> Very odd message but I think I know what is causing this. Zano automatically de-activates the motors when it detects a USB connection or if the battery voltage is too high. I suspect the battery voltage may be right on the limit and needs to drop before Zano will allow the motors to power on.
2015-10-09T18:36:03 < dongs> haha..
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2015-10-09T18:38:07 < Lux> yep, i've seen that behaviour...
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2015-10-09T18:38:20 < Lux> but this time i killed the chip completely :/
2015-10-09T18:38:29 < Lux> doesn't even respond to swd
2015-10-09T18:38:55 < Lux> just because i am a noob at reflowing/stencelling
2015-10-09T18:39:17 < dongs> lux, you ened to fire al those eagle pros off your team
2015-10-09T18:39:34 < Lux> we use altium ;)
2015-10-09T18:39:56 < Lux> I'm just the only one with an EE background
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2015-10-09T18:41:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qxsNKrD.jpg
2015-10-09T18:42:01 < zyp> haha
2015-10-09T18:42:12 < englishman> "no wait, take me with you"
2015-10-09T18:42:40 < Laurenceb> typical day in jap land
2015-10-09T18:43:27 < Laurenceb> zano wont take off with usb plugged in
2015-10-09T18:43:29 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-10-09T18:43:50 < zyp> listening shit like that tends to be amusing either way
2015-10-09T18:44:40 < trepidacious> Are there any really small STM32 chips, smallest I've found is 5x5mm
2015-10-09T18:44:53 < dongs> why do you ned smaller
2015-10-09T18:44:55 < zyp> really small? like wlcsp?
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2015-10-09T18:46:21 < zyp> the F4 WLCSP90 is 4.2x4mm
2015-10-09T18:46:22 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=13764#p13764
2015-10-09T18:46:27 < trepidacious> dongs: Basically needs to fit in a really small space, 5x5 might just fit, but I wondered if there are any smaller
2015-10-09T18:46:31 < englishman> arent here 2.2x2.2mm wlcsp
2015-10-09T18:46:38 < zyp> I think some of the smaller chips were also available in wlcsp with fewer balls
2015-10-09T18:46:46 < trepidacious> low power would be good too
2015-10-09T18:46:59 < englishman> this souds like a job for ST Product Matrix
2015-10-09T18:47:00 < trepidacious> 2.2x2.2mm would be great
2015-10-09T18:47:12 < zyp> L0 is available in WLCSP36
2015-10-09T18:47:14 < trepidacious> Ah can you get all the STM32's on one matrix?
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2015-10-09T18:47:34 < zyp> 2.6x2.8
2015-10-09T18:47:37 < englishman> are you really going to decide between F0 and F4 based on size?
2015-10-09T18:48:01 < trepidacious> englishman: F0 would be better suited, basically I'll take whatever I can get in a very small size ;)
2015-10-09T18:48:13 < zyp> but do you even have capabilities to do .4-pitch wlcsp?
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2015-10-09T18:48:28 < englishman> f042 has 4x4 28qfn
2015-10-09T18:48:32 < dongs> trepidacious: waht do you need it to do
2015-10-09T18:48:34 < englishman> good luck actually buying it tho
2015-10-09T18:48:46 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-10-09T18:48:55 < Laurenceb> lots of this stuff is 0 stock
2015-10-09T18:48:59 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM89/SC444/PF255590
2015-10-09T18:49:00 < dongs> haha
2015-10-09T18:49:02 < dongs> they NRND'd it
2015-10-09T18:49:04 < dongs> what the hell
2015-10-09T18:49:09 < dongs> it was never on sale anywhere
2015-10-09T18:49:40 < englishman> meanwhile GD32F150 has qfn28 and is 1rmb and available everywhere (in china)
2015-10-09T18:49:41 < trepidacious> dongs: Read an I2C device and toggle a GPIO, plus store a little bit of data, STM32 is huge overkill ;)
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2015-10-09T18:50:50 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PIC10F200T-I%2FOT/PIC10F200T-I%2FOTTR-ND/665882
2015-10-09T18:50:52 < zyp> hmm, depending on how much gpio you need, you could actually do the WLCSP on cheapspecs
2015-10-09T18:50:53 < dongs> here u go
2015-10-09T18:51:52 < dongs> tons of MSP430 in 4x4 qfn
2015-10-09T18:51:56 < zyp> all required pins except boot0 and vdda is on outer ring, and you could just go across a couple of gpios to hook up those
2015-10-09T18:52:09 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MKL02Z8VFG4/MKL02Z8VFG4-ND/4234779
2015-10-09T18:52:11 < dongs> 3x3
2015-10-09T18:52:13 < dongs> and cortex
2015-10-09T18:52:32 < trepidacious> dongs: Ah cool, 3x3 is pretty good
2015-10-09T18:52:40 < dongs> and humansolderable
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2015-10-09T18:54:15 < zyp> dongs, say, what was minimum track/space for cheapspecs?
2015-10-09T18:54:32 < dongs> 5/5
2015-10-09T18:55:22 < Fleck> https://sites.google.com/site/itstheshappening/
2015-10-09T18:56:46 < trepidacious> zyp: We could probably do the WLCSP, but if we don't need to it would be nice to avoid it ;)
2015-10-09T18:57:10 < dongs> just use that feescale shit
2015-10-09T18:57:38 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LPC812M101JTB16X/568-11574-1-ND/5011473
2015-10-09T18:57:39 < dongs> loool
2015-10-09T18:57:41 < zyp> hmm, .4mm is 22 mil diagonal, 5/5 would leave 7mil for pad diameter, letting you do diagonals
2015-10-09T18:57:42 < dongs> nice fuckin package
2015-10-09T18:58:07 < trepidacious> Wow, that's pretty unusual
2015-10-09T18:58:10 < zyp> and if you can do diagonals, you can hook boot0 to vss and vdda to vref+
2015-10-09T18:58:18 < dongs> 6-XSON (3.2x2.5)
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2015-10-09T18:58:18 < dongs> 3225
2015-10-09T18:58:19 < dongs> holy shit
2015-10-09T18:58:22 < dongs> its in teh size of a crystal
2015-10-09T18:58:23 < dongs> hehe
2015-10-09T18:58:38 < dongs> could troll people with it
2015-10-09T18:58:40 < dongs> since its dfn
2015-10-09T18:58:46 < dongs> do pads directly under so nothign sticks out
2015-10-09T18:59:15 < zyp> which means you can hook up the wlcsp in a single layer with 15 gpio available
2015-10-09T18:59:24 < dongs> zyp, pic?
2015-10-09T18:59:27 < dongs> can you route out 2nd row?
2015-10-09T18:59:32 < dongs> from 04.mm?
2015-10-09T18:59:34 < zyp> no
2015-10-09T19:00:01 < zyp> but there's 15 gpio on outer ring
2015-10-09T19:00:04 < dongs> rite
2015-10-09T19:00:09 < dongs> and gnd/vcc is all in cneter?
2015-10-09T19:00:15 < zyp> no, outer
2015-10-09T19:00:25 < dongs> mmkay
2015-10-09T19:00:33 < zyp> hmm, unsure about swd
2015-10-09T19:01:04 < dongs> The peripheral complement of the LPC81xM includes a CRC engine, one I2C-bus
2015-10-09T19:01:04 < dongs> interface, up to three USARTs, up to two SPI interfaces, one multi-rate timer, self wake-up
2015-10-09T19:01:07 < dongs> timer, and state-configurable timer, one comparator, function-configurable I/O ports
2015-10-09T19:01:07 < zyp> ah, fuck, PA13 is on outer, but PA14 is on second
2015-10-09T19:01:10 < dongs> through a switch matrix, an input pattern match engine, and up to 18 general-purpose I/O
2015-10-09T19:01:13 < dongs> pins.
2015-10-09T19:01:16 < dongs> well
2015-10-09T19:01:18 < dongs> zyp, will 4 mil work
2015-10-09T19:01:20 < dongs> thats not bad!
2015-10-09T19:01:27 < zyp> but you can just waste PA12 or 15 to get to PA13
2015-10-09T19:01:31 < zyp> PA14 I mean
2015-10-09T19:01:35 < trepidacious> dongs: LPC81 thing actually looks quite nice, weird package but 3.3 x 2.6mm and internal oscillator
2015-10-09T19:01:55 < dongs> kinetis is probly intosc too, but freescale toolchain/stuff is pretty nasty shit
2015-10-09T19:02:29 < trepidacious> dongs: Being lazy, I'd kind of like to use an STM32 so I can just use my existing toolchain etc.
2015-10-09T19:02:38 < dongs> rite
2015-10-09T19:02:59 < trepidacious> So maybe the WLCSP and interesting routing :)
2015-10-09T19:03:16 < dongs> cypress psuck thing als oexists in 3x3 qfn
2015-10-09T19:03:47 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STM8L151F3U6TR/497-14041-1-ND/4485893
2015-10-09T19:03:48 < dongs> hjopw about this
2015-10-09T19:03:53 < dongs> o thats stm8
2015-10-09T19:03:53 < dongs> lo
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2015-10-09T19:04:41 < zyp> hmm, kinda tempted to make some WLCSP36 board just to see if I'm actually able to solder that
2015-10-09T19:06:21 < dongs> i have those 5x5 BGA F103s
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2015-10-09T19:06:31 < trepidacious> zyp: The L0 datasheet doesn't even seem to give footprint for WLCSP
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2015-10-09T19:06:45 < trepidacious> Ah no I'm just an idiot
2015-10-09T19:07:36 < karlp> kl02 was the one wit hthe big announcment just for being "smallest ever"
2015-10-09T19:08:41 < trepidacious> Ah cool, L0 WLCSP has internal RC as well, so that would work
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2015-10-09T19:16:32 < dongs> When Zano launches then lands almost right away, is this with the 700 or 450mAh battery? We have had no experience of these issues lately with the 700mAh with the new launch profiles but at the same time, if you could provide your location and approximate air temperature, we can adjust the profiles and release these update in r50 of the OS for release next week to all Zano's.
2015-10-09T19:16:37 < dongs> what
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2015-10-09T19:30:08 < Lux> found the mistake, how come swd works with swcld and swdio only fine at one point and then it only works if i connect the reset aswell?
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2015-10-09T19:32:05 < ReadError> ive SWD's w/o reset
2015-10-09T19:32:10 < ReadError> unsure how but it worked
2015-10-09T19:32:46 < Lux> yeah it worked for me too on the same board, but somehow it doesn't anymore :/
2015-10-09T19:32:48 < karlp> depends if you go into any wfi modes or anyuthing and don't fiddle the DBGMCU bits to allow it
2015-10-09T19:34:44 < Lux> i didn't fiddle with that, maybe it got changed due to some programming error
2015-10-09T19:34:49 < Lux> strange
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2015-10-09T20:15:05 < Laurenceb> https://streamable.com/xapb
2015-10-09T20:26:13 < dongs> 6 minutes ago
2015-10-09T20:26:13 < dongs> I think my zano has died already. Not even a blink when a full battery is inserted  :( Any ideas?
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2015-10-09T20:41:11 < mtbg> what is the official reason they ship preorders first?
2015-10-09T20:41:37 < ds2> prehaps it is cuz those people can sue and backers can't?
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2015-10-09T22:33:09 < karlp> dongs: sad that the st imu with cm0 is nrnd? go to boshc/atmel! http://www.edn-europe.com/en/custom-programmable-9-axis-motion-sensor-integrates-arm-core.html?cmp_id=7&news_id=10007403&vID=2045#.VhgWRq27yV4
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2015-10-09T23:03:48 < kakimir> !?
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2015-10-09T23:12:19 < jpa-> now my blog is mobile friendly \o/
2015-10-09T23:12:49 < BrainDamage> it tells people to download a 20MB spyware to access the content?
2015-10-09T23:13:13 < jpa-> yeah and then crashes
2015-10-09T23:13:23 < jpa-> except on ie6, there it works
2015-10-09T23:18:12 < artag> i'm not a big intel fan, but I'm quite interested in the Curie. The Edison wasn't awful either, despite their best efforts to cripple it by pretending to be an arduino
2015-10-09T23:20:12 < englishman> im holding out for intel bohr
2015-10-09T23:20:15 < Steffanx> you went responsive designing jpa-?
2015-10-09T23:20:56 < Steffanx> even rounded corners
2015-10-09T23:21:41 < Steffanx> im proud
2015-10-09T23:21:45 < zyp> intel edison had this severe lack of decent IO
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2015-10-09T23:24:52 < zyp> oh, curie is mcu spec
2015-10-09T23:27:32 < Laurenceb_> lol edison
2015-10-09T23:28:07 < Laurenceb_> if i just wanted a fast processor I'd buy a xeon
2015-10-09T23:28:23 < artag> the one before edison was daft, but edison turned out better than I expected
2015-10-09T23:31:39 < karlp> was before edison the gallileo or something? that was super daft
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2015-10-09T23:34:31 < artag> yes, it took like atom-level power
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2015-10-09T23:35:57 < artag> the edison was still smaller than its battery but at least it was small and had a cunning microcontroller to do difficult things with
2015-10-09T23:36:38 < artag> amusngly, the Curie seems to be exactly that controller with some interesting sensors
2015-10-09T23:36:47 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/xygc39y.jpg
2015-10-09T23:37:28 < Laurenceb_> wtf curie is tiny
2015-10-09T23:37:43 < zyp> try swallowing one
2015-10-09T23:37:59 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-09T23:49:37 < kakimir> zyp: budget solutions https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/13103/ghfhf/Intel-Core-i3-6100T-3-2-GHz-LGA1151-suoritin
2015-10-09T23:51:04 < zyp> still expensive for what it is
2015-10-09T23:52:46 < kakimir> way under the optimum linear graph
2015-10-09T23:59:01 < kakimir> thats what you get with budget models
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2015-10-10T00:34:54 < kakimir> at least rtc crystal is running perfectly fine without analog voltage rails
2015-10-10T00:35:18 < kakimir> but main oscillator was just unmeasurable noise without any pattern
2015-10-10T00:35:58 < kakimir> maybe it should be in stalled state in start
2015-10-10T00:37:44 < kakimir> I don't understand why blank chip should run rtc
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2015-10-10T00:47:18 < kakimir> maybe it makes sense somehow
2015-10-10T00:47:56 < kakimir> it doesn't lose the count during boot
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2015-10-10T02:04:24 < upgrdman> heh. my element14 catalog arrived today. thing's a fucking beast. like 100mm thick
2015-10-10T02:13:42 < fenugrec> paper catalogs... getting rare now
2015-10-10T02:18:46 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-10T02:19:03 < upgrdman> it half nice to have, half annoying being unable to ctrl-f it
2015-10-10T02:34:31 < aandrew> lol
2015-10-10T02:34:37 < aandrew> paper catalogs
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2015-10-10T02:45:24 < mtbg> trees are crying
2015-10-10T02:47:02 < aandrew> you're not supposed to kill the trees that actually cry
2015-10-10T02:47:34 < dongs> karlp: its almost 2x the size of ST one tho
2015-10-10T02:50:38 < upgrdman> found dongs' office  http://imgur.com/0qf0EPb
2015-10-10T02:53:19 < mtbg> training on uretic catheter insertion?
2015-10-10T02:55:03 < upgrdman> guess so
2015-10-10T03:14:56 < dongs> lul
2015-10-10T03:15:00 < dongs> im shipping something to sweden
2015-10-10T03:15:10 < dongs> address is something something kristinas vag something something
2015-10-10T03:15:35 < PeterM> upgrdman, i quite like paper catalogs, very  good for connectors and switches etc
2015-10-10T03:15:55 < PeterM> dongs is this for your dildo? lol
2015-10-10T03:15:59 < upgrdman> ya. nice for quickly finding what something is called too
2015-10-10T03:16:03 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-10T03:16:36 < PeterM> oh shit - i thought of amaze name for you on IRC if you can't be dongs anymore - TIMECOCK
2015-10-10T03:16:44 < dongs> old as fuck
2015-10-10T03:16:51 < PeterM> tru
2015-10-10T03:16:57 < PeterM> probabl;y b&
2015-10-10T03:17:01 < PeterM> too
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2015-10-10T03:32:14 < kakimir> did you know that IBM leased their mainframes for nazis?
2015-10-10T03:32:35 < kakimir> wait.. mechanical computers or whatever
2015-10-10T03:34:16 < kakimir> to keep count of jews
2015-10-10T03:35:31 < dongs> How about we save eachother the shipping cost. I am US back #12651. I plan on returning the zano in the box un-opened either way so how about TG just refunds the money now. They say they can't issue a refund because my order is being processed. TG hasn't started shipping US orders. This policy is BS..
2015-10-10T03:37:46 < Sync> trolled
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2015-10-10T03:38:57 < dongs> I just don't want to hear never again the name "ZANO".
2015-10-10T03:38:57 < dongs> The experience with it has been so frustrating that I want my money back and give you back your drone, that in my opinion is the worst thing that somebody could imagine (and buy).
2015-10-10T03:39:00 < dongs> So please tell me how can I do to have my money back.
2015-10-10T03:39:40 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/6IVXvg22.html
2015-10-10T03:39:42 < Sync> so how long do you expect them to last?
2015-10-10T03:39:47 < Sync> or do they even have money left over?
2015-10-10T03:40:30 < dongs> with half a million wasted on HPC and another half or more on useless obsolete-on-arrival equipment, im guessing they dont have much left
2015-10-10T03:41:16 < Sync> I don't get how they could have spent .5M on those few non stuffed racks
2015-10-10T03:41:26 < dongs> read no.pdf
2015-10-10T03:42:04 < dongs> The HPC (Super computer) is a 100 blade dual quad core xeon monster. Let me expand on that, it means each blade has two Xeon CPU's and each CPU has four cores. Each blade has 16GB of local memory and 73GB RAID 15,000rpm drives. All connected to a 15TB fibre channel NAS (Network storage) via multiple multigigbit connections.
2015-10-10T03:42:27 < dongs> er yeah thats not a lot.
2015-10-10T03:42:42 < Sync> I mean, wat
2015-10-10T03:42:47 < Sync> it's not even modern shits
2015-10-10T03:43:11 < dongs> We will be using this HPC to batch process photo and video footage from Zano's but only if you choose to submit your content. The batch processing will be able to apply various correction filters and processes to video and photos.
2015-10-10T03:45:16 < upgrdman> so they built an HPC so they could apply instagram filters to shit customer videos?
2015-10-10T03:45:19 < dongs> no.pdf is just fucking great
2015-10-10T03:45:26 < dongs> http://noflyzano.com/no.pdf
2015-10-10T03:47:24 < dongs> Good morning all, Again, we want to say thank you to our wonderful backers. Your support makes creating technology like Zano so much fun, a big thank you from everyone here at Torquing Group Ltd.
2015-10-10T03:48:18 < dongs> <ivan> Many months back, I was doing some test flying outside our office and to test how tough Zano was, at 15m altitude I simply turned off the motors. Nano tumbled and hit the car park. Now I wouldn't suggest anyone try this, in fact the software fail safes won't allow this to happen.
2015-10-10T03:48:39 < dongs> rly now
2015-10-10T03:48:47 < dongs> there's videos of it doing exactly that
2015-10-10T03:54:01 < dongs> ZANO has its own purpose built operating system entirely written in house in pure Assembly language. This is one way we are able to pack so much into such a small space.
2015-10-10T03:54:21 < dongs> HDR through software is something we may look into later on after launch, with the post processing capabilities we are offering through our dedicated ZANO HPC (Supercomputer), the usual editing, compensation and correction capabilities should all be there so though the raw content may not have the dynamic range adjusted, the post processed version certainly could do.
2015-10-10T03:54:49 < Sync> u sure? maybe it is just the naysayers discrediting zaNO
2015-10-10T03:55:07 < dongs> my own zano video is flying perfectly fine
2015-10-10T03:55:14 < dongs> i'm just a chinese competitor trying to talk shit about thier great product
2015-10-10T03:57:27 < Sync> This functionality also supports places like schools having a Zano mesh
2015-10-10T03:57:27 < Sync> transmitter that transits NO ZANO commands and Zano’s will not power up in the
2015-10-10T03:57:28 < Sync> vicinity of the beacon.
2015-10-10T03:57:29 < Sync> WAT
2015-10-10T03:57:46 < dongs> haha
2015-10-10T03:57:56 < dongs> thats fucking it
2015-10-10T03:58:00 < dongs> thats why zanos areny flying
2015-10-10T03:58:08 < dongs> chinks have a NOZANO transmitters everywehre
2015-10-10T04:01:30 < dongs> sync, whats your opinion on no.pdf
2015-10-10T04:04:05 < dongs> We will start at 720p video and check all the digital on board electronics and as soon as we can push to 1080p and 30fps, we will as mentioned with the stretch goals for MicroSD recording.
2015-10-10T04:04:31 < Sync> well
2015-10-10T04:04:33 < Sync> idk
2015-10-10T04:04:37 < dongs> Nov 28 2014 I'd better stop here and get back to those PCB revisions.
2015-10-10T04:04:39 < Sync> it is all ivan rambling
2015-10-10T04:05:09 < dongs> Yes, you could easily rotate Zano 180 degrees from the operator and use it for videoing sporting events, taking stunning scenic photos etc.
2015-10-10T04:05:12 < dongs> lolf
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2015-10-10T04:40:26 < upgrdman> are there any tools for converting black-and-white images into c arrays for use with lcds? tempted to write my own, but there's got to be some ready made trash, no?
2015-10-10T04:40:34 < dongs> yeah tons and tons
2015-10-10T04:40:41 < upgrdman> what do i google
2015-10-10T04:40:47 < dongs> i used something when i was doing that lcd shit few weeks ago
2015-10-10T04:40:47 < dongs> looking
2015-10-10T04:41:48 < dongs> http://en.radzio.dxp.pl/bitmap_converter/
2015-10-10T04:41:49 < dongs> used this
2015-10-10T04:41:51 < dongs> was super pro
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2015-10-10T04:43:06 < dongs> it even outputs stuff in that 'vertical bits' format
2015-10-10T04:43:15 < dongs> which is wat my lcd needed
2015-10-10T04:45:19 < upgrdman> thanks!
2015-10-10T04:49:34 < upgrdman> hows the colon treating you, flyback?
2015-10-10T04:51:55 < upgrdman> blown, his ass has been fucked up for years. he used to moan about it in irc.
2015-10-10T04:54:16 < karlp> ohhhh yes.....++plus+
2015-10-10T04:54:37 < upgrdman> :/
2015-10-10T04:58:58 < aandrew> dongs: you do much work with the stm32 regulator modes?
2015-10-10T04:59:05 < dongs> sleep shit you mean?
2015-10-10T04:59:16 < dongs> wat is 'regulartor mode'
2015-10-10T04:59:33 < aandrew> apparently MR can do voltage scaling and hsit
2015-10-10T04:59:34 < aandrew> er shit
2015-10-10T05:00:02 < dongs> noep, you lost me, i duno waht you say
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2015-10-10T05:02:54 < upgrdman> wow. super pro.  http://www.riuson.com/lcd-image-converter
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2015-10-10T05:03:16 < dongs> uh
2015-10-10T05:03:19 < dongs> looks like a lunix app
2015-10-10T05:05:11 < upgrdman> no
2015-10-10T05:05:15 < upgrdman> "Precompiled binaries for Microsoft Windows. For other operating systems is required to build an application from source codes."
2015-10-10T05:05:29 < upgrdman> cross-dickform apps FTW
2015-10-10T05:09:48 < dongs> crossplatform: works liek shit on every platform
2015-10-10T05:09:52 < dongs> thats what that word means to me
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2015-10-10T05:19:46 < Roklobsta> dongs: well exactly, the crappest system is the base level configuration target.
2015-10-10T05:20:44 < dongs> kinda like console games
2015-10-10T05:20:48 < dongs> that get ported to pc
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2015-10-10T05:31:56 < aandrew> ok
2015-10-10T05:32:11 < aandrew> so any layout/schematic tips for stm32, things I might overlook on a first layout
2015-10-10T05:32:20 < aandrew> stuff to avoid, stuff ot make sure I don't forget etc
2015-10-10T05:33:24 < aandrew> sure that's pretty standard stuff though
2015-10-10T05:38:01 < Roklobsta> Don't eat yellow snow.
2015-10-10T05:41:17 < karlp> there's an app note for every family, "getting started with stm32XXYZZ".pdf
2015-10-10T05:41:24 < karlp> it's a worthwhile read
2015-10-10T05:42:12 < Roklobsta> http://www.ultracad.com/ has a pile of useful stuff.  has had for 15+ years
2015-10-10T05:47:44 < aandrew> not looking for general layout advice, looking for stm32f4 specific layout/scheamtic/pinshit advice
2015-10-10T05:48:00 < dongs> there's a hardware checklist
2015-10-10T05:48:01 < aandrew> I know how to lay a board out, looking for gotchas/etc on this specific part
2015-10-10T05:48:10 < aandrew> orly
2015-10-10T05:48:11 < aandrew> I'll grab that
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2015-10-10T05:48:28 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00115714.pdf
2015-10-10T05:49:06 < aandrew> I've already implemented the stm32f4/f3/f1 cross compatibility shit since I doubt I'll actually need f4 on this design
2015-10-10T06:05:02 < ReadError> is there an industry standard for fab drills
2015-10-10T06:05:10 < ReadError> or is it just w/e they decide they want to use
2015-10-10T06:05:11 < aandrew> don't think so
2015-10-10T06:05:37 < aandrew> I think it's a set that most people have but nobody holds you to and in fact many board houses will scale the drills up or down to fit their stock drills unless you pay more
2015-10-10T06:06:52 < ReadError> these idiots were like ok, 3mm hole, lets drill .122", oh, and you need 0.142" clearance ??
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2015-10-10T06:09:07 < ReadError> need better options on places
2015-10-10T06:09:40 < ReadError> 4
2015-10-10T06:09:59 < ReadError> for the most part osh is solid but waiting so long sucks
2015-10-10T06:11:38 < PeterM> oshpark seemed like a quickish fab until they started fucking shit up and haveing to wait 2x for boards.
2015-10-10T06:11:47 < PeterM> much never use
2015-10-10T06:12:29 < ReadError> I wish china had a fast/decent/notrape proto place
2015-10-10T06:12:36 < ReadError> but I guess you can only have 2/3
2015-10-10T06:13:26 < PeterM> notrape?
2015-10-10T06:13:45 < PeterM> oh not rape
2015-10-10T06:13:50 < PeterM> i was like no traps?
2015-10-10T06:14:14 < PeterM> what kinda price you looking at ReadError?
2015-10-10T06:15:25 < aandrew> hackvana's pretty decent IMO
2015-10-10T06:15:53 < PeterM> 10x 10x10cm 4l is $80 iirc
2015-10-10T06:16:07 < PeterM> then $35 or something if you want DHl
2015-10-10T06:16:17 < aandrew> that's notrape if you ask me
2015-10-10T06:16:25 < aandrew> particularly because it's also electrically tested
2015-10-10T06:17:11 < ReadError> I mean, I would be game for like 75-100$ for ~50sqcm of 4layer but a quicker turn around
2015-10-10T06:17:39 < PeterM> i think with dhl you're looking at 1.5-2weeks for a 4l from hackvana
2015-10-10T06:17:42 < ReadError> if i had the boards within 5 days or so
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2015-10-10T06:17:58 < aandrew> yeah shipping from china to canada is usually about a week dhl
2015-10-10T06:18:01 < PeterM> but not sure because i live in middle of nowhere
2015-10-10T06:18:11 < PeterM> so shit is liek 4wk
2015-10-10T06:18:22 < ReadError> UPS Intl and DHL are pretty quick here
2015-10-10T06:18:32 < ReadError> around 2-3days
2015-10-10T06:18:50 < ReadError> ive had stuff come in 24hrs somehow but that could have been a fluke
2015-10-10T06:19:20 < PeterM> i think you expect 5days for board MFG then 4 bussiness days for shipping (fabs are 24/7 but shipping isnt)
2015-10-10T06:21:36 < ReadError> if they could spin boards in 2 days then ship DHL that would be nice too
2015-10-10T06:22:26 < ReadError> guess theres no market
2015-10-10T06:23:06 < PeterM> you can pay extra for a rush job, 60 for 3 days or something
2015-10-10T06:24:20 < ReadError> yea i dont have a problem paying, hackvana?
2015-10-10T06:25:07 < ReadError> domestic fab quickturn was like 400$ for 2 4L boards (~36x36mm)
2015-10-10T06:25:17 < ReadError> and then they have super shitty specs too
2015-10-10T06:33:13 < ReadError> gave smartprototyping a try though
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2015-10-10T08:50:03 < aandrew> what fucking bullshit
2015-10-10T08:50:30 < aandrew> can't get USB FS and USART1 or USART6 with HW flow control
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2015-10-10T09:51:35 < aandrew> stm32 pin muxing is fucked
2015-10-10T09:52:02 < aandrew> I've got NOTHIGN on PE8-15 or PD8-15 and everything wants to be crammed on to the other pins
2015-10-10T09:52:33 < aandrew> all I2C, SPI, I2C, USART conflict to some extent on the other pins. Hell even DCMI is not on those totally unused ports
2015-10-10T09:58:48 < jpa-> you clearly need microxplorer ;)
2015-10-10T10:37:22 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5hDzwi4vA more japs with zanos
2015-10-10T10:40:07 < Roklobsta> must be some kind of ground hugging mode
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2015-10-10T10:44:47 < ReadError> dongs http://quickturnpcb.co.kr/index.php familiar?
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2015-10-10T10:45:07 < ReadError> their stuff seems pretty pro
2015-10-10T10:45:53 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/ey8gm
2015-10-10T10:46:08 < ReadError> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKr92lvUsAAwLBz.jpg:large
2015-10-10T10:46:12 < ReadError> cant find much more about em though
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2015-10-10T14:42:12 < Tectu> hi
2015-10-10T14:44:13 < PeterM> hello
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2015-10-10T14:47:07 < Tectu> #define MAX_SEMAPHORE_COUNT	((semcount_t)(((unsigned long)((semcount_t)(-1))) >> 1))
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2015-10-10T17:42:18 < Laurenceb_> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8148855&cid=50697199
2015-10-10T17:42:20 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs
2015-10-10T17:43:12 < Laurenceb_> parent comment ... wtf
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2015-10-10T19:12:59 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-BfZCGXD/0/X3/CA_10101511575592-X3.jpg
2015-10-10T19:13:09 < ReadError> osh castellation experiment worked!
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2015-10-10T19:17:03 < emeb> that's neat
2015-10-10T19:18:02 < emeb> what's the board do?
2015-10-10T19:19:23 < ReadError> power filtering, 5/12 buck and OSD
2015-10-10T19:19:41 < ReadError> been wanting to try those half vias for a while, glad they worked
2015-10-10T19:25:56 < upgrdman> anyone know of a *bottom entry* usb port? so you woul route out a hole in the PCB and plug the cable in through the PCB.
2015-10-10T19:30:13 < BrainDamage> i'm pretty sure there's a joke in there
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2015-10-10T19:54:41 < upgrdman> was kind thinking about using a pcb as a front panel, so being able to do bottom entry ports would be super convenient and clean
2015-10-10T19:56:46 < aandrew>  A 72mhz ARMv6 chip ... meh, give me the AVR at 20mhz
2015-10-10T19:56:49 < aandrew> ELL OH FUCKING ELL
2015-10-10T19:57:34 < aandrew> The AVR has a fully orthogonal instruction set. Writing AVR assembly is actually enjoyable. Unlike ARM (god don't get me started on x86).
2015-10-10T19:57:40 < aandrew> this guy has no clue what the fuck he's talking about
2015-10-10T19:57:58 < aandrew> AVR chips are durable, you're not going to find an ARM that can handle the load/voltage of an AVR. I could go on for hours.
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2015-10-10T19:58:14 < aandrew> LOL. Kinetis blows the shit out of AVR on that point (although Kinetis is a big pile of suck for other reasons0
2015-10-10T20:03:15 < kakimir> sweet. linux tool didn't ask politelly if new firmware would be installed
2015-10-10T20:03:27 < kakimir> bam. it's there. enjoy
2015-10-10T20:04:43 < kakimir> doesn't enumerate
2015-10-10T20:08:11 < kakimir> good thing I have pile of extra ones
2015-10-10T20:19:28 < englishman> Laurenceb_: lol @ link
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2015-10-10T20:21:39 < englishman> Heh, I have about 12 naze boards, I'm in the commit logs for baseflight, it is EXACTLY what I'm talking about,
2015-10-10T20:21:42 < englishman> aandrew: sorry bro
2015-10-10T20:21:46 < englishman> he said he knows what hes talking about
2015-10-10T20:22:33 < englishman> Floating point isn't actually a good thing in flight controllers, fixed point is preferred..
2015-10-10T20:22:35 < englishman> attn Lux
2015-10-10T20:24:01 < kakimir> planning to install tommorrow cc3d to brothers 3d after I get it balanced well first
2015-10-10T20:24:32 < englishman> but thats stm32f1
2015-10-10T20:24:37 < englishman> you shoulda got a kk2.0
2015-10-10T20:25:03 < englishman> that whole thread is just wrong
2015-10-10T20:25:12 < englishman> original topic is about a DIP LPC in a breadboard
2015-10-10T20:27:36 < karlp> upgrdman: gimp can save images as .c or .h too,
2015-10-10T20:29:31 < aandrew> heh
2015-10-10T20:30:05 < aandrew> I *love* fixed point math, but if you're actually going for prcision with lots of weirdass coefficients and long integration times you want teh floats
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2015-10-10T20:32:37 < Sync> aandrew: we exclusively use floats in our motion con-troller for important shits, hardfloat ftw
2015-10-10T20:32:44 < aandrew> yep
2015-10-10T20:32:47 < aandrew> if you've got it, use it
2015-10-10T20:33:01 < aandrew> fixed point is nice for Q&D work or on tiny micros which can't do it quickly
2015-10-10T20:35:39 < Sync> it's not worth our time to fuck around with optimized math until we run into performance issues
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2015-10-10T20:35:51 < karlp> I'm using fixed point on l1 for bandpass filtering, couldn't get it fast enough on enough channels with soft float :|
2015-10-10T20:36:04 < karlp> gave me plenty of grief though, float would have been easier :)
2015-10-10T20:36:51 < englishman> are you using timecube or something else, l1 has no more stdperiphlib right
2015-10-10T20:37:51 < aandrew> < Sync> it's not worth our time to fuck around with optimized math until we run into performance issues
2015-10-10T20:37:55 < aandrew> ding ding ding ding ding!!!
2015-10-10T20:38:00 < aandrew> nobody fucking gets that
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2015-10-10T20:39:06 < upgrdman> karlp, does it let you specify the pixel ordering?
2015-10-10T20:39:24 < karlp> no clue, just thought it was worth mentioning :)
2015-10-10T20:39:35 < karlp> englishman: no, libopencm3 and cmsis-dsp
2015-10-10T20:39:40 < englishman> cool
2015-10-10T20:40:01 < aandrew> R2COM: $4 will not be the price difference in 10mil qty
2015-10-10T20:40:04 < karlp> yeah, cmsis dsp was way faster than my hacking on writing iir filters by hand
2015-10-10T20:40:11  * karlp is no emeb
2015-10-10T20:40:39 < Sync> because your mcu costs $4 at 10000000 qty
2015-10-10T20:40:55 < Sync> and purchasing tells you that the chian clone 8051 is only $.21
2015-10-10T20:41:42 < englishman> if youre making 10m of something hopefully your team of programmers can decide on a mcu thats reasonably priced and does the job
2015-10-10T20:42:04 < aandrew> ask zano
2015-10-10T20:42:15 < englishman> hehe
2015-10-10T20:42:18 < aandrew> I hear they have experience in that realm
2015-10-10T20:42:20 < englishman> theyre not even making 20k
2015-10-10T20:42:23 < englishman> well
2015-10-10T20:42:25 < Sync> where they use an underperforming cpu that is too spendy :D
2015-10-10T20:42:26 < englishman> probably not making 100
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2015-10-10T20:43:22 < Sync> R2COM: it is getting an increasingly significant problem
2015-10-10T20:43:36 < Sync> I know someone who makes railway safety stuff
2015-10-10T20:43:50 < Sync> and they use lots of obsolete hardware in them
2015-10-10T20:45:09 < Sync> well, they order legit chips
2015-10-10T20:45:15 < emeb> karlp: I use CMSIS DSP sometimes
2015-10-10T20:45:18 < Sync> but then you decap them and it is cloner stuff
2015-10-10T20:45:26 < emeb> had some trouble with it not working right in the past though
2015-10-10T20:45:39 < Sync> to make sure you get legit chips?
2015-10-10T20:45:45 < Sync> people will die if they fail
2015-10-10T20:45:46 < emeb> and often they don't have functions I need...
2015-10-10T20:47:02 < Sync> that's a good question to ask
2015-10-10T20:47:08 < Sync> another interesting thing are analog muxes
2015-10-10T20:47:21 < Sync> only shit is currently distributed
2015-10-10T20:47:41 < Sync> no, they buy from reputable distributors
2015-10-10T20:47:48 < Sync> but those can only source so much
2015-10-10T20:48:21 < Sync> find me a safety certified cpu 25 years ago
2015-10-10T20:48:37 < aandrew> you can get counterfeit ICs anywhere
2015-10-10T20:48:49 < aandrew> we were getting counterfeit intel 80196 motor contorl ICs
2015-10-10T20:48:51 < Sync> there sure is, you qualify your distributors and then buy from them
2015-10-10T20:48:52 < aandrew> this was 15 years ago
2015-10-10T20:48:57 < Sync> SOP
2015-10-10T20:49:17 < aandrew> R2COM: no, from a distributor who was supposed to be getting from intel
2015-10-10T20:49:21 < aandrew> but was getting from grey market
2015-10-10T20:49:25 < englishman> heh
2015-10-10T20:49:40 < ReadError> fake airplane parts
2015-10-10T20:49:43 < ReadError> pretty common
2015-10-10T20:49:52 < englishman> yeah they find them all over mauritius
2015-10-10T20:49:55 < ReadError> or ones w/o proper documentation*
2015-10-10T20:49:58 < aandrew> R2COM: I agree
2015-10-10T20:50:29 < Sync> oh yes TI can
2015-10-10T20:50:34 < aandrew> R2COM: however NONE of those want to deal with ou directly unless you're doing huge orders
2015-10-10T20:50:41 < Sync> they might not be counterfit, but they perform differently
2015-10-10T20:50:42 < aandrew> they want you to go through distribution
2015-10-10T20:50:47 < Sync> also ^
2015-10-10T20:50:51 < aandrew> so that's teh avnets and the arrows and so on
2015-10-10T20:50:57 < aandrew> and that's where shit can sneak in
2015-10-10T20:51:11 < aandrew> although to their credit I've never had counterfeit parts through those "big name" distributors
2015-10-10T20:51:15 < aandrew> their reputiaton is too important to them
2015-10-10T20:51:27 < Sync> aandrew: the fake 8051 came from farnell
2015-10-10T20:51:40 < aandrew> but when your CEO is telling your purchasing dept to cut 10% off the BOM at any cost, they will start finding greymarket vendors
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2015-10-10T20:52:12 < aandrew> R2COM: I agree, why are you mad at me
2015-10-10T20:53:33 < aandrew> what I am saying is that you can't call up intel and say you want 2500pcs/yr blanketed over 12mos
2015-10-10T21:00:42 < Steffanx> R2COM will just go custom asic when he wants to ;)
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2015-10-10T21:05:46 < ReadError> I bet bad code has caused more issues than bad parts, in the long term
2015-10-10T21:06:10 < aandrew> agreed
2015-10-10T21:06:33 < aandrew> the 80196 issue we were having was werid. the thing just did not execute certain instructions
2015-10-10T21:06:55 < aandrew> tracked it down with an ICE, when we contacted Intel and they asked for the serial numbers of the parts they came back with "uh, those aren't ours."
2015-10-10T21:07:03 < karlp> artookom just likes yelling at people I think :)
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2015-10-10T21:21:25 < DrLuke> Hi, I've created a json library containing a lot of stm32 devices and their pin layout
2015-10-10T21:21:26 < DrLuke> https://github.com/DrLuke/stm32-json/tree/master/json
2015-10-10T21:21:40 < DrLuke> It can be used to automatically generate schematic symbols
2015-10-10T21:29:00 < ReadError> wow thats pretty neat
2015-10-10T21:29:06 < ReadError> not sure what I have that could use it
2015-10-10T21:29:24 < ReadError> but a simple js thing to display it would be nice
2015-10-10T21:29:30 < DrLuke> ReadError: feel free to use it
2015-10-10T21:30:48 < Steffanx> did you do it all yourself or did you convert the microxplorer stuff?
2015-10-10T21:31:11 < DrLuke> Steffanx: I converted
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2015-10-10T21:32:01 < DrLuke> and I changed it around a bit, there were some inconsistencies. For example, some alt functions for pins were just put into the name instead of listing it as an actual alt function
2015-10-10T21:32:07 < DrLuke> I fixed that
2015-10-10T21:32:52 < DrLuke> Next up will be adding links to the datasheets for all devices
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2015-10-10T21:42:31 < ReadError> any front end tool that can use these yet?
2015-10-10T21:42:42 < ReadError> seems better than scrubbing through a 500 page datasheet
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2015-10-10T21:49:04 <@Steffanx> i expect a web based tool soon.
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2015-10-10T21:52:54  * jpa- pokes Steffanx's pile of poo
2015-10-10T21:53:08 <@Steffanx> wut wut jpa-?
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2015-10-10T21:54:17 < Steffanx> What has the pile of poo done to you that it deserves that jpa-?
2015-10-10T21:54:54 < jpa-> it was a friendly poke
2015-10-10T21:55:12 < jpa-> but how do i make a cats tail comply with EN71?
2015-10-10T21:55:22 < Steffanx> but im not sure why? because of the web based tool?
2015-10-10T21:56:59 < jpa-> same reason people went to moon: because it was there
2015-10-10T21:58:16 < Steffanx> im not the ddfl so i can't help you with that.
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2015-10-10T22:02:25 < karlp> en71 cats tails whats?
2015-10-10T22:03:09 < karlp> gplv3 drluke?
2015-10-10T22:03:14 < DrLuke> karlp: yes
2015-10-10T22:04:03 < DrLuke> Steffanx: Feel free to make one
2015-10-10T22:04:07 < Steffanx> hehe.
2015-10-10T22:04:12 < karlp> how are you expecting anyone to use those files drluke?
2015-10-10T22:04:13 < DrLuke> I'm not going to, because webdev is shitty
2015-10-10T22:04:33 < DrLuke> karlp: Import them using your favourite json library
2015-10-10T22:05:07 < karlp> and then what? gplv3 on anything derived?
2015-10-10T22:05:13 < DrLuke> yeah why not?
2015-10-10T22:05:17 < karlp> why on earth would I want that at the very root of my project?
2015-10-10T22:05:21 < DrLuke> I don't want it to end up in proprietary work
2015-10-10T22:05:42 < karlp> godo for you.
2015-10-10T22:05:50 < DrLuke> What other license would you suggest?
2015-10-10T22:05:50 < jpa-> if you took the files from microxplorer, do you have rights to relicense it?
2015-10-10T22:06:02 < DrLuke> jpa-: I generated new files
2015-10-10T22:06:02 < karlp> bsd2 or mit or x11 for somethign this basic.
2015-10-10T22:06:09 < karlp> much like devicetree files.
2015-10-10T22:06:15 < jpa-> DrLuke: but isn't it derived from there?
2015-10-10T22:06:35 < karlp> dual licensed if you wish, but locking gplv3 at such a fundamental top level of ap roject rules it out immeidately for lots of people.
2015-10-10T22:06:48 < DrLuke> karlp: fair enough
2015-10-10T22:07:00 < jpa-> karlp: i don't think it would extend to pin mappings derived from it, though :P
2015-10-10T22:07:19 < DrLuke> jpa-: Well, would it make a difference if I would've parsed the data from the datasheets?
2015-10-10T22:07:23 < jpa-> i guess one could claim "non copyrightable" on the material anyway
2015-10-10T22:07:40 < DrLuke> jpa-: I probably shouldn't license it
2015-10-10T22:07:46 < jpa-> DrLuke: not sure, i'm not a lawyer - i just think that if you can claim a license on it, so can st
2015-10-10T22:07:54 < jpa-> and ST generally does not do gpl :P
2015-10-10T22:08:33 < jpa-> "read contributing.md carefully" link broken
2015-10-10T22:08:49 < DrLuke> there you go, removed the license
2015-10-10T22:08:58 < DrLuke> jpa-: Yeah, it's still work in progress
2015-10-10T22:10:21 < upgrdman> oh norway   http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/norwegians-object-giant-penis-squirting-them-confetti-psa-stunt-165681
2015-10-10T22:10:55 < Steffanx> thanks for the wonderful link upgrdman
2015-10-10T22:11:01 < upgrdman> :)
2015-10-10T22:11:27 < upgrdman> which link, the penis confetti one?
2015-10-10T22:11:33 < Steffanx> of course
2015-10-10T22:12:11 < karlp> upgrdman: that was linked here weeks ago iirc
2015-10-10T22:12:31 < upgrdman> o ok
2015-10-10T22:12:51 < karlp> yah man get wit da program
2015-10-10T22:12:52 < upgrdman> i guess im not up to speed on all of the penis confetti happenings
2015-10-10T22:15:20 < Steffanx> your list isnt up to date btw DrLuke
2015-10-10T22:15:21 < Steffanx> no l4
2015-10-10T22:15:31 < DrLuke> Steffanx: Feel free to add it
2015-10-10T22:15:35 < Steffanx> or f7
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2015-10-10T22:16:00 < Steffanx> sorry, dont feel llike doing that
2015-10-10T22:17:02 < DrLuke> neither do I
2015-10-10T22:17:38 < Steffanx> ok, not going to share the conversion tools either?
2015-10-10T22:18:05 < DrLuke> I can share it in a seperate repo, I didn't feel like it belonged into that one
2015-10-10T22:18:09 < DrLuke> or as a gist
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2015-10-10T22:34:34 < Laurenceb_> in most small to medium applications IC costs are irrelevant compared to dev and operating costs
2015-10-10T22:34:46 < Laurenceb_> e.g we charge UKP 6k for our dataloggers
2015-10-10T22:34:55 < Laurenceb_> they cost <20
2015-10-10T22:35:06 < Sync> ^
2015-10-10T22:35:50 < Laurenceb_> but we sell < 10k of them and have a load of staff and back end data collection etc to run
2015-10-10T22:36:15 < Laurenceb_> we recently got an IBM power system.. dunno if that was sane
2015-10-10T22:37:06 < englishman> i know a company in pembrokeshirt dock that will have some dells for sale soon
2015-10-10T22:37:14 < Laurenceb_> haha
2015-10-10T22:37:29 < Steffanx> don't forget you have to pay the recall out of the 6k too Laurenceb_ :{P
2015-10-10T22:37:30 < Laurenceb_> luckily I'm not responsible for the back end any more
2015-10-10T22:37:33 < Laurenceb_> haha
2015-10-10T22:37:41 < Sync> wtf, ibm power in 2015
2015-10-10T22:37:52 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-10-10T22:38:17 < Laurenceb_> well we have a new hotshot hire who thinks we need ibm power with some funky database stuff
2015-10-10T22:38:26 < Laurenceb_> then all my matlab code rewritten in R
2015-10-10T22:39:09 < Laurenceb_> and finally an eye candy javascript web interface
2015-10-10T22:39:16 < Laurenceb_> dunno if this will ever get written...
2015-10-10T22:40:06 < Laurenceb_> my current system puts together weekly pdf reports and emails them to customers using some nasty bash scripts :D
2015-10-10T22:42:13 < upgrdman> tempted to buy a new NAS. any consumer ones that are particularly good OR bad?
2015-10-10T22:42:30 < upgrdman> kinda want ethernet AND usb3
2015-10-10T22:42:31 < ReadError> synology have nice softwares
2015-10-10T22:42:35 < Laurenceb_> but imo vehicle fleet management doesnt need anything fancy
2015-10-10T22:45:07 < Sync> oh Laurenceb_, it does
2015-10-10T22:45:16 < Sync> we also do fleetmanagement with tetra
2015-10-10T22:45:26 < Sync> and most of our sales are due to the swaggy UI
2015-10-10T22:45:36 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2015-10-10T22:45:48 < Laurenceb_> tetra sounds much more pro
2015-10-10T22:45:59 < upgrdman> why cant all new reports be like this  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e8_1444455082
2015-10-10T22:46:34 < Laurenceb_> fake surely
2015-10-10T22:46:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah its fake
2015-10-10T22:47:25 < upgrdman> it is
2015-10-10T22:47:28 < upgrdman> but nice
2015-10-10T22:49:04 < aandrew> upgrdman: that's awesome, too bad it's not real
2015-10-10T22:49:19 < kakimir> fake but not gay
2015-10-10T22:49:42  * upgrdman nods
2015-10-10T22:50:55 < aandrew> that's just because we get news from distribution channels rather than going to the source directly
2015-10-10T22:51:47 < ReadError> R2COM yea cuz the russians tell everyone the truth on their news
2015-10-10T22:51:49 < ReadError> right?
2015-10-10T22:54:24 < kakimir> terrorist stock?
2015-10-10T22:58:50 < kakimir> what was that "humiliation of US forces in Syria" that I heard mentioned somewhere?
2015-10-10T23:01:19 < kakimir> cool tricks
2015-10-10T23:01:31 < kakimir> black projects
2015-10-10T23:02:44 < kakimir> do you speak fluent english R2COM?
2015-10-10T23:02:54 < kakimir> and fluent russian of course?
2015-10-10T23:03:37 < Steffanx> RA2 style or FPSRussia?
2015-10-10T23:04:03 < Steffanx> stereotype russian accent <3
2015-10-10T23:04:28 < englishman> dont ask him for pictures of his wardrobe
2015-10-10T23:04:37 < englishman> adidas track outfits as far as the eye can see
2015-10-10T23:05:40 < englishman> when was the last time you smoked jin ling
2015-10-10T23:06:20 < kakimir> you do squatting on front yard with brahs?
2015-10-10T23:07:04 < kakimir> http://molempire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Slavs_Squatting_Squat_Proper_Gear.jpg
2015-10-10T23:07:37 < Steffanx> lol that looks like a dutch license plate kakimir
2015-10-10T23:08:15 < kakimir> they are doing russian larp
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2015-10-10T23:14:29 < kakimir> any tips using openocd first time get it going?
2015-10-10T23:14:46 < kakimir> lets se docs
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2015-10-10T23:23:31 < Lux> englishman: heh, so much bs ^^
2015-10-10T23:24:00 < Lux> the only good thing about avrs is the documentation imo
2015-10-10T23:24:22 < englishman> yeah and the ide
2015-10-10T23:29:50 < Lux> yep, that's nice too
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2015-10-10T23:37:38 < DrLuke> Lux: I started with studio 4 aswell
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2015-10-11T01:57:48 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRENJZjRDM3hVZU0/view?usp=sharing you can get even sot23 wrong
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2015-10-11T02:02:42 < aandrew> bleh altium's vault is largely useless
2015-10-11T02:02:48 < aandrew> they have all kinds of common components sure
2015-10-11T02:02:57 < aandrew> but damn near every single non-generic I've tried to find is not there
2015-10-11T02:03:06 < aandrew> wtf is the point of paying them for that shit
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2015-10-11T02:16:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGo-iZWRXOE luciana
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2015-10-11T02:25:51 < kakimir> as not native english speaking it's fun to first listen the song and then check the lyrics to find it dirtier you ever imagined
2015-10-11T02:27:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM3VWRGtyYmtkWWM/view?usp=sharing third party disruption
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2015-10-11T04:09:44 < aandrew> kakimir: how'd you fuck up a sot23
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2015-10-11T04:32:06 < ReadError> kakimir lol what did you imagine? the main lyric is 'baby  im so wet for you'
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2015-10-11T04:33:34 < zyp> aandrew, I once got a board from the assembly house with a sot23 lying upside down
2015-10-11T04:34:09 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uBicx.JPG
2015-10-11T04:35:02 < ReadError> pretty silk
2015-10-11T04:35:13 < zyp> yeah, it's from dongsfab
2015-10-11T04:35:13 < ReadError> U&I / quickturnpcb korea?
2015-10-11T04:35:17 < ReadError> o
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2015-10-11T04:36:37 < aadamson> quick just little tiny, tiny wires and it will work just fine (course unless the current it more than the little tiny tiny wires can handle :)
2015-10-11T04:36:57 < ReadError> https://mobile.twitter.com/richard_a_sim/media/grid?idx=1&tid=624590614143762433
2015-10-11T04:37:06 < ReadError> seems pretty similar
2015-10-11T04:38:59 < aandrew> zyp: how the fuck did they get that to stick?
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2015-10-11T04:39:19 < zyp> aandrew, flux residue, I guess
2015-10-11T04:39:24 < aandrew> indeed
2015-10-11T04:39:29 < aandrew> that's actually kind of funny
2015-10-11T04:39:37 < zyp> it came off easily with tweezers
2015-10-11T04:39:46 < aadamson> *help me I've fallen and I can't get up*!
2015-10-11T04:40:52 < ReadError> i cant find much more info on the fab ;/
2015-10-11T04:41:06 < ReadError> gonna finish the last board then place an order I guess
2015-10-11T04:41:15 < zyp> ReadError, well, this stuff is also from korea, so it might be the same boardhouse
2015-10-11T04:41:36 < aandrew> hm might have to give them a try next time 'round
2015-10-11T04:41:43 < zyp> idk, I don't deal with the boardhouse directly
2015-10-11T04:41:48 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/ey8gm
2015-10-11T04:41:56 < ReadError> thats the only other sample pics ive found
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2015-10-11T04:43:59 < zyp> but, uh, https://mobile.twitter.com/richard_a_sim/status/624590614143762433/photo/3 <- silk looks good, but cu looks like shit here
2015-10-11T04:44:19 < aandrew> looks like shit exactly how?
2015-10-11T04:44:24 < aandrew> looks fine to me
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2015-10-11T04:46:13 < upgrdman> what. the. fuck.  https://gfycat.com/PointedInbornBarnowl
2015-10-11T04:46:16 < zyp> the corners are pretty unsharp
2015-10-11T04:46:40 < aandrew> that could be by design, look at the sharp angles of the tracks, they look fine
2015-10-11T04:48:36 < zyp> idk, might be that it's just smaller scale that I'm used to
2015-10-11T04:50:16 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E08pl.JPG <- this looks way sharper
2015-10-11T04:50:34 < zyp> but then again, this is 0603, that other one looks like 0402
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2015-10-11T04:50:58 < aandrew> indeed it's hard to tell for sure
2015-10-11T04:51:04 < aandrew> but it certainly doesn't look bad
2015-10-11T04:51:06 < zyp> maybe different layer thickness as well
2015-10-11T04:51:45 < zyp> idk, that qfn footprint looks pretty horrible actually
2015-10-11T04:55:33 < ReadMobl> They can do 4/4 and .2mm holes so that's a good sign
2015-10-11T04:55:49 < ReadMobl> Er .2mm
2015-10-11T04:58:51 < aandrew> yeah
2015-10-11T04:58:53 < aandrew> looks decent
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2015-10-11T05:13:18 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/tWmV8r0.gifv
2015-10-11T05:15:28 < aandrew> wtf asia
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2015-10-11T05:51:44 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-11T05:51:54 < dongs> rofl
2015-10-11T05:52:07 < dongs> well he tried to stop
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2015-10-11T06:12:21 < upgrdman> dongs, another nice one, this time in russia  http://i.imgur.com/Ya1hx5u.gifv
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2015-10-11T06:12:48 < englishman> lol
2015-10-11T06:13:39 < dongs> nice to have it multiview
2015-10-11T06:13:45 < dongs> what was taht dumbfuck tdoing, skating?
2015-10-11T06:13:57 < dongs> hm yea that
2015-10-11T06:14:31 < dongs> wait is that same person?
2015-10-11T06:14:38 < dongs> the 2nd angle looks like hes running towards
2015-10-11T06:14:59 < dongs> yea 2nd angle is not same hit
2015-10-11T06:15:35 < englishman> no i think tahts blocks from shitty compress
2015-10-11T06:16:03 < dongs> Thanks. But have been flying successfully so have had it inserted properly. It died after 60 mins max of flying/bunnyhoping. Good news is it worked after calibrating a bit...controls good too...but signal then cuts. A bumpy landing on grass and now its died. Just a flash of the landing lights with a fully charged battery.
2015-10-11T06:16:08 < dongs> All points to some CB prob. Had the common prob everyone seems to have with angled in rotors but forcing them outward allowed clearance. Loose engine mountings? Worried now as I'm a pre-order and think I'll be stuck with duff product. When it worked it was great. Either way I hope I can get it replaced or repaired. Cam quality is good too btw
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2015-10-11T06:24:37 < upgrdman> LOL  http://imgur.com/3iPUs3g
2015-10-11T06:24:55 < dongs> is that that youtube retard
2015-10-11T06:24:57 < dongs> whats his naem
2015-10-11T06:24:59 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-11T06:25:01 < dongs> that shocks himself and swears
2015-10-11T06:25:02 < upgrdman> mehdi
2015-10-11T06:25:08 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-11T06:32:03 < upgrdman> dongs, another  http://imgur.com/eivIfKH
2015-10-11T06:32:27 < dongs> that hat went a long way
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2015-10-11T06:40:52 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/17/apple_store_class_action/ lol old but lol'd
2015-10-11T06:43:24 < ReadError> dongs heard anything good/bad about U&I/quickturn?
2015-10-11T06:43:34 < dongs> first time i heard about it
2015-10-11T06:43:53 < dongs> when you tweeted i clicked, tried to enter 5x5 board, then it spit some error at me and gave up after that
2015-10-11T06:44:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/K0kCmYf.jpg
2015-10-11T06:47:18 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/JXFXY6A.png
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2015-10-11T06:48:10 < dongs> go for it, lemme know wat it looks like
2015-10-11T06:48:19 < dongs> also, 300 boards, you fucking cloner
2015-10-11T06:48:30 < ReadError> nah i was just putting in random #
2015-10-11T06:48:36 < dongs> right
2015-10-11T06:48:40 < ReadError> I want to order like 20 or so of 3 diff design
2015-10-11T06:48:42 < dongs> random hobbyist number = 3
2015-10-11T06:48:43 < dongs> not 300
2015-10-11T06:49:16 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/uPhKFMv.png
2015-10-11T06:49:34 < ReadError> 40 boards came out to like 4$ a pop w/ ENIG
2015-10-11T06:49:40 < ReadError> which is better than osh
2015-10-11T06:51:26 < ReadError> im out of pdb so maybe ill see how their 4oz is
2015-10-11T06:51:37 < dongs> [Error-pri02]Failed to get the product information. Please try again.
2015-10-11T06:51:40 < dongs> tghius was the error i got last time
2015-10-11T06:51:41 < dongs> trying again
2015-10-11T06:52:48 < ReadError> noticed you gotta put in random shit for the Part no. and rev
2015-10-11T06:53:23 < ReadError> http://quickturnpcb.co.kr/workingpanelsizes.php
2015-10-11T06:53:48 < ReadError> guess if you can make stuff fit within those its cheaper
2015-10-11T07:01:26 < upgrdman> still on a quest for a super nice cable for SWD debugging. tempted get get one of these, cut off the ends, and crimp on some connectors for the stlink and target.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008DVMRXG?keywords=coiled%20usb&qid=1444535369&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
2015-10-11T07:02:29 < dongs> err
2015-10-11T07:02:31 < upgrdman> i just want something with 4+ conductors, that moves very freely, and can be crimped to
2015-10-11T07:02:37 < dongs> why do you need it so long
2015-10-11T07:02:42 < upgrdman> like an FFC but crimpable
2015-10-11T07:02:43 < dongs> whats wrong wiht olimex arm 1020
2015-10-11T07:02:54 < upgrdman> dongs, dont need the length, just want the flexyness
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2015-10-11T07:03:28 < upgrdman> dongs, googled that, sure its the right number?
2015-10-11T07:03:43 < dongs> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2015-10-11T07:04:21 < upgrdman> that doesnt look so flexible. i want something that "drapes" not some stiffy you gonna position
2015-10-11T07:04:28 < upgrdman> i know, im being a picky faggot
2015-10-11T07:04:42 < dongs> faggot is right. its flexible enough
2015-10-11T07:04:52 < dongs> i think that coiling on the usb shit is gonna be way less bendy than you think
2015-10-11T07:04:58 < dongs> and will pull your board towards whatever
2015-10-11T07:05:15 < upgrdman> good point. will have to finger one in person
2015-10-11T07:06:12 < ReadError> hmm they have a special, 4x 150x150mm 4L for $100
2015-10-11T07:06:25 < ReadError> The space at array by tab routing
2015-10-11T07:06:25 < ReadError>       0.080"(Min. 0.059")
2015-10-11T07:06:25 < ReadError> Routing, individual, Tab, V-cut, Slots,
2015-10-11T07:06:25 < ReadError> Internal routing, UL mark, week code
2015-10-11T07:06:44 < ReadError> they offer that but dont let you put in the step-repeat
2015-10-11T07:07:15 < ReadError> wondering if i could just throw the boards into that space and use the 2 vcuts on the edges and route out between and use tabs
2015-10-11T07:12:23 < dongs> you could stop stoning around and email and/or just order?
2015-10-11T07:13:00 < ReadError> ya i need to finish this one first they are probably on the weekend
2015-10-11T07:13:18 < englishman> the olimex cable is pretty short tho
2015-10-11T07:14:12 < upgrdman> what's the point of flat usb cables like these? more flexible?  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CTM5L0Q?keywords=flat%20usb&qid=1444536774&ref_=sr_1_5&sr=8-5
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2015-10-11T07:41:36 < aandrew> dongs: I've built more boards like that than I care to admit
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2015-10-11T07:41:58 < dongs> aandrew: which ones, boards while stoned?
2015-10-11T07:42:09 < dongs> o jtag adapters
2015-10-11T07:42:18 < dongs> yeah i made my own too years ago and paneled it wiht some other customers order
2015-10-11T07:42:22 < dongs> i still have some blanks left
2015-10-11T07:42:52 < aandrew> dongs: stupid ass fucking 50mil pitch swd connectors
2015-10-11T07:42:59 < dongs> rite
2015-10-11T07:43:31 < aandrew> I have one of those "every fucking jtag connector in existence to standard 20pin JTAG" boards but it doesn't include the swd one
2015-10-11T07:44:25 < dongs> i just standartized all my shit on the cortex debug connector so i dont need any other ones
2015-10-11T07:45:16 < aandrew> yeah I'm doing that with my own shit
2015-10-11T07:48:54 < aandrew> wtf, why is there no "find" in windows 7 exploder
2015-10-11T07:49:05 < aandrew> I swear I used to just be able to ^F and search for a doc
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2015-10-11T07:50:56 < jubatus> that's the result of Microsoft's "windows explorer = internet explorer" policy
2015-10-11T07:51:29 < jubatus> you can still search. its just a new interface.
2015-10-11T07:51:37 < upgrdman> nice  http://www.likecool.com/Gear/Apple/Giant%20Isopod%20iPhone%20Case%20the%20creppiest%20iPhone%20case/Giant-Isopod-iPhone-Case-the-creppiest-iPhone-case.jpg
2015-10-11T07:51:51 < jubatus> what does 'creppy' mean ?
2015-10-11T07:54:00 < jubatus> it is a portmanteau of creepy and crappy ?
2015-10-11T07:55:57 < upgrdman> creppy is japanese for creepy
2015-10-11T07:57:17 < upgrdman> smart guy  http://i.imgur.com/2ZyFg9t.gifv
2015-10-11T07:57:45 < aandrew> it worked, didn't it?
2015-10-11T07:58:17 < jubatus> http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/
2015-10-11T07:58:28 < jubatus> ^ does anyone know what they are using as a backplane ?
2015-10-11T07:58:44 < jubatus> or is there some off-the-shelf motherboard that allows you to plug in 5 GPU cards into it ?
2015-10-11T08:09:10 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/tcbmj.jpg
2015-10-11T08:09:15 < ReadError> this ever happen to yall?
2015-10-11T08:09:22 < ReadError> it goes full retard
2015-10-11T08:13:26 < aandrew> heh
2015-10-11T08:13:34 < aandrew> no, I often get dxp.exe crashing when routing though
2015-10-11T08:13:40 < aandrew> it never has lost my work, mind
2015-10-11T08:13:51 < ReadError> yea im always able to save
2015-10-11T08:14:03 < ReadError> it just keeps spawning that stuff and throwing exceptions
2015-10-11T08:14:49 < ReadError> it only happens if i move a trace really odd, think something with the DRC freaks out
2015-10-11T08:16:53 < aandrew> that's usually when it happens with me, when push  'n shove gets its panties in a knot
2015-10-11T08:20:03 < ReadError> wonder if its a symptom of the medicine
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2015-10-11T08:33:14 < jadew> http://www.amazon.com/review/R2QP56S5P2DEGA
2015-10-11T08:41:12 < dongs> upgrdman: mega old
2015-10-11T08:41:21 < jadew> can I see it?
2015-10-11T08:41:45 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-11T08:41:55 < dongs> http://doger.io/
2015-10-11T08:43:36 < upgrdman> dat comic sans
2015-10-11T08:44:37 < jadew> so what exactly is a container?
2015-10-11T08:44:44 < dongs> duno some lunix trash
2015-10-11T08:44:52 < dongs> they should probably focus on making shit people can actaully use
2015-10-11T08:44:57 < dongs> like a working web browser
2015-10-11T08:44:58 < dongs> and working GUI
2015-10-11T08:45:06 < dongs> instead of 20 competing desktop environments that all suck dick
2015-10-11T08:45:15 < jadew> +1
2015-10-11T08:45:30 < jadew> but still, what are containers?
2015-10-11T08:45:52 < dongs> LinuX Containers (LXC) is an operating system-level virtualization method for running multiple isolated Linux systems (containers) on a single control host (LXC host). It does not provide a virtual machine, but rather provides a virtual environment that has its own CPU, memory, block I/O, network, etc. space.Jul 25, 2015
2015-10-11T08:45:57 < dongs> according to kikepedia
2015-10-11T08:46:03 < dongs> apparently wordplay on docker
2015-10-11T08:46:15 < dongs> https://www.docker.com/whatisdocker
2015-10-11T08:46:50 < dongs> Shitware as-a Service
2015-10-11T08:47:10 < jadew> how is that different from a VM?
2015-10-11T08:47:12 < jadew> I don't get it
2015-10-11T08:47:14 < dongs> no idea
2015-10-11T08:47:29 < dongs> VM is too hard
2015-10-11T08:47:31 < dongs> and not cloudy enough
2015-10-11T08:47:42 < PaulFertser> jadew: VM wastes more resources.
2015-10-11T08:47:43 < upgrdman> its kinda a mix of a VM and a shell script
2015-10-11T08:47:45 < upgrdman> for example
2015-10-11T08:47:52 < upgrdman> if you want a web server
2015-10-11T08:47:56 < jadew> PaulFertser, why? what's the difference?
2015-10-11T08:48:12 < upgrdman> you could automate the installation of apache, php, mysql, etc.
2015-10-11T08:48:15 < upgrdman> with a shell script
2015-10-11T08:48:49 < upgrdman> well docker is like a shell script that runs in a chroot (iirc)
2015-10-11T08:48:50 < dongs> R2COM: lol
2015-10-11T08:48:55 < dongs> R2COM: seen that before, not recently tho!
2015-10-11T08:48:57 < upgrdman> so it runs on native hardware (fast)
2015-10-11T08:48:59 < dongs> stop pirating that shit
2015-10-11T08:49:04 < upgrdman> but its compartmentalized
2015-10-11T08:49:17 < upgrdman> and easily thrown away, regenerated, etc.
2015-10-11T08:49:41 < PaulFertser> jadew: vm is about running a full kernel, containers are like process-level separation only way more secure on more levels.
2015-10-11T08:50:15 < dongs> R2COM: if you let those dialog boxes settle, dont use the mouse, and use keyboard to alt-f-s then ctrl-f4 the tab, it should be ok
2015-10-11T08:50:33 < jadew> PaulFertser, I see, so it's basically setting the parameters of a process?
2015-10-11T08:50:56 < jadew> from what upgrdman says, you can have multiple system's
2015-10-11T08:51:01 < jadew> so which is it?
2015-10-11T08:51:41 < PaulFertser> jadew: from a process point of view it'll feel like running on a different kernel when in fact they're all still sharing the same kernel.
2015-10-11T08:53:02 < jadew> I see, it's like chroot then
2015-10-11T08:53:33 < jadew> but dongs paste says you get to also specify CPU, memory, etc
2015-10-11T08:53:53 < jadew> I take it that's handled by the kernel?
2015-10-11T08:55:32 < PaulFertser> jadew: yes, like a chroot but covers more resources and does that in a security-concious way (unlike original chroot).
2015-10-11T08:55:45 < jadew> got it
2015-10-11T08:56:01 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/LYBA4vI.jpg
2015-10-11T08:56:03 < jadew> I'll have to read a bit more on it, sounds potentially useful
2015-10-11T08:56:16 < jadew> lol PeterM
2015-10-11T09:00:23 < aandrew> I use something similar, linux vserver
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2015-10-11T09:27:58 < dongs> i use vmware workstation PRO on windows
2015-10-11T09:28:00 < dongs> cuz i'm a pro
2015-10-11T09:29:21 < dongs> no, its free as in aids
2015-10-11T09:29:43 < dongs> tehr was a sale, i think regular is 149 or so?
2015-10-11T09:33:46 < dongs> ReadError: what happened to that cvbs->mipi thing you did
2015-10-11T09:33:48 < dongs> did that go anywhere
2015-10-11T09:33:53 < dongs> or it was some cvbs->something
2015-10-11T09:34:16 < ReadError> well i got a shitty homefab board done
2015-10-11T09:34:22 < ReadError> then was missing FPC
2015-10-11T09:34:39 < ReadError> then RPi2 came out so I was like fucking, that makes more sense than hummingboard
2015-10-11T09:34:48 < ReadError> got rpi2, hadnt done shit since
2015-10-11T09:34:49 < dongs> i forgot what you were doing anyway
2015-10-11T09:34:59 < dongs> analog shit into rpi camera right?
2015-10-11T09:35:00 < ReadError> requires kernel shit to be compiled etc
2015-10-11T09:35:02 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-11T09:35:57 < dongs> R2COM: why wouldnt it work?
2015-10-11T09:36:25 < dongs> huh no
2015-10-11T09:36:29 < dongs> it just runs
2015-10-11T09:36:48 < ReadError> you can maybe enable VTd or some shit
2015-10-11T09:36:52 < dongs> yeah that
2015-10-11T09:36:59 < dongs> but i enable that on like first hardware install anytway.
2015-10-11T09:37:14 < ReadError> virtualization extension stuff
2015-10-11T09:37:14 < dongs> i think you only need vt-d if you wanna run 64bit guest
2015-10-11T09:37:24 < dongs> if you run 32butt stuff it doesnt amtter
2015-10-11T09:37:50 < dongs> ya
2015-10-11T09:37:59 < dongs> http://www.minikomputer.com/index.php/2015/05/22/lemon-pi/
2015-10-11T09:38:00 < dongs> heh wat
2015-10-11T09:38:16 < dongs> did they ship anything
2015-10-11T09:38:22 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lemonpi-35-single-board-computer-android5-0-linux#/updates
2015-10-11T09:39:03 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lemonpi-35-single-board-computer-android5-0-linux#/updates
2015-10-11T09:39:09 < dongs> thats the only link you ne ed
2015-10-11T09:40:01 < dongs> SoC . Actions Semi S500 quad core Cortex A9r4 processor with 512KB L2 Cache and a PowerVR SGX544 GPU with OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0, OpenVG 1.0.1, and OpenCL support
2015-10-11T09:40:05 < dongs> actions semi heh
2015-10-11T09:40:05 < dongs> sounds legit
2015-10-11T09:40:41 < dongs> k time to go bike bbl
2015-10-11T09:44:05 < Roklobsta> wow dongs gets off the computer!
2015-10-11T09:48:13 < PaulFertser> btw, talking about containers, OpenWrt is getting "ujails" support which really boosts security for all equipment it can run on, starting from the cheapest SOHO devices.
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2015-10-11T09:59:24 < jubatus> when will you return to ##electronics, flyback ?
2015-10-11T10:00:40 < aandrew> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/104323/shorted-antenna-dc-blocking-capacitor-value
2015-10-11T10:00:50 < aandrew> sharing some knowledge with you guys
2015-10-11T10:02:30 < jubatus> lol math. what a waste of time. just pick the biggest C0G capacitor you have lying around. it will be the right value.
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2015-10-11T10:06:17 < aandrew> lol
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2015-10-11T10:07:55 < PeterM> jubatus, wot r u made of money?
2015-10-11T10:08:44 < jubatus> PeterM: no, but I have a lot of junk lying around :p
2015-10-11T10:09:06 < jubatus> a blocking capacitor is something I will scrounge up not buy
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2015-10-11T10:11:13 < aandrew> any old blocking cap will likely simply not work at 1.5GHz. We're not talking about DC blocking for a microphone bias
2015-10-11T10:11:27 < aandrew> I agree with you that for a full 95% of it, rules of thumb will work perfectly fine
2015-10-11T10:11:36 < jubatus> tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/10/2212233/there-is-no-bro-in-brotli-googlemozilla-engineers-nix-file-type-as-offensive
2015-10-11T10:11:37 < aandrew> that's how I design most of my stuff
2015-10-11T10:12:02 < PeterM> aandrew, same
2015-10-11T10:12:08 < aandrew> but when you're trying to get every uV out of an antenna, shit matters
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2015-10-11T10:12:43 < PeterM> i wonder if you can drop your 0402 down to like 0201 put two in parallel for the capacitance and lwoer inductance
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2015-10-11T10:12:52 < PeterM> and then get yelled at
2015-10-11T10:12:54 < aandrew> I'm positive that that will help
2015-10-11T10:12:57 < PeterM> for using 0201
2015-10-11T10:12:57 < aandrew> hhe
2015-10-11T10:13:13 < aandrew> yeah my office is in a circuit board assembly house
2015-10-11T10:13:24 < aandrew> they'll do 0201 and even 01005 but they will hate you
2015-10-11T10:14:16 < aandrew> lol bro is mysoginistic? wtf
2015-10-11T10:15:20 < PeterM> next they'll say "hello" is mysoginistic...
2015-10-11T10:15:33 < upgrdman> why would they get mad? it's not like they are dick and placing by hand?
2015-10-11T10:15:59 < PeterM> upgrdman, you need betetr machines with better tolerances, mroe rejects etc
2015-10-11T10:16:16 < upgrdman> but if they can do it, they already have the machines right?
2015-10-11T10:16:26 < upgrdman> i guess reject rate would be annoying tho
2015-10-11T10:16:27 < PeterM> but they charge mroe for the better mahcines
2015-10-11T10:16:56 < PeterM> and they have less of the beter machines
2015-10-11T10:17:01 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-11T10:17:17 < aandrew> upgrdman: the smaller parts are more difficult to machine place as well, forces the machine maintenance to be much tighter
2015-10-11T10:17:20 < PeterM> i can smash 0403 and 0603s through chip shooters but cant do that with 0201
2015-10-11T10:17:31 < aandrew> so yeah they dn't exactly hate you, they just up your price
2015-10-11T10:18:41 < upgrdman> awesome. got a usb3 4tb hdd. shit's fast, averaging like 120-150MBps
2015-10-11T10:19:36 < PeterM> doesn't sound that great, sounds like gige
2015-10-11T10:21:06 < upgrdman> for a 2.5" hdd, not too bad
2015-10-11T10:21:13 < upgrdman> this isnt like 15k rpm server drive
2015-10-11T10:21:31 < PeterM> true
2015-10-11T10:21:35 < PeterM> wait...
2015-10-11T10:21:43 < PeterM> 4tb in 2.5"?
2015-10-11T10:21:51 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-11T10:21:55 < upgrdman> or looks like it
2015-10-11T10:21:58 < upgrdman> smaller than 3.5"
2015-10-11T10:22:05 < PeterM> maybe 2x 2.5
2015-10-11T10:22:15 < upgrdman> mmm oh ya prolly. it's kinda thick
2015-10-11T10:22:43 < jubatus> what's a 'chip shooter' and how do you pick-and-place 0201 parts ?
2015-10-11T10:22:50 < upgrdman> anyway, way faster than the shit WD MyBook Live NAS i had. struggled with 50-60MBps
2015-10-11T10:22:55 < PeterM> is it a seagate backup  plus thingo?
2015-10-11T10:23:11 < upgrdman> seagate something
2015-10-11T10:23:12 < PeterM> jubatus, a "chipshooter" is for rapid placement of passives
2015-10-11T10:23:14 < upgrdman> lemme find link
2015-10-11T10:23:34 < PeterM> for low precision, high number parts
2015-10-11T10:23:55 < PeterM> like, 15 components per second+
2015-10-11T10:24:23 < upgrdman> PeterM, http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Storage-STDA4000100/dp/B00HXAV0X6
2015-10-11T10:24:38 < PeterM> so you run your board through a chipshooter doign all your rs and cs, then run it through a normal pnp for your actives
2015-10-11T10:25:18 < PeterM> upgrdman, nice, thats pretty cheap
2015-10-11T10:25:33 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-11T10:26:02 < upgrdman> i wanted a NAS with USB. then i realized my router has a usb3 port and a usb2 port for NAS-ifiying a hard drive or thumb drive.
2015-10-11T10:26:30 < upgrdman> so i can use it as a NAS at home, and take it with me when i have to fuck off overseas
2015-10-11T10:26:58 < PeterM> is the 120-150MB/s cidirect or plugged into the router?
2015-10-11T10:27:22 < PeterM> because usually i find those router usb ports slow AF
2015-10-11T10:27:31 < upgrdman> ya, direct.
2015-10-11T10:27:37 < upgrdman> with peaks >200MBps
2015-10-11T10:27:57 < upgrdman> will let you know what i get when plugged into the router.
2015-10-11T10:28:09 < upgrdman> still copying my shit to it. will post update in a day or two
2015-10-11T10:29:22 < upgrdman> wut. these seagate usb hdds have samsung hdds in them.
2015-10-11T10:29:29 < upgrdman> see photos in first amazon review
2015-10-11T10:29:29 < upgrdman> lol
2015-10-11T10:29:33 < PeterM> KEK
2015-10-11T10:35:27 < Fleck> upgrdman: do you even amazon, bro? :D
2015-10-11T10:35:39 < upgrdman> ?
2015-10-11T10:35:46 < upgrdman> i linked to it
2015-10-11T10:36:01 < Fleck> :p
2015-10-11T10:38:15 < upgrdman> now i need to find a usb3 hdd dock for making offline backups to my old 3.5" HDDs
2015-10-11T10:39:04 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/XkDoz.jpg
2015-10-11T10:39:11 < ReadError> just went full blown eagle
2015-10-11T10:39:19 < ReadError> and wasted 1.5hr downloading useless 3d crap
2015-10-11T10:41:39 < upgrdman> weird 0.1" headers?
2015-10-11T10:41:50 < upgrdman> oh castelated
2015-10-11T10:42:03 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-11T10:42:07 < ReadError> and header holes
2015-10-11T10:47:47 < dongs> < upgrdman> anyway, way faster than the shit WD MyBook Live NAS i had. struggled with 50-60MBps
2015-10-11T10:47:50 < dongs> lol
2015-10-11T10:47:52 < dongs> lunix based nas
2015-10-11T10:47:52 < dongs> with gigabit ports
2015-10-11T10:47:56 < dongs> that barely do 20meg/sec
2015-10-11T10:47:58 < dongs> fucking trash
2015-10-11T10:48:01 < dongs> this is w hy lunix is garbage
2015-10-11T10:48:20 < dongs> unless a "NAS" is saturating  gigabit, its a waste of space/electricity
2015-10-11T10:49:02 < upgrdman> i think the hdd inside was the bottleneck
2015-10-11T10:49:13 < upgrdman> i removed it and plugged it direct to pc
2015-10-11T10:49:25 < upgrdman> same speed as when in nas
2015-10-11T10:49:38 < dongs> shrug
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2015-10-11T11:03:58 < upgrdman> wow, neat  http://i.imgur.com/1vHfBqc.gifv
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2015-10-11T11:09:00 < dongs> also, fuck seagate anything
2015-10-11T11:12:25 < upgrdman> ?
2015-10-11T11:12:36 < upgrdman> they dont take paypal so youmad?
2015-10-11T11:12:37 < dongs> duno that amazon shit you or someone linked
2015-10-11T11:12:43 < upgrdman> ya me
2015-10-11T11:12:57 < dongs> also the price is trash too
2015-10-11T11:13:06 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Desktop-External-HDWC250XK3J1/dp/B00J5EZNO0
2015-10-11T11:13:08 < dongs> $139 bro
2015-10-11T11:13:10 < dongs> er $130
2015-10-11T11:13:20 < dongs> more tb, less fail
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2015-10-11T11:16:44 < upgrdman> fuck that
2015-10-11T11:16:47 < upgrdman> its huge
2015-10-11T11:16:52 < upgrdman> i want portable, you faggot
2015-10-11T11:16:55 < dongs> wut
2015-10-11T11:17:20 < dongs> what is that shitgate thing then?
2015-10-11T11:17:22 < dongs> laptop hdd?
2015-10-11T11:17:34 < dongs> its still not usb powered so its size is irrelevant
2015-10-11T11:17:36 < upgrdman> its dual 2.5" stacked
2015-10-11T11:17:43 < upgrdman> it IS usb powered
2015-10-11T11:17:44 < dongs> its still got a brick
2015-10-11T11:17:52 < dongs> no fucking way
2015-10-11T11:17:54 < upgrdman> no it doesnt you dumbfuck
2015-10-11T11:17:57 < upgrdman> look again
2015-10-11T11:18:06 < dongs> dude, 2 2.5" drives draw >>>> 1A
2015-10-11T11:18:23 < upgrdman> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31jJg5tduxL.jpg
2015-10-11T11:18:34 < dongs> i got some fucking 500gig WD shitdrive and its like 900mA on runtime and > 1A inrish
2015-10-11T11:18:38 < dongs> inrush
2015-10-11T11:18:47 < upgrdman> works fine.
2015-10-11T11:18:51 < dongs> good luck
2015-10-11T11:19:40 < jubatus> does it come with a Y USB cable ?
2015-10-11T11:20:31 < jubatus> I have one of those abominations. It fails to start up 80% of the time.
2015-10-11T11:20:49 < upgrdman> it has a short non-y, and a long y cable
2015-10-11T11:20:50 < jubatus> (with a normal USB cable)
2015-10-11T11:21:02 < dongs> yeah no way dude, 2 laptop spinning rust drives usb-only poweerd, good luck
2015-10-11T11:21:04 < dongs> do you have a surface bro 3?
2015-10-11T11:21:06 < dongs> it will NOT work in that
2015-10-11T11:21:16 < dongs> its shitty usb port can barely deliver 500mA
2015-10-11T11:21:17 < dongs> before shitting
2015-10-11T11:22:52 < jubatus> they're not supposed to deliver any more than that. (if you think about it, a PC should have no trouble delivering 10's of amps at 5V)
2015-10-11T11:23:00 < dongs> rite
2015-10-11T11:23:30 < upgrdman> dongs, it works. and look at the thousands of reviews.
2015-10-11T11:23:38 < dongs> upgrdman: in surface bro 3?
2015-10-11T11:23:39 < upgrdman> dunno what it draws, but it works
2015-10-11T11:23:45 < upgrdman> no in fagbook pro
2015-10-11T11:23:53 < dongs> lol
2015-10-11T11:23:55 < upgrdman> and anus router
2015-10-11T11:24:54 < dongs> anus router wat
2015-10-11T11:25:44 < dongs> http://www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/hdd-fam/fast-hdd/en-us/amer/docs/fast-hdd-ds1804-1-1311us.pdf
2015-10-11T11:25:47 < dongs> what hte fuck
2015-10-11T11:25:48 < dongs> "datasheet"
2015-10-11T11:25:51 < dongs> no power consumption listed
2015-10-11T11:26:13 < dongs> lolwat
2015-10-11T11:26:16 < dongs> samsung drives
2015-10-11T11:26:19 < dongs> inside shitgate enclosure
2015-10-11T11:26:45 < dongs> http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_spinpoint_m9t_hard_drive_review
2015-10-11T11:26:46 < dongs> these
2015-10-11T11:27:01 < dongs> Power
2015-10-11T11:27:01 < dongs> Typical Idle Operating: 0.7W
2015-10-11T11:27:01 < dongs> Average Operating: 2.3W
2015-10-11T11:27:06 < dongs> average operating
2015-10-11T11:27:09 < dongs> so 4.6W
2015-10-11T11:27:13 < dongs> no fucking way dude.
2015-10-11T11:27:19 < upgrdman> see
2015-10-11T11:27:22 < upgrdman> you dumb faggot
2015-10-11T11:27:31 < upgrdman> easy to do 5W with usb3
2015-10-11T11:28:01 < dongs> its fucking drawing ~1A at runtime
2015-10-11T11:28:04 < dongs> and probly double that at inrush
2015-10-11T11:28:19 < dongs> hooking up 500gig WD in a usb cable just clicks on bro3
2015-10-11T11:28:25 < dongs> that thing wouldnt even light up
2015-10-11T11:29:16 < upgrdman> stop using shit
2015-10-11T11:29:26 < upgrdman> >microsoft
2015-10-11T11:29:28 < dongs> Electrical
2015-10-11T11:29:29 < dongs> Max. current	900 mA
2015-10-11T11:29:29 < upgrdman> theres your problem
2015-10-11T11:29:31 < dongs> thats USB3.0
2015-10-11T11:29:32 < dongs> spec
2015-10-11T11:29:45 < dongs> 4.6W/5V = 920mA
2015-10-11T11:29:49 < dongs> thats just for average drive current
2015-10-11T11:29:56 < upgrdman> and lots of shit can do 2.1A for charting fagpads, etc.
2015-10-11T11:29:57 < dongs> not  counting raid0 controller or whatever
2015-10-11T11:30:03 < upgrdman> charging*
2015-10-11T11:30:07 < dongs> its still way over spec
2015-10-11T11:30:46 < dongs> point is that drive is garbage
2015-10-11T11:31:00 < dongs> and thats double things to fail, and both are spinning rust
2015-10-11T11:31:09 < dongs> why do you need 4tb portable anyway?
2015-10-11T11:31:18 < dongs> my last 10 years of work fits on like 64gb ssd
2015-10-11T11:31:21 < upgrdman> "In July 2012, the USB Promoters Group announced the finalization of the USB Power Delivery ("PD") specification, an extension that specifies using certified "PD aware" USB cables with standard USB type A and B connectors to deliver increased power (more than 7.5 W) to devices with larger power demand. Devices can request higher currents and supply voltages from compliant hosts – up to 2 A at 5 V (for a power consumption of up to 10 W)..."
2015-10-11T11:31:40 < dongs> PD = uses shorted DP/DM pins, it doesnt have data while providing 2A
2015-10-11T11:31:46 < upgrdman> o ok
2015-10-11T11:31:51 < upgrdman> as for why
2015-10-11T11:31:53 < upgrdman> <upgrdman> i wanted a NAS with USB. then i realized my router has a usb3 port and a usb2 port for NAS-ifiying a hard drive or thumb drive.
2015-10-11T11:31:54 < upgrdman>  <upgrdman> so i can use it as a NAS at home, and take it with me when i have to fuck off overseas
2015-10-11T11:31:55 < dongs> thats how faggotpad knows it can draw 2.1A
2015-10-11T11:32:39 < dongs> i got samsung T1 on order. this will be my new work drive
2015-10-11T11:34:02 < dongs> One thing that we really found handy is that users can share and manage files between Windows and Mac computers without having reformat the drive; a very welcomed feature for users who cross-platform often (eg. work vs home). The included software bundle, which adds an app for mobile device backup too, is one of the more comprehensive available in the market today.
2015-10-11T11:34:07 < dongs> lol
2015-10-11T11:34:11 < dongs> sorry to hear that macfaggots cant read ntfs
2015-10-11T11:34:36 < dongs> my tpdick router has usb too
2015-10-11T11:34:42 < dongs> never used it or wanted to
2015-10-11T11:35:08 < ReadError> is hole-to-hole clearance something fabs care about or just some dumb rule altium puts in
2015-10-11T11:35:13 < dongs> care
2015-10-11T11:35:26 < dongs> its hard to drill 2 holes close together withotu ruining fr4 material
2015-10-11T11:35:31 < dongs> and it becoming a mess
2015-10-11T11:35:51 < dongs> you probly wanna have at least 20mil between holes.
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2015-10-11T11:36:13 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/Gk0MI.jpg
2015-10-11T11:36:32 < ReadError> this is what its bitchin about, done it before w/ osh but never had a rule to check
2015-10-11T11:36:50 < dongs> hole to hole clerance?
2015-10-11T11:37:00 < ReadError> yea, since i cant have a pad w/ 2 holes
2015-10-11T11:37:07 < ReadError> its a multilayer pad
2015-10-11T11:37:12 < ReadError> with 2 pads inside it
2015-10-11T11:37:15 < ReadError> and vias
2015-10-11T11:37:17 < dongs> donno dude
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2015-10-11T12:31:21 < jpa-> i wonder how apple can mess up their power management software so that system starts randomly shutting down until battery is disconnected, which then magically fixes the problem
2015-10-11T12:48:12 < GargantuaSauce> i wonder if that bug doesn't show up until the warranty expires
2015-10-11T12:55:17 < jubatus> jpa-: look for what they're saving in battery backed RAM
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2015-10-11T12:58:19 < GargantuaSauce> is zapping your pram still a thing
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2015-10-11T14:10:57 < dongs> http://www.shedsimove.com/sites/default/files/images/images/Masturpieces%20home%20page.jpg
2015-10-11T14:13:15 < jubatus> the nose on those figurines is too small for use a a dildo
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2015-10-11T14:34:15 < Laurenceb_> http://www.math.harvard.edu/~shlomo/docs/beinhashemashot.pdf
2015-10-11T14:37:17 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/nHVVsbE
2015-10-11T14:38:49 < dongs> did the bitch open the door
2015-10-11T14:41:12 < PaulFertser> Those damn car passengers should be properly tought to never open doors until it's clear they can't be on obstacle for something. Car drivers too, those morons often open doors when stuck in a traffic jam :/
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2015-10-11T14:42:45 < dongs> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (rearrange letters) ---------------- = ** ME, A UNIT OF DISC EARTH ESTATE ***
2015-10-11T14:42:49 < dongs> flat earth proven
2015-10-11T14:42:53 < dongs> thakn you
2015-10-11T14:42:55 < dongs> thank, too
2015-10-11T14:44:45 < Steffanx> no phone involved in that all PeterM.. im surprised.
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2015-10-11T14:48:45 < dongs> i gotta finish this fucking split hdmi thing
2015-10-11T14:48:50 < dongs> so i can get paid. time to work
2015-10-11T14:50:53 < ReadError> one thing driving me nuts on altium is the 'trace turds' it leaves
2015-10-11T14:51:02 < ReadError> like tiny segments of shit you cant see
2015-10-11T14:51:04 < dongs> learn to tab
2015-10-11T14:51:11 < dongs> wow, you suck
2015-10-11T14:51:33 < ReadError> i though tab is to adjust trace/via sizes?
2015-10-11T14:51:35 < PeterM> ReadError, huave you ever pressed u?
2015-10-11T14:53:13 < dongs> god damn
2015-10-11T14:53:16 < dongs> jlink isntaller is fucking garbage
2015-10-11T14:53:19 < dongs> it installs into a new plafe
2015-10-11T14:53:21 < dongs> place
2015-10-11T14:53:24 < dongs> and keeps old shit installed!
2015-10-11T14:53:25 < dongs> waht the fuckkkk
2015-10-11T14:53:31 < ReadError> oh thats handy
2015-10-11T14:53:41 < dongs> fuck
2015-10-11T14:53:46 < dongs> they're using some ancient installshild shit
2015-10-11T14:53:51 < ReadError> sometimes it seems easier to just redo the entire thing vs massaging it in to place
2015-10-11T14:54:18 < dongs> loll and when you run uninstaller it takes like 5 minutes to delete all those .jflash files cuz it prints the filename on screen
2015-10-11T14:54:18 < PeterM> often
2015-10-11T14:54:19 < karlp> upgrdman: what router do you have with a usb3 port?
2015-10-11T14:54:21 < dongs> for EACH ONE
2015-10-11T14:54:31 < PeterM> dongs i fucking hate that shit
2015-10-11T14:54:31 < dongs> karlp: anus ac167 or wahtever shit
2015-10-11T14:54:40 < dongs> he was tweeting about it before
2015-10-11T14:54:59 < dongs> hah wow jlink 5 uninstaller is something else
2015-10-11T14:55:01 < dongs> looks like nsis
2015-10-11T14:55:05 < dongs> fuck
2015-10-11T14:55:10 < dongs> im just ognna uninstall all that shit
2015-10-11T15:28:52 < dongs> fuck toshiba datasheets
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2015-10-11T16:24:54 < ReadError> dongs recommended soldermask expansion?
2015-10-11T16:37:08 < dongs> why do pumpers even bother with this channel?
2015-10-11T16:37:15 < dongs> dont you have some other places to troll?
2015-10-11T16:39:51 < dongs> don't play dumb
2015-10-11T16:40:06 < dongs> then tell me why you're in this channel
2015-10-11T16:40:13 < dongs> and/or show some STM32 projects you have.
2015-10-11T16:40:20 < dongs> really now
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2015-10-11T16:44:47 < ReadError> pp4l, thats somethig i havent heard of in a while
2015-10-11T16:48:50 < dongs> you can tell a pumper a mile away
2015-10-11T16:48:54 < dongs> just like stoners
2015-10-11T16:49:07 < dongs> blown: what interestes you about STM32
2015-10-11T16:51:05 < dongs> and what project would that be
2015-10-11T16:54:01 < ReadError> so LEDs?
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2015-10-11T17:29:43 < Steffanx> lol, dongs complains about dongs -_-
2015-10-11T17:31:38 < zyp> karlp, heh, I read your blogpost about customs fees
2015-10-11T17:32:04 < zyp> initially my reaction was «550kr? wow, that's crazy expensive»
2015-10-11T17:32:13 < karlp> not the same krona ;)
2015-10-11T17:32:26 < zyp> and then I looked up currency rate, and that's around 36 NOK
2015-10-11T17:33:35 < zyp> over here, customs processing is often something between 120-500 NOK, depending of how much of an asshole the company is
2015-10-11T17:34:02 < dongs>  /* name */ '\\\\psf\\Home\\Desktop\\Zano Bottom.stp',
2015-10-11T17:34:10 < dongs>  /* originating_system */ 'Autodesk Inventor 2016',
2015-10-11T17:34:15 < dongs> autodick inventor runs on lunix?
2015-10-11T17:34:22 < zyp> but shipments <350NOK is exempt from any customs processing at all, and thus also the handling fees
2015-10-11T17:34:59 < dongs> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rtmw9ao801izgtx/AACQ9UxFAnohG3rDE6jf4sUea?dl=0&s=so
2015-10-11T17:36:20 < Steffanx> That psf sounds like a parallels network share thing dongs
2015-10-11T17:36:25 < Steffanx> on windows
2015-10-11T17:38:26 < Steffanx> i mean, parallels shared folder, not network per se
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2015-10-11T17:55:42 < Laurenceb_> http://www.psychologicalharassment.com/radar-assault-faraday-cage.htm
2015-10-11T17:56:01 < Laurenceb_> radar assault is an example of harassment
2015-10-11T17:59:47 < Lux> from what i understood reading the docs, the unprogrammed stm32 mcus should boot into system memory(bootloader) if they aren't programmed right ?
2015-10-11T17:59:52 < Lux> even if boot0 is low
2015-10-11T18:01:11 < dongs> no
2015-10-11T18:01:16 < dongs> they will not boot into anything
2015-10-11T18:01:23 < dongs> they will only go to bootloader if boot0 is high
2015-10-11T18:02:37 < Lux> Boot0(pin) = 0, BFB2(bit) = 0 and both banks don’t contain valid code found that in the bootloader appnote
2015-10-11T18:03:27 < Lux> that is one of the activation sequences in the bootloader app note
2015-10-11T18:03:41 < Lux> just tought no valid code means unprogrammed flash
2015-10-11T18:06:55 < zyp> uh, there's no checks
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2015-10-11T18:07:43 < Lux> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00167594.pdf referring to this
2015-10-11T18:08:02 < zyp> if you boot an stm32 without valid code, it'll load 0xffffffff from the reset vector, hardfault, read 0xffffffff for the hardfault vector as well, and go into lockup
2015-10-11T18:09:33 < TheSeven> hm, that document indeed says that on STM32F10xxx XL-density devices, it would go into bootloader if no valid code is found and BFB2=0
2015-10-11T18:10:21 < zyp> hmm
2015-10-11T18:10:58 < TheSeven> on these dualbank devices, it looks like it would attempt to boot from bank 2 if bank 1 fails, or if bfb2=0, goes into the bootloader instead
2015-10-11T18:11:06 < Lux> bfb2 means xl-density line ?
2015-10-11T18:11:19 < Lux> ah, now it kinda makes sense
2015-10-11T18:11:20 < TheSeven> bfb2 only exists on dualbank devices
2015-10-11T18:11:20 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-11T18:11:33 < Lux> they could be a bit clearer on that..
2015-10-11T18:11:39 < zyp> I haven't used a chip with BFB2, so that explains why I haven't heard about it
2015-10-11T18:12:01 < TheSeven> BFB2 meaning "attempt boot from bank 2" basically
2015-10-11T18:12:19 < Lux> and it'll work on some stm32f0 devices
2015-10-11T18:12:23 < Lux> On STM32F03x and STM32F09x devices only, internal empty check flag is implemented to
2015-10-11T18:12:26 < Lux> allow easy programming of the virgin devices by the boot loader
2015-10-11T18:12:34 < Lux> from the ref manual
2015-10-11T18:13:00 < Lux> On STM32F03x and STM32F09x devices only, internal empty check flag is implemented to
2015-10-11T18:13:03 < Lux> allow easy programming of the virgin devices by the boot loader. This flag is used when
2015-10-11T18:13:05 < Lux> BOOT0 pin is defining Main Flash
2015-10-11T18:13:06 < Lux> memory as the target boot area. When the flag is set, the
2015-10-11T18:13:08 < Lux> device is considered as empty and System me
2015-10-11T18:13:10 < Lux> mory (boot loader) is selected instead of the
2015-10-11T18:13:12 < Lux> Main Flash as a boot area to allow user to program the Flash memory.
2015-10-11T18:13:29 < Lux> should have pasted that somewhere, sry
2015-10-11T18:13:35 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-11T18:13:40 < TheSeven> Lux: which particular chip are you dealing with right now?
2015-10-11T18:13:42 < zyp> in other words, this is the case for some chips
2015-10-11T18:13:47 < Lux> stm32f031
2015-10-11T18:14:24 < TheSeven> yeah, that one has no empty check
2015-10-11T18:14:52 < Lux> 03x is 031 ?
2015-10-11T18:15:01 < Lux> it has according to what i pasted
2015-10-11T18:15:03 < TheSeven> 031 is 03x, yes
2015-10-11T18:15:15 < Lux> i'll just try it to make sure
2015-10-11T18:15:19 < TheSeven> the only non-dualbank device with empty check is f030xC
2015-10-11T18:15:27 < TheSeven> not f031
2015-10-11T18:15:53 < Lux> and what they write in the ref manual is wrong ?
2015-10-11T18:16:08 < TheSeven> not impossible, but very unlikely
2015-10-11T18:16:38 < Lux> so wth are you writing ? :P
2015-10-11T18:16:43 < TheSeven> there are undocumented features in "undefined" areas sometimes, but in this case they explicitly say that it does not do that
2015-10-11T18:17:13 < TheSeven> i.e. they don't lie, they just don't always tell you the full truth sometimes ;)
2015-10-11T18:17:13 < zyp> what's the full id of the chip?
2015-10-11T18:17:47 < Lux> stm32f031G6U6
2015-10-11T18:17:57 < zyp> the appnote lists both F03xx4/6 and F030xC
2015-10-11T18:18:11 < zyp> and it says the former is pattern2, i.e. without blank check
2015-10-11T18:18:15 < zyp> so it won't do it
2015-10-11T18:18:54 < Lux> meh okay, thanks
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2015-10-11T18:25:54 < Lux> really seems like they wrote f03x instead of f04x in the ref manual
2015-10-11T18:26:24 < Lux> that's really sloppy :/
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2015-10-11T19:27:46 < karlp> zyp: yeah, no free threshold here on shipments. which is why it's annoying on small parcels
2015-10-11T19:28:09 < karlp> china's meant to be free trade with us now, so it's gotten rather random where you have to pay anything at all.
2015-10-11T19:28:18 < zyp> heh
2015-10-11T19:28:30 < karlp> customs handling via ups/dhl/fedex agents is about triple what the post charges though.
2015-10-11T19:38:23 < zyp> true
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2015-10-11T20:43:32 < gxti> ok time for some f4disco fun. but first i have to rebuild my toolchain because lunix.
2015-10-11T20:44:39 < karlp> wat
2015-10-11T20:45:59 < gxti> been a while since i did any stm32 stuff. wiped my lab pc and the other one only has some old toolchain with no c++, so i can't steal zyp's code
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2015-10-11T20:47:11 < PaulFertser> gxti: why not take gcc-arm-embedded precompiled toolchain?
2015-10-11T20:48:32 < gxti> tnt makes smaller code. not like it's difficult to build, just have to do it.
2015-10-11T20:54:00 < kakimir> installing cc3d to brothers 3d
2015-10-11T20:54:30 < Steffanx> oh, dekar even updates tnt.
2015-10-11T20:55:40 < kakimir> I wonder has there been cases that in signal harness decides to seperate from that little connecter
2015-10-11T20:59:28 < karlp> hehe, " warning: comparisons like 'X<=Y<=Z' do not have their mathematical meaning [-Wparentheses]
2015-10-11T20:59:31 < karlp> new one to me.
2015-10-11T20:59:38 < karlp> guess I shouldn't have tried that then.
2015-10-11T21:03:33 < mtbg_> :>
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2015-10-11T21:08:26 < upgrdman> karlp, my router is an anus rt-ac68u
2015-10-11T21:09:18 < kakimir> bonus anus
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2015-10-11T21:12:13 < upgrdman> yes
2015-10-11T21:15:02 < karlp> yeah, ok, that's a lot of router.
2015-10-11T21:15:10 < karlp> mine only cost ~$27
2015-10-11T21:17:42 < upgrdman> is it 802.11ac?
2015-10-11T21:17:45 < upgrdman> i needed ac
2015-10-11T21:17:55 < upgrdman> live in a condo complex with fuck tons of wifi
2015-10-11T21:18:11 < upgrdman> b/g/n was only getting me like 2MBps during the daytime
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2015-10-11T21:18:33 < upgrdman> now i get >20MBps during the day
2015-10-11T21:20:00 < Bright> what's a chip that can act as a bluetooth ad2p to analog out
2015-10-11T21:20:32 < zyp> upgrdman, heh
2015-10-11T21:21:04 < zyp> wifi spectrum is crowded as fuck -> better get the newest wifi tech that's using a fuckton of spectrum
2015-10-11T21:21:11 < upgrdman> zyp, ya i know. i should be able to get much more. but im within range of 30+ wifi stations
2015-10-11T21:21:27 < upgrdman> zyp, :) gotta play the game to keep up
2015-10-11T21:22:50 < karlp> upgrdman: yeah, ac, got a xiaomi mini
2015-10-11T21:22:56 < upgrdman> cool
2015-10-11T21:23:06 < zyp> gxti, do you really care about smaller code? the usb audio stuff is probably like 8k with GAE, and I don't think you'll have any problems fitting that in the 1MB flash
2015-10-11T21:23:17 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: probably 2.4GHz vs 5GHz rather than 802.11n vs. 802.11ac difference?
2015-10-11T21:23:31 < karlp> range isn't as good with openwrt as with the stock stuff yet, but that's ok.
2015-10-11T21:23:42 < upgrdman> my old router had 5GHz mode, and i used it. was <1MBps on 2.4
2015-10-11T21:24:03 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: were you using a free 5GHz channel then?
2015-10-11T21:24:05 < upgrdman> it is possible that my old router was just total trash. it was some cisco/linksys junk
2015-10-11T21:24:28 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, dunno. but it was "dual band" and you could pick 2.4 or 5, but not both
2015-10-11T21:24:55 < PaulFertser> It's just strange, there shouldn't be much interference on 5GHz band.
2015-10-11T21:26:15 < upgrdman> im near so fucking many people
2015-10-11T21:26:19 < upgrdman> i live in so cal
2015-10-11T21:26:24 < upgrdman> in a condo complex
2015-10-11T21:27:12 < upgrdman> even with the shorter prop of 5, theres still a bunch of fuckers within 100 feet of me
2015-10-11T21:27:19 < upgrdman> (30 meters)
2015-10-11T21:28:17 < zyp> it's not about shorter propagation, it's about the fact that available spectrum in 5ghz area is an order of magnitude larger
2015-10-11T21:31:49 < zyp> like, 60MHz vs 600MHz or something
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2015-10-11T21:39:22 < gxti> zyp: is your usb audio demo meant for f4disco?
2015-10-11T21:39:31 < zyp> yes
2015-10-11T21:39:33 < gxti> it's enumerating but no sound, not that i really need it to *work*
2015-10-11T21:39:50 < zyp> did you turn up the volume?
2015-10-11T21:39:58 < gxti> yes.
2015-10-11T21:40:23 < chris_99> zyp, what demo is that out of interest? i've been playing around with a usb mic demo i found, recently
2015-10-11T21:40:45 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/?h=usb_audio
2015-10-11T21:41:02 < gxti> i sorta got into the usb_rblog thing, stlink not working great as usual. gotta go dig out the bmp
2015-10-11T21:41:03 < zyp> some quick shit I put together a while ago
2015-10-11T21:41:27 < gxti> looks reasonable "Received audio frame with %d bytes.", arguments = {192, 0}
2015-10-11T21:41:43 < chris_99> ah, is that for a usb speaker zyp?
2015-10-11T21:41:47 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-11T21:43:52 < zyp> gxti, hmm, weird
2015-10-11T21:44:16 < gxti> it's not that important, just wanted some code to look at
2015-10-11T21:44:31 < gxti> maybe play with the usb structures to see if i can do what i want (audio + at least 3 CDC endpoints)
2015-10-11T21:46:05 < zyp> not sure you'll have enough endpoints for that
2015-10-11T21:46:33 < zyp> remember that ACM has a second IN endpoint for sideband signalling
2015-10-11T21:46:49 < gxti> i actually don't know anything at all abut usb endpoints
2015-10-11T21:47:04 < gxti> is there an idiot guide somewhere to catch me up
2015-10-11T21:48:16 < zyp> it's addressing on the device, think like tcp/udp ports
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2015-10-11T21:57:16 < gxti> ok so f1 usb_fs only has 3x3 endpoints. looks like f3 does 8x8 though.
2015-10-11T21:57:39 < zyp> f4 you mean
2015-10-11T21:58:10 < zyp> EP0 both directions is reserved for the control
2015-10-11T21:58:27 < gxti> well, i'm dicking with a f4disco but i wasn hoping to use some space f1s i had lying around. same controller i guess.
2015-10-11T21:58:43 < gxti> spare*
2015-10-11T21:58:48 < zyp> on f1/f3, the core supports 8 pairs in total, which means 7 custom in and 7 custom out
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2015-10-11T21:59:10 < zyp> on f4 OTG_FS supports 3+3 custom, OTG_HS supports 5+5 custom
2015-10-11T21:59:13 < karlp> f4 has different amounts for the fs and hs
2015-10-11T21:59:18 < karlp> yeah, what he said :)
2015-10-11T21:59:29 < karlp> I got trapped trying to make up ep numbers :)
2015-10-11T21:59:39 < gxti> f103 at least is 3x3
2015-10-11T21:59:44 < gxti> which f1 has 7?
2015-10-11T22:00:10 < zyp> a single ACM function will use one OUT and two IN, since there's this separate sideband stuff in addition to data in/out
2015-10-11T22:00:12 < karlp> um, there's some dudes added kernel driver support for a stm32 based usb to quad serial iirc recently,
2015-10-11T22:00:21 < karlp> pretty sure that wa son an f1 series.
2015-10-11T22:00:39 < karlp> hrm, what was the company called again...
2015-10-11T22:00:41 < zyp> gxti, no, it's 7+7
2015-10-11T22:01:11 < gxti> then i'm reading this wrong
2015-10-11T22:01:30 < zyp> or reading the wrong chapter
2015-10-11T22:02:04 < zyp> OTG_FS in f107 does only 3+3 like in f4
2015-10-11T22:02:11 < zyp> but USB in f103 does 7+7
2015-10-11T22:02:19 < zyp> both are documented in RM0008
2015-10-11T22:03:11 < gxti> oh there is a second chapter
2015-10-11T22:03:16 < zyp> «This dedicated memory is sized to 512 bytes and up to 16 mono-directional or 8 bidirectional endpoints can be used.»
2015-10-11T22:03:24 < zyp> which is a bit of a dumb way to put it
2015-10-11T22:04:06 < zyp> apart from control, there's strictly no bidirectional endpoints
2015-10-11T22:04:42 < zyp> there's 8 endpoint registers, of which half controls the in path and half controls the out path, and they are independent
2015-10-11T22:04:55 < zyp> so you're left with EP0 and 7 in + 7 out
2015-10-11T22:05:16 < zyp> you can't magically get EP0 and 14 in or 14 out
2015-10-11T22:05:26 < karlp> here, four ACMs https://github.com/novatechweb/nt124
2015-10-11T22:05:38 < zyp> except it's not ACM
2015-10-11T22:05:58 < zyp> it's some custom stuff that ditches the sideband stuff to avoid wasting endpoints
2015-10-11T22:06:49 < karlp> ah right, yes. I found the original thread now, it uses a different driver
2015-10-11T22:06:54 < gxti> well, i can work with 7
2015-10-11T22:07:50 < zyp> you might be able to get away with just a single pair for ACM by setting the sideband stuff to a nonexistant endpoint in the descriptor
2015-10-11T22:07:58 < gxti> i wonder what compelled them to put a less capable usb controller on the bigger devices
2015-10-11T22:08:20 < zyp> it's a completely different core
2015-10-11T22:08:26 < karlp> this guys is dual cdc-acm iirc https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/pull/96
2015-10-11T22:08:47 < zyp> karlp, sure, even BMP is dual ACM
2015-10-11T22:09:22 < karlp> yeah, three is way harder :)
2015-10-11T22:09:25 < zyp> gxti, so each endpoint in the synopsys core is probably much more expensive in terms of silicon
2015-10-11T22:09:36 < zyp> karlp, not on f1
2015-10-11T22:09:43 < karlp> hrm, I sould probably look at trying to get gmocollisters changes merged
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2015-10-11T22:25:34 < kakimir> what is BMP and what is ACM?
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2015-10-11T22:28:39 < Steffanx> black magic probe and the CDC ACM  usb class
2015-10-11T22:29:02 < Steffanx> *class and sub class
2015-10-11T22:29:34 < Steffanx> The serial port emulation stuff kakimir
2015-10-11T22:29:57 < kakimir> does openocd do any other tricks than GDB server?
2015-10-11T22:30:20 < kakimir> something like jlink commander kind of thing?
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2015-10-11T22:52:20 < upgrdman> with semihosting and using stuff like printf(), how do you determine the equivalent baud rate? (e.g. how much can you printf() in some period of time)
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2015-10-11T22:53:15 < kakimir> semihosting printf() ?
2015-10-11T22:53:49 < upgrdman> yes
2015-10-11T22:54:00 < upgrdman> printf to your debugger
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2015-10-11T22:55:59 < kakimir> what you need baud rate for?
2015-10-11T22:56:21 < kakimir> or you need some approximation?
2015-10-11T22:56:26 < upgrdman> to determine a reasonable max level of data flow
2015-10-11T22:56:35 < upgrdman> e.g. can i print 1000  chars per second?
2015-10-11T22:56:48 < upgrdman> or 10000?
2015-10-11T22:56:56 < kakimir> can you count like "cost per char" ?
2015-10-11T22:57:22 < upgrdman> well for uart it would usually be 10bits per char (stat bit, char, stop bit)
2015-10-11T22:57:25 < kakimir> *cpu instructions / time
2015-10-11T22:57:48 < upgrdman> so at 1MBaud, that 1 000 000 bps, so 100 000 chars per second (approx.)
2015-10-11T22:58:28 < PaulFertser> kakimir: what do you mean by tricks? Have you seen the user manual? OpenOCD has plenty of features.
2015-10-11T22:58:45 < kakimir> PaulFertser: slowly going thru it
2015-10-11T22:58:49 < kakimir> first pages..
2015-10-11T22:59:04 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: with semihosting the fastest you get is raw JTAG read from target's SRAM.
2015-10-11T22:59:33 < kakimir> it looks like you throw some config files of interface and target to it and it then starts daemon
2015-10-11T22:59:35 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: but for that you need to enable buffering for stdout and flush manually at the point when it's absolutely necessary, not earlier.
2015-10-11T22:59:45 < PaulFertser> kakimir: right
2015-10-11T23:00:05 < kakimir> have you seen jlink commander?
2015-10-11T23:00:09 < PaulFertser> kakimir: nope
2015-10-11T23:00:36 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, any idea what stlink clones run at? 1MHz?
2015-10-11T23:01:14 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: SWD clock? Hm, not sure, probably. stlinkv2.1 firmware allows one to actually choose the clock.
2015-10-11T23:01:27 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I know stlink can capture SWO with up to 2MHz baud.
2015-10-11T23:01:40 < upgrdman> hmm k
2015-10-11T23:01:56 < upgrdman> is SWO a pin on the mcu?
2015-10-11T23:02:12 < kakimir> hah 2Mhz
2015-10-11T23:02:30 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: on cortex-m3 there usually is a pin that can be used as SWO, yes. Much faster than semihosting for debug output.
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2015-10-11T23:02:50 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-11T23:03:44 < kakimir> jlink - 7.5Mhz
2015-10-11T23:03:45 < PaulFertser> Cheap ftdi adapters can capture up to 12M.
2015-10-11T23:05:49 < karlp> new stlink is up to 4mhz isn't it?
2015-10-11T23:06:06 < PaulFertser> Not sure.
2015-10-11T23:06:10 < PaulFertser> IIRC, no.
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2015-10-11T23:07:03 < karlp> hrm thought I saw new patches enabling higher speeds.
2015-10-11T23:07:58 < karlp> upgrdman: ITM trace you have to factor in the overhead of the channel marking too, you pay a price for the multiplexing
2015-10-11T23:08:19 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-11T23:08:19 < kakimir> I don't too much care how fast SWD is when all it does is say something like "hello" every while compared to totally packed SWO stream
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2015-10-11T23:14:00 < kakimir> you are propably running it as fast it goes and made everything as tight as possible.. 2Mhz can be totally consumed by two or three events
2015-10-11T23:15:09 < kakimir> in case of actually needing swo to understand timing mess
2015-10-11T23:16:03 < upgrdman> well right now im mostly fucking with f0, so im not terribly demanding.
2015-10-11T23:16:26 < PaulFertser> Salea clone can capture way faster.
2015-10-11T23:16:39 < upgrdman> linky?
2015-10-11T23:17:04 < upgrdman> i just bought another $3.50 stlinkv2 clone from ebay last week :(
2015-10-11T23:17:13 < kakimir> salea? logic analyzer?
2015-10-11T23:17:16 < PaulFertser> Saleae logic clone, yes
2015-10-11T23:18:37 < upgrdman> flyback, lol wtf is that for
2015-10-11T23:18:40 < PaulFertser> kakimir: fyi regarding semihosting, setvbuf(stdout, NULL, _IOFBF, BUFSIZ); will enable full buffering for stdout, then use fflush(stdout) when you need flushing.
2015-10-11T23:19:37 < kakimir> flyback: is that one of your projects?
2015-10-11T23:20:02 < kakimir> looks like those free energy devices
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2015-10-11T23:25:27 < kakimir> PaulFertser: http://microchip.wikidot.com/tls5000:jlink-commander commander is like a manual interface for debugger
2015-10-11T23:25:48 < kakimir> it has set of commands
2015-10-11T23:26:02 < PaulFertser> kakimir: OpenOCD has telnet interface for that, also, an RPC interface.
2015-10-11T23:27:26 < kakimir> okay you telnet it and it gives list of commands and prompt?
2015-10-11T23:27:40 < PaulFertser> kakimir: it doesn't give a list until you use "help".
2015-10-11T23:27:46 < PaulFertser> Other than that, yes.
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2015-10-11T23:43:59 < upgrdman> copying ~3TB via USB2... "estimated time remaining: 1 day 4 hours"     ._.
2015-10-11T23:45:00 < upgrdman> flyback, hold your fucking smartphone in landscape mode for videos. people like you are what's wrong with youtube ;)
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2015-10-11T23:53:05 < upgrdman> totally safe  http://i.imgur.com/kc4I3OT.jpg
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2015-10-12T00:10:22 < englishman> how about camera mfgs stop being retarded and allow cameras to record in landscape mode while holding in portrait
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2015-10-12T00:25:03 < upgrdman> that too
2015-10-12T00:25:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOHdJRWF5VFdQU0k/view?usp=sharing new pilot on board
2015-10-12T00:26:12 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/cMocGgY.gifv
2015-10-12T00:27:44 < upgrdman> also lol  http://www.belovedshirts.com/collections/kim-jong-un-collection
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2015-10-12T00:40:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8eDyCRa0mY more luciana
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2015-10-12T01:04:35 < Laurenceb_> wtf murica
2015-10-12T01:04:52 < Laurenceb_> chuck norris
2015-10-12T01:05:37 < kakimir> died?
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2015-10-12T01:09:16 < Laurenceb_> texas ranger
2015-10-12T01:09:37 < englishman> still defeated by bruce ree
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2015-10-12T02:21:47 < kakimir> what are there board scripts for in openocd
2015-10-12T02:22:03 < kakimir> ?
2015-10-12T02:25:33 < kakimir> okay those are like bundled stuff that result one script initializes whole thing
2015-10-12T02:26:34 < kakimir> there seems to be loading of target and interface scripts and some memmory initializations
2015-10-12T02:27:50 < kakimir> simplest ones have just notion of board as comment and target
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2015-10-12T02:55:13 < kakimir> is name of openocd daemon openocd?
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2015-10-12T03:43:53 < gxti> well f1 with both 8+8 endpoints and i2s doesn't seem to exist
2015-10-12T03:44:21 < gxti> because only the big ones have i2s and those use the synopsys core
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2015-10-12T04:28:56 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-10-12T04:36:22 < dongs> Thank you for your recent enquiry for a refund of your pledge to the ZANO Kickstarter campaign. Unfortunately, at this current time your order is being processed and we cannot issue a refund. Once you receive your ZANO we will be happy for you to return the item unopened for a full refund.
2015-10-12T04:36:42 < dongs> so you cant get a dickstarter refund for a year+ until they actually ship you something, lol
2015-10-12T04:36:47 < dongs> prooo
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2015-10-12T04:58:03 < GargantuaSauce> money's all in the boat
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2015-10-12T05:21:28 < dongs> money in xeon blades
2015-10-12T05:23:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/E0n5d4v.jpg
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2015-10-12T05:36:46 < upgrdman> nice slogan  http://imgur.com/xoU8TQa
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2015-10-12T06:14:07 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ENIdjD77.html nice code
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2015-10-12T06:24:04 < upgrdman> dongs, how do those esp wifi modules work? uart to mcu?
2015-10-12T06:24:17 < upgrdman> and which one(s) are SMD (castellated)
2015-10-12T06:26:09 < dongs> yeah uart to mcu
2015-10-12T06:26:16 < dongs> someting-12 is castellated
2015-10-12T06:26:17 < dongs> looking
2015-10-12T06:26:55 < dongs> http://www.electrodragon.com/w/File:ESP8266_IO_SMD_005.jpg
2015-10-12T06:26:56 < dongs> this thing
2015-10-12T06:27:13 < dongs> http://www.electrodragon.com/w/ESP8266_SMD_Board
2015-10-12T06:27:15 < dongs> damn theres so many
2015-10-12T06:27:15 < dongs> lol
2015-10-12T06:27:17 < dongs> take your pick
2015-10-12T06:27:28 < dongs> I think the ones I got is esp-12
2015-10-12T06:28:12 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/IllPleasingDolphin attn upgrdman
2015-10-12T06:28:59 < upgrdman> seen it. interesting how they just fall, instead of like wiggling first
2015-10-12T06:30:43 < upgrdman> lol, i can even get them via amazon prime http://www.amazon.com/Diymall%C2%AE-Esp8266-Esp-12e-Wireless-Transceiver/dp/B00RJJHWLA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1444620426&sr=8-3&keywords=esp8266
2015-10-12T06:30:53 < upgrdman> prolly half price from ebay.cn tho
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2015-10-12T06:35:30 < dongs> what does amazon do when you choose a "arrive by" expedited shipoping
2015-10-12T06:35:32 < dongs> and it doesnt happen?
2015-10-12T06:35:41 < dongs> i have a "arriving tuesday by 8pm" thing
2015-10-12T06:35:47 < dongs> which is still in 'label created' state
2015-10-12T06:35:58 < dongs> it is sold by xxx and fulfilled by amazon
2015-10-12T06:37:30 < upgrdman> do you have prime?
2015-10-12T06:37:46 < upgrdman> iirc with prime, if they miss the date, you get half off next prime subscription fee
2015-10-12T06:38:11 < upgrdman> assuming it isnt your fault it couldnt be delivered
2015-10-12T06:38:33 < upgrdman> this seems like the best deal for an esp12. just under $3 each, shipping, if i buy five.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-ESP8266-Remote-Serial-WIFI-Transceiver-Wireless-Module-Esp-12-AP-STA-TOP-/331560247925?hash=item4d3287e275
2015-10-12T06:38:42 < upgrdman> s/shipping/shipped
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2015-10-12T06:39:07 < englishman> seems about right
2015-10-12T06:39:13 < englishman> i got 5/$10 or something
2015-10-12T06:39:16 < englishman> still in envelope
2015-10-12T06:39:27 < englishman> the FCC approved ones
2015-10-12T06:40:56 < upgrdman> dongs, do you know if all the esp12 needs is 3v3/gnd/tx/rx ?
2015-10-12T06:41:30 < upgrdman> i assume rst and en can be tied (dont need to be toggled)
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2015-10-12T06:47:57 < upgrdman> is pcb antenna or ceramic antenna better for esp8266?
2015-10-12T06:49:42 < dongs> there's some 'known working 'stuf,f you gotta pullup some pins i think
2015-10-12T06:50:55 < dongs> just  check thier wiki
2015-10-12T06:51:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/q1QxZIN.png
2015-10-12T06:51:50 < dongs> this is my working board but I dont guarantee it will wor kfro you
2015-10-12T07:00:06 < upgrdman> k thx
2015-10-12T07:00:49 < upgrdman> hmm you arent using the bottom row of pads?
2015-10-12T07:01:37 < upgrdman> no one cares, amirite
2015-10-12T07:02:29 < upgrdman> yup
2015-10-12T07:02:43 < upgrdman> i just want to prepare for the internet-of-dicks
2015-10-12T07:03:04 < upgrdman> maybe i can run a web server on it and redirects all queries to goat.cx or equiv
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2015-10-12T07:04:42 < upgrdman> god damn this old 3tb hdd is slow as fuck
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2015-10-12T07:20:46 < dongs> donging
2015-10-12T07:20:51 < dongs> sifting through lunix code
2015-10-12T07:20:59 < dongs> because toshiba can't provide anything better htan excel files
2015-10-12T07:21:01 < dongs> for datasheets
2015-10-12T07:23:03 < dongs> is monday some fucking american holiday????????????
2015-10-12T07:23:32 < dongs> http://federal-holidays.findthedata.com/l/57/Columbus-Day
2015-10-12T07:23:34 < dongs> oh motherfucker
2015-10-12T07:23:48 < dongs> fuckkk
2015-10-12T07:24:13 < dongs> fuck america
2015-10-12T07:24:59 < upgrdman> dongs, why u mad
2015-10-12T07:25:12 < dongs> banks are closed
2015-10-12T07:25:18 < dongs> upgrdman: my fucking mouser order isnt arriving monday
2015-10-12T07:25:18 < upgrdman> in .jp?
2015-10-12T07:25:25 < dongs> upgrdman: jp monday is holiday too
2015-10-12T07:25:28 < dongs> some faggot sports day
2015-10-12T07:25:31 < upgrdman> lol
2015-10-12T07:25:36 < dongs> R2COM: not in japan
2015-10-12T07:25:48 < dongs> my online bank is closed today.
2015-10-12T07:26:04 < dongs> no
2015-10-12T07:26:07 < dongs> i cant even login to it
2015-10-12T07:26:13 < dongs> its FUCKING CLOSED
2015-10-12T07:26:41 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bank_of_Tokyo-Mitsubishi_UFJ
2015-10-12T07:26:45 < dongs> its like one of the biggest jp banks
2015-10-12T07:26:51 < dongs> online gets closed on holidays
2015-10-12T07:27:26 < upgrdman> online closing on holidays? sounds almost as retarded as how jews do things
2015-10-12T07:28:01 < upgrdman> like stupid jew elevators
2015-10-12T07:29:14 < upgrdman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator
2015-10-12T07:32:28 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-12T07:32:46 < upgrdman> normally we get it off, but we decided to do 4-day holidays for xmas and new years insteading
2015-10-12T07:32:59 < upgrdman> and who the fuck cares about columbus anyway
2015-10-12T07:33:16 < upgrdman> i mean killing the native americans is cool and all, but still
2015-10-12T07:46:08 < dongs> what the hell
2015-10-12T07:46:19 < dongs> what is that shitbath elevator
2015-10-12T07:48:38 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat#The_thirty-nine_creative_activities
2015-10-12T07:50:39 < dongs> damn that is some crazy shit
2015-10-12T07:51:56 < upgrdman> operation electronic switches is
2015-10-12T07:51:57 < upgrdman> so yes
2015-10-12T07:52:06 < upgrdman> no kydb or mouse for R2JEW
2015-10-12T07:53:58 < upgrdman> might be considered one, for purposed of intentionally changing the flow of electrons
2015-10-12T07:54:34 < upgrdman> LOL you cant even extinguish a fire on the shabbat unless death is expected
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2015-10-12T08:07:10 < GargantuaSauce> uh, a computer is several billion switches
2015-10-12T08:07:23 < upgrdman> orly? /s
2015-10-12T08:07:44 < GargantuaSauce> so you are operating a lot of switches
2015-10-12T08:07:54 < upgrdman> < not a jew
2015-10-12T08:09:03 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce: well computers are one of the first things to go for strict sabbath followers (only on sabbath, of course)
2015-10-12T08:09:36 < GargantuaSauce> does the sabbath follow UTC or local timezones?
