--- Log opened Sun Nov 01 00:00:12 2015
2015-11-01T00:00:32 < kakimir> are those compairable?
2015-11-01T00:00:38 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: preprocessor directive to print is probably #warning
2015-11-01T00:00:46 < jadew> they're different things
2015-11-01T00:00:54 < kakimir> and not file streams but stardard io streams
2015-11-01T00:01:32 < jadew> see... I only use "standard IO stream" in a C++ context
2015-11-01T00:01:35 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, ahh thx
2015-11-01T00:01:38 < jadew> in C... you have files
2015-11-01T00:01:38 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: different mcpu options might produce some special preprocessor definitions, should be documented.
2015-11-01T00:01:45 < upgrdman> k
2015-11-01T00:02:05 < jadew> kakimir, I mean... in C, you have whatever the OS provides you
2015-11-01T00:02:21 < jadew> and whatever that thing is, behaves in whatever way the OS decides it will
2015-11-01T00:02:25 < kakimir> oh and streams are files then.. this doesn't get any easier
2015-11-01T00:02:29 < jadew> sure, both files and sockets are streams in a way
2015-11-01T00:02:44 < jadew> but they're far from following a particular standard that applies to both
2015-11-01T00:03:14 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: e.g. "avr builtin macros", not sure where it's documented for arm.
2015-11-01T00:03:23 < jadew> on the other hand you have c++ streams, which are standardised
2015-11-01T00:03:39 < jadew> all streams behave (or should behave) the same
2015-11-01T00:03:44 < kakimir> I haven't seen anything that would explain these as whole
2015-11-01T00:03:47 < jadew> and you can use the same functions with all of them
2015-11-01T00:04:44 < jadew> kakimir, the streams in c++ are wrapper classes around particular stuff
2015-11-01T00:04:56 < jadew> for example around file handles
2015-11-01T00:05:12 < jadew> so you get a stream that represents a file and behaves like a stream
2015-11-01T00:05:18 < PaulFertser> jadew: I'd say in C you have stdio functions (printf and friends), they work with FILE streams, and you have low-level POSIX functions like write(), read(), and those can work with BSD sockets as well as other file descriptors.
2015-11-01T00:05:19 < jadew> then you can have a network connection of some sort
2015-11-01T00:05:24 < jadew> and behaves in the same way
2015-11-01T00:06:03 < PaulFertser> In C you can also use fdopen to create a FILE stream from a file descriptor.
2015-11-01T00:06:07 < jadew> PaulFertser, write() and read() work with sockets?
2015-11-01T00:06:38 < PaulFertser> jadew: TCP (and the like) sockets, yes.
2015-11-01T00:06:50 < jadew> didn't know that
2015-11-01T00:07:01 < PaulFertser> How would you write to a tcp socket?
2015-11-01T00:07:06 < jadew> recv and send
2015-11-01T00:07:43 < PaulFertser> man 2 send mentions write() :)
2015-11-01T00:07:54 < kakimir> so streams are files that are read in phase inputs are given
2015-11-01T00:07:58 < jadew> interesting, didn't know that
2015-11-01T00:08:28 < kakimir> is there other streams than standard streams
2015-11-01T00:08:32 < kakimir> are there*
2015-11-01T00:08:46 < kakimir> idk. anything
2015-11-01T00:10:06 < kakimir> is ncurses using standard output?
2015-11-01T00:10:38 < PaulFertser> Yes, but not via FILE streams I think.
2015-11-01T00:10:44 < kakimir> It confuses me as you close ncurses program
2015-11-01T00:10:59 < jadew> it may save the buffer
2015-11-01T00:11:00 < kakimir> you get the terminal as it was
2015-11-01T00:11:10 < kakimir> before launching the program
2015-11-01T00:11:29 < kakimir> so. magic?
2015-11-01T00:11:45 < PaulFertser> It sends special sequences to the terminal.
2015-11-01T00:11:45 < jadew> the way that sort of programs were done in the past was by writing directly to the video buffer
2015-11-01T00:11:57 < jadew> I guess that's not possible under linux tho
2015-11-01T00:12:09 < kakimir> PaulFertser: some set of characters to control terminal?
2015-11-01T00:12:21 < jadew> or if it was, it wouldn't play well with the terminal
2015-11-01T00:12:36 < PaulFertser> jadew: no, there was no video buffer in *nix. It was done this way in DOS for 8086 and other microcomputers like that.
2015-11-01T00:12:41 < kakimir> so my error messages do not pop on screen or stay on screen when my ncurses program is running?
2015-11-01T00:12:49 < PaulFertser> kakimir: yes, escape control sequences.
2015-11-01T00:13:18 < kakimir> and when I close program I see error crap there
2015-11-01T00:14:08 < PaulFertser> jadew: minicomputers had terminals (dedicated dummy computers) connected via serial lines, the buffer was inside those dummy terminals and they were treating some sequences in a special way. And different terminals had different set and sometimes meaning assigned to the sequences.
2015-11-01T00:14:47 < kakimir> how enjoyable it is to get ncurses running on cortex-m3 ?
2015-11-01T00:14:52 < kakimir> with rtos
2015-11-01T00:15:50 < Roklobsta> why ncrurses?
2015-11-01T00:16:13 < kakimir> hmm
2015-11-01T00:16:46 < kakimir> write your own?
2015-11-01T00:17:03 < PaulFertser> Well known API for interactive apps. Probably useful if you connect that cortex-m3 based device to a terminal (or terminal emulator) to provide end user with a fancy colour text-mode interactive interface.
2015-11-01T00:17:16 < kakimir> bling bling
2015-11-01T00:17:44 < kakimir> and works with terminal nicely
2015-11-01T00:17:46 < Roklobsta> kakimir: i used i think this to make an ascii/ansi screen for an AVR project.  http://picoe.ca/products/pablodraw/
2015-11-01T00:17:58 < jadew> PaulFertser, what were minicomputers?
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2015-11-01T00:18:27 < Roklobsta> kakimir: used some ansi graphics and colour to get a nice screen layout for where i wanted data to be displayed.
2015-11-01T00:18:31 < gxti> a mainframe that didn't take up an entire room
2015-11-01T00:18:49 < Roklobsta> kakimir: then used ansi commands to set the cursor position when i wanted to update data fields.
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2015-11-01T00:19:03 < jadew> ah
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2015-11-01T00:20:18 < Roklobsta> no ncurses needed
2015-11-01T00:20:57 < kakimir> how you do that overlay stuff that fades after finish?
2015-11-01T00:22:03 < jadew> in text?
2015-11-01T00:22:36 < jadew> see, I don't think you can do that on a regular terminal
2015-11-01T00:22:38 < PaulFertser> Porting xcb to stm32 would be way more rad.
2015-11-01T00:22:45 < jadew> can you redefine the color palette?
2015-11-01T00:23:37 < kakimir> hmm
2015-11-01T00:23:42 < kakimir> x server.. why not
2015-11-01T00:23:59 < BrainDamage> actually many terminals support 8 bit colours
2015-11-01T00:24:07 < BrainDamage> and a restricted selection even 24
2015-11-01T00:24:09 < jadew> BrainDamage, but can you redefine them?
2015-11-01T00:24:33 < BrainDamage> iirc yes
2015-11-01T00:24:33 < jadew> because fading out is done by redefining the color palette used in that particular thing that you want to fade out
2015-11-01T00:24:51 < jadew> I see, then that's how it's done :)
2015-11-01T00:25:12 < BrainDamage> but it'd be unnecessary with full 24 bit palette
2015-11-01T00:25:26 < kakimir> by fading I mean that when ncurses exits and contents of terminal come back
2015-11-01T00:25:33 < jadew> BrainDamage, yes, but much faster
2015-11-01T00:25:42 < jadew> unless you used a lot of colors
2015-11-01T00:25:54 < jadew> ah
2015-11-01T00:26:09 < jadew> kakimir, in that case it just rewrites whatever was there
2015-11-01T00:27:03 < jadew> I don't think all terminals support that
2015-11-01T00:27:41 < jadew> talking back was not something standard
2015-11-01T00:28:19 < jadew> there's no buffer of what's on the screen, so whichever application takes a snapshot it has to take it from the terminal
2015-11-01T00:28:48 < jadew> so the terminal has to talk back
2015-11-01T00:29:22 < PaulFertser> jadew: I guess it might be using some sequence to use "alternate screen buffer".
2015-11-01T00:30:18 < jadew> PaulFertser, possible
2015-11-01T00:30:56 < jadew> however, I noticed that when you have a ncurses app running in PuTTY, the old text in the scrollback is still there (above the ncurses app)
2015-11-01T00:31:04 < PaulFertser> jadew: see the answer here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17868652/screen-how-to-turn-on-alternate-screen
2015-11-01T00:31:05 < jadew> but that may be just an implementation detail
2015-11-01T00:31:44 < jadew> interesting
2015-11-01T00:32:00 < BrainDamage> it's an implementation detail, and xterm is annoying as fuck
2015-11-01T00:35:55 < kakimir> so ncurses kind of handles all that stuff
2015-11-01T00:36:55 < kakimir> but implementing ncurses on cortex-m3 is just too mad
2015-11-01T00:37:31 < jadew> wouldn't you just have to... compile it?
2015-11-01T00:38:40 < Laurenceb_> no lets discuss memetic dialectics
2015-11-01T00:44:39 < PaulFertser> jadew: btw, I can't find any command that would allow to read characters from terminal's memory at all.
2015-11-01T00:45:35 < jadew> PaulFertser, I remember bumping into something regarding that when I implemented a linux-like terminal
2015-11-01T00:45:58 < jadew> let me see if I can find something out
2015-11-01T00:47:57 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I lolld http://www.silverdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/israeli_court.jpg
2015-11-01T00:50:06 < jadew> PaulFertser, don't have any links in the code
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2015-11-01T00:55:29 < jadew> PaulFertser, don't take my word for it, I may have misunderstood some documentation or assumed that's what it does. I didn't care for that functionality so I didn't pay much attention to it.
2015-11-01T00:56:21 < jadew> anyway, a quick look over the protocol indicates that the terminal does talk back
2015-11-01T00:57:04 < jadew> you're able to query cursor position, screen size (which shoul have been obvious given how many applications do that) and some other stuff
2015-11-01T01:05:16 < jadew> PaulFertser, I can't find it either
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2015-11-01T01:19:51 < munki> hey all
2015-11-01T01:19:56 < munki> happy halloween
2015-11-01T01:24:36 < kakimir> jadew: how about color support?
2015-11-01T01:24:52 < kakimir> how I can see my terminal properties?
2015-11-01T01:27:01 < jadew> kakimir, you'll have to look up the protocol, it's an escape sequence that asks for that stuff
2015-11-01T01:27:26 < kakimir> no but manually
2015-11-01T01:27:46 < jadew> don't know
2015-11-01T01:27:48 < jadew> terminfo?
2015-11-01T01:27:59 < kakimir> echo $TERM outputs xterm
2015-11-01T01:28:06 < kakimir> "xterm"
2015-11-01T01:30:22 < kakimir> maybe we can just assume we have modern graphical terminal in another end
2015-11-01T01:30:27 < kakimir> without askin anything
2015-11-01T01:31:10 < BrainDamage> even modern terminal vary a lot
2015-11-01T01:31:14 < BrainDamage> https://www.gnu.org/software/termutils/manual/termcap-1.3/html_chapter/termcap_4.html
2015-11-01T01:32:02 < kakimir> maybe it's better to keep it simplified
2015-11-01T01:33:25 < jadew> dongs, I just read the story from somone on the second ambulance that got there last night
2015-11-01T01:33:32 < jadew> it was horrific
2015-11-01T01:34:00 < jadew> paramedics and firemen were crying at the sight
2015-11-01T01:44:06 < munki> anyone here think they could help me troubleshoot some UART stuff?
2015-11-01T01:45:08 < jadew> it'a always a good idea to start by mentioning the issue you're having
2015-11-01T01:46:51 < kakimir> what you think is posix system going to keep up next 20years?
2015-11-01T01:47:33 < munki> fair enough. I have a simple program on my Teensy microcontroller listening for a serial signal (9600 baud 8n1). I have a program running on my stm32f4 discovery board to transmit a byte to it every time i send a character to the stm32 COM port. It seems like the teensy is only receiving these characters: 0xe0, 0xfc, 0x1c. Is there any significance to these characters that i'm missing? or am i way off base
2015-11-01T01:47:44 < jadew> kakimir, I don't see why not
2015-11-01T01:47:47 < munki> did that cut off
2015-11-01T01:48:33 < jadew> munki, do you have an oscilloscope?
2015-11-01T01:48:45 < munki> yep
2015-11-01T01:49:01 < jadew> take some pictures, post them here
2015-11-01T01:49:05 < munki> kk
2015-11-01T01:49:06 < munki> stand by
2015-11-01T01:52:56 < munki> anything in particular i should be looking for?
2015-11-01T01:54:16 < jadew> well, the data you're sending
2015-11-01T01:54:22 < munki> hmm
2015-11-01T01:54:39 < jadew> if you can get the full frames in the screenshot, that would be great
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2015-11-01T01:58:06 < munki> http://imgur.com/ANBB8ZB
2015-11-01T01:58:28 < munki> that's from me sending 'a'
2015-11-01T01:59:17 < jadew> that looks good
2015-11-01T01:59:32 < jadew> 9600 baud?
2015-11-01T01:59:53 < munki> yep
2015-11-01T02:00:01 < jadew> hmm
2015-11-01T02:00:19 < jadew> that looks more like 1/3 of that
2015-11-01T02:01:03 < munki> one question i have
2015-11-01T02:01:05 < jadew> a bit should be about 1/10 of a div
2015-11-01T02:01:11 < munki> is it supposed to be normally HI
2015-11-01T02:01:15 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-01T02:01:17 < munki> k
2015-11-01T02:01:47 < jadew> your stm32 isn't configured properly (the clock)
2015-11-01T02:01:49 < munki> so my serial console on my teensy registers this as 0x1c, 0xfc
2015-11-01T02:01:56 < munki> i see
2015-11-01T02:02:09 < jadew> that's where you're sending the data from, right?
2015-11-01T02:02:13 < munki> yep
2015-11-01T02:02:20 < jadew> yeah, that's what the problem is
2015-11-01T02:02:41 < jadew> that looks more like 3000 than 9600
2015-11-01T02:02:44 < munki> hmmmm
2015-11-01T02:02:53 < munki> so the PLL is set up incorrectly?
2015-11-01T02:03:09 < jadew> possibly, I don't know, it's a rather long path :)
2015-11-01T02:03:26 < jadew> see what your clock is
2015-11-01T02:03:49 < munki> http://pastebin.com/vsKCjJv8
2015-11-01T02:03:52 < jadew> you should be able to output the APB clock on some pin
2015-11-01T02:03:55 < munki> that's what i have my usart init function
2015-11-01T02:03:58 < munki> kk
2015-11-01T02:04:00 < munki> lets see
2015-11-01T02:05:48 < munki> do you mean the RCC_MCO?
2015-11-01T02:06:04 < jadew> I don't remember, but it sounds right
2015-11-01T02:11:36 < munki> i have the master clock right around 16mhz
2015-11-01T02:14:25 < jadew> yeah, but you have to check if your APB clock is at the frequency you're expecting it to be
2015-11-01T02:14:37 < jadew> if it is, then you're not configuring the peripheral properly
2015-11-01T02:14:52 < munki> hmm
2015-11-01T02:14:57 < jadew> if it's not... then you have to look in the other direction
2015-11-01T02:19:16 < munki> interesting
2015-11-01T02:19:21 < munki> so the peripheral clock has to be set
2015-11-01T02:19:33 < munki> to a multiple of 9600hz?
2015-11-01T02:21:03 < jadew> if you want that exact frequency, sure
2015-11-01T02:21:09 < jadew> but you can usually get away with 10k
2015-11-01T02:21:26 < jadew> I'm sure the other device won't mind 10k either
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2015-11-01T02:30:53 < munki> still not sure i fully understand- i need to manipulate the PLL so that APB1 frequency is a multiple of 10khz?
2015-11-01T02:30:58 < munki> isn't it always basically that
2015-11-01T02:31:08 < jadew> yes
2015-11-01T02:31:29 < jadew> and then the peripheral has to be set so it devides that frequency in such a way that you get a 10k baudrate
2015-11-01T02:31:31 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_domain_socket okay there are these sockets and network sockets that are most likely Berkeley (BSD) sockets and there is websockets and then stream sockets?
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2015-11-01T02:31:54 < kakimir> and most likely few more if you look for
2015-11-01T02:48:57 < munki> jadew:
2015-11-01T02:48:57 < munki> heh
2015-11-01T02:49:01 < munki> i hacked around the issue i guess
2015-11-01T02:49:06 < munki> set the baud rate to 30000
2015-11-01T02:49:09 < munki> of the USART
2015-11-01T02:49:12 < jadew> heh
2015-11-01T02:50:00 < munki> gives me almost exactly 9.6khz on the serial clock
2015-11-01T02:50:44 < jadew> well, I guess that's a way of doing it :)
2015-11-01T02:51:57 < munki> thanks for your help
2015-11-01T02:52:24 < jadew> np
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2015-11-01T03:26:12 < kakimir> ethnic nigth: do you find this accurate http://imgur.com/gallery/Ljtd2 ?
2015-11-01T03:26:40 < kakimir> also: pick a wife for yourself
2015-11-01T03:30:18 < jadew> the firs two are very common in here
2015-11-01T03:30:23 < jadew> it's like I know those people
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2015-11-01T03:30:56 < jadew> 3rd too
2015-11-01T03:31:38 < jadew> baskid too
2015-11-01T03:31:51 < jadew> don't know... we have them all
2015-11-01T03:32:09 < jadew> with some exceptions
2015-11-01T03:33:57 < jadew> I'm not there tho
2015-11-01T03:39:58 < kakimir> I'm clearly baltic - east baltic
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2015-11-01T03:41:38 < jadew> oh wait, there's more
2015-11-01T03:43:08 < kakimir> but it's still missing the secret sauce
2015-11-01T03:44:48 < jadew> ok, I found something closer to me
2015-11-01T03:45:15 < jadew> North Pontid I think
2015-11-01T03:45:32 < jadew> and I'm pretty sure I groped the chick from that picture when I was in highschool
2015-11-01T03:45:36 < kakimir> my face quite long and not that round and my nose is longer
2015-11-01T03:46:22 < jadew> I have a nose problem too :P
2015-11-01T03:48:21 < kakimir> it's not a problem
2015-11-01T03:54:15 < kakimir> secret sauce may be east nordid as longer face and same area
2015-11-01T03:54:52 < kakimir> face outline matches mine
2015-11-01T04:06:15 < kakimir> north pontid has more ears angled down and nose is pretty much what I have
2015-11-01T04:06:33 < kakimir> that must be secret sauce then
2015-11-01T04:07:21 < kakimir> also that woman face looks a lot like my sister
2015-11-01T04:07:58 < kakimir> jadew: we are cousins then!
2015-11-01T04:08:21 < jadew> I'm sure we're related :)
2015-11-01T04:18:51 < kakimir> but I'm bit shocked I can't find much nordic at all
2015-11-01T04:19:49 < kakimir> quite great difference there
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2015-11-01T04:51:50 < kakimir> also between Lappid and Baltid
2015-11-01T04:56:21 < kakimir> Lappid is totally different
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2015-11-01T05:24:07 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaWpP95MwKw
2015-11-01T05:24:09 < jadew> YouTube: The Living Voice Approximately $2,000,000 System
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2015-11-01T06:11:56 < upgrdman> any eclipse pros in here? im doing c with a makefile. one of my make target is a debug server, so it will stay running until i manually kill it. any way to tell eclipse to let it run in the background? right now it waits then errors out if you try to do something.
2015-11-01T06:35:11 < bloated> upgrdman: on windows ? you can start the process from a batch file and have the batch file return immediately.
2015-11-01T06:35:33 < upgrdman> ya i know how to do that
2015-11-01T06:35:42 < upgrdman> but from within eclipse, i'd like to be able to do it too
2015-11-01T06:35:51 < bloated> don't know how to do that
2015-11-01T06:35:54 < upgrdman> k
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2015-11-01T07:14:20 < bloated> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/29/21/292F81B000000578-0-image-a-40_1432932711372.jpg
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2015-11-01T07:32:47 < jadew> I wonder how many dates that ass had
2015-11-01T07:39:09 < upgrdman> is it usb 3.0?
2015-11-01T07:41:50 < emeb_mac> He thought he was getting an eye test, but then - Surprise!
2015-11-01T07:43:09 < jadew> all we need now is real AI so he can feel molested
2015-11-01T07:43:50 < jadew> night o/
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2015-11-01T07:43:52 < ReadError> gday all
2015-11-01T07:44:00 < ReadError> was curious if anyone had any ideas..
2015-11-01T07:44:02 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/fiRi6
2015-11-01T07:44:17 < ReadError> HSERDY and PLL come up after a 'reset' via openocd
2015-11-01T07:44:23 < ReadError> but not on a fresh boot
2015-11-01T07:44:47 < ReadError> im resetting while its in the while waiting for the HSERDY
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2015-11-01T08:02:13 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/SoulfulFakeAlligator haha
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2015-11-01T08:23:57 < dongs> haha its funny to see how people are making assumptions here. Seems like its really hard to be patient and let the zano team just do their best. And yes, nobody is flawless. Ivan and robin appearing on the new forum shows that they actually care. So you should do too. This includes being patient and NOT crying for refunds you prefer now + making assumptions with no reason.
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2015-11-01T08:29:17 < emeb_mac> zano syndrome is the new Stockholm syndrome.
2015-11-01T08:55:57 < dongs> haha
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2015-11-01T10:41:30 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=803_1446342840
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2015-11-01T11:07:15 < mtbg> inspiring
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2015-11-01T11:42:54 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_eqjRaTf3Q
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2015-11-01T14:51:07 < ReadError> ran a test cycle on the t962, no fires *knockwood*
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2015-11-01T15:08:01 < Steffanx> Used the standard controller ReadError?
2015-11-01T15:08:18 < ReadError> yea just to test, I am going to reflash it
2015-11-01T15:09:35 < Steffanx> Also going to do the tape replacement thing?
2015-11-01T15:09:46 < ReadError> hmmm not seen that one
2015-11-01T15:10:04 < ReadError> the foil tape inside on the front?
2015-11-01T15:11:10 < Steffanx> Yeah, i remember i read something about that once.. it getting semi-burnt or just gave a terrible smell.
2015-11-01T15:11:31 < ReadError> already kinda smelled like cigarette smoke, but most things from china do at first
2015-11-01T15:11:45 < Steffanx> oh actually it's there too https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements
2015-11-01T15:12:10 < ReadError> oh nice, kapton
2015-11-01T15:12:25 < ReadError> they call me kaptain kapton
2015-11-01T15:12:57 < Steffanx> oh, so actually not the foil tape, but the masking tape
2015-11-01T15:13:35 < ReadError> might as well do that when i take it apart to flash, you done firmware mod?
2015-11-01T15:14:02 < Steffanx> i dont have a 962, just remember i read about it once.
2015-11-01T15:14:32 < Steffanx> It being not too great without some mods.
2015-11-01T15:15:15 < ReadError> starting on pick-n-place this week
2015-11-01T15:15:21 < ReadError> should keep me busy for a while
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2015-11-01T15:21:00 < Steffanx> going to modify some cnc or .. what's the plan?
2015-11-01T15:21:13 < ReadError> scratch build
2015-11-01T15:21:30 < ReadError> but w/ proper stuff, linear rails etc
2015-11-01T15:23:04 < ReadError> openpnp is coming along nicely, they have the guy over in shenzhen working full time on it
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2015-11-01T16:08:28 < jadew> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10494677_10204724311169842_3844013108582738726_n.jpg?oh=4a095a5972f51fd1d27457d827238d32&oe=56B59C14
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2015-11-01T16:28:42 < jadew> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11889687_10205211560870780_3819556535842885208_n.jpg?oh=e8727469d3bf3e48318a05599ab303d0&oe=56B428CF
2015-11-01T16:29:19 < munki> jadew:
2015-11-01T16:29:23 < munki> what's up
2015-11-01T16:29:27 < munki> good morning to you
2015-11-01T16:29:40 < jadew> morning
2015-11-01T16:30:22 < Steffanx> jadew, how do you call this guy of the first  photo on the left?
2015-11-01T16:30:36 < munki> st nick?
2015-11-01T16:30:37 < jadew> Steffanx, a priest
2015-11-01T16:31:00 < Steffanx> hmm, but there is no special "holiday"-ish thing for that guy in romania?
2015-11-01T16:31:08 < jadew> probably one that's higher in rank
2015-11-01T16:31:25 < jadew> Steffanx, well, considering that he's a bunny underneeth... easter?
2015-11-01T16:31:43 < jadew> probably christmas
2015-11-01T16:31:56 < Steffanx> Nah, here in dutchland we actually have that cholicate man with the proper figure inside.
2015-11-01T16:32:34 < jadew> I think we do too
2015-11-01T16:32:40 < jadew> it's probably Christmas
2015-11-01T16:32:42 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
2015-11-01T16:33:03 < jadew> oh right
2015-11-01T16:33:11 < jadew> that would be a week or so before Christams
2015-11-01T16:33:22 < Steffanx> ~3 weeks
2015-11-01T16:33:30 < jadew> yeah, we have that too
2015-11-01T16:34:08 < jadew> munki, nailed it
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2015-11-01T16:42:39 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Chip-Quik/SMD291SNL60T4/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuQDxh7mFZIabIem8XeQMrumaFHV%252bxtrzQ%2fUhpkPYxHLw%3d%3d first time ive seen this..
2015-11-01T16:42:47 < ReadError> 2-part solder paste
2015-11-01T16:44:13 < munki> probably conductive epoxy?
2015-11-01T16:44:16 < munki> or something
2015-11-01T16:44:17 < munki> who knows
2015-11-01T16:44:52 < munki> jadew: remember we were talking about USART clocks yesterday? now i'm trying to read a MIDI signal through USART but can't seem to get the clocking right (again) here's the scope readout http://gfycat.com/SkeletalLiquidKissingbug
2015-11-01T16:45:42 < munki> can't seem to get the SCLK to sync up with the data line
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2015-11-01T17:29:05 < jadew> munki, the clock line is from the MIDI device?
2015-11-01T17:36:53 < munki> the lower line is from the SCLK, the upper line is a midi device with knob being turned
2015-11-01T17:37:09 < munki> i think i just need to figure out the damn algorith for the usart baud rate
2015-11-01T17:37:20 < munki> this comment doesn't make any sense tbh
2015-11-01T17:38:01 < munki> http://pastebin.com/UyHtbzN6
2015-11-01T17:42:12 < munki> maybe the voltage from this chip is too high
2015-11-01T17:42:16 < munki> 4.8v output
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2015-11-01T18:04:08 < upgrdman> ReadError, im guessing its 2part just for long shelf life. its not like paste goes bad, it just separates. so people get all butt hurt if they get old paste, or if it wasnt rereidgerated, etc.
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2015-11-01T18:27:18 < ReadError> upgrdman yea makes sense, just never seen it sold like that
2015-11-01T18:27:34 < upgrdman> me neither :)
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2015-11-01T19:21:55 < upgrdman> wtf  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/07/south-korea-drugs-dead-babies
2015-11-01T19:22:58 < karlp> huh, my l1 disco has 0 for the temp sense calibration bytes and vref calibration bytes?
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2015-11-01T19:55:32 < Laurenceb_> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8259663&cid=50842351
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2015-11-01T20:08:22 < karlp> oh right, that's right, this is an errata item for l1.  "no calibration for you"
2015-11-01T20:12:32 < jadew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/whats-your-work-benchlab-look-like-post-some-pictures-of-your-lab/?action=dlattach;attach=149162;image
2015-11-01T20:14:45 < ReadError> surpised I dont see any piss jugs laying around
2015-11-01T20:15:13 < karlp> hrm, datasheet says my revision of chipid doesn't exist. I must hav ea very early stm32l discovyer board
2015-11-01T20:15:24 < jadew> yeah, I would have said "enough" way before getting there
2015-11-01T20:16:13 < jadew> there's a lot of useless stuff hanging from the walls
2015-11-01T20:16:29 < ReadError> 15 year old digital cameras
2015-11-01T20:16:32 < ReadError> like 20 of them lol
2015-11-01T20:16:35 < jadew> yeah :P
2015-11-01T20:17:07 < jadew> CDs, duct tape...
2015-11-01T20:17:08 < ReadError> iphone probably takes better pics than any of them too
2015-11-01T20:17:20 < jubatu_> no
2015-11-01T20:17:40 < ReadError> i bet that chair is disgusting too
2015-11-01T20:17:52 < jadew> all chairs are
2015-11-01T20:18:03 < ReadError> I have a mesh one ;p
2015-11-01T20:18:10 < jadew> and I had one in a similar shape too
2015-11-01T20:18:18 < jadew> I have a mesh one too, but I gave up on it
2015-11-01T20:18:44 < jadew> I realized that I want one with a solid base
2015-11-01T20:19:00 < ReadError> tbh im suprised it hasnt stretched out or anything
2015-11-01T20:19:01 < jadew> the mesh makes it difficult not to have constant pressure on your ass
2015-11-01T20:19:12 < ReadError> this one is pretty 'stiff'
2015-11-01T20:19:14 < jadew> which results in roids
2015-11-01T20:19:31 < ReadError> http://www.hermanmiller.com/products/seating/performance-work-chairs/aeron-chairs.html
2015-11-01T20:19:34 < ReadError> good investment ;p
2015-11-01T20:20:08 < jadew> I know it, I considered it too, but it didn't have a headrest
2015-11-01T20:20:35 < jadew> got the ergo human instead - poor chair
2015-11-01T20:20:35 < ReadError> they have one you can add
2015-11-01T20:20:45 < ReadError> but havent bothered
2015-11-01T20:21:11 < jadew> and now I have an ikea one and still miss my previous chair (the one with the ripped cloth)
2015-11-01T20:21:42 < jadew> that one was from a single wood piece, very wide and... well, big!
2015-11-01T20:21:50 < jadew> and I could sit anyway I wanted in it
2015-11-01T20:21:59 < jadew> without puttin any strain on my back or my ass
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2015-11-01T20:33:32 < Laurenceb_> if we are posting crazy shit
2015-11-01T20:33:34 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=38577.0,3Battach=1076194,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.L5Gv032Cc-.jpg
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2015-11-01T20:34:25 < jadew> what's that?
2015-11-01T20:34:54 < Laurenceb_> EMdrive
2015-11-01T20:37:08 < jadew> I take it it doesn't work
2015-11-01T20:37:29 < ReadError> emZano
2015-11-01T20:38:57 < jadew> that would make billions
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2015-11-01T20:41:02 < jadew> you could say you're working on an EM drive and that all the backers will receive the plans to build one and fly out of this world
2015-11-01T20:41:10 < jadew> you do nothing for two years
2015-11-01T20:41:14 < jadew> they start moaning
2015-11-01T20:41:22 < jadew> and you decide to give them the plans you have so far
2015-11-01T20:41:41 < jadew> you send them the plans to something that blows up
2015-11-01T20:41:50 < Laurenceb_> so you send them a photo of a trombone
2015-11-01T20:42:05 < jadew> all the idiots are wiped out and no more scams get funded
2015-11-01T20:43:37 < kakimir> is it that scam money just sits there to be collected
2015-11-01T20:44:08 < kakimir> by zanoers
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2015-11-01T21:43:38 < upgrdman> :) http://i.imgur.com/IEJtwyn.gifv
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2015-11-01T22:38:27 < jadew> ffs, the focusing algorithm on my phone sucks
2015-11-01T22:38:33 < jadew> I can see it going through perfect focus
2015-11-01T22:38:37 < jadew> and then it reverts to shit
2015-11-01T22:39:59 < jadew> and no manual focus
2015-11-01T22:41:17 < jadew> this is so freaking frustrating
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2015-11-01T22:43:09 < kakimir> my whole camera sucks
2015-11-01T22:43:15 < kakimir> everything about it
2015-11-01T22:43:25 < jadew> that's a different story
2015-11-01T22:43:31 < jadew> this camera sucks too
2015-11-01T22:43:54 < kakimir> and samsuck ripped me off 250eur for that piece of crap
2015-11-01T22:44:08 < jadew> I'm an idiot
2015-11-01T22:44:18 < jadew> I forgot I can just move the subject...
2015-11-01T22:44:32 < jadew> what phone do you have?
2015-11-01T22:44:52 < kakimir> google xcover 3
2015-11-01T22:45:12 < jadew> ok, this ig oing to be a cool video
2015-11-01T22:45:57 < kakimir> successor of rugged phone series that wasn't rugged at all. screen was shattered in the first week
2015-11-01T22:46:08 < Laurenceb_> mechanical question: are Metric nuts usually coarse pitch or fine?
2015-11-01T22:46:09 < jadew> ah
2015-11-01T22:46:13 < jadew> I have an s4 mini 2
2015-11-01T22:46:54 < jadew> the camera sucks and doesn't source current from its USB port
2015-11-01T22:46:58 < jadew> otherwise I'm happy with it
2015-11-01T22:47:00 < jadew> small and light
2015-11-01T22:47:10 < kakimir> then it leaks water in display - that is crappiest display I have seen in a 2015 phone
2015-11-01T22:47:39 < zyp> that's because you haven't installed ios 8
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2015-11-01T22:48:14 < kakimir> they also ruined one button flashlight property
2015-11-01T22:48:31 < kakimir> open screen first. please
2015-11-01T22:48:38 < jadew> I'm about to film some microbes I've been growing for the past week :D
2015-11-01T22:48:54 < jadew> this is going to be fun!
2015-11-01T22:48:55 < mitrax> jadew: growing where? :/
2015-11-01T22:49:02 < jadew> on my bench of course :P
2015-11-01T22:49:06 < mitrax> phew
2015-11-01T22:49:08 < kakimir> microbes in your goo?
2015-11-01T22:49:28 < jadew> got them from a lake
2015-11-01T22:50:11 < kakimir> there was some alien balz in local fish farming pools
2015-11-01T22:50:45 < kakimir> black soft balls
2015-11-01T22:51:14 < mitrax> fish eggs?
2015-11-01T22:51:18 < kakimir> never heard what university dudes concluded about it
2015-11-01T22:51:37 < mitrax> maybe he died
2015-11-01T22:51:41 < kakimir> something like size of chicken egg
2015-11-01T22:51:48 < kakimir> longer
2015-11-01T22:52:01 < mitrax> that big? damn
2015-11-01T22:52:26 < kakimir> fauna here is pretty simple so anything like that is weird
2015-11-01T22:54:37 < Laurenceb_> pine tree... and another pine tree
2015-11-01T22:55:14 < Laurenceb_> probably almost as boring as northern US
2015-11-01T22:55:23 < aadamson> ok, got a systick question.  If its initialized for a 1ms interrupt.  It seems I have to disable it or turn off that interrupt before I can do an __WFI?  I guess all that makes sense as it is creating a interrpt.  So, which is the preferred way to disable it?
2015-11-01T22:55:48 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-11-01T22:55:56 < Laurenceb_> I dont think thats right
2015-11-01T22:56:07 < aadamson> oh and do I have to update the global PRIMASK?
2015-11-01T22:56:14 < Laurenceb_> __WFI will sleep until you get the interrupt
2015-11-01T22:56:17 < Laurenceb_> any interrupt
2015-11-01T22:56:43 < aadamson> Laurenceb_, correct, that's the issue if you have systick running and you want to only wake on RTC, you ahve to disable it before you sleep/stop
2015-11-01T22:56:51 < aadamson> I'm just curious of the preferred method of doing that
2015-11-01T22:57:03 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-11-01T22:57:15 < aadamson> e.g.     SysTick->CTRL  = SysTick_CTRL_CLKSOURCE_Msk |
2015-11-01T22:57:15 < Laurenceb_> shouldnt systick shut down?
2015-11-01T22:57:15 < aadamson>                      ~SysTick_CTRL_TICKINT_Msk   |
2015-11-01T22:57:15 < aadamson>                      SysTick_CTRL_ENABLE_Msk;                    /* Disable SysTick IRQ and SysTick Timer */
2015-11-01T22:57:19 < aadamson> it does not
2015-11-01T22:57:31 < Laurenceb_> what the heck
2015-11-01T22:57:34 < Laurenceb_> works on my boards
2015-11-01T22:57:46 < Laurenceb_> I do exactly that
2015-11-01T22:58:09 < aadamson> I noticed in the F0 examples, they set the priority to 4, that may help, but with systickc running - doing     /* Request to enter STOP mode with regulator in low power mode */
2015-11-01T22:58:09 < aadamson>     PWR_EnterSTOPMode(PWR_Regulator_LowPower, PWR_STOPEntry_WFI);
2015-11-01T22:58:12 < aadamson> doesn't stop
2015-11-01T22:58:16 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-11-01T22:58:20 < aadamson> killing the systick IRQ first does
2015-11-01T22:58:27 < Laurenceb_> ok I'm using F1, maybe F0 has weird clock tree
2015-11-01T22:58:35 < aadamson> l1 was the same btw
2015-11-01T22:58:42 < aadamson> not sure on an F1
2015-11-01T22:59:10 < aadamson> but now both L1 and F0 a re requiring me to disable the systick.  I found a number of references to this, but no good way to do that
2015-11-01T22:59:24 < aadamson> other than what I've done and for good measure I set the PRIMASK(0)
2015-11-01T23:00:03 < Laurenceb_> ok
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2015-11-01T23:01:39 < aadamson> I'm about to try some science experiment just to make sure it's related to systick, but fairly sure it is (won't sleep unless I stop systick)
2015-11-01T23:02:41 < aadamson> i kinda stumbled on to this because I wanted to save some power at startup (not related to sleep) and I was doing some thing in a do while with __WFI in it and it wasn't sleeping.  Then a realized I had init'd systick before I got to that code
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2015-11-01T23:05:53 < aadamson> http://www.flightradar24.com/CSA619/7dcd65e - check this out squawk - 7700
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2015-11-01T23:06:00 < aadamson> *live* I believe
2015-11-01T23:06:22 < aadamson> 3000 fpm descent
2015-11-01T23:06:39 < aadamson> may have lost pressure it seems, trying to get to 10k feet
2015-11-01T23:07:26 < zyp> or just get back for landing
2015-11-01T23:07:36 < aadamson> yeah
2015-11-01T23:08:10 < jadew> managed to get one in a drop of water but the bugger moves fast
2015-11-01T23:11:02 < kakimir> "Seven five, a man with a knive. Seven six, radio nix. Seven seven, I'm going to heaven."
2015-11-01T23:12:24 < aadamson> interesting, must not be too serious, they haven't cleared the airport, approaches and take offs still occuring
2015-11-01T23:12:42 < aadamson> but man they have them stacked up for departure
2015-11-01T23:15:42 < kakimir> 132knots?
2015-11-01T23:15:54 < zyp> did you try liveatc to check what's going on?
2015-11-01T23:16:00 < aadamson> I didn't
2015-11-01T23:16:20 < kakimir> is 126knots ok?
2015-11-01T23:16:26 < kakimir> landing speed
2015-11-01T23:16:42 < aadamson> depends on the airplane, seems a little slow however
2015-11-01T23:16:47 < aadamson> what is the altitude at amsterdamn?
2015-11-01T23:16:50 < aadamson> sealevel?
2015-11-01T23:16:58 < Laurenceb_> medic on the runway
2015-11-01T23:17:07 < Laurenceb_> erm 0feet
2015-11-01T23:17:08 < Laurenceb_> eek
2015-11-01T23:17:18 < kakimir> someone had seizure
2015-11-01T23:17:23 < aadamson> radar may suck down low
2015-11-01T23:17:33 < aadamson> ok, they brought in on the other runway
2015-11-01T23:17:54 < Laurenceb_> so many runways
2015-11-01T23:18:00 < kakimir> can you set this site to alarm when shit happens?
2015-11-01T23:18:14 < aadamson> nice short runway! :)
2015-11-01T23:18:36 < aadamson> hehe, but looks like he made the first turn off - slow approach helps it would seem
2015-11-01T23:18:54 < zyp> Laurenceb_, yeah, and every time I fly to AMS I always land on the one that's furthest away from the terminal, which means you'll spend the rest of the day taxiing
2015-11-01T23:18:54 < aadamson> kakimir, I'm not sure, probably if you pay for their services
2015-11-01T23:19:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah theres several km of taxi distance
2015-11-01T23:19:12 < Laurenceb_> crazy
2015-11-01T23:19:45 < zyp> i.e. that westmost one
2015-11-01T23:19:47 < aadamson> sheesh, you guys need to fly in to Denver, Co sometime... you taxi across interstates, etc
2015-11-01T23:20:02 < aadamson> might as well take the bus from landing to terminal
2015-11-01T23:20:35 < kakimir> live airplane crashes $$
2015-11-01T23:20:43 < aadamson> oh well, that was fun... probably happens more time in one than you'd imagine too
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2015-11-01T23:20:49 < zyp> I think the A5 you taxi across at AMS is also a pretty huge road
2015-11-01T23:21:28 < aadamson> even I had to do it once, but didn't declare an emergency, but was met by emergency vehicles all for an alternator belt the decided to disintegrate about 30 mins after take off...
2015-11-01T23:22:50 < kakimir> live airplane crashes with onboard camera feeds $$
2015-11-01T23:22:59 < aadamson> maybe I should talk to these guys and see if I can get premium service... I sponsor one of their ADSB boxes on a tall building in Atlanta, that over looks the jackson hartsfield airport
2015-11-01T23:22:59 < zyp> aadamson, fun fun
2015-11-01T23:23:05 < zyp> aadamson, you've got a PPL?
2015-11-01T23:23:36 < aadamson> zyp, yeah, with an instrument rating and 2 airplanes, course one needs to be finished being built :)
2015-11-01T23:23:42 < zyp> nice
2015-11-01T23:24:02 < aadamson> 250kt 2 seater. and a C182 with glass cockpit
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2015-11-01T23:24:22 < zyp> I'm tempted to get one myself, but it's expensive as fuck in norway, and I don't have that kind of money to waste yet
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2015-11-01T23:25:36 < aadamson> yeah, it's expensive everywhere... I got lucky when I got my PPL.  A work mate was a flight instructor trying to build time so he could get an airline job and so if I paid for the gas, he was all in :)
2015-11-01T23:25:37 < Steffanx> aadamson can't you do wfe and set the rtc to generate an event?
2015-11-01T23:26:26 < aadamson> Steffanx, perhaps, I haven't tried that, but I believe WFE has the same issue at least from the googling on the issue that I did, both WFI and WFE were referenced.  IN fact, it appears WFE is even more strange
2015-11-01T23:26:36 < aadamson> in that you have to call it twice in a row
2015-11-01T23:26:51 < aadamson> if an event it pending, and you call it it clears the pending, then goes to sleep
2015-11-01T23:27:11 < aadamson> but yes, in my application I could use *either* events or IRQ's to wake
2015-11-01T23:27:39 < zyp> I like the concept of SLEEPONEXIT better than WFI/WFE
2015-11-01T23:28:07 < aadamson> yep, makes more sense.
2015-11-01T23:28:24 < zyp> might require more code to get going, but probably less to get it right
2015-11-01T23:29:19 < zyp> if you have a thread scheduler, it's super easy to just set SLEEPONEXIT if there's no threads ready to run
2015-11-01T23:30:28 < ReadError> aadamson, get that PnP goin?
2015-11-01T23:30:47 < aadamson> nope, been too busy with a hand ful of other things :)
2015-11-01T23:31:01 < ReadError> see that amazing neoden4 vid?
2015-11-01T23:31:11 < aadamson> yeah
2015-11-01T23:31:18 < aadamson> what did they decided they wanted for that one?
2015-11-01T23:31:23 < aadamson> $$ wise?
2015-11-01T23:31:25 < ReadError> 6500 w/o conveyor
2015-11-01T23:31:29 < ReadError> 7500 with
2015-11-01T23:31:36 < ReadError> feeders are like 70-90 a pop
2015-11-01T23:31:54 < aadamson> ah, racks up fast, I have 53 feeders on mine
2015-11-01T23:32:07 < ReadError> yea ;/
2015-11-01T23:32:16 < englishman> aadamson: cool didnt know you had ppl
2015-11-01T23:32:19 < ReadError> machine looks nice though, video is hilariously bad though
2015-11-01T23:32:55 < aadamson> yeah, 3 cameras on mine too. one for fiducials, down looking from the dual head and 2 up looking for vision on both heads
2015-11-01T23:33:15 < aadamson> englishman, yeah and a Lancair legacy in a hanger that really needs to get finished :)
2015-11-01T23:33:42 < englishman> nice retirement project
2015-11-01T23:34:07 < aadamson> yeah, keep trying to figure out when that is going to happen... and technically I *am* retired :)
2015-11-01T23:35:07 < zyp> hmm, I've probably spent around $2k on pcb assembly across the stuff I've paid people to do
2015-11-01T23:35:56 < englishman> did you get your whizoo running
2015-11-01T23:36:02 < zyp> then again, that includes a bunch of pth connectors as well
2015-11-01T23:36:05 < englishman> kinda sucks theyve been away for months
2015-11-01T23:38:01 < ReadError> zyp, i will blog my experience with openpnp in the coming weeks
2015-11-01T23:39:07 < Steffanx> where does ReadError blog?
2015-11-01T23:39:16 < Steffanx> or dongs style irc blog?
2015-11-01T23:39:28 < ReadError> oh, irc blog and photolog i guess
2015-11-01T23:39:40 < ReadError> maybe notepad.txt
2015-11-01T23:39:45 < Steffanx> oh :(
2015-11-01T23:40:33 < ReadError> should i make a livejournal ?
2015-11-01T23:41:23 < Steffanx> anything that doesn't require me to actively follow irc is better than irc blogging
2015-11-01T23:41:59 < ReadError> alright ill keep good notes and details somewhere
2015-11-01T23:42:13 < ReadError> ive messed with the vision and smoothieboard so far
2015-11-01T23:42:19 < ReadError> waiting on parts to start showing up
2015-11-01T23:44:51 < ReadError> http://robotdigg.com/product/559/Headset+for+PNP+Machine
2015-11-01T23:45:13 < ReadError> that was the biggest timesaver and the part i worried most about doing from scratch
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2015-11-02T00:03:31 < aadamson> seems they just lost an engine - http://x264.nl/dump/csa619-what-problem.wav
2015-11-02T00:03:44 < aadamson> englishman, yeah have my oven working for some time, it's awesome
2015-11-02T00:07:09 < aadamson> biggest problem lately is I've been having to build a bunch of 0402 stuff and my eyes suck... it's just a few one offs and so not worth getting the PNP enabled for it, but man 0402 suck when you can tell the salt from the pepper grains :)
2015-11-02T00:07:26 < aadamson> s/can/can't
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2015-11-02T00:09:44 < aadamson> ah, englishman I didn't know they bailed on holiday...
2015-11-02T00:10:24 < aadamson> I talked to the guy on the phone once, he's another englishman in Ca, USA if I remember right.
2015-11-02T00:10:40 < aadamson> yeah cupertino
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2015-11-02T00:47:38 < jadew> ok... the video turned out kinda depressing
2015-11-02T00:48:46 < Sync> so overpriced Roklobsta
2015-11-02T00:48:48 < Sync> eh ReadError
2015-11-02T00:49:02 < Roklobsta> ok. if you say so.
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2015-11-02T00:50:37 < ReadError> Sync eh
2015-11-02T00:50:43 < ReadError> its pricey
2015-11-02T00:50:59 < ReadError> but not having to machine all those parts and source everything
2015-11-02T00:51:01 < ReadError> worth it
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2015-11-02T00:51:09 < Sync> idk
2015-11-02T00:51:36 < BMWMPower> Pffft busy with SPL library and I2C
2015-11-02T00:51:39 < Sync> I have plenty of linear rails on stock all the time
2015-11-02T00:51:50 < Sync> and those nema 8 with hollow shafts are pretty cheap out of china
2015-11-02T00:51:57 < BMWMPower> Pull up placed but no effort
2015-11-02T00:52:06 < ReadError> Sync nozzle adapters?
2015-11-02T00:52:07 < Sync> and machined parts are only a walk to the garage away
2015-11-02T00:52:10 < BMWMPower> Only when I shortcut
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2015-11-02T00:53:05 < Sync> they are just a turned part
2015-11-02T00:53:08 < ReadError> Sync yea, I could machine everything too
2015-11-02T00:53:14 < ReadError> but, I dont  want too ;/
2015-11-02T00:53:19 < ReadError> lazy + time
2015-11-02T00:55:31 < Sync> yeah sure, but I'd rather not spend $300 on that thing, I can make the parts quicker and cheaper
2015-11-02T00:59:03 < BMWMPower> Someone some experience with I2C
2015-11-02T00:59:05 < BMWMPower> ?
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2015-11-02T01:29:19 < BZmWMPower> hi
2015-11-02T01:29:43 < BZmWMPower> someone experience with I2C?
2015-11-02T01:30:01 < BZmWMPower> and STM32F10x?
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2015-11-02T01:30:12 < BZmWMPower> cortex-m3
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2015-11-02T01:33:06 < kakimir> ask
2015-11-02T01:33:28 < kakimir> most likely there is
2015-11-02T01:42:51 < Laurenceb_> hahaha I2C
2015-11-02T01:42:58 < Laurenceb_> hatebus
2015-11-02T01:43:32 < jadew> lol
2015-11-02T01:43:42 < Laurenceb_> I2C bus
2015-11-02T01:43:43 < Laurenceb_> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QnzjtrMQyBk/U2jIOPHkHhI/AAAAAAAAl6s/cTvGCGpErKk/s1600/Riding+the+Hate+Bus,+1961+%284%29.jpeg
2015-11-02T01:45:00 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2015-11-02T01:45:11 < Laurenceb_> someone made one in China
2015-11-02T01:45:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.triplefstudio.com/yokoso/images/normhate1.jpg
2015-11-02T01:45:48 < Laurenceb_> must be Chinese and American I2C versions
2015-11-02T01:47:58 < kakimir> what is this?
2015-11-02T01:48:43 < Laurenceb_> when an I2C bus operates, lots of mini busses run up and down carrying the data
2015-11-02T01:48:48 < Laurenceb_> those are the busses
2015-11-02T01:51:14 < kakimir> oh
2015-11-02T01:51:23 < kakimir> good to know
2015-11-02T01:51:30 < Laurenceb_> they hate you and
2015-11-02T01:51:35 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-02T01:51:35 < Laurenceb_> THEY HATE AMERICA
2015-11-02T01:51:56 < kakimir> hmm
2015-11-02T01:52:07 < kakimir> who doesn't
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2015-11-02T01:56:05 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-11-02T01:56:45 < dongs> < Laurenceb_> http://www.triplefstudio.com/yokoso/images/normhate1.jpg
2015-11-02T01:57:00 < dongs> Laurenceb_: there's some trash liek this running aorund here, its some nutty jap political shits
2015-11-02T01:57:18 < dongs> they got huge red circles on thier car/van and blaring some commie propaganda through speakers
2015-11-02T01:57:28 < dongs> shit nobody even gives a fuck about
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2015-11-02T01:59:25 < Sync> rolling around in a volkSWAGon
2015-11-02T01:59:34 < Laurenceb_> yo dongs we know your peoples secret
2015-11-02T01:59:36 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dormantideas.com/DIPIcs/places/IsraeliSupremeCourt50-40pct.jpg
2015-11-02T01:59:37 < dongs> any news on the egypt jet? is everyone ded
2015-11-02T01:59:45 < Laurenceb_> jew did it
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2015-11-02T02:02:40 < Sync> dongs: yep
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2015-11-02T02:05:23 < Sync> However, Islami claimed: 'Experts have affirmed that technically planes at this altitude cannot be shot down, and the black box will be the one that will reveal the reasons for the crash,' according to state news agency MENA.
2015-11-02T02:05:27 < Sync> wat
2015-11-02T02:05:36 < Sync> that depends on your armament!
2015-11-02T02:05:38 < Laurenceb_> lol sure
2015-11-02T02:05:51 < Laurenceb_> I suspect a buk could shoot it down
2015-11-02T02:06:08 < Laurenceb_> or a condom with a hand grenade and lots of luck
2015-11-02T02:06:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/471436/ISIS-condom-bombs-Russia
2015-11-02T02:07:12 < bloated> is that as reliable as the dailymail or less ?
2015-11-02T02:07:59 < bloated> plane might have been shot down if it was at a low altitude due to technical problems
2015-11-02T02:08:40 < Laurenceb_> lol technical problem
2015-11-02T02:08:43 < Laurenceb_> a missile
2015-11-02T02:09:11 < jadew> heh
2015-11-02T02:10:30 < jadew> if it was anything but russian, they'd still say that
2015-11-02T02:10:31 < Sync> too bad all those terrorists only have boring SAMs
2015-11-02T02:11:02 < Sync> I'd love to see what an S400 would to against western aircraft
2015-11-02T02:11:15 < Sync> ~do
2015-11-02T02:13:43 < Sync> well, an S300 system would also be nice
2015-11-02T02:13:46 < Sync> and I mean, why not
2015-11-02T02:13:57 < Sync> pfft
2015-11-02T02:16:53 < Sync> what happened to the iranian s400 deal
2015-11-02T02:17:13 < Sync> ah
2015-11-02T02:25:34 < Sync> well, I read that they tried to reneg to s400 systems, but eh who cares
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2015-11-02T02:38:00 < jadew> does anyone know what "vines" is?
2015-11-02T02:38:42 < upgrdman_> shitty short video clips
2015-11-02T02:38:46 < jadew> I keep bumping into that, usually stupid videos that aren't funny and that I would never watch
2015-11-02T02:38:47 < upgrdman_> like twitter meets youtube
2015-11-02T02:38:58 < jadew> ah
2015-11-02T02:39:01 < jadew> ok, thanks
2015-11-02T02:39:25 < jadew> now it all makes sense
2015-11-02T02:39:32 < upgrdman_> glad to be of service
2015-11-02T02:40:15 < dongs> > stupid videos that aren't funny and that I would never watch
2015-11-02T02:40:19 < dongs> pretty much just described vines
2015-11-02T02:40:37 < dongs> my favorite is periscoping tho
2015-11-02T02:41:03 < dongs> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=periscoping
2015-11-02T02:41:19 < jadew> before I click on that
2015-11-02T02:41:28 < jadew> I bet it's related to "upskirt"
2015-11-02T02:41:32 < dongs> nup
2015-11-02T02:41:46 < dongs> there's the legit newfag thing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periscope_(app)
2015-11-02T02:41:59 < dongs> and the old ^ urbandictionary link
2015-11-02T02:42:02 < Laurenceb_> hahaha infowarz
2015-11-02T02:42:14 < Laurenceb_> where is your conspiracy now guyz
2015-11-02T02:42:22 < dongs> Laurenceb_: wat
2015-11-02T02:42:29 < Laurenceb_> www.infowars.com/russians-threaten-to-shoot-down-israeli-aircraft/
2015-11-02T02:42:38 < Laurenceb_> nothing about whats actually getting shot down
2015-11-02T02:43:09 < jadew> I didn't know periscoping was called that, but I totally did it
2015-11-02T02:45:06 < aadamson> hehe - Routing on 2 layers sucked, but - complete with HF and VHF/UHF radio - dang, I'm going to hate making this board... - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/Tiny-3.png
2015-11-02T02:45:15 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Alex_Jones#Alex_Jones.27_Jewish_Connections
2015-11-02T02:46:16 < jadew> I used to think that Alex Jones was that young guy with the map on his wall
2015-11-02T02:46:40 < jadew> only recently I learned it's the fat guy
2015-11-02T02:47:00 < Laurenceb_> aadamson: is that a balloon tracker?
2015-11-02T02:47:17 < Laurenceb_> why so many crystals
2015-11-02T02:47:52 < Laurenceb_> oh HF as well, nice
2015-11-02T02:47:58 < aadamson> different frequencies , there is one part on the board that can only work with 25 or 27mhz
2015-11-02T02:48:02 < aadamson> and yeh HF
2015-11-02T02:48:07 < Laurenceb_> how do you generate it?
2015-11-02T02:48:48 < Laurenceb_> and how are you going to fit the multiple antenna?
2015-11-02T02:48:50 < aadamson> si5351a can be made to so just about any frequency and it's 50 ohm output
2015-11-02T02:49:00 < aadamson> vertical dipoles
2015-11-02T02:49:06 < aadamson> already been done
2015-11-02T02:49:24 < Laurenceb_> but you need 434 as well?
2015-11-02T02:49:40 < aadamson> why, you can do 434 on a 144mhz antenna (with a smidge of gain)
2015-11-02T02:49:47 < Laurenceb_> oh I guess lol
2015-11-02T02:49:55 < Laurenceb_> but then you need 25/27 as well?
2015-11-02T02:50:19  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2015-11-02T02:50:35 < aadamson> yeah, 2 antennas. and the 25/27 is just the LO frequency on the HF radio, the HF freq will be 20 or 30 meters
2015-11-02T02:51:05 < aadamson> the minicircuits LPF solved another problem too, it's completely flat from 490 to 0 which is good
2015-11-02T02:51:14 < aadamson> 490mhz
2015-11-02T02:51:41 < aadamson> output on HF will be around 10-15mW is all at 2.4v
2015-11-02T02:53:30 < aadamson> vctcxo on the silabs radio so i can do true fm modulate afsk (already know that works, flew one recently)
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2015-11-02T04:13:54 < dongs> A serious case can be made for fraud since they showed/sold a very different product compared to what they actually delivered. It's like showing off a ferrari and getting a 10 year old cheap car. It included features that were just manufactured and video-edited ideas and concepts, but pretended as such it was a working prototype. The real Zano doesn't even come close to being able to live up to those pretences.
2015-11-02T04:14:07 < dongs> I feel Kickstarter is partially responsible for allowing companies to pre-sell product A, but then letting them deliver a vastly inferior product B.
2015-11-02T04:14:10 < dongs> There is a case to be made that we did not receive the Zano/pledge reward as described in the original pre-sale.
2015-11-02T04:15:29 < dongs> Wow , December 18th to January 8 2016 vacation that's 21 days I know where I work we passed up our vacation until all deadlines were met. But everyone has their own standard . Five days, ten days I could see when you have this many people waiting.
2015-11-02T04:15:33 < dongs> haha
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2015-11-02T04:40:27 < upgrdman_> dongs, any idea what typical vacation/pto length is typical for EEs?
2015-11-02T04:41:48 < gxti> a kickstarter underdelivering? unheard of
2015-11-02T04:42:28 < dongs> upgrdman_: none, in japan
2015-11-02T04:42:34 < upgrdman_> srsly?
2015-11-02T04:42:35 < dongs> you work 9-9 7 days a week
2015-11-02T04:42:45 < dongs> then go to drikning after work parties
2015-11-02T04:42:47 < dongs> once a week
2015-11-02T04:42:48 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-11-02T04:42:53 < gxti> (mandatory)
2015-11-02T04:42:56 < dongs> (yes)_
2015-11-02T04:43:01 < upgrdman_> i think i get 3 or 4 weeks of PTO per year
2015-11-02T05:12:11 < dongs> https://www.verical.com/pd/analog-devices-controlled-oscillator-hmc512lp5e-1013188 why the hell is this so expensive
2015-11-02T05:12:45 < emeb_mac> because of the giga-hurts
2015-11-02T05:13:13 < emeb_mac> also, because Analog Devices. Nothing they do is cheap
2015-11-02T05:16:11 < dongs> some chinaman is asking me to bounce this to HK for him
2015-11-02T05:18:17 < dongs> i wodner if hes going to do something illegal
2015-11-02T05:18:32 < emeb_mac> is it restricted sale?
2015-11-02T05:18:32 < dongs> oh, ADI bought hittitte or whatever?
2015-11-02T05:18:35 < dongs> yes
2015-11-02T05:18:43 < dongs> thats why he cant buy it
2015-11-02T05:18:51 < emeb_mac> gets dicey
2015-11-02T05:19:02 < emeb_mac> if you get caught then bad shit happens.
2015-11-02T05:19:17 < dongs> waht do you do at those GHZ anyway
2015-11-02T05:19:18 < emeb_mac> but not many folks get caught
2015-11-02T05:19:20 < dongs> 9-10ghz wat
2015-11-02T05:19:42 < emeb_mac> Some kinds of communications I'd guess.
2015-11-02T05:19:43 < dongs> SATCOM
2015-11-02T05:19:44 < dongs> Military End-Use
2015-11-02T05:19:49 < dongs> sounds pretty pro
2015-11-02T05:19:53 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-11-02T05:20:31 < dongs> surprisingly, digikey.jp lets me add it to cart
2015-11-02T05:20:37 < dongs> must be just cockblockoed in china
2015-11-02T05:22:49 < upgrdman_> boom  http://gfycat.com/DeafeningBowedAmericanmarten
2015-11-02T05:22:55 < dongs> old
2015-11-02T05:23:05 < dongs> can tell by jpeg artifacts
2015-11-02T05:25:38 < upgrdman_> i think i've seen this before, but lol:  http://i.imgur.com/zTyfHGs.jpg
2015-11-02T05:30:24 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-02T05:30:32 < dongs> thats the guy where the thing exploed into the ass
2015-11-02T05:30:37 < dongs> i bet that feels really shitty
2015-11-02T05:36:43 < upgrdman_> anyone have a usb/can bus adapter they like?
2015-11-02T05:36:57 < dongs> i have that microchip shite
2015-11-02T05:37:30 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/Developmenttools/ProductDetails.aspx?PartNO=APGDT002
2015-11-02T05:37:31 < dongs> i think this
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2015-11-02T05:38:22 < upgrdman_> does it only monitor? i need to communicate.
2015-11-02T05:38:32 < dongs> no of course you can comminucate
2015-11-02T05:38:36 < dongs> you can send/make frames and shit
2015-11-02T05:38:40 < dongs> and monitor exisint traffic
2015-11-02T05:39:30 < dongs> lol @ microshit trying to give discount on pic32
2015-11-02T05:39:36 < dongs> zanoguys probly paid fullprice
2015-11-02T05:40:44 < dongs> anyway, that thing works. im not claiming its hte best one or whatever but thats wat i used
2015-11-02T05:40:50 < dongs> you could just make some STM32 USB>CAN shit yourself
2015-11-02T05:40:53 < dongs> if you juts wanna dick with it
2015-11-02T05:40:59 < dongs> i think zyp made some breakout or something for it
2015-11-02T05:41:52 < upgrdman_> i need to communicate and test a board that uses CAN. so will need to communicate programmatically.
2015-11-02T05:42:18 < upgrdman_> this should be fun, i get to write the firmware, and write the test software, and i have never used CAN before
2015-11-02T05:43:01 < dongs> then get that microchip shit
2015-11-02T05:43:07 < dongs> you will at least have known working device
2015-11-02T05:43:20 < dongs> i duno if you can script the app (never cared) but you can make up + send predefined messages and shit
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2015-11-02T05:56:34 < upgrdman_> "approaching" ? you have to use it or loose it?
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2015-11-02T05:58:01 < upgrdman_> so if you dont use them, you loose 10?
2015-11-02T05:58:10 < upgrdman_> that sux :(
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2015-11-02T06:00:13 < upgrdman_> you should
2015-11-02T06:00:29 < upgrdman_> more pretty girl though
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2015-11-02T06:04:32 < upgrdman_> goat simulator 2015
2015-11-02T06:18:48 < emeb_mac> "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. I would like you to join my professional network on LinkedIn."
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2015-11-02T07:23:36 < upgrdman_> is that like xmbcc?
2015-11-02T07:23:43 < upgrdman_> err xbmcc
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2015-11-02T07:29:38 < GargantuaSauce> xbmc is stabler
2015-11-02T07:29:41 < GargantuaSauce> which is saying something
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2015-11-02T09:22:52 < upgrdman> reading customer reviews of the new dell xps 15
2015-11-02T09:22:57 < upgrdman> lol:  "No software ie. Word Programs, Windows Media Player etc. MS missed the mark with this one. As for this XPS 15, I presume as with Win 8.1 and 10 that Linux will not run on them or this Laptop.
2015-11-02T09:22:57 < upgrdman> Many techs I have conversed with are switching back to Win7 or to Linux, which is a more friendly and stable OS."
2015-11-02T09:23:12 < upgrdman> this dildo gave it a 1 star rating
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2015-11-02T09:26:39 < Roklobsta> kernel 4.3 will work.
2015-11-02T09:26:49 < Roklobsta> xps15.  I wannit.
2015-11-02T09:27:08 < upgrdman> me too
2015-11-02T09:27:27 < upgrdman> i was so close to getting the surface bro 4, but i think i want the bigger screen of the xps 15
2015-11-02T09:27:29 < Roklobsta> i'll keep an eye out on the Dell Outlet for cheapies
2015-11-02T09:27:48 < Roklobsta> Surface Brah doesn't run Linux, bro.
2015-11-02T09:28:21 < upgrdman> ya but linux's support of high dpi is still a joke, so i reluctantly keep linux in a vm these days
2015-11-02T09:28:32 < Roklobsta> Unless it's friggin' signed or some such shit.
2015-11-02T09:28:57 < Roklobsta> vendors are so bent on being obstructionist these days.
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2015-11-02T09:29:49 < Roklobsta> OSX El Capitan, even as root doesn't give you complete write/mod access to various dirs like /System any more.
2015-11-02T09:30:01 < upgrdman> lol really?
2015-11-02T09:30:06 < Roklobsta> nup
2015-11-02T09:30:34 < Roklobsta> i tried the other day, did a WTF and googled it.
2015-11-02T09:31:01 < upgrdman> were you trying to delete the eqiv of explorer.exe or someshit?
2015-11-02T09:31:19 < Roklobsta> you can apparently put the mac into some dev mode to futz with those dirs but OSX is becoming more and more like an iPad now.
2015-11-02T09:31:47 < Roklobsta> no, put an old version of Ruby 1.8 on so some old software would work.
2015-11-02T09:31:48 < upgrdman> its been two years and i still hate how os x does GUIs
2015-11-02T09:31:56 < upgrdman> stupid menu bar at top of screen
2015-11-02T09:32:00 < Roklobsta> Yosemite, no worries, El Capitan "GFY".
2015-11-02T09:32:10 < upgrdman> and no way to have finder always open a new window if you click its icon
2015-11-02T09:32:23 < Roklobsta> yeah it's a bit arse
2015-11-02T09:32:38 < upgrdman> also mouse acceleration is such a pain in the ass
2015-11-02T09:32:42 < upgrdman> easy to fix at the command line
2015-11-02T09:32:44 < upgrdman> but wtf
2015-11-02T09:33:04 < Roklobsta> i do IT for a few schools as they love macs.  good for me the other IT goobers react like you squirted lemon juice in their eyes when you mention mac.  more work for me.
2015-11-02T09:33:19 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-11-02T09:34:07 < Roklobsta> one IT guy phoned me to ask for help, I mentioned opening the terminal and messing with bash and I heard his head explode on the other end of the phone.
2015-11-02T09:34:45 < upgrdman> becasue he didnt know its possible, or because he cant handle a command line?
2015-11-02T09:34:55 < Roklobsta> good for many 90% of the IT guys in my small town seem to have been drop forged in a Microsoft die.
2015-11-02T09:35:03 < Roklobsta> s/many/me
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2015-11-02T09:35:28 < Roklobsta> UNIXy command line blew his mind.
2015-11-02T09:35:42 < upgrdman> again
2015-11-02T09:35:43 < upgrdman> becasue he didnt know its possible, or because he cant handle a command line?
2015-11-02T09:35:49 < Roklobsta> latter
2015-11-02T09:35:56 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-02T09:36:56 < Roklobsta> GUI wastrels.
2015-11-02T09:37:13 < upgrdman> i always got half annoyed/half smug when i'de be in some computer science class, use a linux terminal to get somethign done quick, and people would freak out that computers still had command lines.
2015-11-02T09:37:50 < Roklobsta> yeah like using imagemagick to sort out a shitload of images quick smart.
2015-11-02T09:38:05 < upgrdman> shit even in windows 10 i often find myself doing the old keyboard start button > cmd > enter
2015-11-02T09:38:12 < Roklobsta> fuck win10.
2015-11-02T09:38:41 < upgrdman> 10 doesnt bother me too much. the start menu is super homo, but that can be fixed
2015-11-02T09:38:47 < Roklobsta> i am going to dig a c=64 and run irc on it.  the end.
2015-11-02T09:38:59 < Roklobsta> ClassicShell?
2015-11-02T09:39:14 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-02T09:39:18 < Roklobsta> Goodo.
2015-11-02T09:39:28 < upgrdman> that and hiding cortana
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2015-11-02T09:39:36 < upgrdman> who the fuck wants ot talk to their pc
2015-11-02T09:39:46 < Roklobsta> So many of my clients want to bash win8 and they become calm again after i put on classicshell.
2015-11-02T09:40:01 < upgrdman> the ONLY time i ever WANT to talk to my electronics is to my tv. it so fucking convenient to talk to my tv and have it bring up youtube videos
2015-11-02T09:40:32 < Roklobsta> But Samsung will keep forever the recordings of you fapping in front of the TV.
2015-11-02T09:40:53 < upgrdman> sony here
2015-11-02T09:41:01 < upgrdman> and my fapping isnt too loud
2015-11-02T09:41:02 < Roklobsta> I read Snapchat today decided it's keeping everything for it's own purposes.
2015-11-02T09:41:48 < Roklobsta> They must have a collectionf of skin jpgs and MP4's a mile high.
2015-11-02T09:42:50 < Roklobsta> I am sure the Feds will be interested in their collection of under 18 skin coloured selfies.
2015-11-02T09:42:53 < upgrdman> so is the xps 15 the only "premium" 15+" laptop out aside from the fagbook pro?
2015-11-02T09:43:21 < Roklobsta> Dunno, what turd have Asus got out in competition?
2015-11-02T09:43:38 < upgrdman> just 13" for premium level, iirc
2015-11-02T09:43:56 < upgrdman> i would be so happy for a premium 17" laptop
2015-11-02T09:44:18 < upgrdman> seems like the only ones are for gamers. so theyre like 40lbs and 4" thick and with a 4 minute battery life
2015-11-02T09:44:29 < Roklobsta> My damned Asus i7-QM720 here is 5.5 years old and won't die.
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2015-11-02T09:45:02 < tkoskine> Fujitsu has its Lifebook series, but I don't know should it be considered premium. (I have 13" S904 which is nice enough for me.)
2015-11-02T09:50:54 < Roklobsta> pah, all the XPS laptops on dell outlet .au are 4th gen cpu.  Gimme 6th gen.
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2015-11-02T10:42:41 < akaWolf> dongs: did you wrote .inf file for usb standart classes?
2015-11-02T10:43:14 < dongs> akaWolf: i've modified samples from winddk, sure
2015-11-02T10:43:21 < dongs> i didnt write one from scratch since thats really silly
2015-11-02T10:45:54 < akaWolf> yeah, I guess, all CDC drivers are already included in Win?
2015-11-02T10:46:04 < dongs> nope
2015-11-02T10:46:06 < dongs> none of htem are
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2015-11-02T10:46:16 < dongs> you need to copy one (like ST's) and modify for your shit + sign
2015-11-02T10:46:25 < akaWolf> dongs: I'm about driver
2015-11-02T10:46:26 < akaWolf> s
2015-11-02T10:46:28 < dongs> Or you can come up as ST's CDC vid+pid and reuse thier inf
2015-11-02T10:46:29 < akaWolf> not inf
2015-11-02T10:46:35 < dongs> drivers yes, but you still need inf
2015-11-02T10:46:44 < akaWolf> yeah, I need only inf, right?
2015-11-02T10:46:50 < dongs> right
2015-11-02T10:47:12 < akaWolf> there is still need to sign even standart drivers?
2015-11-02T10:47:16 < dongs> yes
2015-11-02T10:47:24 < akaWolf> it's strange.. why so?
2015-11-02T10:47:48 < dongs> to make sure dicks dont hax0r kernel drivers
2015-11-02T10:48:22 < dongs> if youre just making CDC, take vid+pid from ST's drivers
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2015-11-02T10:51:25 < akaWolf> dongs: it's microchip dev
2015-11-02T10:51:41 < dongs> does microshit have any signed CDC samples?
2015-11-02T10:53:01 < akaWolf> yeah, inf files
2015-11-02T10:53:08 < akaWolf> with cat
2015-11-02T10:53:56 < dongs> so just use those
2015-11-02T10:54:00 < dongs> pick same vid/pid
2015-11-02T10:54:00 < dongs> done
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2015-11-02T10:54:59 < akaWolf> one problem: they are written for Win 7 max, need to works with Win 10 too
2015-11-02T10:55:16 < dongs> how do you know?
2015-11-02T10:55:46 < akaWolf> what? that written for Win 7 max?
2015-11-02T10:55:50 < dongs> yes
2015-11-02T10:56:00 < dongs> afaik inf for cdc hasnt changed since win2k
2015-11-02T10:56:16 < akaWolf> didnt working under Win 10, I guess
2015-11-02T10:57:07 < akaWolf> maybe digital sign differs
2015-11-02T10:57:10 < akaWolf> dont know
2015-11-02T10:57:55 < akaWolf> ok, need to try by itself
2015-11-02T10:58:02 < dongs> it should be fine
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2015-11-02T11:06:28 < Cyric> what is a GUI SCP for centos?
2015-11-02T11:06:38 < Cyric> like winscp
2015-11-02T11:06:48 < dongs> wuat.
2015-11-02T11:07:02 < dongs> make sure you're in the right channel
2015-11-02T11:07:07 < akaWolf> :)
2015-11-02T11:07:26 < akaWolf> is it channel about anime?
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2015-11-02T11:07:45 < qyx> Cyric: try ssh://user@host in the file manager
2015-11-02T11:07:56 < Cyric> lol sorry... i thought you also need to pass some file into a linux embedded system :)
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2015-11-02T11:08:08 < dongs> I pass files into windows embedded
2015-11-02T11:08:11 < dongs> by using real GUIs
2015-11-02T11:08:31 < Cyric> lol windows embedded...
2015-11-02T11:08:37 < akaWolf> Cyric: I use terminal-like programs...
2015-11-02T11:09:15 < Cyric> yes but i have a bunch of files that i have to copy in many different dir
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2015-11-02T11:09:27 < Cyric> gui would be better
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2015-11-02T11:09:38 < dongs> yep, thats why I use windows
2015-11-02T11:09:46 < dongs> basic tasks like "copying many files into different dir" is simple
2015-11-02T11:09:51 < dongs> all those cli lunix fgts can SUCK IT
2015-11-02T11:10:20 < akaWolf> Cyric: http://stackoverflow.com/a/299714
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2015-11-02T11:10:37 < dongs> fish://
2015-11-02T11:10:41 < dongs> more like phish://
2015-11-02T11:10:50 < PaulFertser> Cyric: Dolphin in KDE, other stuff in other DE, all support sshfs://
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2015-11-02T11:12:07 < akaWolf> «FYI, fish://servername also works in Dolphin.»
2015-11-02T11:12:11 < ReadError> filezilla
2015-11-02T11:12:21 < dongs> lunix: all about choice
2015-11-02T11:12:28 < dongs> of having 100 broken pieces of shit
2015-11-02T11:12:38 < dongs> maybe one day you'll have a working web browser!
2015-11-02T11:12:47 < dongs> one that is truly FREE(tm)
2015-11-02T11:13:01 < ReadError> RMS doesnt even use a browser
2015-11-02T11:13:07 < ReadError> get on his level
2015-11-02T11:13:08 < dongs> i know
2015-11-02T11:13:14 < dongs> he emails? or FTPs or something a list of urls
2015-11-02T11:13:18 < ReadError> haha ya
2015-11-02T11:13:20 < ReadError> email
2015-11-02T11:13:21 < dongs> and some fucked up proxy emails him back
2015-11-02T11:13:22 < dongs> wiht pages
2015-11-02T11:13:41 < dongs> cuz thats all he can browse on his shitty fucking MIPS laptop
2015-11-02T11:13:50 < dongs> he owns that lemote or something china mips thing
2015-11-02T11:13:56 < dongs> cuz its gaping-open
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2015-11-02T11:16:13 < Cyric> thanks all
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2015-11-02T11:16:31 < Cyric> i tried with nautilius and it seems that has some problem...
2015-11-02T11:16:43 < Cyric> i will do it in bash
2015-11-02T11:16:53 < akaWolf> hehe
2015-11-02T11:16:58 < Cyric> no time to spent more time on it :D
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2015-11-02T11:17:22 < ReadError> Cyric did you check filezilla?
2015-11-02T11:18:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: you know surprisingly much about RMS!
2015-11-02T11:18:42 < PaulFertser> All true.
2015-11-02T11:20:28 < Cyric> ReadError: not yet
2015-11-02T11:20:34 < Cyric> i will do it
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2015-11-02T11:29:30 < Cyric> ReadError: it works great
2015-11-02T11:29:32 < Cyric> thanks
2015-11-02T11:29:41 < ReadError> np
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2015-11-02T11:55:07 < ReadError> dongs much difference in T3 vs T5 paste in practice?
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2015-11-02T12:23:08 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/02/helium_internet_of_things_platform/
2015-11-02T12:23:11 < Laurenceb_> whyyyyyy
2015-11-02T12:23:24 < Laurenceb_> Helium took the decision to develop its own MAC layer and software stack on top of the 802.15.4
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2015-11-02T12:33:50 < Laurenceb_> ping aadamson
2015-11-02T12:34:01 < Laurenceb_> is that a SAW filter on your board?
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2015-11-02T12:37:04 < DanteA> 12:18:44 <PaulFertser> dongs: you know surprisingly much about RMS!
2015-11-02T12:37:36 < Laurenceb_> lul
2015-11-02T12:37:58 < DanteA> All is simple: dongs is a secret adept of Stollman
2015-11-02T12:38:12 < Laurenceb_> dongs is stallman
2015-11-02T12:38:19 < DanteA> Yeah
2015-11-02T12:38:20 < Laurenceb_> would make sense
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2015-11-02T13:01:57 < dongs> ReadError: wtf is t3/t5 i have no idea
2015-11-02T13:02:10 < ReadError> solder ball size
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2015-11-02T13:18:02 < karlp> Laurenceb: 802.15.4 mac and up layers are all crazy and fragmetned.
2015-11-02T13:18:37 < karlp> helium probably didnt' want zigbee or thread or mist or.... so yeah, build another one
2015-11-02T13:18:46 < karlp> be nice if they all settled the fuck down one day
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2015-11-02T13:23:43 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/SilentExaltedDiamondbackrattlesnake RIP jadew
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2015-11-02T13:45:32 < ReadError> holy shit
2015-11-02T13:45:41 < ReadError> that dude got some airtime
2015-11-02T13:58:43 < Sync> pro
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2015-11-02T14:37:13 < karlp> heh, love the bike/smartcar/train/plane imagery
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2015-11-02T15:03:54 < Laurenceb> why does MS Word exist
2015-11-02T15:03:58 < Laurenceb> I hate this shit
2015-11-02T15:04:42 < jadew> you have to get off of the bike when you cross the road
2015-11-02T15:04:52 < jadew> it was clearly the biker's fault
2015-11-02T15:05:42 < Laurenceb> how do I make page headers that are unique for each page?
2015-11-02T15:06:20  * jadew is not an office person
2015-11-02T15:06:35 < jadew> but if they're unique for each page, maybe they're considered to be part of the page?
2015-11-02T15:07:19 < dongs> unique iun what sense?
2015-11-02T15:07:24 < dongs> different layout?
2015-11-02T15:07:27 < dongs> or different text?
2015-11-02T15:07:34 < dongs> tehre's macro stuff you can insert in hearders like page numberetc
2015-11-02T15:07:43 < dongs> if you want the shit "different" then dont fucking use headers
2015-11-02T15:07:47 < dongs> just do whatever on each page
2015-11-02T15:07:56 < dongs> winword isnt the problem, you are the problme
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2015-11-02T15:09:03 < Laurenceb> I need like
2015-11-02T15:09:32 < Laurenceb> Author: <NAME>  Date:<Today> Page:<n>/<Total>
2015-11-02T15:09:36 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-02T15:09:38 < dongs> you can do that.
2015-11-02T15:09:45 < Laurenceb> maybe I just hack the pdg in a hex editor
2015-11-02T15:09:50 < dongs> ...
2015-11-02T15:10:17 < Laurenceb> *pdf
2015-11-02T15:10:23 < dongs> dude.
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2015-11-02T15:11:03 < dongs> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-page-number-X-of-Y-to-a-document-1f273c7c-661c-4444-97b5-c7ec07270f16
2015-11-02T15:11:06 < dongs> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-headers-and-footers-98a28ebf-8bf5-478c-a91f-548aebe87725
2015-11-02T15:11:10 < dongs> etcv
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2015-11-02T15:11:18 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-11-02T15:11:23 < dongs> in autotext theres like 234214 things you can insert automatically
2015-11-02T15:11:29 < dongs> including author name
2015-11-02T15:11:30 < dongs> date
2015-11-02T15:11:30 < dongs> etc
2015-11-02T15:11:55 < dongs> apparently you can even do odifferent headers/footers dpeending on document section
2015-11-02T15:12:10 < Laurenceb> yet this is a couple of lines in latex
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2015-11-02T15:12:20 < dongs> couple HUNDRED line more like
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2015-11-02T15:23:10 < dongs> fuck this, going to sleep
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2015-11-02T16:29:22 < mitrax> on my board i have several peripherals (SDRAM / LCD / SDCARD) that i can shutdown individually to save power, when powering them down should i revert the corresponding pin states to "floating input"?
2015-11-02T16:29:43 < mitrax> i'm confused because the STM32 datasheet says "To avoid current consumption related to floating pins, they must either be configured in analog mode, or forced internally to a definite digital value"
2015-11-02T16:51:32 < Getty> dongs: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3r3m49/what_promising_kickstarter_did_you_back_fail_to/ - no zano yet ;)
2015-11-02T16:52:00 < scrts> mitrax: no, set a defined digital value
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2015-11-02T16:57:22 < mitrax> scrts: ok so for e.g sdram address and data bus pins i would pull them down to 0V to minimize consumption? that's not what i'd have figured intuitively :)
2015-11-02T16:57:25 < mitrax> thanks
2015-11-02T16:58:07 < scrts> in general, just leave them as-is
2015-11-02T16:58:27 < scrts> since you probably don't have access to the pins if you set interface as for sdram and not gpio
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2015-11-02T17:07:17 < emeb> If you're powering down the device that those pins are connected to it would probably be a good idea not to have logic high values on the outputs.
2015-11-02T17:08:50 < emeb> otherwise you'll forward bias the esd diodes on the inputs of the other device and pull current from your MCU pins into the power supply lines on the other end.
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2015-11-02T17:12:05 < Laurenceb> so dongs I heard go have a code of conduct
2015-11-02T17:12:19 < Laurenceb> why dont you visit their irc and have a talk about GNAA business
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2015-11-02T17:54:04 < karlp> meh, partner wants to toss the mps2460 and drop in some expensive TI part, can't figure out how to make the noise go away.
2015-11-02T17:54:10 < karlp> damn emc shitz
2015-11-02T17:54:46 < scrts> show the sch
2015-11-02T17:55:02 < scrts> can you move the frequency?
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2015-11-02T18:00:02 < karlp> anyone know what the weird bits on the side with the bias resistors are for? http://imgur.com/GWFVC6V
2015-11-02T18:01:15 < Sync> teh fack
2015-11-02T18:01:15 < karlp> scrts: current sch is http://imgur.com/X3qysMr
2015-11-02T18:01:25 < karlp> the other one is what they're proposing.
2015-11-02T18:01:30 < karlp> but I think it's all going to be layout,
2015-11-02T18:01:49 < karlp> we changed the layout earlier on this and it massively changed the noise and heat
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2015-11-02T18:02:08 < karlp> but an ex colleague was responsible for this part, I got no time for power and emc shit
2015-11-02T18:02:43 < karlp> Sync: yeah, what'
2015-11-02T18:02:49 < karlp> s the story with those caps on the lefT?
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2015-11-02T18:04:47 < karlp> stupid lm22670 datasheet has pcb layout recommendatin with caps not in the example schmatic.
2015-11-02T18:05:46 < karlp> scrts: you mean, can we move the freq of the noise?
2015-11-02T18:05:56 < karlp> or move the freq of the buck reg?
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2015-11-02T18:15:12 < upgrdman_> e ^ ln(foo) = foo, right?
2015-11-02T18:15:37 < Sync> karlp: minimized the loop area for D2, L4 and pin 1?
2015-11-02T18:20:24 < karlp> I believe so, but it could probably sitll be done better.
2015-11-02T18:21:00 < karlp> I think I'm just going to say, "knock yourself out, you have to make it fit, and you ahve to make it pass EMC, and we can work on saving an extra $ when we make a bigger batch
2015-11-02T18:21:37 < karlp> http://imgur.com/hs2rYDS highlighted is the switch pin net
2015-11-02T18:23:08 < Sync> hmm
2015-11-02T18:23:11 < Sync> looks reasonable
2015-11-02T18:24:12 < karlp> yeah, this was was way way way better than the first version of it.
2015-11-02T18:25:55 < karlp> any idea what the dude means with this stacked caps in that lm22670 schematic though? http://imgur.com/GWFVC6V
2015-11-02T18:26:12 < karlp> no clue on this 75k connecting "NC" and gnd either
2015-11-02T18:29:41 < gxti> karlp: you need some kind of load to balance the bias across caps when they're in series
2015-11-02T18:30:02 < karlp> gxti: yarh, thanks, was just getting that explained to me by someone who came back here
2015-11-02T18:30:11 < karlp> and the stack is just to get higher voltage rating if you have smaller ones on hand.
2015-11-02T18:30:14 < karlp> silly manufacturing trickss
2015-11-02T18:30:35 < gxti> so that whole mess functions as a 4.7u cap with double the working voltage
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2015-11-02T19:13:25 < aadamson> Laurenceb, no, it's an intergrated LPF good from DC to 490mhz cutoff
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2015-11-02T19:22:41 < Laurenceb> ah thats interesting
2015-11-02T19:22:51 < Laurenceb> any you have it connected to silabs?
2015-11-02T19:23:01 < Laurenceb> how did you model the impedance matching?
2015-11-02T19:23:04 < Laurenceb> spice?
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2015-11-02T19:27:18 < aadamson> yeah I used the SWITCHED match to get me to 50 ohm, then the LPF, then lightning and ESD protection post that
2015-11-02T19:27:48 < aadamson> and it works great.  on the 100mW version I see no loss through and have 100mW output at 3v
2015-11-02T19:28:30 < Laurenceb> sounds painful to optimise
2015-11-02T19:28:38 < Laurenceb> but yeah, ESD is a must
2015-11-02T19:28:51 < Laurenceb> Leo lost about 20 balloons that just died
2015-11-02T19:28:57 < Laurenceb> it was perplexing for ages :P
2015-11-02T19:29:18 < Laurenceb> turns out you can build up really high voltages over several days of flight
2015-11-02T19:29:30 < aadamson> for what it's worth (they aren't long enough to matter), I also coplanared the traces
2015-11-02T19:30:34 < Laurenceb> is there an stm32 on there?
2015-11-02T19:30:38 < aadamson> yeah, esd diode with a 5.1ohm resistor solves that, then I through in a filter for lightning for good measure
2015-11-02T19:30:40 < aadamson> yeah f0
2015-11-02T19:30:51 < aadamson> I did the layout for an L0 too
2015-11-02T19:30:53 < Laurenceb> cool
2015-11-02T19:30:59 < aadamson> just for kicks and giggle
2015-11-02T19:31:16 < Laurenceb> but I still dont follow how you are going to mount a ~27mhz antenna on there as well?
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2015-11-02T19:31:26 < aadamson> but its only 4mah current the way I do it anyway
2015-11-02T19:31:30 < aadamson> it won't be a 27mhz
2015-11-02T19:31:50 < aadamson> it will be 10.104xxx antenna - 5-7 meters long per side :)
2015-11-02T19:31:57 < aadamson> in 35 -37 awg wire
2015-11-02T19:31:59 < Laurenceb> oh ok
2015-11-02T19:32:14 < Laurenceb> but wont that interfere with the 144mhz antenna?
2015-11-02T19:32:32 < aadamson> I doubt they will even see one another, but time will tell :)
2015-11-02T19:32:45 < aadamson> I'll just use the long counterpoise on the VHF/UHF side
2015-11-02T19:32:51 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-11-02T19:32:58 < Laurenceb> I dunno lol
2015-11-02T19:33:01 < aadamson> and just a 1/4 wave radiator.
2015-11-02T19:33:10 < Laurenceb> I'm no antenna guru but it sounds tricky to make work
2015-11-02T19:34:35 < aadamson> it's all just science experiments as this point.  Silabs works really well as is
2015-11-02T19:35:01 < Laurenceb> yeah the really hard bit is envelope
2015-11-02T19:35:20 < Laurenceb> until you get the envelope fixed, then discover the battery dies
2015-11-02T19:35:29 < aadamson> yeah and I"m not worrying about that just yet
2015-11-02T19:35:47 < Laurenceb> and there is no battery tech that can last more than 4 months or so
2015-11-02T19:35:52 < aadamson> ah supercaps and day only solve that problem (with the problem of no night time
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2015-11-02T19:36:04 < aadamson> already have all of this running on solar only anyway
2015-11-02T19:36:11 < aadamson> supercap just smooths out the power
2015-11-02T19:36:15 < Laurenceb> thats what happened to Leo, he got a bit bored of it as there wasnt a easy next step
2015-11-02T19:36:26 < aadamson> and weighs less that battery
2015-11-02T19:36:30 < Laurenceb> and itd literally take years to test stuff
2015-11-02T19:36:36 < aadamson> yep
2015-11-02T19:36:42 < Laurenceb> ok, sounds good
2015-11-02T19:36:52 < Laurenceb> supercap backed ram?
2015-11-02T19:36:53 < aadamson> thats why I'm cherry picking the easier parts - radios, etc :)
2015-11-02T19:37:12 < Laurenceb> Leo pretty much sorted envelope construction
2015-11-02T19:37:21 < Laurenceb> but he didnt document it very well :-/
2015-11-02T19:37:36 < Laurenceb> luckily I'm familiar with all the details as I got heavily involved
2015-11-02T19:37:43 < aadamson> no don't need backed up ram, just right params for history or boot up to flash before power down, restore on power back up
2015-11-02T19:38:03 < Laurenceb> turns out pre-stretch or "tempering" is very important
2015-11-02T19:39:14 < aadamson> yeah, so I've heard... but I've spent zero time there... too many other projects - some paying bills :)
2015-11-02T19:39:33 < aadamson> it's to easy to test basic things by just grabbing a party balloon
2015-11-02T19:40:02 < aadamson> I did redesign to get the tracker down to under 2 grams however, so a full up supercap/solar is around 7grams all in
2015-11-02T19:40:06 < Laurenceb> yeah but you need >11km to reliably fly for more than a week
2015-11-02T19:40:19 < Laurenceb> nice
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2015-11-02T19:41:08 < aadamson> yes, something higher than 30k ft to clear weather... really need to be at around 42-45k, but as you know the challenge there is (minus)50-60C temps
2015-11-02T19:41:16 < aadamson> and batteries don't like to live there
2015-11-02T19:41:39 < Laurenceb> Leo managed it
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2015-11-02T19:41:52 < Laurenceb> using special electrolyte and stuff
2015-11-02T19:42:02 < Laurenceb> but it still didnt have long endurance
2015-11-02T19:42:16 < Laurenceb> well for a HAB it did :P
2015-11-02T19:42:30 < aadamson> I have some of those as well, the issue isn't the cold chemistry lipo, it's charging below 0C
2015-11-02T19:42:36 < aadamson> that's what kills batteries
2015-11-02T19:42:37 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-11-02T19:42:58 < Laurenceb> I looked at longwave IR power
2015-11-02T19:43:05 < aadamson> internal resistance is not your friend when it comes to charging
2015-11-02T19:43:10 < Laurenceb> it seems to be doable, but the system needs to be well optimised
2015-11-02T19:43:21 < Laurenceb> I never finished some proper optimisation and sim code
2015-11-02T19:43:44 < aadamson> also the other problem with lipo's (foil contained one) is *pucker*
2015-11-02T19:43:56 < aadamson> they aren't filled in vaccumn :)
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2015-11-02T19:44:26 < Laurenceb> a ~10cm diameter, 6mm thick graphene - aerogel - graphene laminate with a peltier in the middle looked doable
2015-11-02T19:44:35 < Laurenceb> you can buy all the parts off the shelf now
2015-11-02T19:44:41 < aadamson> hehe... yeah, small fuel cell :)
2015-11-02T19:47:59 < Laurenceb> this was for longwave IR
2015-11-02T19:48:17 < Laurenceb> one side facing the ground, heats up ~15C hotter than the other side
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2015-11-02T19:51:51 < Laurenceb> in theory it might put out a few mW 24/7
2015-11-02T19:52:02 < Laurenceb> but its a bit borderline to actually make it practical
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2015-11-02T22:43:06 < ehsanv> hi guys. i'm facing a problem with stm32f103ret6. the board i designed it works perfectly for about 2 days and suddenly it's clock get unstable and speed of processing gets really low. i can see that in LCD(i have lcd in project) the slow motion of pictures loading... have you ever faced such problem? could it be wrong crystal capacitors value? i use 8mhz crystal with 10pf caps in parallel,
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2015-11-02T22:44:54 < Sync> have you looked at the state of the PLL?
2015-11-02T22:44:55 < ehsanv> and plus, when loading picture from sdcard, i see some grey bars on lcd display, it's seems power unstablety
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2015-11-02T22:45:33 < ehsanv> Sync: no i just configure PLL at the first of run and program will run ... no pll checks
2015-11-02T22:45:57 < ehsanv> Sync: i should check pll regulary? you mean/
2015-11-02T22:45:59 < ehsanv> ?
2015-11-02T22:46:56 < Sync> well, if you are faced with a problem like that, why not?
2015-11-02T22:49:39 < ehsanv> Sync: do you think using a 1s timer is good? or i could use any pll event irq?
2015-11-02T22:51:14 < Sync> I don't think you need to check it very often, but make it visible to the outside what the state currently is
2015-11-02T22:51:20 < Sync> or just look at it with the debugger
2015-11-02T22:52:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbkFwdDN1UGpXUEk/view?usp=docslist_api oven trolley update
2015-11-02T22:52:41 < ehsanv> Sync: the problem is i build 14 of same device, but only 1 of them is like this, and it occurs after 2 days or so.
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2015-11-02T22:57:45 < Rickta59> bad solder job ehsanv ?
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2015-11-02T23:17:55 < ehsanv> Rickta59: maybe, :|
2015-11-02T23:19:05 < Laurenceb_> aadamson: what software do you use for PCBs?
2015-11-02T23:19:35 < ehsanv> Rickta59: but i don't solder them, someone did. and my employer thinks it's my fault(in hardware/software design) and it's hard to explain to him that it's not!
2015-11-02T23:21:34 < ehsanv> i added a SystemReset on CSSF set, as um said, this flag only set when a corruption on HSE occurs and an NMI trigs for system to rescue or whatever
2015-11-02T23:23:57 < ehsanv> hope this solves, if not add further problems! lol
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2015-11-03T00:22:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4YvkZeLrjs
2015-11-03T00:22:26 < kakimir> musics
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2015-11-03T00:27:37 < kakimir> used to have over 10GB of psytrance and listened all the songs
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2015-11-03T00:31:58 < kakimir> also ganja
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2015-11-03T00:34:04 < kakimir> when does uncle dongs wake up?
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2015-11-03T00:35:55 < ReadError> few hours after a proper wakenbake
2015-11-03T00:44:13 < aadamson> Laurenceb_, diptrace
2015-11-03T00:44:39 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2015-11-03T00:51:07 < kakimir> in context of pipes what "fd" in array name would stand for?
2015-11-03T00:51:11 < kakimir> http://tldp.org/LDP/lpg/node11.html
2015-11-03T00:51:17 < kakimir> file descriptor?
2015-11-03T00:55:08 < yan_> kakimir: yeah
2015-11-03T00:56:21 < kakimir> is this solid information?
2015-11-03T00:58:44 < yan_> kakimir: i can't load that page now, but it looked fine. what are you looking for?
2015-11-03T00:59:53 < kakimir> just looking into minute detail so I have full understanding
2015-11-03T01:00:10 < yan_> kakimir: what specifically though?
2015-11-03T01:01:01 < kakimir> just that fd for now
2015-11-03T01:02:00 < yan_> kakimir: but yeah, fd is file descriptor. you generally use pipe() before forking for ipc
2015-11-03T01:02:35 < kakimir> ipc?
2015-11-03T01:02:40 < yan_> inter-process communication
2015-11-03T01:02:51 < yan_> if you want to create a child process and then communicate with it
2015-11-03T01:02:52 < kakimir> I wonder
2015-11-03T01:03:02 < kakimir> then child process is started
2015-11-03T01:03:14 < kakimir> execl("/bin/sh","/bin/sh",NULL);
2015-11-03T01:03:29 < kakimir> there is no pid parameter in it
2015-11-03T01:03:41 < yan_> what do you mean
2015-11-03T01:04:10 < kakimir> pid = fork();
2015-11-03T01:04:18 < kakimir> there is this
2015-11-03T01:04:20 < yan_> right
2015-11-03T01:04:39 < yan_> what purpose would the pid parameter to execl() serve?
2015-11-03T01:04:45 < kakimir> fork does something with current process creates some branch out of it
2015-11-03T01:04:55 < kakimir> idk
2015-11-03T01:05:13 < yan_> fork creates a new process, so after fork returns, you have two processes. the one that was just executing and a child, and at that moment they are identical copies of each other
2015-11-03T01:05:34 < yan_> you figure out which process you're in based on fork()'s return value
2015-11-03T01:05:48 < kakimir> hmmm
2015-11-03T01:05:55 < yan_> if you exec()/execl()/etc, it replaces the process that called it with a new processes
2015-11-03T01:06:05 < kakimir> okay
2015-11-03T01:06:26 < yan_> so the standard pattern to start a new program is fork(), then in the child you exec(), which replaces that child with what the arguments to exec were
2015-11-03T01:06:35 < kakimir> is another copy of process then in halted state until exec?
2015-11-03T01:06:48 < yan_> no, it's executing whatever is after fork(), they're both running
2015-11-03T01:07:07 < yan_> well 'in the running state', only one process per core can actually be running at any one moment in time
2015-11-03T01:07:30 < kakimir> so which process connect which?
2015-11-03T01:07:40 < yan_> that's up to you
2015-11-03T01:08:39 < kakimir> it's not just up to luck which is executed first?
2015-11-03T01:08:53 < yan_> it is up to luck, essentially
2015-11-03T01:09:03 < yan_> you generally use some other kind of syncronization after forking
2015-11-03T01:09:37 < kakimir> so PID of core process may change?
2015-11-03T01:10:13 < yan_> so for instance, you can call pipe(), then you have two fd's. then you call fork(). now you have two processes with those same fd's. so you can write your code such that parent only ever reads/writes from fd[0] and child only ever writes/reads from fd[1]. so one design is the child process() calls blocking read on fd[1] as soon you fork, so that process will block until the parent wrote something to the pipe
2015-11-03T01:10:13 < kakimir> or what is concidered as core process. program that user has launched
2015-11-03T01:10:20 < yan_> kakimir: no the pid never changes
2015-11-03T01:11:02 < yan_> let's say have a parent process of pid 1234. after you fork(), you now have a child process, of pid let's say 1235. so when fork() returns to parent, it will return 1235, when fork() returns to child it will return 0
2015-11-03T01:11:24 < kakimir> ohh
2015-11-03T01:11:41 < kakimir> now I understand pid==0 condition
2015-11-03T01:11:44 < yan_> yep
2015-11-03T01:12:03 < yan_> so you literally have two identical processes and you decide which one you're in by what fork() returned
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2015-11-03T01:13:42 < kakimir> so
2015-11-03T01:13:57 < kakimir> how about when process is massive
2015-11-03T01:14:37 < kakimir> do they use this as it copies whole thing?
2015-11-03T01:15:02 < yan_> so fork() is a very very common operation, so all posix-like operating systems have it be super-super optimzed, where fork() is very very cheap
2015-11-03T01:15:19 < kakimir> okay
2015-11-03T01:15:29 < yan_> kakimir: one way that happens is it never actually copies but refers to the same memory until the memory is changed, then it makes a copy.. look up COW (copy on write)
2015-11-03T01:16:07 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-03T01:16:12 < kakimir> makes all sense
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2015-11-03T01:16:48 < obnauticus> I am getting a weird error when I try to compile my program with Keil uVision5. ' error: #136: struct <unnamed>" has no field "BSRRL" '
2015-11-03T01:16:58 < obnauticus> I've looked this up and I dont really know what to make of the solution:
2015-11-03T01:17:04 < obnauticus> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy%2est%2ecom%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex%5fmx%5fstm32%2fhelp%21A%20problem%20among%20BSRR%2cBSRRL%20and%20BSRRH&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&currentviews=1814
2015-11-03T01:17:20 < obnauticus> This is the line in question:     GPIOD->BSRRL = led_mask[num];
2015-11-03T01:19:21 < kakimir> thanks yan_
2015-11-03T01:19:45 < yan_> np
2015-11-03T01:19:56 < mtbg> there is vfork also
2015-11-03T01:20:03 < mtbg> linux-specific probably
2015-11-03T01:20:09 < mtbg> but can work on mmuless systems
2015-11-03T01:20:22 < mtbg> blocks parent until child exec()s
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2015-11-03T01:21:51 < mtbg> well, no, I misremebered it
2015-11-03T01:22:12 < mtbg> you just shouldn't access common memory from vfork child until exec()
2015-11-03T01:22:34 < mtbg> so its even more lightweight
2015-11-03T01:22:53 < kakimir> you should just exec immiditelly
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2015-11-03T01:39:42 < kakimir> http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/27/men-are-taking-photos-of-their-balls-in-front-of-beautiful-landscapes-5465223/ dongs
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2015-11-03T02:12:52 < aandrew> https://www.csail.mit.edu/drone_flies_through_forest_at_30_mph
2015-11-03T02:12:55 < aandrew> must be using zano tech
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2015-11-03T02:32:42 < dongs> Getty: haha, someone linked me that also
2015-11-03T02:32:56 < dongs> Getty: there's a zano mention inthe commeens there
2015-11-03T02:33:06 < dongs> Getty: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3r3m49/what_promising_kickstarter_did_you_back_fail_to/cwl1sjh
2015-11-03T02:33:08 < Getty> oh gimme the link again, when i checked there wasnt
2015-11-03T02:33:34 < Getty> you must add your spice to that thread
2015-11-03T02:33:35 < Getty> now or never!
2015-11-03T02:33:48 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2015-11-03T02:33:49 < dongs> fuck no
2015-11-03T02:33:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/3i9cxLF.png
2015-11-03T02:34:00 < Getty> dongs: pussy
2015-11-03T02:34:08 < Laurenceb_> active command: permanently fucking my monitor
2015-11-03T02:37:43 < jadew> it's been ~ 2 months since I did anything electronics related
2015-11-03T02:37:56 < jadew> didn't feel like cleaning my desk
2015-11-03T02:38:03 < dongs> get stoned
2015-11-03T02:38:06 < dongs> easy solution
2015-11-03T02:38:13 < dongs> zeptobars emailed me back he got the goodz
2015-11-03T02:38:15 < dongs> expecting pix soon
2015-11-03T02:38:22 < Getty> wait, there are times where we are not supposed to get stoned?
2015-11-03T02:38:35 < Laurenceb_> dont talk to me about bars
2015-11-03T02:38:41 < Laurenceb_> I'm looking at one now
2015-11-03T02:38:50 < Laurenceb_> right across my FUCKING SCREEN
2015-11-03T02:39:27 < jadew> Getty, depending on your geographical location, getting stoned might not be such a good thing
2015-11-03T02:39:50 < Getty> jadew: true..... but in those locations you also dont here often "lets get stoned!"
2015-11-03T02:39:57 < Getty> s/here/hear/
2015-11-03T02:41:49 < jadew> I feel like watching a good conspriacy / cabin in the woods / geek themed / alien or space travel movie right now
2015-11-03T02:41:51 < jadew> any suggestions?
2015-11-03T02:42:02 < Getty> not interstellar
2015-11-03T02:42:21 < jadew> doesn't matter if it's interstellar or not
2015-11-03T02:42:32 < Getty> yeah but thats an anti movie
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2015-11-03T02:42:38 < jadew> but I suppose interstellar would increase the chances of finding life, so that's good too
2015-11-03T02:42:38 < Getty> its decreasing your entertainment level
2015-11-03T02:43:23 < Getty> jadew: wanna see the best movie review ever made? thats good entertainment and you learn something
2015-11-03T02:43:37 < jadew> sure
2015-11-03T02:43:49 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho16PDZGzDM
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2015-11-03T02:45:48 < jadew> but I already know that star wars sucks
2015-11-03T02:45:58 < Getty> but this tells you why
2015-11-03T02:46:06 < jadew> I know why too
2015-11-03T02:46:08 < jadew> it's stupid
2015-11-03T02:46:11 < Getty> lol
2015-11-03T02:47:38 < jadew> it's fantasy and it's ridiculous to the point that it reduces the age of the target audience to < 13
2015-11-03T02:47:52 < Getty> ok you probably like interstellar
2015-11-03T02:47:57 < Getty> ;-)
2015-11-03T02:48:02 < jadew> yeah, I cried
2015-11-03T02:54:51 < dongs> woot
2015-11-03T02:54:56 < dongs> jap holiday and my online bank is closed
2015-11-03T02:54:59 < dongs> so fucking pro
2015-11-03T03:01:30 < jadew> no more escort service today?
2015-11-03T03:01:39 < jadew> or you have a tab open?
2015-11-03T03:02:59 < dongs> hm?
2015-11-03T03:03:29 < jadew> I assumed you can't get cash out
2015-11-03T03:04:09 < jadew> no cash no hoes
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2015-11-03T03:28:28 < dongs> okay this is pretty bizzare
2015-11-03T03:28:35 < dongs> went to secure erase deadintelssd
2015-11-03T03:28:37 < dongs> before RMAing
2015-11-03T03:28:48 < dongs> noticed it was actually showing up as a drive letter this time and lagging shit to fuck
2015-11-03T03:28:57 < dongs> (and not lagging)
2015-11-03T03:29:08 < dongs> seems all files are viewable, even the ones that were trashed previously
2015-11-03T03:29:10 < dongs> what hte fuck!?
2015-11-03T03:29:27 < jadew> bad contact
2015-11-03T03:29:29 < dongs> nope
2015-11-03T03:29:35 < Roklobsta> 240VAC sata cable should do it.
2015-11-03T03:29:35 < jadew> on a pin
2015-11-03T03:29:35 < dongs> its in same enclosure its been in
2015-11-03T03:29:38 < kakimir> bad cable
2015-11-03T03:29:40 < dongs> nope
2015-11-03T03:29:47 < dongs> same cable, same enclosure
2015-11-03T03:29:49 < jadew> yeah, but heat can make or break a contact
2015-11-03T03:29:58 < kakimir> keep wondering about or clone it quickly?
2015-11-03T03:29:59 < jadew> (I'm talking about a BGA)
2015-11-03T03:30:00 < dongs> jadew, its bene sitting on my desk for liek 2 weeks
2015-11-03T03:30:08 < dongs> kakimir: i did that a while ago already.
2015-11-03T03:30:32 < dongs> i didnt lose any data, but i remembered the like 2 folders taht were unreadable and made a copy
2015-11-03T03:30:39 < dongs> those were just useless altium backups
2015-11-03T03:30:43 < dongs> but i can read them both now
2015-11-03T03:30:46 < jadew> could also be a cap or some oscillator that's stable from time to time
2015-11-03T03:31:16 < dongs> well, it did get colder suddenly
2015-11-03T03:31:24 < dongs> since like nov1st.
2015-11-03T03:32:47 < dongs> well whaetver
2015-11-03T03:32:52 < dongs> gonna securerasse that shit and send it off
2015-11-03T03:33:06 < dongs> not trusting data to dodgy shit that works sometimes
2015-11-03T03:33:53 < dongs> lol secure erase cannot run on the current drive because its not a supported feature under windows 8 or server 2012 wat
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2015-11-03T03:34:17  * jadew wrote something that does that
2015-11-03T03:34:43 < jadew> it overwrites the files with garbage, renames them to garbage and then deletes them
2015-11-03T03:34:45 < dongs> http://www.hardcoreware.net/secure-erase-ssd-in-windows/ lolll
2015-11-03T03:34:57 < dongs> its liek 1st hit for "secure erase windows 8"
2015-11-03T03:35:00 < dongs> and totally wrong info
2015-11-03T03:35:04 < dongs> lol @ deleting and remaking partition
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2015-11-03T03:35:54 < jadew> well, if you can't do it the proper way you can always do that
2015-11-03T03:35:59 < jadew> overwrite the files and delete them
2015-11-03T03:36:03 < jadew> might take a bit longer tho
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2015-11-03T03:36:41 < dongs> secure erase should just toggle some bit in flash that blows it all up
2015-11-03T03:36:46 < dongs> like the STM32 mass erase
2015-11-03T03:37:07 < jadew> yeah, someone in the comment section mentioned that
2015-11-03T03:37:12 < jadew> (on the page you linked)
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2015-11-03T04:02:07 < jadew> dongs, this is the song with which they opened that concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtDHvKJYzhU
2015-11-03T04:02:09 < jadew> YouTube: Goodbye to Gravity - The Day We Die (Live in Club Colectiv, Bucharest, Romania, 30.10.2015)
2015-11-03T04:02:17 < jadew> the video is from the concert
2015-11-03T04:02:25 < jadew> how ironic...
2015-11-03T04:08:37 < jadew> the sound is from the studio version, the guy recording it was next to the speaker so the original audio was unusable
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2015-11-03T04:40:52 < jadew> reverse psychology at work
2015-11-03T04:41:06 < jadew> good evening to you too
2015-11-03T04:41:30 < jadew> "if I answer to this everyone will think that I... but I..."
2015-11-03T04:46:01 < jadew> about your greeting
2015-11-03T04:46:13 < jadew> it's like saying "morning tools!"
2015-11-03T04:46:23 < jadew> but the other way around
2015-11-03T04:46:59 < jadew> haha
2015-11-03T04:47:34 < kakimir> I should have done some codes and go to sleep
2015-11-03T04:47:43 < kakimir> instead I play clever on irc
2015-11-03T04:48:03 < kakimir> yet another night>
2015-11-03T04:48:25 < jadew> what's clever?
2015-11-03T04:48:32 < jadew> and yeah, I'm wasting time too
2015-11-03T04:48:42 < jadew> reading about that fire
2015-11-03T04:52:31 < jadew> now?
2015-11-03T04:52:40 < jadew> it's 4 am, I don't have to do anything
2015-11-03T04:53:12 < jadew> I had that earlier
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2015-11-03T06:13:39 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-11-03T06:15:18 < jadew> I never had my car washed like that
2015-11-03T06:15:24 < jadew> I'd probably fap too
2015-11-03T06:17:56 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/utDaaj2.gifv
2015-11-03T06:22:12 < jadew> he's a teletubbie?
2015-11-03T06:22:18 < jadew> night
2015-11-03T06:26:57 < Rob235> do regular led strips need a capacitor or just individually addressable ones
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2015-11-03T06:31:44 < upgrdman> im guessing both would tolerate no capacitance, but it would always be good to add some
2015-11-03T06:32:09 < upgrdman> although strips migth have per chip caps already on the strip
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2015-11-03T06:34:18 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/dywO3nR.gifv
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2015-11-03T06:42:18 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/NnZZO0z
2015-11-03T06:43:09 < jadew> lol
2015-11-03T06:43:24 < jadew> because they hate the jews, makes sense
2015-11-03T06:45:46 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/QWJ4hdr.gifv
2015-11-03T06:45:53 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://i.imgur.com/FhJnTo0.jpg
2015-11-03T06:48:31 < bloated> individually addressable ones should have all the normal problems of long digital lines
2015-11-03T06:48:47 < bloated> but I think they already have capacitors on that strip
2015-11-03T06:49:16 < Rob235> oh ok, thanks
2015-11-03T06:49:54 < bloated> like this:  http://www.epictinker.com/v/vspfiles/photos/LEDSTRIP60-2.jpg
2015-11-03T06:50:01 < bloated> one capacitor next to each LED
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2015-11-03T06:54:22 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/eNaN3lz
2015-11-03T06:55:10 < jadew> the dick has a dick
2015-11-03T06:55:24 < upgrdman> flyback, that you?
2015-11-03T06:55:48 < jadew> building a lightsaber?
2015-11-03T06:55:54 < upgrdman> you look soo sad
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2015-11-03T06:57:48 < upgrdman> it just started to get cold today
2015-11-03T06:57:58 < upgrdman> what region do you live in?
2015-11-03T07:00:53 < Rob235> heres the non-addressable leds (the addressable ones are going under the arms) http://imgur.com/G2Bwg5e  Just have to tint the strips black with some glass stain
2015-11-03T07:02:47 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/G7RCvMM
2015-11-03T07:04:24 < Rob235> first hardware project.  could have come out a little cleaner but i'm happy with it
2015-11-03T07:06:02 < Rob235> how long ago was this?
2015-11-03T07:06:35 < Rob235> ahh nice
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2015-11-03T07:19:46 < upgrdman> i also had an rc truck with a mechanical speed control
2015-11-03T07:20:05 < upgrdman> bought it when there were being phased out, because i planned to go brushless anyway
2015-11-03T07:20:24 < upgrdman> traxxas sold cars with MSCs in them until 2005!
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2015-11-03T07:32:10 < PeterM> most of my cars had no escs in them until a few years ago, but thats because they were all gas or nitro
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2015-11-03T12:38:39 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10526312
2015-11-03T12:38:42 < Laurenceb> I lolld
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2015-11-03T13:41:16 < Laurenceb> typical american school https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=em&v=2WzN2tTK-gM
2015-11-03T13:43:39 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=UFX7000
2015-11-03T13:43:39 < dongs> huh.
2015-11-03T13:44:33 < Laurenceb> lol weird
2015-11-03T13:45:19 < dongs> i wonder hwo tehy bought that shit from
2015-11-03T13:45:34 < dongs> aha smsc
2015-11-03T13:45:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41klIi1rMTU :)
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2015-11-03T13:48:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb: I want to see how that turn into ape schoolday orgy
2015-11-03T13:49:21 < Fleck> thats what you get when teachin evo religion @ schools
2015-11-03T14:00:37 < kakimir> evo?
2015-11-03T14:05:00 < Fleck> yeah - evo
2015-11-03T14:06:54 < ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147467
2015-11-03T14:07:00 < Laurenceb> uh oh
2015-11-03T14:07:01 < ReadError> woh
2015-11-03T14:07:01 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/11/03/0354218/nasa-eagleworks-has-tested-an-upgraded-em-drive
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2015-11-03T14:39:37 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpy1FlGKYz0 << dongs, Laurenceb should learn! :D
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2015-11-03T14:46:03 < dongs> way too big
2015-11-03T14:46:35 < dongs> ah theres a 256gb version too
2015-11-03T14:46:43 < ReadError> that xfer speed
2015-11-03T14:46:47 < ReadError> f-in nuts
2015-11-03T14:47:03 < Getty> dongs: btw, you saw this real following drone that came out?
2015-11-03T14:47:20 < Getty> found it funny that it is for sure not "small" ;)
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2015-11-03T14:50:13 < dongs> * 5 years or TBW (256 GB : 200 TB, 512 GB : 400 TB), whichever comes faster.
2015-11-03T14:50:21 < dongs> how long does it take to wrtie 200tb on a ssd
2015-11-03T14:50:47 < qyx> not so long
2015-11-03T14:50:56 < qyx> oh, tb
2015-11-03T14:51:16 < ReadError> quite a while
2015-11-03T14:51:39 < qyx> ~111 hours?
2015-11-03T14:51:48 < ReadError> ive only written 11tb to this 512gb ;/
2015-11-03T14:52:35 < karlp> how do you read that figure out?
2015-11-03T14:52:42 < ReadError> samsung tool
2015-11-03T14:52:56 < qyx> aha, i am being a bit offtopic
2015-11-03T14:54:20 < qyx> smartctl can read something like Lifetime_Writes_GiB
2015-11-03T14:55:15 < qyx> http://pastie.org/10526646
2015-11-03T14:55:42 < dongs> only w rote 1.6tb to this OS drive
2015-11-03T14:55:47 < dongs> and 680gb reads
2015-11-03T14:55:53 < dongs> i wonder why so many more writes
2015-11-03T14:56:03 < dongs> its supposed to be a fucking OS drive, mostly loading apps than anything else
2015-11-03T14:56:09 < dongs> probly registry
2015-11-03T14:56:22 < qyx> same here, 2.8TB written, 0.7TB read
2015-11-03T14:57:03  * jadew doesn't have a ssd
2015-11-03T14:57:12 < dongs> youre missing the fuck out
2015-11-03T14:57:20 < Laurenceb> lol try this in UK http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rape+baby
2015-11-03T14:57:27 < karlp> hrm, stuypid disks tool isn't showing me all the settings
2015-11-03T14:57:37 < karlp> yeah, once you go SSD you never ever go back.
2015-11-03T14:57:39 < Laurenceb> it fires off the peado warning screen
2015-11-03T14:58:00 < jadew> I might get one, we'll see
2015-11-03T14:59:42 < Laurenceb>  "warning paedophilia is illegal, seek medical attention"
2015-11-03T15:01:06 < jadew> I find this hysterical http://i.imgur.com/QWJ4hdr.gifv
2015-11-03T15:01:58 < dongs> old
2015-11-03T15:04:20 < dongs> what hte fuck was he gonna do with that anyway.
2015-11-03T15:04:49 < jadew> lol
2015-11-03T15:04:52 < jadew> good question
2015-11-03T15:06:37 < karlp> hrm, I don't have lifetime writes and reads separately, only have "Total_LBAs_Written"
2015-11-03T15:06:43 < karlp> same smart attribute 241 though
2015-11-03T15:06:56 < dongs> yea thats whats on my  samdung T1
2015-11-03T15:07:13 < karlp> only 0.48Tb written so far, but this is only ~6 weeks old
2015-11-03T15:07:52 < karlp> stupid disks tool shows it, but not the raw value.
2015-11-03T15:09:36 < karlp> http://imgur.com/UJGAOea
2015-11-03T15:09:50 < dongs> This is a destructive update and will delete all data present on the drive.
2015-11-03T15:09:50 < dongs> Please backup any important data before upgrading the firmware.
2015-11-03T15:09:50 < dongs> Improved compatibility and fixed some minor bugs.
2015-11-03T15:09:51 < dongs> This is the final firmware release for the 470 Series.
2015-11-03T15:09:53 < dongs> nice firmware update lol
2015-11-03T15:10:01 < __rob> anyone know if there is are any compression libraries for embedded stuff ?
2015-11-03T15:10:07 < dongs> rob, like wat?
2015-11-03T15:10:19 < __rob> ideally something that will compress on the fly, without the whole file needing to be available
2015-11-03T15:10:25 < __rob> like lz77 or one of those
2015-11-03T15:10:26 < qyx> yes, there are
2015-11-03T15:10:28  * karlp waves his wand at rob's project
2015-11-03T15:10:30 < dongs> there's various zlib things
2015-11-03T15:10:58 < qyx> i found some in the past
2015-11-03T15:11:07 < dongs> miniz/minilzo i think
2015-11-03T15:11:41 < __rob> I looked at that and they all seem to require the file ahead of time, for the lookahead
2015-11-03T15:15:57 < dongs> er, libz (at least pc version, i never lookd at mcu edition) doesnt need the file.
2015-11-03T15:16:00 < dongs> you feed it blocks of data
2015-11-03T15:16:03 < dongs> why would it need lookahead?
2015-11-03T15:26:47 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/dkVIcAd.jpg
2015-11-03T15:26:50 < ReadError> original vs clone
2015-11-03T15:26:58 < ReadError> clone is sooo much nicer
2015-11-03T15:27:03 < dongs> cloneof what? right side?
2015-11-03T15:27:07 < dongs> smoothie is trash anyway.
2015-11-03T15:27:07 < Laurenceb> lol 3d spunker
2015-11-03T15:27:08 < ReadError> ya
2015-11-03T15:27:12 < dongs> my pal made smoothie with TMC2100 or watever
2015-11-03T15:27:14 < dongs> silent as fuck
2015-11-03T15:27:34 < ReadError> clones are like 50$ or something too
2015-11-03T15:27:47 < ReadError> vs w/e the hell they want for the orig
2015-11-03T15:32:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.facebook.com/stagefreaks/videos/863975723671117/
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2015-11-03T15:36:08 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/wIgTiNO.gifv
2015-11-03T15:36:56 < jadew> Laurenceb, looks like that guy finally went viral
2015-11-03T15:37:22 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-11-03T15:37:36 < Laurenceb> just when it couldnt get more wtf
2015-11-03T15:49:34 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/yPt0Jqh.gif
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2015-11-03T16:16:19 < Laurenceb> trolls trolling trolls
2015-11-03T16:16:20 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10526817
2015-11-03T16:16:48 < Laurenceb> <RealBorg> I'm working on turning that into a rc plane
2015-11-03T16:16:49 < Laurenceb> lulld
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2015-11-03T17:03:04 < Lux> Readerror: got a link to the clone ?
2015-11-03T17:03:33 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Version-3D-Printer-Board-MKS-SBASE-V1-1-32-BIT-ARM-Smoothieware-Open-Source-/191669104256?hash=item2ca05e6e80:g:4EAAAOSwVL1V-k6o
2015-11-03T17:03:54 < ReadError> build quality is much nicer
2015-11-03T17:04:03 < ReadError> everything is nicer on it actually
2015-11-03T17:04:17 < kakimir> what is happenings what is that
2015-11-03T17:04:46 < kakimir> not overpriced smoothieboard
2015-11-03T17:05:38 < Lux> Nice, thx
2015-11-03T17:06:31 < Lux> But iirc smoothie had some bugs regarding step sync between x/y or is that fixed now
2015-11-03T17:07:59 < ReadError> Lux not sure
2015-11-03T17:15:14 < Lux> I just remember people complaining about the devs, but didn't really follow
2015-11-03T17:15:52 < Lux> Is the clone with 1/16 microstepping drivers aswell?
2015-11-03T17:16:44 < dongs> lux, TMC2100 clone is like /256 microstepping
2015-11-03T17:20:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7goBi89ityY
2015-11-03T17:23:39 < englishman> cool thats a new perspective
2015-11-03T17:26:12 < Laurenceb> fap material dongs?
2015-11-03T17:27:27 < kakimir> mike mike
2015-11-03T17:28:00 < kakimir> those buildings were huge
2015-11-03T17:29:34 < Sync> oh wat
2015-11-03T17:30:03 < kakimir> and kind of beautyful shining in sunlight
2015-11-03T17:32:25 < kakimir> can I see thermite at some point dongs ?
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2015-11-03T17:37:54 < kakimir> is new york expensives place?
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2015-11-03T17:43:26 < ReadError> Lux using 5 motor drivers 8825, supports 32 segments, performance far exceeding 4988, the SOP package, better heat dissipation.
2015-11-03T17:44:12 < ReadError> i guess 32 segments = microsteps
2015-11-03T17:56:35 < Laurenceb> kakimir: nanothermite
2015-11-03T17:56:41 < Laurenceb> fired by timecube
2015-11-03T17:59:43 < kakimir> 2001 new york looks athmosperic
2015-11-03T18:02:11 < Lux> ReadError: cool, didn't see that
2015-11-03T18:02:24 < Lux> ordering one :)
2015-11-03T18:02:53 < Lux> was on the phone before
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2015-11-03T18:29:18 < ReadError> I may get another for my laser
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2015-11-03T18:31:13 < Sync> steppers, pfft
2015-11-03T18:41:04 < emeb> Real Men use brushless DC?
2015-11-03T18:44:52 < kakimir> steam engine and slaves
2015-11-03T18:46:16 < kakimir> idk how it works nowdays
2015-11-03T18:48:07 < Sync> emeb: yes
2015-11-03T18:54:23 < rewolff> Any C++ Gurus here? private to my class: std::fstream mIOstream;
2015-11-03T18:54:23 < rewolff>       mIOstream  << "uid\n";
2015-11-03T18:54:23 < rewolff>       while ( getline (mIOstream, line) ) {
2015-11-03T18:54:23 < rewolff> works.
2015-11-03T18:55:08 < rewolff> but then later:  mIOstream.write (header, sizeof(header));
2015-11-03T18:55:08 < rewolff> fails.... internals call "seek" which doesn't work on the virtual serial port to my STM32.....
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2015-11-03T18:59:37 < PatetOmnibus> hi, I am currently trying to receive data with the stm32F0. Sending works, but receiving does not. does anyone in this room has the time and knkowledge to  help?
2015-11-03T19:01:02 < rewolff> sending what over what?\
2015-11-03T19:01:30 < PatetOmnibus> byte via usart2
2015-11-03T19:01:46 < rewolff> interrrupts enabled? nvic enabled?
2015-11-03T19:02:01 < rewolff> what library?
2015-11-03T19:06:55 < PatetOmnibus> nvic definetly not, interrupts neither, i guess. I am using the st-link linux programmer
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2015-11-03T19:12:56 < PatetOmnibus> i just initialize the rcc for peripheral clock, configure gpio and usart settings. after which send works. i tried to use the example from  http://bit.ly/1Q3VJaf . but receiving does not work
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2015-11-03T19:22:35 < PatetOmnibus> I assumed, that I could receive when loop-waiting as easy as sending?!?
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2015-11-03T22:06:57 < Getty> hahahahahhhaa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFrQFBaPNsA&feature=youtu.be&t=21m3s
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2015-11-03T23:15:28 < obnauticus> Is there any way to configure the STM32F4 Discovert to output 3v on the SPI bus bank?
2015-11-03T23:15:43 < obnauticus> I have a chip that wants 3v and im wondering if that's something that I can set in software or do i need to use a pulldown
2015-11-03T23:16:20 < yan_> obnauticus: spi will be to what vcc is held at
2015-11-03T23:16:26 < obnauticus> on Port A/AF5
2015-11-03T23:16:45 < obnauticus> yan_: hmm, so probably 5V on the discovery board
2015-11-03T23:16:58 < yan_> obnauticus: unlikely, it's probably 3.3v
2015-11-03T23:17:08 < obnauticus> ok i'll measure it
2015-11-03T23:17:14 < yan_> obnauticus: it has a 5v output that it gets from usb i think, but mcu gets 3.3
2015-11-03T23:17:20 < obnauticus> ill find the schematic
2015-11-03T23:19:52 < yan_> obnauticus: http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/cn/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00039084.pdf, it's 3v
2015-11-03T23:20:06 < obnauticus> thanks much yan! I just found that out too looking at the VDD net
2015-11-03T23:20:12 < bvernoux> obnauticus, all I/O output 3.3V (VDD)
2015-11-03T23:20:28 < bvernoux> obnauticus, but you can also power the core to 3V and it will output 3V ;)
2015-11-03T23:20:33 < obnauticus> the 3v header is also 3.3?
2015-11-03T23:20:48 < obnauticus> ah wait i'll just use VDD
2015-11-03T23:20:49 < obnauticus> le herp
2015-11-03T23:21:00 < obnauticus> much easier
2015-11-03T23:21:06 < bvernoux> are you sure 3.3V will damage the component ?
2015-11-03T23:21:22 < bvernoux> they are often specified as 3V to 3.6V with typ 3.3V
2015-11-03T23:22:12 < obnauticus> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00059856.pdf
2015-11-03T23:22:13 < obnauticus> should be fine
2015-11-03T23:22:50 < obnauticus> well i just plugged vdd_io into 3.3v so .... maybe not
2015-11-03T23:23:17 < obnauticus> oh nm, it's fine.
2015-11-03T23:23:17 < bvernoux> not good I/O are 1.8V
2015-11-03T23:23:50 < obnauticus> bvernoux: read page 18
2015-11-03T23:24:04 < obnauticus> -0.3 to 4.8V
2015-11-03T23:24:23 < bvernoux> hmm absolute max rating
2015-11-03T23:24:34 < bvernoux> but it is intended to work with 1.8V
2015-11-03T23:24:40 < obnauticus> should be fine
2015-11-03T23:25:03 < bvernoux> don't cry if the circuit is dead after 10h of work ;)
2015-11-03T23:25:18 < bvernoux> Vin
2015-11-03T23:25:29 < bvernoux> specifified for SPI IO is VDD_IO +0.3V
2015-11-03T23:25:32 < bvernoux> or -0.3V
2015-11-03T23:26:20 < bvernoux> This is a stress rating only and functional operation of the device under these
2015-11-03T23:26:20 < bvernoux> conditions is not implied. Exposure to maximum rating conditions for extended periods may
2015-11-03T23:26:20 < bvernoux> affect device reliability.
2015-11-03T23:26:32 < bvernoux> it is proved that it affect life
2015-11-03T23:26:38 < obnauticus> ok
2015-11-03T23:26:40 < obnauticus> so i need a 1.8V supply
2015-11-03T23:28:23 < bvernoux> you need TXS104 or similar chipset for the translation
2015-11-03T23:28:36 < bvernoux> especially for SPI
2015-11-03T23:29:58 < obnauticus> I cant find the datasheet for that :9
2015-11-03T23:30:00 < obnauticus> :(
2015-11-03T23:30:15 < bvernoux> TXS108 is ok too
2015-11-03T23:30:24 < bvernoux> TI
2015-11-03T23:30:50 < obnauticus> I wonder how much 3.3v logic will affect the lifespan
2015-11-03T23:31:00 < obnauticus> it's just a dev board
2015-11-03T23:31:10 < bvernoux> http://www.ti.com/product/TXS0108E/datasheet
2015-11-03T23:31:47 < bvernoux> it will affect it especially 1.8v vs 3.3V
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2015-11-03T23:38:12 < bvernoux> obnauticus, other trick is to change STM32F407 VDD to 1.8V ;)
2015-11-03T23:38:15 < bvernoux> instead of 3.3V
2015-11-03T23:38:32 < bvernoux> power consumption will be lower too and all I/O will be 1.8V
2015-11-03T23:39:17 < bvernoux> anyway it is a special mode with reduced performance & temperature range
2015-11-03T23:40:29 < obnauticus> Eh, i'd rather just get a level shifter because of the application
2015-11-03T23:41:05 < bvernoux> TXS108 is the best for that especially for SPI
2015-11-03T23:41:15 < bvernoux> warning it shall be not used for I2C
2015-11-03T23:41:58 < bvernoux> TXS is for i2C and TXB for SPI sorry ;)
2015-11-03T23:42:05 < bvernoux> http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/txb0108appnote.pdf
2015-11-03T23:43:02 < obnauticus> i wonder if i can just make one out of discrete components
2015-11-03T23:45:50 < bvernoux> for I2C => http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN883.pdf
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2015-11-03T23:45:57 < bvernoux> low cost translator ;)
2015-11-03T23:46:35 < bvernoux> just resistor & diode
2015-11-03T23:46:42 < bvernoux> and a cheap LDO
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2015-11-03T23:49:19 < kakimir> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/
2015-11-03T23:49:34 < obnauticus> bvernoux:  what type of supply do you think is sufficient for that TXB
2015-11-03T23:49:51 < bvernoux> a little 100mA supply
2015-11-03T23:49:54 < bvernoux> even less
2015-11-03T23:49:58 < obnauticus> so voltage divider?
2015-11-03T23:50:07 < bvernoux> as you only drive signal without lot of current
2015-11-03T23:50:20 < bvernoux> voltage divider could be enough but you need capacitor too
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2015-11-03T23:50:27 < bvernoux> else you will have ugly spike ... ;)
2015-11-03T23:50:29 < obnauticus> or a diode with a Vf of 1.8V
2015-11-03T23:50:41 < obnauticus> I actually could just use diodes right now
2015-11-03T23:50:46 < obnauticus> that's another option
2015-11-03T23:51:03 < bvernoux> anyway TXS or TXB depending on what you want to do I2C or SPI is the best
2015-11-03T23:51:13 < bvernoux> simpler less things to solder ...
2015-11-03T23:51:29 < bvernoux> even if it is a bit more expensive than resistor/capacitor/diode
2015-11-03T23:51:54 < obnauticus> true, but i'm dealing with qty of scale.
2015-11-03T23:52:16 < bvernoux> advantage is TXS/TXB act as driver too
2015-11-03T23:52:28 < bvernoux> and ESD protection
2015-11-03T23:52:35 < bvernoux> 15kV IIRC
2015-11-03T23:52:46 < obnauticus> hmm, that is nice.
2015-11-03T23:52:52 < obnauticus> esp for long bus lines
2015-11-03T23:53:12 < bvernoux> yes
2015-11-03T23:53:23 < bvernoux> really better for longer bus lines
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2015-11-04T00:27:05 < kakimir> today I realized that terminal is just an interface for standard streams
2015-11-04T00:27:36 < kakimir> /bin/bash in run and streams are connected to this program
2015-11-04T00:27:39 < kakimir> *is
2015-11-04T00:28:33 < kakimir> I'm scared. I don't want to become lunix head
2015-11-04T00:31:20 < yan_> kakimir: in unix, everything is a file
2015-11-04T00:31:31 < kakimir> that much I know
2015-11-04T00:31:40 < kakimir> but file may not be actual file
2015-11-04T00:31:53 < yan_> that's what the line 'everything is a file' means :)
2015-11-04T00:32:00 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-04T00:32:01 < yan_> that a lot of things are treated like files
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2015-11-04T00:35:06 < kakimir> I don't want to like posix
2015-11-04T00:35:26 < kakimir> or go any deeper
2015-11-04T00:35:31 < kakimir> !
2015-11-04T00:35:46 < kakimir> soon i'm installin gentoo
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2015-11-04T00:45:44 < yan_> kakimir: been using posix oses for ~16 years, have yet to install gentoo, so shrug
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2015-11-04T00:49:51 < kakimir> I should have been but was newcomer newbie
2015-11-04T00:50:10 < kakimir> also too retard 10years back to understand anything
2015-11-04T00:51:30 < yan_> kakimir: meh, operating systems are tools, no need to get religious about it
2015-11-04T00:51:34 < yan_> in general i mean
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2015-11-04T00:52:31 < Fleck> wise words yan_, wish dongs could understand that, but he is just too retarded I guess
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2015-11-04T00:54:08 < kakimir> that is true
2015-11-04T00:54:38 < karlp> mah, f4 temp sensors, perfectly sane, f3 temp sensor, not even sort of remotely close to sane.
2015-11-04T00:55:18 < kakimir> why
2015-11-04T00:55:55 < kakimir> why don't they do one superb format and then roll it to all their chips
2015-11-04T00:56:36 < Fleck> then it would be boring kakimir! :D
2015-11-04T00:57:02 < kakimir> sure
2015-11-04T00:57:04 < karlp> well, I might still hav eweird clock configs wrong for the f3, I knwo the sampleing time must be observed for the temp sensor, but still, not even sort of close yet on the f3
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2015-11-04T01:17:28 < karlp> ah, I love how changing the value on one channel affcts the other channels
2015-11-04T01:17:35 < karlp> stupid adc sampling count shitz
2015-11-04T01:21:02 < karlp> also, I love holding my boads up to a candle to test this :)
2015-11-04T01:21:04 < kakimir> yan_: when I send SIGTERM to child
2015-11-04T01:21:17 < kakimir> and I want to poll it if it's still running
2015-11-04T01:22:01 < kakimir> how to do that in simple legit way?
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2015-11-04T01:23:10 < kakimir> should i not close stream in and wait for EOF ?
2015-11-04T01:23:14 < kakimir> or something
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2015-11-04T01:30:06 < yan_> kakimir: you do that with the wait()/waitpid() system calls
2015-11-04T01:30:12 < yan_> kakimir: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/wait.2.html
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2015-11-04T01:38:08 < dongs> sup zano bakers
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2015-11-04T01:47:51 < ReadError> whats stoning stoners
2015-11-04T01:47:52 < jadew> well, did you hear about the em drive being tested by nasa and actually working?
2015-11-04T01:48:17 < ReadError> i think only Laurenceb cares about emdrive ;/
2015-11-04T01:48:32 < jadew> finance.yahoo.com/news/nasa-latest-tests-show-physics-230112770.html
2015-11-04T01:48:47 < jadew> forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1440938#msg1440938
2015-11-04T01:50:08 < ReadError> no http :?(
2015-11-04T01:50:14 < ReadError> i cant double click and close
2015-11-04T01:50:19 < jadew> wtf
2015-11-04T01:50:26 < jadew> this is the second time this happens today
2015-11-04T01:50:34 < jadew> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1440938#msg1440938
2015-11-04T01:50:45 < jadew> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nasa-latest-tests-show-physics-230112770.html
2015-11-04T01:51:03 < ReadError> ergghhh
2015-11-04T01:51:08 < ReadError> its just a bunch of words
2015-11-04T01:51:12 < ReadError> no pics or videos
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2015-11-04T01:51:34 < jadew> the guy from NASA said he has pics but can't show them
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2015-11-04T01:52:11 < ReadError> hm right so he could be trolling
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2015-11-04T01:59:18 < Laurenceb_> he says it works
2015-11-04T01:59:23 < Laurenceb_> so it must be true
2015-11-04T02:01:30 < ReadError> how do we even know he works at NASA?
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2015-11-04T02:04:17 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-11-04T02:04:47 < kakimir> nasa trolling?
2015-11-04T02:05:00 < kakimir> sleep>
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2015-11-04T02:08:48 < Lux> that em drive stuff is getting boring
2015-11-04T02:10:23 < jadew> until we get em proppelled personal spaceships
2015-11-04T02:11:14 < Lux> heh, as long as basic conservation laws hold such things are just trolling
2015-11-04T02:25:54 < dongs> join t he weebinar
2015-11-04T02:26:40 < dongs> so is emdrive still a troll
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2015-11-04T02:38:28 < Laurenceb_> em drive is so annoying
2015-11-04T02:38:46 < Laurenceb_> nobody seems to understand data analysis and statistics
2015-11-04T02:38:57 < Laurenceb_> annoyingly my thesis isnt online
2015-11-04T02:39:06 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe I should filebin it
2015-11-04T02:39:28 < Laurenceb_> it has an entire chapter devoted to statistics on signals with nasty baselines
2015-11-04T02:39:49 < Laurenceb_> all the EM drive trolls need to read it
2015-11-04T02:40:04 < Sync> well, it is an annoying subject
2015-11-04T02:40:07 < Sync> and nobody really cares
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2015-11-04T02:40:26 < Laurenceb_> space drives or statistics ?
2015-11-04T02:40:32 < Sync> statistics
2015-11-04T02:40:39 < Laurenceb_> heh I care
2015-11-04T02:40:48 < Laurenceb_> or I did.. when I was writing my thesis
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2015-11-04T02:50:24 < Laurenceb_> funnily enough in my Viva they main comment was "nobody cares, just eyeball the data"
2015-11-04T02:50:35 < Laurenceb_> to which my reply was "EM DRIVE!!!"
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2015-11-04T02:52:40 < Laurenceb_> to which to reply was "WTF"
2015-11-04T02:52:44 < Laurenceb_> so I had to explain
2015-11-04T02:55:08  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2015-11-04T02:58:25 < jadew> are streets this busy in your cities too? https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12193796_1076422875710262_2024644176872818776_n.jpg?oh=6835b0fd573df119d91416fcc909b98c&oe=56B7E84C
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2015-11-04T03:00:09 < jadew> find waldo!
2015-11-04T03:05:42 < jadew> that's on a week day... during the weekend we get this: https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/l/t1.0-0/p480x480/10989482_914392341988042_7269941528106320711_n.jpg?oh=6a6c813639b55c3aa0169bd22f47d048&oe=56F9EFEC
2015-11-04T03:06:30 < jadew> btw, the arrow in the last photo points to waldo, somone found it
2015-11-04T03:06:41 < jadew> *him
2015-11-04T03:07:17 < jadew> heh, no that one is from a few years back
2015-11-04T03:07:22 < jadew> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12193796_1076422875710262_2024644176872818776_n.jpg?oh=6835b0fd573df119d91416fcc909b98c&oe=56B7E84C
2015-11-04T03:07:27 < jadew> this is from a few hours back
2015-11-04T03:08:01 < jadew> a fairly large scale protest has started as a result of that fire on friday
2015-11-04T03:08:37 < jadew> people are fed up with corruption, so they want to take the government down
2015-11-04T03:10:08 < jadew> the fire from the club
2015-11-04T03:10:34 < jadew> killed 30, 170+ injured
2015-11-04T03:10:46 < Sync> idk why they target the government when the club was operating unsafe
2015-11-04T03:11:11 < jadew> Sync, because it had permits
2015-11-04T03:11:39 < Sync> sure, but just because it has permits it does not mean it adheres to the conditions
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2015-11-04T03:12:03 < jadew> it's about corruption
2015-11-04T03:12:12 < jadew> the owner must have bribed someone
2015-11-04T03:12:25 < jadew> (it's how things work in here)
2015-11-04T03:13:12 < jadew> it's not about dictatorship, it's about corruption running rampant at all levels of the government
2015-11-04T03:13:41 < jadew> not all europe is like this
2015-11-04T03:13:44 < jadew> just us...
2015-11-04T03:15:41 < jadew> we're getting better really
2015-11-04T03:15:47 < jadew> lots of high profile convictions
2015-11-04T03:15:56 < jadew> previous prime minister went to prison
2015-11-04T03:18:34 < jadew> R2COM, yeah
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2015-11-04T04:44:39 < jadew> yes there is
2015-11-04T04:44:53 < jadew> hibernate
2015-11-04T04:45:15 < jadew> no
2015-11-04T04:45:18 < jadew> that's sleep mode
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2015-11-04T04:45:30 < jadew> hibernate saves the contents of the ram in a file
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2015-11-04T04:45:44 < jadew> and when you reboot it reloads it
2015-11-04T04:46:25 < jadew> (you might have to enable it somehow tho)
2015-11-04T04:46:52 < jadew> no, that's the one where the PC is still powered
2015-11-04T04:47:10 < jadew> google for: windows 7 enable hibernate
2015-11-04T04:47:54 < jadew> http://www.groovypost.com/howto/enable-windows-7-hibernate-mode/
2015-11-04T04:51:30 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-04T04:51:53 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-04T04:51:59 < jadew> try it
2015-11-04T04:52:07 < jadew> disconnected tho
2015-11-04T04:57:29 < jadew> I figured something went wrong when your irc client said Quit
2015-11-04T04:57:35 < jadew> ah
2015-11-04T04:57:39 < jadew> that's sad
2015-11-04T04:58:08 < jadew> I just use sleep
2015-11-04T04:58:18 < jadew> it turns on instantly
2015-11-04T04:58:45 < jadew> very little
2015-11-04T04:58:56 < jadew> less tha 1% I think
2015-11-04T04:59:01 < jadew> *than
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2015-11-04T05:00:46 < jadew> right now my PC uses 240-250 Watts
2015-11-04T05:00:53 < jadew> no
2015-11-04T05:00:56 < jadew> the CPU is not on
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2015-11-04T05:09:35 < jadew> night
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2015-11-04T06:58:40 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.gifbin.com/bin/042011/1302782132_hot-shots-bomb-bumping.gif
2015-11-04T06:59:19 < Getty> you... didnt watched hot shots?
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2015-11-04T07:56:32 < Amperture> Turned down a job interview today
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2015-11-04T11:28:03 < dongs> http://captiongenerator.com/67237/Reece-Interview-with-Ivan lol
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2015-11-04T11:52:16 < ReadError> zyp just flashed and replaced tape on oven, very simple
2015-11-04T11:52:25 < ReadError> and no chinese anymore
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2015-11-04T11:55:24 < PaulFertser> dongs: thanks for that, it's really funny!
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2015-11-04T11:59:59 < dongs> PaulFertser: yeah the camo plastics gone missing is fucking hilarious
2015-11-04T12:00:18 < PaulFertser> It is, it certainly is!
2015-11-04T12:00:28 < qyx> lol
2015-11-04T12:03:38 < dongs> BREAKING: Real Madrid and France striker Karim Benzema under arrest for blackmailing teammate and threatening to release a sex tape if he won't get 150,000EUR, legal sources say.
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2015-11-04T12:06:45 < dongs> zeptobars is slacking
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2015-11-04T12:17:51 < PeterM> dongs what you mean? zeptobars didnt release sextape for you or somehting?
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2015-11-04T12:30:16 < dongs> PeterM: they've had GD32 and LGT88 thing for > 24 hours and there's no twats about them
2015-11-04T12:30:33 < ReadError> dongs did you send them the originals too? or have they already decapped them
2015-11-04T12:30:39 < dongs> of course i did
2015-11-04T12:30:54 < ReadError> nice
2015-11-04T12:31:00 < dongs> well except failmega88
2015-11-04T12:31:02 < dongs> i didnt ahve any
2015-11-04T12:31:05 < dongs> but im sure they do
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2015-11-04T12:40:29 < karlp> hehe, "I hope that's on the camera" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGSkzU-y9Js&feature=youtu.be
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2015-11-04T13:25:07 < jadew> possible new revolution starting in Romania
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2015-11-04T13:47:04 < kakimir> hah
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2015-11-04T14:25:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwmxye3Fkw
2015-11-04T14:25:51 < Tectu> oh, I remember that video like it was yesterday
2015-11-04T14:26:03 < Tectu> uhm, although I cannot recall the last line :D
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2015-11-04T14:29:58 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/IW3oRr23.html .................................
2015-11-04T14:30:10 < Fleck> you open dongs links Tectu? Not smart man!
2015-11-04T14:31:45 < Tectu> Fleck :D
2015-11-04T14:35:13 < zyp> dongs, the fuck is that shit?
2015-11-04T14:35:23 < dongs> zyp, their passowrd policy
2015-11-04T14:35:28 < dongs> for waht looks like home delivery of cocacola
2015-11-04T14:35:32 < zyp> wat
2015-11-04T14:36:15 < jadew> lol
2015-11-04T14:36:30 < dongs> minimum order: 99 rupees
2015-11-04T14:36:33 < dongs> $1.5
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2015-11-04T15:08:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/949348142/single-channel-dc-power-supply-for-your-electronic?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:10:59 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/814866572/xlr8-arduino-compatible-fpga-based-application-acc?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:11:19 < zyp> heh
2015-11-04T15:11:56 < dongs> XLR8 uses a 10M08 device.
2015-11-04T15:12:01 < dongs> max10 cpld-ish thing
2015-11-04T15:12:35 < zyp> hmm, fpga with internal flash
2015-11-04T15:12:41 < dongs> Yes, based on all of our testing to-date, our soft implementation of the ATmega-compatible microcontroller is cycle accurate with the standard ATmega micro. If we (or someone else) finds a case where that isn.t true, we are treating that as a bug.
2015-11-04T15:12:49 < dongs> zyp, err, like the 3AN etc?
2015-11-04T15:12:56 < zyp> https://www.altera.com/en_US/pdfs/literature/hb/max-10/m10_overview.pdf
2015-11-04T15:13:01 < dongs> yeah i know
2015-11-04T15:13:20 < zyp> enough flash for two configs and user memory
2015-11-04T15:13:53 < zyp> I should try altera some time, I hear they've got better tools than xilinx
2015-11-04T15:14:16 < zyp> which, considering the xilinx tools, isn't really a surprise if it's true
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2015-11-04T15:15:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/823757377/blink-master-soldering-made-fun?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:19:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1469546438/lockub-locking-device-plus-usb-hub-for-apple-lapto?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:21:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1985705009/piplay-deskcade?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:22:44 < zyp> hmm, max10 looks kinda cute
2015-11-04T15:23:06 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs?ref=category aadamson project failed
2015-11-04T15:24:56 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1235337498/wilduino-mini-3-in-1-zigbee-wifi-arduino?ref=category
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2015-11-04T15:25:23 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/744538246/eve-online-control-panel?ref=category ahah
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2015-11-04T15:26:07 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/feilipu/goldilocks-analogue-classic-arduino-audio-superpow?ref=category loll
2015-11-04T15:26:11 < dongs> wat
2015-11-04T15:27:43 < Lt_Lemming> that lockub... is because apple in their infinite wisdom, removed all locking options from their laptops
2015-11-04T15:27:54 < dongs> yeah the kensington lock or whatever?
2015-11-04T15:27:58 < dongs> is that not stnadard on crapple shit?
2015-11-04T15:28:04 < Lt_Lemming> mot anymore!
2015-11-04T15:28:08 < Lt_Lemming> not*
2015-11-04T15:28:09 < dongs> they probly didnt wanna pay whatever license fees
2015-11-04T15:28:12 < dongs> cheap jews
2015-11-04T15:28:13 < Lt_Lemming> last two generations I think
2015-11-04T15:28:20 < Lt_Lemming> there's no license fee anymore
2015-11-04T15:28:36 < dongs> so then just jews
2015-11-04T15:28:43 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/67935456/soundduino-a-sd-sound-player-recorder-shield-for-a?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:28:57 < dongs> \https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/289714940/16-port-24-amps-per-port-usb-ipad-iphone-charging?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:29:00 < dongs> fuck
2015-11-04T15:29:03 < dongs> someone beat me to SUPERCHARGERPRO
2015-11-04T15:29:14 < Sync> rekt
2015-11-04T15:29:44 < BrainDamage> from the url i tought it was 24A per port, and i was wondering if it could be reused as shit spot welder
2015-11-04T15:29:51 < zyp> haha
2015-11-04T15:30:30 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1524339386/worlds-smallest-c64-emulator?ref=category
2015-11-04T15:30:33 < dongs> err wat
2015-11-04T15:30:34 < dongs> MCU - STMicroelectronics (STM32F756BGT6)
2015-11-04T15:31:52 < dongs> this guy should chill in here
2015-11-04T15:31:58 < dongs> why is he dickstarting a prototype
2015-11-04T15:32:15 < dongs> hm he wants 3.5k
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2015-11-04T15:40:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsnXf7O3oVg he did some crap wiht amiga emuloltor on fpga
2015-11-04T15:41:00 < dongs> or soemthin i duno
2015-11-04T15:41:03 < dongs> some video card
2015-11-04T15:41:06 < dongs> for failmiga
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2015-11-04T15:42:45 < Lt_Lemming> http://i.imgur.com/VBZXLpp.jpg
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2015-11-04T15:47:20 < dongs> http://www.solomon-systech.com/en/product/display-system-solutions/display-controller/ssd1962/ huh
2015-11-04T15:49:02 < dongs> thats kinda cute i duno
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2015-11-04T16:09:42 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/593183589/kegcop-ios-powered-smart-kegerator?ref=category
2015-11-04T16:09:45 < dongs> do i wanna google waht a kegerator is
2015-11-04T16:10:29 < Tectu> dongs, SSD1963 is a very popular display controller
2015-11-04T16:10:35 < Sync> it regates the keks
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2015-11-04T16:12:57 < Laurenceb> I lolled
2015-11-04T16:12:59 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8273449&cid=50861925
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2015-11-04T16:36:59 < aadamson> dongs that kickstarter wasn't mine, sheesh, I would never use KS it's such BS
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2015-11-04T16:41:28 < mtbg> asperger's may be not an illness since it most often doesn't impair successful and productive life
2015-11-04T16:42:02 < mtbg> but autism definitely is and seems to be pretty horrifying
2015-11-04T16:42:40 < stukdev> I don't understand why in this doc http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00096844.pdf pag 53 the address for option byte is 0x1FFF C000. But in the dfuse the command address is 0x1fffc00021. http://pastebin.com/UvE2EsnR and the order of byte is different :/
2015-11-04T16:44:51 < aadamson> Laurenceb, - http://spacenews.com/rail-launched-super-strypi-rocket-packed-with-cubesats-fails-after-liftoff/
2015-11-04T16:45:00 < dongs> yesss
2015-11-04T16:45:09 < Laurenceb> yeah seen that
2015-11-04T16:45:14 < Laurenceb> but I dont see the failure
2015-11-04T16:45:19 < dongs> fucking garbage cubesats
2015-11-04T16:45:20 < Laurenceb> maybe second stage ignition failed
2015-11-04T16:45:20 < dongs> is the failure
2015-11-04T16:45:24 < dongs> probly full of arduino shit
2015-11-04T16:45:49 < mtbg> measuring acceleration and temperature with modules from aliexpress?
2015-11-04T16:45:50 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-04T16:46:07 < aadamson> yeah, or they forgot to account for propellant burn vs. CG :)...
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2015-11-04T16:48:30 < aadamson> maybe they did, didn't see a mention, but I hope they had some way to jeteson the payload and recover it
2015-11-04T16:48:49 < Laurenceb> payload is dead
2015-11-04T16:49:41 < aadamson> ah well, more cubesats bite the dust ... :(
2015-11-04T16:49:56 < mtbg> someone should send a cubesat with a powerful xenon flash tube
2015-11-04T16:50:10 < mtbg> so that it would flash on night sky
2015-11-04T16:56:01 < Sync> somebody already did
2015-11-04T17:00:43 < Laurenceb> dongs has been busy  http://www.japanprobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gaijin-nose.jpg
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2015-11-04T17:05:45 < karlp> aadamson: what's "CG" ?
2015-11-04T17:06:10 < karlp> center of gravity?Ð
2015-11-04T17:09:01 < Sync> yep
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2015-11-04T17:21:09 < PatetOmnibus> Hi, I am trying to receive data on the stm32f0. It doesnt work^^ has someone experience regarding this problem?>
2015-11-04T17:22:09 < aadamson> karlp, yeah CG is center of gravity, you have to have CG ahead of CP (center of pressure) or else rockets become unstable
2015-11-04T17:22:15 < aadamson> https://spaceflightsystems.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/rktstab.html
2015-11-04T17:23:13 < aadamson> PatetOmnibus, that's about the most open ended question I could image.  what doesn't work, what are you trying to recieve, how, etc.  specifics help
2015-11-04T17:23:25 < akaWolf> PatetOmnibus: yeah, the problem with receiving data on f0 is a well known complexity
2015-11-04T17:23:34 < PatetOmnibus> yeah, sorry
2015-11-04T17:24:17 < PatetOmnibus> I am sending via uart and want to reveive a fixed length byte string
2015-11-04T17:24:36 < aadamson> the F0 is the reciever?
2015-11-04T17:24:48 < PatetOmnibus> i am trying so far without interrupts
2015-11-04T17:25:18 < aadamson> so did you go look at the examples in the standard peripheral library for the F0?
2015-11-04T17:25:20 < aadamson> I use an F0 all the time and I had no problems with uarts
2015-11-04T17:25:22 < dongs> have you looked at: stdperiphlib dirs
2015-11-04T17:25:24 < aadamson> interrrupt or not
2015-11-04T17:25:25 < dongs> shit, aadamson beat me to it
2015-11-04T17:25:30 < PatetOmnibus> yes, it should be, but i want it to work bidirectional, and sending works already
2015-11-04T17:25:34 < aadamson> hehe... I knew thats where you were going
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2015-11-04T17:26:04 < aadamson> so go look at the stdnperiphlib dirs (examples for specifics)
2015-11-04T17:26:04 < aadamson> it's all there, both TX and RX
2015-11-04T17:26:34 < aadamson> PatetOmnibus, - http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257884
2015-11-04T17:26:45 < PatetOmnibus> no i havent looked into that, i just use the stlink libs so far
2015-11-04T17:27:36 < aadamson> I have no idea what the stlink libs are.  I don't use the ST CUBE/HAL stuff, but I do use the stdperiplibs and so I know they work
2015-11-04T17:28:58 < PatetOmnibus> okay, thanks for the advise, I will read the docs and try to get my head arround
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2015-11-04T17:32:35 < dongs> huh the c64 guy stuff is opensores
2015-11-04T17:32:39 < dongs> the previoous version that used f4
2015-11-04T17:32:47 < dongs> http://www.staringlizard.com/images/staringlizard/memwa_schematics/memwa.png
2015-11-04T17:32:54 < dongs> nasty fucking eagle scheamtic
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2015-11-04T17:38:22 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F2B3P8
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2015-11-04T17:47:56 < dongs> We have an issue that Paypal are holding all the monies for the orders collected until the orders are shipped. So if you are happy to contact Paypal to ask for your money back then they are currently the ones holding it.
2015-11-04T17:48:22 < Laurenceb> facts:  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/RationalWiki
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2015-11-04T17:49:51 < kakimir> what to do with paypal moneys when you can't home it
2015-11-04T17:50:00 < kakimir> I'm asking for brothers friend..
2015-11-04T17:50:04 < kakimir> dongs: tell me
2015-11-04T17:50:09 < Laurenceb> Originally RW was to CP what SASS was to SA
2015-11-04T17:50:11 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-11-04T17:50:14 < ReadError> cant home it heh
2015-11-04T17:50:15 < dongs> wat
2015-11-04T17:50:22 < dongs> cant home it wat
2015-11-04T17:50:37 < ReadError> he cant put it in bank i guess
2015-11-04T17:50:40 < ReadError> or no ATM card
2015-11-04T17:51:16 < kakimir> if we have such rules in place that undocumented money basically is not money
2015-11-04T17:51:40 < kakimir> you have keuros in paypal
2015-11-04T17:51:45 < ReadError> paypal is documented tho
2015-11-04T17:51:49 < kakimir> how to blast it
2015-11-04T17:51:49 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7GpVQCfms
2015-11-04T17:51:55 < ReadError> kakimir send it to me
2015-11-04T17:51:57 < ReadError> ill spend it
2015-11-04T17:52:10 < dongs> kakimir: buy junk i guess
2015-11-04T17:52:13 < dongs> or do wat i do, do nothing
2015-11-04T17:52:17 < kakimir> When you run out of stuff to buy from ebay
2015-11-04T17:52:31 < kakimir> can you pay like flights or holidays with paypal?
2015-11-04T17:52:35 < dongs> kakimir: you can buy amazon gift certificates @ gyft.com
2015-11-04T17:52:37 < dongs> with paypal
2015-11-04T17:52:53 < kakimir> oh nice
2015-11-04T17:52:57 < dongs> there's a coupel american airlines that take gaypal but uh...
2015-11-04T17:53:00 < dongs> they require american paypal account.
2015-11-04T17:53:14 < dongs> ebookers uk (some ticket/flight shit) also takes paypal
2015-11-04T17:53:22 < dongs> but last time i tried to use it they took it, then rfunded it like ~5 hours later.
2015-11-04T17:53:31 < ReadError> did you ever get the mouser thing figured out? like can you order and have it sent direct to yapan
2015-11-04T17:53:33 < kakimir> needs uk paypal?
2015-11-04T17:53:35 < dongs> yes it works
2015-11-04T17:53:39 < dongs> oh, havent ried that
2015-11-04T17:53:40 < dongs> kakimir: no
2015-11-04T17:53:46 < dongs> that one worked noramlly, but they refunded duno why
2015-11-04T17:53:49 < dongs> no explanation
2015-11-04T17:53:59 < dongs> ReadError: i paid for 2 orders wiht gaypal
2015-11-04T17:54:02 < dongs> but both shipped to ak
2015-11-04T17:54:12 < kakimir> it was because of your email/paypal
2015-11-04T17:54:16 < dongs> ill try something direct to  JP next time when its not urgent
2015-11-04T17:54:41 < kakimir> dongs@dongs.jp
2015-11-04T17:54:42 < ReadError> yea there should be a page to edit shipping info
2015-11-04T17:54:53 < dongs> yes, theres a billto and shipto thing.
2015-11-04T17:55:03 < dongs> i know it works cuz people sendstuff to me with billto@ some other place and i receive it.
2015-11-04T17:55:07 < dongs> so it probly just works.
2015-11-04T17:55:08 < ReadError> imagine a lot of americans have shit sent to china
2015-11-04T17:55:14 < ReadError> or other countries
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2015-11-04T17:57:18 < dongs> remember when there were a few accounts on here telling us that it was nothing but a scam!? and everyone told him he was a haters...well he was right!
2015-11-04T17:57:27 < kakimir> dongs: you need to proxy ebookers?
2015-11-04T17:57:32 < dongs> kakimir: nope
2015-11-04T17:57:40 < dongs> just normally worked
2015-11-04T17:57:42 < kakimir> international site says nothing about paypal
2015-11-04T17:59:01 < kakimir> info about payment methods doesn't list it
2015-11-04T18:00:08 < dongs> hm maybe they removed it?
2015-11-04T18:00:53 < dongs> checking
2015-11-04T18:00:55 < kakimir> I wonder if there is site for paypal that when you need cash you pay someone and then you meet some nigga in dark alley who pulls pile of money from his pocket?
2015-11-04T18:01:16 < dongs> yes
2015-11-04T18:01:19 < kakimir> bitcoin kind of way
2015-11-04T18:01:20 < dongs> but they usually take too much #
2015-11-04T18:01:21 < dongs> %
2015-11-04T18:01:27 < kakimir> like 25?
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2015-11-04T18:01:35 < dongs> yeah i dont see gaypal on checkout anymore
2015-11-04T18:01:37 < kakimir> + fee
2015-11-04T18:02:18 < ReadError> paypal -> bitcoin -> drugs
2015-11-04T18:02:25 < ReadError> I know this is the endgame
2015-11-04T18:02:26 < dongs> oh, it wasnt ebookers
2015-11-04T18:02:29 < dongs> it was bravofly.com
2015-11-04T18:02:30 < dongs> lol
2015-11-04T18:02:42 < dongs> annd
2015-11-04T18:02:43 < dongs> hm
2015-11-04T18:02:43 < akaWolf> 19:02:18  ReadError paypal -> bitcoin -> drugs
2015-11-04T18:02:47 < dongs> they dont have paypal logo either
2015-11-04T18:02:51 < dongs> i foudn the refund email from gaypal
2015-11-04T18:02:56 < akaWolf> I though, last -- "gongs"
2015-11-04T18:03:00 < akaWolf> :)
2015-11-04T18:05:49 < dongs> hoho
2015-11-04T18:05:51 < dongs> still have paypal in checkout
2015-11-04T18:05:54 < dongs> kakimir: go try it out :)
2015-11-04T18:06:05 < dongs> http://www.bravofly.com/content/en/popup-paypal.html
2015-11-04T18:07:11 < Rob235> do you have to use mosfets for this if using a 12v V+? I'm guessing no but I wanted to check: www.adafruit.com/products/1429
2015-11-04T18:07:51 < dongs> new zano vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grmnz5hqdXk
2015-11-04T18:07:52 < kakimir> I need to tell my brothers that he tells to his scammer friend
2015-11-04T18:09:08 < dongs> haha
2015-11-04T18:09:11 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8srMCnJeM beep
2015-11-04T18:09:24 < dongs> Laurenceb_: check the props going ff/rev lol
2015-11-04T18:09:54 < Laurenceb> sounds unhealthy
2015-11-04T18:13:18 < kakimir> can zano land on vertical surface?
2015-11-04T18:13:25 < dongs> yes
2015-11-04T18:13:29 < dongs> it can even land upside down
2015-11-04T18:13:31 < dongs> and STAY there.
2015-11-04T18:13:43 < dongs> PERCH AND STARE (c) ivan torquing reedman
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2015-11-04T18:37:50 < Laurenceb> no it cant even fly
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2015-11-04T18:39:13 < __rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grmnz5hqdXk
2015-11-04T18:39:15 < __rob> thats a good one
2015-11-04T18:39:15 < __rob> lol
2015-11-04T18:41:20 < Steffann> Who ever decided to add like 30% administration fees to import taxes should ... [Insert somethind bad here]
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2015-11-04T18:43:47 < zyp> welcome to the club
2015-11-04T18:44:05 < zyp> did you read karlp's story?
2015-11-04T18:44:08 < zyp> http://false.ekta.is/2015/10/icelandic-post-handling-fees/
2015-11-04T18:46:07 < Steffann> Yeah i read that before
2015-11-04T18:46:36 < Steffann> At least i could pay online. DHL..
2015-11-04T18:48:04 < Steffann> So no weird receipts
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2015-11-04T19:26:35 < akaWolf> zyp: are you disappointed with high taxes?
2015-11-04T19:28:33 < zyp> it's not about the taxes, it's about the handling fees being silly high
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2015-11-04T19:29:41 < zyp> when the fee for tax collection is higher than the tax being collected itself, you have a pretty shitty situation
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2015-11-04T19:37:07 < tecdroid> hi
2015-11-04T19:37:35 < tecdroid> can i do something wrong with stm32f1 and can when it definitely sends something?
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2015-11-04T19:46:32 < mitrax> tecdroid: i suggest you write CAN in uppercase it would make your sentence less confusing :)
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2015-11-04T20:00:25 < PaulFertser> karlp: do you know some usb hubs allow to control per-port power from a host?
2015-11-04T20:04:47 < tecdroid> XD
2015-11-04T20:05:04 < tecdroid> mitrax, yes, you're right
2015-11-04T20:06:37 < tecdroid> i see a CAN signal on my oscilloscope but neither my banana pro nor a CAN debugger understands the data
2015-11-04T20:07:13 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: plenty of things can go wrong: all of the numerous CAN timing parameters.
2015-11-04T20:07:43 < kakimir> yan_: are you around?
2015-11-04T20:07:52 < tecdroid> yes.. i hope to have it running on 125k
2015-11-04T20:09:06 < tecdroid> http://codepaste.net/15yq61 this is my init function
2015-11-04T20:09:32 < tecdroid> as i know, apb1 clock runs on 32 MHz?
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2015-11-04T20:11:29 < tecdroid> 36
2015-11-04T20:12:09 < tecdroid> so, my prescaler should be 18 not 16 XD
2015-11-04T20:12:13 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: here's how I use it: http://paste.debian.net/322396/
2015-11-04T20:13:55 < tecdroid> interesting. you calculate it directly before running can..
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2015-11-04T20:14:22 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: yes, I wrote that
2015-11-04T20:14:38 < tecdroid> nice thing :)
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2015-11-04T20:20:12 < PaulFertser> PROP_SEG is calculated from the maximum line length you want to support
2015-11-04T20:20:22 < PaulFertser> (propogation segment)
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2015-11-04T20:23:33 < PaulFertser> I can note that CANOpen is a shitty shit but with CanFestival it's kinda OK.
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2015-11-04T20:28:00 < PaulFertser> I think I was using some TI appnote when implementing those CAN calculations, should have added a link in the sources, yes...
2015-11-04T20:33:25 < PaulFertser> Probably this one http://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/app_note/AN1798.pdf
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2015-11-04T21:30:50 < yan_> kakimir: yeah, what's up
2015-11-04T21:39:31 < kakimir> hello again
2015-11-04T21:41:45 < kakimir> I wonder if this wait functionality is essential to be used in order to terminate child process properly?
2015-11-04T21:42:59 < yan_> what functionality? wait()? it usually is.. you can signal and then waitpid
2015-11-04T21:43:12 < yan_> by signal i mean the kill() syscall
2015-11-04T21:43:17 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-04T21:44:43 < kakimir> what if main process is hypothetically time critical
2015-11-04T21:44:53 < yan_> what is the actual problem?
2015-11-04T21:45:25 < kakimir> well I don't know how long it may actually stay waiting
2015-11-04T21:45:37 < kakimir> is there any limit to it
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2015-11-04T21:46:48 < yan_> you don't have to block on waitpid(), you can use it to just check if the child process is still executing, and continue if it is
2015-11-04T21:47:13 < yan_> or you can force kill it with sigkill, but probably not a great idea
2015-11-04T21:48:46 < kakimir> okay nonblocking is "WNOHANG"
2015-11-04T21:54:39 < yan_> yeah
2015-11-04T21:57:56 < kakimir> is stream working in such way that process is halted every time it puts data out until another end of stream is read?
2015-11-04T21:58:36 < kakimir> *paused
2015-11-04T22:00:57 < kakimir> so program can be deadlocked if done foolishly
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2015-11-04T22:08:45 < yan_> kakimir: yes, but if you use blocking reads/writes. you can also do it asynchronously with APIs like poll() or select()
2015-11-04T22:10:00 < kakimir> do those streams put out one character at the time?
2015-11-04T22:10:29 < kakimir> or blocks of data
2015-11-04T22:10:31 < Nepho> Hey! I just got a stm32 f4 discovery and would like to code some stuff on it using Ada. I got all the tools I need and could get the led to blink, yay. Now I'd like to use the touch-screen on it, but I have no clue on how to do that, is there any lib that I could use ?
2015-11-04T22:11:04 < kakimir> yan_: does it need to cycle once between processes to transmit one character
2015-11-04T22:11:06 < Nepho> (all the tools = toolchain, st-util...)
2015-11-04T22:11:28 < yan_> kakimir: no, it's block-oriented, but you shouldn't worry about block sizes, just read/write as much as you need in reasonable sizes
2015-11-04T22:11:45 < yan_> kakimir: there is buffering at both the libc level and the os level
2015-11-04T22:11:53 < kakimir> oh
2015-11-04T22:11:54 < kakimir> good
2015-11-04T22:12:42 < kakimir> I thought it was like rope that you pull from another end so another end moves one character at the time
2015-11-04T22:13:24 < yan_> you can read a character at a time, but you probably won't. read() and write() both take count as arguments
2015-11-04T22:16:05 < karlp> PaulFertser: most hub chips let you do it, many hub designs don't bother connecting those outputs to switches to do so.
2015-11-04T22:16:52 < PaulFertser> karlp: yep, unfortunately :/
2015-11-04T22:17:55 < karlp> Nepho: remember, it's ada, you're in your own little secure beautiful pretty world.
2015-11-04T22:18:12 < karlp> the hub I'm (still, fucking mchp) laying out I'm not bothering with port power control either :)
2015-11-04T22:18:54 < karlp> I've seen it in some unexpected places though, my old zhone wireless router thing had port power control chips and everything, even though the usb ports were disabled in software
2015-11-04T22:18:59 < Nepho> karlp: what's up with Ada? It's actually the first time I use this language
2015-11-04T22:19:36 < karlp> then why did you choose it?
2015-11-04T22:19:47 < Nepho> karlp: I didn't, someone asked me to :D
2015-11-04T22:20:26 < zyp> on what basis?
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2015-11-04T22:21:49 < Steffanx> that chip isn't really microchip is it karlp .. its only microchip because microchip bought the company that actually designed it.
2015-11-04T22:22:25 < zyp> smsc? yeah
2015-11-04T22:22:34 < Steffanx> yes
2015-11-04T22:25:26 < karlp> they've at least admitted that it ahs a DFU mode, still  just want to palm me off and say I needed to have it in reset longer,
2015-11-04T22:25:35 < karlp> still won't admit that there is some magic mode on the pins that will do it.
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2015-11-04T22:26:28 < karlp> but whatever, at least I've got them to speak to me, so I'm just working on sw instead
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2015-11-04T23:03:59 < Sync> goddamn realtek
2015-11-04T23:11:58 < kakimir> how thin the ice is if you start doing everything on external programs just by piping streams
2015-11-04T23:12:03 < kakimir> ?
2015-11-04T23:12:37 < karlp> as opposed to?
2015-11-04T23:12:42 < kakimir> apis
2015-11-04T23:13:13 < kakimir> or doing thing by program itself
2015-11-04T23:14:03 < kakimir> just meditating this thing.
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2015-11-04T23:16:13 < mtbg> https://vine.co/v/eDeVgbFrt9L
2015-11-04T23:20:23 < kakimir> now cat owners know what cats are for
2015-11-04T23:20:40 < kakimir> one thing
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2015-11-04T23:29:50 < mitrax> ahahahaah
2015-11-04T23:34:22 < kakimir> propably you need a cat operator still to hold cat in place
2015-11-04T23:35:57 < kakimir> and turn it to focus it's attention to work object
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2015-11-05T00:08:44 < jadew> ok... so facebook just became awesome
2015-11-05T00:09:30 < jadew> you know how there's a huge protest going on in Romania, right? well, everyone seems to coordinate via facebook and they're more aware of everything that's going on than every before
2015-11-05T00:09:44 < jadew> for example, they figured out that there are infiltrated agitators in the crowd
2015-11-05T00:09:55 < jadew> they were identified and exposed
2015-11-05T00:10:58 < jadew> it's actually quite interesting to see so many people working together and sorting through the bullshit at such a fast rate
2015-11-05T00:11:02 < jadew> *high rate
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2015-11-05T00:15:56 < kakimir> jadew: what is that romanian stuff about?
2015-11-05T00:16:15 < jadew> corruption
2015-11-05T00:16:19 < jadew> but it started because of that fire
2015-11-05T00:17:49 < jadew> 25 000 people went out yesterday (in my city), 35 k today
2015-11-05T00:18:02 < jadew> it seems like this whole thing is gaining momentum
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2015-11-05T00:23:01 < obnauticus> Does anyone here have any good examples of I2C and SPI projects on ChibiOS for the STM32F4xx (/discovery kit)
2015-11-05T00:23:07 < obnauticus> I want to learn how to write a driver for a chip
2015-11-05T00:24:23 < Fleck> obnauticus: #chibios ? :)
2015-11-05T00:24:23 < obnauticus> I think I understand most of the libraries, it's the weird boolean arithmatic that trips me up
2015-11-05T00:24:28 < obnauticus> Fleck:  that might help
2015-11-05T00:27:56 < obnauticus> Fleck: what about in terms of writing drivers? I think that's a more broad question
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2015-11-05T00:30:06 < Fleck> obnauticus: you can ask also initial q., no problem with that, just saying there is chibios channel! :)
2015-11-05T00:30:16 < Fleck> I don't use chibios, so don't know!
2015-11-05T00:30:48 < obnauticus> True, I just see writing drivers for SPI Bus as being independant from ChibiOS
2015-11-05T00:31:43 < Fleck> afaik chibios uses cmsis headers so... :) what's the problem?
2015-11-05T00:31:57 < obnauticus> uhh
2015-11-05T00:32:02 < obnauticus> not even sure what that means
2015-11-05T00:32:08 < obnauticus> i have seen CMSIS before
2015-11-05T00:34:30 < upgrdman_> do any of the f4 or f3 chips have flash with small pages? ("sectors"?) like 1 or 2KB... so a bunch of pages, but easier to use for NV storage.
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2015-11-05T00:58:59 < karlp> upgrdman_: use L series to have the real eeprom, or use kinetis to have flexnvram :)
2015-11-05T01:00:54 < upgrdman_> does l series have 200+KB eeprom?
2015-11-05T01:03:08 < karlp> that's a silly amoutn of nvram you're hoping to use, and if you want that much why do the pages need to be only 1k?
2015-11-05T01:04:20 < upgrdman_> lots of tables, each a little under 1KB
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2015-11-05T01:16:44 < upgrdman_> does eMMC have large page sizes?
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2015-11-05T01:53:33 < Laurenceb_> I think eMMC is 512bytes
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2015-11-05T02:13:31 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HC89KRV7l9M
2015-11-05T02:22:51 < dongs> http://psyland25.com/en/shop/warenkorb/?wpsg_action=showProdukt&produkt_id=20
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2015-11-05T03:23:11 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/tiVmU   finally starting to look like a hexacopter
2015-11-05T03:23:38 < jadew> what does it do better than a quadcopter?
2015-11-05T03:24:25 < Rob235> more stable, can lift heaver loads? i dunno, never flew either
2015-11-05T03:24:28 < Rob235> first one
2015-11-05T03:24:28 < jadew> are those LEDs on the back?
2015-11-05T03:24:31 < Rob235> yea
2015-11-05T03:25:12 < Rob235> theres also 3 leds on the end of each arm, you can kind of see them in the first pic
2015-11-05T03:25:43 < jadew> good use of battery power
2015-11-05T03:26:21 < jadew> are they addresable?
2015-11-05T03:26:22 < Rob235> they don't all have to be on
2015-11-05T03:26:34 < Rob235> the ones under the arms are, the 3 on the end of each arm arent
2015-11-05T03:27:01 < jadew> looks nice
2015-11-05T03:27:04 < Rob235> thanks
2015-11-05T03:27:21 < Rob235> its my first hardware project.  learning a lot
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2015-11-05T03:27:47 < Rob235> trying to keep the wiring neat is driving me crazy
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2015-11-05T03:40:22 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q6-ijWCAeo#t=1m59s
2015-11-05T03:40:24 < jadew> YouTube: How to perform nasal cleaning with Neti Pot by PranaLine
2015-11-05T03:41:33 < jadew> http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Best+porn+ever+inb4+tankz+for+red+line+i+2tlly_b7bdbe_3806678.jpg
2015-11-05T03:45:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ts9958q.gifv hax
2015-11-05T03:45:54 < dongs> looks like DJI trash
2015-11-05T03:45:58 < dongs> @ Rob235
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2015-11-05T03:48:05 < Rob235> thanks for the words of encouragement
2015-11-05T03:48:30 < Rob235> what frame would you use
2015-11-05T03:49:31 < Rob235> its a tarot 680 pro btw
2015-11-05T03:55:54 < dongs> yeah i forgot chinese are too dumb to innovate
2015-11-05T03:56:03 < dongs> so they just throw shit in the air and copy what falls down
2015-11-05T03:57:01 < Rob235> so whats an example of a good frame?
2015-11-05T03:58:56 < aandrew> and of course, now an article about 2100 sheep on a 747 being diverted due to the sheep farts causing a smoke detector malfunction: http://www.newsweek.com/sheep-farts-force-malaysian-bound-flight-emergency-landing-390738
2015-11-05T03:59:48 < aandrew> dongs: I've used a drill to twist wires before, never thought to wrap in tape. Wouldn't that cause it to twist up and knot like crazy though?
2015-11-05T04:00:08 < aandrew> I'd run them in snakeskin before I'd tape them I think, although that is a cheap way to do it
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2015-11-05T04:04:00 < obnauticus> Does anyone here know of any good simulators for the stm32f4?
2015-11-05T04:04:12 < obnauticus> I just want one that can show me timing diagrams for code i've written on different outputs...
2015-11-05T04:04:14 < aandrew> simulators? no. I don't simulate generally
2015-11-05T04:05:39 < obnauticus> emulator
2015-11-05T04:05:40 < obnauticus> simulator
2015-11-05T04:05:41 < obnauticus> idk
2015-11-05T04:08:08 < aandrew> I don't use either, sorry
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2015-11-05T04:15:58 < Rob235> shocking... criticize someone and when asked for constructive input they disappear
2015-11-05T04:23:23 < dongs> obnauticus: keil has simulator and it can breakpoint on I/O access so you can adjust the registers accordingly
2015-11-05T04:23:31 < dongs> duno if it will show you "timing' tho. what are you trying to do exactly?
2015-11-05T04:31:34 < obnauticus> dongs: idk, im just pulling straws for an idea dev envrionment
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2015-11-05T04:53:25 < dongs> rob, generally huge + heavy blocks of FR4 covered with heavy copper is not something you want on a thing thats flying yanno
2015-11-05T04:57:05 < emeb_mac> where's the fun in that?
2015-11-05T05:22:17 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/dTP7VS8.jpg
2015-11-05T05:22:23 < ReadError> priorities?
2015-11-05T05:24:46 < ReadError> he is using ur escs dongs
2015-11-05T05:24:51 < ReadError> so thats a plus
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2015-11-05T05:32:15 < dongs> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907
2015-11-05T05:32:16 < dongs> wat
2015-11-05T05:36:00 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/95H732j.jpg
2015-11-05T05:36:05 < ReadError> got my first solder rocket ;)
2015-11-05T05:36:25 < dongs> uh, leaded?
2015-11-05T05:36:32 < dongs> also, that totally looks for PERSONAL USE
2015-11-05T05:36:35 < ReadError> yup
2015-11-05T05:36:48 < ReadError> dongs cost was same as 2-3 zeph
2015-11-05T05:36:50 < dongs> i remember wehn I had a 100mg jar of paste for personal use, it lasted liek a fucking year
2015-11-05T05:37:05 < dongs> or 100ml or wahtever
2015-11-05T05:37:07 < ReadError> im playing with stencil now so will probably waste a bunch
2015-11-05T05:37:13 < dongs> riite
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2015-11-05T06:29:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rd5jhzV.gifv
2015-11-05T06:34:33 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/I0CnMUg.gifv
2015-11-05T06:36:00 < dongs> funny level: american sports
2015-11-05T06:47:30 < ReadError> dongs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3302272/ISIS-bomber-alive-blowing-HALF-botched-suicide-attack-Yemen-manages-speak-shocked-bystanders.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
2015-11-05T06:47:35 < ReadError> find the original funny sores
2015-11-05T06:47:44 < ReadError> i know you browse them isis vid sites
2015-11-05T07:13:00 < dongs> ReadError: seen like 24h ago
2015-11-05T07:13:15 < dongs> actual video
2015-11-05T07:13:16 < dongs> with the guy moving
2015-11-05T07:13:17 < ReadError> i dont recall the raw vid tweet
2015-11-05T07:13:43 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe7_1446541290
2015-11-05T07:14:57 < ReadError> damn nuts
2015-11-05T07:20:10 < upgrdman> lol  http://buzzifrog.com/posts/1
2015-11-05T07:24:40 < dongs> pro unboxing
2015-11-05T07:25:16 < dongs> wait is that a golf club
2015-11-05T07:25:42 < upgrdman> yessir
2015-11-05T07:26:31 < dongs> my gookpal is a pro golfer and drives a M3
2015-11-05T07:26:34 < dongs> retweeting to him sap
2015-11-05T07:26:35 < dongs> asap
2015-11-05T07:26:51 < dongs> lol why is there TV studio camera there
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2015-11-05T07:29:21 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XgJrPMxvvg latest zano footage
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2015-11-05T07:48:49 < Getty> uh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1BHhMQUGyo
2015-11-05T07:49:20 < Getty> ah august already, but didnt thought yet press talking about the "setbacks"
2015-11-05T07:49:33 < Getty> s/thought/saw/
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2015-11-05T07:54:26 < GargantuaSauce> https://i.imgur.com/E6IosVH.jpg
2015-11-05T07:54:29 < GargantuaSauce> aidsfruit at it again
2015-11-05T07:54:54 < dongs> loool
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2015-11-05T08:17:08 < dongs> So my guess is that they have learned that there design won't work and likely never will work. They have spent nearly all of their money on faulty components and can't deliver when they promised. So they are likely spending most of their time with their lawyers trying to figure out their liability and determine how best to escape this mess.
2015-11-05T08:17:13 < dongs> Our next update will be "We are sorry to report that due to production limitations the Zano is no longer in production. We apologize and would like to refund your money but have spent it all. We are working on ways to make good on our promises to you, our loyal backers and will let you know what we come up with ASAP."
2015-11-05T08:17:18 < dongs> This announcement will be followed by months and months of silence until everyone has moved on.
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2015-11-05T08:21:07 < Getty> dongs: you wish ;)
2015-11-05T08:21:22 < emeb_mac> dongs will never move on.
2015-11-05T08:21:32 < emeb_mac> shit never gets old
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2015-11-05T08:25:04 < dongs> last i heard ivan was working on stabilization based on camera feed object detection
2015-11-05T08:25:13 < dongs> (on pic32)
2015-11-05T08:25:29 < ReadError> maybe they should make the thing fly first
2015-11-05T08:25:38 < dongs> but those are just failsafes
2015-11-05T08:25:45 < dongs> little thingsbut very neceesary
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2015-11-05T08:38:47 < aandrew> that sounds like their biggest problem
2015-11-05T08:38:59 < aandrew> they had a dream, thought "let's raise $money and then figure it out"
2015-11-05T08:39:02 < aandrew> never works
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2015-11-05T08:42:12 < aandrew> heh looks like zano's really good at taking pictures on the ground
2015-11-05T08:44:47 < aandrew> I'm still waiting for dongscopter to hit ks
2015-11-05T09:00:27 < Roklobsta> You say 'dongscopter', I think this.  http://www.horkulated.com/penis-planejpg/
2015-11-05T09:06:26 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure he was behind that
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2015-11-05T10:25:42 < dongs> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/danchar/archive/2015/06/16/surface-pro-3-landscape-docking-station-teardown-part-2.aspx#10652072 cool
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2015-11-05T11:31:01 < dongs> man semiconductor acquisiotion shit is weird as fuck
2015-11-05T11:31:09 < dongs> lattice bought siliconimage
2015-11-05T11:31:20 < dongs> and synaptics! bought IDT video/monitor related division
2015-11-05T11:31:33 < dongs> which happened to be the only maker of displayport MST hubs
2015-11-05T11:31:52 < dongs> and i guess synaptics odenst have anyone to support/improve that product line
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2015-11-05T11:38:52 < dongs> http://synaptics.com/en/video-products.php
2015-11-05T11:39:32 < dongs> thats all, dont bother listing what the fuck you bought etc
2015-11-05T11:40:19 < dongs> https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2011/09/07/qualcomm-acquire-hqv-and-frc-video-processing-assets-idt lol..
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2015-11-05T11:48:16 < karlp> what are "ASSPs"? http://www.latticesemi.com/About/Newsroom/PressReleases/2015/201509LatticeAcquiresSiliconImage.aspx
2015-11-05T11:48:34 < karlp> Application Specific Soooper proce55orz?
2015-11-05T11:48:34 < dongs> application specific shit
2015-11-05T11:48:37 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-05T11:48:58 < dongs> like a displayport hub is ASSP
2015-11-05T11:49:07 < dongs> or hdmi>mhl bridge etc.
2015-11-05T11:49:27 < karlp> why do they need a special name? what was wrong with just IC, or asic?
2015-11-05T11:49:59 < dongs> Prius/Tesla application tool
2015-11-05T11:50:09 < dongs> karlp: duno, its not  asic cuz its more mass-produced i guess
2015-11-05T11:53:46 < karlp> don't suppose anyone knows of a pastebin cli thing that includes the command line itself?
2015-11-05T11:55:59 < ReadError> new oven firmware is much nicer, just ran a cycle on it, much more responsive and less chinese
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2015-11-05T12:15:55 < dongs> ur less chinese
2015-11-05T12:20:44 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1442402#msg1442402
2015-11-05T12:20:51 < dongs> snoredrive
2015-11-05T12:21:55 < Laurenceb> ur all gonna be pwnd by emdrive next year 4 realz
2015-11-05T12:22:23 < Roklobsta> i'm gonna kickstart emdrive right now.  Money now, engineering issues later.
2015-11-05T12:22:37 < Roklobsta> isn't that how kickstarter goes?
2015-11-05T12:22:45 < dongs> yes
2015-11-05T12:22:49 < dongs> make a super flashy video
2015-11-05T12:23:06 < Roklobsta> i know, drone with emdrive.
2015-11-05T12:23:06 < dongs> have those screens that project image into your face
2015-11-05T12:23:15 < dongs> to add realism
2015-11-05T12:23:32 < Roklobsta> have you done this before?
2015-11-05T12:23:43 < dongs> < zano marketing director
2015-11-05T12:24:07 < Laurenceb> omg
2015-11-05T12:24:19 < Laurenceb> emdrive zano powered by e-cat and backlight power
2015-11-05T12:24:27 < Roklobsta> dongs: i bet you'd snap like a twig if a rugby ball was thrown your way.  and you're not australia.  you can't possibly be in zano marketing.
2015-11-05T12:24:47 < dongs> emdrive drone does sound prety cool, but you'd have a hard time convincing anyone it worked
2015-11-05T12:25:01 < Laurenceb> details, details
2015-11-05T12:25:24 < Roklobsta> well, it uses the wifi signal to be wifi *and* accelerate drone in any direction.
2015-11-05T12:26:11 < Roklobsta> I am thinking of that hovering assassin needle from Bladerunner.
2015-11-05T12:27:38 < dongs> Technical details of permanent failure:
2015-11-05T12:27:39 < dongs> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain synaptics-jpn.com by mx.yandex.net. [2a02:6b8::89].
2015-11-05T12:27:42 < dongs> lol
2015-11-05T12:27:45 < dongs> what a fucking joke
2015-11-05T12:28:24 < dongs> haha synaptics-jpn looks liek a fucking parked domain
2015-11-05T12:28:32 < Roklobsta> Ah not Bladrunner, I meant Dune.  Same era OTT scifi movie.
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2015-11-05T12:28:49 < dongs> Creation Date: 27-aug-2014
2015-11-05T12:28:51 < dongs> yeah lol
2015-11-05T12:29:01 < dongs> someone snapped it up after synapics expired that shit in 2011/12
2015-11-05T12:29:37 < Roklobsta> who's going to support my touchpad now?
2015-11-05T12:34:49 < dongs> your dick
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2015-11-05T12:45:35 < jpa-> luls, st's dfuse "How to use": "4. Use it!"
2015-11-05T12:45:58 < jpa-> i just want to know which of "upload" and "download" means "put the fricking program on the mcu"
2015-11-05T12:46:46 < jpa-> looks like "download"
2015-11-05T12:47:14 < dongs> yeah haha
2015-11-05T12:47:21 < dongs> that confuses peoples
2015-11-05T12:52:17 < Laurenceb> haha I've seen that
2015-11-05T12:52:29 < Laurenceb>  "upload the data" in datalogger manual
2015-11-05T12:52:36 < Laurenceb> means copy the data onto PC
2015-11-05T12:53:57 < Roklobsta> is it a language thing?  e.g. germans say 'upload' in german and we mean download in english?
2015-11-05T13:02:16 < jpa-> hmph dfusedemo.exe just crashes
2015-11-05T13:02:23 < dongs> on download?
2015-11-05T13:02:31 < jpa-> when i try to run it
2015-11-05T13:02:31 < dongs> i never got upload to work
2015-11-05T13:02:33 < dongs> oh
2015-11-05T13:02:37 < dongs> no, i got past that.
2015-11-05T13:02:51 < jpa-> stdfutester.exe works, as in starts, but seems not to program correctly
2015-11-05T13:02:56 < jpa-> such crap, i'll use lunix
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2015-11-05T13:07:45 < jpa-> success
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2015-11-05T13:29:00 < akaWolf> jpa-: stfu? :)
2015-11-05T13:29:28 < akaWolf> tester, heh
2015-11-05T13:30:31 < ReadError> yea the tester didnt seem to do fuckall here
2015-11-05T13:30:38 < ReadError> but dfusedemo works fine
2015-11-05T13:30:44 < ReadError> (3.0.3)
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2015-11-05T13:44:01 < dongs> It's for Enhance ESD on dock issue
2015-11-05T13:55:42 < zyp> stdfu sounds like «standard fuckup»
2015-11-05T13:56:17 < dongs> aids fuckup
2015-11-05T13:56:31 < zyp> still no gd32 nudes?
2015-11-05T13:56:45 < dongs> nup
2015-11-05T13:56:59 < dongs> last twat that useless opamp shit
2015-11-05T13:57:06 < dongs> he's had it for ~48 hours now
2015-11-05T13:57:09 < dongs> or more i duno
2015-11-05T13:57:09 < dongs> whatever
2015-11-05T13:57:10 < dongs> few days
2015-11-05T13:58:12 < zyp> oh, what happened with that invoice anyway?
2015-11-05T13:58:19 < dongs> still not ready :(
2015-11-05T13:58:23 < zyp> heh
2015-11-05T14:00:03 < Sync> who did you send it to dongs?
2015-11-05T14:00:52 < dongs> zeptobars
2015-11-05T14:03:00 < Sync> ah
2015-11-05T14:07:15 < dongs> Also directly 'program managed' some of the larger and/or more strategic HDTV/video/PC monitor programs, including the successful development and launch of the world.s first DisplayPort monitor with lead customer, Dell, as well as successful programs with HP, and leading ODMs.
2015-11-05T14:07:23 < dongs> this fucking asshole is responsible for hte clusterfuck that is UP2414Q
2015-11-05T14:07:51 < zyp> hmm?
2015-11-05T14:07:56 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/pub/janice-mori/4/574/b7
2015-11-05T14:07:58 < dongs> this guy
2015-11-05T14:08:09 < dongs> ex-genesis microchip ex-st now-works-for-synaptics
2015-11-05T14:08:19 < dongs> Built and led a team of four program managers, that provided leadership to ~7 program teams ranging in size from 7 to 10 core members each across multiple functional and product divisions in the company.
2015-11-05T14:08:23 < dongs> haha
2015-11-05T14:08:29 < dongs> so this manager guy
2015-11-05T14:08:35 < dongs> made 4 MORE program managers
2015-11-05T14:08:41 < dongs> to manage engineers
2015-11-05T14:08:44 < dongs> and thier shit is still broek
2015-11-05T14:09:27 < Sync> pro
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2015-11-05T14:16:49 < Sync> oh dongs those silicon sensing gyros are nice
2015-11-05T14:19:40 < Laurenceb> yo dawg
2015-11-05T14:45:38 < akaWolf> dongs: btw what with zano?
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2015-11-05T14:45:56 < mtbg> hi
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2015-11-05T15:04:04 < dongs> akaWolf: dead/dying
2015-11-05T15:08:47 < akaWolf> not surprisingly
2015-11-05T15:08:59 < Fleck> privet akaWolf
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2015-11-05T15:10:32 < akaWolf> Fleck: privet :)
2015-11-05T15:17:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dI8xnCj.gifv
2015-11-05T15:18:00 < dongs> typical dickstarter project
2015-11-05T15:18:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_qah8oIzCwk
2015-11-05T15:18:28 < dongs> ah finally someone linked this shit while i was on pc
2015-11-05T15:18:32 < dongs> lets see wat the fuck it is
2015-11-05T15:20:44 < dongs> zano compettition
2015-11-05T15:23:24 < karlp> yeah, used a "real" cpu to do the obstacle avoidance instead of hand optimized sin pic32
2015-11-05T15:24:09 < mtbg> zano disabled purchasing the drone on their website
2015-11-05T15:24:16 < dongs> old news
2015-11-05T15:24:25 < Sync> they should have used nvidias ADAS shits
2015-11-05T15:24:25 < dongs> two rumors why
2015-11-05T15:24:55 < dongs> 1 is shitpal limited their funds for 21+ days until they have shipped all orders and 2 is that trade standards is looking into thier practices
2015-11-05T15:25:43 < mtbg> I've watched some real interviews with reece
2015-11-05T15:25:54 < mtbg> he claimed that zano can record 1080p@60fps
2015-11-05T15:26:14 < dongs> not in mjpeg
2015-11-05T15:26:19 < Laurenceb> lolnoway
2015-11-05T15:26:20 < dongs> not in this century
2015-11-05T15:26:38 < Sync> the imager probably can
2015-11-05T15:26:40 < mtbg> why do marketing people claim things that are not yet implemented and dubious about possibility of implementation?
2015-11-05T15:26:44 < Sync> but not the dum32
2015-11-05T15:27:01 < mtbg> it is counterproductive both for them
2015-11-05T15:27:04 < mtbg> and for customers
2015-11-05T15:27:42 < Sync> dongs: do you know the market for highspeed image sensors?
2015-11-05T15:28:03 < dongs> shrug? some industrial shit? i think Onsemi makes a bunch
2015-11-05T15:28:07 < mitrax> mtbg: because marketing people are fucking idiots who think short term
2015-11-05T15:28:10 < dongs> but they're all hardcore nda
2015-11-05T15:28:22 < Sync> apparently there is 240fps 4k shits with all area windowing
2015-11-05T15:29:44 < dongs> nice
2015-11-05T15:29:52 < dongs> the interface for that is probly hte biggest issue
2015-11-05T15:30:02 < Sync> there is the cmosis cmv12000
2015-11-05T15:30:11 < Sync> which does 4k 300fps
2015-11-05T15:30:18 < Sync> but can only window in X
2015-11-05T15:30:28 < Sync> and sensitivity is dum
2015-11-05T15:31:15 < Sync> well most of them are lvds
2015-11-05T15:32:30 < Sync> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NOIP1SN025KA-D.PDF doesn't really look that NDAed to me
2015-11-05T15:34:18 < dongs> 4.6 W Power Dissipation at Full Resolution, x32 LVDS
2015-11-05T15:34:18 < dongs> Mode
2015-11-05T15:34:19 < dongs> nice
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2015-11-05T15:34:40 < mtbg> http://www.visengi.com/products/jpeg_hardware_encoder
2015-11-05T15:34:46 < Sync> well, I think the the 4k 240fps sensor is made by sonny
2015-11-05T15:34:54 < Sync> because they just released a camera that does that
2015-11-05T15:35:01 < dongs> mtbg, the omnivision shitcam has jpeg codec on it
2015-11-05T15:35:07 < Laurenceb> yeah but you have to do somethign with all the data
2015-11-05T15:35:14 < Laurenceb> high speed is hard
2015-11-05T15:35:30 < Laurenceb> harder than Jimmy Saviles cock
2015-11-05T15:35:44 < mtbg> http://www.visengi.com/products/h264_encoder
2015-11-05T15:36:00 < mtbg> 4k@90 with 50kLUT
2015-11-05T15:36:40 < Sync> Laurenceb: just dump to nand
2015-11-05T15:37:35 < karlp> someone else's problem!
2015-11-05T15:38:04 < mtbg> multiplex over many microsd cards
2015-11-05T15:38:05 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-05T15:38:42 < pid> :-D
2015-11-05T15:39:04 < dongs> my pal baked 2 from here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera?ref=category
2015-11-05T15:39:07 < dongs> one is mine
2015-11-05T15:39:07 < dongs> if he ever deliversr
2015-11-05T15:39:14 < dongs> but the spec is pretty boring ,i think current iphone can already do thsi
2015-11-05T15:40:16 < Sync> well apparently he is close
2015-11-05T15:40:25 < Sync> I thought about it, but eh
2015-11-05T15:40:28 < Sync> not so sure
2015-11-05T15:40:33 < dongs> was free 4 me so i dont mind
2015-11-05T15:40:40 < dongs> if he falez im out nothing
2015-11-05T15:41:40 < dongs> he's been super reluctant to post non-fuzzy videos tho
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2015-11-05T15:45:55 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-05T15:49:05 < dongs> so that onsemi thing is 120fps @ 4k
2015-11-05T15:49:49 < dongs> and costs $4.5k/ea
2015-11-05T15:50:05 < dongs> clearly hobby-grade
2015-11-05T15:50:08 < Sync> apparently the fps1000 guy uses the cmosis thing
2015-11-05T15:50:17 < dongs> he used something from onsemi i thought
2015-11-05T15:54:13 < dongs> Sync: which cmosis is he using then
2015-11-05T15:57:11 < Sync> cmv12000
2015-11-05T15:59:03 < dongs> ic
2015-11-05T15:59:06 < Laurenceb> http://36.media.tumblr.com/2480a3f923d7a13fedbacc1ce6f67da4/tumblr_nf3tvrd1hf1u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg
2015-11-05T15:59:17 < dongs> tldr
2015-11-05T15:59:45 < Laurenceb> relevant to dongs:   http://40.media.tumblr.com/65449b7c45697d02f08ff2e313b4ce68/tumblr_ndx92rLmq61u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg
2015-11-05T16:01:16 < mtbg> we shouldn't have had come down from a tree
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2015-11-05T16:11:12 < Fleck> maybe somebody can suggest IC for audio processing, where I can change EQ, volume, balance, maybe even more stuff, for use in audio preamp, with ADC and DAC inside so that after processing I can hook it up to power amp...
2015-11-05T16:12:13 < dongs> they exist
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2015-11-05T16:14:22 < dongs> Fleck: http://www.ebay.com/itm/180920315885
2015-11-05T16:14:59 < Fleck> ok, I would like something more advanced though, like 6 or more band EQ
2015-11-05T16:15:40 < Fleck> paramertric EQ would be awesome :D
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2015-11-05T16:17:04 < dongs> Available in 63-Bump WLP Package (3.80mm x 3.30mm, 0.4mm Pitch)
2015-11-05T16:17:48 < Laurenceb> happy soldering
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2015-11-05T16:18:17 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-11-05T18:40:26 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/bldc-layout.png    review my layout
2015-11-05T18:49:52 < karlp> what's U4?
2015-11-05T18:50:11 < jpa-> accelerometer
2015-11-05T18:50:24 < jpa-> lsm6ds3
2015-11-05T18:50:27 < Sync> oh, different formfactor for the vedder bldc driver?
2015-11-05T18:50:47 < jpa-> Sync: + onboard bluetooth & accelerometer & a few connectors customized
2015-11-05T18:50:59 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-05T18:51:04 < jpa-> & actually place for the filter caps, instead of them dangling off the board
2015-11-05T18:51:11 < Sync> not sure if I'm a fan of the TI gatedrive thing
2015-11-05T18:51:24 < jpa-> why not?
2015-11-05T18:51:48 < jpa-> it seems to do everything :)
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2015-11-05T18:53:04 < Sync> because of the low maximum supply voltage
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2015-11-05T18:53:23 < jpa-> ah, yeah, could matter for some uses
2015-11-05T18:53:30 < jpa-> i'm at around 40V anyway
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2015-11-05T18:55:30 < karlp> no layer numbers in the copper?
2015-11-05T18:56:08 < jpa-> hm, maybe i should
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2015-11-05T18:56:20 < jpa-> not like seeed would mess up or anything
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2015-11-05T19:05:01 < scrts> jpa-: is it altium?
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2015-11-05T19:05:53 < jpa-> scrts: no, kicad
2015-11-05T19:07:42 < scrts> seems nice:)
2015-11-05T19:08:09 < jpa-> sucks a bit by not having separate clearance DRC for middle layers
2015-11-05T19:08:16 < jpa-> had to do separate offline DRC for that
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2015-11-05T19:48:55 < Getty> I am always fascinated by Law & Order car crashs
2015-11-05T19:49:37 < Getty> so much budget for making so real environment, and then a car crash like made in india bollywood
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2015-11-05T20:10:04 < Rob235> ugh, I wish I knew what I was doing.  I'm trying to power two sets of led strips and don't know if I need mosfets or how to output at 5v on the stm32f4 discovery board
2015-11-05T20:10:07 < Rob235> i have this: www.adafruit.com/products/1429 connecting to 6 non addressable rgb strips of 3 leds each in series (12v) I don't know if I need mosfets for that.  Then I have a 72 rgb led strip of addressable that apparently need a 5v signal
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2015-11-05T20:15:39 < artag> It's not an ideal combination. The PWM driver is designed to restrict the current to a programmable value (I haven't looked it up but it seems to be around 10-20mA, typical for a single led)
2015-11-05T20:16:17 < artag> It has a high voltage output so it is intended to drive the same current through any of 24 strings of leds in series
2015-11-05T20:17:05 < Rob235> I think its 15mA per channel which would be fine,
2015-11-05T20:17:51 < artag> But the non-addressable strip is typically many led+resistors pairs in parallel across the supply pins. It wants 5 or 12V, doesn't need current limiting, and all the led currents are added together, so it will take (20mA x number of leds) per strip
2015-11-05T20:18:40 < artag> so you could split up the led strip, or you could use mosfets on the low-current outputs to drive long strings of parallel leds
2015-11-05T20:18:52 < artag> neither seems to me to make the best of the parts
2015-11-05T20:19:18 < Rob235> the strip is split up into 3 leds each (in series)
2015-11-05T20:19:43 < Rob235> so every 3 channels (R, G, B) drive a strip of 3 leds
2015-11-05T20:19:58 < artag> ok yes, if you cut them at the 3-led point and remove the series resistor, you could attach that short chain to one of the 24 outputs
2015-11-05T20:20:26 < artag> it's a bit fiddly but it's not useless
2015-11-05T20:20:30 < Rob235> so I don't need to worry about mosfets or anything? that board accomplishes everything for me?
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2015-11-05T20:21:27 < artag> yes, if you avoid using more than one series strip (or moer strips but also in series) per output
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2015-11-05T20:22:00 < Rob235> ok good thanks, it will just be the one strip per channel
2015-11-05T20:22:36 < Rob235> what about the ws2812b addressable leds, I think it needs a 5v signal which the stm32 doesn't do right? how do 5v tolerant pins work, is it just for input?
2015-11-05T20:23:30 < zyp> it runs just fine with a 3.3V control signal
2015-11-05T20:23:49 < Rob235> oh great, thanks, my job is looking a lot easier now
2015-11-05T20:23:52 < zyp> and the first led will repeat the signal anyway, so it'll be 5V after the first led
2015-11-05T20:29:48 < Rob235> and do the capacitors on the led strips avoid the need for a large capacitor connected to the beginning to avoid a current/voltage spike or is it still a good idea to use one
2015-11-05T20:30:51 < artag> just be careful that the 5v supply to the ws2812 string is adequate, the current can soon add up. And there are all sorts of things to consider if the wire to the start of the strip is long
2015-11-05T20:31:24 < zyp> if you have a long strip, just add multiple feeds throughout
2015-11-05T20:31:33 < zyp> no point in feeding it all from one end
2015-11-05T20:31:41 < artag> capacitors on the 2812 strips ? Yes, you don't usually need a lot of bulk capacitance on the strip
2015-11-05T20:32:40 < artag> zyp: absolutely, but you still have to be careful about voltage drop on the ground lead
2015-11-05T20:33:15 < Rob235> wire to start is about 6" and the strip is a little over 1 meter long (72 leds) which I'm going to try and multiplex to save battery.  I don't think 1 meter needs more than one power feed
2015-11-05T20:33:19 < artag> I'm using rs485 drivers and dc-dc converters at the start of the strips and it works very well even with long cables
2015-11-05T20:33:33 < artag> 6" is fine
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2015-11-05T20:36:01 < artag> But you won't run 72 lamps off a low current supply like USB or the little regulator typically on a dev board unless you light it minimally. Peak white (all RGB on max) will take over 4A
2015-11-05T20:37:14 < Rob235> yea I know, I'm using lipo batteries, its for a hexacopter.  I know all these leds aren't great for battery life, but with multiplexing I'm hoping it doesn't affect it that much.
2015-11-05T20:38:21 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/tiVmU   cant really see the non addressable leds on the end of the arms but they are there (tinted with glass paint) and the addressable are under the arms
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2015-11-05T20:41:40 < zyp> Rob235, what do you mean by multiplexing?
2015-11-05T20:42:34 < Rob235> I hope I'm understanding it correctly.  Only have one (or maybe a couple) leds on at a time and flash them fast enough to appear constantly on (about 60hz?)
2015-11-05T20:42:52 < zyp> that sounds very pointless
2015-11-05T20:43:03 < zyp> considering the leds already do pwm on their own
2015-11-05T20:43:03 < Rob235> why, doesn't it save a lot of power?
2015-11-05T20:44:20 < zyp> think about this
2015-11-05T20:44:49 < zyp> say you have 20 leds, you cycle through them so that exactly one is on at any time
2015-11-05T20:45:15 < zyp> that means 5% duty for each
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2015-11-05T20:46:09 < zyp> so you're drawing 5% of what you would if all were full on
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2015-11-05T20:46:40 < zyp> then consider what happens if you just set all leds to 5% through the internal pwm controller
2015-11-05T20:47:21 < zyp> they will run at 5% duty, and with the caps smoothing out the power supply, they'll average 5% of the current as well
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2015-11-05T20:47:30 < zyp> so you end up with the same result
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2015-11-05T20:47:37 < zyp> without doing a lot of extra work
2015-11-05T20:48:30 < zyp> also, keep in mind that while 5% duty means 5% current, it also means only 5% of max brightness
2015-11-05T20:49:32 < Rob235> can current spike higher with just using pwm or is it both the same result at any given point in time
2015-11-05T20:50:01 < zyp> assuming the caps are large enough to smooth the spikes, the result should be the same
2015-11-05T20:51:32 < zyp> and since the pwm controllers aren't synced in any way, I bet each led will be a little bit out of phase, so they don't draw current all at the same time
2015-11-05T20:51:46 < zyp> I mean, AFAIK they aren't synced
2015-11-05T20:53:05 < Rob235> interesting, thanks for the info, I don't fully understand so I'll have to read up more on PWM but are you saying if an LED at full power is 255 then just set it to 5% of that, 12) and it will be the same brightness as having 1 of 20 leds on at a time
2015-11-05T20:54:55 < zyp> yes
2015-11-05T20:55:10 < zyp> PWM is pulse width modulation
2015-11-05T20:55:24 < zyp> you're switching something on and off constantly, i.e. pulsing it
2015-11-05T20:55:42 < zyp> so you vary the width of that pulse
2015-11-05T20:55:56 < zyp> the duty cycle of a pulse is the width of a pulse compared to the period
2015-11-05T20:56:14 < zyp> 100% duty is always on, 0% is always off, 25% duty is on for a fourth of the time
2015-11-05T20:56:26 < Rob235> ok thanks
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2015-11-05T20:56:48 < zyp> when you send the value 12 to a color in the led driver, you're telling it that that color should be on for 12/255 of the time
2015-11-05T20:58:16 < Rob235> oh thats right, theres another thing though
2015-11-05T20:58:30 < Rob235> what about persistence of vision?
2015-11-05T20:58:56 < Rob235> wouldn't having the led on full brightness and flickering look brighter than having it at low brightness all the time because of it
2015-11-05T20:59:25 < zyp> uh
2015-11-05T20:59:35 < Rob235> oh wait
2015-11-05T20:59:37 < Rob235> nvm
2015-11-05T20:59:39 < Rob235> didn't think that through
2015-11-05T20:59:40 < zyp> didn't I just tell you that low brightness is full brightness and flickering? :p
2015-11-05T20:59:44 < Rob235> hah yea sorry
2015-11-05T20:59:45 < Rob235> :)
2015-11-05T21:00:45 < zyp> persistence of vision smooths out the gaps between the flickers, but it still looks less bright since the total power emitted (and consequently absorbed by the eyes) is lower
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2015-11-05T21:01:15 < Rob235> got it
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2015-11-05T21:02:47 < Rob235> would that change with an analog signal?
2015-11-05T21:09:51 < Rob235> i guess the light output would be the same result
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2015-11-05T23:00:32 < kakimir> can you recommend any bluetooth audio development boards?
2015-11-05T23:00:53 < kakimir> should fit inside big headphones
2015-11-05T23:01:16 < kakimir> planning to get rid of cables
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2015-11-05T23:04:36 < kakimir> some bluegiga module maybe
2015-11-05T23:05:01 < kakimir> has battery charger included
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2015-11-05T23:06:29 < kakimir> development kit looks like there is apart from module itself just passives and amplifier
2015-11-05T23:06:39 < kakimir> and lots of connectors
2015-11-05T23:09:01 < kakimir> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/BlueGiga%20Technologies%20Inc/DKWT32I-A.jpg 188usd kit
2015-11-05T23:09:43 < kakimir> not too bad price for using directly for some bluetooth audio applications
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2015-11-05T23:15:38 < qyx> http://imgur.com/a/ARyf1
2015-11-05T23:15:50 < qyx> jar led lamp, the actual jar is missing
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2015-11-05T23:16:01 < qyx> no stm32 here though
2015-11-05T23:16:05 < kakimir> your idea?
2015-11-05T23:16:16 < kakimir> it's genious
2015-11-05T23:16:57 < kakimir> oh crap that heat sink
2015-11-05T23:17:02 < kakimir> ruined
2015-11-05T23:17:10 < qyx> mhm, i though so until i found it on the net
2015-11-05T23:17:44 < qyx> yes, still too warm
2015-11-05T23:18:03 < kakimir> it should be cabled so that cable comes to center above jar
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2015-11-05T23:18:34 < kakimir> so it levels it straight
2015-11-05T23:19:02 < qyx> you must choose, either the cable or the led
2015-11-05T23:19:08 < kakimir> nope
2015-11-05T23:19:24 < kakimir> you can add some strut above heatsink
2015-11-05T23:19:37 < kakimir> hook kind of thing
2015-11-05T23:19:57 < qyx> i designed it that way so i am able to mount it on the wall using an L-shaped mounting
2015-11-05T23:20:15 < qyx> mounted under the heatsink
2015-11-05T23:20:19 < qyx> (missing too)
2015-11-05T23:20:29 < kakimir> oh
2015-11-05T23:21:35 < kakimir> cable wire colors are disturbing
2015-11-05T23:22:50 < karlp> qyx: nice mains crimp connector, what are those?