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2015-10-12T08:09:41 < dongs> WTC timezone
2015-10-12T08:10:26 < jpa-> http://www.zomet.org.il/eng/?CategoryID=253&ArticleID=318    lol, and then there is this :D
2015-10-12T08:12:06 < upgrdman> "Shabbat Penor computer"   lol
2015-10-12T08:12:15 < upgrdman> penor FTW
2015-10-12T08:12:30 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.zomet.org.il/eng/?CategoryID=199&ArticleID=63&Page=
2015-10-12T08:13:16 < GargantuaSauce> someone sat down and wrote all this shit
2015-10-12T08:13:31 < dongs> http://www.zomet.org.il/eng/?CategoryID=248&ArticleID=90&Page=1
2015-10-12T08:13:34 < dongs> jew-approved mouse
2015-10-12T08:13:42 < GargantuaSauce> someone hired a team of religious scholars and engineers
2015-10-12T08:13:47 < GargantuaSauce> this blows my mind
2015-10-12T08:14:15 < GargantuaSauce> (1) Operating a printer is the most serious action of all computer activity.
2015-10-12T08:14:49 < dongs> i think im gonna celerbrate by printing 500 pages on that day
2015-10-12T08:15:52 < upgrdman> its pleases me to have shifted the conversation of ##stm32 :)
2015-10-12T08:16:07 < upgrdman> crazy jews, something we can all appreciate
2015-10-12T08:18:13 < dongs> so basically
2015-10-12T08:18:17 < dongs> scanning keys is allowed
2015-10-12T08:18:23 < dongs> but closing a switch isnt
2015-10-12T08:18:25 < dongs> thats hilarious
2015-10-12T08:19:59 < jpa-> the shabbat pen page is the most ridiculous - "how to do work on shabbat without it being work"
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2015-10-12T09:31:02 < dongs> "internet of things" in japanese is retarded.
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2015-10-12T09:31:22 < dongs> http://tocos-wireless.com/jp/tech/Internet_of_Things.html
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2015-10-12T10:36:52 < PaulFertser> Can someone please suggest me a cheap but reasonable quality lab power supply for hobby purposes? Preferrably something that can be modded to be remotely controlled.
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2015-10-12T10:37:38 < ReadError> PaulFertser http://www.amazon.com/KORAD-KA3005P-Programmable-Precision-Adjustable/dp/B0085QLNFM
2015-10-12T10:37:44 < ReadError> have 2 of those, they have been solid
2015-10-12T10:37:49 < ReadError> and can be controlled
2015-10-12T10:41:17 < ReadError> dongs korea guy responded, the 4 panel special you can have multiple copies of the same design
2015-10-12T10:41:39 < ReadError> 36 boards for 100 bucks isnt bad
2015-10-12T10:42:27 < Roklobsta> it's hardly worth his time to respond to you. so cheap.
2015-10-12T10:44:13 < PaulFertser> ReadError: " It is cheaply made. Looking inside the unit will make both experienced and unexperienced EEs cringe (R-2R ADC, unwashed boards, under-spec'ed parts, etc.). " (from a review)
2015-10-12T10:45:03 < ReadError> ya dave bitched about it
2015-10-12T10:45:07 < ReadError> then they fixed some stuff
2015-10-12T10:45:23 < PaulFertser> Why buy china crap from amazon and not ebay/aliexpress?
2015-10-12T10:45:36 < PaulFertser> I wonder if there's something less crappy for the price...
2015-10-12T10:45:52 < PaulFertser> Damn, russian ruble exchange rate be damned!
2015-10-12T10:48:37 < ReadError> PaulFertser well I got that from amazon since prime
2015-10-12T10:48:42 < ReadError> and impatient ;)
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2015-10-12T10:50:14 < ReadError> the rigol dp832 has been solid also
2015-10-12T10:53:37 < Steffanx> Except for the fan of the 1052e
2015-10-12T10:53:50 < Steffanx> About the*
2015-10-12T10:53:58 < ReadError> the 1054z they have for $350 is pretty nice too
2015-10-12T10:54:36 < jpa-> PaulFertser: you can sometimes find old HP6632 and similar power supplies for around $100
2015-10-12T10:54:47 < Steffanx> Blown is aussie?
2015-10-12T10:54:59 < Steffanx> Explains it all
2015-10-12T10:55:15 < ReadError> do you sound just like eevblogger dave?
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2015-10-12T11:01:27 < PaulFertser> jpa-: thanks for the hint.
2015-10-12T11:03:49 < ReadError> haha banggood really needs to check their email subjects
2015-10-12T11:03:50 < dongs> ReadError: so 15x15cm 4L for $100?
2015-10-12T11:03:52 < ReadError> Escam Week: $44.79 for Camera. Multi Version Runner 250 RC with Competitive Price.
2015-10-12T11:03:57 < ReadError> e scam week
2015-10-12T11:03:58 < dongs> escam week
2015-10-12T11:04:02 < dongs> isnt that every week @ banggood
2015-10-12T11:04:10 < ReadError> dongs yup
2015-10-12T11:04:18 < dongs> tho I suppose they're off the hook for now
2015-10-12T11:04:20 < dongs> since i got taranis
2015-10-12T11:04:22 < dongs> after like 3 months
2015-10-12T11:04:35 < dongs> ReadError: well, thats like $200+ cheaper htan wat it costs me locally
2015-10-12T11:04:36 < dongs> sux.
2015-10-12T11:04:39 < dongs> i;ll try it out next time
2015-10-12T11:05:01 < ReadError> yea for 6 days not bad
2015-10-12T11:05:09 < ReadError> you can combine orders for reduced shipping too
2015-10-12T11:08:14 < dongs> blown: i dont like you
2015-10-12T11:08:56 < dongs> that youre a pumper
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2015-10-12T11:11:37 < ReadError> channel flow = 90% blogging 10% topic
2015-10-12T11:11:51 < dongs> gotta increase the blogging to topic ratio
2015-10-12T11:11:53 < dongs> 90 is way too low
2015-10-12T11:12:00 < dongs> push it into high 95s
2015-10-12T11:12:15 < emeryth> and the topic is zano of course
2015-10-12T11:12:24 < dongs> indeed
2015-10-12T11:12:29 < dongs> well this is some bizzare shit
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2015-10-12T11:13:12 < dongs> got a mpu6050 with non-working acc
2015-10-12T11:13:36 < dongs> gotta solder up swd and see wtf is up
2015-10-12T11:17:40 < dongs> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.116.155
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2015-10-12T11:22:05 < dongs> well, thats bizzare
2015-10-12T11:22:10 < dongs> it responds as MPU3k
2015-10-12T11:23:21 < qyx> OMG audio/video streaming model
2015-10-12T11:24:21 < ReadError> dongs korea responded again, they will handle panelization too for the 100$ deal
2015-10-12T11:24:28 < ReadError> Please send us your gerber file. We will recommend the good panel to you and us.
2015-10-12T11:28:38 < dongs> sounds like you found your new cloneshop
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2015-10-12T11:32:22 < ReadError> ya
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2015-10-12T11:37:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/WdrPxWi.jpg
2015-10-12T11:37:49 < dongs> so this little nig is actually MPU3050
2015-10-12T11:37:57 < ReadError> 4
2015-10-12T11:38:36 < ReadError> dongs china scammed?
2015-10-12T11:39:00 < dongs> not sure! its my board and there's only about 5 like this so far out of ~1k
2015-10-12T11:39:59 < ReadError> led codes probably after flash
2015-10-12T11:40:08 < ReadError> maybe
2015-10-12T11:40:40 < dongs> PeterM: stoner battery holder trash is DONE
2015-10-12T11:40:44 < dongs> on the way to chinagirl
2015-10-12T11:42:35 < PaulFertser> What's better: brandy or weed?
2015-10-12T11:42:57 < ReadError> why choose when you can have both?
2015-10-12T11:43:03 < ReadError> snoopdawg
2015-10-12T11:43:28 < PaulFertser> Haha. Unfortunately, they do not have neither at work here :/ Not even beer.
2015-10-12T11:46:35 < dongs> getting stoned is bad for you
2015-10-12T11:48:47 < rigid> is there any "state of the art" for low-profile encryption/authentication on MCUs?
2015-10-12T11:49:39 < dongs> Wait what? The instructions actually shows propellers that are too large to fit on the zano? And the "solution" is that the user has to - even is instructed to - fiddle around with precisely how far down each propeller is pressed onto each motor spindle??
2015-10-12T11:49:40 < rigid> Most IoT projects I see, either use fullblown SoC's or simply don't encrypt at all
2015-10-12T11:49:43 < dongs> Honestly? :? £214.50...
2015-10-12T11:49:53 < dongs> rigid: some stm32s have hardware aes/etc.
2015-10-12T11:50:33 < dongs> scam control scheme
2015-10-12T11:50:47 < rigid> dongs: ah cool, thanks
2015-10-12T11:51:03 < dongs> none of them have anything to optimize elliptic curve stuff, so that will be slow
2015-10-12T11:51:09 < dongs> but for stream encoding there's aes and some otehr junk
2015-10-12T11:52:16 < dongs> Ah, come on. Was the Zano developed in a bubble? Were props not developed at the same time? They're pretty essential for flight. Why was I allowed to buy extra props from the store if they're not even developed yet?
2015-10-12T11:52:20 < dongs> jaja
2015-10-12T11:53:49 < emeryth> rigid: there's the PolarSSL library that was bought by ARM recently
2015-10-12T11:54:12 < emeryth> and a couple other libs for mcus
2015-10-12T11:54:16 < Ecco> well, they're in the IP business after all
2015-10-12T11:54:55 < dongs> arm bought polarssl eh
2015-10-12T11:59:32 < jpa-> AES is pretty trivial in software also
2015-10-12T11:59:38 < dongs> for sure
2015-10-12T11:59:43 < dongs> but when its free in hardware
2015-10-12T11:59:45 < dongs> i dont see why not
2015-10-12T11:59:47 < jpa-> sure
2015-10-12T12:00:05 < jpa-> but not like the reason not to encrypt is the lack of hardware - more like lack of bother
2015-10-12T12:00:13 < dongs> yea sire
2015-10-12T12:00:15 < dongs> sure
2015-10-12T12:00:21 < dongs> any dongs that wanna protect thier l33t firmware will encrypt anyway
2015-10-12T12:00:27 < dongs> like zano
2015-10-12T12:00:54 < rigid> emeryth: too heavyweight :) i think about really low-profile MCUs, actually the bare minimal that is needed for secure communication/authentication.
2015-10-12T12:00:58 < jpa-> yeah, seems like more often it is important to protect manufacturer's ipr than user's data
2015-10-12T12:01:28 < emeryth> rigid: if you want security you have to go all the way
2015-10-12T12:01:59 < emeryth> you can't have a "lightweight" cipher that is secure
2015-10-12T12:02:07 < rigid> jpa-: I found an AES implementation from atmel which looks quite lightweight... https://github.com/elektronika-ba/ctrl-esp8266-v0.9.4/blob/master/user/aes.c
2015-10-12T12:02:29 < dongs> yeah that just looks like regular aes.c
2015-10-12T12:02:34 < dongs> you can also take a look at libtomcrypt
2015-10-12T12:02:40 < dongs> i think it has a decent / simple aes
2015-10-12T12:02:51 < dongs> but yeah or just copy somethin from tarduino/esp
2015-10-12T12:03:45 < rigid> emeryth: it depends on what you want and what compromises can be made. I know that a simple rolling code encryption can't perform as sophisticated key-exchange methods for example
2015-10-12T12:04:11 < ReadError> dongs whats a good soldermask expansion to go w/ in general
2015-10-12T12:04:16 < ReadError> i always been using like, 0 or 1
2015-10-12T12:04:21 < ReadError> (mil)
2015-10-12T12:04:25 < rigid> dongs: ah, libtomcrypt also looks good
2015-10-12T12:04:26 < dongs> errr
2015-10-12T12:04:45 < dongs> ReadError: that sounds way too low
2015-10-12T12:04:54 < ReadError> ya i know, been doing it wrong
2015-10-12T12:06:54 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3GrI1hqf8 new german video
2015-10-12T12:07:01 < dongs> compilations of fails and then some more shit after
2015-10-12T12:07:04 < dongs> not sure what hes doing there
2015-10-12T12:08:18 < dongs> o shit 5:30 hes gonn try flying it again
2015-10-12T12:09:51 < dongs> 8:00 o shit it "flew"
2015-10-12T12:11:22 < dongs> hahah 9:34 obstacle avoidance
2015-10-12T12:11:41 < dongs> lol props fell off
2015-10-12T12:12:55 < Ecco> LOL
2015-10-12T12:13:04 < Ecco> THere's like a fucking single obstacle miles around
2015-10-12T12:13:11 < Ecco> that shit heads straight towards it :-D
2015-10-12T12:13:48 < Steffann> Is zano even supposes to do avoidance yet?
2015-10-12T12:13:53 < dongs> Steffann: of course
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2015-10-12T12:14:13 < dongs> Steffann: 13:22 screenshot of app
2015-10-12T12:14:21 < dongs> those green "bars" around the edges are obstacle
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2015-10-12T12:15:29 < Steffann> The  not so serious music fits the video perfectly
2015-10-12T12:15:50 < dongs> i have speakers off
2015-10-12T12:16:19 < dongs> https://youtu.be/7n3GrI1hqf8?t=180
2015-10-12T12:16:25 < dongs> so many dip headers
2015-10-12T12:16:30 < dongs> thier assembler must fufcking love them to death
2015-10-12T12:16:35 < dongs> to handsolder all that garbage
2015-10-12T12:16:40 < dongs> they can't dip them either
2015-10-12T12:16:44 < dongs> cuz there's PTH on both sides
2015-10-12T12:18:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEGQLLaRPJQ
2015-10-12T12:19:11 < dongs> mrphotomanTIM   15 hours ago
2015-10-12T12:19:11 < dongs> i thought it was an hd camera?  it is only capable of 18fps and 640x480?  $18 china quads can do 2mp hd video, this is terrible.
2015-10-12T12:19:14 < dongs> hahaha
2015-10-12T12:19:49 < Steffann> Kickstarter project gone scam
2015-10-12T12:20:54 < dongs> blown: they got 2.3million gbp
2015-10-12T12:20:59 < dongs> to come up wiht that piece of shit
2015-10-12T12:21:11 < dongs> and they pissed it away on dumb stuff.
2015-10-12T12:21:39 < Steffann> Solar roadways is already a real thing here in dutchland
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2015-10-12T12:27:11 < dongs> ReadError: fucking mouser shorted me on teh shipment
2015-10-12T12:27:14 < dongs> backordered liek 170
2015-10-12T12:27:15 < dongs> aidsss
2015-10-12T12:27:39 < ReadError> stock # wrong?
2015-10-12T12:27:48 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-12T12:27:52 < dongs> since i bought the last of it
2015-10-12T12:32:41 < Steffanx> No night here atm
2015-10-12T12:33:57 < akaWolf> openocd?
2015-10-12T12:34:50 < ReadError> ive been quite impressed with the openocd and eclipse plugins
2015-10-12T12:35:27 < ReadError> this is in chibistudio
2015-10-12T12:35:40 < ReadError> but i guess they are all avail separately
2015-10-12T12:35:47 < akaWolf> I've been quite aggrieved Eclipse et all
2015-10-12T12:36:03 < akaWolf> but for beginning it should be good decition
2015-10-12T12:55:25 < qyx> lol that video
2015-10-12T12:55:37 < qyx> it is continuously drifting
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2015-10-12T13:25:50 < mtbg> what is the device they always have on this zano videos?
2015-10-12T13:26:06 < mtbg> the one that is being moved on 0:26 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEGQLLaRPJQ
2015-10-12T13:27:50 < Steffanx> E cigaret?
2015-10-12T13:28:19 < karlp> oh hell yes! 07:53 < Steffanx> Except for the fan of the 1052e
2015-10-12T13:28:22 < karlp> so fucking loud
2015-10-12T13:28:40 < mtbg> that is what I thought
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2015-10-12T13:29:26 < dongs> mtbg: looks like some vape/stoner shit
2015-10-12T13:29:32 < mtbg> but the other guy has identical one
2015-10-12T13:29:36 < dongs> haha
2015-10-12T13:29:46 < dongs> zano owners: stoners
2015-10-12T13:30:00 < PaulFertser> Isn't that a good feature in your book?
2015-10-12T13:31:17 < dongs> Re: Zano -- Good Experience Thread
2015-10-12T13:31:18 < dongs> Unread postby Bardomeister » 8 minutes ago
2015-10-12T13:31:19 < dongs> So... no good experiences at all?
2015-10-12T13:31:20 < dongs> lol
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2015-10-12T13:33:02 < Steffanx> You should post a large "told you so" on that jappy scam report website
2015-10-12T13:33:19 < dongs> which one
2015-10-12T13:34:10 < Steffanx> Dont remember, or wasnt it jappy.. Could have been blocked for jappies website
2015-10-12T13:34:21 < dongs> blocked for jappies
2015-10-12T13:34:25 < dongs> so i cant do much
2015-10-12T13:35:06 < dongs> hey it works from jp now
2015-10-12T13:36:02 < karlp> PaulFertser: you could ask the sigrok guys for power supplies, they look at all sorts of them for remote control, get to see a lot.
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2015-10-12T13:37:55 < PaulFertser> karlp: thanks
2015-10-12T13:44:28 < dongs> remote control?
2015-10-12T13:44:51 < karlp> not having to use the knobs
2015-10-12T13:45:57 < dongs> oic
2015-10-12T13:46:08 < dongs> wouldnt this be just standard gpib/whatever lxi shit thats like *standard*
2015-10-12T13:46:15 < dongs> or are you talking about some ancient garbage thats been discontinued for decades
2015-10-12T13:46:50 < dongs> sigrok more like collection of obsolete
2015-10-12T13:47:37 < karlp> yeahm gpib/lxi/scpi
2015-10-12T13:47:52 < karlp> that "standard" that only defines the syntax of the commands, not the commands themselves :)
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2015-10-12T14:43:44 < jpa-> dongs: check out Laurenceb's kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1649613507/the-self-re-charging-ups-12-kw-max-timeless-autono
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2015-10-12T14:50:58 < elektrinis> lol.
2015-10-12T14:51:45 < elektrinis> they do know, that battery's self-discharge ir much higher than ambient radiation?
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2015-10-12T14:53:22 < jpa-> why would you need a battery, they have 4000 receiver coils and that gives 140W of free energy!
2015-10-12T14:54:33 < elektrinis> I thought you don't need that many coils, tin foil had is more than enough.
2015-10-12T14:54:38 < elektrinis> hat*
2015-10-12T14:54:45 < BrainDamage> >the LAUPS takes 13hours to recharge completely from typical ambient WIFI and radio sources not more than 20 meters and 100 meters away respectively of combined minimum energy intensities of 50mw per square centimeters
2015-10-12T14:55:19 < qyx> 50mW per square centimeter?
2015-10-12T14:55:26 < BrainDamage> 500W/m^2 RF power density? do they live in an industrial oven?
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2015-10-12T14:55:40 < jpa-> it just assumes a 2.5 megawatt WiFi access point
2015-10-12T14:55:49 < jpa-> totally reasonable, even though mine is only 1 megawatt
2015-10-12T14:56:12 < ReadError> lol it sounds like they just made a case
2015-10-12T14:56:13 < emeryth> damn hacked openwrt routers
2015-10-12T14:56:22 < ReadError> and forgot that its supposed to do something else
2015-10-12T14:56:30 < qyx> 1MW openwrt hacked routers
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2015-10-12T14:57:37 < ReadError> also all the links to their 'aluminum 3d printer' place go to a domain thats forsale
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2015-10-12T15:02:01 < dongs> jpa-: rofl
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2015-10-12T15:05:13 < Steffann> not all of them ReadError . For some reason the text is not the same as the href for the non-functional domains
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2015-10-12T15:09:33 < dongs> hmmm
2015-10-12T15:09:39 < dongs> now that zano 3D files are out
2015-10-12T15:09:42 < dongs> maybe i should make a clone pcb
2015-10-12T15:10:02 < Sync> doeet
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2015-10-12T15:12:59 < dongs> When fully discharged, the LAUPS takes 13hours to recharge completely from typical ambient WIFI and radio sources not more than 20 meters and 100 meters away respectively of combined minimum energy intensities of 50mw per square centimeters.
2015-10-12T15:13:03 < dongs> haha
2015-10-12T15:13:11 < dongs> a normal fuicking UPS takes this long
2015-10-12T15:13:14 < dongs> to recharge from mains
2015-10-12T15:13:59 < chris_99> heh, apparently you'd only get 26.5mW/m2 from a 30mW AP @ 30cm
2015-10-12T15:25:10 < ReadError> PeterM HK renegged the free shipping scam
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2015-10-12T15:26:40 < dongs> renennged?
2015-10-12T15:27:30 < ReadError> renegotiated
2015-10-12T15:27:56 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__80908__Multistar_High_Capacity_6S_20000mAh_Multi_Rotor_Lipo_Pack_US_Warehouse_.html still cant fucking add this to ship to alaska
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2015-10-12T15:42:44 < ReadError> call up Mr. Hand
2015-10-12T15:42:47 < ReadError> get things moving
2015-10-12T15:43:19 < dongs> I don't have a redphone to them
2015-10-12T15:44:01 < Laurenceb> Mr. Hands?
2015-10-12T15:45:26 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_%28film%29
2015-10-12T15:56:12 < ReadError> dongs http://i.snag.gy/7hHL1.jpg you think this would be too hard to picknplace?
2015-10-12T15:56:22 < ReadError> or do they do the lowest height components first
2015-10-12T15:57:49 < dongs> of course its sorted by type, and generally chip parts r/c are down first then it goes to another line for qfn/etc stuff. in proper places that is.
2015-10-12T15:57:53 < Laurenceb> too hard to route
2015-10-12T15:57:56 < Laurenceb> like wtf
2015-10-12T15:58:15 < ReadError> huh its routed
2015-10-12T15:58:17 < Laurenceb> should pick and place fine
2015-10-12T15:58:23 < Laurenceb> how many layers?
2015-10-12T15:58:26 < ReadError> 4
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2015-10-12T15:58:32 < Laurenceb> inpressive
2015-10-12T16:01:59 < jpa-> hm, next work assignment: reverse-engineer this undocumented encrypted spread sprectrum radio protocol
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2015-10-12T16:02:43 < dongs> sounds like they're finally paying you to do something useful
2015-10-12T16:03:36 < jpa-> nah, i probably won't have time to do that because other client wants me to "upgrade these tests for new device, so that we can say to boss that we have 300 test cases".. even though most of the tests are irrelevant for the new device
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2015-10-12T16:08:05 < kakimir> what is that readerror?
2015-10-12T16:08:25 < ReadError> some osd daughterboard
2015-10-12T16:08:36 < dongs> So i bought 25 meters of astroturf
2015-10-12T16:08:47 < kakimir> osd?
2015-10-12T16:08:56 < dongs> kakimir: hes cloning some tarduino trash
2015-10-12T16:09:12 < kakimir> oh
2015-10-12T16:10:26 < ReadError> but the motherboard is original and stm
2015-10-12T16:11:18 < dongs> "original"
2015-10-12T16:11:42 < ReadError> yes
2015-10-12T16:14:11 < kakimir> life is too short for cloning trash dongs
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2015-10-12T16:39:40 < Ecco> ReadError: Impressive board
2015-10-12T16:39:42 < Ecco> What is it?
2015-10-12T16:39:57 < Ecco> I'm especially intrigued by the gold connectors on the sides
2015-10-12T16:40:31 < ReadError> oh its going to mate to another board
2015-10-12T16:40:40 < Ecco> And also, why are the pads in the middle so huge (for what looks like caps and resistors)?
2015-10-12T16:40:42 < ReadError> those hangover pads will be cut off
2015-10-12T16:40:58 < ReadError> castellated vias
2015-10-12T16:41:02 < Ecco> oh ok
2015-10-12T16:41:50 < ReadError> not sure how to make altium respect the board online and remove in the 3d thing
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2015-10-12T16:52:29 < englishman> shameless cloner
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2015-10-12T16:55:25 < Ecco> but what the hell is this board?
2015-10-12T16:55:51 < Ecco> :-D
2015-10-12T16:55:55 < Ecco> Indeed, hence the question :)
2015-10-12T16:56:51 < englishman> max7456 and two switching dcdcs
2015-10-12T16:56:59 < englishman> and a tardumega
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2015-10-12T17:08:28 < Taxman> does one know what the bare essentials are to get a F429 working?
2015-10-12T17:08:38 < Taxman> vdd is present, vcore is not present
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2015-10-12T17:11:27 < zyp> huh?
2015-10-12T17:11:40 < zyp> Taxman, please clarify
2015-10-12T17:11:48 < Taxman> i thought the chip is gone so i replaced it
2015-10-12T17:12:04 < Taxman> VDD is 3.3V from the buck converter
2015-10-12T17:12:13 < Taxman> 3.3V
2015-10-12T17:12:27 < Taxman> VCORE is 0.0V measured at the external caps
2015-10-12T17:12:46 < zyp> which chip is this?
2015-10-12T17:12:48 < Taxman> it does not draw any significant current
2015-10-12T17:12:54 < Taxman> F429, this time Rev 1
2015-10-12T17:13:00 < zyp> but which package?
2015-10-12T17:13:20 < Taxman> 144 pin lqfp, pdr_on connected to VDD
2015-10-12T17:15:19 < zyp> hmm, weird, qfp144 doesn't have bypass_reg, so you can't turn off internal reg
2015-10-12T17:17:00 < zyp> Taxman, so, are you saying you have this problem on two different chips?
2015-10-12T17:17:08 < Taxman> yes :(
2015-10-12T17:17:16 < zyp> okay
2015-10-12T17:17:22 < zyp> so something is wrong
2015-10-12T17:17:25 < emeryth> did it work before?
2015-10-12T17:17:31 < zyp> have you hooked up vdda/vssa properly?
2015-10-12T17:17:43 < Taxman> it was a tremendous effort to replace the chip
2015-10-12T17:17:52 < Taxman> it worked until a few days ago
2015-10-12T17:18:43 < zyp> do you have a schematic we can look at?
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2015-10-12T17:22:08 < Taxman> hold on
2015-10-12T17:22:52 < Taxman> horrible
2015-10-12T17:23:10 < Taxman> there is a ferrite beat between vdd and vdda
2015-10-12T17:23:43 < Taxman> where almost the whole vdd voltage is dropped
2015-10-12T17:23:54 < zyp> haha, what
2015-10-12T17:24:09 < zyp> sounds like it failed somehow
2015-10-12T17:24:32 < zyp> and vdda is not allowed to be lower than vdd, so this is probably related to your problem
2015-10-12T17:24:56 < gxti> lol wut
2015-10-12T17:25:25 < gxti> oh i misread, thought you said vss and vdda
2015-10-12T17:26:20 < zyp> people have been burned before by messing up vdda
2015-10-12T17:26:51 < zyp> I think Laurenceb tried to do some sleep tricks once and fucked up
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2015-10-12T17:26:55 < zyp> but I don't remember the details
2015-10-12T17:27:22 < gxti> i mean, my first guess is that the bead is fine and something else is shorting vdda
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2015-10-12T17:28:59 < Taxman> now i bridget the ferrite bead and it works again
2015-10-12T17:29:03 < Taxman> thanks for assistance
2015-10-12T17:29:11 < gxti> hmmmm
2015-10-12T17:29:23 < gxti> i would try bridging it with a multimeter in current mode
2015-10-12T17:29:29 < gxti> and make sure it's not drawing over 9000 mA.
2015-10-12T17:29:37 < zyp> 16:12:48 < Taxman> it does not draw any significant current
2015-10-12T17:29:46 < gxti> oh. never mind then
2015-10-12T17:29:47 < Taxman> hehe it is powered by usb
2015-10-12T17:29:50 < gxti> buy better beads next time
2015-10-12T17:29:51 < gxti> :P
2015-10-12T17:30:20 < Taxman> there are 2A fuses on the mainboard
2015-10-12T17:31:01 < Taxman> and the thin copper wires in the usb do a further current limiting to a sane level
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2015-10-12T17:40:13 < Laurenceb> yeah i tried turning off VDDA during sleep
2015-10-12T17:40:38 < Laurenceb> didnt fry the F1, but it wouldnt wake until a manually applied VDDA with a jumper
2015-10-12T17:41:04 < Laurenceb> now I use a FET to disconnect the analogue stuff during sleep
2015-10-12T17:41:11 < Laurenceb> to save current
2015-10-12T17:42:00 < upgrdman_> would turning off the gpio/adc/dac clocks not have the same effect?
2015-10-12T17:42:15 < Laurenceb> erm
2015-10-12T17:42:22 < Laurenceb> I have a ton of opamps and shit
2015-10-12T17:42:28 < Laurenceb> thats what I need to turn off
2015-10-12T17:42:29 < gxti> i presume the point was to shed load outside of the cpu, and it just happened to be connected to vdda
2015-10-12T17:43:01 < Laurenceb> the "tricky" bit is turning off your analogue without frying anything
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2015-10-12T18:02:10 < Steffanx> shutdown current wasn't low enough?
2015-10-12T18:02:58 < Steffanx> only possible when you use opamps etc. with shutdown ofcourse
2015-10-12T18:03:50 < Laurenceb> yeah no shutdown on my opamps
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2015-10-12T18:38:08 < karlp> hoo-ray, 10k pullup on a button doesn't always work. 4k7 does.  awesome, never thought I'd see that difference.
2015-10-12T18:38:25 < karlp> stupid modules with internal shits behind the "pins" you can't see
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2015-10-12T19:56:40 < Laurenceb> murica
2015-10-12T19:56:42 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lethal_weapon#/media/File:Sprayed_in_the_face_with_Oleoresin_Capsicum_before_undergoing_the_OC_spray_certification_course_being_held_aboard_the_Marine_Corps_Base_Camp.jpg
2015-10-12T19:57:51 < ReadError> yea? most places do that
2015-10-12T19:59:24 < Laurenceb> i want to see the lethal weapons instructor doing similar demo
2015-10-12T20:04:51 < Steffanx> im surprised you said nothing about the ginger part Laurenceb
2015-10-12T20:05:13 < Laurenceb> typical victim
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2015-10-12T20:17:04 < englishman> pretty normal in army to run thru the gas hut
2015-10-12T20:17:08 < englishman> its training
2015-10-12T20:20:23 < BrainDamage> they used to use tear gas before that
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2015-10-12T20:41:12 < Steffanx> not only running through, also getting on your gas mask while the hut is getting filled with gas
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2015-10-12T21:09:08 < upgrdman_> oops. setting a dma transfer size of zero, then starting the transfer... the transfer will never finish.
2015-10-12T21:09:24 < upgrdman_> (on lpc mcu)
2015-10-12T21:10:34 < bvernoux> upgrdman_, yes because he has never started ;)
2015-10-12T21:11:01 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-10-12T21:11:38 < bvernoux> IIRC it is the same on STM32
2015-10-12T21:11:52 < upgrdman_> k
2015-10-12T21:12:17 < bvernoux> if it will say transfer finish it will be like a bug too ;)
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2015-10-12T22:16:12 < scrts> http://www.commitstrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Strip-HomeSysAdmin-650-finalenglish.jpg
2015-10-12T22:17:59 < kakimir> crappy IOT future on our doorsteps
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2015-10-12T22:33:14 < mtbg> and how much of the devices will be easily DoS-able
2015-10-12T22:33:39 < mtbg> when available from outside
2015-10-12T22:34:19 < mtbg> unless they will be connecting to vendor's CDN and not listening for connections
2015-10-12T22:34:23 < mtbg> which is even worse
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2015-10-12T22:45:21 < BrainDamage> most internet of dicks actually have that pattern
2015-10-12T22:45:33 < BrainDamage> because people are too stupid to port forward
2015-10-12T22:46:15 < BrainDamage> altough with ipv6 eliminating nat, i wonder how many unsecured services which listened on /0 will suddendly be exposed to the world
2015-10-12T22:46:30 < BrainDamage> we'll be back with win98 with c:\ shared by default
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2015-10-12T23:02:30 < gxti> only people just clever enough to deliberately turn off the firewall without understanding the consequences will have that problem
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2015-10-12T23:11:37 < mtbg> a friend shown me this link: http://esp8266.solusipse.net/
2015-10-12T23:12:20 < mtbg> and as far as I can see, 5 connections pending receiving headers is just enough to DoS this device
2015-10-12T23:12:26 < mtbg> for the time they are open
2015-10-12T23:12:33 < mtbg> which costs absolutely nothing
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2015-10-13T01:30:46 < BrainDamage> usual scam bashing link: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/the-ubeam-faq/ ( yeah, eeblag sucks, but it's a good article nonetheless )
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2015-10-13T01:34:40 < upgrdman_> any statistic pros awake? i need a gaussian random number, with mean of 2 and std dev of 0.2   ...   if i have a random gaussian that has a mean of 0 and std dev of 1, is this correct: (randGauss / 5) + 2   ?
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2015-10-13T01:41:56 < upgrdman_> bbl. if anyone knows, please answer. i'll check the logs.
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2015-10-13T01:52:45 < zyp> I believe so
2015-10-13T01:58:35 < zyp> division/multiplication scales the entire distribution around 0, addition transposes the distribution
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2015-10-13T02:43:46 < kakimir> how should jtag debug lines look between chip and circuit?
2015-10-13T02:44:03 < kakimir> pull ups?
2015-10-13T02:44:17 < kakimir> chip and jtag connector
2015-10-13T02:46:43 < kakimir> so complicated
2015-10-13T02:47:50 < kakimir> http://www.microbuilder.eu/Images/Projects/lpc2148refdesign_overview_JTAG.jpg why would I want to use something this bloat voluntary
2015-10-13T02:51:41 < Sync> because some devices only have it
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2015-10-13T02:52:31 < zyp> older chips often required external pullups, newer chips usually have built ones, that's my experience
2015-10-13T02:53:21 < zyp> and then you have a bunch of guys that keeps adding external pullups out of tradition
2015-10-13T02:53:42 < kakimir> when I want to play with swd should I leave pull up to trst or jumper it down?
2015-10-13T02:54:15 < kakimir> do anyone know by the way how to change to swd with openocd?
2015-10-13T02:54:46 < zyp> wat?
2015-10-13T02:54:47 < kakimir> transport select swd
2015-10-13T02:55:09 < zyp> why do you even have trst connected?
2015-10-13T02:56:23 < kakimir> it's not connected to anything but jumper and pull up resistor
2015-10-13T02:56:40 < kakimir> because no idea how to play with it
2015-10-13T02:57:15 < zyp> in swd mode it's not used for anything, so for all it matters you could feed garbage to it
2015-10-13T03:00:25 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/j4s38Xgs
2015-10-13T03:01:04 < kakimir> I'm doing it wrong maybe
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2015-10-13T03:01:21 < zyp> when something doesn't work, that's usually the case
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2015-10-13T03:09:22 < kakimir> adjusted jlink.cfg with line "transport select swd"
2015-10-13T03:09:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0r8tApt.gifv lol
2015-10-13T03:09:59 < dongs> < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/j4s38Xgs
2015-10-13T03:10:00 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/KVLLVwcN
2015-10-13T03:10:02 < dongs> ...................................................
2015-10-13T03:10:03 < dongs> why
2015-10-13T03:10:04 < dongs> the
2015-10-13T03:10:08 < dongs> fuck would you use openaids with jlink???
2015-10-13T03:10:14 < dongs> just use its gdbserver
2015-10-13T03:10:18 < dongs> and skip openocd trash completely
2015-10-13T03:10:36 < dongs> the whole point of jlink is it doesnt need openocd
2015-10-13T03:12:28 < kakimir> they don't like scrubs
2015-10-13T03:13:36 < kakimir> linux version of their tools autobricks immidiately
2015-10-13T03:13:44 < dongs> sux 4 u
2015-10-13T03:14:04 < kakimir> sucks to suck your dong
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2015-10-13T03:21:50 < ds2> speaking of jlink... is there any cheap sources for their adapter boards/cables?
2015-10-13T03:25:43 < dongs> the only one you need arm-jtag-20-10 from olimex
2015-10-13T03:26:48 < kakimir> made one adapter myself for that miniature connector
2015-10-13T03:27:02 < kakimir> 1.27mm cortex connector
2015-10-13T03:27:05 < kakimir> pain
2015-10-13T03:27:17 < ds2> that looks useful
2015-10-13T03:27:38 < kakimir> dongs is right
2015-10-13T03:27:58 < kakimir> you should not have anything but that
2015-10-13T03:28:17 < ds2> well...
2015-10-13T03:28:22 < ds2> I do other things besides cortex-m
2015-10-13T03:29:13 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/J-link-JTAG-Adapter-Converter-ULINK2-Emulator-V8-all-ARM-for-TQ2440-MINI2440-/311370327384
2015-10-13T03:29:35 < kakimir> that bottom looks like 1.27mm but it's actually 2mm
2015-10-13T03:31:06 < kakimir> haven't used once
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2015-10-13T03:38:45 < GargantuaSauce> 2mm is the worst
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2015-10-13T03:56:27 < dongs> Invoice number(.....: 902093662204
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2015-10-13T03:59:25 < dongs> disregard that i suck cocks
2015-10-13T03:59:49 < Sync> obv
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2015-10-13T04:21:54 < dongs> Is it wrong ?
2015-10-13T04:21:54 < dongs> That my Zano is sitting at the post office waiting to be picked up, and I cant be bothered to go pick it up.
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2015-10-13T04:22:22 < dongs> If this was 2 weeks ago I would've been down there like a shot, but having been reading about everybody else's problems & faults with Zano's in the last week or so, I've kinda lost interest & I'm almost tempted to offer it for sale for cost.
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2015-10-13T04:25:20 < zyp> what problems are people having, apart from not getting what they were promised?
2015-10-13T04:28:04 < dongs> nothing works
2015-10-13T04:28:13 < dongs> < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3GrI1hqf8 new german video
2015-10-13T04:28:19 < dongs> here's a typical user experience
2015-10-13T04:28:50 < Getty> "her" problems... LOL
2015-10-13T04:28:58 < Getty> such a bitch, needs to be female? ;)
2015-10-13T04:37:27 < zyp> so, when's swarming?
2015-10-13T04:38:05 < dongs> haha
2015-10-13T04:38:11 < dongs> you think?
2015-10-13T04:38:16 < zyp> no :p
2015-10-13T04:38:29 < zyp> that thing looks less stable than the little hubsan thing I've got
2015-10-13T04:38:32 < zyp> way less
2015-10-13T04:39:19 < dongs> yeah, its awful
2015-10-13T04:39:33 < dongs> CX-10 is waaay better and stable
2015-10-13T04:39:53 < zyp> I mean, technical limitations aside, how the fuck is it that unstable?
2015-10-13T04:40:10 < dongs> cuz they twrote their own sin/cos in asm
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2015-10-13T05:18:27 < dongs> Hi my zano came today checked it over props at the right hight battery charged all set up lovely.... but then everytime I launch it flies backwards sometimes getting above 3ft other times 30cm. It won't hover just flies backwards.so glad I tested it in my kids trampoline first. I changed batteries to the 450 and it seams a bit better but still goes backwards bit just a bit higher. Has anyone else had this?
2015-10-13T05:18:42 < dongs> newsflash: off-center battery in a smallquad actually DOES make a diference
2015-10-13T05:21:45 < zyp> eh, if the filters actually worked it should be able to compensate as long as it has enough control authority
2015-10-13T05:22:53 < zyp> heh
2015-10-13T05:23:19 < zyp> there were a 2.1 magnitude earthquake in norway earlier today and people are going crazy
2015-10-13T05:23:26 < dongs> I done a quick indoor flight it powered up then down first time, second time it flew straight into my wall propeller and leg came off but thanks to wissels video i've got it all back on. Haven't gone for a second test flight yet just hoping to see your answers to this thread post first.
2015-10-13T05:24:06 < zyp> http://gfx.nrk.no//LsVaHQoC_C6wGU8cLCNCeAMy7KoE_QPmww3OJTCk-pzA <- people called the police over cracks in the road
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2015-10-13T05:24:16 < zyp> they concluded «uh, these are old»
2015-10-13T05:24:19 < dongs> heh
2015-10-13T05:24:29 < dongs> 1. I've noticed on a flat surface the camera seems to keep moving up and down quite slightly.
2015-10-13T05:25:23 < ds2> who felt the 2.1 EQ?
2015-10-13T05:25:49 < zyp> bunch of people
2015-10-13T05:25:52 < zyp> up in the middle of norway
2015-10-13T05:25:57 < zyp> too far away from where I live
2015-10-13T05:26:18 < dongs> 2.1 is like business in usual
2015-10-13T05:26:18 < dongs> in jp
2015-10-13T05:26:23 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-13T05:26:29 < dongs> An earthquake with magnitude 4.9 occurred near Ishigaki-jima, Ryukyu Islands, Japan at 00:17:54.90 UTC on Oct 13, 2015 ...
2015-10-13T05:26:32 < dongs> 2 hours ago . U.S. Geological Survey
2015-10-13T05:26:41 < dongs> just googled japan earthquake and that thing came up on google alerts
2015-10-13T05:26:52 < zyp> I was in tokyo during a 6.8 once, was cool to see the entire buildings shaking
2015-10-13T05:27:17 < zyp> and a bunch of other ones
2015-10-13T05:27:27 < dongs> apparently trhere was some english teacher
2015-10-13T05:27:32 < dongs> who was fucking around with pals
2015-10-13T05:27:39 < dongs> and he was like "watch this"
2015-10-13T05:27:44 < dongs> and was getting ready to rip a fart
2015-10-13T05:27:49 < ds2> didn't think a 2.1 is noticeable
2015-10-13T05:27:54 < dongs> and right as he did, a smallish earthquake happened
2015-10-13T05:27:59 < zyp> haha
2015-10-13T05:28:14 < zyp> ds2, I wouldn't think so either
2015-10-13T05:31:07 < zyp> but people in the news are all like «this must have been really powerful» and «it was scary»
2015-10-13T05:31:49 < dongs> HEH
2015-10-13T05:31:59 < dongs> waht did the SYRIANS think
2015-10-13T05:34:11 < zyp> idk, apparently they are busy getting stuffed into an old nuclear shelter built into a mountain
2015-10-13T05:35:23 < zyp> http://gfx.nrk.no//QAGaK8RUI4FQCJhwwY1rpQFKoVlKXauJ3tHISyKRxPDA
2015-10-13T05:35:41 < dongs> is that the entire population of norway
2015-10-13T05:35:46 < zyp> yep
2015-10-13T05:36:20 < englishman> no wheere will the trolls live
2015-10-13T05:37:16 < upgrdman> zyp: re: gauss, thx
2015-10-13T05:39:44 < dongs> gauss more like gas
2015-10-13T05:40:32 < upgrdman> ass gas
2015-10-13T05:42:59 < dongs> is starwarez gonna be amaze
2015-10-13T05:43:00 < dongs> or trash
2015-10-13T05:43:58 < upgrdman> is there a new episode coming out
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2015-10-13T05:44:05 < dongs> something in december
2015-10-13T05:44:05 < dongs> i think
2015-10-13T05:44:08 < upgrdman> like epison -1
2015-10-13T05:44:12 < upgrdman> episode*
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2015-10-13T05:53:39 < dongs> a bit stoned
2015-10-13T05:53:44 < dongs> dicknplacing furiosuly
2015-10-13T05:54:01 < emeb_mac> chunka-chunka
2015-10-13T05:54:14 < emeb_mac> creating the future - today!
2015-10-13T05:55:14 < dongs> creating the dong
2015-10-13T06:06:03 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/HGlr1BY.jpg
2015-10-13T06:14:32 < upgrdman> found R2COM  http://imgur.com/vjWszip
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2015-10-13T06:46:33 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/RCpps3l.gifv
2015-10-13T06:47:20 < dongs> appropriate
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2015-10-13T07:06:42 < englishman> dongs
2015-10-13T07:06:43 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving?ref=nav_search
2015-10-13T07:06:45 < englishman> $4m
2015-10-13T07:06:46 < englishman> and suspended
2015-10-13T07:06:55 < dongs> saw
2015-10-13T07:07:01 < englishman> ffff
2015-10-13T07:07:05 < dongs> seen it suspended when it said (suspended 3 minutes ago)
2015-10-13T07:07:09 < dongs> thats how pro i am
2015-10-13T07:07:20 < englishman> bs
2015-10-13T07:07:22 < englishman> you were sleepin
2015-10-13T07:07:25 < dongs> nope
2015-10-13T07:07:27 < dongs> wide awake
2015-10-13T07:07:45 < dongs> 5 hours ago is wat
2015-10-13T07:07:51 < dongs> 8am
2015-10-13T07:07:54 < englishman> oh nvm
2015-10-13T07:07:55 < dongs> yeah i was awake.
2015-10-13T07:09:27 < englishman> kickstarter turned down $320000 just like that
2015-10-13T07:10:31 < dongs> they shoulda turned down zano, too
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2015-10-13T07:35:44 < jpa-> hmm.. i wish there was some way to STATIC_ASSERT() that sizeof() of a struct is the same everywhere a header is included
2015-10-13T07:36:36 < jpa-> i sometimes get these bug reports where people compile some of their code with different compiler options/mode and then everything breaks down
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2015-10-13T07:37:30 < jubatus> if at all that is possible it will be in the linker
2015-10-13T07:37:42 < jubatus> i don't see how a compiler could track struct sizes across compilation units
2015-10-13T07:38:05 < jpa-> i agree.. something like having    const int MyFunnyStruct_size_is_50;
2015-10-13T07:38:31 < upgrdman> nice https://youtu.be/9LkgHB5bgmc?t=173
2015-10-13T07:38:43 < jpa-> and then in header  static int checksizes[] = {MyFunnyStruct_size_is_50};
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2015-10-13T09:09:12 < dongs> Why is everyone complaining about not receiving a Zano? Haven't you been reading the reports by the people who have received theirs? For most people, it doesn't get off the ground and if it does, the common complaints seems to be: battery falls out, propellers hit each other, it bangs into the wall, it stops working after it falls from the sky a few times, the picture/video quality is no very good, etc., etc.
2015-10-13T09:09:19 < dongs> I think the shipping issue is the least of our problems. Let's all just be happy we haven't received this not-ready-for-prime-time delivery, hope TG gets their act together and what we eventually get is something worth waiting for.
2015-10-13T09:14:36 < PaulFertser> That's what I call positive thinking! Rational, too.
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2015-10-13T09:25:45 < Roklobotomy> so zano arrives drunk.
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2015-10-13T09:42:52 < mtbg> skarp laser razor was suspended by kickstarter
2015-10-13T09:42:59 < mtbg> Kickstarter suspended the campaign on October 12, 2015, offering the following explanation in an email sent to backers: "After requesting and reviewing additional material from the creator of the project, we’ve concluded that it is in violation of our rule requiring working prototypes of physical products that are offered as rewards. Accordingly, all funding has been stopped and backers will not be charged for their pledges. No further action is required on your part.
2015-10-13T09:43:26 < mtbg> so they moved to indiegogo
2015-10-13T09:43:28 < mtbg> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving#/
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2015-10-13T10:04:24 < Roklobotomy> Do not shine laser razor in remaining good eye.
2015-10-13T10:05:33 < Mr_Sheesh> it just runs off one battery - It's not like it has enough power to cut hair
2015-10-13T10:06:20 < Roklobotomy> it must use that other project that extracts more energy from a dead battery.
2015-10-13T10:06:57 < mtbg> `or even two batteriser cascade
2015-10-13T10:07:02 < Mr_Sheesh> You'd have to melt the battery to get enough power out to really cut beards etc.
2015-10-13T10:07:05 < mtbg> so they get 64x the energy
2015-10-13T10:08:45 < Mr_Sheesh> Or just flat lie that you CAN make this, without a prototype, and market the heck out of it; Then move to another country, profit
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2015-10-13T10:22:03 < kakimir> looks quite ineffective
2015-10-13T10:36:57 < kakimir> screen -rd
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2015-10-13T10:44:04 < dongs> dongs
2015-10-13T10:49:35 < dongs> hmm shit
2015-10-13T10:49:40 < dongs> wehre is my zyp-stm32f429
2015-10-13T10:53:56 < Roklobotomy> dongs: you gonna main(){while(1){doshit();}} it or use an OS?
2015-10-13T10:55:22 < dongs> its for the nazocam
2015-10-13T10:55:27 < dongs> might use RTX
2015-10-13T10:55:30 < dongs> or maybe not
2015-10-13T10:55:34 < dongs> i gotta find the fucking chips first
2015-10-13T10:55:39 < dongs> or else the whole thing is doomed
2015-10-13T10:57:55 < dongs> this whole project was depending on me having like 20 free chips
2015-10-13T10:58:00 < dongs> cuz i wasnt gonna spend anyhting on it
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2015-10-13T11:05:33 < Roklobotomy> is nazocam something to try to actually do what zano failed to do?
2015-10-13T11:05:55 < dongs> yea
2015-10-13T11:06:16 < dongs> to get an actual 5mp iamge
2015-10-13T11:10:04 < Roklobotomy> you did the maths *first* this time.
2015-10-13T11:10:31 < Roklobotomy> you can use a zano fan to cool the cpu.
2015-10-13T11:16:46 < dongs> zyp_: ^ noticed tracking
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2015-10-13T12:13:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ovW5x0z.jpg
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2015-10-13T12:40:47 < jadew> that makes sense
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2015-10-13T13:11:24 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653856168402681856
2015-10-13T13:11:50 < Laurenceb> he is the /pol/ candidate
2015-10-13T13:13:38 < dongs> funny level: american politics
2015-10-13T13:13:50 < jadew> I find it strange that in most countries of the world, people are electing politicians as presidents, it's stupid
2015-10-13T13:14:19 < jadew> they should pick someone smart and that has more in common with the rest of the population
2015-10-13T13:14:38 < jadew> like science teachers or philosophers
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2015-10-13T13:15:27 < jadew> they'd be much more likely to make sure the country is run in the best interest of the general population
2015-10-13T13:16:36 < emeryth> [citation needed]
2015-10-13T13:17:23 < dongs> What if the Zano CPU does not have enough RAM to hold a full raw/compressed?? image from the camera.
2015-10-13T13:17:26 < dongs> I seriously hope that isn't the case, mind you.
2015-10-13T13:17:29 < dongs> I agree that if they wanted to do it, they could.
2015-10-13T13:17:51 < artag> but then we'd have smart people doing stupid political jobs and dumb people being science teachers. what could possibly go wrong ?
2015-10-13T13:18:15 < jadew> artag, well, not all of them should be smart
2015-10-13T13:18:18 < jadew> just the leader
2015-10-13T13:18:35 < jadew> the rest can be politicians and do what they can do best, debate and whatever
2015-10-13T13:18:42 < artag> the leader doesn't do anything. he's just a mouthpiece for tv
2015-10-13T13:19:16 < jadew> artag, well, that's obviously an issue
2015-10-13T13:20:28 < karlp> jpa-: I don't know about static_assert() in a header file, but why not just put it in each c file where it's being used?
2015-10-13T13:21:13 < jubatu_> what difference does it make if its in a .h or a .c ?
2015-10-13T13:21:57 < jpa-> karlp: well doesn't matter where it is, but the point is comparing between separately compiled files
2015-10-13T13:22:22 < jpa-> karlp: people manage to mess things up so that same .h included from different places causes different struct layouts
2015-10-13T13:23:46 < karlp> hrm, I just have a "static_assert(sizeof(struct smart_map_common) == 28, "common must be 24 (is it packed properly?)");" in the place where I'm using the struct
2015-10-13T13:25:14 < jpa-> makes sense, if you know the correct size to begin with
2015-10-13T13:25:26 < jpa-> i don't actually care about the size as long as it is same in all compilation units
2015-10-13T13:26:35 < karlp> ah, yeah, I know what size it needs to be.
2015-10-13T13:28:19 < jubatu_> I wonder if you're trying to solve a symptom rather than the problem
2015-10-13T13:28:39 < jubatu_> why are people linking together code built with such vastly different flags ?
2015-10-13T13:28:56 < jubatu_> nothing else breaks except structs ?
2015-10-13T13:32:11 < dongs> well fuck
2015-10-13T13:32:17 < dongs> i cleaned my room and i dont see F4s anywehre
2015-10-13T13:32:19 < dongs> hmmm
2015-10-13T13:35:13 < jpa-> jubatu_: well.. people make mistakes; in this latest case it was having -fshort-enum in CXXFLAGS but not in CFLAGS
2015-10-13T13:35:27 < jpa-> in another case it was having sizeof(bool) = 4 in c++, but = 1 in c
2015-10-13T13:36:20 < dongs> nice
2015-10-13T13:36:25 < dongs> i bet that was fine to track down
2015-10-13T13:38:21 < emeryth> that's why we need javascript on microcontrollers
2015-10-13T13:38:21 < dongs> We have had a few issues, some customers have experienced some issues and I am sure we will continue to see issues of all sorts but as a team, we are here to help all customers get the best from their Zano and will continue to improve the software, the app and the experience. That was our promise and that is what we are doing.
2015-10-13T13:38:43 < dongs> Firstly, I would like to address some of the teething issues some of you are experiencing. With over 600 Zano.s out there we knew we would get a few issues. Currently, less than 10% of all Zano.s out there were reported to have some issues.
2015-10-13T13:39:06 < ReadError> the other 90% are in the mail still or unopened boxes
2015-10-13T13:39:59 < dongs> Solution: This is caused by the centre of gravity being calculated incorrectly. We are working on a new calibration tool to allow you to completely calibrate your Zano to resolve this but for now, you need to follow the trimming instructions.
2015-10-13T13:40:03 < dongs> wat
2015-10-13T13:40:12 < dongs> Some of the CG profiles from the test rig are not 100% accurate and this causes a CG calculation error in Zano. This is a manufacturing issue but is easily adjusted from the users perspective. Firstly, check your propellers. Propeller vibration will cause bad drift in Zano as the vibration affects all inertial calculations.
2015-10-13T13:40:17 < dongs> Secondly, please following the trimming instructions. Once you do both of these, your Zano will launch and the drift will be minimal, you can further tweak your trim values to get your drift to a very good level.
2015-10-13T13:40:21 < dongs> wat
2015-10-13T13:40:24 < dongs> wat
2015-10-13T13:40:32 < ReadError> since when does CG fuck things up that bad
2015-10-13T13:41:45 < dongs> Now onto some new news, is that grammatically correct, I suppose old news is valid so new news should also be. Anyway, I digress. We have a new app coming out for Android and iOS. The Free flight app is also in the pipeline for iOS but as a larger app, it is taking some time.
2015-10-13T13:41:51 < dongs>  As such, we are working on a special new function that we believe will be ideal for most Zano users and it will be available on Android and iOS very very shortly.
2015-10-13T13:42:09 < mtbg> isn't the battery placed on velcro and of significant mass compared to the mass of the device?
2015-10-13T13:42:10 < ReadError> such a jokester
2015-10-13T13:42:20 < jpa-> 10% fail rate on the field :D
2015-10-13T13:42:39 < ReadError> wasnt one of the delays testrig calibration??
2015-10-13T13:46:34 < dongs> testrig more liek testnig
2015-10-13T13:47:42 < dongs> zyp_: did i fucking send you those F4s back with some stuff
2015-10-13T13:47:55 < dongs> whereh teufk are theyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
2015-10-13T13:53:40 < jpa-> zano stole them
2015-10-13T13:58:39 < Laurenceb> wait
2015-10-13T13:58:55 < Laurenceb> they need very well aligned CoG and the battery is on velcro
2015-10-13T13:59:02 < Laurenceb> wut
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2015-10-13T14:07:06 < jpa-> and silly that they would need it anyway, does it even help balancing much?
2015-10-13T14:07:58 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-10-13T14:08:09 < dongs> if their software wasn't shit this wouldnt even be an issue
2015-10-13T14:08:16 < dongs> a quad can fly with a fucking heavy battery hanging off one arms
2015-10-13T14:08:32 < Roklobotomy> i don't know shit about drones but wouldn't you just use the accelerometer to figure which way is down and set your control loop to use that as a reference?
2015-10-13T14:08:44 < dongs> apparently neither does ivan!
2015-10-13T14:08:56 < dongs> cuz the shit doesnt fly worth a crap
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2015-10-13T14:09:33 < jpa-> Roklobotomy: yeah, though some have so crappy accelerometers & gyros that they need to calibrate the sensors first
2015-10-13T14:10:00 < Roklobotomy> so even if you hung a weight off one propellor or even if a prop died the other wold be controlled to compensate for level flight + desired deviations?
2015-10-13T14:10:15 < dongs> well, if you ahve more than 4 sure
2015-10-13T14:10:30 < dongs> 6 with proper algorithms or 8 can fly with a prop out
2015-10-13T14:10:38 < Roklobotomy> oh ok
2015-10-13T14:10:45 < dongs> 4 is fucked either way
2015-10-13T14:10:50 < dongs> unless you let it start spinning very fast
2015-10-13T14:10:55 < dongs> and use that as control
2015-10-13T14:11:08 < Roklobotomy> so props aren't gimballed?  you just rely on adjustment of rotation speed?
2015-10-13T14:11:14 < dongs> yeah.
2015-10-13T14:11:20 < dongs> quads are super dum
2015-10-13T14:11:29 < Roklobotomy> do blades pitch like a 'copter?
2015-10-13T14:11:34 < dongs> nope
2015-10-13T14:11:38 < dongs> fixed pitch too.
2015-10-13T14:11:56 < Roklobotomy> interesting.
2015-10-13T14:12:59 < Roklobotomy> i spoke to one guy recently who uses drones and fixed wing drones for doing paddock surveys with IR cameras and he reckons that fixed wing wins in stiff breezes every time.
2015-10-13T14:13:37 < GargantuaSauce> and flight time is an order of magnitude better
2015-10-13T14:14:30 < dongs> and you can glide
2015-10-13T14:14:33 < dongs> and not just fall as a rock
2015-10-13T14:16:46 < jpa-> fall like a rock, crash like a zano
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2015-10-13T14:17:18 < Roklobotomy> The Zano guys were at the pub and were looking at this on their iPhones and said "yeah that looks easy".  UPenn drone work -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4
2015-10-13T14:17:33 < dongs> right
2015-10-13T14:17:45 < dongs> they didnt notice all the mocap stuff
2015-10-13T14:22:24 < Sync> ye
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2015-10-13T15:24:57 < Laurenceb> http://gfycat.com/RegalEverlastingKodiakbear
2015-10-13T15:26:46 < dongs> faggot shit
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2015-10-13T15:27:06 < zyp> dongs, uh, no?
2015-10-13T15:27:14 < dongs> really?
2015-10-13T15:27:16 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2015-10-13T15:27:23 < dongs> i sent you a box of all your remaining shit right? or not
2015-10-13T15:27:25 < dongs> like leds + junk
2015-10-13T15:27:37 < zyp> I don't think so
2015-10-13T15:27:41 < dongs> well shit
2015-10-13T15:27:43 < dongs> thats where it is then
2015-10-13T15:27:45 < dongs> hmmmmmm
2015-10-13T15:28:23 < dongs> i found the thin box the F4s came in
2015-10-13T15:28:29 < dongs> but it was empty
2015-10-13T15:28:33 < dongs> but if I didnt send the parts back...
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2015-10-13T15:41:42 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=14091#p14091
2015-10-13T15:43:02 < dongs> no idea where the shit is
2015-10-13T15:43:02 < dongs> fuck
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2015-10-13T16:20:49 < Laurenceb> lol so much flex in the frame
2015-10-13T16:20:54 < Laurenceb> no wonder the props hit
2015-10-13T16:21:01 < Laurenceb> are the motors just soldered on?
2015-10-13T16:21:38 < Laurenceb> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1138
2015-10-13T16:22:51 < Laurenceb> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ONrViXPWrYg/Vhz30IScJ8I/AAAAAAAAIGw/2IMsUmm_i80/s800-Ic42/IMG_7005.jpg
2015-10-13T16:23:09 < Laurenceb> left motor is at several degrees
2015-10-13T16:23:40 < Laurenceb> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1124
2015-10-13T16:23:49 < Laurenceb> 4. The motors seems to be to loose (Video 14:20)
2015-10-13T16:23:51 < Laurenceb> LOL
2015-10-13T16:24:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5hDzwi4vA
2015-10-13T16:25:03 < Laurenceb> wifi brownout
2015-10-13T16:26:32 < Laurenceb> so motors brown out the wifi
2015-10-13T16:26:34 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-10-13T16:27:12 < Laurenceb> I thought the power supplies looked way too n00b to work
2015-10-13T16:28:59 < Laurenceb>  zano starts flying but does not really take off ( just for a second, then it landa again.)
2015-10-13T16:29:36 < Laurenceb> its a desk fan
2015-10-13T16:30:40 < Laurenceb> Wait what? The instructions actually shows propellers that are too large to fit on the zano? And the "solution" is that the user has to - even is instructed to - fiddle around with precisely how far down each propeller is pressed onto each motor spindle??
2015-10-13T16:30:49 < Laurenceb> this forum is comedy gold
2015-10-13T16:32:25 < dongs> ol zano
2015-10-13T16:32:57 < Laurenceb> to tailor the battery to the particular electronic requirements that are imposed by the OS at the time
2015-10-13T16:33:06 < dongs> yea man
2015-10-13T16:33:12 < dongs> ivan just spews verbal diarreah
2015-10-13T16:33:14 < dongs> 24/7
2015-10-13T16:34:22 < dongs> However with kickstarter you are supposed to have a working prototype. They showed the follow me feature and said all this stuff about being able to tell the drone to go to GPS coordinates, good battery life works well outdoors etc. Looks like it's not going to do any of this stuff out the box and I am concerned it will never do it.
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2015-10-13T16:36:31 < dongs> bedtime
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2015-10-13T17:11:00 < chris_99> Heh they kicked the laser razor off kickstarter - http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34516907
2015-10-13T17:15:28 < mtbg> yep
2015-10-13T17:15:45 < mtbg> but are on the way to get funded on indiegogo
2015-10-13T17:15:52 < zyp> no wonder, it screams obvious scam
2015-10-13T17:16:07 < mtbg> $76,897USD
2015-10-13T17:16:08 < mtbg> raised by 567 people in 8 hours
2015-10-13T17:16:38 < mtbg> one thing that no one seems to notice
2015-10-13T17:17:00 < mtbg> is that they claim they discovered a particular chromophore in all hair types
2015-10-13T17:17:01 < zyp> haha, and the indiegogo campaign is flexible funding
2015-10-13T17:17:14 < mtbg> which is sensitive to certain wavelength
2015-10-13T17:17:43 < zyp> indiegogo: where scams go when they are too scammy for kickstarter
2015-10-13T17:17:57 < mtbg> and yet their renderings and some early demo with a fiber used red light
2015-10-13T17:18:07 < mtbg> and current demo uses 532nm
2015-10-13T17:18:14 < zyp> does it really?
2015-10-13T17:18:24 < zyp> the demo looked like hotwire to me
2015-10-13T17:18:36 < mtbg> the current demo
2015-10-13T17:18:48 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOLwNJ7TXWA
2015-10-13T17:18:50 < mtbg> this one
2015-10-13T17:19:06 < mtbg> looks 532 to me
2015-10-13T17:19:21 < aandrew> lol skarp
2015-10-13T17:19:59 < mtbg> previous one was showing much thicker fiber and red light
2015-10-13T17:20:07 < aandrew> yeah I remember seeing that
2015-10-13T17:20:09 < mtbg> also their renderings show red light
2015-10-13T17:20:16 < aandrew> I was pretty sure it was a nichrome wire with an LED
2015-10-13T17:20:51 < aandrew> yeah don't bother
2015-10-13T17:22:15 < chris_99> yeah it does look like a hotwire
2015-10-13T17:22:21 < mtbg> and well, guy has renderings of various shapes of the handle placed all over his wall near his workbench
2015-10-13T17:22:37 < mtbg> this is not how I'd imagine researching such technology
2015-10-13T17:22:38 < mtbg> :>
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2015-10-13T17:25:33 < aandrew> https://www.reddit.com/r/kickstarter/comments/3n59gt/scam_alert_the_wildly_successful_skarp_laser/
2015-10-13T17:30:35 < mtbg> one more thing which just suggests it is scam
2015-10-13T17:30:47 < mtbg> is that they have raised over 4MUSD
2015-10-13T17:31:20 < mtbg> and claimed that 160k is enough for them to mass produce these razors
2015-10-13T17:31:45 < mtbg> so they clearly see there is a lot of interest on this product
2015-10-13T17:32:13 < mtbg> and this confirmation should be more than enough for them to start producing it
2015-10-13T17:32:32 < mtbg> even without crow funding
2015-10-13T17:32:52 < mtbg> i.e. invest their own money or get a credit
2015-10-13T17:37:16 < aandrew> crow funding. CAW!
2015-10-13T17:42:12 < mtbg> :>
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2015-10-13T18:20:15 < Laurenceb> A case in point is the Zano drone, Europe's most successful Kickstarter project. When I visited the west Wales company behind it in August, it was evident that problems were mounting up. And now on various forums, backers are getting angry and impatient.
2015-10-13T18:20:17 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-10-13T19:47:00 < englishman> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=144472550016118
2015-10-13T19:52:30 < upgrdman_> anyone know of a cheap (sub $50) way to get decent high magnification images of a pcb? like a usb microscope or something.
2015-10-13T19:52:44 < upgrdman_> i know for $50 it wont be pro, but some shit it better than nothing
2015-10-13T19:55:22 < englishman> do you need images or just want to inspect it
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2015-10-13T19:55:43 < zyp> upgrdman_, got any dslr gear already?
2015-10-13T19:55:55 < upgrdman_> englishman, images would be nice but not required
2015-10-13T19:56:07 < englishman> well then https://www.fasttech.com/p/1393500
2015-10-13T19:56:08 < englishman> no joke
2015-10-13T19:56:11 < englishman> i use these all the time
2015-10-13T19:56:24 < upgrdman_> zyp, yes and i use a nice macro lense + enxtension tubes at home. but i need some shit for work, and cant justify the price of pro gear right now
2015-10-13T19:56:31 < englishman> if you unscrew the outer lens it reduces the magnification a bit and you can work under it
2015-10-13T19:56:42 < zyp> upgrdman_, ah, right
2015-10-13T19:57:55 < upgrdman_> intriguing, but prolly junk: http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Microscope-Flexible-Observation-Magnification/dp/B00XNYXQHE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444754390&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+microscope
2015-10-13T19:58:26 < englishman> very junk
2015-10-13T19:58:46 < englishman> vga quality, usually doesnt enumerate as webcam and you have to use some shitty chinese program
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2015-10-13T19:58:57 < englishman> theres 9000 of those out there
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2015-10-13T20:00:35 < chris_99> i've got a bunch of cheap microscope things, they do seem to work ok under linux, but the resolution is pretty low
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2015-10-13T20:02:05 < chris_99> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Portable-USB-500X-2MP-Digital-Microscope-Endoscope-Magnifier-Camera-Black-High-Quality-Brand-New/32315075747.html?ws_ab_test=201556_8,201527_1_71_72_73_74_75,201560_4 that kind
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2015-10-13T20:20:51 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/IykoHvz.png
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2015-10-13T20:39:23 < Ecco> Yeah, spread those cheaks even further: apprently art has a hard time coming out
2015-10-13T20:40:07 < Tectu> LOL!
2015-10-13T20:40:59 < artag> upgrdman_: have you tried http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Super-MacroMicroscope-Webcam-Conversion/
2015-10-13T20:42:01 < artag> also, i think the blue intel toy microscopes were said to be surprisingly good
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2015-10-13T20:44:53 < artag> this is a good place for microscopes if you're in the UK http://www.usedmicroscopes.co.uk/index.html
2015-10-13T20:48:21 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-0MP-HD-Industry-Lab-Microscope-Camera-VGA-CVBS-USB-AV-Output-Zoom-C-mount-Lens-/121204684500   people on other channel say that these are good
2015-10-13T20:49:33 < jpa-> upgrdman_: ^
2015-10-13T20:49:41 < jpa-> not quite in the price range though
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2015-10-13T21:08:13 < Steffanx> chris_99 bought one of those cheap arse ones. THAT SUCK ARSE.
2015-10-13T21:08:31 < Steffanx> *THEY
2015-10-13T21:08:55 < chris_99> heh, the resolution is really low, but they do magnify stuff
2015-10-13T21:09:34 < Steffanx> The lense of mine wobbles around when i change focus.
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2015-10-13T21:10:13 < Steffanx> at 200 times magnification that is impossible to work with.
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2015-10-13T21:11:18 < chris_99>  https://www.anfractuosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-08-05-194702.jpg is a full res image i took with it @ 500x of floppy disk tracks, which shows how low the res is
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2015-10-13T21:49:57 < Steffanx> so it's all up to "you" today, karlp
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2015-10-13T22:06:34 < englishman> oops http://i.imgur.com/3uLBpO2.png
2015-10-13T22:08:42 < Tectu> that looks... awkwkard
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2015-10-13T22:11:44 < Tectu> #define osMutex(name) &os_mutex_def_##name
2015-10-13T22:11:53 < Tectu> I understand what the ## part does, but wtf is the & part all about?
2015-10-13T22:12:04 < Tectu> is it a macro feature such as ## or is that really just address of crap?
2015-10-13T22:12:12 < Tectu> excuse my wording
2015-10-13T22:13:34 < PaulFertser> Tectu: macro
2015-10-13T22:14:01 < Tectu> what does it do?
2015-10-13T22:14:03 < PaulFertser> Taxman: it merges two strings together, then & is the ordinary "take address of" operator.
2015-10-13T22:14:15 < Steffanx>  * Tectu
2015-10-13T22:14:21 < Tectu> Tectu, ah, so it is the address of operator after all
2015-10-13T22:14:29 < PaulFertser> So whenever osMutex(somename) appears it's changed to &os_mutex_def_somename
2015-10-13T22:14:29 < Tectu> thanks PaulFertser, just wanted to be sure
2015-10-13T22:15:14 < Tectu> thanks PaulFertser!
2015-10-13T22:15:39 < Tectu> it is weird... not sure why CMSIS-RTOS does that instead of just Id
2015-10-13T22:15:51 < Tectu> after all it is just for human-readable stuff. But it makes stuff become weird
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2015-10-13T22:21:28 < Steffanx> oh, actually, it's no longer up to you karlp :P
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2015-10-13T22:35:10 < Tectu> oh yes, gimme more of that #define magic:    #define GetSlotSize(sz) ((((sz) + (sizeof(freeslot) - 1)) & ~(sizeof(freeslot) - 1)) + sizeof(memslot))
2015-10-13T22:35:41 < zyp> wait, wat
2015-10-13T22:35:54 < Tectu> yep...
2015-10-13T22:37:53 < zyp> no, I mean, sizeof() is a compile time operator
2015-10-13T22:38:03 < zyp> wtf does that code even work on?
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2015-10-13T22:41:28 < Tectu> zyp, don´t ask me. not my magic
2015-10-13T22:41:55 < Tectu> zyp, but I know for a fact that it works well on every STM32Fx
2015-10-13T22:42:04 < Tectu> but don´t  ask me why or how
2015-10-13T22:42:44 < Steffanx> fix your ' Tectu
2015-10-13T22:43:12 < zyp> Tectu, duh, I mean what kind of data does it work on?
2015-10-13T22:43:49 < Tectu> zyp, that is some custom memory manager that Andrew (the other uGFX guy) wrote
2015-10-13T22:44:09 < zyp> but what's freeslot and what's memslot?
2015-10-13T22:45:04 < Tectu> zyp, the first two structs:  https://bitbucket.org/Tectu/ugfx/src/10c7471149453cea6686aa6f61ec6dac0525c47b/src/gos/gos_x_heap.c?at=master&fileviewer=file-view-default#gos_x_heap.c-34
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2015-10-13T22:45:59 < zyp> oh
2015-10-13T22:46:44 < zyp> so sizeof(freeslot) is 4 and sizeof(memslot) is 8
2015-10-13T22:47:15 < Tectu> and -1 to exclude the overhead of the next pointer, right?
2015-10-13T22:47:25 < Tectu> (in the GetSlotSize macro)
2015-10-13T22:47:33 < zyp> wat? of course not, it's to convert it to a mask
2015-10-13T22:47:54 < Tectu> I better shut up for the rest of the day. Didn´t say anything sane today.
2015-10-13T22:49:03 < Steffanx> You just did.
2015-10-13T22:49:06 < zyp> oh, wait, I read the paranthesis wrong
2015-10-13T22:49:38 < zyp> ah, of course, then it makes perfect sense, it's just alignment rounding
2015-10-13T22:50:11 < zyp> sz rounded up to whole 4, then add sizeof(memslot)
2015-10-13T22:50:58 < zyp> not sure why sizeof(freeslot) is used for alignment though, I guess so you're sure you can fit one after
2015-10-13T22:51:48 < zyp> but, uh
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2015-10-13T23:10:13 < qyx> much size
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2015-10-13T23:57:08 < mtbg> $151,842USD
2015-10-13T23:57:13 < mtbg> raised by 1,033 people in 14 hours
2015-10-13T23:57:34 < mtbg> they will fund it today
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2015-10-14T00:13:41 < upgrdman_> is there a way to get sizeof() to print out at compile time (to stdout or something)
2015-10-14T00:14:10 < upgrdman_> or do some awesome IDEs let you get sizeof() by hovering over thinggies?
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2015-10-14T00:42:31 < mtbg> I doubt you can directly print sizeof
2015-10-14T00:42:37 < Getty> lol upgrade to android 6.0 doesnt remove the notification that the android 6.0 download was successful and you might want to install it ;)
2015-10-14T00:42:50 < mtbg> but you can use it to generate a constant value for some symbol
2015-10-14T00:43:04 < mtbg> and then extract it somehow after compilation
2015-10-14T00:47:04 < zyp> Getty, maybe you got a patch to it?
2015-10-14T00:47:32 < Getty> zyp: no, if you click it it shows some strange information info with empty field values
2015-10-14T00:47:38 < zyp> haha
2015-10-14T00:47:42 < Getty> like "Size:" and under it "Name:" you know
2015-10-14T00:47:43 < Getty> but all empty
2015-10-14T00:47:52 < Getty> like its the same notification but the update behind is gone (as its installed)
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2015-10-14T02:18:04 < TheSeven> upgrdman: eclipse shows sizeof by hovering during debugging at least
2015-10-14T02:18:18 < TheSeven> I guess it just asks GDB about it
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2015-10-14T02:27:26 < kakimir> how are my jews today?
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2015-10-14T03:02:59 < dongs> sup pros
2015-10-14T03:03:15 < dongs> time to checkout zano news
2015-10-14T03:04:40 < zyp> anything new?
2015-10-14T03:04:48 < zyp> did they get swarming yet?
2015-10-14T03:06:36 < dongs> my pal subscribed to 'weekly summary' of zano on google alerts
2015-10-14T03:06:45 < dongs> evreything he got in the summary is complaints/drama
2015-10-14T03:09:10 < zyp> did you see the skarp news?
2015-10-14T03:09:40 < zyp> they got too scammy for kickstarter, so they relaunched on indiegogo
2015-10-14T03:09:51 < dongs> ya
2015-10-14T03:09:55 < dongs> already > 160k there
2015-10-14T03:10:11 < dongs> not as much of a scam but with indielolgo they can just take it all right away and run off
2015-10-14T03:11:03 < zyp> kinda amazed people are still throwing money at them
2015-10-14T03:11:10 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=14131#p14131
2015-10-14T03:11:19 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/download/file.php?id=232
2015-10-14T03:11:21 < dongs> complete fucking fail
2015-10-14T03:12:36 < dongs> haha
2015-10-14T03:12:39 < dongs> ivan's PM box is full
2015-10-14T03:12:44 < dongs> of rage comments no doubt
2015-10-14T03:12:51 < zyp> full of fail
2015-10-14T03:12:53 < dongs> yes
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2015-10-14T03:31:11 < dongs> yes
2015-10-14T03:42:14 < englishman> https://youtu.be/8DmraSOdTYk?t=1m50s
2015-10-14T03:42:30 < englishman> mh17 re enactment
2015-10-14T03:50:40 < kakimir> for masturbation
2015-10-14T03:51:12 < dongs> anyone here wiht cheap x86 asdroid tablet
2015-10-14T03:51:19 < dongs> i need libzano.so from x86 build
2015-10-14T03:52:37 < kakimir> asteroid?
2015-10-14T03:53:08 < kakimir> isn't there some chinese x86 chips
2015-10-14T03:53:15 < dongs> dont care
2015-10-14T03:53:22 < dongs> most $99 shittablets that are x86 are atom
2015-10-14T03:53:31 < dongs> haha owned
2015-10-14T03:53:54 < dongs> http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/a/a0/Marshmallow.png/revision/latest?cb=20131130234013
2015-10-14T03:53:57 < dongs> this is marshmallow
2015-10-14T04:01:42 < kakimir> it's thrilling
2015-10-14T04:07:40 < kakimir> situation has now some dynamics to it
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2015-10-14T04:31:18 < Alexer> upgrdman_, like mtbg said, you could extract it. the first thing that comes to mind is "size_t dumpme[] __attribute__ ((section (".dumpme"))) = {sizeof(whatever)};" and then doing "objcopy -O binary -j .dumpme EXECUTABLE OUTPUT", possibly replacing OUTPUT with something like ">(python3 -c "import sys, struct; print(struct.unpack('Q', sys.stdin.buffer.read())[0])")" to directly get the number
2015-10-14T04:37:54 < dongs> http://osaka.craigslist.jp/lab/5261032965.html
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2015-10-14T04:50:51 < Alexer> upgrdman, as for the microscope, I can vouch for the same type that chris_99 mentioned, if the bad image quality doesn't bother you too much
2015-10-14T04:51:02 < dongs> what did he mention
2015-10-14T04:51:12 < Alexer> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161413318503 <-- these ones
2015-10-14T04:51:19 < dongs> ah that usb trash
2015-10-14T04:52:09 < Alexer> it's basically the polar opposite of a mantis - the image quality is bad, you can throw the stand to the bin straight away, but the magnification is damn good
2015-10-14T04:52:11 < dongs> i kinda wanna get something with decent optics
2015-10-14T04:52:15 < dongs> that i can use for automatic pcb inspection
2015-10-14T04:52:24 < dongs> but all these toy ones are garbage for that
2015-10-14T04:52:37 < dongs> it is shit, clearly
2015-10-14T04:52:39 < dongs> since its like $11
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2015-10-14T04:53:11 < Alexer> I mean it's definitely the 800x it claims to be, but I've seen individual blood cells with it! (with a resolution of one pixel, granted)
2015-10-14T04:54:30 < Alexer> after I tried a Mantis for the first time and got the I-can't-solder-without-a-microscope-anymore -disease, but before getting my own, I used to use one of those for soldering, it was nice
2015-10-14T04:55:54 < zyp> yeah, that shit just throws off my hand-eye coordination
2015-10-14T04:56:01 < Alexer> good for you? :P
2015-10-14T04:56:23 < zyp> sure does
2015-10-14T04:56:24 < Alexer> yeah, it does not
2015-10-14T04:57:19 < zyp> we had a mantis at uni, tried using it for working on a board with 0402 parts, found it more comfortable to work without it
2015-10-14T04:57:36 < Alexer> ._.
2015-10-14T04:58:27 < zyp> I mean, why do you need assiting devices for that in the first place? it's not like you can't see 0402s normally
2015-10-14T04:59:13 < englishman> been thinking about one of these since a while http://www.microscopenet.com/7x45x-professional-zoom-boom-stand-trinocular-stereo-microscope-p-190.html
2015-10-14T04:59:16 < englishman> reasonably priced
2015-10-14T05:00:39 < Alexer> zyp, before trying the mantis, I thought "I can see these fine without it, so what's the point", but after trying it... it's just *so* much easier when you can *actually* see things clearly
2015-10-14T05:02:55 < zyp> I didn't find it to make a useful difference
2015-10-14T05:06:11 < Alexer> zyp, do you know which lense it had? (and I assume you adjusted the settings to fit your eyes?)
2015-10-14T05:07:00 < zyp> no idea, this was 4-5 years ago
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2015-10-14T05:16:32 < dongs> http://www.etradesupply.com/motorola-moto-360-smart-watch-lcd-screen-display.html so cheap
2015-10-14T05:21:45 < zyp> time to kickstart a smartwatch, eh
2015-10-14T05:23:12 < ds2> are those parallel or MIPI?
2015-10-14T05:25:26 < zyp> judging by pics, too few pins to be parallel
2015-10-14T05:25:41 < zyp> then again, it's only 320x290, could as well be SPI
2015-10-14T05:27:12 < ds2> SPI could be fun
2015-10-14T05:27:30 < ds2> new nRF chip...some sensors...
2015-10-14T05:32:21 < englishman> pebble is a moderately successful dickstarter
2015-10-14T05:32:43 < englishman> and a decent product
2015-10-14T05:32:54 < englishman> also, stm content :)
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2015-10-14T05:47:52 < upgrdman> TheSeven, thx
2015-10-14T06:15:51 < emeb_mac> R2COM should go fly helos in Syria
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2015-10-14T07:11:31 < upgrdman> :)  http://imgur.com/29lArZc
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2015-10-14T07:19:25 < upgrdman> wtf  http://blog.dennys.com/
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2015-10-14T07:25:15 < Roklobsta> only in 'murkah.
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2015-10-14T07:30:45 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_removal#China
2015-10-14T07:38:37 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0da_1444577507
2015-10-14T07:40:41 < upgrdman> i was half expecting it to malfunction and twist the girls head off
2015-10-14T07:41:51 < dongs> thats the only reason i was watching
2015-10-14T07:41:53 < dongs> disappointed.
2015-10-14T07:45:35 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=14158#p14158
2015-10-14T07:55:43 < englishman> theres an actual dude in another stonerchan that preordered one
2015-10-14T07:55:55 < englishman> or backed on dickstarter or whoever
2015-10-14T07:56:10 < englishman> cant wait
2015-10-14T07:58:47 < dongs> zano?
2015-10-14T07:59:07 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-H8-Mini-Headless-Mode-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-975808.html?bid=8934
2015-10-14T08:04:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcONp3Oy3qc haha
2015-10-14T08:06:51 < upgrdman> "zano"
2015-10-14T08:07:03 < upgrdman> i miss coax helis
2015-10-14T08:08:14 < dongs> yeah but he pictured current zano flying state perfectly
2015-10-14T08:08:28 < dongs> back in september when most people didnt evne have zanos
2015-10-14T08:09:30 < Roklobsta> at least his got off the ground
2015-10-14T08:10:07 < dongs> cant check if propellers were hitting body or not
2015-10-14T08:10:27 < dongs> i think im  gonna take another zano vid
2015-10-14T08:10:33 < dongs> should be nice and quiet outside wind-wise
2015-10-14T08:11:22 < Roklobsta> oh you got one
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2015-10-14T08:15:29 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-14T08:15:32 < dongs> zanocam failed to record
2015-10-14T08:16:55 < dongs> bottom half of mjpeg is runed
2015-10-14T08:17:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FfVT3Js.jpg
2015-10-14T08:17:49 < Roklobsta> wut... mjpeg?
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2015-10-14T08:18:40 < Roklobsta> oh dongs, that's because you didn't process the video on the Zano cloud server.
2015-10-14T08:19:34 < Roklobsta> i wonder at what point the zano guys saw what they created and said "Too late, can't stop now!"
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2015-10-14T08:25:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QU1Tbcx.gifv
2015-10-14T08:25:20 < dongs> lol
2015-10-14T08:26:03 < Roklobsta> asshole.  they had time to throw it back
2015-10-14T08:26:20 < Roklobsta> i'd like to have seen that
2015-10-14T08:40:41 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/J4huiKx.gif
2015-10-14T08:44:51 < dongs> looks like DJI to me
2015-10-14T08:49:14 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-10-14T09:53:01 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1153&p=14163#p14163
2015-10-14T09:54:15 < ReadError> dongs you happy with your probemasters?
2015-10-14T09:56:58 < dongs> yyy
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2015-10-14T09:58:38 < ReadError> spingloaded ones?
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2015-10-14T10:23:39 < emeryth> zano is literally jesus
2015-10-14T10:23:46 < emeryth> can't wait till it arrives
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2015-10-14T10:26:15 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/yTP/plain   such pro coding, i just sprinkle in +1 and -1 randomly until it works
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2015-10-14T10:36:50 < PaulFertser> blown: do I remember right that you had some comments or questions regarding OpenOCD?
2015-10-14T10:38:54 < PaulFertser> blown: ah, yes, now I remember. If you're not allergic to Eclipse you can try https://github.com/gnuarmeclipse , it has everything needed for debugging integrated.
2015-10-14T10:39:19 < ReadError> I need to get my jlink/gdb/openocd setup in eclipse ;/
2015-10-14T10:39:54 < PaulFertser> blown: basically, one just downloads gcc-arm-embedded toolchain and apt-get installs openocd, that's enough for flashing and debugging already. I use plain gdb + openocd usually.
2015-10-14T10:40:08 < PaulFertser> blown: http://openocd.org/getting-openocd/ is where you can find more about it.
2015-10-14T10:41:13 < PaulFertser> I'm not sure about packaging status for Fedora, but I'd expect it to be on par with Debian.
2015-10-14T10:41:52 < emeryth> too bad that gnu-arm-eclipse is switching over to cubeMX templates :/
2015-10-14T10:42:08 < emeryth> at least for f4
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2015-10-14T10:44:02 < jpa-> templates, lul
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2015-10-14T10:59:32 < dongs> zano forum down
2015-10-14T10:59:58 < ReadError> PaulFertser for jlink+openocd
2015-10-14T11:00:11 < ReadError> I just launch the jlink server and use the jlink.cfg pretty much?
2015-10-14T11:00:26 < PaulFertser> ReadError: you just launch openocd, not jlink server.
2015-10-14T11:00:49 < PaulFertser> ReadError: I suggest you read the README; not sure if it will help though, given your nickname ;)
2015-10-14T11:01:03 < dongs> his name might as well be stonererror
2015-10-14T11:01:08 < dongs> since hes stoned 99% of th tiem
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2015-10-14T11:10:30 < dongs> zano forum still down
2015-10-14T11:10:37 < dongs> they're hosting it on thier hsitty HPC
2015-10-14T11:10:45 < dongs> which looks like on BT's FTTH
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2015-10-14T11:33:47 < dongs> getting stoned
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2015-10-14T11:42:09 < dongs> Service coverage is limited to Dong units (Eup, Myeon and some administrative Dongs are excluded)
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2015-10-14T12:41:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100852237@N06/sets/72157659594396151
2015-10-14T12:41:31 < Laurenceb> yo dawg
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2015-10-14T12:41:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100852237@N06/21474272654/in/album-72157659594396151/
2015-10-14T12:42:19 < Sync> pro
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2015-10-14T13:03:06 < dongs> zano forum still down
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2015-10-14T13:07:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qplr1RjaDY typical japanese ATM
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2015-10-14T13:32:35 < Laurenceb> no homo
2015-10-14T13:32:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqm6gkKantM
2015-10-14T13:32:58 < Laurenceb> nsfw
2015-10-14T13:33:54 < mtbg> Asian Dispenser
2015-10-14T13:35:08 < mtbg> guy created the channel just to post that video
2015-10-14T13:39:24 < karlp> Steffanx: what ddid you mean, "it's all up to me today" ?
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2015-10-14T14:04:09 < dongs> zano still down
2015-10-14T14:04:10 < dongs> hilarious
2015-10-14T14:04:26 < dongs> app cant connect, cant even fly the shit
2015-10-14T14:04:29 < dongs> complete aids
2015-10-14T14:04:52 < dongs> ZANO .@FlyZANO  16m16 minutes ago
2015-10-14T14:04:53 < dongs> We are experiencing some technical difficulties with our website and will have this fixed as soon as possible. Apologies for this delay!
2015-10-14T14:04:56 < dongs> ha ha
2015-10-14T14:06:47 < dongs> Yes Doug. Ivan says "our main connection is down and we will swap to the backup asap. Just waiting on dns and other changes to propagate" The HPC is down as well, can't connect to the gallery.
2015-10-14T14:07:02 < qyx> wat
2015-10-14T14:07:06 < emeryth> wait, it can't fly without some cloud shit?
2015-10-14T14:07:14 < dongs> yes
2015-10-14T14:07:15 < qyx> waiting for dns to what? for backup connection?
2015-10-14T14:07:23 < dongs> the app 'authorizes' you with thier trash
2015-10-14T14:07:25 < emeryth> apart from not being able to fly even with cloud shit
2015-10-14T14:07:28 < dongs> to make sure "stolen zanos cant be used"
2015-10-14T14:07:34 < dongs> (actual quote)
2015-10-14T14:11:56 < rewolff> If their backup is "activated" through DNS changes, then the waiting game will continue for a while. The OLD nameserver configuration specifies how long results may be cached. In the case of flyzano.com that is "1 hour". (could be worse. A day is also often used).
2015-10-14T14:12:30 < artag> nor unstolen ones, apparently.
2015-10-14T14:17:00 < dongs> but thats a minor detail
2015-10-14T14:19:48 < dongs> https://www.facebook.com/flyzano haha
2015-10-14T14:19:56 < dongs> first ~10 replies are all either "tired" or "refund"
2015-10-14T14:20:01 < dongs> they're off to a great start
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2015-10-14T14:25:49 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12107209_1009474709117905_2858179931665058454_n.jpg?oh=8b5818a44adfe811007ca5fa9a6d60a9&oe=5689D4E5
2015-10-14T14:27:41 < qyx> top quality motors
2015-10-14T14:28:10 < PeterM> does that look like the pcb is fatiguing badly too
2015-10-14T14:29:19 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12108198_1009474679117908_8345264128253693640_n.jpg?oh=b9b050b2f275097c3bc341bbe613a0ef&oe=56D2B110
2015-10-14T14:29:26 < dongs> i think he crashed it
2015-10-14T14:29:33 < dongs> that break or something in fr4
2015-10-14T14:29:57 < dongs> thats shit straight out o uk
2015-10-14T14:31:20 < dongs> Mein PCB Board ist gebrochen frown emoticon hält doch nicht soviel aus.....immer noch keine antwort wegen rückversand. Egal was da nun kommen mag ob ich was zu zahlen muss oder garantie oder was auch immer,eine antwort von Zano wäre mal klasse. samstag gemeldet und rückversand beantragt und bis heute keine antwort
2015-10-14T14:31:44 < karlp> what's going on in this project? https://github.com/RIOT-OS/RIOT/commit/eda6328e21b9de83122b137a57e4f2f1ff05bcbf and https://github.com/RIOT-OS/RIOT/commit/98c465008bb19b0204918cfe37bca7f3686d9ba9
2015-10-14T14:32:06 < dongs> gay marriage
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2015-10-14T14:32:41 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11229690_1009505679114808_416626032410713882_n.jpg?oh=341f812d3e72cadb29b95e9e5fa0754c&oe=568D80C1
2015-10-14T14:32:52 < dongs> lol all that extra garbage so they can turn the motors L?R
2015-10-14T14:35:34 < PeterM> why are there caps on the motor?
2015-10-14T14:35:46 < PeterM> i dun get
2015-10-14T14:36:11 < PeterM> why so many traces too
2015-10-14T14:36:20 < PeterM> why so bad
2015-10-14T14:36:27 < dongs> they can change rotation direction
2015-10-14T14:36:34 < Sync> karlp: they probably married?
2015-10-14T14:36:54 < ReadError> pretty thin traces if thats for power?
2015-10-14T14:36:58 < ReadError> or just to fet?
2015-10-14T14:37:15 < dongs> no thats control
2015-10-14T14:37:21 < dongs> i hope the stuff isn't some SPI-controlled mess
2015-10-14T14:37:26 < dongs> would be hilarious if it is
2015-10-14T14:37:27 < ReadError> ah ok
2015-10-14T14:37:44 < karlp> so, if you change your name, do you go back and change existing things? does the name retroactively apply?
2015-10-14T14:37:44 < dongs> there was some DFN thing in the pics at some point
2015-10-14T14:38:21 < Sync> depends on how anal you are about your name karlp
2015-10-14T14:39:06 < jpa-> karlp: IMO it makes sense to update if you still work on the project
2015-10-14T14:39:28 < Sync> I'd just add my changed name with a different year then
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2015-10-14T14:40:25 < Laurenceb> lol gay marriage os
2015-10-14T14:41:02 < jpa-> Sync: add to old ones? then it will look like two persons worked on it
2015-10-14T14:41:17 < jpa-> while just changing it will make it coherent for any future readers, and details are found in commit log
2015-10-14T14:42:34 < PeterM> ReadError, yeah i got the email from HK about their shitping
2015-10-14T14:42:40 < Laurenceb> hmm seems to work here
2015-10-14T14:42:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEutBkgB1yA
2015-10-14T14:43:26 < karlp> "Developing down to the register level allows for extreme speed improvements over standard “high level” software development."
2015-10-14T14:44:23 < jpa-> if "high level" means aidscube, then sure :)
2015-10-14T14:46:59 < Sync> "extreme"
2015-10-14T14:47:20 < PeterM> well written/optimized c will compile down to well optimized assy, and garbage c will net slightly less garbage assy, and garbage assy will always be garbage assy, still garbage in garbage out
2015-10-14T14:48:33 < Laurenceb> assembly can be good for optimised dsp
2015-10-14T14:48:56 < Laurenceb> if its in a c wrapper function
2015-10-14T14:49:36 < Laurenceb> but i doubt thats what zaNO are talking about
2015-10-14T14:50:20 < karlp> ahh, I was cheating, this wasn't zano, this was just being a bit mean and poking fun at http://clisystems.com/
2015-10-14T14:51:38 < Laurenceb> nice eagle
2015-10-14T14:51:54 < Laurenceb> lolz  http://clisystems.com/contact/
2015-10-14T14:51:57 < PeterM> nice fucking DIP mr 1980
2015-10-14T14:52:09 < jpa-> might as well say "avoiding doing stupid stuff is good"
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2015-10-14T14:57:06 < PeterM> looks safe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChRe5_hdXZ4
2015-10-14T14:59:52 < Sync> at least there is a fence
2015-10-14T15:00:45 < PeterM> for some reason i feel that prob would make pretty short work of that oven rack ( it isnt an oven rack but it may as well be
2015-10-14T15:01:06 < PeterM> prop*
2015-10-14T15:07:04 < Sync> it'll probably shatter before that
2015-10-14T15:08:15 < Sync> nah
2015-10-14T15:08:29 < Sync> experience with big props
2015-10-14T15:14:05 < Laurenceb> yo c gurus
2015-10-14T15:14:06 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10480931
2015-10-14T15:14:35 < Laurenceb> line12, if pressure_below_threshold_ticks==0, will pressure_below_threshold_ticks be incrimented?
2015-10-14T15:15:58 < BrainDamage> no because of short circuit rules
2015-10-14T15:16:13 < Laurenceb> thought so, thanks
2015-10-14T15:16:55 < Laurenceb> stupid air pressure controllers :-/
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2015-10-14T15:41:27 < dongs> flyzaNO still down
2015-10-14T15:41:31 < dongs> riduculous
2015-10-14T15:41:37 < dongs> if they hosted @ amazon this would never been a problem
2015-10-14T15:41:54 < Laurenceb> you think is an accident
2015-10-14T15:42:13 < Laurenceb> they probably shut that shit down to hide the raging
2015-10-14T15:45:06 < Laurenceb> its like sickipedia goes down when theres some massive trolling
2015-10-14T15:45:16 < Laurenceb> and motherless goes down when chris hanson
2015-10-14T15:47:06 < Laurenceb> dont these guys know when to stop?
2015-10-14T15:47:09 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.140
2015-10-14T15:47:14 < Laurenceb> mind blown
2015-10-14T15:48:31 < mtbg> so they will now change the models and theory until there are no obvious contradictions?
2015-10-14T15:48:46 < mtbg> that used to be a domain of religion
2015-10-14T15:59:46 < mtbg> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=l38hhc6ejnu5gc2iqavo8n0r63&action=dlattach;topic=38577.0;attach=1072838;image
2015-10-14T16:00:18 < mtbg> so their wave changed momentum travelling through the waveguide
2015-10-14T16:00:45 < mtbg> so, the waveguide changed its momentum the opposite way
2015-10-14T16:01:48 < mtbg> and lost the change when the wave bounced off the plates
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2015-10-14T16:05:25 < Laurenceb> http://www.coffeeitalia.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=Victoria_Arduino_Adonis
2015-10-14T16:09:16 < Laurenceb> the highest wattage arduino
2015-10-14T16:09:42 < Laurenceb> thats more than a whole house
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2015-10-14T16:15:29 < jpa-> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1649613507/the-self-re-charging-ups-12-kw-max-timeless-autono    lol Laurenceb's project is doing pretty good
2015-10-14T16:16:02 < jpa-> $5 more since it was last blogged here
2015-10-14T16:16:51 < dongs> GOOD PEOPLE WE FINALLY HAVE A FIRST PAKER
2015-10-14T16:17:23 < jpa-> "someone in the desert or offshore"    * maximum distance 100 meters
2015-10-14T16:17:41 < dongs> didnt you know there's wifi hotspots everywhere in desert??
2015-10-14T16:18:11 < chris_99> do kickstarter not do any vetting whatsoever
2015-10-14T16:18:25 < jpa-> chris_99: not for projects that will never reach their goal anyway
2015-10-14T16:18:29 < chris_99> ahh
2015-10-14T16:18:37 < BrainDamage> why, that'd lower their profits
2015-10-14T16:18:38 < dongs> jpa, why wouldnt he reach it
2015-10-14T16:18:43 < dongs> his idea is totally legit
2015-10-14T16:18:45 < chris_99> heh
2015-10-14T16:18:52 < jpa-> dongs: it lacks a cool video
2015-10-14T16:18:59 < dongs> i thought it had a video
2015-10-14T16:19:05 < dongs> with him dicking around some models in sketckup
2015-10-14T16:19:05 < jpa-> yeah but not cool enough
2015-10-14T16:19:13 < chris_99> the music sounds kind of spooky
2015-10-14T16:19:51 < Laurenceb> maybe its powered by emdrive
2015-10-14T16:20:02 < jpa-> it's funny how the box model actually seems halfway decent
2015-10-14T16:21:31 < dongs> apparently vflyzano is now on virginmedia dsl
2015-10-14T16:21:43 < dongs> 42-245-255-62.static.virginm.net
2015-10-14T16:21:50 < jpa-> chris_99: also, looks like because that project is not actually offering the device as a reward, it doesn't even violate any kickstarter rules
2015-10-14T16:21:51 < emeryth> xD
2015-10-14T16:21:54 < Laurenceb> wizardchan
2015-10-14T16:22:00 < dongs> haha owned by unbiversiuty of wales
2015-10-14T16:22:01 < dongs> netblock
2015-10-14T16:22:09 < Laurenceb> fail
2015-10-14T16:22:15 < chris_99> jpa-, i thought all kickstarters need at least a prototype
2015-10-14T16:22:29 < jpa-> chris_99: nope, only if the device is offered as a reward
2015-10-14T16:22:32 < chris_99> oh
2015-10-14T16:22:42 < BrainDamage> chris_99: only for those that give a physical copy of the project as reward
2015-10-14T16:22:42 < jpa-> that project might actually deliver on everything it promises
2015-10-14T16:22:57 < dongs> what does it promise?
2015-10-14T16:23:03 < dongs> ordering 2 UPS shells from a 3d printing service company?
2015-10-14T16:23:10 < dongs> (it seems to be what its doing)
2015-10-14T16:23:15 < mitrax> hey, i'm trying to communicate with an SDCARD in 1 bit mode, besides configuring the SDIO_DAT0 / SDIO_CLK / SDIO_CMD pins in alternate function mode and enabling the SDIO clock do i have anything else to do?
2015-10-14T16:23:21 < jpa-> dongs: 3d model files and thank you letter
2015-10-14T16:23:34 < dongs> mitrax: sounds about right
2015-10-14T16:23:38 < dongs> what is it not doing?
2015-10-14T16:23:52 < jpa-> mitrax: maybe pull-ups somewhere?
2015-10-14T16:24:23 < mitrax> dongs: not answering :)
2015-10-14T16:24:38 < mitrax> jpa: i did configure the pins in OUTPUT_PP / PULLUP mode
2015-10-14T16:24:51 < dongs> i dont think that has effect with AF?
2015-10-14T16:25:01 < jpa-> uh, output_pp with pullup doesn't make much sense
2015-10-14T16:25:07 < jpa-> it's the inputs you need pull-ups on
2015-10-14T16:25:32 < Laurenceb> how does 1 bit differ from SPI?
2015-10-14T16:25:38 < dongs> 1 less wire
2015-10-14T16:25:45 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-10-14T16:25:47 < dongs> and moar speed
2015-10-14T16:25:47 < jpa-> ah this is not spi
2015-10-14T16:25:54 < dongs> yeah its sdio
2015-10-14T16:25:56  * jpa- learns to read
2015-10-14T16:26:06 < dongs> mitrax: i think cs needs to be gnd
2015-10-14T16:26:09 < dongs> in sdio mode
2015-10-14T16:26:11 < mitrax> i had a look at some existing code and it was using that mode, maybe it's wrong though, plus as dongs said i guess it doesn't matter as soon as you set it to alternate mode
2015-10-14T16:26:20 < mitrax> ah
2015-10-14T16:26:21 < dongs> i could be wrong, i have a working schematic but just the mcu part
2015-10-14T16:26:32 < dongs> card was breakout
2015-10-14T16:26:36  * dongs ooks
2015-10-14T16:26:37 < dongs> looks
2015-10-14T16:27:11 < mitrax> i didn't connect the other pins :/ only VSS / VDD / DAT0 / CLK / CMD
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2015-10-14T16:32:46 < dongs> https://sites.google.com/site/suprabotics/_/rsrc/1423750627387/discontinued/sd-card-driver/st429%20disco%20SDCARD.gif
2015-10-14T16:32:49 < dongs> hm no
2015-10-14T16:32:52 < dongs> thats al lyou need
2015-10-14T16:32:52 < dongs> other shit can just NC
2015-10-14T16:33:16 < mitrax> ok, at least i didn't fuck that up :) thanks
2015-10-14T16:33:39 < dongs> but
2015-10-14T16:33:45 < dongs> tehre's a bunch of resistors on waveshit board
2015-10-14T16:33:53 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/downloads/accBoard/Micro-SD-Storage-Board.7z
2015-10-14T16:33:59 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/img/preview/Micro-SD-Storage-Board_l.jpg
2015-10-14T16:34:04 < dongs> there's a bypass capa
2015-10-14T16:34:09 < dongs> and al lthose R's in a row
2015-10-14T16:35:29 < mitrax> wait
2015-10-14T16:35:39 < mitrax> the pinout is wrong on my schematics wtf
2015-10-14T16:35:45 < dongs> ownt
2015-10-14T16:35:53 < dongs> what eagle faggot library did you copy it from
2015-10-14T16:36:04 < dongs> SPARKFUN/AIDSFRUIT BEST EFFORT EAGLE LIBRARY
2015-10-14T16:36:17 < dongs> EMPOWERING MAKER:S
2015-10-14T16:37:25 < mitrax> shouldn't the SD connector pinout match the one found on the sdcard ??
2015-10-14T16:37:33 < dongs> er
2015-10-14T16:37:40 < dongs> shouldnt you be  finding this out fromr datasheet
2015-10-14T16:37:45 < dongs> when you draw the connector + footprint!?
2015-10-14T16:37:54 < mitrax> well i did
2015-10-14T16:38:15 < mitrax> but the schematics you gave a link to doesn't seem to have the standard SD card pinout
2015-10-14T16:38:58 < mitrax> oh nevermind i didn't see the second picture, it's an adapter
2015-10-14T16:39:09 < dongs> right
2015-10-14T16:39:16 < dongs> that pinout is not same as sdcard.
2015-10-14T16:48:52 < Laurenceb> I've had tons of issue with µSD not booting
2015-10-14T16:49:05 < Laurenceb> turns out the pins need to be in correct state at power on
2015-10-14T16:49:12 < Laurenceb> but that was with spi interface
2015-10-14T16:49:17 < mitrax> ah
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2015-10-14T17:05:28 < dongs> i fucking hope
2015-10-14T17:05:31 < dongs> zano retards lost everything
2015-10-14T17:05:40 < dongs> in thier shitty internet crash of 2015
2015-10-14T17:05:44 < dongs> unlikely tho
2015-10-14T17:05:45 < dongs> :()
2015-10-14T17:06:57 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/d1I5W.jpg
2015-10-14T17:07:12 < ReadError> think this would be okay?
2015-10-14T17:07:13 < dongs> i se e u cloning
2015-10-14T17:07:15 < dongs> no
2015-10-14T17:07:20 < dongs> is that a fucking route cutout?
2015-10-14T17:07:29 < ReadError> yes, teeth to hold
2015-10-14T17:07:37 < dongs> no the line around it
2015-10-14T17:07:41 < dongs> its way too thin to be routed
2015-10-14T17:07:51 < dongs> minimum route width in most places is like 1mm
2015-10-14T17:08:06 < ReadError> well i think thats just what altium put in by default, arent gerber lines '0' width?
2015-10-14T17:08:12 < ReadError> and tool routes outside it
2015-10-14T17:08:20 < dongs> i have no diea wat tyoure doing so no
2015-10-14T17:10:20 < ReadError> oh i see, you can set rout when you create it
2015-10-14T17:10:57 < dongs> you can certainly select cutout outline widthm, yes
2015-10-14T17:11:26 < ReadError> ah 2mm is what they say
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2015-10-14T17:15:29 < dongs> make projects that make you $, afford altium
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2015-10-14T17:16:17 < dongs> if you didnt manage to sell your first pcb project for 10x markup, it sucked
2015-10-14T17:19:10 < Sync> you can alternatively just warez altium
2015-10-14T17:19:30 < dongs> snort
2015-10-14T17:19:40 < dongs> kikecad.
2015-10-14T17:19:42 < dongs> what a fucking joke
2015-10-14T17:19:51 < dongs> how can you even DO anything in it.
2015-10-14T17:20:00 < dongs> i mean... its like a tiny bit better than gEDA
2015-10-14T17:20:15 < dongs> but "tiny bit" better than shit is still shit
2015-10-14T17:20:38 < dongs> diptrace is affordable
2015-10-14T17:20:44 < dongs> and works ok for 2/4l simple stuff.
2015-10-14T17:21:09 < dongs> unusable shit
2015-10-14T17:21:30 < dongs> its not gonna improve either so its a nonstarter
2015-10-14T17:21:45 < karlp> stockholm syndrom is real though, you can get a lot done with eagle if you decide you must :)
2015-10-14T17:21:55 < Sync> well, eagle is not bad tbh
2015-10-14T17:21:58 < Sync> but what karlp said
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2015-10-14T17:22:10 < Sync> karlp: do you know of someone doing F4 ethernet shits with libopencm3?
2015-10-14T17:22:13 < BMWPower> Hello
2015-10-14T17:22:28 < dongs> sup
2015-10-14T17:22:33 < karlp> Sync: bufran was, only person I know.
2015-10-14T17:22:43 < karlp> I don't have any stm32 gear with an ethernet port,
2015-10-14T17:22:44 < dongs> Welcome to STM32. Would  you like [ ] troll [ ] be trolled [ ] sex with a mare
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2015-10-14T17:23:07 < Sync> ah too bad
2015-10-14T17:23:22 < dongs> sync, i ahve F4 with ethernet
2015-10-14T17:23:26 < Sync> we were trying to figure out if we could get the F7 disco running with ethernet
2015-10-14T17:23:31 < dongs> but i'd never use it wiht libopenaids
2015-10-14T17:24:31 < dongs> k bedtime
2015-10-14T17:24:33 < karlp> is f7 the only disco board with ethernet?
2015-10-14T17:24:35 < dongs> too much innovation and zano is down
2015-10-14T17:25:00 < Sync> dongs: tru, but we want to get away from lolcueb
2015-10-14T17:26:04 < dongs> sync, if libopen cared about something other than gcc
2015-10-14T17:26:10 < dongs> it would be a viable commercial alternative lib
2015-10-14T17:26:23 < dongs> but as long as it open as in aids, its useless outside of hobby toy projs
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2015-10-14T17:42:05 < ReadError> this is a real pain in the dick
2015-10-14T17:42:10 < ReadError> no wonder you have the asians do it
2015-10-14T17:48:03 < zyp> karlp, afaik yes
2015-10-14T17:48:18 < zyp> on the other hand, it's a pretty cheap board with ethernet
2015-10-14T17:48:38 < mitrax> on STM32F4  don't have to define the clock source or anything for SDIO, just __SDIO_CLK_ENABLE() right?
2015-10-14T17:49:25 < zyp> I think SDIO is always clocked from USB48 or whatever the 48MHz output from the PLL is called
2015-10-14T17:50:06 < zyp> so assuming you already have that configured correctly for USB, it should work for SDIO as well
2015-10-14T17:50:54 < mitrax> i did not :)
2015-10-14T17:51:07 < mitrax> (configure it for usb)
2015-10-14T17:54:27 < karlp> zyp: not as cheap as the ti 1294 connected board was ;)
2015-10-14T17:54:39 < karlp> but yeah, sure
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2015-10-14T17:55:58 < rewolff> Mitrax,
2015-10-14T17:56:12 < rewolff> I know I can access SD cards using SPI mode.
2015-10-14T17:56:23 < rewolff> That would have both the MISO and the MOSI connected.
2015-10-14T17:56:40 < rewolff> If the SDIO module handles that mode: I don't know.
2015-10-14T17:57:05 < rewolff> And if the card may be in that mode and not in data-is-bidirectional mode, I don't know either....
2015-10-14T17:57:28 < mitrax> i guess i could check the CLK line and see if there's a clock there
2015-10-14T17:58:10 < mitrax> as soon as i configure the pin as SDIO alternate function i should see a clock signal right?
2015-10-14T18:08:20 < mitrax> ah... nada
2015-10-14T18:08:31 < mitrax> no clock
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2015-10-14T18:20:58 < mitrax> shouldn't the clock be always active or only when there's cmd/data transfer?
2015-10-14T18:25:03 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/VU5ZgHZ.gifv
2015-10-14T18:33:10 < Tectu> what the fuck am I looking at
2015-10-14T18:34:00 < Tectu> seriously man, wtf
2015-10-14T18:35:03 < karlp> Laurenceb: ! LaTeX Error: \footrulewidth undefined.
2015-10-14T18:35:12 < karlp> what fucking texlive package is that shit in?
2015-10-14T18:37:02 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol
2015-10-14T18:37:09 < Laurenceb> i just google that shit :P
2015-10-14T18:37:18 < karlp> yeah, that's not worked
2015-10-14T18:37:26 < karlp> it seemed to say fancyhdr and lastpage
2015-10-14T18:37:29 < karlp> fucking tex is shit
2015-10-14T18:37:51 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-10-14T18:37:57 < Laurenceb> its very shit
2015-10-14T18:38:11 < Laurenceb> but bizarrely its better than word
2015-10-14T18:38:31 < Tectu> Laurenceb, maybe as word 2003
2015-10-14T18:38:37 < Tectu> word 2013 is pretty usable
2015-10-14T18:38:45 < karlp> I understand the concept, but the whole "just add this yet another blob of weird macro files with aun unpreddicatable name" just to get started and avoid this cryptic error is very teh suck
2015-10-14T18:38:52 < karlp> texlive-scheme-full wants 2gig. no.
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2015-10-14T18:41:13 < Tectu> also, docx is just a zipped bunch of XML crap, so one can also diff the shit out of word docs these days
2015-10-14T18:41:26 < rewolff> Mitrax: no clock -> SD card sleeps -> good!
2015-10-14T18:41:26 < Tectu> and equation crap can be written in unicode stuff, so no hard feelings there either
2015-10-14T18:41:32 < rewolff> gotta go.
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2015-10-14T19:19:20 < Laurenceb> rewolff: that depends on the card
2015-10-14T19:19:31 < Laurenceb> but decent cards tend to be fine in my experience
2015-10-14T19:19:47 < Laurenceb> its microchip bluetooth modules that act up and eat your current
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2015-10-14T19:51:47 < mitrax> geez i'm fucking retarded
2015-10-14T19:54:12 < mitrax> i'm using ST's HAL to access the SD, initialized everything in the struct BUT the SDIO register base address
2015-10-14T19:54:15 < mitrax> no wonder it wasn't working
2015-10-14T19:54:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiSJOuRM_WE&feature=youtu.be
2015-10-14T19:54:27 < Laurenceb> is dat some labview
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2015-10-14T20:14:36 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/PqFeGwc.jpg
2015-10-14T20:23:21 < mtbg_> Will you do the skarp available with green laser color or that was just for kickstarter ?
2015-10-14T20:23:26 < mtbg_> Skarp Technologies CAMPAIGNER 1 hour ago
2015-10-14T20:23:27 < mtbg_> No green. Maybe another color though
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2015-10-14T20:24:01 < mtbg> that's about it when it comes to this being not scam
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2015-10-14T20:38:37 < Yoduza> how can i connect hole detector to arduino devboard ?
2015-10-14T20:39:01 < Steffanx> => #arduino
2015-10-14T20:46:37 < ReadError> put a little hair around it and it should be able to find it
2015-10-14T20:51:20 < jpa-> "hole detector"
2015-10-14T20:51:30 < jpa-> is that like Tectu's dick?
2015-10-14T20:53:06 < Tectu> .__.
2015-10-14T20:53:09 < Steffanx> jpa- it doesnt suit you to say things like that. Go wash your mouth
2015-10-14T20:53:15 < Steffanx> with soap.
2015-10-14T20:53:31 < Tectu> and sand paper
2015-10-14T20:53:53 < jpa-> Steffanx: you probably don't want to know what window 17 is usually about
2015-10-14T20:54:13 < ReadError> sent some boards of to best korea to try
2015-10-14T20:54:17 < ReadError> hope they work out nice
2015-10-14T20:54:46 < Tectu> I am sure taht Kim will take care of them personally
2015-10-14T20:55:45 < ReadError> hes only interested in cake
2015-10-14T20:55:46 < Steffanx> kim is dead, haven't you seen the movie?
2015-10-14T20:56:18 < Tectu> no I haven´t
2015-10-14T20:56:29 < Steffanx> The interview ( worst movie EVER )
2015-10-14T20:57:41 < ReadError> no no
2015-10-14T20:57:43 < Steffanx> I do jpa-, but mr T will hate you forever when you talk about it in public
2015-10-14T20:57:48 < ReadError> the worst movie ive seen lately: Blackhat
2015-10-14T20:57:54 < ReadError> dont recommend
2015-10-14T20:57:59 < jpa-> Steffanx: nah he is very forgiving
2015-10-14T20:58:21 < jpa-> Steffanx: it's mostly about ugfx licenses
2015-10-14T20:59:06 < Steffanx> oh, and then you tell him to stick that there where there where the sun doesnt shine??
2015-10-14T20:59:15 < Steffanx> such nice guy, you.
2015-10-14T20:59:32 < Steffanx> *the
2015-10-14T21:00:07 < ReadError> I can think of worse places to stick it
2015-10-14T21:00:55 < jpa-> Steffanx: no no, i tell him "you can add gpl dual license" and he says "but mr A says no"
2015-10-14T21:01:14 < jpa-> then we go back and forth a few times and agree to never discuss it again
2015-10-14T21:01:30 < Tectu> and then it is the exact same discussion all over again in a few months :D
2015-10-14T21:01:38 < Tectu> Fuck Mr. A, right?
2015-10-14T21:01:54 < Steffanx> he better does mit, gpl.. meh
2015-10-14T21:01:59 < Steffanx> or bsd
2015-10-14T21:02:08 < Tectu> I am doing for different project
2015-10-14T21:02:08 < jpa-> nah mr. T wants to be rich
2015-10-14T21:02:16 < Tectu> since uGFX always contacting jpa first before doing licensing
2015-10-14T21:02:24 < Steffanx> He already is rich. He has us.
2015-10-14T21:02:51 < Steffanx> and a gfx
2015-10-14T21:03:41 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/blender_addons#triangle-fill   look i made a blender addon
2015-10-14T21:04:21 < Steffanx> why does one need triangles?
2015-10-14T21:04:55 < Tectu> ´Sometimes leaves holes in the result´
2015-10-14T21:05:01 < Steffanx> oh the sculpting part
2015-10-14T21:06:57 < jpa-> sculpting is the only way how i manage to create passable "artistic" 3d stuff
2015-10-14T21:07:16 < jpa-> but my faces are always silly shapes and sculpting doesn't work well
2015-10-14T21:08:04 < jpa-> Tectu: fortunately i can use your handy hole detector to find them
2015-10-14T21:12:25 < Tectu> jpa-, you know that you are always entitled to use my hole detector for your non-commercial needs
2015-10-14T21:13:12 < jpa-> hmm, i have some ant holes in the yard
2015-10-14T21:13:54 < Steffanx> around this time of the year?
2015-10-14T21:13:59 < Steffanx> isnt it very cold in finnishland?
2015-10-14T21:14:12 < jpa-> ok well i had back in august anyway!
2015-10-14T21:14:30 < jpa-> too bad i didn't remember the handy dandy hole detector back then
2015-10-14T21:17:40 < Steffanx> i have a hard time understanding whats going on in your blutter plug. Looks kind of brute forcing..?
2015-10-14T21:18:28 < jpa-> yeah, the part where it connects the regular grid to the pre-existing borders is mostly bruteforce
2015-10-14T21:19:11 < jpa-> surprisingly that is not the slow part, slowest part is the polygon.contains() method which gets called for every grid point
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2015-10-14T22:56:00 < kakimir> with flight control board such as cc3d should I do expos and d/r in radio or in flight controller of partially in both?
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2015-10-14T23:04:08 < ReadError> kakimir, i leave everything on FC
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2015-10-14T23:11:55 < kakimir> input 100% movements without any expp?
2015-10-14T23:12:22 < kakimir> do you have switch that changes stuff on FC?
2015-10-14T23:13:06 < kakimir> hmm
2015-10-14T23:13:48 < ReadError> eh no switch
2015-10-14T23:13:56 < kakimir> maybe I scale it so that biggest movements with level:hard controls come out as 100%
2015-10-14T23:14:25 < kakimir> so there is as little error as possible
2015-10-14T23:15:11 < ReadError> well when you do it on the TX
2015-10-14T23:15:20 < ReadError> you are basically numbing the input to the FC
2015-10-14T23:16:58 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-14T23:17:22 < kakimir> I have 6channels to do stuff with
2015-10-14T23:17:22 < kakimir> sjust enough
2015-10-14T23:17:51 < kakimir> 1 for stabilization control and 1 for sets of exp d/r
2015-10-14T23:18:36 < kakimir> if I connect throttle directly
2015-10-14T23:18:47 < kakimir> one more
2015-10-14T23:18:55 < englishman> why just 6?
2015-10-14T23:19:18 < kakimir> harness limitation
2015-10-14T23:19:36 < englishman> like each channel has its own wire?
2015-10-14T23:19:43 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-14T23:19:44 < englishman> which rx?
2015-10-14T23:19:51 < kakimir> turnigy 9x some shit
2015-10-14T23:19:56 < englishman> ah
2015-10-14T23:19:58 < kakimir> big box
2015-10-14T23:20:02 < englishman> well itl get you in the air :>
2015-10-14T23:20:18 < kakimir> changed tx with opentx just minute ago
2015-10-14T23:21:01 < englishman> you dont really need to dick around with dual rates
2015-10-14T23:21:08 < englishman> just set them kinda low and learn to hover and stuff
2015-10-14T23:21:12 < englishman> dick with all that extra crap later
2015-10-14T23:21:39 < kakimir> I'm talking about acro 3d
2015-10-14T23:21:54 < englishman> in a multicopter right
2015-10-14T23:24:20 < kakimir> you know that thing with long horizontal shape and in the middle of it is thru it plate like object called "wing"
2015-10-14T23:25:52 < kakimir> end of it has plate like object called "horizontal and vertical stabilizers and control surfaces" and it's called "tail"
2015-10-14T23:26:18 < kakimir> another end has horizontal propeling unit
2015-10-14T23:26:55 < englishman> funny
2015-10-14T23:27:21 < englishman> with taulabs?
2015-10-14T23:27:36 < kakimir> it's rather old design so nobody nowdays really knows about it
2015-10-14T23:28:28 < kakimir> nope
2015-10-14T23:29:51 < englishman> ive heard of such things https://goo.gl/photos/F8mxCacoGanRw3KTA
2015-10-14T23:30:15 < englishman> old design yes
2015-10-14T23:30:17 < englishman> very rare
2015-10-14T23:34:04 < kakimir> cute
2015-10-14T23:34:15 < kakimir> pilot is ready
2015-10-14T23:35:52 < Laurenceb_> apparently it has good flight time and high speed
2015-10-14T23:35:56 < Laurenceb_> but who need that
2015-10-14T23:37:27 < kakimir> bixler 2 floats forever as you get is balanced right
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2015-10-15T00:19:43 < kakimir> 9x switches do this "act as interference antenna" thing when signal is open circuit
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2015-10-15T00:21:11 < kakimir> I don't know how and why would it be done differently as switch is switch but I...
2015-10-15T00:21:14 < kakimir> wait
2015-10-15T00:21:36 < kakimir> it has 1microsecond difference between states
2015-10-15T00:21:49 < kakimir> opentx o/
2015-10-15T00:23:22 < kakimir> it decided that 3microsecond is just enough to indicate switch state
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2015-10-15T00:29:45 < kakimir> it had difficulties to measure that accurately
2015-10-15T00:29:59 < kakimir> cc3d had
2015-10-15T00:30:28 < kakimir> bounced about 1microsecond back and forth
2015-10-15T00:32:58 < kakimir> or tx-rx induced jitter but I bet it's not that much at all
2015-10-15T00:33:26 < kakimir> now I know how much to assume jitter
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2015-10-15T01:01:50 < kakimir> I just figured good use for aoa sensor
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2015-10-15T01:02:04 < kakimir> + pitot
2015-10-15T01:02:12 < kakimir> glider
2015-10-15T01:02:31 < kakimir> to find that sweet spot
2015-10-15T01:04:47 < Laurenceb_> pitot is very very useful on fixed wing
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2015-10-15T01:04:57 < Laurenceb_> but a pain to build for slow flying stuff
2015-10-15T01:05:21 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-15T01:05:25 < kakimir> that is a problem
2015-10-15T01:05:38 < kakimir> there should be some other sensor for glider
2015-10-15T01:05:43 < Laurenceb_> maybe honeywell truestability range
2015-10-15T01:05:47 < Laurenceb_> i havent tried that
2015-10-15T01:06:14 < kakimir> sound expensives
2015-10-15T01:06:20 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-10-15T01:06:32 < kakimir> sounds rather heavy too
2015-10-15T01:06:39 < Laurenceb_> that too
2015-10-15T01:06:59 < Laurenceb_> i did try the bare honeywell sensor
2015-10-15T01:07:10 < Laurenceb_> but there was too much interference from the magno
2015-10-15T01:07:18 < kakimir> magno?
2015-10-15T01:07:21 < Laurenceb_> honeywell magnos use huge currents
2015-10-15T01:07:22 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-10-15T01:07:32 < Laurenceb_> like ten amps peak or something
2015-10-15T01:07:49 < Laurenceb_> it was inductively coupling
2015-10-15T01:10:30 < kakimir> I don't understand
2015-10-15T01:10:57 < kakimir> and I should not
2015-10-15T01:11:05 < kakimir> what were you doings and why?
2015-10-15T01:11:10 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/9cC04.jpg
2015-10-15T01:11:16 < Laurenceb_> magno is top center
2015-10-15T01:11:22 < kakimir> sounds medical
2015-10-15T01:11:46 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/id8jy.jpg
2015-10-15T01:12:04 < Laurenceb_> 26PC01SMT is the pitot sensor
2015-10-15T01:12:10 < Laurenceb_> it was opposite
2015-10-15T01:12:23 < Laurenceb_> then LTC2481 to digitise
2015-10-15T01:12:30 < kakimir> are everyone building their own flight controllers?
2015-10-15T01:12:32 < Laurenceb_> it worked nicely with the magno off
2015-10-15T01:12:36 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-10-15T01:12:43 < Laurenceb_> probably on this channel lol
2015-10-15T01:12:55 < kakimir> so creative
2015-10-15T01:13:07 < kakimir> why not combine efforts and kick ass
2015-10-15T01:13:14 < Laurenceb_> hence taulabs
2015-10-15T01:13:18 < kakimir> and die
2015-10-15T01:13:53 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-15T01:14:09 < kakimir> so what is this?
2015-10-15T01:14:18 < Laurenceb_> its a flight controller i made
2015-10-15T01:14:24 < Laurenceb_> my first stm32 project lol
2015-10-15T01:14:45 < kakimir> where is outputs
2015-10-15T01:15:00 < kakimir> does it run anything useful software?
2015-10-15T01:15:01 < Laurenceb_> huh? pwm at side of board
2015-10-15T01:15:17 < Laurenceb_> I wrote some custom firmware based on ported openpilot code
2015-10-15T01:15:43 < Laurenceb_> never completely finished it, I got hung up on half finished EKF code, whilst they gave up and moved the complimentary
2015-10-15T01:15:49 < kakimir> EKF?
2015-10-15T01:15:57 < Laurenceb_> extended kalman filter
2015-10-15T01:16:06 < Laurenceb_> itd be nice to try to port taulabs
2015-10-15T01:16:21 < Laurenceb_> but most of the problems it was trying to solve have been solved with latest taulabs
2015-10-15T01:16:30 < Laurenceb_> integrated ISM band comms
2015-10-15T01:16:43 < Laurenceb_> just need taulabs board with GPS and this design is redundant
2015-10-15T01:16:56 < kakimir> how does this board look so funky?
2015-10-15T01:17:10 < kakimir> at has shapes everywhere
2015-10-15T01:17:13 < Laurenceb_> it was designed for fixed wing only
2015-10-15T01:17:14 < kakimir> and connectors
2015-10-15T01:17:18 < Laurenceb_> vertical mounting
2015-10-15T01:17:50 < kakimir> what that RF shield does?
2015-10-15T01:18:06 < Laurenceb_> covers the ISM transceiver
2015-10-15T01:18:19 < kakimir> ISM as?
2015-10-15T01:18:34 < kakimir> 433?
2015-10-15T01:19:06 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-10-15T01:19:42 < kakimir> it would be great to have integrated 2.4ghz receivers to these all flight controllers
2015-10-15T01:19:47 < Laurenceb_> NO
2015-10-15T01:19:51 < Laurenceb_> 2.4Ghz sucks
2015-10-15T01:19:54 < kakimir> remove ton of crap
2015-10-15T01:19:57 < Laurenceb_> completely the wrong choice
2015-10-15T01:20:07 < Laurenceb_> but you are right about integrating everything
2015-10-15T01:20:08 < BrainDamage> 2.4 GHz is polluted as fuck and has high attenuation
2015-10-15T01:20:13 < Laurenceb_> ^
2015-10-15T01:20:30 < kakimir> then multiband receiver
2015-10-15T01:20:39 < Laurenceb_> my main fail on that board was the pitot
2015-10-15T01:20:47 < kakimir> how so?
2015-10-15T01:20:48 < Laurenceb_> also use of xtal for the radio
2015-10-15T01:20:55 < Laurenceb_> TCXO would be much better
2015-10-15T01:21:03 < Laurenceb_> are you senile?
2015-10-15T01:21:19 < Laurenceb_> I said earlier - magno screws it up
2015-10-15T01:21:19 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-15T01:21:44 < kakimir> what is magno
2015-10-15T01:21:56 < Laurenceb_> magnetometer - LSM303DLH
2015-10-15T01:22:32 < kakimir> shutdown mahno
2015-10-15T01:22:35 < kakimir> magno
2015-10-15T01:22:39 < Laurenceb_> genius
2015-10-15T01:22:44 < Laurenceb_> then the plane crashes
2015-10-15T01:22:57 < kakimir> why
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2015-10-15T01:23:09 < kakimir> oh it has 9dof
2015-10-15T01:23:11 < Laurenceb_> ARGGGGGG
2015-10-15T01:23:13 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-10-15T01:23:35 < Laurenceb_> slowkimir
2015-10-15T01:23:35 < kakimir> have seperate shiet
2015-10-15T01:24:07 < kakimir> slow and useless
2015-10-15T01:24:20 < Laurenceb_> that defeats the point of a single integrated PCB
2015-10-15T01:24:33 < Laurenceb_> but I think honeywell truestability solves the problem
2015-10-15T01:24:53 < Laurenceb_> low drift and high sensitivity 3.3v SMD sensors
2015-10-15T01:24:56 < kakimir> how about moving that magno to 3cm futher?
2015-10-15T01:25:18 < kakimir> okay.. show the plane
2015-10-15T01:25:22 < Laurenceb_> maybe, but the bare sensor is so sensitive it still picks up other noise
2015-10-15T01:25:28 < Laurenceb_> hah I didnt get that far
2015-10-15T01:25:44 < Laurenceb_> but the idea would be to stick it in a cheap ebay RTF thing
2015-10-15T01:26:04 < Laurenceb_> there is another option
2015-10-15T01:26:14 < Laurenceb_> there are now MEMS thermal anemometers
2015-10-15T01:26:20 < Laurenceb_> might work very well
2015-10-15T01:26:42 < kakimir> how much that board costs when you get those nice parts to it?
2015-10-15T01:26:57 < Laurenceb_>  ~UKP350
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2015-10-15T01:28:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.first-sensor.com/cms/upload/datasheets/DS_Standard-LDE_E_11815.pdf
2015-10-15T01:28:43 < Laurenceb_> 3.3v SMD thermal sensor
2015-10-15T01:29:30 < Laurenceb_> the 500Pa one would be 110km/h full scale range
2015-10-15T01:29:42 < Laurenceb_> a little low but useful for some fixed wing applications
2015-10-15T01:30:20 < kakimir> with glider you don't need exact number above 110km/h
2015-10-15T01:30:22 < Laurenceb_> and 7mA current - very nice for thermal
2015-10-15T01:33:51 < Laurenceb_> but first sensor are expensive - unless you can blag free samples
2015-10-15T01:34:30 < kakimir> is that better than honeywell?
2015-10-15T01:35:01 < Laurenceb_> dunno havent read truestability datasheets
2015-10-15T01:35:10 < Laurenceb_> we have used first sensor things at work
2015-10-15T01:35:12 < englishman> f042 nucleo is cool
2015-10-15T01:35:17 < englishman> too bad tehres zero documentation on it!!!
2015-10-15T01:35:23 < Laurenceb_> lol  https://i.imgur.com/WHKStYk.png
2015-10-15T01:36:19 < kakimir> axis are wrong
2015-10-15T01:38:21 < kakimir> http://fi.mouser.com/ProductDetail/First-Sensor/LDES025UF6S/?qs=%2fha2pyFadui2Kw0ZijNcLI4gXr%2fS5YNtlpEwDGcA7BKjcliz9HDR%252bQ%3d%3d sweet moses
2015-10-15T01:38:30 < kakimir> dat price
2015-10-15T01:38:47 < Laurenceb_> sounds about right
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2015-10-15T01:39:01 < Laurenceb_> also eww 5V
2015-10-15T01:39:05 < Laurenceb_> there is a 3V version
2015-10-15T01:39:14 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-15T01:39:55 < Laurenceb_> but no stock
2015-10-15T01:40:00 < Laurenceb_> I have them at work
2015-10-15T01:40:14 < kakimir> why
2015-10-15T01:40:23 < kakimir> you have them
2015-10-15T01:41:00 < Laurenceb_> for medical sensors (my job)
2015-10-15T01:42:46 < kakimir> I wouldn't put that expensive sensor to glider.. I can't figure case that justifies that expensive thing
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2015-10-15T01:46:05 < kakimir> maybe if there was asset value in device
2015-10-15T01:46:20 < BrainDamage> missiles can afford laser gyros for inertial navigation and they literally end up in smoke
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2015-10-15T01:46:38 < kakimir> taxpayers pay
2015-10-15T01:46:54 < kakimir> you afford everything
2015-10-15T01:46:54 < BrainDamage> start a kickstarter
2015-10-15T01:46:56 < Roklobsta> missiles with frickin' lasers on their heads?
2015-10-15T01:46:59 < Laurenceb_> ok I found some nice stuff
2015-10-15T01:47:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en?pv1291=1799&FV=ffecc0c3%2Cffecc0c4%2Cffecc0c5%2Cffecc0c6%2Cfff4001e%2Cfff800b3%2Cfffc0156%2Cfffc01e0%2Cfffc061e%2Ca40092%2C2400204%2C240039a%2C240039b%2C240039c%2C240039d%2C240039e%2C240039f%2C24003a1%2C24003a2%2C24003a4%2C24003a5%2C24003a6%2C24003a7%2C24003a8%2C24003a9%2C24003aa%2C24003ab%2C3680004%2C4500013%2C450001e%2C4500124%2C4500137%2C4500231%2C45004ba%2C4500523%2C45006
2015-10-15T01:47:00 < Laurenceb_> aa%2C45007f3%2C450119e&k=pressure&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
2015-10-15T01:47:04 < Laurenceb_> sheet
2015-10-15T01:47:25 < kakimir> it's quite ok that missiles are expensice laser shiet
2015-10-15T01:47:36 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/XrjxbpjD
2015-10-15T01:48:00 < BrainDamage> pastebin for links, we're really getting to insanity levels
2015-10-15T01:48:59 < Laurenceb_> hah 3mA
2015-10-15T01:49:03 < kakimir> what is not okay is that I'm not profiting from it
2015-10-15T01:50:21 < Laurenceb_> top 2 are nice, only difference is the I2C address
2015-10-15T01:50:37 < kakimir> is there datasheets laura?
2015-10-15T01:51:08 < BrainDamage> if you click on datasheet, yes
2015-10-15T01:51:19 < kakimir> sweet
2015-10-15T01:52:19 < Laurenceb_> 14 bit 2kHz update
2015-10-15T01:52:22 < Laurenceb_> thats epic
2015-10-15T01:52:46 < Laurenceb_> 2.1mA @ 3.3v and 4.2Pa total error
2015-10-15T01:52:50 < Laurenceb_> insane
2015-10-15T01:53:08 < kakimir> is that thermal based?
2015-10-15T01:53:23 < Laurenceb_> yes, and a small gravity related term
2015-10-15T01:53:37 < BrainDamage> that's only in compensated temp range tough
2015-10-15T01:53:48 < kakimir> heat it up
2015-10-15T01:54:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah honeywell is probably better for pitot
2015-10-15T01:54:13 < kakimir> put it in foam
2015-10-15T01:54:19 < kakimir> long tubing
2015-10-15T01:54:26 < kakimir> small heater and thermometer
2015-10-15T01:54:29 < Laurenceb_> good to 170km/h
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2015-10-15T01:54:34 < Laurenceb_> no thats a stupid idea
2015-10-15T01:54:39 < Guest58714> hi
2015-10-15T01:54:44 < Laurenceb_> just leave it alone and it will work fine
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2015-10-15T01:54:51 < kakimir> yes
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2015-10-15T01:55:24 < BMWMPower_> i am working on the STM32F103C8T6
2015-10-15T01:55:32 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: that's awesome, i have been lookng for pressure sensors that can handle liquid
2015-10-15T01:55:50 < BMWMPower_> with mikroC and ST Link v2
2015-10-15T01:56:37 < BMWMPower_> the code is getting in the MCU
2015-10-15T01:56:51 < BMWMPower_> but does not seem to work...
2015-10-15T01:58:11 < kakimir> how to deal with pitot moisture and actual water?
2015-10-15T01:58:46 < BMWMPower_> anyone tried th STM32f103?
2015-10-15T02:00:28 < kakimir> maybe little container to pitot tubing
2015-10-15T02:01:04 < kakimir> BMWMPower_: you have question about it?
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2015-10-15T02:02:27 < BMWMPower_> well i am still experimenting...but the boot jumpers are right...and a simple loop setting GPIO B1 on/off must work :-)
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2015-10-15T02:03:27 < BMWMPower_> i want to program it with C (MikroC for ARM cortex M3)
2015-10-15T02:03:49 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: good point
2015-10-15T02:04:02 < Laurenceb_> but there should be no significant flow through the sensor
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2015-10-15T02:04:39 < kakimir> water droplet hitting pitot at 170kmh
2015-10-15T02:04:47 < Laurenceb_> air france :P
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2015-10-15T02:07:53 < kakimir> hah.. modern planes have no aoa gauges on cockpit
2015-10-15T02:08:07 < kakimir> how could you fly such thing
2015-10-15T02:11:24 < kakimir> only gauge that could clearly indicate is plane flying or not
2015-10-15T02:11:30 < kakimir> *if
2015-10-15T02:11:47 < kakimir> if plane is*
2015-10-15T02:21:23 < kakimir> put ice in pitot and you have no idea
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2015-10-15T02:27:24 < englishman> so you use pitot heat
2015-10-15T02:27:31 < englishman> or one of several backup pitots
2015-10-15T02:27:37 < englishman> or, good old logic
2015-10-15T02:27:42 < kakimir> froze them too
2015-10-15T02:27:53 < englishman> hey, airspeed is low and we are losing altitude
2015-10-15T02:28:01 < englishman> maybe i should pull back more and aggravate the stall
2015-10-15T02:28:07 < kakimir> forget to heat them
2015-10-15T02:28:17 < kakimir> crash in ocean
2015-10-15T02:28:20 < englishman> or it could be 4am and i am a pilot getting off a 900 hour shift
2015-10-15T02:28:22 < englishman> and that happens
2015-10-15T02:28:23 < englishman> yes
2015-10-15T02:45:31 < kakimir> would call that design flaw
2015-10-15T02:47:55  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2015-10-15T02:48:07 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-15T02:48:37 < zyp> kakimir, you're not making sense
2015-10-15T02:48:54 < zyp> AoA gauges are also fed by pitots
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2015-10-15T02:57:57 < kakimir> http://asndata.aviation-safety.net.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/aoa-rs-probes-a330.png  nope.exe
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2015-10-15T03:01:37 < kakimir> also both sides of plane have em
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2015-10-15T03:02:15 < kakimir> http://s277.photobucket.com/user/batcave777/media/A330_Probes_Location_F-GZCP_2009-06.jpg.html
2015-10-15T03:04:24 < kakimir> as you can't measure ambient temperature because of speed airliners fly there is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_air_temperature
2015-10-15T03:04:38 < kakimir> didn't know that
2015-10-15T03:06:11 < dongs> haha holy shit zano is STILL DOWN
2015-10-15T03:06:52 < dongs> at least the forum
2015-10-15T03:06:56 < dongs> they fixed webshit + account
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2015-10-15T03:23:36 < Simon--> haha
2015-10-15T03:23:37 < Simon--> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
2015-10-15T03:23:40 < Simon--> Server: ZANO/1.0.0
2015-10-15T03:24:10 < Simon--> guess they needed to write their own webserver also..probably in assembler
2015-10-15T03:28:24 < BrainDamage> i cannot even image what ip networking entails to in asm
2015-10-15T03:28:58 < BrainDamage> the tcp state machine will be just lovely ...
2015-10-15T03:31:24 < dongs> Simon--: wat
2015-10-15T03:31:29 < dongs> www.flyzano.com?
2015-10-15T03:31:43 < dongs> oh haha really.
2015-10-15T03:35:37 < dongs> it is sad. no contact. no support . no forum . not return shipping . no answers. Problems about problems . no functioning Zano . How should this continue? the promise the man in 72 hours an answer is not correct containings . No reply to e -mails . I am disappointed , like many others
2015-10-15T03:37:42 < dongs> Simon--: its crappache btw, /server-status 403s
2015-10-15T03:37:48 < dongs> ivan must be a gentoo fan
2015-10-15T03:41:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_dvKKzexMY hey look non-zano actually delivering something
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2015-10-15T03:44:13 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-15T03:44:20 < dongs> CX10 charger draws 1A at startup
2015-10-15T03:44:40 < dongs> and battery seems to lose charge overnight
2015-10-15T03:44:53 < dongs> it was full yesterday, its charging it at 0.5A already
2015-10-15T03:53:15 < zyp> haha
2015-10-15T03:54:01 < dongs> i wonder if leaving the yellow charge cord shit plugged in is what  drained it
2015-10-15T03:54:10 < dongs> like it went back into the charger in reverse or whatever
2015-10-15T03:54:17 < dongs> cuz yeah batt seems completely empty this morning
2015-10-15T03:54:31 < dongs> was gonna take some morning zano flightvids
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2015-10-15T04:02:35 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a19_1444852745 lol attn upgrdman
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2015-10-15T04:24:19 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/GleamingEthicalCurlew wat]
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2015-10-15T04:30:32 < Sync> where is the problem dongs?
2015-10-15T04:30:42 < dongs> how?
2015-10-15T04:31:00 < Sync> how it works?
2015-10-15T04:31:35 < Sync> simple, those are two EDM cut pieces with very close trollerances
2015-10-15T04:31:46 < Sync> there is a youtube video on how it is made
2015-10-15T04:37:28 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/VOumTMj.jpg
2015-10-15T04:44:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hfu6cKb6v4
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2015-10-15T04:45:07 < jadew> that's still the clone, right?
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2015-10-15T04:46:36 < zyp> woo, swarming!
2015-10-15T04:47:58 < upgrdman> dongs, re: liveleak... wow... damn.
2015-10-15T04:48:01 < dongs> lol
2015-10-15T04:48:09 < dongs> they're flattered
2015-10-15T04:48:14 < upgrdman> uh huh
2015-10-15T04:49:48 < zyp> dongs, so, uh, that's the cx10?
2015-10-15T04:49:54 < dongs> cx10c yea
2015-10-15T04:50:00 < dongs> $28 zano killer
2015-10-15T04:59:46 < Sync> wow such quality
2015-10-15T05:12:37 < ReadError> dongs korea said they would panelize free so i gave up
2015-10-15T05:13:06 < ReadError> Half hole cutting process is for removing burrs.
2015-10-15T05:13:16 < ReadError> they wanted 100$ to remove burrs though heh
2015-10-15T05:13:26 < ReadError> from halfhole
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2015-10-15T05:30:17 < dongs> of course you being a fucking jew rejected common sense
2015-10-15T05:31:39 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/yPG7rTD.jpg
2015-10-15T05:31:45 < ReadError> if its just those I can deal with it
2015-10-15T05:31:55 < ReadError> if it was being pick-n-placed I would get it though
2015-10-15T05:44:42 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5X5RmtiO98 jewtube did a pretty good job deshaking that vid
2015-10-15T05:46:59 < ReadError> I THINK IT WAS NOT HARMED LOL.
2015-10-15T05:47:05 < zyp> dongs, I hear you're interested in trying custom firmware for your zano
2015-10-15T05:47:12 < ReadError> you posting these on the zano forums for extra trolling?
2015-10-15T05:47:15 < zyp> sorry, firmwar
2015-10-15T05:47:18 < zyp> firmwear
2015-10-15T05:48:00 < dongs> ReadError: they find them quick enough
2015-10-15T05:48:06 < emeb_mac> furmwhere
2015-10-15T05:48:10 < dongs> both of my old ones were posted there already
2015-10-15T05:48:14 < dongs> but now forum is down anyway
2015-10-15T05:49:49 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/8cKWkHj.png
2015-10-15T05:51:10 < ReadError> dongs you should post in the comments that Ivan gave you special beta firmware
2015-10-15T05:51:17 < ReadError> so everyone hits him up asking for it
2015-10-15T05:51:24 < dongs> too late
2015-10-15T05:51:25 < zyp> haha
2015-10-15T05:51:30 < dongs> his PM inbox is already full
2015-10-15T05:59:24 < dongs> Ivan Reedman began breaking ground on autonomous, intelligent, swarming Nano UAV's in 2010. Starting with a 240mm x 240mm UAV, Ivan and his team of highly skilled engineers and developers at Torquing Group worked tirelessly to continue to reduce the size of this UAV technology, without impacting on its capabilities.
2015-10-15T05:59:30 < dongs>  Initially targeting the defence, industrial and law enforcement markets, the idea for a consumer version of this Nano UAV technology was first raised in October 2013 at the weekly Torquing Group team meeting.
2015-10-15T05:59:36 < dongs> The team felt they were finally ready for the challenge to get this technology out to the consumer and make aerial photography and video capture truly accessible to anyone with a smart device. ZANO was born and the race was on to get this sophisticated technology to market affordably.
2015-10-15T06:01:06 < upgrdman> old but awesome  http://i.imgur.com/Rlo7oMs.jpg
2015-10-15T06:01:29 < jadew> I never saw the two chicks before
2015-10-15T06:01:43 < jadew> or maybe this is not the one
2015-10-15T06:02:43 < upgrdman> LOL  http://i.imgur.com/WBztOpt.gifv
2015-10-15T06:03:18 < dongs> upgrdman: lol is that animals or ISIS fgts
2015-10-15T06:03:22 < ReadError> is that steve jobs?
2015-10-15T06:03:34 < jadew> instant stake
2015-10-15T06:03:42 < upgrdman> dongs, supposedly feral hogs
2015-10-15T06:07:05 < jadew> does planned parenthood means something else in the US, other than... planning when to have a kid?
2015-10-15T06:07:24 < jadew> I'm reading this thread on imgur and it doesn't make sense
2015-10-15T06:07:45 < jadew> "Only 3% of it deals with abortions, the other 97% a mix of helping you not get a baby and how to have/keep a baby healthy"
2015-10-15T06:07:52 < jadew> "Not to mention comprehensive sex education which I'm sure includes how to keep yourself free of STD's."
2015-10-15T06:08:04 < jadew> sounds like an institution or a government programme
2015-10-15T06:08:11 < dongs> its some usa company
2015-10-15T06:08:16 < dongs> for-profit shit
2015-10-15T06:08:22 < ReadError> planned parenthood is like
2015-10-15T06:08:25 < ReadError> abortions and such
2015-10-15T06:08:25 < jadew> ah
2015-10-15T06:08:32 < ReadError> typically
2015-10-15T06:09:13 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/apOeRLa
2015-10-15T06:09:44 < jadew> ah ha, so I take it they also made a company around that?
2015-10-15T06:10:13 < upgrdman> abortions are a small part of what PP does
2015-10-15T06:10:28 < upgrdman> most of it is contraceptives and legit health stuff
2015-10-15T06:10:53 < jadew> got it
2015-10-15T06:11:06 < jadew> contraceptives suck
2015-10-15T06:12:10 < jadew> pills have all kinds of side effects and condoms take all the pleasure away
2015-10-15T06:12:28 < upgrdman> LOL  http://imgur.com/RJZVylv
2015-10-15T06:13:41 < jadew> tampon remover?
2015-10-15T06:15:06 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2015-10-15T06:17:39 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUtPgjf9Mo&feature=youtu.be
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2015-10-15T06:24:27 < dongs> not too funny
2015-10-15T06:26:01 < jadew> that account has only one video, that one
2015-10-15T06:26:14 < dongs> zano-purpose account
2015-10-15T06:26:18 < jadew> I suspect it belongs to the guy in the video
2015-10-15T06:26:26 < jadew> we can probably expect more, given the name of the channel
2015-10-15T06:26:49 < dongs> based on the compression artifacts I would suspect its some shitty video ripped and reposted from facebook/tumblr/twatter/etc.
2015-10-15T06:26:53 < dongs> i can clearly see dixels
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2015-10-15T06:28:20 < zyp> 05:12:11 < jadew> pills have all kinds of side effects and condoms take all the pleasure away
2015-10-15T06:28:30 < zyp> so that's why you go the easy way and just don't have sex?
2015-10-15T06:28:49 < dongs> then you install lunix
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2015-10-15T06:29:01 < jadew> zyp, you can use the calendar method
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2015-10-15T06:29:06 < zyp> dongs, best contraception
2015-10-15T06:29:34 < jadew> and on top of everything being great, you also get to celebrate every month, when her period starts
2015-10-15T06:30:06 < zyp> haha
2015-10-15T06:30:53 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/bA2Jiz9.jpg
2015-10-15T06:31:00 < zyp> or you could just pull out during the unsafe days!
2015-10-15T06:31:08 < jadew> I just generated that :P
2015-10-15T06:31:21 < jadew> nah, pulling out is super risky
2015-10-15T06:32:31 < jadew> during the unsafe days it's better to go manual
2015-10-15T06:34:34 < dongs> ##stm32-sex-advice
2015-10-15T06:35:36 < zyp> I saw a girl once who thought that combination was a good idea, didn't find out before she one day mid-fuck told me «today you have to pull out, it's one of my unsafe days»
2015-10-15T06:35:41 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/03/26/japan-now-has-so-many-30-year-old-virgins-its-language-needs-a-new-slang-term-for-them/
2015-10-15T06:35:46 < zyp> I thought she was on the pill or something
2015-10-15T06:35:47 < dongs> jadew: your assistance required
2015-10-15T06:36:50 < jadew> dongs, if it was china it would have been chingin
2015-10-15T06:37:02 < jadew> zyp, hah
2015-10-15T06:37:27 < jadew> how did you feel afterwards?
2015-10-15T06:38:15 < zyp> eh, as far as I know I'm still not a dad, so no harm done
2015-10-15T06:38:39 < jadew> heh, I almost got burned on several occasions
2015-10-15T06:38:43 < jadew> then I got burned
2015-10-15T06:39:01 < jadew> it's cool tho, he's super cool :P
2015-10-15T06:39:11 < zyp> :p
2015-10-15T06:40:38 < jadew> now I'm like "- What day is today? - blah blah. - Ok, see you in a week!"
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2015-10-15T07:07:10 < jpa-> comment on blog: "this is really amazing ,bt i wil like to get a way to contact u for some ...."    uh oh, i really hope he won't try to contact me for "some"
2015-10-15T07:08:57 < jadew> google didn't index that yet
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2015-10-15T07:09:25 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/comments/toycar/steer
2015-10-15T07:12:45 < jadew> ffs... I realized earlier tonight that I can't pronice th correctly
2015-10-15T07:12:55 < jadew> every word I ever said with th in it came out weird
2015-10-15T07:13:05 < jadew> *pronounce
2015-10-15T07:13:27 < jadew> da dat dese
2015-10-15T07:13:29 < jpa-> time to send out apologies
2015-10-15T07:13:55 < jadew> I'm trying to learn how to pronounce it and it's painful
2015-10-15T07:14:23 < dongs> jpa, what teh fuck is up wiht those drawings on the page
2015-10-15T07:14:26 < dongs> they look like patent drawings
2015-10-15T07:15:07 < jpa-> lol
2015-10-15T07:15:24 < jpa-> drawn in open sores, maybe that's why
2015-10-15T07:15:34 < dongs> HEH
2015-10-15T07:19:29 < ReadError> Burrs like your picture.
2015-10-15T07:19:29 < ReadError> We go to production.
2015-10-15T07:19:29 < ReadError> Thank you
2015-10-15T07:19:34 < ReadError> ole Han is on the ball
2015-10-15T07:27:55 < dongs> upgrdman: lol http://i.imgur.com/4KJ7y2U.gif
2015-10-15T07:28:11 < upgrdman> lol, old, the guy died
2015-10-15T07:29:43 < dongs> no doubt
2015-10-15T07:38:37 < jadew> I found the story for that gif: http://www.qatarliving.com/forum/qatar-living-lounge/posts/child-shoots-kills-own-father
2015-10-15T07:40:28 < jadew> it interrupted my pronunciation practice
2015-10-15T07:59:26 < upgrdman> flyback, why you linking that trash
2015-10-15T08:00:16 < jpa-> we have flyback here? lol, i must be seeing a much cleaner channel than you guys :)
2015-10-15T08:01:05 < englishman> f042 nucleo is pretty cool, even has downloadable altidumb schematics and layout with nice 3d render
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2015-10-15T08:04:04 < upgrdman> jpa-, he's much more sedate recently.
2015-10-15T08:04:32 < jpa-> yeah, crazies often have their seasons
2015-10-15T08:07:48 < jadew> flyback, tell him yourself, we're not going to insult him for you
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2015-10-15T08:23:27 < dongs> zano form still down
2015-10-15T08:23:30 < dongs> having super withdrawals
2015-10-15T08:32:40 < dongs> Unlimited colour RGB 8*8 pixel front display supporting animations, icons etc - Which doubles as a camera flash!
2015-10-15T08:35:07 < jpa-> unlimited colours!
2015-10-15T08:35:22 < jpa-> (* limited to RGB led color gamut)
2015-10-15T08:35:22 < dongs> ivan was just recently posting there they can only do ~8 colors
2015-10-15T08:35:33 < dongs> cuz that driver doesn't pwm unless you do
2015-10-15T08:35:37 < jpa-> lol :D
2015-10-15T08:36:12 < englishman> lol
2015-10-15T08:36:37 < englishman> thats pretty bad for a 24 year strong military contractor
2015-10-15T08:51:24 < dongs> its only 24 years if you count ivan starting his scambiz @ 13y.o
2015-10-15T08:51:43 < dongs> Due to a network hardware failure, we are restoring critical systems first. The forum will be restored as soon as possible.
2015-10-15T08:51:51 < dongs> flyzaNO forum finally "sorta up"
2015-10-15T08:51:54 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/
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2015-10-15T09:43:03 < gjm> >Uploaded a year ago
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2015-10-15T10:59:55 < dongs> I received my ZANO this morning.... Charged all batteries, registrated, downloaded app and firmware and... and boxed it until people behind ZANO will work on propper application as this one is far beyond my criticism...
2015-10-15T10:59:59 < dongs> Nice little toy - quite expensive and absolutely raw...
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2015-10-15T11:33:59 < jadew> do you guys put programming languages at the skill section on linkedin or just programming
2015-10-15T11:34:36 < PeterM> whats a linkadin? is that like a paladin?
2015-10-15T11:35:34 < jadew> of course
2015-10-15T11:36:10 < Taxman> does one know how it is possible to receive big amounts of data via RS232 on a linux pc without handshake and without dropped bytes?
2015-10-15T11:36:31 < PeterM> i guess stats, beside charisma
2015-10-15T11:37:13 < PeterM> i'd probably put debugging beside spells and abilities, near detect evil
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2015-10-15T11:51:10 < jadew> PeterM, I kinda made it clear that I'm good at that stuff in the summary
2015-10-15T11:53:51 < jadew> hmm, I don't feel like filling my profile with bullshit so it doesn't look as nice as others
2015-10-15T11:54:05 < jadew> bummer
2015-10-15T11:55:04 < artag> a better way is to not fill it in at all. linkedin is just a spam machine
2015-10-15T11:55:47 < artag> ++PeterM
2015-10-15T11:55:49 < jpa-> i agree
2015-10-15T11:55:56 < jpa-> atleast, never send invitations out
2015-10-15T11:56:07 < jadew> I'm not planning to send invitations
2015-10-15T11:56:10 < jpa-> it just makes you look like an idiot when linkedin secretly spams your friends 10x
2015-10-15T11:56:32 < jadew> I just want to remind my boss my skillset
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2015-10-15T11:57:27 < jadew> haven't got a raise in a while, maybe filling my profile and showing up will be enough
2015-10-15T11:58:13 < jpa-> my plan for next annual review is "Is there something I can do to get my pay raised?"
2015-10-15T11:58:20 < jadew> heh
2015-10-15T11:58:25 < jadew> good one
2015-10-15T11:58:34 < PeterM> jadew, no seriously
2015-10-15T11:58:42 < jadew> I haven't got a raise in ~3 years
2015-10-15T11:58:48 < PeterM> if you dont ask for a raise you probably wont get one
2015-10-15T11:59:11 < PeterM> ask for a raise, worst that can happen is everything stays the same
2015-10-15T11:59:13 < jadew> PeterM, I'll probably ask after we launch the current project
2015-10-15T11:59:24 < jadew> I'm hoping the linked in profile will make my point for me tho
2015-10-15T11:59:44 < jpa-> i got 10% last time, but on the other hand i had accepted -15% from previous company when i switched here
2015-10-15T11:59:59 < artag> schedule a morning off, then arrive in the afternoon in a suit
2015-10-15T12:00:16 < jadew> last time I got 5%
2015-10-15T12:00:30 < jadew> artag, hah
2015-10-15T12:01:55 < artag> though if they don't respond to direct suggestions, you're probably better off seriously looking elsewhere. it's often too easy to stay where you are, but you can get far more out of a move (experience, interest, not just money).
2015-10-15T12:02:26 < jadew> I know, I turned two jobs down this year and I'm not sure it was the best call
2015-10-15T12:02:34 < artag> If you force them to give you a raise because you're useful, you're in danger of locking yourself in by getting paid more than the local market will bear
2015-10-15T12:02:36 < jadew> one of them was for NI
2015-10-15T12:03:42 < jadew> artag, that used to be the case a few years back, but the local market has drastically improved since and my salary has stayed the same
2015-10-15T12:04:21 < artag> you should definitely point that out
2015-10-15T12:04:22 < PeterM> jadew your salary should ALWAYS increase by a MINIMUM of the inflation rate
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2015-10-15T12:05:07 < jadew> good suggestion and good point
2015-10-15T12:05:19 < jadew> I never asked for a raise
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2015-10-15T12:17:11 < ReadError> so
2015-10-15T12:17:27 < ReadError> is 'deburring' castellated vias a normal charge at most places?
2015-10-15T12:18:45 < PeterM> no idea, but i can't see why it wouldnt be an extra charge
2015-10-15T12:19:35 < ReadError> yea makes sense, just wasnt sure if it was common
2015-10-15T12:19:47 < ReadError> PeterM put in an order w/ korea place
2015-10-15T12:20:06 < ReadError> so far good, they said they would panelize the boards
2015-10-15T12:24:19 < dongs> i hope they fuck up and your cloner trash comes all as a bunch of mangled crapped pcbs
2015-10-15T12:25:35 < ReadError> We want you to be 100% satisfaction with our good quality and on time delivery.
2015-10-15T12:25:36 < ReadError> We guarantee the quality in our production process..
2015-10-15T12:25:41 < ReadError> there is a guarantee
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2015-10-15T12:34:09 < PeterM> dongs can't be worse than oshfark
2015-10-15T12:35:15 < dongs> truly
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2015-10-15T12:40:14 < jadew> holly crap, there are so many cool jobs listed on linkedin
2015-10-15T12:40:21 < Laurenceb> pcbtrain is prob worse
2015-10-15T12:40:24 < Laurenceb> lol linkedin
2015-10-15T12:40:28 < Laurenceb> bullshitin
2015-10-15T12:40:47 < jadew> well, I just completed my account, it's new to me
2015-10-15T12:41:16 < Laurenceb> one of my pcbtrain board literally had pubes embedded in the lacquer
2015-10-15T12:41:27 < Laurenceb> *boards
2015-10-15T12:41:44 < jadew> pubes are best in food
2015-10-15T12:41:50 < Laurenceb> ewww
2015-10-15T12:42:28 < Laurenceb> maybe they ran low on lacquer and tried to add some of their own
2015-10-15T12:44:33 < Laurenceb> even worst chinapcb isnt that bad
2015-10-15T12:45:06 < Laurenceb> when we do EU grant funded shit at work we have to use pcbtrain :-/
2015-10-15T12:46:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/gary-niger/5b/6b7/80b
2015-10-15T12:47:28 < Laurenceb> holy shit the publications
2015-10-15T12:48:22 < Laurenceb> thats dongs btw
2015-10-15T12:58:03 < dongs> i have a dicked-in account
2015-10-15T12:58:40 < dongs> https://il.linkedin.com/pub/gary-niger/52/862/775
2015-10-15T12:59:06 < dongs> Laurenceb: no thats not mine
2015-10-15T12:59:08 < dongs> thats some faggot poser
2015-10-15T12:59:12 < dongs> mine is the one I just linked
2015-10-15T12:59:24 < dongs> goatse security is some retardred weev trash
2015-10-15T13:00:40 < jadew> well, my profile is ready and my spam is out
2015-10-15T13:00:50 < dongs> are you looking for jobz
2015-10-15T13:01:00 < jadew> no, a raise
2015-10-15T13:01:09 < dongs> how does being on dicked-in help that
2015-10-15T13:01:24 < jadew> just a reminder for my boss
2015-10-15T13:02:20 < jadew> on the other hand the jobs it popped up with are very enticing
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2015-10-15T13:10:02 < dongs> haha
2015-10-15T13:12:56 < Laurenceb> whats your day job jadew?
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2015-10-15T13:20:42 < dongs> zano forum still down
2015-10-15T13:20:46 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-15T13:20:55 < dongs> > Due to a network hardware failure, we are restoring critical systems first. The forum will be restored as soon as possible.
2015-10-15T13:20:56 < Laurenceb> killed to maintain image
2015-10-15T13:21:24 < Laurenceb> so I have this c code
2015-10-15T13:21:29 < Laurenceb> if(abs(vals[0]-old_vals[0])>old_vals[0]/PWM_STEP_LIM)
2015-10-15T13:21:44 < Laurenceb> it fails if old_vals[0] is too small
2015-10-15T13:21:53 < Laurenceb> as left hand side is 0
2015-10-15T13:22:20 < Laurenceb> I could add 1 to left hand side, but thats less accurate
2015-10-15T13:22:39 < Laurenceb> is there a simple way to prevent left had side being 0 ?
2015-10-15T13:22:50 < dongs> why does network hardware failure require "restoring" forum
2015-10-15T13:22:53 < dongs> holy fuck that fucking code
2015-10-15T13:23:04 < dongs> learn2indent
2015-10-15T13:23:11 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-10-15T13:24:50 < jpa-> Laurenceb: why not just    int new_quantized = vals[0]/PWM_STEP_SCALE;   if (new_quantized != old_quantized)
2015-10-15T13:24:56 < jpa-> if i understand what you are trying to do correctly
2015-10-15T13:25:14 < Laurenceb> yeah that might work
2015-10-15T13:26:11 < Laurenceb> basically PWM_STEP_LIM is 100
2015-10-15T13:26:20 < Laurenceb> so I'm looking for a less than 1% change
2015-10-15T13:26:39 < Laurenceb> but thats not possible with small values so my code never returns
2015-10-15T13:27:01 < Laurenceb> I need it to find "1% or the best possible result"
2015-10-15T13:27:31 < Laurenceb> vals is the result of a numerical fitter loop
2015-10-15T13:27:47 < jpa-> why 1% anyway?
2015-10-15T13:28:34 < jpa-> what are you actually trying to do?
2015-10-15T13:28:49 < jpa-> check if the quantized result changes, or to implement a 1% deadband?
2015-10-15T13:29:07 < jpa-> (and why would you make that 1% of old value, instead of 1% of full scale or similar?)
2015-10-15T13:30:11 < Sync> wat dongs
2015-10-15T13:30:16 < Sync> "network hardware"
2015-10-15T13:30:24 < Sync> do they mean, their single serveur?
2015-10-15T13:31:32 < Laurenceb> a 1% deadband
2015-10-15T13:31:52 < dongs> maybe BT disconnected their $2kGBP/month fiber
2015-10-15T13:31:56 < Laurenceb> but thats not possible if the solution is small as everything uses 16 bit integers
2015-10-15T13:31:56 < dongs> since they weren't paying for it
2015-10-15T13:32:05 < dongs> and they went back to pembrokeshire ADSL
2015-10-15T13:32:10 < jpa-> Laurenceb: is your process logarithmic or why do you want it to be 1% of the old value instead of full scale?
2015-10-15T13:32:15 < dongs> cuz forum now feels like its on fucking DSL
2015-10-15T13:32:17 < dongs> laggy as fuck
2015-10-15T13:32:33 < Laurenceb> yeah its logarithmic
2015-10-15T13:32:46 < jpa-> wouldn't everything work better if you just linearized it, or is that too slow?
2015-10-15T13:32:50 < Laurenceb> so the 1% deadband is 1% relative to the current value
2015-10-15T13:32:55 < Laurenceb> that would be too slow
2015-10-15T13:33:16 < Laurenceb> so as its relative to the current value its actually impossible for small values
2015-10-15T13:33:17 < jpa-> but how about   abs(100 - new_val * 100 / oldval) > 0
2015-10-15T13:33:19 < Laurenceb> hence the issue
2015-10-15T13:33:24 < jpa-> umm
2015-10-15T13:33:37 < jpa-> old_val != newval && oldval != 0 && that 
2015-10-15T13:33:57 < jpa-> ah
2015-10-15T13:34:15 < Laurenceb> sometimes it can get into a state where it jumps and and down by 1
2015-10-15T13:34:16 < jpa-> but hum, why would it be impossible, wouldn't at small values e.g. 1 -> 2 be a 100% change?
2015-10-15T13:34:30 < Laurenceb> and both values miss the solution by a few %
2015-10-15T13:34:37 < Laurenceb> but there is no better solution
2015-10-15T13:34:42 < Laurenceb> so it goes into a loop
2015-10-15T13:35:06 < jpa-> maybe you could just limit it to +- 1 instead of percents?
2015-10-15T13:35:14 < Laurenceb> yes thats my plan
2015-10-15T13:35:19 < Laurenceb> 1% or +-1
2015-10-15T13:35:59 < Laurenceb> say the true solution is 1.5, it can only pick 1 or 2, and has to live with ~50% error
2015-10-15T13:36:01 < jpa-> so   diff = abs(old - new);    if (diff > 1 && diff > old / 100)
2015-10-15T13:36:29 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-10-15T13:36:39 < Laurenceb> time to test this  :-S
2015-10-15T13:36:42 < jpa-> sounds reasonable :)
2015-10-15T13:36:47 < Laurenceb> problem is it uses heartrate data
2015-10-15T13:37:02 < Laurenceb> so I have to run up and down the fire escape to test
2015-10-15T13:37:11 < jpa-> why u no mocks
2015-10-15T13:37:14 < Laurenceb> should have recorded test signals earlier :-/
2015-10-15T13:37:16 < Laurenceb> fail
2015-10-15T13:37:40 < jpa-> i've found that pc runnable test set is pretty much a must for any signal processing crap
2015-10-15T13:37:52 < jpa-> otherwise you just break old cases when fixing new ones
2015-10-15T13:41:34 < Laurenceb> me too
2015-10-15T13:41:57 < Laurenceb> need to record some new test signals :-/
2015-10-15T13:42:14 < jpa-> Laurenceb: do you like your new chair?  https://i.imgur.com/SZRDf2b.png
2015-10-15T13:43:39 < Laurenceb> what the heck
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2015-10-15T14:13:49 < Laurenceb> awesome it works
2015-10-15T14:13:53 < Laurenceb> thanks jpa-
2015-10-15T14:23:23 < jpa-> np
2015-10-15T14:23:40 < jpa-> glad you got your chair
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2015-10-15T15:35:09 < qyx> lol
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2015-10-15T16:11:41 < gxti> "Bill Greiman (the guy behind the SdFat library) has ported FreeRTOS to work as an Arduino Library, with support for both AVR and ARM based boards."
2015-10-15T16:11:44 < gxti> finally!
2015-10-15T16:12:02 < gxti> now i can move all my stuff to arduino and code like a  pro
2015-10-15T16:12:59 < emeryth> can't wait for cubeMX + arduino IDE merge
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2015-10-15T16:14:23 < Tectu> LOL
2015-10-15T16:16:23 < emeryth> we already have arduino headers on ST boards
2015-10-15T16:16:28 < emeryth> it makes perfect sense
2015-10-15T16:16:50 < Sh4rK> Hi, does anyone have any experience driving T6963C LCDs?
2015-10-15T16:17:00 < Sh4rK> I can't get mine to work
2015-10-15T16:17:11 < karlp> maxim's new dev board for their cortex plus fancy AFE even has arduino headers onit
2015-10-15T16:17:19 < karlp> single chips are something like $15,
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2015-10-15T16:18:25 < Laurenceb> wut
2015-10-15T16:18:36 < Laurenceb> I thought FreeRTOS ran on avr since forever
2015-10-15T16:19:19 < gxti> yeah but was it arduino
2015-10-15T16:20:17 < gxti> not that that will be helpful at all, none of the other shitty libraries will be meaningfully compatible with a rtos
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2015-10-15T16:37:13 < dongs> zano still dead
2015-10-15T16:37:34 < Sh4rK> so noone can help me?
2015-10-15T16:37:44 < dongs> ohhh new dickstarter update
2015-10-15T16:38:54 < Laurenceb> on zano?
2015-10-15T16:39:03 < Laurenceb> project cancelled?
2015-10-15T16:41:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/posts/1383367
2015-10-15T16:42:06 < dongs> Despite our best efforts to design a product conducive to volume manufacturing, in reality, there are always growing pains and teething problems when scaling up to volume production for any consumer electronic device, especially one as complex as ZANO.
2015-10-15T16:42:10 < dongs> hahahahahah
2015-10-15T16:42:21 < dongs> no you fucking didnt
2015-10-15T16:42:25 < dongs> you dont even know what DFM is
2015-10-15T16:45:03 < dongs> Thomas has spent some time redesigning the plastics to allow for a more simple assembly process. We have timed the new process and we hope for one of our team members to assemble 12 - 15 ZANO.s per hour.
2015-10-15T16:45:08 < dongs> hahaha
2015-10-15T16:45:10 < dongs> wat
2015-10-15T16:47:47 < Laurenceb> the flying turd
2015-10-15T16:48:01 < dongs> The assembly process has previously been quite labor intensive, as we had to solder the motors ourselves, as well as conformal coat the motors and then fit the heavier plastics.
2015-10-15T16:48:04 < dongs> ??????????????
2015-10-15T16:48:07 < dongs> conformal coat motors wat
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2015-10-15T16:49:50 < englishman> what happened to 1000/day
2015-10-15T16:50:01 < dongs> DIP pin headers happened
2015-10-15T16:50:22 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-15T16:50:39 < dongs> so i called the number
2015-10-15T16:50:43 < dongs> on fcc documents
2015-10-15T16:50:51 < dongs> and its anna reedman personal cell
2015-10-15T16:51:02 < dongs> (its also the number on websites and shit)
2015-10-15T16:51:05 < dongs> for torquing
2015-10-15T16:51:06 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-10-15T16:52:14 < englishman> lol
2015-10-15T16:52:18 < englishman> did he answer
2015-10-15T16:52:23 < dongs> naw
2015-10-15T16:52:26 < dongs> gona try again
2015-10-15T16:52:28 < dongs> got voiceail
2015-10-15T16:52:30 < dongs> yesterday
2015-10-15T16:52:31 < dongs> voicemail
2015-10-15T16:52:36 < englishman> you record
2015-10-15T16:52:37 < englishman> ?
2015-10-15T16:52:47 < dongs> 3pm, maybe ill cal lagain
2015-10-15T16:52:51 < emeryth> > anyone got their Zano ? what is the experience ? is it as good as they mention ?
2015-10-15T16:52:53 < dongs> nah my analog phone on my desk doesnt record
2015-10-15T16:52:53 < emeryth> xD
2015-10-15T16:54:09 < dongs> Video Capture at a high quality (Better than a £75 china import!)
2015-10-15T16:54:10 < dongs> err
2015-10-15T16:54:13 < karlp> bah, fucking usb hub is in DFU mode,
2015-10-15T16:54:25 < dongs> current zano video is worse than a 18GBP chian import
2015-10-15T16:54:28 < karlp> datasheet doesn't say what pin I must have shorted or somethign to go into that mode or how to get out of it.
2015-10-15T16:54:35 < dongs> karlp: usb.. hub?
2015-10-15T16:54:40 < dongs> is this some china shit
2015-10-15T16:55:20 < karlp> no, usb2640 microchip shits
2015-10-15T16:55:50 < dongs> thats a non-existing part#
2015-10-15T16:55:57 < Sync> neg
2015-10-15T16:55:59 < karlp> try harder dongs
2015-10-15T16:56:00 < Sync> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=USB2640
2015-10-15T16:56:07 < dongs> No results found for +usb2640.
2015-10-15T16:56:09 < dongs> what hte hell FUCK GOOGLE
2015-10-15T16:56:23 < gxti> trying to be too smart
2015-10-15T16:56:27 < karlp> hrm, seems it's the card reader portion that's in DFU mode.
2015-10-15T16:56:30 < karlp> the hub is ok.
2015-10-15T16:56:37 < karlp> fuck yoooo microchip
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2015-10-15T16:57:15 < dongs> shoulda used PIC32MZ in USB hub mode
2015-10-15T16:57:18 < dongs> and written firmware in asma
2015-10-15T16:57:27 < dongs> wouldnt have these problems
2015-10-15T16:57:33 < karlp> don'tð laugh, the hub chip has an option for loading firmware from external spi flash
2015-10-15T16:57:42 < karlp> who wouldn't want to run their own hub firmware!
2015-10-15T16:58:17 < gxti> advanced 8051 programming
2015-10-15T16:58:33 < dongs> sucheol 32 minutes ago
2015-10-15T16:58:33 < karlp> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/279544/44917508/
2015-10-15T16:58:33 < dongs> It's time to get a refund. WTF you liar.
2015-10-15T16:58:56 < dongs> The positive on this is that the further out your delivery, the higher probability that all the annoying bugs/defects will likely be addressed. Plus several of the software features implemented.
2015-10-15T16:59:40 < mtbg> it will be autonomous and intelligent and swarming
2015-10-15T16:59:55 < karlp> hrm, I wonder if I can get dfu utils or something to say "reboot" or something
2015-10-15T17:00:02 < karlp> but it's gotta be an undocumented pin strap
2015-10-15T17:00:06 < dongs> Seriously? 16th February for something I was expecting 8 months before this date? And considering that I'm based in France and the eventual "manufacturing issues" I expect to see in the near future I don't think I'll see my zano even in February... If only there was a "refund" button somewhere I would have pressed it without hesitation...
2015-10-15T17:03:36 < dongs> wat
2015-10-15T17:05:34 < karlp> sweet, dfu-utils -U /tmp/blah -R reset it back into working mode :)
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2015-10-15T17:09:58 < dongs> HOLY SHIT
2015-10-15T17:10:04 < dongs> I JUST TALKED TO REECE CROWTHER
2015-10-15T17:10:12 < dongs> called that number
2015-10-15T17:10:15 < dongs> he picked up
2015-10-15T17:10:17 < dongs> im like
2015-10-15T17:10:20 < dongs> HEY MAN IS FORUM DOWN
2015-10-15T17:10:28 < dongs> "YES ITS DOWN, WE EXPECT TO HAVE IT BACK UP IN ABOUT 7 DAYS
2015-10-15T17:10:33 < dongs> i was like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait 7 days?
2015-10-15T17:10:38 < dongs> hes like yes
2015-10-15T17:10:41 < dongs> im like do you know whats wrong?
2015-10-15T17:10:44 < dongs> no, im not technical
2015-10-15T17:10:50 < dongs> OAKY SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH AVE A NICE DAY
2015-10-15T17:11:04 < gxti> much polite
2015-10-15T17:12:15 < Sync> kek
2015-10-15T17:13:18 < dongs> and hopefully profit
2015-10-15T17:13:23 < dongs> once my twitter account goes TO THE MOON
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2015-10-15T17:16:37 < dongs> reece says forums down for 7 days, ask him why xxx xxxx xx
2015-10-15T17:16:43 < dongs> seriosuly thinking of twatting this
2015-10-15T17:17:26 < Sync> teh fuck they do?
2015-10-15T17:17:39 < gxti> not much
2015-10-15T17:17:53 < mtbg> they rage quitted
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2015-10-15T17:47:20 < dongs> <l0de> Zano more like negro because it DOESNT WORK
2015-10-15T17:48:24 < __rob> their not doing very well are they
2015-10-15T17:48:48 < __rob> makes me think a spurious project on kickstarter is the way forward just to scam people for some holiday money
2015-10-15T17:48:54 < dongs> haha
2015-10-15T17:48:55 < __rob> like that guy with the instant charge battery
2015-10-15T17:50:02 < __rob> regarding the battery, he was called out publicly on it before he'd got anywhere near his $20,000
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2015-10-15T17:50:11 < __rob> and still got funded
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2015-10-15T17:50:50 < __rob> people can't wait to throw money at the most undeliverable things
2015-10-15T17:51:41 < __rob> StarCitizen is another that will likely be not even 10% of what was promised
2015-10-15T17:53:29 < dongs> also known as starshittyzen
2015-10-15T17:53:50 < dongs> I'm sure with the money you raked in it would not be a problem to employ a couple of students for an extra shift or two. Some of them would also be capable to help push the iOS app, to ensure the little thing is a bit more than a paper weight for the majority of people. Hope at least the guy who made the promotion video to sell these things was compensated properly.
2015-10-15T17:53:55 < dongs> What a muppet show.
2015-10-15T17:59:20 < jadew> [13:13.09] <Laurenceb> whats your day job jadew?
2015-10-15T17:59:32 < jadew> Laurenceb, sorry, I went to bed before you asked that
2015-10-15T17:59:44 < jadew> software architect
2015-10-15T17:59:59 < Laurenceb> embedded?
2015-10-15T18:00:02 < jadew> no
2015-10-15T18:00:24 < jadew> the electronics part is mainly a hobby
2015-10-15T18:02:56 < upgrdman_> whats a sw "architect" ? more high level planning, less coding?
2015-10-15T18:03:06 < upgrdman_> so like fuck tons of UML?
2015-10-15T18:03:41 < jadew> more high level planning, only coding the interesting bits
2015-10-15T18:03:59 < jadew> and no UML for me, you can get your idea across in any way you like
2015-10-15T18:04:15 < jadew> as long as you get it across :)
2015-10-15T18:04:24 < upgrdman_> what's typical? paragraphs? flow charts? memes?
2015-10-15T18:04:47 < jadew> diagrams with explanations next to them
2015-10-15T18:05:01 < jadew> most things have to be kept relatively simple
2015-10-15T18:05:47 < jadew> after the initial design is done, you have to clarify and make additional choices based on where the implementation is going
2015-10-15T18:05:58 < upgrdman_> k
2015-10-15T18:06:11 < dongs> fuck uml
2015-10-15T18:06:16  * upgrdman_ nods
2015-10-15T18:06:55 < upgrdman_> at uni: "this is VITAL! you must learn it! embrace it! insert it into your ass if need be!" ... at work: "wtf is uml? lol, no one cares."
2015-10-15T18:07:06 < jadew> heh, yeah
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2015-10-15T18:07:44 < upgrdman_> anyone here familiar with the lpc1768 adc?
2015-10-15T18:08:12 < Laurenceb> maybe
2015-10-15T18:08:17 < Laurenceb> is it i2c or spi?
2015-10-15T18:08:41 < upgrdman_> the only neat thing about it is individual registers for each channel reading. i want to read all channels once, get an interrupt, and read all channels. i think i fucked up config'ing it, because it isn't working :(
2015-10-15T18:08:54 < upgrdman_> Laurenceb, lpc1768 is an mcu, the adc is internal
2015-10-15T18:09:21 < upgrdman_> i get an interrupt every 2.5us, and nothing data is ready.
2015-10-15T18:09:25 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-10-15T18:09:27 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-10-15T18:19:32 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/5/5e/Bushmorphobama.jpg
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2015-10-15T18:37:30 < karlp> upgrdman_: on stm32 you just use sequences and dma, theres' no real need for special registers for them all.
2015-10-15T18:40:13 < upgrdman_> ya but on the lpc you can super lazy
2015-10-15T18:41:38 < karlp> cept it don't work...
2015-10-15T18:41:50 < upgrdman_> :)
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2015-10-15T18:59:45 < Getty> suddenly my stlink doesnt work on my linux anymore.. like.... i didn't even changed anything... it still works on the windows openocd tho...
2015-10-15T19:00:00 < Getty> i am so confused
2015-10-15T19:00:52 < Getty> its error code -4 and that cause of it not being able to open the usb device... totally confusing why this suddenly should be
2015-10-15T19:02:55 < karlp> unplug replug, probably ended up in dfu mode or something dum
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2015-10-15T19:18:03 < upgrdman_> lol. adc works now. i had to power cycle the board. no idea why. maybe the lpc debugger wasn't doing a proper reset of the mcu after programming?
2015-10-15T19:21:14 < mitrax> i'm stepping through stm32cube's code for SDIO stuff, during initializion there's a voltage selection part... is there a line on the STM32F4 dedicated for SD/MMC card power supply or something? cause atm i'm using the VDD of the board, i don't get what the voltage selection thing is about
2015-10-15T19:22:18 < dongs> no
2015-10-15T19:22:20 < dongs> there isnt
2015-10-15T19:22:30 < dongs> by voltage you mean turn shit on/off?
2015-10-15T19:24:33 < mitrax> oh nevermind, it queries the card for its operating voltage, there's a loop where a SD_VOLTAGE_WINDOW_SD command is being sent repeatedly
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2015-10-15T19:42:42 < dongs> Karl Regler I've requested a refund but I have to wait for them to send it to me and then return back to them...I'm backer 12k and something!!!
2015-10-15T19:42:45 < dongs> haha
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2015-10-15T20:09:56 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/83TGzmm.gifv
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2015-10-15T20:38:30 < FAalbers> Hah ! Finally figured it out ... had to bit shift I2c address 0x68 to 0xD0 , so the Read Write bit can fit ! Now Device Acnowledges
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2015-10-15T20:51:47 < ReadError> bitshift?
2015-10-15T20:53:26 < aadamson> ReadError, yeah, usually you need to account for the 7bit address that they give you with i2c devices, it needs to be shifted left 1 bit so that the LSB bit can be used for read (usually 0), write (usually 1)
2015-10-15T20:53:33 < ReadError> yup
2015-10-15T20:53:52 < aadamson> it all depends on how the drivers written as to if you need to send it shifted or let the driver shift it
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2015-10-15T20:53:54 < ReadError> ohh I see
2015-10-15T20:53:57 < ReadError> he said bitshift
2015-10-15T20:54:03 < ReadError> i just saw the 0x68 to 0xD0
2015-10-15T20:54:21 < aadamson> yeah bit shift... I'm betting that 0x68 << 1 is 0xD0
2015-10-15T20:54:42 < ReadError> ya i put it in calc.exe at first
2015-10-15T20:54:50 < ReadError> i cant do that in my head ;/
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2015-10-15T20:55:49 < aadamson> me either btw... :)
2015-10-15T20:56:20 < aadamson> but what he said is correct, you have to account for the 7bit address in an 8bit register leaving the lsb at the r/w bit
2015-10-15T20:56:30 < aadamson> s/at/as
2015-10-15T20:56:34 < ReadError> ya i know, i got hung up on that for 30mins before
2015-10-15T20:56:40 < ReadError> then realized the 7 vs 8
2015-10-15T20:57:10 < ReadError> also waaaay to long on not realizing I didnt have the GPIOs set to OD
2015-10-15T20:57:12 < aadamson> yup... always a challenge somewhere
2015-10-15T20:57:19 < ReadError> will never make that mistake again heh
2015-10-15T20:57:28 < aadamson> OD, because you have a pull up somewhere?
2015-10-15T20:57:36 < ReadError> ya pullups on i2c
2015-10-15T20:57:41 < aadamson> yeah
2015-10-15T20:58:47 < Mr_Sheesh> Best to have pullups on I2C
2015-10-15T20:59:07 < ReadError> yup, but when you forget to set OD, stuff gets fucky :)
2015-10-15T20:59:32 < ReadError> hardest lessons learned are the ones you dont forget though
2015-10-15T20:59:58 < aadamson> you mean like always remembering to ENABLE the bloody clock!!!  seems I forget that bout 50% of the time!!! sheesh
2015-10-15T21:00:12 < Mr_Sheesh> what's a clock? :P
2015-10-15T21:00:30 < ReadError> chibios is great for that
2015-10-15T21:00:39 < ReadError> its automagic
2015-10-15T21:00:58 < aadamson> to that point I had a good one the other day.  I have some low power code that turns on and off the clock at each access. and I couldn't figureout they the i2c driver was failing on the first call, working on the second, fail 3, work 4th, etc...
2015-10-15T21:01:02 < aadamson> sheesh...
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2015-10-15T21:01:37 < aadamson> because I forgot to turn on the peripheral at all, and the i2c reset code was doing it for me every other time, the in between times being shut back off... go figure
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2015-10-15T22:32:47 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/Uw6YHcp
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2015-10-15T23:00:08 < kakimir> I think I will buy 9x some day
2015-10-15T23:00:16 < kakimir> great value
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2015-10-15T23:51:36 < kakimir> http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/avnr/adesign.html
2015-10-15T23:54:57 < kakimir> pretty nice project there
2015-10-15T23:55:08 < kakimir> 30cm accuracy
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2015-10-16T01:19:45 < Laurenceb_> that guy is a legend
2015-10-16T01:20:33 < kakimir> he has made pretty much all avionics in his plane himself
2015-10-16T01:20:44 < Laurenceb_> doh
2015-10-16T01:20:46 < Laurenceb_> http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/10/15/1957259/how-is-the-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto
2015-10-16T01:20:53 < Laurenceb_> I have often wondered about this myself
2015-10-16T01:21:06 < Laurenceb_> almost like the programmers are cargo culting the maths
2015-10-16T01:23:49 < Laurenceb_> I just assumed I was being a n00b as it seemed obvious and I was reading about it for the first time :-/
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2015-10-16T01:35:02 < kakimir> I wonder why they wouldn't place data centers in north and heat cities with them
2015-10-16T01:36:36 < kakimir> and hmm.. store heat in underground tanks full of water
2015-10-16T01:36:56 < kakimir> that would be expensives
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2015-10-16T02:26:17 < Laurenceb_> local prison has free food
2015-10-16T02:26:50 < kakimir> can you walk in and eat?
2015-10-16T02:26:58 < kakimir> or commit crimes first?
2015-10-16T02:27:27 < Laurenceb_> no the prisoners serve you food
2015-10-16T02:27:31 < Laurenceb_> rehabilitation :P
2015-10-16T02:27:33  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2015-10-16T02:27:39 < kakimir> sweet
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2015-10-16T03:11:41 < dongs> kakimir: did you know they stopped monitoring that star like 2 years ago
2015-10-16T03:11:55 < dongs> and the only alien-related shit is a bunch of !scientists speculating
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2015-10-16T03:12:09 < dongs> so some blogger dug up shit from ancient history and thought it was new
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2015-10-16T03:19:42 < dongs> http://forum.noflyzano.com/
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2015-10-16T03:21:01 < dongs> uhoh
2015-10-16T03:21:03 < dongs> spamz0r!!
2015-10-16T03:23:03 < dongs> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hoverboard-duru-1.3270569 those wacky canadians
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2015-10-16T03:23:13 < dongs> is this what Simon-- has been working on
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2015-10-16T03:36:59 < Simon--> old
2015-10-16T03:41:22 < Simon--> well, this was old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn_afSOwmqo
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2015-10-16T03:42:53 < dongs> is he flying over lake so that he doesnt die if he crashes?
2015-10-16T03:42:58 < Simon--> I would
2015-10-16T03:46:41 < zyp> haha, that's kinda cool
2015-10-16T03:46:57 < Simon--> maybe a bit safer than the other people who mount all of their tons of props at eyeball level :)
2015-10-16T03:47:25 < Simon--> hehe! sounds like plush escs
2015-10-16T03:47:33 < Simon--> (hobbywing)
2015-10-16T03:47:34 < zyp> wonder how happy the motors were about that landing though
2015-10-16T03:51:30 < dongs> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12065501_915000138569442_2460447634149586941_n.jpg?oh=b794b7e770c72dee77375d9d5c948eda&oe=5688C1F6 attn zyp
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2015-10-16T03:59:19 < __rob> haha, that noflyzano.com
2015-10-16T03:59:39 < __rob> " When I asked for a refund he said "I'm going to fly a Zano into your mother's ham hole" and then he hung up on me."
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2015-10-16T04:09:42 < jadew> dongs, the hoverboard guy is romanian, not canadian
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2015-10-16T04:15:31 < ReadError> This past May, Montreal inventor Catalin Alexandru Duru broke the world record for the longest hoverboard flight.
2015-10-16T04:15:42 < ReadError> sounds pretty french canadian to me ;)
2015-10-16T04:15:43 < jadew> that's where he lives
2015-10-16T04:15:55 < jadew> his name is 100% romanian
2015-10-16T04:16:41 < jadew> and Duru means something like badass :P
2015-10-16T04:17:00 < jadew> appropriate
2015-10-16T04:18:33 < ReadError> ahaha l0des zano comment
2015-10-16T04:18:34 < ReadError> great
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2015-10-16T05:06:43 < jadew> funny, I visited that gary niger profile (in incognito mode, from a different browser)
2015-10-16T05:06:53 < jadew> and now it shows up in my contact suggestions
2015-10-16T05:07:11 < jadew> Gary Niger, Professional Troll
2015-10-16T05:07:46 < dongs> LOL
2015-10-16T05:12:55 < dongs> you can't run away
2015-10-16T05:13:13 < jadew> looks like it
2015-10-16T05:15:33 < jadew> everyone seems so happy on linkedin
2015-10-16T05:18:09 < dongs> dicked-in
2015-10-16T05:18:21 < jadew> that must be why
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2015-10-16T05:46:11 < dongs> pro kickstarting
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2015-10-16T05:54:12 < dongs> huh
2015-10-16T05:54:18 < dongs> altidong colors for PCB layers are global
2015-10-16T06:09:03 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/0xwuyYQ.gifv
2015-10-16T06:10:50 < jadew> they forgot to lock it
2015-10-16T06:11:06 < dongs> chilean garbageairlines
2015-10-16T06:11:42 < jadew> I bet the passengers shit their pants
2015-10-16T06:11:50 < zyp> «fuck this, I'm out»
2015-10-16T06:12:09 < jadew> except it actually took off :P
2015-10-16T06:12:21 < jadew> they had to stay in until it got back
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2015-10-16T06:12:34 < zyp> I meant the panels
2015-10-16T06:12:46 < jadew> ah, hehe
2015-10-16T06:13:08 < Getty> ok thats brilliant: https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense
2015-10-16T06:13:54 < zyp> but yeah, the pilots probably didn't even notice, and even if they did, that would be pretty late to abort
2015-10-16T06:14:41 < Getty> its always good to think of explosions if it comes to department of defense
2015-10-16T06:15:17 < jadew> it's cool they have a twitter account
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2015-10-16T06:15:49 < Getty> "do i need to push a button, or does it explode immediately?"
2015-10-16T06:15:50 < zyp> I mean, the panels fly off right before rotation, so they're quite possibly past V1
2015-10-16T06:17:32 < upgrdman> LOLOL   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvGBQ9bev2k&feature=youtu.be
2015-10-16T06:18:04 < jadew> lol
2015-10-16T06:19:14 < jadew> comments are disabled
2015-10-16T06:19:27 < jadew> worst kind of people!
2015-10-16T06:20:16 < jadew> we had porn play on the information terminals in a park
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2015-10-16T06:34:52 < upgrdman> gay  http://imgur.com/SiFhm9v
2015-10-16T06:35:52 < Getty> the ultrasharps are the bomb
2015-10-16T06:37:50 < zyp> desk too clean, doesn't look like a place where shit gets done
2015-10-16T06:37:52 < jadew> actually not a bad idea, would be cool if instead of having to hook up all those cables it had a docking station
2015-10-16T06:37:59 < jadew> so you just drop it there
2015-10-16T06:38:08 < zyp> jadew, isn't it DP MST?
2015-10-16T06:38:17 < zyp> or is U2412M too old to have that?
2015-10-16T06:38:30 < jadew> don't know
2015-10-16T06:38:49 < zyp> must be, macbooks don't have that many monitor ports
2015-10-16T06:38:49 < jadew> I'm not a mac user, but this is a generally good idea
2015-10-16T06:39:01 < zyp> unless it's two DP plus HDMI, idk
2015-10-16T06:39:15 < jadew> there seem to be a bunch of cables comming out of it
2015-10-16T06:39:35 < jadew> not sure how many tho
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2015-10-16T06:39:50 < upgrdman> i want one of these  http://gfycat.com/SoreImmenseIbizanhound
2015-10-16T06:39:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, ^
2015-10-16T06:40:51 < jadew> that thing probably costs a fortune
2015-10-16T06:42:09 < jadew> are US citizens allowed to have any kind of weapons?
2015-10-16T06:42:38 < jadew> like... rocket launchers, tanks, fighter jets
2015-10-16T06:42:38 < upgrdman> like guns?
2015-10-16T06:42:46 < jadew> bombs
2015-10-16T06:42:58 < upgrdman> prolly not, lol
2015-10-16T06:44:08 < jadew> I guess they didn't know about them in when the constitution was written
2015-10-16T06:45:46 < jadew> pretty sure they meant all kind of weapons when they wrote it
2015-10-16T06:46:01 < jadew> like... armament, not just guns
2015-10-16T06:46:44 < zyp> I just want bear arms
2015-10-16T06:46:51 < jadew> heh
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2015-10-16T07:05:21 < dongs> PeterM: http://i.imgur.com/16p19Cx.jpg on the way to you today.
2015-10-16T07:05:23 < dongs> i sent shitpal info
2015-10-16T07:06:36 < dongs> oh and the box is 7.5kg
2015-10-16T07:07:22 < jadew> where are those from?
2015-10-16T07:08:08 < dongs> chinafactory
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2015-10-16T07:09:06 < jadew> you have a business around proxying this sort of stuff?
2015-10-16T07:09:21 < dongs> naw i just help pals out
2015-10-16T07:09:31 < jadew> ah, cool
2015-10-16T07:09:42 < jadew> thought there's a website we don't know about :)
2015-10-16T07:10:30 < dongs> irc://dongs@feenode
2015-10-16T07:10:48 < jadew> !browse dongs
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2015-10-16T07:13:33 < upgrdman> lube helps
2015-10-16T07:14:15 < jadew> !browse dongs --no-lube
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2015-10-16T07:22:23 < upgrdman> i've asked before, but... anyone know of a source for something like servo wire, but with >3 conductors, and with SILICONE insulation? (super flexible... the shit dupont wire on ebay is stiff as fuck)
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2015-10-16T07:25:17 < dongs> DJI sources them somewehre
2015-10-16T07:27:09 < upgrdman> as does Futaba
2015-10-16T07:27:18 < upgrdman> but i cant find the wire ;(
2015-10-16T07:28:49 < ReadError> hansen hobbies had some i think
2015-10-16T07:29:28 < ReadError> oh not joined
2015-10-16T07:29:51 < dongs> upgrdman: seems 'silicone ribbon cable' has some results.
2015-10-16T07:29:57 < dongs> when they arent selling that rainbow trash
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2015-10-16T07:33:15 < upgrdman> hmmm
2015-10-16T07:33:35 < upgrdman> what is typical servo wire? 26awg?
2015-10-16T07:36:17 < ReadError> maybe a bit smaller
2015-10-16T07:36:23 < ReadError> I got some 26awg from adafruit
2015-10-16T07:36:27 < ReadError> seems a bit thicker
2015-10-16T07:36:32 < ReadError> but insulation is too
2015-10-16T07:37:39 < upgrdman> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/310J101-10/CI10N-5-ND/3524297
2015-10-16T07:37:53 < upgrdman> 28awg 10wire silicone ribbon
2015-10-16T07:37:56 < upgrdman> hmmm
2015-10-16T07:45:55 < dongs> it seems to be
2015-10-16T07:46:01 < dongs> synonymous wiht high temperature
2015-10-16T07:46:02 < dongs> wire
2015-10-16T07:46:11 < dongs> cuz pvc fucking melts and stinks at like 100C
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2015-10-16T07:51:55 < ReadError> i was under the impression you shouldnt solder those wires anyways
2015-10-16T07:52:05 < ReadError> since it will fracture eventually
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2015-10-16T08:09:44 < upgrdman> sweet. molex has some 10 conductor 28awg flexible ribbon for <$3/foot
2015-10-16T08:09:58 < dongs> freedom units faggot
2015-10-16T08:10:11 < upgrdman> <$3/300mm
2015-10-16T08:11:05 < upgrdman> err $3.04/foot
2015-10-16T08:11:10 < upgrdman> close enough :)
2015-10-16T08:11:11 < upgrdman> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/F2807S-10-050-55/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduj0%2fKyPeVivjmmL3XrRS9eAqwJQAD6YvwpMJs5axkU1Y4VQnzUSCstC
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2015-10-16T08:11:35 < dongs> what's FEP
2015-10-16T08:11:42 < dongs> is that sciencey for silicone ?
2015-10-16T08:12:27 < upgrdman> no
2015-10-16T08:12:40 < upgrdman> florinated etheylen penis
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2015-10-16T08:12:44 < dongs> The ability to learn a room gwendes (#3)  42 days ago  Accessories    Discuss     Add Bookmark   | Add To
2015-10-16T08:12:48 < dongs> By including the ability for Zano to explore and map a room, recording this data to phone or SD card, tasks could be set in that 3D environment in an easy to user interface. For example, fly from coffee table, perform a circle and land on the sofa :)
2015-10-16T08:12:52 < dongs> lol
2015-10-16T08:12:54 < dongs> such dreamers
2015-10-16T08:13:00 < dongs> how does he fucking envision that ever working
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2015-10-16T08:30:35 < jadew> it's doable
2015-10-16T08:30:44 < dongs> not with a zano
2015-10-16T08:30:44 < jadew> but who would do it?
2015-10-16T08:31:37 < jadew> let's say that the important parts of the "mapping the room" are done
2015-10-16T08:32:16 < jadew> and you can actually get it to map the room with some work
2015-10-16T08:32:21 < jadew> but the control software?
2015-10-16T08:32:36 < dongs> ur an important part of mapping the room
2015-10-16T08:32:53 < dongs> who knows dude, these are clueless dreamers who dropped 300GBP+ on a doorstop
2015-10-16T08:33:07 < jadew> defining what the thing has to do will be a highly visual-oriented operation
2015-10-16T08:33:25 < jadew> that means custom software
2015-10-16T08:33:34 < jadew> that has to do very complex things
2015-10-16T08:33:35 < dongs> that's what the amazing SDK is for!!
2015-10-16T08:33:50 < dongs> anyone can make the software with the SDK
2015-10-16T08:33:58 < jadew> no, I mean the part that defines what the drone will have to do
2015-10-16T08:34:05 < jadew> like the part that imports the map of the room
2015-10-16T08:34:14 < jadew> and that you use to tell it what to do
2015-10-16T08:34:31 < dongs> shrug
2015-10-16T08:34:34 < jadew> it's obviously doable, but very complex
2015-10-16T08:34:55 < dongs> and once the room is mapped wat do you do wit this info??
2015-10-16T08:35:06 < dongs> you go fly from cofee table to couch!!
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2015-10-16T08:45:53 < jpa-> yeah, sounds like useless gimmick
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2015-10-16T08:50:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIh7wQYrWs
2015-10-16T08:53:09 < ReadError> think im gonna go bigtime
2015-10-16T08:53:13 < ReadError> and try a stencil for the first time
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2015-10-16T09:46:49 < emeryth> https://medium.com/@stphanerecouvreur/microcontrollers-why-are-we-betting-on-python-2fc9eaaa23fb
2015-10-16T09:46:57 < dongs> no thanks
2015-10-16T09:46:57 < emeryth> get rekt C plebs
2015-10-16T09:47:02 < dongs> fuck python
2015-10-16T09:51:11 < jpa-> makes about as much sense as arduino
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2015-10-16T10:06:51 < PeterM> dongs: paid
2015-10-16T10:07:12 < PeterM> cheers m8
2015-10-16T10:11:36 < akaWolf> https://pp.vk.me/c622316/v622316907/4ee52/dB8Vd4QuzRU.jpg -- wtf?
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2015-10-16T10:15:42 < Fleck> custom PCI card :D
2015-10-16T10:16:08 < akaWolf> sound pci card, yeah
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2015-10-16T10:43:50 < dongs> that aint pci
2015-10-16T10:43:54 < dongs> looks like isa trash to me
2015-10-16T10:44:16 < dongs> 8bit isa at that
2015-10-16T10:45:31 < oz4ga_> old 8bit isa
2015-10-16T10:45:35 < oz4ga_> yes
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2015-10-16T10:50:11 < dongs> heh
2015-10-16T10:50:21 < dongs> upgrdman: chinqs have 6pin wire for like .60/meter
2015-10-16T10:50:24 < dongs> soft silicone
2015-10-16T10:50:29 < dongs> 28awg
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2015-10-16T10:59:41 < jpa-> now you can pay monthly fee for a crappy android tablet   https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676993694/solu-a-new-breed-of-computing
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2015-10-16T11:00:26 < dongs> aids
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2015-10-16T11:00:31 < dongs> all tehse fucking assdroid based projects
2015-10-16T11:00:38 < dongs> can climb straight into a fucking oven
2015-10-16T11:01:00 < dongs> holy fuck 350 eur
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2015-10-16T12:09:08 < dongs> dongul8
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2015-10-16T12:18:31 < Laurenceb> is dat some password
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2015-10-16T12:39:36 < jpa-> http://superuser.com/questions/987426/is-it-possible-to-add-antennas   more antennas = more range!
2015-10-16T12:41:54 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/viRS3aG.jpg
2015-10-16T12:42:36 < Sync_> lul
2015-10-16T12:42:56 < Laurenceb> http://sokek.com/wp-content/uploads/7eaBlmk.png
2015-10-16T12:46:15 < ReadError> took him 2 years to respond?
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2015-10-16T14:57:39 < karlp> heh, stockholm syndrom isn't working!
2015-10-16T14:57:49 < karlp> eagle's "meander" tool is fucking shit
2015-10-16T14:58:58 < dongs> i bet
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2015-10-16T15:07:59 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/5/54/Fine_cat.jpg
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2015-10-16T15:43:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHKePL7vWhw
2015-10-16T15:44:05 < Laurenceb> surely edited
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2015-10-16T16:00:31 < karlp> PeterM: were those AA battery holders? they look real nice.
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2015-10-16T16:25:39 < karlp> 1 meg crystal resistor, isn't that meant to be removed for great justice?!
2015-10-16T16:26:22 < Laurenceb> I thought it was built in
2015-10-16T16:32:40 < gxti> i've never found it to be required but i might just be lucky
2015-10-16T16:33:12 < Laurenceb> aiui its not needed on stm32
2015-10-16T16:45:10 < mitrax> for multipoint half-duplex RS485 communication i only need 2 wires right?
2015-10-16T16:46:19 < mitrax> well 3 with the ground
2015-10-16T16:48:21 < gxti> yes
2015-10-16T16:50:35 < mitrax> i understand that i should handle collision avoidance in software, but with a proper RS485 driver should i be concerned (hardware-wise) about two nodes accidentally transmitting at the same time?
2015-10-16T16:50:56 < mitrax> that will just fuck up the transmission, not actually damage anything right?
2015-10-16T16:54:50 < BrainDamage> depends on the drivers, if they have current limiting yes
2015-10-16T17:06:59 < mitrax> SP3491, seems they have that
2015-10-16T17:09:31 < mitrax> or at least i'd assume so since there's a "Driver short circuit Current" in the charactertics :)
2015-10-16T17:09:48 < karlp> yeah, haven't seen any recent drivers that give a fuck if you drive them all at once
2015-10-16T17:10:32 < mitrax> ok thanks :)
2015-10-16T17:10:36 < gxti> rs485 is meant for that...
2015-10-16T17:10:36 < karlp> oh, the exar drivers, haven't tried them
2015-10-16T17:10:44 < karlp> are they super cheap? or what?
2015-10-16T17:10:54 < karlp> wat 14pins?
2015-10-16T17:11:17 < mitrax> karlp: you can use them in full duplex master / slave configuration, with 4 wires
2015-10-16T17:11:27 < karlp> oh yeah, fuck those.
2015-10-16T17:11:53 < mitrax> well they should work as well with only 2 data lines right?
2015-10-16T17:12:02 < karlp> sure, but waste of space
2015-10-16T17:12:24 < karlp> ISL83483 ftw
2015-10-16T17:12:51 < karlp> well, those are full unit load though, if that matters
2015-10-16T17:13:07 < karlp> oh, your exar parts are full load too
2015-10-16T17:13:21 < mitrax> full load? what does that mean?
2015-10-16T17:13:57 < gxti> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/77630/what-is-1-8-unit-load-in-rs485-communication
2015-10-16T17:14:30 < mitrax> oh ok, well i won't have more than 32 nodes
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2015-10-16T17:48:41 < PeterM> karlp, 26650 lithium cylinder cells
2015-10-16T17:49:26 < mitrax> that's a lot of cells!
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2015-10-16T18:52:38 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDlR_ccnZww
2015-10-16T18:52:43 < CipherWizard> Do you know how exim enforced email clients to authenticate but other MTA servers not to authenticate? (I think that is how it is supposed to work)
2015-10-16T18:53:11 < CipherWizard> Darn wrong screen Sorry that was not for this channel
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2015-10-16T19:05:03 < Steffann_> This channel is for almost everything but stm32 CipherWizard
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2015-10-16T19:25:10 < karlp> CipherWizard: can you help me tell dovecot to store mails in a rotating maildir per month?
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2015-10-16T19:51:46 < CipherWizard> karlp: I have not been learning dovecot but exim. All I have been needing to do is send out emails from all of our web services. All of our incoming email is being controlled by external mail provider
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2015-10-16T19:53:16 < gxti> CipherWizard: mail servers only accept unauthenticated connections if the recipient is on one of its local domains
2015-10-16T19:53:49 < karlp> mail servers _should_ only accept unauthenticated....
2015-10-16T19:54:07 < karlp> CipherWizard: I was just teasing about the relevance of the channel really... :)
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2015-10-16T19:54:30 < karlp> so, no-one's going to comment or joke about nucleo 32 vs nucleo 64? http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/LN1847?sc=stm32nucleo
2015-10-16T19:54:36 < ReadError> dovecot and exim
2015-10-16T19:54:40 < ReadError> and sending mail?
2015-10-16T19:54:47 < ReadError> those are imap/pop iirc
2015-10-16T19:55:04 < mitrax> dovecot is imap/pop
2015-10-16T19:55:11 < mitrax> exim handles smtp afaik
2015-10-16T19:55:14 < CipherWizard> exim is smtp
2015-10-16T19:55:23 < ReadError> oh right
2015-10-16T19:55:43 < karlp> ReadError: no, I'm just having dovecot issues, wnated to jump in there :)
2015-10-16T19:55:55 < karlp> still no nucleo board with a user USB port. wth
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2015-10-16T19:56:35 < ReadError> those new nucleos are pretty adorbs
2015-10-16T19:56:44 < karlp> heh, pdfs from st have embedded links to "../../../X_ezhong/ezhong_view_4/vob/mcd_eval/X_ezhong/ezhong_view_4/vob/mcd_eval/nucleo/boards/"
2015-10-16T19:56:53 < ReadError> imagine they will be like, 5$ ?
2015-10-16T19:57:57 < karlp> still $11 at digikey http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=NUCLEO-F042
2015-10-16T19:58:05 < karlp> so, the same, just different form factor
2015-10-16T19:58:15 < karlp> and no breakoff stlink
2015-10-16T19:58:48 < ReadError> BOM is lower though
2015-10-16T19:59:05 < ReadError> ohh digikey has them
2015-10-16T19:59:06 < ReadError> damn
2015-10-16T19:59:12 < ReadError> I just placed an order yesterday
2015-10-16T20:00:01 < karlp> bom being lower helps ST's margins, doesn't do fuck all for me as a buyer/user
2015-10-16T20:00:13 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-16T20:00:20 < ReadError> i mean, $11 isnt too bad
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2015-10-16T20:00:34 < ReadError> figured they would try to hit the 4$ arduino nano crowd though
2015-10-16T20:00:48 < karlp> given that this is explicitly nano compatible formfactor, yes :)
2015-10-16T20:02:49 < englishman> i got the f042 one, its pretty cool
2015-10-16T20:03:04 < englishman> no native usb, but the st-link acts as a vcp that you talk to with uart
2015-10-16T20:03:30 < englishman> also it comes with altidongs schematics and layout files
2015-10-16T20:03:57 < karlp> englishman: that's the same for the existing nucleos though, nothing new there
2015-10-16T20:04:02 < englishman> ah didnt kno that
2015-10-16T20:04:09 < karlp> and the stlink usb2serial is on all stlinkv2.1
2015-10-16T20:04:13 < karlp> so all the recent disco boards too
2015-10-16T20:04:30 < englishman> also: theres zero examples of stdlib/timecube using native usb
2015-10-16T20:04:38 < englishman> well maybe stdlib but its ancient
2015-10-16T20:04:50 < karlp> usb is the connector for serial right?!
2015-10-16T20:04:53 < englishman> and timecube still has zero documentation
2015-10-16T20:04:56 < englishman> yeah
2015-10-16T20:05:31 < englishman> ok thats stdink 2.1
2015-10-16T20:05:33 < mitrax> timecube?
2015-10-16T20:05:58 < karlp> timecube.org....
2015-10-16T20:05:58 < englishman> that shitty software that st is pushing to replace stdperiphlib
2015-10-16T20:06:20 < mitrax> stm32cube ?
2015-10-16T20:06:26 < englishman> whatever you wanna call it
2015-10-16T20:06:40 < mitrax> bah it's not *that* bad :)
2015-10-16T20:07:04 < englishman> wheres the .chm file like in stdperiphlib?
2015-10-16T20:07:13 < englishman> they said they were gonna add that
2015-10-16T20:07:36 < mitrax> i agree the lack of documentation sucks
2015-10-16T20:07:49 < mitrax> but most of the source is well commented
2015-10-16T20:08:01 < englishman> why do i have things like USBD_CDC_TransmitPacket, that just calls USBD_LL_Transmit, but i also have CDC_Transmit_FS
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2015-10-16T20:08:58 < mitrax> i shouldn't comment on the usb part though... haven't used it so far
2015-10-16T20:09:22 < englishman> neither has ST apparently
2015-10-16T20:09:27 < mitrax> ahaha
2015-10-16T20:09:51 < mitrax> i spotted a bug in the DMA2D code
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2015-10-16T20:11:56 < mitrax> and a few weird things which gave me the feeling they didn't really test their code
2015-10-16T20:12:00 < mitrax> but so far no dramatic bug
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2015-10-16T20:13:53 < mitrax> guess i'll whine in here and beg for help when i use usb :p
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2015-10-17T02:57:15 < karlp> heh, l4 ref man is rev1, l4 errata sheet is already rev 2
2015-10-17T03:04:34 < karlp> When V DD > 3 V, the MSI startup frequency overshoot is higher than expected and can be
2015-10-17T03:04:37 < karlp> higher than the maximum allowed product frequency.
2015-10-17T03:08:38 < upgrdman> nice  http://i.imgur.com/SCXYo6Q.gifv
2015-10-17T03:09:23 < karlp> wow, can't do adc reads on l4 with more than 1ms between them
2015-10-17T03:09:33 < karlp> When the delay between two consecutive ADC conversions is higher than 1 ms the result of
2015-10-17T03:09:36 < karlp> the second conversion might be incorrect.
2015-10-17T03:09:39 < karlp> recommends doing dummy reads :)
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2015-10-17T03:25:47 < BrainDamage> since there hasn't been sufficient shit links today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X4Rde3Ad_o
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2015-10-17T03:27:02 < dongs> http://3dbrew.org/w/images/2/20/Pinout_point.jpg
2015-10-17T03:27:03 < dongs> lewl
2015-10-17T03:27:50 < karlp> what are we looking at?
2015-10-17T03:28:07 < dongs> i remember there's some dickhead charging $500+ for 3DS video capture addon
2015-10-17T03:28:13 < dongs> and here it is, published for free in some jap mag
2015-10-17T03:28:49 < karlp> 3ds is nintendo handheld thing?
2015-10-17T03:28:53 < dongs> ya
2015-10-17T03:29:11 < karlp> soyou have to solder up dozens of testpoints?
2015-10-17T03:29:25 < karlp> sounds like 500 bucks might not be out of line for specialy shit?
2015-10-17T03:29:48 < karlp> figure 5 has a fucking shitton of testpoints
2015-10-17T03:30:27 < dongs> yeah its basically 24bit rgb
2015-10-17T03:30:33 < dongs> + pixclk+h/vsync
2015-10-17T03:31:02 < dongs> the guy who sells the hax has a flexpcb
2015-10-17T03:31:06 < dongs> whichtouches those points
2015-10-17T03:31:18 < karlp> so, no dwt_cyccnt on m0/m0+, is only sane alternative to just use a real timer?
2015-10-17T03:32:27 < dongs> a like from flycack!
2015-10-17T03:32:29 < dongs> probably shit!
2015-10-17T03:32:30 < dongs> clicking!
2015-10-17T03:32:36 < dongs> > floppy driver
2015-10-17T03:32:41 < dongs> > 2015
2015-10-17T03:32:44 < dongs> gfto
2015-10-17T03:32:49 < dongs> gtfo, too
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2015-10-17T03:57:35 < upgrdman> any lcds >4k that aren't like early-adopter priced?
2015-10-17T03:57:42 < upgrdman> like 5k or 6k?
2015-10-17T03:57:59  * karlp peers at upgrdman 
2015-10-17T03:58:05 < karlp> dude, 4k is still early adopter shit
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2015-10-17T03:58:26 < upgrdman> 4k is already reasonably priced
2015-10-17T03:58:43 < dongs> 5k is retarded intermediate shit
2015-10-17T03:58:47 < dongs> just get 4k and go to 8k when its doen
2015-10-17T03:58:50 < upgrdman> <$400 for 4k lcds if you dont mind china trash
2015-10-17T03:58:51 < dongs> 8k @ 24" will be aweesome
2015-10-17T03:58:58  * upgrdman nods
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2015-10-17T04:00:24 < upgrdman> sony is coming out with a 4k smartphone. stupid japs.
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2015-10-17T04:03:37 < dongs> cuz you really need that
2015-10-17T04:07:17 < emeb_mac> I bet that makes the batteries last long time
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2015-10-17T04:12:58 < dongs> http://www.ovt.com/uploads/hpimages/91.jpg wats wrong with this pic
2015-10-17T04:25:07 < ReadError> a guy is holding the phone
2015-10-17T04:25:49 < ReadError> slightly cross eyed
2015-10-17T04:30:49 < dongs> yeah dude holding phone identifying as a female creature
2015-10-17T04:32:32 < ReadError> probemasters shipped, hope these things are sharp enough to draw blood
2015-10-17T04:33:42 < upgrdman> link?
2015-10-17T04:33:46 < dongs> speaking of fail
2015-10-17T04:33:54 < dongs> i was completely wrong about zaNO led display
2015-10-17T04:33:57 < dongs> guess what they used in it???
2015-10-17T04:35:02 < ReadError> http://probemaster.com/8000-series-kits/ and http://probemaster.com/spring-loaded-micro-tip-probe-kit/
2015-10-17T04:40:09 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/wQJhi
2015-10-17T04:40:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fPbnq7b.jpg
2015-10-17T04:42:37 < ReadError> those do not seem like IDC compliant footprints
2015-10-17T04:43:04 < ReadError> IPC*
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2015-10-17T04:48:11 < dongs> thyt're military
2015-10-17T04:50:32 < ReadError> i need to get bored enought to make the fullblownaids chinafab breakout board
2015-10-17T04:51:08 < ReadError> just some 10x10cm thing loaded with most every footprint i would need
2015-10-17T04:51:15 < PeterM> ReadError, probemaster probes are easily sharp enough to break skil
2015-10-17T04:51:36 < ReadError> better than my fluke ones then
2015-10-17T04:52:50 < PeterM> the springloaded ones are much sharper but the springs arent as stiff so theyre pretty hard to draw bloodf under spring pressure though
2015-10-17T04:53:28 < ReadError> yea i figured the spring ones might be easier since i can just jam in on something and it wont move as much
2015-10-17T04:53:41 < dongs> so how the fuck did dorquing do a 24 channel led driver out of dspic32 without current limiting resistors
2015-10-17T04:54:28 < upgrdman> dongs, those transistors as current sink?
2015-10-17T04:54:41 < dongs> those are row switching
2015-10-17T04:54:44 < dongs> its /8
2015-10-17T04:54:53 < dongs> duty
2015-10-17T04:55:01 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-10-17T04:55:09 < upgrdman> maybe leds with internal resistor?
2015-10-17T04:55:20 < dongs> plz, do those exist
2015-10-17T04:55:31 < upgrdman> i've seen some 3mm leds that supposedly had internal resistors.
2015-10-17T04:55:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6FelDOq.jpg
2015-10-17T04:55:47 < upgrdman> i never verified
2015-10-17T04:55:51 < PeterM> ReadError, if you got the kit for the stanard probes, the allligator clips provided are som of the best qualityr seen
2015-10-17T04:56:22 < upgrdman> dongs, are those rgb leds? look at the leadframes inside. multiple segments
2015-10-17T04:56:22 < PeterM> upgrdman, ive seen + verified some have inline resistor
2015-10-17T04:56:27 < ReadError> i ordered some extra screwon alligators
2015-10-17T04:56:28 < upgrdman> cool
2015-10-17T04:56:29 < dongs> upgrdman: yes rgb
2015-10-17T04:56:40 < ReadError> since cheap
2015-10-17T04:57:01 < PeterM> ReadError, worth itr
2015-10-17T04:57:10 < upgrdman> fwiw, i have some pomona pogo-pin style probes at work. very nice, very sharp.
2015-10-17T05:00:46 < dongs> ok according to augenmass  that led board is 30x30
2015-10-17T05:01:21 < dongs> 4mm led pitch
2015-10-17T05:01:38 < dongs> leds around 1.7x1.7mm
2015-10-17T05:04:45 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SML-LX0404SIUPGUSB/67-2125-1-ND/2509882 hah
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2015-10-17T05:10:14 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Rohm%20PDFs/MSL0(3,4)01RGBW.pdf
2015-10-17T05:13:51 < PeterM> why so much untented vias on that pcb too...
2015-10-17T05:14:58 < upgrdman> probing?
2015-10-17T05:15:23 < PeterM> on an led array?
2015-10-17T05:15:30 < dongs> military test points
2015-10-17T05:15:35 < dongs> for milspec compliance
2015-10-17T05:16:04 < dongs> they better have NO bugs in that led display firmware
2015-10-17T05:17:00 < upgrdman> or they use a cheap pcb house, and dont want ugly tented vias
2015-10-17T05:17:14 < upgrdman> like the herpies looking ones on my DirtyPCBs boards
2015-10-17T05:17:38 < upgrdman> like middle photo here  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/first2layerPcb.jpg
2015-10-17T05:17:53 < PeterM> upgrdman, but on something like that, untented vias can trap moisture, bad practice
2015-10-17T05:18:20 < upgrdman> o ok
2015-10-17T05:18:43 < PeterM> on yours its fine because its not a quadcopter thats gonna crash and land in a puddle
2015-10-17T05:19:24 < dongs> wow dat silk registration
2015-10-17T05:19:28 < dongs> on trashpcb.jpg
2015-10-17T05:19:33 < dongs> straight to the fucking oven
2015-10-17T05:20:04 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-10-17T05:34:59 < upgrdman> old but good http://i.imgur.com/9vvDN87.gifv
2015-10-17T05:37:39 < PeterM> dickhead, you saw slgihtly throug the bottom of the brance before you cut from the top so it snaps off cleanly
2015-10-17T05:37:58 < PeterM> and you also learn to type like a non-retarded person
2015-10-17T05:38:07 < upgrdman> :)
2015-10-17T05:38:09 < PeterM> which i am failing at
2015-10-17T05:39:17 < ReadError> the smartproto 4l didnt come out too bad
2015-10-17T05:39:30 < ReadError> when i opened the box i was hit with a horrible smell though
2015-10-17T05:39:58 < PeterM> ReadError, pix
2015-10-17T05:40:27 < ReadError> ill grab some later
2015-10-17T05:40:32 < ReadError> nothing too eventful
2015-10-17T05:40:37 < ReadError> sorta shitty silk
2015-10-17T05:40:39 < ReadError> green
2015-10-17T05:41:24 < PeterM> saw this the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo-yGPXsEBI thought "why the fuck didnt i think of that"?
2015-10-17T05:41:34 < upgrdman> typical jap breakfast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxviJn2paFE
2015-10-17T05:43:42 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya i use a macro lens + entension tubes + tripod + key fob shutter release thinggy. works great.
2015-10-17T05:44:08 < upgrdman> like this    http://www.farrellf.com/projects/photography/2014-02-18_Macro_Lens_Extension_Tubes/
2015-10-17T05:44:43 < dongs> that image sequence is like
2015-10-17T05:44:45 < dongs> enhance..
2015-10-17T05:44:49 < dongs> enhance..
2015-10-17T05:44:54 < dongs> (missing dickbutt at the end tho)
2015-10-17T05:45:12 < upgrdman> i know, sorry
2015-10-17T05:45:12 < PeterM> upgrdman, for that kinda thing i reverse mount a shitty 50 i have, then focus stack
2015-10-17T05:45:48 < ReadError> PeterM interesting
2015-10-17T05:45:54 < ReadError> I have a good macro lense
2015-10-17T05:46:04 < ReadError> but suck at setting it up and lighting
2015-10-17T05:48:05 < dongs> discussing dickbutt
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2015-10-17T06:26:00 < dongs> TG Ltd's response to communicating with backers = let's shut down the forum and wait until the heat as dissipated. Not very professional. I am without words now - amateurism at its best!
2015-10-17T06:26:49 < dongs> I trusted their pedigree, expertise and representations, and I wanted to support a UK technology company. This was my first Kickstarter backing and I ordered THREE units (eager me). My Glow In The Dark is now scheduled for February (at the earliest). By that time the hardware will be much outdated, as the "design-freeze" was March this year.
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2015-10-17T06:26:54 < dongs> I wanted three Zanos so as to "swarm" - even this looks some way-off!
2015-10-17T06:26:57 < dongs> As pre-orders are being shipped before pledges, I would like to CANCEL and re-order the Zanos being shipped now - is this a possibility under Kickstarter rules?
2015-10-17T06:27:00 < dongs> I used to check the flyzano forums each and every day - now I can't be bothered. I just put it down to experience and wasted £690. My expectation, excitement and energy (as well as their forum) has gone.
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2015-10-17T06:30:08 < ReadError> haha they killed the forum?
2015-10-17T06:30:29 < dongs> yes
2015-10-17T06:30:32 < dongs> thats why I put that other one up
2015-10-17T06:30:40 < dongs> but i have no way to advertise except twatter
2015-10-17T06:30:46 < dongs> so its not getting ANY ACTION AT ALL
2015-10-17T06:35:57 < dongs> R2COM: did you see zano internal pix
2015-10-17T06:36:09 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/wQJhi
2015-10-17T06:47:54 < dongs> http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/as-part-of-a-school-project-children-required-make-beds-cook-and-clean-for-muslim-migrants-in-germany.html/
2015-10-17T06:47:57 < dongs> lol germany
2015-10-17T06:51:37 < dongs> haha
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2015-10-17T06:57:24 < upgrdman> yellow is such an ugly soldermask color
2015-10-17T06:57:32 < upgrdman> reminds me of vomit
2015-10-17T06:58:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, did you code for that atmel sam, or just do pcb stuff?
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2015-10-17T07:18:45 < upgrdman> R2COM, how do you like the sam series? there a sam on one of the boards im fucking with at work, but im not handling the firmware for it
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2015-10-17T07:48:54 < upgrdman> is their ide one of those eclipse wrappers?
2015-10-17T08:00:23 < upgrdman> lol. this music video is so 90's   https://youtu.be/vTIIMJ9tUc8?t=28
2015-10-17T08:08:00 < upgrdman> sweet
2015-10-17T08:48:40 < upgrdman> i just innovated some freshed baked banana bread... oh soo good!
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2015-10-17T09:43:49 < upgrdman> ya i turn that shit off
2015-10-17T09:47:27 < Mr_Sheesh> It's OK if you want to get them, but sometimes it's too much
2015-10-17T09:48:26 < PeterM> i leave em on, ive only ever recieved one, and thqat was a whole section of the town was about to get flooded
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2015-10-17T09:49:47 < Mr_Sheesh> Friend uses a scanner listing to his local PD; Heard that a wildfire was close and his place was going to be evacuated, he was ready when they showed up, neighbor didn't believe him & wasn't
2015-10-17T09:52:20 < dongs> http://qz.com/271411/to-keep-customers-coming-back-chinese-restaurants-are-lacing-noodles-with-opiates/
2015-10-17T09:53:45 < PeterM> nice dogas
2015-10-17T09:54:00 < PeterM> dongs even
2015-10-17T09:54:47 < dongs> moving tochina asap
2015-10-17T09:56:00 < PeterM> get some of those morphine noodles
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2015-10-17T10:04:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EBjOMSu.gifv attn upgrdman
2015-10-17T10:08:49 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-10-17T10:17:30 < Mr_Sheesh> WHoa, that'd be relaxing or something >.>
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2015-10-17T10:38:31 < ReadError> heheh
2015-10-17T10:38:51 < ReadError> painful lesson of the day: check if a pin is FT before assuming
2015-10-17T10:39:12 < ReadError> didnt kill anything but spent a good minute scratching my head
2015-10-17T10:44:45 < Simon--> dac pins :)
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2015-10-17T10:48:36 < ReadError> was seeing some crazy noise on a ADC pin, ended up finding out it corresponded w/ a signal on a usart rx pin
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2015-10-17T10:48:57 < ReadError> turns out that pin wasnt FT so the entire GPIOC was going nuts
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2015-10-17T10:58:07 < mitrax> FT?
2015-10-17T10:59:47 < ReadError> 5v tol
2015-10-17T11:00:00 < mitrax> oh
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2015-10-17T13:36:23 < Fleck> meh, hate SMD marking... what's AL QM anyone? http://imgur.com/UKY6TLk
2015-10-17T13:36:47 < Fleck> is there a complete list with codes? I find many but not many there
2015-10-17T13:37:34 < Fleck> not many codes I mean
2015-10-17T13:39:54 < PeterM> i find systek is pretty decent
2015-10-17T13:41:00 < Fleck> ok, will try systek :D
2015-10-17T13:48:43 < Lux> dongs: any idea what that huge component next to the gps is on the zano pics ?
2015-10-17T13:52:19 < Steffann> speaker i guess.
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2015-10-17T13:54:28 < Lux> tought so, i wonder if you can even hear it right with those humming motors next to it
2015-10-17T13:55:53 < ReadError> smd buzzer?
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2015-10-17T14:17:43 < __rob2> Fleck, get a better picture so you can see what that logo is in the middle
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2015-10-17T14:33:32 < Fleck> __rob2: http://imgur.com/p4rv2Pb
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2015-10-17T14:42:37 < __rob2> have you looked at the surrounding circuit to get some idea of what its doing ?
2015-10-17T14:42:47 < __rob2> or what it might be doing
2015-10-17T14:43:25 < __rob2> like if theres ceramic capacitors on 2 of the legs it may well be a regulator
2015-10-17T14:43:33 < __rob2> would help to narrow it down..
2015-10-17T14:43:40 < __rob2> package looks like sot-223-3
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2015-10-17T14:51:00 < Fleck> __rob2: it's PNP
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2015-10-17T15:50:42 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/SCXYo6Q.gifv
2015-10-17T15:50:44 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2015-10-17T16:00:57 < ReadError> unfunny
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2015-10-17T16:03:32 < Steffann> not even "wtf" just stupid.
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2015-10-17T16:07:31 < Laurenceb_> but how did they fake it
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2015-10-17T16:49:44 < mitrax> looks like a rubber head stuffed with chicken livers or something
2015-10-17T16:50:17 < mitrax> and a golf ball :)
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2015-10-17T19:03:41 < Laurenceb_>  The production of genetically engineered superintelligent cats has been theoretically considered by DARPA [citation needed]
2015-10-17T19:03:51 < Laurenceb_> damn I'd like to read the citation for that
2015-10-17T19:06:28 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I lolled
2015-10-17T19:06:29 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty
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2015-10-17T19:36:20 < upgrdman> i need to work in an office like this  http://gfycat.com/IncompleteAdorableAlabamamapturtle
2015-10-17T19:38:11 < mitrax> rotfl
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2015-10-17T20:19:08 < kakimir> dongsland
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2015-10-17T20:29:21 < Steffann> have more fantasies like that you want to share upgrdman?
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2015-10-17T20:31:43 < upgrdman> lol
2015-10-17T20:32:35 < kakimir> has there been great projects last few days?
2015-10-17T20:33:11 < upgrdman> only work related ones
2015-10-17T20:33:35 < kakimir> how many years is your longest projects
2015-10-17T20:33:58 < upgrdman> personal project? 3yrs off and on
2015-10-17T20:36:34 < qyx> 6 years now and still in progress
2015-10-17T20:37:01 < upgrdman> nice. what proj?
2015-10-17T20:37:52 < qyx> that mesh thing
2015-10-17T20:38:11 < upgrdman> the blender .py?
2015-10-17T20:38:54 < qyx> no, low bitrate mesh stack
2015-10-17T20:40:36 < upgrdman> oh i was thinking of someone that wrote a blender script to tesselate meshes. lol.
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2015-10-17T20:40:54 < upgrdman> i was gonna say, 6yrs for a hundred lines of python seemed excessive
2015-10-17T20:41:11 < BrainDamage> qyx: what kind of interface does it offer?
2015-10-17T20:41:59 < Steffanx> that was jpa upgrdman
2015-10-17T20:42:04 < Steffanx> the blutter py.
2015-10-17T20:42:19 < upgrdman> ah
2015-10-17T20:42:44 < qyx> BrainDamage: it's not implemented to an usable degree yet, but it is targetted for 433MHz FSK transceivers
2015-10-17T20:43:34 < BrainDamage> i meant from software side, what will you offer? a custom packet interface? an ip stack?
2015-10-17T20:44:56 < qyx> ah, end-to-end encrypted "channels" addressable by public keys
2015-10-17T20:45:22 < qyx> still no approach selected for encrypted multicast/broadcast
2015-10-17T20:49:11 < Tectu> BrainDamage does too much HaD comments these days
2015-10-17T20:50:26 < BrainDamage> wat
2015-10-17T20:51:15 < Steffanx> Tectu reads too many HaD comments these days.
2015-10-17T20:51:25 < BrainDamage> i don't think i even have visited that pile of shit since 6 months
2015-10-17T20:51:29 < Tectu> some dude called BrainDamage is frequently doing comments on HaD
2015-10-17T20:51:52 < Steffanx> Not DrainBamage?  I remember a nick like that on had
2015-10-17T20:52:29 < BrainDamage> it's not like i have nick reservation across the whole intertubes
2015-10-17T20:52:56 < BrainDamage> maybe i should get a tectu account there and start shitposting
2015-10-17T20:53:06 < Tectu> stop that idea right there
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2015-10-17T21:01:29 < upgrdman> which dell 4k monitor does dongs love?
2015-10-17T21:01:48 < Fleck> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4049ub-mil.pdf << anyone can explain DC electrical specs? I would like to know how much current I can draw from output pins, but ... meh, I don't get it :D
2015-10-17T21:02:09 < Fleck> at 5V VCC/Vin/Vout...
2015-10-17T21:10:30 < artag> the quick answer is you can typically source 1.2mA at 5V or sink 5.2mA to ground with a 5V supply.
2015-10-17T21:11:07 < artag> but there's more to it than that - there are poorer worst cases, and if you did that from all available devices you'd probably exceed power dissipation limits
2015-10-17T21:11:23 < artag> s/devices/outputs/
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2015-10-17T21:12:42 < Fleck> why there is -1.2mA ?
2015-10-17T21:12:47 < artag> although it's intended as a buffer, it's intended to drive signals : it's not a peripheral driver with intentionally high output currents.
2015-10-17T21:13:14 < artag> -1.2mA is because he current is flowing in the opposite direction to the 5.8mA sink current
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2015-10-17T21:15:12 < artag> generally, especially in older devices, the source drivers (connecting the output to +) are not as capable as the sink drivers (connecting the output to ground)
2015-10-17T21:15:47 < Fleck> I added 12mA load, seems to be ok :/
2015-10-17T21:16:15 < artag> you'll find the output isn't reaching 0v/5v though
2015-10-17T21:16:16 < Fleck> thats why I ask...
2015-10-17T21:16:26 < artag> and it might die quickly
2015-10-17T21:17:17 < artag> there are plenty of good solutions for higher currents. it's fine to use what works but don't expect it to be reliable
2015-10-17T21:17:39 < Fleck> yeah, I need to measure how much V is at output
2015-10-17T21:21:46 < artag> figs 4,5,6,7 will tell you what to expect at higher currents. The 1.2mA is the limit assuming you don't want the output to fall below 4.6V
2015-10-17T21:22:31 < artag> but they tell you what's possible, not what's recommended. You'd need to calculate the power dissipated to find out if it was acceptable.
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2015-10-17T21:23:21 < artag> and cd4049 is 45 year old technology. You can get better parts :)
2015-10-17T21:23:37 < Fleck> ;p
2015-10-17T21:23:55 < artag> it's practically vacuum tube !
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2015-10-17T21:26:53 < karlp> PeterM: nice photo of hardware trick video thanks,
2015-10-17T21:27:54 < Fleck> artag: anyway, thanks!
2015-10-17T21:40:14 < Fleck> artag: output V drops to ~3V
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2015-10-17T21:45:01 < artag> sounds reasonable. so you're dissipating 0.012 x 2 = 24mW per output. probably not enough to hurt it.
2015-10-17T21:46:41 < artag> though if the load you've added is resistive, it might not be taking 12mA at 3V, so perhaps you're dissipating less still
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2015-10-17T22:28:51 < Fleck> load is led artag
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2015-10-17T23:21:13 < qyx> is there anything like precision matched resistor networks?
2015-10-17T23:23:22 < qyx> or the other way around - whats the best approach to cheap battery bank monitoring without using fancy isolation amplifiers and such things?
2015-10-17T23:24:23 < upgrdman> lol  http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/cube-haircut-asian-wtf-1750397.gif
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2015-10-17T23:31:48 < Laurenceb_> qyx: I just measure the voltage with an adc  :P
2015-10-17T23:32:10 < qyx> Laurenceb_: 15x 12V lead acid
2015-10-17T23:32:16 < Laurenceb_> oh lol
2015-10-17T23:32:41 < qyx> http://sk.farnell.com/vishay-techno/cdhvaf100mf2500fet/resistor-divider-400k-100m-1/dp/1845239RL
2015-10-17T23:32:44 < qyx> i found this, but meh
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2015-10-17T23:34:17 < qyx> some voltage/frequency converters with optoisolators/caps would do
2015-10-17T23:57:18 < artag> that divider looks nice. But if you want something cheaper, you'll generally find the resistors in a thickfilm package are better matched to each other than they are absolutely accurate, so if you can make your divider out of some combination of the resistors in a single package, you can get better accuracy than the individual parts
2015-10-17T23:58:24 < artag> they're not great, but they're better / cheaper than standard or precision resistors
2015-10-17T23:58:59 < artag> i guess you could also do it with pwm, that might be cunning
2015-10-17T23:59:52 < artag> anybody here using Atollic truestudio ?
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2015-10-18T00:51:13 < qyx> oh, i found AN112 from linear
2015-10-18T00:51:28 < qyx> it describes battery stack voltage measurement using 1:1 transformers
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2015-10-18T01:06:00 < artag> nice for isolation, but transformers are expensive ?
2015-10-18T01:07:08 < qyx> nope, planning to abuse lan magnetics
2015-10-18T01:07:29 < qyx> 1.5kV islations, each port provides 2x 1:1 pulse transformers
2015-10-18T01:13:16 < qyx> the last thing i need to resolve is how to divide the clamping voltage to a lower vlue
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2015-10-18T01:15:58 < upgrdman> what is a "pulse" transformer?
2015-10-18T01:16:41 < qyx> they call it "pulse"
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2015-10-18T01:26:11 < artag> haha, nice idea
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2015-10-18T01:26:56 < artag> upgrdman: a transformer optimised to pass edges rather than power or linearity
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2015-10-18T01:31:25 < artag> qyx: so what I was thinking with pwm is that you take a voltage too big for your ADC, chop it with an open-drain transistor, and low-pass-filter the result. That divides the input voltage using time rather than resistors. However, I'm not sure you can do it without the LPF scaling it by an unknown amount.
2015-10-18T01:33:00 < artag> i guess you'd need to buffer it to avoid that, but that could still be a good alternative to a precision resistor or a calibration step
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2015-10-18T01:38:36 < qyx> artag: might be feasible
2015-10-18T01:38:57 < qyx> but it still needs high voltage switches
2015-10-18T01:39:49 < artag> yes, one or two transistors outside the micro.
2015-10-18T01:41:40 < artag> i haven't read the app note. presumably that chops to get the signal through the transformer ? Maybe you could use a low duty cycle to get the same effect
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2015-10-18T01:42:29 < qyx> it applies a pulse through a resistor on the primary side
2015-10-18T01:43:00 < qyx> and the cell connected on the secondary side causes the pulse to be clamped
2015-10-18T01:43:28 < qyx> to the cell voltage + some offset caused by the diode on the secondary side
2015-10-18T01:44:18 < artag> diode offset won't be consistent, so maybe you'll need to cal it anyway. not very nice as the diode voltage will be temp dependent
2015-10-18T01:44:37 < qyx> they use npn transistor instead for tht reason
2015-10-18T01:44:47 < artag> though I guess you'll need to know the cell temp anyway
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2015-10-18T02:13:43 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-18T02:14:51 < Sync_> trolling
2015-10-18T02:14:55 < dongs> as usual
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2015-10-18T02:18:27 < Roklobsta> dongs: no rest for the wicked?
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2015-10-18T02:41:04 < upgrdman> dongs:
2015-10-18T02:41:07 < upgrdman> which dell 4k monitor does dongs love?
2015-10-18T02:49:53 < zyp> wasn't it the UP2414Q?
2015-10-18T02:53:59 < Laurenceb_> goatvision
2015-10-18T02:59:58 < dongs> ya that one
2015-10-18T03:00:10 < dongs> 2415 is ok if you dont mind blueish backlight
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2015-10-18T03:01:31 < Laurenceb_> stick a filter on the front :D
2015-10-18T03:26:35 < upgrdman> dongs, have you looks into the 27" dell 4k monitor? p2715q?
2015-10-18T03:27:31 < dongs> 27" is too big so i dont care
2015-10-18T03:27:35 < dongs> but its same panel/backlight as 2415
2015-10-18T03:27:40 < dongs> so same blue thing applies.
2015-10-18T03:27:53 < dongs> UP = 10bit panels, GB-R backlight
2015-10-18T03:27:58 < dongs> P = 8bit panels, white backlight
2015-10-18T03:29:21 < upgrdman> oh
2015-10-18T03:29:23 < upgrdman> ok cool
2015-10-18T03:29:32 < upgrdman> up == ultra pro
2015-10-18T03:29:52 < dongs> yes
2015-10-18T03:29:53 < dongs> basically
2015-10-18T03:29:57 < dongs> for pros only
2015-10-18T03:31:06 < dongs> pro bros
2015-10-18T03:32:08 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/uXX1JoE.gif
2015-10-18T03:32:12 < Laurenceb_> GTA IRL
2015-10-18T03:34:13 < dongs> old as shit
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2015-10-18T04:22:50 < PeterM> qyx, for monitoring oyur battery stack you can get fully differential amplifiers that do like 1200v offset and just monitor the whole stack directly
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2015-10-18T04:37:22 < dongs> samsung T1 is pretty good
2015-10-18T04:37:30 < dongs> 420-430megs reads 380-390 writes
2015-10-18T04:37:38 < dongs> uses half the current at high load as intel SSD
2015-10-18T04:37:50 < dongs> and actuall works in surfacebro3 without dicking up
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2015-10-18T05:05:31 < englishman> 2415 is pretty crap imo
2015-10-18T05:05:41 < englishman> If you turn it off, it disconnects
2015-10-18T05:05:47 < englishman> And rearranges desktop
2015-10-18T05:09:14 < dongs> thats property of displayport
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2015-10-18T06:24:30 < zyp> it is?
2015-10-18T06:25:11 < zyp> oh, yeah, U2713H does that too
2015-10-18T06:27:08 < dongs> i need to find time to write firmware for that dp redriver thing I made a pcb for
2015-10-18T06:27:14 < dongs> that should allow keeping link without dropping
2015-10-18T06:28:00 < zyp> how does it handle metadata?
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2015-10-18T06:43:22 < dongs> zyp, duno,
2015-10-18T06:43:28 < dongs> but it has pass-through for dp_aux
2015-10-18T06:43:29 < dongs>  and hpd
2015-10-18T06:43:40 < dongs> i think dp can turn off main link to save power
2015-10-18T06:43:42 < dongs> while keeping dp_aux
2015-10-18T06:43:53 < dongs> so as long as that's going, card will think its connected
2015-10-18T06:44:06 < dongs> by passthorugh im ean, it goes thoruigh the chip and can control it on both sides
2015-10-18T06:56:39 < ReadError> zyp im pretty happy with the asus shit
2015-10-18T06:57:16 < ReadError> dongs my DP doesnt do that though? its on OSX
2015-10-18T06:59:44 < dongs> doesnmt do waht
2015-10-18T07:01:57 < ReadError> re-arrange or change res
2015-10-18T07:02:25 < dongs> rearrange what? do macfaggots even use windows ? I thought all mac apps were just fullscreen
2015-10-18T07:03:07 < ReadError> <englishman> If you turn it off, it disconnects
2015-10-18T07:03:07 < ReadError> <englishman> And rearranges desktop
2015-10-18T07:04:08 < englishman> Ya
2015-10-18T07:04:13 < englishman> Known dell only problem
2015-10-18T07:04:21 < englishman> Due to faggotry
2015-10-18T07:04:37 < dongs> its not a dlel problem...
2015-10-18T07:04:44 < englishman> Yes.
2015-10-18T07:04:51 < dongs> its how displaydong works
2015-10-18T07:04:55 < dongs> hdmi and shit just cares about HPD
2015-10-18T07:04:58 < englishman> Aids.
2015-10-18T07:04:59 < dongs> and dcc/aux
2015-10-18T07:05:14 < dongs> and thats powered all teh time by host, even when moinitor is off
2015-10-18T07:05:15 < ReadError> well alls I know is im running DP and it doesnt do it
2015-10-18T07:05:18 < dongs> so it thinks its "connecteD"
2015-10-18T07:05:29 < dongs> ReadError: what does it do? you turn off screen, what happens to the apps that weer on it
2015-10-18T07:05:29 < englishman> So how the fuck do I shut off monitor without rearranging desktop.
2015-10-18T07:05:41 < englishman> If this is the case, dp is not suitable for desktop.
2015-10-18T07:05:43 < ReadError> dongs they just sit there?
2015-10-18T07:05:58 < ReadError> when I turn it back on, its same as when I turned it off
2015-10-18T07:06:30 < englishman> And I bet there are no windows disconnect sounds.
2015-10-18T07:06:56 < ReadError> no
2015-10-18T07:07:09 < ReadError> windows are in the same spot etc, so its not disconnecting
2015-10-18T07:08:19 < englishman> Right
2015-10-18T07:08:27 < englishman> With non shitty
2015-10-18T07:08:45 < englishman> Dell only problem, due to idiocy/shit company
2015-10-18T07:09:52 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/PB279Q-3840x2160-DisplayPort-Ergonomic-Back-lit/dp/B00YWCYKQM
2015-10-18T07:09:54 < ReadError> mmm
2015-10-18T07:10:08 < ReadError> might as well wait for blackfriday
2015-10-18T07:11:41 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/tTmDc5d.gifv
2015-10-18T07:13:28 < dongs> 10bit panel and wled backlight?
2015-10-18T07:13:28 < dongs> fuck off
2015-10-18T07:13:30 < dongs> also 27"
2015-10-18T07:13:56 < ReadError> whats wrong with that?
2015-10-18T07:14:08 < dongs> tii bug>
2015-10-18T07:14:09 < dongs> erwg
2015-10-18T07:14:11 < dongs> too big?
2015-10-18T07:14:12 < dongs> bbl
2015-10-18T07:15:26 < upgrdman> i kinda want 20-22" 4k. 24" is ok but about max i'd want
2015-10-18T07:16:26 < upgrdman> god damn it. new logitech mx master mouse is total shit. at least when used in bluetooth mode, lags and stutters up the ass.
2015-10-18T07:16:43 < upgrdman> plus the back/forward buttons are too far back
2015-10-18T07:17:04 < ReadError> im pretty picky about my mice
2015-10-18T07:17:11 < upgrdman> same here
2015-10-18T07:18:41 < upgrdman> and the horiz scroll wheel in the mx master feels cheap. theres a damper in it, but it wiggles when you change directions. makes it feel like china trash.
2015-10-18T07:18:50 < ReadError> pretty happy with the g502 for now
2015-10-18T07:18:54 < ReadError> since they killed the g9x
2015-10-18T07:19:41 < upgrdman> i have a g602 but never use it because im spoiled by free spinning hi-res scroll wheels
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2015-10-18T07:20:17 < ReadError> ya thats a must have for me
2015-10-18T07:20:27 < upgrdman> 502 has free spin?
2015-10-18T07:20:28 < ReadError> cant go back to a coggy scroll
2015-10-18T07:20:29 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-18T07:20:35 < ReadError> well selectable
2015-10-18T07:20:37 < upgrdman> high res?
2015-10-18T07:20:44 < ReadError> I guess
2015-10-18T07:20:46 < ReadError> seems accurate
2015-10-18T07:21:02 < upgrdman> like when you scroll, is it line by line, or smooth like a touch pad scroll?
2015-10-18T07:21:13 < upgrdman> with sub line resolution
2015-10-18T07:21:13 < ReadError> GAMING-GRADE DUAL-MODE, HYPER-FAST SCROLL WHEEL
2015-10-18T07:21:14 < ReadError> Precision and speed
2015-10-18T07:21:14 < ReadError> You decide the mode with Proteus Core. Choose whether you want click-to-click precision or hyper-fast scrolling.
2015-10-18T07:21:22 < ReadError> its gaymer grade
2015-10-18T07:21:48 < ReadError> upgrdman its not line by line
2015-10-18T07:21:59 < ReadError> depends on the app though
2015-10-18T07:22:14 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-18T07:22:38 < upgrdman> oh its wired :(
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2015-10-18T09:10:20 < dongs> http://yuzhikov.com/articles/BlurredImagesRestoration1.htm
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2015-10-18T09:33:58 < Roklobsta> dongs: nothing's gonna save Zano cam.
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2015-10-18T10:13:04 < qyx> PeterM: i couldn't find any
2015-10-18T10:13:25 < qyx> only some with 60V common mode voltage
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2015-10-18T13:49:17 < PeterM> qyx have you looked at ina148/ina146?
2015-10-18T13:51:27 < qyx> PeterM: it is more expensive than isolation amplifiers
2015-10-18T13:51:57 < qyx> and only 200V for +-15V supply
2015-10-18T13:53:37 < PeterM> +/- 200v, so you refrence it to middle of stack
2015-10-18T13:53:45 < PeterM> how much are isolation amplifiers?
2015-10-18T13:56:11 < qyx> a bit less, but still ~10x more than the LN transformer approach (if it works)
2015-10-18T13:56:26 < qyx> *LAN
2015-10-18T13:59:03 < PeterM> how much would a fist full of f0s and optos cost?
2015-10-18T13:59:12 < qyx> lol
2015-10-18T13:59:21 < PeterM> 100% serious
2015-10-18T13:59:35 < qyx> i though about this
2015-10-18T13:59:42 < PeterM> 030f4p6 is like 30c or something
2015-10-18T13:59:49 < qyx> it would allow simple temperature monitoring too
2015-10-18T14:00:36 < qyx> they could be daisy chained using USARTs together
2015-10-18T14:01:54 < qyx> or just capacitors & manchester encoded data
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2015-10-18T14:22:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttQrSHm6JNI haha zano is dead
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2015-10-18T14:33:30 < Steffanx> All i see is some hovering quadcopter dongs?
2015-10-18T14:33:43 < Steffanx> ok sayno cannot do that, but..
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2015-10-18T15:59:14 < Laurenceb_> 6lowpan etc would be interesting
2015-10-18T15:59:26 < Laurenceb_> if stm32w hadnt been discontinued
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2015-10-18T16:06:52 < oz4ga> flyback: nice
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2015-10-18T16:09:41 < Laurenceb_> banggood sounds like a brothel
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2015-10-18T16:20:40 < jadew> u pay, u banggood
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2015-10-18T16:21:48 < Laurenceb_> chinesewifedirect.com
2015-10-18T16:22:16 < jadew> u pay, u banggood long time
2015-10-18T16:22:42 < jadew> server not found :(
2015-10-18T16:23:38 < Laurenceb_> no bang for you
2015-10-18T16:24:01 < Laurenceb_> www.chinesewifes.com/
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2015-10-18T16:24:26 < jadew> that sounds like someone elses wifes
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2015-10-18T16:24:47 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I lolld
2015-10-18T16:24:49 < Laurenceb_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11925727/Labour-MP-says-Jeremy-Hunts-Chinese-born-wife-should-not-have-come-to-UK.html
2015-10-18T16:24:55 < Laurenceb_> customer spotted
2015-10-18T16:26:21 < jadew> I found this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3058748/She-spoke-sex-like-housework-Confessions-men-paid-thousands-marry-mail-order-brides-lived-regret-it.html
2015-10-18T16:26:23 < jadew> reading it now
2015-10-18T16:27:14 < Laurenceb_> jadew is learning how not to be disappointed with his purchase
2015-10-18T16:27:50 < jadew> I already have an eastern-european wife
2015-10-18T16:30:41 < Laurenceb_> why limit yourself to one
2015-10-18T16:30:55 < jadew> it's against the law
2015-10-18T16:32:23 < BrainDamage> is she still under warranty?
2015-10-18T16:32:57 < jadew> nah, I broke the seal before making the purchase
2015-10-18T16:33:06 < jadew> actually... come to think of it, it was already broken
2015-10-18T16:33:07 < jadew> lol
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2015-10-18T17:02:26 < Tectu> GPIOI->AFR[1] |= (0b1110 << 4*7);
2015-10-18T17:02:27 < Tectu> .\ugfx\boards\base\STM32F746-Discovery\board_STM32LTDC.h(64): error:  #18: expected a ")"
2015-10-18T17:02:35 < Tectu> WHAT, keil, WHAT!!!!
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2015-10-18T17:26:40 < jubatus> is line 18 the first non-comment line of board_STM32LTDC.h ?
2015-10-18T17:29:35 < Tectu> jubatus, no, why?
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2015-10-18T17:32:21 < jubatus> just in case the error was caused by something in the .c file before the .h was included.
2015-10-18T17:33:32 < jubatus> run gcc with -E
2015-10-18T17:33:41 < jubatus> that's the easy way to find out what went wrong
2015-10-18T17:34:05 < Tectu> jubatus, the thing I am trying to compile compiles just fine under GCC
2015-10-18T17:34:08 < Tectu> Keil is not liking it.
2015-10-18T17:34:27 < jubatus> the Keil compiler must also have a preprocess-only flag
2015-10-18T17:36:06 < jubatus> haha
2015-10-18T17:36:10 < jubatus> its -E on armcc as well.
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2015-10-18T17:42:21 < Tectu> time to figure out how to tell keil to use -E
2015-10-18T17:43:37 < Tectu> jubatus, does the generated file have some well known extension or do I need to read some crappy manual to figure out where the generated file went?
2015-10-18T17:44:49 < jubatus> let me look at the Keil docs. I've never done this on Keil myself.
2015-10-18T17:45:23 < Tectu> I am trying to find the appropriate doc for that
2015-10-18T17:46:41 < jubatus> probably in Keil_v5\ARM\Hlp\uv4.chm on windows
2015-10-18T17:47:44 < Tectu> seriously... somebody was too lazy to write Help
2015-10-18T17:51:08 < jubatus> in Options->Listing there's something "C Preprocessor Listing" try that
2015-10-18T17:51:37 < jubatus> yep. that's the one.
2015-10-18T17:51:52 < jubatus> "Instructs the compiler to produce a preprocessor listing. Macro calls are expanded and comments are deleted.
2015-10-18T17:56:38 < Tectu> jubatus, does it also say where to look for the file?
2015-10-18T17:56:58 < Tectu> jubatus, never mind, it says next to the checkbox
2015-10-18T17:58:08 < Tectu> wut... 20k lines but 85% of the lines are empty.
2015-10-18T17:58:25 < jubatus> there will be a #line directive
2015-10-18T17:58:28 < jubatus> use that to find line 18
2015-10-18T17:59:34 < Tectu> jubatus, that is very helpful, thanks
2015-10-18T17:59:36 < Tectu> jubatus,    ((GPIO_TypeDef *) ((((uint32_t)0x40000000) + 0x00020000) + 0x2000))->AFR[1] |= (0b1110 << 4*7);
2015-10-18T18:00:40 < Tectu> time to count those paranthesis :D
2015-10-18T18:00:47 < jubatus> so the error is probably in the line previous to this
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2015-10-18T18:01:28 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/show/5274d86c32
2015-10-18T18:01:28 < jubatus> wait
2015-10-18T18:01:32 < jubatus> what is GPIO_TypeDef ?
2015-10-18T18:01:47 < Tectu> jubatus, the crap from STM32Cube (the STM32 HAL from ST)
2015-10-18T18:03:08 < jubatus> one of those 2 is not defined. GPIO_TypeDef or AFR
2015-10-18T18:04:47 < Tectu> jubatus, nope, this comes from the CMSIS lib:  http://paste.ugfx.org/show/9c7de3ff1f
2015-10-18T18:04:48 < mitrax> Tectu: the error may lie elsewhere but be aware that the 0b binary prefix is not part of the C standard
2015-10-18T18:05:32 < mitrax> Tectu: afaik it's a feature of gcc and some other C compilers but it might not be supported by Keil
2015-10-18T18:06:43 < jubatus> Tectu: (uint16_t *)((uint32_t)0xC0000000),
2015-10-18T18:06:53 < jubatus> err ignore that
2015-10-18T18:07:42 < mitrax> Tectu: if it errors on the very first line where you have a binary constant, it's most likely the culprit
2015-10-18T18:07:49 < Tectu> mitrax, looks like you are right... I replaced those 0b with 0x and now it doesn´t throw an error there
2015-10-18T18:07:56 < Tectu> mitrax, it is...