2015-11-05T23:22:50 < kakimir> make the mount so big you dont need heatsink
2015-11-05T23:23:08 < kakimir> true thing. nice connectors
2015-11-05T23:23:14 < qyx> karlp: some AVX eod-of-line connectors
2015-11-05T23:23:16 < kakimir> *-s
2015-11-05T23:23:22 < qyx> 0.5mm^2 IDC
2015-11-05T23:23:46 < qyx> not available anymore, i have some remaining
2015-11-05T23:23:56 < qyx> but the footprint is made for a different kind of conenctors
2015-11-05T23:25:03 < qyx> http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HT1Srv1FUVbXXagOFbXS/201817653/HT1Srv1FUVbXXagOFbXS.jpg
2015-11-05T23:25:46 < qyx> and meh, i used a screwdriver to crimp them
2015-11-05T23:26:35 < qyx> karlp: http://www.prlog.org/11495600-avx-expands-wire-to-board-idc-connector-series-for-harsh-environment-applications.html
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2015-11-05T23:27:18 < karlp> looks really nice and compact.
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2015-11-05T23:54:48 < kakimir> qyx: how many hours of drawing?
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2015-11-05T23:58:41 < kakimir> why is _ used instead of - in filenames generally?
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2015-11-06T00:00:43 < Sync> probably because c does not allow - in variables
2015-11-06T00:02:50 < kakimir> variables?
2015-11-06T00:02:54 < kakimir> strings?
2015-11-06T00:03:10 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluegiga-WT32-Breakout-Board-by-EWS-/250855381118 found my audio
2015-11-06T00:03:16 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/QIVShG1.jpg
2015-11-06T00:03:18 < englishman> hrmnrmrmrmrm
2015-11-06T00:03:20 < englishman> interesting
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2015-11-06T00:05:53 < kakimir> would solder off that module
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2015-11-06T00:11:26 < kakimir> http://fi.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=bzgYiMiT8X1IT5h3vNTDSw%3d%3d reasonable
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2015-11-06T00:50:43 < mitrax> gah, i'm trying to disable / deinit sdram and revert to the pre-sdram initialization state but i'm experiencing random crashes in the process... first i send the sdram a powerdown command, then i reset the FMC / SDCR / SDTR registers to the proper values, then I disable the FMC clock, and only then physically power down the chip
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2015-11-06T00:51:15 < mitrax> any idea what i could be missing?
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2015-11-06T01:05:57 < mitrax> oh great
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2015-11-06T01:08:04 < mitrax> dongs: you're going to like this
2015-11-06T01:08:56 < mitrax> STM32CUBE's fault
2015-11-06T01:08:57 < mitrax> AGAIN
2015-11-06T01:09:50 < mitrax> Device->SDCR[Bank] = 0x000002D0;
2015-11-06T01:09:50 < mitrax> Device->SDTR[Bank] = 0x0FFFFFFF;
2015-11-06T01:18:47 < mitrax> hrm wait... those are supposed to be the reset values according to the datasheet
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2015-11-06T01:27:18 < mitrax> well that's definitely the culprit though ... setting those to 0 instead fixes it
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2015-11-06T01:34:03 < mitrax> weird
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2015-11-06T02:00:45 < mitrax> i guess i'm missing a step... oh well, bed time... (sorry for the rant)
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2015-11-06T02:26:39 < dongs> dongs
2015-11-06T02:26:42 < dongs> also lol @cube
2015-11-06T02:27:38 < kakimir> hello dongs
2015-11-06T02:27:45 < Laurenceb_> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/06A8/production/_86540710_86531717.jpg
2015-11-06T02:27:49 < dongs> just woke up and already stoned
2015-11-06T02:27:53 < Laurenceb_> typical british activities
2015-11-06T02:28:06 < dongs> Laurenceb_: is that jadew
2015-11-06T02:28:25 < Laurenceb_> probably
2015-11-06T02:28:32 < jadew> that's not romania
2015-11-06T02:28:55 < jadew> we don't have people that would do that
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2015-11-06T02:29:00 < Laurenceb_> socialist worker more like upper class loser
2015-11-06T02:30:35 < kakimir> there was huge fireworks for just for one distant holiday cottage close by
2015-11-06T02:30:51 < kakimir> I wondered it's weird time for russians to order fireworks
2015-11-06T02:31:26 < kakimir> one van with trailer full of pyro
2015-11-06T02:32:59 < kakimir> now it's even more weird because basically Guy Fawkes Night is almost unknown here
2015-11-06T02:36:32 < upgrdman_> more like Gay Fucks Night
2015-11-06T02:37:41 < kakimir> you know better
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2015-11-06T02:49:10 < kakimir> anyone find hi-quality bluetooth sound clip-on device for headphones tempting?
2015-11-06T02:50:27 < kakimir> with dual microphone connection
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2015-11-06T03:02:31 < KreAture> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4808142588.png
2015-11-06T03:02:32 < KreAture> :)
2015-11-06T03:02:39 < KreAture> Just tested my upgraded internet connection
2015-11-06T03:02:47 < KreAture> I think I can say I'm happy with this
2015-11-06T03:03:17 < kakimir> right
2015-11-06T03:03:34 < KreAture> :)
2015-11-06T03:03:41 < kakimir> you say that is your personal connection?
2015-11-06T03:03:45 < KreAture> yup
2015-11-06T03:03:51 < kakimir> and you pay for it?
2015-11-06T03:03:55 < KreAture> yup
2015-11-06T03:04:01 < kakimir> fibre
2015-11-06T03:04:03 < kakimir> ?
2015-11-06T03:04:10 < kakimir> fiber
2015-11-06T03:04:12 < KreAture> $35/month
2015-11-06T03:04:45 < KreAture> It's part of a fibrenet yes, but they use normal cat6e throughout the entire housing community here up from basemet where switches sit on the fiber
2015-11-06T03:04:59 < KreAture> That way the cost is very low, and they don't even own the cat6
2015-11-06T03:05:10 < KreAture> each flat has a cat6 up from basement
2015-11-06T03:05:20 < KreAture> any new subscriber is simply activated
2015-11-06T03:05:23 < kakimir> what state?
2015-11-06T03:05:38 < KreAture> you can move in, connect your pc and get a screen asking for personal details to register and become a subscriber
2015-11-06T03:05:46 < KreAture> Then you are set
2015-11-06T03:05:51 < KreAture> it's in Norway
2015-11-06T03:06:21 < kakimir> it's sounds more like it
2015-11-06T03:06:24 < KreAture> In my community there's 320 flats and almost all subscribe so they get good coverage
2015-11-06T03:06:41 < kakimir> how much is your rent?
2015-11-06T03:06:47 < KreAture> as in, most with access want it
2015-11-06T03:06:53 < KreAture> rent?
2015-11-06T03:06:58 < KreAture> oh you mean communal costs ?
2015-11-06T03:07:07 < KreAture> I don't pay rent as I own the flat
2015-11-06T03:07:30 < KreAture> I think the communal costs are around $450 now
2015-11-06T03:07:35 < kakimir> ok
2015-11-06T03:07:44 < KreAture> it covers hot water as well as security, garbage etc
2015-11-06T03:07:57 < KreAture> and maintenance in the community
2015-11-06T03:08:14 < kakimir> I'm planning to get a room that has rent $500
2015-11-06T03:08:26 < kakimir> or some old grandmas cabin middle of nothing
2015-11-06T03:08:29 < KreAture> It's high right now as we are replacing all fasade on all buildings as well as putting down a completely new park in our lot
2015-11-06T03:09:08 < KreAture> In addition to the communal costs I am paying my morgage though, for the flat which is around 1100 usd
2015-11-06T03:09:13 < KreAture> so it is money...
2015-11-06T03:09:14 < KreAture> hehe
2015-11-06T03:09:20 < dongs> er
2015-11-06T03:09:21 < KreAture> easy come, easy go
2015-11-06T03:09:26 < KreAture> hoy dongs !
2015-11-06T03:09:29 < KreAture> what's happening!
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2015-11-06T03:09:38 < dongs> thats megabits right? cuz thats > gige if thats megabyutes
2015-11-06T03:09:52 < KreAture> dongs oh and I love the thermocouple amps :)  PPL at the makerspace are loving em too
2015-11-06T03:09:57 < dongs> KreAture: cool
2015-11-06T03:10:02 < dongs> glad 2 be of service
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2015-11-06T03:10:05 < KreAture> :)
2015-11-06T03:10:30 < KreAture> I may find another chip soon I need, a galvanic isolator with analog passthrough to make a galvanically isolated version of the thermocouple board
2015-11-06T03:10:41 < KreAture> For those that keep shorting 12v to their hotends
2015-11-06T03:10:44 < KreAture> hehe
2015-11-06T03:11:49 < KreAture> dongs the line I am paying for is 200 mbit both ways, but there is a timing allowance making it 200-250 depending on the load
2015-11-06T03:12:00 < KreAture> atleast that is what the tech said when I asked
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2015-11-06T03:14:57 < dongs> ah. oh well
2015-11-06T03:16:04 < KreAture> so, anything new?
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2015-11-06T03:16:20 < KreAture> Getting some relaxation in with HK selling boards etc?
2015-11-06T03:16:26 < KreAture> or still stressed out?
2015-11-06T03:17:01 < dongs> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4808170262.png
2015-11-06T03:17:03 < dongs> naw
2015-11-06T03:17:16 < KreAture> hehe I win on ping
2015-11-06T03:17:18 < KreAture> :p
2015-11-06T03:17:28 < dongs> for some reason shit is selling way more than i expected
2015-11-06T03:17:33 < dongs> so its keeping me busy too much
2015-11-06T03:17:37 < KreAture> yp I know
2015-11-06T03:17:47 < Roklobsta> haha i get 13/1 not almost 500/500.  arse.
2015-11-06T03:17:55 < KreAture> Guys at work is responsible for atleast 15 boards alone after I gave em the link
2015-11-06T03:17:58 < KreAture> lol
2015-11-06T03:18:01 < KreAture> They keep crashing
2015-11-06T03:18:13 < kakimir> mine is atm. 7/5 @ 35ms
2015-11-06T03:18:17 < kakimir> 3g unlimited
2015-11-06T03:18:35 < KreAture> Mine isn't wireless, well my router makes it that but not all over town hehe
2015-11-06T03:18:43 < kakimir> 20eur month including all calls and txt
2015-11-06T03:18:46 < KreAture> I don't use much data on phone anyways
2015-11-06T03:19:02 < kakimir> I use all my data via phone because ultimate poor
2015-11-06T03:19:32 < dongs> kakimir: how unlimited
2015-11-06T03:19:45 < dongs> here even :"unlimited" 3g/lte shit is throttled to 200kbit after like 1gig/day
2015-11-06T03:19:55 < kakimir> totally unlimited
2015-11-06T03:19:55 < dongs> fucking scam
2015-11-06T03:20:06 < kakimir> like it should be
2015-11-06T03:20:30 < Roklobsta> all plans in .au are capped.
2015-11-06T03:20:46 < dongs> crapped
2015-11-06T03:20:47 < dongs> FTFY
2015-11-06T03:21:01 < kakimir> one operator "sonera" is selling "unlimited" that turns throttling on after few gigs
2015-11-06T03:21:06 < Roklobsta> and still get congestion in the cities
2015-11-06T03:21:13 < kakimir> I don't know how it can be sold as unlimited
2015-11-06T03:21:45 < Roklobsta> regulator here banned companies from selling "unlimited" if they weren't actually doing that.
2015-11-06T03:22:14 < kakimir> maybe it's because you can have multiple interpretions of word unlimited
2015-11-06T03:22:43 < Roklobsta> well maybe for marketing types but not for normal english speakers.
2015-11-06T03:23:25 < kakimir> it says I use 3GB per day
2015-11-06T03:23:28 < kakimir> my phone
2015-11-06T03:23:45 < kakimir> when I don't download torrents
2015-11-06T03:23:55 < jadew> you download torrents on your phone?
2015-11-06T03:24:03 < kakimir> sometimes
2015-11-06T03:24:09 < jadew> with what?
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2015-11-06T03:24:18 < jadew> I mean what torrents
2015-11-06T03:24:21 < dongs> pretty sure he's just  tethering it?
2015-11-06T03:24:24 < kakimir> computer
2015-11-06T03:24:30 < dongs> or wifi hotspot orw haetver
2015-11-06T03:24:46 < kakimir> that thing because usb fucks all the time
2015-11-06T03:25:37 < kakimir> so averaging 100GB/month
2015-11-06T03:25:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evolvedcharger/usbidi-the-worlds-most-intelligent-charger-ever
2015-11-06T03:26:01 < dongs> lol
2015-11-06T03:26:15 < Roklobsta> that's mental.  you don't use 100GB of data on IRC.  How many channels are you on?
2015-11-06T03:26:17 < dongs> When you finish syncing, simply press the button to switch into Smart & Fast mode. UsBidi will double the charging speed and cut your charging time in half.
2015-11-06T03:26:38 < dongs> i recently had to upgrade to 3gb/month plan on my phone
2015-11-06T03:26:46 < dongs> sometimes I blog too much and it went over 1gb/month
2015-11-06T03:26:56 < dongs> and it gets fucking slow as shit after 1gb
2015-11-06T03:27:02 < dongs> so now I have to pay like $19/month :(
2015-11-06T03:27:17 < Roklobsta> there's another misappropriation - "intelligent" meaning the least stupid algorithms the developer could come up with.
2015-11-06T03:28:00 < Roklobsta> well. for $30/mo i Get 1.5GB data, and sort of unlimited calls.
2015-11-06T03:28:06 < kakimir> Roklobsta: 100GB as video not so much
2015-11-06T03:28:37 < dongs> japs dont have any unlimited calls
2015-11-06T03:28:39 < dongs> its expensive too
2015-11-06T03:28:42 < dongs> like 20c/30seconds or someshit
2015-11-06T03:28:51 < dongs> at least incoming is free
2015-11-06T03:29:03 < dongs> so I can let other niggers waste their coins if they call me
2015-11-06T03:29:16 < Sync> wat
2015-11-06T03:29:41 < Sync> how come they have fiber to the wall and not have free innerwebs on the phones?
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2015-11-06T03:31:57 < upgrdman_> fucking NXP. "lets name a bit enable" ... "1 = disable, 0 = enable"
2015-11-06T03:32:14 < upgrdman_> and it not like the bit is foo_n or something that would indicate active low
2015-11-06T03:32:17 < kakimir> it's brutal amount of data but as country has low population density what would operators care if I don't let local tower to just idle
2015-11-06T03:33:00 < kakimir> another thing is if you need to constantly build capacity more and more
2015-11-06T03:33:04 < kakimir> because of data amount
2015-11-06T03:33:05 < Roklobsta> carriers here have put in 700MHz LTE for long gange and wider bandwidth.  They'd be loathe to let them sit idle.
2015-11-06T03:33:11 < Roklobsta> range
2015-11-06T03:33:21 < KreAture> haha dongs, you are in wrong market, the right market is usb charger cables
2015-11-06T03:33:21 < KreAture> lol
2015-11-06T03:33:42 < kakimir> what kind of cunts are buying all the hoax cables?
2015-11-06T03:33:43 < upgrdman_> for those with >100Mbps connections: do you still get decent speed to international servers? i mean fast is nice and all, but if it's only fast when the server is near by...
2015-11-06T03:33:59 < Roklobsta> voice mode on LTE is VoIP anyway, not SS7/ISDN like 2G/3G.
2015-11-06T03:34:06 < KreAture> upgrdman_ it's probably not as good over seas
2015-11-06T03:34:13 < KreAture> transatlantic from norway is never great
2015-11-06T03:34:19 < kakimir> Roklobsta: is it so?
2015-11-06T03:34:21 < upgrdman_> ahh. bummer.
2015-11-06T03:34:51 < KreAture> upgrdman_ I'll find a us server to test with
2015-11-06T03:34:57 < upgrdman_> k
2015-11-06T03:35:11 < Roklobsta> the idea of 3G was you could use all your existing ISDN based 2G backbones etc and just replace the radios.
2015-11-06T03:35:35 < kakimir> kinda gay
2015-11-06T03:35:46 < Roklobsta> 4G is all packet/data based now.
2015-11-06T03:36:04 < KreAture> found one in washington
2015-11-06T03:36:10 < Roklobsta> i don't think there is special provision for voice channels and priority over data.
2015-11-06T03:36:17 < kakimir> ipv6?
2015-11-06T03:36:30 < KreAture> upgrdman_ ping 95
2015-11-06T03:36:46 < kakimir> does calls go thru ip protocol?
2015-11-06T03:36:47 < upgrdman_> sure the ping will suck, but bandwidth?
2015-11-06T03:36:55 < KreAture> upgrdman_ http://www.speedtest.net/result/4808202715.png
2015-11-06T03:36:56 < kakimir> from phone
2015-11-06T03:36:57 < KreAture> there test done
2015-11-06T03:37:06 < KreAture> That is to a server in washington
2015-11-06T03:37:10 < upgrdman_> pretty good
2015-11-06T03:37:12 < KreAture> I just selected one at random
2015-11-06T03:37:15 < kakimir> suckky ping
2015-11-06T03:37:24 < upgrdman_> i pay $60/month for 60down/4up
2015-11-06T03:37:31 < upgrdman_> my biggest grip is the 4up
2015-11-06T03:37:35 < Sync> Roklobsta: some cunt providers here do not have voice on their 3G shit here
2015-11-06T03:37:35 < upgrdman_> gripe even
2015-11-06T03:38:02 < Sync> which is super annoying
2015-11-06T03:38:10 < KreAture> kakimir I think I get good ping to german servers which is usuallywho I play against in BF4 anyways
2015-11-06T03:38:11 < KreAture> hehe
2015-11-06T03:39:14 < KreAture> yup, .de is good
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2015-11-06T03:39:41 < Roklobsta> you don't need voice when you have to maximise bandwidth for knickerbocker porn.
2015-11-06T03:39:51 < KreAture> 16ms 242/240Mbit
2015-11-06T03:40:04 < KreAture> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4808207583.png
2015-11-06T03:40:06 < KreAture> to .de server
2015-11-06T03:40:13 < kakimir> I had once 0ms
2015-11-06T03:40:17 < KreAture> all in all, it's ok and definately playable
2015-11-06T03:40:29 < Roklobsta> goddamnit.  you and your 100+megabit data.
2015-11-06T03:40:46 < Sync> ^
2015-11-06T03:41:02 < kakimir> maybe.. had.. at least ping to google was tenths of millisecond
2015-11-06T03:43:33 < jadew> R2COM, my UPS shows 0 Watts when the PC is in stand by
2015-11-06T03:43:43 < kakimir> two or three levels up from the biggest main backbone
2015-11-06T03:43:45 < jadew> assume it's more, but I doubt it's a lot
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2015-11-06T03:44:41 < dongs> who standbys their PC
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2015-11-06T03:44:48 < kakimir> I do
2015-11-06T03:44:51 < dongs> why
2015-11-06T03:44:59 < kakimir> fan noise
2015-11-06T03:45:40 < kakimir> can't sleep
2015-11-06T03:46:46 < kakimir> fans in personal computers are a relic
2015-11-06T03:47:08 < kakimir> or will become soon
2015-11-06T03:47:20 < dongs> heh
2015-11-06T03:47:34 < dongs> well, i guess not sleeping in computer room works
2015-11-06T03:47:55 < Sync> wat kakimir
2015-11-06T03:48:07 < kakimir> how about sleeping middle of computers?
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2015-11-06T03:50:01 < kakimir> average computer user doesn't need that much power anymore that fans would be needed in future
2015-11-06T03:50:32 < kakimir> idlestates of cpus are ridiculously low power
2015-11-06T03:50:49 < kakimir> also fans are annoying
2015-11-06T03:51:08 < Sync> they still use enough power at full load so that you need fans
2015-11-06T03:51:54 < kakimir> atm. with basic heatsink yes
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2015-11-06T03:53:48 < kakimir> but maybe some time soon sligthly upgraded cooling solution meets with even lower powers than now and customers and industry reacts to it
2015-11-06T03:54:56 < kakimir> nowdays it's not uncommon anymore to have a laptop without fan etc.
2015-11-06T03:56:51 < Sync> yeah, but they don't have a lot of processing power
2015-11-06T03:57:34 < kakimir> but enough for most use
2015-11-06T03:57:58 < kakimir> when talking of 2015 tech
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2015-11-06T04:14:59 < kakimir> about that>
2015-11-06T04:15:49 < dongs> should I install win10
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2015-11-06T04:23:42 < englishman> art exhibit 4 dongs http://i.imgur.com/yDVJfp0.jpg
2015-11-06T04:24:04 < upgrdman> that's some good aim for the corner tile
2015-11-06T04:30:35 < Rob235> anyone know a good place to read up on pwm over dma?
2015-11-06T04:30:45 < dongs> what is there to read up?
2015-11-06T04:30:53 < dongs> you make a buffer which containcs CCR values
2015-11-06T04:30:59 < dongs> and dma that
2015-11-06T04:31:06 < upgrdman> flyback, why dont you like GS?
2015-11-06T04:31:12 < dongs> it will go out at timer 'tick' speed, and update duty on each tick
2015-11-06T04:33:57 < englishman> is pei really canada
2015-11-06T04:33:59 < englishman> really
2015-11-06T04:34:07 < englishman> its like guam and usa
2015-11-06T04:34:13 < dongs> whats pei
2015-11-06T04:34:22 < englishman> where GargantuaSauce be
2015-11-06T04:34:37 < dongs> oh some island
2015-11-06T04:34:55 < englishman> you gotta pay $20 and drive on a bridge for 30 mins just to get there
2015-11-06T04:35:14 < dongs> thats a long bridge
2015-11-06T04:35:23 < dongs> there's as treetview of it
2015-11-06T04:35:31 < dongs> its only 1 lane??
2015-11-06T04:35:46 < GargantuaSauce> longest bridge over ice-covered waters or something
2015-11-06T04:35:58 < dongs> how do ships go around it nad shit
2015-11-06T04:36:02 < dongs> is it tall?
2015-11-06T04:36:06 < englishman> its not like theres a whole lot of traffic for $20
2015-11-06T04:36:12 < GargantuaSauce> it's pretty tall, there's a place to go under in the middle
2015-11-06T04:36:25 < GargantuaSauce> and its not exactly far to go all the way around if you're too big
2015-11-06T04:41:43 < englishman> with a BOATCAR
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2015-11-06T04:48:07 < Getty> LOL DHL prewarns me "package arrives today!" which it didnt.... and now at 4am in the night on the next day "hey, update on your delivery, it will now arrive on: today!"
2015-11-06T04:48:29 < Getty> no shit ;) you didnt invented time travel, i thought so ;)
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2015-11-06T04:51:42 < ReadError> know what UPS does that pisses me off
2015-11-06T04:51:55 < ReadError> they send emails at 12:03AM saying "Your package will be delivered tomorrow!"
2015-11-06T04:54:17 < Getty> R2COM: ausREICHend.... <rimshot>
2015-11-06T04:56:27 < dongs> mmh
2015-11-06T04:56:35 < dongs> reboot after 46 days fixed the fucking logitech buttons remapping
2015-11-06T04:57:35 < Roklobsta> R2COM: like the trains ran on time under Mussolini?
2015-11-06T04:58:58 < Roklobsta> The alternative was gulag or death for the managers.  some incentive.  or it's just bullshit.
2015-11-06T05:05:04 < dongs> < technomancy> I've had good luck with seeed
2015-11-06T05:05:09 < dongs> < technomancy> they were able to use my drill info dumped straight from kicad when I tried it
2015-11-06T05:05:19 < ReadError> Statistics since 7/23/2015 8:44:43 AM
2015-11-06T05:05:23 < dongs> plz advise next step
2015-11-06T05:16:51 < jadew> microsoft locked my outlook account after 1 failed login attempt, but it will unlock if I "verify" my phone number
2015-11-06T05:17:17 < ReadError> jadew or wait 5 mins
2015-11-06T05:17:23 < ReadError> and the lock should clear
2015-11-06T05:17:30 < jadew> ReadError, only 5 minutes?
2015-11-06T05:17:33 < ReadError> sometimes longer, 30min
2015-11-06T05:17:38 < ReadError> depends what its set to on the server side
2015-11-06T05:17:39 < jadew> good to know, thanks
2015-11-06T05:19:21 < upgrdman> lock after one fail? gay
2015-11-06T05:19:35 < ReadError> it should be more than 1..
2015-11-06T05:19:44 < upgrdman> like 5
2015-11-06T05:19:44 < ReadError> i think default is like 3-5
2015-11-06T05:20:52 < jadew> well, one is all it took
2015-11-06T05:21:15 < jadew> luckly it's a throw away e-mail
2015-11-06T05:24:12 < upgrdman> yes
2015-11-06T05:24:39 < upgrdman> found out my tv draws like 35W when in "picture off" mode
2015-11-06T05:25:03 < upgrdman> and more surprisingly, my 2.1 speakers draw 11W at idle
2015-11-06T05:25:08 < englishman> 3-5 from usa or 1 from romania
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2015-11-06T05:36:51 < jadew> I think it might have to do with how I used that account
2015-11-06T05:37:08 < jadew> I used it to talk to random people from around the world over skype
2015-11-06T05:37:18 < jadew> to do that I listed it on a website
2015-11-06T05:37:30 < jadew> I guess someone figured they should try to break in
2015-11-06T05:37:34 < jadew> steal my contacts
2015-11-06T05:40:53 < jadew> for the record, not very good contacts
2015-11-06T05:41:10 < jadew> indians that were speaking like they had a script
2015-11-06T05:41:16 < jadew> indians I couldn't understand
2015-11-06T05:41:54 < jadew> some middle east guys
2015-11-06T05:42:35 < jadew> I don't think anyone was from syria
2015-11-06T05:42:46 < jadew> wifi is down
2015-11-06T05:44:16 < jadew> I don't think anyone wants to be there right now
2015-11-06T05:45:18 < jadew> to do what?
2015-11-06T05:45:42 < jadew> ah
2015-11-06T05:46:10 < jadew> you mean the "moderate rebels"
2015-11-06T05:48:01 < jadew> the reality is that we can't know for sure what actually happened there, big governments have great marketing people behind
2015-11-06T05:48:20 < jadew> you just can't trus what any of them is saying
2015-11-06T05:48:48 < jadew> yeah, but you can't be 100% sure that that's the truth
2015-11-06T05:50:41 < bloated> someone should ask obama wtf is his expected endgame in Syria
2015-11-06T05:50:57 < Roklobsta> For it to keep going until he leaves office.
2015-11-06T05:51:03 < bloated> anybody who replaces Assad will be more brutal and more likely to support terrorism than Assad
2015-11-06T05:51:04 < Roklobsta> then it's SEP.
2015-11-06T05:52:24 < bloated> he's no saint
2015-11-06T05:52:36 < bloated> but compared to the rest of that bunch he's Jesus Christ.
2015-11-06T05:53:15 < Roklobsta> i say go find a job in the Industrial Military complex.  Job for life.
2015-11-06T05:54:18 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-06T05:54:29 < jadew> I guess they're pretty much done anyway
2015-11-06T05:55:00 < Roklobsta> What's Not Putin.  Oh, rebels.  OK/
2015-11-06T05:55:23 < Roklobsta> Iran is playing the long game.
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2015-11-06T05:56:36 < Roklobsta> Canadians are barbarians but your assertion is a strech.
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2015-11-06T06:09:51 < Roklobsta> That's not very Patriotic of you.
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2015-11-06T09:57:34 < dongs> I have received my Zano about 3 weeks ago. It took 2 weeks for Ivan to get the app ready and another 1 week to fix the crash issue.
2015-11-06T09:57:37 < dongs> Tried to fly the Zano today, it crashes into everything, there is no way to calibrate it, and no way to control it. My kid's helicopter that I have bought for 20 pounds flies better. Zano does not detect objects, just crashes and all propellers fly off.
2015-11-06T09:57:42 < dongs> Throughout the flight it provides an array of error messages from "vibration" to "ground proximity", etc. Overall, the product is not ready for mass production. If there is anything that any of the geniuses who developed it would like to say in their defense, now is the chance. Since I believe that there has been a misappropriation of raised funds, I will be taking this up with Kickstarter.
2015-11-06T09:58:57 < dongs> make sure to link it in here
2015-11-06T09:58:58 < jpa-> luls, fools think they can get something back :)
2015-11-06T09:59:29 < dongs> it needs to have a catchy acronym
2015-11-06T09:59:32 < dongs> like AIDS
2015-11-06T10:00:47 < akaWolf> jpa-: does KS not provide some kind of garanty?
2015-11-06T10:01:45 < dongs> nope
2015-11-06T10:02:22 < akaWolf> hm...
2015-11-06T10:02:22 < dongs> they've written legal mumbojumbo in terms of service which basically just washes their hands clean of anything once the stuff is collectd
2015-11-06T10:02:40 < akaWolf> upwork much better...
2015-11-06T10:06:40 < jpa-> kickstarter is less risky for the starter, though
2015-11-06T10:07:19 < jpa-> problem is that backers do not understand who carries the risk
2015-11-06T10:10:29 < PaulFertser> But can Ivan and Reece go to jail for fraud?
2015-11-06T10:11:02 < jpa-> how have they frauded?
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2015-11-06T10:11:33 < jpa-> all the public info on zano makes it look like a honest mistake, i.e. "we tried to do something new but failed"
2015-11-06T10:16:48 < ReadError> jpa- well the fact that people questioned how they would accomplish some of the goals before the KS finished seems suspect
2015-11-06T10:17:07 < ReadError> pretty sure dongs and others said they couldnt pull certain things off
2015-11-06T10:17:34 < jpa-> sure, but on the other hand there is always some people who say that
2015-11-06T10:17:50 < jpa-> people said iphone will fail, and had really good arguments for that also
2015-11-06T10:18:24 < ReadError> well if you can provide empirical evidence something wont work and they choose to ignore, redflags
2015-11-06T10:18:34 < jpa-> sure, makes the backers all the more stupid
2015-11-06T10:37:09 < kakimir> maybe developers were in deeply ignorant state
2015-11-06T10:37:27 < kakimir> unbreakable
2015-11-06T10:38:49 < jpa-> could be, or just a well disguised scam
2015-11-06T10:38:53 < jpa-> we'll never know
2015-11-06T10:40:51 < qyx> are they going to officially admit fail?
2015-11-06T10:42:39 < jpa-> they'll use the standard phraseology: "Facing unexpected difficulties, need to reorganize, we will keep backers posted." and then never heard of again
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2015-11-06T10:58:06 < PaulFertser> jpa-: they claimed they're professionals, so that's not an honest mistake.
2015-11-06T10:58:18 < jpa-> are they not professionals?
2015-11-06T10:58:30 < jpa-> i've seen plenty of "professionals" crap up projects
2015-11-06T10:59:21 < PaulFertser> But this was sort of obvious from the start for real professionals, like dongs.
2015-11-06T10:59:56 < jpa-> so a "no real scottsman" argument
2015-11-06T11:00:00 < emeryth> dongs is beyond professional
2015-11-06T11:00:27 < jpa-> typicall "professional" just means "you get paid for it"
2015-11-06T11:01:26 < jpa-> besides, they achieved much less than what would have been possible even given their hardware choices
2015-11-06T11:02:39 < jpa-> i think the pcb rulers was the only kickstarter project of which i could say "ok, i think he can pull this off" :)
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2015-11-06T11:10:07 < zyp> bladerf guys had their shit together, mostly
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2015-11-06T11:10:22 < zyp> delivered a bit late, but eh
2015-11-06T11:10:39 < zyp> I wouldn't say they fucked up in any way
2015-11-06T11:11:38 < jpa-> many projects succeed yeah
2015-11-06T11:11:49 < jpa-> but its very rarely a sure thing
2015-11-06T11:12:20 < jpa-> it could entirely have happened that zano would have suddenly switched to some arm soc and delivered on most of their promises
2015-11-06T11:12:35 < jpa-> perhaps excluding the battery lifes
2015-11-06T11:14:26 < mervaka> it's a shame kickstarter doesn't let you interview people who want your money :D
2015-11-06T11:15:21 < emeryth> like that would help
2015-11-06T11:15:34 < emeryth> they'd just give you more bullshit
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2015-11-06T11:18:05 < jpa-> and usually the most ridiculous scams are quite obvious
2015-11-06T11:18:17 < jpa-> one i'm most suprised about is how pebble actually succeeded
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2015-11-06T11:28:03 < artag> kickstarters are done by people new to manufacturing, almost by definition. They're very likely to screw something up, even if the concept is good
2015-11-06T11:28:52 < dongs> yeah, clueless fucks
2015-11-06T11:35:32 < karlp> jpa-: I guess pebble hired the right person at the right time?
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2015-11-06T11:44:01 < emeryth> karlp: not really, the first batch was glued together, only after shipping KS pebbles they figured out they can use screws
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2015-11-06T11:46:46 < jpa-> yeah, pebble had many red flags
2015-11-06T11:46:56 < jpa-> but eventually they got their shit together
2015-11-06T11:48:41  * mitrax is back... with his sdram problem
2015-11-06T11:52:18 < mitrax> i'm experiencing weird locks up (not even hard fault, the debugger looses link) as soon as i deinit the sdram on an STM32F4 before disabling the FMC clock and powering the chip down
2015-11-06T11:53:59 < jpa-> when you step one instruction at a time, what instruction does the debugger disconnect on?
2015-11-06T11:54:16 < mitrax> stm32cube sets the FMC_SDCR / FMC_SDTR register back to their reset value and that's when the problem happen, if i set them to 0 instead the problem goes away... i guess i should figure out which bit exactly causes that
2015-11-06T11:54:35 < mitrax> jpa: well the problem is it doesn't always happen, and not on the same instruction
2015-11-06T11:54:46 < zyp> mitrax, what are you using for debugging?
2015-11-06T11:54:54 < mitrax> openocd
2015-11-06T11:55:04 < zyp> and?
2015-11-06T11:55:09 < mitrax> visual studio
2015-11-06T11:55:14 < zyp> right
2015-11-06T11:55:20 < zyp> are you watching variables?
2015-11-06T11:55:23 < mitrax> yep
2015-11-06T11:55:30 < zyp> that happen to be stored in sdram?
2015-11-06T11:55:58 < zyp> what do you think happens when the debugger tries to read a variable stored in the memory you just disabled?
2015-11-06T11:56:19 < mitrax> good point :) but no, plus the problem occurs outside of the debugger too, basically i switch on all peripherals, wait 2 sec, switch them all off, wait 2 sec, then try to turn them back on
2015-11-06T11:56:46 < zyp> so you're certain it's not a bus issue?
2015-11-06T11:57:07 < zyp> I've encountered situations where the read request goes out, but you never get a reply, so everything gets stuck
2015-11-06T11:58:04 < zyp> if the request is not rejected, you won't get a busfault, so it'll just stay waiting
2015-11-06T11:58:45 < mitrax> well at least i don't think so, cause at that point i'm not using the sdram anymore, the only thing that used it before switching the sdram off is LTDC for the LCD, i should try without turning on/off the LTDC before
2015-11-06T12:01:20 < jpa-> do you have any interrupts or dma enabled that could be doing fun stuff?
2015-11-06T12:02:52 < mitrax> no the only interrupt i have implemented atm is the systick
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2015-11-06T12:22:35 < mitrax> yeah it's definitely related to cube setting FMC_SDTR2 (timing registers) to the reset value which is 0x0FFFFFFF, after reseting FMC_SDCR2
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2015-11-06T12:23:47 < mitrax> problem is i don't know why setting FMC_SDTR2 to 0 instead fixes it :) maybe those two should be wrote to in reverse order, i.e FMC_SDTR2 first then FMC_SDCR2 to disable sdram
2015-11-06T12:23:57 < jpa-> maybe because it is reset, the write to the register hangs?
2015-11-06T12:24:13 < jpa-> can you try to read the value from the register before setting it?
2015-11-06T12:25:02 < mitrax> jpa: i can watch them from the debugger
2015-11-06T12:25:13 < mitrax> oh
2015-11-06T12:25:27 < mitrax> ok you mean read FMC_SDTR2 after i reset FMC_SDCR2, let me try
2015-11-06T12:26:42 < jpa-> yeah
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2015-11-06T12:30:33 < mitrax> yup i can read it, and well if i write 0 it doesn't hang, it seems it's only setting it to the reset value timings that makes it hang... weird weird weird
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2015-11-06T12:38:27 < karlp> huh, work internetz is slower than home internets how.  that's sucky.
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2015-11-06T12:40:12 < dongs> http://fat.gfycat.com/FatCorruptHydatidtapeworm.webm
2015-11-06T12:41:36 < mitrax> writing to FMC_SDTR2 before FMC_SDCR2 doesn't fix it... only writing 0 or leaving FMC_SDTR2 as is makes the issue go away... i hate not knowing why though :)
2015-11-06T12:53:20 < dongs> mdk517 is out
2015-11-06T12:53:23 < dongs> hopefully fixes jlink fuckups
2015-11-06T12:54:17 < dongs> Keil - ARM Compiler Extensions 1.0.0 enables I/O re-targeting via File System, UART, ITM debug channel, or user-defined functions.
2015-11-06T12:54:20 < dongs> cool
2015-11-06T12:55:17 < dongs> Updated: Segger J-Link driver for ARM devices to version 5.02f.
2015-11-06T12:55:21 < dongs> hopefully that does it.
2015-11-06T12:57:00 < dongs> pfft they dont have 5.17 legacy pack yet
2015-11-06T12:57:10 < dongs> slackers
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2015-11-06T13:14:22 < PatetOmnibus> hi, I have defined a USART2_IRQHandler, on my stm32f0, can someone tell me how to trigger it from a linux pc?
2015-11-06T13:15:29 < jpa-> what are you trying to do?
2015-11-06T13:16:32 < PatetOmnibus> just establish communication
2015-11-06T13:16:59 < jpa-> so just connect usb to ttl level serial port to the pc?
2015-11-06T13:17:08 < jpa-> and use terminal program to talk to it
2015-11-06T13:19:47 < PatetOmnibus> I have a UART2 configuration and I have ttyUSB0, but I do not know how to
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2015-11-06T13:20:12 < jpa-> how to what?
2015-11-06T13:20:15 < PatetOmnibus> trigger the intrrupt
2015-11-06T13:22:10 < jpa-> when have you configured the interrupt to occur?
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2015-11-06T13:27:36 < PatetOmnibus> USART2_IRQn
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2015-11-06T14:19:49 < Fleck> dongs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271786278903 :D
2015-11-06T14:29:40 < Fleck> https://38.media.tumblr.com/3675d4936c56209f41c689b8bd1452d8/tumblr_nq01leEx0U1s391qwo1_400.gif
2015-11-06T14:43:38 < Laurenceb> Lunix party  https://regmedia.co.uk/2015/11/06/eric_raymond.jpg?x=648&y=348&crop=1
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2015-11-06T15:00:59 < Laurenceb> http://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/che-stallman-tshirt.html
2015-11-06T15:02:39 < mitrax> Laurenceb: looks like the perfect xmas present for dongs
2015-11-06T15:02:45 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-11-06T15:05:07 < mitrax> jpa-: gah... turns out that if i skip the LCD init/deinit entirely (which i should have done much earlier) it doesn't hang... guess LTDC is still busy messing with the sdram somehow when i turn it off
2015-11-06T15:06:37 < mitrax> although i explicitely disable LTDC clock, i'd have thought the lcd controller is stopped after that
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2015-11-06T15:26:10 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/a/ab/Jihadcat.jpg
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2015-11-06T16:01:19 < ReadError> dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec1EF2UaQ4U
2015-11-06T16:03:34 < mitrax> what a load of crap
2015-11-06T16:03:57 < mitrax> "it's not just about technology, it's really a lifestyle"
2015-11-06T16:04:58 < ReadError> more like its all CGI
2015-11-06T16:05:15 < mitrax> well of course, it's a concept drone
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2015-11-06T16:23:36 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-06T16:26:59 < Laurenceb> do vias in flexipcb tend to be the first point of failure?
2015-11-06T16:27:12 < Laurenceb> I'm wondering if I should avoid flexing them at all costs?
2015-11-06T16:30:30 < jpa-> i haven't seen a failed flexpcb except when it has got pinched mechanically between some sharp edges
2015-11-06T16:30:56 < Laurenceb> I've got a whole pile of them
2015-11-06T16:31:08 < Laurenceb> maybe its the manufacturer :-/
2015-11-06T16:31:12 < Laurenceb> used pcb pool
2015-11-06T16:31:49 < Laurenceb> two of them failed during assembly, then I have a ton of failed parts, almost all the first production run has failed due to pcb issues
2015-11-06T16:32:24 < Laurenceb> very hard to work out, I'm scraping off the solder stop, but I'm not sure if thats damaging the pcb more
2015-11-06T16:32:36 < Laurenceb> looks like main issue is failed vias
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2015-11-06T16:52:49 < Sync> is it constantly flexed in the application?
2015-11-06T16:53:29 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-11-06T16:53:36 < Laurenceb> at ~0.5Hz or so
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2015-11-06T16:53:56 < Laurenceb> I got some failures during initial testing, then more after a few weeks
2015-11-06T16:54:10 < Laurenceb> but the flexing is only ~2% duty cycle
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2015-11-06T16:54:36 < Laurenceb> maybe I'm exceeding the elastic limit of the copper
2015-11-06T16:54:39 < Laurenceb> SHIT
2015-11-06T16:55:26 < Laurenceb> I mean fatigue limit
2015-11-06T16:55:36 < Sync> probably
2015-11-06T16:55:56 < Sync> as copper workhardens
2015-11-06T16:57:59 < Laurenceb> this could be fun to model
2015-11-06T16:58:08 < Laurenceb> multiphysics time :-/
2015-11-06T16:58:15 < Sync> wee comsol
2015-11-06T16:58:18 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-11-06T16:58:28 < Sync> god, I hate that software
2015-11-06T16:58:31 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-11-06T16:58:36 < Sync> can't you just make a simulator?
2015-11-06T16:58:49 < BrainDamage> try some open source alternatives and you'll end up with cancer
2015-11-06T16:58:53 < BrainDamage> like elmer
2015-11-06T16:58:53 < Laurenceb> you mean a physical simulator
2015-11-06T16:58:57 < Laurenceb> heh elmer
2015-11-06T16:59:06 < Laurenceb> I can never make a stable mesh in elmer
2015-11-06T16:59:25 < Sync> I import meshes into elmer
2015-11-06T16:59:28 < Sync> it actually is not too bad
2015-11-06T16:59:33 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-11-06T16:59:36 < BrainDamage> i can do that too
2015-11-06T16:59:40 < Laurenceb> yeah I'm a n00b
2015-11-06T16:59:49 < Laurenceb> I'd need handholding to make elmer work
2015-11-06T17:00:10 < BrainDamage> what do you use? gmsh?
2015-11-06T17:00:11 < Laurenceb> and not give NaN
2015-11-06T17:00:23 < Sync> mostly gmsh, yeah
2015-11-06T17:00:55 < Laurenceb> maybe I could find a microCT to use
2015-11-06T17:01:06 < Laurenceb> that would answer the question of whats failing
2015-11-06T17:01:27 < Sync> heh
2015-11-06T17:03:19 < Laurenceb> I could move the vias out of the high flex region, but then I have to wait for new PCBs for weeks :-/
2015-11-06T17:03:41 < Laurenceb> guess I should just ask for more money :D
2015-11-06T17:05:52 < Sync> yep
2015-11-06T17:06:15 < Sync> can't you use a rigid-flex?
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2015-11-06T17:23:34 < Laurenceb> maybe yeah
2015-11-06T17:23:42 < Laurenceb> well its already rigid at either end
2015-11-06T17:23:53 < Laurenceb> but not all vias would fit in the rigid area
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2015-11-06T17:33:39 < Sync> make the rigid area bigger
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2015-11-06T17:52:46 < mitrax> jpa-: Aha! found the culprit, it was indeed in the LTDC 'deinitialization' code
2015-11-06T17:56:48 < mitrax> jpa-: if a LTDC layer is enabled through the LTDC_LxCR registers it seems that you *must* disable it before disabling the whole LTDC through LTDC_GTR, and stm32cube doesn't do that... actually it doesn't reset any registers
2015-11-06T17:57:57 < mitrax> jpa- / zyp: thanks for the help :)
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2015-11-06T18:04:25 < upgrdman_> neat little eink display   http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/E1144CS021/E1144CS021-ND/5046789
2015-11-06T18:06:25 < Laurenceb> I spot flexi-pcb :-S
2015-11-06T18:06:51 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-11-06T18:08:43 < Taxman> mitrax: You work with display stuff, too?
2015-11-06T18:12:20 < dongs> bedtime
2015-11-06T18:14:10 < mitrax> taxman: yup
2015-11-06T18:17:53 < upgrdman_> to printf a uint8_t you would use %c ?
2015-11-06T18:18:18 < Rob235> what does the timer DIER register do?
2015-11-06T18:19:04 < Rob235> what does dma request enable mean and trigger dma request enable
2015-11-06T18:20:59 < Rob235> does it just enable the ccr counter to toggle from high to low?
2015-11-06T18:21:39 < jpa-> upgrdman_: if you want it as a character, yeah - otherwise %d
2015-11-06T18:22:06 < jpa-> Rob235: umm, it enables the timer to generate transfer commands to DMA controller
2015-11-06T18:22:22 < jpa-> useful for example if you want to read or write GPIO at regular intervals
2015-11-06T18:23:10 < Rob235> ok thanks
2015-11-06T18:23:21 < upgrdman_> jpa-, but wouldn't %d cause it to interpret four bytes? so nearby data would mess it up?
2015-11-06T18:23:46 < jpa-> upgrdman_: when you give uint8_t as a parameter to printf, it will be expanded to int anyway
2015-11-06T18:23:52 < mitrax> upgrdman_: printf is variadic, and supposedly the argument is promoted to int
2015-11-06T18:24:15 < upgrdman_> k
2015-11-06T18:28:24 < upgrdman_> is there a good reason for why c doesn't do "function hoisting" ?
2015-11-06T18:29:45 < upgrdman_> hmm maybe that's not the right phrase. i mean why doesn't c look for undefined functions furthur down the file, instead of requiring prototypes?
2015-11-06T18:30:11 < upgrdman_> and is there a gnu hack to make it look furthur down the page? :)
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2015-11-06T18:32:50 < mitrax> upgrdman: well for one thing it has to know the function calling convention / argument types, the function might not be further down the page, it could be in an external file / or lib that's linked later on
2015-11-06T18:33:29 < upgrdman_> sure. but if a prototype is not already "known" could it not try looking furthur down the page before issueing a warning/error?
2015-11-06T18:33:56 < jpa-> classically it's probably to avoid having to parse the file twice
2015-11-06T18:34:02 < mitrax> upgrdman: i've seen some compilers do that, but imho it's bad
2015-11-06T18:34:12 < upgrdman_> jpa-, ok, makes sense
2015-11-06T18:34:28 < upgrdman_> mitrax, why would it be bad? aside from having to parse twice as jpa- said
2015-11-06T18:34:56 < mitrax> upgrdman: because it goes against the standard & design choice that was made :)
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2015-11-06T18:35:14 < gxti_> doesn't matter if it's "bad" or "good", it just is
2015-11-06T18:35:30 < upgrdman_> ok. so is there some awesome gcc #pragma that breaks the standard but would make me happy?
2015-11-06T18:35:39 < jpa-> can't find one
2015-11-06T18:35:46 < upgrdman_> k :(
2015-11-06T18:35:48 < jpa-> would only make sense for static functions anyway
2015-11-06T18:35:48 < mitrax> upgrdman: when compiler vendor start implementing non standard extension that's how you get non portable code because some coder assume the extension is there everywhere
2015-11-06T18:36:02 < jpa-> mitrax: often non-portable code is fine
2015-11-06T18:36:19 < upgrdman_> mitrax, fine with me. the stuff im working on is mostly for mcu's, and is just in-house stuff.
2015-11-06T18:36:22 < upgrdman_> also
2015-11-06T18:36:31 < upgrdman_> making it portable, if needed, would be trivial
2015-11-06T18:36:38 < upgrdman_> just have to write up a bunch of headers
2015-11-06T18:36:57 < mitrax> yeah but what i mean is it can be confusing :) like the 0b prefix ... Tectu had a problem with code that didn't compile using Keil compiler cause the C standard doesn't have a 0b prefix, but GCC does
2015-11-06T18:37:09 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-06T18:37:10 < mitrax> people think they write portable code, when they don't
2015-11-06T18:37:18 < upgrdman_> because his shit compiler cant do 0b
2015-11-06T18:37:33 < upgrdman_> its retarded that 0b didnt make it into the standard
2015-11-06T18:38:02 < upgrdman_> anyway... im sure some graybeard perl wizard could write a one line script to convert a 0b's into 0x's
2015-11-06T18:38:08 < jubatu_> nobody is stopping you from putting ansi-strict (or whatever tf it is) in your makefile
2015-11-06T18:39:11 < jpa-> putting static functions before their usage is the simplest fix
2015-11-06T18:39:24 < jpa-> also makes it easier to find the function
2015-11-06T18:56:49 < karlp> ahhh, loonix.  made a cmake 3.1 based project, found that not-eveywhere had that, went back to cmake 2.8.12, CI machine runs an archaic 12.04 ubuntu, doesn't have even _old_ cmake, and now that I've fixed that, it doesn't have a gcc with c11 support :|
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2015-11-06T19:01:55 < jpa-> why use such ancient build machine?
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2015-11-06T19:03:25 < karlp> good question
2015-11-06T19:03:38 < karlp> I think that would probably be easiest.
2015-11-06T19:03:49 < karlp> let's set it to dist-ugprade and walk out the door for the wekeend .)
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2015-11-06T19:40:26 < Rob235> if you are doing pwm over dma with a timer and set the pwm value to 0 does it still go high in the very beginning and then drop right down to zero or does it stay at zero
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2015-11-06T20:17:40 < Rob235> also, is there any issue with enabling a gpio port multiple times with RCC_AHB1PeriphClockCmd(RCC_AHB1Periph_GPIOA, ENABLE)? if different peripherals use it and each have their own config function
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2015-11-06T20:20:20 < englishman> Your license for xeam Visual Installer has expired.
2015-11-06T20:20:24 < englishman> when installing atmel studio 7
2015-11-06T20:20:24 < englishman> lol.
2015-11-06T20:21:17 < ReadError> i wish they just had the flasher shit
2015-11-06T20:21:22 < ReadError> and not the full blown aids studio
2015-11-06T20:21:46 < englishman> i found the commandline one in studio 4
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2015-11-06T20:48:46 < Lux> There is still avrdude to flash stuff
2015-11-06T20:49:36 < Lux> Is there a way to set the clock speed on that texane stlink stuff ?
2015-11-06T20:50:11 < Lux> Can't find anything in the docu or code :/
2015-11-06T20:54:18 < PaulFertser> Lux: with stlink-v2-1 you can set speed in openocd.
2015-11-06T21:02:32 < upgrdman_> Rob235, not sure if dma would change anything, but pwm of 0 should result in DC, no blips. and also not sure about that gpio function, but i've poked gpio registers needlessly before and nothing bad happens
2015-11-06T21:03:10 < Rob235> great, thanks for the reply
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2015-11-06T21:03:45 < upgrdman_> sure
2015-11-06T21:06:36 < Rob235> also, if you set the dma periph data width to halfword and pass it an array of bytes will it cast it to halfwords? this would cut the buffer array in half
2015-11-06T21:06:52 < Rob235> oh no that wouldnt work
2015-11-06T21:07:09 < Rob235> it would just treat two of the bytes as one member right?
2015-11-06T21:07:14 < upgrdman_> not sure. guessing if it expects half words, it just moves a point 2 bytes at a time
2015-11-06T21:07:22 < upgrdman_> but check ref man or try it
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2015-11-06T21:19:29 < englishman> Lux: i use avrdude on lunix
2015-11-06T21:19:37 < englishman> but on windows it requires that zadig problem
2015-11-06T21:20:26 < englishman> and, breaks avrispmkii use with atmel studio :(
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2015-11-06T21:49:22 < Laurenceb> http://patri-archie-comics.tumblr.com/image/131941474557
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2015-11-06T21:53:03 < mtbg> let's guess what will be the primary motives in society in 2016
2015-11-06T21:55:54 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B86YTlSCYAEnFbz.jpg:large
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2015-11-06T21:57:34 < mtbg> I'm quite sorry for these people
2015-11-06T21:57:44 < mtbg> they are creating their own mental hell
2015-11-06T21:58:15 < mtbg> and then desperately try to escape it blaming whoever they are able
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2015-11-06T21:59:22 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITBlPslumMo
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2015-11-06T22:20:46 < Rob235> on stm32f4 discovery if I set Timer2 prescaler to 0 and period to 104 then I get 105 counts in 800 kHz time period correct? system clock at 168 MHz
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2015-11-06T22:21:01 < Laurenceb> https://secure.static.tumblr.com/61ffcbb15925313886cffbdcb155b2bc/s763uzh/Pd0nlf366/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_bhthovt49g8c4kwkk04kc04os_640.png
2015-11-06T22:24:52 < mtbg> promillenial
2015-11-06T22:25:10 < mtbg> future proof
2015-11-06T22:27:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb: can you open the joke for me
2015-11-06T22:27:55 < kakimir> did they die?
2015-11-06T22:28:35 < mitrax> kakimir: i didn't get it and had to look it up too... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
2015-11-06T22:30:18 < kakimir> 13 known children
2015-11-06T22:31:14 < Rob235> https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/ws2812-breakout-hookup-guide  about 1/3 of the way down you can see the timing (350 ns for low, 700 ns for high) how close does it have to be to work? will 345.1 ns and 702.1 ns be fine? I'm guessing yes but curious what the limits are
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2015-11-06T22:33:13 < mitrax> Rob235: check the datasheet
2015-11-06T22:33:41 < mitrax> Rob235:  https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/WS2812.pdf page 4 it says +-150ns
2015-11-06T22:33:58 < Rob235> ahh thanks lots of wiggle room
2015-11-06T22:34:33 < mitrax> eheh
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2015-11-06T22:43:53 < kakimir> anyone know free C interpreter for POSIX?
2015-11-06T22:44:11 < kakimir> for GNU/Linux
2015-11-06T22:46:14 < mtbg> interpreter?
2015-11-06T22:46:20 < mtbg> you want instant evaluation?
2015-11-06T22:46:56 < kakimir> same thing python does
2015-11-06T22:47:16 < kakimir> type stuff and boom
2015-11-06T22:47:24 < mtbg> https://github.com/zsaleeba/picoc
2015-11-06T22:47:34 < mtbg> but, I think it is fairly limited
2015-11-06T22:47:45 < mtbg> I played with it a while ago
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2015-11-06T22:50:45 < kakimir> echo 'void main(){printf("boom boom");}' | tcc -run -
2015-11-06T22:51:07 < mtbg> picoc> printf("boom boom");
2015-11-06T22:51:07 < mtbg> boom boompicoc>
2015-11-06T22:51:42 < kakimir> what limitations?
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2015-11-06T22:54:31 < mtbg> probably most posix C functions aren't exported
2015-11-06T22:54:54 < mtbg> and fork() does weird thing as one would expect in the interactive mode
2015-11-06T22:54:55 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-06T22:55:41 < mtbg> https://github.com/zsaleeba/picoc/tree/master/cstdlib
2015-11-06T22:56:18 < kakimir> hmm
2015-11-06T22:56:40 < kakimir> you need such functionality for interpreter?
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2015-11-06T22:57:15 < mtbg> you asked about interpreter for posix systems
2015-11-06T22:57:26 < mtbg> so I guess you want posix api exported completely
2015-11-06T22:57:54 < mtbg> but as of just expression interpreter, I think it is accurate enough
2015-11-06T22:58:06 < mtbg> not played much with it though
2015-11-06T22:58:17 < kakimir> standard library looks thin but adequate
2015-11-06T22:59:41 < mtbg> it seems trivial to extend it
2015-11-06T22:59:59 < mtbg> given the interface they provided
2015-11-06T23:01:28 < kakimir> I won't
2015-11-06T23:03:37 < mtbg> I once wrote a wrapper which used gcc to run .c file with #!/bin/wrapper-name on the first line
2015-11-06T23:03:43 < mtbg> as in scripts
2015-11-06T23:03:53 < mtbg> but that probably is not what you wand
2015-11-06T23:03:54 < mtbg> t
2015-11-06T23:05:23 < kakimir> well
2015-11-06T23:05:56 < kakimir> you can put tcc -run there and get away without scripting
2015-11-06T23:06:05 < mtbg> yep
2015-11-06T23:07:44 < kakimir> tcc seems to be quite fast thing
2015-11-06T23:11:19 < kakimir> compiles 9-41times faster but program runs 3-4times slower
2015-11-06T23:11:31 < kakimir> sometimes you need instant compile times
2015-11-06T23:11:53 < mtbg> many compilers are faster than gcc
2015-11-06T23:12:13 < kakimir> and what I have heard - better in every way
2015-11-06T23:12:31 < mtbg> but gcc is industry standard
2015-11-06T23:13:45 < kakimir> gnu standard
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2015-11-06T23:26:06 < kakimir> makefile has some problems
2015-11-06T23:26:11 < kakimir> -DVER=\"`svnversion -n`\"
2015-11-06T23:26:57 < kakimir> gcc: error: directory": Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole
2015-11-06T23:27:22 < kakimir> no file or directory
2015-11-06T23:29:54 < kakimir> I don't have idea what it tries to be
2015-11-06T23:35:11 < mtbg> change it to whatever you like
2015-11-06T23:35:30 < mtbg> -DVER=\"none\"
2015-11-06T23:35:34 < mtbg> in makefile
2015-11-06T23:35:54 < kakimir> I think I found the problem
2015-11-06T23:36:38 < kakimir> no
2015-11-06T23:36:47 < kakimir> defining unix host didn't do it
2015-11-06T23:37:02 < mtbg> svnversion -n
2015-11-06T23:37:03 < mtbg> Unversioned directory
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2015-11-06T23:37:19 < mtbg> this really doesn't do anything
2015-11-06T23:37:35 < mtbg> just changes the revision the program has to report
2015-11-06T23:37:40 < mtbg> on startup
2015-11-06T23:38:18 < mtbg> anything instead of `svnversion -n` will make it compile
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2015-11-06T23:38:34 < mtbg> single word or number
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2015-11-06T23:40:43 < kakimir> what is DVER?
2015-11-06T23:41:12 < kakimir> is it GCC thing or
2015-11-06T23:41:24 < mtbg> it defines preprocessor macro VER with a given value
2015-11-06T23:41:40 < mtbg> which is then used just to output program version
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2015-11-06T23:42:42 < kakimir> output where?
2015-11-06T23:43:18 < kakimir> oh
2015-11-06T23:43:21 < kakimir> macro VER
2015-11-06T23:43:31 < kakimir> so can I do any macro I like with -D
2015-11-06T23:43:49 < kakimir> or just limited set of macros?
2015-11-06T23:44:12 < mtbg> anything you like
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2015-11-06T23:44:27 < mtbg> it can be with or without value
2015-11-06T23:44:36 < mtbg> and works just as #define with or without value
2015-11-06T23:45:13 < mtbg> common use is to enable runtime debug
2015-11-06T23:45:23 < mtbg> with something like -DDEBUG
2015-11-06T23:45:31 < kakimir> -DDONGS
2015-11-06T23:47:55 < kakimir> picoc is working
2015-11-06T23:48:42 < kakimir> would be nice to output variable data just by
2015-11-06T23:48:42 < mtbg> spreading its tail feathers to attract females?
2015-11-06T23:49:09 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-06T23:49:32 < kakimir> but by just typing the name of variable and [enter]
2015-11-06T23:49:37 < kakimir> like python does
2015-11-06T23:49:53 < kakimir> even formats output nicely
2015-11-06T23:51:05 < mtbg> I think it is straightforward to modify it to output type and calculated value of last expression
2015-11-06T23:51:15 < mtbg> but not every expression is evaluated immediately
2015-11-06T23:51:30 < mtbg> well
2015-11-06T23:51:41 < mtbg> in python interactive mode that is the case too
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2015-11-07T00:04:04 < Rob235> is there a reason my compiler won't allow initial declarations inside a for loop?
2015-11-07T00:06:25 < kakimir> wat is it saying?
2015-11-07T00:06:26 < upgrdman_> an enum is essential an unsigned int, right? any way to make it a uint8_t?
2015-11-07T00:07:03 < mtbg> inside the block or inside for initialization statement?
2015-11-07T00:08:04 < mtbg> upgrdman_: afaik you have typed enums in C11
2015-11-07T00:08:25 < kakimir> Rob235: code
2015-11-07T00:08:52 < kakimir> show it
2015-11-07T00:08:54 < karlp> upgrdman_: there's a -shortenums somewhere, but why does it matter?
2015-11-07T00:09:13 < karlp> Rob235: if it's just for (int i=0,....) that's because you need -std=c99 or better
2015-11-07T00:09:24 < upgrdman_> karlp, want to start a state enum in a struct in an RTC register (battery backed) and don't have bytes to waste
2015-11-07T00:10:11 < Rob235> karlp: yeah thats the problem, I just don't understand why. can I enable c99 or should I just declare the variables outside the loop
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2015-11-07T00:13:01 < kakimir> you should declare outside the loop
2015-11-07T00:13:07 < karlp> Rob235: umm, what ever you prefer?
2015-11-07T00:13:20 < karlp> kakimir: fuck off, go back and live in c89 world :)
2015-11-07T00:13:22 < Rob235> doesn't affect anything to enable it?
2015-11-07T00:13:36 < karlp> it enables parsing your code based on a certain C standard,
2015-11-07T00:13:46 < karlp> only you know what c standard your code adheres to
2015-11-07T00:14:06 < Rob235> but any standard will work on stm32?
2015-11-07T00:14:11 < karlp> but, gcc5 and up will default to c11, so there's not really nay point in sticking with c89 unless you can explain why you want it.
2015-11-07T00:14:28 < karlp> by the time it's compiled the stm32 doesn't knwo what langauge you even wrote it in remember.
2015-11-07T00:14:34 < karlp> could have been colorforth
2015-11-07T00:14:50 < kakimir> always implement the latest standard if there is no reason not to
2015-11-07T00:15:21 < Rob235> c11 is newer than c99?
2015-11-07T00:16:10 < mtbg> yep
2015-11-07T00:16:19 < mtbg> there weren't many computers in 1911
2015-11-07T00:16:32 < Rob235> oh i didn't know it was the year heh
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2015-11-07T00:17:41 < mitrax> ahahaha
2015-11-07T00:19:58 < karlp> if you're afraid, there's a -Wc99-not-c11 or something too that will warn you if you use anything super modern.
2015-11-07T00:21:25 < Rob235> I just enabled c11 and no more errors
2015-11-07T00:21:31 < Rob235> well one more but not related :)
2015-11-07T00:22:10 < karlp> welcome to the future :)
2015-11-07T00:22:15 < karlp> c89 is teh suck
2015-11-07T00:22:30 < kakimir> who uses c89?
2015-11-07T00:22:35 < mtbg> minix
2015-11-07T00:22:36 < kakimir> seriously
2015-11-07T00:22:43 < kakimir> why the hell
2015-11-07T00:23:00 < mtbg> to be compatible with old compilers
2015-11-07T00:23:40 < upgrdman_> damn. lpcexpresso gcc doesn't like #pragma enum=small :(
2015-11-07T00:24:23 < karlp> just use #defines instead of an enum :)
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2015-11-07T00:24:40 < karlp> enums in C are kinda sucky anyway.
2015-11-07T00:24:52 < upgrdman_> temped to, but enums seem a little cleaner
2015-11-07T00:25:11 < upgrdman_> i'll just cast the enum to a uint8_t before writing it to the rtc register
2015-11-07T00:25:11 < kakimir> mtbg: why
2015-11-07T00:25:23 < karlp> then you might as well not have the struct though.
2015-11-07T00:25:32 < mtbg> because all software sucks
2015-11-07T00:25:33 < karlp> wasn't the point that this was in a struct you wanted to save?
2015-11-07T00:25:41 < upgrdman_> yes but
2015-11-07T00:25:48 < upgrdman_> the struct contains a bunch of stuff
2015-11-07T00:25:57 < upgrdman_> so i can have a uint_8t state
2015-11-07T00:26:17 < upgrdman_> and just do myStruct.state = (uint8_t) myEnumValue;
2015-11-07T00:26:18 < mtbg> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/os-suck
2015-11-07T00:28:43 < Rob235> I have a struct of 3 uint8_t (red, green, and blue).  I'm trying to access each member using array notation: uint8_t temp = ((uint8_t *)&led_adr_colors[i])[j]
2015-11-07T00:28:45 < Rob235> is that correct?
2015-11-07T00:29:29 < upgrdman_> no
2015-11-07T00:29:35 < mtbg> what is led_adr_colors?
2015-11-07T00:29:50 < Rob235> the struct is named color and led_adr_colors is an array of color
2015-11-07T00:30:31 < mtbg> it will work
2015-11-07T00:30:38 < mtbg> but why not an union then?
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2015-11-07T00:33:25 < Rob235> doesn't a union only hold one value at a time? Why would I want that
2015-11-07T00:36:20 < mtbg> union <name> {
2015-11-07T00:36:27 < Rob235> hmm collect2.exe error: Id returned 1 exit status... how do I debug this? :P
2015-11-07T00:36:30 < mtbg>  uint8_t color[3];
2015-11-07T00:36:52 < mtbg>   struct { uint8_t r, g, b; } c;
2015-11-07T00:36:53 < mtbg> }
2015-11-07T00:36:59 < mtbg> or something of this kind
2015-11-07T00:37:03 < mtbg> and packed, also
2015-11-07T00:37:50 < Rob235> so using a union I could interchange struct and array notation whenever I want?
2015-11-07T00:38:08 < Rob235> it all just points to the same data
2015-11-07T00:38:15 < mtbg> yes
2015-11-07T00:38:19 < Rob235> cool thanks
2015-11-07T00:43:24 < kakimir> mtbg: thats like 90's legacy list there?
2015-11-07T00:44:10 < kakimir> must have been interesting times
2015-11-07T00:45:26 < kakimir> I remember how win98 sucked once or twice
2015-11-07T00:45:29 < kakimir> a day
2015-11-07T00:49:36 < kakimir> and winxp sucked less until it started sucking all the malware to itself
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2015-11-07T00:55:21 < Rob235> ugh I hate having a problem with language basics but I haven't done this in a while. should it be struct color { xxx }; or typedef struct { xxx } color;  it will only compile with the latter but I thought having the name at the end just created a variable of that struct
2015-11-07T00:56:07 < kakimir> so is it that exec functions replace current process completelly with program being launched and won't return from function call to program?
2015-11-07T00:56:56 < munki> typedef struct { int x; int y; }structName
2015-11-07T00:57:07 < Rob235> ok thanks
2015-11-07T00:57:16 < mtbg> kakimir: it is just thoughts of one of plan9 developers
2015-11-07T00:57:24 < munki> then you do
2015-11-07T00:57:32 < mtbg> very interesting and intelligent stuff on his site imho
2015-11-07T00:57:35 < munki> structName x;
2015-11-07T00:57:40 < munki> x.y=5;
2015-11-07T00:57:40 < munki> etc
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2015-11-07T00:58:30 < kakimir> why would you want hundred of OSes that all suck hard
2015-11-07T00:59:14 < mtbg> each one sucks in distinct way
2015-11-07T00:59:15 < kakimir> idk. about linux nowdays it's seem to work just fine
2015-11-07T00:59:23 < mtbg> that makes this world beautiful
2015-11-07T00:59:49 < kakimir> deep thought there.
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2015-11-07T01:03:26 < Rob235> how do you debug linker errors?
2015-11-07T01:04:03 < kakimir> offload them all here
2015-11-07T01:05:04 < Rob235> oh I think I see the problem
2015-11-07T01:05:32 < mtbg> protein based debugger
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2015-11-07T01:07:37 < kakimir> caffeine fueled debugger
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2015-11-07T01:35:04 < jadew> FRIDAY!
2015-11-07T01:35:19 < kakimir> FRIDAY!
2015-11-07T01:45:30 < oz4ga> saturday
2015-11-07T02:04:09 < dongs> dongs!
2015-11-07T02:06:21 < englishman> hooray!
2015-11-07T02:07:16  * karlp just bought a xiaomi 4c phone on the internetz
2015-11-07T02:07:21 < karlp> let's see how the adventure turns out :)
2015-11-07T02:23:14 < dongs> is that new
2015-11-07T02:23:20 < dongs> or just cheap
2015-11-07T02:23:28 < dongs> 2015 september.
2015-11-07T02:23:29 < dongs> sounds new
2015-11-07T02:23:48 < dongs> USB-C
2015-11-07T02:24:39 < dongs> apparently cyanogay works on it
2015-11-07T02:24:44 < dongs> if you h8 the chinaui
2015-11-07T02:26:26 < dongs> i thought assdroid5 was supposed to run in 512k ram
2015-11-07T02:26:30 < dongs> er 512m
2015-11-07T02:26:34 < dongs> why the fuck allt his shit comes with 3gb now
2015-11-07T02:32:21 < munki> sup guys
2015-11-07T02:33:09 < munki> any ideas on how to interface with an old legacy chip that has a parallel bus
2015-11-07T02:33:17 < munki> thinking about just bitbanging it
2015-11-07T02:33:32 < munki> but was wondering if there is a better way using some kind of DMA access
2015-11-07T02:37:23 < munki> http://map.grauw.nl/resources/sound/yamaha_ymf262.pdf
2015-11-07T02:40:10 < upgrdman> munki, never tried it, but f4 has the fsmc which might be adaptable for it?
2015-11-07T02:49:50 < dongs> munki: just bitbang, or hook it up to like low bits of PortA/B/C etc and just directly w rite to ODR and such
2015-11-07T02:49:55 < dongs> and yes, fsmc will d o it
2015-11-07T02:50:01 < dongs> upgrdman: not onyl F4, even F1 has it iun bigger chips
2015-11-07T02:50:09 < upgrdman> cool. TIL
2015-11-07T02:52:43 < dongs> fsmc is on 100+ pin
2015-11-07T02:52:49 < dongs> so F103VC will have it.
2015-11-07T02:52:56 < dongs> or V<wahtever>
2015-11-07T02:53:23 < upgrdman> my tssop f0 doesn't have it ;(
2015-11-07T02:53:29 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-07T02:54:07 < dongs> hm iduno if any of F0 has fsmc.
2015-11-07T02:54:13 < upgrdman> doubt it
2015-11-07T02:54:23 < upgrdman> f0 is low end. i dont think any have >256KB flash
2015-11-07T02:59:02 < munki> dongs: yeah
2015-11-07T02:59:04 < munki> probably just gonna do that
2015-11-07T02:59:08 < munki> i think the way it works
2015-11-07T02:59:11 < munki> you raise the clock
2015-11-07T02:59:17 < munki> write to d0-7
2015-11-07T02:59:19 < munki> then lower it
2015-11-07T02:59:21 < munki> and it does stuff
2015-11-07T02:59:35 < munki> shouldn't be too difficult to write some functions for htat
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2015-11-07T03:03:54 < dongs> not at all
2015-11-07T03:04:14 < dongs> you couldsetup a timer + DMA the gpio if you really want, and use the timer output to make clock
2015-11-07T03:04:30 < dongs> but more trouble than its worth really, especially since the device probably doesnt ggive a shit how fast /slow you access it.
2015-11-07T03:04:38 < munki> yeah it appears it doesn't
2015-11-07T03:04:46 < munki> just has to sync up correctly with the timing of the clock
2015-11-07T03:04:56 < munki> the actual master clock is independant of that
2015-11-07T03:08:32 < dongs> dont think it has to
2015-11-07T03:08:49 < dongs> the shit i've used that was like that, it basicalyl checks the D0..D7/A0..wahtever on rising/falling edge of clock
2015-11-07T03:08:57 < dongs> so if you set your data, then latch clock, its fine
2015-11-07T03:09:12 < munki> cool
2015-11-07T03:11:23 < munki> i've always loved the sound of the old sound blaster chips
2015-11-07T03:11:36 < munki> want to see if i can make a standalone device using it for sound generation
2015-11-07T03:15:34 < karlp> dongs: that xiaomi phoen came in a 2gig and a 3gig version, thought I'd go for more
2015-11-07T03:15:44 < karlp> android runs ok on low mem, but not many apps do
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2015-11-07T03:21:27 < dongs> munki: lols.. you mean the OPL synth or wat?
2015-11-07T03:21:40 < munki> yea
2015-11-07T03:21:46 < munki> the opl3
2015-11-07T03:22:17 < dongs> munki: here u go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN20rYT5twU
2015-11-07T03:22:22 < dongs> i was gonna suggeste just get an ISA slot
2015-11-07T03:23:16 < munki> hahaha
2015-11-07T03:23:18 < munki> that's pretty cool
2015-11-07T03:23:21 < dongs> looks like the poles beat you to t he innovation
2015-11-07T03:23:41 < munki> my goal is to just use the opl3 and a midi input to do audio stuff
2015-11-07T03:24:07 < dongs> i know but
2015-11-07T03:24:18 < munki> that's pretty legit how they did that though
2015-11-07T03:24:26 < munki> i wonder if they made a library for ISA interface
2015-11-07T03:25:11 < dongs> duno there's sores but requires login t o that polish forum
2015-11-07T03:25:16 < dongs> i'd guess they're using FSMC and DMA
2015-11-07T03:25:49 < dongs> or not
2015-11-07T03:25:55 < dongs> data is PC0..15
2015-11-07T03:26:05 < dongs> and address is highbits of PB
2015-11-07T03:26:17 < dongs> looks like buttbang for everythign
2015-11-07T03:27:30 < munki> buttbangin 24/7/365
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2015-11-07T03:45:20 < Rob235> where does dma channel come into play? where do you set that?
2015-11-07T03:46:00 < dongs> its determined by the device.
2015-11-07T03:46:02 < dongs> look in datasheet
2015-11-07T03:46:06 < dongs> device = peripheral
2015-11-07T03:46:47 < Rob235> timer2 channel2 is on stream 6 channel 3
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2015-11-07T03:48:28 < dongs> right
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2015-11-07T03:55:28 < Rob235> so I should be using the 2 version of capture/compare stuff?
2015-11-07T03:55:45 < Rob235> thats based on the timer channel?
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2015-11-07T04:01:09 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/HZHfTw0P
2015-11-07T04:01:17 < Rob235> gets stuck on line 102.
2015-11-07T04:01:30 < Rob235> I'm sure I'm screwing the config up somehow
2015-11-07T04:02:43 < dongs> are you doing 2812 leds..
2015-11-07T04:03:15 < Rob235> 72
2015-11-07T04:04:00 < Rob235> oh god
2015-11-07T04:04:02 < Rob235> yes
2015-11-07T04:04:03 < Rob235> :)
2015-11-07T04:04:11 < Rob235> my brain is fried
2015-11-07T04:17:01 < Rob235> TIM_DMACmd(TIM2, TIM_DMA_CC2, ENABLE); is that what sets it to channel 3? I don't set a 3 anywhere in my code, is it something I have to set?
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2015-11-07T05:27:16 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/hx38LDu
2015-11-07T05:36:44 < upgrdman> very nsfw, but lol  http://gfycat.com/IndolentEcstaticAfricanharrierhawk
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2015-11-07T06:02:17 < upgrdman> dongs, http://38.media.tumblr.com/55466eda31677e264f3b4e387ebbc8de/tumblr_nx94001gon1r09l2vo1_400.gif
2015-11-07T06:03:09 < upgrdman> also  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYfJqbeywg4
2015-11-07T06:06:40 < dongs> lold @ spiccar
2015-11-07T06:07:15 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-07T06:09:59 < upgrdman> dongs, https://youtu.be/DKnIPJfVxFU?t=31
2015-11-07T06:10:35 < dongs> chinks
2015-11-07T06:15:22 < ReadError> is that hillary clinton?
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2015-11-07T06:40:49 < dongs> https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/watch/docotch01/ saw this at jappushop today
2015-11-07T06:42:56 < dongs> err waht teh fuck
2015-11-07T06:43:09 < dongs> sony Z5 has a 5.5" 4K screen
2015-11-07T06:43:35 < dongs> why japanese people
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2015-11-07T07:11:18 < Rob235> can someone take a look at my code? It loops forever on line 102 (waiting for dma tc flag).
2015-11-07T07:11:21 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/HZHfTw0P
2015-11-07T07:13:58 < Rob235> I'm sure I've set something up wrong, just can't figure it out
2015-11-07T07:28:21 < dongs> i only have dma/2811 code for F1
2015-11-07T07:28:23 < dongs> sry cant halp
2015-11-07T07:30:24 < Rob235> no problem
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2015-11-07T07:46:32 < dongs> err
2015-11-07T07:46:33 < dongs> fuck off
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2015-11-07T08:21:30 < englishman> its possible if you upgrade to win10
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2015-11-07T08:58:03 < upgrdman> whats a good free archive tool for windows? (zip, rar, etc.)
2015-11-07T08:58:17 < jpa-> 7-zip
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2015-11-07T09:01:51 < upgrdman> thx
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2015-11-07T12:11:32 < nepho1> Hey. I'm coding a minesweeper in ADA for the stm32. How can I set a break in gdb before my code crashes and the card reboots?
2015-11-07T12:11:53 < nepho1> Because what happens right now is that my code causes an error, the card reboots, and only once it reboots gdb catches something
2015-11-07T12:12:00 < jpa-> you are running ada on stm32?
2015-11-07T12:12:18 < nepho1> (I can't check right now but I believe using bt in gdb gives me the rom_start method)
2015-11-07T12:12:24 < jpa-> nepho1: set a breakpoint in hardfault_handler or similar function
2015-11-07T12:12:42 < nepho1> Well I'm using a cross-compiler but the projet itself is in ada, don't really know why I precised this jpa-
2015-11-07T12:13:06 < nepho1> So I just load my binary, then what command can I type to set a breakpoint there?
2015-11-07T12:13:24 < nepho1> Do I need to load the file in gdb too with the "file" command ?
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2015-11-07T12:14:39 < jpa-> "b FunctionName" is the command.. but you need to find out what is the name of your hardfault handler function
2015-11-07T12:15:00 < nepho1> jpa- is the hardfault handler some sort of standard library function ?
2015-11-07T12:15:10 < jpa-> varies
2015-11-07T12:15:16 < nepho1> Mmh
2015-11-07T12:15:20 < jpa-> sometimes you write it yourself, sometimes it comes with the liraries
2015-11-07T12:15:24 < nepho1> I see
2015-11-07T12:15:37 < nepho1> I guess it's basically the method called when shit goes wrong?
2015-11-07T12:16:01 < jpa-> p /16xw 0x0000   and then it is one of the hex values..   "info symbol 0x12345678"   gives info about the what function the hex address is
2015-11-07T12:16:02 < jpa-> yeah
2015-11-07T12:16:45 < jpa-> hardfault handler should be the 4th value there
2015-11-07T12:16:52 < nepho1> Okay. Mmh. The thing is, it will probably only tell me where my bug crashes, not why, right? Because I already know exactly where it bugs, but I have literally no idea why
2015-11-07T12:17:01 < nepho1> my code crashes*
2015-11-07T12:17:04 < jpa-> it will tell more also
2015-11-07T12:17:30 < nepho1> jpa- like what, the values of the variables at the moment of the crash, things like that?
2015-11-07T12:17:49 < nepho1> Best thing would be a standard ada runtime error output :D
2015-11-07T12:18:03 < jpa-> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb    use these.. then typing "armv7m vecstate" will print what address it was trying to use and what was the general cause of crash
2015-11-07T12:18:10 < jpa-> "backtrace" command should also work
2015-11-07T12:18:39 < jpa-> yeah, i don't know about the ada environment, it might provide its own debug helpers
2015-11-07T12:18:44 < nepho1> Nice, thanks for the lin
2015-11-07T12:18:46 < nepho1> k
2015-11-07T12:18:49 < nepho1> I'll try this
2015-11-07T12:19:06 < nepho1> backtrace is nice but again it will only tell me where it crashed, which I already know
2015-11-07T12:19:08 < nepho1> :<
2015-11-07T12:19:18 < jpa-> "backtrace full" will tell variable values etc.
2015-11-07T12:19:23 < nepho1> What could cause a package to work in a test snippet but not work in a bigger project?
2015-11-07T12:19:26 < nepho1> Oh, I didn't know that
2015-11-07T12:19:38 < jpa-> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/Cihcfefj.html   here is the list of fault categories for hardfault
2015-11-07T12:19:42 < nepho1> because my problem is basically that, I have a rng which works in a test file but crashes in my minesweeper project
2015-11-07T12:19:48 < nepho1> Nice, thanks again
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2015-11-07T15:00:51 < dongs> damnit. i was running spektrum analyzer tuned into a weird satellite and it was boring for hours
2015-11-07T15:01:04 < dongs> then i walked away and i come back and there's weird super high poweer peak that goes away 3 seconds after i notice it
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2015-11-07T15:01:33 < jpa-> should just do SDR and record it
2015-11-07T15:02:38 < dongs> 1,2ghz of spectrum?
2015-11-07T15:03:39 < dongs> this shit is reallly weird tho
2015-11-07T15:03:57 < dongs> its around 120E or so, but nothing matches the frequencies that i see
2015-11-07T15:06:18 < dongs> i guess the peak for 3 seconds was until 10pm
2015-11-07T15:07:21 < dongs> hm, noe
2015-11-07T15:07:24 < dongs> it just blipped again
2015-11-07T15:07:26 < dongs> super short
2015-11-07T15:07:28 < dongs> wtff
2015-11-07T15:07:49 < Sync> look for keplers in the region
2015-11-07T15:08:01 < Sync> 1,2GHz of spectrum is no problemfactory()
2015-11-07T15:08:25 < dongs> time to setup a trigger
2015-11-07T15:09:54 < dongs> .. which isnt working
2015-11-07T15:09:55 < dongs> cute.
2015-11-07T15:10:09 < dongs> sync, kepler wat
2015-11-07T15:15:29 < Sync> tles, so satelite orbit data
2015-11-07T15:18:25 < dongs> explaoinm
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2015-11-07T15:18:44 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_(spacecraft)
2015-11-07T15:18:49 < dongs> ???
2015-11-07T15:22:05 < dongs> also these ACM streams tune but there's no transport stream there.
2015-11-07T15:22:19 < dongs> one of them has repeating data every 188 bytes but its not ts header
2015-11-07T15:22:20 < dongs> super weird shit
2015-11-07T15:32:08 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Stream oh shit
2015-11-07T15:32:14 < dongs> i didnt know this waws added in S2
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2015-11-07T17:13:22 < dongs> time to get stoned and sleep
2015-11-07T17:23:14 < Steffanx> enjoy
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2015-11-07T17:27:32 < Nepho> Hey ! So I've been coming to this channel recently because of a weird bug I had (stm32, minesweeper, homemade rng). And I figured that if it worked on my computer but crashed on the card, maybe the card is the problem? Is the processor 16bit? I have a STM32F4 DISCOVERY. It's written that it's 32 bits but I doubt it, because after a couple tests the problem is clearly the size of my numbers
2015-11-07T17:32:40 < kakimir> hsh
2015-11-07T17:32:44 < kakimir> hah
2015-11-07T17:33:19 < kakimir> what do you think 32 in stm32 stands for?
2015-11-07T17:33:23 < Nepho> lmao
2015-11-07T17:33:39 < Nepho> then why would it crash when I use at most 2**24 integers ?
2015-11-07T17:33:42 < Nepho> I don't get it
2015-11-07T17:33:56 < Nepho> Uh, I mean integers of a maximum size of 2**24
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2015-11-07T17:35:18 < Nepho> Here is the part of the code that makes it crash : http://pastebin.com/ja5akDZD (values used are the one in rng.ads) (sorry, it's ada but it's readable)
2015-11-07T17:38:21 < Nepho> Unless I'm mistaken, my integers shouldn't go past 2**24. Maybe Ada's mod works in a mysterious way?
2015-11-07T17:40:00 < kakimir> what is that language?
2015-11-07T17:40:39 < Nepho> ada
2015-11-07T17:43:44 < Rob235> can anyone help me with my timer/dma initialization? It hangs on line 102 so I'm sure I set something up wrong.  http://pastebin.com/HZHfTw0P
2015-11-07T17:44:27 < Rob235> its for a stm32f4 discovery board
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2015-11-07T18:15:10 < Rob235> TEIF is clear and TCIF never sets
2015-11-07T18:16:57 < jpa-> Rob235: is the TMR->CNT register changing? is the DMA1_Stream6->CNDTR changing?
2015-11-07T18:19:10 < jpa-> Rob235: also, should you do   DMA_Cmd(DMA1_Stream6, ENABLE);
2015-11-07T18:19:41 < jpa-> ah hmm it's there other place
2015-11-07T18:21:49 < Rob235> not sure, guess i'll have to test those registers, new to this stuff (obviously since I can't even set it up correctly :) )
2015-11-07T18:22:44 < Rob235> I think I'm using all the right channels and streams and stuff but I might have missed something.  Also do you set the dma channel anywhere? I know for tim2 ch2 its stream 6 channel 3, do you set that channel 3 anywhere?
2015-11-07T18:23:01 < Rob235> or does linking the timer to the dma do that automatically
2015-11-07T18:24:31 < jpa-> hmm IIRC you set it to the dma controller
2015-11-07T18:24:57 < jpa-> DMA_InitStruct.DMA_Channel
2015-11-07T18:25:37 < Rob235> hmm never set that, wonder if thats the problem
2015-11-07T18:26:55 < jpa-> that's the most typical error with stdperiph
2015-11-07T18:27:01 < jpa-> too easy to miss setting some struct fields
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2015-11-07T18:28:26 < Rob235> that didn't fix it but I guess I should check all the structures and see if I'm missing anything else, thanks for the tiop
2015-11-07T18:28:27 < Rob235> tip*
2015-11-07T18:30:44 < Rob235> The DIER register I'm not sure about either.  I set TDE and CC2DE
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2015-11-07T19:44:07 < qyx> mhm, MCP9808 connected to odroid-c1 works on first try using tentacle_pi python lib
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2015-11-07T20:06:04 < Rob235> alright so I've been testing and DMA1_Stream6->NDTR never changes
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2015-11-07T20:36:32 < Rob235> alright so DMA isn't enabled even after I call to enable it.  Must be a config problem which I've been thinking but can't find the problem
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2015-11-07T21:36:30 < Rob235> sweet i think I fixed it
2015-11-07T21:43:09 < Rob235> time to hook it up and test it out :)
2015-11-07T21:45:22 < Laurenceb__> http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/orboslats.png
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2015-11-07T21:47:52 < BrainDamage> wat
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2015-11-07T21:50:45 < Laurenceb__> the Orbo, its "real"
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2015-11-07T22:07:45 < Rob235> damn... my code doesn't stall anymore but the leds don't light up :( where do I go from here?
2015-11-07T22:08:10 < Rob235> anyone have a ws2812b led library for stm32f4?
2015-11-07T22:08:55 < Rob235> I might have to invest in a scope, dont know how else to figure out whats going on
2015-11-07T22:17:24 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-FX2LP-CY7C68013A-USB-Core-Development-Mini-Board-Logic-Analyzer-EEPROM-JL-/161868296029?hash=item25b01a2f5d:g:~NMAAOSwo6lWK32y   if you run linux, you can invest in one of these and use it as a logic analyzer with sigrok
2015-11-07T22:19:05 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Cable-24MHz-8Channel-USB-Logic-Analyzer-Device-Set-Compatible-With-Saleae-TU-/121795553589?hash=item1c5b94a935:g:pjQAAOSwT6pV19B1   or even this
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2015-11-07T22:21:21 < Rob235> ahh interesting
2015-11-07T22:21:24 < Rob235> and much cheaper :)
2015-11-07T22:21:37 < jpa-> and more useful for logic signals also
2015-11-07T22:22:36 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/   also works for this
2015-11-07T22:24:04 < Rob235> R2COM: why do you even bother talking, everything you say is 'useless trash'
2015-11-07T22:26:48 < Tectu> I can recommend getting one of those Saleae Logic Pro 16
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2015-11-07T22:30:15 < Tectu> jup
2015-11-07T22:30:18 < Tectu> and really nice software
2015-11-07T22:30:28 < Tectu> and the greatest customer support I ever experienced <3
2015-11-07T22:30:52 < englishman> i use $8 saleaeclone for logic signals also
2015-11-07T22:30:55 < jpa-> pulseview is actually pretty good also if you use it on linux - sucks a bit on windows though
2015-11-07T22:30:58 < englishman> cloned hardware, like real russians use
2015-11-07T22:31:03 < Steffanx> but it doesnt do analog englishman
2015-11-07T22:31:11 < englishman> no i have a scope for that :)
2015-11-07T22:31:14 < Steffanx> not usb 3.0
2015-11-07T22:31:52 < Tectu> Steffanx, never used and never will use analog feature crap of salaea
2015-11-07T22:31:54 < Tectu> got scope for dat
2015-11-07T22:31:57 < englishman> ^
2015-11-07T22:32:06 < englishman> sigrok is really nice, should see if its improved on windows
2015-11-07T22:32:08 < Tectu> even the cheapest arse scope does a better job
2015-11-07T22:32:19 < Tectu> that is why LA and scope are two separate devices - because they are very different
2015-11-07T22:32:25 < englishman> no its a clone of the $100 one that used to cost $250
2015-11-07T22:32:27 < englishman> or something
2015-11-07T22:32:32 < englishman> but, its just that one chip
2015-11-07T22:32:33 < Steffanx> but it can be useful to see the analog and digital version of a signal in the same app
2015-11-07T22:32:37 < Tectu> just buy the genuine one, guys
2015-11-07T22:32:47 < Tectu> ^
2015-11-07T22:32:50 < Steffanx> R2COM just got trolled
2015-11-07T22:33:10 < englishman> do the newer saleaes work in sigrok?
2015-11-07T22:33:13 < englishman> never liked logic software
2015-11-07T22:33:26 < jpa-> Tectu: why? atleast for the FX2 devices, its not even a matter of morale - saleae is not the inventor of FX2 as logic analyzer, IIRC even the manufacturer of the chip had an appnote to that effect
2015-11-07T22:33:38 < englishman> doubly so if you use sigrok ^
2015-11-07T22:33:42 < jpa-> englishman: some of them do, but you may have to rip the firmware
2015-11-07T22:33:59 < jpa-> yeah, exactly with sigrok - of course using saleae software with clones is questionable
2015-11-07T22:34:29 < Tectu> jpa-, I have no idea what FX2 is. I didn´t mean buy a saleae. I mean just buy what ever the original thing is that was cloned.
2015-11-07T22:34:31 < jpa-> but the $10 FX2 devices are enough for a lot
2015-11-07T22:34:38 < jpa-> Tectu: why?
2015-11-07T22:35:02 < Tectu> jpa-, nice-ness
2015-11-07T22:35:05 < Tectu> (as in being a nice person)
2015-11-07T22:35:14 < jpa-> umm
2015-11-07T22:35:30 < jpa-> the FX2 based logic analyzers are *literally* the reference schematic from FX2 datasheet
2015-11-07T22:35:51 < jpa-> so what does it matter from who you buy a pcb that implements the reference schematic?
2015-11-07T22:36:39 < PaulFertser> jpa-: some fx2 based devices have an analog input too.
2015-11-07T22:36:50 < jpa-> (ok, well, the ones that are sold as 'saleae clones' clone their usb vid/pid numbers)
2015-11-07T22:37:17 < jpa-> PaulFertser: true, though usually pretty crappy one due to the limited bandwidth
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2015-11-07T22:38:21 < Tectu> jpa-, nope, I get what you mean
2015-11-07T22:38:32 < Tectu> jpa-, I thought that it is all saleae property - I had no idea
2015-11-07T22:38:50 < jpa-> Tectu: ok, yeah, i agree that it is not obvious :)
2015-11-07T22:39:00 < Tectu> :)
2015-11-07T22:39:13 < jpa-> the newer saleaes are more complex and have actually something that could be claimed as imaginary property
2015-11-07T22:40:13 < jpa-> i think it would help saleae if they kept selling the cheap-ass FX2 devices at $20 or something - but apparently they rather sell their new crappier logic4 at much higher prices
2015-11-07T22:40:18 < Rob235> just ordered this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231563021522  I'll pick up a better one later when I need it.
2015-11-07T22:40:49 < Steffanx> hard but not impossible
2015-11-07T22:41:02 < Tectu> jpa-, but it alu and totally mac mini so got to be goooood!!!!! :D
2015-11-07T22:41:11 < Steffanx> isnt there this chinese company that does it for you?
2015-11-07T22:41:20 < Tectu> R2COM, they use xilinx spartan FPGAs in all their devices
2015-11-07T22:41:26 < Steffanx> remember some link posted here once
2015-11-07T22:41:56 < Tectu> they usually offer encrypted firmware crap etc.
2015-11-07T22:42:10 < Tectu> R2COM, but after all you have to reverse engineer the protocol, not the chip firmware
2015-11-07T22:42:22 < Tectu> R2COM, so when you know what to send via USB you can use the software with your own hardware
2015-11-07T22:43:27 < Tectu> I´ve seen reverse engineering work for way shittier things
2015-11-07T22:43:38 < Tectu> there are people who love reverse engineerign - just as a hobby, tho
2015-11-07T22:43:51 < jpa-> some sigrok people have written open source firmware for saleae logic16 IIRC
2015-11-07T22:46:10 < Sync> you can just dissolve it
2015-11-07T22:50:01 < Sync> they use cots
2015-11-07T22:50:19 < Sync> but if you look at ftdi fakes you realize that even ASICs do not protect you
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2015-11-07T22:53:32 < englishman> R2COM: saleaes besides old logic8 have firmware and protection etc. but logic8 is empty, firmware is flashed when you connect to it. or something
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2015-11-07T22:54:02 < Tectu> one word:  PICKIT   -__-
2015-11-07T22:54:15 < jpa-> pickit2 is nice, i use it to flash avr's :)
2015-11-07T22:54:23 < Tectu> LOL
2015-11-07T22:54:30 < Tectu> it also did logic analyzer, no?
2015-11-07T22:54:39 < jpa-> at 1kHz or something yeah :D
2015-11-07T22:58:00 < upgrdman_> anyone recall what the stm32 uart periph speed limit is? like cpu clock / 16 ?
2015-11-07T22:58:12 < upgrdman_> s/speed/baud rate
2015-11-07T22:59:39 < jpa-> IIRC it can go to /8 mode also or something
2015-11-07T22:59:50 < jpa-> and not from cpu clock, but peripheral clock
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2015-11-07T23:00:36 < upgrdman_> ah, k
2015-11-07T23:00:39 < mtbg> hi
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2015-11-07T23:21:56 < Getty> ok, THAT is seriously evil: http://9gag.com/gag/aRVGKxB
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2015-11-07T23:30:38 < karlp> upgrdman: there's two modes too, you can turn down the oversampling to get more speed at the risk of higher error rates too
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2015-11-07T23:39:14 < karlp> Getty: not sure I understand why you say "evil"?
2015-11-07T23:40:44 < Getty> karlp: well at first, it is for sure not safe if they all look when passing by ;) and secondary, of course, the people passing by get a bad feeling for not owning this ;)
2015-11-07T23:41:15 < Getty> the only more evil thing would be using this truck to transport hookers ;-)
2015-11-07T23:42:22 < karlp> Nepho: so, in your big dump of ada, you had already said you knew where it crashed, but not why, did you think perhaps it might be useful to tell us where it crashed? or was the troll^h^h^h^htest whether we could work out where it was crashing form the paste alone?
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2015-11-07T23:50:09 < karlp> Tectu: no xilinx nothing on old logic8s, weren't you paying attention to jpa?
2015-11-07T23:50:53 < karlp> Getty: I think we have different interpretations of the word evil, and the word safe.
2015-11-07T23:51:05 < Tectu> Getty, it´s called marketing
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2015-11-07T23:51:26 < Tectu> karlp, yeah, right
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2015-11-07T23:51:43 < Getty> Tectu: i would make a bet thats illegal in germany at least, but we are most strict ;)
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2015-11-07T23:56:07 < Nepho> karlp: I don't get what you're trying to say?
2015-11-07T23:56:30 < karlp> you pasted a big blob of ada and said, "this doesn't work"
2015-11-07T23:56:56 < karlp> and... what are we supposed to do?  I remember from earlier in the day/week that you had got it down to a line that didnt' work, care to share that detail with us?
2015-11-07T23:57:00 < karlp> what toolchain are you using?
2015-11-07T23:57:12 < karlp> do you have an objdump of your compiled binary?
2015-11-07T23:57:14 < Sync> Getty: it is not illegal at all in ermany
2015-11-07T23:57:29 < karlp> is it perchance attemtping to invoke something illegal for your target?
2015-11-07T23:57:43 < karlp> jpa pointed you to a _very_ useful script for diagnosing hardfaults on cortex-m
2015-11-07T23:57:44 < Getty> Sync: it isn't? damn :)
2015-11-07T23:57:45 < Nepho> What? First of all it isn't big, okay it isn't a self contained code snippet that you can run, but it's honestly not big. Second of all I explained the problem. Then I stated why I couldn't give you the exact reason of the crash since I'm a newb using the stm32 and couldn't get any form of output from gdb except a "at start_rom()".
2015-11-07T23:57:54 < karlp> did it say what the exact fault was?
2015-11-07T23:58:05 < Nepho> And also I could identify the exact spot of the crash, which should be enough I guess :v
2015-11-07T23:58:11 < Nepho> I also identified the problem
2015-11-07T23:58:34 < karlp> nepho, so what line in your paste was the crash on?
2015-11-07T23:58:37 < Nepho> I can actually generate numbers way bigger than I thought.
2015-11-07T23:59:13 < Nepho> karlp: line 51-52, it's written but I guess I should have stated it here too
2015-11-07T23:59:22 < Nepho> it's whenever I call my function get_random
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2015-11-07T23:59:56 < Nepho> I'm now 95% sure this is because I get past beyond the maximum value of my integer
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2015-11-08T02:50:49 < Laurenceb__> sup trollz
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2015-11-08T03:33:33 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-11-08T03:42:32 < kakimir> bond's chick had really nice boobs
2015-11-08T03:42:44 < kakimir> also ass was good
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2015-11-08T04:12:26 < kakimir> propably not
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2015-11-08T04:23:17 < upgrdman> lol at the end  http://imgur.com/a/CYdAO
2015-11-08T04:30:19 < upgrdman> anyone here know of a good chemical for removing hard water deposites from glass?
2015-11-08T04:31:50 < kakimir> yes
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2015-11-08T04:33:11 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bicarbonate
2015-11-08T04:35:43 < upgrdman> really?
2015-11-08T04:40:51 < kakimir> it removes many stuff I think
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2015-11-08T04:54:09 < upgrdman> would h2o2 be good for cleaning?
2015-11-08T04:54:20 < upgrdman> i have some 35% h2o2 :)
2015-11-08T04:54:39 < upgrdman> i know
2015-11-08T04:55:11 < upgrdman> lol. watered down acetone
2015-11-08T04:55:32 < upgrdman> tapt?
2015-11-08T04:56:04 < upgrdman> so acetone and h2o2 react violently?
2015-11-08T04:57:33 < upgrdman> ok so using baking soda to remove hard water deposite... how? make a paste and rub it on the glass?
2015-11-08T05:19:00 < upgrdman> flyback, just tried a paste of baking soda and dawn soap. let it sit on my shower doors for 2 minutes, the wiped. didn't help. scrubed a bit, no change.
2015-11-08T05:25:18 < upgrdman> guess i could buy some vinegar and see if that works. some fuckers in ##fpga said it would
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2015-11-08T05:28:00 < upgrdman> looks like malamine foam "erasers" might works too.
2015-11-08T05:28:01 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-11-08T05:32:43 < ReadError> upgrdman: CLR?
2015-11-08T05:33:00 < upgrdman> tried it years ago
2015-11-08T05:33:06 < upgrdman> it was ok, but nothing special
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2015-11-08T05:58:28 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: bicarbonate of soda and warm vinegar 1:1.  Let it fix and wipe gently.  Used it to clean scale off kitchen taps, works like a charm.
2015-11-08T05:58:34 < Roklobsta> fix->mix
2015-11-08T05:59:42 < Roklobsta> mix will of course fizz up.  like your year 5 volcano project.
2015-11-08T06:00:30 < Roklobsta> pile on some extra bicarb to act as a soft abrasive
2015-11-08T06:01:05 < Roklobsta> white vinegar is fine, no need to use anything else.
2015-11-08T06:02:23 < Roklobsta> saw an article recently summing up most cleaner product.  Throw them out and use bicarb and vinegar in most cases/
2015-11-08T06:04:08 < Roklobsta> "Make glasses sparkle: Put one cup of vinegar in the bottom of your dishwasher before you run the cycle. After you run the dishwasher, your glassware shouldn't be cloudy."
2015-11-08T06:04:31 < Roklobsta> etc.  http://www.earth911.com/living-well-being/health/cleaning-vinegar-baking-soda-lemon/
2015-11-08T06:04:39 < Roklobsta> that's not very SRM32 though.
2015-11-08T06:04:40 < Roklobsta> STM
2015-11-08T06:05:38 < aandrew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/usb-killer--2#/story
2015-11-08T06:07:27 < dongs> again?
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2015-11-08T06:28:57 < englishman> Dongs, looks like your other favourite drone project the dragonfly has admitted to having no money
2015-11-08T06:43:35 < dongs> heh
2015-11-08T06:43:51 < dongs> that gatech one?
2015-11-08T06:43:52 < dongs> or wahtever
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2015-11-08T07:00:58 < bloated> http://www.stoneracoustics.com/gallery
2015-11-08T07:01:39 < dongs> literally stoner?
2015-11-08T07:10:28 < jadew> https://sensualizarte.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/arthur-berzinsh-60.jpg
2015-11-08T07:12:56 < jadew> speaking of audio, I want to build synthesizer for a midi keyboard
2015-11-08T07:13:51 < jadew> I wonder how hard it will be to mix the various audio samples
2015-11-08T07:16:56 < ReadError> dongs recomendations on pcb cleaning?
2015-11-08T07:17:21 < jadew> I heard freon works magic
2015-11-08T07:17:38 < dongs> i duno i use jappu flux cleaner
2015-11-08T07:17:51 < ReadError> thats just for huffin jadew
2015-11-08T07:17:56 < ReadError> wouldnt waste it on cleaning
2015-11-08T07:18:10 < ReadError> dongs ultrasonic or just spray?
2015-11-08T07:18:13 < dongs> spray
2015-11-08T07:21:31 < dongs> englishman: no mention of zano in that article
2015-11-08T07:21:45 < bloated> I would have said Reubens but she's not curvy enough.
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2015-11-08T07:37:42 < dongs> < aandrew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/usb-killer--2#/story
2015-11-08T07:37:46 < dongs> how do you know if your usb killer is DOA
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2015-11-08T07:42:01 < ReadError> Compromising photos – Your wife is cleaning an apartment one day and finds a USB drive full of photos you would rather her not to see. It's only a matter of seconds before she gets to the computer to insert the stick; however, you act faster, and use your USB Killer before she arrives. The USB drive is broken and unusable now.
2015-11-08T07:45:18 < englishman> flyback shopping at canuck electronic store?
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2015-11-08T08:06:08  * upgrdman farts
2015-11-08T08:06:48 < upgrdman> nice DIY colonoscopy camera, flyback
2015-11-08T08:13:49 < upgrdman> flyback, do you have one
2015-11-08T08:13:56 < Laurenceb__> I don't get why everyone complains about tar sand oil extraction
2015-11-08T08:14:06 < upgrdman> i wonder how well it would be for looking into walls, since the LEDs are probably dim as fuck
2015-11-08T08:14:12 < Laurenceb__> it just cleans up all that pollution leaving nice clean sand
2015-11-08T08:14:14 < Laurenceb__>  /troll
2015-11-08T08:14:30 < bloated> maybe it does
2015-11-08T08:14:39 < bloated> don't they extract the oil using superheated steam ?
2015-11-08T08:14:45 < bloated> that's like steam-cleaning the sand.
2015-11-08T08:15:02 < Laurenceb__> environmentally friendly see
2015-11-08T08:15:08 < Laurenceb__> epic troll tiem
2015-11-08T08:16:01 < upgrdman> you dont have $12 laying around?
2015-11-08T08:16:33 < bloated> this makes me wonder if doctors use colonoscopes to fix blocked toilets
2015-11-08T08:16:39 < upgrdman> for those super long intestines
2015-11-08T08:16:44 < bloated> I hope they wash them before returning to the hospital if they do.
2015-11-08T08:17:11 < upgrdman> Magnum(tm)
2015-11-08T08:20:26 < ReadError> why do conversations with flyback always endup with the butthole
2015-11-08T08:20:49 < upgrdman> end up at the posterior
2015-11-08T08:22:13 < upgrdman> did you loose a dildo in there? remember: flared bases!
2015-11-08T08:22:47 < bloated> its probably a mouse with a poor sense of direction
2015-11-08T08:23:09 < bloated> or a squirrel that got stuck while hiding acorns
2015-11-08T08:24:04 < upgrdman> buttcorn
2015-11-08T08:24:56 < upgrdman> :\
2015-11-08T08:25:09 < bloated> was that worse than the time you fell off your bike ?
2015-11-08T08:26:59 < Rob235> why are leds so hard to control... :P
2015-11-08T08:27:10 < upgrdman> theyre not
2015-11-08T08:27:28 < upgrdman> the guys in ##arduino can help you with all of your LED needs
2015-11-08T08:28:09 < Rob235> still can't get the ws2812b's to work, gotta wait on a logic analyzer.  so I'm taking a break and got the TLC5947 working, why cant everything be that simple
2015-11-08T08:29:47 < dongs> I decided to take off, and much to my surprise it crashed, the flight experience ended in less then 4 seconds, zano was just uncontrollable, it appeared to have a mind of its own!
2015-11-08T08:29:50 < dongs> The PCB board is way too fragile, or at least the expectation is way below, can you please provide crash test results you had run before shipping it out?
2015-11-08T08:29:54 < dongs> lulz
2015-11-08T08:31:27 < ReadError> doesnt it need to fly to crash?
2015-11-08T08:32:11 < dongs> it flew for 4 sedconds
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2015-11-08T08:46:19 < Laurenceb__> thats a new record
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2015-11-08T09:32:48 < Laurenceb__> I'll just leave this here
2015-11-08T09:32:51 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/TAAOfficial/comments/2qn1gj/i_am_the_amazing_atheist_ama/cn7lmec
2015-11-08T09:33:38 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/TAAOfficial/comments/2qn1gj/i_am_the_amazing_atheist_ama/cn7lst4
2015-11-08T09:36:22 < Laurenceb__> worst comeback ever
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2015-11-08T09:46:32 < Roklobsta> they shoulda used teflon PCB's with 2oz copper.
2015-11-08T09:46:55 < Roklobsta> i wonder, can one get carbon fibre pcbs?
2015-11-08T10:02:12 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-11-08T10:02:20 < Laurenceb__> CF tube exists you know
2015-11-08T10:03:13 < bloated> carbon fiber pcbs will make excellent filters
2015-11-08T10:03:17 < bloated> http://img.banggood.com/thumb/water/oaupload/banggood/images/A4/77/d2aa1974-4c3d-483a-8fe2-d50313ff9621.jpg
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2015-11-08T10:28:43 < dongs> Fashion TV 4K has started on 4120 H, S2/8P SR 29720, FEC 5/6
2015-11-08T10:28:50 < dongs> finally a reason to get cband dish setup
2015-11-08T10:31:57 < upgrdman> ? is that open (unencrypted) sat tv?
2015-11-08T10:32:06 < dongs> ya
2015-11-08T10:36:02 < dongs> everything in my area fucking rusts
2015-11-08T10:36:10 < dongs> like within few months
2015-11-08T10:36:20 < dongs> so my last cband dish fucking rusted through
2015-11-08T10:36:31 < ReadError> http://www2.ezbbs.net/19/tvrojp/ lol
2015-11-08T10:36:36 < dongs> yes
2015-11-08T10:36:37 < ReadError> American Forces Network on 12670 V, PowerVu, SR 28000, FEC 3/4
2015-11-08T10:36:39 < dongs> thats hwere its from
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2015-11-08T10:37:20 < dongs> DoDNEWS
2015-11-08T10:37:42 < ReadError> yea wtf is this shit
2015-11-08T10:39:01 < Fleck> usually everything rusts faster if living near-sea/ocean
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2015-11-08T10:39:55 < dongs> right but this stuff got completely rekt
2015-11-08T10:40:21 < dongs> that japbbs is a nice echo chamber
2015-11-08T10:40:31 < dongs> just one jap posting, probly the only one who wcan receive sattv
2015-11-08T10:40:54 < dongs> the site that created it ooriginally is dead already.
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2015-11-08T14:47:24 < Laurenceb__> today I learn a new term, rhomboid spasm
2015-11-08T14:47:31 < Laurenceb__> fuuuuukkkkkkkk
2015-11-08T14:47:49  * Laurenceb__ takes more painkillers
2015-11-08T14:49:23 < dongs> zanospasm
2015-11-08T14:53:44 < Laurenceb__> feels like a zano slammed into my back
2015-11-08T14:56:00 < jadew> that reminds me, I have to change my chair
2015-11-08T14:56:14 < dongs> before it explodes the spring+piston into your ass?
2015-11-08T14:57:23 < jadew> it's not that kind of chair
2015-11-08T14:58:03 < jadew> and that only happened like... once
2015-11-08T14:58:04 < jadew> right?
2015-11-08T14:58:28 < dongs> nah it happened more htan once
2015-11-08T14:59:00 < jadew> same type of chair?
2015-11-08T14:59:26 < dongs> google gas spring chair explosion
2015-11-08T14:59:49 < Laurenceb__> expecting lulz and gore
2015-11-08T15:00:02 < jadew> "Boy Killed Anally"
2015-11-08T15:00:10 < dongs> The fact that three similar incidents were reported at a hospital in the last month alone, suggests an influx of malfunctioning chairs. Back in 2007, such a chair propelled a metal part into the rear of a 68-year-old man, who suffered a severe wound but survived.
2015-11-08T15:00:14 < dongs> lo
2015-11-08T15:00:15 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2015-11-08T15:00:29 < jadew> damn
2015-11-08T15:00:34 < Laurenceb__> need videos of this
2015-11-08T15:00:43 < jadew> no thanks!
2015-11-08T15:00:46 < dongs> http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/05/14/chair-maims-girl-by-anal-penetration/
2015-11-08T15:00:57 < dongs> apparently a common thing in china
2015-11-08T15:01:36 < Laurenceb__> take a seat over there takes on a whole new meaning
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2015-11-08T15:01:48 < Laurenceb__> a *hole* new meaning
2015-11-08T15:01:54 < dongs> more like take  a shit over tehre
2015-11-08T15:02:15 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=342_1364215538 like this
2015-11-08T15:02:24 < jadew> after you take a sit over there, shit will just fall off
2015-11-08T15:03:43 < jadew> dongs, that looks staged
2015-11-08T15:03:51 < jadew> why would that creep be filming otherwise
2015-11-08T15:03:52 < dongs> jadew, that video is like years old
2015-11-08T15:03:59 < dongs> so no idea
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2015-11-08T15:04:10 < dongs> its been retweeted so many times its full of encoding artifacts
2015-11-08T15:04:17 < dongs> so hard 2 tell legitimacy
2015-11-08T15:04:25 < Laurenceb__> top comment
2015-11-08T15:04:41 < jadew> Laurenceb__, yeah, funny :)
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2015-11-08T16:17:07 < Tectu> can anybody in here read chinese?
2015-11-08T16:22:23 < Fleck> isn't there app for that Tectu? :D
2015-11-08T16:22:31 < Fleck> chinese goggles or smthn like that
2015-11-08T16:23:06 < Tectu> well, either those people don´t know their chinese (write shit) or the google translate for chinese->english sucks
2015-11-08T16:23:10 < Tectu> I wouldn´t ask otherwise :D
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2015-11-08T18:14:49 < PaulFertser> What is the channel for the RC helis fans?
2015-11-08T18:16:21 < PaulFertser> Not that I'm a fan, I now know helis suck. My brand-new v977 stopped properly controlling pitch after few flies, feels like a faulty potentiometer inside servo :/
2015-11-08T18:20:26 < Getty> i think you are fine here ......
2015-11-08T18:20:33 < Getty> given you use a stm32 as core ;)
2015-11-08T18:42:21 < PaulFertser> Getty: no, I do not use stm32 for that.
2015-11-08T18:43:04 < PaulFertser> I'd rather want to understand how 3-axis toy coaxial shit gets stabilised. My friend got one and I'd like to get it flying just for the kicks. But it doesn't want to self-balance.
2015-11-08T18:43:15 < PaulFertser> s/3-axis/3-channel/
2015-11-08T18:43:35 < Getty> yeah there must be an IRC where they gather ;) probably ;)
2015-11-08T18:43:51 < Getty> but its like crazy how many blog posts and stuff you find about this
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2015-11-08T18:50:34 < Lt_Lemming> https://goo.gl/photos/YhBvy3HJK4zG7w9c8 <--- new STM32 powered toy :-P
2015-11-08T18:50:54 < Lt_Lemming> PaulFertser, diy or off the shelf?
2015-11-08T18:53:17 < Rob235> anyone have any experience with ws2812b led strips?
2015-11-08T18:56:07 < Sync> PaulFertser: there is a gyro that stabilizes the tail
2015-11-08T18:56:14 < Sync> but apart from that you gotta make it stable
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2015-11-08T18:56:45 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: both off-the-shelf
2015-11-08T18:57:33 < PaulFertser> Sync: we're are talking about 3-channel here, right? What do you make "I gotta make it stable", it got not swashplate, it's a toy, not real heli.
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2015-11-08T18:58:12 < Sync> yup
2015-11-08T18:58:22 < Sync> one of mine also has no swashplate
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2015-11-08T18:59:18 < Lt_Lemming> superbia... this is not an RPi channel really...
2015-11-08T18:59:19 < PaulFertser> Sync: but it tends to glide away, it doesn't stabilise, I wonder how it can be that way.
2015-11-08T19:00:22 < Sync> if it drifts around Z the gyro has drift
2015-11-08T19:01:35 < Lt_Lemming> if it's 3 channel it'll be passively stabilised, not actively
2015-11-08T19:01:51 < Lt_Lemming> it means the stabilisation isn't perfectly aligned
2015-11-08T19:02:23 < PaulFertser> Sync: I'm talking about shit like this: http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-94582326164583/syma-s107c-3-channel-coaxial-mini-metal-spy-cam-helicopter-black-1.jpg
2015-11-08T19:02:38 < Sync> oh those shits
2015-11-08T19:02:45 < Lt_Lemming> yes, they're passively stabilised
2015-11-08T19:02:48 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-08T19:02:56 < Lt_Lemming> it's done through mechanical systems using that flybar on top
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2015-11-08T19:03:10 < PaulFertser> So why it can refuse to hover?
2015-11-08T19:03:24 < Lt_Lemming> because they're built down to a price and not up to a quality
2015-11-08T19:03:49 < PaulFertser> Right, that's obvious. But how it can not hoover by the gravity aligning it vertically?
2015-11-08T19:04:07 < Lt_Lemming> because the stabilisation mechanism is not perfectly aligned
2015-11-08T19:04:11 < Lt_Lemming> like I already said
2015-11-08T19:04:37 < PaulFertser> Do you mean flybar imbalance?
2015-11-08T19:05:03 < Lt_Lemming> or pushrod length, or blade balance, or shaft straightness or canted mechanism
2015-11-08T19:05:06 < Lt_Lemming> any number of things
2015-11-08T19:06:19 < jubatus> a screen that's described as "JLX16032C-1 LCD Screen Display Module Matrix 160*32 w/Chinese Word Stock" has only chinese characters in ROM or chinese in addition to english ?
2015-11-08T19:06:32 < Lt_Lemming> jubatus, perhaps ask the supplier?
2015-11-08T19:07:16 < Lt_Lemming> superbia, try ##raspberrypi
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2015-11-08T19:07:51 < Lt_Lemming> single #, #raspberrypi even
2015-11-08T19:08:25 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: wouldn't imbalance give visible vibrations?
2015-11-08T19:08:39 < PaulFertser> (and feelable when you hold it in your hand)
2015-11-08T19:09:07 < Lt_Lemming> I listed all the options, it could be any or all of them PaulFertser
2015-11-08T19:09:17 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: can it be that flybar is too light?
2015-11-08T19:09:30 < Lt_Lemming> possibly, or too heavy
2015-11-08T19:09:55 < Lt_Lemming> those mechanical systems need to be very finely tuned to work right, you're not going to get that in a $50 toy from china
2015-11-08T19:10:17 < PaulFertser> usually that 3-channel shift hovers nicely, no matter how cheap it is.
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2015-11-08T19:23:02 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, how is it drifting? to the right? left? forward? backward?
2015-11-08T19:23:10 < upgrdman> raw?
2015-11-08T19:23:14 < upgrdman> yaw*
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2015-11-08T19:23:38 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: it can drift to any direction, once it starts.
2015-11-08T19:23:56 < upgrdman> this isnt from wind, right?
2015-11-08T19:23:59 < PaulFertser> Right
2015-11-08T19:24:31 < upgrdman> hmm. i'd check for something loose/wobbly around the head
2015-11-08T19:24:43 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I expected 3-channel coaxial toys to be pretty stable no matter how bad quality they are, so I'm now puzzled.
2015-11-08T19:25:08 < upgrdman> theyre usually very stable, but if made poorly, can be super sloppy
2015-11-08T19:26:47 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: can you believe it, got my first cp heli yesterday and can't fly it now due to bad servo... But I managed to hover in small kitchen, even without prior sim training. That's in "3g" mode of course (it also has some 6g where it tries to behave like a 45 degrees flybar toys but I didn't try at all).
2015-11-08T19:28:29 < upgrdman> bummer
2015-11-08T19:29:02 < upgrdman> i often seem to get fucked over the first time i buy something
2015-11-08T19:29:36 < upgrdman> my first oscope had a bad probe. my first lcr meter was intermittent. etc.
2015-11-08T19:30:00 < upgrdman> my first apple laptop had a bad keyboard
2015-11-08T19:30:01 < PaulFertser> And my fp heli can't fly either, feels like tail motor is too weak.
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2015-11-08T19:32:39 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: if I could fly inverted I'd still have fun because that servo works nicely in the inverted range, heh.
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2015-11-08T19:33:23 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-08T19:33:32 < upgrdman> maybe a stripped output hear
2015-11-08T19:33:34 < upgrdman> gear*
2015-11-08T19:33:36 < PaulFertser> No
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2015-11-08T19:35:49 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: when I increase the positive pitch, it goes higher, higher, then stops (or starts stuttering), if I push it up manually it passes the bad spot and works properly up there.
2015-11-08T19:36:52 < upgrdman> ya sounds like a broken tooth
2015-11-08T19:36:58 < upgrdman> very common
2015-11-08T19:38:22 < upgrdman> if they sell replacement part, they might sell a servo gear set
2015-11-08T19:39:03 < upgrdman> bbl
2015-11-08T19:39:48 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: it's ~100-size tiny shit, nobody will change servo gearsets there i think :)
2015-11-08T19:41:37 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: you're right! It's a brooken gear tooth inside servo!
2015-11-08T19:41:54 < PaulFertser> Sorry for hesitating in trusting you on this one ;)
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2015-11-08T20:27:36 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, its cool. i'd feel bad if i got it wrong. i worked in the rc hobby industry for 10 years.
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2015-11-08T21:16:13 < kakimir> I wonder how batteries are connected to devices that have some capacitance in supply line
2015-11-08T21:17:24 < kakimir> just connect it?
2015-11-08T21:18:07 < kakimir> I'm referring to electric smoke power supply
2015-11-08T21:18:10 < kakimir> in this case
2015-11-08T21:18:33 < kakimir> I wonder if I killed it when I connected battery back and it sparked
2015-11-08T21:21:15 < kakimir> just wondering if they power up the board via resistor while battery is being connected
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2015-11-08T21:43:22 < kakimir> I dont see too much inductance in it
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2015-11-08T21:43:51 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-08T21:44:27 < kakimir> pair of paraller 18650 connected in one end of pcb
2015-11-08T21:44:46 < kakimir> uncle mtbg !
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2015-11-08T22:12:43 < ReadError> dongs I know its early still, but if you are having trouble selecting my xmas gift, i would really like this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/scrote-n-tote-the-satchel-of-life#/
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2015-11-08T22:23:38  * mitrax wants one too
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2015-11-09T01:14:06 < kakimir> is there a such buffer in
2015-11-09T01:14:12 < kakimir> cortex-m3
2015-11-09T01:14:26 < dongs> http://capecod.craigslist.org/ctd/5279941744.html lol
2015-11-09T01:14:34 < kakimir> that you should read values back if you wanted them to change immiditelly
2015-11-09T01:14:49 < kakimir> or is it M3<
2015-11-09T01:15:18 < dongs> ReadError: why the fuck is there jap in that campaign when its from canada
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2015-11-09T01:37:55 < Laurenceb__> cuz diversity
2015-11-09T01:38:15 < Laurenceb__> holy shit that vehicle needs pimping
2015-11-09T01:38:29 < Laurenceb__> dunno if there is enough thickness of steel sheet tho :-/
2015-11-09T01:40:56 < Laurenceb__> I need to get into vehicle mods
2015-11-09T01:41:04 < Laurenceb__> but then I'd get no other word done :-S
2015-11-09T01:41:22  * Laurenceb__ wants to build a CNG turbodiesel with opensource ECU and CF tanks
2015-11-09T01:42:05 < BrainDamage> so you can blame stallman when you crash
2015-11-09T01:42:34 < Laurenceb__> a low cost and pollution vehicle that doesnt suck (unlike Tesla)
2015-11-09T01:42:54 < Laurenceb__> inb4 fracking
2015-11-09T01:43:17 < Laurenceb__> fracking just exfoliates the rock, getting rid of all that nasty gas
2015-11-09T01:47:15 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Jewcat.jpg
2015-11-09T01:47:37 < Laurenceb__> wut https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Cpu_cat_intel.jpg
2015-11-09T01:53:57 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: please add valve control and create diy 2stroke diesel
2015-11-09T01:54:28 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-11-09T01:54:33 < Sync> pfft 2 stroke diesel
2015-11-09T01:54:50 < Laurenceb__> tricky with an off the shelf 4 stroke
2015-11-09T01:54:50 < Sync> I'd like to have one of those königsegg valve actuators
2015-11-09T01:54:54 < Laurenceb__> if not impossible
2015-11-09T01:55:04 < kakimir> why?
2015-11-09T01:55:16 < kakimir> create custom cylinder head
2015-11-09T01:55:22 < Laurenceb__> there are some weird engines like fiat twinair
2015-11-09T01:55:25 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-11-09T01:55:30 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats easy to do
2015-11-09T01:55:33 < Laurenceb__>  /sarc
2015-11-09T01:55:37 < kakimir> and inexpensives
2015-11-09T01:55:40 < Laurenceb__> I was thinking something simple
2015-11-09T01:55:51 < Laurenceb__> ESC + Gas regulator and injectors
2015-11-09T01:56:45 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster
2015-11-09T01:57:25 < Laurenceb__> erm I mean Renault
2015-11-09T01:57:32 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-11-09T01:57:47 < Sync> Laurenceb__ plz
2015-11-09T01:57:51 < Sync> fiat twinair is aids
2015-11-09T01:58:05 < kakimir> BrainDamage: old but edgy
2015-11-09T01:58:22 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats not what I meant
2015-11-09T01:58:47 < Laurenceb__> http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/renault-reveals-lightweight-two-stroke-diesel-and-more-future-tech
2015-11-09T01:58:50 < Laurenceb__> ^that
2015-11-09T01:59:52 < Sync> I'd rather have the skyaktiv tdi
2015-11-09T02:00:07 < Sync> because skyactiv skyactifies
2015-11-09T02:01:04 < kakimir> http://www.aumet.fi/index.php
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2015-11-09T02:01:25 < Laurenceb__> in UK at least, CNG would be a fraction of the cost of diesel
2015-11-09T02:01:55 < Laurenceb__> and you get massive range
2015-11-09T02:02:08 < Sync> I'd TBI cng a gasser
2015-11-09T02:02:09 < kakimir> there you have 2stroke diesel killing 4stroke gasoline engine
2015-11-09T02:03:05 < Laurenceb__> cng works well in diesel as it has very high octane number
2015-11-09T02:03:15 < Laurenceb__> so you can get higher efficiency with a diesel conversion
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2015-11-09T02:03:55 < kakimir> how that engine works is to have on piston for air compression + turbocharger in series
2015-11-09T02:04:39 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-11-09T02:05:08 < Sync> kinda reminds me of those 5 cycle things
2015-11-09T02:05:16 < kakimir> burns fuel so much better that you need just <1kbar fuel injection
2015-11-09T02:05:20 < kakimir> for euro 6
2015-11-09T02:05:28 < kakimir> without aftertreatment of course
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2015-11-09T02:08:23 < kakimir> decrease of fuel pressure itself causes efficiency to go up for... 5-10% iirc?
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2015-11-09T02:26:49 < Sync> active oil pressure regulation also bumps it up a few %
2015-11-09T02:27:26 < kakimir> perfect engine
2015-11-09T02:29:05 < kakimir> from early 2000's
2015-11-09T02:29:19 < kakimir> shows how little car manufacturers care
2015-11-09T02:29:35 < Sync> well, it's not about how little they care
2015-11-09T02:29:41 < Sync> but about what they can make cheap and reliable
2015-11-09T02:29:50 < Sync> a lot of engines are awesome when you make 10
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2015-11-09T03:31:03 < upgrdman> god damn it. even in 2015 so much shit doesn't do high dpi in windows. xilinx ise, lattice diamond, altium designer... wtf.
2015-11-09T03:31:20 < upgrdman> diamond and altium think they do, but fuck it up badly.
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2015-11-09T03:42:37 < dongs> i have zero issues with altium at high dpi
2015-11-09T03:42:43 < dongs> what crack are you smoking
2015-11-09T03:46:13 < upgrdman> you're 28" 4k, right? that's not high dpi
2015-11-09T03:46:18 < dongs> 24"
2015-11-09T03:46:19 < kakimir> Sync: if you wanted realiable engine it was WWII era design
2015-11-09T03:46:23 < kakimir> with iron block
2015-11-09T03:46:29 < dongs> then what the fuck are you complaining about?
2015-11-09T03:46:31 < upgrdman> the problem is many of the icons are small as fuck, cause only like half are rendered at the right size
2015-11-09T03:46:34 < dongs> do you ahvce a 15" 4k monitor?
2015-11-09T03:46:45 < upgrdman> 15" 2880x1800
2015-11-09T03:46:58 < dongs> oh youre a macfaggot
2015-11-09T03:47:05 < upgrdman> soon to be a surface bro
2015-11-09T03:47:11 < upgrdman> with is like 13" 3000x2000 iirc
2015-11-09T03:47:14 < dongs> ever thourght this was because your mac windows emulator sucks?????????????????
2015-11-09T03:47:24 < upgrdman> that's not the issue
2015-11-09T03:47:31 < upgrdman> its not an emulation artifact
2015-11-09T03:47:34 < Sync> kakimir: reliable engines are not made in ww2
2015-11-09T03:47:51 < Sync> same screen as the dixel
2015-11-09T03:48:16 < dongs> upgrdman: then how come i can use altidong on surface bro just fine
2015-11-09T03:48:18 < upgrdman> side note, fucking microsoft. delaying release of the top-of-the-line surface bro 4 until january 20th
2015-11-09T03:48:45 < upgrdman> dongs, i can use it fine too. but it's half-baked
2015-11-09T03:48:53 < dongs> it snot
2015-11-09T03:48:59 < upgrdman> some icons are too small
2015-11-09T03:49:07 < upgrdman> some tabs aren't sized properly for the text in them
2015-11-09T03:49:08 < upgrdman> etc.
2015-11-09T03:49:12 < upgrdman> one sec, i'll screenshit it
2015-11-09T03:49:18 < kakimir> Sync: nor today
2015-11-09T03:49:19 < dongs> plz do
2015-11-09T03:49:22 < dongs> cuz i have no some issues.
2015-11-09T03:49:30 < kakimir> *nether
2015-11-09T03:50:08 < dongs> eroewejeroiu
2015-11-09T03:50:14 < dongs> no such issues
2015-11-09T03:52:05 < Sync> that's one of the reasons why you hate yourself when machining reba
2015-11-09T03:52:12 < Sync> fuk
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2015-11-09T03:52:27 < Sync> kakimir: todays engines are pretty good
2015-11-09T03:52:44 < Sync> if you want an iron block, get something from the 90s
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2015-11-09T03:55:54 < upgrdman> dongs, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/altium_high_dpi_sucks.png
2015-11-09T03:59:54 < dongs> um
2015-11-09T03:59:55 < dongs> upgrdman:
2015-11-09T03:59:55 < dongs> no.
2015-11-09T04:00:06 < dongs> theyt look same size here.
2015-11-09T04:00:10 < dongs> your shit is fucked up
2015-11-09T04:00:23 < upgrdman> screenshit yours plz
2015-11-09T04:00:34 < dongs> doing no
2015-11-09T04:00:37 < upgrdman> k
2015-11-09T04:00:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1S7UWWQ.png
2015-11-09T04:00:50 < dongs> correctly sized
2015-11-09T04:01:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cyU481Z.png
2015-11-09T04:01:45 < dongs> file icons too
2015-11-09T04:02:33 < upgrdman> that is NOT high dpi
2015-11-09T04:02:41 < upgrdman> your running with no scaling
2015-11-09T04:02:56 < dongs> ??????????????????????
2015-11-09T04:03:06 < upgrdman> the whole point of high dpi is that you no longer have to do stupid like have have fonts where shit is 1 pixel thick
2015-11-09T04:03:23 < upgrdman> look at how many pixels my windows task bar is
2015-11-09T04:03:30 < dongs> bro, I *WANT* my fonts 1 pixel thick, and no, I'm running 125% scaling.
2015-11-09T04:03:32 < upgrdman> look at how many pixels your task bar is
2015-11-09T04:04:00 < upgrdman> that fine, but at 125% you wont notice much of the fuck ups because the change is small
2015-11-09T04:04:24 < dongs> if I wanted my shit to look like a fucking mac, i'd just use a mac
2015-11-09T04:04:52 < dongs> whats the fucking point of geting a 4k dispaly if youre gonna run in "virtual" 1920x1080 resolution on it?
2015-11-09T04:04:58 < dongs> with evreythign 4x sharper
2015-11-09T04:05:03 < dongs> typical mac faggotry
2015-11-09T04:05:13 < upgrdman> clarity.
2015-11-09T04:05:21 < dongs> < upgrdman> faggotry
2015-11-09T04:05:21 < dongs> ftfy
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2015-11-09T04:49:06 < upgrdman> whats a good pdf reader for windows
2015-11-09T04:49:10 < upgrdman> adobe=fags
2015-11-09T04:52:02 < dongs> mpc-hc
2015-11-09T04:52:53 < dongs> last usable winamp was like
2015-11-09T04:53:07 < dongs> 2.6 or something
2015-11-09T04:53:11 < dongs> its huge bloated garbage
2015-11-09T04:53:26 < dongs> its just a single .exe
2015-11-09T04:53:28 < dongs> so yes
2015-11-09T04:53:54 < dongs> no idea, i still have winamp.exe from like 2000
2015-11-09T04:57:45 < dongs> heh
2015-11-09T04:57:49 < dongs> how many gigs is it
2015-11-09T04:58:03 < dongs> did it offer to install opera
2015-11-09T04:58:06 < dongs> or "sponsored items"
2015-11-09T05:00:49 < upgrdman> anyone know what kind of refresh rate eink can do? like 2fps?
2015-11-09T05:01:27 < dongs> probly worse
2015-11-09T05:03:27 < upgrdman> brb
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2015-11-09T05:04:08 < dongs> ugh
2015-11-09T05:04:10 < dongs> this spigen case is garbage
2015-11-09T05:04:12 < dongs> its huge and heavy
2015-11-09T05:04:30 < dongs> but jap shit fucking becomes flimsy and loose after just a month or two of use
2015-11-09T05:04:33 < dongs> phone case
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2015-11-09T07:26:41 < dongs> R2COM: working onit. got other shit to deal with. gonna start on camera part soon maybe
2015-11-09T07:26:49 < upgrdman> if i have an lcd that uses a connector, how would i do a silkscreen outline for the lcd? the connector silkscreen would not be appropriate to modify, but the lcd has no pads/pins so it doesn't need a pcb symbol?
2015-11-09T07:27:35 < jpa-> you can create a pcb symbol if you want anyway
2015-11-09T07:27:43 < jpa-> if you want the silkscreen, it makes sense
2015-11-09T07:27:48 < upgrdman> ok
2015-11-09T07:28:23 < jpa-> also typically you want the connector in exact position in respect to the lcd, so it may even make sense to have them both as a single component
2015-11-09T07:28:25 < dongs> upgrdman: i made mechanical layer for lcd outline
2015-11-09T07:28:31 < dongs> yeah wat jpa said
2015-11-09T07:28:43 < dongs> the connector my shit came wiht is some weird chink stuff anyway
2015-11-09T07:28:47 < dongs> so i wouldnt be using it anywehre else
2015-11-09T07:28:58 < upgrdman> k
2015-11-09T07:29:25 < dongs> made mechanical layer and even added 3d body for where lcd module would end up
2015-11-09T07:31:46 < upgrdman> anyone know if eink has "problems" other than slow/weird looking refresh? like does it wear out or burn in?
2015-11-09T07:32:23 < jpa-> it does atleast temporarily burn in if you don't do the proper waveforms
2015-11-09T07:32:36 < upgrdman> wouldnt the controller handle that?
2015-11-09T07:32:40 < jpa-> i.e. if you update to black or update to white repeatedly
2015-11-09T07:32:49 < jpa-> sure, if you use a premade controller
2015-11-09T07:33:21 < upgrdman> spi eink, so guessing it has a COG or COF controller
2015-11-09T07:33:38 < upgrdman> hmmm looks like COG  http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/E1144CS021/E1144CS021-ND/5046789
2015-11-09T07:34:40 < jpa-> yep
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2015-11-09T10:57:10 < PaulFertser> Is Karlsson-on-the-roof an internationally recognised character? What I'm puzzled about is that why if I do a search for "Karlsson tail rotor" in russian I see plenty of forum threads discussing his stabilisation system. But nothing if I do that in English. What am I missing?
2015-11-09T10:57:56 < jpa-> IIRC it is "katto kassinen" in finnish
2015-11-09T10:58:23 < jpa-> no idea what a karlsson tail rotor is, though? plastic bag? :D
2015-11-09T10:58:47 < dongs> fenestron?
2015-11-09T10:59:17 < PaulFertser> jpa-: well, he needs some way to counter the main rotational moment.
2015-11-09T11:01:51 < PaulFertser> And it's a widely discussed topic in russian. It just seems very odd to many people who read the book that Karlsson doesn't have a tail rotor and neither uses some other (coaxial etc) scheme.
2015-11-09T11:02:31 < jpa-> boy has propeller on his back? totally plausible. No tail rotor? wtf is this??
2015-11-09T11:03:59 < dongs> PaulFertser: Karlsson-on-the-roof is some swedish shit?
2015-11-09T11:04:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: yeah, but it's a very popular book in russia.
2015-11-09T11:04:59 < PaulFertser> jpa-: doesn't everybody knows that the rotation needs to be compensated somehow?
2015-11-09T11:05:08 < jpa-> AFAIK zano was inspired by karlsson
2015-11-09T11:05:10 < dongs> nobody normal, no
2015-11-09T11:05:12 < dongs> jpa-: haha
2015-11-09T11:05:13 < PaulFertser> So he doesn't constantly spin along the axis.
2015-11-09T11:05:23 < dongs> PaulFertser: doraemon has a propeller on head too
2015-11-09T11:05:31 < jpa-> PaulFertser: maybe he positions his legs so that the downwash is diverted to the side
2015-11-09T11:05:38 < dongs> http://www.palermofumetto.it/wp-content/gallery/doraemon/news_large_doraemon-nobita-takecopter.jpg
2015-11-09T11:05:48 < dongs> i've not seen any discussions (serious) about why it works
2015-11-09T11:06:24 < PaulFertser> jpa-: NOTAR system is more complicated than that...
2015-11-09T11:06:37 < jpa-> so is a helicopter :D
2015-11-09T11:06:58 < jpa-> you can't just expect to stick a BLDC in your asshole like karlsson did
2015-11-09T11:07:15 < dongs> maybe if its an inrunner.
2015-11-09T11:08:28 < PaulFertser> What seems strange is that I can find discussions on this topic in russian but not in english?
2015-11-09T11:08:48 < jpa-> now it is being discussed in english and will probably appear on google soon :)
2015-11-09T11:10:58 < dongs> http://chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/tag/tags.php?tag=%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B1%E3%82%B3%E3%83%97%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%2C%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BChttp://chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/tag/tags.php?tag=%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B1%E3%82%B3%E3%83%97%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%2C%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC
2015-11-09T11:11:04 < dongs> rofl
2015-11-09T11:11:14 < dongs> yahoo questions in japan has bunch of the shit about doraemon missing tail rotor
2015-11-09T11:11:40 < PaulFertser> LOL
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2015-11-09T11:16:08 < dongs> http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1097147265
2015-11-09T11:16:09 < dongs> haha
2015-11-09T11:16:11 < dongs> super serious
2015-11-09T11:17:14 < dongs> anyway, apparently in the mangay its explained that the device is anti-gravity, and propeller is just for show.
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2015-11-09T11:35:13 < akaWolf> dongs: I read that book, btw
2015-11-09T11:37:09 < dongs> ? doraemon?
2015-11-09T11:37:46 < akaWolf> nope. Karlson :)
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2015-11-09T11:49:02 < mitrax> say i want to be able to change the cpu clock on the fly, i will need to reset any active peripheral with the new sysclock, what about external sdram? is there a way to change the timings to match the new sysclock while preserving the sdram content? or is that dodgy?
2015-11-09T11:49:33 < jpa-> why would you need to reset peripherals?
2015-11-09T11:50:06 < jpa-> sdrams tolerate a few milliseconds without refresh, so you can probably disable sdram controller before clock change and re-enable afterwards
2015-11-09T11:50:51 < dongs> cant you write new clock shits into sdram config and then change clock?
2015-11-09T11:51:02 < dongs> eh,  iguess you probly cant update it while its enabled
2015-11-09T11:51:15 < dongs> dont reset it just disable/update/enable or somethin
2015-11-09T11:51:41 < jpa-> yeah - though even resetting sdram controller wouldn't reset sdram contents
2015-11-09T11:52:13 < jpa-> but generally you do not need to reset any peripherals when you change clock - just need to reconfigure timings
2015-11-09T11:52:13 < Taxman> mitrax: What special-case-sdram applications do you make?
2015-11-09T11:52:15 < mitrax> i assumed i needed to reset some of the peripherals since the clock peripherals are dependent on the sysclock, for baudrate and such
2015-11-09T11:52:36 < jpa-> mitrax: by "reset" do you mean "change configuration of"?
2015-11-09T11:53:04 < mitrax> jpa-: yeah that was badly worded sorry
2015-11-09T11:53:26 < dongs> mitrax: you cahnge timings same way you usually do
2015-11-09T11:53:39 < jpa-> yeah - AFAIK you can change configuration of sdram controller without affecting the sdram contents
2015-11-09T11:53:41 < dongs> find the shit that depends on sysclock, isolate it into a separate function, run it when changing clcok of your stuff.
2015-11-09T11:53:49 < jpa-> just do it within the time limit given in sdram datasheet
2015-11-09T11:54:11 < mitrax> okay thanks guys
2015-11-09T11:54:55 < karlp> Laurenceb: what part of tesla cars don't you like?
2015-11-09T11:55:05 < dongs> i can answer that!!!
2015-11-09T11:55:09 < mitrax> taxman: no special case at all :) just some board with a LCD
2015-11-09T11:55:16 < dongs> 1) outside looks 2) inside looks
2015-11-09T12:02:22 < karlp> PaulFertser: I read karlsson on the roof as a kid in australia
2015-11-09T12:02:34 < dongs> i dont recall ever reading it
2015-11-09T12:02:50 < karlp> dongs: not sure how laurenc'es open sores ECU fix the in/out looks,
2015-11-09T12:03:02 < karlp> I was presuming (dangerous!) that he had some other concerns with it.
2015-11-09T12:03:17 < karlp> speaking of boom though, we now have a tesla shop in a local mall.
2015-11-09T12:03:18 < dongs> o
2015-11-09T12:03:23 < dongs> hes making a tesla ecu?
2015-11-09T12:03:26 < dongs> doenst he have some better shit to do
2015-11-09T12:03:46 < karlp> no, he wants to make a CNG turbo with open sors ecu, to make a car that doens't suck, unlike tesla
2015-11-09T12:03:53 < karlp> I was curious what sucked so much about tesla in his book
2015-11-09T12:03:57 < dongs> ah
2015-11-09T12:04:11 < karlp> Laurenceb: STILL CURIOUS!
2015-11-09T12:04:19 < dongs> wikipedo mentions nothing about when this karlson shit was created
2015-11-09T12:04:31 < dongs> ah 1955
2015-11-09T12:04:51 < karlp> yeah, lindgren
2015-11-09T12:05:03 < karlp> who was, what, nazi sympathizer family or something?
2015-11-09T12:06:05 < karlp> hrm, can't remember, ther ewas some conspiracy drama recently about her
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2015-11-09T12:23:05 < PaulFertser> karlp: did you feel it was strange he had no tail rotor?
2015-11-09T12:26:20 < karlp> not in the least, I'm with jpa on this.  he's a kid who lives on the roof and has a propellor on his back.
2015-11-09T12:26:24 < karlp> he just flies, end of story
2015-11-09T12:27:59 < jpa-> if it was invented in japan, he probably would have a vibrating dildo-shaped propeller stuck up his ass
2015-11-09T12:28:47 < PaulFertser> karlp: not kid btw, he seems quite old
2015-11-09T12:31:08 < dongs> lol.
2015-11-09T12:31:17 < dongs> yeah im not sure wat PaulFertser is fussed about
2015-11-09T12:31:28 < dongs> i was surprised there was even any questioning of doraemon propeller
2015-11-09T12:31:30 < dongs> which is acutalyl worse
2015-11-09T12:31:32 < dongs> cuz its on your HEAD
2015-11-09T12:31:39 < dongs> so it will rip your scalp off
2015-11-09T12:31:40 < dongs> and/or head
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2015-11-09T12:37:14 < PaulFertser> dongs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_hang
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2015-11-09T12:50:21 < ReadError> dongs theres jap because I imagine scrot bags are popular in japan (or will be)
2015-11-09T13:01:41 < dongs> japs are training hard for nuclear explosion
2015-11-09T13:01:48 < dongs> so hard they even have a TV program about it
2015-11-09T13:02:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yn5Cjrn.jpg (top left = training/drill)
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2015-11-09T13:24:35 < GargantuaSauce> arent most plants in japan of the BWR design?
2015-11-09T13:24:49 < GargantuaSauce> that is a PWR diagram
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2015-11-09T13:26:27 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: this is the one in ehime, ikata or something
2015-11-09T13:26:39 < dongs> says PWR there
2015-11-09T13:26:41 < dongs> @ wikipedo
2015-11-09T13:27:19 < dongs> BWR = boiling?
2015-11-09T13:27:42 < GargantuaSauce> yeah
2015-11-09T13:29:13 < dongs> haha, if that wikipedo page is right, all the jap ones except like 2-3 are suspended
2015-11-09T13:29:32 < GargantuaSauce> yeah look at germany too
2015-11-09T13:29:33 < GargantuaSauce> the fear is real
2015-11-09T13:29:53 < dongs> haha they shut down in 2011
2015-11-09T13:29:55 < dongs> after jappuquake
2015-11-09T13:30:03 < dongs> the german ones
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2015-11-09T13:56:04 < dongs> BREAKING: Jordanian police officer shoots and kills two American soldiers at police training facility in Amman, Jordan, then commits suicide
2015-11-09T13:56:56 < claude> who cares , 3rd world Problems...
2015-11-09T13:59:21 < claude> hmm , okay... who cares , Police/Military problems
2015-11-09T13:59:45 < jpa-> you mean: "i don't care, not my problem"
2015-11-09T14:02:27 < claude> yeah . but tbh i really don't care , i read : some guys in a foregin Country got killed by someone which commited suicide afterwards. so what , happens 100 times a day , just because the two guys were 'mericans doesn't make it *BREAKING* worthy for me
2015-11-09T14:23:27 < ReadError> breaking just means new/developing
2015-11-09T14:23:29 < ReadError> not important
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2015-11-09T14:47:51 < karlp> heh, http://espressif.com/en/products/wroom/ vs http://www.aliexpress.com/item/ESP8266-ESP-WROOM-02-Remote-Wireless-Module-WIFI-to-UART-Module/32514817042.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.54.NhmMK7&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_9
2015-11-09T14:48:00 < karlp> buy those left over pre-release samples!
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2015-11-09T14:54:01 < Tectu> special client only
2015-11-09T14:54:41 < Tectu> not sure if I am special enough
2015-11-09T14:55:07 < Sync> you are swiss
2015-11-09T14:55:12 < Sync> so of course you are
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2015-11-09T15:02:28 < Taxman> mitrax: Great. what window toolkit do you use?
2015-11-09T15:04:33 < tecdroid> seems i don't really understand the can filters :(
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2015-11-09T15:14:08 < mitrax> Taxman: my own
2015-11-09T15:14:51 < Taxman> mitrax: Your own window library?
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2015-11-09T15:17:51 < Taxman> mitrax: This is great
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2015-11-09T15:22:07 < mitrax> taxman: well i wouldn't say it's great yet, but it does the job :)
2015-11-09T15:25:42 < Taxman> you use it for your embedded products?
2015-11-09T15:28:48 < mitrax> taxman: friend of mine has a small company that does electronic stuff (not consumer products, specialized devices such as benchtest, motor controls and shit) and he needs to "refresh" his products cause they feel they're from the 80s (4x20 LCD and akward human-machine interfaces)
2015-11-09T15:29:20 < mitrax> taxman: so we made a more or less generic STM32 based board with a touchscreen that we will put in many of his stuff
2015-11-09T15:29:40 < Tectu> and you didn´t think of using uGFX for that job? :P
2015-11-09T15:32:25 < ReadError> https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
2015-11-09T15:33:43 < Taxman> mitrax: Sounds great. You are self employed?
2015-11-09T15:34:15 < mitrax> Taxman: yeah
2015-11-09T15:34:42 < Taxman> mitrax: I do the same. embedded systems with touchscreens
2015-11-09T15:35:10 < Taxman> and LAN
2015-11-09T15:35:31 < mitrax> i see :) nice
2015-11-09T15:37:53 < Taxman> mitrax: You looked on my website?
2015-11-09T15:38:30 < mitrax> taxman: nope, did i miss an url? or should i /whois you and figure it out?
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2015-11-09T15:38:42 < mitrax> ah http://www.opaya.de/ :)
2015-11-09T15:38:44 < Taxman> mitrax: Because you said i see ;)
2015-11-09T15:38:45 < Tectu> you two are cute.
2015-11-09T15:38:55 < Laurenceb> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8299549&cid=50890341
2015-11-09T15:39:02 < Laurenceb> dat resonant coupling bro
2015-11-09T15:39:20 < Taxman> Tectu: You are sweet
2015-11-09T15:39:57 < Laurenceb> no homo
2015-11-09T15:40:26 < Taxman> so the swiss are prudish and homo? i can't believe that.
2015-11-09T15:42:02 < Laurenceb> a geeks true place in society is on Elon Musk's dick
2015-11-09T15:44:28 < Laurenceb> so many idiots on slashdot
2015-11-09T15:44:30 < Laurenceb> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8299549&cid=50891079
2015-11-09T15:44:36 < Laurenceb> Moore's law lol
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2015-11-09T15:48:32 < mitrax> Taxman: neat!
2015-11-09T15:48:43 < mitrax> Taxman: you should consider a version in english though :)
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2015-11-09T15:50:23 < Tectu> gotta support the German Reich
2015-11-09T15:52:01 < Taxman> *Tectu kick*
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2015-11-09T15:52:13 < Tectu> wait, I can do that for you
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2015-11-09T15:52:39 < Tectu> now, that was fun.
2015-11-09T15:52:47 < Taxman> mitrax: Coming soon. and new website. you seem to have good english skills for being french
2015-11-09T15:53:26 < Tectu> time to leave, cu folks!
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2015-11-09T16:02:42 < Sync> hmm
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2015-11-09T16:04:28 < mitrax> Taxman: ahaha thanks
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2015-11-09T16:09:18 < jon1012> mitrax, hey ! french freelance here too
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2015-11-09T16:10:43 < mitrax> jon1012: hello :)
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2015-11-09T16:28:19 < Getty> science! http://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researchers-prove-tin-foil-hats-boost-receptivity-to-government-signals/
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2015-11-09T16:28:50 < Taxman> mitrax: You have a webpage, too?
2015-11-09T16:29:06 < jpa-> i'm making a three-button user interface, with plus, minus, and select; what symbol would you use for "select"?
2015-11-09T16:29:28 < Getty> a blue point
2015-11-09T16:29:37 < jpa-> the typical arrow symbol for "enter/linefeed" seems a bit out of context
2015-11-09T16:29:39 < Getty> if you take a green + and a red - you can keep itall pretty small
2015-11-09T16:30:12 < jpa-> i have a round button worth of space to use
2015-11-09T16:33:54 < Taxman> jon1012: You do display stuff, too?
2015-11-09T16:34:20 < jon1012> Taxman, mmh, led display yeah :)
2015-11-09T16:34:26 < jon1012> on LCDs less
2015-11-09T16:34:33 < jon1012> (or I do web interfaces)
2015-11-09T16:38:26 < Getty> http://imgur.com/lvaYz2H thats exactly what i wanted to build first-first when i started to decide doing a bit electronics
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2015-11-09T18:01:47 < Taxman> jon1012: OLED Display? that's great
2015-11-09T18:02:04 < jon1012> not really :) well I do some oled, but mainly big led
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2015-11-09T18:02:22 < jon1012> like billboards
2015-11-09T18:02:42 < Taxman> wow
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2015-11-09T18:18:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
2015-11-09T18:18:56 < Laurenceb>  /pol/ cries
2015-11-09T18:19:10 < Laurenceb> they will probably an hero in mass
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2015-11-09T18:26:17 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/AxhHpEH.jpg
2015-11-09T18:31:31 < jon1012> (I'm happy I'm not in the usa... With Trump as the next president :-/)
2015-11-09T18:33:26 < Laurenceb> newsflash - Carson beating Trump
2015-11-09T18:33:50 < jubatus> what's wrong with Trump as president ? At least there will be a hot first lady.
2015-11-09T18:34:01 < jubatus> (I'm assuming if he wins he'll get a new wife.)
2015-11-09T18:34:56 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-11-09T18:37:50 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Sevwo9h.jpg
2015-11-09T18:37:53 < Laurenceb> Tectu PC
2015-11-09T18:44:46 < mtbg> lol
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2015-11-09T19:18:46 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/CNC%20Tech%20PDFs/C-ARA1-AK512%20(1).pdf
2015-11-09T19:18:49 < dongs> ....
2015-11-09T19:20:26 < dongs> hey keystoner has a fully smt version
2015-11-09T19:20:32 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv29=10&pv69=408&FV=fff40016%2Cfff802e4%2C700b08&k=USB+3.1&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
2015-11-09T19:20:35 < dongs> lol @ price
2015-11-09T19:21:29 < dongs> all the other ones are basically mini displayport-style
2015-11-09T19:21:35 < dongs> half the shit through-hole half the shit SMT
2015-11-09T19:21:45 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/JAE%20PDFs/DX07S024XJ1_Dwg.pdf
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2015-11-09T20:11:25 < upgrdman_> what are the "quirks" for date/time? leap years if year%4, no leap year if year%100 (iirc) ... anything else?
2015-11-09T20:12:09 < englishman> getting americans to stop using mm/dd/yy
2015-11-09T20:12:25 < upgrdman_> inorite, yyyy/mm/dd is so much better
2015-11-09T20:12:40 < upgrdman_> dd/mm/yyyy is so f'ing retarded
2015-11-09T20:15:18 < ReadError> upgrdman, i just watched a StarTalk thing on that
2015-11-09T20:15:31 < ReadError> it was pretty crazy how that shit worked
2015-11-09T20:16:25 < BrainDamage> multiples of 400 years still get leap
2015-11-09T20:16:46 < jpa-> upgrdman_: week numbers
2015-11-09T20:17:09 < jpa-> upgrdman_: and leap seconds, if you need that
2015-11-09T20:17:12 < upgrdman_> BrainDamage, so normall %100 = no leap, but mod%400 does?
2015-11-09T20:17:12 < BrainDamage> also depending of which time base you pick, you can get leap seconds being inserted to align with earth's rotation
2015-11-09T20:17:21 < upgrdman_> jpa-, week numbers change?
2015-11-09T20:17:26 < BrainDamage> yep
2015-11-09T20:17:28 < jpa-> upgrdman_: week numbers are totally crazy
2015-11-09T20:17:57 < BrainDamage> the worst part of leap seconds is that they cannot be predicted, they are only announced
2015-11-09T20:17:59 < jpa-> on some years they are also different between "week begins with monday" and "week begins with sunday" countries
2015-11-09T20:18:35 < upgrdman_> oh i dont care about that. just need to make a good enough rtc date/time to seconds-since-unix-epoch function
2015-11-09T20:18:48 < upgrdman_> since the lpc rtc cant generate timestamps :(
2015-11-09T20:19:14 < jpa-> good enough = doesn't matter if it is wrong by a few seconds?
2015-11-09T20:19:47 < upgrdman_> ya. +/- 10 seconds is fine
2015-11-09T20:19:57 < upgrdman_> from 1970 to maybe 2030
2015-11-09T20:20:02 < jpa-> yeah, not much worries then
2015-11-09T20:20:17 < upgrdman_> even +/- 30 seconds is prolly fine
2015-11-09T20:28:38 < Steffanx> time to stop pasting your own messages again flyback ..
2015-11-09T20:28:53 < Steffanx> oops fail scroll
2015-11-09T20:28:59 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-11-09T20:29:32 < Steffanx> was even surprised to see dongs still here :D
2015-11-09T20:36:36 < Steffanx> can't you go fancy with mktime or some other time.h function?
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2015-11-09T20:37:58 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: newlib has posix time functions, why not use those?
2015-11-09T20:38:30 < PaulFertser> With timezones, DST and such.
2015-11-09T20:40:48 < upgrdman_> hmm. good idea. i wonder if the lpcxpresso has newlib
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2015-11-09T21:27:15 < yan_> i'm 90% sure this isn't possible, but i can't wake up stm32l1 from sleep mode on uart start bit, right?
2015-11-09T21:35:21 < zyp> which sleep mode?
2015-11-09T21:36:04 < zyp> I would assume that in the right mode, the uart could run just fine, and then the RXNE interrupt could wake up the cpu
2015-11-09T21:37:29 < gxti> not so good in deep sleep though
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2015-11-09T21:40:32 < yan_> zyp: hm, you're probably right. i'm not using uart interrupts now, but should convert.. (i assume they work in uart as well as usart mode, right?)
2015-11-09T21:43:04 < zyp> sure
2015-11-09T21:43:48 < zyp> gxti, I would expect the low-power targeted L1 to have a mode where it can keep the usart running on a low power oscillator while the system sleeps
2015-11-09T21:44:20 < gxti> dunno! worst case, if you control the protocol you can wire rx to wakeup and send a break to wake it up
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2015-11-09T21:48:49 < karlp> then for more fun there's a specific "low power usart" on f0 or l0, that actually uses more power than the "usart" periph
2015-11-09T21:49:01 < karlp> (but can be used in modes that use less power...)
2015-11-09T21:49:11 < zyp> heh :)
2015-11-09T21:51:58 < karlp> and of course now I cnaa't find it, but I confirmed it when I was told.
2015-11-09T21:55:52 < karlp> ah yeah, LPTIM uses more power than TIM1
2015-11-09T21:56:30 < karlp> almost triple the consumption of tim6. (on l0)
2015-11-09T21:57:21 < gxti> impressive
2015-11-09T21:57:22 < karlp> but it keeps running in stop/standby modes
2015-11-09T21:57:27 < karlp> unlike tim6 :)
2015-11-09T21:57:35 < gxti> not at that consumption level i hope
2015-11-09T21:57:49 < karlp> no :)
2015-11-09T21:58:00 < karlp> but yeah, gotta read those docs if you really want to limbo :)
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2015-11-09T22:07:59 < Steffanx> stop mode with exti could also work.. but then you still have to be deal with the lost data.
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2015-11-10T03:26:44 < dongs> R2COM: status of downloading fagout4
2015-11-10T03:28:53 < GargantuaSauce> don't lie, we know you're already cranking it to the rule34
2015-11-10T03:29:02 < dongs> reviews of wat
2015-11-10T03:29:22 < dongs> heh i was downloading it then got raped by 25gb in 30 minutes capping rule
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2015-11-10T03:30:29 < dongs> and remaining ~700megs im grabbing at like 900k/sec
2015-11-10T03:30:37 < dongs> looks like donwload's done
2015-11-10T03:30:58 < dongs> usenet
2015-11-10T03:31:09 < dongs> i wouldnt pay for something I probly wont spend > 30 mins playing
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2015-11-10T03:56:09 < dongs> psh, emeb is gone
2015-11-10T03:56:37 < dongs> R2COM: how would you make a wide (lets say 600Mhz) spectrum analyzer
2015-11-10T03:57:14 < dongs> emeb would probly have some ideas
2015-11-10T03:57:34 < dongs> i'm more concerned how does one even "tune" such wideband
2015-11-10T03:58:15 < dongs> i want to be able to grab ~600mhz fairly quickly, to make a plot
2015-11-10T03:58:35 < dongs> like ~1 sec to grab that entire spectrum snapshot would be nice
2015-11-10T03:59:15 < dongs> yeah doesnt have to be fine
2015-11-10T03:59:36 < dongs> 1mhz or more would be more than enough
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2015-11-10T04:00:09 < dongs> sure
2015-11-10T04:00:13 < dongs> but the question is "how"
2015-11-10T04:00:36 < dongs> how its done
2015-11-10T04:00:42 < dongs> to do somethimng similar on the cheap
2015-11-10T04:00:50 < dongs> with bad resolution etc.
2015-11-10T04:01:23 < dongs> lol nigga, what if I wanna tinker and make that.
2015-11-10T04:03:44 < dongs> i wonder how fast I could scan with a cheap tuner that has like 8mhz bandwidth
2015-11-10T04:03:52 < dongs> and just step through entire band 8mhz at a time and snapshot it
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2015-11-10T04:06:03 < dongs> ya but if there's a more pro way (but still cheap) it would be better
2015-11-10T04:09:25 < dongs> yes 2.4ghz shit upgrdman did something wiht
2015-11-10T04:09:39 < dongs> but i think those are only like 1mhz of bandwidth
2015-11-10T04:09:41 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-11-10T04:15:35 < dongs> what's an active mixer
2015-11-10T04:16:49 < upgrdman> why was i pinged?
2015-11-10T04:17:14 < dongs> im just assburgering how one would make a wideband spectrum analyzer on the cheap
2015-11-10T04:17:22 < upgrdman> oh, the cheap as TI2500 i fucked with
2015-11-10T04:17:24 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-10T04:18:08 < upgrdman> btw, at least on the cc2500, you cant changes channel fast enough to sweep the band super fast. my like 5Hz sweep was the max it could handle. i had to spin wait between channel changes
2015-11-10T04:18:31 < upgrdman> not sure if the Nordic trash or others are better. wouldn't be surprised, since my entire 2.4g module was <$2
2015-11-10T04:18:54 < dongs> how do you measure anyway? do you just change frequency and measure RF input level?
2015-11-10T04:19:00 < dongs> (measure = read from regsiter/whatever)
2015-11-10T04:19:19 < upgrdman> ya.
2015-11-10T04:19:38 < upgrdman> just read rssi, and plug in a simple formula from the dicksheet to convert it into dbm
2015-11-10T04:19:43 < dongs> yeah okay
2015-11-10T04:19:56 < dongs> 5hz is pretty good tho for cheap garbage, what was the start/stop freqeucnyt?
2015-11-10T04:20:00 < dongs> like 2400..24xx??
2015-11-10T04:20:52 < dongs> 80mhz in 200ms?
2015-11-10T04:20:55 < upgrdman> 2.4 - 2.483 ya
2015-11-10T04:20:58 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic2.jpg
2015-11-10T04:21:09 < dongs> wau
2015-11-10T04:21:23 < dongs> so, was that really 5Hz or 0.5Hz?
2015-11-10T04:21:27 < dongs> 200ms to scan entire band?
2015-11-10T04:21:45 < upgrdman> video clip here:  https://youtu.be/axYgyjWLWhE?t=272
2015-11-10T04:21:47 < dongs> maybe just tuning every 1mhz with some shit i got here and reading out RF level is more than enough
2015-11-10T04:22:09 < dongs> wow
2015-11-10T04:22:09 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-10T04:22:10 < dongs> thats fast
2015-11-10T04:24:34 < upgrdman> and my super non-pro code: https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/screen_specan_live.c#L69
2015-11-10T04:26:15 < dongs> so channel is wat, 0..83?
2015-11-10T04:26:16 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-11-10T04:26:23 < dongs> wait no, more than that
2015-11-10T04:26:23 < upgrdman> hmmm
2015-11-10T04:26:27 < dongs> cuz you ahve 240
2015-11-10T04:26:45 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-10T04:27:03 < upgrdman> .345MHz iirc
2015-11-10T05:13:58 < upgrdman> anyone know if jacob's ladders are high current?
2015-11-10T05:14:09 < aandrew> not really no
2015-11-10T05:14:25 < upgrdman> what do they need for a small one? like 10kV 1mA?
2015-11-10T05:14:37 < aandrew> they are high voltage but when youre stepping 120 up to several thousand your current drops at the same ratio
2015-11-10T05:15:00 < dongs> jacobs ladded is diode shit right?
2015-11-10T05:15:01 < dongs> diode+cap?
2015-11-10T05:15:04 < upgrdman> ya. i have a high pot tester that can do roughly 10kV 55mA
2015-11-10T05:15:04 < aandrew> never measured the voltage of any of the HV I'm running, I could draw a 3-4" spark though
2015-11-10T05:15:13 < aandrew> nah it doesn't have to be DC
2015-11-10T05:15:58 < upgrdman> i might have to rought up a high voltage resistor tho, since the high pot tester is designed to trip quickly
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2015-11-10T05:40:50 < ds2> high current on the primary or secondary?
2015-11-10T05:44:06 < upgrdman> well i was planning to drive it direct from a HV psu
2015-11-10T05:44:23 < upgrdman> would prolly need a resistor to limit current
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2015-11-10T06:05:15 < upgrdman> im trying to plan my next hobby board (but it will be china fab'd)
2015-11-10T06:05:44 < upgrdman> thinking stm32f0, eink display, wifi, bluetooth, 4 dual gate drivers.
2015-11-10T06:06:01 < upgrdman> or maybe oled instead of eink. not sure yet.
2015-11-10T06:09:48 < englishman> dongs: fallout4 is buggy as hell
2015-11-10T06:09:51 < englishman> continuing with tradition
2015-11-10T06:10:56 < Sync> dongs: regular SAs have a tunable receiver
2015-11-10T06:11:22 < Sync> if you are super pro, you connect a fast ADC instead of a receiver
2015-11-10T06:11:35 < Sync> and thus get a time domain SA
2015-11-10T06:14:33 < dongs> sync, but wideband adc is gonna be $$
2015-11-10T06:14:47 < upgrdman> tdsa == fft, right?
2015-11-10T06:15:49 < dongs> it would have to be yeah
2015-11-10T06:17:49 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/KsvxYm3.gifv
2015-11-10T06:17:59 < upgrdman> little girl probably shit herself
2015-11-10T06:19:15 < dongs> most likely
2015-11-10T06:21:06 < upgrdman> yes, there would be poop dribbly down my leg ;)
2015-11-10T06:22:01 < Sync> upgrdman: yep
2015-11-10T06:22:37 < Sync> dongs: but shits will be pro
2015-11-10T06:23:11 < Sync> http://www.gauss-instruments.com/images/datasheets/TDEMI_40G.pdf
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2015-11-10T06:29:32 < upgrdman> found R2COM's vehicle   http://imgur.com/wSHLxSL
2015-11-10T06:30:49 < upgrdman> super safe  http://i.imgur.com/dMDK1OD.jpeg
2015-11-10T06:32:43 < Sync> pro
2015-11-10T06:39:09 < Sync> that's how lecroy does it
2015-11-10T06:39:35 < Sync> and also the tdemi
2015-11-10T06:39:44 < Sync> it also has an impressive stack of fpgas in there
2015-11-10T06:42:34 < upgrdman> lolol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F0aVb8ulJc
2015-11-10T06:43:52 < emeb_mac> how the hell do you find this stuff?
2015-11-10T06:44:23 < dongs> better question is
2015-11-10T06:44:28 < dongs> what hte fuck did he THINK was gonna happen?
2015-11-10T06:44:49 < emeb_mac> hopefully he's sterile now & can't pass on the stupid
2015-11-10T06:44:53 < dongs> indeed
2015-11-10T06:45:22 < Sync> R2COM: I'd have overlapping preselection and then just calibrate that out
2015-11-10T06:45:28 < emeb_mac> like the farm boys I grew up with who dared eachother to pee on the electric fence...
2015-11-10T06:46:38 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, r/wtf. was it too offensive? i only linked because it didnt show too much
2015-11-10T06:47:14 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: nothing offensive, just amaze that there's so much stupid out there.
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2015-11-10T06:47:26 < upgrdman> lol ya
2015-11-10T06:50:09 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, do you live in a rich area? wander around the poorer communities. soo much stupid. soo much.
2015-11-10T06:51:41 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: I sometimes shop at Wal-Mart. Plenty of that there.
2015-11-10T06:52:18 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-10T06:52:21 < emeb_mac> our joke is that when we walk in the average BMI drops by 10% and the IQ jumps too.
2015-11-10T06:52:33 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-10T06:53:31 < upgrdman> black people tricking out their scooters  http://i.imgur.com/w5MBP2w.jpg
2015-11-10T06:54:19 < dongs> sync, that doenst sound very cheap tho
2015-11-10T06:54:24 < upgrdman> R2COM, yours?
2015-11-10T06:55:46 < Sync> dongs: the 40 gigawhat tdemi?
2015-11-10T06:55:59 < Sync> around 150k€
2015-11-10T06:56:46 < upgrdman> yay someone bought my stupid ti89t calc on ebay
2015-11-10T06:56:59 < upgrdman> never use that shit anymore
2015-11-10T06:57:03 < Sync> depends in the ferrari
2015-11-10T06:57:14 < upgrdman> also wtf ti. make a calc that takes like 2 seconds to boot up.
2015-11-10T06:57:43 < dongs> sync, yeah i guess i was responding to r2pro comment
2015-11-10T06:57:49 < dongs> about fixed mixers + adcs
2015-11-10T06:59:29 < dongs> right
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2015-11-10T07:00:26 < Sync> also doing a lot of FFT is not that cheap
2015-11-10T07:01:33 < upgrdman> lolol  http://i.imgur.com/fpOKWCf.gifv'
2015-11-10T07:01:35 < upgrdman> lolol  http://i.imgur.com/fpOKWCf.gifv
2015-11-10T07:01:54 < dongs> ra[ed
2015-11-10T07:01:59 < dongs> raped, too
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2015-11-10T07:15:26 < ds2> which walmart?
2015-11-10T07:15:41 < ds2> the next to 202 on the north side?
2015-11-10T07:15:42 < ds2> ;)
2015-11-10T07:17:51 < upgrdman> how typical RC hobby people solder   https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12193631_10153147919805846_1027663295027469799_n.jpg?oh=db1426f688e1e5e87fe632072b2fe034&oe=56AFC249
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2015-11-10T07:20:37 < dongs> oh wow
2015-11-10T07:20:38 < dongs> chinagirl delivers
2015-11-10T07:20:47 < dongs> i got this 6-wire ribbon cable thing
2015-11-10T07:20:51 < dongs> its suuuuuuuuuuuuper soft
2015-11-10T07:20:55 < upgrdman> pic?
2015-11-10T07:20:59 < upgrdman> (bending)
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2015-11-10T07:22:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fOr6s3l.jpg
2015-11-10T07:24:03 < Roklobsta> looks like licorice.
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2015-11-10T07:24:19 < dongs> heh
2015-11-10T07:24:34 < upgrdman> neat
2015-11-10T07:30:51 < Sync> noice
2015-11-10T07:31:22 < Sync> I wonder how flexible it is in 3 weeks
2015-11-10T07:31:31 < Sync> when all the softeners have evaporated
2015-11-10T07:32:20 < Roklobsta> and some sunlight hits it.
2015-11-10T07:37:16 < upgrdman> im going to add some of molex's FEP super flexible cable to my next digikey/mouser order. looks to be awesome.
2015-11-10T07:43:15 < Sync> sounds pro
2015-11-10T07:45:48 < upgrdman> sure looks pro  http://www.mouser.com/images/molex/lrg/F26_F28_series_DSL.JPG
2015-11-10T07:48:35 < Sync> nice
2015-11-10T07:48:42 < Sync> I'll order some too
2015-11-10T07:49:42 < Sync> lel 30m are $228
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2015-11-10T07:55:12 < upgrdman> silver plated too. maybe i should make some audiophool stuff with it
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2015-11-10T07:56:03 < dongs> isnt the point of audiophool stuff to make outrageously expneisve shit out of cheapest parts
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2015-11-10T07:57:11 < upgrdman> neat "FEP is very similar in composition to the fluoropolymers PTFE (polytetrafluoroethylene) and PFA (perfluoroalkoxy polymer resin). FEP and PFA both share PTFE's useful properties of low friction and non-reactivity, but are more easily formable. FEP is softer than PTFE and melts at 260 °C; it is highly transparent and resistant to sunlight.["
2015-11-10T07:57:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, with the wire, nothing.
2015-11-10T07:57:25 < upgrdman> but
2015-11-10T07:57:36 < upgrdman> im working on an internet-of-dick pcb for fun
2015-11-10T07:57:52 < upgrdman> and i've been wanting a super flexible ribbon cable for SWD
2015-11-10T07:58:04 < upgrdman> casue i fucking hate wire tugging on my junk
2015-11-10T07:58:21 < dongs> this 6pin shit should be OK for swd
2015-11-10T07:59:18 < ehsanv> hi, have you ever faced microsd issues? i have a microsd reading 24/7 and it gets slow(really slow and +some bad pixels when reading pics). BUT i have another board(with same parts, but not sure about microsd brand because its in test process in somewhere else) and it's working perfectly since start until now(about 20 days)
2015-11-10T07:59:39 < jpa-> ehsanv: do you also write to the card?
2015-11-10T07:59:48 < upgrdman> R2COM, sepic stopped being fun when i realized i need to not half-ass gate driving when using my super fast and high current gate drivers
2015-11-10T08:00:04 < ehsanv> jpa-: just in the start, only first run
2015-11-10T08:00:09 < upgrdman> which reminds me, part of my internet-of-dicks pcb will have 4 dual gate drivers with holes for 8 FETs
2015-11-10T08:00:22 < upgrdman> so i can properly drive some beefy FETs for random fuckery
2015-11-10T08:00:24 < ehsanv> jpa-: i use fat_fs
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2015-11-10T08:01:02 < ehsanv> jpa-: ElmChan's FatFs
2015-11-10T08:01:04 < upgrdman> and YES i forgot all about my inductive dick heater. i pulled a super low ESR cap from an old air conditioner, i need to try it out with my induction heater
2015-11-10T08:01:05 < jpa-> ehsanv: sd cards may do wear balancing & other funny stuff that slows it down when writing, but it shouldn't happen when only reading
2015-11-10T08:01:18 < upgrdman> my LCR meter leads me to believe this new cap has <30mOhm ESR
2015-11-10T08:01:26 < jpa-> ehsanv: maybe the files are fragmented on the card?
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2015-11-10T08:01:34 < upgrdman> that almost an order of fagnitude better than the MLCCs i was using
2015-11-10T08:03:10 < ehsanv> jpa-: when i just reading? and why not happen in first couple of hours :( i just hoped you guys faced same problem so i could think it's not only my case!
2015-11-10T08:03:58 < ehsanv> jpa-: as i designed hardware too, i thought maybe the issue come from bad designing, maybe!
2015-11-10T08:04:27 < ehsanv> jpa-: and that 20day working board maybe have a really good microsd on it
2015-11-10T08:04:49 < jpa-> switching the microsd card would be the first thing to try
2015-11-10T08:08:44 < ehsanv> jpa-: i did, and after 5h the same problem happened. one note, i noticed bad pixels on pic and i plugged that microsd to computer and see that bad pixels too. ALSO i faced partition damage too in one of microsd's, after formating it solved.
2015-11-10T08:10:36 < jpa-> hmm, so the card became corrupted while connected to your system?
2015-11-10T08:11:04 < jpa-> might be a crappy card, or otherwise a bug in your code that causes it to accidentally write stuff
2015-11-10T08:11:17 < upgrdman> any way to get rid of the stupid ribbon in win10 explorer?
2015-11-10T08:12:12 < ehsanv> jpa-: yeah, seemly. but not sure about software, because of that only 20d working board! damn, if it fails i would be happier. so i know where to look.
2015-11-10T08:12:46 < ehsanv> R2COM: there's 3 boards,
2015-11-10T08:13:07 < ehsanv> R2COM: and 1 of them working perfectly and 2 not! i don't know for sure, maybe
2015-11-10T08:13:50 < ehsanv> but one thing i noticed now, in evaluation board by st for stm32f103 they used 47K for pull up data pins, i used all 10K !!
2015-11-10T08:14:07 < dongs> doubt it matters
2015-11-10T08:14:48 < jpa-> shouldn't matter
2015-11-10T08:14:56 < jpa-> once it actually is in data transfer, all the pins are driven
2015-11-10T08:16:06 < ehsanv> jpa-, dongs: i mean, maybe the current drawn/sink to microsd make it damage?!
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2015-11-10T08:17:08 < dongs> no
2015-11-10T08:17:11 < jpa-> nope
2015-11-10T08:17:17 < ehsanv> ok :D
2015-11-10T08:17:29 < dongs> once it works it works, if there was electrical issues preventing it from doing so, you'd have seen them
2015-11-10T08:19:03 < ehsanv> so what's the problem then :( since i just use a library for file stuff and don't know if the lib has problem or not.
2015-11-10T08:19:21 < ehsanv> but lib is known to work everywhere, never heard of faults
2015-11-10T08:21:55 < dongs> http://zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=118 lol
2015-11-10T08:24:02 < dongs> waiting for class action suit
2015-11-10T08:24:24 < dongs> well surely it can
2015-11-10T08:24:35 < dongs> duno
2015-11-10T08:24:39 < dongs> not delivering stuff
2015-11-10T08:24:41 < dongs> who knows
2015-11-10T08:24:50 < dongs> they could shutdown teh company and liquidate all thier shitty assets
2015-11-10T08:24:55 < dongs> to give everyone 100% refund
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2015-11-10T10:11:50 < bloated> How good is the FT2232 as a JTAG programmer ?
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2015-11-10T10:17:31 < PaulFertser> bloated: depends, but usually quite good. What are you interested in specifically?
2015-11-10T10:18:03 < bloated> just asked out of curiosity. someone offered me a FT2232 board and I'm wondering if I should take it.
2015-11-10T10:19:16 < Roklobsta> there is nothing to lose in taking it
2015-11-10T10:19:22 < bloated> every vendor seems to have their own SWD, so I don't know if anyone uses JTAG at all
2015-11-10T10:19:25 < Roklobsta> is it a 2322H?
2015-11-10T10:19:31 < bloated> 2232 yes
2015-11-10T10:19:37 < Roklobsta> H suffic?
2015-11-10T10:19:51 < PaulFertser> bloated: with some targets adding series resistors on every signal line is needed to get jtag working reliably. Also, an external buffer is needed if your target is not running at 2.7-3.3V.
2015-11-10T10:19:54 < bloated> don't know. How does tht matter ?
2015-11-10T10:20:00 < Roklobsta> H is faster
2015-11-10T10:20:08 < PaulFertser> bloated: FT2232 can be used for SWD as well.
2015-11-10T10:20:32 < Roklobsta> anyway, these board s are good for doing CMOS level RS232 and SPI and I2C stuff as well.
2015-11-10T10:20:55 < bloated> I have a few FT232s for that
2015-11-10T10:21:03 < bloated> the RS232 part atleast.
2015-11-10T10:21:23 < bloated> SPI/I2C is probably better on a buspirate I guess ?
2015-11-10T10:21:26 < PaulFertser> Flashing SPI memory is sometimes handy.
2015-11-10T10:21:34 < PaulFertser> Buspirate is slower.
2015-11-10T10:21:48 < Roklobsta> the SPI mode is used in avrdude <spit> and the flashrom project.  http://flashrom.org/Flashrom
2015-11-10T10:23:57 < Taxman> PaulFertser: Is the FT2232 min the j-links?
2015-11-10T10:24:44 < Taxman>  s/min/in/
2015-11-10T10:25:48 < PaulFertser> Taxman: no
2015-11-10T10:34:15 < Taxman> ok... do you know a swd dongle containing a FT2232?
2015-11-10T10:34:28 < Taxman> i have a turtelizer2, it contains a FT2232 but can only do jtag
2015-11-10T10:34:41 < Taxman> and A SPI Flash programming (FPGAs)
2015-11-10T10:35:24 < jpa-> i bought   http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/UM232H-B-NC/768-1160-ND/3770837   but haven't got it yet
2015-11-10T10:35:55 < jpa-> if you have the chip, supporting different protocols is mostly a matter of software
2015-11-10T10:36:03 < jpa-> openocd might support it?
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2015-11-10T10:43:10 < Roklobsta> i have a UM232H and CM232H both very handy
2015-11-10T10:43:35 < PaulFertser> Taxman: any ft2232h can do SWD, just add a single resistor.
2015-11-10T10:44:13 < PaulFertser> jpa-: SWD needs bidirectional pin but that's easy to fake in most cases.
2015-11-10T10:44:35 < PaulFertser> And yes, that's supported by openocd.
2015-11-10T10:48:05 < Taxman> PaulFertser: THe turtelizer2 dongle contains drivers after ft2232h
2015-11-10T10:51:22 < PaulFertser> Taxman: and after that driver you add a resistor and got SWD support.
2015-11-10T10:52:33 < PaulFertser> Taxman: http://openocd.zylin.com/gitweb?p=openocd.git;a=blob;f=tcl/interface/ftdi/swd-resistor-hack.cfg;h=04f3a73975782174f0e218c3ab528809348b0885;hb=HEAD
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2015-11-10T10:56:15 < Taxman> is it worth the effort? sooner or later i need swd. and ft2232h seems to be good
2015-11-10T10:57:25 < jpa-> stlink works quite well for swd also
2015-11-10T10:57:33 < jpa-> and is cheap on the discovery boards
2015-11-10T10:59:17 < PaulFertser> Taxman: turtelizer2 is already ft2232h, so I can't understand what you mean.
2015-11-10T10:59:32 < PaulFertser> But stlink can't mass-erase/unlock kinetis.
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2015-11-10T11:06:12 < Taxman> PaulFertser: Adding this resistor instead of buying something like j-link clone
2015-11-10T11:06:53 < PaulFertser> Taxman: also, ft2232h can capture swo faster than jlink.
2015-11-10T11:07:07 < PaulFertser> 12 Mbaud vs 7.5.
2015-11-10T11:07:34 < Taxman> great
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2015-11-10T11:12:30 < Taxman> PaulFertser: http://www.ethernut.de/pdf/turtelizer20c-schematic.pdf
2015-11-10T11:13:06 < Taxman> are you sure this can work? as long as the driver IC5 is driving, it overrides the resistor
2015-11-10T11:13:48 < Taxman> if ic5 is tri stated, ic4, swclk is tristated, too
2015-11-10T11:15:29 < PaulFertser> Taxman: I'm sure it can work. On ftdi side you have a strong driver and on the MCU side you have a strong driver. But MCU driver is not on all the time, when SWDIO is receiving, the mcu driver is off, so it gets data from TDI via the resistor. But when it's time to send, SWDIO pin driver is on, and TDO is connected directly to it, so TDO sees SWDIO signal and TDI can't do anything about it
2015-11-10T11:15:35 < PaulFertser> because its drive strength is severely limited by the series resistor.
2015-11-10T11:20:43 < Taxman> thanks, got it
2015-11-10T11:21:34 < Taxman> so i do not need to modify my adapter, it is enough to build an adapter cable to the target containing this wiring
2015-11-10T11:23:27 < PaulFertser> Exactly
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2015-11-10T11:43:06 < Taxman> so as i see in your schematic one needs a 5 pin header for SWD
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2015-11-10T11:54:39 < PaulFertser> Taxman: what do you mean, why? Everything's optional but SWCLK, SWDIO and GND.
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2015-11-10T12:17:25 < karlp> jpa-: that ftdi module you got has 2mm pitch 18 connectors, isn't that a hassle?
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2015-11-10T12:31:27 < Taxman> PaulFertser: VDD. -SRST ist not needed?
2015-11-10T12:34:59 < PaulFertser> Taxman: srst is optional, you might want it if you need to attach to a sleeping target or one that disables SWD by remapping early after reset etc.
2015-11-10T12:35:40 < PaulFertser> Taxman: VDD is kinda optional, if you can feed the adapter's output buffer from somewhere else with voltage reasonably matching target's Vcc, then it's ok.
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2015-11-10T12:41:26 < karlp> ehsanv: 10k vs 47k might matter for your pullups, the sd electrical spec is closed (boo) but you can get some hints in ti and nxp's sd app notes, they hve some excerpts of the spec that I don't have handy,
2015-11-10T12:41:45 < karlp> there really is a reason for the pulups, and 10k is too strong, well out of range of what's recommended, even if it "normalyl" works.
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2015-11-10T13:05:02 < jpa-> karlp: :( maybe it will magically become 2.54mm when i receive it? right?
2015-11-10T13:07:00 < jpa-> karlp: interesting
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2015-11-10T13:15:06 < karlp> I imagine 10k pulls will be problems with high speed cards too
2015-11-10T13:15:24 < karlp> one of the ti docs was 50-100k, and they even had different guidance for different pins
2015-11-10T13:18:41 < jadew> what pullups?
2015-11-10T13:18:47 < jadew> on the SD card pins?
2015-11-10T13:19:47 < jpa-> yeah, on sdio interface
2015-11-10T13:28:10 < karlp> SWPA221.pdf from TI, has mmc, SD and eMMC spec extracts,
2015-11-10T13:28:20 < karlp> 10k _should_ be ok, but it's "min"
2015-11-10T13:28:44 < karlp> I don't see any gain to go with min allowed by spec value.
2015-11-10T13:28:58 < karlp> and min is 50k for mmc
2015-11-10T13:30:23 < dongs> Hello Gary Niger,
2015-11-10T13:30:23 < dongs> This is Freed, glad to know you are in the domain for electronics, thus would like to introduce the Finest Circuit that might interest you:
2015-11-10T13:30:26 < dongs> well well
2015-11-10T13:30:35 < dongs> now i need to remember who i gave that email address to
2015-11-10T13:31:01 < dongs> hahaha
2015-11-10T13:31:05 < dongs> circuitmaker sold it
2015-11-10T13:31:14 < dongs> i did email+gary
2015-11-10T13:31:21 < dongs> and the only shit i have w/that is circuitmaker related shit
2015-11-10T13:31:23 < dongs> fucking cocks
2015-11-10T13:31:27 < karlp> gahhh, "Retained at customs : invoice is missing "
2015-11-10T13:31:33 < karlp> stupid stupid customs
2015-11-10T13:31:39 < karlp> I got a prize! there's no invoice!
2015-11-10T13:32:42 < karlp> heh, atollic has dropped code size limitations for the lite version
2015-11-10T13:32:47 < karlp> and moved pro to monthly subscription
2015-11-10T13:32:55 < karlp> fuck me, $50/month, every fucking month is pretty steep
2015-11-10T13:33:22 < jpa-> dongs: here in finland the national population registry leaked my email to spammers.. when i asked about it, they were just "oh well, this data is in so many places that we have no way of knowing where it leaked! :)"
2015-11-10T13:33:35 < dongs> haha
2015-11-10T13:34:05 < dongs> jpa-: thats why i register in shits I dont plan to use w/gmail or gmail apps and always use some unique username
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2015-11-10T13:34:42 < dongs> cortex-m keil is $1.5
2015-11-10T13:34:44 < dongs> k
2015-11-10T13:34:54 < dongs> USD
2015-11-10T13:34:56 < jpa-> also any email with unique id is whitelisted in my spam filter, so that i don't lose mails so easily
2015-11-10T13:35:01 < dongs> there's no diffeerence for any cortex family
2015-11-10T13:35:31 < dongs> that 1.5k USD is ~$2k aud is your country's problem :)
2015-11-10T13:43:33 < karlp> jpa-: doyou mean the username+blahstuff@domain suffix?
2015-11-10T13:44:17 < jpa-> karlp: similar, i use   user@blahstuff.mail.domain
2015-11-10T13:44:25 < jpa-> some stupid web forms block +
2015-11-10T13:44:32 < karlp> yeah, that's why I didn't go there,
2015-11-10T13:44:43 < karlp> oh, never thought about * record for mx to do the same thing.
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2015-11-10T13:45:36 < karlp> I actually just stopped trying, I did have a few different emails out there,but I decided that very occasionally I wanted back in to something, and enough people had my email anyway, so I was just goign to let everyone have the same single email all the time and no onger get upset about a company that leaked/sold emails
2015-11-10T13:45:44 < jpa-> i came up with * for mx in 2004 or something, before i heard about +
2015-11-10T13:46:23 < jpa-> yeah, for me it is also not so much about knowing about leaked emails, but rather about being able to bypass spam filter to avoid false positives
2015-11-10T13:46:54 < karlp> yeah, I don't get enough false positives to be upset about yet, not on my personal email
2015-11-10T13:47:05 < karlp> work email marks just about eveyrthing from ane xternal domain as spam
2015-11-10T13:47:32 < jpa-> i get so much spam that i wouldn't know if i get false positives
2015-11-10T13:49:26 < karlp> I gues I don't either :)
2015-11-10T13:49:54 < karlp> but I tend to only be looking for false positives for about half an hour after I sign up for something new
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2015-11-10T14:51:44 < __rob> anyone know if its possible to run 2 stlinks ?
2015-11-10T14:51:48 < __rob> to 2 sepearate boards
2015-11-10T14:52:31 < dongs> ?
2015-11-10T14:52:48 < dongs> your question does not compute
2015-11-10T14:53:12  * karlp runs 5 sometimes.
2015-11-10T14:53:28 < karlp> start running out of usb ports normally.
2015-11-10T14:53:30 < __rob> well debug with 2
2015-11-10T14:53:50 < __rob> ok, right
2015-11-10T14:54:01 < __rob> will buy another and try it
2015-11-10T15:15:05  * jubatus hopes eclipse/windows doesn't share any global shit between IDEs
2015-11-10T15:15:32 < jubatus> or do you have to install it twice/in two places ?
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2015-11-10T15:20:02 < karlp> you hope it does or doesn't?
2015-11-10T15:20:38 < jpa-> you will have to assign a different port to each gdb instance
2015-11-10T15:20:50 < jpa-> so may be a bit of fiddling with the configs
2015-11-10T15:20:53 < jubatus> ok
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2015-11-10T15:32:53 < Laurenceb> anyone here worked with flexi pcb much?
2015-11-10T15:33:05  * Laurenceb is reading  http://bbs.hwrf.com.cn/downpcbe/IPC-2223B%E6%9F%94%E6%80%A7%E7%94%B5%E8%B7%AF%E6%9D%BF%E8%AE%BE%E8%AE%A1%E6%A0%87%E5%87%86-496.pdf
2015-11-10T15:33:31 < Laurenceb> I'm wondering if the "Dynamic flex use" guidelines are at all sensible
2015-11-10T15:34:47 < Laurenceb> guess I need to look up copper fatigue limit
2015-11-10T15:35:04 < Laurenceb> are there other alloys for flexis that have better fatigue limits?
2015-11-10T15:37:05 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2015-11-10T15:37:06 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/30476.pdf
2015-11-10T15:37:23 < Laurenceb> figure 16, the 0.3% strain guideline gives <1000 cycles?
2015-11-10T15:37:34 < Laurenceb> no wonder my boards are cracking
2015-11-10T15:38:01 < Laurenceb> I think I kept to the 0.3% guideline, but my board break after a few thousand cycles
2015-11-10T15:40:51 < Laurenceb> how the heck do slide phones and stuff work?
2015-11-10T15:48:12 < Sync> no vias in the flex
2015-11-10T15:51:14 < Laurenceb> I've seen failures that arent in the vias
2015-11-10T15:51:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6s4o3lLJlo
2015-11-10T15:51:25 < Laurenceb> maybe that was just a fluke failure
2015-11-10T15:51:27 < dongs> k deleted fallout4
2015-11-10T15:51:29 < dongs> good thing I didnt pay for it
2015-11-10T15:51:34 < dongs> worst game of the year
2015-11-10T15:51:44 < Sync> kek
2015-11-10T15:51:54 < Laurenceb> All those sensors and a fuzzy camera from what I've seen so far
2015-11-10T15:52:03 < Sync> forum still down?
2015-11-10T15:52:08 < dongs> zano? its not ocming back
2015-11-10T15:52:21 < Laurenceb> zano: judgement day
2015-11-10T15:52:35 < dongs> their only hope is they declare bankruptcy soon
2015-11-10T15:52:40 < dongs> and  they get refunds under section 75
2015-11-10T15:52:41 < Laurenceb> all he does is talk
2015-11-10T15:52:42 < emeryth> they put the 'no' in 'zano'
2015-11-10T15:52:44 < dongs> (hopefully)
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2015-11-10T16:04:47 < ReadError> Laurenceb why does the UK have so many shows about benefits
2015-11-10T16:06:12 < dongs> shows about sucking the cock
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2015-11-10T16:41:05 < Laurenceb> <ReadError> cuz benefit scamming is our national culture
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2015-11-10T16:47:14 < dongs> how about zano
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2015-11-10T16:56:00 < englishman> for Laurenceb http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a25011625/top-baby-boy-names-2014
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2015-11-10T16:58:23 < kakimir> benefit the fuckers
2015-11-10T16:59:23 < kakimir> literally
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2015-11-10T17:02:54 < kakimir> how many times it's some single mom that enjoys both drinks and men of some local pub
2015-11-10T17:03:24 < kakimir> in those series
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2015-11-10T17:06:36 < rewolff>  Roklobsta: FT2232 and FTDI in general claim to do I2C and/or SPI. But when you get into the details.... It's almost, but not quite. So for example, you get to tie the dataIN and dataOUT pins together to do SDA in I2C, but then the chip does not support clock stretching which the I2C standard mandates. If you're lucky it works, if you're not lucky... it doesn't and there is nothing you can do about it.
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2015-11-10T17:11:18 < jubatus> rewolff: who does it properly ?
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2015-11-10T17:22:51 < rewolff> I'm working on STM32-based boards that should do it properly. And if not I get to fix it. :-) Want to test-drive a board?
2015-11-10T17:23:42 < Laurenceb> TED reaches peak retardation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MzzLz1sG3M&feature=share
2015-11-10T17:24:12 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1443644#msg1443644
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2015-11-10T17:27:40 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1444096#msg1444096
2015-11-10T17:27:41 < Laurenceb> lulz
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2015-11-10T17:47:08 < BrainDamage> wait until there'll be a ted talk on emdrive or zano
2015-11-10T17:47:46 < Sync> ivan talks about emdrive at ted
2015-11-10T17:48:19 < BrainDamage> emdrive powered zano
2015-11-10T17:57:26 < dongs> dont give ivan any ideas
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2015-11-10T18:04:58 < upgrdman_> does nxp have something like st-util? just a minimal utility for flash their mcu's
2015-11-10T18:07:10 < jubatus> yes
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2015-11-10T18:15:37 < jubatus> what hardware are you using ?
2015-11-10T18:15:43 < jubatus> do you have a lpcxpresso ?
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2015-11-10T18:16:56 < jubatus> http://www.flashmagictool.com/
2015-11-10T18:29:24 < Lux> any ideas why a fresh stm32f405 chip can only be programmed via spi with reset connected to the programmer ?
2015-11-10T18:29:41 < Lux> i mean swd.. brainfart
2015-11-10T18:30:20 < Lux> boot0 and boot1 are pulled down to ground via a resistor
2015-11-10T18:31:12 < jubatus> reset is requied to be connected afaik
2015-11-10T18:31:34 < dongs> is reset pulled up to 3.3V?
2015-11-10T18:33:03 < jubatus> stlink doesn't reset the device just before start programming ?
2015-11-10T18:33:09 < Lux> only via the internal pullup
2015-11-10T18:33:24 < Lux> and there is an external 100 nf cap on the reset line
2015-11-10T18:33:33 < dongs> err well
2015-11-10T18:33:34 < dongs> wat
2015-11-10T18:33:35 < Lux> so i need an additional pullup ?
2015-11-10T18:33:46 < dongs> 1) you dont need that cap 2) you should have a 10k to 3.3V on reset.
2015-11-10T18:35:38 < Lux> interestingly when i successfully flashed the program it runs fine, even with no 10k pullup
2015-11-10T18:35:47 < Lux> but i'll try adding one, thanks
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2015-11-10T18:59:51 < Lux> i added a 10k pullup
2015-11-10T19:00:00 < Lux> still the same
2015-11-10T19:10:09 < Lux> hmm now it works, seems like my cables are too long or whatever, setting the swd freq lower did the trick
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2015-11-10T19:57:59 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Uglayassbitches.jpg
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2015-11-10T20:40:24 < emeb> anyone figured out how to dump STM32 protected memory using that Nordic hack yet?
2015-11-10T20:42:50 < Steffanx> What nordic hack emeb?
2015-11-10T20:44:12 < emeb> Steffanx: http://blog.includesecurity.com/2015/11/NordicSemi-ARM-SoC-Firmware-dumping-technique.html
2015-11-10T20:44:36 < emeb> would have thought that'd be old news here by now.
2015-11-10T20:46:36 < Steffanx> heh, i dont read everything said here anymore ;)
2015-11-10T20:47:19 < emeb> Steffanx: there's wisdom in that.
2015-11-10T20:47:36 < Steffanx> its more lack of time
2015-11-10T20:48:22 < Steffanx> wasnt there some stm32 version of a similar hack before?
2015-11-10T20:48:56 < Steffanx> tried to find that today on the st forums but couldnt find it.
2015-11-10T20:53:47 < PaulFertser> emeb: wow, so simple and smart :)
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2015-11-10T20:55:09 < PaulFertser> emeb: I know Calypso DSP firmware was dumped by bruteforcing memcpy() location (i.e. the researcher assumed that the firmware must have memcpy somewhere in it) :)
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2015-11-10T21:01:08 < mtbg> interesting
2015-11-10T21:04:51 < emeb> PaulFertser: it's a neat trick. I suspect that the Nordic SoC may be particularly vulnerable because they ship parts with proprietary code in a protected region, but they also allow customers to load their own code into other areas. That means they need to allow debugging of protected chips.
2015-11-10T21:05:23 < emeb> In other words, STM32 parts may disable access to CPU debugging resources that were used for this hack.
2015-11-10T21:07:07 < Lux> I think on an stm32 you can disable debugging completely, so that stuff wouldn't work right ?
2015-11-10T21:08:11 < Lux> iirc that was level 2 protection
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2015-11-10T22:19:31 < englishman> isnt this sort of attack rather generic, for any chip that allows you to read and write registers via debugger
2015-11-10T22:19:43 < englishman> and set pc, etc
2015-11-10T22:19:57 < englishman> youd have to shut off debugging, ie level 2 protection with stm
2015-11-10T22:21:23 < englishman> or, be very careful and never use a load-by-reference instruction :)
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2015-11-10T22:54:52 < upgrdman> :)  http://i.imgur.com/rGKseFt.jpg
2015-11-10T22:55:34 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: did you get the stains off your glasses with vinegar?
2015-11-10T22:55:47 < upgrdman> have not purchased any yet
2015-11-10T22:56:15 < upgrdman> tried some melamine foam ("magic erasers") with very little difference
2015-11-10T22:56:24 < Roklobsta> i wonder if warm vinegar will clean flux off a pcb
2015-11-10T22:56:49 < upgrdman> why? regular alcohol works great for flux removed. and it stinks much less
2015-11-10T22:58:35 < Roklobsta> my old employer has a pick'n'place line with a modified dishwasher to clean the PCBs up at the end.  Mods were filtered water on the input presumably to remove any minerals and a 'saponifier' injector to inject the cleaning agent.  A hot wash cycle cleaned them nice followed by a stint at 40C in a modified glass-door fridge to dry them.
2015-11-10T22:58:44 < artag> I doubt it would work (though it depends on the flux). But if it wasn't cleaned off the board properly it would corrode it to bits
2015-11-10T23:00:47 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: yeah alcohol smell is nice.
2015-11-10T23:01:10 < upgrdman> i prefer it at least.
2015-11-10T23:01:17 < upgrdman> vinegar stinks to me.
2015-11-10T23:01:26 < upgrdman> like i'd rather smell vomit than vinegar
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2015-11-10T23:03:26 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4j88PvLyg
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2015-11-10T23:33:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaDBoYU1UTXRTY2c/view?usp=sharing gay oven trolley update
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2015-11-10T23:43:49 < ReadError> i still have no idea wtf that thing is for
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2015-11-11T00:27:43 < karlp> bleh, bugs in the l4 ref man. not suprising I guess.
2015-11-11T00:29:30 < kakimir> ReadError: imagine your dish washer without it's trolleys
2015-11-11T00:29:39 < kakimir> then you understand
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2015-11-11T00:36:30 < kakimir> do you understand ReadError? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QG380y5-L._SX300_.jpg loook at this dishwasher cart
2015-11-11T00:36:43 < ReadError> for a pcb oven?
2015-11-11T00:37:16 < kakimir> quite too big and shitty for pcb applications
2015-11-11T00:37:42 < kakimir> should have conveyor belt
2015-11-11T00:37:52 < kakimir> pass thru method
2015-11-11T00:37:54 < kakimir> many phases
2015-11-11T00:37:56 < kakimir> and shiet
2015-11-11T00:38:04 < ReadError> so like, food oven?
2015-11-11T00:38:57 < kakimir> bicycle frames
2015-11-11T00:39:14 < kakimir> wheelsets
2015-11-11T00:39:27 < kakimir> car rims
2015-11-11T00:39:32 < kakimir> blocks
2015-11-11T00:39:39 < BrainDamage> it's a tray, not a trolley btw
2015-11-11T00:39:51 < kakimir> okay need to rename it
2015-11-11T00:40:48 < kakimir> tray sounds like.. little board without wheels but I don't really know english
2015-11-11T00:41:17 < BrainDamage> yes, the wheels are optional
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2015-11-11T00:48:48 < kakimir> tray sounds like the thing you put plate and stuff
2015-11-11T00:49:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVvUknh9III
2015-11-11T00:50:28 < kakimir> shit quality sorry
2015-11-11T00:53:07 < ReadError> i guess rack would be the right word
2015-11-11T00:53:12 < ReadError> dishwasher rack...
2015-11-11T00:53:41 < kakimir> it would be
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2015-11-11T01:02:02 < karlp> ahh, good job ST, introduce a register that contains the "package", and use separate bits for lqpf64, lqfp100, bga132.
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2015-11-11T01:02:17 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QfaWJRnVz4M
2015-11-11T01:02:18 < karlp> then go and use one value for all of lqfp144, wlcsp81 and wlcsp72.
2015-11-11T01:02:19 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
2015-11-11T01:05:51 < Laurenceb_> the day wizardchan died
2015-11-11T01:05:55 < Laurenceb_> nevar forget
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2015-11-11T01:38:41 < dongs> hahaha
2015-11-11T01:38:45 < dongs> Ivan /ragequit torquing
2015-11-11T01:38:49 < dongs> zano is officially dead
2015-11-11T01:39:19 < Sync> wat
2015-11-11T01:40:05 < dongs> http://zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=120
2015-11-11T01:40:21 < dongs> It is with great sadness I write to let you know that I have resigned from Torquing Group. My resignation is due to personal health issues and irreconcilable differences.
2015-11-11T01:40:25 < dongs> I still fully believe in the project, the product and the enormous support from the backers. As I no longer act in any official capacity and am not associated with TG, I will of course continue to do my best to support the project and the community that made it all possible.
2015-11-11T01:40:29 < dongs> To say I am devastated pales when compared to what I am feeling. The last 7 years of my life are in TG, everything I have worked so hard for is in TG and to no longer be able to be part of everything I have built only makes me suffer even more.
2015-11-11T01:41:32 < Sync> smells like a trol
2015-11-11T01:42:53 < ReadError> and irreconcilable differences.
2015-11-11T01:43:08 < ReadError> means some shit went down
2015-11-11T01:43:10 < ReadError> and he was fired
2015-11-11T01:43:17 < dongs> lolz
2015-11-11T01:44:10 < mitrax> ouch
2015-11-11T01:44:23 < dongs> i guess zano is officially dead then
2015-11-11T01:44:25 < dongs> 2.3mil in the shitter
2015-11-11T01:44:39 < dongs> tehy cant bullshit around about amazefeaturees without ivan
2015-11-11T01:45:07 < dongs> R2COM: i deleted fallout4
2015-11-11T01:45:15 < dongs> absolutely unplayable garbage
2015-11-11T01:45:28 < kakimir> posted by ivan - on his yacht
2015-11-11T01:45:40 < dongs> R2COM: well, it got delivered right?
2015-11-11T01:45:44 < dongs> did it get broken?
2015-11-11T01:46:32 < dongs> psh
2015-11-11T01:46:38 < dongs> what good is steam hardware without zano
2015-11-11T01:48:30 < dongs> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/amid-concerns-europes-most-funded-kickstarter-project-just-lost-its-ceo/
2015-11-11T01:48:33 < dongs> haha
2015-11-11T01:48:36 < dongs> hes quick
2015-11-11T01:49:39 < mitrax> was he the CEO? i thought he was CTO or something
2015-11-11T01:50:04 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-11-11T01:51:40 < dongs> i would if i was drinking
2015-11-11T01:52:02 < dongs> there's no website anymore
2015-11-11T01:52:05 < dongs> forum's dead
2015-11-11T01:52:11 < Laurenceb_> hahah wtf
2015-11-11T01:52:14 < Laurenceb_> epic dramaz
2015-11-11T01:52:21 < Laurenceb_> zano needs an ED page
2015-11-11T01:52:31 < dongs> R2COM: been dead for weeks, they took it down
2015-11-11T01:53:25 < Sync> rekt
2015-11-11T01:53:49 < mitrax> ahahaah
2015-11-11T01:53:55 < mitrax> On Tuesday afternoon, Reece Crowther of the Torquing Group told Ars in an e-mail that the company would release a statement in the next 48 hours. "I will say we are still digesting this news internally and we are in a state of shock at present," Crowther wrote.
2015-11-11T01:54:03 < mitrax> no shit
2015-11-11T01:54:05 < dongs> haha
2015-11-11T01:54:15 < Laurenceb_> pwned
2015-11-11T01:54:51 < dongs> i think thats part of hte problem
2015-11-11T01:54:55 < dongs> they wasted all
2015-11-11T01:55:04 < dongs> at least thats the rumors, who the fuck knows
2015-11-11T01:55:21 < karlp> rosch mananged to sell his zano?
2015-11-11T01:55:21 < dongs> R2COM: 500k$ xeon racks, 100k$ oscilloscope, etc.
2015-11-11T01:55:23 < dongs> yes
2015-11-11T01:55:24 < karlp> who the fuck too?
2015-11-11T01:55:26 < dongs> 12k pic32Mzs
2015-11-11T01:55:47 < dongs> some lecroy thing I think in one of zanovids
2015-11-11T01:55:56 < dongs> we discussed it in here
2015-11-11T01:56:03 < dongs> someone identified it (maybe sync or someoner else)
2015-11-11T01:56:06 < Laurenceb_> we trolld in here moar liek
2015-11-11T01:56:18 < mitrax> 500k$ xeon racks are you serious?
2015-11-11T01:56:23 < dongs> hopefully hes dying from anal cancer
2015-11-11T01:56:26 < dongs> mitrax: the "hpc"
2015-11-11T01:56:36 < dongs> time to update noflyzano.com
2015-11-11T01:56:38 < dongs> not sure wiht wat tho
2015-11-11T01:56:55 < Laurenceb_> smug.gif
2015-11-11T01:57:44 < BrainDamage> something like "it's happening"
2015-11-11T02:01:29 < dongs> he didnt like to work with others
2015-11-11T02:01:30 < dongs> "work
2015-11-11T02:01:31 < dongs> "
2015-11-11T02:02:16 < kakimir> but did he had the money under his name or companys?
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2015-11-11T02:08:53 < kakimir> hey I want that
2015-11-11T02:09:19 < mitrax> what eludes me is how he thought he would pull off all what they promised... especially in that timeframe and with the hardware choice he made
2015-11-11T02:11:44 < dongs> mitrax: bbbbut..... PIC32MZ wasn't even officially out when he first thought of using it!~
2015-11-11T02:11:50 < kakimir> you should work insted of thinking dead kickstarter projects
2015-11-11T02:11:52 < dongs> it was SO FUTURE PROOF
2015-11-11T02:12:23 < Laurenceb_> they at least needed ambarella or summit
2015-11-11T02:12:43 < Laurenceb_> but ambarella without GoPro epic fail lunix build
2015-11-11T02:13:06 < Laurenceb_> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_4893-640x480.jpg
2015-11-11T02:13:13 < Laurenceb_> moar liek dick ferry terminal
2015-11-11T02:13:48 < kakimir> work can bring stable millions
2015-11-11T02:14:28 < mitrax> i thought he was just the lead developer for the product and had to deal with managment / marketing being over ambitious and making false claims (somehow hoping the dev guys would pull it off)... now if he really was the CEO and had control over that, he's a fucking retard
2015-11-11T02:14:56 < kakimir> R2COM: enterpreunership
2015-11-11T02:16:23 < dongs> mitrax: he's been talking bullshit for years
2015-11-11T02:16:32 < Laurenceb_>  NOTHING promised work: it even fails to fly like a $50 cheap drone.
2015-11-11T02:16:40 < dongs> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/SQ-4-RECON-Micro-UAV-AUVSI-Unma
2015-11-11T02:16:45 < dongs> this is 2012
2015-11-11T02:17:07 < Laurenceb_> the little drone is very fragile by design as all the sensors were supposed to avoid crashes
2015-11-11T02:17:11 < mitrax> R2COM: of course, that's what any serious coder / developer would do, but marketing people will boast about shit that don't exist
2015-11-11T02:17:23 < mitrax> dongs: okay
2015-11-11T02:18:28 < dongs> what devs
2015-11-11T02:18:41 < dongs> they didnt have any
2015-11-11T02:18:42 < Laurenceb_> oh Ivan is an aussie
2015-11-11T02:18:48 < Laurenceb_> now it all makes sense
2015-11-11T02:19:12 < mitrax> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ivan-reedman-7b159237
2015-11-11T02:19:13 < mitrax> oh my
2015-11-11T02:19:26 < mitrax> My key skill sets are software and digital electronics, working at the fundamental layers. I build complex systems in electronics and software. I code directly in assembly language, and yes, I count clock cycles to optimise everything I do!
2015-11-11T02:19:38 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2015-11-11T02:20:11 < mitrax> AHAHAAHAH
2015-11-11T02:20:19 < mitrax> I ensure that both the electronics and software I design, work as one and I love being told what I'm doing is impossible, that makes the challenge even more rewarding.
2015-11-11T02:21:25 < dongs> R2COM: yea mean, hes so full of shit in that entire video
2015-11-11T02:21:32 < dongs> timestamp doesnt matter its all ful of shit
2015-11-11T02:23:04 < mitrax> "the production model has almost fly eyes on the front for three dimensional imaging" WTF
2015-11-11T02:23:51 < mitrax> did i mishear or what?
2015-11-11T02:24:36 < kakimir> please you kill innovation
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2015-11-11T02:26:01 < kakimir> another domain by dongs?
2015-11-11T02:26:07 < dongs> yes
2015-11-11T02:26:28 < dongs> Creation Date: 21-jan-2015
2015-11-11T02:26:36 < dongs> i was right
2015-11-11T02:26:37 < dongs> since then
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2015-11-11T02:27:06 < kakimir> really?
2015-11-11T02:28:51 < mitrax> okay ... after watching that video i get it
2015-11-11T02:29:05 < mitrax> that guy obviously believe his own bullshit
2015-11-11T02:29:08 < dongs> right
2015-11-11T02:29:35 < mitrax> i can't decide if it's scary or sad
2015-11-11T02:31:10 < kakimir> living in the state of permanent ignorance?
2015-11-11T02:31:15 < kakimir> even for himself
2015-11-11T02:32:29 < kakimir> some people are like that.. they don't ever ever face it
2015-11-11T02:33:43 < kakimir> like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance but without that stress/discomfort part
2015-11-11T02:36:11 < mitrax> well pathological liars usually lie about things that they can get away with, or at least things they think they can get away with
2015-11-11T02:36:32 < mitrax> with zano there's a product to deliver in the end... and he's the guy in charge
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2015-11-11T02:39:01 < kakimir> well it's not pathological lying but kind of pathological ignorance
2015-11-11T02:40:41 < kakimir> like hitler
2015-11-11T02:41:52 < Laurenceb_> hey dont compare him to hitler
2015-11-11T02:41:59 < Laurenceb_> what about all the good things hitler did
2015-11-11T02:41:59 < kakimir> :P
2015-11-11T02:42:09 < kakimir> yeah
2015-11-11T02:42:09 < Laurenceb_> unlike ivan who didnt even do anything
2015-11-11T02:42:22 < Laurenceb_> hes literally worse than hitler :P
2015-11-11T02:43:01 < kakimir> hitler* that thought ussr was invadeable in the winter
2015-11-11T02:43:26 < Laurenceb_> lol I guess tyhats something ivan would think
2015-11-11T02:48:47 < kakimir> pipe dreams need to be broken
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2015-11-11T02:52:35 < kakimir> I remember how it hurt to wean off those empowering dreams
2015-11-11T02:53:43 < mtbg> poor ivan
2015-11-11T02:54:22 < kakimir> first empowering, then you get drunk of vision and shit starts to twist
2015-11-11T02:55:05 < mtbg> great ideas are also born this way
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2015-11-11T02:55:25 < mitrax> kakimir: well a bit of ambition / confidence is good...
2015-11-11T02:55:47 < mtbg> how else would you get motivation and passion for something
2015-11-11T02:55:48 < mitrax> kakimir: but in ivan's case that's just wishful thinking
2015-11-11T02:55:59 < mtbg> without it becoming first a dream?