2015-10-18T18:08:02 < mitrax> ok :)
2015-10-18T18:08:32 < jubatus> that was not a ST header ?
2015-10-18T18:09:00 < jubatus> Tectu: I hope you changed 1110 also
2015-10-18T18:09:11 < Tectu> jubatus, yes, of course ;)   But thank you
2015-10-18T18:09:37 < Tectu> jubatus, afaik the CMSIS header is the ST header or the other way around. It is ´The STM32 header´
2015-10-18T18:09:41 < Tectu> mitrax, thank you for your help... not sure how long I would have been looking for this one...
2015-10-18T18:09:50 < mitrax> ahaha np
2015-10-18T18:09:58 < Tectu> but wtf is 0b not standard...
2015-10-18T18:10:05 < Tectu> I NEVER heard of that before
2015-10-18T18:10:17 < mitrax> no, it's has been proposed for C99 but was rejected
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2015-10-18T18:10:47 < Tectu> how comes?
2015-10-18T18:12:31 < Tectu> mitrax, also, looks like inline is not C standard? Because keil got __inline and it really doesn´t like inline
2015-10-18T18:12:35 < mitrax> "A proposal to add binary constants was rejected due to lack of precedent and insufficient utility."
2015-10-18T18:12:39 < Tectu> although their code editor highlights it as a keyword
2015-10-18T18:12:41 < mitrax> inline is C++
2015-10-18T18:12:55 < Tectu> I have been using inline in C for like years
2015-10-18T18:13:10 < Tectu> mitrax, can you give me a link to where that quote comes from?
2015-10-18T18:13:17 < mitrax> the C99 rational
2015-10-18T18:13:21 < mitrax> hold on
2015-10-18T18:14:50 < Tectu> so one should not assume that what ever compiles with GCC will also compile with anything else :P
2015-10-18T18:15:22 < mitrax> https://books.google.fr/books?id=yxLISD0TAbEC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=%22A+proposal+to+add+binary+constants+was+rejected+due+to+lack+of+precedent+and+insufficient+utility%22&source=bl&ots=tERCkFQ3bw&sig=LXDL9N0ZNHdwzFTln9HKTFO7v8w&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAGoVChMI742S8KfMyAIVQ7gaCh06awGs#v=onepage&q=%22A%20proposal%20to%20add%20binary%20constants%20was%20rejected%20due%20to%20lack%20of%20precedent
2015-10-18T18:15:23 < mitrax> %20and%20insufficient%20utility%22&f=false
2015-10-18T18:15:42 < Tectu> now, that´s one heck of a link
2015-10-18T18:16:00 < Tectu> so the project is compiling AND working straight away. Awesome!
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2015-10-18T18:18:08 < ReadError> hmm just put 12v to a GPIO pin
2015-10-18T18:18:14 < ReadError> and the STM is still alive somehow
2015-10-18T18:18:41 < Tectu> ReadError, pin protection. The chip is still alive but the pin/port might be blown
2015-10-18T18:18:51 < Tectu> there are clamping diodes everywhere
2015-10-18T18:18:58 < ReadError> port seems okay
2015-10-18T18:19:04 < ReadError> not checked that pin itself
2015-10-18T18:28:01 < Tectu> is there a pragma to tell the compiler not to throw any warnings for a specific file?
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2015-10-18T19:50:15 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ao5SCedIk sr71 engine operation explained
2015-10-18T19:52:31 < kakimir> it's engine type changes by speed
2015-10-18T19:52:38 < kakimir> from turbojet to turboramjet
2015-10-18T19:59:21 < kakimir> such primitive engine
2015-10-18T20:00:51 < kakimir> 0.5M too little
2015-10-18T20:01:13 < kakimir> to sustain targets speed
2015-10-18T20:01:16 < zyp> to keep up
2015-10-18T20:02:04 < kakimir> that kind of target would need special weapon too I guess
2015-10-18T20:02:17 < kakimir> longer burning missiles
2015-10-18T20:02:28 < kakimir> going also faster
2015-10-18T20:03:53 < kakimir> even unarmed it lacks some 0.2 - 0.3M
2015-10-18T20:04:08 < kakimir> but for plane made of actually steel
2015-10-18T20:05:03 < kakimir> and having no as complex engine inlet systems as sr71
2015-10-18T20:05:16 < kakimir> it's incredible speed
2015-10-18T20:06:35 < kakimir> engines were made in brutal power principle
2015-10-18T20:08:13 < kakimir> High-altitude speed is temperature-redlined to Mach 2.83 – the thrust-to-drag ratio is sufficient for speeds in excess of Mach 3, but such speeds pose unacceptable hazards to engine and airframe life in routine use.[6]
2015-10-18T20:08:44 < kakimir> remember there is no redline for sr71
2015-10-18T20:09:08 < kakimir> just full steam ahead and it doesn't care
2015-10-18T20:10:16 < zyp> keep in mind the sr71 has a higher service ceiling as well
2015-10-18T20:10:18 < kakimir> but how long?
2015-10-18T20:10:30 < kakimir> how close you need to be?
2015-10-18T20:11:34 < kakimir> 80-90km tailchaising or ahead?
2015-10-18T20:12:04 < kakimir> or it flies actually 80-90km
2015-10-18T20:12:40 < kakimir> okay
2015-10-18T20:12:58 < kakimir> after it leaves under wing it covers that distance
2015-10-18T20:13:06 < kakimir> let me do some math
2015-10-18T20:17:11 < kakimir> okay missile has burntime of 52,89seconds with 90km range
2015-10-18T20:17:32 < kakimir> maybe it's under that but it doens't matter
2015-10-18T20:19:01 < kakimir> it's catching target in pace of 561,47m/s
2015-10-18T20:19:30 < kakimir> in tailchace condition
2015-10-18T20:20:59 < kakimir> it's interesting
2015-10-18T20:21:30 < kakimir> 29km behind fired missile would get targed
2015-10-18T20:21:53 < kakimir> besides small aircrafts have shitty radars
2015-10-18T20:23:35 < kakimir> they use ground guidance or aerial radar platform for 2. reasons
2015-10-18T20:23:51 < kakimir> 1) those are just better
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2015-10-18T20:23:58 < kakimir> 2) come in silently
2015-10-18T20:24:53 < lkcl> dongs: ping.  karlp says apparently you're doing CSI camera with STM32F?  i'd be interested to hear how you're getting on, my email address is luke.leighton@gmail.com
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2015-10-18T20:26:00 < kakimir> there is nothing interesting to calculate that
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2015-10-18T20:26:27 < kakimir> you have it then when it's in crosshairs ahead
2015-10-18T20:26:42 < zyp> shame they didn't have any mig31s when sr71 were in use though, maybe they could actually have managed to shoot down any
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2015-10-18T20:28:01 < zyp> oh, ok
2015-10-18T20:28:07 < zyp> so how come they weren't shot down then?
2015-10-18T20:28:17 < kakimir> when it's so easy
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2015-10-18T20:29:11 < kakimir> that's crazy
2015-10-18T20:29:17 < kakimir> such a waste
2015-10-18T20:29:41 < kakimir> please add reference for your argument R2COM
2015-10-18T20:30:32 < kakimir> something more than word of soviet military
2015-10-18T20:31:11 < kakimir> their operation areas as you explained
2015-10-18T20:32:04 < kakimir> U2 was a sailplane
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2015-10-18T20:32:28 < kakimir> propably not
2015-10-18T20:32:33 < kakimir> of any operations
2015-10-18T20:32:45 < kakimir> okay
2015-10-18T20:32:53 < kakimir> how about soviet sources
2015-10-18T20:33:00 < kakimir> black on white
2015-10-18T20:33:25 < kakimir> idk
2015-10-18T20:33:34 < kakimir> where you get your information
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2015-10-18T20:33:58 < kakimir> I just read wiki
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2015-10-18T20:35:18 < karlp> kakimir: it's simple. russian shit is better, deal with it.
2015-10-18T20:35:34 < karlp> doesn't matter what numbers or facts may or may not agree or disagree, russians are better.
2015-10-18T20:36:53 < kakimir> those did fly there didn't fly there and there sound like mouth to mouth information that has no credibility
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2015-10-18T20:37:59 < kakimir> bacause 70's radars
2015-10-18T20:38:19 < kakimir> even those soviet radars were the best of time
2015-10-18T20:39:12 < kakimir> I'm speaking in possibility not in absolute
2015-10-18T20:40:12 < kakimir> if I place question does it say I'm placing fact?
2015-10-18T20:41:36 < kakimir> you say mig31 made sr71 project to halt? because it was the money after all
2015-10-18T20:42:00 < kakimir> if there was no mig31 you could use that ridiculous jet sailplane
2015-10-18T20:43:07 < kakimir> nowdays anything can be shot down I guess
2015-10-18T20:43:11 < kakimir> from ground
2015-10-18T20:43:18 < zyp> not R2COM's ego
2015-10-18T20:43:42 < kakimir> or some basic aerial platform
2015-10-18T20:44:20 < zyp> what are you discussing anyway? what is best of a mig31 and a sr71?
2015-10-18T20:44:54 < kakimir> mig31 made sr71 go away. end of discussion.
2015-10-18T20:46:23 < kakimir> they had money
2015-10-18T20:47:15 < kakimir> that is just plain stupid we both can agree
2015-10-18T20:47:48 < kakimir> they believed it can be pushed down the throats of every partner
2015-10-18T20:49:20 < kakimir> propably planning for buying that insane mansion and stuff for work well done
2015-10-18T20:51:34 < kakimir> I think SR71 had more real practical/strategic value and IP wise than F22/35 projects combined ever will have
2015-10-18T20:54:54 < kakimir> are they saying f35 is the best?
2015-10-18T20:55:08 < kakimir> zyp and karlp
2015-10-18T20:57:08 < kakimir> there is no facts still revealed of operations
2015-10-18T20:58:07 < kakimir> *sorry read "shot down"
2015-10-18T20:58:21 < kakimir> it said shut down
2015-10-18T20:58:32 < kakimir> true
2015-10-18T20:59:06 < kakimir> F18 hornet and it's successors
2015-10-18T20:59:26 < kakimir> f16 is not continued
2015-10-18T20:59:27 < karlp> what's been successful has been the contracting companies selling stuff to the DoD,
2015-10-18T20:59:56 < kakimir> is f15 continued.. are they working on upgrade?
2015-10-18T21:01:00 < kakimir> f16 is not continued as they wanted to push f35 down the throats of today f16 users
2015-10-18T21:03:18 < kakimir> it is but not has no major upgrades
2015-10-18T21:04:37 < kakimir> http://www.f-16.net/f-35-news-article1794.html such a good ally..
2015-10-18T21:05:12 < kakimir> wait it's 2006 old
2015-10-18T21:05:57 < kakimir> http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsnetherlands-places-order-for-first-batch-of-f-35-lightning-ii-aircraft-4542737
2015-10-18T21:05:57 < Steffann_> Actually we dont really need it. The dutch army is a joke anyway.
2015-10-18T21:06:07 < kakimir> they have no use for it
2015-10-18T21:06:19 < kakimir> let's buy.. it's super expensives
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2015-10-18T21:06:44 < kakimir> Steffann_: can I invade your country?
2015-10-18T21:07:06 < Steffann_> Im sure you can kakimir
2015-10-18T21:07:11 < kakimir> does your military even have phef phef guns?
2015-10-18T21:07:29 < kakimir> or just pepper spray?
2015-10-18T21:08:00 < kakimir> I think some european militaries don't even train with guns
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2015-10-18T21:08:43 < Steffann_> We do, but most of the heavy stuff is gone kakimir
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2015-10-18T21:09:11 < kakimir> I don't see a reason anyone would attack netherlands
2015-10-18T21:10:30 < kakimir> hmm
2015-10-18T21:11:15 < kakimir> I think drugs+orgies make allah mad
2015-10-18T21:13:00 < kakimir> and rave parties
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2015-10-18T21:14:28 < kakimir> did I tell R2COM that one russian I know told us that his last wish as he dies someday is to make his funeral an orgy?
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2015-10-18T21:15:42 < kakimir> it's actually quite nice idea
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2015-10-18T21:17:38 < kakimir> price?
2015-10-18T21:18:01 < kakimir> fattie?
2015-10-18T21:19:15 < kakimir> can't be done ever
2015-10-18T21:19:38 < kakimir> but can be sold
2015-10-18T21:21:09 < kakimir> you can pay high taxes without seeing anything happen too
2015-10-18T21:23:33 < karlp> eheh, using the phrase "suitable for beginners" and doing this: http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4968&sid=fa9c99b7fc72edf102f28abe6b6ceaec&mode=view
2015-10-18T21:24:25 < kakimir> Funland has highest total tax% after The Only Korea
2015-10-18T21:24:46 < kakimir> still no invading of sweden or anything
2015-10-18T21:27:35 < kakimir> it's way business here works... companies/unions used to be little pigglets sucking sows(state) titties but now those pigglets have been full grown for a while
2015-10-18T21:28:01 < kakimir> + balooning sosial sector
2015-10-18T21:28:17 < kakimir> *social
2015-10-18T21:35:02 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-18T21:36:33 < kakimir> natinal pride.. halted
2015-10-18T21:36:39 < kakimir> *national
2015-10-18T21:39:16 < kakimir> so it was made to not be sold for anyone
2015-10-18T21:39:38 < kakimir> and not even for themselfs
2015-10-18T21:40:34 < kakimir> funny thing is that it's quite ok plane and superiority class
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2015-10-18T22:02:23 < kakimir> and there is russian national pride in that video
2015-10-18T22:02:41 < kakimir> troll scands with fighter jets
2015-10-18T22:04:10 < kakimir> made me smile a little
2015-10-18T22:06:16 < kakimir> I have like... 2
2015-10-18T22:07:07 < kakimir> I don't remember what I have but another of them is CSGP
2015-10-18T22:07:08 < kakimir> GO
2015-10-18T22:07:24 < kakimir> another is some free crap
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2015-10-18T22:12:06 < kakimir> what are those things in it
2015-10-18T22:12:20 < kakimir> camera lenses?
2015-10-18T22:16:22 < kakimir> optical sensors definitelly
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2015-10-19T00:23:21 < kakimir> bear should be saying "Good."
2015-10-19T00:27:06 < Laurenceb_> zano dead
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2015-10-19T00:51:20 < ReadError> anyone know a non-timecube solution to pinmap planning
2015-10-19T00:51:48 < ReadError> its a PITA to try and do it w/o seeing all the peripherals on each pin and flipping back to the datasheet ;(
2015-10-19T00:52:12 < mitrax> i usually use an excel sheet
2015-10-19T00:52:22 < ReadError> ya i was thinkin about that too'
2015-10-19T00:52:34 < ReadError> but figured there might be a site or existing stuff out
2015-10-19T00:52:48 < Laurenceb_> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a1eNhqNaZ8A/Trv6zyNEXpI/AAAAAAAAAhg/qtDN7WBkwoA/s1600/IMG_1429.JPG
2015-10-19T00:52:54 < Laurenceb_> pinmapping ^
2015-10-19T00:53:24 < Laurenceb_> there is a downloadable excel sheet
2015-10-19T00:54:13 < ReadError> on st.com?
2015-10-19T00:54:39 < ReadError> I will need to use their wonderful site search to find this
2015-10-19T00:59:34 < ReadError> might be a price mistake
2015-10-19T00:59:42 < ReadError> but worth trying i guess
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2015-10-19T02:37:35 < dongs> lkcl: not CSI, just parallel / DCMI stuff. CSI isn't gonna work.
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2015-10-19T04:08:34 < zyp> what happened with the hdmi to csi adapter to turn rpi into hdmi capture device? :p
2015-10-19T04:19:39 < Getty> some cable are just weird: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00TLX3FXG
2015-10-19T04:24:23 < dongs> zyp: exists but boring?
2015-10-19T04:25:35 < zyp> haha
2015-10-19T04:25:43 < zyp> ok
2015-10-19T04:25:51 < dongs> PI only has 2 CSI lanes i think
2015-10-19T04:25:55 < zyp> oh, by the way, when do korea want their money?
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2015-10-19T05:24:57 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/ck7TvXr.gif
2015-10-19T05:25:05 < upgrdman> also R2COM ^
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2015-10-19T06:51:52 < upgrdman> what hours do you work? i usually do roughly 7-3:30 so i have most of the evening for me
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2015-10-19T07:37:51 < upgrdman> ya 6ish
2015-10-19T07:38:05 < upgrdman> and go to bed around 11 or midnight
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2015-10-19T08:30:23 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEdBeyXGZ94&feature=youtu.be
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2015-10-19T09:35:40 < qyx> wait, binary literals?
2015-10-19T09:35:58 < qyx> 16:02 < Tectu> GPIOI->AFR[1] |= (0b1110 << 4*7);
2015-10-19T09:38:12 < jpa-> seems silly to use that there, doesn't the reference manual give that as 14 instead of 1110
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2015-10-19T09:43:13 < qyx> id doesn't seem to be standard compliant either
2015-10-19T09:55:56 < jpa-> meh, like that matters
2015-10-19T09:56:33 < jpa-> also it's standard in c++14! ;)
2015-10-19T10:04:00 < emeryth> whut
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2015-10-19T10:58:05 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/MiniatureUnlawfulCaecilian those japs
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2015-10-19T11:10:00 < bgdwiepp> im curious the conversation going on
2015-10-19T11:10:45 < dongs> you can check here http://www.nowvideo.sx/video/7d86154f95ed1
2015-10-19T11:11:17 < bgdwiepp> is it subbed, or will you  translate?
2015-10-19T11:11:38 < dongs> i doubt youre gonna need much translation
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2015-10-19T11:36:40 < jadew> interesting video
2015-10-19T11:36:47  * jadew goes to make sure nobody's home
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2015-10-19T11:53:38 < dongs> haah
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2015-10-19T12:16:16 < dongs> looks like my trashed intel SSD is good to 2019 for warranty
2015-10-19T12:16:23 < dongs> ill just replace it and sell or something
2015-10-19T12:19:00 < jadew> what happened to it?
2015-10-19T12:19:02 < Ecco> Last time I checked Intel wasn't the shit for SSDs anymore
2015-10-19T12:20:29 < dongs> jadew: trashed itself
2015-10-19T12:20:34 < dongs> jadew: unreadable sectors
2015-10-19T12:20:43 < dongs> intel fucking SSD utility sayz its 100% fine on health/remaining life
2015-10-19T12:20:50 < dongs> SMART says i only written like 600gigs to it
2015-10-19T12:21:00 < dongs> but theres over 9000 read retry errors or someshit like that
2015-10-19T12:21:18 < jadew> did you lose anything?
2015-10-19T12:21:24 < Ecco> maybe something fucked up with the wear leveling?
2015-10-19T12:21:29 < dongs> nothing of value, i made a disk iamge immediately ignoring errors
2015-10-19T12:21:33 < dongs> and loaded it up and copied everything
2015-10-19T12:21:37 < jadew> then consider it a win
2015-10-19T12:21:45 < jadew> you now know not to buy intel SSDs again
2015-10-19T12:21:51 < dongs> yeah def
2015-10-19T12:21:57 < qyx> wat
2015-10-19T12:23:12 < dongs> Ecco: no idea, but its not my problem at this point
2015-10-19T12:23:19 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-10-19T12:23:29 < dongs> the fact that SMART didnt show any of this, i cant trust their shit again
2015-10-19T12:23:49 < jubatus> https://www.reddit.com/r/monsterdongs
2015-10-19T12:23:52 < Lux> I wonder if that innovative intel storage will ever come out
2015-10-19T12:24:10 < jadew> at least with HDDs you could wait for it to get cold, try again and still have a shot at recovering your data
2015-10-19T12:24:16 < jadew> with SSDs, if it's gone, it's gone
2015-10-19T12:24:31 < jubatus> there's a SMART for SSDs ? how does that work ?
2015-10-19T12:24:47 < jubatus> how do you predict failure of a flash drive
2015-10-19T12:24:59 < Lux> http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology
2015-10-19T12:25:03 < karlp> statistics!
2015-10-19T12:25:10 < jadew> jubatus, maybe they can measure the current?
2015-10-19T12:25:25 < jadew> and when some of those transistors get fried, they detect that
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2015-10-19T12:29:18 < dongs> anyway, I guess at least SSD can be read back
2015-10-19T12:29:26 < dongs> there are emmc/nand sockets
2015-10-19T12:29:30 < dongs> that you can load de-balled chips into
2015-10-19T12:29:44 < dongs> but the shit is probly all interleaved/raided/etc across chips
2015-10-19T12:29:55 < dongs> without knowing internal organizaiton of shit its pointless
2015-10-19T12:30:00 < dongs> i suppose data recovery places know it tho
2015-10-19T12:30:24 < jadew> most likely, but can you really recover it?
2015-10-19T12:30:49 < jadew> like... if a sector is fried
2015-10-19T12:31:05 < jadew> I don't think there's much you can do to even guess what was there
2015-10-19T12:31:16 < dongs> right
2015-10-19T12:31:18 < dongs> but you can read other shit
2015-10-19T12:31:25 < jadew> yeah
2015-10-19T12:31:30 < dongs> if a hdd head eats the platter
2015-10-19T12:31:32 < dongs> youre fucked 100%
2015-10-19T12:31:33 < jadew> true
2015-10-19T12:32:08 < dongs> with ssd thing, I did image, and it had like ~30 unreadable sectors scattered at random places
2015-10-19T12:32:35 < jadew> that's not much
2015-10-19T12:32:38 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-19T12:32:42 < dongs> and that stuff was in useless files
2015-10-19T12:32:53 < dongs> mostly history\ folders from altidong
2015-10-19T12:32:59 < dongs> which are just zips of previous versions of work
2015-10-19T12:33:04 < jadew> I still have a HDD I hope to recover data from at some point
2015-10-19T12:33:23 < dongs> i had a 3tb shitgate as temp drive for random junk
2015-10-19T12:33:28 < dongs> one day it just shit itself without warning
2015-10-19T12:33:41 < dongs> so, no more shitgate for me either
2015-10-19T12:34:01 < jadew> I have lots of HDDs that have given up on me
2015-10-19T12:34:05 < jadew> maybe 10 or more
2015-10-19T12:34:15 < jadew> but usually they let you know before it happens
2015-10-19T12:34:24 < dongs> shitgate was the only one that really crapped out
2015-10-19T12:34:30 < dongs> the rest of my stuff is in raid6 so..
2015-10-19T12:34:37 < jadew> or even if they act out, you still have a few days of usage to recover everything
2015-10-19T12:34:40 < dongs> it was for trash data anyway
2015-10-19T12:34:55 < dongs> 3tb without raid is useless
2015-10-19T12:35:01 < jadew> I keep a raid 1 for my work stuff
2015-10-19T12:35:23 < jadew> and I have 2 x 2 Tb drives in raid 1 for personal things
2015-10-19T12:35:26 < jadew> images/videos
2015-10-19T12:35:43 < dongs> and 50tb for cp
2015-10-19T12:35:47 < jadew> heh
2015-10-19T12:36:11 < jadew> I actually have about 500 gb of porn and made the mistake of telling that to my wife (she asked)
2015-10-19T12:36:24 < mitrax> ahahaah
2015-10-19T12:36:44 < jadew> she got furious: "you mean to tell me you have more porn than the total space on my laptop?"
2015-10-19T12:37:12 < jadew> "- but it's a rather old laptop..."
2015-10-19T12:38:04 < jadew> oh, and I also mentioned that "you have to take into account that porn nowdays is in HD!"
2015-10-19T12:38:15 < mitrax> ahaha
2015-10-19T12:38:24 < pidpawel> :-DDD
2015-10-19T12:58:33 < bgdwiepp> jadew, just be like "it's like 3 4K JAV videos
2015-10-19T12:59:08 < jadew> that was pretty much my entire argument
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2015-10-19T13:23:49 < bgdwiepp> whats that cable you use for your cortex debug connectors dongle?
2015-10-19T13:23:53 < bgdwiepp> dongs even
2015-10-19T13:28:38 < Ecco> I didn't get your question
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2015-10-19T13:33:44 < dongs> bgdwiepp: thats what it is, cortex debug  connector
2015-10-19T13:33:52 < dongs> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2015-10-19T13:34:43 < dongs> http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=4517
2015-10-19T13:34:46 < dongs> and these individual cables
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2015-10-19T13:48:21 < bgdwiepp> cheers m8
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2015-10-19T13:52:56 < karlp> thought those were already in the zyp snips thing, but they are now at least: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2015-10-19T13:53:34 < bgdwiepp> karlp cheers
2015-10-19T13:53:48 < dongs> nice
2015-10-19T13:53:57 < karlp> hasn't been updated with peoples' collected partnumbers though, that's an old note I just added the links to
2015-10-19T14:02:49 < karlp> should probably add the
2015-10-19T14:03:04 < karlp> tag connect shit I guess?
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2015-10-19T14:17:17 < dongs> only cloners use that shit
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2015-10-19T14:35:05 < karlp> you calling zyp a cloner? ;)
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2015-10-19T14:59:47 < ReadError> hmm theres no good bench DMM ;(
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2015-10-19T14:59:58 < ReadError> they either are pretty expensive or look like crap
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2015-10-19T15:00:26 < Tectu> ReadError, there is!
2015-10-19T15:00:42 < Tectu> ReadError, get a Keysight 34461A
2015-10-19T15:00:52 < Tectu> ReadError, I love that thing. And the specs are very good for that price
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2015-10-19T15:02:16 < ReadError> well I dont need a fancy one, I just want something thats easier to keep on desk vs fluke on leg
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2015-10-19T15:03:52 < Tectu> that Keysight one does a pretty good job with that too
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2015-10-19T15:04:23 < ReadError> http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-multimeters/dm3000/dm3058E/
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2015-10-19T15:05:07 < Sync> get an old 34401a
2015-10-19T15:05:44 < Tectu> jup, the 34461A is just a 34401a with a fancy display
2015-10-19T15:05:53 < Sync> not really
2015-10-19T15:06:07 < Tectu> but 85%
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2015-10-19T15:08:14 < jpa-> we have 34401A at work and it is pretty nice
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2015-10-19T15:10:47 < Sync> they are the standard bench meter
2015-10-19T15:10:51 < Sync> I have 6 of them
2015-10-19T15:12:56 < karlp> Sync: keysight says it's a drop in replacement, what'ðs the differences you are concerned about? http://www.keysight.com/main/editorial.jspx?cc=IS&lc=eng&ckey=2330612&nid=-536902435.536880933&id=2330612
2015-10-19T15:13:12 < jpa-> karlp: maybe that there are new features also?
2015-10-19T15:13:17 < Sync> it works the same, but the hardware is different
2015-10-19T15:13:41 < ReadError> http://www.tequipment.net/Siglent/SDM3055/Benchtop-Multimeter/?v=65117
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2015-10-19T15:19:18 < karlp> stupid keysight decied I lived in iceland, so it's prices are all gone and just has links to "request a quote"
2015-10-19T15:19:36 < akaWolf> use proxy
2015-10-19T15:19:37 < akaWolf> :)
2015-10-19T15:20:23 < Sync> why is there so much icelandic hate? because you don't want to subject to their trade regulations?
2015-10-19T15:21:03 < karlp> a lot of it is just, "um, we don't know or have a distributor in your country, so.... um, we didnt' think about that case"
2015-10-19T15:22:03 < karlp> farnel et al are similar.  "what country are you in? not listed. um, ok, choose one anyway, ok, uk.  now your prices are in pounds.  choose germany, now the language switched as well as the currency"
2015-10-19T15:24:57 < bgdwiepp> karlp add this to that debug header cable link/snip http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=1188-1016-ND
2015-10-19T15:25:08 < bgdwiepp> dk sell it so if you're buying from them already
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2015-10-19T15:28:13 < karlp> bgdwiepp: done, thanks.
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2015-10-19T16:02:42 < karlp> Laurenceb: did you see these? http://www.edn-europe.com/en/sensor-integrates-leds-for-fitness-tracking-wearables.html?cmp_id=7&news_id=10007218&vID=2010#.ViTpwXXzOV4
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2015-10-19T16:21:51 < Laurenceb> interesting... maybe
2015-10-19T16:21:53 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/10/18/an-intel-atom-cpu-in-the-raspi-form-factor/
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2015-10-19T16:30:11 < Tectu> dongs, there?
2015-10-19T16:30:16 < dongs> donging
2015-10-19T16:30:33 < Tectu> dongs, I can´t get rid of the feeling that the memory manager interface of CMSIS RTOS sucks
2015-10-19T16:30:34 < scrts> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/axG45PK_700b_v2.jpg
2015-10-19T16:30:59 < scrts> I wonder if there are any MIPI CSI2-to-DSI devices?
2015-10-19T16:31:05 < scrts> or I would have to use FPGA...?
2015-10-19T16:31:36 < Tectu> dongs, why does osPoolAlloc() not allow me to tell me how many fucking elements I want
2015-10-19T16:31:58 < scrts> isn't it in the #define?
2015-10-19T16:32:23 < dongs> scrts: not one chip
2015-10-19T16:32:30 < dongs> csi->parallel then parallel->dsi
2015-10-19T16:32:53 < dongs> Tectu: is tha the RTX stuff?
2015-10-19T16:32:58 < Tectu> dongs, yes
2015-10-19T16:33:01 < scrts> shit... then fpga might be cheaper
2015-10-19T16:33:05 < dongs> try reading docs??
2015-10-19T16:33:33 < dongs> scrts: could be i suppose. but then you'd have to actually implement mipi. what are you doing?
2015-10-19T16:33:50 < scrts> ah ust general camera to display stuff
2015-10-19T16:33:51 < Tectu> dongs, I did. I just have to wrap   gfxAlloc(size_t nbrBytes);   around the CMSIS RTOS stuff for portability...
2015-10-19T16:33:56 < scrts> I still don't have display TBH
2015-10-19T16:33:58 < Tectu> dongs, in FreeRTOS I do:    #define gfxAlloc(sz) pvPortMalloc(sz)
2015-10-19T16:34:07 < jpa-> need moar wrappers
2015-10-19T16:34:11 < scrts> dongs: did you succeed with that FullHD display you showed/
2015-10-19T16:34:16 < Tectu> dongs, I ChibiOS I do:   #define gfxAlloc(sz) chHeapAlloc(0, sz)
2015-10-19T16:34:21 < Tectu> dongs, and that goes for every freaking OS
2015-10-19T16:34:37 < dongs> scrts: i will once i have time, i havent fucking touched that proj due to assburering around way too much
2015-10-19T16:34:39 < Tectu> dongs, but CMSIS RTOS does not allow me to tell how many elements I want to allocate although I created a pool struct that uses uint8_t
2015-10-19T16:34:54 < jpa-> Tectu: isn't the point of memory pools that you avoid fragmentation? so the element size *has* to be constant
2015-10-19T16:34:56 < Tectu> dongs, but useless when I can´t tell the osPoolAlloc() how many of those uint8_t I want
2015-10-19T16:35:04 < zyp> Tectu, uh, a pool isn't a heap
2015-10-19T16:35:36 < Tectu> docs:   http://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/RTX/html/group___c_m_s_i_s___r_t_o_s___pool_mgmt.html
2015-10-19T16:35:48 < Tectu> what am I missing?
2015-10-19T16:35:57 < zyp> «Define and manage fixed-size memory pools.»
2015-10-19T16:36:04 < dongs> the part wehre you create size of pool at declaration of it
2015-10-19T16:36:24 < zyp> Tectu, you want a heap, this is a pool
2015-10-19T16:36:26 < jpa-> but is there general purpose heap there?
2015-10-19T16:36:29 < zyp> those are different constructs
2015-10-19T16:37:27 < Tectu> so CMSIS RTOS only comes with pool management but not without a ´heap manager´ or how ever one should call the malloc() equivalent
2015-10-19T16:37:44 < jpa-> looks like it does not come with any dynamic memory allocator
2015-10-19T16:37:54 < jpa-> which kind of makes sense for a real RTOS
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2015-10-19T16:38:20 < dongs> yeah what kinda newbs allocate memory on embedded
2015-10-19T16:38:25 < jpa-> you can use newlib's allocator, if you use that, or some crappy custom one
2015-10-19T16:38:27 < zyp> or maybe it doesn't include a heap because libc already includes malloc()
2015-10-19T16:38:35 < Tectu> so I am supposed to allocate a chunk of memory using the CMSIS RTOS provided stuff and use my custom allocator, eg. malloc() on that pool?
2015-10-19T16:38:57 < jpa-> Tectu: memory pools there do not allocate memory from anywhere
2015-10-19T16:38:58 < zyp> uh, no
2015-10-19T16:39:13 < jpa-> Tectu: you give memory to osPoolCreate() and then osPoolAlloc() just gives it back
2015-10-19T16:39:14 < Tectu> I  might be misunderstanding the concept of pools.
2015-10-19T16:39:26 < Tectu> jpa-, sounds like what malloc() does to me
2015-10-19T16:39:46 < jpa-> sure, but why would you need a pool if you want a malloc?
2015-10-19T16:39:55 < zyp> Tectu, a pool is just an array of fixed size objects
2015-10-19T16:40:02 < Tectu> uhm why do I want a pool then
2015-10-19T16:40:09 < Tectu> ah... eg for buffers etc?
2015-10-19T16:40:10 < jpa-> if you want to allocate memory in constant time
2015-10-19T16:40:12 < zyp> because they don't fragment like a heap
2015-10-19T16:40:31 < Tectu> I thought pools are just wa way to divide the heap into chunks so it can be managed individually - for what ever reason
2015-10-19T16:40:31 < jpa-> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/group__pools.html  look chibios has them too!!1
2015-10-19T16:40:51 < jpa-> biggest benefit of pools is usually that you can allocate from interrupts
2015-10-19T16:40:53 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/os/pool.h <- even laks has them
2015-10-19T16:41:04 < Tectu> interesting
2015-10-19T16:41:10 < dongs> tectu is so newb
2015-10-19T16:41:12 < zyp> although the implementation was some weird experiment :p
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2015-10-19T16:41:47 < Tectu> so I thought I am supposed to create a pool of byte sized objects and then just use osPoolAlloc() on that for my malloc() needs :D
2015-10-19T16:42:19 < jpa-> that will work if you don't need the bytes to be next to each other, and accept 800% overhead
2015-10-19T16:43:02 < Tectu> so big no-no then
2015-10-19T16:43:27 < Tectu> so pooling is just malloc´ing where one has always the same size of objects
2015-10-19T16:43:31 < trepidacious> If I'm using GPIO driven from DMA, I assume I can mask the GPIO I'm using so I don't have to drive 32 pins at once?
2015-10-19T16:43:47 < jpa-> Tectu: kind of, though the implementation is a lot more efficient
2015-10-19T16:44:03 < zyp> trepidacious, do DMA to BSRR instead of ODR
2015-10-19T16:44:05 < trepidacious> I was wondering whether it would be feasible to do a multi-channel I2C interface that way
2015-10-19T16:44:13 < Tectu> jpa-, how comes? Because it knows that there is always enough room for one element at the end of another one?
2015-10-19T16:44:17 < jpa-> trepidacious: you can do DMA to gpio set/reset register
2015-10-19T16:44:32 < trepidacious> zyp, jpa- Ah yup cool :)
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2015-10-19T16:44:54 < jpa-> Tectu: no, because it knows that if there is a space, the space is correct size
2015-10-19T16:45:07 < jpa-> Tectu: normal malloc has to while() loop until it finds a properly sized space
2015-10-19T16:45:11 < Tectu> I see
2015-10-19T16:45:38 < trepidacious> so I could do up to 16 pins setting/resetting with a 32 bit data stream
2015-10-19T16:45:40 < Tectu> jpa-, zyp, thank you for your help!
2015-10-19T16:45:45 < jpa-> if you look at zyp's alloc() above, it has no loops :)
2015-10-19T16:46:05 < zyp> trepidacious, the trick is BSRR = ((~value & mask) << 16) | (value & mask);
2015-10-19T16:46:15 < trepidacious> zyp: Cool
2015-10-19T16:46:42 < trepidacious> I guess the tricky bit will be ack/nack :(
2015-10-19T16:46:49 < jpa-> trepidacious: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/0d60198772ccb3a9d34b5bed492ddd8f4d3aacb7/Runtime/fpga.c    this does dual-buffered DMA to bitbang spi
2015-10-19T16:46:56 < trepidacious> jpa-: Cool :)
2015-10-19T16:47:13 < jpa-> yeah, ack/nack is a bit tricky if you need to check that
2015-10-19T16:48:16 < Tectu> jpa-, I see. Because I always just get one element the next pointer always points correctly - no looping required
2015-10-19T16:48:18 < trepidacious> I think I can just ignore the ack from the slave and always ack what it sends, then just check after the fact whether the data looks valid
2015-10-19T16:48:20 < Laurenceb> karlp: thanks for the link
2015-10-19T16:49:32 < trepidacious> Can I get a GPIO DMA read and write going at the same time and perfectly synced?
2015-10-19T16:49:43 < zyp> no
2015-10-19T16:49:54 < trepidacious> Can't I just use the same timer to trigger and different streams to read/write
2015-10-19T16:49:56 < zyp> that's obviously impossible
2015-10-19T16:50:01 < karlp> Laurenceb: np. nice when my spam has something useful :)
2015-10-19T16:50:06 < trepidacious> zyp: Why?
2015-10-19T16:50:11 < zyp> bus contention
2015-10-19T16:50:21 < trepidacious> zyp: I2C is open drain isn't it?
2015-10-19T16:50:24 < zyp> only one master can access each bus at a time
2015-10-19T16:50:31 < zyp> I mean memory bus
2015-10-19T16:50:37 < jpa-> not perfectly synced, but you can make it synced so that read always occurs 1 cycle before write
2015-10-19T16:50:46 < trepidacious> zyp: Ah right
2015-10-19T16:50:48 < jpa-> which is good enough for this
2015-10-19T16:50:52 < trepidacious> jpa-: Ah cool
2015-10-19T16:51:11 < zyp> oh, and the memory interfaces on the DMA peripherals are shared between the streams as well
2015-10-19T16:51:13 < Laurenceb> karlp: it might even be a drop in part for some of our work projects
2015-10-19T16:51:13 < jpa-> and yeah, same timer with multiple CC channels can drive separate DMA streams
2015-10-19T16:51:18 < zyp> only one stream is served at a time
2015-10-19T16:51:22 < trepidacious> I'm guessing I'll need to do that to insert ACKs while reading from the slave
2015-10-19T16:51:34 < jpa-> why?
2015-10-19T16:51:44 < trepidacious> jpa-: Won't the slave stop sending otherwise?
2015-10-19T16:51:45 < jpa-> outputting ACKs should work the same as outputting any bits
2015-10-19T16:52:07 < jpa-> i.e. the same as outputting clock
2015-10-19T16:52:21 < jpa-> but yeah, you need read & write dma to be able to read from the slave
2015-10-19T16:52:31 < trepidacious> jpa-: Yup I wasn't even thining about clock :(
2015-10-19T16:53:21 < jpa-> i2c is slow enough that you might be happy with just normal bitbanging, though
2015-10-19T16:55:54 < trepidacious> jpa-: Yup, although I'd like it to run on a ChibiOS, and I'm not sure I can delay for less than a millisecond, I could probably just do it in an interrupt :)
2015-10-19T16:56:08 < jpa-> halPolledDelay() & similar
2015-10-19T16:56:54 < trepidacious> jpa-: Yup, I'll have to have a look, I've managed to avoid having to do that kind of wait until now
2015-10-19T16:58:06 < jpa-> if it is not time-critical, doing halPolledDelay() bitbang in a low-priority thread is probably pretty much as good as dma-based approach
2015-10-19T16:58:21 < jpa-> and much easier to code :)
2015-10-19T16:59:38 < trepidacious> jpa-: Cool, I'll have a look at that. I wasn't completely sure how it interacted with threading, I guess the delay is just interrupted by anything higher priority as you'd expect, and you end up with a fairly variable delay that's always a bit longer than you wanted?
2015-10-19T16:59:58 < jpa-> yeah, halPolledDelay() is just  while (tickcount < target);
2015-10-19T17:00:13 < jpa-> where tickcount is DWT timer i think, or something like that
2015-10-19T17:00:21 < trepidacious> jpa-: Ah cool, that does sound like a much easier solution
2015-10-19T17:00:55 < trepidacious> jpa-: Timing shouldn't be too critical, I need to read/write about 6-9 bytes to a load of I2C devices in parallel about every ms
2015-10-19T17:01:21 < jpa-> might also just use i2c multiplexer chip then?
2015-10-19T17:01:50 < jpa-> or it has to be same time for all devices, but actual time doesn't matter?
2015-10-19T17:02:39 < jpa-> though once per millisecond is already quite fast for i2c; 9*1000*9 = 81 kHz
2015-10-19T17:02:59 < Laurenceb> yeah i2c is slow :-/
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2015-10-19T17:24:33 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0d/05/f7/0d05f720c0ace285897dc06ecacc060c.gif
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2015-10-19T17:42:31 < Laurenceb> so I need ~1A at ~6V for ~200ms
2015-10-19T17:42:48 < Laurenceb> is there any way to do this that weighs less than a gram?
2015-10-19T17:42:55 < Laurenceb> atm I'm looking at supercaps
2015-10-19T17:43:17 < Tectu> what are you up to?
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2015-10-19T17:43:37 < Laurenceb> pyrotechnics
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2015-10-19T17:48:46 < Laurenceb> pity there arent smaller lithium ion supercaps
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2015-10-19T17:59:40 < zyp> use a small lipo cell?
2015-10-19T18:00:57 < jubatus> doubt there's any lipo on the market that weighs under a gram.
2015-10-19T18:01:37 < jubatus> even a lithium primary cell thats under a gram wouldn't be able to put out 1A
2015-10-19T18:01:39 < jubatus> i think
2015-10-19T18:01:41 < karlp> Laurenceb: there's that company that makes the paper ones,
2015-10-19T18:01:46 < karlp> what the hell are they called again
2015-10-19T18:01:58 < jubatus> dessicated batteries ?
2015-10-19T18:02:03 < Laurenceb> I think they have high ESR
2015-10-19T18:02:11 < Laurenceb> zyp: lipos dont have the power density
2015-10-19T18:02:45 < zyp> lipos have better power density than supercaps
2015-10-19T18:02:51 < karlp> han on, you want an AMP?
2015-10-19T18:02:54 < Laurenceb> not at small sizes
2015-10-19T18:02:56 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-10-19T18:02:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__23309__Turnigy_nano_tech_80mAh_1S_15c_Round_Cell.html
2015-10-19T18:03:03 < Laurenceb> that would be 4 grams
2015-10-19T18:03:15 < karlp> what do you need it for?
2015-10-19T18:03:23 < Laurenceb> firing detonators
2015-10-19T18:03:27 < karlp> go chemical?
2015-10-19T18:03:36 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe
2015-10-19T18:03:46 < Laurenceb> but I need some logic and safety interlocks
2015-10-19T18:03:58 < karlp> yeah, chemical is messy chemicals :)
2015-10-19T18:04:54 < jubatus> but why does the battery have to be under a gram ?
2015-10-19T18:05:10 < jubatus> what you want is not possible. 1A from < 1gm.
2015-10-19T18:05:10 < qyx> Laurenceb: mhm, hab accumulator!
2015-10-19T18:05:17 < karlp> http://www.powerstream.com/thin-lithium-ion.htm says they can do 500mA for 3000 pulses of 100ms?
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2015-10-19T18:06:56 < Laurenceb> interesting
2015-10-19T18:07:45 < Laurenceb> atm I have a 1F 2.7V supercap
2015-10-19T18:07:48 < Laurenceb> 850mg
2015-10-19T18:07:53 < jadew> Dimensions: 30mm x 7mm
2015-10-19T18:07:59 < jpa-> the 4.7F 2.5V supercaps i had in my drawer weight 2.2 grams - if 5.5V~5.0V would be enough, then 2x1F might be lightweight enough
2015-10-19T18:07:59 < jadew> that sounds large
2015-10-19T18:08:30 < Laurenceb> but then I discovered the initiators I was going to use cant be exported to UK due to ATK screwing up their paperwork
2015-10-19T18:09:12 < Laurenceb> so I'm stuck with lame Czech stuff
2015-10-19T18:09:14 < zyp> get better at smuggling
2015-10-19T18:09:21 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-10-19T18:09:33 < Laurenceb> customs dont take kindly to people smuggling this kind of kit
2015-10-19T18:09:50 < karlp> they won't know ifyou smuggle properly...
2015-10-19T18:10:01 < Laurenceb> tho weirdly pyro stuff seems to be less regulated in UK than US
2015-10-19T18:10:16 < Laurenceb> unless it directly involves firearms
2015-10-19T18:10:21 < jpa-> how about ditching the igniter part and just exploding the lipo? ;)
2015-10-19T18:10:26 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-19T18:10:46 < zyp> listen to karlp, he's pro smuggler
2015-10-19T18:10:57 < zyp> of non-CE-marked routers
2015-10-19T18:11:01 < Laurenceb> I guess I'm screwed by the voltage requirement more than anything
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2015-10-19T18:12:13 < karlp> trying to explain my way out of CE testing results today at work as well :)
2015-10-19T18:12:37 < karlp> surely the device only needs to keep working _after_ the radiation has been removed right?
2015-10-19T18:12:51 < karlp> we don't _have_ to keep working _during_ the radiated interference do we?
2015-10-19T18:13:01 < zyp> haha, of course you do?
2015-10-19T18:13:02 < zyp> no?
2015-10-19T18:13:20 < jpa-> depends on which level of interference, but usually yeah you do need to keep working
2015-10-19T18:13:45 < jpa-> typically one would test that you don't emit more than X, and that you will keep working with X * N where N > 1
2015-10-19T18:13:57 < karlp> well, it's that "keep working" defintion that's in question.
2015-10-19T18:13:58 < jpa-> that way you will work near any ce-conforming other device
2015-10-19T18:14:17 < karlp> the device keeps working, just accuracy goes down.
2015-10-19T18:14:47 < karlp> emissions are fine, just accuracy under radiation that's being problematic
2015-10-19T18:14:58 < jpa-> hm, that's a good question
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2015-10-19T18:16:39 < karlp> yeah :) we want to be accurate too, and will be on next gen, but we'd like to get the current ones out the door with a "proper" stamp on them that at least helps us with customs smuggling...
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2015-10-19T18:33:55 < jpa-> karlp: IIRC there are atleast more lenient limits for emissions of measurement & test equipment, maybe that is true also for immunity?
2015-10-19T18:34:19 < jpa-> of course actual standards are behind paywall as that makes it so much easier to follow them
2015-10-19T18:37:33 < karlp> heh
2015-10-19T18:39:35 < Laurenceb> found a solution to my problem
2015-10-19T18:39:37 < Laurenceb> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/3425f.pdf
2015-10-19T18:39:46 < Laurenceb> boost convertor and 1F 2.7v supercap
2015-10-19T18:41:13 < jpa-> how heavy will the boost be?
2015-10-19T18:41:23 < Laurenceb> hopefully milligrams
2015-10-19T18:41:35 < jpa-> nice
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2015-10-19T18:45:20 < Laurenceb> or this  http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps61030.pdf
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2015-10-19T19:23:06 < Laurenceb> wait this is actually real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1gortW-Zs
2015-10-19T19:23:19 < Laurenceb> lulz i always thought it was a troll
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2015-10-19T20:08:08 < upgrdman_> hey
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2015-10-19T20:16:27 < jadew> what is CIS?
2015-10-19T20:17:05 < jadew> oh she explains it
2015-10-19T20:17:23 < jadew> wait, Cis gender - wtf is this?
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2015-10-19T21:10:34 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/UfmtRTL number of women per men
2015-10-19T21:24:33 < kakimir> why wales is stacked with women?
2015-10-19T21:25:35 < kakimir> some romantic tv soap? rich men living in castles?
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2015-10-19T21:33:17 < artag> probably a rural economy thing. maybe men are more mobile and leave for the cities
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2015-10-19T21:35:00 < artag> though that doesn't appear to apply to scotland
2015-10-19T21:37:05 < artag> maybe they don't like mountains. northern wales where all the mountains are is less pink
2015-10-19T21:37:29 < artag> similarly highland / lowlands of scotland
2015-10-19T21:39:31 < artag> it would be helpful if that map were qualified with actual population levels - the areas bereft of women look like they're low population too. so I guess when there's a dense / sparse population switch the women tend to move towards the dense areas more easily than the men
2015-10-19T21:41:16 < artag> I think welsh castles tend towards the border counties and the sea but the map's not detailed enough to show that
2015-10-19T21:42:26 < artag> what's that little country near russia that's purple surrounded by blue ?
2015-10-19T21:44:35 < artag> part of bulgaria
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2015-10-19T22:48:07 < upgrdman_> whats the word for global variables in c that are only "global" to the page? static globals? local globals?
2015-10-19T22:48:29 < upgrdman_> i know that sounds retarded
2015-10-19T22:50:10 < aandrew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/patch-d-reduce-smartphone-radiation#/story
2015-10-19T22:51:21 < Roklobsta> page or file or function?
2015-10-19T22:51:33 < upgrdman_> file
2015-10-19T22:51:50 < upgrdman_> variables defined outside of any function, but static so they dont pollute the global namespace
2015-10-19T22:52:48 < jadew> static globals I suppose
2015-10-19T22:53:21 < jadew> or file-scope variables perhaps?
2015-10-19T22:54:01 < Steffanx> Ill go with file-scope
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2015-10-19T22:54:19 < upgrdman_> thx
2015-10-19T22:54:20 < Roklobsta> it's just plain old static - file level only.
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2015-10-19T22:55:47 < Roklobsta> apparently static use like that is depricated in C++ for objects/variables but not fucntions.
2015-10-19T22:57:25 < jadew> didn't know about that, why?
2015-10-19T22:58:14 < Roklobsta> ask Bjarne
2015-10-19T22:58:38 < jadew> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8460191/is-namespace-static-still-deprecated-in-c11
2015-10-19T22:58:45 < jadew> looks like it was undeprecated
2015-10-19T22:59:00 < Roklobsta> probably because static is a blunt attempt at hiding that c++ does better anyway.
2015-10-19T22:59:06 < Roklobsta> that -> than
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2015-10-19T23:35:04 < kakimir> are you part of your local hacklab activity?
2015-10-19T23:35:07 < kakimir> guys
2015-10-19T23:35:24 < upgrdman_> anyone know how fast the fast ftdi spi chips are?
2015-10-19T23:35:32 < upgrdman_> or other usb/spi bridges
2015-10-19T23:36:01 < upgrdman_> need something for prototype testing, and a coworker suggested this  http://www.totalphase.com/products/cheetah-spi/
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2015-10-19T23:38:33 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: off the top of my head the *232H stuff I recall can go to 30MHz.
2015-10-19T23:39:29 < kakimir> some low mid level fpga development board would be killer
2015-10-19T23:39:50 < kakimir> in fpga professional hands
2015-10-19T23:41:46 < upgrdman_> kakimir, i have a spartan6 board right next to me, but it isn't cost effective to pay me to make a tool like this when commercial offering can be had for less than a days pay
2015-10-19T23:42:12 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-19T23:42:27 < upgrdman_> i'll have to see how easy it is to mess with the ftdi. thanks Roklobsta.
2015-10-19T23:42:50 < kakimir> you say you earn more than 335$ a day?
2015-10-19T23:43:05 < kakimir> sweet
2015-10-19T23:43:15 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-10-19T23:45:05 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: it's pretty easy, there are ftdi's closed drivers but also a good opensores one too.
2015-10-19T23:45:25 < Roklobsta> http://www.intra2net.com/en/developer/libftdi/
2015-10-19T23:46:02 < upgrdman_> bookmarked
2015-10-19T23:46:15 < kakimir> is there even any fpga based multitool?
2015-10-19T23:46:37 < upgrdman_> multitool? like oscope/log anal/etc?
2015-10-19T23:46:59 < kakimir> like bus plaster/bus pirate but 100times more dope
2015-10-19T23:47:06 < kakimir> on steroids to say
2015-10-19T23:47:43 < upgrdman_> analog discovery has 16ch 100MSps logic analyzer, and iirc it can be used to bit bang those 16 pins too
2015-10-19T23:48:00 < upgrdman_> not sure if they have anything to make it easy to generate spi/i2c/etc
2015-10-19T23:48:02 < kakimir> but doesn't have internal logic for those
2015-10-19T23:48:29 < upgrdman_> sounds like you found the next dickstater idea
2015-10-19T23:48:40 < upgrdman_> be sure to put Arduino and Ras Pi in the title
2015-10-19T23:48:49 < kakimir> nope
2015-10-19T23:49:00 < BrainDamage> then no customers
2015-10-19T23:49:59 < kakimir> if I figure some stupid idea that even has some potential I would need to know before dickstarting who is to implement it
2015-10-19T23:50:11 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: i have the C232HM cable and the http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBMPSSE.htm and the UM232H module http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Modules/DevelopmentModules.htm#UM232H
2015-10-19T23:50:24 < Roklobsta> they have both been useful for TTL RS232 and SPI jobs.
2015-10-19T23:50:26 < BrainDamage> then you don't get how crow funding works
2015-10-19T23:50:45 < BrainDamage> you don't need to be bothered with pesky details such as manifacturing, distribution, or even design
2015-10-19T23:50:53 < kakimir> yeah...
2015-10-19T23:51:00 < BrainDamage> the idea is so magic that it'll work itself out
2015-10-19T23:51:09 < kakimir> :P
2015-10-19T23:51:19 < BrainDamage> and if it doesn't, run away with the money
2015-10-19T23:51:45 < Steffanx> dont forget to hire some ex-soccer playet that didnt succeed.
2015-10-19T23:51:50 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: the flashrom (http://www.flashrom.org/Flashrom) worked well with the module when I recently tried to use SPI mode fixing a borked laptop flash.
2015-10-19T23:51:51 < Steffanx> *player
2015-10-19T23:51:55 < jadew> kakimir, I had a dickstarter for something like the bus pirate but much much better
2015-10-19T23:52:00 < jadew> nobody needs that shit
2015-10-19T23:52:12 < kakimir> yeah
2015-10-19T23:52:20 < kakimir> it would be stupid to dickstart
2015-10-19T23:52:30 < jadew> thanks
2015-10-19T23:52:32 < kakimir> jadew: tell about it
2015-10-19T23:52:40 < kakimir> *device
2015-10-19T23:52:51 < GargantuaSauce> yeah doing it wrong dude
2015-10-19T23:52:59 < GargantuaSauce> kickstarters are supposed to promise at least 50% impossible features
2015-10-19T23:53:04 < upgrdman_> Roklobsta, ok thanks. that MPSSE cable looks neat
2015-10-19T23:53:35 < kakimir> jadew: how you specsed it?
2015-10-19T23:53:41 < jadew> there's not much to tell, it does a lot of cool things, much better than even dedicated devices
2015-10-19T23:54:03 < kakimir> even better?
2015-10-19T23:54:18 < kakimir> does it have kick ass fpga?
2015-10-19T23:54:37 < jadew> no, it was ARM based
2015-10-19T23:54:57 < GargantuaSauce> atmel arm?
2015-10-19T23:55:04 < jadew> it had both
2015-10-19T23:55:07 < kakimir> you had wrong market place jadew
2015-10-19T23:55:33 < jadew> 0.2% baudrate error or less on most of the protocols
2015-10-19T23:57:27 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: avrdude and openjtag work with them too.
2015-10-19T23:58:03 < kakimir> jadew: who cares about baudrate error?
2015-10-19T23:58:22 < jadew> anyone who can't deal with 20% error+?
2015-10-19T23:58:54 < kakimir> oh
2015-10-19T23:59:01 < kakimir> are those tools so shitty?
2015-10-19T23:59:07 < jadew> yes
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2015-10-20T00:00:41 < kakimir> what was the price range?
2015-10-20T00:00:45 < upgrdman_> Roklobsta, awesome.
2015-10-20T00:00:51 < upgrdman_> i think im sold.
2015-10-20T00:01:02 < upgrdman_> AN makes it look super easy, and mpsse cable is <$30
2015-10-20T00:03:46 < jadew> kakimir, $80
2015-10-20T00:04:30 < kakimir> you have project page saved?
2015-10-20T00:04:56 < jadew> pretty sure I removed it
2015-10-20T00:05:07 < jadew> I have the specs here somewhere tho
2015-10-20T00:07:08 < kakimir> it's not the specs that matters
2015-10-20T00:07:25 < jadew> what then?
2015-10-20T00:07:31 < kakimir> marketing bullshit
2015-10-20T00:07:52 < jadew> I suppose, I'm not very good at that
2015-10-20T00:08:41 < jadew> I may give it another try but I'm not sure
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2015-10-20T01:21:39 < FrankD> anyone here use Linear Tech ADCs?
2015-10-20T01:21:52 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-10-20T01:21:53 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/LKlTRsc.jpg
2015-10-20T01:22:40 < FrankD> haha o.O
2015-10-20T01:23:15 < upgrdman_> FrankD, i've used the lt1863
2015-10-20T01:23:38 < upgrdman_> but what's your question, cause "lt adc's" is super broad
2015-10-20T01:24:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah, they have a shitton of them
2015-10-20T01:24:32 < FrankD> using an LTC2439, getting unexpected results
2015-10-20T01:24:33 < FrankD> by far
2015-10-20T01:24:54 < FrankD> bit banging SPI
2015-10-20T01:25:16 < upgrdman_> bb spi for an adc? wtf
2015-10-20T01:25:43 < FrankD> yeah its on an attiny, I couldn't get the USI SPI to work right and figured itd be faster to bit bang it
2015-10-20T01:25:46 < upgrdman_> anyway: check that your bb'ing is implemented correctly. like use a scope or analyzer with decoding.
2015-10-20T01:26:05 < upgrdman_> make sure phase and polarity are correct
2015-10-20T01:26:12 < upgrdman_> and timing.
2015-10-20T01:27:08 < FrankD> yeah, i did it according to the datasheet.. im getting really weird results, but I'm pretty sure my addressing is correct and I'm sending MSB first as per the datasheet
2015-10-20T01:27:09 < upgrdman_> i assume you have verified that the voltage at the adc pins are what you think they should be
2015-10-20T01:27:16 < FrankD> of course
2015-10-20T01:27:42 < Alexer-> "of course. ...wait, I'm reading the wrong channel!" ;)
2015-10-20T01:27:43 < upgrdman_> ok well easy way out is try another mcu with working spi to see if problem is hw or sw
2015-10-20T01:27:53 < FrankD> and COM, VREF- are both tied to ground with VREF+ tied to Vdd
2015-10-20T01:28:28 < FrankD> Vcc is much higher for testing these devices, but the reading is buffered by an opamp with a resistive divider on the output
2015-10-20T01:30:14 < FrankD> but when my DMM reads 0.445v at the ADC pin, its giving me around 0x5700 which I think translates into 1.7v, either that or 3.4v since the output is signed
2015-10-20T01:30:48 < FrankD> Even disconnecting Vcc gives me values around there on the 8 pins that are connected and are sitting at 0v
2015-10-20T01:31:09 < FrankD> the other 8 pins that are floating read close to 0 (ie 0x0022)
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2015-10-20T01:31:35 < FrankD> hard to try another MCU with TSSOP packages :P
2015-10-20T01:32:23 < FrankD> but im rather sure my BB implementation is correct, it gives 19 bit results and if you hit the clock after that it always returns high
2015-10-20T01:32:34 < FrankD> and i am doing a 24 bit transfer.. and my last 5 bits are high as they should be
2015-10-20T01:32:41 < FrankD> and the first couple bits are 00 as they should be
2015-10-20T01:34:00 < FrankD> i left the 5 bits of padding in to verify i was getting those highs instead of limiting it to 19 bit xfers
2015-10-20T01:35:06 < FrankD> i was avoiding using my pin-compatible LTC2418s which actually return the addressing along with the result because I wasn't sure if my board layout was good :P
2015-10-20T01:35:22 < FrankD> but bit/byte order looks correct
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2015-10-20T01:50:18 < FrankD> ehh i guess I could print up a TSSOP-28 breakout board real quick and hook it up to my STM32F429 disco board :P
2015-10-20T01:50:28 < FrankD> but i wouldnt have all the surrounding electronics
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2015-10-20T02:00:59 < ds2> FrankD: print?
2015-10-20T02:09:00 < FrankD> ds2, print, transfer, etch
2015-10-20T02:09:12 < FrankD> im working on looking for a laser printer to modify so i can print direct to PCB though
2015-10-20T02:09:27 < ds2> oh... thought you got one of those newer PCB printers (print copper or silver)
2015-10-20T02:09:34 < FrankD> ooh link?
2015-10-20T02:09:46 < ds2> haven't seen them?
2015-10-20T02:09:49 < FrankD> nope
2015-10-20T02:10:41 < ds2> http://www.cartesianco.com/
2015-10-20T02:10:43 < ds2> that's one of them
2015-10-20T02:10:49 < ds2> there are a few guys doing that general idea
2015-10-20T02:14:28 < FrankD> cool
2015-10-20T02:14:35 < FrankD> if it did double sided id be all over it :p
2015-10-20T02:18:25 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi4P-Bwc6g8 FrankD
2015-10-20T02:19:53 < ds2> don't see why it can't do it
2015-10-20T02:23:44 < GargantuaSauce> i think the limitation for this approach is focusing the laser
2015-10-20T02:24:11 < GargantuaSauce> divergence and minimum spot size are inversely related
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2015-10-20T02:24:26 < GargantuaSauce> and the pcb is not all in one focal plane
2015-10-20T02:24:44 < GargantuaSauce> a cartesian approach would be a lot better
2015-10-20T02:27:55 < Roklobsta> added bonus is a tan and cataracts.
2015-10-20T02:29:02 < ds2> they still can't do 0.5mm pitch stuff reliably
2015-10-20T02:29:41 < GargantuaSauce> that is 450nm, definitely no tan from that
2015-10-20T02:29:42 < Roklobsta> how does a laser printer pull it off?
2015-10-20T02:29:57 < GargantuaSauce> inefficiently. 405nm would be better
2015-10-20T02:30:15 < Roklobsta> i mean for focus
2015-10-20T02:30:22 < ds2> really need a good way to do flex protos cheap
2015-10-20T02:30:26 < GargantuaSauce> oh it has a weirdly shaped lens
2015-10-20T02:30:50 < GargantuaSauce> the problem is the lens is made for i think 1060nm?
2015-10-20T02:30:52 < Roklobsta> oh right, a lens that compensates focus  for angle.
2015-10-20T02:31:33 < Roklobsta> goddmanit why doesn't he speak english
2015-10-20T02:32:03 < GargantuaSauce> there's a bit of a writeup on their wiki iirc
2015-10-20T02:32:11 < Roklobsta> i jest.  it's fine.
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2015-10-20T02:41:42 < GargantuaSauce> but yeah i suspect just mounting a laser on a reprap or whatever could achieve better results pretty easily
2015-10-20T02:44:11 < GargantuaSauce> what would be really nifty is stealing the voice coil optics from a dvd player and replacing the diode with a violet one
2015-10-20T03:08:28 < ds2> what are you etching?
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2015-10-20T05:34:22 < upgrdman> well that was quick. got my esp8266's in the mail today.
2015-10-20T05:34:36 < upgrdman> still waiting for the OLEDs i ordered 3 weeks ago :/
2015-10-20T05:59:08 < dongs> widen that hk
2015-10-20T06:03:00 < upgrdman> dongs, you have a surface bro 3 right? do you have the cocking station for it? like it?
2015-10-20T06:04:38 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-20T06:04:40 < dongs> bought station
2015-10-20T06:04:42 < dongs> it is nice
2015-10-20T06:04:58 < dongs> ethernet is via usb3
2015-10-20T06:04:59 < dongs> oh wellz
2015-10-20T06:05:04 < dongs> but has 4K displaydong
2015-10-20T06:05:09 < dongs> and liek 2 or 3 more usb ports
2015-10-20T06:05:18 < dongs> it fits into it with keyboard still conencted
2015-10-20T06:05:27 < dongs> and apparently same docking works for bro4 also
2015-10-20T06:05:38 < dongs> tho there's a bro4-speceific dock that has 2 displayport
2015-10-20T06:17:37 < upgrdman> why is eth via usb3 bad? latency?
2015-10-20T06:18:53 < dongs> nah
2015-10-20T06:18:59 < dongs> just expected it to hang off a pcie1x lanme or somethign
2015-10-20T06:23:04 < upgrdman> this is gonna sound retarded, but are there any monitor arms that have like massive travel? i want to have a 24" monitor swing in front of me while laying on a couch. because 'murica.
2015-10-20T06:24:44 < GargantuaSauce> with or without cupholders?
2015-10-20T06:24:59 < upgrdman> either way, im not picky ;)
2015-10-20T06:25:33 < GargantuaSauce> they definitely exist, i think they are stupid expensive though'
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2015-10-20T06:28:21 < upgrdman> like hundreds or thousands?
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2015-10-20T06:30:56 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.ergostyles.com/innovative-9102-heavy-duty-long-reach-boom-arm-for-lcd/ 42" travel
2015-10-20T06:32:26 < GargantuaSauce> they're all for the healthcare market with healthcare pricing
2015-10-20T06:32:31 < upgrdman> lolwut this girl has her lcd like two feet above her desk   http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71hR22-fbeL._SL1500_.jpg
2015-10-20T06:33:03 < GargantuaSauce> also the weight ratings plummet with length of course
2015-10-20T06:33:42 < upgrdman> ya :(
2015-10-20T06:33:53 < upgrdman> stud breaker
2015-10-20T06:35:29 < upgrdman> lcd pantograph. for the lulz
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2015-10-20T07:12:27 < upgrdman> oh japan   http://i.imgur.com/7TfkS25.gifv
2015-10-20T07:37:11 < upgrdman> ?
2015-10-20T07:50:52 < upgrdman> > shite
2015-10-20T07:57:06 < Roklobsta> Hazukashi.
2015-10-20T07:57:27 < upgrdman> kashi bars are kinda interesting
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2015-10-20T08:51:16 < jadew> Hajimemastfu
2015-10-20T08:52:10 < jadew> did I get right?
2015-10-20T08:52:52 < jadew> morning
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2015-10-20T09:30:23 < jpa-> I am using ADC1 and ADC2 on STM32F407, each at 3x200kHz samplerate, 3 channels each. Two DMA streams (both on DMA2) transfer the data to separate memory buffers. Sometimes I get lost samples and the channels get missynced.
2015-10-20T09:30:55 < jpa-> but i check dma flags DMEIF and TEIF, and ADC flag ADC_SR_OVR, and none of them indicate any problems
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2015-10-20T09:56:31 < jpa-> hmm, actually seems to be more like extra sample after i have stopped the timer & dma, and restart them
2015-10-20T09:56:41 < jpa-> almost as if there is one dma request queued somewhere
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2015-10-20T10:08:13 < jpa-> ah, it was exactly that
2015-10-20T10:08:19 < jpa-> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy.st.com%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fHow%20to%20clear%20pending%20DMA%20request&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&currentviews=1188
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2015-10-20T10:08:46 < jpa-> funny hidden DMA request bit remains set until i disable and re-enable DMA on the ADC
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2015-10-20T10:46:44 < jadew> man... I don't know why you guys were bashing linkedin
2015-10-20T10:46:46 < jadew> it's awesome
2015-10-20T10:47:26 < jadew> it's suggesting so many cool job offers that fit both my skill and what I'd like to do
2015-10-20T10:58:30 < Roklobsta> shame they are in china
2015-10-20T10:58:51 < jadew> that's the thing, they're all here
2015-10-20T10:58:56 < jadew> in my city
2015-10-20T10:59:14 < jadew> Senior C++ Software Engineer @ Anritsu
2015-10-20T10:59:30 < jadew> Senior Embedded Linux Software Developer  @ Mentor Graphics
2015-10-20T10:59:50 < jadew> anyway, lots of jobs at cool companies
2015-10-20T10:59:56 < jadew> and they're all in my city
2015-10-20T11:02:53 < emeryth> just like the hot girls waiting to meet you
2015-10-20T11:02:58 < jadew> haha
2015-10-20T11:03:00 < jadew> yeah
2015-10-20T11:03:34 < PaulFertser> emeryth: I've some real mails from real recruiters via linkedin.
2015-10-20T11:03:52 < PaulFertser> jadew: where're you located?
2015-10-20T11:04:06 < jadew> PaulFertser: Bucharest, Romania
2015-10-20T11:04:40 < PaulFertser> jadew: wow, didn't know job market there is cooler than in moscow, russia. Lucky you!
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2015-10-20T11:05:15 < jadew> yeah, it seems that lots of companies came in, in the past few years
2015-10-20T11:07:11 < jadew> AD, NI, Microchip
2015-10-20T11:07:22 < jadew> everyone seems to be in here
2015-10-20T11:07:29 < jadew> actually, scratch NI, they're in a different city
2015-10-20T11:09:57 < Roklobsta> they want cheap, not good.
2015-10-20T11:10:23 < jadew> all of them?
2015-10-20T11:10:28 < emeryth> all of them
2015-10-20T11:10:37 < jadew> well, from what I hear the sallaries are getting there
2015-10-20T11:11:12 < Roklobsta> i hope so
2015-10-20T11:11:20 < Roklobsta> i think it sucks they want to pay way less
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2015-10-20T11:20:37 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-10-20T11:20:46 < dongs> why is intel dicking around with trying to support me instead of replacing SSD
2015-10-20T11:20:53 < dongs> i applied for a fucking RMA
2015-10-20T11:20:58 < dongs> not for them telling me to test my ram
2015-10-20T11:21:27 < dongs> like i dont know a fucking difference between SSD shitting itself and ram being bad
2015-10-20T11:21:51 < jadew> heh
2015-10-20T11:22:04 < PaulFertser> Have you sent them full SMART data?
2015-10-20T11:22:18 < dongs> the samrt says theres nothing fucking wrong wiht the drive
2015-10-20T11:22:33 < PaulFertser> The heck?
2015-10-20T11:22:37 < dongs> more reasons to never use intel trash
2015-10-20T11:22:51 < dongs> it has obvious read errors tho that make it drop off sata
2015-10-20T11:22:53 < PaulFertser> So the drive's going bad but smart shows nothing?!
2015-10-20T11:22:56 < dongs> and insert huge delays into boot
2015-10-20T11:22:56 < dongs> yes
2015-10-20T11:23:10 < dongs> booting without that drive connected = 15 seconds
2015-10-20T11:23:14 < dongs> booting wiht that drive connected = 15 minutes
2015-10-20T11:23:39 < dongs> its practically new, ive only written/read like 600gb from it
2015-10-20T11:23:54 < dongs> intel's shitty SSD toybox thing shows 100% for smart / 100% for health remaining
2015-10-20T11:24:53 < PaulFertser> Tried swapping cables/ports?
2015-10-20T11:25:31 < dongs> yeah, it was in usb enclosure, and i got a direct m2->sata passthrough board and hooked it up to sata directly.
2015-10-20T11:25:35 < dongs> its def fucked
2015-10-20T11:25:44 < dongs> i made an image of it couple weeks ago ignoring read errors and tehre are bad sectors.
2015-10-20T11:25:53 < dongs> so i know its fucke,d just intel doesnt
2015-10-20T11:26:18 < PaulFertser> lol
2015-10-20T11:28:21 < dongs> anyway i dont understand why RMA request has to go through support
2015-10-20T11:28:29 < dongs> i sent a disk to like maxtor? or someone many yearsa go
2015-10-20T11:28:33 < dongs> there was no questions asked
2015-10-20T11:28:43 < dongs> filled out form, got RMA, they sent me a fucking box to ship it back in
2015-10-20T11:28:46 < dongs> done
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2015-10-20T11:37:58 < dongs> It's crazy how there's no repercussions for this at all. Watching the video of a 'Zano' hovering over the sea filling someone jumping off it is clearly lies. Zano can't even hover on the spot
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2015-10-20T11:38:33 < ReadError> dongs samsung ssd are quite good
2015-10-20T11:39:08 < dongs> yes, my work is now on samsung T1
2015-10-20T11:39:19 < dongs> and I got XP941 for dekstop, just gotta find free time to swap it in and instal lstuff
2015-10-20T11:40:31 < dongs> Now, it's not an simple fulfillment to backer or pre-order. My cousin received his Zano, he tested and he found that Zano can't fly and none of the features advertise is working. Even a simple manually hold position is not work. Even a usd20 drone from China can do better than Zano!
2015-10-20T11:42:03 < dongs> Torquing Group thank you for these unbelievable project. You lied many times and lost respect from us backers. You are shipping a cheap $50 drone , fragile, which has no promises feat. What a a crap
2015-10-20T11:42:20 < dongs> Ya these guys just scammed 12k backers LOL promised to have all these features...that will never come to life!!
2015-10-20T11:42:23 < dongs> It's obvious.
2015-10-20T11:42:25 < dongs> Now it becomes an overpriced $25 dollar little drone that I could have bought from radio shack...and would be under 60 grams.
2015-10-20T11:42:44 < ReadError> dongs did probemaster send you this too: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qWZhvK65/IMG_1358.JPG ?
2015-10-20T11:42:53 < dongs> err
2015-10-20T11:42:54 < dongs> fuck off
2015-10-20T11:43:01 < dongs> nope
2015-10-20T11:43:32 < ReadError> bunch of weirdos
2015-10-20T11:43:40 < ReadError> probes are sharp as hell though
2015-10-20T11:44:01 < dongs> What a waste of my time. Asked for full refund for both of my backed and pre-order pieces of rubbish!
2015-10-20T11:44:26 < dongs> The fake campaign video looks too good. The video posted on YouTube from those who received them sucks big time. It is not any better than my Hubsan. Disappointing. Please fix whatever problem you have to meet the campaign video standards else prepared to be sued!
2015-10-20T11:44:57 < dongs> Barry Yeung 3 days ago
2015-10-20T11:44:57 < dongs> I NEVER BUY ANYTHING IN KICKSTARTER!
2015-10-20T11:44:57 < dongs> ALL OF CHEATER ..
2015-10-20T11:48:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPk7-ThFaI
2015-10-20T11:48:38 < dongs> obstacle avoidance in action
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2015-10-20T12:14:07 < dongs> 5-10 minutes flight time is totally useless for any kind of follow me sport usage (like the mountain biker and off road motorbike rider featured in the promo video) - I thought with the extended flight time battery I would get at least 20 minutes from one battery charge so enough for a couple of ski runs.
2015-10-20T12:14:12 < dongs> haha
2015-10-20T12:14:18 < dongs> Very disappointed I must say as a Kickstarter backer as it looks like we have less rights than a pre-order customer. I have my fingers crossed that they will get this project back on track so that I will not have wasted my money entirely.
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2015-10-20T12:24:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uzz3iA1ww
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2015-10-20T12:30:24 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/g/1445179706791.png
2015-10-20T12:30:27 < dongs> typical python programmer
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2015-10-20T12:31:05 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/g/1445200537108.jpg
2015-10-20T12:31:06 < dongs> loll
2015-10-20T12:32:44 < trepidacious> Can you actually get a cheap drone with a camera (even a bad one)?
2015-10-20T12:33:13 < jpa-> um?
2015-10-20T12:33:34 < dongs> trepidacious: yeah, for liek anywhere from $30-$60
2015-10-20T12:33:39 < jpa-> yeah
2015-10-20T12:33:39 < dongs> all over china
2015-10-20T12:33:53 < dongs> and they ALL fly better than zano
2015-10-20T12:34:28 < trepidacious> I guess it's been a while since I checked, I got a non-camera drone some time ago and kind of got bored with it, I should have just googled ;)
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2015-10-20T12:42:32 < jpa-> trepidacious: i got some $30 camera drone back in 2013 - it sure was crappy, but video quality is surprisingly decent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPVW9B6ylNY
2015-10-20T12:42:42 < PaulFertser> The first flight of that "Wiesel" guy looked sane for a small quad.
2015-10-20T12:48:44 < trepidacious> jpa-: Cool :)
2015-10-20T12:50:32 < PaulFertser> jpa-: what happened, lost orientation?
2015-10-20T12:51:15 < PaulFertser> Did you manage to shake it off the tree?
2015-10-20T12:52:40 < jpa-> PaulFertser: some passerby wanted to climb it down and he did :P
2015-10-20T12:52:49 < jpa-> and yeah, lost orientation
2015-10-20T12:53:02 < dongs> Published on Sep 12, 2013
2015-10-20T12:53:05 < dongs> jpa- almost did wtc
2015-10-20T12:53:17 < jpa-> dongs hid the facts
2015-10-20T12:53:25 < dongs> jpa, that quad ended up in a tree
2015-10-20T12:54:24 < PaulFertser> jpa-: so your next quad will be headless? ;)
2015-10-20T12:56:02 < jpa-> maybe ;)
2015-10-20T12:56:21 < jpa-> if i wasn't trying to shoot nice video, it wouldn't have been messing with the orientation
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2015-10-20T12:59:36 < mtbg> hi
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2015-10-20T13:00:53 < jadew> dongs, the first one is c#
2015-10-20T13:00:59 < jadew> ah, scroll got me
2015-10-20T13:03:51 < dongs> shrug
2015-10-20T13:03:58 < dongs> the language isnt the problem
2015-10-20T13:04:00 < dongs> its hte mindset
2015-10-20T13:04:13 < dongs> the kinda people who write that kinda code will generally be coding python
2015-10-20T13:04:15 < dongs> or ruby
2015-10-20T13:04:18 < dongs> or some other newfag wank
2015-10-20T13:04:32 < jadew> can't argue with that
2015-10-20T13:10:42 < Roklobsta> clearly the biggest obstacle the zano has trouble avoiding is the ground.
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2015-10-20T14:15:59 < Laurenceb> http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=18995
2015-10-20T14:17:03 < dongs> ancient info
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2015-10-20T14:27:12 < ReadError> Laurenceb
2015-10-20T14:27:18 < ReadError> did you see the cc1310 is out
2015-10-20T14:28:11 < Laurenceb> looking
2015-10-20T14:28:56 < Laurenceb> not bad
2015-10-20T14:29:10 < Laurenceb> not as good a link budget as silabs as low rates
2015-10-20T14:29:13 < Laurenceb> *at
2015-10-20T14:30:30 < Laurenceb> ooh FEC and DSSS
2015-10-20T14:30:35 < Laurenceb> thats pretty hawt
2015-10-20T14:32:26 < ReadError> ya M3 too
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2015-10-20T16:35:27 < Ecco> Guys, how can I set the distance between a polygon fill and existing tracks in Altium?
2015-10-20T16:37:44 < ReadError> change clearance rule and repour?
2015-10-20T16:39:10 < Ecco> hmm, ok, that would make sense
2015-10-20T16:39:19 < Ecco> So by default it uses the default clearance rule?
2015-10-20T16:39:30 < dongs> Ecco: make a new clearance rule and include the polygon name
2015-10-20T16:39:33 < dongs> if you want it separate.
2015-10-20T16:39:41 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T16:40:02 < Ecco> Thanks for the help
2015-10-20T16:40:29 < Ecco> I have extra questions then
2015-10-20T16:40:40 < Ecco> How should I conceptually understand clearance rules?
2015-10-20T16:40:55 < dongs> for what purpose?
2015-10-20T16:41:00 < Ecco> Well, in general
2015-10-20T16:41:07 < Ecco> Should I set it to "the best my fab can handle?"
2015-10-20T16:41:15 < dongs> you set it to wahtever you want really
2015-10-20T16:41:21 < dongs> depdning on waht youre doing
2015-10-20T16:41:34 < Ecco> I'm asking all this because I set the clearance to 6 mil, and one of the boards I got from OshPark had a short
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2015-10-20T16:41:43 < Sync> that is their fault then
2015-10-20T16:41:45 < dongs> thats cuz oshpark are shitheads
2015-10-20T16:41:45 < Ecco> (betweena polygon fill and a track)
2015-10-20T16:41:59 < Ecco> Yes
2015-10-20T16:42:05 < Ecco> *but* in that specific case
2015-10-20T16:42:14 < Ecco> I really didn't need the polygon pour to be that close to the track anyway
2015-10-20T16:42:16 < dongs> were they ALL shorted?
2015-10-20T16:42:17 < ReadError> on an inner layer?
2015-10-20T16:42:23 < dongs> or just one board
2015-10-20T16:42:26 < Ecco> It was a 2 layer board
2015-10-20T16:42:31 < Ecco> and only one board had a short
2015-10-20T16:42:33 < dongs> probably someone just dropped thier hair into the etching tank
2015-10-20T16:42:37 < dongs> possibly public hair
2015-10-20T16:42:39 < dongs> er pubic
2015-10-20T16:42:41 < Ecco> public hair :-D
2015-10-20T16:42:43 < Ecco> LOL
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2015-10-20T16:43:14 < Ecco> So yeah,a ctually I have a bunch of questions regarding polygon pours
2015-10-20T16:43:18 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/m95hS.jpg
2015-10-20T16:43:24 < ReadError> thats what I do for my inners
2015-10-20T16:43:36 < Ecco> ok!
2015-10-20T16:43:46 < Ecco> Thanks for the data point :)
2015-10-20T16:44:00 < Ecco> So back on the polygon fill topic
2015-10-20T16:44:13 < Ecco> I used them to make a ground plane on both layers (top and bottom)
2015-10-20T16:44:20 < Ecco> it's indeed very convenient to route the ground
2015-10-20T16:44:46 < Ecco> but since the fill gets that close to other tracks, it makes the board prone to errors (even though, I agree, it's all the fab's fault)
2015-10-20T16:44:59 < Ecco> so my question is : are ground planes really a good idea?
2015-10-20T16:45:08 < dongs> they're a great idea.
2015-10-20T16:45:09 < Ecco> I mean, I could route the GND net using standard tracks
2015-10-20T16:45:21 < Ecco> and leave *huge* clearance between tracks
2015-10-20T16:45:29 < ReadError> Ecco maybe just do 8mil
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2015-10-20T16:45:41 < ReadError> i had a batch come with shorted nets
2015-10-20T16:45:43 < ReadError> ;/
2015-10-20T16:45:53 < Ecco> Well yeah, i'll definitely bump that clearance
2015-10-20T16:46:00 < Ecco> But whil I'm at it, I'd like to understand it all
2015-10-20T16:46:23 < Ecco> Because, by construction, ground planes are more prone to shorts than simple GND tracks
2015-10-20T16:47:25 < dongs> http://noflyzano.com/ small update
2015-10-20T16:47:47 < dongs> Ecco: i duno i make thousands of 5/5 rule boards weekly
2015-10-20T16:47:48 < dongs> zero issues.
2015-10-20T16:47:53 < dongs> shit fab is shit
2015-10-20T16:47:57 < Ecco> Yeah ok :)
2015-10-20T16:48:07 < Ecco> But why would a ground plane be better than ground tracks?
2015-10-20T16:48:20 < Ecco> (legit question, I really don't know)
2015-10-20T16:48:37 < dongs> just google it ?
2015-10-20T16:48:40 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T16:48:42 < dongs> What's the purpose of the ground plane?
2015-10-20T16:48:45 < dongs> like milion answers
2015-10-20T16:49:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-20T16:49:40 < Ecco> Altium also offer the option to pour a "grid" instead of filling the whole plane
2015-10-20T16:50:15 < Ecco> I've no idea what purpose this servers
2015-10-20T16:50:17 < Ecco> serves
2015-10-20T16:50:19 < dongs> hatched stuff?
2015-10-20T16:50:23 < ReadError> I think fabs will hate that more
2015-10-20T16:50:25 < Ecco> yeah
2015-10-20T16:50:34 < dongs> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/5139/solid-ground-plane-vs-hatched-ground-plane
2015-10-20T16:50:37 < dongs> ReadError: wrong
2015-10-20T16:50:41 < Ecco> thanks dongs!
2015-10-20T16:50:48 < scrts> I've heard that this is used for some extreme high frequency boards
2015-10-20T16:51:17 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/topic/group/electronic-engineer?gid=1952592 haha wat EE discussion on dicked-in
2015-10-20T16:54:28 < zyp> Ecco, the point of a ground plane is to provide the least impedance return path
2015-10-20T16:54:41 < Ecco> Hmm, I see
2015-10-20T16:54:55 < Ecco> Is the impedance significantly smaller thatn one of a track?
2015-10-20T16:55:14 < zyp> for DC, the impedance is just resistance, so that would be the shortest path, i.e. a straight line
2015-10-20T16:55:15 < dongs> btw, when i route a board
2015-10-20T16:55:35 < dongs> everything that has a GND pin, like  cap, or one end connected to GND, etc will get a via + trace going to it
2015-10-20T16:56:03 < Ecco> dongs: because you're using a ground layer in a multi-layer PCB?
2015-10-20T16:56:06 < dongs> then when im done routing, i make top/bottom gnd pours (if 2L) and then 99% of the time tehre will be no unconnected GND drc left
2015-10-20T16:56:09 < dongs> no
2015-10-20T16:56:10 < Ecco> (multi- as in >2)
2015-10-20T16:56:10 < zyp> but when the frequency rises, more and more of the impedance is caused by inductance, and inductance is given by the area that the circuit spans around
2015-10-20T16:56:30 < zyp> so the closer the return path can lie to the forward path, the less the impedance will be
2015-10-20T16:56:39 < dongs> Ecco: i do same doesnt matter how many layers
2015-10-20T16:56:54 < zyp> so for high frequency signals, the return path will run in the ground plane straight under the trace for the forward path
2015-10-20T16:57:06 < Ecco> zyp: ooooh
2015-10-20T16:57:07 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T16:57:15 < Ecco> That's complex, but I think I understood
2015-10-20T16:58:01 < Ecco> dongs: I haven't understood your thing :(
2015-10-20T16:58:11 < zyp> the purpose of a ground plane is thus to let the return path run directly under the forward path, to ensure the lowest possible impedance/inductance
2015-10-20T16:58:28 < Ecco> let's imagine a cap that has one pin grounded
2015-10-20T16:58:34 < Ecco> you mean you just take care of the non-ground pin
2015-10-20T16:58:36 < zyp> and by lowering the inductance, you're also lowering the electromagnetic emissions it's causing
2015-10-20T16:58:36 < Ecco> and at the very end
2015-10-20T16:58:42 < Ecco> poly-fill a ground plane
2015-10-20T16:58:50 < Ecco> and 99% of the time that fixes everything
2015-10-20T16:58:52 < Ecco> is that it?
2015-10-20T16:59:10 < zyp> how many layers are you working with?
2015-10-20T16:59:12 < Ecco> 2
2015-10-20T16:59:35 < Ecco> I understand the optimization. Is that really significant, though?
2015-10-20T16:59:59 < zyp> then you want to poly fill both sides and stitch them together with a bunch of vias in strategical places
2015-10-20T17:00:40 < Ecco> Yes, exactly what I've done
2015-10-20T17:00:47 < zyp> and avoid parallel traces on top on bottom since that would break both the top and bottom plane
2015-10-20T17:00:48 < Ecco> except, maybe the "strategical"
2015-10-20T17:00:58 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T17:01:23 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJFfnTkyj-g
2015-10-20T17:01:25 < jadew> YouTube: World&#39;s First Wireless MIDI Controller for Acoustic Guitar - ACPAD
2015-10-20T17:01:35 < Ecco> zyp: I've actually got thta board fab'ed and it seems to be working ok
2015-10-20T17:01:46 < zyp> how significant it is depends on what you're doing
2015-10-20T17:01:54 < dongs> Ecco: http://i.imgur.com/5u2xvnP.png
2015-10-20T17:01:56 < Ecco> OshPark just f*cked one board where there was a short betweel a polyfill and an actual track
2015-10-20T17:02:17 < zyp> I mean, some stuff you could run over coat hangers and still have it work
2015-10-20T17:02:25 < Ecco> I see :-)
2015-10-20T17:02:29 < Ecco> I'm probably in that category :)
2015-10-20T17:02:35 < Ecco> dongs: oh, then I haven't understood
2015-10-20T17:02:43 < Ecco> why are there vias on all your grounded pins?
2015-10-20T17:02:56 < dongs> < dongs> everything that has a GND pin, like  cap, or one end connected to GND, etc will get a via + trace going to it
2015-10-20T17:03:19 < zyp> shortest possible path to the ground plane
2015-10-20T17:03:23 < dongs> ^
2015-10-20T17:03:30  * Ecco is lost
2015-10-20T17:03:43 < Ecco> ok, I thought the ground "plane" was a polygon pour on the same layer
2015-10-20T17:03:59 < gxti> polygon pours are full of holes and cuts
2015-10-20T17:03:59 < Ecco> (that's what I am doing anyway, maybe not a good idea)
2015-10-20T17:04:00 < zyp> nah, that's just the poor man's version
2015-10-20T17:04:07 < Ecco> yeah ok
2015-10-20T17:04:20 < Ecco> so dongs, your're using a whole layer specifically for ground, right?
2015-10-20T17:04:23 < zyp> if you're doing 4L or more, you've got layers to dedicate to planes
2015-10-20T17:04:27 < Ecco> Ok, I see where the misunderstanding came from
2015-10-20T17:04:33 < Ecco> I'm doing a 2 layer board
2015-10-20T17:04:39 < Ecco> but I have stuff soldered on both sides
2015-10-20T17:04:47 < Ecco> so I cannot use the second layer as a ground plane
2015-10-20T17:05:00 < dongs> er, yes you can?
2015-10-20T17:05:14 < Ecco> ok you're right
2015-10-20T17:05:16 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T17:05:30 < dongs> i need to get that board dicknplaced
2015-10-20T17:05:45 < dongs> been sitting here for a while
2015-10-20T17:05:48 < Ecco> but then, if I have a polygon pour for the GND net on each layer
2015-10-20T17:05:55 < dongs> then I couldnt find zyp's F429s and had to order F407s
2015-10-20T17:06:02 < Ecco> why bother with vias for individual GND pins?
2015-10-20T17:06:14 < dongs> because its stlil shortest path to nearest gnd
2015-10-20T17:06:19 < dongs> also it looks NEAT
2015-10-20T17:06:26 < dongs> if your board looks like shit, it works like shit too
2015-10-20T17:06:35 < dongs> big science here.
2015-10-20T17:07:29 < Ecco> :-D
2015-10-20T17:07:43 < dongs> http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/19/starcraft-players-coach-arrested-match-fixing/ srs biz
2015-10-20T17:07:51 < Ecco> I'm sorry but I don't agree with "shortest path to GND"
2015-10-20T17:08:11 < Ecco> If there's a ground poly fill on each layer
2015-10-20T17:08:23 < dongs> with a via, you get BOTH layers connected.
2015-10-20T17:08:28 < dongs> which makes it even greater.
2015-10-20T17:08:31 < Ecco> oh
2015-10-20T17:08:33 < gxti> poly fills are not a priest's blessing "thou shalt be grounded". you need a low-inductance path anywhere a current flows through ground.
2015-10-20T17:08:33 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG <- here's how a low-complexity two-layer board looks
2015-10-20T17:09:04 < gxti> on a 2 layer board that means a lot of stitching both sides together to try to piece together something sane
2015-10-20T17:09:20 < Ecco> I understood
2015-10-20T17:09:25 < Ecco> thanks guys for taking your time
2015-10-20T17:10:01 < dongs> doesnt look liek zyp routes a trace to GND vias tho
2015-10-20T17:10:08 < zyp> for a two layer board, rule of thumb is a stitching via close to any GND pad
2015-10-20T17:10:29 < zyp> dongs, no point in routing a trace when it'll be covered by the fill anyway
2015-10-20T17:10:37 < dongs> ya but
2015-10-20T17:10:42 < zyp> but there's a via close to every GND pad
2015-10-20T17:10:48 < dongs> rite
2015-10-20T17:11:17 < Ecco> ok I got it:)
2015-10-20T17:13:19 < Ecco> thanks again :)
2015-10-20T17:13:55 < gxti> zyp: lately i've been routing GND fully before i pour. helps to think about where the current will flow and keep things short. obviously i don't waste time making it pretty.
2015-10-20T17:14:22 < gxti> and when i shelve the polys i don't get rat wires
2015-10-20T17:15:21 < zyp> gxti, just be careful you don't mess with the thermal to pad from the pour :p
2015-10-20T17:15:54 < dongs> yeah, i hate boards that have like 90" thermals
2015-10-20T17:15:56 < gxti> yes i am far too OCD about such things, could never do EE for a living
2015-10-20T17:15:59 < dongs> and then you have a trace going across diagonally
2015-10-20T17:16:06 < dongs> into the corner
2015-10-20T17:16:09 < dongs> instant rage
2015-10-20T17:16:21 < gxti> spend hours (non-consecutively) just shoving tracks around making them look nice
2015-10-20T17:16:54 < gxti> not that i'm not a Real Pro EE, because i totally am
2015-10-20T17:18:09 < gxti> hmm, new freertos now with its own tcp stack for some reason
2015-10-20T17:18:18 < dongs> lwip not leet enough
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2015-10-20T17:19:22 < gxti> oh i guess the tcp was already there but they added ssl. email is worded silly.
2015-10-20T17:19:41 < gxti> "up to 20x smaller than openssl" like that's difficult lol
2015-10-20T17:20:20 < gxti> now your insecure internet of butts devices can be protected by an insecure embedded tls library. yay.
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2015-10-20T17:21:25 < dongs> which ssl are they using
2015-10-20T17:21:27 < dongs> polarssl shit?>
2015-10-20T17:21:30 < dongs> or did they roll their own
2015-10-20T17:21:38 < gxti> "wolfssl"
2015-10-20T17:21:41 < dongs> ah
2015-10-20T17:21:42 < dongs> heard that one too
2015-10-20T17:21:46 < dongs> dont have an opinion of it tho
2015-10-20T17:22:00 < dongs> for odd bits when i needed crypto i generally just stole algos from libtomcrypt
2015-10-20T17:24:12 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbYDOzY1k8&feature=youtu.be
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2015-10-20T17:35:20 < dongs> haha i was just googling some zano crap from Q1 2015
2015-10-20T17:35:21 < dongs> Another really great feature is the mesh-network which can be set up between different Zanos; in combination with the self-flying capabilities this means that they can behave like a swarm. The leading Zano drone can control the others and you are enabled to give each drone a role. e.g the angle and position from which it films the targeted object.
2015-10-20T17:35:33 < dongs> then compare it with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uzz3iA1ww
2015-10-20T17:35:54 < chris_99> so graceful
2015-10-20T17:37:30 < mtbg> but zano is not ready yet, they only shipped it earlier because they didn't want to abuse people's patience
2015-10-20T17:37:48 < mtbg> it is still in development, and another features will be added in firmware upgrades
2015-10-20T17:38:14 < dongs> can you do face recognition on arduino???
2015-10-20T17:38:23 < dongs> you can claim you will add that in a year
2015-10-20T17:38:27 < dongs> but that doesnt mean it will happen
2015-10-20T17:39:09 < Ecco> http://i.snag.gy/m95hS.jpg
2015-10-20T17:39:16 < Ecco> What is the difference between "Fill" and "Poly"?
2015-10-20T17:39:23 < Ecco> (in the table at the bottom)
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2015-10-20T17:54:03 < gxti> fill is just a rectangle
2015-10-20T17:54:16 < Ecco> hmm
2015-10-20T17:54:20 < gxti> solid copper, no avoiding tracks or anything
2015-10-20T17:54:25 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T17:54:33 < Ecco> no I don't actually :§
2015-10-20T17:54:34 < Ecco> :(
2015-10-20T17:54:56 < gxti> try it yourself i guess
2015-10-20T17:55:48 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-20T17:56:00 < Ecco> It looks like "fill" is actually the content of a polygon pour
2015-10-20T17:56:07 < Ecco> and "poly" seems to be the border of it
2015-10-20T17:56:12 < Ecco> would that make sense?
2015-10-20T17:56:54 < gxti> no
2015-10-20T17:57:34 < gxti> are you using real altium or the free thing
2015-10-20T17:59:05 < Ecco> both
2015-10-20T17:59:10 < Ecco> (depending on where)
2015-10-20T17:59:20 < gxti> well polygonal pour and 'fill' are placed by different tools
2015-10-20T17:59:26 < Ecco> oh
2015-10-20T17:59:32 < Ecco> I understand
2015-10-20T17:59:45 < Ecco> Yes ok
2015-10-20T17:59:52 < Ecco> Actually you nearly never use fills, do you?
2015-10-20T17:59:57 < Lux> any idea why isnan() on a float set to NaN on a stm32 doesn't return true ?
2015-10-20T18:00:03 < gxti> i don't recall the last time i did, if ever
2015-10-20T18:00:06 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-20T18:00:09 < Lux> f4 series with fpu
2015-10-20T18:00:22 < Ecco> Lux: shitty isnan implementation?
2015-10-20T18:00:27 < mtbg> maybe fpu is turned off
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2015-10-20T18:00:45 < Ecco> Which libm are you using?
2015-10-20T18:01:34 < Lux> dunno, i'm just using the standard toolchain from launchpad with c++
2015-10-20T18:02:03 < Ecco> AFAIK, launchpad.net only ships a compiler, not a libc
2015-10-20T18:03:04 < zyp> putting together a digikey order, any suggestions for new fun stuff to get to fill out the free shipping quota?
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2015-10-20T18:03:44 < zyp> I need like $45 worth of items
2015-10-20T18:03:55 < Lux> pretty sure it should be in that gcc-arm package, but i'm not really good with that stuff :)
2015-10-20T18:04:22 < Lux> zyp: small new nucleos ?
2015-10-20T18:04:24 < zyp> maybe l4-disco
2015-10-20T18:05:20 < zyp> idk, nucleos seems so boring, I don't care for those
2015-10-20T18:05:52 < Ecco> zyp: STM32F7-disco?
2015-10-20T18:05:57 < zyp> already have that
2015-10-20T18:06:14 < Ecco> That's what I used to "pad" my last order :)
2015-10-20T18:06:19 < zyp> same
2015-10-20T18:06:31 < Ecco> Never had the time to play with it though
2015-10-20T18:06:35 < zyp> same
2015-10-20T18:06:40 < Ecco> I don't know, do they sell Salea Logics?
2015-10-20T18:06:49 < Ecco> Great devices, I don't know what's their price though
2015-10-20T18:06:54 < zyp> it's not just $45 and I already have one
2015-10-20T18:06:59 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-20T18:07:15 < zyp> anyway, after l4 disco it's only $25 left
2015-10-20T18:07:19 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T18:07:26 < Ecco> standalone STLInk?
2015-10-20T18:07:32 < zyp> hah, fuck that
2015-10-20T18:07:33 < Ecco> (takes less space on desk)
2015-10-20T18:07:39 < englishman> zyp: that new arduino nano sized f0 nucleo!
2015-10-20T18:07:52 < zyp> that what?
2015-10-20T18:07:58 < zyp> like just a breakout?
2015-10-20T18:08:16 < englishman> 497-15980-ND
2015-10-20T18:08:21 < englishman> well with st-dink too
2015-10-20T18:10:14 < Ecco> zyp: Depending on where you live, Farnell might be worth a try
2015-10-20T18:10:29 < zyp> I checked farnell first, they don't have the shit I actually want
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2015-10-20T18:15:20 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T18:15:34 < Ecco> Same experience so far
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2015-10-20T18:16:49 < karlp> l4 disco is cool, nice microphone demo shits
2015-10-20T18:17:17 < zyp> yeah, added that
2015-10-20T18:17:21 < zyp> but I need some more shit
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2015-10-20T18:17:31 < zyp> any suggestions?
2015-10-20T18:18:30 < zyp> hmm, actually, maybe I should just get this: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=1554-1003-ND
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2015-10-20T18:19:35 < ReadError> soldering tips?
2015-10-20T18:20:22 < zyp> oh, yeah, that reminds me I've got one that ought to be replaced
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2015-10-20T18:49:53 < Ecco> Guys, I have a weird issue in Altium
2015-10-20T18:50:09 < Ecco> It says a pad should be in a given net
2015-10-20T18:50:13 < Ecco> when clearly it shouldn't
2015-10-20T18:50:22 < Ecco> how can I see/edit what net a pad belongs to?
2015-10-20T18:51:41 < ReadError> PCB->PCB
2015-10-20T18:53:46 < Ecco> I'm sorry I don't get it :(
2015-10-20T18:54:10 < ReadError> see in the bottom right
2015-10-20T18:54:20 < ReadError> there is PCB, Instruments
2015-10-20T18:54:21 < ReadError> etc
2015-10-20T18:54:31 < Ecco> ooh
2015-10-20T18:54:33 < Ecco> excllent
2015-10-20T18:54:33 < ReadError> hit PCB, then select PCB in that list
2015-10-20T18:54:34 < Ecco> thanks!
2015-10-20T18:54:45 < Ecco> oh ok
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2015-10-20T18:56:35 < Ecco> Weird
2015-10-20T18:56:39 < Ecco> I'm making a keyboard
2015-10-20T18:56:49 < Ecco> and I've an error on a single key
2015-10-20T18:57:10 < Ecco> where both parts of the pad are assigned to the same net
2015-10-20T18:57:40 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/ndkd3qH.png
2015-10-20T18:58:04 < ReadError> shift+v over it?
2015-10-20T18:58:17 < Ecco> Yeah
2015-10-20T18:58:20 < Ecco> So what happens
2015-10-20T18:58:27 < Ecco> is that the actual *pad* is on the proper net
2015-10-20T18:58:31 < Ecco> but Altium reports a short-circuit
2015-10-20T18:58:34 < Ecco> look:
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2015-10-20T18:59:08 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/E5Ux3AK.png
2015-10-20T18:59:49 < Ecco> For some reason, Altium really want to put the arc and all the intertwined tracks on the "wrong" net
2015-10-20T18:59:53 < Ecco> (and therefore reports a short)
2015-10-20T19:00:07 < Ecco> when what I want is those tracks to be assigned to the same net as the pad
2015-10-20T19:05:35 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/LPpM06M.jpg
2015-10-20T19:06:41 < ReadError> sometimes i just delete the entire nets traces
2015-10-20T19:06:45 < ReadError> and redo it
2015-10-20T19:06:49 < ReadError> rather than searching for the stray
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2015-10-20T19:07:17 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T19:07:28 < ReadError> click 1 trace
2015-10-20T19:07:31 < ReadError> then hit tab
2015-10-20T19:07:33 < ReadError> delete
2015-10-20T19:07:40 < ReadError> and see if there are any traceturds
2015-10-20T19:07:50 < ReadError> then ctrl+z
2015-10-20T19:09:15 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T19:09:35 < Ecco> Well there isn't :(
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2015-10-20T19:17:36 < Ecco> Meh
2015-10-20T19:17:41 < Ecco> I deleted the component altogether
2015-10-20T19:17:48 < Ecco> and re-imported it from the schematics
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2015-10-20T19:29:21 < karlp> whee, visual diff of eagle files :)
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2015-10-20T19:36:14 < karlp> http://imgur.com/jrIMYRW everybody loves eagle right?
2015-10-20T19:47:27 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  http://i.imgur.com/yb81daB.png
2015-10-20T19:47:46 < Laurenceb> you made eagle look good
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2015-10-20T20:07:44 < artag> can you display that as an output of git diff ?
2015-10-20T20:08:15 < karlp> artag: sortof, you can make "git diff blah" run the command that generates it, but it makes a directory of images,
2015-10-20T20:08:43 < karlp> there's some dude who made a visual thing instead that shows the images in their own window, which might be more intuitive for running from git diff
2015-10-20T20:09:05 < artag> oh, it's an image rather than an attribute on a net ?
2015-10-20T20:09:38 < karlp> yeah, hell no am I going all the way into that sort of structured diff.
2015-10-20T20:09:55 < karlp> just dumps images of all sheets and diff stacks the images
2015-10-20T20:10:40 < artag> still a pretty good way of working out what changed though. Pity i don't use eagle.
2015-10-20T20:11:18 < karlp> yeah,  work has a license for it, people before me have it all in eagle, good enough for me.
2015-10-20T20:16:02 < kakimir> kicad
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2015-10-20T20:22:51 < kakimir> sup dongs
2015-10-20T20:29:08 < kakimir> hah taranis comes out almost the same mold than 9x
2015-10-20T20:29:28 < kakimir> little detail here and there changed mainly the display window
2015-10-20T20:29:55 < ReadError> its quite different
2015-10-20T20:29:59 < ReadError> they stole a JR case I think
2015-10-20T20:30:10 < kakimir> okay and 9x stoled it too?
2015-10-20T20:30:22 < kakimir> *turnigy
2015-10-20T20:30:48 < kakimir> still taranis is too much plastic to pay that amount for
2015-10-20T20:31:31 < ReadError> wrong
2015-10-20T20:37:01 < englishman> wat
2015-10-20T20:37:18 < englishman> go buy this then http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdId=SPM18800
2015-10-20T20:38:17 < kakimir> better build own
2015-10-20T20:38:57 < englishman> then you end up with this http://john888.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_4028s.jpg
2015-10-20T20:39:01 < englishman> that cost you $400
2015-10-20T20:39:08 < englishman> and you still dont have a $200 taranis
2015-10-20T20:41:19 < kakimir> is that transmitter?
2015-10-20T20:44:27 < kakimir> it's a fagcopter
2015-10-20T20:44:27 < englishman> its representative, of diy tx :)
2015-10-20T20:44:27 < kakimir> just make nice 3d printed mold and laminate final product of carbon fiber
2015-10-20T20:44:42 < englishman> or here http://www.os-rc.com/en/
2015-10-20T20:44:46 < kakimir> take some off the shelf sticks
2015-10-20T20:44:48 < englishman> this pollack has been scamming people for like 6 years
2015-10-20T20:44:51 < Tectu> what is the difference between   #ifdef   and   #if defined()   ?
2015-10-20T20:44:51 < englishman> and made nothing
2015-10-20T20:45:05 < kakimir> or steal  from 9x
2015-10-20T20:45:39 < kakimir> Tectu: nothing
2015-10-20T20:45:49 < kakimir> ir there?
2015-10-20T20:46:00 < Tectu> kakimir, thanks
2015-10-20T20:46:29 < kakimir> I bet it's the same
2015-10-20T20:47:13 < kakimir> nice looking radio
2015-10-20T20:56:04 < kakimir> but it's already quite old project
2015-10-20T20:56:30 < kakimir> years and years
2015-10-20T20:56:42 < kakimir> there is new requirements
2015-10-20T21:01:41 < kakimir> guys recommend movies!
2015-10-20T21:02:48 < BrainDamage> a serbian movie, i've never seen it but it's probably perfect for this channel
2015-10-20T21:02:50 < Ecco> Guys, would the number of vias have a significant impact on the price of a (ideally cheap) PCB?
2015-10-20T21:03:08 < Ecco> BrainDamage: a serbian *film*
2015-10-20T21:06:29 < kakimir> Ecco: is what quantity?
2015-10-20T21:11:07 < Ecco> kakimir: I don't know, "large" ones
2015-10-20T21:11:09 < Ecco> 10k+
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2015-10-20T21:12:10 < kakimir> maybe in that quantity things start to matter when negotiating of price
2015-10-20T21:12:23 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T21:12:35 < Ecco> What you mean is that it's probably not very significant anyway?
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2015-10-20T21:13:45 < kakimir> well how significant amount of vias we are talking about?
2015-10-20T21:13:52 < kakimir> it is machine time
2015-10-20T21:14:00 < Ecco> Few
2015-10-20T21:14:02 < Ecco> like 50 or so
2015-10-20T21:14:40 < kakimir> sounds minor
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2015-10-20T21:14:44 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T21:16:53 < kakimir> take it from me.. your pcb professional
2015-10-20T21:16:58 < Ecco> :-D
2015-10-20T21:17:39 < kakimir> I have ordered a lot of 10cmX10cm boards in quantity of 10
2015-10-20T21:18:29 < ReadError> Ecco, ya they take drillhits in account for quotes
2015-10-20T21:18:37 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-20T21:18:38 < ReadError> if you are using osh or china proto fab it wont matter tho
2015-10-20T21:18:44 < Ecco> Indeed it doesn't
2015-10-20T21:18:49 < Ecco> Which makes sense for lower series
2015-10-20T21:19:06 < Ecco> Would you have any order of magnitudes in mind regarding PCB pricing in general?
2015-10-20T21:21:31 < karlp> how long's a ball of string?
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2015-10-20T21:23:43 < Ecco> yeah ok :)
2015-10-20T21:23:59 < Ecco> Let me rephrase
2015-10-20T21:24:38 < Ecco> "In large volumes (1k+), what parameters affect the price of a PCB and to what extend?"
2015-10-20T21:25:20 < karlp> let me rephrase, don't bothe rcounting vias.
2015-10-20T21:25:33 < karlp> it's not going to be a cost saving matter
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2015-10-20T21:32:35 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-20T21:32:51 < Ecco> so then, out of curiosity, what really matters, price-wise?
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2015-10-20T21:34:50 < mtbg> material, required precision, number of layers, additional machining, finish type
2015-10-20T21:35:35 < Ecco> ok
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2015-10-20T21:36:00 < Ecco> Is there anything I could read to know more on the topic?
2015-10-20T21:36:14 < Ecco> Sure I could ask for a quote to 10s of manufacturers, but that seems highly inefficient
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2015-10-20T21:40:54 < zyp> Ecco, fabs tend to have standard specs with a given price per area
2015-10-20T21:41:34 < zyp> so if you're cheap, you just keep to those
2015-10-20T21:41:52 < zyp> if you need better precision of any sort, you need a custom quote
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2015-10-20T21:42:10 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T21:42:14 < Ecco> Makes sense
2015-10-20T21:42:22 < Ecco> But for example, how would that work for vias?
2015-10-20T21:42:43 < Ecco> (I'm repeatdly asking for vias because I really don't need anything fancy at all everywhere else)
2015-10-20T21:42:51 < zyp> fab might set a maximum number of holes drilled for standard spec
2015-10-20T21:42:55 < Ecco> ok, I see
2015-10-20T21:43:04 < zyp> I think olimex got those
2015-10-20T21:43:16 < Ecco> Like right now I'm editing most traces to bump them to 20mil width
2015-10-20T21:43:26 < Ecco> thanks
2015-10-20T21:43:43 < zyp> wat
2015-10-20T21:43:45 < zyp> 20?
2015-10-20T21:43:51 < Ecco> well
2015-10-20T21:44:00 < Ecco> I know
2015-10-20T21:44:12 < Ecco> It's huge, but for some reason OSHPark managed to fuck one board (out of 3)
2015-10-20T21:44:19 < Ecco> so better safe than sorry
2015-10-20T21:44:29 < Ecco> (and yes, this goes with a 20mil clearance rule too)
2015-10-20T21:44:38 < Ecco> I don't need everything tightly packed
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2015-10-20T21:44:45 < Ecco> except near the UFQFN48 package
2015-10-20T21:44:51 < Ecco> where, of course, tracks are thinner
2015-10-20T21:44:57 < zyp> I'm used to standard specs being 6mil trace, 6mil clearance
2015-10-20T21:45:08 < Ecco> Yeah, that's pretty much my understanding too
2015-10-20T21:45:32 < zyp> 20 just sounds silly unless you're doing some highpower bullshit
2015-10-20T21:45:37 < Ecco> No
2015-10-20T21:45:42 < Ecco> Well, here's my reasoning :
2015-10-20T21:45:54 < Ecco> the board has to be big
2015-10-20T21:45:58 < Ecco> (keypad and stuff)
2015-10-20T21:46:05 < Ecco> so I may as well use large traces
2015-10-20T21:46:13 < Ecco> since this may reduce the defect ratio
2015-10-20T21:46:27 < Ecco> does that make any sense?
2015-10-20T21:47:07 < zyp> no, you shouldn't receive any defect boards as long as you're following the design rules
2015-10-20T21:47:13 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-20T21:47:19 < Ecco> but I did :-D
2015-10-20T21:47:35 < karlp> then you complain, and they make them for you again
2015-10-20T21:47:58 < karlp> but sure, for some long term reliability, resistance to people pouring coke on them, there's no reason to use super skinny if you _can_ use bigger, sure.
2015-10-20T21:48:08 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-20T21:48:23 < Ecco> well, I know that the fab would be breaking contract
2015-10-20T21:48:30 < Ecco> but you know, if that doesn't cost me anything
2015-10-20T21:48:42 < Ecco> I'd rather avoid the trouble of arguing with them
2015-10-20T21:49:06 < zyp> I don't think I've had a single pcb-caused defect in any of these 600 boards I've had made
2015-10-20T21:49:16 < karlp> you only hear the horror stories
2015-10-20T21:49:27 < Ecco> Well
2015-10-20T21:49:36 < Ecco> I've ordered 6 boards total from OSHPark
2015-10-20T21:49:41 < Ecco> 3 I never mounted so I cant tell
2015-10-20T21:49:44 < karlp> yes yes, we know.
2015-10-20T21:49:45 < Ecco> the other 3, 1 had a defect
2015-10-20T21:49:47 < Ecco> :-D
2015-10-20T21:49:55 < karlp> so you can spend hours here trying to work out what you might maybe be able to do
2015-10-20T21:49:58 < zyp> that isn't statistically significant :)
2015-10-20T21:50:08 < Ecco> indeed :)
2015-10-20T21:50:15 < Ecco> single data point, yada yada
2015-10-20T21:50:44 < zyp> I actually did have a short on a prototype I got from dongs once
2015-10-20T21:50:51 < Ecco> ha-HA!
2015-10-20T21:51:05 < zyp> but none of the 600 production boards
2015-10-20T21:51:09 < Ecco> ok :-)
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2015-10-20T22:00:49 < aandrew> I will use 12mil or even 16mil tracks on simple boards. thicker tracks are more rugged, less to worry about when being careless
2015-10-20T22:01:32 < aandrew> short dongs, lol
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2015-10-20T22:09:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI7tWd7B3iI
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2015-10-20T22:18:34 < Ecco> What silkscreen do you guys recommend for 0603?
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2015-10-20T22:22:57 < kakimir> should it even have any?
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2015-10-20T22:24:22 < gxti> i use one line http://partiallystapled.com/~gxti/circuits/2015/05/02-twinamp_routed.png
2015-10-20T22:24:52 < Ecco> ok, thanks :)
2015-10-20T22:25:08 < Ecco> kakimir: Well, I guess silkscreen as a whole is very subjective
2015-10-20T22:25:21 < Ecco> and I guess you can do w/o any silkscreen at all
2015-10-20T22:26:35 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/nV82DJD.jpg
2015-10-20T22:29:18 < kakimir> oh now I can relate to that silkscreen thing
2015-10-20T22:30:45 < kakimir> is the shiet is tightly packed there is difficulties to place stuff without any markings
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2015-10-20T22:43:58 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/ahLGMZi << looks like good cap, noo? :D
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2015-10-20T22:55:23 < Tectu> Hey Fleck :)
2015-10-20T22:58:11 < Fleck> hey
2015-10-20T22:58:52 < Steffanx> Hi Tectu, dont forget jpa-
2015-10-20T22:59:07 < Tectu> he´s already in bed
2015-10-20T22:59:26 < Steffanx> Aj
2015-10-20T23:00:39 < englishman> kakimir: i saw danish movie 'the hunt' not long ago it was pretty good
2015-10-20T23:01:02 < ReadError> kakimir is a fin isnt he?
2015-10-20T23:01:11 < englishman> yes
2015-10-20T23:01:39 < englishman> he asked to recommend movies i assumed to pirate
2015-10-20T23:01:52 < Tectu> you mean ´buy´
2015-10-20T23:02:05 < Tectu> the hunt... that rings a bell. But I thought Steffanx doesn´t do horror
2015-10-20T23:02:14 < englishman> if you pay for usenet, i guess you could call it that
2015-10-20T23:02:20 < englishman> ah its not a horror
2015-10-20T23:02:35 < Tectu> aaah, the good old times where I paid for usenet...
2015-10-20T23:02:36 < englishman> its with mads mikkelson
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2015-10-20T23:09:23 < tkoskine> Was someone looking for swd cables/adapters earlier? Adafruit seems to have nice ones: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2743 https://www.adafruit.com/products/1675
2015-10-20T23:12:24 < Tectu> the picture of the cable doesn´t seem to be 1.27mm. But I might be wrong
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2015-10-20T23:23:32 < kakimir> I think it is
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2015-10-20T23:40:50 < ds2> does anyone offer a M0 in a SOT-23 or TSSOP-8 package?
2015-10-20T23:43:55 < Steffanx> ive never seen smaller than tssop16
2015-10-20T23:45:56 < ds2> in terms of footprint or pin count?
2015-10-20T23:47:03 < Steffanx> pin count/package
2015-10-20T23:47:27 < ds2> NXP has an 8 pin one but DIP only
2015-10-20T23:51:01 < ds2> no arm options it seems
2015-10-20T23:51:28 < ReadError> one of those qfn28's are pretty small
2015-10-20T23:55:06 < kakimir> there is small ass packages but with bga pinning?
2015-10-20T23:55:22 < kakimir> like size of.. 3 by 3?
2015-10-20T23:56:22 < ds2> don't want that dense of a pin...trying to put it on flex
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2015-10-21T00:06:05 < kakimir> I'm feeling lazy as hell
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2015-10-21T00:12:10 < kakimir> how to solder piezo discs?
2015-10-21T00:13:56 < Sync> on the silver plating
2015-10-21T00:14:27 < kakimir> guud
2015-10-21T00:14:39 < kakimir> I remember I had difficulty
2015-10-21T00:18:25 < kakimir> back then
2015-10-21T00:20:35 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b--FKHCFjOM
2015-10-21T00:23:17 < kakimir> very cool
2015-10-21T00:24:01 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161809561671 these are pretty much free
2015-10-21T00:24:06 < kakimir> ordering them
2015-10-21T00:24:51 < kakimir> I wonder how sensitive sensoring you can do with such primitive piece
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2015-10-21T00:28:40 < kakimir> nice looking gear they had during ww2 already
2015-10-21T00:29:42 < kakimir> and colored film
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2015-10-21T00:37:26 < kakimir> chicks have nailpolish, jewlery and nice hair too
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2015-10-21T01:11:03 < artag> i wonder if the guys spoke like that in real life
2015-10-21T01:11:10 < artag> harry enfield style
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2015-10-21T01:27:37 < kakimir> I just realized hobbyking spam mail is actually personalized
2015-10-21T01:28:18 < kakimir> 9x tx/rx, balsa planes, 3d planes, paints, fattie trainer
2015-10-21T01:30:01 < kakimir> they are serious about my money
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2015-10-21T01:39:57 < upgrdman_> Fleck, re: "looks like good cap" ... here a mlcc cap i destroyed: http://farrellf.com/temp/burned_mlcc_capacitor_taiyo_yuden_UMK325C7106MM-T_50V_10uF.jpg
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2015-10-21T03:36:11 < FAalbers> Hello , any idea hoe to print float values with trace_printf ? trace_printf("Test %f\n", 1.3F) gives me an empty result. It only prints "Test"
2015-10-21T03:42:10 < yan_> FAalbers: using what library?
2015-10-21T03:43:40 < FAalbers> yan_, diag/Trace.h
2015-10-21T03:44:27 < FAalbers> ARM semihosting
2015-10-21T03:44:59 < FAalbers> %d works fine on integers, but float doesn't
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2015-10-21T04:04:12 < Sync> since maybe a week
2015-10-21T04:12:22 < FAalbers> yan_, Adding the following flag worked :) ... -u _printf_float
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2015-10-21T04:30:02 < englishman> attn dongs https://i.imgur.com/RAFrPNx.jpg
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2015-10-21T05:30:44 < upgrdman> R2COM, sounds about right for paypal
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2015-10-21T05:47:10 < upgrdman> cute as usual
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2015-10-21T05:51:35 < jubatus> http://i.imgur.com/qrezucp.jpg
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2015-10-21T06:04:25 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/alqCQgT
2015-10-21T06:06:09 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/VBihUzZ
2015-10-21T06:07:44 < upgrdman> LOL
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2015-10-21T06:21:18 < upgrdman> black people...  https://imgrush.com/qiFMHc-200Df
2015-10-21T06:21:51 < upgrdman> ^ nsfw
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2015-10-21T06:23:53 < upgrdman> this girl's expression is freaking me out   http://imgur.com/cIDtSKg
2015-10-21T06:25:41 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-10-21T06:25:53 < upgrdman> no idea wtf was going on
2015-10-21T06:29:17 < upgrdman> not a chance
2015-10-21T06:29:49 < upgrdman> imagine all the diseases a girl like that has... i wouldn't even want to shake her hand let alone poke her with my dick
2015-10-21T06:44:50 < jadew> I saw something similar in a documentary about a tribe
2015-10-21T06:44:59 < jadew> minus the retarded males
2015-10-21T06:46:16 < jadew> women doing that thing and males banging them
2015-10-21T06:46:33 < jadew> (not with straws and ketchup tho)
2015-10-21T06:47:00 < upgrdman> jadew, you mean like an orgy?
2015-10-21T06:47:21 < jadew> upgrdman, sort of, but ritualized and in the street
2015-10-21T06:47:43 < jadew> everyone was participating, either by dancing, having sex or just watching
2015-10-21T06:48:14 < jadew> no, I had the same issue upgrdman has
2015-10-21T06:48:19 < upgrdman> lolol   http://i.imgur.com/GRvwvI9.gifv
2015-10-21T06:48:41 < jadew> lol
2015-10-21T06:49:29 < jadew> she's terrified
2015-10-21T07:00:20 < jadew> moar imgur pls
2015-10-21T07:00:57 < jadew> enjoy
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2015-10-21T07:17:04 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/oGV4hww.gif
2015-10-21T07:20:58 < jadew> is a new star wars coming out?
2015-10-21T07:21:11 < jadew> I see a lot of star wars related stuff
2015-10-21T07:30:51 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-21T07:31:04 < upgrdman> like epiose 37 return of the virginity or something like that
2015-10-21T07:36:04 < jadew> never been a fun of starwars
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2015-10-21T08:28:42 < Rob235> hey
2015-10-21T08:29:19 < Rob235> what advantages does IAR have over CoIDE?
2015-10-21T08:30:09 < tkoskine> ds2: Check atmel sam d9/d10/d11. They had 14 pin soic.
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2015-10-21T08:32:09 < tkoskine> Rob235: IAR works pretty much any ARM Cortex-M mcu, even with new or exotic ones. They also have nice debugging tools.
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2015-10-21T08:32:46 < tkoskine> Editor in the IAR is not that good, you probably want to edit your source code with something else and just do the building and debugging with IAR.
2015-10-21T08:35:18 < Rob235> if CoIDE works with my mcu and forgetting the debugging features, is there anything wrong it it?
2015-10-21T08:35:22 < Rob235> with it*
2015-10-21T08:35:58 < jpa-> i don't think IAR has any advantages :)
2015-10-21T08:36:17 < Rob235> good to know.  free sounds great to me :)
2015-10-21T08:36:47 < jpa-> but on the other hand, i usually like gdb more than graphical debuggers, so it is a matter of opinion
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2015-10-21T08:48:40 < ds2> tkoskine: SOIC is HUGE
2015-10-21T08:48:57 < ds2> the QFN16 is the closest package but no room to route out all 4 sides
2015-10-21T08:49:14 < ds2> trying to see what can fit in a 5mm strip
2015-10-21T08:51:17 < ds2> flex board so don't want to do 0.5mm pitch stuff either
2015-10-21T08:51:24 < dongs> sup blogs
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2015-10-21T09:17:55 < dongs> It is possible that Torquing has entered manufacturing agreements with their EMS, or other companies related to manufacture and shipping which prevents them from cancelling an orders manufacture and/or shipping, but once an item has been delivered it can be processed again.
2015-10-21T09:18:00 < dongs>  It could also have something to do with how much of a backers pledge actually went towards the construction of the Zano, vs the R&D that was done before hand.
2015-10-21T09:20:42 < Steffanx> Where does the idea a backer of a project can cancel his plegde in such late stadium come from anyway
2015-10-21T09:21:17 < jpa-> from the idiots who lost their money
2015-10-21T09:21:34 < dongs> baker of a project
2015-10-21T09:21:45 < dongs> baking weed-laced cookies
2015-10-21T09:21:48 < dongs> not thinking straight
2015-10-21T09:21:58 < jpa-> and probably also from the credit card disputes, which apparently does kind-of-work usually if you are within the 6 months
2015-10-21T09:23:06 < dongs> 6 months sailed long time ago
2015-10-21T09:23:15 < dongs> the shit was over last  december/january-ish
2015-10-21T09:23:18 < dongs> they're all fucked
2015-10-21T09:23:24 < dongs> and money is pissed away on useless shit like racks of xeons
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2015-10-21T10:24:13 < Rob235> if your i2c device has pull up resistors then you don't have to enabled the internal pull up resisters on the stm32 correct?
2015-10-21T10:25:05 < ReadError> just set to opendrain ;)
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2015-10-21T10:26:41 < Rob235> where can I learn about this stuff? I'm coming from an arduino platform where you didn't have to worry about this.
2015-10-21T10:28:26 < ReadError> oh i learned the hardway
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2015-10-21T10:31:13 < jpa-> Rob235: well, examples for whatever platform you are using (mbed, chibios, coooooos, stm32cube, etc.)
2015-10-21T10:31:25 < jpa-> if you go bare metal, you can still look at how various libraries do things
2015-10-21T10:31:30 < jubatus> Rob235: i2c is the same on arduino as it is on stm32
2015-10-21T10:31:47 < Fleck> upgrdman: nice :D
2015-10-21T10:31:51 < Rob235> i meant setting up the io pins and stuff
2015-10-21T10:32:55 < jpa-> sometimes the io pin configuration is not really documented anywhere - like having to set usb pins to analog mode for them to work (atleast on stm32L1)
2015-10-21T10:33:34 < jubatus> wtf boost is 125MB ... how does a bunch of template libraries ever grow bigger than 1MB ?
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2015-10-21T10:34:07 < Rob235> wish my stm32F407 discovery board would get here already, I want to get started!
2015-10-21T10:34:12 < jpa-> jubatus: have you ever looked at one of the headers? :)
2015-10-21T10:34:28 < jpa-> what i cannot understand is how on earth anyone ends up doing that
2015-10-21T10:35:41 < jubatus> doing what ?
2015-10-21T10:36:06 < jpa-> creating such crazy amount of template headers
2015-10-21T10:36:53 < jpa-> though c++ is a language where you need to define the same operator 10 times for each class, so i guess lots of repetitive unreadable code is the norm
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2015-10-21T11:00:26 < jpa-> http://imgur.com/gallery/9hbpn
2015-10-21T11:04:02 < ReadError> lol
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2015-10-21T11:07:21 < jpa-> can confirm 100% true
2015-10-21T11:07:31 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/NBWbPoK.png
2015-10-21T11:07:37 < ReadError> damn clive1 acting collldd
2015-10-21T11:07:49 < ReadError> trying to find these excel sheets for pinmapping someone mentioned existed
2015-10-21T11:08:40 < ReadError> fucking legend
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2015-10-21T11:38:28 < dongs> oh look imgcock is over capacity again
2015-10-21T11:38:34 < dongs> stop fucking postinv cat pics
2015-10-21T11:45:15 < mitrax> ReadError: dunno if there's one for every STM32 out there, i usually make my own from the datasheet, it takes about 20 min
2015-10-21T11:45:56 < jpa-> i usually just print the datasheet and use bright colored pens
2015-10-21T11:48:01 < dongs> or you can use the almighty timecube
2015-10-21T11:48:08 < mitrax> ReadError: like this http://download.unfiltered.net/pinmapping.png
2015-10-21T11:48:10 < dongs> i installed java in VM for i t
2015-10-21T11:54:14 < mitrax> when using a RS485 driver such as the ISL83483 is there any situation where having separate RE / DE lines might turn out useful? since RE is active low and DE active high i was planning on connecting both pins to the same line
2015-10-21T11:54:46 < dongs> is that a transceiver chip?
2015-10-21T11:55:02 < mitrax> yeah
2015-10-21T11:55:14 < dongs> i only used separate rx/tx ones and different manufacturers have idfferent enable shits, half are active high half are active low
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2015-10-21T12:03:27 < PaulFertser> "This tuning is necessary because several PHP functions are known to have memory leaks." <-- from sapi/cgi/README.FastCGI.
2015-10-21T12:04:22 < PaulFertser> So it's by design that the php fastcgi server is exiting after servicing every 500 requests. Just LOL @phpers
2015-10-21T12:04:22 < jpa-> sounds normal
2015-10-21T12:04:49 < jpa->  http://php.net/manual/en/function.uopz-overload.php   what do you think about this function? cool / not cool?
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2015-10-21T12:07:28 < PaulFertser> jpa-: not sure, if it doesn't restrict the optimisations that JIT compiler might perform for that VM, why not, might come useful for debugging purposes. Of course, that shouldn't be a generic user API, rather some special hack/debug interface.
2015-10-21T12:08:05 < mitrax> does anyone know why the fuck pins on a M12 connector are rotated by some arbitrary angle relative to the cut-out shape?
2015-10-21T12:08:36 < jpa-> what do you mean?
2015-10-21T12:08:55 < jpa-> they seem nice and aligned on most google results for M12
2015-10-21T12:09:37 < dongs> http://www.avalive.com/pimages/pimage_172009.jpg
2015-10-21T12:09:43 < dongs> i would expect them to be out-facing
2015-10-21T12:09:46 < dongs> so you could solder that shit
2015-10-21T12:09:53 < dongs> like in that pic
2015-10-21T12:10:10 < ReadError> dongs http://i.snag.gy/c3d2s.jpg
2015-10-21T12:10:29 < ReadError> looks like this korea place uses teh same type of arrow as your place
2015-10-21T12:10:54 < dongs> um bro those are standard
2015-10-21T12:10:56 < ReadError> and boxed fiducial
2015-10-21T12:11:00 < dongs> in IPC or whatever
2015-10-21T12:11:07 < mitrax> the ones for pcb mounting seem to be rotated, hold on let me find a picture
2015-10-21T12:11:11 < ReadError> ah ok
2015-10-21T12:11:18 < ReadError> trying to make sense of what all these layers are
2015-10-21T12:11:29 < ReadError> he sent me like 18 gerbers back
2015-10-21T12:11:32 < dongs> cloning is pretty hard
2015-10-21T12:11:56 < jpa-> you should probably kickstart some money to fund your cloning
2015-10-21T12:12:47 < dongs> http://s14.postimg.org/hor6frnxd/GEDC0014.jpg lol
2015-10-21T12:13:11 < ReadError> jpa- me?
2015-10-21T12:13:22 < dongs> you should clone zano
2015-10-21T12:13:28 < dongs> hey stonererror
2015-10-21T12:13:32 < dongs> zano posted those 3D cad files
2015-10-21T12:13:33 < dongs> for shells
2015-10-21T12:13:39 < dongs> can you make PCB outlines
2015-10-21T12:13:42 < dongs> that they use
2015-10-21T12:13:48 < dongs> i duno if that was included in 3D shit
2015-10-21T12:13:55 < mitrax> http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/1200840048_sd.pdf see page 2 on the left near 'D'
2015-10-21T12:14:30 < ReadError> if its just the shell stls probably not
2015-10-21T12:14:36 < dongs> aw
2015-10-21T12:14:40 < dongs> i duno i cant see that shit anyway
2015-10-21T12:14:50 < ReadError> its probably some STL shit right
2015-10-21T12:15:00 < mitrax> looks like a an old dell optiplex... the batch with the shitty nichicon caps :)
2015-10-21T12:15:01 < ReadError> which is basically a PITA to workwith
2015-10-21T12:15:11 < dongs> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rtmw9ao801izgtx/AACQ9UxFAnohG3rDE6jf4sUea?dl=0&s=so
2015-10-21T12:15:19 < dongs> zano  RAW might have something
2015-10-21T12:16:45 < mitrax> hm nevermind, they're properly positionned on that draw, wtf, it's only the phoenixcontact one that's fucked
2015-10-21T12:16:50 < mitrax> err draw/drawing
2015-10-21T12:17:28 < ReadError> dongs it does
2015-10-21T12:17:52 < dongs> oh?
2015-10-21T12:17:53 < dongs> pic pic pic
2015-10-21T12:18:14 < dongs> lets clone that shit
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2015-10-21T12:20:44 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/comments?cursor=11465590#comment-11465589 looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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2015-10-21T12:23:56 < ReadError> hmm
2015-10-21T12:24:02 < ReadError> 1sec i can get you the dxf
2015-10-21T12:24:13 < dongs> show me wat it looks like
2015-10-21T12:24:20 < dongs> raw.stp has the pcb outline?
2015-10-21T12:25:05 < Sync> lul dongs
2015-10-21T12:25:12 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/EFkbA.jpg
2015-10-21T12:25:16 < ReadError> it has other shit
2015-10-21T12:25:20 < ReadError> but i removed
2015-10-21T12:27:23 < dongs> oh very very nice
2015-10-21T12:27:29 < ReadError> done 1sec
2015-10-21T12:27:34 < dongs> ohh and led board too
2015-10-21T12:28:44 < ReadError> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25091878/ZanoPCB.dxf
2015-10-21T12:29:21 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/R2Ake.jpg
2015-10-21T12:29:29 < ReadError> its layered so can import into altium easy
2015-10-21T12:29:51 < Sync> pro haxxing
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2015-10-21T12:30:31 < dongs> proo
2015-10-21T12:31:56 < dongs> whats the units on that shit
2015-10-21T12:31:59 < dongs> mm or inch?
2015-10-21T12:32:01 < dongs> hte .dxf
2015-10-21T12:32:46 < dongs> i guess mm
2015-10-21T12:34:27 < ReadError> inch I think not sure
2015-10-21T12:34:45 < ReadError> its like 3.3" wide or so, 85mm or something
2015-10-21T12:35:20 < dongs> its liek 65mm M2M?
2015-10-21T12:35:37 < dongs> 95mm across
2015-10-21T12:35:42 < dongs> okay looks about right i guess
2015-10-21T12:35:45 < dongs> dinner time
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2015-10-21T12:57:31 < dongs> ReadError: it was inches, imported correctly
2015-10-21T12:57:38 < dongs> 1.27mm pitch on the retardo-connectors
2015-10-21T12:57:57 < ReadError> cool
2015-10-21T13:04:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ntSerVw.png cloned
2015-10-21T13:06:35 < dongs> zano
2015-10-21T13:07:34 < Lux> dongs: is it just me or is the video quality on those vids much better than the other stuff posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRgDZ5jkJI
2015-10-21T13:07:53 < karlp> kakimir: interesting crystals video thanks
2015-10-21T13:08:06 < Lux> or did you troll ?
2015-10-21T13:08:34 < dongs> Lux: thats cuz it s cheerson cx10
2015-10-21T13:08:43 < dongs> and yes its better
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2015-10-21T13:11:38 < Lux> makes sense :-)
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2015-10-21T13:11:45 < Lux> that new cx10 is pretty amaze
2015-10-21T13:12:00 < dongs> yes
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2015-10-21T13:12:45 < dongs> ReadError: that fucking bump on the side which way is "frontT"
2015-10-21T13:12:52 < dongs> the fucking thing is not even symmetrical god damn
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2015-10-21T13:16:01 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/bDIS0.jpg
2015-10-21T13:16:11 < ReadError> maybe usb?
2015-10-21T13:16:15 < dongs> looks like usb
2015-10-21T13:16:22 < dongs> fuck that design is awful
2015-10-21T13:20:11 < dongs> so teh PCB outline is from 'bottom' isnt it?
2015-10-21T13:20:13 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-21T13:20:23 < Laurenceb> failcopter
2015-10-21T13:20:29 < dongs> i think i need to flip it
2015-10-21T13:20:32 < dongs> or at least rotate 180
2015-10-21T13:21:16 < ReadError> flip
2015-10-21T13:21:20 < ReadError> since the holes
2015-10-21T13:21:30 < dongs> cutouts?
2015-10-21T13:21:33 < ReadError> idk i cant think
2015-10-21T13:21:36 < ReadError> pinheaders
2015-10-21T13:21:36 < dongs> me neither
2015-10-21T13:21:39 < dongs> that drawing is retarded
2015-10-21T13:21:44 < dongs> 3D preview
2015-10-21T13:21:47 < dongs> im trying to match .stps with altidong
2015-10-21T13:21:50 < dongs> for the bottom case + legs
2015-10-21T13:21:52 < dongs> leg matched
2015-10-21T13:21:55 < dongs> but i cant match the case at all
2015-10-21T13:22:08 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34587285
2015-10-21T13:22:50 < Laurenceb> clock boy more like cock boy
2015-10-21T13:23:19 < dongs> good riddance
2015-10-21T13:23:26 < dongs> terrorists go home
2015-10-21T13:23:31 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/Mo8Br.jpg
2015-10-21T13:24:06 < qyx> they could have invented something innovative
2015-10-21T13:24:16 < Laurenceb> lol  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Srhbutts
2015-10-21T13:24:19 < qyx> instead of IR sensors and simple ultrasonic distance meters
2015-10-21T13:24:54 < Laurenceb> someone needs to stick synthetic aperture radar on a quadcopter
2015-10-21T13:25:18 < qyx> or at least SA sonar
2015-10-21T13:25:33 < Laurenceb> hey that would be epic
2015-10-21T13:33:04 < Laurenceb> synthetic crapature, by goatsetech
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2015-10-21T13:56:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZbbUMdqaQg new real zano footage
2015-10-21T13:57:55 < karlp> mitrax: most people just connect RE/DE together, and take care in protocols not to trample each other,
2015-10-21T13:58:28 < karlp> but you can also leave them RE always enabled for instance, and listen to your own tx, and if it's not the same, you know immediately that there was as a collision
2015-10-21T14:06:32 < Laurenceb> nice collision avoidance
2015-10-21T14:06:36 < mitrax> karlp: ah, good point, thanks
2015-10-21T14:08:07 < dongs> Laurenceb: how do you expect it to avoid anythign in that space anyway
2015-10-21T14:08:07 < karlp> what protocol are you planning on using?
2015-10-21T14:08:12 < dongs> MODBUGS
2015-10-21T14:08:32 < karlp> READ_COILS
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2015-10-21T14:11:06 < mitrax> karlp: i don't know yet, it doesn't need to be standard, i want to implement a packetized protocol i.e frame header with target address and payload size, so multiple nodes can communicate with each other... i saw someone in here mentionning a way to frame data so as to have unique byte value to distinguish start of packets
2015-10-21T14:11:33 < mitrax> might have been you, qyx or zyp :) i don't remember
2015-10-21T14:13:21 < karlp> hdlc or modbus are probably sane
2015-10-21T14:15:15 < mitrax> i'll look at hdlc, i don't want something too complex too implement
2015-10-21T14:16:20 < karlp> why not modbus?! :)
2015-10-21T14:16:30 < karlp> modbus is boring and old, but it's perfectly usable
2015-10-21T14:16:30 < mitrax> i'm looking at it atm
2015-10-21T14:16:45 < karlp> and you can have custom functions if you don't like the standard stuff
2015-10-21T14:17:00 < karlp> also, modbus exists and is well understood by other tools
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2015-10-21T14:18:56 < mitrax> the problem is i can have multiple masters, from what i understand modbus has a single master right?
2015-10-21T14:19:56 < Laurenceb> sheeet
2015-10-21T14:20:03 < karlp> wellll
2015-10-21T14:20:05 < Laurenceb> how the hell do i solder to nichrome wire?
2015-10-21T14:20:16 < Tectu> is there a standardized way of testing a mutex implementation?
2015-10-21T14:20:19 < Tectu> or a recommended one
2015-10-21T14:20:26 < karlp> if you have half duplex, you're goign to need a way for them to pass the token to be the master
2015-10-21T14:20:48 < karlp> or you leave the RX enabled and do some sort of CSMA/CD stuff and backoff and just keep trying.
2015-10-21T14:20:51 < jubatu_> Laurenceb: using a spot welder
2015-10-21T14:21:00 < jubatu_> unless you want it to desolder itself while in use
2015-10-21T14:21:08 < karlp> but you can use modbus to pass a token around granting master acess or something
2015-10-21T14:21:45 < karlp> you can have multiple masters, it's just that with only one master you're guarantteed not to have collisions...
2015-10-21T14:22:22 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like i need acid flux
2015-10-21T14:22:29 < Laurenceb> something I can never find :-/
2015-10-21T14:24:21 < jubatu_> Laurenceb: got aspirin ?
2015-10-21T14:24:53 < jubatu_> if there are any musically inclined people around you they might have rosin
2015-10-21T14:25:28 < mitrax> karlp: okay, thanks, i'll probably go for that, one question though: is framing done at the modbus level or by a lower level protocol i have to implement? from what i'm reading on wikipedia it's not clear
2015-10-21T14:25:46 < jubatu_> if you're truly desperate you can use toilet cleaner as flux
2015-10-21T14:25:47 < karlp> modbus/RTU has framing
2015-10-21T14:25:50 < Laurenceb> asprin as a flux?
2015-10-21T14:25:57 < jubatu_> yup
2015-10-21T14:26:06 < karlp> not sure if wiki is useful, the modbus standard docs are pretty good actually.
2015-10-21T14:26:06 < Laurenceb> interesting
2015-10-21T14:26:13 < Laurenceb> I'll go to chemist and buy some
2015-10-21T14:26:23 < karlp> http://modbus.org/docs/Modbus_over_serial_line_V1_02.pdf
2015-10-21T14:27:07 < jubatu_> Laurenceb: dip the wire in toilet cleaner and solder it
2015-10-21T14:27:33 < jubatu_> assuming you have the acid type of cleaner and not the bleach one
2015-10-21T14:28:38 < karlp> this is why things like "toilet cleaner" are such horrible names
2015-10-21T14:30:04 < Laurenceb> ah got it
2015-10-21T14:30:10 < Laurenceb> found some plumbers flux
2015-10-21T14:30:47 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, i wish there was a law that required clearly showing the actual chemical, like medicine has to tell the active substance
2015-10-21T14:31:33 < jpa-> Laurenceb: you can also go to a craft store and buy some copper crimps that you can then solder to
2015-10-21T14:33:08 < mitrax> karp: oh i see, framing is done with the silence interval, so say i'm at 230kbps that would be (1/230400) * 3.5 = 15µs between frames, so for modbus reception i'd have to reset a counter in the UART interrupt each time i receive a byte?
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2015-10-21T14:35:01 < mitrax> karlp: thanks for pointing to that doc btw :)
2015-10-21T14:35:27 < qyx> karlp: nah, 250mA wasted
2015-10-21T14:36:14 < qyx> i tried that "listen to yourself" approach with rs495 -> unusable
2015-10-21T14:36:26 < qyx> each collision practically shorted my vreg
2015-10-21T14:36:57 < __rob2> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dlp7000.pdf
2015-10-21T14:37:00 < __rob2> can anyone make sense of the comment in the description, pattern rates of  >32000 Hz (1-bit binary) and >1900 Hz (8-bit gray)
2015-10-21T14:37:00 < mitrax> ah... at that speed that seems very cpu intensive though
2015-10-21T14:37:03 < __rob2> surely 32000/256 is 125hz, not 1900
2015-10-21T14:38:08 < jpa-> there can be some other limit behind the 32000 figure
2015-10-21T14:38:41 < __rob2> well the limit i would think is the maximum switching speed of mirrors
2015-10-21T14:39:24 < __rob2> so bit depth is created but switching them on/off for different percentages of the frame period
2015-10-21T14:39:35 < __rob2> I would have thought
2015-10-21T14:39:51 < jpa-> probably yeah
2015-10-21T14:40:34 < jpa-> unless the LVDS bus speed limits the 1-bit pattern rate
2015-10-21T14:40:36 < __rob2> which seems like it should just be a simple division of (max switching rate)/(bit depth)
2015-10-21T14:41:30 < __rob2> right, but then the same bus would be used to drive the patterns needed to get a grayscale image
2015-10-21T14:41:52 < __rob2> there must be some distinction that I am missing between 1-bit patterns and 8-bit gray patterns
2015-10-21T14:44:48 < jpa-> could be also just a question of defining the pattern rate.. even at 32000/256 Hz one would not get particularly good gray images
2015-10-21T14:46:22 < jpa-> the datasheet gives mirror switching time of 43µs, which would give only 23kHz
2015-10-21T14:47:18 < __rob2> thats at 400mhz though
2015-10-21T14:47:33 < jpa-> isn't that max?
2015-10-21T14:47:45 < __rob2> I'm assuming you can drive it faster to achieve the quoted 32,000
2015-10-21T14:48:00 < __rob2> umm, 23,32.. typo maybe :)
2015-10-21T14:48:46 < karlp> jpa-: would love laws on the labelling too :)
2015-10-21T14:49:26 < karlp> qyx: I guess you had biasing and pullups/downs on the a/B lines? I've never tried the listen to yourself approach, using modbus you just don't need to,
2015-10-21T14:49:42 < karlp> just knew it's a reason for the separate pins on _RE/DE
2015-10-21T14:49:51 < __rob2> either way though jpa, 32khz or 23khz, the division for a gray image doesn't make sense to me
2015-10-21T14:50:16 < jpa-> __rob2: not to me either, it it is plain pwm through the lvds bus
2015-10-21T14:50:37 < jpa-> __rob2: but for all that i know, it might just as well have some internal timers so that you can say "keep this mirror up for 15 µs"
2015-10-21T14:50:52 < __rob2> in fact there must be a distinction as otherwise its pointless to mention it atall. As any arbitrary depth is possible based on (max fps)*(bit depth) <= (max switching rate)
2015-10-21T14:51:06 < __rob2> I think there is a reset on the mirror array
2015-10-21T14:51:13 < __rob2> you reset and clock in the next bit plane
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2015-10-21T14:52:46 < __rob2> pretty amazing it works at all frankly. Really cool chip.
2015-10-21T14:53:32 < jpa-> mems is fun
2015-10-21T14:55:34 < __rob2> guess I'll wait for someone to answer me on their forums
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2015-10-21T14:58:58 < Cyric_> guys from software point of view there is any difference if i use RS-232 or RS-485? or is just different physical implementation (voltage levels, wiring etc) of serial UART interface?
2015-10-21T15:00:09 < Cyric_> i means will the rs 485 still appear as normal COM port?
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2015-10-21T15:01:51 < mitrax> Cyric: yes
2015-10-21T15:02:02 < jpa-> Cyric_: RS485 will need a way to enable/disable transmitter
2015-10-21T15:02:34 < jpa-> sometimes it is done with a separate signal, sometimes with automatic system like "disable transmitter 0.1 ms after last edge"
2015-10-21T15:07:50 < Cyric_> jpa: ok thansk
2015-10-21T15:08:13 < Cyric_> i will soon start to play around
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2015-10-21T15:28:57 < mitrax> is a biasing network somewhere along the line really necessary with RS485 transceiver chips?
2015-10-21T15:42:57 < Cyric_> is not my design.. so probably yes
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2015-10-21T15:43:45 < qyx> karlp: no, the problem is that a ~250mA current flows during the collision
2015-10-21T15:52:25 < dongs> funny level: pp4l
2015-10-21T15:56:02 < dongs> upgrdman: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F3RQCFW
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2015-10-21T16:21:48 < kakimir> who has recorded my laughter
2015-10-21T16:25:33 < dongs> I was happy to wait for this product. I thought it would be excellent and worth the wait. Now it seems what was promised is not what they will deliver. Many of the features advertised do not seem to be there, and some claim they couldn't possibly exist (swarming for example).
2015-10-21T16:25:40 < dongs> . I will join the long list of people who want to cancel this or just send it back. Torquing should do the right thing and refund those who want refunds... Or has all the money gone already? I think this is one of Kick Starters biggest fails and it's a real shame. This could have been great.
2015-10-21T16:27:15 < dongs> BREAKING: F-18 jet, belonging to US Air Force, crashes in Eastern England, official says
2015-10-21T16:27:18 < dongs> RIP Torquing HQ
2015-10-21T16:28:16 < artag> pro tip : read the kickstarter conditions before you give them your money
2015-10-21T16:28:39 < artag> dongs, wales is western england
2015-10-21T16:29:01 < artag> east is where I am, and it missed me
2015-10-21T16:29:08 < dongs> artag: you're supposed to just get trolled, instead of try to reason
2015-10-21T16:29:20 < artag> reasoning is trolling too
2015-10-21T16:30:42 < karlp> qyx: flows in what?
2015-10-21T16:30:51 < dongs> karlp, in the wires
2015-10-21T16:32:06 < artag> mitrax: the biasing network ensures that when no driver is enabled, the lines float to a state where the receivers don't receive noise. you can get away without it if you don't care.
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2015-10-21T16:32:32 < artag> it can also be the termination network. you can get away with that if you transmit slowly
2015-10-21T16:32:46 < artag> *without that
2015-10-21T16:33:04 < mitrax> okay, thanks
2015-10-21T16:33:26 < artag> or if you want the niceness of 485 without the hassle of multidrop, you can use rs422 - one pair of wires per signal
2015-10-21T16:33:35 < artag> but you still want termination really
2015-10-21T16:34:08 < artag> unless you're going at rs232 speeds or very short distances
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2015-10-21T16:35:24 < jubatu_> RS422 is amazing. I discovered it recently. Don't know why people still fuck around with 5V and 15V RS232 when you can get the same distances using 3.3V RS422
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2015-10-21T16:39:09 < dongs> To everyone calling for refunds, where do you think the money will be available? R&D costs, wages, hardware, inventory, KS percentage etc would have put a big hole in the amount they got on KS. I wouldn't count on any KS backers getting their money back.
2015-10-21T16:41:11 < mitrax> ouch it's 200€ a piece? fuck
2015-10-21T16:41:23 < dongs> 200gbp doorstop
2015-10-21T16:41:27 < dongs> but the box is faaaaaaaaaaaaaancy
2015-10-21T16:41:29 < dongs> LASER CUT FOAM
2015-10-21T16:41:33 < dongs> and HIGH QUALITY CARRY CASE
2015-10-21T16:41:44 < dongs> never mind that it doesnt fly and shit
2015-10-21T16:41:58 < mitrax> 330€ whaaaat
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2015-10-21T16:42:28 < mitrax> what a ripoff
2015-10-21T16:42:56 < dongs> wait till you read the specs on it
2015-10-21T16:43:22 < dongs> how it runs amazing pic32mz with firmware custom-written in ASSEMBLER
2015-10-21T16:43:31 < dongs> even including stuff like sin/cos is HAND_OPTIMIZED by this dude
2015-10-21T16:44:18 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-10-21T16:45:01 < dongs> did you hear they'er gonna do face recognition on that pic32
2015-10-21T16:45:21 < dongs> "in future OS release"
2015-10-21T16:51:31 < Laurenceb> "OS"
2015-10-21T16:52:22 < dongs> they ca ll it the ZANO OS
2015-10-21T16:52:34 < dongs> he wrote RTOS from scratch too
2015-10-21T16:52:38 < dongs> fuck existing shit
2015-10-21T16:54:59 < mitrax> dongs: am i dreaming are you suggesting he should have used an OPEN SOURCE os?
2015-10-21T16:55:15 < mitrax> dongs: what did you do to dongs?!
2015-10-21T16:55:17 < dongs> nah there's plenty of proper commercial shit for pic32
2015-10-21T16:55:20 < Laurenceb> should have used chibios
2015-10-21T16:55:22 < mitrax> :D
2015-10-21T17:00:09 < emeryth> dongOS for dic32
2015-10-21T17:04:46 < mitrax> it eludes me why some people would choose PIC32 over ARM
2015-10-21T17:05:50 < dongs> mitrax: cuz he had > 20 years of military design experience using DICK32 (since he was 13)
2015-10-21T17:06:34 < mitrax> i messed with PICs for a few years, for small project, 8 bits mcu mostly, then at some point i needed something bigger  for an application with a touchscreen, i was considering the PIC32MZ but it took FOREVER to come out... and had plenty of silicon bugs, then i looked at the alternative and saw the STM32 specs and price ...
2015-10-21T17:07:03 < mitrax> and slapped myself for not doing that earlier
2015-10-21T17:08:01 < dongs> zano employee found
2015-10-21T17:08:18 < dongs> what does pic32 have really
2015-10-21T17:08:24 < dongs> like what makes one use it
2015-10-21T17:08:30 < dongs> over fucking ANYTHING else
2015-10-21T17:08:49 < dongs> i know you dont
2015-10-21T17:08:54 < dongs> im asking the guy who fucking used them
2015-10-21T17:09:51 < dongs> mitrax: lookin at you here. whats amaze about pic
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2015-10-21T17:10:22 < artag> there was a generation of people who grew up on pics. they probably still just like them and think avrs and arms are The Enemy
2015-10-21T17:10:50 < dongs> i took pics of my dicks
2015-10-21T17:10:54 < dongs> does that count
2015-10-21T17:10:58 < dongs> yes, plural
2015-10-21T17:11:25 < artag> I used pics too, after 8051s and before something better came along.
2015-10-21T17:14:22 < mitrax> and i'm glad i don't have to use their netbean based crappy IDE anymore
2015-10-21T17:14:23 < artag> but they kicked themselves out of the game with their retarded commercial compilers
2015-10-21T17:14:34 < dongs> mitrax: mplab shit?
2015-10-21T17:14:39 < mitrax> dongs: yeah
2015-10-21T17:15:09 < artag> the arm vendors are dangerously close to that but the free stuff will probably win in the end
2015-10-21T17:15:25 < gxti> it's good to have options
2015-10-21T17:15:48 < artag> yes, though the commercial stuff would have a better chance if it were, like, better
2015-10-21T17:16:07 < mitrax> now i'm using gcc and my good old visual studio :p
2015-10-21T17:16:28 < artag> I can totally see the argument for throwing money at something to save you time
2015-10-21T17:16:28 < aandrew> < dongs> i took pics of my dicks
2015-10-21T17:16:31 < aandrew> you have more than one?
2015-10-21T17:16:46 < jubatu_> http://www.realtechtoday.com/gadgets/qualcomm-with-24-core-server-cpu/
2015-10-21T17:16:52 < artag> well, is is called dong<bold>s</bold>
2015-10-21T17:16:59 < aandrew> indeed
2015-10-21T17:17:15 < artag> *he is
2015-10-21T17:17:16 < dongs> < mitrax> now i'm using gcc and my good old visual studio :p
2015-10-21T17:17:19 < Laurenceb> dongs is sarah nyberg
2015-10-21T17:17:19 < dongs> mitrax: how does debugging work
2015-10-21T17:17:30 < dongs> visualmicro stuff?
2015-10-21T17:17:36 < aandrew> HOW IS BABBY MADE
2015-10-21T17:17:38 < Laurenceb> always taking pics of "her" dick
2015-10-21T17:18:06 < artag> whu would you use visual studio ? I was sentenced to it for 6 months and nearly tore my own throat out
2015-10-21T17:18:18 < jubatu_> aandrew: diphallia is a serious condition and you must not make fun of people for it
2015-10-21T17:18:33 < mitrax> dongs: i'm using wingdb which is a $60 plugin
2015-10-21T17:18:45 < mitrax> artag: vs2008 was good
2015-10-21T17:18:50 < dongs> mitrax: er wat
2015-10-21T17:18:54 < aandrew> diaphallia or polyphallia? because if you got 5 dicks your condoms will fit like a glove
2015-10-21T17:19:04 < mitrax> artag: haven't tried the 2010 / 2013 versions but i've heard they're slow as hell
2015-10-21T17:19:08 < aandrew> so is zano done now?
2015-10-21T17:19:09 < dongs> mitrax: i mean do  you have proper source-level debugging
2015-10-21T17:19:35 < mitrax> dongs: where i can step through the code, watch variable and such? yes
2015-10-21T17:19:36 < dongs> or is it 'drop-to-gdb-command-line-and-jerk-off'
2015-10-21T17:19:38 < artag> i think it was 2006 I used, if there was such a thing. fortunately just a hideous memory now
2015-10-21T17:19:43 < jubatu_> dude Visual Studio allowed you to change code *while* debugging back in 2004
2015-10-21T17:19:45 < aandrew> torquing was a good name... they took all your money and torqued their dicks for months with it
2015-10-21T17:20:24 < dongs> aandrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uzz3iA1ww latest zano flightvids
2015-10-21T17:20:39 < artag> doesn't any ram-based system ?  how would you write self-modifying code otherwise ?
2015-10-21T17:20:44 < jubatu_> make fun of VS for being buggy if you want to, but as far as features go, VS is decades ahead of any open source offering
2015-10-21T17:20:50 < dongs> ^
2015-10-21T17:20:53 < dongs> yeah vs2008 is great
2015-10-21T17:20:59 < dongs> not a fan of anything past that
2015-10-21T17:21:03 < artag> jubatu_: I think it's the features that make me hate it
2015-10-21T17:21:08 < mitrax> i tried eclipse ... and man was it horrible compared to VS2008
2015-10-21T17:21:13 < dongs> lol eclipse
2015-10-21T17:21:15 < dongs> fuckin aids
2015-10-21T17:21:17 < aandrew> lol dongs
2015-10-21T17:21:24 < aandrew> it flies
2015-10-21T17:21:27 < aandrew> mission accomplished
2015-10-21T17:21:38 < dongs> what was that chinaCNC that sorta worked?
2015-10-21T17:21:41 < dongs> 3040Z or something?
2015-10-21T17:21:50 < dongs> that everyone in hereh as
2015-10-21T17:21:51 < artag> Unix is the original IDE. all these gui based things are just featuritus
2015-10-21T17:22:23 < mitrax> to anyone who's familiar with VS, i'd definely recommend that wingdb plugin, it works surprisingly well
2015-10-21T17:22:36  * artag is currently trying to make something useable out of code that was written using 'virtual folders'
2015-10-21T17:22:37 < mitrax> well wingdb / openocd
2015-10-21T17:22:55 < dongs> lol openocd.
2015-10-21T17:22:58 < dongs> quickly losing interest.
2015-10-21T17:22:58 < artag> boled or roasted ?
2015-10-21T17:23:04 < artag> *boiled
2015-10-21T17:23:06 < dongs> tho i suppose it can probly just connect to jlink tools directly
2015-10-21T17:23:28 < dongs> mitrax: so what about the rest of integration?
2015-10-21T17:23:35 < dongs> gcc compiler/arm proejcts etc.
2015-10-21T17:23:40 < dongs> what handles that shit
2015-10-21T17:23:45 < dongs> or do you just use fucking makefile projects
2015-10-21T17:24:13 < aandrew> near where I live there was this dude who had a huge pyramid scheme involving getting farmers to grow pigeons for human consumption
2015-10-21T17:24:21 < aandrew> it crashed a few years ago
2015-10-21T17:24:51 < aandrew> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/magazine/the-pigeon-king-and-the-ponzi-scheme-that-shook-canada.html?_r=0
2015-10-21T17:25:09 < mitrax> dongs: the plugin has a makefile generator, there are fields that autoupdates when you add / rename / delete files, so there's like a default makefile template that you configure once and that gets updated, and then you don't have to touch it again
2015-10-21T17:25:20 < artag> dongs: I'm trying to move this eclipse wankfest back into makefiles, where it's maintainable
2015-10-21T17:25:56 < dongs> ah fugget that
2015-10-21T17:26:01 < dongs> im not touching makefiles ever
2015-10-21T17:26:06 < dongs> such non-pro garbage
2015-10-21T17:26:11 < mitrax> ahahaha
2015-10-21T17:26:18 < artag> lol
2015-10-21T17:26:26 < dongs> "maintainable"
2015-10-21T17:26:27 < gxti> makefiles are portable turds
2015-10-21T17:26:29 < dongs> still laughing
2015-10-21T17:26:38 < gxti> runs shitty everywhere
2015-10-21T17:26:53 < dongs> aandrew: that article is fucking huge wats the tl;dr
2015-10-21T17:26:57 < jubatu_> well done makefiles are very nice to use
2015-10-21T17:27:25 < aandrew> high-end racing pigeons LOL
2015-10-21T17:27:25 < artag> and those piles of poo that IDEs generate, where all your build structure is hidden in proprietary blobs, what sort of turds are they ? unportable turds ?
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2015-10-21T17:27:39 < mitrax> my makefile template is like 88 lines ...
2015-10-21T17:27:45 < dongs> artag: shit that worksr
2015-10-21T17:27:49 < mitrax> wrote it once, and voila
2015-10-21T17:27:49 < gxti> i don't use that either
2015-10-21T17:28:05  * artag wants code that you check out and make(), not have to so the gui fandangle first
2015-10-21T17:29:25 < artag> dongs: I lost half sunday to some halfwitted IDE that refused to let me see a file that was clearly in the filesystem. never again.
2015-10-21T17:29:38 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=490-5055-ND wat
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2015-10-21T17:30:48 < gxti> ?
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2015-10-21T17:33:39 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/391297479104 attn ReadError
2015-10-21T17:34:36 < ReadError> kapton more like kopton
2015-10-21T17:34:44 < gxti> crapton
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2015-10-21T17:37:08 < gxti> well at that price it's probably fake but it'll mostly work
2015-10-21T17:41:08 < mitrax> do you guys know any switching regulator that would provide both 3.3 and 5V in a single chip?
2015-10-21T17:42:27 < dongs> all the ones I know are for 5.5V -> much lower.
2015-10-21T17:42:32 < dongs> but yeah there are dual switchers.
2015-10-21T17:43:35 < dongs> wahts your max vin?
2015-10-21T17:43:47 < mitrax> ideally 30V... :/
2015-10-21T17:44:22 < dongs> nothing cheap at 30V
2015-10-21T17:44:36 < dongs> at 30V you're gonna be better off with dual cheap switchers
2015-10-21T17:45:00 < mitrax> you mean two separate ones?
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2015-10-21T17:45:04 < dongs> yea
2015-10-21T17:45:43 < dongs> tehre's dual stuff from TI that ends at 28V
2015-10-21T17:45:53 < dongs> with absolute max probly aroudn 30
2015-10-21T17:45:55 < dongs> if you wanna push it :)
2015-10-21T17:45:59 < mitrax> that would be ok
2015-10-21T17:46:10 < dongs> TPS54386PWPR expensive tho
2015-10-21T17:46:11 < mitrax> the normal input is 24V, i just want a safety margin
2015-10-21T17:46:32 < dongs> and its not a sync buck so you got dumb diode
2015-10-21T17:46:56 < mitrax> ouch, expensive indeed :)
2015-10-21T17:47:22 < dongs> thger's also 2A version of same
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2015-10-21T17:49:20 < mitrax> ok thanks :)
2015-10-21T17:50:17 < englishman> dongs: cnc3040 or 6040 there are a ton of different versions and you need lunix to use it
2015-10-21T17:50:18 < mitrax> or hm i could maybe go with one switcher for the 5V, then a cheapo 3.3V LDO, but hrm, i need up to 750mA
2015-10-21T17:50:43 < dongs> mitrax: LM1117 like a fucking pro
2015-10-21T17:50:44 < mitrax> 1.2W dissipation, that's a lot
2015-10-21T17:50:54 < dongs> zano used it
2015-10-21T17:50:57 < dongs> from 4.2V lipo
2015-10-21T17:51:00 < dongs> to power 3.3V pic32
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2015-10-21T17:51:34 < dongs> when I asked him if he was retarded, isnane, or both, he said "think of the BOM cost savings" and "but LDO will have almost same efficiency as switcher at such low voltage drops"
2015-10-21T17:52:18 < englishman> i wonder what unit cost is
2015-10-21T17:52:31 < englishman> theres a lot of modules and shit on it
2015-10-21T17:53:07 < dongs> of zano?
2015-10-21T17:53:13 < englishman> ya
2015-10-21T17:53:22 < dongs> i cba to look over shit
2015-10-21T17:53:28 < dongs> there's those hirespics in my imgur
2015-10-21T17:53:33 < dongs> i think you can see part #s on everything
2015-10-21T17:54:01 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/wQJhi
2015-10-21T17:54:39 < dongs>  not that many "modules"
2015-10-21T17:54:44 < dongs> GPS + wiffy is the only thing
2015-10-21T17:54:49 < dongs> the other big thing is a fucking speaker
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2015-10-21T17:56:01 < dongs> that switcher layout on dick32 side looks amazingly pro
2015-10-21T17:56:09 < dongs> inductor on opposite end of controller
2015-10-21T17:56:29 < dongs> wonder if any zanos on ebay yet
2015-10-21T17:56:32 < dongs> for parts or nonworking
2015-10-21T17:56:51 < dongs> noe just nick zano trash
2015-10-21T17:57:59 < dongs> theres nothing on that fucking board.
2015-10-21T17:58:36 < dongs> > 2L board with no groundplane on top
2015-10-21T18:00:20 < gxti> weefees
2015-10-21T18:01:03 < Laurenceb> http://drboli.com/2015/10/11/ask-dr-boli-264/
2015-10-21T18:01:08 < gxti> noting wrong with not having a ground pour on top
2015-10-21T18:01:27 < dongs> suyre
2015-10-21T18:01:40 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2015-10-21T18:01:50 < dongs> but does that board look like it was result of 20 years of exprience designing military hardware
2015-10-21T18:01:58 < Laurenceb> whats the top bit?
2015-10-21T18:02:12 < Laurenceb> on LEds?
2015-10-21T18:02:14 < dongs> wat bit
2015-10-21T18:02:23 < Laurenceb> top photo
2015-10-21T18:02:33 < dongs> yeah its some fucking rgb display that hangs under it
2015-10-21T18:02:36 < __rob2> switcher layout looks ok
2015-10-21T18:02:45 < Laurenceb> havent they heard of FFC
2015-10-21T18:02:47 < __rob2> inductor isn't that far away
2015-10-21T18:02:53 < gxti> dongs: i don't see anything wrong with it really
2015-10-21T18:03:11 < gxti> using pcb as frame for quad seems dumb though
2015-10-21T18:03:17 < Laurenceb> nice bare die leds
2015-10-21T18:03:35 < Laurenceb> oh wait no its just coatingf
2015-10-21T18:03:41 < dongs> nah i think its just some epoxy
2015-10-21T18:03:53 < dongs> i was peeking at digikey, thee's some 1616 RGB leds out now
2015-10-21T18:03:55 < Laurenceb> their antenna is going to be horribly detuned
2015-10-21T18:04:19 < jubatu_> why is that ?
2015-10-21T18:04:20 < Laurenceb> oh my god
2015-10-21T18:04:26 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/loIGbHK.jpg
2015-10-21T18:04:30 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2015-10-21T18:04:47 < Laurenceb> I'm amazed they get any wifi at all
2015-10-21T18:04:54 < __rob2> wonder how well pcb stands up to a bashing
2015-10-21T18:05:06 < __rob2> reckon evenutally those rotor bits will snap
2015-10-21T18:05:26 < __rob2> would have been better out of some tough plastic
2015-10-21T18:05:52 < dongs> Laurenceb: apparently one of ocmplaitns is wifi keeps cutting out all the tiem
2015-10-21T18:06:11 < Laurenceb> lol no shit
2015-10-21T18:06:23 < Laurenceb> do they understand the first bit about RF
2015-10-21T18:06:37 < dongs> no tehy're too busy making quality military products for 20 eyars
2015-10-21T18:06:54 < dongs> Laurenceb: did you spot the 2nd antenna in that pic
2015-10-21T18:06:56 < dongs> theres two of htem
2015-10-21T18:07:09 < Laurenceb> oh lol
2015-10-21T18:07:23 < Laurenceb> thats going to be even more detuned
2015-10-21T18:07:24 < dongs> ~900mhz and wifi
2015-10-21T18:07:44 < Laurenceb> massive lumps of metal and plastic right next to them
2015-10-21T18:07:55 < dongs> hm wait, they're actually using some ceramic antenna
2015-10-21T18:07:59 < dongs> for the 900mhz one too
2015-10-21T18:07:59 < Laurenceb> then PCB traces and ground plane and all sorts of shit
2015-10-21T18:08:02 < dongs> its hidden under some garbage
2015-10-21T18:08:06 < Laurenceb> xactly
2015-10-21T18:08:16 < Laurenceb> never going to work properly like that
2015-10-21T18:08:21 < dongs> but
2015-10-21T18:08:23 < dongs> they've tested
2015-10-21T18:08:24 < dongs> swarming
2015-10-21T18:08:28 < dongs> and achieved like
2015-10-21T18:08:29 < dongs> 20km long
2015-10-21T18:08:30 < dongs> zano link
2015-10-21T18:08:36 < dongs> of swarm radio bouncing from zano to zano
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2015-10-21T18:08:41 < dongs> !!! (true story)
2015-10-21T18:08:45 < Laurenceb> pro antenna
2015-10-21T18:08:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.microchipdirect.com/images/devtools/RN-42-HID-RD1.jpg
2015-10-21T18:08:46 < gxti> za"NO LINK"
2015-10-21T18:09:08 < dongs> za"NO CARRIER"
2015-10-21T18:09:43 < mitrax> za"NO REFUND"
2015-10-21T18:10:01 < dongs> good1
2015-10-21T18:11:13 < Laurenceb> wifi issues looked more like brownout to me
2015-10-21T18:11:19 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/starting-the-hitlerdidnothingwro-ng-email-service--2 found Laurenceb kickstarter
2015-10-21T18:11:22 < dongs> Laurenceb: haha, also possible
2015-10-21T18:11:28 < dongs> cuz it draws like > 100mA during  transmit
2015-10-21T18:11:33 < dongs> or > 200 i forget
2015-10-21T18:14:03 < Laurenceb> haha .ng
2015-10-21T18:14:07 < Laurenceb> aka .nig
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2015-10-21T18:20:23 < __rob2> how well do those zanos hover ?
2015-10-21T18:20:32 < __rob2> looks alright for the money
2015-10-21T18:20:54 < __rob2> cant seem to find one hovering on the spot
2015-10-21T18:21:22 < kakimir> guys I did backlight mod for 9x and it had inverted action
2015-10-21T18:21:58 < kakimir> anyone 9x users?
2015-10-21T18:22:11 < dongs> __rob2: u srs
2015-10-21T18:22:22 < dongs> __rob2: $30 chinadrone hovers better than zano
2015-10-21T18:24:39 < kakimir> how about automatic zano ban on this channel?
2015-10-21T18:24:46 < kakimir> mention it and +b
2015-10-21T18:25:02 < gxti> how about automatic kakimir ban on this channel
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2015-10-21T18:26:00 < kakimir> if this is actually zano32 then please
2015-10-21T18:26:18 < Laurenceb> b&
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2015-10-21T18:57:01 < upgrdman_> kakimir, i image your super pro irc client can filter? have it filter out lines containing "zano"
2015-10-21T18:57:26 < upgrdman_> or innovate a plugin for your irc client to do that ;)
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2015-10-21T19:03:00 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/bZcRPFL.jpg
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2015-10-21T19:15:25 < kakimir> no way upgrdman_
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2015-10-21T19:18:56 < upgrdman_> kakimir, time to start innovating! :)
2015-10-21T19:20:25 < kakimir> nope
2015-10-21T19:21:56 < upgrdman_> wtf lpc1768. spi clock prescale has to be a an even number. douche bags.
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2015-10-21T19:29:27 < Laurenceb> bags of douche
2015-10-21T19:31:27 < upgrdman_> steaming bags
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2015-10-21T19:38:33 < kakimir> sweaty balls
2015-10-21T19:38:54 < jubatus> how can you divide by an odd number ?
2015-10-21T19:39:15 < jubatus> isn't the divisor always 2^n ?
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2015-10-21T19:44:04 < kakimir> I think you need a combination of multiplier and divider
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2015-10-21T19:52:28 < Rob235> hey
2015-10-21T19:54:04 < Rob235> in this pic how come B6 and B8 are I2C1 SCL and B7 and B9 are I2C1 SDA? Is it to have two devices on the same I2C bus or an error in the diagram or something?
2015-10-21T19:54:07 < Rob235> http://www.mobilerobots.pl/web_images/stm32f4_discovery_pinout.png
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2015-10-21T20:01:12 < gxti> they're alternate functions Rob235
2015-10-21T20:01:28 < gxti> you choose in software which one gets mapped
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2015-10-21T20:02:31 < Rob235> so only one can be connected to the i2c1 bus but you can choose which? sorry, new to stm32 coming from arduino and trying to figure out how this stuff works
2015-10-21T20:03:12 < gxti> right
2015-10-21T20:03:15 < Rob235> ok thanks
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2015-10-21T23:34:12 < jadew> worms reloaded is on sale on steam
2015-10-21T23:34:15 < jadew> 3 euro
2015-10-21T23:39:12 < [7]> hm, now how would a .1" pitch right angle pin header on the bottom side of that board, right below the pcb antenna, affect the radiation pattern of that board?
2015-10-21T23:39:15 < [7]> http://www.microchipdirect.com/images/devtools/RN-42-HID-RD1.jpg
2015-10-21T23:40:16 < [7]> I have such a case on some device here, and it seems to make much less of a difference than I expected
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2015-10-21T23:42:49 < Roklobsta> jadew: if you don't want worms just cook your meat properly.
2015-10-21T23:43:20 < jadew> I like these particular worms
2015-10-21T23:43:37 < Roklobsta> jadew: since you bought your rigol way back on #avr what did you buy since?
2015-10-21T23:44:09 < jadew> Roklobsta, I have a fully equipped lab now :)
2015-10-21T23:44:14 < jadew> + some extra stuff :P
2015-10-21T23:44:28 < Roklobsta> did you ditch avr?
2015-10-21T23:44:45 < jadew> no, still use them all the time
2015-10-21T23:44:55 < Steffanx> one should never ditch the parallel port avr programer.
2015-10-21T23:45:12 < jadew> they're my goto chips if I need something simple and/or dip package
2015-10-21T23:45:34 < jadew> I still have my parallel port programmer, hopefully I'll never need it again
2015-10-21T23:45:45 < Steffanx> arduino et al?
2015-10-21T23:45:53 < jadew> no arduino
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2015-10-21T23:47:05 < Roklobsta> jadew: so do you work for $ doing embeded now or is it just still a ridiculous obsession?
2015-10-21T23:47:32 < jadew> Roklobsta, still an obsession, but it might change into something else eventually
2015-10-21T23:47:55 < Steffanx> so what does Roklobsta for a living? Kangaroo farmer?
2015-10-21T23:48:24 < Roklobsta> not far off.  i have 3 goats.
2015-10-21T23:48:38 < Steffanx> also called Gary?
2015-10-21T23:48:52 < Roklobsta> they are for sale though.
2015-10-21T23:48:56 < jadew> Roklobsta, you live on a farm?
2015-10-21T23:49:03 < jadew> oh
2015-10-21T23:49:29 < Roklobsta> no.
2015-10-21T23:49:54 < Roklobsta> surrounded by them though.
2015-10-21T23:50:01 < jadew> ah, cool
2015-10-21T23:50:03 < Roklobsta> still get 13mbit adsl2.
2015-10-21T23:50:38 < jadew> I'm trying to convince my wife to move away from the city
2015-10-21T23:54:30 < jadew> (and I wouldn't mind the slow internet connection)
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2015-10-22T00:02:50 < mitrax> jadew: you wouldn't?
2015-10-22T00:03:26 < mitrax> jadew: and how would you download HD porn? you'll get tired of the 500GB you've got
2015-10-22T00:05:13 < jadew> I'd have to back to low quality porn or have sex more
2015-10-22T00:05:21 < jadew> *to go back
2015-10-22T00:07:16 < jadew> the lower the quality, the hotter the models
2015-10-22T00:07:29 < Steffanx> or you could buy Roklobsta's goats.
2015-10-22T00:07:37 < jadew> haha
2015-10-22T00:13:28 < Roklobsta> i saw a documentary about romania a while back.  it was called "borat...."
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2015-10-22T00:31:08 < jadew> haha
2015-10-22T00:35:19 < jadew> Romania in nutshell: http://media0.wgz.ro/images/media0:4c273c5b953ff.jpg/tigani.jpg
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2015-10-22T01:13:50 < Getty> how do we set this in relation to poland: http://cyberwarzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Server-blessing-Poland.jpg ? ;)
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2015-10-22T01:20:17 < jadew> Getty, most people there are like "lol!" or "'tha fuck..."
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2015-10-22T01:44:58 < kakimir> https://www.varusteleka.fi/fi/product/sarma-merinohuppari-musta/30651 129eur premium  hoodie-jacket.. I think I want it
2015-10-22T01:48:10 < Steffanx> Better find yourself a vuode instead
2015-10-22T01:48:49 < kakimir> you mean a sänky?
2015-10-22T01:49:33 < Steffanx> Whats the difference?
2015-10-22T01:50:24 < kakimir> first one is more.. general and formal word
2015-10-22T01:50:44 < kakimir> last one is just simply a bed
2015-10-22T01:51:20 < Steffanx> weird finnish
2015-10-22T01:51:23 < Steffanx> a bed is a bed :P
2015-10-22T01:54:30 < kakimir> also "peti"
2015-10-22T01:56:41 < kakimir> "peittää" means to cover with something so "pedata" means make a bed
2015-10-22T01:57:02 < kakimir> *make the bed
2015-10-22T01:59:09 < kakimir> how to conjugate finnish verbs http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/Finnish/keskustella.html
2015-10-22T01:59:27 < kakimir> "to have a conversation" - "keskustella"
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2015-10-22T02:01:26 < kakimir> I wonder if english has those all
2015-10-22T02:02:33 < kakimir> I don't really want to know
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2015-10-22T02:03:43 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: can you use piezoelectric sensors to track movement of moving explosion waves inside a device from outside surface?
2015-10-22T02:04:28 < kakimir> how about lasers?
2015-10-22T02:04:53 < Laurenceb_> dont see why not
2015-10-22T02:04:54 < kakimir> surface propably hot as hell
2015-10-22T02:05:11 < kakimir> or relativelly red colored
2015-10-22T02:09:35 < kakimir> have you done any such setups?
2015-10-22T02:12:59 < kakimir> focus drift
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2015-10-22T02:18:33 < Laurenceb_> what are you talking about?
2015-10-22T02:19:03 < kakimir> weren't you the rocket engineer?
2015-10-22T02:19:08 < Laurenceb_> no
2015-10-22T02:19:16 < Laurenceb_> just a humble physicist
2015-10-22T02:19:22 < kakimir> :o
2015-10-22T02:21:27 < kakimir> tell me about it?
2015-10-22T02:22:19 < Laurenceb_> I worked for EADS for a while
2015-10-22T02:22:28 < kakimir> !
2015-10-22T02:22:45 < Sync> aids
2015-10-22T02:22:50 < Laurenceb_> indeed
2015-10-22T02:22:57 < Laurenceb_> and lots and lots of paperwork
2015-10-22T02:22:58 < kakimir> military?
2015-10-22T02:23:03 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-10-22T02:23:26 < Sync> pfft, we just had a .mil job at work
2015-10-22T02:23:34 < kakimir> UAV?
2015-10-22T02:23:37 < kakimir> Laurenceb_
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2015-10-22T02:23:55 < Sync> we had to notary to testify that the test system went green every time
2015-10-22T02:24:07 < Sync> ~to get a
2015-10-22T02:24:15 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-22T02:24:31 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: mil sat stuff
2015-10-22T02:24:39 < kakimir> sweet
2015-10-22T02:24:44 < Laurenceb_> no
2015-10-22T02:24:48 < Laurenceb_> boring as hell
2015-10-22T02:25:16 < Laurenceb_> medical devices is actually more enjoyable
2015-10-22T02:25:37 < Laurenceb_> more scope for doing interesting and novel stuff
2015-10-22T02:26:50 < kakimir> did that mil sat destroy chinese mil sats?
2015-10-22T02:26:56 < Laurenceb_> sats are anything but innovative
2015-10-22T02:27:02 < Sync> ^
2015-10-22T02:27:06 < Sync> conservative shits
2015-10-22T02:27:12 < Sync> outdated hardwarez
2015-10-22T02:27:18 < kakimir> that's why you don't get to sats
2015-10-22T02:27:32 < kakimir> even when you have a chance
2015-10-22T02:27:50 < Laurenceb_> medical devices you just have a ton of regulatory shit which everyone just VWs
2015-10-22T02:28:05 < Sync> yeah, it is pretty sad
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2015-10-22T02:28:19 < Laurenceb_> same for CE
2015-10-22T02:28:36 < Laurenceb_> not that there is a difference, medical devices come under CE
2015-10-22T02:29:23 < Sync> I like how everybody just #yolos certifications
2015-10-22T02:29:39 < kakimir> did you build those out of standard logics made out of ruby and costing some price of used car each?
2015-10-22T02:29:50 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-10-22T02:29:51 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-10-22T02:30:11 < Laurenceb_> everyone was obsessed with bare die modules using ceramic backing
2015-10-22T02:30:32 < Laurenceb_> ruby was sometimes involved
2015-10-22T02:30:39 < kakimir> bare die?
2015-10-22T02:31:10 < kakimir> why
2015-10-22T02:31:41 < kakimir> density issue?
2015-10-22T02:32:22 < Laurenceb_> cuz thats how its always been done
2015-10-22T02:32:34 < Laurenceb_> supposedly lifetime and temperature tolerance
2015-10-22T02:33:13 < Laurenceb_> but basically its just chip on board with ceramic PCB, so I dont see why its so special
2015-10-22T02:34:03 < Sync> I have had regular chips in vacuum forever
2015-10-22T02:34:08 < Sync> shit still works
2015-10-22T02:34:13 < Laurenceb_> xactly
2015-10-22T02:34:50 < Sync> outgassing is an issue, tho
2015-10-22T02:35:16 < Laurenceb_> and if you want it to run with minimal degradation for decades
2015-10-22T02:35:18 < kakimir> Sync: vacuum?
2015-10-22T02:35:45 < Laurenceb_> we worked on an anemometer for exomars, but I'm not sure if exomars will ever amount to anything
2015-10-22T02:39:08 < kakimir> are you good at your work Laurenceb_?
2015-10-22T02:39:09 < Sync> probably not
2015-10-22T02:40:31 < Laurenceb_> too busy edgelording
2015-10-22T02:41:47 < kakimir> "Fedora tipping, fat fuck that spends his life on anime cartoon message boards being a worthless pile of shit."
2015-10-22T02:43:29 < kakimir> luckily I don't have nothing but that last part
2015-10-22T02:44:47 < kakimir> I wonder how everybody are pretty much the same on some forums
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2015-10-22T02:49:50 < kakimir> he couldn't handle it
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2015-10-22T03:51:08 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/Original-XiaoYi-Ambarella-A7LS-BSI-CMOS-WIFI-Sports-Action-Camera-p-969228.html
2015-10-22T03:51:11 < dongs> such price
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2015-10-22T04:12:05 < zyp> so, did atmel just clone mbed?
2015-10-22T04:12:09 < zyp> http://start.atmel.com/
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2015-10-22T04:23:53 < ds2> *yawn*
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2015-10-22T04:43:00 < emeb> yo ds2
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2015-10-22T05:09:11 < ds2> hey
2015-10-22T05:13:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE
2015-10-22T05:22:12 < englishman> dongs: price is what i paid, is it low, high?
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2015-10-22T06:29:51 < upgrdman> wtf. wanted to rate one of my uni profressors on ratemyprofessors.com ... "<prof name> was recently removed from Rate My Professors, likely because he or she is no longer teaching." and no way to add the professor!
2015-10-22T06:30:09 < upgrdman> are prof's now able to prevent listings? this sux
2015-10-22T06:32:12 < jadew> only for US?
2015-10-22T06:32:54 < upgrdman> dunno but in in the us
2015-10-22T06:45:04 < upgrdman> sup
2015-10-22T06:45:16 < upgrdman> found out rate my professors is a joke :/
2015-10-22T06:45:32 < upgrdman> cant add a new prof, because the prof was "recently removed"
2015-10-22T06:49:37 < upgrdman> no i have a stupid prof, who just started teacher this semester
2015-10-22T06:49:51 < upgrdman> and no reviews or listing
2015-10-22T06:49:57 < upgrdman> so i wanted to add a listing
2015-10-22T06:50:40 < upgrdman> this is my last semester, but im working full time right now cause i only have two classes
2015-10-22T06:51:04 < upgrdman> and this semester is sucking ass.
2015-10-22T06:51:15 < upgrdman> so fucking boring, and i already have a career going now
2015-10-22T06:51:34 < upgrdman> only colsolation is knowing that i probably make more money than some of my professors
2015-10-22T06:52:56 < upgrdman> well its nice to know that the stupid useless fucks are at least worse off than me
2015-10-22T06:53:15 < upgrdman> cool
2015-10-22T06:54:33 < upgrdman> lol
2015-10-22T06:54:46 < upgrdman> ya seems like a lot of the student body is stupid/lazy as fuck
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2015-10-22T07:05:41 < upgrdman> bachelors
2015-10-22T07:06:12 < upgrdman> was tempted to go for masters, but my employer cares more about ability than credentials.
2015-10-22T07:06:40 < upgrdman> and most of my friends with jobs in industry agree, except for two that work for super big companies where HR is king
2015-10-22T07:08:26 < upgrdman> i take it you got a masters?
2015-10-22T07:36:13 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknzNhtQ5Ag
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2015-10-22T08:05:27 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/Zr8a9Ca
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2015-10-22T11:30:05 < dongs> upgrdman: rofl, he mowed him the fuck down
2015-10-22T11:30:22 < dongs> englishman: i thought it was $80-ish
2015-10-22T11:34:59 < ReadError> woh nice korea fedex is literally overnight apparently
2015-10-22T11:35:07 < ReadError> or speculated date
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2015-10-22T11:53:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NXePZ7i.gifv attn upgrdman
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2015-10-22T13:03:28 < stukdev> is there a way to verify if the stm32f4 have installed the rom bootloader? becouse i've a board where set boot0 pin don't start bootloader...so i 've some trooble
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2015-10-22T13:04:19 < dongs> you can read RM or bootloader appnote for the start address, connect via SWD and read that memory area
2015-10-22T13:04:28 < dongs> but its very unlikely that a F4 will have no bootloader
2015-10-22T13:04:41 < dongs> there was one fuckup where they flashed non-usb bootloader on F317? or something parts long time ago
2015-10-22T13:04:44 < dongs> but they fixed it.
2015-10-22T13:05:12 < Taxman> hi
2015-10-22T13:08:22 < dongs> just twatted to zeptobars if he'd be intersted in posting diepix of GD32
2015-10-22T13:08:25 < dongs> lets see wat hapens
2015-10-22T13:12:49 < qyx> uhm, are generic fuses capable of breaking DC current?
2015-10-22T13:12:57 < dongs> uh?
2015-10-22T13:13:02 < dongs> why wouldnt they?
2015-10-22T13:13:08 < qyx> i mean
2015-10-22T13:13:11 < qyx> like this one http://www.etigroup.eu/product-search-2?view=ident&levelid=52&id=002620015
2015-10-22T13:13:17 < qyx> they are rated for AC only
2015-10-22T13:13:51 < qyx> but at least one manufacturer makes those gG fuses for 690AC/440DC
2015-10-22T13:14:09 < dongs> yeah isnt AC->DC thing you gotta 1/3 or someshit
2015-10-22T13:14:20 < dongs> because of phase shit
2015-10-22T13:14:31 < dongs> anyway, they're just a bar of shit inside
2015-10-22T13:14:34 < dongs> that melts when its hot..
2015-10-22T13:14:45 < dongs> dont see how it makes any difference if thats from AC or DC
2015-10-22T13:14:50 < qyx> http://www.oez.cz/produkty/pv-pojistkove-vlozky
2015-10-22T13:14:51 < qyx> or this one
2015-10-22T13:14:58 < qyx> AC400-690, DC 250
2015-10-22T13:15:25 < dongs> you gonna put that on your stm32 board?
2015-10-22T13:15:42 < qyx> stm32 controlled 48V inverter!
2015-10-22T13:15:55 < qyx> but still waiting for enough cores
2015-10-22T13:16:06 < qyx> F7 is quite meh for that
2015-10-22T13:16:22 < dongs> china PV inverters are using atmega1280
2015-10-22T13:16:27 < karlp> zyp: that start.atmel thing, I was playing with it a week or two ago, it didn't seem like mbed to me, seemed a lot nicer... but I didn't play with it all that far.
2015-10-22T13:16:27 < dongs> are you telling me F7 is not fast enough???
2015-10-22T13:16:37 < karlp> seemed more like, hrm, really, this is what youspent your time on?!
2015-10-22T13:16:59 < qyx> according to beaky, no
2015-10-22T13:17:07 < dongs> > beaky
2015-10-22T13:17:08 < dongs> rite
2015-10-22T13:18:38 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-22T13:18:40 < dongs> is atmel start
2015-10-22T13:18:49 < dongs> why the fuck is everyone doing that middlewware/hal trash
2015-10-22T13:19:05 < dongs> how about giving proper libs, proper docs, and letting proper pros code stuff
2015-10-22T13:19:13 < dongs> instead of jerking off making unusable shit like TIMECUBE
2015-10-22T13:19:25 < karlp> yeah, that's kinda what I felt.
2015-10-22T13:20:23 < emeryth> whoa, timecube in the cloud
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2015-10-22T13:20:31 < emeryth> now that's innovation
2015-10-22T13:21:03 < dongs> timecube with wolfssl and feertos
2015-10-22T13:21:54 < karlp> dongs: that xiaomi camera, is that really cheap is it? I've nto followed gopro clone stuff
2015-10-22T13:22:05 < dongs> yeah its pretty decently priced
2015-10-22T13:22:08 < dongs> has wiif and evrything
2015-10-22T13:22:09 < qyx> uff wolfssl
2015-10-22T13:22:14 < dongs> i think its ~gopro silver spec
2015-10-22T13:22:17 < qyx> 16000 lines of c in a single file
2015-10-22T13:22:19 < dongs> for 1/3 the price
2015-10-22T13:22:34 < dongs> the image quality is great too
2015-10-22T13:23:46 < karlp> qyx: for ultimate file optimizations!
2015-10-22T13:23:56 < dongs> < karlp> qyx: for ultimate file optimizations!
2015-10-22T13:23:58 < karlp> just get a better editor right?
2015-10-22T13:24:00 < dongs> only a problem with freetard compilers
2015-10-22T13:24:09 < dongs> i have no problem doing multi-file LTO with a real compiler
2015-10-22T13:24:11 < dongs> ^_-
2015-10-22T13:24:11 < karlp> dongs: couldn't agree more .)
2015-10-22T13:24:17 < dongs> and multipass optimization
2015-10-22T13:24:35 < karlp> it's old greybeards insisting on doign things they way they did things in the 70s
2015-10-22T13:24:40 < dongs> yeah
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2015-10-22T13:28:29 < jpa-> embedded = code C like it's 1989
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2015-10-22T13:48:13 < qyx> karlp: unmaintainable
2015-10-22T13:48:35 < dongs> gotta cleancode
2015-10-22T13:48:47 < jpa-> is it really in single file, or just dumped into a single file for inclusion it other projects?
2015-10-22T13:48:57 < dongs> maybe there's a pytho nscript
2015-10-22T13:49:02 < dongs> that "optimizes" it into a single .c
2015-10-22T13:49:08 < dongs> for max newb
2015-10-22T13:49:15 < dongs> cat *.c >> arduiono.c
2015-10-22T13:50:06 < jpa-> could even be just using cpp to do that :P
2015-10-22T13:50:17 < dongs> can you wildcard #include?
2015-10-22T13:50:27 < dongs> or how would you d o it?
2015-10-22T13:50:33 < jpa-> unfortunately no
2015-10-22T13:50:43 < dongs> so it'd be cocks.c with liek #include lol1.c #include lol2,c etc?
2015-10-22T13:50:59 < jpa-> yeah
2015-10-22T13:51:01 < jpa-> but doesn't really work
2015-10-22T13:51:08 < dongs> it could
2015-10-22T13:51:11 < jpa-> because all #includes inside those files would be stripped also
2015-10-22T13:51:16 < dongs> naw
2015-10-22T13:51:20 < dongs> you just #define IMFUCKINGGAY
2015-10-22T13:51:29 < dongs> and then #ifdef the #includes inside files
2015-10-22T13:51:31 < dongs> under that
2015-10-22T13:51:35 < qyx> jpa-: maybe 5 files together
2015-10-22T13:51:39 < karlp> lua compiles all into a single file in it's distribution thing iirc
2015-10-22T13:51:53 < dongs> there's also that uh
2015-10-22T13:51:56 < dongs> thing that does
2015-10-22T13:51:58 < dongs> single file
2015-10-22T13:52:01 < dongs> ...
2015-10-22T13:52:05 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, i've seen several projects do that.. it kind of makes sense when you want to include it in other projects that use crappy IDEs
2015-10-22T13:52:06 < dongs> the small SQL thing
2015-10-22T13:52:17 < dongs> sqlite yeah
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2015-10-22T14:35:06 < Laurenceb> F7 too slow for a freaking invertor
2015-10-22T14:35:08 < Laurenceb> wtf
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2015-10-22T14:45:28 < stukdev> mmm i don't understand how verify the bootloader memory address... is there a way to read rom with st-link?
2015-10-22T14:45:29 < lkcl> dongs: sorry, didn't see the message earlier (had to go back through xchat logs).  parallel CSI is exactly what i'm after.
2015-10-22T14:46:57 < lkcl> dongs: just to check: we're talking about like this guy did, except with an stm32f103 several years ago - https://github.com/adamgreig/followingrobot ?
2015-10-22T14:48:33 < lkcl> dongs: i tried replicating that with a 12mhz clock on a 640x480 VGA sensor, but 12mhz MCLK was far too much for a lowly stm32f103 to handle getting the data.
2015-10-22T14:48:53 < lkcl> dongs: and at 6mhz the VGA sensor wouldn't sync.
2015-10-22T14:49:52 < lkcl> i tried some of the more obscure and esoteric DMA transfer modes, but couldn't get my head round it at the time.
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2015-10-22T15:12:20 < stukdev> ok found address and read rom, apparently some byte is wrote, so there is boot. but windows can't find the dfu mode of usb :/
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2015-10-22T15:28:06 < qyx> Laurenceb: you missed the beaky part
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2015-10-22T15:28:42 < stukdev> maybe can be the boot1 pin not attach to gnd
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2015-10-22T15:37:04 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-22T15:37:28 < Laurenceb> slashdot: mythbusters is to science as a shitstain hipster pouring paint on their genitals is to art
2015-10-22T15:39:02 < Getty> but but........ dynomite!
2015-10-22T15:39:43 < Sync> there are mites in your dynamometer?
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2015-10-22T15:40:53 < ReadError> How.Gay.Is.Pakistan.HDTV.x264-C4TV lol what
2015-10-22T15:43:35 < Laurenceb> no homot
2015-10-22T15:44:12 < ReadError> its a UK show
2015-10-22T15:44:16 < Laurenceb> torrenting your pron
2015-10-22T15:44:18 < ReadError> C4TV anyways
2015-10-22T15:44:23 < Laurenceb> lol C4
2015-10-22T15:44:42 < Laurenceb> home of "UK male prostitutes" and similar shows
2015-10-22T15:45:37 < Laurenceb> that was quite funny, the reporter posed as a gigolo and was bombarded by calls in minutes
2015-10-22T15:48:37 < Laurenceb> the lulworthy fact was that half of the callers were Polish
2015-10-22T15:51:28 < Laurenceb> maybe Tectu could find himself a proper job
2015-10-22T15:53:09 < Laurenceb> this is interesting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/21/questionable_future_subghz_wifi/
2015-10-22T15:53:26 < Laurenceb> should be called 80a.11ah
2015-10-22T16:04:52 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2015-10-22T16:04:53 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=38577.0;attach=1074210;image
2015-10-22T16:08:15 < Sync> ?!
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2015-10-22T16:34:41 < ReadError> emdrive
2015-10-22T16:34:45 < ReadError> its Laurenceb's zano
2015-10-22T16:43:40 < Rob235> hmmm.  STM32F4:  Arrived at post office but estimated delivery says tomorrow.  hopefully it is delivered today so I can get started
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2015-10-22T17:10:06 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/FRcTlU2.jpg
2015-10-22T17:13:27 < mitrax> that's old
2015-10-22T17:13:39 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/g2Bc6VW.gifv
2015-10-22T17:14:18 < mitrax> ahahahahah
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2015-10-22T17:28:47 < zuro> hello, I'm trying to flash my stm32f4 discovery from linux (archlinux) with stlink from github.com/texane/stilink. However, despite I see the final message "jolly good", the board doesn't seem to be flashed with the code I gave it. Has anybody ever experienced the same issue?
2015-10-22T17:30:06 < __rob> is there not SPL for f7 ?
2015-10-22T17:30:14 < karlp> yeah, don't use texane..
2015-10-22T17:30:49 < zuro> karlp: what else can I use on linux?
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2015-10-22T17:38:19 < zyp> openocd
2015-10-22T17:39:31 < zuro> even for flashing? could you please point me to a resource for getting started using openocd for flashing the board?
2015-10-22T17:40:08 < zyp> try google.com
2015-10-22T17:40:35 < zuro> yeah, thanks. they say google.com works great :P
2015-10-22T17:42:05 < zyp> sorry, I don't know of any specific resources, and I'm not going to google for you :p
2015-10-22T17:43:02 < zuro> I see. that's fine ;)
2015-10-22T17:43:41 < zyp> but anyway, openocd includes default configs for the stm32 discovery boards, so you don't even have to write your own
2015-10-22T17:44:41 < zuro> yep, i saw them right now. A (not so) quick look into the openocd docs should lead me to a successfull flash
2015-10-22T17:44:47 < zuro> thanks
2015-10-22T17:45:17 < PaulFertser> zuro: read README, then use "program" command, you do not need any old guides that talk about "flash erase" etc.
2015-10-22T17:46:29 < zuro> PaulFertser: roger. I'll try as soon as possible
2015-10-22T17:47:31 < Taxman> openocd does a wonderul job.
2015-10-22T17:47:52 < Taxman> but it impacts my rs232 transfers ;)
2015-10-22T17:55:26 < PaulFertser> Taxman: what do you mean?
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2015-10-22T18:27:45 < Taxman> PaulFertser: i transfer a lot of bytes via rs232 at 115000 baud, no flow control
2015-10-22T18:28:14 < Taxman> when openocd is running with the usb dongle, there are some bytes lost
2015-10-22T18:28:52 < Taxman> didn't expect this, that the 16 byte fifo can overrun in nowadays computers, but it is so.
2015-10-22T18:29:29 < zyp> haha
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2015-10-22T18:30:43 < zyp> that sounds weird, a 16 byte fifo would take over a millisecond to fill at that rate
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2015-10-22T18:35:36 < Taxman> maybe the USB driver blocks the system? My rs232 is on-mainboard in the chipset
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2015-10-22T18:38:17 < jpa-> i saw fifo overflows in one work project also, windows was just too busy to handle the serial port (and yeah, it was also a hardware serial port on motherboard)
2015-10-22T18:38:21 < upgrdman> i know that you often need to wait for a while after power up before many spi/i2c devies can be talked to, since they might still be starting up even though the MCU is ready... but what about internal peripherals? having a problem with the internal adc of an nxp mcu, and spin waiting before adc init code fixes the problem :/
2015-10-22T18:38:57 < jpa-> upgrdman: some ADCs perform autocalibration when they are turned on, but the manual should tell that if that's the case
2015-10-22T18:39:14 < upgrdman> ok thanks
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2015-10-22T18:46:55 < karlp> upgrdman: even stm32 says you need to wait before use. should be all documented, even in nxp world :)
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2015-10-22T18:47:30 < upgrdman> karlp, forgive me :)
2015-10-22T18:47:38 < upgrdman> refactoring so much shit code.
2015-10-22T18:48:43 < upgrdman> give reorangizing stuff to make it "cohesive" is causing all sorts of problems
2015-10-22T18:49:21 < upgrdman> but im making easy gains too. able to run some interrupts at about 8x previous speed
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2015-10-22T18:50:51 < upgrdman> on the topic of cohesion, is it possible to have tight cohesion AND tight couple? or loose cohesion AND loose coupling?
2015-10-22T18:51:40 < upgrdman> they seem like opposites, so not sure
2015-10-22T18:54:04 < karlp> not sure what you mean by cohesive in this sense
2015-10-22T18:54:40 < upgrdman> the degree to which elements of a module belong together
2015-10-22T18:54:41 < upgrdman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohesion_(computer_science)
2015-10-22T18:55:07 < karlp> isn't it the same word as coupling then?
2015-10-22T18:55:50 < jpa-> or is it more like "they fit together"
2015-10-22T18:57:11 < jpa-> also cohesion applies between functions in a module, while coupling is usually between modules
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2015-10-22T18:57:26 < zyp> they are certainly not opposites
2015-10-22T18:57:45 < mitrax> "Coupling is usually contrasted with cohesion. Low coupling often correlates with high cohesion, and vice versa. Low coupling is often a sign of a well-structured computer system and a good design, and when combined with high cohesion, supports the general goals of high readability and maintainability"
2015-10-22T18:57:46 < upgrdman> i think cohesion is "related code is in the same file or class" and coupling is "you can change one module without having to change a whole bunch of shit all over the place"
2015-10-22T18:58:28 < zyp> something like that
2015-10-22T18:58:32 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-22T18:58:41 < mitrax> they just mean the opposite thing, high cohesion = low coupling i.e not many interdependencies between modules
2015-10-22T18:59:16 < upgrdman> ya that's what i mean. opposite meanings. so could you have high cohesion but high coupling?
2015-10-22T18:59:32 < mitrax> that wouldn't make sense
2015-10-22T18:59:39 < upgrdman> that's what i thought. ok
2015-10-22T19:00:56 < jpa-> sure you could
2015-10-22T19:01:04 < jpa-> you can make couplings between unrelated things
2015-10-22T19:01:09 < jpa-> they are just stupid
2015-10-22T19:01:23 < jpa-> also, you can have uncoupled things in same module
2015-10-22T19:01:30 < kakimir> jpa-: do you happen to have signal level p-mosfets?
2015-10-22T19:01:48 < kakimir> sot23
2015-10-22T19:02:37 < kakimir> I need literally few or 3 to be exact and I have just completed all my orderlists
2015-10-22T19:03:13 < __rob> can anyone give me some advice. If I want a bootloader that can load new firmware over http using lwip+freertos, is it better to have the bootloader and application both contain everything they need (ie, both have are compiled with their own lwip+freertos)
2015-10-22T19:04:17 < jpa-> kakimir: i have IRLML6402PBF (P) and IRF5851 (N&P)
2015-10-22T19:04:42 < __rob> or, the application just uses the same freertos+lwip build as the bootloader, and just contains the some tasks that  get started
2015-10-22T19:05:47 < __rob> so basically the first way each or totally self contained
2015-10-22T19:05:51 < __rob> are*
2015-10-22T19:05:57 < kakimir> bbl>
2015-10-22T19:06:22 < jpa-> __rob: depends on the upgrade failure recovery level you need
2015-10-22T19:06:54 < __rob> well I have some spi flash on teh board, so i can load the new firware into that and verify it first
2015-10-22T19:06:54 < jpa-> __rob: and whether you have temporary space to store the new firmware
2015-10-22T19:07:29 < jpa-> yeah, though crashing firmware would still be unrecoverable in that case
2015-10-22T19:08:18 < __rob> well with ether option the bootloader will not get modified
2015-10-22T19:08:54 < __rob> just means that I wouldn't be able to update lwip or freertos, if that is static, and the firmware only contains tasks that are run
2015-10-22T19:09:01 < jpa-> ah yeah, using bootloader's lwip, yeah
2015-10-22T19:09:28 < __rob> its basically whether the bootloader and firmware are self contained
2015-10-22T19:09:43 < __rob> or if the firmware uses code thats in the bootloader
2015-10-22T19:10:05 < __rob> never done it, so not really sure how to proceed
2015-10-22T19:11:10 < jpa-> well, either is possible and doable
2015-10-22T19:11:10 < __rob> the other option is that there is no bootloader/application. its a single hex file, and i copy an spi->flash routine to the RAM, then rewrite the whole new firmware over the top
2015-10-22T19:11:21 < jpa-> if you have enough flash, having them separate is probably easiest
2015-10-22T19:11:51 < __rob> right, I guess theres no reason I can't have 2 stage update
2015-10-22T19:12:01 < __rob> so the application can optionally update the bootloader after its been updated
2015-10-22T19:12:24 < jpa-> how will you trigger the bootloader?
2015-10-22T19:13:08 < __rob> how do you mean ?
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2015-10-22T19:13:14 < __rob> it will just load on startup ?
2015-10-22T19:13:30 < __rob> then jump to the application code
2015-10-22T19:14:36 < jpa-> in what situation will it jump there?
2015-10-22T19:14:45 < jpa-> in what situation will it download new firmware?
2015-10-22T19:15:41 < __rob> ohh, I guess some flag in a byte in the flash marking the current application as valid
2015-10-22T19:16:22 < __rob> new firmware I want to push through an http web interface
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2015-10-22T19:16:58 < __rob> which is why i want freertos+lwip in the bootloader
2015-10-22T19:18:06 < __rob> ideally I want this to work when there is no spi flash, and the mcu flash will be filled. so it needs to work in cases that its writing directly to flash
2015-10-22T19:18:25 < __rob> which, if it fails, I still want to be able to access over http
2015-10-22T19:19:32 < jpa-> i just wonder if the application is crashing how you can access it
2015-10-22T19:19:56 < __rob> ohh i see, yea, then i'm screwed
2015-10-22T19:21:42 < __rob> ideally I just don't upload bad application firmware
2015-10-22T19:21:52 < zuro> so...I got an example program from https://github.com/rowol/stm32_discovery_arm_gcc (blinky), I compiled and I tried to flash the discovery launching openocd -f /usr/share/openocd/scripts/board/stm32f4discovery.cfg, connecting with telnet and issuing "program full_path_of_bin_file verify reset 0x8000000. Despite that, the board doesn't seem to be properly flashed. I'm I missing something obvious in your opinion?
2015-10-22T19:22:24 < __rob> or somehow mark a flag in flash that the application is failing from the hardfault handler
2015-10-22T19:22:37 < __rob> so then have it sit in teh bootloader after a power cycle
2015-10-22T19:23:47 < __rob> but that same problem would exist in alot of bootloader schemes, no ?
2015-10-22T19:36:31 < zuro> nevermind, i was flashing the wrong thing most likely
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2015-10-22T20:21:58 < zyp> __rob, another option is to keep two instances of the application itself, each with the option to overwrite the other
2015-10-22T20:22:46 < zyp> and a small bootloader stub that's able to select between the two on bootup
2015-10-22T20:23:16 < zyp> that way you can just boot into the newest, with an option to revert to the previous on error
2015-10-22T20:24:27 < zyp> we had a project at my former employer that worked like that
2015-10-22T20:24:59 < zyp> there were two variants of the linker script, so each firmware got built for both the low and the high flash area
2015-10-22T20:25:59 < zyp> and then there were a script that took the two output binaries and combined them with delta information, so that the flash writer just picked out the appropriate part of it
2015-10-22T20:26:38 < zyp> kinda like relinking the application when writing, except it's all precalculated
2015-10-22T20:28:22 < zyp> the bootloader stub should allow the user to force-select one of the firmwares, and you could add logic to automatically revert to the older one on watchdog reset or similar
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2015-10-22T20:43:46 < __rob> yea, thats quite nice
2015-10-22T20:44:07 < __rob> only issue I guess is if you dont have external memory, you basically halve your flash size
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2015-10-22T20:50:55 < zyp> yes, but consider how big a standalone bootloader with a full http server would be
2015-10-22T20:51:10 < zyp> might as well go all out and just make it a full firmware
2015-10-22T20:52:17 < ReadError> question, off color
2015-10-22T20:52:27 < ReadError> do the chinese jlinks do the unlimited breakpoints?
2015-10-22T20:52:36 < ReadError> or is that some GDB license (software) ?
2015-10-22T20:52:56 < zyp> wouldn't think that has anything to do with the hardware
2015-10-22T20:59:28 < ReadError> well its a paid upgrade for some
2015-10-22T20:59:31 < ReadError> but included in others
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2015-10-22T21:03:41 < karlp> ReadError: would only be relevant if you were using jlink gdbserver I'd imagine
2015-10-22T21:11:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcr3BLAfPZ8
2015-10-22T21:12:18 < englishman> shit like this is the reason cheap russian surplus ammo becomes expensive :(
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2015-10-22T23:09:02 < jadew> englishman, apparently there's such things as spiked ammo
2015-10-22T23:09:16 < jadew> (a commenter on that video brought it up)
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2015-10-22T23:10:46 < Sync> yeah
2015-10-22T23:14:26 < kakimir> spiked ammo is a thing mainly by yankees
2015-10-22T23:15:01 < kakimir> begun in vietnam and used ever since
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2015-10-22T23:16:28 < englishman> Ya jadew
2015-10-22T23:16:35 < englishman> Planted by CIA and others
2015-10-22T23:17:02 < kakimir> mess with guerrilla supplys
2015-10-22T23:17:02 < englishman> Makes importing Russian surplus ammo expensive, need lots of paperwork to make sure johnny q shooter doesn't blow himself up
2015-10-22T23:22:08 < Sync> pfft
2015-10-22T23:22:16 < Sync> just import directly from tulammo
2015-10-22T23:23:39 < kakimir> are you guys gun people?
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2015-10-22T23:29:36 < jadew> kakimir, I don't live in the US or africa, so no
2015-10-22T23:30:19 < kakimir> I can disassembly and reassembly - ak47 - blindfolded
2015-10-22T23:30:28 < kakimir> in reasonable time
2015-10-22T23:30:44 < jadew> but if I did live in any of them, I'd probably be into it
2015-10-22T23:31:01 < jadew> I think shooting it in reasonable time is more important :P
2015-10-22T23:31:29 < kakimir> I think that carefully aimed shot is better than quick one
2015-10-22T23:31:58 < kakimir> generally you can't hit a shit
2015-10-22T23:32:40 < jadew> I remember watching a mini-documentary saying that it's pointless to reach for the gun if the attacker has a knife and he's less than 5 meters away
2015-10-22T23:33:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxjYfl05ek
2015-10-22T23:33:14 < kakimir> russian school day
2015-10-22T23:34:15 < kakimir> they are allowed to drop the lock on table...
2015-10-22T23:34:22 < jadew> looks like girls do the cleaning, boys put them back together
2015-10-22T23:34:25 < jadew> sexism
2015-10-22T23:35:42 < kakimir> you said it
2015-10-22T23:35:47 < englishman> I only shoot tacticool operations
2015-10-22T23:36:14 < jadew> I saw a gun up close only on a few occasions when I was a kid
2015-10-22T23:36:47 < jadew> once at the revolution, when my dad came home with a rifle
2015-10-22T23:37:32 < jadew> and on perhaps two occasions when the army was guarding my school, during elections
2015-10-22T23:37:39 < jadew> again, soon after the revolution
2015-10-22T23:37:44 < kakimir> viva la revolution?
2015-10-22T23:37:51 < kakimir> where you live?
2015-10-22T23:37:55 < jadew> romania
2015-10-22T23:38:18 < jadew> it wasn't anything spectacular in my city
2015-10-22T23:38:26 < kakimir> around end of 80's or when?
2015-10-22T23:38:32 < jadew> civilians were asked to guard something, so they were handed rifles
2015-10-22T23:38:39 < jadew> yeah, '89
2015-10-22T23:39:30 < kakimir> some local dictator was put down?
2015-10-22T23:40:13 < jadew> yeah, Ceausescu
2015-10-22T23:40:43 < jadew> he was executed on Christmas
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2015-10-22T23:44:05 < Steffanx> peaceful time of the year
2015-10-22T23:44:27 < kakimir> chrismas gift?
2015-10-22T23:44:51 < kakimir> I can imagine big snow flakes falling slowly
2015-10-22T23:45:19 < jadew> I think it was rather dry, not sure tho
2015-10-22T23:45:40 < Roklobsta> no tears were shed though
2015-10-22T23:46:00 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P-JrjCRkhI
2015-10-22T23:46:02 < jadew> YouTube: Nicolae Ceausescu sentence and execution 1989
2015-10-22T23:46:23 < jadew> yeah
2015-10-22T23:49:50 < kakimir> looks poor
2015-10-22T23:50:24 < kakimir> trial, documentation, execution
2015-10-22T23:51:29 < BrainDamage> you're talking about a guy that prohibited abortions and forced childs into state owned orphanages in order to get a cheap workforce
2015-10-22T23:51:47 < kakimir> :D
2015-10-22T23:53:43 < jadew> when I was young I would go to buy bread with a small card and the clerk would make a mark on the card so I wouldn't be able to buy bread again on that day
2015-10-22T23:53:50 < jadew> we had rations
2015-10-22T23:53:58 < kakimir> in 80s...
2015-10-22T23:53:59 < jadew> like... one and a half
2015-10-22T23:54:01 < jadew> yeah
2015-10-22T23:54:21 < jadew> I said young, I meant to say when I was a kid
2015-10-22T23:54:47 < jadew> I remember people were very desoriented in the early 90's
2015-10-22T23:54:54 < jadew> they didn't know how to act
2015-10-22T23:55:07 < kakimir> rations ended here in 1954
2015-10-22T23:55:32 < jadew> where is here?
2015-10-22T23:55:43 < jadew> US?
2015-10-22T23:55:52 < kakimir> finn
2015-10-22T23:55:55 < jadew> ah
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2015-10-23T00:00:44 < englishman> we have rations for about 8 months of the year. there's a large market for used house pets around march.
2015-10-23T00:03:13 < kakimir> where?
2015-10-23T00:03:42 < kakimir> how rations and pets are.. connected?
2015-10-23T00:05:40 < kakimir> rations for pets?
2015-10-23T00:08:24 < jadew> used pets
2015-10-23T00:09:13 < kakimir> used
2015-10-23T00:09:29 < kakimir> pets
2015-10-23T00:10:32 < englishman> canada
2015-10-23T00:10:35 < englishman> winter is coming
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2015-10-23T00:17:52 < kakimir> fucking winter
2015-10-23T00:19:33 < kakimir> sometimes I wonder if it was better to live somewhere where is no concideration of winter
2015-10-23T00:20:03 < englishman> then you have to deal with tornadoes
2015-10-23T00:20:16 < kakimir> mediterrian
2015-10-23T00:20:54 < kakimir> but by now it's 100% halal
2015-10-23T00:21:03 < englishman> then you have to deal with italians
2015-10-23T00:21:08 < kakimir> and that
2015-10-23T00:21:54 < Sync> yeah, you don't want to move to the yuropoor countries
2015-10-23T00:22:12 < BrainDamage> except there's winter in italy too
2015-10-23T00:22:34 < BrainDamage> granted, we don't get -30°C, but -10°C is fairly common
2015-10-23T00:22:38 < kakimir> in sivilized parts of italy yes
2015-10-23T00:27:53 < kakimir> turn black and go central africa
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2015-10-23T00:28:28 < BrainDamage> why central africa, just go to arab countries, it's plenty warm already there
2015-10-23T00:28:37 < Laurenceb_> and snackbars
2015-10-23T00:28:57 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrvVGQH31fg
2015-10-23T00:31:09 < kakimir> their chainsaw needs some sharpening
2015-10-23T00:32:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eemZtAmPjDg
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2015-10-23T00:36:30 < Laurenceb_> maybe they can ship me some igniters
2015-10-23T00:36:43  * Laurenceb_ is failing to find rocket igniters outside of murica
2015-10-23T00:39:49 < Sync> what kind do you need?
2015-10-23T00:40:42 < Laurenceb_> something that fires off 2v and is less than 3mm diameter
2015-10-23T00:40:52 < Sync> hmm
2015-10-23T00:41:07 < Laurenceb_> http://www.sierrafoxhobbies.com/en/model-rocket-motors/1395-motori-klima-d9-7.html
2015-10-23T00:41:10 < Laurenceb_> for lighting those
2015-10-23T00:41:15 < Sync> wouldn't a regular pyro igniter do?
2015-10-23T00:41:26 < Laurenceb_> nah they usually need ~6v
2015-10-23T00:41:37 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to light one with a supercap
2015-10-23T00:41:59 < Laurenceb_> I made one that works with a match head and nichrome, but thats a bit goofy
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2015-10-23T00:43:38 < Laurenceb_> my other problem is I only have ~1gram mass budget for the ignition circuit
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2015-10-23T00:45:47 < Sync> well
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2015-10-23T00:48:15 < Laurenceb_> its weird that its possible to ship explosives stuff around EU very cheaply, yet exporting anything like that from US is a paperwork black hole
2015-10-23T00:49:22 < Laurenceb_> murica: want to shoot up a school? No problem - want to do something useful that involves explosive components: paperwork nightmare
2015-10-23T00:49:28 < Sync> yea
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2015-10-23T00:54:52 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: use a chemical igniter, one sensitive to shock
2015-10-23T00:55:14 < BrainDamage> you're already spinning your rocket to shit
2015-10-23T00:55:14 < BrainDamage> it doesn't have to be very sensitive
2015-10-23T00:55:39 < zyp> bad idea, it'll be shocked first time it sees Laurenceb_
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2015-10-23T01:36:55 < Sync> lul dongs did you really create a zano forum?
2015-10-23T01:37:58 < kakimir> does it suprise you?
2015-10-23T01:38:28 < Sync> no
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2015-10-23T01:51:25 < Laurenceb_> zano forum is still down?
2015-10-23T01:51:36 < Laurenceb_> I suspect they killed it
2015-10-23T01:51:53 < Laurenceb_> people complaining about your product? just kill the foum
2015-10-23T01:53:35 < Sync> yep
2015-10-23T01:55:30 < karlp> anyone using adc on f30x? are there any tricks to power up?  I've got the vreg on, whch I missed at first, but is there some other trick?  turning on ADEN in ADC_CR and ADC_RDY in ADC_ISR never goes high
2015-10-23T01:57:22 < emeb> I've been using the ADC on the F303 and F302. Followed the examples in the StdPeriph libs and it works fine.
2015-10-23T02:00:02 < Simon--> stdperiph libs were broken for injected channel config last I checked
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2015-10-23T02:34:45 < zyp> karlp, yeah
2015-10-23T02:36:53 < zyp> karlp, you have to turn on ADVREGEN first, which is a two-step process
2015-10-23T02:37:15 < zyp> ADVREGEN = 0, then ADVREGEN = 1
2015-10-23T02:37:23 < zyp> ref. http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin/main.cpp?h=conf#n291
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2015-10-23T02:52:32 < emeb> karlp: did you kick off the 1st conversion manually - my code does that.
2015-10-23T02:52:54 < emeb> 	/* Enable ADC1 */
2015-10-23T02:52:54 < emeb> 	ADC_Cmd(ADC1, ENABLE);
2015-10-23T02:52:54 < emeb> 	/* wait for ADC1 ADRDY */
2015-10-23T02:52:54 < emeb> 	while(!ADC_GetFlagStatus(ADC1, ADC_FLAG_RDY));
2015-10-23T02:52:54 < emeb> 	/* Start ADC1 Software Conversion */
2015-10-23T02:52:54 < emeb> 	ADC_StartConversion(ADC1);
2015-10-23T03:01:50 < Bright> does stm32 have any 1 mm pitch BGA mcu
2015-10-23T03:05:28 < zyp> I don't think so
2015-10-23T03:06:42 < zyp> f42x is available in 0.8 mm pitch
2015-10-23T03:06:47 < zyp> and 0.65
2015-10-23T03:07:02 < zyp> and 0.4 if you really want to be silly
2015-10-23T03:11:20 < Bright> :'(
2015-10-23T03:11:34 < zyp> why 1mm bga?
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2015-10-23T03:12:38 < Bright> so i can do it easy
2015-10-23T03:12:50 < Bright> with 5/5 specs
2015-10-23T03:13:08 < zyp> so you just want to do BGA for the hell of it? :)
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2015-10-23T03:15:04 < Bright> zyp: practice!
2015-10-23T03:15:20 < Bright> i'm building things for fun anyway
2015-10-23T03:15:28 < zyp> hey, I'm not going to talk down to you, I've done two boards like that ;)
2015-10-23T03:16:21 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Mv7rw.JPG <- this was just for the hell of it
2015-10-23T03:16:40 < zyp> to see how hard it was to do BGA at home
2015-10-23T03:17:28 < zyp> not very, as it turned out
2015-10-23T03:17:42 < zyp> then I found BGA was a good fit for this board: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/48xnA.JPG
2015-10-23T03:18:03 < zyp> but anyway
2015-10-23T03:18:13 < zyp> with 5/5 specs, can't you do 0.8mm just fine?
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2015-10-23T03:20:17 < zyp> 0.8mm is 31.5mil or so, 5/5 would leave 16mil as max pad diameter if you want to route between them, that should be plenty
2015-10-23T03:21:30 < zyp> diagonal it's 44.5 mil, so with 16mil pads you'll have 18mil left for vias
2015-10-23T03:21:54 < zyp> with 14mil pads you can do 20mil vias which should be fine
2015-10-23T03:23:12 < Bright> hmm
2015-10-23T03:24:02 < Bright> i probably won't try for it this time, when i don't need the pins
2015-10-23T03:24:18 < Bright> i have a hard enough time keeping myself motivated enough to finish a layout anywya
2015-10-23T03:24:33 < Bright> i hate making schematic symbols for every part
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2015-10-23T03:25:04 < zyp> hmm, the chip has 0.4mm diameter balls, i.e. 16mil, I think rule of thumb is that pad should be 75% of that, i.e. 12mil
2015-10-23T03:25:36 < zyp> so 0.8mm shouldn't be as doable on cheap specs as 1mm is
2015-10-23T03:27:24 < dongs> 0.8mm is fine on cheapspec
2015-10-23T03:27:34 < dongs> 5/5
2015-10-23T03:27:38 < zyp> that's what I just concluded
2015-10-23T03:27:41 < dongs> as long as you dont stick vias in every row
2015-10-23T03:27:57 < zyp> why?
2015-10-23T03:28:25 < dongs> oh i duno
2015-10-23T03:28:28 < dongs> im just awake
2015-10-23T03:28:29 < dongs> still stoned
2015-10-23T03:28:32 < dongs> maybe even vias is ok
2015-10-23T03:28:33 < zyp> hmm, this TFBGA216 pinout looks nice
2015-10-23T03:28:43 < dongs> is that some new stm32?
2015-10-23T03:28:48 < zyp> it's 15x15 balls, but middle nine is gone
2015-10-23T03:28:53 < zyp> f42x
2015-10-23T03:30:10 < zyp> so the balls forms six rings, inner ring is only ground, next ring is almost only vdd, so you dump both of those right into the inner planes, fan out outer two rings on top layer and middle two rings on bottom layer
2015-10-23T03:30:44 < zyp> i.e. easily fanned out on 4L without routing shit on the inner layers
2015-10-23T03:32:36 < zyp> dunno how easy it'd be to fit the decoupling caps on the bottom though, 0402 might fit in a neat way
2015-10-23T03:33:04 < dongs> i've seen some cheap BGA layout tekneeqs where bypass stuff was still on top layer
2015-10-23T03:33:16 < zyp> yeah, my lpc board did that
2015-10-23T03:33:25 < dongs> nah, there was a lot of bypass.
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2015-10-23T03:34:58 < zyp> this fpga board had few vias, so fitting shit on the bottom was easy
2015-10-23T03:35:03 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/kgGn6.png
2015-10-23T03:35:13 < dongs> ah rite
2015-10-23T03:36:22 < zyp> then of course, fpga is almost cheating due to easy pinswapping :p
2015-10-23T03:39:39 < zyp> hmm, yeah, I think 0402 would fit nicely across the vias for the inner two rings
2015-10-23T03:55:44 < karlp> zyp: yeah, the ADVreg I had missed, but I'm passed that, and was still getting stuck waiting on the ADRDY flag in ADC_ISR.
2015-10-23T03:55:57 < karlp> out of time tonight, ran into a bunch of rcc definitions to update
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2015-10-23T04:14:58 < Bright> what's good power conditioning for a supply derived from USB?
2015-10-23T04:16:12 < englishman> 1u ceramic cap
2015-10-23T04:16:21 < Bright> usually in the past i've thrown down a 10 uF tantalum in A case that i have a bunch of and a 0603 4.7u x5r
2015-10-23T04:16:31 < Bright> that's it?
2015-10-23T04:16:44 < englishman> i'm assuming youre using it to light a single led
2015-10-23T04:16:45 < englishman> so yes
2015-10-23T04:17:09 < Bright> oh
2015-10-23T04:17:11 < Bright> lol
2015-10-23T04:20:34 < kakimir> zyp: how was that bga installed?
2015-10-23T04:21:08 < zyp> I pressed it really hard until it got stuck there
2015-10-23T04:21:31 < zyp> I soldered it, duh
2015-10-23T04:21:54 < Bright> i thought that was what flux paste was for
2015-10-23T04:23:38 < kakimir> did you use ballz?
2015-10-23T04:23:48 < kakimir> did you pre solder pads?
2015-10-23T04:24:56 < zyp> uh, BGA chips always comes with balls
2015-10-23T04:24:58 < zyp> so yeah
2015-10-23T04:25:08 < zyp> but I used stencil and paste as well
2015-10-23T04:25:35 < zyp> the balls are solder, but they aren't intended to replace the solder paste completely
2015-10-23T04:25:46 < zyp> although you could probably get away with that if you flux the pads
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2015-10-23T05:28:40 < upgrdman_> mmm 1+ two just might be my next phone
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2015-10-23T05:29:12 < kakimir> first one is superb
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2015-10-23T05:29:28 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-23T05:29:31 < kakimir> for the price
2015-10-23T05:29:39 < upgrdman> and the dual sim will come in super handy for me.
2015-10-23T05:30:32 < ReadError> http://purplepcbs.oshpark.com/the-oshpark-difference.jpg
2015-10-23T05:30:35 < ReadError> giant pic
2015-10-23T05:30:43 < ReadError> but apparently this is how osh test fab houses
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2015-10-23T06:23:39 < upgrdman> ReadError, isn't that just more of a demo for why HASL is for entry level stuff?
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2015-10-23T06:34:28 < ReadError> upgrdman probably yea
2015-10-23T06:34:41 < ReadError> not sure why you would have a completely unmasked board either
2015-10-23T06:34:53 < upgrdman> for the lulz
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2015-10-23T06:44:51 < dongs> all i can tell from those pics is
2015-10-23T06:44:53 < dongs> fuck oshcock
2015-10-23T06:45:05 < dongs> never seen worse mask registration even at the cehapeste garbage chinafab
2015-10-23T06:45:20 < dongs> if their mask is liek 1mm off, they can fuck RIGHT OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
2015-10-23T07:02:00 < ReadError> osh is plenty good for a maker tard like me
2015-10-23T07:02:13 < ReadError> 10 days aint too bad for a couple boards
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2015-10-23T07:08:43 < jpa-> dongs: where is poor mask registration?
2015-10-23T07:09:06 < jpa-> second from left in top row?
2015-10-23T07:14:25 < ReadError> I guess today I see if/howbadly s.korea fucked me
2015-10-23T07:24:27 < dongs> jpa, all fucking over those pics
2015-10-23T07:24:48 < dongs> its like 2mm off
2015-10-23T07:24:49 < dongs> or osmeshit
2015-10-23T07:25:34 < jpa-> umm, how so?
2015-10-23T07:25:56 < jpa-> when comparing the pads at the edges, some of them are quite off in vertical direction, but more like 0.5mm off
2015-10-23T07:26:10 < dongs> i duno already closed
2015-10-23T07:26:18 < dongs> that pic is wank, boards look nasty as fuck
2015-10-23T07:26:22 < jpa-> the grid in the middle isn't even supposed to align
2015-10-23T07:26:30 < dongs> do they have gerbers for that shit somewhere i'll make them and show what a real pcb should look like
2015-10-23T07:26:37 < jpa-> you wank to nasty boards?
2015-10-23T07:30:40 < ReadError> what happened to that pcb printer kickstarter i wonder
2015-10-23T07:30:50 < dongs> > kickstarter
2015-10-23T07:30:53 < dongs> haven't delivered
2015-10-23T07:31:01 < dongs> or d elivered garbage
2015-10-23T07:32:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t5NJcu8Fj0
2015-10-23T07:32:35 < dongs> looks pretty HD
2015-10-23T07:32:44 < dongs> ooo 720p60 awesoem
2015-10-23T07:47:39 < dongs> attn upgrdman http://i.imgur.com/KhLVWxF.gifv
2015-10-23T07:48:19 < upgrdman> is that a real isis vid?
2015-10-23T07:48:24 < dongs> supposedly
2015-10-23T07:48:34 < dongs> finally they got s ome 240fps gobro blacks
2015-10-23T07:48:37 < dongs> or maybe some iphone 6s
2015-10-23T07:49:33 < dongs> http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/isis-iraq-execution-beheading-several-group-capture-spy/ sauce
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2015-10-23T08:16:52 < upgrdman> well that sucks :(
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2015-10-23T09:17:40 < dongs> englishman: got shorted on 22uF caps but found some by digging around
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2015-10-23T09:18:12 < dongs> will be DIPping tomrorow, no solder-in-holes fail this time
2015-10-23T09:19:13 < zyp> heh
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2015-10-23T09:56:18 < ReadError> lol dongs
2015-10-23T09:56:23 < ReadError> that doesnt look real
2015-10-23T09:56:34 < ReadError> the video is cut like some movie
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2015-10-23T11:05:29 < dongs> just shipped GD32F103 CB/C8 to zeptobars
2015-10-23T11:05:44 < dongs> and LGT8F88
2015-10-23T11:06:00 < dongs> gonna have a cloner sunday special
2015-10-23T11:06:07 < emeryth> dis gon b gud
2015-10-23T11:09:12 < dongs> i should ask him to dedicate the post to ReadError
2015-10-23T11:09:42 < ReadError> haha
2015-10-23T11:09:58 < ReadError> im not cloning anything
2015-10-23T11:10:09 < dongs> keep telling that to yourself
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2015-10-23T11:11:21 < ReadError> doesnt it need to be identical to something already produced to be a clone?
2015-10-23T11:11:53 < emeryth> the best clones are faster than originals
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2015-10-23T11:13:10 < dongs> yeah, both GD32 and L88 stuff is "improved" clones
2015-10-23T11:14:05 < PeterM> dongs, you ship them a stm32f103 so they could side by side?
2015-10-23T11:14:09 < dongs> of course
2015-10-23T11:14:13 < PeterM> noice
2015-10-23T11:14:54 < PeterM> i should ask em and ship em a few of LTs expensive high end DC-DC that i swear have micros in em
2015-10-23T11:15:02 < dongs> :D
2015-10-23T11:16:24 < PeterM> i have a few of these http://www.linear.com/product/LT8490 i'd like to know hwat its got in it
2015-10-23T11:17:16 < ReadError> gdamn
2015-10-23T11:17:18 < ReadError> 80v?
2015-10-23T11:17:39 < PeterM> i've used a few of these in projects http://www.linear.com/product/LT8705
2015-10-23T11:19:03 < PeterM> i reckon the mppt chip has a micro in it
2015-10-23T11:19:27 < jpa-> why?
2015-10-23T11:20:18 < ReadError> PeterM koreafab stuff should come today
2015-10-23T11:21:07 < PeterM> jpa-, it would be the easiest way
2015-10-23T11:21:19 < PeterM> ReadError, nice
2015-10-23T11:21:20 < jpa-> even if it has a microprocessor in it, it seems likely that it has hardcoded program instead of them paying for a flash process step
2015-10-23T11:21:37 < PeterM> jpa-, yes maskrom ofc
2015-10-23T11:21:46 < jpa-> not necessarily even mask
2015-10-23T11:22:20 < PeterM> but i would like to know if its done 100% analolg or digital + analog
2015-10-23T11:22:51 < jpa-> it says "ADC" right on the block diagram, so i would assume digital + analog
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2015-10-23T11:23:57 < Sync> the way to find out is to decap and stare at them
2015-10-23T11:24:39 < PeterM> actually.. i'd be even more interested if it is gate array or if micro
2015-10-23T11:25:15 < PeterM> interesting chip nontheless
2015-10-23T11:27:17 < Sync> I suppose gate array
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2015-10-23T11:53:23 < jpa-> PeterM: at which point does a "gate array" turn into a microprocessor?
2015-10-23T11:54:20 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-usb-analyzer/blob/master/fpga/repeat_filter.vhdl   is this a microprocessor or a gate array? ;)
2015-10-23T11:58:53 < zyp> I'd argue that that's just an FSM
2015-10-23T11:59:30 < jpa-> me probably also, but it is also pretty close to a microprocessor with a constant program
2015-10-23T12:00:34 < zyp> I prefer looking at it the other way around, a microprocessor is just a complex FSM
2015-10-23T12:01:25 < jpa-> i guess one could demand turing completeness and changeable program, but that would leave out ROM-based controllers and some DSPs also
2015-10-23T12:02:33 < zyp> jpa-, I was about to claim that you don't have an instruction decoder, but I guess this cmd is a sort of instruction
2015-10-23T12:02:46 < zyp> but you don't have control flow instructions, control flow is handled separately
2015-10-23T12:03:56 < jpa-> yeah - though if next_line_r came from the PacketBuffer block (which I guess you could say is similar to an ALU in non-special purpose systems), then one could claim it has control flow instructions
2015-10-23T12:04:13 < jpa-> even though that would only change the place where the same code is written
2015-10-23T12:04:57 < zyp> haha
2015-10-23T12:05:50 < zyp> you mention changeable program and ROM-based controllers, I don't see those as in conflict
2015-10-23T12:06:09 < jpa-> as the control flow changes are just "jump if status = 0" and "jump if status = 1", so would be trivial to add as instructions.. which would then make repeat_filter.vhdl as pure ROM
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2015-10-23T12:06:33 < zyp> I think the argument is more that the cpu is a separate module from the program memory, not that the program memory is rewriteable
2015-10-23T12:06:36 < jpa-> zyp: what if the ROM is synthetized instead of a separate block? in repeat_filter.vhdl, the program is changeable, you just need to resynthetize
2015-10-23T12:07:16 < jpa-> for tiny programs like that one, it is more efficient to synthetize the ROM as distributed logic gates instead of a centralized ROM block
2015-10-23T12:10:16 < jpa-> seems like it is a continuous distribution between CPUs and "not-CPUs"
2015-10-23T12:12:02 < zyp> yeah
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2015-10-23T12:14:25 < zyp> I could argue that it's not a cpu because those «memory entries» are not plain instructions
2015-10-23T12:15:40 < jpa-> "plain"?
2015-10-23T12:15:57 < zyp> but then you could argue it's an VLIW architecture where each instruction can encode both an alu command with an argument and a conditional branch
2015-10-23T12:16:21 < zyp> yeah, you have control flow logic mixed into it
2015-10-23T12:16:41 < jpa-> yeah - the if stuff etc.
2015-10-23T12:16:53 < jpa-> but as you said it would be easy to encode that as VLIW codewords instead
2015-10-23T12:17:26 < jpa-> and the resulting synthetized gates might even be 100% same if the optimizer is smart enough
2015-10-23T12:17:51 < zyp> true
2015-10-23T12:19:14 < zyp> but if you did that, you'd have an instruction decoder, now you just have a state machine with direct state transfer ;)
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2015-10-23T12:21:25 < jpa-> zyp: yeah - but it is a funny situation if the same IC can be considered either as CPU or as FSM depending on the source code that generated it :)
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2015-10-23T12:24:15 < zyp> jpa-, well, I'd argue that in that case, the optimization step took a cpu program and turned it into something that's not a CPU
2015-10-23T12:24:50 < zyp> just like there's other tools that can turn C code into HDL
2015-10-23T12:25:11 < zyp> blown, do you never write anything useful?
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2015-10-23T12:30:07 < jpa-> zyp: hm true, at the point where one assumes "smart enough optimizer", funny things happen :)
2015-10-23T12:35:04 < zyp> I'm not sure what you're asking
2015-10-23T12:35:55 < mitrax> hi guys, "Internal 8 MHz RC with x6 PLL option" for an STM32F051 that means i can go up to 48Mhz with the internal oscillator right?
2015-10-23T12:36:27 < zyp> anyway, since we're talking about PV, what's typical power output per area?
2015-10-23T12:37:05 < zyp> so around 50W per m2?
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2015-10-23T12:37:59 < zyp> 50W/m2 sounds kinda low, but idk
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2015-10-23T12:39:49 < jpa-> mitrax: AFAIK yes
2015-10-23T12:40:37 < zyp> hmm, I did a quick google search, I see a bunch of 250W 1.6m2 panels
2015-10-23T12:40:46 < zyp> idk how realistic those numbers are
2015-10-23T12:44:22 < jpa-> i've heard efficiency figures in 10-20% range, so that would give 100-200W/m^2 at optimal conditions - so 250W for 1.6m^2 in optimal conditions sounds reasonable, but will probably be closer to 100W in realistic conditions
2015-10-23T12:44:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U&feature=youtu.be
2015-10-23T12:47:14 < ReadError> trollsafe doors
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2015-10-23T13:03:11 < Sync> jpa-: 20% is cheapshit hardware
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2015-10-23T13:03:18 < Sync> 22-23% for good panels
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2015-10-23T13:04:23 < ReadError> is there a standard in naming gerbers
2015-10-23T13:04:38 < ReadError> i have a bunch like ck.gbr, sp.gbr etc
2015-10-23T13:04:47 < jpa-> Sync: huge difference
2015-10-23T13:04:54 < ReadError> some are obvious but some are duplicates
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2015-10-23T13:06:06 < Sync> well, it makes the difference jpa-
2015-10-23T13:06:21 < jpa-> does it?
2015-10-23T13:06:26 < Sync> yep
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2015-10-23T13:07:23 < jpa-> what difference? local electricity prices and government subsidies vary so much by area that 20 vs. 23% won't be the "price threshold" except for some very specific areas
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2015-10-23T13:08:35 < Sync> well, higher maximum efficiency means that they are a lot more efficient under partial light conditions
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2015-10-23T13:12:10 < jpa-> oh
2015-10-23T13:12:18 < jpa-> didn't know that
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2015-10-23T13:22:55 < trepidacious> ReadError: Even better! There are like 15 standards!
2015-10-23T13:23:12 < trepidacious> Well, conventions - seems to be based on what some arbitrary software from the 80s did :)
2015-10-23T13:23:39 < ReadError> im pressing buttons in camtastic now to try and get this stencil figured out
2015-10-23T13:24:02 < ReadError> I have 1 layer I need to subtract from another to remove the outline then remove some pads
2015-10-23T13:24:13 < ReadError> aint straightforward though
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2015-10-23T13:29:04 < trepidacious> Yup, gerbers can be a pain. Can you get your layout tool to just do it for you when it produces the gerbers?
2015-10-23T13:29:40 < ReadError> I didnt panelize
2015-10-23T13:34:42 < ReadError> camtastic is pretty bad too it seems, can barely render the gerbers w/o having to reset the view since it disappears
2015-10-23T13:35:28 < __rob> worst thing about it I find is the different controls for the viewport from altium!
2015-10-23T13:35:31 < __rob> its madness
2015-10-23T13:36:14 < ReadError> maybe ill have better luck with this cam350 demo
2015-10-23T14:05:13 < dongs> lots of chats occurred
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2015-10-23T14:06:53 < dongs> PeterM: lol that LTC trash is 20bux at digikey
2015-10-23T14:06:55 < dongs> such rip
2015-10-23T14:07:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XB7ttqo.gifv attn upgrdman
2015-10-23T14:09:32 < mitrax> fuck that was fast
2015-10-23T14:10:10 < jpa-> bitbucket down?
2015-10-23T14:10:15 < dongs> shitbucket
2015-10-23T14:10:24 < dongs> looks down to me
2015-10-23T14:10:32 < dongs> distributed sores codes my fucking ass
2015-10-23T14:10:42 < dongs> never host anything you actually want to keep "in the cloud"
2015-10-23T14:10:52 < dongs> unless you can deal with it being gone any second
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2015-10-23T14:32:06 < Laurenceb> dat matlab  http://pastie.org/10501715
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2015-10-23T14:32:47 < jpa-> y u no space
2015-10-23T14:33:14 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/4jB6FC62.html useless parts list
2015-10-23T14:34:49 < Laurenceb> nice troll poster http://i.imgur.com/nt5VDRC.jpg
2015-10-23T14:39:19 < kakimir> why all the fun is rape
2015-10-23T14:39:57 < Getty> This is genius: http://i2.wp.com/c.o0bg.com/rf/image_460w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/10/20/BostonGlobe.com/National/Images/21language_graphic_WEB-1547.jpg?resize=460%2C758
2015-10-23T14:40:23 < jpa-> Laurenceb: you have typo on line 13
2015-10-23T14:41:40 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-10-23T14:43:31 < Laurenceb> I didnt write this shit, its work shit
2015-10-23T14:43:56 < Laurenceb> 660 lines of matlab shit wtf
2015-10-23T14:44:25 < Laurenceb> lol trump at the bottom
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2015-10-23T15:05:57 < Laurenceb> http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/45371/1445365797/lolrofl.JPG
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2015-10-23T15:54:29 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-10-23T15:54:36 < Laurenceb> grr no emeb
2015-10-23T15:54:52 < Laurenceb> my matlab filter is unstable
2015-10-23T15:55:01 < Laurenceb> thats supposed to be impossible
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2015-10-23T16:13:19 < jubatus> is it legal to put a switch on the V+ of a USB device (leaving D+ D- and GND permanently connected) and using the switch to simulate eject/plug in the device ?
2015-10-23T16:14:43 < englishman> isnt that exactly what ST does internally, switches on and off the 1.5k pullup
2015-10-23T16:15:07 < englishman> er, different from what you said i guess
2015-10-23T16:15:31 < jubatus> englishman: where does ST do that ?
2015-10-23T16:17:51 < englishman> in the ones with better usb peripherals
2015-10-23T16:17:53 < englishman> like f405
2015-10-23T16:19:19 < englishman> Soft disconnect
2015-10-23T16:19:19 < englishman> The powered state can be exited by software with the soft disconnect feature. The DP pullup
2015-10-23T16:19:19 < englishman> resistor is removed by setting the soft disconnect bit in the device control register (SDIS
2015-10-23T16:19:19 < englishman> bit in OTG_FS_DCTL), causing a device disconnect detection interrupt on the host side
2015-10-23T16:19:20 < englishman> even though the USB cable was not really removed from the host port.
2015-10-23T16:20:16 < jubatus> great. disconnecting V+ should achieve exactly the same result. the pullups will not be sensed.
2015-10-23T16:20:45 < englishman> i don't see how that would trigger a host disconnect?
2015-10-23T16:21:02 < jubatus> englishman: the pullup resistor will no longer be in the circuit ?
2015-10-23T16:21:10 < jubatus> since its between V+ and D
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2015-10-23T16:21:13 < englishman> ah yea if you have one :)
2015-10-23T16:21:20 < englishman> need coffee
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2015-10-23T16:43:58 < Laurenceb> no its illegal
2015-10-23T16:44:01 < Laurenceb> you can go to prison
2015-10-23T16:46:52 < karlp> jubatus: that's how lots of usb hubs with switches work
2015-10-23T16:47:18 < karlp> note that disconnecting v+ only works to re-enumerate if your device is bus powered
2015-10-23T16:47:49 < jubatus> karlp: they do that for the connection to the host computer or do they do that to the downstream device ?
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2015-10-23T16:48:22 < jubatus> (I've never used a hub with switches)
2015-10-23T16:49:07 < karlp> there's only one connection to the host computer, I can't see any point in having a hub that cut off the upstream port...
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2015-10-23T17:20:30 < kakimir> anyone been in prison?
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2015-10-23T17:38:56 < jpa-> yeah, i was on a school tour once
2015-10-23T17:39:37 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/wb4OhVp.jpg
2015-10-23T17:39:40 < Laurenceb> I have
2015-10-23T17:44:13 < karlp> arduino in SPAAACE http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATmegaS128.aspx
2015-10-23T17:44:56 < Laurenceb> lol why
2015-10-23T17:46:21 < Sync> why not
2015-10-23T17:46:38 < Laurenceb> kakimir wants to explore the showers?
2015-10-23T17:47:33 < kakimir> only if we go to the same prison
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2015-10-23T18:04:18 < Tectu> ´The space market version´
2015-10-23T18:04:20 < Tectu> wut
2015-10-23T18:04:32 < Tectu> that wording
2015-10-23T18:04:35 < Tectu> or is it just me?
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2015-10-23T18:12:14 < Laurenceb> markets in space
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2015-10-23T19:25:18 < Laurenceb> lol wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_Batman_franchise
2015-10-23T19:31:47 < ReadError> theres homosexuality everywhere if you look hard enough
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2015-10-23T20:17:32 < Tectu> especially with links coming from Laurenceb
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2015-10-23T20:52:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKRHVadF9QN0hvU1U&usp=sharing started making a cart
2015-10-23T20:55:08 < kakimir> box shape and bearings inside lower retangle
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2015-10-23T20:56:17 < kakimir> then add seperate steel mesh with some horizontal struts welded to it on top of it
2015-10-23T20:59:32 < kakimir> as a hanger surface
2015-10-23T21:04:10 < kakimir> is there way to use label printer properly on linux?
2015-10-23T21:04:39 < kakimir> 9mm tape and 12mm tape
2015-10-23T21:04:42 < kakimir> etc.
2015-10-23T21:05:41 < kakimir> glabels seems to do labels out of bigger prints
2015-10-23T21:05:49 < kakimir> multiple labels at once
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2015-10-23T21:37:06 < jpa-> for typical label printers you can just   echo MyFunnyLabel > /dev/ttyS0
2015-10-23T21:45:18 < __rob> can anyone tell me, once i've copied my vector table into ram and mapped 0x0 to that
2015-10-23T21:45:45 < __rob> presumably I could have multiple tables and remap again at runtime ?
2015-10-23T21:45:59 < __rob> to a different offset?
2015-10-23T21:46:50 < kakimir> jpa-: it gives out text in normal size?
2015-10-23T21:47:05 < kakimir> how about 2line text?
2015-10-23T21:47:43 < kakimir> hah openpilot wants me to have a throttle channel
2015-10-23T21:47:58 < kakimir> enforces to pick one
2015-10-23T21:48:41 < jpa-> kakimir: manual should tell you the special command characters that switch modes
2015-10-23T21:49:13 < kakimir> how can such labelprinter work with simple commands
2015-10-23T21:49:25 < kakimir> isn't in fully graphical nowdays
2015-10-23T21:49:42 < kakimir> you place text in editor with font of your choise
2015-10-23T21:49:53 < kakimir> with exact size and place
2015-10-23T21:49:54 < jpa-> sure it can print graphics also
2015-10-23T21:50:04 < jpa-> but people want to hook the printers to all kinds of custom systems
2015-10-23T21:50:09 < jpa-> and doing text is always easier
2015-10-23T21:50:14 < jpa-> so it is supported
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2015-10-23T21:50:33 < kakimir> there is some primitive serial mode?
2015-10-23T21:50:38 < kakimir> sweet
2015-10-23T21:50:39 < jpa-> usually yeah
2015-10-23T21:50:50 < kakimir> that makes life actually easier
2015-10-23T21:50:56 < kakimir> just write that bla bla
2015-10-23T21:51:07 < jpa-> better check if docs are available before buying, though
2015-10-23T21:51:20 < kakimir> I already have one
2015-10-23T21:51:33 < kakimir> need to boot windows for it
2015-10-23T21:51:49 < jpa-> which model is it? how does it connect to pc?
2015-10-23T21:51:59 < kakimir> usb
2015-10-23T21:52:10 < jpa-> which usb id?
2015-10-23T21:52:47 < kakimir> brother pt9500
2015-10-23T21:53:17 < kakimir> had provided drivers by brother
2015-10-23T21:53:27 < kakimir> .deb 64bit binary
2015-10-23T21:53:49 < kakimir> appears as printer in printers page
2015-10-23T21:54:14 < jpa-> http://etc.nkadesign.com/uploads/Printers/95CRRASE.pdf
2015-10-23T21:55:11 < jpa-> looks like only graphics mode on that printer
2015-10-23T21:55:47 < jpa-> should be simple enough to make some handy python script to print labels, if going through the printer driver is too annoying
2015-10-23T21:55:48 < kakimir> crazy
2015-10-23T21:56:05 < kakimir> nope.. I boot windows
2015-10-23T21:56:23 < kakimir> sad there is no serial mode
2015-10-23T21:56:40 < kakimir> that would be useful for something
2015-10-23T21:57:47 < kakimir> small business something..
2015-10-23T21:58:18 < kakimir> having articles labeled and barcoded
2015-10-23T22:05:02 < jpa-> totally doable via the existing command interface
2015-10-23T22:05:15 < jpa-> apparently they just didn't bother putting fonts inside the machine anymore
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2015-10-23T22:20:48 < BrainDamage> stupid question, are those label printers thermal based like receipt printers?
2015-10-23T22:20:56 < BrainDamage> and can you swap that paper type for the other?
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2015-10-23T22:22:19 < aandrew> they're almost all thermal
2015-10-23T22:22:22 < jpa-> BrainDamage: most that i have seen are thermal, but not like receipt printers
2015-10-23T22:22:37 < jpa-> instead, they have separate "color ribbon" that they heat to transfer the ink to the label material
2015-10-23T22:22:54 < jpa-> whereas the receipts have material that just changes color when heated
2015-10-23T22:31:44 < zyp> my label printer ins thermal just like a receipt printer
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2015-10-23T22:32:19 < zyp> I believe large paper labels, like shipping labels usually are like that
2015-10-23T22:32:51 < zyp> while those small plastic label printers have a separate color ribbon
2015-10-23T22:33:51 < zyp> they usually have two layers of plastic so that the ink is sitting protected under a transparent top layer
2015-10-23T22:34:44 < zyp> oh, and I think they actually sell paper rolls without adhesive backing for my label printer
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2015-10-23T22:46:46 < kakimir> doin openpilot setup.. looks promising
2015-10-23T22:47:28 < kakimir> I wonder if I should have throttle input to the board to mess with stabilization parameters in real time
2015-10-23T22:48:34 < kakimir> throttle affects directly rudder and elevator
2015-10-23T22:49:30 < kakimir> okay there is such thing as integral windup that can cause problems
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2015-10-23T22:49:43 < kakimir> if no low throttle info
2015-10-23T22:49:49 < kakimir> to zero integral
2015-10-23T22:51:38 < ReadError> kakimir, fuck
2015-10-23T22:51:40 < ReadError> TL
2015-10-23T22:51:44 < ReadError> dont use OP
2015-10-23T22:55:23 < Laurenceb__> hehe
2015-10-23T22:55:25 < Laurenceb__> taulabs
2015-10-23T22:56:48 < kakimir> what is taulabs
2015-10-23T22:57:06 < kakimir> I'm on their channel and I still don't actually know but they do stuff
2015-10-23T22:58:20 < Laurenceb__> lolol
2015-10-23T22:59:02 < Laurenceb__> are you trying to do fixed wing?
2015-10-23T22:59:35 < Laurenceb__> iirc they are obsessed with quadcopters on there
2015-10-23T23:00:43 < kakimir> taulabs?
2015-10-23T23:00:49 < kakimir> aren't everybody
2015-10-23T23:01:22 < kakimir> I want that ugly ass quad off my flight data screen
2015-10-23T23:02:19 < Laurenceb__> openpilot at least had a few decent fixed wing devs
2015-10-23T23:02:25 < Laurenceb__> and pitot support
2015-10-23T23:02:50 < kakimir> even pitot?
2015-10-23T23:03:10 < kakimir> nice
2015-10-23T23:03:15 < kakimir> how to input it?
2015-10-23T23:03:37 < kakimir> I don't like cleanflight idea of user interface
2015-10-23T23:03:55 < kakimir> to make it run on chrome app interface
2015-10-23T23:05:12 < kakimir> but I guess there is some performance and feature advances
2015-10-23T23:06:38 < Laurenceb__> probably have to recompile the firmware
2015-10-23T23:07:13 < Laurenceb__> most users use one of the "supported" boards, so you can download a pre built binary
2015-10-23T23:07:35 < Laurenceb__> when I last looked it was a bit of a disaster zone, but aiui its more organised now
2015-10-23T23:07:45 < Laurenceb__> so there are only a few files to edit to add new sensors
2015-10-23T23:45:35 < karlp> emeb: zyp: my f3 adc problem las tnight was the adc clock source.  I'd left the ADC_CCR.CKMODE to 0, to use the raw async PLL clock, but you still need to _also_ set the RCC_CFGR2.ADCxxPRESC to a valid prescaler.
2015-10-23T23:47:22 < zyp> ah
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2015-10-23T23:59:12 < karlp> wat, there's no ADC1_IN0 on f3?!  PA0 is ADC1_IN1.
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2015-10-24T00:00:09 < karlp> and docs say 5 fast (IN1..IN5) and 10 slow (IN5..IN15)
2015-10-24T00:00:12 < karlp> those overlap yo
2015-10-24T00:00:41 < emeb> karlp: never tried that.
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2015-10-24T00:00:46 < emeb> what's the advantage?
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2015-10-24T00:02:43 < karlp> woops.
2015-10-24T00:02:51 < karlp> so yeah, f3, fun, "Note: Analog input channel 0 is not mapped: value “00000” should not be used"
2015-10-24T00:03:23 < karlp> so weird.
2015-10-24T00:05:28 < emeb> I'd noticed that the mux was not zero-based.
2015-10-24T00:05:35 < emeb> wondered about it briefly
2015-10-24T00:05:48 < karlp> just annoying for writing code that runs on multiple boards.