2015-11-11T02:56:06 < kakimir> he was above his level
2015-11-11T02:56:36 < kakimir> I took note that dreams usually have that same core
2015-11-11T02:57:19 < kakimir> one single seed
2015-11-11T02:57:42 < kakimir> at least in case of innovation
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2015-11-11T02:58:13 < mtbg> after all, escapism is crucial for us, given the reasoning power we have, yet having ego
2015-11-11T02:58:16 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-11T03:01:46 < kakimir> and the seed is just simply promise of excitenment and wonder in one dense feeling that takes over neurology and starts to create blury images of the vision that sharpens on and on until you have polished it and masturbated to it enough you throw it away and start again
2015-11-11T03:02:19 < kakimir> and then you find youself looping like drug addict
2015-11-11T03:02:33 < kakimir> never doing anything
2015-11-11T03:02:41 < kakimir> actual
2015-11-11T03:03:04 < mtbg> still better than people without passion
2015-11-11T03:03:52 < kakimir> better as if there was comparison and as if you could name group of generic people
2015-11-11T03:04:54 < mitrax> ouch 2:04am
2015-11-11T03:04:56 < mitrax> BED TIME
2015-11-11T03:05:15 < mtbg> fixating on a wrong idea has the outcome just as you described
2015-11-11T03:05:42 < kakimir> idea too big
2015-11-11T03:05:47 < kakimir> or just vain
2015-11-11T03:06:15 < kakimir> but who is to define too big or vain
2015-11-11T03:10:18 < mtbg> there are beutiful things in that way, they are based on clear concept and create a whole new field with known mechanisms and boundaries
2015-11-11T03:10:32 < kakimir> healthy step by step process somewhat kills that excitenment
2015-11-11T03:10:36 < mtbg> they usually born in that way in author's mind anyway
2015-11-11T03:10:42 < kakimir> and another way around
2015-11-11T03:10:59 < kakimir> so maybe it's actually flaw of mind
2015-11-11T03:11:07 < kakimir> unbalanced state
2015-11-11T03:11:08 < mtbg> and tend to attract other people who are able to see this beuty
2015-11-11T03:11:20 < mtbg> beauty
2015-11-11T03:11:31 < mtbg> unix was born that way
2015-11-11T03:11:39 < mtbg> and many other things
2015-11-11T03:15:32 < mtbg> we are fortunate that there are many more ways nowadays to express and create such things than ever before
2015-11-11T03:15:58 < kakimir> maybe
2015-11-11T03:17:55 < mtbg> I don't know if you imagine for example zano's attitude to they product that way
2015-11-11T03:18:20 < mtbg> or in a maniacal, mindless way otherwise
2015-11-11T03:18:20 < dongs> sup zano ex-bakers
2015-11-11T03:20:16 < kakimir> sup donkey
2015-11-11T03:22:54 < mtbg> ok, enough mysticism for today
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2015-11-11T03:25:16 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should kickstarter my rockoon
2015-11-11T03:26:16 < Laurenceb_> or gofundme or something
2015-11-11T03:26:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.gofundme.com/yy7yz3k
2015-11-11T03:27:07 < kakimir> space rockoon
2015-11-11T03:27:46 < dongs> ahha
2015-11-11T03:27:49 < dongs> is that emdrive
2015-11-11T03:27:52 < Laurenceb_> I dont actually need any money... but funding would allow coke and hookers
2015-11-11T03:27:54 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-11-11T03:28:17 < kakimir> last photo is from 80's
2015-11-11T03:28:22 < Laurenceb_> now zano is dead we can troll emdrive
2015-11-11T03:28:38 < Laurenceb_> not only that, its at the superconducting super collider
2015-11-11T03:28:42 < Laurenceb_> another fail project
2015-11-11T03:29:57 < Laurenceb_> lol @ rational wiki emdrive page
2015-11-11T03:30:11 < Laurenceb_> they still manage to distort the facts
2015-11-11T03:31:51 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/RationalWiki
2015-11-11T03:38:09 < Laurenceb_> interesting http://hackaday.com/2015/11/10/nvidia-brings-computer-vision-and-deep-learning-to-the-embedded-world/
2015-11-11T03:38:17 < Laurenceb_> but can it do h.264 encode
2015-11-11T03:38:43 < dongs> im done wiht jetson
2015-11-11T03:39:01 < dongs> it a scam
2015-11-11T03:39:05 < dongs> there's zero support
2015-11-11T03:39:10 < dongs> just lunix wank
2015-11-11T03:39:40 < Laurenceb_> while NVIDIA quotes 1 TFLOP/s performance, this is for FP16 math, not FP32 as the standard
2015-11-11T03:39:43 < Laurenceb_> lulfail
2015-11-11T03:39:53 < Laurenceb_> dongs wants windows10
2015-11-11T03:40:57 < dongs> heh
2015-11-11T03:41:07 < Laurenceb_> lulz  http://hackaday.com/2015/11/10/disneys-designing-a-smart-watch-that-knows-what-youre-touching/#comments
2015-11-11T03:41:43 < dongs> dickhead at work been trying to figure out how to work DP83848 PHY right
2015-11-11T03:41:50 < dongs> he set it up and it does nothign
2015-11-11T03:42:09 < dongs> finally he found out, if he removes resistor from CRS_DV to GND, it works
2015-11-11T03:42:14 < dongs> (its a config pin for LED_CFG thing)
2015-11-11T03:42:42 < dongs> i look at schema, and he had a fucking 0R there
2015-11-11T03:43:05 < dongs> but its only used as CFG durign bootstrap, after run its output, which would be shorting 3.3 to GND after each eth frame
2015-11-11T03:43:09 < dongs> gg
2015-11-11T03:43:19 < dongs> why do people evne use 0R for config strapping, i always used 10K and had no problems
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2015-11-11T03:46:20 < aandrew> becuase p[eople are idiots
2015-11-11T03:46:27 < aandrew> at work? I thought you worked for yourself
2015-11-11T03:46:55 < dongs> i do, i still help these dicks from time to time
2015-11-11T03:56:34 < ds2> you can use up  more chips with a 0R strapping
2015-11-11T03:56:54 < ds2> a 10K strap wouldresult in a glut of chips
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2015-11-11T04:03:14 < dongs> wat
2015-11-11T04:03:35 < dongs> missing the joke, if any
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2015-11-11T04:04:12 < ds2> errors with 0R fry chips, errors with 10K don't. :)
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2015-11-11T04:05:00 < dongs> right
2015-11-11T04:05:17 < dongs> that was the problem, tho it wasnt frying anything probly just resetting
2015-11-11T04:05:37 < ds2> resetting? chip must be bad. chuck it ;)
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2015-11-11T04:15:55 < dongs> apprently some jap-made jet flew t oday
2015-11-11T04:15:57 < dongs> MRJ
2015-11-11T04:16:01 < dongs> and landed without crashing
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2015-11-11T04:39:06 < dongs> http://noflyzano.com/ updated
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2015-11-11T04:58:54 < jadew> I need a new IRC client
2015-11-11T04:59:20 < jadew> every once in a while I figure I need a new IRC client and after a couple of hours of searching I realize they all suck
2015-11-11T05:00:25 < jadew> I could try to get used to ChatZilla, but I don't like the layout
2015-11-11T05:00:38 < dongs> whatever you do, dont use hydrairc
2015-11-11T05:00:40 < dongs> too unclean
2015-11-11T05:00:52 < jadew> I think I tried it at some point
2015-11-11T05:00:54 < dongs> whats wrong iwht mirc?
2015-11-11T05:01:04 < jadew> dongs: it doesn't have a spellchecker
2015-11-11T05:01:08 < dongs> errrrrrrrrrrr
2015-11-11T05:01:12 < dongs> the fuck do you need one for?
2015-11-11T05:01:26 < jadew> I make mistakes, I'd like to be made aware of them
2015-11-11T05:01:41 < dongs> i make mistakes typing shit because i type them too fast, not because i like to make them
2015-11-11T05:01:45 < dongs> i dont think anyoen would really give a shit
2015-11-11T05:02:14 < jadew> still, I noticed that I make mistakes I should have corrected years ago
2015-11-11T05:02:21 < dongs> like waht
2015-11-11T05:02:22 < jadew> like "comming"
2015-11-11T05:02:48 < dongs> yeah, thats a shitty mistake
2015-11-11T05:03:01 < jadew> yep
2015-11-11T05:04:46 < jadew> I wonder if I can subclass the IRC's textbox and add spellchecking to it
2015-11-11T05:05:00 < jadew> *mIRC's
2015-11-11T05:05:00 < dongs> whatr  do you exdpect to be done anyway
2015-11-11T05:05:03 < dongs> have it autocorrect?
2015-11-11T05:05:10 < dongs> latest skype client does someshit like this
2015-11-11T05:05:16 < dongs> it automaticalyl fixes stuff for you without even noticing
2015-11-11T05:05:17 < jadew> no, I want it highlighted so I can correct it
2015-11-11T05:05:30 < dongs> it will autofix coming ->comming
2015-11-11T05:05:33 < dongs> er the reverse
2015-11-11T05:05:34 < jadew> the goal is to improve my english writing skills
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2015-11-11T05:14:08 < dongs> My hope is Torquing will produce/ship the remaining hardware to backers and put the software coding to open source for us to finish in exchange of not suing them. It is not likely to happen as they will lost all their R&D investment/efforts and future profitability if Zano finally works.
2015-11-11T05:14:14 < dongs> haha
2015-11-11T05:14:15 < dongs> who the fuck wants shitty pic32 opensores
2015-11-11T05:16:24 < ds2> nothing wrong with pic32s
2015-11-11T05:22:37 < Getty> i... looked into the pic32 topic.....
2015-11-11T05:22:43 < Getty> i got .... very scared....
2015-11-11T05:23:10 < Getty> was even more far away from my reality as avr was already for me
2015-11-11T05:31:30 < bloated> http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/cf/d0/0002d0cf_big.jpeg
2015-11-11T05:32:49 < bloated> I wonder if you can make ARM dev boards from old smartphones. There must be a market for 50 cent dev boards.
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2015-11-11T05:34:19 < Getty> well the moment where the processors of the phone got interesting it made the complete phone interesting
2015-11-11T05:35:05 < Getty> not that i seeked the most cheap reused ones, but i always seek regulary the "cheapest smartphone" and it somehow never really gets under 50 EUR if it has an ARM with a normal android
2015-11-11T05:35:26 < Getty> i feel this market is already "filled", like the phones you get cheap / in masses are the ones that are really worthless
2015-11-11T05:35:31 < dongs> er getty
2015-11-11T05:35:48 < dongs> USA has sales routinely on subsidized / locked phoens for way < $50
2015-11-11T05:35:50 < dongs> that run assedroid
2015-11-11T05:36:07 < dongs> my pal got some $10 phone on that deal, assdroid and all that
2015-11-11T05:36:17 < dongs> has gps, accelerometer, like 960x480 or wahtever sreen etc
2015-11-11T05:36:20 < Getty> yeah but i mean like "the pure device" so unlocked and just as device
2015-11-11T05:36:39 < Getty> sure you can then always find special deals but if that device si not the specs you need for the target its also not helpful
2015-11-11T05:37:10 < Getty> and i talk here about germany ;)
2015-11-11T05:37:13 < Getty> not US dreamland ;)
2015-11-11T05:37:22 < Getty> fuck US electronic prices :-P
2015-11-11T05:37:45 < dongs> psh
2015-11-11T05:37:52 < Getty> sometimes i get real anger, seeing the same device on the US market for the s/EUR/$/ -100
2015-11-11T05:38:05 < dongs> stop looking at iphones then
2015-11-11T05:38:12 < Getty> i dont look at iphones at all ;)
2015-11-11T05:40:07 < Getty> but whatever, the general statement stands: if the phone is "useful" it still has its value and is used on the market somewhere at some niche
2015-11-11T05:40:14 < Getty> i dont think there is a special market that is missed out
2015-11-11T05:40:32 < Getty> beside using old nokia phones as bullets
2015-11-11T05:41:59 < Getty> i can imagine
2015-11-11T05:42:35 < Getty> yeah i heard about it, its like dreamland
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2015-11-11T05:43:24 < jadew> haha
2015-11-11T05:43:39 < jadew> this nickname was such an unfortunate mistake
2015-11-11T05:43:47 < Getty> mountain dew..... <hadtobesaidnow>
2015-11-11T05:44:39 < jadew> WM_PAINT is a message
2015-11-11T05:44:49 < jadew> the GDI stuff is... API
2015-11-11T05:45:15 < jadew> so you can use the GDI+ stuff to handle/change images
2015-11-11T05:45:29 < jadew> neither
2015-11-11T05:45:40 < jadew> WM_PAINT will tell YOU to handle it
2015-11-11T05:45:44 < jadew> so you're responsible
2015-11-11T05:46:11 < jadew> if your application doesn't handle WM_PAINT for that particular window, it will call the default function that does that
2015-11-11T05:46:21 < jadew> R2COM, usually, yeah
2015-11-11T05:46:44 < jadew> custom drawn
2015-11-11T05:47:04 < jadew> they stopped being common several versions ago
2015-11-11T05:47:16 < jadew> you can use the common ones tho
2015-11-11T05:47:30 < jadew> you can use the old style, the common controls or the custom drawn stuff
2015-11-11T05:47:35 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-11T05:47:39 < jadew> those are custom drawn
2015-11-11T05:48:10 < jadew> no, they never made that public
2015-11-11T05:48:19 < jadew> they bought these controls from some other company
2015-11-11T05:48:59 < jadew> the original ones were written by them tho
2015-11-11T05:49:07 < jadew> so they bought a copy of their original work
2015-11-11T05:49:24 < jadew> depends on how complex they are
2015-11-11T05:49:46 < jadew> depends on the number of points and if they're moving
2015-11-11T05:49:57 < jadew> did you see my LA?
2015-11-11T05:50:08 < jadew> it can draw a huge number of points fairly fast
2015-11-11T05:50:44 < jadew> using the regular DC API
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2015-11-11T05:51:01 < jadew> the device context stuff
2015-11-11T05:51:20 < jadew> didn't think it was needed
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2015-11-11T05:53:36 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-11T05:53:43 < jadew> that's where it would make sense
2015-11-11T05:55:08 < jadew> I'm off to bed
2015-11-11T05:55:09 < jadew> night
2015-11-11T06:02:39 < jadew> R2COM, I came from the bed to tell you I may have confused you a bit
2015-11-11T06:02:44 < jadew> there's GDI and GDI+
2015-11-11T06:03:06 < jadew> GDI is that device context stuff I was talking about
2015-11-11T06:04:53 < jadew> not entirely sure what GDI+ brought to the table, but it allowed more advanced bitmap manipulation and some other goodies
2015-11-11T06:05:51 < jadew> I always used it as a.. what's that word when it completes something
2015-11-11T06:05:56 < jadew> well, that
2015-11-11T06:07:41 < jadew> anyway, I'm going back to bed
2015-11-11T06:07:45 < jadew> np
2015-11-11T06:07:46 < jadew> night
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2015-11-11T06:34:28 < upgrdman> any idea how to find out the pinout and controller for a cheap ass lcd like this?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-Serial-TFT-LCD-Color-Display-Module-With-SPI-Interface-5-IO-Ports-128X160-/360564811381?hash=item53f3566675:m:me38gnGf6QQkZV7hL0BuDqQ
2015-11-11T06:38:41 < bloated> you think the seller might be selling it for 2 dollars because he doesn't know what the fuck it is  ...
2015-11-11T06:39:30 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-11T06:44:18 < dongs> looks about right priced
2015-11-11T06:44:39 < dongs> whats so special about it?
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2015-11-11T06:57:30 < upgrdman> i want: spi, small, smd, decent price.
2015-11-11T06:57:37 < upgrdman> smd seem to be the hard part.
2015-11-11T06:58:08 < upgrdman> so many breakout board for ardutards. i dont want to fuck with unsoldering a FFC just so i can resolder it to my board.
2015-11-11T06:58:35 < upgrdman> *PFC
2015-11-11T06:59:37 < bloated> so ditch your STM32s and buy an Arduino!
2015-11-11T07:00:19 < dongs> upgrdman: check wide.hk
2015-11-11T07:00:27 < dongs> if they have the lcd you need, you can get them to send you unsoldered ones
2015-11-11T07:00:56 < dongs> hm they just have small oled shits
2015-11-11T07:01:06 < upgrdman> and theirs are like $20
2015-11-11T07:01:14 < dongs> huh yeah they've got super gay now
2015-11-11T07:01:17 < dongs> they had a lot more shit before
2015-11-11T07:01:19 < dongs> and it was super cheap
2015-11-11T07:01:42 < upgrdman> bummer
2015-11-11T07:13:02 < ds2> there is nothing scary about the pic32's
2015-11-11T07:13:09 < ds2> just another MIPS chip
2015-11-11T07:13:12 < dongs> just the shitty toolchain,
2015-11-11T07:13:15 < dongs> shitty debuggers
2015-11-11T07:13:17 < dongs> shitty IDEs
2015-11-11T07:13:20 < dongs> shitty everything
2015-11-11T07:13:25 < ds2> hmmm? plenty of MIPS choices
2015-11-11T07:13:32 < ds2> who cares about IDEs
2015-11-11T07:13:42 < dongs> people who want to get work done
2015-11-11T07:13:45 < Roklobsta> is all the hoohar about MIPS patents over?
2015-11-11T07:13:47 < dongs> and not command line jerkoffs
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2015-11-11T07:19:15 < upgrdman> wtf. reading some article about fast food and other unskilled workers wanted $15/hour. "In Boston, Kheila Cox, 38, a $10-an-hour baggage handler at Logan Airport, planned to join an afternoon march from Faneuil Hall to the Massachusetts State House. "It's not just the financial piece, it's also about the dignity," said Cox, who has seven children."  this idiot making $10/hour has SEVEN kids. no wonder this dumb bitch is poor as fuck.
2015-11-11T07:19:23 < ds2> IDE is the biggest of time ever
2015-11-11T07:19:26 < upgrdman> from here  http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/11/10/fast-food-strikes-begin/75482782/
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2015-11-11T07:19:51 < ds2> the answer is to automate the entire fast food restruant and fire all their asses
2015-11-11T07:20:14 < dongs> this idiot making $10/hour has SEVEN kids. no wonder this dumb bitch is poor as fuck.
2015-11-11T07:20:17 < dongs> lol niggers
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2015-11-11T07:50:53 < upgrdman> lol. idiot.  https://youtu.be/jq-qngvz9N0?t=43
2015-11-11T07:57:02 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/oU4dcR1.gifv
2015-11-11T07:57:28 < dongs> what is that shit
2015-11-11T07:57:52 < upgrdman> dongs, supposedly brake fluid and chlorine
2015-11-11T07:58:05 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/holdmybeaker/comments/3rp448/hmb_while_i_mix_brake_fluid_with_chlorine_in_our/
2015-11-11T07:59:40 < upgrdman> lots of other neat gifs in that subreddit
2015-11-11T08:00:29 < upgrdman> how it feels when i climax:  http://i.imgur.com/q6bEQWt.gifv
2015-11-11T08:04:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPtMWkFlV-4
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2015-11-11T08:09:43 < upgrdman> dongs, i dont get whats funny?
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2015-11-11T08:09:54 < upgrdman> the bunch of stupid questions?
2015-11-11T08:10:31 < dongs> upgrdman: kinda, mostly the part where she kept repeating that the fucking leaves might be prettier in jp
2015-11-11T08:10:37 < dongs> liek fuck off
2015-11-11T08:10:40 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-11-11T09:06:36 < aandrew> dongs: is that your new youtube account?
2015-11-11T09:07:21 < dongs> no
2015-11-11T09:11:09 < aandrew> hm
2015-11-11T09:11:10 < aandrew> that is odd
2015-11-11T09:11:32 < aandrew> stm32cubemx so thoroughly fucks up windows that it crashes the virtualization software running the OS
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2015-11-11T09:57:03 < dongs> what
2015-11-11T09:57:10 < dongs> why would you need mdk470
2015-11-11T09:57:17 < dongs> just download the legacy pack for 5.x
2015-11-11T09:57:35 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/legacy/
2015-11-11T09:57:37 < dongs> it works fine
2015-11-11T09:57:39 < dongs> im using it
2015-11-11T09:57:41 < dongs> uh?
2015-11-11T09:57:50 < dongs> it just adds like 2 folders to c:\keil
2015-11-11T09:57:58 < dongs> you sure you didnt fail the download?
2015-11-11T09:58:03 < dongs> installer is signed
2015-11-11T09:58:09 < dongs> so it will take a few secs to verify signature
2015-11-11T09:58:20 < dongs> especially off a shitty pc/network drive
2015-11-11T09:58:44 < dongs> lmao
2015-11-11T09:59:41 < dongs> looks like they released legacy pack for 5.17
2015-11-11T09:59:44 < dongs> i was looking for that the other day
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2015-11-11T11:03:48 < akaWolf> dongs: why mdk? why not realview?
2015-11-11T11:06:12 < dongs> ? isnt realview lgacy shit for arm9/etc
2015-11-11T11:06:23 < dongs> theyt dont update it anymore afaik
2015-11-11T11:06:27 < dongs> the new shit is DS studio or something
2015-11-11T11:06:29 < dongs> eclipse-aids
2015-11-11T11:06:54 < akaWolf> is it not the same as old mdk?
2015-11-11T11:07:06 < akaWolf> armcc is different?
2015-11-11T11:08:14 < dongs> they're migrating armcc to llvm in ds studio :(
2015-11-11T11:08:40 < akaWolf> it's now, but 7 years ago?
2015-11-11T11:09:29 < akaWolf> I thought, mdk have the same armcc as rvds...
2015-11-11T11:09:33 < dongs> duno man i use shit that I ahve and that works
2015-11-11T11:09:34 < dongs> no
2015-11-11T11:09:35 < dongs> they are updating it
2015-11-11T11:09:37 < dongs> in every release
2015-11-11T11:09:44 < dongs> llatest mdk is armcc 5.06 or somethign
2015-11-11T11:09:58 < akaWolf> I'm talking about old mdk...
2015-11-11T11:10:58 < dongs> i dont fucking know, i use latest software
2015-11-11T11:11:02 < akaWolf> :)
2015-11-11T11:11:04 < akaWolf> k
2015-11-11T11:11:13 < dongs> i used to use realview in like 2001
2015-11-11T11:11:20 < dongs> developing shit for BREW
2015-11-11T11:11:40 < akaWolf> I wrote patcher for rvds...
2015-11-11T11:11:42 < dongs> because freetard compiler couldn't even properly handle varargs with ROPI code
2015-11-11T11:12:03 < dongs> to patch what, piracy shit?
2015-11-11T11:12:08 < akaWolf> looks like it's even work for the latest versions
2015-11-11T11:12:09 < akaWolf> yeah
2015-11-11T11:16:40 < akaWolf> it's why I'm asking about armcc... :)
2015-11-11T11:18:02 < dongs> no idea
2015-11-11T11:18:07 < dongs> i'm fully legit
2015-11-11T11:19:43 < akaWolf> me too... it was for Symbian Foundation compilation
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2015-11-11T13:16:59 < Ecco> Hi :)
2015-11-11T13:17:27 < dongs> ecco the dongfin
2015-11-11T13:17:32 < dongs> wiht zano dead im super bored
2015-11-11T13:17:42 < Ecco> oh so it's official?
2015-11-11T13:17:47 < dongs> yes
2015-11-11T13:18:10 < dongs> http://zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=120&p=656#p656
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2015-11-11T13:18:43 < Ecco> I don't get it
2015-11-11T13:19:00 < Ecco> Seems like a poor chap got pretty sick
2015-11-11T13:20:24 < Ecco> Anyway
2015-11-11T13:20:33 < Ecco> I'm looking for a malloc implementation for an STM32
2015-11-11T13:20:37 < Ecco> What would you guys recommend?
2015-11-11T13:20:53 < dongs> i'd recommend: not using dynamic memory
2015-11-11T13:21:01 < Ecco> yeah but…
2015-11-11T13:21:07 < jpa-> newlib's implementation works fine
2015-11-11T13:21:14 < jpa-> chibios' implementation works also
2015-11-11T13:21:18 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-11T13:21:23 < Ecco> I'll have a look a them, thanks
2015-11-11T13:21:30 < jpa-> baselibc works also ;)
2015-11-11T13:21:38 < jpa-> even nuttx's malloc works sometimes!
2015-11-11T13:21:42 < Ecco> :-D
2015-11-11T13:21:57 < Ecco> hmm
2015-11-11T13:22:07 < Ecco> ok so baselibc uses a "simple link-list" model
2015-11-11T13:22:22 < Ecco> that's going to fragment real bad
2015-11-11T13:22:41 < Ecco> dongs: no dynamic allocation seems… well… hard
2015-11-11T13:22:47 < Ecco> that triggers a bunch of questions
2015-11-11T13:22:58 < Ecco> 1/ How do you use the SRAM then?
2015-11-11T13:23:22 < jpa-> many of the embedded malloc implementations you will find are not very fragmentation resistant
2015-11-11T13:23:27 < Ecco> 2/ How do you deal with dynamic user input
2015-11-11T13:23:47 < __rob> dongs, was that guy key in the process ?
2015-11-11T13:23:49 < __rob> ivanr ?
2015-11-11T13:23:54 < jpa-> it's somewhat difficult to get good fragmentation resistance without virtual memory, so IMO it is better to design the application so that it doesn't cause fragmentation
2015-11-11T13:24:02 < Ecco> jpa-: ok. Currently I'm using one from sqlite. It's the classic taught-in-CS algorithm
2015-11-11T13:24:12 < jpa-> Ecco: by allocating static buffers and specifying maximum sizes
2015-11-11T13:24:17 < Ecco> hmm, I see
2015-11-11T13:25:11 < Ecco> That seems painful though
2015-11-11T13:25:23 < Ecco> doesn't that result in code ridden with globals everywhere?
2015-11-11T13:26:23 < jpa-> not globals, static variables can be file-scope or function-scope also
2015-11-11T13:26:38 < Ecco> hmm, indeed
2015-11-11T13:27:05 < jpa-> and if you have something that handles USART1, well, it just makes life so much easier if you have   static uint8_t g_USART1_RxBuffer[1024];   that you can check in debugger easily
2015-11-11T13:27:27 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-11T13:27:49 < Ecco> but what if I want to parse arbitrary user input?
2015-11-11T13:28:26 < Ecco> (build a data structure depending on something the user inputs)
2015-11-11T13:28:30 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/34787404
2015-11-11T13:28:32 < dongs> lool
2015-11-11T13:28:58 < qyx> Ecco: you shouldn't parse arbitrary user input
2015-11-11T13:29:06 < qyx> that input should be constrained
2015-11-11T13:29:27 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-11T13:29:40 < jpa-> you will run out of memory anyway
2015-11-11T13:29:41 < qyx> there are cases for dynamic memory, but most of the time you can use stack/static variables as jpa- says
2015-11-11T13:30:06 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-11T13:30:07 < jpa-> if you need to handle potentially infinite data stream, you cannot expect to put it all to memory - you have to do it block-by-block
2015-11-11T13:30:22 < Ecco> well, in practice it should be smallish data
2015-11-11T13:30:30 < Ecco> and it's acceptable to fail if the data is too large
2015-11-11T13:30:36 < jpa-> on the aside, the sqlite memory allocator seems quite well thought out and will probably beat most of the allocators that come with embedded libc's
2015-11-11T13:30:54 < Ecco> jpa-: So far I've been pretty happy with it :)
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2015-11-11T13:31:02 < Ecco> well, that's sqlite after all :)
2015-11-11T13:31:16 < jpa-> Ecco: if it is acceptable to fail with dynamic memory, then it is acceptable to fail when your predefined buffer is too small
2015-11-11T13:31:27 < Ecco> indeed
2015-11-11T13:31:45 < Ecco> but then why bother w/ predefined buffers?
2015-11-11T13:31:56 < Ecco> Calling "malloc" each times seems more convenient
2015-11-11T13:32:13 < jpa-> because with predefined buffers it will always fail in the same, predictable way
2015-11-11T13:32:26 < Ecco> that makes sense
2015-11-11T13:32:27 < jpa-> with malloc() it may sometimes fail at 6000 bytes and other times at 5 bytes
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2015-11-11T13:32:59 < Ecco> thanks
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2015-11-11T13:41:27 < mitrax> Ecco: if you want to avoid fragmentation you could have several heaps, like one that's dedicated to those variable size user inputs, if memory for those input is freed at some point and it's not just a big heap with everything your app allocates it won't fragment as much (e.g if you know at some point you can get rid of everything that's been input by the user cause he started something new)
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2015-11-11T13:51:11 < mitrax> Ecco: and as jpa said you can keep everything that's critical to your app in predefined buffers, then rely on one heap for other stuff (stuff that you can discard if the heap gets badly fragmented) at least you don't have everything failing
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2015-11-11T13:54:07 < jpa-> avoiding fragmentation is easy when you have long-lived large objects and short-lived small objects; it's when you get short lived large objects or "medium lived" objects that you tend to get trouble
2015-11-11T13:55:24 < jpa-> long lived = allocated at start of task, released at end; medium lived = allocated in the middle of execution, but persists for random durations; short = allocated randomly, released within short time
2015-11-11T13:57:17 < mitrax> lunch time!
2015-11-11T13:57:22 < dongs> dongs time
2015-11-11T14:01:18 < karlp> upgrdman: holdmybeaker gave me this gem too: http://imgur.com/r/holdmybeaker/LhASiiD
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2015-11-11T14:09:31 < dongs> retards
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2015-11-11T14:39:22 < dongs> Laurenceb: beep http://www.bbc.com/news/34787404
2015-11-11T14:39:38 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-11-11T14:39:55 < Laurenceb> never saw that coming /s
2015-11-11T14:40:07 < dongs> lul
2015-11-11T14:40:15 < dongs> All this does is reinforce the point that kickstarter is for projects too dumb to convince your bank to lend you the cash
2015-11-11T14:40:19 < dongs> nice commentard
2015-11-11T14:40:25 < dongs> i wonder if theregister will write somethign
2015-11-11T14:40:28 < dongs> i should send them a tip
2015-11-11T14:40:36 < dongs> being UK based they could go rip them a new asshole
2015-11-11T14:42:15 < Laurenceb> It is safe to say that many, if not most, have already given up on what now looks like Europe's most disastrous Kickstarter project.
2015-11-11T14:42:17 < Laurenceb> lulz
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2015-11-11T14:43:26 < Laurenceb> Only by reading each paragraph a few times it actually makes since when you take out the poor grammar or mistyped text
2015-11-11T14:43:29 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-11-11T14:43:36 < dongs> wat
2015-11-11T14:43:39 < dongs> makes since
2015-11-11T14:43:41 < dongs> fucking
2015-11-11T14:43:43 < dongs> > since
2015-11-11T14:43:45 < dongs> > makes
2015-11-11T14:43:49 < dongs> > poor grammar
2015-11-11T14:43:50 < dongs> die
2015-11-11T14:45:41 < Tectu> so zano is finally over <3
2015-11-11T14:48:13 < Tectu> > Those who had backed the project reacted with sadness.
2015-11-11T14:51:07 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12241522_10153101870875738_5535524116192648242_n.jpg?oh=c975fac3f23b18d4056e3e9ba7c05f44&oe=56EDAE91
2015-11-11T14:55:23 < BrainDamage> sure, turn it on, and hold it above the trash
2015-11-11T14:55:31 < BrainDamage> then remove hands
2015-11-11T14:55:47 < dongs> for better effect, make the props spin backwards
2015-11-11T14:55:53 < dongs> since its a futureproof function
2015-11-11T14:55:59 < dongs> to push it into trashcan at highspeed
2015-11-11T14:56:55 < Laurenceb> it can power cycle easily
2015-11-11T14:57:01 < Laurenceb> just rev up the motors
2015-11-11T14:57:10 < __rob> what a shame esp as the money seems enough to actually devlier something close to what they promised
2015-11-11T14:57:30 < dongs> but they already pissed it away on PIC32s
2015-11-11T14:57:46 < dongs> 2.3fucking mil, even Laurenceb would probably deliver a working drone for that
2015-11-11T14:57:46 < __rob> dont think the choice of mcu is the problem
2015-11-11T14:57:51 < dongs> rob, it surely is
2015-11-11T14:57:58 < __rob> for why ?
2015-11-11T14:58:05 < dongs> no
2015-11-11T14:58:06 < BrainDamage> it is when you want to deliver the amount of functionality they promised
2015-11-11T14:58:19 < mitrax> it's actually worse than it seems, according to the article investors bought TG last year
2015-11-11T14:58:21 < dongs> __rob: what makes you think PIC32 is adequate to do HD/FHD video streaming over wifi
2015-11-11T14:58:30 < __rob> a decent pic32 should be more than capable of keeping it stable
2015-11-11T14:58:38 < BrainDamage> you cannot do data push and encoding at the promised bitrate and at the same time run the control loop
2015-11-11T14:58:38 < __rob> which by all acounts it is not
2015-11-11T14:58:41 < dongs> rob, sure, but so does a $20 china drone
2015-11-11T14:58:43 < Laurenceb> they need amberella or some shit like that
2015-11-11T14:59:13 < Laurenceb> hardware h.264/whatever acceleration
2015-11-11T14:59:17 < __rob> but ur right, not sure why you'd do video with chip like pic32
2015-11-11T14:59:44 < __rob> plenty of soc out there that will run linux and provide video processing
2015-11-11T14:59:50 < BrainDamage> either brain lock, or intentional scam, or they had a secret deal with pic
2015-11-11T14:59:51 < Laurenceb> adaptive spacial/temporal wavelet filtering, debauer, 10 to 8 bit colour space conversion
2015-11-11T14:59:54 < Laurenceb> etc etc etc
2015-11-11T15:00:09 < Laurenceb> they do none of that, thats why the video is shit
2015-11-11T15:00:33 < __rob> prob all done on the sensor
2015-11-11T15:01:03 < __rob> one of those on board vpp jobs
2015-11-11T15:01:15 < dongs> the sensor outputs jpeg frames.
2015-11-11T15:01:25 < dongs> the pic isnt evne fast enough (or has enough ram) to buffer them for simple SD card writing.
2015-11-11T15:01:26 < __rob> yea, well thats why its shit
2015-11-11T15:01:54 < BrainDamage> well, guess what, people said the design premises were horrible from the start
2015-11-11T15:02:03 < BrainDamage> didn't stop this announced disaster to happen
2015-11-11T15:02:12 < dongs> yeah, i told them it was shit in january.
2015-11-11T15:02:39 < __rob> those Ti DM368 things would prob have done the job better
2015-11-11T15:02:56 < dongs> anyway, their BIGGEST problem was claimed battery
2015-11-11T15:02:58 < dongs> life
2015-11-11T15:03:13 < dongs> 10-15 minutes is just impossible in that weight/power envelope
2015-11-11T15:03:20 < dongs> thier shit barely does 5 minuts now I think
2015-11-11T15:03:26 < dongs> which is ~comparable to china trash wiht same batts
2015-11-11T15:03:32 < Laurenceb> you mean 0.5 seconds
2015-11-11T15:03:43 < Laurenceb> before it brownouts the wifi module
2015-11-11T15:03:46 < dongs> well, maybe, if you didnt plug in the JST connector
2015-11-11T15:06:43 < dongs> Laurenceb: they used a right angle 2.54mm pin header on the pcb, and plugged in regular JST red socket from like 1S lipos into it
2015-11-11T15:06:56 < dongs> only relying on the plastic extrusions on the case to protect it from going reverse polarity
2015-11-11T15:07:01 < Laurenceb> oops
2015-11-11T15:07:06 < dongs> instead of using a proper fucking jst header on the board
2015-11-11T15:07:48 < dongs> anyway, people were half-connecting them
2015-11-11T15:07:54 < dongs> because it needed a good push to fully get inserted
2015-11-11T15:08:09 < __rob> so was the original kickstarer video just faked then ?
2015-11-11T15:08:12 < dongs> so the shit would get disconnected after a few seconds of flight
2015-11-11T15:08:14 < dongs> rob, of course.
2015-11-11T15:08:15 < mitrax> __rob: ahah wake up
2015-11-11T15:08:17 < dongs> fishing line + shit
2015-11-11T15:08:22 < __rob> well they had 'something'
2015-11-11T15:08:27 < dongs> no
2015-11-11T15:08:27 < __rob> I see a drone flying on it
2015-11-11T15:08:28 < dongs> they didnt.
2015-11-11T15:08:34 < dongs> yes, its being pulled by fishing line
2015-11-11T15:08:36 < dongs> and removed in postprocessing
2015-11-11T15:08:42 < __rob> no way
2015-11-11T15:08:43 < dongs> the far shots is just rendered shit
2015-11-11T15:08:44 < __rob> lol
2015-11-11T15:08:45 < dongs> yes way.
2015-11-11T15:08:48 < dongs> quads dont take off like that
2015-11-11T15:08:55 < dongs> every takeoff sequnece is 100% faked
2015-11-11T15:09:03 < dongs> they just turn on motors and pull it up
2015-11-11T15:09:06 < __rob> riight
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2015-11-11T15:09:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrvVGQH31fg
2015-11-11T15:10:19 < dongs> please tell me this is new + real
2015-11-11T15:10:36 < dongs> oh lawldl
2015-11-11T15:12:46 < jubatus> how much does FCC certification cost ?
2015-11-11T15:13:06 < dongs> jubatus: depends who you go through, and amount of testing
2015-11-11T15:13:24 < dongs> usually people go through a local testing lab/wahtever that bills them, not directly with fcc
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2015-11-11T15:13:40 < dongs> but ~10k-ish +- etc.
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2015-11-11T15:13:48 < av500> 5k+
2015-11-11T15:13:53 < av500> but it depends
2015-11-11T15:14:37 < av500> a sheet of CE stickers was 10¢ in Shenzhen
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2015-11-11T15:15:37 < jpa-> that's how CE is supposed to be applied anyway
2015-11-11T15:15:47 < dongs> yeah i bought some nice antistatic stickers for liek $3 for 1k
2015-11-11T15:15:56 < mitrax> iirc CE certification doesn't mean shit
2015-11-11T15:16:05 < jpa-> it's not "CE certification"
2015-11-11T15:16:16 < jpa-> what it means is that the manufacturer claims to fullfill the requirements
2015-11-11T15:16:18 < mitrax> it's "self certified"
2015-11-11T15:16:20 < mitrax> yeah
2015-11-11T15:17:04 < jubatus> is FCC certification accepted by any other countries ?
2015-11-11T15:17:07 < Roklobsta> blown: which lab?
2015-11-11T15:17:23 < jubatus> accepted/recognized
2015-11-11T15:17:28 < jpa-> fcc has also some categories that are just declarations and not certs
2015-11-11T15:17:33 < jubatus> what's the Australian equivalent ?
2015-11-11T15:17:38 < Roklobsta> Ctick
2015-11-11T15:18:28 < Roklobsta> it's been about 5 years since i sent anything to emc.  i think it's changed a bit now.
2015-11-11T15:18:31 < jubatus> CE is not entirely meaningless. Is self-cerfied but there are huge fines if you get caught
2015-11-11T15:18:49 < Roklobsta> but i got ctick compliance, and for $500 each I could get the data reused to generate FCC and CE reports.
2015-11-11T15:19:05 < jubatus> the value of a CE sticker is proportional to the inverse of the fly-by-night-ness of the company
2015-11-11T15:19:30 < Roklobsta> ctick was about $2k - just depends how long it takes.
2015-11-11T15:19:53 < Tectu> did anyone here ever use IAR? Is it worth ´getting it´? How is it compared to Keil
2015-11-11T15:20:03 < Roklobsta> and busy you are restesting each time you put another ferrite and copper tape somewhere...
2015-11-11T15:21:01 < Roklobsta> at least we don't have to do the PRCRB testing here in .au for 2G/3G/4G stuff.  $25000+!
2015-11-11T15:21:08 < Roklobsta> PTCRB
2015-11-11T15:21:18 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-11T15:21:26 < Laurenceb> Tectu: I tried IAR
2015-11-11T15:21:35 < Laurenceb> latest GCC produced better code
2015-11-11T15:21:44 < dongs> and its like $x k/day to rent the 3G/LTE testing gear
2015-11-11T15:21:52 < Tectu> Laurenceb, how is the IDE itself?
2015-11-11T15:21:58 < Tectu> did dongs do IAR so far?
2015-11-11T15:21:59 < Laurenceb> cant remeber lol
2015-11-11T15:22:06 < Tectu> Laurenceb, can´t be bad then
2015-11-11T15:22:55 < Tectu> if there´s anything one can remember it´s a bad IDE
2015-11-11T15:23:52 < Laurenceb> wut  http://www.revolutiontrains.com/
2015-11-11T15:24:00 < Laurenceb> BBC example of good kickstarter
2015-11-11T15:24:15 < Laurenceb> moar liek wizard trains
2015-11-11T15:24:35 < dongs> whats this 007 spectre thing
2015-11-11T15:25:11 < mitrax> dongs: another shitty movie
2015-11-11T15:25:12 < Tectu> Daniel Craig raging about drones spectating secret missions
2015-11-11T15:25:34 < Laurenceb> each james bond movie is moar shitty than the last
2015-11-11T15:26:04 < Laurenceb> http://oi39.tinypic.com/e0jzwz.jpg
2015-11-11T15:26:47 < Tectu> last one I saw was casino royale
2015-11-11T15:26:49 < Tectu> did not enjoy.
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2015-11-11T15:31:18 < Laurenceb> http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/kc/medium/xqlmqgwe.jpg
2015-11-11T15:31:22 < Laurenceb> irl lolling
2015-11-11T15:31:45 < dongs> whats that blue state
2015-11-11T15:31:46 < dongs> in 2005
2015-11-11T15:33:01 < Laurenceb> like swastiget but with added wizard
2015-11-11T15:34:57 < BrainDamage> the blue one is colorado
2015-11-11T15:35:11 < dongs> why would it be blue in 2005
2015-11-11T15:35:13 < Tectu> Wizardchan <--> dongs default website
2015-11-11T15:36:18 < BrainDamage> alaska went backwards in bmi index as time passed tough
2015-11-11T15:36:57 < BrainDamage> then again, it was pretty fucking fat to begin with
2015-11-11T15:37:14 < Laurenceb> blubber for insulation in winter
2015-11-11T15:38:05 < Laurenceb> the day that wizardchan died (and 8chan was born) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfaWJRnVz4M
2015-11-11T15:38:09 < Laurenceb> also ewwwww
2015-11-11T15:39:35 < dongs> not clicking
2015-11-11T15:39:39 < dongs> fuck Laurenceb links
2015-11-11T15:39:49 < Laurenceb> lol its too wrong even for dongs
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2015-11-11T15:40:29 < Tectu> lol
2015-11-11T15:41:12 < jadew> morning
2015-11-11T15:41:24 < Laurenceb> hi
2015-11-11T15:42:48 < dongs> jadew: what are you dickstarting next
2015-11-11T15:42:48 < mitrax> laurenceb: how is that video related to 8chan or wizardchan? i don't get the link
2015-11-11T15:43:08 < jadew> dongs, nothing
2015-11-11T15:43:11 < Laurenceb> turned out wizardchan was full of grrls, so they all met up for orgy
2015-11-11T15:43:19 < Laurenceb> thats the "aftermath"
2015-11-11T15:43:21 < jadew> I have too much stuff to do
2015-11-11T15:43:55 < Laurenceb> afterwards hotwheels had to head off to new pastures, so 8cahn was born
2015-11-11T15:44:12 < Laurenceb> thats hotwheels wheelchair in one of the rooms
2015-11-11T15:44:20 < mitrax> Laurenceb: really? looks like an handicaped person appartment
2015-11-11T15:44:40 < Laurenceb> I think it is his lair
2015-11-11T15:45:20 < Laurenceb> at least they didnt video the orgy, that would be even more wrong
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2015-11-11T15:50:35 < dongs> dosnt sound very STM32 related there bro
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2015-11-11T16:08:28 < dongs> Its a shame Ivan has decided to bail on the project but as one of the 'lucky' few who received a ZANO, the only irreconcilable differences i can see that happened are between Ivans theory of how the drone will perform and how it performs in the real world. Its a terrible terrible drone and that can only be Ivan's fault.
2015-11-11T16:08:33 < dongs> haha
2015-11-11T16:09:13 < dongs> On the one hand, they've (hopefully?) ordered all the parts, which aren't refundable. Getting a functioning product out there would protect them from potential mass refunds, so financially it might make more sense to actually try and complete these. They could also then move to a full retail product.
2015-11-11T16:09:18 < dongs> lul
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2015-11-11T16:15:58 < Laurenceb> dosnt sound very STM32 related there bro
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2015-11-11T16:21:29 < dongs> Also it appears that you have a particular axe to grind with Ivan, but I find it strange that I don't recall seeing any comments from you on this forum or elsewhere before he quit or was forced out of the door.
2015-11-11T16:21:35 < dongs> It almost appears as if either;
2015-11-11T16:21:35 < dongs> A: You work for TG & now Ivan has quit you are out of a job, which I would understand to be upsetting.
2015-11-11T16:21:39 < dongs> or
2015-11-11T16:21:41 < dongs> B: You are an Investor/Director at TG & now you are worried that without Ivan you won't be able to hide behind him anymore or to be able to complete the project, which I again would understand you'd be upset over especially if you are worried that he will now be able to tell us honestly what the issues are at TG.
2015-11-11T16:21:47 < dongs> haha
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2015-11-11T16:25:47 < Getty> dongs: cool, something happening, reading it up right now, anything specific good you can point me to? Reading some main news streams right now about it
2015-11-11T16:27:01 < dongs> Getty: zano?
2015-11-11T16:27:09 < Getty> yeah of course!
2015-11-11T16:27:23 < Getty> that is really cool now, literally rats leaving the ship
2015-11-11T16:27:26 < Getty> i mean, i didnt expected that
2015-11-11T16:27:51 < Getty> i would have expected that goes down as "block"
2015-11-11T16:28:02 < qyx> hm, ivan is out of the game?
2015-11-11T16:28:03 < englishman> dongs: related to earlier image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti2_zEYkku4
2015-11-11T16:28:12 < dongs> englishman: yes that video
2015-11-11T16:28:18 < dongs> i hayve it in my favorites
2015-11-11T16:28:21 < dongs> just didnt feel like diggingi g out
2015-11-11T16:29:16 < dongs> Re: Had anyone heard off any TQ employee?
2015-11-11T16:29:16 < dongs> Postby Pyrofer » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:58 pm
2015-11-11T16:29:16 < dongs> I contacted one via LinkdIn. He told me he was fired on last Friday. I won't name him to be nice, but this is not good news.
2015-11-11T16:29:17 < englishman> also sry that treecut video is old as fak
2015-11-11T16:29:19 < dongs> haha wat
2015-11-11T16:31:20 < Getty> sad that there was no way to make a bet on that
2015-11-11T16:31:36 < Getty> that would be like awesome, if you could make money out of predicting crashing kickstarter
2015-11-11T16:32:09 < Getty> sad that i cant make that kind of service in my country, but that might be a good project
2015-11-11T16:32:12 < Getty> the anti-kickstarter
2015-11-11T16:32:23 < Getty> you bet on crowdfunded projects failing
2015-11-11T16:32:40 < rewolff> The other side of the bet is taken by those entering the kickstarter. They are betting, and as payoff expect to get (working) goods.
2015-11-11T16:32:54 < Getty> oh! you mean combined
2015-11-11T16:32:56 < englishman> this sounds like a kickstarter idea
2015-11-11T16:33:08 < Getty> the problem is that "triples" the failure money
2015-11-11T16:33:19 < Getty> oh wait no, we take th emoney they would refund normally
2015-11-11T16:33:28 < Getty> and give it to the anti bed guys yeah
2015-11-11T16:33:46 < Getty> still risky business concept ;)
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2015-11-11T16:49:29 < jubatus> for someone who knows nothing about drones - what software do you use to control/stabilize them ? is there a package everyone uses or does everyone write their own ? the mathematics of should be very complex I guess
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2015-11-11T16:49:46 < dongs> jubatus: basic shit is super easy.
2015-11-11T16:49:51 < dongs> making it stay in one place is ahrd.
2015-11-11T16:49:58 < dongs> and yeah, everyone rolls thier own but there's a number of opensores shits
2015-11-11T16:50:01 < rewolff> jubatus: there are several packages.
2015-11-11T16:50:30 < rewolff> For atmel there was the KK controller. But there are many more nowadays.
2015-11-11T16:51:27 < jubatus> for ARM what's the go-to opensores package ?
2015-11-11T16:51:55 < dongs> pixhawk i guess
2015-11-11T16:52:09 < dongs> its opensores, some posix/lunix-like shit, has makefile-only build system etc
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2015-11-11T16:52:45 < Silvering> Hi everyone! I'm configuring my mac in order to flash an STM3240G-EVAL. I created the cfg file to run it in Eclipse but the content is wrong… source [find target/stm3240.cfg] doesn't exist… Any idea?
2015-11-11T16:52:45 < Silvering> I was following this tutorial : http://www.davidrojas.co.uk/stm32f3discovery-on-mac-os-x-using-eclipse-gcc-arm-and-openocd/
2015-11-11T16:53:30 < dongs> well shit, give it a path to correct file or whatever?
2015-11-11T16:53:36 < dongs> the error sounds pretty obvious
2015-11-11T16:53:54 < jubatus> or get the exact same hardware used in that tutorial ;p
2015-11-11T16:55:30 < Silvering> To be honest I'm completely new in embedded linux world. For the moment I'm just following tutorials to understand.. Sounds like a path must be checked or edited right?
2015-11-11T16:57:15 < dongs> Silvering: do you have windows?
2015-11-11T16:57:24 < dongs> I would suggest getting 32k trial copy of keil MDK
2015-11-11T16:57:30 < dongs> and having something that actually WORKS
2015-11-11T16:57:41 < jubatus> there's a comment there from another Mac user that IOS used its super intelligence to save the .cfg file with a different (hidden) extension
2015-11-11T16:57:43 < dongs> so you can decide if you wanna go with ARM stuff or stay with avr
2015-11-11T16:57:56 < PaulFertser> Silvering: I suggest https://github.com/gnuarmeclipse
2015-11-11T16:58:08 < jubatus> did you create that stm3240.cfg file ?
2015-11-11T16:58:12 < Silvering> dongs : sorry I forget to say that I'm on Mac OS X
2015-11-11T16:58:38 < PaulFertser> Silvering: you didn't, it's just dongs who thinks the only OS worth using is windows.
2015-11-11T16:58:57 < jubatus> me too
2015-11-11T16:59:00 < PaulFertser> Silvering: yes, the question is where the hell you got an idea to write stm3240.cfg.
2015-11-11T16:59:26 < jubatus> Real Men use Windows™
2015-11-11T16:59:30 < Silvering> PaulFertser : It was only to test…
2015-11-11T16:59:38 < PaulFertser> Silvering: gnuarmeclipse seems sane, you should probably try that instead of manually configuring everything.
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2015-11-11T17:00:06 < Silvering> PaulFertser : Ok so where can I find the right cfg ?
2015-11-11T17:00:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm-4Zb1755Q
2015-11-11T17:00:41 < PaulFertser> Silvering: what target is on that board?
2015-11-11T17:01:04 < Silvering> openocd
2015-11-11T17:01:28  * karlp laughs
2015-11-11T17:01:33 < PaulFertser> Silvering: just source stlinkv2 config, then stm32f4x config. Read OpenOCD's README.
2015-11-11T17:03:17 < Silvering> PaulFertser : Ok when I use stm32f4x config I receive this in the eclipse terminal : https://gist.github.com/Silvering/7a26599c82b5948c6582
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2015-11-11T17:05:02 < mitrax> dongs: how long have you been living in japan?
2015-11-11T17:06:22 < dongs> i fell out of WTC and ended up in japan
2015-11-11T17:06:31 < mitrax> seriously :p
2015-11-11T17:06:40 < dongs> longer than that
2015-11-11T17:08:07 < PaulFertser> Silvering: the stupid captain OS X version?
2015-11-11T17:08:25 < Silvering> PaulFertser…. yes
2015-11-11T17:08:42 < dongs> Didn't you know? Macfags must have the newest and latest shit.
2015-11-11T17:09:05 < dongs> As soon as Apple releaseas a new iPhone they line up to buy it, or be ridiculed by their peers for being behind in technology.
2015-11-11T17:09:19 < Silvering> dongs : I'm not such as guy
2015-11-11T17:09:24 < Silvering> ;-)
2015-11-11T17:09:27 < PaulFertser> Silvering: then you need a manually patched openocd to workaround a problem with stlink firmware.
2015-11-11T17:10:21 < mitrax> paulferster: isn't it fixed in the recent firmwares?
2015-11-11T17:10:42 < Silvering> PaulFertser : Ok… no idea how to do. Google will help me I hope
2015-11-11T17:11:01 < PaulFertser> mitrax: probably stlinkv2-1 works but you can't just upgrade stlinkv2 to that, or can you?
2015-11-11T17:11:14 < PaulFertser> Silvering: I'll find a patch that folks used.
2015-11-11T17:12:13 < PaulFertser> Silvering: with brew self-compiling openocd should be trivial.
2015-11-11T17:12:16 < mitrax> PaulFertser: ok... i have no clue about that particular problem, it's something that cause issues only with macOS?
2015-11-11T17:12:54 < PaulFertser> mitrax: yes, OS X upgrade made some devices inoperable.
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2015-11-11T17:13:26 < mitrax> great
2015-11-11T17:14:15 < PaulFertser> Silvering: the workaround is to edit src/jtag/drivers/stlink_usb.c and where it calls stlink_usb_version(h) do it twice in a row.
2015-11-11T17:15:02 < emeb> dongs: heh - BBC is all over zano.
2015-11-11T17:15:06 < PaulFertser> mitrax: it's not clear yet who's really to blame because so far nobody attached a hw usb analyzer to provide real debug info.
2015-11-11T17:15:13 < dongs> emeb, yep
2015-11-11T17:15:48 < emeb> "irreconcilable differences"
2015-11-11T17:16:06 < dongs> "I couldnt figure out how to make PIC32 record 1080p60 to sd card with 512k ram"
2015-11-11T17:16:14 < Taxman> does one know if there is already a SWD connector layout standard?
2015-11-11T17:16:20 < dongs> Taxman: yes
2015-11-11T17:16:32 < Taxman> great. how many pins?
2015-11-11T17:16:32 < dongs> Taxman: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2015-11-11T17:16:44 < Silvering> PaulFertser : Ok thx I'm looking for this file stlink_usb.c
2015-11-11T17:16:49 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2015-11-11T17:17:02 < dongs> Taxman: the standard is 1.27mm pitch 10pin, with ~3-4 pins used, rest gnd.
2015-11-11T17:17:12 < dongs> someone needs to add that url
2015-11-11T17:17:18 < dongs> to the cortes headerrs  thing
2015-11-11T17:17:21 < PaulFertser> Silvering: for your reference: https://github.com/libusb/libusb/issues/111
2015-11-11T17:17:23 < dongs> the arm.com one
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2015-11-11T17:19:12 < Taxman> dongs: Horrible lots of pins. i already used the Atmel/Altera 2x5 pin standard for  jtag ports of my STM32 boards
2015-11-11T17:19:50 < dongs> Taxman: then roll whatever the fuck you want, I've made boards with 4 pins 1.27mm pitch that are just vcc/swclk/swdat/gnd
2015-11-11T17:21:30 < Taxman> sounds to be a fuck good decision
2015-11-11T17:21:36 < PaulFertser> Taxman: swo is sometimes rather handy.
2015-11-11T17:21:37 < Silvering> PaulFertser : Sorry for the stupid question but I do not have this file "stlink_usb.c"
2015-11-11T17:21:50 < PaulFertser> Taxman: also, srst occassionally.
2015-11-11T17:22:11 < mitrax> Silvering: did you get openocd sources?
2015-11-11T17:22:16 < PaulFertser> Silvering: git clone the openocd sources, duh. Or ask brew to download and unpack, whatever you prefer.
2015-11-11T17:22:20 < Taxman> PaulFertser: I have to migrate to SWD because F0 does not have jtag
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2015-11-11T17:22:47 < Silvering> PaulFertser : I used this command line : brew install openocd --enable_ft2232_libftdi --enable_stlink
2015-11-11T17:22:48 < PaulFertser> Taxman: makes sense.
2015-11-11T17:23:06 < mitrax> Silvering: what he's suggesting is that you rebuild openocd from source with the change in the stlink_usb.c file
2015-11-11T17:23:14 < PaulFertser> Silvering: you do not need those options, they're meaningful. Also, not brew expert here but the idea is to use brew to help you build from the sources.
2015-11-11T17:23:28 < PaulFertser> Silvering: s/meaningful/meaningless/ in this context
2015-11-11T17:23:59 < mitrax> Silvering: either that or you get an already patched up binary for openocd
2015-11-11T17:24:40 < PaulFertser> Silvering: yes, you should ask the arm eclipse guy to add that as an additional patch, that would be nice for all OS X users until the real solution is found.
2015-11-11T17:25:17 < Silvering> PaulFertser, mitrax : Ok right understood
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2015-11-11T17:31:12 < dongs> karlp: ^ plz add http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf to https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
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2015-11-11T17:45:24 < karlp> dongs: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md better?
2015-11-11T17:47:41 < dongs> ayy lmao
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2015-11-11T17:48:07 < dongs> karlp: pretty sure the old "standard" was from ARM, too
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2015-11-11T18:06:49 < dongs> Yes, Zano has a PDM (Pulse Density Modulation) digital microphone. The
2015-11-11T18:06:49 < dongs> propellor noise will be an issue, however we will release in 2015 a functionality update
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2015-11-11T18:06:53 < dongs> to implement noise cancelling for the microphone so it can be used during flight.
2015-11-11T18:06:56 < dongs> haha
2015-11-11T18:07:01 < dongs> no.pdf is fucking hilarious
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2015-11-11T18:12:33 < dongs> o hai
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2015-11-11T18:14:18 < mtbg> all the features would be somewhat more possible to implement if there was more processing power
2015-11-11T18:14:31 < mtbg> that 4-core snapdragon seems enough
2015-11-11T18:16:28 < dongs> you gotta power it somehow
2015-11-11T18:16:40 < dongs> they don't have mr.fusion minituarized to that point yet.
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2015-11-11T18:17:13 < mtbg> even with 5W power consumption it still is significantly less than BLDC consumption
2015-11-11T18:17:13 < dongs> tho snapdonger  probably doens't idle @ 200mA unlike zano's bcollection of garbage...
2015-11-11T18:18:00 < mtbg> multicore would also decrease latency and reaction time if used properly
2015-11-11T18:18:35 < mtbg> they could have one whole core for low level control and processing, another for video processing, and third one for high level flight control
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2015-11-11T18:22:51 < ReadError> https://www.reddit.com/r/CucumbersScaringCats
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2015-11-11T18:29:22 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/qSOfDuL.gif
2015-11-11T18:34:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVKXknHaFc
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2015-11-11T18:37:20 < Steffann> Hoes the rockoon laurenceb?
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2015-11-11T18:37:40 < Laurenceb> waiting for parts
2015-11-11T18:38:08 < Steffanx> Oh explains everything :P
2015-11-11T18:39:08 < ReadError> Laurenceb did you know 2/3rds of people in yorkshire are overweight?
2015-11-11T18:39:36 < Laurenceb> no
2015-11-11T18:39:53 < ReadError> i been learning up on scamming of the dole
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2015-11-11T18:44:00 < Steffanx> Have more interesting interwebs statistics readerror? :)
2015-11-11T18:44:19 < ReadError> i learned this watching a show about scamming the dole
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2015-11-11T18:44:32 < ReadError> this fat bitch was complaining about how she has to pay for TV in the hospital
2015-11-11T18:45:01 < Laurenceb> thats unacceptable
2015-11-11T18:45:27 < Laurenceb> ReadError lives in UK??
2015-11-11T18:45:54 < Steffanx> Or bloggings about cnc?
2015-11-11T18:47:35 < ReadError> im not from the UK
2015-11-11T18:47:35 < englishman> is this similar to buying monster energy drink with foodstamps
2015-11-11T18:47:40 < Steffanx> I mean pick qnd place not cnc oops
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2015-11-11T19:31:23 < obnauticus> I'm trying to compile some stuff with spl v3.5 and I'm getting the following error that I am not exactly sure how to fix
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2015-11-11T19:31:56 < obnauticus> http://i.imgur.com/TRyQEDX.png
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2015-11-11T19:33:52 < Laurenceb> I've got an ic with a logic level input and built in 1.5k pulldown
2015-11-11T19:34:01 < Laurenceb> and another with an open collector output
2015-11-11T19:34:24 < Laurenceb> I want to pull up the logic level input when the open collector turns off - i.e. "high"
2015-11-11T19:34:47 < Laurenceb> but need <100nA current when the logic level input is low
2015-11-11T19:34:54 < Laurenceb> any ideas how to do this?
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2015-11-11T19:38:24 < jpa-> Laurenceb: nfet+pfet
2015-11-11T19:38:33 < Laurenceb> yeah but leakage?
2015-11-11T19:38:41 < Laurenceb> maybe dual CMOS not gate?
2015-11-11T19:38:48 < jpa-> just big pull-up resistor on the nfet
2015-11-11T19:39:03 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1882119.pdf
2015-11-11T19:39:04 < jpa-> hmm yeah, maybe easier to use a simple 1g buffer
2015-11-11T19:39:10 < Laurenceb> 10mA wtf
2015-11-11T19:39:15 < Laurenceb> *µ
2015-11-11T19:39:25 < Laurenceb> but that sort of thing
2015-11-11T19:45:18 < Laurenceb> or just an AND gate
2015-11-11T19:45:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1725577.pdf
2015-11-11T19:45:24 < Laurenceb> 1µA is more like it
2015-11-11T19:45:33 < jpa-> 1µA is not 100nA, though :)
2015-11-11T19:45:37 < Laurenceb> true
2015-11-11T19:45:46 < Laurenceb> but thats max at 5.5v
2015-11-11T19:45:53 < Laurenceb> I'm using 3.3v
2015-11-11T19:46:09 < Laurenceb> oh shit thats 5v logic, fail
2015-11-11T19:49:58 < kakimir> have you ever tried how much typical piezo speaker can take voltage?
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2015-11-11T19:51:19 < kakimir> I wonder if you run sonar kind of pulse
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2015-11-11T19:51:55 < mitrax> Laurenceb: what about https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/NC/NC7SVL04.pdf
2015-11-11T19:53:09 < Laurenceb> I'd need 2
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2015-11-11T19:54:43 < mitrax> NC7SVL08 then
2015-11-11T19:55:14 < Laurenceb> my voltage mnight go too high (single cell lipo)
2015-11-11T19:55:56 < Laurenceb> I'll try this
2015-11-11T19:55:57 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/88783.pdf
2015-11-11T19:56:56 < jpa-> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/NC/NC7SV126.pdf   is a buffer of the same series
2015-11-11T20:01:11 < jpa-> i think you might be able to use a N-type jfet also
2015-11-11T20:02:53 < __rob> STM32Cube :( just been bitten
2015-11-11T20:03:15 < mitrax> __rob?
2015-11-11T20:03:24 < __rob> their implementation of the cmsis_os osPoolAlloc() is broken
2015-11-11T20:03:34 < __rob> and I looked everywhere but their code
2015-11-11T20:03:51 < __rob> turns out its a dodgy implementation
2015-11-11T20:04:15 < mitrax> something broken in their code? noooo waay!
2015-11-11T20:04:19 < mitrax> :)
2015-11-11T20:04:44 < mitrax> __rob: that's the first place i look at now when something goes wrong
2015-11-11T20:04:57 < __rob> http://codepad.org/PZ7KJdVj
2015-11-11T20:05:00 < __rob> thsi is the function
2015-11-11T20:05:12 < __rob> currentIndex is set to the last allocated slot each time you allocate
2015-11-11T20:05:53 < __rob> but after it reaches the pool size, then if the [0] slot is not free, it stops allocating
2015-11-11T20:07:29 < __rob> quite worrying really
2015-11-11T20:10:20 < mitrax> __rob: how do you mean it stops allocating? it will keep iterating until it check all the slots
2015-11-11T20:10:27 < mitrax> errchecks
2015-11-11T20:10:28 < __rob> well..
2015-11-11T20:11:09 < __rob> for a queue size of say 8, if currentIndex = 7, then for all i (1,2,3..) in the loop, currentindex +1 will be greater than pool_sz. and index will be set to 0 for each iteration of the loop
2015-11-11T20:11:10 < mitrax> it starts at currentIndex and wraps around
2015-11-11T20:11:21 < __rob> so you end up just checking if markers[0] is free n times
2015-11-11T20:11:51 < mitrax> oh right
2015-11-11T20:13:06 < mitrax> should have been index -= pool_id->pool_sz;
2015-11-11T20:14:20 < __rob> or just current_index +i % pool_sz
2015-11-11T20:14:58 < mitrax> i think they had it implemented with a modulo in the first place
2015-11-11T20:15:13 < mitrax> then decided modulo was expensive or something and fucked up :)
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2015-11-11T20:15:26 < __rob> ohh, where do you see that?
2015-11-11T20:15:52 < __rob> or just a guess ?
2015-11-11T20:16:18 < mitrax> just a guess, but i bet that is it
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2015-11-11T20:19:27 < mitrax> ahaah
2015-11-11T20:19:29 < mitrax> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/STM32Java/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fpublic%2FSTe2ecommunities%2Fmcu%2FLists%2FSTM32Java%2FCube%20Firmware%20Error%20in%20osPoolAlloc%20function%20in%20cmsis_os.c&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D758000F9A0E3A95BA69146A17C2E80209ADC21&currentviews=36
2015-11-11T20:20:05 < Ecco> guys
2015-11-11T20:20:10 < Ecco> we were talking about dynamic allocation before
2015-11-11T20:20:19 < Ecco> and you said to pretty much not do it
2015-11-11T20:20:49 < Ecco> Question: is Java used on STM32s? If yes, how is memory managed?
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2015-11-11T20:25:43 < mitrax> Ecco: whether to use dynamic allocation or not really depends on how much ram you have... STM32 isn't any different than other cpu/mcu, for a Java VM it wouldn't be done any differently
2015-11-11T20:26:03 < Ecco> Indeed :)
2015-11-11T20:26:16 < Ecco> That was a broad quesiton indeed
2015-11-11T20:26:31 < mitrax> as i said earlier, you can mix both
2015-11-11T20:26:31 < Ecco> But my understanding is that Java only does dynamic allocation
2015-11-11T20:26:52 < Ecco> and that Java is actually used in production on some MCUs with limited memory (100KB)
2015-11-11T20:27:01 < __rob> ohh, good find mitrax
2015-11-11T20:27:02 < __rob> thanks
2015-11-11T20:29:06 < mitrax> Ecco: the java VM most likely does relocation and such to avoid fragmentation, but then again it's another layer on top
2015-11-11T20:29:30 < Ecco> Hmm, good point, Java probably can relocate
2015-11-11T20:30:08 < __rob> Ecco, you understand the problem with dynmaic allocation right ?
2015-11-11T20:30:17 < Ecco> well
2015-11-11T20:30:19 < __rob> there is nothing stopping you using it
2015-11-11T20:30:22 < Ecco> my understanding is two fold
2015-11-11T20:30:25 < __rob> just be aware
2015-11-11T20:30:35 < Ecco> 1/ Memory will fragment and fail at random time
2015-11-11T20:30:56 < Ecco> 2/ Reproducing memory exhaustion will therefore be complicated -> hard to debug
2015-11-11T20:31:04 < Ecco> am I missing something?
2015-11-11T20:31:24 < Ecco> (I meant "will fragment and allocation will fail at random time")
2015-11-11T20:31:25 < mitrax> Ecco: as i said earlier, nothing prevents you from using both fixed size buffers for critical stuff, and a heap
2015-11-11T20:31:32 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-11T20:32:33 < __rob> I would recommend using the cmsis_os pools packaged with stmcube
2015-11-11T20:32:38 < __rob> turns out thats a really bad idea
2015-11-11T20:32:43 < __rob> :D
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2015-11-11T20:38:07 < mitrax> Ecco: and possibly to allocate certain things from a heap when you know fragmentation will be kept low "by design", say you have a GUI with widgets and shit that you load from ROM, you can allocate those from a heap and, you know you can wipe everything when you switch to another "screen"
2015-11-11T20:44:53 < mitrax> Ecco: in some situation that saves you from the unecessary and slow deallocation of every block... of course that won't be much of an issue on a MCU with a tiny bit of ram, but look at some memory hungry desktop apps for example
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2015-11-11T20:45:14 < mitrax> Ecco: some will take fucking forever to shutdown just because of the hundred of thousands deallocation going on when you close the program
2015-11-11T20:45:29 < mitrax> Ecco: causing gazillions of page faults
2015-11-11T20:49:06 < Ecco> indeed
2015-11-11T20:49:32 < Ecco> On OS X, there's even a directive to speed up computer shutdown
2015-11-11T20:49:39 < Ecco> where apps are explicetly killed and not exited
2015-11-11T20:51:53 < mitrax> eheh yeah, usually i kill apps like 3DS max / illustrator or even firefox manually because of that
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2015-11-11T23:45:27 < kakimir> do you know what pressure typical ship packages can take?
2015-11-11T23:45:40 < kakimir> lets say we have fluid pressure around it
2015-11-11T23:48:16 < kakimir> there is propably some cavities inside that cause chip to fail under certain pressure
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2015-11-11T23:55:15 < mitrax> i'd be more concerned about the PCB breaking first :)
2015-11-11T23:55:40 < mitrax> since the surface area is much greater
2015-11-11T23:56:51 < kakimir> but does it have cavities in it?
2015-11-11T23:57:47 < kakimir> pressure around would be uniform fluid pressure
2015-11-11T23:58:24 < kakimir> or gas pressure
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2015-11-12T00:00:35 < mitrax> dunno about cavities... but rather than put it in direct contact with the fluid you'd be better off putting everything in an epoxy resin
2015-11-12T00:00:39 < mitrax> what is it?
2015-11-12T00:01:10 < kakimir> maybe
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2015-11-12T00:02:43 < kakimir> I think that thinner fluid would go under every component and stuff leaving no cavities there
2015-11-12T00:03:41 < mitrax> exposing the chips, pins etc to the fluid sounds like a bad idea
2015-11-12T00:04:06 < kakimir> good idea I think
2015-11-12T00:04:30 < kakimir> distled water
2015-11-12T00:04:33 < kakimir> how is that?
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2015-11-12T00:04:42 < mitrax> but what for? :)
2015-11-12T00:05:59 < kakimir> secret
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2015-11-12T00:58:45 < Laurenceb_> hmm antenna fun
2015-11-12T00:59:09  * Laurenceb_ is trying to fit a 868mhz antenna onto a 18mm diameter pcb
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2015-11-12T01:03:27 < mitrax> as a wire on the PCB?
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2015-11-12T01:03:52 < mtbg> more like inverted F
2015-11-12T01:04:01 < mtbg> maybe folded some more
2015-11-12T01:06:01 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of a loop
2015-11-12T01:06:09 < Laurenceb_> but it ends up with Q~1000
2015-11-12T01:06:14 < Laurenceb_> so a massive pita to tune
2015-11-12T01:06:23 < Laurenceb_> maybe this http://www.antenna-theory.com/antennas/patches/pifa.php
2015-11-12T01:06:41 < ds2> 1000 Q? good direction finder :D
2015-11-12T01:06:42 < Laurenceb_> but it would have to curve around the circumference
2015-11-12T01:14:39 < kakimir> why 18mm?
2015-11-12T01:15:02 < Laurenceb_> rocket diameter
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2015-11-12T01:17:15 < kakimir> wanna build bigger rockets?
2015-11-12T01:17:20 < Laurenceb_> no
2015-11-12T01:17:27 < kakimir> smaller?
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2015-11-12T01:19:14 < BrainDamage> are you going to tx directly to base station
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2015-11-12T01:19:21 < BrainDamage> or are you going to use the balloon as relay?
2015-11-12T01:19:28 < BMWMPower> Hi guys
2015-11-12T01:20:07 < BrainDamage> ( or even better, that weird lora balloon mesh network )
2015-11-12T01:20:08 < BMWMPower> I am using Eclipse GNU and OpenOCD and HAL drivers with STMCubeMX
2015-11-12T01:20:35 < BMWMPower> But my debugging keeps failing
2015-11-12T01:21:04 < BMWMPower> It compiles without errors
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2015-11-12T01:24:55 < BMWMPower> But debugging seems to stall... Its running but not flashing...
2015-11-12T01:25:29 < BMWMPower> No breakpoint (not on main) keeps giving iterrupt error
2015-11-12T01:27:51 < BMWMPower> "No source available for main()" error when debugging simple C++ in Eclipse with gdb
2015-11-12T01:30:45 < BMWMPower> Lora seems to be cool if you have a gateway
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2015-11-12T02:10:39 < Roklobsta> for the terminally couch bound.
2015-11-12T02:10:54 < Roklobsta> I wonder if they have a zano to race.
2015-11-12T02:11:29 < Roklobsta> How's the Zano meltdown?
2015-11-12T02:12:17 < Roklobsta> sweet
2015-11-12T02:12:34 < Roklobsta> the doofus aussie footballer merketing guy is left hlding his cock in his hand?
2015-11-12T02:12:50 < Roklobsta> heh. not the zano i was googling.  https://twitter.com/NICKZANO
2015-11-12T02:13:48 < Roklobsta> https://twitter.com/flyzano
2015-11-12T02:13:54 < Roklobsta> https://twitter.com/flyzano
2015-11-12T02:13:57 < Roklobsta> nothing since oct 15
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2015-11-12T02:50:53 < kakimir> snow raining, ground is white slush
2015-11-12T02:51:20 < ReadError> we call that skeet here
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2015-11-12T03:05:36 < upgrdman> nice alarm clock  http://i.imgur.com/JixhapC.gifv
2015-11-12T03:06:01 < aandrew> dongs: you're the one who got me using cubeshit for pin muxing
2015-11-12T03:06:08 < aandrew> I understand you select a function it selects pins
2015-11-12T03:06:10 < Roklobsta> kakimir: 20C sun is shining, windows open.
2015-11-12T03:06:31 < aandrew> how do you see what OTHER Pins a function can be mapped to? the pins it selected work but I think other pins might work better so I want to see what my options are
2015-11-12T03:07:20 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: i bet that alarm is run by an arduino.
2015-11-12T03:07:46 < upgrdman> wouldnt be surprised either
2015-11-12T03:16:57 < kakimir> upgrdman: female hacker?
2015-11-12T03:17:09 < upgrdman> no idea
2015-11-12T03:18:01 < ReadError> obviously a dude
2015-11-12T03:18:22 < dongs> aandrew: you just click them anbd get a list
2015-11-12T03:18:35 < dongs> i dont use the left-side treeview thing for stuff except initial basic setup
2015-11-12T03:18:37 < aandrew> who the fuck names I2S data pins x_sd and x_ext_sd
2015-11-12T03:18:54 < dongs> once you have the 2-3 peripherals like uart1/etc that arent moving around done, you can just pick pins individually for the stuff you want
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2015-11-12T03:19:03 < Sync> aandrew: designers
2015-11-12T03:19:04 < aandrew> dongs: yeah I know, but that means if I want ot know which pins I2S3_CK can be on I have to click on every fucking pin and check
2015-11-12T03:19:12 < dongs> yes
2015-11-12T03:19:15 < dongs> or look at datasheet
2015-11-12T03:19:16 < dongs> lolz.
2015-11-12T03:19:19 < aandrew> instead of clicking something and saying "I2C3_CK: available on X,Y,Z"
2015-11-12T03:19:20 < aandrew> yeah
2015-11-12T03:19:25 < aandrew> that's the fucking point of a pin mux tool
2015-11-12T03:19:27 < dongs> submit a bug report.
2015-11-12T03:19:39 < aandrew> lol
2015-11-12T03:21:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: what is that cheap audio driver you used for the little sample player?
2015-11-12T03:23:34 < dongs> lemme remember
2015-11-12T03:23:37 < dongs> PAM8301 or something
2015-11-12T03:23:39 < dongs> looking
2015-11-12T03:23:52 < dongs> ys that
2015-11-12T03:23:53 < dongs> my memory is good
2015-11-12T03:25:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXLzfAHl4-k about alarm clock
2015-11-12T03:26:53 < kakimir> why there is arduino inside
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2015-11-12T03:27:49 < kakimir> shiet.. she is living in the boat
2015-11-12T03:28:09 < emeb_mac> dongs: thx
2015-11-12T03:30:13 < dongs> it worked pretty good!
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2015-11-12T03:35:15 < emeb_mac> dongs: ordering 10x for some little noisemaker projects.
2015-11-12T03:35:20 < dongs> cool
2015-11-12T03:35:59 < emeb_mac> f042 + PT8211 + amp -> usb-powered annoyances
2015-11-12T03:37:48 < dongs> what was pt8211
2015-11-12T03:38:03 < dongs> o dac
2015-11-12T03:55:21 < emeb_mac> ya. very cheap stereo. almost i2s - "japanese format" :)
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2015-11-12T04:00:03 < yan_> anyone had luck using clang/llvm targetting cortex m3? what did you use for your stdlib?
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2015-11-12T04:24:46 < dongs> Well been saying it for a while but fuck this ZANO I will contact kickstarter like others and demand them to compensate since on the statement it says KICKSTARTER.com
2015-11-12T04:32:32 < dongs> 50 years of analog design experience in a handy e-book, Analog Engineer.s Pocket Reference.
2015-11-12T05:09:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, thanks for reminding me about my induction heater project. just swapped in a super low ESR motor cap and did a quick test:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_thermal_images.png
2015-11-12T05:09:41 < upgrdman> in a day or two i'll have to setup my water temp shit and run it longer until shit glows or melts
2015-11-12T05:09:49 < upgrdman> s/temp/pump
2015-11-12T05:10:27 < upgrdman> side note, i hope this type of cap doesn't fail catastrophically.
2015-11-12T05:19:19 < englishman> dongs, how is the moustache today
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2015-11-12T06:18:26 < upgrdman> i already tweeting that
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2015-11-12T06:27:16 < dongs> nobody will :(
2015-11-12T06:27:18 < dongs> so sad
2015-11-12T06:27:48 < upgrdman> did they fold yet?
2015-11-12T06:29:58 < yan_> hm can anyone point to a debug path of why USART is blockiing on usart_wait_recv_ready() if i can see bits flowing with a logic analyzer and the port is configured correctly because the stuff i send is sent on the tx line just fine
2015-11-12T06:30:04 < yan_> (stm32l151)
2015-11-12T06:30:31 < upgrdman> are do messed up on bitwise order of operations?
2015-11-12T06:30:42 < upgrdman> often need to use ()
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2015-11-12T06:37:28 < upgrdman> heh, sweet. dirtypcbs will do big board now. i can ten 200mm x 200mm boards for $96
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2015-11-12T06:56:38 < upgrdman> what's noteworthy about silicon capacitors? theyre fucking expensive   http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/IPDiA/935133427710-T3N/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuLTh2P1GOcHRtB7b1tHT2NG1w5vPvAxL4%3d
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2015-11-12T07:01:22 < dongs> probly some proudly made in america freedom garbage
2015-11-12T07:02:16 < dongs> 250°C requirements, high temperature
2015-11-12T07:02:16 < dongs> applications, such as military, aerospace,
2015-11-12T07:02:17 < dongs> automotive and downhole industries
2015-11-12T07:03:10 < dongs> its +- 2%
2015-11-12T07:03:15 < dongs> for entire temperature range
2015-11-12T07:03:29 < ds2> Small
2015-11-12T07:03:32 < dongs> where youre typical X7R shit is like +20-80
2015-11-12T07:03:51 < ds2> thought that was X5R?
2015-11-12T07:03:56 < dongs> shrugs
2015-11-12T07:03:59 < dongs> that might not be temperature either
2015-11-12T07:04:04 < dongs> mabe that waws voltage
2015-11-12T07:04:25 < ds2> one of the companies gave me a big pitch about it a few years ago
2015-11-12T07:04:30 < ds2> size is all I recall
2015-11-12T07:04:36 < dongs> size of wat?
2015-11-12T07:04:40 < dongs> that shit he linked is 1206
2015-11-12T07:04:41 < dongs> giant for 1uF
2015-11-12T07:05:33 < dongs> wtf ipdia is some french shite
2015-11-12T07:05:38 < dongs> i totally expected it ot be american
2015-11-12T07:06:21 < dongs> hm they have an actual fab
2015-11-12T07:06:29 < dongs> er foundry or wahtever
2015-11-12T07:06:37 < dongs> and packaging
2015-11-12T07:07:35 < dongs> ASPICS is a new generation of companion chip products specifically designed for use with active ICs. Based on silicon technology for passives, IPDiA designers work with IC manufacturers to optimize passive component parts in these applications.
2015-11-12T07:07:39 < dongs> aspics, lol
2015-11-12T07:08:08 < aandrew> X7R isn't +20/-80
2015-11-12T07:08:10 < aandrew> Y5V is
2015-11-12T07:08:22 < aandrew> X dielectrics aren't terrible
2015-11-12T07:08:25 < dongs> its neither +-2%
2015-11-12T07:08:26 < aandrew> I think they're +/-20
2015-11-12T07:08:32 < aandrew> dunno
2015-11-12T07:08:35 < dongs> which was the point i was trying to make
2015-11-12T07:08:44 < aandrew> if you need 2% on capacitance I think you've got some funky-ass application
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2015-11-12T07:17:51 < ds2> you meant 20/80%?
2015-11-12T07:18:03 < dongs> http://www.ipdia.com/index.php?page=our_products&cat_id=5 this is kinda cool i guess
2015-11-12T07:18:03 < ds2> thought you meant -20C to 80C temperature :D
2015-11-12T07:18:11 < dongs> ds2: yes
2015-11-12T07:18:51 < dongs> i think its +20%/-80% or something isnt it?
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2015-11-12T07:32:33 < bloated> maybe they intend for it eventually to be integrated into IC manufacturing process
2015-11-12T07:32:51 < dongs> well, most non-shitty places already do
2015-11-12T07:33:04 < bloated> those ICs cost $$$$
2015-11-12T07:33:21 < bloated> those capacitors are huge
2015-11-12T07:33:33 < bloated> only 1 layer
2015-11-12T07:45:33 < Rob235> ugh i hate reading for bullshit classes
2015-11-12T07:45:48 < jpa-> why do you take bullshit classes?
2015-11-12T07:45:53 < Rob235> core requirement
2015-11-12T07:45:59 < Rob235> stupid ethics class
2015-11-12T07:46:10 < jpa-> meh, 1 hour of reading and done
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2015-11-12T07:56:44 < Rob235> how dare you destroy my bitching with rationality
2015-11-12T07:58:54 < jpa-> because you students have it so easy, in real world yadda yadda!
2015-11-12T07:59:22 < emeb_mac> "when I was your age..."
2015-11-12T08:01:19 < emeb_mac> "the important thing was I had an onion on my belt..."
2015-11-12T08:01:30 < GargantuaSauce_> ever tried trimming your nails with an xacto knife?
2015-11-12T08:01:34 < GargantuaSauce_> it's exciting
2015-11-12T08:02:07 < emeb_mac> why do that when there are perfectly good fingernail clippers available.
2015-11-12T08:02:17 < emeb_mac> worst case I use a pair of diags
2015-11-12T08:02:42 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce_: no but i've tried trimming my skin
2015-11-12T08:02:58 < jpa-> 0/5 i don't recommend
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2015-11-12T09:36:45 < dongs> < technomancy> does arduino still only offer a download over unencrypted HTTP?
2015-11-12T09:36:46 < dongs> < technomancy> "it's for hobbyists; we don't have to care about security" ._.
2015-11-12T09:36:47 < dongs> what the fuck
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2015-11-12T09:40:47 < jpa-> "because if it is https it would totally be safe!"
2015-11-12T09:42:18 < dongs> < technomancy> dongs: at the time I asked, I wanted to see if a specific bug was fixed that was affecting some of the user of an OSS project I ran, and I only had my work computer.
2015-11-12T09:42:21 < dongs> < technomancy> with the kind of creds I had on that machine, running software downloaded over HTTP from a coffee shop would have been completely reasonable grounds for losing my job
2015-11-12T09:43:13 < PeterM> how bout you only use your work computer for work stuff then dickhead?
2015-11-12T09:43:27 < jpa-> running software made by tards is safe, though :)
2015-11-12T09:43:45 < jpa-> what work computer like that does not have vpn?
2015-11-12T09:43:57 < dongs> < dongs> i'd love to see your tinfoil hat collection
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2015-11-12T09:50:04 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer+Version+16.0
2015-11-12T09:52:47 < PeterM> 5323	Improve support for high-resolution screens (BC:1317).
2015-11-12T09:53:21 < dongs> The Design Rules Editor now shows which objects within the design are affected by the rule(s).
2015-11-12T09:53:24 < dongs> thats nice
2015-11-12T09:56:20 < dongs> huh they reset build count for 16.x
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2015-11-12T10:17:34 < dongs> huh
2015-11-12T10:17:43 < dongs> ST made a 1x1mm thing to replace 7 passives around NRF51822
2015-11-12T10:17:48 < dongs> balun + crap
2015-11-12T10:18:08 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM139/CL1806/SC1508/PF261169
2015-11-12T10:18:10 < dongs> just got spam from them
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2015-11-12T11:24:58 < artag> Nordic made a new design that reduces the passives around nrf52. not sure how much life there is in an nrf51 add-on
2015-11-12T11:34:33 < bloated> UV photoresist film is tacky on both sides ? I got some film and I can't figure out which side to put on the PCB.
2015-11-12T11:34:49 < bloated> (and neither side appears to be tacky)
2015-11-12T11:35:24 < bloated> (to touch)
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2015-11-12T12:08:12 < __rob2> bloated, think theres a film on both sides
2015-11-12T12:08:34 < __rob2> one that is peelable when you apply it, the other that comes off after you have exposed
2015-11-12T12:09:46 < jpa-> some photoresist films are iron-on
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2015-11-12T12:16:32 < __rob2> yea, but they have a peel off layer
2015-11-12T12:16:35 < bloated> __rob2: yes there are 3 layers. one outer layer is much thicker than the other outer layer. Which of those two do you remove to stick the film on the PCB ?
2015-11-12T12:16:36 < __rob2> before you iron
2015-11-12T12:16:50 < __rob2> i've used a laminator in the past for it, and thsi is how it was for me
2015-11-12T12:17:05 < __rob2> only one of them will come off easy
2015-11-12T12:17:14 < __rob2> thats the layer too peel
2015-11-12T12:17:18 < bloated> the thick one comes of easier (obviously)
2015-11-12T12:17:27 < __rob2> the other only peels easy after you've ironed on and exposed
2015-11-12T12:17:43 < bloated> it also shrinks when you try to iron it.
2015-11-12T12:17:52 < __rob2> yea, peel that one
2015-11-12T12:18:18 < __rob2> and give your copper a decent clean before you iron it
2015-11-12T12:18:46 < bloated> what's a decent clean ? does the surface need to be rough ? or is a chemical cleaning enough ?
2015-11-12T12:19:33 < bloated> some of the instructions on the net say you need to clean with an abrasive
2015-11-12T12:19:41 < bloated> which doesn't seem right to me
2015-11-12T12:19:41 < __rob2> yea, I've done that
2015-11-12T12:20:10 < __rob2> bit of iron wool worked for me - prob not ideal
2015-11-12T12:20:29 < __rob2> depends what your etching I guess
2015-11-12T12:21:02 < __rob2> if your trying to to tqfp stuff you cant have any rubbish on the copper
2015-11-12T12:21:24 < __rob2> or you'll find you get pads etched away where the film didn't stick properly
2015-11-12T12:21:40 < __rob2> but if its relatively big traces you might be ok
2015-11-12T12:24:54 < GargantuaSauce_> there should be no oxide and no skin oils or other residue on the copper
2015-11-12T12:25:05 < GargantuaSauce_> abrasive for the fomer, solvent for the latter
2015-11-12T12:28:48 < Laurenceb> 172. Posted Another product "controlled " by a telephone. When will this planet ever move on from the obsession with using mobiles for everything. Appalling signal strength, lag, etc. The drones that work best still use dedicated controllers designed for the job, and using radio waves which don't fail tge moment they have to pass through a piece of paper or something equally thin.
2015-11-12T12:28:50 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-11-12T12:30:47 < bloated> does anyone use gsm modems for the radio link to a drone ? seems like the only way (short of putting your own satellite into orbit) to do long range drone flights.
2015-11-12T12:31:19 < Laurenceb> nope
2015-11-12T12:31:22 < Laurenceb> just use 434mhz
2015-11-12T12:31:28 < Laurenceb> and a big yagi
2015-11-12T12:31:47 < bloated> that won't go farther than line of sight I think.
2015-11-12T12:32:00 < bloated> what if you're flying a drone in the city ?
2015-11-12T12:32:13 < Laurenceb> then use pre programmed gps
2015-11-12T12:32:35 < bloated> what's wrong with using a gsm modem ?
2015-11-12T12:32:39 < Laurenceb> lag
2015-11-12T12:33:05 < bloated> shouldn't be more than a few milliseconds ?
2015-11-12T12:33:18 < Laurenceb> not in my experience
2015-11-12T12:33:26 < bloated> how much is typical ?
2015-11-12T12:33:26 < Laurenceb> also you need a data mode
2015-11-12T12:33:30 < Laurenceb> ~100ms
2015-11-12T12:34:04 < Laurenceb> good enough for waypoint based control i guess
2015-11-12T12:34:36 < Laurenceb> tbh I dont know the easiest way to run data mode with gsm modem
2015-11-12T12:36:50 < GargantuaSauce_> altitude limits, dead zones
2015-11-12T12:37:08 < GargantuaSauce_> variable latency, expensive bandwidth
2015-11-12T12:37:09 < Laurenceb> yeah, you are lucky to get >300m
2015-11-12T12:37:30 < GargantuaSauce_> it'd be perfectly fine for telemetry or whatever, but certainly not realtime control
2015-11-12T12:37:30 < Laurenceb> there is a reason base stations have long thin vertical antenna
2015-11-12T12:37:58 < Laurenceb> to give very directed beam going out horizontally
2015-11-12T12:40:11 < karlp> because, you know, people don't fly much.
2015-11-12T12:40:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_T8t3eTdTw
2015-11-12T12:40:55 < GargantuaSauce_> then again i've been on regional flights and had cell reception the whole way there
2015-11-12T12:41:24 < Laurenceb> interesting
2015-11-12T12:41:30 < Laurenceb> I've only tried this over UK
2015-11-12T12:41:43 < Laurenceb> highest ever reception was 1000m iirc
2015-11-12T12:42:40 < karlp> GargantuaSauce_: wasn't pico/femto cell stuff on teh plane was it? I guess they would have advertised that as a feature if so?
2015-11-12T12:43:23 < GargantuaSauce_> this was on a little dash-8 or something so no
2015-11-12T12:43:29 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-11-12T12:43:32 < bloated> i recall reading something about base station software crashing due to a cellphone on a plane. apparently the sytem can't handle if if you go from one cell to the next and the next within seconds.
2015-11-12T12:43:36 < Laurenceb> dash-8 can fly quite low
2015-11-12T12:46:51 < GargantuaSauce_> yyg to yhz so not really any reason to climb to 10km or whatever
2015-11-12T12:48:13 < bloated> I hate that airport
2015-11-12T12:48:27 < bloated> 3 airport codes and nobody knows which one to use
2015-11-12T12:56:27 < PaulFertser> LOL http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/11/11/2114219/linux-ransomware-has-predictable-key-automated-decryption-tool-released
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2015-11-12T13:09:57 < karlp> PaulFertser: nice :)
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2015-11-12T13:10:25 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZlhxaT_Ko&feature=youtu.be (skip forward a bit to where he goes out to cut, around 2:20 or so)
2015-11-12T13:11:22 < PaulFertser> For those who doesn't follow a link, the malware used srand(time(NULL)), then rand() to generate the key, and you have a timestamp in encrypted file's metadata so you can replicate the result.
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2015-11-12T13:21:08 < PeterM> Laurenceb, phones work at pretty high altitudes, i've used a cellphone in an ultralight before a few times at 5000ft~ with no issues at all, and i'd say thats well above what id use an amatuer UAV at
2015-11-12T13:21:25 < Laurenceb> interesting
2015-11-12T13:21:40 < Laurenceb> lots of phones have been flown on balloons in the uk
2015-11-12T13:21:40 < GargantuaSauce_> certainly well above what you legally could
2015-11-12T13:21:48 < Laurenceb> nobody got >1km
2015-11-12T13:25:55 < ReadError> ya like every time i fly, my cellphone stops working ^.^
2015-11-12T13:28:37 < karlp> Laurenceb: well, 5000ft is only 1.5km...
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2015-11-12T13:43:13 < PeterM> it may also be that i'm from rural australia and tried this in rural australia, so my carreir uses the 850mhz band and their antenna arangement hay be different for extended coverage
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2015-11-12T13:44:35 < bloated> ReadError: how do you know that ? You're supposed to switch off your phone before the plane take off.
2015-11-12T13:45:08 < ReadError> 1) who does that
2015-11-12T13:45:08 < GargantuaSauce> if that rule is really to spare the horrible software in the cell infrastructure i am highly amused by this revelation
2015-11-12T13:45:16 < ReadError> 2) thats only when taking off and landing
2015-11-12T13:46:04 < PeterM> [21:43] <bloated> i recall reading something about base station software crashing due to a cellphone on a plane. apparently the sytem can't handle if if you go from one cell to the next and the next within seconds.
2015-11-12T13:46:11 < PeterM> i highly doubt that^
2015-11-12T13:46:27 < bloated> yeah I don't know if its true. Its just a story I heard.
2015-11-12T13:46:34 < GargantuaSauce> well it was probably one specific implementation that suffered from that
2015-11-12T13:47:01 < PeterM> if you are in an area with multiple cell sites around, and you walk behind something that is very effective at blocking the signal
2015-11-12T13:47:25 < PeterM> i think issues would crop up very quickly
2015-11-12T13:47:56 < GargantuaSauce> and all code is thoroughly tested outside a lab environment before it gets pushed to production right?
2015-11-12T13:48:53 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mjoose-100x-cell-signal-plus-2x-battery-life/ signaljoose more like signalJEWS amirite?
2015-11-12T13:49:24 < PeterM> even if it wasn't, you'd turn the cell site on and it'd crash the next cell over immediately and oyu'd notice that issue pretty quick
2015-11-12T13:49:48 < GargantuaSauce> dongs your twatter needs more vindictiveness imfho
2015-11-12T13:49:56 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: do tell
2015-11-12T13:50:04 < dongs> i have a twatter adviser and he's telling me to tone it down
2015-11-12T13:50:12 < dongs> i've got a few things i wanted to post on there rejected
2015-11-12T13:50:33 < GargantuaSauce> well tell him he's a candyass
2015-11-12T13:51:03 < dongs> no statement from dorquing yet, heh
2015-11-12T13:51:13 < dongs> bo chen (the guy who authored the ripoffreport) got back to me again
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2015-11-12T13:51:17 < dongs> with a "i told you so" email
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2015-11-12T13:52:13 < dongs> anyway, ivan is out of the picture for a while
2015-11-12T13:52:21 < dongs> 'and with google history like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=ivan%20reedman he won't be making any drones anytime soon
2015-11-12T13:53:27 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/oaJcSe6 japan/10
2015-11-12T13:53:57 < GargantuaSauce> most dead people won't be making much i think
2015-11-12T13:54:11 < dongs> ror
2015-11-12T13:54:16 < GargantuaSauce> if you google me i am dead also so
2015-11-12T13:54:46 < dongs> aw ripoffreport moved down
2015-11-12T13:54:49 < dongs> it was #1 result before
2015-11-12T13:54:49 < PeterM> if you google me i won the nobel prize for chemistry
2015-11-12T13:55:32 < jpa-> if you google me, people just want to stab me in the face
2015-11-12T13:55:51 < dongs> i thought that was just wolfmanjm
2015-11-12T13:56:05 < bloated> google says TDMA spec is written for a maximum vehicle speed of 250km/hr
2015-11-12T13:56:20 < bloated> but I guess if you exceed that you should get a call drop, not a base station crash
2015-11-12T13:56:32 < PeterM> jpa- im not getting that...
2015-11-12T13:57:02 < jpa-> PeterM: oh, too bad :(
2015-11-12T13:58:07 < GargantuaSauce> technical words in finnish are kind of terrifying
2015-11-12T13:58:14 < GargantuaSauce> your thesis scares me
2015-11-12T13:58:18 < bloated> I like the collars on their outfits. Makes everything so much more professional.
2015-11-12T14:00:41 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce: is it the little eyes on top of ä and ö that are constantly staring at you?
2015-11-12T14:00:52 < GargantuaSauce> no it's fucking words like reaaliaikak ¨ aytt ¨ oj¨ arjestelm ¨ an
2015-11-12T14:00:59 < GargantuaSauce> oh that did not copypaste well from the pdf viewer
2015-11-12T14:01:16 < jpa-> latex makes such an excellent pdf that one cannot even copypaste properly
2015-11-12T14:02:50 < PeterM> whats up with formatting in fucking datasheets
2015-11-12T14:03:16 < PeterM> you go to copypaste a line and somehow the line is split over 3 paragraphs, 2 columns and 5 fucking pages
2015-11-12T14:03:50 < dongs> thats cuz they use opensores trash to generate them
2015-11-12T14:04:56 < PeterM> goddamnit LT your chips dont cost mroe than the GDP of most african nations so you can use opensores shit to make your pdfs
2015-11-12T14:06:24 < Steffanx> Lol did i really miss the latest zano news :o
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2015-11-12T14:07:38 < dongs> zano is ded
2015-11-12T14:07:38 < Steffanx> *missed
2015-11-12T14:07:52 < dongs> reedman already updated his dicked-in profile
2015-11-12T14:07:56 < dongs> saying he left torquing
2015-11-12T14:08:02 < GargantuaSauce> location: yacht
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2015-11-12T14:30:55 < Sync> dongs: looks like the fps1000 uses the vita12 from onsemi
2015-11-12T14:30:59 < Sync> for the 4k shits
2015-11-12T14:31:06 < dongs> ah i duno wat my pal baked
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2015-11-12T14:31:11 < dongs> i dont think he upgraded to 4k thing
2015-11-12T14:31:21 < dongs> so its platnimum or someshit as originally
2015-11-12T14:32:52 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-12T14:32:59 < Sync> but apparently he changed the sensor shits
2015-11-12T14:34:19 < dongs> have they posted any non-fuzzy videos yet? :)
2015-11-12T14:34:27 < dongs> compressing soft focus stuff is easier than hard-focus
2015-11-12T14:38:01 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-12T14:39:11 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/889/400/b325ebd7ca8042fe43a4b10a1984cf30_original.JPG?v=1447264892&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=762aaa9a86e675ed4688ab1dbfbcaafd
2015-11-12T14:39:15 < dongs> ... lol
2015-11-12T14:39:34 < GargantuaSauce> not enough bgas
2015-11-12T14:39:51 < mitrax> "I have been speaking to someone who has been working with the Zano team in Wales - since Ivan has left it sounds as if everyone is also leaving. Nothing is being done - there is a company meeting today (Thursday) Reece is in Australia. It appears Ana has also left - not surprising."
2015-11-12T14:40:10 < mitrax> bwahaha
2015-11-12T14:40:22 < dongs> ownt
2015-11-12T14:40:33 < Sync> kek
2015-11-12T14:40:43 < Sync> reece the ex goalie
2015-11-12T14:41:13 < dongs> Sync: has he announced what new chip he switched to?
2015-11-12T14:41:20 < Sync> no
2015-11-12T14:41:23 < dongs> before it was F4 + that fpga shit then he picked some new 'secret' DSP
2015-11-12T14:41:26 < dongs> i guess some TI shit
2015-11-12T14:41:34 < Sync> well
2015-11-12T14:41:42 < Sync> I think it is still lattic fpga shit + f4
2015-11-12T14:41:45 < dongs> noi'
2015-11-12T14:41:46 < Sync> for the basic one
2015-11-12T14:41:56 < dongs> not according to update like last year or osmeshit
2015-11-12T14:41:58 < dongs> or early this year
2015-11-12T14:42:06 < Sync> didn't read through all that bloat
2015-11-12T14:43:07 < Sync> ah yeah there
2015-11-12T14:43:09 < Sync> mmh
2015-11-12T14:43:23 < karlp> what project is this?
2015-11-12T14:43:37 < Sync> fps1000
2015-11-12T14:43:38 < dongs> a dickstarter im moderately interestede in cuz if it succeeds im getting the cam
2015-11-12T14:43:49 < Sync> but yeah I suppose it is some ti shits
2015-11-12T14:43:54 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera
2015-11-12T14:44:05 < karlp> thanks
2015-11-12T14:44:16 < Sync> I mean, I'd get it instantly if he'd post some non shit vids
2015-11-12T14:44:20 < dongs> ;d
2015-11-12T14:47:03 < GargantuaSauce> jesus christ his demo videos are interlaced
2015-11-12T14:47:44 < dongs> interdonged
2015-11-12T14:47:45 < dongs> are tehy?
2015-11-12T14:47:53 < GargantuaSauce> at least the teapot one is
2015-11-12T14:48:54 < dongs> how can yo utell
2015-11-12T14:49:30 < dongs> cuz it looks blocky in fullscreen at 4k?
2015-11-12T14:49:35 < dongs> i think thats just shitty vimeo player
2015-11-12T14:49:39 < dongs> or dickstarter player or watever
2015-11-12T14:49:44 < GargantuaSauce> yeah probably just shitty reencode
2015-11-12T14:50:13 < Sync> still
2015-11-12T14:51:22 < GargantuaSauce> https://i.imgur.com/KI02itP.jpg
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2015-11-12T14:51:25 < GargantuaSauce> garbage
2015-11-12T14:51:41 < dongs> hah
2015-11-12T14:51:53 < dongs> ugh, rain completely fucking ruins 32APSK
2015-11-12T14:51:56 < dongs> i need a bigger dish
2015-11-12T14:52:16 < zyp> put an umbrella on top of your dish
2015-11-12T14:52:21 < dongs> good plan
2015-11-12T14:52:22 < dongs> !!!
2015-11-12T14:52:23 < GargantuaSauce> in what band?
2015-11-12T14:52:32 < dongs> Ku
2015-11-12T14:53:05 < BrainDamage> a radome is a dish umbrella in a way
2015-11-12T14:53:14 < dongs> dumb japs should just use 8PSK and H264, half the bandwidth with same video quality
2015-11-12T14:53:24 < GargantuaSauce> hevc plz
2015-11-12T15:04:28 < dongs> nice
2015-11-12T15:04:34 < dongs> fucked around wiht antenna on teh roof
2015-11-12T15:04:41 < dongs> got 14.2dB during rain
2015-11-12T15:04:57 < dongs> that should be enough
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2015-11-12T15:43:22 < Getty> someone has a genius idea what would be a good start direction to bring kids to IT?
2015-11-12T15:44:07 < Getty> the kids of my friend (twins actually) are coming into an age where they actually can understand things ;) and i am thinking about how a good base in these days would look like
2015-11-12T15:44:49 < Getty> i actually thought about that bringing them near electronics and show them how combined things bring on new effects, could be the best base
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2015-11-12T15:45:02 < Laurenceb> Getty: send them to 4chan and tell them to ask for help
2015-11-12T15:45:06 < Getty> hahahahaha
2015-11-12T15:49:06 < mitrax> Getty: imho it's more about a natural curiosity for how things work... either you have it from a young age or you don't
2015-11-12T15:49:21 < Getty> mitrax: yeah exactly, the question is how i can trigger this best?
2015-11-12T15:49:41 < Getty> to be honest, it was easier 10 years ago, when we didnt had cloud/apps/mobile which are like 10-20 steps further into the situation
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2015-11-12T15:52:40 < GargantuaSauce> give em a c64
2015-11-12T15:52:40 < mitrax> well maybe you can get them to visit your home 'workshop' if you have one
2015-11-12T15:53:49 < BrainDamage> are you seriously suggesting him bring the kids to the 'workshop'?
2015-11-12T15:54:21 < GargantuaSauce> well put a curtain in front of the dildo shelf first
2015-11-12T15:54:34 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-12T15:55:21 < mitrax> Getty: how old are they?
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2015-11-12T16:03:15 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_models_who_died_during_their_careers_in_the_21st_century
2015-11-12T16:03:18 < dongs> who maintains this shit ffs
2015-11-12T16:03:30 < dongs> fucking assburgers
2015-11-12T16:03:35 < Steffanx> You?
2015-11-12T16:03:43 < dongs> nope
2015-11-12T16:03:44 < dongs> not me.
2015-11-12T16:04:30 < Steffanx> Wifecop?
2015-11-12T16:04:36 < Sync> kek
2015-11-12T16:04:46 < Sync> I like how the russian model got killed in a carjacking
2015-11-12T16:05:56 < Getty> mitrax: imagine "as young as possible"
2015-11-12T16:06:03 < Getty> mitrax: they are still shitting their pants ;)
2015-11-12T16:06:28 < Laurenceb> funniest thing about wikipedia is all the pr0n pages
2015-11-12T16:06:37 < mitrax> Getty: no need to rush it then :p
2015-11-12T16:06:45 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_Lane
2015-11-12T16:06:57 < Laurenceb> Her career is supported and managed by her parents, with whom she lives in an apartment
2015-11-12T16:07:09 < Getty> mitrax: yeah but i can start thinking about how i start ;)
2015-11-12T16:09:20 < Laurenceb> lulz  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37XnvmqcZII
2015-11-12T16:09:33 < Laurenceb> "At some point, she will probably try to get pregnant.  That way she can have a daughter that she can pimp out when she gets older."
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2015-11-12T16:13:27 < mitrax> Getty: but frankly, besides giving them construction toys, learning kits or stuff to disassemble at some point, there's not much else you can do
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2015-11-12T16:15:59 < ehsanv> hi, why sometimes my program in stm32f103ret6 runs really slowly? as i use lcd i can see it and it's really annoying. if i use external oscillator instead of xtal, can i get better performance and none of this slowing issues?
2015-11-12T16:16:30 < Sync> did you configure the pll?
2015-11-12T16:21:48 < ehsanv> Sync: yes, at run time
2015-11-12T16:22:16 < Sync> at which speed is it supposed to run?
2015-11-12T16:22:23 < Sync> and did you verify that it runs at said speed?
2015-11-12T16:23:02 < ehsanv> 8mhz xtal 9 multiplier
2015-11-12T16:24:54 < mitrax> ehsanv: is it slow only at times during your program execution or is it permanent after startup?
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2015-11-12T16:33:01 < ehsanv> mitrax: gets slow after a couple of hours until i restart it manually
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2015-11-12T16:42:24 < jubatus> how do you know its running slow ?
2015-11-12T16:42:29 < jubatus> what's the exact symptom
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2015-11-12T16:48:46 < mitrax> ehsanv: are you sure that it's not interrupt related? e.g an interrupt that you enabled that only occurs rarely and that you don't handle properly (i.e a flag you forgot to clear or something causing it to retrigger), or if you use an RTOS a thread that gets stuck in an infinite loop wasting cpu cycles?
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2015-11-12T16:51:15 < mitrax> ehsanv: if you suspect it's clock related you can enable RCC / CSS interrupts and see if it's an external clock failure which caused it to fallback to HSI, switch on a led on the interrupt or display something on the LCD
2015-11-12T17:01:32 < ehsanv> jubatus: i see it, it's loading pics very slowly(after a couple of hours as i said)
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2015-11-12T17:03:56 < ehsanv> mitrax: i have 4 of the same board now that 1 of them working more than two weeks without any problem and 3 of them had issues. i changed my pull-up resistors for microsd from 10k to 51k and one of them to 4.7k (to test) and that one with 4.7k get slow and shutdown completely
2015-11-12T17:05:10 < ehsanv> and then after restart i found no picture on my lcd, and debug it and saw that stm hangs on portc initialization (the same port that connects to sdcard)
2015-11-12T17:05:18 < ehsanv> rare problems though :|
2015-11-12T17:05:46 < ehsanv> and boards with 51k res on them still working, but one of them slows down :(
2015-11-12T17:06:16 < ehsanv> i don't know, maybe it's because all my stm32 micros are from china, and they're not original probably
2015-11-12T17:06:32 < ehsanv> seems no one here face the same problme
2015-11-12T17:10:13 < karlp> you're also not describing it particularly well, you're trying to chase all your problems at once, instead of just working on one issue at a time and describing just your debugging for that one problem.
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2015-11-12T17:21:51 < jubatus> ehsanv: its very likely your misdiagnosing your problem.
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2015-11-12T17:24:31 < ehsanv> so what do you suggest? i'm really confused
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2015-11-12T17:26:18 < jubatus> remove as much code as you can. simplify the system as much as possible while the problem still occurs.
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2015-11-12T17:45:53 < dongs> This may get a bit geeky but I.ll explain a little RF basics if that is ok.
2015-11-12T17:45:59 < dongs> fucking reedman
2015-11-12T17:46:31 < dongs> However, for Zano, bandwidth isn.t so critical as range might be and the range tests we have done at 2km where using 802.11b at 11mbps and >87% signal strength.
2015-11-12T17:46:35 < dongs> > 2km
2015-11-12T17:46:48 < jadew`> lol
2015-11-12T17:47:37 < dongs> Zano has all the native intelligence built in. Without a high resolution local positioning system those sorts of precise movements are not possible. However in saying that, Zano.s have loads of sensors other UAV.s don.t and with a LPS (local positioning system) which could be supported by swapping out the local GPS, Zano could perform those functions entirely autonomously following nothing more than a script of desired movements like choreography for dancers.
2015-11-12T17:48:06 < mitrax> ahahaha
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2015-11-12T17:48:24 < dongs> <ivan> Zano has an onboard battery temperature sensor so even if the battery is warm, Zano will still charge but at tiny currents and as the battery cools, the current will adjust. This is totally automatic and has been designed to suit lithium polymer battery chemistry.
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2015-11-12T17:48:33 < dongs> <reality> I found a lipo charger IC on digikey
2015-11-12T17:49:22 < dongs> Everything about Zano is more like your modern smart phone than an RC Quad. Zano is intelligent, monitors its own weight, air temp, compensates for the speed of sound based on air temp for calibration of the sonar etc etc.
2015-11-12T17:49:28 < dongs> On top of that the electronics are different to that of other quads the same size as Zano. We have special characteristics built into the hardware to prolong motor life and flight time.
2015-11-12T17:51:34 < dongs> We are even going to be providing nice clear Acrylic display cases for Zano through the www.flyzano.com store for those who want to display their Zano for all to see but to stop sticky fingers from meddling.
2015-11-12T17:51:39 < dongs> lmaoooo
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2015-11-12T17:52:17 < jpa-> acrylic display case vs. greasy fingers.. i know which would win
2015-11-12T17:53:11 < dongs> Regarding our flight time vs that of others. There are two reasons behind this. Firstly, not all batteries are created equal. As an R&D firm, we research everything first and that includes batteries. With our Military UAV.s we did extensive testing on batteries from 15 different manufacturers and all but two consistently failed to deliver their stated capacity when used in a UAV with high discharge.
2015-11-12T17:53:49 < dongs> There bigger and more expensive UAV.s and Zano, use filtering to even out the load on the battery which does have a noticeable albeit small impact of flight time. Zano does one thing more and switches motors out of phase to each other to further even out battery load and prolong the capacity of the battery to deliver.
2015-11-12T17:53:55 < dongs> dat filtering
2015-11-12T17:53:57 < dongs> so pro
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2015-11-12T17:55:35 < dongs> production Swift is very different to Zano. Ceramic components, high temperature substrates, conformal coating, higher performance motors and much more expensive too
2015-11-12T17:59:01 < jubatus> how did the people who run kickstart not do something as basic as verifying these people's past military uav work ?
2015-11-12T17:59:15 < jubatus> does kickstart have any staff to do such things ?
2015-11-12T17:59:40 < karlp> why should they?
2015-11-12T18:00:21 < jubatus> they're taking millions of dollars from the public, they would have some legal obligation to do due diligence
2015-11-12T18:00:28 < jubatus> (I think)
2015-11-12T18:00:38 < dongs> they're cleared themselves of all those things.
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2015-11-12T18:01:31 < englishman> why, all that background checking gets in teh way of the millions
2015-11-12T18:02:19 < dongs> Hey Larry. Are you being a softy and buying your wife a Zano? You could even have the case embroided with the year and type of wedding anniversary, be it silver, golden etc :-) Properly Geek out ;-)
2015-11-12T18:03:17 < dongs> Regarding running a controller on a desktop, server etc. Absolutely. We have a fully html5 and css3 user interface for one of our UAV.s running on a PHP backend on a LAMP (Linux Apache, MySQL PHP) server. This uses the SDK to render an entire dynamic and smooth UI for your browser.
2015-11-12T18:13:21 < karlp> dongs: zano's over dude, why are you going back and reading the early stuff again?
2015-11-12T18:13:26 < dongs> sorry ;p
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2015-11-12T18:21:53 < upgrdman_> cleaning up some more shit code. every time i refactor some, i end up getting fucked over by stupid shit. WHY is the code that initializes some GPIOs only used for one SPI peripheral is some random file that writes to RTC registers.
2015-11-12T18:22:28 < upgrdman_> so fucking aggrevativing.
2015-11-12T18:23:44 < artag> is it ST code ?
2015-11-12T18:24:00 < dongs> no i think its his shitwork LPC code
2015-11-12T18:24:34 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-12T18:24:37 < upgrdman_> lpc1768 trash
2015-11-12T18:24:53 < artag> the ST code was clearly written by some FAE with no clue and too much time
2015-11-12T18:25:00 < upgrdman_> fae?
2015-11-12T18:25:08 < artag> feild app eng
2015-11-12T18:25:18 < upgrdman_> fap engineer. gotcha.
2015-11-12T18:25:21 < dongs> and cube, too
2015-11-12T18:25:22 < artag> ie salesman
2015-11-12T18:28:35 < upgrdman_> cubesman
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2015-11-12T18:47:46 < mitrax> what's the proper way to restart a running timer on STM32? say i'm in upcounting mode and i haven't reached the count stored in ARR yet and want to restart from 0, can i write 0 directly to TIMx_CNT or do i have to reset CR1 CEN, change the value then set the CEN bit again?
2015-11-12T18:58:31 < Laurenceb> timecube
2015-11-12T19:05:28 < jpa-> mitrax: what does the refman say, can you write to CNT when timer is enabled?
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2015-11-12T19:07:25 < mitrax> jpa-: it doesn't say
2015-11-12T19:07:58 < mitrax> jpa-: or if it does i have yet to find where
2015-11-12T19:09:17 < jpa-> then you can, i would assume
2015-11-12T19:09:25 < jpa-> usually it says next to register if you cannot write it
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2015-11-12T19:12:38 < mitrax> okay thanks
2015-11-12T19:16:52 < Getty> my friend has no spam in his gmail account...... i don't know what to say
2015-11-12T19:17:28 < mitrax> Getty: eh?
2015-11-12T19:17:46 < Getty> yeah, like he doesnt get any spam..... nothing.... all his emails are totally valid stuff
2015-11-12T19:18:03 < Getty> which is totally shocking me... thats like... unbelievable
2015-11-12T19:19:15 < mitrax> that just means he has no friend :)
2015-11-12T19:20:43 < mitrax> the more contact you have, the more likely you'll end up in spammers list, sooner or later one gets infected by a virus that collects his/her address book
2015-11-12T19:24:33 < Getty> he is a youtube channel owner and he is on twitter, he is not using facebook tho, and just started to use steam
2015-11-12T19:25:04 < mitrax> yeah but is his email public?
2015-11-12T19:25:46 < mitrax> i mean, does he publish his gmail address somewhere on youtube / twitter whatever?
2015-11-12T19:26:06 < Getty> not really, but i doubt he did a huge afford to keep it secret
2015-11-12T19:26:07 < upgrdman_> gmail spam filters is pretty good for me. i ~never see spam in my inbox.
2015-11-12T19:26:17 < upgrdman_> sometimes it filters good email as spam though.
2015-11-12T19:26:30 < Getty> but even without having it public, its feel unbelievable, his gmail account name is also 1:1 his twitter name and his youtube channel name
2015-11-12T19:26:39 < upgrdman_> maybe 1 email a two months is falsely flagged.
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2015-11-12T19:55:01 < mitrax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za54_iYGXeo&t=0m40s
2015-11-12T19:55:04  * mitrax grins
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2015-11-12T20:11:16 < mitrax> okay okay it's bad to kick a man when he's down
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2015-11-12T20:36:45 < Laurenceb> talking of men
2015-11-12T20:36:47 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34799692
2015-11-12T20:37:44 < aandrew> that's not a man, baby
2015-11-12T20:42:01 < mitrax> WHAT
2015-11-12T20:42:04 < mitrax> 8 years? fuck
2015-11-12T20:42:21 < aandrew> you want to be a dick? you get hard time
2015-11-12T20:42:25 < Laurenceb> ur in jail dude
2015-11-12T20:43:23 < mitrax> "The pair went on to spend more than 100 hours in each other's company in hotels and the victim's flat." and she didn't figure it out back then? come on
2015-11-12T20:50:14 < englishman> haha jan 2014
2015-11-12T20:51:42 < englishman> lol this vid mitrax
2015-11-12T20:51:47 < englishman> havent seen it before
2015-11-12T20:52:13 < Laurenceb> oh god its ivan reedman
2015-11-12T20:54:25 < Steffanx> it harry potter.
2015-11-12T20:54:34 < Steffanx> *it's
2015-11-12T20:57:01 < mitrax> "we specialize in turning around very complex digital electronics embedded system in very short periods of time" ... suuuure!
2015-11-12T20:57:28 < Steffanx> it was too complex, more like impossible...
2015-11-12T20:58:20 < mitrax> Steffanx: yes but then you see on his linkedlin page " I love being told what I'm doing is impossible" :)
2015-11-12T20:58:40 < Steffanx> oh lol
2015-11-12T20:58:47 < Steffanx> Such smart arse
2015-11-12T20:59:05 < mitrax> and i'm not making this up, https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ivan-reedman-7b159237
2015-11-12T21:00:11 < Sync>  I code directly in assembly language, and yes, I count clock cycles to optimise everything I do!
2015-11-12T21:10:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVnVpMHlUSy1ZZzg/view?usp=docslist_api it's actually a cradle
2015-11-12T21:11:15 < kakimir> low quality alert
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2015-11-12T21:22:36 < Ecco> LOL
2015-11-12T21:22:43 < Ecco> I have a contact in common with that Ivan dude :)
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2015-11-12T21:26:19 < Roklobsta> I've had fantastic bosses of R&D in the past. What experience did Ivan have doing engineering and R&D?
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2015-11-12T21:30:33 < englishman> 87 years military hardware development
2015-11-12T21:31:26 < Steffanx> He invented time travelling because people say its impossible and stuff?
2015-11-12T21:32:52 < Sync> well he was employed in his own company for 7 years
2015-11-12T21:32:54 < mitrax> Steffanx: yeah he did, with a PIC32
2015-11-12T21:33:28 < Sync> At 14 he registered himself as a business under the name Torquing. He worked as a digital forensics specialist and an expert witness
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2015-11-12T21:33:32 < Sync> pro
2015-11-12T21:33:43 < englishman> Torquing himself was his hobby at the time
2015-11-12T21:34:43 < mitrax> gah i can't find that video dongs posted
2015-11-12T21:35:09 < Sync> The robotics division develops assembly line, mine detection and surveillance robots using Reedman’s software know-how.
2015-11-12T21:35:11 < Laurenceb> lol torquing himself
2015-11-12T21:35:12 < Sync> WAT
2015-11-12T21:35:18 < Laurenceb> torquing himself off
2015-11-12T21:35:23 < Sync> ^
2015-11-12T21:36:02 < mitrax> one from 3 or 4 years ago where he talks about his super advanced "military UVAs"
2015-11-12T21:36:36 < mitrax> with 3D mapping capability, so that SWAT teams and such can get a map of a building really quickly
2015-11-12T21:37:40 < mitrax> he's so full of shit it's embarassing, even the guy who interviews him doesn't seem to believe the claims he makes
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2015-11-12T21:38:16 < Tectu> wait, what are we talking about?
2015-11-12T21:38:24 < mitrax> Tectu: guess :)
2015-11-12T21:38:27 < Tectu> zano?
2015-11-12T21:38:30 < zyp> Tectu, you
2015-11-12T21:38:39 < mitrax> oh fuck he's here
2015-11-12T21:38:39 < mitrax> shhhh
2015-11-12T21:38:44 < Tectu> hah
2015-11-12T21:38:55 < Tectu> so what is that? zano aftermath?
2015-11-12T21:38:57 < mitrax> Tectu: yes zano :)
2015-11-12T21:39:05 < mtbg> what, none of you ever torqued himself?
2015-11-12T21:39:07 < Tectu> now everybody wants to inverview that UK guy who did zano?
2015-11-12T21:39:10 < Steffanx> Yeah, ##stm32 is still not done with zano
2015-11-12T21:39:20 < Tectu> I though he retired or something
2015-11-12T21:39:24 < Tectu> now he does fancy SWAT stuff, what?
2015-11-12T21:39:28 < Tectu> he can´tget a fucking zano done
2015-11-12T21:39:31 < Steffanx> he quit that's something else
2015-11-12T21:39:35 < Tectu> (not that it would have been possible with those specs, but still)
2015-11-12T21:39:39 < mitrax> Tectu: no no, i'm talking about a video from 3 or 4 years ago
2015-11-12T21:39:45 < Tectu> ooh
2015-11-12T21:40:02 < mitrax> Tectu: where he makes ridiculous claims about stuff he supposedly made
2015-11-12T21:40:16 < Tectu> mitrax, link?
2015-11-12T21:40:34 < mitrax> i can't find it, hold on let me check my logs
2015-11-12T21:42:41 < mitrax> ah there it is
2015-11-12T21:42:43 < mitrax> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/SQ-4-RECON-Micro-UAV-AUVSI-Unma
2015-11-12T21:44:30 < Tectu> ´´it is designed for building penetration´´
2015-11-12T21:44:32 < Tectu> that wording...
2015-11-12T21:44:32 < Sync> C4i helmet-mounted neural interface control system
2015-11-12T21:44:34 < Sync> KEK
2015-11-12T21:44:41 < Sync> if not topkek
2015-11-12T21:46:35 < Tectu> hmm, the sonar sensors have better resolution than 1mm. is that a thing?
2015-11-12T21:46:49 < Tectu> I always thought that this sonar crap is ~3mm
2015-11-12T21:46:58 < Steffanx> 3cm ? :P
2015-11-12T21:47:03 < BrainDamage> increase freq and you increase resolution
2015-11-12T21:47:19 < Steffanx> decrease range?
2015-11-12T21:47:24 < BrainDamage> yep
2015-11-12T21:47:42 < Roklobsta> ivan is australian. i forgot...
2015-11-12T21:47:55 < Steffanx> Always the same story with those aussies
2015-11-12T21:48:30 < Roklobsta> wow what a baloney mockup.
2015-11-12T21:49:07 < Roklobsta> good find.  i hope dongs posted it to where all the zano backers can see it.
2015-11-12T21:49:16 < englishman> torquing, penetration, no wonder dongs loves this guy
2015-11-12T21:49:23 < Steffanx> didnt we see this video like ages ago?
2015-11-12T21:49:41 < Roklobsta> what is dongs' blog url anyway?
2015-11-12T21:49:43 < Steffanx> When zano was anounced and stuff
2015-11-12T21:49:48 < Steffanx> noflyzano.com
2015-11-12T21:50:04 < Steffanx>  and ##stm32  Roklobsta
2015-11-12T21:50:11 < Roklobsta> yesyes
2015-11-12T21:50:55 < englishman> mitrax: lololo another video where hes full of shit from years ago
2015-11-12T21:51:09 < englishman> 3d mapping with those shitty china ultrasonic sensors??????
2015-11-12T21:51:13 < Roklobsta> I come here for the black humour and schadenfreude NOT anything technical.
2015-11-12T21:51:32 < Steffanx> did you ever touch a stm32 Roklobsta?
2015-11-12T21:51:57 < Roklobsta> yes i have a diuscovery board in front of me
2015-11-12T21:52:20 < Roklobsta> i turned it on once too.
2015-11-12T21:52:33 < mitrax> "the drone creates a sonar bubble, so it's got full spatial awareness of all the objects, people, doors etc. and if you're trying to fly through a window or a door it will actually align itself to the door frame and fly straight through the middle, it does all of that autonomously"
2015-11-12T21:52:34 < Steffanx> and then you went back to tarduino?
2015-11-12T21:53:20 < englishman> wow that prototype flies better than zano
2015-11-12T21:53:24 < mitrax> "you can even put it in automatic mapping mode where it will fly around rooms and send you back 3D imagings of the entire inside of a building"
2015-11-12T21:53:25 < englishman> probably because tis a v929 with a plastic shell
2015-11-12T21:53:32 < mtbg> "To say I am devastated pales when compared to what I am feeling," his statement said.
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2015-11-12T21:54:05 < mtbg> zano not only disappointed people
2015-11-12T21:54:17 < mtbg> it managed to break a man
2015-11-12T21:54:34 < Laurenceb> I sense a country and western song coming on
2015-11-12T21:54:49 < mitrax> zano blues?
2015-11-12T21:54:59 < Steffanx> Laurenceb can you sing?
2015-11-12T21:55:00 < Laurenceb> once upon a time in the zano
2015-11-12T21:55:50 < Roklobsta> Steffanx: no i got lost in the bullshit here.
2015-11-12T21:56:00 < Steffanx> i can help you out Roklobsta
2015-11-12T21:56:12 < zyp> Steffanx, you don't have to be able to sing to do it
2015-11-12T21:56:13 < Steffanx> Just say the magic words
2015-11-12T21:56:18 < zyp> speaking of personal experience
2015-11-12T21:56:28 < Roklobsta> pppppplease help me Steffanx
2015-11-12T21:56:29 < Steffanx> but i need help imagining what it sounds like.. that song
2015-11-12T21:56:40 < englishman> zyp
2015-11-12T21:56:43 < englishman> when did you get here
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2015-11-12T21:56:47 < englishman> we have important questions for you
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2015-11-12T21:57:09 < zyp> englishman, dunno, I've been busy lately
2015-11-12T21:57:11 < Roklobsta> that felt good.
2015-11-12T21:57:18 < Steffanx> i know right.
2015-11-12T21:57:25 < englishman> you are one of the precious few to have seen timecop in person and not yet died of aids
2015-11-12T21:57:28 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPtMWkFlV-4
2015-11-12T21:57:31 < englishman> can you verify this is him
2015-11-12T21:58:23 < Steffanx> pray.. hah sure.
2015-11-12T21:58:33 < zyp> no, he's a 13 year old girl
2015-11-12T21:59:19 < Steffanx> Aren't we all?
2015-11-12T21:59:21 < Laurenceb> 3 jp's were interviewed before this, the best they could muster was きれいいいいいですねええええええ
2015-11-12T21:59:27 < Laurenceb> I think hes behind the camera
2015-11-12T21:59:42 < Steffanx> it would have been in 4k in that case.
2015-11-12T21:59:43 < Roklobsta> even with vol max i can't hear a thing
2015-11-12T22:00:22 < englishman> ReadError did some sleuthing http://i.imgur.com/MUUTEqQ.jpg
2015-11-12T22:00:39 < englishman> but we need norweegians to confirm/deny
2015-11-12T22:00:43 < mitrax> AHA!
2015-11-12T22:00:53 < mitrax> is that dong?
2015-11-12T22:01:13 < ReadError> nah think he said it wasnt ;(
2015-11-12T22:01:14 < Laurenceb> where is the other shot from?
2015-11-12T22:01:20 < Laurenceb> too old
2015-11-12T22:01:22 < Sync> wat
2015-11-12T22:01:44 < Steffanx> lolol englishman really :D
2015-11-12T22:01:45 < mitrax> that guy seems too gentle to be dong
2015-11-12T22:02:40 < Steffanx> After you know what Laurenceb is in real life you will believe everything mitrax
2015-11-12T22:02:41 < Roklobsta> this reminds me of dongs maybe 20 years ago.  http://www.somethingawful.com/hosted/jeffk/
2015-11-12T22:03:00 < mitrax> ahahah jeffk :D
2015-11-12T22:03:11 < Roklobsta> notto
2015-11-12T22:03:18 < Laurenceb> wtf lul
2015-11-12T22:03:19 < mitrax> been like 15 years since i last saw that page
2015-11-12T22:03:48 < Laurenceb> looks like early jerry jackson
2015-11-12T22:03:56 < Roklobsta> the language is similar.
2015-11-12T22:04:15 < mitrax> indeed
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2015-11-12T22:53:32 < Ecco> Any mechanical watch enthusiast around?
2015-11-12T22:53:37 < Ecco> I'm wondering what model this is: http://i.imgur.com/pIFrqUx.png
2015-11-12T22:54:48 < Steffanx> beore i clicked on the link i was going to say: our swisser is not around atm
2015-11-12T22:55:05 < Steffanx> after: same thing
2015-11-12T22:55:07 < Ecco> :-)
2015-11-12T22:55:23 < Ecco> I'm not sure Tectu would know though
2015-11-12T22:55:27 < Ecco> I'll ask him next time:)
2015-11-12T22:56:12 < englishman> im guessing its the kind of mechanical watch that breaks within 4 years and costs as much to fix as it does to buy a new one
2015-11-12T22:57:01 < Ecco> :-D
2015-11-12T22:57:12 < Ecco> Wouldn't that be the case for any mechanical watch?
2015-11-12T22:57:18 < englishman> so i'm right!
2015-11-12T22:57:29 < Ecco> Given the casing is just a small part of the whole thing :)
2015-11-12T22:57:35 < Ecco> well yes indeed :)
2015-11-12T22:58:01 < englishman> watches are like fedoras
2015-11-12T22:59:40 < PeterM> englishman how so? great at telling you the time? like the 1890s?
2015-11-12T23:00:09 < englishman> the only people that notice, are other fat neckbeards that have the same
2015-11-12T23:00:19 < PeterM> that works too
2015-11-12T23:02:25 < kakimir> used to love watches as a kid
2015-11-12T23:03:08 < artag> it appears to be a google+ default avatar
2015-11-12T23:03:15 < artag> https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZit_1g8LtvO2tqh_1eGPX1EdkjYZUqZPcBNLKZFydDgzvEwa7bNiumjBl5MGnIMjcwJ6gK-WPz_1-oBjhaJfkvbvxymtF27dOP420rSKDpN7Byafu2lPerSX4zlT_1Oy1SmevbNAQjD8qyXAaqRJ0B-jPhmJUbUiKnJv-3_1vkWLXidG16wi3-Narz7fgNZ92v2chh6cybDUFOI7YD3WbsouO2pbFSnVVjZ7zSp4vDAZW_1-kpCYgSvNthpB2zZZH2kzoWbl5efyNqgCvkWknQsQQZAybVZ0G3PnO9_1rz7ZesDX3sFTIt2LZ7Pr78KrlT9CpRtvAtolLfLlc1Xj1F-kuW8aNxQtH_1qwC4aOQb5lu5WSBlZJmiRMU4f0daGpF1j9oFZYAgZhF0ngqKJsb-No_1oDC
2015-11-12T23:03:22 < artag> eww, sorry
2015-11-12T23:03:25 < PeterM> kakimir,thats probably because you thought of watches as a kid were exactly the same tecnology as the iwatch now
2015-11-12T23:07:28 < kakimir> something like that
2015-11-12T23:08:36 < kakimir> still wouldn't have iwatch
2015-11-12T23:13:27 < kakimir> I don't understand why improved lcd tech never didn't reach digital watches
2015-11-12T23:13:36 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/bHc9fPx.gifv
2015-11-12T23:13:37 < kakimir> displays look stil the same
2015-11-12T23:15:00 < Steffanx> LCD != DIGITAL?
2015-11-12T23:15:29 < kakimir> digital includes lcd's ?
2015-11-12T23:16:40 < kakimir> segments are big with way too much spacing
2015-11-12T23:16:48 < Steffanx> oh now i understood
2015-11-12T23:16:58 < kakimir> view angles suck, contrast suck
2015-11-12T23:17:37 < Steffanx> ever seen a ral iwatch?
2015-11-12T23:18:01 < kakimir> I wasn't talking about iwatch
2015-11-12T23:18:55 < kakimir> they have ruined everything
2015-11-12T23:19:03 < Steffanx> ....
2015-11-12T23:21:55 < Steffanx> howso mr kakimir?
2015-11-12T23:22:01 < kakimir> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/550a10cbe4b03c7ec206488b/55165996e4b0617803521ecc/5516599be4b0617803523d31/1354306026997/1000w/ziiiro_saturn_digital_watch.jpg interesting looks
2015-11-12T23:22:35 < Steffanx> but no whatsapp on tha
2015-11-12T23:22:40 < Steffanx> t
2015-11-12T23:23:12 < kakimir> if I need a wrist computer I get one
2015-11-12T23:24:17 < kakimir> if I need a watch I make sure it doesn't run operating system in it
2015-11-12T23:24:28 < Steffanx> who needs a watch? Time is overrated ;)
2015-11-12T23:24:53 < kakimir> time?
2015-11-12T23:24:58 < kakimir> what is that?
2015-11-12T23:25:51 < Mr_Sheesh> I'm semi tempted to get one of those TI MSP430 watches
2015-11-12T23:25:59 < kakimir> http://craziestgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/kisai_3d_unlimited_colored_lcd_watch_design_from_tokyoflash_japan_05.jpg
2015-11-12T23:26:24 < kakimir> Mr_Sheesh: is it full size msp430 development board wrapped to your wrist?
2015-11-12T23:26:31 < Steffanx> all you need a watch for ? http://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass
2015-11-12T23:26:43 < Mr_Sheesh> No, I can find the watch tho
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2015-11-12T23:27:33 < kakimir> how about wrapping latest disco to wrist with battery
2015-11-12T23:27:34 < Mr_Sheesh> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos
2015-11-12T23:28:48 < kakimir> oh I think I have seen this in some magazine or so
2015-11-12T23:30:00 < kakimir> would rather have something with eink and pico power chip to it
2015-11-12T23:30:43 < kakimir> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Screen-Shot-2014-11-28-at-11.52.29-AM-640x470.png now that's style
2015-11-12T23:31:28 < kakimir> looks way better than it is
2015-11-12T23:31:44 < kakimir> http://www.eink.com/images/phosphor_watch_07.jpg
2015-11-12T23:31:44 < Steffanx> bleh
2015-11-12T23:32:49 < Steffanx> better get nuclear powered watch
2015-11-12T23:33:30 < kakimir> is there such available that have RTG in it?
2015-11-12T23:34:35 < kakimir> personal nuclear power
2015-11-12T23:34:49 < kakimir> would like to have
2015-11-12T23:36:12 < Mr_Sheesh> I've seen solar rechargable watches; IDK tho, I live near Seattle
2015-11-12T23:36:54 < BrainDamage> you can get watches with tritium or radium radioluminescence
2015-11-12T23:37:11 < BrainDamage> it won't power the time, but at least the visual part will be radiation powered
2015-11-12T23:37:49 < kakimir> I want nuclear thermogenerator to my watch
2015-11-12T23:38:44 < kakimir> plutonium pellet
2015-11-12T23:49:39 < kakimir> it's safe if it stays contained
2015-11-12T23:50:31 < kakimir> certain kind of plutonium radiates almost only alfa particles
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2015-11-12T23:55:49 < TheSeven> hm, I'm having some issues getting the RTC working
2015-11-12T23:55:54 < TheSeven> running off the LSE osc
2015-11-12T23:56:21 < TheSeven> what's the best way to check if the osc has a problem or it's a bug in my code?
2015-11-12T23:56:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmqlVzE34m8 nice project
2015-11-12T23:56:40 < TheSeven> LSE ready flag comes up, but RTC init flag doesn't
2015-11-12T23:56:57 < TheSeven> RTC works fine with LSI clock source, so I guess it's an LSE problem
2015-11-12T23:56:58 < BrainDamage> kakimir: it's not just the primary decay, you have to check the whole decay chain
2015-11-12T23:57:10 < TheSeven> tried to route LSE to MCO, but getting just a low level there
2015-11-12T23:57:17 < TheSeven> not sure if I did that right though
2015-11-12T23:57:45 < TheSeven> on the oscillator pins themselves I seem to have some kind of oscillation, but it's hard to measure these weak signals without interfering with them
2015-11-12T23:58:01 < kakimir> TheSeven: to pastebin the code and link here, hardware details?
2015-11-12T23:59:00 < TheSeven> well, hardware is a custom board with 32kHz xtal + caps hooked up to PC14/15
2015-11-12T23:59:40 < TheSeven> code is a whole load of C++, I'm just patching an existing project to run off LSE instead of LSI here
2015-11-12T23:59:42 < kakimir> what chip
2015-11-12T23:59:49 < TheSeven> f030c8
--- Day changed Fri Nov 13 2015
2015-11-13T00:00:37 < TheSeven> what I changed was basically setting BDCR.LSEON to 1, BDCR.LSEDRV to 3, waiting for BDCR.LSERDY instead of LSIRDY, and setting  BDCR.RTCSEL to LSE
2015-11-13T00:00:58 < TheSeven> do I need to do anything else to bring the LSE up?
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2015-11-13T00:03:57 < mitrax> TheSeven: do you reset the backup domain before changing BDCR?
2015-11-13T00:04:53 < TheSeven> I'm doing that between waiting for LSERDY and setting RTCSEL/RTCEN
2015-11-13T00:04:53 < mitrax> TheSeven: you're supposed to set the BDRST bit / then reset it, then only you can change RTCSEL
2015-11-13T00:07:01 < TheSeven> gah
2015-11-13T00:07:07 < TheSeven> found it
2015-11-13T00:07:25 < TheSeven> some RTC init code was configuring BDCR from scratch, thereby setting LSEON back to 0
2015-11-13T00:07:36 < mitrax> ah :)
2015-11-13T00:08:51 < TheSeven> that also explains why MCO wasn't working
2015-11-13T00:09:31 < PaulFertser> You could have caught that with a watchpoint ;)
2015-11-13T00:09:50 < TheSeven> if I knew what to look for :P
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2015-11-13T00:10:48 < TheSeven> I guess those "LSE is extremely touchy" horror stories biased me into suspecting a HW issue
2015-11-13T00:11:13 < mitrax> ahah
2015-11-13T00:11:26 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: in retrospect, it's obvious: RTC not ticking, you can see that with "p/x *RTC" (or whatever the struct is called there), so it means clock doesn't currently get there to the domain, so you check clock settings with p/x blabla, see LSE not enabled...
2015-11-13T00:12:27 < PaulFertser> But many issues are easy in retrospect.
2015-11-13T00:12:43 < PaulFertser> only in retrospect :)
2015-11-13T00:23:37 < TheSeven> yeah, especially if you've never run LSE before and don't know if you missed some magic enable bit somewhere where you wouldn't expect it ;)
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2015-11-13T01:10:59 < jadew`> so... I was searching for a monospace font on google and of course, it presented me with shit that had no connection to that and was browsing some photos
2015-11-13T01:11:11 < jadew`> http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/050811/nn_quint_meth_050811.300w.jpg
2015-11-13T01:11:23 < jadew`> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pisa4qNjAAs/hqdefault.jpg
2015-11-13T01:11:34 < jadew`> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8KfOY4gyk84/hqdefault.jpg
2015-11-13T01:11:49 < jadew`> and from the same result series: http://bilder.bild.de/fotos/drogen-gesichter-37771744-35299246/Bild/2.bild.jpg
2015-11-13T01:13:29 < jadew`> took me a while to figure wth was wrong with it
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2015-11-13T01:41:29 < mtbg> never do meth
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2015-11-13T01:56:56 < kakimir> nice weight loss in the first one
2015-11-13T01:58:43 < kakimir> amphetamines are widelly used in cities around here
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2015-11-13T01:59:33 < jadew`> did you see how that chick changed in the last one?
2015-11-13T01:59:47 < kakimir> melted
2015-11-13T02:00:40 < jadew`> not that one, the last one I posted
2015-11-13T02:00:53 < jadew`> you probably clicked in the worng order
2015-11-13T02:01:19 < kakimir> :P
2015-11-13T02:02:29 < kakimir> sexy
2015-11-13T02:04:55 < kakimir> worked on lpc1517 controller board for 30mins.. progress
2015-11-13T02:05:24 < kakimir> uart connections, pmos high side drivers, ferrites to analog channels
2015-11-13T02:06:20 < kakimir> didn't still finish it. my table is full of junk and without vacuum I start feeling sick
2015-11-13T02:06:39 < kakimir> and vacuum is on the table
2015-11-13T02:06:53 < kakimir> should build new filter based soon
2015-11-13T02:09:57 < kakimir> I have filter and 4.5Amp fan giving me around 30-40W of suck
2015-11-13T02:10:23 < kakimir> filter is some cheapest active carbon from ebay for jeep
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2015-11-13T02:20:39 < jadew`> jadew_
2015-11-13T02:21:00 < kakimir> bending some kind of drop in place holder for filter and connecting it to pyramidal adapter that connects to fan
2015-11-13T02:21:27 < kakimir> out of thin steel
2015-11-13T02:21:39 < kakimir> then paint it blue
2015-11-13T02:21:45 < jadew`> what's this for?
2015-11-13T02:22:09 < kakimir> install crap controller to it
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2015-11-13T02:23:11 < kakimir> get some 12V supply that can output 4Amps
2015-11-13T02:23:27 < kakimir> and start sucking fumes
2015-11-13T02:23:32 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
2015-11-13T02:23:38 < dongs> sup, any zano news
2015-11-13T02:23:58 < Laurenceb__> too busy designing antenna
2015-11-13T02:23:59 < kakimir> yes. it's dead
2015-11-13T02:24:12 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: show the antenna?
2015-11-13T02:24:56 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/subsiIE.png
2015-11-13T02:26:02 < Laurenceb__> I've improved it a bit since then - used a ring at the bottom and reduced the helix to a single turn
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2015-11-13T02:26:18 < dongs> what is t his lunix garbage lulz
2015-11-13T02:27:02 < kakimir> looks like a tool
2015-11-13T02:27:18 < Laurenceb__> EZNEC
2015-11-13T02:27:32 < Laurenceb__> https://www.eznec.com/
2015-11-13T02:27:46 < kakimir> how good it is?
2015-11-13T02:28:09 < Laurenceb__> dunno, lots of people use it
2015-11-13T02:28:13 < kakimir> do you have full version?
2015-11-13T02:28:16 < Laurenceb__> im stuck with demo version
2015-11-13T02:28:17 < Laurenceb__> nope
2015-11-13T02:28:58 < kakimir> you say there is lunix version?
2015-11-13T02:29:31 < kakimir> dongs: you fool..
2015-11-13T02:29:50 < kakimir> looks at those crappy gui elements!
2015-11-13T02:29:51 < dongs> ?
2015-11-13T02:30:06 < kakimir> it's windows program running on wine
2015-11-13T02:30:11 < Laurenceb__> yup
2015-11-13T02:30:55 < kakimir> lunix has had proper antialiasing fonts for some time now
2015-11-13T02:32:10 < Laurenceb__> meanwhile Ivan reedman thought he could fit 868mhz antenna inside zano on a tiny bit of pcb
2015-11-13T02:33:43 < kakimir> can you design antenna and then it performs like it was designed?
2015-11-13T02:34:08 < Laurenceb__> hopefully it will be fairly close
2015-11-13T02:34:38 < Laurenceb__> my current design has 100mhz bandwidth and the copper foil loading ring on the bottom can be trimmed
2015-11-13T02:34:40 < kakimir> I just wonder if simulation method has blind spots to it
2015-11-13T02:34:46 < Laurenceb__> so hopefully that will be good enough
2015-11-13T02:35:12 < Laurenceb__> I was considering using this with a pcb loop
2015-11-13T02:35:14 < Laurenceb__> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SI4010-B1-GT/336-1973-5-ND/2340768
2015-11-13T02:35:33 < Laurenceb__> but I think it'd be horribly inefficient, I only have a 16mm diameter pcb
2015-11-13T02:36:53 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: can you utilize that 8051 core?
2015-11-13T02:37:06 < Laurenceb__> yes but its a pita
2015-11-13T02:37:26 < Laurenceb__> you have to link in binary blobs to run the RF, and its using OTP memory
2015-11-13T02:37:51 < Laurenceb__>  #highaltitude guys are using it cuz they like pain
2015-11-13T02:38:34 < kakimir> :P
2015-11-13T02:39:36 < Laurenceb__> you have to develop running from ram then burn the OTP when you are happy
2015-11-13T02:40:40 < kakimir> how you can transmit accuratelly without any crystals?
2015-11-13T02:40:58 < Laurenceb__> some sort of RC oscillator
2015-11-13T02:41:08 < Laurenceb__> they must have some neat silicon tricks
2015-11-13T02:41:19 < Laurenceb__> presumably some way to make precision resistors
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2015-11-13T02:42:00 < Laurenceb__> dunno if thats a good thing, it will be more shock resistance
2015-11-13T02:42:17 < Laurenceb__> but I dont think my rockoon is going to break SMD crystals
2015-11-13T02:44:26 < kakimir> is octave nice program?
2015-11-13T02:44:40 < Laurenceb__> ask dongs
2015-11-13T02:44:41 < kakimir> methlab substitute
2015-11-13T02:44:42 < Laurenceb__>  /troll
2015-11-13T02:44:48 < Laurenceb__> it works fine
2015-11-13T02:45:09 < kakimir> it has some EM solvers to it
2015-11-13T02:45:18 < Laurenceb__> the nice thing is all the addons are free, and it uses gnuplot which is kind of nice sometimes
2015-11-13T02:45:28 < Laurenceb__> its slightly slower than matlab in many cases
2015-11-13T02:45:40 < Laurenceb__> but matlab and octave are both slow
2015-11-13T02:45:49 < Laurenceb__> but sometimes you just need quick and dirty
2015-11-13T02:45:54 < Laurenceb__> s/sometimes/mostly
2015-11-13T02:46:19 < Laurenceb__> I always have an octave terminal open with a bunch of scripts to hand
2015-11-13T02:46:30 < kakimir> it's 27years fresh project
2015-11-13T02:46:32 < Laurenceb__> makes a nice scientific/graphical calculator replacement
2015-11-13T02:47:31 < kakimir> left school before learning methlab... fool me
2015-11-13T02:47:49 < Laurenceb__> lol https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131111/01080925194/gchq-used-fake-slashdot-page-to-install-malware-to-hack-internet-exchange.shtml
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2015-11-13T02:49:45 < kakimir> jesus it's textmode
2015-11-13T02:50:01 < Laurenceb__> yup
2015-11-13T02:50:23 < Laurenceb__> methlab gui is horrific
2015-11-13T02:50:25 < kakimir> it propably looked the same 15years back
2015-11-13T02:50:34 < Laurenceb__> terminal is so much nicer
2015-11-13T02:51:47 < kakimir> because graphics guys keep doing X number of different interfaces that are all equally crappy
2015-11-13T02:52:33 < Laurenceb__> I always get confused in matlab gui
2015-11-13T02:52:38 < kakimir> textmode is nice really..
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2015-11-13T02:52:51 < Laurenceb__> its not obvious what the current working directory is
2015-11-13T02:53:00 < Laurenceb__> too many little status boxes and stuff
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2015-11-13T02:53:19 < dongs> ur a little status box
2015-11-13T02:54:19 < kakimir> when leaving the simplest text mode program complexity increases wxponentially
2015-11-13T02:54:40 < Laurenceb__> someone at work made a video editor in matlab
2015-11-13T02:56:23 < kakimir> are methlab additions like standalone programs?
2015-11-13T02:56:41 < kakimir> so are those interchangeable with octave?
2015-11-13T02:57:34 < artag> I worked on a project implementing 3-way diff control for a rally car. it was writtent in matlab / simulink so the engineers could understand the algorithms
2015-11-13T02:57:48 < artag> fortunately i only had to do the C bits
2015-11-13T02:58:03 < artag> it was an awful thing
2015-11-13T02:58:11 < artag> (but it won races)
2015-11-13T02:58:35 < kakimir> artag: real rally car?
2015-11-13T02:58:47 < artag> yes, very much so.
2015-11-13T02:59:26 < kakimir> 3way diff meaning what kind of setup?
2015-11-13T02:59:51 < artag> they have torque-controlled diffs frint, rear and middle
2015-11-13T03:00:38 < artag> i didn't see any whores. nor get any champagne. I did get a free trip to the safari rally
2015-11-13T03:00:43 < artag> best field trip ever
2015-11-13T03:01:42 < artag> service park isn't where they open the champagne
2015-11-13T03:01:50 < englishman> jesus Laurenceb__
2015-11-13T03:01:58 < englishman> why dont you use feko like a real scienstsists
2015-11-13T03:02:15 < Sync> artag: I really wish automotive engineers would use less matlab
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2015-11-13T03:02:41 < englishman> also, what kinda dipole is that???
2015-11-13T03:02:52 < upgrdman_> any way to make a variable as write only in c?
2015-11-13T03:03:01 < artag> they won't. to be fair, it's quite good for mapping and that's a lot of it. it sucks for state machines
2015-11-13T03:03:14 < upgrdman_> i seem to recall some compiler warning when reading from a write-only register, so im guesssing this is possible?
2015-11-13T03:03:16 < Sync> and I like how everybody is banning active torque vectoring diffs but then everybody just uses the brakes to do it :D
2015-11-13T03:03:24 < Sync> idk, I don't like it for anything
2015-11-13T03:03:25 < artag> I think they did a thing (stateflow ?) to help with that but we didn't do uit
2015-11-13T03:03:51 < artag> this was 200x, there weren't so many rules
2015-11-13T03:04:13 < Sync> I had to use it for some pectel ecu once, and I did not like it a bit
2015-11-13T03:04:16 < Sync> ~one
2015-11-13T03:04:19 < englishman> auuuugh pectel
2015-11-13T03:04:22 < artag> hey you worked on pectel ?
2015-11-13T03:04:34 < Sync> yes
2015-11-13T03:04:45 < artag> we were using pectel hardware
2015-11-13T03:04:46 < englishman> heh really
2015-11-13T03:05:13 < artag> I think they still are, though I left long ago
2015-11-13T03:05:29 < Sync> I mean, can't fault them
2015-11-13T03:05:32 < Sync> the hardware is nice
2015-11-13T03:05:36 < Sync> relatively
2015-11-13T03:05:55 < kakimir> http://openems.de/index.php/File:CylindricalWave_Ez_Anim.gif look at this science
2015-11-13T03:06:36 < artag> we'd have preferred them to use Sigma, but pectel cost less and they were used to it for the ecu
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2015-11-13T03:08:08 < Laurenceb__> englishman: its a helixal dipole
2015-11-13T03:08:35 < englishman> like with normal-helical elements
2015-11-13T03:08:44 < Laurenceb__> feko looks expensive
2015-11-13T03:08:50 < englishman> you can $free it
2015-11-13T03:08:54 < englishman> just ask em
2015-11-13T03:09:13 < englishman> then borrow it from a skool or a friendly russian
2015-11-13T03:09:17 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-11-13T03:10:03 < Sync> artag: I'm actually fiddling with something similar
2015-11-13T03:10:17 < Sync> stm32 controlled abs/esp shits
2015-11-13T03:10:49 < artag> lol
2015-11-13T03:11:04 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-13T03:11:06 < Sync> true
2015-11-13T03:11:11 < artag> 68332 ftw
2015-11-13T03:11:12 < Sync> but, eh, gotta use what I have on hand
2015-11-13T03:11:21 < Laurenceb__> http://www.qsl.net/4nec2/
2015-11-13T03:11:33 < Sync> or freestale motorola shit
2015-11-13T03:11:45 < englishman> real pros use megasquirt
2015-11-13T03:11:51 < englishman> 2x if you have more than 8 cylinders
2015-11-13T03:11:56 < Laurenceb__> real pros use 4nec2
2015-11-13T03:12:08 < Laurenceb__> megasquirt, moar liek cytheria
2015-11-13T03:12:28 < englishman> it can work with antenna magus too
2015-11-13T03:12:47 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytherea_%28actress%29
2015-11-13T03:12:48 < artag> motorola TPUs were the bees knees of ECUs until people got fpgas
2015-11-13T03:12:48 < englishman> but ive never used antenna magus so i dono
2015-11-13T03:12:51 < Laurenceb__> ^megasquirt
2015-11-13T03:13:29 < englishman> 2013[24]	Nominated	Performer Comeback of the Year
2015-11-13T03:13:33 < englishman> they missed out on a good pun here
2015-11-13T03:13:37 < Sync> well, the TPUs are okay
2015-11-13T03:13:42 < Laurenceb__> WikiProject Pornography
2015-11-13T03:13:44 < Laurenceb__> lul
2015-11-13T03:13:53 < Sync> but I have not really seen them in a lot of stuff, at least not in germany
2015-11-13T03:14:28 < artag> they were very hard to program. Not something I've done, though I wish they were still around
2015-11-13T03:14:37 < Sync> they are
2015-11-13T03:14:54 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2015-11-13T03:14:56 < Sync> VW uses a lot of infineon tricore stuff
2015-11-13T03:15:01 < Laurenceb__> she is a gamergate supporter
2015-11-13T03:15:05 < Sync> which apparently are also insane to code for
2015-11-13T03:15:07 < artag> yeah, but on old stuff. there was a power pc with them i think, but they're not popular much either
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2015-11-13T03:16:04 < Sync> I'm actually suprised how well the esp works
2015-11-13T03:16:12 < Sync> although I'm using oldgen hardware
2015-11-13T03:16:29 < Laurenceb__> the wifi thing?
2015-11-13T03:17:04 < Sync> wat
2015-11-13T03:18:07 < Sync> http://www.carsp.ca.vs4.korax.net/carsp-acpser/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/esc_operation.jpg
2015-11-13T03:18:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: brake steering of modern car basically
2015-11-13T03:18:10 < Sync> this shit
2015-11-13T03:18:49 < Laurenceb__> oh lol ok
2015-11-13T03:19:13 < Laurenceb__> I thought you meant esp8266
2015-11-13T03:19:50 < Laurenceb__> think I'm gunna try 4nec2
2015-11-13T03:21:59 < Laurenceb__> a rockoon - balloon launched rocket
2015-11-13T03:22:17 < Sync> need to get data back
2015-11-13T03:22:32 < Laurenceb__> I need to model the antenna
2015-11-13T03:22:45 < Laurenceb__> Sync: no its just a dumb CW beacon
2015-11-13T03:22:51 < Laurenceb__> nope
2015-11-13T03:23:07 < Laurenceb__> my rocket is 18mm diameter, 60mm long
2015-11-13T03:23:21 < Laurenceb__> I have 750milligrams for the entire system
2015-11-13T03:24:35 < Laurenceb__> now I need to learn how to use 4nec2...
2015-11-13T03:24:39 < Laurenceb__> at least its free
2015-11-13T03:25:47 < Laurenceb__> so thats 1billion Laurenceb points
2015-11-13T03:27:11 < artag> did you see this thing ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-UWB2-Vivaldi-TSA-Antenna-600-6000MHz-ADS-B-SDR-RADAR-GPR-SIGINT-EMC-LAB-HORN-/221929978101 ?
2015-11-13T03:27:39 < Laurenceb__> 4nec2 has encountered a problem
2015-11-13T03:27:42 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2015-11-13T03:28:03 < Laurenceb__> I am running it in wine
2015-11-13T03:29:33 < Sync> some guy here at the uni developed some jammer with a marx generator and a vivaldi antenna
2015-11-13T03:29:49 < Sync> and apparently he had to keep the antenna details seekrut because dem terrorists
2015-11-13T03:30:03 < Laurenceb__> lul
2015-11-13T03:30:07 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-11-13T03:30:12 < Laurenceb__> I dont have no win7
2015-11-13T03:30:19 < Sync> ask your russian friend
2015-11-13T03:31:04  * Laurenceb__ zzz
2015-11-13T03:31:14 < Laurenceb__> 1:30am  O_o
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2015-11-13T03:33:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: what kind of direction pattern you use?
2015-11-13T03:35:53 < kakimir> what is the direction of rockoon when transmission is intended?
2015-11-13T03:36:04 < kakimir> every phase?
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2015-11-13T03:39:58 < kakimir> can external surface be used as part of antenna?
2015-11-13T03:45:35 < kakimir> how about external antenna poles aligned to rockoon frame?
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2015-11-13T05:37:05 < upgrdman> ok
2015-11-13T05:37:23 < upgrdman> i think i mentioned that i fired up my induction heater again
2015-11-13T05:37:38 < upgrdman> i used a super low esr cap i pulled from an old air conditioner
2015-11-13T05:37:55 < upgrdman> and it works fine, but overheats if i really push things (20V, 25A)
2015-11-13T05:38:09 < upgrdman> so now im trying to find some smaller ones i can parallel
2015-11-13T05:38:33 < upgrdman> but without ESR ratings i have no idea if i will end up buying some good caps or random shit
2015-11-13T05:38:45 < upgrdman> screwdrivers, aluminum bar, etc.
2015-11-13T05:39:12 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-13T05:39:17 < upgrdman> good idea, but no
2015-11-13T05:46:17 < upgrdman> ?
2015-11-13T05:46:40 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-11-13T05:46:43 < upgrdman> ok
2015-11-13T05:47:00 < upgrdman> i thought motor caps are like self-healing / non-catastrophic?
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2015-11-13T05:52:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, what does "onacho" mean?
2015-11-13T05:52:56 < upgrdman> flyback, i was using the epoxied rectangle kind, not the oil filled ones
2015-11-13T05:53:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, the n was a running n ... dont know hot to type it
2015-11-13T05:53:21 < upgrdman> s/running/russian
2015-11-13T05:53:58 < upgrdman> ya that. :)
2015-11-13T05:54:36 < upgrdman> flyback, good idea. ya. i have an extruded alum encluder i can use
2015-11-13T05:54:43 < upgrdman> enclosure even
2015-11-13T05:55:23 < upgrdman> sure
2015-11-13T05:55:34 < upgrdman> im talking about saving my ass from exploding run capacitors
2015-11-13T05:55:59 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-11-13T06:06:34 < jadew_> I finally have the IRC client of my dreams
2015-11-13T06:06:45 < jadew_> well, not really, but close
2015-11-13T06:07:10 < upgrdman> cmd.exe?
2015-11-13T06:08:15 < jadew_> let me show you
2015-11-13T06:08:30 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/J1qAYQ7.jpg
2015-11-13T06:08:41 < jadew_> it's not that
2015-11-13T06:08:47 < jadew_> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/Jj11r.png
2015-11-13T06:08:50 < jadew_> it's this!
2015-11-13T06:09:00 < jadew_> eh? :D
2015-11-13T06:09:50 < jadew_> I don't know, random pic
2015-11-13T06:10:40 < jadew_> come on... it shows up in my IRC client
2015-11-13T06:11:01 < jadew_> the second screenshot
2015-11-13T06:11:19 < jadew_> my IRC client loads the image and shows it to me when a image URL is posted
2015-11-13T06:12:18 < jadew_> ok, post another picture
2015-11-13T06:12:37 < upgrdman> so its a FF plugin?
2015-11-13T06:12:47 < jadew_> chatzilla is
2015-11-13T06:12:56 < jadew_> the script that shows the image is a chatzilla plugin :P
2015-11-13T06:13:34 < jadew_> but you can run it independently of FF
2015-11-13T06:13:41 < upgrdman> im looking for a windows irc client that support high dpi / scaling properly.
2015-11-13T06:13:52 < upgrdman> and i use chrome, so dickzilla is out
2015-11-13T06:14:05 < jadew_> why is it out?
2015-11-13T06:14:12 < jadew_> you don't have to use FF to use chatzilla
2015-11-13T06:14:17 < jadew_> you just install it via xulrunner
2015-11-13T06:14:24 < upgrdman> hmmm
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2015-11-13T06:14:30 < jadew_> but why high DPI?
2015-11-13T06:14:41 < upgrdman> because im not poor, so i have a quality display
2015-11-13T06:14:51 < upgrdman> and 1 pixel is almost too small to see
2015-11-13T06:14:58 < jadew_> and what are you planning to do with it on IRC?
2015-11-13T06:15:15 < upgrdman> ? i just want IRC to look nice on it
2015-11-13T06:15:20 < upgrdman> not some 2x scaled trash
2015-11-13T06:15:54 < jadew_> you just set a font that isn't from the 90's and any client should be fine
2015-11-13T06:16:18 < upgrdman> thank you for repeating the same thing every person who does not use a high dpi display says
2015-11-13T06:16:47 < upgrdman> font size is not the only issue. it's actually the easiest issue to fix
2015-11-13T06:16:51 < jadew_> dude, I can zoom in on these fonts until the letters are as big as the screen and they'll still be smooth
2015-11-13T06:17:03 < upgrdman> font size is not the only issue. it's actually the easiest issue to fix
2015-11-13T06:17:11 < jadew_> so what is the issue?
2015-11-13T06:17:30 < jadew_> got a screenshot?
2015-11-13T06:17:58 < upgrdman> common things they fuck up is image sizes (way too small icons, etc.) and stupid shit like hard coding sizes of things, so with large fonts things get clipped to squished.
2015-11-13T06:18:25 < upgrdman> and hard coding default window sizes in pixels
2015-11-13T06:18:39 < jadew_> ah, well, this is completely styleable via CSS
2015-11-13T06:18:47 < jadew_> so you can set everything the way you want it
2015-11-13T06:19:02 < upgrdman> i'd kinda prefer to separate IRC from web browsing any way
2015-11-13T06:19:21 < jadew_> it is separate, it starts in its own window
2015-11-13T06:19:40 < jadew_> and it can be completely separate from FF
2015-11-13T06:19:46 < jadew_> it just uses the same engine
2015-11-13T06:20:05 < upgrdman> so when FF wants to upgrade, your IRC client doesnt need to restart
2015-11-13T06:20:08 < jadew_> is mIRC that bad on high DPI displays?
2015-11-13T06:20:14 < upgrdman> never tried mirc
2015-11-13T06:20:22 < jadew_> why would FF want to update if you're not using it?
2015-11-13T06:20:57 < jadew_> mirc is ok
2015-11-13T06:21:24 < jadew_> actually, I've spent the whole night trying to make this thing look as similar to that as possible, because I'm used to it
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2015-11-13T06:25:02 < jadew> pics please
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2015-11-13T06:26:30 < upgrdman> of what
2015-11-13T06:26:58 < jadew> anything, I want to see my plugin in action
2015-11-13T06:27:53 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/L4ZJS5F.jpg
2015-11-13T06:28:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/1pG84Ef.jpg
2015-11-13T06:28:19 < jadew> ok, stop posting lol
2015-11-13T06:29:13 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-11-13T07:03:09 < aandrew> wtf dude
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2015-11-13T07:36:36 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/HX2OCoY.gifv
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2015-11-13T07:58:56 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-13T08:13:00 < Roklobsta> "I'm going to fly a Zano into your mother's ham hole"  ahhahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2015-11-13T08:13:18 < Roklobsta> That's from Zano Marketing.
2015-11-13T08:25:11 < bloated> I wonder if there's anything like an online /dev/zero
2015-11-13T08:25:17 < bloated> a url that serves up an endless file
2015-11-13T08:25:36 < bloated> this is not related to jadew's plugin in any way
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2015-11-13T09:04:00 < jpa-> dongs: do you have funny chinese sources for INT035TFT-TS?
2015-11-13T09:04:18 < jpa-> aka the crappiest panel in existence
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2015-11-13T09:32:56 < dongs> lets see
2015-11-13T09:37:46 < dongs> jpa-: how many?
2015-11-13T09:46:49 < jpa-> 10 or something
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2015-11-13T09:49:56 < dongs> looks like not very common
2015-11-13T09:51:13 < jpa-> yeah, mouser and rs both are out of stock
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2015-11-13T11:29:33 < Ecco> how much would you pay for those panels, usually?
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2015-11-13T11:35:39 < jpa-> 30-50 EUR, depending on where we buy from
2015-11-13T11:35:49 < Ecco> super expensive
2015-11-13T11:35:54 < jpa-> and super crappy
2015-11-13T11:36:17 < Ecco> How about this one?
2015-11-13T11:36:18 < Ecco> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/er-tft035-3
2015-11-13T11:36:37 < jpa-> will that be available 3 years later?
2015-11-13T11:36:45 < Ecco> I have no idea
2015-11-13T11:36:53 < Ecco> But given it's 1/3rd the price
2015-11-13T11:37:03 < Ecco> you may as well buy twice more than you need
2015-11-13T11:37:03 < jpa-> "We promise the long term continuity supply for this product no less than 10 years since 2013."  luls
2015-11-13T11:38:06 < jpa-> price is not really an issue for this product, as 90% of the cost is rnd
2015-11-13T11:38:17 < Ecco> rnd?
2015-11-13T11:38:22 < Ecco> R&D
2015-11-13T11:38:23 < jpa-> development costs
2015-11-13T11:38:24 < Ecco> ?
2015-11-13T11:38:25 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-11-13T11:38:31 < Ecco> i thought random
2015-11-13T11:38:43 < jpa-> random pricing, for extra fun
2015-11-13T11:38:47 < jpa-> i think we do that, also
2015-11-13T11:38:55 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-11-13T11:49:10 < dongs> jpa-: errrr thats expensive wtf?
2015-11-13T11:49:19 < dongs> jpa-: i thought they're just trash 320x240 shits from china
2015-11-13T11:50:36 < dongs> just get the fucking 3,.5" lcd from waveshare for like 12bux
2015-11-13T11:51:11 < dongs> ew 3.5 is onyl rapeberry version
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2015-11-13T12:15:56 < Ecco> http://0.30000000000000004.com
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2015-11-13T12:23:44 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, it is ridicuously expensive, legacy ftw
2015-11-13T12:24:08 < jpa-> with the tiny manufacturing series (a few units a year) it would cost more to update to different panel
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2015-11-13T12:55:16 < Laurenceb__> WTF
2015-11-13T12:55:17 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/ulcH9Iu.jpg
2015-11-13T12:56:06 < Laurenceb__> Otaku Akbar
2015-11-13T12:57:51 < BrainDamage> need more painted guns with hello kitty
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2015-11-13T13:20:03 < dongs> jpa, you can just pay china like $50 to make the same dimensions pcb
2015-11-13T13:20:07 < dongs> and use some random shitscreen
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2015-11-13T13:41:18 < MightyPork> hello, is this channel active?
2015-11-13T13:43:55 < PeterM> about as active as its average users sex life
2015-11-13T13:45:51 < PaulFertser> Does that count masturbation?
2015-11-13T13:46:27 < dongs> as long as topic is zano, its all good
2015-11-13T13:47:05 < MightyPork> I am trying to figure out how the USART interrupt flags work. I'm supposed to clear all interrupt flags manually after handling it?
2015-11-13T13:47:16 < MightyPork> it's f303 btw
2015-11-13T13:47:51 < dongs> did you try reading the reference manual
2015-11-13T13:47:56 < dongs> you're supposed to clear flags in interrupts, yes
2015-11-13T13:48:01 < MightyPork> I have a folder full of manuals, yes
2015-11-13T13:48:12 < dongs> the RM0090 or wahtever is the F3 equivalent is what you want
2015-11-13T13:48:16 < dongs> the one with a whole chapter on USART
2015-11-13T13:48:17 < MightyPork> it's super confusing, info spread among many files...
2015-11-13T13:48:27 < dongs> no, all the info you need is in the "reference manual"
2015-11-13T13:48:31 < MightyPork> k will try to find it
2015-11-13T13:48:33 < dongs> datasheet has hardware stuff and pinout.
2015-11-13T13:48:46 < dongs> but anyway, yes, you clear the flags that you ahve interrupt enabled for
2015-11-13T13:49:56 < MightyPork> I have RM0316
2015-11-13T13:50:08 < dongs> thats the one.
2015-11-13T13:50:11 < MightyPork> there's like zero info on how to handle interrupts, just a table of the registers
2015-11-13T13:51:20 < MightyPork> but ok guess not clearing it was my error. I was clearing RXNE and then I got overrun and it kept looping the IRQ forever
2015-11-13T13:51:32 < dongs> thats what happens when you dont clear htem
2015-11-13T13:51:36 < dongs> it keeps coming back to same irq.
2015-11-13T13:53:04 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: I remember some std periph library shit didn't work properly for clearing ORE on stm32f1.
2015-11-13T13:53:33 < MightyPork> PaulFertser: I'm using libopencm3, I tried the std STM library and it was a big mess...
2015-11-13T13:53:48 < dongs> you must be using lunix
2015-11-13T13:54:15 < MightyPork> if you mean linux, yes. but how does that make a difference?
2015-11-13T13:54:24 < dongs> the only people i know who don't think libopencm3 is a "big mess" were avid lunix users.
2015-11-13T13:54:25 < MightyPork> the HAL thing compiles with GCC
2015-11-13T13:54:40 < MightyPork> but so much bloat..
2015-11-13T13:54:57 < dongs> stm32f30x_dsp_stdperiph_lib.zip this exists.
2015-11-13T13:55:04 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: libopencm3 is a sane library, unlike std periph shit from st, agreed.
2015-11-13T13:55:44 < MightyPork> dongs got a link to that by any chance? When I looked for "dirvers" I got only the Cube code generator
2015-11-13T13:56:21 < MightyPork> *drivers
2015-11-13T13:59:33 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1743/PF258144
2015-11-13T13:59:59 < dongs> the bottom 'get software' link.
2015-11-13T14:00:03 < dongs> past all teh cube wank.
2015-11-13T14:01:23 < MightyPork> nice, thanks. Too far in libopencm3 now to migrate, but might be useful reference
2015-11-13T14:42:26 < Laurenceb> lulz  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34809758
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2015-11-13T15:10:18 < __rob2> really hope the amazon show bombs
2015-11-13T15:11:18 < __rob2> and that chriss evans does really well with his new tg
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2015-11-13T15:56:16 < Laurenceb> they both seem to be the same race lol
2015-11-13T15:56:30 < Laurenceb>  "racism" fail
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2015-11-13T17:17:15 < Laurenceb> any zaNO news?
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2015-11-13T17:29:04 < karlp> how close to the edge of a board do you reckon I can mount a uSD holder?
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2015-11-13T17:29:05 < mitrax> Laurenceb: http://www.zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=138&sid=a68d377336392e2ec035715329b7c47f
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2015-11-13T17:30:21 < karlp> I've got pads going right out to 5mil from the edge, that are soldered edge-edge, but not sure about whether I can put a uSD card holder that close.
2015-11-13T17:30:31 < karlp> guess I have to wait for the asemmbly dudes to get back to me
2015-11-13T17:33:54 < mitrax> karlp: i have one right here and the holder doesn't go past the pads, pads very close to the edge shouldn't be a problem
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2015-11-13T17:42:27 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/LAyHvQo.png
2015-11-13T17:44:01 < englishman> i thought you were aiming for 868MHz
2015-11-13T17:44:14 < Laurenceb> yup lol
2015-11-13T17:44:23 < Laurenceb> managed to get it even lower
2015-11-13T17:44:32 < englishman> cool design
2015-11-13T17:44:41 < englishman> i think i have a lamp that would resonate at that freq
2015-11-13T17:44:57 < Laurenceb> the bottom load can be trimmed to raise the frequency
2015-11-13T17:45:03 < Laurenceb> so theres tons of tolerance
2015-11-13T17:45:14 < Laurenceb> bottom will be adhesive copper foil
2015-11-13T17:49:58 < kc2uez> is that a simulation?
2015-11-13T17:53:45 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-11-13T17:54:24 < kc2uez> what program is that?
2015-11-13T17:54:29 < Laurenceb> 4nec2
2015-11-13T17:56:49 < kc2uez> didn't know it worked on linux, using wine?
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2015-11-13T17:57:07 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-11-13T17:57:22 < kc2uez> pretty cool
2015-11-13T17:57:52 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to fit a 868Mhz antenna into an 18mm diamter, 60mm tall cylinder
2015-11-13T17:58:03 < Laurenceb> succeeded pretty well :D
2015-11-13T18:06:51 < kc2uez> is it only the antenna or are you doing some type of UHF transceiver?
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2015-11-13T18:07:24 < Laurenceb> I'm making a beacon for tracking rockets
2015-11-13T18:07:56 < kc2uez> oh, interesting.
2015-11-13T18:08:13 < englishman> whats your gain goal?
2015-11-13T18:08:44 < Laurenceb> 0dBi or so
2015-11-13T18:08:59 < kc2uez> does it beacon telemetry?
2015-11-13T18:09:04 < Laurenceb> no, just CW
2015-11-13T18:10:12 < englishman> thats pretty small
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2015-11-13T18:10:43 < englishman> why not something like
2015-11-13T18:10:44 < englishman> http://www.vishay.com/docs/45209/vj5601m868mxbsr.pdf
2015-11-13T18:10:45 < englishman> tho
2015-11-13T18:11:50 < Laurenceb> hard to mount, see figure 7
2015-11-13T18:12:20 < Laurenceb> and heavy
2015-11-13T18:12:27 < Laurenceb> pro 600mg or so
2015-11-13T18:12:34 < Laurenceb> I have only 750mg mass budget
2015-11-13T18:15:45 < englishman> SMT is hard to mount, but a finely wound coil spring isnt??
2015-11-13T18:17:48 < Laurenceb> I meant keep out zone wise
2015-11-13T18:18:04 < Laurenceb> I have a 13mm x 11mm lipo cell to fit in below the PCB
2015-11-13T18:18:35 < Laurenceb> also a ground plane is required for SMD ceramic stuff to work properly
2015-11-13T18:18:48 < englishman> is it a hobby rocket? do you have a website
2015-11-13T18:18:59 < Laurenceb> not really hobby
2015-11-13T18:19:17 < englishman> well, armadillo aerospace was a hobby
2015-11-13T18:19:31 < Laurenceb> I'm not being paid to do it, but its aimed at demonstrating stupidly low cost >100km rockets
2015-11-13T18:19:40 < Laurenceb> hobby by that definition
2015-11-13T18:20:00 < Laurenceb> there is no website - I gave a talk on it at ukhas2015
2015-11-13T18:20:11 < englishman> ah yes everyone saw this
2015-11-13T18:20:20 < mitrax> englishman: link please!
2015-11-13T18:20:42 < englishman> why not ask teh man himself
2015-11-13T18:21:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S7KujrsUB1w#t=4903
2015-11-13T18:21:14 < Laurenceb> there
2015-11-13T18:21:34 < englishman> TIES back in
2015-11-13T18:21:35 < englishman> :D
2015-11-13T18:22:59 < mitrax> englishman: nevermind thought it was you who said "After you know what Laurenceb is in real life you will believe everything" but that was Steffanx
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2015-11-13T18:27:58 < mitrax> eh? wrong link?
2015-11-13T18:28:51 < mitrax> that's a video with Bill Gates when he was like 25...
2015-11-13T18:29:19 < kc2uez> and british :)
2015-11-13T18:29:21 < mitrax> curious that he speaks with a british accent though
2015-11-13T18:29:28 < englishman> ole bill was a 4channer i guess
2015-11-13T18:29:55 < kc2uez> 100km is really high, pass the kármán line
2015-11-13T18:30:20 < kc2uez> i mean at the..
2015-11-13T18:35:08 < kc2uez> in other words, it may not come down and the people at norad will have something else to track lol
2015-11-13T18:36:18 < Steffanx> Hah mitrax
2015-11-13T18:37:26 < mitrax> i have yet to see dongs
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2015-11-13T18:46:55 < jubatus> isn't his mug on the FBI's most wanted website ?
2015-11-13T18:47:25 < kc2uez> wait, .75g beacon
2015-11-13T18:50:39 < karlp> I´m sorry to inform you that the Customs Officers have inspected the shipment and it does not meet the criteria for duty free shipments
2015-11-13T18:51:57 < Laurenceb> FBI most wanted?
2015-11-13T18:51:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/jaber-a.-elbaneh/person_view_multimedia#images
2015-11-13T18:52:01 < Laurenceb> trollface
2015-11-13T18:54:22 < emeb> dat beerd
2015-11-13T18:55:17 < kakimir> looks like typical R2COM
2015-11-13T18:55:50 < kc2uez> how does the electronics for the beacon looks like?
2015-11-13T18:56:11 < Laurenceb> kc2uez: only 3 parts
2015-11-13T18:56:15 < kc2uez> are you using an stm32 on it?
2015-11-13T18:56:19 < kakimir> he looks fun
2015-11-13T18:56:21 < Laurenceb> no chance
2015-11-13T18:56:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/388687.pdf
2015-11-13T18:56:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1911262.pdf
2015-11-13T18:56:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1716640.pdf
2015-11-13T18:57:58 < Laurenceb> then a full river 10mAh cell http://www.atomicworkshop.co.uk/catalog/images/large/LiPo20400300.gif
2015-11-13T18:58:01 < kc2uez> the crystal has an operating temp of -20
2015-11-13T18:58:26 < Laurenceb> yeah the rocket is in a greenhouse
2015-11-13T18:59:27 < kakimir> every day Laurence Bee has different transmitter chip
2015-11-13T18:59:47 < kakimir> how many different transmitters you are working on..
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2015-11-13T19:02:40 < kc2uez> that is a cool battery
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2015-11-13T19:03:12 < Laurenceb> 350milligrams
2015-11-13T19:03:47 < kc2uez> would you be transmitting during flight or just after landing?
2015-11-13T19:05:01 < kc2uez> sorry i am asking all these questions. I have worked on some HAB projects and this stuff interest me.
2015-11-13T19:05:10 < Ecco> HAB?
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2015-11-13T19:05:47 < Laurenceb> transmitting during flight
2015-11-13T19:06:04 < kc2uez> high altitude balloon
2015-11-13T19:06:07 < Laurenceb> then using synthetic aperture tricks with multiple ground stations to track the flight
2015-11-13T19:06:37 < Laurenceb> brb
2015-11-13T19:06:49 < Ecco> right
2015-11-13T19:08:45 < kc2uez> me too, lunch time
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2015-11-13T19:42:23 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/tBpQkRP.jpg
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2015-11-13T20:33:31 < kc2uez> Laurenceb, have you talked with the battery people on their specifications? LiPo battery failures are very catastrophic. Wondering if the change of atmospheric pressure at the karman line would make it burst.
2015-11-13T20:34:33 < kc2uez> and judging by the cost I don't know if it has been tested for that
2015-11-13T20:36:14 < Laurenceb> I'm not sure about that
2015-11-13T20:36:27 < Laurenceb> aiui the vapour pressures are quite low
2015-11-13T20:36:38 < Laurenceb> I've never heard of lipo explosion on balloon flights
2015-11-13T20:38:18 < kc2uez> true, the ascend rate of a balloon is not as fast
2015-11-13T20:38:21 < jubatus> do lipos work at altitude ?
2015-11-13T20:38:25 < jubatus> they don't freeze to death ?
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2015-11-13T20:39:09 < Laurenceb> depends on the temperature they are at :P
2015-11-13T20:47:02 < Laurenceb> temperautre != altitude
2015-11-13T20:48:11 < BrainDamage> rremember also that if they are actively used they'll self warm
2015-11-13T20:48:13 < BrainDamage> just insulate
2015-11-13T20:48:30 < Laurenceb> yeah there is a risk of overheating the electronics
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2015-11-13T20:59:48 < kc2uez> check out this antenna: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ANT-868-CHP-T/ANT-868-CHP-TCT-ND/1534436
2015-11-13T21:00:27 < jpa-> what about it?
2015-11-13T21:01:18 < kc2uez> Laurenceb, was simulating one for his project, but this one may be a better fit
2015-11-13T21:01:45 < jpa-> ah
2015-11-13T21:07:11 < kakimir> ceramical antennas... how do they work
2015-11-13T21:08:19 < kakimir> why not ceramic antenna Laurenceb?
2015-11-13T21:08:34 < karlp> "too heavy" ;)
2015-11-13T21:09:01 < karlp> also, this is lawrentia, it would be too easy to use an off the shelf part :)
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2015-11-13T21:14:48 < kakimir> oh I forgot it is sub gram project
2015-11-13T21:15:21 < kakimir> still wondering if there was option to have copper trace on outside surface of rocket
2015-11-13T21:16:27 < kc2uez> or a wire tail
2015-11-13T21:17:55 < englishman> copper is too heavy
2015-11-13T21:18:08 < englishman> it has to be titanium carbon fibre nanotubules
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2015-11-13T21:27:09 < kakimir> carbon fiber antenna
2015-11-13T21:27:45 < BrainDamage> with Laurenceb's weight margin even condensation on the rocket surface will make it go tits up
2015-11-13T21:27:52 < kakimir> enlarge rockoon until weight of utilities becomes inrelevant
2015-11-13T21:28:08 < kakimir> thats my advice
2015-11-13T21:28:30 < BrainDamage> he wants to use off the shelf motors, which is essentially most the problem
2015-11-13T21:29:43 < Steffanx> He's our own ivan?
2015-11-13T21:29:46 < kakimir> make v2
2015-11-13T21:32:42 < kakimir> then make little zeppelini to lift it
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2015-11-13T21:46:33 < kakimir> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/11/13/1540248/windows-31-glitch-causes-problems-at-french-airport----wait-31
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2015-11-13T21:54:41 < kc2uez> windows 3.1 what year is this?
2015-11-13T21:55:37 < kakimir> 2015
2015-11-13T21:55:45 < kakimir> win3.1 is nothing
2015-11-13T21:56:13 < kakimir> some systems run operating systems that aren't widelly known anymore
2015-11-13T21:58:32 < kc2uez> if it ain't broke don't fix it
2015-11-13T21:58:35 < mitrax> parts of the swedish social security system run on hardware/OS that's 40+ years old
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2015-11-13T22:00:17 < kakimir> here postal system runs on some more than 30years old gear
2015-11-13T22:00:23 < kakimir> no problems
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2015-11-13T22:01:13 < kakimir> I think I read they changed from tapes to disks few years back
2015-11-13T22:01:15 < mitrax> or at least it still was 5 years ago... spouse of a friend worked there and the mainframe had been running for 20 years without a single shutdown... now i guess that's what mainframe are designed for but still :) i remember they were scared of what would happen if somehow they had to reboot it
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2015-11-13T22:04:04 < kc2uez> you can get more computing power out of a stm32
2015-11-13T22:04:44 < kakimir> propably
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2015-11-13T22:09:19 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DTNO0Mwhhg
2015-11-13T22:09:22 < kakimir> musics
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2015-11-13T22:40:28 < kakimir> movie recommendations?
2015-11-13T22:43:27 < Steffanx> dont watch this new maze runner movie
2015-11-13T22:44:04 < Steffanx> Did ant-man yet kakimir?
2015-11-13T22:45:06 < Fleck> why not Steffanx?
2015-11-13T22:45:16 < Steffanx> Terrible movie imho Fleck
2015-11-13T22:45:26 < Fleck> why?
2015-11-13T22:45:36 < mitrax> BECAUSE IT SUCKS!
2015-11-13T22:45:43 < mitrax> :)
2015-11-13T22:45:59 < Steffanx> YES
2015-11-13T22:46:22 < Fleck> you talk like dongs - that sucks, that's shit, but can't explain why normaly! :D
2015-11-13T22:46:34 < Steffanx> its too mainstream
2015-11-13T22:46:49 < Steffanx> and looks like the writer or the producer couldnt make his mind up..
2015-11-13T22:47:43 < Steffanx> Let's do mysterious, lets do zombie, let's do romance, lets do hero, let's do .. ALL OF IT.
2015-11-13T22:47:49 < Steffanx> [spoiler alert]
2015-11-13T22:48:08 < mitrax> kakimir: it ain't a movie suggestion but if you haven't seen them yet get the first two episodes of Ash vs Evil Dead, if you like silly stuff and gore / comedy you'll love it.
2015-11-13T22:48:40 < Steffanx> Also: lets get as much as possible game of thrones actors in a movie.
2015-11-13T22:48:55 < Steffanx> *many (??)
2015-11-13T22:49:10 < mitrax> talking about GOT actors, i saw terminator genisys
2015-11-13T22:49:13 < mitrax> god it was awful
2015-11-13T22:49:37 < Steffanx> I liked young arnold.. such computer graphics.
2015-11-13T22:49:49 < mitrax> yeah that was impressive, but that's the only good thing about the movie
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2015-11-13T22:50:17 < mitrax> it got me pausing and wondering if they had old footage of the 1984 version cause it looked fucking realistic
2015-11-13T22:50:33 < mitrax> then i checked online and see it was all CGI, very impressive
2015-11-13T22:51:01 < Steffanx> Hah, yeah. Say some short documentairy about how they did that. They spend quite some time and money on that.
2015-11-13T22:51:13 < mitrax> at least the first 30 sec when he arrives in 1984 and walks around naked, the fight scene is not so convincing
2015-11-13T22:51:42 < kakimir> mitrax: no series please
2015-11-13T22:51:48 < Steffanx> series?
2015-11-13T22:52:02 < Steffanx> oh there.
2015-11-13T22:52:19 < kakimir> also no latest hype
2015-11-13T22:52:30 < kakimir> it needs to set down to see what is what
2015-11-13T22:52:54 < Steffanx> or just watch and do your own opinion and stuff?
2015-11-13T22:53:19 < mitrax> yeah... i always grab the first episode and see for myself
2015-11-13T22:53:20 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-13T22:53:32 < Steffanx> http://www.imdb.com/search/title?languages=fi%7C1&title_type=feature&sort=moviemeter,asc
2015-11-13T22:53:48 < mitrax> i don't trust imdb ratings anymore
2015-11-13T22:53:59 < Steffanx> Bunny the killer thing, lol
2015-11-13T22:54:17 < Steffanx> I do trust them mitrax. Everything < 5 is unwatchable
2015-11-13T22:54:42 < Steffanx> Everything above that is maybe watchable
2015-11-13T22:54:58 < Steffanx> unless it's hyped like The Interview and co
2015-11-13T22:55:01 < mitrax> Steffanx: *maybe* i saw a bunch that were >7.5 and total crap
2015-11-13T22:55:21 < kakimir> and Steffanx - no finnish movies
2015-11-13T22:55:49 < Steffanx> Go watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076734/ kakimir (dutch movie)
2015-11-13T22:56:28 < mitrax> kakimir: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
2015-11-13T22:56:52 < Steffanx> I never watched that because "Drama, Romance," .
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2015-11-13T22:57:01 < mitrax> Steffanx: you should it's really nice
2015-11-13T22:58:09 < mitrax> kakimir: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
2015-11-13T22:58:46 < mitrax> kakimir: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1588170/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
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2015-11-13T23:02:49 < kakimir> No drama, no romance, no horror
2015-11-13T23:02:56 < kakimir> also no WWII drama
2015-11-13T23:02:57 < Steffanx> scifi only?
2015-11-13T23:03:18 < mitrax> kakimir: did you mean PORN movies or what?
2015-11-13T23:05:37 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/NCrId for kakimir
2015-11-13T23:07:19 < mitrax> i like the machinist
2015-11-13T23:07:31 < mitrax> *like/liked
2015-11-13T23:08:15 < kakimir> hmm... bale
2015-11-13T23:08:38 < Steffanx> Come on mr kakimir
2015-11-13T23:08:40 < mitrax> saw american psycho a day after, and that's only when checking the credits that i realized it was christian bales in both
2015-11-13T23:09:08 < kakimir> can't see bale without knife and he has worn face anyways
2015-11-13T23:10:14 < mitrax> kakimir: what about this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058331/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 ? no bale, no drama, no romance, no horror
2015-11-13T23:10:26 < kakimir> I think I like movies that are scifi kind of have action and comedy to it
2015-11-13T23:10:35 < Steffanx> but it has Dick Van Dyke
2015-11-13T23:10:55 < Steffanx> Men in black it is then
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2015-11-13T23:11:56 < kakimir> something I have not seen yet
2015-11-13T23:15:15 < Steffanx> Can't help you with that because i dont have a list with the movies you've seen.
2015-11-13T23:19:38 < kakimir> I forget movies instantly
2015-11-13T23:19:56 < kakimir> nice you try to help me
2015-11-13T23:21:55 < kakimir> I liked ie. that guardians of the galaxy thing
2015-11-13T23:28:12 < kakimir> mad max - yeah
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2015-11-13T23:52:13 < Laurenceb__> re earlier discussion on antenna
2015-11-13T23:52:15 < Laurenceb__> http://www.taoglas.com/images/product_images/original_images/PA.25a%20Hexa-band%20PIFA%2003162010.pdf
2015-11-13T23:52:16 < Laurenceb__> page 10
2015-11-13T23:53:11 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: how about film antenna externally placed on rockoon surface?
2015-11-13T23:53:17 < kakimir> or wire
2015-11-13T23:53:28 < Laurenceb__> thats kind of what I have designed with the helix
2015-11-13T23:53:41 < kakimir> how about ceramic
2015-11-13T23:54:08 < kakimir> so why don't you use that helix?
2015-11-13T23:54:31 < Laurenceb__> englishman was talking about ceramic antenna
2015-11-13T23:54:38 < Laurenceb__> but they need a large ground plane to work
2015-11-13T23:54:47 < kakimir> oh
2015-11-13T23:54:49 < Laurenceb__> this is about the best
2015-11-13T23:54:50 < Laurenceb__> http://www.yageo.com/documents/recent/An_SMD_870_1204_CHE_01.pdf
2015-11-13T23:55:10 < Laurenceb__> but itd need ground wires running down the outside of the rocket
2015-11-13T23:56:04 < englishman> I get good swr from dummy loads
2015-11-13T23:56:16 < englishman> Gain isn't the greatest tho
2015-11-13T23:56:29 < kakimir> thats huge
2015-11-13T23:57:08 < kakimir> what is inside ceramic antenna?
2015-11-13T23:58:33 < Laurenceb__> ceramic
2015-11-13T23:59:05 < Laurenceb__> also Ag metallisation and proprietary resonator designs
2015-11-13T23:59:06 < kakimir> is there any wizardry inside?
2015-11-13T23:59:23 < Laurenceb__> wizardchan inside
2015-11-13T23:59:23 < kakimir> oh that surface is ag
2015-11-13T23:59:50 < Laurenceb__> this isnt too bad
2015-11-13T23:59:51 < Laurenceb__> http://www.taoglas.com/images/product_images/original_images/PC81.07.0100A.dB%20868MHz%20ISM%20PCB%20Antenna%20290110.pdf
2015-11-13T23:59:56 < kakimir> why resonators inside?
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2015-11-14T00:00:07 < Laurenceb__> to boost the E field
2015-11-14T00:02:26 < kakimir> some multi part antenna?
2015-11-14T00:02:51 < kakimir> and those resonators are like between those plates or so?
2015-11-14T00:04:41 < kakimir> why it propiertary design?
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2015-11-14T00:04:54 < Laurenceb__> because $$$
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2015-11-14T00:05:20 < kakimir> is there something difficulties to design resonator?
2015-11-14T00:05:31 < kakimir> *a resonator
2015-11-14T00:06:17 < kakimir> is it the manufacturing process or resonator itself that is propiertary?
2015-11-14T00:08:37 < Laurenceb__> the design mostly
2015-11-14T00:08:38 < Laurenceb__> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Ethertronics/1001826_May2013.pdf
2015-11-14T00:08:40 < Laurenceb__> lol page 3
2015-11-14T00:08:47 < Laurenceb__> so much cheating going on there
2015-11-14T00:10:01 < kakimir> dat ground plane
2015-11-14T00:10:28 < englishman> what is the rockette made out of Laurenceb__
2015-11-14T00:10:45 < Laurenceb__> paper/phenolic
2015-11-14T00:11:01 < englishman> cool
2015-11-14T00:11:30 < Laurenceb__> some pretty impressive paper
2015-11-14T00:11:40 < Laurenceb__> very high modulus and tensile strength
2015-11-14T00:11:53 < Laurenceb__> it sounds like ceramic if you tap it
2015-11-14T00:14:51 < kakimir> paper is wood
2015-11-14T00:16:18 < kakimir> fiber
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2015-11-14T00:24:24 < kakimir> wood and wood fiber based parts can be used as fiberglass replacement
2015-11-14T00:26:18 < kakimir> to build an airplane in example
2015-11-14T00:27:32 < kakimir> compareable to FG structure properties
2015-11-14T00:28:39 < englishman> laurenceb is all about space grade papier maché
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2015-11-14T00:35:58 < Laurenceb__> http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/W3000/553-2577-2-ND/2267899
2015-11-14T00:36:00 < Laurenceb__> ^thats almost good
2015-11-14T00:36:09 < Laurenceb__> oh wow
2015-11-14T00:36:11 < Laurenceb__> http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/pulse_w3118a.pdf
2015-11-14T00:36:13 < Laurenceb__> pwnage
2015-11-14T00:37:12 < englishman> if you want a large light gndplane you can try some of that gold plated kapton
2015-11-14T00:37:14 < englishman> legit space shit
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2015-11-14T00:38:16 < Laurenceb__> hmm good idea
2015-11-14T00:38:32 < Laurenceb__> this W118A thing shouldnt need it
2015-11-14T00:38:38 < Laurenceb__> its a vertical helix
2015-11-14T00:38:42 < Laurenceb__> but no full datasheet :S
2015-11-14T00:38:59 < englishman> ohh is that whats going on lol
2015-11-14T00:39:35 < Laurenceb__> its like my antenna designed in 4nec2, only with dielectric down the middle
2015-11-14T00:39:43 < Laurenceb__> so its much smaller
2015-11-14T00:40:21 < englishman> datasheet still sez 10x4cm gndplane
2015-11-14T00:40:44 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-11-14T00:40:56 < Laurenceb__> but that might just be what they used for testing
2015-11-14T00:41:09 < Laurenceb__> need to see proper recommended footprint to work it out
2015-11-14T00:41:34 < Laurenceb__> as it operates differently to normal ceramic chips which are compressed monopoles
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2015-11-14T00:44:08 < englishman> maybe can use 2 of them on each side of the board
2015-11-14T00:44:10 < englishman> :)
2015-11-14T00:48:59 < mitrax> uh oh
2015-11-14T00:49:03 < mitrax> 60+ dead in paris
2015-11-14T00:49:28 < Laurenceb__> time to ship the  Kolokol-1 to paris
2015-11-14T00:50:19 < mitrax> Laurenceb: no shit
2015-11-14T00:50:21 < englishman> ya its pretty crazy
2015-11-14T00:50:22 < englishman> https://twitter.com/moushi93160/status/665285095675314176
2015-11-14T00:53:01 < mitrax> supposedly one of the guy said "that's for Syria"... hey... must be one of those "moderate rebels" or a sympathizer
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2015-11-14T00:55:05 < Laurenceb__> what
2015-11-14T00:55:06 < Laurenceb__> http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Russian_Sleep_Experiment
2015-11-14T00:55:13 < Laurenceb__> so much BS
2015-11-14T00:55:17 < Laurenceb__> cool story bro
2015-11-14T00:56:51 < GargantuaSauce> no you are wrong
2015-11-14T00:56:57 < GargantuaSauce> all creepypasta is verifiably true
2015-11-14T00:57:25 < Laurenceb__> defiantly
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2015-11-14T01:46:42 < kakimir> french false flag?
2015-11-14T01:46:54 < Sync> ^
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2015-11-14T01:49:11 < mitrax> kakimir:l what did you end up watching?
2015-11-14T01:50:12 < kakimir> absolutely anything
2015-11-14T01:51:17  * mitrax is watching antman
2015-11-14T01:55:16 < jadew> so wtf happened?
2015-11-14T01:55:20 < jadew> got links?
2015-11-14T01:56:32 < mitrax> simultaneous shootings in various place in paris
2015-11-14T01:56:39 < mitrax> 60+ dead atm
2015-11-14T01:56:41 < jadew> no way...
2015-11-14T01:56:52 < jadew> my wife just told me there were shootings
2015-11-14T01:56:57 < jadew> didn't read anything yet
2015-11-14T01:57:04 < jadew> when did it happen?
2015-11-14T01:57:18 < mitrax> it started 5 hours ago
2015-11-14T01:57:26 < kakimir> countdown to closing europe
2015-11-14T01:57:35 < jadew> yeah... europe is closing
2015-11-14T01:58:22 < mitrax> well ... that's what you get for fucking up the middle east and lybia
2015-11-14T01:58:25 < BrainDamage> france already closed borders
2015-11-14T01:58:34 < jadew> now?
2015-11-14T01:58:36 < Sync> ye
2015-11-14T01:58:37 < jadew> or before?
2015-11-14T01:58:40 < mitrax> now
2015-11-14T01:59:25 < kakimir> it's to keep culprits inside I guess
2015-11-14T01:59:37 < mitrax> indeed that's to prevent people from getting out :)
2015-11-14T02:00:10 < kakimir> but there will be discussion as early as.. tommorow maybe? about closing europe
2015-11-14T02:00:48 < jadew> definitely
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2015-11-14T02:01:07 < mitrax> closing borders!? eh HELL NO, THAT'S FASCISM !
2015-11-14T02:01:18 < mitrax> :)
2015-11-14T02:01:43 < kakimir> that is
2015-11-14T02:02:21 < kakimir> okay if bordersare closed
2015-11-14T02:02:32 < kakimir> what does it mean for future of europe
2015-11-14T02:02:47 < jadew> nothing
2015-11-14T02:02:53 < jadew> they'll still be open between us
2015-11-14T02:03:07 < kakimir> that would be nice
2015-11-14T02:03:55 < jadew> but I think the immigration is going to stop as of... tomorrow
2015-11-14T02:04:06 < mitrax> nah
2015-11-14T02:04:17 < kakimir> that's too soon mate
2015-11-14T02:05:12 < kakimir> we don't want it to look planned..
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2015-11-14T02:07:34 < kakimir> I think they are planning to do little radicalisation trick
2015-11-14T02:08:09 < kakimir> to native citizen and immigrant fear each other like hell
2015-11-14T02:08:47 < mitrax> well that's already the case here
2015-11-14T02:08:49 < kakimir> lead to instabilisation of europe and rise of new goverments
2015-11-14T02:09:14 < kakimir> that are worked on underground
2015-11-14T02:09:37 < kakimir> mitrax: where?
2015-11-14T02:09:43 < mitrax> france
2015-11-14T02:09:56 < kakimir> what is the case?
2015-11-14T02:11:24 < mitrax> people fearing each other... and it's not even between native and immigrants, but between ethnies even though some are french since 3 or 4 generations
2015-11-14T02:12:28 < kakimir> sucks
2015-11-14T02:13:17 < kakimir> when I don't fear the people
2015-11-14T02:13:28 < mitrax> basically in most people's head people of arab origin = radical muslim = potential terrorist, and it won't get any better after what happened
2015-11-14T02:13:30 < kakimir> I nether feel anything else about them
2015-11-14T02:15:10 < mitrax> but well... it fits very well the politician agenda as it diverts the social anger that's growing to some other target
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2015-11-14T02:18:39 < Laurenceb__> holy shit they blew up the theatre
2015-11-14T02:18:51 < Laurenceb__> news here says everyone died
2015-11-14T02:19:47 < Laurenceb__> russians are like "now who looks stupid for not using sleeping gas"
2015-11-14T02:20:21 < jadew> apparently 100 dead so far
2015-11-14T02:20:31 < jadew> https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/665322632837894144
2015-11-14T02:20:55 < jadew> wait, 100 just at the concert? omg...
2015-11-14T02:21:03 < jadew> this is awful
2015-11-14T02:22:42 < mitrax> geez seems like they threw grenades in the theater
2015-11-14T02:24:21 < Sync> well, that's what I'd expect if somebody raids such an event
2015-11-14T02:24:37 < Sync> but apparently that never happens
2015-11-14T02:24:48 < kakimir> I think refugees need some extra protection for on
2015-11-14T02:25:39 < dongs> who did it?
2015-11-14T02:25:40 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/MartaClinco/status/665312379673161728
2015-11-14T02:25:56 < BrainDamage> not a news source, but, your concern might be a bit late
2015-11-14T02:26:01 < kakimir> at least here folk on corner tables don't really feel good about eu, immigrants or anything and as a group can do harm
2015-11-14T02:26:03 < jadew> dongs, doesn't seem like that information was released to the media
2015-11-14T02:26:33 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/665323872422486016
2015-11-14T02:26:52 < kakimir> france is to be destroyed?
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2015-11-14T02:28:28 < artag> since when was twitter a reliable source of comment ?
2015-11-14T02:28:29 < kakimir> aand.. is it a good thing?
2015-11-14T02:30:04 < BrainDamage> you can have it fast, or you can have it reviewed, not both
2015-11-14T02:30:11 < ambro718> Hi. Anyone have problems with printf precision/field-width in the latest build of gcc-arm-embedded? I get printf("%02" PRIx8, (uint8_t)123); --> "0hx". Same for %.2
2015-11-14T02:30:36 < artag> I don't see any need for fast-but-false. Why is fast important ?
2015-11-14T02:31:02 < kakimir> does french have influency in the global game?
2015-11-14T02:31:02 < BrainDamage> not all of that is false
2015-11-14T02:31:34 < mitrax> kakimir: not really... french politicians just do as the US says
2015-11-14T02:31:57 < artag> BrainDamage: but if I don't have any way to determine which is true and which is false, none of it is of any use to me
2015-11-14T02:33:43 < BrainDamage> are you being intentionally dense?
2015-11-14T02:33:49 < artag> no
2015-11-14T02:34:04 < BrainDamage> you can cross check sources, and do some verifcation yourself
2015-11-14T02:34:18 < BrainDamage> and just maintain a degree of skepticism
2015-11-14T02:34:27 < mtbg> ambro718: what is your PRIx8?
2015-11-14T02:34:34 < artag> if I have many facts laid out before be with no way to determine their truth, what possible use are they ?
2015-11-14T02:35:02 < kakimir> artag: who has dem facts?
2015-11-14T02:35:14 < artag> s/facts/reports/
2015-11-14T02:35:54 < ambro718> mtbg: it's a standard macro from <inttypes.h>, probably hhx
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2015-11-14T02:36:32 < artag> we were talking about twitter, but it applies to any sources. Including news agencies. You have to have some sort of trust in the reports, or ignore them
2015-11-14T02:37:04 < kakimir> what is reliable report source?
2015-11-14T02:38:11 < kakimir> as far as I see integrity of reports can be bend or lacking completely
2015-11-14T02:39:12 < artag> it rather depends on the news. For the UK, I trust one or two news agencies and mistrust others. For the rest of the world, I have very little to go on. I tend to wait until many people have produced an analysis and come to a consensus. Hence there's no value for me in speed.
2015-11-14T02:39:25 < fenugrec> ambro718: your code worked fine with a previous gcc version ? what are they ? (old & new), and where did you download your toolchain
2015-11-14T02:40:41 < ambro718> fenugrec: good 4.9-2015q2-20150609, bad 4.9-2015q3-20150921. The Linux builds on https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2015-11-14T02:40:54 < kakimir> I just wonder what the hand behind curtain is casting out of blood and destruction
2015-11-14T02:42:58 < fenugrec> ambro718: but printf("%02X", 170) would work fine ?
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2015-11-14T02:43:44 < Laurenceb__> dongs: was it the jews?
2015-11-14T02:43:46 < Laurenceb__>  /sarc
2015-11-14T02:44:44 < upgrdman> any video of what going on in france?
2015-11-14T02:45:13 < jadew> upgrdman: live report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
2015-11-14T02:46:01 < jadew> https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking
2015-11-14T02:46:09 < ambro718> fenugrec: nope, same broken result
2015-11-14T02:48:33 < ambro718> oh wait I'm looking at the wrong code..
2015-11-14T02:50:44 < kakimir> any boold and guts video?
2015-11-14T02:50:47 < kakimir> blood
2015-11-14T02:51:02 < dongs> in 2015 there should be some 4K recordings hopefully
2015-11-14T02:51:03 < Simon--> any cases of involved stm32?
2015-11-14T02:51:12 < dongs> Simon--: lole
2015-11-14T02:51:18 < kakimir> I don't buy it if there is no 4K recording
2015-11-14T02:51:25 < kakimir> many angles
2015-11-14T02:51:27 < dongs> why is obama spewing some shit
2015-11-14T02:52:06 < kakimir> obama is nice
2015-11-14T02:52:17 < Laurenceb__> stm32 did 911
2015-11-14T02:52:41 < kakimir> interesting theory
2015-11-14T02:52:49 < Simon--> hehe
2015-11-14T02:53:09 < ambro718> kakimir: yes %02X and %02x work
2015-11-14T02:53:59 < kakimir> okay
2015-11-14T02:56:45 < kakimir> real life close combat
2015-11-14T02:56:51 < fenugrec> ambro718: try with other PRI* macros, see how that goes - and probably post a report on gcc-arm.
2015-11-14T03:03:12 < ambro718> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+bug/1516185
2015-11-14T03:06:08 < dongs> I have made contact with an alternative manufacturer this evening to see if I can arrange a special offer for the 12,000 Kickstarter backers who now look unlikely to receive their Zano drones or a functional Zano drone. I recognise that Kickstarter projects are always a risk, however I do feel that we have been let down.
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2015-11-14T03:06:13 < dongs> As such this would be an ideal PR opportunity for another manufacturer to come to the rescue and an ideal opportunity to engage with this group of drone enthusiasts.
2015-11-14T03:06:17 < dongs> wat
2015-11-14T03:06:26 < dongs> special offer of dildos?
2015-11-14T03:07:58 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks
2015-11-14T03:14:56 < kakimir> you have hard on dongs?
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2015-11-14T03:59:30 < upgrdman> http://gfycat.com/AbsoluteAshamedIberianmidwifetoad
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2015-11-14T04:33:20 < dongs> upgrdman: haha
2015-11-14T04:33:24 < dongs> is that the mongol shit or whatever
2015-11-14T04:33:29 < dongs> saw news didnt click
2015-11-14T04:34:05 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-14T04:34:14 < upgrdman> mongolian barbeque
2015-11-14T04:34:54 < dongs> http://chucklorre.com/index.php?p=255c heh
2015-11-14T04:37:15 < upgrdman> heh
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2015-11-14T04:46:53 < Getty> wowow :) shootings and earthquakes
2015-11-14T04:47:15 < Getty> if it now adds up a tsunami, then we get a triple jackpot
2015-11-14T04:49:39 < dongs> apparently there was a 30cm tsunami
2015-11-14T04:49:57 < Getty> 30cm?
2015-11-14T04:50:00 < Getty> isnt that called a "wave"?
2015-11-14T04:50:02 < dongs> yes
2015-11-14T04:52:07 < aandrew> wtf?
2015-11-14T04:52:11 < aandrew> self-immoleation?
2015-11-14T04:54:49 < dongs> self-dongulation
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2015-11-14T04:57:47 < __rob> Getty, I think the difference is the wavelength
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2015-11-14T05:02:24 < Getty> but the stuff in paris is  heavy
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2015-11-14T05:28:33 < dongs> ATTENTION WEB SURFER! CLOUDFLARE HAS DETECTED YOU ARE TOO BIG OF A FAGGOT TO VIEW THIS PAGE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE REDIRECTED TO A GALLERY FULL OF THROBBING DICKS?
2015-11-14T05:28:41 < bloated> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDGe_XCJGRM#t=8
2015-11-14T05:29:25 < bloated> ^ next kickstarter sensation
2015-11-14T05:29:40 < dongs> comet phone already d id this
2015-11-14T05:30:34 < aandrew> hahahahahah
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2015-11-14T05:40:39 < ReadMobl> Can anyone post me a copy (or a link) of the terms and conditions for this Project? I'm initiating a "chargeback" with Visa and they need to see the T&Cs I "accepted" for this project. I'm one of the gullible ones that believed the representation of "swarming" and hence ordered THREE Zanos.
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2015-11-14T05:43:16 < upgrdman> so whats the story with zano? they officially folded or something? still kicking?
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2015-11-14T05:44:24 < dongs> PIC32MZ became NRND
2015-11-14T05:44:46 < dongs> ivan has to rewrite MIPS asm into the next big thing
2015-11-14T05:46:22 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: the ceo quit when his fantasy failed.  I am sure he'll blame everyone but him.  Watching that video from 4 years ago with his other drone and this now shows me he's not someone who can see something through to the end.
2015-11-14T05:49:16 < upgrdman> ceo quit? so is Cocking Group disbanded, or running head-less?
2015-11-14T05:49:44 < dongs> ceo = ivan
2015-11-14T05:49:53 < dongs> so the biggest bullshitter has quit
2015-11-14T05:50:15 < dongs> http://noflyzano.com/no.pdf just read through some of the shit he spewed
2015-11-14T05:51:18 < dongs> If I wanted to hide anything, why would I deliberately tie my entire life together? Videos are coming, we wanted to surprise everyone not be harassed into releasing them before we were ready. Even when we do release these videos, baseless accusations will still follow.
2015-11-14T05:51:22 < dongs> haha
2015-11-14T05:52:31 < upgrdman> any one here know of a windows irc client that is "dpi aware" ?
2015-11-14T05:52:35 < dongs> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/diy-seven-segment-displays.jpg
2015-11-14T05:52:38 < dongs> jebus fuck
2015-11-14T05:52:42 < dongs> why
2015-11-14T05:52:47 < dongs> why all these fucking tiny wires
2015-11-14T05:52:49 < dongs> on 0805 leds
2015-11-14T05:52:56 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-14T05:53:02 < dongs> if you wanna make a fucking 7segment, make a pcb for them, then pour it inside plastic mold/wahtever?
2015-11-14T05:53:06 < dongs> fuck
2015-11-14T05:53:11 < dongs> dumb fucking makers
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2015-11-14T05:55:18 < __rob> Roklobsta, gotta link to that 4 year old drone he made?
2015-11-14T05:55:41 < dongs> rob, that engineeringtv thing
2015-11-14T05:55:49 < dongs> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/SQ-4-RECON-Micro-UAV-AUVSI-Unma
2015-11-14T05:58:46 < __rob> so that must be all bs aswell then
2015-11-14T05:59:04 < dongs> cant you tell just by listening?
2015-11-14T05:59:07 < __rob> you'd think if that was 4 years ago then the zano would have just been a formality to bang out
2015-11-14T05:59:18 < Roklobsta> this sort of garbage does pay off.  The whole "Adam's Platform" from the early 2000's here in .au netted the same kind of technology bulshitter a lot of money without any real consequences.
2015-11-14T06:01:41 < dongs> efficiency of the switching circuitry
2015-11-14T06:01:53 < dongs> hobbyking turnigy motors and gws 3blade props
2015-11-14T06:01:54 < Roklobsta> Adam's Platform was a whole "HDTV on 56k dialup" miracle compression.
2015-11-14T06:02:18 < dongs> and props balanced with electrical type
2015-11-14T06:02:24 < Roklobsta> lots of secret black box demos and 'dog at my homework' excuses
2015-11-14T06:02:40 < __rob> he keeps talking about that drone as "it does abc" .. I think he actually means "I want to make it do abc"
2015-11-14T06:03:03 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/9/6/0/6/4/a5799284-160-DSCF0663.jpg
2015-11-14T06:03:14 < dongs> oh look , top secret torquing motors
2015-11-14T06:03:18 < __rob> madness, hes quite convincing tho
2015-11-14T06:03:47 < dongs> __rob: if you read http://noflyzano.com/no.pdf he's even more convincing.
2015-11-14T06:03:51 < dongs> or any of thier dumb videos
2015-11-14T06:04:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/user/flyzano/videos
2015-11-14T06:04:18 < dongs> creating zano part <wahtever>
2015-11-14T06:04:23 < __rob> yea, I had a glance at that
2015-11-14T06:05:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwvCbHvnss
2015-11-14T06:05:23 < __rob> that 4 year old one actually looks better than the zano
2015-11-14T06:05:40 < __rob> no shots of it stationary though, and not seen any with the zano either
2015-11-14T06:05:54 < dongs> you mean hovering?