2015-10-24T00:06:03 < karlp> pa0 is now channel 1 on f3, channel 0 everywher else.
2015-10-24T00:06:26 < emeb> After a lot of testing on various versions of STM32 it seems that the F3xx processors have particularly good analog.
2015-10-24T00:06:37 < karlp> well, that is the point right? :)
2015-10-24T00:06:43 < emeb> the ADC values don't show nearly as much jitter as on the other parts.
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2015-10-24T00:07:24 < emeb> I've been able to use the SDADC on the F37x for audio with reasonably good results.
2015-10-24T00:08:01 < karlp> I'm just trying to get the api somewhat common for libopencm3 and test that it actually works. the register set is the same for f0 and l0 and l4,
2015-10-24T00:08:08 < mitrax> karlp: do you think i could run into problems if i have two ISL83483 connected together without a 120 Ohms cable or 120 resistor? it's a bit of a weird configuration, i have 2 boards within a single device that communicates with RS485, but they can also be connected to other external RS485 device
2015-10-24T00:08:29 < karlp> 120ohm cable? what? just get any old wire.
2015-10-24T00:08:45 < karlp> the 120ohm terminator is "for maximum perfection" but not needed normally.
2015-10-24T00:08:58 < emeb> karlp: oh neat - you're trying to cleanup/unify some of the STM32 stuff for libopencm3?
2015-10-24T00:09:00 < karlp> depends whether you're making the master or the slave device too.
2015-10-24T00:09:05 < emeb> seems like a fine thing to do.
2015-10-24T00:09:27 < karlp> emeb: yeah, we've made progress with usb recently, but still a lot to go, I'm poking at some of the adc stuff now.
2015-10-24T00:09:29 < mitrax> karlp: it's multipoint, half duplex, 2 wires, so no single master
2015-10-24T00:09:45 < karlp> mitrax: well, the termination only goes on one end
2015-10-24T00:09:56 < karlp> and the bias only goes one the line once too
2015-10-24T00:10:02 < karlp> so decide which one's going to be,
2015-10-24T00:10:10 < karlp> or make them switchable, like you'll see on some "pro" devices
2015-10-24T00:10:26 < karlp> emeb: s/fine thing to do/massive time suck/g but yeah
2015-10-24T00:10:52 < karlp> mitrax: I keep forgetting you're into your multi master thing :)
2015-10-24T00:11:19 < emeb> karlp: no one said it would be easy :)
2015-10-24T00:13:00 < mitrax> karlp: the problem is i'd like to avoid having to plug a terminator on the device when it's used alone (but inside that device there are two boards that communicates with RS485), see it as a box with 2 boards that have RS485 connected together *and* to an external plug, the second board is like an additional node before the plug
2015-10-24T00:13:18 < karlp> mitrax: for 99.9% of the day, you won't ever need the terminator
2015-10-24T00:13:29 < karlp> unless you're at high bauds and long distances
2015-10-24T00:13:36 < mitrax> okay then, nice :)
2015-10-24T00:13:45 < mitrax> thanks
2015-10-24T00:15:38 < karlp> sounds like you've built a nice complicated toy :)
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2015-10-24T00:19:01 < Laurenceb__> emeb: I get 12bits out of the ADC on F103
2015-10-24T00:19:02 < mitrax> karlp: ahah, well it's a device that exists in multiple versions, one is "standalone" and has a touchscreen, one has no touchscreen (but needs a control box), and one is a control box with touchscreen only, the touchscreen communicates with RS485
2015-10-24T00:19:04 < Laurenceb__> cant complain
2015-10-24T00:19:18 < Laurenceb__> but F3 ADC is also crazy fast, so its even better :P
2015-10-24T00:19:24 < mitrax> karlp: so yeah ... it sounds fucked up but i haven't found any simpler solution
2015-10-24T00:19:27 < Laurenceb__> then compare to AVR ADC... :P
2015-10-24T00:19:48 < emeb> Laurenceb__: do anything special on the layout & supplies for the F103?
2015-10-24T00:20:21 < Laurenceb__> yeah I spent a lot of time on it
2015-10-24T00:20:41 < Laurenceb__> lots of decoupling, good ground place, then dedicated LDO for the ADC
2015-10-24T00:20:52 < emeb> main thing I've noticed is that the F4xx parts have *horrible* noise on the ADCs. So bad that they've got errata about it.
2015-10-24T00:21:10 < ds2> how do you test that you got 12bits out of the ADC?
2015-10-24T00:21:12 < Laurenceb__> lipo -> SEPIC to 3.5v, then -> ldo to 3.3v
2015-10-24T00:21:19 < Laurenceb__> tons of pi filters inbetween
2015-10-24T00:21:23 < emeb> yeah - gnd planes, lotsa decoupling and separate LDO is all stuff I've done.
2015-10-24T00:21:38 < emeb> doesn't help on F4.
2015-10-24T00:21:55 < Laurenceb__> ds2: I've got a board temperature thermistor, it gives qantised values
2015-10-24T00:22:01 < Laurenceb__> which is actually really annoying
2015-10-24T00:22:16 < Laurenceb__> yeah I dont get good ADC performance on my F4 boards
2015-10-24T00:22:24 < Laurenceb__> but newer F4 is much much better
2015-10-24T00:22:29 < Laurenceb__> still not as good as F103
2015-10-24T00:22:35 < emeb> Yep.
2015-10-24T00:22:43 < ds2> how does that tell you there is 12bits of usable info (vs just having 1/2^12 steps of noise)
2015-10-24T00:22:52 < emeb> F7 is pretty noisy too but I haven't studied it closely yet.
2015-10-24T00:23:12 < Laurenceb__> ds2: huh?
2015-10-24T00:23:32 < Laurenceb__> I mean that oversampling fails as there is too much quantisation
2015-10-24T00:23:43 < Laurenceb__> that tells you that the ADC is >=12bits
2015-10-24T00:24:02 < ds2> ah... that's how you identify it is signal and not noise
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2015-10-24T00:24:35 < ds2> (vs the AM3358 with its "12 bit" ADC that has about 10 bits uf useful info :(
2015-10-24T00:24:37 < ds2> )
2015-10-24T00:25:08 < emeb> Laurenceb__: just add some dither noise on purpose!
2015-10-24T00:25:30 < emeb> +/-1lsb is all you need.
2015-10-24T00:27:31 < Laurenceb__> yeah I could overclock the ADC
2015-10-24T00:27:52 < Laurenceb__> but then i start to lose performance on the other channels where I have noisy analogue on the front
2015-10-24T00:28:52 < Laurenceb__> so I had to make do with quantised temperature (board temperature is only used for diagnostics and battery monitoring so shrug)
2015-10-24T00:31:47 < ds2> why does one need that accurate of a temperature (or is the sensor generating very wide range of signals)?
2015-10-24T00:33:04 < Laurenceb__> the sensor is a hacked together solution using just a thermistor and 10K resistor
2015-10-24T00:33:25 < Laurenceb__> so the PCB needs to swing from like 100C to -100C to use full ADC range
2015-10-24T00:34:52 < ds2> ohhhh
2015-10-24T00:35:08 < ds2> seem silly to need 1/4096 deg resolution ;)
2015-10-24T00:38:35 < karlp> Laurenceb__: what was wrong with th eonboard temp sensor? it has the calibration data, how fine do you need it?
2015-10-24T00:39:35 < Laurenceb__> well ~0.1C is ok, I was just trying to fo overkill
2015-10-24T00:45:00 < karlp> oh, that good, nvm them :)
2015-10-24T00:55:47 < Laurenceb__> sometimes I lose sanity and try to get temperature as a float
2015-10-24T00:55:48 < Laurenceb__> there are probably ways to pull out the exact temperature even when there is less than 1 bit of noise
2015-10-24T01:12:56 < Laurenceb__> http://microelectronics.esa.int/conferences/mesa2010/06_S2_1120_ASTRIUM_GmbH_Andreas_Schuettauf.pdf
2015-10-24T01:13:00 < Laurenceb__> why u use avr
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2015-10-24T02:07:23 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Eiar3MPck&feature=youtu.be&t=6027
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2015-10-24T03:18:41 < Laurenceb_> holy shit irony overload
2015-10-24T03:18:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.facebook.com/uclcdb
2015-10-24T03:25:47 < Steffanx> but science ..
2015-10-24T03:26:28 < Laurenceb_> scientific difference between men and women
2015-10-24T03:26:35 < Laurenceb_> thats just scientific sexism
2015-10-24T03:27:28 < Laurenceb_> followed down the page by tim hunt
2015-10-24T03:27:39 < Laurenceb_> http://screenagers.me/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chestswell.jpg
2015-10-24T03:27:41 < Steffanx> new gamergate style episode, yay
2015-10-24T03:27:43 < Laurenceb_> reminds me of that
2015-10-24T03:27:58 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ will be obsessed by it for the next few monts now
2015-10-24T03:28:06 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-24T03:30:11 < Laurenceb_> dude I dont do gamergate
2015-10-24T03:30:12 < Laurenceb_> too much zano and emdrive to have time for that
2015-10-24T03:30:14 < Laurenceb_> gamergate is just zano for MRAs
2015-10-24T03:31:33 < Steffanx> i remember quite a few gamergate links here ;)
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2015-10-24T03:32:03 < Steffanx> but perhaps you were indeed too busy with zano and emdrive to longer post links to gamergate crap :P
2015-10-24T03:32:52 < Steffanx> one can only manage so many subjects at once.
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2015-10-24T03:36:12 < kakimir> q
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2015-10-24T03:44:45 < karlp> aandrew: that's some dedicated listening just to get to that
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2015-10-24T03:52:56 < aandrew> actually I watch his videos in the background while I work
2015-10-24T03:53:07 < aandrew> I like watching him repair mac prodcuts and bitch about it the whole time
2015-10-24T03:55:06 < kakimir> dont you think hes.. a bit.. mac fag?
2015-10-24T03:55:54 < kakimir> and bitches a lot
2015-10-24T03:56:55 < kakimir> sleep tim>
2015-10-24T04:12:42 < aandrew> actually he dislikes using macs
2015-10-24T04:12:49 < aandrew> he just likes fixing them because he seems to make a decent living on it
2015-10-24T04:12:54 < aandrew> he uses linux/windows
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2015-10-24T05:15:48 < ReadError> dongs dongs dongs
2015-10-24T05:23:07 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/bWEpKQy.gifv
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2015-10-24T05:37:21 < upgrdman> dongs, https://youtu.be/CnbxO7P7Xnk?t=17
2015-10-24T05:42:42 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/qHUgJ
2015-10-24T05:43:12 < ReadError> rfc
2015-10-24T05:43:25 < ReadError> er
2015-10-24T05:43:33 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/AfUpR
2015-10-24T05:43:34 < ReadError> them
2015-10-24T05:48:22 < upgrdman> nice looking silk
2015-10-24T05:49:00 < ReadError> yea very pleased with that
2015-10-24T05:49:17 < ReadError> would have liked to had gotten ENIG but this is their special offer panel thing
2015-10-24T05:52:30 < upgrdman> who?
2015-10-24T05:53:01 < ReadError> quickturn korea
2015-10-24T05:53:20 < ReadError> overall a good experience, will use again
2015-10-24T05:53:31 < upgrdman> price?
2015-10-24T05:53:41 < ReadError> 100$ for 4 panels (4L)
2015-10-24T05:53:48 < upgrdman> 50mm?
2015-10-24T05:53:51 < ReadError> qty 36 of 36x36mm
2015-10-24T05:54:06 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-10-24T05:54:08 < ReadError> 9 per panel
2015-10-24T05:54:17 < ReadError> I think osh is like, $22.something for 3
2015-10-24T05:54:50 < upgrdman> i need to try dirtypcb's 4L service and see if the mask/silk registation is a shit as their 2L service
2015-10-24T05:55:03 < upgrdman> cause theyre cheap as fuck
2015-10-24T05:55:13 < ReadError> it bad ;/
2015-10-24T05:55:19 < ReadError> but cheap for sure
2015-10-24T05:55:28 < ReadError> smartproto wasnt too bad
2015-10-24T05:55:39 < upgrdman> you tried dpcb's 4L or just their 2L?
2015-10-24T05:56:06 < ReadError> seen plenty
2015-10-24T05:56:10 < upgrdman> o ok
2015-10-24T05:56:15 < ReadError> 1 sec ill get some pics of the smartproto 4l
2015-10-24T05:56:20 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-24T06:00:49 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/2TYbR1N.png
2015-10-24T06:01:57 < upgrdman> :/
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2015-10-24T06:26:49 < upgrdman> anyone know of a power bar with individual switches per outlet, that does NOT use rocker switches? when i was in china there was tons of power bars with latching push button switches per outlet... fucking awesome.
2015-10-24T06:32:30 < zyp> for which socket type?
2015-10-24T06:33:31 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-10-24T06:39:26 < ReadError> dongs how do you rate the korea fab?
2015-10-24T06:41:09 < dongs> looks OK, you newb'd the fuck out wiht those thermal'd vias tho
2015-10-24T06:41:18 < dongs> and looks like you fucked up the silk mirroring, lolz
2015-10-24T06:41:44 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/AfUpR
2015-10-24T06:41:53 < ReadError> not the 1st one link
2015-10-24T06:42:02 < ReadError> 1st link gallery I took with photobooth
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2015-10-24T06:42:15 < ReadError> which doesnt mirror usb microscope cam
2015-10-24T06:42:25 < dongs> are you sure
2015-10-24T06:42:39 < dongs> cuz that looks like reversed silk to me
2015-10-24T06:42:42 < ReadError> check link i just post
2015-10-24T06:42:53 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/nKrwfvj.png ?
2015-10-24T06:43:32 < zyp> haha, thermalled vias
2015-10-24T06:43:45 < ReadError> which are you talking about?
2015-10-24T06:43:50 < dongs> pro newb cloner
2015-10-24T06:43:53 < dongs> is wat we're talkin about
2015-10-24T06:43:55 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/2TYbR1N.png
2015-10-24T06:44:09 < ReadError> oh ya
2015-10-24T06:44:20 < ReadError> i learned how to make it direct connect to vias
2015-10-24T06:44:26 < ReadError> but not pads
2015-10-24T06:44:35 < ReadError> (after i ordered those smart proto boards)
2015-10-24T06:44:56 < Getty> Did someone of you watched "Gerry"?
2015-10-24T06:45:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/suhmiz5.png <-- fixed
2015-10-24T06:45:43 < Getty> Noone? Thats good....
2015-10-24T06:47:53 < dongs> Their group has been working with drones since 2010, they have been in the "Aerospace and Defence Technology sector since 2008, Torquing Group Ltd has built a reputation as one of the most innovative and forward thinking Unmanned Aerial System research and development companies in the world", the Zano was "up and flying" and yet here we are - 12k backers and 2 million dollars later without anything to show for it.
2015-10-24T06:48:05 < dongs> I'm going to predict the future - TG will push out the Zano to everyone, it'll be a disastrous product that falls well below listed goals and expectations, and they will simply leave everyone holding the bag. There will be no future development, no additional software add-ons, no promised future enhancements ..
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2015-10-24T06:50:28 < upgrdman> are the zano forums back online?
2015-10-24T06:50:49 < upgrdman> or still trolling due to outage
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2015-10-24T06:56:10 < dongs> nope
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2015-10-24T07:00:27 < ReadError> so did they fake this outage
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2015-10-24T07:00:34 < ReadError> just to take down the forums?
2015-10-24T07:12:37 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12038443_10153144347160913_1076566611478196983_n.jpg?oh=b50e5b895f2d27174c81baa03e499848&oe=56C13A02
2015-10-24T07:12:43 < dongs> glow in the ass looks like shit
2015-10-24T07:12:55 < dongs> that wissel fucktard started a new forum @ zanoforums.com
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2015-10-24T07:46:09 < emeb_mac> dongs: got an inquiry today from some startup that wants to do aircraft transponders for drones.
2015-10-24T07:46:31 < emeb_mac> saw my ADS-B project and wondered if I'd help 'em out.
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2015-10-24T08:07:49 < dongs> cool
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2015-10-24T08:08:01 < dongs> emeb_mac: tell them you've got 20 years of military drone experience
2015-10-24T08:08:06 < dongs> and list torquing robotis as referfence
2015-10-24T08:08:14 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-10-24T08:08:40 < dongs> over 20 years
2015-10-24T08:10:24 < emeb_mac> sounded like they wanted to hire a full time pos'n. not interested.
2015-10-24T08:10:28 < dongs> https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/Wing-Commander-Digital lol
2015-10-24T08:12:15 < Roklobsta> emeb_mac: url me your adsb project please
2015-10-24T08:12:21 < dongs> its on his site
2015-10-24T08:12:35 < Roklobsta> which is?...
2015-10-24T08:12:38 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/f373_mod/index.html
2015-10-24T08:12:40 < dongs> somewehre in here
2015-10-24T08:12:56 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/index.html
2015-10-24T08:12:57 < dongs> probably here
2015-10-24T08:13:03 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/adsb-cape/index.html yes this.
2015-10-24T08:13:06 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-10-24T08:15:14 < Roklobsta> emeb_mac: nice.  is the modcan stuff popular?
2015-10-24T08:16:16 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: Modcan is a "boutique" outfit. They don't sell huge quantity, but it is well regarded.
2015-10-24T08:17:08 < Roklobsta> i can imagine some people would rather twiddle real synth knobs and patch cables than do everything in some vst
2015-10-24T08:18:06 < dongs> UDEMY_CREATE_AND_DESIGN_YOUR_OWN_ARDUINO_NANO_IN_ALTIUM_DESIGNER_TUTORIAL-kEISO
2015-10-24T08:29:33 < dongs> https://www.udemy.com/real-world-guide-to-hardware-design/ attn
2015-10-24T08:30:38 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: yes - modulars synths are coming back in style in a big way
2015-10-24T08:31:32 < emeb_mac> the Euro-rack format is reasonably inexpensive and easy to use compared to the old huge systems from the 60s & 70s
2015-10-24T08:32:44 < Roklobsta> do you use fixed or float maths?
2015-10-24T08:33:01 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: depends on the project.
2015-10-24T08:33:49 < emeb_mac> Some of them are done in fixed pt on low-end processors (STM32F1xx), but for audio DSP I've used F3xx and F4xx with floating pt.
2015-10-24T08:36:03 < Roklobsta> emeb_mac: any well knows music using your synh stuff?
2015-10-24T08:37:21 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: I couldn't point out specific tracks that have identifiable sounds from things I've worked on. There are a fair number of well-known artists who have systems that I've done work on tho.
2015-10-24T08:37:44 < Roklobsta> eh being canadian how about skinny puppy guys?
2015-10-24T08:38:11 < upgrdman> anyone know of a review site for tvs/monitors that isn't a bunch of emotional bullshit? like legit reviews?
2015-10-24T08:38:19 < upgrdman> tempted to buy a big ass 4k tv
2015-10-24T08:39:03 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: cEvin Key has a pretty good sized Euro system and I know he's got some of my stuff.
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2015-10-24T10:05:03 < dongs> upgrdman: you can just buy whatever, shit is cheap enough now
2015-10-24T10:05:23 < dongs> anything that doesnt sound legit probably isnt
2015-10-24T10:05:27 < dongs> i.e. '480hz refresh rate' type trash
2015-10-24T10:05:47 < dongs> http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN60F6400AFXZA < lol
2015-10-24T10:05:49 < dongs> eh wat
2015-10-24T10:05:50 < dongs> 404
2015-10-24T10:06:39 < dongs> samdung own site said 480hz, everything else says 120
2015-10-24T10:15:44 < ds2> thought the cape doesnt work?
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2015-10-24T10:58:40 < dongs> it does
2015-10-24T10:58:42 < dongs> also
2015-10-24T10:58:52 < dongs> thats not stopping him from claiming 20 years of military ads-b experience
2015-10-24T10:58:57 < dongs> all he has to do is link to kickstarter
2015-10-24T11:03:35 < Roklobsta> Do you think another drone project that is nothing more than a glorified flying selfie stick will fly on kickstarter?
2015-10-24T11:03:58 < Roklobsta> seems like a good way to make 2.5mill. squid.
2015-10-24T11:09:00 < dongs> um
2015-10-24T11:09:05 < dongs> there's already like 5 similar ones
2015-10-24T11:09:14 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/micro-drone-3-0-flight-in-the-palm-of-your-hand--2
2015-10-24T11:09:18 < dongs> check this trahs out lol
2015-10-24T11:09:53 < dongs> there's also flybi, nixie, airdog, um.. that toss-to-launch one with a smiley face on it
2015-10-24T11:09:56 < dongs> etc
2015-10-24T11:09:59 < dongs> lucy?
2015-10-24T11:10:01 < dongs> or someshit liek that
2015-10-24T11:10:13 < dongs> the microdrone is a straight up china resell
2015-10-24T11:10:22 < dongs> its some hubsan electronics with custom plastics
2015-10-24T11:10:33 < dongs> hubsan or cheerson shit
2015-10-24T11:10:40 < dongs> even camera module is separate which is how you can tell its chinese stuff
2015-10-24T11:10:51 < dongs> $40 china wifidrone -> $180 on indienono
2015-10-24T11:11:12 < Roklobsta> a fool and his money are easily arted.
2015-10-24T11:11:14 < Roklobsta> parted
2015-10-24T11:11:18 < dongs> definitely
2015-10-24T11:12:43 < ReadError> these guys on sharktank
2015-10-24T11:12:49 < ReadError> just got 1.5mil and 5 sharks
2015-10-24T11:12:56 < ReadError> http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/x-craft-drones-shark-tank-products-episodes-season-7/
2015-10-24T11:13:01 < ReadError> kickstarter thing
2015-10-24T11:13:27 < dongs> 'inventor'
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2015-10-24T11:13:55 < dongs> err
2015-10-24T11:13:56 < Roklobsta> are there any drones with the usual 4 lifting motors and then say, 4 perpendicularly mounted motors to provide extra lateral acceleration and speed?
2015-10-24T11:13:57 < dongs> isnt that quadshot
2015-10-24T11:15:49 < dongs> Roklobsta: quadshot did this
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2015-10-24T11:16:03 < Roklobsta> just foudn it on youtube
2015-10-24T11:16:05 < Roklobsta> nice
2015-10-24T11:16:22 < Roklobsta> lie the USNavy's old school VTOL osprey, sorta.
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2015-10-24T11:17:42 < Roklobsta> What a bunch of innovative innovators innovating.
2015-10-24T11:17:51 < kakimir> you can start a quad project and be called an inventor
2015-10-24T11:18:12 < dongs> i think you missed a 't in that sentence
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2015-10-24T11:20:37 < kakimir> it's like calling a waitress as a chef
2015-10-24T11:22:11 < Roklobsta> or R2COM a chef.
2015-10-24T11:23:34 < kakimir> I bet you could make little town news as a inventor by just buying one and saying you made it ypuself
2015-10-24T11:25:43 < Roklobsta> kakimir: my little town paper was all over his guy and his invention.  It's all collapsed spectacularly though with millions owing.  http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s3138607.htm
2015-10-24T11:26:17 < dongs> freshdicks
2015-10-24T11:26:55 < dongs> what the fuck was his invention? sticking a kuka arm on garbage disposal truck?
2015-10-24T11:27:26 < Roklobsta> yeah.  innovator!
2015-10-24T11:27:52 < Roklobsta> picked up the bins and hosed them out.  I saw it in action when the local council tried it for a while.
2015-10-24T11:29:00 < Roklobsta> But i think freshening dirty wheelie bins is really up there on the scale of 1st world problems.
2015-10-24T11:29:11 < dongs> ohw what the fuck
2015-10-24T11:29:12 < dongs> watching video
2015-10-24T11:29:16 < dongs> its not even a garbage truck?
2015-10-24T11:29:20 < dongs> its JUST to clean the fucking bins?
2015-10-24T11:29:40 < Roklobsta> nah, some isuzu thing with a robot arm.
2015-10-24T11:30:37 < dongs> Using ozone as a steriliser, FreshBins recycles water and amazingly uses just 63 mL to clean each bin.
2015-10-24T11:31:21 < Roklobsta> if you stuck the canadian flag on it and called it the canadarm2 they'd be ranting about it for the next 30 years in canadian primary schools as the pinnacle of human acheivement.
2015-10-24T11:32:20 < Roklobsta> need more than 63mL to clean my putrid bin.  fuck knows what grey crap is plastered to the bottom of it.
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2015-10-24T12:39:48 < timemob> http://pastebin.com/rnry4T9b
2015-10-24T12:40:08 < timemob> lold
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2015-10-24T12:57:58 < ReadError> heh
2015-10-24T12:58:14 < ReadError> if you mix up the 22R and 22K resistors, usb wont enumerate
2015-10-24T12:58:19 < ReadError> who woulda thunk
2015-10-24T12:59:03 < ReadError> better question is, why the hell do i have 22k resistors
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2015-10-24T13:04:24 < karlp> ReadError: heh, yeah, I had a "why isn't this enumerating?" that was caused by 100nF caps on the d+/d- lines. for "reasons"
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2015-10-24T13:22:59 < dongs> karlp: you invented USB3 before it was even out
2015-10-24T13:23:50 < Taxman> karlp: Our schematic department usually added 100nF caps between G and S at power mosfets for emi reasons
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2015-10-24T13:26:05 < Tectu> reminds me of our layouting guy who, four times in a row (but in four different projects) managed to place the microSD card socket the wrong way around
2015-10-24T13:26:08 < Tectu> EACH TIME!
2015-10-24T13:26:23 < dongs> must be using kikecad
2015-10-24T13:26:43 < Tectu> P-CAD
2015-10-24T13:26:51 < Tectu> in 2015...
2015-10-24T13:27:01 < dongs> still better than eagle
2015-10-24T13:27:03 < dongs> ^_-
2015-10-24T13:27:05 < Tectu> hah
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2015-10-24T13:27:52 < Taxman> eagle runs under linux
2015-10-24T13:28:03 < dongs> not sure where you're heading with that
2015-10-24T13:28:06 < Tectu> so?
2015-10-24T13:28:07 < dongs> <shit> runs under <shit>
2015-10-24T13:28:31 < dongs> nobody serious uses lunix for EDA
2015-10-24T13:28:38 < Taxman> i do
2015-10-24T13:28:46 < Taxman> you use windoze?
2015-10-24T13:28:46 < dongs> keyword was "serious"
2015-10-24T13:28:51 < dongs> arduino shields dont count
2015-10-24T13:28:53 < Taxman> serious
2015-10-24T13:29:12 < Taxman> i don't have arduino fuck at home
2015-10-24T13:29:33 < Tectu> but at work?
2015-10-24T13:29:50 < Taxman> everything under 256 UBGA does not count
2015-10-24T13:30:30 < Taxman> i do not develop arduino stuff. but it seems to be popular. ST showed a dozen arduino shields
2015-10-24T13:31:16 < Tectu> and none of the ST engineers would approve it, I am sure
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2015-10-24T13:32:09 < dongs> i duno about that
2015-10-24T13:32:19 < dongs> ST is currently cock-deep in developing timecube trash
2015-10-24T13:32:27 < dongs> they're fucking killing all their new product families
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2015-10-24T13:32:47 < dongs> i wouldn't recommend F42x/F7/L2/etc stuff to anyone sane
2015-10-24T13:32:48 < Taxman> the cubeMX runs under linux also. but it does not work perfectly. ST admitted this at the F7 workshop
2015-10-24T13:33:01 < dongs> who gives a fuck what cubemx runs under
2015-10-24T13:33:09 < dongs> the hal/cube aids is fucking unusable shit
2015-10-24T13:33:15 < dongs> only lunix fgts would ever wanna use it in the first place
2015-10-24T13:33:20 < Taxman> at the moment yes
2015-10-24T13:33:26 < dongs> it has no possible fixing
2015-10-24T13:33:29 < dongs> because the concept is flawed
2015-10-24T13:33:39 < dongs> the only "fix" would be its complete removal
2015-10-24T13:33:40 < Tectu> dongs, I am sure that most of the things that are awesome these days didn´t start to be awesome and perfect the first time
2015-10-24T13:34:37 < dongs> just sneezed and farted at same time. takes skill
2015-10-24T13:34:39 < dongs> bbl
2015-10-24T13:34:52 < Taxman> dongs: Lets assume a F20 CPU with 10x the complexity of todays F7. I am sure you do the pin planning with excel sheet and code drivers in assembler for size reasons, right?
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2015-10-24T13:54:23 < trepidacious> dongs: What's wrong with F42x?
2015-10-24T14:01:01 < dongs> trepidacious: timecube
2015-10-24T14:01:27 < trepidacious> You don't need to use cube stuff, just use ChibiOS or that libopen thingy
2015-10-24T14:01:46 < trepidacious> I mean sure, it would be nice if ST could write code, but they can't. It's not like the cube stuff is making it any worse?
2015-10-24T14:04:18 < dongs> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1PN9rHVXXXXcgXVXXq6xXFXXXF/ATV-250CC-EEC-QUAD-BIKE-3-Wheel-ATV-4-Storke-Water-Cooled-ATV-for-sale.jpg_640x640.jpg
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2015-10-24T14:22:35 < kakimir> how is cloning biz going?
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2015-10-24T14:39:05 < Steffanx> Already cloned by chinese.
2015-10-24T14:46:22 < kakimir> thats why I asked dongs
2015-10-24T14:47:11 < kakimir> how cloning clones biz goings
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2015-10-24T15:01:21 < dongs> haha
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2015-10-24T15:01:47 < dongs> i made a new 'torqiing = SCAM' thread on unofficial zano forums and Wissel the ivan cocksucker PMs me with a warning "if youre gonna post scam threads, do it elsewhere"
2015-10-24T15:01:54 < dongs> the fuck does he even care
2015-10-24T15:02:26 < mitrax> where's the new forum?
2015-10-24T15:02:31 < dongs> zanoforums.com
2015-10-24T15:02:37 < dongs> its a complete circlerjerk of zano lovers now
2015-10-24T15:02:49 < dongs> err http://zanoforum.com/
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2015-10-24T15:27:24 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-24T15:27:37 < Laurenceb_> does the wifi still brownout when the motors rev up?
2015-10-24T15:27:43 < dongs> why wouldn't it
2015-10-24T15:27:46 < dongs> the hardware is "done"
2015-10-24T15:28:19 < Laurenceb_> lul
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2015-10-24T15:28:37 < mitrax> dongs: but... they said the hardware was "futur proof" :D
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2015-10-24T16:10:36 < ReadError> Laurenceb_
2015-10-24T16:10:39 < ReadError> i see this show
2015-10-24T16:10:47 < ReadError> whats up with UK kids going off and joining jihad
2015-10-24T16:12:09 < Steffanx> UK muslim kids you mean? That's nothing new.
2015-10-24T16:12:46 < Laurenceb_> lol theres a guy from my class who is a muslim convert
2015-10-24T16:12:54 < Laurenceb_> fun fact: hes Swedish
2015-10-24T16:12:59 < Laurenceb_> SwedenYES
2015-10-24T16:16:07 < ReadError> Steffanx no, UK kids converting to islam
2015-10-24T16:16:15 < ReadError> and going off to join ISIS and related
2015-10-24T16:16:37 < Laurenceb_> UK SWEDISH(yes) kids
2015-10-24T16:17:55 < BrainDamage> the propaganda is generally the western civilization is corrupt, etc, so their solution is obviously go to a TOTALLY UNRELATED PLACE and shoot some poor goat herder which has nothing to do with their native country shenanigans
2015-10-24T16:17:56 < Laurenceb_> I don't know any other converts
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2015-10-24T16:18:23 < Laurenceb_> although one of my friends did try to convert and they were massively offy with him
2015-10-24T16:18:45 < Laurenceb_> they thought he was after their grrls, mainly as hes a massive neckbeard
2015-10-24T16:19:29 < Laurenceb_> yeah it does seem to be a thing, I dont get it
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2015-10-24T16:21:37 < Laurenceb_> lol I just noticed the guy outside the window in the middle frame
2015-10-24T16:21:40 < Laurenceb_> http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Plane+wrong+http+patri+archie+comicstumblrcom+https+wwwfacebookcom+patriarchiecomics_e5476f_5718185.jpg
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2015-10-24T16:49:38 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CR5qEA2UAAAMA1g.mp4
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2015-10-24T16:55:25 < Steffanx> Time to get stoned dongs
2015-10-24T16:55:59 < dongs> i was just going to do that
2015-10-24T16:56:03 < dongs> way past my bedtime
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2015-10-24T17:12:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JQSt9QT.jpg waacky japs
2015-10-24T17:13:00 < dongs> and bedtime
2015-10-24T17:14:26 < Sync> wat
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2015-10-24T17:25:53 < ReadError> PeterM hi
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2015-10-24T17:56:08 < Laurenceb_> http://patri-archie-comics.tumblr.com/image/131790710647
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2015-10-24T18:17:38 < aandrew> 23:43 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/2TYbR1N.png
2015-10-24T18:17:43 < aandrew> that surface finish looks really rough
2015-10-24T18:18:21 < aandrew> 01:13 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/adsb-cape/index.html yes this.
2015-10-24T18:18:31 < aandrew> wtf you don't need an FPGA to decode ADS-B
2015-10-24T18:18:32 < ReadError> aandrew yes, smart prototype board
2015-10-24T18:18:41 < ReadError> aka chinagarbage
2015-10-24T18:18:54 < aandrew> I mean it's GOOD to use one if you're doing advanced shit because it can actually really increase reception capability
2015-10-24T18:19:08 < aandrew> but for a cape? seems like you'd just want the bbb to do it
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2015-10-24T18:23:49 < aandrew> there is a guy who's using an FPGA and 4x ADS-B receiver frontends to do some really good shit
2015-10-24T18:24:01 < aandrew> http://www.qsl.net/dl4mea/fpgaadsb/fpgaadsb.htm
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2015-10-24T18:52:31 < Laurenceb_> that adsb-c receiver is interesting
2015-10-24T18:52:43 < Laurenceb_> using an ADC to sample the RF directly?
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2015-10-24T19:03:24 < ReadError> Laurenceb https://youtu.be/nm6JnhPbHCQ?t=443 lol
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2015-10-24T19:43:52 < Rob235> hey
2015-10-24T19:44:04 < Rob235> looking at this (to power led strip): https://community.particle.io/uploads/default/1107/4930f9d463dc93a4.png?redirected=true
2015-10-24T19:44:26 < Rob235> never used a mosfet before, you have to ground the gate pin? what is the resistor for and how do i know what resistors to use
2015-10-24T19:45:17 < GargantuaSauce> the resistors pulling down to ground are to keep the gate from floating when the microcontroller's outputs are not enabled
2015-10-24T19:45:57 < Rob235> what size resistor do i need for that?
2015-10-24T19:46:14 < jpa-> anything is fine, 100kohm is pretty normal
2015-10-24T19:46:24 < Rob235> ok thanks
2015-10-24T19:46:51 < GargantuaSauce> make sure your fets will actually be on at Vgs = 3.3V
2015-10-24T19:47:38 < jpa-> BSH105 is a pretty common fet that turns on nicely at 3.3V
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2015-10-24T19:48:53 < Rob235> this is what I have: http://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/General/FQP30N06L.pdf
2015-10-24T19:49:23 < Rob235> says 1.0 - 2.5V gate threshold, is 3.3v too much?
2015-10-24T19:50:24 < jpa-> hmm.. strange that it has so wide variance
2015-10-24T19:50:29 < GargantuaSauce> nope, you just want to be above that voltage (and below the absolute maximum which is 20)
2015-10-24T19:50:58 < jpa-> usually one wants to be well above Vgs_th
2015-10-24T19:51:09 < Rob235> ok sounds good
2015-10-24T19:51:16 < jpa-> 2.5V vs. 3.3V is a bit close to my liking, but if your load current is not very much it might work
2015-10-24T19:51:32 < jpa-> it does not seem to specify Rds_on at 3.3V
2015-10-24T19:52:12 < Rob235> if its a problem how will i know? just won't turn the leds on?
2015-10-24T19:52:30 < jpa-> the fet will run hot
2015-10-24T19:52:46 < jpa-> ideally it should not heat at all
2015-10-24T19:53:10 < Rob235> ok i'll have to try this out and see then
2015-10-24T19:53:30 < GargantuaSauce> we're talking ~1A here right
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2015-10-24T19:55:14 < Rob235> probably 600 mA max for this test but why does that matter if the mosfet is rated up to 32A? I'm using an external 12v power source and grounding to that, is that what you're referring to?
2015-10-24T19:55:44 < jpa-> the more current, the faster it will heat up if it does not get enough gate voltage
2015-10-24T19:56:01 < Rob235> i see
2015-10-24T19:56:35 < jpa-> at 32A, it would heat fast enough to explode if not properly driven.. like this  http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/puuttuva_fetti.jpg
2015-10-24T19:57:02 < jpa-> but at 1A, there is not much danger of even breaking the fet, it will just be annoyingly hot if the gate voltage is too low
2015-10-24T19:58:48 < Rob235> a plan I have for them requires up to 2A so I'll try this out and see if it heats up at all
2015-10-24T20:00:51 < Laurenceb_> http://www.businessinsider.com/open-letter-to-meredith-perry-and-ubeam-2012-7?IR=T
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2015-10-24T20:15:13 < Rob235> does the 12v power supply have to be connected to the arduino too?
2015-10-24T20:16:48 < ReadError> > fritzing picture
2015-10-24T20:16:51 < ReadError> > arduino
2015-10-24T20:16:55 < ReadError> YHBT
2015-10-24T20:17:56 < Rob235> i just got a stm32f4 discovery and found this for an arduino but am using both
2015-10-24T20:18:24 < Rob235> figured I'd make sure it works first on arduino before I start my first stm32 project
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2015-10-24T20:27:55 < jadew> Laurenceb, can't believe people are still buying into that uBeam shit
2015-10-24T20:28:12 < ReadError> thats from 2012 tho
2015-10-24T20:28:33 < jadew> ah
2015-10-24T20:29:49 < Rob235> well the led strip is working and mosfets aren't getting warm at all, thanks for your help
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2015-10-24T20:36:06 < Laurenceb_> lul https://twitter.com/meredithperry
2015-10-24T20:36:15 < Laurenceb_> i see p3n15
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2015-10-24T20:37:11 < jadew> wow, she's still pushing that?
2015-10-24T20:37:21 < jadew> I guess she didn't get to spend all the VC yet
2015-10-24T20:38:36 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/meredithperry/status/656680281701638144
2015-10-24T20:38:41 < Laurenceb_> arm the nukes
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2015-10-24T21:43:00 < englishman> Wireless charging at a distance? @meredithperry (termed "the next @elonmusk") of @ubeam proves it possible.
2015-10-24T21:43:46 < englishman> well she made $10m more than i made last week
2015-10-24T21:52:26 < englishman> you tell me how much power your wifi router can deliver at 15m distance
2015-10-24T21:54:14 < jpa-> about a kilowatt
2015-10-24T21:54:23 < jpa-> i bought that 2.5 megawatt access point from ebay
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2015-10-24T21:54:45 < jpa-> i'll put it on top of the 5 megawatt subwoofer from dealextreme
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2015-10-24T21:56:42 < englishman> right
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2015-10-24T21:56:50 < englishman> the difference is, san fran
2015-10-24T21:57:08 < englishman> because that is lunch money to san fran investor
2015-10-24T21:57:17 < englishman> and the company is 'high tech'
2015-10-24T21:57:29 < englishman> so can be profitable without ever generating revenue
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2015-10-24T21:57:33 < englishman> im not in san fran
2015-10-24T21:57:37 < englishman> also: not dumb enough
2015-10-24T21:57:39 < mtbg> hi
2015-10-24T21:57:45 < englishman> or: not smart enough
2015-10-24T21:57:52 < englishman> sometimes both
2015-10-24T21:58:15 < englishman> that will only 1/2 as much as zano has spent!!!
2015-10-24T21:58:29 < englishman> that is how investing works yes
2015-10-24T21:59:41 < englishman> did you know how many billions yahoo chief has already cost yahoo
2015-10-24T21:59:50 < englishman> $1.7m is nothing
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2015-10-24T22:00:05 < englishman> what is her name
2015-10-24T22:00:09 < englishman> marissa mayer
2015-10-24T22:00:21 < jadew> yahoo is gone
2015-10-24T22:00:40 < jadew> do they offer anything remotely interesting anymore?
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2015-10-24T22:02:11 < englishman> she can hire retired zano devs
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2015-10-24T22:02:31 < jadew> yeah, they're hiring a "Senior Vision Scientist" - no scientis wants this title
2015-10-24T22:02:33 < jadew> from this company
2015-10-24T22:03:18 < mtbg> it is surely possible
2015-10-24T22:03:24 < mtbg> but what about efficiency?
2015-10-24T22:03:24 < jadew> but not practical
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2015-10-24T22:05:16 < englishman> kickstarter idea: personal money printing press
2015-10-24T22:05:28 < englishman> basically same idea as buttcoin miner
2015-10-24T22:05:36 < englishman> not in usa
2015-10-24T22:05:39 < englishman> but in iran, sure
2015-10-24T22:06:06 < jadew> in iran they kill you and your family up to your second cousins
2015-10-24T22:06:20 < englishman> up to and including?
2015-10-24T22:06:25 < jadew> of course
2015-10-24T22:06:28 < englishman> harsh
2015-10-24T22:06:39 < jadew> R2COM, I'm speculating/joking
2015-10-24T22:07:20 < jadew> but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true, they have similar crap for people leaving their religion
2015-10-24T22:07:44 < mtbg> if the device can output sigificant power to the receiver, it will output it to everything that can absorb ultrasound
2015-10-24T22:08:01 < ReadError> <R2COM> but how come she receive $1.7m from yahoo boss
2015-10-24T22:08:01 < ReadError> <R2COM> i dont get it
2015-10-24T22:08:09 < ReadError> did you learn nothing from 'gamergate' ?
2015-10-24T22:08:10 < jadew> R2COM, being non-religious, no
2015-10-24T22:08:12 < ReadError> open wide
2015-10-24T22:08:17 < jadew> but leaving the religion is punishable by death
2015-10-24T22:08:29 < jadew> that holds true in most muslim countries
2015-10-24T22:08:58 < jadew> basically you can be a foreigner and eat during ramadan - that's fine
2015-10-24T22:09:05 < jadew> but if you're a muslim, they send you to jail
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2015-10-24T22:09:47 < jadew> I talked to a muslim who told me that's how it is
2015-10-24T22:10:03 < jadew> I asked him if he can lie his way out of it, but he said that people know you
2015-10-24T22:10:36 < jadew> which part?
2015-10-24T22:10:46 < jadew> oh, no
2015-10-24T22:10:52 < jadew> that shit is very true
2015-10-24T22:10:56 < jadew> and well known
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2015-10-24T22:12:17 < jadew> and again, this guy confirmed it to me - he said, I didn't even ask him
2015-10-24T22:13:08 < mtbg> I wonder if more intelligent life is even possible in a way similar to ours when humans are so prone to delusions - what other animals kill individuals of their species due to their very own habits without direct influence on others :>
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2015-10-24T22:16:11 < jadew> I wouldn't give up on us so fast
2015-10-24T22:18:53 < mtbg> they are watching and laughing
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2015-10-24T22:20:37 < upgrdman> pesky humans
2015-10-24T22:21:21 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4iTpOnstvg
2015-10-24T22:24:39 < Steffanx> How you know "it didn't work out" when you dont what they tried to achieve with their experiment R2COM? ;)
2015-10-24T22:25:35 < mtbg> R2COM: I don't think we are that far away from other creatures with similar nervous systems
2015-10-24T22:25:59 < mtbg> our advantage is that we can share our knowledge and experiences with others
2015-10-24T22:26:07 < mtbg> since we developed language
2015-10-24T22:27:51 < mtbg> it doesn't have to
2015-10-24T22:28:13 < mtbg> it's all about positive feedback :>
2015-10-24T22:28:25 < jadew> you don't know that what we do is so much special than what other animals can do
2015-10-24T22:28:45 < jadew> we're after all just a tiny bit different
2015-10-24T22:28:58 < jadew> imagine what it's possible if you're A LOT different
2015-10-24T22:29:25 < mtbg> or they did?
2015-10-24T22:29:31 < mtbg> but special ones
2015-10-24T22:29:40 < jadew> precisely, the point is that from throwing feces to the internet, there's a very tiny difference
2015-10-24T22:29:45 < Steffanx> Yes the use tree roots to communicate, avatar style.
2015-10-24T22:30:19 < jadew> you assume that what we're doing is extremely spectacular, but I believe that with a bigger difference, things would look a lot more spectacular
2015-10-24T22:30:50 < mtbg> yep
2015-10-24T22:31:03 < jadew> we're just building on top of language and a bit of cognitive power
2015-10-24T22:31:18 < jadew> which is built on top of that
2015-10-24T22:31:41 < jadew> we used to have stones too
2015-10-24T22:32:03 < jadew> language + a bit more intellect
2015-10-24T22:32:04 < mtbg> other animals use various tools
2015-10-24T22:32:05 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4iTpOnstvg
2015-10-24T22:32:24 < jadew> R2COM, they did
2015-10-24T22:32:37 < jadew> we just hit the jackpot
2015-10-24T22:33:27 < zyp> remember that evolution works through random mutation and natural selection
2015-10-24T22:34:06 < zyp> at some point, humans evolution hit a point where they started to be selected for intelligence
2015-10-24T22:34:58 < zyp> sure, we just happened to be first
2015-10-24T22:35:22 < mtbg> there seem to be some random fluctuations in our universe
2015-10-24T22:35:28 < mtbg> it would be uniform otherwise
2015-10-24T22:35:30 < zyp> imagine if this happened to any other species, they would probably have the same discussion about why it's only them
2015-10-24T22:36:12 < zyp> and again, natural selection is based on a ton of feedback
2015-10-24T22:36:40 < mtbg> yep
2015-10-24T22:36:55 < mtbg> an well, it seems it didn't happen just to one species
2015-10-24T22:37:01 < mtbg> there were many human species
2015-10-24T22:37:06 < mtbg> our survived
2015-10-24T22:37:49 < jadew> also, I can't stress this enough, we tend to think that what we can do is amazing and that's part of the reason it seems so unlikely that we simply evolved
2015-10-24T22:38:03 < jadew> but in reality, it's not that big of a leap
2015-10-24T22:38:07 < zyp> if intelligence helps a species survive and produce offspring, that species will be selected for intelligence
2015-10-24T22:38:09 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1437675#msg1437675
2015-10-24T22:38:13 < Laurenceb_> popcorn.gif
2015-10-24T22:38:16 < mtbg> jadew: we evolved to think that way
2015-10-24T22:38:17 < mtbg> :>
2015-10-24T22:38:41 < zyp> if intelligence makes a species seem like a threat to another species to the point where they are killed for it, that species will be selected against intelligence
2015-10-24T22:39:22 < zyp> in other words, it's not intelligent that early humans killed off any other species that was as far developed as they were
2015-10-24T22:39:26 < jadew> R2COM, we were equipped for all this 50 000 years ago
2015-10-24T22:39:32 < zyp> s/intelligent/impossible)
2015-10-24T22:39:47 < jadew> we just didn't know much about the world at that point
2015-10-24T22:40:15 < mtbg> yep
2015-10-24T22:40:40 < mtbg> science is only recently progressing that fast
2015-10-24T22:41:29 < zyp> science is based on exponential growth
2015-10-24T22:42:14 < zyp> that's okay, considering the amount of religious people you are not alone in that
2015-10-24T22:42:23 < mtbg> R2COM: good for you
2015-10-24T22:42:30 < mtbg> we need to feel special
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2015-10-24T22:44:55 < mtbg> I prefer to choose our current understanding of our origin
2015-10-24T22:45:02 < mtbg> since ockhams razor
2015-10-24T22:45:17 < jadew> R2COM, it's not that it's not possible that that happened
2015-10-24T22:45:25 < jadew> it's just that it didn't have to happen
2015-10-24T22:45:45 < jadew> evidence so far suggests that we evolved naturally
2015-10-24T22:46:17 < jadew> obviously alien intervention is possible
2015-10-24T22:46:31 < jadew> as it will be possible in the future that we do the same thing we're talking about
2015-10-24T22:47:50 < jadew> but the implications of that hypothesis are far greater than the implications of "we just evolved from rats"
2015-10-24T22:49:55 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2wp5Qe3JV0
2015-10-24T22:50:12 < jadew> R2COM, they're not the same rats
2015-10-24T22:50:22 < mtbg> ^ that is very in topic of our intelligence and accomplishments
2015-10-24T22:50:30 < jadew> they're much more sophisticated
2015-10-24T22:50:37 < jadew> and different
2015-10-24T22:52:18 < jadew> Neil DeGrasse's remake of the Cosmos series is worth watching too
2015-10-24T22:52:45 < jadew> I didn't see the one Carl Segan did, but I expect the new one to be more up-to-date
2015-10-24T23:04:43 < jadew> R2COM, we already know
2015-10-24T23:04:49 < jadew> we don't know how to power them tho :)
2015-10-24T23:04:53 < mtbg> emdrive
2015-10-24T23:05:16 < mtbg> and we can power them with ubeam
2015-10-24T23:05:29 < jadew> through space
2015-10-24T23:08:06 < mtbg> travelling faster than light is probably impossible
2015-10-24T23:08:41 < mtbg> our current understanding implies so
2015-10-24T23:12:33 < mtbg> if there is anything to be sure about, it should be the laws of our universe
2015-10-24T23:12:55 < mtbg> what else can you be sure?
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2015-10-24T23:14:03 < jubatus> shorter lifespan = faster evolution
2015-10-24T23:14:05 < mtbg> but our extrapolations are consistent with new discoveries so far
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2015-10-24T23:14:24 < mtbg> and about life span, people are already working to extend it
2015-10-24T23:14:28 < jubatus> its only recently (last few hundred years) that people have had any purpose in life other than reproduction
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2015-10-24T23:14:31 < mtbg> and to fight natural aging
2015-10-24T23:14:53 < mtbg> jubatus: or do they? :>
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2015-10-24T23:35:32 < upgrdman> are mini-dp to hdmi cables passive or active?
2015-10-24T23:36:08 < Sync> passive iirc
2015-10-24T23:36:59 < Steffanx> active
2015-10-24T23:37:26 < upgrdman> is there a spec to look for if i want a mini-dp to hdmi cable that can do 4k60p?
2015-10-24T23:43:52 < Steffanx> dongs knows all about tat
2015-10-24T23:44:14 < Steffanx> but he's probably too stoned to be useful
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2015-10-25T00:00:55 < upgrdman> oh seems the key word to get 4k60 is hdmi 2.0
2015-10-25T00:12:20 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/jnlHTq8.gifv
2015-10-25T00:13:11 < aandrew> http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s3138607.htm
2015-10-25T00:13:33 < aandrew> isn't it a problem if you're dumping shit that has almost no biological life into the landfill?
2015-10-25T00:15:30 < Sync> idk, I never heard about washing trash cans
2015-10-25T00:16:50 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: is day you?
2015-10-25T00:16:52 < Laurenceb_> *dat
2015-10-25T00:17:30 < ReadError> he looks english
2015-10-25T00:17:58 < Laurenceb_> why so?
2015-10-25T00:18:10 < Laurenceb_> lol the comments  "9 11, nevar forget"
2015-10-25T00:18:25 < Laurenceb_> general fatness
2015-10-25T00:18:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVFVIOVcwcXI3M1k/view?usp=sharing
2015-10-25T00:18:38 < Laurenceb_> 9 11 inside job
2015-10-25T00:18:40 < Laurenceb_> I lolld
2015-10-25T00:18:46 < ReadError> UK people just look ..not the  same..
2015-10-25T00:19:29 < aandrew> I can't see that ultrasonic thing working at all
2015-10-25T00:19:37 < aandrew> for minute amounts of power transfer, sure
2015-10-25T00:19:51 < aandrew> but charging a phone or laptop? not gonna happen
2015-10-25T00:20:41 < aandrew> why's he so happy ocming out of a red room?
2015-10-25T00:21:01 < Laurenceb_> plot twist: it was a male prostitute
2015-10-25T00:21:39 < kakimir> aandrew: amsterdam. red lights
2015-10-25T00:22:17 < jadew> amsterdam, red lights, hookers, sex
2015-10-25T00:22:41 < Laurenceb_> AIDS
2015-10-25T00:22:44 < aandrew> looks like a tiny room with no shade
2015-10-25T00:22:45 < kakimir> walked it thru when totally stoned
2015-10-25T00:22:57 < jadew> I was going to continue with that, but didn't want to make it grim
2015-10-25T00:23:01 < aandrew> I thought it was maybe a hooker but figured there'd be shades or someshit
2015-10-25T00:23:12 < kakimir> it was creepy as hell
2015-10-25T00:23:24 < jadew> kakimir, how come?
2015-10-25T00:23:31 < jadew> aren't chicks like... in the window
2015-10-25T00:23:47 < kakimir> hookers
2015-10-25T00:23:56 < jadew> yeah
2015-10-25T00:24:06 < jadew> they're still women and I presume they're also hot
2015-10-25T00:24:12 < kakimir> the job had affected them somehow
2015-10-25T00:24:50 < kakimir> doing that mechanic shake and all kind of tricks on window
2015-10-25T00:25:05 < jadew> mechanic shake?
2015-10-25T00:25:16 < kakimir> movements
2015-10-25T00:25:19 < kakimir> not shake
2015-10-25T00:25:19 < jadew> ah
2015-10-25T00:26:30 < kakimir> now i remember
2015-10-25T00:26:37 < kakimir> they had like those poses
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2015-10-25T00:26:56 < kakimir> change to another - then to another
2015-10-25T00:27:37 < jadew> sounds great
2015-10-25T00:27:59 < jadew> hookers are the best
2015-10-25T00:28:04 < jadew> you pay what you use
2015-10-25T00:29:12 < kakimir> but those poses are just lifeless animation that goes on night by night
2015-10-25T00:30:54 < kakimir> like some mechanic work you do for years in row
2015-10-25T00:31:06 < kakimir> same task
2015-10-25T00:31:10 < jadew> yeah, but that's the thing it only adds to the experience of having just sex with someone who doesn't want anything else from you
2015-10-25T00:31:19 < jadew> (not even sex)
2015-10-25T00:31:31 < kakimir> mechanical performance
2015-10-25T00:32:28 < jadew> I guess there are different types of hookers
2015-10-25T00:32:45 < jadew> I've never been to any, but I saw quite a few
2015-10-25T00:34:01 < jadew> the expensive ones are more like "occasional hookers" because they don't get that many customers so they also tend to enjoy having sex
2015-10-25T00:34:55 < Laurenceb_> jadew speaks from experience
2015-10-25T00:34:59 < kakimir> student girls?
2015-10-25T00:35:06 < jadew> kakimir, mostly
2015-10-25T00:35:19 < jadew> Laurenceb_, I have 0 experience in this area really
2015-10-25T00:35:56 < kakimir> paying their living with having good time with handful of older men with money
2015-10-25T00:36:33 < jadew> kakimir, yeah, that seems to be very common
2015-10-25T00:37:33 < kakimir> when I'm older
2015-10-25T00:38:04 < kakimir> I'll be fucking poor
2015-10-25T00:38:08 < jadew> lol
2015-10-25T00:38:15 < jadew> you don't know that
2015-10-25T00:38:32 < kakimir> no..
2015-10-25T00:39:23 < Bright> the future is a mystery o3o
2015-10-25T00:39:55 < kakimir> not completelly
2015-10-25T00:42:08 < kakimir> wait..
2015-10-25T00:42:14 < kakimir> it is
2015-10-25T00:46:09 < jadew> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=angry+dragon
2015-10-25T00:47:02 < kakimir> :|
2015-10-25T00:47:05 < kakimir> :D
2015-10-25T00:49:02 < jadew> no
2015-10-25T00:49:15 < jadew> I've witnessed an orgy with hookers, but didn't join
2015-10-25T00:54:28 < jadew> I suppose it takes some effort and I bet that with the same ammount of effort you can have no-strings attached sex with a regular girl
2015-10-25T00:55:33 < aandrew> I dunno man
2015-10-25T00:55:43 < aandrew> I would have an awfully hard time fucking someone I wasn't attracted to
2015-10-25T00:55:49 < jadew> heh, that's true R2COM
2015-10-25T00:56:09 < jadew> aandrew, as a hooker?
2015-10-25T00:56:10 < aandrew> I can't imagine it'd be easy sticking some 70yo's wrinkly assed cock in your mouth, even with a strawberry flavoured condom
2015-10-25T00:56:13 < aandrew> yeah
2015-10-25T00:56:22 < aandrew> speaking about what it must be like being a hooker
2015-10-25T00:56:42 < jadew> I had the revelation when I was in highschool
2015-10-25T00:56:56 < jadew> the way hookers see sex is a bit different than you or I
2015-10-25T00:57:05 < jadew> or the rest of the women
2015-10-25T00:57:21 < jadew> it's usually something they have to give anyway
2015-10-25T00:57:45 < jadew> and it's not something they can easily say no to
2015-10-25T00:58:09 < jadew> so if they have to give it out anyway, why not charge for it?
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2015-10-25T00:58:47 < jadew> R2COM, I'm pretty sure, the majority of hookers think like this ^
2015-10-25T00:59:18 < jadew> they come from cultures or subcultures where they don't have much choice
2015-10-25T01:00:47 < kakimir> #hookers32
2015-10-25T01:03:08 < kakimir> you have a lot of choise if you don't fuck up
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2015-10-25T01:24:39 < Tectu> dongs, ping
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2015-10-25T01:33:17 < kakimir> it appears that soviet era themes are back in Russian schools :/
2015-10-25T01:34:02 < kakimir> patriotic and militant themes
2015-10-25T01:34:59 < mitrax> kakimir: that's right, fear the big baaaad russia
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2015-10-25T01:36:20 < mitrax> kakimir: as far as i'm concerned i'm more worried about the US continously fucking up the world for the last 50 years
2015-10-25T01:36:31 < kakimir> I don't. but it's a bit sad
2015-10-25T01:37:30 < kakimir> mitrax: and themselfs too
2015-10-25T01:39:04 < kakimir> I think that coutry goes from world domination mode to keeping lights on mode in next decades
2015-10-25T01:40:25 < mitrax> kakimir: well i think they'll do anything to keep their leadership... and that's what happening already
2015-10-25T01:40:45 < mitrax> err what/what's
2015-10-25T01:41:22 < kakimir> perveted leadership
2015-10-25T01:45:58 < kakimir> would have been fun 50years back
2015-10-25T01:47:08 < kakimir> all looking good.. no boundaries
2015-10-25T01:49:45 < mitrax> well frankly i don't believe in the no border / one country / citizen of the world bullcrap anymore
2015-10-25T01:50:27 < kakimir> sad.. me neather
2015-10-25T01:50:27 < mitrax> that just means being globally ass raped
2015-10-25T01:50:47 < mitrax> i.e the 99%
2015-10-25T01:52:48 < kakimir> yeah that
2015-10-25T01:52:50 < kakimir> but
2015-10-25T01:53:13 < kakimir> I don't feel like world would be welcoming place
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2015-10-25T01:55:40 < kakimir> maybe it's just change of perspective
2015-10-25T01:55:54 < Laurenceb_> putin beats bbc manipulation
2015-10-25T01:56:48 < kakimir> strong man
2015-10-25T01:57:30 < Laurenceb_> lul https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Syria
2015-10-25T02:01:21 < kakimir> saw migrants today
2015-10-25T02:01:55 < kakimir> if they said they were italians or so I couldn't tell
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2015-10-25T02:02:06 < mitrax> kakimir: where do you live btw?
2015-10-25T02:02:11 < kakimir> finn
2015-10-25T02:02:58 < mitrax> finn? finland?
2015-10-25T02:03:40 < kakimir> da
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2015-10-25T02:07:31 < Laurenceb_> migrants in finland wtf
2015-10-25T02:07:36 < Laurenceb_> hopefully they freeze
2015-10-25T02:08:53 < kakimir> they don't seem to mind of cold weather and darkness
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2015-10-25T02:12:22 < kakimir> it's sad they looked happy and excited
2015-10-25T02:13:16 < kakimir> because winter and all that
2015-10-25T02:13:39 < kakimir> maybe they are waiting to see snow and stuff
2015-10-25T02:14:55 < kakimir> and enjoy it
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2015-10-25T02:16:42 < kakimir> what have argentina done?
2015-10-25T02:19:49 < Laurenceb_> dey so white
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2015-10-25T02:20:26 < Laurenceb_> http://new1.fjcdn.com/comments/4438901+_d62f5112d6e52c7ed1eaab7fa14904d3.png
2015-10-25T02:20:28 < Laurenceb_> I lolld
2015-10-25T02:23:16 < Laurenceb_> http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4438901+_72a7c46c5bfde63e6cde4f8a4dc4f1fc.gif
2015-10-25T02:23:23 < Laurenceb_> they took my photo
2015-10-25T02:24:08 < kakimir> :D
2015-10-25T02:24:38 < Laurenceb_> relevant  https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1425/77/1425772007457.png
2015-10-25T02:24:45 < kakimir> hitler died natural death in argentina
2015-10-25T02:26:14 < Laurenceb_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/097/846/1297199206149.png
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2015-10-25T02:51:32 < pmartnhoj> have any of you guys played with this? https://github.com/hackndev/zinc  "Zinc is an experimental attempt to write an ARM stack that would be similar to CMSIS or mbed in capabilities but would show rust's best safety features applied to embedded development."
2015-10-25T02:57:32 < Laurenceb_> embedded rust
2015-10-25T02:57:34 < Laurenceb_> interesting
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2015-10-25T03:28:39 < kakimir> I wonder what pneumatic connector to use for basic vacuum
2015-10-25T03:29:10 < kakimir> just the same connector than for pressure?
2015-10-25T03:30:24 < kakimir> maybe just hose nipple
2015-10-25T03:36:19 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-25T03:36:44 < Getty> did you just asked yourself whats up?
2015-10-25T03:36:49 < dongs> < upgrdman> is there a spec to look for if i want a mini-dp to hdmi cable that can do 4k60p?
2015-10-25T03:36:55 < dongs> it doesnt exist
2015-10-25T03:37:06 < dongs> thats an easy one
2015-10-25T03:40:17 < dongs> My patience ended when the forum did. This all seems deliberately sketchy and I am now of the mindset that my KS pledge is simply gone. The negative comments were growing on the original forum and I believe TG decided to end the forums deliberately and brush all our concerns under the carpet. Especially when the only explanation is "it's gone and not coming back."
2015-10-25T03:40:22 < dongs> lol
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2015-10-25T03:42:53 < dongs> There is some good news on the forum & various FB pages recently from an owner who has recently visited TG & has tried the new calibration tools which is said to show an improvement in flight etc, hopefully this will be rolled out after some further beta testing.
2015-10-25T03:42:58 < dongs> haha
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2015-10-25T03:37:08 < aandrew> < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-25T03:37:09 < aandrew> lol
2015-10-25T03:37:27 < dongs> sup
2015-10-25T03:37:58 < aandrew> nada. routing boring boards
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2015-10-25T03:54:12 < dongs> got paxed on efnet
2015-10-25T03:54:19 < dongs> 2015 and people still packet and take nicks over
2015-10-25T03:54:22 < dongs> good times
2015-10-25T03:54:30 < dongs> maybe its zano guys raging
2015-10-25T03:57:24 < aandrew> lol
2015-10-25T03:57:34 < aandrew> efnet's still the wild west
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2015-10-25T04:34:57 < englishman> dongs, such dinner is very served wow http://i.imgur.com/6VwhDZd.jpg
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2015-10-25T05:07:07 < Getty> englishman: such dinner, very served, much wow
2015-10-25T05:07:26 < Getty> learn doge
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2015-10-25T05:37:01 < Bright> stm32 linux toolchain
2015-10-25T05:37:03 < Bright> how do
2015-10-25T05:37:51 < englishman> windows vm
2015-10-25T05:38:20 < Bright> no
2015-10-25T05:38:26 < Bright> that's dumb
2015-10-25T05:38:47 < englishman> yet here you are asking how to lunix on irc
2015-10-25T05:39:06 < Bright> i have been burnt
2015-10-25T05:39:48 < Bright> http://regalis.com.pl/en/arm-cortex-stm32-gnulinux/
2015-10-25T05:40:01 < Bright> i'll read this
2015-10-25T05:45:45 < englishman> in reality, gcc-arm-embedded from launchpad, and some way to flash which is probably openocd, everything else (text editor, makefiles, blah blah) you are already a pro on because you use lunix
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2015-10-25T05:55:57 < dongs> pro at wasting time
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2015-10-25T06:06:44 < englishman> yes
2015-10-25T06:06:51 < englishman> this should take you about a month
2015-10-25T06:06:58 < englishman> another month to set up eclipse if you want to do debugging
2015-10-25T06:07:06 < englishman> (but you still wont get peripheral memory maps)
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2015-10-25T06:10:17 < Getty> isnt it sadistic to suggest beginners to setup eclipse proper?
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2015-10-25T06:41:20 < Bright> englishman: i'm using gdb with openocd in eclipse right now
2015-10-25T06:41:22 < Bright> it took me an hour
2015-10-25T06:41:23 < Bright> :p
2015-10-25T06:46:10 < Getty> hu!
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2015-10-25T07:18:04 < upgrdman> Bright, will eclipse show the the value of a variable if you hover over it, or do you have to look in one of the view tabs to see it?
2015-10-25T07:21:37 < upgrdman> side note: using a 55" 4k tv as a monitor make shit fun
2015-10-25T07:29:14 < PaulFertser> englishman: tell me this takes a month to install and doesn't show peripherals: http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/openocd/
2015-10-25T07:30:11 < PaulFertser> Also, when you build with -g3 you can see peripherals in plain gdb easily, e.g. with "p/x USART1->DR". Does that look like wasting time too?
2015-10-25T07:34:13 < PaulFertser> btw, some my coworkers were using windows machines and could choose between Keil uVision, IAR and Eclipse (without any restrictions). They ended up using eclipse.
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2015-10-25T07:39:30 < PaulFertser> http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/plugins/features/
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2015-10-25T09:10:25 < ReadError> PaulFertser heard good things about that gnuarmeclipse
2015-10-25T09:14:10 < dongs> > easily
2015-10-25T09:14:14 < dongs> > e.g. with "p/x USART1->DR"
2015-10-25T09:14:26 < dongs> i think your and mine definition of "easily"
2015-10-25T09:14:32 < dongs> are quite different
2015-10-25T09:16:07 < ReadError> I am using the EmbSysRegView thing
2015-10-25T09:16:13 < ReadError> and it is very usable
2015-10-25T09:41:24 < PaulFertser> dongs: come on, you write that same expressions in C code, why can it be hard to use the same during debugging?
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2015-10-25T09:42:16 < dongs> PaulFertser: beacuse i alraedy typed it in the code.
2015-10-25T09:42:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, does Keil support arbitrary expressions in "watches" window? Last time I was helping someone to debug stuff in Keil he wasn't able to do that.
2015-10-25T09:42:21 < dongs> i dont need to retype it each time i want to view it
2015-10-25T09:42:32 < dongs> what is 'arbitrary expression'?
2015-10-25T09:46:42 < dongs> you can watch wahtever the fuck you want in wathc as long as it has a memory address
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2015-10-25T09:47:51 < ReadError> is it possible to do conditional breakpoints?
2015-10-25T09:47:59 < ReadError> like if x=4, break
2015-10-25T09:48:04 < dongs> yes...
2015-10-25T09:48:13 < ReadError> oh nice I should learn how to do that then
2015-10-25T09:48:39 < dongs> i cant imagine you needing to debug anything
2015-10-25T09:48:43 < dongs> never mind conditional breakpoint
2015-10-25T09:48:50 < dongs> all teh code you use should run as-is on clones
2015-10-25T09:48:55 < ReadError> hm? Ive done quite a bit of stm32 code lately
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2015-10-25T09:54:25 < PaulFertser> dongs: e.g. ((uint32_t*)someuint8pointer)[i] or something of a similar complexity?
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2015-10-25T10:11:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: shrug. i see waht you're getting at, but its probly doable, especially in 'immediate' cli thing. you still cant constantly "watch" that expression in gdb trash witout just up-enter'ing
2015-10-25T10:14:23 < jubatus> In theory a GUI should be so much better than a CLI debugger. In a CLI there every time you want to see a variable you have to type something - that's an interruption in your thought process. In a GUI everything is displayed for you to see all the time. In my mind that's sort of analogous to the advantage touch typists have over hunt and peck typists.
2015-10-25T10:14:38 < jubatus> Yet every time I meet someone who's really good at coding, they invariably use CLI debuggers.
2015-10-25T10:14:49 < jubatus> There's something going on there that I wish I could figure out.
2015-10-25T10:15:17 < dongs> were they also lunix users?
2015-10-25T10:15:37 < jubatus> yes, but I guess that's because Windows guys never get a chance to be good at CLI interfaces.
2015-10-25T10:15:59 < dongs> right. all those years of dicking around wiht a 80x25 black screen with cursor blinking
2015-10-25T10:16:12 < dongs> meanwhile windows guys don't need to care and just get thier jobs done
2015-10-25T10:16:23 < dongs> they probably don't need to be using cli debuggers because they don't write shit code in the first place
2015-10-25T10:18:27 < ReadError> I dont see how people can code in emacs either
2015-10-25T10:18:33 < ReadError> seems like a huge PITA
2015-10-25T10:18:43 < jubatus> maybe its because gdb is ubiquitous and that gives people a chance to become experts at it. There are so many GUI dev environments that nobody ever becomes an expert at one.
2015-10-25T10:19:54 < dongs> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=gdb%2C%20visual%20studio
2015-10-25T10:19:56 < dongs> i rest my case
2015-10-25T10:19:56 < jubatus> there's a website that lets you watch people coding. there should be a similar website where you can watch people debugging.
2015-10-25T10:20:04 < dongs> if anything, interest in GDB has been dying over the last decade
2015-10-25T10:20:18 < jubatus> why would you google gdb ?
2015-10-25T10:20:30 < dongs> same reason you'd google visaul studio?
2015-10-25T10:21:29 < dongs> i generally google gdb in ordr to troll someone on #stm32
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2015-10-25T10:36:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: but in eclipse+gdb one can enter that expression in the dedicated pane and watch it.
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2015-10-25T10:37:52 < dongs> one also needs to have java installed to use eclipse
2015-10-25T10:37:55 < dongs> so thats a non-starter
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2015-10-25T10:52:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FJALmgu.gifv attn upgrdman
2015-10-25T10:54:02 < Sync> rekt
2015-10-25T10:55:19 < dongs> apparently they got recorded from 2 angles
2015-10-25T10:55:23 < dongs> the guy waving also had a cam
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2015-10-25T11:06:30 < jadew> were those lights working?
2015-10-25T11:06:34 < jadew> didn't seem like it
2015-10-25T11:06:57 < dongs> the rail crossing lights?
2015-10-25T11:07:00 < jadew> yeah
2015-10-25T11:07:10 < jadew> they seem to be off
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2015-10-25T11:07:23 < Sync> even if they don't you gotta approach the crossing cautiously
2015-10-25T11:07:29 < Sync> and not just yolo over it
2015-10-25T11:07:29 < jadew> true
2015-10-25T11:07:42 < jadew> at the end there's a red light visible on the other side
2015-10-25T11:07:43 < dongs> they didnt even TRY stopping the car.
2015-10-25T11:08:09 < jadew> it's interesting how it doesn't advance at all after it gets hit
2015-10-25T11:08:12 < jadew> the train hooks into it
2015-10-25T11:08:43 < jadew> so they experience both an instant stop and an instant force from the side
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2015-10-25T11:09:50 < dongs> yep, there's red on the opposite side.
2015-10-25T11:09:54 < dongs> theey should have seen it
2015-10-25T11:09:59 < dongs> unless tehy were stoned as fuck college students
2015-10-25T11:10:32 < jadew> I pay attention even when the light flashes green
2015-10-25T11:12:47 < jadew> did you guys see that Siglent thread on the eevblog forum?
2015-10-25T11:13:48 < jadew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-they-filed-a-'wrongful-trademark-claim'/
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2015-10-25T12:12:37 < dongs> this better be good
2015-10-25T12:13:10 < jadew> the siglent thing?
2015-10-25T12:13:17 < dongs> yeah.
2015-10-25T12:13:20 < jadew> oh, it's great
2015-10-25T12:13:23 < jadew> I'm still reading it
2015-10-25T12:13:44 < jadew> they took down a used siglent item off of ebay because the price was too low
2015-10-25T12:13:55 < jadew> they complained that it was fake to ebay (lied about it)
2015-10-25T12:14:07 < jadew> now they're trying to lie their way out of it on the forum
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2015-10-25T12:23:53 < jadew> http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd456/retropcdos/1_zpskn3ahfmk.jpg~original
2015-10-25T12:24:10 < dongs> photobucket :\
2015-10-25T12:24:16 < dongs> learn to imgur holy shit
2015-10-25T12:24:28 < jadew> I did't take that screenshot
2015-10-25T12:24:45 < jadew> it's a message that guy got from Siglent
2015-10-25T12:24:58 < jadew> telling him to raise his price
2015-10-25T12:25:24 < dongs> ah
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2015-10-25T12:54:59 < ReadError> dongs looks like the ethz/px4 folks are doin stuff with that qualcomm hexagon stuff
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2015-10-25T13:27:37 < dongs> shrug
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2015-10-25T14:55:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/IHH8PB7
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2015-10-25T15:20:31 < Laurenceb_> any ebay users here?
2015-10-25T15:20:43 < Laurenceb_> stupid this is giving me "Please enter a valid phone number"
2015-10-25T15:20:52 < ReadError> required for some shipping
2015-10-25T15:21:09 < jpa-> why wouldn't you give it?
2015-10-25T15:21:43 < Laurenceb_> I do
2015-10-25T15:21:48 < Laurenceb_> but its "invalid"
2015-10-25T15:22:00 < Laurenceb_> apparently its a known bug in ebays scripts :-/
2015-10-25T15:22:02 < Laurenceb_> so much fail
2015-10-25T15:24:00 < ReadError> probably that silly code stuff the UK uses
2015-10-25T15:25:10 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-10-25T15:25:32 < ReadError> have you never had an ebay account?
2015-10-25T15:26:37 < Laurenceb_> yes, and it just worked previously
2015-10-25T15:26:44 < Laurenceb_> was trying to update details
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2015-10-25T16:09:25 < dongs> stop using shit phone nubmers
2015-10-25T16:09:31 < dongs> or: use torquing phone #
2015-10-25T16:09:35 < dongs> aka anna reedman
2015-10-25T16:27:55 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-0/p600x600/12043014_10153146565310913_7567204346212374322_n.jpg?oh=850cd243cdbf1fa649e449356250a6d2&oe=56CD92E2
2015-10-25T16:27:58 < dongs> zanopic
2015-10-25T16:28:23 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10294321_10206346937649672_9073725495290271069_n.jpg?oh=27fe920d5462359dc463a9d6602993ea&oe=56CF46D1
2015-10-25T16:28:26 < dongs> another one
2015-10-25T16:31:23 < dongs> no new zano vids. last thing 6 days ago of the .nlfag who couldnt even make it take off 5cm
2015-10-25T16:31:57 < englishman> Dongs that train video, killed like three stoned 17 yr olds
2015-10-25T16:32:11 < dongs> i thought it was 2+2, did one more die?
2015-10-25T16:32:31 < englishman> Give or take
2015-10-25T16:32:33 < englishman> Its old
2015-10-25T16:32:45 < dongs> go0od riddance
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2015-10-25T16:49:41 < jubatus> reddit.com/r/watchpeopledie
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2015-10-25T17:15:11 < Tectu> ´´I have a serious hardon for this guy, in the most platonic and intellectually respectful way.´´
2015-10-25T17:15:18 < Tectu> now that sounds like a sentence that could come straight from GargantuaSauce
2015-10-25T17:25:55 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-10-25T17:48:27 < Steffanx> and you wish you could say it like that mr Tectu? ( now it sounds like a bad thing )
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2015-10-25T17:52:07 < dongs> < GargantuaSauce> the resistors pulling down to ground are to keep the gate from floating when the microcontroller's outputs are not enabled
2015-10-25T17:52:10 < dongs> did this once, can confirm
2015-10-25T17:52:21 < dongs> shitty brushed motor would slowly spin up after everything was turned off
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2015-10-25T18:24:29 < zyp> haha
2015-10-25T18:55:14 < Fleck> muricans don't use metric measuring system, how do they call diameter? :D
2015-10-25T18:57:07 < Tectu> oh dear
2015-10-25T19:00:14 < Getty> they have "cell phone parking lots" in front of airports, which are not in range of any network
2015-10-25T19:00:24 < Getty> and you really ask this? ;)
2015-10-25T19:00:42 < Fleck> ;p
2015-10-25T19:01:40 < Getty> when they really explained to me that this is just the name for the outside parking lot of the airport and has no relation to actual cell phone usage, i was so confused....
2015-10-25T19:01:56 < Getty> i still cant get over this
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2015-10-25T19:06:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeTIxbFJGRlI1dlk/view?usp=docslist_api oven cart progress. putting some wheels on it
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2015-10-25T20:58:19 < tecdroid> hi
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2015-10-25T21:57:21 < upgrdman> hi tecdroid
2015-10-25T22:17:40 < Steffanx> hi tecdroid and upgrdman
2015-10-25T22:19:34 < ReadError> hi tecdroid upgrdman and Steffanx
2015-10-25T22:20:46 < upgrdman> choo choo
2015-10-25T22:21:36 < Tectu> hi tecdroid upgrdman Steffanx and ReadError
2015-10-25T22:21:49 < zyp> hi all
2015-10-25T22:22:18 < Tectu> such abstraction
2015-10-25T22:23:33 < Tectu> https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen
2015-10-25T22:23:58 < Tectu> ´´If you want your software to be adopted by Americans, good tests scores from the CI server are very important. Volkswagen uses a defeat device to detect when it's being tested in a CI server and will automatically reduce errors to an acceptable level for the tests to pass.´´
2015-10-25T22:24:25 < Sync> old
2015-10-25T22:25:33 < Steffanx> learn to write " or ' Tectu
2015-10-25T22:25:44 < Sync> ^
2015-10-25T22:25:52 < zyp> or «
2015-10-25T22:25:56 < zyp> or “
2015-10-25T22:26:09 < Tectu> gosh, I don´t know, my IRC client is the only software that doesn´t do those two properly
2015-10-25T22:26:11 < ReadError> I dont even have a « key
2015-10-25T22:26:17 < Tectu> ´  ¨
2015-10-25T22:26:19 < Tectu> all it gives me
2015-10-25T22:26:20 < Tectu> !@#$(&!(@*&$(!&@#$
2015-10-25T22:26:36 < Steffanx> i dont have it on my kb either, but it must be there somehwere
2015-10-25T22:26:39 < zyp> ReadError, me neither, doesn't stop me from writing it
2015-10-25T22:29:04 < Tectu> downloading 72 GB with 2.5 kbps... that´s gonna take some time
2015-10-25T22:29:15 < zyp> download faster
2015-10-25T22:29:25 < Tectu> tell that Mr. Seed
2015-10-25T22:29:29 < ReadError> stop the pron torrents
2015-10-25T22:29:57 < Tectu> torrent´s just don´t work for legal downloads... everybody just goes direct file download there
2015-10-25T22:31:58 < Steffanx> what is mr T(orrent)ectu downloading?
2015-10-25T22:36:01 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVDRrcDBMOF94RDg/view?usp=sharing
2015-10-25T22:36:07 < kakimir> cart progress
2015-10-25T22:37:32 < Tectu> cart? what did I miss?
2015-10-25T22:39:08 < kakimir> *trolley maybe
2015-10-25T22:39:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZHFCUFVoeG1iZmc/view?usp=sharing
2015-10-25T22:39:50 < kakimir> this shows little bit of intended function
2015-10-25T22:40:07 < Steffanx> kakimir didnt they learn you not to have all the equipment everywhere on the floor?
2015-10-25T22:40:52 < kakimir> shiet is too big and much to work on table
2015-10-25T22:41:03 < kakimir> and yes
2015-10-25T22:41:57 < Tectu> aah, neat
2015-10-25T22:42:11 < Tectu> so custom toolbox/trolley thingy?
2015-10-25T22:42:41 < kakimir> need to degrease and remove plastic seals of bearings
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2015-10-25T22:44:22 < kakimir> Tectu: it will have a steel grid on top that you can hang objects inside the trolley
2015-10-25T22:44:36 < kakimir> with steel wires
2015-10-25T22:44:59 < Tectu> so like those ring displays in women´s accessories shops?
2015-10-25T22:46:31 < kakimir> http://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/default/ehow/images/a04/bc/qf/powder-coating-work-800x800.jpg
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2015-10-25T22:51:30 < Steffanx> you do saunas much kakimir?
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2015-10-25T22:52:08 < kakimir> build?
2015-10-25T22:52:26 < kakimir> or use?
2015-10-25T22:52:57 < Steffanx> no, getting warm and cozy in a sauna like real finnish people do
2015-10-25T22:53:30 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-25T22:53:35 < kakimir> it's very nice
2015-10-25T22:55:43 < kakimir> build youself one Steffanx
2015-10-25T22:56:11 < kakimir> http://www.ultimatemarket.com/Tynnyrisauna_1_600.jpg
2015-10-25T22:56:49 < Tectu> oh, I thought one would have his sauna in the basement or something
2015-10-25T22:56:53 < Tectu> didn´t know that this is an outside thing
2015-10-25T22:57:18 < Tectu> so wtf... you are warm and cozy but at the end you have to get out in the freezing cold winter before you can get into your bed?
2015-10-25T22:57:33 < kakimir> well you most likely have it in lowest floor of the house
2015-10-25T22:58:38 < Sync> Tectu: that is kinda the point
2015-10-25T22:58:42 < Sync> you walk into the birch woods
2015-10-25T22:58:48 < Sync> get drunk and hot
2015-10-25T22:58:49 < Steffanx> Tectu some finnish jump into ice cold water (lake) after the warm and cozy saunaing
2015-10-25T22:58:55 < Sync> and occasionally jump in the snow
2015-10-25T22:59:03 < Tectu> WHAT
2015-10-25T22:59:18 < Steffanx> without being drunk
2015-10-25T22:59:21 < Tectu> when I can choose between warm and cozy or cold, harsh and snowy then I pick the first one at all times
2015-10-25T22:59:58 < Sync> oh the times I was in finland we got hammered in the sauna
2015-10-25T23:00:03 < Sync> worst hangover ever
2015-10-25T23:00:14 < Tectu> isn´t the booze like getting warm as well?
2015-10-25T23:00:31 < Sync> you can store it outside
2015-10-25T23:00:40 < kakimir> that's bad idea.. you can wake up as.. or not wake up as dried tomato
2015-10-25T23:00:57 < Tectu> which would result in drinking more booze I guess
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2015-10-25T23:01:07 < Tectu> I think I have to ask jpa for some sauna 101
2015-10-25T23:01:18 < Sync> gotta watch your hydration, that's for sure
2015-10-25T23:01:32 < kakimir> 1litre an hour
2015-10-25T23:01:35 < Tectu> Never been in a sauna. Is it really that great?
2015-10-25T23:01:43 < Sync> yes
2015-10-25T23:01:44 < Tectu> I like it warm but hot seems odd
2015-10-25T23:01:51 < kakimir> guess what 24hours do to hydration?
2015-10-25T23:01:52 < Tectu> I mean I remember Wacken 2014...
2015-10-25T23:02:01 < Tectu> or Italy 2014, salerna, 41 C
2015-10-25T23:02:26 < Tectu> and when I understand correctly sauna is like way above 40 C and alos like 10000% humidity
2015-10-25T23:02:42 < kakimir> if water applied to stove
2015-10-25T23:02:54 < kakimir> if not it's dry
2015-10-25T23:03:11 < Tectu> nah really, can somebody explain to me what´s so nice about sauna or does one have to experience it?
2015-10-25T23:03:26 < Tectu> how long does a sauna session go?
2015-10-25T23:03:39 < Lux> and it's more like 80-100°C
2015-10-25T23:03:46 < kakimir> daily sauna 10mins
2015-10-25T23:04:03 < kakimir> sauna just for sauna more like 30-45min
2015-10-25T23:04:09 < Tectu> so like 2 hours of heat-up for 10 min sauna session?
2015-10-25T23:04:19 < Tectu> sauna is usually electric?
2015-10-25T23:04:25 < Tectu> or does one do real fire stuff
2015-10-25T23:04:34 < Sync> that also depends
2015-10-25T23:04:54 < Tectu> 100C ?!?! I thought you´d be dead within minutes at everything > 75 C
2015-10-25T23:05:03 < kakimir> nope
2015-10-25T23:05:03 < Sync> lel
2015-10-25T23:05:15 < Tectu> no fat melting and sking running away?
2015-10-25T23:05:21 < Tectu> skin*
2015-10-25T23:05:34 < Sync> why would it?
2015-10-25T23:05:35 < Tectu> tissue decomposition etc
2015-10-25T23:05:35 < kakimir> http://harvia.fi/content/fi/40/130/Aina%20valmis%20Forte%20.html nowdays
2015-10-25T23:05:37 < Tectu> no idea
2015-10-25T23:05:40 < kakimir> always ready stove
2015-10-25T23:05:45 < kakimir> electric
2015-10-25T23:06:09 < Tectu> does one ´feel´  the difference between electric of fire stove?
2015-10-25T23:06:33 < Sync> >´
2015-10-25T23:06:51 < kakimir> amount of rocks and temperature of rocks
2015-10-25T23:07:06 < kakimir> usually great in fire stove
2015-10-25T23:07:28 < kakimir> little electric stove just dies out after first session
2015-10-25T23:09:26 < Tectu> I wonder if anybody in switzerland does sauna
2015-10-25T23:09:39 < Steffanx> im sure someone does it
2015-10-25T23:09:51 < kakimir> if I was on premium holiday there I wouldn't go cabin without sauna
2015-10-25T23:10:51 < Tectu> there as in .fi?
2015-10-25T23:11:30 < kakimir> "alps"
2015-10-25T23:12:19 < kakimir> here you can't have cabin without sauna
2015-10-25T23:12:52 < Sync> I'm sure there are saunas in swissland
2015-10-25T23:13:09 < kakimir> http://cdn.decoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Chalet-TwentySix26.jpg
2015-10-25T23:13:13 < kakimir> nice photo
2015-10-25T23:14:37 < Steffanx> when i was in finland it was already too warm to sauna, so i didnt do sauna
2015-10-25T23:14:45 < Steffanx> 35+ C iirc.
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2015-10-25T23:15:18 < kakimir> holiday?
2015-10-25T23:15:21 < kakimir> work?
2015-10-25T23:15:40 < Steffanx> holiday, kind of
2015-10-25T23:20:21 < kakimir> there is also this thing when drinking with someone
2015-10-25T23:22:08 < kakimir> sauna is hot all the evening and its 20mins sauna then bathtub outside 30mins then sauna 20min then bathtub
2015-10-25T23:22:27 < Tectu> this is how we handle things in Switzerland:
2015-10-25T23:22:27 < Tectu> https://mychaletfinder.com/ski-spa-hotels-switzerland/main/swiss-spa-hotels.JPG
2015-10-25T23:22:34 < Tectu> http://img.myswitzerland.com/mys/8329/images/buehne/lindnertherme_orig-1.jpg
2015-10-25T23:22:39 < Tectu> https://f22bfca7a5abd176cefa-59c40a19620c1f22577ade10e9206cf5.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/920x540/the-cambrian-pool-outdoor-M-01-r.jpg
2015-10-25T23:22:50 < Tectu> http://www.in-corpore.ch/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/migrosmagazin-wettbewerb-leukerbad.jpg
2015-10-25T23:22:59 < Tectu> and summer:  http://www.placestoseeinyourlifetime.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Untitled-121.jpg
2015-10-25T23:23:24 < kakimir> me want
2015-10-25T23:23:57 < Tectu> seems nicer to me than being in a small wooden box
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2015-10-25T23:26:07 < kakimir> http://www.romantik-hotel.at/presse/emotion-spa-sauna-1824.jpg idk.
2015-10-25T23:27:56 < Tectu> are you kidding me?   http://www.visitsauna.fi/en/where-to-go-sauna/all/sauna-in-the-gondola
2015-10-25T23:29:14 < Tectu> we don´t have to offer anything fancier than this when it comes to cable cars:   http://s.imwx.com/common/articles/images/004TWC_stanserhornbahn_650x366.jpg
2015-10-25T23:29:24 < kakimir> http://www.hotel-bismarck.com/wcms/Clients/135201328061026/Images/Resized_28228201335071412_1400x1400.JPG all my 3 wifes
2015-10-25T23:29:58 < englishman> everything is nicer with a tight box
2015-10-25T23:30:12 < Laurenceb_> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bpDljxSG78Y/Tk7FBdcoIPI/AAAAAAAAKyg/PLm6ylLNATY/s640/rktmdl1.jpg
2015-10-25T23:30:24 < kakimir> see how he handles his boner
2015-10-25T23:30:36 < Tectu> real pro
2015-10-25T23:30:40 < Tectu> must be native finnish
2015-10-25T23:31:00 < Tectu> is there like a feel-able temperature difference between the steps or why are most saunas equiped with those?
2015-10-25T23:31:02 < kakimir> no they have towels
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2015-10-25T23:31:27 < Tectu> If I learned something then it´s that towels don´t help to handle your boner
2015-10-25T23:31:34 < Sync> kek
2015-10-25T23:32:15 < Taxman> saunas are great
2015-10-25T23:32:17 < kakimir> Tectu: 20degrees celsius a step
2015-10-25T23:32:34 < Tectu> ouch
2015-10-25T23:32:44 < kakimir> also makes sauna of 5.. sauna of 8
2015-10-25T23:32:45 < Laurenceb_> http://img2.smackjeeves.com/images/uploaded/comics/0/5/05a7fcfe9TzLe.jpg
2015-10-25T23:33:05 < Tectu> kakimir, so level of ganyess increased by three
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2015-10-25T23:33:12 < Tectu> I see too many pictures of men-only saunas
2015-10-25T23:33:26 < Tectu> and it has nothing to do with my google search preferences/profile, I assure you
2015-10-25T23:33:35 < kakimir> sweaty gayness begins when sauna of 5 has 10 men inside
2015-10-25T23:34:15 < kakimir> sitting perfectly aligned
2015-10-25T23:34:22 < Taxman> how do you go in the sauna in ch?
2015-10-25T23:34:33 < Tectu> everybody stearing at the floor not making eye contact, kakimir ?
2015-10-25T23:34:33 < Sync> they don't
2015-10-25T23:34:43 < Tectu> Taxman, never did sauna. I think it´s not really a common ch thing to do
2015-10-25T23:34:45 < Tectu> never saw a sauna
2015-10-25T23:34:58 < Tectu> maybe at some expensive spa places
2015-10-25T23:35:03 < Tectu> but I don´t do those
2015-10-25T23:35:04 < Taxman> hehe ok
2015-10-25T23:35:12 < Tectu> I also don´t do FKK baggersee
2015-10-25T23:35:22 < Tectu> I´m not much of a ´hey guys, look at my dick´  person
2015-10-25T23:35:43 < Taxman> maybe that's the reason why a lot of swiss come to woerishofen, a big sauna in south germany
2015-10-25T23:35:52 < zyp> Tectu, so what you're saying is that you're ashamed of your dick?
2015-10-25T23:37:03 < Taxman> he does not want to show everybody his cockring
2015-10-25T23:37:19 < kakimir> when someones dick touches someone else or is about to then one dude throws full bucket of water to stove and it works like pepper spray
2015-10-25T23:37:44 < kakimir> everybody have left sauna in 1second
2015-10-25T23:37:49 < Tectu> zyp, or proud enough that I don´t want to share it with anybody but my girlfriend
2015-10-25T23:38:05 < Tectu> Taxman, I actually heard that many swiss people come to germany to do FKK stuff
2015-10-25T23:38:33 < zyp> wtf is FKK?
2015-10-25T23:38:43 < Sync> freikörperkultur
2015-10-25T23:38:43 < Tectu> kakimir, is that like happening often or like a common thing to do or just something you made up?
2015-10-25T23:38:52 < Taxman> and i heard, a lot of german people came to swiss to store their money there. now they fear consequences
2015-10-25T23:38:53 < Tectu> zyp, stuff that doesn´t involve wearing clothes
2015-10-25T23:39:21 < kakimir> Tectu: little bit of all that
2015-10-25T23:39:21 < Tectu> Taxman, I assume the two are not related
2015-10-25T23:39:28 < Tectu> kakimir, oh dear...
2015-10-25T23:39:36 < zyp> Tectu, so nudism?
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2015-10-25T23:39:45 < Tectu> zyp, well yes, but like organized, I think
2015-10-25T23:39:51 < Taxman> kakimir: A overdose of menthol crystals does the same.
2015-10-25T23:39:53 < Tectu> zyp, I guess Taxman can explain better. It´s banned in ch
2015-10-25T23:40:09 < zyp> heh
2015-10-25T23:40:33 < englishman> how progressive
2015-10-25T23:40:45 < Taxman> zyp: This are strong cultural boundaries in a europe without physical boundaries
2015-10-25T23:41:00 < Tectu> about a year ago there was a man and his wife who liked hiking naked through a national protected forest. They got a ~15k EUR fee each
2015-10-25T23:41:11 < zyp> haha
2015-10-25T23:41:28 < englishman> lol
2015-10-25T23:41:46 < Tectu> and a few km south in germany there are people enjoying being naked next to each other in an atifical lake and even pay for that
2015-10-25T23:42:02 < zyp> Tectu, so anyway, when you went to school, didn't you guys have gym class?
2015-10-25T23:42:08 < zyp> or swimming class, even
2015-10-25T23:42:10 < Tectu> zyp, of course
2015-10-25T23:42:30 < Tectu> zyp, no open space community showers. Each shower comes with a cabin
2015-10-25T23:42:41 < zyp> really?
2015-10-25T23:42:48 < Taxman> Tectu: Here in germany three women where jogging naked in the forest. police was called and the police beliefed first, the women are escaping rape victims
2015-10-25T23:43:03 < Tectu> zyp, http://www.20min.ch/diashow/63797/63797-ynYWdec7dB6zEY3M_bCL4A.jpg
2015-10-25T23:43:16 < Tectu> curtains are like minimal accepted protection agains dicking
2015-10-25T23:43:28 < zyp> wtf is wrong with you people
2015-10-25T23:43:29 < Tectu> Taxman, LOL!
2015-10-25T23:43:29 < Sync> > curtains
2015-10-25T23:44:14 < Tectu> zyp, http://www.hirz-trennwand.de/data1/images/07.jpg
2015-10-25T23:44:22 < Tectu> zyp, http://www.projekt4b.de/files/cabrillant2.jpg
2015-10-25T23:44:36 < Sync> luxury
2015-10-25T23:44:39 < Tectu> zyp, I just see that there are entire companies dedicated to provide those divider/separator walls
2015-10-25T23:44:46 < Sync> all we had was showerheads
2015-10-25T23:44:50 < zyp> same
2015-10-25T23:44:54 < zyp> and we were okay with it
2015-10-25T23:45:21 < Tectu> nah, not like I got a dick-phobia but it´s usually not an accepted thing to be naked around other people here
2015-10-25T23:45:42 < Tectu> there are not even many strip clubs in this country
2015-10-25T23:46:01 < zyp> uh, communal showers and strip clubs aren't comparable
2015-10-25T23:46:03 < Tectu> (compared to what I´ve both seen and heard from other countries)
2015-10-25T23:46:07 < ReadError> but a lot of high class escorts?
2015-10-25T23:46:13 < Tectu> ReadError, hell yeah!
2015-10-25T23:46:25 < Tectu> there´s nothing better than paying 500 eur an hour for a nice high-class slut
2015-10-25T23:46:35 < Laurenceb_> UK strip clubs are full of Polish girls
2015-10-25T23:46:38 < Laurenceb_> dunno why
2015-10-25T23:46:45 < Tectu> they like to polish rods?
2015-10-25T23:46:56 < ReadError> seeing most english women i think explains it
2015-10-25T23:47:03 < zyp> haha
2015-10-25T23:47:09 < Steffanx> lol
2015-10-25T23:48:02 < Tectu> I recall seing a statistic somewhere somewhen that showed that about 85% of all ´´public´´ paid sexual activities in switzerland are used by non-swissers
2015-10-25T23:48:23 < Steffanx> internet statistics?
2015-10-25T23:48:27 < Tectu> no
2015-10-25T23:48:31  * Laurenceb_ books a "holiday" 
2015-10-25T23:48:32 < Tectu> some government agency thing
2015-10-25T23:48:53 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/gallery/jnlHTq8
2015-10-25T23:49:21 < Tectu> see, that´s the kind of low-IQ crap we don´t need here
2015-10-25T23:49:59 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, lol, first comment...
2015-10-25T23:50:17 < Laurenceb_> inside job
2015-10-25T23:50:26 < Taxman> here in germany are companies mass producing toilet- and shower-containers at the moment
2015-10-25T23:50:52 < Tectu> vagina fuel can't melt steel boners
2015-10-25T23:51:02 < Laurenceb_> lul
2015-10-25T23:51:05 < Tectu> Taxman, see, contained containers
2015-10-25T23:51:10 < Tectu> Taxman, no public dickparty
2015-10-25T23:53:29 < Taxman> no
2015-10-25T23:53:50 < Taxman> handling masses of refugees
2015-10-25T23:54:24 < Tectu> I hope you provide them with individually separated shower cabins
2015-10-25T23:54:49 < Taxman> we need. other cultures, other sexuality
2015-10-25T23:55:06 < Taxman> but there already lots of people here with islam background
2015-10-25T23:55:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah but some are heading back to Turkey
2015-10-25T23:55:23 < Tectu> see... most of the world doens´t do dick parties. It´s just you guys
2015-10-25T23:55:23 < Taxman> this makes some trouble during gym at school
2015-10-25T23:55:26 < Laurenceb_> so Merkel need moar
2015-10-25T23:55:30 < Laurenceb_> moar cheap labour
2015-10-25T23:56:19 < Tectu> Taxman, just buy some overly expensive individual shower cabin divider/separator crap from some swiss company that has 85 years of anti-dick-party experience
2015-10-25T23:56:49 < Laurenceb_> I heard some Germans did "fun" stuff with shower units some time ago
2015-10-25T23:56:56 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, uh?
2015-10-25T23:57:09 < Taxman> germany is shrinking, low birth rates. merkel + amigos wants to continue the growth based economy. So they hope that the refugees help to maintain growth
2015-10-25T23:58:07 < Taxman> Lourenceb: Drilling voyeur holes in the cabin separator?
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2015-10-25T23:58:29 < zyp> haha
2015-10-25T23:58:49 < zyp> no, I think Laurenceb_ refers to gas showers
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2015-10-25T23:59:50 < Tectu> oh
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2015-10-26T00:00:11 < Tectu> of courase... if the nick says Laurenceb then the chances are quite high that there´s some hitler reference in the following line
2015-10-26T00:02:31 < Taxman> hehe.. this konzentrationslager are now old and unstable. we put a lot of money in them to keep them for historic memories
2015-10-26T00:02:43 < Tectu> unstable ?!
2015-10-26T00:03:33 < Tectu> I actually first read  ´unusable´  which was even worse
2015-10-26T00:04:09 < zyp> haha
2015-10-26T00:04:23 < Taxman> yes... the wood and roofes become weak over time. rain, ice and so on...
2015-10-26T00:05:48 < Tectu> have you been there?
2015-10-26T00:06:03 < Taxman> in one, yes. with school class.
2015-10-26T00:06:19 < Tectu> I always have very hard times imagining how something looks like/feels like when there are only black and white pictures
2015-10-26T00:07:42 < Tectu> Taxman, I assume you went to Dachau due to close-ness?
2015-10-26T00:07:55 < Taxman> exactly
2015-10-26T00:09:55 < Tectu> well, definitely something humanity can´t be proud of
2015-10-26T00:10:14 < Taxman> ack
2015-10-26T00:10:22 < Taxman> but this is the past
2015-10-26T00:10:33 < Tectu> that´s not fixing it
2015-10-26T00:10:36 < Taxman> the nsu thing is past, too, but not so long back
2015-10-26T00:11:09 < Tectu> Had to learn all that stuff at school.... After we learned how germans screwed up we learned how swiss screwed up by not giving back the money to the jew´s relatives
2015-10-26T00:11:21 < Tectu> We still got tons of jew-gold in our basement
2015-10-26T00:11:25 < Taxman> the neonazi especially in eastern germany is bad, too, however most of them are not so good organized as the nsu
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2015-10-26T00:11:32 < Tectu> well, not ours as in my house, talking about the central/national bank
2015-10-26T00:11:48 < Taxman> i know ;)
2015-10-26T00:12:04 < Tectu> I wonder what´s gonna happen with that
2015-10-26T00:12:13 < Taxman> the other bad think for me is the war driven technology development
2015-10-26T00:12:32 < Tectu> probably that´s just going to sit there for X decades until somebody decides that´s now long enough in the past that it´s no longer a problem to use it
2015-10-26T00:12:54 < Taxman> after germany has lost the war, americans shipped hitlers V4 rockets to the USA and even test started there on of them.
2015-10-26T00:13:43 < Taxman> current rocket technology, like the turbo pumps is all based on this V4 rocket technology
2015-10-26T00:15:20 < Tectu> well
2015-10-26T00:15:38 < Tectu> one can also see that tech dev acceleration as an advantage
2015-10-26T00:15:44 < Tectu> can now save millions of lifes and stuff
2015-10-26T00:16:41 < Taxman> at the operation castle, between two hydrogene bomb test detonations four weeks passed
2015-10-26T00:17:17 < Taxman> assessing results, improving design, building a new bomb and shipping it to the island.
2015-10-26T00:18:04 < upgrdman> i want to feed my speakers audio from two sources. if i just plug them into a splitter, the audio sounds like shit. guessing some sort of ground loop or interaction? what do i need to do this?
2015-10-26T00:19:47 < Tectu> Taxman, pretty sure that´s something we couldn´t archive today
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2015-10-26T00:26:35 < kakimir> it was quite much easier to use something ready
2015-10-26T00:27:50 < kakimir> I bet both states and ussr had similar projects but far behind
2015-10-26T00:28:02 < ReadError> upgrdman, a small mixer would be useful
2015-10-26T00:28:08 < emeb> upgrdman: you summing the two sources prior to amp or at the speaker terminals?
2015-10-26T00:28:22 < upgrdman> prior to the amp
2015-10-26T00:28:34 < upgrdman> basically im doing this and it isnt working:
2015-10-26T00:28:54 < upgrdman> tv audio out, and pc audio out, plugged into a splitter, plugged into my pc speakers.
2015-10-26T00:29:13 < upgrdman> and yes i know... its called a splitter and not a mixer for a reason :)
2015-10-26T00:29:41 < emeb> you could  probably do a simple resistive summer
2015-10-26T00:30:05 < upgrdman> any idea why it sounds like shit with them just y'd together?
2015-10-26T00:30:20 < upgrdman> like, with the pc silent, and audio from the tv, it sounds weird and muffled
2015-10-26T00:30:21 < emeb> because each source sees the other
2015-10-26T00:30:38 < emeb> and if they're low impedance outputs then they fight
2015-10-26T00:30:43 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-26T00:31:03 < emeb> run each thru a 100 ohm resistor and junction of that to the amp input
2015-10-26T00:31:13 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-26T00:31:18 < emeb> that gives some isolation
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2015-10-26T00:32:03 < upgrdman> two channels, so thats L, R, and gnd correct?
2015-10-26T00:32:03 < emeb> amp input should be fairly high impedance, so 100 ohm won't cause much reduction in level
2015-10-26T00:32:39 < emeb> ya
2015-10-26T00:32:53 < upgrdman> use 100 ohms for each ground too, correct?
2015-10-26T00:32:59 < emeb> no
2015-10-26T00:33:21 < emeb> 100 ohm between pc & amp, 100 ohm between tv & amp.
2015-10-26T00:33:33 < emeb> so like a splitter with two resistors in the legs
2015-10-26T00:33:38 < upgrdman> so four resistors since two channels?
2015-10-26T00:33:41 < emeb> yes
2015-10-26T00:33:44 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-26T00:33:55 < emeb> good luck
2015-10-26T00:33:57 < emeb> gotta go
2015-10-26T00:34:00 < upgrdman> thx
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2015-10-26T00:52:49 < Taxman> good night
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2015-10-26T01:05:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.iter.org/album/media/2%20-%20manufacturing%20underway#3434
2015-10-26T01:08:14 < kakimir> nice connector
2015-10-26T01:10:38 < Laurenceb_> probably still not durable enough for my datalogger project
2015-10-26T01:11:17 < kakimir> what is that project?
2015-10-26T01:12:24 < kakimir> oh
2015-10-26T01:12:47 < kakimir> hey
2015-10-26T01:13:20 < kakimir> can I do paint thickness meter with piezoelectric tranducers+
2015-10-26T01:13:42 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, so why is that connector so big? looks like 6 coax's sharing a shield, right? big for durability and IP?
2015-10-26T01:14:16 < Laurenceb_> high voltage apparently
2015-10-26T01:14:21 < Laurenceb_> read below lol
2015-10-26T01:14:45 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: sure you can take part in ITER
2015-10-26T01:14:54 < Laurenceb_> here have 1million euros
2015-10-26T01:15:09 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, when it doubt, read. :) thx
2015-10-26T01:15:11 < Laurenceb_> thats more or less how ITER works
2015-10-26T01:15:38 < Laurenceb_> I'm shocked to see they have actually built some hardware
2015-10-26T01:16:11 < kakimir> almost all of it?
2015-10-26T01:16:33 < Laurenceb_> what? nowhere close
2015-10-26T01:16:36 < Laurenceb_> probably 1%
2015-10-26T01:17:03 < Laurenceb_> ITER is horrifying, no way they could ever build a cost effective power plant like that
2015-10-26T01:18:39 < Laurenceb_> this looks cheap  https://www.iter.org/album/media/2%20-%20manufacturing%20underway#3050
2015-10-26T01:18:43 < Laurenceb_>  /sarc
2015-10-26T01:20:17 < kakimir> it's scientist hobby club?
2015-10-26T01:21:07 < Laurenceb_> holy shit seriously
2015-10-26T01:21:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.iter.org/album/media/2%20-%20manufacturing%20underway#2933
2015-10-26T01:21:27 < Laurenceb_> they milled that huge piece of metal just as a cable guide
2015-10-26T01:22:40 < kakimir> they are scientists.. they do not have a concept of cost effectiveness
2015-10-26T01:23:16 < kakimir> singlepiece it would have been impressives
2015-10-26T01:23:25 < BrainDamage> they also have gigantic peer pressure
2015-10-26T01:23:29 < BrainDamage> it has to work
2015-10-26T01:23:53 < BrainDamage> the actual commercially viable plant is supposed to be the successive one
2015-10-26T01:24:31 < BrainDamage> this one is essentially a test to say we can make it by building it out of money
2015-10-26T01:25:04 < kakimir> you are like scientist jesus trying to turn water into wine.. you would have pressures too
2015-10-26T01:25:32 < BrainDamage> also since it's an international project, it's a lot like esa
2015-10-26T01:26:01 < BrainDamage> they commit shit to everyone not because they do it most cost efficient ... or even best, they do it so everyone can claim a share
2015-10-26T01:29:14 < Laurenceb_> ok this is pretty impressive  https://www.iter.org/album/media/2%20-%20manufacturing%20underway#2741
2015-10-26T01:34:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQVhT_9YDes
2015-10-26T01:34:12 < kakimir> there some inspiration
2015-10-26T01:35:26 < kakimir> these 10 things video channels have become a cancer
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2015-10-26T01:35:35 < kakimir> try to watch just few
2015-10-26T01:36:05 < Laurenceb_> 22 evidences
2015-10-26T01:36:06 < Laurenceb_> lol
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2015-10-26T01:48:00 < kakimir> looking for gnuplot  c api
2015-10-26T01:48:29 < kakimir> some search results are 90's fresh
2015-10-26T01:48:56 < kakimir> one I'm interested about has reference to newsgroups
2015-10-26T01:49:09 < kakimir> this is solid
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2015-10-26T02:43:26 < upgrdman> yay. passive audio mixer fixed the problem.
2015-10-26T02:48:15 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-26T02:51:20 < kakimir> dongs: if program has api from years before .com and program and api are still functional
2015-10-26T02:51:25 < kakimir> what to feel?
2015-10-26T03:07:37 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-FSR402-Short-FSR-Force-Sensitive-Resistor-Resistive-Pressure-Sensor-US-Ship-/391152464689 exciting pressure sensor
2015-10-26T03:13:42 < upgrdman> $30 for 5? fuck that trash
2015-10-26T03:14:05 < kakimir> I think it still beats maker e-shops
2015-10-26T03:15:06 < kakimir> what to use that for?
2015-10-26T03:16:56 < upgrdman> what for
2015-10-26T03:18:06 < kakimir> is my english broken?
2015-10-26T03:18:15 < upgrdman> yes
2015-10-26T03:18:33 < kakimir> good.
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2015-10-26T03:31:06 < dongs> < kakimir> what to feel?
2015-10-26T03:31:14 < dongs> that you need a compiler from 1990 to build it.
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2015-10-26T03:34:06 < dongs> i guess ill dicknplace zanocam
2015-10-26T03:34:11 < dongs> need to find all bits
2015-10-26T03:34:40 < kakimir> dongs: it's standard C
2015-10-26T03:35:08 < kakimir> i have not compiled it yet but looks sound
2015-10-26T03:36:15 < dongs> i bet
2015-10-26T03:36:18 < dongs> it has shit like
2015-10-26T03:36:24 < dongs> void faggot(foo)
2015-10-26T03:36:26 < dongs> int foo;
2015-10-26T03:36:28 < dongs> { lol }
2015-10-26T03:38:37 < kakimir>  /* vim: set ts=4 et sw=4 tw=75 */
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2015-10-26T03:41:44 < kakimir> I just wonder that if developer have died of old age already
2015-10-26T03:43:55 < dongs> lol.
2015-10-26T03:44:23 < kakimir> or worse. have got life for himself and ended coding 15years back
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2015-10-26T03:44:36 < dongs> or got put in prison for life
2015-10-26T03:44:45 < dongs> like most opensores coders end up
2015-10-26T03:45:00 < dongs> opensores [x] murders your wife
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2015-10-26T03:46:09 < kakimir> :)
2015-10-26T03:46:24 < emeb_mac> all opensource coders are hans reiser?
2015-10-26T03:47:02 < dongs> pretty mucvh
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2015-10-26T03:48:38 < kakimir> those who are not look photos of little children
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2015-10-26T03:50:29 < dongs> apparently DoD paid reiser like 600k in early 2000s
2015-10-26T03:50:39 < dongs> to finance his work on murderfs
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2015-10-26T03:56:00 < kakimir> dotcom was fun
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2015-10-26T04:20:07 < aandrew> http://gerblook.org/pcb/PZ9spzrHezHavPMkuiEGUn#front
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2015-10-26T04:23:43 < dongs> cheater on layer4
2015-10-26T04:25:53 < kakimir> what is it
2015-10-26T04:26:30 < kakimir> the board
2015-10-26T04:26:35 < dongs> probly some adc shit
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2015-10-26T04:27:11 < dongs> hgm no i thought those were pciex1 connectors
2015-10-26T04:27:16 < dongs> but looks like vga shit, so not high speed
2015-10-26T04:28:46 < kakimir> you think there is vga?
2015-10-26T04:28:59 < aandrew> deflection amp
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2015-10-26T04:29:23 < aandrew> heh it's not cheating if you could put it on another layer just fine
2015-10-26T04:29:26 < aandrew> didn't realize I stuck it there
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2015-10-26T04:49:38 < kakimir> why vga connector?
2015-10-26T05:02:06 < dongs> kakimir: no i think there's a db15-style connector, which is not for highspeestuff
2015-10-26T05:02:22 < dongs> aandrew: didnt know eagle could do 8 layer boards
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2015-10-26T05:10:28 < dongs> hehe the OV5640 cam modules are very magnetic
2015-10-26T05:10:34 < dongs> i guess the autofocus coil stuff
2015-10-26T05:10:41 < dongs> they stick/repel each other in different positions
2015-10-26T05:10:59 < dongs> zanocam pcb in the oven, i hope it works ~
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2015-10-26T05:24:46 < dongs> just took it out of the oven like 10mins ago
2015-10-26T05:24:48 < dongs> lrn2scrollup
2015-10-26T05:29:47 < PeterM> dongs batt holders arrived today, they looks great are right size etc, well made/not flimsy/fit batts right - just have to give it the jew treatment and see if it holds up
2015-10-26T05:29:55 < dongs> awesome
2015-10-26T05:30:08 < dongs> well cloned, will do biz again
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2015-10-26T05:34:42 < dongs> http://www.asciiartfarts.com/20031221.html
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2015-10-26T05:45:08 < PeterM> dongs - they survived the oven, ever so slight efects of heat visible near the contacts - prettymuch unnoticeable but i was looking for it, otherwise perfect
2015-10-26T05:45:33 < dongs> yeah i guess if its SMT it should be reflow-temp-capable
2015-10-26T05:45:36 < dongs> or it would be silly
2015-10-26T05:45:46 < PeterM> indeed
2015-10-26T05:46:04 < PeterM> probably just need to trim my profile a bit
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2015-10-26T05:51:43 < dongs> ST site is so fucking slow damn
2015-10-26T05:51:49 < dongs> downloading 100megs of f4stdperiphlib
2015-10-26T05:51:51 < dongs> *yawn*
2015-10-26T06:03:49 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Desktop-Automatic-Visional-SMT-Chip-Mounter-Pick-and-Place-Machine/32416534844.html china getting pretty cheap
2015-10-26T06:05:50 < dongs> BOREY
2015-10-26T06:12:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhovIU6TR3s
2015-10-26T06:13:49 < jadew> that looks nice
2015-10-26T06:13:53 < jadew> are you getting it?
2015-10-26T06:13:57 < dongs> haha no
2015-10-26T06:14:01 < dongs> you can go ahead
2015-10-26T06:14:41 < jadew> is it low quality?
2015-10-26T06:15:09 < dongs> the 2 links i pasted is all I've seen of it :)
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2015-10-26T06:17:08 < jadew> what model do you have?
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2015-10-26T06:18:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAdIsQWWYw
2015-10-26T06:18:15 < dongs> wow they dont fuck around
2015-10-26T06:18:21 < dongs> that looks almost usable
2015-10-26T06:18:32 < dongs> jadew: i have local jappu one
2015-10-26T06:18:36 < dongs> wasted way too much on it
2015-10-26T06:20:39 < jadew> wish I had one
2015-10-26T06:20:51 < dongs> ill sell you mine for 50k so i can buy like 5 of these china shtis
2015-10-26T06:20:56 < jadew> heh
2015-10-26T06:21:53 < jadew> I do manual pick & place
2015-10-26T06:21:58 < dongs> lolz
2015-10-26T06:22:13 < jadew> with a reversed fish tank pump and a seringe :P
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2015-10-26T06:32:37 < dongs> the feeders are cheap too
2015-10-26T06:32:41 < dongs> my trash is like 250/feeder
2015-10-26T06:32:43 < dongs> fuckin japs
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2015-10-26T06:45:14 < dongs> haha hey guess what
2015-10-26T06:45:25 < dongs> ST is quietly updating stdperiphli wiht f4s upport
2015-10-26T06:45:55 < dongs> latest 1.6.0 supports a bunch of new F4s
2015-10-26T06:46:20 < emeb_mac> ooo
2015-10-26T06:46:28 < emeb_mac> 1.6.0? don't have that yet
2015-10-26T06:46:30 < dongs> yes
2015-10-26T06:46:32 < dongs> just downloaded
2015-10-26T06:46:37 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/st_prod_software_internet/resource/technical/software/utility/stsw-stm32091.zip
2015-10-26T06:46:40 < emeb_mac> just wish they had stdperiph for F7
2015-10-26T06:46:47 < dongs> This example is used as a template project that can be used as reference to build
2015-10-26T06:46:50 < dongs> any new firmware application for STM32F405xx/407xx, STM32F415xx/417xx, STM32F427xx/437xx,
2015-10-26T06:46:54 < dongs> STM32F429xx/439xx, STM32F401xx/410xx/411xE, STM32F446xx or STM32F469xx/479xx devices
2015-10-26T06:47:04 < dongs> emeb_mac: but i see DSI stuff in this periphlib
2015-10-26T06:47:07 < dongs> but isnt DSI only on F7?
2015-10-26T06:47:21 < emeb_mac> interesting
2015-10-26T06:47:33 < dongs>  - This example runs on and STM32F469xx/479xx devices.
2015-10-26T06:47:34 < dongs> whoa!
2015-10-26T06:47:41 < dongs> maybe they're just rolling F7 into "F4" periphlib too
2015-10-26T06:47:47 < emeb_mac> wow!
2015-10-26T06:51:05 < emeb_mac> stdperiph still not listed on F7 pg
2015-10-26T07:04:01 < dongs> cwtf
2015-10-26T07:04:06 < dongs> new shit has error in rcc.c
2015-10-26T07:04:08 < dongs> LSEMOD stuff
2015-10-26T07:04:13 < dongs> RCC_BDCR_LSEMOD
2015-10-26T07:04:30 < dongs> This mode is only available for STM32F410xx/STM32F411xx/STM32F446xx/STM32F469_479xx devices.
2015-10-26T07:04:33 < dongs> oh
2015-10-26T07:04:36 < dongs> but its not under #ifdef
2015-10-26T07:04:37 < dongs> fucking cunts
2015-10-26T07:10:01 < dongs> oh wait. F469 != F7
2015-10-26T07:10:14 < dongs> k back to under my rock
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2015-10-26T07:14:38 < emeb_mac> derp
2015-10-26T07:26:34 < jpa-> merp
2015-10-26T07:26:51 < emeb_mac> twerp
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2015-10-26T07:29:40 < dongs>      You can monitor PG6 or PG8 on the scope to measure the output signal.
2015-10-26T07:29:41 < dongs>      If you need to fine tune this frequency, you can add more GPIO set/reset
2015-10-26T07:29:41 < dongs>      cycles to minimize more the infinite loop timing.
2015-10-26T07:29:58 < dongs> amazing english inside ST code
2015-10-26T07:30:19 < dongs> I wanna minimize some more.
2015-10-26T07:32:52 < jpa-> such bitbang much advanced
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2015-10-26T08:03:49 < dongs> no refunds but they did email me back and say I could switch to black
2015-10-26T08:04:06 < jpa-> does black zano fly better than white zano?
2015-10-26T08:04:25 < dongs> is that a trick question
2015-10-26T08:04:32 < dongs> cuz blacks dont work as you know
2015-10-26T08:04:55 < jpa-> it's a trick also in that the backers cannot get either :)
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2015-10-26T09:03:16 < dongs> fucking PCA9306 is leaking back voltage
2015-10-26T09:03:26 < dongs> if its enabled but lowvcc is off
2015-10-26T09:03:31 < dongs> fucking garbaeg
2015-10-26T09:03:53 < dongs> (its probably in datasheet and im a cock for not reading it)
2015-10-26T09:04:10 < dongs> blown: drop the pumper chats asap thanks
2015-10-26T09:04:26 < dongs> you better start
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2015-10-26T10:10:34 < dongs>  STM32 for makers Releasing your creativity
2015-10-26T10:10:41 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/sales_and_marketing/promotional_material/flyer/flstm32maker.pdf
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2015-10-26T10:30:43 < tkoskine> blown: mbed(.org) is Arduino-like environment for ARM Cortex-M microcontrollers. Pretty much all vendors have mbed-compatible boards these days.
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2015-10-26T10:46:55 < dongs> PAM8301 works great
2015-10-26T10:47:31 < dongs> super clean sinewave
2015-10-26T10:47:38 < dongs> low loes and high highs
2015-10-26T10:47:39 < dongs> or someshit
2015-10-26T10:51:49 < PeterM> what are youy driving wiht it? shitty laptop speaker or something?
2015-10-26T10:53:04 < dongs> some random sharp garbage i had laying around
2015-10-26T10:53:06 < dongs> 32ohm 0.25W
2015-10-26T10:53:33 < dongs> its very loud wiht sinwave
2015-10-26T10:53:40 < dongs> getting the actual pcm sample i wanted to use wiht it working
2015-10-26T10:53:55 < PeterM> noice, noice
2015-10-26T10:54:11 < PeterM> at 0.25w thd wont be shithouse
2015-10-26T10:54:22 < Amperture> "Pretty much all vendors have an mbed-compatible these days"
2015-10-26T10:54:30 < Amperture> I think TI is pretty much the only hold out at this point.
2015-10-26T10:54:37 < dongs> does TI even matter
2015-10-26T10:54:53 < dongs> thier shit is confusing garbage that gets renamed/discontinued every other month
2015-10-26T10:55:24 < Amperture> They do have great documentation though
2015-10-26T10:55:56 < PeterM> does TI even make ARM micros?
2015-10-26T10:56:36 < dongs> yea, you've never heard of t hem tho
2015-10-26T10:56:48 < dongs> it was called tiva then something else then maybe something else before that
2015-10-26T10:56:53 < dongs> they have some M0/M3 stuff
2015-10-26T10:56:55 < dongs> shitty priced
2015-10-26T10:57:06 < dongs> peripherals from MSP430
2015-10-26T10:57:54 < Amperture> Nah they're Tiva now
2015-10-26T10:58:06 < Amperture> They used to be Stellaris
2015-10-26T10:58:09 < PeterM> i think msp430 has its place (low power) and their DPSs have a place too, but TI ARMs? why would anyone?
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2015-10-26T10:59:34 < Sync> because motorcontrol
2015-10-26T10:59:41 < dongs> wut
2015-10-26T10:59:48 < dongs> TI doesnt evne have any amazing motorcontrol stuff
2015-10-26T10:59:57 < dongs> silabs has those amazearms with built in gate drivers
2015-10-26T11:00:22 < dongs> hm
2015-10-26T11:00:26 < dongs> i have this garbage bin2h.exe
2015-10-26T11:00:30 < dongs> it outputs as uint8
2015-10-26T11:00:32 < PeterM> isn't infineon much more better at motor control arms
2015-10-26T11:00:33 < Amperture> I learned on TI controllers in university.
2015-10-26T11:00:34 < dongs> is there something that'll do uint16
2015-10-26T11:00:39 < PeterM> aside from the price thing
2015-10-26T11:01:07 < Amperture> I mean their ARM HAL predates CMSIS even...I just really wish they would support CMSIS at this point
2015-10-26T11:01:11 < Sync> dongs: they have amaze instaspin
2015-10-26T11:01:40 < PeterM> that not on their arm line though is it? its on their ccwhatever though?
2015-10-26T11:01:59 < Amperture> Code Composer is just their IDE
2015-10-26T11:02:33 < Amperture> They have hardware HAL's for basically everything they make, MSPWare for the msp430 and msp432 stuff, and TivaWare for their ARM stuff.
2015-10-26T11:02:46 < dongs> how does it compare to timecube
2015-10-26T11:03:04 < Amperture> I'm not qualified to make that comparison
2015-10-26T11:03:07 < PeterM> c2000 is what i was tinkin of Amperture
2015-10-26T11:03:24 < Amperture> Oh, the CC3200
2015-10-26T11:03:25 < dongs> ugh
2015-10-26T11:03:36 < dongs> where is bin2h that can do different width data
2015-10-26T11:03:39 < PeterM> no not 3200 thats their wireless shit
2015-10-26T11:03:51 < PeterM> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/microcontrollers_16-bit_32-bit/c2000_performance/real-time_control/overview.page?DCMP=dsp_C2000&HQS=c2000
2015-10-26T11:03:52 < Sync> I think they are doing instaspin for arms now, at least that is what rumors said
2015-10-26T11:03:52 < Amperture> OH THE DSP
2015-10-26T11:04:00 < Amperture> OKAY NOW I know what you're talking about
2015-10-26T11:04:08 < Amperture> I'm an idiot who should probably go to sleep
2015-10-26T11:04:11 < Amperture> don't mind me
2015-10-26T11:04:41 < Amperture> Yeah I'm sure they have good HAL's for their DSP line, just haven't touched them...I probably should. I'm just more familiar with their ARM and MSP430 stuff
2015-10-26T11:05:08 < PeterM> sync intradesting http://www.troll.me/images/zandolf/intradesting.jpg
2015-10-26T11:05:12 < Amperture> Yeah their C2000 is the DSP controllers
2015-10-26T11:06:10 < Amperture> Can I just say it feels REALLY weird, perhaps refreshing, that I'm seeing 4chan-esque banter in an ECE IRC channel?
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2015-10-26T11:06:25 < Sync> yeah, that's what I thought PeterM
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2015-10-26T11:17:48 < dongs> hm sounds like crap but im sure im fucking stuff up
2015-10-26T11:18:03 < dongs> sholud probly read about dac triggering
2015-10-26T11:18:11 < dongs> i think sample rate is way off
2015-10-26T11:19:22 < dongs> hm wat how do I configure it in "12 bit" mode
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2015-10-26T11:29:07 < dongs> k. keil crashing on every fucking flash upload is getting very old
2015-10-26T11:29:16 < dongs> time to pull out my ulink2 and wait for jewlink retards to fix shit
2015-10-26T11:31:54 < Sync> obv pro softwarez
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2015-10-26T11:43:52 < dongs> ya
2015-10-26T11:44:13 < dongs> also i should probly force this 150k pcm block into high flash so i dont have to erase it every time
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2015-10-26T11:56:35 < Ecco> Hi guys :)
2015-10-26T11:56:58 < Ecco> ok so I had a bad experience w/ oshpark
2015-10-26T11:57:04 < Ecco> What online fab should I try next?
2015-10-26T11:57:10 < Ecco> (I'm in Europe, FWIW)
2015-10-26T11:57:23 < Ecco> (and OSHPark took *ages* to ship to my place)
2015-10-26T11:59:08 < dongs> damn
2015-10-26T11:59:12 < dongs> what the fuck can I use for bin2h?????????????
2015-10-26T11:59:41 < dongs> i dont wanna write my own shit
2015-10-26T11:59:55 < Sync> python
2015-10-26T11:59:59 < dongs> fuck right off
2015-10-26T12:00:12 < dongs> time to load vstudio
2015-10-26T12:01:26 < Sync> how can you hate the python shell, it is super handy
2015-10-26T12:02:03 < dongs> im not gonna be using write-only languages  kthx
2015-10-26T12:02:17 < Sync> wat
2015-10-26T12:02:38 < dongs> have you ever *read* any python code?
2015-10-26T12:03:12 < emeryth> Ecco: you want cheap prototype pcbs?
2015-10-26T12:03:37 < emeryth> have you tried any china fabs?
2015-10-26T12:05:48 < Sync> yes dongs
2015-10-26T12:05:56 < dongs> sorry to hear that.
2015-10-26T12:06:29 < dongs> there's not a single fucking util that wil ldump bin>.h and specify datatype width
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2015-10-26T12:10:36 < trepidacious> Ecco: dirtypcbs.com ?
2015-10-26T12:12:12 < emeryth> also smart-prototyping, seeed, itead, elecrow
2015-10-26T12:12:22 < emeryth> they're all on the same level
2015-10-26T12:17:20 < trepidacious> Ecco: I've seen a few things from dirtypcbs (all 2 layer) and they were nice boards, quick turnaround (I think only a little over a week) and really really cheap, OSHPark seems very expensive to me
2015-10-26T12:25:07 < dongs> huh
2015-10-26T12:25:14 < dongs> do I need to DC offset shit going to dac
2015-10-26T12:25:19 < dongs> or can I give it negative numberrs
2015-10-26T12:25:55 < trepidacious> dongs: When I've used the DAC on an F4 it's been 0 to 1023, with an offset
2015-10-26T12:26:01 < trepidacious> for audio or something?
2015-10-26T12:26:06 < dongs> right.. im looking at this dumb pcm player thing
2015-10-26T12:26:07 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-26T12:26:11 < dongs> and its just feeding it dma as-is
2015-10-26T12:26:13 < Ecco> I'll give dirtypcbs a shot then :)
2015-10-26T12:26:15 < dongs> unless im missing a conversion step somewehre
2015-10-26T12:28:34 < trepidacious> or 127 for 8 bit data I guess
2015-10-26T12:29:32 < trepidacious> Ecco: One thing to note - they will make panelised designs (or at least they used to, it says somewhere on the page), so if you have a small board you can cram lots of them into 50x50mm or 100x100mm
2015-10-26T12:32:42 < dongs> wtfffff
2015-10-26T12:37:17 < Ecco> trepidacious: Newbie quesiton: what's a panelised design?
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2015-10-26T12:40:37 < trepidacious> Ecco: Lots of copies of the same PCB in one gerber file
2015-10-26T12:40:51 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-26T12:41:12 < Ecco> So do you mean I should send them a 100x100mm gerber?
2015-10-26T12:41:44 < dongs> ugh
2015-10-26T12:41:53 < dongs> it just sounds like retarded noisy shit and i duno wtf is up
2015-10-26T12:45:05 < dongs> i guess is hould try doing 8bit first
2015-10-26T12:45:07 < dongs> then figure out 12bit
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2015-10-26T12:50:56 < trepidacious> Ecco: You can pick a size when you submit, so I would go check what size the accept, work out what you can fit in it, and then if it turns out you can fit more than one of your PCB you can set up the gerbers that way. You don't NEED to, it just gets you more boards. If you only want a few it might not be worth it. However you do things you obviously have to allow for the size of PCB they will make.
2015-10-26T12:51:28 < ReadError> its kind of a pain this arse ;(
2015-10-26T12:51:39 < ReadError> I figured it out but the pros do it much nicer
2015-10-26T12:51:58 < Ecco> I understand. Thanks a lot for your help trepidacious
2015-10-26T12:52:51 < trepidacious> dongs: We ended up using 8 bit, it's kind of ok, sounds a little better with a filter
2015-10-26T12:53:11 < trepidacious> If you want really good sound I guess an I2S IC instead of just DAC?
2015-10-26T12:57:00 < Ecco> These guys are offering a bunch of different PCB thickness
2015-10-26T12:57:06 < Ecco> is 0.6mm too fragile?
2015-10-26T12:57:17 < ReadError> depends on your application i guess
2015-10-26T12:57:28 < Ecco> Well, I don't have a case built just yet
2015-10-26T12:57:35 < Ecco> so I'm hand-handling the PCB quite a lot
2015-10-26T12:57:36 < ReadError> the HAB guys use really thin PCBs
2015-10-26T12:57:41 < Ecco> HAB?
2015-10-26T12:57:41 < ReadError> since they need to be light
2015-10-26T12:57:58 < ReadError> space ballon folks like Laurenceb
2015-10-26T12:58:00 < Ecco> ok
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2015-10-26T13:03:44 < karlp> Amperture: tiva is dead, long live msp432....
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2015-10-26T13:12:42 < dongs> trepidacious: eh, i just want it to work really.
2015-10-26T13:12:50 < dongs> ive got some pcm data @ 16khz sampling
2015-10-26T13:12:55 < dongs> using tim6 trgo thing
2015-10-26T13:13:22 < trepidacious> dongs: I can have a look at how I'm doing it, but I think I might have used the dreaded ChibiOS drivers ;)
2015-10-26T13:13:48 < dongs> tim6 is on apb1
2015-10-26T13:13:51 < dongs> so its /4 hclk
2015-10-26T13:14:30 < dongs> so my timer period should be 168000000/4/16384(my sample rate)
2015-10-26T13:14:42 < dongs> trepidacious: i tihnk its just the data being dumb/wrong
2015-10-26T13:15:17 < trepidacious> Ah - if it's pcm you would have to convert it to a plain binary raw format?
2015-10-26T13:15:18 < dongs> if I use that, the sound sounds way too fast
2015-10-26T13:15:28 < dongs> well, im converting
2015-10-26T13:15:33 < trepidacious> ah ok
2015-10-26T13:17:41 < dongs> fucking retarded ST docs
2015-10-26T13:17:41 < dongs>   TIM3 input clock (TIM6CLK) is set to 2 * APB1 clock (PCLK1),
2015-10-26T13:17:41 < dongs>   since APB1 prescaler is different from 1.
2015-10-26T13:17:49 < dongs> TIM3 and then taling about TIM6
2015-10-26T13:18:11 < dongs> well, i guess they're both on apb1 so thats ok
2015-10-26T13:20:05 < dongs> ah but TIM6 runs at 2x apb1clk, so 84mhz
2015-10-26T13:22:29 < dongs> k my signedness is wrong
2015-10-26T13:22:37 < dongs> audio looks like shit on scope
2015-10-26T13:26:02 < jubatus> I wonder what shit looks like, on scope
2015-10-26T13:26:19 < dongs> yay its fucking working
2015-10-26T13:26:25 < dongs> at double speed tho. so i gitta figure that out
2015-10-26T13:26:33 < karlp> tim6 probbly isn't 2x?
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2015-10-26T13:26:56 < dongs> it is
2015-10-26T13:28:40 < karlp> aandrew: what's a deflection amplifier? only thing I find is that it's part of an analog scope?
2015-10-26T13:31:15 < jubatus> karlp: its the amp that generates the voltage that makes the dot go across the screen
2015-10-26T13:31:33 < jubatus> horizontally
2015-10-26T13:33:22 < trepidacious> dongs: Cool :)
2015-10-26T13:33:46 < trepidacious> dongs: Or just keep dividing or multiplying by two until it works :)
2015-10-26T13:34:16 < dongs> yeah, there was 2 things
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2015-10-26T13:34:22 < dongs> my pcm buffer was /2
2015-10-26T13:34:28 < dongs> but shoulda been not
2015-10-26T13:34:31 < dongs> buffer size that is
2015-10-26T13:34:40 < dongs> my period calculation was correct tho
2015-10-26T13:34:58 < karlp> jubatus: right, yeah, that's what I found.  I wasns't sure people were still making brand new CRT driver stuff.
2015-10-26T13:34:59 < dongs> 84000000/16384
2015-10-26T13:35:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ug-tAw93-g < trepidacious
2015-10-26T13:35:39 < jubatus> karlp: I don't think so either. Maybe it has some other meaning in a different context.
2015-10-26T13:36:05 < karlp> jubatus: which is why I asked aandrew ;)
2015-10-26T13:37:32 < dongs> yeah im sure hes makign a new 8layer board for a pro analolg scope
2015-10-26T13:37:37 < trepidacious> dongs: That doesn't sound too bad :) Mind you I'm half-deaf ;)
2015-10-26T13:38:02 < dongs> trepidacious: the source data is crappy, and im sure my current math of dcoffsetting it would make emeb puke
2015-10-26T13:38:19 < dongs> ((int16_t)buf[i] + 32768) / 32
2015-10-26T13:38:28 < dongs> is wat im doing, which is im sure wrong :)
2015-10-26T13:39:00 < trepidacious> Looks ok to me, I guess the sign stuff must work out
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2015-10-26T13:39:27 < trepidacious> It definitely makes a difference what audio you use, some stuff sounds better because it doesn't show up the crappy bit depth
2015-10-26T13:39:32 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-26T13:40:00 < dongs> the sinewave was very clean on this, so I just need to properly filter/process the pcm im gonna use to make sure it sounds good
2015-10-26T13:40:44 < dongs> k time to get stoned
2015-10-26T13:40:46 < dongs> enough innovation for today
2015-10-26T13:41:28 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_P-54lzDc
2015-10-26T13:41:29 < ReadError> lol
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2015-10-26T13:55:38 < Tectu> why does it say  -20kV source?
2015-10-26T13:56:04 < Tectu> wait... isn´t that dongs channel?
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2015-10-26T14:12:53 < ReadError> Tectu yes
2015-10-26T14:13:01 < ReadError> it was at the end of his vid posted as recommended
2015-10-26T14:16:41 < karlp> you may be missing the ocntext for why he was "fixing" it like that...
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2015-10-26T14:25:34 < ReadError> trying to RMA ?
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2015-10-26T14:30:57 < karlp> yeah, some known issue that had a workaround of, "restart your phone every few days"
2015-10-26T14:31:08 < karlp> wanted to make sure they actually fixed it for him :)
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2015-10-26T14:38:31 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/gWoICum.gifv
2015-10-26T14:43:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAdIsQWWYw someone spend 10k on this and see if its worth using for prototyping
2015-10-26T14:43:24 < Laurenceb> whats the bit in the middle?
2015-10-26T14:43:28 < Laurenceb> with LEDs  ?
2015-10-26T14:43:39 < dongs> alignment/vision
2015-10-26T14:43:42 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-10-26T14:43:49 < Laurenceb> usually thats built into the head
2015-10-26T14:43:50 < dongs> bottom bga alignment, and check/align chip parts
2015-10-26T14:43:55 < Laurenceb> interesting design
2015-10-26T14:43:58 < dongs> not for bottom vision
2015-10-26T14:44:04 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-10-26T14:44:07 < dongs> chip align can be in the head but doesnt need to be
2015-10-26T14:44:19 < dongs> stuff with like 16 heads use lasers that are still on the bottom/side
2015-10-26T14:45:11 < Laurenceb> looks good, but I wonder how long the bearings last
2015-10-26T14:45:20 < Sync> doesn't look super shitty
2015-10-26T14:45:26 < Sync> thhe mechanical system is ass
2015-10-26T14:45:28 < Sync> but eh
2015-10-26T14:45:45 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-10-26T14:45:47 < Sync> at least they are using steppers with good drives
2015-10-26T14:45:56 < Sync> no EEEEEEE like cheapshit
2015-10-26T14:46:27 < Sync> I mean, if the feeders are okay, why not
2015-10-26T14:46:27 < dongs> only problem is only 30 feeders
2015-10-26T14:46:30 < dongs> my shit takes 60
2015-10-26T14:46:45 < dongs> i wonder what the setup time is
2015-10-26T14:47:31 < Sync> yeah 30 feeders is meh
2015-10-26T14:49:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E&feature=youtu.be
2015-10-26T14:50:14 < dongs> more unfunny trash
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2015-10-26T14:52:13 < jadew> yes post funny stuff
2015-10-26T14:52:18 < jadew> I start work in 10 minutes
2015-10-26T14:52:32 < jadew> oh wait, that's a cartoon
2015-10-26T14:53:50 < dongs> i guess at 10k each you can just buy 2 of them and load different sets of stuff in it.
2015-10-26T14:53:55 < dongs> to get 60 feeders.
2015-10-26T14:54:05 < dongs> which is wat pro places do anyway.
2015-10-26T14:55:06 < jadew> 20k for prototyping?
2015-10-26T14:55:48 < dongs> i think my total investment for my dickplace was around 50k with extra feeders and shit
2015-10-26T14:56:06 < dongs> probly cant evne sell it unless some crazy jap wants it
2015-10-26T14:56:08 < Ecco> In general, what PCB thickness do you guys use?
2015-10-26T14:56:12 < dongs> Ecco: standard is 1.6
2015-10-26T14:56:19 < Ecco> I mean, Dirtypcbs offers 0.8, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.6
2015-10-26T14:56:24 < Ecco> I have no clue which one to chose
2015-10-26T14:56:27 < dongs> 1.6
2015-10-26T14:56:29 < Ecco> I had 1.6 from OSHPark
2015-10-26T14:56:36 < Ecco> it was ok but indeed seems a bit thick
2015-10-26T14:56:40 < jadew> dongs, was it worth it?
2015-10-26T14:56:52 < Ecco> Apparently STM32F4Disco is 1.6mm thick too
2015-10-26T14:56:54 < jadew> Ecco, thick for what?
2015-10-26T14:56:59 < Ecco> jadew: I don't know
2015-10-26T14:57:04 < dongs> jadew: for sure, it paid for itself with like first few production orders i did with it
2015-10-26T14:57:04 < jadew> so it was ok
2015-10-26T14:57:16 < jadew> dongs, I see
2015-10-26T14:57:43 < jadew> you must be making some serious cash
2015-10-26T14:58:03 < dongs> this was years ago tho, and its becoming a bit shit compared to modern tech
2015-10-26T14:58:21 < dongs> and the jap who's making this shit is dying soon so i'm not sure tehres gonna be much improvements to shitty software once he dies
2015-10-26T14:58:44 < zyp> haha
2015-10-26T15:00:31 < ReadMobl> Ecco: 1.6mm is standard
2015-10-26T15:00:49 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-26T15:01:01 < Ecco> Why do they offer so many choices?
2015-10-26T15:01:30 < Ecco> Would it be useful to pick something a bit thinner?
2015-10-26T15:01:39 < dongs> dude, it depends on what hte fuck youre doing
2015-10-26T15:01:45 < Ecco> Yeah I guess
2015-10-26T15:01:57 < Ecco> But I can't find any doc that explains why there are so many choices
2015-10-26T15:01:59 < Ecco> and how to pick
2015-10-26T15:02:06 < ReadMobl> Heh
2015-10-26T15:02:26 < Ecco> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/S111FlipChipBack.jpg/1280px-S111FlipChipBack.jpg
2015-10-26T15:02:36 < Ecco> '67 design :)
2015-10-26T15:03:02 < Tectu> uhm, that was back the days where one used to draw the traces manually with a permanent marked right
2015-10-26T15:03:13 < Ecco> it does have a certain charm
2015-10-26T15:03:27 < jadew> especially that trace that is cut off
2015-10-26T15:03:27 < dongs> nice mask
2015-10-26T15:03:30 < ReadMobl> Acid played a part im sure too
2015-10-26T15:03:50 < jadew> the one at the top
2015-10-26T15:03:53 < jadew> there's a chunk missing
2015-10-26T15:04:17 < Ecco> ok, found something :) http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/56554/what-are-the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-thinner-pcb-thickness-1-6-mm-or-0?rq=1
2015-10-26T15:04:56 < ReadMobl> Tectu any update on chibi+ugfx on f7 disco?
2015-10-26T15:05:04 < jadew> you didn't ask that tho
2015-10-26T15:05:26 < Ecco> well, yes. But that somewhat answers my questions :)
2015-10-26T15:06:08 < dongs> I've had some 0.3mm 4L boards made.
2015-10-26T15:06:12 < dongs> you could bend it almost like paper.
2015-10-26T15:06:19 < Laurenceb> nice
2015-10-26T15:06:37  * Laurenceb has a ton of issues with flexi pcb projects
2015-10-26T15:06:43 < Laurenceb> vias keep cracking
2015-10-26T15:06:43 < jadew> the thing is that if you're not doing high frequency stuff, you don't have much to worry about regarding PCB thickness
2015-10-26T15:07:18 < dongs> ya
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2015-10-26T15:15:32 < dongs> http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/salon-boss-freezes-to-death-after-being-trapped-for-10-hours/ wat
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2015-10-26T15:16:09 < Laurenceb> hahaha unilad
2015-10-26T15:16:20 < dongs> is that like a trollbloid
2015-10-26T15:16:26 < Laurenceb> dongs must be like the only person who reads that trash
2015-10-26T15:16:36 < dongs> im retweeting shit from another dumb brit
2015-10-26T15:16:39 < dongs> who probably does read it
2015-10-26T15:16:59 < Laurenceb> lul
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2015-10-26T15:17:33 < Laurenceb> its more like a troll version of buzzfeed
2015-10-26T15:17:37 < Laurenceb> so fail + troll
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2015-10-26T15:18:57 < Sync> how can such a thing not be designed in a way that is safe to open from the inside
2015-10-26T15:19:00 < Sync> wat
2015-10-26T15:19:06 < dongs> ikr
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2015-10-26T15:27:54 < jadew> "The 24-year-old was discovered by her best friend, who _claimed_ he was devastated."
2015-10-26T15:28:25 < jadew> ah, the first commenter noticed that too
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2015-10-26T15:29:39 < jadew> http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/drunk-man-strips-on-plane-swings-his-dick-around-offers-flight-attendants-sex/
2015-10-26T15:29:53 < jadew> I guess it's a different kind of magazine
2015-10-26T15:31:34 < Laurenceb> lol the photo
2015-10-26T15:32:16 < jadew> then there's a nother story within the story:
2015-10-26T15:32:22 < jadew> "There was a girl who was so drunk that she was offering sex to airport employees. The group were chanting and shouting. One could see that they were very drunk. The girl even offered sex to police officers at the scene who were trying to calm the situation down. The girl is understood to have been arrested later."
2015-10-26T15:32:32 < Laurenceb> cool story bro
2015-10-26T15:32:39 < jadew> *another
2015-10-26T15:32:52 < jadew> completely urelated and unintroduced
2015-10-26T15:33:07 < jadew> it's like "we also heard about this:"
2015-10-26T15:34:16 < Laurenceb> lol good news 4 me  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34636464
2015-10-26T15:34:30 < Laurenceb> everyone always thinks I'm black, epic lulz result
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2015-10-26T15:35:29 < Laurenceb> also pretending to be a grrl on irc is fun
2015-10-26T15:35:38 < Laurenceb> lots of PMs with dick shots
2015-10-26T15:36:26 < jadew> most of the names on the CVs I get to read are not even pronounceable
2015-10-26T15:37:27 < jadew> Shrijlkapt Rajes
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2015-10-26T15:39:29 < jadew> and there is a bias forming over time, but it's more of an expectation that can get disproven on the preliminary phone call: "I'm not going to understand this guy"
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2015-10-26T15:41:01 < dongs> oh niice
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2015-10-26T15:41:15 < dongs> surface bro4 keyboard has the rightclick windows key
2015-10-26T15:41:27 < dongs> that raged me endlessly on bro3
2015-10-26T15:41:33 < jadew> bro?
2015-10-26T15:41:47 < dongs> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9727/SP4Keyboard_575px.JPG
2015-10-26T15:41:47 < jadew> ah
2015-10-26T15:42:20 < jadew> I don't have it either on my lenovo keyboard
2015-10-26T15:42:39 < dongs> how the fuck can you compute
2015-10-26T15:42:51 < dongs> its like the most useful button after winkey
2015-10-26T15:43:12 < jadew> well, I couldn't get used to it, but from different reasons
2015-10-26T15:43:21 < jadew> I rarely use the menu key
2015-10-26T15:46:38 < artag> I call troll. I never used winkey in my life.
2015-10-26T15:46:57 < dongs> artag: thats cuz youre a lunix fgt
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2015-10-26T15:47:07 < dongs> they cant even remap it to start button in KDE
2015-10-26T15:47:28 < dongs> i had to google about a month ago how to open KDE menu form keyboard
2015-10-26T15:47:52 < artag> dongs: even in the old days when I still used windows for things
2015-10-26T15:48:42 < dongs> artag: i like winkey, all the winkey+combos in windows 8.x/10, etc.
2015-10-26T15:48:55 < dongs> you can start up pinned apps  with winkey+number
2015-10-26T15:49:11 < dongs> i got all teh shit i commonly used pinned, so my productivity is such high wow
2015-10-26T15:49:34 < artag> if they stop you having to jump mouse/keyboard they're good. too many modern interfaces try to switch from one to the other. they're crap.
2015-10-26T15:50:07 < dongs> well lunix desktop is completely unusable from keyboard
2015-10-26T15:50:12 < dongs> and osx
2015-10-26T15:50:44 < artag> i got all my apps on keystrokes. There are lots of apps so you need a few keystrokes like 'emacs\n' and 'cc\n'
2015-10-26T15:50:59 < dongs> i bet
2015-10-26T15:51:11 < dongs> you're trolling tho
2015-10-26T15:51:17 < dongs> cuz once you haev emacs running y ou dont need anything else
2015-10-26T15:51:19 < artag> maybe a little. #
2015-10-26T15:52:02 < artag> also, you still have to invoke the things inside emacs. it's just a non-crippled IDE
2015-10-26T15:53:34 < tkoskine> I still have working IBM Thinkpad T42, which does not have any Windows keys. :)
2015-10-26T15:54:34 < artag> what does the special thinkpad key do ? I though it was supposed to be for boot options but the bios tells you to press enter for them
2015-10-26T15:56:55 < tkoskine> I don't remember anymore. You can press it during boot, and you probably see some special boot options then, but I am not sure.
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2015-10-26T16:13:57 < karlp> dongs: what do you do with the menu key? I use win key a lot, but never menu key
2015-10-26T16:22:38 < karlp> dongs: were you looking at DSI or something in new stdperiph lib? there's a new f469 disco board, with mipi dsi touch screen  http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/CL1620/SC959/SS1532/LN1848/PF262395
2015-10-26T16:25:13 < karlp> why does it have three microphones though?
2015-10-26T16:26:06 < zyp> another silly discovery board without proper headers?
2015-10-26T16:27:13 < karlp> and usb -fs and no ethernet..
2015-10-26T16:29:32 < emeryth> what do you mean without proper headers? it has the industry standard Arduino/Genuino® connector
2015-10-26T16:30:15 < gxti> who needs etherbutt when you have 3 MEMS microphones
2015-10-26T16:32:24 < Ecco> Dirtypcbs.com asks for a single file when uploading my design
2015-10-26T16:32:37 < Ecco> how should I package my gerber files?
2015-10-26T16:32:54 < Sync> .wav
2015-10-26T16:33:00 < Ecco> :-D
2015-10-26T16:33:23 < Ecco> I tried zipping them but get a "Error measuring your gerbers."
2015-10-26T16:34:00 < gxti> check what their recommended scheme is for naming the gerbers
2015-10-26T16:34:15 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-26T16:35:08 < ReadMobl> Ecco: it's been broke for a while
2015-10-26T16:35:13 < Ecco> oh
2015-10-26T16:35:24 < ReadMobl> Least on the stuff I tried, same error
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2015-10-26T16:35:31 < Ecco> so it just doesn't work anymore?
2015-10-26T16:35:39 < Ecco> they don't operate it?
2015-10-26T16:35:47 < ReadMobl> Didn't a few weeks ago
2015-10-26T16:35:50 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-26T16:36:03 < Ecco> indeed
2015-10-26T16:36:09 < Ecco> seems like I did thing like they expect them
2015-10-26T16:36:10 < Ecco> "Upload one or more PCBs on the order page. Gerber files should be inside a .zip archive with standard file extensions:
2015-10-26T16:37:58 < gxti> you get what you pay for, or don't pay for, i guess?
2015-10-26T16:38:50 < karlp> man, those MP34DT microphones ahve an unusual (to me) footprint
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2015-10-26T16:39:31 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-10-26T16:41:55 < Ecco> Oh well
2015-10-26T16:42:01 < Ecco> It seems to be working
2015-10-26T16:42:07 < Ecco> apprently it was missing the drill file
2015-10-26T16:42:44 < karlp> heh, datsheet even has a picture of the recommended SMD picker
2015-10-26T16:43:04 < Ecco> karlp: nice, what part?
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2015-10-26T17:27:59 < aandrew> karlp: this deflection amp is for an electron microscope
2015-10-26T17:28:01 < aandrew> same idea though
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2015-10-26T18:27:47 < kakimir> got your stuff jpa-
2015-10-26T18:27:49 < kakimir> thanks
2015-10-26T18:27:57 < jpa-> np
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2015-10-26T18:30:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA7Joq9F434 concider to get some pets jpa- ?
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2015-10-26T18:33:02 < Steffanx> Time to get stoned kakimir
2015-10-26T18:33:21 < Steffanx> Or not that kind of stuff?
2015-10-26T18:33:52 < kakimir> I don't understand Steffanx
2015-10-26T18:34:04 < kakimir> you mad?
2015-10-26T18:34:27 < jpa-> white powder in envelope yeah
2015-10-26T18:34:58 < kakimir> oh
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2015-10-26T18:35:14 < kakimir> it had little bag inside all rigth
2015-10-26T18:35:48 < kakimir> jpa had done good job packing the shiet
2015-10-26T18:36:19 < ReadError> hook them up wrong and huff the magic smoke
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2015-10-26T18:39:38 < kakimir> got also my first usb isolator
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2015-10-26T21:29:32 < karlp> so, if my phone went throughthe wash, what are the chances that it's just the battery that needs replacing?
2015-10-26T21:31:49 < jubatus> depends on how long it was wet. you'll have electrolytic corrosion to consider.
2015-10-26T21:33:06 < karlp> yeah, went in the wash, stopped the washing machine,  rinsed the soap of, dissassembled stuck it in a box of rice for a few days
2015-10-26T21:33:21 < karlp> everything looks pretty good, but doesn't power up anymore.
2015-10-26T21:33:37 < karlp> don't remember what the voltage readings wwere on the battery connector when it used to work, so not sure what it should be now :)
2015-10-26T21:33:40 < jubatus> you didn't take it apart ?
2015-10-26T21:33:51 < jubatus> it wont dry out in rice. that's just some urban legend.
2015-10-26T21:34:05 < jubatus> you have to open it up and drain all the water.
2015-10-26T21:34:43 < jubatus> sorry. I fail at reading.
2015-10-26T21:34:54 < ReadError> karlp battery should say the voltage on it
2015-10-26T21:35:23 < jubatus> if it charges from USB, it will be 3.7V
2015-10-26T21:35:30 < karlp> yeah, says 3.7,
2015-10-26T21:35:31 < jubatus> standard lithium poly.
2015-10-26T21:35:37 < karlp> jubatus: no, was totally stripped down
2015-10-26T21:35:51 < jubatus> karlp: yes, I missed it when you said it the first time.
2015-10-26T21:36:10 < karlp> black to red is 3.75V now that it's removed, green/white no idea what they should be.
2015-10-26T21:36:23 < karlp> so I guess the battery's still "ok" even after pulling it out a little brutally.
2015-10-26T21:36:29 < jubatus> that will be the temperature sensing thermistor. irrelevant.
2015-10-26T21:37:04 < karlp> I should really get some nylon spudgers at some point.
2015-10-26T21:37:30 < karlp> well, if it's at 3.7, like the label says, I guess there's nothing else obvious to fix.
2015-10-26T21:37:42 < jubatus> there might be some water somewhere that you missed.
2015-10-26T21:37:44 < karlp> would kinda like to get the flash contents back though, hadn't backed it up in a ilttle while
2015-10-26T21:39:38 < karlp> I guess, it's got a heavily glued on screen, and lots of cans on the mobo, so left it in the box of rice for a few days, no other real good ideas on how else to suck it out though
2015-10-26T21:40:33 < BrainDamage> does it have an humidity check sticker?
2015-10-26T21:40:33 < BrainDamage> and any sign of evident damage?
2015-10-26T21:40:55 < karlp> yeah, no obvious damage anywhere I can see, was hoping to see something blown/shorted
2015-10-26T21:40:58  * jubatus has 2 boxes of silica gel and 1 box of calcium chloride for just such occasions
2015-10-26T21:41:08 < karlp> no humi check sticker that I recognise as such at least?
2015-10-26T21:41:52 < jubatus> BrainDamage: it was in a washing machine, do you really need to check the sticker ? :)
2015-10-26T21:42:21 < BrainDamage> if it has no sticker he can turn in for generic malfunction >_>
2015-10-26T21:42:34 < jubatus> ah
2015-10-26T21:43:02 < BrainDamage> the sticker would be there exactly to prevent this
2015-10-26T21:43:48 < karlp> oh, it's too old for that,
2015-10-26T21:44:35 < karlp> https://youtu.be/KkG2mPkfGZI?t=381 shows the back screen/extra board and all the cans on the main board, I presume there's water in the back section that I can't get to
2015-10-26T21:46:21 < karlp> I guess if I want to go any further I need to pull the cans off see if I can find a flash chip
2015-10-26T21:47:19 < BrainDamage> you could displace the water with a non conductive liquid, if alcohol doesn't damage the plastic you could just flood with that
2015-10-26T21:47:25 < BrainDamage> then just let it dry
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2015-10-26T21:48:51 < karlp> hrm, is that even an option this late?
2015-10-26T21:49:13 < jubatus> yes. since you removed the battery immediately.
2015-10-26T21:49:20 < BrainDamage> assuming it's just shorted by the water and not actually fried
2015-10-26T21:49:30 < karlp> jubatus: well, only after it was washing...
2015-10-26T21:50:00 < karlp> BrainDamage: hm, yeah, ok, I guess be nice if it powered up without all being assembled.
2015-10-26T21:50:12 < karlp> it would probably be easier to flush if I popped all the cans off I guess.
2015-10-26T21:50:30 < karlp> wonder how hard it would be to get them off  and on again without damaging them...
2015-10-26T21:54:08 < karlp> hrm, no obvious damage there either
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2015-10-26T22:02:37 < Rob235> Hey
2015-10-26T22:03:27 < Rob235> where can I go to learn about system clocks?  I found this stm32f4 clock configuration spreadsheet and I don't understand any of it :/
2015-10-26T22:03:39 < ReadError> Rob235, got a good set of vids
2015-10-26T22:03:41 < ReadError> 1sec
2015-10-26T22:03:42 < karlp> try the reference manual.
2015-10-26T22:04:07 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkmk9uAMa04
2015-10-26T22:04:17 < ReadError> good set of vids, you will really understand it after them
2015-10-26T22:04:18 < Rob235> thanks i'll check it out
2015-10-26T22:04:26 < ReadError> might need to get stoned or something first as they are pretty boring
2015-10-26T22:04:34 < Rob235> already done
2015-10-26T22:04:35 < Rob235> :)
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2015-10-26T22:43:49 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcDYtektuX2VMeVk/view?usp=sharing
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2015-10-26T22:50:25 < Laurenceb_> no homo plot
2015-10-26T22:50:45 < kakimir> just gay
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2015-10-26T22:54:15 < Laurenceb_> congratulations you plotted something
2015-10-26T22:54:17 < Laurenceb_>  /sarc
2015-10-26T22:54:28 < Steffanx> That finnish language -_-
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2015-10-26T22:56:59 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ can probably plot a swastika in matlab by memory
2015-10-26T22:57:16 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-10-26T23:00:01 < kakimir> I remember spending time plotting dicks
2015-10-26T23:01:38 < kakimir> stupid kid..
2015-10-26T23:03:07 < Laurenceb_> I remember putting Tony Blair and Bush gay animations on all the school PCs when Tony Blair came to open a new school building
2015-10-26T23:03:46 < Laurenceb_> apparently it played as he walked through the building and he got trolld :D
2015-10-26T23:04:36 < kakimir> when we were in primary school we did paint drawn porn with self made sounds in power point presentation format
2015-10-26T23:04:59 < kakimir> 5th class and so
2015-10-26T23:05:06 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-10-26T23:05:16 < Laurenceb_> in finland they get hooked on pron early
2015-10-26T23:05:18 < kakimir> stored on floppy disks
2015-10-26T23:05:41 < Laurenceb_> http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1418146!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/hansen6tvf-1-web.jpg
2015-10-26T23:07:02 < kakimir> there was animations and scenes
2015-10-26T23:08:32 < Laurenceb_> heh https://archive.is/pCrkd
2015-10-26T23:09:08 < kakimir> 451.
2015-10-26T23:09:16 < kakimir> content discriminates finns
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2015-10-26T23:09:44 < Steffanx> nothing worth reading kakimir
2015-10-26T23:11:19 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/FUzj695.jpg
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2015-10-26T23:12:05 < Steffanx> i wonder if the designer of that thing offended him/herself
2015-10-26T23:12:43 < kakimir> is .is ?
2015-10-26T23:13:06 < kakimir> israels?
2015-10-26T23:13:16 < Steffanx> -s, yes
2015-10-26T23:13:33 < Steffanx> im no :P
2015-10-26T23:13:40 < Steffanx> iceland
2015-10-26T23:13:41 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.is
2015-10-26T23:14:16 < kakimir> björk
2015-10-26T23:14:39 < Steffanx> Tray thing done yet kakimir?
2015-10-26T23:14:56 < Steffanx> Im still wondering what it is/what it looks like/what it's used for
2015-10-26T23:15:00 < kakimir> not today had construction work
2015-10-26T23:15:16 < kakimir> rather have some physical work and some computer laziness per day
2015-10-26T23:15:37 < kakimir> see it when it's ready
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2015-10-26T23:18:19 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/c8bkO3l.gifv
2015-10-26T23:19:19 < Rob235> Do you have to set up the ahb/apb clocks or do you just set it up if you want something different from some default (is it the system file?)
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2015-10-26T23:21:43 < kakimir> if everything (reset value)default is ok.. you don't need to do anything
2015-10-26T23:22:28 < PaulFertser> Rob235: but usually people use some SystemInit function called from their startup and it configures clocks to non-reset values.
2015-10-26T23:22:56 < kakimir> and it has it's default values
2015-10-26T23:23:04 < kakimir> that may not suit your stuff
2015-10-26T23:23:12 < kakimir> edit it
2015-10-26T23:23:16 < kakimir> or
2015-10-26T23:23:26 < kakimir> change em in main function
2015-10-26T23:24:29 < Rob235> yea I'm guessing default is to use the internal clock so I'll want to change things anyway
2015-10-26T23:29:01 < ReadError> Rob235 did you watch the vidjays?
2015-10-26T23:29:12 < kakimir> I think that you set what you need from begin in systeminit
2015-10-26T23:29:12 < Rob235> halfway through the second one
2015-10-26T23:29:34 < ReadError> oh at some point he starts doing the code
2015-10-26T23:30:14 < Rob235> yea hes doing the code.  just wanted to check if there was some default setting that didn't require any code.  not going to use defaults though, just wanted to know.
2015-10-26T23:30:15 < kakimir> and if there is functions that are ocosionally used or so you set clocks in main function
2015-10-26T23:30:34 < kakimir> but in aplications you don't just care you set all at once
2015-10-26T23:30:41 < kakimir> in susteminit
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2015-10-26T23:36:42 < kakimir> tell me why muricans want wifi in their cars?
2015-10-26T23:37:41 < Roklobsta> fuck knows
2015-10-26T23:37:43 < kakimir> those need data service anyhow
2015-10-26T23:42:31 < Getty> cause they never saw how a good mobile network worked?
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2015-10-26T23:45:01 < kakimir> or what it should cost
2015-10-26T23:45:28 < Getty> well if you never see how it works you cant say what it should cost ;)
2015-10-26T23:45:33 < Getty> but i must say, the price was good
2015-10-26T23:45:36 < Simon--> I don't get it. isn't it just wifi to mobile anyway?
2015-10-26T23:45:44 < Getty> when i was there, 50$ / month to have all free
2015-10-26T23:45:57 < Getty> including international landlines
2015-10-26T23:51:27 < Getty> oh god... "pizzaburger" it happens....
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2015-10-27T01:01:03 < Rob235> I'm confused, does coide only have one supported board?
2015-10-27T01:01:08 < Rob235> everything is greyed out
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2015-10-27T01:19:08 < kakimir> no way
2015-10-27T01:19:16 < kakimir> screenshot?
2015-10-27T01:19:30 < kakimir> it has dozens of boards
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2015-10-27T02:12:24 < Laurenceb_> ur mum
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2015-10-27T02:29:31 < Rob235> hey
2015-10-27T02:30:06 < Rob235> what startup file would i use from the stm32f4 discovery driver if using coocox coide
2015-10-27T02:31:42 < zyp> the one that goes with your linker script
2015-10-27T02:32:52 < Rob235> oh the one that coide uses is much more recent so I guess i'll just use that one
2015-10-27T02:33:17 < kakimir> the only korea has made itself it's own timezone
2015-10-27T02:33:28 < kakimir> minus half hour
2015-10-27T02:34:35 < kakimir> because hideous japanise have stolen their timezone
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2015-10-27T02:36:02 < kakimir> interesting ideas
2015-10-27T02:38:05 < kakimir> they should do more stuff like that to stand out
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2015-10-27T02:47:35 < c945> i'm confused, why callibration (CAL) flag in the ADC1 do not reset
2015-10-27T02:49:33 < kakimir> what chip
2015-10-27T02:49:52 < kakimir> how does you code look like?
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2015-10-27T02:52:15 < c945> stm32f100 discovery board ( code: http://pastebin.com/UUxQSeE5 )
2015-10-27T02:54:31 < c945> i use hse clock without pll, so i think adc1 have 4mhz clock
2015-10-27T02:56:09 < kakimir> "i think" so there is slight "maybe"
2015-10-27T02:56:34 < c945> i try to reset adc1 after enabling clock, nothing happen
2015-10-27T02:56:56 < kakimir> show clock related stuff
2015-10-27T02:57:28 < Rob235> anyone use CoIDE? Is there a difference between the HAL drivers and the standard periph drivers?
2015-10-27T02:58:41 < kakimir> there is COOCOX drivers
2015-10-27T02:59:02 < kakimir> and maybe something by another provider
2015-10-27T03:00:14 < kakimir> but coocox do their own HAL drivers for chips
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2015-10-27T03:01:00 < Rob235> any benefits of either?
2015-10-27T03:02:45 < kakimir> I don't know what that another set of drivers is
2015-10-27T03:03:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYYwM6aNegs kitten
2015-10-27T03:08:37 < dongs> karlp: right, i was too stoned to notioce F469/79 != F7xx
2015-10-27T03:09:37 < kakimir> Rob235: coocox hal has like functions for everything
2015-10-27T03:10:58 < kakimir> some don't like it and some use them and some hate em for using those hal functions
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2015-10-27T03:11:41 < kakimir> but I have not found too much ridicule in coocox hal to abadon those hals yet
2015-10-27T03:13:34 < kakimir> too tired to think about it now.. good nite>
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2015-10-27T03:35:02 < dongs> nobody talks in #fpga
2015-10-27T03:35:08 < dongs> like ever
2015-10-27T03:35:29 < aandrew> wtf are you talking about
2015-10-27T03:35:32 < aandrew> they talk all the time there
2015-10-27T03:35:41 < aandrew> it was megascrollback today
2015-10-27T03:39:59 < upgrdman> seems like ##fpga is more active than here, but like half of it is azon
2015-10-27T03:40:45 < dongs> oh that fucking stoner
2015-10-27T03:40:50 < dongs> well then tehres nothign to do there
2015-10-27T03:40:59 < dongs> that guy blows so much hot air, more trolling isnt needed in there
2015-10-27T03:41:23 < dongs> if I could bullshit as much as he does I'd probly have a MIT bullshitting diploma
2015-10-27T03:43:23 < dongs> has he opened a patreon yet
2015-10-27T03:43:36 < dongs> to collect donations for his research lab
2015-10-27T03:45:08 < Rob235> how long does it take to compile stm32 periph drivers? I think it's frozen :/
2015-10-27T03:45:19 < dongs> ... like 2 seconds?
2015-10-27T03:45:20 < upgrdman> not long
2015-10-27T03:45:22 < Sync> a few seconds at best?
2015-10-27T03:45:24 < upgrdman> ya like 2 seconds
2015-10-27T03:45:45 < Rob235> ive tried a couple times now, why can't things just work?
2015-10-27T03:45:54 < upgrdman> getting errors?
2015-10-27T03:46:19 < Rob235> no, the console window goes blank and it still says building in the corner and the program is unresponsive
2015-10-27T03:46:28 < Rob235> well I could be getting errors before it clears
2015-10-27T03:46:58 < upgrdman> ? ide?
2015-10-27T03:47:04 < Rob235> CoIDE
2015-10-27T03:47:14 < Rob235> what do you guys use
2015-10-27T03:47:21 < upgrdman> i use makefile
2015-10-27T03:47:25 < upgrdman> and geany
2015-10-27T03:47:35 < upgrdman> but been playing with getting eclipse working
2015-10-27T03:47:56 < upgrdman> if you want my linux notes on how to do f0 with a command line:
2015-10-27T03:48:09 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/
2015-10-27T03:49:08 < emeb_mac> geany!
2015-10-27T03:49:13 < emeb_mac> is that still a thing?
2015-10-27T03:49:48 < Sync> yup
2015-10-27T03:50:15 < upgrdman> its simply and fast. i like it.
2015-10-27T03:50:29 < emeb_mac> wow - I remember trying that years ago. seemed ok. never looked into it recently tho
2015-10-27T03:50:44 < upgrdman> its "ok"
2015-10-27T03:51:03 < upgrdman> i would NOT want to use it to work on other people code though. not so good at helping you figure shit out
2015-10-27T03:51:05 < emeb_mac> I do like the idea of a stripped down IDE that can handle the compile / debug cycle w/o drama
2015-10-27T03:51:48 < upgrdman> ya i just set three of the geany toolbar icons to "make clean" "make" and "make install"
2015-10-27T03:52:07 < Bright> i use eclipse
2015-10-27T03:52:13 < Bright> well i set it up the other day
2015-10-27T03:52:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya its minimal. hence why i have been working on getting eclipse to work and suck less for stm32 fuckery
2015-10-27T03:55:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, if you hate the eclipse theme as much as i do, google for "jeeeyul theme" ... super fucking awesome plugin. makes eclipse look much less gay
2015-10-27T03:56:03 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-27T03:56:47 < Rob235> screw this coide 2.0 beta, I'm going to try 1.7.8
2015-10-27T03:58:52 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, oh and your audio mixer idea worked nicely. thanks.
2015-10-27T03:59:30 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: yay!
2015-10-27T03:59:55 < emeb_mac> just your basic passive mixer.
2015-10-27T04:00:00 < emeb_mac> so audiophool
2015-10-27T04:00:11 < upgrdman> srsly
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2015-10-27T04:04:32 < dongs> emeb_mac: oh youre here
2015-10-27T04:04:37 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-10-27T04:04:42 < dongs> did you see my pro audio dicking yesterday
2015-10-27T04:04:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ug-tAw93-g
2015-10-27T04:05:09 < dongs> looksing for tipz how to improve
2015-10-27T04:05:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: looking...
2015-10-27T04:05:57 < dongs> im using DAC2, i have 16bit mono PCM that I'm processing like: ((int16_t)buf[i] + 32768) / 32; and then DMA that over to dac.
2015-10-27T04:06:14 < dongs> but thats probvly not a very good way to make 12bit data out of 16bits
2015-10-27T04:08:01 < emeb_mac> why /32? Should be /16
2015-10-27T04:08:13 < dongs> it was kinda clipping at /16
2015-10-27T04:08:19 < dongs> but is that even legit way of doing it?
2015-10-27T04:08:25 < emeb_mac> sure
2015-10-27T04:08:50 < emeb_mac> there's a bit of rounding error, but it's 72dB down. Not worth worrying about.
2015-10-27T04:09:16 < emeb_mac> I use the left-justified DAC register and then you don't even need to shift
2015-10-27T04:09:31 < dongs> oh hm
2015-10-27T04:09:34 < dongs> i was looking at that
2015-10-27T04:09:43 < dongs> so it uses high end bits and discards the low?
2015-10-27T04:09:58 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-10-27T04:10:15 < dongs> hmmmmmmmm
2015-10-27T04:10:28 < dongs> but i still need + 32768 right
2015-10-27T04:10:33 < dongs> to center it
2015-10-27T04:11:03 < emeb_mac> yes, you need to convert from signed to offset binary format that the DAC uses
2015-10-27T04:11:37 < dongs> DHR12L2 on the way
2015-10-27T04:11:41 < emeb_mac> I use xor 0x8000
2015-10-27T04:11:45 < dongs> why teh fuck
2015-10-27T04:11:53 < emeb_mac> which just flips the ms bit
2015-10-27T04:11:58 < dongs> do all DMA samples in ST examples
2015-10-27T04:12:02 < dongs> use fuckign raw address
2015-10-27T04:12:07 < dongs> instead of shit liek &DAC->FOO
2015-10-27T04:12:09 < zyp> +32768 or xor32768 is the same operation
2015-10-27T04:12:09 < dongs> god damn
2015-10-27T04:12:23 < emeb_mac> not the same unless it's a 16-bit value
2015-10-27T04:12:25 < dongs> yeah it doesnt matter, this step is done by visualstidio antway
2015-10-27T04:12:31 < zyp> emeb_mac, well, duh
2015-10-27T04:12:33 < dongs> i prepare the fixed pcm already
2015-10-27T04:12:41 < dongs> so how long it ttakes doenst matter
2015-10-27T04:13:07 < dongs> lets see how this sounds
2015-10-27T04:13:11 < dongs> nice
2015-10-27T04:13:11 < dongs> same
2015-10-27T04:13:12 < emeb_mac> yeah - just make sure that if you're adding it doesn't saturate.
2015-10-27T04:13:21 < dongs> er?
2015-10-27T04:13:23 < dongs> why would it
2015-10-27T04:13:44 < zyp> it would if you were using saturating arithmetics
2015-10-27T04:13:55 < zyp> but you'd know if you were
2015-10-27T04:14:06 < emeb_mac> yes - sounds like hell
2015-10-27T04:14:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MUD6I1g.png
2015-10-27T04:14:17 < dongs> this is the sample
2015-10-27T04:14:26 < dongs> its not clipping anywhere so adding should be ok?
2015-10-27T04:14:35 < dongs> or should I reduce volume so it fits into that -6 dB thing
2015-10-27T04:14:53 < zyp> like I said, adding or xor is the same operation
2015-10-27T04:15:15 < dongs> wait if its 16bit signed
2015-10-27T04:15:26 < dongs> oh, but result goes into unsigned
2015-10-27T04:15:27 < dongs> so its ok
2015-10-27T04:16:28 < emeb_mac> wonder why /32 sounded better for you
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2015-10-27T04:17:23 < dongs> volume?
2015-10-27T04:17:30 < emeb_mac> probably
2015-10-27T04:17:32 < dongs> i think the amp is overdriving
2015-10-27T04:17:34 < zyp> analog stage clipping?
2015-10-27T04:17:35 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-27T04:18:10 < emeb_mac> that's with that tiny speaker amp you were talking about a few weeks back
2015-10-27T04:18:20 < dongs> i did the left-align amd /4
2015-10-27T04:18:22 < dongs> and
2015-10-27T04:18:34 < dongs> it sounds nice
2015-10-27T04:18:51 < zyp> can't you reduce the output gain on the dac or something?
2015-10-27T04:18:59 < dongs> i duno can i?
2015-10-27T04:19:03 < emeb_mac> don't think so
2015-10-27T04:19:09 < dongs> there's this shit dac.DAC_OutputBuffer = DAC_OutputBuffer_Disable;
2015-10-27T04:19:30 < emeb_mac> yeah - that only increases the current drive, not the voltage
2015-10-27T04:19:32 < dongs> no diffference in sound
2015-10-27T04:19:41 < dongs> either one works ok
2015-10-27T04:20:14 < dongs> anyway /4 sounds perfect, no clipping
2015-10-27T04:20:18 < dongs> just a bit too quiet
2015-10-27T04:20:21 < emeb_mac> simple
2015-10-27T04:20:30 < emeb_mac> only downside is that the noise floor is higher
2015-10-27T04:20:38 < dongs> and yea that PAM8103 or wahtever thing works ok
2015-10-27T04:22:27 < dongs> 8301
2015-10-27T04:23:05 < emeb_mac> dongs: you can use this to make it talk -> https://github.com/emeb/f051_discovery_talk
2015-10-27T04:23:20 < emeb_mac> just send data to DAC instead of PWM
2015-10-27T04:23:30 < zyp> haha, cute
2015-10-27T04:24:11 < dongs> whats the sample rate on that
2015-10-27T04:24:18 < emeb_mac> 8kHz
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2015-10-27T04:24:57 < dongs> oh but the talking stuff is just some predefined samples
2015-10-27T04:26:20 < emeb_mac> yeah - compressed LPC from ancient TI stuff
2015-10-27T04:26:34 < emeb_mac> there's a full text-to-speech system out there tho
2015-10-27T04:26:43 < dongs> Talkie library for Arduino aids
2015-10-27T04:26:50 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-10-27T04:28:30 < dongs> o well this is good enough
2015-10-27T04:28:42 < dongs> with a differnt speaker it might even sound OK louder
2015-10-27T04:29:04 < dongs> if I hold that shitty one i got making kinda like a enclosure it sounds much louder
2015-10-27T04:29:39 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-10-27T04:30:06 < emeb_mac> all you need is a baffle to keep the pressure waves from back & front from immediately cancelling out
2015-10-27T04:30:22 < emeb_mac> get a sheet of cardboard and cut a hole for the speaker
2015-10-27T04:38:42 < aandrew> I worked with Loquendo's TTS and STT libraries. company I worked with for that had a full time linquist on staff to help tune the system
2015-10-27T04:46:24 < zyp> was it a cunning linguist?
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2015-10-27T04:48:32 < emeb_mac> hrhr
2015-10-27T04:48:55 < emeb_mac> my understanding was that the TI LPC speech libraries were also heavily tweaked.
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2015-10-27T05:02:02 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://i.imgur.com/k1tu3.jpg
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2015-10-27T05:28:38 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/39UF7tA.gifv
2015-10-27T05:32:05 < dongs> mega old + fake
2015-10-27T05:32:08 < dongs> you can see the wire
2015-10-27T05:38:02 < dongs> F407 will run off 5V ^_-
2015-10-27T05:38:12 < dongs> not sure for how long but
2015-10-27T05:38:23 < dongs> accidentally powered zanocam by 5V and it was ok for a few seconds before i noticed
2015-10-27T05:38:44 < dongs> nothign, turned off power supply and changed to 3V
2015-10-27T05:45:41 < upgrdman> i ran f4 disco at 7.something volts for like 30 seconds once by accident. it still works perfect.
2015-10-27T05:45:59 < upgrdman> i only noticed because the lcd on the 3v3 rail got super dark :)
2015-10-27T05:46:43 < dongs> doesnt that have vregs tho
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2015-10-27T05:56:15 < upgrdman> nice  http://i.imgur.com/FgCNgat.gifv
2015-10-27T05:57:01 < englishman> the next elon musk
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2015-10-27T06:06:30 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/bHhWnDzh.png
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2015-10-27T06:12:01 < dongs> https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z170M-E-D3/websites/global/products/WgdQPFaMd4uaKhPc/images/5xp/mic.png surface mounted capcitors wow
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2015-10-27T06:17:15 < dongs> An exclusive circuit design with built-in voltage regulators to protect your chipset, connectivity ports, and audio codecs from damage caused by unexpected high-level voltages from unstable or inferior power supplies.
2015-10-27T06:19:33 < Rob235> hmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPfTxNS9NvQ             at 26:40 on line 20 should it be in a while loop and the == RESET be outside the parenthesis?
2015-10-27T06:20:13 < zyp> haha, stm32 tutorial on youtube
2015-10-27T06:20:45 < Rob235> why is that funny, its a good tutorial
2015-10-27T06:21:10 < Rob235> for the most part...
2015-10-27T06:21:22 < dongs> Intel® LAN- Dual interconnect between the Integrated LAN controller and Physical Layer (PHY)
2015-10-27T06:21:26 < dongs> what
2015-10-27T06:22:06 < dongs> haha is that s hit @ youtube stm32 using lunix desktop
2015-10-27T06:23:34 < zyp> and yes, that RCC_GetFlagStatus thing doesn't make sense as is
2015-10-27T06:23:45 < Rob235> ok just wanted to make sure
2015-10-27T06:23:51 < englishman> wat, looks like win10 to me
2015-10-27T06:24:09 < englishman> with arab desert theme
2015-10-27T06:24:14 < zyp> yeah, it's IAR on windows
2015-10-27T06:24:46 < dongs> oh wow that UI looked so bad i thought it was lunix
2015-10-27T06:25:00 < dongs> that treeview on the left holy shit
2015-10-27T06:25:08 < dongs> 1998 called
2015-10-27T06:25:16 < dongs> wants it windows 3.1 widgets back
2015-10-27T06:25:37 < Rob235> yea, kind of crazy for a $3k or so software title
2015-10-27T06:26:01 < dongs> this dudes coding style sucks
2015-10-27T06:26:24 < Rob235> good info though
2015-10-27T06:33:05 < Rob235> why is it useless?
2015-10-27T06:33:27 < Rob235> it explains how it works, who cares what it looks like
2015-10-27T06:34:08 < Rob235> why does it matter where the info comes from?
2015-10-27T06:35:11 < zyp> I just find it weird that people have the patience to read coding tutorials on youtube
2015-10-27T06:38:35 < upgrdman> legit neat   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp4tGTNNi1I&feature=youtu.be
2015-10-27T06:41:04 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXwr17v0gr8 got this ad
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2015-10-27T06:53:55 < englishman> pretty sure this is dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-Gn3w2gt0
2015-10-27T06:54:02 < englishman> first thing he draws is a dude and a dong
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2015-10-27T08:12:35 < dongs> no that guy is a fucking tool
2015-10-27T08:14:01 < akaWolf> zyp: there is also twitch
2015-10-27T08:14:11 < akaWolf> or something similar
2015-10-27T08:14:18 < dongs> hey, i am on twitch routing stuff sometimes.
2015-10-27T08:14:20 < akaWolf> with streams of coding pro
2015-10-27T08:15:07 < akaWolf> dongs: well... such pro ofc should make stream :)
2015-10-27T08:16:04 < dongs> R2PRO should stream his CADENCE routing session some day
2015-10-27T08:16:24 < akaWolf> I guess, he will not :)
2015-10-27T08:18:42 < dongs> cuz everyone will see his pirated orcad
2015-10-27T08:19:29 < ReadError> http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/rival-company-offers-1-alternative-pill-martin-shkreli-s-750-hiv-medication
2015-10-27T08:19:33 < ReadError> pro cloning
2015-10-27T08:21:01 < englishman> i believe you have already tried this approach
2015-10-27T08:21:02 < englishman> in the past
2015-10-27T08:21:23 < ReadError> Rob235 another pro ARM tutorial, courtesy of GargantuaSauce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNaaFw51O0
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2015-10-27T09:00:53 < kakimir> morning you dongs
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2015-10-27T09:06:36 < jadew> morning
2015-10-27T09:08:01 < dongs> blogging
2015-10-27T09:08:11 < jadew> what are you blogging about
2015-10-27T09:08:12 < jadew> ?
2015-10-27T09:08:16 < dongs> not much
2015-10-27T09:08:19 < dongs> took a nap
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2015-10-27T09:10:30 < kakimir> jadew: spit on zano
2015-10-27T09:10:35 < jadew> ptiu
2015-10-27T09:10:41 < dongs> zano is dead as fuck
2015-10-27T09:10:50 < dongs> with forums down there's no more bullshit to read
2015-10-27T09:10:50 < jadew> what happened?
2015-10-27T09:10:59 < dongs> now its just nonstop rage in comments
2015-10-27T09:11:00 < jadew> really? they took the forums down?
2015-10-27T09:12:03 < dongs> yeah like 10 days ago
2015-10-27T09:12:06 < dongs> where have you been
2015-10-27T09:12:37 < jadew> I saw something about that, but I thought they just have server difficulties
2015-10-27T09:14:57 < dongs> 3300 views on my fakezano vids
2015-10-27T09:14:57 < dongs> lo
2015-10-27T09:15:14 < jadew> monetize them
2015-10-27T09:15:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRvBAbYqg-8
2015-10-27T09:15:31 < dongs> haha
2015-10-27T09:17:26 < jadew> they took the website down too?
2015-10-27T09:17:34 < dongs> nah just forum
2015-10-27T09:17:38 < dongs> shop was up in ~24h
2015-10-27T09:17:39 < jadew> http://www.torquinggroup.com/
2015-10-27T09:17:41 < dongs> for more preorders
2015-10-27T09:17:45 < jadew> looks down
2015-10-27T09:17:45 < dongs> yeah thats been dead for a while
2015-10-27T09:21:44 < ReadError> are those t962's still known firehazards?
2015-10-27T09:21:54 < dongs> yes
2015-10-27T09:22:18 < zyp> dongs, say, what's the shit for RC radios nowadays? still frsky?
2015-10-27T09:22:21 < jadew> they look nice tho
2015-10-27T09:22:33 < jadew> I have a regular electric oven
2015-10-27T09:22:38 < zyp> ReadError, mine haven't caught fire yet
2015-10-27T09:22:39 < jadew> that stinks whenever I turn it on
2015-10-27T09:22:49 < dongs> zyp, frsky turdanis seems ok
2015-10-27T09:22:54 < dongs> mine is still in teh box
2015-10-27T09:22:59 < zyp> ah, okay
2015-10-27T09:23:09 < zyp> a friend was asking me, but I haven't kept up with shit
2015-10-27T09:23:41 < ReadError> zyp did you do the firmware flash?
2015-10-27T09:23:46 < zyp> he was asking me what I thought about Futaba 10J, I said it looked silly expensive
2015-10-27T09:23:54 < ReadError> er, custom firmware
2015-10-27T09:24:02 < ReadError> zyp fuck futuba
2015-10-27T09:24:09 < zyp> ReadError, nah, is there any good option?
2015-10-27T09:24:11 < ReadError> taranis is by far the best you can get, dollar for dollar
2015-10-27T09:24:38 < dongs> yeah no futaba
2015-10-27T09:24:39 < zyp> when I bought the oven, there were no alternatives, just a guy swapping the entire controller board, or something
2015-10-27T09:24:41 < dongs> useless shit
2015-10-27T09:24:41 < ReadError> https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements
2015-10-27T09:24:50 < ReadError> flashes the LPC
2015-10-27T09:24:56 < ReadError> and lets you add more thermocouples
2015-10-27T09:24:57 < dongs> why is tehre .py shit?
2015-10-27T09:25:14 < ReadError> dongs logging
2015-10-27T09:26:57 < dongs> isnt there a lcd
2015-10-27T09:28:16 < ReadError> hmm actually it looks like you can control it via serial
2015-10-27T09:28:48 < kakimir> torquimg group would be unwose to stop now
2015-10-27T09:29:43 < kakimir> they need to create zano HD and roll same money twice
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2015-10-27T09:30:19 < dongs> zano is already HD
2015-10-27T09:30:25 < dongs> to do it again they'd need to make zano 4k
2015-10-27T09:35:07 < kakimir> they have good beta testing model
2015-10-27T09:35:13 < kakimir> moneys
2015-10-27T09:35:54 < kakimir> tears an hate of bitter zanoers
2015-10-27T09:36:17 < jpa-> maybe they could make a flying zano this time.. maybe even call it "flyzano" or something?
2015-10-27T09:36:34 < kakimir> now just make the actual model
2015-10-27T09:37:16 < jadew> jpa-, they need better 3d models for that
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2015-10-27T10:17:23 < zyp> hmm, I realized I'm bored and want to go fly some shit today
2015-10-27T10:17:36 < zyp> dongs, this F3 board I've got, is there a baseflight build for it?
2015-10-27T10:18:03 < zyp> tempted to dig up the board, put baseflight on it, put it on this old copter frame and go fly
2015-10-27T10:19:05 < ReadError> I can tell you where there is a current build for it ;)
2015-10-27T10:19:11 < ReadError> dongs wont be happy tho
2015-10-27T10:19:55 < zyp> haha, cleanflight?
2015-10-27T10:20:02 < ReadError> ya
2015-10-27T10:20:15 < zyp> are you sure it fits?
2015-10-27T10:20:33 < zyp> I mean, do you know which f3 board I've got? :p
2015-10-27T10:20:37 < ReadError> its passed unit testing my friend
2015-10-27T10:20:40 < ReadError> naze32 pro?
2015-10-27T10:21:28 < zyp> I mean, I think it was from a proto run
2015-10-27T10:21:41 < ReadError> if its a naze w/ f3 its prolly that
2015-10-27T10:22:53 < kakimir> dongs: could you install some cearflight or librepilot to zano and make it fly st least?
2015-10-27T10:23:40 < ReadError> zyp treym has some binaries up
2015-10-27T10:23:50 < ReadError> but they are probably 2 years old
2015-10-27T10:23:58 < zyp> hmm
2015-10-27T10:24:08 < zyp> first I need to figure out where the fuck I put it
2015-10-27T10:24:20 < ReadError> and the currrent configurator probably wont work ;/
2015-10-27T10:34:01 < kakimir> zyp you fly that boarsd or you have some frame for it?
2015-10-27T10:34:24 < zyp> huh?
2015-10-27T10:34:39 < zyp> fuck, I've got too many esd bags on my desk
2015-10-27T10:35:01 < zyp> I know that board is in one, and I'm pretty sure it's somewhere on my desk
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2015-10-27T11:06:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Q7MMs6o.jpg
2015-10-27T11:07:18 < dongs> http://docs.platformio.org/en/latest/index.html wat
2015-10-27T11:08:40 < dongs> oh lawd
2015-10-27T11:08:45 < dongs> they're using libopenAIDSCM3
2015-10-27T11:08:52 < dongs> and mbed
2015-10-27T11:08:53 < dongs> k
2015-10-27T11:11:00 < ReadError> looks like its just a bunch of toolchains packaged together
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2015-10-27T11:16:23 < dongs> lol a bunch of command line crap
2015-10-27T11:16:25 < dongs> fuckign aids
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2015-10-27T11:30:40 < karlp> BrainDamage: on that phone battery I was poking last night, it was 3.7V out of the phone, but I guess my concern was that when it was _in_ the phone, the black-red voltage was only 1.15V which felt very wrong.
2015-10-27T11:31:07 < scrts> sup lads?
2015-10-27T11:39:17 < karlp> why are they on amodule?
2015-10-27T11:39:26 < karlp> damnit, nevermnd, reading scrollback.
2015-10-27T11:40:15 < dongs> dongback
2015-10-27T11:40:20 < PeterM> karlp friend who works in phone and laptop component level repair says the rice thing doesnt do anything - best course of action is  dunk the entire thing in alcohol for a while to displace all the water and then stick infrom of something warm to evaporate the alcohol off
2015-10-27T11:41:53 < dongs> fucking germans
2015-10-27T11:41:58 < dongs> some guy emails me "my shit didnt arrive"
2015-10-27T11:42:04 < dongs> i check tracking, it was "delivered" 3 days ago
2015-10-27T11:42:15 < dongs> aparently, it got "delviered" into fucking customs
2015-10-27T11:42:20 < Sync> yep
2015-10-27T11:42:24 < effractur> alcohol sounds smart
2015-10-27T11:42:26 < dongs> and in 3 days they havent even bothered sending him a notice of hte shit etc
2015-10-27T11:42:37 < dongs> sneaky fucks
2015-10-27T11:42:56 < Sync> depending on where it got delivered, they have a backlog
2015-10-27T11:51:27 < dongs> assholes
2015-10-27T12:01:26 < karlp> oh good job microchip confirmed my forum registration, emailed my password back to me in plain text. no username though!
2015-10-27T12:01:46 < dongs> what are you doing signing up to microshat foroums
2015-10-27T12:01:52 < dongs> lookin for zano threads?
2015-10-27T12:02:00 < dongs> or how to write sin() in asm
2015-10-27T12:12:02 < karlp> PeterM: yeah, that was braindamages advice las tnight, will get to that tonihgt, but it's getting a bit slim by now I guess.
2015-10-27T12:12:48 < PeterM> indeed
2015-10-27T12:12:49 < karlp> still a bit curious about the connected battery voltage being so low
2015-10-27T12:13:10 < karlp> popped the cans off, nothing obviouisly damaged there either, or even residue I could see,
2015-10-27T12:13:13 < PeterM> that is quite concerning
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2015-10-27T12:13:47 < karlp> just nice tiny test points around the cpu, and a reminder that the flash is not going to be a nice leaded thing like on a router I could clip to and dump :)
2015-10-27T12:14:12 < PeterM> often its ever so slight corrosion under the tiny csbgas
2015-10-27T12:14:28 < karlp> might try some alcohol tonight, maybe buy a new battery online, see what happens
2015-10-27T12:14:54 < karlp> haven't broken a phone like this in fucking forever
2015-10-27T12:18:06 < PeterM> mine almost never die from water
2015-10-27T12:18:49 < PeterM> very often a lcd + digitizer or too much flexing of the pcb rips pads off
2015-10-27T12:19:36 < PeterM> speaking of, i broke the screen of my lg g2 on friday arvo
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2015-10-27T12:21:18 < karlp> gotta find a new phone now too. joy
2015-10-27T12:21:35 < dongs> karlp: what are you dumping
2015-10-27T12:21:39 < dongs> which phone?
2015-10-27T12:21:43 < dongs> i missed the drama
2015-10-27T12:23:08 < PeterM> im gonna get a lenovo z1 zuk, the hardware is like a flagship phone fro m2013 early 2014 but its got an xbox hueg battery
2015-10-27T12:23:59 < dongs> Non-removable Li-Po 4100 mAh battery
2015-10-27T12:24:01 < dongs> i duno man
2015-10-27T12:24:05 < dongs> and looks way too high spec
2015-10-27T12:24:09 < dongs> assdragon 801 etc
2015-10-27T12:24:14 < dongs> too much shit in phones these days
2015-10-27T12:26:05 < PeterM> itsa lenobo thjough so its like $300 usd
2015-10-27T12:26:12 < dongs> thats a lot
2015-10-27T12:26:41 < karlp> dongs: phone went in the washing machine, disassembled and left in a box of rice for a couple of days, doesn't power up.
2015-10-27T12:27:01 < karlp> disconnected, teh battery reads 3.7V on black/red, but when it's in circuit it's only 1.15V
2015-10-27T12:27:13 < karlp> no obvious damage or residue anywhere on the boards.
2015-10-27T12:27:17 < dongs> zano forums said somethin about water-sensitive diode
2015-10-27T12:27:23 < dongs> maybe you have hte same thing!!11
2015-10-27T12:27:30 < karlp> would have been nice to gdump the flash, but probably won't be able to
2015-10-27T12:27:37 < dongs> which phone is it?
2015-10-27T12:27:43 < dongs> if its emmc you could get socket
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2015-10-27T12:28:02 < PeterM> karlp there is surely a set of jtag tps around
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2015-10-27T12:28:13 < karlp> peterm, yeah, found some test poitns near the CPU
2015-10-27T12:28:21 < dongs> dixus5?
2015-10-27T12:28:47 < karlp> nah, htc one s
2015-10-27T12:29:07 < karlp> but jtag on a phone core, without even knowing if it's powering up ok? not real exciting.
2015-10-27T12:29:32 < PeterM> boundaryscan to find whats on what pins
2015-10-27T12:29:49 < dongs> and probably vccio of 1.8V
2015-10-27T12:31:31 < dongs> it is emmc
2015-10-27T12:31:38 < dongs> i've got a socket->usb adapter
2015-10-27T12:31:44 < dongs> that  takes a chip even without balls
2015-10-27T12:31:51 < dongs> so you can just blow it off the pcb and stick it into socket
2015-10-27T12:31:54 < dongs> -> victory
2015-10-27T12:33:51 < karlp> not sure the photos are that important, I've listend to too many people struggle with jtag on phones
2015-10-27T12:34:07 < karlp> would need to make a nail bed, figure out which is which too.
2015-10-27T12:34:26 < dongs> well, what im talking about just has you remove the flash chip.
2015-10-27T12:34:37 < dongs> i wouldnt bother with jtag on something thats probably dead/halfdead
2015-10-27T12:34:57 < dongs> you dont expect to actually keep using it right?
2015-10-27T12:35:33 < dongs> http://multi-com.eu/,details,id_pr,8830,key,jtag-for-htc-one-s-z520e-pj40100.html
2015-10-27T12:35:38 < dongs> silly eurofags
2015-10-27T12:38:24 < karlp> well, it would have been nice to keep using it, yes .)
2015-10-27T12:38:31 < karlp> hgeh, nice pcb adapter
2015-10-27T12:38:52 < dongs> watch that polefag haxor it
2015-10-27T12:38:55 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILICjmGBqA
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2015-10-27T12:40:28 < zyp> well, if you could keep using it, you wouldn't need to dump the flash to get out the contents
2015-10-27T12:41:00 < karlp> indeed :) which is why I'm a bit concerned on teh battery voltage.
2015-10-27T12:41:15 < dongs> if it doesnt evne work why are you concerned
2015-10-27T12:41:17 < karlp> nice links though dongs, thanks.
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2015-10-27T12:42:55 < karlp> I'm guess that RIFF tool he uses is some $$$ phoen hacker software
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2015-10-27T12:43:42 < dongs> R1FF Unl0ck h4x0r T00l
2015-10-27T12:44:17 < dongs> http://www.riffbox.org/
2015-10-27T12:44:20 < dongs> lolooks like this shit
2015-10-27T12:45:34 < dongs> 100bux + 80$ license
2015-10-27T12:45:50 < karlp> migth be an interesting project for down the road, but will probably buy a new phone before I jtag this one.  I don't have hot air to blow off the flash chip either
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2015-10-27T12:47:37 < zyp> eh, a hot air blower costs nothing
2015-10-27T12:48:04 < karlp> plus the socket for the flash, plus still need something to read that out anyway.
2015-10-27T12:48:10 < karlp> and hot air isn't "nothing"
2015-10-27T12:48:10 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-27T12:48:28 < zyp> how so?
2015-10-27T12:48:55 < karlp> what is the "nothing" threshold for you?
2015-10-27T12:49:03 < ReadError> 858d is like 50$
2015-10-27T12:49:04 < karlp> 100 NOK or something?
2015-10-27T12:49:32 < zyp> I think this shit I've got was <$20
2015-10-27T12:49:49 < karlp> honestly, I'd go jtag before I'd go hot air and a socket probably. I don't trust my rework on this level.
2015-10-27T12:51:37 < karlp> actually, I can mail it to some of these shops and just pay for the flashdump too :)
2015-10-27T12:51:45 < dongs> indeed
2015-10-27T12:52:41 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/FilthyAggressiveAmericancrayfish l o l
2015-10-27T12:53:55 < karlp> ouch
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2015-10-27T12:58:57 < stukdev> hi all :)
2015-10-27T12:59:20 < stukdev> one question about DFU manager, is there a command to disable the read protection level by dfu?
2015-10-27T13:00:30 < ReadError> whatchu cloning
2015-10-27T13:00:34 < jpa-> full chip erase?
2015-10-27T13:01:48 < stukdev> jpa-: not work dfu erase, this is stupid for me, in the doc is says Erese is not allowed in read protection enabled
2015-10-27T13:02:12 < ReadError> I just make a dfu full of zeros
2015-10-27T13:03:09 < stukdev> ReadError: but you can't write!
2015-10-27T13:03:28 < stukdev> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00264379.pdf page 11
2015-10-27T13:04:07 < stukdev> Erase and write is not allowed if read protection is enabled (lol!?)
2015-10-27T13:04:15 < jpa-> so, answer is: No
2015-10-27T13:04:22 < Laurenceb> http://www.hse.gov.uk/work-equipment-machinery/loler.htm
2015-10-27T13:04:26 < zyp> yeah, there's no DFU command to do a full erase
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2015-10-27T13:04:34 < zyp> and full erase is only way to disable protection
2015-10-27T13:05:08 < stukdev> zyp: lol...
2015-10-27T13:05:11 < ReadError> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25091878/zero.dfu
2015-10-27T13:05:16 < zyp> stukdev, lol why?
2015-10-27T13:05:21 < ReadError> theres one for 256kb, i had to use lunix to make it
2015-10-27T13:05:42 < stukdev> zyp: how can upgrade firmware with dfu if i can't disabled the protection?
2015-10-27T13:06:12 < zyp> oh, wait
2015-10-27T13:06:27 < zyp> did you read page 14 in the dcocument you linked to?
2015-10-27T13:07:03 < zyp> you do an unprotect through that command
2015-10-27T13:07:26 < stukdev> zyp: no wait you refer about DFU__DNLOAD?
2015-10-27T13:07:36 < stukdev> zyp: i'm using that for upload the firmware
2015-10-27T13:07:40 < zyp> Read Unprotect (wValue = 0 and first byte = 0x92)
2015-10-27T13:08:21 < zyp> also read section 5.4 on page 20
2015-10-27T13:08:54 < ReadError> stukdev dfu manager should have come w/ DFU Tester
2015-10-27T13:09:01 < stukdev> zyp: but a read unprotected, not a write
2015-10-27T13:09:03 < ReadError> which has some other features
2015-10-27T13:09:10 < zyp> stukdev, same fucking thing
2015-10-27T13:09:36 < stukdev> ReadError: i see, but i'm using my gui program, and the new version 3.0.5 can't disabled read protection, only the 3.0.3 can do that
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2015-10-27T13:12:34 < karlp> heh, bad day goes to "worse" lunch pizza got a  callback, "anchovies shortage in teh country, would you like something else on your pizza?"
2015-10-27T13:15:29 < Roklobsta> no anchovies anywhere?
2015-10-27T13:17:17 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/78824/1445606883/bttf.jpg
2015-10-27T13:17:20 < Roklobsta> Is Surströmming an acceptable substitute?
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2015-10-27T13:25:58 < karlp> Laurenceb: nice :)
2015-10-27T13:26:19 < karlp> Roklobsta: no idea, pizza shop just made the claim, kinda hard to prove one way or the other :)
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2015-10-27T13:45:28 < c945> ST datashit
2015-10-27T13:45:32 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=38577.0,3Battach=1074823,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.zvUuts7GRX.jpg
2015-10-27T13:45:39 < c945> from datashit: "Before starting a calibration the ADC must have been in power-off state (ADON bit = ‘0’)"
2015-10-27T13:45:57 < c945> i lost five hours to understand why this fcking callibration do not work
2015-10-27T13:46:59 < c945> i turn ADON on before starting callibration and adc now work
2015-10-27T13:47:18 < Laurenceb> I think their grammar is poor
2015-10-27T13:47:30 < Laurenceb> they probably mean you need to cycle the ADc first
2015-10-27T13:48:15 < Laurenceb> I just copy other peoples ADc config code cuz lazy
2015-10-27T13:48:40 < Laurenceb> then modify and test as you go
2015-10-27T13:51:23 < karlp> the calibration is a fucking knob you shouldn't have to twiddle by hand anyway.
2015-10-27T13:51:30 < karlp> instead of "turn this bit on"
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2015-10-27T13:59:18 < Tectu> Laurenceb, 404
2015-10-27T13:59:25 < Roklobsta> poke a plastic flathead screwdriver through a small hole and turn gently
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2015-10-27T14:03:37 < c945> yes, but i think this way improve hw understanding, than copy/paste code from the internet
2015-10-27T14:04:53 < ReadError> dongs http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__87784__NANO_N32_Plus_Flight_Control_Board.html
2015-10-27T14:04:53 < ReadError> they are selling clones now too?
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2015-10-27T14:30:16 < Sync> de fuck is that Laurenceb
2015-10-27T14:30:31 < Sync> trumpet with emdrive trolling on it?!
2015-10-27T14:30:34 < Laurenceb> EM drive
2015-10-27T14:30:37 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-10-27T14:30:45 < Sync> pfft
2015-10-27T14:30:54 < Laurenceb> thats the sound it makes
2015-10-27T14:32:50 < Sync> probably
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2015-10-27T15:33:50 < stukdev> ok, with Read Unprotecte Command i can disable the read protection byte, but if i want reset this bit? is there a Write Protect Command?
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2015-10-27T16:19:43 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P7DDSTXIQo
2015-10-27T16:19:44 < ReadError> haha
2015-10-27T16:20:20 < ReadError> its like they used a robot to dub over a white guy
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2015-10-27T16:24:52 < __rob> anyone know if there is a repository somehwere of svd files?
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2015-10-27T16:27:25 < Laurenceb> wtf ReadError
2015-10-27T16:27:29 < Laurenceb> is that guy a robot
2015-10-27T16:27:39 < ReadError> haha just listen to it
2015-10-27T16:27:42 < ReadError> its so off
2015-10-27T16:27:51 < ReadError> pretty cool machine tho
2015-10-27T16:28:49 < Laurenceb> http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/March/Comedy/nerd-virginity/nerd-virgins-shirtless-springs.jpg
2015-10-27T16:29:06 < Laurenceb> that the actual guys who made it
2015-10-27T16:30:09 < ReadError> 'surprsidly'
2015-10-27T16:30:20 < ReadError> theres even a 'wow'
2015-10-27T16:32:27 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/tg7jLAY.jpg
2015-10-27T16:35:36 < __rob> dunno why everyone hates this cubemx stuff so much, its really tidy
2015-10-27T16:35:43 < __rob> the pin planner is great
2015-10-27T16:36:04 < __rob> should have tried it out sooner
2015-10-27T16:36:11 < Rickta59> clive says it sucks so it must
2015-10-27T16:36:23 < __rob> clive?
2015-10-27T16:36:27 < __rob> the guy on the stm forums?
2015-10-27T16:36:33 < Rickta59> of course
2015-10-27T16:36:47 < __rob> ahh
2015-10-27T16:36:48 < Rickta59> you must be a windows kind of person
2015-10-27T16:36:59 < Rickta59> cause it doesn't work on linux properly
2015-10-27T16:37:04 < __rob> I'm a minimal effort -> maximum result person
2015-10-27T16:37:19 < __rob> so yea, windows for my desktop
2015-10-27T16:37:24 < Laurenceb> http://img15.nnm.me/e/a/d/3/2/3416e93b6df725a86f1ee64a4bd.gif
2015-10-27T16:37:40 < __rob> whether clive likes it or not.. there is no SPL for newer chips
2015-10-27T16:38:00 < __rob> you have to use this stuff
2015-10-27T16:38:09 < __rob> and to be fair, it looks much the same
2015-10-27T16:38:22 < Rickta59> or not use it
2015-10-27T16:38:24 < ReadError> Laurenceb could you paste that again
2015-10-27T16:38:31 < ReadError> but from a site thats even slower to load
2015-10-27T16:38:32 < ReadError> thnx
2015-10-27T16:38:46 < ReadError> http://gfycat.com/OrangeSpiritedAvians
2015-10-27T16:38:58 < __rob> Rickta59.. but then you spend all your time writing drivers and fixing things
2015-10-27T16:39:12 < Rickta59> you are going to do the same thing with the hal layer
2015-10-27T16:39:40 < ReadError> __rob or try chibios
2015-10-27T16:39:42 < ReadError> makes life easy
2015-10-27T16:39:44 < __rob> must be quite mature by now
2015-10-27T16:39:53 < Rickta59> you would think no?
2015-10-27T16:40:34 < Rickta59> have you looked at the st forum for that stuff?
2015-10-27T16:40:39 < __rob> not for a while
2015-10-27T16:40:40 < Rickta59> and all the bugs people complain about?
2015-10-27T16:41:15 < Rickta59> you find this a lot:
2015-10-27T16:41:18 < Rickta59> "I will report the issue to our development team.
2015-10-27T16:41:18 < Rickta59> Thank you for the information and sorry for the inconvenience that it may bring;
2015-10-27T16:41:20 < Rickta59> -Syrine-"
2015-10-27T16:46:04 < Laurenceb> russia  http://img12.nnm.me/d/c/d/8/c/fad19bab77ebb640c70c427976e.gif
2015-10-27T16:48:03 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/XNpvKiK.jpg
2015-10-27T16:48:17 < jadew> not very safe for work, btw
2015-10-27T16:48:36 < aandrew> wtf was that Laurenceb
2015-10-27T16:48:57 < jadew> aandrew, the reason he now takes the stairs
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2015-10-27T16:50:48 < aandrew> heh
2015-10-27T16:51:09 < mtbg> hi
2015-10-27T16:52:08 < Laurenceb> http://suckmongif.com/gifs/daydreaming.gif
2015-10-27T16:58:27 < jon1012> Laurenceb, perfect ! looks like my clients when I did web design !
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2015-10-27T17:03:51 < kakimir> I think I want to be that guy when I grow up
2015-10-27T17:04:09 < kakimir> boss guy
2015-10-27T17:04:57 < kakimir> had some 3d shiet to be done and it was very enjoyable to just tell someone how to do it
2015-10-27T17:07:17 < Tectu> hah
2015-10-27T17:07:31 < Tectu> and then rage two weeks because they are not motivated enough to get it done absolutely right
2015-10-27T17:07:42 < Tectu> and always just slap stuff together ´´but it works´´
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2015-10-27T17:12:51 < kakimir> I'm interested to see it in principle
2015-10-27T17:13:01 < kakimir> paid just for a warmup project
2015-10-27T17:13:16 < kakimir> maybe we have one or two such done
2015-10-27T17:13:25 < kakimir> if they are good
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2015-10-27T17:55:43 < kakimir> how to start sub process with streams to both directions in C ?
2015-10-27T17:55:56 < kakimir> with popen it just to another direction
2015-10-27T17:56:11 < kakimir> posix pipe stream standard something
2015-10-27T17:57:54 < kakimir> I want to enjoy gnuplot with my code
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2015-10-27T18:17:20 < Getty> this nucleo design is really clever
2015-10-27T18:17:37 < Getty> i never saw on those pictures that on the rear side you have pins
2015-10-27T18:17:43 < ReadError> ah ya
2015-10-27T18:17:50 < ReadError> use them to hook up scope ;)
2015-10-27T18:18:18 < Getty> i dont know what i use it for but i had to get 2 new programmer and as i think they are way too expansive i thought to buy a nucelo to use that also
2015-10-27T18:18:27 < Getty> and if that works out good only buy those
2015-10-27T18:19:01 < Getty> but how to get them out of the pcakage without breaking them?!
2015-10-27T18:19:36 < ReadError> push on plastic
2015-10-27T18:23:40 < karlp> Getty: are you just saying that it has sockets on the top and pins ont he bottom? that's pretty standard arduino style, nothing clever from nucleo there
2015-10-27T18:24:47 < Getty> well i dont thought they invented it, just that i never had those in hands, i dont had arduino
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2015-10-27T18:44:20 < Sync> huh
2015-10-27T18:44:57 < Sync> as soon as I set the OPM bit my timer stops and I have to interupt the program with the debugger and when I restart the timer runs as expected
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2015-10-27T19:37:42 < Tectu> SFW:  https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/7bf987b8-4164-4679-8275-9ecb2252a1e1-original.jpeg
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2015-10-27T20:07:33 < Steffanx> "old"
2015-10-27T20:08:49 < kakimir> Steffanx: tell me how to pipe child program in both directions?
2015-10-27T20:12:18 < Steffanx> use 2 pipes?
2015-10-27T20:12:50 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-27T20:12:53 < kakimir> how to initialize it?
2015-10-27T20:17:42 < Steffanx> i've never done something like that, but i would imagine http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29824384/child-shell-process-bidirectional-redirection-to-parent-process works? ;)
2015-10-27T20:18:45 < Steffanx> or http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25161377/open-a-cmd-program-with-full-functionality-i-o/25177958#25177958 or whatever you like
2015-10-27T20:19:25 < Steffanx> ( but i hope you already googled yourself? )
2015-10-27T20:20:32 < Laurenceb> irc users spotted
2015-10-27T20:20:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1o9ooo/virgins_that_are_40_years_old_or_older_what_is/
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2015-10-27T20:30:51 < kakimir> thanks for googling for me
2015-10-27T20:31:06 < kakimir> *laughter*
2015-10-27T20:31:55 < kakimir> but yes.. i didn't find these yet
2015-10-27T20:34:27 < gxti> Laurenceb tries to shitpost and fails... this thread is really interesting
2015-10-27T20:38:32 < Steffanx> Your welcome kakimir :P
2015-10-27T20:39:26 < Steffanx> i was curious myself, so i googled
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2015-10-27T22:13:34 < blah> hello STM32
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2015-10-27T22:14:20 < Tectu> no.
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2015-10-27T22:15:47 < kakimir> wht have you done Tectu
2015-10-27T22:16:01 < Tectu> I screwed up
2015-10-27T22:16:18 < Tectu> good that one has three backups
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2015-10-27T22:16:46 < Steffanx> what have you done today kakimir?
2015-10-27T22:18:10 < kakimir> some works outside then some kebab eating and then some computers time
2015-10-27T22:18:17 < kakimir> nothing
2015-10-27T22:18:56 < Steffanx> nothing is good
2015-10-27T22:18:58 < Tectu> where´s the sauna?
2015-10-27T22:19:14 < Tectu> or did kebab eating take place inside the sauna box thing?
2015-10-27T22:20:27 < kakimir> also sauna
2015-10-27T22:20:32 < kakimir> after work day
2015-10-27T22:20:37 < Tectu> nice
2015-10-27T22:20:53 < Tectu> is sauna a community thing you do with neighbours?
2015-10-27T22:21:26 < kakimir> nope
2015-10-27T22:21:28 < Tectu> btw, kakimir I thought a bit about your statement:
2015-10-27T22:21:29 < Tectu> <kakimir> when someones dick touches someone else or is about to then one dude throws full bucket of water to stove and it works like pepper spray
2015-10-27T22:21:45 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-27T22:21:57 < Tectu> I am no expert by all means but using anything that has the effect of pepper spray in such a situation could lead actually increase dickpartyness heavily, no?
2015-10-27T22:22:06 < Tectu> as in: nobody sees anthing but all want out
2015-10-27T22:22:19 < kakimir> no..
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2015-10-27T22:22:28 < kakimir> you are literally getting burns
2015-10-27T22:22:41 < Tectu> o.O
2015-10-27T22:22:58 < kakimir> to ears, shoulders
2015-10-27T22:23:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNXBxaU9CSml4U00/view?usp=sharing there is sauna
2015-10-27T22:23:57 < kakimir> I always think that thing looks like some outdoor toilets
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2015-10-27T22:24:49 < kakimir> thinking of taking a crap
2015-10-27T22:25:07 < Tectu> that woul definitely leave some impressive smell
2015-10-27T22:25:26 < kakimir> children tend to pee there
2015-10-27T22:25:31 < Tectu> WHAT?
2015-10-27T22:26:28 < kakimir> okay.. not daily but sometimes little boys do some target practice
2015-10-27T22:26:42 < kakimir> only once though
2015-10-27T22:28:14 < kakimir> then get punished
2015-10-27T22:30:16 < kakimir> when daddy needs to replace all the rocks and mommy needs to wash whole sauna
2015-10-27T22:34:45 < Steffanx> kakimir knows from experience? :P
2015-10-27T22:35:22 < zyp> haha
2015-10-27T22:35:44 < kakimir> it was somebody else
2015-10-27T22:37:00 < kakimir> when sauna + boozing we pour beer to water bucket
2015-10-27T22:37:30 < kakimir> bread baking smell
2015-10-27T22:38:09 < kakimir> also tar - methol - bacon etc.
2015-10-27T22:41:41 < kakimir> when vodka is added to bucket it can actually get you temperary more drunk just by breathing
2015-10-27T22:42:29 < BrainDamage> alcohol and sauna sounds like a darwin award waiting to happen
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2015-10-27T22:58:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6FN97L36s neather of them wanted to come out
2015-10-27T22:58:39 < Tectu> kakimir, so little kids do sauna too?
2015-10-27T23:00:15 < kakimir> they used forbidden greases etc. to survive sauna battle
2015-10-27T23:00:38 < kakimir> Tectu: lower steps for little kids
2015-10-27T23:01:15 < Tectu> sauna battle...
2015-10-27T23:01:19 < Tectu> sounds like dick party all over again
2015-10-27T23:02:06 < Tectu> wait wut
2015-10-27T23:02:21 < kakimir> there is video of final if you like graphic content
2015-10-27T23:03:14 < Sync> the fuck, how did they not stop it
2015-10-27T23:03:43 < kakimir> they did
2015-10-27T23:05:03 < Sync> yeah but far too late
2015-10-27T23:05:22 < kakimir> like 10secs to much and damage was done
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2015-10-27T23:19:31 < kakimir> sauna battle is very common thing to have.. if you need to see who is the tough guy. everybody almost always have enough brain to leave sauna long before burning alive
2015-10-27T23:20:33 < kakimir> normal person can't go anywhere near what they did in that competition
2015-10-27T23:23:03 < kakimir> that temperature you have instant burning urge to leave from time=0
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2015-10-27T23:40:00 < Tectu> let me watch that video....
2015-10-27T23:40:35 < Tectu> 230 C  ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
2015-10-27T23:40:43 < Tectu> are you kidding????
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2015-10-27T23:41:37 < Tectu> how is that even possible?
2015-10-27T23:42:31 < Tectu> ah, that was fahrenheit
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2015-10-27T23:47:15 < Rob235> hey
2015-10-27T23:47:24 < Rob235> is there a difference between volatile and __IO?
2015-10-27T23:55:07 < zyp> volatile is a standard keyword and __IO is some silly pointless nonstandard define
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2015-10-27T23:57:51 < zyp> usually it's just #define __IO volatile, so it doesn't add anything
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2015-10-28T00:06:34 < kakimir> :o
2015-10-28T00:06:37 < kakimir> oh
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2015-10-28T01:11:29 < mitrax> i have an external SDRAM, only 32 bits aligned read/write result in correct data... i thought i fucked up one or more of the lower address bus bits (A0/A1/A2/A3) but they seem to be properly wired, what else could be wrong?
2015-10-28T01:14:53 < zyp> how wide is the chip?
2015-10-28T01:15:24 < zyp> check that you got the byte lane enables right
2015-10-28T01:15:47 < zyp> hmm, does sdram even have byte lane enables?
2015-10-28T01:16:40 < mitrax> 1 MBits x 16 bits x 4 banks
2015-10-28T01:16:52 < mitrax> actually it's the same as on the STM32F429discovery board
2015-10-28T01:17:12 < mitrax> what's the usual name for the byte lane pin?
2015-10-28T01:17:38 < zyp> unsure
2015-10-28T01:21:15 < Taxman> DQM[0..3]
2015-10-28T01:23:01 < mitrax> Taxman: i have LDQM / UDQM would that be it?
2015-10-28T01:23:07 < zyp> yes
2015-10-28T01:23:17 < Taxman> then you have a 16 bit data bus width
2015-10-28T01:23:21 < zyp> low and high byte, respectively
2015-10-28T01:23:31 < zyp> Taxman, well, that's what he said
2015-10-28T01:24:16 < Taxman> then 16 bits aligned 16 bit (uint16_t) accesses should work, too
2015-10-28T01:24:59 < Taxman> LDQM / UDQM is what you mean
2015-10-28T01:25:49 < mitrax> ah indeed
2015-10-28T01:26:07 < Taxman> maybe not configured properly in AF pin mapping?
2015-10-28T01:26:11 < mitrax> it's only odd addresses that causes problem
2015-10-28T01:27:31 < mitrax> FUCK
2015-10-28T01:27:39 < mitrax> LDQM / UDQM are inverted
2015-10-28T01:27:43 < mitrax> fuck me
2015-10-28T01:27:50 < Taxman> in your layout?
2015-10-28T01:28:01 < mitrax> yeah :(
2015-10-28T01:28:13 < Taxman> ldqm -> udqm and vice versa?
2015-10-28T01:28:19 < mitrax> yeah
2015-10-28T01:28:26 < Taxman> funny mistake
2015-10-28T01:28:44 < Taxman> just do only 16 bit accesses then your design will work ;)
2015-10-28T01:29:13 < zyp> I thought sdram was usually read and written in bursts anyway
2015-10-28T01:30:39 < Taxman> a real pc-cpu cache controller only accesses it in long bursts
2015-10-28T01:31:31 < Taxman> but microcontroller do access in single accesses, too.
2015-10-28T01:32:01 < Taxman> the F4 can only do single access and 2-burst accesses, afair
2015-10-28T01:32:25 < zyp> I thought it had a four-word long buffer for bursts
2015-10-28T01:32:41  * mitrax bangs his head on the wall
2015-10-28T01:33:09 < Taxman> mitrax: You have a non-bga sdram chip?
2015-10-28T01:33:17 < mitrax> yeah
2015-10-28T01:33:33 < zyp> no, wait, I'm thinking of the sdram controller in lpc43xx
2015-10-28T01:34:12 < Taxman> when it is a prototype: Why not lifting this two pins and so some wire soldering?
2015-10-28T01:34:27 < mitrax> yeah i'll do that :) it's just annoying
2015-10-28T01:36:01 < Taxman> will go sleep now, good night
2015-10-28T01:36:09 < mitrax> good night and thanks a lot :)
2015-10-28T01:37:16 < zyp> hmm, what happens if you configure it as an 8-bit wide memory?
2015-10-28T01:37:55 < zyp> I guess it always asserts the wrong line in that case, so that nothing gets written at all
2015-10-28T01:38:31 < mitrax> i could configure it as 8 bit wide you think ?
2015-10-28T01:38:39 < zyp> but you could disable the AF, just set the pin as a normal gpio always asserted
2015-10-28T01:39:11 < zyp> well, if you configure it as 8-bit wide, you'll only get half the capacity and half the data rate, but it'd work :p
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2015-10-28T02:27:08 < Rob235> hey
2015-10-28T02:27:16 < Rob235> how do I decide what gpio_speed to use?
2015-10-28T02:28:17 < zyp> throw a dice
2015-10-28T02:38:37 < Rob235> should i just use 50 mhz all the time? :/
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2015-10-28T02:39:48 < zyp> I tend to not change the default unless I have a reason to
2015-10-28T02:42:02 < Laurenceb_> I use the minimum the works properly
2015-10-28T02:42:16 < Laurenceb_> the slew rate hardware seems to be very well designed
2015-10-28T02:42:35 < zyp> hmm, default is 2mhz
2015-10-28T02:42:41 < Laurenceb_> it gives nicely shaped edges and matches well to the value you set
2015-10-28T02:42:47 < zyp> I'm probably violating that a lot :D
2015-10-28T02:43:07 < Laurenceb_> if you want CE compliant stuff going slow as poss helps a lot
2015-10-28T02:43:36 < Rob235> you can reuse gpio typedef structures right? after you call init you don't need the structure anymore, correct?
2015-10-28T02:44:07 < zyp> sure
2015-10-28T02:44:44 < Rob235> oh and what happens if you set the gpio_speed too low? no data at all? corrupt data?
2015-10-28T02:45:40 < zyp> judging by my experience, most stuff is fine even with it left at 2MHz
2015-10-28T02:46:22 < Rob235> ok i'll stop worrying so much about it then :)
2015-10-28T02:46:32 < Laurenceb_> thats my approach
2015-10-28T02:46:47 < zyp> yeah, change it if it becomes a problem
2015-10-28T02:47:00 < Laurenceb_> there is info in the datasheet on max achievable speed / bandwidth versus slew setting
2015-10-28T02:47:17 < Laurenceb_> so 2mhz gives you <1mhz signals
2015-10-28T02:47:44 < zyp> if it's a problem, it'll be that drive strength is too low, which fucks up your rise/fall times
2015-10-28T02:48:04 < zyp> until you reach a point where it doesn't have time to rise enough before it has to fall again
2015-10-28T02:48:12 < zyp> which is when comms break down
2015-10-28T02:48:22 < Rob235> ahh got it
2015-10-28T02:51:12 < Rob235> other thing I'm confused on is pull up or pull down.  I understand I don't want floating so its one of those two.  I just dont know what it actually does.  Pull up would keep it at 5V when closed and pull down keeps it at 0V/GND when closed? or open? which is which? my head hurts
2015-10-28T02:52:03 < __rob> up -> vcc, down -> gnd
2015-10-28T02:52:25 < Rob235> wouldn't you always want it down/gnd?
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2015-10-28T02:52:50 < __rob> you only need that if your not driving the pin
2015-10-28T02:53:08 < __rob> so for input, or if its open-drain
2015-10-28T02:53:43 < Rob235> I'm setting up usart so there is an input
2015-10-28T02:54:14 < __rob> well you pick what you want the default level to be, when its not driven
2015-10-28T02:55:43 < __rob> so if you disconnect the other end, it wont float. You dont need a pullup/down atall if its always being driven by something
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2015-10-28T03:58:18 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/img/preview/Open103R-Standard_l.jpg thats pretty cute even with a PS2 connector
2015-10-28T03:58:47 < englishman> waveshare has all these wacky proto boards
2015-10-28T03:58:55 < dongs> its also like $24
2015-10-28T03:59:13 < dongs> much deal
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2015-10-28T04:06:36 < Rob235> is there a way to see serial output like with the arduino serial monitor?
2015-10-28T04:06:43 < Rob235> or input rather
2015-10-28T04:06:49 < dongs> ...
2015-10-28T04:06:57 < dongs> are you in the right channel
2015-10-28T04:06:59 < Rob235> from say a gps module on one of the usarts
2015-10-28T04:07:16 < Rob235> ?
2015-10-28T04:07:29 < dongs> arduino serial monitor?
2015-10-28T04:07:39 < Rob235> 'like with the'
2015-10-28T04:07:44 < Rob235> its an stm32f4 discovery board
2015-10-28T04:07:49 < Rob235> forgot to mention that
2015-10-28T04:08:08 < dongs> still dont understand eaxctly waht youre trying to ask
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2015-10-28T04:08:24 < Rob235> can I view the serial data on my computer thats being passed to the arduino
2015-10-28T04:09:01 < Rob235> from the gps module
2015-10-28T04:09:19 < dongs> you can hookup a usb>serial thing to the serial line and watch it i guess?
2015-10-28T04:09:29 < zyp> or a logic analyzer
2015-10-28T04:10:12 < dongs> or if you're already processing it inside F4 you can re-send it to some other channel that you have setup
2015-10-28T04:10:16 < Rob235> thats the only way to debug to make sure everything is set up correctly and serial data is correct?
2015-10-28T04:10:26 < Rob235> oh true
2015-10-28T04:10:29 < Rob235> that makes sense :)
2015-10-28T04:10:44 < Rob235> guess i'll need a serial/usb converter
2015-10-28T04:16:59 < dongs> you could just make one out of your -discovery.
2015-10-28T04:17:13 < dongs> write soem virtual com port sample thing.
2015-10-28T04:19:26 < Rob235> this would work also right?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6Pin-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART-Module-Serial-Converter-CP2102-STC-Replace-Ft232-Module-/400565980256?hash=item5d4397cc60:g:XY0AAOSwrklU2vc5
2015-10-28T04:19:35 < dongs> yes.
2015-10-28T04:19:39 < Rob235> ok thanks
2015-10-28T04:23:52 < jubatus> CP2102 is good ? no driver issues ?
2015-10-28T04:24:09 < dongs> very good
2015-10-28T04:24:23 < dongs> better than that other trash uhhh
2015-10-28T04:24:38 < jubatus> FT232 ?
2015-10-28T04:24:45 < dongs> no
2015-10-28T04:24:50 < dongs> that is just overpriced shit
2015-10-28T04:24:59 < dongs> theres' CH239 or wahtever stuff, and PL2303
2015-10-28T04:25:00 < dongs> yea that
2015-10-28T04:25:05 < dongs> PL = garbage
2015-10-28T04:30:44 < jubatus> Rob235: this one has a jumper to select 3.3V or 5V I/O : http://www.dx.com/p/waveshare-cp2102-type-a-usb-to-uart-board-txd-led-rxd-led-power-led-sb-to-rs232-development-board-295547
2015-10-28T04:30:56 < dongs> i have those in stock
2015-10-28T04:31:23 < dongs> the 3.3/5V thing is kinda not waht you think it is
2015-10-28T04:32:39 < Rob235> what is it then?
2015-10-28T04:32:48 < Rob235> thanks btw jubatus
2015-10-28T04:32:56 < dongs> there';s like 50mA 3.3V regulator inside cp2103
2015-10-28T04:33:07 < dongs> the jumper just conencts usb 5V or that 3.3V to a pin
2015-10-28T04:33:14 < dongs> cp2102 is always 3.3V i/o levels
2015-10-28T04:33:29 < jubatus> FT232 allows you to select
2015-10-28T04:33:41 < dongs> aware.
2015-10-28T04:33:47 < jubatus> but I guess you don't need 5V I/O unless you are using Arduino.
2015-10-28T04:39:30 < Rob235> so you are saying thats the voltage input selector and output is always 3.3v?
2015-10-28T04:41:09 < Rob235> ohhh it has separate pins for 3.3v and 5v
2015-10-28T04:41:31 < Rob235> so you connect one or the other and set the jumper based on which you chose?
2015-10-28T04:42:11 < Rob235> and if you connect 5v then it drops it down to 3.3v
2015-10-28T04:42:53 < dongs> i wouldnt use 3.3V output on THAT board for anything
2015-10-28T04:43:01 < dongs> its very low current built in LDO inside CP2102
2015-10-28T04:43:18 < dongs> i dont understand why its there or why  there's a jumper beacuse the acutal I/O levels dont change.
2015-10-28T05:02:51 < dongs> 4) The Zano delivered can't fly
2015-10-28T05:02:51 < dongs> I don't know why a company will be that stupid to ship a product that don't work. My cousin's Zano was broken in 1 mins. It never fly again after first try. You know even a usd20 china copter can fly better.
2015-10-28T05:02:55 < dongs> lolz
2015-10-28T05:03:32 < dongs> There is too many points make me feel this is SCAM. How can I trust TQ? TQ, if you see my message, show us something to make me feel this is not SCAM. Don't challenge my patience. Even it's delay, I can accept because this is KS project. But I don't accept mislead and hiding.
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2015-10-28T06:30:45 < upgrdman> tempted to buy a kilawatt so i can monitor power draw. anything i should know? does it totally suck? better china clone available? etc.
2015-10-28T06:34:09 < upgrdman> how do you ware one out?
2015-10-28T06:34:13 < upgrdman> like the ac socket?
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2015-10-28T06:34:28 < upgrdman> ah
2015-10-28T06:38:02 < upgrdman> so it measure pow fac?
2015-10-28T06:38:07 < upgrdman> err *does it
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2015-10-28T06:42:14 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: the aldi cheapie i have seems fine for measuring watts etc
2015-10-28T06:42:15 < upgrdman> kinda old new by now, but this stupid girl... lol:
2015-10-28T06:42:18 < upgrdman> dongs, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/us/officers-classroom-fight-with-student-is-caught-on-video.html
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2015-10-28T06:43:48 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, what's the generic term? power meter?
2015-10-28T06:44:38 < dongs> 'murica
2015-10-28T07:10:40 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: yeah
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2015-10-28T07:13:32 < dongs> upgrdman: i have china clones from eco-power
2015-10-28T07:13:36 < dongs> they were liek $10
2015-10-28T07:13:37 < dongs> works gr8
2015-10-28T07:14:10 < dongs> er
2015-10-28T07:14:11 < dongs> eco-worthy
2015-10-28T07:14:18 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: Bauhn Power Meter  AU$14.99
2015-10-28T07:14:47 < dongs> http://www.eco-worthy.com/catalog/worthy-style-energy-power-electricity-meter-p-489.html
2015-10-28T07:15:02 < dongs> wow 15 aud is cheap
2015-10-28T07:21:21 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-10-28T07:23:30 < dongs> anyway, tehre's chinaclones all over of that place.
2015-10-28T07:23:32 < dongs> of that thing.
2015-10-28T07:23:41 < dongs> i think even original killawalt is only like 20-30$
2015-10-28T07:23:50 < upgrdman> seems like kilawatt is only $18 on amazon
2015-10-28T07:23:54 < upgrdman> ya
2015-10-28T07:24:00 < dongs> yea
2015-10-28T07:24:06 < dongs> i got one of those also.
2015-10-28T07:24:12 < dongs> go 4 it
2015-10-28T07:24:16 < upgrdman> k
2015-10-28T07:24:17 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU
2015-10-28T07:24:54 < upgrdman> ya. looks like the newer model has battery back up, but gayer menus. i think i'll get that p4400
2015-10-28T07:25:34 < dongs> chinaclone has batteries too
2015-10-28T07:25:36 < dongs> my chinaclone doesnt
2015-10-28T07:25:45 < dongs> must be some new stock
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2015-10-28T08:27:27 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: try your luck with http://bauhnenergysaving.com.au/ but it seems borked at the moment.
2015-10-28T08:28:40 < dongs> lol, banned
2015-10-28T08:30:15 < Roklobsta> its probably dead, i got the widget a few years ago
2015-10-28T08:30:30 < dongs> they dont ship to usa anyway.
2015-10-28T08:30:37 < dongs> and if they do its not worth it
2015-10-28T08:30:42 < Roklobsta> nah
2015-10-28T08:30:45 < dongs> vs getting free shipping via amazon jewprime
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2015-10-28T08:31:35 < Roklobsta> Does amazon tell you how many of their temp. workers died getting the product to you?
2015-10-28T08:32:39 < Roklobsta> anyhoo, it tells me Hz, V, I, kWh, kW etc and you can program a tariff in if you want which is useless for me on a TOD tariff.
2015-10-28T08:33:01 < Roklobsta> oh and power factor too
2015-10-28T08:33:39 < Roklobsta> i have been measuring my media PC for the last week, to see if it's worth spending money upgrading the mobo
2015-10-28T08:34:01 < dongs> what are you getting from it
2015-10-28T08:35:12 < Roklobsta> ~70-85W with an AthlonX2-2700, GT210 video card and 5 HDD, 4 in RAID5 and 4 DVB-T tuners.  It's 7 years old and refuses to die.
2015-10-28T08:35:19 < Roklobsta> and works very well.
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2015-10-28T08:36:00 < Roklobsta> i don't think upgrading to some intel powermiser cpu will save me much money
2015-10-28T08:36:40 < dongs> heh my desktop with 2 4K dells is 250W while ircing. my capture shit with 4 tuners is like ~20W. some atom shit
2015-10-28T08:36:49 < Roklobsta> i worked out it costs about $180 a year to run.
2015-10-28T08:36:59 < Roklobsta> which is cheap entertainment when you think about it.
2015-10-28T08:38:23 < Roklobsta> i estimate a new intel cpu+mobo might get me down to 60W but the expense and grief isn't worth it.  So it stays until something dies.
2015-10-28T08:38:46 < Roklobsta> most of the time the CPU is comatose anyway.
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2015-10-28T08:39:25 < dongs> new HDDs are really much better at idle
2015-10-28T08:39:32 < Roklobsta> 4 WD greens.
2015-10-28T08:39:43 < Roklobsta> with the stupid idle timer turned off
2015-10-28T08:39:45 < dongs> my xeon esxi box with 6*5TB drives is only using 160W or something
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2015-10-28T08:40:13 < dongs> or wait, thats entire rack
2015-10-28T08:40:17 < dongs> which includes network stuff etc
2015-10-28T08:40:23 < dongs> so box itself is probly less
2015-10-28T08:40:30 < dongs> yeah that
2015-10-28T08:40:58 < Roklobsta> i guess SSD will use even less.
2015-10-28T08:41:07 < dongs> you'd think but some dont
2015-10-28T08:41:30 < Roklobsta> which ones are arse?
2015-10-28T08:41:38 < dongs> 180GB intel SSD uses more than 500GB WD blue 2.5"
2015-10-28T08:41:41 < dongs> just comapring
2015-10-28T08:42:41 < Roklobsta> you'd think an ssd would be paralytic most of the time. it must be all the behind-the-scenes flash maintenance.
2015-10-28T08:43:30 < dongs> My cousin received the Zano 2 weeks ago. It's only a paper weight with Zano outlook. It won't fly and its out of control. It already broken within 5mins.
2015-10-28T08:43:48 < Roklobsta> SHIPIT!
2015-10-28T08:44:56 < Roklobsta> Zano have used every excuse from the book "The Dog Ate My Homework".
2015-10-28T08:45:57 < Roklobsta> Stolen laptop, crashed/hacked forum etc etc.  Classic tales of woe from shonky outfits.
2015-10-28T08:46:03 < dongs> haha
2015-10-28T08:46:11 < dongs> stolen laptop never got addressed too
2015-10-28T08:46:35 < dongs> you'd think if a company laptop with topsecret zano warez got stolen it'd be one hell of a stink
2015-10-28T08:48:00 < Roklobsta> Have a read of http://www.ka9q.net/ 's Pseudoscience to see these trite excuses trotted out by 'revolutionary' technology schiesters.
2015-10-28T08:49:44 < Roklobsta> Scroll down to the "Warning Signs" for a compendium of crapola to look for.  http://www.ka9q.net/crackpots/index.html
2015-10-28T08:50:49 < dongs> zano class action
2015-10-28T08:51:28 < Roklobsta> An Australian ex-rugby player in marketing got my alarms going off.
2015-10-28T08:52:18 < dongs> he talks like a complete tool
2015-10-28T08:52:20 < dongs> in all the vidoes
2015-10-28T08:52:20 < Roklobsta> sport dude runs out of money with no prospects, beleives any old shit his nerdy mate tells him.
2015-10-28T08:52:24 < dongs> talking about all the amazing shit zano can odo
2015-10-28T08:52:31 < dongs> oh yeaaa sensorssssssss
2015-10-28T08:52:36 < dongs> so high very precise
2015-10-28T08:52:40 < dongs> much position hold
2015-10-28T08:54:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmjmzYDZPcI
2015-10-28T08:54:40 < Roklobsta> well, class action, years in the making and only the lawyer wins while the zano guys blow the proceeds.
2015-10-28T08:54:56 < Roklobsta> 3c in the dollar.
2015-10-28T08:55:08 < dongs> records in 1080p 60fps locally
2015-10-28T08:55:09 < dongs> on microsd
2015-10-28T08:55:10 < dongs> haha
2015-10-28T08:55:13 < Roklobsta> nono not wires... unity gain amplifiers.
2015-10-28T08:55:18 < dongs> that guy
2015-10-28T08:56:46 < Roklobsta> it's ok from here as we have technical knowledge, 90% of people don't and just expect most of this wizardry to be true and work and have no faculties to discern the crap from the real thing.
2015-10-28T08:58:05 < Roklobsta> on the face of it there was no reason not to beleive zano.
2015-10-28T08:58:31 < Roklobsta> exactly
2015-10-28T08:59:11 < Roklobsta> water injectors/magneticpolarisers/fueladditives for petrol engines to improve efficiency.
2015-10-28T08:59:45 < Roklobsta> well i'm off to have more beer and try cook periperi chicken.
2015-10-28T09:09:30 < dongs> Has anyone who actually has received a Zano done a teardown and confirmed that the hardware promised and stated to be included is actually installed?
2015-10-28T09:09:33 < dongs> there's stuff like this
2015-10-28T09:09:48 < dongs> and answer to his shit is like....
2015-10-28T09:09:58 < dongs> yes its all tehre but that doest mean it willever acutally do anything advertised lo
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2015-10-28T09:45:27 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/dbqdrLT.png lol
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2015-10-28T09:48:47 < Roklobsta> I really do need kaptop underpants with a Tom Baker Dr Who stencil on the front.
2015-10-28T09:48:51 < Roklobsta> kapton
2015-10-28T09:49:08 < ReadError> i think i spelled it wrong, polyimide vs polyamide
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2015-10-28T09:50:56 < Roklobsta> Dr Who underpants.  That's right.  http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9quy98Dcx1qzeqioo1_400.jpg
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2015-10-28T10:01:08 < ReadError> dongs went bigdog status http://i.imgur.com/EYWNSie.jpg
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2015-10-28T11:02:56 < dongs> wtf is osx elcapitan
2015-10-28T11:03:00 < dongs> i just turned on my fagmini
2015-10-28T11:03:03 < dongs> and it wants me to install taht
2015-10-28T11:03:03 < dongs> is that new
2015-10-28T11:03:19 < ReadError> yes
2015-10-28T11:03:21 < ReadError> 10.11
2015-10-28T11:03:24 < dongs> Running lots of apps at the same time is one of the great things about using a Mac. Focusing on just one app in full-screen view is another. With Split View, you get the best of both. It automatically fills your screen with the two apps you choose.
2015-10-28T11:03:28 < dongs> w o w
2015-10-28T11:03:34 < dongs> they totally stole this from Windows 8/metro
2015-10-28T11:04:55 < dongs> Want to stop the music without hunting for the tab it.s coming from? Now you can mute it right from the Smart Search field.
2015-10-28T11:04:58 < dongs> haha
2015-10-28T11:04:58 < dongs> stolen from chrome
2015-10-28T11:04:59 < dongs> wow
2015-10-28T11:05:04 < dongs> apple is full of innovations
2015-10-28T11:07:22 < dongs> Designed from the ground up for use on all Apple devices, San Francisco has been fine-tuned for optimal readability on a Mac, and looks particularly crisp and refined on a Retina display. The new San Francisco system font optimizes legibility with size-specific letter shapes and dynamic character spacing. You.ll feel its subtle effect in the things you do every day.
2015-10-28T11:07:27 < dongs> the new GAY font
2015-10-28T11:07:44 < dongs> o nice
2015-10-28T11:07:46 < dongs> some new jap fonts
2015-10-28T11:07:50 < dongs> those look cool
2015-10-28T11:07:52 < Roklobsta> hai
2015-10-28T11:09:00 < ReadError> dongs you where looking at a new PNP, did you see the amazing neoden 4 video i posted yesterday?
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2015-10-28T11:09:11 < dongs> i dont usually click on your links
2015-10-28T11:09:13 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P7DDSTXIQo
2015-10-28T11:09:14 < dongs> cuz they're just gay c loner shit
2015-10-28T11:09:17 < ReadError> do it
2015-10-28T11:09:21 < ReadError> nah this vid is hilarious
2015-10-28T11:09:30 < ReadError> hilariouslybad but cool
2015-10-28T11:10:55 < dongs> SOT-23 wow
2015-10-28T11:10:58 < dongs> much precision
2015-10-28T11:11:41 < ReadError> ya i didnt get that either
2015-10-28T11:13:48 < dongs> 47 feeders isnice
2015-10-28T11:14:06 < dongs> but is less < $5k
2015-10-28T11:14:59 < ReadError> w/ the conveyor its 7.5k, w/o its 6.5k
2015-10-28T11:15:03 < ReadError> feeders are 69
2015-10-28T11:15:07 < dongs> how doyou figure
2015-10-28T11:15:26 < ReadError> cuz I found this while browsing the openpnp group
2015-10-28T11:15:30 < dongs> whats CPH
2015-10-28T11:15:32 < dongs> oic
2015-10-28T11:15:42 < dongs> openpnp can fuck right off
2015-10-28T11:15:47 < dongs> they use lunix
2015-10-28T11:15:48 < ReadError> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/openpnp/Q7zZv-R3qjU/RAmIQRlqBwAJ
2015-10-28T11:15:52 < ReadError> lol no
2015-10-28T11:15:56 < dongs> lolyes
2015-10-28T11:16:00 < ReadError> its mostly windows
2015-10-28T11:16:11 < ReadError> or atleast thats what the main dev uses
2015-10-28T11:17:01 < dongs> god damn there's a shitload of BOREY stuff on alidongpress
2015-10-28T11:17:05 < dongs> never even heard of htrem
2015-10-28T11:17:08 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Desktop-SMT-Pick-and-Place-Machine/1874253_503484802.html
2015-10-28T11:17:19 < ReadError> 3 months ago, we formed a team to advance the design of the FirePick Delta and we got accepted into the Hax hardware accelerator program in Shenzhen China.
2015-10-28T11:17:31 < ReadError> hes in shenzhen now doing the HAX
2015-10-28T11:17:35 < dongs> lol, so they got free money to go jerkoff in china
2015-10-28T11:17:40 < dongs> yeah but that doesnt mean anything useful will come out of it
2015-10-28T11:17:51 < dongs> opensores + pnp just doesnt compute
2015-10-28T11:18:03 < dongs> proper dicknplace software is extremely boring to write
2015-10-28T11:18:16 < dongs> no instant gratification of opensores, just boring work
2015-10-28T11:18:42 < ReadError> does there even exist a decent machine under 5k ?
2015-10-28T11:18:55 < dongs> decenT? no
2015-10-28T11:19:04 < dongs> i dont think anything under 5k will have vision
2015-10-28T11:19:08 < dongs> so its non-starter
2015-10-28T11:19:34 < dongs> borey shit seems to have vision stuff aroudn 4k
2015-10-28T11:19:35 < dongs> starts
2015-10-28T11:19:44 < ReadError> yea but look at shipping
2015-10-28T11:19:47 < ReadError> damn near 4k
2015-10-28T11:20:13 < dongs> er lol, well who teh fuck actually buys it from ripoffexpress directly
2015-10-28T11:20:19 < dongs> i can have chinagirl boat the stuff
2015-10-28T11:21:24 < ReadError> nah im saying its like ebay items
2015-10-28T11:21:33 < ReadError> they do a low price but then make up for it in shipping
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2015-10-28T11:21:52 < dongs> wow, neoden is 10k cph
2015-10-28T11:22:21 < dongs> that borey stuff is 6k or so
2015-10-28T11:22:41 < dongs> nobody shows screenshots of softrware
2015-10-28T11:22:56 < ReadError> its unreleased, comes out soon
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2015-10-28T11:23:11 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/tg7jLAY.jpg need i say more
2015-10-28T11:23:28 < dongs>  that guy looks like one of those "white guys for hire" things
2015-10-28T11:23:37 < dongs> where tehy pay $50 to a random white guy in china to appear in something
2015-10-28T11:23:42 < dongs> like a biz meeting
2015-10-28T11:23:43 < dongs> or etc
2015-10-28T11:23:55 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/china.rent.white.people/
2015-10-28T11:25:47 < dongs> why does jason von nieda sounds familiar
2015-10-28T11:27:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnYojW50tQI lol fucking AIDS
2015-10-28T11:27:22 < dongs> this is eopnsores
2015-10-28T11:27:32 < ReadError> ya i saw a documentary about how you can get paid for just being white and showing up places
2015-10-28T11:27:45 < ReadError> pretending to be a doctor etc
2015-10-28T11:29:30 < dongs> oh neoden makes those TMxx shits?
2015-10-28T11:29:50 < ReadError> yea
2015-10-28T11:30:00 < ReadError> neoden 4 seems to be a different caliber of machine
2015-10-28T11:30:16 < dongs> but thier site is full of shitty gabrage
2015-10-28T11:30:16 < dongs> right
2015-10-28T11:30:28 < dongs> they evne have those self-exploding ovens
2015-10-28T11:30:31 < dongs> T9620A
2015-10-28T11:30:37 < dongs> same shape
2015-10-28T11:30:42 < ReadError> they just put up the 4 video 5 days ago or so
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2015-10-28T11:44:58 < qyx> is there an stm32 with differential amp?
2015-10-28T11:45:05 < dongs> amp?
2015-10-28T11:45:12 < dongs> oh
2015-10-28T11:45:15 < qyx> or ADC woth PGA
2015-10-28T11:45:23 < dongs> i think there's PGA on F3 yeah
2015-10-28T11:45:38 < qyx> Op-amp with programmable gain
2015-10-28T11:45:43 < qyx> seems so
2015-10-28T11:46:52 < qyx> In PGA mode, the gain can be programmed to be 2, 4, 8 or 16.
2015-10-28T11:46:57 < qyx> not much
2015-10-28T11:47:50 < qyx> i am curious if this is enough for an ultrasonic receiver
2015-10-28T11:47:56 < qyx> probably not
2015-10-28T11:48:00 < dongs> maybe on a zano
2015-10-28T11:48:06 < dongs> when you dont want it to acutally work
2015-10-28T11:49:22 < qyx> whis would allow you to use single trnasducer with no external components
2015-10-28T11:49:52 < qyx> configure 50/50 pwm push-pull (complementary outputs) to drive it
2015-10-28T11:50:01 < dongs> but when chinaultrasonic thing is $2 why bother
2015-10-28T11:50:02 < qyx> and then reconfigure as analog inputs
2015-10-28T11:50:38 < qyx> but they use dedicated transmitter and receiver
2015-10-28T11:50:50 < dongs> rite
2015-10-28T11:50:53 < dongs> so does zano!11
2015-10-28T11:53:26 < dongs> and zano is the most innovative and future proof hardware there is
2015-10-28T11:53:44 < ReadError> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/137596013/phonedrone-ethos-a-whole-new-dimension-for-your-sm
2015-10-28T11:53:50 < ReadError> new zano to hate on
2015-10-28T11:53:56 < dongs> rofrl
2015-10-28T11:54:09 < dongs> is that for itrash only?
2015-10-28T11:54:26 < ReadError> nah
2015-10-28T11:56:28 < dongs> wait so
2015-10-28T11:56:31 < dongs> you put hte phone iN it
2015-10-28T11:56:34 < dongs> then how do you fly it?
2015-10-28T11:56:37 < dongs> another phone?
2015-10-28T11:56:37 < dongs> LOL
2015-10-28T11:56:50 < dongs> they kinda didnt mention that part
2015-10-28T11:56:52 < ReadError> i said the same thing
2015-10-28T11:57:01 < ReadError> apparently, you PREPROGRAM FLIGHT PATHS
2015-10-28T11:57:06 < dongs> riite
2015-10-28T11:57:08 < ReadError> or use a 2nd phone
2015-10-28T11:58:10 < __rob> I think there will be alot of people who fly their phone into a river with that
2015-10-28T11:58:32 < dongs> i hope so
2015-10-28T11:58:48 < dongs> i hope all those iphone 6S gold owners
2015-10-28T11:58:54 < dongs> who spent $900 on that piece o shit
2015-10-28T11:58:56 < dongs> fly it into the wtc
2015-10-28T11:58:57 < dongs> all at once
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2015-10-28T12:02:37 < karlp> what was CPH in this picknplace context?
2015-10-28T12:02:45 < ReadError> components per hour
2015-10-28T12:04:51 < karlp> takk
2015-10-28T12:08:27 < Sync> the neoden4 doesn't look all that shitty
2015-10-28T12:09:35 < karlp> love the fake voice though
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2015-10-28T12:10:47 < ReadError> haha ya
2015-10-28T12:10:59 < ReadError> with the random chinglish mixed in
2015-10-28T12:11:01 < ReadError> 'wow'
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2015-10-28T12:13:00 < Sync> at least it is not one of those shitshows where they bang the chip into that tray
2015-10-28T12:13:22 < ReadError> the pin straightening thing?
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2015-10-28T12:13:38 < ReadError> after getting some trays from china, i can see why they do that
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2015-10-28T12:19:30 < dongs> wut
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2015-10-28T12:24:31 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/mhZ-IWFpDSw?t=9
2015-10-28T12:24:33 < ReadError> that
2015-10-28T12:24:48 < dongs> lol
2015-10-28T12:24:50 < dongs> shitheap
2015-10-28T12:27:07 < dongs> that can fuck right off
2015-10-28T12:27:19 < dongs> ReadError: its not for pin straightetning you dumbfuck
2015-10-28T12:27:26 < dongs> its for finding out where you grabbed the chip
2015-10-28T12:27:30 < dongs> so you know the offsets to place it
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2015-10-28T12:28:15 < dongs> its basically replacement for bottom vision + optical centering
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2015-10-28T12:38:59 < ReadError> dongs ah yes could be
2015-10-28T12:48:31 < dongs> no thats what it is
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2015-10-28T12:56:41 < ReadError> these things seem useless w/o vision
2015-10-28T12:58:24 < dongs> beyond useless
2015-10-28T12:58:36 < dongs> and opensores cannot vision
2015-10-28T12:59:10 < ReadError> ya it can
2015-10-28T12:59:15 < ReadError> uses 2 cameras
2015-10-28T13:01:06 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ISop9YQUk
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2015-10-28T13:03:18 < karlp> ReadError: is that common in "pro" stuff, having to click on bits manually when setting up a new feeder?
2015-10-28T13:03:38 < ReadError> karlp thats not a ‘feeder’
2015-10-28T13:03:57 < ReadError> wtf my keymap got fucked
2015-10-28T13:04:12 < ReadError> thats for if you just put a strip of stuff on the table
2015-10-28T13:04:37 < karlp> for just taping some tape down?
2015-10-28T13:04:46 < karlp> the video says "feeder" that's all :)
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2015-10-28T13:06:09 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnYojW50tQI
2015-10-28T13:06:30 < ReadError> thats why you select 2 components so it can figure out the angle
2015-10-28T13:06:49 < karlp> right, ok, so this is a "feature" pro stuff doesn't even need.
2015-10-28T13:06:54 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VviPLNRWDFk
2015-10-28T13:07:00 < karlp> better hope you laid out that tape nice and straight though :)
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2015-10-28T13:07:09 < ReadError> thats drag feeding
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2015-10-28T13:13:50 < ReadError> i imagine it will be even more capable in the coming months
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2015-10-28T14:54:12 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/YlKp9og.gifv
2015-10-28T14:58:05 < karlp> that's awesome!
2015-10-28T14:59:31 < dongs> how the fuck do you view download status in crapple appstore
2015-10-28T15:00:17 < dongs> oic, makes so much sense. i hae to click on "PURCHASED" even tho its all free shit
2015-10-28T15:01:08 < PaulFertser> You've already sold your soul for that, nothing's free in appstore.
2015-10-28T15:01:23 < dongs> yeah no doubt
2015-10-28T15:03:09 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/FPV-Monocular-Head-Mount-Micro-Display-for-Aerial-p-994146.html
2015-10-28T15:03:12 < dongs> uh wow wat
2015-10-28T15:03:53 < scrts> analog thing
2015-10-28T15:03:57 < dongs> ya so?
2015-10-28T15:03:58 < scrts> like in old analog cameras
2015-10-28T15:04:31 < dongs> but for sure its digital display
2015-10-28T15:08:15 < dongs> I want to buy this item but only if it is vga 640 x 480.  On other sites items that look the same has it listed as 320x240. Hence can you please confirm it is actually vga. Anything less and it is not suitable for me. It's expensive item so can you please confirm. I will want a full refund if it's not vga and I will expect all return shipping to be payed for if I need to return it because it's not vga.
2015-10-28T15:08:21 < dongs> try this: get two of them, then if the resolution is only 320x240 on one, you will have 640x480 with two.
2015-10-28T15:08:25 < dongs> ^ lol
2015-10-28T15:08:54 < zyp> you'll ned for
2015-10-28T15:08:57 < zyp> four
2015-10-28T15:09:02 < dongs> right
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2015-10-28T15:16:16 < Sync> hmm
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2015-10-28T15:25:09 < Laurenceb> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/sundial-feature.gif?w=800
2015-10-28T15:27:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/uwotm8
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2015-10-28T15:31:45 < dongs> thats almost cool
2015-10-28T15:31:53 < dongs> exceept its on hackaday
2015-10-28T15:32:44 < englishman> i can see the comments now
2015-10-28T15:32:49 < englishman> "how do you make the shadow move?"
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2015-10-28T15:42:44 < Laurenceb> RAGE libreoffice
2015-10-28T15:42:58 < Laurenceb> if you copy then shut it down you can't paste
2015-10-28T15:43:30 < Laurenceb> how retarded is that
2015-10-28T15:44:56 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: from X11 selection of from X11 clipboard?