2015-11-14T06:05:58 < __rob> looks like my christmas cracker mobile phone helicopter
2015-11-14T06:06:02 < __rob> which is impossible to control
2015-11-14T06:06:08 < dongs> the videos of it flying are just manual control
2015-11-14T06:06:14 < dongs> what you get with a $30 chiancopter
2015-11-14T06:06:15 < __rob> did cost about £5 mind
2015-11-14T06:06:26 < __rob> yes, but not seen it hover
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2015-11-14T06:08:22 < dongs> lol @ communicating over avoidance IR pulses
2015-11-14T06:08:30 < dongs> they c ant even get avoidance part working
2015-11-14T06:09:57 < [7]> the idea is interesting though ;)
2015-11-14T06:10:11 < [7]> and I see no reason why that wouldn't be feasible
2015-11-14T06:11:34  * [7] still can't believe that a missing pull-up on MISO just caused him hours of scratching his head
2015-11-14T06:18:47 < upgrdman> ? spi is push-pull.
2015-11-14T06:23:16 < aandrew> yes but there might be some braindead strapping option on the pin which was causing weird inconsistent shit on powerup/rest
2015-11-14T06:23:19 < aandrew> reset
2015-11-14T06:23:21 < aandrew> I"ve been there before
2015-11-14T06:23:28 < aandrew> I really hate strapping pins that are integrated with other shit
2015-11-14T06:23:33 < aandrew> PHYs are particularly bad at that
2015-11-14T06:23:36 < aandrew> both USB and ethernet
2015-11-14T06:23:45 < aandrew> s/bad at that/bad for that/
2015-11-14T06:24:14 < upgrdman> would send a reset command to the spi/phy not fix it?
2015-11-14T06:24:37 < aandrew> if it came out of reset and MISO was low, no
2015-11-14T06:25:08 < aandrew> think of it this way
2015-11-14T06:25:18 < aandrew> you put the part in reset, it tristates everything, including MISO
2015-11-14T06:25:38 < aandrew> it comes out of reset and that pin has a little more capacitance than you expected so it "lingers" more in the low or indeterminate area
2015-11-14T06:25:55 < aandrew> end of reset latches that screwy state and there you go
2015-11-14T06:26:30 < upgrdman> no. i mean after mcu exits reset, you issue an spi command to the problematic peripheral to reset. that peripheral then resets, not the mcu.
2015-11-14T06:26:54 < aandrew> I'm talking about the peripheral being reset and having a strapping option on MISO
2015-11-14T06:27:14 < aandrew> besides, waht if that strapping pin was an i2c/spi selection... error.
2015-11-14T06:27:29 < aandrew> like I said, I fucking hate multiplexed strapping pins
2015-11-14T06:27:31 < upgrdman> ya that'd suck ass
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2015-11-14T06:34:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XJWdKpi.jpg breaking stoner news
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2015-11-14T06:41:16 < upgrdman> what a nice torrent client for windows?
2015-11-14T06:42:50 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/SrO1jhx
2015-11-14T06:43:38 < aandrew> upgrdman: for those who look at taking a dump as performance art
2015-11-14T06:43:49 < upgrdman> inorite
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2015-11-14T06:50:41 < upgrdman> typical jap  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c0e_1447369457
2015-11-14T06:51:25 < upgrdman> starts at 0:30
2015-11-14T06:58:58 < upgrdman> R2COM:
2015-11-14T06:59:00 < upgrdman> typical jap  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c0e_1447369457
2015-11-14T06:59:02 < upgrdman> starts at 0:30
2015-11-14T07:07:03 < upgrdman> going to make an internet-connected freezer?
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2015-11-14T08:07:53 < dongs> wait wat
2015-11-14T08:07:59 < dongs> whats with monoblog
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2015-11-14T10:45:50 < dongs> dead as shit
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2015-11-14T11:34:05 < Steffanx> who killed it?
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2015-11-14T11:49:40 < dongs> zano
2015-11-14T11:50:32 < Steffanx> zano was never really alive
2015-11-14T11:52:34 < Roklobsta> you can't kill what is already dead
2015-11-14T11:53:12 < Roklobsta> i am sure it's a promo line from some crappy 80's movie.
2015-11-14T11:54:10 < Roklobsta> been drinking or off the meds?
2015-11-14T11:55:31 < Roklobsta> that was some rant earlier
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2015-11-14T12:17:23 < dongs> sylvie1834 has sent you a 400,00 EUR counteroffer for the following eBay
2015-11-14T12:17:23 < dongs> item. You have 48 hours or until the listing ends to consider the offer.
2015-11-14T12:17:24 < dongs> haha
2015-11-14T12:17:28 < dongs> who the fuck is he kidding
2015-11-14T12:17:36 < dongs> some french fuck put zano up for sale @ 500 eur
2015-11-14T12:17:45 < dongs> i gave him 35 eur offer
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2015-11-14T12:19:32 < Steffanx> lol, just to rant more about it?
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2015-11-14T12:20:08 < dongs> sure
2015-11-14T12:20:18 < Steffanx> Found another project to rant about yet dongs? I mean, something has to be the topic here now zano is really close to dead now
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2015-11-14T13:25:00 < dongs>  BREAKING: London's Gatwick Airport evacuated due to security threat; flights delayed
2015-11-14T13:25:04 < dongs> RIP Laurenceb__
2015-11-14T13:25:15 < dongs> Witnesses said armed police were arresting a man believed to have a gun in his bag.
2015-11-14T13:25:56 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ got arrested with his rockoon prototypes?
2015-11-14T13:26:14 < dongs> yea
2015-11-14T13:26:23 < Steffanx> ( im still not sure if those rockoons actually exists or are still a Laurenceb__ brainfart thing )
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2015-11-14T13:36:39 < dongs> ISIS: 8 brothers, our people, have killed hundreds of infidels who gathered at a reckless prostitution party in Paris, the capital of prostitution and debauchery. These are just the first few drops of the rain.
2015-11-14T13:36:43 < dongs> haha
2015-11-14T13:40:49 < Roklobsta> spoken like a buncha guys who don't get enough sex and alcohol.
2015-11-14T13:43:20 < dongs> http://www.airtops.com/ zano clone found
2015-11-14T13:43:43 < dongs> http://www.airtops.com/jingjing.html more specificall t his
2015-11-14T13:44:34 < Steffanx> but no wifi: 2KM
2015-11-14T13:45:39 < Roklobsta> what's happened to the Zano HPC?
2015-11-14T13:45:48 < dongs> powered down
2015-11-14T13:45:55 < dongs> cuz cant pay 2k GBP/month in electric bill
2015-11-14T13:46:06 < dongs> thats when they moved website from that to some shitty DSL
2015-11-14T13:46:43 < Steffanx> and such photoshop skills http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/large/470bf257gw1eolkn6oiegj20sg0iydkc.jpg
2015-11-14T13:46:51 < Steffanx> oh that one doesnt fork
2015-11-14T13:46:57 < dongs> haha
2015-11-14T13:46:59 < dongs> is that the original pic?
2015-11-14T13:47:12 < Roklobsta> what kind of twit thought that some HPC (BTW the sort of processing power than an i3/5/7 has in spades now) was going to deblur their footage like an episode of CSI?
2015-11-14T13:47:12 < Steffanx> yes
2015-11-14T13:47:12 < dongs> the one i saw had that photoshopped drone in it
2015-11-14T13:47:34 < dongs> Roklobsta: they are like ~100 dual quadcore xeon blades
2015-11-14T13:47:44 < dongs> so it is just pc hardware technically
2015-11-14T13:47:58 < dongs> 16gb ram on each and 15k rpm 73gb hdd
2015-11-14T13:48:00 < dongs> lol.
2015-11-14T13:48:09 < dongs> maybe ivan was crunching buttcoin on that shit
2015-11-14T13:48:10 < dongs> for a year
2015-11-14T13:48:19 < dongs> then they found out & booted him
2015-11-14T13:50:38 < Steffanx> such likely scenario
2015-11-14T13:50:45 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1524339386/worlds-smallest-c64-emulator looks like this guy isnt gonna make it
2015-11-14T13:51:14 < dongs> i'd offer him prototyping but not when he makes 6layer boards for no reason
2015-11-14T13:51:22 < dongs> (and in eagle)
2015-11-14T13:51:23 < dongs> fuck that.
2015-11-14T13:51:35 < dongs> doesnt 6 layer eagle cost like >$1000
2015-11-14T13:51:50 < Roklobsta> obvioulsy enough people with money think that massive image enhancing is merely a supercomputer problem and that it's entirely possible.
2015-11-14T13:51:59 < dongs> Roklobsta: haha, righ
2015-11-14T13:52:08 < dongs> ENHANCE > ENHANCE > ZOOM IN HERE
2015-11-14T13:52:33 < Roklobsta> WTF put a 12MPixel camera on when 1 will do and some blade time?
2015-11-14T13:53:06 < dongs> k eagle BUSINESS 2-16 layers
2015-11-14T13:53:09 < Roklobsta> fools and their money....
2015-11-14T13:53:13 < dongs> eagle MAKE 4-6
2015-11-14T13:54:05 < Roklobsta> Huh? Didn't Jeri make an emulator in a joystick 10 years ago?
2015-11-14T13:54:07 < dongs> eagle biz standard, layout+schematic = $575, up to 6 layers
2015-11-14T13:54:14 < dongs> jerry didnt make shit
2015-11-14T13:54:25 < dongs> cunt took credit for stuff, then failed to deliver, and they had to hire someone else to finish it
2015-11-14T13:54:35 < Roklobsta> but she's so smart!
2015-11-14T13:54:40 < Roklobsta> sefl taught!
2015-11-14T13:54:46 < Roklobsta> genius!
2015-11-14T13:54:53 < dongs> speaking of jerry time to check that shitty glases thing they made
2015-11-14T13:54:57 < dongs> Laurenceb__: beep wat was it called
2015-11-14T13:55:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technicalillusions/castar-the-most-versatile-ar-and-vr-system
2015-11-14T13:56:34 < dongs> What does this mean for Kickstarter? Delivery! We remain committed, as we always have, to giving our Kickstarter backers a high quality product and experience. Of course with only nine people and an ambitious engineering plan, it clearly has taken us longer than we had planned, but among other things, this investment will make sure we complete the Kickstarter in the next several months.
2015-11-14T13:56:40 < dongs> haha
2015-11-14T13:56:43 < dongs> i guess its not delivered yet
2015-11-14T13:59:16 < Steffanx> http://castar.com/careers/ give it a  go dongs.
2015-11-14T14:01:28 < dongs> er
2015-11-14T14:01:38 < dongs> their jobs listing looks like they cant fucking do anything at hte moment
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2015-11-14T14:04:04 < dongs> Laurenceb_ has castar shipped
2015-11-14T14:04:08 < dongs> something satisfactory
2015-11-14T14:07:22 < dongs> i've got a killer idea for dickstarter
2015-11-14T14:07:28 < dongs> with minimal effort involved
2015-11-14T14:09:50 < Laurenceb_> Castar?!
2015-11-14T14:09:55 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-14T14:09:57 < dongs> jerry shit
2015-11-14T14:10:00 < Laurenceb_> I thought they finished it ages ago lol
2015-11-14T14:10:04 < dongs> oh
2015-11-14T14:10:06 < dongs> does it work?
2015-11-14T14:10:14 < BrainDamage> >dickstarter >finished
2015-11-14T14:10:16 < Laurenceb_> dunno lol
2015-11-14T14:10:29 < Laurenceb_> holy startup generator
2015-11-14T14:10:34 < Laurenceb_> their webshite
2015-11-14T14:10:40 < dongs> yeah lol
2015-11-14T14:10:51 < Roklobsta> Doesn't look credible.  They have a cat and dog on the staff.
2015-11-14T14:11:01 < dongs> yeah they keep posting retarded cat pics
2015-11-14T14:11:05 < dongs> in dickstarter updates
2015-11-14T14:11:08 < dongs> like who gives a fuck
2015-11-14T14:11:21 < Roklobsta> It's the distraction while they reach around and steal your wallet.
2015-11-14T14:11:39 < Roklobsta> Like gypsies in Rome.
2015-11-14T14:12:16 < Laurenceb_> never give them Calcium
2015-11-14T14:12:41 < Roklobsta> oh god no
2015-11-14T14:12:45 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGbV20g8BM
2015-11-14T14:13:45 < dongs> weat
2015-11-14T14:14:36 < Roklobsta> If you have some spare time watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4CRCJUmWsM
2015-11-14T14:15:35 < Laurenceb_> fake science show mad by british trollz
2015-11-14T14:16:38 < Roklobsta> I remember the kinds of shows they were making fun of.  Usually on TV about 10am.  Open University shit.
2015-11-14T14:20:33 < dongs> UPDATE: Explosion, automated gunfire reportedly heard at Bagnolet, an Eastern suburb of Paris
2015-11-14T14:20:52 < Steffanx> again.. ?
2015-11-14T14:21:07 < dongs> y
2015-11-14T14:21:22 < Steffanx> what websites do you follow to be so up to date?
2015-11-14T14:21:25 < dongs> IRC
2015-11-14T14:21:26 < Steffanx> must be live reddit stuff
2015-11-14T14:21:33 < dongs> fuck no
2015-11-14T14:21:50 < Steffanx> must be some secret jew news channel?
2015-11-14T14:21:54 < dongs> yes
2015-11-14T14:22:00 < dongs> #isis_without_jews
2015-11-14T14:22:23 < Steffanx> oh, that is really a secret channel, you cant even see the online users
2015-11-14T14:24:45 < dongs> why isnt stm32 +s
2015-11-14T14:24:50 < dongs> it attracts so many trolls
2015-11-14T14:25:11 < Roklobsta> shit, well it attracted you!
2015-11-14T14:25:19 < dongs> exactly
2015-11-14T14:25:24 < Roklobsta> and me.
2015-11-14T14:25:36 < dongs> lol jap netflix ad on youtube
2015-11-14T14:25:49 < dongs> hey lets watch retarded american tv
2015-11-14T14:26:25 < Roklobsta> aw, when i lived in japan in the early 80's there was plenty of retarded american tv on then too
2015-11-14T14:26:41 < ReadMobl> Ya with all the amazing jap gameshows on tv who would do that
2015-11-14T14:27:11 < dongs> haha
2015-11-14T14:27:22 < Steffanx> +s = not listed?
2015-11-14T14:27:23 < dongs> i got $1.76 this month from galaxy note 4 fix video
2015-11-14T14:27:51 < dongs> Steffanx: cant /who #channel or wahtever if youre outside of it to get names list, also /whois someone who's in the channel but youre not in same channel you can't see it in their whois listing
2015-11-14T14:27:59 < ReadMobl> Most chan are +sp
2015-11-14T14:28:02 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-14T14:28:09 < dongs> basically prevetns stalking
2015-11-14T14:30:04 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ
2015-11-14T14:30:04 -!- mode/##stm32 [+sp] by Steffanx
2015-11-14T14:30:06 <@Steffanx> awh
2015-11-14T14:30:07 -!- mode/##stm32 [-s] by ChanServ
2015-11-14T14:30:11 < dongs> raped
2015-11-14T14:30:18 < dongs> shatserv
2015-11-14T14:30:23 <@Steffanx> why you do that ChanServ :(
2015-11-14T14:30:28 < ReadMobl> Set it on chanserv
2015-11-14T14:30:42 <@Steffanx> i was looking into that but failed to see how
2015-11-14T14:31:12 -!- mode/##stm32 [+CSr] by Steffanx
2015-11-14T14:31:16 <@Steffanx> lol
2015-11-14T14:31:18 < dongs> channel modes or soemthing
2015-11-14T14:31:20 <@Steffanx> that was the wrong command
2015-11-14T14:31:22 < dongs> err +r no
2015-11-14T14:31:26 < dongs> then trolls cant join
2015-11-14T14:31:45 <@Steffanx> isnt that perfect?
2015-11-14T14:32:07 < dongs> no
2015-11-14T14:32:13 <@Steffanx> I wrote mode instead of msg lol :P
2015-11-14T14:32:45 < bloated> why have you set SSL-Only ?
2015-11-14T14:33:22 <@Steffanx> because i fail
2015-11-14T14:33:27 < jpa-> steffie, you fail so hard.
2015-11-14T14:33:40 < Roklobsta> zano in happier times.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj8vX_gsCYE
2015-11-14T14:33:47 <@Steffanx> i write   /mode ChanServ help set instead of msg chanserv .. :P
2015-11-14T14:34:00 <@Steffanx> and now im screwed
2015-11-14T14:34:11 < jpa-> maybe write   /mode -CSrp   now?
2015-11-14T14:34:19 <@Steffanx>  /mode -CSrp
2015-11-14T14:34:22 <@Steffanx> hah
2015-11-14T14:34:32 -!- mode/##stm32 [-CSrp] by Steffanx
2015-11-14T14:34:32 <@Steffanx> yw
2015-11-14T14:35:15 <@Steffanx> now time to figure out how to make chanserv do it
2015-11-14T14:35:30 < jpa-> why?
2015-11-14T14:35:47 <@Steffanx> because dongs and co need secret and paranoid mode
2015-11-14T14:36:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2015-11-14T14:36:36 < Steffanx> it hasnt been that since ever so maybe i shouldnt care.
2015-11-14T14:37:07 < ReadMobl> Steffanx:
2015-11-14T14:37:12 < ReadMobl> disable MLOCK
2015-11-14T14:37:18 < ReadMobl> set
2015-11-14T14:37:21 < ReadMobl> then re-enable
2015-11-14T14:39:45 < ReadMobl> msg chanserv set mlock +ntsp
2015-11-14T14:39:48 < ReadMobl> that should do it
2015-11-14T14:40:16 < ReadMobl> msg chanserv ##stm32 set mlock +ntsp
2015-11-14T14:40:34 < Steffanx> is this like: rm -rf / should do it?
2015-11-14T14:41:19 < jpa-> nah, you need   rm --no-preserve-root -rf /
2015-11-14T14:42:53 < Steffanx> but it looks ok so:
2015-11-14T14:43:18 < Steffanx> hm
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2015-11-14T14:43:53 < ReadMobl> Steffanx: nah its just +topic +noexternalmessages +sekret +private
2015-11-14T14:44:12 < Steffanx> and then in the right order set ##stm32 and not ##stm32 set :P
2015-11-14T14:46:26 < ReadMobl> oh maybe ya
2015-11-14T14:48:33 < bloated> 17.56 -alis- Returning maximum of 60 channel names matching '*stm32*'
2015-11-14T14:48:34 < bloated> 17.57 -alis- #stm32                                               1 :==> ##stm32
2015-11-14T14:49:23 < bloated> you really don't want people to find this channel ? even if they're interested in STM32 devices ?
2015-11-14T14:54:03 < Steffanx> then can find and join #stm32
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2015-11-14T15:11:32 < dongs> pretty sure nobody except trolls acutally uses /list to find channels
2015-11-14T15:12:10 < dongs> lol amazon.jp has a huge fucking french flag on front page
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2015-11-14T15:13:24 < bloated> reddit had a front page video of people singing the french anthem.
2015-11-14T15:13:25 < dongs> see? thats a new user
2015-11-14T15:13:30 < dongs> who found this channel
2015-11-14T15:13:40 < bloated> couldn't tell if they were lousy singers or its a really lousy anthem
2015-11-14T15:13:58 < dongs> someone linked some reddit trash this morning and it was 503 for the whole 10 seconds I tried to carea bout it
2015-11-14T15:15:28 < dongs> mm i got one dislike on my videos this month
2015-11-14T15:15:29 < dongs> and 5 likes
2015-11-14T15:15:35 < dongs> need to troll more
2015-11-14T15:16:10 < bloated> Russia should invade France and take over the nation.
2015-11-14T15:16:17 < bloated> Then the French will get to sing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAtz8xWM0w
2015-11-14T15:20:04 < bloated> I wonder if we can convince Putin to bring back communism. The old anthem was so much better.
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2015-11-14T15:30:09 < Steffanx> Agreed, best anthem bloated
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2015-11-14T15:35:18 < dongs> this cable i got has huge attenuation after 2GHz
2015-11-14T15:35:21 < dongs> thats so weird
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2015-11-14T15:35:28 < dongs> its just random coax w/plastic ends
2015-11-14T15:35:40 < dongs> like -10dB drop past 2ghz
2015-11-14T15:35:47 < bloated> measured ?
2015-11-14T15:35:52 < dongs> ya
2015-11-14T15:36:02 < bloated> properly terminated etc ?
2015-11-14T15:36:22 < dongs> its just 75ohm f-connector shit.
2015-11-14T15:39:40 < dongs> used another cable and its fine
2015-11-14T15:39:58 < dongs> i need to get some monstercable stuff.
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2015-11-14T15:41:41 < Steffanx> rice paper is what you need
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2015-11-14T15:46:03 < dongs> anyone know if that lunix GTK sniffer thing... ethereal? or wahtever supports IP/DVB?
2015-11-14T15:46:48 < dongs> oh its wireshark now
2015-11-14T15:46:50 < dongs> and no .zip downloads
2015-11-14T15:46:53 < dongs> what the hellll
2015-11-14T15:47:09 < dongs> https://ask.wireshark.org/questions/43372/is-there-a-wireshark-plugin-available-to-analyze-dvb-ip-compliance-of-udp-multicast-streams
2015-11-14T15:47:12 < dongs> doesnt look good
2015-11-14T15:49:55 < Sync> there is a dvb disector
2015-11-14T15:50:05 < dongs> there was an app i used like 10 years ago
2015-11-14T15:50:20 < dongs> that could save jpegs/web addresses/etc from ipdvb stream
2015-11-14T15:50:27 < dongs> something skystar i think someshit
2015-11-14T15:50:47 < dongs> this transponder has fucking SIP traffic on nit
2015-11-14T15:50:54 < dongs> i see REGISTER: s and shit
2015-11-14T15:54:37 < Sync> you mean the skystar 2 dvb card shits?
2015-11-14T15:54:48 < dongs> dont think it was skystar specific
2015-11-14T15:54:57 < dongs> it was just a ip/dvb parser/sniffer
2015-11-14T15:55:37 < dongs> http://www.jaea.go.jp/04/o-arai/en/ one of the phones is here
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2015-11-14T15:55:44 < Sync> http://www.dvbskystar.com/streamreader.html
2015-11-14T15:55:46 < Sync> dishit?
2015-11-14T15:56:04 < dongs> hm yea that sure looks like it
2015-11-14T15:56:20 < dongs> by screenshots anyway
2015-11-14T15:56:33 < dongs> lets see
2015-11-14T15:58:14 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used NEC2  ?
2015-11-14T15:58:28 < Laurenceb_> I can't work out how to add blocks of dielectric :-/
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2015-11-14T16:07:44 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-14T16:11:49 < Steffanx> lo
2015-11-14T16:15:09 < Laurenceb_> em-drive, it clearly works
2015-11-14T16:15:11 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/ZvdMRbH.png
2015-11-14T16:18:52 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: iirc ground card has dielectric constant
2015-11-14T16:19:21 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah, but its planar :-/
2015-11-14T16:19:49 < Laurenceb_> ideally i want to simulate a tube of paper for the rocket body
2015-11-14T16:20:11 < Laurenceb_> actually I see some correlated blips in that emdrive data
2015-11-14T16:20:18 < Laurenceb_> oh shit maybe it works
2015-11-14T16:20:20 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2015-11-14T16:20:48 < kakimir> reflow station heats up quite quickly
2015-11-14T16:21:02 < kakimir> like few seconds to temperature
2015-11-14T16:21:45 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVExoY1dQWlphdE0/view?usp=sharing today I needed to throw everything I got to this led bar aluminum board
2015-11-14T16:22:20 < kakimir> 150C preheat, 270C fan max and solderin iron maxed
2015-11-14T16:22:22 < mtbg> is that emdrive power input (red) and measured "thrust" (black) vs time?
2015-11-14T16:23:11 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-11-14T16:23:14 < Laurenceb_> lulwut https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=knSWGs3VAxk
2015-11-14T16:23:24 < mtbg> clearly the microwaves need some time to accumulate in the chamber
2015-11-14T16:23:45 < mtbg> and then slowly damp after power off
2015-11-14T16:23:47 < Laurenceb_> emdrivers are all convinced its proof
2015-11-14T16:23:47 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-14T16:23:58 < BrainDamage> it's ok, c is only a variable anyway
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2015-11-14T16:25:45 < kakimir> does Laurenceb_ thumb up irritate you?
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2015-11-14T16:26:06 < kakimir> it's representation of fellos
2015-11-14T16:26:13 < dongs> its not evne slow motion
2015-11-14T16:26:16 < dongs> what a rip
2015-11-14T16:26:23 < dongs> slow motion != slowed down
2015-11-14T16:26:31 < kakimir> with upwards motion
2015-11-14T16:29:04 < Laurenceb_> all the emdrivers are sharing it cuz they pwnd and prooved emdrive
2015-11-14T16:29:37 < Steffanx> At least they show more "proof" than zano
2015-11-14T16:29:43 < Steffanx> so that's a good thing.
2015-11-14T16:29:59 < kakimir> is't em drive like particle accelerator in space that is engine of ship?
2015-11-14T16:30:30 < kakimir> or is it star trek?
2015-11-14T16:30:45 < mtbg> emdrive is more like a bucket with a valve and a bike pump
2015-11-14T16:30:59 < mtbg> you pump it and expect to have bigger force on bigger ending
2015-11-14T16:31:07 < mtbg> than on smaller
2015-11-14T16:31:14 < kakimir> sick
2015-11-14T16:31:24 < kakimir> upside down world
2015-11-14T16:31:27 < Sync> Laurenceb_: I like how all of them are disregarding thermal effects
2015-11-14T16:31:41 < kakimir> is there particles as propelant?
2015-11-14T16:31:48 < kakimir> is there accelerator or not?=
2015-11-14T16:31:54 < mtbg> nope
2015-11-14T16:32:04 < mtbg> just waves bouncing back and forth
2015-11-14T16:32:05 < kakimir> is there wizardry?
2015-11-14T16:32:07 < mtbg> in the bucket
2015-11-14T16:32:09 < kakimir> so there is
2015-11-14T16:32:40 < kakimir> does it generate it's own gravity wave drive?
2015-11-14T16:32:58 < BrainDamage> all it does is warm the bucket
2015-11-14T16:33:20 < kakimir> and warm = good
2015-11-14T16:33:22 < mtbg> it generates some gravity
2015-11-14T16:33:26 < BrainDamage> but they espect that the force they are measuring doesn't come from thermal effects, and come up with wibbly wobbly timey whimey
2015-11-14T16:33:28 < mtbg> and can use gravity to drive it
2015-11-14T16:33:33 < mtbg> if you throw it high enough
2015-11-14T16:34:01 < Laurenceb_> they done proofd em drive
2015-11-14T16:35:52 < mtbg> they should float it on mercury or some other liquid
2015-11-14T16:35:56 < mtbg> in vacuum chamber
2015-11-14T16:36:10 < kakimir> is it those ufo experiment gone wrong - crew melted inside ufo - things?
2015-11-14T16:36:18 < mtbg> if it travels more than it's distance, it is probably a thrust
2015-11-14T16:36:53 < kakimir> they created a big microwave oven
2015-11-14T16:41:10 < mtbg> but a tuned one
2015-11-14T16:41:39 < mtbg> yet if you place something inside, it will tune out, so quite useless
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2015-11-14T16:42:50 < kakimir> they need active tuning controller from alien friends
2015-11-14T16:45:20 < kakimir> asgards
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2015-11-14T17:02:40 < dongs> http://www.zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&p=856
2015-11-14T17:02:40 < dongs> haha
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2015-11-14T17:11:34 < __rob> when I hear the annoucement that they are insolvent I will have to make a trip to wales
2015-11-14T17:11:43 < __rob> gotta be some nice equipment that could be picked up cheap
2015-11-14T17:14:14 < dongs> yeah like that $100k scope they got
2015-11-14T17:15:14 < Sync> yeah I wondered about that
2015-11-14T17:15:29 < Sync> why the fuck they would buy such a thing for a damn drone
2015-11-14T17:15:47 < __rob> thats crazy money to spend
2015-11-14T17:15:54 < kakimir> dongs: why didn't they use fpga for it?
2015-11-14T17:15:57 < Sync> I mean, I could understand it if they were doing some highspeed lvds shits
2015-11-14T17:15:59 < __rob> unless your scoping 10gbit links
2015-11-14T17:16:02 < Sync> kakimir: because not pro
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2015-11-14T17:16:28 < kakimir> because skill level: stm32
2015-11-14T17:16:52 < __rob> not sure I'd want to use a 100k scope for everyday stuff like that
2015-11-14T17:16:57 < __rob> imagine breaking it
2015-11-14T17:17:30 < kakimir> what they needed 100k skope?
2015-11-14T17:17:35 < kakimir> for
2015-11-14T17:17:42 < BrainDamage> they were scoping the wifi link i guess
2015-11-14T17:17:44 < __rob> rather get a range from some super cheap ones when you just want to see basics to something a bit nicer for checking any of your differential traces
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2015-11-14T17:17:59 < BrainDamage> BIT ACCURATE WIFI TRANSMISSION IN ASM
2015-11-14T17:18:15 < Sync> obv
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2015-11-14T17:18:58 < __rob> according to that article dongs posted theres will be an HPC processing cluster going cheap too lol
2015-11-14T17:19:31 < kakimir> did they do wifi with stm32?
2015-11-14T17:20:26 < kakimir> IF?
2015-11-14T17:21:42 < __rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpq0shCXaM
2015-11-14T17:21:48 < __rob> feel a bit sorry for these guys
2015-11-14T17:21:55 < __rob> definately a black spot on your CV
2015-11-14T17:22:02 < __rob> blank*
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2015-11-14T17:23:53 < kakimir> can we blame then for anything else than not hiring dongs?
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2015-11-14T17:24:06 < Steffanx> dongs wouldn't have taken the job ;)
2015-11-14T17:24:20 < mtbg> A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
2015-11-14T17:24:36 < mtbg> so, ...
2015-11-14T17:25:17 < __rob> they've made gains..
2015-11-14T17:25:22 < __rob> they've got a 100k scope
2015-11-14T17:25:27 < kakimir> it sounds like... everyday life mtbg
2015-11-14T17:25:59 < kakimir> try to loss as little as possible and still fail to
2015-11-14T17:27:41 < dongs> __rob: "as slick as possible"
2015-11-14T17:27:43 < Sync> wat
2015-11-14T17:27:55 < dongs> completely custom made!111
2015-11-14T17:27:57 < dongs> looks liek a toilet
2015-11-14T17:28:08 < Sync> he is saying that the accel needs to be in the middle of the pos
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2015-11-14T17:28:34 < kakimir> don't you guys really have anything to do...
2015-11-14T17:28:48 < dongs> they hired jodran duwa like week before dickstarter was over
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2015-11-14T17:29:14 < dongs> "we packed so much electronics by utilizing every single space available"
2015-11-14T17:29:17 < dongs> ohh yeaaaa
2015-11-14T17:30:28 < kakimir> did they use eagle?
2015-11-14T17:31:02 < dongs> no
2015-11-14T17:31:12 < dongs> https://youtu.be/zWpq0shCXaM?t=113
2015-11-14T17:31:17 < dongs> its some 3d rendering shittything
2015-11-14T17:33:43 < kakimir> did workers get proper paycheck?
2015-11-14T17:34:14 < mitrax> >grep "<dongs>" "##stm32.freenode.log" | grep -c "shit"
2015-11-14T17:34:20 < mitrax> 2957
2015-11-14T17:34:42 < kakimir> try kakimir
2015-11-14T17:34:52 < mitrax> 33
2015-11-14T17:34:59 < kakimir> try shiet
2015-11-14T17:35:06 < mitrax> 17
2015-11-14T17:35:15 < kakimir> how long that log is?
2015-11-14T17:36:13 < mitrax> not big, 17MB, i'm not always online
2015-11-14T17:37:08 < kakimir> it's kind of concern with public log that google bot parses them in a fraction of second
2015-11-14T17:38:00 < kakimir> maybe
2015-11-14T17:38:15 < mitrax> yeah well the topic makes it clear that it is
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2015-11-14T17:50:12 < jpa-> isn't that the point of a public log :)
2015-11-14T17:55:34 < qyx> i wonder if it is really good idea to use a low side mosfet driver to drive an ultrasonic transducer
2015-11-14T17:56:46 < mtbg> you can have step-up/flyback configuration
2015-11-14T17:56:51 < kakimir> why not?
2015-11-14T17:57:03 < mtbg> with just one mosfet
2015-11-14T17:57:12 < mtbg> should be loud enough
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2015-11-14T17:58:52 < kakimir> I would use 1kV driver circuit
2015-11-14T17:58:58 < kakimir> should be loud
2015-11-14T18:00:21 < mtbg> e-class amplifier with transducer parallel to the mosfet
2015-11-14T18:00:24 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-14T18:04:48 < bloated> qyx: you need AC for an ultrasonic transducer. probably push-pull into a transformer
2015-11-14T18:05:03 < kakimir> what are you doings qyx?
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2015-11-14T19:28:49 < qyx> http://i.imgur.com/IOavA1n.png
2015-11-14T19:28:53 < qyx> i was considering something like this
2015-11-14T19:29:56 < qyx> transducer is driven by 0V/+5V +5V/0V while the amplifier is muted with the Q1 mosfet
2015-11-14T19:30:20 < qyx> then both outputs are shorted to GND to silence the transducer
2015-11-14T19:31:04 < qyx> and then the second output (the one connected to te amplifier stage) is disabled and the amplifier unmuted
2015-11-14T19:31:05 < kakimir> what is that
2015-11-14T19:31:46 < kakimir> what are you doings qyx ?
2015-11-14T19:32:36 < qyx> nothing innovative, stm32 distance meter
2015-11-14T19:32:55 < kakimir> can you measure micrometer paint thickness?
2015-11-14T19:33:07 < kakimir> *thicknesses
2015-11-14T19:33:32 < kakimir> I imagine they have seperate driver
2015-11-14T19:36:06 < kakimir> okay those are based on eddy current
2015-11-14T19:36:46 < englishman> lol dongs http://api.ning.com/files/uqLqBDFuIfB-vZ7SPORkCzFovSoNnsh8vIFPRsXX9YQm6ae51ekM6D*e3fGQKIAmYPntzvGjylj-HdRAdIwtTYrkAv6M3CUn/ZERO.jpg
2015-11-14T19:38:45 < dongs> ya saw
2015-11-14T19:38:50 < dongs> it was on diyclones
2015-11-14T19:38:53 < dongs> with some guy ripped them a new one
2015-11-14T19:38:56 < dongs> in one of the first comments
2015-11-14T19:39:07 < dongs> but i couldnt link to it cuz diyclones forum /wahtever is retarded as shit
2015-11-14T19:39:13 < Sync> kek
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2015-11-14T20:06:29 < qyx> mhm, wtf vddio2 on stm32f042
2015-11-14T20:09:51 < Laurenceb_> that zano forum link is epic
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2015-11-14T20:13:48 < mtbg> that zano should be placed in an art gallery as a representation of consequences of marketing-driven product development
2015-11-14T20:14:27 < mtbg> and a metaphore of stockholm syndrome and mental breakdown
2015-11-14T20:16:23 < kakimir> uys do you have a lot of shit?
2015-11-14T20:16:50 < kakimir> or do you enjoy having few items for the purpose needed
2015-11-14T20:17:19 < kakimir> and do you enjoy shopping electronics more than you need to?
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2015-11-14T20:41:00 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/mFMrawf.gifv
2015-11-14T21:01:03 < Laurenceb_> emdrive lulz
2015-11-14T21:01:04 < Laurenceb_> The first issue with Yang's paper I can find is that Yang apparently struggles with addition and subtraction
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2015-11-14T21:06:03 < Sync> lul
2015-11-14T21:06:39 < mtbg> there is no hope for all this people
2015-11-14T21:06:59 < mtbg> with our current theories there should be zero thrust
2015-11-14T21:07:11 < mtbg> if they are applied correctly, not in shawyer's way
2015-11-14T21:08:03 < mtbg> if one manages to setup proper experiment and measures real thrust and not some other effects - then we should consider developing theory that will allow to model it
2015-11-14T21:08:30 < mtbg> and only then
2015-11-14T21:08:49 < mtbg> otherwise that are just more or less consistent fantasies
2015-11-14T21:08:55 < mtbg> using some mathematics
2015-11-14T21:22:50 < Laurenceb_> oh noes
2015-11-14T21:22:52 < Laurenceb_> http://contributor-covenant.org/
2015-11-14T21:23:01 < Laurenceb_> thoughtless use of pronouns
2015-11-14T21:23:08 < Laurenceb_> pervasive cult of meritocracy
2015-11-14T21:46:31 < Tectu> okay, it´s the time of the month again...
2015-11-14T21:46:47 < Tectu> where one should hit the ´´Empty Recycle Bin´´ button
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2015-11-14T21:48:25 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/SbSxOnb.png
2015-11-14T21:48:33 < Laurenceb_> where did my bandwidth go
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2015-11-14T21:58:07 < kakimir> just measured temperature of my soldering iron
2015-11-14T21:58:16 < kakimir> 500degrees celsius
2015-11-14T21:58:21 < kakimir> I think it's ok
2015-11-14T22:02:36 < Lux> a bit high ?
2015-11-14T22:03:23 < kakimir> to220s do not fuck with me anymore
2015-11-14T22:03:43 < kakimir> groundplanes - heat em thru
2015-11-14T22:04:09 < kakimir> smell is totally different now than with 240degrees
2015-11-14T22:05:04 < kakimir> old times smell
2015-11-14T22:05:10 < kakimir> things burning
2015-11-14T22:05:13 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231563021522?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT what software can I use for this on mac or windows
2015-11-14T22:05:48 < kakimir> fx2 based?
2015-11-14T22:06:04 < Rob235> no idea, oh it says salae on it, i think they make their own software
2015-11-14T22:06:12 < kakimir> fx2 then
2015-11-14T22:06:53 < kakimir> see sigrok project
2015-11-14T22:07:07 < kakimir> you don't need propiertary software at all
2015-11-14T22:07:08 < Rob235> yea i tried sigrok, its not showing up
2015-11-14T22:07:56 < kakimir> you need firmware http://sigrok.org/wiki/Fx2lafw
2015-11-14T22:08:56 < Rob235> ahh thanks
2015-11-14T22:09:42 < kakimir> you don't need to put that suspisious chinese cd in the cd tray
2015-11-14T22:09:56 < kakimir> at all
2015-11-14T22:15:13 < englishman> emdrive looks easy to make
2015-11-14T22:16:15 < englishman> haha https://hackaday.io/project/5596-em-drive
2015-11-14T22:17:26 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/247848/man-jacked-off-at-gunpoint-by-three-women-who-wanted-semen/
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2015-11-14T22:23:21 < Rob235> im so happy i got this logic analyser... thanks for showing me how fucked up my code is hah
2015-11-14T22:23:41 < Rob235> doesnt even come close to what its supposed to be doing
2015-11-14T22:25:08 < kakimir> upgrdman: is that some voodoo stuff'+
2015-11-14T22:25:48 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-14T22:36:53 < Steffanx> Welcome R2COM
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2015-11-14T22:41:28 < Steffanx> hmmpf.. youtube in red/white/blue .. -_-
2015-11-14T22:41:38 < Steffanx> and then the otherway around
2015-11-14T22:45:32 < kakimir> must be french day
2015-11-14T22:46:30 < Steffanx> so i thought it was all cgi mitrax but i was wrong: https://youtu.be/bB8KO6N0Jx0?t=2m21s
2015-11-14T22:46:57 < Steffanx> oops more like 7 seconds before it: https://youtu.be/bB8KO6N0Jx0?t=2m14s
2015-11-14T23:11:17 < jadew> is it common for EEPROMs to have a non-standard SPI interface?
2015-11-14T23:11:27 < jadew> like... 3 bits for the command + 8 for the address
2015-11-14T23:11:35 < jadew> that asks for bitbanging the first 3 bits
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2015-11-14T23:28:10 < tryggles> any chicks?
2015-11-14T23:30:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, iirc you recommended foxit? i just tried sumatrapdf and it seems much better. you might want to look into it.
2015-11-14T23:30:59 < tryggles> R2COM: got any fresh snuff?
2015-11-14T23:33:38 < jadew> about that thing I said about EEPROMs, nvm
2015-11-14T23:33:45 < jadew> it's microwire
2015-11-14T23:33:59 < Steffanx> non-volatile memory?
2015-11-14T23:34:07 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-14T23:35:16 < Steffanx> sumatra is like reader on'y
2015-11-14T23:35:37 < Steffanx> nothing fancy
2015-11-14T23:35:54 < upgrdman> oh, does fuxit also edit/create?
2015-11-14T23:36:55 < upgrdman> what's a good windows torrent client?
2015-11-14T23:37:00 < upgrdman> no transmission for windows :(
2015-11-14T23:38:20 < Steffanx> utorrent is probably the most used windows one
2015-11-14T23:39:17 < Steffanx> foxit does create no editing afaik
2015-11-14T23:39:36 < Steffanx> not the free one at least
2015-11-14T23:40:29 < Laurenceb_> heh http://hackaday.com/2015/11/14/low-parts-count-arm-sdr/
2015-11-14T23:47:42 < Rob235> Can anyone help me with dma and timers? I get this output: http://imgur.com/AyjpYcC  from this code: http://pastebin.com/nmRKQLEd
2015-11-14T23:57:01 < kakimir> so emdrive says
2015-11-14T23:57:25 < kakimir> that microwaves do somethimng
2015-11-14T23:57:45 < kakimir> ?
2015-11-14T23:58:02 < kakimir> have impulse?
2015-11-14T23:58:09 < upgrdman> utorrent is adware? people still use adware? lol
2015-11-14T23:58:33 < Steffanx> yeah
2015-11-14T23:58:40 < Steffanx> winfdows
2015-11-14T23:58:47 < Steffanx> -f
2015-11-14T23:58:58 < kakimir> it is jeware
2015-11-14T23:59:19 < Rob235> DMA_InitStruct.DMA_PeripheralBaseAddr = (uint32_t)&TIM2->CCR2;  is that correct?
2015-11-14T23:59:27 < kakimir> don't forget it spys your stuff too
2015-11-14T23:59:44 < Rob235> for timer2 channel 2
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2015-11-15T00:04:38 < upgrdman> lol. google must be storing some of my Google Drive shit on floppy disk or something. downloading at maybe 150KBps instead of the ~8MBps i normally get
2015-11-15T00:05:05 < kakimir> it's free mate
2015-11-15T00:05:14 < kakimir> you store your movie collection there?
2015-11-15T00:05:28 < upgrdman> kakimir, im not bitching at them, it's just kinda funny
2015-11-15T00:05:51 < kakimir> not your connection that is stalling?
2015-11-15T00:06:04 < upgrdman> and no, i store backups of data (code, pcb's, etc.) and my current projects (code, pcb's, some pdf's, etc.)
2015-11-15T00:06:14 < kakimir> my 3g does that and then I just throw my phone a bit and it gets back to max
2015-11-15T00:06:27 < upgrdman> kakimir, 150KBps seems to be for one zip file only. other downloads from my drive are quicker.
2015-11-15T00:06:41 < upgrdman> it is an old zip though. i think i uploaded it in 2012 or 2013
2015-11-15T00:06:46 < kakimir> it does some virus scan stuff?
2015-11-15T00:07:07 < upgrdman> no. it says "can't scan for viruses, download anyway?"
2015-11-15T00:07:17 < upgrdman> for all of my zip files
2015-11-15T00:07:20 < kakimir> you have good stuff there?
2015-11-15T00:08:06 < upgrdman> just backups for random shit
2015-11-15T00:08:14 < upgrdman> which im going through now, and deleting most of them
2015-11-15T00:08:36 < upgrdman> cause like, i dont need backups of my old shit arduino and basic stamp 2 projects. lol
2015-11-15T00:08:51 < kakimir> do you ever scare that service provider actually uses your crap for something
2015-11-15T00:08:57 < upgrdman> no
2015-11-15T00:09:06 < upgrdman> ~all of my code is open sauce
2015-11-15T00:09:24 < upgrdman> its not like im storing tax records on gDrive
2015-11-15T00:10:03 < kakimir> are tax records something... essential?
2015-11-15T00:10:42 < upgrdman> they are worth backing up
2015-11-15T00:10:47 < upgrdman> but offline
2015-11-15T00:10:56 < kakimir> I think I throw them at bin
2015-11-15T00:11:03 < upgrdman> are you poor?
2015-11-15T00:11:12 < kakimir> true dat
2015-11-15T00:11:18 < upgrdman> then no worries
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2015-11-15T00:11:37 < upgrdman> i didnt keep my tax reconds from when i was working at mcdonalds either
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2015-11-15T00:12:36 < ReadMobl> Oh god
2015-11-15T00:12:47 < ReadMobl> Who let msev in here
2015-11-15T00:12:57 < upgrdman> lolumad?
2015-11-15T00:13:05 < ReadMobl> Steffanx: pls to ban :(((
2015-11-15T00:13:10 < kakimir> is it bad?
2015-11-15T00:13:38 < ReadMobl> It's horribad
2015-11-15T00:13:54 < kakimir> why I haven't seen it
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2015-11-15T00:14:52 < ReadMobl> englishman and ABLomas can confirm
2015-11-15T00:15:18 < kakimir> is he kind of slightly tard?
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2015-11-15T00:16:45 < ReadMobl> That would be putting it gently
2015-11-15T00:18:27 < kakimir> does he have projects?
2015-11-15T00:21:39 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-LAN-Network-Phone-Cable-Tester-RJ11-RJ12-RJ45-Cat5-/310774510101 is this totally useless for cable issues?
2015-11-15T00:22:07 < kakimir> some cables have performance problems
2015-11-15T00:25:01 < kakimir> is that just box that has leds to it and that's it?
2015-11-15T00:25:12 < kakimir> *A box
2015-11-15T00:25:33 < kakimir> okay it has some test program in it
2015-11-15T01:04:06 < upgrdman> quality   http://i.imgur.com/tEt1xA3.jpg
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2015-11-15T01:20:22 < jadew> upgrdman: those were on sale at ikea last week
2015-11-15T01:20:34 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-15T01:28:41 < kakimir> how to concider having no life?
2015-11-15T01:29:55 < jadew> what do you mean?
2015-11-15T01:30:14 < jadew> we never considered it, it just happaned
2015-11-15T01:31:26 < kakimir> yes but what is life like?
2015-11-15T01:32:08 < kakimir> what to do
2015-11-15T01:32:27 < jadew> having fun, not being stressed by anything, being in love and banging other chicks on the side
2015-11-15T01:32:39 < jadew> life.
2015-11-15T01:33:16 < kakimir> I could have that for 1 week maybe
2015-11-15T01:33:53 < jadew> well, teenage years pass by very fast
2015-11-15T01:34:13 < jadew> that's the only time when regular people get to enjoy that
2015-11-15T01:34:26 < jadew> then only jerks with a lot of money get to have that
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2015-11-15T01:36:08 < kakimir> not a lot
2015-11-15T01:36:24 < kakimir> but you need to use all your time to chicks
2015-11-15T01:36:35 < jadew> yeah, that's kind of the problem
2015-11-15T01:36:37 < kakimir> and to build social network
2015-11-15T01:36:53 < kakimir> as bridges keep burning behind
2015-11-15T01:37:03 < jadew> haha
2015-11-15T01:38:16 < kakimir> I have seen it
2015-11-15T01:39:05 < mtbg> all hail the raised faucet
2015-11-15T01:41:56 < kakimir> that is how I build my home like
2015-11-15T01:52:56 < kakimir> jadew: I think I would like to adventure
2015-11-15T01:53:10 < kakimir> but it's like expensive as hell
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2015-11-15T02:00:52 < aandrew> wtf is the difference between the STM32 SPI controller in I2S mode and the SAI in I2S mode?
2015-11-15T02:01:14 < aandrew> looking at using I2S where the STM32 is hte master, just one in, one out, nothing spectacular
2015-11-15T02:01:21 < aandrew> codec is I2S
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2015-11-15T02:03:10 < Rob235> I need help with some DMA initialization.  If I don't enable dma and set the timer's CCR to a value then I get the correct pulse period and duty cycle but with dma enabled I get nothing really.  I must be setting it up incorrectly can someone take a look? http://pastebin.com/LwRdY2fN
2015-11-15T02:05:38 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/AyjpYcC
2015-11-15T02:05:43 < Rob235> thats what I get with dma enabled
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2015-11-15T03:11:42 < Rob235> does dma rely on any interrupts?
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2015-11-15T03:42:13 < Laurenceb_> not necessarily
2015-11-15T03:42:28 < Laurenceb_> you can busy loop or just check when you want to
2015-11-15T03:43:38 < dongs> what is the question
2015-11-15T03:43:50 < dongs> oh, the same led shit
2015-11-15T03:43:51 < dongs> christ
2015-11-15T03:43:54 < dongs> how many days its gonna take
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2015-11-15T03:45:34 < Rob235> havent been working on it
2015-11-15T03:45:47 < Rob235> just got the logic analyzer
2015-11-15T03:46:01 < Laurenceb_> lol LED lighting
2015-11-15T03:46:13 < Laurenceb_> protip: high pressure sodium is more efficient
2015-11-15T03:47:01 < Rob235> its not lighting like that
2015-11-15T03:47:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.weicon.ca/en/download/prospekte/WEICON-Contact-Cyanoacrylate-Adhesives.pdf
2015-11-15T03:47:15 < Laurenceb_> page 5
2015-11-15T03:52:38 < Sync> heh
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2015-11-15T04:06:17 < __rob> jesus, its like monkeys wrote this stmcube stuff..
2015-11-15T04:07:52 < Sync> according to the stm reps they are monkeys
2015-11-15T04:07:58 < __rob> memset(p, 0, sizeof(pool_id->pool_sz)); should be memset(p, 0, pool_id->item_sz); in their implementation of the cmsis_os stuff
2015-11-15T04:08:18 < __rob> wrong variable, and they are doing a sizeof on a variable that contains the size
2015-11-15T04:08:21 < __rob> double fail
2015-11-15T04:08:38 < __rob> and thats the 3rd show stopping error i've found in it :/
2015-11-15T04:10:00 < __rob> it shows they have obviously not even run any unit testing on any of it or that would fail straight away
2015-11-15T04:10:41 < Sync> wasn't that there forever?
2015-11-15T04:11:15 < __rob> wasn't what where forever?
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2015-11-15T04:12:01 < Sync> the memset
2015-11-15T04:12:29 < __rob> no, its their usage of it i am complaining about
2015-11-15T04:12:40 < __rob> in their implementation of osPoolCAlloc()
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2015-11-15T05:00:05 < dongs> i guess tehy only allocate 4 bytes at a time
2015-11-15T05:00:17 < dongs> so they havent noticed
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2015-11-15T05:13:38 < __rob> there is that i suppose
2015-11-15T05:14:09 < __rob> stil.. not great in a 'production ready' release
2015-11-15T05:21:31 < dongs> fuck cube anyway
2015-11-15T05:21:34 < dongs> why not just use RTX?
2015-11-15T05:21:41 < dongs> its free and works
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2015-11-15T05:24:41 < upgrdman> whats rtx?
2015-11-15T05:25:00 < dongs> BSD licensed keil implementation of cmsis-rtos
2015-11-15T05:25:13 < dongs> keil/arm/whatever
2015-11-15T05:26:13 < upgrdman> keil does open sauce stuff?
2015-11-15T05:26:28 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/pr/article/1253.htm
2015-11-15T05:26:31 < dongs> since 2012 apparently
2015-11-15T05:27:28 < upgrdman> so for "simple" mcu's (single core, etc.) when might you want to go to an RTOS? just to be lazy and not write your own periph code?
2015-11-15T05:27:44 < dongs> rtos doesnt have anythign to do wiht periph code.
2015-11-15T05:27:50 < dongs> its just for managing tasks
2015-11-15T05:31:33 < bloated> upgrdman's question makes me wonder ... is there a definition of the conditions that require an OS ?
2015-11-15T05:31:44 < bloated> I guess a simple answer would be: whenever you have more than one task.
2015-11-15T05:31:50 < bloated> but what's the defintion of a "task"
2015-11-15T05:31:55 < upgrdman> never "require" but it makes shit easier
2015-11-15T05:32:17 < bloated> whenever you have more than 1 parallel stream of execution ?
2015-11-15T05:32:26 < upgrdman> time sharing, memory managment, file management, io access are common OS things. not sure about RTOSs
2015-11-15T05:32:53 < bloated> upgrdman: all that is only necessary because there's more than one process
2015-11-15T05:32:59 < jadew> can someone figure out from this wtf happens on the DO line?
2015-11-15T05:33:00 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/mVRVu.png
2015-11-15T05:33:05 < bloated> imagine if you only had one program running on your computer. you wouldn't need any OS
2015-11-15T05:33:06 < __rob> upgrdman, rtos is at heart just a scheduler
2015-11-15T05:33:17 < upgrdman> bloated, not really true. think of DOS
2015-11-15T05:33:25 < upgrdman> bloated, an OS is a nice abstraction layer
2015-11-15T05:35:18 < bloated> I guess DOS existed because the command line existed
2015-11-15T05:35:33 < bloated> otherwise DOS would have been a .lib that you linked against.
2015-11-15T05:35:49 < bloated> I mean DOS gave people an interactive way to use the computer.
2015-11-15T05:36:03 < __rob> dongs, do you use RTX?
2015-11-15T05:36:10 < __rob> looks pretty good
2015-11-15T05:36:50 < upgrdman> again, not sure about RTOSs, but OSs provide a convenient abstraction. e.g. your program doesnt have to code specifically for a certain video card or source card, it can code to the os, and the os handles the bare metal.
2015-11-15T05:37:49 < bloated> that's an api
2015-11-15T05:37:51 < bloated> that's not the OS
2015-11-15T05:37:58 < bloated> e.g. stdlib
2015-11-15T05:38:11 < upgrdman> its a core part of what os's provide
2015-11-15T05:38:18 < bloated> libc is not the linux kernel
2015-11-15T05:38:23 < upgrdman> it does not have to be in an os, but its a core part of an os
2015-11-15T05:38:31 < __rob> its not a core part of an rtos
2015-11-15T05:38:44 < upgrdman> not surprised.
2015-11-15T05:38:53 < __rob> chibios has a hal
2015-11-15T05:39:16 < bloated> upgrdman: my point is, if you had only one single threaded program to run, you could link it against libc and run it on bare metal without linux running at all.
2015-11-15T05:39:45 < upgrdman> only if its a simple program.
2015-11-15T05:39:55 < bloated> so from that point of view, the answer to "what is an OS ?" is "something that allows you to run more than one program/thread.
2015-11-15T05:40:36 < upgrdman> multitasking is a super useful part of ~all OSs, but that is not even close to the only reason for an OS
2015-11-15T05:41:07 < upgrdman> anyway, bbl. time to fuck with windows 10 dual booting.
2015-11-15T05:41:11 < dongs> __rob: yea i have it running on a F3 project.
2015-11-15T05:41:17 < dongs> was very simple to setup.
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2015-11-15T05:41:46 < __rob> using mdk-arm?
2015-11-15T05:41:56 < dongs> sure, but i think it builds on gcc too.
2015-11-15T05:42:13 < dongs> last i remember there was platform-specific shit.
2015-11-15T05:44:17 < __rob> nice, will take a look
2015-11-15T06:00:51 < bloated> what is the purpose of the magnetic sensor on a drone ? what input do you get from a digital compass that is not available from a gyroscope and accelerometer ?
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2015-11-15T06:32:59 < jadew> I'm trying to recover an old HDD and I'm sniffing the EEPROM connection (they're known for having issues with data corruption)
2015-11-15T06:33:25 < jadew> and no wonder they corrupted the EEPROM
2015-11-15T06:34:35 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/OJsat.png
2015-11-15T06:34:39 < jadew> see where the cursor is?
2015-11-15T06:34:55 < jadew> that's where the 0 from the 10 command is being sampled
2015-11-15T06:35:05 < jadew> 10 = read
2015-11-15T06:35:08 < jadew> 11 = write
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2015-11-15T06:47:30 < dongs> er wat
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2015-11-15T06:50:15 < jadew> dongs: those are the commands the main MCU of my HDD is sending to an EEPROM
2015-11-15T06:50:21 < jadew> the EEPROM samples data on the rising edge
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2015-11-15T06:50:40 < jadew> there's almost a start bit there
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2015-11-15T06:50:44 < jadew> a full 1 bit
2015-11-15T06:50:51 < jadew> and almost a 0 bit
2015-11-15T06:51:19 < jadew> the only reason the 0 is not a 1 is because the data got setup a bit faster than the clock
2015-11-15T06:51:35 < jadew> so they missed getting that 0 misread as a 1 by a tiny fraction of a clock
2015-11-15T06:51:51 < jadew> now, 10 = read stuff
2015-11-15T06:51:58 < jadew> 11 = write stuff
2015-11-15T06:52:04 < jadew> see how that can be problematic?
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2015-11-15T06:57:28 < dongs> so tehy used wrong cpha/whatever for spi eeprom? i duno man
2015-11-15T06:57:31 < dongs> doesnt sound likely
2015-11-15T06:57:35 < dongs> youre proly just doing it wrong
2015-11-15T06:57:47 < jadew> dongs, it's not SPI
2015-11-15T06:57:50 < jadew> it's microwire
2015-11-15T06:57:59 < jadew> no, they did it wrong
2015-11-15T06:58:04 < jadew> and I think I know why
2015-11-15T06:58:20 < jadew> the EEPROM expects to sample incoming data on the rising edge
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2015-11-15T06:58:38 < jadew> but it's expecting outgoing data to be sampled on the falling edge
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2015-11-15T06:58:53 < jadew> they did it all on the falling edge
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2015-11-15T06:59:10 < jadew> which is why the data they're sending from the MCU gets sampled on the same edge it's being set
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2015-11-15T06:59:34 < jadew> their luck was that the clock lagged behind the data line a bit, or worse, they made it do that
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2015-11-15T07:02:07 < dongs> cool story bro but i dont think a multi-million-dollar company is that dumb
2015-11-15T07:02:29 < jadew> dongs, IBM Deskstar
2015-11-15T07:02:33 < jadew> they're nicknamed Deathstar
2015-11-15T07:02:36 < dongs> especilaly ibm
2015-11-15T07:03:09 < jadew> these HDDs were a complete failure
2015-11-15T07:03:28 < jadew> and it's clear that they did, because what I'm seeing there doesn't match the datasheet
2015-11-15T07:03:57 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/E3Fvm.png
2015-11-15T07:04:17 < jadew> notice how the clock polarity should change between data sent to the eeprom and data sent back by the eeprom
2015-11-15T07:05:40 < jadew> and if you look here: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/hhWam.png
2015-11-15T07:05:58 < jadew> you can see how both the data out and data in is clocked on the same clock edge
2015-11-15T07:06:11 < jadew> that's because DI is on the right edge, DO, is not
2015-11-15T07:06:21 < jadew> (DI is what comes out of the EEPROM)
2015-11-15T07:06:38 < jadew> they're labeled from the MCU's perspective
2015-11-15T07:09:40 < jadew> I think that in order to get the data in clock right, they just went with the setup on rising and sample on falling because "it worked"
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2015-11-15T07:37:27 < upgrdman> any cpu/memory/bandwidth meters for windows taskbar?
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2015-11-15T07:46:07 < yan_> is it possible to change a single value of a peripheral using ST's peripheral library? like i want to change just the timer prescaler, or timer pulse setting, do i really need create and reset the timer and channel structures, or is there a single call that can accomplish that? it looks like i'd need to write directly into config memory if i want to accomplish this, or use libopencm3
2015-11-15T07:47:05 < dongs> dude lol jusdt look how stdlib does it and then directly access registers
2015-11-15T07:47:08 < dongs> TIM->CCR = foo
2015-11-15T07:47:36 < dongs> nothign wrong wiht directly accessing registers
2015-11-15T07:47:53 < dongs> libopenaids doenst solve anythign either, if you want changes to be fast, youll be writing to registers direct anyway, saving a function call
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2015-11-15T08:39:03 < dongs> lol...
2015-11-15T08:39:11 < dongs> altidong16 fails to import board insight color override
2015-11-15T08:39:16 < dongs> defaults to checkerbox
2015-11-15T08:39:21 < dongs> have to set to none first, then back to slid
2015-11-15T08:39:25 < dongs> to get same as ad15
2015-11-15T08:39:29 < dongs> such fail
2015-11-15T08:54:20 < upgrdman> how the fuck do i get multiple desktops in windows 10?
2015-11-15T08:54:28 < dongs> no idea, who needs that shit
2015-11-15T08:54:31 < upgrdman> virtual ones, or whatever theyre called
2015-11-15T08:54:37 < upgrdman> power users like me
2015-11-15T08:54:44 < upgrdman> because im so fucking powerful
2015-11-15T08:54:53 < upgrdman> that one desktop is not nearly enough
2015-11-15T08:55:41 < dongs> get 3 4K monitors
2015-11-15T08:55:42 < dongs> rpoblem solved
2015-11-15T08:55:55 < upgrdman> mmm ya
2015-11-15T08:56:07 < upgrdman> waiting for the good pro 4 to come out
2015-11-15T08:56:29 < upgrdman> then i'll have it docket to at least a 4k monitor + a 4k tv
2015-11-15T08:56:54 < upgrdman> those nig's at microsoft are waiting until LATE JANUARY to release the good version of the pro 4
2015-11-15T08:56:54 < dongs> pro 4 wat
2015-11-15T08:56:58 < upgrdman> such faggotry
2015-11-15T08:57:01 < dongs> oh, bro4
2015-11-15T08:57:05 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-15T08:57:09 < dongs> what is "good" version?
2015-11-15T08:57:14 < upgrdman> bro 4, i7, 16gb, 1tb
2015-11-15T08:57:14 < dongs> im just gonna buy i7/8/256
2015-11-15T08:57:17 < dongs> oh
2015-11-15T08:57:20 < dongs> lol @ 1tb sd
2015-11-15T08:57:23 < dongs> ssd
2015-11-15T08:57:34 < upgrdman> i have a 512GB ssd in this fagbook pro, and im running out of room
2015-11-15T08:57:48 < upgrdman> shit, windows 10 + all the shit i use takes up like 180GB
2015-11-15T08:58:10 < upgrdman> im constantly having to shuffle shit to my 4TB usb3 drive
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2015-11-15T09:01:42 < dongs> sounds like you have way too much shit
2015-11-15T09:01:49 < dongs> i doubt you actually use close to that 512gb
2015-11-15T09:02:41 < upgrdman> dude
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2015-11-15T09:03:11 < upgrdman> win 10 + altidongs + xilinx ise + visual faggotry studio ... that alone is like 60GB
2015-11-15T09:03:40 < dongs> shruggin'
2015-11-15T09:03:54 < englishman> xilinx ise is 60gb lol
2015-11-15T09:04:03 < upgrdman> plus, im super pro, so i also need a bunch of other trash: jdk, eclipse, android studio, lattice diamond, openoffice, vmware, etc.
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2015-11-15T09:04:39 < dongs> microsoft office is pretty great
2015-11-15T09:04:47 < upgrdman> ya ISE is such aids. they're like injecting my ass with gigabytes of shit.
2015-11-15T09:04:56 < englishman> sorry to hear about your java problem, hopefully that clears up
2015-11-15T09:05:20 < dongs> rly
2015-11-15T09:05:21 < upgrdman> java's not too bad. some of the libs are fucking aids though. like swing.
2015-11-15T09:09:13 < dongs> geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
2015-11-15T09:09:18 < dongs> and altidong16 fails multiline text
2015-11-15T09:09:21 < dongs> saved with ad15
2015-11-15T09:09:21 < upgrdman> god damn it. why doesnt windows have smooth scrolling. seems like only 10% of windows does it, the rest is 90's style 2-lines-at-a-time aids.
2015-11-15T09:09:25 < dongs> shit
2015-11-15T09:09:25 < dongs> like
2015-11-15T09:09:26 < dongs> this
2015-11-15T09:09:29 < dongs> is ending up like
2015-11-15T09:09:29 < dongs> shit
2015-11-15T09:09:32 < dongs>   like
2015-11-15T09:09:33 < dongs>    this
2015-11-15T09:10:31 < upgrdman> you getting pwned by aussies again. lol.
2015-11-15T09:10:39 < dongs> all chinks now
2015-11-15T09:12:23 < dongs> allright, fixed that up
2015-11-15T09:12:40 < dongs> i dont see any "high dpi" improvements
2015-11-15T09:12:49 < dongs> but then again i'm not a blind macfaggot who runs 4k @ 1080p virtualrez
2015-11-15T09:16:00 < upgrdman> oh does 16 add better faggotry support?
2015-11-15T09:16:05 < upgrdman> time to check for updates. yay
2015-11-15T09:18:27 < upgrdman> where the fuck is updater
2015-11-15T09:19:22 < upgrdman> oh found it
2015-11-15T09:19:27 < upgrdman> sweet. downloading
2015-11-15T09:19:49 < aandrew> yeah I just discovered a bit of a fuckup
2015-11-15T09:19:52 < englishman> always take your Medicine
2015-11-15T09:20:00 < aandrew> I was using altium vault parts for a while when I still had a license
2015-11-15T09:20:19 < aandrew> my official support got gone so I did what any red-blooded american woudl do and pirated the shit
2015-11-15T09:20:30 < englishman> >i was using altium vault
2015-11-15T09:20:34 < englishman> end of story
2015-11-15T09:20:35 < aandrew> continued without vault, finished the schematic and went to make a board
2015-11-15T09:20:39 < dongs> 0http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer+Version+16.0
2015-11-15T09:20:54 < aandrew> none of the vault parts have footprints becuase I guess it didn't pick them up yet
2015-11-15T09:20:57 < aandrew> oops
2015-11-15T09:21:08 < dongs> who the fuck uses vault
2015-11-15T09:21:15 < aandrew> I did
2015-11-15T09:21:16 < dongs> the only time i did was for like 256pin xilinx
2015-11-15T09:21:18 < dongs> cuz iw asnt gonna draw it
2015-11-15T09:21:28 < aandrew> wasn't super happy with it but now I once again got bit by cloud shit
2015-11-15T09:21:28 < dongs> and even then I just took the symbol + made footprint myself
2015-11-15T09:21:32 < aandrew> I shoud've been smarter
2015-11-15T09:22:37 < upgrdman> oh... wtf. a yearly license to altidongs doesn't include upgrades to major versions?
2015-11-15T09:23:08 < aandrew> yeah I gotta see how much assrape is involved in a legit ad15 license
2015-11-15T09:23:09 < dongs> nup
2015-11-15T09:24:49 < englishman> KEY FEATURE HIGHLIGHTS
2015-11-15T09:24:54 < englishman> >constant crash on exit
2015-11-15T09:27:05 < upgrdman> nm. altium just tried to trick me. got the 16 download now.
2015-11-15T09:27:34 < aandrew> fucking vault.
2015-11-15T09:28:14 < upgrdman> isnt altium written is visual foxpro or someshit like that
2015-11-15T09:32:01 < upgrdman> FUCK YES. 16 fixed the high dpi fuck ups.
2015-11-15T09:32:13 < aandrew> yeah that was in the changelog
2015-11-15T09:33:06 < upgrdman> ya and dongs tweeted it, which made me try it out
2015-11-15T09:34:28 < aandrew> wait dongs tweets?
2015-11-15T09:34:45 < dongs> delphi
2015-11-15T09:35:07 < dongs> old versions had constant crashes in like D3DScene.PAS
2015-11-15T09:36:55 < upgrdman> aandrew, we often say "tweet" in here when we mean "said in irc in here"
2015-11-15T09:37:02 < aandrew> ah
2015-11-15T09:37:10 < upgrdman> because only douches actually use twitter
2015-11-15T09:37:55 < dongs> speaking of douches where hte fuck is zeptobars GD32 teardown
2015-11-15T09:39:04 < upgrdman> i like how the lattice diamond installer is all XP style with vibrant colors and gradients.
2015-11-15T09:39:11 < upgrdman> blast from the shitty past
2015-11-15T09:41:45 < upgrdman> zeptobars is that russian decapping web site right?
2015-11-15T09:41:58 < dongs> http://zeptobars.ru/ ya
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2015-11-15T09:51:01 < dongs> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/14/new-mexico-man-jailed-spraying-children-semen-loaded-squirt-gun
2015-11-15T09:54:03 < upgrdman> ew
2015-11-15T09:55:34 < jpa-> not only in japan anymore
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2015-11-15T10:06:45 < zyp> dongs, hey, do you have the name of that usb connector handy?
2015-11-15T10:08:48 < zyp> nevermind, found it
2015-11-15T10:10:00 < aandrew> 18 years for squirting kids with semen? wow
2015-11-15T10:10:09 < aandrew> he'd have got less time if he killed them outright
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2015-11-15T10:42:04 < jadew> this is the most awful issue I ever debuged
2015-11-15T10:42:05 < jadew> when I compile in debug it works
2015-11-15T10:42:08 < jadew> when I break, it works
2015-11-15T10:42:32 < jadew> when I change ANYTHING, it works but breaks for a different parameter value
2015-11-15T10:42:54 < upgrdman> timing issue?
2015-11-15T10:43:10 < jadew> considered it, but I can't figure out what it is
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2015-11-15T10:43:32 < upgrdman> well it works if you break, then continue, at some point?
2015-11-15T10:43:58 < jadew> yeah, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't break for a different parameter
2015-11-15T10:44:00 < upgrdman> so insert a spin wait there for a fraction of a second. if that fixes it, look at what happens immediated before and after.
2015-11-15T10:44:05 < jadew> any change to the code seems to throw it off
2015-11-15T10:44:28 < upgrdman> what is getting fucked up? some peripheral?
2015-11-15T10:44:33 < jadew> DMA
2015-11-15T10:44:59 < upgrdman> hmm. buffer overflow? (writing to or reading from shit you didn't plan to)
2015-11-15T10:45:12 < upgrdman> incrementing issues?
2015-11-15T10:45:40 < jadew> well, that was my first thought, but couldn't find anything
2015-11-15T10:46:25 < upgrdman> ok well then maybe timing. so remove dma for now, and do it the dumb way (interrupts or polling) and see if anything changes
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2015-11-15T10:48:45 < jadew> too much, I'm leaning towards timing issue, but I'm not entirely sure how it happens or why it behaves this way
2015-11-15T10:49:05 < upgrdman> what are you DMA'ing between
2015-11-15T10:49:18 < jadew> memory and GPIO
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2015-11-15T10:51:07 < upgrdman> how do you know its fucking up.
2015-11-15T10:51:17 < upgrdman> something connected to gpio?
2015-11-15T10:53:15 < upgrdman> fuck it. im tired. good luck. since gpio... use a logic analyzer or oscope.
2015-11-15T10:53:24 < upgrdman> bbl
2015-11-15T10:53:27 < jadew> night
2015-11-15T10:53:30 < jadew> already doing that
2015-11-15T11:18:48 < jubatus> http://www.livesexcamchat.ru/?watch=stm32
2015-11-15T11:19:31 < jubatus> (NSFW obviously)
2015-11-15T11:24:28 < jadew> lol
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2015-11-15T13:30:31 < Steffanx> ReadMobl is it that bad? He/she didn't say a word and it cant be worse than what many others here say.
2015-11-15T13:36:08 < dongs> wat
2015-11-15T13:38:10 < dongs> haha
2015-11-15T13:38:17 < dongs> is there some french nigger on the news
2015-11-15T13:38:26 < dongs> who got shot through his galaxy S6
2015-11-15T13:38:27 < dongs> and survived
2015-11-15T13:38:55 < Steffanx> old :P
2015-11-15T13:39:07 < dongs> just made it on jap news today.
2015-11-15T13:39:34 < Steffanx> didnthey do ananimsted yet or is thst something the chinese do?
2015-11-15T13:39:48 < Steffanx> animation *
2015-11-15T13:39:54 < dongs> thats chinks
2015-11-15T13:39:57 < dongs> apple news or whatever
2015-11-15T13:40:36 < dongs> herh
2015-11-15T13:40:44 < dongs> they're showing the vertical video of dudes hanging off windows
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2015-11-15T13:55:40 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6DB2AV9361 hey even this is better than zano
2015-11-15T14:00:04 < jpa-> not bad
2015-11-15T14:00:31 < jpa-> i bet it also flies better than zano
2015-11-15T14:02:19 < dongs> considering zano doesn't fly, thats not hard to do
2015-11-15T14:03:38 < ReadError> Steffanx yea its bad, he will lurk and keep a log book for what everyone is working on
2015-11-15T14:03:45 < ReadError> and then ask them about it
2015-11-15T14:05:25 < jpa-> who?
2015-11-15T14:05:37 < Steffanx> some guy that isn't here atm.
2015-11-15T14:05:44 < Steffanx> msev
2015-11-15T14:06:03 < jpa-> asking people things is bad now?
2015-11-15T14:06:10 < Steffanx> i guess so
2015-11-15T14:06:53 < ReadError> its hard to explain ;)
2015-11-15T14:07:17 < Steffanx> ok, we'll see
2015-11-15T14:11:44 < Steffanx> Stop being so reasonable jpa-
2015-11-15T14:12:04 < jpa-> never!
2015-11-15T14:12:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wfUeVNd.jpg she cut her hand
2015-11-15T14:14:55 < jubatus> who is that ?
2015-11-15T14:15:02 < dongs> no idea, i had to google
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2015-11-15T14:22:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/58zSvAW.gifv
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2015-11-15T14:25:39 < ReadError> im so confused ;(
2015-11-15T14:26:03 < dongs> did you open more htan 1 app on your mac?
2015-11-15T14:26:55 < dongs> BREAKING: Civilians feared dead and injured after car bomb triggers against foreign troops convoy in Lashkargah city in Helmand province, Afhanistan #prayforafghanistan
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2015-11-15T14:38:01 < Steffanx> #prayfordongs
2015-11-15T14:42:53 < ReadError> dongs got any cool liveleak vids of france?
2015-11-15T14:44:00 < dongs> just same shit that was everywehre
2015-11-15T14:44:06 < dongs> got some jap news feeds, it was al lsame shit
2015-11-15T14:44:14 < ReadError> i was offline so I missed everything
2015-11-15T14:44:21 < dongs> this is about the best I can do http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img908/9564/fenaW4.png
2015-11-15T14:44:34 < ReadError> oh damn
2015-11-15T14:44:50 < Steffanx> come on.. no need to share that here.
2015-11-15T14:44:57 < dongs> sry :( he asked.
2015-11-15T14:45:05 < Steffanx> where not /b/ or are we?
2015-11-15T14:45:06 < ReadError> doesnt france already hate muslims?
2015-11-15T14:45:09 < Steffanx> i guess we are
2015-11-15T14:45:17 < dongs> they do now
2015-11-15T14:45:38 < dongs> STMicro, which is partly owned by the French and Italian governments, reported a net loss of $22 million in the quarter, slightly less than the $24 million loss recorded in the same period last year. The net loss per share came out at $0.03.
2015-11-15T14:46:11 < dongs> TIL that ST is owned by governments
2015-11-15T14:46:17 < jpa-> huh why are they making a loss
2015-11-15T14:46:32 < dongs> to avoid taxation maybe?
2015-11-15T14:46:37 < Steffanx> too many cheap discovery boards.
2015-11-15T14:46:50 < dongs> The company said that it was hit by dollar strengthening--about 15% of its revenues are euro-denominated--and lower-than-anticipated sales of components for PC applications.
2015-11-15T14:49:56 < dongs> Steffanx: they're probly breaking even on discovery stuff.
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2015-11-15T15:05:43 < jubatus> ST parts are everywhere. Everyone uses them. Hard to believe they're not profitable.
2015-11-15T15:08:09 < jpa-> could be just pumping out money by other means
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2015-11-15T15:23:31 < jubatus> yeah if the Italians are involved there's definitely money leaving out the back door. :p
2015-11-15T15:30:40 < BrainDamage> racist
2015-11-15T15:32:49 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1447569878841.jpg
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2015-11-15T15:36:41 < Sync> out the back door jubatus?!
2015-11-15T15:36:46 < Sync> more like out the front door
2015-11-15T15:37:16 < Sync> dongs: "Diese Umfrage ist nicht repräsentativ."
2015-11-15T15:42:41 < dongs> wat does it mean
2015-11-15T15:43:01 < Sync> the poll is not reperesentative
2015-11-15T15:43:12 < Sync> because they probably asked like 100 persons
2015-11-15T15:43:30 < Sync> ntv is known for that shit
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2015-11-15T15:55:10 < Laurenceb_> Gados
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2015-11-15T16:18:50 < mitrax> i had the silliest dream... about this channel
2015-11-15T16:20:45 < dongs> it was taken over by zanos?
2015-11-15T16:21:36 < mitrax> jpa- had an irc bot that was running from a box or embbeded system inside a train and there was a live video feed and you could see the scenery through the train window
2015-11-15T16:21:53 < PaulFertser> TG hired some pro irc ee from here to save the project?
2015-11-15T16:22:21 < mitrax> and i was curious about which train it was, in what country, if it was a regular passenger train etc...
2015-11-15T16:23:08 < Sync> PaulFertser: gotta put that on my bsnz card
2015-11-15T16:23:15 < Sync> "##stm32 certified pro irc EE"
2015-11-15T16:23:55 < dongs> ill follow your dicked-in
2015-11-15T16:24:08 < PaulFertser> And if they ask for a confirmation dongs will prepare you a pdf with a dickbutt logo, yay!
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2015-11-15T16:28:06 < mitrax> i guess it's a tell-tale sign that i spend too much time on irc lately
2015-11-15T16:35:40 < dongs> dong-tale
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2015-11-15T16:53:04 < Laurenceb_> so someone was dong dreaming
2015-11-15T16:58:26 < jpa-> mitrax: norwegian probably, they once had an 8 hour tv show how a train goes through norway
2015-11-15T16:58:55 < jpa-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7rWhCqsh2I
2015-11-15T16:59:26 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting major confused
2015-11-15T16:59:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-TDA7116F-DS-v01_00-en.pdf?fileId=db3a30431ff98815012060531ca1616d
2015-11-15T16:59:40 < Laurenceb_> operating voltage max ==4v, absolute max 4v
2015-11-15T16:59:42 < Laurenceb_> odd
2015-11-15T16:59:56  * Laurenceb_ is wondering if its run off a lipo
2015-11-15T17:02:11 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=758_1447582339 haha
2015-11-15T17:02:47 < mitrax> jpa-: ahaha yeah it was something similar, except the camera wasn't in front of the train, more like from a passenger car window
2015-11-15T17:02:58 < dongs> mitrax, i think i've linked this before
2015-11-15T17:03:08 < dongs> it was like ~4 hours of jap train.
2015-11-15T17:03:10 < dongs> or 6
2015-11-15T17:03:37 < jpa-> in japan the camera points indoors at the guys groping the girls
2015-11-15T17:04:20 < PaulFertser> Car owners == morons; motorbike owners == cool guys
2015-11-15T17:04:23 < mitrax> dongs: well maybe my brain registered that back then and spat it out last night
2015-11-15T17:08:29 < dongs> mitrax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4qO3__jFs4
2015-11-15T17:08:31 < dongs> you can thank me later.
2015-11-15T17:08:46 < dongs> i actually scrolled through literally thousands of videos in my jewtub search history.
2015-11-15T17:10:54 < mitrax> rolling shutters suck
2015-11-15T17:11:30 < dongs> thats wat you saiad last time i pasted it
2015-11-15T17:11:53 < mitrax> seriously? i don't recall neither that video or having said that
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2015-11-15T17:15:38 < karlp> bah, cp2102 module didn't have enoughpower to power up this esp8266 module.
2015-11-15T17:15:44 < dongs> haha no.
2015-11-15T17:15:50 < karlp> now this is way too many wires
2015-11-15T17:15:50 < dongs> you mean their internal 3.3V reg?
2015-11-15T17:15:59 < dongs> its only good for liek 50mA tops
2015-11-15T17:16:08 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/1Xv/plain   just a slightly different video and slightly different person
2015-11-15T17:17:35 < jpa-> karlp: it is, barely, if you add a huge cap :)
2015-11-15T17:17:57 < mitrax> does anyone know when that new espressif wifi/bluetooth module will be out?
2015-11-15T17:18:08 < dongs> jpa-: err no
2015-11-15T17:18:12 < dongs> i DID link the train video in here.
2015-11-15T17:18:21 < dongs> o4qO3__jFs4 < search this.
2015-11-15T17:18:38 < dongs> also, holy shit baird
2015-11-15T17:31:28 < karlp> yeah, sticking a cap on made it not immediately crash and disconnect fro musb, but never properly boot
2015-11-15T17:33:28 < karlp> nah, now it' stoo much cap, it's unhappy
2015-11-15T17:34:46 < karlp> jpa-: any idea how to get the cp210x into 76800 baud in linux?
2015-11-15T17:35:52 < dongs> does lunix only have fixed baudrates or something?
2015-11-15T17:36:21 < dongs> is that esp related
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2015-11-15T17:42:52 < jpa-> karlp: IIRC works fine with cutecom
2015-11-15T17:43:12 < jpa-> err on
2015-11-15T17:43:14 < jpa-> *no
2015-11-15T17:43:36 < jpa-> did i use pyserial then, or did i just not use 76800
2015-11-15T17:45:40 < fenugrec> karlp: 76800bps - you tried with the BOTHER flag ? or ASYNC_SPD_CUSTOM ?
2015-11-15T17:49:11 < karlp> fenugrec: poking it with just picocom / et al now, not into making software to set the baudrate.
2015-11-15T17:49:29 < karlp> doesn't really matter I gues, 76800 is the bootlaoder
2015-11-15T17:49:43 < karlp> found that tmy module needed gpio15 low to boot as well.
2015-11-15T17:50:12 < fenugrec> okok. I'm not sure how much software uses the BOTHER + integer baud rate method; I use it in mine with some success
2015-11-15T17:50:16 < karlp> should have gotten a friendlier module for this proto :)
2015-11-15T17:50:46 < karlp> 2mm headers, fly wires and a disco board powering it and a cp210x dongle to talk to it is kinda clunky
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2015-11-15T19:06:52 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2015/11/14/rfm69-to-mqtt-gateway-on-the-super-cheap/
2015-11-15T19:06:56 < Laurenceb_> pro antenna skillz
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2015-11-15T19:19:03 < englishman> When your home automation network gets big enough, you’re going to have to think seriously about how the different parts talk to each other
2015-11-15T19:19:07 < englishman> a solution looking for a problem
2015-11-15T19:24:41 < Laurenceb_> https://voat.co/v/IAMA/comments/660099
2015-11-15T19:24:44 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-11-15T19:24:49 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro
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2015-11-15T20:27:40 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://imgur.com/WCBOUxU
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2015-11-15T20:47:50 < upgrdman> ahaha   http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/3/11/16/enhanced-buzz-14585-1363033923-17.jpg
2015-11-15T20:50:14 < Steffanx>    upgrdman is browsing the dark web again?
2015-11-15T20:52:20 < upgrdman> a wee bit
2015-11-15T20:53:24 < bloated> the dark chocolate web
2015-11-15T20:56:24 < jadew> that's a big pair of balls
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2015-11-15T22:07:02 < Rob235> can someone help me with setting up dma for timer pwm? It hangs on line 199 if I have line 187 set to Update and not CC2 (CC2 works but isn't what I want)  The update interrupt does occur regularly so I don't know why the transfer doesn't complete.  I think I'm using the right channels: PIN A1 for TIM2 CH2 and DMA1 STREAM6
2015-11-15T22:07:03 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/8RMpAWWj
2015-11-15T22:09:05 < Rob235> the timer seems to be set up correctly, I can not enable dma and set the pulse and see the correct pulse with a logic analyzer (800 kHz with duty cycle relative to pulse)
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2015-11-15T22:12:48 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-15T22:12:53 < Rob235> hi
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2015-11-15T22:38:26 < karlp> dongs: your esp8266 thing you built, were you using it in AT mode? or did you put some other firmware on the espressif part itself?
2015-11-15T22:41:26 < Roklobsta> karlp: are you mucking with one?  if so are they any good?
2015-11-15T22:46:56 < karlp> no opinion yet, other than that they're cheap and the documentation is "scattered"
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2015-11-15T23:21:49 < Rob235> blah, guess I could just not use dma for now.  everything else is working.  waste of cpu though
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2015-11-15T23:38:23 < Roklobsta> are you using your own drivers or libopencm3
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2015-11-15T23:57:10 < upgrdman> nice http://i.imgur.com/avPfXyD.gifv
2015-11-15T23:58:29 < Steffanx> girl of your dreams?
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2015-11-16T00:01:20 < upgrdman> almost
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2015-11-16T00:02:04 < upgrdman> is there a good youtube download program or chrome extension?
2015-11-16T00:02:23 < upgrdman> tried a few in VMs, and they're all adware shit. injecting overlay ads in chrome.
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2015-11-16T00:19:05 < jadew> upgrdman: get tamper monkey and find a script
2015-11-16T00:19:26 < jadew> I had one that added a button and allowed you to download in any of the available qualities
2015-11-16T00:19:41 < ReadError>  upgrdman theres a site
2015-11-16T00:19:46 < ReadError> that gives you mp4
2015-11-16T00:19:48 < ReadError> easiest
2015-11-16T00:20:01 < ReadError> or a lunix app
2015-11-16T00:20:33 < BrainDamage> youtube-dl in lunux
2015-11-16T00:21:01 < ReadError> ya
2015-11-16T00:25:20 < karlp> Rob235: it's also a waste of cpu to not do anything right? ;)
2015-11-16T00:26:04 < Rob235> just temporarily so I can work on other things in the meantime.  I really want to get it working but can't figure it out
2015-11-16T00:26:44 < Rob235> I'm setting it up now without dma to make sure it works then I can go back to it
2015-11-16T00:27:10 < Rob235> maybe its not the dma, this should let me know
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2015-11-16T00:38:41 < jadew> did you guys know that there are people who believe the earth is flat?
2015-11-16T00:38:55 < jadew> they do their own "experiments"
2015-11-16T00:38:56 < mtbg> and it isn't?
2015-11-16T00:39:01 < Fleck> ;p
2015-11-16T00:39:03 < mtbg> it looks flat
2015-11-16T00:39:24 < jadew> mtbg: depends from where you're looking tho :)
2015-11-16T00:39:27 < mtbg> or even concave
2015-11-16T00:39:43 < mtbg> since shoes most wear out on the front and back
2015-11-16T00:39:48 < mtbg> and not in the middle
2015-11-16T00:41:25 < jadew> mtbg: you should present them that theory
2015-11-16T00:42:04 < mtbg> :>
2015-11-16T00:42:19 < Roklobsta> christ, navigators had to accept the earth was round over 500 years ago if they actually wanted to get anywhere.
2015-11-16T00:42:32 < mtbg> I'm awfully drunk right now
2015-11-16T00:42:39 < mtbg> so maybe it is not a good idea
2015-11-16T00:43:00 < mitrax> mtbg: are you polish?
2015-11-16T00:43:04 < jadew> Roklobsta: they think it's like a plate
2015-11-16T00:43:06 < mtbg> yep
2015-11-16T00:43:10 < jadew> with the north pole in the middle
2015-11-16T00:44:56 < mitrax> mtbg: ever heard the french expression "bourré comme un polonais" ?
2015-11-16T00:45:03 < mtbg> no
2015-11-16T00:45:15 < mtbg> what does it mean?
2015-11-16T00:45:18 < mitrax> literraly "drunk as a polish man"
2015-11-16T00:45:28 < mtbg> well
2015-11-16T00:45:33 < mtbg> I don't drink much
2015-11-16T00:45:36 < mitrax> err literally
2015-11-16T00:45:42 < mtbg> this is a second time this year
2015-11-16T00:46:03 < mitrax> suuuure!
2015-11-16T00:46:31 < mitrax> that's what you said last time!
2015-11-16T00:48:48 < mitrax> any dark secret you want to share with us while you're drunk?
2015-11-16T00:50:42 < mtbg> nope
2015-11-16T00:50:51 < mitrax> mtbg: :(
2015-11-16T00:52:08 < mitrax> mtbg: nothing embarassing you could tell us about and that we could throw at you later on? c'mon!
2015-11-16T00:52:24 < mtbg> I love you all
2015-11-16T00:53:16 < pid> :-D
2015-11-16T00:53:17 < mitrax> mtbg: and we love you back, you can trust us you know
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2015-11-16T02:00:44 < upgrdman> lolwut, is this some sort of railway signal?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F89dl26wq8&feature=youtu.be
2015-11-16T02:02:20 < Sync> yes
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2015-11-16T02:03:28 < kakimir> if you are gay, do you know it?
2015-11-16T02:09:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg
2015-11-16T02:09:54 < englishman> old
2015-11-16T02:09:57 < englishman> BUT
2015-11-16T02:10:00 < englishman> still excellent movie
2015-11-16T02:10:09 < englishman> way better than stupid jurassic world
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2015-11-16T02:13:37 < upgrdman> kakimir, you afraid you might be gay? easy way to check: look at a nice girl... does your weiner tingle? lol
2015-11-16T02:14:34 < kakimir> dem bitches
2015-11-16T02:15:57 < mitrax> i have another way
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2015-11-16T02:17:18 < kakimir> mitrax: :D
2015-11-16T02:17:43 < mtbg> I guess I should fall asleep
2015-11-16T02:17:48 < mitrax> i was going to post a gay porn picture and ask you if it made you cringe
2015-11-16T02:17:50 < mitrax> but it's a bad idea
2015-11-16T02:18:43 < mtbg> good night guys
2015-11-16T02:18:52 < mitrax> mtbg: good night
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2015-11-16T02:19:30 < upgrdman> mitrax, like lemon party? lol
2015-11-16T02:20:30 < mitrax> i didn't know that one
2015-11-16T02:20:31 < mitrax> eeeew
2015-11-16T02:24:32 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3159486194/395847d5f7b617e88f6330d1b8236908_400x400.jpeg
2015-11-16T02:25:03 < kakimir> that is like 2008 internet, good times
2015-11-16T02:25:41 < mitrax> good times were more like 1998 internet
2015-11-16T02:25:56 < kakimir> yes definitelly
2015-11-16T02:26:06 < kakimir> big boys had internets
2015-11-16T02:27:41 < mitrax> i take that back
2015-11-16T02:27:55 < mitrax> i just remembered the amount of my phone bills back then
2015-11-16T02:28:30 < kakimir> if you wanted to use internets you had to be creative
2015-11-16T02:28:41 < kakimir> actually leave the house
2015-11-16T02:29:19 < kakimir> use as excessive use
2015-11-16T02:29:35 < kakimir> maybe..
2015-11-16T02:30:08 < mitrax> bed time!
2015-11-16T02:30:20 < mitrax> good night
2015-11-16T02:48:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6LZO1VI.jpg
2015-11-16T02:51:40 < kakimir> http://gm.tapastic.com/convert/share/7a/68/89/ba/d3092e9a088e444c930d3a58b259caa3.jpg
2015-11-16T02:54:35 < KreAture_> hey dongs what's the best solution ya think for reading data from 4 OV7670 cams and doing some light processing to find some lines?
2015-11-16T02:55:11 < KreAture_> I'm making a lidar
2015-11-16T03:00:14 < Rob235> interesting... my dma is actually working.  just not the interrupts.  finally making some headway
2015-11-16T03:00:51 < kakimir> KreAture_: you sure that is the way to go?
2015-11-16T03:01:11 < KreAture_> kakimir I want to make one that does not scan around
2015-11-16T03:01:25 < KreAture_> kakimir I want it to grab simultaneous data in 360
2015-11-16T03:01:59 < KreAture_> kakimir By using 3-4 cams I can do a pretty much synched read and then look for the parralax of a line laser in each of em
2015-11-16T03:02:49 < kakimir> if I wanted to build a lidar
2015-11-16T03:03:10 < KreAture_> Not sure how to get it using the full area of the ccd (cmos) though as the ideal situation has the line laser going straight out with the cam view being skewed
2015-11-16T03:03:50 < KreAture_> ?
2015-11-16T03:04:14 < kakimir> I would machine aluminum block having multiple emitter/receiver pairs
2015-11-16T03:04:39 < dongs> KreAture_: lol, not PIC32, i can tell you that much
2015-11-16T03:04:46 < kakimir> that block would be rotated with servo device in the head of rotating axle
2015-11-16T03:04:49 < KreAture_> I need many points kakimir not just a few
2015-11-16T03:04:58 < KreAture_> and as I said I want to not rotate it
2015-11-16T03:05:02 < KreAture_> I already have many of those
2015-11-16T03:05:05 < KreAture_> even expensive ones
2015-11-16T03:05:18 < kakimir> what are you doings with em
2015-11-16T03:05:33 < KreAture_> diff stuff
2015-11-16T03:06:01 < KreAture_> I have one unit that is common to use in robotics p,ants as a safety control for ppl when they go in with the robot to place metal parts in fixtures
2015-11-16T03:06:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku6johUlYa4
2015-11-16T03:06:49 < KreAture_> dongs I was thinking of using a stm32 for each cam as they can be done cheaply with a stm32L051 or similar
2015-11-16T03:07:16 < dongs> KreAture_: 640x480x?? * 30fps is a lot of rgb data
2015-11-16T03:08:00 < KreAture_> I won't be using the data much
2015-11-16T03:08:17 < KreAture_> just running through the red or green channel looking for a line per column
2015-11-16T03:08:32 < KreAture_> and I don't need 30 fps either, 5 is enough
2015-11-16T03:08:33 < KreAture_> hehe
2015-11-16T03:08:45 < dongs> oh okay. i duno if you actually dictate what the fps will be
2015-11-16T03:08:51 < KreAture_> still, I was considering using the sensor interface as it will be a 8 bit paralell bus
2015-11-16T03:08:54 < Rob235> what do the FE and DME interrupts for dma do?
2015-11-16T03:08:56 < KreAture_> you can
2015-11-16T03:08:57 < dongs> i guess if you do single image instead of streaming it might be OK
2015-11-16T03:09:01 < KreAture_> you use i2c to ask cam for a setup
2015-11-16T03:09:12 < KreAture_> set registers
2015-11-16T03:09:25 < KreAture_> Got my own version of the driver which allows setting this easily
2015-11-16T03:09:39 < KreAture_> Not those arduino things with hex codes stuffed into the cam
2015-11-16T03:09:43 < KreAture_> lol
2015-11-16T03:11:08 < KreAture_> anyways, I just feel fed up with all the scanning designs I've done and worked with and would very much like to have a static one
2015-11-16T03:11:41 < KreAture_> Thinking the robotics guys at the local hackerspace may find a good use for a design that simply outputs lidar data for em
2015-11-16T03:11:56 < KreAture_> no spinning stuff
2015-11-16T03:12:05 < KreAture_> no sliprings, motors and shit
2015-11-16T03:12:26 < KreAture_> I do have a cool cam though, it's a laser range camera
2015-11-16T03:12:37 < KreAture_> It uses "time of flight pixels"
2015-11-16T03:13:12 < KreAture_> It uses ir laser and about 80 watts of electricity though
2015-11-16T03:13:36 < KreAture_> shoots a 640x480 pic or range data and is very accurate, unfortunately it is also glitchy as hell
2015-11-16T03:13:46 < KreAture_> oh and it's $180k
2015-11-16T03:13:57 < KreAture_> and 2kgs
2015-11-16T03:14:40 < KreAture_> http://rotec-engineering.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Time-of-flight-camera-Fotonic-1030x689.jpg
2015-11-16T03:16:29 < KreAture_> so dongs you think I can pull it off on a stm32 ?
2015-11-16T03:17:02 < KreAture_> I can set the cam into a 565 mode or something and go 4 bit on the data but I think that would not be effichient as the stm32 is not very good at nibble access
2015-11-16T03:17:43 < kakimir> what is that box KreAture_
2015-11-16T03:17:43 < upgrdman> lolol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFhw6k-k0zA
2015-11-16T03:17:50 < KreAture_> kakimir a time of flight camera
2015-11-16T03:17:54 < dongs> when i was doing zanocam, jpa or someone pasted me STM code for using GPIO DMA to pull data from cam
2015-11-16T03:17:57 < dongs> so yea, you should be able to do it
2015-11-16T03:18:42 < KreAture_> dongs 300k pixels is maby a tad much to store as well, but with 90 degrees fov I only need to store 90 columns of it, maby even use the cam vertically to get the data ordered in scan rows?
2015-11-16T03:18:52 < KreAture_> In scan rows I could even process on the fly
2015-11-16T03:18:56 < KreAture_> no need to store
2015-11-16T03:19:08 < KreAture_> hmm, dang
2015-11-16T03:19:11 < KreAture_> that won't work
2015-11-16T03:19:25 < KreAture_> I need to store a pic and then subtract ref pix to find the laserline
2015-11-16T03:19:28 < KreAture_> dho!
2015-11-16T03:19:51 < dongs> attach each cam to SAM D5
2015-11-16T03:20:04 < KreAture_> :)
2015-11-16T03:20:09 < KreAture_> ram galore
2015-11-16T03:20:14 < dongs> yea.
2015-11-16T03:20:19 < dongs> or
2015-11-16T03:20:25 < dongs> some chinese shit w/sdram
2015-11-16T03:20:32 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6DB2AV9361
2015-11-16T03:20:33  * KreAture_ checks out the parametric table to see how much mem he can have
2015-11-16T03:20:33 < dongs> like this thing
2015-11-16T03:20:45 < KreAture_> we do boards at work all the time btw
2015-11-16T03:20:51 < KreAture_> doing a cortex board now for some guys
2015-11-16T03:21:14 < KreAture_> doing racetrack routing on the ddr mem
2015-11-16T03:21:20 < KreAture_> finky stuff
2015-11-16T03:21:36 < KreAture_> kinda overboard for this little hobby-idea though
2015-11-16T03:22:14 < dongs> that thing is better than zano
2015-11-16T03:22:43 < KreAture_> If I turn the cam 90 deg and do 640x480 I get 640 points I need to keep on each scan line, but I only need like 90 columns
2015-11-16T03:22:56 < KreAture_> 57600
2015-11-16T03:23:09 < KreAture_> and when second set of data comes in I can do the subtraction on the fly
2015-11-16T03:23:13 < KreAture_> wish the dma could do it though
2015-11-16T03:23:16 < KreAture_> that'd be cool
2015-11-16T03:23:17 < dongs> http://blog.chrobi.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AK3918-HD-IP-Camera-SoC-Specification.pdf
2015-11-16T03:23:20 < dongs> dude
2015-11-16T03:23:23 < dongs> i wonder how much it is from china
2015-11-16T03:23:25 < dongs> look at that chip
2015-11-16T03:23:30 < dongs> you could totally zano it
2015-11-16T03:23:36 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap
2015-11-16T03:23:53 < KreAture_> I have a few mcu's at work with fpga in too that could do it
2015-11-16T03:23:57 < KreAture_> but again overkill
2015-11-16T03:24:00 < KreAture_> and less fun
2015-11-16T03:24:10 < KreAture_> (I really hate those chips with fpga)
2015-11-16T03:24:48 < Laurenceb_> lol fpga zano
2015-11-16T03:27:01 < KreAture_> hmm
2015-11-16T03:27:09 < Laurenceb_> worlds smallest tracker
2015-11-16T03:27:11 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/DHdkj
2015-11-16T03:27:15 < Laurenceb_> maybe...
2015-11-16T03:27:17 < KreAture_> I got a tray of 103 chips
2015-11-16T03:27:20 < KreAture_> 20k sram
2015-11-16T03:27:44 < kakimir> does making shit pay any good today?
2015-11-16T03:27:52 < KreAture_> I get paid well
2015-11-16T03:29:08 < kakimir> I mean.. you work for people that do that shiet
2015-11-16T03:29:28 < kakimir> but if you start business today
2015-11-16T03:29:33 < KreAture_> dongs if we assume cpu cycles is not the issue, and I go 4 bit on the color data, then I can use almost all mem to store pixels and possibly do 60 samples per cam
2015-11-16T03:31:15 < upgrdman> speaking of needing lots of ram... the f4 can do sdram, right? what kind of latency would that entail? tens of clock cycles?
2015-11-16T03:32:34 < KreAture_> kakimir it's probably easier to work alone these days than for a large corp designing stuff
2015-11-16T03:32:36 < KreAture_> hard times
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2015-11-16T03:32:50 < KreAture_> small freelancing seems easier nowadays
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2015-11-16T03:33:01 < dongs> KreAture_: the only reasonable way to get camera data is to DMA
2015-11-16T03:33:20 < dongs> you arent gonna have time to preprocess each line into 4 bit or whatever
2015-11-16T03:33:27 < kakimir> but there is no tech boom money falling from skies
2015-11-16T03:33:37 < KreAture_> dongs you specify the camera clock btw
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2015-11-16T03:33:48 < KreAture_> it has a internal readout buffer
2015-11-16T03:33:57 < KreAture_> You can clock it out very very slowly
2015-11-16T03:33:59 < KreAture_> hehe
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2015-11-16T03:34:55 < dongs> lol that chinachip has 5 hardware PWMs
2015-11-16T03:35:00 < dongs> can totally do zano
2015-11-16T03:35:32 < KreAture_> anyways, sleepy time here
2015-11-16T03:35:38 < KreAture_> have fun
2015-11-16T03:36:08 < dongs> wtf
2015-11-16T03:36:12 < dongs> UART and PWM are muxed on samea pins
2015-11-16T03:36:15 < dongs> assholes
2015-11-16T03:36:29 < Laurenceb_> does it have ARM core on there?
2015-11-16T03:36:34 < dongs> 926JE yea
2015-11-16T03:36:38 < dongs> and 64mb dram
2015-11-16T03:36:40 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2015-11-16T03:36:41 < dongs> all in one chip
2015-11-16T03:36:47 < dongs> http://blog.chrobi.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AK3918-HD-IP-Camera-SoC-Specification.pdf
2015-11-16T03:36:50 < dongs> ^ that
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2015-11-16T03:37:35 < kakimir> hah
2015-11-16T03:37:50 < kakimir> camera running zano?
2015-11-16T03:37:53 < kakimir> how
2015-11-16T03:38:02 < kakimir> does it have hardware encoders?
2015-11-16T03:38:03 < dongs> yes
2015-11-16T03:38:05 < dongs> h264.
2015-11-16T03:38:10 < dongs> something zano does not have.
2015-11-16T03:38:14 < Laurenceb_> it has h.264
2015-11-16T03:38:16 < kakimir> dma of course
2015-11-16T03:38:17 < Laurenceb_> lol owned
2015-11-16T03:38:26 < Sync> yeah
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2015-11-16T03:38:57 < Laurenceb_> zano can be done properly
2015-11-16T03:39:24 < kakimir> who cares
2015-11-16T03:39:27 < dongs> probly have to use small stm32 for pwm/realtime control
2015-11-16T03:39:27 < Laurenceb_> lots of BGA pins :-/
2015-11-16T03:39:29 < dongs> and that thing for camera
2015-11-16T03:39:52 < Laurenceb_> can you stream h.264 over wifi?
2015-11-16T03:40:02 < dongs> well, that shit just runs lunix
2015-11-16T03:40:08 < dongs> so you can do wahtever the fuck you want i guess.
2015-11-16T03:40:35 < Laurenceb_> heh
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2015-11-16T03:44:48 < dongs> that chip is $6 btw
2015-11-16T03:44:58 < dongs> even less than a fucking DICK32MZ
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2015-11-16T03:47:20 < kakimir> that would have saved ivan's life
2015-11-16T04:10:22 < Lux> but still no full hd
2015-11-16T04:11:05 < Lux> isn't the tech used in that chip like 5-10 years old ?
2015-11-16T04:16:51 < dongs> thts still 5-10 years newer than PIC32
2015-11-16T04:18:23 < dongs> DDR2 isnt too old. its nice they hooked that up to ARM926
2015-11-16T04:18:30 < dongs> i would have expected regular SDRAM there.
2015-11-16T04:19:41 < Lux> right, but still 2010 is i guess
2015-11-16T04:20:00 < Lux> too bad all that recent stuff is pretty hard to get vs chips like that
2015-11-16T04:20:43 < Lux> i bet some allwinner wouldn't even cost much more, but lunix support will be bad i guess
2015-11-16T04:20:55 < Sync> well
2015-11-16T04:21:01 < Sync> allwinner will nut talk to you
2015-11-16T04:21:08 < Lux> yep
2015-11-16T04:21:09 < Sync> if you are not buying 100k or more
2015-11-16T04:23:06 < dongs> that AK shit is also lunix
2015-11-16T04:23:12 < dongs> and probly just as sketchy as allwhiner
2015-11-16T04:23:13 < dongs> suport-wise
2015-11-16T04:23:17 < dongs> if not worse
2015-11-16T04:24:14 < Lux> even with the raspberry lunix support still sucks bad
2015-11-16T04:24:23 < dongs> good
2015-11-16T04:24:41 < Lux> i wonder what dick started doing "drivers" by writing to dev/mem
2015-11-16T04:24:41 < dongs> lux, how's your clonebiz doing
2015-11-16T04:24:47 < dongs> did you fire your hardware guy yet
2015-11-16T04:25:02 < dongs> lux, well, t hats technically what youre doing on STM32 :)
2015-11-16T04:25:11 < dongs> how else you gonna access memorymapped peripherals
2015-11-16T04:25:22 < Lux> but there i don't have an os with drivers
2015-11-16T04:25:23 < dongs> but entry level for lunix kernel drivers is so high
2015-11-16T04:25:33 < dongs> and they made it nearly impossibly now with latest kernels to build shit out of tree
2015-11-16T04:25:39 < Lux> it's not that hard to code lunix drivers
2015-11-16T04:25:49 < dongs> with the uapi/whatever shit
2015-11-16T04:25:57 < dongs> where you can no longer access anything useful in kernel space when you build out of tree
2015-11-16T04:26:09 < dongs> so you gotta add your driver to main treee, maintain patches for every second when it changes etc.
2015-11-16T04:26:22 < dongs> instead of having a makefile, faggot.c and Kbuild or wahtever in a single folder.
2015-11-16T04:26:35 < Lux> i guess that's how it's meant to be
2015-11-16T04:26:53 < Lux> at least you can use the latest stuff that way
2015-11-16T04:27:04 < Lux> instead of some 2.6 fork
2015-11-16T04:28:01 < dongs> what latest stuff?
2015-11-16T04:28:03 < Rob235> for a timer/dma setup can you set the ccr register after the ccr interrupt and then the pulse continues until its over and is reset using the new ccr value or if you have a low ccr value, interrupt occurs, set new ccr to a higher value and in same pulse the signal changes again or will it just reset to low (which its already at from last ccr interrupt) I hope this makes sense.  ramblings of my brain trying to work things out
2015-11-16T04:28:15 < Lux> i mean kernel wise
2015-11-16T04:28:19 < dongs> rob, there's a setting for that
2015-11-16T04:28:31 < Rob235> i dont want anymore settings damnit hah
2015-11-16T04:28:32 < dongs> i forget whatis called but its one of preload or something registers
2015-11-16T04:28:36 < Rob235> its finally starting to work
2015-11-16T04:28:51 < dongs> lux, developing on ~recent kernels is impossible out of tree
2015-11-16T04:29:08 < dongs> you have to integrate your shit into the huge aids.
2015-11-16T04:29:14 < dongs> and have full kernel sources, patch, etc.
2015-11-16T04:29:22 < dongs> before, you just had to have kernel headers anmd you could build out of tree.
2015-11-16T04:29:42 < dongs> https://lwn.net/Articles/507794/ when this happened, all shit got fucked
2015-11-16T04:30:03 < dongs> some dicheads decided what is "userspace" and what is "kernelspace" and you can no longer build anything useful from "userspace" because the headers are no longer there.
2015-11-16T04:32:35 < Lux> i kinda get it now
2015-11-16T04:32:56 < Lux> btw clonebiz is running well and the hardware is getting better
2015-11-16T04:33:10 < dongs> still eagle
2015-11-16T04:33:14 < dongs> so cant be that pro
2015-11-16T04:33:24 < Lux> was allways altium ;)
2015-11-16T04:35:03 < Lux> i had to use eagle once for work, would never touch it again voluntarily
2015-11-16T04:35:52 < dongs> right
2015-11-16T04:36:04 < dongs> i honestlytried eagle two times to do a project
2015-11-16T04:36:12 < dongs> like years ago (which doenst matter cuz it hasnt changed)
2015-11-16T04:36:23 < dongs> it was just so fucking awful i dont know how all the make:r trash even uses it
2015-11-16T04:37:13 < Lux> i guess you get used to it, but the whole workflow is overcomplicated
2015-11-16T04:37:27 < Lux> too much clicking/tool changing involved
2015-11-16T04:40:12 < Rob235> i hate myself
2015-11-16T04:40:42 < Rob235> haha, turns out dma isn't close to working, just forgot to comment out the code in the timer interrupt handler that did what the dma is supposed to be doing
2015-11-16T04:41:53 < Rob235> why would TIM_DMACmd(TIM2, TIM_DMA_CC2, ENABLE); cause interrupts but TIM_DMACmd(TIM2, TIM_DMA_Update ENABLE); doesn't
2015-11-16T04:41:56 < Rob235> I enabled both interrupts
2015-11-16T04:42:53 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/apUPnp51.html
2015-11-16T04:42:54 < dongs> here's F1 version
2015-11-16T04:42:59 < dongs> its not that much different on F4.
2015-11-16T04:51:42 < dongs> i think in tha code i tried both timer IRQ based and fully DMA
2015-11-16T04:51:46 < dongs> there's bits leftover of both methosd.
2015-11-16T04:51:49 < dongs> final version was dma tho
2015-11-16T04:52:18 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/4R4Ed1l
2015-11-16T04:58:57 < Rob235> i can get it working the way you did dongs, its pure dma I can't
2015-11-16T04:59:08 < dongs> er
2015-11-16T04:59:11 < dongs> what is "pure dma"?
2015-11-16T04:59:16 < dongs> you have to reload the buffer at some point
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2015-11-16T04:59:20 < dongs> you can interrupt in DMA_HT or something
2015-11-16T04:59:24 < Rob235> 'fully dma'
2015-11-16T04:59:27 < dongs> and start working on 2nd buffer and use double-buffered dma or something
2015-11-16T04:59:40 < Rob235> you used the timer interrupt handler to do it
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2015-11-16T04:59:44 < dongs> no i didnt
2015-11-16T04:59:49 < dongs> i said that code has 2 ways
2015-11-16T04:59:52 < dongs> timer and DMA.
2015-11-16T04:59:58 < dongs> if you notice, timer isn't enabled in the setup code.
2015-11-16T05:08:53 < Rob235> when does clockout get called? isnt CR1_CEN enabling the timer?
2015-11-16T05:09:56 < dongs> you need to enable the timer to clock the bits out
2015-11-16T05:10:18 < dongs> the process roughly is,
2015-11-16T05:10:28 < dongs> 1) prepare data 2) configure dma 3) enable timer
2015-11-16T05:10:38 < dongs> the final enable will start sending data out.
2015-11-16T05:11:02 < dongs> then if you wanna repeat, setup DMA_HT or use double-buffer dma, and when that IRQ hits, start preparing next/2nd buffer.
2015-11-16T05:15:27 < aandrew> dongs: have you used any stereo audio amps in the 5W range?
2015-11-16T05:15:31 < aandrew> anything to recommend anyway
2015-11-16T05:15:40 < dongs> nup
2015-11-16T05:16:23 < aandrew> ok
2015-11-16T05:17:33 < fenugrec> lm386 ? oh that's 1W
2015-11-16T05:17:58 < Rob235> i get transfer complete flag but the logic analyzer doesn't show what the output should be
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2015-11-16T05:26:13 < Rob235> I also get interrupts while timer and dma is disabled, is that normal?
2015-11-16T05:33:42 < dongs> aandrew: emeb_mac would probly know
2015-11-16T05:33:55 < emeb_mac> huh?
2015-11-16T05:34:14 < dongs> > have you used any stereo audio amps in the 5W range?
2015-11-16T05:34:17 < aandrew> I'll probably just use a TDA7491 or TDA7266
2015-11-16T05:34:25 < aandrew> trying to decide whether I want AB or D
2015-11-16T05:35:03 < emeb_mac> I've got some old Hitachi modules.
2015-11-16T05:35:38 < emeb_mac> All class AB stuff - needs big DC blocking caps. Probably "Not Recommended for New Design"
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2015-11-16T05:37:33 < emeb_mac> better off with new class D stuff as found in the cheapo Lepai amps.
2015-11-16T05:38:47 < aandrew> interesting
2015-11-16T05:39:10 < aandrew> also interesting on those two I mentioned was that the AB maxxes out at 70% efficiency whereas teh D tops out at 90%
2015-11-16T05:40:12 < emeb_mac> TA2020 seems to be the part they used.
2015-11-16T05:40:52 < emeb_mac> they call it "Class T" but I suspect it's just a variation on D.
2015-11-16T05:41:36 < emeb_mac> but those little PAM parts dongs pointed out are good to 1.5W
2015-11-16T05:41:54 < emeb_mac> and super cheap. not far off what you're looking for.
2015-11-16T05:42:56 < emeb_mac> only 5dB off. :)
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2015-11-16T05:51:19 < aandrew> Tigital.
2015-11-16T06:04:43 < dongs> dongital
2015-11-16T06:10:48 < dongs> found Laurenceb__ project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiMJJ-yDWbQ
2015-11-16T06:11:06 < dongs> (slightly nsfw-ish
2015-11-16T06:11:51 < jadew> I should make NSFW a word on my watch list
2015-11-16T06:13:13 < jadew> is there a chick with a dick in her mouth in that video?
2015-11-16T06:13:27 < jadew> and is that like a... manual blowjob machine?
2015-11-16T06:15:22 < jadew> holly crap, lots of videos with actual dicks suggested from the deep slide thing
2015-11-16T06:16:16 < upgrdman> lol @ jap jack off sleeve
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2015-11-16T06:27:11 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/bfipUP6.jpg
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2015-11-16T06:28:43 < jadew> luckily that's an old people problem
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2015-11-16T06:52:09 < Getty> holy moly http://www.wideopenspaces.com/map-of-most-armed-counties/
2015-11-16T06:53:22 < upgrdman> ?
2015-11-16T06:53:26 < upgrdman> so what.
2015-11-16T06:53:30 < upgrdman> you afraid of guns?
2015-11-16T06:53:35 < Getty> didnt expected it to be 59.1%
2015-11-16T06:53:45 < Getty> yeah sure, guns are not part of a civilized country, so we wait for america to drop them ;)
2015-11-16T06:54:54 < upgrdman> no reason to be afraid of guns.
2015-11-16T06:55:56 < Getty> sure ;)
2015-11-16T06:56:04 < Getty> i like to have this escalation level on a dispute
2015-11-16T06:56:07 < Getty> <thumbsup>
2015-11-16T06:56:51 < upgrdman> you think people in the usa just whip out their guns over petty arguments?
2015-11-16T06:56:59 < upgrdman> that ~never happens
2015-11-16T06:57:07 < Getty> oh.. yeah? LOL :)
2015-11-16T06:57:51 < Getty> should we go on talking about the behaviour of the cops based on the reality that they have a high risk facing a gun?
2015-11-16T06:58:05 < upgrdman> if nothing else, guns helps to weed out the week. the biggest portion of gun deaths are suicide.
2015-11-16T06:58:06 < Getty> changing those consequences will still take decades.... if not a century
2015-11-16T06:58:52 < Getty> my most "favorite" sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/
2015-11-16T06:59:01 < upgrdman> ya, usa cops are not nearly as nice as the ones in most other countries.
2015-11-16T06:59:19 < upgrdman> but the media like to blow things out of proportion. espially if a black person is involved.
2015-11-16T06:59:23 < Getty> LOL
2015-11-16T06:59:44 < Getty> look.... there are daily cases, where every single case is not happening in complete EUROPE ......
2015-11-16T06:59:47 < Getty> thats my problem
2015-11-16T06:59:50 < Getty> simple
2015-11-16T07:00:11 < Getty> even 1000 cases per year is too much given that other countries eliminated the cases totally
2015-11-16T07:00:33 < Getty> why is america unable to learn from other countries? why are they always insisting that their lifestyle enforces them to do it wrong?
2015-11-16T07:00:51 < Getty> s/lifestyle/size of country/ (lifestyle was more my interpretation)
2015-11-16T07:01:21 < upgrdman> i've had to deal with cops three times in my life. one speeding ticket, one burned out tail light warning, and one cop who thought that me walking in a park at night meant i was a drug dealer. in all three cases, the cops were professional.
2015-11-16T07:01:56 < Getty> yeah, sure, if you buy electronics in china then MOST of them will still work ;-)
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2015-11-16T07:03:21 < upgrdman> its more like, if you are a decent human, theres a very very high probability a cop will treat you like a decent human
2015-11-16T07:03:36 < Getty> so you say all those black people are doing it wrong?
2015-11-16T07:03:46 < upgrdman> if you're a trouble maker or acting like one, you get what you get.
2015-11-16T07:04:07 < Getty> and the dogs are also responsible cause they are not humans? https://puppycidedb.com/
2015-11-16T07:04:12 < Getty> nope
2015-11-16T07:04:18 < Getty> you also get it when you are just plain black
2015-11-16T07:04:24 < emeb_mac> heh - most armed counties. That red one in AZ is Pinal Co - just south of me.
2015-11-16T07:04:30 < Getty> it is really disgusting to assume that all those cases are 100% relying on black people resisting
2015-11-16T07:04:38 < upgrdman> who said 100%
2015-11-16T07:04:51 < Getty> actually you _SAW_ videos of cops acting 100% wrong, and still 99% of those cops are still in service
2015-11-16T07:04:54 < Getty> no consequences
2015-11-16T07:04:58 < Getty> the cases are going through
2015-11-16T07:05:08 < Getty> the pepper spray cop gets retirement, i mean COME ON
2015-11-16T07:05:27 < Getty> the blue curtain
2015-11-16T07:05:30 < Getty> show must go on
2015-11-16T07:05:40 < upgrdman> no argument there. theres bad cops. agreed. but they're a small minority.
2015-11-16T07:05:45 < Getty> BTW:
2015-11-16T07:05:50 < Getty> i can prove to you that all cops are fucked up
2015-11-16T07:06:03 < upgrdman> you mean the cop that pepper sprayed those idiot kids blocking the only exit to the college building?
2015-11-16T07:06:04 < Getty> cause they all have the guideline which seems to include draw the gun as early as possible
2015-11-16T07:06:08 < Getty> alone that makes all police action a risk
2015-11-16T07:06:24 < Getty> in our country drawing the gun is like the last option, but i domt blame the US cops, they still have those armed citizens
2015-11-16T07:06:42 < Getty> upgrdman: i mean the cop who pepper sprayed political protester
2015-11-16T07:06:52 < Getty> which is a fundamental right that needs special protection and got special protection
2015-11-16T07:06:57 < upgrdman> peaceful protestor?
2015-11-16T07:06:59 < Getty> even tho -THERE- most countries fuck up
2015-11-16T07:07:01 < Getty> well if you SIT
2015-11-16T07:07:05 < Getty> the you are p.d. peaceful
2015-11-16T07:07:13 < Getty> if you stand and have a stone in the hand => ok
2015-11-16T07:07:18 < upgrdman> link?
2015-11-16T07:07:19 < Getty> but if you sit and have a poster in hand => not ok
2015-11-16T07:07:28 < Getty> i am out in some minutes but you will find the pictures
2015-11-16T07:07:30 < Getty> they were sitting
2015-11-16T07:07:42 < Getty> you dont use force against sitting people
2015-11-16T07:07:49 < Getty> its your right as cop to just carry them away
2015-11-16T07:07:53 < upgrdman> were they blocking stuff and acting like asses?
2015-11-16T07:07:57 < Getty> thats the official tactics or should be (again: german suxx at this too)
2015-11-16T07:08:00 < Getty> doesnt matter
2015-11-16T07:08:03 < Getty> you can carry them away
2015-11-16T07:08:06 < Getty> => responsible reaction
2015-11-16T07:08:18 < Getty> i must go ;)
2015-11-16T07:08:20 < upgrdman> pepper spray is more fun and discourages idiots in the future.
2015-11-16T07:08:29 < upgrdman> ok :)
2015-11-16T07:14:53 < emeb_mac> pepper spray - it's like a time machine
2015-11-16T07:15:42 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-11-16T07:26:42 < dongs> pdate 3 May 2015: I.ve been compiling KiCad for over an hour, and it.s sitting at near 100% CPU use on all four cores, and running at max clock speed. Figured I should take another thermal pic while it.s hot. Not terribly bad for the hotspots, within the datasheet tolerances. Hotter than I.d prefer, and I don.t think I.d run it this hard for long with the lid closed, but no troubles.
2015-11-16T07:26:48 < dongs> haha
2015-11-16T07:26:52 < dongs> the only good use for novena: compiling kikecad
2015-11-16T07:27:06 < dongs> i wonder what he would think if someone told him novena was designed in altium
2015-11-16T07:27:14 < dongs> BUT NOT OPENSAUCEEEeeee
2015-11-16T07:29:18 < jpa-> isn't that like "i have been having great time for over an hour!"
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2015-11-16T09:28:04 < jpa-> hm
2015-11-16T09:28:51 < jpa-> i have bunch of data samples, (128 bits long) that seem to have CRC16 at the end - but i do not know which of the input bits participate in the checksum nor do i know the polynomial
2015-11-16T09:29:19 < jpa-> found some crc bruteforcing tools but with the unknown input range it will take quite long to bruteforce
2015-11-16T09:59:41 < dongs> er if you dont know hwich bits are CRC'd arent you pretty much fucked
2015-11-16T10:01:24 < qyx> you could assume that only full octets are crced and that it is a single continuous block of octets
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2015-11-16T10:07:44 < jpa-> qyx: hmm yeah.. comes to about 2**(16+3+4+3) combinations so about a day worth of brute
2015-11-16T10:07:59 < jpa-> assuming i keep using this slow python crc thingy
2015-11-16T10:08:44 < jpa-> and assuming reasonably common crc values.. if it is xorred with funny values then it becomes more difficult still
2015-11-16T10:09:13 < jpa-> my other path of attack is to check which input bits affect which bits of crc.. but dunno what i should be looking at
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2015-11-16T10:23:57 < jpa-> not that i really know whether it is CRC at all
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2015-11-16T10:56:54 < jpa-> hmm, maybe i can use the linearity of crc somehow
2015-11-16T10:58:52 < jpa-> yeah, great, confirmed it is a CRC
2015-11-16T10:59:26 < jpa-> took two pairs samples where bit 115 (just a random choice) changes but other data is different
2015-11-16T10:59:41 < jpa-> xorred checksums pairwise, both xors are 0xc03d
2015-11-16T11:00:12 < jpa-> i guess that also tells me which bits are affected by bit 115, so i might be able to unroll the crc polynomial that way
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2015-11-16T11:20:59 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/Ehw/plain   shifts nicely to left mostly, so i guess the CRC XOR gates are at the points where funny things happen
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2015-11-16T12:46:07 < karlp> upgrdman: getty was probably referring to the uc davis pepper spray, just to re-spray the fires...
2015-11-16T12:46:28 < Getty> i am back ;) we could continue
2015-11-16T12:48:51 < karlp> let's not though.
2015-11-16T12:49:05 < Getty> yeah it drifted out of hand ;)
2015-11-16T12:49:17 < Getty> i am fighting with the math of my device....
2015-11-16T12:49:22 < jpa-> hmm, seems like this is standard CRC16, except a buggy implementation..
2015-11-16T12:49:34 < Getty> like all cases 100% precise beside a small low fade, there where it should 2 minutes its 9 hours
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2015-11-16T12:59:18 < mtbg> hi
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2015-11-16T13:08:39 < dongs> http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/xsylus/zano-NOT-drone-red_zpslqll5vsl.png~original
2015-11-16T13:10:21 < mtbg> their pink glasses broke apparently
2015-11-16T13:11:31 < dongs> i should ring up camtronics
2015-11-16T13:12:05 < mitrax> dongs: if you do make sure to record the call :p
2015-11-16T13:12:45 < mtbg> btw I still love you all
2015-11-16T13:12:47 < dongs> http://www.camtronicsvale.co.uk/
2015-11-16T13:13:20 < dongs> http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/11623368.Groundbreaking_robot_drone_first_aired_in_county/
2015-11-16T13:13:24 < mitrax> mtbg: ahaha, how's the head?
2015-11-16T13:13:26 < dongs> _groundbreaking_ lol
2015-11-16T13:13:43 < mtbg> fine
2015-11-16T13:13:52 < mtbg> I seemingly have strange metabolism
2015-11-16T13:15:18 < dongs> When we began work on ZANO, our goal was to make aerial photography and video capture truly accessible to everyone. This meant making ZANO small and lightweight, yet durable enough to take with you anywhere. Intelligent enough so no piloting skills were required, and most of all, pricing ZANO at a point that makes it affordable
2015-11-16T13:16:29 < Getty> so eat the cake, have the cake AND sell the cake
2015-11-16T13:16:37 < dongs> The technology has other possibilities for the Torquing Group, who have developed contacts as diverse as the US military and the CIA, where ZANO can be used as a surveillance machine.
2015-11-16T13:16:41 < dongs> lul
2015-11-16T13:16:47 < mitrax> ahahaah
2015-11-16T13:17:29 < Getty> theoretical we can do anything! ;)
2015-11-16T13:17:30 < Roklobsta> it might best be used for kamikaze style assassin missions.  As long as it's payload has a blast radius of 1km.
2015-11-16T13:17:58 < Roklobsta> and the target is firmly rooted to the ground.
2015-11-16T13:19:58 < mtbg> it won't be able to carry such payload
2015-11-16T13:19:59 < mtbg> well
2015-11-16T13:20:06 < mtbg> it's future proofed
2015-11-16T13:20:16 < mtbg> so maybe few grams of antimatter will do
2015-11-16T13:21:34 < qyx> jpa-: buggy?
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2015-11-16T13:29:52 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZciPvZ7kZGM
2015-11-16T13:30:18 < dongs> lol
2015-11-16T13:30:55 < dongs> its a dicknplace?
2015-11-16T13:31:00 < PeterM> yerp
2015-11-16T13:31:12 < PeterM> not me jsut a person i sub to on youtube
2015-11-16T13:31:12 < dongs> fgt
2015-11-16T13:31:15 < dongs> rite
2015-11-16T13:32:06 < PeterM> wouldn't be able to find shit like that in australia for $20, probably closer to 20k, even in htat condition
2015-11-16T13:37:35 < dongs> soon the zano pic32 programmer will be on sale for $20
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2015-11-16T13:41:24 < PeterM> there is a zano pic programmer? i thought you'd order em factory programmed...
2015-11-16T13:41:46 < mtbg> zano fans will buy all the equipment
2015-11-16T13:41:52 < mtbg> and continue developing zano
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2015-11-16T13:45:27 < dongs> http://www.xeltek.com.cn/en/SUPERPRO-SB02.html they bought this
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2015-11-16T14:03:03 < mitrax> a friend of mine found a source in china for some IS42S16400J-7TLI (SDRAM), they're about half the price of what mouser/farnell/digikey etc sell them, is it likely that it's a copy or not necessarily?
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2015-11-16T14:05:12 < mitrax> not sure if sdram stuff fall in the "likely to be copied" category
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2015-11-16T14:05:59 < mitrax> i'd tend to think not, since it's not a "used everywhere" generic chip but who knows
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2015-11-16T14:06:36 < av500> about $1 on taobao
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2015-11-16T14:10:46 < jpa-> qyx: well seems more like they AND the crc result with 0xFDFF.. one bit is always zero
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2015-11-16T14:18:39 < dongs> mitrax: what does it compare for 1k qty price @ digikey
2015-11-16T14:19:53 < dongs> anyway, that looks like cehap shit already
2015-11-16T14:24:22 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34832447
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2015-11-16T14:40:36 < __rob> shameful
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2015-11-16T14:54:59 < dongs> Laurenceb_: zano HQ closed down
2015-11-16T14:55:37 < dongs>  live 15 miles away from torquing group office in Pembroke dock, i have visited them twice in 2 days at about 4 pm, on both occasions the unit was empty and locked up. Post had been picked up and i was told that two staff members call in sometimes
2015-11-16T14:56:03 < Laurenceb_> hah
2015-11-16T14:56:07 < Laurenceb_> since when lol
2015-11-16T14:56:13 < dongs> since last week
2015-11-16T14:56:25 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2015-11-16T14:56:34 < dongs> reece crowser wife posted them partying at some horse racing event in australia
2015-11-16T14:56:48 < dongs> then internet detectives foudn the pic and she swiftly baleeted her facebook account
2015-11-16T14:57:30 < Laurenceb_> took the money and ran
2015-11-16T14:57:46 < dongs> shoudla done that way earlier
2015-11-16T14:57:49 < dongs> probly not much to take at this point
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2015-11-16T15:10:45 < bloated> interesting if you google Zano, there is no negative news on the first page of google results
2015-11-16T15:10:59 < bloated> "Zano Is A Sky Selfie Micro-Drone That Flies Itself | TechCrunch"
2015-11-16T15:11:52 < dongs> try googlign "zano scam" instead
2015-11-16T15:11:59 < bloated> only negative in first 2 pages of results is "Zano drones struggle to achieve lift-off - BBC News - BBC.com"
2015-11-16T15:13:20 < bloated> related search keywords are not negative either. zano price, zano buy, zano youtube
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2015-11-16T15:17:03 < dongs> must be legit then
2015-11-16T15:17:07 < dongs> ill go buy another
2015-11-16T15:26:41 < bloated> you bought one ?
2015-11-16T15:32:31 < dongs> i bought reseller 100pack
2015-11-16T15:33:34 < mitrax> dongs: the price for 100 is about half of the mouser / digikey price for 1000
2015-11-16T15:33:40 < mitrax> (my sdram thing)
2015-11-16T15:33:51 < dongs> sounds about right then
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2015-11-16T15:34:54 < mitrax> ok thanks
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2015-11-16T15:35:57 < jpa-> qyx: yeah, turned out to be standard CRC16, except XOR 0xBD81, and masked with 0xFDFF.. no idea why
2015-11-16T15:36:18 < dongs> how'd you determine that
2015-11-16T15:36:21 < dongs> reverse engineering?
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2015-11-16T15:36:31 < dongs> the XOR/mask
2015-11-16T15:36:51 < mtbg> hax
2015-11-16T15:37:26 < jpa-> using the linearity of CRC (i.e. CRC(d1 XOR d2) = CRC(d1) XOR CRC(d2)) i was able to obtain pieces of info like CRC(1<<20), CRC(1<<21) etc.
2015-11-16T15:37:44 < jpa-> then looking at those i was able to determine the polynomial.. which turned out to be totally standard
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2015-11-16T15:38:27 < jpa-> then computing forwards from CRC(1) i was able to determine which bits were part of the CRC'ed piece of data
2015-11-16T15:39:12 < jpa-> after that, CRC(packet1_data) XOR packet1_crc   gave a guess for the XOR, and verified with other packets
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2015-11-16T15:39:29 < jpa-> except that silly one bit that always stays 0, so i just stuffed the mask there even though it makes no sense
2015-11-16T15:41:29 < jpa-> turns out that most of things were pretty straighforward, but the stupid mask 0xFDFF caused bruteforce to fail
2015-11-16T15:41:49 < mitrax> jpa-: where does the data come from btw?
2015-11-16T15:42:12 < jpa-> mitrax: some work stuff that i'm supposed to reverse-engineer
2015-11-16T15:42:58 < mitrax> okay
2015-11-16T15:43:30 < jpa-> next question: how will i guess the AES128 key used for the payload? :P
2015-11-16T15:45:06 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/hkpoXIR.png
2015-11-16T15:45:32 < mitrax> Laurenceb: that's pretty much it :p
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2015-11-16T15:58:09 < Laurenceb_> lol emdrive guys got on hackaday
2015-11-16T15:58:10 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2015/11/16/ev-motor-not-powerful-enough-make-your-own/
2015-11-16T16:00:56 < mtbg> doesn't look like emdrive
2015-11-16T16:00:59 < mtbg> and may actually work
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2015-11-16T16:04:53 < Laurenceb_> yeah its built by emcrive guys who got bored of emdrive
2015-11-16T16:05:18 < qyx> jpa-: see: 128bit data CRC'd masked with unknown value -> no problem, 128bit AES encrypted data -> no problem
2015-11-16T16:06:46 < jadew> 0 bit data -> no data
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2015-11-16T16:09:59 < Laurenceb_> lol nasaspaceflight now has a dedicated emdrive section
2015-11-16T16:10:33 < jadew> I guess in a couple of years we will all have space ships
2015-11-16T16:10:50 < Laurenceb_> they will be piloted by zano
2015-11-16T16:11:31 < Laurenceb_> lol @ rationalwiki emdrive page
2015-11-16T16:12:03 < Laurenceb_> apparently you will be "harassed on the forum" if you dare to disagree
2015-11-16T16:12:09 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-11-16T16:16:43 < mtbg> shawyer's paper is just happiness and magic
2015-11-16T16:17:03 < mtbg> Fig 3.2 Specific thrust at 3km/s
2015-11-16T16:17:12 < mtbg> 3km/s relative to what?
2015-11-16T16:17:23 < mtbg> earth? center of our galaxy?
2015-11-16T16:17:35 < mtbg> or to shawyer's home
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2015-11-16T16:18:12 < mtbg> as per relativity, all inertial frames are equivalent
2015-11-16T16:18:30 < mtbg> in regards of their physics
2015-11-16T16:19:30 < mtbg> and that is v9.4 of the paper
2015-11-16T16:19:54 < Laurenceb_> I dont have time to read that shit
2015-11-16T16:20:00 < Laurenceb_> I know its going to be bonkers
2015-11-16T16:21:09 < mtbg> I wish my world were so magical as his
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2015-11-16T16:23:37 < mitrax> it reminds of the eCat scam
2015-11-16T16:25:08 < mtbg> is emdrive religion yet?
2015-11-16T16:25:24 < mtbg> it has some characteristics
2015-11-16T16:26:28 < mtbg> namely a group of supporters with biased view on this subject and holding a belief despite lack of profound evidence
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2015-11-16T16:33:02 < Laurenceb_> lol maybe it should have religious headgear
2015-11-16T16:33:22 < Laurenceb_> and an emdrive state group
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2015-11-16T16:49:31 < Laurenceb_> is there a crystal drive level calculator anywhere on the nets?
2015-11-16T16:50:37 < mtbg> crystal drive is the new emdrive
2015-11-16T16:51:00 < mtbg> using phonons in crystal instead
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2015-11-16T17:42:13 < upgrdman_> no chatz :(
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2015-11-16T17:44:47 < ReadError> upgrdman_ did you find silicone servo wire?
2015-11-16T17:45:09 < upgrdman_> not quite. i found some super flexible 26awg ribbon cable from molex.
2015-11-16T17:45:26 < upgrdman_> it's not multi colored wire, and only 26awg, but i guess i'll have to settle for it
2015-11-16T17:46:05 < bloated> what is "servo wire" ?
2015-11-16T17:46:21 < upgrdman_> 3 wires, often with silicone insulation
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2015-11-16T17:46:29 < upgrdman_> its used in the RC hobby
2015-11-16T17:47:11 < upgrdman_> ReadError, http://www.mouser.com/images/molex/lrg/F28075_50_050_55_A.JPG
2015-11-16T17:48:06 < ReadError> ahh yea, seen some similar that was clear
2015-11-16T17:48:10 < ReadError> colors would be nice tho
2015-11-16T17:48:12 < upgrdman_> bloated, i've been looking for wire like this, but with quality wire and super flexible insulation.  http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_151537_1.jpg
2015-11-16T17:48:27 < upgrdman_> ReadError, ya. cicoil also makes stuff like that, but with clear insulation
2015-11-16T17:49:13 < bloated> those rainbow ribbon cables are always shit quality I don't know why
2015-11-16T17:49:27 < upgrdman_> because china because sub $1
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2015-11-16T17:53:22 < karlp> atollic unifies the fragmented tools market by offering a fragmented set of tools products
2015-11-16T17:53:41 < karlp> who really gives a shit if atollic lite is free now if it doesn't have any of the useful features?
2015-11-16T17:53:51 < upgrdman_> never used atollic? have you? their newsletter is intriguing, but im a cheap bastard.
2015-11-16T17:54:01 < Laurenceb_> lol people still use atollic
2015-11-16T17:54:04 < upgrdman_> oh lite is free? hmm
2015-11-16T17:54:09 < rewolff>  RM0091 rev 7, page 931: "X and Y coordinates on the wafer expressed in BCD format".
2015-11-16T17:54:16 < rewolff> What would be "valid" values.
2015-11-16T17:54:40 < upgrdman_> for bcd? four bits, 0-9
2015-11-16T17:54:49 < upgrdman_> so 10-15 are not valid
2015-11-16T17:54:59 < rewolff> OK. Cancel that. Thanks.
2015-11-16T17:55:20 < rewolff> I have a chip at x 12, Y 8006 on the wafer.....
2015-11-16T17:55:24 < upgrdman_> note: i didnt read the rm. just referring to bcd in general
2015-11-16T17:55:43 < rewolff> Still a bit weird, as I don't think that wafers are THAT big.
2015-11-16T17:55:54 < rewolff> (gdb) printf "%08x\n", *(int*) 0x1ffff7ac
2015-11-16T17:55:54 < rewolff> 00128006
2015-11-16T17:56:31 < rewolff> I just quoted the relevant part of the RM... There isn't anything else, except that they have a little story that this is supposed to be unique together with the other 64 bits.
2015-11-16T17:56:57 < karlp> upgrdman_: a guy at work was using it, it's not bad,
2015-11-16T17:57:14 < karlp> and sure, the free version is probably better than eclipse out of the box experience,
2015-11-16T17:58:22 < rewolff> I'm suspecting that the top bit of the 16-bit value is a sign bit. Thus my chip was on the wafer at x=12, y=-6.
2015-11-16T17:58:57 < upgrdman_> rewolff, that seems more plausible :)
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2015-11-16T18:00:02 < rewolff> The problem is: I didn't know the negatives could exist, and thus wrote code that didnt' expect that to happen.....
2015-11-16T18:00:21 < upgrdman_> why would wafer position matter to you?
2015-11-16T18:00:32 < rewolff> its the "uniq ID".
2015-11-16T18:00:48 < rewolff> I could just use it as the 96-bit hex representation.
2015-11-16T18:00:51 < upgrdman_> sure, but treat it as a series of bits. underlying source does not matter, no?
2015-11-16T18:00:56 < rewolff> but then it is quite long.
2015-11-16T18:01:41 < rewolff> Printing the ascii part as ascii the numbers make a bit more sense, and you get to "know" your uniq ids a bit...
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2015-11-16T18:02:21 < rewolff> (I sometimes have to pick the right one out of a list....
2015-11-16T18:03:11 < karlp> rewolff: I run the 96 bits of uuid though the crcn enging to get a 48bit "MAC"
2015-11-16T18:04:18 < rewolff> But then you could get collisions.
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2015-11-16T18:17:07 < rewolff> 19M products and 48bit "random" mac will give 50% chance of collsions.
2015-11-16T18:17:32 < rewolff> Probably acceptable for you and me. :-)
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2015-11-16T18:21:15 < karlp> more acceptable than printing 96bit ids on things.
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2015-11-16T18:29:12 < upgrdman_> why the fuck can't shit programmers think in terms of self-contained modules.
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2015-11-16T18:49:08 < yan_> how does everyone measure work performed in between svc handlers and performance in general? DWT registers?
2015-11-16T18:51:00 < upgrdman_> i suppose you could be super pro and measure it with SWO or whatever. i just toggle GPIOs in each ISR, use a logic analyzer to OR them, and that's the time not spent in main().
2015-11-16T18:52:39 < jpa-> i use DWT for single functions and openocd profile-command for general stuff
2015-11-16T18:52:48 < jpa-> and SWO trace for really tricky things
2015-11-16T18:53:54 < jpa-> swo trace as in   http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/gaps_etm2.png
2015-11-16T18:54:18 < yan_> i would use a gpio pin, but i'm using 100% of my pins right now
2015-11-16T18:57:20 < yan_> jpa-: does an existing tool produce that graphic?
2015-11-16T18:59:21 < jpa-> sigrok/pulseview yeah
2015-11-16T18:59:32 < jpa-> but you need a logic analyzer + the PB3 pin
2015-11-16T19:00:12 < yan_> i have swd broken out, i've been connecting via st-link
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2015-11-16T19:01:32 < yan_> jpa-: did you design your own protocol, or is there a standard tracing format for swo?
2015-11-16T19:01:44 < jpa-> yeah, ETM/ITM trace in hardware
2015-11-16T19:03:30 < yan_> jpa-: ah neat. do you get this per-instruction, or do you instrument calls?
2015-11-16T19:03:59 < jpa-> per instruction if you have fast enough SWO (basically limited by logic analyzer speed)
2015-11-16T19:04:23 < yan_> i'm going to look more into this, if i can just instrument calls, that'd be awesome. anyway, thank you
2015-11-16T19:07:49 < karlp> yan_: you can do both
2015-11-16T19:08:09 < karlp> you can turn on instruction/exception tracing, and you can also write out explicit intstrumented calls as well.
2015-11-16T19:08:47 < yan_> karlp: cool, thank you. going to try it tonight with my saleae16+sigrok
2015-11-16T19:08:50 < karlp> and note that you need the _swo_ pin, not just swdio and swdclk
2015-11-16T19:09:19 < karlp> you could also link with seggers liba nd use their new systemview thingy
2015-11-16T19:09:31 < karlp> they say it's free now, just as long as you link against their binary blob :)
2015-11-16T19:10:37 < yan_> karlp: i have the standard swd/swo/etc connection to a jtag breakout, would i tap the swo line indepdently?
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2015-11-16T19:31:35 < karlp> depends, jpa was capturing the swo pin with a separate logic analyser, and decoding that. you can also use your normal ebugging tools to capture the data too, just depends what you like using the most.
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2015-11-16T19:33:24 < upgrdman_> how does SWO work in that case? it toggles after each instruction?
2015-11-16T19:34:26 < karlp> swo only does it on branches iirc, etm is a 1,2,4 bit bus, so it can dump faster.
2015-11-16T19:35:54 < Ecco> guys
2015-11-16T19:35:58 < Ecco> Serious question
2015-11-16T19:36:04 < Ecco> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/walmarts-10-smartphone-has-better-specs-than-the-original-iphone
2015-11-16T19:36:08 < Ecco> How is this even possible?
2015-11-16T19:36:29 < upgrdman_> its like inkjet printers
2015-11-16T19:36:35 < upgrdman_> the printer (phone) is cheap
2015-11-16T19:36:48 < upgrdman_> the ink (service) is where they get their money
2015-11-16T19:36:51 < Ecco> You mean they're losing money on the phone itself ?
2015-11-16T19:36:57 < upgrdman_> probably
2015-11-16T19:37:03 < Ecco> That quite doesn't add up though
2015-11-16T19:37:09 < Ecco> LG/Walmart is selling the phone
2015-11-16T19:37:12 < Ecco> google is selling the service
2015-11-16T19:38:09 < upgrdman_> might be some sort of agreement
2015-11-16T19:38:37 < Ecco> Would you guys think it would be possible to build such a thing for $10?
2015-11-16T19:38:52 < upgrdman_> tho at $10, i kinda want to rip one apart and see if the lcd and lipo are useable for random shit
2015-11-16T19:39:01 < upgrdman_> not likely
2015-11-16T19:39:20 < upgrdman_> prolly ~$30 BOM cost, including packaging
2015-11-16T19:39:23 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-16T19:39:30 < Ecco> yeah, that's what I'd thought
2015-11-16T19:39:39 < Ecco> I really wonder how they're pulling this
2015-11-16T19:39:58 < upgrdman_> im guessing some sort of profit sharing agreement
2015-11-16T19:40:01 < Lux> iirc there are china phones with a bom<10$ but not running android
2015-11-16T19:40:05 < upgrdman_> might be a loss leader, but kind of doubt it
2015-11-16T19:40:10 < Lux> maybe it was even 5$
2015-11-16T19:41:15 < Ecco> Lux: remember what kind of hardware it had?
2015-11-16T19:41:27 < Ecco> I mean w/ a $5 BoM I really wonder what you can afford
2015-11-16T19:41:32 < Ecco> So yeah, BTW
2015-11-16T19:42:19 < Ecco> What would be the cost of a ARM-A(v7) + 128MB+ SDRAM + 128MB+ ROM?
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2015-11-16T19:42:30 < Ecco> (I mean, minimal cost, today)
2015-11-16T19:42:59 < upgrdman_> maybe $2-3 if you buy is super bulk direct from china
2015-11-16T19:43:22 < upgrdman_> not name brand, etc.
2015-11-16T19:43:54 < Ecco> So then, what's the key advantage of STM32s then
2015-11-16T19:44:16 < upgrdman_> you can buy one off, you can documentation that is mostly readable, etc.
2015-11-16T19:44:24 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-16T19:44:27 < upgrdman_> stm32 is cheap if you buy in super bulk too
2015-11-16T19:44:45 < Ecco> well, significantly cheaper than $2?
2015-11-16T19:44:59 < upgrdman_> mouser and digikey are like the convenience stores of electronics. you don't usually shop there when buying in bulk.
2015-11-16T19:45:00 < Lux> it was 12$: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=3107
2015-11-16T19:45:01 < Ecco> (for, say, an average STM32F4)
2015-11-16T19:45:09 < upgrdman_> probably
2015-11-16T19:45:19 < Lux> i think that guy tried to reverse engineer the libs etc
2015-11-16T19:45:34 < Ecco> ok the hardware is terrible though
2015-11-16T19:45:39 < Ecco> look at that screen
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2015-11-16T20:48:23 < rewolff1> Ecco, the service providers WILL pay out a "kickback fee" if you sell a phone plus contract. That makes $600 phones sell for (close to) $0 with the contract. I'm guessing the phone you linked is of the $80 persuasion, so the kickback fee will be in the $70-$80 range. (you don't want to "sell" stuff for free. You get way too many freeloaders then).
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2015-11-16T21:31:37 < karlp> rewolff1: tracphones are explicitly non-contract though,
2015-11-16T21:31:49 < karlp> they're for people with incredibly bad credit, all prepaid
2015-11-16T21:32:01 < Ecco> indeed
2015-11-16T21:32:22 < rewolff1> Hmm. I saw "prepaid".... Even the prepaid guys will give a kickback fee if you peddle a phone with YOUR SIM in it to a consumer.
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2015-11-16T21:32:35 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-11-16T21:32:39 < rewolff1> But yeah, the kickback is less than with a real contract.
2015-11-16T21:32:57 < Ecco> How could I get a good estimate at the BOM price?
2015-11-16T21:33:01 < Ecco> (of this phone)
2015-11-16T21:33:35 < ReadError> karlp, or drugdealers
2015-11-16T21:33:40 < karlp> ecco: have a career in purhcasing
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2015-11-16T21:58:21 < freakuency> Anyone here that has any experience with any PHY IC for USB, that'd recommend any? Preferable not to expensive.
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2015-11-16T22:04:22 < englishman> The concept gained considerable press attention in 2015, after someone at NASA lab Eagleworks, which specialises in investigating almost-certainly-wrong Hail-Mary ideas on a "what if" basis, tried out the idea and the press went nuts with the notion that this constituted NASA endorsing it.
2015-11-16T22:04:23 < englishman> lol Laurenceb__
2015-11-16T22:04:26 < englishman> this is good stuff
2015-11-16T22:04:57 < englishman> Ecco: buy one, take it apart
2015-11-16T22:05:16 < englishman> or wait for ifixit or something to do the same
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2015-11-16T22:10:36 < MightyPork> hi. anyone got experience disassembling a binary? (not .axf but plan .bin)
2015-11-16T22:10:55 < MightyPork> I tried arm-none-eabi-objdump but cant seem to get the flags right
2015-11-16T22:12:17 < MightyPork> $ arm-none-eabi-objdump -b binary -marm -Mthumb2 --adjust-vma=0x8000000 -D F303.bin
2015-11-16T22:12:28 < MightyPork> it's for stm32f303
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2015-11-16T23:15:44 < Ecco> MightyPork: I don't think .bin files have a notion of section
2015-11-16T23:15:49 < Ecco> so it should be -d and not -D
2015-11-16T23:17:31 < Ecco> no sorry
2015-11-16T23:19:20 < Ecco> arm-none-eabi-objdump -D --target binary -Mforce-thumb -marm app.bin
2015-11-16T23:19:28 < Ecco> this seems to be working
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2015-11-16T23:23:14 < karlp> Ecco: yup, that's it.
2015-11-16T23:23:36 < karlp> --adjust-vma is optional
2015-11-16T23:24:22 < karlp> I wonder why there's armv2,3,4,5 but no 6 or 6 options in my objdump?
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2015-11-16T23:38:41 < MightyPork> hm I got something out of it, but without the sections and symbols it's really unreadable, probably not worth the trouble ...
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2015-11-16T23:39:21 < MightyPork> btw, malloc() causing a hard fault is probably not a common thing?
2015-11-16T23:39:38 < upgrdman_> guessing you're missing some lib
2015-11-16T23:39:53 < MightyPork> It works ~ 100 times, then it dies
2015-11-16T23:39:53 < upgrdman_> and a stub was used instead of true malloc()
2015-11-16T23:39:58 < upgrdman_> oh ok
2015-11-16T23:40:06 < upgrdman_> running out of memory?
2015-11-16T23:40:09 < MightyPork> I free it ofc, so really dunno
2015-11-16T23:40:39 < upgrdman_> arm docs detail possible causes of hardfault and how to check for them
2015-11-16T23:40:51 < upgrdman_> i once had that problem when my linked script was set wrong for memory size
2015-11-16T23:40:58 < MightyPork> here if you see anything obviously wrong about the code https://gist.github.com/MightyPork/b39eb8094cb1d3ac3682
2015-11-16T23:41:28 < MightyPork> hmm. you mean malloc "allocating" bad area?
2015-11-16T23:41:50 < upgrdman_> well i wasn't using malloc
2015-11-16T23:41:52 < MightyPork> but if I free... only if free didn't work right
2015-11-16T23:42:09 < upgrdman_> but the first PUSH ending up pushing to memory that did not exist :)
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2015-11-16T23:42:48 < upgrdman_> try debugging and looking at what memory address malloc() gives you
2015-11-16T23:42:58 < upgrdman_> then check to see if that address is sane
2015-11-16T23:43:45 < MightyPork> well the problem is when I traced it from the hard fault, it didn't really take me to the malloc
2015-11-16T23:43:58 < MightyPork> but if the malloc is not used, the error doesn't occur
2015-11-16T23:44:08 < MightyPork> i.e. static large-ass array
2015-11-16T23:45:31 < MightyPork> not 100% sure how to find the cause
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2015-11-16T23:48:32 < Laurenceb_> so torquing group is bust?
2015-11-16T23:48:49 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTm5VT3FmZjFTc00/view?usp=docslist_api
2015-11-16T23:49:05 < kakimir> it's cradlr update
2015-11-16T23:49:10 < kakimir> e*
2015-11-16T23:49:26 < Laurenceb_> wtf is that
2015-11-16T23:50:48 < kakimir> work of fucking art
2015-11-16T23:51:24 < kakimir> gay cradle
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2015-11-17T00:00:39 < Laurenceb_> http://www.aeromontreal.ca/content/uploads/files/10022012/Keeping.pdf
2015-11-17T00:07:00 < upgrdman_> kakimir, what are you making? a gas chamber for midgets?
2015-11-17T00:07:13 < Laurenceb_> lul
2015-11-17T00:12:55 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: sweet
2015-11-17T00:14:01 < kakimir> you use such somewhere?
2015-11-17T00:14:25 < Laurenceb_> not composite, I was just looking for the basic design equations and that seemed interesting
2015-11-17T00:14:49 < Laurenceb_> this looks useful for designing it, but a lot to read
2015-11-17T00:14:51 < Laurenceb_> https://web.archive.org/web/20090321021950/http://femci.gsfc.nasa.gov/Isogrid/NASA-CR-124075_Isogrid_Design.pdf
2015-11-17T00:15:04 < Steffanx> serious lightweighting.. 100% lightweight. BUY NOW
2015-11-17T00:15:20 < kakimir> iso in it says it's like standard grid?
2015-11-17T00:15:53 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-11-17T00:16:18 < kakimir> no it's trademark
2015-11-17T00:16:20 < Laurenceb_> iso as in its mandated by CE but you have to buy the standard from ISO to see what the requirements actually are
2015-11-17T00:17:42 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg we heard you liek capitalism, so we added government rules to raise the barrier to entry and then outsources the laws to a private enterprise
2015-11-17T00:17:58 < Laurenceb_> *outsourced
2015-11-17T00:20:06 < kakimir> you can only imagine the price
2015-11-17T00:21:01 < Roklobsta> kakimir: those cicil servants need the opportunity to drive a Mercesdes too!
2015-11-17T00:21:04 < Roklobsta> civil
2015-11-17T00:22:30 < upgrdman_> i think my company just paid a bit under $300 for some IEC standard. but i think it was one of the smaller ones.
2015-11-17T00:23:53 < kakimir> if you do only orders can you avoid all the rules?
2015-11-17T00:23:58 < kakimir> by orders
2015-11-17T00:24:03 < kakimir> stuff
2015-11-17T00:24:39 < upgrdman_> ?
2015-11-17T00:24:59 < kakimir> so if customer orders from you stuff
2015-11-17T00:25:21 < kakimir> do hundred of this device
2015-11-17T00:25:26 < upgrdman_> we can't sell them stuff without proper compliance
2015-11-17T00:25:34 < kakimir> ok
2015-11-17T00:25:35 < upgrdman_> UL, IEC
2015-11-17T00:25:45 < kakimir> so even small batches need that?
2015-11-17T00:25:51 < kakimir> CE?
2015-11-17T00:25:55 < upgrdman_> size has nothing to do with it
2015-11-17T00:26:15 < upgrdman_> well, im in the medical industry.
2015-11-17T00:26:17 < upgrdman_> so
2015-11-17T00:26:31 < upgrdman_> its more like "no one will buy from us" without UL and IEC
2015-11-17T00:27:12 < upgrdman_> i suppose if we wanted to market to some free-for-all third world country, they might not care
2015-11-17T00:27:27 < upgrdman_> but then they'd be too poor to pay :)
2015-11-17T00:33:27 < kakimir> so how small firms do stuff that comes in small quantity
2015-11-17T00:33:53 < kakimir> and for one user
2015-11-17T00:34:05 < upgrdman_> consumer level stuff is much easier to do
2015-11-17T00:34:39 < upgrdman_> for medical... ya, i don't think you can turn a profit if you sell less than $1M a year.
2015-11-17T00:35:06 < upgrdman_> even if that 50% profit
2015-11-17T00:35:18 < Sync> depends on your market
2015-11-17T00:35:49 < Sync> if you have a real niche, you can probably survive on less
2015-11-17T00:36:31 < kakimir> who is going to ask all cert when there is one provider and one customer
2015-11-17T00:36:52 < upgrdman_> with $500k in profit a year, you need to pay all the bills. engineering, management, regulatory affairs, rent, utilities, etc.
2015-11-17T00:37:17 < kakimir> firm's dude says that we don't need this compience shit it's time and money
2015-11-17T00:37:25 < kakimir> custmer says: ?
2015-11-17T00:37:34 < upgrdman_> kakimir, if its consumer stuff, then you might get away with it
2015-11-17T00:38:51 < kakimir> why they would for any reason want compliance like CE?
2015-11-17T00:39:02 < kakimir> they wouldn't
2015-11-17T00:39:34 < upgrdman_> because a lot of engineers think they are better than they really are
2015-11-17T00:39:48 < upgrdman_> so they design something with critial flaws that are not blinding obvious
2015-11-17T00:40:38 < upgrdman_> so without a organization going through a fuck ton of sanity checks, you wont have much of a market
2015-11-17T00:40:45 < upgrdman_> unless your market is ebay customers
2015-11-17T00:40:47 < Sync> haha
2015-11-17T00:40:52 < Sync> or you yolo CE testing
2015-11-17T00:40:57 < upgrdman_> :) ya
2015-11-17T00:41:01 < upgrdman_> "trust me bro"
2015-11-17T00:42:01 < kakimir> why you cant run tests without compliance
2015-11-17T00:42:20 < upgrdman_> you can, but no one in their right mind should trust you
2015-11-17T00:42:36 < kakimir> sure thing
2015-11-17T00:42:36 < upgrdman_> the whole point is that you aren't going to catch the types of errors you regularly make
2015-11-17T00:42:58 < Sync> well, that's basically how it works
2015-11-17T00:43:04 < upgrdman_> anyway, fuck it, this feels like a conversation with beaky. do whatever you want kakimir.
2015-11-17T00:43:11 < Sync> if you want to yolo ce testing, you do it
2015-11-17T00:43:22 < kakimir> "I have done the tests. I swear."
2015-11-17T00:43:34 < Sync> you write down "yeah, we have reasonable evidence to to assume we comply"
2015-11-17T00:43:38 < Sync> and pfft
2015-11-17T00:44:04 < kakimir> actually wants the crap out immiditelly when it shows signs of functioning
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2015-11-17T01:24:00 < kakimir> movie recom.?
2015-11-17T01:25:14 < upgrdman_> brokeback mountain
2015-11-17T01:25:32 < karlp> bleh, esp8266 "esptool" backed up firmware, but failed towrite it back.
2015-11-17T01:25:55 < karlp> writing nodemcu dies, writing the "backup" back dies too. (writes ok, alledgely, but now it's in a boot loop)
2015-11-17T01:28:59 < Sync> gg
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2015-11-17T01:33:30 < karlp> yar, these docs, they are fantastique
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2015-11-17T01:52:40 < mitrax> in an UART interrupt handler, say i want to handle RXNE, should i check both the interrupt flag register and interrupt enabled register? stm32cube does that but it seems redundant to make sure the interrupt was enabled
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2015-11-17T01:58:08 < kakimir> my throat feels and stinks like death
2015-11-17T01:58:53 < kakimir> fyi
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2015-11-17T01:59:26 < mitrax> kakimir: that's worrying :(
2015-11-17T01:59:42 < mitrax> kakimir: especially after what you asked yesterday
2015-11-17T02:00:07 < mitrax> i.e "<kakimir> if you are gay, do you know it?"
2015-11-17T02:00:18 < mitrax> what have you been doing with that throat?
2015-11-17T02:01:05 < kakimir> sm0king
2015-11-17T02:01:26 < kakimir> breathing dust and fumes
2015-11-17T02:01:35 < mitrax> not smart
2015-11-17T02:01:35 < kakimir> + mole
2015-11-17T02:01:43 < kakimir> + sick
2015-11-17T02:01:47 < mitrax> you should put a mask on
2015-11-17T02:01:48 < kakimir> + cancer
2015-11-17T02:02:07 < mitrax> :/
2015-11-17T02:02:16 < kakimir> propably
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2015-11-17T02:04:45 < mitrax> if it stinks you might have tonsillolith
2015-11-17T02:05:18 < kakimir> + have not brushed my teeth
2015-11-17T02:05:50 < mitrax> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonsillolith
2015-11-17T02:06:21 < kakimir> those fuckers.. I don't have
2015-11-17T02:07:41 < BlackFox> Is there any way to override a serial number on a STM32F4
2015-11-17T02:07:52 < BlackFox> Make the registers read out something different
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2015-11-17T02:18:20 < kakimir> BlackFox: you have problem with clone device?
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2015-11-17T02:32:30 < BlackFox> kakimir, yes, I've got four processors which report same serial number after boot, but different some time later :D
2015-11-17T02:33:41 < kakimir> pointer being replaced?
2015-11-17T02:34:58 < Laurenceb_> maybe an equine gaydar
2015-11-17T02:35:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dogsonacid.com/threads/attn-uk-headz-dont-call-horses-gay.347528/
2015-11-17T02:35:48 < BlackFox> kakimir, the offset of register is same, but I was thinking maybe you could somehow remap that specific region to some other place in memory
2015-11-17T02:38:53 < kakimir> so sn is read only?
2015-11-17T02:39:23 < BlackFox> It's supposed to be
2015-11-17T02:39:29 < BlackFox> It's supposed to be hard-wired, even
2015-11-17T02:39:31 < kakimir> there is no another write register to fiddle with sn?
2015-11-17T02:40:23 < BlackFox> It's supposed to be hard-wired during the manufacturing, it (allegedly and it seems true) includes info on the wafer where crystal was made, etc
2015-11-17T02:40:40 < BlackFox> But I suppose it's some sort of a knockoff CPU, and they just switch it up somehow at some point
2015-11-17T02:40:42 < kakimir> is't it a fuse
2015-11-17T02:40:47 < kakimir> or laser burned?
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2015-11-17T02:42:16 < BlackFox> I don't know, but I would imagine some of it is laid out on the mask itself when making the wafer, and the rest is just made electronically
2015-11-17T02:42:42 < BlackFox> like writing to ROM chips, burning out connections with high current so register ends up reading some specific value
2015-11-17T02:43:26 < kakimir> maybe there is some way to fiddle with memmory controller?
2015-11-17T02:44:44 < kakimir> shouldn't there be some systematic method to analyze what happens?
2015-11-17T02:44:46 < BlackFox> I just gave each of those processors a custom bootloader which gives out a unique number, instead of reading it from the register of the CPU itself
2015-11-17T02:45:07 < BlackFox> so the inventory system (which talks to bootloader to get the S/N) can read out different numbers
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2015-11-17T05:31:15 < Rob235> anyone have an example of setting up a timer and/or dma using registers?
2015-11-17T05:31:37 < upgrdman> timer to do what
2015-11-17T05:31:42 < upgrdman> just trigger an ISR
2015-11-17T05:31:42 < upgrdman> ?
2015-11-17T05:31:55 < Rob235> doing pwm over dma
2015-11-17T05:32:22 < upgrdman> i have some f0 code, but it does pwm with interrupts, not dma
2015-11-17T05:32:53 < Rob235> sets up the timer with registers and not the periph library?
2015-11-17T05:33:38 < upgrdman> yes
2015-11-17T05:33:43 < upgrdman> here: https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_timers.c
2015-11-17T05:33:46 < Rob235> sounds like a good start, thanks
2015-11-17T05:34:15 < Rob235> cant get dma to work so i figured id start over using registers and see if I can get it working
2015-11-17T05:34:17 < upgrdman> sure
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2015-11-17T06:12:08 < upgrdman> looks super ghetto
2015-11-17T06:12:15 < upgrdman> was that written in java?
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2015-11-17T06:50:06 < Rob235> upgrdman: on line 114 you have this: // main output enable is only needed for advanced control timers ... what are advanced control timers? I've seen those register changes before but not sure what it's for
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2015-11-17T06:51:03 < upgrdman> it's stm's name
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2015-11-17T06:51:20 < upgrdman> the timers that can do stuff like 3 phase motor pwm
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2015-11-17T06:51:31 < upgrdman> the f0 i fuck with only has one "advanced control" timer
2015-11-17T06:51:55 < upgrdman> the datasheet and refman have charts detailing the timers
2015-11-17T06:52:07 < Rob235> gotcha, thanks
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2015-11-17T07:00:29 < DanteA> What the fuck
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2015-11-17T07:03:26 < upgrdman> in the first example here, couldn't they have fixed it by not using a global, and making a int t inside the function?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reentrancy_(computing)
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2015-11-17T08:33:46 < Rob235> so I decided to use a different timer and start from scratch and not sure what I did differently but dma is working :)
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2015-11-17T08:38:44 < Rob235> only thing is after the dma transfer is complete and the timer is turned off the signal stays high.  how do I make it low?
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2015-11-17T09:19:55 < ReadError> https://www.tindie.com/products/Pieco/paste-press/
2015-11-17T09:19:59 < ReadError> y/n/m?
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2015-11-17T11:55:59 < Ecco> Guys, I have a question regarding ARM-A cores
2015-11-17T11:56:27 < karlp> haven't you learnt to jsut ask shit yet?
2015-11-17T11:56:34 < Ecco> For some reason, it seems very easy to purchase ARM-M based devices, there are tons of them on Mouser/Digikey/Farnell, and manufacturers are well known
2015-11-17T11:56:35 < karlp> asking to ask is lameO
2015-11-17T11:56:46 < Ecco> (I was just giving some context)
2015-11-17T11:56:59 < karlp> well type faster then :)
2015-11-17T11:57:05 < Ecco> But for some reason, I cannot find an easy way to get my hands on ARM-A cores
2015-11-17T11:57:15 < Ecco> with datasheet, and from "known" manufacturers
2015-11-17T11:57:43 < Ecco> Why is that? Am I looking at the wrong place?
2015-11-17T11:58:36 < zyp> there's several on digikey
2015-11-17T11:58:42 < zyp> A5 at least
2015-11-17T11:58:46 < Ecco> The only thing I've found so far ar Ti AM335x, but they are *awfully* expensive
2015-11-17T11:58:57 < Ecco> (like ~$20 per unit)
2015-11-17T11:59:08 < karlp> that's not awfully expensive, just more than you wanted to pay
2015-11-17T11:59:22 < Ecco> Well, right
2015-11-17T11:59:38 < Ecco> But that seems too expensive as compared to what I can find in the consumer market
2015-11-17T11:59:49 < Ecco> e.g. you can get $30 phones with 1.5 GHz cores in them
2015-11-17T11:59:55 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microcontrollers/2556109?k=atsama5
2015-11-17T11:59:56 < Ecco> (that's the retailer price)
2015-11-17T12:00:27 < karlp> yes. reusing consumer electronics is far cheaper if you can.
2015-11-17T12:00:34 < karlp> their purchasing departments are better than yours
2015-11-17T12:00:38 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-17T12:00:44 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-17T12:00:57 < zyp> also http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?FV=ffec9b09
2015-11-17T12:00:58 < Ecco> but thing is, very often they're using components that I can't even find
2015-11-17T12:01:04 < Ecco> (on digikey/farnell/etc…)
2015-11-17T12:01:23 < karlp> 429 cortex a on digikey on my search here
2015-11-17T12:01:25 < Ecco> See, for example, the cores you linked to are 500 MHz at most
2015-11-17T12:01:53 < karlp> if you're a phone vendor, you call up the chip vendor and ask for their help, and you pay $$$$ for that privilege
2015-11-17T12:02:04 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-17T12:02:10 < karlp> and you can get MTK/Allwhiner/Rokkchips et al
2015-11-17T12:02:30 < karlp> but you don't get TI or Freescale's documentation and reference designs that way
2015-11-17T12:02:38 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-17T12:02:55 < karlp> unless you're making something realllllly small, buying consumer electronics and putting it in a box is _cheaper_
2015-11-17T12:03:16 < karlp> you cannot compete with things like phones. they make _millions_ of them.
2015-11-17T12:03:25 < Ecco> I understand
2015-11-17T12:05:04 < karlp> heh, digikey has sama5 in microcontrollers, (with vybrid) but all the ti/freescale parts are microprocessors
2015-11-17T12:06:08 < zyp> karlp, always hard to draw a line somewhere :)
2015-11-17T12:11:31 < karlp> Ecco: you can get singles on aliexpress too of course: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Rockchip-RK3188-BGA-main-chip-CPU-Tablet-PC-1PCS/32481190290.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.37.YEBsxx&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_9
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2015-11-17T12:13:08 < Ecco> Oh nice
2015-11-17T12:13:27 < karlp> or this sort of thing: http://world.taobao.com/item/520907305718.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.rB1zUe#detail
2015-11-17T12:13:46 < karlp> but, then you're down the rabbithole of finding documentation and making it work.
2015-11-17T12:13:53 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-17T12:13:54 < karlp> where do you want to spend your money? :)
2015-11-17T12:14:01 < Ecco> I understand
2015-11-17T12:14:15 < karlp> the only thing we can all agree on is fuck renesas ;)
2015-11-17T12:14:28 < Ecco> why?
2015-11-17T12:21:48 < zyp> heh, reading prices in karlp's blog posts is always super confusing
2015-11-17T12:21:57 < karlp> too many kronas!
2015-11-17T12:22:23 < zyp> I didn't realize the difference until I thought 4000 NOK would be super expensive for a wifi AP
2015-11-17T12:22:45 < karlp> ahh, some of those posts went live
2015-11-17T12:23:07 < zyp> it's in my RSS at least :)
2015-11-17T12:24:06 < karlp> hrm, what i didn'tmention there is that zhone issues takedowns to people describing things like that apparently.
2015-11-17T12:24:20 < karlp> I entered all the details into the openwrt wiki, and it wsa removed again.
2015-11-17T12:24:38 < zyp> haha
2015-11-17T12:24:39 < karlp> wiki maintainer isn't super interested in going to war, which I thought was a bit chicken.
2015-11-17T12:25:19 < karlp> they're really uncommon devices anyway, and I no longer have it, so I'm not doing any active work on it.
2015-11-17T12:25:26 < karlp> seemed like such a waste of hardware though.
2015-11-17T12:25:50 < karlp> the fibre terminator box has two usb ports on it too, and those are totally unused as well.
2015-11-17T12:26:53 < zyp> say, you have to pay rent for it, but you still couldn't use anything else?
2015-11-17T12:28:46 < zyp> over here, I think modem is usually included nowadays
2015-11-17T12:29:06 < zyp> I remember some providers used to charge extra for rental, but then you had the option to supply your own
2015-11-17T12:29:16 < zyp> actually, when I had DSL ages ago, I did just that
2015-11-17T12:29:26 < zyp> I just picked up a cheap ADSL modem online
2015-11-17T12:29:54 < karlp> no, I only had to pay rent if I kept it.
2015-11-17T12:30:06 < karlp> I returned it, and now use my own
2015-11-17T12:30:08 < zyp> oh
2015-11-17T12:30:34 < zyp> I've never been a fan of the idea of the ISP providing a full router either
2015-11-17T12:30:48 < zyp> the DSL modem I bought was a plain dumb modem
2015-11-17T12:30:58 < zyp> and now I have a plain dumb DOCSIS modem
2015-11-17T12:31:04 < karlp> well, less boxes is better?
2015-11-17T12:31:37 < karlp> I'm on fibre now, so there's a fibre terminator box, which unfortuntely the tv needs to be connected to via it's _own_ ethernet cable, and then whatever wiif router you want
2015-11-17T12:31:56 < karlp> vodafone just rented you a box that also happened to be a dsl modem so they had just one box for everyone
2015-11-17T12:32:11 < zyp> huawei?
2015-11-17T12:32:21 < zyp> or what do they use for fiber termination?
2015-11-17T12:32:29 < zyp> over here they use huawei gear
2015-11-17T12:32:35 < karlp> no idea, they're bolted to the wall and unlabelled.
2015-11-17T12:32:41 < zyp> with tv on it's own ethernet segment
2015-11-17T12:33:01 < karlp> at the old house we got a newer version installed, it was some other company I'd never heard of before actually
2015-11-17T12:33:02 < zyp> not that anybody cares much about tv anymore
2015-11-17T12:33:06 < karlp> this house has an earlier gen version
2015-11-17T12:33:14 < karlp> we watch tv a fair bit actually,
2015-11-17T12:33:29 < karlp> it's all play on demand/pause/rewind stuff
2015-11-17T12:33:51 < zyp> and I don't really agree with your less boxes thing, I'm not a fan of monolithic do-it-alls
2015-11-17T12:34:52 < karlp> separate is only better if they work better.
2015-11-17T12:35:12 < karlp> most of the time it seems to be "let's have two shitty piece of junk consumer shits instead of one!"
2015-11-17T12:35:30 < karlp> lets' have them both try and be dhcp servers and nat twice and need more power bricks
2015-11-17T12:36:01 < karlp> I don't see dsl as being that special that you need a separate box for it :)
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2015-11-17T12:37:34 < zyp> I like my router being independent of whatever kind of connection I've got into the house
2015-11-17T12:38:10 < zyp> ethernet is the common denominator, so my network starts at the ethernet connector in the ISP-provided modem
2015-11-17T12:38:52 < zyp> it works with my current DOCSIS connection, and it will work with whatever I'll have after I move
2015-11-17T12:39:10 < karlp> yeah, fair enough, tha'ts really what I've got too.
2015-11-17T12:39:17 < Mr_Sheesh> wait, you don't use ARCnet?
2015-11-17T12:39:30 < karlp> only thing that irks me is if I have to pay for the privelege of having that isp provided modem.
2015-11-17T12:39:39 < karlp> _on top_ of the monthly fee.
2015-11-17T12:39:50 < zyp> well, that's silly
2015-11-17T12:40:02 < karlp> if I'm going to be paying to rent your device, it's nice if it saves me from having to own my own wifi gear too
2015-11-17T12:40:05 < karlp> well of course it's silly
2015-11-17T12:40:09 < karlp> but telcos tend to be silly
2015-11-17T12:40:22 < karlp> almost as silly as politicians.
2015-11-17T12:40:29 < zyp> oh, and I like keeping my routing separate from my wifi too :p
2015-11-17T12:40:49 < karlp> we had a bank sell off it's share in a telco here, via lots of presales to preferred clients and shady dealing
2015-11-17T12:41:06 < karlp> silly politician stood up ranting that we should all boycott the telco for their behaviour
2015-11-17T12:41:10 < zyp> which means I won't have to replace my router when I at some point figure I want AC wireless
2015-11-17T12:41:35 < karlp> yeah, getting free wifi upgrades by returning your isp provided modem is the gain of getting it all in one from the isp.
2015-11-17T12:41:42 < zyp> :p
2015-11-17T12:41:55 < karlp> zyp:  you also have a rack in your basement, you're "special" :)
2015-11-17T12:42:43 < zyp> it's not part of the core network :)
2015-11-17T12:46:21 < jpa-> zyp has a basement?
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2015-11-17T13:02:27 < TheSeven> hm, what could cause writing to internal flash (0x0800f000) to fail (hard fault) on stm32f072, but not on stm32f030 with the very same code?
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2015-11-17T13:03:00 < TheSeven> write protection in the option bytes seems to be disabled (for all sectors)
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2015-11-17T13:13:04 < Sync> karlp: germany just overturned that isps can lock forcefully provide you with their modem
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2015-11-17T14:18:39 < __rob2> uhh, never setup and spi slave with stm32 before. does the actual clock parameters matter?
2015-11-17T14:18:48 < __rob2> as the data is clocked by the spi master
2015-11-17T14:19:08 < __rob2> apart from the phase and polarity
2015-11-17T14:19:14 < __rob2> but the prescaler
2015-11-17T14:19:25 < jpa-> should work at any clock lower than the maximum supported by slave
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2015-11-17T15:24:46 < TheSeven> so... what can I do to diagnose why flash writing on f072 fails?
2015-11-17T15:35:08 < jubatus> Who's the patron saint of microcontrollers ?
2015-11-17T15:36:51 < dongs> sup zano
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2015-11-17T15:52:34 < dongs> hmm did microsoft drop vstudio+msdn price
2015-11-17T15:52:36 < dongs> its only 1200 now
2015-11-17T15:52:43 < dongs> i remember paying a lot more than that
2015-11-17T15:55:14 < englishman> To date this is my fourth ks campaign that stole my money. I'm calling my bank and I'm gonna try to get my money back and delete my ks account once and for all. There are too many scams here and KS DOES NOT CARE. I can't believe I've lost so much money. Hopefully others will take notice and KS will be out of money and go out of business in a couple of years.
2015-11-17T15:56:01 < dongs> but, i've got these rocks i can sell you
2015-11-17T15:56:04 < dongs> they're super shiny
2015-11-17T15:56:08 < dongs> adn they're almost READY
2015-11-17T15:56:11 < dongs> look at the video
2015-11-17T15:56:13 < dongs> so shinyt!!
2015-11-17T15:56:32 < englishman> this kickscam is totally not a scam
2015-11-17T15:58:25 < dongs> I'll take htem to CES
2015-11-17T15:58:48 < dongs> http://www.inc.com/ilya-pozin/what-it-costs-to-exhibit-at-ces.html -> Most importantly, make absolutely certain your product is up to snuff. CES is not the setting for half-baked ideas.
2015-11-17T15:59:00 < englishman> and yet
2015-11-17T15:59:02 < englishman> BEST OF CES
2015-11-17T15:59:03 < dongs> so apparently even a smallish booth will run around $100k
2015-11-17T15:59:05 < dongs> at CES
2015-11-17T15:59:14 < dongs> at least accodigng to that blogue
2015-11-17T15:59:23 < englishman> thats only 250 zanos
2015-11-17T15:59:25 < dongs> i spent about 30 seconds trying to find the price on real CES site and there was nothing of value
2015-11-17T15:59:48 < englishman> found some of your forum screencaps on ripffreport lol
2015-11-17T16:00:16 < dongs> ya
2015-11-17T16:00:23 < dongs> that guy came out from sleeping again
2015-11-17T16:00:28 < dongs> and started emailing me lately
2015-11-17T16:00:31 < dongs> with "i told you so"
2015-11-17T16:00:40 < dongs> i was li,ek, you dont need to tell me
2015-11-17T16:03:48 < kakimir> anyone recommend tablet/laptop pc with rotating display?
2015-11-17T16:04:10 < dongs> you mean the type that turn around and flip?
2015-11-17T16:04:21 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-17T16:04:36 < kakimir> I need fullhd
2015-11-17T16:04:44 < dongs> does it have to flip / pivot in center, or can it flip across the axis?
2015-11-17T16:04:54 < kakimir> center
2015-11-17T16:04:59 < dongs> lenovo yoga does flip across axis, i cant remember off hand the kind that twists to flip
2015-11-17T16:05:15 < dongs> last one that did that was tecra m400
2015-11-17T16:05:18 < dongs> in like 2004
2015-11-17T16:05:37 < kakimir> can you work on that?
2015-11-17T16:05:45 < kakimir> or just toy
2015-11-17T16:05:48 < dongs> http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/gesamt3_17.jpg
2015-11-17T16:05:49 < dongs> like this?
2015-11-17T16:05:53 < dongs> define "work"
2015-11-17T16:06:15 < Laurenceb> lol so torquing wasted half their money on CES?
2015-11-17T16:06:24 < Laurenceb> and torquing is bankrupt?
2015-11-17T16:06:28 < dongs> duno about half but at least 100k
2015-11-17T16:06:32 < dongs> based on that blog
2015-11-17T16:06:46 < Ecco> Yay, I just got my protoboards from DangerousPrototypes (dirtypcb.com)
2015-11-17T16:06:53 < Laurenceb> they must have gone through all their funding
2015-11-17T16:06:54 < dongs> depending how many vegas hookers reece bought
2015-11-17T16:06:58 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-11-17T16:07:38 < dongs> Ecco: pix of nasty silk plz
2015-11-17T16:07:45 < Laurenceb> well company I work for managed to burn UKP 38M developing http://www.monicahealthcare.com/products/labour-and-delivery/monica-an24-with-if24
2015-11-17T16:07:46 < dongs> kakimir: is this the type youre afteR?
2015-11-17T16:07:56 < Ecco> dongs: How did you know?
2015-11-17T16:07:59 < Laurenceb> so its easy to burn 2.3 or whatever it was
2015-11-17T16:08:07 < Ecco> That's exactly what I was about to say: the silk is pretty bad
2015-11-17T16:08:13 < Ecco> Not that it's very important, but still
2015-11-17T16:08:37 < dongs> Laurenceb: how did they "burn", is the project done? or does it suck
2015-11-17T16:08:48 < Laurenceb> project works and its epic
2015-11-17T16:09:01 < dongs> so theres no problme
2015-11-17T16:09:03 < Laurenceb> they turn a profit now and have licensed it to Phillips
2015-11-17T16:09:05 < Laurenceb> yeah lol
2015-11-17T16:09:27 < Laurenceb> its still cloned gumstick xscale junk
2015-11-17T16:09:29 < dongs> < kingu> What is the 500GB SSD drive to get? Rather it didnt have privacy issues and that it can be updated on linux
2015-11-17T16:09:33 < dongs> lol...
2015-11-17T16:09:55 < Laurenceb> money was spent on bribing Murican hospitals to stick it on tons of people
2015-11-17T16:10:08 < Ecco> dongs: http://i.imgur.com/eZgtPER.jpg
2015-11-17T16:10:23 < Ecco> Hmm, the quality isn't so good
2015-11-17T16:10:28 < Ecco> Lemme grab a real camera
2015-11-17T16:10:35 < dongs> your via holes are hueg
2015-11-17T16:10:37 < dongs> compaerd to the pad
2015-11-17T16:10:40 < dongs> whats the dimensions?
2015-11-17T16:10:40 < Laurenceb> and cutting up rabbits and surgically implanting cables that didnt have ISO10993
2015-11-17T16:10:45 < Laurenceb> that cost a ton
2015-11-17T16:11:13 < Laurenceb> that PCB looks ok quality wise
2015-11-17T16:12:41 < Laurenceb> I'm tempted to try this with dirtypcbs http://imgur.com/a/uwxv3
2015-11-17T16:13:08 < dongs> stop_eagle
2015-11-17T16:14:07 < Laurenceb> how can you tell its eagle?
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2015-11-17T16:15:21 < kakimir> I think I need to buy typical 4kg brick
2015-11-17T16:15:35 < dongs> kakimir: all your chats were missed
2015-11-17T16:15:42 < dongs> the pic i linked, is that the kind you're after?
2015-11-17T16:16:33 < kakimir> pretty much
2015-11-17T16:16:43 < Ecco> the pads are UFQFN48
2015-11-17T16:16:51 < Ecco> The vias… I don't remember
2015-11-17T16:17:04 < dongs> the holes look tobig for the pads.
2015-11-17T16:17:20 < Ecco> I don't understand
2015-11-17T16:17:28 < dongs> (o)
2015-11-17T16:17:31 < dongs> the o is too big.
2015-11-17T16:17:35 < kakimir> how is lenovo flex 2 15
2015-11-17T16:18:42 < kakimir> oh just 300degrees tilting
2015-11-17T16:18:42 < dongs> thats not twist type thio
2015-11-17T16:19:08 < kakimir> if it's 360 and keyboard retracts - np
2015-11-17T16:19:31 < dongs> i think newest yoga does retracts but its somes shitty trash processor
2015-11-17T16:19:39 < kakimir> also it doesn't have trackpoint
2015-11-17T16:19:58 < kakimir> faggts
2015-11-17T16:20:20 < dongs> ya the mouse on yoga is awful
2015-11-17T16:20:27 < kakimir> yoga has that mirror display
2015-11-17T16:21:24 < kakimir> also most likelly crappy display
2015-11-17T16:21:31 < dongs> yep.
2015-11-17T16:21:36 < dongs> 3200x1800 but super crap colors.
2015-11-17T16:22:23 < karlp> wow, those are huge vias
2015-11-17T16:23:21 < Ecco> dongs: http://i.imgur.com/Q7bKawi.jpg
2015-11-17T16:24:00 < ReadError> china silk
2015-11-17T16:24:15 < ReadError> why dont they invest in LPI?
2015-11-17T16:25:35 < karlp> why's the mask pull back so huge on the resistor but not the caps?
2015-11-17T16:25:51 < karlp> oh no, it's pulled back on some nets, but not ground nets?
2015-11-17T16:26:19 < dongs> mask looks same
2015-11-17T16:26:23 < dongs> you talkin about ground plane?
2015-11-17T16:26:59 < ReadError> C4 vs R2
2015-11-17T16:27:24 < Ecco> I don't get it
2015-11-17T16:27:28 < Ecco> What's wrong?
2015-11-17T16:27:34 < dongs> but then C6 is same as R2
2015-11-17T16:27:38 < dongs> i think its just perspective
2015-11-17T16:27:44 < karlp> or each side of C1/C4 being different
2015-11-17T16:27:59 < Ecco> lemme show you a screenshot
2015-11-17T16:28:01 < karlp> or the top side of R1 vs the bottom ground side.
2015-11-17T16:28:07 < dongs> Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
2015-11-17T16:28:18 < Ecco> No but there are tracks that are wider than others
2015-11-17T16:28:18 < karlp> better be careful anyway, might drop your resitors through those vias
2015-11-17T16:28:25 < Ecco> karlp: lol :-)
2015-11-17T16:28:40 < dongs> karlp: the 'each side being different' thats just shitty silk registration @ chinapcb
2015-11-17T16:28:45 < dongs> its offset from pad cener :D
2015-11-17T16:28:46 < dongs> center.
2015-11-17T16:28:51 < dongs> er silk->mask
2015-11-17T16:28:52 < dongs> sry.
2015-11-17T16:28:54 < Ecco> also, the silk is clearly not proprely aligned
2015-11-17T16:29:05 < kakimir> UX305CA - sub 1keur - skylake - fanless - fullhd
2015-11-17T16:29:32 < kakimir> asus that is quality brand and better price-quality than lenovo
2015-11-17T16:29:56 < dongs> no 360 and only touchpad??
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2015-11-17T16:30:06 < kakimir> dongs: or power
2015-11-17T16:30:12 < kakimir> can't have it all
2015-11-17T16:31:10 < karlp> dongs: don't think it's mask registration, the fat pullbacks are even, just that the pull back is more in some areas than others
2015-11-17T16:31:18 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/PTWVZRm.png
2015-11-17T16:31:20 < karlp> looks more like weird rules for clearance in your original
2015-11-17T16:31:40 < karlp> http://imgur.com/JfNT5rn
2015-11-17T16:31:51 < karlp> yeah,. see, it's in his original
2015-11-17T16:32:03 < dongs> thats copper pours
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2015-11-17T16:32:24 < dongs> what shitsoft is that
2015-11-17T16:32:45 < ReadError> altium isnt it?
2015-11-17T16:32:48 < Ecco> yes
2015-11-17T16:32:57 < Ecco> I don't get whats wrong
2015-11-17T16:33:01 < dongs> how did you manage to fuck so much shit up
2015-11-17T16:33:03 < dongs> in a simple pcb
2015-11-17T16:33:04 < dongs> lolo
2015-11-17T16:33:04 < ReadError> Ecco you can make a rule for connections on pour vias
2015-11-17T16:33:10 < ReadError> so grounds are direct
2015-11-17T16:33:15 < Ecco> dongs: Because I'm such a newbie?
2015-11-17T16:33:17 < ReadError> learnt that after a PCB or so
2015-11-17T16:33:35 < Ecco> And also because that's my first PCB ever? Well second run, but still I didn't redesign it
2015-11-17T16:33:50 < dongs> where did you send it for first time?
2015-11-17T16:33:52 < dongs> antoher chinaplacE?
2015-11-17T16:33:55 < Ecco> ReadError: What do you mean "grounds are direct" ?
2015-11-17T16:33:58 < Ecco> dongs: no, oshpark
2015-11-17T16:34:01 < dongs> oh right
2015-11-17T16:34:03 < dongs> and they fucked it up?
2015-11-17T16:34:07 < Ecco> Yeah
2015-11-17T16:34:12 < ReadError> rather than 4 spoke
2015-11-17T16:34:14 < Ecco> 1 out of 3 had a bad short
2015-11-17T16:34:17 < ReadError> it would be solid
2015-11-17T16:34:21 < ReadError> direct*
2015-11-17T16:34:42 < Ecco> what's "it"? :)
2015-11-17T16:34:49 < dongs> ground pour to via
2015-11-17T16:34:53 < kakimir> can not play csgo on that computers
2015-11-17T16:34:58 < kakimir> no 60ps
2015-11-17T16:35:09 < dongs> fallout4 startd on my surface bro3
2015-11-17T16:35:14 < dongs> didnt try playing it past the start screen tho
2015-11-17T16:35:23 < dongs> menu looked msooth
2015-11-17T16:35:33 < kakimir> but what da hell anyways games are for children
2015-11-17T16:35:35 < dongs> pro intel gfx
2015-11-17T16:35:44 < Ecco> I don't understand… damn I feel so stupid
2015-11-17T16:35:52 < Ecco> Where should I look at?
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2015-11-17T16:36:09 < dongs> Ecco: how many design rules do you have
2015-11-17T16:36:21 < kakimir> I think I need laptop that is under 3years old to sustain my sel esteem
2015-11-17T16:36:21 < Ecco> dongs: very few
2015-11-17T16:36:29 < Ecco> I don't think I ever touched them at all
2015-11-17T16:36:50 < Ecco> So I probably have the default ones
2015-11-17T16:37:20 < dongs> does t-d-r on pcb return 0 errorrs?
2015-11-17T16:37:58 < dongs> or over 9000
2015-11-17T16:37:59 < Ecco> well, not exactly, but I screen the errors it gives and none seemed very important
2015-11-17T16:38:07 < Ecco> it gives like 30 erros
2015-11-17T16:38:13 < Ecco> essentially silk-screen related
2015-11-17T16:38:42 < dongs> yea you can turn those off.
2015-11-17T16:38:45 < dongs> in d-r
2015-11-17T16:39:04 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-17T16:39:12 < Ecco> so then yeah, I'd get zero rule violation
2015-11-17T16:39:36 < dongs> anyway, if you add plane connect rule
2015-11-17T16:39:37 < Ecco> but I don't understand what seems so bad in my current "design"
2015-11-17T16:39:40 < dongs> and use InNet('GND') and IsVia
2015-11-17T16:39:44 < dongs> for query
2015-11-17T16:39:47 < dongs> and repour planes
2015-11-17T16:39:56 < dongs> then vias wont have thermals to the poour
2015-11-17T16:39:56 < Ecco> ok let me try that real quick
2015-11-17T16:40:00 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-11-17T16:40:06 < Ecco> yeah I remember asking this here
2015-11-17T16:40:18 < Ecco> I asked about those thermal "stripes"
2015-11-17T16:40:31 < Ecco> and why drilled holes weren't connected "plainly" to the planes
2015-11-17T16:40:37 < Ecco> and apparently there was a good reason
2015-11-17T16:40:44 < dongs> there wasnt
2015-11-17T16:41:08 < Ecco> note that I probably wasn't talking about vias
2015-11-17T16:41:20 < dongs> indeed
2015-11-17T16:42:22 < Ecco> I don't get it
2015-11-17T16:42:26 < Ecco> I have two questions :-)
2015-11-17T16:42:35 < ReadError> for pads you dont want tho since you will get component boners
2015-11-17T16:42:40 < Ecco> 1/ What's the point of those "thermal" connections and why are there here by default?
2015-11-17T16:42:48 < dongs> 1/ none 2/ just caues
2015-11-17T16:43:07 < Ecco> damnit I wasn't even at 2/ yet
2015-11-17T16:43:36 < Ecco> 2/ Where is the error visible in the pics I uploaded? (http://i.imgur.com/Q7bKawi.jpg and/or http://i.imgur.com/PTWVZRm.png)
2015-11-17T16:43:49 < Ecco> oh, I get it, on the right of the first one
2015-11-17T16:43:53 < Ecco> allllright
2015-11-17T16:44:20 < Ecco> So then, I've even more quesitons :-) When are thermal connections like those useful?
2015-11-17T16:44:23 < karlp> I was referring to how big the isolatin was for the non-ground pads vs the ground pads.
2015-11-17T16:44:38 < karlp> thermals are for when you want to actually solder things on that pad
2015-11-17T16:44:39 < dongs> Ecco: when youre soldering stuff to them
2015-11-17T16:44:43 < dongs> yea wat he said.
2015-11-17T16:44:48 < Ecco> ok, I get it
2015-11-17T16:44:50 < karlp> so you don't lose all the heat out into the plane straight away.
2015-11-17T16:44:53 < Ecco> ok, so now it makes sense
2015-11-17T16:45:05 < Ecco> I asked the question for holes for a header
2015-11-17T16:45:16 < dongs> you want them on headers, yes
2015-11-17T16:45:16 < Ecco> then yes, I understand, you need thermals
2015-11-17T16:45:17 < Ecco> thanks
2015-11-17T16:45:21 < dongs> or else soldering those is a real cunt
2015-11-17T16:45:27 < Ecco> Makes perfect sense
2015-11-17T16:45:28 < karlp> still, you don't need your vias to be anywhere near as big as you have.
2015-11-17T16:45:30 < Ecco> thanks guys
2015-11-17T16:45:40 < Ecco> karlp: ok, I will fix this
2015-11-17T16:45:41 < karlp> and there's probably no reason to have the isolation to the pour so big either.
2015-11-17T16:45:50 < ReadError> i been using 12/24
2015-11-17T16:45:54 < Ecco> karlp: ok, this I increased manually
2015-11-17T16:45:55 < ReadError> since most china places will do that easy
2015-11-17T16:45:57 < Ecco> because of oshpark
2015-11-17T16:45:57 < dongs> 0.3/0.5
2015-11-17T16:46:13 < Ecco> (they fucked up with a 6mil isolation)
2015-11-17T16:46:19 < ReadError> or was it 12/20..forget
2015-11-17T16:46:19 < karlp> is 12/24 the same as 0.3mm real modern world?
2015-11-17T16:46:25 < Ecco> and given I don't need anything fancy I bumped that to 20mil IIRC
2015-11-17T16:46:28 < dongs> its like 0.306 or somshit
2015-11-17T16:46:31 < karlp> Ecco: well, you don't have consisten isolation anywya, so....
2015-11-17T16:46:33 < dongs> but /24 is too big
2015-11-17T16:46:34 < dongs> 0.6
2015-11-17T16:46:51 < Ecco> karlp: Really? Where?
2015-11-17T16:46:58 < Ecco> It seems pretty much constant to me
2015-11-17T16:47:12 < dongs> karlp: im very sure the "inconsistent" is becaues of misaligned mask
2015-11-17T16:47:14 < karlp> my whole original fucking point was that the isolation was different on one end of your parts to the other end.
2015-11-17T16:47:24 < karlp> dongs: no, look at his blue screenshot, it's in the original
2015-11-17T16:47:33 < karlp> don't make me edit that one too....
2015-11-17T16:47:36 < dongs> thats COPPER
2015-11-17T16:47:38 < dongs> not MASK
2015-11-17T16:47:39 < dongs> nigger
2015-11-17T16:47:50 < dongs> yes, his clerance rules for GND are different form other nets.
2015-11-17T16:47:58 < dongs> thats whati see there
2015-11-17T16:48:00 < karlp> oh fucking, whatever.
2015-11-17T16:48:01 < dongs> but nothing is offset
2015-11-17T16:48:05 < dongs> !!!!!!
2015-11-17T16:48:08 < karlp> no, I don't see offset either
2015-11-17T16:48:15 < karlp> I never said offset :) that was you blaming china :)
2015-11-17T16:48:22 < dongs> offset is MASK
2015-11-17T16:48:25 < dongs> look at his photo pic
2015-11-17T16:48:31 < dongs> pad is not centered inside mask
2015-11-17T16:48:41 < karlp> you're right though, I was saying _mask_ when I was asking about the mismatched copper isolation
2015-11-17T16:48:53 < karlp> yeah, mask is a little offset, but the copper isolation differences are huge
2015-11-17T16:49:01 < dongs> thats just clerance rule.
2015-11-17T16:49:08 < dongs> he probly added a new clerance rule for oshfuck
2015-11-17T16:49:12 < dongs> and forgot to edit it for gnd/planes
2015-11-17T16:49:48 < karlp> and that's why I said he hadn't got consistent isolation anyway...
2015-11-17T16:50:02 < karlp> right, what should we yell at each other about next?
2015-11-17T16:50:07 < dongs> zano!
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2015-11-17T16:50:37 < dongs> why is his top layer blue in altidong
2015-11-17T16:50:45 < dongs> default is red!
2015-11-17T16:50:53 < Ecco> That's my bottom layer
2015-11-17T16:51:04 < dongs> is your shit doublesided
2015-11-17T16:51:06 < Ecco> yes
2015-11-17T16:51:17 < dongs> pro newb mistake
2015-11-17T16:51:29 < dongs> doublesided assembly is a real bitch
2015-11-17T16:51:45 < Ecco> yeah, but one side doesn't have any components on it
2015-11-17T16:51:49 < dongs> ..
2015-11-17T16:51:56 < dongs> then why didnt you have all teh shit on the TOP side
2015-11-17T16:52:01 < dongs> and just flip it over to actually mount
2015-11-17T16:52:02 < Ecco> legit question
2015-11-17T16:52:02 < karlp> must be easy visualizing it all upsdie down...
2015-11-17T16:52:12 < Ecco> but for once I have a good reason
2015-11-17T16:52:25 < dongs> <Ecco> Cuz im in australia
2015-11-17T16:52:28 < Ecco> :-D
2015-11-17T16:52:29  * karlp laughs
2015-11-17T16:52:51 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/o2Onwqm.jpg
2015-11-17T16:53:02 < Ecco> I have to align the pads to the casing
2015-11-17T16:53:16 < Ecco> and this is already a fucking pain when the pads are on the top side
2015-11-17T16:53:36 < dongs> buydisplay.com box looks very similar to wvshare box
2015-11-17T16:54:08 < dongs> thats a lot of pixels on that panel man
2015-11-17T16:54:13 < dongs> isthat 256x 128 or so?
2015-11-17T16:54:19 < Ecco> 240x160 iirc
2015-11-17T16:54:23 < dongs> neat
2015-11-17T16:54:31 < Ecco> Yeah, I wish there would be more
2015-11-17T16:54:46 < Ecco> But apparently they can't build anything higher res
2015-11-17T16:55:01 < Ecco> Next step for me is having a panel custom-built
2015-11-17T16:55:14 < Ecco> They charge like $3000 for tooling
2015-11-17T16:55:22 < dongs> why would you evfen bother
2015-11-17T16:55:26 < dongs> are you goingto CES next year?
2015-11-17T16:55:28 < Ecco> :-D
2015-11-17T16:55:30 < dongs> with a HUGE INNOVATION
2015-11-17T16:55:55 < dongs> whats hte point of that demo?
2015-11-17T16:55:58 < dongs> a calcualtor?
2015-11-17T16:56:02 < Ecco> yes
2015-11-17T16:56:07 < Ecco> That's it
2015-11-17T16:56:31 < dongs> you are aware thre are graphing calculators that cost fraction of what it woul cost you to prototype anything similar right
2015-11-17T16:56:38 < dongs> and they include complete enclosures with keypads ands hit
2015-11-17T16:56:44 < Ecco> Yes :)
2015-11-17T16:56:52 < dongs> kk just making sure ur aware.
2015-11-17T16:57:34 < Ecco> But I think those are badly overpriced
2015-11-17T16:57:50 < dongs> yes, and spending 3k on tooling for a china LCD is not
2015-11-17T16:57:51 < dongs> at all.
2015-11-17T16:58:12 < Ecco> if you plan to make a single one, yes
2015-11-17T16:58:25 < Ecco> if you're making a bunch of those, maybe not?
2015-11-17T17:02:29 < ReadError> wouldnt people just use cellphones now?
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2015-11-17T17:02:51 < dongs> that too
2015-11-17T17:03:09 < Ecco> I wish. Can't allow those during a test though.
2015-11-17T17:03:28 < ReadError> yea but teachers know that students put notes into graphing ones
2015-11-17T17:03:42 < Ecco> and?
2015-11-17T17:03:52 < dongs> all the shit you wanna make on a trasgh screen, just present it in json on esp14/88 and render on smartphone
2015-11-17T17:03:59 < Ecco> Notes aren't as bad as students actually chatting and cheating with eachother
2015-11-17T17:04:26 < Ecco> dongs: That seems interesting but I can't see where you're going with this
2015-11-17T17:06:14 < dongs> anywhere
2015-11-17T17:06:18 < dongs> to replace whatever youre doing
2015-11-17T17:06:19 < dongs> :)
2015-11-17T17:06:30 < dongs> im just trolling, disregard.
2015-11-17T17:06:33 < dongs> innovate away.
2015-11-17T17:06:34 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-11-17T17:06:43 < Ecco> Well, thing is, I'm not innovating
2015-11-17T17:08:20 < gxti> INNOVATE
2015-11-17T17:08:23 < kakimir> I think I have done my choise
2015-11-17T17:08:36 < kakimir> UX305CA it is
2015-11-17T17:08:59 < kakimir> I have suffered of 4kg bricks and now it's time to go slim
2015-11-17T17:09:04 < dongs> intel core M?
2015-11-17T17:09:06 < dongs> isnt it garbage
2015-11-17T17:09:11 < kakimir> skylake
2015-11-17T17:09:13 < dongs> its tha fanless super shit low power one
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2015-11-17T17:09:21 < dongs> with like 4W tdp
2015-11-17T17:09:23 < kakimir> shupper shitter
2015-11-17T17:09:26 < dongs> it can barely open internet explorer
2015-11-17T17:09:36 < Ecco> Apprently the surface pro 4 is pretty good
2015-11-17T17:09:43 < kakimir> it will run lunix
2015-11-17T17:09:48 < dongs> yeah i wanan buy it. i dont need it, but i want it.
2015-11-17T17:10:18 < kakimir> dongs: surface pro 4?
2015-11-17T17:10:22 < dongs> ya
2015-11-17T17:10:28 < kakimir> you stupid cunt
2015-11-17T17:10:34 < dongs> lol.
2015-11-17T17:10:38 < englishman> what about the surface laptop thing
2015-11-17T17:10:40 < dongs> im typing this blog on bro 3 right now
2015-11-17T17:10:44 < dongs> englishman: garbage
2015-11-17T17:10:45 < englishman> that actually can hold itself up
2015-11-17T17:10:47 < englishman> whys that
2015-11-17T17:10:53 < kakimir> englishman: hype?
2015-11-17T17:11:39 < dongs> englishman: it takes up like 5cm folded
2015-11-17T17:11:42 < dongs> because of retarded hinge
2015-11-17T17:11:45 < dongs> and it doesnt have wired ethernet
2015-11-17T17:11:47 < dongs> for that size.
2015-11-17T17:11:50 < englishman> haha really
2015-11-17T17:11:50 < dongs> that shit can fuck right off.
2015-11-17T17:11:51 < dongs> yes
2015-11-17T17:11:54 < englishman> neither does surface bfo3
2015-11-17T17:12:00 < dongs> yes but its not 5cm folded
2015-11-17T17:12:21 < englishman> so they should call it surface textbook
2015-11-17T17:13:24 < kakimir> there is higher wattage i5 old zenbooks for same price or less
2015-11-17T17:13:37 < kakimir> more power
2015-11-17T17:14:02 < dongs> http://cdn1.expertreviews.co.uk/sites/expertreviews/files/2015/10/microsoft_event-2015-oct-6-153.jpg?itok=av0wRmBX
2015-11-17T17:17:38 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ironx-ultimate-pc-experience-on-tablet/ haha this got funded
2015-11-17T17:17:51 < dongs> unfuckingbeleivable
2015-11-17T17:18:39 < englishman> $200 for i7 wat
2015-11-17T17:18:52 < dongs> its some croat str8 up scamming
2015-11-17T17:18:54 < dongs> not even trying
2015-11-17T17:19:17 < gxti> "U get: 1 peace of IronX tab" gr8 copy m8
2015-11-17T17:19:26 < englishman> nice
2015-11-17T17:19:28 < dongs> peace in france
2015-11-17T17:19:32 < englishman> ofc its indiegogo
2015-11-17T17:19:39 < dongs> and flexible
2015-11-17T17:19:39 < gxti> yes, and flex funded
2015-11-17T17:19:47 < dongs> even tho thtas not relevant now
2015-11-17T17:19:48 < kakimir> what was indiegogo's scam policy?
2015-11-17T17:19:51 < dongs> since its catuall funded
2015-11-17T17:19:53 < gxti> any product with flex funding is definitely a scam
2015-11-17T17:19:53 < dongs> kakimir: ignore
2015-11-17T17:20:06 < dongs> speaking of scam
2015-11-17T17:20:10 < dongs> time to check up ritot
2015-11-17T17:20:28 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch#/updates
2015-11-17T17:21:15 < kakimir> what is wrong with it?
2015-11-17T17:21:24 < dongs> nothing at all
2015-11-17T17:21:24 < kakimir> it's doable
2015-11-17T17:21:28 < dongs> you should buy some
2015-11-17T17:21:33 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-17T17:21:53 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/smarty-ring--3#/updates
2015-11-17T17:21:55 < dongs> another good one
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2015-11-17T17:22:59 < kakimir> jesus
2015-11-17T17:26:08 < gxti> good illustration of the scale of scams
2015-11-17T17:26:20 < dongs> we need to do a #stm32 scam
2015-11-17T17:26:21 < gxti> tablet thing is feasible but no way for that price
2015-11-17T17:26:33 < dongs> gxti: sure, specs is just copypasted from bro4/ipad pro
2015-11-17T17:26:34 < dongs> lol
2015-11-17T17:26:36 < gxti> ritot is feasible but not for that price and it will never work as well as all their photoshops
2015-11-17T17:26:48 < gxti> smarty ring is just a fuckin scam
2015-11-17T17:26:55 < dongs> ya smartyring is lol
2015-11-17T17:26:59 < dongs> they were mounting led dies
2015-11-17T17:27:02 < dongs> directly to pcb
2015-11-17T17:27:05 < dongs> with wirebonding or something
2015-11-17T17:27:08 < dongs> of course it was failing
2015-11-17T17:27:39 < kakimir> obiviously not having technical knowledge but photoshop skills helps you make 10x the money
2015-11-17T17:27:46 < dongs> i rememver figuring out which AMS led driver they used and sent the info to dropkicker
2015-11-17T17:28:27 < dongs> still no official update from zano, lol
2015-11-17T17:28:34 < gxti> looks like dropkicker stopped updating
2015-11-17T17:28:53 < emeryth> oh the irony
2015-11-17T17:29:03 < dongs> yeah he said it was too much wokr
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2015-11-17T17:33:04 < Ecco> ok guys I fixed my PCB and removed thermals from vias
2015-11-17T17:33:14 < Ecco> Thanks for pointing this out
2015-11-17T17:33:36 < Ecco> It was a pain to add that rule though (I had to manually type the query "IsVia")
2015-11-17T17:33:40 < Ecco> I wonder why that is
2015-11-17T17:34:07 < Ecco> (I mean, vias are very common, and so are polygon pours, so I find it weird to have to enter this rule myself)
2015-11-17T17:34:50 < rewolff> Re: PCBs. I just investigated moving to a 64 pin UFBGA for the STM32. With 6 mil design rules for elecrow/itead/seeed, that's out of the question, right?
2015-11-17T17:35:31 < zyp> what's the pitch?
2015-11-17T17:36:35 < dongs> er, ufbga? isnt all stm32 shits like retardd 0.5mm pitch
2015-11-17T17:36:43 < rewolff> yes. 0.5mm.
2015-11-17T17:36:46 < dongs> yeah forget it
2015-11-17T17:36:49 < rewolff> 5mmx5mm.
2015-11-17T17:36:49 < dongs> you also gonna need laser vias
2015-11-17T17:36:55 < dongs> if you wanna break out more than outer row.
2015-11-17T17:37:08 < dongs> i have a bunch of those laying on my desk
2015-11-17T17:37:10 < dongs> super useless.
2015-11-17T17:37:26 < rewolff> The 5x5mm chips that won't go anywhere?
2015-11-17T17:37:30 < dongs> yes
2015-11-17T17:37:50 < dongs> F103s in 5x5BGA, 64pin? i think
2015-11-17T17:38:10 < rewolff> I have a bunch in my "shopping basket" at a convenient electronics shop. Forgot to hit "pay now".... I guess I can skip that now.
2015-11-17T17:38:14 < dongs> whats dumb is like....
2015-11-17T17:38:23 < dongs> if they increased pitch
2015-11-17T17:38:27 < dongs> they could still use 5x5mm
2015-11-17T17:38:29 < karlp> Ecco: it was a pain to add that rule because altium is teh suck... shoulda used orcad....
2015-11-17T17:38:34 < dongs> i think 0.65 is still doable wiht same outer dimensions
2015-11-17T17:39:29 < rewolff> I'd say: "almost but not quite". The outer balls would then be closer to the edge than halfway to their neighbors.
2015-11-17T17:39:34 < dongs> BGA49 5X5 0.65MM
2015-11-17T17:39:46 < dongs> ah
2015-11-17T17:39:50 < dongs> wiht 0.65 you only get 49.
2015-11-17T17:40:07 < dongs> i have something w/that
2015-11-17T17:40:10 < dongs> on 5/5 mil rules.
2015-11-17T17:40:53 < rewolff> Yeah. Then there is .45 mm of "empty" to distribute between the two edges.
2015-11-17T17:41:47 < dongs> there's also a way to do .5m bga64 without dumb rules
2015-11-17T17:42:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mF9yd0V.png
2015-11-17T17:42:23 < dongs> like this
2015-11-17T17:42:28 < dongs> and you can still do that one on 5/5
2015-11-17T17:42:30 < dongs> depending on things
2015-11-17T17:42:45 < Sync> yeah but some pro chip companies just put a full grid
2015-11-17T17:42:51 < Sync> even though they are not all connected
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2015-11-17T17:44:59 < TheSeven> how does attempting to write to a flash address, without entering a flash programming mode first, usually behave?
2015-11-17T17:45:07 < TheSeven> does it just do nothing or does it cause some fault?
2015-11-17T17:45:23 < dongs> probly just nothing
2015-11-17T17:45:41 < zyp> either nothing or busfault
2015-11-17T17:45:49 < dongs> bugsfault
2015-11-17T17:47:12 < TheSeven> thing is that I'm getting some fault (probably bus fault, need to check what exactly) while attempting to write to flash, after setting up flash programming (no write protection, unlock, set PG, write)
2015-11-17T17:47:17 < TheSeven> and only on f072
2015-11-17T17:47:25 < TheSeven> very same code/binary works just fine on f030
2015-11-17T17:47:43 < TheSeven> address being programmed is 0x0800f000, should be safe on both
2015-11-17T17:47:55 < zyp> isn't there a lock status bit? have you checked that it unlocks correctly?
2015-11-17T17:47:57 < TheSeven> the faulting instruction is the strh to the halfword that's supposed to be programmed
2015-11-17T17:47:59 < dongs> did you erase it first?
2015-11-17T17:48:08 < zyp> erase shouldn't matter
2015-11-17T17:48:12 < dongs> Did you accomplish what you came for: Yes   No
2015-11-17T17:48:19 < TheSeven> yes, lock status bit goes zero after writing the unlock sequence, setting the PG bit also sticks
2015-11-17T17:48:20 < dongs> ^ actual question on adobe.com
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2015-11-17T17:48:43 < TheSeven> old flash contents is 0xffff, and if it isn't erased that should generate a flash programming error, not a bus fault or whatever
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2015-11-17T17:49:05 < zyp> if it isn't erased, it'll just merge, usually
2015-11-17T17:49:30 < TheSeven> datasheet says it will do nothing and trigger an error bit, unless you write 0x0000
2015-11-17T17:50:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mZiohn0.gifv
2015-11-17T17:50:48 < dongs> LOL
2015-11-17T17:51:05 < TheSeven> what baffles me is that it works on f030 and fails on f072, which are almost binary compatible
2015-11-17T17:53:07 < TheSeven> the flash interface section of the reference manual is basically identical except for replaced device names ;)
2015-11-17T17:58:59 < Ecco> TheSeven: Maybe you're doing something off-spec that happens to work on one device
2015-11-17T17:59:27 < upgrdman_> so for web developers, browsers can show you want CSS rules apply to an element that you hover over. is there something like this for programmers using visual studio or eclipse? like you hover over some GUI element, and the IDE shows you what code created that element, any code for event handlers, etc. ?
2015-11-17T18:00:06 < Ecco> upgrdman_: I can tell you about Xcode
2015-11-17T18:00:22 < upgrdman_> ya xcode is pretty, but im abandoning os x soon :/
2015-11-17T18:00:23 < Ecco> there's no such thing. But there's a dynamic UI inspector where you can see each widgets in a "3D" view
2015-11-17T18:00:31 < Ecco> upgrdman_: Oh really? Why?