2015-10-28T15:44:58 < zyp> well, uh, doesn't clipboards work by reference?
2015-10-28T15:45:17 < Laurenceb> I can e.g. open pdf, copy, close pdf, paste
2015-10-28T15:48:54 < karlp> but then you lost the source formatting! which you totally wanted right?
2015-10-28T15:50:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClipboardPersistence
2015-10-28T15:51:21 < dongs> http://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/x86_harmful.pdf some unfunny shit before i goto sleep
2015-10-28T15:51:40 < zyp> haha
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2015-10-28T15:52:15 < Laurenceb> ah thanks
2015-10-28T15:52:49 < Steffann_> Yw
2015-10-28T15:52:56 < PaulFertser> Hooray, a new InvisibleThings research paper!
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2015-10-28T15:53:00 < Laurenceb> OpenOffice.org: Confirmed heh
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2015-10-28T15:55:53 < Laurenceb> http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Mean_e2552a_2361783.jpg
2015-10-28T16:08:59 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10513609
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2015-10-28T17:20:08 < Tectu> so how is everybody today?
2015-10-28T17:20:21 < jadew> pumped
2015-10-28T17:20:29 < jadew> me
2015-10-28T17:20:31 < jadew> I'm pumped
2015-10-28T17:25:13 < zyp> sleepy
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2015-10-28T17:27:32 < Tectu> I see
2015-10-28T17:27:37 < Tectu> anything I can do about it?
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2015-10-28T18:33:36 < obnauticus> If you are using SWD, do you need to use any other pins than SWDIO and SWCLK to debug?
2015-10-28T18:33:58 < Laurenceb> no
2015-10-28T18:34:01 < obnauticus> kk
2015-10-28T18:34:29 < Laurenceb> but SWO and reset might help
2015-10-28T18:34:47 < Tectu> also make sure that you got a ground pin on your connector...
2015-10-28T18:34:52 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-28T18:35:13 < Tectu> Laurenceb, there was that guy doing PCBs for small company... did forget that the programming header needs a ground pin
2015-10-28T18:35:19 < Tectu> -> rage mode
2015-10-28T18:35:27 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-10-28T18:35:27 < obnauticus> SWO Laurenceb ?
2015-10-28T18:35:36 < obnauticus> I'm trying to connect this ST-Link programmer to a STM32F103
2015-10-28T18:35:46 < __rob> anyone know how I can get debugging working on code thats been moved to ram
2015-10-28T18:36:20 < Tectu> __rob, try to bump PaulFertser
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2015-10-28T18:36:32 < Laurenceb> SWO is for trace output
2015-10-28T18:36:33 < __rob> tried add-symbol-file ./test.elf 0x08001000 -s .relocated 0x020000100
2015-10-28T18:36:39 < __rob> with gdb
2015-10-28T18:36:42 < Laurenceb> not needed for basic gdb session
2015-10-28T18:36:47 < __rob> but it still wont step the c code
2015-10-28T18:36:51 < __rob> only the asm
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2015-10-28T19:07:01 < kakimir> dongs: are those dick'n place machines any good?
2015-10-28T19:07:10 < karlp> __rob: faster to just stop goofing around with running code from ram.
2015-10-28T19:07:37 < karlp> if youve' got some _reallllly_ serious ideas for performance, knock yourself out, but if it's some "save my flash/faster flashing" just stop wasting your time.
2015-10-28T19:09:18 < __rob> no, I want to reflash the chip
2015-10-28T19:09:29 < __rob> so I want to load some code into ram, to keep things running while this happens
2015-10-28T19:09:55 < __rob> got it debugging, If I load the symbol for my reloacation section from the intermediate .o file
2015-10-28T19:10:03 < __rob> doesn't seem to work from the .elf
2015-10-28T19:10:14 < __rob> which I dont understand. Its got the same sections in it
2015-10-28T19:11:11 < __rob> Also, from what I've read, the perfomance of flashing while executing code is poor
2015-10-28T19:11:14 < __rob> and interrupts will be missed
2015-10-28T19:11:21 < __rob> I want to keep the lwip stack running while I reflash
2015-10-28T19:19:30 < zyp> why not just run it from a different flash region from the one you're writing?
2015-10-28T19:19:51 < zyp> works just fine
2015-10-28T19:19:52 < __rob> the file spans the regions
2015-10-28T19:20:05 < __rob> I also want to rewrite the bootloader
2015-10-28T19:20:12 < __rob> or have the option
2015-10-28T19:20:39 < zyp> that's a nice way to brick the device :)
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2015-10-28T19:44:48 < mtbg> hi
2015-10-28T19:44:54 < upgrdman_> hi
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2015-10-28T20:17:19 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/4/48/Cutaway-winger.jpg
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2015-10-28T20:22:18 < Steffanx> Are you sure that's where you have your pleassure center Laurenceb?
2015-10-28T20:22:52 < Laurenceb> it appears to be anatomically correct, I see no errors
2015-10-28T20:23:17 < Steffanx> men tits included?
2015-10-28T20:27:43 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/mpzPpzm.gifv
2015-10-28T20:33:07 < englishman> lol just like snatch
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2015-10-28T21:01:55 < mtbg> btw
2015-10-28T21:02:32 < mtbg> that ubeam thing needs to use about 160dB SPL to receive 1W/cm^2 assuming 100% efficiency
2015-10-28T21:03:20 < Tectu> not that again...
2015-10-28T21:03:27 < mtbg> ok
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2015-10-28T21:28:09 < karlp> oops, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/janulus/trinity-portable-wind-turbine-power-station
2015-10-28T21:28:30 < karlp> these guys were on the news tonight, trying to avoid the cameras and denying that there was anything wrong or that there was any investigation for fraud.
2015-10-28T21:29:09 < karlp> 10 backers for $2800 crazies
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2015-10-28T21:42:34 < jubatus> I want a folding wind turbine that I can carry in my wallet
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2015-10-28T22:07:31 < upgrdman_> if there's several devices on an SPI bus, and you need to send a few bytes to each, is there any efficient way to do that? dma won't switch CS lines, so... ?
2015-10-28T22:07:49 < upgrdman_> obviously if they could be on different spi periphs that would be best, but if not possible, then what?
2015-10-28T22:10:07 < Lux> switch the cs lines with software ? i guess there is no other way on stm32
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2015-10-28T22:10:17 < Lux> xmc have better hardware in that regard
2015-10-28T22:10:18 < upgrdman_> currently using interrupts + state machine, but not sure if theres a better way
2015-10-28T22:10:31 < upgrdman_> xmc?
2015-10-28T22:10:39 < Lux> infineon stuff
2015-10-28T22:10:48 < upgrdman_> k
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2015-10-28T22:31:07 < Taxman> upgrdman: There is no better way
2015-10-28T22:33:59 < Taxman> at least i don't know one
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2015-10-28T22:47:22 < Lux> upgrdman_: that stuff might be worth looking at: https://github.com/MJ666/autoquad/blob/master/onboard/spi.c
2015-10-28T22:51:36 < upgrdman_> looks like theyre using multiple spi peripherals?
2015-10-28T22:51:39 < upgrdman_> Taxman, k
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2015-10-28T23:03:55 < Lux> they are, that's a fc board with multiple spi sensors
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2015-10-28T23:24:42 < kakimir> the men of u.n.c.l.e. nice spy movie
2015-10-28T23:24:46 < kakimir> recommended
2015-10-28T23:25:00 < upgrdman_> sounds super homo
2015-10-28T23:25:28 < kakimir> *the men from
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2015-10-29T00:14:06 < scrts> where do you search fancy chips datasheets?
2015-10-29T00:14:12 < scrts> can't find lcd display datasheet :/
2015-10-29T00:18:31 < Fleck> google :/
2015-10-29T00:18:57 < Taxman> hehe
2015-10-29T00:19:36 < Taxman> it is funny with datasheets that one can only download after signing a nda. and digikey just puts this datasheet online
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2015-10-29T00:46:27 < Laurenceb_> is I2S supported on stm32f103cbt6?
2015-10-29T00:46:49 < Laurenceb_> I dont see any reason why not from the datasheet, but its not there in the features matrix thingy
2015-10-29T00:52:15 < karlp> try the ref man instead then.
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2015-10-29T01:25:17 < jadew> kakimir, was just preparing to watch something and came across that
2015-10-29T01:25:25 < jadew> thanks for the recommendation
2015-10-29T01:25:52 < jadew> lots of spy movies this year
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2015-10-29T01:37:34 < zyp> that looks like a fun movie
2015-10-29T01:37:37 < zyp> I should watch it
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2015-10-29T01:44:14 < oz4ga> HA! I had a U.N.C.L.E toy car from Techno as a child
2015-10-29T01:44:43 < kakimir> what does that stand for?
2015-10-29T01:45:48 < oz4ga> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_U.N.C.L.E.
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2015-10-29T02:53:57 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-29T02:54:13 < dongs> kakimir: i dunno, they're almost too cheap to be good but the videos look ok
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2015-10-29T02:55:39 < dongs> sup
2015-10-29T02:55:40 < dongs> did you know?
2015-10-29T02:55:44 < dongs> zano propellers rotate backwards
2015-10-29T02:55:45 < dongs> wheen its landing
2015-10-29T02:55:54 < dongs> but its totally normal and part of stabilization
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2015-10-29T03:04:55 < dongs> hey zano is no longer up for preorder
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2015-10-29T03:42:34 < dongs> proing
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2015-10-29T04:17:07 < upgrdman> nice
2015-10-29T04:19:19 < upgrdman> is there a PDF reader for windows that is less shitty than adobe reader?
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2015-10-29T04:25:32 < ReadError> dongs ordered stuff to start openPNP!!!
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2015-10-29T08:59:26 < dongs> upgrdman: adobe reader is gr8
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2015-10-29T10:26:40 < dongs> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/8449295
2015-10-29T10:27:23 < dongs> attn zyp found your new place for tokyo
2015-10-29T10:30:05 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/7Mo24Xc.png no thx
2015-10-29T10:31:45 < zyp> dongs, haha, wat
2015-10-29T10:32:00 < dongs> the description and reviews are pretty cool
2015-10-29T10:32:58 < ReadError> get woken up and have to sit outside while she jerks some guys off in your bed it seems
2015-10-29T10:35:02 < mitrax> my STM32F429 suddenly won't flash and openocd says Error: stm32x device protected / Error: failed erasing sectors 0 to 9 / Error: flash_erase returned -4
2015-10-29T10:35:10 < mitrax> any idea what could be wrong?
2015-10-29T10:35:17 < zyp> uh, did you read the error?
2015-10-29T10:35:29 < zyp> you've turned on write protection
2015-10-29T10:35:56 < mitrax> i didn't
2015-10-29T10:36:07 < mitrax> i don't even know how to do that yes
2015-10-29T10:36:12 < mitrax> err yes / yet
2015-10-29T10:36:31 < zyp> how do you know you didn't do it unintentionally then?
2015-10-29T10:36:44 < mitrax> i might have, but how could that happen?
2015-10-29T10:37:00 < mitrax> i just flashed my usual firmware which was working previously before
2015-10-29T10:37:06 < zyp> idk
2015-10-29T10:37:22 < zyp> do a mass erase and try again
2015-10-29T10:38:11 < mitrax> okay i'll try that thanks
2015-10-29T10:38:20 < dongs> if it fails, hold reset while connecting
2015-10-29T10:38:37 < dongs> incase you fucked something up that kills swd on boot
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2015-10-29T10:39:19 < mitrax> alright
2015-10-29T10:44:39 < mitrax> gah ST-LINK says read out protection is activated
2015-10-29T10:45:27 < zyp> mass erase will kill all protection
2015-10-29T10:46:06 < mitrax> zyp: can i do that with the ST-LINK utility? i don't see a mass erase command
2015-10-29T10:46:14 < zyp> dunno
2015-10-29T10:46:27 < zyp> might be called «full chip erase» or something
2015-10-29T10:47:05 < mitrax> zyp: there's "Erase Chip" "Erase Bank 1" "Erase Bank 2" "Erase Sectors", i tried erase chip but no go
2015-10-29T10:47:16 < mitrax> i'll try erasing all sectors
2015-10-29T10:48:39 < zyp> well, either the chip is protected or broken in a way that makes it seem to be protected
2015-10-29T10:49:37 < mitrax> bleh :(
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2015-10-29T10:59:42 < emeryth> mitrax: have you tried "stm32f2x unlock 0" in openocd?
2015-10-29T11:01:45 < mitrax> emeryth: no
2015-10-29T11:07:36 < mitrax> emeryth: for a STM32F4 that would be stm32F4x i assume ? :)
2015-10-29T11:07:54 < emeryth> no
2015-10-29T11:09:37 < emeryth> http://openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Commands.html
2015-10-29T11:09:39 < mitrax> emertyh: my IDE connects to openocd and pass command along (== i don't know shit to gdb) to send that command i'd run the command line gdb, then connect to openocd using remote target, then?
2015-10-29T11:09:45 < mitrax> ah
2015-10-29T11:11:06 < emeryth> you can connect to the openocd console over telnet on port 4444
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2015-10-29T11:17:11 < mitrax> emeryth: so i just telnet and "stm32f2x unlock 0"? openocd "warn: ignoring character 0x" for every  character of the command
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2015-10-29T11:38:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/soOdnZ6.jpg
2015-10-29T11:39:00 < dongs> so some jap hasnt paid for liek 3 months
2015-10-29T11:39:07 < dongs> owes ~$3k
2015-10-29T11:39:21 < dongs> i google his name, and he was in some twitter/2ch related bullying crap
2015-10-29T11:39:30 < dongs> and is/was in jail
2015-10-29T11:39:34 < zyp> haha
2015-10-29T11:39:53 < dongs> duno if same jap but
2015-10-29T11:40:00 < zyp> speaking of owing, when do korea want money for PCBA?
2015-10-29T11:40:08 < dongs> oh do you still owe something?
2015-10-29T11:40:12 < dongs> ill ask
2015-10-29T11:40:20 < dongs> arcin?
2015-10-29T11:40:23 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-29T11:40:31 < zyp> I've only paid for parts
2015-10-29T11:41:02 < dongs> i see i've bene invoiced for it few weeks ago
2015-10-29T11:41:37 < zyp> haha
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2015-10-29T12:04:19 < mitrax> weird, when i check the option bytes with st-link utility, i have indeed all sectors marked as read / write protected, but as LEVEL1, i disable the protection and  clickapply, then 20 sec later "failed to set option bytes"
2015-10-29T12:04:24 < mitrax> i guess the chip is fried somehow
2015-10-29T12:08:06 < mitrax> on an STM32F4 to activate the bootloader that let me send command via uart do i only need to set BOOT0 to 1 and BOOT1 to 0?
2015-10-29T12:10:57 < dongs> boot1 is ~usually zero
2015-10-29T12:11:01 < dongs> since you arent booting from sram
2015-10-29T12:11:10 < dongs> and then boot0 high or low to boot from ROM or flash
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2015-10-29T12:13:44 < mitrax> dongs: thanks, any idea of what could cause the option bytes to change although i never touched them? i flashed the board yesterday, everything was working fine, i powered it off (while it was connected on the stlink, but already flashed), then this morning it wouldn't start, and the option bytes says flash is read/write protected
2015-10-29T12:15:22 < dongs> could be anything
2015-10-29T12:15:25 < dongs> do you ahve code that writes to flash?
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2015-10-29T12:16:44 < ReadError> fuck finally got this smoothieboard working
2015-10-29T12:16:49 < ReadError> real pain in the dick
2015-10-29T12:17:00 < mitrax> dongs: nope
2015-10-29T12:19:11 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/in/takasumasakazu man this guy is just jerking it to makers
2015-10-29T12:25:58 < mitrax> dongs: could ESD have caused that? i mean, am i very unlucky or does that happen often when you're lazy and don't ground yourself etc
2015-10-29T12:26:08 < dongs> no
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2015-10-29T12:32:17 < dongs> Autonomous, Intelligent, Swarming??? From the limited videos I've seen this drone cannot do any of these! Gone are the backers who over and over stated "this is the best kickstarter campaign ever & TG is doing a great job.' They've now not only stopped communicating but shut down the forum to try and stop the negative feedback.
2015-10-29T12:33:22 < ReadError> http://oi67.tinypic.com/692bt0.jpg
2015-10-29T12:33:30 < ReadError> bankrupt heh
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2015-10-29T12:33:53 < Tectu> New discovery board: http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/CL1620/SC959/SS1532/LN1848/PF262395
2015-10-29T12:34:12 < karlp> dude, you're like days late.
2015-10-29T12:34:14 < dongs> fucking ST site
2015-10-29T12:34:18 < ReadError> so fucking slow
2015-10-29T12:34:23 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-29T12:34:24 < ReadError> if its even loading
2015-10-29T12:34:27 < dongs> i bet everyone in here clicking
2015-10-29T12:34:29 < dongs> just crashed
2015-10-29T12:34:33 < dongs> their fucking shitsite
2015-10-29T12:36:07 < Tectu> karlp, they sent their spam mail just hours ago
2015-10-29T12:36:26 < ReadError> heh their tech dept is in india
2015-10-29T12:36:32 < ReadError> explains everything
2015-10-29T12:36:32 < Tectu> karlp, I would have assume that the official ST newsletter is the latest source of news
2015-10-29T12:43:58 < Taxman> Tectu: Thanks for notification
2015-10-29T12:44:25 < Tectu> Taxman, np ;)
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2015-10-29T12:46:55 < dongs> The air pressure sensor is under the main flight frame so is also subject to air pressure changes caused by the propellers, this is at least something we can measure and calibrate out on the fly.
2015-10-29T12:47:02 < dongs> today torquing discovers that baros must be covered
2015-10-29T12:47:52 < dongs> We are working on a number of signal processing techniques to better extract the real air pressure from the noise and most of the time in still air the altitude control works well. We may well also augment this with GPS altitude if available and sonar isn.t. Just a small tweak but it will require extensive testing before being released.
2015-10-29T12:47:57 < dongs> god damn "just a small tweat"
2015-10-29T12:47:59 < dongs> "more testing"
2015-10-29T12:48:06 < dongs> he always writes that retarded shit
2015-10-29T12:48:44 < dongs> Turn the motors on and see the change then turn them off. I need to do something similar but vary the motor speeds to create a chart that shows change in air pressure and how it is affected by average motor power. This will remove the motor impact on the altitude control. If your able to generate that chart or if anyone else is and send it to me, that will reduce the time to implement the altitude control update in the OS.
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2015-10-29T12:48:50 < dongs> wat
2015-10-29T12:48:51 < dongs> ivan asking for HELP
2015-10-29T12:48:53 < dongs> on FORUMS
2015-10-29T12:48:55 < dongs> Laurenceb_: beep
2015-10-29T12:48:56 < dongs> about STUPID SHIT
2015-10-29T12:48:59 < dongs> Turn the motors on and see the change then turn them off. I need to do something similar but vary the motor speeds to create a chart that shows change in air pressure and how it is affected by average motor power. This will remove the motor impact on the altitude control. If your able to generate that chart or if anyone else is and send it to me, that will reduce the time to implement the altitude control update in the OS.
2015-10-29T12:49:35 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/gallery/npRJNrO
2015-10-29T12:50:16 < Laurenceb_> doesnt it have a baro sensor?
2015-10-29T12:50:20 < dongs> it does
2015-10-29T12:50:27 < dongs> The air pressure sensor is under the main flight frame so is also subject to air pressure changes caused by the propellers, this is at least something we can measure and calibrate out on the fly.
2015-10-29T12:50:35 < dongs> but its in open propeller airflow
2015-10-29T12:50:39 < dongs> and they havent learned back in 2014
2015-10-29T12:50:42 < dongs> that you need to cover them
2015-10-29T12:50:53 < dongs> We are working on a number of signal processing techniques to better extract the real air pressure from the noise and most of the time in still air the altitude control works well.
2015-10-29T12:51:16 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-10-29T12:51:23 < Laurenceb_> thats not going to work
2015-10-29T12:51:31 < dongs> yep
2015-10-29T12:52:40 < dongs> The USB charger will put out a maximum of 385ma, Zano with video running and in full power mode will draw a similar amount.
2015-10-29T12:52:43 < dongs> haha
2015-10-29T12:52:46 < dongs> idle zano uses 385mA
2015-10-29T12:52:50 < dongs> with motors not spinning
2015-10-29T12:53:18 < mtbg> from 7.4V battery?
2015-10-29T12:53:38 < dongs> 1S lipo
2015-10-29T12:53:43 < mtbg> ok
2015-10-29T12:55:37 < mtbg> the wind from propellers probably causes not only noise, but actual change in mean value from the sensor
2015-10-29T12:55:45 < dongs> yes
2015-10-29T12:56:16 < mtbg> so to discriminate it they will have to assume some pressure change and correct the filtered value by it
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2015-10-29T13:08:33 < trepidacious> Can you really control altitude from air pressure with any useful resolution?
2015-10-29T13:09:14 < Lux> sure
2015-10-29T13:09:40 < Lux> you get like +/- 0.5m accuracy
2015-10-29T13:10:11 < Lux> but with wind, weather changing etc it gets worse
2015-10-29T13:11:33 < trepidacious> Yup, seems like a recipe for crashing :)
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2015-10-29T13:18:09 < jubatus> air pressure changes from minute to minute at the same altitude
2015-10-29T13:18:26 < jubatus> but airplanes use a calibrated barometer so I guess there is some workaround
2015-10-29T13:19:50 < karlp> Tectu: well, that was on their website a few days ago, and I got some earlier email about it from eetimes or something?
2015-10-29T13:20:03 < Tectu> karlp, ah, I see
2015-10-29T13:20:08 < Tectu> karlp, with did you not let me know? ;)
2015-10-29T13:20:11 < Lux> it's not that bad, you usually don't get more than 2m variation over like 1 hour or so
2015-10-29T13:21:48 < karlp> Tectu: I did. I mentioned it here a few days ago,
2015-10-29T13:22:09 < karlp> I wouldn't have been able to claim "old, that was days ago" if I hadn't actually entioned it :)
2015-10-29T13:22:12 < Tectu> karlp, I thought we two would have a more personal and direct relationship
2015-10-29T13:22:20 < karlp> you're too busy with steffan and jpa
2015-10-29T13:22:27 < Tectu> hah
2015-10-29T13:23:25 < karlp> 2015-10-26T16:22:38 < karlp> dongs: were you looking at DSI or something in new stdperiph lib? there's a new f469 disco board, with mipi dsi touch screen  http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/CL1620/SC959/SS1532/LN1848/PF262395
2015-10-29T13:23:32 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-29T13:23:39 < dongs> i was too stoned and thought it was F7
2015-10-29T13:23:40 < karlp> you should have been more busy with jpa an dhis logs tectu ;)
2015-10-29T13:24:15 < Tectu> karlp, indeed
2015-10-29T13:24:21 < karlp> also, fucking strings in c.
2015-10-29T13:24:34 < karlp> get real clever and use strdup so youdon't have fixed limits all over the place
2015-10-29T13:24:45 < karlp> now you gotta keep freeing and duping to copy shit
2015-10-29T13:24:55 < karlp> cant' memcpy a struct anymore
2015-10-29T13:25:44 < Tectu> time for micropython
2015-10-29T13:36:01 < karlp> neh, no time for that shit, just gotta stop noobin it up
2015-10-29T13:36:18 < karlp> valgrind to the rescue
2015-10-29T13:40:30 < zyp> dongs, so when are you pairing up the f469 with a DSI to HDMI chip and kickstarting it as a hdmiduino?
2015-10-29T13:40:43 < karlp> nah, put a gsm module on it, call it a phone
2015-10-29T13:41:21 < dongs> zyp, duno if its really worth it, cuz its cheaper to use parallel->HDMI from LCD interface already
2015-10-29T13:41:24 < dongs> you dont need dsi
2015-10-29T13:41:44 < dongs> as long as it can support one of standard hdmi rezs
2015-10-29T13:42:04 < dongs> can parallel LCD I/F do 640xwhatever or 800xwahtever?
2015-10-29T13:42:22 < zyp> hmm, dunno
2015-10-29T13:42:22 < mitrax> assuming my device was flashed accidentally with protection level 1 shouldn't i be able to overwrite the option bytes?
2015-10-29T13:44:22 < dongs> LCD TFT controller supporting up to XGA
2015-10-29T13:44:23 < dongs> resolution
2015-10-29T13:44:26 < dongs> so yeah
2015-10-29T13:44:31 < dongs> totally doable stm->hdmi
2015-10-29T13:45:50 < mitrax> http://download.unfiltered.net/gaah.png
2015-10-29T13:46:05 < dongs> er isnt there a gui
2015-10-29T13:46:07 < dongs> for that
2015-10-29T13:46:09 < dongs> why are you using some cli aids
2015-10-29T13:46:41 < mitrax> because the gui fails as well :)
2015-10-29T13:47:05 < mitrax> kinda silly to think the command line utility would work, but at least it's clear from the command line switches what options i'm using
2015-10-29T13:47:36 < PaulFertser> mitrax: what does "stm32f2x unlock 0" say?
2015-10-29T13:48:11 < mitrax> paulferster: i tried that but didn't get it to work, i should connect to openocd using telnet and type that?
2015-10-29T13:48:37 < mitrax> paulferster: or connect through a gdb client and send the command somehow?
2015-10-29T13:50:02 < emeryth> mitrax: connect with telnet, then do "reset halt" then try unlock
2015-10-29T13:50:14 < mitrax> ah
2015-10-29T13:51:23 < mitrax> as before "Warn : ignoring character 0x72 / Warn : ignoring character 0x65" etc, is there an escape character / sequence when i'm connected?
2015-10-29T13:51:41 < PaulFertser> mitrax: telnet is ok
2015-10-29T13:51:43 < emeryth> what
2015-10-29T13:51:59 < karlp> telnetting to the gdb port?
2015-10-29T13:52:07 < PaulFertser> mitrax: there shouldn't be anything, what tool are you using to telnet, and what port?
2015-10-29T13:52:21 < mitrax> oh doh i connected to port 3333
2015-10-29T13:52:40  * mitrax slaps himself
2015-10-29T13:52:56 < karlp> you could run gdb and then "mon stm32f2x unlock 0" if you insist on using the gdb port :)
2015-10-29T13:53:20 < mitrax> Device Security Bit Set
2015-10-29T13:53:30 < mitrax> ah
2015-10-29T13:53:33 < mitrax> Device Security Bit Set
2015-10-29T13:53:33 < mitrax> stm32f2x unlocked.
2015-10-29T13:53:33 < mitrax> INFO: a reset or power cycle is required for the new settings to take effect.
2015-10-29T13:53:56  * mitrax crosses fingers
2015-10-29T13:55:20 < mitrax> same thing :(
2015-10-29T13:56:26 < mitrax> ah no if i try to unlock it again with the same command it reports the device ID and flash size, which it didn't before
2015-10-29T13:56:30 < mitrax> err no/now
2015-10-29T13:56:43 < mitrax> except ... uh flash size = 4103kbytes wtf
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2015-10-29T14:01:33 < mtbg> maybe try:
2015-10-29T14:01:34 < mtbg> reset init
2015-10-29T14:01:34 < mtbg> stm32f4x unlock 0 - power cycle here then
2015-10-29T14:01:34 < mtbg> reset init
2015-10-29T14:01:35 < mtbg> flash info 0
2015-10-29T14:07:38 < mitrax> mtbg: http://download.unfiltered.net/openocd.png
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2015-10-29T14:10:14 < karlp> rev unknown?
2015-10-29T14:10:17 < mtbg> I've had similar problem
2015-10-29T14:10:18 < mtbg> https://marc.info/?l=openocd-development&m=138006305629644&w=2
2015-10-29T14:10:26 < mtbg> but that solved it for me
2015-10-29T14:10:31 < mitrax> plus the reported flash size is 4103kbytes
2015-10-29T14:10:49 < mitrax> ah
2015-10-29T14:12:08 < mitrax> karlp: yeah ... that's why i suspect the chip is fried, thing that worries me is i have no idea how it happened
2015-10-29T14:14:14 < karlp> did you read mtbg's thread?
2015-10-29T14:14:35 < mitrax> yeah i'm trying what he did atm
2015-10-29T14:17:00 < mitrax> no matter what i do the security bit is stuck
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2015-10-29T14:35:05 < dongs> I believe the real issue seems to get forgotten here. Yes, the delay of the delivery is annoying, but consider what you get presently if they ship a Zano to you..... According to the feedback here and what is posted on Youtube, you receive a quadcopter, which is of very low quality, which does not really fly, which selfdestructs within the first tries to fly
2015-10-29T14:35:13 < dongs> What we in fact should be pushing for, is that these guys STOP delivery, first resolve all the quality and functional issues and then deliver a useable product. I rather wait a year longer than receiving a piece of trash...
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2015-10-29T15:02:33 < dongs> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09126527/filing-history these guys own 500 shares of torquing
2015-10-29T15:02:54 < dongs> and they're also in same building
2015-10-29T15:03:04 < dongs> oh fuck
2015-10-29T15:03:09 < dongs> Appointment of Anna Dietrich as a director
2015-10-29T15:03:13 < dongs> its another family scambiz
2015-10-29T15:03:26 < dongs> err wrong link
2015-10-29T15:03:44 < dongs> no, right link
2015-10-29T15:03:50 < dongs> Director's details changed for Mr Philip Victor Busby on 1 January 2015
2015-10-29T15:03:59 < dongs> busby is some torquing relative shit
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2015-10-29T15:12:30 < dongs> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/oXKd1Gs2lpwETyBAiXQZUrBe0Mg/appointments
2015-10-29T15:16:40 < karlp> and the son/brother,
2015-10-29T15:16:48 < dongs> right
2015-10-29T15:16:50 < karlp> and sigtech communications, appointed yesterday
2015-10-29T15:16:56 < dongs> whats that?
2015-10-29T15:17:18 < karlp> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/Qj9xnEpvvbvc2GWYnubBj2aWDjo/appointments
2015-10-29T15:17:45 < dongs> hoho
2015-10-29T15:18:06 < dongs> err
2015-10-29T15:18:09 < dongs> wahts the diference from ths link https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/oXKd1Gs2lpwETyBAiXQZUrBe0Mg/appointments
2015-10-29T15:18:15 < dongs> same guy? but why different list
2015-10-29T15:20:57 < karlp> no idea.
2015-10-29T15:21:33 < dongs> sigtech was incormporated yesterday.
2015-10-29T15:21:36 < dongs> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09845703
2015-10-29T15:22:57 < karlp> awww, torquing environmental group is dissolved
2015-10-29T15:23:02 < dongs> lewl
2015-10-29T15:23:07 < dongs> how about torquing golf tours
2015-10-29T15:23:38 < karlp> reece has his own private company too, https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09150702
2015-10-29T15:24:13 < dongs> 7 goat street sounds fmaiilar
2015-10-29T15:24:17 < dongs> that was that lawyer office building
2015-10-29T15:24:23 < dongs> that has like 3000 other companies listed in it
2015-10-29T15:24:32 < karlp> all the addresses will be lawyers apart from one or two company offices
2015-10-29T15:24:36 < dongs> rite
2015-10-29T15:24:48 < karlp> no way you'd ever have your own home address in company filings
2015-10-29T15:25:09 < mtbg> lol
2015-10-29T15:25:18 < mtbg> dongs: you fooled someone in kickstarter comments
2015-10-29T15:25:22 < mtbg> with your fake zano videos
2015-10-29T15:25:25 < dongs> yeah i know
2015-10-29T15:25:31 < dongs> i got like 2k views from just that
2015-10-29T15:25:32 < dongs> lulz
2015-10-29T15:25:53 < dongs> heh reece company occupation is "consultancy and investment"
2015-10-29T15:26:40 < dongs> hm isnt crowther australian?
2015-10-29T15:26:45 < dongs> or did he become a brit citizen
2015-10-29T15:27:11 < dongs> oh
2015-10-29T15:27:22 < dongs> born 28 November 1988
2015-10-29T15:27:29 < dongs> matches with 11/88 thing in the filing
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2015-10-29T15:41:55 < Tectu> dongs, got a minute?
2015-10-29T15:43:11 < dongs> mayebe
2015-10-29T15:43:15 < dongs> brushing teeth and almost zzzing
2015-10-29T15:43:16 < dongs> sup
2015-10-29T15:44:25 < dongs> WAIT
2015-10-29T15:44:46 < ReadError> http://www.mandatory.com/2015/10/28/this-backpack-looks-like-an-actual-scrotum-complete-with-pubic/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00002185 nswf kinda
2015-10-29T15:44:56 < dongs> oh, hm, rockford lane limited is also a shareholder of torquing
2015-10-29T15:44:59 < dongs> the circlejerk is complete
2015-10-29T15:51:06 < __rob> <mtbg> dongs: you fooled someone in kickstarter comments with your fake zano videos
2015-10-29T15:51:11 < __rob> whats the link ?
2015-10-29T15:51:30 < dongs> somewhere in teh comments
2015-10-29T15:51:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/comments
2015-10-29T15:51:35 < dongs> like 5-6 pages down
2015-10-29T15:52:02 < __rob> your username is dongs?
2015-10-29T15:52:12 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/comments?cursor=11454672#comment-11454671
2015-10-29T15:52:15 < dongs> no, i cant post there
2015-10-29T15:52:20 < dongs> only people who gave money to them
2015-10-29T15:53:43 < mtbg> also https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/comments?cursor=11465590#comment-11465589
2015-10-29T15:54:47 < dongs> oh ight that guy
2015-10-29T15:54:58 < dongs> and he was later arguing how theyt look not bad
2015-10-29T15:55:08 < __rob> what a shame its turned out like it did
2015-10-29T15:55:12 < __rob> so much hype and money
2015-10-29T15:56:21 < dongs> how could it have ever been anything useful
2015-10-29T15:57:14 < mtbg> too much marketing
2015-10-29T15:57:21 < mtbg> too little reasoning
2015-10-29T15:59:18 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1600545869/yeair-the-quadcopter-of-the-future-from-1399 heh
2015-10-29T16:12:06 < Getty> "China has decided to end its decades-long one-child policy ... Couples will now be allowed to have two children" <facepalm>
2015-10-29T16:12:36 < ReadError> I read thats only if you are a single child
2015-10-29T16:12:46 < ReadError> like if the mother doesnt have a sister/brother
2015-10-29T16:12:48 < ReadError> she can have 2?
2015-10-29T16:14:39 < Getty> that was last year
2015-10-29T16:14:59 < Getty> aehm 2 years ago: "The Communist Party began formally relaxing national rules two years ago, allowing couples in which at least one of the pair is an only child to have a second child"
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2015-10-29T16:15:38 < Getty> what was btw the rules about twins?
2015-10-29T16:15:46 < Getty> i mean... what if a mother gets twin? is one shot? ;)
2015-10-29T16:15:48 < emeryth> you have to pick one
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2015-10-29T16:16:10 < emeryth> it's easy if they're identical
2015-10-29T16:19:16 < mitrax> the one child policy is not that strict ... every people i met in china had siblings or multiple childs
2015-10-29T16:19:34 < mitrax> three were 20ish and one in his forty
2015-10-29T16:19:54 < Ecco> Guys
2015-10-29T16:20:10 < Ecco> I'd like to purchase cheap rechargeable batteries
2015-10-29T16:20:15 < Ecco> very thin
2015-10-29T16:20:19 < Ecco> I don't care about the capacity
2015-10-29T16:20:27 < Ecco> where can I look?
2015-10-29T16:20:53 < emeryth> aliexpress? alibaba?
2015-10-29T16:21:02 < Ecco> well, I guess
2015-10-29T16:21:13 < Ecco> It's a pretty painful process though, nothing's sorted
2015-10-29T16:21:16 < dongs> very thin will be only lipo
2015-10-29T16:21:20 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-29T16:21:22 < dongs> you can buy single cells from hobbyking
2015-10-29T16:21:31 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-10-29T16:21:40 < Ecco> on HobbyKing they focus on the discharge rate, don't they?
2015-10-29T16:21:45 < dongs> http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18558__Turnigy_2200mAh_1S_20C_Lipoly_Single_Cell_.html
2015-10-29T16:21:48 < dongs> like this
2015-10-29T16:21:50 < Ecco> I really don't care (I'll pull max 2 mA out of this)
2015-10-29T16:22:04 < dongs> http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18560__Turnigy_5000mAh_1S_20C_Lipoly_Single_Cell_.html
2015-10-29T16:22:07 < dongs> etc
2015-10-29T16:22:13 < Ecco> Interesting
2015-10-29T16:22:22 < Ecco> I'm looking for something significantly thinner though
2015-10-29T16:22:27 < Ecco> (and significantly lower capacity)
2015-10-29T16:22:27 < dongs> i think they have 10ah pack also
2015-10-29T16:22:30 < dongs> oh.
2015-10-29T16:22:34 < dongs> 2200 is smallest they got.
2015-10-29T16:22:40 < Ecco> Like 300 mAh would be good already
2015-10-29T16:22:49 < Ecco> I'm currently using a CR2032
2015-10-29T16:22:57 < scrts> sup lads?
2015-10-29T16:23:03 < Ecco> But it really deosn't allow for a nice design
2015-10-29T16:23:09 < Ecco> Electrically it's perfect
2015-10-29T16:23:15 < scrts> I saw STM32 with MIPI DSI... capable of 720p30 only.. FFS...
2015-10-29T16:23:17 < Ecco> but physically, I'd like something flatter
2015-10-29T16:23:24 < dongs> http://www.batterymart.com/images/products/pda/pda-256li.jpg
2015-10-29T16:23:35 < dongs> like this?
2015-10-29T16:23:38 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-10-29T16:23:38 < scrts> Ecco: what about mobile phone batteries?
2015-10-29T16:23:43 < dongs> this is sansa fuze replacement batt
2015-10-29T16:23:48 < dongs> they're about ~2mm thin i guess
2015-10-29T16:23:56 < dongs> 500mAh i think
2015-10-29T16:23:59 < Ecco> Hmm, good
2015-10-29T16:24:07 < Ecco> Is it possible to look for something even thinner?
2015-10-29T16:24:13 < Ecco> Like ~1mm
2015-10-29T16:24:14 < Ecco> ?
2015-10-29T16:24:26 < Ecco> s/possible/reasonable
2015-10-29T16:24:38 < emeryth> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PEB-3-7v-rechargeable-ultra-thin-battery-super-thin-li-ion-battery-ultra-thin-lipo-battery/32442891197.html
2015-10-29T16:24:52 < mtbg> maybe ipod shuffle replacement cell
2015-10-29T16:25:05 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-29T16:25:09 < Ecco> Also, I'm on a very tight budget
2015-10-29T16:25:16 < dongs> so wait
2015-10-29T16:25:22 < dongs> you have rquirements
2015-10-29T16:25:24 < dongs> AND you're a jew?
2015-10-29T16:25:27 < Ecco> :-D
2015-10-29T16:25:28 < dongs> it only works one way
2015-10-29T16:25:32 < dongs> you can't have both
2015-10-29T16:25:36 < dongs> you can either be a jew, or have specific requirements
2015-10-29T16:25:46 < dongs> emeryth: nice find
2015-10-29T16:26:03 < dongs> Dimension(L*W*H)
2015-10-29T16:26:03 < dongs> 1.0*44*61mm
2015-10-29T16:26:04 < dongs> cool
2015-10-29T16:26:13 < Ecco> Yeah that's very neat
2015-10-29T16:26:17 < dongs> pretty crap capacity, but still already better than coin cell
2015-10-29T16:26:21 < Ecco> I'll send these guys a request
2015-10-29T16:26:31 < Ecco> Yeah, and CR2032 is 3.2mm thick
2015-10-29T16:26:43 < dongs> oh hm, 2032 is ~200mah
2015-10-29T16:26:47 < dongs> according to kikepedia
2015-10-29T16:26:57 < dongs> depends on manufacturing type
2015-10-29T16:27:00 < Ecco> indeed
2015-10-29T16:27:04 < Tectu> lowest 2032 I  used was 185 mA
2015-10-29T16:27:14 < Ecco> That's what Energizer say in their doc
2015-10-29T16:27:32 < emeryth> just search for "thin lipo" on ali, there's more
2015-10-29T16:29:16 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-29T16:29:32 < Ecco> Do you guys how much this would reasonably cost in volume?
2015-10-29T16:29:45 < Ecco> (like the one you linked emeryth, it would be perfect for me)
2015-10-29T16:29:46 < emeryth> ask on alibaba
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2015-10-29T16:32:09 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/PerfectRingedCaterpillar that nigga is gone
2015-10-29T16:40:02 < Tectu> dongs, what is the current status on zano?
2015-10-29T16:40:17 < dongs> filing for bankruptcy
2015-10-29T16:40:26 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-10-29T16:40:38 < Tectu> seriously?
2015-10-29T16:41:06 < dongs> according to a totally legit facebook post
2015-10-29T16:44:24 < Tectu> so let´s see what the next kickstarter scam will be
2015-10-29T16:44:53 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/10/28/creepy-van-parked-down-the-street-is-a-nomadic-sauna/#comments
2015-10-29T16:44:55 < Tectu> dongs, the callstack + local crap in keil... does that actually show the call stack (which function called which) or is it just parameter crap?
2015-10-29T16:48:31 < CipherWizard> https://test-git.novatech-llc.com/ is ready to be checked. it's IP is 172.16.64.102
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2015-10-29T16:51:44 < dongs> well
2015-10-29T16:51:46 < dongs> fucking nigger
2015-10-29T16:51:51 < dongs> stick around for answer
2015-10-29T16:53:04 < dongs> GD32 clonez landed @ zeptobars pobox today
2015-10-29T16:53:11 < dongs> lets see how long to tweet
2015-10-29T16:54:09 < scrts> dongs: on twitter?
2015-10-29T16:54:19 < dongs> no, i shipped him some
2015-10-29T16:54:25 < dongs> and some L88G atmega clonez
2015-10-29T16:56:01 < scrts> atmega...?
2015-10-29T16:56:05 < dongs> y
2015-10-29T16:56:06 < scrts> you use atmega? :----D
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2015-10-29T16:56:20 < dongs> nope
2015-10-29T16:56:30 < scrts> oh thanks god
2015-10-29T16:57:12 < dongs> LGT8F88A or whatever
2015-10-29T16:57:26 < dongs> its stillcurious to compare wat it looks like vs realatmega
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2015-10-29T17:52:13 < englishman> iirc thats the atmega8 clone thats better than the real atmega8
2015-10-29T17:52:23 < dongs> attn Steffann_ https://kaliber.net/inventors/my-first-kickstarter
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2015-10-29T17:52:31 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-29T17:52:36 < dongs> i was jsut checking if its avilable in qfn
2015-10-29T17:52:40 < dongs> for some esc innovation
2015-10-29T17:52:42 < dongs> but looks like not
2015-10-29T17:52:50 < dongs> and now im really off to sleep
2015-10-29T17:52:56 < dongs> Steffanx: ^ rather
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2015-10-29T17:53:34 < dongs> Tectu: its a proper stack trace. you can go up/down it and see stuff.
2015-10-29T17:53:36 < dongs> works for me(tm)
2015-10-29T17:53:39 < dongs> bedtime
2015-10-29T17:53:59 < Tectu> dongs, thanks
2015-10-29T17:54:02 < Steffann_> Heh dongs
2015-10-29T17:54:13 < Tectu> µVision 5 for the win
2015-10-29T17:54:14 < Steffann_> All you have to say is: told you so
2015-10-29T18:03:22 < Laurenceb> lol  http://www.gigadevice.com/product-search.html?is_mcu=1
2015-10-29T18:03:29 < Laurenceb> they stole the St webshite
2015-10-29T18:04:13 < ReadError> englishman, i believe its the 88 clone
2015-10-29T18:04:24 < Laurenceb> cant find it on their site
2015-10-29T18:05:16 < ReadError> simon pointed out theres no protection fuses (read)
2015-10-29T18:06:35 < Tectu> Laurenceb, they even stole the slowlyness
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2015-10-29T18:16:45 < englishman> well Simon-- it doesnt have fuse lock bits but a totally different system to prevent execution/readout
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2015-10-29T18:23:54 < Simon--> I did? I don't remember this ;)
2015-10-29T18:26:08 < Simon--> I'm sure they're like "we cranked it to 40MHz and it worked so we're shipping it at 32MHz"
2015-10-29T18:26:55 < ReadError> oh hm i thought you found the fuse thing in the datasheet
2015-10-29T18:30:34 < Simon--> I think I did note that but I don't recall that being enough to complain.. it's not like I care about locking against read
2015-10-29T18:31:31 < ReadError> ya i guess if someone is trying to protect their firmware they wouldnt be using them anyways
2015-10-29T18:42:04 < Laurenceb> where is this avr clone on gigadevice site?
2015-10-29T18:43:28 < ReadError> its like on greenleaf
2015-10-29T18:43:30 < ReadError> or something
2015-10-29T18:44:14 < ReadError> ahh mcugreen.com
2015-10-29T18:44:19 < ReadError> http://www.mcugreen.com/?page_id=5267&lang=en
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2015-10-29T21:00:56 < Ecco> Are LiPo batteries risky?
2015-10-29T21:01:10 < Ecco> For a consumer electronics device that will draw very little current
2015-10-29T21:01:17 < Ecco> is there a significant risk that the batteries will explode?
2015-10-29T21:03:57 < Ecco> Also, what would be the cheapest way to charge a single cell LiPo battery over USB?
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2015-10-29T21:07:29 < englishman> TP4056 or friends work fine
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2015-10-29T21:07:54 < englishman> theres more complicated shit like BQ24075
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2015-10-29T21:11:26 < BrainDamage> use a charge controller and you'll be fine
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2015-10-29T21:14:43 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/rE0Vsjn.gifv
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2015-10-29T21:21:19 < Rob235> ahh I've been waiting for a usb -> serial adapter to read debug info and just found out about semihosting and printf redirection.  that makes life easier
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2015-10-29T21:29:12 < Steffanx> Nice hello kitty cushion you have there BrainDamage
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2015-10-29T21:33:00 < Lux> Ecco: and bats with integrated protection electronics will help too
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2015-10-29T21:34:16 < Lux> but i think those are mostly li-ion
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2015-10-29T21:45:57 < Ecco> allright
2015-10-29T21:46:13 < Ecco> I was reading about  MCP73831
2015-10-29T21:47:25 < Ecco> I can't find TP4056 on Mouser :(
2015-10-29T21:47:44 < Ecco> Woah BQ24075 is expensive!
2015-10-29T21:48:01 < Ecco> Neither on Farnell
2015-10-29T21:48:06 < Ecco> What the hell is this TP4056?
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2015-10-29T22:12:38 < Lux> chinese stuff
2015-10-29T22:12:40 < Lux> http://de.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=TP4056&catId=&initiative_id=SB_20151029121223
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2015-10-29T22:45:40 < Ecco> oh ok
2015-10-29T22:45:44 < Ecco> Indeed, it must be cheak
2015-10-29T22:45:45 < Ecco> cheap
2015-10-29T22:46:39 < Ecco> Datasheet (https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Prototyping/TP4056.pdf) says it's for Li-ion though
2015-10-29T22:55:38 < Lux> doesn't matter as long as the charge voltages are the same
2015-10-29T22:56:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-10-29T22:56:42 < Lux> + if you only need very little current i'd use some li-ion cell like the ones used in cellphones
2015-10-29T22:56:55 < Ecco> why?
2015-10-29T22:57:03 < Ecco> Can li-ion be made very thin?
2015-10-29T22:57:20 < Ecco> and also, aren't li-po cheaper?
2015-10-29T22:57:37 < Lux> probably, but you never said what you want exactly ;)
2015-10-29T22:58:12 < Lux> and you get additional protection with thos bats
2015-10-29T22:58:27 < qyx> a lesson learned
2015-10-29T22:58:35 < qyx> 45V npn transistor doesn't like 48V
2015-10-29T22:59:33 < Ecco> ok, so let me be clearer. My current design uses CR2032. They do the job, but are 1/ A bit too thick 2/ Non-rechargeable. BUT, being user-placeable, I could theoretically NOT ship one and let the end user supply one.
2015-10-29T23:00:39 < Ecco> I'm considering using a rechargeable lithium battery. I would like to to be very cheap (anything above $1 (in large volumes) will be a no-go), and as thin as possible. I don't mind so much about capacity as long as it's over 100mAh. I'll be drawing little current (<2mA).
2015-10-29T23:01:06 < Lux> you can also get rechargable cr2032 batteries
2015-10-29T23:01:34 < Ecco> Oh, interesting. Wouldn't really solve my first issue (too thick).
2015-10-29T23:02:24 < Lux> good luck finding that
2015-10-29T23:02:46 < Ecco> why?
2015-10-29T23:02:50 < Ecco> It's gonna be expensive?
2015-10-29T23:03:20 < Lux> dunno, i just doubt you'll find that in the avg market
2015-10-29T23:03:27 < Ecco> I see
2015-10-29T23:03:36 < Lux> but for large quantities i bet you can get something custom made
2015-10-29T23:03:40 < Ecco> I sent mails to a couple battery manufacturers in Shenezhen
2015-10-29T23:03:51 < Ecco> I'll see what they reply (and keep you guys posted if you're interested)
2015-10-29T23:04:08 < Ecco> Some had stuff off-the-shelf that was a close match though
2015-10-29T23:04:40 < Ecco> http://www.grepow.com/en/technical.asp?id=13
2015-10-29T23:04:46 < Ecco> No idea of the price though
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2015-10-29T23:18:18 < mitrax> Ecco: what is it for? (if i may ask)
2015-10-29T23:18:26 < Ecco> well
2015-10-29T23:18:31 < Ecco> ok
2015-10-29T23:20:09 < Ecco> guess :-)
2015-10-29T23:20:52 < zyp> super revolutionary smartwatch
2015-10-29T23:20:57 < Ecco> no
2015-10-29T23:21:01 < Ecco> nothing revolutionary at all
2015-10-29T23:21:09 < Ecco> It's actually the complete opposite
2015-10-29T23:21:46 < mitrax> an old tech device revisited?
2015-10-29T23:21:54 < Ecco> exactly
2015-10-29T23:21:58 < mitrax> aha!
2015-10-29T23:22:10 < mitrax> sounds interesting
2015-10-29T23:22:24 < Ecco> Well, I think you've guessed
2015-10-29T23:22:40 < mitrax> nope :)
2015-10-29T23:22:47 < Ecco> oh, ok :)
2015-10-29T23:23:05 < mitrax> i'm shooting in the dark here
2015-10-29T23:24:53 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/wzjen6p.jpg
2015-10-29T23:25:06 < mitrax> oooooh
2015-10-29T23:25:30 < Ecco> :)
2015-10-29T23:25:30 < mitrax> neat
2015-10-29T23:25:34 < Ecco> thanks :)
2015-10-29T23:30:10 < mitrax> DAS CALCULATOR
2015-10-29T23:30:21 < Ecco> Yeah, it's way too thick
2015-10-29T23:30:33 < Ecco> that's why I'm looking for a thin battery
2015-10-29T23:31:22 < mitrax> oh i just said that cause of the label-less keys in that rendering :)
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2015-10-29T23:31:34 < mitrax> it reminds of my keyboard (a 'Das keyboard')
2015-10-29T23:32:02 < Ecco> ooh yeah I've seen this one
2015-10-29T23:32:16 < Ecco> Yeah I still haven't decided about the silkscreen
2015-10-29T23:33:07 < mitrax> what size will it be?
2015-10-29T23:33:16 < mitrax> LxW
2015-10-29T23:33:30 < Ecco> small
2015-10-29T23:33:34 < Ecco> 140x75
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2015-10-29T23:59:17 < Tectu> so mitrax was quite sure that those are renderings...
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2015-10-30T00:04:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfo1xcnLV7E we need faster roads
2015-10-30T00:05:25 < kakimir> where only vehicles with superlative names are allowed
2015-10-30T00:06:18 < kakimir> where you only take your fastest the most brutal shiet to take your 300mph commute
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2015-10-30T00:32:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRT0e3MavGs thats ok size
2015-10-30T00:34:58 < Tectu> ´´bike´´
2015-10-30T00:36:23 < kakimir> it proparbly has.. 2 main wheels?
2015-10-30T00:36:50 < kakimir> auxlary wheels for take-off and landing maybe
2015-10-30T00:37:15 < Tectu> landing -.-
2015-10-30T00:37:19 < Tectu> it´s a freaking bike
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2015-10-30T00:48:25 < kakimir> how you like that eurosub?
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2015-10-30T02:24:46 < karlp> mitrax: have I asked you how you like your das keyboard? whihc version do you have?
2015-10-30T02:25:28 < dongs> sup zanos
2015-10-30T02:28:34 < karlp> fuck all
2015-10-30T02:28:45 < kakimir> das dongs
2015-10-30T02:28:50 < karlp> drinking "old reliable horse" and watching kakimir's submarine videos
2015-10-30T02:29:06 < kakimir> give me booze
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2015-10-30T02:29:45 < dongs> What makes anyone think they can EVER make it work? Promises have been made regarding features, shipping dates, increased communication & none of them have been kept. It's been nearly a year & this thing barely even flies! Wait another year for what? In one year there will be cheaper, smaller and fully functioning camera drones flooding the market.
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2015-10-30T02:32:25 < kakimir> they want to feel your hurt
2015-10-30T02:36:50 < oz4ga> as a zano of cause
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2015-10-30T02:42:05 < kakimir> what to do R2COM ?
2015-10-30T02:42:19 < kakimir> exclude sleep
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2015-10-30T02:46:47 < kakimir> maybe just that
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2015-10-30T03:48:37 < dongs> smoothiecloner pal is having trouble wiht i2c0
2015-10-30T03:48:42 < dongs> fucking NXP garbage holy shit
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2015-10-30T04:19:03 < dongs> lol, it was fuckign cable fail
2015-10-30T04:19:04 < dongs> gj
2015-10-30T04:19:11 < dongs> whats everyone's favorite I2C buffer
2015-10-30T04:29:05 < dongs> With a rich heritage in electronics, robotics and software development, Torquing Group can trace it's origins back to 1990, In Australia, when the company first formed, simply trading as Torquing. Due to greater growth opportunities, operations were relocated to the UK in 2007.
2015-10-30T04:29:09 < dongs> With a 25 year history specialising in technology, robotics, electronics, engineering and programming
2015-10-30T04:32:48 < emeb_mac> dongs: ever heard of uAvionix?
2015-10-30T04:33:20 < zyp> dongs, that shit I used on the workpcb you assembled for me last year
2015-10-30T04:33:37 < zyp> that board with the weird bottom entry connectors, it had an I2C buffer
2015-10-30T04:34:33 < dongs> emeb_mac: noe
2015-10-30T04:34:38 < dongs> zyp: ah hm, i recall that
2015-10-30T04:34:40 < dongs> sop8 or something?
2015-10-30T04:34:44 < dongs> wat was the part#
2015-10-30T04:34:57 < zyp> dunno, I'm looking for the project files
2015-10-30T04:35:05 < dongs> ll-del?
2015-10-30T04:35:22 < zyp> no, iobreakout
2015-10-30T04:35:26 < zyp> PCA9517ADP
2015-10-30T04:35:27 < dongs> found
2015-10-30T04:36:22 < zyp> apparently it's available in HWSON8 if TSSOP8 is too big :p
2015-10-30T04:37:41 < dongs> you just ran it off 3.3V on both sides to buffer right
2015-10-30T04:38:37 < zyp> yeah, I had a pad for powering external pad separately, but a zero-ohm between the supplies for normal use
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2015-10-30T04:58:07 < dongs> is tehre sucnh thing as 1:2 buffer that isnt retarded expensive clcok/lvds thing
2015-10-30T04:58:43 < zyp> you mean fanning out to two lines?
2015-10-30T04:58:50 < dongs> yeah
2015-10-30T04:58:56 < zyp> can't you just use two 1:1 buffers in parallel?
2015-10-30T04:58:57 < dongs> but not just by makign 2 traces on pcb
2015-10-30T04:59:02 < dongs> i guess, but thats annoying
2015-10-30T04:59:09 < dongs> im using 4bit stuff already
2015-10-30T04:59:15 < dongs> i'd have to use like half of one
2015-10-30T04:59:21 < dongs> probly still cheaper than a retarded clockting
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2015-10-30T05:00:40 < zyp> how many lines do you need?
2015-10-30T05:03:33 < dongs> just 2
2015-10-30T05:03:39 < dongs> its ok, illjust reuse 4bit buffer
2015-10-30T05:03:46 < dongs> there's already several of them on teh board
2015-10-30T05:03:51 < dongs> no need adding another bom item
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2015-10-30T05:10:18 < ReadError> http://www.twitch.tv/bobross
2015-10-30T05:11:06 < dongs> 50
2015-10-30T05:11:08 < dongs> k
2015-10-30T05:11:10 < dongs> viewers
2015-10-30T05:11:12 < dongs> what
2015-10-30T05:11:12 < dongs> the
2015-10-30T05:11:15 < dongs> fuck
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2015-10-30T05:15:52 < ReadError> this is way more soothing than timecop plays altium designer
2015-10-30T05:17:05 < dongs> sorry,  i closed that shit long tiem ago
2015-10-30T05:17:08 < dongs> it wasnt evne loading anyway.
2015-10-30T05:18:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ENIb2gQ.png lol
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2015-10-30T05:26:33 < dongs> is paypal fucked for anyone else
2015-10-30T05:27:22 < ReadError> yes
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2015-10-30T05:31:12 < dongs> going to mainpage just shows last action cannot be completed shit?
2015-10-30T05:31:38 < dongs> https://twitter.com/PayPal/status/659927440974725121
2015-10-30T05:31:40 < dongs> k its official
2015-10-30T05:38:49 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://i.imgur.com/YHdmZTP.jpg
2015-10-30T05:45:47 < dongs> old
2015-10-30T05:47:08 < upgrdman> smart kids  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URAcnkXH5Q0
2015-10-30T05:47:43 < dongs> that delayed reaction is awesome
2015-10-30T05:51:50 < upgrdman> good hit on a quad  http://i.imgur.com/yKkpMZd.gifv
2015-10-30T05:52:01 < dongs> old
2015-10-30T05:52:08 < dongs> alreadyt linked this this morning
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2015-10-30T06:05:23 < emeb_mac> the most boring memorial in .jp https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSiPM0LUAAA5J7y.jpg
2015-10-30T06:06:39 < dongs> got open103r here
2015-10-30T06:06:44 < dongs> comes with usb cable, PL2303 usb>serial
2015-10-30T06:06:47 < dongs> such neat
2015-10-30T06:07:03 < dongs> and you can plugin 3.2" parallel LCD into it
2015-10-30T06:08:01 < emeb_mac> so very blue & yellow
2015-10-30T06:08:45 < dongs> yes
2015-10-30T06:08:48 < dongs> and NON-ROHS
2015-10-30T06:08:53 < dongs> i had some jappu customers refuse to buy
2015-10-30T06:08:59 < dongs> cuz all waveshare shit is leaded
2015-10-30T06:09:06 < emeb_mac> racists
2015-10-30T06:09:09 < dongs> totally
2015-10-30T06:09:17 < dongs> should send them to germany for re-education
2015-10-30T06:09:33 < dongs> theer's also a 4 position joystick on there
2015-10-30T06:09:57 < emeb_mac> little tiny SMD one?
2015-10-30T06:09:57 < upgrdman> dongs, any idea if this is real? i didnt know any adapters were made that can do 4k60   http://www.uptab.com/minidisplayport-thunderbolt-to-hdmi-4kat60hz-adapter-cable-gold-plated.html
2015-10-30T06:12:45 < dongs> upgrdman: hm
2015-10-30T06:12:51 < dongs> its doable on HDMI 2.0
2015-10-30T06:12:58 < dongs> or as 420 on HDMI1
2015-10-30T06:13:28 < dongs> if its active, it could be using that new megachips dp>hdmi2 thing
2015-10-30T06:13:31 < upgrdman> 4:2:0 is half res for color right? so 4k for grayscale part, and 1080 for the color part?
2015-10-30T06:13:35 < dongs> y
2015-10-30T06:14:13 < zyp> I never got how those numbers were supposed to work
2015-10-30T06:15:39 < zyp> but IIRC 4:2:0 is same as YV12, which is one pair of Cr/Cb values for 2x2 Y' values
2015-10-30T06:16:46 < zyp> hmm, or I guess YV12 is specifically 12bpp (average), but 4:2:0 might cover shit like 10bit as well? idk
2015-10-30T06:17:35 < dongs> no
2015-10-30T06:17:45 < dongs> its literally 12bit *per pixel*
2015-10-30T06:17:50 < dongs> vs 24bit
2015-10-30T06:17:53 < dongs> not average
2015-10-30T06:18:26 < zyp> uh, YV12 is average
2015-10-30T06:18:41 < dongs> only if youre anal enough about the planes
2015-10-30T06:19:18 < zyp> all components are 8bit, but Cr/Cb is subsampled, which makes them average out to 2bpp each
2015-10-30T06:19:53 < dongs> shruggin
2015-10-30T06:19:56 < dongs> anyway, that cable is i duno
2015-10-30T06:20:00 < dongs> they're not telling THE TRUTH
2015-10-30T06:20:16 < dongs> http://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.php
2015-10-30T06:20:24 < dongs> this is the new converter chip
2015-10-30T06:20:27 < dongs> google used it in something
2015-10-30T06:20:33 < dongs> and its probly making its way into active cables
2015-10-30T06:21:19 < zyp> «Note: This adapter is NOT compatible with USB port on your computer.»
2015-10-30T06:22:07 < zyp> but, uh, isn't the port DP+?
2015-10-30T06:22:32 < zyp> or rather, the port _is_ DP+
2015-10-30T06:22:42 < zyp> so the adapter doesn't need to convert from DP to HDMI
2015-10-30T06:23:11 < zyp> at most it needs to convert from DP levels to TMDS levels or something, but the signal should already be TMDS
2015-10-30T06:24:05 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Dual-mode
2015-10-30T06:26:02 < zyp> or maybe levels already were compatible, idk
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2015-10-30T06:28:24 < dongs> cable that converts dp+ to tdms isnt $90
2015-10-30T06:28:44 < dongs> dp+ still can't do HDMI2.0 @60hz
2015-10-30T06:29:52 < zyp> «In September 2014, DisplayPort 1.3 specification was released, which includes mandatory Dual-mode support for HDMI 2.0 protocol, allowing 14.4 Gbit/s of bandwidth and 600 MHz pixel clock.»
2015-10-30T06:29:57 < zyp> been doing it for a year
2015-10-30T06:30:47 < dongs> yeah nobody does 1.3 bro
2015-10-30T06:31:07 < zyp> might be, but the spec exists :)
2015-10-30T06:33:34 < dongs> also lol @ hdmi2.0
2015-10-30T06:33:37 < dongs> still only 14gbit
2015-10-30T06:33:42 < dongs> displayport was doing 20gbit in 1.2
2015-10-30T06:33:52 < dongs> whats the 1.3 bandwidth now? 30gb?
2015-10-30T06:34:34 < dongs> The bandwidth of DisplayPort 1.3 is said to reach 8.1 Gbps per channel or 32.4 Gbps in total.
2015-10-30T06:34:37 < dongs> ownt
2015-10-30T06:34:56 < dongs> why dont hdmi people just EAT SHIT
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2015-10-30T06:42:33 < upgrdman> i only want hdmi2.0 adapter because of my 4k tv
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2015-10-30T06:42:48 < upgrdman> and ya, why the fuck cant tv's have dp inputs
2015-10-30T06:43:09 < dongs> wut
2015-10-30T06:43:32 < upgrdman> ?
2015-10-30T06:44:06 < upgrdman> i wanna be super lazy 'murican and use my 55" 4k tv as a monitor sometimes
2015-10-30T06:44:34 < upgrdman> 55" 4k also makes windows' shitty high dpi support tolerable, since it's no longer high dpi
2015-10-30T06:52:28 < jubatus> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qY6Vm40kjo
2015-10-30T06:54:18 < dongs> any particular timestamp i shoudl care about
2015-10-30T06:54:23 < dongs> i dont have 11 minutes to watch isis video
2015-10-30T06:55:45 < jubatus> its all good!
2015-10-30T06:56:05 < dongs> not unless he blows himself up
2015-10-30T06:56:13 < upgrdman> stm32 support jtag right? any reason to use jtag over swd? i assume you can NOT debug via jtag?
2015-10-30T06:56:20 < jubatus> you will need these skillz when civilization collapses due to global stock market crash
2015-10-30T06:56:30 < dongs> upgrdman: of course you can
2015-10-30T06:56:43 < dongs> i guess if you hve several chips and you wanna be able to get to them all through one connector
2015-10-30T06:56:46 < dongs> you'd use jtag
2015-10-30T06:56:52 < upgrdman> ok
2015-10-30T06:57:04 < upgrdman> so you can do everything swd can, via jtag, with stm32?
2015-10-30T06:57:05 < jubatus> is there anything you can do with swd that can't be done with jtag ?
2015-10-30T06:57:15 < jubatus> I aksed first!
2015-10-30T06:57:24 < upgrdman> choke on a dick
2015-10-30T06:57:25 < dongs> multi chip stuff, tho there's some SWD extension for that
2015-10-30T06:57:31 < dongs> i duno if ST supports it
2015-10-30T06:57:43 < dongs> zyp knows cuz i heard him talk about it
2015-10-30T06:57:51 < jubatus> swd is 100% arm, or are there ST extensions ?
2015-10-30T06:58:06 < dongs> arm
2015-10-30T06:58:23 < dongs> http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/25872.php
2015-10-30T06:58:37 < dongs> "multi-drop SWD"
2015-10-30T06:58:51 < zyp> I haven't seen any chip actually support it so far
2015-10-30T06:59:02 < zyp> I think it's optional
2015-10-30T07:00:01 < zyp> oh, and I believe there's a boundary scan device on the jtag chain in addition to the debugging port
2015-10-30T07:00:38 < jubatus> jtag is boundary scan
2015-10-30T07:00:51 < jubatus> ?
2015-10-30T07:01:14 < dongs> boner scan
2015-10-30T07:01:15 < zyp> boundary scan is shit to test the io lines
2015-10-30T07:01:40 < upgrdman> boneriffic
2015-10-30T07:01:43 < zyp> usually for automated QC
2015-10-30T07:02:02 < jubatus> which means the I/Os must be so much more complicated than they show in the datasheet
2015-10-30T07:02:16 < zyp> idk
2015-10-30T07:02:29 < jubatus> jtag can take over a port and independently set that pin high/low independent of what your code is doing
2015-10-30T07:02:30 < jubatus> right ?
2015-10-30T07:02:40 < zyp> idk what that core even supports, never looked into it apart from acknowledging that it exists
2015-10-30T07:02:50 < zyp> jubatus, that's what boundary scan is
2015-10-30T07:03:32 < jubatus> do they use it in the fab ? for testing the die as it comes off the line ?
2015-10-30T07:03:52 < jubatus> I guess it would be too slow for that
2015-10-30T07:04:17 < zyp> nah, boundary scan is meant for assembly houses, testing the connections between chips after boards are assembled
2015-10-30T07:04:43 < zyp> that's why jtag is chained in the first place, it's so you can have all the chips on the board on a single chain
2015-10-30T07:04:51 < zyp> and cross test the connections between them
2015-10-30T07:05:07 < zyp> that was the original purpose of jtag
2015-10-30T07:05:53 < zyp> not very useful for what we're doing
2015-10-30T07:06:18 < zyp> you might as well use the cpu itself to exercise IOs, just flash a special test firmware or something
2015-10-30T07:17:29 < ds2> don't think boundary scan works in SWD
2015-10-30T07:33:30 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/german-isis-rapper-killed-denis-cuspert/
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2015-10-30T07:52:55 < zyp> ds2, that's why we're discussing it
2015-10-30T07:53:23 < zyp> somebody asked what you can do over jtag that you can't do over swd
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2015-10-30T10:00:20 < ReadError> http://des.gearbest.com/uploads/2015/201506/heditor/201506131713333182.jpg
2015-10-30T10:01:34 < ReadError> it said DOOGEE Smartphone in email so I had to click ;/
2015-10-30T10:11:18 < Sync> the most worth, are they even allowed to advertise like that anymore
2015-10-30T10:15:09 < emeryth> are you asking if a chinese company is allowed to do something?
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2015-10-30T10:21:21 < Sync> emeryth: yes, they get #rekt if they advertise with superlatives
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2015-10-30T10:23:36 < emeryth> huh, I thought that the rules in china are "do what you want, buyer beware"
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2015-10-30T10:30:21 < BlackFox> Hi, I'm seeing bizzareness with UID of STM32F4
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2015-10-30T10:30:56 < BlackFox> I've got four boards with exactly same value of UID register - if read right after boot (in bootloader). But reading it after a lot of stuff loads up reveals a different value
2015-10-30T10:31:13 < BlackFox> This is only characteristic of these boards with same UID's - all other boards having different UID's have UID matching regardless of when it is read
2015-10-30T10:32:45 < BlackFox> The value read from actual program and not the bootloader gives a slightly unique value - different in one-two bits amongst four boards
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2015-10-30T10:48:36 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/cB7mMLI.png
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2015-10-30T10:58:58 < BlackFox> All of them initially identify as wafer 0D S/N G243621, same X and Y
2015-10-30T10:59:36 < BlackFox> After the stuff boots, they identify themselves as wafer 0B (or 0C), same S/N -Q402856 and different X, Y for each
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2015-10-30T11:06:42 < BlackFox> this has been slightly odd and freaky
2015-10-30T11:07:18 < BlackFox> with UID register value changing being the freakiest thing
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2015-10-30T12:11:20 < dongs> sup innovators
2015-10-30T12:12:13 < Roklobsta> what's zano up to this week?
2015-10-30T12:12:56 < dongs> < sourcerer> sebboh: EVT: Engineering Validation Test, DVT: Design Validation Test, PVT: Production Validation Test
2015-10-30T12:12:59 < dongs> < dongs> LGBT: Lunix Gay Blogging Test
2015-10-30T12:13:00 < dongs> Roklobsta: just wat i tweeted
2015-10-30T12:13:08 < dongs> since forum has been down, amount of stupid from ivan has decreased
2015-10-30T12:13:19 < dongs> tho he's got a thread there in the new unofficial forums
2015-10-30T12:13:34 < Roklobsta> more dog ate his homework?
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2015-10-30T12:21:38 < mtbg> hi
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2015-10-30T12:30:07 < Steffann_> Lo
2015-10-30T12:44:31 < Tectu> dongs, do you have some ulink or jlink?
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2015-10-30T13:02:47 < ReadError> dongs does your PNP do upward vision?
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2015-10-30T13:07:19 < dongs> yes..
2015-10-30T13:07:24 < dongs> Tectu: i have both
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2015-10-30T13:10:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RnTQ5RQ.png
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2015-10-30T13:13:05 < Tectu> dongs, is it worth the monies?
2015-10-30T13:13:14 < dongs> jlink has been pissing me off lately
2015-10-30T13:13:18 < dongs> its crashing stuff
2015-10-30T13:13:21 < dongs> so i went back to ulink
2015-10-30T13:13:26 < dongs> at some point i remember ulink was fucking up
2015-10-30T13:13:30 < dongs> so it helps to use both ;p
2015-10-30T13:14:31 < Tectu> I am not sure whether I want to get a uLink-ME or a JLink-EDU
2015-10-30T13:14:40 < dongs> you can get -ME for cheap wiht some evalboard
2015-10-30T13:14:45 < Tectu> uLink-ME seems nice because both headers
2015-10-30T13:14:59 < Tectu> it is like 70 USD retail
2015-10-30T13:15:00 < dongs> andor standalone from soemone seling it
2015-10-30T13:15:02 < dongs> oh is it?
2015-10-30T13:15:06 < Tectu> yes
2015-10-30T13:15:06 < dongs> i didnt know it was sold separately.
2015-10-30T13:15:12 < dongs> its a freebie with keil evalboards usually.
2015-10-30T13:15:33 < dongs> i have -ME, i can recommend it.
2015-10-30T13:15:39 < Tectu> I don´t buy a 400.- eval board for a 70.- adapter :D
2015-10-30T13:15:45 < Tectu> glad to hear that, thanks
2015-10-30T13:15:47 < dongs> wel, you dont but others do
2015-10-30T13:15:55 < dongs> and then sell the ulikn on ebay for supercehap
2015-10-30T13:16:02 < Tectu> how are keil eval boards compared to ST ones?
2015-10-30T13:16:08 < Tectu> oh, nice strategy
2015-10-30T13:16:12 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Keil-Tools/ULINK-ME/?qs=wZhRP7rIthp866gL1cHzuQ%3D%3D
2015-10-30T13:16:17 < dongs> 48 at mouser
2015-10-30T13:16:21 < dongs> thats cheaper than jlink-edu
2015-10-30T13:16:24 < dongs> and less restrictions
2015-10-30T13:16:31 < Tectu> Restricted Availability
2015-10-30T13:16:39 < Tectu> jlink edu is 60 USD at segger shop
2015-10-30T13:16:42 < dongs> in what, you  cant order it to your shitty country?
2015-10-30T13:17:01 < Tectu> nop
2015-10-30T13:17:02 < tkoskine> I bought http://www.adafruit.com/products/2764 recently. Did not work at all with Windows 8.1 - haven't tried with Linux yet.
2015-10-30T13:17:19 < Tectu> dongs, jlink just seems to be so big n bulky
2015-10-30T13:17:26 < dongs> shrug
2015-10-30T13:17:43 < dongs> err tkoskine isnt it just USB HID
2015-10-30T13:17:46 < dongs> how the fuck could it not "work"
2015-10-30T13:17:46 < Tectu> dongs, uLink-ME is so small and tiny
2015-10-30T13:17:54 < dongs> ya so small  i duno where mine is
2015-10-30T13:17:58 < Tectu> haha
2015-10-30T13:17:58 < dongs> i have a general idea but I havent seen it for a while
2015-10-30T13:18:06 < dongs> i use the ulink2 thing thats same size as jlink
2015-10-30T13:18:12 < tkoskine> dongs: Yes, but Windows said that it could not recognize the device.
2015-10-30T13:18:20 < Tectu> ask Steffann_, I am very organized
2015-10-30T13:18:21 < Tectu> never lost stuff
2015-10-30T13:18:33 < Tectu> tkoskine, did thou install drivers?
2015-10-30T13:18:45 < Tectu> dongs, uLink crap only works with uVision, right?
2015-10-30T13:19:11 < tkoskine> Tectu: Nope, I was hoping that Windows does that automatically.
2015-10-30T13:19:21 < dongs> you can switch it to cmsis-dap mode and then it probably works wiht other shit but I dont care
2015-10-30T13:19:22 < Tectu> tkoskine, well get that done then
2015-10-30T13:19:32 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/ulink2/ulink2_boot_mode.htm
2015-10-30T13:19:32 < Tectu> dongs, the fuck is cmsis-dap
2015-10-30T13:19:48 < dongs> some vendor-independent shit
2015-10-30T13:19:52 < Tectu> ah
2015-10-30T13:19:55 < dongs> to stop fgts gouging $700 for debug probe
2015-10-30T13:19:59 < Tectu> dongs, did you pay 10k USD for Mr. keil license?
2015-10-30T13:20:16 < Tectu> dongs, the uLink Pro crap is like 1´200 USD
2015-10-30T13:20:24 < Tectu> when I remember correctly
2015-10-30T13:20:43 < dongs> non-pro wokrs fine
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2015-10-30T13:21:18 < Tectu> dongs, another thing I don´t like about jlink: It does not come with the small .05 header crap
2015-10-30T13:21:45 < ReadError> you can get the 5$ adapter board
2015-10-30T13:22:39 < Tectu> I have those
2015-10-30T13:22:43 < Tectu> like 1000 of those
2015-10-30T13:22:52 < Tectu> unnecessary overheard
2015-10-30T13:23:02 < Tectu> dongs, http://redacom.ch/products-page/keil-arm/ulink-me-debug-adapter/
2015-10-30T13:23:09 < ReadError> ive been using that tagconnect lately
2015-10-30T13:23:12 < ReadError> its pretty great
2015-10-30T13:23:13 < Tectu> dongs, is that like old version crap? image is different from the keil one
2015-10-30T13:23:21 < Tectu> afaik zyp does tagconnect too
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2015-10-30T13:23:45 < dongs> huh i duno. where's the .5mm pitch connector on that?
2015-10-30T13:23:47 < dongs> on the back?
2015-10-30T13:23:47 < Tectu> but I don´t do production nor low-profile crap so I don´t mind that .05 header
2015-10-30T13:23:54 < dongs> i reamlly dont remembver cuz i cant find mine
2015-10-30T13:23:54 < Tectu> dongs, that´s what I wanted to ask you.
2015-10-30T13:23:58 < Tectu> dongs, the descriptions says that it is there
2015-10-30T13:24:03 < dongs> thren its there
2015-10-30T13:24:26 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131610411806 holy shit FUCKING JEWS
2015-10-30T13:24:34 < Tectu> dongs, but it does not say v1 or v2 etc. But obviously that is a completely different board
2015-10-30T13:24:55 < Tectu> dongs, hah, see, in that e-bay listing the two pictures are different too
2015-10-30T13:25:14 < dongs> mine looks like the real pic
2015-10-30T13:25:25 < Tectu> with the golden edges?
2015-10-30T13:25:31 < dongs> yes
2015-10-30T13:25:41 < Tectu> why the fuck are those edges conductive?
2015-10-30T13:25:46 < Tectu> can´t be ESD crap, can it?
2015-10-30T13:25:55 < dongs> probly so you can hookup GND probe ends to them
2015-10-30T13:26:14 < Tectu> oh, neat
2015-10-30T13:26:19 < Tectu> odd, tho
2015-10-30T13:26:29 < dongs> i think thats wat i did, i don remember
2015-10-30T13:26:29 < karlp> shows someone's had some clues
2015-10-30T13:26:41 < karlp> it's the nice touches tthat are missed by first timers
2015-10-30T13:27:16 < Tectu> I´d prefer some serious test-clip loop thing instead
2015-10-30T13:27:33 < Tectu> having your crocodile on that board edge... They slip off easily
2015-10-30T13:27:58 < Tectu> dongs, on keil website:
2015-10-30T13:27:59 < Tectu> Note: ULINK-ME is only delivered and supported as part of Keil or OEM Starter Kits. It is not guaranteed to work with custom hardware.
2015-10-30T13:28:04 < Tectu> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/ulink
2015-10-30T13:29:28 < dongs> well, it worked with all my custom shit so shruggin
2015-10-30T13:30:37 < Tectu> maybe you´re doing it wrong
2015-10-30T13:32:29 < Ecco> o/
2015-10-30T13:32:53 < dongs> The calibration tool. Some of you have had success, some haven't. We are working on getting the last few bugs out of this. Release 56 of the firmware REQUIRES the use of the calibration tool and EVERYTIME you update your Zano firmware, you MUST use the calibration too. Notice the capitals. Changes in the firmware can affect how the accelerometer is treated and handled.
2015-10-30T13:32:58 < dongs> haha
2015-10-30T13:33:23 < Tectu> yo Ecco
2015-10-30T13:33:35 < Ecco> So I got a first quote for batteries
2015-10-30T13:33:50 < Ecco> 2.5mm thick, 210 mAh Li-Po : $.76
2015-10-30T13:34:05 < Tectu> uh? weren´t those listed for 15$ ?
2015-10-30T13:34:21 < qyx> wat
2015-10-30T13:34:31 < qyx> what dimensions?
2015-10-30T13:34:58 < dongs> http://zanoforum.com/download/file.php?id=35&sid=6477f3a7fa0ee0e0b4181de5f583d96e who teh fuck ships electronics like this
2015-10-30T13:35:04 < dongs> he says its 4 layers of shit
2015-10-30T13:35:07 < dongs> ??????????????
2015-10-30T13:35:18 < dongs> as in, there's 4 stacks of thos shitty zanos
2015-10-30T13:35:21 < Ecco> Yeah, but that's in volume (10K)
2015-10-30T13:35:24 < Tectu> WHAT???
2015-10-30T13:35:40 < Ecco> 30mm x 35mm (width, length)
2015-10-30T13:35:55 < Tectu> dongs, is that manufactuere -> zano or zano -> scammed customers?
2015-10-30T13:37:10 < dongs> some shitty UK manufacturer -> zano offices
2015-10-30T13:37:56 < Tectu> let´s blame Laurenceb
2015-10-30T13:38:08 < trepidacious> That looks like awful packing
2015-10-30T13:38:20 < Tectu> I wouldn´t even use the word packing here
2015-10-30T13:38:27 < trepidacious> box-into-flinging
2015-10-30T13:38:54 < Tectu> at least the term:  ready-to-fly-out-of-the-box   makes more sense here
2015-10-30T13:40:06 < trepidacious> Heh :) Except that half the arms are probably snapped off by then
2015-10-30T13:43:08 < ReadError> they are probably just sending a van over to pick them up
2015-10-30T13:47:25 < dongs> they should be sending a van allright
2015-10-30T13:47:30 < dongs> to pack all those fucking criminals up
2015-10-30T13:52:12 < Tectu> haha
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2015-10-30T14:14:11 < karlp> that doogee phone someone linked before, anyone actually used one of those shenzen special brand phones?
2015-10-30T14:15:10 < elektrinis> xiaomi ftw.
2015-10-30T14:15:34 < karlp> xiaomi do phones? I have one of their wifi routers
2015-10-30T14:15:47 < elektrinis> they do, and quite good ones.
2015-10-30T14:15:55 < elektrinis> I have Mi 4i
2015-10-30T14:16:27 < elektrinis> a little on slow side, but quality and stability much better than sonys ans samsungs I've used
2015-10-30T14:20:51 < emeryth> the worst thing about chinaphones is that you're stuck with the shitty chinese ROM that came with the phone
2015-10-30T14:21:04 < karlp> emeryth: that's my concern.
2015-10-30T14:21:04 < emeryth> unless you buy one that is very popular in the west
2015-10-30T14:21:21 < emeryth> like xiaomi
2015-10-30T14:27:35 < ReadError> their gopro clone is pretty decent for 60$ or w/e
2015-10-30T14:32:02 < Laurenceb> maybe it actually boots up too
2015-10-30T14:32:06 < emeryth> xiaomi makes the best cheap china stuff in general
2015-10-30T14:32:10 < Laurenceb> like more than 10% of the time
2015-10-30T14:32:22 < Laurenceb> gopro: giving lunix a bad name
2015-10-30T14:38:46  * mitrax loves his good old xiaomi M1S
2015-10-30T14:41:56 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/hwVECle
2015-10-30T14:45:03 < ReadError> Laurenceb I saw this pick earlier and though of you
2015-10-30T14:45:05 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/cB7mMLI.png
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2015-10-30T14:47:50 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-10-30T14:50:02 < Tectu> hahaha
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2015-10-30T15:28:52 < Laurenceb> ur mum http://www.epicfail.com/2015/10/29/i-know-a-juggalo-when-i-see-one/
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2015-10-30T15:32:33 < ReadError> thats prolly you in the other car, sounding super fabulous
2015-10-30T15:32:44 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-10-30T15:32:59 < Laurenceb> it was a bit queer
2015-10-30T15:33:16 < Tectu> dues that truck have fucking spikes on his front wheels?
2015-10-30T15:33:24 < Laurenceb> yes lol
2015-10-30T15:33:40 < Laurenceb> its time travelling Boudica
2015-10-30T15:35:13 < Tectu> is that shit even legal in the states?
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2015-10-30T18:45:45 < BlackFox> Hnnngh
2015-10-30T18:45:51 < BlackFox> What's this weirdness
2015-10-30T18:46:25 < BlackFox> I'm reading UID register on STM32F4, and I get different values depending on if I read early (when the bootloader runs) or later (when actual firmware runs)
2015-10-30T18:47:07 < BlackFox> In both cases it returns something that parses out as normal UID, except the 'early' values are same for four different processors
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2015-10-30T19:09:58 < Guest95299> My UART messages and baudrate looks messed up on my STM32F103C8T6
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2015-10-30T19:10:42 < BMWMPower> Are there C libraries for this board
2015-10-30T19:11:26 < BMWMPower> STM32F103C8T6
2015-10-30T19:12:18 < BMWMPower> I am using MikroC for ARM
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2015-10-30T19:23:32 < xata> Hello
2015-10-30T19:26:02 < xata> I am trying to run mt stm32f103vet6 on 72mhz, but looks like i am doing something wrong. Because simple code that should blink a damn lead one tenth of second (10Hz) blinks slower than one second (>1Hz). What am i doing wrong? http://pastie.org/10518537
2015-10-30T19:28:04 < zyp> where's the code that does the actual blinking?
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2015-10-30T19:28:39 < xata> zyp: Here is the delay line code. Debugging said that resulting nCount is 72e+5 so this should be 1/10 of second
2015-10-30T19:29:07 < zyp> here is where?
2015-10-30T19:29:42 < xata> zyp: oh. Well the blinker is here http://pastie.org/10518546 and delay is here http://pastie.org/10518539
2015-10-30T19:32:09 < zyp> so, uh, you're assuming that a single iteration of that loop takes a single cycle? how exactly do you imagine that to work?
2015-10-30T19:32:53 < xata> zyp: you mean for loop in delay or while loop for blinker?
2015-10-30T19:33:05 < zyp> the loop in delay
2015-10-30T19:34:31 < zyp> at a minimum, that loop fetches nCount from memory, compares nCount to 0, branches out of the loop if equal, fetches nCount from memory again (since it's volatile), adds one to nCount, stores nCount back, branches back to start of loop
2015-10-30T19:34:47 < zyp> how do you expect that to happen in a single cycle?
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2015-10-30T19:35:22 < xata> zyp: well, yes it is at least two cycles for breq and decrement
2015-10-30T19:35:38 < xata> hm
2015-10-30T19:35:46 < zyp> oh, i meant to say subtracts one
2015-10-30T19:35:56 < zyp> point still stands
2015-10-30T19:36:18 < zyp> and beside this, why do you even bother with a delay loop?
2015-10-30T19:36:24 < xata> Yes, but could it lead to >10 times slower than expected?
2015-10-30T19:36:46 < __rob2> xata, look at the dissassembly and you can see exactly how long it will take
2015-10-30T19:36:56 < xata> zyp: timers, i know. i just want a way to find out if PLL is actualy sysclk
2015-10-30T19:36:56 < __rob2> or use one of the timers
2015-10-30T19:37:08 < zyp> well, I listed at least 7 instructions, and you can expect each to take at least one cycle, easily more
2015-10-30T19:37:18 < zyp> __rob2, no, you can't see exactly how long it will take
2015-10-30T19:37:26 < __rob2> why not ?
2015-10-30T19:37:42 < zyp> because instruction timing is not deterministic in the first place
2015-10-30T19:37:52 < xata> ARM can *predict*, lel
2015-10-30T19:38:25 < Getty> Actually, while watching a windows installer who seems to do all the work at the "Finishing installation" step, i realize that windows does it like we do: we say we are 99% done right after we know what code we wanna write ;)
2015-10-30T19:39:19 < __rob2> zyp, beacuase of the cache?
2015-10-30T19:39:25 < zyp> remember that the flash is not fast enough to keep up, so just fetching instructions can take longer than it would take to execute
2015-10-30T19:39:31 < zyp> there's no cache on f1
2015-10-30T19:40:03 < zyp> but there is a pipeline
2015-10-30T19:42:09 < xata> zyp: maybe there is a way to check cycles amount with jlink? it can give me current cycles on halt, but meh. I could do 99 nops and toggling gpio via registers to get approx. 720000Hz, but my scope does not work in linux <_<
2015-10-30T19:42:53 < zyp> xata, sounds like a waste of time
2015-10-30T19:43:51 < zyp> xata, if you want to check that you changed to the PLL properly, why not just time the code running on default clock first (i.e. 8MHz), then compare the time of that to the time of it running on the PLL?
2015-10-30T19:44:10 < zyp> ideally it should be 9 times faster
2015-10-30T19:44:23 < zyp> and then it doesn't matter how long time the code itself takes
2015-10-30T19:45:01 < zyp> note that in practice you might see less than a 9 time speedup
2015-10-30T19:45:40 < zyp> at 8 MHz the flash is able to keep up much easily than at 72MHz, so you might get more delays due to waitstates at 72MHz
2015-10-30T19:46:44 < xata> zyp: oh! now i recall i tried setting RCC_PLLMul_2 instead of RCC_PLLMul_9 and it changed not a single thing
2015-10-30T19:47:12 < xata> zyp: but as i get it it should slow down even my bad delay line 4 times
2015-10-30T19:47:43 < xata> zyp: checked it now and it is true.
2015-10-30T19:48:42 < zyp> and you might as well use systick or something for this, since systick is derived from sysclock
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2015-10-30T19:57:11 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/67d969a0d07d.jpg
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2015-10-30T20:14:52 < xata> zyp: so i done it in another way and yes, now i can see the difference between pll settings. just for loop is very, very slow. looks like it takes up to 15 cycles
2015-10-30T20:15:10 < xata> zyp: thanks
2015-10-30T20:18:25 < zyp> uh, how is 15 cycles very very slow?
2015-10-30T20:20:32 < ReadError> you only have 72 million per second
2015-10-30T20:21:43 < zyp> are you even building with optimizations? the seven instructions I listed before is the minimum for that code
2015-10-30T20:22:20 < zyp> hmm, actually, you could get it down to 6 if you rearrange it to put the test after the decrement, so you don't have to branch out, just a conditional branch back
2015-10-30T20:24:30 < zyp> oh, and you can combine the test and the branch
2015-10-30T20:25:37 < zyp> ldr, sub, str, ldr, cbnz
2015-10-30T20:26:22 < xata> zyp: no, -Og
2015-10-30T20:26:42 < xata> because debug
2015-10-30T20:26:55 < zyp> -Og is with optimizations
2015-10-30T20:27:02 < zyp> also, heh
2015-10-30T20:27:15 < zyp> just a silly low level of optimizations
2015-10-30T20:27:34 < xata> Hm, well, eclipse said it is the best choice for debug configuration
2015-10-30T20:27:36 < zyp> anyway, how does the disassembly of that function look?
2015-10-30T20:27:48 < gxti> is -Og equivalent to -O -g?
2015-10-30T20:27:54 < zyp> not at all
2015-10-30T20:28:16 < gxti> oh, needed newer manpages. never mind
2015-10-30T20:28:27 < zyp> -Og is a low optimization level that turns off optimization steps that rearranges code and stuff
2015-10-30T20:28:34 < gxti> good to know
2015-10-30T20:29:06 < xata> zyp: i already wiped it out, and moving forward timers...
2015-10-30T20:29:14 < xata> sry
2015-10-30T20:29:51 < gxti> sucks when you can't fit your whole program into flash with -O0
2015-10-30T20:30:14 < zyp> you'd use -Og if you like debugging by clicking through source lines, because it makes each source line correspond to a consecutive set of instructions
2015-10-30T20:30:30 < gxti> yes, stepping through optimized code drives me nuts
2015-10-30T20:30:31 < xata> gxti: than you need moar flash
2015-10-30T20:30:49 < gxti> no u
2015-10-30T20:31:07 < xata> fleash
2015-10-30T20:31:27 < gxti> actually i think the last time that happened, i had more flash, but for some reason i put half the right amount into the linker script
2015-10-30T20:32:04 < zyp> haha
2015-10-30T20:32:15 < gxti> so i was stressing out about space for no reason
2015-10-30T20:32:20 < xata> i mean flesh, damn
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2015-10-30T23:10:53 < TheSeven> http://imgur.com/a/hyjNM :)
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2015-10-30T23:21:14 < Steffanx> it needs a prop.
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2015-10-30T23:27:36 < TheSeven> Steffanx: kinda what came into my mind when I plugged that together as well ;)
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2015-10-31T00:04:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZcUAPRRac
2015-10-31T00:12:33 < BlackFox> Do I need to do anything special to read the UID register
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2015-10-31T00:14:34 < BlackFox> Its value changes for me on some processors, and doesn't change on some others
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2015-10-31T00:24:33 < zyp> are you reading all three of them?
2015-10-31T00:25:17 < zyp> there's three words, and you need to hash them in some way, because they're not all unique
2015-10-31T00:26:13 < Laurenceb_> http://superbus.biz/
2015-10-31T00:26:20 < Laurenceb_> nanananananana... batman
2015-10-31T00:36:32 < BlackFox> zyp, yes
2015-10-31T00:36:47 < BlackFox> I'm reading all three words (I need their contents verbatim)
2015-10-31T00:37:00 < BlackFox> on four processors I have the UID reads as same value (!) in bootloader
2015-10-31T00:37:20 < BlackFox> the bootloader then loads some firmware - and reading UID in firmware reveals a DIFFERENT (and this time mostly unique) value
2015-10-31T00:37:57 < BlackFox> so reading same offset gives me different results based on whether I ask for it right after power on, or after bootloader does some things (I haven't yet checked entirely what operations it does that could possibly change the UID)
2015-10-31T00:38:46 < BlackFox> this is only characteristic of four processors, all others have same UID which reads the same everywhere, always
2015-10-31T00:39:43 < BlackFox> it annoys me to no end, because the inventory is based around UID that's read by bootloader, and that gives off same UID for four devices
2015-10-31T00:46:13 < zyp> which chip is this?
2015-10-31T00:47:20 < BlackFox> STM32F4
2015-10-31T00:47:48 < zyp> can you pastebin the code that reads out the UID?
2015-10-31T00:47:52 < BlackFox> Yes
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2015-10-31T00:49:02 < BlackFox> http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?u5nbeez2e8z4
2015-10-31T00:49:05 < BlackFox> That's the gist of it
2015-10-31T00:49:30 < BlackFox> It gives off correct and consistent results for most processors we have, except for a set of four
2015-10-31T00:49:57 < zyp> and you call it with 0, 4 and 8?
2015-10-31T00:50:07 < BlackFox> Yes
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2015-10-31T00:54:00 < BlackFox> zyp, the data in these three words is consistent with expected formatting, before and after it changes
2015-10-31T00:54:02 < BlackFox> which is baffling
2015-10-31T00:54:22 < BlackFox> it's probably some sort of a pirate copy of the processor
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2015-10-31T01:03:06 < kakimir> when can we have pirate cortex-m3
2015-10-31T01:03:24 < kakimir> for subdollar price
2015-10-31T01:03:38 < kakimir> think poor
2015-10-31T01:04:35 < kakimir> no but seriously there should be some cpu model cloned and pirated as hell to solid it's place
2015-10-31T01:04:59 < kakimir> 32bit micro
2015-10-31T01:07:56 < ds2> like a LEG Neo-W3?
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2015-10-31T01:10:35 < kakimir> sup biaz
2015-10-31T01:13:57 < kakimir> jebrew world control codes transmitted in sms network?
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2015-10-31T01:16:47 < kakimir> jesus my legit headphones after month of listening with plugs
2015-10-31T01:17:53 < kakimir> I thought I was becoming deaf because there was just midrange noise
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2015-10-31T01:22:50 < kakimir> ds2: .. what?
2015-10-31T01:23:44 < kakimir> there is nothing
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2015-10-31T01:40:27 < upgrdman> chrome sometimes offers to translate a page, but sometimes doesnt. any idea why?
2015-10-31T01:41:04 < kakimir> exceptions?
2015-10-31T01:41:17 < kakimir> language options?
2015-10-31T01:41:31 < kakimir> site metainfo saying it's english?
2015-10-31T01:41:42 < kakimir> etc.
2015-10-31T01:42:01 < upgrdman> oh. just realized i could right click on page and click translate. weird. wonder why chorm did do the auto bar "would you like to trans..." shut
2015-10-31T01:42:03 < upgrdman> shit*
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2015-10-31T01:43:08 < kakimir> to confuse
2015-10-31T01:43:11 < kakimir> and annoy
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2015-10-31T01:53:47 < kakimir> when there is stuff in buffer needs to be read
2015-10-31T01:54:13 < kakimir> what is good name for such function
2015-10-31T01:55:38 < jadew> a function that checks that?
2015-10-31T01:56:44 < kakimir> nope. there is stuff waiting. function to be called when there is stuff
2015-10-31T01:56:58 < jadew> onStuff()
2015-10-31T01:57:22 < kakimir> :P
2015-10-31T01:58:32 < kakimir> void smokeThat(stuff x)
2015-10-31T01:59:38 < kakimir> how about set_buffer_unload_func(func pointer goes here)
2015-10-31T02:01:04 < kakimir> actual pointer is then named fitting to application
2015-10-31T02:01:11 < kakimir> *function
2015-10-31T02:01:23 < kakimir> to be pointed
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2015-10-31T02:05:41 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-10-31T02:05:45 < dongs> just woke up
2015-10-31T02:06:06 < dongs> need to get stoned
2015-10-31T02:08:12 < kakimir> tru?
2015-10-31T02:17:09 < dongs> native dicker
2015-10-31T02:17:46 < kakimir> superbia: dongs is chinese
2015-10-31T02:19:16 < dongs> RIP jadew http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/11967239/bucharest-nightclub-explosion-fire-deaths.html
2015-10-31T02:19:16 < Roklobsta> Hmmm, kimdotcom is smoking something again.  http://www.theage.com.au/technology/innovation/kim-dotcom-is-building-an-encrypted-peersupported-internet-20151029-gkmjaa.html
2015-10-31T02:20:39 < jadew> dongs, when did that happen?
2015-10-31T02:21:04 < dongs> like today/now?
2015-10-31T02:21:10 < jadew> it's night now
2015-10-31T02:21:11 < jadew> 2 am
2015-10-31T02:21:13 < dongs> right
2015-10-31T02:21:19 < dongs> so few hours ago
2015-10-31T02:21:24 < jadew> damn...
2015-10-31T02:21:30 < jadew> let me find out more
2015-10-31T02:21:31 < dongs> 22.27
2015-10-31T02:21:31 < dongs> Hello and welcome to our live coverage of the news that an explosion in a Bucharest nightclub has killed dozens of people. Follow latest updates here as the story develops.
2015-10-31T02:21:35 < dongs> looks like started at 10.30
2015-10-31T02:21:35 < dongs> pm
2015-10-31T02:21:53 < dongs> unless tahts UK time
2015-10-31T02:21:58 < dongs> but i guess that should be pretty close for EU
2015-10-31T02:22:04 < jadew> wow, the news are filled with that
2015-10-31T02:22:31 < dongs> <jadew> I was just gonna sit on irc and be ignorant
2015-10-31T02:22:39 < jadew> lol
2015-10-31T02:22:54 < jadew> going to take a piss then I'll let you know what I find out
2015-10-31T02:22:55 < kakimir> uk and romania are quite different timezone
2015-10-31T02:23:07 < jadew> 2 hours difference
2015-10-31T02:23:34 < jadew> superbia, hai2u
2015-10-31T02:26:14 < kakimir> there is some observatory tower in londonium that sets zero point for prime meridian and GMT timezones
2015-10-31T02:26:31 < Roklobsta> it's at Greenwich, funnily enough.
2015-10-31T02:26:47 < kakimir> how deep is that
2015-10-31T02:26:51 < Roklobsta> up the Thames river.
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2015-10-31T02:29:17 < kakimir> how dope place london was back then when they decided to do all this stuff
2015-10-31T02:30:49 < jadew> london used to be leading the scientific world
2015-10-31T02:31:00 < kakimir> center of enlightenment
2015-10-31T02:32:10 < kakimir> propably nice castles, parks and that kind of stuff too where to saunter
2015-10-31T02:33:25 < jadew> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society
2015-10-31T02:33:33 < jadew> sorry
2015-10-31T02:33:36 < jadew> change that to en
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2015-10-31T02:35:22 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Royal_Society
2015-10-31T02:39:20 < jadew> ah, today was halloween?
2015-10-31T02:39:46 < ds2> by royal decree, it is no longer?
2015-10-31T02:41:08 < jadew> a guy from that party said that there were 4 fireworks that went off
2015-10-31T02:41:20 < jadew> 2 went out and 2 lit the ceiling
2015-10-31T02:41:42 < jadew> then they basically stomped on each other and who was the strongest made it
2015-10-31T02:41:53 < jadew> only about 20 persons made it out on their own
2015-10-31T02:42:21 < dongs> nice
2015-10-31T02:42:37 < jadew> pretty sad really
2015-10-31T02:44:53 < englishman> hey, exactly like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOzfq9Egxeo
2015-10-31T02:45:04 < dongs> he
2015-10-31T02:47:25 < kakimir> typical discotheque smoketrap
2015-10-31T02:53:21 < jadew> lots of kids won't be allowed to go to clubs anymore
2015-10-31T02:58:11 < Roklobsta> Too many people for license, inadequate/blocked emergency exits, lots of flammable material and decorations, shitloads of alcohol and drugs.  What could possibly go wrong?
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2015-10-31T02:59:52 < jadew> Roklobsta, drugs are not a thing in here
2015-10-31T03:00:10 < jadew> well, some people do them, but very few
2015-10-31T03:01:16 < jadew> traci lords played in that one?
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2015-10-31T03:05:30 < ds2> wasn't that also a CSI episode?
2015-10-31T03:06:21 < jadew> so apparently it wasn't a halloween party, just a concert
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2015-10-31T03:29:56 < jadew> from an official source: 27 dead, 162 wounded
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2015-10-31T03:50:37 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/EAAIR08.gifv
2015-10-31T03:53:17 < dongs> seen
2015-10-31T03:53:22 < dongs> a good use of vertical video for once
2015-10-31T03:53:34 < jadew> lol
2015-10-31T03:54:12 < jadew> pretty sure watching stuff like that all the time isn't healthy
2015-10-31T03:54:24 < kakimir> sweet
2015-10-31T03:55:51 < englishman> right, it was probably not healthy for that guy to do that
2015-10-31T03:56:59 < jadew> see, instead it should make you feel bad for him because something like that send a powerful message, that man was desperate and couldn't take it anymore
2015-10-31T03:57:21 < dongs> it was in a shithole countr I had to look up on google
2015-10-31T03:57:23 < dongs> to find where it was
2015-10-31T03:57:32 < englishman> well now he will have to, since it looks like he was rescued
2015-10-31T03:57:35 < jadew> there's a huge emotional package that gets delivered with this kind of images
2015-10-31T03:57:48 < dongs> how many of you know where the fuck tunisia is?
2015-10-31T03:57:54  * dongs didnt
2015-10-31T03:57:56 < upgrdman> lolol  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a2_1424774068
2015-10-31T03:58:05 < jadew> I know
2015-10-31T03:58:06 < upgrdman> ^ the reaction at the end
2015-10-31T03:58:17 < kakimir> crap footage. where is my pronz?
2015-10-31T03:58:23 < dongs> upgrdman: looooool
2015-10-31T03:58:34 < jadew> tunisians are actually having a bad time now
2015-10-31T03:58:41 < dongs> jadew: 'now'?
2015-10-31T03:58:42 < englishman> tunisian food is awesome
2015-10-31T03:59:00 < jadew> recent terrorist attacks targetting tourists have basically driven everyone away
2015-10-31T03:59:05 < jadew> nobody wants to go there anymore
2015-10-31T03:59:32 < dongs> why w ould anyone want to go there in the first place
2015-10-31T03:59:42 < jadew> great beaches
2015-10-31T04:01:37 < kakimir> now I don't want to go to tunisia at all
2015-10-31T04:02:15 < dongs> jadew: who the fuckgoes to africa for beaches
2015-10-31T04:02:18 < dongs> i mean
2015-10-31T04:02:26 < jadew> europeans used to
2015-10-31T04:02:31 < dongs> oh okay.
2015-10-31T04:02:36 < dongs> well you people are weird anyway.
2015-10-31T04:02:39 < jadew> just for kicks really, we have cool beaches here too
2015-10-31T04:02:45 < dongs> japs only go to hawaii
2015-10-31T04:02:50 < dongs> or guam
2015-10-31T04:02:57 < dongs> i duno where guam is either, i heard its clsoe tho
2015-10-31T04:03:05 < kakimir> distance may affect
2015-10-31T04:03:27 < dongs> ah guam is kinda close
2015-10-31T04:03:29 < dongs> like a 3 hour flight
2015-10-31T04:04:02 < dongs> 4h20min
2015-10-31T04:04:27 < jadew> Egypt used to be a popular destination
2015-10-31T04:04:55 < jadew> nice beaches + pyramids, hard to beat that
2015-10-31T04:05:01 < dongs> then muslim happened
2015-10-31T04:05:32 < jadew> yeah, apparently they used to be much more moderate in the past decades
2015-10-31T04:06:21 < jadew> (egyptians)
2015-10-31T04:07:00 < kakimir> you mean US backed terrorist groups happened
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2015-10-31T04:10:32 < jadew> now you're flagged
2015-10-31T04:13:35 < dongs> he's been flaged
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2015-10-31T04:21:26 < kakimir> flag me again
2015-10-31T04:33:52 < emeb_mac> dongs: is this old? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDeG4S-mJts
2015-10-31T04:35:29 < dongs> emeb_mac: new 2 me, lolling
2015-10-31T04:35:50 < emeb_mac> fish tacos baby
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2015-10-31T04:49:09 < dongs> emeb_mac: you made a 303 breakout right?
2015-10-31T04:49:40 < emeb_mac> dongs: yes. http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32f303breakout/index.html
2015-10-31T04:49:50 < dongs> right
2015-10-31T04:49:57 < dongs> how did you deal with usb 1.5k pullup?
2015-10-31T04:50:06 < dongs> was it same shit as on 373, you had a pfet or something
2015-10-31T04:50:13 < dongs> that was on by default and can be turned off?
2015-10-31T04:50:59 < dongs> yeah seems so according to schema
2015-10-31T04:51:00 < dongs> wtf
2015-10-31T04:51:08 < dongs> doesnt 303 have this internally?
2015-10-31T04:51:13 < dongs> how else would DFU work
2015-10-31T04:51:28 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/3sprA53l.jpg
2015-10-31T04:52:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: no internal pullup. You can just make it permanent, but I wanted the pfet so I could reset the link.
2015-10-31T04:52:39 < dongs> right
2015-10-31T04:52:49 < dongs> but
2015-10-31T04:52:58 < dongs> how would DFU (rom) reconnect?
2015-10-31T04:53:05 < dongs> like there's a descriptor in USBshit you can have in userspace
2015-10-31T04:53:09 < dongs> that takes you into DFU mode
2015-10-31T04:53:15 < dongs> so that would require a reset(?) and reconnect
2015-10-31T04:53:24 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah - seems dumb
2015-10-31T04:53:43 < dongs> argh
2015-10-31T04:53:55 < dongs> bloging hard as you can see
2015-10-31T04:56:29 < dongs> enjoy your shitty drm'd crap
2015-10-31T05:06:17 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/wMKIMva
2015-10-31T05:06:20 < aandrew> seriously what kind of fucking schematic symbol is that?
2015-10-31T05:06:24 < aandrew> VO and VFB need to be on the same side as SW1-3
2015-10-31T05:06:39 < dongs> why didnt you draw it yourself
2015-10-31T05:06:40 < dongs> you cunt
2015-10-31T05:06:51 < aandrew> because I'm a lazy
2015-10-31T05:07:01 < dongs> did  you rip it from CIRCUITMAKER
2015-10-31T05:07:10 < dongs> the EDA of PROS
2015-10-31T05:07:10 < aandrew> this is out of Altium vaults
2015-10-31T05:07:15 < aandrew> people pay for this kind of shit work
2015-10-31T05:07:24 < dongs> ah so its just lazy altidong dudes drawing shit
2015-10-31T05:07:27 < dongs> hatin' thier job
2015-10-31T05:08:30 < dongs> the only shit i'd ever pull out of vaults is stuff with over 9000 pins
2015-10-31T05:08:39 < dongs> and evne then I dont like all the metadata it attaches
2015-10-31T05:08:46 < dongs> like all the string properties ands hit
2015-10-31T05:08:52 < dongs> so I just copy the symbol out and fuck the rest
2015-10-31T05:12:57 < aandrew> R2COM: if I give you a dsn/brd can you extract the schematic symbol and footprint and give me an olb I might be able to import into alitum?
2015-10-31T05:13:27 < aandrew> I just downloaded the entire orcad 16.666 but really don't want to have to spin up a vm just to install probably virused shit to do it
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2015-10-31T05:15:31 < aandrew> I have this fucking 9000 pin snapdragon SOM and dealing with the people who make it is painful
2015-10-31T05:25:48 < upgrdman> any reason why so many spi periphs top out at like 10MHz clock?
2015-10-31T05:26:10 < upgrdman> like even many LCDs, which should be high bandwidth
2015-10-31T05:27:03 < upgrdman> and the fast spi periph i have seen recently was an adc that could handle a 40MHz sclk
2015-10-31T05:27:23 < upgrdman> wtf isn't 100+MHz common for spi?
2015-10-31T05:29:08 < aandrew> hell no
2015-10-31T05:29:56 < upgrdman> nice costume bro   https://i.imgur.com/MTXeJHi.gifv
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2015-10-31T06:08:12 < dongs> well hm
2015-10-31T06:09:43 < upgrdman> hm
2015-10-31T06:10:58 < dongs> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1442509743/siwqlvsugxvdgiyemywp.jpg
2015-10-31T06:18:15 < upgrdman> what's it do?
2015-10-31T06:18:20 < upgrdman> perpetual motion?
2015-10-31T06:30:54 < dongs> GPS tracker
2015-10-31T06:30:59 < dongs> some indiegogo trash
2015-10-31T06:31:01 < dongs> that didnt deliver
2015-10-31T06:31:06 < dongs> even after pirating altidong
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2015-10-31T06:47:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st0YQ8IKhNM
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2015-10-31T07:56:31 < emeb_mac> but they're mighty! and morphin!
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2015-10-31T08:27:39 < ds2> are they the ones that patrol the tesla coil parks?
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2015-10-31T12:03:45 < Roklobsta> I still have my Denziman spaceship and robot in a box behind me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqR1UTxHgYk
2015-10-31T12:18:24 < bloated> which one of you guys shot down that Russian airbus ?
2015-10-31T12:25:08 < zyp> R2COM
2015-10-31T12:25:10 < zyp> with his mig
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2015-10-31T13:22:01 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/uCqVAwo.jpg
2015-10-31T13:29:17 < zyp> how many did you check?
2015-10-31T13:29:52 < Steffanx> he probably wrote some javascript to check them all.
2015-10-31T13:29:54 < jadew> just agender
2015-10-31T13:30:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah someone seems to have an agender
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2015-10-31T13:35:16 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/PBwX6hy.webm
2015-10-31T13:39:44 < Laurenceb_> b&
2015-10-31T13:41:19 < Laurenceb_> zyp has been making usb accessories again
2015-10-31T13:41:21 < Laurenceb_> http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=34433
2015-10-31T13:42:10 < zyp> pft, if I made one, it would be controllable over usb
2015-10-31T13:42:27 < Laurenceb_> lul wonder if there is an appropriate usb class
2015-10-31T13:43:09 < zyp> HID force feedback? :D
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2015-10-31T13:49:57 < dongs> zyp, what the fuck with 1.5k poullup on F3
2015-10-31T13:50:03 < dongs> theres no internal one whyt?
2015-10-31T13:50:16 < zyp> same situation as F1
2015-10-31T13:50:25 < dongs> yes but they have DFU
2015-10-31T13:50:51 < ReadError> wouldnt enumerate w/o the 1.5k on dp
2015-10-31T13:50:51 < zyp> yes
2015-10-31T13:51:08 < zyp> discovery board has 1.5k hardwired to 3.3V
2015-10-31T13:51:15 < dongs> zyp, so how do i do jump-to-dfu from userspace with a reset and no external 1.5k
2015-10-31T13:51:23 < dongs> i mean and no internal 1`.5k
2015-10-31T13:51:54 < zyp> you'd have to disable external 1.5k somehow before reset
2015-10-31T13:52:02 < zyp> emeb trick is nice for that
2015-10-31T13:52:10 < dongs> yes but thats silly
2015-10-31T13:52:14 < dongs> what if my chip is debugging
2015-10-31T13:52:20 < dongs> and i have perm 1.5k pullup
2015-10-31T13:52:27 < dongs> it will be unknown edevice etc.
2015-10-31T13:52:28 < dongs> aids.
2015-10-31T13:52:37 < zyp> yep
2015-10-31T13:53:04 < zyp> on arcin I just have 1.5k on a gpio, so during reset the gpio floats and signals a disconnect
2015-10-31T13:53:20 < dongs> err, and how do you enter ROM DFU then?
2015-10-31T13:53:27 < zyp> but I use my own bootloader which knows how to turn it on
2015-10-31T13:53:29 < zyp> not rom bootloader
2015-10-31T13:53:31 < dongs> right
2015-10-31T13:53:37 < dongs> so its fail!
2015-10-31T13:54:03 < ReadError> question, what would cause HSE not to start *until* I issue a reset over openocd ?
2015-10-31T13:54:06 < zyp> idk, I like the flexibility
2015-10-31T13:54:23 < dongs> zyp, i'd have preferred it to be internal, and ROM DFU managing it as needed
2015-10-31T13:54:26 < dongs> (or my userspace)
2015-10-31T13:54:27 < ReadError> first boot, waits on HSERDY, hit it w/ reset, comes right up
2015-10-31T13:55:09 < zyp> dongs, the chips with a fully functional internal DP pullup does that
2015-10-31T13:55:22 < zyp> i.e. f0/l0
2015-10-31T13:55:30 < zyp> and f4 of course, but that's a completely different core
2015-10-31T13:55:42 < dongs> yes so why didnt they do that on F3
2015-10-31T13:55:57 < zyp> because it's using the old core, just like F1
2015-10-31T13:56:08 < dongs> and f0/l0 are using new?
2015-10-31T13:56:11 < zyp> F0/L0 got a v2 of that core with a bunch of new stuff
2015-10-31T13:56:15 < dongs> ic
2015-10-31T13:56:18 < dongs> well, fucking trash.
2015-10-31T13:56:22 < dongs> speaking of trash
2015-10-31T13:56:27 < zyp> IIRC it supports battery charge spec negotiation as well
2015-10-31T13:56:27 < dongs> zeptobars should have gd32s delivered.
2015-10-31T13:56:57 < zyp> so anyway, why not go with custom bootloader?
2015-10-31T13:57:03 < zyp> lazyness?
2015-10-31T13:57:09 < dongs> zyp, if user wipes custom
2015-10-31T13:57:13 < dongs> they're boned
2015-10-31T13:57:17 < dongs> with a 'floating' pullup.
2015-10-31T13:57:28 < zyp> sure, but how would they do that?
2015-10-31T13:57:40 < dongs> dude, never underestimate dumb users.
2015-10-31T13:57:50 < zyp> my bootloader doesn't allow overwriting itself
2015-10-31T13:58:03 < dongs> it doesnt matter
2015-10-31T13:58:07 < dongs> if there is a way, it will be done
2015-10-31T13:58:13 < zyp> so you'd have to use jtag to wipe it, and then you might as well use jtag to put it back
2015-10-31T13:58:34 < zyp> well, there is a way, you could flash a firmware that wipes bootloader
2015-10-31T13:58:44 < zyp> I did that trick to upgrade the bootloader once
2015-10-31T13:58:52 < dongs> you can also wiep it over uart
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2015-10-31T13:59:15 < zyp> but I put in a ton of verification and shit to make sure it didn't wipe the bootloader before ensuring the new one was okay
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2015-10-31T13:59:24 < dongs> how do you even do that
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2015-10-31T14:01:03 < zyp> I made a firmware containing a bootloader image with checksum and shit
2015-10-31T14:01:18 < zyp> then i wrote that firmware through old bootloader
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2015-10-31T14:01:41 < dongs> wrote to where>
2015-10-31T14:01:43 < zyp> on boot the firmware verified the image against checksum, wiped bootloader sectors, wrote new image to bootloader sectors
2015-10-31T14:01:50 < dongs> ic
2015-10-31T14:01:53 < zyp> in place of normal firmware
2015-10-31T14:01:55 < dongs> ah so you wrote it to uesrspace
2015-10-31T14:01:56 < dongs> ight
2015-10-31T14:02:03 < dongs> and then it ran, adn checked, and wiped bootloader and replaced?
2015-10-31T14:02:09 < zyp> yeah
2015-10-31T14:02:24 < dongs> kk, thats what i thought would be reasonable.
2015-10-31T14:02:29 < zyp> and after successful bootloader write it erased itself so it would only run once
2015-10-31T14:03:12 < zyp> then bootloader would see that vector table is empty and stay in bootloader mode, ready to receive a normal firmware
2015-10-31T14:03:50 < dongs> how did it erase itself
2015-10-31T14:04:05 < dongs> or just some part of itself>
2015-10-31T14:04:06 < zyp> well, I just erased first sector of userspace
2015-10-31T14:04:09 < dongs> ah
2015-10-31T14:04:09 < zyp> where the vector table is
2015-10-31T14:04:13 < dongs> right
2015-10-31T14:04:25 < dongs> but isnt sector kinda big
2015-10-31T14:04:33 < dongs> dont you have to make sure your 'running' erase code was not in it?
2015-10-31T14:04:34 < zyp> bootloader checks that the reset vector is within a valid part of flash, which 0xffffffff isn't
2015-10-31T14:04:39 < zyp> doesn't matter
2015-10-31T14:04:49 < dongs> you can erase a page youre running fro?
2015-10-31T14:04:50 < dongs> from
2015-10-31T14:05:05 < zyp> sure, flash doesn't know where you're running
2015-10-31T14:05:12 < dongs> err
2015-10-31T14:05:12 < zyp> it'll just hardfault immediately or something
2015-10-31T14:05:16 < dongs> right..
2015-10-31T14:05:19 < zyp> which is fine because it's done
2015-10-31T14:05:25 < dongs> so how do you jmp to bl after that
2015-10-31T14:05:26 < dongs> oic
2015-10-31T14:05:31 < dongs> so just reset/pwoerccle or soemshti
2015-10-31T14:05:36 < zyp> yep
2015-10-31T14:06:28 < zyp> but sectors on f3 are small
2015-10-31T14:06:53 < zyp> like 1k each, IIRC
2015-10-31T14:07:22 < zyp> and vector table consumes a bunch of first sector, so it's not likely executing code will be in there
2015-10-31T14:08:14 < dongs> ya
2015-10-31T14:08:54 < zyp> anyway, it worked out nicely
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2015-10-31T14:09:20 < zyp> reason I had to do that was that I shipped out half of first batch with broken HID descriptors in the bootloader
2015-10-31T14:09:49 < zyp> so I had to bind it to winusb instead to use it once
2015-10-31T14:10:45 < zyp> there were of course a risk of bricking the board if you pulled power between erase and write
2015-10-31T14:11:13 < zyp> but rewriting 8k like that takes a fraction of a second
2015-10-31T14:11:29 < zyp> and it was all verified before it started
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2015-10-31T14:13:02 < zyp> you could probably do it in a few tries if you tried deliberately :p
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2015-10-31T14:19:32 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/QSBBrh7.webm
2015-10-31T14:22:04 < Steffanx> Not sure why this error + eclipse-ish screenshot in that video jadew ..
2015-10-31T14:22:37 < jadew> probably the source of the error
2015-10-31T14:22:38 < dongs> the title is somethin about java
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2015-10-31T14:23:25 < dongs> hm zeptobars is processing at delivery post office
2015-10-31T14:23:47 < dongs> why so slow
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2015-10-31T14:42:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PZGaYy8.png damn thats a gross footprint
2015-10-31T14:43:09 < dongs> at least it has enough dimensions hopefully that i dont have to bust out calc.exe
2015-10-31T14:43:36 < Steffanx>  google.com is a perfect calc.exe
2015-10-31T14:45:32 < dongs> http://imgur.com/include/halloween/Zombie_Dickbutt.png
2015-10-31T14:47:12 < Sync> dongs: are there cheapshit chinaclones of the allegro acs710?
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2015-10-31T14:48:45 < dongs> not that i know of
2015-10-31T14:48:51 < dongs> you cant really cheap that anyway.
2015-10-31T14:49:11 < dongs> isnt that the one wiht huge leadz
2015-10-31T14:49:20 < dongs> oh no
2015-10-31T14:49:45 < dongs> but anyway no i ahvent seen cheap acs.
2015-10-31T14:57:37 < dongs> of course, that footprint is missing pad width.
2015-10-31T15:02:54 < dongs> fuck
2015-10-31T15:03:34 < dongs> any idea waht the narrow pad width is?
2015-10-31T15:06:09 < dongs> maybe i can calculate it baesd on -0.375...-2.125 / 4 0.5mm pitch dimension...
2015-10-31T15:06:12 < dongs> but duno how
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2015-10-31T15:30:51 < ReadError> (2.125 - 0.375 - (3*.5)) / 4 ?
2015-10-31T15:31:27 < ReadError> btw dongs, solidworks has a good feature for this, you measure 1 known thing
2015-10-31T15:31:34 < ReadError> and it will give u the value of anything else
2015-10-31T15:37:31 < dongs> does that work?
2015-10-31T15:37:42 < dongs> 0.0625
2015-10-31T15:37:43 < dongs> nope
2015-10-31T15:38:15 < dongs> i could probably augenmass it...
2015-10-31T15:39:15 < ReadError> oh the 3 * .5 is the issue
2015-10-31T15:39:27 < ReadError> since that removes 1 pad 3 times
2015-10-31T15:39:54 < Sync> hmm, thanks dongs
2015-10-31T15:39:55 < Sync> thought so
2015-10-31T15:42:18 < dongs> hm augenmass says 0.25
2015-10-31T15:43:56 < dongs> yep that was it
2015-10-31T15:52:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: why do i get .25 for vertically arranged pads but .23 for horizontally arranged?
2015-10-31T15:53:04 < PaulFertser> Duh, 1.13, not 1.11
2015-10-31T15:53:07 < PaulFertser> Then it all matches.
2015-10-31T15:53:17 < dongs> yea left edge of vertical is 1.13
2015-10-31T15:53:19 < dongs> 1.11 is pad
2015-10-31T15:53:20 < PaulFertser> What IC is that odd?
2015-10-31T15:53:29 < dongs> some dual fet shit
2015-10-31T15:53:52 < dongs> the large shits are drains or whatever
2015-10-31T15:53:58 < dongs> and then the otehrs are connceted toghter
2015-10-31T15:56:21 < dongs> PaulFertser: how did you get the width by math?
2015-10-31T15:56:51 < PaulFertser> dongs: (2.125-.375 - (0.5*3)) , (1.12+1.13 - 0.5*4)
2015-10-31T15:57:17 < dongs> stonererror was close then
2015-10-31T15:58:05 < PaulFertser> After that substraction you're left with the upper half of the upper pad and the lower half of the lower pad, so that makes up for one pad's width.
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2015-10-31T16:19:02 < dongs> thank you
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2015-10-31T18:38:17 < jadew> lol @ the retard commit
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2015-10-31T19:14:23 < Getty> so just for me as noob to understand, they really put a connection on this bridge between this programmer on the nucleo and the actual board?
2015-10-31T19:14:57 < Getty> i am really confused why they made this "break line"
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2015-10-31T19:16:41 < Sync> so that you can use the stlink for something else
2015-10-31T19:17:17 < upgrdman> :/  http://i.imgur.com/AhvHfUp.jpg
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2015-10-31T19:18:01 < Getty> sync: yeah but.. i mean... so if i understand this right, i could disconnect it from the board, but then i would have to connect it with a wire again to the board if i want to reconnect, right?
2015-10-31T19:18:18 < Getty> but if i dont break it off, then over this little bridge they are linked?
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2015-10-31T19:18:55 < Getty> or is it not even thought to be disconnected? its just visual to split them up?
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2015-10-31T19:36:21 < Sync> of course you are able to break them off Getty
2015-10-31T19:36:51 < Getty> it just sounds so wasteful as concept part of a sell product
2015-10-31T19:36:56 < Getty> but given how cheap it is.....
2015-10-31T19:36:59 < Getty> just crazy
2015-10-31T19:37:48 < Sync> huh?
2015-10-31T19:37:57 < Sync> how is that wasteful?
2015-10-31T19:38:28 < Sync> the idea is, you debug your program and then you can put the nucleo into something and snap the programmer off
2015-10-31T19:38:34 < Getty> yeah well depending on how you see it, there is probably a huge amount of people who would like to use the nucleo board and then break off the programmer to spare space
2015-10-31T19:38:35 < Getty> yeah exactly
2015-10-31T19:38:48 < Getty> and so you have after a 100 production line, 100 of those programmers around
2015-10-31T19:38:54 < Getty> thats... my definition of wasteful ;)
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2015-10-31T19:38:58 < Laurenceb_> dongs car
2015-10-31T19:39:14 < Sync> if you are using nucleos in an actual commercial project you are doing it wrong
2015-10-31T19:39:59 < Laurenceb_> heh
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2015-10-31T20:29:41 < Laurenceb_> I won  http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/least-intelligent-comment-of-all-time-meme.png
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2015-10-31T21:21:28 < Laurenceb_> pretty smart for a 12 year old
2015-10-31T21:21:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cvZNNTjvVhk
2015-10-31T21:26:54 < BrainDamage> since we're linking bullshit: http://www.twitch.tv/twitchinstallsarchlinux
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2015-10-31T21:46:00 < bloated> get rich quick. bitcoin mining without hardware: http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html
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2015-10-31T23:08:44 < Laurenceb_> https://sokek.com/rejection-letter-from-harvard/
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2015-10-31T23:45:59 < jadew> I wonder what the application letter looked like
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2015-10-31T23:50:12 < upgrdman> is it possible for a preprocessor directive to print ot the console at compile time?
2015-10-31T23:50:46 < jadew> if it calls a an actual function
2015-10-31T23:50:55 < jadew> oh wait
2015-10-31T23:51:02 < jadew> at compile time - yes
2015-10-31T23:53:20 < kakimir> too tired to do anything else... time to learn posix api
2015-10-31T23:53:51 < jadew> not much to learn about it
2015-10-31T23:53:56 < upgrdman> or even better, is it possible to determine a gcc argument from within the preprocessor? e.g. determine if gcc was called with -mcpu=foo ?
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2015-10-31T23:54:55 < jadew> upgrdman, it should be possible, I'm sure libraries like boost are able to detect that
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2015-10-31T23:56:14 < kakimir> what is difference between using standard streams and sockets?
2015-10-31T23:56:47 < kakimir> socket kind of confuses me as it's everywhere
2015-10-31T23:56:50 < jadew> we're talking c++ here, right?
2015-10-31T23:56:59 < upgrdman> jadew, me? c
2015-10-31T23:56:59 < kakimir> c
2015-10-31T23:57:10 < jadew> what streams do you have in C?
2015-10-31T23:57:28 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2015-10-31T23:57:47 < jadew> I don't understand what he refers to when he says streams
2015-10-31T23:58:08 < upgrdman> maybe stdout, stderr, stdin?
2015-10-31T23:58:25 < kakimir> yes
2015-10-31T23:58:33 < Roklobsta> just don't cross them.
2015-10-31T23:58:36 < kakimir> i didn't know there is more than that?
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2015-10-31T23:59:16 < jadew> so how are you comparing sockets to file streams?
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