2015-11-17T18:01:31 < upgrdman_> os x totally sucks if you are a power user. perhaps the most annoying part is the file/edit/view bar always at the top of the screen, instead of attached to a window. makes multitasking more cumbersome. this also makes focus-follow-mouse impossible.
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2015-11-17T18:01:54 < upgrdman_> also, os x is not friendly with VMs
2015-11-17T18:02:10 < upgrdman_> you want to run os x inside a VM? fuck you. it's gonna be slow as fuck. because fuck you.
2015-11-17T18:02:46 < upgrdman_> windows 10 has so many annoyances, but its a step up from os x.
2015-11-17T18:03:14 < upgrdman_> i cant wait for linux DEs to catch up with high dpi support and high resolution scrolling.
2015-11-17T18:03:42 < Ecco> My guess is that this will never happen
2015-11-17T18:03:45 < rewolff> ZYP: the logic in STM chips is different. If you (re)program a non-0xfff...ff location, you WILL get zero. You get only one chance at anything between All ones and All zeroes.
2015-11-17T18:04:13 < zyp> ok
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2015-11-17T18:04:16 < upgrdman_> Ecco, gnome/cinnamon are actually pretty good now, but most programs are not.
2015-11-17T18:04:42 < dongs> lol gnome
2015-11-17T18:04:45 < dongs> is that shit still around
2015-11-17T18:04:47 < Ecco> I used to run Linux on the desktop 10 years ago
2015-11-17T18:04:50 < Ecco> It was painful
2015-11-17T18:04:55 < dongs> it hasnt changed
2015-11-17T18:05:01 < Ecco> Yeah I doubt it would
2015-11-17T18:05:04 < upgrdman_> dongs, ya :) and it sucks even more now, but cinnamon makes it a cunt hair better.
2015-11-17T18:05:07 < dongs> i used to run luinx oin desktop 20 yeras ago
2015-11-17T18:05:12 < dongs> its still same garbage
2015-11-17T18:05:14 < dongs> as it is now
2015-11-17T18:05:20 < zyp> upgrdman_, how often do you use the menu anyway?
2015-11-17T18:05:49 < upgrdman_> zyp, depends on what im doing. ~never, to ~every minute
2015-11-17T18:05:49 < Ecco> dongs: So you ran linux versions ~1.0 ?
2015-11-17T18:05:49 < dongs> upgrdman_: insert $shitX makes lunix better slightly, but $othershit makes it worse, its a never ending cycle of aids
2015-11-17T18:05:59 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-11-17T18:06:04 < dongs> ecco, 1996 is not that oldl
2015-11-17T18:06:17 < Ecco> well, that was still linux 1.x
2015-11-17T18:06:25 < zyp> upgrdman_, for me it's mostly only used when I forget the hotkeys for whatever I'm doing
2015-11-17T18:06:28 < dongs> 1.2.13-ish
2015-11-17T18:06:30 < Ecco> not that the kernel is what matters the most though
2015-11-17T18:06:39 < rewolff> TheSeven: Want my working write-to-flash code? Works on '072 and recently tested on '042 as well.
2015-11-17T18:06:44 < zyp> and I like not having to waste a lot of space for every window to have it's own menu bar
2015-11-17T18:06:45 < dongs> macfags have hotkeys????
2015-11-17T18:06:50 < dongs> you cant even do menus from keyboard can you?
2015-11-17T18:06:52 < dongs> lolz.
2015-11-17T18:06:52 < upgrdman_> zyp, ya. same here. when im using a tool i've used for months, i mostly use hotkeys.
2015-11-17T18:06:55 < dongs> alt-f-etc
2015-11-17T18:07:22 < upgrdman_> dongs, indeed. os x keyboard navigation sucks balls.
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2015-11-17T18:07:43 < Ecco> The big issu w/ Linux/desktop is the lack of consistency
2015-11-17T18:07:58 < Ecco> Everyone wants its own metaphor (tiling, desktop environment, etc…)
2015-11-17T18:08:02 < Ecco> so developers are fucked
2015-11-17T18:08:03 < karlp> the big issue with _computers_ is lack of consistency
2015-11-17T18:08:24 < Ecco> Well, OSX and Windows have better guidelines
2015-11-17T18:08:27 < upgrdman_> Ecco, lol. i actually find windows to be the WORST that that. os x comes out best, linux second best, in terms on consistancy.
2015-11-17T18:08:33 < Ecco> really?
2015-11-17T18:08:36 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-17T18:08:54 < Ecco> Man, there's like *zero* common UI element between, say, KDE and AwesomeWM
2015-11-17T18:08:56 < upgrdman_> seems like every GUI wants to use their own tweaks, or just say fuck it, and do a gay themed thing like winamp
2015-11-17T18:09:10 < Ecco> yeah, but at least there's a "standard baseline"
2015-11-17T18:09:32 < upgrdman_> i should say that almost all of the linux gui apps i use are gtk.
2015-11-17T18:09:39 < upgrdman_> so that may skew my findings
2015-11-17T18:10:35 < Ecco> I see
2015-11-17T18:11:10 < upgrdman_> os x also has the best file-selection and print dialogs.
2015-11-17T18:11:19 < upgrdman_> windows and linux are still retarded with those.
2015-11-17T18:11:52 < dongs> sorry wrong.
2015-11-17T18:11:56 < Ecco> I really wish the folks at Apple would stop fucking around though
2015-11-17T18:12:21 < Ecco> I think they should add a tiling window management mode
2015-11-17T18:12:26 < Ecco> and work on thinning the whole OS
2015-11-17T18:12:47 < upgrdman_> i have tried 10.12 but doesnt it support tiling?
2015-11-17T18:12:59 < Ecco> it supports "split screen"
2015-11-17T18:13:02 < upgrdman_> have NOT*
2015-11-17T18:13:09 < upgrdman_> oh ok
2015-11-17T18:13:29 < Ecco> that's a half-ass, ersatz of a tiling WM
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2015-11-17T18:13:42 < upgrdman_> ersatz?
2015-11-17T18:13:52 < Ecco> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ersatz_good
2015-11-17T18:14:15 < upgrdman_> very nice
2015-11-17T18:14:28 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/D4eQpCp.webm da fuq
2015-11-17T18:14:42 < upgrdman_> but ya, lack of focus-follows-mouse is WORSE THAN HITLER.
2015-11-17T18:14:55 < dongs> ffm is only good if you're a lunix fgt
2015-11-17T18:15:03 < Ecco> yeah, I don't like it either
2015-11-17T18:15:13 < Ecco> OSX has "scroll-focus follows mouse", which is ok
2015-11-17T18:15:14 < zyp> focus follow mouse is stupid as fuck
2015-11-17T18:15:28 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-11-17T18:15:38 < zyp> yeah, scroll follows mouse makes sense, focus does not
2015-11-17T18:15:41 < Ecco> agreed
2015-11-17T18:15:46 < upgrdman_> disagrees
2015-11-17T18:15:50 < upgrdman_> but whatever
2015-11-17T18:16:18 < Ecco> On the topic of UI consistency
2015-11-17T18:16:18 < Ecco> https://anders.unix.se/2015/10/28/screenshots-from-developers--unix-people-2002/
2015-11-17T18:16:30 < Ecco> That fucking cunt of Stallman
2015-11-17T18:16:38 < Ecco> "I don’t know how to make a screenshot, because I normally use my computer in text-mode. "
2015-11-17T18:17:09 < upgrdman_> wow. i still have RTCW with linux installer!
2015-11-17T18:17:19 < upgrdman_> i need to find it and play it again
2015-11-17T18:17:25 < upgrdman_> but ya. 2002... found your problem.
2015-11-17T18:19:04 < TheSeven> rewolff: can't hurt to have something to compare to :)
2015-11-17T18:20:10 < rewolff> How do I get it to you? ... Feel free to use it for your debugging / in your project, but for now not pasted all over the internet.
2015-11-17T18:21:19 < rewolff> Found a solution. You have three minutes to download from: http://prive.bitwizard.nl/write_to_flash.c
2015-11-17T18:22:10 < rewolff> You got it, or is it someone else?
2015-11-17T18:22:36 < rewolff> Someone else....
2015-11-17T18:22:39 < TheSeven> got it
2015-11-17T18:22:44 < rewolff> and again someone else.
2015-11-17T18:22:45 < rewolff> Hmm.
2015-11-17T18:23:06 < rewolff> Three other people grabbed it.
2015-11-17T18:23:08 < dongs> :)
2015-11-17T18:23:11 < zyp> :)
2015-11-17T18:23:14 < TheSeven> apparently people are interested in stuff like that ;)
2015-11-17T18:23:15 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-11-17T18:23:25 < zyp> I just wanted to see what's so secret
2015-11-17T18:23:29 < zyp> disappointed
2015-11-17T18:23:33 < upgrdman_> same here
2015-11-17T18:23:41 < zyp> super boring
2015-11-17T18:23:47 < rewolff> Yeah. Super boring.
2015-11-17T18:23:52 < rewolff> :-)
2015-11-17T18:24:03 < TheSeven> in the meantime I tried what happens if I attempt to write to flash without unlocking it and without setting PG on f030 => no fault, just no EOP success signal
2015-11-17T18:24:19 < rewolff> You know what annoys me?
2015-11-17T18:24:37 < TheSeven> so you can basically do everything wrong, and it doesn't fault. why the hell does the f072 fault if I do it right then? :P
2015-11-17T18:24:51 < dongs> bedtime
2015-11-17T18:24:53 < rewolff> I send a  "secret URL" to my accountant. And 3 minutes after he downloads the stuff, the server gets a request from taiwan for that URL.....
2015-11-17T18:25:25 < zyp> TheSeven, maybe execution fetch fails when flash is busy rather than wait like it should?
2015-11-17T18:25:32 < Ecco> maybe your accountant outsources his work to taiwan?
2015-11-17T18:25:58 < TheSeven> hm, possibly, but then I'd guess I'd see at least one word written if I check after a reset, and no, still 0xffff there
2015-11-17T18:26:19 < rewolff> Tracing the IP, I THINK it it is his virus checker that uploads the URLs he visits to "headquarters".....
2015-11-17T18:26:19 < upgrdman_> here my shit flash erase/write code for the f0: https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_flash.c?ts=4
2015-11-17T18:26:27 < Ecco> Guys
2015-11-17T18:26:34 < Ecco> I'd like to prototype silicon keypads
2015-11-17T18:26:41 < TheSeven> I've seen links sent via skype getting requested by something - microsoft claims it's some malware protection thing
2015-11-17T18:26:43 < Ecco> Do you know who could do this for a reasonable price?
2015-11-17T18:27:17 < zyp> quick, everybody post your flashing codes!
2015-11-17T18:27:59 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n71 <- here's mine, although I assume nobody fucking cares
2015-11-17T18:30:00 < TheSeven> hm, wait a sec. if I compile the code for f030 and run it on f072, it works... if I compile it for f072 it doesn't
2015-11-17T18:30:14 < TheSeven> f072 code on f030 can't be tested due to lack of HSI osc...
2015-11-17T18:30:15 < ReadError> anyone aware of a tool that lets you put in a 2 known things and it can termine how its hashed/crc'd ?
2015-11-17T18:30:23 < zyp> TheSeven, haha, what
2015-11-17T18:30:32 < TheSeven> dammit, I knew it must be something like that
2015-11-17T18:30:43 < Ecco> ReadError: so image+preimage and you want it to give you the hash algorithm?
2015-11-17T18:30:43 < rewolff> Then your "072" stuff has a problem.
2015-11-17T18:30:49 < TheSeven> I think I read somewhere that programming flash requires HSI to be running, and the f072 build runs on HSI48
2015-11-17T18:31:07 < ReadError> Ecco say I have 2x 32 bit binary strings/numbers
2015-11-17T18:31:19 < ReadError> and want to iterate through different $magic
2015-11-17T18:31:25 < rewolff> e.g. if I compile for 042 on 072 or the other way around, I get a busfault on the initialization of the non-existant ports.
2015-11-17T18:31:28 < TheSeven> but why would that bus fault!? :P
2015-11-17T18:31:41 < TheSeven> rewolff: f042 code should run on f072 unmodified
2015-11-17T18:31:41 < Ecco> ReadError: I think you'll have to write your own code to bruteforce it
2015-11-17T18:31:58 < ReadError> Ecco yea, figured there would have been a need for this before
2015-11-17T18:32:02 < ReadError> so maybe something existed
2015-11-17T18:32:08 < TheSeven> just like f205 code would run on f207/f215/f217/f4xx
2015-11-17T18:32:11 < Ecco> not that I know of
2015-11-17T18:32:20 < Ecco> there are a few online rainbow tables
2015-11-17T18:32:25 < Ecco> but I don't think that'd help you out
2015-11-17T18:32:34 < Ecco> especially if you hash isn't a crypto one
2015-11-17T18:32:42 < ReadError> its not crazy crypto
2015-11-17T18:32:50 < ReadError> i imagine they are just adding a checksum somewhere/how
2015-11-17T18:32:54 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-17T18:33:03 < Ecco> can't you just reverse the code?
2015-11-17T18:34:29 < ReadError> theres no code for it
2015-11-17T18:34:35 < Ecco> I don't get it
2015-11-17T18:34:43 < ReadError> basically i have an ID # and an output (32bit)
2015-11-17T18:35:12 < Ecco> which was somehow generated, right?
2015-11-17T18:35:23 < Ecco> 32bits is most likely CRC32
2015-11-17T18:35:44 < ReadError> yea its not going to be anything super advanced/encrypted
2015-11-17T18:40:35 < TheSeven> ok, I can confirm it: the problem was really that the HSI osc was not running1
2015-11-17T18:40:58 < TheSeven> I mean I would have thought about that if it would have locked up or something... but bus fault!?
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2015-11-17T19:21:14 < rewolff> Bus fault is: You requested an operation on the bus that cannot complete. Maybe it even tried flashing but had a timeout on the bus. With asynchronous busses and PDP11-hardware, that's the original cause for "bus fault". But it might be smarter and give you the bus fault before it hangs.
2015-11-17T19:22:57 < rewolff> Note that you don't get to "see" the flash operation timing out: Your CPU would halt on the next flash instruction fetch. And if there is no timeout on the flash module not working because of "no HSI", then you'd simply hang.
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2015-11-17T19:23:46 < rewolff> You SHOULD write a busfault handler that does a polled "write_to_serial_port ("Got a busfault"); "
2015-11-17T19:24:39 < upgrdman_> reminds me of some shit code that initialized things out of order at start up, so it caused hard faults, and they "fixed" it by just returning from the hard fault handler. lol.
2015-11-17T19:24:42 < rewolff> but nobody does that. When I'm debugging this stuff I nowadays put a breakpoint on the unhandled_fault_handler and get a nice "CPU halted in ... " from the debugger when it happens.
2015-11-17T19:26:09 < rewolff> upgrdman_: doesn't that restart the instruction? If, say, you fix a pagefault, you'd want to return to the instruction that caused the problem. I'd design the hardware for that. In this case you would need to software-advance the PC: Even uglier than "just returning".
2015-11-17T19:26:27 < jubatus> why is it not a hardware error when you try to read flash with the HSI halted ?
2015-11-17T19:26:33 < upgrdman_> no it skips past the problematic instruction
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2015-11-17T19:26:36 < upgrdman_> at least on lpc
2015-11-17T19:27:07 < rewolff> Hmm. ok. jubatus: because the flash is designed to work even with HSI disabled.
2015-11-17T19:27:15 < upgrdman_> the code run a timer isr, and that isr talked to some other periphals. those other peripheral were not yet initialized, so until they got initialized, talking to them cause hard faults :)
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2015-11-17T19:28:34 < upgrdman_> i think on an stm32 it would have just silently failed, no hard faults. for on the lpc im fucking with, if you fuck with registers of powered-down peripherals, you can trigger faults.
2015-11-17T19:28:45 < rewolff> Old flash chips/CPUs used to require a voltage of say "12V" to be able to program the flash. Nowadays this voltage is generated on-chip. I'm guessing that HSI needs to be running for that to work.
2015-11-17T19:29:48 < TheSeven> I guess it's for flash write timing etc.
2015-11-17T19:29:54 < rewolff> -> It's not just used as a "clock" for the module that works wherever it comes from, but it is some analog shit attached to HSI that needs to be working.
2015-11-17T19:30:35 < TheSeven> you'd want to inject or drain current for a certain amount of time, and HSI is the clock source that the bootloader runs on, that is active under reset, and that has a known frequency
2015-11-17T19:31:15 < rewolff> I don't think modern "flash" algorithms require a clock for timing. As in: it doesn't matter what clock you give it. It's probably "try to write until it reads back as what you want", and then do it 2x longer.
2015-11-17T19:31:43 < TheSeven> yeah, but you need some kind of cycle clock for that as well
2015-11-17T19:32:07 < TheSeven> for the readback attempts etc.
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2015-11-17T19:32:20 < rewolff> Yeah, but then "any" clock would do. Your flash was working when you fetched the instruction for write-to-flash, wasn't it?
2015-11-17T19:32:23 < TheSeven> and I guess you don't want that to depend on CPU speed, especially at very low CPU speeds
2015-11-17T19:32:43 < TheSeven> read timing is much less critical
2015-11-17T19:33:02 < TheSeven> but assume the AHB would be running at 32kHz or something - that might fry the flash
2015-11-17T19:35:42 < rewolff> Agreed. At 32kHz, 30 microseconds clock cycle, the resolution would be too low to get "typical 53, max 60uS flash programming time".
2015-11-17T19:36:12 < rewolff> But you STILL would not fry the flash. You might cause each cycle to "count for two".
2015-11-17T19:38:42 < zygron_> ahah Reece Crowther made the mistake of updating his facebook page following the Paris attacks
2015-11-17T19:38:52 < zygron_> "Marco Secchi Hi where did the money you collected for the Zano equal to 12,000+ backer for more than 2M disappeared?? would you mind to share??"
2015-11-17T19:39:20 < zygron_> "Torsten Giese seams that you are still alive - or is a ghost writing here on FB?
2015-11-17T19:39:20 < zygron_> remember all of your 12k+ bakers who give you $2m+ to get the Zano into reality."
2015-11-17T19:39:40 < upgrdman_> s/backers/retards
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2015-11-17T21:19:03 < Laurenceb> lol zano
2015-11-17T21:19:11 < Laurenceb> why did they take so long to do a runner
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2015-11-17T21:27:07 < mitrax> Laurenceb: i'm under the impression Reedman fooled everyone with his BS, including himself :) they didn't have a prototype ready before the KS campain and lied about it etc but i'm convinced the other guys thought he would pull it off eventually...
2015-11-17T21:29:19 < mitrax> that's the only explanation that makes sense... why would they bother for 10 months, spend money to produce some units, buy expensive hardware...
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2015-11-17T21:34:15 < jubatus> the photograph of the 3 of them together makes me think this whole project was the result of too many beers
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2015-11-17T21:40:41 < celeron55_> so... i'm trying to get into these stm32 things and stumbled upon a problem
2015-11-17T21:41:45 < celeron55_> i have a crappy stlink v2 clone that i'm using to flash an STM32F070CBT6
2015-11-17T21:42:45 < celeron55_> it worked fine for a while, using openocd; but then i happened to flash a program that, while i didn't intend to and still don't know how the code did it, apparently made SWCLK to be an output
2015-11-17T21:43:15 < celeron55_> and now it turned out that this crappy stlink cannot output a hardware reset signal
2015-11-17T21:43:21 < celeron55_> it just won't do it
2015-11-17T21:43:25 < celeron55_> so... what can i do
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2015-11-17T21:45:31 < celeron55> i guess one option would be to buy an stlink that actually has working RST output; altough i have no way of knowing if one works or not before trying
2015-11-17T21:46:35 < kakimir> what you mean it won't output reset signal?
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2015-11-17T21:47:33 < kakimir> btw. does it have these reset mode options that programmers like jlink have?
2015-11-17T21:47:36 < celeron55> the RST line is just floating
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2015-11-17T21:48:15 < celeron55> i have configured openocd with "reset_config srst_only srst_nogate"; i think that should enable the hardware reset
2015-11-17T21:48:15 < kakimir> you have pullup in your design?
2015-11-17T21:48:29 < celeron55> i don't
2015-11-17T21:48:33 < kakimir> or is it required?
2015-11-17T21:49:21 < celeron55> it stays at 3.3V without a pull-up and i can pull it down myself, in which case SWCLK stops being an output but then the chip obviously doesn't listen to anything the programmer is saying
2015-11-17T21:49:37 < celeron55> i guess it needs proper timing
2015-11-17T21:51:06 < celeron55> this is exactly what i am using: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/ST-Link-V2-Mini-Cascara-STM8-STM32-programacion-Emulador-Downloader-20cm-linea-/321874746382?hash=item4af13adc0e
2015-11-17T21:51:49 < celeron55> and i'm using openocd 0.8.0 and openocd 0.10.0-dev-00108-g64802b7
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2015-11-17T21:52:43 < celeron55> i don't have any windows machines around for testing
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2015-11-17T22:03:20 < mtbg> hi
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2015-11-17T22:16:29 < kakimir> is there other boot methods and have you monitored if repluging would leave reset initially low?
2015-11-17T22:18:26 < zyp> celeron55, that's not obvious
2015-11-17T22:18:36 < zyp> it should respond to swd even with reset asserted
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2015-11-17T22:24:29 < PaulFertser> celeron55: crappy stlink clone is a known issue and there's a solution.
2015-11-17T22:25:09 < PaulFertser> celeron55: first thing, you can manually pull target's reset low while trying to connect with openocd and "connect_assert_srst", deasserting at the right time might need several tries but you can manage that.
2015-11-17T22:25:28 < PaulFertser> celeron55: another is to flash a special stlink firmware version modified for the crappy clones.
2015-11-17T22:25:29 < upgrdman> reset_config srst_only srst_nogate connect_assert_srst <<< is what i use
2015-11-17T22:25:38 < upgrdman> oh, paul beat me to it
2015-11-17T22:26:10 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: yes, but that doesn't work with the stupid clone unless he flashes special firmware to it.
2015-11-17T22:26:22 < upgrdman> it works with my stupid clone
2015-11-17T22:26:59 < PaulFertser> Not all clones are created equal :)
2015-11-17T22:27:44 < PaulFertser> celeron55: unfortunately, upgrading stlink firmware will require windows, but for the time being, you can manually pull srst low by tweezers or whatever.
2015-11-17T22:27:50 < upgrdman> mine looks the same, but ya, i agree.
2015-11-17T22:29:28 < celeron55> zyp: it seems to respond something but i get stuff like "Error: 403 1017 target.c:2794 target_wait_state(): timed out while waiting for target halted"
2015-11-17T22:29:28 < celeron55> also, i am not sure what kind of stuff i should put in the openocd procedure; i had something that worked before but it clearly doesn't work now with this issue
2015-11-17T22:29:39 < celeron55> i'll stuff some stuff into a pastebin once i get my DNS working and can open one to begin with...
2015-11-17T22:30:44 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: btw, after changing the servo I flight some < 10 times, then realised the bearings in one of my blade "clips" have no balls at all, so it has too much free play, exchanged it with another bearing that's not that important and now I'm about to tune the rods length because it jumps like made (feels like the pitch abruptly changes) on any swash plate movement.
2015-11-17T22:31:05 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-11-17T22:31:35 < upgrdman> all check the swashplate bearing
2015-11-17T22:31:36 < PaulFertser> celeron55: telling you, you need to manually assert srst with tweezers, then deassert at about the right time when openocd is trying to connect (running "reset halt")
2015-11-17T22:31:48 < upgrdman> if the inner or outer rings are loose on the BB you can have problems
2015-11-17T22:32:03 < upgrdman> s/all/also
2015-11-17T22:32:19 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I will, thank you for the advice.
2015-11-17T22:32:22 < upgrdman> sure
2015-11-17T22:32:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: so far, it seems like basic skills of hovering are possible to obtain without a sim...
2015-11-17T22:32:49 < upgrdman> sure
2015-11-17T22:32:59 < celeron55> PaulFertser: i have attempted that; it results in a yet another kind of error
2015-11-17T22:33:00 < upgrdman> i flew for a year before i got a sim
2015-11-17T22:33:06 < PaulFertser> celeron55: several times?
2015-11-17T22:33:38 < PaulFertser> celeron55: I clearly remember doing that trick successfully before openocd got connect_assert_srst support.
2015-11-17T22:33:49 < celeron55> so this is my openocd.cfg http://fpaste.org/291581/47792248/ and this is what i get when i try to use it when reset is pulled down all the time: http://fpaste.org/291582/44779229/
2015-11-17T22:34:36 < PaulFertser> celeron55: I suggest you use "program" instead of reset+erase+flash write_image etc.
2015-11-17T22:34:47 < PaulFertser> celeron55: you need to deassert at the right moment.
2015-11-17T22:34:51 < celeron55> is there an example somewhere
2015-11-17T22:35:14 < celeron55> openocd is quite obscure to me
2015-11-17T22:36:15 < PaulFertser> celeron55: I mean if your stlink doesn't have srst signal, you just pull reset down manually (pushbutton or whatever) but you must deassert it at about the right time.
2015-11-17T22:36:35 < PaulFertser> celeron55: after "waiting for target halted"
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2015-11-17T22:38:50 < PaulFertser> celeron55: openocd is supposed to be transparent for those who read the official manual ;)
2015-11-17T22:38:58 < celeron55> now i managed to do that with connect_assert_srst, which was what i didn't manage to do before without it
2015-11-17T22:39:28 < celeron55> without connect_assert_srst i get "Debug: 561 592 stlink_usb.c:402 stlink_usb_error_check(): unknown/unexpected STLINK status code 0x16"
2015-11-17T22:39:48 < celeron55> after letting reset go up when it's waiting for target halted
2015-11-17T22:40:07 < PaulFertser> celeron55: of course you're supposed to use connect_assert_srst if you need to connect to an uncooperative target (that supports the facility).
2015-11-17T22:40:34 < PaulFertser> celeron55: so problem sort of solved
2015-11-17T22:40:37 < PaulFertser> ?
2015-11-17T22:42:01 < celeron55> well you said you managed to do it without it, so i guess me not managing to do it is a thing
2015-11-17T22:43:22 < upgrdman> assuming you are going to program (not just debug) is there a good reason not to always connect under reset?
2015-11-17T22:44:07 < PaulFertser> celeron55: I'm not sure how exactly I managed it, and it was certainly with an older version, things might have changed since then.
2015-11-17T22:44:35 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: no, for stm32 devices at least.
2015-11-17T22:44:43 < upgrdman> k
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2015-11-17T22:53:55 < celeron55> this really is a sad excuse for a programmer though; explains the price
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2015-11-17T22:54:11 < upgrdman> what don't you like about it?
2015-11-17T22:59:10 < celeron55> combined with my sad excuse for openocd configuration and my sad excuse for an stm32 board, it barely works 8)
2015-11-17T22:59:31 < celeron55> i guess this is mostly a matter of getting used to things though
2015-11-17T22:59:32 < upgrdman> ya its annoying to get software working at first, but its trivial afterwards
2015-11-17T22:59:56 < upgrdman> also, the software wouldn't be any easier with a $$ genuine st link or some other programmer
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2015-11-17T23:01:05 < __rob2> ohh dear
2015-11-17T23:01:20 < celeron55> well... i wouldn't have had to fight against a misrouted RST; but other than that, i guess it would be the same
2015-11-17T23:01:54 < __rob2> mis wired a cable and put 14v into spi on a stm32, hear a pop, paniced, knocked a scalpel onto the board, shorted the buck regulator which burst into flame briefly
2015-11-17T23:02:06 < __rob2> bugger.
2015-11-17T23:02:08 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-17T23:02:26 < __rob2> just wondering if the whole board is dead
2015-11-17T23:02:30 < __rob2> all the other ics
2015-11-17T23:02:33 < __rob2> if its worth starting over
2015-11-17T23:02:39 < celeron55> anwyay, i now managed to flash a version of my code on the stm32 that doesn't set swclk as output and know how to do that in the future; now i can continue where i left
2015-11-17T23:02:40 < __rob2> or just reworking
2015-11-17T23:04:51 < MightyPork> you could also just buy one of those cheap Nucleos and use the SWD header it has. better than some clone from ebay
2015-11-17T23:05:08 < celeron55> __rob2: usually when you do that the high voltage goes to the main power supply line on the board via the clamping diode of the pin
2015-11-17T23:05:12 < upgrdman> MightyPork, how is it better?
2015-11-17T23:05:15 < MightyPork> can get one for like $15
2015-11-17T23:05:21 < MightyPork> well it'll have all pins working
2015-11-17T23:05:26 < upgrdman> the clones are small, cheap and i've had one for 2 years without problems
2015-11-17T23:05:27 < celeron55> __rob2: unless the power supply on the board has a way of clamping a lot of excess current to ground
2015-11-17T23:05:33 < celeron55> __rob2: like... a zener diode
2015-11-17T23:09:34 < Rob235> anyone use ws2812b leds? This is my signal which should set the first two leds to red but instead sets the first led to a light purple, third led to yellow, and the 17th led to green....  http://imgur.com/Vp6S97I
2015-11-17T23:10:34 < Rob235> could my wires be too long? what is too long
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2015-11-17T23:13:05 < MightyPork> not sure if it can help you but I have some debugging notes about those strips here https://www.ondrovo.com/electro/avr-lib/rgb
2015-11-17T23:13:14 < Rob235> thanks i'll check it out
2015-11-17T23:14:14 < MightyPork> generally boils down to wrong timing, they're really picky
2015-11-17T23:14:50 < Rob235> you have high of .9 us and low of .35 us.  where did you get these numbers? I've seen .8 and .4 and .7 and .35
2015-11-17T23:15:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUzFuc2JtZUxmOUk/view?usp=sharing oven update: foot construction
2015-11-17T23:16:32 < MightyPork> think it's from the datasheet, but it always took fine tweaking to get it right.
2015-11-17T23:16:54 < Rob235> maybe thats what i should mess around with
2015-11-17T23:16:57 < MightyPork> hm I see the code links are dead there,, but it's for AVR anyway
2015-11-17T23:17:15 < Rob235> these strips are a pain in the ass hah
2015-11-17T23:17:25 < MightyPork> heres the code if you want to check. https://github.com/MightyPork/avr-lib/blob/master/lib/wsrgb.c
2015-11-17T23:17:35 < MightyPork> also the header next to it
2015-11-17T23:17:57 < MightyPork> yea not easy to interface. Also seems each strip has a bit different timing xD
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2015-11-17T23:18:18 < Rob235> ehh my code seems to work ok based on my signal, if you had a logic analyzer screenshot to show the signal that would help but i dont expect you to have one :)
2015-11-17T23:19:04 < MightyPork> well I have a scope, but dont really know how to set it up for capturing digital signal
2015-11-17T23:19:44 < MightyPork> might try to rig something up
2015-11-17T23:19:53 < Rob235> i'll try with the .9 and .35 and see if anything changes
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2015-11-17T23:21:35 < MightyPork> the numbers may be wrong, ofc. I'll see if I can get this old arduino working again and capture it
2015-11-17T23:27:54 < Rob235> my input voltage is 5v but my signal is only 3.3v would that matter?
2015-11-17T23:34:32 < MightyPork> input as in Vcc?
2015-11-17T23:36:22 < Rob235> yea, powering the stm32 via usb/laptop and the leds with a lipo
2015-11-17T23:37:41 < Rob235> i just set the first two leds to white so that it only outputs 1's and varied the duty cycle for a 1 from .9 us down to .65 us and nothing happened, not even a flicker
2015-11-17T23:38:06 < MightyPork> well check the datasheet, I'm not sure if they're using TTL or CMOS levels. if it's CMOS you're out of luck
2015-11-17T23:38:15 < MightyPork> I'm driving it from 5V ATmega
2015-11-17T23:38:37 < MightyPork> btw got it working, got a fancy rainbow on my desk. let's see if I can measure the timing
2015-11-17T23:38:59 < Rob235> im jealous :/
2015-11-17T23:40:23 < Rob235> weird, if I just plug in the battery and leave the signal of the strips disconnected then random lights just light up
2015-11-17T23:40:54 < MightyPork> I read they take 0.7*Vdd as high
2015-11-17T23:41:01 < MightyPork> 3.5V
2015-11-17T23:41:06 < MightyPork> you need a driver
2015-11-17T23:41:38 < Rob235> hmm or I can lower the vcc to 3.3v and just have dimmer leds right
2015-11-17T23:41:53 < MightyPork> https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/WS2812B.pdf
2015-11-17T23:41:59 < MightyPork> needs 3.5V as supply
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2015-11-17T23:44:23 < MightyPork> hmmm let's see how to use cursors on thsi thing. I'll have the timings for you in a moment
2015-11-17T23:44:52 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371432213255?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=640506846081&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2015-11-17T23:45:13 < Rob235> says 5v but would explain why the leds that do turn on bright get really hot.  how can I drop down to 3.3v?
2015-11-17T23:45:48 < MightyPork> hm they shouldnt get hot at 5V...
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2015-11-17T23:46:22 < Rob235> hmmm
2015-11-17T23:47:32 < Rob235> why doesn't anything ever work
2015-11-17T23:48:21 < Rob235> what could cause them getting hot?
2015-11-17T23:51:53 < Rob235> omg
2015-11-17T23:51:56 < MightyPork> Okay, so: T_0_high = 380-400ns, T_1_high = 840-880ns. T_bit = 2μs
2015-11-17T23:51:59 < Rob235> i was using a 12v ubec instead of the 5v
2015-11-17T23:52:06 < MightyPork> oh god
2015-11-17T23:52:08 < MightyPork> rip leds
2015-11-17T23:52:22 < Rob235> im an idiot :P
2015-11-17T23:52:37 < MightyPork> they have 5.3V Absolute Maximum™
2015-11-17T23:52:57 < MightyPork> write down the timings ^ wont do it again :P
2015-11-17T23:53:02 < Rob235> they still light up when I connect a battery, did I not fry them or can they still be damaged and light up
2015-11-17T23:53:15 < Rob235> got it thanks
2015-11-17T23:53:18 < MightyPork> no clue, I treat mine nicely so cant tell
2015-11-17T23:53:30 < Rob235> haha i'll connect the 5v ubec and see what happens
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2015-11-17T23:54:05 < MightyPork> 12*0.7 would explain why 3.3 didnt work lol
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2015-11-17T23:59:18 < MightyPork> Rob235: any luck?
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2015-11-18T00:07:50 < Rob235> yup its working
2015-11-18T00:08:00 < Rob235> i think i fried the other 72 leds though :P
2015-11-18T00:08:49 < MightyPork> damn. always a shame when pretty things get ruined...
2015-11-18T00:09:16 < MightyPork> so works ok with 3.3V input and 5V power?
2015-11-18T00:09:47 < Rob235> yea
2015-11-18T00:10:42 < Rob235> needs some tweaking, but i dont think thats the problem
2015-11-18T00:10:51  * MightyPork takes a note
2015-11-18T00:10:59 < MightyPork> will be handy wehn I try doing this with an ARM
2015-11-18T00:12:22 < Rob235> i set 5 colors: red, blue, red, blue, red and it was fine, just changed the first and last to green and it went weird, went back to r/b/r/b/r and now the first, third, and fifth are purple and 2nd/4th are off
2015-11-18T00:13:35 < Rob235> your period is 2us and not 1.25us?
2015-11-18T00:13:45 < MightyPork> dont forget it's not RGB. only thing I can think of..
2015-11-18T00:13:51 < MightyPork> well there's no upper limit
2015-11-18T00:13:57 < MightyPork> only the reset length
2015-11-18T00:14:04 < MightyPork> should be okay up to like 5 us
2015-11-18T00:14:49 < MightyPork> it's a slow 16 MHz atmega, so it's doing some bit shifting when it has the time ;)
2015-11-18T00:14:57 < Rob235> i increased the high duty cycle and i think its working, let me try another color string
2015-11-18T00:16:07 < Rob235> is it grb? i'm confused
2015-11-18T00:16:27 < MightyPork> yep think so
2015-11-18T00:16:32 < MightyPork> I remember thinking it's pretty dumb
2015-11-18T00:17:02 < Rob235> ohhh nvm its bgr
2015-11-18T00:17:13 < MightyPork> like couldn't they swap the two diodes for it to make sense
2015-11-18T00:17:25 < rewolff1> Its arbitrary for a computer, and would've been nice for the programmers. On the other hand, you get to program it once, and then the RGB->BRG is somewhere hidden deep in the code somewhere.
2015-11-18T00:17:42 < MightyPork> I'm sure mine start with green
2015-11-18T00:18:07 < rewolff1> whatever, I'm playing with them at the moment, and I've hidden that stuff... deep in the code somewhere....
2015-11-18T00:18:29 < MightyPork> yep once you have the library done dont need to touch it anymore
2015-11-18T00:19:10 < MightyPork> (but if it was "correct", it could save you a few cycles)
2015-11-18T00:19:27 < rewolff1> Ha! Today I first tested that stuff with the level shifter attached. Until yesterday I was driving them with 3.3V, and it worked, today I'm driving them with 5V data and it still works. :-)
2015-11-18T00:20:01 < MightyPork> the datasheet must be lying then when it says they work only above 3.5V...
2015-11-18T00:20:17 < rewolff1> Yes, Of course it is.
2015-11-18T00:21:29 < rewolff1> (official CMOS specs say if you want to guarantee that a high is detected as a 1, you need at least 0.7*VCC. In practise most chips switch from seeing a "0" to seeing a "1" pretty close to VCC/2. But between 0.3 and 0.7*VCC: No guarantees. )
2015-11-18T00:21:56 < celeron55> okay so... now the other part of my problem: i am using STM32F070CBT6, and i am trying to set up gpio in the way i want; everything is fine when i set some GPIOB pins as outputs; however, when i set PA15 as output, SWCLK seems to be set as output and hardware reset is needed for programming
2015-11-18T00:22:01 < celeron55> SWCLK is at PA14
2015-11-18T00:22:07 < celeron55> why is this happening?
2015-11-18T00:22:18 < MightyPork> you might get some nasty side effects if you use 0.3-0.7
2015-11-18T00:22:36 < MightyPork> thats where the two transistors are sorta open at the same time
2015-11-18T00:22:37 < rewolff1> My plan is: until you've really debugged everything, don't reprogram PA14 and PA15.
2015-11-18T00:22:48 < rewolff1> Keep them as debug.
2015-11-18T00:23:25 < rewolff1> In any case, if you switch AF for one of the SWD pins, you lose SWD. Seems plausible.
2015-11-18T00:23:37 < celeron55> uh
2015-11-18T00:23:44 < TheSeven> celeron55: post your code... you're likely trashing parts of a GPIO config register that deal with adjacent pins
2015-11-18T00:23:46 < celeron55> PA15 isn't an SWD pin
2015-11-18T00:23:57 < rewolff1> Oh. sorry. yeah.
2015-11-18T00:24:05 < rewolff1> Just checked. It's pa13/14.
2015-11-18T00:24:38 < MightyPork> what is F070? M0?
2015-11-18T00:24:49 < rewolff1> yeah.
2015-11-18T00:24:58 < TheSeven> btw, rewolff1, I can confirm that WS2812B is happy with 3.3V signals. maximum parasitic capacitance limit will be lower of course
2015-11-18T00:25:11 < rewolff1> I'm more "into" 072, but 070 should be close. :-)
2015-11-18T00:26:01 < MightyPork> I'm playing with a L100 now, pretty nice
2015-11-18T00:26:03 < TheSeven> rewolff1: the LEDs will work at 3.3V supply voltage as well, just not as bright and the colors will be off (blue has a bit of trouble)
2015-11-18T00:26:09 < TheSeven> but the control logic part works just fine
2015-11-18T00:26:28 < rewolff1> Mine crash when the powersupply decides > 3A is enough. :-)
2015-11-18T00:27:00 < MightyPork> can't use max brightness :P
2015-11-18T00:27:27 < MightyPork> driving it from USB, it's even more "fun"..
2015-11-18T00:27:47 < celeron55> if i add this code, the problem occurs; if i don't, it does not occur: http://fpaste.org/291618/79913014/
2015-11-18T00:27:55 < celeron55> it does not occur with for example PA0 when done the same way
2015-11-18T00:28:24 < celeron55> that's using the whatever vendor HAL library
2015-11-18T00:28:28 < MightyPork> ugh you're using "HAL"
2015-11-18T00:29:43 < MightyPork> I don't really trust that heap of spaghetti
2015-11-18T00:30:04 < rewolff1> I've used PA15 on my '072 board. It's a "GPIO" of the board.
2015-11-18T00:30:08 < celeron55> i have found some pretty nasty parts in it; this one seems relatively sane though
2015-11-18T00:31:21 < rewolff1> Ah. On my currently-attached-to-the-debugger board PA15 is a lonely unused pin.
2015-11-18T00:31:47 < rewolff1> (So it's hard for me to attach a led to verify output functionality.)
2015-11-18T00:33:11 < MightyPork> Maybe the F0 HAL is nicer but I just opened the F3 one and holy cow
2015-11-18T00:33:54 < MightyPork> if there was a competition for inefficient code, this is a sure win
2015-11-18T00:34:27 < rewolff1> I just added:
2015-11-18T00:34:27 < rewolff1>   palSetPadMode(GPIOA, 15, PAL_MODE_OUTPUT_PUSHPULL |
2015-11-18T00:34:27 < rewolff1>                            PAL_STM32_OSPEED_HIGHEST);
2015-11-18T00:34:27 < rewolff1> to the source of my current project, and I can still debug.
2015-11-18T00:34:52 < celeron55> rewolff1: you have working hardware reset in use though, right?
2015-11-18T00:35:28 < rewolff1> Yeah. But htat's inactive as long as I don't issue "monitor jtag reset " or something like that.
2015-11-18T00:35:37 < rewolff1> (hidden in a macro somewhere).
2015-11-18T00:36:24 < rewolff1> If the debugger issues a reset to gain back control, the chip would actually RESET, right?
2015-11-18T00:36:41 < MightyPork> should
2015-11-18T00:38:13 < rewolff1> (I'm pretty sure it works that way. The chip RESETs to reset state and that causes the PA13/14 pins to revert to RESET functionality: SWD).
2015-11-18T00:38:28 < celeron55> oh, lol, oops
2015-11-18T00:38:40 < celeron55> there's a short from PA14 to PA15 in my board
2015-11-18T00:38:42 < celeron55> well no wonder
2015-11-18T00:38:52 < rewolff1> That might explain things. :)
2015-11-18T00:39:27 < rewolff1> using 070R? They are right next to eachother.
2015-11-18T00:39:37 < rewolff1> Are they too on other packages?
2015-11-18T00:39:48 < celeron55> they are next to each other on this one, yes
2015-11-18T00:41:11 < rewolff1> Checked: PA14/15 are next to each other on all packages.
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2015-11-18T00:54:00 < TheSeven> yes, 13/14 (the two SWD lines) are usually on two corner pins (with some supply pins in between)
2015-11-18T01:06:22 < Rob235> does dma reset itself when it overflows? I disable the dma and associated timer on transfer complete interrupt then it executes a function that updates the led colors and re-enables the dma and timer.  this isn't working, it sends out one set of data fine but then the signal just stays low
2015-11-18T01:08:58 < TheSeven> I think the DMA can be configured to loop a buffer, or to stop when hitting the end
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2015-11-18T01:09:29 < TheSeven> I have some code for driving these things with double buffering, calculating bit timing data on the fly
2015-11-18T01:10:03 < TheSeven> you might be interested in that: https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/device/ws2811/stm32/ws2811_stm32.cpp
2015-11-18T01:10:09 < TheSeven> (feel free to cherrypick whatever you want)
2015-11-18T01:10:22 < MightyPork> DMA circular mode, I use that for waveform generation
2015-11-18T01:10:41 < MightyPork> btw you're driving it with DMA? How do you get the timing?
2015-11-18T01:10:56 < Rob235> thanks i'll check it out.  yea i was going to switch to circular later
2015-11-18T01:11:01 < TheSeven> DMA basically updates PWM duty cycle
2015-11-18T01:11:05 < Rob235> memory isn't really an issue so i wasnt worried about it
2015-11-18T01:11:15 < Rob235> dma sets the CCR register
2015-11-18T01:11:20 < Rob235> thats how i have it set up
2015-11-18T01:11:31 < TheSeven> the code above will run with as little as 4 pixels worth of DMA buffer, and just the binary pixel data for the whole strip in memory of course
2015-11-18T01:11:54 < TheSeven> (that code can also handle up to 4 strips in parallel)
2015-11-18T01:12:01 < MightyPork> so each DMA tick it sets PWM and runs one cycle?
2015-11-18T01:12:07 < TheSeven> yes
2015-11-18T01:12:17 < TheSeven> timer triggers DMA, and DMA adjusts timer PWM duty cycle
2015-11-18T01:12:25 < MightyPork> hm. will have to look into that. in the atmega it was all just NOP loops and stuff
2015-11-18T01:12:30 < TheSeven> DMA half completion triggers code that generates more timing data
2015-11-18T01:12:40 < Rob235> timer triggers dma on ccr which sets the new ccr
2015-11-18T01:13:05 < MightyPork> ah the same timer is used for PWM and timing the DMA??
2015-11-18T01:13:10 < TheSeven> yep
2015-11-18T01:13:31 < Rob235> yea ive seen code like that before, just wanted to get everything working first
2015-11-18T01:13:34 < MightyPork> way too smart
2015-11-18T01:13:40 < TheSeven> it basically streams duty cycle data from RAM, and triggers an interrupt every few pixels to generate more duty cycle data (that's the messy assembly code at the bottom)
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2015-11-18T01:14:47 < TheSeven> somehow managed to squeeze all of that into the thumb2 accessible registers
2015-11-18T01:14:48 < Rob235> my leds arent consistent though, the first two leds are usually weird and sometimes If I hit the reset button the leds swap between the correct colors and another set of colors
2015-11-18T01:14:51 < MightyPork> whut __attribute__((optimize("-Os","-fomit-frame-pointer"))) I didnt even know you can do that
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2015-11-18T01:15:21 < TheSeven> actually I *have* to do that to make gcc obey the register asm("rX") things properly
2015-11-18T01:15:34 < TheSeven> otherwise it will try to reserve some regs for internal stuff that I don't have to spare for that
2015-11-18T01:16:20 < upgrdman_> does c or gcc have any way to warn at compile time if an assignment will not be atomic?
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2015-11-18T01:18:05 < MightyPork> the assembly block looks super messy.. what is the 3b in bne 3b ? (I'm used to ARM asm..)
2015-11-18T01:20:19 < TheSeven> label 3 backward
2015-11-18T01:20:28 < TheSeven> it kinda sucks that you can't have non-numeric local labels in arm asm
2015-11-18T01:20:44 < MightyPork> this is gcc asm, no?
2015-11-18T01:20:48 < MightyPork> *gnu
2015-11-18T01:20:49 < MightyPork> or whatever
2015-11-18T01:20:56 < MightyPork> the labels with colon are not ARM
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2015-11-18T01:21:44 < TheSeven> hm, anyway I'm not aware of a way to specify local non-numeric labels in that asm style
2015-11-18T01:23:01 < MightyPork> just wondering.. I haven't tried inline asm for ARM yet... only all asm or all c
2015-11-18T01:23:11 < MightyPork> after seeing this I know I dont want to :D
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2015-11-18T01:30:35 < TheSeven> well the advantage of this is that even a tiny stm32f030f4p6 (sub-$1) can receive serial or DMX pixel data while driving 2 LED strips
2015-11-18T01:31:06 < TheSeven> a DMX-to-WS2811 bridge is actually one of the applications that I built around my f030 tssop20 devboard
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2015-11-18T02:10:41 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-11-18T02:14:41 < mtbg> aaahi
2015-11-18T02:14:45 < mtbg> oops
2015-11-18T02:14:46 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-18T02:19:11 < kakimir> dongs is here
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2015-11-18T02:54:42 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2015-11-18T02:54:43 < Laurenceb> http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk
2015-11-18T02:57:31 < Laurenceb> “One of the 40 bloggers who really count.”-London Times
2015-11-18T02:57:36 < Laurenceb> I rofld
2015-11-18T02:59:02 < kakimir> it wont open
2015-11-18T02:59:08 < kakimir> if my filters too much
2015-11-18T02:59:09 < kakimir> is
2015-11-18T02:59:51 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-11-18T03:00:29 < Laurenceb> just hundreds of pages of tldr
2015-11-18T03:02:32 < aandrew> lol
2015-11-18T03:02:53 < aandrew> ghostery blocks something critical on that page. I just get a long blank page with a loading circle
2015-11-18T03:03:04 < aandrew> translation: it's not worth reading
2015-11-18T03:03:07 < Sync> :D
2015-11-18T03:03:36 < kakimir> I boycott everything that doesn't load with all filters on
2015-11-18T03:03:47 < kakimir> I rather pay a penny to see it
2015-11-18T03:05:19 < kakimir> I think there should be a kind of internet wallet you could pay content with
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2015-11-18T03:06:29 < karlp> wow. finally starting to make sense of these shitty esp8266 tools
2015-11-18T03:06:42 < kakimir> not paypal but kind of click to throw a penny to this website and then content loads
2015-11-18T03:07:11 < kakimir> or it could even do it automatically
2015-11-18T03:08:14 < kakimir> no..
2015-11-18T03:08:22 < kakimir> internets should be free
2015-11-18T03:08:47 < kakimir> you would throw it a penny and it would not show you ad dirt
2015-11-18T03:10:17 < kakimir> karlp: what you are trying to do out of that crap?
2015-11-18T03:10:28 < karlp> leds on the internet y0
2015-11-18T03:10:36 < BrainDamage> fun fact, ghostery actually helps ad makers with the ghostrank :p
2015-11-18T03:11:07 < BrainDamage> it reports back to them how effective are your adblock filters and provides feedback about which content got loaded
2015-11-18T03:11:30 < kakimir> what isghostery
2015-11-18T03:11:34 < karlp> fun cat, the internet is shit :)
2015-11-18T03:12:06 < kakimir> I rather have my web pages in orginal html format
2015-11-18T03:12:22 < kakimir> scripts off
2015-11-18T03:12:51 < BrainDamage> ghostery is an a "privacy" extension that blocs some crap, which was mentioned less than 20 lines ago in the backlog
2015-11-18T03:13:27 < kakimir> adblock?
2015-11-18T03:14:25 < aandrew> BrainDamage: if you enable that, yes
2015-11-18T03:14:54 < BrainDamage> back when i installed it, it was enabled by default
2015-11-18T03:14:57 < aandrew> to be honest I really do not mind ads, and I mind targeted ads even less. I'm happy to have some ad supported content
2015-11-18T03:15:24 < aandrew> what I am not happy with is ad content that is 40x the size of the content I'm after, is obtrusive, popups, popunders, social share this shit bullshit
2015-11-18T03:15:34 < kakimir> I have never bought anything advertised
2015-11-18T03:19:01 < kakimir> how about 5sec full screen?
2015-11-18T03:20:41 < karlp> I wish I saw ads before I'd bought the product, isntead of searching for days, buying something, then getting ads for that product every day for the next two months
2015-11-18T03:21:19 < kakimir> hey
2015-11-18T03:21:37 < kakimir> it should say that this particular product is what you want to buy
2015-11-18T03:21:49 < kakimir> so nice
2015-11-18T03:22:00 < karlp> so I can flash some versions of the AT command shits, can't get nodemcu to flash though.
2015-11-18T03:22:03 < karlp> worthless
2015-11-18T03:22:39 < kakimir> maybe even before you know it you want it
2015-11-18T03:24:20 < kakimir> lua rulez karlp ?
2015-11-18T03:28:15 < karlp> it's ok, certainy easier to make a quick haky led on/off thing in than learning some new api.
2015-11-18T03:28:19 < karlp> at least, that was the plan
2015-11-18T03:28:34 < karlp> but I can flash some "demo" apps and the AT command set, butnot the nodemcu bins :)
2015-11-18T03:28:56 < kakimir> you write lua on stm32 too?
2015-11-18T03:29:14 < karlp> not me, I have smaller stm32s than ds2
2015-11-18T03:29:30 < karlp> I thought I'd run some lua to get up and going first.
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2015-11-18T03:37:28 < emeb_mac> how much flash / sram is needed for running lua?
2015-11-18T03:37:58 < karlp> not sure, ds2 runs it on an f4 iirc,
2015-11-18T03:38:55 < karlp> really should try it one day.
2015-11-18T03:46:06 < kakimir> do st have proper api for stm32?
2015-11-18T03:46:22 < kakimir> generally uniform stuff
2015-11-18T03:55:52 < kakimir> just drivers?
2015-11-18T03:56:06 < kakimir> "drivers"
2015-11-18T03:56:11 < kakimir> headers
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2015-11-18T04:36:13 < Rob235> for the ws2812b leds this is the dma buffer. http://pastebin.com/0zFhgyzK  z = 0% duty cycle, h = 1 = 64% duty cycle, l = 0 = 28% duty cycle.  if those first 12 bits aren't set to z it shifts the colors a tiny bit extra (for GRB the B would be shifted to the next leds G value).  I can also change one of the z's to a h to get the first led to green or red and it works.  Any ideas whats going on?
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2015-11-18T05:26:18 < upgrdman> cars keys are symmetrical but most other keys are not. any idea why?
2015-11-18T05:28:36 < Bright> cars cost money?
2015-11-18T05:30:02 < upgrdman> even expensive door locks aren't symmetrical though
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2015-11-18T06:09:49 < upgrdman> yo
2015-11-18T06:21:11 < dongs> wat
2015-11-18T06:21:14 < dongs> ivan reedman committed usicide
2015-11-18T06:24:13 < englishman> link
2015-11-18T06:24:31 < englishman> are you taking credit for this?
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2015-11-18T06:31:22 < upgrdman> who the fuck is ivan?
2015-11-18T06:33:10 < upgrdman> who the fuck is ivan?
2015-11-18T06:34:35 < englishman> R2COM irl
2015-11-18T06:34:53 < upgrdman> This webpage is not available
2015-11-18T06:34:53 < upgrdman> ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED
2015-11-18T06:35:11 < upgrdman> heh, now it magically works
2015-11-18T06:35:40 < upgrdman> so this russian faggot killed himself?
2015-11-18T06:37:11 < upgrdman> zano ivan?
2015-11-18T06:37:34 < upgrdman> and he offed himself because of zano failure?
2015-11-18T06:37:47 < yan_> where is this info from?
2015-11-18T06:37:52 < upgrdman> dongs
2015-11-18T06:43:47 < yan_> Conceptual question: I'm trying to figure out what the best way is to read from a uart in an RTOS task (freertos, but not relevant). I was doing blocking reads, but then the entire time the process is spent running checking for USART ready flags. I'd like to do it in an interrupt, but then I'd need to make the usart irq handler be protocol aware.. (i.e. keep reading into buffer and only give the semaphore
2015-11-18T06:43:50 < yan_> when it reached the end of the message).. I can also just write in the handler to a local buffer, and have the task read from that, but then it still ends up running continuously, only it's polling a local buffer instead of uart flags
2015-11-18T06:44:37 < yan_> a part of me thinks usart should write to buffer and only give give mutex when it starts adding to the local buffer when the buffer is empty, which means the reading task should be blocking since it read everything
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2015-11-18T07:01:16 < dongs> holy fuck
2015-11-18T07:01:21 < dongs> instead of just using DVB-S2
2015-11-18T07:01:26 < dongs> japs are rolling thier own shit for 8K satellite transmission
2015-11-18T07:01:35 < dongs> god damn fucking idiots
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2015-11-18T07:08:02 < yan_> lenovo 900, msft surface, or macbook pro imho
2015-11-18T07:08:54 < englishman> surface pro is neat if you want a laptop thats really difficult to use while on your lap
2015-11-18T07:09:29 < englishman> isnt theres some superior russian alternative
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2015-11-18T07:20:35 < Rob235> with ws2812b do you initialize a transfer somehow or just start transmitting the bits
2015-11-18T07:20:59 < Rob235> and does it matter if its low or high when idle?
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2015-11-18T07:22:23 < englishman> isnt this like 3rd page of 5 page datasheet
2015-11-18T07:25:51 < Rob235> not that i see
2015-11-18T07:30:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, the surface bro 4 seems like a good option
2015-11-18T07:30:33 < upgrdman> you can do one 4k direct, or using the cocking station for dual 4k monitors
2015-11-18T07:39:17 < Rob235> what site would you use to post a quick video
2015-11-18T07:39:39 < Rob235> is there something like imgur for vids?
2015-11-18T07:40:41 < englishman> youtube, vimeo, gfycat
2015-11-18T07:52:37 < Rob235> https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7idl2xd4fnufpu/ws2812b.mp4?dl=0
2015-11-18T07:52:50 < Rob235> it shouldnt be animated at all, should be 1/3 red then 1/3 white then 1/3 blue
2015-11-18T07:53:06 < Rob235> but its not synced somehow
2015-11-18T07:53:57 < Rob235> yea
2015-11-18T07:54:33 < Rob235> i have it only set up to refresh at 3hz
2015-11-18T07:54:40 < Rob235> while testing
2015-11-18T07:57:05 < Rob235> but theres something going on in the beginning of signal transmission.  If I disable refreshing it at all I can replace the first 12 bits to a 0% duty cycle instead of the 30% or so duty cycle it should be to specify a '0' but all other bits as they should be.  I have no idea why this works, I was just doing tests and came across it
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2015-11-18T08:33:52 < Rob235> ok its mostly stable now but still flickers sometimes
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2015-11-18T09:17:16 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_2.mp4
2015-11-18T09:17:19 < Rob235> still flickering grr
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2015-11-18T10:27:08 < MightyPork> Rob235 transmission starts with the 50us reset pulse, that's all there is afaik
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2015-11-18T10:51:45 < jadew> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/16/firefighter-receives-full-face-transplant-historic-surgery?CMP=fb_gu
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2015-11-18T11:35:57 < Ecco> https://pp.vk.me/c7004/v7004388/126ba/1jMXOOWeYUA.jpg
2015-11-18T11:42:47 < mitrax> ahahaah
2015-11-18T11:44:01 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-11-18T13:47:17 < mervaka> who was that profsimm guy? triggered a highlight last friday, only just now checking irc ;/
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2015-11-18T14:59:49 < dongs> guize zano is over!111
2015-11-18T14:59:57 < dongs> Dear Backers, Following recent events, the board members have considered carefully the technical, commercial and financial viability of the Zano project. Having explored all options known to us, and after seeking professional advice, we have made the difficult decision to pursue a creditors voluntary liquidation.
2015-11-18T15:00:03 < dongs> All creditors will be contacted by an insolvency practitioner next week. We are greatly disappointed with the outcome of the Zano project and we would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has supported us during this difficult period, especially our loyal employees whose commitment has exceeded all expectations.
2015-11-18T15:01:06 < mitrax> dongs: where is that?
2015-11-18T15:01:11 < mitrax> kickstarter?
2015-11-18T15:01:14 < ReadError> which project will you devote you hate to next?
2015-11-18T15:01:31 < fenugrec> lazor razer ?
2015-11-18T15:02:17 < dongs> mitrax: dickstarter
2015-11-18T15:02:31 < Sync> kek
2015-11-18T15:02:37 < dongs> tho i got the text off facebook group
2015-11-18T15:02:41 < dongs> cuz that shit is for backers only
2015-11-18T15:02:42 < ReadError> so.....no refunds ?
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2015-11-18T15:12:50 < Sync> nope
2015-11-18T15:14:38 < stukdev> is there an advice about the arm gnu toolchain? i mean i see many version of it, what is reccomanded?
2015-11-18T15:15:31 < englishman> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2015-11-18T15:15:34 < dongs> ^ taht
2015-11-18T15:18:21 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivan-reedman-7b159237
2015-11-18T15:18:22 < dongs> heh
2015-11-18T15:18:25 < dongs> seldf-imploed
2015-11-18T15:18:34 < dongs> Passionate creator and inventor of technology
2015-11-18T15:18:34 < dongs> Self - Employed
2015-11-18T15:18:34 < dongs> November 2015 . Present (1 month)United Kingdom
2015-11-18T15:18:43 < dongs> iventor of technology
2015-11-18T15:18:46 < dongs> what the fuck title is that
2015-11-18T15:18:53 < dongs> is this a guy who just creates bullshit
2015-11-18T15:20:15 < stukdev> englishman: that is the site of the gcc, but st recommended one version or not?!? use the last stable everytime ?
2015-11-18T15:20:27 < dongs> ???
2015-11-18T15:20:30 < dongs> stukdev: yes.
2015-11-18T15:20:35 < dongs> use latest.
2015-11-18T15:20:41 < dongs> generally they;re OK
2015-11-18T15:20:45 < stukdev> ok
2015-11-18T15:20:49 < dongs> if you hit a bug, you will know
2015-11-18T15:21:41 < Laurenceb> yay no moar zano
2015-11-18T15:22:35 < englishman> i wish i was a welsh liquidation company right now
2015-11-18T15:23:07 < Laurenceb> why
2015-11-18T15:23:10 < dongs> Well this sucks, such a rip off. KS we want action, time you stepped up and did some work for your cut. Your brand is severely damaged by the actions of this lot, there is at least 12,000 off us that want to see some sort of response from you now is the time to show you care about us poor backers.
2015-11-18T15:23:10 < stukdev> dongs: lol
2015-11-18T15:23:20 < Laurenceb> youd have to deal with a building full of useless shit
2015-11-18T15:23:33 < dongs> that scope is worth something
2015-11-18T15:23:42 < dongs> around 100k if I remember right
2015-11-18T15:23:45 < dongs> who identified it
2015-11-18T15:23:46 < englishman> ^
2015-11-18T15:23:48 < dongs> it was some lecroy thing or something
2015-11-18T15:23:50 < englishman> just to get an inventory list
2015-11-18T15:23:52 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-11-18T15:23:59 < dongs> i'll take the PIC32 programmer
2015-11-18T15:24:01 < Laurenceb> wonder if they will be selling it cheap
2015-11-18T15:24:03 < dongs> maybe i can hax it to flash nazes
2015-11-18T15:24:05 < dongs> that would be gr8
2015-11-18T15:24:12 < englishman> if theres an auction we can send you Laurenceb
2015-11-18T15:24:17 < dongs> yess
2015-11-18T15:24:26 < dongs> Laurenceb can be official torquing shit buyer
2015-11-18T15:24:28 < dongs> will paypal
2015-11-18T15:24:29 < Laurenceb> lol ok
2015-11-18T15:25:06 < dongs> gillSpie 27 minutes ago
2015-11-18T15:25:06 < dongs> Bankrupt is one thing but fraud is another and they have lied over and over to the backers. They need to go to jail.
2015-11-18T15:25:09 < Laurenceb> dunno who the liquidators are or anything
2015-11-18T15:25:10 < dongs> hahaahhaah
2015-11-18T15:25:10 < dongs> i remember this guyt
2015-11-18T15:25:11 < dongs> was posting
2015-11-18T15:25:13 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-11-18T15:25:15 < dongs> OMG ZANO IS SOM AMAZING
2015-11-18T15:25:15 < dongs> comments
2015-11-18T15:25:17 < dongs> lemme find them
2015-11-18T15:26:12 < Laurenceb> heh http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/torquing-group-poised-for-growth-2031708
2015-11-18T15:26:30 < dongs> oh hm maybe not
2015-11-18T15:26:36 < dongs> Laurenceb: thats old
2015-11-18T15:26:50 < Laurenceb> no shit
2015-11-18T15:26:51 < dongs> The only way is up for Torquing.
2015-11-18T15:26:53 < dongs> lulz
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2015-11-18T15:27:36 < dongs> Sal Gammaro 30 minutes ago
2015-11-18T15:27:36 < dongs> Being Furious is an understatement!!! It was suppose to arrive in June and now it is nearly 6 months later with this decision?!?!?! I want my money back WITH interest!!! Class Action Lawsuit is the way to go!!!
2015-11-18T15:27:40 < dongs> haha
2015-11-18T15:30:49 < __rob2> anyone seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkbhjXTbOEa
2015-11-18T15:30:52 < __rob2> looks amazing
2015-11-18T15:31:09 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-11-18T15:31:15 < Laurenceb> the voiceover
2015-11-18T15:31:26 < Laurenceb> so aussie m8
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2015-11-18T15:31:45 < dongs> is that zano
2015-11-18T15:31:58 < __rob2> looks like these guys have one actually working too
2015-11-18T15:32:06 < __rob2> amazing quality footage for so small
2015-11-18T15:32:28 < dongs> http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/picviewbig.asp?Image_ID=14907&language=
2015-11-18T15:32:29 < dongs> this is teh scope
2015-11-18T15:32:45 < __rob2> maybe wortht driving to wales
2015-11-18T15:32:49 < __rob2> with £1000 in cash
2015-11-18T15:33:00 < Laurenceb> or catch the train
2015-11-18T15:33:05 < Laurenceb> for £1000 in cash
2015-11-18T15:33:17 < __rob2> am in london so its easy enuf to drive across
2015-11-18T15:33:21 < Laurenceb> ah cool
2015-11-18T15:33:43 < __rob2> should really rent a van
2015-11-18T15:33:45 < __rob2> haha
2015-11-18T15:33:59 < __rob2> bet there are some quality scraps there
2015-11-18T15:34:08 < __rob2> especially as it would seem all the money has gone
2015-11-18T15:34:43 < __rob2> so they've likely spent it on a nice setup.. can't imaging boxes of those zanos would have eaten all the 2 mil
2015-11-18T15:35:14 < Laurenceb> don't know where you look to find out about auctions
2015-11-18T15:35:33 < Laurenceb> I guess someone is going to have to publicise it once its organised
2015-11-18T15:35:52 < __rob2> do feel a bit sorry for them
2015-11-18T15:36:22 < __rob2> looks like they basically put all their eggs in one basket (ivan) and the rest of the crew we're probably sucked in same as the kickstarters
2015-11-18T15:36:43 < __rob2> everyone trusted his word that he could deliver
2015-11-18T15:37:52 < mitrax> __rob2: yup
2015-11-18T15:37:53 < __rob2> i'm sure the 'irreconcilable differences' were the rest of the board members etc kicking off at him for bullshitting
2015-11-18T15:38:13 < Laurenceb> more like kicking him out of the door
2015-11-18T15:38:19 < __rob2> hes quite convincing, that drone video dongs pasted from 4 years ago sounds like hes already built zano 2
2015-11-18T15:38:20 < ReadError> isnt it his company? lol
2015-11-18T15:38:25 < mitrax> __rob2: i really think that guy is delusional
2015-11-18T15:38:26 < ReadError> steve jobs'd
2015-11-18T15:38:29 < __rob2> think they took on extra capital
2015-11-18T15:38:36 < __rob2> so there will be multiple board members
2015-11-18T15:38:43 < mitrax> __rob2: zano 2 with 3D MAPPING!
2015-11-18T15:39:13 < __rob2> even that reece guy, was likely just peddling the bullshit ivan told him
2015-11-18T15:39:24 < __rob2> hes just a mouth, so not really his fault
2015-11-18T15:41:45 < __rob2> lol
2015-11-18T15:43:09 < jubatus> just look at these guys: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_4893.jpg
2015-11-18T15:43:26 < jubatus> How can you not trust them. That image positively reeks of dependability.
2015-11-18T15:43:34 < __rob2> australians ...
2015-11-18T15:43:43 < __rob2> last plumber I hired was astralian and he was shiit
2015-11-18T15:43:57 < ReadError> nice rape whistle, bro
2015-11-18T15:45:24 < mitrax> for devices discovery on a bus where colission can occur, can you think of any other way beside the obvious: master sends discovery request, slaves wait for a value between 0 and N milliseconds chosen at random and answer back (other slaves cancel the wait if data transit on the bus during the wait), master assigns local address to the device that answered, then sends a new discovery request
2015-11-18T15:45:24 < mitrax> and so on until no more device answer
2015-11-18T15:45:32 < mitrax> err colission/colision
2015-11-18T15:45:45 < dongs> __rob2: err, but ivan is a clueless fuck
2015-11-18T15:45:49 < __rob2> http://zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=161
2015-11-18T15:45:52 < dongs> HE is the reason they bought all the fucking PIC32s ands hit
2015-11-18T15:45:52 < jubatus> minds much greater than ours have solved that problem a long time ago
2015-11-18T15:45:52 < __rob2> mabye already pasted
2015-11-18T15:45:55 < __rob2> but looks over now
2015-11-18T15:46:02 < __rob2> right, to the cashpoint!
2015-11-18T15:46:04 < dongs> __rob2: yeah i pasted like 30minsago
2015-11-18T15:46:22 < dongs> Jason Bly about 2 hours ago
2015-11-18T15:46:23 < dongs> Wow. Expecting to have a zano in my hands by Christmas. Completely stunned. What is our next course of action with this?
2015-11-18T15:46:26 < dongs> haha
2015-11-18T15:46:47 < __rob2> well its a ltd company
2015-11-18T15:46:47 < dongs> This is outrageous. Completely out of the blue without any reason ? As we have never been informed at all about any financial difficulties (and this project got a LOT more than they originally needed to raise and planned with), this has an extremely bad taste of fraud and/or diversion of bankruptcy. If any backers in the UK will file suit I consider supporting this as a matter of principle.
2015-11-18T15:46:49 < __rob2> even if you do sue
2015-11-18T15:46:53 < dongs> lol
2015-11-18T15:47:00 < __rob2> you get the same, as its liquidated
2015-11-18T15:47:07 < karlp> mitrax: that's a really common way, hard part is detecting whether there were collisions or not sometimes
2015-11-18T15:47:13 < __rob2> so there is 0 recourse
2015-11-18T15:47:26 < __rob2> unless they have actually done anything criminal
2015-11-18T15:47:35 < __rob2> unforunately, incompetance isn't
2015-11-18T15:47:37 < jubatus> CSMACD!!
2015-11-18T15:48:20 < jubatus> hmm that's not master-slave
2015-11-18T15:48:37 < karlp> sure it is, just everone's a master :)
2015-11-18T15:48:56 < mitrax> karlp: i ended up implementing modbus as you recommended so colision are detected easily
2015-11-18T15:49:11 < Laurenceb> if everyone is a master, who picks the cotton?
2015-11-18T15:49:13 < mitrax> karlp: or maybe it was jpa-? don't remember
2015-11-18T15:50:05 < karlp> I mentioned it as being the reason the de/_RE pins are separate, so you can do that if you want :)
2015-11-18T15:50:13 < dongs> WTF !!! Please refund us asap, by order of pledge !
2015-11-18T15:50:13 < dongs> I'm so disappointed ! I expected it so much, so this Zano was incredible. F**K !!!
2015-11-18T15:51:00 < __rob2> aww, cant read their offical statement
2015-11-18T15:51:02 < __rob2> backers only
2015-11-18T15:51:56 < mitrax> what i'm wondering is what's a reasonable minimum delay for the discovery timeout
2015-11-18T15:52:01 < dongs> rob, i pasted it
2015-11-18T15:52:05 < dongs> scroll up
2015-11-18T15:52:11 < dongs> its like 4 sentences
2015-11-18T15:52:21 < englishman> ^ zano backer
2015-11-18T15:52:23 < jubatus> https://www.change.org/p/ivan-reedman-reece-crowther-david-cameron-mp-carwyn-jones-zano-drone-refund-biggest-drone-kickstarter-is-biggest-fraud?recruiter=422966464
2015-11-18T15:52:30 < jubatus> "We have proof that your concept cannot deliver what was promised by experts examining the platform and programming you are using."
2015-11-18T15:52:33 < jubatus> experts = dongs ?
2015-11-18T15:52:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/tbZ0Lf60.html
2015-11-18T15:52:56 < __rob2> paste it again :)
2015-11-18T15:53:00 < dongs> ^
2015-11-18T15:53:03 < __rob2> ohh right
2015-11-18T15:53:09 < __rob2> so same as the email on the forum
2015-11-18T15:53:20 < dongs> yes
2015-11-18T15:53:29 < dongs> jubatus: maybe :)
2015-11-18T15:54:00 < stukdev> wtf...where is the stdlib.c in the source file?!?!? is there a lot of .bz2
2015-11-18T15:54:03 < mitrax> btw what's a good source of randomness that i could use as a seed on STM32?
2015-11-18T15:54:29 < dongs> mitrax: adc noise
2015-11-18T15:54:36 < dongs> there's a few usb RNG stick projects on stm32
2015-11-18T15:54:39 < jpa-> mitrax: hardware RNG on the ones that have it, ADC on others (bias it to input/2 with resistors)
2015-11-18T15:54:41 < dongs> that use adc noise as source/seed
2015-11-18T15:54:53 < karlp> stukdev: as in most cases, what goes into stdlib is not a single file, but many files...
2015-11-18T15:55:18 < stukdev> karlp: dho...i want view the itoa source file
2015-11-18T15:55:30 < mitrax> oh neat the STM32F4 has one
2015-11-18T15:55:50 < karlp> eeprom ;)
2015-11-18T15:59:47 < stukdev> karlp: found it! src\newlib.tar\newlib\newlib\newlib\libc\stdlib
2015-11-18T16:00:14 < jpa-> such pro
2015-11-18T16:13:50 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34858171
2015-11-18T16:13:52 < dongs> bbc has an arrticle already
2015-11-18T16:14:15 < mitrax> blown: that's a new one
2015-11-18T16:14:29 < __rob2> what I dont get is that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTFfB7w_KSU) actually does seem to work
2015-11-18T16:14:31 < __rob2> quite well
2015-11-18T16:14:50 < __rob2> be interesting to know what exactly was the problem, apart from the flight time
2015-11-18T16:15:18 < jpa-> indoors is a pretty easy environment
2015-11-18T16:15:30 < __rob2> ahhh
2015-11-18T16:15:38 < __rob2> so it was just the capability outside ?
2015-11-18T16:15:42 < __rob2> or lack of
2015-11-18T16:15:48 < jpa-> no, it was a dozen things
2015-11-18T16:16:01 < dongs> __rob2: that entire video is bullshit
2015-11-18T16:16:12 < jpa-> crappy camera and lack of camera gimbal meant that the kind of videos that were promised in the campaign are not possible at all
2015-11-18T16:16:18 < __rob2> well.. I dont believe that
2015-11-18T16:16:29 < __rob2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs4pR_DuyeY
2015-11-18T16:16:46 < __rob2> the other guys on here, I can't believe would put their reputation and employablity on the line aswell
2015-11-18T16:16:50 < jpa-> bullshit as in, the stuff shown there is not particularly impressive or useful
2015-11-18T16:16:53 < __rob2> if there wasn't *something* there
2015-11-18T16:17:07 < dongs> yes, what jpa said
2015-11-18T16:17:15 < dongs> you could do this with a $20 chinadrone
2015-11-18T16:17:19 < dongs> they dint do anything groundbreaking
2015-11-18T16:17:21 < __rob2> yea, I know nothing about drones
2015-11-18T16:17:30 < dongs> now if they pushed a button
2015-11-18T16:17:30 < __rob2> so I dont know what the state of hte art is
2015-11-18T16:17:33 < dongs> and it hovered indoors
2015-11-18T16:17:37 < dongs> within like 2cm circle
2015-11-18T16:17:40 < jpa-> for example, the obstacle avoidance in the video only works for targets that go back 2 meters when the drone is about to hit
2015-11-18T16:18:16 < __rob2> ahh, so its too lagged
2015-11-18T16:18:16 < jpa-> __rob2: i don't think employers are going to count zano that much against the people
2015-11-18T16:18:31 < jpa-> they were able to make it popular, it failed, so what - they will not study the details
2015-11-18T16:18:32 < dongs> none of hte people employed at zano were any useful tho
2015-11-18T16:18:40 < dongs> they were random retards that had no previous useful work experience
2015-11-18T16:18:47 < dongs> like that jordan duwa or whatever
2015-11-18T16:18:50 < jpa-> __rob2: nah, the obstacle avoidance sensor range is uselessly short
2015-11-18T16:18:52 < dongs> who was hired as pcb designer
2015-11-18T16:19:00 < dongs> he hasnt touched any PCB cad software in his fucking entier life
2015-11-18T16:19:04 < dongs> not even eagle
2015-11-18T16:19:22 < dongs> he was sitting there in teh video
2015-11-18T16:19:27 < dongs> talkign about packing components on pcb
2015-11-18T16:19:29 < __rob2> just tried to call them... no answer
2015-11-18T16:19:29 < dongs> or something
2015-11-18T16:19:31 < emeryth> dongs: did you doxx them all?
2015-11-18T16:19:32 < dongs> totally random irrelvant shit
2015-11-18T16:19:41 < dongs> emeryth: nah i had a list but there was nothign intereasting
2015-11-18T16:19:46 < dongs> they all had/.have dickedin profiles
2015-11-18T16:19:49 < dongs> tehy were just empty mostly
2015-11-18T16:19:52 < __rob2> really want a nice tectronix scope
2015-11-18T16:19:58 < dongs> zero experinece, online schools diplomas and shit
2015-11-18T16:20:18 < dongs> i'll sell you my DPO4034
2015-11-18T16:20:58 < __rob2> those one they have look like £10,000 ones
2015-11-18T16:21:05 < ReadMobl> http://www.banggood.com/JiZZ-GX16-Waterproof-LED-Backlight-Mechanical-Handfeel-Gaming-Keyboard-p-976896.html
2015-11-18T16:21:11 < __rob2> https://youtu.be/gs4pR_DuyeY?t=28
2015-11-18T16:21:18 < __rob2> 2 fans!!
2015-11-18T16:21:28 < __rob2> must be good
2015-11-18T16:21:28 < dongs> __rob2: thats a lecroy or something
2015-11-18T16:21:30 < dongs> someone in here identified it
2015-11-18T16:21:32 < dongs> its more like 100k$
2015-11-18T16:21:35 < __rob2> really
2015-11-18T16:21:41 < __rob2> looks like Techtronix logo top corner
2015-11-18T16:21:44 < dongs> no
2015-11-18T16:21:48 < dongs> oh maybe
2015-11-18T16:21:59 < __rob2> also lecroy are usually black
2015-11-18T16:22:05 < __rob2> no ?
2015-11-18T16:22:20 < __rob2> dont look that much as I dont have a budget for a scope, starting at £10,000
2015-11-18T16:22:32 < dongs> ah
2015-11-18T16:22:33 < __rob2> http://uk.tek.com/oscilloscope/dpo70000-mso70000
2015-11-18T16:22:35 < dongs> its MSO70000
2015-11-18T16:22:36 < dongs> right
2015-11-18T16:22:37 < __rob2> that look lik ti
2015-11-18T16:22:51 < __rob2> hmm
2015-11-18T16:22:54 < __rob2> fans are different
2015-11-18T16:22:59 < dongs> PRICE STARTING FROM
2015-11-18T16:22:59 < dongs> US $39,900 - US $307,000
2015-11-18T16:23:16 < __rob2> handy for deubggging the spi on a drone
2015-11-18T16:24:21 < dongs> http://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/dpo7000-digital-phosphor-oscilloscope could be this too
2015-11-18T16:24:26 < dongs> ah yeah that looks more liek it
2015-11-18T16:24:27 < __rob2> dong, its the dpo7000c
2015-11-18T16:24:28 < __rob2> yea it is
2015-11-18T16:24:29 < dongs> same fan grille
2015-11-18T16:24:32 < __rob2> check out the fan hole
2015-11-18T16:24:33 < __rob2> hehe
2015-11-18T16:24:44 < __rob2> but whcih one
2015-11-18T16:24:50 < __rob2> 500mhz to 3.5ghz
2015-11-18T16:24:50 < dongs> still pretty good
2015-11-18T16:24:55 < __rob2> likely the 3.5ghz
2015-11-18T16:25:00 < ReadMobl> The vid of their developer
2015-11-18T16:25:14 < ReadMobl> Ssh into rpi
2015-11-18T16:25:27 < ReadMobl> Changing directories
2015-11-18T16:25:37 < dongs> rm -rf /lunix
2015-11-18T16:25:50 < __rob2> wow, that one starts at $18,000
2015-11-18T16:26:00 < __rob2> 3.5ghz is  40k
2015-11-18T16:26:43 < __rob2> if i got it think i'd sell it
2015-11-18T16:26:55 < dongs> i upgraded to MDO4104-6
2015-11-18T16:26:56 < __rob2> get a cheper one and a few zanos with the money
2015-11-18T16:27:04 < dongs> still ned to sell my DPO4034
2015-11-18T16:28:02 < __rob2> nice scope dongs
2015-11-18T16:28:14 < dongs> i had a real ancient agilent analyzer
2015-11-18T16:28:23 < __rob2> I got the rigols ds2302A
2015-11-18T16:28:53 < dongs> blown i dunno
2015-11-18T16:28:55 < dongs> it was paypal'd
2015-11-18T16:29:10 < dongs> and its not the B model so it doesnt do USB analyzis
2015-11-18T16:29:28 < __rob2> prob with buying a blown scope on here ..
2015-11-18T16:29:32 < __rob2> .. if it was fixable
2015-11-18T16:30:24 < jadew> dongs, why do you want to sell it?
2015-11-18T16:30:35 < dongs> jadew, cuz i have the mdo
2015-11-18T16:30:47 < jadew> wait, what are you trying to sell?
2015-11-18T16:30:54 < jadew> I thought you want to sell the MDO
2015-11-18T16:30:57 < jadew> ah
2015-11-18T16:31:17 < jadew> which is what?
2015-11-18T16:31:43 < dongs> DPO4034 is my old one
2015-11-18T16:31:53 < dongs> blown: my only complaint on mdo is
2015-11-18T16:32:03 < dongs> RF and spectrum parts share capture buffers
2015-11-18T16:32:08 < dongs> and if you do > 100k points
2015-11-18T16:32:12 < dongs> RF becomes unusably slow
2015-11-18T16:32:16 < dongs> like we;re talking seconds to refresh
2015-11-18T16:32:39 < dongs> so if youre doing anything that involves rf + regular channels, better do it at like 10k-100k captures
2015-11-18T16:33:02 < jadew> dongs, what scope did you have before?
2015-11-18T16:33:13 < dongs> jadew: i told it like 3 times already look at my last message
2015-11-18T16:33:20 < dongs> < dongs> DPO4034 is my old one
2015-11-18T16:33:31 < jadew> I just woke up and tried to read the scrollback but it's full of garbage that obscures that info
2015-11-18T16:33:34 < jadew> thanks
2015-11-18T16:34:29 < dongs> ther was somthign else
2015-11-18T16:34:31 < dongs> about cursors
2015-11-18T16:34:34 < dongs> trying to remember wat
2015-11-18T16:35:04 < dongs> not in front of it now so dont reember. not show stopper but annoying.
2015-11-18T16:35:07 < jadew> they jump around when it's slow?
2015-11-18T16:35:16 < dongs> nah when its slow its just slow
2015-11-18T16:35:19 < dongs> very low refresh.
2015-11-18T16:35:30 < dongs> i mean it has 20M poinst mode
2015-11-18T16:35:34 < dongs> but i dont think i ever botehred that
2015-11-18T16:35:40 < dongs> in RF mode it'd probly take a year to update
2015-11-18T16:35:49 < dongs> its pretty awful in regular analog hcannels mode already
2015-11-18T16:36:06 < dongs> i think 1M is about the least usable in analog mode, above that it gets chunky
2015-11-18T16:36:12 < dongs> and 100k rfor rf
2015-11-18T16:36:22 < dongs> but you canyt have separate capture buffers so its same or nothing
2015-11-18T16:36:42 < jadew> dongs, can you set the number of points separately?
2015-11-18T16:36:52 < dongs> i just said you cant
2015-11-18T16:37:01 < dongs> ah, also the 'limits/test' app doesnt work in rf mode
2015-11-18T16:37:19 < dongs> i wanna bea ble to take reference waveform and compare it wiht current
2015-11-18T16:37:30 < dongs> i think it has reference stuff but not as advanced as test/limits
2015-11-18T16:37:42 < jadew> well, separate buffers may mean different memory locations
2015-11-18T16:37:44 < dongs> basically RF shit was added in as afterthought-kinda thing and UI is lacking a bit
2015-11-18T16:37:52 < dongs> jadew: they're not separate tho
2015-11-18T16:37:56 < dongs> i mean not in terms of capture length
2015-11-18T16:38:09 < jadew> what you're saying sounds like "it takes a lot to compute the RF spectrum when you have a lot of RF points"
2015-11-18T16:38:36 < dongs> correct
2015-11-18T16:38:42 < dongs> but the problem is
2015-11-18T16:38:47 < dongs> your analog capture is same length
2015-11-18T16:38:48 < jadew> I guess they could update the firmware and take less RF snapshots
2015-11-18T16:39:30 < jadew> I suppose averaging that would still mean sampling the RF stuff the entire time tho
2015-11-18T16:39:34 < jadew> hmm
2015-11-18T16:39:36 < dongs> donno
2015-11-18T16:39:40 < dongs> im surwe they had reasons
2015-11-18T16:40:01 < jadew> yeah, you can't do it otherwise
2015-11-18T16:40:18 < jadew> they could have thrown more power at it I suppose, for this specific case
2015-11-18T16:40:43 < jadew> like... a couple more DSPs
2015-11-18T16:40:43 < dongs> ueah they're using shitty xilinx or altera thing with hard PPC core
2015-11-18T16:40:56 < dongs> thats waht runseverthing
2015-11-18T16:40:58 < dongs> on lunix :(((((
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2015-11-18T16:44:54 < Sync> dongs: imx6 on that beotch
2015-11-18T16:45:05 < dongs> nope
2015-11-18T16:45:08 < Sync> wat
2015-11-18T16:45:09 < dongs> on the B model yes
2015-11-18T16:45:12 < Sync> ah yeah
2015-11-18T16:45:15 < Sync> not in the a
2015-11-18T16:45:18 < dongs> i duno why tehy keep fucking doing that shit
2015-11-18T16:45:29 < dongs> PPC and ARM, musth e hard to maintain all that lunix trash
2015-11-18T16:45:32 < dongs> on separate platforms
2015-11-18T16:45:53 < Sync> nah
2015-11-18T16:46:30 < Sync> although they fixed my bug
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2015-11-18T17:01:29 < stukdev> where can i found the data type size of gnu arm eabi? is there some header file?
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2015-11-18T17:24:31 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunaHY9oqdc <- better swarming than zano
2015-11-18T17:26:20 < dongs> isnt nrk those trolls
2015-11-18T17:26:38 < zyp> you can think of nrk as norway's bbc
2015-11-18T17:26:46 < zyp> or something
2015-11-18T17:28:50 < dongs> http://mashable.com/2015/11/18/kickstarter-drone-zano-folds/
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2015-11-18T17:40:33 < Laurenceb> haha wtf
2015-11-18T17:40:56 < Laurenceb> Norway quads just fly and die
2015-11-18T17:41:06 < dongs> he managed to bind them all to same tx
2015-11-18T17:41:07 < dongs> lol
2015-11-18T17:41:10 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-18T17:41:14 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-11-18T17:41:26 < zyp> «what would happen if I tied seven quadrotors to the same transmitter?»
2015-11-18T17:41:28 < dongs> whichis probly just a chinkdrone "feature"
2015-11-18T17:41:28 < Laurenceb> but zano quad just sits on a table and wifi browns out
2015-11-18T17:41:53 < dongs> i twatted @ lantronix
2015-11-18T17:41:59 < dongs> asking if they want 12k xpicowifis back
2015-11-18T17:42:06 < dongs> thats gotta be a sizeable chunk of cash
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2015-11-18T18:08:42 < ReadError> so kind of you to help with the twerking group liquidation sale
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2015-11-18T18:18:53 < englishman> i dont see any tweets
2015-11-18T18:18:57 < englishman> god damn twitter is so hard to use
2015-11-18T18:20:23 < dongs> dicktronix twatter you have to click 'twats and replies'
2015-11-18T18:20:24 < dongs> to see it.
2015-11-18T18:20:30 < dongs> cuz i started it with @dictronix
2015-11-18T18:24:57 < englishman> still dont see
2015-11-18T18:25:01 < englishman> neither on your twitter
2015-11-18T18:25:57 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/666991608013852673
2015-11-18T18:26:22 < englishman> nice
2015-11-18T18:26:41 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/4EAbsUV.png <-- awesome web design in 2015
2015-11-18T18:26:51 < englishman> cTn is spinning in his grave
2015-11-18T18:27:02 < dongs> twatter
2015-11-18T18:27:23 < ReadError> dongs, did you see the new CF condongulator ?
2015-11-18T18:27:38 < dongs> why would i even care
2015-11-18T18:27:46 < dongs> did clifton clean up even more shit?
2015-11-18T18:27:57 < ReadError> nah some pro UX guy did a bunch of shit
2015-11-18T18:28:30 < englishman> i dont see your tweet on @flyzano #zano or @kickstarter either
2015-11-18T18:28:36 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-18T18:28:43 < dongs> you dont see it unless they rpely i think
2015-11-18T18:28:53 < englishman> even on #zano tho
2015-11-18T18:28:57 < englishman> arent pound signs different
2015-11-18T18:29:03 < ReadError> @ is user
2015-11-18T18:29:05 < englishman> it goes to a search instead of a user page
2015-11-18T18:29:05 < ReadError> # is tag
2015-11-18T18:29:12 < dongs> you wont see @zano
2015-11-18T18:29:14 < kakimir> englishman: it's your ault
2015-11-18T18:29:14 < dongs> er #zano
2015-11-18T18:29:16 < dongs> cuz i didnt tag that sht
2015-11-18T18:29:18 < kakimir> dont use 4k
2015-11-18T18:29:25 < dongs> o wait i did
2015-11-18T18:29:35 < englishman> dont use 4k lol
2015-11-18T18:29:45 < englishman> is that like apple phone and holding it wrong
2015-11-18T18:29:57 < englishman> i guess lantronix webdevs are using 1024x768
2015-11-18T18:30:18 < ReadError> fun fact: iphones dont have reboot buttons cuz shit works
2015-11-18T18:31:58 < englishman> unless you want to put an sd card in it?
2015-11-18T18:32:13 < englishman> i think next phone will be blackberry
2015-11-18T18:32:55 < karlp> ReadError: that was the idea, yes....
2015-11-18T18:35:49 < kakimir> lackberry with kb is interesting concept
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2015-11-18T18:47:08 < dongs> http://shop.flyzano.com/
2015-11-18T18:47:37 < kakimir> why would they do that
2015-11-18T18:47:45 < kakimir> you simply dont stop money
2015-11-18T18:47:54 < kakimir> coming in
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2015-11-18T20:29:58 < Tectu> why would you ever name your company ´Double D Electronics´...
2015-11-18T20:30:04 < Tectu> UK company, must be Laurenceb
2015-11-18T20:30:31 < Steffanx> Triple D is more like swiss?
2015-11-18T20:30:50 < Tectu> not getting that one...
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2015-11-18T20:32:12 < jpa-> nah, swiss is b-class electronics
2015-11-18T20:32:48 < jpa-> or is it about bra size? some like b, others like dd?
2015-11-18T20:33:26 < Tectu> hah :D
2015-11-18T20:33:58 < Tectu> just waiting to see how long it takes you to come up with a µ (micro) joke that goes along with that
2015-11-18T20:34:59 < jpa-> b-class electronics is so bad that it only has a single µF of filter capacitance, but they tried to hide it by adding G and X to the mix
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2015-11-18T20:35:46 < d0ngs> Tectu: MICROCOCKS!
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2015-11-18T20:37:20 < mitrax> Tectu: hi by the way
2015-11-18T20:37:42 < Tectu> hi ;)
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2015-11-18T20:39:49 < mitrax> gah i want my old passive cpu heatsink back :(
2015-11-18T20:41:12 < mitrax> it's really annoying to have the fan speed change with the cpu load
2015-11-18T20:41:41 < jpa-> if it is under software control, you can tune it to be less sensitive
2015-11-18T20:41:46 < Tectu> just unplug the fan or put a toothpick between the blades
2015-11-18T20:41:49 < jpa-> i.e. more averaging
2015-11-18T20:42:08 < Tectu> or what jpa- said
2015-11-18T20:42:23 < BrainDamage> you can always bolt in a gigantic heatsink
2015-11-18T20:42:40 < jpa-> you might also hire tectu to blow at the heatsink
2015-11-18T20:43:40 < mitrax> BrainDamage: that's what i had before my mobo died... but it wasn't compatible with the socket of the new motherboard
2015-11-18T20:43:41 < mitrax> jpa-: ahahaaha
2015-11-18T20:44:00 < mitrax> Tectu: i'll try the toothpick!
2015-11-18T20:46:27 < jpa-> http://pastebin.com/vSZ8VAbk   pastebin is full now
2015-11-18T20:46:40 < jpa-> 2^31 pastes, no more pasting
2015-11-18T20:47:04 < Tectu> better use dongspaste
2015-11-18T20:47:09 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-18T20:47:56 < Tectu> board_init(g, &((fbPriv *)g->priv)->fbi);    :/
2015-11-18T20:49:16 < jpa-> hmm pastebin still works with links and dillo
2015-11-18T20:50:29 < mitrax> what's dillo?
2015-11-18T20:51:24 < jpa-> a new super modern browser
2015-11-18T20:51:50 < Tectu> ´´Dillo is a minimalistic web browser particularly intended for older or slower computers and embedded systems.´´
2015-11-18T20:52:01 < BrainDamage> it's a strong opponent to lynx
2015-11-18T20:52:06 < Tectu> seems like dillo would fix your fan problem, mitrax
2015-11-18T20:52:24 < mitrax> hmm yeah
2015-11-18T20:52:28 < jpa-> i used to use dillo a lot
2015-11-18T20:52:32 < jpa-> maybe i should start again
2015-11-18T20:52:39 < mitrax> i should ditch firefox anyway, it's fucking slow
2015-11-18T20:52:48 < Tectu> chrome <3
2015-11-18T20:53:07 < mitrax> fuck google, i'm not using their shit
2015-11-18T20:53:18 < Tectu> duckduckgo much?
2015-11-18T20:54:10 < mitrax> i should, but no...still using their search engine
2015-11-18T20:54:32 < jpa-> so what do you have against chromium?
2015-11-18T20:54:44 < jpa-> does the filth from the coders keyboard stick to the application?
2015-11-18T20:56:33 < mitrax> jpa-: no it's probably a fine browser but i'm tired of them enforcing the disappearance of e.g java plugins, flash (soon) etc they should disable them by default but not completely prevent you from using them
2015-11-18T20:57:34 < jpa-> hum, i'm only happy about that
2015-11-18T20:57:48 < jpa-> i can always use a different browser for the odd webpage that needs those
2015-11-18T20:58:14 < mitrax> i miss opera :(
2015-11-18T21:04:17 < Steffanx> opera is still there :P
2015-11-18T21:05:02 < Tectu> safari <3
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2015-11-18T21:06:07 < mitrax> Steffanx: opera nowaday is just a shitty rebranded chrome
2015-11-18T21:06:21 < Steffanx> rebranded webkit.
2015-11-18T21:06:28 < Tectu> mitrax, try edge
2015-11-18T21:07:47 < mitrax> Steffanx: afaik it's chromium based, unless that changed
2015-11-18T21:08:22 < mitrax> Tectu: i'm still running win7
2015-11-18T21:08:34 < Steffanx> "using the WebKit/Chromium rendering engine" mitrax :P
2015-11-18T21:09:35 < mitrax> Steffanx: chromium uses webkit so technically yes, but it's still a rebranded chromium :p
2015-11-18T21:09:52 < Steffanx> i still dont agree until i read somewhere it is
2015-11-18T21:10:02 < Steffanx> */agree/believe that
2015-11-18T21:10:45 < mitrax> "On 28 May 2013, a beta release of Opera 15 was made available,[31] the first version based on the Chromium project.[32][33] Many distinctive features of the previous versions were dropped"
2015-11-18T21:10:56 < Steffanx> wikipedia doesnt count
2015-11-18T21:11:13 < Steffanx> because it alsos says: "in favour of WebKit as implemented by Google's Chrome browser, using code from the Chromium project."
2015-11-18T21:11:45 < mitrax> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/02/operas-chromium-based-desktop-browser-exits-beta-but-still-lacks-major-features/
2015-11-18T21:11:53 < Steffanx> so is it based on chromium or the engine by chromium aka webkit
2015-11-18T21:11:57 < mitrax> " Now based on the Chromium project, Opera 15 shares a lot of similarities with Google Chrome"
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2015-11-18T21:12:13 < zyp> I thought you could use java in chrome just fine
2015-11-18T21:12:21 < mitrax> zyp: not anymore
2015-11-18T21:12:35 < BrainDamage> you need a PPAPI implementation of the jre
2015-11-18T21:12:42 < BrainDamage> same for flash
2015-11-18T21:13:01 < BrainDamage> the NPAPI has been deprecated and removed a while ago
2015-11-18T21:13:02 < Steffanx> im still not convinced mitrax :P
2015-11-18T21:13:09 < BrainDamage> flash has one, not sure about jre
2015-11-18T21:14:21 < englishman> you should probably take care of that java problem before it spreads
2015-11-18T21:15:35 < zyp> hmm
2015-11-18T21:15:52 < zyp> according to wikipedia «Mozilla will phase out NPAPI support by the end of 2016», so that's apparently not unique to chrome
2015-11-18T21:16:01 < mitrax> Steffanx: whatever! i fart in your general direction!
2015-11-18T21:16:19 < BrainDamage> oh so they backpedalled about that too
2015-11-18T21:16:59 < BrainDamage> they used to say they won't implement ppapi because there's no formal spec, only the implementation example of chromium, so it could change without notice
2015-11-18T21:17:06 < BrainDamage> and they cba'ed to follow a moving goal
2015-11-18T21:17:53 < zyp> idk, I'd say fuck plugins overall
2015-11-18T21:17:56 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_2.mp4 anyone know what would cause flickering like that? Not sure why but sometimes it shift the data I'm transmitting a little.  its GRB and sometimes the blue shifts to the next pixels green or the other way and red goes to green.  also my logic analyzer picks up slightly different values for 1 and 0 pwm duty cycles between transmissions.  not off by much but one transmission go,
2015-11-18T21:17:56 < Rob235>  then timer stops and is restarted and the next time it might be different by about .05 us (not much). is that just caused by stopping and restarting the timer?
2015-11-18T21:24:05 < zyp> uh, what's the sample rate of your logic analyzer?
2015-11-18T21:25:49 < Rob235> i think I had it set to 16 MHz
2015-11-18T21:25:53 < zyp> .05 us is one period at 20 MHz
2015-11-18T21:27:13 < Rob235> oh woops :)
2015-11-18T21:27:37 < mitrax> Rob235: boooooooooooooh!
2015-11-18T21:28:19 < Rob235> ok so thats not the problem then.  still cant figure out why its flickering
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2015-11-18T21:29:37 < zyp> are you sending the same pattern continously?
2015-11-18T21:29:42 < Rob235> yes
2015-11-18T21:30:05 < zyp> try reducing the update rate to once a second or something
2015-11-18T21:30:08 < Rob235> the dma buffer isn't changed at all
2015-11-18T21:30:22 < zyp> see if it remains black for a full second
2015-11-18T21:30:22 < Rob235> I have done 3x a second and still happens
2015-11-18T21:30:27 < zyp> or other patterns
2015-11-18T21:30:29 < Rob235> oh its not black
2015-11-18T21:30:41 < Rob235> the video is shitty, hard to record leds
2015-11-18T21:30:51 < Rob235> the red usually shifts to green
2015-11-18T21:31:04 < zyp> you have too little background light so the leds gets overexposed
2015-11-18T21:31:28 < zyp> but ok
2015-11-18T21:31:42 < zyp> how are you doing the dma?
2015-11-18T21:32:13 < Rob235> ccr interrupt triggers dma request which updates ccr value to next pwm value
2015-11-18T21:32:33 < zyp> I mean, what's the layout of your dma buffer? :)
2015-11-18T21:33:06 < Rob235> oh, one sec i'll pastebin it, I typed it out manually for testing to make sure it wasn't something else
2015-11-18T21:35:23 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/pYvKJMFV
2015-11-18T21:35:41 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin/main.cpp?id=1cb55ca#n64 <- here's some code I wrote once
2015-11-18T21:36:57 < zyp> it just sends 15 times the same color, but sending different ones would just be a matter of calling set_color() in irq() before schedule_dma()
2015-11-18T21:37:37 < zyp> this runs on a F3, which is why my timings varies from your
2015-11-18T21:41:36 < Rob235> thanks for the code but not seeing anything really different. hmmmm
2015-11-18T21:41:45 < zyp> me neither
2015-11-18T21:42:01 < zyp> I've done the multiple values in a single buffer to test too
2015-11-18T21:43:39 < Rob235> maybe I should play with the 1 and 0 duty cycles a little.  I just realized when I tried messing with them I was changing the normal #define constants and not the h and l in the code that I should have been testing.  I doubt it will help but worth a shot
2015-11-18T21:44:00 < Rob235> they seem to be well within detection limits though which is why I doubt it will help
2015-11-18T21:44:26 < zyp> probably not that
2015-11-18T21:44:48 < zyp> I would guess it somehow goes out of sync
2015-11-18T21:45:06 < zyp> hey
2015-11-18T21:45:24 < zyp> have you tried hooking the logic analyzer before and after the first led?
2015-11-18T21:46:17 < zyp> try capturing the waveform of a failing update, check how many pulses the first led consumes before starting to pass through the rest
2015-11-18T21:46:40 < zyp> that should show you if it gets out of sync
2015-11-18T21:46:53 < Rob235> interesting idea, thanks
2015-11-18T21:47:28 < Rob235> and if its out of sync what could I do?
2015-11-18T21:47:42 < zyp> figure out why that happens :)
2015-11-18T21:48:02 < [7]> Rob235: what I'd do is drop the update rate to one per second or something to be able to observe what the corruption looks like exactly
2015-11-18T21:48:03 < Rob235> now that you have me thinking that makes perfect sense because its always shifted by a full byte
2015-11-18T21:48:12 < [7]> then try to capture that corruption with the logic analyzer
2015-11-18T21:48:20 < zyp> [7], I already suggested that
2015-11-18T21:48:26 < [7]> my guess would be some kind of excessively long delay between two bits
2015-11-18T21:48:48 < Rob235> this is gonna take a few min to set everything up, brb
2015-11-18T21:49:17 < [7]> another possible cause is a high speed strip being driven by a low speed signal or vice versa
2015-11-18T21:49:26 < [7]> I had that work surprisingly well except for similar glitches
2015-11-18T21:49:48 < zyp> isn't all the 5V stuff fast?
2015-11-18T21:50:08 < [7]> maybe the code isn't - haven't had a closer look
2015-11-18T21:50:21 < [7]> I just remember running into something similar a few months ago
2015-11-18T21:50:37 < zyp> looks fast to me, assuming his F4 timer is a bit faster than my F3 timer :)
2015-11-18T21:50:41 < [7]> capturing data coming out of the last LED revealed vastly different pulse widths to what I expected
2015-11-18T21:50:51 < zyp> but then his F4 timer might be running at half the rate
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2015-11-18T21:56:21 < Rob235> haha wtf, its not flickering.
2015-11-18T22:00:36 < Rob235> wait somethings not right
2015-11-18T22:11:05 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_3.mp4
2015-11-18T22:11:17 < Rob235> working fine.  maybe it was hooked up poorly and getting interference or something?
2015-11-18T22:12:27 < zyp> might be
2015-11-18T22:12:35 < zyp> bad ground with a bunch of voltage drop perhaps?
2015-11-18T22:12:38 < Rob235> who cares, as long as its working :)
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2015-11-18T22:21:10 < Rob235> now I just gotta wait for another led strip since I'm an idiot and burnt out 72 last night connecting the strip to 12v by accident
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2015-11-18T22:42:41 < Laurenceb> 72 strips?
2015-11-18T22:42:45 < Laurenceb> oh 72 LEDs
2015-11-18T22:43:48 < Rob235> yea
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2015-11-18T22:51:16 < Roklobsta> well.  RIP Zano.
2015-11-18T22:51:35 < Roklobsta> Or Vale Zano.
2015-11-18T22:51:46 < Roklobsta> or Hahahaha Zano.
2015-11-18T22:52:06 < Laurenceb> ZaNO
2015-11-18T22:52:44 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/iiKaBu.png
2015-11-18T22:53:26 < Laurenceb> There have been a lot of things shoot in Paris.
2015-11-18T22:54:45 < Laurenceb> *shot
2015-11-18T23:01:52 < upgrdman_> lol
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2015-11-18T23:38:40 < englishman> dongs: new article by cyrus
2015-11-18T23:38:40 < englishman> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/after-raising-record-3-4m-on-kickstarter-uk-drone-startup-collapses/
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2015-11-18T23:50:24 < gxti> rip
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2015-11-19T00:36:20 < karlp> "You can be banned from being a director for 2 to 15 years or prosecuted if the liquidator decides your conduct was unfit."
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2015-11-19T00:36:50 < karlp> 5 year ban on using torquing or zano names...
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2015-11-19T00:43:19 < Roklobsta> karlp: meh, they'll all just come back to australia or move to europe, rinse and repeat.
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2015-11-19T00:51:31 < celeron55> does there exist any common ways USB CDC can stop working due to no apparent reason other than using it somewhat?
2015-11-19T00:52:19 < Roklobsta> i have a 4G modem stuck in some arse CDC mode
2015-11-19T00:52:43 < Roklobsta> celeron55: what's your symptom?
2015-11-19T00:52:51 < celeron55> i mean, it doesn't get stuck per se; it just doesn't create any interrupts anymore and nothing that is asked to send ends up on the host
2015-11-19T00:53:06 < celeron55> nothing that it is asked*
2015-11-19T00:53:15 < Roklobsta> libopencm3?
2015-11-19T00:53:32 < Roklobsta> or libceleron55?
2015-11-19T00:54:43 < celeron55> and again i am using this STM32F070CBT6, again with a modified version of the vendor HAL libraries
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2015-11-19T00:55:04 < celeron55> altough, the USB CDC stuff is still quite vanilla and that's probably why it doesn't work
2015-11-19T00:55:57 < celeron55> but with USB the hardware interface is kind of large and I can't really figure out whereabouts it might break in this way
2015-11-19T01:00:43 < celeron55> if i disconnect USB from the host and reconnect without restarting the stm32, it starts working again
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2015-11-19T01:13:19 < celeron55> that means (and i just checked in gdb) that it does get an interrupt when the usb is disconnected and when it is reconnected
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2015-11-19T01:16:56 < upgrdman_> lol http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/teledildonics-patent-troll-backs-down-from-lawsuit-against-kickstarter/
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2015-11-19T01:31:39 < Laurenceb> lol the comment on here
2015-11-19T01:31:41 < Laurenceb> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/racial-tensions-grow-at-university-of-kansas_564916fbe4b045bf3defa5e8
2015-11-19T01:31:47 < Laurenceb> I cant tell who is trolling
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2015-11-19T01:42:35 < Laurenceb> are there 0.5mm high sot-23 package fets?
2015-11-19T01:44:13 < karlp> why do you still want jumbotron sot23 then?
2015-11-19T01:45:26 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-11-19T01:45:32 < Laurenceb> well sot-23-3
2015-11-19T02:05:51 < dongs> haha
2015-11-19T02:05:56 < dongs> finally theregister covered zano
2015-11-19T02:05:58 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/zano_drone_titsup/
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2015-11-19T02:11:30 < Laurenceb> heh titsup
2015-11-19T02:13:14 < kakimir> racial war comming up?
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2015-11-19T02:16:15 < Laurenceb> maybe just trolls
2015-11-19T02:16:35 < dongs> The founder of Micro Drone 3.0 is on the Zano Facebook Forum now explaining all the technical reasons why Zano couldn't work, his Drone is amazing and can stream long range video
2015-11-19T02:16:38 < dongs> haha
2015-11-19T02:16:45 < Laurenceb> the only google result for the professor they want to fire is a troll page calling him professor of French horn studies
2015-11-19T02:16:54 < dongs> but microdrone is also a scam
2015-11-19T02:17:08 < Laurenceb> stream long range video...
2015-11-19T02:17:49 < Laurenceb> depends if he means analogue
2015-11-19T02:18:29 < kakimir> dongs: is your zano flying yet?
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2015-11-19T02:45:09 < Getty> did someone posted the official statement of zano on the kickstarter? sadly just available for supporters
2015-11-19T02:56:05 < Laurenceb> http://support.seeedstudio.com/knowledgebase/articles/601080-fusion-cnc-milling-service
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2015-11-19T03:02:31 < dongs> Getty: yeah its reposted everytwhere
2015-11-19T03:02:35 < dongs> < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/tbZ0Lf60.html
2015-11-19T03:02:36 < dongs> Getty: ^
2015-11-19T03:02:49 < Getty> ah ok it was that message, ok
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2015-11-19T03:06:30 < Sync> Laurenceb: I mean for targeting analog would be fine
2015-11-19T03:06:55 < Getty> dongs: but its interesting how fast all the press reports about it, or?
2015-11-19T03:07:19 < ds2> Long live Zano
2015-11-19T03:07:48 < Getty> zamboo.com is now zano.com
2015-11-19T03:08:25 < BrainDamage> well, the press very likely was advised about it's impracticaly beforehand, but in order to make such claims you need strong evidence
2015-11-19T03:08:54 < BrainDamage> so rather than risking a libel lawsuit, you can just monitor closely and wait to deliver a pre-written piece
2015-11-19T03:10:10 < BrainDamage> heck, i'd probably write a piece on each kickstarter large caimpaign and just put the date when it'll eventually fail
2015-11-19T03:12:50 < Getty> LOL
2015-11-19T03:13:13 < Getty> thats an interesting theory, a very likely one, yeah, they were really surreal fast
2015-11-19T03:13:49 < Getty> what speaks a bit against it, is the fact that all those big press didn't really "questioned", like you know outside of the lawsuit-area
2015-11-19T03:14:04 < Getty> all those articles were so.... praising the shit out of it
2015-11-19T03:14:05 < jubatus> how much of the 3.4million was actually paid out to TQ by Kickstarter ?
2015-11-19T03:14:16 < Getty> 9% is what kickstarter gets afair
2015-11-19T03:14:48 < BrainDamage> they don't have to be advised months in advance, it can be only few days/weeks to prepare
2015-11-19T03:15:30 < Getty> every expert could have said on start that this will not work out ;)
2015-11-19T03:15:48 < Getty> zano is really a new dimension of have the cake and eat the cake
2015-11-19T03:15:54 < Getty> its like have the cake, eat the cake AND sell the cake
2015-11-19T03:16:19 < BrainDamage> nah, it's a future-proof cake
2015-11-19T03:16:20 < BrainDamage> you don't even have to own it
2015-11-19T03:16:47 < Getty> true... its the: i will have the cake, eat the cake AND sell a lot more cakes i dont have yet to my future friends!
2015-11-19T03:16:47 < [7]> then again, how many experts say that this will not work out on things that eventually *do*?
2015-11-19T03:17:12 < Getty> 7: drone stuff is not blackmagic, its a pretty clear problem
2015-11-19T03:17:25 < Getty> if you would make a blackmagic solution for the problems of the drone, then you would not make it for drones alone
2015-11-19T03:17:32 < Getty> like the energy problem
2015-11-19T03:17:40 < BrainDamage> from the pov of a layman it is black magic
2015-11-19T03:17:54 < Getty> if you can solve that such small units can have so much more power then you should construct ironma
2015-11-19T03:17:55 < Getty> n
2015-11-19T03:17:56 < Getty> and not drones
2015-11-19T03:18:20 < [7]> well, just as a dumb example... how many times have experts said that HDD capacity isn't going to be increased any further? beyond 2TB or something? what do we have now? etc.
2015-11-19T03:18:35 < Getty> or the logic of the physics, they still have reaction times and outside influences like hell, its not like a magic formula can appear that solves it
2015-11-19T03:18:49 < Getty> well the question is how many really were it....
2015-11-19T03:19:05 < Getty> i never said that they will stop making bigger harddiscs, i am a true murphy believer!
2015-11-19T03:19:28 < [7]> just sayin' that the unexpected happens sometimes ;)
2015-11-19T03:19:30 < Getty> i mean moore's ;)
2015-11-19T03:19:39 < Getty> yeah sure, but in tihs case i think it was very very very very clear
2015-11-19T03:20:00 < Getty> they would have to be magicians on software, hardware and make outstanding exceptional solutions that dont exist on BOTH areas
2015-11-19T03:20:37 < Getty> beside, that making ONE device is a different problem then making 1000 devices
2015-11-19T03:20:50 < Getty> i think most electronican here can say that this is LITERALLY changing EVERYTHING
2015-11-19T03:21:09 < Getty> its like even if you are a hardware jedi, you need to be also a production jedi to make it all fit into a specific price target
2015-11-19T03:21:28 < [7]> yeah, but those aren't problems that can't be solved. there would be delays, sure, but you *can* eventually scale things up somehow
2015-11-19T03:22:15 < Getty> i think you underestimate the dimension of how extreme those problems would be for them
2015-11-19T03:22:18 < Getty> we talk about AI
2015-11-19T03:22:18 < [7]> price is another issue, sure. but per-unit cost of a handful of prototypes would surely be higher than any kind of mass production
2015-11-19T03:22:40 < Getty> we talk about a thing that analyzes the area and finds you and follows you
2015-11-19T03:22:44 < Getty> think about that for a second ;)
2015-11-19T03:22:55 < [7]> that, again, is software ;)
2015-11-19T03:23:08 < Getty> yeah but even with a real PC i can't do that good these days
2015-11-19T03:23:27 < Getty> motion tracking still needs marker points ;)
2015-11-19T03:23:37 < Getty> if it would be easy in software there would be no marker
2015-11-19T03:23:44 < [7]> if that would have been the only trouble, their "we'll ship these feature-incomplete units now, and add that to the firmware later" strategy may have worked out much better than it did
2015-11-19T03:23:58 < Getty> we talk about: they have 10< of big problems that are not solved yet
2015-11-19T03:24:19 < BrainDamage> btw, as to speed of delivery on the news, zano didn't fail all of a sudden, there's been gradually mounting problems, discontenpt, lack of social media report, and ivan's retirement that gave early warnings
2015-11-19T03:24:26 < Getty> if they would have just 1 or 2, i would say "ok, let them try"
2015-11-19T03:24:35 < Getty> but we talk about...... many many many physical and logical problems
2015-11-19T03:24:50 < Getty> + (!!!!!!!!!!) this size!!!!!!! ;)
2015-11-19T03:24:59 < BrainDamage> [7]: except you cannot upgrade hw OTA :p
2015-11-19T03:25:28 < Getty> you cant even repair that shit
2015-11-19T03:25:34 < [7]> BrainDamage: you could have calmed down your backers by shipping something that flies somehow and then never delivering the update though
2015-11-19T03:25:38 < Getty> every unit that has a mistake is dead metal i would say
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2015-11-19T03:25:54 < Getty> 7: that is what they did... to some backers
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2015-11-19T03:26:06 < [7]> yeah, and I'm surprised by that number being so low
2015-11-19T03:26:27 < Getty> 7: a think that shows what is like possible, bad picture, barly able to fly steady (cause the software on the phone cant compensate so fast what comes form the drone, delay and shit)
2015-11-19T03:26:38 < Getty> s/think/thing
2015-11-19T03:27:26 < Sync> BrainDamage: "early warning"
2015-11-19T03:27:29 < [7]> well it should have been trivial to make that thing fly at least as well as these cheap microquads, which can be surprisingly steady
2015-11-19T03:27:49 < Getty> they can be steady cause they are like 1:1 linked to the gyro
2015-11-19T03:27:52 < Getty> there is no logic in between
2015-11-19T03:28:02 < Getty> its actually logical seen easy to make a drone that is steady
2015-11-19T03:28:15 < Getty> like ... aehm what was the name?
2015-11-19T03:28:20 < Getty> ardupilot?
2015-11-19T03:28:21 < Getty> that thing
2015-11-19T03:28:37 < Sync> but it is not written in ivans pro assembly
2015-11-19T03:28:41 < Getty> the processor was like over dimension of what was required
2015-11-19T03:28:45 < Getty> sync: hahahhaa
2015-11-19T03:29:18 < [7]> y
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2015-11-19T03:30:04 < BrainDamage> what i'm curious and probably will never know is if they knew it was never going to deliver and hoped on hyped and delusions for the customers to accept it for a while until they figured out a solution, or they really believed they could make it
2015-11-19T03:31:40 < Getty> yes that is really what i also wanna know
2015-11-19T03:31:53 < Getty> if they are one bit competent, than they should have seen much earlier
2015-11-19T03:32:07 < Getty> if they are totally incompetent, why they thought they could make it?
2015-11-19T03:34:29 < Getty> what is kinda a sign that they really thought that they could make it, is the taking in of preorders
2015-11-19T03:34:37 < Getty> that looked like a cheap move to get in some extra cash
2015-11-19T03:34:58 < Getty> but of course also doubles the problem on failure situation
2015-11-19T03:35:15 < Getty> not something a "i know i lose" guy would take as an option, or?
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2015-11-19T03:44:50 < genewitch> i'm trying to make a seismograph and the stm32f4 looked like the best bang for the buck
2015-11-19T03:47:40 < obnauticus> I have a question regarding the a TM library (i.e., from stm32f4-discovery.com). Within this example: http://stm32f4-discovery.com/2014/10/library-43-mpu-6050-6-axes-gyro-accelerometer-stm32f4/ my Discovery board is hanging at if(TM_Delay_Time() >= 500000);. I am wondering why this happens?
2015-11-19T03:50:17 < obnauticus> it's simple R2COM
2015-11-19T03:50:27 < obnauticus> Do you have any other resources?
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2015-11-19T03:59:48 < [7]> oh wow... looks like they aren't even using the systick timer for that, but dedicating a peripheral timer to that crap
2015-11-19T04:00:07 < jadew> R2COM?
2015-11-19T04:03:18 < jadew> R2COM, use the wizard
2015-11-19T04:03:42 < jadew> you'll find out how everything works when you'll need to
2015-11-19T04:04:05 < jadew> no point in digging too deep if you don't need to understand things that deep
2015-11-19T04:04:07 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-19T04:04:23 < jadew> for WTL too
2015-11-19T04:04:44 < jadew> oh, right, I remember
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2015-11-19T04:06:34 < jadew> I don't know what to recommend you, I usually start from
2015-11-19T04:07:01 < jadew> from the top and go down from there
2015-11-19T04:09:48 < jadew> R2COM, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that's the point :)
2015-11-19T04:10:07 < jadew> (not sure it's default, but it should be)
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2015-11-19T04:18:22 < genewitch> yeah google hates me, we had a falling out
2015-11-19T04:18:40 < genewitch> whenever i google stm32f4 toolchain i get a bunch of forum users crying because openpilot or watever don't work
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2015-11-19T04:32:59 < dongs> meh
2015-11-19T04:33:18 < dongs> _Getty: notreally? i mean, they probably were prepared heh
2015-11-19T04:34:33 < dongs> so , using tuner + measuring RF level even wiht 3MHz step is not veryfast
2015-11-19T04:34:33 < _Getty> dongs: the details would be really interesting ;)
2015-11-19T04:34:45 < dongs> to get proper RF level i need to delayms(50) between each tune
2015-11-19T04:34:54 < dongs> and covering 473>767mhz takes a while
2015-11-19T04:35:45 < dongs> like ~2-4 secondsm or so
2015-11-19T04:36:32 < jadew> dongs, what are you building?
2015-11-19T04:37:54 < dongs> jadew: i was testing rf 'spectrum analyzer' idea using just tuner IC
2015-11-19T04:37:58 < dongs> but its very s,ow
2015-11-19T04:38:01 < dongs> slow
2015-11-19T04:38:08 < jadew> ah
2015-11-19T04:38:43 < dongs> yes
2015-11-19T04:38:49 < dongs> im plotting 100 points
2015-11-19T04:39:01 < dongs> from 473>767 or so mhz
2015-11-19T04:39:07 < dongs> well, actually i made step variable
2015-11-19T04:39:12 < dongs> as long as it fits into the 100 points
2015-11-19T04:39:14 < dongs> from start>end
2015-11-19T04:39:28 < jadew> what's the purpose?
2015-11-19T04:39:55 < jadew> just trying it out?
2015-11-19T04:40:20 < jadew> and btw, with 3 MHz steps, you will lose a lot of signals
2015-11-19T04:40:30 < jadew> I bet the tunner's bandwith is narrower
2015-11-19T04:41:12 < dongs> tuner bandwidth is up to 8mhz.
2015-11-19T04:41:17 < jadew> ah
2015-11-19T04:41:27 < jadew> then maybe it would work
2015-11-19T04:41:35 < jadew> but is there a point to this or just messing around?
2015-11-19T04:41:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kiTzCXa.jpg
2015-11-19T04:42:07 < Sync> 3d dicked case
2015-11-19T04:42:10 < dongs> :)
2015-11-19T04:42:19 < Sync> clearly pro
2015-11-19T04:42:28 < jadew> :)
2015-11-19T04:42:42 < dongs> so that shit is 194mhz, at 100 points its ~2mhz step
2015-11-19T04:42:54 < dongs> anyway, it takes same time cuz im only sampling 100 points always.
2015-11-19T04:43:08 < Sync> needs more fpga
2015-11-19T04:43:09 < dongs> just very slow. and if i dont wait after tuning to wait for lock or whatever, then the graph loks like random shit
2015-11-19T04:43:40 < ds2> what tuner IC are you using?
2015-11-19T04:43:59 < dongs> some maxlinear shit. mxl603 or so
2015-11-19T04:44:20 < dongs> hm not 603. something like that.
2015-11-19T04:44:27 < dongs> or maybe that
2015-11-19T04:44:29 < ds2> that seems to be a bit long
2015-11-19T04:44:29 < dongs> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/23/idUS102958+23-Jul-2012+BW20120723
2015-11-19T04:44:47 < ds2> what kind of app was it for?
2015-11-19T04:45:12 < dongs> well, mxltune() has a 15ms delay after tune but thats not enough to get accurate rf level
2015-11-19T04:45:16 < dongs> so i added a bit more
2015-11-19T04:46:07 < dongs> `huh then 65ms*100 = 6.5seconds of jerking off
2015-11-19T04:46:30 < dongs> i thought it was refreshing faster than that
2015-11-19T04:46:37 < dongs> anyway, way worse than upgrdman's like 5Hz update rate
2015-11-19T04:46:41 < dongs> on his chinese 2.4ghz analyzer
2015-11-19T04:48:10 < upgrdman> bummer
2015-11-19T04:48:19 < jadew> you know there's also a right way of doing it, right?
2015-11-19T04:48:25 < dongs> rly now
2015-11-19T04:48:37 < dongs> i asked this like a week ago
2015-11-19T04:48:41 < dongs> for the "right way" :)
2015-11-19T04:48:41 < jadew> like VCO + mixer
2015-11-19T04:48:46 < jadew> I wasn't around
2015-11-19T04:48:54 < upgrdman> sounds like the expensive way
2015-11-19T04:48:58 < dongs> what do you think is inside that mxl?
2015-11-19T04:49:01 < dongs> and then what?
2015-11-19T04:49:02 < upgrdman> also lots more firmware fuckery
2015-11-19T04:49:16 < upgrdman> RSSI FTW
2015-11-19T04:49:17 < Sync> dickware
2015-11-19T04:50:01 < upgrdman> anyone know of a good book or website on user interface design? software or hardware.
2015-11-19T04:50:05 < jadew> dongs, I think chip is unable to continously change the frequency
2015-11-19T04:50:14 < upgrdman> this seems intriguing  http://www.amazon.com/Design-Hackers-Reverse-Engineering-Beauty/dp/1119998956
2015-11-19T04:50:18 < dongs> it sure can, it just does it slow
2015-11-19T04:50:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, more general
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2015-11-19T04:50:28 < upgrdman> but ya, windows specific is fine
2015-11-19T04:50:49 < jadew> dongs, yeah, because it sets a particular frequency and then it changes the voltage of the vco in a feedback loop until it matches
2015-11-19T04:51:03 < jadew> what you want is to swipe that voltage that sets the frequency
2015-11-19T04:51:07 < ds2> is it a tv tuner and is it looking for a carrier or something?
2015-11-19T04:51:10 < jadew> so you can swipe it as fast as you want
2015-11-19T04:51:26 < upgrdman> i mean like a general ui design philosophy. kinda lika how vertical tabs with text can be hard to read, etc. lots of hints / tips / case studides / etc.
2015-11-19T04:51:51 < upgrdman> because i want to be better at making GUIs
2015-11-19T04:51:57 < ds2> UI == Unusable Interfaces?
2015-11-19T04:51:58 < ds2> :D
2015-11-19T04:52:01 < upgrdman> i want to be good at what i do
2015-11-19T04:52:06 < dongs> upgrdman: then dont use lunix
2015-11-19T04:52:10 < upgrdman> im not
2015-11-19T04:52:10 < dongs> lunix GUI = fail
2015-11-19T04:52:16 < upgrdman> im in windows 10 right now
2015-11-19T04:52:47 < upgrdman> hence why i've been asking lots of "what a good xyz app for windows?" lately
2015-11-19T04:53:25 < upgrdman> R2COM, nice. thank you!
2015-11-19T04:53:37 < dongs> is that the ui design guide?
2015-11-19T04:53:41 < dongs> yeah.
2015-11-19T04:53:43 < dongs> thats a good read
2015-11-19T04:53:50 < dongs> there's also a book version of similar thing
2015-11-19T04:55:18 < jadew> dongs, that that chip that you use have a feedback loop?
2015-11-19T04:55:31 < jadew> for the VCO voltage?
2015-11-19T04:55:49 < jadew> then you could mess with that directly
2015-11-19T04:56:37 < jadew> and then all you'd have to do is change it's settings when switching from band to band so the internal PLL settings get changed
2015-11-19T04:57:10 < jadew> then you would just figure out what's a good swipe time so you can get a stable signal level
2015-11-19T04:58:52 < dongs> heh yeah its faggot nda and datasheet is worthless
2015-11-19T04:58:59 < dongs> i just use the lib they provided
2015-11-19T04:59:03 < dongs> so i dont care about band switching etc
2015-11-19T04:59:10 < dongs> i just have a span from 44..1000mhz
2015-11-19T04:59:35 < dongs> The chip utilizes a proprietary architecture, which
2015-11-19T04:59:35 < dongs> achieves the required channel selection using a multistage channel filter. The RF input is mixed to a fixed
2015-11-19T04:59:38 < dongs> frequency, followed by channel filtering, and then mixed to a programmable IF frequency.
2015-11-19T04:59:42 < dongs> SUPER PROPRIETARY
2015-11-19T04:59:54 < ds2> dongs: what is the application and is it looking for a signal?
2015-11-19T05:00:06 < dongs> ds2 literally to just graph spectrum
2015-11-19T05:00:07 < dongs> no application
2015-11-19T05:00:09 < dongs> just fuckin around
2015-11-19T05:00:23 < dongs> wanted to see how fast it can be done
2015-11-19T05:00:25 < jadew> because you don't have a SA for that :P
2015-11-19T05:00:31 < jadew> now I feel like doing some RF
2015-11-19T05:00:36 < dongs> psh
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2015-11-19T05:00:47 < dongs> more like radar of zano drone
2015-11-19T05:01:01 < dongs> R2COM: did you hear, they've closed shop
2015-11-19T05:01:14 < dongs>  < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/tbZ0Lf60.html
2015-11-19T05:01:18 < jadew> plot twist: dongs is the maker of zano
2015-11-19T05:02:08 < dongs> i wish
2015-11-19T05:02:11 < dongs> then i would have had 3.5mil
2015-11-19T05:02:18 < jadew> lol
2015-11-19T05:02:28 < jadew> so the question now is: will anyone go to jail?
2015-11-19T05:02:33 < dongs> hopefully!
2015-11-19T05:02:48 < dongs> unfortunately, incompetence is not a crime :(
2015-11-19T05:02:57 < dongs> neither is autism/being manchild
2015-11-19T05:03:01 < jadew> yeah, but I think it was obvious to everyone it was a scam
2015-11-19T05:03:04 < dongs> which is 3 things that torquing did
2015-11-19T05:03:27 < jadew> they still have the money
2015-11-19T05:03:34 < dongs> probly not anymore
2015-11-19T05:03:50 < jadew> whatever they did, isn't worth 3.5 mil
2015-11-19T05:04:15 < jadew> there's no way they could have spended that
2015-11-19T05:05:12 < dongs> they ordered 12000 fucking carry cases
2015-11-19T05:05:19 < dongs> and paper boxes and shit
2015-11-19T05:05:30 < dongs> no idea
2015-11-19T05:06:00 < Sync> jadew: money goes fast
2015-11-19T05:06:08 < jadew> Sync, not 3.5 mil
2015-11-19T05:06:26 < Sync> well, lets see, 6 engineers 100k/a
2015-11-19T05:06:31 < Sync> building, 20k/mo
2015-11-19T05:06:39 < dongs> "engineers"
2015-11-19T05:06:40 < dongs> dude.
2015-11-19T05:06:40 < jadew> what building?
2015-11-19T05:06:45 < jadew> what engineers?
2015-11-19T05:06:48 < dongs> everyone on thier dicked-in was clueless fucktards
2015-11-19T05:06:51 < jadew> and 20k/mo - wtf?
2015-11-19T05:06:54 < Sync> their shitty headquater
2015-11-19T05:06:56 < dongs> i think the building was free from some government grant
2015-11-19T05:06:57 < jadew> what engineers earn that?
2015-11-19T05:06:59 < Sync> ah
2015-11-19T05:07:00 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-19T05:07:01 < Sync> well then
2015-11-19T05:07:03 < Sync> GG
2015-11-19T05:07:24 < Sync> jadew: ones that don't suck
2015-11-19T05:07:42 < jadew> R2COM, well, you're right there
2015-11-19T05:07:56 < dongs> r2com earns more than 20k/month
2015-11-19T05:08:00 < dongs> for pro irc blogging
2015-11-19T05:08:01 < jadew> which makes me depressed again, cuz I'm severly underpaid
2015-11-19T05:08:02 < dongs> me2,
2015-11-19T05:08:17 < dongs> the more you blog the more you get paid, really
2015-11-19T05:08:40 < jadew> yeah, some people earn from blogging
2015-11-19T05:11:25 < jadew> heh
2015-11-19T05:11:32 < Sync> that's not unreasonable
2015-11-19T05:11:37 < jadew> kinda is
2015-11-19T05:12:11 < Sync> sounds about average, really
2015-11-19T05:12:19 < Sync> I've seen worse and better
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2015-11-19T05:16:14 < jadew> R2COM, when you have a couple $1 million you don't have to work anymore
2015-11-19T05:16:27 < jadew> sorry, just 1
2015-11-19T05:16:28 < jadew> not a couple
2015-11-19T05:16:58 < jadew> depends on how you want to live
2015-11-19T05:17:18 < jadew> interrest rates alone should give you the same kind of money you would get from a good job
2015-11-19T05:18:47 < jadew> yes, let's put a number there
2015-11-19T05:19:00 < jadew> you could probably negotiate a 5%
2015-11-19T05:19:19 < jadew> which would bring you to 100k/yr from 2 million
2015-11-19T05:19:24 < jadew> that's... decent
2015-11-19T05:19:37 < jadew> it's more than I make
2015-11-19T05:19:59 < jadew> why not?
2015-11-19T05:28:45 < jadew> R2COM, not that cheap
2015-11-19T05:29:16 < jadew> just had a discussion with my wife, because we're spending more than we make
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2015-11-19T05:34:18 < jadew> well, that's what I told her
2015-11-19T05:36:45 < jadew> told her to log everything she spends
2015-11-19T05:37:01 < jadew> no, it's working
2015-11-19T05:37:15 < jadew> we actually saved money this month
2015-11-19T05:37:47 < jadew> of course, now we'll never know what they were being spent on, but at least it's working
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2015-11-19T05:38:17 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/s5AWoAB.gifv
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2015-11-19T05:40:21 < jadew> I suppose a bigger vehicle
2015-11-19T05:41:25 < jadew> yeah it had so much force that the people inside were thrown out
2015-11-19T05:41:32 < jadew> I guess the guys in the back didn't make it
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2015-11-19T05:41:42 < obnauticus> potentially stupid question: is it possible to include C++ files in a C source?
2015-11-19T05:41:51 < jadew> obnauticus, yes
2015-11-19T05:41:52 < obnauticus> I know in C++ -> C you can extern "C"
2015-11-19T05:41:55 < obnauticus> jadew: how so?
2015-11-19T05:42:08 < jadew> wait
2015-11-19T05:42:13 < obnauticus> trying to put this library: https://github.com/TKJElectronics/KalmanFilter into my project which is in C
2015-11-19T05:42:15 < ds2> no, I mean for the chip
2015-11-19T05:42:16 < jadew> you want to include the actual code?
2015-11-19T05:42:20 < jadew> not just the header?
2015-11-19T05:42:23 < obnauticus> Just the header
2015-11-19T05:42:25 < obnauticus> and functions
2015-11-19T05:42:30 < ds2> is it a TV tuner that looks for a carrier or is it just a PLL+filter + mixer?
2015-11-19T05:42:46 < jadew> obnauticus, so compile the library with c++, declare the functions as extern C
2015-11-19T05:42:53 < jadew> and include the headers from your C files
2015-11-19T05:42:55 < jadew> it should work
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2015-11-19T05:43:30 < obnauticus> How do I go about compiling it as C++?
2015-11-19T05:43:44 < obnauticus> I guess, which setting in my IDE should I be looking for
2015-11-19T05:43:59 < jadew> if it's an IDE it should know to do that already
2015-11-19T05:44:05 < jadew> cpp files with the c++ compiler
2015-11-19T05:44:05 < obnauticus> Okay.
2015-11-19T05:44:11 < jadew> c files with the c compiler
2015-11-19T05:44:14 < obnauticus> I figured as much, IAR seems to have identified it.
2015-11-19T05:44:26 < obnauticus> Okay, so in the header for the CPP library I'm trying to include
2015-11-19T05:44:34 < obnauticus> i define all the functions as extern "C" {...} ?
2015-11-19T05:44:43 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-19T05:44:49 < jadew> you can wrap them all inside that
2015-11-19T05:44:54 < jadew> as long as they're just function
2015-11-19T05:44:56 < jadew> *functions
2015-11-19T05:45:02 < jadew> and basic structure
2015-11-19T05:45:48 < jadew> but since you're already using c++ in your project, why not switch the whole project to c++?
2015-11-19T05:45:55 < obnauticus> I could do that.
2015-11-19T05:46:12 < obnauticus> I'm learning pretty slowly, kind-of new to embedded development.
2015-11-19T05:47:01 < obnauticus> So, for the https://github.com/TKJElectronics/KalmanFilter/blob/master/Kalman.h I'm just going to extern "C" the class Kalman and all of the functions that class defines?
2015-11-19T05:47:35 < jadew> it's a class, so you can't do that
2015-11-19T05:47:44 < obnauticus> That's why I was a little confused :(
2015-11-19T05:47:47 < jadew> it C won't be able to deal with it
2015-11-19T05:48:02 < obnauticus> So my only option is to switch the whole project to C++?
2015-11-19T05:48:35 < jadew> it's not only an option, it's the right thing to do anyway
2015-11-19T05:48:53 < obnauticus> Will I need to change many things?
2015-11-19T05:48:59 < jadew> probably nothing
2015-11-19T05:49:03 < jadew> you'll just be able to do more
2015-11-19T05:49:50 < obnauticus> Hmm, trying to dig through the menus in IAR
2015-11-19T05:51:54 < obnauticus> cannot find it :(
2015-11-19T05:52:02 < jadew> find what?
2015-11-19T05:52:36 < obnauticus> After some googling it seems that I'm supposed to do this: Project -> Options -> C/C++ Compiler -> Language 1 -> Language = C++
2015-11-19T05:52:42 < obnauticus> Can't find the workflow they're trying to specify
2015-11-19T05:53:53 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, they're a great addition
2015-11-19T05:54:20 < jadew> it's not copying
2015-11-19T05:54:27 < jadew> it's moving objects
2015-11-19T05:54:52 < obnauticus> Lol, I was googling for IAR help when I'm actually using Keil
2015-11-19T05:54:55 < obnauticus> facepalm.jpg. It's getting late.
2015-11-19T05:55:40 < upgrdman> jadew, http://i.imgur.com/DayJLBi.jpg
2015-11-19T05:55:54 < jadew> upgrdman, thanks
2015-11-19T05:55:58 < upgrdman> np
2015-11-19T05:56:22 < jadew> looks so not fake...
2015-11-19T05:56:39 < Roklobsta> are you saying she has fake boobs?
2015-11-19T05:56:42 < jadew> I'm saving it
2015-11-19T05:57:02 < jadew> Roklobsta, well, at least of them is :P
2015-11-19T05:57:08 < Roklobsta> left or right?
2015-11-19T05:57:12 < jadew> haha
2015-11-19T05:57:26 < jadew> R2COM, I'm getting gradually more excited
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2015-11-19T05:57:43 < jadew> but my wife and kid are about to wake up, so I'll stop here
2015-11-19T05:58:14 < jadew> that has to be the best picture since the rainbow
2015-11-19T05:58:58 < jadew> in case you don't know what I'm refering to: http://s.likes-media.com/img/95fbaf596a3690dc93aa816aaddeb4a3.600x.jpg
2015-11-19T05:59:07 < jadew> referring
2015-11-19T06:00:18 < obnauticus> Does anyone here know how to switch a project in Keil uVision 5 from C to C++?
2015-11-19T06:00:30 < obnauticus> I can't find a way to edit the compiler flags :(
2015-11-19T06:00:34 < jadew> obnauticus, I think you just have to rename the files
2015-11-19T06:00:46 < obnauticus> ah
2015-11-19T06:00:50 < jadew> dongs, might know better tho
2015-11-19T06:00:53 < jadew> he uses Keil
2015-11-19T06:01:13 < obnauticus> So every .c file must be renamed tp .cpp
2015-11-19T06:01:24 < jadew> yes
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2015-11-19T06:01:41 < Roklobsta> where is dongs? is he at the pub celebrating all day?
2015-11-19T06:02:02 < dongs> hmm
2015-11-19T06:02:02 < jadew> he's playing with his new spectrum analyzer
2015-11-19T06:02:07 < dongs> CMD8 to SD card is failing
2015-11-19T06:02:21 < dongs> obnauticus: just make some cpp files?
2015-11-19T06:02:37 < dongs> why would you need to switch any f lags
2015-11-19T06:02:55 < obnauticus> dongs: no idea
2015-11-19T06:02:58  * obnauticus == noon
2015-11-19T06:02:59 < dongs> and i dont have a scope or LA here
2015-11-19T06:03:00 < obnauticus> noob*
2015-11-19T06:03:14 < jadew> I said spectrum analyzer
2015-11-19T06:03:16 < obnauticus> So I must switch every single .c file to c++, else extern "C" it.
2015-11-19T06:03:19 < jadew> I meant that thing you made
2015-11-19T06:03:51 < dongs> Roklobsta: celebrating Zano downfall
2015-11-19T06:04:00 < dongs> yeah im done dicking wiht that for now tho
2015-11-19T06:04:04 < dongs> im trying to make F4+ SDIO work
2015-11-19T06:04:09 < dongs> so far it does fuckall
2015-11-19T06:04:30 < Roklobsta> dongs: that's implied.
2015-11-19T06:04:41 < upgrdman> :)  http://gfycat.com/AnyBlackDiplodocus
2015-11-19T06:04:58 < jadew> holly crap
2015-11-19T06:05:02 < jadew> my balls retracted
2015-11-19T06:05:11 < dongs> lool
2015-11-19T06:05:12 < dongs> me2
2015-11-19T06:06:35 < Roklobsta> my ball retracted
2015-11-19T06:08:43 < upgrdman> just one?
2015-11-19T06:11:42 < dongs> so what do i do if CMD8 times out
2015-11-19T06:11:45 < dongs> and i have no scope to check
2015-11-19T06:11:46 < dongs> lol
2015-11-19T06:12:18 < aandrew> jesus
2015-11-19T06:12:27 < aandrew> I crossed my legs in solidarity
2015-11-19T06:14:30 < upgrdman> :) http://gfycat.com/VainDecentGiraffe
2015-11-19T06:16:23 < dongs> oh
2015-11-19T06:16:25 < dongs> in my copypaste rage
2015-11-19T06:16:29 < dongs> i forgot to AFIO SD_CLK
2015-11-19T06:18:46 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/5WN6Z7W.gifv
2015-11-19T06:20:00 < Rob235> dongs: finally, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_3.mp4
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2015-11-19T06:20:39 < obnauticus> dongs: any idea why this is happening? http://i.imgur.com/nRGkWLJ.png
2015-11-19T06:21:21 < obnauticus> Do i need extern "C" int { ... } ?
2015-11-19T06:22:41 < jadew> lol, is Keil using scintilla?
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2015-11-19T06:23:30 < obnauticus> :(
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2015-11-19T06:24:04 < jadew> obnauticus, it's extern "C"
2015-11-19T06:24:08 < jadew> not extern C
2015-11-19T06:24:26 < obnauticus> lol it didn't switch the filetype from C-> c++ when i changed the extension. jadew I noticed that..
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2015-11-19T06:29:44 < dongs> jadew: yes ;(
2015-11-19T06:29:58 < dongs> they are using some opensauce editor control
2015-11-19T06:29:59 < dongs> lulz
2015-11-19T06:30:15 < jadew> dongs, yeah, I recognized it
2015-11-19T06:30:18 < dongs> obnauticus: are you using that freetard TM_xxx HAL from geocities
2015-11-19T06:30:30 < dongs> or was it blogger.com
2015-11-19T06:30:31 < dongs> or osmethign
2015-11-19T06:30:46 < dongs> anyway my SDIO 1bit wide works
2015-11-19T06:30:55 < dongs> Rob235: clicking
2015-11-19T06:31:04 < dongs> Rob235: heh nice
2015-11-19T06:31:07 < Rob235> :)
2015-11-19T06:33:46 < dongs> now i need to copypaste some more shit from STM32F100-EVAL
2015-11-19T06:33:49 < dongs> thier waveplayer.c thing
2015-11-19T06:34:18 < obnauticus> goddammit
2015-11-19T06:34:20 < obnauticus> and yes dongs
2015-11-19T06:34:28 < dongs> why do you insist on C++
2015-11-19T06:34:30 < dongs> just use C
2015-11-19T06:34:32 < dongs> like all the REAL PROS
2015-11-19T06:34:40 < dongs> also im almost certain armcc has an option
2015-11-19T06:34:45 < dongs> like -c++ or somthign
2015-11-19T06:34:50 < dongs> that you can enter into 'additional compiler flags'
2015-11-19T06:34:56 < dongs> to force *.c interpteted as c++
2015-11-19T06:35:32 < obnauticus> That's sort-of what I was looking for before, but I can't find any way to do it in IAR.
2015-11-19T06:35:35 < obnauticus> Keil*
2015-11-19T06:36:10 < dongs> it would be a command line option
2015-11-19T06:36:27 < obnauticus> I think it's -cpp
2015-11-19T06:36:34 < obnauticus> I couldn't find any way to edit the compiler directives :\
2015-11-19T06:36:37 < dongs> uh
2015-11-19T06:36:52 < dongs> c/cpp+ tab
2015-11-19T06:36:56 < dongs> 'misc conrols'
2015-11-19T06:37:08 < dongs> enter any cmmand line switches there
2015-11-19T06:37:10 < obnauticus> Will it work even if I have a -c in the flags already?
2015-11-19T06:37:15 < obnauticus> err, control string*
2015-11-19T06:37:25 < dongs> -c means compile, not that its C
2015-11-19T06:37:31 < obnauticus> It will not let me remove -c so it would be "-c -cpp"
2015-11-19T06:37:31 < dongs> and yes
2015-11-19T06:37:45 < obnauticus> ah, ok.
2015-11-19T06:42:55 < obnauticus> I just keep getting a bunch of weird errors when I switch the compiler from C to C++
2015-11-19T06:43:01 < obnauticus> probably because the person who wrote these libraries is retarded
2015-11-19T06:43:25 < obnauticus> R2COM: Keil
2015-11-19T06:44:02 < obnauticus> I'm sure it can -- I'm just stupid.
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2015-11-19T06:59:38 < dongs> also need to try bringing up that OVC camera
2015-11-19T06:59:44 < dongs> which also hopefully works
2015-11-19T07:09:57 < englishman> so productive now that theres no time spent trolling zano :(
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2015-11-19T07:23:31 < englishman> haha
2015-11-19T07:23:32 < englishman> dongs
2015-11-19T07:23:33 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKV6r-0WyFQ
2015-11-19T07:23:38 < englishman> remember these guys
2015-11-19T07:23:57 < englishman> cant deliver a $500 bluetooth speaker 1.5years later
2015-11-19T07:24:11 < englishman> $13m raised
2015-11-19T07:33:22 < Roklobsta> These guys should Kickstart these tables.  Demonstrated product, everyone will want one.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxHm0CWcyVA
2015-11-19T07:33:25 < Rob235> in C, even if you split up your project into several files, there can't be repeat global variable names right? and defines? it all basically becomes one big file of global variables and functions right?
2015-11-19T07:34:46 < aandrew> correct
2015-11-19T07:34:51 < aandrew> you define them in one C file globally
2015-11-19T07:34:58 < aandrew> and in the .h file shared everywhere you extern them
2015-11-19T07:35:47 < Rob235> so I guess I should add the "class"/library name before each variable to make sure I don't use the same name twice
2015-11-19T07:36:24 < jpa-> Rob235: use "static"
2015-11-19T07:36:34 < jpa-> so your variables and functions are file-scope instead of global
2015-11-19T07:36:45 < Rob235> oh really? interesting
2015-11-19T07:38:32 < Rob235> and what if I have a delay function that uses systick and I want to use it in different files?
2015-11-19T07:41:17 < Rob235> can I include the file that does have the delay function even if I don't set up the systick in the new file? does delay need to be static? if so what does that do
2015-11-19T07:41:53 < Rob235> I know static variables and static functions are different but if I recall thats what you need to do for a function like this but I haven't done this in so long
2015-11-19T07:43:41 < Rob235> oh and #defines are limited to the file they are in so thats good
2015-11-19T07:47:14 < jpa-> Rob235: uh whut, you put a prototype    void delay(int x);   in delay.h  and the code & systick etc. goes into delay.c
2015-11-19T07:49:13 < Rob235> and just include delay.h in the file I want to use it? even if its a third file that calls the systick_config() from delay.c? as long as config is run before any delays in any files are done then its good?
2015-11-19T07:50:27 < Rob235> I guess I'm just trying to figure out how everything is linked and the scope of everything
2015-11-19T08:06:56 < dongs> jesus dude
2015-11-19T08:06:58 < dongs> learn C
2015-11-19T08:06:59 < dongs> get the K&R book
2015-11-19T08:07:05 < dongs> youre asking some super basic questions
2015-11-19T08:08:23 < dongs> https://github.com/JorgeAparicio/libstm32pp/blob/master/bits/sccb.tcc heres some nasty fucking C++
2015-11-19T08:08:35 < dongs> which one of you dudes did sccb on F4
2015-11-19T08:09:00 < PaulFertser> dongs++, if one is sane, K&R book is the best to learn C.
2015-11-19T08:10:19 < dongs> in this context sane means = not touched retarded non-languages like python/ruby/etc.
2015-11-19T08:11:50 < PaulFertser> I'd say if one can read and is willing to understand, that'd be enough. Python is not as bad for the brain as BASIC ;)
2015-11-19T08:18:43 < emeb_mac> I'm doomed
2015-11-19T08:20:41 < aandrew>  I really never liked K&R
2015-11-19T08:20:42 < PeterM> why?
2015-11-19T08:20:43 < PaulFertser> I started with basic when I was 8-9 y.o. but soon switched to pascal, heh. Then learnt some 8080 opcodes, 8086 assembly.
2015-11-19T08:21:00 < aandrew> PeterM: felt it was very ... old
2015-11-19T08:21:03 < aandrew> like trying ot read shakespeare
2015-11-19T08:21:37 < PeterM> i should have said emeb_mac why?
2015-11-19T08:21:58 < emeb_mac> PeterM: because I started out on BASIC too
2015-11-19T08:22:15 < PeterM> oh
2015-11-19T08:22:18 < PeterM> yeah, thats bad
2015-11-19T08:22:28 < emeb_mac> because old
2015-11-19T08:22:43 < PaulFertser> aandrew: K&R seems like a book that covers all the language features and yet is comprehensible by a beginner, what don't you like about it?
2015-11-19T08:24:38 < ds2> python is horrible for the brain
2015-11-19T08:24:57 < ds2> slightly worse then an actual python wrapped around it
2015-11-19T08:25:09 < aandrew> PaulFertser: see i don't find that at all
2015-11-19T08:25:21 < emeb_mac> python is OK. I did a communications simulation in python as an alternative to Matlab. Worked fine.
2015-11-19T08:25:23 < aandrew> I find it's archaic and comprehensive
2015-11-19T08:25:38 < aandrew> I feel that you could get the basics of C in a much smaller, easier to digest format
2015-11-19T08:26:56 < PaulFertser> If you know other similar languages or at least some assembly language, probably, but K&R book is already quite small, I can't imagine anything that can be much smaller yet not compromising on covering the language features.
2015-11-19T08:27:11 < ds2> white space is white space... not some damn function seperator
2015-11-19T08:27:28 < aandrew> oh, I'm not saying I have a better solution, but I am just expressing an opinion that at least for me, K&R was alrgely a bust
2015-11-19T08:30:49 < aandrew> I'm not a really good academic learner, perhaps that's why I dislike K&R, it is very much a textbook
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2015-11-19T08:45:12 < PaulFertser> ds2: haskell is white-sensitive too, so what? Modern editors don't make dealing with that too much complicated.
2015-11-19T08:50:12 < ds2> it is the reading of it
2015-11-19T08:50:26 < ds2> when whitespace is significant, that entirely throws off the mindset
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2015-11-19T08:59:44 < PaulFertser> ds2: for me reading C code is possible only because people follow some indentation rules, when they do not, I'm getting all confused (and more often that not those who write code like that are confused too).
2015-11-19T09:00:06 < bloated> spinellis wrote a good book 'code reading'
2015-11-19T09:04:23 < ds2> PaulFertser: if you are used to hunting down the braces, the python stuff really really messes with you
2015-11-19T09:04:35 < ds2> each python program seems line one giantic statement
2015-11-19T09:06:37 < bloated> if you have trouble with a language that was specifically designed for readability
2015-11-19T09:10:12 < ds2> it is designed to be difficult
2015-11-19T09:10:23 < ds2> fortran has the same problem
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2015-11-19T09:39:15 < dongs> anyone remember offhand if MCO1 on F4, when src'd from say HSE, does that just mean the whatever frequency crystal is ata?
2015-11-19T09:40:10 < ReadError> yea
2015-11-19T09:40:35 < dongs> really wish  i had a scope here
2015-11-19T09:40:39 < dongs> dont efen know if shit is clocking
2015-11-19T09:40:40 < dongs> lulz
2015-11-19T09:40:44 < dongs> how about AF
2015-11-19T09:41:54 < dongs> looks liek MCO af is default 0
2015-11-19T09:42:27 < ReadError> yea dont recall setting AF when using mco
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2015-11-19T10:04:00 < Ecco> Oh by the way
2015-11-19T10:04:13 < Ecco> I mounted one of the dirtypcbs
2015-11-19T10:04:22 < Ecco> It's working :)
2015-11-19T10:08:14 < dongs> surprise
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2015-11-19T11:01:02 < qyx> wat hunting braces and unreadable python?
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2015-11-19T11:20:39 < GargantuaSauce> my favourite python quote is 'if you never used it, "the zen of python" comes off as obtuse and pretentious. if you did, also a complete lie'
2015-11-19T11:21:45 < ReadError> http://hastebin.com/ulepixabuf.parser3
2015-11-19T11:21:57 < ReadError> check out this awesome perl script i found earlier
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2015-11-19T11:48:35 < dongs> just beacueys you can write shit in any langauge doesnt me you should
2015-11-19T11:48:37 < dongs> , you faggot
2015-11-19T11:49:40 < dongs> but python enables you to write shit
2015-11-19T11:50:34 < __rob> pythons a great language
2015-11-19T11:51:02 < __rob> for quickly doing things
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2015-11-19T11:54:45 < bloated> VisualBasic++ ftw
2015-11-19T11:54:54 < bloated> for quickly doing things
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2015-11-19T12:14:02 < dongs> lewl
2015-11-19T12:14:08 < dongs> just found my old comment on zano jewtub video
2015-11-19T12:14:10 < dongs> Johnny Bravo 9 months ago I have a 100 dollars saying it isn't this easy to use. Reply  ·
2015-11-19T12:14:14 < dongs> timecop1080 8 months ago I have another 100 that says this won't do anything advertised in this video..
2015-11-19T12:15:27 < __rob> shoulda done a custom bet with ladbrokes
2015-11-19T12:16:01 < bloated> maybe there is no Ivan and zano is all dongs trolling
2015-11-19T12:16:10 < dongs> shh
2015-11-19T12:16:16 < __rob> likely have got good odds. 2.5 million dollar campaign. how could they fail to deliver *something*
2015-11-19T12:16:30 < dongs> becaues dumb
2015-11-19T12:16:49 < Roklobsta> dongs got chinagirl to send torquing a bunch of dodgy clone parts.
2015-11-19T12:17:15 < dongs> hah i just got chinaspam in japanese
2015-11-19T12:18:19 < dongs> Iphone 5  LCD+ digitizer    $45/pc..      500pcs
2015-11-19T12:18:20 < dongs> IPhone  6  LCD + digitizer   $79/pc..    500pcs
2015-11-19T12:18:22 < dongs> heh
2015-11-19T12:18:34 < dongs> is lcd fused with digitizer on itrash?
2015-11-19T12:21:45 < jpa-> afaik yes
2015-11-19T12:27:22 < dongs> http://www.hkvstar.com/pdf/Hi3518C.pdf
2015-11-19T12:27:26 < dongs> this looks like a better zanochip
2015-11-19T12:27:29 < dongs> than that other china thing i found
2015-11-19T12:27:46 < dongs> oh fuck, it still needs exernal ddr
2015-11-19T12:27:49 < dongs> lame
2015-11-19T12:30:38 < dongs> . 176-pin QFP RoHS Package, body size 20mm x 20mm with 0.4mm pitch
2015-11-19T12:30:40 < dongs> lul...
2015-11-19T12:30:44 < dongs> DDR3 and QFP
2015-11-19T12:30:46 < dongs> da fuq
2015-11-19T12:32:13 < PeterM> lengthmatched legs m8
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2015-11-19T12:53:07 < dongs> http://support.hkvstar.com/file/Hi3518E.pdf ah thats the one
2015-11-19T12:53:09 < dongs> thats on cheap chinacams
2015-11-19T12:54:09 < dongs> that would be a purrfect zano
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2015-11-19T13:21:44 < dongs> fucking lunix
2015-11-19T13:24:18 < akaWolf> dongs: what is wrong that time, dongie? :)
2015-11-19T13:24:19 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the world needs more wince devices
2015-11-19T13:24:31 < akaWolf> with linux
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2015-11-19T13:43:24 < dongs> http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/11/18/helicopter-crashes-at-palomar-airport/ lol
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2015-11-19T14:09:16 < dongs> time to figure out how to do double-buffer DMA
2015-11-19T14:09:18 < dongs> i think i had that setup before
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2015-11-19T15:51:07 < dongs> is 512byte buffer enough to play 24khz audio while reading SD into 2nd one?
2015-11-19T15:51:13 < dongs> or shiould I make it moar
2015-11-19T15:53:54 < zygron_> PCM / 16bits per sample?
2015-11-19T15:54:01 < dongs> y
2015-11-19T15:54:03 < dongs> mono
2015-11-19T15:54:31 < jpa-> 20 milliseconds.. should be enough if you never write to the sd card
2015-11-19T15:54:35 < zygron_> that's like 10ms of audio... haven't done that with MCUs, that seems a bit short though maybe i'm wrong
2015-11-19T15:54:52 < dongs> ya its read only
2015-11-19T15:54:55 < dongs> kk ill try.
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2015-11-19T15:55:10 < dongs> still refactoring code from a huge main() into separate bits.
2015-11-19T15:55:21 < jpa-> worst case FAT is very fragmented and it gets slow, but in that case you are busted anyway
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2015-11-19T15:56:28 < ReadError> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_416641_2.jpg
2015-11-19T15:56:29 < ReadError> heh
2015-11-19T15:56:31 < zygron_> can you stream PCM to the DAC using DMA on e.g STM32F4?
2015-11-19T15:56:36 < dongs> thats waht im doing
2015-11-19T15:56:40 < dongs> on f4.
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2015-11-19T15:57:03 < zygron_> dongs: and do you offset the data by VDD/2 or something?
2015-11-19T15:57:08 < dongs> yes
2015-11-19T15:57:37 < dongs> i did this with static buffers
2015-11-19T15:57:38 < _Getty> what the hell is that?
2015-11-19T15:57:46 < dongs> preparing the data in flash
2015-11-19T15:57:52 < dongs> i will have to do it in realtime i guess for sd reads.
2015-11-19T15:57:55 < Laurenceb> is that what I think it is
2015-11-19T15:58:00 < ReadError> http://www.dx.com/p/cy-sa-192-10-x-micro-sd-tf-memory-card-to-sata-ssd-adapter-with-raid-quad-2-5-inch-sata-converter-416641
2015-11-19T15:58:04 < zygron_> an HDD with SD cards?
2015-11-19T15:58:05 < Laurenceb> a µSD SSD
2015-11-19T15:58:06 < _Getty> so SD2SSD?
2015-11-19T15:58:07 < Laurenceb> omg
2015-11-19T15:58:08 < zygron_> ahaha
2015-11-19T15:58:10 < Laurenceb> genius
2015-11-19T15:58:21 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/jDTq5090.html < this was my ghetto shifter
2015-11-19T15:58:32 < Laurenceb> only ten cards?
2015-11-19T15:58:37 < dongs> haha
2015-11-19T15:58:40 < dongs> nice how top side is eMMC
2015-11-19T15:58:42 < dongs> adn bottom side isd SD
2015-11-19T15:58:47 < dongs> you can mount either
2015-11-19T15:58:54 < Laurenceb> oh sweet
2015-11-19T15:59:05 < Laurenceb> holy shit thats cheap
2015-11-19T15:59:29 < Laurenceb> should fit 2.56TB then
2015-11-19T15:59:33 < dongs> err
2015-11-19T15:59:35 < dongs> how?
2015-11-19T15:59:47 < Laurenceb> 256GB cards
2015-11-19T15:59:53 < dongs> arent those like $100/ea
2015-11-19T16:00:02 < Laurenceb> so
2015-11-19T16:00:06 < dongs> 4) Do NOT support UHS-I <<< lollll
2015-11-19T16:00:12 < dongs> utterly usless
2015-11-19T16:00:17 < dongs> so you get liek 20meg/sec reads
2015-11-19T16:00:18 < Laurenceb>  lulwut
2015-11-19T16:00:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/111712911371?adgroupid=13585920426&hlpht=true&hlpv=2&rlsatarget=kwd-131843261346&adtype=pla&ff3=1&lpid=122&poi=&ul_noapp=true&limghlpsr=true&ff19=0&device=c&chn=ps&campaignid=207297426&crdt=0&ff12=67&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff14=122&viphx=1&ops=true&ff13=80
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2015-11-19T16:00:35 < dongs> ya lemme buy 10 of those
2015-11-19T16:00:53 < Laurenceb> ok so how do I make an 0603 LED flash?
2015-11-19T16:01:16 < bloated> dump 10A into it
2015-11-19T16:01:17 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2015-11-19T16:01:19 < Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A138R-Flashing-LED-SMD-0805-RED-blinking-LED-rot-/191039349542
2015-11-19T16:01:38 < zygron_> Laurenceb: looks like some shit that's just 1GB with a hacked controller and wraps around
2015-11-19T16:01:48 < dongs> 1`gb?
2015-11-19T16:01:54 < dongs> probly 128mb max
2015-11-19T16:01:55 < Laurenceb> zygron_: yeah
2015-11-19T16:02:04 < dongs> or 256mb maybe
2015-11-19T16:02:17 < dongs> <Chink> mb? gb? fuckit i dont know the difference gota sell
2015-11-19T16:02:31 < zygron_> dongs: friend of mine came back from china 3 years ago "eh i got a super deal on USB stick!" he bought like 200... you guess the rest
2015-11-19T16:02:36 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-19T16:02:53 < zygron_> "but i tested them ! i copied a big file on them! they work!" ahahaha
2015-11-19T16:02:58 < dongs> i bought a 16gb microsd from japan seller, hoping it was gonna be fucking legit and i get it in a couple days instead of a week
2015-11-19T16:03:08 < dongs> got it in a couple of days, card wrapped around at 1gb
2015-11-19T16:04:43 < ReadError> i just stick to the samsung sd cards
2015-11-19T16:04:47 < ReadError> best ive used
2015-11-19T16:04:52 < ReadError> cheap too
2015-11-19T16:07:12 < zygron_> by the way, are there interesting chinese source for STM32 stuff? say STM32F429ZIT6? friend of mine who's in Shenzhen got a few quotes but it seems they're about the same price as what we can get in europe
2015-11-19T16:07:32 < dongs> there are cheaper things but it depends how popular they are
2015-11-19T16:07:38 < dongs> less popular stuff will be more expensive
2015-11-19T16:07:44 < dongs> STM32s that are on -discovery boardsa re very cheap
2015-11-19T16:08:19 < dongs> like 407VE or whatever is almost same price or cheaper as 405RG etc
2015-11-19T16:08:27 < dongs> even tho its bigger + more flash
2015-11-19T16:08:34 < zygron_> i see
2015-11-19T16:09:40 < zygron_> the STM32F429ZIT6 is what's on the STM32F4disco (the one with the lcd) hum, so i should tell him to look further
2015-11-19T16:09:57 < ReadError> check taoboa?
2015-11-19T16:10:22 < dongs> i see it for $7.8-ish
2015-11-19T16:10:29 < dongs> how much is it on digidong?
2015-11-19T16:10:40 < dongs> $18
2015-11-19T16:10:40 < dongs> lol
2015-11-19T16:10:41 < dongs> k
2015-11-19T16:10:48 < dongs> yeah around 7.8-8$ is what it sholud be
2015-11-19T16:11:04 < zygron_> ReadEError: is there an english version or something that would be easier to use than the all chinese one? (besides using google translate)
2015-11-19T16:11:04 < zygron_> ah
2015-11-19T16:11:11 < zygron_> good to know
2015-11-19T16:11:13 < ReadError> why did ST use all these retarded models on the nucleos
2015-11-19T16:11:23 < ReadError> guess its part of the scam
2015-11-19T16:11:39 < dongs> huh 429 is MSL3
2015-11-19T16:11:48 < dongs> i thoguht they were mostly dont care
2015-11-19T16:11:55 < karlp> nuceleos are fuckign weird boards
2015-11-19T16:11:55 < dongs> maybe cuz bigger plastic package
2015-11-19T16:12:04 < karlp> just gotta get on board that mbed train I guess.
2015-11-19T16:12:14 < dongs> mbed > cube at least...
2015-11-19T16:12:15 < karlp> what's MSL3 mean?
2015-11-19T16:12:22 < dongs> moisture sensitivty shit
2015-11-19T16:12:27 < ReadError> karlp well they are cheap
2015-11-19T16:12:40 < ReadError> ive transplanted mcus on a few
2015-11-19T16:12:41 < dongs> fuck im blogging ad not coding
2015-11-19T16:12:48 < dongs> lol, fucking cloner
2015-11-19T16:12:49 < ReadError> since its easier than other options
2015-11-19T16:13:41 < dongs> hm crap
2015-11-19T16:13:58 < dongs> so not only will i needt o read the crap into buffer ill need to dc offset it after
2015-11-19T16:15:01 < jpa-> you can do that 4 bytes at a time
2015-11-19T16:15:28 < zygron_> dong: where did you see at at $8?
2015-11-19T16:15:59 < dongs> zygron_: im saying that should be the price i would expect it to be
2015-11-19T16:16:12 < zygron_> oh
2015-11-19T16:16:12 < dongs> one of my suppliers has it listed for that
2015-11-19T16:16:35 < dongs> https://www.verical.com/pd/stmicroelectronics-microcontroller-stm32f429zit6-788913 also here for $1
2015-11-19T16:16:38 < dongs> er $11
2015-11-19T16:16:38 < dongs> also not too bad
2015-11-19T16:16:47 < dongs> if you wanna avoid china
2015-11-19T16:16:56 < dongs> still better htan $18/singles in diginey
2015-11-19T16:17:59 < dongs> hm what the hell why I dont see memory1baseadddress thing in DMA init struct
2015-11-19T16:19:02 < jpa-> are
2015-11-19T16:19:02 < jpa-> you
2015-11-19T16:19:03 < jpa-> using
2015-11-19T16:19:05 < jpa-> cube???
2015-11-19T16:19:07 < dongs> nope
2015-11-19T16:19:10 < dongs> stdperiph
2015-11-19T16:19:14 < jpa-> lol
2015-11-19T16:19:28 < dongs> o, its DMA_DoubleBufferModeConfig
2015-11-19T16:19:29 < zygron_> we're getting them at $12 from Future so it's not that bad... guess i'll stick with them
2015-11-19T16:19:40 < dongs> zyg, sounds pretty good
2015-11-19T16:19:48 < dongs> yeah unless youre buying 100s/1000s its probly not worth it
2015-11-19T16:20:57 < zygron_> i wish i could have control over the revision number ... zyp scared me with the silicon bug that affects one of the PIN and the flash on rev1
2015-11-19T16:20:58 < __rob> just paid $30 + p&p for an stm32f439 from ebay
2015-11-19T16:21:00 < __rob> totally robbed
2015-11-19T16:21:24 < Sync> rekt
2015-11-19T16:21:24 < jpa-> and it is just the package
2015-11-19T16:25:04 < _Getty> everybody is now laughing about the encryption-topic cause the paris attacker coordinated via unencrypted sms
2015-11-19T16:25:27 < _Getty> and i am just sitting here thinking "so now government has a reason to just store all traffic"
2015-11-19T16:26:14 < bloated> __rob: you won't know that until it arrives and you use it and it actually works
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2015-11-19T16:45:35 < __rob> had no choice
2015-11-19T16:45:44 < __rob> mouser and farnell seem to be out of stock for weeks
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2015-11-19T16:52:03 < dongs> should I be edgy and do *dest++ = foo
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2015-11-19T16:55:06 < Fleck> whats edgy about it?
2015-11-19T16:55:26 < qyx> it's meh
2015-11-19T16:55:48 < dongs> cuz i duno which get sdone first, dereference or inc
2015-11-19T16:56:39 < dongs> haha there are 270 results on google with double buffered DMA using stdperiphlib
2015-11-19T16:56:45 < dongs> i wonder if i shoulnt even try
2015-11-19T16:57:41 < dongs> http://uctscholar.uct.ac.za/PDF/172819_Martindale_Christine.pdf found Laurenceb__ project
2015-11-19T16:58:25 < Sync> dongs: ++ is moar important
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2015-11-19T17:00:45 < tkoskine> I did double buffered DMA UART transfer for stm32f4 from scratch. Took something like 3-4 weeks (wall clock time) to get fully working. :)
2015-11-19T17:00:53 < dongs> heh
2015-11-19T17:01:00 < __rob> dongs, *dest++ will dereference dest
2015-11-19T17:01:17 < dongs> what will it do on left side>
2015-11-19T17:01:31 < dongs> will it put value into *dest then increment the pointer?
2015-11-19T17:01:36 < dongs> or increment first then put value in
2015-11-19T17:01:43 < Sync> increment first
2015-11-19T17:01:45 < dongs> also: will *++dest work?
2015-11-19T17:02:05 < dongs> sync, are you sure
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2015-11-19T17:02:34 < Sync> yes dongs
2015-11-19T17:02:53 < Sync> ++ has precedence 1
2015-11-19T17:03:06 < Sync> or 2 if right to left
2015-11-19T17:07:54 < __rob> if you want to assign to *dest then increment dest think that looks right
2015-11-19T17:08:20 < dongs> that contradicts with what sync says :)
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2015-11-19T17:08:29 < __rob> I always wrap stuff like that in brackets to make it clear to me later what the intention was when I find its bugged
2015-11-19T17:08:48 < Sync> *dest++ is parsed as *(dest++) iirc
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2015-11-19T17:10:03 < __rob> yea, so ++ will return dest for dereference
2015-11-19T17:10:53 < __rob> dongs, dont think that contradicts sync
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2015-11-19T17:22:12 < dongs> i just moved shit around and now opening SD card hardfaults
2015-11-19T17:22:16 < dongs> changd nothing :(
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2015-11-19T17:25:12 < dongs> ah, out of stocok :)
2015-11-19T17:25:13 < dongs> er stack
2015-11-19T17:28:11 < dongs> tkoskine: do i need to do anything for it to auto-swap buffers?
2015-11-19T17:28:13 < Sync> ~swag
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2015-11-19T18:02:56 < dongs> hm
2015-11-19T18:02:59 < dongs> now fucking dma isnt even starting
2015-11-19T18:03:00 < dongs> wtff
2015-11-19T18:03:34 < zygron_> dongs: you've been ZANOed!
2015-11-19T18:04:15 < dongs> yep
2015-11-19T18:04:21 < dongs> i shoulda used asm
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2015-11-19T18:13:35 < dongs> holy shit
2015-11-19T18:13:42 < dongs> if I enable systick, the DMA stops working
2015-11-19T18:13:44 < dongs> what the hell
2015-11-19T18:14:10 < ReadError> get stoned and take a bath and sleep
2015-11-19T18:14:31 < dongs> thats the plan
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2015-11-19T18:35:59 < kakimir> ux305ca is incredible
2015-11-19T18:36:19 < kakimir> fanless laptop running csgo no problems at fullhd
2015-11-19T18:36:42 < kakimir> and without psu still for hours
2015-11-19T18:37:15 < kakimir> at full power
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2015-11-19T18:43:37 < zygron_> kakimir: looks impressive
2015-11-19T18:43:51 < zygron_> kakimir: better specs than the surface pro 4, at half the price
2015-11-19T18:43:53 < Sync> they are not bad
2015-11-19T18:44:42 < kakimir> fullhd is ok for 13"
2015-11-19T18:44:53 < kakimir> display even have some colors
2015-11-19T18:45:02 < kakimir> keyboard is nice
2015-11-19T18:45:05 < Sync> you can also get it in 4k
2015-11-19T18:45:10 < Sync> "nice"
2015-11-19T18:45:12 < Sync> it is okay
2015-11-19T18:45:18 < kakimir> that
2015-11-19T18:45:41 < kakimir> still prefer my mechanical
2015-11-19T18:45:55 < Sync> I think I could get used to it but it is pretty wobbly in the middle
2015-11-19T18:46:49 < zygron_> a detachable keyboard like on the surface would have been better
2015-11-19T18:47:13 < zygron_> hrm nevermind that's stupid, the mobo is in the keyboard not the screen
2015-11-19T18:47:18 < zygron_> duh
2015-11-19T18:47:32 < Sync> I hate the keyboard in the surface bro
2015-11-19T18:47:34 < kakimir> view angles have no problems
2015-11-19T18:47:43 < zygron_> sync: the type cover is not that bad
2015-11-19T18:47:45 < englishman> surface bro kb is pretty meh-inspiring
2015-11-19T18:48:10 < zygron_> touch cover is crap, type cover is ok
2015-11-19T18:49:47 < ReadError> https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks/ASUS-ZENBOOK-UX305CA/websites/global/products/KD3otnzuWXS4fp1g/img/08/fg.jpg
2015-11-19T18:49:49 < ReadError> sold
2015-11-19T18:50:18 < Sync> do you even type bro
2015-11-19T18:50:28 < Sync> the cover flexes like mad
2015-11-19T18:52:36 < ReadError> wtf
2015-11-19T18:52:39 < ReadError> 900mhz?
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2015-11-19T18:53:02 < kakimir> it's not celeron
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2015-11-19T18:53:33 < ReadError> Processor	0.9 GHz core_m
2015-11-19T18:53:45 < kakimir> it seems to have easily more practical power than my core 2 duo with 2.2ghz
2015-11-19T18:54:09 < kakimir> or 5year old laptop with i3 or so
2015-11-19T18:54:45 < kakimir> 3-4years old
2015-11-19T18:54:51 < ReadError> but 900mhz ^.^
2015-11-19T18:54:58 < englishman> haha, suspicious they dont ever mention it on product page https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ASUS-ZENBOOK-UX305CA/specifications/
2015-11-19T18:55:01 < kakimir> it's good thing
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2015-11-19T18:56:18 < ReadError> not sure about that
2015-11-19T18:57:24 < kakimir> 2.2ghz turbo
2015-11-19T18:57:31 < kakimir> what ever it means
2015-11-19T18:57:38 < englishman> but it runs csgo, an engine released 15 years ago so it must be good
2015-11-19T18:58:01 < kakimir> I have computers that do not run csgo properly
2015-11-19T18:58:07 < kakimir> and I use em
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2015-11-19T19:02:03 < Steffanx> 286?
2015-11-19T19:02:10 < Steffanx> 386?
2015-11-19T19:06:39 < dongs> uhh
2015-11-19T19:06:42 < dongs> "latest core M'
2015-11-19T19:06:49 < dongs> thats the gimped shit that runs in fagbook air
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2015-11-19T19:07:33 < dongs> and no displayport
2015-11-19T19:07:37 < dongs> asus can go fuck themselves
2015-11-19T19:09:09 < kakimir> does fuking fagbook have skylake?
2015-11-19T19:09:16 < kakimir> and that 999eur model?
2015-11-19T19:09:23 < kakimir> I doubt it
2015-11-19T19:10:29 < dongs> no clue
2015-11-19T19:10:34 < dongs> but coreM is aids
2015-11-19T19:10:40 < dongs> that shit is in the cheapass surface3
2015-11-19T19:10:44 < dongs> that was out like months ago
2015-11-19T19:10:47 < dongs> that nobody wants
2015-11-19T19:10:51 < dongs> i7 or fuck off
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2015-11-19T19:12:31 < kakimir> you mad
2015-11-19T19:12:37 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/YgbJGo5.jpg
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2015-11-19T19:13:31 < zygron_> ahahah
2015-11-19T19:13:39 < zygron_> took me a while to spot it
2015-11-19T19:14:24 < kakimir> dongs sends his regards
2015-11-19T19:14:25 < dongs> oaky so uh......................... why would a simple buffer memory2peripheral DMA NOT WORK if I enable systick LOL
2015-11-19T19:14:36 < dongs> this is bizzare
2015-11-19T19:14:48 < kakimir> just enable?
2015-11-19T19:14:49 < dongs> systick on = DMA doesnt start.
2015-11-19T19:14:51 < dongs> yes.
2015-11-19T19:15:00 < kakimir> you have uncleared interrupt something
2015-11-19T19:15:10 < kakimir> blocking shiet
2015-11-19T19:15:27 < emeb> Is there a memory fault analyzer like valgrind that works on ARM GCC?
2015-11-19T19:15:52 < dongs> its not memory
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2015-11-19T19:16:09 < emeb> Not talking about your problem - I've got bugs of my own. :)
2015-11-19T19:16:35 < dongs> oh it gets better
2015-11-19T19:16:48 < dongs> RCC_GetClocksFreq() tells me my SYSCLK is 349999944
2015-11-19T19:17:41 < dongs> time to change hse_value
2015-11-19T19:18:06 < dongs> thats better.
2015-11-19T19:18:46 < __rob> emeb, hard faults ?
2015-11-19T19:19:27 < dongs> ok, that was it
2015-11-19T19:19:35 < dongs> now at least shit doesnt crap itself.
2015-11-19T19:19:40 < dongs> now to figure out why dma still doesnt start :)
2015-11-19T19:20:14 < dongs> emeb: ever done double-buffered DMA on F4?
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2015-11-19T19:20:56 < jpa-> dongs: why do you use double buffered anyway, wouldn't ring-buffered be enough?
2015-11-19T19:21:15 < dongs> jpa, im reading shit from sd and swapping buffers ?
2015-11-19T19:21:20 < dongs> i duno i figured that would be easier than something else?
2015-11-19T19:21:21 < emeb> dongs: Never double. Only circular with full/half flags.
2015-11-19T19:22:08 < jpa-> yeah, same for me
2015-11-19T19:22:11 < dongs> hurm
2015-11-19T19:22:13 < jpa-> never saw the need for double buffer
2015-11-19T19:22:26 < dongs> but doesnt that mean i have to read SD inside DMA IRQ?
2015-11-19T19:22:31 < zygron_> DMA has a half completion interrupt right?
2015-11-19T19:22:34 < jpa-> nope
2015-11-19T19:22:34 < dongs> yes
2015-11-19T19:23:00 < jpa-> you can check HTIF and CTIF in main loop also if you want
2015-11-19T19:23:22 < dongs> but i dont get it, if SD reading is significantly faster
2015-11-19T19:23:27 < dongs> then if I start filling same buffer @ HT
2015-11-19T19:23:38 < dongs> it will overfill it quickly and keep playing new shit already?
2015-11-19T19:23:39 < dongs> or wat
2015-11-19T19:23:55 < jpa-> you fill only half of the buffer at each time
2015-11-19T19:24:03 < dongs> the buffersa re alread small enough
2015-11-19T19:24:07 < dongs> (512b)
2015-11-19T19:24:11 < dongs> no eneed to make them even smaller
2015-11-19T19:24:19 < jpa-> yes, so with circular buffer you would have one 1024b buffer
2015-11-19T19:24:40 < jpa-> in HCIF you fill buffer[0] to buffer[511], in TCIF you fill buffer[512] to buffer[1023]
2015-11-19T19:24:56 < dongs> hm.
2015-11-19T19:24:58 < dongs> allright.
2015-11-19T19:25:13 < jpa-> of course the double buffer mode should work also, but i've never needed it
2015-11-19T19:25:59 < dongs> but i haveto change DMA's CNDTR + M0AR or wahever in each one right?
2015-11-19T19:26:03 < dongs> or just fill data
2015-11-19T19:26:06 < dongs> anddont do anythign
2015-11-19T19:26:07 < jpa-> just fill data
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2015-11-19T19:28:11 < zygron_> as the playback buffer is transfered to the DAC, when it's halfway through (HCIF) you initiate a SD card dma transfer the first half of the playback buffer, then when playback buf to DAC fully completed you initiate a SD card transfer to second half of the playback buffer and so on? is that it?
2015-11-19T19:28:29 < jpa-> yeah
2015-11-19T19:31:13 < dongs> fifomode on or off?
2015-11-19T19:32:08 < jpa-> off, though it doesn't matter much for this
2015-11-19T19:32:29 < jpa-> it improves performance but causes complexity when you want to stop the transfer
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2015-11-19T19:39:32 < kakimir> you guys need i7 to irc and see internet shit and to send zano forum posts?
2015-11-19T19:39:39 < kakimir> or what
2015-11-19T19:39:50 < ReadError> i need an i7 because its almost 2016
2015-11-19T19:40:02 < zygron_> kakimir: you forget 4K porn on multiple screens
2015-11-19T19:40:09 < ReadError> pretty sure we broke the 1ghz barrier like 11+ years ago
2015-11-19T19:40:26 < ReadError> atleast
2015-11-19T19:40:43 < kakimir> no mate
2015-11-19T19:40:52 < kakimir> ¨frequencies are going down
2015-11-19T19:41:03 < kakimir> there is things with 1.2ghz max!
2015-11-19T19:41:42 < kakimir> some celeron shit
2015-11-19T19:42:23 < kakimir> under 2ghz cpus are concidered useable for typical wanker
2015-11-19T19:42:52 < ReadError> yea, they make wonderful computers for your grandma to browse facebook on
2015-11-19T19:43:01 < kakimir> yes
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2015-11-19T19:43:30 < kakimir> but my grandma had faster computer I had for years
2015-11-19T19:43:48 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/wCrBo628.html ok ignoring everything else, wtf am i doing wrong
2015-11-19T19:44:01 < dongs> its probly something dumb
2015-11-19T19:45:18 < kakimir> how the fuck you power your ultrabook with i7 and dedicated graphics unit for 10hours without psu
2015-11-19T19:45:24 < kakimir> or even 5?
2015-11-19T19:45:39 < dongs> i dont, i dont play csgo like a faggot
2015-11-19T19:45:41 < ReadError> live in a firstworld country that has power?
2015-11-19T19:45:45 < dongs> ^
2015-11-19T19:45:48 < kakimir> you _don't_
2015-11-19T19:46:06 < ReadError> are you like running off into the forest and playing csgo ?
2015-11-19T19:46:09 < dongs> i dont want 10hours battery life, i just want a fucking ethernet port
2015-11-19T19:46:31 < dongs> wifi is fucking godawful
2015-11-19T19:46:36 < dongs> utter shite
2015-11-19T19:46:39 < kakimir> who the hell using laptop would like to sit fucking psu and ethernet cables in their ass for 10hours in row
2015-11-19T19:46:40 < Sync> kek
2015-11-19T19:47:09 < Sync> I don't mind wifi
2015-11-19T19:47:12 < ReadError> who wants to type on a laptop keyboard for 10 hours ^.^
2015-11-19T19:47:23  * kakimir fans his face with his ultrabook
2015-11-19T19:47:28 < englishman> or play csgo with a track pad
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2015-11-19T19:47:38 < dongs> he plays it with touchscreen
2015-11-19T19:47:44 < dongs> ok waht the fuck is wrong wiht my code
2015-11-19T19:47:53 < kakimir> would totally irc 10hours with this multitouch no problems
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2015-11-19T19:48:10 < dongs> junktouch
2015-11-19T19:48:35 < kakimir> who the hell wants laptop over 1.2kg weight
2015-11-19T19:48:47 < dongs> ethernet plug doesnt weigh 2kg
2015-11-19T19:49:10 < dongs> am i getting right dma flag status shit
2015-11-19T19:49:18 < dongs> or are those only for interrupts
2015-11-19T19:49:53 < dongs> oh im not clearing int
2015-11-19T19:49:54 < dongs> it
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2015-11-19T19:50:48 < kakimir> can I connect ethernets via hdmi?
2015-11-19T19:51:01 < kakimir> what is hdmi ethernets for?
2015-11-19T19:51:06 < dongs> no, some uslessshit
2015-11-19T19:51:17 < kakimir> some control crap?
2015-11-19T19:51:23 < dongs> yeah plus its only 100mbit
2015-11-19T19:51:30 < dongs> or maybe even 10 only
2015-11-19T19:51:46 < kakimir> I dont have lan shiet anyways
2015-11-19T19:51:53 < kakimir> it's just my isp and me
2015-11-19T19:51:55 < dongs> hm htif never gets set.
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2015-11-19T19:52:36 < Rob235> look at who's having dma troubles now :)
2015-11-19T19:53:00 < dongs> psh, this is different from your shit
2015-11-19T19:53:07 < zygron_> ahahah
2015-11-19T19:53:32 < __rob> dongs, what do you think of the microdone ?
2015-11-19T19:53:38 < __rob> zano has got me wanting a cheap done
2015-11-19T19:53:50 < __rob> well, cheap quadcopter to chase my cat
2015-11-19T19:53:51 < dongs> __rob: garbage, just get cheerson cx10/20/wahtever
2015-11-19T19:53:56 < dongs> for <= $50
2015-11-19T19:54:02 < dongs> microdron is another retarded scam
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2015-11-19T19:56:21 < Rob235> oh dongs, i grabbed the wrong ubec (12v instead of 5v) and fried the 72 leds on my drone before I got it working yesterday.  Not my proudest moment...
2015-11-19T19:56:28 < dongs> cool
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2015-11-19T19:56:59 < ReadError> > 72 leds
2015-11-19T19:57:00 < zygron_> Rob235: 72 leds on your drone?
2015-11-19T19:57:01 < __rob> hah, CX-10, £10
2015-11-19T19:57:01 < ReadError> > drone
2015-11-19T19:57:04 < ReadError> oh dear
2015-11-19T19:57:07 < Rob235> :)
2015-11-19T19:57:53 < Rob235> 12 on each arm, when I get the new led strip in I'm going to change it to 11 per arm, need more room
2015-11-19T19:57:53 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/tiVmU
2015-11-19T19:57:55 < Rob235> second pic
2015-11-19T19:58:29 < zygron_> eh that's not a drone
2015-11-19T19:58:33 < ReadError> ok atleast its not a f450
2015-11-19T19:58:47 < ReadError> using a NAZA atleast?
2015-11-19T19:58:48  * zygron_ sees a flying christmas tree
2015-11-19T19:58:55 < Rob235> I'm coding the flight controller
2015-11-19T19:59:29 < Rob235> using an stm32f4 discovery board at the moment.  Might switch to a teensy 3.2
2015-11-19T19:59:37 < ReadError> you should look at timecops stuff
2015-11-19T19:59:42 < ReadError> hes a real drone wizard
2015-11-19T19:59:46 < __rob> how they can make that CX-10 for £10 inc shipping is insane
2015-11-19T19:59:52 < dongs>  you should die for even thinking about using that scumbag teensy shit
2015-11-19T20:00:01 < Rob235> whats wrong with the teensy?
2015-11-19T20:00:14 < zygron_> Rob235: first of all the name
2015-11-19T20:00:18 < Rob235> haha
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2015-11-19T20:00:23 < dongs> everything
2015-11-19T20:00:30 < __rob> dongs, you know if I can run 2 of those cx-10 at the same time ?
2015-11-19T20:00:40 < dongs> 'at same time'?
2015-11-19T20:00:43 < dongs> from same transmitter?
2015-11-19T20:00:45 < dongs> like those norks?
2015-11-19T20:00:46 < __rob> no, 2 people
2015-11-19T20:00:50 < dongs> of course y oucan
2015-11-19T20:00:52 < ReadError> they have diff chans
2015-11-19T20:00:54 < dongs> they bind separately
2015-11-19T20:00:56 < __rob> they presumably have some kind of channels
2015-11-19T20:00:56 < __rob> ahh
2015-11-19T20:00:57 < __rob> ok
2015-11-19T20:00:58 < dongs> and dont share channels
2015-11-19T20:01:02 < dongs> i have like 3
2015-11-19T20:01:06 < dongs> CX10 x2 and CX10C
2015-11-19T20:01:13 < dongs> and they all work at once
2015-11-19T20:01:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: I got my wife a 15$ eachine 8 mini and damn it, that tiny thing just flies, no messing with servos, no rod tuning, no hours of training just to get it in the air without crashing. It just fucking flies wherever it's told to.
2015-11-19T20:01:30 < __rob> ohh, didn't see the 10C
2015-11-19T20:01:36 < __rob> with a camera!
2015-11-19T20:01:36 < dongs> 10C kinda sux
2015-11-19T20:01:44 < dongs> and 3 minute battery life
2015-11-19T20:01:45 < __rob> ohh, how so ?
2015-11-19T20:01:46 < __rob> ahh
2015-11-19T20:01:47 < dongs> but STILL BETTER THAN ZANO
2015-11-19T20:02:08 < __rob> how long is it on the CX10 ?
2015-11-19T20:02:11 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRgDZ5jkJI
2015-11-19T20:02:14 < dongs> like 5-6mins
2015-11-19T20:02:20 < dongs> ^ thts what cx10c camera looks like
2015-11-19T20:02:36 < __rob> yea, pretty good
2015-11-19T20:02:41 < __rob> quite handy for snooping stuff
2015-11-19T20:02:46 < __rob> like checking the gutters
2015-11-19T20:06:10 < __rob> bought one of each
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2015-11-19T20:08:24 < __rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5hDzwi4vA
2015-11-19T20:08:33 < __rob> thats gotta be the most gutting $300 ever
2015-11-19T20:08:53 < __rob> when compared to vids I've just watched of that CX-10C
2015-11-19T20:09:37 < dongs> did that even fly?
2015-11-19T20:09:44 < dongs> i thought in that vid it just bounced around
2015-11-19T20:10:04 < Sync> I wonder if they maybe implemented the flight control in the app :D
2015-11-19T20:10:12 < dongs> no
2015-11-19T20:10:28 < dongs> but it can turn motors both ways!!!!!
2015-11-19T20:10:30 < __rob> 4:30 dongs
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2015-11-19T20:10:38 < __rob> gets off the ground at least
2015-11-19T20:10:43 < Sync> so it can fly inverse, amaze
2015-11-19T20:10:58 < __rob> really want to know what the difference between that and the ones in the videos they showed is
2015-11-19T20:11:11 < __rob> i mean, they did have something working in doors far better
2015-11-19T20:11:26 < __rob> prob never find out now..
2015-11-19T20:12:19 < dongs> rob, could have b een just a chinaquad
2015-11-19T20:12:22 < dongs> inside zano shell
2015-11-19T20:12:23 < __rob> maybe the ones in their studio didn't have all the hardware on them
2015-11-19T20:12:25 < dongs> they never showed that shit clearly
2015-11-19T20:12:43 < __rob> looks just too heavy
2015-11-19T20:15:33 < dongs> https://twit.tv/live thre should be some live zano shit on this soon
2015-11-19T20:15:33 < __rob> lol, someone in the office
2015-11-19T20:15:38 < __rob> 10 rings the first time
2015-11-19T20:15:40 < __rob> 2 the second
2015-11-19T20:15:42 < __rob> and it got cut off
2015-11-19T20:15:45 < dongs> zano office?
2015-11-19T20:15:52 < __rob> Torqing Group
2015-11-19T20:15:52 < __rob> yea
2015-11-19T20:16:37 < kakimir> you stalk them?
2015-11-19T20:16:51 < __rob> I want to see if I can buy any of their equipment
2015-11-19T20:17:00 < kakimir> nice
2015-11-19T20:17:08 < kakimir> get that 100k scope
2015-11-19T20:17:15 < dongs> aheueahahueahuaeuhueaueha
2015-11-19T20:17:19 < __rob> go up there with £10,000 cash and I bet you could get alsorts
2015-11-19T20:17:42 < kakimir> even that 100k scope
2015-11-19T20:17:51 < __rob> its not 100k
2015-11-19T20:17:51 < zygron_> go up there with a crowbar and help yourself
2015-11-19T20:17:57 < __rob> but I bet tehres other stuff too
2015-11-19T20:18:03 < __rob> they bought a whole computer cluster didn't they ?
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2015-11-19T20:18:09 < __rob> for the video processing
2015-11-19T20:18:16 < dongs> "Pembrokeshire County Council Trading Standards officers are making enquiries into the Torquing Group and have visited their headquarters today, following receipt of complaints about Zano mini-drone project. Their enquiries are continuing"
2015-11-19T20:18:30 < kakimir> to stabilize zano assembly stablization program?
2015-11-19T20:18:41 < zygron_> dongs: where is that?
2015-11-19T20:19:43 < __rob> nothing will happen
2015-11-19T20:19:50 < dongs> https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/667381595037265920
2015-11-19T20:20:09 < dongs> ah
2015-11-19T20:20:10 < __rob> pretty hard to prove they actually mislead anyone
2015-11-19T20:20:11 < dongs> i guess its over
2015-11-19T20:20:36 < __rob> so company will get liquidated, everyone will move on, and with luck I'll get some equipment
2015-11-19T20:20:43 < __rob> only 1 ring now and it hangs up
2015-11-19T20:20:54 < zygron_> no replay? :(
2015-11-19T20:20:54 < kakimir> what ring?
2015-11-19T20:21:05 < zygron_> kakimir: phone ring
2015-11-19T20:22:34 < dongs> zygron_: not over yet
2015-11-19T20:22:36 < dongs> hasnt started
2015-11-19T20:22:40 < dongs> they're twatting something else
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2015-11-19T20:22:56 < zygron_> dongs: what timezone is it? it said 10am... it's way past 10am in england
2015-11-19T20:23:14 < zygron_> eh 10am PT
2015-11-19T20:23:22 < zygron_> nevermind
2015-11-19T20:23:47 < dongs> 1PT EST is now
2015-11-19T20:23:50 < dongs> 1:23 anyway
2015-11-19T20:23:58 < dongs> so its around now, but the dude hasnt showed up eyt.
2015-11-19T20:24:19 < zygron_> dongs: can you record that shit?
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2015-11-19T20:24:28 < dongs> not that i know of
2015-11-19T20:25:09 < dongs> lets see if jewtube-dl does it
2015-11-19T20:25:19 < dongs> nope
2015-11-19T20:25:33 < dongs> haha
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2015-11-19T20:25:37 < dongs> they're advertising
2015-11-19T20:25:41 < dongs> fail kickstarter
2015-11-19T20:26:06 < kakimir> jewtube-dl never works as youtube changes their stuff every other week
2015-11-19T20:26:30 < dongs> eh
2015-11-19T20:26:34 < dongs> i havent had trouble
2015-11-19T20:26:40 < dongs> but i only use it like once a month
2015-11-19T20:27:07 < __rob> hmm, still listed as active on HMRC
2015-11-19T20:27:32 < __rob> dongs, do you know if there was a subsidiary company for zano?
2015-11-19T20:27:36 < __rob> or if it was torquing group
2015-11-19T20:27:45 < dongs> torquing / torquign robotics
2015-11-19T20:27:50 < dongs> they did FCC as robotics
2015-11-19T20:27:58 < zyp> dorking group
2015-11-19T20:28:11 < dongs> astrotorquing
2015-11-19T20:28:29 < zygron_> AAAAH
2015-11-19T20:28:29 < dongs> Yes
2015-11-19T20:28:30 < zygron_> it starts
2015-11-19T20:28:31 < dongs> started
2015-11-19T20:29:05 < dongs> http://www.ustream.tv/leolaporte
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2015-11-19T20:34:02 < dongs> nothing new
2015-11-19T20:34:06 < Steffanx> will you be in the stream too dongs?
2015-11-19T20:34:10 < dongs> its over already
2015-11-19T20:34:18 < Steffanx> i want to hear a loud "told you so"
2015-11-19T20:34:19 < Steffanx> awh
2015-11-19T20:34:24 < Steffanx> useless
2015-11-19T20:35:41 < dongs> and my DMA still not working
2015-11-19T20:36:00 < _Getty> your DNA is also probably not really good ;-)
2015-11-19T20:36:02  * _Getty runs fast
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2015-11-19T20:44:07 < dongs> k giving the fuck up
2015-11-19T20:44:15 < __rob> use cube
2015-11-19T20:44:21 < dongs> cube has nothign to do wiht it
2015-11-19T20:44:26 < dongs> im missing something obvious
2015-11-19T20:44:33 < Steffanx> sleep well dongs
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2015-11-19T20:47:59 < Tectu> Thank you terasic...    const bool bVPG = ((IORD(KEY_BASE, 0x00) & 0x01) == 0x00)?TRUE:FALSE;
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2015-11-19T21:28:41 < zygron_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfk-a1JZMbU Laurenceb's project
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2015-11-19T21:48:54 < kakimir> fuque mate... multiplayer on csgo and iiits... unplayable
2015-11-19T21:49:15 < kakimir> without multiplayer nice fps smooth gameplay
2015-11-19T21:49:48 < kakimir> when does it happen that cpu fails you before integrated graphics
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2015-11-19T22:01:45 < BrainDamage> integrated graphics often put a strain the cpu as well
2015-11-19T22:02:14 < BrainDamage> very little is gpu accelerated so it has to be calculated in the cpu
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2015-11-19T22:27:42 < jadew> http://imgur.com/gallery/JwMacJK
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2015-11-19T22:53:25 < kakimir> BrainDamage: it used to be so
2015-11-19T22:53:46 < kakimir> but at least same memmory bus is being utilized
2015-11-19T22:54:36 < kakimir> BrainDamage: changing graphics down and more down didn't change too much.. if anything
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2015-11-19T23:03:10 < upgrdman_> lol  http://i.imgur.com/ml1pKg3.gifv
2015-11-19T23:03:29 < kakimir> multitouch
2015-11-19T23:03:30 < kakimir> hmm
2015-11-19T23:03:32 < kakimir> sweet
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2015-11-19T23:13:57 < zyp> upgrdman_, haha, nice
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2015-11-19T23:14:57 < upgrdman_> :)
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2015-11-20T00:54:22 < mitrax> rotfl
2015-11-20T01:01:09 < mitrax> i had not seen that no.pdf document before
2015-11-20T01:02:33 < mitrax> i had heard they wrote pages and pages of shit during the campain but i didn't think it was that much
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2015-11-20T01:12:25 < kakimir> has there been any excessive reviews on under the hood windows 10 data collection devices?
2015-11-20T01:12:42 < kakimir> where it locates and stuff
2015-11-20T01:13:14 < kakimir> what it tells about itself
2015-11-20T01:14:10 < kakimir> 2hour movie and some youtubes.. 70% battery left - fuck you dongs
2015-11-20T01:14:25 < mitrax> kakimir: oh you actually bought it?
2015-11-20T01:14:33 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-20T01:14:38 < mitrax> how much?
2015-11-20T01:14:45 < kakimir> 866eur
2015-11-20T01:14:56 < mitrax> for what hdd size?
2015-11-20T01:15:52 < kakimir> 128
2015-11-20T01:16:05 < mitrax> ok
2015-11-20T01:16:46 < kakimir> cpu is just slightly too slow
2015-11-20T01:17:59 < mitrax> eh... too bad windows wasn't coded by ivan reedman
2015-11-20T01:18:25 < kakimir> as I said before I had CS:GO running at fullhd but actually joining multiplayer flooded the cpu
2015-11-20T01:19:40 < kakimir> so in the year 2015 integrated graphics fail you last...
2015-11-20T01:19:43 < genewitch> kakimir: i haven't done network level investigation yet i was planning on tackling that next week
2015-11-20T01:20:35 < kakimir> genewitch: you really can get inside the workings of win10?
2015-11-20T01:21:45 < kakimir> genewitch: so you assume there is something funky in the network level?
2015-11-20T01:21:49 < genewitch> kakimir: i can put it in a VM and use the software switch to do packet inspection
2015-11-20T01:22:00 < genewitch> kakimir: well if it is sending data i can see it, can't it
2015-11-20T01:22:02 < genewitch> i*
2015-11-20T01:22:09 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-20T01:22:20 < genewitch> and then i can block the endpoint addresses on my gateway
2015-11-20T01:22:29 < genewitch> that's all i was going to do, maybe write a whitepaper
2015-11-20T01:24:01 < kakimir> but if data collection devices where designed by super smart ai
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2015-11-20T01:24:17 < kakimir> it would hide itself
2015-11-20T01:24:50  * kakimir prepaires some tinfoil hat for himself
2015-11-20T01:25:17 < mitrax> kakimir: however smart the UI would be it wouldn't know you're sniffing on the wire
2015-11-20T01:25:38 < genewitch> yeah it's passive sniffing when you control the switch
2015-11-20T01:26:10 < kakimir> hide data in the stream
2015-11-20T01:26:17 < genewitch> still has to get routed
2015-11-20T01:26:27 < genewitch> and that data is in the clear
2015-11-20T01:27:36 < kakimir> infected routers listening for activation patterns
2015-11-20T01:28:04 < mitrax> kakimir: ...... SKYNET!
2015-11-20T01:28:47 < mitrax> kakimir: btw we're not real people you know ...
2015-11-20T01:29:22 < genewitch> not real people
2015-11-20T01:29:23 < kakimir> I wonder how good bots are when it comes to sarcasm
2015-11-20T01:29:23 < genewitch> not real people
2015-11-20T01:29:58 < kakimir> actually internets tought me sarcasm
2015-11-20T01:30:34 < mitrax> kakimir: even dongs is an AI... one of the beta version though... had to be modified as it swore way too much and had occasional glitches
2015-11-20T01:31:32 < kakimir> it also has this looping the same thing glitch
2015-11-20T01:32:28 < kakimir> did another AI give birth to dongs AI?
2015-11-20T01:34:04 < mitrax> kakimir: no, we're not self replicating
2015-11-20T01:34:30 < kakimir> is there human behind it all?
2015-11-20T01:36:40 < mitrax> kakimir: yeah
2015-11-20T01:36:53 < mitrax> kakimir: David Hasselhoff
2015-11-20T01:37:13 < kakimir> fucking David, I knew it
2015-11-20T01:38:01 < kakimir> how about this
2015-11-20T01:39:28 < kakimir> why Bill Gates is still alive and well and Steve Jobs god damn died like boom and his empire is spiraling down?
2015-11-20T01:40:30 < mitrax> because Jobs was a dumb ass who didn't believe in modern medicine and thought ayurvedic (indian) food would heal his cancer
2015-11-20T01:40:50 < kakimir> that is admireable
2015-11-20T01:41:05 < mitrax> good ridance anyway that guy was a complete asshole
2015-11-20T01:41:23 < kakimir> when I get cancer
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2015-11-20T01:41:31 < kakimir> I do weed every day
2015-11-20T01:42:24 < mitrax> what about fucking everything that moves?
2015-11-20T01:43:03 < mitrax> (while doing weed)
2015-11-20T01:43:03 < kakimir> when I get HIV -
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2015-11-20T02:03:29 < kakimir> fucken disease
2015-11-20T02:03:38 < kakimir> nanobots should repair me notime
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2015-11-20T02:42:27 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2015-11-20T02:43:56 < upgrdman> i dont even    http://imgur.com/a/C1TNP
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2015-11-20T02:48:36 < Laurenceb> looks like blow foam
2015-11-20T02:49:16 < Laurenceb> good for immersion in liquid nitrogen
2015-11-20T02:49:52 < PeterM> yeah filler foam lol
2015-11-20T02:50:04 < PeterM> too bad the pc is like 20 years old
2015-11-20T02:53:19 < PeterM> idea: get like 20 year old very yellowed beige office ocmputer case, put in modern gaming components, take to lan parties, troll
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2015-11-20T02:56:39 < BrainDamage> make sure it has a functional turbo button
2015-11-20T02:56:59 < BrainDamage> toggling i7 turbo overclock mode
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2015-11-20T03:02:46 < upgrdman> intellegent people  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7wEe3G7MQY
2015-11-20T03:04:02 < Laurenceb> holy shit I lolld fanboost.fiaformulae.com/
2015-11-20T03:04:10 < Laurenceb> someone actually thought that was a good idea
2015-11-20T03:12:30 < Sync> de fuk
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2015-11-20T03:32:15 < Sync> Laurenceb: that sounds like a messed up idea
2015-11-20T03:33:27 < upgrdman> sweet bayonet
2015-11-20T03:33:48 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-11-20T03:34:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaktnSmdpMHdfZlU/view?usp=sharing
2015-11-20T03:34:13 < dongs> lol
2015-11-20T03:34:16 < dongs> EXTREME TUNING
2015-11-20T03:34:30 < kakimir> useless sliders
2015-11-20T03:34:36 < dongs> processor ICC: 24amps?
2015-11-20T03:34:49 < dongs> the fuck is this shit
2015-11-20T03:34:51 < dongs> gotta be a troll
2015-11-20T03:34:58 < kakimir> this is intel
2015-11-20T03:35:25 < dongs> are you in some faggot eurocountry where , = decimal point?
2015-11-20T03:35:57 < kakimir> pretty much it is
2015-11-20T03:36:41 < kakimir> but hey, it's nowhere near as bad as having ie. imperial units
2015-11-20T03:37:47 < dongs> laff
2015-11-20T03:37:55 < dongs> okay so my dma still not working
2015-11-20T03:38:05 < kakimir> I think i take all these sliders to max for lulz
2015-11-20T03:38:39 < kakimir> too point complete uselessness of this program
2015-11-20T03:39:45 < kakimir> sleeå>
2015-11-20T03:45:08 < dongs> ok so dma is never fucking starting
2015-11-20T03:45:15 < dongs> its probly order of peripherals getting enabled
2015-11-20T03:45:17 < dongs> thats fucking it up
2015-11-20T03:48:02 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/edKawY45.html latest mess
2015-11-20T03:48:22 < dongs> since its DAC dma, i setup everythign then turn on TIM6
2015-11-20T03:48:43 < dongs> but i duno if thats what I should be doing.
2015-11-20T03:48:46 < dongs> cuz shit never starts.
2015-11-20T03:52:04 < upgrdman> hmm  https://hackaday.com/2015/11/19/on-semiconductor-acquires-fairchild/
2015-11-20T03:52:13 < upgrdman> i didn't even know ON was a big player.
2015-11-20T03:52:20 < dongs> huh
2015-11-20T03:52:24 < upgrdman> ON was motorolla right?
2015-11-20T03:52:27 < dongs> no
2015-11-20T03:52:30 < dongs> but they make a lot of shit
2015-11-20T03:52:33 < dongs> that overlaps
2015-11-20T03:54:02 < upgrdman> oh wait, lol, the article even says so
2015-11-20T03:54:13 < upgrdman> ON Semiconductor’s history is not nearly as interesting, being spun off of Motorola’s semiconductor business in 1999. Although ON’s main line of business was discrete components, ON also has a catalog of quite a few power management ICs.
2015-11-20T03:55:13 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-20T03:55:21 < dongs> and they also make image sensors
2015-11-20T03:55:23 < dongs> betcha you didnt know that
2015-11-20T03:56:34 < BrainDamage> i used plenty of mos from on
2015-11-20T03:56:39 < upgrdman> i didnt :)
2015-11-20T03:57:12 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/numoDwC.webm warning: laurenceb'-grade link
2015-11-20T03:59:27 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-11-20T04:01:41 < upgrdman> reading Hack a Day... "In a related note, we’d like to say ‘hi’ to our one reader in North Korea. Yes, according to the stats and analytics, we have one reader in North Korea."
2015-11-20T04:01:46 < upgrdman> dongs, was that you? lol
2015-11-20T04:01:53 < dongs> yes
2015-11-20T04:03:56 < dongs> FUCK DMA STILL NOT WORKING
2015-11-20T04:03:58 < dongs> the fuck am i doing wrong
2015-11-20T04:04:48 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/gBIDsF23.html this works and loops
2015-11-20T04:04:55 < dongs> but if I use smaller buffers + pretty much same code
2015-11-20T04:04:57 < dongs> it doesnt ven start
2015-11-20T04:04:59 < dongs> WTF
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2015-11-20T04:05:15 < jadew> didn't knwo ON was that big
2015-11-20T04:05:30 < jadew> I thought they're like a lower class player
2015-11-20T04:05:50 < jadew> and always thought fairchild > ON
2015-11-20T04:06:36 < jadew> about the Korean reader, really makes you wonder who he is
2015-11-20T04:06:42 < dongs> kim jong il
2015-11-20T04:06:46 < dongs> avid hardwqare hacker
2015-11-20T04:06:50 < dongs> and MAKE:R
2015-11-20T04:07:34 < jadew> I wonder if it's someone who has to compile a list of note worthy news
2015-11-20T04:08:01 < jadew> or if it's an official that has access to the internet and he's a technical guy
2015-11-20T04:08:29 < jadew> either way, he's a very lucky guy
2015-11-20T04:12:09 < upgrdman> thank you russia  http://195.2.252.170:81/
2015-11-20T04:12:22 < upgrdman> like library genisis for music
2015-11-20T04:15:00 < upgrdman> lin gen? yes
2015-11-20T04:15:22 < upgrdman> but the one i linked is for music
2015-11-20T04:17:30 < upgrdman> ru prefix?
2015-11-20T04:17:38 < dongs> isnt IPV4 all exausted anyway
2015-11-20T04:18:05 < dongs> no, not all of 195 is. it is RIPE's shit but its suballocated.
2015-11-20T04:18:17 < dongs> route:          195.2.0.0/19
2015-11-20T04:18:18 < dongs> descr:          Cable & Wireless Austria Netblock
2015-11-20T04:18:20 < dongs> for example
2015-11-20T04:18:21 < dongs> etc.
2015-11-20T04:20:55 < Sync> upgrdman: it is just another frontend for the VK.ru stuff
2015-11-20T04:21:27 < upgrdman> lol wtf
2015-11-20T04:21:37 < upgrdman> vk.ru is for chocolate?
2015-11-20T04:21:50 < upgrdman> err candy
2015-11-20T04:22:17 < Sync> it is the russian facebook
2015-11-20T04:22:27 < Sync> and you can do api calls against them
2015-11-20T04:22:36 < Sync> and search their uploaded music
2015-11-20T04:23:49 < upgrdman> oh sweet
2015-11-20T04:27:36 < Sync> and since they are in russia, they give zero fucks
2015-11-20T04:28:11 < obnauticus> I have a question regarding an EEPROM. I am wondering how exactly I am supposed to address the page/words for the EEPROM used to configure this BMU chip: http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/isl9/isl94203.pdf
2015-11-20T04:29:10 < obnauticus> I've tried doing just a simple I2C_START, I2C 0x50 +ACK, I2C write 0x00 +ACK, I2C write 0x01 +ACK, I2C_STOP -- but it does not work :(
2015-11-20T04:29:35 < obnauticus> When I try to perform a read on 0x50 it fails.
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2015-11-20T04:31:38 < dongs> er?
2015-11-20T04:31:40 < dongs> it has eeeprom inside?
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2015-11-20T04:31:54 < obnauticus> Yes.
2015-11-20T04:32:04 < obnauticus> (ref page 45 of that datasheet)
2015-11-20T04:33:02 < dongs> it looks like 50 is the shifted address
2015-11-20T04:33:09 < dongs> the actual address is 0x28
2015-11-20T04:33:17 < dongs> if your i2c code shifts
2015-11-20T04:33:20 < dongs> to add r/w bit
2015-11-20T04:33:54 < dongs> so 0xA0 is definitely out
2015-11-20T04:33:56 < obnauticus> huh
2015-11-20T04:34:08 < dongs> did you put a scope on it yet to see if youre actually getting i2c acks etc?
2015-11-20T04:34:12 < obnauticus> Yes.
2015-11-20T04:34:20 < obnauticus> http://pastebin.com/Rgr9Qc5y
2015-11-20T04:34:27 < obnauticus> a capture from my logic analyzer
2015-11-20T04:34:55 < dongs> When writing to the EEPROM, write to all addresses of a page
2015-11-20T04:34:55 < dongs> without an intermediate read operation or use a page write
2015-11-20T04:34:56 < dongs> command. Each page is 4 bytes long, starting at address 0
2015-11-20T04:34:58 < dongs> did you notice this part?>
2015-11-20T04:35:20 < obnauticus> Yes, my question is how to actually implement that
2015-11-20T04:35:37 < dongs> 4 byte writes?
2015-11-20T04:35:45 < dongs> start, addr, subaddr, data1, data2, data3, data4, stop
2015-11-20T04:35:45 < obnauticus> Yes, in a 8bit i2c frame
2015-11-20T04:35:53 < obnauticus> how do you calculate the subaddr?
2015-11-20T04:36:05 < dongs> i'd guess 0, 4, 8, etc
2015-11-20T04:36:24 < dongs> When writing to the EEPROM, write to all addresses of a page
2015-11-20T04:36:24 < dongs> without an intermediate read operation or use a page write
2015-11-20T04:36:28 < dongs> fuskldjfskl
2015-11-20T04:36:29 < dongs> sorry
2015-11-20T04:36:36 < dongs> what offset does eeprom memory start at?
2015-11-20T04:36:46 < obnauticus> I think 0x00, as per what that sheet says
2015-11-20T04:36:54 < dongs> does it have another i2c address for other registers?
2015-11-20T04:36:56 < dongs> like control stuff etc
2015-11-20T04:37:00 < obnauticus> Yes.
2015-11-20T04:37:05 < dongs> ah okay, so probly zero then
2015-11-20T04:37:16 < dongs> so yeah just 0, 4, 8, etc.
2015-11-20T04:37:40 < obnauticus> It has EEPROM and RAM, and at 89H you can set access to RAM or EEPROM
2015-11-20T04:38:20 < dongs> datasheet calls it "register address"
2015-11-20T04:38:23 < dongs> what i called subaddress.
2015-11-20T04:38:48 < dongs> writes are easy, just like i said, and reads are start, address, subaddress, repeat start, read1, read2, read3.. stop
2015-11-20T04:39:40 < obnauticus> So if I wanted to write Page 2, Addr 8 with FFFF, the packet would look something like
2015-11-20T04:40:04 < dongs> start, 50, 8, ff, ff, stop
2015-11-20T04:40:32 < obnauticus> but i need to write that whole page
2015-11-20T04:40:47 < dongs> then, ff ff 00 00
2015-11-20T04:40:55 < dongs> i guess, unless you wanna save the data
2015-11-20T04:40:57 < dongs> then read it first..
2015-11-20T04:41:01 < obnauticus> so I would need to write the "0x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x and 5x" columns
2015-11-20T04:41:04 < obnauticus> yeah read it, and then OR it
2015-11-20T04:41:31 < obnauticus> with 0xXXXXXXX1 (assuming you wanted to fill it with 1)
2015-11-20T04:41:38 < obnauticus> err, replace the LSB with 1
2015-11-20T04:41:51 < obnauticus> so about the endianness of this eeprom
2015-11-20T04:42:17 < dongs> lol? how woudl endian matter in 8bit
2015-11-20T04:42:29 < dongs> page 47 says data1,data2 etc order.
2015-11-20T04:42:33 < obnauticus> ah ok
2015-11-20T04:42:36 < obnauticus> that's true
2015-11-20T04:42:40 < obnauticus> I am still learning
2015-11-20T04:43:48 < obnauticus> from a coding perspective, whats the best way to store a "Default config" and upload it during boot?
2015-11-20T04:43:58 < jadew> upgrdman, that russian site is awesome
2015-11-20T04:44:02 < obnauticus> idk if that eeprom is nonvolatile
2015-11-20T04:44:06 < dongs> wow total zano killer http://www.banggood.com/Hubsan-X4-H501S-5_8G-FPV-With-1080P-HD-Camera-Brushless-Motor-GPS-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-1004657.html
2015-11-20T04:44:10 < jadew> seems to have all the songs on my to-find list
2015-11-20T04:44:26 < upgrdman> jadew, inorite
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2015-11-20T04:45:07 < jadew> thanks for that
2015-11-20T04:45:14 < upgrdman> sure
2015-11-20T04:45:19 < dongs> R2COM: yeah
2015-11-20T04:45:35 < dongs> yes
2015-11-20T04:45:49 < dongs> streaming is not 1080p
2015-11-20T04:45:51 < dongs> it records 1080
2015-11-20T04:45:55 < dongs> unlike zano
2015-11-20T04:46:12 < dongs> im guessing analog 5.8ghz
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2015-11-20T04:46:41 < dongs> 320x240 at most
2015-11-20T04:47:11 < dongs> i wish
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2015-11-20T04:51:23 < dongs> well ith as gps
2015-11-20T04:51:25 < dongs> and shit so
2015-11-20T04:51:30 < dongs> i suspect it would at least hover
2015-11-20T04:51:31 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-20T04:51:39 < dongs> and headfree mode so doesnt matter which way its facing
2015-11-20T04:51:44 < dongs> pushing "foward' always goes forward
2015-11-20T04:51:45 < dongs> etc.
2015-11-20T04:51:54 < dongs> probably not too awful
2015-11-20T04:52:34 < dongs> i mean it does evertything zano claimed to do
2015-11-20T04:52:40 < dongs> and actually exists
2015-11-20T04:52:40 < dongs> for sale
2015-11-20T04:52:48 < dongs> who caresa bout "obstacle avoidance" type shit
2015-11-20T04:53:11 < dongs> might blow 200bux on it just for lulz
2015-11-20T04:53:20 < dongs> to have somethign ready to fly, i dont have time to dick around making shit
2015-11-20T04:53:37 < dongs> the most comp[lex math algorithm it had was ivan copying sin.asm from somewehre
2015-11-20T04:59:07 < obnauticus> Can someone explain to me how someone writes an I2C driver for a generic chip like the STM32F4
2015-11-20T04:59:57 < dongs> 'driver'?
2015-11-20T05:00:07 < dongs> you mean master?
2015-11-20T05:00:24 < dongs> i usually just have something like i2cRead() / i2cWrite() functions
2015-11-20T05:00:30 < dongs> that take address/subaddress/data
2015-11-20T05:00:37 < dongs> then everthing else will call those.
2015-11-20T05:01:10 < obnauticus> well i mean
2015-11-20T05:01:15 < obnauticus> control the pins to actually behave like an i2c master
2015-11-20T05:01:20 < obnauticus> or is that abstracted away somehow
2015-11-20T05:01:27 < dongs> stdperiphlib has i2C stuff.
2015-11-20T05:01:29 < dongs> copypaste.
2015-11-20T05:01:37 < upgrdman> thats what the i2c peripheral does
2015-11-20T05:01:38 < obnauticus> I'm just curious how they do it.
2015-11-20T05:01:42 < upgrdman> or do you want to bit bang?
2015-11-20T05:01:55 < obnauticus> Ehhh...not really
2015-11-20T05:02:04 < dongs> advantage of bitbang i2c on stm32: will actually work
2015-11-20T05:02:16 < obnauticus> I'm just sort-of curious. Say I get a random chip that has an i2c interface. .. how do i actually write a driver and use it
2015-11-20T05:02:31 < obnauticus> or is it just all bitmasks and memory manipulation and timers at that point
2015-11-20T05:02:42 < dongs> just writes to i2c peripheral registers.
2015-11-20T05:02:57 < obnauticus> ah ok
2015-11-20T05:03:08 < upgrdman> obnauticus, here some old code of mine  https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_i2c.c
2015-11-20T05:03:09 < obnauticus> so it's connected like any other eternal device over some bus
2015-11-20T05:03:26 < obnauticus> I guess that's pretty obvious
2015-11-20T05:04:00 < dongs> upgrdman: waht the fuck is wrong wiht my dma
2015-11-20T05:04:02 < dongs> im trolling myself
2015-11-20T05:04:23 < upgrdman> dongs, i never looked. link? i must admit, ~all of my dma experience is with lpc trash.
2015-11-20T05:04:34 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/edKawY45.html latest mess
2015-11-20T05:04:35 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/gBIDsF23.html this works and loops
2015-11-20T05:04:38 < dongs> 2nd code = works
2015-11-20T05:04:44 < dongs> 1st code = basically same fucking thing except smalelr; buffer
2015-11-20T05:04:46 < dongs> doesnt even START.
2015-11-20T05:05:17 < dongs> i mean its not locking up or anything it just does FUCKALL
2015-11-20T05:05:38 < dongs> upgrdman: wtf is that f0 i2c lib
2015-11-20T05:05:44 < dongs> sdo you have interrupt part of that somewehre?
2015-11-20T05:05:48 < dongs> or is it all just polling
2015-11-20T05:05:52 < upgrdman> some trash i wrote before i was super pro
2015-11-20T05:05:59 < dongs> it looks very simple
2015-11-20T05:06:03 < dongs> or is f0 peripheral not broke
2015-11-20T05:06:04 < dongs> haha
2015-11-20T05:06:18 < dongs> i2c->TXDR = va_arg(arglist, int);
2015-11-20T05:06:20 < dongs> oh jesus
2015-11-20T05:06:22 < dongs> fvarargs
2015-11-20T05:06:30 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-20T05:06:30 < dongs> noping the fuck out of there
2015-11-20T05:06:34 < upgrdman> and ya, polling.
2015-11-20T05:06:37 < upgrdman> because super lazy
2015-11-20T05:08:01 < upgrdman> dongs, so im like tired as fuck. give me a big picture summary of your dma code. what is your goal.
2015-11-20T05:08:32 < dongs> the goal of it is to work
2015-11-20T05:08:33 < dongs> it doesnt
2015-11-20T05:08:53 < dongs> just trying to while(1) and keep loading pcm data into buffers.
2015-11-20T05:09:16 < dongs> HT never happens
2015-11-20T05:09:19 < dongs> so i guess it never even starts
2015-11-20T05:10:09 < upgrdman> so ya, im too tired for this. you're using TIM6 to clock the DAC, and you want to feed shit to the DAC from memory, via DMA?
2015-11-20T05:10:40 < dongs> right
2015-11-20T05:10:44 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-11-20T05:10:46 < dongs> and 2nd cdoe that just does it on a huge buffer
2015-11-20T05:10:46 < dongs> worsk
2015-11-20T05:10:54 < dongs> if i use smalelr; buffers, doesnt start.
2015-11-20T05:11:03 < dongs> all teh shit is same otherwise.
2015-11-20T05:11:04 < dongs> lol.
2015-11-20T05:12:01 < dongs> teh HT / TC stuff never happens either.
2015-11-20T05:12:49 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-11-20T05:13:06 < upgrdman> times i like i would debug and verify the registers i wrote to contain what i expect.
2015-11-20T05:13:27 < upgrdman> and look at status registers for stupid flags that might help
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2015-11-20T05:18:58 < dongs> i should probably read waht starts teh actual DMA
2015-11-20T05:19:06 < dongs> DAC_DMACmd or other stuff
2015-11-20T05:19:12 < dongs> i think its order of initialiation that im doing wrong
2015-11-20T05:19:16 < dongs> but then again why it would work in the other code
2015-11-20T05:19:19 < dongs> fucking garbage
2015-11-20T05:20:04 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/NUREgKr.jpg
2015-11-20T05:20:47 < upgrdman> lol what's a weeaboo?
2015-11-20T05:21:19 < dongs> lold
2015-11-20T05:21:19 < upgrdman> also, are token black people common in asian comics?
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2015-11-20T05:25:41 < obnauticus> dongs: whats the most efficient way of writing and reading from i2c devices? Buffering, etc?
2015-11-20T05:25:49 < PeterM> upgrdman, lmgtfy http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Weeaboo
2015-11-20T05:27:48 < upgrdman> thx
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2015-11-20T05:32:57 < dongs> obnauticus: just polling
2015-11-20T05:33:03 < dongs> shit is slow enough and the peripheral is obtuse enough
2015-11-20T05:33:06 < dongs> for starters just poll
2015-11-20T05:34:01 < obnauticus> ah okay
2015-11-20T05:34:15 < obnauticus> im just trying to be as memroy efficient as possible but I think that I am underestimating the power of the f407
2015-11-20T05:34:31 < upgrdman> f4 is pretty beef.
2015-11-20T05:35:20 < obnauticus> basically using a couple of control loops for motors and stuff...i might be using a few timers etc
2015-11-20T05:39:17 < obnauticus> trying to do motor controls stuff on it is interesting.
2015-11-20T05:39:55 < obnauticus> I was told that there may be another STM with timers which are geared toward that?
2015-11-20T05:40:55 < dongs> TIM1/8 are for that.
2015-11-20T05:41:14 < upgrdman> no
2015-11-20T05:41:25 < upgrdman> long beach is a poor people city with a small nice area
2015-11-20T05:41:35 < upgrdman> which is why i live here. moved here when i was poor
2015-11-20T05:41:40 < dongs> DMA1_stream6 shodlnt be conflicting wiht DMA2_Stream6y RIGHT
2015-11-20T05:41:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, sounds about right. i never go to LA though
2015-11-20T05:42:00 < upgrdman> too many people in LB, let along LA
2015-11-20T05:42:15 < upgrdman> also parking is a bitch damn near anywhere in LA county
2015-11-20T05:42:23 < upgrdman> orange county is so much nicer
2015-11-20T05:42:37 < dongs> would you move for zano
2015-11-20T05:42:39 < dongs> development
2015-11-20T05:42:52 < dongs> R2COM: spacex is back to flying on dec10, what are your thoughts
2015-11-20T05:42:56 < dongs> will it affect your blogging
2015-11-20T05:43:06 < upgrdman> well in long bitch, a one bedroom apartment is maybe $1300/month in a shit area, and maybe $2000/month in a nice area
2015-11-20T05:43:47 < upgrdman> relative to what? it's kinda average for urban so call
2015-11-20T05:43:51 < upgrdman> *so cal
2015-11-20T05:44:04 < upgrdman> ya LA area isn't cheap.
2015-11-20T05:44:06 < dongs> upgrdman: how much are YOU paying
2015-11-20T05:44:10 < dongs> or are you staying wiht parents
2015-11-20T05:44:21 < dongs> man 1.3k on rent would be fucking dumb
2015-11-20T05:44:25 < upgrdman> dongs, i live on my own. im a homeowner. but its a condo in a shit area.
2015-11-20T05:44:26 < dongs> unles it was pay to own
2015-11-20T05:44:27 < dongs> and a nice place
2015-11-20T05:44:48 < upgrdman> i have a nice condo in a shit area. it was the best i could afford at the time.
2015-11-20T05:45:00 < dongs> excelletn
2015-11-20T05:45:37 < upgrdman> one bedroom condo in shit area is like $140K - $180K
2015-11-20T05:46:04 < upgrdman> one bedroom condo in nice parts of so cal is like $250K
2015-11-20T05:46:11 < upgrdman> or 300K sometimes
2015-11-20T05:47:03 < upgrdman> im saving up to buy a small house in a middle class area. will probably cost me $600K - $800K.
2015-11-20T05:47:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, so cal isn't cheap.
2015-11-20T05:47:42 < upgrdman> when i bought my down i had like a 50% down payment. they were shocked.
2015-11-20T05:48:00 < upgrdman> i was also one of the youngest homeowners they said. i think i was 25 at the time
2015-11-20T05:48:41 < upgrdman> wtf do i know about boston
2015-11-20T05:49:32 < upgrdman> i can say this: if you want to live in so cal, but dont mind being an hour from anything fun (e.g. living somewhat in the "country") its much much cheaper
2015-11-20T05:49:50 < upgrdman> SF is way worse, but ya... LA is pretty bad
2015-11-20T05:50:02 < upgrdman> basically any city easily seen on a map is gonna be expensive ;)
2015-11-20T05:50:13 < upgrdman> dunno. have not been to SJ since i was a kid
2015-11-20T05:51:04 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-20T05:51:23 < upgrdman> why you like SF? looking for some gay bars?
2015-11-20T05:51:48 < upgrdman> ah
2015-11-20T05:53:23 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-20T05:54:40 < dongs> fucking rage
2015-11-20T05:55:49 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-20T05:56:28 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-20T05:56:31 < upgrdman> irvine is nice
2015-11-20T05:56:35 < upgrdman> i lived there as a kid
2015-11-20T05:56:47 < upgrdman> im tempted to move back there but the housing is super expensive
2015-11-20T05:56:51 < upgrdman> yes much more
2015-11-20T05:57:06 < upgrdman> 2 bedroom house... $900K+
2015-11-20T05:57:15 < upgrdman> well $800K+
2015-11-20T05:57:43 < fenugrec> Detroit's still pretty cheap amirite
2015-11-20T05:58:02 < upgrdman> fuck if i know. wtf wants to live in shitroit?
2015-11-20T05:58:29 < fenugrec> does anybody with a job live there ?
2015-11-20T06:00:04 < upgrdman> ya pretty much
2015-11-20T06:00:13 < fenugrec> heh. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Detroit_MI
2015-11-20T06:00:16 < upgrdman> again, LB is a shit city with a small nice area
2015-11-20T06:00:47 < upgrdman> i moved to LB because the other options i could afford with anaheim and santa ana. both of which are TOTAL shit and full of lazy idiots.
2015-11-20T06:01:40 < upgrdman> where? shittroit?
2015-11-20T06:01:55 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-20T06:02:22 < englishman> $25k with $350k of free asbestos
2015-11-20T06:06:59 < obnauticus> I need to move away from these fischer price stm32f4-discovery.com libraries and move to the man shit
2015-11-20T06:08:38 < dongs>  R2COM> $26k house?
2015-11-20T06:08:41 < dongs> nobody wants to live there
2015-11-20T06:08:42 < dongs> so thats why
2015-11-20T06:08:49 < upgrdman> in windows, how the fuck do i search for files by size? like "show me all 0KB files in this drive" ?
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2015-11-20T06:09:31 < upgrdman> oh. lol. it size:0
2015-11-20T06:09:41 < upgrdman> that was easy. good guy microsoft.
2015-11-20T06:09:57 < obnauticus> R2COM: thats too bradass for me
2015-11-20T06:10:14 < ReadError> https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12243483_10208104046906106_2402367877049827055_n.jpg?oh=ab617fb0fa311265bbad1872da154a12&oe=56F7B791
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2015-11-20T06:12:31 < ReadError> yea sure, if you like sand, body odor and ugly womens
2015-11-20T06:13:39 < englishman> if you want pleasant weather all year, perfect place
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2015-11-20T06:17:06 < upgrdman> so many russian dash cam videos. love em. non stop entertainment.
2015-11-20T06:17:52 < upgrdman> theyre cool too
2015-11-20T06:20:21 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPY0X8SrLo
2015-11-20T06:20:26 < ReadError> is this fake R2COM
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2015-11-20T06:26:31 < dongs> http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?AWB=2813473972&brand=DHL dhl does not fuck around, damn
2015-11-20T06:26:35 < dongs> how's that for delivery time?
2015-11-20T06:28:08 < ReadError> i duno what that is
2015-11-20T06:29:03 < upgrdman> ya dhl is quick. dirtypcbs used dhl for my boards, same thing: 2 days to go from shenzhen to long bitch CA
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2015-11-20T06:36:52 < dongs> FUCK DMA; DMA SUX; DMA IS DYING; DMA IS DEAD TO ME; DMA HIT WTC
2015-11-20T06:37:36 < dongs> give up fortoday, fuck it. not having much sleep isnt helping either
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2015-11-20T08:09:05 < dongs> attn gxti http://i.imgur.com/MBOb6aA.jpg
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2015-11-20T08:10:47 < dongs> < blown> good morning http://noflyzano.com/
2015-11-20T08:10:51 < dongs> thats my site you dick
2015-11-20T08:11:14 < dongs> yes
2015-11-20T08:11:21 < dongs> also: i had it going since january
2015-11-20T08:12:12 < dongs> gxti: japs are selling it for 275000 YENZ
2015-11-20T08:12:16 < dongs> youre missing the fuck out
2015-11-20T08:19:14 < dongs> he sure knows how to fucking blog
2015-11-20T08:20:51 < dongs> haha
2015-11-20T08:20:53 < dongs> and his spec is way better
2015-11-20T08:20:59 < dongs> 0.2ms, japs are +-10ms
2015-11-20T08:21:00 < dongs> what hte ufck
2015-11-20T08:21:05 < dongs> robbery
2015-11-20T08:21:29 < dongs> i should go print https://partiallystapled.com/pages/laureline-gps-ntp-server.html and show it to japs trying to sell shit for 2.7k
2015-11-20T08:21:47 < bloated> dongs: what's the name of the japanese sweet that is made from red beans ?
2015-11-20T08:22:27 < dongs> no fuckingclue
2015-11-20T08:36:00 < upgrdman> so what is the use case for a gps ntp server? needing accurate time without an internet connection?
2015-11-20T08:36:44 < upgrdman> and if so, would it be better with a cellular modem? no need for external antenna.
2015-11-20T08:38:15 < dongs> upgrdman: no idea but if japs can sell it for 2.7k there must be a need
2015-11-20T08:38:50 < dongs> blown: how's no.pdf
2015-11-20T08:39:44 < dongs> dont think so
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2015-11-20T08:39:54 < dongs> PhD in BS, most likely
2015-11-20T08:41:08 < dongs> We are working on DSP techniques to better extract the real air pressure from the noise and in still air the altitude control works well
2015-11-20T08:41:31 < dongs> he was going to use DSP tekneeqs to remove propeller noise from the dumb fucking onboard mic
2015-11-20T08:41:34 < dongs> that he mounted on there
2015-11-20T08:41:37 < jpa-> upgrdman: some applications need time that is more accurate than what ntp over internet can give
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2015-11-20T08:42:48 < upgrdman> jpa-, oh ok. what kinda accuracy can internet ntp provide?
2015-11-20T08:43:27 < jpa-> usually 1 ms i think.. but i don't actually know
2015-11-20T08:43:34 < upgrdman> ok
2015-11-20T08:43:34 < dongs> i saw a pretty fucking killer selfie stick today
2015-11-20T08:43:37 < dongs> it was liek 10 me3ters long
2015-11-20T08:43:40 < dongs> lemme imgur that shit
2015-11-20T08:43:42 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-20T08:44:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sUAR4e4.jpg
2015-11-20T08:44:54 < dongs> thats a gopro on the end
2015-11-20T08:44:59 < upgrdman> that looks like a pole for adjusting sunlights
2015-11-20T08:45:16 < jpa-> dongs: zano should have just delivered that and it would have given better results
2015-11-20T08:45:23 < dongs> lool
2015-11-20T08:45:29 < dongs> pretty much
2015-11-20T08:45:52 < dongs> jpa, my dma is stlil completely fucked
2015-11-20T08:46:02 < dongs> i dont even know what im doing wrong
2015-11-20T08:46:31 < Rob235> can I see your code?
2015-11-20T08:48:07 < Rob235> i like how the first result on google is: Europe's biggest Kickstarter has gone bust after raising $3.6 million
2015-11-20T08:51:30 < jpa-> dongs: looks like i don't have any better reference code than this   https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/765ed48a3b96268606985c000a4af675c21867a7/Runtime/fpga.c#L81   but that is overcomplex because it does  file -> temp buffer -> convert to bitbang spi -> dma -> gpio
2015-11-20T08:53:56 < dongs> jpa, im not even getting that far
2015-11-20T08:54:01 < dongs> never mind irq, DMA isnt even starting
2015-11-20T08:54:07 < dongs> even tho EXACTLY same code with a buffer in flash worsk
2015-11-20T08:54:14 < dongs> it must be something really dum
2015-11-20T08:54:42 < dongs> which order should i bring up the stuff?
2015-11-20T08:54:58 < dongs> i bring up tim6, setup trigger, turn on timer
2015-11-20T08:55:02 < dongs> turn on dac, setup trigger
2015-11-20T08:55:13 < dongs> turn on dma, enable dmacmd in dac,
2015-11-20T08:55:15 < dongs> etc.
2015-11-20T08:55:36 < jpa-> dmacmd in DAC? hmm, it does that now?
2015-11-20T08:55:45 < jpa-> i though you would drive the dma from timer not from dac
2015-11-20T08:55:49 < dongs> DAC_DMACmd(DAC_Channel_2, ENABLE);
2015-11-20T08:55:52 < Rob235> I doubt it matters but I always enable the timer after dma and loop until dma is ready
2015-11-20T08:55:54 < jpa-> but i probably remember wrong
2015-11-20T08:56:07 < dongs> doesnt work either way
2015-11-20T09:00:09 < Rob235> dmacmd should be before enabling timer or dma?
2015-11-20T09:01:50 < Rob235> I do: DMA_ITConfig, TIM_OCPreload, TIM_ARRPreload, TIM_DMACmd, dma enable, tim enable
2015-11-20T09:12:12 < dongs> yeah it sure did
2015-11-20T09:13:55 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/ww/en/mcu/instaspin/ just got spammed this
2015-11-20T09:14:04 < dongs> instameatspin
2015-11-20T09:14:21 < ReadError> TI spams a lot
2015-11-20T09:14:28 < ReadError> like 3x emails a day sometimes ;(
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2015-11-20T09:30:45 < dongs> news.google zano search is full of awesome
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2015-11-20T09:58:11 < tkoskine> dongs: buffers are swapped automatically, just write the addresses to registers when you initialize uart.
2015-11-20T09:59:40 < tkoskine> You get an interrupt when one register is full.
2015-11-20T09:59:53 < dongs> been there
2015-11-20T09:59:57 < dongs> something else is fucked
2015-11-20T10:00:00 < dongs> givin up for now
2015-11-20T10:14:45 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/esIbY.jpg
2015-11-20T10:14:54 < ReadError> worthless germans
2015-11-20T10:15:36 < PaulFertser> ReadError: use openocd ;)
2015-11-20T10:15:50 < tkoskine> here is my interrupt handler (somewhat modified from actual code): http://p.tkoskine.me/6.txt - I use cts to signal other end to stop sending when first buffer is full. Separate input task copies the data from the buffer to elsewhere and then sets cts low.
2015-11-20T10:15:56 < ReadError> PaulFertser is there an easy way to zero out chips?
2015-11-20T10:16:03 < ReadError> i dont know all the commands
2015-11-20T10:16:13 < tkoskine> So, my second buffer is just a spare one in case the other end does not see cts quick enough.
2015-11-20T10:16:14 < ReadError> thats all i was trying to do anyways with this
2015-11-20T10:16:16 < PaulFertser> ReadError: protected or not?
2015-11-20T10:16:25 < PaulFertser> Or just erase all the flash?
2015-11-20T10:16:32 < ReadError> just erase all flash
2015-11-20T10:16:47 < PaulFertser> ReadError: flash erase_sector 0 0 -
2015-11-20T10:19:07 < PaulFertser> ReadError: sorry, should be this: flash erase_sector 0 0 last
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2015-11-20T10:24:34 < ReadError> http://hastebin.com/ocefazeres.md
2015-11-20T10:24:39 < ReadError> i knew it couldnt be this easy ;p
2015-11-20T10:26:58 < ReadError> ahh something about swapping the jlink driver out with zadig
2015-11-20T10:31:02 < bloated> that problem is because you're using a non-standard window manager
2015-11-20T10:31:16 < ReadError> im using the regular windows one
2015-11-20T10:31:22 < ReadError> its a 4k thing
2015-11-20T10:40:19 < PaulFertser> ReadError: of course, to access arbitrary usb devices under windows you need to use microsoft winusb driver for them. The easiest is to use Zadig to set the driver.
2015-11-20T10:41:02 < PaulFertser> No idea why microsoft made accessing usb from the userspace that complicated.
2015-11-20T10:42:09 < emeryth> because why would you need that when you have superior drivers for everything :^)
2015-11-20T10:43:01 < PaulFertser> Drivers run in kernel space, require signatures etc. Userspace apps with libusb are so much easier and it works this way on all popular systems except windows.
2015-11-20T10:46:55 < ReadError> http://hastebin.com/opegaxujug.vhdl
2015-11-20T10:47:10 < ReadError> got that sorted, everything I read says to use swd as transport
2015-11-20T10:48:05 < PaulFertser> ReadError: if you connect your target via swd, use swd, if via jtag, use jtag.
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2015-11-20T10:50:09 < PaulFertser> ReadError: but EMU_CMD_VERSION error is unrelated to transport. Must be something odd with the dongle or the drivers, try replugging usb.
2015-11-20T10:51:08 < ReadError> ahh nice, replugging fixed
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2015-11-20T11:33:13 < ReadError> well crap, I broke eclipse somehow
2015-11-20T11:33:36 < ReadError> all I get is the 'no source available for __heap_base__()"
2015-11-20T11:38:34 < ReadError> odd, something in the chibios3 dir, pulled a new one from git, renamed the old
2015-11-20T11:38:49 < ReadError> new one has the issue, put old one back in, works fine
2015-11-20T11:38:57 < PaulFertser> ReadError: do you use https://github.com/gnuarmeclipse btw?
2015-11-20T11:39:11 < ReadError> PaulFertser chibistudio, seen gnuarmeclipse though
2015-11-20T11:39:13 < ReadError> looks nice
2015-11-20T11:43:46 < emeryth> too bad gnuarmeclipse is starting to use timecube libs
2015-11-20T12:04:43 < ReadError> any idea what could be breaking eclipse from disassembling between the different versions of chibios?
2015-11-20T12:08:33 < mitrax> don't you see a pattern here?
2015-11-20T12:08:37 < mitrax> dongs DMA not working
2015-11-20T12:08:43 < mitrax> your eclipse project breaking
2015-11-20T12:08:49 < mitrax> it's the CURSE ...
2015-11-20T12:08:52 < mitrax> the CURSE OF ZANO
2015-11-20T12:09:30 < mitrax> everybody who made fun of Zano in here in the past few months will experience inexplicable bugs
2015-11-20T12:13:15 < mitrax> we're doomed :(
2015-11-20T12:13:59 < emeryth> double doomed
2015-11-20T12:14:12 < emeryth> the first doom was choosing stm32
2015-11-20T12:18:43 < PaulFertser> ReadError: btw, when you "load" with gdb, openocd automatically erases the affected regions, you shouldn't need to manually blank the chips.
2015-11-20T12:20:36 < ReadError> about how quick can I run the adapter_khz? I see for JTAG there is the F_CPU/6
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2015-11-20T12:20:48 < ReadError> running at 4000 now
2015-11-20T12:21:53 < PaulFertser> ReadError: for SWD the limits are unclear, should be mentioned somewhere in the refman but meh.
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2015-11-20T12:41:00 < ReadError> 4mhz is good enough, still a bunch faster than the stlink
2015-11-20T13:02:49 < dongs> < ReadError> all I get is the 'no source available for __shitheap_base__()"
2015-11-20T13:02:50 < dongs> ftfy
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2015-11-20T13:20:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/umCetyO.gifv loll
2015-11-20T13:22:31 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSfHowDgtlQ
2015-11-20T13:22:32 < ReadError> related
2015-11-20T13:22:53 < ReadError> why the hell would anyone huff butane
2015-11-20T13:24:55 < ReadError> oh another vid says it was full of nitrous
2015-11-20T13:25:51 < ReadError> http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/arabic-arabian-persian-kids-teenagers-boys-fid-fad-aerosol-gas-car-explosion-youtube-video/
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2015-11-20T13:33:25 < karlp> r2com likes san jose, figures. fucking nutter
2015-11-20T13:48:17 < dongs> heh
2015-11-20T13:48:37 < dongs> ReadError: that shit is old as fuck
2015-11-20T13:48:58 < dongs> too bad the fucking camera fell down
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2015-11-20T14:04:46 < Lux> hmm so i tried to run my stm32f4 discovery board with a 12mhz crystal instead of 8mhz and somehow i see a 8mhz signal on the 12mhz crystal now
2015-11-20T14:05:05 < jpa-> "see"? how are you watching?
2015-11-20T14:05:13 < Lux> oscilloscope
2015-11-20T14:06:37 < Lux> and it isn't using hsi, at least the setsysclock function from st doesn't show so
2015-11-20T14:06:43 < jpa-> would be pretty strange to get 12MHz crystal to oscillate at 8MHz
2015-11-20T14:06:50 < Lux> really strange behaviour
2015-11-20T14:07:02 < Lux> that's what's happening apparently
2015-11-20T14:07:13 < jpa-> what happens without a crystal?
2015-11-20T14:07:29 < Lux> let me try
2015-11-20T14:08:06 < claude> Lux , iirc on the f4 Disco the MCO out (8MHz) from the debug stm is connected to the F4s xtal in . there is a solder Bridge on the bottom side of the pcb
2015-11-20T14:08:28 < bloated> ther are 2 crystals on a discovery board ...
2015-11-20T14:08:37 < jpa-> depends on which discovery
2015-11-20T14:09:10 < bloated> * 2 8MHz crystals
2015-11-20T14:09:43 < Lux> there are 2 on this one
2015-11-20T14:09:57 < claude> Lux: http://andybrown.me.uk/2015/03/03/modding-the-stm32-f4-discovery-with-a-25mhz-clock/ (was the first link i found on Google..)
2015-11-20T14:10:06 < Lux> so i wouldn't expect it, but i'm just trying it out
2015-11-20T14:13:20 < Lux> jep, they drive it with the programmer part
2015-11-20T14:13:33 < Lux> how retarded is that...
2015-11-20T14:14:07 < Lux> thanks for the link btw
2015-11-20T14:14:13 < claude> had that once to , tried to hook up the fsmc to a fpga in sync mode. always got nasty clock skew, turned out the mco from the debug part has quite a lot of jitter
2015-11-20T14:14:16 < claude> np
2015-11-20T14:14:48 < jpa-> Lux: next you'll note that the clock does not like when you stick an oscilloscope on it :)
2015-11-20T14:16:02 < ReadError> jpa- had an odd issue earlier was wondering if you had any idea
2015-11-20T14:16:08 < Lux> yeah, noticed that allready :)
2015-11-20T14:16:45 < ReadError> the newest git release of chibios3, when I compile and debug its unable to view the 'symbols'
2015-11-20T14:16:58 < ReadError> but when rolling back to the older release I had, works fine
2015-11-20T14:20:49 < dongs> 2kawaii4u
2015-11-20T14:24:42 < ReadError> derf
2015-11-20T14:24:50 < ReadError> apparently they added some new stuff to the .ld files
2015-11-20T14:24:58 < ReadError> REGION_ALIAS("HEAP_RAM", ram0);
2015-11-20T14:29:54 < dongs> enjoyyour fucking opensores garbage
2015-11-20T14:30:17 < ReadError> no worries, all sorted m8
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2015-11-20T15:07:35 < Laurenceb> someone pinged me?
2015-11-20T15:09:00 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/programmers-development-systems/evaluation-boards-sensors/2622557?k=adafruit lol
2015-11-20T15:10:13 < emeryth> welcome to the maker revolution
2015-11-20T15:11:25 < ReadError> what happened with the plane thing, and adafruit providing hardware to terrorist
2015-11-20T15:12:34 < gxti> dongs: haha, why does that ntp thing have a mains cord
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2015-11-20T15:15:35 < dongs> gxti: cuz its mains powered
2015-11-20T15:15:43 < dongs> also its way shitter spec than yours, lulz
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2015-11-20T15:25:47 < Laurenceb> ReadError: wut
2015-11-20T15:26:17 < ReadError> sir?
2015-11-20T15:27:07 < Laurenceb> the plane thing
2015-11-20T15:27:22 < ReadError> oh there was a link he posted
2015-11-20T15:27:35 < ReadError> and they found an adafruit baro breakout board
2015-11-20T15:27:46 < Laurenceb> the russian jet?
2015-11-20T15:27:49 < Laurenceb> link link
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2015-11-20T15:28:55 < Laurenceb> heh I was wondering about that, using a baro to trigger a bomb would be a pretty foolproof method
2015-11-20T15:29:03 < Laurenceb> until the I2C bus fails :D
2015-11-20T15:29:07 < gxti> it's a very old technique
2015-11-20T15:30:32 < BrainDamage> it's widely used to automatically arm bombs too
2015-11-20T15:31:31 < ReadError> cant find link
2015-11-20T15:34:08 < Laurenceb> boo
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2015-11-20T15:39:44 < tkoskine> Found this one at least: http://makezine.com/2015/11/05/cnn-shows-adafruit-part-bombing-segment/
2015-11-20T15:40:55 < Laurenceb> so much javascript
2015-11-20T15:42:44 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/tph9r.jpg
2015-11-20T15:42:47 < ReadError> i lol every time
2015-11-20T15:45:49 < ReadError> http://gfycat.com/WickedPoliteIbizanhound oh mang
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2015-11-20T16:11:14 < Lux> can i use usb on the stm32f4 series without having to connect PA9 to the 5V line of the usb port ?
2015-11-20T16:15:34 < jpa-> IIRC yes - what is the PA9? vbus detect?
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2015-11-20T16:32:49 < Lux> yeah, that's what it does
2015-11-20T16:33:07 < Lux> any ideas what exactly i have to change in the code ? :)
2015-11-20T16:33:30 < jpa-> there is some "force device mode" bit in the usb peripheral
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2015-11-20T16:39:59 < Lux> ok, thanks, i'll search in the ref manual
2015-11-20T16:41:07 < zyp> I think it's called NOVBUSSENS
2015-11-20T16:41:29 < zyp> IIRC it's part of the OTG control register block
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2015-11-20T16:42:55 < Lux> The VBUS pin can be freed by disabling the VBUS sensing option. This is done by setting the
2015-11-20T16:42:57 < Lux> NOVBUSSENS bit in the OTG_FS_GCCFG register
2015-11-20T16:43:02 < Lux> just found it :)
2015-11-20T16:43:17 < Lux> thanks zyp
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2015-11-20T17:32:22 < englishman> dongs
2015-11-20T17:32:24 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSw6iDSujg
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2015-11-20T18:11:49 < kakimir> okay tell me what ide is the shit with openocd in windows?
2015-11-20T18:12:25 < kakimir> open one preferred
2015-11-20T18:12:37 < ReadError> chibistudio is nice
2015-11-20T18:12:43 < ReadError> cuz it just sorta works
2015-11-20T18:12:48 < ReadError> and has all the plugins
2015-11-20T18:14:18 < kakimir> is it god damn eclipse?
2015-11-20T18:14:30 < ReadError> is there an open one thats not???
2015-11-20T18:15:08 < kakimir> it says chibistudio is rtos
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2015-11-20T18:15:21 < ReadError> nein
2015-11-20T18:15:29 < ReadError> ive used it for many other things
2015-11-20T18:16:26 < kakimir> is it standalone?
2015-11-20T18:16:42 < ReadError> yes you extract it
2015-11-20T18:16:44 < ReadError> and it works
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2015-11-20T18:22:03 < PatetOmnibus> Hi, could someone tell me, why my stm32f0 is not terminating when I replace ldr r4,[r0] and ldr r6,[r0,#8] by ldm r0, [r4-r6]? Thanks in advance.
2015-11-20T18:22:37 < kakimir> ReadError: other recommends?
2015-11-20T18:23:23 < kakimir> maybe I just intall eclipse
2015-11-20T18:26:37 < kakimir> http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/
2015-11-20T18:34:39 < kakimir> laptop wont keep me warm in the winter nights anymore
2015-11-20T18:34:54 < ReadError> too low mhz
2015-11-20T18:35:27 < kakimir> it gives just enough warmth to keep fingers unfrozen
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2015-11-20T18:42:25 < kakimir> I think my windows needs some GNU
2015-11-20T18:44:53 < kakimir> gnufy it
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2015-11-20T18:49:52 < kakimir> fukin OSes taking my time
2015-11-20T18:51:38 < kakimir> wow
2015-11-20T18:51:53 < kakimir> I have tried to press multitouch down like in macs
2015-11-20T18:52:06 < kakimir> nothing
2015-11-20T18:52:29 < kakimir> but todays pressed it hard when it failed to register my geistures
2015-11-20T18:52:41 < kakimir> it has button to it
2015-11-20T18:52:43 < kakimir> nice
2015-11-20T18:53:33 < kakimir> eclipse has some automotive developers stuff?
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2015-11-20T18:54:36 < __rob> anyone know if there is any way the spi peripheral can be made to work with an odd bit length
2015-11-20T18:54:49 < __rob> like masking the clock for some of it or something
2015-11-20T18:55:07 < __rob> so I still do say 16bits, but output 13 clocks
2015-11-20T18:55:37 < __rob> seems unlikely
2015-11-20T18:55:41 < __rob> but thought I'd askl
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2015-11-20T19:02:27 < kakimir> drive clock line timer output?
2015-11-20T19:02:47 < kakimir> or something
2015-11-20T19:02:56 < Laurenceb> cock line
2015-11-20T19:03:20 < ReadError> you need to find jesus Laurenceb
2015-11-20T19:03:32 < Laurenceb> does he love me?
2015-11-20T19:03:56 < ReadError> idk but my hedges havent been cut in weeks!
2015-11-20T19:05:14 < kakimir> Laurenceb: love you like that?
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2015-11-20T19:16:47 < kakimir> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuarmeclipse/files/Eclipse/updates/features/ any idea what these feature packs are useful
2015-11-20T19:16:53 < kakimir> *of
2015-11-20T19:17:34 < kakimir> managedbuilds have lots of downloads
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2015-11-20T19:17:54 < kakimir> qemu... would it actually works?
2015-11-20T19:18:53 < kakimir> better download whole shiet
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2015-11-20T19:29:34 < __rob> kakimir, was going to use the timer if the spi didn't work
2015-11-20T19:30:00 < upgrdman_> kakimir, i use eclipse in windows for stm32. and the command line.
2015-11-20T19:30:04 < __rob> its from a 17 bit encoder, I thought it might just output 000 if I ran the clock past 17 bits without lifting the CS
2015-11-20T19:30:07 < upgrdman_> i never got those Packs to work
2015-11-20T19:30:07 < upgrdman_> but
2015-11-20T19:30:09 < __rob> but it doesn't seem to
2015-11-20T19:30:20 < upgrdman_> theres another eclipse plugin that is awesome: EmbSysRegView
2015-11-20T19:30:52 < upgrdman_> kakimir, but i find the automated shit in GNU ARM Eclipse to be super annoying, so i just "Import an Existing Makefile Project" in Eclipse
2015-11-20T19:31:07 < upgrdman_> and use the GNU ARM Eclipse plugin just for debugging in a GUI
2015-11-20T19:31:19 < upgrdman_> but with a Makefile, you can use any fucking IDE.
2015-11-20T19:31:30 < upgrdman_> i can compile, flash and debug from cmd.exe if needed.
2015-11-20T19:31:55 < kakimir> upgrdman_: using pluginwith plain eclipse sounds better than some one of dozen of eclipse crappymod
2015-11-20T19:32:02 < kakimir> even if crap
2015-11-20T19:32:05 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-20T19:32:26 < upgrdman_> i tried the stupid stm-endorsed EC6 or whatever it's called. it sucked balls.
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2015-11-20T19:51:47 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: there's also a standalone .NET utility that works as EmbSysRegView but without Eclipse. And another from the same author to display SWO data.
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2015-11-20T19:52:10 < upgrdman_> oh wow. awesome. is it on their web site?
2015-11-20T19:52:15 < upgrdman_> i should check into them again
2015-11-20T19:53:08 < ReadError> PeterM, ^^^
2015-11-20T19:53:45 < ReadError> upgrdman, that openstm32 thing was beyond useless ;/
2015-11-20T19:53:49 < ReadError> ac6 or w/e it was
2015-11-20T19:53:52 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-20T19:54:08 < upgrdman_> i was like "that's an hour of my life that i will never get back. :/"
2015-11-20T19:54:20 < ReadError> and registration etc to download or w/e
2015-11-20T19:54:22 < ReadError> no thanks
2015-11-20T19:54:26 < upgrdman_> inorite
2015-11-20T19:54:34 < ReadError> tried that visualstudio thing?
2015-11-20T19:54:36 < ReadError> visualgdb ?
2015-11-20T19:54:40 < upgrdman_> no
2015-11-20T19:54:46 < upgrdman_> isn't it commercial?
2015-11-20T19:54:55 < ReadError> yea, its like $50 or something
2015-11-20T19:55:03 < ReadError> its not super expensive but it is paidware
2015-11-20T19:56:11 < upgrdman_> close sauce though :(
2015-11-20T19:57:16 < upgrdman_> i dont mind closed sauce, but its a never end money grab (new versions, etc.) that i try to avoid. i think the only commercial software i use (aside from what my work pays for) is windows and vmware workstation and vmware fusion
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2015-11-20T20:06:10 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: https://github.com/apmorton/EmbSysRegViewSharp https://github.com/apmorton/OpenOcdTraceUtil
2015-11-20T20:07:13 < upgrdman_> sweet. thanks
2015-11-20T20:07:23 < PaulFertser> welcome :)
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2015-11-20T20:46:30 < obnauticus> I have a question -- I'm trying to read and write from an EEPROM on this chip, and it is not working. I am really confused as to what the fuck is going on.
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2015-11-20T20:53:27 < obnauticus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13370985/ is a dump from the communications to and from the chip over I2C. Referencing that paste, I'm seeing on L2-L11 I'm reading from 0x80, then I'm writing 0x43 to 0x89, then on L12-L16 I'm reading 0x42 on 0x89 (which means my previous write to 0x89 was unsuccessful).
2015-11-20T20:53:36 < obnauticus> I'm thinking the NAK may have something to do with it?
2015-11-20T20:53:55 < obnauticus> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/isl9/isl94203.pdf on page 45 is the reference for interfacing with the EEPROM on the chip.
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2015-11-20T21:21:24 < englishman> uhh, so
2015-11-20T21:21:40 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/IyWHF
2015-11-20T21:21:57 < englishman> are you only sending 2 bytes per transaction?
2015-11-20T21:22:01 < englishman> where is the 3rd data byte
2015-11-20T21:22:36 < englishman> also what you've said is not what appears go be going on in that paste
2015-11-20T21:24:59 < englishman> pretty interesting chip lol, too bad its like $8, typical intersil
2015-11-20T21:27:07 < englishman> ohhh i see
2015-11-20T21:28:00 < englishman> you're assuming that the transaction sets up the regsiter pointer, then you read from that pointer next transaction
2015-11-20T21:28:12 < englishman> but how i read it, you setup the register pointer and read in the same transaction
2015-11-20T21:28:19 < englishman> or write
2015-11-20T21:28:32 < englishman> so if you want to write 0xff to 0x80, you would send 0x50 0x80 0xff
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2015-11-20T21:29:03 < englishman> and if you want to read from 0x80, you would send 0x51 0x80 <8 clocks as i2c slave>
2015-11-20T21:29:37 < englishman> obnauticus:
2015-11-20T21:30:24 < englishman> oh nvm im wrong about reads
2015-11-20T21:30:29 < englishman> but im right about writes
2015-11-20T21:32:47 < obnauticus> englishman: give me a sec.
2015-11-20T21:32:50 < englishman> sure
2015-11-20T21:32:57 < englishman> so L2-6 are fine you
2015-11-20T21:33:27 < englishman> 're reading 0x80-0x83
2015-11-20T21:33:44 < englishman> then L7 you set up register pointer at 0x80 again but don't send any data
2015-11-20T21:33:56 < englishman> then L8 you set register pointer to 0xAF and dont send any data
2015-11-20T21:33:57 < englishman> etc
2015-11-20T21:35:11 < obnauticus> englishman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13372217/
2015-11-20T21:35:17 < englishman> L12-16 you reread 0x80 thru 0x83 which are unmodified
2015-11-20T21:35:39 < obnauticus> http://imgur.com/NUE8cE4
2015-11-20T21:36:31 < englishman> right, that should write 0xff to 0x48
2015-11-20T21:36:36 < englishman> if i'm reading this right
2015-11-20T21:37:12 < englishman> in saleae
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2015-11-20T21:37:53 < englishman> ... the text appears to do something different
2015-11-20T21:38:54 < englishman> ah
2015-11-20T21:39:02 < englishman> so in saleae the text on the right looks like it's correct
2015-11-20T21:39:08 < obnauticus> So L2-L5, I wrtie 0xFF to 0x48 and 0x49; however on L6 I am reading 0x83 on 0x49
2015-11-20T21:39:15 < englishman> did you write to 0x89 to enable eeprom writes
2015-11-20T21:39:25 < obnauticus> that screenshot is just a sample write.
2015-11-20T21:39:38 < obnauticus> I have tried that before and it did not work. I will try doing that again and get you a new capture. Give me a minute.
2015-11-20T21:40:05 < englishman> yeah ok the pasted text is misleading
2015-11-20T21:40:23 < englishman> the decoded i2c on the right in saleae appears to be correct
2015-11-20T21:40:34 < obnauticus> The pasted text is the same decoded capture in that screenshot
2015-11-20T21:41:07 < englishman> ah i see the packet ID increments at the end of a transaction
2015-11-20T21:41:21 < englishman> its just weird to me but i get it now
2015-11-20T21:42:36 < obnauticus> I'll write 0x01 to 0x89 and throw the output.
2015-11-20T21:44:17 < obnauticus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13372389/
2015-11-20T21:44:23 < obnauticus> http://i.imgur.com/0N6dq9a.png
2015-11-20T21:44:45 < englishman> hm same thing
2015-11-20T21:45:05 < obnauticus> I seriously have no idea.
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2015-11-20T21:46:30 < englishman> is 0xff valid for 0x48
2015-11-20T21:46:42 < englishman> [MOD7:0] = 0 to 240 Minutes
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2015-11-20T21:47:16 < englishman> hm looks like it nvm
2015-11-20T21:47:25 < obnauticus> I wonder if i need to set a write bit?
2015-11-20T21:47:30 < obnauticus> so the address should be 0x51 instead
2015-11-20T21:47:39 < obnauticus> or 0x50 |= 0x01
2015-11-20T21:47:41 < englishman> 0x51 is read?
2015-11-20T21:47:47 < obnauticus> im not sure
2015-11-20T21:48:04 < englishman> 0xff might be invalid anyway
2015-11-20T21:48:13 < englishman> try 0xf0
2015-11-20T21:49:04 < obnauticus> I'll let you know if there are any changes. If there are none I will try to change the write address to 0x51
2015-11-20T21:49:11 < obnauticus> and vice-versa for read
2015-11-20T21:49:15 < englishman> i dono looks pretty clear to me 0x50 is write and 0x51 is read, when address bit is 0
2015-11-20T21:49:49 < obnauticus> I tried changing 0xF0, same issue.
2015-11-20T21:50:39 < englishman> can you at least read back 0x89
2015-11-20T21:50:50 < englishman> or any other writable ram address
2015-11-20T21:50:59 < obnauticus> I have tried that before and it caused the same problem
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2015-11-20T21:55:24 < pid> obnauticus: http://i.imgur.com/0N6dq9a.png how is this software called?
2015-11-20T21:55:56 < Tectu> pid, Logic
2015-11-20T21:56:00 < Tectu> pid, saleae.com
2015-11-20T21:56:23 < Tectu> pid, better make sure that you got a spare 800 bucks in your pocket
2015-11-20T21:56:31 < obnauticus> yeah its a really nice logic analyzer
2015-11-20T21:56:32 < pid> huh. that's a little bit neater than i remember it…
2015-11-20T21:56:44 < englishman> new hardware has analogue stuff too
2015-11-20T21:56:51 < pid> Tectu: why is so? chinese clone with replaced eeprom works fine :>
2015-11-20T21:56:57 < Tectu> yeah, got one a couple of weeks ago. Love this thing
2015-11-20T21:57:00 < pid> oh. that's neat
2015-11-20T21:57:10 < Tectu> pid, sure, but not with 500 MSps ;)
2015-11-20T21:57:16 < obnauticus> englishman: any ideas?
2015-11-20T21:57:17 < Tectu> pid, and also no analog magic (not that I would ever use that)
2015-11-20T21:57:22 < englishman> obnauticus: no, not really
2015-11-20T21:57:27 < obnauticus> and yeah saleae's are sexy as fuck
2015-11-20T21:57:28 < englishman> probably something dumb and easily overlooked :)
2015-11-20T21:58:12 < obnauticus> Does the watchdog have anything to do with it?
2015-11-20T21:59:31 < englishman> looks like default is 31 seconds?
2015-11-20T21:59:32 < englishman> so no
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2015-11-20T22:01:04 < englishman> hmm, read top of page 48
2015-11-20T22:01:07 < englishman> maybe explains teh NAK?
2015-11-20T22:01:29 < obnauticus> the watchdog timer reset?
2015-11-20T22:02:33 < englishman> no the eeprom access time
2015-11-20T22:03:56 < mitrax> completely unrelated to stm32 but thought i would ask here anyway: did anyone have had a samsung laptop that wouldn't start (power supply monitor led working, blue led turning on for 3 sec on power on/ no fan / no display / nothing then off) and had found the problem?
2015-11-20T22:04:04 < obnauticus> hmm
2015-11-20T22:04:09 < obnauticus> englishman: so i'll have it read a few times
2015-11-20T22:05:38 < obnauticus> nope. same deal 0xFF83
2015-11-20T22:07:33 < obnauticus> :(
2015-11-20T22:07:49 < englishman> intersil has excellent email support :)
2015-11-20T22:07:50 < englishman> fyi
2015-11-20T22:09:26 < obnauticus> yeah we are asking them
2015-11-20T22:10:05 < englishman> hm
2015-11-20T22:10:12 < englishman> writing to eeprom directly is different addresses
2015-11-20T22:10:22 < englishman> vs. shadow ram
2015-11-20T22:13:17 < englishman> When writing to the EEPROM, write to all addresses of a page
2015-11-20T22:13:17 < englishman> without an intermediate read operation or use a page write
2015-11-20T22:13:17 < englishman> command. Each page is 4 bytes long, starting at address 0.
2015-11-20T22:15:37 < englishman> no, addresses are the same
2015-11-20T22:15:51 < englishman> so youll have to write to 0x48 thru 0x4b at once
2015-11-20T22:17:38 < PaulFertser> mitrax: the usual stuff: disconnect all the peripherals you can (probably one of them tries to draw too much), try again, check power line with a 'scope etc.
2015-11-20T22:22:11 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWXFSO4h6g
2015-11-20T22:22:14 < GargantuaSauce> needs more flops
2015-11-20T22:22:50 < GargantuaSauce> oh that's tectu's account i forgot
2015-11-20T22:22:57 < GargantuaSauce> tectu i demand more flops
2015-11-20T22:25:07 < obnauticus> englishman: intersil's support said that multbyte writes do not work
2015-11-20T22:25:08 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce, that thing runs super smooth, I just suck at making videos/taking pictures
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2015-11-20T22:25:29 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce, there´s actually a 10ms delay between images to keep this thing ´viewable´
2015-11-20T22:25:29 < GargantuaSauce> you state there is a busyloop in it
2015-11-20T22:25:33 < GargantuaSauce> therefore there are not enough flops
2015-11-20T22:25:42 < Roklobsta> GargantuaSauce: it looks very floppy to me.
2015-11-20T22:25:57 < Roklobsta> Tectu: running linux?
2015-11-20T22:26:03 < Tectu> Roklobsta, no
2015-11-20T22:26:32 < Tectu> Roklobsta, this one runs on Keil RTX. But it runs just fine on BareMetal, ChibiOS, FreeRTOS, eCOS and anything else (not tested others than the listed ones)
2015-11-20T22:27:26 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce, so you want me to upload a video w/o the busy loop just for you? :)
2015-11-20T22:27:31 < Roklobsta> well then, it looks like elevator control panels will start getting pretty fancy soon.
2015-11-20T22:27:38 < englishman> -_-
2015-11-20T22:28:07 < Tectu> Roklobsta, we are successfully running OpenGL on anything > STM32F4
2015-11-20T22:28:08 < GargantuaSauce> more like draw a surface instead of points
2015-11-20T22:28:29 < GargantuaSauce> or do the mandelbro or something
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2015-11-20T22:28:47 < GargantuaSauce> something more fancy than can be done by a 1985 qbasic demo
2015-11-20T22:28:49 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce, got mandelbrot under the camera right now
2015-11-20T22:29:10 < Roklobsta> it reminds me of the 3D demos I saw on an SGI workstation back in 1995.
2015-11-20T22:29:22 < Tectu> Roklobsta, we also ported Doom 3D ;)
2015-11-20T22:29:28 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce, people like these kinds of demos
2015-11-20T22:29:58 < Roklobsta> well in 1995 i was really impressed.  and it was a large expensive box doing the same kind of demo.
2015-11-20T22:30:39 < Roklobsta> not bad for 20 years of progess in terms of power vs cost.
2015-11-20T22:30:50 < Tectu> 1995 I still wore diapers so I can´t really judge
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2015-11-20T22:31:43 < Roklobsta> now take your F7 discovery and get off my lawn.
2015-11-20T22:33:08 < Roklobsta> You now are probably as puzzled by nostalgia for commodore 64s now as I was in 1995 by old people yearning for a PDP-11.
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2015-11-20T22:34:19 < GargantuaSauce> i have three c64s and zero of the goddamn adapter for composite video
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2015-11-20T22:35:43 < Roklobsta> GargantuaSauce: Do you mean the ridiculously overpriced DIN plug? man now you are bringing back memories.
2015-11-20T22:36:02 < GargantuaSauce> ya
2015-11-20T22:36:53 < Roklobsta> Tectu: Can you port Quake?
2015-11-20T22:38:09 < obnauticus> englishman: looks like switching chips fixed it
2015-11-20T22:38:12 < obnauticus> maybe i fucked up the first two boards
2015-11-20T22:38:13 < obnauticus> lol
2015-11-20T22:39:28 < englishman> Heh, ouch, for $8, I'd send it back :-)
2015-11-20T22:39:32 < Tectu> Roklobsta, got better things to do. It´s not like uGFX is perfect and one doesn´t have a ToDo list anymore
2015-11-20T22:39:42 < englishman> Descent?
2015-11-20T22:40:02 < GargantuaSauce> yeah still needs a better license
2015-11-20T22:42:22 < obnauticus> lol
2015-11-20T22:42:28 < obnauticus> it's soldered to a board so i have no idea
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2015-11-20T23:26:33 < Laurenceb> wait doom3 is running on F7 discovery?
2015-11-20T23:30:39 < englishman> haha
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2015-11-20T23:48:31 < mitrax> http://download.unfiltered.net/shit_connector.jpg <= does anyone know if that shit can be removed? i can't seem to get it out i'm starting to wonder if it's really unpluggable or soldered as is on the mobo (that's connected to the power jack)
2015-11-20T23:48:52 < GargantuaSauce> those are soldered
2015-11-20T23:49:02 < mitrax> fuck
2015-11-20T23:49:28 < GargantuaSauce> dunno what they're called but I hate them
2015-11-20T23:50:26 < zyp> they're called «fuck you»
2015-11-20T23:50:40 < zyp> at least that's what they ought to be called
2015-11-20T23:55:41 < GargantuaSauce> "pass the goddamn wire cutters"
2015-11-20T23:57:50 < Rob235> can you drill a hole in a carbon fiber tube or will it crack or make it structurally weak
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2015-11-21T00:00:00 < GargantuaSauce> it will certainly be weaker, whether it's TOO weak depends
2015-11-21T00:00:56 < Rob235> fuck it, I'll find another way to route the wires
2015-11-21T00:01:17 < GargantuaSauce> whatcha making?
2015-11-21T00:01:20 < mitrax> duh i can actually remove the power jack on the other end ahaha
2015-11-21T00:01:27 < Rob235> hexacopter
2015-11-21T00:01:35 < mitrax> good think i asked and didn't pull like a mongoloid
2015-11-21T00:05:08 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/tiVmU in the third pic you can see the wires going from led strip to led strip and I don't know what to do with em because the arms swing and lock into two positions so wherever the wires are they would get crushed.  I can leave enough slack to push the wires out of the way of the clips but id rather have a solution where I didn't have to worry about htat
2015-11-21T00:06:24 < Rob235> and they can't go on top like they are in the pic because another plate has to screw down on top
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2015-11-21T00:24:35 < mitrax> PaulFertser: the motherboard eats 5mA when it's connected to the power supply and tops at 15mA when i powered it on, then back at 5mA, doesn't seem like a something that's shorted or eats too much :/
2015-11-21T00:25:56 < mitrax> time to try the household oven reflow !
2015-11-21T00:28:52 < zyp> Rob235, flip the strips around and put the wires through the tubes together with the motor wires
2015-11-21T00:29:17 < Rob235> wish I could but I barely fit the wires through that I have now
2015-11-21T00:29:34 < zyp> well, doesn't the ESC already have a 5V output you can tap?
2015-11-21T00:29:37 < zyp> and the ground
2015-11-21T00:29:44 < zyp> so all you need is to route the signal
2015-11-21T00:30:24 < zyp> not that I'd really want to run all those leds off linear regs
2015-11-21T00:30:26 < Rob235> the ground has to be connected to the mcu
2015-11-21T00:30:50 < zyp> just like the ground for the esc signal
2015-11-21T00:32:24 < Rob235> yea I don't think I'd want to use the linear bec in the esc anyway
2015-11-21T00:34:30 < Rob235> and really I don't think I could fit one more wire, I'm basically forcing it as it is
2015-11-21T00:34:33 < Bright> hmm, i want to digitally program the output of a buck regulator, anyone have any suggestions
2015-11-21T00:35:51 < mitrax> http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/L_Socket_G1-CPU.jpg how do you unlock the cpu from the socket on those?
2015-11-21T00:36:10 < mitrax> i turned the "screw" by half a turn and it's still locked
2015-11-21T00:36:16 < mitrax> and there's no lever
2015-11-21T00:36:39 < Bright> perhaps i could find a suitable R2R DAC and tie the buck output to Vref of the DAC, and just initialize the DAC output to something reasonable before enabling the regulator
2015-11-21T00:43:04 < dongs> englishman: so fagout4 is the new minecrap
2015-11-21T00:43:57 < kakimir> I found appartment for myself
2015-11-21T00:44:07 < kakimir> 100eur a month + electricity
2015-11-21T00:44:18 < kakimir> 100square meters
2015-11-21T00:44:43 < mitrax> nevermind, i wasn't turning all the way
2015-11-21T00:44:52 < mitrax> kakimir: nice... that's super cheap
2015-11-21T00:45:50 < kakimir> there is a catch
2015-11-21T00:46:06 < kakimir> it's in desolated area
2015-11-21T00:46:26 < kakimir> it's rottering village school
2015-11-21T00:47:24 < kakimir> neighbor in first floor enjoys booze finnish way
2015-11-21T00:48:40 < kakimir> there is pile up of rottening cars and crap in front of building
2015-11-21T00:49:19 < Laurenceb> LOLWUT http://41.media.tumblr.com/9a64a3fc82a72264d077a789eae9cc48/tumblr_n5j85chDPF1qzcdbeo1_500.jpg
2015-11-21T00:49:23 < Laurenceb>  (NSFW)
2015-11-21T00:51:20 < kakimir> they need the D
2015-11-21T00:51:46 < Laurenceb> I LOLd so they failed
2015-11-21T00:52:49 < kakimir> what are they trying to say?
2015-11-21T00:53:23 < Laurenceb> seems to be an protest against LOL
2015-11-21T00:53:37 < kakimir> http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/mobile/ is this just plain crap?
2015-11-21T00:55:34 < kakimir> comes with plain crap app that add processing to sound
2015-11-21T00:55:53 < kakimir> propably it's the only thing there is
2015-11-21T00:57:58 < kakimir> http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/files/file/A5_ICEpower_MobileSound3_2009_final.pdf
2015-11-21T01:00:12 < Laurenceb> bang-olufsen
2015-11-21T01:00:15 < Laurenceb> then yes
2015-11-21T01:00:40 < kakimir> I wonder what you need signal processing for when you use only reference headphones
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2015-11-21T01:01:05 < kakimir> shiet
2015-11-21T01:01:08 < kakimir> dynamic bass
2015-11-21T01:01:20 < kakimir> multistage compressor/limiter
2015-11-21T01:01:24 < kakimir> this is all crap
2015-11-21T01:04:54 < kakimir> there is no interface for user
2015-11-21T01:05:00 < kakimir> to dsp
2015-11-21T01:10:53 < kakimir> head phone output per channel 25mW
2015-11-21T01:12:00 < kakimir> useless
2015-11-21T01:12:50 < kakimir> like trying to listen with a phone
2015-11-21T01:13:20 < kakimir> it just doesn't have any power to drive headphones
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2015-11-21T01:27:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dK3Tzf8KwA musix
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2015-11-21T01:50:23 < kakimir> what the hell is wrong with wondows 10 fonts?
2015-11-21T01:50:32 < kakimir> some antialiasing
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2015-11-21T02:05:25 < ds2> sigh... god damn search engines
2015-11-21T02:05:53 < upgrdman> lol  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/mad-mad-world/Phuc-Dat-Bich-Man-posts-passport-to-Facebook-to-prove-his-name-is-real/articleshow/49860844.cms
2015-11-21T02:06:54 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/JdIqPUP.gifv
2015-11-21T02:08:14 < Laurenceb> http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-11-19 lulz
2015-11-21T02:08:46 < Laurenceb> http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-11-20 this gets better
2015-11-21T02:11:58 < ds2> piece of shit search engines are dropping words to return useless hits...wasted an hour cuz of them
2015-11-21T02:25:10 < Simon--> lots of people are bitching about that lately
2015-11-21T02:25:22 < Simon--> where's the [x] I'm not an idiot
2015-11-21T02:30:54 < PeterM> its in between hte  "" ""
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2015-11-21T03:55:54 < Laurenceb> holy shit I lolld
2015-11-21T03:55:56 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/280x196xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=38577.0,3Battach=1079874,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.Q8s-FNNDAn.png
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2015-11-21T04:05:22 < BrainDamage> more pixels pls
2015-11-21T04:05:46 < obnauticus> yo
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2015-11-21T04:46:19 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2015-11-21T04:48:09 < upgrdman> whats a good text editor for windows? one of my coworkers said he liked notepad++ but what a douchey name for a program
2015-11-21T04:49:03 < upgrdman> lolwut "By optimizing as many routines as possible without losing user friendliness, Notepad++ is trying to reduce the world carbon dioxide emissions."
2015-11-21T04:49:11 < upgrdman> douches confirmed.
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2015-11-21T05:18:40 < englishman> notepad++ is pretty good
2015-11-21T05:18:52 < englishman> too bad you're too pretentious to use it
2015-11-21T05:19:28 < englishman> sublime is closedsores abandonware
2015-11-21T05:19:38 < englishman> the github one is total lolz
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2015-11-21T05:34:56 < aandrew> I like sublime and vim. works well enough
2015-11-21T05:42:30 < fenugrec> sciTE
2015-11-21T05:51:17 < englishman> been meaning to try that
2015-11-21T05:54:03 < fenugrec> I stopped looking for better editors after scite. Not to say there aren't any other better editors, but it fit the bill 99%
2015-11-21T05:56:35 < upgrdman> englishman, i was only kidding about the name. but that quote from their website is fucking weird.
2015-11-21T05:57:54 < englishman> I think he is French, so his humour is probably too refined for American palates
2015-11-21T05:58:30 < upgrdman> refined. ya, that's the word for it. :)
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2015-11-21T06:13:55 < upgrdman> with an f407 do you need any extra hardware to do usb? or just pcb traces and some resistors?
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2015-11-21T08:12:03 < upgrdman> im back
2015-11-21T08:12:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, ok cool
2015-11-21T08:40:36 < upgrdman> not much
2015-11-21T08:40:43 < upgrdman> weather is nice though
2015-11-21T08:41:06 < upgrdman> just got back from a walk.
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2015-11-21T08:48:50 < emeb_mac> heh - only old people like to get some exercise and fresh air
2015-11-21T08:49:04 < emeb_mac> douch-bros prefer beer and videogames
2015-11-21T08:49:12 < GargantuaSauce> the r2com dichotomy....either you're an old man or a basement dweller
2015-11-21T08:49:59 < GargantuaSauce> masturbation does not count
2015-11-21T08:50:04 < emeb_mac> rofl
2015-11-21T08:50:45 < GargantuaSauce> fleshlight?
2015-11-21T08:51:14 < GargantuaSauce> i chose my angle and i am working it
2015-11-21T08:52:06 < GargantuaSauce> i guess if you're into that
2015-11-21T08:52:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, im a fat ass. walking is a half-ass way to loose half an ass.
2015-11-21T08:53:18 < GargantuaSauce> i am just doing some shitposting before bed
2015-11-21T08:53:21 < GargantuaSauce> part of the routine ya know
2015-11-21T08:54:43 < GargantuaSauce> i believe the first halfassed insult was emitted by yourself
2015-11-21T08:55:30 < upgrdman> it = what?
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2015-11-21T08:55:49 < GargantuaSauce> i think you are misinterpreting the nature of this conversation
2015-11-21T08:55:52 < upgrdman> o lol
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2015-11-21T09:00:10 < GargantuaSauce> yes that is the entirety of my supreme wit you will be subjected to for tonight
2015-11-21T09:01:13 < GargantuaSauce> noted
2015-11-21T09:01:18 < upgrdman> that's what she said
2015-11-21T09:02:58 < GargantuaSauce> i am gonna brush my teeth first jeez
2015-11-21T09:03:00 < GargantuaSauce> i am not some animal
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2015-11-21T09:19:12 < GargantuaSauce> >implying i dont have an irc client in bed
2015-11-21T09:21:19 < GargantuaSauce> present tense is necessary to describe the situation
2015-11-21T09:22:52 < upgrdman> im imagining a tablet on an arm swung over the bed
2015-11-21T09:23:04 < upgrdman> or a tablet duct taped to the ceiling or some shit ;)
2015-11-21T09:23:24 < GargantuaSauce> i hate tablets too much for that to be an option
2015-11-21T09:25:24 < GargantuaSauce> girls don't support 802.11
2015-11-21T09:28:05 < GargantuaSauce> there is zero sharpness involved
2015-11-21T09:28:52 < GargantuaSauce> i deeply regret not being entertaining enough for you
2015-11-21T09:39:10 < Roklobotomy> I am sure you all have seen the "Fano" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b4tlilbswA
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2015-11-21T09:49:13 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/1W-50LM-Mini-Touch-Switch-USB-Mobile-Power-Camping-LED-Light-Lamp-p-956706.html
2015-11-21T09:49:27 < ReadError> how do you suppose they are doing the 'touch' switch on the pcb?
2015-11-21T09:49:36 < ReadError> capacitance or something?
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2015-11-21T09:53:30 < jpa-> ReadError: yeah, seems like pretty typical capacitive sensing
2015-11-21T09:54:07 < jpa-> black soldermask makes it hard to see if there is the pads for capacitive sensing
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2015-11-21T12:07:22 < Fleck> hope not]
2015-11-21T12:07:38 < mitrax> superbia: we only do visual basic sorry
2015-11-21T12:07:53 < Fleck> :D
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2015-11-21T12:47:02 < artag> you might look at micropython.
2015-11-21T12:47:10 < artag> can't see any point using java
2015-11-21T12:47:36 < dongs> i cant see any point using python
2015-11-21T12:47:45 < dongs> given a choice I would take java anyday
2015-11-21T12:48:01 < artag> nor me tbh but it's a scripting language and has a better future than java
2015-11-21T12:48:20 < artag> java is a run-nowhere language
2015-11-21T12:48:28 < dongs> python is a write-only language
2015-11-21T12:48:51 < artag> that's forth, isn't it ?
2015-11-21T12:48:59 < dongs> incorrect
2015-11-21T12:49:05 < artag> Or C++ which i've never seen written clearly
2015-11-21T12:49:19 < artag> Give me plain C fpr preference
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2015-11-21T12:53:00 < pid> yey. favourite programming language flamewar.
2015-11-21T12:53:04 < pid> let's begin.
2015-11-21T12:53:11 < pid> HURRR DURRR ASSEMBLY
2015-11-21T12:53:13 < pid> (:
2015-11-21T12:53:17 < dongs> PIC32 assembly
2015-11-21T12:53:19 < artag> postscript !
2015-11-21T12:53:29 < pid> whitespace!
2015-11-21T12:53:30 < ReadError> atleast everyone can agree perl is the most disgusting language
2015-11-21T12:53:39 < artag> no, I like perl
2015-11-21T12:53:43 < pid> ReadError: ;-D
2015-11-21T13:03:56 < karlp> run nowhere? artag when was the last time you actually used java?
2015-11-21T13:06:17 < artag> karlp: I've lost count of the times I've tried to run some java app and got lost in a forest of incompatible support packages
2015-11-21T13:06:32 < artag> I just avoid it now. not worth the effort.
2015-11-21T13:07:37 < artag> the only things that install reliably are those that carry their java installation with them, like arduino
2015-11-21T13:08:15 < artag> which seems to me to completely invalidate the reason for using a supposedly portable runtime. Might as well just ship compiled code.
2015-11-21T13:24:25 < karlp> people are still using eCOS? tectu has ugfx on it?!
2015-11-21T13:24:58 < Roklobotomy> I thought eCos crawled into some hole and died years ago
2015-11-21T13:30:37 < mitrax> hrm 200° isn't enough for reflowing a board is it?
2015-11-21T13:30:43 < mitrax> (200°C of course)
2015-11-21T13:30:52 < dongs> < artag> the only things that install reliably are those that carry their java installation with them, like arduino
2015-11-21T13:30:55 < dongs> LOL
2015-11-21T13:31:01 < dongs> artag: or xilinx, which contains THREE copies of JVM
2015-11-21T13:31:09 < zyp> heh :D
2015-11-21T13:31:22 < artag> qed :)
2015-11-21T13:34:54 < celeron55> i wonder if anyone knows anything about this: i'm using bkpt #0xAB to print some debug messages to openocd and most of the time it's working just fine... however, at one point it just stops working and acts like there was no debugger attached at all and goes to HardFault_Handler(), while the debugger IS attacked and i can just ^C and bt and see that it just did that
2015-11-21T13:35:43 < dongs> why dont you use SWO instead
2015-11-21T13:35:58 < dongs> and stop fucjking printf';ing to debug
2015-11-21T13:36:07 < dongs> write code that isn't shit, tehn you wont need to printf() stuff when shit breaks
2015-11-21T13:37:01 < mitrax> ahaha
2015-11-21T13:38:44 < celeron55> i don't think you are serious about logging being not useful in complex programs
2015-11-21T13:38:50 < celeron55> but i guess i'll take a look at this SWO thing
2015-11-21T13:42:15 < celeron55> umm... does stm32f0 even have that?
2015-11-21T13:42:52 < celeron55> i don't think it does
2015-11-21T13:44:09 < jpa-> celeron55: hi :)
2015-11-21T13:44:47 < celeron55> hi jpa- 8-)
2015-11-21T13:45:18 < jpa-> celeron55: usually i would ask "what does the hardfault status register say" but IIRC F0 doesn't have that either
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2015-11-21T13:47:08 < jpa-> celeron55: what instruction causes the hardfault?
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2015-11-21T14:09:00 < celeron55> now i realized i might have just had a corrupt stack
2015-11-21T14:10:22 < celeron55> ...i think i'll figure that out first before bothering anyone
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2015-11-21T14:23:22 < karlp> GargantuaSauce: you were entertaining for me, even if not for are2commie
2015-11-21T14:25:40 < karlp> holy shit, fano is awesome
2015-11-21T14:25:52 < GargantuaSauce> <3
2015-11-21T14:26:41 < GargantuaSauce> i wanna try running v8 on the f4 sometime. i think that would be an adventure
2015-11-21T14:29:01 < karlp> v8 doesn't even run on older mips , would be an adventure on f4.
2015-11-21T14:29:10 < karlp> theres' big piles asembly isn' tthere?
2015-11-21T14:29:53 < karlp> GargantuaSauce: there's esptuino though?
2015-11-21T14:29:58 < karlp> espruino sorry
2015-11-21T14:30:06 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it's been done
2015-11-21T14:30:06 < karlp> baby in arms maks tyðing a little difficult
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2015-11-21T14:43:29 < Tectu> zyp, ping
2015-11-21T14:47:15 < Steffanx> zyp is nordic walking
2015-11-21T14:47:52 < Tectu> ah, cool
2015-11-21T14:47:53 < Tectu> thanks
2015-11-21T14:48:42 < Steffanx> ever seen people doing that?
2015-11-21T14:48:50 < Steffanx> it looks terrible
2015-11-21T14:50:15 < mitrax> can't be worse than speed walking
2015-11-21T14:51:18 < Tectu> also known as running
2015-11-21T14:52:00 < mitrax> nope
2015-11-21T14:52:42 < Steffanx> speed walking looks worse yes
2015-11-21T14:52:57 < Steffanx> its not even funny anymore
2015-11-21T14:53:28 < mitrax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvpKouRTCx0
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2015-11-21T14:56:37 < Steffanx> you are forced to touch the ground at any time tectu
2015-11-21T14:57:35 < Steffanx> there are even referees to check that. you will be disqualified if youdont
2015-11-21T15:00:33 < Tectu> hmm
2015-11-21T15:02:02 < Sync> it is fucking hard
2015-11-21T15:02:16 < Sync> and fucks with your joints
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2015-11-21T15:34:11 < Tectu> when using standard bare-metal STM32 project using CubeHAL, how does one enable/disable the FPU?
2015-11-21T15:34:47 < zyp> Tectu, what?
2015-11-21T15:35:19 < Tectu> zyp, well, many libs/OSes have a setting for that. So I have no idea how to do that on a bare-metal project
2015-11-21T15:35:40 < zyp> sorry, I don't follow, I just got home from a bike ride
2015-11-21T15:37:43 < Tectu> zyp, oh, the thing I pinged you before was not related to that FPU question I just asked.
2015-11-21T15:37:55 < Tectu> zyp, just wanted to ask for your macro objective specs
2015-11-21T15:38:33 < zyp> for what?
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2015-11-21T15:38:57 < zyp> I'll get back to you after a shower
2015-11-21T15:39:10 < Steffanx> no sauna?
2015-11-21T15:39:22 < Tectu> zyp, just curious
2015-11-21T15:39:25 < Tectu> zyp, enjoy shower
2015-11-21T15:47:34 < zyp> Tectu, so what do you mean by macro objective?
2015-11-21T15:48:02 < Tectu> zyp, afaik you have some fancy DSLR with a fancy macro lense, no?
2015-11-21T15:48:14 < zyp> oh, right
2015-11-21T15:48:39 < zyp> Canon EF-S 60mm macro
2015-11-21T15:49:03 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF-S_60mm_f/2.8_Macro_USM_lens <- this thing
2015-11-21T15:50:50 < zyp> we call it objective in norwegian as well, but in english it's lens, so I didn't get your question at first :)
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2015-11-21T15:54:47 < Tectu> zyp, ah, sorry :P
2015-11-21T15:55:34 < Tectu> zyp, somebody introduced me to this puppy:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_FE_90mm_F2.8_Macro_G_OSS
2015-11-21T15:56:15 < zyp> if you're a sony guy, it's probably just as good
2015-11-21T15:56:27 < zyp> judging by price it should be better :)
2015-11-21T15:57:33 < Tectu> zyp, I am not a photography guy, I know nothing about this stuff
2015-11-21T15:57:46 < Tectu> zyp, somebody just recommended me that lense with a Sony alpha 7 II
2015-11-21T15:58:12 < zyp> ah, mirrorless
2015-11-21T15:58:25 < zyp> I hear people claim it's decent
2015-11-21T15:58:34 < zyp> but I don't have any experience with it myself
2015-11-21T15:58:56 < Tectu> I understand the mechanical differences but not really seeing the advantages/disadvantages. Yet I am not a photography guy and also didn´t really bother reading about that yet
2015-11-21T15:59:07 < zyp> it's also full frame, which adds to the price, so both that body and that camera is more expensive than mine
2015-11-21T15:59:35 < Tectu> somebody told me that full-frame would be the better choice for display pictures/videos
2015-11-21T15:59:56 < Tectu> but on the other hand a few other people also told me that there´s a santa clause a few years back so... better not trust people
2015-11-21T16:00:48 < zyp> full frame means that the picture sensor is larger, and a larger sensor gets more light, which leads to a better snr
2015-11-21T16:01:07 < zyp> so in theory full frame cameras are generally better
2015-11-21T16:01:09 < zyp> and more expensive
2015-11-21T16:01:47 < zyp> sensor size is also why dslrs are better than phone cameras
2015-11-21T16:03:06 < zyp> mirrorless bodies are smaller and lighter than slr bodies, which makes the camera more convenient to pack and carry
2015-11-21T16:03:38 < zyp> and if you're used to taking pics by looking on a monitor, you probably wouldn't miss the slr viewfinder
2015-11-21T16:03:51 < Tectu> well, I don´t use cameras other than doing home stuff
2015-11-21T16:04:00 < Tectu> but most likely only because I never had a decent one :D
2015-11-21T16:04:24 < Tectu> zyp, that 90mm lense... is that only usable for close-up shoots or can one also take that outside?
2015-11-21T16:04:29 < zyp> well, if you're buying a camera, you have to ask yourself what your budget is and what you want the camera to do
2015-11-21T16:05:00 < Tectu> budget would be 3k USD for body + lense. Needs to do very very good pictures of displays (and videos, important!)
2015-11-21T16:05:09 < Tectu> that´s about it.
2015-11-21T16:05:26 < Tectu> also pictures of PCBs and crap, but Mr. phone can do that too
2015-11-21T16:05:31 < zyp> the lens can focus from 1:1 macro to infinity, so you can take pics of stuff regardless of the distance
2015-11-21T16:05:42 < zyp> but it's a prime, so there's no zoom at all
2015-11-21T16:06:25 < zyp> and 90mm on a full format body would be short tele, so for generic stuff you'll probably feel that you can't get everything in the picture that you want to
2015-11-21T16:06:30 < zyp> decent for portraits
2015-11-21T16:07:11 < zyp> since my camera is 1.6x crop, that 90mm would correspond to 56mm on my camera
2015-11-21T16:07:45 < zyp> my normal zoom lens is 17-55, so it would be around what a normal lens is when it's zoomed all the way in
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2015-11-21T16:09:10 < zyp> so you most likely would want to get another lens as well if you're using the camera for other stuff
2015-11-21T16:10:15 < zyp> I have 17-55, 70-200 and 60mm macro, and the other two lenses cover the same area as the macro lens just as well, so I only use the macro lens when I'm actually doing macro stuff
2015-11-21T16:11:05 < zyp> in canon's case, the macro lens is fairly cheap, so it doesn't bother me to have bought it only for macro usage
2015-11-21T16:12:04 < zyp> I haven't seen any zoom lenses with decent macro either, so I think you're kinda stuck with getting a prime for that
2015-11-21T16:13:52 < Tectu> zyp, you mean that camera can´t optical zoom?
2015-11-21T16:14:01 < Tectu> zyp, so I would get a lense that can zoom for regular shots?
2015-11-21T16:14:03 < zyp> the lens can't
2015-11-21T16:14:20 < zyp> yep
2015-11-21T16:14:27 < ReadError> primes are more fun anyways
2015-11-21T16:14:43 < Tectu> zyp, I thought about getting this body with that lense:  https://www.brack.ch/sony-alpha-7-ii-330585
2015-11-21T16:14:47 < zyp> the focal distance, i.e. 90mm in this case, is a measure of the field of view of the camera
2015-11-21T16:15:02 < Tectu> zyp, but I could get the same body with a lense that is a bit cheaper than when I buy it separately:  https://www.brack.ch/sony-alpha-7-ii-kit-330588
2015-11-21T16:15:17 < Tectu> zyp, so the kit + macro lense and I would have a decent camera for my macro needs and regular shots?
2015-11-21T16:15:30 < zyp> yeah, 28-70 is a normal zoom for full format
2015-11-21T16:15:39 < Tectu> zyp, field of view as in depth?
2015-11-21T16:15:43 < zyp> it means that it can zoom from 28mm to 70mm
2015-11-21T16:15:50 < zyp> no, how wide it sees
2015-11-21T16:15:51 < Tectu> as in the range distance in which everythign is sharp?
2015-11-21T16:15:53 < Tectu> ah
2015-11-21T16:16:25 < zyp> I think on a full format camera, 50mm is regarded as a normal human field of view when looking at something
2015-11-21T16:16:29 < Tectu> so the macro lense is fixed 90mm and this one can go between 28mm to 70mm which is actually the zoom thing?
2015-11-21T16:16:41 < zyp> so a zoom that spans the area around 50mm is called a normal zoom
2015-11-21T16:16:54 < zyp> correct
2015-11-21T16:16:56 < Tectu> but ´field of view´ has nothing to do with angle, right? as in fisheye magic
2015-11-21T16:17:27 < zyp> sure it does, you might be thinking of depth of field?
2015-11-21T16:17:55 < zyp> field of view is how wide you see, a fisheye lens is typically something like 8mm or so
2015-11-21T16:18:15 < zyp> lower numbers are wider, higher numbers are narrower
2015-11-21T16:18:16 < Tectu> I have trouble translating that mm number into an angle
2015-11-21T16:18:58 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length
2015-11-21T16:19:11 < zyp> look at the top picture there
2015-11-21T16:19:32 < Tectu> oh, that crap was my first term physics topic/subject
2015-11-21T16:19:34 < zyp> f is this number
2015-11-21T16:19:45 < zyp> the lower the focal distance is, the closer the F point is
2015-11-21T16:20:02 < zyp> and the closer it is, the wider the angle between the two arrows is
2015-11-21T16:20:10 < Tectu> yep, I remember / makes sense
2015-11-21T16:20:30 < zyp> I don't think much about the physics behind it, I just got used to the numbers
2015-11-21T16:20:45 < Tectu> zyp, but that 90mm lense I linked... the specs state that there are 15 lenses in that thing... wtf
2015-11-21T16:20:53 < zyp> like I said, 50mm is normal, lower numbers are called wide and higher numbers are called tele
2015-11-21T16:20:56 < Tectu> do I need 15 lenses to take a decen picture of a TFT?
2015-11-21T16:21:06 < zyp> that's normal, that's why we don't call it lens in our languages :)
2015-11-21T16:21:08 < Tectu> zyp, tele as in telescopic?
2015-11-21T16:21:13 < zyp> correct
2015-11-21T16:21:28 < zyp> 70-200 is a telezoom
2015-11-21T16:21:40 < zyp> the opposite to zoom is prime, i.e. fixed
2015-11-21T16:21:48 < zyp> so that macro lens is a 90mm prime
2015-11-21T16:21:55 < zyp> and like I said, 90mm would be short tele
2015-11-21T16:22:08 < zyp> i.e. around what a normal zoom would be on the tele end
2015-11-21T16:22:23 < Tectu> so getting these two items would make a decent camera for my display picture/video needs and decent camera for vacation pictures?
2015-11-21T16:22:24 < Tectu> https://www.brack.ch/sony-alpha-7-ii-kit-330588
2015-11-21T16:22:27 < Tectu> https://www.brack.ch/sony-objektiv-fe-90mm-f--2-343954
2015-11-21T16:23:37 < zyp> the kit lens has pretty cheap specs, but yeah
2015-11-21T16:24:07 < zyp> good normal zooms typically have F2.8 throughout the range, that one goes from 3.5 to 5.6
2015-11-21T16:24:14 < zyp> which indicates the widest aperture
2015-11-21T16:24:29 < Tectu> as it is  1/f  I assume that the aperature is in relation to the focal lenght?
2015-11-21T16:24:40 < zyp> wider aperture = more light, so they are better in low light conditions (or for a deliberately shallow depth of field)
2015-11-21T16:24:42 < mitrax> Tectu: what kind of photography do you want to do?
2015-11-21T16:25:01 < zyp> Tectu, correct, but it doesn't matter
2015-11-21T16:25:11 < zyp> the number as it stands tells you how much light passes through
2015-11-21T16:25:38 < Tectu> zyp, I don´t mind spending 100 or 200.- more and getting just the body with a separate lense instead if it results in better usability of the camera. I just don´t want to buy something I can only use to take close-ups. When I spend 3k I want something I can take outside too
2015-11-21T16:25:48 < zyp> and when expressed as a fraction of the focal length, the relationship between number and light is independent of focal length
2015-11-21T16:26:20 < zyp> sure, the lens would be usable, but it's cheap
2015-11-21T16:26:44 < Tectu> zyp, https://www.brack.ch/multimedia-hifi/foto-videografie/objektive?query=sony+objektiv&filter%5BfacetManufacturerName%5D%5B%5D=Sony
2015-11-21T16:26:46 < zyp> that lens itself is probably $200, a good normal zoom is $1000
2015-11-21T16:26:52 < Tectu> wtf
2015-11-21T16:26:57 < Tectu> I thought macro lenses are the expensive crap
2015-11-21T16:27:12 < Tectu> mitrax, see above. Need to take pictures and videos of displays and electronics
2015-11-21T16:27:26 < zyp> zoom mechanisms are expensive, primes are much cheaper to construct
2015-11-21T16:27:35 < zyp> my macro lens is the cheapest I've got :)
2015-11-21T16:28:06 < Tectu> zyp, if I am not mistaking the kit lense is 430.-  https://www.brack.ch/sony-objektiv-fe-28-70mm-f-314982
2015-11-21T16:28:09 < Tectu> (retail)
2015-11-21T16:28:11 < mitrax> i have about the same lens range as zyp, 17-40mm 50mm and a 70-200mm turns out that the one most i like the most is the prime, and cheapest one too :) get a 50 or 60mm macro as zyp suggested, something that <= F/2.0 you could use it to make nice portraits or promo pictures
2015-11-21T16:28:24 < zyp> Tectu, yeah, I was about to link it to you
2015-11-21T16:28:34 < zyp> Tectu, and this is a good one: https://www.brack.ch/sony-objektiv-24-70mm-f--2-352285
2015-11-21T16:28:52 < Tectu> zyp, note that CHF == USD == EUR at the moment
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2015-11-21T16:29:00 < Tectu> so what the fuck makes that thing 2k expensive?
2015-11-21T16:29:18 < zyp> more glass, more precise machining, etc
2015-11-21T16:30:05 < zyp> F2.8 throughout the range means that it gets in four times as much light as one with F5.6, which means four times as much light to take care of
2015-11-21T16:30:29 < Tectu> zyp, I am a bit worried about the 90mm, tho. This means that I can´t zoom in to make the display I want to take a video from filling the entire screen/sensor
2015-11-21T16:30:31 < ReadError> they say good lenses are an investment though
2015-11-21T16:30:36 < mitrax> Tectu: if i were you i'd get a body with the kit lens, which is ok for landscape pictures (you don't really need a fast lens for landscapes) and get a fast macro prime within the range 50 or 85mm depending if you go full frame or not
2015-11-21T16:30:54 < zyp> Tectu, sure you can, you just move it closer
2015-11-21T16:31:02 < Tectu> mitrax, I will most likely never take landscape pictures. I am more of a building person
2015-11-21T16:31:12 < mitrax> Tectu: well same thing
2015-11-21T16:31:13 < Tectu> mitrax, anyway, 99% of my needs are macro needs for promo pictures/videos
2015-11-21T16:31:19 < zyp> Tectu, the point of a macro lens is that you can focus on something that's really close
2015-11-21T16:31:36 < Tectu> I see
2015-11-21T16:31:54 < zyp> 1:1 macro means that you can fill the picture frame with something of the same size as the camera sensor, i.e. 35mm for a full format camera
2015-11-21T16:32:07 < Tectu> ah, interesting
2015-11-21T16:32:26 < Tectu> zyp, so I am starting to think wheter my needs are macro needs then
2015-11-21T16:32:35 < Tectu> zyp, I need to take pictures of 3 inch displays.
2015-11-21T16:33:09 < zyp> how about you just get the camera with the kit lens first, and then you put money in a decent lens when you know what you need to improve over the kit lens?
2015-11-21T16:33:44 < zyp> it's kinda hard to guess what you need without any experience :)
2015-11-21T16:33:46 < ReadError> i have a 105mm macro lens, actually a bit too much zoom, need to be a good distance away from stuff
2015-11-21T16:34:02 < zyp> ReadError, crop or full frame?
2015-11-21T16:34:10 < ReadError> crop camera
2015-11-21T16:34:16 < zyp> makes sense
2015-11-21T16:34:25 < mitrax> then that's like 168mm
2015-11-21T16:34:27 < ReadError> lens is the FX or whatever is for full frame
2015-11-21T16:34:35 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-21T16:34:59 < Tectu> zyp, so you think that it could be possible to use the kit lense to take pictures of my discovery boards?
2015-11-21T16:35:05 < mitrax> tectu: yes
2015-11-21T16:35:09 < zyp> of course
2015-11-21T16:35:24 < Tectu> currently I have a Panasonic Lumix LX7. Thanks to jpa-, was a great recommendation. But I feel like I want more.
2015-11-21T16:35:36 < ReadError> http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-vr-micro-nikkor-105mm-f%252f2.8g-if-ed.html
2015-11-21T16:35:37 < zyp> more of what?
2015-11-21T16:36:11 < Tectu> more of close-up ness
2015-11-21T16:36:37 < Tectu> also there is a lot of ´straight edges becoming curves´ happening - which is really bad for my purposes
2015-11-21T16:36:58 < zyp> that's typical for zoom lenses
2015-11-21T16:37:07 < mitrax> tectu: well if you shoot at the short end of the zoom yeah you'll have barrel distortion
2015-11-21T16:37:10 < zyp> and that's what they have lots of glass to correct for
2015-11-21T16:37:27 < mitrax> tectu: shoot at the end of the zoom range if you can to minimize distortion
2015-11-21T16:37:37 < zyp> in a prime, it's much easier to correct for, becaue you only account for a single focal length
2015-11-21T16:37:45 < mitrax> tectu: not convenient since you have to get further away, but you'll get rid of most of the problem
2015-11-21T16:37:53 < Tectu> mitrax, upper or lower end?
2015-11-21T16:38:10 < mitrax> mitrax: upper, not the wide angle end, the longest focal length
2015-11-21T16:38:15 < mitrax> err Tectu
2015-11-21T16:38:19 < Tectu> neat
2015-11-21T16:38:26 < zyp> mitrax, i.e. the tele end
2015-11-21T16:38:37 < zyp> idk, distortion varies by lens
2015-11-21T16:38:38 < mitrax> yes :)
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2015-11-21T16:38:56 < zyp> probably varies which focal lengths they are optimized at
2015-11-21T16:38:59 < Tectu> zyp, so getting the kit first will be the right way to tackle this? This would mean that the body is decent enought to be ´kept using´ ?
2015-11-21T16:39:17 < zyp> it's a pretty expensive body, so I would hope that :)
2015-11-21T16:39:45 < mitrax> Tectu: well give it a try, not necessarily at the tele end, somewhere in between, but definitely not in wide angle
2015-11-21T16:40:02 < Tectu> zyp, this is the same body but with twice the megapixels:  https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product/sony-alpha-7r-ii-body-direktimport-englisch-franzoesisch-2-jahre-bring-in-garantie-schwarz-4240mp-fo-5342233
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2015-11-21T16:40:35 < mitrax> imoh that's way overkill for what you want to use it for
2015-11-21T16:40:40 < mitrax> err imho
2015-11-21T16:40:51 < zyp> Tectu, but the saying is «put your money in the glass, lenses will keep their value while the body gets obsoleted by technical advances in sensor chip tech»
2015-11-21T16:41:08 < zyp> megapixels doesn't matter
2015-11-21T16:41:17 < mitrax> Tectu: get a camera model that's 1 or 2 years old
2015-11-21T16:41:20 < mitrax> Tectu: with the kit lens
2015-11-21T16:41:47 < zyp> the pics that you'll put on the internet is downscaled to like two megapixels anyway, it doesn't make sense to pay for 40
2015-11-21T16:42:04 < Tectu> hmm, makes sense
2015-11-21T16:42:45 < zyp> also, more megapixels means less light per pixel, since the total amount of light is finite
2015-11-21T16:42:57 < zyp> and less light per pixel means worse snr, i.e. more noise
2015-11-21T16:43:16 < zyp> so from a picture quality perspective, number of megapixels doesn't really matter at all
2015-11-21T16:44:00 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E08pl.JPG <- see this pic? it's a 1920x1280 downscale, that's just over two megapixels
2015-11-21T16:45:03 < Tectu> zyp, I want to be able to take pictures exactly like those.
2015-11-21T16:45:07 < Tectu> want to as in need to, partially
2015-11-21T16:45:17 < zyp> that one is 1:1 macro
2015-11-21T16:45:26 < Tectu> zyp, so I couldn´t do that with the kit lense?
2015-11-21T16:45:32 < zyp> so if you want that sort of closeness, you need a macro lens
2015-11-21T16:46:08 < zyp> on a normal zoom, you'll hit the near focus limit before you get that close
2015-11-21T16:46:27 < Tectu> okay
2015-11-21T16:46:31 < zyp> if you want I can take a pic at near focus limit with my normal to demonstrate
2015-11-21T16:46:45 < Tectu> zyp, if you are bored enought I would the thankful :)
2015-11-21T16:47:02 < zyp> can even take it of the same board :)
2015-11-21T16:47:15 < Tectu> hehe
2015-11-21T16:47:20 < Tectu> that silkscreen... seriously...
2015-11-21T16:49:15 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BOTi6.JPG <- here's the best my $1000 normal zoom can do
2015-11-21T16:49:26 < ReadError> is that dongs fab?
2015-11-21T16:49:37 < ReadError> did he yell at them about the drillhits and mask?
2015-11-21T16:49:46 < zyp> ReadError, it is
2015-11-21T16:50:44 < Tectu> zyp, thank you very much!
2015-11-21T16:50:58 < Tectu> zyp, so probably the kit + 90mm lense is still a good combo to cover my needs
2015-11-21T16:51:14 < zyp> I would think so
2015-11-21T16:51:30 < zyp> and if you later figure out you want to do more of other stuff, you can just get another lens
2015-11-21T16:52:03 < zyp> oh, do note, the last picture is also downscaled
2015-11-21T16:52:17 < zyp> I could of course crop it instead
2015-11-21T16:52:50 < zyp> which would show more details
2015-11-21T16:52:58 < zyp> but then again, that also goes for the macro pic
2015-11-21T16:53:28 < Tectu> zyp, great, thanks!
2015-11-21T16:53:40 < Tectu> zyp, just to be sure, that alpha 7 II is definitely suited to take videos too?
2015-11-21T16:53:55 < Tectu> or will Mr. Phone take better videos? I don´t really get the difference between video cameras and photo cameras
2015-11-21T16:54:00 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-21T16:54:09 < mitrax> alpha 7 II will take MUCH MUCH better video
2015-11-21T16:54:31 < zyp> I still don't have any experience with sony :)
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2015-11-21T16:55:29 < zyp> but judging by the specs stating it can do 1080p60, I don't think it would do bad at video
2015-11-21T16:55:47 < zyp> it's still the same lens making the picture sharp ;)
2015-11-21T16:56:12 < zyp> «Like the a7S, the a7 II has the ability to record in the XAVC S codec, which offers a 50MBps bit rate at 1080/60p (as well as 1080/30p and 1080/24p). Recording in AVCHD and MP4 also remain an option.»
2015-11-21T16:56:32 < zyp> I'm pretty sure that would beat any phone by far :)
2015-11-21T16:57:09 < Tectu> zyp, my girlfriend phone can do 1080p60 too ;)
2015-11-21T16:57:22 < mitrax> Tectu: it's not just about the resolution / fps
2015-11-21T16:57:25 < zyp> sure, but can you put a decent lens on it? :)
2015-11-21T16:57:44 < Tectu> zyp, depends whether you can supply me with the required amounts of ductape
2015-11-21T16:58:07 < mitrax> Tectu: there's a world of difference between the video quality you'll get from a modern DSLR vs what you get from an iphone 6
2015-11-21T16:58:56 < mitrax> Tectu: check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jor_WkheaE there's a scene shot with the 90mm F/2.8 macro
2015-11-21T16:59:35 < Tectu> HOLY CRAP
2015-11-21T16:59:40 < Tectu> now that´s one sharp video
2015-11-21T16:59:53 < zyp> oh, shirakawa-go
2015-11-21T17:00:01 < zyp> I've wanted to go there
2015-11-21T17:00:34 < Tectu> but at 00:36 he uses that 90mm 1:1 macro lense... to film a house that is far far away. I thought with that lense your stuff must be like within 30mm
2015-11-21T17:00:38 < Tectu> or cm
2015-11-21T17:00:44 < zyp> no
2015-11-21T17:00:52 < zyp> like I said, it can still focus to infinity
2015-11-21T17:00:53 < mitrax> Tectu: no, macro means you can focus close
2015-11-21T17:01:02 < mitrax> Tectu: but it doesn't mean ytou can't focus to infinity
2015-11-21T17:01:20 < Tectu> so the only reason not to use a macro lense is for zoom action?
2015-11-21T17:01:35 < mitrax> Tectu: so it can still be used as a portrait / general purpose lens
2015-11-21T17:01:46 < Tectu> so am i right when I assume that you can get a macro lense that has a built-in zoom, ie. isn´t 1:1 ?
2015-11-21T17:01:52 < zyp> Tectu, and because 90mm can often be too narrow for generic purpose use
2015-11-21T17:02:07 < zyp> Tectu, haven't seen a zoom with proper macro
2015-11-21T17:02:17 < Tectu> zyp, so that house at 00:36 in that video. If I use a non-90mm macro lense, I would see more stuff around the house?
2015-11-21T17:02:34 < zyp> yes
2015-11-21T17:03:01 < zyp> macro or not doesn't matter, since you're not focusing at 1:1 in that case
2015-11-21T17:03:16 < zyp> macro just means «can focus super close»
2015-11-21T17:04:40 < mitrax> Tectu: a macro lens is usually a regular prime but with close-up focus ability, the only difference with a regular prime is you won't see super fast macro lens, like F/1.2 or F/1.4,. for macro the optical design has to be done slightly differently i guess which prevents super wide apertures, it's a tradeoff
2015-11-21T17:05:08 < mitrax> Tectu: usually most macro are >= F/2.8
2015-11-21T17:05:28 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-21T17:05:36 < zyp> doesn't matter either way
2015-11-21T17:05:53 < zyp> even F2.8 is super shallow for macro
2015-11-21T17:06:08 < zyp> so you'll shoot macro at something like F16
2015-11-21T17:06:25 < zyp> which again needs a bunch of light, so make sure to pick up a decent flash as well
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2015-11-21T17:07:52 < Tectu> mitrax, what exactly is a prime? Fixed zoom?
2015-11-21T17:08:00 < mitrax> Tectu: prime means fixed focal length
2015-11-21T17:08:22 < mitrax> Tectu: when zoom is variable focal length :)
2015-11-21T17:08:32 < Tectu> why can´t they just make photography become simple :D
2015-11-21T17:08:53 < mitrax> it's actually very simple once you know the basics
2015-11-21T17:08:55 < zyp> it is pretty simple really
2015-11-21T17:09:08 < zyp> you just have to learn it ;)
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2015-11-21T17:09:34 < zyp> oh, regarding that kit lens, it probably has around the same range of use as the built in one on that lumix
2015-11-21T17:09:54 < Tectu> zyp, cool, thanks
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2015-11-21T17:10:32 < Tectu> well. thank you very much for all your help, guys! Very appreciated
2015-11-21T17:10:44 < Tectu> gotta go now
2015-11-21T17:10:45 < zyp> hmm, lumix specs says that it's equivalent to 24-90
2015-11-21T17:10:51 < Tectu> will let you know when I got one ;)
2015-11-21T17:10:51 < mitrax> Tectu: have fun!
2015-11-21T17:11:04 < Tectu> cu!
2015-11-21T17:11:06 < Tectu> thanks, really :)
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2015-11-21T18:50:33 < upgrdman> flickering huh  http://i.imgur.com/8DXHQlg.jpg
2015-11-21T18:50:59 < mitrax> what?
2015-11-21T18:52:34 < mitrax> most be those lightbulbs that are supposed to be like candles and flicker slightly... either that or a bad batch they didn't want to throw away :)
2015-11-21T18:53:00 < mitrax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h7uQAe43k8
2015-11-21T18:56:15 < Rob235> I'm guessing he was commenting on the fact that it looks like fuckering
2015-11-21T18:56:24 < Rob235> ?
2015-11-21T18:56:38 < mitrax> oh
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2015-11-21T18:57:34 < mitrax> it went over my head
2015-11-21T18:59:30 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: that pic is so grainy it could feed an entire population in ethiopia
2015-11-21T18:59:54 < upgrdman> yup
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2015-11-21T19:16:42 < upgrdman> lol  https://fat.gfycat.com/LegalVigilantBlacknorwegianelkhound.webm
2015-11-21T19:17:12 < mitrax> AHAHAAH
2015-11-21T19:18:00 < upgrdman> found R2COM (nsfw)  http://imgur.com/TY0B0tW
2015-11-21T19:19:21 < ReadError> no tracksuit ;(
2015-11-21T19:21:53 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/NCHMlcN.gif
2015-11-21T19:26:09 < ReadError> few days in sanfran and R2COM gonna be lookin just like miley
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2015-11-21T20:22:22 < ds2> nmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnmnnnmnmnnnnnnnnmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnkmjjjjjjjhnbhhvggfggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
2015-11-21T20:22:31 < ds2> wtf
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2015-11-21T20:23:04 < Steffanx> lol ds2
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2015-11-21T20:23:57 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners#2000 see pawsense
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2015-11-21T23:17:33 < upgrdman> anyone know if something like this would work with a dingleberry pi?  http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-SATA-Drive-Adapter-Cable/dp/B00HJZJI84/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41RlR-Q1siL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0CF8NPTG7YX1W4SXV441
2015-11-21T23:17:48 < upgrdman> i've got some old laptop HDDs which i might be able to repurpose
2015-11-21T23:26:04 < Steffanx> USB3.0 and bus powered ... very unlikely to work with a rpi.
2015-11-21T23:27:30 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: but USB3.0 can work with the usual high-speed hosts, can't it?
2015-11-21T23:28:01 < Steffanx> it should, but then there still is the bus powered issue.
2015-11-21T23:29:38 < PaulFertser> I think rpi doesn't limit the current much, but I'm not sure. One can use a powered hub anyway.
2015-11-21T23:29:50 < Steffanx> Aren't there rpi look-a-likes around that do sata?
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2015-11-21T23:30:15 < Steffanx> but not for $12.88 of course
2015-11-21T23:30:15 < PaulFertser> CubieTruck is a nice one.
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2015-11-21T23:33:31 < Steffanx> And sure there is a solution for almost every problem, but the question is.. do you really want to use a rpi in this case ;)
2015-11-21T23:36:58 < kakimir> mah niggas
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2015-11-21T23:37:19 < Steffanx> Yo Brah. Ho's ya doin ?
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2015-11-21T23:49:58 < kakimir> wanna see miley cyrus guys?
2015-11-21T23:50:02 < kakimir> nsfw
2015-11-21T23:53:14 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ya i know... it's just that i have two pi's laying around, and i would replace them but the whole reason for why i liked the pi's was so i could reuse some old SD cards and micro USB chargers. seems like ~all new SBCs uses micro SD and barrel jacks for power... neither of which i have laying around
2015-11-21T23:53:46 < kakimir> I think I need to order a pile of generic sds
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2015-11-22T00:05:52 < upgrdman> these caps are oil filled, right? why? just for heat spreading?  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AM1XI3I?keywords=run%20capacitor&psc=1&qid=1448143503&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1-spons
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2015-11-22T01:09:07 < kakimir> about watches http://asset-7.soupcdn.com/asset/14151/8242_7fbf_390.gif
2015-11-22T01:12:04 < mitrax> kakimir: when do you move to your new appartment?
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2015-11-22T01:28:35 < kakimir> you are waiting for it?
2015-11-22T01:29:09 < mitrax> just curious
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2015-11-22T01:32:43 < kakimir> idk
2015-11-22T01:32:53 < kakimir> still too busy to sort my shit out
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2015-11-22T01:50:39 < kakimir> mitrax: my schedule isn't anyone elses concern anyways..
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2015-11-22T01:56:47 < kakimir> because I'm bad with time
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2015-11-22T02:00:19 < kakimir> anyone have sense for these inter turbo boost things how to optimize it?
2015-11-22T02:02:01 < kakimir> even when loaded core temp stays too low to thermal throttling to step in
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2015-11-22T02:02:24 < kakimir> I'm wondering if there is some cooldown time or ratio for turboboost
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2015-11-22T02:35:30 < kakimir> there is like physics involved
2015-11-22T02:36:19  * mitrax burps
2015-11-22T02:42:55 < kakimir> I had grandma desktop on
2015-11-22T02:43:03 < kakimir> 150% size
2015-11-22T02:46:46 < mitrax> grandma desktop? eh?
2015-11-22T02:46:49 < mitrax> you're into granny porn?
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2015-11-22T02:53:50 < kakimir> nope
2015-11-22T02:55:19 < mitrax> what's "grandma desktop" ?
2015-11-22T02:56:40 < kakimir> 150% zoom on
2015-11-22T02:56:58 < mitrax> oh
2015-11-22T02:59:58 < kakimir> it came upon when I looked for solutions for font rendering problem
2015-11-22T03:05:46 < kakimir> installed f.lux
2015-11-22T03:05:58 < kakimir> so called pee display
2015-11-22T03:11:44 < dongs> uhh
2015-11-22T03:11:49 < dongs> you 150% zoomed in your 1080piss display?
2015-11-22T03:11:56 < dongs> are you fucking blind?
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2015-11-22T03:12:01 < upgrdman> 640x480 ftw
2015-11-22T03:12:02 < BrainDamage> kakmir is becoming a true lunix user
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2015-11-22T03:14:11 < dongs> next he'll be running it on 80x25 text mode
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2015-11-22T03:17:15 < aandrew>  I'm pretty sure he's zippy2 reincarnated
2015-11-22T03:19:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKyzBIuvF30 pretty pro landing
2015-11-22T03:22:36 < kakimir> im using botnet windows dongs
2015-11-22T03:27:35 < kakimir> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87c_1447930761
2015-11-22T03:28:05 < dongs> thats from jewtube comments.
2015-11-22T03:28:21 < dongs> the fuckwad in original video missed the actual fucking crash point
2015-11-22T03:28:38 < kakimir> Im not amused
2015-11-22T03:29:24 < kakimir> what a pathetic death for them
2015-11-22T03:30:57 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1448137#msg1448137
2015-11-22T03:32:02 < kakimir> does nasaspaceflight has something to do with nasa?
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2015-11-22T03:33:28 < Laurenceb> no
2015-11-22T03:33:59 < Laurenceb> it has everything to do with insane lunatics like that guy
2015-11-22T03:34:41 < dongs> troollforum
2015-11-22T03:34:59 < jadew> I too bad
2015-11-22T03:35:04 < jadew> ah, too bad
2015-11-22T03:35:14  * jadew finished cleaning his lab today \/
2015-11-22T03:35:15 < Laurenceb> only way that could get more mental is if timecube guy himself showed up
2015-11-22T03:35:39 < Laurenceb> protip: thetraveller is Shawyer
2015-11-22T03:35:44 < kakimir> why don't nasa simply shoot them into space? one way of course
2015-11-22T03:35:54 < kakimir> to mars - direction
2015-11-22T03:36:18 < Laurenceb> if I worked for nasa I'd shoot all those forum trolls into space
2015-11-22T03:36:37 < jadew> then I'd join the forum trolls
2015-11-22T03:36:43 < jadew> cuz I always wanted to go to space
2015-11-22T03:37:29 < jadew> but I'll wait for the EM Drive, it sounds safer
2015-11-22T03:37:59 < jadew> hmm, my pizza timer didn't trigger
2015-11-22T03:38:01 < jadew> pizza's ready!
2015-11-22T03:38:05 < jadew> oh there it is
2015-11-22T03:39:36 < Laurenceb> ddid you microwave it?
2015-11-22T03:41:50 < Laurenceb> perman00b question: why two ports?
2015-11-22T03:41:51 < Laurenceb> http://miniradiosolutions.com/54-2/
2015-11-22T03:42:48 < jadew> Laurenceb, I cooked it
2015-11-22T03:43:19 < Laurenceb> amazing drama here, someone cooked a pizza
2015-11-22T03:44:02 < Laurenceb> this being the internet, I guess we can be glad you didnt fuck it first
2015-11-22T03:44:18 < Laurenceb> 1 guy 1 pizza
2015-11-22T03:44:18 < jadew> I didn't say that
2015-11-22T03:44:45 < jadew> so you'll never know
2015-11-22T03:47:32 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/20151122_034330.png
2015-11-22T03:48:20 < jadew> http://irecommend.ru/sites/default/files/product-images/36319/pizza_guseppe_z_salami_c.jpg
2015-11-22T03:48:34 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-11-22T03:48:38 < Laurenceb> lurn 2 graphics
2015-11-22T03:48:48 < Laurenceb> bazillion pixel png
2015-11-22T03:49:00 < jadew> 1.something Mb
2015-11-22T03:49:03 < jadew> that's nothing
2015-11-22T03:49:12 < jadew> (the image size)
2015-11-22T03:51:14 < jadew> my wife can cook good pizza from scratch
2015-11-22T03:51:27 < jadew> but I'm a diet so I have to find other ways
2015-11-22T03:52:22 < jadew> on a
2015-11-22T03:54:27 < karlp> if we're doign late night sharing, then.... haters make me famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zszJRsGzo9A&list=PLSPFOEDhSJ9B2h7lzYxh_-EEMGRl-TeRh&index=12
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2015-11-22T04:47:00 < jadew> how do you guys manage your cables?
2015-11-22T04:47:48 < jadew> I have a ton of cables under my desk and it's the thing that bothers me most at this point
2015-11-22T04:49:41 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/wires.jpg
2015-11-22T04:49:56 < jadew> older pic, but that's pretty much the situation under my desk
2015-11-22T05:00:08 < upgrdman> jesus fuck man
2015-11-22T05:00:49 < upgrdman> you could start by bundling up each cord so it just long enough to reach the outlet (plus some slack)
2015-11-22T05:01:14 < upgrdman> and you could not position your electronics on the floor.
2015-11-22T05:01:44 < upgrdman> dust is great of clogging shit up and causing heat problems. gravity isn't your friend in this regard.
2015-11-22T05:04:12 < jadew> yeah, I have to dust rather often
2015-11-22T05:04:34 < jadew> I guess that's a good idea, to shorten the cables
2015-11-22T05:04:53 < jadew> but they'd still be laying around
2015-11-22T05:13:29 < upgrdman> jadew, this is an old photo of my setup. i like have a BIG power bar mounted on my wall. keeps the clutter to a minimum: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/new_meter.jpg
2015-11-22T05:13:50 < jadew> I remember that photo
2015-11-22T05:14:00 < jadew> where did you get that power bar from?
2015-11-22T05:14:12 < jadew> I bought outlets but I don't have the bar :/
2015-11-22T05:14:35 < jadew> I figured I can hack something up, but can't find something of the proper material
2015-11-22T05:14:45 < upgrdman> jadew, Frys. but they're everywhere.
2015-11-22T05:15:18 < jadew> not where I've been looking :)
2015-11-22T05:15:41 < jadew> and I need some shelves too...
2015-11-22T05:15:47 < jadew> right now I stack everything I can stack
2015-11-22T05:16:06 < upgrdman> this is way overpriced, but first result i found  http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Outlet-Cabinet-PS3612/dp/B00005115S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448162131&sr=8-1&keywords=long+power+bar
2015-11-22T05:16:13 < upgrdman> i think i paid $15-20 for mine
2015-11-22T05:16:17 < ReadError> lol you got a macbook and installed lunix?
2015-11-22T05:16:31 < jadew> that's super cheap
2015-11-22T05:16:39 < jadew> I paid a lot for those outlets
2015-11-22T05:17:46 < upgrdman> still overprice here  http://www.frys.com/product/5879103?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
2015-11-22T05:18:22 < upgrdman> ReadError, i got the macbook for the display. i liked the display. the rest was tolerable. including os x.
2015-11-22T05:18:34 < upgrdman> atm im running windows 10 on that macbook pro
2015-11-22T05:18:44 < upgrdman> and use lunix in a VM
2015-11-22T05:18:51 < upgrdman> lunix was also in a VM in that photo
2015-11-22T05:19:15 < upgrdman> soon i'll be getting the surface bro 4 + cocking station.
2015-11-22T05:19:23 < upgrdman> and this fagbook pro will be off to ebay
2015-11-22T05:20:03 < upgrdman> lolol jadew:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-OUTLET-48-inch-LONG-RACK-MOUNT-POWER-STRIP-POWERBAR-PDU-LIFETIME-WARRANTY-/371465450259?hash=item567d10f313:g:8oIAAOxydlFSp3lY
2015-11-22T05:20:38 < jadew> that looks useful
2015-11-22T05:20:51 < jadew> but I'd need more
2015-11-22T05:21:01 < jadew> I have more than 24 things plugged in :/
2015-11-22T05:21:33 < upgrdman> get like 2, wall mount them, done.
2015-11-22T05:21:43 < upgrdman> also: make sure your wiring can handle it :)
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2015-11-22T05:40:16 < jadew> upgrdman, I don't use a lot of power
2015-11-22T05:40:31 < jadew> less than 1 kW for sure
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2015-11-22T05:58:45 < jadew> until now I thought this is normal
2015-11-22T05:59:11 < jadew> the cables under my desk
2015-11-22T05:59:22 < jadew> I'm trying to sort them out now
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2015-11-22T05:59:29 < jadew> don't really know what to do
2015-11-22T05:59:49 < jadew> I also want them off of the ground, in case of a flood
2015-11-22T06:01:29 < jadew> I should have taken a picture of the lab before I cleaned and organized everything
2015-11-22T06:01:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, sticky kybd?
2015-11-22T06:01:42 < jadew> get a mechanical one
2015-11-22T06:01:47 < upgrdman> too much splooge?
2015-11-22T06:01:52 < jadew> jizz & keyboards don't mix
2015-11-22T06:01:59 < upgrdman> cum
2015-11-22T06:02:15 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-22T06:02:36 < upgrdman> sorry bro. forgive me.
2015-11-22T06:02:37 < jadew> what keyboard is it?
2015-11-22T06:03:21 < upgrdman> jadew, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard#/media/File:Space-cadet.jpg
2015-11-22T06:04:12 < jadew> R2COM, solar powered? :)
2015-11-22T06:04:52 < jadew> that's why you need a mechanical keyboard
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2015-11-22T06:05:03 < jadew> a key dies - you replace it
2015-11-22T06:05:07 < jadew> they're not heavy
2015-11-22T06:05:18 < jadew> they're super easy to press
2015-11-22T06:05:27 < jadew> yeah, it feels amazing
2015-11-22T06:05:27 < ReadError> reds are easy to press but suck
2015-11-22T06:05:31 < ReadError> i like blues
2015-11-22T06:05:36 < upgrdman> im a cherry blue man
2015-11-22T06:05:38 < jadew> I have mx browns
2015-11-22T06:06:02 < ReadError> ya have some brown boards but i like the little pre-spring on blue
2015-11-22T06:06:04 < jadew> R2COM, me too, that was the tradeoff for me too, but it's totally worth it
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2015-11-22T06:06:31 < jadew> ReadError, I went for the browns because they make the less noise
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2015-11-22T06:06:49 < jadew> R2COM, a mechanical kb will last you a decade if not more
2015-11-22T06:07:03 < jadew> and it will always feel great
2015-11-22T06:07:27 < ReadError> once you switch you wont go back
2015-11-22T06:07:37 < ReadError> pffttt fail gtfo
2015-11-22T06:07:57 < ReadError> theres hundreds of them
2015-11-22T06:08:11 < jadew> R2COM, if by any chance it fails, you can just replace the switch that failed
2015-11-22T06:08:12 < upgrdman> i like my Das Keyboard
2015-11-22T06:08:15 < ReadError> different iterations of each
2015-11-22T06:08:20 < upgrdman> and it even has a usb3 hub built in
2015-11-22T06:08:42 < jadew> R2COM, I have this one: https://www.getdigital.de/images/produkte/t4/t4_Leopold_Keyboards_beschriftet_totale.jpg
2015-11-22T06:08:57 < jadew> Leopold FC500RT
2015-11-22T06:09:19 < jadew> and?
2015-11-22T06:09:25 < PeterM> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Cherry%20PDFs/MX%20Series.pdf
2015-11-22T06:09:26 < jadew> ...
2015-11-22T06:10:08 < jadew> on which one?
2015-11-22T06:10:59 < jadew> most rubber dome kb's won't last more than a couple of years anyway
2015-11-22T06:10:59 < PeterM> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kmac-2
2015-11-22T06:11:10 < jadew> I don't think you even have to abuse them for them to get sticky
2015-11-22T06:11:27 < jadew> I never had one that lasted more than a few years
2015-11-22T06:11:45 < jadew> my kb is 4 years + and it still works like in the first day
2015-11-22T06:12:11 < jadew> I'm a programmer
2015-11-22T06:12:16 < ReadError> yea if you had cherry switches it wouldnt fail at all
2015-11-22T06:12:20 < jadew> I doubt you stressed it more than I did
2015-11-22T06:12:25 < ReadError> they are rated for like 10mil strokes
2015-11-22T06:12:29 < ReadError> or something crazy
2015-11-22T06:12:48 < jadew> I write a LOT
2015-11-22T06:13:08 < jadew> oh, I also threw it off on plenty of occasions
2015-11-22T06:13:11 < jadew> broke the PCB
2015-11-22T06:13:17 < jadew> stiched it back with 1 wire
2015-11-22T06:13:26 < jadew> good as new!
2015-11-22T06:13:49 < ReadError> I like 10keyless too
2015-11-22T06:13:59 < ReadError> feels more ergo
2015-11-22T06:14:14 < upgrdman> 10keyless == worse than hitler
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2015-11-22T06:15:00 < jadew> I don't know... it's logitech
2015-11-22T06:15:04 < jadew> I don't really like them
2015-11-22T06:15:24 < ReadError> upgrdman i have a wireless keypad for altium
2015-11-22T06:15:35 < ReadError> actually like it better since i can use my left hand
2015-11-22T06:15:40 < upgrdman> k
2015-11-22T06:15:53 < jadew> R2COM, even if it was mechanical, you'd know you can get a better deal from someone else
2015-11-22T06:16:42 < PeterM> R2COM, ive got one, its not that ergonomic
2015-11-22T06:17:03 < PeterM> if you want something liek that but mroe comfortable get a belkin n52/ razer nostromo
2015-11-22T06:18:41 < jadew> R2COM, did you get worms reloaded yet?
2015-11-22T06:19:05 < PeterM> more buttons =! better
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2015-11-22T06:51:37 < upgrdman> R2COM, you need one of these:  http://1000words1000days.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JapaneseKeyboard.jpg
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2015-11-22T07:39:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hjpct4f.jpg
2015-11-22T07:40:53 < ReadError> how are stencils normally handled, does the place making them have the ability to shrink pads from copper gerber
2015-11-22T07:41:06 < ReadError> or should i 'repanel' shit in altium and handle it with rules
2015-11-22T07:44:56 < PeterM> ReadError, most places will be able to do it for you - you give then the soldermask layer and they can shrink the cutouts the appropriate amount for the stencil thickness. that said, it is best to learn and do it yourself, use mfg recommendations for paste layouts and shit
2015-11-22T07:45:43 < ReadError> yea im gonna repanel in altium I think, then I can do either way I suppose
2015-11-22T07:46:18 < dongs> i generally just tell the people what to do with pads if theres anty special requirements
2015-11-22T07:46:25 < dongs> and mspaint if its something very complex
2015-11-22T07:46:27 < dongs> otherwise fuckit
2015-11-22T07:46:47 < ReadError> and just give them the gerbs that were panelized by the pcb mfg?
2015-11-22T07:46:58 < dongs> arraying in altidong is dumb unless you know routing/vcut tolerances and shit
2015-11-22T07:47:14 < dongs> chances are youill fuck up and be a few mils off, and your stencil will be trash
2015-11-22T07:47:20 < ReadError> yea, the korean is much better than my attempt
2015-11-22T07:47:42 < ReadError> so he gave me the gerbers back panelized now i need to edit some shit out for a stencil
2015-11-22T07:47:54 < dongs> if theres any special requiremnts i give the array gerber and single altidong .paste layer.
2015-11-22T07:51:57 < ReadError> i guess I would need to make the panel in altium anyways to generate pcb assembly stuff anyways
2015-11-22T07:54:48 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/KL2lq3j.png
2015-11-22T08:06:04 < dongs> readstoner the non-pro cloner
2015-11-22T08:17:03 < ReadError> i got this
2015-11-22T08:19:55 < ReadError> not being able to save rules profiles or copy/pasting them is a PITA though
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2015-11-22T09:18:13 < upgrdman> anyone know of a quality eye loupe that is at least 30x? so many cheap ones are out there, with shit plastic optics.
2015-11-22T09:19:11 < upgrdman> (or some other quick way to inspect PCBs up close, quickly, and without electronics)
2015-11-22T09:27:54 < PeterM> upgrdman, protip dont search for jewlers loupe youll just get china trash, look for watchmakers loupe
2015-11-22T09:28:08 < upgrdman> ahh thanks
2015-11-22T09:29:02 < PeterM> also, loupes above 10x are pretty rare, but the common sizes above 10 are 12x and 22x
2015-11-22T09:30:15 < PeterM> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40690-REG/Peak_1301964_22x_Loupe.html
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2015-11-22T09:36:04 < upgrdman> how might i check the true magnification of my china loupe? does 30x mean that when the loupe is in focus, 1mm of the subject will be 30mm wide at the surface of the loupe?
2015-11-22T09:36:52 < PeterM> yeah
2015-11-22T09:39:25 < jadew> yeah
2015-11-22T09:39:30 < jadew> and why don't you get a microscope?
2015-11-22T09:40:02 < upgrdman> well i can use my SLR + macro lense + tripod for that.
2015-11-22T09:40:02 < jadew> you can't beat a stereo microscope for PCB inspection
2015-11-22T09:40:02 < upgrdman> but
2015-11-22T09:40:10 < upgrdman> i want something portable
2015-11-22T09:40:17 < jadew> ah
2015-11-22T09:40:37 < upgrdman> because it's going to be with me with i have to work in some 3rd world shit hole
2015-11-22T09:40:49 < upgrdman> and then come with me to the first world, etc.
2015-11-22T09:41:14 < ReadError> usb scope + surface?
2015-11-22T09:41:51 < PeterM> there are some pretty reasonable mobile phone macro lenses
2015-11-22T09:42:06 < jadew> the problem I see with a simple loupe is that you'll need good lighting
2015-11-22T09:42:14 < jadew> right, that too
2015-11-22T09:42:24 < jadew> my phone does some awesome macro by itself
2015-11-22T09:42:31 < jadew> and its camera sucks
2015-11-22T09:43:10 < upgrdman> i want to easily see solder defects of LQFPs, QFNs, etc.
2015-11-22T09:43:33 < upgrdman> so if using my phone, it would also need a telephoto lense aside from just macro
2015-11-22T09:44:13 < upgrdman> *gaymers
2015-11-22T09:44:32 < jadew> upgrdman, well, you can't do that under a loupe either
2015-11-22T09:44:44 < jadew> the ones with that kind of magnification will have to stay on the PCB
2015-11-22T09:44:53 < jadew> your face will be only a few cm away
2015-11-22T09:45:09 < upgrdman> i do it all the time with my chine shit "30x" loupe
2015-11-22T09:45:32 < upgrdman> i just want less chromatic abberation and a lense that doesn't come factory scratched.
2015-11-22T09:45:51 < jadew> lol
2015-11-22T09:57:45 < upgrdman> my "30x" china loupe measures to be more like 5x. lol
2015-11-22T09:58:00 < upgrdman> if that peak 22x loupe is really 22x i might wet myself.
2015-11-22T09:58:49 < upgrdman> mine too.
2015-11-22T09:59:01 < upgrdman> and the optics are decided dollar shop too.
2015-11-22T09:59:14 < upgrdman> yes
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2015-11-22T10:10:20 < jadew> night
2015-11-22T10:38:06 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/2/9240199/toshiba-satellite-radius-12-4k-laptop
2015-11-22T10:38:07 < dongs> whoa
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2015-11-22T10:44:35 < dongs> The other issue is that while plugged in, their seems to be some stray voltage. if you touch the case or anything around the keyboard, you can feel electric current running through it. I have seen this issue with other laptops as well. When not plugged in, it is fine.
2015-11-22T10:44:40 < dongs> lol.
2015-11-22T10:47:01 < PeterM> that would be  the emi/rfi supression caps probably
2015-11-22T10:48:40 < dongs> hm
2015-11-22T10:50:13 < dongs> that toshiba looks pretty good
2015-11-22T10:50:20 < dongs> cheaper than bro4, too
2015-11-22T10:50:36 < dongs> cant find the fuckign thing on toshiba site
2015-11-22T10:50:36 < Roklobotomy> i7u is weak surely
2015-11-22T10:50:46 < dongs> oh?
2015-11-22T10:50:49 < dongs> is there a fucking difference?
2015-11-22T10:51:00 < dongs> fucking intel
2015-11-22T10:51:07 < Roklobotomy> yeah i7 ain't i7
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2015-11-22T10:51:46 < ReadError> 8gb max ?
2015-11-22T10:51:50 < dongs> but i think plenty for chatting
2015-11-22T10:52:15 < Roklobotomy> http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-6700HQ-vs-Intel-6500U
2015-11-22T10:52:15 < dongs>  i7-6500U
2015-11-22T10:52:17 < Roklobotomy> true
2015-11-22T10:52:18 < PeterM> cmon like 3gb on phone is plenty for  chats
2015-11-22T10:52:33 < Roklobotomy> U runs cold, HQ runs hot butit has 2x the cores.
2015-11-22T10:52:53 < dongs> bro4 is  i7-6650U
2015-11-22T10:52:55 < ReadError> kakimir's laptop is 0.9ghz ^.^
2015-11-22T10:53:18 < PeterM> kakimir's laptop is fucking hand crank
2015-11-22T10:53:22 < Roklobotomy> a few more Hz than 6500U
2015-11-22T10:53:53 < Roklobotomy> Just saying, if you are expecting i7 beefcake it's not there.
2015-11-22T10:54:05 < dongs> lol, neither is on bro4
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2015-11-22T10:54:27 < Roklobotomy> Altium will still run like a dog on 6700HQ
2015-11-22T10:54:36 < dongs> altium runs fine on my bro3
2015-11-22T10:55:18 < PeterM> altium runs fine on my fucking i7-740qm
2015-11-22T10:55:39 < dongs> is black friday over
2015-11-22T10:55:48 < PeterM> are they all dead?
2015-11-22T10:55:58 < Roklobotomy> surely it must be saturday my now in hawaii
2015-11-22T10:56:40 < ReadError> black friday is still a week away almost
2015-11-22T10:57:35 < dongs> oh is that nxt week?
2015-11-22T10:57:41 < ReadError> this friday
2015-11-22T10:57:58 < ReadError> then the 30th is cyber monday
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2015-11-22T11:16:29 < upgrdman> http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/a-funny-christmas-gifts.jpg
2015-11-22T11:26:05 < dongs> Shunichi about 3 hours ago
2015-11-22T11:26:05 < dongs> Processing was added, and the shown demo movie was forged.
2015-11-22T11:26:05 < dongs> bbc which visited the company in August confirmed that it cannot fly normally (completeness is clearly low).
2015-11-22T11:26:08 < dongs> Thus, it is agreement violation of kickstarter and is clear fraud.
2015-11-22T11:26:10 < dongs> raged japs
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2015-11-22T11:31:24 < dongs> http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/2-die-in-japan-helicopter-crash
2015-11-22T11:33:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VkxRyAT.jpg
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2015-11-22T11:45:37 < dongs> http://zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=188#p1357
2015-11-22T11:46:34 < Roklobotomy> dongs did you see "Fano"?
2015-11-22T11:46:38 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-22T11:46:42 < dongs> dumbv troll
2015-11-22T11:49:56 < kakimir> why dont they design new zano
2015-11-22T11:50:15 < dongs> i found the perfect chip for it
2015-11-22T11:52:47 < dongs> HI3518E
2015-11-22T11:53:02 < dongs> http://support.hkvstar.com/file/Hi3518E.pdf
2015-11-22T11:53:03 < dongs> check that out
2015-11-22T11:56:55 < ReadError> Roklobotomy, what is fano?
2015-11-22T11:57:03 < dongs> ReadError: fanless zano
2015-11-22T11:57:14 < ReadError> turn unusable zanos into desktop fans?
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2015-11-22T12:01:06 < jubatus> did anyone look at zano firmware to see if they really handcoded everything and didn't just run multiwee or whatever ?
2015-11-22T12:05:46 < dongs> jubatus: its encrypted
2015-11-22T12:05:53 < dongs> i grabbed all firwmares before they went down
2015-11-22T12:09:39 < dongs> there's a bootloader-ish thing wiht some clear code
2015-11-22T12:09:44 < dongs> but that one is XOR-encrypted or so
2015-11-22T12:10:02 < dongs> entropy is that of executable code, but instructions dont match anything that would be mips32
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2015-11-22T16:15:57 < Rob235> mornin'
2015-11-22T16:21:36 < Steffanx> ugt?
2015-11-22T16:22:19 < Fleck> yep
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2015-11-22T16:52:12 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://hackaday.com/2015/11/22/who-is-john-galt-finally-answered/
2015-11-22T16:52:31 < Laurenceb> expected to get trolld, dissapoint
2015-11-22T17:18:59 < Steffanx> poor harry
2015-11-22T17:19:46 < Steffanx> self-trolled
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2015-11-22T18:27:07 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/12244237_10153048329070882_7512190696426795484_o.jpg
2015-11-22T18:27:10 < dongs> zano mastermind
2015-11-22T18:27:50 < dongs> hey thats an aoyue soldering station
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2015-11-22T18:30:49 < Getty> so many zanos! thousands!
2015-11-22T18:32:02 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2015-11-22T18:33:22 < Getty> flying fail!
2015-11-22T18:33:27 < Getty> :-D
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2015-11-22T19:02:10 < jubatus> the zano caterpillar
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2015-11-22T19:20:19 < Steffanx> no proof for photoshop yet dongs?
2015-11-22T19:21:19 < mitrax> photoshop on which picture?
2015-11-22T19:21:36 < Steffanx> All of them. The entire zano scam
2015-11-22T19:21:55 < mitrax> it's not a scam
2015-11-22T19:22:14 < mitrax> just an idiot out of his depth who convinced other idiots, and 12000 backers
2015-11-22T19:23:23 < Getty> yeah thats the sad part ;)
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2015-11-22T19:23:31 < Steffanx> Its funny.
2015-11-22T19:23:39 < BrainDamage> so the difference between a scam and an idiocy is whenever you believe yourself the bullshit
2015-11-22T19:23:42 < Getty> if it would be at least a real scam, then it would make sense!
2015-11-22T19:24:16 < Getty> BrainDamage: well from the outside, yes, the other difference is the timewaste on the inside ;-)
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2015-11-22T19:24:39 < Getty> BrainDamage: if it would be a scam they would be on an island and just drink cocktail while faking progress reports
2015-11-22T19:24:49 < Getty> but they ACTUALLY WORKED ;-)
2015-11-22T19:25:11 < Steffanx> It didnt work.
2015-11-22T19:25:16 < Getty> no no THEY worked
2015-11-22T19:25:19 < Getty> not it worked ;)
2015-11-22T19:25:29 < Getty> i mean the employees of zano ;)
2015-11-22T19:25:35 < Steffanx> Also the entire promotion video was fake => scam
2015-11-22T19:25:54 < Getty> well they did said they have no prototype so its legit to show a promotion video that shows the target
2015-11-22T19:25:57 < Steffanx> anyway, enough about zano
2015-11-22T19:25:58 < mitrax> Steffanx: yup, but i'm convinced they believed their own bullshit
2015-11-22T19:26:05 < Getty> yeah
2015-11-22T19:27:10 < Steffanx> Yeah, perhaps... all convinced by mr ivan.
2015-11-22T19:27:29 < Getty> some people are REALLY good at this
2015-11-22T19:27:30 < mitrax> SteffanX: yup, the rest of the crew trusted Ivan... he seems super confident when he spits bullshit, anyone non-expert can get fooled
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2015-11-22T19:29:33 < mitrax> hell... it's like those people whose lives are 100% fake
2015-11-22T19:30:06 < mitrax> in france there was a guy who pretented to be a MD / surgeon, for 10 years, he lied to his own family all that time
2015-11-22T19:30:29 < Getty> its somehow a bit funny..... to make a groundbreaking success you need to go outside of the line, and believe in something noone ever believed in before
2015-11-22T19:30:37 < Getty> but exactly the same is valid for a groundbreaking failure ;-))))
2015-11-22T19:30:39 < mitrax> he made money by "advising" relatives and friends with investment
2015-11-22T19:30:59 < mitrax> i.e pocketed their money claiming he would invest it wisely
2015-11-22T19:30:59 < kakimir> I need to choose lunix for virtual machine
2015-11-22T19:31:17 < Getty> mitrax: we had a fake surgeon who actually worked as such for 9 years before it came out......
2015-11-22T19:31:41 < ReadError> didnt kill anyone before then?
2015-11-22T19:31:43 < mitrax> when he would get to "work" he was really driving into a parking lot and stay there all day, and come back home to his wife and kid, and make up stories about what happened
2015-11-22T19:32:10 < Getty> i dont remember the details in the article, but i dont recall that he was found cause of inability ;)
2015-11-22T19:32:13 < mitrax> then we someone figured out, he killed all his relatives, wife, kids, parents
2015-11-22T19:32:20 < mitrax> err when someone
2015-11-22T19:32:34 < Getty> hahaha
2015-11-22T19:32:42 < mitrax> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Romand
2015-11-22T19:34:55 < mitrax> nevermind, he was supposed to be MD and researcher not surgeon, but anyway, he fooled a lot of people for 18 years
2015-11-22T19:36:12 < Getty> i am confused, the facebook page is still up
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2015-11-22T19:36:30 < mitrax> flyzano?
2015-11-22T19:36:33 < Getty> yeah
2015-11-22T19:36:47 < Getty> still people posting complains
2015-11-22T19:37:25 < tecdroid> hi there
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2015-11-22T19:38:09 < mitrax> bah they'll close it eventually, maybe they kept it online to see if people are taking legal actions
2015-11-22T19:38:23 < mitrax> they seem to watching zanoforum.com too
2015-11-22T19:38:32 < Getty> so canada mastercard says they can make full refund
2015-11-22T19:38:56 < Getty> interesting, wouldnt have expected they take that out of the fraud pod
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2015-11-22T20:19:59 < kakimir> projects guys?=
2015-11-22T20:22:07 < ReadError> clean ur room
2015-11-22T20:22:48 < kakimir> why
2015-11-22T20:23:30 < kakimir> why you say that
2015-11-22T20:24:10 < ReadError> idk thought you were looking for things to do
2015-11-22T20:25:40 < ReadError> im working on dicknplace
2015-11-22T20:26:56 < kakimir> there is a mess
2015-11-22T20:26:59 < kakimir> room
2015-11-22T20:27:02 < kakimir> projects
2015-11-22T20:27:07 < kakimir> oven
2015-11-22T20:27:17 < kakimir> computer mess
2015-11-22T20:27:28 < kakimir> rc planes mess
2015-11-22T20:27:35 < kakimir> clothes mess
2015-11-22T20:27:44 < kakimir> life
2015-11-22T20:29:41 < kakimir> but what I was asking was some inspiration to suck into myself
2015-11-22T20:29:55 < ReadError> go adopt a kitten
2015-11-22T20:30:19 < ReadError> then spend time making cat gifs
2015-11-22T20:33:58 < kakimir> that is quite nice plan
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2015-11-22T20:40:13 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/ESEXcE3.jpg
2015-11-22T20:41:27 < Rob235> I've lost my motivation
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2015-11-22T20:41:56 < upgrdman> so i found a great way to remove hard water deposits from my shower's glass doors. fuming hydrachloric acid. no joke. wipes that shit right off. the fumes, though...
2015-11-22T20:41:58 < Fleck> many of us have Rob235
2015-11-22T20:42:33 < Steffanx> No cillit bang upgrdman?
2015-11-22T20:42:46 < Steffanx> ( or Easy-Off Bam or Easy-Off Bang)
2015-11-22T20:43:46 < upgrdman> never tried it
2015-11-22T20:43:53 < upgrdman> easy off is NaOH, right?
2015-11-22T20:43:59 < zyp> I miss having motivation
2015-11-22T20:44:25 < Steffanx> Money is not a motivator?
2015-11-22T20:44:28 < zyp> like when I first got into quadrotors years ago
2015-11-22T20:44:38 < Rob235> this is a personal project, not work
2015-11-22T20:44:50 < zyp> get parts, slap something together, go crash it, rework it and repeat
2015-11-22T20:45:06 < zyp> yeah, hobby stuff is what I mean
2015-11-22T20:45:18 < Rob235> some days I'll work 8-10 hours straight, worked 20 straight one time. just cant focus and dont want to right now but I want to want to :/
2015-11-22T20:45:37 < Steffanx> Winter depression related?
2015-11-22T20:45:46 < Fleck> ;p
2015-11-22T20:45:54 < Rob235> nah just feeling lazy
2015-11-22T20:46:05 < Steffanx> then its time for some gaming
2015-11-22T20:46:13 < zyp> nah, I've been out of motivation for years
2015-11-22T20:46:23 < Rob235> I'm out of weed too...
2015-11-22T20:46:28 < kakimir> upgrdman: dont breathe that shiet
2015-11-22T20:46:29 < Rob235> maybe thats the reason hah
2015-11-22T20:46:40 < Steffanx> hmm, aren't you from yankeeland?
2015-11-22T20:46:51 < Rob235> i admit nothing!
2015-11-22T20:47:18 < upgrdman> kakimir, i know. and i couldn't if i wanted to anyway. burns.
2015-11-22T20:47:18 < ReadError> out of weed, thats when you should be more productive
2015-11-22T20:47:30 < kakimir> you also black Rob235?
2015-11-22T20:47:38 < Rob235> ... no
2015-11-22T20:47:47 < ReadError> kakimir, black people dont use irc
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2015-11-22T20:47:52 < Steffanx> Black people aren't called "rob"
2015-11-22T20:47:52 < ReadError> well maybe 5 total
2015-11-22T20:48:00 < kakimir> sometimes
2015-11-22T20:48:03 < kakimir> they do
2015-11-22T20:48:15 < zyp> Steffanx, for black persons, rob is not a name but a verb?
2015-11-22T20:48:32 < ReadError> haha
2015-11-22T20:48:38 < Rob235> haha thats horrible
2015-11-22T20:48:39 < Steffanx> :D
2015-11-22T20:49:25 < Steffanx> Such racism
2015-11-22T20:49:49 < ReadError> ya racist dont use irc either!
2015-11-22T20:50:29 < Steffanx> kakimir movie for you http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt5065822/
2015-11-22T20:51:46 < Steffanx> or more related http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt3316948/
2015-11-22T20:51:53 < Steffanx> * related to ##stm32
2015-11-22T20:53:29 < Rob235> wtf, never heard of this movie but theres a lot of known people in it, although I hate kristen stewart
2015-11-22T20:54:06 < mitrax> talking about loss of motivation... how old are you guys?
2015-11-22T20:54:14 < Rob235> 31
2015-11-22T20:55:55 < zyp> 27
2015-11-22T20:56:24 < upgrdman> 29
2015-11-22T20:56:39 < Steffanx> 12
2015-11-22T20:56:43 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-22T20:56:55 < Fleck> 9
2015-11-22T20:57:07 < Steffanx> Such youngster and still on irc.
2015-11-22T20:57:10 < Steffanx> *s
2015-11-22T20:57:32 < Rob235> I feel old
2015-11-22T20:57:44 < mitrax> Rob235: you shouldn't, i'm 38 :(
2015-11-22T20:58:53 < Steffanx> anyway, im what i just said +13
2015-11-22T20:58:58 < mitrax> i miss when i was 20ish... Young and arrogant :p
2015-11-22T20:59:15 < mitrax> i noticed that the less you know, the more motivated you are
2015-11-22T20:59:17 < Rob235> anyone try soylent?
2015-11-22T20:59:32 < Steffanx> no thanks Rob235
2015-11-22T20:59:53 < Fleck> why is that mitrax?
2015-11-22T21:00:59 < zyp> Rob235, I've tried joylent
2015-11-22T21:01:24 < mitrax> Fleck: i think it's about self confidence, the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know all that much an that there are smarter people out there, better than you... not that thinking i knew it all was the primary motiviation but, i wasn't afraid of failure
2015-11-22T21:01:55 < Steffanx> Just dont publish or talk about it and there is no need to be afraid mr mitrax
2015-11-22T21:02:01 < Rob235> I have soylent throughout the day and eat a real dinner.  I always skip breakfast and sometimes lunch so it's just easier.  The taste is rough but growing on me.  I gotta find something to mix with it
2015-11-22T21:03:21 < ReadError> why not just drink some brotien power and oats
2015-11-22T21:03:22 < Steffanx> skip lunch..
2015-11-22T21:03:22 < mitrax> Steffanx: oh it's not even about being afraid to be judged by peers, but rather not being happy with what i produce...
2015-11-22T21:03:32 < ReadError> lunch is my fav meal of the day ;(
2015-11-22T21:03:33 < zyp> ReadError, that's what soylent is
2015-11-22T21:03:44 < kakimir> Steffanx: american ultra was nice
2015-11-22T21:04:07 < kakimir> mitrax: i miss when I get 30
2015-11-22T21:04:19 < Steffanx> so how young is kakimir?
2015-11-22T21:04:20 < kakimir> be 30 and arrogant would be nice
2015-11-22T21:04:44 < kakimir> 25
2015-11-22T21:04:52 < kakimir> the best age they say
2015-11-22T21:04:56 < ReadError> I hope to be as pro as dongs when im 13
2015-11-22T21:05:24 < Steffanx> i can't tell. Im not past 25 yet kakimir :)
2015-11-22T21:05:37 < kakimir> so if I want good virtualization performance
2015-11-22T21:05:43 < mitrax> kakimir: don't get me wrong, i didn't mean young people are necessarily arrogant, just that *i* was a bit cocky 15 years ago, and certainly more motivated than now
2015-11-22T21:05:49 < kakimir> I need to use paravirtualization stuff
2015-11-22T21:05:51 < kakimir> ?
2015-11-22T21:06:10 < Rob235> I started with stm32 exactly a month ago
2015-11-22T21:06:14 < zyp> Rob235, I think joylent tastes ok, just pretty fucking boring
2015-11-22T21:06:46 < Rob235> yea apparently thats the point so you dont get sick of the flavor and can mix it easily with other things but its more work :)
2015-11-22T21:07:07 < zyp> soylent is tasteless, is that so?
2015-11-22T21:07:11 < ReadError> is joylent like knockoff soylent?
2015-11-22T21:07:13 < Rob235> its kinda nutty
2015-11-22T21:07:28 < zyp> ReadError, yeah, different recipe, EU company
2015-11-22T21:07:29 < kakimir> at 20 I was 100% dreamer
2015-11-22T21:07:38 < zyp> I don't think soylent ships to EU
2015-11-22T21:07:42 < kakimir> I didn't work out
2015-11-22T21:08:06 < kakimir> it
2015-11-22T21:08:21 < BrainDamage> is soylent the thing made of people, or is this another type of soylent?
2015-11-22T21:08:33 < mitrax> yeah i was thinking soylent green
2015-11-22T21:08:36 < zyp> Rob235, joylent comes in different flavors
2015-11-22T21:08:43 < mitrax> like the movie
2015-11-22T21:08:50 < zyp> strawberry is best, but I have some banana as well to mix it up a bit
2015-11-22T21:08:59 < zyp> chocolate is awful
2015-11-22T21:09:27 < Rob235> they named it after the movie
2015-11-22T21:09:53 < zyp> but I like it
2015-11-22T21:10:11 < zyp> it's perfect for when I don't care to actually make anything
2015-11-22T21:10:15 < Rob235> its powder (although now they have it premixed with water) that you mix and supposedly has all the nutrients your body needs
2015-11-22T21:10:29 < Rob235> less than $10 a day for 2000 calories
2015-11-22T21:10:29 < mitrax> that shit is expensive
2015-11-22T21:10:36 < Rob235> not really if you think about it
2015-11-22T21:10:56 < BrainDamage> sounds useful for backpacking or travel
2015-11-22T21:11:04 < BrainDamage> and lazy days i guess
2015-11-22T21:11:12 < zyp> joylent is way cheaper than any sort of take out over here
2015-11-22T21:11:38 < mitrax> i wouldn't call that "food"
2015-11-22T21:11:45 < zyp> and it doesn't go bad as fast as other groceries
2015-11-22T21:12:06 < Rob235> I'm not a big eater, especially if I am motivated and become obsessive with a project.  and I appreciate real meals so much more :)
2015-11-22T21:12:13 < zyp> same
2015-11-22T21:13:38 < BrainDamage> is it sold in brick and mortar or do you have to order online? i think i never saw it here
2015-11-22T21:13:48 < Rob235> order
2015-11-22T21:15:32 < ReadError> it just looks disgusting
2015-11-22T21:15:36 < Rob235> 2.0 comes premixed in bottles and I think I saw they have a shelf life of a year.  the powder 1.5 which I have because its cheaper will last 2 days in the fridge after its made
2015-11-22T21:15:46 < ReadError> rather take some whey & oats
2015-11-22T21:15:57 < ReadError> or food ;(
2015-11-22T21:16:08 < mitrax> cooking relaxes me
2015-11-22T21:16:28 < ReadError> yea taking stuff out of the freezer, putting it in the microwave and hitting that button
2015-11-22T21:16:33 < ReadError> satisfaction for me
2015-11-22T21:16:39 < zyp> ReadError, joylent is mainly powdered wheat and oats
2015-11-22T21:16:41 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-22T21:17:01 < mitrax> i meant actual cooking, with raw ingredients, spices and shit
2015-11-22T21:17:03 < zyp> ReadError, so what's the difference really?
2015-11-22T21:17:06 < Rob235> you know whats really good and easy to make? those skillet sensation things
2015-11-22T21:17:18 < ReadError> zyp, ehh i duno, ive never tried it
2015-11-22T21:17:22 < ReadError> only seen pictures
2015-11-22T21:18:07 < zyp> my first experience with joylent was «wow, this tastes just like oatmeal with strawberry»
2015-11-22T21:18:20 < BrainDamage> is it impossible to mix like protein powder?
2015-11-22T21:18:30 < zyp> BrainDamage, what do you mean?
2015-11-22T21:18:59 < BrainDamage> generally forms clumps with biofilm which requires energic stirring to break
2015-11-22T21:19:02 < ReadError> BrainDamage, good powder will mix
2015-11-22T21:19:02 < Rob235> BrainDamage: no
2015-11-22T21:19:09 < Rob235> it mixes really well, I was surprised
2015-11-22T21:19:13 < ReadError> optimum nutrition
2015-11-22T21:19:16 < ReadError> w/ a blenderbottle
2015-11-22T21:19:21 < Rob235> it can be a tiny bit gritty but no clumps or anything like that
2015-11-22T21:19:34 < ReadError> the milk chocolate stuff is <3
2015-11-22T21:19:40 < zyp> what Rob235 said
2015-11-22T21:20:25 < zyp> I don't have any experience with protein powder, but I think joylent is like one third proteins, so I wouldn't expect it to be very different
2015-11-22T21:20:49 < Rob235> ive had problems with protein powders in the past, soylent doesn't have those problems
2015-11-22T21:23:21 < Rob235> I don't even use a blender or blender bottle, just the 2 quart pitcher that comes with your first order
2015-11-22T21:26:07 < BrainDamage> i was mostly wondering for biking, i'd carry the powder and use the water, and i'd have no complex stuff to mix other than the regular bike water bottles
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2015-11-22T21:31:00 < Rob235> might be messy and room temp water works better than cold but yea it will work
2015-11-22T21:32:02 < Rob235> I gotta start making it at night so that its cool and ready for when I'm hungry.  I make the mistake of only making it when I get hungry and then I have to wait for it to cool down
2015-11-22T21:32:30 < Rob235> its a lot better cold...
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2015-11-22T21:35:59 < Rob235> ok I'm talking to myself... time to try and get work done.  I have to port my 10 DOF sensor board code from arduino to stm32
2015-11-22T21:43:51 < zyp> I just make it with cold water
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2015-11-22T21:55:27 < celeron55> i just finished making a custom USB CDC/ACM stack on the stm32f0
2015-11-22T21:56:03 < celeron55> ...i guess i don't really have anything to say about it, but the hardware is kind of reasonable after all
2015-11-22T21:57:30 < celeron55> i do have a new enemy now though - the endpoint registers
2015-11-22T21:57:43 < celeron55> such a silly design
2015-11-22T21:58:33 < zyp> in what sense?
2015-11-22T21:58:35 < celeron55> not the fact that there are endpoint registers but the details of how they work
2015-11-22T21:59:12 < zyp> the mixing of tx and rx is a bit annoying, but otherwise they are fine
2015-11-22T22:00:27 < celeron55> the way they mix interrupt flags, toggleable bits and normal r/w bits is very annoying
2015-11-22T22:01:27 < zyp> why?
2015-11-22T22:01:50 < celeron55> is there a reason for why EP_TYPE isn't normal r/w field?
2015-11-22T22:02:11 < celeron55> the way you have to toggle the bits into what you want is ridiculous
2015-11-22T22:02:24 < celeron55> +a
2015-11-22T22:02:31 < zyp> hang on, let me refresh my memory
2015-11-22T22:02:42 < celeron55> wait
2015-11-22T22:02:52 < celeron55> i mean, EP_TYPE is a normal r/w field; it's the one that makes sense
2015-11-22T22:02:59 < celeron55> STAT_RX is the ridiculous field
2015-11-22T22:03:11 < zyp> yeah, that's what I also seemed to recall
2015-11-22T22:03:30 < zyp> and yes, there's a pretty good reason for that
2015-11-22T22:03:40 < zyp> it's to avoid a race condition
2015-11-22T22:05:06 < zyp> imagine you have a pair of bulk pipes, say EP1 OUT and EP1 IN
2015-11-22T22:05:47 < zyp> EP1 OUT is waiting for data, so STAT_RX is VALID, and STAT_TX is NAK because you've got nothing to send
2015-11-22T22:06:07 < zyp> then your software finishes a data packet and wants to send it
2015-11-22T22:06:28 < zyp> how would you update STAT_TX if they were normal r/w fields?
2015-11-22T22:07:47 < zyp> in other words, what would you write into STAT_RX?
2015-11-22T22:07:56 < celeron55> hmm, so it's that way because RX and TX are in the same register
2015-11-22T22:08:09 < celeron55> at least, mostly because of that
2015-11-22T22:08:59 < zyp> it's that way because there are multiple bits that can be updated by hardware between the time it takes you to read the value and write it back
2015-11-22T22:09:41 < zyp> it's the same reason interrupt status registers are usually rc_w0 or rc_w1
2015-11-22T22:10:02 < zyp> it's like that for atomicity
2015-11-22T22:10:28 < zyp> and it's not really hard to deal with the toggle registers either
2015-11-22T22:11:37 < zyp> as long as you know the bits you want to change won't change by hardware, you just write old value xor desired value
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2015-11-22T22:27:46 < celeron55> well, yeah; this was my first time programming for arm in the first place so that adds to that
2015-11-22T22:28:36 < celeron55> i guess it's fairly commonplace on these 16/32 bit things to have many kinds of stuff in a register and to only be able to write the full register at once
2015-11-22T22:31:36 < Rob235> why do stm manuals take a year to load? I should probably save the pdfs :)
2015-11-22T22:32:14 < PeterM> Rob235, because some of  them (depending on which ones) are like 30mb
2015-11-22T22:32:40 < zyp> yeah, they are pretty comprehensive
2015-11-22T22:32:51 < zyp> which is a good ting
2015-11-22T22:32:53 < Rob235> so it should only take 3 seconds :P its their servers
2015-11-22T22:33:19 < Rob235> i'll see how big it is when it finishes
2015-11-22T22:33:21 < zyp> celeron55, it varies a bit from peripheral to peripheral
2015-11-22T22:34:36 < zyp> the usb peripheral looks like it was designed for some 16-bit thing, which probably has a correspondingly small address space, so it tries to save addresses
2015-11-22T22:34:53 < celeron55> yeah it really seems to be squeezed as small as possible
2015-11-22T22:35:07 < upgrdman> found kakimir http://i.imgur.com/sVeqqor.jpg
2015-11-22T22:35:12 < zyp> if you look at the dwc_otg peripheral used in F4, you'll see it has stuff split across much more registers
2015-11-22T22:35:54 < Rob235> 24MB
2015-11-22T22:36:33 < zyp> but of course, you won't see peripherals with one register for each single bit either, that would be a lot of wasteful address decoding on the silicon level
2015-11-22T22:36:46 < PeterM> i thought kakimir was in https://www.youtube.com/user/sivijoha
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2015-11-22T22:38:31 < celeron55> generally you'd also hope that people could use pre-existing driver code for these
2015-11-22T22:38:54 < celeron55> so the cost wouldn't add up when programming
2015-11-22T22:40:11 < celeron55> it does slow you down when instead of writing a size in a 16 bit register you have to write a multiplier in some bits and then a scaled value in some bits and then use a bitmask to access yet another value in there 8)
2015-11-22T22:41:10 < celeron55> once it's done, it's done but i'm not going to pretend that too didn't take probably almost half an hour of my life in total
2015-11-22T22:44:26 < zyp> that's why there's a bunch of abstraction libraries to choose from
2015-11-22T22:45:39 < celeron55> most of them are bad or expensive though
2015-11-22T22:47:55 < zyp> might be
2015-11-22T22:48:01 < celeron55> i'm reading the F4 OTG_HS reference and yeah, basically half the bit space is [Reserved]
2015-11-22T22:48:09 < zyp> :)
2015-11-22T22:48:19 < celeron55> the contrast to this is actually kind of funny
2015-11-22T22:48:33 < zyp> that core is licensed from synopsys, so it's used in a bunch of chips
2015-11-22T22:48:33 < celeron55> the bits seems so small in here
2015-11-22T22:48:41 < zyp> there's linux and freebsd drivers for it even
2015-11-22T22:49:09 < zyp> because it's used in stuff larger than stm32
2015-11-22T22:49:38 < zyp> actually, it's the same that's used in the chip on raspberry pi
2015-11-22T22:53:23 < celeron55> there's one 32-bit register dedicated to solely the interrupts of a single output side of an endpoint
2015-11-22T22:53:32 < celeron55> lol
2015-11-22T22:53:57 < celeron55> and that's 6 interrupts in total
2015-11-22T22:54:09 < celeron55> i guess this is the other way of designing it
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2015-11-22T22:55:04 < ReadError> how do those middleware drivers work?
2015-11-22T22:55:09 < ReadError> they give you full source ?
2015-11-22T22:55:26 < ReadError> -drivers
2015-11-22T22:56:06 < zyp> what middleware?
2015-11-22T22:56:28 < Fleck> noob q., have not checked asm, guess someone knows, if I do #define a 5, #define b 7, #define c a*b, and then in code use c, will it always calc the value?
2015-11-22T22:57:11 < zyp> celeron55, well, addresses is a lot cheaper when you have four billions of those rather than 65 thousand
2015-11-22T22:57:14 < ReadError> zyp for USB etc
2015-11-22T22:58:26 < zyp> Fleck, doing that would equal typing 5*7, which would pretty much always get constant folded
2015-11-22T22:58:30 < ReadError> stacks? maybe middleware is wrong work
2015-11-22T22:58:32 < ReadError> word*
2015-11-22T22:58:45 < zyp> Fleck, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_folding
2015-11-22T22:59:37 < Fleck> ok, thanks
2015-11-22T22:59:42 < zyp> at -O0 it might not get folded, but you should never really compile at -O0
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2015-11-22T23:00:24 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-22T23:00:33 < zyp> ReadError, not sure what you're referring to
2015-11-22T23:00:41 < zyp> ReadError, but it varies
2015-11-22T23:00:53 < Fleck> zyp: I'll just use const uint8_t a*b; :D
2015-11-22T23:01:11 < celeron55> well -O0 is good for debugging; i found out that i can even run my usb stack with -O0 on stm32f0
2015-11-22T23:01:19 < celeron55> it's great
2015-11-22T23:01:22 < celeron55> i never had this pleasure with AVRs; you immediately run out of flash
2015-11-22T23:01:37 < Fleck> :D
2015-11-22T23:02:16 < zyp> ReadError, in general, some of it is proper open source, some of it is proprietary open source with a restricting license, some of it is closed source that the vendor will give you under NDA and some of it is binary blob
2015-11-22T23:02:57 < zyp> like, the nrf51 bluetooth stack is a binary blob that you flash alongside your app
2015-11-22T23:03:25 < ReadError> is some of the stuff just so hard to implement there is a market for these things?
2015-11-22T23:03:40 < celeron55> it is quite hard
2015-11-22T23:03:51 < celeron55> and the free stm32 libraries are crap
2015-11-22T23:03:57 < zyp> celeron55, I disagree about -O0 being good for debugging :)
2015-11-22T23:04:16 < zyp> in that you should debug what you'd run
2015-11-22T23:04:23 < zyp> debug what you'd ship
2015-11-22T23:04:26 < celeron55> zyp: it depends on what kind of stuff you want to debug
2015-11-22T23:04:30 < zyp> true
2015-11-22T23:04:37 < celeron55> if you are getting crazy memory corruption, -O0 is your friend
2015-11-22T23:04:41 < zyp> if you want to step source lines, use -Og
2015-11-22T23:05:08 < zyp> crazy memory corruption sounds like something that might just go away with -O0
2015-11-22T23:05:35 < celeron55> hope that it won't 8)
2015-11-22T23:05:37 < zyp> when they stem from untrue assumptions, that's broken by optimization :)
2015-11-22T23:06:34 < celeron55> but yes, -Og is generally the better one
2015-11-22T23:06:45 < celeron55> if you have it
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2015-11-22T23:58:47 < Roklobsta> interesting how not much traffic betwen taiwan and china but a steady stream betwen taiwan and japan.
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2015-11-23T00:06:47 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, china filters heavily. and their firewalls are SLOW and drop packets left and right
2015-11-23T00:07:31 < upgrdman> it would be closer to reality to say that china does not have Internet access, they have an Intranet with some half-ass connections to the outside world.
2015-11-23T00:08:19 < upgrdman> when i was in shanghai, it was slow to access anything outside of china. anything. servers in tokyo, australia, germany, usa ... all equally slow as fuck and flakey
2015-11-23T00:13:39 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: that was for another channel
2015-11-23T00:13:53 < Roklobsta> and i was talking about airplanes
2015-11-23T00:14:36 < Roklobsta> but i can imagine the same applies for data and goods and money as well.
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2015-11-23T00:21:33 < upgrdman> oh oops lol
2015-11-23T00:23:42 < Roklobsta> but here's the animation i was commenting on.  You can see how much air freight Dongs generates with his products.
2015-11-23T00:23:43 < Roklobsta> https://twitter.com/EarnKnowledge/status/668246423469604864
2015-11-23T00:25:53 < upgrdman> no kidding
2015-11-23T00:25:59 < upgrdman> just found this: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Lenovo-Ideacentre-Stick-300-Signature-Edition-PC/productID.328682200?icid=FY16_Holiday_BF_Pre_ModF_All_LenovoStick
2015-11-23T00:26:30 < upgrdman> anyone know of something like that (stick pc) but with more PC like performance? like better performance.
2015-11-23T00:26:47 < upgrdman> obiously wont be i7 + nvidia, but you know... something better.
2015-11-23T00:27:50 < Roklobsta> these new atom sticks are probably just rehashes of an intel reference design.  nothing novel or distinctive.  Reveiws I have read indicate some kind of lacklustre performance.
2015-11-23T00:28:19 < Roklobsta> try get a stick with a 4 core Arm in it.
2015-11-23T00:28:40 < Roklobsta> are you wanting to use windows?
2015-11-23T00:30:10 < celeron55> those cheap and low-powered intel things tend to be equal in performance to what laptops were in like 2007
2015-11-23T00:30:12 < upgrdman> not wanting but needing to, yes
2015-11-23T00:30:29 < celeron55> i.e. yes, not very impressive at all
2015-11-23T00:30:40 < celeron55> but you can get a full-sized laptop containing one for $200
2015-11-23T00:30:50 < Roklobsta> go with an i7 NUC
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2015-11-23T00:31:08 < Roklobsta> but it's not $150
2015-11-23T00:31:37 < zyp> celeron55, idk, 2007 laptops are pretty fucking impressive compared to 1997 laptops
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2015-11-23T00:31:51 < zyp> it's just a question of what you need it to do
2015-11-23T00:31:54 < celeron55> i have a 2007 laptop; i just upgraded it to a T7200
2015-11-23T00:32:00 < celeron55> it's still very useful
2015-11-23T00:32:06 < celeron55> but i mean, it's not fast
2015-11-23T00:32:26 < upgrdman> hmm NUC might be good
2015-11-23T00:32:44 < upgrdman> i just need a portable PC. doesn't need to be a laptop with dispay. just a PC i can carry in a backpack.
2015-11-23T00:32:57 < Roklobsta> most laptops from 7 years ago with a fresn install of win7 are still just fone for browsing/email/WP/yourNana.
2015-11-23T00:33:00 < Roklobsta> fine
2015-11-23T00:33:07 < zyp> upgrdman, do you need a portable monitor as well?
2015-11-23T00:33:12 < upgrdman> no
2015-11-23T00:33:26 < zyp> then NUC is what you want
2015-11-23T00:33:29 < upgrdman> k
2015-11-23T00:34:02 < zyp> it's pretty much a laptop without battery, monitor and keyboard/mouse
2015-11-23T00:34:02 < Roklobsta> gigabyte have their NUC equivalent BRIX range.  http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4581#ov
2015-11-23T00:34:41 < upgrdman> mmm sexy
2015-11-23T00:35:21 < Roklobsta> if portable you might want to find a unit with svga output
2015-11-23T00:35:31 < celeron55> yeah that's fast enough
2015-11-23T00:35:34 < zyp> svga? why?
2015-11-23T00:35:53 < upgrdman> bacisally i just need a PC for when i travel abroad. keyboard/monitor/mouse will be available, but I'd like to bring my own pc. and it should be small and light so i can take it from hotel to work and back each way.
2015-11-23T00:36:01 < Roklobsta> upgrdman can't predict what kind of monitor or projector will be at his distination...(?)
2015-11-23T00:36:06 < upgrdman> no
2015-11-23T00:36:11 < upgrdman> hdmi is guaranteed.
2015-11-23T00:36:18 < upgrdman> mini dp is almost guaranteed.
2015-11-23T00:36:23 < upgrdman> no vga ever. fuck that noise.
2015-11-23T00:36:29 < zyp> upgrdman, uh, so why not a laptop so you can use it while travelling as well?
2015-11-23T00:36:30 < Roklobsta> oh ok.  be prepared for whatever customs agents to confiscate it.
2015-11-23T00:36:46 < zyp> Roklobsta, sounds like bullshit
2015-11-23T00:37:16 < zyp> which country's customs agent will actually hassle you for bringing a computer?
2015-11-23T00:37:20 < upgrdman> zyp, well i hate the keyboards and small monitors on laptops. i will have a 1080 or 4k montior at work (prolly 4k) and a 1080 tv at the hotel.
2015-11-23T00:37:31 < Roklobsta> zyp: slashdot paranoia.
2015-11-23T00:37:32 < zyp> upgrdman, laptops still have hdmi and usb ports
2015-11-23T00:37:40 < zyp> Roklobsta, i.e. bullshit
2015-11-23T00:37:51 < upgrdman> so my plan was a Surface Bro 4, but i don't really even need the montior built into a bro 4.
2015-11-23T00:38:03 < Roklobsta> i dont event have a passport anymore so don't know what air travel is like nowl.
2015-11-23T00:38:30 < zyp> even when I went to the US last year, the customs agents didn't give a single fuck about my laptop
2015-11-23T00:39:32 < zyp> and the US is probably the most uncivilized country I've been travelling to
2015-11-23T00:39:37 < celeron55> just make sure you aren't using the thing as primary storage for anything and that covers all the bad luck you might get
2015-11-23T00:39:51 < celeron55> i mean, you can just go buy a new one in that case
2015-11-23T00:39:54 < upgrdman> flyback, why are they being so gentle with those metal parts? you'd think they were brushing the tip of their dick or something.
2015-11-23T00:42:17 < Roklobsta> carrying that bucket of molten metal looks like OHS nightmare
2015-11-23T00:42:39 < Roklobsta> lots of disposible employees
2015-11-23T00:43:08 < Roklobsta> bob fell in the smelting bucket.  i hope his remains don't create voids in the casting.
2015-11-23T00:43:39 < upgrdman> classic bob
2015-11-23T00:44:52 < zyp> upgrdman, well, the video ends with stuff being covered in white liquid
2015-11-23T00:45:07 < upgrdman> wankers
2015-11-23T00:45:44 < Laurenceb> I don't get why everyone complains about TSA, I've always found them friendly
2015-11-23T00:45:58 < Laurenceb> unlike UK equivalent who are scary and scottish
2015-11-23T00:48:34 < upgrdman> i've never had a problem with the TSA
2015-11-23T00:48:49 < upgrdman> but the equivaleny in China and South Korea seem more human.
2015-11-23T00:51:48 < Laurenceb> UK scary Scottish guys shout in your face and ask completely random questions
2015-11-23T00:51:51 < upgrdman> oh that Gigabyte pc won't do 4K on either port :(
2015-11-23T00:52:12 < Laurenceb> then there is a pimply faced youth with a massive machine gun who looks like a complete retard
2015-11-23T00:53:06 < Laurenceb> last time I went through I was trying not to make stupid jokes the whole time
2015-11-23T00:53:39 < zyp> I can't remember the UK guys being any worse than anywhere else
2015-11-23T00:53:42 < Laurenceb>  "hmm lets say I was a terrorist.. maybe I'd like a machine guy... so I'd just grab it off that half asleep guy just over there"
2015-11-23T00:53:51 < BrainDamage> so like this guy with a machinegun on his shoulders? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S7KujrsUB1w#t=4884
2015-11-23T00:55:49 < zyp> BrainDamage, haha
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2015-11-23T01:00:18 < zyp> Laurenceb, so that's how you appear in person, quite a difference from on irc :)
2015-11-23T01:00:26 < zyp> then again, that goes for most people
2015-11-23T01:05:19 < mitrax> oh i didn't get to see the part where he fights with the microphone
2015-11-23T01:07:24  * mitrax says LOSE THE TIE!
2015-11-23T01:11:03 < mitrax> LaurenceB: and unbutton the top button on that shirt damnit
2015-11-23T01:11:33 < emeb_mac> the internets are so judgy.
2015-11-23T01:18:38 < mitrax> judgy? nah
2015-11-23T01:19:48 < mitrax> just a nerd helping another nerd
2015-11-23T01:19:53 < mitrax> we all want to get laid, right?
2015-11-23T01:21:11 < zyp> I don't think going to a conference and holding a talk about rocked physics is intended to be a way to get laid anyway
2015-11-23T01:21:42 < mitrax> who knows, maybe there are hot chicks in the audience
2015-11-23T01:21:59 < mitrax> always be prepared!
2015-11-23T01:26:50 < mitrax> i see one... only the back of her head though
2015-11-23T01:27:10 < mitrax> ah no it's a guy with long hair :(
2015-11-23T01:31:01 < zyp> mitrax, also, aren't you too old to make jokes about getting laid?
2015-11-23T01:31:35 < zyp> or are you still having problems with that?
2015-11-23T01:32:28 < zyp> hi R2COM
2015-11-23T01:34:43 < mitrax> zyp: nope, being old doesn't make one any better at humor
2015-11-23T01:34:50 < mitrax> zyp: it hasn't for me anyway
2015-11-23T01:37:25 < zyp> for me that kind of jokes lost their point when people my age started getting married and having kids and stuff
2015-11-23T01:38:51 < mitrax> precisely and LaurenceB is much younger than me...
2015-11-23T01:39:06 < mitrax> as for being "judgy", i'm just pulling his leg... i assume he's well aware he looks nerdy in this video and don't mind the teasing...
2015-11-23T01:39:16 < zyp> idk, he's older than me :)
2015-11-23T01:39:48 < mitrax> if not, my apologies :)
2015-11-23T01:40:32 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-23T01:40:41 < zyp> R2COM, yeah, but we already know you're an asshole ;)
2015-11-23T01:40:42 < mitrax> well i'm old, i'm supposed to be wise and shit
2015-11-23T01:41:24 < mitrax> zyp: is he? didn't you say you were 27?
2015-11-23T01:41:43 < zyp> pretty sure Laurenceb is older than 27
2015-11-23T01:41:44 < mitrax> zyp: i'd have guessed laurenceb was 25
2015-11-23T01:42:07 < mitrax> okay
2015-11-23T01:42:11 < MightyPork> hi can I have a stm32f3 question here? struggling with opamps..
2015-11-23T01:42:35 < mitrax> MightyPork: no way, where do you think you are?
2015-11-23T01:42:43 < mitrax> MightyPork: :)
2015-11-23T01:42:48 < MightyPork> well I looked at the conversation and had my doubts :P
2015-11-23T01:42:50 < mitrax> R2COM: yup, turning 70 next month
2015-11-23T01:43:14 < mitrax> R2COM: i'm 38
2015-11-23T01:43:16 < MightyPork> okay so I want to output the voltage reference to output... I thought setting TSTCAL to 1 will do that
2015-11-23T01:43:36 < MightyPork> I mean TSTREF
2015-11-23T01:43:58 < zyp> I'm not sure exactly how old Laurenceb is, but IIRC he's finished a phd already, which is like 8 years or so
2015-11-23T01:44:03 < MightyPork> and and configure level in CALSEL. But it doesnt seem to have any effect
2015-11-23T01:44:28 < Laurenceb> heh my age is a secret
2015-11-23T01:44:39 < zyp> hmm, actually, if I didn't waste my time doing actual paying work and just studied, I could have finished a phd this year myself
2015-11-23T01:45:05 < mitrax> how old is dongs?
2015-11-23T01:45:15 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-11-23T01:46:14 < mitrax> "So yes, I'd like a public apology. For all of us. And for Bochen, who saw through it all from the start, asked difficult questions, and was batted away time and again but still persisted. I think he has every right to 'score points on a public forum' since that is exactly what Ivan was doing when he said there would be a plate of humble pie to be eaten. "
2015-11-23T01:46:18 < mitrax> "So, let the feast commence!"
2015-11-23T01:47:16 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: i saw your vid but my brain filtered to this... sorry... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGTxD-5OnqA
2015-11-23T01:49:14 < upgrdman> damn. why are NUCs so weak and overpriced. a surface pro 4 would be cheaper, despite have an LCD and battery, if you want modern levels of performance.
2015-11-23T01:50:19 < zyp> haha, the audience looks pretty casual, Laurenceb does stand out with that formal white shirt and tie :)
2015-11-23T01:50:41 < zyp> are they?
2015-11-23T01:50:54 < Roklobsta> get an i7 bro4
2015-11-23T01:50:57 < zyp> which numbers are you comparing?
2015-11-23T01:51:15 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, ya i plan to
2015-11-23T01:51:18 < zyp> but still, get a laptop
2015-11-23T01:51:28 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, sadly, the 1TB version wont be out until late january.
2015-11-23T01:51:39 < zyp> I wouldn't want to travel without one
2015-11-23T01:51:53 < upgrdman> zyp, i want 4k output, >=8GB RAM, >=256GB flash
2015-11-23T01:52:05 < Roklobsta> for $399.
2015-11-23T01:52:20 < upgrdman> for less than the price of a pro 4
2015-11-23T01:52:28 < upgrdman> which doesnt seem to exist
2015-11-23T01:52:32 < zyp> no experience with 4k, but the rest sounds like a given if you get a decent modern laptop
2015-11-23T01:52:35 < upgrdman> so i'll get a pro 4 i guess.
2015-11-23T01:52:45 < zyp> how much is a pro 4?
2015-11-23T01:52:53 < upgrdman> i have a modern laptop. i7, 512GB flash, 16GB ram, etc.
2015-11-23T01:53:03 < upgrdman> but i dont need a laptop anymore.
2015-11-23T01:53:06 < Laurenceb> but does it have a decent screen
2015-11-23T01:53:09 < upgrdman> zyp, start at $900
2015-11-23T01:53:21 < upgrdman> but i want the best one, which is like $2400
2015-11-23T01:53:33 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, my current laptop? excellent.
2015-11-23T01:53:39 < upgrdman> fagbook pro retina.
2015-11-23T01:53:42 < Laurenceb> ah
2015-11-23T01:53:55 < upgrdman> best LCD out there right now
2015-11-23T01:53:56 < upgrdman> sadly
2015-11-23T01:54:02 < zyp> doesn't that do 4k?
2015-11-23T01:54:04 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-11-23T01:54:08 < mitrax> what about something like this http://www.amazon.com/NUC5i7RYH-i7-5557U-Bluetooth-Pre-Assembled-E-ITX/dp/B00WSB6X1Y/ref=sr_1_24?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1448236318&sr=1-24&keywords=NUC+core+i7 ?
2015-11-23T01:54:26 < upgrdman> zyp, no. i have the early 2013 model. max output is 1080p60. but the lcd is 2880x1800
2015-11-23T01:54:34 < zyp> ah
2015-11-23T01:54:46 < upgrdman> and im not going to buy another fagbook pro.
2015-11-23T01:54:48 < zyp> wait, that's not true
2015-11-23T01:54:56 < zyp> my 2011 macbook does more
2015-11-23T01:55:04 < zyp> on DP at least
2015-11-23T01:55:06 < upgrdman> zyp, its true. i'll find an apple link to show you
2015-11-23T01:55:08 < zyp> doesn't have HDMI
2015-11-23T01:55:09 < mitrax> core i7 16GB 480GB SSD + 1TB  for $950
2015-11-23T01:55:26 < zyp> do you need 4k HDMI, or is 4k DP enough?
2015-11-23T01:55:28 < upgrdman> zyp, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202856
2015-11-23T01:55:40 < upgrdman> i've tried mini dp and hdmi. both max out at 1080p60
2015-11-23T01:56:23 < upgrdman> mitrax, at that price and size i might as well go with a surface pro 4
2015-11-23T01:56:38 < zyp> upgrdman, specs for mine says it does max 2560x1600
2015-11-23T01:56:46 < zyp> I've used it at 2560x1440
2015-11-23T01:56:49 < mitrax> upgrdman: yeah but for that price you'll only have a 128GB drive
2015-11-23T01:56:53 < zyp> so 1080p60 is simply not true :)
2015-11-23T01:57:19 < upgrdman> zyp, i have an early 2013 model. not late.
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2015-11-23T01:57:45 < upgrdman> mitrax, so what. a micro SD card to make up the balance would still be worth it.
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2015-11-23T01:57:49 < upgrdman> that pc is fucking huge
2015-11-23T01:57:53 < upgrdman> for what ti does
2015-11-23T01:58:00 < zyp> I have a non-retina 2011 model, I don't believe a 2013 model would be worse
2015-11-23T01:58:07 < upgrdman> it is.
2015-11-23T01:58:13 < upgrdman> look at the apple.com link i posted
2015-11-23T01:58:55 < MightyPork> so anyone know how (if possible) to output OPAMP voltage reference to a pin, on the STM32F3xx ?
2015-11-23T01:59:22 < zyp> upgrdman, https://support.apple.com/kb/SP668 «Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on up to two external displays, at millions of colors»
2015-11-23T02:00:38 < mitrax> 11cm x 10.5cm is not "huge" :) but okay 5cm thick is too much
2015-11-23T02:01:43 < upgrdman> zyp, well wtf. it doesn't offer me those resolutions.
2015-11-23T02:01:56 < upgrdman> in either os x or windows 10 (dual booting)
2015-11-23T02:02:06 < zyp> probably because a 4k monitor doesn't support those modes
2015-11-23T02:02:20 < kakimir> hah 4k monitors refreshing at 30fps
2015-11-23T02:02:37 < upgrdman> ya 4k is the way to go these days
2015-11-23T02:02:44 < zyp> kakimir, if you're mainly looking at a static picture, why not?
2015-11-23T02:02:46 < upgrdman> kakimir, 4k60 is super common
2015-11-23T02:02:52 < kakimir> hah only 60
2015-11-23T02:03:39 < upgrdman> mitrax, it is huge for what it does. there's tons of laptop that beat it and take up less volume even with their displays and batteries.
2015-11-23T02:04:14 < kakimir> one thing to note is also color bits
2015-11-23T02:04:21 < zyp> I kinda wish I could go 4k, but dell replaced my U2711 with a U2713H for free earlier this year, and I can't really justify replacing it
2015-11-23T02:05:04 < upgrdman> i wonder how crappy altium would run on that $120 intel compute stick. lol
2015-11-23T02:05:33 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ngQHz.JPG <- the U2711 developed some weird miscoloring
2015-11-23T02:05:41 < zyp> so I called up Dell
2015-11-23T02:05:45 < MightyPork> nvm I solved my problem. confusing datasheet is to blame, as always
2015-11-23T02:06:03 < zyp> «ok, we'll send you a new monitor, which you should have tomorrow»
2015-11-23T02:06:05 < upgrdman> zyp, wow. weird looking defect. wonder what causes it.
2015-11-23T02:06:09 < Rob235> hmm... how do you do i2c on stm32? :/ how does master/slave work? I have one i2c device, do i use master or is the board master or what
2015-11-23T02:06:45 < zyp> I figured I should wake up early so I'd be ready for the delivery guy that usually comes around 10 or so
2015-11-23T02:08:08 < zyp> well, yeah
2015-11-23T02:08:24 < karlp> fabulous, can't use packaged version of sdcc to reprogram a pic, because the pic headers are "not free enough" even though only useful for pics.
2015-11-23T02:09:28 < karlp> can be built from source though.
2015-11-23T02:10:15 < zyp> I set the alarm to 09:30
2015-11-23T02:10:15 < zyp> 07:40 I'm woken up by the doorbell
2015-11-23T02:11:02 < zyp> like, I don't live in a huge city or anything, I call dell reporting a problem with my monitor, and in less than 18 hours I have a replacement
2015-11-23T02:11:12 < upgrdman> reminds me of what we order things to be overnighted by McMaster-Carr. we order at like 5pm and it's delivered in the morning before 8am.
2015-11-23T02:11:23 < zyp> for free, and I'm not paying extra for any sort of service plan
2015-11-23T02:12:01 < zyp> that's fucking customer service
2015-11-23T02:12:49 < zyp> fun part: monitor had three years warranty, I bought it in 2012
2015-11-23T02:13:24 < zyp> I called this in just before summer vacation, if I had waited until after I got back home warranty would have expired
2015-11-23T02:14:06 < jadew> nice
2015-11-23T02:14:33 < zyp> norwegian consumer law grants me five years anyway, but usually it's more of a hassle to get stuff fixed once manufacturer warranty expires
2015-11-23T02:15:42 < jadew> I'd be excited if I had to fix a TV
2015-11-23T02:16:23 < zyp> I emailed the store where I bought the monitor first, which usually wants the defective product in return before they replaced it, but they advised me that I should just call dell directly since it still had warranty
2015-11-23T02:16:28 < jadew> last time when I thought I get to do that, I bought my grandmother a new one and when I got home and plugged the old one in, it worked fine
2015-11-23T02:16:43 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T02:17:07 < zyp> you should have told me, I just threw away a defective tv the other day
2015-11-23T02:17:16 < jadew> heh
2015-11-23T02:17:43 < zyp> some shitty old 40" LCD that I got from a guy I know because it was defective
2015-11-23T02:18:06 < jadew> there are lots of goodies in there
2015-11-23T02:18:09 < zyp> like six years ago
2015-11-23T02:18:11 < jadew> heatsinks mainly
2015-11-23T02:18:38 < jadew> so if you didn't plan to fix it, you should have at least recovered that
2015-11-23T02:19:00 < zyp> I thought that the problem was probably the main board in the TV, so I ripped that out and got a simple HDMI to LVDS adapter board
2015-11-23T02:19:17 < zyp> turned out that the panel itself didn't work
2015-11-23T02:19:20 < jadew> ah, still good
2015-11-23T02:19:50 < zyp> so I put it away and it's been sitting in a storage room ever since
2015-11-23T02:20:23 < zyp> now I'm moving in a few weeks, so I'm starting by getting rid of a ton of old shit I'm never going to do anything with
2015-11-23T02:20:46 < jadew> I just did that
2015-11-23T02:21:05 < jadew> lots of room for new crap now
2015-11-23T02:21:29 < zyp> I've got so much junk
2015-11-23T02:21:44 < zyp> I have three of these old hitachi tablet computers
2015-11-23T02:22:04 < zyp> with some 400mhz transmeta x86 cpu
2015-11-23T02:22:13 < jadew> hard to imagine what you could recover from them
2015-11-23T02:22:18 < zyp> that I picked up in 2008
2015-11-23T02:22:25 < jadew> heatsinks + screws
2015-11-23T02:22:28 < zyp> for pretty much nothing
2015-11-23T02:22:36 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bmB6ooG.jpg new generation MAKE:R
2015-11-23T02:22:40 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-11-23T02:22:57 < jadew> lol
2015-11-23T02:23:17 < zyp> in 2008, the idea of a touchscreen computer seemed kinda cool, before the age of ipad and all the following cheap chinese knockoffs
2015-11-23T02:23:59 < zyp> I figured I could mount them to the walls and make UIs for various stuff
2015-11-23T02:24:02 < dongs> upgrdman: i ordered that toshitba from bestbuy yesterday
2015-11-23T02:24:05 < zyp> of course did none of that shit
2015-11-23T02:24:08 < dongs> "for less than bro4"
2015-11-23T02:24:14 < upgrdman> which one?
2015-11-23T02:24:21 < jadew> zyp, haha, I had a similar dream
2015-11-23T02:24:28 < jadew> with a touch screen in the bathroom, for music
2015-11-23T02:24:33 < dongs> hm i didnt link it in here
2015-11-23T02:24:33 < dongs> sec
2015-11-23T02:24:45 < jadew> that didn't happen...
2015-11-23T02:25:22 < dongs> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/toshiba-satellite-radius-2-in-1-12-5-4k-ultra-hd-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-256gb-solid-state-drive-carbon-gray/4517300.p
2015-11-23T02:25:30 < dongs> i think i just linked review or something
2015-11-23T02:27:20 < Rob235> dongs: get the dma working?
2015-11-23T02:27:25 < upgrdman> pro  https://i.imgur.com/2OzbnrB.gifv
2015-11-23T02:28:05 < dongs> Rob235: havent started since coming back
2015-11-23T02:28:09 < dongs> and i gotta dicknplace today
2015-11-23T02:28:16 < Rob235> where'd ya go
2015-11-23T02:28:57 < upgrdman> dongs, cool. when you get it, give us a half assed review please.
2015-11-23T02:29:12 < dongs> end of december :)
2015-11-23T02:29:49 < zyp> dongs, hey, would you mind assembling some NFC reader protos for me when I get around to doing the design?
2015-11-23T02:29:55 < dongs> sure
2015-11-23T02:30:04 < dongs> that should be like 1 chip right
2015-11-23T02:30:08 < zyp> I'll probably do a volume order shortly after the protos, assuming I get them to work properly
2015-11-23T02:30:31 < zyp> stm32 + nfc chip + power and antenna maching + usb connector
2015-11-23T02:30:37 < zyp> all SMT, I imagine
2015-11-23T02:30:51 < dongs> yeah sure
2015-11-23T02:31:26 < zyp> I got a guy asking me for those and he needs some working by february, so I figure I should do it soon
2015-11-23T02:31:39 < dongs> sure
2015-11-23T02:32:01 < zyp> need to do protos first so I'm sure I get the antenna matching shit good enough to work
2015-11-23T02:32:10 < Rob235> wtf is dicknplace man, I googled it cause I was curious and half the results are chatroom logs with your name haha
2015-11-23T02:32:16 < dongs> loo
2015-11-23T02:32:19 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T02:32:25 < BrainDamage> pick n place machine
2015-11-23T02:32:38 < upgrdman> i dont understand  http://i.imgur.com/uyzDLEG.gifv
2015-11-23T02:32:52 < Rob235> ahhh
2015-11-23T02:33:18 < dongs> upgrdman: the fuck is he holding
2015-11-23T02:34:06 < Sync> "art"
2015-11-23T02:34:46 < zyp> dongs, oh, by the way, when you have time, check if you can get CR95HF or ST95HF cheaper than mouser
2015-11-23T02:34:55 < upgrdman> dongs, no idea
2015-11-23T02:34:56 < zyp> that would be the nfc chip
2015-11-23T02:35:34 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRUgJ5Jo9as
2015-11-23T02:36:13 < zyp> the latter would be preferable, unless there's a significant price difference
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2015-11-23T03:06:07 < dongs> zyp: lazy to check google, waht package is that
2015-11-23T03:06:08 < dongs> soem QFN?
2015-11-23T03:07:09 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-23T03:07:26 < zyp> qfn32
2015-11-23T03:07:30 < zyp> 5x5mm
2015-11-23T03:08:00 < zyp> they are pin compatible, ST95HF supports more modes
2015-11-23T03:09:55 < zyp> actually, they are not fully compatibe, looks like it dropped UART mode
2015-11-23T03:10:00 < zyp> so I'll have to do SPI
2015-11-23T03:10:02 < zyp> but that's fine
2015-11-23T03:12:24 < dongs> zyp, can get samples of CR, ST maybe available for production later but not stock
2015-11-23T03:14:45 < zyp> mouser stocks both for $3-4ish
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2015-11-23T03:16:49 < zyp> CR is $3.38 @100, ST is $3.78 @100
2015-11-23T03:25:55 < dongs> zyp, samples of CR are 1.65
2015-11-23T03:26:01 < dongs> qty probly a bit less
2015-11-23T03:26:08 < zyp> oh, neat
2015-11-23T03:26:22 < zyp> would really prefer ST though
2015-11-23T03:26:27 < zyp> how much later is later?
2015-11-23T03:27:43 < zyp> they are probably similar enough that I could prototype with CR and do ST for volume order
2015-11-23T03:28:29 < dongs> id hav eo aask anotyher place
2015-11-23T03:28:36 < dongs> which might not be awke yet
2015-11-23T03:28:48 < zyp> right
2015-11-23T03:29:31 < zyp> actually, I might as well prototype with ST from mouser, price doesn't matter for prototype qty
2015-11-23T03:32:15 < dongs> whats hte production gonna be like?
2015-11-23T03:32:16 < dongs> like 100?
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2015-11-23T03:33:00 < zyp> probably, maybe more, depends how many the other guy wants
2015-11-23T03:34:48 < zyp> this guy needs some for some application, and I'm going to sell them for another application with a different firmware as well
2015-11-23T03:36:56 < dongs> stealing mifare, nodoubt
2015-11-23T03:37:25 < zyp> ya, that's why I need ST's card emulation mode
2015-11-23T03:37:36 < zyp> nah, I just want the p2p mode
2015-11-23T03:48:04 < zyp> know any microcontrollers that's specced to work at -50C?
2015-11-23T03:48:20 < zyp> one of my pals is asking, he already found this stuff: http://www.ti.com/lit/sl/sgzt010/sgzt010.pdf
2015-11-23T03:48:41 < upgrdman> maybe put an 1206 resistor on the bottom side, below the mcu? :)
2015-11-23T03:49:22 < dongs> norway winters
2015-11-23T03:49:40 < zyp> well, he's apparently going to use it to control heating, then turn on the rest of the system once it's within safe range
2015-11-23T03:50:11 < zyp> not sure what it's for, but apparently one of his customers wanted a product extended to work at -50C
2015-11-23T03:50:59 < zyp> R2COM, that's what's in that link
2015-11-23T03:51:20 < zyp> and it looks fair enough for just acting as a thermostat
2015-11-23T03:51:31 < zyp> just wondering if there's any other decent options
2015-11-23T03:52:15 < dongs> is there industrial thing of STM8?
2015-11-23T03:52:59 < dongs> -40 max
2015-11-23T03:53:06 < zyp> dongs, norwegian winters doesn't get that cold really, the sea brings a lot of heat
2015-11-23T03:53:22 < zyp> i.e. the gulf stream
2015-11-23T03:53:29 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STM8AF6226TDY/497-15832-ND/5051424
2015-11-23T03:53:32 < dongs> -40-150C
2015-11-23T03:53:49 < dongs> could keep it in a boiler
2015-11-23T03:54:30 < zyp> I've seen -25C inland, but it doesn't even get that cold here at the coast
2015-11-23T03:55:21 < zyp> of course, the sea brings a lot of wind as well, so the effective temperature once you factor in wind chill would be way lower
2015-11-23T03:55:37 < zyp> but that's irrelevant for electronics
2015-11-23T03:57:17 < dongs> < upgrdman> maybe put an 1206 resistor on the bottom side, below the mcu? :)
2015-11-23T03:57:20 < dongs> this sounds ilke a great idea
2015-11-23T03:58:15 < zyp> yes, except that the entire purpose of this microcontroller is to control the heating of the rest of the system, and keep it turned off until the temperature has entered a safe range
2015-11-23T03:58:32 < dongs> today im dicknplacing a 0603 project that ive bene putting off for months
2015-11-23T03:58:39 < dongs> because too lazy to reconfigure my shit from 0402
2015-11-23T03:58:50 < zyp> so this microcontroller needs to work reliably
2015-11-23T03:58:59 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T03:59:31 < zyp> would you like me to do future stuff in 0402 then?
2015-11-23T03:59:51 < dongs> nah doesnt matter. if its work shit i dont mind
2015-11-23T04:00:21 < zyp> this nfc-stuff would be hobby-biz stuff
2015-11-23T04:00:24 < zyp> like arcin
2015-11-23T04:00:37 < dongs> there are NO cortex-m wiht > -40C rating
2015-11-23T04:00:38 < dongs> according to dogikey
2015-11-23T04:00:51 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/HT83C51/342-1095-ND/2046731
2015-11-23T04:00:52 < dongs> lool
2015-11-23T04:00:54 < zyp> yeah, digikey is the first place I checked
2015-11-23T04:02:03 < zyp> uh
2015-11-23T04:02:13 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SM470R1B1MHFQS/296-28285-5-ND/2353584 <- wtf is this package?
2015-11-23T04:02:29 < dongs> spacedip
2015-11-23T04:04:18 < dongs> looks like msp is your only choice
2015-11-23T04:05:19 < dongs> you better hope it has HSI
2015-11-23T04:05:24 < dongs> and its acutally spec'd to work at -55
2015-11-23T04:05:40 < dongs> the chip might be ok at -that but not the rest of hte junk
2015-11-23T04:06:02 < zyp> hmm, I don't get that CQFP thing
2015-11-23T04:06:16 < zyp> it looks like a QFN with legs, connected to some weird frame
2015-11-23T04:06:32 < dongs> need paste footprint
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2015-11-23T04:08:13 < zyp> datasheet doesn't seem to specify that, just package dimensions
2015-11-23T04:08:14 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/QLsQ8jn   "healthy"
2015-11-23T04:08:35 < gxti> weird aerospace shit http://www.sempac.com/openpak-qfp.php
2015-11-23T04:11:25 < dongs> yeah so its whta i thought
2015-11-23T04:11:25 < zyp> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Texas%20Instr%20Photos/SM470R1B1MHKPS.JPG <- or this shit
2015-11-23T04:11:28 < dongs> 'open cavity'
2015-11-23T04:11:33 < dongs> so the shit gets a square hole drilled in pcb
2015-11-23T04:11:35 < zyp> «hey, let's put a qfn on it's back and put legs on it»
2015-11-23T04:11:36 < dongs> and the chip is suspended in it
2015-11-23T04:11:50 < dongs> the solder/traces are on the edges of that carry thing
2015-11-23T04:12:07 < zyp> kinda like your stm8 flasher
2015-11-23T04:12:45 < dongs> ya
2015-11-23T04:13:06 < dongs> last reel and dicking can commence
2015-11-23T04:13:36 < zyp> guess it's convenient when you get pissed at that shit, just punch the fucking chip through the board
2015-11-23T04:14:17 < zyp> sounds much more fun to destroy than a regular qfp
2015-11-23T04:18:41 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/HT83C51DC/HT83C51DC-ND/5114641
2015-11-23T04:19:05 < dongs> ill take a tray
2015-11-23T04:19:12 < dongs> i wonder how those are delivered
2015-11-23T04:19:22 < dongs> hey it has external memory interface
2015-11-23T04:21:35 < zyp> and pwm, so you could use it for your polar expedition quadrotor
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2015-11-23T05:10:38 < dongs> zep, do you remember that slave i2c software thing you did for me
2015-11-23T05:10:53 < dongs> are there any curremt M0/etc STM that have less fucktarded I2C peripheral
2015-11-23T05:11:30 < dongs> i'd really like to revive that project on something cheap but overclocking F1 to 128mhz doesnt leave a lot of choice for waht chip to use
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2015-11-23T05:21:15 < zyp> I would assume F0 and L0 got the same new I2C periph that F3 introduced
2015-11-23T05:21:31 < zyp> which I haven't used yet, so I don't know what it's capabilities are
2015-11-23T05:21:53 < zyp> IIRC you needed to handle multiple addrs?
2015-11-23T05:22:05 < zyp> let me have a quick look, I have the F0 RM open already
2015-11-23T05:22:26 < englishman> dongs irl http://i.imgur.com/Cvnbuls.jpg
2015-11-23T05:22:36 < zyp> oh, yeah
2015-11-23T05:22:57 < zyp> I2C v2 can match two addrs, and one of them has a configurable mask
2015-11-23T05:23:03 < zyp> so you can set it to wildcard match
2015-11-23T05:23:20 < zyp> «111: OA2[7:1] are masked and don’t care. No comparison is done, and all (except reserved) 7-bit received addresses are acknowledged.»
2015-11-23T05:24:04 < zyp> hmm
2015-11-23T05:24:10 < zyp> «As soon as OA2MSK is not equal to 0, the reserved I2C addresses (0b0000xxx and 0b1111xxx) are not acknowledged even if the comparison matches.»
2015-11-23T05:30:14 < dongs> hmm
2015-11-23T05:30:54 < dongs> zyp, the issue with wildcard was something that i couldnt use
2015-11-23T05:31:04 < zyp> did v1 have wildcard?
2015-11-23T05:31:59 < zyp> no, just two addr regs
2015-11-23T05:32:07 < zyp> and IIRC you needed more than two
2015-11-23T05:32:15 < dongs> hmm
2015-11-23T05:32:26 < dongs> and what happens when its wildcarded?
2015-11-23T05:32:30 < dongs> can I get the address that was used?
2015-11-23T05:32:41 < dongs> which F0/L0 has this shit
2015-11-23T05:32:51 < dongs> oh you havent used
2015-11-23T05:32:57 < dongs> englishman: lol'd
2015-11-23T05:33:09 < zyp> the document I have open covers RM0091, which would be F072 among others
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2015-11-23T05:33:29 < zyp> but I believe all F3, F0, L0 and even F7 have the v2 periph
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2015-11-23T05:33:42 < zyp> I think it was new in F3, so any family newer than F3 should have it
2015-11-23T05:33:46 < dongs> i think  other thing is that i2c was kinda broken
2015-11-23T05:34:06 < dongs> it was start addr data <no stop> new start new addr data < no stop > last start last addr data <final stop>
2015-11-23T05:34:16 < zyp> that's another thing new periph were supposed to fix
2015-11-23T05:34:34 < zyp> well, bugs in general
2015-11-23T05:34:37 < dongs> so that this would work?
2015-11-23T05:34:45 < dongs> well, its not a bug, its a source device bug if anything
2015-11-23T05:35:04 < zyp> no, repeat starts is part of the protocol
2015-11-23T05:35:36 < zyp> any device should handle them really
2015-11-23T05:38:46 < zyp> «After receiving an ADDR interrupt, if several addresses are enabled you must read the ADDCODE[6:0] bits in the I2Cx_ISR register in order to check which address matched.»
2015-11-23T05:38:53 < zyp> so yeah, you get the addr
2015-11-23T05:38:54 < dongs> mmm
2015-11-23T05:38:58 < dongs> well shit
2015-11-23T05:39:00 < dongs> thats excellent
2015-11-23T05:39:32 < dongs> now to find a nucleo with taht shit on it
2015-11-23T05:39:34 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-11-23T05:39:45 < dongs> these are the parts that exist in QFN right
2015-11-23T05:39:52 < dongs> or wahtever, nonretardedhuge packages
2015-11-23T05:40:28 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF259724
2015-11-23T05:40:30 < dongs> looks like this
2015-11-23T05:42:09 < zyp> L0 is available in wlcsp36 2.6x2.8mm :)
2015-11-23T05:42:17 < dongs> well yeah... no
2015-11-23T05:42:42 < englishman> haha good luck with qfn
2015-11-23T05:43:01 < zyp> I already determined that it can be powered and programmed without vias
2015-11-23T05:43:07 < zyp> last time I looked at it
2015-11-23T05:43:13 < dongs> looks like my wavesahre pals have that 072disco
2015-11-23T05:45:39 < zyp> if you route across unused pads, you'll get i2c broken out from a wlcsp 36 :)
2015-11-23T05:46:06 < dongs> not just i2c, need other pins too
2015-11-23T05:46:08 < dongs> so thats okay
2015-11-23T05:46:13 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T05:46:19 < dongs> englishman: why, was that some of the shit you were quoting?
2015-11-23T05:46:38 < englishman> Ya
2015-11-23T05:46:47 < dongs> faler
2015-11-23T05:46:53 < englishman> typical st
2015-11-23T05:47:12 < zyp> I need to do a wlcsp36 breakout some time, just because I can
2015-11-23T05:47:26 < englishman> plus they are all ep, so probably smaller to route qfp
2015-11-23T05:48:22 < dongs> ya i dont mind EP for this
2015-11-23T05:48:30 < dongs> its literally gonne be the only chip on there
2015-11-23T05:50:15 < zyp> by the way, I'm probably gonna go L0 on the NFC board
2015-11-23T05:50:56 < zyp> same as on the usb to rs485 thing I made
2015-11-23T05:51:11 < dongs> a
2015-11-23T05:51:14 < dongs> what was on there
2015-11-23T05:51:17 < dongs> 7x7 qfp?
2015-11-23T05:51:21 < dongs> 32pin thing
2015-11-23T05:51:26 < dongs> or 48qfp
2015-11-23T05:51:28 < zyp> no, standard qfp48
2015-11-23T05:51:40 < zyp> qfp32 is same size, just coarser pitch
2015-11-23T05:51:53 < zyp> and harder to get, according to you, so it didn't make sense at all
2015-11-23T05:53:00 < dongs> right
2015-11-23T05:53:03 < zyp> I'd go F0, but I don't want to sacrifice the ability to put a custom bootloader on it
2015-11-23T05:53:15 < dongs> hm, only one thing is the i2c trash is 5V
2015-11-23T05:53:21 < dongs> so i'd need some level shifting garbage
2015-11-23T05:53:37 < dongs> blah
2015-11-23T05:53:38 < zyp> why?
2015-11-23T05:53:43 < zyp> just use FT pins
2015-11-23T05:53:47 < dongs> because i2c levels are 5V?
2015-11-23T05:53:48 < dongs> oh?
2015-11-23T05:53:50 < dongs> what bout replies
2015-11-23T05:53:51 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-11-23T05:53:59 < dongs> cuz its OD i guess doesnt matter?
2015-11-23T05:54:00 < zyp> external 5V pullup
2015-11-23T05:54:11 < zyp> yep
2015-11-23T05:54:32 < Rob235> dongs: stop following me... I'm working on I2C now too
2015-11-23T05:54:42 < zyp> so yeah, just make sure whatever chip you pick has FT I2C pins
2015-11-23T05:56:39 < zyp> all I2C pins on L0 is FT
2015-11-23T05:57:01 < zyp> probably similar on F0
2015-11-23T05:57:16 < zyp> on the newer chips, it's mostly just ADC pins that's not FT
2015-11-23T05:57:23 < dongs> yeah PB10/11 is FT
2015-11-23T05:57:34 < Rob235> using f4?
2015-11-23T05:57:45 < dongs> pb6/7 too
2015-11-23T05:58:00 < dongs> PB6/7 is FTf for SUPERFASTMODE
2015-11-23T05:58:23 < zyp> ah, so that's what FTf means?
2015-11-23T05:58:25 < zyp> I was wondering
2015-11-23T05:58:26 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-23T05:58:33 < dongs> "FastMode+" or someshit
2015-11-23T05:58:37 < dongs> the 1Mhz i2c thing.
2015-11-23T05:58:40 < dongs> that nobody uses.
2015-11-23T05:58:59 < zyp> uh, FT is 5V tolerant
2015-11-23T05:59:05 < zyp> i2c fastmode has nothing to do with that
2015-11-23T05:59:06 < dongs> yes
2015-11-23T05:59:09 < dongs> I know
2015-11-23T05:59:12 < dongs> im just saying
2015-11-23T05:59:19 < dongs> they=re FT *and* support fastmode.
2015-11-23T05:59:59 < dongs> hey you can get 072 on a die
2015-11-23T06:00:09 < dongs> for max pro
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2015-11-23T06:00:56 < zyp> hmm, L0 has a grand total of 7 non-FT pins
2015-11-23T06:01:05 < zyp> 6 on 48pin parts
2015-11-23T06:01:14 < dongs> thats pretty good
2015-11-23T06:01:28 < dongs> where teh fuck is zeptobars and his teardown report
2015-11-23T06:01:30 < zyp> looks like lots of ADC pins are FT even
2015-11-23T06:02:37 < zyp> hmm, there's no pattern to this at all
2015-11-23T06:03:16 < zyp> PC4 is FT, PC5 is TC, both have ADC channels, and there's no other notable differences
2015-11-23T06:04:03 < dongs> ST making sense in their product line...
2015-11-23T06:04:04 < dongs> RIGHT
2015-11-23T06:04:20 < zyp> idk
2015-11-23T06:04:46 < zyp> ST GPIOs makes way more sense than the NXP way of doing things
2015-11-23T06:05:17 < dongs> well, yeah
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2015-11-23T06:08:08 < Rob235> how do you find if an i2c peripheral uses 7 or 10 bit ack?
2015-11-23T06:08:12 < Rob235> i dont see it in the datasheet
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2015-11-23T06:10:31 < dongs> errrr
2015-11-23T06:10:36 < dongs> like praactically nothing uses 10bit
2015-11-23T06:10:39 < dongs> so there's that
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2015-11-23T06:12:11 < Rob235> yea i just found on a similar imu that it uses 7
2015-11-23T06:15:51 < zyp> I've never seen a device doing 10bit
2015-11-23T06:16:55 < zyp> not sure what the point would be
2015-11-23T06:19:10 < zyp> most devices have a fixed base with a few pins to change the addr, maybe 3, so you'd have 8 unique addrs at most for that part
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2015-11-23T06:19:12 < Rob235> what about duty cycle? 16/9 or 2? I'm guessing the former because the datasheet says 1.3 for SCL low and .6 for SCL high. Am I looking at the right thing?
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2015-11-23T06:19:21 < Rob235> but then I don't know what just 2 would mean
2015-11-23T06:19:49 < zyp> I think that's a fast mode thing
2015-11-23T06:20:01 < zyp> usually not important
2015-11-23T06:20:08 < Rob235> yea I want to use fast mode I think
2015-11-23T06:20:14 < Rob235> I2C was so easy on arduino :)
2015-11-23T06:20:46 < zyp> I2C is easy when you run it with default slow settings
2015-11-23T06:21:34 < Rob235> fast mode isn't just part of the setup process? you have to change everything then?
2015-11-23T06:22:21 < zyp> sure it is
2015-11-23T06:22:28 < zyp> you just configure a higher speed
2015-11-23T06:22:51 < Rob235> then I might as well use it
2015-11-23T06:23:07 < Rob235> I'm running at 400 kHz
2015-11-23T06:23:16 < zyp> assuming your slave is that fast
2015-11-23T06:23:23 < Rob235> yea it says it supports it
2015-11-23T06:24:01 < zyp> the thing is, I2C is an open drain protocol, so the signal is not symmetric
2015-11-23T06:24:42 < zyp> when a device signals 0, it's driving it low with a transistor, so you get a pretty sharp falling edge
2015-11-23T06:25:08 < Rob235> yea I noticed that looking at the datasheet timing diagram
2015-11-23T06:25:12 < zyp> but when it's signalling a 1, it's simply releasing the bus, letting it be pulled up by a resistor
2015-11-23T06:26:27 < Rob235> so when setting up the gpio pin I set it to open drain and pull up? or no pull
2015-11-23T06:26:37 < Rob235> i guess it would need to be pull up
2015-11-23T06:26:40 < zyp> and since the resistor generates less of a current, it takes much longer to rise, because of the capacitance of the bus
2015-11-23T06:26:48 < Rob235> or does the peripheral do that itself
2015-11-23T06:26:53 < zyp> you have to do it
2015-11-23T06:26:56 < Rob235> ok
2015-11-23T06:27:15 < zyp> but the internal pullup is pretty weak, you might want to use external resistors for that purpose
2015-11-23T06:27:48 < zyp> especially if you're running fast mode and/or have a long bus
2015-11-23T06:28:25 < zyp> the latter is because a long bus has more capacitance, and thus needs more current to charge at a given rate
2015-11-23T06:28:51 < zyp> and fast mode is obvious
2015-11-23T06:29:03 < Rob235> gotcha, i'll see what happens without one first
2015-11-23T06:29:05 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/8YPt22V1
2015-11-23T06:29:17 < zyp> if you want it to run reliably at 400kHz, you'll need four times the current compared to what you'd need at 100kHz
2015-11-23T06:29:19 < Rob235> if you care to take a look and see if I'm setting it up correctly
2015-11-23T06:30:19 < zyp> at a glance it's probably fine
2015-11-23T06:30:58 < zyp> if it doesn't work, try 100kHz
2015-11-23T06:30:59 < Rob235> oh wait, i didn't set up the alternate function did i
2015-11-23T06:31:23 < zyp> which part is this?
2015-11-23T06:31:45 < Rob235> after setting up the gpio dont you need to set up the alternate function to i2c?
2015-11-23T06:32:19 < Rob235> GPIO_PinAFConfig
2015-11-23T06:34:04 < Rob235> after gpioinit do I just do something like this? GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOB, GPIO_PinSource10 | GPIO_PinSource11, GPIO_AF_I2C2);
2015-11-23T06:35:44 < Rob235> pretty sure thats correct
2015-11-23T06:39:09 < zyp> I would do it before
2015-11-23T06:39:55 < zyp> otherwise you'd configure the pin to be an output first, from some random source, and then select the source for it
2015-11-23T06:40:55 < zyp> which would probably cause a small glitch on the bus, as the device may be driving low before it gets the right source
2015-11-23T06:40:59 < Rob235> ahh ok, i'll try it, i have the AF set up after gpioinit for my ws2812 driver and it works but doesn't mean its correct
2015-11-23T06:41:47 < dongs> stoned
2015-11-23T06:41:55 < Rob235> im jealous, im out
2015-11-23T06:42:23 < zyp> well, ws2812 protocol is low when idle, and a single out of place pulse shouldn't cause any desync issues or anything
2015-11-23T06:43:08 < Rob235> as long as there is a 50 us delay after the out of place pulse right
2015-11-23T06:44:07 < zyp> but a glitch on the i2c bus might put a slave in an invalid state that ends up with it getting out of sync and doing unexpected stuff, deadlocking the entire bus since it's bidirectional with flow control
2015-11-23T06:44:12 < Rob235> because I did notice it goes high then low but thought that was just initialization, i'll use my logic analyzer tomorrow to see what changes
2015-11-23T06:44:36 < Rob235> i see
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2015-11-23T06:45:04 < zyp> ws2812 is unidirectional, and resets state after 50us, so even if the first update gets fucked up, it'll get corrected on the next one anyway
2015-11-23T06:45:48 < Rob235> yea
2015-11-23T06:45:50 < zyp> these glitches would probably be too short to fuck up stuff in most cases, but still it's good practice to select an output before enabling it
2015-11-23T06:45:55 < zyp> so just make it a habit
2015-11-23T06:46:31 < zyp> same goes for stuff like timers
2015-11-23T06:46:39 < zyp> finish configuring it first, then start it
2015-11-23T06:47:50 < Rob235> yea the only thing out of place is the afconfig
2015-11-23T06:48:01 < zyp> some peripherals explicitly states that «these bits can only be changed when the enable bit is cleared», but even when they don't, it's usually a good idea
2015-11-23T06:48:37 < zyp> it's weird that AF is not a part of GPIO_InitStruct
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2015-11-23T06:49:04 < zyp> I don't use that lib, so I'm not familiar with it, but it seems weird to have most of GPIO config in that struct, but AF number elsewhere
2015-11-23T06:49:23 < zyp> have you checked that there's no field for AF number in it?
2015-11-23T06:50:15 < Rob235> I've looked, never saw anything and all sample code ive seen uses the afconfig function
2015-11-23T06:50:24 < zyp> maybe they kept the same struct from F1 for compatibility reasons
2015-11-23T06:50:29 < zyp> F1 doesn't have AF numbers
2015-11-23T06:51:29 < zyp> it has a much more confusing way of mapping functions to pins, which is the main reason I won't use F1 for anything :)
2015-11-23T06:52:25 < dongs> yeah AF is quite annoying there
2015-11-23T06:52:30 < dongs> 'o well
2015-11-23T06:52:33 < dongs> its cheap~~
2015-11-23T06:53:09 < zyp> and easy enough to deal with once somebody have already figured out a combination that works
2015-11-23T06:53:41 < zyp> I don't mind writing firmware for existing F1 shit, but I won't bother using it in new designs
2015-11-23T06:54:15 < zyp> hmm
2015-11-23T06:54:37 < emeb_mac> the new HAL libs from ST integrate the AF stuff into the GPIO structure
2015-11-23T06:54:53 < dongs> good thing nobody cares about the hal!
2015-11-23T06:54:56 < zyp> dongs, how much cheaper is F1 than the F3 I've been getting for arcin?
2015-11-23T06:55:02 < zyp> like $3 cheaper?
2015-11-23T06:55:05 < dongs> probly half
2015-11-23T06:55:09 < dongs> tho
2015-11-23T06:55:13 < dongs> your F3 is a common one
2015-11-23T06:55:16 < dongs> so its cheaper
2015-11-23T06:55:16 < zyp> more like $2 then
2015-11-23T06:55:21 < zyp> or what?
2015-11-23T06:55:22 < emeb_mac> unless they're using F7 and can't use stdperiph
2015-11-23T06:55:27 < zyp> IIRC the F3 is $4.3
2015-11-23T06:55:28 < dongs> unsure, i'd have to actually ask/check
2015-11-23T06:55:33 < dongs> yeah it should baround 2.something then
2015-11-23T06:55:40 < zyp> right
2015-11-23T06:56:02 < emeb_mac> I got some F3 parts from future for about $3 in 5qty
2015-11-23T06:56:04 < dongs> why woudl y ou change arcin to F1 tho
2015-11-23T06:56:08 < zyp> that means that so far I've spent around $1200 extra to avoid dealing with F1 GPIO bullshit :)
2015-11-23T06:56:21 < zyp> I wouldn't
2015-11-23T06:56:24 < dongs> ah
2015-11-23T06:56:39 < Rob235> what are you making 600 of?
2015-11-23T06:56:44 < zyp> if I did, I'd change to L0 and go crystalless
2015-11-23T06:57:11 < emeb_mac> L0 because M0+ core?
2015-11-23T06:57:13 < dongs> pro things
2015-11-23T06:57:16 < dongs> emeb_mac: yea
2015-11-23T06:57:18 < zyp> emeb_mac, yeah
2015-11-23T06:57:20 < dongs> cuz he hates M0 bootloader
2015-11-23T06:57:24 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-11-23T06:57:24 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T06:57:58 < emeb_mac> I remember that the alt boot stuff was an issue
2015-11-23T06:58:00 < zyp> custom bootloader is a requirement, arcin bootloader is super convenient for its purpose
2015-11-23T06:58:28 < emeb_mac> or switch over to Atmel SAMD11
2015-11-23T06:58:37 < emeb_mac> crystalless and m0+
2015-11-23T06:58:51 < zyp> what does it do better than L0?
2015-11-23T06:59:04 < emeb_mac> probably nothing.
2015-11-23T06:59:19 < dongs> whath appen to that ide fpga thing
2015-11-23T06:59:23 < zyp> then I'll stay with what my code already supports
2015-11-23T06:59:28 < emeb_mac> seems more expensive and the IO architecture is nasty
2015-11-23T06:59:39 < zyp> dongs, too little time to dick around with HDL
2015-11-23T07:00:09 < emeb_mac> no fucks to give
2015-11-23T07:00:19 < zyp> oh, and I let other guy borrow my waveshare board to dick around with firmware for that F4 stuff I did half a year ago
2015-11-23T07:00:30 < Rob235> I gotta stop going to sleep at 3-4am, midnight now, night guys
2015-11-23T07:00:37 < zyp> and I haven't cared to look more at it after I got it back
2015-11-23T07:00:39 < zyp> heh
2015-11-23T07:00:41 < zyp> 6am here
2015-11-23T07:00:48  * jadew has an ear infection... didn't know this stuff hurts so bad
2015-11-23T07:01:05 < zyp> I was about to go to bed four hours ago, but then I lacked a book to read
2015-11-23T07:01:14 < dongs> youre not supposed to stick dicks into ears
2015-11-23T07:01:26 < zyp> so I spent an hour or two looking at books
2015-11-23T07:01:29 < Rob235> you can stick dicks in your ears, they just have to pull out before they cum
2015-11-23T07:01:43 < jadew> yeah, well the problem is on the inside
2015-11-23T07:01:48 < zyp> and then people started discussing interesting shit here
2015-11-23T07:01:53 < zyp> so I forgot all about it
2015-11-23T07:02:20 < emeb_mac> so distractable
2015-11-23T07:02:26 < emeb_mac> sleep is for the weak
2015-11-23T07:03:03 < zyp> at least I bought «The End of All Things», so I got something done
2015-11-23T07:03:16 < emeb_mac> scalzi
2015-11-23T07:03:19 < zyp> now I just have to go to bed before I get too tired to start on it
2015-11-23T07:03:21 < zyp> yep
2015-11-23T07:03:21 < emeb_mac> haven't read that one yet
2015-11-23T07:03:47 < zyp> I enjoyed the other ones in the series last year
2015-11-23T07:03:57 < emeb_mac> OMW series is good
2015-11-23T07:04:03 < zyp> yes
2015-11-23T07:04:17 < zyp> didn't know this book existed until today
2015-11-23T07:04:28 < emeb_mac> even my mom liked 'em and she's in her 70s
2015-11-23T07:04:35 < zyp> but it made the choice easy when I saw it
2015-11-23T07:04:46 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T07:05:01 < zyp> I've recommended it to a few friends who ended up liking it as well
2015-11-23T07:05:10 < emeb_mac> kind of appropriate for old folks :)
2015-11-23T07:05:45 < jadew> few people read nowdays
2015-11-23T07:05:47 < emeb_mac> get old, trade in body for military service
2015-11-23T07:05:52 < jadew> how do you find the time?
2015-11-23T07:06:13 < emeb_mac> i know right? too much facebooking to do!
2015-11-23T07:06:27 < dongs> when the fuck do you get time to read shit
2015-11-23T07:06:29 < zyp> jadew, I usually read a bit after going to bed, before going to sleep
2015-11-23T07:06:31 < jadew> I don't do facebook, but I wouldn't have time for a book
2015-11-23T07:06:35 < dongs> betweeen pro blogging and assburgering i have zero time left
2015-11-23T07:06:46 < jadew> zyp, that's nice
2015-11-23T07:06:56 < jadew> I guess it puts you in a good mood for sleep
2015-11-23T07:07:07 < jadew> yeah, I don't have that time before bed either
2015-11-23T07:07:19 < zyp> yeah, except when the book is too exciting
2015-11-23T07:07:21 < jadew> when I go to bed, I'm wasted
2015-11-23T07:07:35 < zyp> a too good book can ruin sleep
2015-11-23T07:07:42 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I get that, but for me it would be like watching a movie without doing anything else at the same time
2015-11-23T07:08:00 < jadew> you can't write code or do electronics while watching a book
2015-11-23T07:08:04 < jadew> *reading a book
2015-11-23T07:08:09 < zyp> true
2015-11-23T07:08:55 < jadew> my guess is that I have shit time management skills
2015-11-23T07:09:21 < jadew> if I could find say... an hour for reading a book, I'd go to the gym instead
2015-11-23T07:09:38 < zyp> see, there's your problem
2015-11-23T07:09:48 < zyp> I'm a lazy fuck without a gym membership
2015-11-23T07:09:53 < jadew> same here
2015-11-23T07:09:55 < emeb_mac> read at the gym!
2015-11-23T07:09:59 < jadew> but I'd like to change that
2015-11-23T07:10:07 < jadew> emeb_mac, that's a nice thought
2015-11-23T07:10:13 < dongs> lies, you'd go recompile kernel
2015-11-23T07:10:21 < zyp> me too, kinda, but eh
2015-11-23T07:11:00 < zyp> lately I've been biking a bunch
2015-11-23T07:11:05 < emeb_mac> when I got laid off of a job 12yrs ago I started riding my bike every day for exercise while I was looking for work.
2015-11-23T07:11:08 < zyp> or pretending to, at least
2015-11-23T07:11:09 < emeb_mac> still doing it.
2015-11-23T07:11:26 < jadew> zyp, that's good exercise too
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2015-11-23T07:11:31 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-23T07:11:47 < jadew> I started doing that this year and in the first day I managed to do a face plant
2015-11-23T07:11:48 < dongs> ya i try to do ~15km on bike daily weather permitting
2015-11-23T07:11:58 < zyp> I bought a bike four years ago, thinking I could use it to bike to work
2015-11-23T07:12:00 < jadew> my arm hurt for a month+
2015-11-23T07:12:01 < dongs> seriously cuts down on my blogging
2015-11-23T07:12:15 < zyp> found out I didn't have stamina for that shit
2015-11-23T07:12:22 < jadew> hah
2015-11-23T07:12:24 < dongs> how far is work?
2015-11-23T07:12:36 < dongs> i used to bike to work when i actualyl worked for someone
2015-11-23T07:12:44 < dongs> back in like early 2000s
2015-11-23T07:12:46 < zyp> I used it to work exactly once, last uphill almost killed me
2015-11-23T07:13:06 < jadew> hehe
2015-11-23T07:13:07 < dongs> lol, apple used Qi charger in crapplewatch
2015-11-23T07:13:12 < dongs> but crippled it just enough so it doesnt work wiht standard Qi shit
2015-11-23T07:13:14 < zyp> I used to bike a lot as a teenager, then I got my drivers license and started driving everywhere instead
2015-11-23T07:13:15 < dongs> fucking cunts
2015-11-23T07:13:20 < jadew> I'm gonna take it out tomorrow
2015-11-23T07:13:20 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/apples_watch_charging_pad_qi/
2015-11-23T07:13:23 < jadew> today I've got stuff to do
2015-11-23T07:13:34 < zyp> so anyway, I bought a bike four years ago, sat almost unused here
2015-11-23T07:13:43 < jadew> zyp, same thing happened to me
2015-11-23T07:13:59 < jadew> and did exactly the same thing with the byke
2015-11-23T07:14:01 < jadew> bike
2015-11-23T07:14:12 < zyp> bought an ebike kit two months ago, now it's actually super fun to ride
2015-11-23T07:14:22 < jadew> what's a bike kit?
2015-11-23T07:14:29 < zyp> electric bike
2015-11-23T07:14:36 < emeb_mac> but but... less exercise!
2015-11-23T07:14:43 < jadew> ah
2015-11-23T07:14:47 < dongs> is it one of those assist shit
2015-11-23T07:14:48 < zyp> emeb_mac, no, way more since I'm actually using it
2015-11-23T07:14:49 < jadew> that's like... lazy bike? :)
2015-11-23T07:14:51 < dongs> where you cjust go uphill
2015-11-23T07:14:55 < jadew> good point
2015-11-23T07:15:07 < zyp> it's only 250W and only pedal assist, to comply with norwegian laws
2015-11-23T07:15:13 < emeb_mac> aha
2015-11-23T07:15:25 < zyp> so uphills doesn't kill me anymore
2015-11-23T07:15:30 < emeb_mac> no need for that here - flat as a pancake
2015-11-23T07:15:49 < zyp> and it's fun to go fast, so I mostly pedal as hard as I can as well :)
2015-11-23T07:16:31 < zyp> norwegian law says assist should be limited to 25km/h, but that's an option I can change on the display while reading, so fuck that :p
2015-11-23T07:17:23 < jadew> 25 km/h is still pretty fast
2015-11-23T07:17:45 < dongs> my chinaquad tops out at 40kmh i think
2015-11-23T07:17:56 < emeb_mac> 25 is like 15.5mph
2015-11-23T07:17:58 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/jl9Hx.JPG
2015-11-23T07:18:00 < dongs> on flat, probly ~20 max uphill
2015-11-23T07:18:26 < dongs> wehre does motor go?is that one of those dickstarter kits
2015-11-23T07:18:35 < emeb_mac> I normally go about 14 when I ride easy
2015-11-23T07:18:42 < zyp> motor is the black thing in front of the pedals
2015-11-23T07:18:43 < emeb_mac> mph
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2015-11-23T07:19:21 < dongs> does it actually help the pedals then?
2015-11-23T07:19:25 < dongs> and not back wheel?
2015-11-23T07:19:26 < emeb_mac> how does it connect to the drive?
2015-11-23T07:19:28 < zyp> yes
2015-11-23T07:19:32 < dongs> whirred
2015-11-23T07:20:32 < zyp> https://bmsbattery.com/ebike-kit/645-36v250w-bbs01-bafang-central-motor-ebike-kit.html <- this thing
2015-11-23T07:21:19 < zyp> I'm usually averaging around 25km/h on longer rides with mixed up/down
2015-11-23T07:21:50 < zyp> I guess I can do around 40 on flat if I pedal hard
2015-11-23T07:22:06 < dongs> hm my average on dailyride is around 18-20khm
2015-11-23T07:22:08 < zyp> and less uphill even with assist
2015-11-23T07:22:21 < dongs> -15min/14%max grade according to mytracks
2015-11-23T07:22:24 < dongs> which is bullshit usually
2015-11-23T07:22:29 < dongs> cuz gps altitude sux
2015-11-23T07:22:37 < dongs> max speed 46
2015-11-23T07:22:38 < dongs> heh
2015-11-23T07:22:39 < emeb_mac> interesting - it actually replaces your front sprocket and pedals
2015-11-23T07:22:49 < zyp> I got this kit in the start of october, and so far I've put just over 700km on it
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2015-11-23T07:24:15 < zyp> I recently figured that if I'm going to bike this much, I might as well get as much exercise as possible out of it, so I bought clipless pedals and shoes as well
2015-11-23T07:24:33 < dongs> my jap bikepal tried to tlel me somethin about that
2015-11-23T07:24:36 < dongs> whats that about?
2015-11-23T07:24:43 < dongs> he had some special fucking shoes that had something to do wiht pedals
2015-11-23T07:24:55 < emeb_mac> so you can pull as well as push
2015-11-23T07:24:55 < zyp> shoes clipping to pedals, yes
2015-11-23T07:25:05 < dongs> why is that a big deal?
2015-11-23T07:25:15 < emeb_mac> more exercise
2015-11-23T07:25:26 < zyp> you get a bit more power, use different muscles for pulling as well
2015-11-23T07:25:27 < emeb_mac> more efficient use of muscles
2015-11-23T07:25:41 < zyp> and it kinda feels comfy too
2015-11-23T07:26:21 < emeb_mac> is it some sort of twist lock?
2015-11-23T07:26:25 < zyp> one of my friends has a road bike with clipless pedals, so I tried that first when debating whether I should get it for my own
2015-11-23T07:26:53 < zyp> when I went back to my own bike afterwards, I found myself lifting my feet off the pedals a couple of times
2015-11-23T07:27:00 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-23T07:27:15 < zyp> you push down to clip in, twist the ankle out to unclip
2015-11-23T07:27:26 < emeb_mac> so you just need to learn the reflexes to get in/out w/o tipping off
2015-11-23T07:27:30 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/9kUJB.JPG
2015-11-23T07:27:33 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-23T07:28:11 < zyp> I almost stumbled once so far
2015-11-23T07:28:53 < zyp> I unclipped, then accidentially clipped back in as I were about to jump off the pedals
2015-11-23T07:29:51 < zyp> was about to fall over, but I managed to unclip again and catch myself
2015-11-23T07:30:38 < zyp> not going to try jumping off with both feet at once anymore :)
2015-11-23T07:32:49 < zyp> unclipping feels very intuitive so I don't think it'll be a huge concern either way
2015-11-23T07:33:40 < emeb_mac> I got hit by a car once. wonder if clips would have made that worse.
2015-11-23T07:33:50 < zyp> it's easier than clipping in, which requires some aligning of the shoe to the pedal
2015-11-23T07:33:55 < zyp> probably
2015-11-23T07:34:25 < emeb_mac> glad I was wearing a helmet that day
2015-11-23T07:35:03 < emeb_mac> banged my head on the pavement pretty good, but didn't do any damage. Back hurt for a while though.
2015-11-23T07:35:07 < zyp> like I've said to my friends; «it's so that when I crash, at least I don't fall off the bike»
2015-11-23T07:35:14 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-11-23T07:35:16 < dongs> yeah when i was riding to work japs kept trying to fucking hit me
2015-11-23T07:35:30 < jpa-> first day of snow biking today
2015-11-23T07:35:33 < dongs> i got at least 3 hits maybe more
2015-11-23T07:36:11 < emeb_mac> lady made a left turn at a light right into me. I got up, picked up the bike and walked home.
2015-11-23T07:36:42 < emeb_mac> she stopped, said "Sorry!" and I yelled something sarcastic at her and stormed away.
2015-11-23T07:36:52 < zyp> heh
2015-11-23T07:37:07 < jpa-> didn't even take her name? damage is not always immediately obvious
2015-11-23T07:37:20 < dongs> jpa-: thats why hes here now
2015-11-23T07:37:23 < emeb_mac> someone else at the scene convinced her to follow me and so she found me a few blocks away
2015-11-23T07:37:23 < dongs> the damage is done
2015-11-23T07:37:38 < zyp> I try to keep track of everybody around me and what they are doing when I'm riding
2015-11-23T07:37:39 < emeb_mac> I'd calmed down by then and we had a chat.
2015-11-23T07:37:44 < zyp> just like when I'm driving
2015-11-23T07:37:54 < emeb_mac> she gave me $40 to buy a new front wheel.
2015-11-23T07:38:18 < zyp> I don't trust other drivers when their intentions don't seem clear
2015-11-23T07:38:30 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-11-23T07:39:07 < jpa-> here no-one knows or follows the right-of-way rules for bikes
2015-11-23T07:39:15 < jpa-> so both bikes and cars stop randomly at intersections
2015-11-23T07:39:30 < emeb_mac> extra fun!
2015-11-23T07:39:44 < zyp> I just use the same mentality as when driving
2015-11-23T07:39:57 < jpa-> full-mental mode?
2015-11-23T07:40:05 < emeb_mac> I see so many bikes blow thru intersections
2015-11-23T07:40:12 < emeb_mac> I used to. No longer.
2015-11-23T07:40:53 < zyp> I yield when it seems sensible and go first when it seems sensible considering who it's easiest to stop and go for and who would be fastest through the intersection
2015-11-23T07:40:56 < emeb_mac> once got a $165 ticket for not stopping at a 4-way stop
2015-11-23T07:41:23 < zyp> assuming there's no lights
2015-11-23T07:42:33 < zyp> in the town I live, there's only a single lighted intersection, and the main purpose is the pedestrian crossing through it
2015-11-23T07:43:02 < zyp> it's a four way intersection, but it's really just a road with parking lots on either side of it
2015-11-23T07:43:37 < zyp> but I follow the lights
2015-11-23T07:44:05 < zyp> I was biking in a nearby city once, which is full of lights
2015-11-23T07:44:45 < zyp> passed another cyclist, then stopped for a red light
2015-11-23T07:44:57 < zyp> she just blew past me
2015-11-23T07:45:28 < zyp> and then I caught up with her and passed her again
2015-11-23T07:47:12 < zyp> it was kinda annoying, because it feels kinda pointless to follow a law when other people don't
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2015-11-23T07:48:42 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-11-23T07:48:54 < emeb_mac> except for that whole business of getting fined.
2015-11-23T07:49:17 < zyp> and I don't think running a red light on a bike is any better on a bike than in a car, and I wouldn't do it in a car
2015-11-23T07:52:02 < zyp> unless when there's a pedestrian crossing parallel to the road and it's green
2015-11-23T07:52:19 < zyp> if pedestrians can cross then so can I on a bike
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2015-11-23T07:53:10 < zyp> it happens sometimes when the intersections have patterns that incorporates turn lights
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2015-11-23T07:54:42 < zyp> like when the road from your left can turn left, so you can't go forward, but pedestrians can cross the road to your right
2015-11-23T08:00:19 < zyp> speaking of right of way rules
2015-11-23T08:01:12 < dongs> its right to bed time?
2015-11-23T08:01:19 < zyp> I once had an older woman come up to me in a grocery store, shouting in her most insulting tone «you are not quite right in the head»
2015-11-23T08:02:49 < zyp> because I didn't yield at an intersection, driving to the store
2015-11-23T08:04:06 < dongs> nice
2015-11-23T08:05:03 < zyp> she (and her husband, who was driving) were coming in the opposite direction on the same road as me, road to the grocery store was branching off to my left, so they would have right of way
2015-11-23T08:05:46 < dongs> so you failed?
2015-11-23T08:06:23 < zyp> I slowed down a little so that I would come in just behind them
2015-11-23T08:06:44 < zyp> but then they stopped completely in front of the intersection
2015-11-23T08:07:28 < zyp> so I figured fuck stopping and waiting for them to get moving again, and just went through it in front of them
2015-11-23T08:10:58 < zyp> my rule of thumb is that if you have right of way over me, but come to a complete stop when I'm close enough to the intersection to pass through it in a fraction of the time it'll take you to get moving again, then you've just resigned your right of way
2015-11-23T08:11:26 < zyp> apparently that makes me «not quite right in the head» :)
2015-11-23T08:15:43 < emeb_mac> old people. so shouty
2015-11-23T08:16:32 < zyp> and she weren't even driving herself
2015-11-23T08:17:59 < zyp> but who am I to dare go before her husband when the law says I have to wait!
2015-11-23T08:18:38 < emeb_mac> juveniles vacate my greensward!
2015-11-23T08:20:35 < zyp> hey, emeb_mac, do you have roundabouts over there?
2015-11-23T08:20:45 < zyp> or traffic circles or whatever you might call it
2015-11-23T08:20:48 < emeb_mac> zyp: yes
2015-11-23T08:20:56 < zyp> how common are they?
2015-11-23T08:21:12 < emeb_mac> they're not common though - maybe less than 1% of intersections.
2015-11-23T08:21:34 < emeb_mac> and they *really* confuse some people
2015-11-23T08:21:41 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T08:22:47 < emeb_mac> I knew a guy who was a planner for the highway dept. here. An old german immigrant - he lobbied hard to get roundabouts installed.
2015-11-23T08:23:09 < zyp> we've got a double digit number of them here
2015-11-23T08:23:19 < zyp> in addition to our single lighted crossing :)
2015-11-23T08:23:43 < emeb_mac> they're nice in that they don't need lights
2015-11-23T08:24:03 < zyp> they are nice in that they don't need you to stop if there's nobody to yield for
2015-11-23T08:24:29 < emeb_mac> they also tend to slow things down a bit, but yeah, stops are often not needed
2015-11-23T08:24:34 < zyp> and they are nice in that even with other cars using them, you can still find a window to merge into
2015-11-23T08:25:06 < zyp> to me they seem much more efficient than lights, at least for simple two lane roads
2015-11-23T08:25:13 < emeb_mac> many of ours have additional bypass lanes so if you're making an immediate turn you don't have to enter.
2015-11-23T08:25:49 < zyp> yeah, I see that on some larger ones here
2015-11-23T08:26:15 < emeb_mac> I think they're a good idea in general. Just need to educate the people on how to use them safely
2015-11-23T08:26:20 < dongs> http://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/09/samsung-galaxy-golden-3-certified-by-tenaa/
2015-11-23T08:26:24 < dongs> another dual-screen flipphone from samdung
2015-11-23T08:26:31 < dongs> hopefully it wont be $1800
2015-11-23T08:26:33 < dongs> like the last one
2015-11-23T08:26:34 < dongs> wtf
2015-11-23T08:26:59 < zyp> emeb_mac, well, the more common something is, the more you get exposed to it, the more you learn about it
2015-11-23T08:27:06 < jpa-> dongs: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/11/19/454   such quality sores
2015-11-23T08:27:28 < zyp> it's not strange people get confused by them if they are very uncommon
2015-11-23T08:28:00 < dongs> jpa-: wat
2015-11-23T08:28:31 < zyp> over here it's normal to use roundabouts on all new highway ramps, where the ramps connects to the normal roads
2015-11-23T08:28:58 < emeb_mac> zyp: that's also becoming common here.
2015-11-23T08:29:06 < zyp> so there's usually one on each side of the highway, with a road either over or under the highway connecting the two
2015-11-23T08:29:19 < emeb_mac> and for intersections in rural areas where they don't want to install power
2015-11-23T08:29:27 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T08:30:12 < zyp> oh, another thing I noticed when I were in the US last year
2015-11-23T08:30:26 < zyp> your roads doesn't have illumination?
2015-11-23T08:30:53 < dongs> jpa-: i dunno if I would replace data == NULL with (!data) unless there was a good rason
2015-11-23T08:30:56 < dongs> reason
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2015-11-23T08:31:46 < jpa-> yeah
2015-11-23T08:31:55 < jpa-> but i'd replace it with "!data" anytime
2015-11-23T08:32:07 < zyp> I went to visit some friends in VA, and when flying over there, there weren't much lights to see on the ground
2015-11-23T08:32:42 < emeb_mac> zyp: only in urban areas
2015-11-23T08:32:48 < zyp> when flying over norway you can see the highways like orange belts
2015-11-23T08:33:14 < emeb_mac> even far out in the sticks?
2015-11-23T08:33:15 < zyp> (where there's proper highways, roads in the north aren't lighted except where people live)
2015-11-23T08:33:50 < zyp> yeah, the entire 30km stretch from here to Oslo has lights
2015-11-23T08:34:03 < emeb_mac> yeah - even big freeways aren't lit in rural areas except at on/off ramps
2015-11-23T08:34:32 < dongs> pretty sure jap highways arent lit
2015-11-23T08:34:44 < dongs> thats what your headlights are for
2015-11-23T08:34:46 < zyp> in VA it seemed like there weren't a whole lot of lights anywhere
2015-11-23T08:34:55 < dongs> virginia?
2015-11-23T08:34:58 < zyp> yes
2015-11-23T08:35:09 < dongs> they're saving the energy for the top secret government installations
2015-11-23T08:35:14 < zyp> got some friends living around Richmond
2015-11-23T08:36:33 < zyp> headlights are fine, but on a trafficated road you can't use your high-beams much since there's a bunch of opposing traffic or cars in front of you
2015-11-23T08:36:53 < zyp> which limits how far you can see, and seeing far is important when driving fast, so you have time to react
2015-11-23T08:37:06 < zyp> I guess that's the rationale
2015-11-23T08:37:52 < zyp> in the north where my parents live, the roads are much less trafficated, so I'm well used to using high-beams
2015-11-23T08:38:03 < zyp> but here in the south I rarely need to
2015-11-23T08:38:27 < emeb_mac> I hardly ever use highbeam. just don't do much driving where it would be polite.
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2015-11-23T08:38:41 < zyp> emeb_mac, exactly
2015-11-23T08:38:54 < zyp> that's why there's lights on the roads instead
2015-11-23T08:40:19 < emeb_mac> zyp: here in Arizona we've got a lot of astronomy sites. There are controls on how / where streetlights are used in order to keep the skies dark.
2015-11-23T08:40:23 < zyp> then again, I guess the amount of energy required to light up the few stretches of busy roads we have in norway is fairly small, compared to what would be required over there
2015-11-23T08:40:44 < emeb_mac> true
2015-11-23T08:40:58 < zyp> light pollution is also a point
2015-11-23T08:40:59 < emeb_mac> > 48k miles of interstate hwy
2015-11-23T08:42:02 < zyp> there's some greenhouses with growlights just behind a hill from where I live
2015-11-23T08:42:27 < zyp> on nights with low clouds/haze they are very visible
2015-11-23T08:43:07 < zyp> I remember it was really foggy once, looked like the entire hill was on fire
2015-11-23T08:44:04 < emeb_mac> zzzzz time here. gn.
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2015-11-23T09:05:49 < dongs> Hi3518E in samples is $4
2015-11-23T09:06:00 < dongs> 1/4 of PIC32MZ
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2015-11-23T09:13:07 < bloated> http://i.imgur.com/Z8StsLQ.jpg
2015-11-23T09:13:22 < dongs> seen
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2015-11-23T09:20:46 < upgrdman> r2com, dongs, http://imgur.com/gallery/GnZMR
2015-11-23T09:21:22 < dongs> kept scrolling looking for one shaped of a dick
2015-11-23T09:21:26 < dongs> much disappoint
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2015-11-23T10:26:40 < dongs> 072-disco delivered
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2015-11-23T10:29:09 < dongs> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/30/229221/ask-slashdot-can-you-say-something-nice-about-systemd
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2015-11-23T11:30:17 < dongs> zyp, 100k STM32F427IIH6 in stock
2015-11-23T11:30:25 < dongs> i suspect it might be cheap
2015-11-23T11:30:59 < zyp> why are you telling me?
2015-11-23T11:31:08 < dongs> duno, incase you wanna do something dumb w/it
2015-11-23T11:31:13 < zyp> I is 144pin?
2015-11-23T11:31:17 < dongs> no, its 176bga
2015-11-23T11:31:20 < zyp> oh
2015-11-23T11:31:31 < zyp> is it rev3? :D
2015-11-23T11:31:42 < zyp> haha, fuck that shit
2015-11-23T11:31:42 < dongs> haha, at 100k? who knows
2015-11-23T11:32:22 < dongs> UFBGA176 (10 x 10 mm)
2015-11-23T11:32:31 < zyp> nice size
2015-11-23T11:32:33 < zyp> 0.8?
2015-11-23T11:32:47 < dongs> 0.65................
2015-11-23T11:32:49 < dongs> fucking ST
2015-11-23T11:32:54 < zyp> oh
2015-11-23T11:33:04 < zyp> guess that's too small for cheap
2015-11-23T11:33:10 < dongs> yep
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2015-11-23T11:33:45 < dongs> needs .1mm traces (3.93mil) to route it out
2015-11-23T11:33:57 < dongs> and inner 2 rows are fucked either way
2015-11-23T11:34:40 < dongs> ah i asked another place, they dont have ST95 thing either
2015-11-23T11:35:57 < dongs> NCP1377BDR2G
2015-11-23T11:36:04 < dongs> checking wat this is, wanna use just cuz of part#
2015-11-23T11:37:11 < dongs> looks like some super weird shit
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2015-11-23T11:47:18 < PeterM> 0.65 isnt too bad - i think u&i can do that pretty cheap
2015-11-23T11:55:44 < karlp> is u&i that korean place readerror got from recently that he liked?
2015-11-23T11:56:24 < karlp> dongs: what's so cool about the name?
2015-11-23T11:57:11 < PeterM> karlp, yeah
2015-11-23T11:59:23 < PeterM> i think the non-populated rows in the middle of the 176 makes it possible to break out all balls, central 9 balls straight to vias, outer central balls to vias i the depopulated ring, inner ring to vias in depopulated balls, next ring straight to vias, outer two rings straight out and to vias
2015-11-23T12:00:12 < PeterM> doable wiht 4/4 and 0.2mm hole with 0.1mm annular (so 0.4mm via)
2015-11-23T12:18:54 < zyp> i.e. 16/8 vias
2015-11-23T12:29:01 < Fleck> dongs: send few to me
2015-11-23T12:31:52 < PeterM> zyp i dont think 16/8 vias are that bad
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2015-11-23T13:06:03 < Taxman> PeterM: What is 4/4? 4 Layer and?
2015-11-23T13:06:57 < jadew> 4 tracks
2015-11-23T13:07:04 < jadew> 1 per each layer
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2015-11-23T13:09:46 < ReadError> 4 mil tracks / 4 mil clearance
2015-11-23T13:09:59 < jadew> ah
2015-11-23T13:11:35 < PeterM> as ReadError said, trace and space
2015-11-23T13:12:22 < PeterM> 4mil is 0.1mm (well, 3.94mil is 0.1mm iirc)
2015-11-23T13:12:50 < ReadError> I *think* if you want that on inner layers you need to select 0.5oz
2015-11-23T13:13:03 < ReadError> 1oz inners is a bit higer
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2015-11-23T13:15:02 < Taxman> Thanks. And who is u&i
2015-11-23T13:15:05 < PeterM> yeah 4/4 is 0.5oz inner 1oz outter
2015-11-23T13:17:43 < ReadError> http://quickturnpcb.co.kr/
2015-11-23T13:19:57 < Taxman> hmmm he seems not to do free stencil
2015-11-23T13:20:16 < ReadError> i dont think they do stencils
2015-11-23T13:20:21 < Taxman> i need something like PCB-Pool with free stencil, but for <0.2mm track width
2015-11-23T13:20:32 < Taxman> and <0.2mm drills
2015-11-23T13:22:41 < ReadError> ive yet to find a china place like that which will do 0.2mm drills
2015-11-23T13:24:57 < jadew> I thought all of them do
2015-11-23T13:25:18 < ReadError> most are 12mil drill min
2015-11-23T13:26:18 < jadew> give me a sec my kb driver is installing
2015-11-23T13:27:26 < PeterM> if you pay $$$ hackvana does 0.2mm drills and 4/4, but you gotta pay, and the ordering process isnt automated which is annoying.
2015-11-23T13:27:44 < jadew> http://support.seeedstudio.com/knowledgebase/articles/671566-what-is-the-minimum-trace-width
2015-11-23T13:28:00 < ReadError> well for trace
2015-11-23T13:28:03 < ReadError> look at drill hits
2015-11-23T13:28:34 < PeterM> min 0.3mm drills, disgusting
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2015-11-23T13:38:00 < tecdroid> hi
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2015-11-23T14:12:44 < Tectu> zyp, ping
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2015-11-23T15:27:01 < Sync> ReadError: oh wow they are super cheap for what they do
2015-11-23T15:34:48 < ReadError> Sync ya han is a good guy too
2015-11-23T15:34:55 < ReadError> he will panelize for you
2015-11-23T15:35:50 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/AfUpR
2015-11-23T15:36:03 < Sync> although shipping is spendy
2015-11-23T15:36:09 < ReadError> that is there 'prototype special'
2015-11-23T15:36:27 < ReadError> yea, but its always been 'next day'
2015-11-23T15:36:33 < ReadError> fedex intl express
2015-11-23T15:36:41 < Sync> k, yeah that is okay then
2015-11-23T15:39:03 < dongs> any zano news
2015-11-23T15:40:01 < Sync> still ded
2015-11-23T15:41:01 < artag> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-34878162
2015-11-23T15:41:04 < dongs> OH MY GOD
2015-11-23T15:41:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lEsr22z.png
2015-11-23T15:41:45 < dongs> !!!
2015-11-23T15:41:49 < dongs> im now super famous
2015-11-23T15:42:30 < artag> you're being tracked by an assassin drone
2015-11-23T15:42:59 < karlp> stm32h7, dual m7/m4...
2015-11-23T15:43:02 < artag> fortunately for you, it has a range of 1 mile
2015-11-23T15:43:25 < karlp> two meg flash, and the "biggest amount of ram ever in stm32, 1.3meg"
2015-11-23T15:43:31 < dongs> woa
2015-11-23T15:44:03 < karlp> DSI interface foryou dongs
2015-11-23T15:44:13 < dongs> haha ivan removed all references to zano/torquing/etc from his dicked'in
2015-11-23T15:44:17 < Sync> amaze dongs
2015-11-23T15:44:26 < dongs> the only job he has left is
2015-11-23T15:44:26 < dongs> Passionate creator and inventor of technology
2015-11-23T15:44:27 < dongs> Self - Employed
2015-11-23T15:44:27 < dongs> November 2015 . Present (1 month)United Kingdom
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2015-11-23T15:46:02 < Sync> karlp: wat?
2015-11-23T15:46:22 < karlp> new parts taping out.
2015-11-23T15:46:33 < Sync> k
2015-11-23T15:46:40 < Sync> don't see any mention on st yet
2015-11-23T15:47:31 < karlp> 40nm, some bits about running DMA in stop mode, new power archictecture, new adcs, says 14-16bit, 300Mhz, targetting up to 400mhz, 140C operation, ECC for flash/sram
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2015-11-23T15:48:12 < karlp> "And many other innovating features to keep our leadership"
2015-11-23T15:48:32 < dongs> ohh, 40nm
2015-11-23T15:48:33 < karlp> DSI 2x1Gb/sec for dongs.
2015-11-23T15:48:42 < karlp> yeah, says it's their first 40nm part
2015-11-23T15:50:46 < Sync> oh wow, they actually have 40nm in grenoble
2015-11-23T15:50:51 < Sync> I did now know that
2015-11-23T15:51:40 < Sync> where teh fuck is that from karlp, can't find anything
2015-11-23T15:51:59 < karlp> from "sources"
2015-11-23T15:52:15 < Sync> k
2015-11-23T15:52:18 < karlp> what good is irc for if not leaking...
2015-11-23T15:52:24 < Sync> ^
2015-11-23T15:52:28 < dongs> trolling
2015-11-23T15:52:31 < dongs> and getting packated
2015-11-23T15:52:32 < dongs> packeted
2015-11-23T15:52:34 < Sync> ovb
2015-11-23T15:52:51 < Sync> well, not really getting packeted, but testing your providers ddos protection
2015-11-23T16:00:30 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/TVZGGo.jpg
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2015-11-23T16:19:05 < Sync> ReadError: will he pool shipping so that you can leverage ordering multiple designes?
2015-11-23T16:19:14 < ReadError> yup
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2015-11-23T16:22:19 < trepidacious> Anyone know of a decent cheap available Atom SBC? Kind of fancied trying one to see whether it solves the pain of getting vaguely recent, functional Linux on an SBC
2015-11-23T16:22:26 < trepidacious> Edison seems ok but maybe a little slow.
2015-11-23T16:22:59 < trepidacious> This looks interesting but probably won't ship for years ;) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa
2015-11-23T16:29:06 < jubatus> is the SBC form factor a precondition ?
2015-11-23T16:29:22 < jubatus> there are plenty of Atom motherboards designed for Media PCs that are really tiny.
2015-11-23T16:29:39 < jubatus> and cheap as second hand condoms.
2015-11-23T16:29:42 < karlp> is x86 a precondition?
2015-11-23T16:30:50 < dongs> trepidacious: any china atom tablet??
2015-11-23T16:31:55 < trepidacious> Yeah I really need to specify more... I guess something that will be available for a while, and is intended for embedding in products, or has open source design files
2015-11-23T16:32:24 < trepidacious> x86 isn't really a precondition, I've just tried a few arm SBCs now and they all seem a bit slow and flaky
2015-11-23T16:32:28 < trepidacious> could just be me though :(
2015-11-23T16:32:38 < jubatus> somewhat related: are these things hackable or are there undocumented binary blobs in them: http://www.dx.com/p/mk808-dual-core-android-4-1-1-google-tv-player-w-1gb-ram-8gb-rom-wi-fi-tf-hdmi-160535 ?
2015-11-23T16:33:04 < trepidacious> The form factor just needs to be smallish, and it would be great if it was somewhere round $100 max
2015-11-23T16:33:23 < karlp> jubatus: varies, some are good, some are problematic, they're all getting better
2015-11-23T16:33:27 < karlp> that's a real old one.
2015-11-23T16:33:38 < dongs> ancient rockchip
2015-11-23T16:33:49 < jubatus> yeah I just pulled it up on google randomly
2015-11-23T16:34:03 < karlp> most of them can run linux with the original android kernel, running mainline can be problematic, but rockchips dudes and allwinner dudes are all contirbuting upstream these days
2015-11-23T16:34:14 < dongs> do tehy?
2015-11-23T16:34:21 < dongs> all our allwhiner projects are still using ancient garbage
2015-11-23T16:36:08 < karlp> rockchip definitely, I've been told allwhiner too, but haven't followed it.
2015-11-23T16:36:34 < karlp> mtk is still out int he "hahhah, you want to run source on it? habla nein anglais mofo, get the fuck out"
2015-11-23T16:37:07 < karlp> jubatus: also, $40 fo the mk808 is wayyyy overpriced these days
2015-11-23T16:37:08 < dongs> hehe
2015-11-23T16:37:41 < trepidacious> Would be great to have a cheapish, fastish ARM with actual, reliable mainline kernel support
2015-11-23T16:37:44 < jubatus> $40 is cheap, but if they're available cheaper, I won't protest :p
2015-11-23T16:38:56 < karlp> http://www.dx.com/p/mk809iv-android-4-4-tv-box-dongle-quad-core-8gb-mini-pc-kodi-xbmc-h-265-wi-fi-413659#.VlMk7Xw82V4 gets you twice the cores, and much much much better mainline kernel support
2015-11-23T16:38:59 < jubatus> on dx.com the MTK chipset devices seem to outnumber the others.
2015-11-23T16:39:01 < karlp> and 25% cheaper...
2015-11-23T16:39:22 < karlp> rk3188 and rk3288 have relatively decent mainline support these days.
2015-11-23T16:39:26 < dongs> trepidacious: atmel stuff then??
2015-11-23T16:39:37 < dongs> or i duno, TI, etc?
2015-11-23T16:39:41 < dongs> TRUE MADE IN AMERICA
2015-11-23T16:39:42 < dongs> beagleboner
2015-11-23T16:39:44 < dongs> isnt that mainline?
2015-11-23T16:39:51 < karlp> yeah
2015-11-23T16:40:00 < trepidacious> beaglebone is pretty slow though
2015-11-23T16:40:18 < karlp> compared to what?
2015-11-23T16:40:25 < dongs> beagleboner GPU is awful
2015-11-23T16:41:44 < trepidacious> karlp: Ah no it was the 512MB RAM that put me off the beaglebone
2015-11-23T16:41:59 < Sync> noice ReadError
2015-11-23T16:43:09 < dongs> 512 is *plenty* for stuff , no?
2015-11-23T16:44:34 < trepidacious> dongs: No doubt there will be much mocking, but I want to run some slightly heavier Java stuff on it...
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2015-11-23T16:44:45 < dongs> ah :(
2015-11-23T16:44:46 < trepidacious> Probably it would still be fine
2015-11-23T16:44:58 < dongs> i think if you're just CLI stuff I think its more than fine
2015-11-23T16:45:18 < trepidacious> Yup it would be network only, no screen
2015-11-23T16:45:34 < dongs> <trepidacious> I wanna run a l33t minecraft server
2015-11-23T16:45:50 < trepidacious> dongs: Heh yeah ;) That would be much more fun :)
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2015-11-23T16:46:46 < trepidacious> I was looking at the dragonboard 410c, I'm kind of sick of getting SBCs and finding they are pretty much held together with string on an old kernel and 100 open bug reports on basic stuff not working :)
2015-11-23T16:47:39 < dongs> http://www.grandideastudio.com/portfolio/emic-2-text-to-speech-module/
2015-11-23T16:47:42 < dongs> why does this even exist
2015-11-23T16:47:43 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-11-23T16:47:49 < dongs> parallalx lol
2015-11-23T16:49:30 < dongs> the processors on that board are another wtf
2015-11-23T16:49:32 < dongs> some fucking coldfire thing
2015-11-23T16:49:39 < dongs> and no idea wat that epson shite is
2015-11-23T16:51:25 < dongs> oh, i was gonna sleep
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2015-11-23T16:54:03 < jpa-> dongs: what is wtf about that?
2015-11-23T16:54:44 < jpa-> except the crappy text-to-speech engine they have used
2015-11-23T16:54:51 < jpa-> even festival would have been 10x better
2015-11-23T16:55:59 < dongs> jpa-: well i duno, i guess parallax likes to make dumb shit
2015-11-23T16:56:02 < dongs> but coldfire?
2015-11-23T16:56:05 < dongs> 80's speech synth?
2015-11-23T16:56:13 < dongs> the wtf's are just piling up
2015-11-23T16:56:27 < dongs> what is their target audience?
2015-11-23T16:56:37 < jpa-> tarduinos
2015-11-23T16:56:37 < dongs> emeb made speech synth on a $10 -discovery board
2015-11-23T16:57:17 < jpa-> oh? sample anywhere?
2015-11-23T16:57:24 < dongs> https://github.com/emeb/f051_discovery_talk
2015-11-23T16:57:29 < dongs> its been tweeted in here before
2015-11-23T16:57:37 < dongs> i duno if he has a jewtub sample of it playing, maybe somewhere on his site
2015-11-23T16:58:58 < jpa-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCUUyzJx_f8  seems pretty good for words within the dictionary
2015-11-23T16:59:25 < dongs> nice
2015-11-23T16:59:36 < dongs> probly sounds way better on cortex-m
2015-11-23T16:59:42 < dongs> without tarduino AIDS
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2015-11-23T17:00:08 < jpa-> yeah, or especially with an actual DAC instead of pwm
2015-11-23T17:00:27 < dongs> i gotta revisit my DMA playback shit this week
2015-11-23T17:00:33 < dongs> its still not working :)
2015-11-23T17:00:41 < dongs> i think the 051-demo uses PWM
2015-11-23T17:01:18 < dongs> now really bed
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2015-11-23T17:11:48 < englishman> dongs where did you get sameday 072 disco lol
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2015-11-23T17:27:44 < englishman> $10 is on the expensive side for that crap no?
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2015-11-23T17:34:27 < Laurenceb> lol why is the top link to ITU frequency allocations pointing to davidicke.com
2015-11-23T17:37:20 < Laurenceb> aha mark of the devil stuff
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2015-11-23T18:21:12 < karlp> englishman: *shrugs* I've got one I paid about ~4$ for, and it's pretty shitty.  poor display, just permanently back and forth between volts and amps on 7seg leds. so flyback 's one is nicer than mine, but still only goes to 10mA resolution
2015-11-23T18:22:11 < englishman> it shows capacity, thats pretty neat
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2015-11-23T18:27:56 < karlp> I've seen some for ~$25 or so that went down to milliamps and had coulomb counting stuff too. but fuck that, that's getting into real $ territory
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2015-11-23T18:43:07 < upgrdman_> if an adc can be config'd as unipolar or bipolar, bipolar means it can do positive and negative voltages, correct?
2015-11-23T18:44:20 < zyp> Tectu, what?
2015-11-23T18:44:52 < jpa-> upgrdman_: usually yeah
2015-11-23T18:45:02 < upgrdman_> thx
2015-11-23T18:45:39 < jpa-> sometimes unipolar can do negative also with funny differential arrangements
2015-11-23T18:45:57 < jpa-> and sometimes bipolar is just fake bipolar that has funny differential arrangements inside
2015-11-23T18:46:04 < jpa-> but yeah, i guess the end result is the same :P
2015-11-23T18:46:41 < upgrdman_> so the sampling time for the stm32 adc is adjustable. if it's set too fast, you get lots of noise in the readings. why? i mean, if the time is too quick, i would expect the sampling cap to be consitantly lower than the true voltage... but why the noise? is it because the sampling time is not tightly controlled?
2015-11-23T18:49:27 < jpa-> the sampling cap will cause current variations in the input, which can make whatever is driving it to oscillate
2015-11-23T18:49:34 < jpa-> adding a parallel cap usually helps
2015-11-23T18:50:08 < jpa-> but yeah, for pure resistive source you should simply see a change in voltage and not much added noise
2015-11-23T18:50:38 < upgrdman_> well for example, if you have a lipo battery, then a voltage divider... you can get lots of noise. yet i doubt the lipo voltage would be oscillating because of it
2015-11-23T18:51:08 < jpa-> hm, haven't tried it myself so can't say - do you have data to compare with various sampling times?
2015-11-23T18:51:14 < upgrdman_> well
2015-11-23T18:52:10 < upgrdman_> at 1MSPS it was super noisey. i didn't quantify it, but im guessing the lower 6 bits are noise. changing to the second fastest sampling time fixed it, and the noise is maybe 3 LSBs or less.
2015-11-23T18:52:45 < upgrdman_> err lower 3 bits, not 3 LSBs
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2015-11-23T18:53:16 < upgrdman_> i added a cap to the voltage divider, and its performs fine at any sampling period now.
2015-11-23T18:53:24 < upgrdman_> but im just trying to learn why
2015-11-23T18:53:37 < upgrdman_> my only guess is that the sampling time is not precise
2015-11-23T18:53:54 < upgrdman_> so maybe the sampling cap is connected for 1us, then 1.1us, then 0.95us, etc.
2015-11-23T18:54:21 < upgrdman_> which is fine. im running on the HSI and it's a 2 layer board.
2015-11-23T18:54:40 < jpa-> hm, the clock speed should be pretty accurate even with HSI
2015-11-23T18:54:44 < upgrdman_> actually maybe that's it... HSI. i should try an HSE and see if anything changes
2015-11-23T18:54:49 < upgrdman_> o ok
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2015-11-23T18:56:45 < jpa-> upgrdman_: how is your Vdda?
2015-11-23T18:57:08 < upgrdman_> looks clean
2015-11-23T18:57:42 < upgrdman_> but how what that affect this case where the only variable is sampling time?
2015-11-23T18:58:27 < jpa-> hm yeah, probably not
2015-11-23T18:59:07 < upgrdman_> oh well. no big deal. i just thought about this while eating dinner last night and had a wtf moment.
2015-11-23T18:59:47 < jpa-> generally ADCs are more sensitive to noise in Vdda than to noise in the signal itself
2015-11-23T19:03:32 < upgrdman_> makes sense
2015-11-23T19:06:03 < jpa-> upgrdman_: how long were the wires in the lipo - analog_in - analog_ground path?
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2015-11-23T19:07:57 < upgrdman_> maybe 100mm
2015-11-23T19:08:17 < upgrdman_> 100mm wire -> 0805 resistor divider -> 10mm to ADC pin
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2015-11-23T19:08:52 < upgrdman_> hmmm mouse now carried the beagle bone  http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seeed-Studio/102010027/?qs=Hlcjo%2fO3pQ5AxSET1oW%252b%252bg%3d%3d
2015-11-23T19:09:05 < ReadError> upgrdman_ did you have a motor or something running?
2015-11-23T19:09:16 < jpa-> hmm yeah.. so 0.3 ns length and 42 ns sampletime.. not likely to oscillate that much there either
2015-11-23T19:09:39 < jpa-> motors etc. could give funny aliasing but AFAIK that shouldn't be affected by sampling time
2015-11-23T19:09:41 < upgrdman_> ReadError, no
2015-11-23T19:10:07 < ReadError> ahh okay, had some issue a while back with that but fixed
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2015-11-23T19:17:51 < karlp> upgrdman_: you get serious noise/errors ifyou try and read even teh internal temp sensor too fast.
2015-11-23T19:18:07 < upgrdman_> lol ok
2015-11-23T19:18:50 < karlp> it's the kinda, "thiese numbers don't even make sense, wtf is this sensor doing?!" then you change teh sampling time and all of sudden you get tempeature readings.
2015-11-23T19:19:16 < karlp> I had to increase the sampling time on my AC sampling stuff too, to get decent readings.
2015-11-23T19:19:35 < karlp> fairly substantial differences. stupid analog world
2015-11-23T19:21:33 < Laurenceb> beagle bone sucks
2015-11-23T19:21:56 < upgrdman_> karlp, agreed.
2015-11-23T19:22:05 < upgrdman_> Laurenceb, your fav SBC is?
2015-11-23T19:25:18 < Laurenceb> PMIC, RTC, and power supply is horribly broken
2015-11-23T19:25:32 < Laurenceb> upgrdman_ yet to find a non broken one
2015-11-23T19:26:25 < upgrdman_> how so?
2015-11-23T19:26:49 < Laurenceb> I wanted something that can run from lipo, charge lipo, and sleep with <100µA current and RTC and ideally some saved ram, then wake on button press or usb
2015-11-23T19:26:52 < Laurenceb> as a datalogger
2015-11-23T19:27:14 < Laurenceb> beaglebone can do all that, but it takes a ton of pcb mods and some nasty hack to the boot scripts
2015-11-23T19:27:26 < Laurenceb> not ideal for making lots of dataloggers
2015-11-23T19:27:47 < Laurenceb> oh and battery voltage monitoring as well
2015-11-23T19:29:48 < Laurenceb> the beaglebone PMIC and SOC are designed to be able to do all that and more, but the beaglebone designers suck big time
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2015-11-23T19:35:44 < Laurenceb> of course this is all trivial with stm32 so if you dont need tons of cpu power at the time the data is gathered its a no brainer to use a custom stm32 board instead
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2015-11-23T19:38:30 < Laurenceb> I was going to use beaglebone for a video+datalogging system but opted for stm32 board and rooted gopro instead
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2015-11-23T20:44:49 < Tectu> how is Laurenceb these days?
2015-11-23T20:58:16 < Steffanx> How is Tectu these days?
2015-11-23T20:58:59 < Tectu> good, thanks
2015-11-23T20:59:02 < Tectu> how is Steffanx these days?
2015-11-23T20:59:16 < Steffanx> Im good
2015-11-23T21:01:03 < zyp> Tectu, what did you want?
2015-11-23T21:01:39 < Tectu> zyp, ask you how focal lenght translates to minimum distance to object
2015-11-23T21:01:43 < Tectu> Steffanx, glad to hear that
2015-11-23T21:02:09 < zyp> Tectu, it doesn't
2015-11-23T21:03:57 < Tectu> zyp, I see
2015-11-23T21:03:58 < zyp> the minimum distance is usually a specification listed on the lens, and I believe it's pretty constant across the zoom range for zoom lenses
2015-11-23T21:04:54 < Tectu> zyp, I saw that there are plenty of adapter tubes to fit different lenses to different cameras. Such an adapter has a length that is greater than zero... doesn´t that fuck up the whole optics part?
2015-11-23T21:05:22 < zyp> depends
2015-11-23T21:05:49 < zyp> different camera mounts have different distances between the mount flange and the sensor
2015-11-23T21:06:28 < zyp> obviously mirrorless systems have a way shorter distance than an SLR system
2015-11-23T21:06:51 < zyp> so with an appropriate adapter tube, you should be able to mount any SLR lens on a mirrorless camera
2015-11-23T21:07:10 < zyp> there's also differences between vendors
2015-11-23T21:08:08 < zyp> Canon EF has a distance around 1mm shorter than Nikon F, so you can get an 1mm thick adapter ring that'll let you mount a Nikon F lens on a Canon EF camera
2015-11-23T21:08:12 < Tectu> hmm, but there´s electronics, no?
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2015-11-23T21:08:49 < zyp> yeah, modern lenses have signalling to communicate aperture and focus among other stuff between the camera
2015-11-23T21:09:05 < zyp> the better adapters have circuitry to translate between them
2015-11-23T21:09:26 < zyp> otherwise you'd have to do without
2015-11-23T21:09:41 < zyp> i.e. manual focus
2015-11-23T21:09:59 < zyp> electronic lenses usually just leave the aperture at the widest
2015-11-23T21:10:13 < Tectu> hmm
2015-11-23T21:10:16 < zyp> but there's a bunch of older lenses with manual aperture adjustment as well
2015-11-23T21:10:30 < Tectu> some dude showed me some metabong adapters
2015-11-23T21:10:33 < Tectu> look pretty pricy
2015-11-23T21:10:36 < mitrax> metabones :)
2015-11-23T21:10:40 < mitrax> metadongs :D
2015-11-23T21:10:43 < Tectu> ah, that sounds more professional :D
2015-11-23T21:10:48 < zyp> they probably do signal translation
2015-11-23T21:11:21 < Tectu> reverse engineered? I don´t assume that vendors open sorez their protocols
2015-11-23T21:11:27 < zyp> yeah
2015-11-23T21:11:40 < zyp> just like third-party lens vendors have to do it
2015-11-23T21:12:28 < zyp> and usually you can get stuff from the vendor itself between it's own systems
2015-11-23T21:12:49 < zyp> like, canon sells an adapter that would let me mount my SLR lenses on a canon mirrorless camera
2015-11-23T21:12:53 < zyp> I assume sony does the same
2015-11-23T21:12:57 < upgrdman_> anyone done SSP? got some firmware that is using SSP to talk to an SPI peripheral. it's setup for 8bit transfers, but when i read from the FIFO, it seems to "loose" the LSB" and I only get the 7 MSBs of each byte.
2015-11-23T21:13:11 < zyp> what's SSP?
2015-11-23T21:13:32 < Tectu> zyp, thanks for the info
2015-11-23T21:13:38 < upgrdman_> The SSP is a Synchronous Serial Port (SSP) controller capable of operation on a SPI,
2015-11-23T21:13:38 < upgrdman_> 4-wire SSI, or Microwire bus.
2015-11-23T21:13:45 < upgrdman_> its on an lpc1768
2015-11-23T21:13:50 < zyp> oh, NXP
2015-11-23T21:13:59 < upgrdman_> ya :)
2015-11-23T21:14:01 < zyp> sounds like their name for SPI then
2015-11-23T21:14:12 < upgrdman_> well they also have SPI peripherals
2015-11-23T21:14:18 < zyp> heh, ok
2015-11-23T21:14:44 < zyp> Tectu, did you buy anything yet?
2015-11-23T21:14:54 < upgrdman_> so its weird. iirc SSP can do uh, wtf is it called. two wires that are opposite polarity for signaling
2015-11-23T21:15:13 < zyp> RS485?
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2015-11-23T21:23:29 < emeb> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34897404
2015-11-23T21:25:11 < mitrax> ahahahaah
2015-11-23T21:29:02 < Laurenceb> hi Tectu
2015-11-23T21:29:52 < Tectu> zyp, nope, didn´t spend any money yet
2015-11-23T21:29:55 < Tectu> Laurenceb, hey :)
2015-11-23T21:30:07 < Tectu> zyp, not sure if I am worth that camera just to take higher-quality crappy pictures
2015-11-23T21:30:34 < Laurenceb> Tectu I found a site for you www.where-to-find-prostitutes.com/
2015-11-23T21:31:09 < Steffanx> youre not Tectu :P
2015-11-23T21:31:14 < zyp> Tectu, well, there's certainly cheaper options
2015-11-23T21:31:47 < Tectu> zyp, not sure if buying cheap is worth it either. If I spend money I would like to spend it for something I can use for the next 5 to 10 years
2015-11-23T21:31:56 < Tectu> zyp, and in that regard the alpha 7 II looks like a fair investment
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2015-11-23T21:33:35 < zyp> sure, I'm just saying it's a rather highend combo
2015-11-23T21:33:59 < zyp> the camera being full frame and the lens having full image stabilization
2015-11-23T21:34:24 < Tectu> zyp, I feel like I will just never take it outside my electronics workshop besides vacation
2015-11-23T21:34:37 < Tectu> hence ~3k is a bit much :D
2015-11-23T21:34:40 < zyp> in that case, does size and weight matter?
2015-11-23T21:34:46 < Tectu> zyp, nope
2015-11-23T21:35:07 < zyp> then you could consider DSLR options as well, not just MILC
2015-11-23T21:35:37 < Tectu> zyp, I don´t see any advantage of a mirror camera besides the optical viewfinder which I don´t need
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2015-11-23T21:36:11 < Steffanx> if its for electronics and stuff better invest in some nice lightnig stuff etc?
2015-11-23T21:36:50 < zyp> Tectu, but you get more options to choose from, options that might be cheaper
2015-11-23T21:37:00 < Tectu> zyp, I would really love to have that Alpha 7 II with 90mm combo. It´s just that I would like to keep the money too :P
2015-11-23T21:37:41 < artag> what's the point in keeping money ? It's only good for what you can buy with it. So buy something.
2015-11-23T21:37:58 < Tectu> artag, I have no money
2015-11-23T21:38:29 < artag> that sounds like a problem then. No camera, no money to keep :(
2015-11-23T21:39:07 < Tectu> yep, there you go
2015-11-23T21:39:12 < Tectu> still want that camera, tho
2015-11-23T21:39:28 < Steffanx> so buy it
2015-11-23T21:39:30 < Tectu> zyp, I am just not sure how much improvement it would be compared to the Panasonic Lumix LX7 I have right now
2015-11-23T21:39:42 < Tectu> zyp, I definitely need something I can take website-promo ready pictures
2015-11-23T21:40:16 < zyp> well, if the lumix does good quality pics then the kit lens would probably just give you a slight improvement
2015-11-23T21:40:28 < zyp> but the macro lens would allow you to do stuff the lumix can't
2015-11-23T21:40:32 < artag> surely any camera is good enough for web photos ? they're a fraction the resolution of camera photos
2015-11-23T21:40:47 < Tectu> zyp, and the macro stuff is what I seriously miss. I love that lumix in all other regards
2015-11-23T21:41:00 < Tectu> zyp, even bought some close-up filters but that didn´t quite get the job done either
2015-11-23T21:41:23 < Steffanx> that lumix cant do semi-macro photos?
2015-11-23T21:41:31 < Steffanx> get better lightning etc.?
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2015-11-23T21:41:55 < Steffanx> i cannot imagine it cannot do semi-good macro photos
2015-11-23T21:41:58 < mitrax> lightING
2015-11-23T21:42:00 < Tectu> Steffanx, nope, can´t do anything upclose
2015-11-23T21:42:02 < artag> get a $20 led ringlight ?
2015-11-23T21:42:17 < zyp> hmm, looks like canon still only does 1080p30 on the more affordable models
2015-11-23T21:42:27 < Tectu> zyp, video is a huge deal for me
2015-11-23T21:42:34 < zyp> so if video is important to you I couldn't recommend either
2015-11-23T21:42:49 < zyp> then again, if video is important, a video camera might be a better option
2015-11-23T21:43:03 < mitrax> Tectu: have a look at the NX1, it's not full frame but it's an excellent camera
2015-11-23T21:43:17 < mitrax> Tectu: best you can get for video in your price range
2015-11-23T21:43:46 < mitrax> few years ago i wouldn't have bet a dime on samsung in the photography area, but they made a very nice product
2015-11-23T21:44:06 < Tectu> mitrax, my price range actually is 3k EUR/USD
2015-11-23T21:44:19 < mitrax> you rich bastard!
2015-11-23T21:44:21 < Tectu> zyp, video camera... what´s out there that doesn´t cost 15k?
2015-11-23T21:44:35 < zyp> idk, dongs would know better than me
2015-11-23T21:45:00 < Tectu> zyp, I am more into video than foto and 95% of the time I would make videos instead of taking pictures with that A7 II
2015-11-23T21:46:59 < mitrax> Tectu: well then you'll definitely see an improvement over your LX7
2015-11-23T21:47:03 < zyp> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products <- this shit looks pretty pro and affordable
2015-11-23T21:47:10 < zyp> and you can probably find a MFT macro lens
2015-11-23T21:47:43 < zyp> http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/macro.html <- here's an overview
2015-11-23T21:48:04 < Tectu> MFT?
2015-11-23T21:49:02 < Tectu> zyp, why is this so cheap?  https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicursamini
2015-11-23T21:49:53 < Tectu> ah, it´s w/o glass
2015-11-23T21:50:36 < zyp> and glass is where you should put the money anyway
2015-11-23T21:51:13 < Tectu> so decent blackmagic camera + glas would be 5k
2015-11-23T21:51:41 < Tectu> zyp, but again that seems a bit too pro for my uses :P
2015-11-23T21:51:47 < mitrax> a blackmagic cam to shoot PCB or displays, that's overkill
2015-11-23T21:51:54 < mitrax> way overkill
2015-11-23T21:51:56 < Tectu> jup
2015-11-23T21:51:59 < zyp> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicmicrocinemacamera <- this thing is $1k and does 1080p60
2015-11-23T21:52:35 < Tectu> looks awkward
2015-11-23T21:53:14 < Tectu> https://images.blackmagicdesign.com/media/products/blackmagicmicrocinemacamera/accessories/lens-adaptors-ef.jpg?_v=1441695586
2015-11-23T21:53:29 < zyp> haha
2015-11-23T21:53:30 < zyp> :)
2015-11-23T21:53:57 < BrainDamage> put together something with bottle bottoms, zip ties and arduinos, then it won't look professional at all, and it'll satsfy your maker spirit
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2015-11-23T21:54:14 < Tectu> zyp, any other manufacturers that provide decent video cameras for 3k inc. glas?
2015-11-23T21:54:52 < zyp> idk, I don't do video
2015-11-23T21:55:02 < zyp> ask dongs when he wakes up
2015-11-23T21:55:18 < Tectu> thanks zy
2015-11-23T21:55:19 < Tectu> yzp
2015-11-23T21:55:22 < Tectu> zyp
2015-11-23T21:55:29 < Tectu> but that A7 II would do decent video if anything, right?
2015-11-23T21:55:59 < mitrax> more than decent
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2015-11-23T21:56:18 < zyp> haha, you saw the youtube vid linked last time you were talking about cams
2015-11-23T21:57:24 < Tectu> zyp, which one? The one where they showed off the A7 II?
2015-11-23T21:57:34 < Tectu> zyp, I wonder how decent this one would be:  http://www.red.com/store/products/epic-m-red-dragon-pro-collection
2015-11-23T21:57:36 < zyp> yes
2015-11-23T21:57:46 < zyp> :)
2015-11-23T21:57:53  * mitrax slaps Tectu around a bit with a large trout
2015-11-23T21:58:01 < Tectu> zyp, the question is whether I can take decent quality videos too :P
2015-11-23T21:58:16 < Steffanx> Tectu will be our own youtube star?
2015-11-23T21:58:22 < Steffanx> new justin bieber?
2015-11-23T21:58:25 < Steffanx> or DAVE?
2015-11-23T21:58:32 < Steffanx> better do colin furge
2015-11-23T21:58:42 < Steffanx> *furze
2015-11-23T21:58:44 < Tectu> Steffanx, no, I plan to make a sauna channel
2015-11-23T21:59:00 < Steffanx> featuring jpa- and kakimir?
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2015-11-23T22:00:41 < Tectu> not really seeing the benefits of a video camera compared to an A7 II besode the higher ergonomics and battery life :P{
2015-11-23T22:01:15 < mitrax> talking about battery life, be aware that it sucks on the A7RII
2015-11-23T22:02:03 < mitrax> but it comes with 2 batteries...
2015-11-23T22:02:29 < Tectu> mitrax, don´t need more than 20min
2015-11-23T22:02:48 < Tectu> mitrax, also, it comes with USB micro port for charging and you can charge while using
2015-11-23T22:02:53 < Tectu> mitrax, so at home no issue :)
2015-11-23T22:05:12 < Tectu> mitrax, you got that A7 II?
2015-11-23T22:05:22 < mitrax> nope
2015-11-23T22:05:43 < mitrax> but it's one of the camera i'd consider getting if i ever replace my old canon body
2015-11-23T22:05:50 < mitrax> along with a metabones adapter
2015-11-23T22:06:44 < mitrax> sad that canon is not leading the game anymore (well sad because i have canon lenses)
2015-11-23T22:07:32 < zyp> any MILC would require an adapter to use EF/EF-S lenses anyway
2015-11-23T22:07:42 < Steffanx> Who is leading nowadays? nikon?
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2015-11-23T22:08:00 < mitrax> sony
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2015-11-23T22:09:01 < Tectu> sounds like somebody just started a holy war
2015-11-23T22:09:19 < mitrax> Nikon uses sony sensors
2015-11-23T22:11:31 < mitrax> iirc the D800E and A7R used the same sensor
2015-11-23T22:12:33 < Steffanx> A war? I was just curious. im not into cameras
2015-11-23T22:13:06 < mitrax> Tectu: if we were in a photography forum, yeah sure, but we're reasonnable people here :p
2015-11-23T22:14:25 < mitrax> bbl
2015-11-23T22:16:33 < Steffanx> Most here are not reasonable ..
2015-11-23T22:16:40 < Steffanx> What did you think of us mitrax
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2015-11-23T22:17:12 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-23T22:17:17 < Steffanx> *do
2015-11-23T22:17:19 < Steffanx> lo
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2015-11-23T22:25:38 < Tectu> zyp, can you tell me why I would want to get an equally expensive video camera instead of an A7 II?
2015-11-23T22:29:55 < zyp> because it'd be designed for video
2015-11-23T22:30:19 < zyp> and therefore be better at video but worse at photos
2015-11-23T22:34:15 < Tectu> well
2015-11-23T22:34:19 < Tectu> what´s so different these days?
2015-11-23T22:35:08 < zyp> ask dongs why he bought a video camera
2015-11-23T22:35:49 < celeron55> i would think the manufacturers would know
2015-11-23T22:36:13 < celeron55> why would they even market them as video cameras otherwise
2015-11-23T22:36:13 < Tectu> zyp, thanks. I will get in touch with dongs
2015-11-23T22:38:08 < zyp> I would assume that video cameras doesn't have a ton of megapixels that they'll just be downscaling anyway
2015-11-23T22:38:38 < zyp> and fewer pixels for an area means bigger pixels, which means more light, which means better snr, which means less noise
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2015-11-23T22:39:08 < zyp> so the camera can spend more processing power on high quality compression and less on scaling and noise reduction
2015-11-23T22:40:11 < celeron55> a still camera probably has quite bad autofocus and auto-everything-else in video mode
2015-11-23T22:40:58 < celeron55> even practically nonexistent
2015-11-23T22:41:03 < zyp> they used to, but decent still cameras have phase-detect autofocus embedded in the sensor nowadays
2015-11-23T22:41:18 < zyp> canon dslr got it a few generations ago
2015-11-23T22:41:44 < celeron55> oh well; the last video camera i used was a digital tape one so i'm maybe a bit out of date 8)
2015-11-23T22:41:44 < zyp> mine is from the generation before, so it doesn't have it
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2015-11-23T23:02:17 < Taxman> Tectu: You are searching a high resolution camera for camchat?
2015-11-23T23:03:19 < Sync> nah, for sending dickvids
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2015-11-23T23:13:19 < kakimir> celeron55: show them your stuff!
2015-11-23T23:13:22 < upgrdman_> 16GB SD card... $254   http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/RP-SDF16GDA1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsvMKIWTvUzygCQa8Lbly4gAHNPttUMLfN11ICnAnqB9g%3d%3d
2015-11-23T23:13:56 < kakimir> industrial SD?
2015-11-23T23:14:02 < kakimir> what makes it industrial?
2015-11-23T23:14:14 < artag> extra grease
2015-11-23T23:24:39 < zyp> extra price
2015-11-23T23:24:50 < zyp> oh, it's SLC
2015-11-23T23:25:12 < zyp> which I guess is supposed to be more durable than MLC, i.e. more rewrite cycles
2015-11-23T23:25:14 < celeron55> kakimir: i already talked about it earlier
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2015-11-23T23:44:50 < kakimir> I wonder where I have got microsoft windows based script host to my startup
2015-11-23T23:44:55 < kakimir> list
2015-11-23T23:45:53 < kakimir> intel turbo boost gadget
2015-11-23T23:49:52 < mitrax> kakimir: how's the top secret project?
2015-11-23T23:52:28 < kakimir> I dont remember which one
2015-11-23T23:52:39 < kakimir> gay oven?
2015-11-23T23:52:50 < mitrax> nope
2015-11-23T23:53:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeThzYjJiVE1fTFU/view?usp=sharing foot today
2015-11-23T23:53:32 < mitrax> you sure like to solder things :D
2015-11-23T23:53:51 < kakimir> 2 direction feature in it
2015-11-23T23:53:52 < Fleck> wooohooo, snow!!! :D
2015-11-23T23:54:04 < mitrax> fleck: where?
2015-11-23T23:54:08 < Fleck> here :)
2015-11-23T23:54:12 < kakimir> is welding mitrax
2015-11-23T23:54:26 < Fleck> mitrax: http://fleck.rullz.lv/skatcam/viewcam.php?cam=4
2015-11-23T23:54:30 < mitrax> err yeah weld
2015-11-23T23:54:58 < kakimir> How about welding with solder?
2015-11-23T23:55:05 < Steffanx> fleck is this your cam?
2015-11-23T23:55:07 < mitrax> hmmm that looks like Latvia!
2015-11-23T23:55:10 < kakimir> apply.. 30amperes to solder?
2015-11-23T23:55:11 < Fleck> Steffanx: no
2015-11-23T23:55:15 < Steffanx> ive seen this before
2015-11-23T23:55:25 < Fleck> mitrax: well, it is :D
2015-11-23T23:55:44 < Steffanx> must have been last year
2015-11-23T23:55:45 < mitrax> Fleck: i know, i was just kidding i looked at the country code
2015-11-23T23:56:27 < mitrax> wooot a car
2015-11-23T23:56:33 < mitrax> finally some action
2015-11-23T23:56:50 < Fleck> ;p
2015-11-23T23:56:54 < mitrax> fuck that white van is driving way too fast
2015-11-23T23:56:57 < Steffanx> dont letvian people stop before the red ligt?
2015-11-23T23:57:08 < Fleck> Steffanx: ?
2015-11-23T23:57:19 < Steffanx> local gang is also thefe
2015-11-23T23:57:21 < Steffanx> re
2015-11-23T23:57:57 < Steffanx> one car went past the red light and stopped there
2015-11-23T23:58:09 < Fleck> nope
2015-11-23T23:58:12 < Fleck> you need glasses man! :D
2015-11-23T23:58:30 < Steffanx> i do
2015-11-23T23:58:57 < Fleck> yeah, drifting going on too :D
2015-11-23T23:59:50 < mitrax> i see zombies far away
2015-11-23T23:59:55 < mitrax> in the alley on the right
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2015-11-24T00:00:04 < mitrax> AHAHAHAAH
2015-11-24T00:00:04 < mitrax> damn
2015-11-24T00:00:07 < Fleck> loool
2015-11-24T00:00:16 < Fleck> one noob also
2015-11-24T00:00:45 < mitrax> he drives slowly now :p
2015-11-24T00:00:53 < Fleck> yep lol
2015-11-24T00:01:13 < Steffanx> the cam is from the future
2015-11-24T00:01:23 < Fleck> riiight
2015-11-24T00:01:35 < Fleck> [00:01:13] <Steffanx> the cam is from the future
2015-11-24T00:01:43 < Steffanx> its not 00:06
2015-11-24T00:01:45 < Fleck> 5+ min
2015-11-24T00:01:51 < Steffanx> see
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2015-11-24T00:03:04 < Fleck> mitrax: the cam: https://www.google.lv/maps/@57.4035986,21.5897731,3a,15y,293.09h,104.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swMEzijqhGl_kWg6rH4sqSg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
2015-11-24T00:03:22 < mitrax> ahaha
2015-11-24T00:03:24 < kakimir> stalk time on stm32?
2015-11-24T00:03:34 < Steffanx> yes
2015-11-24T00:03:37 < Fleck> :)
2015-11-24T00:03:49 < Steffanx> can we stalk you too?
2015-11-24T00:03:50 < Fleck> I can go jump around in the park lol
2015-11-24T00:04:09 < Steffanx> streaker style?
2015-11-24T00:04:09 < kakimir> I see you are quite sensible folks
2015-11-24T00:04:36 < Fleck> I should go and draw "STM32" in snow :D
2015-11-24T00:04:57 < Steffanx> make butterflies
2015-11-24T00:05:04 < kakimir> real psycho stalkers are like.. quiet and stuff
2015-11-24T00:05:05 < mitrax> either that or a giant dick and "hi dongs!" below
2015-11-24T00:05:46 < Steffanx> love the red ligh waiting without other traffic
2015-11-24T00:06:27 < Fleck> yep, I don't get that also Steffanx, we had years back, all lights yellow at night
2015-11-24T00:06:31 < kakimir> holy shit there is whole old windows in my 128GB filesystem
2015-11-24T00:06:34 < Fleck> but now doesn't happen anymore
2015-11-24T00:06:47 < kakimir> didn't notice until windirstat told me
2015-11-24T00:07:05 < Steffanx> did an upgrade to win 10?
2015-11-24T00:07:10 < Fleck> afaik it's because of blind ppl, all trafficlights now have signals to them also
2015-11-24T00:07:41 < kakimir> bought it as 10
2015-11-24T00:07:52 < kakimir> it was sold as 10
2015-11-24T00:08:07 < kakimir> so there is win7 or so for pussies
2015-11-24T00:08:21 < mitrax> hush
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2015-11-24T00:11:08 < Fleck> mitrax: nope, I'm not ill, won't do that, I don't find such things funny...
2015-11-24T00:11:17 < Fleck> that just shows your moral lvl
2015-11-24T00:12:10 < mitrax> moral lvl?
2015-11-24T00:12:26 < mitrax> oh level
2015-11-24T00:12:30 < Fleck> yep ;)
2015-11-24T00:13:03 < mitrax> so prude!
2015-11-24T00:13:41 < Steffanx> such a serious guy you are fleck
2015-11-24T00:14:22 < Fleck> nothing to do with seriosity
2015-11-24T00:14:29 < Steffanx> still no tribute to ##stm32 btw
2015-11-24T00:15:16 < Fleck> ofc, because of craptalkers like dongs and few others, I don't even read what's going on here...
2015-11-24T00:15:28 < mitrax> ahahahah
2015-11-24T00:15:32 < Fleck> + kinda new to stm32 anyway
2015-11-24T00:15:35 < Steffanx> sureee
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2015-11-24T00:16:04 < mitrax> too bad R2COM isn't here
2015-11-24T00:16:16 < Steffanx> too bsad?
2015-11-24T00:16:19 < Steffanx> bad
2015-11-24T00:16:28 < Fleck> bsod
2015-11-24T00:17:17 < mitrax> Steffanx: yeah cause he's one of the "craptalkers" i guess
2015-11-24T00:17:26 < Steffanx> oh
2015-11-24T00:21:10 < mitrax> Fleck: don't mind dongs seemingly rude attitude
2015-11-24T00:21:19 < mitrax> Fleck: he's full of love inside!
2015-11-24T00:21:26 < GargantuaSauce> tsundere engineering
2015-11-24T00:22:34 < Fleck> mitrax: he needs a doc... srsly!
2015-11-24T00:23:08 < Steffanx> i know other people that would need one more
2015-11-24T00:23:37 < Steffanx> people also here that is
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2015-11-24T00:24:27 < Fleck> dunno if more, but also need - yep :D
2015-11-24T00:24:34 < Steffanx> but how is you today fleck?
2015-11-24T00:24:45 < Fleck> I'm cool, thanks, you?
2015-11-24T00:24:56 < Steffanx> Als cool here
2015-11-24T00:25:17 < Steffanx> no snow though
2015-11-24T00:25:23 < Fleck> hehe
2015-11-24T00:27:49 < Fleck> programming xmas lights ;D
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2015-11-24T00:44:48 < celeron55> i agree that this channel would need more stm32 and less chit-chat
2015-11-24T00:45:13 < mitrax> pftttt
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2015-11-24T00:46:08 < Fleck> thanks celeron55!
2015-11-24T00:46:40 < kakimir> less zano
2015-11-24T00:46:45 < kakimir> like 100% less zano
2015-11-24T00:46:53 < mitrax> zano is dead anyway
2015-11-24T00:47:25 < Fleck> +1 kakimir, that topic is overrated and boring also...
2015-11-24T00:48:04 < Fleck> some just can't go over it ;D
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2015-11-24T00:48:20 < kakimir> OCDs are sometimes like that
2015-11-24T00:48:46 < artag> the chit-chat's OK, but there was definitely too much zano
2015-11-24T00:50:06 < kakimir> but seriously who would read this channel if there was only a wall of register header names and hexadesimals
2015-11-24T00:51:03 < artag> at least if you can't get an answer to your question there's someone to call you rude names and have a laugh
2015-11-24T00:51:38 < ReadError> people seem helpful when help is needed though
2015-11-24T00:51:51 < ReadError> i dont think dongs ever said "fuck off im blogging about zano"
2015-11-24T00:51:52 < mitrax> ReadError: from my short experience in here, definitely
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2015-11-24T00:52:43 < artag> yeah. I hate that stackoverflow thing where people suppress everthing that doesn't conform to their narrow idea of topic. it destrys any sense of community
2015-11-24T00:53:29 < artag> and half the time they're wrong anyway, and it IS ontopic
2015-11-24T00:58:50 < Fleck> noone says there can't be simple talk, but why craptalk?
2015-11-24T00:59:00 < mitrax> define craptalk
2015-11-24T00:59:02 < Fleck> is that all you can think of?
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2015-11-24T01:00:11 < mitrax> craptalk is a subjective notion
2015-11-24T01:00:37 < Fleck> it depends on your moral lvl, yes
2015-11-24T01:01:01 < mitrax> are you a mormon or something?
2015-11-24T01:01:21 < ReadError> Fleck like when dongs talks about 'jews' or 'naggers' ?
2015-11-24T01:01:29 < ReadError> unsure what this craptalk is
2015-11-24T01:01:31 < Fleck> ReadError: also yes
2015-11-24T01:01:39 < Fleck> well, calling names, posting NSFW links etc...
2015-11-24T01:01:54 < mitrax> Fleck: welcome to irc
2015-11-24T01:02:05 < ReadError> IRC has always been like this ;)
2015-11-24T01:02:14 < GargantuaSauce> what about complaining about peoples' behaviour
2015-11-24T01:02:17 < GargantuaSauce> does that count as craptalk
2015-11-24T01:02:23 < ReadError> lol GargantuaSauce
2015-11-24T01:02:36 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce provided me with a very useful ARM tutorial
2015-11-24T01:02:39 < ReadError> I learned a lot
2015-11-24T01:02:44 < Fleck> one craptalker woke up :D
2015-11-24T01:03:06 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNaaFw51O0
2015-11-24T01:03:21 < GargantuaSauce> oh man i forgot about that
2015-11-24T01:03:21 < ReadError> thanks again GargantuaSauce, I will never forget
2015-11-24T01:03:48 < mitrax> ahahahahahah wtf
2015-11-24T01:05:18 < ReadError> mitrax not sure what i learned exactly
2015-11-24T01:05:24 < ReadError> but it was a tutorial
2015-11-24T01:07:03 < mitrax> i'm not sure if i should check that guy's other videos
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2015-11-24T01:07:24 < ReadError> yea, it will leave you with more questions than answers
2015-11-24T01:08:14 < Sync> teh fuk
2015-11-24T01:09:35 < mitrax> okaaaay
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2015-11-24T01:11:11 < mitrax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adN74aBxZk
2015-11-24T01:13:29 < ReadError> i think i need an adult
2015-11-24T01:35:43 < dongs> karlp: i bought some chinese panelmeter thingy
2015-11-24T01:35:46 < dongs> top volts, bottom amps
2015-11-24T01:35:53 < dongs> autoranges from 0.1mA to 3A
2015-11-24T01:36:23 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171258623046
2015-11-24T01:37:27 < GargantuaSauce> niice, how accurate is it in the mA range?
2015-11-24T01:37:44 < dongs> i have it hooked up to my desk USB hub
2015-11-24T01:37:48 < dongs> to track power usage
2015-11-24T01:38:01 < dongs> it occasionally blinks between +- 0.1
2015-11-24T01:38:03 < dongs> but generally stable
2015-11-24T01:38:18 < dongs> so i'd guess prety accurate
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2015-11-24T01:41:10 < mitrax> dongs: through ebay or is it another sourcE?
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2015-11-24T01:43:35 < dongs> mitrax: i have gbought that exact one.
2015-11-24T01:43:50 < dongs> i have it on watch/history wahteger in my account
2015-11-24T01:44:00 < dongs> but its standard chinese shit
2015-11-24T01:44:19 < dongs> there's several sellers selling same thing
2015-11-24T01:45:12 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171258627467 same thing cheaper
2015-11-24T01:45:13 < dongs> etc.
2015-11-24T01:45:58 < mitrax> dongs: is there a part number / code on it?
2015-11-24T01:46:04 < dongs> nope
2015-11-24T01:46:08 < dongs> look at pics, its al lsame
2015-11-24T01:46:27 < dongs> chinashit(tm)
2015-11-24T01:49:51 < mitrax> it's annoying how so many chinese sellers don't seem to use part numbers...  the other day i wanted to get some PCB mount M8 connectors, asked for the drawings to be sure they would integrate, then asked the girl to give the corresponding part numbers for the drawings she sent (to make sure i order the proper ones)
2015-11-24T01:50:22 < GargantuaSauce> ha ha next you'll be asking for fcc ids
2015-11-24T01:50:48 < johntramp> hi,  I have a project which works fine with no gcc optimisation, but as soon as I enable -Os I get a hard fault.  Is this common? Any advice?
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2015-11-24T01:51:27 < mitrax> GarguantuaSuace: well that's different, you'd think they would use a code / part num / whatever for their own inventory and to avoid fuck ups, but no
2015-11-24T01:51:33 < GargantuaSauce> johntramp: start with -Wall -Wextra and fix all of them
2015-11-24T01:51:48 < johntramp> GargantuaSauce: yeah that is all clean
2015-11-24T01:52:01 < johntramp> and no cppcheck warnings either
2015-11-24T01:52:19 < dongs> johntramp: youre trashing stack somewehre
2015-11-24T01:52:41 < dongs> and/or trashing something that gets padded during debug mode but isn't at -O
2015-11-24T01:52:49 < dongs> like array out of bounds or etc.
2015-11-24T01:53:06 < johntramp> hmm ok,  I should add that it is built on chibios
2015-11-24T01:53:57 < johntramp> also interestingly I am testing on two devices, one faults and the other doesn't
2015-11-24T01:55:38 < GargantuaSauce> sounds like you're in for a lot of fun
2015-11-24T01:55:52 < johntramp> :)
2015-11-24T01:55:53 < johntramp> yay
2015-11-24T01:55:55 < dongs> time to figure out how to do debugging
2015-11-24T01:55:59 < dongs> and not by printf.
2015-11-24T01:56:24 < johntramp> yeah I think my next step will be in gdb
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2015-11-24T01:58:50 < mitrax> johntramp: are you sure it's not an uninitialized variable somewhere?
2015-11-24T01:59:20 < johntramp> mitrax: that would have been picked up by the compiler
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2015-11-24T02:04:18 < johntramp> mitrax: I am using -Wall -Wextra -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmaybe-uninitialized -Wformat=2 -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wno-missing-braces  -Wfloat-equal
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2015-11-24T02:07:56 < mitrax> johntramp: yeah -Wall includes both -Wunitialized and -WMaybe-unitialized, but you could have missed a warning or something :) no lib that you link to that differs from debug to release mode where the prob could be located?
2015-11-24T02:08:03 < GargantuaSauce> -pedantic-errors -Wnull-dereference -Wno-aggressive-loop-optimizations
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2015-11-24T02:08:52 < GargantuaSauce> think that's it for UB-related warnings
2015-11-24T02:09:06 < mitrax> johntramp: all you change is the optimization level?
2015-11-24T02:09:18 < johntramp> mitrax: yes
2015-11-24T02:09:44 < Rob235> does frsky sbus = futaba sbus = any sbus?
2015-11-24T02:09:49 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-24T02:09:53 < Rob235> ok good
2015-11-24T02:09:55 < Rob235> thanks
2015-11-24T02:10:27 < johntramp> GargantuaSauce: is it -Wno-null-derefence
2015-11-24T02:11:18 < GargantuaSauce> nope, -Wnull-dereference straight from the gcc docs
2015-11-24T02:11:43 < johntramp> hmm, that gives me arm-none-eabi-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-Wnull-dereference'
2015-11-24T02:12:03 < GargantuaSauce> might be relatively new i dunno, what gcc version?
2015-11-24T02:12:10 < GargantuaSauce> it's worth using 4.8
2015-11-24T02:12:16 < johntramp> 5.2.0
2015-11-24T02:12:29 < dongs> wot
2015-11-24T02:12:46 < GargantuaSauce> er 4.8+ i mean
2015-11-24T02:14:08 < johntramp> the pedantic-errors creates thousands of errors in the kernel, eg ../ChibiOS/os/ports/GCC/ARMCMx/chcore_v7m.c:167:18: error: ISO C forbids conversion of function pointer to object pointer type [-Wpedantic]
2015-11-24T02:15:00 < GargantuaSauce> allow me to express my shock at this revelation
2015-11-24T02:15:13 < dongs> lol
2015-11-24T02:15:15 < dongs> shitty opensores
2015-11-24T02:15:45 < GargantuaSauce> might just need to set a different c standard spec also
2015-11-24T02:16:50 < johntramp> I have -std=gnu99
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2015-11-24T02:22:30 < GargantuaSauce> anyway if the static analyzer didn't even catch it then it's definitely time to move on to runtime debugging
2015-11-24T02:27:24 < dongs> opsnreos extensions
2015-11-24T02:31:15 < obnauticus> if I have an array say uint8_t array[] = { 0x0C, 0x8A }; How can I add the two bits and print them as a float properly? I've been playing around and haven't gotten anything to work :(
2015-11-24T02:31:47 < johntramp> ffs,enabling debug symbols and it goes away
2015-11-24T02:31:52 < zyp> obnauticus, your question doesn't make sense
2015-11-24T02:32:09 < obnauticus> well shit
2015-11-24T02:32:10 < dongs> obnauticus: float is 4 bytes
2015-11-24T02:32:17 < obnauticus> I understand that
2015-11-24T02:32:27 < obnauticus> There is an equation you use to convert it in the datasheet
2015-11-24T02:32:30 < dongs> unless you mean 12.138 ?
2015-11-24T02:32:32 < zyp> obnauticus, is this a sensor reading?
2015-11-24T02:32:38 < obnauticus> I guess I should rephrase it....yes it is a sensor reading
2015-11-24T02:32:47 < obnauticus> I basically do the following
2015-11-24T02:32:56 < obnauticus> array[0] |= 0xF;
2015-11-24T02:32:58 < dongs> my first guess would be to turn it into uint16 first
2015-11-24T02:33:10 < zyp> shift the upper byte and or them together, then cast it into a float and apply a scaling factor
2015-11-24T02:33:12 < obnauticus> val = array[0] + array[1];
2015-11-24T02:33:15 < dongs> arr[0] << 8 | arr[1] (or swap 0/1 depending on endianness of sensor), then go from there
2015-11-24T02:33:26 < zyp> i.e. what dongs suggests
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2015-11-24T02:33:39 < __rob> anyone ever used one of these :
2015-11-24T02:33:40 < __rob> http://www.avagotech.com/products/motion-control-encoders/absolute-encoders/single-turn-encoders/aeat-9000-1gsh1
2015-11-24T02:34:00 < obnauticus> dongs: if the array datatype is uint8_t is that a problem? Or should I just change the datatype of the array to be 16bit unsigned
2015-11-24T02:34:19 < dongs> errrrr
2015-11-24T02:34:21 < dongs> do you know C?
2015-11-24T02:34:25 < obnauticus> Barely.
2015-11-24T02:34:26 < dongs> it has nothign to do wiht array
2015-11-24T02:34:44 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/The-Programming-Language-Brian-Kernighan/dp/0131103628
2015-11-24T02:34:47 < dongs> have a read through this then
2015-11-24T02:35:16 < obnauticus> I know it but I haven't had much practice with bitwise operations
2015-11-24T02:35:19 < obnauticus> if that makes sense
2015-11-24T02:35:25 < dongs> it covers those, too im pretty sure
2015-11-24T02:35:30 < GargantuaSauce> http://xn--d-bga.su/tcpl.pdf
2015-11-24T02:35:40 < dongs> the sensor datasheet should be very clear what oto do anyway.
2015-11-24T02:35:43 < celeron55> uint8 is 8 bits, uint16 is 16 bits; you can just put the bits there
2015-11-24T02:35:59 < obnauticus> I know, but I'm reading 8bits at a time from I2C
2015-11-24T02:36:02 < celeron55> that's what the code dongs said does
2015-11-24T02:36:06 < obnauticus> I guess I would just shift n+1 in
2015-11-24T02:36:17 < dongs> < dongs> arr[0] << 8 | arr[1] (or swap 0/1 depending on endianness of sensor), then go from there
2015-11-24T02:36:50 < celeron55> make sure to read from somewhere and understand what << does
2015-11-24T02:36:53 < celeron55> and |
2015-11-24T02:37:02 < obnauticus> I understand what those things do
2015-11-24T02:37:13 < obnauticus> I was under the impression that arr[0] would have to be large enough to store 16bits
2015-11-24T02:37:17 < obnauticus> and i had previously defined it as 8
2015-11-24T02:37:56 < dongs> uint16_t fgt = code i pasted previously
2015-11-24T02:38:17 < obnauticus> Okay. So I do understand what's going on here.
2015-11-24T02:38:21 < dongs> the end result ends up 16bits regardless of width of operands
2015-11-24T02:39:48 < celeron55> was it so that the result will be unsigned int unless you cast it or something?
2015-11-24T02:40:10 < upgrdman__> bought a usb3/sata adapter. throught i'd use an old laptop hdd for offline backup. plug it in... *click*    *click click*     *click* .... good thing nothing important was on that disk.
2015-11-24T02:41:01 < dongs> was the port able to provide enough power
2015-11-24T02:41:35 < GargantuaSauce> a uint8 << 8 is definitely incorrect
2015-11-24T02:41:57 < dongs> ?
2015-11-24T02:42:07 < dongs> if destination is wide enough, sure it is
2015-11-24T02:42:23 < obnauticus> okay. So the following would work: uint16_t val; val = array[0] << 8 | array[1];
2015-11-24T02:42:41 < dongs> yes, but you need to read to see the byteorder of  your sensor
2015-11-24T02:42:47 < obnauticus> If I want to chop off the first nibble of array[0] then I would just do the following array[0] &= 0xF;
2015-11-24T02:42:53 < dongs> rwhether you nee dto shift first or last byte
2015-11-24T02:43:02 < obnauticus> I think i am correct.
2015-11-24T02:43:11 < celeron55> upgrdman__: a laptop hdd might take anything between 0.5A and "definitely not going to work from USB power"
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2015-11-24T02:43:32 < upgrdman__> celeron55, usb3 and the port it's plugged into can do 2A
2015-11-24T02:43:59 < celeron55> is the adapter able to request 2A or will it provide it without a request?
2015-11-24T02:44:18 < obnauticus> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/isl9/isl94203.pdf I am reading register 0x9E (described on page 60)
2015-11-24T02:44:18 < karlp> ^^^
2015-11-24T02:44:22 < upgrdman__> but since you mentioned it, i checked the hdd label. seagate says "+5V 0.451A"
2015-11-24T02:44:23 < celeron55> (i don't know these usb 3.0 things)
2015-11-24T02:44:49 < upgrdman__> celeron55, it's supposed to request. but many don't.
2015-11-24T02:44:53 < obnauticus> dongs: do you have a link to desribe the operations you are doing to deal with the endianness of the value?
2015-11-24T02:45:33 < celeron55> at 0.45 it probably should work i'd guess so maybe it really is broken
2015-11-24T02:45:47 < celeron55> does it spin up at all?
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2015-11-24T02:47:04 < upgrdman__> celeron55, tries to then it clicks
2015-11-24T02:47:13 < upgrdman__> celeron55, i'll plug into into a pc before i trash it.
2015-11-24T02:49:25 < celeron55> if they don't, i might try to free up the bearing by shaking it in my hand in such a way that the momentum of the platters would make them turn a bit
2015-11-24T02:49:25 < dongs> upgrdman__: inrush current will be > 1A probly
2015-11-24T02:50:42 < dongs> obnauticus: yeah uh so its very clear what to do
2015-11-24T02:51:22 < obnauticus> dongs: i think your code will work
2015-11-24T02:51:31 < dongs> uint16 raw = (arr[0] << 8 | arr[1]) & 0xFFF; float foo = (raw * 1.8f * 8f) / 4095 * 3; or something.
2015-11-24T02:52:05 < upgrdman__> dongs, ya
2015-11-24T02:52:32 < upgrdman__> hmm just tried the hdd with a usb2 sata adapter that uses a big wall wart for power. same problem. click click click.
2015-11-24T02:52:41 < dongs> then its owned :)
2015-11-24T02:52:52 < upgrdman__> ya
2015-11-24T02:52:54 < dongs> worstbuy already shipped my shit
2015-11-24T02:52:54 < celeron55> try my thing before throwing it away
2015-11-24T02:53:01 < dongs> i didnt expect it to happen until dec3 like the shop said
2015-11-24T02:53:06 < upgrdman__> it was from some old ass HP Mini netbook from like 2011 or something
2015-11-24T02:53:35 < dongs> unless they meant delivery and even then its too late cuz it was sent 2nd day air.. for free :D
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2015-11-24T02:53:59 < upgrdman__> 2nd day to .jp? or to usa forwarder?
2015-11-24T02:54:02 < celeron55> if it worked when you took it out from use, the electronics are going to work now too; the drive motor might just be too weak to turn the bearing with old grease sitting in there 8)
2015-11-24T02:54:10 < dongs> to alaska
2015-11-24T02:54:14 < dongs> so its taxfree
2015-11-24T02:54:21 < upgrdman__> ah
2015-11-24T02:54:48 < upgrdman__> celeron55, i dont really care. its not worth my time for a 160GB HDD
2015-11-24T02:54:51 < upgrdman__> its trash.
2015-11-24T02:55:03 < upgrdman__> i have 3 SSDs i can use for this same purpose
2015-11-24T02:55:06 < celeron55> i would consider that interesting to try but whatever then i guess
2015-11-24T02:55:17 < upgrdman__> 2 old intel 80GB SSDs and a 120GB OCZ SSD
2015-11-24T02:55:31 < celeron55> you can always compare things based on their market value but it's boring
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2015-11-24T02:57:33 < dongs> i got back 180gb intel ssd from RMA (they sent new r eplacement)
2015-11-24T02:57:35 < dongs> not gonna use it ina nything tho
2015-11-24T02:57:38 < dongs> fuck intel
2015-11-24T02:58:41 < celeron55> i would have use for an old ssd or hdd right now; but they are in the hands of these people who are just going to throw them away 8(
2015-11-24T03:00:00 < celeron55> a cruel world we live in
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2015-11-24T03:09:36 < Laurenceb> its been explained
2015-11-24T03:09:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2015/PP-40-15.PDF
2015-11-24T03:10:12 < Laurenceb> lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_in_Physics
2015-11-24T03:10:35 < Laurenceb> wonder what the impact factor is
2015-11-24T03:11:36 < upgrdman__> celeron55, i've thrown away perfectly good pc's on many occassions. if you look at total cost of ownership, it's brain dead to use old stuff. for example, i had a web server. simple little pc sitting on the floor, serving up shit over HTTP. it draw like 75W just sitting there. running 24/7, that's 657kWh per year of energy... about $125 per year just to power it. i took it apart, saved heatsinks and some random shit, then trashed it. a
2015-11-24T03:11:36 < upgrdman__> fucking raspberry pi replaced it, and draws about 4W.
2015-11-24T03:12:39 < upgrdman__> it would have been worse for the environment if i donated it to someone.
2015-11-24T03:12:50 < Laurenceb> holy shit a flamewar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Progress_in_Physics
2015-11-24T03:13:22 < Laurenceb>  Consider it The Onion of the physics world. Given that our lives are so short and fleeting, I can't believe actual human beings have wasted their valuable time creating such gibberish. It's almost a crime
2015-11-24T03:13:25 < Laurenceb> irl lolld
2015-11-24T03:14:23 < Laurenceb>  It is a front for the sort of 'scientist' who would previously have had to rant at passing traffic
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2015-11-24T03:23:20 < Laurenceb> An inflammatory article by Danko Georgiev, with no formal training in physics, was refuted by the eminent physicist Bill Unruh in the same journal
2015-11-24T03:23:30 < Laurenceb> its a conspiracy i tell you
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2015-11-24T03:30:55 < upgrdman__> lol  http://i.imgur.com/p1sy1U9.gifv
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2015-11-24T03:33:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/BSdwLWR.gifv
2015-11-24T03:34:47 < karlp> hehe, that first one is fab
2015-11-24T03:35:56 < dongs> what a dumfuck
2015-11-24T03:41:09 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFAJ-1
2015-11-24T03:41:22 < Laurenceb> GFAJ stands for "Give Felisa a Job" lol we were trolled
2015-11-24T03:47:05 < Rob235> is sbus 100K baudrate?
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2015-11-24T03:48:29 < englishman> yes
2015-11-24T03:48:37 < englishman> and inverted ttl
2015-11-24T03:48:44 < englishman> aka shitbus
2015-11-24T03:49:14 < Rob235> I have an inverter
2015-11-24T03:49:36 < dongs> Rob235: it appears you're reinventing the wheel
2015-11-24T03:49:44 < Rob235> how so?
2015-11-24T03:50:59 < dongs> RIP displaylink japan
2015-11-24T03:51:05 < dongs> forwarded to cellphone and dropped
2015-11-24T03:51:15 < dongs> business must be rough
2015-11-24T03:52:27 < Rob235> why did you say I'm reinventing the wheel? is there a library or something for it?
2015-11-24T03:52:59 < Laurenceb> https://connect.innovateuk.org/documents/1583550/29942941/UK+Propulsion+Workshop-EmDrive.pdf/25572632-fbdb-4d3f-8c76-f62445bb45ae
2015-11-24T03:54:15 < dongs> Laurenceb: you should sign ivan up for it
2015-11-24T03:54:47 < Laurenceb> haha
2015-11-24T03:54:55 < Rob235> dongs: just going to ignore me?
2015-11-24T03:54:55 < Laurenceb> need to message him on linkedin
2015-11-24T03:55:09 < dongs> Rob235: yes, beacuyse you're reinventing the wheel hardcore
2015-11-24T03:55:13 < Laurenceb> Rob235: look for the wheel library in arduino
2015-11-24T03:55:53 < dongs> square wheel
2015-11-24T03:56:16 < Rob235> damn you guys are useless
2015-11-24T03:56:47 < Laurenceb> what is sbus?
2015-11-24T03:56:51 < Laurenceb> futaba?
2015-11-24T03:57:01 < Rob235> mine is frsky
2015-11-24T03:57:10 < dongs> Rob235: I wrote all the drivers in this: https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight there's also sbus and shit code in there.
2015-11-24T03:57:11 < Rob235> but futaba has it too
2015-11-24T03:57:19 < Laurenceb> try googling?
2015-11-24T03:57:28 < Laurenceb> should be some parsing code, its not too complex
2015-11-24T03:57:35 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/sbus.c
2015-11-24T03:57:45 < Rob235> I have, came to one thing that says 100k so I figured I'd ask here if anyone could verify
2015-11-24T03:57:46 < Laurenceb> then youd need to write custom time parsing depending on your hardware
2015-11-24T03:58:01 < dongs> sbus is serial.
2015-11-24T03:58:09 < Laurenceb> ignore me lol
2015-11-24T03:58:10 < Rob235> I was just checking the baudrate thats all
2015-11-24T03:58:14 < dongs> Rob235: core.rcvrport = uartOpen(USART2, sbusDataReceive, 100000, (portMode_t)(MODE_RX | MODE_SBUS));
2015-11-24T03:58:15 < Laurenceb> never used sbus
2015-11-24T03:58:53 < Rob235> I've read some stuff and I know its not difficult at all
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2015-11-24T04:22:08 < englishman> why use version control
2015-11-24T04:22:14 < englishman> just write perfect code first time
2015-11-24T04:22:23 < englishman> i saw pic of R2COM today https://i.imgur.com/srdyKdQ.jpg
2015-11-24T04:25:00 < tlst_away> Visual Source Safe
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2015-11-24T04:25:21 < englishman> descriptive folder names
2015-11-24T04:25:47 < englishman> subversion
2015-11-24T04:26:23 < zyp> subversion is old as fuck, if you're learning something now, pick something modern
2015-11-24T04:26:33 < englishman> zip files in forum posts
2015-11-24T04:26:44 < zyp> git is good, and if you for some reason hate git, try hg
2015-11-24T04:27:02 < englishman> git and atlassian sourcetree for windows
2015-11-24T04:27:07 < zyp> people claim hg is just as good, but I haven't used it myself, git works for me
2015-11-24T04:27:14 < englishman> if you open the command line to do version control, you're doing it wrong
2015-11-24T04:27:47 < zyp> not any more so than git
2015-11-24T04:28:11 < zyp> they are all original cli-based with a ton of gui frontends
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2015-11-24T04:28:58 < zyp> tortoise-whatever will give you support right in the windows gui shell
2015-11-24T04:29:21 < zyp> subversion is online only, modern shit is distributed and works just as well standalone
2015-11-24T04:30:04 < zyp> sure you could
2015-11-24T04:30:12 < zyp> central repository is a better phrasing
2015-11-24T04:30:32 < zyp> whereas git keeps a full version history anywhere you use it
2015-11-24T04:30:54 < zyp> that's why downloading a git repo is called cloning it
2015-11-24T04:31:08 < zyp> of course
2015-11-24T04:31:14 < zyp> subversion is old as fuck
2015-11-24T04:31:32 < zyp> hg is mercurial
2015-11-24T04:31:38 < zyp> about as new as git
2015-11-24T04:31:45 < zyp> supposed to have around the same feature set
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2015-11-24T04:32:42 < zyp> yes, although I can't say how well
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2015-11-24T04:33:04 < zyp> maybe that was one of the things hg was supposed to better, idk
2015-11-24T04:33:28 < englishman> git is pretty cool but you need to read a big thick book to understand the basics
2015-11-24T04:33:40 < englishman> and you can easily fuck shit up 100%
2015-11-24T04:34:17 < englishman> atlassian sourcetree and not doing stuff too complicated
2015-11-24T04:34:33 < zyp> dropbox
2015-11-24T04:34:49 < zyp> that's as simple as you get it
2015-11-24T04:34:55 < englishman> do you just want rollback?
2015-11-24T04:35:01 < englishman> or commit history and branches etc
2015-11-24T04:35:27 < englishman> doesnt orcad have pro version control
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2015-11-24T04:53:01 < dongs> sup PRO2COM
2015-11-24T04:58:07 < englishman> after the fact?
2015-11-24T04:58:42 < englishman> link link
2015-11-24T04:59:11 < dongs> what
2015-11-24T04:59:11 < dongs> where
2015-11-24T04:59:14 < dongs> 40 minutes, linkkkkkkkkkkkk
2015-11-24T04:59:19 < englishman> ^
2015-11-24T04:59:25 < dongs> fgt
2015-11-24T04:59:26 < englishman> b&
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2015-11-24T05:35:32 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XlbUDPt7A#t=55
2015-11-24T05:40:09 < upgrdman> yes. yes i could.
2015-11-24T05:45:26 < talsit> the brakes failed?
2015-11-24T05:45:32 < talsit> or just operator error?
2015-11-24T05:45:56 < talsit> or just bad design?
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2015-11-24T06:36:03 < dongs> zyp, ST95 is $2.6 @ 200
2015-11-24T06:36:11 < dongs> with a couple days leadtime
2015-11-24T06:52:58 < zyp> dongs, okay, cool
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2015-11-24T07:29:03 < dongs> R2COM: busy, but i started on it. wrote i2c/camera stuff and had no way to test in hotel without scope etc.
2015-11-24T07:29:35 < dongs> i got the speaker/audio amp on it working nicely
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2015-11-24T07:46:25 < dongs> 11/24/2015 02:34 Dispatch from outward office of exchange TEL AVIV YAFO ISRAEL
2015-11-24T07:46:28 < dongs> jew hardware on teh way to me
2015-11-24T07:46:51 < jadew> what did you get?
2015-11-24T07:47:00 < dongs> DTU-215 for super cheap
2015-11-24T07:48:14 < jadew> a modulator?
2015-11-24T07:48:17 < dongs> yes
2015-11-24T07:51:52 < jadew> are you testing a receiver or something?
2015-11-24T07:52:58 < dongs> no, i will resell it, i already have one
2015-11-24T07:53:15 < dongs> i can easily get double what i paid for it, more if I add some extra licenses into it :)
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2015-11-24T07:55:43 < jadew> ah, cool
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2015-11-24T09:36:27 < dongs> Today we sent an email to the Zano team informing them of their obligations to backers, and asking them to share an open and transparent update on what happened with the project. We have asked them to post this update by Monday, November 30th.
2015-11-24T09:39:12 < dongs> argh
2015-11-24T09:39:22 < dongs> does anyone have a cached copy of noflyzano.com with the javascript counter
2015-11-24T09:41:28 < dongs> damn google cach is already new
2015-11-24T09:43:44 < PeterM> try web.archive.org
2015-11-24T09:43:49 < dongs> no
2015-11-24T09:43:52 < dongs> they only grabbed it in january
2015-11-24T09:47:41 < PeterM> what shitcunts
2015-11-24T09:48:36 < dongs> but thats ok too
2015-11-24T09:48:40 < dongs> proves it was a scam back then :D
2015-11-24T09:48:44 < dongs> figured it out
2015-11-24T09:48:49 < dongs> i just needed a div called "countdown"
2015-11-24T09:48:55 < dongs> now to edit..
2015-11-24T09:54:59 < dongs> crap
2015-11-24T09:55:15 < dongs> https://spaceflightnow.com/2015/11/24/h2a-f29-mission-status-center/
2015-11-24T09:55:28 < dongs> tuned into satellite feed for that like 1 second into liftoff
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2015-11-24T10:03:24 < jadew> what's that for?
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2015-11-24T10:06:30 < dongs> comm sat
2015-11-24T10:06:45 < dongs> big deal cuz its first commercial flight or somethign
2015-11-24T10:07:00 < dongs> it was probly visible from here
2015-11-24T10:07:03 < dongs> if I knew the shit was happening
2015-11-24T10:07:14 < dongs> fucking R2COM never informs me of liftoffs
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2015-11-24T10:08:52 < PeterM> god fucking damnit R2COM, you can tell #stm32 everyime a terr'ist shoots a RPG-7 but not the launch of a real fucking rocket?
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2015-11-24T10:50:45 < bloated> how is it a real rocket if it can't explode ?
2015-11-24T10:54:24 < PeterM> how does it take off if it doesnt explode?
2015-11-24T10:56:02 < jpa-> how does it rocket if it is not real?
2015-11-24T10:57:22 < bloated> what's the correct term for rocket burning ? deflagration ?
2015-11-24T11:03:01 < PeterM> deflagration is subsonic burning but **i'd guess** that the flamefront spreads through the fuel oxidizer mix at supersonic speeds its just that the mixture is ejected faster than the flamefront - rocket takeoffs are fucking loud rememebr
2015-11-24T11:04:56 < Roklobsta> the ripping sound of a SaturnV or Space Shuttle can't be converyed properly even on a big speaker system.
2015-11-24T11:13:26 < ReadError> Today we sent an email to the Zano team informing them of their obligations to backers, and asking them to share an open and transparent update on what happened with the project. We have asked them to post this update by Monday, November 30th.
2015-11-24T11:13:35 < ReadError> is that a 'baker
2015-11-24T11:13:41 < ReadError> or KS themselves?
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2015-11-24T11:23:52 < dongs> KS
2015-11-24T11:23:58 < dongs> they sent zano a warning email
2015-11-24T11:24:06 < dongs> to disclose waht hte fuck they did by 30th or face consequences
2015-11-24T11:24:09 < dongs> thats why i updated noflyzano
2015-11-24T11:24:11 < dongs> wiht a new timer
2015-11-24T11:24:44 < ReadError> lol well if they dissolve the company and already released funs
2015-11-24T11:24:47 < ReadError> funds*
2015-11-24T11:24:50 < ReadError> wtf can they actually do?
2015-11-24T11:24:53 < dongs> well duh
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2015-11-24T11:26:30 < emeryth> since when does KS give a fuck?
2015-11-24T11:26:43 < ReadError> haha http://flyzano.com/
2015-11-24T11:26:45 < ReadError> doesnt even work
2015-11-24T11:28:27 < ReadError> https://github.com/torquing/ZanoFineTuningForMobile githugs supports emoji's in commits??
2015-11-24T11:28:29 < dongs> o yeah thats been dead
2015-11-24T11:28:41 < ReadError> explosion + camel
2015-11-24T11:28:46 < ReadError> ISIS supporter
2015-11-24T11:35:11 < __rob> nothing they can do
2015-11-24T11:35:16 < __rob> they've liquidated
2015-11-24T11:35:29 < __rob> thats the point in a limited company
2015-11-24T11:36:02 < __rob> none of the actual directors will be libable, unless they've embezzled funds or done something criminal
2015-11-24T11:36:03 < ReadError> and they cant really go after a single person since how the company was setup
2015-11-24T11:36:09 < bloated> they've sent a strongly worded email. shit's about to fly!
2015-11-24T11:36:09 < ReadError> limits liability yes
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2015-11-24T11:52:15 < bloated> people should go after kickstarter as wilful accessory to fraud
2015-11-24T11:52:57 < jpa-> bloated: how so?
2015-11-24T11:53:05 < jpa-> atleast in zano case that is completely unfounded
2015-11-24T11:53:33 < bloated> jpa-: if they collected a million pounds, surely there will be an expectation of due diligence
2015-11-24T11:53:47 < jpa-> bloated: and what due diligence did they not do?
2015-11-24T11:53:50 < bloated> did they ever make an attempt to verify if the zano was real ?
2015-11-24T11:53:54 < dongs> no
2015-11-24T11:54:10 < jpa-> yet it is real - in all its crappiness
2015-11-24T11:54:53 < jpa-> and a million is peanuts, as far as frauds go
2015-11-24T11:55:23 < PeterM> dongs you've used the GD32 parts before, have you put them into anything you produced more than a handful of?
2015-11-24T11:55:33 < bloated> a million is enough for people to file suit.
2015-11-24T11:55:52 < jpa-> in america, you can of course sue for anything
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2015-11-24T11:55:59 < dongs> PeterM: nope, just prototyped stuff. there's a couple cahnges that need to be done to my quadshit firmware to make I2C work autoamtically on both chips, so I've put that off for now
2015-11-24T11:56:14 < dongs> i'd like to use them in like 1k production run of somethin just to see how reliable the stuff is
2015-11-24T11:56:23 < jpa-> bloated: but why do you think they *should* do that? isn't it just stupid blaming others (kickstarter) for the backer's faults?
2015-11-24T11:57:35 < bloated> backers can't do due diligence. kickstarter provides a platform and gives an air of respectability. I'm not a lawyer but I think it could be argued in court that Kickstarter has an obligation to verify that the people they are promoting are not out to scam the backers.
2015-11-24T11:57:55 < PeterM> dongs yeah, i'd also kinda liek to know if they plan on making any m0 clones too
2015-11-24T11:58:10 < dongs> m0 is cheap enough to not really need clones, no?
2015-11-24T11:58:32 < bloated> once you accept money from people, even if you have them agree to a disclaimer absolving you of all responsibility, courts have repeatedly said that there is an obligation.
2015-11-24T11:58:41 < jpa-> bloated: what due diligence could kickstarter have done, which would have prevented the zano fiasco?
2015-11-24T11:59:20 < PeterM> dongs, for the small pin count packages it is, but if you need dumb io it gets a bit pricey
2015-11-24T11:59:28 < dongs> jpa-: paying $100/hr to some EE to look over the product plan, ZanoOS in MIPS32 ASM, look at the 5MP camera and its SCCB/parallel video interface, look at wifi module, etc and determine that the shit would never work with hardware chosen>??
2015-11-24T11:59:37 < bloated> jpa-: asked zano to send over a prototype ? see if it really flies as depicted in the video ? I don't know anything about the zano story apart from dongs's comments but I think the video depicted capabilities the drone didn't have ?
2015-11-24T11:59:45 < ReadError> maybe above a certain amount of $$, they could do some type of escrow
2015-11-24T11:59:57 < bloated> at the very least, they could have verified that the video was not faked.
2015-11-24T11:59:58 < ReadError> in which they can distribute funds for invoices
2015-11-24T12:00:05 < jpa-> bloated: IIRC the video wasn't supposed to even be true at the time, more like "this is what it will do"
2015-11-24T12:00:17 < bloated> ok. I don't know about that.
2015-11-24T12:00:18 < jpa-> dongs: but it would and does work, just totally crappily
2015-11-24T12:00:20 < dongs> jpa-: nope
2015-11-24T12:00:30 < Taxman> dongs: How many $100/hrs did he took for this result?
2015-11-24T12:00:30 < dongs> jpa-: the video stated this is what they have
2015-11-24T12:00:49 < dongs> So, November 2014, where are we?
2015-11-24T12:00:53 < jpa-> dongs: once you get to arguing about "battery life is 15 minutes" vs. "battery life is 5 minutes", it becomes much more difficult to prove
2015-11-24T12:00:57 < dongs> ZANO is up and flying, holding position, avoiding obstacles, streaming live video back to a smart device, capturing video and photos.
2015-11-24T12:01:03 < dongs> jpa-: ^ stated by torquing on nov 2014
2015-11-24T12:01:07 < jpa-> dongs: heh
2015-11-24T12:01:22 < dongs> jpa-: it was doing none of those things
2015-11-24T12:01:26 < dongs> even in like... july-aug 2015
2015-11-24T12:01:26 < jpa-> ReadError: but zano probably *did* waste a lot of the money on actual invoices & salary
2015-11-24T12:01:41 < bloated> the fact that kickstarter has only now sent an *email* is unacceptable even to me (as an uninvolved bystander)
2015-11-24T12:01:48 < dongs> jpa-: some guy called formertgemployee at the fakeforums claims they ordered 20kpcs worth of parts
2015-11-24T12:02:02 < dongs> so 20k pic32s + etc.
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2015-11-24T12:03:03 < bloated> 20k PIC32's is how much in dollars ? 5k $ ?
2015-11-24T12:03:07 < dongs> 180k
2015-11-24T12:03:08 < dongs> -ish
2015-11-24T12:03:15 < dongs> the dumb thing is expensive as fuk
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2015-11-24T12:03:56 < bloated> -.- lol. the only reason why people use PIC is its cheaper than everything else
2015-11-24T12:04:10 < dongs> PIC32MZ2048ECH144-I/PH i think its this trash
2015-11-24T12:04:17 < dongs> (just guessing, thats the 1st pic32mz that comes up on google
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2015-11-24T12:04:20 < dongs> wiht ~simlar specs
2015-11-24T12:04:23 < dongs> $9.31 @ 5k
2015-11-24T12:04:31 < dongs> so 186k$
2015-11-24T12:04:39 < dongs> lets say they gave them a deal for 20k
2015-11-24T12:04:42 < dongs> at 9
2015-11-24T12:04:45 < mitrax> bloated: the only reason people use PIC is cause they're used to it and never bothered to look at alternatives :p
2015-11-24T12:04:46 < dongs> still 180k
2015-11-24T12:04:48 < Sync> kek
2015-11-24T12:05:02 < jpa-> mitrax: doesn't quite apply for PIC32, though
2015-11-24T12:05:16 < dongs> nobody sane would use pic32
2015-11-24T12:05:19 < dongs> in a new project
2015-11-24T12:05:29 < jpa-> it would actually be an interesting ARM alternative if it wasn't so expensive and crappy
2015-11-24T12:05:37 < jpa-> more interesting than AVR32, anyway
2015-11-24T12:05:40 < celeron55> why is it so expensive then?
2015-11-24T12:05:55 < dongs> economy of scale?
2015-11-24T12:06:03 < dongs> nobody wants -> expensive -> nobody wants -> still expensive
2015-11-24T12:06:21 < jpa-> yeah - and could be less efficient hardware design than ARM also
2015-11-24T12:06:24 < dongs> they gotta cover R&D and manufacturing and they can't scale it up to make it cheap cuz nobody wants it
2015-11-24T12:06:29 < celeron55> i guess it's also not really cheaper to produce at scale compared to ARM either so nobody wants to invest
2015-11-24T12:06:47 < PeterM> at $9 ea/5k you could be looking at full on arm soc territory
2015-11-24T12:06:53 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-24T12:06:55 < dongs> i mean..
2015-11-24T12:07:01 < dongs> that hisilicon camera SoC is $4 in samples
2015-11-24T12:07:04 < dongs> probly $3 or less @ 5k
2015-11-24T12:07:14 < dongs> and its infinitely better spec than pic32
2015-11-24T12:07:33 < dongs> $9 almost buys you allwhiner + power management + cheap ddr
2015-11-24T12:08:03 < PeterM> and the amount of peripherals you get is huge compared to pic too
2015-11-24T12:08:18 < dongs> that pic doesnt even have SDIO
2015-11-24T12:08:31 < dongs> forget writing 1080p to SD card even if you could buffer it
2015-11-24T12:08:36 < dongs> since SPI interface is limited in speed to wahtever
2015-11-24T12:09:36 < PeterM> forget 1080p in general, they're cropping the shit out of that thing
2015-11-24T12:10:02 < dongs> sure
2015-11-24T12:10:08 < dongs> that cam is worthless above 720p
2015-11-24T12:10:17 < dongs> which is the last mode you can use binning/pixel doubling stuff
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2015-11-24T12:11:03 < dongs> I wonder how much lantronix raped them for wifi modules
2015-11-24T12:11:38 < PeterM> too much - i know from previous experience lantronix shit is expensive
2015-11-24T12:11:40 < ReadError> did they respond to your twatter?
2015-11-24T12:11:49 < dongs> ReadError: did you really expect them to
2015-11-24T12:11:50 < dongs> lo
2015-11-24T12:12:00 < dongs> http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=50805
2015-11-24T12:12:02 < dongs> $23.99
2015-11-24T12:12:03 < dongs> fuck me
2015-11-24T12:12:28 < dongs> so maybe half that at 20k qty
2015-11-24T12:12:36 < PeterM> even in 20k thats still going to be $10+
2015-11-24T12:12:37 < dongs> still 12 bux
2015-11-24T12:12:39 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-24T12:12:40 < Sync> yeah
2015-11-24T12:12:51 < dongs> so thats 240k gone right theer
2015-11-24T12:12:51 < Sync> so they spent .5M on 2 parts? :D
2015-11-24T12:12:54 < dongs> yes.
2015-11-24T12:12:57 < Sync> noice
2015-11-24T12:13:17 < dongs> and apparently they were all piled up in ivna's office
2015-11-24T12:13:24 < dongs> and being a manchild he is, he probly opened the reels
2015-11-24T12:13:32 < dongs> and violated vacuum packing
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2015-11-24T12:13:40 < dongs> so the shit's probly all fucked by now even if they tried to resell it
2015-11-24T12:13:50 < dongs> shit would need to be re-baked and resealed
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2015-11-24T12:14:04 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-11-24T12:14:20 < ReadError> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983
2015-11-24T12:14:26 < ReadError> shits bout to pop off
2015-11-24T12:15:25 < dongs> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34900825 this is much more interesting news bro
2015-11-24T12:17:31 < ReadError> not even sure how to respond to that
2015-11-24T12:17:43 < PeterM> wait... for 0.5m they could have done a CloneError, make a microquad board, then put the shitty LED Display and camera on some asic SoC
2015-11-24T12:17:56 < PeterM> and walked away wiht the difference
2015-11-24T12:19:09 < ReadError> they should have just bought a bunch of those chinese quads and just redone the ios/android software
2015-11-24T12:19:12 < dongs> $4 for hisilicon + another $3 for some radink/realtek wifi chipset, done
2015-11-24T12:20:07 < PeterM> does the hisilicon have enough periph for doing the actual quad stuff though? im sure its mroe than capable for the camera etc
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2015-11-24T12:21:13 < PeterM> i wonder how much rockchip want for their arm tablet SoCs thats proabbly another viable solution, because they've got wifi peripherals built in
2015-11-24T12:21:59 < dongs> PeterM: there's 4 pwm
2015-11-24T12:22:16 < dongs> when I cared for 5 seconds it seemed it was muxed with uarts
2015-11-24T12:22:38 < dongs> but if you put a small M0 for motor control/realtime stuff and talk it via SPI or something then it can do evertthing else
2015-11-24T12:23:27 < dongs> <workpal> any cheap MCU can with...linux...and can mount WIFI usb?
2015-11-24T12:23:33 < PeterM> yeah, i'd say that'd be your best bet, get your actual flying shit solid and stable and flying, forget about it and fuck with the hard stuff later
2015-11-24T12:23:47 < dongs> ^ just got asked this, told him taht hisilicon thing, let's see if i get some free sampels as result :)
2015-11-24T12:24:02 < PeterM> MCU.. Lunix... wut
2015-11-24T12:24:05 < dongs> can shit like LWIP handle USB wifi junk?
2015-11-24T12:24:11 < dongs> NDIS or whatever
2015-11-24T12:24:34 < dongs> https://developer.mbed.org/forum/electronics/topic/4425/
2015-11-24T12:24:35 < dongs> ...
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2015-11-24T12:29:42 < PeterM> iirc most wifi usb chips are basically a PHY with USB, and literally everything about them is handled by software, thats why your shitty wifi "drivers" are like 200mb
2015-11-24T12:30:40 < jpa-> i doubt that is the reason the drivers are so large
2015-11-24T12:30:47 < jpa-> they aren't that large on linux, for example
2015-11-24T12:32:00 < PeterM> not THAT large, but still bigger than a few hundred k
2015-11-24T12:32:37 < jpa-> yeah - it makes sense to do MAC and WPA2 etc. in software
2015-11-24T12:32:44 < PeterM> or mroe like 10k + a few mb binary blob
2015-11-24T12:33:12 < PeterM> when you've got the excess processing power, why the heck not
2015-11-24T12:35:44 < PeterM> i had a gbit ethernet usb3 adapter... running a gbit would smack out like 10% cpu on an older i7
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2015-11-24T12:55:07 < ReadError> ermm dongs
2015-11-24T12:55:09 < ReadError> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zano ????
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2015-11-24T13:13:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3d2SCFp.jpg lol japs are exporting rocketdata to google earth
2015-11-24T13:14:44 < Sync> why not
2015-11-24T13:14:57 < dongs> i donno
2015-11-24T13:15:00 < dongs> not pro enough??
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2015-11-24T13:16:17 < pid> wasting time doing irrelevant things would be pro? don't think so :)
2015-11-24T13:17:17 < dongs> looks like the satellite separated
2015-11-24T13:17:57 < dongs> i cant tell if female announcer is TTS or a human
2015-11-24T13:18:01 < dongs> sounds soo weird
2015-11-24T13:18:16 < dongs> k its human
2015-11-24T13:18:20 < dongs> just stuttered trying to say stuff
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2015-11-24T13:22:03 < bloated> its clear now. The Russians were only looking for Girls: http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/75/770x0/5654392d0f254432e87530f1
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2015-11-24T13:23:50 < __rob> lol, google "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away"
2015-11-24T13:26:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPi5np1LRkc
2015-11-24T13:26:27 < dongs> oh
2015-11-24T13:26:29 < dongs> this is the same shit im watching
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2015-11-24T13:26:31 < dongs> on satellite relay
2015-11-24T13:27:04 < dongs> mine is about 30 seconds ashead
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2015-11-24T13:29:50 < mitrax> ahah her english sucks
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2015-11-24T13:31:21 < karlp> __rob: rhat do you mean? I just get kinda what you'd expect, some search results for star wars?
2015-11-24T13:32:12 < __rob> on chrome ?
2015-11-24T13:32:18 < __rob> mabye it only works on chrome
2015-11-24T13:32:20 < dongs> karlp: wihtout "'s
2015-11-24T13:32:25 < __rob> ohh yea
2015-11-24T13:32:26 < __rob> lol
2015-11-24T13:32:27 < __rob> of course
2015-11-24T13:32:30 < __rob> that was a given
2015-11-24T13:33:38 < dongs> aww
2015-11-24T13:33:39 < dongs> wtf
2015-11-24T13:33:45 < dongs> they cut from jewtube feed into some junk in studio
2015-11-24T13:33:47 < dongs> @ launch center
2015-11-24T13:34:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pWu29jK.jpg
2015-11-24T13:35:33 < jadew> they made sure the hot chick is next to the camera
2015-11-24T13:36:15 < jadew> who are those people?
2015-11-24T13:36:20 < dongs> spacepeople
2015-11-24T13:36:26 < dongs> its the launch center
2015-11-24T13:36:29 < jadew> yeah, but which of them?
2015-11-24T13:36:31 < jadew> got it
2015-11-24T13:36:54 < jadew> why is this such a big deal?
2015-11-24T13:36:56 < __rob> the guy on the right looks about 8 years old
2015-11-24T13:37:04 < jadew> it can't be your first launch, is it?
2015-11-24T13:37:11 < dongs> jadew: first commercial apparently
2015-11-24T13:37:18 < jadew> ah
2015-11-24T13:37:19 < jadew> neat
2015-11-24T13:37:20 < mitrax> jadew: just regular human beings... you miss the guys disguised as furnitures with their dicks pulled out? :D
2015-11-24T13:37:25 < dongs> http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/11/japanese-h-iia-telstar-12v-launch/
2015-11-24T13:38:17 < Roklobsta> is it in okinawa?
2015-11-24T13:38:43 < Sync> huh
2015-11-24T13:38:56 < Sync> why is there a mitsubishi diamond star on it
2015-11-24T13:39:09 < dongs> sync, the launch company is mitsubhishit heavy indutries
2015-11-24T13:39:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dStdkXl.jpg
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2015-11-24T13:39:48 < dongs> lol @ d ickhead with ipad in the back
2015-11-24T13:40:18 < Sync> ah kek
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2015-11-24T13:40:28 < Sync> oh
2015-11-24T13:40:33 < Sync> nikon belongs to mitsubishi
2015-11-24T13:40:50 < Sync> I did not know that
2015-11-24T13:42:27 < PeterM> mitsubishi is HUEG
2015-11-24T13:43:31 < karlp> mitsubishi, like most big companies, doesn't knwo what the rest of mitsubishi is doing.
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2015-11-24T14:00:01 < GargantuaSauce> nice interlaced video
2015-11-24T14:05:33 < ReadError> Laurenceb__
2015-11-24T14:05:34 < ReadError> https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2436481
2015-11-24T14:05:40 < ReadError> swing by and ava wank m8
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2015-11-24T14:06:27 < ReadError> maybe that BBC guy will go
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2015-11-24T14:13:23 < Roklobsta> we should all chip in and send dongs.
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2015-11-24T14:18:27 < ReadError> lol
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2015-11-24T14:21:07 < PeterM> dongs, or dongs id be up for both.
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2015-11-24T16:07:21 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ Isis.The.British.Women.Supporters.Unveiled.720p.HDTV.x264-TASTETV
2015-11-24T16:07:25 < ReadError> more quality british tv
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2015-11-24T16:47:31 < Laurenceb> In 2013, Desmond Tutu, the former Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, won the Templeton Prize. His teachings combine the theological concept that all human beings are shaped in the image of God with the traditional African spirit of Ubuntu
2015-11-24T16:47:33 < Laurenceb> lolling
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2015-11-24T17:24:42 < englishman> Heh dongs, I know of one new proj with pic32
2015-11-24T17:24:54 < englishman> $9, wat, that's crazytown
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2015-11-24T17:26:40 < dongs> which one
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2015-11-24T17:28:40 < dongs> anyway gotta drive back home bbl
2015-11-24T17:28:52 < karlp> I think this is pic32, can't find the links that said it was all microchip anymore https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1983254852/emdo-can-do-your-energy-manager-for-renewable-ener
2015-11-24T17:31:19 < englishman> Dongs: TBS crotchfire
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2015-11-24T17:44:41 < Rob235> how does usart hardware flow control work? you set a frame byte size and it reads the data into fifo and when the fifo length is that size it triggers an interrupt or something and then you just read the fifo?
2015-11-24T17:51:13 < Rob235> does it require dma?
2015-11-24T17:51:23 < karlp> wat
2015-11-24T17:51:33 < karlp> hardware flow control is the extra signal lines.
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2015-11-24T17:53:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKekJ3YXNKX1h0RUE/view?usp=docslist_api oven update
2015-11-24T17:53:45 < mitrax> Rob235: RTS output signals that the device can accept more data, it goes to the CTS input of the remote device
2015-11-24T17:54:18 < mitrax> Rob235: if for some reason you're busy processing previous input and can't buffer incoming data, you deassert the RTS line
2015-11-24T17:54:19 < Rob235> ohhh so the device has to support it
2015-11-24T17:55:06 < Rob235> screw it i'll just read it normally
2015-11-24T17:55:14 < Rob235> its only 25 bytes
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2015-11-24T20:01:26 < Rob235> If I connect my logic analyzer to any pin (or no pin at all) and set it to async serial it just goes through lower case letters, then upper case, then numbers up to 255, and some symbols, any idea whats going on? is it broken?
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2015-11-24T20:15:32 < Rob235> cheap piece of junk
2015-11-24T20:17:05 < PaulFertser> Rob235: what's that?
2015-11-24T20:17:52 < Rob235> logic analyzer, usb port is messed up or something, doesn't connect but has power, a slight wiggle of the cord and the power led flickers
2015-11-24T20:18:53 < Rob235> im gonna reboot, brb
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2015-11-24T20:24:35 < Rob235> working now :)
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2015-11-24T20:43:11 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/uaThW9Rw am I missing something in config? the pin just stays high
2015-11-24T20:43:39 < Steffanx> afio clock?
2015-11-24T20:52:03 < Rob235> thats needed for usart?
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2015-11-24T21:45:54 < Steffanx> and is it Rob235?
2015-11-24T21:48:41 < Steffanx> unless it's not an F1 than its not even there
2015-11-24T21:49:06 < Rob235> its an F4, that would explain why I couldn't find it :)
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2015-11-24T22:45:43 < kakimir> ottomans have joined the battle
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2015-11-24T22:50:30 < kakimir> since when even turkey was in it?
2015-11-24T22:52:38 < Steffanx> since .. ever?
2015-11-24T22:52:47 < Steffanx> since syria borders turkey..
2015-11-24T22:53:58 < Steffanx> is finnishland also "in" kakimir?
2015-11-24T22:55:54 < celeron55> well, we (finland) kind of have a border with russia you know
2015-11-24T22:56:09 < celeron55> they often fly over it just for lulz and we don't shoot them down
2015-11-24T22:57:37 < kakimir> Steffanx: totally
2015-11-24T23:12:38 < kakimir> celeron55: in it as conflict
2015-11-24T23:13:15 < kakimir> if there was something problems in neighbor countries
2015-11-24T23:13:41 < kakimir> we would be really quiet and wish problems go away
2015-11-24T23:19:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0 russian chopper destroyed
2015-11-24T23:20:26 < englishman> nice
2015-11-24T23:21:50 < englishman> aw it was parked
2015-11-24T23:22:39 < kakimir> nice murican gear these terrorist have
2015-11-24T23:22:51 < kakimir> brand new
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2015-11-24T23:23:04 < englishman> yes, clearly written english instrcutions
2015-11-24T23:23:09 < englishman> what is the logo? i havent seen that before
2015-11-24T23:26:20 < kakimir> where?
2015-11-24T23:26:25 < englishman> in teh video
2015-11-24T23:26:29 < englishman> top left
2015-11-24T23:27:08 < kakimir> oh that
2015-11-24T23:27:24 < Rob235> alright so I have the frsky sbus working with usart but how do I know if it has 1 or 2 stop bits and the polarity?
2015-11-24T23:27:37 < kakimir> some arab video channel
2015-11-24T23:27:46 < GargantuaSauce> FSA 1st coastal division
2015-11-24T23:28:57 < englishman> wait so
2015-11-24T23:29:17 < englishman> i thought russia was fighting isis
2015-11-24T23:29:20 < englishman> but they are fighting fsa?
2015-11-24T23:29:24 < englishman> so they are with assad?
2015-11-24T23:29:26 < GargantuaSauce> it's complicated
2015-11-24T23:29:29 < englishman> ya
2015-11-24T23:29:42 < englishman> i thought they would fight isis and assad
2015-11-24T23:29:43 < kakimir> since when they have fought isis?
2015-11-24T23:29:57 < kakimir> since they said it in news?
2015-11-24T23:30:31 < kakimir> they fight rebels
2015-11-24T23:30:48 < Steffanx> define terrorist kakimir. The war in syria is very weird
2015-11-24T23:31:00 < GargantuaSauce> it's a love polygon proxy war
2015-11-24T23:31:07 < Steffanx> i believe those guys also fight IS
2015-11-24T23:31:52 < kakimir> everybody fights everybody
2015-11-24T23:32:00 < Steffanx> yes kinda
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2015-11-24T23:33:09 < Steffanx> upgrdman: what was this ultra light pdf reader you found?
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2015-11-24T23:41:18 < mitrax> sumatra pdf?
2015-11-24T23:42:13 < Steffanx> yes already found it
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2015-11-24T23:46:40 < Rob235> dongs
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2015-11-25T00:18:20 < upgrdman_> ya. sumatrapdf
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2015-11-25T00:18:32 < upgrdman_> its the pdf reader for windows i least hate.
2015-11-25T00:18:44 < upgrdman_> i wish it scrolled better (supported high res scrolling)
2015-11-25T00:18:46 < kakimir> their homepage is the most awful
2015-11-25T00:18:50 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-25T00:18:58 < upgrdman_> don't worry, the program is not yellow.
2015-11-25T00:19:49 < upgrdman_> sumatrapdf is also open sauce, if anyone cares. code's on shithub.
2015-11-25T00:20:50 < kakimir> their installer was pee yellow
2015-11-25T00:21:14 < upgrdman_> i know. but the program isn't
2015-11-25T00:26:03 < kakimir> it's logo looks like my webpage from year 99
2015-11-25T00:26:14 < upgrdman_> agreed
2015-11-25T00:26:24 < kakimir> seriously
2015-11-25T00:26:30 < kakimir> I made logos like that
2015-11-25T00:26:38 < kakimir> in the 90's
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2015-11-25T00:28:20 < kakimir> what is good about this program
2015-11-25T00:28:25 < kakimir> I dont see it
2015-11-25T00:28:57 < kakimir> okay
2015-11-25T00:29:02 < kakimir> plain look now
2015-11-25T00:29:05 < kakimir> no logo wi
2015-11-25T00:29:08 < kakimir> visible
2015-11-25T00:29:46 < kakimir> hmm tabs
2015-11-25T00:30:07 < kakimir> lets default this and see it futher on
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2015-11-25T00:30:41 < kakimir> istantenous startup
2015-11-25T00:34:34 < kakimir> so ugly buttons
2015-11-25T00:34:40 < kakimir> so so ugly
2015-11-25T00:35:20 < kakimir> scaled up and old look
2015-11-25T00:36:11 < kakimir> they should vector graphics those
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2015-11-25T00:36:43 < kakimir> or have some adequate resolution for them
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2015-11-25T00:40:38 < kakimir> I hate when they put function above looks
2015-11-25T00:46:36 < kakimir> my first webpage had 2MB front page
2015-11-25T00:46:42 < kakimir> future proof
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2015-11-25T00:55:17 < Rob235> does the usart library have a buffer or do you have to receivedata into a buffer every interrupt
2015-11-25T00:56:51 < kakimir> which usart library exactly?
2015-11-25T00:57:56 < Rob235> stdperiph
2015-11-25T00:58:46 < Rob235> receivedata just reads the register so I'm guessing theres no buffer
2015-11-25T00:58:57 < yan_> Rob235: yeah, you need to manage your own buffer
2015-11-25T00:59:01 < Rob235> ok thanks
2015-11-25T01:00:06 < Rob235> I think I should switch to dma but id rather get this working first
2015-11-25T01:00:28 < yan_> Rob235: made that same tradeoff two days ago :)
2015-11-25T01:00:45 < yan_> i.e. get something isr-based working, then worry about dma
2015-11-25T01:01:07 < yan_> it was actually get blocking working first, then isr, will do dma later
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2015-11-25T01:03:28 < Rob235> how much is too much logic in an interrupt handler? is it ok to check if a variable (frame_position) is 0 (first byte) and if so check if the value is 0x0F, if not do nothing, and anything else just adds to the buffer
2015-11-25T01:04:04 < yan_> Rob235: yeah, just don't do IO
2015-11-25T01:04:18 < Rob235> or should i just read into a buffer and in my main loop have a function that validates the data
2015-11-25T01:04:30 < yan_> i put a protocol state machine in the ISR
2015-11-25T01:04:41 < Rob235> oh ok
2015-11-25T01:04:43 < yan_> but it only hits like 20-30 instructions per execution, so meh
2015-11-25T01:05:14 < yan_> Rob235: my isr: https://gist.github.com/yan/1609f035f097e538d6ee
2015-11-25T01:05:26 < yan_> it changed a bit since, but basic shape is similar
2015-11-25T01:07:01 < Rob235> do you know how to find out how many stop bits and what the polarity is (if there is one) for a device
2015-11-25T01:08:16 < Rob235> I believe it uses RS232 if that helps
2015-11-25T01:09:13 < yan_> Rob235: try a few until it works heh
2015-11-25T01:09:16 < yan_> is how i do it
2015-11-25T01:09:23 < yan_> or use a logic analyzer
2015-11-25T01:10:05 < Rob235> I have used a logic analyzer, how can I tell from that, I'm gonna post a pic
2015-11-25T01:12:41 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/pfzockp
2015-11-25T01:13:09 < Rob235> I have it set to even polarity and 2 stop bits (saw it in dongs code but not sure if I was looking at the right thing)
2015-11-25T01:13:44 < Rob235> 0x0F is correct for the start bit
2015-11-25T01:16:09 < Rob235> to me it looks like one stop bit but not sure how to read it.  and it looks like the second byte doesn't have a dot in the beginning but again I dont know if thats normal
2015-11-25T01:18:05 < Rob235> yan_: any idea?
2015-11-25T01:18:23 < yan_> what component are you talking to?
2015-11-25T01:18:41 < Rob235> frsky x8r receiver using sbus
2015-11-25T01:21:18 < yan_> looks like 2 stop bits and even parity is what sbus uses
2015-11-25T01:21:23 < yan_> Rob235: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=99708.0
2015-11-25T01:22:06 < Rob235> ahh thanks :)
2015-11-25T01:22:19 < yan_> also you might need to add a 8-10ms delay between sbus packets
2015-11-25T01:23:53 < Rob235> its readying, not writing, what would a delay do? theres a 6ms delay between packets (updates every 11ms)
2015-11-25T01:24:22 < yan_> ah sorry, if reading, read away
2015-11-25T01:25:05 < Rob235> oh packet takes 3ms and 6ms delay guess its 9 not 11
2015-11-25T01:25:30 < kakimir> it is actually possible to work in bed if you take laser mouse with
2015-11-25T01:25:45 < kakimir> instead of all entertainment
2015-11-25T01:26:16 < kakimir> too late to regret all hundereds of hours waisted
2015-11-25T01:26:25 < Rob235> laptop?
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2015-11-25T01:26:30 < Rob235> i always work in bed
2015-11-25T01:26:38 < Rob235> like I am right now
2015-11-25T01:26:38 < kakimir> netbook laptop yes
2015-11-25T01:26:55 < kakimir> but actually last one burned my leg so I kept it tilted
2015-11-25T01:27:16 < kakimir> and shit it was
2015-11-25T01:27:36 < Rob235> get under the covers, adds a buffer
2015-11-25T01:27:54 < kakimir> next thing I bring my eizos around
2015-11-25T01:28:11 < kakimir> stands both sides of bed
2015-11-25T01:29:22 < kakimir> I'm actually about to build an upstand working station
2015-11-25T01:29:34 < kakimir> no chairs etc.
2015-11-25T01:30:17 < kakimir> connected to my work table
2015-11-25T01:44:40 < pid> are there any significant differences between spi1 and spi2 on f103?
2015-11-25T01:44:56 < pid> my code works on spi2 but hangs on spi1.
2015-11-25T01:45:06 < pid> i triplechecked the clocks
2015-11-25T01:45:21 < pid> but it hangs on while (SPI_I2S_GetFlagStatus(spi, SPI_I2S_FLAG_TXE) == RESET);
2015-11-25T01:45:33 < pid> where spi is SPI1.
2015-11-25T01:46:32 < pid> (i know that no dma/irq is dumb but i'm so desperate that i'm trying to use a dumb implementation)
2015-11-25T01:46:36 < yan_> pid: is the peripheral clock enabled?
2015-11-25T01:46:50 < yan_> ah hm see that you checked
2015-11-25T01:46:56 < pid>         RCC_APB1PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_SPI1, ENABLE);
2015-11-25T01:47:19 < pid> i even placed that just before the transfer config
2015-11-25T01:47:23 < pid> no success :/
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2015-11-25T01:48:51 < yan_> pid: gpio clocks enabled? pin AFs selected?
2015-11-25T01:49:19 < pid> https://gist.github.com/pidpawel/70290a4c9c8bed3fd82b
2015-11-25T01:49:38 < pid> gpios - yes, no
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2015-11-25T01:50:01 < pid> hm. actually second one is more complicated. no remap, but AF
2015-11-25T01:50:24 < yan_> also, i am not sure if you need to leave miso pin floating, PP should work afaict
2015-11-25T01:51:16 < pid> i falled back to what's in the stdperiph's example
2015-11-25T01:51:38 < yan_> sure.. there's also a 'How to use this driver' comment section in the spi driver
2015-11-25T01:52:30 < pid> where exactly?
2015-11-25T01:53:06 < pid> reference manual?
2015-11-25T01:53:48 < pid> oh. in stdperiph's spi. didn't notice it
2015-11-25T01:53:52 < yan_> yeah
2015-11-25T01:57:23 < pid> i found nothing useful there
2015-11-25T01:57:47 < pid> (but checked the pin config)
2015-11-25T01:58:37 < yan_> shrug, sorry
2015-11-25T01:58:58 < pid> found it.
2015-11-25T01:59:00 < pid> ARGH
2015-11-25T01:59:02 < yan_> ?
2015-11-25T01:59:09 < pid> <pid>         RCC_APB1PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_SPI1, ENABLE);
2015-11-25T01:59:15 < pid> screwed up numbers
2015-11-25T01:59:29 < yan_> ah :)
2015-11-25T01:59:33 < pid> i changed the macro name not the function name
2015-11-25T01:59:36 < pid> again.
2015-11-25T01:59:42 < yan_> that's a silly API design choice imho
2015-11-25T01:59:48 < pid> yep.
2015-11-25T02:00:11 < pid> but that's currently the only "stable" api we can choose
2015-11-25T02:00:18 < pid> so have to deal with that.
2015-11-25T02:00:42 < yan_> i'm slowly moving from libopencm3 to the std peripheral lib to have something supported/stable
2015-11-25T02:00:59 < pid> was that this bad?
2015-11-25T02:01:23 < pid> a friend of mine tried to convince me that libopencm3 is "good enough"
2015-11-25T02:01:34 < pid> didn't make it
2015-11-25T02:01:43 < yan_> no, it's a perfectly nice API and has better taste when it comes to initializing devices
2015-11-25T02:01:55 < yan_> just that following standard docs was harder since it's different
2015-11-25T02:02:02 < yan_> and some things (like pwr control) is different
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2015-11-25T02:02:20 < yan_> also some sample code is stdperiph-based
2015-11-25T02:02:30 < yan_> and it's straightforward to map to libopencm3, but it's extra work
2015-11-25T02:04:23 < pid> mhm.
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2015-11-25T02:04:37 < pid> thanks for help btw :)
2015-11-25T02:04:52 < yan_> np
2015-11-25T02:04:56 < yan_> not that i did anything :)
2015-11-25T02:06:12 < pid> that was a good checklist :P
2015-11-25T02:07:30 < Rob235> this okay for a interrupt handler? http://pastebin.com/SLWZV8NW
2015-11-25T02:08:04 < yan_> Rob235: yeah, i think so
2015-11-25T02:08:38 < yan_> actually yeah, it's totally fine
2015-11-25T02:08:54 < yan_> i'd not keep the entire thing inside the if() body, but that's purely stylistic
2015-11-25T02:08:57 < Rob235> copying a 25 byte array wont be a problem?
2015-11-25T02:09:20 < yan_> Rob235: what's your cpu clock?
2015-11-25T02:09:28 < Rob235> 168Mhz
2015-11-25T02:09:38 < yan_> yes, it's totally fine
2015-11-25T02:10:53 < yan_> Rob235: i'd do it this way: http://pastebin.com/5D6Hr8ta
2015-11-25T02:11:25 < yan_> i.e just return early
2015-11-25T02:11:54 < Rob235> yea I guess I could switch it that way, just like the option of being able to handle more interrupts if necessary
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2015-11-25T02:13:08 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-25T02:13:47 < Rob235> maybe I should set a variable in the beginning of that if branch and at the end and in the main loop when it parses the packet first check to make sure both were set? what do you think? that would make sure the data is valid right?
2015-11-25T02:13:57 < Laurenceb> Satan is the only guy who talks sense
2015-11-25T02:14:00 < Laurenceb> http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8380041&cid=50993551
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2015-11-25T02:30:57 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-11-25T02:51:17 < dongs> R2COM: you asshole you didnt inform me of rocket launch yesterday
2015-11-25T02:51:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.blueorigin.com/news#youtube9pillaOxGCo
2015-11-25T02:51:39 < Laurenceb> 9pill
2015-11-25T02:52:26 < Laurenceb> attn dongs
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2015-11-25T02:52:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2yfrb2/what_are_some_internet_classics_no_one_talks/?limit=500
2015-11-25T02:52:38 < kakimir> http://www.dx.com/p/h1001a-tf-micro-sd-to-ssd-solid-state-drive-sensor-416755
2015-11-25T02:52:42 < upgrdman> nice  https://i.imgur.com/wc9YIXP.gifv
2015-11-25T02:52:44 < kakimir> what is that
2015-11-25T02:53:34 < upgrdman> kakimir, a shit SD card RAID array?
2015-11-25T02:54:00 < upgrdman> for people who don't realize the MTBF of a single SD card.
2015-11-25T02:54:08 < upgrdman> let alone a cluster of them
2015-11-25T02:54:09 < BrainDamage> not just raid, but raid0
2015-11-25T02:54:21 < BrainDamage> for when you absolutely need data loss
2015-11-25T02:54:23 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-11-25T02:54:53 < Laurenceb> just feeding my snakes
2015-11-25T02:55:26 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE-1RPDqJAY one of first youtube .. things
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2015-11-25T03:06:49 < upgrdman> yay my baby spi lcd's arrived today
2015-11-25T03:07:31 < upgrdman> time to see if they work. gotta love china. glass lcds? cool. we ship them in an envelope.
2015-11-25T03:24:42 < Rob235> dongs: what is the second to last sbus byte for? what are the two digital channels. I'm guessing frame lost I can ignore and if failsafe is set ignore the data?
2015-11-25T03:25:17 < dongs> i duno i dont think my code parses it
2015-11-25T03:25:35 < dongs> if (feature(FEATURE_FAILSAFE) && ((sbus.in[22] >> 3) & 0x0001)) {
2015-11-25T03:25:38 < dongs> i guess it does
2015-11-25T03:25:41 < Rob235> ok.  I got it reading and just about finished my parser
2015-11-25T03:26:48 < Rob235> what is the rest of the if statement?
2015-11-25T03:26:57 < dongs> doesnt matter, its that
2015-11-25T03:27:07 < dongs> if bit3 of 22nd byte is set, it means its a receiver failsafe
2015-11-25T03:27:38 < Rob235> yea i dont know what a failsafe is, is it what I said? data not valid?
2015-11-25T03:27:54 < dongs> transmitert signal too low, its not sure the data is valid
2015-11-25T03:28:04 < Rob235> ahh ok
2015-11-25T03:28:09 < Rob235> i'll ignore it then
2015-11-25T03:28:20 < Rob235> the data that is, not the failsafe bit
2015-11-25T03:32:39 < Rob235> I'm guessing you aren't storing the start bit in sbus.in
2015-11-25T03:32:51 < Rob235> or the last bit
2015-11-25T03:32:59 < Rob235> oh nvm
2015-11-25T03:33:02 < Rob235> start bit only
2015-11-25T03:44:26 < englishman> wtf are you using shitbus for
2015-11-25T03:44:52 < englishman> literally most awful useless jap rc protocol ever
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2015-11-25T03:46:18 < Rob235> because thats what it uses...
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2015-11-25T03:58:58 < dongs> englishman: bbbut.... THE FEEL. so CRISP
2015-11-25T04:03:34 < englishman> like the pages of a Japanese manga
2015-11-25T04:04:06 < englishman> Crisp. Fresh. Virgin.
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2015-11-25T04:16:46 < karlp> you guys smell funny
2015-11-25T04:16:51 < karlp> crisp, but funny.
2015-11-25T04:17:55 < dongs> 14C out
2015-11-25T04:26:47 < karlp> GargantuaSauce: nice deadpan delivery, "it's complicated"
2015-11-25T04:31:38 < scrts> suo lads?
2015-11-25T04:31:42 < scrts> sup*
2015-11-25T04:31:56 < dongs> R2COM: you mean? proper metal stuff. o.13T usually.
2015-11-25T04:32:33 < karlp> yan_: so you're moving from locm3 to stdperiphlib to have somethign "stable" acn I ask what you felt wasn't good enough?
2015-11-25T04:32:56 < karlp> pid's problem of apb1 vs apb2 wouldn't have happened, just for starters....
2015-11-25T04:33:10 < dongs> the fact that its in 200 folders, and doesn't compile with a real compiler?
2015-11-25T04:33:12 < karlp> pid same question for you, if you have the time :)
2015-11-25T04:39:16 < dongs> lol wow, my pro tek scope just froze
2015-11-25T04:39:46 < scrts> who use tek these days anyway?
2015-11-25T04:39:54 < scrts> it boots for 20 minutes...
2015-11-25T04:39:59 < dongs> that it does...
2015-11-25T04:40:00 < scrts> agilent ftw
2015-11-25T04:40:03 < dongs> blame lunix
2015-11-25T04:40:08 < dongs> agilent? more like KEYSIGHT amirite?
2015-11-25T04:40:24 < scrts> I still use HP/Agilent
2015-11-25T04:40:31 < scrts> cocksite... meh
2015-11-25T04:40:34 < dongs> that means your shit is ancient and nonpro
2015-11-25T04:40:51 < scrts> nah, I mean use the name
2015-11-25T04:41:03 < scrts> the stuff is new
2015-11-25T04:41:05 < dongs> i suppose once i finish assburgering today i can try to see what was up wiht sccb comms on zanocam
2015-11-25T04:41:08 < scrts> and I must say - works really well
2015-11-25T04:41:17 < dongs> i wrote hte code in hotel without any scope/la to check what was doing
2015-11-25T04:41:19 < scrts> btw
2015-11-25T04:41:24 < scrts> whats the status with zano?
2015-11-25T04:41:30 < dongs> dead, in liquidation
2015-11-25T04:41:37 < dongs> money pissed away
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2015-11-25T04:41:46 < dongs> unlikely any will be returned unless dickstarter feels generous
2015-11-25T04:42:07 < scrts> that's official or on dongsnews.com?
2015-11-25T04:42:12 < dongs> official
2015-11-25T04:42:16 < scrts> cool
2015-11-25T04:42:23 < scrts> did you post SAID YA on all forums?
2015-11-25T04:42:38 < dongs> the old one is dead and im banned on all the other ones
2015-11-25T04:42:54 < dongs> BANNED FOR SPEAKING OUT THE TRUF
2015-11-25T04:43:08 < dongs> i bet the dickheads who bant me feel real nice now
2015-11-25T04:43:13 < dongs> cuz they're out 200GBP+ and im out Zero
2015-11-25T04:43:16 < dongs> LOLOLOLL!L!L!L!L!L!
2015-11-25T04:44:20 < scrts> :))
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2015-11-25T04:53:49 < jadew> heh
2015-11-25T04:55:44 < jadew> R2COM, which worms do you have?
2015-11-25T04:59:22 < GargantuaSauce> conficker
2015-11-25T05:01:26 < jadew> would have been funnier if you went for some sort of ass worm
2015-11-25T05:03:12 < GargantuaSauce> i cant make fun of his choice of OS by claiming he has pinworms
2015-11-25T05:19:15 < dongs> god damn i cant find the boards I assembled yesterday
2015-11-25T05:19:19 < dongs> ...
2015-11-25T05:28:15 < bloated> http://i.imgur.com/8y0YfJ3.jpg
2015-11-25T05:31:45 < upgrdman> bloated, i like how the only colored parts are the eyes and the tip of the penis
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2015-11-25T05:40:43 < upgrdman> yay! the little lcd works! http://www.farrellf.com/temp/spi_lcd.jpg
2015-11-25T05:41:11 < dongs> is that logitech MX anywhere
2015-11-25T05:42:04 < upgrdman> no
2015-11-25T05:42:08 < upgrdman> it m905
2015-11-25T05:42:18 < upgrdman> err
2015-11-25T05:42:19 < upgrdman> m705
2015-11-25T05:42:45 < upgrdman> i tried the new mx anywhere $80 mouse with the dual scroll wheels... felt weird in my hand
2015-11-25T05:42:56 < upgrdman> like the thumb wheel / buttons were awkward to dick with
2015-11-25T05:44:19 < emeb_mac> ghetto wiring job dude.
2015-11-25T05:44:33 < dongs> ah
2015-11-25T05:44:36 < emeb_mac> did you solder those duponts right to the flex circuit?
2015-11-25T05:44:38 < dongs> ive got anywhre2 on order
2015-11-25T05:44:41 < dongs> lets hope its not shit
2015-11-25T05:44:57 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, yes. super pro.
2015-11-25T05:45:46 < upgrdman> i gotta make an altium symbol for it and have some dev boards china fab'd. planning to do lcd + f407 + 4 dual gate drivers + wifi + bluetooth
2015-11-25T05:46:07 < upgrdman> hopefully all on a 100mm x 100mm 2L pcb.
2015-11-25T05:46:14 < upgrdman> shouldn't be too hard
2015-11-25T05:46:14 < dongs> wat that is huge
2015-11-25T05:46:17 < emeb_mac> display looks pretty much identical to the ones I've been getting from ebay on breakouts for a few bux
2015-11-25T05:46:33 < upgrdman> dongs, breakouts for lqfp100... the 0.1" are most of the size
2015-11-25T05:46:45 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, ya. it was $2.59 shipped
2015-11-25T05:47:37 < upgrdman> viewing angles kinda suck if R or G or B are <80%
2015-11-25T05:47:53 < upgrdman> but i was gonna do like 4 color mode anyway, so it'll work
2015-11-25T05:48:39 < emeb_mac> you got a hotbar for soldering or do you plan to just do them by hand?
2015-11-25T05:48:46 < upgrdman> by hand
2015-11-25T05:49:00 < bloated> what type of clips are those on the LCD FFC ?
2015-11-25T05:49:21 < upgrdman> it's not too hard, like this: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic4.jpg
2015-11-25T05:49:23 < jadew> they're not clips
2015-11-25T05:49:33 < upgrdman> bloated, just breadboard jumpers
2015-11-25T05:49:39 < upgrdman> that i ghetto soldered
2015-11-25T05:49:42 < Rob235> when debugging and viewing a variable it says:    15 '\017' what is the 17?
2015-11-25T05:49:43 < upgrdman> because im super pro
2015-11-25T05:50:00 < bloated> :/  I wish I could buy 0.1" alligator clips
2015-11-25T05:50:04 < dongs> Rob235: ... octal
2015-11-25T05:50:13 < dongs> aka 0xf
2015-11-25T05:50:17 < dongs> or dec 15
2015-11-25T05:50:27 < Rob235> ahh
2015-11-25T05:50:31 < dongs> also lol @ gdb
2015-11-25T05:50:31 < Rob235> never seen octal before
2015-11-25T05:50:34 < dongs> fucking fail
2015-11-25T05:50:56 < jadew> I've seen it before, never used it
2015-11-25T05:51:06 < dongs> octal is the way of GNU
2015-11-25T05:51:17 < upgrdman> rectal
2015-11-25T05:51:17 < jadew> I don't know why it was even used in the IT industry
2015-11-25T05:51:20 < jadew> it makes no sense
2015-11-25T05:51:33 < bloated> probably made sense in some hardware configuration
2015-11-25T05:51:35 < dongs> it made sense in 1980
2015-11-25T05:51:40 < dongs> which was the last time lunix was updated
2015-11-25T05:51:43 < bloated> back in the days when displays were lightbulbs on a board.
2015-11-25T05:52:13 < jadew> I don't recall any 3 bit machines
2015-11-25T05:52:29 < jadew> there were 4 bit stuff for sure
2015-11-25T05:52:35 < jadew> maybe even 2, but 3?
2015-11-25T05:52:54 < bloated> even now it makes sense. doesn't it help to think of 32 bit registers 4 bits at a time ?
2015-11-25T05:52:57 < bloated> (hex)
2015-11-25T05:53:05 < jadew> that is hex
2015-11-25T05:53:11 < jadew> it occupies 4 bits
2015-11-25T05:53:17 < bloated> yeah, octal is 3 bits.
2015-11-25T05:53:21 < bloated> same principle.
2015-11-25T05:53:30 < jadew> how does 3 bits fit into anything?
2015-11-25T05:54:28 < jadew> they don't fit right in 8 bits, in 16, or in 32
2015-11-25T05:54:35 < jadew> nor 64
2015-11-25T05:55:27 < bloated> lets see if google knows
2015-11-25T05:56:57 < bloated> C, the ancestor of C++ and Java, was originally developed by Dennis Richie on PDP-8s in the early 70s. Those machines had a 12-bit address space, so pointers (addresses) were 12 bits long and most conveniently represented in code by three 4-bit octal digits
2015-11-25T05:57:28 < upgrdman> i recall seeming some OLD documentary, with a computer that used physcial switches on the front panel to enter op codes
2015-11-25T05:57:35 < upgrdman> and three position switches were used
2015-11-25T05:57:41 < upgrdman> and somehow octal was helpful
2015-11-25T05:57:45 < upgrdman> i dont recall why though
2015-11-25T05:58:18 < upgrdman> maybe the switches were like 1-2-4...
2015-11-25T05:58:40 < jadew> I guess it would have felt natural in any way they made it work
2015-11-25T05:58:44 < bloated> word size was also 12 bits on PDP-8
2015-11-25T05:58:56 < jadew> why is a byte 8 bits anyway?
2015-11-25T05:58:58 < jadew> no reason
2015-11-25T05:59:16 < upgrdman> well being a power of 2 is super helpful
2015-11-25T05:59:30 < jadew> yeah, but there are other powers of two :)
2015-11-25T05:59:32 < upgrdman> 4 is really small, and 16 is often too big
2015-11-25T05:59:47 < upgrdman> so back then, 8 was a convient "chunk"
2015-11-25T05:59:56 < jadew> well, they started with 4
2015-11-25T06:00:57 < jadew> it's been a while since I learned the history of computing, but I think that's how it evolved, they had 4 bit instructions
2015-11-25T06:01:01 < jadew> then they went to 8
2015-11-25T06:01:11 < bloated> PDP-11 was 16 bits. instruction and data.
2015-11-25T06:04:51 < jadew> I learned to code on these: http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/pet8032.jpg
2015-11-25T06:05:05 < jadew> I think they were 8 bit
2015-11-25T06:05:15 < jadew> actually, yeah, they should have been
2015-11-25T06:07:51 < jadew> no matter what you're looking for, google manages to sneak one in: http://www.mortic.fw.hu/pic/commgirl.jpg
2015-11-25T06:09:23 < emeb_mac> "4-bit octal digits" - there's an oxymoron.
2015-11-25T06:09:29 < emeb_mac> octal digits are 3-bit
2015-11-25T06:13:03 < jadew> you don't know what they did, they may have used 4 bits to store 8 values and then someone figured it out: "guys, I think I found a way to double the number of values we can store! remember that bit we decided not to use?"
2015-11-25T06:14:56 < aandrew> lol
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2015-11-25T06:27:42 < jadew> did you guys see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8MDCIlOEk
2015-11-25T06:27:45 < jadew> YouTube: EEVblog #822 - World&#39;s Worst Tablet Computer Teardown
2015-11-25T06:28:16 < dongs> no we fucking didnt
2015-11-25T06:28:25 < dongs> god damn every fucking idiot linked me that fucking thing like 10 times
2015-11-25T06:28:38 < dongs> does anyone serious actually want to watch this sellout's annoying shit?
2015-11-25T06:28:44 < jadew> thanks for the compliment
2015-11-25T06:29:11 < jadew> it was linked because there's something worth seeing
2015-11-25T06:29:16 < dongs> hardly
2015-11-25T06:29:29 < dongs> its another sensational bullshit piece by the self-aggrandizing youtube "EE"
2015-11-25T06:30:05 < dongs> CLEARLY IM JUST TROLLIN BUT U KNO THERE"S S BIT OF TRUTH IN THAT
2015-11-25T06:30:12 < dongs> (dave is a faggot)
2015-11-25T06:30:27 < dongs> wat happen in tunisia
2015-11-25T06:30:31 < dongs> its on japtv news
2015-11-25T06:30:33 < dongs> ARAB24
2015-11-25T06:30:50 < dongs> duno
2015-11-25T06:31:27 < dongs> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/world/africa/tunis-tunisia-explosion.html?_r=0
2015-11-25T06:31:27 < dongs> lool
2015-11-25T06:34:05 < bloated> Erdogan.
2015-11-25T06:34:32 < bloated> did you see the news of the al Qaida suicide bomber who blew up ISIS meeting ?
2015-11-25T06:35:30 < Rob235> dongs: I have a breakpoint on line 8 and data should be equal to 0xAC or 0x7C but it equals 0x4C or 0x0C or something, seems to have the last 4 bits right or maybe just some coincidence.  any idea what could be going on? http://pastebin.com/HMGTAV06
2015-11-25T06:35:35 < bloated> don't worry. This is very good news for Putin.
2015-11-25T06:36:13 < bloated> Turkey has established precedent. Russia is only country operating in Syria legally. Everyone else including Turkey and US is there illegally. Now its open season for Russia to shoot down anyone else.
2015-11-25T06:41:35 < bloated> if Putin is sensible there won't be any war. Russia stands to gain a lot by standing down now and looking reasonable.
2015-11-25T06:41:47 < bloated> Makes Turkey and America look like terrorist sympathizers.
2015-11-25T06:41:55 < bloated> which they are to be frank.
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2015-11-25T06:43:12 < bloated> Which genius in Washington came up with this "moderate terrorist" brainfart ...
2015-11-25T06:43:38 < bloated> We're only opposed to the Extreme Extremists!
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2015-11-25T07:01:40 < dongs> hah
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2015-11-25T07:19:03 < dongs> wow
2015-11-25T07:19:08 < dongs> keil for F0/L0 is free
2015-11-25T07:19:10 < dongs> and unlimited code size
2015-11-25T07:19:33 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1533/PF257456
2015-11-25T07:19:54 < dongs> lol you fucking faggot
2015-11-25T07:19:58 < dongs> and waht real compiler supporst c++11?
2015-11-25T07:20:06 < upgrdman> gcc
2015-11-25T07:20:11 < dongs> > real compiler
2015-11-25T07:20:22 < dongs> yea, real SHIT
2015-11-25T07:20:28 < upgrdman> the arm fags support it. > real
2015-11-25T07:20:50 < jpa-> msvc++ supports it also
2015-11-25T07:21:19 < dongs> haha arm guys must be trolling a bit
2015-11-25T07:21:21 < jpa-> and yeah, armcc mostly also
2015-11-25T07:21:24 < dongs> the product serial number for free mdk is U1E21-CM9GY-L3G4L
2015-11-25T07:21:32 < dongs> 'L3G4L', heh
2015-11-25T07:21:38 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-25T07:21:54 < Rob235> well thats annoying.  I just realized I don't have a charger for the frsky taranis.  damn hobbyking...
2015-11-25T07:22:30 < jpa-> charge with lab psu for now? :P
2015-11-25T07:23:12 < dongs> Rob235: mine is still in the or iginal box
2015-11-25T07:23:15 < dongs> doesnt it come with a charger>
2015-11-25T07:23:23 < Rob235> not from hobbyking since they ship around the world
2015-11-25T07:23:32 < Rob235> so they have 3 different versions
2015-11-25T07:23:47 < dongs> oic
2015-11-25T07:23:51 < dongs> i got mine @ banggood mistake sale
2015-11-25T07:23:52 < dongs> for $150
2015-11-25T07:23:59 < dongs> looks liek charger is regular DC barrel jack
2015-11-25T07:24:02 < Rob235> just ordered one for about $6 +$6 shipping
2015-11-25T07:24:18 < dongs> you dont have something wiht that barrel jack laying around?
2015-11-25T07:24:26 < dongs> or even a psu
2015-11-25T07:24:31 < Rob235> yea, its just a 12v 500mA power supply but I don't have one
2015-11-25T07:24:44 < dongs> dongs.
2015-11-25T07:24:47 < Rob235> i'll check later but I don't think so
2015-11-25T07:25:00 < Rob235> only one I saw is 15v
2015-11-25T07:28:04 < englishman> your tardanis should stay in box, total junk
2015-11-25T07:28:32 < dongs> lolz
2015-11-25T07:29:07 < englishman> BTW you aren't missing anything in eevshit video, totally uninformative video reviewing ancient Chinese artifacts
2015-11-25T07:29:37 < dongs> knew it
2015-11-25T07:30:25 < englishman> You are missing amazing clonelabs drama tho
2015-11-25T07:30:39 < dongs> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/kickstarter-learned-of-zano-collapse-through-a-bare-bones-project-update/
2015-11-25T07:30:42 < dongs> haha
2015-11-25T07:30:49 < dongs> englishman: which one? trianglequads?
2015-11-25T07:30:51 < dongs> or something else
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2015-11-25T07:31:56 < englishman> True fact: Cyrus has made more money off zano than ivan
2015-11-25T07:32:26 < dongs> you're probably not wrong
2015-11-25T07:32:43 < dongs> NCP1337DR2G
2015-11-25T07:32:57 < dongs> funky-ass package
2015-11-25T07:32:58 < dongs> SOIC-7
2015-11-25T07:33:01 < dongs> yes, one leg is missing
2015-11-25T07:35:44 < englishman> any Kickstarter ‘backers’ that attempt to gain access at the creditors’ meeting on December 4, 2015 will be refused entry."
2015-11-25T07:35:54 < englishman> Comedy gold
2015-11-25T07:36:57 < englishman> 1337 is suspicious
2015-11-25T07:37:06 < jpa-> just hope that isis did not buy any zanos
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2015-11-25T07:45:57 < dongs> pretty sure he wrote "backers" but meant "retards"
2015-11-25T07:53:04 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/TE3KI73.gifv
2015-11-25T07:56:57 < dongs> fucking arduino fags
2015-11-25T08:05:07 < dongs> goddamn microusb3 is the most fucking idiot connector ever
2015-11-25T08:05:20 < dongs> they're all made like SHIT and super flimsy and just a little fucking movement and fucking thing disconnectrs
2015-11-25T08:09:15 < jpa-> it even looks totally idiotic
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2015-11-25T09:04:26 < ReadError> whats pumping pumper
2015-11-25T09:07:55 < ReadError> if you finish the night with an odd number of beers, hangover
2015-11-25T09:08:01 < ReadError> suggest you drink 1 more for good measure
2015-11-25T09:08:15 < ReadError> pp4l
2015-11-25T09:09:04 < dongs> fucking pumper
2015-11-25T09:09:18 < dongs> fuck off
2015-11-25T09:11:19 < dongs> i call you a pumper
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2015-11-25T09:25:53 < qyx> blown: try emeb
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2015-11-25T09:36:54 < THE-PUMPER> can the STM32 drive CRTs?
2015-11-25T09:37:21 < jpa-> yes, with external DAC (internal one is not fast enough)
2015-11-25T09:37:26 < THE-PUMPER> yeah
2015-11-25T09:37:29 < jpa-> at the simplest that would be a few resistors
2015-11-25T09:37:36 < THE-PUMPER> i want to use an RGB digitizer
2015-11-25T09:38:00 < THE-PUMPER> my goal is to try and drive most interlaced displays into progressive scan
2015-11-25T09:38:28 < jpa-> what is the point of using crts nowadays, interlaced or not?
2015-11-25T09:38:39 < THE-PUMPER> x-rays for retro appeal
2015-11-25T09:38:51 < THE-PUMPER> nah i likes em
2015-11-25T09:39:43 < THE-PUMPER> they're fun for old school gaming.
2015-11-25T09:44:00 < PeterM> your name is obnoxious, please, stop
2015-11-25T09:44:14 < THE-PUMPER> sorry?
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2015-11-25T09:45:24 < PeterM> much better
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2015-11-25T11:09:06 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/Q0mpbWk.jpg
2015-11-25T11:09:09 < dongs> well, thats cute
2015-11-25T11:09:16 < dongs> my MCO is outputting 300Hz
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2015-11-25T11:11:31 < dongs> hmm
2015-11-25T11:11:40 < dongs> wtf
2015-11-25T11:11:49 < dongs> and theres not enough dividers to go from pllclk...
2015-11-25T11:17:33 < dongs> k, got it working from 12MHz HSE
2015-11-25T11:17:36 < dongs> but that sounds kinda lame
2015-11-25T11:17:59 < dongs> HSI = max 8MHz output, plus up to /5 divider
2015-11-25T11:18:06 < dongs> HSE = max whatever xtal output, plus up to /5 divider
2015-11-25T11:18:17 < dongs> PLLCLK = 168mhz, but /5 is no enough to make any useful outputs
2015-11-25T11:18:20 < dongs> ...
2015-11-25T11:18:31 < dongs> wat if I wanna do like 64mhz
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2015-11-25T11:36:23 < dongs> heh the fucking sccb code i copypasted only handles 8bit subaddresses
2015-11-25T11:36:26 < dongs> and this camera is all 16bit
2015-11-25T11:36:31 < dongs> no wonder its no replying
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2015-11-25T11:38:51 < dongs> nice, works now
2015-11-25T11:43:04 < Roklobsta> yer zano clone?
2015-11-25T11:43:25 < dongs> yes
2015-11-25T11:43:35 < Roklobsta> ETA?
2015-11-25T11:43:45 < dongs> very low priority so unsure
2015-11-25T11:43:49 < Roklobsta> you still have another 18months in Zano time.
2015-11-25T11:43:53 < dongs> yes
2015-11-25T11:43:55 < dongs> exactly
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2015-11-25T12:04:07 < __rob> adc is not 5v tolerant on a 5v tolerant pin right ?
2015-11-25T12:05:12 < dongs> zyp noticed most of new chips, most of ADC pins are 5V tolerant. but probably not when in ADC AF
2015-11-25T12:08:59 < jpa-> usually there is footnote about that
2015-11-25T12:09:21 < dongs> yes
2015-11-25T12:09:25 < dongs> TTc or something i forget
2015-11-25T12:09:32 < dongs> its in that big table of pins
2015-11-25T12:09:34 < dongs> in datsheet
2015-11-25T12:10:25 < dongs> uh huh
2015-11-25T12:10:28 < dongs> they dumped that notation
2015-11-25T12:10:32 < __rob> well
2015-11-25T12:10:46 < dongs> a, TTa
2015-11-25T12:10:47 < __rob> it does say "FT 5v tolerant except analog mode"
2015-11-25T12:10:48 < __rob> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00119316.pdf
2015-11-25T12:10:51 < __rob> page 146
2015-11-25T12:10:57 < __rob> uhhh 143
2015-11-25T12:10:58 < dongs> Input voltage on TTa pins . 0.3 - VDDA+
2015-11-25T12:10:58 < dongs> 0.3
2015-11-25T12:11:19 < dongs> TTa are all the analog shits
2015-11-25T12:11:21 < __rob> but there is still a diode clamp there
2015-11-25T12:11:32 < __rob> so I dont see why that would not protect it in analog @ 5v
2015-11-25T12:11:37 < dongs> ...
2015-11-25T12:11:43 < dongs> why dont you try it out, ASSHOLE
2015-11-25T12:11:57 < dongs> i dont think you wanna bring ADC pin above VDDA
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2015-11-25T12:12:27 < dongs> absolute maximum for those is 4.0V
2015-11-25T12:12:37 < dongs> im looking at F427/9 datasheet.
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2015-11-25T12:14:02 < __rob> http://i.snag.gy/QqkS6.jpg
2015-11-25T12:14:13 < __rob> there is an arrow on the right "Analog"
2015-11-25T12:14:31 < dongs> mhm
2015-11-25T12:14:40 < __rob> yea, is that the Analog input ?
2015-11-25T12:14:53 < dongs> i think so
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2015-11-25T12:15:07 < __rob> looks like it would still clamp tho
2015-11-25T12:15:08 < ReadError> i fed 12v to an ADC once
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2015-11-25T12:15:18 < __rob> to VDD_FT+0.7
2015-11-25T12:15:19 < ReadError> made all of PORTC go batshit
2015-11-25T12:15:25 < ReadError> but didnt kill anything
2015-11-25T12:16:22 < PeterM> __rob, the clamping diodes are to vdd_ft, not to vdda, so you'll still cook your analog stuff
2015-11-25T12:17:15 < __rob> vdda is the same voltage as vdd, which presumably means vdd_ft is the same too
2015-11-25T12:18:28 < __rob> I love that all the questions on the st forum for "what is vdd_ft voltage" are unanswered
2015-11-25T12:20:18 < dongs> protecting from cloning
2015-11-25T12:20:22 < dongs> by gigadevice
2015-11-25T12:26:35 < dongs> how do I generate 1khz sinewave into 24kHz/16bit buffer
2015-11-25T12:29:20 < __rob> use sin() ?
2015-11-25T12:30:59 < jpa-> 24kHz being a nice even multiple, you can even just hardcode a table
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2015-11-25T12:41:52 < dongs> yeah, with what params
2015-11-25T12:41:54 < dongs> hardcode is wat i want
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2015-11-25T12:43:07 < dongs> for (i = 0; i < 1024; i++) { buf[i] = ??? sin() ???; }
2015-11-25T12:43:11 < dongs> what do I do @ ??? parts
2015-11-25T12:44:14 < jpa-> 32768 + sin(i * 2 * M_PI / 1024) * 32767;
2015-11-25T12:44:17 < mitrax>  sin((2*PI*i)/24)
2015-11-25T12:44:48 < jpa-> well yeah, if your samplerate is only 24kHz, you only need buffer length of 24
2015-11-25T12:45:08 < jpa-> because anything more than that would be just repeating the same values if the frequency is exactly divisible
2015-11-25T12:45:32 < DanteA> Hm. /1023 if you want max valve also
2015-11-25T12:45:43 < jpa-> DanteA: nope, because last is first
2015-11-25T12:45:45 < dongs> if I wanted to attenuate it?
2015-11-25T12:45:50 < dongs> * 32767 part?
2015-11-25T12:45:54 < jpa-> yea
2015-11-25T12:45:57 < dongs> excellent
2015-11-25T12:46:01 < DanteA> Depends at goals
2015-11-25T12:46:16 < jpa-> DanteA: i guess dongs will loop around and around the buffer in circular mode
2015-11-25T12:46:21 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-25T12:46:29 < dongs> im trying t ofigure out the fuck is wrong wiht my DMA stuff
2015-11-25T12:46:32 < DanteA> In that case yep
2015-11-25T12:46:34 < dongs> it works standalone, doesnt when readingform SD
2015-11-25T12:47:16 < jpa-> you have 16 bit DAC?
2015-11-25T12:47:20 < dongs> 12bit
2015-11-25T12:47:26 < jpa-> using left aligned mode?
2015-11-25T12:47:28 < dongs> yes
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2015-11-25T12:55:23 < dongs> hmm
2015-11-25T12:55:25 < dongs> seems very low
2015-11-25T12:55:51 < dongs> i get like 25Hz
2015-11-25T12:55:58 < dongs> with 32768 + sin(i * 2 * M_PI / 1024.0) * 32768;
2015-11-25T12:58:57 < jpa-> yea
2015-11-25T12:59:47 < dongs>  /24.0 worked
2015-11-25T12:59:54 < dongs> at least i get clicky 1kHz sine
2015-11-25T12:59:56 < dongs> good enough
2015-11-25T13:03:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VQjZ9M6.png close enough
2015-11-25T13:03:34 < jpa-> lol
2015-11-25T13:03:41 < jpa-> why so clicky
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2015-11-25T13:10:48 < mitrax> if the sample rate is 24Khz, 1024 is more than a period... there's a new sin starting from 1008 to 1023, if you loop your buffer it should be a multiple of 24, 1008 bytes not 1024
2015-11-25T13:12:25 < jpa-> yeah, period is badly chosen but there should be one click every 40 ms, not so huge amount of clicks
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2015-11-25T13:26:24 < Mr_Sheesh> 25 Hz then
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2015-11-25T13:33:39 < dongs> yes 1008 is smooth
2015-11-25T13:33:54 < dongs> k now to see if this is really SDcard DMA related
2015-11-25T13:37:18 < dongs> ok.
2015-11-25T13:37:21 < dongs> its fucking sdcard.
2015-11-25T13:37:25 < dongs> what the fuck!
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2015-11-25T13:38:48 < dongs> SDIO is on DMA2_Stream3 / Channel 4
2015-11-25T13:39:00 < dongs> wave is on DMA1_Stream6 / Channel 7
2015-11-25T13:39:10 < dongs> i can do DMA1+DMA2 at same time RIGHT?...
2015-11-25T13:39:59 < jpa-> sure
2015-11-25T13:40:03 < dongs> then wtf
2015-11-25T13:40:09 < jpa-> as long as it is different streams and you are not hitting the erratas
2015-11-25T13:40:12 < dongs> i removed sdio initalization and it "works"
2015-11-25T13:40:20 < jpa-> IIRC the erratas only affect FSMC anyway
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2015-11-25T13:44:47 < dongs> nothign about sdio+dac in errata
2015-11-25T13:45:35 < jpa-> yea
2015-11-25T13:49:48 < dongs> hm
2015-11-25T13:54:19 < dongs> its something else bizzare
2015-11-25T13:54:24 < dongs> if I just recompile the app it doesnt work
2015-11-25T13:54:28 < dongs> randomly
2015-11-25T13:54:50 < jpa-> hm, the binary changes between no modifications?
2015-11-25T13:54:57 < jpa-> sounds like a broken compiler, try gcc instead
2015-11-25T13:55:38 < dongs> if I add for (i = 0; i < 1000; i++); into main(); it doesnt work.
2015-11-25T13:56:21 < dongs> its not crashing or anything. it just doesnt complete / start any DMA.
2015-11-25T13:56:55 < dongs> moved one line to anothe function, doesnt work
2015-11-25T13:57:48 < dongs> works in -O3
2015-11-25T13:57:51 < dongs> not in O0
2015-11-25T13:57:54 < dongs> okay, this is fucking weirds
2015-11-25T13:58:44 < jpa-> race condition somewhere
2015-11-25T13:59:06 < dongs> on what?
2015-11-25T13:59:10 < dongs> the code doesnt evne do anything special
2015-11-25T13:59:29 < jpa-> trace the code and see what happens differently?
2015-11-25T13:59:33 < dongs> i did
2015-11-25T14:00:11 < dongs> this is just testcode so its basically main cal;ling setup(), then playwave()
2015-11-25T14:00:12 < dongs> thats it.
2015-11-25T14:00:35 < dongs> if I add that blank for loop or move GPIO_SEtBits that turns on amp outside main() then DMA doesnt start.
2015-11-25T14:04:04 < dongs> this is fucking retarded. wtf
2015-11-25T14:12:49 < dongs> .. something about buffer alignment maybe?!
2015-11-25T14:13:22 < dongs> 0x2000006c   Data        1024
2015-11-25T14:13:24 < dongs> works
2015-11-25T14:13:42 < dongs> hmm same
2015-11-25T14:13:48 < dongs> even if i move the nonworking bit out of main()
2015-11-25T14:14:49 < qyx> some getty-like bugs
2015-11-25T14:17:04 < dongs> if I dont zero-init ram on startup, it doesnt work at all
2015-11-25T14:18:20 < dongs> gets better
2015-11-25T14:18:33 < dongs> if I step, breakpoint on 0x2000006c   Data        1024
2015-11-25T14:18:34 < dongs> er
2015-11-25T14:18:39 < dongs> breakpoint on TIM_Cmd(TIM6, ENABLE);
2015-11-25T14:18:45 < dongs> and execute one line
2015-11-25T14:18:51 < dongs> it works and starts beeping
2015-11-25T14:18:57 < dongs> if I run/conrtinue at that point
2015-11-25T14:18:59 < dongs> it doesnt start dma.
2015-11-25T14:22:40 < dongs>     TIM6->CR1 |= TIM_CR1_CEN;
2015-11-25T14:22:40 < dongs>     delayWaitms(10);
2015-11-25T14:22:42 < dongs> this works...
2015-11-25T14:22:54 < dongs> < 10ms = doesnt start
2015-11-25T14:23:04 < dongs> my next line after that is while (DMA_GetFlagStatus(DMA1_Stream6, DMA_FLAG_HTIF6) == RESET);
2015-11-25T14:23:31 < dongs> do I need to wait on some flag for DMA to begin before I can query for its other flags?
2015-11-25T14:23:57 < dongs> never mind that doesnt work either
2015-11-25T14:24:13 < dongs> works once then not again
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2015-11-25T16:08:37 < dongs> http://blog.estately.com/2015/11/the-states-where-youre-most-likely-to-encounter-fights-at-black-friday-sales/
2015-11-25T16:10:07 < Getty> i am still not getting this black friday thing
2015-11-25T16:11:25 < Getty> when i saw the picture i just thought about how could there be more win in those sales if your store after that needs a renovation
2015-11-25T16:11:31 < Getty> the pictures
2015-11-25T16:13:19 < Getty> these days its really stupid for people not to buy online if they want "the best deal"
2015-11-25T16:14:04 < dongs> seriously
2015-11-25T16:14:16 < dongs> and online you can be suckered into buying more shit so easily
2015-11-25T16:14:25 < dongs> you get  $100 off and go buy $100 worth of shit you didnt need
2015-11-25T16:14:28 < dongs> such a deal!
2015-11-25T16:14:45 < Getty> wait wait, technical its more easy to bring more stuff to people if they are already in your physical store
2015-11-25T16:14:52 < Getty> i think its much harder to animate people to buy more online
2015-11-25T16:15:51 < jpa-> online you just need "free shipping for orders over $100"
2015-11-25T16:16:05 < dongs> fucking assmag
2015-11-25T16:16:12 < dongs> they got me on their spam list
2015-11-25T16:16:17 < jpa-> irl my reaction to stores is more like "zomg i want to get out of here now"
2015-11-25T16:16:20 < dongs> and im trying to unsubscribe and i think their unsub links in email are busty
2015-11-25T16:16:22 < dongs> bust
2015-11-25T16:16:32 < jpa-> busty unsub links.. hmm
2015-11-25T16:16:48 < dongs> hm looks like secutech sold my info
2015-11-25T16:16:50 < dongs> fucking assholes
2015-11-25T16:17:07 < Getty> jpa-: since amazon prime that is no interesting deal ;)
2015-11-25T16:17:12 < dongs> lol the hage a fucking captcha for UNSUBSCRIBE
2015-11-25T16:17:38 < Getty> dongs: as far as i heard it is not required that unsubscribe links work, they just need to exist ;)
2015-11-25T16:17:48 < dongs> right
2015-11-25T16:17:55 < dongs> the shit i click in thier email jsut goes to like
2015-11-25T16:18:08 < dongs> Confirm your unsubscription:!*EMAIL*!
2015-11-25T16:18:33 < dongs> ok looks like that really was in url.
2015-11-25T16:18:39 < dongs> swapped my email address and hopefully they're gone
2015-11-25T16:18:49 < jpa-> Getty: well, amazon prime is just a way to get people to buy more from amazon - they have their own ways of selling more stuff then
2015-11-25T16:19:07 < Getty> jpa-: yeah but since then the "free shipping" is not that kind of a interesting offer
2015-11-25T16:19:22 < dongs> is that a big deal?
2015-11-25T16:19:25 < jpa-> eh :)
2015-11-25T16:19:27 < Getty> blown: LOL me too ;) and a fridge and a washing machine
2015-11-25T16:19:32 < dongs> yea, same
2015-11-25T16:19:47 < Getty> the fridge was the best shit, freezer giant thing
2015-11-25T16:19:52 < Getty> could fit in 2 bodies there
2015-11-25T16:20:07 < Getty> and it was like half the price the local shops offered
2015-11-25T16:20:35 < Getty> the washing machine was also good, the delivery guys directly installed it, part of the online service
2015-11-25T16:20:52 < Getty> no extra charge
2015-11-25T16:21:07 < Getty> oh and they took the old one
2015-11-25T16:22:12 < Getty> also fascinating on the fridge: the delivery service directly linked us into their delivery system
2015-11-25T16:22:32 < Getty> we received SMS that the guy is now starting his tour towards us and reaches in 231 minutes or something
2015-11-25T16:22:47 < Getty> we knew exactly the minute they arrived at our door
2015-11-25T16:23:07 < Getty> \o/ yeah that would be great, didnt saw that yet in germany
2015-11-25T16:23:12 < Getty> but i didnt ordered since 2 years ......
2015-11-25T16:23:18 < Getty> you know... the fridge ;-))))))
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2015-11-25T16:23:41 < Getty> my mother stocked it up with so much precooked food
2015-11-25T16:23:54 < Getty> there is nothing better as motherfood!
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2015-11-25T16:24:34 < Getty> well it is pretty logical ;) genetical and by social behaviour i think
2015-11-25T16:24:56 < Getty> beside the side effect of remembering the child years while eating
2015-11-25T16:25:09 < jpa-> and being lazy
2015-11-25T16:25:15 < Getty> primary reason
2015-11-25T16:25:16 < Getty> eh ;)
2015-11-25T16:25:24 < Getty> food is only good if someone else cooks it
2015-11-25T16:26:35 < Getty> its really good that my mother in her old days got a "i need to get new recipes"-trip
2015-11-25T16:26:42 < Getty> her chinese food is so..... unbelievable
2015-11-25T16:27:39 < Getty> oh shit, and how was it?
2015-11-25T16:28:05 < Getty> but WHICH dead animal? ;)
2015-11-25T16:29:09 < Getty> that sounds good
2015-11-25T16:29:27 < Getty> normally if people talk about uncommon meat: "it tastes like chicken"
2015-11-25T16:31:38 < Getty> since i hate wild meat i dont try tasting a lot of experiemental meat
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2015-11-25T17:03:34 < jon1012> haven't heard of zano in a while here, are you guys sick ?
2015-11-25T17:04:08 < emeryth> zano is dead
2015-11-25T17:04:12 < Laurenceb> bankrupt
2015-11-25T17:04:27 < Laurenceb> but yeah we are all still sick in the head
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2015-11-25T17:07:37 < jon1012> haha
2015-11-25T17:08:47 < Laurenceb> Ivan ran away resulting in epic dramaz
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2015-11-25T17:09:49 < ReadError> Laurenceb will you attend the meeting on the 4th of dec
2015-11-25T17:09:54 < ReadError> and liveblog it
2015-11-25T17:10:34 < Laurenceb> what is happening then?
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2015-11-25T17:10:52 < ReadError> https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2436481
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2015-11-25T17:28:39 < ReadError> well mr potter?
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2015-11-25T17:40:53 < Laurenceb> couldn't care less
2015-11-25T17:40:58 < Laurenceb> might attend an auction
2015-11-25T17:51:42 < Sync> and get 20k zano cases?
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2015-11-25T17:54:46 < upgrdman_> what's the formula for the voltage across a cap when fed DC through a resistor? something e^rc iirc.
2015-11-25T17:57:01 < trepidacious> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capchg.html
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2015-11-25T17:59:48 < upgrdman_> This webpage is not available
2015-11-25T17:59:48 < upgrdman_> ERR_CONNECTION_RESET
2015-11-25T17:59:53 < upgrdman_> :(
2015-11-25T18:00:09 < upgrdman_> now it works. wtf. had to refresh liek 5 times
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2015-11-25T18:05:11 < trepidacious> Yeah it was a bit slow for me too...
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2015-11-25T18:36:12 < Rob235> this is such a stupid problem to have.  didn't know my radio didn't come with a charger and I just used up the first charge and now I have to wait for a charger to come to keep going
2015-11-25T18:36:54 < Rob235> not flying yet but getting the receiver working
2015-11-25T18:37:19 < GargantuaSauce> how do you not have a lipo charger if you're doing rc stuff?
2015-11-25T18:37:29 < GargantuaSauce> or is this some dumb internal permanent battery
2015-11-25T18:37:30 < Rob235> its not lipo its nimh
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2015-11-25T18:37:42 < Rob235> I can replace it with a lipo but I only have 4s and it takes 2-3s
2015-11-25T18:37:58 < Rob235> this is my first rc project
2015-11-25T18:38:06 < jpa-> you don't have lab powersupply either?
2015-11-25T18:38:11 < Rob235> nope
2015-11-25T18:38:14 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNW13b09qNWJpZ1k/view?usp=sharing time to finish this board with thousands of vias
2015-11-25T18:38:25 < kakimir> critique please
2015-11-25T18:38:29 < jpa-> but if it was just 12V 500mA power supply like you said yesterday, any store should have one
2015-11-25T18:38:31 < Rob235> first hardware project too
2015-11-25T18:39:00 < Rob235> what about barrel size?
2015-11-25T18:39:05 < jpa-> kakimir: is there supposed to be more than just that one crappy 3d screenshot?
2015-11-25T18:39:09 < Rob235> is there a 'most common' size?
2015-11-25T18:39:18 < englishman> which tx
2015-11-25T18:39:25 < Rob235> taranis x9d plus
2015-11-25T18:39:31 < kakimir> jpa-: no way
2015-11-25T18:39:32 < englishman> it didnt come with charger???
2015-11-25T18:39:39 < jpa-> Rob235: usually they sell power supplies that have bazillion adapters
2015-11-25T18:39:58 < Rob235> no, hobbyking ships internationally so I didn't realize they take the charger out and you buy it separately so you get the right one
2015-11-25T18:40:00 < jpa-> kakimir: ok, well then one does not really see enough to say anything except "looks too large and ugly"
2015-11-25T18:40:07 < kakimir> good
2015-11-25T18:40:09 < englishman> lol, rage inducing
2015-11-25T18:40:21 < kakimir> it should be too large
2015-11-25T18:40:36 < englishman> yeah any 12v charger will do
2015-11-25T18:40:42 < englishman> not even charger, power supply
2015-11-25T18:40:49 < Rob235> yea charger is built in
2015-11-25T18:41:20 < Rob235> maybe i'll stop by a hobby shop, if they dont have a power supply I could at least pick up a cheap lipo
2015-11-25T18:41:30 < englishman> do you have a lipo charger
2015-11-25T18:41:32 < Rob235> yea
2015-11-25T18:41:34 < englishman> cuz most do nimh too
2015-11-25T18:41:43 < Steffanx> Aah i already missed your sma connector boards
2015-11-25T18:41:51 < Rob235> oh really?
2015-11-25T18:41:58 < Steffanx> But there is one, kakimir
2015-11-25T18:41:58 < englishman> well sure
2015-11-25T18:42:07 < englishman> before lipo all rc was nimh
2015-11-25T18:42:09 < jpa-> kakimir: what exactly are you trying to find out about that stepper driver?
2015-11-25T18:42:20 < jpa-> kakimir: why not just make the final application board instead of such a breakout?
2015-11-25T18:42:29 < kakimir> I don't know yet
2015-11-25T18:42:37 < mitrax> sma galore... a dozen!
2015-11-25T18:42:56 < kakimir> I can make 10 of those and find use for every board I order
2015-11-25T18:43:19 < kakimir> also test setup with mcu becomes more.. better
2015-11-25T18:43:25 < kakimir> easier
2015-11-25T18:43:33 < kakimir> good looking sma cables
2015-11-25T18:43:44 < jpa-> what use will you find?
2015-11-25T18:44:02 < mitrax> kakimir: are you opening a pizza place?
2015-11-25T18:44:30 < kakimir> I didn't get that one mitrax
2015-11-25T18:45:00 < mitrax> kakimir: wasn't your board something to control an electric oven?
2015-11-25T18:45:26 < kakimir> not this one
2015-11-25T18:45:31 < kakimir> one on the floor is
2015-11-25T18:45:43 < jpa-> this board is for spinning the pizzas?
2015-11-25T18:45:54 < mitrax> kakimir: oh i thought it was the oven thing redesigned, cause it had a bunch of sma as the previous one
2015-11-25T18:46:08 < kakimir> I actually connect this to one of those
2015-11-25T18:46:24 < kakimir> !
2015-11-25T18:46:31 < jpa-> kakimir: how fast are you driving the stepper? it seems ridiculous to use sma there, wouldn't a pin header work just fine?
2015-11-25T18:46:32 < Steffanx> ¡
2015-11-25T18:46:41 < kakimir> 500khz
2015-11-25T18:47:30 < Steffanx> How expensive are your sma connectors kakimir?
2015-11-25T18:47:54 < kakimir> pretty inexpensive
2015-11-25T18:48:08 < kakimir> like nothing
2015-11-25T18:48:46 < kakimir> cables are 2eur piece I think
2015-11-25T18:48:55 < kakimir> with connectors in them!
2015-11-25T18:48:56 < jpa-> lol
2015-11-25T18:48:59 < mitrax> you stole a truck full of sma? :)
2015-11-25T18:49:04 < jpa-> with pin headers that would be like 50 for 2 eur
2015-11-25T18:49:09 < kakimir> rf not-ready cables I suppose
2015-11-25T18:49:26 < mitrax> "gotta use them now!"
2015-11-25T18:49:29 < jpa-> 500kHz is not RF anyway
2015-11-25T18:49:44 < kakimir> jpa-: well it's not made to production quantity but just a few
2015-11-25T18:50:00 < kakimir> it was like 100connectors for 20eur
2015-11-25T18:50:20 < jpa-> yeah, just don't see any advantage of SMA here
2015-11-25T18:50:28 < jpa-> well, i don't see the point at all
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2015-11-25T18:51:09 < zyp> maybe it looks cool?
2015-11-25T18:51:12 < kakimir> can making those via walls to sides of power stripes be harmful
2015-11-25T18:52:18 < mitrax> zyp: golden and shiny sma...!
2015-11-25T18:52:22  * mitrax pictures kakimir as gollum now
2015-11-25T18:52:42 < jpa-> kakimir: harmful for what?
2015-11-25T18:52:45 < kakimir> mitrax: that is not too far fetched
2015-11-25T18:52:48 < BrainDamage> maybe he has a circuit with one side of more than 100m
2015-11-25T18:52:56 < BrainDamage> then 500kHz becomes rf too
2015-11-25T18:53:17 < jpa-> or maybe his 500kHz signal has rise time of 1ns
2015-11-25T18:53:41 < jpa-> like one very emi-friendly epson display controller does
2015-11-25T18:53:42 < kakimir> totally
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2015-11-25T18:54:04 < kakimir> how much typical mcu outputs are?
2015-11-25T18:54:07 < jpa-> kakimir: why do you bother with a ground fill there anyway? it's all ragged
2015-11-25T18:54:12 < jpa-> stm32 has configurable
2015-11-25T18:54:34 < kakimir> :D
2015-11-25T18:54:51 < kakimir> for every seperate pin?
2015-11-25T18:55:00 < jpa-> yes
2015-11-25T18:55:10 < kakimir> that's nice
2015-11-25T18:55:18 < jpa-> what's the point of those via walls?
2015-11-25T18:55:40 < kakimir> ground integrity
2015-11-25T18:55:46 < jpa-> huh?
2015-11-25T18:55:46 < kakimir> at least
2015-11-25T18:56:05 < jpa-> what does that mean?
2015-11-25T18:56:33 < GargantuaSauce> my cargo cult alarms are ringing
2015-11-25T18:56:53 < karlp> all hail the mighty dc9^h^h^hSMA connector
2015-11-25T18:56:54 < GargantuaSauce> also sma for stepper signals is fucking fantastic, never change it
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2015-11-25T18:57:43 < kakimir> 500khz stepper controller is more useable when not used as a stepper at all
2015-11-25T18:58:13 < jpa-> kakimir: are you trying to make a coplanar waveguide? i'm not sure how the vias go with that
2015-11-25T18:58:16 < kakimir> can make compact CC supplies and stuff
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2015-11-25T18:58:36 < kakimir> jpa-: I don't know but it sounds good
2015-11-25T18:58:51 < jpa-> so you are just putting vias randomly
2015-11-25T18:58:53 < jpa-> ok, fair enough
2015-11-25T18:58:59 < jpa-> i guess you can be artistic if you want
2015-11-25T18:59:07 < jpa-> wouldn't buy your art, though
2015-11-25T18:59:07 < kakimir> hey
2015-11-25T18:59:20 < zyp> :)
2015-11-25T18:59:23 < kakimir> is there need for vias in middle of solid copper areas
2015-11-25T18:59:34 < kakimir> if sides are filled completelly with vias
2015-11-25T19:00:07 < jpa-> well.. there is no need to fill the sides completely with vias
2015-11-25T19:00:19 < kakimir> like a box with sides that are solid via row
2015-11-25T19:00:20 < jpa-> at a minimum you need vias next to any high current points
2015-11-25T19:00:30 < kakimir> that much I know
2015-11-25T19:00:40 < jpa-> if you have emc shield box, it makes sense to have a via row there so that the faraday cage is not broken
2015-11-25T19:00:41 < GargantuaSauce> proper decoupling is a lot more effective than eliminating supply inductance
2015-11-25T19:00:43 < kakimir> but I wonder if solid areas like resonate of stuff
2015-11-25T19:01:06 < jpa-> and if you have large (especially narrow) empty areas, yeah, they can form antennas and coupling with vias can help with that
2015-11-25T19:01:20 < jpa-> but just not having huge narrow antennas pointing everywhere can help also
2015-11-25T19:01:40 < jpa-> and my guess would be that evenly filling with vias would be more effective than putting them all on the edge
2015-11-25T19:01:57 < kakimir> I think so too
2015-11-25T19:02:08 < kakimir> but it doesn't fit my artistic view
2015-11-25T19:02:33 < GargantuaSauce> don't pretend it's engineering then :V
2015-11-25T19:02:54 < jpa-> yeah, putting a huge via cage around your power trace, but only until the first ferrite totally makes sense from artistic point of view
2015-11-25T19:03:10 < jpa-> it exemplifies the existential dilemma that faces the modern pcb designer
2015-11-25T19:03:14 < jpa-> to via or not to via
2015-11-25T19:03:19 < kakimir> I'm about to
2015-11-25T19:03:23 < kakimir> in prgresss
2015-11-25T19:03:23 < GargantuaSauce> anyway i suspect this is a circuit that'd work fine on a breadboard
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2015-11-25T19:03:51 < jpa-> hint: i don't think putting more vias is the answer
2015-11-25T19:04:31 < GargantuaSauce> also remember the through plating has a higher resistance than the copper traces
2015-11-25T19:04:49 < GargantuaSauce> so a better design in two dimensions is to be prioritized
2015-11-25T19:05:18 < jpa-> besides, on a 2-layer board, the via cage has nothing to shield as there is nothing on the inner layers
2015-11-25T19:05:28 < englishman> personally, i always design things according to the rules of feng shui
2015-11-25T19:05:32 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ZMogyc5.jpg
2015-11-25T19:05:51 < GargantuaSauce> lol that pci connector
2015-11-25T19:06:08 < kakimir> such zen in it
2015-11-25T19:06:10 < jpa-> i wonder if decoupling caps are hiding on the other side of the board or if they do not exist
2015-11-25T19:06:13 < GargantuaSauce> is this real? i've seen tilted dimm slots
2015-11-25T19:06:21 < kakimir> jpa-: there is
2015-11-25T19:06:31 < englishman> lol GargantuaSauce
2015-11-25T19:06:32 < englishman> http://www.bbspot.com/news/2004/07/feng_shui_motherboard.html
2015-11-25T19:06:43 < kakimir> more than dozen totally
2015-11-25T19:06:46 < englishman> trolling from earlier days of interwebs
2015-11-25T19:07:29 < GargantuaSauce> oh i never even looked at kakimir's link
2015-11-25T19:07:35 < GargantuaSauce> ok that stitching is actually hilarious
2015-11-25T19:08:46 < englishman> does the board really work at 0V?
2015-11-25T19:09:40 < jpa-> englishman: no, it needs JPG VDD!
2015-11-25T19:09:56 < jpa-> PNG VDD is for losers
2015-11-25T19:10:30 < GargantuaSauce> it's 2015, use svg
2015-11-25T19:10:34 < ReadError> someone pasted a mobo the other day
2015-11-25T19:10:44 < ReadError> it features UPGRADEABLE OP-AMP
2015-11-25T19:10:56 < kakimir> englishman: power side doesn't really affect internal functionings
2015-11-25T19:10:56 < jpa-> kakimir: for reference, i consider this amount of stitching sufficient for anything that you haven't actually made RF calculations for: http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/eink_pcb.png
2015-11-25T19:10:57 < upgrdman_> for audiophools?
2015-11-25T19:11:02 < ReadError> upgrdman_ lol yes
2015-11-25T19:11:09 < GargantuaSauce> so i can put a 741 in there for true vintage sound
2015-11-25T19:11:21 < GargantuaSauce> sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
2015-11-25T19:11:29 < upgrdman_> tube amps FTW
2015-11-25T19:11:47 < kakimir> nice board jpa
2015-11-25T19:12:12 < kakimir> no currents in it though
2015-11-25T19:13:57 < jpa-> your board has high currents? how much?
2015-11-25T19:14:18 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/bldc-layout.png  high current layout looks more like this
2015-11-25T19:14:30 < Taxman> jpa-: Does it work?
2015-11-25T19:14:40 < jpa-> Taxman: the eink board? sure
2015-11-25T19:15:11 < upgrdman_> or be super pro and do high currents on a one layer board ;) http://farrellf.com/temp/bldc_controller.jpg
2015-11-25T19:15:47  * mitrax sees a RN41
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2015-11-25T19:17:03 < jpa-> upgrdman_: i wonder how happy that bottom trace coming from the red connector on the left is going to be :)
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2015-11-25T19:18:01 < upgrdman_> very :)
2015-11-25T19:18:16 < jpa-> might be a reasonable fuse, though
2015-11-25T19:18:18 < GargantuaSauce> its a fuse
2015-11-25T19:18:22 < upgrdman_> pcb-as-thin-film-resistor
2015-11-25T19:18:32 < mitrax> jpa: what's that module with an antenna on the E-bike ? bluetooth module?
2015-11-25T19:18:40 < jpa-> mitrax: yea
2015-11-25T19:18:59 < kakimir> rf + high current control
2015-11-25T19:19:07 < kakimir> how does that come out?
2015-11-25T19:19:13 < jpa-> probably totally ok
2015-11-25T19:19:41 < kakimir> how you do image like that?
2015-11-25T19:19:45 < jpa-> the high current loops have been kept small so they should be attenuated quite a bit at that distance
2015-11-25T19:20:09 < jpa-> that is from gerbv, combined into single image in gimp
2015-11-25T19:20:20 < jpa-> i think gerblook.org can do something similar automatically
2015-11-25T19:20:37 < kakimir> okay there is gimo needed
2015-11-25T19:20:40 < kakimir> gimpo
2015-11-25T19:20:48 < GargantuaSauce> bluetooth has to contend with watts of microwave leakage anyway so a little motor noise shouldn't be a problem
2015-11-25T19:21:07 < jpa-> kakimir: gimp is only for putting the 5 images side by side
2015-11-25T19:21:14 < jpa-> paint would work just as fine
2015-11-25T19:24:07 < GargantuaSauce> wait so how much current are you pushing down those poor coax cables
2015-11-25T19:24:29 < kakimir> so laborous
2015-11-25T19:25:18 < celeron55> you can automate that with imagemagick if you want
2015-11-25T19:25:22 < jpa-> says the guy who puts 1000 vias for fun
2015-11-25T19:25:46 < kakimir> i'm pretty simple person
2015-11-25T19:26:10 < upgrdman_> kakimir, how's your gas chamber for midgets coming along?
2015-11-25T19:26:14 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8MDCIlOEk
2015-11-25T19:26:17 < ReadError> had a lul m8
2015-11-25T19:26:20 < jpa-> (hmm, i now noticed that i forgot to open up the ground plane on layer 3 for the mounting holes.. we'll see if seeed does surprise plated holes
2015-11-25T19:26:23 < kakimir> you mean gay oven?
2015-11-25T19:26:29 < Laurenceb> no homo
2015-11-25T19:26:35 < Laurenceb> what are you trying to do?
2015-11-25T19:26:36 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-11-25T19:27:30 < kakimir> nothing done today
2015-11-25T19:28:42 < kakimir> workshop is filled with painted wood planks
2015-11-25T19:29:02 < karlp> jpa-: did you wanted the mounting holes grounded or isolated?
2015-11-25T19:34:01 < zyp> sounds like they are just holes without traces on top and bottom
2015-11-25T19:34:20 < Rob235> I know a taranis x9d plus wont charge from usb, but will it run off usb power? I'm guessing no since the battery is about 7v but figured id ask anyway
2015-11-25T19:35:30 < englishman> no
2015-11-25T19:35:35 < Rob235> didnt think so
2015-11-25T19:35:47 < Rob235> I should just stop being lazy and go out :)
2015-11-25T19:35:54 < englishman> therse nothing stopping it tho
2015-11-25T19:35:59 < englishman> pretty much everything is 3v3 inside
2015-11-25T19:36:12 < englishman> did you figure out how to charge nimh using stuff you already have?
2015-11-25T19:37:04 < Rob235> nope, havent been in the hobby long enough to collect enough stuff thats just laying around
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2015-11-25T19:37:54 < englishman> link to your lipo charger plz
2015-11-25T19:38:02 < Rob235> one sec
2015-11-25T19:38:17 < englishman> do you have bench power supply
2015-11-25T19:38:19 < englishman> car battery
2015-11-25T19:38:30 < jpa-> karlp: isolated
2015-11-25T19:38:32 < englishman> acdc with barrel plug for charging your vibrator
2015-11-25T19:38:48 < englishman> 3s lipo and bits of wire
2015-11-25T19:39:48 < jpa-> power supply for wlan router
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2015-11-25T19:42:01 < Rob235> only have 4s lipo, I have a cheap acdc but no connectors for it, I guess I could find a way to connect it but id rather use a barrel plug, no bench ps, router is 18v, https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=75598
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2015-11-25T19:42:31 < Rob235> the power suppply for that charger is 15v
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2015-11-25T20:26:44 < englishman> lecroy scopes ship with mcafee installed
2015-11-25T20:28:32 < Roklobsta> i am removing mcafee from clients PC as recent updates cause it to stop working properly.  Garbage.
2015-11-25T20:29:32 < englishman> remember that mcafee update that bricked windows lol
2015-11-25T20:30:20 < Roklobsta> MSE/Defender is fine.
2015-11-25T20:30:32 < ReadError> i go raw
2015-11-25T20:31:53 < Roklobsta> ReadError: Does your PC resemble a blue waffle?
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2015-11-25T20:32:04 < upgrdman_> ew
2015-11-25T20:32:10 < ReadError> i charlee sheen the internet
2015-11-25T20:33:08 < Roklobsta> I hope you have told everyone that ever shared the same network as your PC.
2015-11-25T20:33:14 < Roklobsta> Unlike Charlie.
2015-11-25T20:33:17 < Rob235> alright so moving on from receiver for now. to work on mpu or pid controller...
2015-11-25T20:37:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b5IMor7Hb4 horacio pagani
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2015-11-26T00:15:50 < johntramp> hey,  what kind of issue could cause an mcu to lock up to the point where it is no longer servicing interrupts and has not triggered a hardfault or similar?  just seems like the system freezes
2015-11-26T00:16:04 < johntramp> I am finding it hard to reproduce too, just some mornings I come in and it has died
2015-11-26T00:18:24 < GargantuaSauce> busyloop in a high priority isr?
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2015-11-26T00:35:32 < Laurenceb> or isr not cleared
2015-11-26T00:35:55 < Laurenceb> I ran into a similar issue with a single board that would jam up like that
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2015-11-26T00:36:51 < Laurenceb> only at a specific customers site
2015-11-26T00:37:07 < Laurenceb> turns out it was EMI causing a uart error I wasnt handling
2015-11-26T00:37:15 < Laurenceb> that confused me for a while lol
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2015-11-26T00:45:31 < kakimir> time for niteride>
2015-11-26T00:45:59 < zyp> isr not cleared is pretty much equal to busylooping
2015-11-26T00:46:20 < zyp> so that sounds likely
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2015-11-26T01:07:40 < GargantuaSauce> https://i.imgur.com/Qllk7k1.png
2015-11-26T01:09:22 < GargantuaSauce> https://i.imgur.com/KDj7zER.png
2015-11-26T01:11:30 < mitrax> http://uk.businessinsider.com/turkish-and-greek-jets-engaged-in-dogfight-2015-7?r=US&IR=T
2015-11-26T01:11:35 < mitrax> http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-greece-cyprus-aegean-air-space-nato.html#
2015-11-26T01:11:52 < mitrax> "According to the agency, in just the first month of 2014, Turkish jets violated Greek airspace 1,017 times. That is twice the total number of violations in the first six months of 2013."
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2015-11-26T01:29:09 < GargantuaSauce> pff
2015-11-26T01:29:33 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4574214,00.html 800 meters is enough
2015-11-26T01:29:52 < englishman> 1 meter is enough
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2015-11-26T01:40:18 < mitrax> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11093478/Turkish-government-co-operated-with-al-Qaeda-in-Syria-says-former-US-ambassador.html
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2015-11-26T01:42:07 < mitrax> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10765696/Turkey-aided-Islamist-fighters-in-attack-on-Syrian-town.html
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2015-11-26T01:50:54 < mitrax> http://uk.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7?r=US&IR=T
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2015-11-26T01:56:49 < mitrax> and if those mainstream sources are too "conservative" here's a detailed article from the guardian about turkey's oil trade with ISIS http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/isis-syria-turkey-us?CMP=share_btn_tw
2015-11-26T02:01:50 < englishman> cant we all just sing songs and get along
2015-11-26T02:06:42 < mitrax> oh i'm with you on that one, turkey is definitely a country to support... and shooting that airplane (and possibly triggering world war III) was a perfectly fine thing to do!
2015-11-26T02:06:48  * mitrax bleats and joins the herd
2015-11-26T02:07:14 < mitrax> bed time
2015-11-26T02:14:14 < kakimir> NO
2015-11-26T02:16:51 < kakimir> do you remember when russians flied over GB few years back
2015-11-26T02:17:21 < kakimir> no fighters where aired because too expensives
2015-11-26T02:17:30 < kakimir> let them go away themselfs
2015-11-26T02:20:03 < kakimir> thats how much poor island kingdom is
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2015-11-26T02:21:16 < kakimir> if WW comes it's because so many people had kept world war spirit alive thru years
2015-11-26T02:21:25 < artag> if only it were true. instead, all our prime ministers have to have their own war to validate themselves
2015-11-26T02:22:22 < artag> thatcher in the falklands, blair in whereever it was he had his one
2015-11-26T02:22:56 < artag> cameron will have a go in syria if he can work out what side he's on
2015-11-26T02:23:01 < kakimir> whole fucking cultures that celebrate war and world was
2015-11-26T02:23:10 < kakimir> wars
2015-11-26T02:23:33 < kakimir> still live on embedded in them
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2015-11-26T02:24:55 < artag> wasn't there a monty python sketch about some idiot brit fighting a war in a japanese jungle 30 years after everyone else had gone home ?
2015-11-26T02:24:56 < kakimir> WWI and WWII age schemes are back on table
2015-11-26T02:25:09 < kakimir> who was whos friend
2015-11-26T02:25:13 < kakimir> who is enemy
2015-11-26T02:25:50 < artag> read 1984 and catch-22, get a proper cynical attitude
2015-11-26T02:25:59 < artag> it's all just politics
2015-11-26T02:26:15 < artag> willy-waving
2015-11-26T02:26:19 < kakimir> some jap soldiers served 30years after yankees bombed shit out of kingdom of rising sun
2015-11-26T02:26:40 < kakimir> in some outposts in desolate islands
2015-11-26T02:27:00 < Sync> https://www.framos.com/fileadmin/media/pdf/news/2015/SONY-CCD_Final-Discontinuation-Plan.pdf wt
2015-11-26T02:27:03 < Sync> f
2015-11-26T02:27:10 < Sync> sony shutting down imaging sensor production
2015-11-26T02:27:15 < Sync> or wat
2015-11-26T02:27:31 < kakimir> is it cmos now on?
2015-11-26T02:29:28 < kakimir> artag: have read both of those
2015-11-26T02:30:35 < kakimir> took some time to recover
2015-11-26T02:31:17 < Sync> ah only ccd shits
2015-11-26T02:32:14 < kakimir> even url says it
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2015-11-26T02:33:07 < kakimir> music time
2015-11-26T02:34:12 < Sync> well, it is not that clear from the statement
2015-11-26T02:34:20 < Sync> it sounded like they stop all sensor stuff
2015-11-26T02:37:46 < kakimir> you have to know that ccd is obsolete technique
2015-11-26T02:38:03 < kakimir> to interpret the news
2015-11-26T02:47:42 < kakimir> musictime 1.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3k_QDnzHE
2015-11-26T02:49:15 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/IdolizedWearyAlaskajingle
2015-11-26T02:49:17 < dongs> l o l
2015-11-26T02:49:56 < upgrdman> neat  http://i.imgur.com/yc4460j.jpg
2015-11-26T02:50:10 < kakimir> dongs: music. post it
2015-11-26T02:50:18 < dongs> upgrdman: a working zano?
2015-11-26T02:51:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNniDFs9l4 dongs morning pee
2015-11-26T02:51:24 < dongs> nothanks
2015-11-26T02:51:42 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2015-11-26T02:52:02 < Laurenceb> freecad has lost all record of some of my projects
2015-11-26T02:52:18 < kakimir> upgrdman: there seems to be some funky controls to it
2015-11-26T02:52:21 < kakimir> to rotor
2015-11-26T02:52:39 < Laurenceb> hah a pro "zano"
2015-11-26T02:52:43 < dongs> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12014806/Female-CEO-caught-hiding-in-wardrobe-after-drink-driving-and-crashing-car-full-of-children-into-tree.html
2015-11-26T02:52:48 < dongs> Laurenceb: is that your mom
2015-11-26T02:53:04 < Laurenceb> yeah looks like a proper heli
2015-11-26T02:54:03 < Laurenceb> nice tail rotor design too
2015-11-26T02:54:05 < upgrdman> dongs, guess so. only $40,000
2015-11-26T02:54:08 < upgrdman> dongs, from here:
2015-11-26T02:54:09 < Laurenceb> wonder what the frequency is
2015-11-26T02:54:17 < Laurenceb> almost looks like 868mhz
2015-11-26T02:54:19 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3u8elk/a_40000_drone/
2015-11-26T02:54:28 < dongs> Laurenceb: looks like ~3in antenna
2015-11-26T02:54:38 < kakimir> that reminds me of something I saw in internets in 2006 or so
2015-11-26T02:54:40 < upgrdman> video here http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-tiny-drone-the-us-military-is-testing-2015-6
2015-11-26T02:54:44 < dongs> 7.6cm, whats the wavelength for that
2015-11-26T02:55:34 < kakimir> dude made chopper totally out of carbon rods and and carbon fiber
2015-11-26T02:55:46 < kakimir> it's weight was like 3grams
2015-11-26T02:56:11 < kakimir> he blurred rotor head area to hide control mechanism
2015-11-26T02:56:33 < kakimir> had tiny cell glued to it
2015-11-26T02:56:47 < kakimir> no wait.. magnet connection maybe
2015-11-26T02:57:07 < kakimir> it was pre mini choppers age
2015-11-26T02:57:13 < kakimir> still better
2015-11-26T02:57:17 < Laurenceb> dongs:915mhz
2015-11-26T02:57:21 < Laurenceb> US version of 868
2015-11-26T02:57:30 < Laurenceb> surely they cant be running video on there
2015-11-26T02:57:40 < Laurenceb> maybe its a mil frequency close by
2015-11-26T02:57:42 < dongs> video in article looks analog
2015-11-26T02:57:48 < Laurenceb> wacky
2015-11-26T02:58:13 < Laurenceb> maybe they are just braking all the rules cuz military
2015-11-26T02:59:01 < kakimir> how are jewtubes search parameters totally crap
2015-11-26T02:59:02 < englishman> theres milshit around 1ghz
2015-11-26T02:59:14 < kakimir> one direction sorts and stuff
2015-11-26T02:59:27 < kakimir> latests first
2015-11-26T02:59:30 < kakimir> ie.
2015-11-26T03:00:50 < kakimir> I want 9year old videos
2015-11-26T03:00:58 < kakimir> 1month old videos are just crap
2015-11-26T03:01:38 < kakimir> and plenty
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2015-11-26T03:02:07 < Laurenceb> take a seat over there
2015-11-26T03:03:10 < kakimir> :D
2015-11-26T03:03:29 < kakimir> why don't you take a seat over there
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2015-11-26T03:14:58 < upgrdman> wtf. my fucking tv takes 30 minutes to update it's android. lol.
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2015-11-26T03:16:34 < GargantuaSauce> smart tv
2015-11-26T03:16:42 < upgrdman> ya
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2015-11-26T03:20:35 < Laurenceb> any freecad users here?
2015-11-26T03:25:53 < Laurenceb> nomnative determinism
2015-11-26T03:25:55 < Laurenceb> http://www.mdx.ac.uk/about-us/our-people/staff-directory/cockburn-emma
2015-11-26T03:26:40 < kakimir> there is sex in the name of university
2015-11-26T03:27:12 < kakimir> english names are so weird
2015-11-26T03:27:38 < GargantuaSauce> says the finn
2015-11-26T03:32:31 < GargantuaSauce> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seax
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2015-11-26T03:34:54 < kakimir> so "Essex" comes from that thing
2015-11-26T03:35:31 < GargantuaSauce> yeah, east seaxe
2015-11-26T03:35:44 < upgrdman> sweet. after the update, latency on hdmi seems to be noticeably better.
2015-11-26T03:42:56 < emeb_mac> why is it that "smart" tvs seem to use processors that are seriously underpowered compared to a cheapo cellphone?
2015-11-26T03:43:16 < kakimir> is Gargantua some saxon name GargantuaSauce ?
2015-11-26T03:43:22 < upgrdman> not sure
2015-11-26T03:43:50 < upgrdman> kakimir, it just means big. word is garganteous or something like that.
2015-11-26T03:44:02 < GargantuaSauce> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gargantuan
2015-11-26T03:45:37 < Laurenceb> lol thats the most obscure origin ever
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2015-11-26T03:49:43 < emeb_mac> opposite of weaksauce?
2015-11-26T03:49:55 < emeb_mac> or better than opensauce?
2015-11-26T03:50:22 < Laurenceb> freecad is failsauce
2015-11-26T03:50:25 < GargantuaSauce> i just chose that as the account to run on my bigass linux laptop
2015-11-26T03:50:32 < Laurenceb> GUI just broke and I lost 4 hours of work
2015-11-26T03:50:38 < Laurenceb> well its still all there
2015-11-26T03:50:46 < Laurenceb> something is corrupted in some xml horror
2015-11-26T03:55:00 < kakimir> do you enjoy classical music and jazz?
2015-11-26T03:55:26 < upgrdman> not jazz
2015-11-26T03:55:46 < kakimir> me nether
2015-11-26T03:55:49 < GargantuaSauce> yeah not a fan of jazz, there's definitely some classical i am a fan of though
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2015-11-26T03:58:04 < GargantuaSauce> late baroque and some more modern guys....rachmaninoff, satie, debussy
2015-11-26T03:58:29 < upgrdman> i like dapussy to
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2015-11-26T04:02:23 < emeb_mac> John Cage. 4:33
2015-11-26T04:03:32 < GargantuaSauce> lol
2015-11-26T04:04:09 < emeb_mac> the ultimate musical troll
2015-11-26T04:04:35 < GargantuaSauce> next time someone makes fun of me for liking sunn o))) i'll show them that
2015-11-26T04:05:03 < kakimir> musical troll or musical autism taken to next level
2015-11-26T04:05:37 < kakimir> propably both
2015-11-26T04:06:01 < emeb_mac> If you want musical autism go for Glenn Gould. Dude is definitely "on the spectrum"
2015-11-26T04:07:03 < GargantuaSauce> playing the goldsperg variations?
2015-11-26T04:07:34 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-11-26T04:09:36 < GargantuaSauce> and now for something completely different https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eUVubC7ojM
2015-11-26T04:11:38 < englishman> whats up fellow canuck
2015-11-26T04:11:57 < kakimir> what is canuck?
2015-11-26T04:12:05 < englishman> a type of cheese
2015-11-26T04:12:16 < englishman> very dangerous
2015-11-26T04:12:28 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-11-26T04:12:44 < kakimir> when I was a kid I ate all the poisonous berries
2015-11-26T04:13:06 < upgrdman> dingle berries
2015-11-26T04:13:07 < emeb_mac> that which does not kill you...
2015-11-26T04:13:15 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0kVbXvId3A
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2015-11-26T04:15:46 < kakimir> not like that
2015-11-26T04:16:28 < kakimir> I was born rebel
2015-11-26T04:17:47 < kakimir> englishman: is there canucks on the channel?
2015-11-26T04:17:57 < englishman> yes
2015-11-26T04:21:18 < kakimir> I think canucks are nice
2015-11-26T04:23:12 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcWhscnRZXzJnZlU/view?usp=sharing I think I'm half way done
2015-11-26T04:23:25 < GargantuaSauce> still needs more vias
2015-11-26T04:23:42 < kakimir> still need
2015-11-26T04:23:57 < kakimir> actual vias needed are placed next
2015-11-26T04:24:31 < upgrdman> kak: what kinda of freqencies are you so desparate to stitch?
2015-11-26T04:25:01 < upgrdman> 50MHz over dupont wire FTW!
2015-11-26T04:25:08 < kakimir> I think this may work on microwave area
2015-11-26T04:25:20 < upgrdman> so like 2-3GHz?
2015-11-26T04:25:24 < kakimir> because nice waveguides made of vias
2015-11-26T04:25:28 < kakimir> precision made
2015-11-26T04:25:35 < GargantuaSauce> uh
2015-11-26T04:25:44 < GargantuaSauce> yeah that's not how controlled impedance traces are made
2015-11-26T04:26:47 < kakimir> controlled impenndace is a lost hope
2015-11-26T04:30:25 < kakimir> doomed by the board thickness right at start
2015-11-26T04:32:51 < dongs> pretty pro kikecading there
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2015-11-26T04:37:46 < kakimir> thanks
2015-11-26T04:38:15 < kakimir> it's called "advanced editing"
2015-11-26T04:41:44 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_U-05Sth0
2015-11-26T04:41:50 < kakimir> bonanza!
2015-11-26T04:46:18 < dongs> INSTALL LUNIX NOWWWWWWWW
2015-11-26T04:47:43 < kakimir> why now
2015-11-26T04:52:07 < GargantuaSauce> it's never too late to embrace your Freedom
2015-11-26T04:53:12 < kakimir> win10 tastes so sweet
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2015-11-26T05:19:24 < dongs> im assburgering + dickplacing + ffff
2015-11-26T05:20:05 < dongs> yas
2015-11-26T05:25:49 < scrts> sup lads?
2015-11-26T05:26:32 < scrts> seems like there are two unlimited things in the US: electricity and sugar
2015-11-26T05:33:13 < upgrdman> and cute girls
2015-11-26T05:34:59 < upgrdman> ok, in so cal: cute girls
2015-11-26T05:35:04 < upgrdman> so many
2015-11-26T05:35:14 < upgrdman> yes
2015-11-26T05:35:24 < upgrdman> a veritable cornicopia
2015-11-26T05:43:17 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/sLu4lO0
2015-11-26T05:45:13 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/3qX3JcI.gifv
2015-11-26T05:46:48 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/ZCW3oHP.gifv     vinegar n baking soda
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2015-11-26T06:01:13 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/r/WTF/CY5Uf05
2015-11-26T06:04:27 < upgrdman> nice
2015-11-26T06:04:41 < upgrdman> that girl reminded me, im almost out of shampoo
2015-11-26T06:06:39 < upgrdman> looked like a bottle in her ass
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2015-11-26T06:11:36 < aandrew> upgrdman: haha
2015-11-26T06:13:47 < upgrdman> R2COM, do what?
2015-11-26T06:13:56 < upgrdman> aandrew, :)
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2015-11-26T06:20:28 < akaWolf> dongs: how is your linux experience?
2015-11-26T06:21:26 < dongs> akaWolf: pro as fuck
2015-11-26T06:21:32 < dongs> running lunix on desktop since '86
2015-11-26T06:21:38 < dongs> emacs fullscreen in 80x25 console
2015-11-26T06:21:48 < dongs> shit scrolling by at lighting speed
2015-11-26T06:21:49 < dongs> yes
2015-11-26T06:22:10 < dongs> crisper fonts
2015-11-26T06:22:36 < akaWolf> :D
2015-11-26T06:23:11 < akaWolf> Terminator fonts?
2015-11-26T06:23:18 < dongs> OCR-A
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2015-11-26T06:24:17 < dongs> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Desktop-Linux-Mint.png A screenshot of free and open-source software: Linux Mint running the Xfce desktop environment, Firefox, a calculator program, the built-in calendar, Vim, GIMP, and VLC media player
2015-11-26T06:37:14 < bloated> transparent terminals! is it 1990 already ?
2015-11-26T06:37:34 < akaWolf> nope
2015-11-26T06:38:18 < bloated> is there any actual use for transparent terminals ?
2015-11-26T06:38:34 < bloated> I tried it and didn't like it.
2015-11-26T06:39:01 < dongs> when you are 13
2015-11-26T06:39:09 < dongs> and have some naked girl as background
2015-11-26T06:39:11 < dongs> and you want to see it
2015-11-26T06:39:13 < dongs> while shit scrolls by
2015-11-26T06:39:17 < dongs> as kernel complies
2015-11-26T06:39:19 < dongs> thats the use.
2015-11-26T06:40:03 < aandrew> it's important to have shit scrolling by
2015-11-26T06:40:10 < aandrew> how else can you become a linux expert
2015-11-26T06:40:53 < GargantuaSauce> i use a transparent terminal to view websites underneath
2015-11-26T06:41:05 < dongs> that sounds extremely productive
2015-11-26T06:41:25 < ReadError> get on that RMS level
2015-11-26T06:41:46 < GargantuaSauce> like documentation etc
2015-11-26T06:42:58 < GargantuaSauce> i dont think RMS even runs x
2015-11-26T06:47:19 < dongs> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/218570-windows-10s-broken-fall-update-removes-user-installed-applications-without-asking-first
2015-11-26T06:47:22 < dongs> wut
2015-11-26T06:47:26 < dongs> thats gotta be bullshit
2015-11-26T06:47:35 < dongs> some crap made up by forum retards
2015-11-26T06:47:44 < dongs> who unistalled shit yesterday in a drunken rage and then blamed windows on it
2015-11-26T06:54:12 < GargantuaSauce> no just another windows-cuck
2015-11-26T06:54:28 < GargantuaSauce> correct
2015-11-26T07:00:16 < upgrdman> windows and lunix can be butt buddies
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2015-11-26T07:18:20 < Roklobsta> no meds and been drinking again, clearly
2015-11-26T07:20:32 < Roklobsta> christ i drink every day
2015-11-26T07:21:09 < ReadError> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Lenovo-Ideacentre-Stick-300-Signature-Edition-PC/productID.328682200
2015-11-26T07:21:10 < ReadError> wtf
2015-11-26T07:21:11 < Roklobsta> yep
2015-11-26T07:21:14 < ReadError> this is a thing?
2015-11-26T07:21:32 < Roklobsta> I wanna know whose signature it is.
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2015-11-26T07:34:53 < dongs> CAN YOU RUN MINDCRAFT ON THIS
2015-11-26T07:38:13 < upgrdman> repair of a carbon fiber glider fuselage. i found this very enjoyable to watch. relaxing.  https://vimeo.com/60497114
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2015-11-26T07:48:58 < dongs> 20 minutes, nope
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2015-11-26T07:51:12 < jadew> upgrdman, looks like it might have been simpler to build another one
2015-11-26T07:51:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/whvsQe7.gifv this looks soo fake
2015-11-26T07:52:03 < dongs> the last bit especially it looks liek a fucking piece of cardboard tipping over
2015-11-26T07:52:18 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-26T07:57:34 < dongs> wut
2015-11-26T07:57:48 < dongs> o
2015-11-26T07:57:50 < dongs> fuckit
2015-11-26T07:57:52 < dongs> not lcicking
2015-11-26T08:20:19 < dongs> justcuase3 preload 40gb
2015-11-26T08:20:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/w9wm8xe.jpg
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2015-11-26T08:46:49 < jadew> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2015/Nov/25/LiveLeak-dot-com-b27_1448483370-what_did_you_see_540_1448483396.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd39e4846dbdf910f&ec_rate=230
2015-11-26T08:55:50 < jadew> I thought someone managed to rip his dick and balls off
2015-11-26T08:56:21 < jadew> no way... they expired it
2015-11-26T08:56:27 < jadew> lamers
2015-11-26T08:57:09 < jadew> http://img3.owned.com/media/images/1/4/6/6/14664/what_did_you_see_540.jpg
2015-11-26T08:57:11 < jadew> found it
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2015-11-26T09:21:12 < dongs> dongul8
2015-11-26T09:21:29 < dongs> Anti-hotlink protection: The hash code for the file you tried to view has expired.
2015-11-26T09:21:32 < dongs> To find the original location, click here to go to the liveleak frontpage
2015-11-26T09:21:35 < dongs> haha
2015-11-26T09:21:37 < dongs> trash
2015-11-26T09:23:38 < bloated> liveleak direct links expire in 5 minutes.
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2015-11-26T09:24:51 < bloated> that penis looks just like a pigs head with a vagina on its nose.
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2015-11-26T10:20:59 < Ecco> Have you guys seen this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/
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2015-11-26T10:26:01 < dongs> Today, I.m pleased to be able to announce the immediate availability of Raspberry Pi Zero, made in Wales and priced at just $5. Zero is a full-fledged member of the Raspberry Pi family, featuring:
2015-11-26T10:26:05 < dongs> made in wales
2015-11-26T10:26:06 < dongs> where zano failed
2015-11-26T10:26:08 < dongs> isnt that same place
2015-11-26T10:26:27 < Ecco> I have a question
2015-11-26T10:26:35 < Ecco> Is it possible to buy the same BoM
2015-11-26T10:27:11 < dongs> no cuz broadcum doens't talk to you unless y ou buy 100k units of somethign
2015-11-26T10:27:27 < Ecco> Does it really have to be that high?
2015-11-26T10:27:33 < dongs> yes
2015-11-26T10:27:34 < Ecco> Could 10k units do the deal?
2015-11-26T10:27:36 < dongs> no
2015-11-26T10:27:44 < dongs> 10k is hobby lvel
2015-11-26T10:28:08 < Ecco> hmm ok
2015-11-26T10:29:16 < Ecco> Why aren't there middlemen then?
2015-11-26T10:29:26 < dongs> for what?
2015-11-26T10:29:26 < Ecco> Mouser could buy 100k and sell them by smaller batches
2015-11-26T10:29:35 < dongs> nobody would wbuy them
2015-11-26T10:29:38 < dongs> cuz theres no docs/specs
2015-11-26T10:29:39 < Ecco> Why not?
2015-11-26T10:29:55 < dongs> broadcom wont provide those unless you are buying 100k units
2015-11-26T10:29:58 < Ecco> oh
2015-11-26T10:30:11 < dongs> and you won't buy 100k units until you know the shit you wanna buy actually works for your application
2015-11-26T10:30:19 < Ecco> exactly
2015-11-26T10:30:27 < Ecco> well, I could still prototype w/ a Rpi
2015-11-26T10:30:58 < dongs> at $5 you might as well just go to production with it
2015-11-26T10:31:02 < Ecco> :-D
2015-11-26T10:31:07 < dongs> the shit is locked down enough tht the available gpio is probably all you can use anyway.
2015-11-26T10:31:30 < Ecco> Actually my question is a bit more general
2015-11-26T10:31:43 < Ecco> Given the price of hardware these days
2015-11-26T10:31:53 < Ecco> I don't really see the point of struggling with very limited memory
2015-11-26T10:32:01 < Ecco> Sure it depends on what you're building
2015-11-26T10:32:09 < Ecco> but in my case I definitely could use a beefier machine
2015-11-26T10:32:15 < Ecco> And running lunix wouldn't be a bad idea
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2015-11-26T10:32:46 < Ecco> *but* strangely enough I can't find a way to buy cheap ARM-A cores + some LPDDR
2015-11-26T10:33:31 < dongs> that china ipcam chip i found is $4 in samples
2015-11-26T10:33:41 < dongs> and has in-package ddr
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2015-11-26T10:33:45 < Ecco> mind sharing a link?
2015-11-26T10:33:48 < Ecco> nice
2015-11-26T10:33:53 < dongs> HI3518E
2015-11-26T10:34:23 < Ecco> WHat makes it "ip-camera" specific?
2015-11-26T10:34:31 < Ecco> oh, it's got a hardware H264 encoder?
2015-11-26T10:34:37 < dongs> has video inputoutput ports and h264/mjpeg encoder yea
2015-11-26T10:34:41 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-26T10:34:48 < Ecco> This I definitely wouldn't use
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2015-11-26T10:34:58 < dongs> but it has USB host, ethernet mac, SDIO, etc.
2015-11-26T10:35:01 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-26T10:35:03 < dongs> RTC/GPIO/IR /blah
2015-11-26T10:35:06 < Ecco> allright
2015-11-26T10:35:10 < dongs> with some shitty chinalunix
2015-11-26T10:35:12 < Ecco> USB client ?
2015-11-26T10:35:25 < dongs> i dunno. usb on those is usually used for wifi dongle
2015-11-26T10:35:34 < dongs> duno if it has OTG or whatever
2015-11-26T10:35:36 < Ecco> ok
2015-11-26T10:35:43 < Ecco> Well yeah this could do the deal
2015-11-26T10:35:58 < Ecco> I really wonder why there aren't more of those things easily available
2015-11-26T10:36:07 < Ecco> Sure SRAM is nice, and STM32s in general are awesome
2015-11-26T10:36:15 < dongs> anyawy the cameras with that thing on it are like $10-30 and you can hax0r the lunix on it and repurpose for development purposes.
2015-11-26T10:36:25 < Ecco> Yeah I guess
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2015-11-26T10:38:19 < dongs> https://onion.io/omega/ thre's also this dickstarted shit
2015-11-26T10:38:25 < dongs> some wifi AP chipset i think
2015-11-26T10:38:28 < dongs> also lunix + filth
2015-11-26T10:38:31 < dongs> theres so much shit
2015-11-26T10:38:39 < dongs> where entire soc + ddr is < $10 even in samples
2015-11-26T10:38:53 < dongs> fucking zano retards blew $9/pc on PIC32
2015-11-26T10:38:54 < dongs> in 2015
2015-11-26T10:38:57 < dongs> and bought 20k of t hem
2015-11-26T10:39:00 < dongs> fucking morons
2015-11-26T10:40:46 < Taxman> dongs: manic morning, isnt it? ;)
2015-11-26T10:40:52 < dongs> yea
2015-11-26T10:41:00 < dongs> gonna get stoned and chill
2015-11-26T10:41:10 < dongs> bbl
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2015-11-26T14:56:52 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/0/0d/Jewsdidwtc.jpg
2015-11-26T15:15:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb did 911
2015-11-26T15:16:41 < Laurenceb> I only did building 7
2015-11-26T15:17:37 < jpa-> jet fuel can't melt space bars
2015-11-26T15:20:05 < kakimir> dongs linked that nice 911 video.. 2 massive buldings bathing in sun, paper sheets falling down like snow flakes
2015-11-26T15:23:36 < kakimir> there static background of firetruck sirens
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2015-11-26T15:39:31 < englishman> dongs: did you get amazing day 0 dlc expansion packs for $25
2015-11-26T15:39:50 < dongs> wut
2015-11-26T15:39:54 < englishman> jc3
2015-11-26T15:39:58 < dongs> no
2015-11-26T15:40:02 < dongs> i didnt downlaod it yet
2015-11-26T15:40:06 < dongs> ill wait till its officilaly out
2015-11-26T15:50:07 < kakimir> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/pi-zero-a-full-raspberry-pi-for-just-4/
2015-11-26T15:50:46 < kakimir> slice of bread proce linux computer
2015-11-26T15:50:57 < emeryth> world's first $5 computer that actually costs $15
2015-11-26T15:52:45 < kakimir> propably
2015-11-26T15:53:16 < kakimir> what is their business model here
2015-11-26T15:55:15 < Ecco> Well I don't think they're making money from elsewhere
2015-11-26T15:55:25 < Ecco> Someone in the RPi team works at Broadcom though
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2015-11-26T16:00:41 < englishman> dongs how do i pm u
2015-11-26T16:02:01 < ReadError> yea teach ohsix how to also while ur at it
2015-11-26T16:02:02 < pid> /msg #stm32 dongs: <put your message here>
2015-11-26T16:02:23 < englishman> hes +g tho
2015-11-26T16:02:28 < englishman> no like me no more
2015-11-26T16:02:28 < pid> tfu. ##stm32.
2015-11-26T16:02:36 < pid> meh. :P
2015-11-26T16:03:01 < ReadError> identify?
2015-11-26T16:03:42 < dongs> englishman: retry.
2015-11-26T16:03:44 < dongs> tho im about to zzz
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2015-11-26T17:21:21 < Rob235> gobble gobble
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2015-11-26T17:32:39 < _Getty> wait wait wait now i am confused, america stands behind russia but the rest of NATO doesnt?
2015-11-26T17:45:16 < kakimir> because fuck europe
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2015-11-26T17:47:35 < _Getty> lol
2015-11-26T17:47:55 < _Getty> yeah, if i see it that way, right, its the most disturbing thing to do now from american point of view
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2015-11-26T17:48:37 < kakimir> https://narf-archive.com/pix/14c1f9dcf395c35b3d5b99b808fb7d6a8c2a2b71.jpeg
2015-11-26T17:52:10 < _Getty> the 5$ PiZero is really a gamechanger...... (yeah sorry for drifting ontopic hehe)
2015-11-26T17:52:49 < englishman> what game does it change?
2015-11-26T17:53:04 < emeryth> most shit/$
2015-11-26T17:53:12 < englishman> aidsfruit 'starter kit' is still $60
2015-11-26T17:54:16 < kakimir> can you pile zeros and make a cluster?
2015-11-26T17:54:39 < kakimir> connect multiple displays
2015-11-26T17:55:30 < kakimir> what a stupid idea
2015-11-26T18:03:32 < _Getty> englishman: it is exactly the price difference to rethink our productline here now ;)
2015-11-26T18:03:42 < _Getty> making a product with pi was just intense too expansive before
2015-11-26T18:03:49 < _Getty> now its much more reliable, like seriously
2015-11-26T18:03:54 < bloated> what's so good about the broadcom ?
2015-11-26T18:03:56 < emeryth> > making a product with pi
2015-11-26T18:04:21 < pid> = beeing funded instantly :>
2015-11-26T18:07:32 < englishman> even at $5 lunix sucks
2015-11-26T18:09:40 < Sync_> install windows
2015-11-26T18:10:43 < pid> englishman: so it would be perfect for the internet of vacuum cleaners, don't you think? (:
2015-11-26T18:12:10 < karlp> would have been nicer if they'd just start including wifi
2015-11-26T18:12:37 < pid> how about free esp8266 to every rpi?
2015-11-26T18:12:43 < karlp> fuckoff
2015-11-26T18:12:54 < karlp> some onboard flash and wifi woudl have been better than just chopping off ports
2015-11-26T18:13:05 < karlp> you still need uSD, and a power supply to even _start_ unfortunately.
2015-11-26T18:13:11 < emeb> boo - they dropped the I2S port.
2015-11-26T18:13:17 < emeb> *plonk*
2015-11-26T18:13:33 < karlp> emeb: don't worry! they kept a composite video header!
2015-11-26T18:13:48 < emeb> karlp: lol - so useful!
2015-11-26T18:13:54 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10582401
2015-11-26T18:14:16 < Laurenceb> new raspberry?
2015-11-26T18:14:24 < emeb> yep
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2015-11-26T18:14:28 < emeb> $5 cheep
2015-11-26T18:14:42 < Laurenceb> why dont they make one with lipo charger/power , working RTC, and good PMIC
2015-11-26T18:14:48 < Laurenceb> then it would be useful
2015-11-26T18:14:49 < karlp> that costs actual $
2015-11-26T18:14:56 < Laurenceb> oh a low current sleep mode too
2015-11-26T18:15:06 < karlp> that requires not oldshit arm9/arm11
2015-11-26T18:15:08 < Laurenceb> and wake on lan...
2015-11-26T18:15:11 < karlp> that requires lan
2015-11-26T18:15:19 < Laurenceb> hehe
2015-11-26T18:15:28 < emeb> and lower the price to $1 while they're at it.
2015-11-26T18:15:58 < Laurenceb> tere are lots of things they could do to make it useful that dont involve more powerful processor
2015-11-26T18:16:16 < Laurenceb> but all they will probably do it rehash the same shit with never processor in a year or so
2015-11-26T18:17:05 < Laurenceb> its fairly useless for loads of serious stuff without a ton of supporting hardware
2015-11-26T18:17:39 < emeb> look at it as a cheap SOM
2015-11-26T18:17:55 < emeb> just sad that more of the available I/O isn't pinned out.
2015-11-26T18:17:58 < karlp> and it's certainly nice and cheap for that,
2015-11-26T18:18:04 < karlp> but yeah, pi2 compat headers only.
2015-11-26T18:23:27 < Bright> i like STM32CubeMX!
2015-11-26T18:23:33 < Bright> so helpfu
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2015-11-26T19:14:05 < Ecco> WTF
2015-11-26T19:14:17 < Ecco> I asked someone at Broadcom for the same chip they use in the RPi
2015-11-26T19:14:18 < Ecco> his reply
2015-11-26T19:14:28 < Ecco> "Sorry but we don't sell those chips to anyone other than Raspberry Pi.Wish we did bc I could sell a lot of them.   I've been asked this question 100 times.  "
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2015-11-26T19:19:58 < Sync> typical
2015-11-26T19:20:44 < __rob2> bet you couldn't get them in small quantity cheaper then a whole RPi anyway
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2015-11-26T19:54:16 < kakimir> rpi soc is literally the worst there is
2015-11-26T19:54:34 < Ecco> yeah
2015-11-26T19:54:37 < Ecco> but… why?
2015-11-26T19:54:42 < Ecco> Why won't they sell 'em?
2015-11-26T19:55:33 < BrainDamage> probably because the gayberry pi relies on a locked bootloader to sell video decoding support
2015-11-26T19:56:19 < BrainDamage> if they started selling them elsewhere, the datashit might leak, and people would write an alternative one
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2015-11-26T20:01:42 < mitrax> Ecco: it's been like that from the start, broadcam wants their chip to remain closed source (probably for the reason BrainDamage just mentionned), the raspi foundation got access to those info under NDA in exchange of huge volume orders...
2015-11-26T20:04:06 < Ecco> "sell video decoding support" <- how?
2015-11-26T20:04:20 < Ecco> I don't understand
2015-11-26T20:06:52 < celeron55_> that SoC has a video decoder peripheral that broadcom sells proprietary drivers for
2015-11-26T20:06:57 < RaYmAn> it's MPEG-2 and VC-1 they sell though..I'm still not sure why you'd need those. Practically everything is some form for MPEG-4 these days
2015-11-26T20:09:21 < upgrdman> indeed
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2015-11-26T20:25:03 < kakimir> have hardware bugs been fixed?
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2015-11-26T20:31:30 < mitrax> does anyone know how to prevent gcc from linking a bunch of debug helpers (cp-demangle) when you use c++ templates? i'm using version 4.8 and sometimes it suddenly a bunch of shit that depends on newlib, so the binary ends up with sprintf and the like linked in although i'm not specifying -g nor -ggdb
2015-11-26T20:33:04 < PaulFertser> mitrax: -g options do not affect flashed regions anyway. Check your map file to see what exactly is pulling sprintf in.
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2015-11-26T20:33:49 < mitrax> PaulFerster: it behaves super weirdly, i call a templated function once, the binary is like 19kB without all that crap linked in, i call the *same* function one more time, with the same argument (i.e same type, the template doesn't get instantiated with something new) and the binary becomes 80kB, it makes no sense
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2015-11-26T20:36:42 < PaulFertser> mitrax: still, ask linker to generate it and check the map file.
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2015-11-26T20:37:07 < mitrax> PaulFertser: yeah sorry trying to do that atm :) -Wl,-Map=output.map ?
2015-11-26T20:37:24 < PaulFertser> mitrax: iirc, yes
2015-11-26T20:37:58 < PaulFertser> There you'll be able to trace through all the dependency chain that leads to linking.
2015-11-26T20:41:47 < celeron55_> it's probably generating code that uses something silly like abort() which uses all the crap by default
2015-11-26T20:44:23 < zyp> mitrax, are you using polymorphism? have you disabled RTTI? have you disabled exceptions?
2015-11-26T20:44:24 < mitrax> AHA! yup it's the pure virtual function call handler that gets linked (which throws exceptions and call newlib stuff)
2015-11-26T20:46:32 < Steffanx> goodmorning flyback
2015-11-26T20:49:07 < mitrax> zyp: oops, i had forgotten to disable rtti, indeed, thanks
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2015-11-26T22:32:23 < GargantuaSauce> Ecco: allwinner a13 is available in singles and has mainlined drivers
2015-11-26T22:32:47 < GargantuaSauce> also has a qfp package option
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2015-11-26T23:01:26 < upgrdman> just ported my lcd font to the new spi lcd. forgot i made the "u" into a greek mu. lol  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/spi_lcd2.jpg
2015-11-26T23:03:40 < kakimir> nice display
2015-11-26T23:04:21 < upgrdman> not bad for $2.59 shipped
2015-11-26T23:05:08 < kakimir> what is that connector mess?
2015-11-26T23:05:34 < kakimir> do you have shiet soldered to flatflex?
2015-11-26T23:05:40 < upgrdman> dupont jumpers soldered to PFC
2015-11-26T23:05:46 < upgrdman> ys
2015-11-26T23:05:52 < GargantuaSauce> man none of my dupont pins are solderable
2015-11-26T23:06:11 < GargantuaSauce> way too oxidized
2015-11-26T23:06:21 < kakimir> *yuck*
2015-11-26T23:06:37 < kakimir> GargantuaSauce: apply brutal temperatures to them
2015-11-26T23:06:49 < GargantuaSauce> yeah gotta remember to do that before assembly
2015-11-26T23:06:59 < GargantuaSauce> or maybe i'll attack them with sandpaper or something
2015-11-26T23:07:04 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-26T23:07:08 < artag> use proper solder with rosin fux core
2015-11-26T23:07:19 < upgrdman> i keep a micro file set for when i want to fuck with old pins / contacts
2015-11-26T23:07:25 < GargantuaSauce> i use liquid flux on top of that, wouldn't suffice
2015-11-26T23:07:57 < artag> liquid flux is for clean smd stuff not tarnished tin
2015-11-26T23:08:17 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, really? is your iron cold? i solder at like 350C/650F and everything solders easily
2015-11-26T23:09:50 < kakimir> how old your duponts are?
2015-11-26T23:09:53 < kakimir> from 90s?
2015-11-26T23:10:29 < upgrdman> mine? maybe 2-3 years
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2015-11-26T23:14:15 < GargantuaSauce> it's just this batch
2015-11-26T23:14:35 < GargantuaSauce> they probably sat in a shenzen warehouse at 45C for half a summer or something
2015-11-26T23:16:17 < upgrdman> bummer
2015-11-26T23:16:38 < GargantuaSauce> its what i get for choosing the cheapest shit on ebay
2015-11-26T23:16:52 < upgrdman> guess i got lucky
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2015-11-26T23:30:10 < upgrdman> hmmm https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/
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2015-11-26T23:33:07 < pid> https://gist.github.com/pidpawel/0a33b87baee686f550d2
2015-11-26T23:33:07 < pid> i have a weird problem. i'm trying to use spi with dma. sequence here is read, read, read, write, read, read… when i'm not enabling dma while tx-only transaction the result is like above. when i'm enabling dma even when in tx everything works fine.
2015-11-26T23:33:36 < pid> i'm using "2 line full duplex" spi mode if it clarifies something…
2015-11-26T23:33:49 < kakimir> that is maybe shittiest way to connect usb ever
2015-11-26T23:34:08 < kakimir> even unpopulated terminal is almost better
2015-11-26T23:34:11 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-26T23:34:29 < kakimir> you have to buy cables seperatelly?
2015-11-26T23:34:37 < pid> am i forrgetting about something? like - rx dma must be always on? like some weird dma register clearing?
2015-11-26T23:40:43 < englishman> upgrdman: what lcd is that, each pixel is multi colour or only in rows?
2015-11-26T23:40:59 < upgrdman> is rgb565. all pixels can be any color
2015-11-26T23:41:09 < englishman> nice
2015-11-26T23:41:15 < upgrdman> i should note that the viewing angles are "meh"
2015-11-26T23:41:19 < upgrdman> but for the price...
2015-11-26T23:41:22 < upgrdman> lemme get a link
2015-11-26T23:42:18 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400897044597
2015-11-26T23:42:33 < englishman> lol nice
2015-11-26T23:42:44 < englishman> probably $3 for fpc connector amirite
2015-11-26T23:43:11 < upgrdman> ya
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2015-11-26T23:43:20 < upgrdman> pinout and retarduino code here:  http://www.elecrow.com/144-128x-128-tft-lcd-with-spi-interface-p-855.html
2015-11-26T23:44:28 < upgrdman> englishman, i misread that. there is no connector for it. it's meany to be soldered direct to pcb by hotbar or hand.
2015-11-26T23:44:34 < englishman> ouch
2015-11-26T23:44:39 < upgrdman> its EASY
2015-11-26T23:44:41 < upgrdman> very easy
2015-11-26T23:44:51 < englishman> not if youre doing more than 1
2015-11-26T23:45:00 < upgrdman> like this: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic4.jpg
2015-11-26T23:45:26 < upgrdman> i dunno. soldered liek 10 pads seems quicker than fucking with a PFC connector and latching it
2015-11-26T23:45:54 < englishman> guess it depends on the squintiness of your production line
2015-11-26T23:46:20 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-26T23:46:28 < kakimir> anyone using putty tray?
2015-11-26T23:46:37 < GargantuaSauce> the pitch is huge though, what is that .05"?
2015-11-26T23:46:41 < kakimir> puttytray*
2015-11-26T23:46:51 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, prolly
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2015-11-26T23:47:51 < GargantuaSauce> yeah looks pretty halfassable
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2015-11-26T23:48:14 < kakimir> what is the rightmost module?
2015-11-26T23:48:28 < upgrdman> kakimir, ?
2015-11-26T23:48:31 < upgrdman> in what pic
2015-11-26T23:48:59 < GargantuaSauce> the not-bluetooth radio
2015-11-26T23:49:12 < kakimir> the not-bluetooth radio
2015-11-26T23:49:21 < GargantuaSauce> spoilers: the part number is on the silkscreen
2015-11-26T23:49:36 < kakimir> what is name of it
2015-11-26T23:49:47 < upgrdman> oh. that's my servo tester / tetris / spectrum anal geyser / pwm generator / bluetooth 2.0 board.
2015-11-26T23:50:07 < kakimir> ok
2015-11-26T23:50:20 < kakimir> cc2500
2015-11-26T23:50:25 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-26T23:50:53 < kakimir> is it ebay module?
2015-11-26T23:51:02 < upgrdman> hc05
2015-11-26T23:51:08 < upgrdman> like $3 iirc
2015-11-26T23:51:26 < kakimir> yes I know that one
2015-11-26T23:51:39 < upgrdman> i never did use the module tho. got to lazy to write the firmware for it, aside from a hello world test
2015-11-26T23:51:48 < kakimir> I have one module myself.. no plans
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2015-11-26T23:55:58 < GargantuaSauce> lol what the hell would you ever do with one radio module
2015-11-26T23:57:21 < englishman> spectrum analyzer
2015-11-26T23:57:29 < englishman> or...
2015-11-26T23:57:33 < englishman> ask SETI
2015-11-26T23:57:39 < englishman> they have the only one
2015-11-26T23:57:42 < englishman> in the universe
2015-11-26T23:57:44 < GargantuaSauce> lol
2015-11-26T23:58:30 < kakimir> turn it into handheld radio
2015-11-26T23:58:52 < kakimir> bluetooth wifi adapter?
2015-11-26T23:59:05 < kakimir> wifi jammer?
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2015-11-27T00:02:10 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, were you asking me or kak?
2015-11-27T00:02:30 < GargantuaSauce> kakeman, since i assumed you bought more than one anyway
2015-11-27T00:02:35 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-27T00:02:48 < upgrdman> but even if you only buy one, your other radio would be your pc
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2015-11-27T00:03:21 < GargantuaSauce> but it's a proprietary protocol....
2015-11-27T00:03:44 < upgrdman> oh you were referring to the cc2500?
2015-11-27T00:03:53 < upgrdman> i was thinking of hc05 bluetooth
2015-11-27T00:03:53 < kakimir> like intermodule communication?
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2015-11-27T00:12:08 < GargantuaSauce> cool they sell it with a carrier board too http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-44-Serial-LCD-Display-128-128-SPI-TFT-Color-Screen-PCB-Adapter-5110-/400684713153
2015-11-27T00:12:33 < englishman> thats a bit more workable
2015-11-27T00:12:43 < englishman> almost 2x the price tho!
2015-11-27T00:12:45 < englishman> such ripoff
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2015-11-27T00:12:56 < GargantuaSauce> lol its another 80 cents
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2015-11-27T00:13:36 < upgrdman> but then you have PTH AIDS
2015-11-27T00:13:46 < GargantuaSauce> but muh ardweeno
2015-11-27T00:13:53 < upgrdman> indeed
2015-11-27T00:14:32 < GargantuaSauce> perfect for my kickstarter selling modules premounted on a breadboard
2015-11-27T00:14:43 < englishman> on a drone
2015-11-27T00:14:46 < englishman> in Wales
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2015-11-27T02:21:34 < upgrdman> is someone DDoS'ing freenode or something?
2015-11-27T02:21:48 < _Getty> now where you say it <switchoff>
2015-11-27T02:24:02 < upgrdman> ?
2015-11-27T02:25:13 < englishman> when is someone not ddosing freenode
2015-11-27T02:28:32 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUA9ICnDT4E&feature=share
2015-11-27T02:28:37 < upgrdman> looks fake, but lol
2015-11-27T02:29:11 < Roklobsta> old
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2015-11-27T02:50:05 < dongs> tectu, pong
2015-11-27T02:51:46 < zyp> is he still going on about cameras?
2015-11-27T03:03:35 < kakimir> there is dozens of meters height difference in sea surface
2015-11-27T03:04:19 < kakimir> because gravity differences
2015-11-27T03:05:11 < englishman> looks flat to me
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2015-11-27T03:20:55 < Zoom> Hi, for making automations and controlling components, which is better stm32f4 , raspberry pi or arduino and why?
2015-11-27T03:21:54 < englishman> definitely arduino/raspberri pi combo
2015-11-27T03:22:14 < Zoom> why not stm32f4?
2015-11-27T03:23:37 < Zoom> arduino is for those who want to copy and not learn
2015-11-27T03:23:38 < scrts> f3
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2015-11-27T04:49:20 < dongs> < Zoom> arduino is for those who want to copy and not learn
2015-11-27T04:49:23 < dongs> isnt that what you want to do
2015-11-27T04:49:25 < dongs> in teh first place
2015-11-27T04:49:27 < dongs> you fucking stoner
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2015-11-27T05:09:57 < dongs> http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/the-100-greatest-innovations-of-2015/ss-AAfFIos?ocid=mailsignout#image=67
2015-11-27T05:10:00 < dongs> lol
2015-11-27T05:10:39 < scrts> sup dongs?
2015-11-27T05:10:44 < dongs> not fucking much
2015-11-27T05:10:49 < dongs> too stoned to do anything useful
2015-11-27T05:11:07 < scrts> not innovating? meh...
2015-11-27T05:11:16 < scrts> did you try to do any stuff with camera you had?
2015-11-27T05:11:28 < dongs> yes
2015-11-27T05:11:30 < dongs> i got it to talk over sccb
2015-11-27T05:11:33 < dongs> and read out sensor ID
2015-11-27T05:11:38 < dongs> and got it clocking/etc
2015-11-27T05:11:45 < dongs> should be good to go to start writing some actual code soon
2015-11-27T05:11:46 < scrts> so got image too?
2015-11-27T05:11:50 < dongs> nope
2015-11-27T05:11:53 < dongs> hasvent evne bothered.
2015-11-27T05:11:58 < scrts> okay
2015-11-27T05:12:17 < dongs> that board is currently stuck in complete fucking rage
2015-11-27T05:12:26 < dongs> of DAC DMA not starting if I move unrelated lines of code
2015-11-27T05:12:29 < dongs> in a totally different  function
2015-11-27T05:12:44 < scrts> hm
2015-11-27T05:12:54 < scrts> camera and dac on the same board?
2015-11-27T05:12:57 < scrts> interesting stuff
2015-11-27T05:13:02 < dongs> well, internal dac
2015-11-27T05:13:36 < scrts> not hunting for blac kfriday deals yet?
2015-11-27T05:14:33 < dongs> i got wat i wanted
2015-11-27T05:15:02 < dongs> http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/radius-12/P25W-C2300-4K was 100$ off @ bestbuy with free shipping
2015-11-27T05:26:08 < upgrdman> dongs, you gonna use that 12" 4k display with 125% scaling? :)
2015-11-27T05:26:13 < dongs> yes
2015-11-27T05:44:10 < scrts> I've got a new phone with 2550x1440 display
2015-11-27T05:44:22 < upgrdman> note?
2015-11-27T05:44:37 < scrts> and I don't see any difference between this and my wifes 1920x1080...
2015-11-27T05:44:44 < scrts> upgrdman-> lg g4
2015-11-27T05:44:49 < upgrdman> your eyes are fucked then
2015-11-27T05:44:54 < upgrdman> j/k
2015-11-27T05:45:09 < Roklobsta> sctrs-magoo.
2015-11-27T05:45:21 < scrts> well, -2.25, but still
2015-11-27T05:46:00 < scrts> I can't understand why they push for higher resolutions... requires more power
2015-11-27T05:46:11 < dongs> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mississippi-man-kills-father-stabs-mother-dispute-over-food-police-n470011
2015-11-27T05:46:15 < dongs> typical american activity
2015-11-27T05:46:18 < Roklobsta> marketing elbowed their way into an engineering meeting
2015-11-27T05:47:32 < Roklobsta> scrts: This mentality.  http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-11056
2015-11-27T05:50:02 < dongs> The White House was on lockdown for a while Thursday after a man wearing an American flag jumped its newly upgraded fence while President Barack Obama and his family were inside the residence for the holiday, authorities said.
2015-11-27T05:50:06 < dongs> lol
2015-11-27T05:55:54 < upgrdman> in altidongs symbol creator, how do i move the crosshair?
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2015-11-27T06:09:39 < upgrdman> dongs, you around?
2015-11-27T06:12:31 < dongs> ya
2015-11-27T06:12:38 < dongs> sup?
2015-11-27T06:12:52 < upgrdman> how the fuck do i move the cross hair thinggy in altium?
2015-11-27T06:12:58 < dongs> waht is crosshair thingy?
2015-11-27T06:12:59 < dongs> origin?
2015-11-27T06:13:03 < upgrdman> i guess
2015-11-27T06:13:10 < upgrdman> like when making a pcb lib
2015-11-27T06:13:17 < upgrdman> the + looking thing on the grid
2015-11-27T06:13:24 < dongs> e-f-l
2015-11-27T06:13:47 < upgrdman> YES
2015-11-27T06:13:50 < upgrdman> thank you!
2015-11-27T06:13:51 < dongs> and click, or jl to a specific place
2015-11-27T06:13:52 < dongs> ^_^
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2015-11-27T06:19:32 < dongs> wtf
2015-11-27T06:19:38 < dongs> the mouse demo mode on F072 disco
2015-11-27T06:19:39 < dongs> is fucking weird
2015-11-27T06:20:58 < upgrdman> so im making a pcb symbol for the shit lcd i got. i want a silkscreen rectangle under the lcd, because of their shit backlight design, and there will have to be pads in the middle of the silkscreen pour. how the fuck do i draw silkscreen that doesn't overlap the pads?
2015-11-27T06:21:42 < dongs> you dont, just draw it separately
2015-11-27T06:21:48 < dongs> or draw it once then e-k to split it
2015-11-27T06:21:52 < dongs> and remove the shit on top
2015-11-27T06:22:52 < upgrdman> "top overlay" is top silk, right?
2015-11-27T06:23:38 < dongs> yes
2015-11-27T06:23:42 < dongs> ek only works on current layer
2015-11-27T06:24:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kYzOHcE.png
2015-11-27T06:24:20 < dongs> very OCD
2015-11-27T06:24:37 < dongs> my workpals all just draw a fucking rectangle over that shit and done
2015-11-27T06:26:12 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-11-27T06:26:25 < upgrdman> e-k... how the fuck does it work? you draw a line and it cuts the shit below it?
2015-11-27T06:26:37 < dongs> cut perpendicularly
2015-11-27T06:26:40 < dongs> ---|-----
2015-11-27T06:26:51 < dongs> ek, start top of |, drag to bottom
2015-11-27T06:27:47 < upgrdman> ok, and i click at the bottom, and it just goes away
2015-11-27T06:28:03 < dongs> and the line should be cut
2015-11-27T06:28:09 < dongs> you should have top overlay layer selected tho
2015-11-27T06:29:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oc2pOYn.png
2015-11-27T06:29:23 < dongs> o whoa
2015-11-27T06:29:27 < dongs> if y ou hit tab you can change how wide it cuts
2015-11-27T06:29:38 < dongs> now i can ocd silk in between like 50 pin headers
2015-11-27T06:30:08 < dongs> and looks like you can change which layers it cuts through in that dialog too
2015-11-27T06:30:25 < upgrdman> when i click the end, it just says choose starting location
2015-11-27T06:30:57 < dongs> ek, click once above silk line
2015-11-27T06:30:58 < dongs> drag down
2015-11-27T06:30:59 < dongs> click agian
2015-11-27T06:31:00 < dongs> it will cut
2015-11-27T06:31:02 < dongs> wtf man
2015-11-27T06:32:00 < upgrdman> im trying to silk a rectangle. filled rectangle. not a line
2015-11-27T06:32:16 < upgrdman> i was a filled rect of silk, but some silk removed around pads inside the rect
2015-11-27T06:32:32 < dongs> ah, it doesnt cut those
2015-11-27T06:32:34 < upgrdman> fuck it, i'll do multiple rect's.
2015-11-27T06:32:47 < upgrdman> ok, cool.
2015-11-27T06:32:51 < dongs> you can try get tricky and use polygon cutout thing
2015-11-27T06:33:33 < dongs> er region cutout
2015-11-27T06:37:05 < akaWolf> heh
2015-11-27T06:52:26 < upgrdman> whats a good silkscreen font? consolas?
2015-11-27T06:53:33 < dongs> no
2015-11-27T06:53:36 < dongs> the vector one
2015-11-27T06:53:44 < dongs> failing that, comic sans
2015-11-27T06:54:18 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-27T06:54:21 < dongs> but generally dont use ttf for silk
2015-11-27T06:54:23 < dongs> it looks nasty
2015-11-27T06:54:29 < upgrdman> ?
2015-11-27T06:54:39 < dongs> use the 3 altidong vector fonts
2015-11-27T06:54:43 < dongs> default/serif/sanserif
2015-11-27T06:55:45 < dongs> farnell is now pimping coocox ide?
2015-11-27T06:55:59 < dongs> big props to it on back of 072 disco box
2015-11-27T06:56:17 < upgrdman> oh. so that's the ugly serif font i see on some china shit. lol.
2015-11-27T06:56:27 < dongs> yes
2015-11-27T06:56:28 < dongs> LOL
2015-11-27T06:56:40 < dongs> by "some" you mean "all"
2015-11-27T06:56:45 < dongs> for some reason chink altidong defaults to that one
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2015-11-27T07:19:58 < dongs> <jan5.2015> This all sounds good, just hope you don't loose sight of the original idea of autonomous selfies. I backed on the premise of an automatic flying selfie camera for me and my friends, and have no interest in any kind of manual flying.
2015-11-27T07:23:27 < dongs> emeb_mac: youre using stdperiphlib wiht F0 right
2015-11-27T07:23:41 < dongs> or did you upgrade to cube
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2015-11-27T07:23:56 < emeb_mac> nope - just stdperiph
2015-11-27T07:24:28 < emeb_mac> only used cube on F7
2015-11-27T07:24:43 < dongs> huh datecode on both F072 and stlink F1 on this board are from 2013
2015-11-27T07:27:58 < upgrdman> can altidongs silkscreen do bezier curves?
2015-11-27T07:28:06 < upgrdman> like some bending lines.
2015-11-27T07:29:26 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-27T07:29:29 < dongs> i think?
2015-11-27T07:29:38 < dongs> or maybe just arcs
2015-11-27T07:29:38 < dongs> i duno
2015-11-27T07:29:53 < dongs> ya arcs only.
2015-11-27T07:29:53 < dongs> sry.
2015-11-27T07:30:53 < upgrdman> ;(
2015-11-27T07:31:04 < dongs> turn in your illustrator badge
2015-11-27T07:31:09 < dongs> why the fuck would you even need beziers on a PCB
2015-11-27T07:32:28 < upgrdman> well i want silk names for pads on an lcd connector. (i know... but i do) and the text would be too small to read, so i want to draw smooth lines between text and pads
2015-11-27T07:33:26 < upgrdman> or can i at least draw lines that are not 90 or 45 degrees?
2015-11-27T07:37:53 < upgrdman> fuck it
2015-11-27T07:39:31 < dongs> yes you can
2015-11-27T07:39:33 < dongs> shift-r
2015-11-27T07:39:41 < dongs> er shift-space
2015-11-27T07:43:38 < dongs>   > Self-documented code
2015-11-27T07:43:47 < dongs> from here: http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF260157#
2015-11-27T07:44:29 < dongs> weird, no altidong files for this disco
2015-11-27T07:44:32 < dongs> got schematics and gerber
2015-11-27T07:44:58 < upgrdman> shift space FTW. thanks
2015-11-27T08:12:31 < dongs> heh i got a laptop hdd here that reports 53978 power on hours
2015-11-27T08:13:05 < dongs> mkay, F0 project skeleton completed and building
2015-11-27T08:13:09 < dongs> now to try make it do somethin
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2015-11-27T08:15:42 < upgrdman> 7 years for a craptop. wowo
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2015-11-27T08:19:44 < dongs> heh doh
2015-11-27T08:19:54 < dongs> the disco has I2C2 broken out on nice conector
2015-11-27T08:19:58 < dongs> but its already pulled up to 3V3
2015-11-27T08:20:24 < dongs> gonna hve to use I2C1
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2015-11-27T08:22:01 < dongs> huh
2015-11-27T08:22:04 < dongs> there's a new usb library
2015-11-27T08:22:31 < dongs> including sample CCID class
2015-11-27T08:22:32 < dongs> neat
2015-11-27T08:25:25 < dongs> ugh, the F0 snippets are using raw registers haha
2015-11-27T08:25:37 < dongs> nope nope nope
2015-11-27T08:27:24 < dongs> maybe i can use CPAL!!!
2015-11-27T08:28:45 < dongs> stm32f0xx_stdperiph_lib_um.chm is just autogenerated garbage from doxygen
2015-11-27T08:30:44 < dongs> ------- Refer to the user manual of the library and (eventually) the example to check if this firmware is appropriate for your hardware (device and (eventually) evaluation board)
2015-11-27T08:30:47 < dongs> LOL ST
2015-11-27T08:30:52 < dongs> (eventually)
2015-11-27T08:30:55 < dongs> (get fucked)
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2015-11-27T09:12:28 < PeterM> [17:12] <dongs> heh i got a laptop hdd here that reports 53978 power on hours
2015-11-27T09:12:47 < PeterM> thats not that unreasonable, one of the 2tb drives in my server is at 1700 days
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2015-11-27T09:26:08 < dongs> reading about I2C OAR2MSK shit and it makes no sense
2015-11-27T09:26:58 < dongs> 'least significant bits of this adress can be amsked through OA2MSK register, in order to acknowldge multiple slave addreses"
2015-11-27T09:28:03 < dongs> OA2[2:1] are masked and don.t care. Only OA2[7:3] are compared.
2015-11-27T09:28:04 < dongs> etc.
2015-11-27T09:28:41 < dongs> dont care what.
2015-11-27T09:28:43 < dongs> fucking dumb trash
2015-11-27T09:28:48 < dongs> OA2[7:1] are masked and don.t care. No comparison is done, and all (except reserved) 7-bit received addresses are acknowledged.
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2015-11-27T09:28:51 < dongs> ill just set it to this and hope it works
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2015-11-27T09:33:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2tdrbR1.gifv
2015-11-27T09:34:51 < dongs> the masking shit isnt gonna work, i think it was the same problem last time
2015-11-27T09:35:01 < dongs> i cannot mask it specific enough, and I cannot reject address match in interrupt
2015-11-27T09:35:47 < dongs> I have addresses 0x29..2A 2B 2C to match, but firmware will try "reading" up to 0x39 and will make a map of all addreses that responded
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2015-11-27T09:38:44 < dongs> fuk.
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2015-11-27T10:16:30 < upgrdman> how tall is default silk text? 50mil?
2015-11-27T10:17:14 < dongs> "tall"?
2015-11-27T10:17:14 < dongs> thickness?
2015-11-27T10:17:47 < dongs> i duno i use 24mil but i dont use chinafabs
2015-11-27T10:17:47 < upgrdman> "height" in altium
2015-11-27T10:17:47 < upgrdman> ok
2015-11-27T10:17:48 < dongs> zyp: looks like we might have to revisit softi2c on F1 again.
2015-11-27T10:17:54 < dongs> and try to make it work without overclocking :)
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2015-11-27T11:20:05 < upgrdman> will altium tolerate having a componet dangling off the edge of the pcb? like if i make a symbol for an rf module with pcb antenna, and use a silk outline, but want the pcb antenna dangling off of my pcb, will that silk be allowed to stick out past the edge of the pcb?
2015-11-27T11:20:54 < PeterM> afaict yes
2015-11-27T11:22:21 < upgrdman> ok thanks
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2015-11-27T11:37:26 < ReadError> f'in freenode
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2015-11-27T11:38:45 < jpa-> ReadError: do you fear that people on this channel will be offended if you say "fucking"?
2015-11-27T11:39:45 < ReadError> morning fingers, lazy ;(
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2015-11-27T11:41:01 < PeterM> there hasnt been any splits for months but in the last few days,, split spam
2015-11-27T11:42:02 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/670162459328684032
2015-11-27T11:43:29 < PeterM> there you go, whod have thought there was actually a practical use for twatter
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2015-11-27T11:49:47 < jubatus> DDoS! I had forgotten about those. Somebody must be feeling nostalgic for the past to launch a DDoS now.
2015-11-27T11:50:21 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/-j43GcykUA/?taken-by=readerror67
2015-11-27T11:50:21 < ReadError> made a vine
2015-11-27T11:51:04 < ReadError> pick-n-place is moving on 1 axis now
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2015-11-27T12:01:17 < karlp> dongs: what was weird about the mouse demo on f072? it was just a regular air mouse wasn't it?
2015-11-27T12:01:18 < dongs> karlp: i duno wat an airmouse is
2015-11-27T12:01:39 < dongs> but i couldnt figure out how to "use" it
2015-11-27T12:01:40 < dongs> it doesnt move fast enough, and also has weird motions
2015-11-27T12:03:12 < jubatus> I think airmouse is for media TV PCs.
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2015-11-27T12:03:25 < jubatus> to be used when you're on the couch and dont have a handy flat surface.
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2015-11-27T12:09:37 < karlp> dongs: yeah, it was slow, I remember that at least.
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2015-11-27T12:20:43 < Getty> trying to buy a HDMI product from amazon seems to be the "prime challenge" of modern civilization
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2015-11-27T12:23:52 < karlp> nice analogy, "When we got the clone into our hands we found that it hadn’t been programmed. At all. Not even a boot loader. It’s similar to buying a new car to find that not only does it not have fuel, it doesn’t even have a fuel tank."
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2015-11-27T12:24:27 < karlp> and for the arduino lovers, "We’ve found that this simple feature is as popular with first time users as it is with Arduino pros."
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2015-11-27T12:35:30 < Ecco> GargantuaSauce: Interesting
2015-11-27T12:35:30 < Ecco> Where can I purchase Allwinner A13s?
2015-11-27T12:35:58 < Ecco> Apparently Olimex sells some
2015-11-27T12:36:02 < Ecco> but they're like $6
2015-11-27T12:36:08 < Ecco> Not bad though
2015-11-27T12:36:17 < Ecco> Sorry, 8€
2015-11-27T12:38:36 < Ecco> thanks a lot GargantuaSauce
2015-11-27T12:38:39 < Laurenceb_> apparently pi zero is free with their "mag"
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2015-11-27T12:59:04 < jubatus> one issue or year's subscription ?
2015-11-27T12:59:14 < ReadError> one issue
2015-11-27T12:59:25 < ReadError> can buy at stores
2015-11-27T13:00:01 < emeryth> I imagine it's instantly sold out
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2015-11-27T13:19:03 < jpa-> heh, someone from st wants me to improve my etm/itm decoders for free
2015-11-27T13:21:31 < karlp> wat? sending you a complaint mail instead of just offering to fix them?
2015-11-27T13:23:13 < jpa-> well, sending me a request for help "i'll send you some traces and you can fix it to work for cortex-m4"
2015-11-27T13:23:19 < jpa-> quite polite, but somehow funny
2015-11-27T13:23:39 < jpa-> directed him to just put them into sigrok-dumps, i'm too lazy to do anything i don't need :P
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2015-11-27T14:48:39 < kakimir> whats going on here
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2015-11-27T14:54:27 < kakimir> boom boom
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2015-11-27T14:54:56 < kakimir> caffeine poured into my gears
2015-11-27T14:56:43 < kakimir> you will cry when you see amount of vias in final boards
2015-11-27T14:57:25 < kakimir> I don't know when to stop
2015-11-27T14:58:14 < PeterM> sorry http://techdocs.altium.com/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/231665/ViaStitching.png ?
2015-11-27T14:58:49 < PeterM> if you exceed that kind of via density, then its ok to cry
2015-11-27T14:58:57 < PeterM> if you do not, then you need mroe vias
2015-11-27T14:59:23 < kakimir> that's tite
2015-11-27T14:59:32 < kakimir> how much it puts thru? 100Amps?
2015-11-27T14:59:58 < PeterM> no idea, not my board
2015-11-27T15:00:05 < jpa-> probably nothing
2015-11-27T15:00:16 < jpa-> does not look like high current board
2015-11-27T15:00:19 < kakimir> is there anything wrong with that board..  no
2015-11-27T15:02:41 < PeterM> looks like someone tried to show an example of how many vias they could automaticalyl add toa a board
2015-11-27T15:03:18 < kakimir> even stiching is nice static pattern for empty areas
2015-11-27T15:04:02 < kakimir> if extended to all the way to sides of board
2015-11-27T15:04:11 < kakimir> not just some islands in the middle
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2015-11-27T15:08:35 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSGRjMUNTWXRKaGs/view?usp=sharing
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2015-11-27T15:09:38 < kakimir> outlines are quite ready
2015-11-27T15:09:45 < kakimir> now just fill everything
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2015-11-27T15:12:34 < kakimir> I want to ground level to be solid around analog circuits
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2015-11-27T15:21:02 < kakimir> it makes sense to put vias to sides of empty blocks
2015-11-27T15:21:20 < kakimir> if we think it's a copper conductor
2015-11-27T15:21:30 < kakimir> we want to make it as wide as possible
2015-11-27T15:22:00 < kakimir> hmm.. it also becomes longer
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2015-11-27T15:24:32 < kakimir> to make it wide but not longer place few vias in middle areas
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2015-11-27T15:29:04 < kakimir> I don't really like drawing pcbs
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2015-11-27T15:29:11 < kakimir> can't do it too many days in row
2015-11-27T15:29:21 < kakimir> I become anxious
2015-11-27T15:29:40 < kakimir> once I did 2weeks in row
2015-11-27T15:29:49 < kakimir> it was like *vomit*
2015-11-27T15:30:29 < kakimir> but when I start coding I understand I'm more productive to draw pcb than code
2015-11-27T15:34:29 < GargantuaSauce> it just goes to show that irc is the most productive and fulfilling activity available
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2015-11-27T16:35:43 < kakimir> ..aaand it's out of hand now https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNHBSOG9FbDBtUDg/view?usp=sharing
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2015-11-27T16:39:18 < Laurenceb_> so many vias
2015-11-27T16:40:38 < kakimir> I'm getting into climax
2015-11-27T16:41:17 < Sync> tmi
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2015-11-27T16:46:08 < kakimir> do you ever get that thing when you are working that you get violently intense into it
2015-11-27T16:46:35 < ReadError> dicknplace is moving on 2 axi now
2015-11-27T16:46:41 < kakimir> every second 1second away to chop the keyboard with an axe
2015-11-27T16:46:43 < Sync> amaze
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2015-11-27T16:47:04 < kakimir> ReadError: is it your own production?
2015-11-27T16:47:39 < ReadError> yes make myself
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2015-11-27T16:49:41 < kakimir> don't say you program it yourself too?
2015-11-27T16:51:24 < kakimir> frontend side*
2015-11-27T16:51:40 < ReadError> nah
2015-11-27T16:51:46 < kakimir> is there ready programs btw for frontend?
2015-11-27T16:51:51 < kakimir> opensores
2015-11-27T16:52:34 < ReadError> openpnp
2015-11-27T16:56:29 < kakimir> how about propiertary ones?
2015-11-27T16:56:37 < kakimir> inexpensives
2015-11-27T16:56:44 < ReadError> duno about any of those
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2015-11-27T16:58:03 < hornang> Is "system memory" read-only ?
2015-11-27T16:58:37 < kakimir> what system memory?
2015-11-27T16:58:46 < kakimir> be more specific
2015-11-27T16:59:05 < hornang> the memory where the boot loader is located in STM32 chips
2015-11-27T16:59:21 < Laurenceb_> how abby formed
2015-11-27T16:59:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-lia-FEIY
2015-11-27T17:00:16 < kakimir> I don't see any reason a boot loader should be rewriteable
2015-11-27T17:01:05 < hornang> kakimir: there could be many reasons. e.g indicating to the user that the unit is in boot loader mode by blinking a LED.
2015-11-27T17:02:26 < kakimir> I think bootloaders in mcus generally are made so that user could not accidentally or intentionally mess with them
2015-11-27T17:03:00 < hornang> Probably true. I just can't find a definitive answer to it.
2015-11-27T17:03:40 < kakimir> put some one chip led blinker and led to design
2015-11-27T17:04:04 < kakimir> connect some reset state pulled up pin to enable it
2015-11-27T17:04:44 < kakimir> http://www.rapidonline.com/electronic-components/trusemi-m34-1-3332-01-led-flasher-chip-1hz-82-0030 google gave something like this
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2015-11-27T17:13:41 < kakimir> or 555 circuit
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2015-11-27T17:23:58 < kakimir> 2000holes
2015-11-27T17:24:41 < Laurenceb_> ur mum
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2015-11-27T17:27:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUXQtdGVFaEZDRjA/view?usp=sharing
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2015-11-27T17:40:58 < trepidacious> hornang: The bootloader is stored in the internal boot ROM memory (system memory) of STM32 devices. It is programmed by ST during production.
2015-11-27T17:41:05 < trepidacious> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-49979/l/stmicroelectronics-an2606--application-note-of-stm32-microcontroller-system-memory-boot-mode
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2015-11-27T17:41:27 < trepidacious> "ROM" so I guess read-only
2015-11-27T17:41:47 < trepidacious> Although it's odd that they say they program it, maybe it is OTP
2015-11-27T17:42:16 < karlp> if it's unlocakable via magic writes, theyv'e done a good job of keeping it secret.
2015-11-27T17:42:36 < karlp> but I imagine it's otp, given that they fucked up teh bootloader on some f3s,
2015-11-27T17:42:46 < karlp> that ws surely a process fuckup, not an entirely wrong mask rom
2015-11-27T17:43:13 < trepidacious> Makes sense
2015-11-27T17:48:24 < hornang> trepidacious: It was tempted to write my own bootloader so I could display stuff on the LCD, but probably I will stick with the built-in one.
2015-11-27T17:48:49 < trepidacious> hornang: You don't need to actually use their bootloader, you can have your own second-stage one
2015-11-27T17:49:14 < hornang> Yes, I figured out that today, so basically you allocate a sector in internal flash for your own bootloader?
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2015-11-27T17:54:07 < trepidacious> hornang: Yup, I use some of the bigger F4s so I have a huge 128kiB for bootloader :)
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2015-11-27T17:54:33 < trepidacious> But it does USB mass storage etc. so it does need a little bit of space, not really that much though
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2015-11-27T17:54:57 < hornang> trepidacious: Same here. I have one with two flash banks.
2015-11-27T17:55:31 < trepidacious> That makes it easier - however check the errata about using the second bank at the same time as one of the USBs
2015-11-27T17:55:46 < hornang> Okay
2015-11-27T17:55:51 < trepidacious> I wish I could just use the dual bank stuff myself, but we're using that USB so basically the second MiB is useless
2015-11-27T17:56:14 < hornang> Ah, really. Is it using the same memory bus/address or something+
2015-11-27T17:56:25 < zyp> no, it's just dumb
2015-11-27T17:56:58 < trepidacious> How can haz make pins not drive each other?
2015-11-27T17:56:59 < zyp> it's fixed in newest revision, just a pain in the ass to find newest revision
2015-11-27T17:57:22 < hornang> zyp: You talking about the newest revision of the chip?
2015-11-27T17:57:24 < trepidacious> Yup, literally no one will tell you which silicon revision you are getting.
2015-11-27T17:57:33 < zyp> hornang, yes
2015-11-27T17:57:34 < hornang> Okay.
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2015-11-27T17:57:48 < trepidacious> I would have thought that new stuff would be the newest revision by now, but I don't know
2015-11-27T17:57:55 < zyp> trepidacious, is this F427 or F429?
2015-11-27T17:58:14 < trepidacious> zyp: 437 I think
2015-11-27T17:58:33 < zyp> in june/july/august when I was dicking around with this, most distributors had rev 1, i.e. second newest
2015-11-27T17:58:38 < zyp> rev 3 is the one that's fixed
2015-11-27T17:58:54 < zyp> digikey promised me rev 3, but shipped me rev 1
2015-11-27T17:59:12 < zyp> then dongs managed to find somebody with rev 3
2015-11-27T17:59:23 < zyp> for F427
2015-11-27T17:59:36 < zyp> the crypto parts is probably even more of a pain to get
2015-11-27T17:59:53 < trepidacious> zyp: yup :(
2015-11-27T18:00:56 < MightyPork> hi, anyone have the Nucleo F303 board? I am getting error unknown chip id! 0x10036446 from st-flash
2015-11-27T18:01:06 < MightyPork> so what could it be?
2015-11-27T18:01:36 < zyp> st-flash not updated to support F303?
2015-11-27T18:01:57 < zyp> st-flash is pretty old
2015-11-27T18:02:10 < zyp> people nowadays usually use openocd instead
2015-11-27T18:02:38 < Taxman> zyp: Digikey shipped me rev Y of F429, although i wrote to them to check for rev 3. but after one more try i got my money back
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2015-11-27T18:02:51 < MightyPork> it supports f303
2015-11-27T18:02:56 < MightyPork> just not with the nucleo board
2015-11-27T18:03:06 < MightyPork> f303RE. works with f303VC on Discovery
2015-11-27T18:03:16 < ReadError> huh
2015-11-27T18:03:20 < ReadError> ofc it works with that
2015-11-27T18:03:52 < ReadError> use updated stlink, openocd works also
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2015-11-27T18:04:17 < zyp> Taxman, yeah, I got my money back as well
2015-11-27T18:04:42 < zyp> MightyPork, IIRC there's significant differences between C and E
2015-11-27T18:05:25 < MightyPork> Oh, it's okay now. I've re-built st-flash from git and it's working
2015-11-27T18:05:45 < MightyPork> zyp Know what those are, apart from the memory size?
2015-11-27T18:06:02 < MightyPork> I'm trying to move from C to E..
2015-11-27T18:06:07 < ReadError> i had some issue w/ usb on the E
2015-11-27T18:06:12 < ReadError> which worked fine on C
2015-11-27T18:06:16 < zyp> I don't have an exhaustive list, but IIRC the USB packet memory is mapped completely different
2015-11-27T18:06:27 < ReadError> ^
2015-11-27T18:06:30 < zyp> so USB code is not compatible between them without changes
2015-11-27T18:07:10 < zyp> one of them got the newer layout that F0 and L0 is also using
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2015-11-27T18:07:19 < zyp> and the other is using the old layout from F1
2015-11-27T18:07:21 < zyp> and L1
2015-11-27T18:07:25 < MightyPork> hum. Not cool, but ultimately I can just use USART. I had USB only for CDC ACM
2015-11-27T18:07:39 < zyp> I suspect maybe it got the new USB core as well, but I don't know
2015-11-27T18:08:05 < Taxman> zyp: How good is your ST FAE contact?
2015-11-27T18:08:12 < zyp> ST FAE?
2015-11-27T18:08:33 < Taxman> Field and application engineer from st
2015-11-27T18:08:46 < zyp> I don't have one :)
2015-11-27T18:08:50 < Taxman> ok.
2015-11-27T18:08:59 < Taxman> i have one but it is not working too good.
2015-11-27T18:09:08 < zyp> haha
2015-11-27T18:09:35 < Taxman> really. he promised me to send chips but he did not.
2015-11-27T18:09:47 < Taxman> then i met him at a exhibition and he said sorry.
2015-11-27T18:10:44 < zyp> I'm pretty sure I'm too small a customer for ST to care about me in any way :)
2015-11-27T18:10:50 < Taxman> so i sent him an email again about sending me a few rev 3 chips and he failed again
2015-11-27T18:11:02 < MightyPork> hmmm either my application ceased to work on the Nucleo, or the stlink-integrated virtual comport is broken...
2015-11-27T18:11:07 < Taxman> zyp: My engineering office is a one man show
2015-11-27T18:11:28 < zyp> I'm mostly into this for hobby stuff
2015-11-27T18:11:42 < zyp> although I've done a couple of paid projects as well
2015-11-27T18:11:45 < Taxman> don't say this to him
2015-11-27T18:12:20 < zyp> well, so far, the volume of my hobby stuff is probably around 20 times that of my paid projects
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2015-11-27T18:13:09 < zyp> overall I'm probably getting close to having purchased 1k stm32 chips total
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2015-11-27T18:14:19 < Taxman> :)
2015-11-27T18:14:43 < Taxman> electronics is no longer my hobby... it is my business
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2015-11-27T18:23:38 < MightyPork> so anyone here who owns the Nucleo-F303RE? I got the flash to work, but the comport does not
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2015-11-27T18:40:12 < kakimir> Taxman: how it is going? and did it ruin electronics as a hobby?
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2015-11-27T18:41:08 < Taxman> i am now a bit more than two years self employed. it is still hard work
2015-11-27T18:41:31 < Taxman> well, life is fluid. i have now other things that give me more fulfillment... as hobbies
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2015-11-27T18:44:40 < MightyPork> (to put it another way, anyone know how to use the stlink-2-1 embedded virtual-comport~usart bridge?)
2015-11-27T18:44:55 < Taxman> cu later
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2015-11-27T18:49:28 < karlp> MightyPork: you get thhe port showing up as a serial por ton your system?
2015-11-27T18:49:53 < karlp> now go and check the nucleo schematic and user manual to make sure you don't need to switch any jumpers to connect the uart you think you're using to those pins
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2015-11-27T18:50:34 < MightyPork> karlp: the port is connected fine, but it's deaf and silent
2015-11-27T18:50:47 < MightyPork> I tried re-mapping the usart to different pins and it's working okay
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2015-11-27T18:51:27 < MightyPork> they say it's connected by default because of mbed
2015-11-27T18:51:33 < MightyPork> and the solder bridges are indeed connected
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2015-11-27T18:53:32 < MightyPork> I have /dev/ttyACM0, that much is working.
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2015-11-27T19:19:07 < kakimir> I think I need new lab power supply
2015-11-27T19:19:47 < kakimir> recommends
2015-11-27T19:20:03 < kakimir> of course inexpensiveness is important
2015-11-27T19:20:42 < karlp> kakimir: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2015/06/02/atx-bench-power-supply-2/
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2015-11-27T19:21:08 < kakimir> nice
2015-11-27T19:21:18 < kakimir> I think I buy a few
2015-11-27T19:24:07 < kakimir> and they don't deliver that nice plastic cover
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2015-11-27T19:25:31 < kakimir> oh there is
2015-11-27T19:26:13 < karlp> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/11/10/building-a-better-breakout-board-for-atx-psus/ for an improved version with usb charging stuff...
2015-11-27T19:26:43 < kakimir> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/ATX-Breakout-Board-V11-Acrylic-Case-V1-DP10080-p-1288.html?cPath=55_60
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2015-11-27T19:27:55 < kakimir> there is no use if you can't buy it
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2015-11-27T19:30:08 < karlp> build your own tools!
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2015-11-27T19:30:24  * karlp shrugs  people seem pretty happy with their riglol dp8 somerewrasedlfka 
2015-11-27T19:30:40 < karlp> I think even dongs and r2com agrred on that one, so that must be epiclly cool
2015-11-27T19:33:40 < ReadMobl> 832?
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2015-11-27T19:35:32 < kakimir> karlp: dont have time for that
2015-11-27T19:35:35 < kakimir> or moneys
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2015-11-27T19:41:25 < ReadError> ya 832 is nice, i like mine
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2015-11-27T19:42:37 < kakimir> would be
2015-11-27T19:42:45 < ReadError> actually got it a year ago today, adafruit black friday sale
2015-11-27T19:43:10 < kakimir> god damn what I fail when I used my hp/agilent as a battery charger
2015-11-27T19:43:19 < kakimir> *a fail
2015-11-27T19:43:28 < kakimir> fried the thing
2015-11-27T19:44:03 < kakimir> some card has smas to it
2015-11-27T19:44:19 < kakimir> fpga card?
2015-11-27T19:44:58 < ReadError> looks like dvi port
2015-11-27T19:49:49 < ReadError> got 15% off
2015-11-27T19:49:53 < ReadError> and some free arduinos
2015-11-27T19:49:57 < ReadError> and other shit
2015-11-27T19:50:03 < ReadError> adafruit blackfriday last year
2015-11-27T19:50:46 < ReadError> Adafruit is still gifting out free items in orders as well! As of October 13th, 2015 2:00 PM ET we are currently offering a FREE Adafruit Perma-Proto Half-sized Breadboard PCB for orders $100 or more, a FREE Adafruit Trinket – Mini Microcontroller – 5V Logic for orders $150 or more, FREE UPS ground (Continental USA) for orders $200 or more, and FREE Adafruit Pro Trinket – 5V 16MHz for
2015-11-27T19:50:46 < ReadError> orders $250 or more. Some restrictions apply.
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2015-11-27T20:01:46 < karlp> that 832 is bigger htan I though
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2015-11-27T20:06:14 < kakimir> at this moment I'm looking more chinese solutions
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2015-11-27T20:19:32 < ReadError> the 3 output is nice
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2015-11-27T20:38:09 < englishman> why would you even consider buying an atx breakout board
2015-11-27T20:38:22 < englishman> i used a cd jewel case and soldered to some bolts to make standoffs
2015-11-27T20:39:34 < englishman> atx supply is 4 output!!! counting -12v
2015-11-27T20:43:32 < karlp> some people like the button, and fuse holders and leds and nice terminals?
2015-11-27T20:44:01 < karlp> and not having to fucking look up what way around the shit is to get the right connections?
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2015-11-27T20:47:40 < englishman> dongs
2015-11-27T20:47:40 < englishman> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34926371
2015-11-27T20:47:41 < englishman> seen?
2015-11-27T20:47:43 < englishman> theres a chart
2015-11-27T20:47:55 < englishman> i dont see anything about yachts/estate so probably fake
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2015-11-27T20:50:42 < englishman> biggest pix of pi chart is like 600x400 lol
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2015-11-27T20:51:43 < englishman> During the Kickstarter campaign certain upgrades were suggested, agreed and then implemented to the design.
2015-11-27T20:51:43 < englishman> These upgrades represented technical challenges which added to an already complicated project.
2015-11-27T20:51:43 < englishman> Ultimately these upgrades coupled with delays caused by the creation of a bespoke and automatic testing rig had significant financial and timeline impacts upon the project.
2015-11-27T20:51:51 < englishman> blaming their fail on kickstarter backers
2015-11-27T20:55:44 < Rob235> why is this such a big deal? its a kickstarter, of course there is a chance it will fail. you take a risk backing a kickstarter, deal with the consequences.
2015-11-27T21:06:10 < __rob> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34942685
2015-11-27T21:06:12 < __rob> pretty cool
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2015-11-27T21:09:48 < upgrdman_> with altium, how do i print out a pcb symbol at true size? while i click 100% in print preview, it fills the entire page.
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2015-11-27T21:25:36 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/rUBHk0Ml.jpg
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2015-11-27T21:31:13 < kakimir> :P
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2015-11-27T21:31:26 < kakimir> I need to feed the cows now
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2015-11-27T21:38:54 < PaulFertser> For the reference: http://www.wikihow.com/Artificially-Inseminate-Cows-and-Heifers
2015-11-27T21:40:10 < PaulFertser> Not that straightforward as one might expect!
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2015-11-27T21:44:02 < kakimir> your dream job
2015-11-27T21:48:22 < upgrdman_> so why dont they let the cows fuck?
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2015-11-27T21:54:42 < englishman> bull sperm usually comes from a specific breeder
2015-11-27T21:54:48 < englishman> also its hard and dangerous for all parties involved
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2015-11-27T22:00:20 < kakimir> because it's industry
2015-11-27T22:00:35 < kakimir> everything is managed and controlled
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2015-11-27T23:51:07 < karlp> bloody LED bulb from ikea has started flickering.
2015-11-27T23:51:36 < karlp> I'm going to assume that it's died a preumature death because the light fitting it was in, being old and archaic, didn't allow for adequate ventilation?
2015-11-27T23:52:15 < GargantuaSauce> maybe it's a cheap piece of shit that uses the led for rectification
2015-11-27T23:53:56 < karlp> well, I was hoping that buying the ikea one would get ones they had selected as not being super shitty.
2015-11-27T23:54:04 < karlp> it certainly wasn't as cheap as a chine bulb
2015-11-27T23:54:15 < karlp> I though tthis was the future!
2015-11-27T23:59:33 < kakimir> guys I need some popular uart pinout 1x6 or 2x3
2015-11-27T23:59:38 < kakimir> with flow control signals
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2015-11-28T00:00:02 < kakimir> for my uart-rs232 second revision
2015-11-28T00:00:30 < zyp> led bulbs flickering is usually due to electrolytic caps dying causing increased ripple, I believe
2015-11-28T00:00:40 < karlp> does digilent pmod have full modem signals?
2015-11-28T00:00:52 < zyp> what is full modem signals?
2015-11-28T00:00:58 < karlp> kakimir: if you want to copy 1x6, the classic arduino ftdi pin header is probably neoguh
2015-11-28T00:01:02 < karlp> well, "partially full"
2015-11-28T00:01:04 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.opal-rt.com/sites/default/files/Serial%20Header%20Pinout.jpg
2015-11-28T00:01:05 < kakimir> https://www.gearmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GM-TTL5VT-UART-Pinout.jpg ?
2015-11-28T00:01:05 < karlp> including rts/cts
2015-11-28T00:01:35 < zyp> isn't PMOD just a six pin header with four configurable lines, vcc and gnd?
2015-11-28T00:01:42 < zyp> or 2x6 in some configurations
2015-11-28T00:02:03 < karlp> kakimir: that gearmo one is really commonly used yeah.
2015-11-28T00:02:27 < karlp> even emeb used that pinout on his f030 friend thing iirc
2015-11-28T00:02:43 < kakimir> i have room for maybe even 2 pinouts
2015-11-28T00:03:19 < karlp> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32fiend/index.html
2015-11-28T00:04:00 < karlp> zyp: caps die from the heat though right? they're not exactly replaceable anyway, I can't see any way into this device without a hacksaw
2015-11-28T00:04:26 < zyp> I guess excessive heat would cause them to dry out faster, yes
2015-11-28T00:05:07 < karlp> that stm32fiend board is neat
2015-11-28T00:05:08 < karlp> nice layout
2015-11-28T00:05:37 < zyp> it looks kinda big
2015-11-28T00:05:44 < zyp> :)
2015-11-28T00:06:15 < zyp> of course, that's to make room for the side headers
2015-11-28T00:07:29 < karlp> huh, didn't know it was four layer.
2015-11-28T00:07:40 < zyp> really?
2015-11-28T00:07:53 < zyp> doesn't look complex enough to require that
2015-11-28T00:08:03 < karlp> well, osh link says it's four layer
2015-11-28T00:08:10 < upgrdman> why did i wait so long to learn altium. so much nicer than gEDA.
2015-11-28T00:08:21 < zyp> because geda is cheaper? :p
2015-11-28T00:08:31 < upgrdman> ya i guess :)
2015-11-28T00:08:42 < upgrdman> my employer paid for altium tho, so it "free" to me
2015-11-28T00:09:31 < aandrew> lol "because geda is cheaper"
2015-11-28T00:09:58 < kakimir> is beagleboard emeb's production?
2015-11-28T00:10:39 < upgrdman> just orders some mitutoyo calipers. tired of using shit tools.
2015-11-28T00:11:34 < zyp> hmm, that so20 looks kinda big
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2015-11-28T00:14:06 < zyp> I mean, the squareness of the footprint makes it look big, apparently it's only 7x7, whereas qfp48 is almost 10x10
2015-11-28T00:16:00 < karlp> went and sent a compalin to ikea, see whathappens.
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2015-11-28T00:17:37 < emeb> kakimir: I've got nothing to do with beagleboard production.
2015-11-28T00:17:51 < emeb> I've got a few of them from years back. Don't do much with them.
2015-11-28T00:18:20 < kakimir> ooh
2015-11-28T00:21:36 < kakimir> your page makes it look like you have done all things in the list ;)
2015-11-28T00:22:06 < zyp> nah, you just lack reading comprehension
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2015-11-28T00:26:05 < upgrdman> pin spacing on an esp12e is 1.966mm ... wtf?! it's not a clean metric or imperial number.
2015-11-28T00:27:06 < englishman> wat
2015-11-28T00:27:15 < upgrdman> http://s17.postimg.org/jfk189ddr/ESp_12_E.png
2015-11-28T00:27:29 < englishman> lol
2015-11-28T00:27:43 < kakimir> that is what you get dealing with dirt
2015-11-28T00:27:44 < englishman> probably rounding error from inferior units
2015-11-28T00:30:32 < karlp> upgrdman: 2mm headers fit in the 12e I got, and the other foot prints I've seen have all said 2mm
2015-11-28T00:30:53 < upgrdman> orly? cool.
2015-11-28T00:31:13 < karlp> also, what calipers have you got that you hate so much you want to buy fancy ones?
2015-11-28T00:31:56 < upgrdman> harbor freight trash. precision and accuracy is fine, but the battery die quick. when theyre off they still draw a fuckton of power
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2015-11-28T00:32:25 < upgrdman> also, amazon prime for the way. getting same day delivery.
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2015-11-28T00:32:32 < upgrdman> i should have them by sun down.
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2015-11-28T00:33:40 < upgrdman> s/way/win
2015-11-28T00:34:15 < karlp> ah, I have some dx/tmart/somewhere ones, but I hardly ever user them, and haven't noticed the batteries being flat yet.
2015-11-28T00:34:17 < Taxman> re
2015-11-28T00:34:48 < Sync> it is true, the damn mitu ones are the only ones that are worth their money
2015-11-28T00:35:27 < upgrdman> i use mitu at work. ya, theyre nice.
2015-11-28T00:36:23 < Sync> got a few of them
2015-11-28T00:36:45 < englishman> i use RCBS
2015-11-28T00:36:56 < englishman> good enough for ammo, good enough for me
2015-11-28T00:37:10 < upgrdman> we have a huge fucking one from mitu, i think its like 20 inches? probably cost a billion dollars.
2015-11-28T00:42:50 < ReadError> the iGaging ones are pretty solid
2015-11-28T00:42:53 < ReadError> for the price
2015-11-28T00:43:05 < ReadError> some guy did a review of a bunch, ended up getting 3 pairs
2015-11-28T00:50:03 < GargantuaSauce> $10 china special here
2015-11-28T00:50:14 < GargantuaSauce> very good random number generator
2015-11-28T00:50:20 < upgrdman> heh
2015-11-28T00:54:05 < upgrdman> my $5 plastic calipers from HF are literally a RNG if you move the slide fast. it freak out and just reports random shit.
2015-11-28T00:54:19 < upgrdman> for my $10 HF ones arent bad except for the battery issue
2015-11-28T00:55:31 < zyp> I have some that I got from my dad once, but the batteries were dead and I've never replaced them
2015-11-28T00:56:10 < zyp> every time I've needed it, I've been too busy to run to the store for new batteries
2015-11-28T01:04:09 < celeron55> i use a non-battery-powered mitutoyo; i don't really understand why i would want a battery in one
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2015-11-28T01:10:41 < upgrdman> karlp, to work with an esp12e, what needs to be wired up? 3v3, gnd, tx, rx? anything else? do reset and enable need to be used?
2015-11-28T01:11:52 < upgrdman> wtf  http://www.krdo.com/news/breaking-active-shooter-reported-at-planned-parenthood/36684340
2015-11-28T01:12:42 < GargantuaSauce> enable is part of the spi interface
2015-11-28T01:13:26 < zyp> upgrdman, I think it's called late abortion
2015-11-28T01:20:44 < upgrdman> "i support abortion up to the fourth trimester"
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2015-11-28T01:26:37 < Laurenceb> retroactive abortion
2015-11-28T01:38:40 < upgrdman> any altium pros awake?
2015-11-28T01:39:19 < zyp> sup?
2015-11-28T01:40:45 < zyp> karlp, still amused by your import charges
2015-11-28T01:42:21 < zyp> over here, all the rage nowadays are DHL «estimating» silly high shipping prices and adding it to the declared value
2015-11-28T01:42:50 < zyp> happened to me once, ordered some stuff for $150, shipping included
2015-11-28T01:43:26 < upgrdman> zyp, im making pcb footprints. how do i print them to scale so i can double check them? when i do print preview, if i click 100% it just scales the footprint to the entire size of the page.
2015-11-28T01:43:35 < zyp> dhl somehow estimated it would cost $75 or something to ship, added that to the declared $150 and calculated 25% of the resulting $225
2015-11-28T01:44:03 < zyp> upgrdman, dunno, never done… oh wait
2015-11-28T01:44:23 < zyp> there's somewhere you can edit print templates
2015-11-28T01:44:39 < ReadError> ive done it
2015-11-28T01:44:43 < ReadError> using pdf
2015-11-28T01:45:11 < zyp> I haven't printed footprints, but I've printed board layouts, top and bottom sides with the colors from the 3D view
2015-11-28T01:45:14 < zyp> to scale
2015-11-28T01:45:29 < ReadError> i remember having to change some settings though
2015-11-28T01:45:38 < ReadError> otherwise it was entire paper size
2015-11-28T01:47:08 < ReadError> oh wait
2015-11-28T01:47:14 < ReadError> send it to 'printer'
2015-11-28T01:47:16 < zyp> norway used to have a customs exempt for anything costing less than 200 NOK before shipping, but this year they changed the limit to 350 NOK including shipping
2015-11-28T01:47:25 < ReadError> pdf was fullsize, send to printer was actual
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2015-11-28T01:48:50 < zyp> so there's a huge amount of complaints now about people ordering stuff that comes to less than 350 NOK including shipping, and then DHL invents a much higher shipping cost, collects tax for all that, and their ~200 NOK handling fee for doing this for you, easily doubling the total cost of shit you order
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2015-11-28T01:51:54 < ReadError> damn thats about $23 for HANDLING?
2015-11-28T01:52:41 < zyp> might be less, idk
2015-11-28T01:52:48 < ReadError> so if you order something that cost $25 you pay taxes and then handling?
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2015-11-28T01:53:20 < zyp> no, $25 is below the exempt limit
2015-11-28T01:53:32 < ReadError> well at 200 NOK
2015-11-28T01:53:34 < BrainDamage> the instant a package goes trough customs trough an express courier here, you'll get 15€ surcharge
2015-11-28T01:53:55 < ReadError> anything outside of the EU?
2015-11-28T01:54:08 < zyp> most shipping agents charges a fee to handle customs processing here
2015-11-28T01:54:15 < ReadError> oh norway isnt a member
2015-11-28T01:54:20 < zyp> norway is not part of EU, so anything has to clear customs
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2015-11-28T01:55:20 < ReadError> either the NOK has dropped quite a bit over the past few years or the USD got stronger
2015-11-28T01:55:24 < BrainDamage> and the item value would have to be 2€ for not reaching customs treshold :/
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2015-11-28T01:56:13 < zyp> ReadError, yeah, it has
2015-11-28T01:56:26 < BrainDamage> the USD got stronger, it's annoying for the euro too
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2015-11-28T01:56:32 < BrainDamage> 4-5 years ago i could pay 2/3 of usd price in €
2015-11-28T01:56:38 < BrainDamage> nowdays it's almost 1:!
2015-11-28T01:56:40 < BrainDamage> 1:1
2015-11-28T01:56:41 < zyp> used to be 6 NOK per USD, now it's over 8
2015-11-28T01:56:52 < ReadError> BrainDamage yea damn close, 1:1.06 the other day
2015-11-28T01:56:55 < zyp> before the financial crisis in 2008 it was below 5
2015-11-28T01:56:57 < ReadError> i remember it was much more
2015-11-28T01:57:26 < zyp> I think right now NOK is both weak and USD is strong
2015-11-28T01:57:43 < zyp> because EUR and GBP also got more expensive for me
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2015-11-28T01:58:10 < zyp> used to be 8 and 10 respectively, now they are 9 and 13
2015-11-28T01:59:25 < zyp> it's not all bad for me though
2015-11-28T01:59:49 < zyp> I priced this hobby shit I'm selling in USD, so when the USD rises, my hobby profits does too
2015-11-28T02:00:31 < ReadError> selling anything fun?
2015-11-28T02:00:34 < zyp> I think I might have earned more USD than I've spent this year
2015-11-28T02:00:50 < zyp> hid usb adapters
2015-11-28T02:00:58 < zyp> for arcade shit
2015-11-28T02:01:06 < zyp> or arcade-like shit rather
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2015-11-28T02:01:18 < ReadError> oh nice, know a few people that mess with that
2015-11-28T02:01:39 < zyp> if I'm counting correctly, I've almost sold 600 now
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2015-11-28T02:02:22 < ReadError> have you look in to amazon fulfillment?
2015-11-28T02:02:45 < ReadError> could probably even sell more
2015-11-28T02:02:51 < zyp> I don't think that's available to me, as a norwegian
2015-11-28T02:03:04 < ReadError> big market in that it seems from what people have been doing
2015-11-28T02:03:23 < ReadError> building out the custom controllers and enclosures
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2015-11-28T02:04:11 < zyp> mine was originally intended for a direct swap in a chinese controller
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2015-11-28T02:05:22 < Getty> BrainDamage: the damage is intense
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2015-11-28T02:05:43 < Getty> BrainDamage: america did great work economical to fuck around with us, best was moving us to allow ukraine to happen
2015-11-28T02:07:17 < Getty> but as someone getting paid in dollars............. i am fine :-)
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2015-11-28T02:24:40 < karlp> zyp: urgh, that sort of estimated shit would piss me off.  amazon is doing that to me, so I'm not even ordering there.  no guarantees I'll get any o fthe money back from their "pay more to make sure yo uwon't pay any more than this!"
2015-11-28T02:25:43 < zyp> wat?
2015-11-28T02:27:07 < karlp> oh, amazon international orders I tried recently were like, "we're going to charge you this much for shipping, to include possible customs clearing charges.  if it turns out to be less than this, we'll give you some back!"
2015-11-28T02:27:19 < karlp> I'd rather they not do that, and leave customs charges to me to pay the real ones.
2015-11-28T02:27:38 < karlp> because, as with dhl for you, I fully expect someone locally to charge me aagain anyway, no matter what amazon claimed
2015-11-28T02:27:52 < zyp> well, it varies
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2015-11-28T02:28:18 < zyp> for EMS, customs handling is included in the shipping price, so anything EMS is guaranteed no handling fee surcharge
2015-11-28T02:28:22 < zyp> only the actual VAT
2015-11-28T02:28:57 < karlp> I can't even rely on the iceland fedex agent not double dipping on fedex parcels.
2015-11-28T02:29:15 < karlp> and I can't ever control the shippers agent anyway.
2015-11-28T02:29:45 < karlp> got some china stuff the other day, came registered post. probably great generally, more "secure" but meant that I had to go pick it up and pay handling.
2015-11-28T02:29:50 < karlp> fuck knows.
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2015-11-28T02:31:13 < zyp> yeah, that registered thing is weird
2015-11-28T02:31:35 < zyp> registered mail means that you have to show ID and shit
2015-11-28T02:32:03 < karlp> check out this awesome invoice that customs just accepted withotu question though: http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/totes-believeable.pdf
2015-11-28T02:32:04 < zyp> normal packages that you have to go pick up, you don't have to show ID for, just sign
2015-11-28T02:32:18 < zyp> haha, wat
2015-11-28T02:32:40 < zyp> hey, now I know where you live
2015-11-28T02:32:44 < zyp> when can I come visit?
2015-11-28T02:32:51 < karlp> it's pretty much going to make up for having to pay full VAT on the smartscope prize I won
2015-11-28T02:33:03 < karlp> yeah, you knew my name already, and you could have found out easily enough :)
2015-11-28T02:33:09 < karlp> whenever you want pretty much
2015-11-28T02:33:21 < zyp> does «Ranargata» means «robber street» in icelandish as well?
2015-11-28T02:33:46 < karlp> rán does mean rob, but in this declension it's one of the words for wave.
2015-11-28T02:34:09 < karlp> I think ranagata would be robbery street but ranargata isn't.
2015-11-28T02:34:15 < zyp> :)
2015-11-28T02:34:20 < karlp> I always call it robbery street anyway.
2015-11-28T02:34:23 < karlp> stupid icelandic grammar
2015-11-28T02:34:32 < zyp> haha
2015-11-28T02:34:40 < karlp> the next streets are also different words for wave-street.
2015-11-28T02:35:47 < karlp> any ofyou other weirdos are welcome to visit too, if you knock on my window and scream something obscene about arduzanos I'll invite you in for a beer
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2015-11-28T02:36:19 < zyp> I'll keep it in mind, should I somehow find myself in iceland some day
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2015-11-28T02:47:54 < upgrdman> if anyone is curious what kind of encoder a plastic caliper uses:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/plastic_caliper_sensor.jpg
2015-11-28T02:49:12 < karlp> is that the harbour freight one you were bitching about?
2015-11-28T02:49:35 < upgrdman> one of them. it was the $5. the $10 is better. much better.
2015-11-28T02:51:41 < upgrdman> yay my mitutoyo is on the truck to be delivered.
2015-11-28T02:51:55 < karlp> how much are they then?
2015-11-28T02:53:02 < upgrdman> the mitu?
2015-11-28T02:53:20 < upgrdman> $117 shipped (same day delivery)
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2015-11-28T02:57:16 < Sync> upgrdman: the same idea as the mitu
2015-11-28T02:57:32 < upgrdman> ya but the mechanics of a mitu are leaps ahead
2015-11-28T02:57:39 < Sync> there are also amaze 19bit absolute encoders made like that
2015-11-28T02:58:16 < upgrdman> 19bit cap sense?
2015-11-28T02:58:41 < Sync> ye
2015-11-28T02:58:45 < Sync> they even do 22bit on request
2015-11-28T02:58:59 < upgrdman> very wow
2015-11-28T03:01:14 < karlp> so, with such coarse divisions, is that sensing the difference in capacitance sort of thing?
2015-11-28T03:01:19 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/DI2bC8z
2015-11-28T03:02:54 < upgrdman> no idea
2015-11-28T03:03:04 < Sync> they probably have two read heads
2015-11-28T03:03:18 < Sync> so they get a sine and a cosine with capacitance values
2015-11-28T03:03:25 < Sync> and thus can interpolate a position in the cycle
2015-11-28T03:07:21 < Laurenceb> using metal grooves?
2015-11-28T03:07:33 < Sync> they measure the capacitance
2015-11-28T03:07:57 < Laurenceb> no shit sherlock
2015-11-28T03:08:07 < Laurenceb> but what electrode material?
2015-11-28T03:09:39 < upgrdman> looks like they use a fuck ton of pads to sense position
2015-11-28T03:09:42 < upgrdman> uploading pic
2015-11-28T03:13:02 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/plastic_caliper_sensor2.jpg
2015-11-28T03:13:22 < upgrdman> jap machinist ruler just used for scale
2015-11-28T03:14:48 < Sync> ah one of those penguin ones
2015-11-28T03:14:54 < Sync> I have one of those too
2015-11-28T03:14:55 < upgrdman> pcb is COB + two 0603 caps + 3 pushbuttons. nothing else.
2015-11-28T03:16:06 < zyp> hmm, the one I have is würth branded
2015-11-28T03:16:29 < upgrdman> is it wurthless?
2015-11-28T03:16:53 < zyp> http://www.shopwurthusa.com/wurthstorefront/Tools/Hand-Tools/Measuring-Tools/Digital-Caliper-6-Inch-(0-150MM)/p/07157619 <- looks like this thing
2015-11-28T03:17:01 < zyp> except all the buttons are red on the one I have
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2015-11-28T03:28:23 < mtbg> hi
2015-11-28T03:40:36 < dongs> dongs
2015-11-28T03:43:06 < upgrdman> sup
2015-11-28T03:48:48 < dongs> just woke up
2015-11-28T03:48:52 < dongs> assburgering
2015-11-28T03:52:24 < scrts> sup lads?
2015-11-28T03:52:41 < scrts> anyone here from US?
2015-11-28T03:52:55 < scrts> I wonder how long does it take for China crap to be posted to the US?
2015-11-28T03:54:08 < dongs> depends how they sent it
2015-11-28T03:54:34 < scrts> e.g. regular mail
2015-11-28T03:54:42 < dongs> ~2 weeks
2015-11-28T03:54:44 < scrts> that usually comes with free shipping
2015-11-28T03:54:53 < scrts> ah that's fast
2015-11-28T03:57:31 < upgrdman> scrts, im in so cal. shit from china ranges from 2 days to 7 weeks. usually 10 days.
2015-11-28T03:58:10 < scrts> if it would be 4 weeks+, I'd consider it lost.
2015-11-28T03:59:14 < englishman> nah can easily take 10 weeks
2015-11-28T03:59:25 < englishman> especially last year when hk sealed their borders
2015-11-28T04:02:46 < upgrdman> http://coub.com/view/8iklf.gifv
2015-11-28T04:03:08 < dongs> typical cofee drinker
2015-11-28T04:04:00 < englishman> can gifs get any older? follow upgrdman in ##stm32 to find out
2015-11-28T04:04:12 < upgrdman> :)
2015-11-28T04:04:42 < dongs> its like when you take a .webm
2015-11-28T04:04:46 < dongs> convert to actual .gif
2015-11-28T04:04:50 < dongs> (and lose colors)
2015-11-28T04:04:57 < dongs> then take it and convert back to mp4/webm
2015-11-28T04:05:03 < dongs> then it gets posted by upgrdman
2015-11-28T04:05:15 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/8ke48X7
2015-11-28T04:05:21 < englishman> and use zano to record the giff off a crt monitor
2015-11-28T04:05:30 < dongs> upgrdman: is that vietnamese dongs
2015-11-28T04:05:45 < dongs> cuz 100VND is like 0.000000005 $
2015-11-28T04:06:00 < englishman> dongs did you see ZANONEWS there was an official torquing statement
2015-11-28T04:06:04 < englishman> on where the money went
2015-11-28T04:06:09 < dongs> you mean that pie chart?
2015-11-28T04:06:11 < englishman> ya
2015-11-28T04:06:16 < dongs> that showed they blew 1mil on PIC32?
2015-11-28T04:06:22 < englishman> and blaming money loss on the backers
2015-11-28T04:06:26 < upgrdman> dongs, looks like .cn money  http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JU029_100yua_NS_20150810063125.jpg
2015-11-28T04:06:29 < englishman> for requesting too many featyes
2015-11-28T04:06:31 < englishman> features
2015-11-28T04:06:43 < upgrdman> i have like 10 of those 100yuan notes in my wallet right now. lol.
2015-11-28T04:07:13 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: ok, so rich chinese buying chinese made stuff based on italian designs in OC malls?
2015-11-28T04:07:15 < upgrdman> but it looks like that girl has about $400 in china money. not that much
2015-11-28T04:07:45 < englishman> does OC mean something other than original content
2015-11-28T04:07:46 < Roklobsta> which country has the 'dong' as currency?
2015-11-28T04:07:57 < Roklobsta> i assumed orange county
2015-11-28T04:07:58 < dongs> Roklobsta: vientam
2015-11-28T04:08:02 < dongs> o
2015-11-28T04:08:10 < upgrdman> englishman, orange county. the "other" noteworthy county is calif, next to los angeles
2015-11-28T04:08:21 < englishman> sounds like a shithole
2015-11-28T04:08:23 < upgrdman> s/is/in
2015-11-28T04:08:34 < upgrdman> i like OC more than LA
2015-11-28T04:08:40 < upgrdman> grew up there
2015-11-28T04:08:49 < upgrdman> it USED to be covered in orange groves (trees)
2015-11-28T04:08:52 < Roklobsta> yeah there was a long running documentary about it called "The OC" about 10 years ago.
2015-11-28T04:08:55 < englishman> come at me russkie
2015-11-28T04:09:08 < englishman> careful not to trip over yo emoty vodka bottles
2015-11-28T04:09:10 < Roklobsta> now it's Disneyland and malls.
2015-11-28T04:10:10 < Roklobsta> fuck off.  aussies drink more.
2015-11-28T04:10:50 < upgrdman> typical jap   https://youtu.be/37mvflxEcfg?t=6
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2015-11-28T04:12:47 < Roklobsta> R2COM: nah, that getup is for the tourists.
2015-11-28T04:13:09 < Roklobsta> Samurai were emasculated by the west well before that pic was taken.
2015-11-28T04:13:36 < Roklobsta> Well, you end up like this https://youtu.be/37mvflxEcfg?t=6
2015-11-28T04:17:07 < upgrdman> http://gfycat.com/YoungElasticAfricanjacana
2015-11-28T04:17:41 < englishman> cute cat
2015-11-28T04:22:47 < Laurenceb> lol url
2015-11-28T04:23:02 < Laurenceb> expecting black goatse
2015-11-28T04:25:18 < Roklobsta> it was The Giver in a bag
2015-11-28T04:25:31 < upgrdman> ideal background image  http://i.imgur.com/4OqaLpe.jpg
2015-11-28T04:27:32 < Roklobsta> Laurenceb: yannow, there has been a lot of gotse homage, such as this.  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/04/bbc_olympics_cx/
2015-11-28T04:28:35 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/aA8IlZS
2015-11-28T04:29:06 < Roklobsta> https://images-ssl.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6875/6875358cv1a.jpg
2015-11-28T04:29:44 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: improved eh?  the old one had burrs evidently.
2015-11-28T04:30:33 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-28T04:31:36 < mtbg> what is the reason behind using that "dilators"?
2015-11-28T04:31:58 < Roklobsta> to see better in the dark?
2015-11-28T04:32:02 < Roklobsta> ah
2015-11-28T04:32:29 < Roklobsta> who knows, victoria doctors had all sorts of quackery.
2015-11-28T04:32:36 < Roklobsta> +n
2015-11-28T04:35:05 < mtbg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proctalgia_fugax
2015-11-28T04:35:08 < mtbg> maybe this
2015-11-28T04:35:22 < upgrdman> mtbg, to stretch out your butt hole
2015-11-28T04:35:28 < upgrdman> or vag
2015-11-28T04:36:33 < mtbg> yep, name and shape suggests so
2015-11-28T04:36:44 < Roklobsta> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginismus
2015-11-28T04:37:06 < mtbg> but my question was why one would need to use it
2015-11-28T04:37:27 < mtbg> these are not ordinary butt plugs, nor they are aesthetic in any way
2015-11-28T04:37:42 < Roklobsta> maybe so when you eat a peach you can pass the stone without too much trouble
2015-11-28T04:38:40 < upgrdman> mtbg, so my massive cock can fit in there?
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2015-11-28T05:00:02 < upgrdman> sweet "usb hub"  http://www.amazon.com/Quirky-Spacebar-Monitor-6-Port-PSPBP-WH01/dp/B00KJGYDAI/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1448679576&sr=8-25&keywords=usb+stand
2015-11-28T05:00:44 < upgrdman> or go full retard:  http://www.amazon.com/Satechi-Premium-Aluminum-Monitor-MacBook/dp/B00S5DXHGI/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1448679616&sr=8-32&keywords=usb+stand
2015-11-28T05:01:57 < Roklobsta> only $69.99 so cheap
2015-11-28T05:04:55 < Roklobsta> dongs: what's the best and worst thing you have designed that's made it to market.  By worst not your worst effort but worst design spec.
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2015-11-28T05:12:16 < dongs> Roklobsta: generally most of the stuff is pretty okay.
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2015-11-28T05:21:04 < scrts> chaps, anyone ever tried to outsource to freelance or so?
2015-11-28T05:21:12 < scrts> like some guy in India?
2015-11-28T05:31:33 < upgrdman> no
2015-11-28T05:32:25 < upgrdman> but it sounds like a shit idea unless you're a gaint company that can offer enough to make them perform.
2015-11-28T05:38:19 < upgrdman> needs more ESP8266's https://hackaday.com/2015/11/26/absurd-overuse-of-esp8266-in-a-clock/
2015-11-28T05:40:12 < scrts> hmm
2015-11-28T05:40:16 < scrts> I thought they're cheap:)
2015-11-28T05:42:22 < dongs> lol fucking microsoft
2015-11-28T05:43:44 < dongs> wow
2015-11-28T05:43:48 < dongs> why the fuck is there .ino file
2015-11-28T05:43:52 < dongs> in that esp1488 link
2015-11-28T05:44:00 < dongs> did they tarduinify that shit
2015-11-28T05:50:06 < upgrdman> hmm msp430 inside apple chargers
2015-11-28T05:50:08 < upgrdman> http://www.righto.com/2015/11/macbook-charger-teardown-surprising.html
2015-11-28T05:54:00 < PeterM> yeah theres way too much shit inside an apple charger
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2015-11-28T06:07:57 < upgrdman> and yet theyre smaller than the competition
2015-11-28T06:08:51 < dongs> does anyone even care
2015-11-28T06:09:09 < dongs> apple trash
2015-11-28T06:12:03 < upgrdman> i hate how most windows craptops use a wire -> brick -> wire psu. they should do it like apple... make the second wire optional. less mess for those time where you dont need to be 5 meters from the power outlet
2015-11-28T06:12:16 < upgrdman> *first wire
2015-11-28T06:13:24 < upgrdman> dongs, is there an easy way in altium pcb symbol designer to say "make this row of pads spaced so they're everyly spaced across x mm's?
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2015-11-28T06:16:02 < dongs> yes
2015-11-28T06:16:09 < dongs> there's align, and also array copy
2015-11-28T06:16:23 < englishman> dongs: yeah esp8266 is a tarduino target
2015-11-28T06:16:39 < dongs> awful
2015-11-28T06:16:47 < dongs> but i suppose better than atmega328
2015-11-28T06:17:38 < englishman> isnt it 8051 or something
2015-11-28T06:18:11 < dongs> no its some asic core, extensa or someshit
2015-11-28T06:18:19 < englishman> ah
2015-11-28T06:18:24 < dongs> with stolen gcc target support files
2015-11-28T06:18:29 < englishman> harvard risc
2015-11-28T06:18:31 < dongs> maybe it became more opensores recently i dunno
2015-11-28T06:23:13 < PeterM> upgrdman, i do agree with that - putting the wall socket pins directly on hte charger housing or as a swappable plug on the housing like a lot of itnernational adapters for apple products or other sc-dc converters do would be much niver for laptops. that and use of like... 20-30v charger votlage would be nice too, so oyu can have thinner cables and less care for contact resistance
2015-11-28T06:23:35 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-28T06:24:05 < PeterM> i mean the notebook already has a buck for charging hte battery and operatign the system off the charger, why not just extend its input range a bit
2015-11-28T06:24:31 < PeterM> or even just standardize the entire chatrger industry on like 24v
2015-11-28T06:24:45 < PeterM> because you know, that'd be smart or osmething
2015-11-28T06:27:43 < upgrdman> ya that'd be nice
2015-11-28T06:27:59 < upgrdman> kinda like how low power stuff is mostly micro usb these days
2015-11-28T06:28:37 < PeterM> yeah, there si a transition to usb type c though, which is jsut as nice
2015-11-28T06:29:15 < PeterM> i got a bunch of JAE usb type c sockets the other day, nice stuff
2015-11-28T06:37:54 < englishman> just have a single usb-c port like macbook. usb3 is 100W, thats enough for most laptops.
2015-11-28T06:38:11 < englishman> 20V@5A, neat.
2015-11-28T06:38:42 < englishman> um yes. like you just said.
2015-11-28T06:51:41 < PeterM> i think you want less than 30v so you can take advantage of all the high power 30v parts but you want as high as you can manage under 30v so you minimize losses in shitty cables and connectors
2015-11-28T06:51:59 < PeterM> because inevitably you're going o have to use a shitty cable at some point
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2015-11-28T07:04:21 < bloated> 5A ? through that tiny connector ?
2015-11-28T07:04:31 < bloated> doesn't make any sense. The connector will burn out in 10 insertions.
2015-11-28T07:05:52 < PeterM> uhh... no
2015-11-28T07:06:54 < bloated> yeah I was being overly optimistic.
2015-11-28T07:07:01 < bloated> will burn out in 3 insertions.
2015-11-28T07:08:28 < PeterM> because clearly micro usb connectors are busting into flames all over the place at 2.5A
2015-11-28T07:08:41 < englishman> theres 4 power pins, and the devices have to negotiate power over 2A@5V
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2015-11-28T07:09:22 < upgrdman> fuck. altium 16 is buggy as fuck
2015-11-28T07:09:43 < upgrdman> switching to 3d view for one of my pcb symbols seems to really piss it off
2015-11-28T07:10:13 < upgrdman> endless stream of error pop ups. only way to fix is to quickly switch tabs to another symbol, exit altium, then reopen.
2015-11-28T07:11:05 < PeterM> pcb symbols? are they like schematic footprints?
2015-11-28T07:11:16 < upgrdman> ya
2015-11-28T07:11:21 < upgrdman> dunno the proper name
2015-11-28T07:11:26 < upgrdman> footprint is prolly it
2015-11-28T07:14:42 < dongs> oops
2015-11-28T07:15:22 < dongs> PeterM: USB-C, are they all SMT?
2015-11-28T07:15:27 < dongs> or same like displayporn mixed through-hole shit
2015-11-28T07:15:36 < PeterM> they were boeard cut out smt ones i got
2015-11-28T07:16:17 < dongs> oh?
2015-11-28T07:18:38 < PeterM> will find link, chome just had a shitfit
2015-11-28T07:22:51 < dongs> its too fucking bad nobody uses minidisplayport
2015-11-28T07:25:21 < PeterM> http://www.jae.com/z-en/3D/3D_img/DX07B024JJ1.gif tyhis kind
2015-11-28T07:25:37 < dongs> how the fuck does reversible part of usb-c work
2015-11-28T07:25:46 < dongs> do you basically waste half hte pins for redundancy?
2015-11-28T07:25:47 < PeterM> contacts on both sides
2015-11-28T07:25:56 < dongs> yeah but how does that translate electrically
2015-11-28T07:26:03 < dongs> http://www.displayport.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/DP-Alt-Mode-Overview-for-VESA-v1.pdf
2015-11-28T07:26:06 < dongs> im looking at this thing
2015-11-28T07:26:12 < dongs> page 6
2015-11-28T07:26:24 < dongs> how can that work when its reversed, cuz TX1 becomes TX2, RX1, RX2 etc.
2015-11-28T07:26:34 < PeterM> you just mirror the electrical conenctions on oen side to the other so when you put the connector in the other way around it still lines up
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2015-11-28T07:26:45 < dongs> no, they haev unique names to them
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2015-11-28T07:29:04 < PeterM> since its jsut serial rx/tx probably handle it in software
2015-11-28T07:29:13 < bloated> but you can also see how the top row is the rotated bottom row.
2015-11-28T07:29:27 < bloated> so TX1, TX2 must be interchangeable
2015-11-28T07:29:39 < bloated> similarly RX1, RX2
2015-11-28T07:30:11 < dongs> PeterM: but does that mean I can have 4 lanes of RX/TX total
2015-11-28T07:30:17 < dongs> if I swap them in software etc
2015-11-28T07:30:25 < dongs> or is A2/B11 A3/B10 etc ties together?
2015-11-28T07:30:35 < dongs> or A2/B2 or whatever
2015-11-28T07:30:40 < bloated> its rotation not mirroring
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2015-11-28T07:31:04 < dongs> and?
2015-11-28T07:31:33 < dongs> does that mean i have 4 differential lanes
2015-11-28T07:31:35 < dongs> or only 2?
2015-11-28T07:31:37 < dongs> (usable)
2015-11-28T07:31:37 < englishman> isnt that what orientation detection is for
2015-11-28T07:31:37 < bloated> 4
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2015-11-28T07:32:00 < dongs> so software must swap the stuff as needed when cable is backwards?
2015-11-28T07:32:18 < englishman> >Device	with	receptacle	is	responsible	detec:ng	orienta:on	and	rou:ng	proper	
2015-11-28T07:32:18 < englishman> signals	to	receptacle	pins	as	needed		
2015-11-28T07:32:23 < englishman> y i k e s
2015-11-28T07:32:27 < dongs> nice copypaste
2015-11-28T07:32:31 < dongs> they musxt have used ghostscript
2015-11-28T07:32:34 < dongs> to generate that fucking pdf
2015-11-28T07:32:38 < dongs> opensores shitware
2015-11-28T07:32:40 < PeterM> thats nto that bad
2015-11-28T07:32:42 < dongs> would NEVER happen with closed sores
2015-11-28T07:32:52 < PeterM> i mean the detecting thing isnt that bad
2015-11-28T07:33:26 < bloated> (Mac OS X 10.9.4 Quartz PDFContext)
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2015-11-28T07:51:58 < upgrdman> Sync, you have mitu calipers right?
2015-11-28T07:52:16 < upgrdman> does your pair have a slight amount of up/down play in the moving jaw?
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2015-11-28T07:58:13 < jadew> upgrdman, if by slight you mean < 100 um, then I guess most have
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2015-11-28T07:59:25 < upgrdman> mine feel like .2mm
2015-11-28T07:59:31 < upgrdman> well look like it
2015-11-28T07:59:40 < jadew> yeah, that's too much
2015-11-28T07:59:52 < upgrdman> i have a pair of mitu's at work, i'll have to check them on monday
2015-11-28T08:02:39 < jadew> just consider that some of them have 10 um resolution
2015-11-28T08:03:24 < jadew> they'd be useless with 200 um resolution
2015-11-28T08:03:32 < dongs> Invitation to Ivan Reedman sent.
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2015-11-28T08:03:42 < dongs> I'd like to add you to my provessional network on Dicked-In.
2015-11-28T08:03:44 < dongs> -- Gary Niger
2015-11-28T08:04:13 < jadew> and by some, I mean some digital ones not some special kind of calipers
2015-11-28T08:04:48 < dongs> ohsix was just talking about calipers in the other cahnnel yesterday
2015-11-28T08:04:57 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__4304__HobbyKing_8482_Digital_Vernier_Calipers_150mm.html
2015-11-28T08:05:01 < dongs> i got these and they're amazing
2015-11-28T08:05:01 < dongs> !!
2015-11-28T08:05:07 < dongs> only problem is i gotta take hte battery out between uses
2015-11-28T08:05:16 < jadew> you know how once in a while a troll makes the news because the authorities figure out who he is?
2015-11-28T08:05:18 < dongs> cuz autopoweroff is busted and it'll drain it in a week
2015-11-28T08:05:32 < dongs> jadew: yea?!
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2015-11-28T08:05:41 < dongs> what illegal things have gary niger done?
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2015-11-28T08:06:19 < jadew> it's enough if that guy makes a complaint
2015-11-28T08:06:32 < dongs> oh no
2015-11-28T08:06:34 < jadew> "this guy has been harrasing me and my project"
2015-11-28T08:06:39 < jadew> "he's the reason I failed"
2015-11-28T08:06:41 < dongs> haha
2015-11-28T08:06:51 < dongs> thats gonna go real well in court
2015-11-28T08:07:03 < dongs> "I pissed away 2.3mil because of an internet troll"
2015-11-28T08:07:08 < jadew> still, I wonder if you're going to make the news one of these days
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2015-11-28T08:07:41 < jadew> "A japanese troll with a fake and racist linked in account..."
2015-11-28T08:08:07 < jadew> I can picture that news report :D
2015-11-28T08:08:34 < dongs> https://il.linkedin.com/in/gary-niger-77586252
2015-11-28T08:08:40 < dongs> does this profile look fake to you
2015-11-28T08:08:57 < dongs> if anything, its probly the most accurate description of me.
2015-11-28T08:08:59 < jadew> the picture is gon
2015-11-28T08:09:17 < jadew> gone
2015-11-28T08:10:28 < dongs> it was neve there
2015-11-28T08:10:37 < dongs> there's a bunch of fake gary nigers
2015-11-28T08:10:41 < dongs> with that dumb GNAA pic on them
2015-11-28T08:10:44 < dongs> thats not me .
2015-11-28T08:10:56 < upgrdman> jadew, ya mine have 10um resolution. and seem to be very repeatable, regardless of how i flex the moving jaw.
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2015-11-28T08:11:06 < dongs> wow has it really been 14 years and 3 months since wtc
2015-11-28T08:11:09 < dongs> nevar forget
2015-11-28T08:11:31 < upgrdman> in the promo video, mitu show it being resistant to oil and water on the slide. maybe this play is to accomodate this?
2015-11-28T08:15:53 < dongs> i better add photoshop to my skills
2015-11-28T08:16:55 < upgrdman> list ms paint on your resume / c.v.
2015-11-28T08:17:15 < dongs> its not there :(
2015-11-28T08:17:17 < dongs> i wonder if imgur is
2015-11-28T08:17:21 < dongs> nope
2015-11-28T08:17:26 < dongs> stranmge that github is
2015-11-28T08:17:30 < jadew> pretty sure you can add new stuff
2015-11-28T08:17:41 < jadew> you don't have to select something from the list
2015-11-28T08:17:44 < dongs> oh.
2015-11-28T08:17:46 < dongs> yeah that worked
2015-11-28T08:17:51 < dongs> mspaint.exe expert incoming
2015-11-28T08:21:15 < PeterM> IRC peon wrangler
2015-11-28T08:21:34 < PeterM> professional wallet inspector
2015-11-28T08:21:41 < PeterM> JAV talent scout
2015-11-28T08:22:05 < dongs> I try to keep my resume at least somewhat truthful, bro
2015-11-28T08:22:13 < dongs> don't need to make shit up
2015-11-28T08:22:34 < dongs> I could probly add "professional stoner" to the experience list tho.
2015-11-28T08:23:08 < PeterM> you gotta word it up a bit though, call it "Experienced enlightenment and inspiration specialist"
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2015-11-28T08:35:10 < dongs> https://youtu.be/1KcEqMCIn7c?t=45 hahahah the fucking dog
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2015-11-28T08:36:58 < PeterM> the dog is like " i qwanna ee but i dont want the rotor blades in me"
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2015-11-28T08:49:20 < PeterM> im sorry, what?
2015-11-28T08:49:42 < PeterM> well then do it in a fucking pm
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2015-11-28T08:55:25 < jadew> ?
2015-11-28T08:56:24 < bloated> flyback: is it true that you're DDoSing freenode ?
2015-11-28T08:56:37 < bloated> that's what dongs said
2015-11-28T08:57:41 < bloated> watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1WxTNjHvk
2015-11-28T08:58:09 < bloated> they're wrapping insulating tape on the wire for a motor winding by hand!
2015-11-28T08:59:12 < bloated> wind a 1000 turn toroid by hand
2015-11-28T08:59:21 < bloated> that's what I do when I need to get my mind off the pain
2015-11-28T09:00:06 < PeterM> its like the fishing of the leectronics world
2015-11-28T09:03:17 < bloated> buy a ticket to saudi arabia.
2015-11-28T09:03:21 < bloated> watch this live: https://www.rt.com/news/323615-saudi-arabia-50-executions/
2015-11-28T09:03:34 < dongs>  -!- flyback ~flyback@c-98-239-164-111.hsd1.pa.comcast.net is messaging you, and you have umode +g.
2015-11-28T09:03:37 < dongs> lul
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2015-11-28T10:00:05 < bloated> 1 File(s)      1,590,368 bytes      tetris.exe
2015-11-28T10:00:07 < bloated> no such problems here.
2015-11-28T10:05:08 < dongs> 11/28/2015  05:04 PM15,379,276,501,345 faggot.bin
2015-11-28T10:05:25 < dongs> 13.9 TB (15,379,276,501,345 bytes)
2015-11-28T10:05:26 < dongs> lol
2015-11-28T10:05:33 < dongs> try this on EXT3, bros
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2015-11-28T10:18:44 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/GLZ5ct9.jpg
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2015-11-28T10:25:31 < dongs> is that good or bad
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2015-11-28T11:08:34 < dongs> https://www.instagram.com/p/7oaRyVOPxC/ lul
2015-11-28T11:08:35 < dongs> fucking stoners
2015-11-28T11:10:08 < jadew> what is 420?
2015-11-28T11:11:14 < dongs> http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/420.asp
2015-11-28T11:11:15 < dongs> this
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2015-11-28T11:14:16 < dongs> Most of the clocks in Pulp Fiction are set to 4:20 < LOL
2015-11-28T11:14:29 < dongs> yet another reason to never watch that shitstain excuse for a movie
2015-11-28T11:14:55 < jadew> is pulp fiction the one with the leg crossing?
2015-11-28T11:15:14 < dongs> no idea what youre talking about its some unfunny tarrantino shit
2015-11-28T11:15:18 < jadew> ah, that's basic instinct
2015-11-28T11:15:29 < jadew> ah, right
2015-11-28T11:15:34 < jadew> I tried to watch it recently
2015-11-28T11:15:39 < jadew> couldn't get into it
2015-11-28T11:15:46 < dongs> crap fiction?
2015-11-28T11:15:48 < dongs> thats because its shit
2015-11-28T11:15:52 < dongs> evry 2nd word is "fuck"
2015-11-28T11:15:54 < dongs> and it sucks
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2015-11-28T11:46:27 < Steffanx> But its such classic. IMDB agrees
2015-11-28T11:46:45 < dongs> classic shit
2015-11-28T11:47:06 < dongs> try watching it and see whats so great aboiiyt it'
2015-11-28T11:48:18 < Steffanx> Ive seen it. Wasnt too bad but also not too great. So proper response would be: meh
2015-11-28T11:48:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: watched "Better than Paradise"?
2015-11-28T11:48:54 < dongs> no
2015-11-28T11:49:13 < Steffanx> seen Er ist wieder da yet dongs?
2015-11-28T11:50:17 < dongs> nup
2015-11-28T11:50:23 < PaulFertser> I'd expect you say "Seen first 5 mins, nothing happened at all, I mean really nothing, fast-forwarded 30 mins, same shit, went back to the dick-n-place machine as it's more entertaining to watch."
2015-11-28T11:51:09 < Steffanx> Lol you know him well paulfertser
2015-11-28T11:53:22 < PaulFertser> Ah, it's "Stranger than paradise"
2015-11-28T12:01:23 < ReadError> what about 'Man in the High Castle"
2015-11-28T12:04:48 < ReadError> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9029908bf670e4231c224972df575ff1d6f72da6/0_0_4869_2922/master/4869.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=076c85645a124f26d0e02b3e35965bbf
2015-11-28T12:04:55 < ReadError> this didnt go over so well apparently
2015-11-28T12:11:48 < mitrax> ReadError: Man in the High Castle sucks
2015-11-28T12:12:28 < ReadError> ive not seen it yet
2015-11-28T12:12:51 < mitrax> ReadError: the first and last episode are supposed to be good... and everything in between is "filling", I saw the first episode and didn't even like it
2015-11-28T12:13:27 < ReadError> the japs and nazis occupying america seems like something dongs would be into though
2015-11-28T12:13:40 < mitrax> err i mean filler episodes, as they call them
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2015-11-28T12:28:03 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1448693159 that must smell super nice
2015-11-28T12:29:17 < ReadError> mitrax seen 'The Knick' ?
2015-11-28T12:29:20 < ReadError> pretty neat
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2015-11-28T12:34:44 < karlp> great soundtrack in the knick.
2015-11-28T12:35:15 < dongs> https://youtu.be/SS5v7AGCmck?t=12 WTF
2015-11-28T12:35:16 < ReadError> haha yea pretty interesting style of music
2015-11-28T12:35:18 < dongs> why is dell cloning ritot
2015-11-28T12:35:19 < dongs> lol
2015-11-28T12:39:00 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/LiWhDq4.png damn
2015-11-28T12:39:36 < dongs> banggood?
2015-11-28T12:39:43 < dongs> youre cloning like a pro
2015-11-28T12:39:44 < ReadError> amazoon
2015-11-28T12:39:52 < dongs> o
2015-11-28T12:43:20 < dongs> wifecop has you beat
2015-11-28T12:43:39 < dongs> nearly double
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2015-11-28T12:51:11 < dongs> http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/nov/20/pulp-fiction-overrated-film-knockoff-imitations-hype
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2015-11-28T13:02:02 < karlp> ah I do love having a teensyduino lying around for testing uot new hardware.
2015-11-28T13:02:13 < dongs> i bet
2015-11-28T13:02:23 < karlp> spent more time dicking around with power cable for this ws2812 led strip than getting a demo working
2015-11-28T13:03:24 < dongs> damn they're doing some super slowmotion replays on this figure skating shit and you can see the fat roll around
2015-11-28T13:03:38 < karlp> why are you watching figure skating?
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2015-11-28T13:05:48 < dongs> its 0-day live stuff feed, im just watching to see if anyone trips and kills themselves
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2015-11-28T13:22:54 < PeterM> link?
2015-11-28T13:23:09 < PeterM> i wouldnt mind watching some figure skating
2015-11-28T13:26:06 < ReadError> lesigh
2015-11-28T13:26:18 < ReadError> have to go through and modify all my altium footprints
2015-11-28T13:26:27 < ReadError> to add assembly drawing layers
2015-11-28T13:27:17 < dongs> PeterM: dont think you can get japsat
2015-11-28T13:27:31 < dongs> its studio live relay or whatever
2015-11-28T13:27:34 < dongs> they'll be on tv tomrow
2015-11-28T13:27:39 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/DJcaa.jpg
2015-11-28T13:27:45 < ReadError> why cant it do this automatically
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2015-11-28T13:28:51 < PeterM> dongs daaang
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2015-11-28T14:52:43 < ReadError> is there no way to make/save a set of rules in altium to be re-used for other things
2015-11-28T15:03:29 < PaulFertser> Should a sane transmitter (for controlling rc toys) be about horizontal when suspended on a neck strap?
2015-11-28T15:04:28 < ReadError> yea, taranis for example has multiple holes
2015-11-28T15:04:35 < ReadError> so you can balance it
2015-11-28T15:05:35 < ReadError> the germans/europeans like the trays though and shoulder harness/straps
2015-11-28T15:06:09 < ReadError> http://www.revoc.eu/rc/thumb/big/photo/rc_strap_harness_a04.JPG
2015-11-28T15:06:39 < zyp> ReadError, isn't that what the save/load buttons are for?
2015-11-28T15:06:46 < zyp> or was it export/import?
2015-11-28T15:07:49 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/Kk9Yq.jpg
2015-11-28T15:08:13 < ReadError> thought I saw something somewhere, but it doesnt seem to be in this tool
2015-11-28T15:08:24 < __rob> ReadError, you can save rules ?
2015-11-28T15:08:31 < __rob> and load between projects
2015-11-28T15:08:40 < ReadError> thats what I want to do
2015-11-28T15:08:53 < ReadError> but dont see any option to accomplish
2015-11-28T15:09:11 < __rob> Design -> Rules
2015-11-28T15:09:14 < __rob> right click on them
2015-11-28T15:09:24 < __rob> Export Rules
2015-11-28T15:09:26 < __rob> Import Rules
2015-11-28T15:09:35 < __rob> you can pick and choose what you want to save
2015-11-28T15:09:53 < ReadError> ohh i see, top folder 'Design Rules' you can
2015-11-28T15:09:54 < __rob> I save them out as handy sets, like differential ones etc..
2015-11-28T15:10:01 < ReadError> they kinda buried that option
2015-11-28T15:10:36 < __rob> yea, you would think there would be an actual button or something
2015-11-28T15:16:43 < __rob> dongs, is your CX-10 as stable as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbdNZIL6Lpw
2015-11-28T15:17:02 < __rob> maybe this guy is actually pretty good but I cant fly it like that at all
2015-11-28T15:17:05 < dongs> __rob: proto-x is just rebrand of some walkera/cheerson shit
2015-11-28T15:17:14 < dongs> link to "stable" part
2015-11-28T15:17:26 < __rob> 7:00 +
2015-11-28T15:17:33 < __rob> I can't even turn mine
2015-11-28T15:17:40 < dongs> ya
2015-11-28T15:17:41 < dongs> this is normal
2015-11-28T15:17:42 < __rob> makes too much change to the throttle
2015-11-28T15:17:44 < dongs> mine flies like that
2015-11-28T15:17:50 < __rob> and I smash it into my fridge
2015-11-28T15:17:52 < __rob> or something
2015-11-28T15:17:53 < __rob> or the roof
2015-11-28T15:17:56 < __rob> or floor
2015-11-28T15:18:08 < __rob> likely my skill
2015-11-28T15:18:28 < ReadError> I cant fly the cx-10 for shit lol
2015-11-28T15:18:43 < dongs> wut
2015-11-28T15:18:51 < __rob> well that guy is turning it all over the place, without changin the height
2015-11-28T15:18:57 < ReadError> yea the leveling stuff messes with me
2015-11-28T15:19:03 < __rob> best thing about that copter hes got is it almost looks like the zano
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2015-11-28T15:19:06 < __rob> for £10
2015-11-28T15:20:04 < __rob> but is that just skill i am watching ? or does my CX-10 suck
2015-11-28T15:20:29 < trepidacious> What's a CX-10?
2015-11-28T15:20:31 < ReadError> __rob i think there is a way to trim them
2015-11-28T15:20:38 < ReadError> trim the accel rather
2015-11-28T15:20:39 < __rob> I've broken 3 propellors so far
2015-11-28T15:20:39 < trepidacious> Ah a quadthingy
2015-11-28T15:22:28 < __rob> yea, cheap quadcopter
2015-11-28T15:22:54 < trepidacious> I keep meaning to get a cheap FPV quadcopter, looks fun
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2015-11-28T15:48:32 < PaulFertser> ReadError: thanks, thought so as well; my wltoys v912 (fp heli) transmitter doesn't behave :/
2015-11-28T15:49:06 < PaulFertser> fp helis are self-stabilising not because they're fp, but because they usually have a 45 degrees flybar.
2015-11-28T15:51:07 < PaulFertser> __rob: eachine h8 mini doesn't change height when turning.
2015-11-28T16:05:13 < bloated> what kind of drone takes this type of footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLdXKEzvEaM&feature=youtu.be
2015-11-28T16:12:38 < ReadError> damn thats a pretty cool vid
2015-11-28T16:15:03 < __rob> must be amazing advantage to have live stream to your ipad when fighting a war
2015-11-28T16:16:12 < ReadError> that tank got wrecked by bullets
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2015-11-28T17:05:30 < Steffanx> Syria GoingPro?
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2015-11-28T17:34:20 < englishman> lol, when that turret hits a building, and it just whoooop
2015-11-28T17:34:39 < englishman> @ 2:23
2015-11-28T17:35:31 < englishman> haha and he's shooting his tank apart
2015-11-28T17:35:53 < englishman> so, which faction is this, its another logo i dont recognize
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2015-11-28T17:44:59 < ehsanv> hi. do i need external pull-up resistor for usb device use with stm32f103 ? or it has it internally?
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2015-11-28T17:59:39 < celeron55> i guess it does have
2015-11-28T17:59:51 < celeron55> you can of course read that from the reference manual
2015-11-28T17:59:53 < celeron55> and should
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2015-11-28T18:08:49 < Sync> englishman: it is pretty fucking stupid to yolo around that fast with a tank in that environment
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2015-11-28T18:24:52 < Steffanx> isnt that a feature they introduced late celeron55? The l1 has it, but it has the wrong value.
2015-11-28T18:24:55 < Steffanx> *later
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2015-11-28T18:29:08 < jubatus> Sync: if you were a illiterate pesant, and a helicopter dropped out of the sky from an american plane, and someone told you to drive it, you'd drive it like that too.
2015-11-28T18:29:21 < jubatus> err s/helicopter/tank
2015-11-28T18:29:35 < jubatus> my fingers ran away from my brain for a moment
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2015-11-28T19:26:50 < Laurenceb> sup
2015-11-28T19:29:50 < kakimir> I wonder if anyone uses this pinout http://www.icstation.com/images/big/productimages/1382/1.JPG
2015-11-28T19:30:20 < kakimir> wait no flow control
2015-11-28T19:30:24 < kakimir> it's crap
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2015-11-28T19:37:41 < kakimir> I think I do 2x3 to my designs for now on based on that connector numbering we talked about yeasterday
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2015-11-28T20:32:43 < ReadError> its pretty easy in chibios
2015-11-28T20:42:24 < Steffanx> relatively precies using the debug cycle counter?
2015-11-28T20:49:12 < Fleck> HAL_Delay() ?
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2015-11-28T21:13:28 < Rob235> anyone ever use a 3d pen like the scribbler? is that a good one to get?
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2015-11-28T21:51:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4lDvkAFyps
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2015-11-28T22:02:01 < karlp> kakimir: heaps of people use that pinout, but yes, it's a hsitty pinout.
2015-11-28T22:02:22 < karlp> "rst" is often a reset input signal to the cp210x, totally braindead cloner shit, but super cheap
2015-11-28T22:08:08 < kakimir> yes
2015-11-28T22:08:53 < kakimir> if there isn't other implementations it's to be excluded
2015-11-28T22:11:21 < ReadError> jpa-!
2015-11-28T22:38:46 < jpa-> ReadError: va?
2015-11-28T22:41:08 < ReadError> saw your name in a smoothieboard issue
2015-11-28T22:41:22 < ReadError> something about how you re-wrote a bunch of stuff, was wondering if i needed this
2015-11-28T22:41:49 < jpa-> didn't really rewrite all that much
2015-11-28T22:42:02 < jpa-> more time spent pissing wolfmanjm off than coding
2015-11-28T22:42:46 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/Jerkware/commit/5f4ee095a5c031207e609d2816e2f2aeabe54e92  this is probably the most important difference
2015-11-28T22:45:11 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/-pGsPySkbc/?taken-by=readerror67
2015-11-28T22:45:45 < ReadError> my other axis is losing about .1mm when changing directions, wasnt sure if it was how the pins are toggled or mechanical
2015-11-28T22:46:02 < ReadError> thats how i came across your github comments
2015-11-28T22:46:12 < jpa-> how many steps is that for your machine?
2015-11-28T22:49:35 < jpa-> if less than 4 full steps, it's probably only mechanical backlash
2015-11-28T22:50:04 < ReadError> also im running 1/32nd microstepping
2015-11-28T22:50:17 < ReadError> could be a current thing too
2015-11-28T22:50:50 < ReadError> 160 steps/mm
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2015-11-28T23:38:01 < GargantuaSauce> ReadError is this visual servoing?
2015-11-28T23:38:37 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce nah steppers + ruler + camera
2015-11-28T23:38:45 < ReadError> to check my axi
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2015-11-29T01:36:23 < MightyPork> hi, solving a brand new problem ;)   I have DMA->DAC, and with certain prescaller settings, the near-4095 values become 0 at output. Ideas what it could be?
2015-11-29T01:36:48 < MightyPork> it's f303re, same problem with f303vc
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2015-11-29T02:48:25 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-11-29T02:48:41 < dongs> MightyPork: what 'prescaler settings'?
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2015-11-29T03:26:40 < emeb_mac> lol - RPi zeros on ebay for huge $$
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2015-11-29T03:41:14 < __rob> Think they are using RPi zero on Zano2 to save on dev time
2015-11-29T03:44:55 < bloated> Nvidia has a new sbc, just about right for Zano
2015-11-29T03:54:13 < KreAture_Zzz> Talked to a cool bt and wifi module supplier the other day
2015-11-29T03:54:25 < KreAture_Zzz> Amp'ed RF, anyone use their modules ?
2015-11-29T03:54:35 < KreAture_Zzz> Turns out they use a LOT of stm32's
2015-11-29T03:54:39 < KreAture_Zzz> we are talking millions
2015-11-29T03:57:35 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2015-11-29T04:22:22 < aandrew> happy homo turkey day: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1179772285370643&set=a.221130991234782.71928.100000136492172&type=3&theater
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2015-11-29T04:53:06 < scrts> lads, do you know if credit score changes if you change banks?
2015-11-29T04:53:10 < scrts> or affects somehow?
2015-11-29T04:53:54 < Rob235> no, banks dont determine score, credit agencies do
2015-11-29T04:54:50 < Rob235> but if you have a credit card through the bank and change to a new credit card it can affect it.
2015-11-29T04:55:08 < scrts> and reduce the score?
2015-11-29T04:55:55 < Rob235> signing up for new credit cards can temporarily lower your score and age of credit is a big deal so closing out a card you've had and opening a brand new one will decrease your average credit age
2015-11-29T04:58:15 < scrts> ok so in general I should be careful when selecting my first bank...
2015-11-29T04:59:49 < Rob235> I destroyed my credit and just started rebuilding it the past 2 years so I dont know how much these things affect the score of an average person. thats about the extent of my knowledge
2015-11-29T05:02:07 < Rob235> Ive gone up 150 points in the past year and few months
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2015-11-29T05:09:14 < scrts> hmm
2015-11-29T05:09:21 < scrts> if you don't mind: do you use online bank?
2015-11-29T05:09:37 < scrts> some relocation assistant helped to open an account in Comerica
2015-11-29T05:09:44 < scrts> but I am thinking of Schwab
2015-11-29T05:10:02 < scrts> not many options here... there's also Bank of America and Chase
2015-11-29T05:10:22 < Rob235> i just use whats convenient in my area.  which happens to be wells fargo.
2015-11-29T05:10:48 < Rob235> I would check google and see what people say
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2015-11-29T05:13:17 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/VP9fKP6.gif
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2015-11-29T05:16:16 < scrts> Rob235-> convenient: you mean ATMs?
2015-11-29T05:16:32 < scrts> I see that Schwab reinburses for all TM fees, so in general I could use any ATM
2015-11-29T05:17:36 < Rob235> not just atms, also bank locations.
2015-11-29T05:22:47 < Rob235> if you accidentally overdraft your account, its nice to be able to go right to the bank and deposit something to cover it so you dont get an overdraft fee. things like that
2015-11-29T05:23:03 < dongs> er
2015-11-29T05:23:08 < dongs> is that for checking?
2015-11-29T05:23:17 < Rob235> thats what im talking about
2015-11-29T05:23:30 < Rob235> he was talking about switching banks
2015-11-29T05:24:13 < dongs> only americunts use checks
2015-11-29T05:24:24 < Rob235> who's talking about checks?
2015-11-29T05:24:41 < dongs> how else do you 'overdraft' your account
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2015-11-29T05:25:22 < Rob235> charges don't always go through instantly.  sometimes it takes a couple days and your card will still be accepted
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2015-11-29T05:33:21 < scrts> there's one schwab bank close to me
2015-11-29T05:33:36 < scrts> while there are loooads of bank of america, chase or comerica ones
2015-11-29T05:33:47 < scrts> but still, I see that reviews are good for it
2015-11-29T05:33:54 < scrts> so as capital one 360
2015-11-29T05:36:23 < dongs> my americunt bank is wellsfargo
2015-11-29T05:36:29 < dongs> had them since '94 or someshit
2015-11-29T05:36:41 < emeb> whee - F042 I2S driving a PT8211 stereo 16-bit DAC
2015-11-29T05:36:54 < dongs> nice proing
2015-11-29T05:36:57 < emeb> those things are like $0.25/ea from alibaba
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2015-11-29T05:38:09 < dongs> It.s digital input timing format is Least Significant Bit Justified (LSBJ), or so called
2015-11-29T05:38:12 < dongs> Japanese input format.
2015-11-29T05:38:13 < dongs> japanese input format
2015-11-29T05:38:16 < dongs> lol
2015-11-29T05:38:24 < dongs> japs even had to invent thier own i2s formatting
2015-11-29T05:38:37 < dongs> i was at broadcast expo couple weeks ago right?
2015-11-29T05:38:48 < dongs> and NHK is gonna start 8K trial satellite broadcast from next year march or so
2015-11-29T05:39:04 < dongs> so i checked around to see what modulation/broadcast scheme they';re gonna use
2015-11-29T05:39:10 < dongs> and instead of using DVB-S2 like sane people
2015-11-29T05:39:13 < dongs> tehy rolled thier own fucking shit
2015-11-29T05:39:27 < dongs> R2COM: the game isnt evne out yet, adn from wat i hear it wont ever be
2015-11-29T05:39:32 < dongs> its like zano of video games
2015-11-29T05:39:41 < dongs> there's some beta that doenst acutally do anything useful
2015-11-29T05:40:09 < emeb> dongs: everyone's gotta be a special snowflake
2015-11-29T05:40:19 < emeb> protects the market for the home-boys I guess
2015-11-29T05:40:26 < dongs> totally
2015-11-29T05:40:38 < dongs> you'd think they would learn with japtv v1 tho
2015-11-29T05:40:47 < emeb> no one ever learns
2015-11-29T05:40:55 < dongs> it doesnt actually make sense at all, they're using al lsame modulations as S2
2015-11-29T05:40:56 < emeb> doomed to repeat
2015-11-29T05:41:00 < dongs> but the framing is different enough
2015-11-29T05:41:13 < dongs> and they have a separate bpsk carrier for overall broadcast metadata
2015-11-29T05:41:21 < dongs> (just like in v1 shite)
2015-11-29T05:41:34 < emeb> Just means that redesigning the IP will be easy, but forces the customers to come to you.
2015-11-29T05:46:04 < emeb> These PT8211 DACs aren't normal oversampling sigma-delta, they're R2R ladders. Has low latency and like 200ns step response on the audio output.
2015-11-29T05:46:18 < dongs> is that good or bad
2015-11-29T05:46:31 < emeb> Depends on your point of view...
2015-11-29T05:46:38 < dongs> how many meters of distance is 200ns delay
2015-11-29T05:46:53 < dongs> dudes talk about soundcard latency in gaming and shit
2015-11-29T05:47:00 < dongs> but sit like 2-3 meters away from monitor/tv
2015-11-29T05:47:02 < dongs> kekeke
2015-11-29T05:47:05 < emeb> Pretty much no latency.
2015-11-29T05:47:29 < emeb> but you need a good audio reconstruction filter to get rid of the images at multiples of the clock freq.
2015-11-29T05:47:37 < emeb> so it's a tradeoff.
2015-11-29T05:47:55 < emeb> Audiophools love R2R ladder DACs - "the real unaltered bits"
2015-11-29T05:48:25 < emeb> but the analog circuitry is tougher to do well because oversampling systems images are farther from the audio band.
2015-11-29T05:48:36 < dongs> haha
2015-11-29T05:48:47 < PeterM> jesus fuck you need like 0.0000000001% resistors for a 24bit r2r dac
2015-11-29T05:49:13 < emeb> 24-bit accurate DACs don't really exist.
2015-11-29T05:49:32 < PeterM> yeah, enob of a really good 24bit dac is liek 20
2015-11-29T05:49:40 < emeb> Exactly
2015-11-29T05:49:56 < PeterM> but even for liek a 12 bit r2r dac you need like 0.01% resistors
2015-11-29T05:49:56 < emeb> Most R2R DACs can't even hit 15bits
2015-11-29T05:50:26 < PeterM> yeah
2015-11-29T05:50:39 < emeb> that's another reason sigma-delta DACs are nice - they don't rely on super-accurate components.
2015-11-29T05:50:46 < emeb> (to get good ENOB)
2015-11-29T05:50:54 < PeterM> yerp
2015-11-29T05:51:46 < emeb> TI has a 32-bit ADC for low-speed measurement apps, but it only does 21bits ENOB, and that requires you to sample at like 2Hz.
2015-11-29T05:52:07 < emeb> and you need wizards to do the board design to get that kind of low-noise.
2015-11-29T05:52:39 < PeterM> really good ADCs aren't as hard as really good DAcs
2015-11-29T05:53:50 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_ADC
2015-11-29T05:54:20 < emeb> PeterM: yeah - that's pretty much how all DMMs work.
2015-11-29T05:54:24 < PeterM> it just becomes a trade off  in time and stability of your cap
2015-11-29T05:54:30 < PeterM> yerp
2015-11-29T05:57:51 < emeb> what kind of ENOB were you getting?
2015-11-29T06:00:24 < scrts> I usually use bottom pad of the chip to connect grounds
2015-11-29T06:00:27 < scrts> so far - worked OK
2015-11-29T06:03:06 < PeterM> scrts its not so much about how well oyur grounds are connected but the paths that currents take through your gounds, ie dont have high return currents past sensitive nodes
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2015-11-29T06:21:37 < englishman> Why is r2com trolling about some bullshit video game, I thought he was a srs guy
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2015-11-29T06:29:57 < dongs> pretty sure nobody in here cares about star shittyzen dude
2015-11-29T06:30:02 < dongs> thats a dickstarter game
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2015-11-29T06:33:10 < dongs> an d theres huuge drama around it
2015-11-29T06:33:15 < dongs> and i think most of the devs /ragequit by now
2015-11-29T06:33:18 < dongs> and it isnt gona get done
2015-11-29T06:33:25 < dongs> so all the retards who blew $10k of realcash on shitty in-game spaceships
2015-11-29T06:33:26 < dongs> are fucked
2015-11-29T06:34:17 < PeterM> i thought if you spent 10k real cash on virtual spaceshits you were already fucked
2015-11-29T06:34:38 < PeterM> regardless of if they deliver ofr not
2015-11-29T06:35:06 < dongs> i guess this is same like people paying for porn
2015-11-29T06:35:34 < PeterM> yer man, or even paying for sex
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2015-11-29T06:35:49 < PeterM> people give that shit away for free
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2015-11-29T06:45:39 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=zano%20drone&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
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2015-11-29T06:46:22 < dongs> well thats an interesting path for USPS to china
2015-11-29T06:46:32 < dongs> anchorage -> SF -> Tokyo -> China
2015-11-29T06:57:52 < emeb> Route planning fail
2015-11-29T06:58:32 < jadew> remember this picture from under my desk? http://dumb.ro/files/wires.jpg
2015-11-29T06:58:41 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/after.jpg
2015-11-29T06:59:38 < jadew> took me about 8 hours
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2015-11-29T07:16:05 < jadew> no, but it includes another bench that's next to this one
2015-11-29T07:16:09 < jadew> I have less stuff there tho
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2015-11-29T10:14:55 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/-qTLmEykdX/?taken-by=readerror67
2015-11-29T10:15:03 < ReadError> made a vine of PNP progress
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2015-11-29T10:57:40 < dongs> lol why are you even wasting time
2015-11-29T10:57:42 < dongs> wiht opensores garbage
2015-11-29T10:57:43 < dongs> jesus
2015-11-29T10:57:56 < dongs> openpnp is fucking aids
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2015-11-29T10:59:31 < ReadError> shits n lols I guess
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2015-11-29T13:43:32 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-11-29T14:29:14 < dongs> dongs
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2015-11-29T15:40:59 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/jiyu2oc.jpg
2015-11-29T15:42:05 < karlp> donglover dongs? http://imgur.com/gallery/v4POnnx
2015-11-29T16:09:26 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/x6kL84X.png
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2015-11-29T16:30:33 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/-rBBH7SkaF/?taken-by=readerror67
2015-11-29T16:30:38 < ReadError> awwww yisssssss
2015-11-29T16:36:52 < dongs> trash gonna trash
2015-11-29T16:37:04 < ReadError> seems to be working fine right now
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2015-11-29T17:08:37 < kakimir> forgot my computer on for 12hours
2015-11-29T17:09:00 < kakimir> 75% battery left
2015-11-29T17:09:24 < kakimir> old laptop consumed more battery in sleep
2015-11-29T17:13:42 < Bright> i have stdperiph
2015-11-29T17:15:11 < ReadError> <Bright> i have std
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2015-11-29T17:15:27 < Bright> i have stm32 standard peripheral library
2015-11-29T17:15:42 < dongs> we know
2015-11-29T17:16:56 < Bright> everything is so hard
2015-11-29T17:17:01 < dongs> try cube
2015-11-29T17:17:07 < dongs> everything is harder, cubed.
2015-11-29T17:39:08 < emeb> so helpful!
2015-11-29T17:41:33 < Bright> i got it
2015-11-29T17:44:42 < dongs> im glad you did
2015-11-29T17:44:49 < dongs> cuz you never told us wat the fucking problem was
2015-11-29T17:45:42 < Bright> dongs: the problem was i dont know this library yet
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2015-11-29T17:59:09 < ReadMobl> dongs aka clive1 can ass-ist you
2015-11-29T18:01:39 < Steffanx> kakimir, old laptop consumes more in sleep or old laptop battery has like zero capacity left?
2015-11-29T18:01:57 < Steffanx> or a bit of both
2015-11-29T18:07:57 < kakimir> both
2015-11-29T18:08:07 < kakimir> when old both
2015-11-29T18:08:27 < kakimir> but when it was new it consumed like 25% in a night
2015-11-29T18:08:31 < kakimir> in sleep
2015-11-29T18:09:32 < ReadMobl> Ya but 900 mega hurts ;(
2015-11-29T18:14:28 < kakimir> with icebags under the laptop it stays in 1.9ghz
2015-11-29T18:14:47 < kakimir> around a bit under 2ghz
2015-11-29T18:16:24 < kakimir> I think it could be efficiently around that even without icebags if I turn minumum processor power from 100% to 50% or so it can cool a bit between tasks
2015-11-29T18:17:00 < kakimir> or what ever percentage 900mhz is from 2.2ghz
2015-11-29T18:17:30 < kakimir> 40%
2015-11-29T18:17:50 < kakimir> because practical applications do not pull 100% constant
2015-11-29T18:18:16 < kakimir> ebay?
2015-11-29T18:22:42 < kakimir> thats long
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2015-11-29T18:28:00 < kakimir> it's shit in every temperature
2015-11-29T18:28:16 < kakimir> 50% of time
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2015-11-29T19:11:09 < dongs> too stoned
2015-11-29T19:11:24 < Laurenceb> i can never make blackmagic work
2015-11-29T19:11:35 < Laurenceb> gave up lol
2015-11-29T19:14:13 < dongs> opensores shit
2015-11-29T19:14:14 < dongs> bedtime
2015-11-29T19:18:11 < Laurenceb> I mean it seemed to work
2015-11-29T19:18:18 < Laurenceb> but gdb didnt like it one bit
2015-11-29T19:18:34 < Steffanx> PEBKAC for sure
2015-11-29T19:19:51 < Steffanx> What bmp laurenceb?
2015-11-29T19:20:54 < Laurenceb> there are different versions?
2015-11-29T19:21:06 < Steffanx> Different hw yes
2015-11-29T19:21:26 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol
2015-11-29T19:21:49 < ReadError> quite happy with my jlink experience over the stlink
2015-11-29T19:21:52 < ReadError> so much quicker
2015-11-29T19:22:08 < Steffanx> Jlink clone?
2015-11-29T19:22:18 < ReadError> i got the clone but havent 'fixed' it yet
2015-11-29T19:22:22 < ReadError> grabbed the EDU
2015-11-29T19:24:15 < Lux> those jlink clones ?
2015-11-29T19:24:51 < ReadError> yea
2015-11-29T19:25:09 < ReadError> the EDU was like 60$ or so and just works
2015-11-29T19:25:19 < ReadError> may get around to fixing the clone someday
2015-11-29T19:25:42 < Laurenceb> where do you find these clones?
2015-11-29T19:25:58 < ReadError> china
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2015-11-29T19:31:38 < kakimir> jlink clone best out there
2015-11-29T19:31:52 < kakimir> no reason to buy anything else
2015-11-29T19:32:30 < kakimir> they should exceed with opensores projects it so those could become and option
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2015-11-29T20:50:41 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, it was down
2015-11-29T20:50:47 < jadew> I turned it off by mistake
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2015-11-29T20:52:06 < jadew> not much
2015-11-29T20:52:21 < jadew> I'm shopping for some wire
2015-11-29T20:52:33 < jadew> then I'm going back to sleep
2015-11-29T20:52:38 < upgrdman> looks better. im proud of you.
2015-11-29T20:53:00 < jadew> I just want to make sure the order goes through before midnight so it gets delivered tomorrow
2015-11-29T20:53:02 < Steffanx> jadew has a fancy website?
2015-11-29T20:53:03 < jadew> upgrdman, thanks
2015-11-29T20:53:34 < upgrdman> Steffanx:
2015-11-29T20:53:35 < upgrdman> <jadew> remember this picture from under my desk? http://dumb.ro/files/wires.jpg
2015-11-29T20:53:35 < upgrdman> <jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/after.jpg
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2015-11-29T20:54:22 < Steffanx> Whats in the white box?
2015-11-29T20:54:36 < jadew> power strips
2015-11-29T20:54:43 < Steffanx> oh
2015-11-29T21:04:09 < upgrdman> and kindling
2015-11-29T21:04:32 < Steffanx> i hope not.
2015-11-29T21:04:56 < jadew> heh
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2015-11-29T21:26:26 < Laurenceb> expecting desk mounted fleshlight
2015-11-29T21:28:22 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-11-29T22:16:49 < upgrdman> lol https://tornadofamilyvalues.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/yankee-candle-queef.png?w=1000
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2015-11-29T22:23:31 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, you expected this from jadew, huh?  http://imgur.com/vMVSUI2
2015-11-29T22:31:14 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxEHi6Mlzmk
2015-11-29T22:33:00 < kakimir> if you have hair like that
2015-11-29T22:33:08 < kakimir> you must be professional at something
2015-11-29T22:38:55 < upgrdman> spray paint  http://i.imgur.com/Uqwoiox.gifv
2015-11-29T22:40:04 < kakimir> smart kid
2015-11-29T22:41:22 < ReadError> thats the kinda kid that throws a keg into a bonfire
2015-11-29T22:41:29 < aandrew> the fact that his friends were all hiding behind trees shoudl have been a big indicator to him that he was doing something stupid
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2015-11-29T22:44:55 < ReadError> shut up R2COM you ruskis shoot krokadil
2015-11-29T22:48:11 < ReadError> hey R2COM http://aspergers.party/1448760153101.webm
2015-11-29T22:49:56 < upgrdman> LOL
2015-11-29T22:50:09 < upgrdman> allah akbar indeed
2015-11-29T22:51:53 < Sync> wat
2015-11-29T22:52:01 < kakimir> nsfw?
2015-11-29T22:52:49 < kakimir> vulva visible - not enought to be nsfw
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2015-11-29T22:57:30 < upgrdman> whats /b/ ?
2015-11-29T22:57:50 < kakimir> there is no need to mention if content is nsfw - it's to be assumed on every link now
2015-11-29T22:59:33 < kakimir> upgrdman: you don't need to know
2015-11-29T23:00:18 < upgrdman> oh but i do
2015-11-29T23:00:30 < Steffanx> i cannot imagine you dont know
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2015-11-29T23:05:36 < kakimir> wow 60fps video
2015-11-29T23:05:47 < kakimir> 50fps
2015-11-29T23:06:11 < kakimir> weird look
2015-11-29T23:07:20 < kakimir> it looks like 2x speed even it isnt
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2015-11-29T23:12:05 < kakimir> so shaky
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2015-11-29T23:24:00 < ReadError> kakimir think you can assume a link like aspergers.party is nswf
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2015-11-29T23:28:53 < Laurenceb> aspergers.party ?!
2015-11-29T23:29:22 < ReadError> <ReadError> hey R2COM http://aspergers.party/1448760153101.webm
2015-11-29T23:29:27 < ReadError> im sure you have seen this though
2015-11-29T23:29:35 < Laurenceb> lol url
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2015-11-29T23:31:53 < ReadError> pretty sure thats ur domain too
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2015-11-29T23:58:28 < kakimir> so gw instek puts out baby rigols killer
2015-11-29T23:58:58 < kakimir> nice single chip processing
2015-11-29T23:59:37 < kakimir> that's the future in the scopes
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2015-11-30T00:00:15 < kakimir> adcs connected to some kick ass fpga with dual core arm
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2015-11-30T00:06:50 < kakimir> eevblog latest
2015-11-30T00:06:53 < Laurenceb> lol eevblog
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2015-11-30T00:07:21 < Laurenceb> moar like perman00b blog
2015-11-30T00:07:21 < Laurenceb> gaypronz
2015-11-30T00:07:44 < Laurenceb> no I dont have a sister
2015-11-30T00:08:06 < Laurenceb> I have a cousin who is a deranged emo camwhore
2015-11-30T00:08:24 < Laurenceb> you have probably fapped to her
2015-11-30T00:09:01 < Laurenceb> R2COM will never fap to camwhores again
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2015-11-30T00:54:28 < ReadError> wot m8?
2015-11-30T00:54:50 < ReadError> gnaa ddos'in the 'nodes?
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2015-11-30T02:11:37 < kakimir> outside mainstream scope nothing is shown.. but there is anime now too which is crazy
2015-11-30T02:11:47 < kakimir> loads of anime
2015-11-30T02:12:37 < Getty822> i dont get anime..... saber rider is the max ;) and that is just anime material cutted for western standards
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2015-11-30T02:15:10 < kakimir> hard core anime is what you like
2015-11-30T02:15:53 < Getty822> everytime i try to watch an anime i get already dizzy on the dialogue
2015-11-30T02:16:14 < Getty822> japanese dialogues are so awkward....
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2015-11-30T02:19:17 < upgrdman> typical event in japan: http://i.imgur.com/aONL1oo.gif
2015-11-30T02:19:51 < dongs> sup blogs
2015-11-30T02:20:00 < dongs> can confirm
2015-11-30T02:21:31 < upgrdman> http://cdn2.thegloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dawson-crying.gif
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2015-11-30T02:24:32 < Getty822> watching focus now, was also just 4 EUR
2015-11-30T02:24:36 < Getty822> crazy movie
2015-11-30T02:27:12 < upgrdman> "ESP8266EX has been designed for mobile, wearable electronics and Internet of Things applications
2015-11-30T02:27:12 < upgrdman> with the aim of achieving the lowest power consumption with a combination of several proprietary
2015-11-30T02:27:13 < upgrdman> techniques. The power saving architecture operates mainly in 3 modes: active mode, sleep mode
2015-11-30T02:27:13 < upgrdman> and deep sleep mode. "
2015-11-30T02:27:16 < upgrdman> oops
2015-11-30T02:27:27 < upgrdman> TIL sleep mode is a propreitary technique
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2015-11-30T02:27:49 < dongs> they should just call it ESP1488
2015-11-30T02:28:16 < upgrdman> ?
2015-11-30T02:28:31 < dongs> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1488
2015-11-30T02:29:06 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-30T02:29:43 < dongs> holy shit i gotta call my sat tv provider to activate a new device
2015-11-30T02:29:47 < dongs> and their customer serivce is from 10am
2015-11-30T02:29:53 < dongs> such lazy fucks wtf
2015-11-30T02:30:01 < Laurenceb> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=japanese+pussy+castle
2015-11-30T02:30:08 < dongs> unfunny
2015-11-30T02:33:12 < upgrdman> why do jap chicks always look like theyre being punished or raped when they fuck.
2015-11-30T02:33:44 < Laurenceb> i dont know maybe you should try watching less porn
2015-11-30T02:33:47 < upgrdman> someone should make a porno website called Happy Japy or someshit like that
2015-11-30T02:34:44 < Sync> upgrdman: because that is their fetish
2015-11-30T02:35:01 < Laurenceb> its called efukt.com
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2015-11-30T04:37:40 < GargantuaSauce> the chat market is collapsing
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2015-11-30T04:50:06 < dongs> haha
2015-11-30T04:50:19 < Getty822> LOL 2 x 2m HDMI cable are 40 cent cheaper as 1 x 2m HDMI cable on german amazon
2015-11-30T04:50:27 < Getty822> the same cabel not different brands
2015-11-30T04:52:04 < upgrdman> ya i see that sometimes too. or the reverse. 2 pack is >200% price of 1 pack.
2015-11-30T04:52:26 < Getty822> we just have to love our weird world of amazon pricing
2015-11-30T04:53:16 < upgrdman> iirc their pricing is mostly based on competition. if one of their resellers wants to offer a version for cheaper, amazon will try to undercut them. but only for that specific version.
2015-11-30T04:53:28 < Getty822> in this case its amazonbasics cable
2015-11-30T04:53:29 < upgrdman> my former employer used to sell on amazon and always got pissed at that.
2015-11-30T04:53:39 < upgrdman> ah ok
2015-11-30T04:53:42 < Getty822> one difference is here that the 2x2 cable require  me to have 20 EUR shopping card
2015-11-30T04:53:47 < Getty822> but that still makes it weird
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2015-11-30T07:46:27 < jadew> wtf is wrong with this network?
2015-11-30T07:46:59 < jpa-> ##stm32
2015-11-30T07:47:40 < jadew> besides that
2015-11-30T07:48:31 < upgrdman> freenode has been flakey due to DDoS
2015-11-30T07:48:46 < upgrdman> and flyback blames dongs for it
2015-11-30T07:49:29 < PaulFertser> And other GNAA members
2015-11-30T07:52:46 < upgrdman> "The Gay Nigger Association of America (GNAA) is an Internet-trolling organization. They have trolled several prominent websites and Internet personalities including Slashdot, Wikipedia, CNN, Barack Obama's campaign website, Alex Jones, and prominent members of the blogosphere. "
2015-11-30T07:52:47 < upgrdman> lol
2015-11-30T07:54:46 < jadew> I was reading that too
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2015-11-30T08:00:38 < dongs> sorry, im ex-gnaa. I quit when the retards stopped realizing the difference between crime and lulz
2015-11-30T08:02:39 < upgrdman> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Gary_Niger.jpg
2015-11-30T08:02:46 < dongs> feenode has plenty of reasons to be packeted and GNAA isnt one of htem
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2015-11-30T08:21:15 < PeterM> dongs may still be a big fan of the final solution, but that doesnt mean he keeps last measure working
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2015-11-30T08:29:01 < upgrdman> found dongs' model railroad  http://imgur.com/uterWCS
2015-11-30T08:30:13 < upgrdman> lolol  http://www.firebox.com/product/7078/Inner-Selfie-Stick
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2015-11-30T08:37:17 < Roklobsta> It should be called the Introspector.
2015-11-30T08:40:22 < upgrdman> good one
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2015-11-30T09:09:33 < bloated> found dongs' place of work: http://ikemeso-office.com/
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2015-11-30T09:44:26 < dongs> nice
2015-11-30T09:44:29 < dongs> wifecops LG G2 rooted
2015-11-30T09:44:36 < dongs> PeterM: wat usable shit can i install on it
2015-11-30T09:44:40 < dongs> instead o this AT&T aids
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2015-11-30T09:57:00 < PeterM> i would jsut stick standart cm12.1 on it and leave it at that
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2015-11-30T10:00:32 < dongs> thats what im leaning towards
2015-11-30T10:00:39 < dongs> still triyng to figure out how to get recovery on tehre
2015-11-30T10:00:44 < dongs> something about loki_flash
2015-11-30T10:00:48 < dongs> god damn assdroid is such a fucking faggot mess
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2015-11-30T10:06:33 < PeterM> you jsut reboot the device into fastboot (like power button + vol up or some shit), then using fastboot, fastboot falsh recovery recovery.img
2015-11-30T10:06:55 < PeterM> everything is already taken care of regarding the loki stuff
2015-11-30T10:08:04 < dongs> power + vol down fails
2015-11-30T10:09:50 < PeterM> it does weork, i cvant r3ememebr exact method though
2015-11-30T10:09:56 < PeterM> been so long since i did it
2015-11-30T10:10:06 < dongs> do you mean power + vol down thing?
2015-11-30T10:10:18 < PeterM> yeah
2015-11-30T10:10:25 < PeterM> if oyu cant get that pwoer + vol down to work
2015-11-30T10:10:42 < PeterM> turn on adb, plug in usb and use adb command adb reboot-bootloader
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2015-11-30T10:13:39 < dongs> reboot-bootloader does fuckall
2015-11-30T10:13:43 < dongs> just boots back to main
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2015-11-30T10:14:41 < PeterM> hmmm try adb reboot recovery
2015-11-30T10:15:36 < dongs> that one boots to some black shit about missing sigantures and powers down
2015-11-30T10:15:38 < PeterM> fuck its been a long time since i did any of this - it's usually only the first time you install a recovery or rom or whatever you do this shit
2015-11-30T10:15:42 < dongs> yeah
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2015-11-30T10:17:13 < dongs> lol donwloading some onelickc shit
2015-11-30T10:17:15 < dongs> that will do it
2015-11-30T10:17:23 < Fleck> xda forums...
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2015-11-30T10:17:41 < dongs> yes. complete aids.
2015-11-30T10:17:54 < dongs> forums for any kinda tech support = fuck off
2015-11-30T10:18:00 < PeterM> fleck xda doesn't help shit if your shit doesn't perfectly follow the guide
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2015-11-30T10:18:26 < PeterM> "oh my device isn't conenctig by adb even though the drivers are installed?" too fuckign bad
2015-11-30T10:18:48 < dongs> installing SUPER PRO AUTOREC
2015-11-30T10:18:56 < Fleck> use linux, doooh
2015-11-30T10:19:06 < dongs> yaman
2015-11-30T10:19:26 < dongs> ok it said something installed successfully
2015-11-30T10:19:29 < PeterM> in that casse "oh, shit my wifi isn't workign so i cant use the internet?" too fuckign bad
2015-11-30T10:19:31 < dongs> yay
2015-11-30T10:19:33 < dongs> it works
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2015-11-30T10:19:37 < Fleck> :pp
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2015-11-30T10:21:20 < Fleck> anyway, you need to get free of shit in your head, then everything works! adb doesn't need wifi btw :D
2015-11-30T10:21:59 < PeterM> nah but you neee d wifi to get your recovery image
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2015-11-30T10:27:54 < dongs> now adb reboot recovery works
2015-11-30T10:29:14 < dongs> and looks like cm is installing.
2015-11-30T10:29:37 < dongs> looks like its good to go
2015-11-30T10:29:45 < dongs> finally the aids of AT&T is cleared
2015-11-30T10:29:59 < dongs> that fucking trash asked to backup phonebook to some cloud shit that wouldnt ev ne work from japan
2015-11-30T10:30:08 < dongs> evrey fuckign time that thing tried to make a call
2015-11-30T10:30:21 < dongs> you had to have AT&T account
2015-11-30T10:30:23 < dongs> or someshit
2015-11-30T10:30:23 < dongs> aids.
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2015-11-30T10:32:30 < PeterM> i hate bloat that comes with phones its like fuck man, google already provides 99% of this shit why you gotta dupe it
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2015-11-30T10:35:02 < zyp> how would you know how awesome AT&T is if all the apps don't start with AT&T?
2015-11-30T10:37:24 < PeterM> probably their penis in and around your mouth
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2015-11-30T10:40:49 < dongs> i missed google apps becoming non-warez now
2015-11-30T10:40:56 < dongs> now that there's some "open" google apps
2015-11-30T10:41:14 < Ecco> what do you mean?
2015-11-30T10:41:26 < dongs> before you had to download shit off some retarded file host
2015-11-30T10:41:29 < dongs> cuz it was stolen from google
2015-11-30T10:41:36 < dongs> but now thre's opengapps.org or somethign
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2015-11-30T10:46:34 < artag> every time I start google maps it does a stupid banner screen. what do I need that for ?
2015-11-30T10:46:51 < dongs> to remind you that you're running google maps
2015-11-30T10:46:53 < dongs> and not apple maps
2015-11-30T10:47:32 < artag> I can tell it's google maps because some of it is right
2015-11-30T10:48:04 < zyp> presumably because it needs time to load shit
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2015-11-30T10:52:05 < dongs> so yeah zyp
2015-11-30T10:52:14 < dongs> 072 i2c isnt gonna work
2015-11-30T10:52:23 < dongs> theres still no way to *reject* an address.
2015-11-30T10:52:27 < dongs> and mask is too broad.
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2015-11-30T10:52:55 < dongs> you get an interrupt on waht address was accepted, but thats it, you cant do anything about it, its already been ack'd
2015-11-30T10:53:45 < bilboquet> Hi, i would like to be able to wake up my STM with MPU9250 and if usb connected.  is what a kind soul could tell me if the Schama is ok or not.
2015-11-30T10:53:49 < bilboquet> http://i.imgur.com/iAihocN.jpg
2015-11-30T10:54:09 < dongs> what awful PCB cad is this
2015-11-30T10:54:16 < dongs> and no
2015-11-30T10:54:18 < jpa-> looks eagle
2015-11-30T10:54:20 < dongs> you're going to freaking smoke 9150
2015-11-30T10:54:25 < dongs> and STM32
2015-11-30T10:54:27 < bilboquet> it's kicad
2015-11-30T10:54:39 < bilboquet> ok
2015-11-30T10:54:51 < bilboquet> what do yu sugest a diode
2015-11-30T10:55:05 < jpa-> bilboquet: first thing: wake up from what?
2015-11-30T10:55:11 < jpa-> sleep, stop, standby?
2015-11-30T10:55:24 < dongs> well he has it going to pa0
2015-11-30T10:55:30 < dongs> so i presume sleep/standby
2015-11-30T10:55:34 < bilboquet> standby but i've not yet test it
2015-11-30T10:55:45 < zyp> use vbus to drive a fet
2015-11-30T10:56:02 < dongs> or connect through some 74-series or gate thingy
2015-11-30T10:56:16 < dongs> is that thing powered by sometrhign else then?
2015-11-30T10:56:16 < zyp> isn't mpu int pin open drain anyway?
2015-11-30T10:56:18 < dongs> battery?
2015-11-30T10:56:20 < jpa-> schottky diodes would work also, if you always have STM32 VDD on and it is 5V tolerant pin
2015-11-30T10:56:23 < dongs> zyp: no
2015-11-30T10:56:23 < dongs> pp
2015-11-30T10:56:30 < zyp> dongs, are you sure?
2015-11-30T10:56:36 < dongs> zyp, im using it PP
2015-11-30T10:56:37 < dongs> and it works
2015-11-30T10:57:24 < bilboquet> yes i use a li ion 3.7V
2015-11-30T10:57:46 < zyp> dongs, according to datasheet it supports both
2015-11-30T10:57:53 < zyp> so I guess there's a register bit to choose
2015-11-30T10:58:09 < dongs> still sending 5V there will smoke it.
2015-11-30T10:58:15 < bilboquet> thanks i'm going to study your proposal
2015-11-30T10:58:40 < zyp> dongs, that's why I'm suggesting to use vbus to drive an nfet
2015-11-30T10:58:44 < dongs> rite
2015-11-30T10:58:51 < dongs> but that doesnt solve my i2c stuff :p
2015-11-30T10:58:55 < zyp> sure
2015-11-30T10:59:04 < dongs> do you think you can make it work @ 72mhz without overclock? :)
2015-11-30T11:00:00 < zyp> idk, probably not without some sort of hardware support
2015-11-30T11:00:04 < dongs> :|
2015-11-30T11:00:16 < zyp> what was wrong with f0 in wildcard mode anyway?
2015-11-30T11:00:22 < dongs> what i said
2015-11-30T11:00:31 < jpa-> what does it matter if it acks some extra crap?
2015-11-30T11:00:32 < dongs> the mask can ony do 2,4,8,16 etc
2015-11-30T11:00:32 < zyp> what did you say?
2015-11-30T11:00:46 < zyp> yeah?
2015-11-30T11:00:58 < dongs> but my source device is quiering 0x29<<1 to 0x29+16
2015-11-30T11:01:07 < dongs> and
2015-11-30T11:01:15 < zyp> oh, it's some autoprobing shit?
2015-11-30T11:01:17 < dongs> while it will only WRITE 4, 6, 8, 12
2015-11-30T11:01:21 < dongs> it will read all 16
2015-11-30T11:01:21 < dongs> yes
2015-11-30T11:01:30 < dongs> and make a map thinking there's 16 things connected
2015-11-30T11:01:46 < zyp> ah, makes sense
2015-11-30T11:01:49 < jpa-> keep track of the probed address and disable address enable for next probe
2015-11-30T11:02:00 < jpa-> if it always probes in same order :P
2015-11-30T11:02:04 < dongs> it does
2015-11-30T11:02:36 < zyp> so, how many ids do you need to support?
2015-11-30T11:03:12 < dongs> BASE_ADDRESS    0x52 (include R/W bit), 0x29 without. The modes are 4,6,8,12,16 devices
2015-11-30T11:03:31 < dongs> so 0x29..0x2D in 4 device mdoe
2015-11-30T11:04:07 < dongs> jpa, disable catchall mask on read - 1?
2015-11-30T11:04:29 < dongs> the writes/reads are staggered too
2015-11-30T11:04:35 < dongs> like...
2015-11-30T11:04:46 < dongs> R1 W1 W2 W3 W4 R2 W1 W2 W3 etc.
2015-11-30T11:05:07 < dongs> with zyps software i2c its super simple i can just reject an address properly
2015-11-30T11:06:07 < zyp> problem is that you only have half a bit-time after reading to determine whether to assert ack or not
2015-11-30T11:06:17 < dongs> sure
2015-11-30T11:06:23 < dongs> the logic there is not difficult
2015-11-30T11:06:49 < zyp> what's the speed of the bus?
2015-11-30T11:06:55 < dongs> 200k
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2015-11-30T11:07:41 < zyp> so bit time is 5ms, i.e. 360 cycles
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2015-11-30T11:08:31 < zyp> might be possible to get the existing code to go faster, if you find and optimize the hotspots
2015-11-30T11:08:54 < zyp> are you using it polling or interrupt driven?
2015-11-30T11:09:03 < dongs> i forget.
2015-11-30T11:09:06 < dongs> im trying to find the fucking code
2015-11-30T11:10:55 < dongs> hmm
2015-11-30T11:12:01 < zyp> interrupt would have a ton of overhead, since interrupt entry/exit is slow compared to how often it would fire
2015-11-30T11:12:23 < dongs> hm do you still have those sores
2015-11-30T11:12:26 < zyp> I assume this is a dedicated chip that does nothing else than respond to i2c?
2015-11-30T11:12:27 < dongs> i dont even see where the shit is wtf
2015-11-30T11:12:29 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-30T11:12:34 < zyp> what do you do with the data read/written?
2015-11-30T11:12:39 < zyp> reply fixed and drop written?
2015-11-30T11:12:41 < dongs> just copy to TIM->CCR
2015-11-30T11:12:46 < zyp> ah
2015-11-30T11:12:47 < dongs> more or less
2015-11-30T11:12:56 < dongs> yeah reply fixed
2015-11-30T11:12:57 < zyp> you're emulating i2c escs? :p
2015-11-30T11:13:08 < dongs> yea man, we had this convo like 3 years ago
2015-11-30T11:13:22 < zyp> yeah, but I don't fucking remember :p
2015-11-30T11:13:34 < dongs> i dont remember wehre your *code* is which is much worse
2015-11-30T11:14:17 < zyp> doesn't look like I mailed it to you
2015-11-30T11:14:31 < zyp> it's probably in a pastebin somewhere
2015-11-30T11:15:34 < dongs> i never delete anything on bcas
2015-11-30T11:16:05 < zyp> it's on mine
2015-11-30T11:16:07 < zyp> found in log
2015-11-30T11:16:08 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/9Hw48
2015-11-30T11:16:09 < dongs> yay
2015-11-30T11:16:17 < zyp> not sure if that's final
2015-11-30T11:16:52 < dongs> its on bcas too
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2015-11-30T11:17:07 < dongs> 2012-12-08 22:53 DiFRb481.html
2015-11-30T11:17:24 < dongs> nice
2015-11-30T11:17:26 < dongs> that includes my code
2015-11-30T11:18:35 < dongs> i could probly get rid of those EXTI_Get stdperiph calls
2015-11-30T11:18:37 < dongs> to speed that shit way up
2015-11-30T11:18:44 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/gXvHL
2015-11-30T11:18:49 < zyp> I told you to do this instead
2015-11-30T11:18:57 < dongs> ah yeah
2015-11-30T11:19:00 < dongs> thats what i ended up with
2015-11-30T11:19:31 < dongs> that looks famiililar
2015-11-30T11:19:55 < zyp> hmm, how to speed up
2015-11-30T11:20:17 < zyp> obviously if you can't stretch, remove the set_scl calls
2015-11-30T11:20:27 < dongs> yes no stretch
2015-11-30T11:21:53 < zyp> maybe get rid of the context struct and rewrite the callbacks to plain calls
2015-11-30T11:22:21 < zyp> should save a few cycles
2015-11-30T11:22:30 < dongs> woot
2015-11-30T11:22:33 < dongs> i found the latest codez
2015-11-30T11:22:38 < dongs> findstr /s ftw
2015-11-30T11:22:42 < dongs> on a SSD
2015-11-30T11:23:17 < dongs> haha
2015-11-30T11:23:20 < dongs> my addr_cb is huge
2015-11-30T11:23:43 < zyp> that might be the bottleneck
2015-11-30T11:23:49 < dongs> check that out
2015-11-30T11:23:49 < dongs> lo
2015-11-30T11:26:19 < zyp> doesn't look too huge
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2015-11-30T11:26:52 < dongs> ah hm right. its just one main if.
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2015-11-30T11:27:55 < zyp> how much did you say you overclocked it?
2015-11-30T11:28:02 < dongs> it reliably worked @ 128
2015-11-30T11:28:31 < zyp> so you're almost there, just not completely
2015-11-30T11:28:40 < dongs> acutalyl 120 igeuss
2015-11-30T11:28:48 < dongs> RCC->CFGR |= (uint32_t)(RCC_CFGR_PLLSRC_HSE | RCC_CFGR_PLLMULL10);
2015-11-30T11:28:51 < dongs> 12mhz * 10
2015-11-30T11:29:02 < zyp> i.e. if you could shave off half the cycles, you should be good at 72
2015-11-30T11:29:19 < zyp> question is where the bottleneck is
2015-11-30T11:29:41 < zyp> I guess an LA would tell you where to start looking
2015-11-30T11:31:49 < zyp> i.e. look how long time it takes from each falling scl until sda changes
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2015-11-30T11:34:49 < zyp> oh, and we can move the calls to addr_cb and write_cb to the writing edge
2015-11-30T11:35:00 < zyp> rising edge
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2015-11-30T11:35:15 < dongs> yeah
2015-11-30T11:35:22 < zyp> just have to save the response until falling edge
2015-11-30T11:35:24 < dongs> i gotta get that hardware hooked up again and start checking
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2015-11-30T11:36:21 < dongs> are you saying i can dump stretch clock commented lines?
2015-11-30T11:37:06 < zyp> yeah, there's no point in driving scl if master doesn't support stretching clock
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2015-11-30T11:41:02 < dongs> i could probly mark set_scl/sda as inlines
2015-11-30T11:41:20 < dongs> and now im doing led debugging in there, that can go too
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2015-11-30T11:41:52 < dongs> or evne replace with a macro
2015-11-30T11:42:07 < dongs> SDA_HIGH foo->BSRR,,, SDA_LOW foo->BRR etc.
2015-11-30T11:43:59 < zyp> you can probably replace http://paste.jvnv.net/view/yKwNL with http://paste.jvnv.net/view/1I6RG
2015-11-30T11:44:29 < zyp> that should in theory give you double the time to execute addr_cb and write_cb, so it might be enough by itself
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2015-11-30T11:56:42 < dongs> i see, you call addr_cb and leave early, then check again for state
2015-11-30T11:56:46 < dongs> how does that make it any different?
2015-11-30T11:57:00 < dongs> oh, !scl
2015-11-30T11:57:05 < dongs> you move the reste of stuff until s cl goes low
2015-11-30T11:57:22 < dongs> ah , addr_cb on leading edge
2015-11-30T11:57:25 < dongs> and the rest on falling
2015-11-30T11:57:26 < dongs> mhm
2015-11-30T11:58:04 < zyp> yep
2015-11-30T11:58:08 < zyp> i.e. half a bit early
2015-11-30T11:58:53 < zyp> might want to do something similar with read as well
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2015-11-30T12:13:14 < dongs> ok updated
2015-11-30T12:13:20 < dongs> testing will ahve to wait till i dig that hardware out again
2015-11-30T12:13:22 < dongs> i think i know where it is
2015-11-30T12:14:29 < dongs> maybe i could makie just fat enough to run on GD32 @ 84mhz
2015-11-30T12:14:32 < dongs> fast
2015-11-30T12:14:37 < dongs> and give me a usecase for that chip
2015-11-30T12:14:37 < dongs> huhu
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2015-11-30T12:18:12 < dongs> building Micro Drone has been like building a car with so many parts. We're based in UK where the design is conceptualised (I lead this) and our suppliers and engineers are based all over the world from London, San Francisco, Berlin, Taiwan and Shenzhen.
2015-11-30T12:18:23 < dongs> translation: we outsourced everything and now we're almost fucked
2015-11-30T12:18:53 < dongs> anyone else  thinks this?
2015-11-30T12:22:46 < dongs> attn R2COM http://i.imgur.com/BiIGbld.png
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2015-11-30T12:32:07 < bilboquet> hi again, (about wkup) do you think it it's enough ? not need the diode? thanks     http://i.imgur.com/fEc5CKs.jpg
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2015-11-30T12:44:21 < Fleck> http://www.peterpapp.com/fun/cap.jpg :)
2015-11-30T12:45:16 < Roklobsta> wow.  surely it'd feel as light as a dried out cap. for it's size.
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2015-11-30T12:52:10 < celeron55> should have put the right mixture of paper and sand in the remaining space
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2015-11-30T13:18:41 < dongs> Aide more like a ids
2015-11-30T13:18:47 < dongs> bilboquet: loks slightly more legit
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2015-11-30T13:19:08 < dongs> no you dont need diode
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2015-11-30T13:20:29 < bilboquet> thanks you very much
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2015-11-30T13:21:44 < ReadError> 99million?
2015-11-30T13:21:51 < ReadError> pls tell me thats some kind of joke
2015-11-30T13:22:03 < dongs> nope
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2015-11-30T13:22:10 < dongs> super serious
2015-11-30T13:24:59 < ReadError> holy shit
2015-11-30T13:25:07 < ReadError> candy crush was making over 1 mil a day
2015-11-30T13:25:19 < ReadError> and was bought for 6 *billion*
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2015-11-30T14:37:33 < dongs> cocks
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2015-11-30T16:16:23 < MightyPork> hi anyone got experiemce implementing VISA/SCPI with USART, or where could I ask? Trying to make my signal generator SCPI enabled
2015-11-30T16:18:14 < karlp> MightyPork: https://github.com/karlp/discotmc has scpi,
2015-11-30T16:18:38 < karlp> it's unfinished, but the general gist is that https://github.com/j123b567/scpi-parser cross compiles well and is getting nice updates
2015-11-30T16:19:12 < karlp> my project uses the old version of the the j123b567 library, the new updates all look good and helpful.
2015-11-30T16:20:17 < MightyPork> thanks, I'll have a look. I have implemented some rudimentary parser but it's probably completely wrong
2015-11-30T16:20:26 < karlp> (I was making a signal gen too, just never finished it)
2015-11-30T16:20:31 < MightyPork> also not sure what to do with error messages
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2015-11-30T16:20:55 < karlp> what error messages?
2015-11-30T16:21:06 < karlp> SCPI handles all that for you.
2015-11-30T16:21:12 < karlp> if you mean parse error stuff,
2015-11-30T16:21:29 < karlp> use that j123b567 library, it was awesome when you got it up.
2015-11-30T16:21:42 < MightyPork> well I've made a state-machine parser that parses the bytes as they come in
2015-11-30T16:22:07 < MightyPork> but not sure when or how to send the error back. it should send the service request on error, but it's not GPIB..
2015-11-30T16:22:44 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/discotmc/blob/master/device/core/dscpi.c#L39
2015-11-30T16:22:56 < karlp> scpi has built in handling for reading out errors
2015-11-30T16:23:52 < karlp> I really should try and finish that project up.
2015-11-30T16:23:56 < karlp> or help you finish yours :)
2015-11-30T16:24:08 < karlp> what is yours doing beyond just "function gen" ?
2015-11-30T16:24:22 < MightyPork> oh, okay so that's the reading. Is there some way to indicate the error condition after receiving the command?
2015-11-30T16:24:36 < MightyPork> well I want to do ARB
2015-11-30T16:24:41 < MightyPork> with block transfer
2015-11-30T16:25:00 < MightyPork> it's all working, just without the SCPI yet
2015-11-30T16:26:09 < karlp> yeah, look over the j123 shit examles and fiddle around more int he code, I can't remember all the details yet.
2015-11-30T16:26:41 < karlp> I was running into problems with block data loading, the #asdfasdfads shits and my lack of understanding of how to drive USB at got frustrated and moved on.
2015-11-30T16:26:53 < karlp> I should have a better chance of it now.
2015-11-30T16:27:16 < karlp> I could only do arbitrary loads of pattner buffers smaller than a usb transfer
2015-11-30T16:28:15 < MightyPork> well I have that working, but my code probably wont help you much, if you dont use libopencm3
2015-11-30T16:28:35 < MightyPork> currently it goes through hardware usart, since I got a Nucleo that acts as FTDI basically
2015-11-30T16:28:48 < karlp> you clearly hven't even opened up the first link I sent then :)
2015-11-30T16:29:14 < karlp> I'm the same karlp you have spoken to in #libopencm3...
2015-11-30T16:29:20 < MightyPork> oh right I didnt notice that ;)
2015-11-30T16:31:20 < MightyPork> want to see my comm code? It's not open curently. I have some abstraction over the virtual comport and hardware usart
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2015-11-30T16:39:07 < MightyPork> basically the idea is to receive from USB one packet at a time and loop usbd_poll until it's all sent/received
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2015-11-30T17:32:17 < Getty822> this is funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_on_hold
2015-11-30T17:32:33 < Getty822> "Accidentally" invented
2015-11-30T17:33:10 < pid> lel
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2015-11-30T17:37:24 < MightyPork> the worst invention in existence. had the same loop playing for 20 minutes recently
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2015-11-30T17:41:56 < Getty822> MightyPork: german telecom had one time a very common german earworm song
2015-11-30T17:42:11 < Getty822> everyone knew that song, and everyone had to call telekom at some point and wait for that sound...
2015-11-30T17:42:29 < Getty822> the earworm song is now dead, everybody from that time gets a vietnam like syndrome hearing it again
2015-11-30T17:42:57 < MightyPork> maybe they were trying to deter people from unneccessary calls xD
2015-11-30T17:43:15 < Getty822> COULD BE!
2015-11-30T17:43:19 < Getty822> it totally smelled like
2015-11-30T17:43:28 < Getty822> i try to remember the name of the song, my brain actually voided it
2015-11-30T17:43:48 < Getty822> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGOx4oG3Q3g THIS THIS THIS is the song
2015-11-30T17:44:07 < Getty822> (but not with the singing and everything, it was just an instrumental version with good midi instruments)
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2015-11-30T17:50:18 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/4Q8HSNw.gifv
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2015-11-30T17:56:41 < Laurenceb_> omg assburgerz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN5mr9BPNQ4&feature=ye
2015-11-30T17:59:38 < mitrax> okaaay
2015-11-30T17:59:41 < mitrax> that was scary
2015-11-30T18:00:07 < pid> MightyPork: on my asterisk server there is a local radio station playing when on hold :-D
2015-11-30T18:01:34 < Getty822> pid: in crazy germany you would have to actually pay for that ;)
2015-11-30T18:04:03 < jpa-> here also
2015-11-30T18:07:54 < pid> here also if i were using it for "commercial" purposes
2015-11-30T18:08:15 < karlp> MightyPork: oh, you're doing usb CDC-ACM? I was trying to do proper USB-TMC.
2015-11-30T18:08:25 < pid> but it's on a kind of internal/family/friends server so it might come without. :P
2015-11-30T18:08:56 < MightyPork> karlp: yea cdc acm, based on the ocm3 example. I'm too big a noob in USB to try to do it properly
2015-11-30T18:10:17 < MightyPork> what could work also is a fake mass storage where you'd copy your waveform as a file, that'd be kind of cool
2015-11-30T18:10:37 < MightyPork> (that's how STM32 do the mbed integration in Nucleos)
2015-11-30T18:11:12 < MightyPork> but it's not SCPI anymore ..
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2015-11-30T18:11:24 < Taxman> re
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2015-11-30T18:14:05 < karlp> yeah, I had no interest in trying to do cdc-acm, there's a perfectly reasonable USB-TMC class with all the support you're meant to have for the error channels and notifications and so on.
2015-11-30T18:15:18 < MightyPork> I wish USB wasn't so complicated... all those structs ..
2015-11-30T18:18:19 < emeb> karlp: do most popular OSes have TMC drivers built in?
2015-11-30T18:18:24 < jpa-> zyp makes usb look easy ;)
2015-11-30T18:19:08 < karlp> emeb: don't know honestly, linux does, but it's fairlyt unloved I believe.  I was tyring it out withsome python libs that handle a lot of it.
2015-11-30T18:19:34 < karlp> the usbtmc class is just a few thin wrappers to handle the notifications from gpib so it's not "usb serial + custom junk"
2015-11-30T18:19:48 < MightyPork> jpa-: what is zyp? when I googled it I got just some bike sharing company
2015-11-30T18:19:57 < jpa-> that's pretty much it
2015-11-30T18:20:03  * zyp is zyp
2015-11-30T18:20:04 < jpa-> it's ebike sharing now, though
2015-11-30T18:20:12 < emeb> karlp: that'd be my main concern - if you're going to wind up using libusb + wrapper code anyway.
2015-11-30T18:20:42 < karlp> well, the libusb wrapper code at least gets proper notifications in a standard manner, and standard bulk transfers and all that,
2015-11-30T18:20:57 < karlp> instead of "we invented all this extra shit on something sort of like usb serial"
2015-11-30T18:21:05 < jpa-> using nice usb classes is a lot less nice when you have to make both ends yourself anyway :)
2015-11-30T18:21:11 < karlp> but yeah, quite possibly just wanking and wasting time.
2015-11-30T18:21:17 < emeb> jpa-: exactly
2015-11-30T18:21:19 < zyp> jpa-, like DFU?
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2015-11-30T18:21:27 < karlp> oh, I dind't have to make the client end myself.
2015-11-30T18:21:32 < karlp> client/host end
2015-11-30T18:21:43 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, except the one time i used DFU i actually didn't have to do either end! :)
2015-11-30T18:21:43 < zyp> then you end up with everybody making their own incompatible implementations as well
2015-11-30T18:21:47 < karlp> just that the host end wasn't built into linux, it was user space code that was already available.
2015-11-30T18:22:00 < emeb> I wonder if the commercial HP-IB interfaces use that class?
2015-11-30T18:22:07 < karlp> librevisa and friends would work with my device, but the scpi dialects are all custom anyway.
2015-11-30T18:22:15 < emeb> IEEE-488 dongles from NI, etc...
2015-11-30T18:22:30 < karlp> which makes the use of a common class to transfer your private scpi junk kinda obtuse.
2015-11-30T18:22:43 < emeb> usually you  have to install huge drivers & libs from NI on windows machines anyway.
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2015-11-30T18:25:38 < MightyPork> so do you think it could even work if I make a "sort of scpi" with usb serial? It'll have to work with windows..
2015-11-30T18:26:12 < jpa-> operating system is not an issue
2015-11-30T18:26:25 < MightyPork> well if the NI visa will understand it
2015-11-30T18:26:37 < jpa-> but what software would it have to work with? if custom, of course you can even pipe it over mass storage ;)
2015-11-30T18:26:51 < zyp> or MIDI
2015-11-30T18:26:53 < jpa-> ah, i don't know anything about NI visa
2015-11-30T18:27:10 < zyp> guy I know made a bootloader over USB MIDI sysex calls
2015-11-30T18:27:16 < MightyPork> it's some junk we're writing in labwindows/CVI in the lab
2015-11-30T18:27:19 < jpa-> zyp: or printer, like that one hackaday project "arduino bootloader by printing .hex files"
2015-11-30T18:27:24 < zyp> :)
2015-11-30T18:27:39 < MightyPork> it's a uni project.. no real practical use, otherwise I wouldnt even bother with scpi
2015-11-30T18:27:40 < zyp> usb audio, software distributed as sound files
2015-11-30T18:28:22 < karlp> MightyPork: well, scpi is nice in that if you write down the commands you support, people cna write all sorts of other tools that have scpi support to drive your device
2015-11-30T18:28:55 < karlp> if you go and make your own custom usb protocol, you have to provide source or _excellent_ documentation on how to use it, or your device goes tot the junk heap as soon as your client software stops being supported
2015-11-30T18:28:56 < MightyPork> Yea, I know the benefits. But if it's for my home use, I would make custom easier protocol and a java client or something
2015-11-30T18:29:10 < karlp> totally, just don't ever lose the code :)
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2015-11-30T18:45:18 < emeb> zyp: there's a synth module mfg that distributes software updates as qpsk modulated audio.
2015-11-30T18:45:50 < emeb> play file into one of the analog inputs to flash new firmware.
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2015-11-30T18:50:15 < zyp> :)
2015-11-30T18:50:22 < zyp> I think you've mentioned it before
2015-11-30T18:50:30 < zyp> fun concept
2015-11-30T18:52:39 < karlp> my washing machine plays a sound to a smartphone app for diagnostics...
2015-11-30T18:53:15 < emeb> R2D2
2015-11-30T18:53:58 < Laurenceb_> thats kind of clever
2015-11-30T18:54:02 < Laurenceb_> very low cost
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2015-11-30T19:07:53 < emeb> I was reading the other day about some customer tracking apps that run in background on the smartphone, listening for ultrasonic data bursts from things like TV commercials
2015-11-30T19:08:14 < emeb> so the phone reports back to its master that you just saw commercial X.
2015-11-30T19:13:12 < BrainDamage> it has limited potential tough, the spyware has to constantly run and hook on the mic
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2015-11-30T20:43:29 < Steffanx> emeb they use the same mechanism to sync live tv shows with apps here
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2015-11-30T21:08:04 < kakimir> soon you may not even know your phone spies on you
2015-11-30T21:08:54 < kakimir> doesnt affect battery life as radios get even better to send out shorter burst of more condenced data
2015-11-30T21:09:40 < kakimir> and facebook consumes 10x that
2015-11-30T21:10:57 < kakimir> what i find diaturbing is that phone doesnt show any way if front camera is active
2015-11-30T21:11:13 < kakimir> or if mic is active
2015-11-30T21:12:28 < kakimir> fixed hardware showing powered amplifier or camera voltage switched on
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2015-11-30T21:25:29 < Fleck> kakimir: make phone with phisical mic and cam switches :D
2015-11-30T21:27:11 < rewolff> On Android the mic is now almost always on: The "OK GOOGLE" feature can now be configured to work whenever the screen is on.
2015-11-30T21:27:34 < rewolff> (and of course the default is "on").
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2015-11-30T21:46:55 < zyp> was default off here
2015-11-30T21:47:21 < zyp> they still don't support «ok google» for norwegian (although voice search works just fine)
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2015-11-30T21:49:00 < Steffanx> never tried it on my android phone
2015-11-30T21:49:59 < zyp> it sounds kinda silly
2015-11-30T21:50:18 < zyp> I might have considered using it if you could customise the phrase
2015-11-30T21:50:36 < zyp> «hey asshole» comes to mind
2015-11-30T21:50:43 < gxti> ok dickbutt
2015-11-30T21:51:05 < Taxman> "fuck you". "this operation is not possible"
2015-11-30T21:51:11 < gxti> i'm not sure exactly how it works but it's effectively trained to do just that one thing
2015-11-30T21:51:31 < zyp> yeah, I know
2015-11-30T21:52:10 < gxti> i think amazon echo actually uploads audio to get help decoding it though
2015-11-30T21:52:22 < gxti> it's all very silly
2015-11-30T21:52:41 < zyp> is it?
2015-11-30T21:52:59 < zyp> I like voice search, it's convenient as fuck
2015-11-30T21:53:17 < zyp> especially in the car, with maps running
2015-11-30T21:53:43 < gxti> it's handy in that context yes. i'd rather just have a keyboard.
2015-11-30T21:53:46 < zyp> shouting the destination you want to navigate to actually works pretty well
2015-11-30T21:53:57 < zyp> why not both?
2015-11-30T21:54:13 < zyp> I mean, you can use the keyboard if you want to
2015-11-30T21:54:46 < Steffanx> maybe i should give it a try. The google maps voice stuff.
2015-11-30T21:55:19 < zyp> it's convenient as fuck whenever you don't have both hands free to type something
2015-11-30T21:56:31 < Steffanx> Not that its hard to stop for a few minutes.
2015-11-30T21:57:22 < zyp> when driving? just to set a destination?
2015-11-30T21:58:22 < zyp> I do that if I have to browse the map to figure out where I want to go
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2015-11-30T21:58:50 < zyp> but really, my experience with voice search is that it understands what I'm saying in 95% of the cases or so
2015-11-30T21:59:11 < zyp> i.e. it fucking works, why would you use something less convenient then?
2015-11-30T21:59:25 < Steffanx> You're using the default google maps?
2015-11-30T21:59:36 < zyp> yes?
2015-11-30T22:00:17 < zyp> you can even do multiple search languages
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2015-11-30T22:00:43 < zyp> two works perfectly fine, with three it sometimes have problems figuring out which you used
2015-11-30T22:01:41 < Steffanx> i must say, it indeed works surprisingly well
2015-11-30T22:02:44 < zyp> I'm thinking about buying a new car next year, I like that it'll probably come with android auto
2015-11-30T22:03:58 < zyp> which is pretty cool, because then you get gmaps on the built in navigation shit
2015-11-30T22:04:19 < Steffanx> I dislike built-in stuff because it tends to be so horrible slow.
2015-11-30T22:04:41 < zyp> and outdated (or with expensive upgrades) or just plain dumb
2015-11-30T22:05:08 < zyp> gmaps gets updates fast and has realtime traffic data
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2015-11-30T22:18:16 < ds2> can the DMA on a F0 feed an SPI slave peripheral?
2015-11-30T22:18:55 < emeb> sure
2015-11-30T22:19:28 < emeb> I've got plenty of code that does that. Either SPI or I2S
2015-11-30T22:20:20 < ds2> trying to understand a posting on the beaglelist... summary: sensors on a F0 gathering 220 bytes of data every 1mS and need to get it into the Beagle. Goes on to talk about PRU
2015-11-30T22:20:41 < ds2> it sounds like a SPI slave on the F0 and plain old SPI will work just fine
2015-11-30T22:21:35 < emeb> Mostly I use master mode, but since DMA just keys off the transmit buffer empty (or receive buffer full) the DMA shouldn't care if it's master or slave.
2015-11-30T22:22:17 < ds2> having played with slave mode on a few devices, I'd hesitate to jump to that conclusion
2015-11-30T22:23:33 < emeb> I've got auxiliary I2S ports that run in slave mode w/ DMA just fine. Not exactly the same (same peripheral, different mode).
2015-11-30T22:24:04 < ds2> oh nice
2015-11-30T22:24:13 < ds2> none of that silly Mc*** crap
2015-11-30T22:24:25 < emeb> Yeah. Much more sane.
2015-11-30T22:24:35 < ds2> that's the first device that I have seen that unifies SPI and I2S onto the same hw
2015-11-30T22:24:46 < emeb> the STM32 SAI port is fairly nice too.
2015-11-30T22:25:10 < emeb> the Atmel SAMDxx parts have a fully unified serial peripheral that does UART / SPI / I2C / I2S
2015-11-30T22:25:32 < emeb> They give you a few of those and you can set them up any way you want.
2015-11-30T22:25:46 < ds2> which SAMD? IIRC, the D20 doesn't do I2S
2015-11-30T22:26:16 < emeb> I was looking at the SAMD11
2015-11-30T22:26:16 < ds2> plenty of chips combine UART/SPI/I2C
2015-11-30T22:26:34 < ds2> what hate about atmel is they do not use the same hw blocks between their chips
2015-11-30T22:26:54 < emeb> Oh I looked at their clocking - it's so generic that it's hard to figure out.
2015-11-30T22:27:14 < emeb> Especially since the docs don't tell you up-front what all the clockgens hook to.
2015-11-30T22:27:29 < emeb> you have to dig that out of the nooks & crannies of the ref manual
2015-11-30T22:28:12 < ds2> what I haven't figured out is why is SW required to do all those syncs for register access
2015-11-30T22:28:16 < ds2> at least on the D20
2015-11-30T22:28:33 < emeb> I guess SERCOM doesn't do I2S.
2015-11-30T22:28:41 < emeb> derp
2015-11-30T22:29:16 < ds2> thanks to economics of PCB mfg, I have a pile of D20 PCBs (DIP24 sized) lying around
2015-11-30T22:30:33 < emeb> I got some of the SOIC parts a while back. Wasted some time trying to get code running w/o success.
2015-11-30T22:31:03 < emeb> the hardware setup was difficult to grok and I didn't have any decent examples.
2015-11-30T22:31:24 < ds2> bare or using their frame work (ASF?) ?
2015-11-30T22:31:28 < emeb> bare
2015-11-30T22:31:58 < ds2> oh my
2015-11-30T22:32:02 < emeb> dug around in their library code but just got confused.
2015-11-30T22:32:32 < emeb> STM32 spoiled me - so fsking simple to use.
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2015-11-30T22:33:16 < ds2> mod'ing their examples worked for me
2015-11-30T22:33:47 < emeb> Yeah - If I was using their IDE & canned examples it probably would have been a better experience.
2015-11-30T22:33:49 < ds2> the xtal issues on the stm32 kind of eliminated them
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2015-11-30T22:34:02 < emeb> what issues?
2015-11-30T22:34:10 < ds2> I was using commandline makefiles
2015-11-30T22:34:22 < ds2> IIRC - the clock on te STM32 wasn't accurate w/o a xtal
2015-11-30T22:34:50 < emeb> That's true of most MCUs, no?
2015-11-30T22:35:08 < emeb> Some are factory trimmed better than others tho.
2015-11-30T22:35:30 < ds2> the RC on the SAMD20 is suppose to be better
2015-11-30T22:35:58 < ds2> the original application was to same data regularly from sensors
2015-11-30T22:37:59 < ds2> sample
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2015-11-30T23:07:06 < karlp> ds2: so how good is the samd20 clock then?
2015-11-30T23:11:47 < kakimir> yo bubba
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2015-11-30T23:28:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jOJl8gRPyQ how arm chip was born
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2015-11-30T23:30:10 < kakimir> so first arm chip was accidentally run first thru protection diodes
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